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 @Xorpad, So it is a lost case phone. 😱🙊
 @Xorpad, Let`s forget this **** LG so restricted smartphone. 😡😡😡 … Let it died.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/nEnrzH9o/file_1619.mp4
 I mean.. udev rule names doesn't matter
 Unless lxc-android service is set to fail if it can't find udev rules
 Which it is not
 @bhushanshah, path is totally different
 Well.. let me explain
 Before starting container it will copy udev rules from /usr/lib/lxc-android/ to /etc/udev/rules.d
 Now it doesn't really matter what file in etc... is named
 Be it 42-unicorn.rules or 70-pme.rules
 Plasma Mobile have udev rules in /lib/udev/rules.d/
 Which is also a search path for udev rules
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/K8b0jNeR/file_1621.mp4
 😛
 oh
 well it doesn't work for me either way
 🙈
 🤣
 good morning by the way
 Good morning
 I haven't slept yet because of doing a StarWars marathon but good morning to all who did :)
 https://gitlab.com/rafalense/plus-messenger
 @rchs0, Here is 'Plus Messenger' source code. … It is a Telegram client. … It could inspired UBports Telegram app to have Plus Messenger features.
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 @Flohack is it possible to add wiki page for each device supported or have UT work?
 @Walid, You mean with a summary of features that work fully?
 @Stereofont, yes, with guide how to build, install, features, current state, bugs,...  for each device
[10:00] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
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 @Walid, I will talk with my guys. Basically we got the old, a bit outdated devices.ubports.com and the integrated page in the homepage. But this is not good for community builds, we need smth more flexible yes
 There is exciting and there is useful. It is necessary to have both but it is human to be more drawn by exciting
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 Heyo!
 Thanks for the welcome. 😁
 Thanks for joining :D
 You're welcome, I've been lurking around for quite a long time now.
 Lurking is fun :P I do it all the time, hah
 Something like 2 years on the OnePlus forum
 @Anghirrim, Woah, nice!
 Recently, bought a second hand Nexus 5 for one of my family membres so finally tried out UbPorts
 But now wanted to give it a try on my OPO
 (I did at the early UbPorts stages, but it was still far from being usable 😂)
 Hopefully that goes well! I don't have a UBPorts compatible device yet, so I haven't tried it. I did have one of the Aquaris Ubuntu Phone devices at one point though.
 You should. Even if not for UbPorts, those "open devices" are nice to try out things
 Absolutely. I'm looking forward to forking some cash over for the Librem 5.
 I tested Plasma Desktop, UbPorts, Sailfish OS and numerous Android roms
 Even if I don't absolutely love it, I'd be happy to support it more
 @Anghirrim, I really want to try the Plasma mobile stuff. The concept looks awesome
 Try plasma mobile first....
 It's not that usable for now
 But agree the concept is apealing
 Gotta have fun with it, if nothing else! :)
 At least on the Nexus 5 I tried, it was laggy and froze all the time.
 Don't know, this might come from the firmware I had on it
 But that's always good to see new things coming iut
 @Anghirrim, Welcome. Sounds like you probably don't need the official welcome package 😎
 Lol no
 Et bonjour
 😁
 @Stereofont, I love the idea that we have this though 😆
 @Schyken, It has improved a lot since then. I managed with 4.5 as daily driver even then but now the UBport version is a lot more slick
 Halium as it matures may make one of the phones you have lying around a candidate
 @Schyken, Very interesting but very niche. I expect their market share of Linux phones to be about the same as their market share of Linux laptops
 @mariogrip 0.1.8 appimage detects my FP2, yay
 @Stereofont, This sounds awesome :D Halium does look cool, I've heard great things about how it's positively impacting UBPorts, and I'm definitely happy about that :D
 @popescu_sorin, Great. Maybe it will work for Markus too
 @Schyken, Phones without enough storage will never be suitable and there may be some hardware blocks but it looks a bit like a universal screwdriver
 @Stereofont, The only OEM I can think of is the Slimbook IIRC
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 @Anghirrim, OPO is running quite well afaik. I have an UT fired FP2 as daily device and its great
 @bastos777 FP2 stands for FairPhone 2?
 @Anghirrim, Only 2 things: … 1) before flashing, need to update to Android 5.1 or CM12.1 (you can find old archived build for that) … 2) Video recording and rotation have hiccups, and WiFi does not get remembered (or I am too stupid) =)
 Same soc yeah
 @Anghirrim, yes
 @Flohack, You mean downgrade to 5.1?
 @Flohack, That might be why the UbPorts windows installer said my phone was not supported, even if it found it as a A001
 I'm on Slim7
 @Anghirrim, There is a naming problem. They changed it to A001 for exports
 So, even if I use Snap, that won't change?
 I don't remember the details. Maybe fixed in the new appimage?
 We'll see.
 Hey,is that only me or the UbPorts website layout is buggy?
 It says it miss one file (under firefox 56, both desktop and mobile), as well as IE
 Ah.... Fixed now.
 The snap should look for either of two names but I don't know if it does
 Will try tonight then.
 I have Linux at home only
 bit off topicx if i upgrade to 17.10  unity7 is than removed  and phablet-tools also is not avaidable anymore?
 and ubuntu-ui-toolkit-* ?
 Lionelb how about CPT? Should it work?
 @delijati, Are you sure phablet-tool belong to Unity?
 @delijati, I think not straight out of repo. There was a vague suggestion of a UBports :ppa
 There is a 'force' fix but that doesn't sound nice 😨
 and unity7 ?
 is it still in the repo ?
 i kinda got used to it
 @Anghirrim, Climate Predictability Tool 😂
 Lol
 Sorry I wait to be educated on cpt by a guru
 No problem
 I'll find out
 @delijati, As I understand it, abandoned
 hmm so i need to get used to gnome ... again  ...
 unity8 is anyway no option currently ..
 and by upgrading probably my dev environment wont work or even better it wont exist anymore on my box :/
 What's the last LTS, 16.04?
 brr downgrading or a vm with 16.04 ... |-(
 @Stereofont, our hope for unity is still only here, correct?   … https://yunit.io/
 @wayneoutthere, no its unity8 not unity7 .. unity7 == usable vs. unity8 == on phone usable on desktop not really
 rrrright. thanks
 all my mind says is 'unity - where are you?  "
 @Stereofont, Nono, its minimum version ;)
 @Anghirrim, I must confess I also was not successful with UBports installer, used cpt then ;) - I got stock OPO with Cyanogen/Android 4.4, was very strange
 @Flohack What do you mean with your stock 4.4? CPT downgraded your phone?
 @Anghirrim, Nononono :)
 @wayneoutthere, No the hope for Unity7 is https://community.ubuntu.com/t/unity-7-continuation-call-for-developers-and-supporters/736
 My OPO from box was CM version equal to Android 4.4 - IN this case, first put CM/LOS whatever miknimum 12.1 on it
 Then, flash once more to  UT
 @alan_griffiths, very cool.
 wish I could do anything. it's a good fit for convergence and i sure miss it's classy feel
 thsi is OT so I'll stop for now thanks for info
 @alan_griffiths, oO nice i hope for something like that
 @alan_griffiths thanks for the link :)
 @Flohack Oh ok. It was surprising to me then. I'm already on Slimrom Nougat.
 With OOS 2.6 firlware
 That should be ok
 Side question, is there a Telegram app on UT?
 @Anghirrim, There is but it is not fully functional. Yuo cannot read super groups, such as this one. By using Web Telegram you can see Super groups.
 Ok. That's what I was not super fan of, last time I tried UT.
 Progress is being made on a Telegram app, so keep watching.
 @BrisPete, A beta fix is out now I think, courtesy of @flohack
 Great, seems the community is really active! Glad to see that
 And last time I tried to install some desktop apps like openoffice. But I failed to launch it, even if the install on terminal seemed ok.
 @Anghirrim, Those should be much smoother with 16.04
 Ok.
 Let me check the last news and try CPT
 @Anghirrim, Report back if you do. A learning exercise for everyone
 Fwd from JSJoubert: https://m.gsmarena.com/razer_phone_is_official_with_120hz_screen_8gb_of_ram_4000_mah_battery-news-28043.php
 Sure.
 As a phone delight this looks good
 Yep.
 But a bit large to me.
 Wow, two french guys here. Amazing
 Unless Lionel you're not french
 @JSJoubert, 120hz sounds like overkill. 60hz plenty
 @Anghirrim, Rare English Lionel 😎
 Lol yeah.
 Ooh. Not French either..
 120hz is really really nice, it's immediately noticable tbh
 6 generations remived when Catholics purged the protestants 😁
 @JSJoubert, You're not?
 South African.. But French Hugenote descended
 I agree the screen is overkill but allround specs is pretty decent for the estimated price
 Ah... Yeah.  I would really be curious to have it in hands, even though I don't pkay
 Play.
 It is living in Europe now and getting that alot. Many South Africans will have French/Dutch names
 @JSJoubert, No mini HDMI? But seriously,  this is off topic
 The estimated is 750 EUr and don't get much better specs for the price.
 @Stereofont, Didn't notice that though I prefer DP. Doesn't the latest versiom get better resolution at higher refresh rate throughput
 OT means 800 messages to catch up on rather than 300 😐
 Although I think I will have more of an issue supporting Razer I think. Not a fan of the way they do the periphals.. Requires always on to require use of some of the features. At least how I understand it so I have always ended up buying alternative products
 any news with rootfs @mariogrip ?
 Backing up my phone
 Will try out CPT soon. But it looks straightforward.
 Hi
 You just need to put your phone in download mode and select it from a drop list
 Hi
 *me awakens from slumber*
 Anyone knows how big is the system image that will be downloaded?
 @Anghirrim, For a core device? roughly 400MB, probably a bit more
 Ok great.
 @Flohack, Yep, for my OPO
 Thanks
 Ok guys, backup done. Rebooting in download mode, see you from the other side (I hope).
 @Anghirrim, Have at least 10 USB cables near …
 Any hints to install ubports to Nexus 5
 No device detected
 have you tried MTD?
 *MDT
 Well first check if adb and fastboot can see it
 adb devices or fastboot devices
 good point @Flohack
 I'm jumping the gun
 Yes, but boots on Android again
 :)
 let me start over... is the device oem unlocked and do you have usb debugging enabled?
 @Xorpad, In Developer Options
 the famous 6-rapid-presses on the ROM version ^^
 7😃
 when I did that on my friends phone he freaked out cause he thought I voided his warranty
 I was like, no this is a supported option
 it's just hidden because only developers need it
 lol
 I usually use the agresssive wifi to cellular handover and forced gpu rendering with msaa 4x and overlay acceleration in that menu along with the options related to flashing
 Make sure it is a data cable, not just a charging cable
 those options make the battery last longer on all my phones, except the agressive wifi to cell handover, which just keeps me from losing connectivity while it tried to use the wifi when I was in range but no longer am
 Hi, I had my BG E4.5 charged the whole night, but now it is at 35% and my phone is switched off. Any ideas? thanks
 @Juanxo, What OS is on your desktop or laptop?
 Ubuntu
 USB debugging is ok
 Maybe we need to add cpu governer configuration to all the kernels and add a setting in the settings menu that allows changing governers. We shoudl enable performance, conservative, and power save options, and if we want userspace to be able to tweak things userspace governer too
 @koni_raid, Don't assume that the reading is real. Could be a software error
 I could go through all the kernels and do that
 @Juanxo, Vanilla 16.04?
 but I don't know how to write usespace stuff yet for UT
 so someone would have to make the settings app support the option
 17.10
 17.10 has problems with repositories
 Can you install 16.04 on an old machine or USB live?
 Ok
 Yeah, but it was charged the whole night and used it very little
 I'll try later and see what happen s
 @koni_raid, I mean it may be 100% but saying 35%
 Now I've to leave
 @Juanxo, Please let us now how you get on
 ok, so the charging did not really work then
 Ok thanks
 @koni_raid, Maybe it did work but the battery app is giving you wrong information
 Very weird!
 Hem.... Back, but still on the same side
 CPT was stuck on "Downloading the OPO image"
 After quite some time I did check my network usage and it was at 0%. … Tried to download libreoffice from the net and usage went up.
 So I came to the conclusion that my Office Network might block the downloads somehow.
 At least to the UbPort servers.
 So luckily, only /data and /system were wipped. So I just had to restore a nandroid backup
 @Flohack, You are right i have the same issues with my OPO device
 https://mir-server.io/
 That is a good website.
 and them code iz on github https://github.com/MirServer
 @koni_raid, Not everything is perfect yet! BQ devices have some strange battery behaviour. If your phone lasts 36 hours, assume that it did reach 100%
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/moving-mir-to-github/1330
[15:17] <ehvolevi> hey, can i compress https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot in lzma? cuz the boot image is too large for boot partition (1mb in plus ca)
 @ehvolevi, To me it helped to disable unused drivers & modules from Kernel. But compression can be changed yes. This is a standard kernel functions, has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch
[15:23] <ehvolevi> well, it is uncompressed in boot.img :(
[15:26] <ehvolevi> well, I've set LZMA in wrong kernel config hehe :D
[15:35] <ehvolevi> do I need things like fixup-mountpoints in ubports-boot?
 No, but the data partition might not be found correctly
[15:36] <ehvolevi> hmm, i get reboots
 So... no, it's not found
[15:36] <ehvolevi> i need break=premount in cmdline as shown in readme?
 Yes, and then check out /dev/block to see if your data partition is in there
 It might be /dev/block or /dev itself
[15:37] <ehvolevi> ok, thanks for help
 For example, I put /dev/block/mmcblk0p54 in fixup-mountpoints but ubports-boot finds /dev/mmcblk0p54
[15:38] <ehvolevi> what?
[15:38] <ehvolevi> i need fixup-mountpoints?
 No
[15:38] <ehvolevi> okie
 You need to know the device node for the datapart, though
[15:39] <ehvolevi> why?
[15:39] <ehvolevi> isn't boot automatic?
 Because it's not getting mounted, and so your phone is bootlooping
[15:39] <ehvolevi> i need to set it in any boot?
[15:39] <ehvolevi> aww
 Do you have a fixup-mountpoints created?
 We can take the info from it
[15:41] <ehvolevi> yes i have
[15:41] <ehvolevi> im in telnet now
 Alright, anything in /dev/block?
[15:42] <ehvolevi> there are numbers, not mmcblk blocks
[15:42] <ehvolevi> but i found theyre symlinks to mmcblk blocks
 Alright, that's the problem
[15:43] <ehvolevi> why?
 So is the desired device in /dev itself/
 Because Ubuntu Touch expects to mount /dev/block/mmcblkXpY but it doesn't exist
[15:43] <ehvolevi> yes, but as 179:27, not mmcblk0p27
[15:44] <ehvolevi> and 179:27 is a symlink to mmcblk0p27
 Okay, so `/dev/mmcblk0p27` exists?
[15:44] <ehvolevi> yes, it exist, but it's not named "mmcblk0p27"
 Nowhere?
[15:45] <ehvolevi> no, it's named 179:27
[15:45] <ehvolevi> 179:27 -> ../mmcblk0p27
 That's really strange. Normally it at least appears as `/dev/mmcblk`
 Oh, okay, so that is a thing.
 Not a broken link, right?
[15:46] <ehvolevi> no
 Good
[15:46] <ehvolevi> well
[15:47] <ehvolevi>  /dev/mmcblk0p27 is present but not /dev/block/mmcblk0p27
 This is a hack, but edit `/device/.../rootdir/etc/fstab.qcom` and replace the `/data` source with `/dev/mmcblk0p27`
 We need to figure out how that's happening
[15:47] <ehvolevi> aww, ok
 Then rebuild ubports-boot and everything should be happier
[15:49] <ehvolevi> https://bpaste.net/show/3f0875f10c56 ?
 No, other way around. The first attribute, not the second one
[15:49] <ehvolevi> ah ok :D
[15:50] <ehvolevi> only data?
 Yep!
[15:50] <ehvolevi> good!
 I expect you'll hit an issue where the device reboots itself safely about 30 seconds after booting, but let's watch
[15:51] <ehvolevi> after setting the cmdline flag i didn't get reboots
 weeeee
 Do you get ssh to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:52] <ehvolevi> no :/
[15:53] <ehvolevi> just telnet
 Ah, panic handler
[15:53] <ehvolevi> where should data be mounted?
 It should be mounted at /tmpmount and you should have ubuntu.img mounted at /root
 If either failed, we have our problem. :)
 Oh, did you remove `break=` yet?
[15:55] <ehvolevi> no i havent removed it
 Ah, yeah. Do that.
 And we'll see if it boots
[15:56] <ehvolevi> okie
[15:56] <ehvolevi> also, does ubport-boot manage fstab? because it's in system.img ramdisk
 There's a script in the ubports-boot build that embeds the data partition
[15:57] <ehvolevi> with fstab?
 Upstart handles the fstab after we've broken out of the initrd
[15:58] <ehvolevi> aww, ok
 The only thing that ubports-boot cares about is the data partition. And after Upstart starts up (heh), we should have /dev/block in place correctly
[15:59] <ehvolevi> then, it's data the problem hehe
 Is it bootlooping again?
[15:59] <ehvolevi> no
 yay
[15:59] <ehvolevi> now i have the interface, but no ssh
[16:00] <ehvolevi> nor telnet. this means we're a step forward :D
 Indeed.
 Oh, ssh didn't enable. oopsies!
[16:00] <ehvolevi> ouch
 Can you link the rootstock script you used to install?
[16:01] <ehvolevi> well, i used a strange stuff, i mean i modified it a lot in pieces :D
[16:01] <ehvolevi> https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng/ this is the base
 ah, default branch hasn't been set yet.
[16:01] <ehvolevi> aww need xenial :/
 And the PR hasn't merged. You could either try reinstalling with https://github.com/universalsuperbox/rootstock-ng/tree/xenial-actuallyfixit , or just lop the SSH bits off of https://github.com/UniversalSuperBox/rootstock-ng/blob/xenial-actuallyfixit/rootstock-touch-install and use those
[16:02] <StucKman> is there any doc about the actual stack and API documentation?
 Sorry, link hell
 @StucKman, Getting there. There's a 120,000 line PR open on the docs repo that we're sorting as we speak.
[16:03] <ehvolevi> aww, ok
[16:03] <StucKman> @UniversalSuperBox: care to share the link to the PR?
[16:03] <ehvolevi> btw wat is rootstock-touch?
[16:03] <ehvolevi> what about caf?
 @ehvolevi, rootstock-touch is a script that builds Ubuntu rootfs's. I honestly have no idea how to use it.
[16:04] <StucKman> this one, I guess:
[16:04] <ehvolevi> Im seeing that caf xenial branch is same as ubports one
 @StucKman, https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/pull/18
[16:04] <StucKman> https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/pull/18/files
[16:04] <StucKman> yeah, that one, thanks
 @ehvolevi, Do you have a caf device?
[16:05] <ehvolevi> unfortuantelly yes
 If so, this rootfs will be correct: http://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-7.1-caf-sudoku-rootfs/
[16:05] <ehvolevi> with ssh?
 Install that with the xenial-actuallyfixit branch of rootstock-touch-install and you should be off to the races
 It automagically enables SSH.
 You need the caf build so that Mir will at least attempt to work. The non-caf build would still give you SSH if it was enabled.
[16:06] <ehvolevi> sure thanks
[16:06] <ehvolevi> (btw i have caf rootfs ^^)
[16:06] <ehvolevi> i try install script
[16:10] <StucKman> how much the stack depends on android? could it be ported to a normal distribution?
 Our builds with all of their Upstart script goodness depend on that Android container starting and running. It's probable that the rest would run without it as long as Mir started on the target platform.
 We haven't given an honest try, really. :/
[16:13] <ehvolevi> out of memory error damn
[16:13] <StucKman> mir the display server?
 @ehvolevi, Did that happen with the other script?
 @StucKman, Mir the display server.
[16:13] <ehvolevi> no, with both
 Alright. You get to use my new feature. :P
[16:14] <ehvolevi> :/
[16:14] <StucKman> is mir used for anythong more than the 'desktop'? could the apps and APIs (I know the stack is Qt based) could run on a wayland or Xorg stack?
[16:14] <StucKman> anything*
 ehvolevi, Use the `-b` switch to push a custom Busybox.
 In your case, push the `toybox` binary that your tree built. it's probably in `$OUTDIR/system/bin`
[16:16] <ehvolevi> full command plz?
 It's documented under 'options' in the README. https://github.com/universalsuperbox/rootstock-ng/tree/xenial-actuallyfixit
 I don't know exactly where yours would be, or where the rest of your files are.
 @StucKman, Mir is the display server / client protocol that is used. Unity 8, the apps, the dash, everything is written to that protocol (or at least abstrations on top of it, like QtMir). I know that it wouldn't "just work," but I also don't know how much work it'd be to make apps alone work on other platforms.
[16:19] <ehvolevi> ahh, thanks, lets see
 Dalton, why the hell doesn't Unity8 start on Xenial
 Because it's hitting an error
 fair enough
 lol
 http://slackwise.net/files/images/Adventure%20Time/Adventure%20Time%20-%20I%20have%20approximate%20knowledge%20of%20many%20things.gif
 (Sticker, 445x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wG0IncZh/file_1622
 @UniversalSuperBox, You hit the end of it. :P
[16:21] <ehvolevi> universalsuperbox: i get unpacking rootfs tarball to system-image ... /sbin/sh: /data/toybox: not found           however it seems unpacked
 oh @mariogrip . have you tried reflashing your phone with freshly downloaded rootfs?
 @ehvolevi, Did the output ever say "Enabling Mir"?
[16:22] <ehvolevi> yes
 And it enabled SSH?
 Gave you the password prompt and so?
[16:23] <ehvolevi> well, lets see
[16:24] <ehvolevi> well, the ubuntu.img is empty
 Oh boy, what did I do
[16:24] <ehvolevi> only lost+found
[16:24] <ehvolevi> it says no /data/toybox
 Can you pastebin all of its output?
[16:24] <ehvolevi> ok
 @UniversalSuperBox, forgot sync?
[16:25] <ehvolevi> https://bpaste.net/show/73a646101dc7
 bpaste.net
 first time i see it
 lol
 @vanyasem, not yet, will do that tonight
 That's a weird place to complain about toybox.
 thank you, im really excited :P
 @UniversalSuperBox, nope, it's not
 Oh, happened in unpacking too.
 it complains 2 times
[16:26] <ehvolevi> yep
 you can push it manually
 I want to fix it
 `adb push ../out/target/product/a5ultexx/system/bin/toybox /data/toybox`
 It's a branch called actuallyfixit
 toybox doesn't work for me btw for some reason, i use `busybox`
 !!
 because man am i busy
[16:27] <ehvolevi> hmm
 Oh, I see
 what dalton?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Y3sbKYII/file_1623
 Something wonky with `basename`, I guess
 Or the push.
[16:32] <StucKman> @UniversalSuperBox: ok, thanks for all the info
 No problem
 Did you get it working, ehvolevi?
[16:46] <ehvolevi> hmm, 50-50
[16:46] <ehvolevi> the installer
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZwxIlE5K/file_1625.jpg
 Alright?
[16:47] <ehvolevi> i created the img on mt pc and modified the script to not push tarball nor create img
 This app switcher was wayyy smoother than the current one
 @ehvolevi, Ah, okay. There's an alternative script for Halium that does that too. If you can automate it, I suppose it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
 Certainly a good alternative to rootstock.
[16:48] <ehvolevi> yep ^^
 But the script for Halium doesn't install UT rootfs's properly
 So, if you can get those steps into the script I'd love to take a look at it
[16:49] <ehvolevi> sure
 @Gabigol, really? I like that one because it shows the app entirely, but I don't remember it's smoother...
 Yes it was, if you flash an old image you immediatly recognize the differences
 👍🏻
 In fact, most of the reboots I´ve on the FP2 is on the app switcher
[16:56] <ehvolevi> ssh is hanging with no output
[16:56] <ehvolevi> btw i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
 @Gabigol, Is not the same?
 @ehvolevi, Hmm. Great @vanyasem, did you have this?
 @SergioSRM, Nope, their different
 It changed when they merged the two different app-switchers of unity8 (there were one one for desktop and one for the phone/staged mode)
 The old one does not showed your wallpaper neither the app logo.
 @Gabigol, And is for a future release?
 I guess not, unfortanelly... like I said the old one performed wayyyy better imho
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/4EflMJPx/file_1627.jpg
 At tbe moment I see this
 I see the differences but it's a little bit laggy
 Yep, the old one was super fast, I remember swipping up and down to close the apps I had oppened in secconds. Now, it's almost impossible because the phoen reboots
 @Gabigol, that's weired. my phone had never rebooted while trying to close apps. simply I can close apps without any problem...
 Fairphone2 suffer from this disease xD
 reboots on hard tasks
 @Gabigol, My OnePlus One never rebooted at the moment 😆
[17:16] <ehvolevi> I tried to ssh, it asked me for a password and after i typed it and pressed enter, it froze without output, i can't run anything nor press ctrl-c
 hum...
 I´ll try to capture a video of this "feature".
[17:16] <StucKman> ehvolevi: try ssh -v
[17:17] <ehvolevi> i can't run anything
[17:18] <StucKman> ehvolevi: type <ENTER>~.<ENTER>
[17:18] <StucKman> that should escape the ssh connection
 hi party people.  Mr. @Crash_Burn can't access supergroup and had this comment.  Any comments for him? … Anyone else having sms problems? My N5 stops receiving txts until I place or receive calls.
 @SergioSRM, Open all of your apps, then trey to close them fastest you can. Mine crash 9 out 10 x)
 @Gabigol, 👍🏻
 @Gabigol, I've never tried like that, I only close apps normally
 @Gabigol, I did it, my phone still working
 Laggy for a few seconds but everything ok
 Yeah, the older app switcher was "lighter" even on earlier images of UBports for FP2.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EReuT04j/file_1628.mp4
[18:08] <tgBot> Owen Roe was added by: Owen Roe
[18:10] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Hi, I'm having issues getting Ubuntu Touch setup on a nexus 5. The Ubports installer is hanging on the "Please reboot to bootloader screen" despite the device being in the bootloader screen. I got past this screen on the first attempt to install, but the installer hung on the "waiting for recovery mode" screen. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 Could you try with this appimage? http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/2/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
[18:12] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Okay, I will try that and report back. Thanks
[18:16] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Still no luck. The installer hangs on the "Please reboot to bootloader" screen
 Hmm. Just to confirm, your phone is at this screen?
 (Photo, 1000x664) https://irc.ubports.com/k7e5ZmpL/file_1630.jpg
 And says "Device is UNLOCKED"
[18:19] <tgBot> Greg was added by: Greg
[18:20] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> No it does not say unlocked.
 Aha.
 What's your host OS?
[18:20] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> ubuntu 17.10
[18:21] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Well, it does "LOCK STATE - UNLOCKED" upon closer inspection
 17.10 is an unhappy camper, it seems. @mariogrip, any steps you'd like to take that might get us closer to a fix?
 Permenantly, in the code.
 Hey, just got a fairphone 2 I'm looking to flash and I've not done this before and have a few questions
 1) Do you need to be in USB debugging for the installer to work? 2) Does the version of android matter the phone I've got is on 6. 3) I have the old camera I read there was some problems with the new camera is that still a thing?
 1. Normally, yes. You also need to enable OEM unlocking in developer options so we can unlock the bootloader. If you're running the installer on 17.10, we are having issues with that. … 2. No, but you'll need to run either the RC or Devel channel builds for now. The new screen module does not work in stable builds. … 3. The new camera module does not work yet.
[18:30] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> So is there no hope for installing on 17.10?
 @Owen Roe, can you give this a try? http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 @mariogrip, Already sent to him
 here is how to use an appimage https://discourse.appimage.org/t/how-to-make-an-appimage-executable/80
 Already running
 oh ok
 Im running 17.10 and it works fine for me
 @Owen Roe, when the installer asks for password, does you enter your pc passwork? since he have had some problems with it not telling you if the password is wrong
 can you give it another try?
[18:35] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> I do enter the correct password. I am having issues detecting the device at all. The mdt also fails to detect my device, along with adb
 When does the UbuntuTouch Contacts App support CardDAV / owncloud / nextcloud?
 oh! could you try a different usb cables, we have had alot of people with broken usb cables making these wierd issues
 @Greg, Hello Greg and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Owen Roe, Hello and welcome to you, too, Owen Same message for you!     … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[18:39] <tgBot> Feel_Guy was added by: Feel_Guy
[18:42] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Yes, I will try that and report. I did switch cables after the first attempt as the first cable didn't seat well in the phone. … And thank you, Wayne.
[18:43] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Feel_Guy, Hello Ibrahim and also welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Thanks Dalton! Would you recommend 16.04 or 15.04, I assume it's relatively easy to switch? Is there some way to tell which screen module I have? The fairphone was second hand so might not have the new module. Is the wipe option in the installer equivalent of wiping the home user directory or such?
 @Greg, Definitely use 15.04, 16.04 is not ready for use. In any case, it can't hurt to try stable first.
 hey! anyone know why I can't edit my old messages?  That's weird...
 @Greg, Yes, wipe is complete reset of user partition + out of box experience enabled
 Wipe is generally a good idea if you're coming from Android, so make sure you don't want any data from Android. :)
 Awesome, thanks a lot guys!
 @wayneoutthere, this message.. I would like to add some hashtags but I can't seem to edit it....
 but i can edit my message a few up...
 weird....
 maybe if it goes too far back in history it loses edit feature?
 they don't want me to re-write history!!!
 conspiracy!!!!
[18:50] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Every theory can be understood as conspiracy,
 @Milan Korecky, CONSPIRACY!!!
 Hey just running the installer for 15.04 stable and it's stuck on the boot into recovery mode section, I hold the buttons down and I just have the fairphone screen it's been sitting on that for about 3 minutes so tried to reboot it normally and it's stuck on that too.
[18:58] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Well here is an update, it seems it was the USB cable. I checked the continuity on the cable I was using, turns out it is a charge-only cable. Seems to be working now, the phone is on the "installing update" screen with the robot. I'll check back if I have any other issues. Thanks again for all your help! 😊
 I googled apparently it just takes ages
 @Owen Roe, Doh! ha.  Glad it turned out this simple :)
 Hey, is the 16.04 UT stable enough for daily use or not?
 @Anghirrim, I think 'no'
 Did you watch community update?
 Anything useful I learned that is technical (or funny) I  learned here: … https://ubports.com/blog/community-updates-5
 I thin 15 is where @mariogrip does a Xenial Demo
 I did read, but long time ago
 Thanks for the link
 NP
 I know that it happend 2538462 of messages before....but I have an update for my broken M10
 I have to send it to Spain
 It's hardware failure and it's still uder waranty 😅
 @popescu_sorin Hey man. Are you using the dark theme for good or it was just a demo?
 @wayneoutthere, About 7 minutes I think I read
 @kristijantkalec, I had WPA2 and GPS not working on my M10 but with UBports install those problems were solved
 I had ubports, but all of a sudden, everything stopped
 It doesn't want to turn on or charge
 @Stereofont, really?
 so it is to stop re-writing history.  :)
[20:06] <tgBot> Dean was added by: Dean
 @Dean, Welcome Dean
 Hello Dean and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @malditobastardo, just a demo :D actually it was just a reason for me to record the terminal app and nemo X-)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqsRvr18V6Q
 this video?
 Darkness yus
 SuruDark theme
 but it's not really supported
[20:21] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Any reason why this telegram chat does not appear in the app for Ubuntu touch?
 Because it's a supergroup. @Flohack is working on fixing it, ETA Soon(TM)
[20:28] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Owen Roe, Not supported yet, You have to zde the web app telegram
 Well... Impossible to install UT on my OPO, it's driving me crazy
 Under Windows (with a working adb and fastboot environment)
 @Anghirrim, Installed the device drivers?
 Of course yes.
 My adb/fastboot setup is working perfectly
 Sorry I didn't mean to be rude. Just checking absolute basics
 @Stereofont, No problem, I do the same.
 😉
 For UbPorts, I choose the manual install because of the A0001 bug.
 Truthfully, most here regard Windows as toxic, so don't know much about it
 I tested both
 Ubuntu 17.10 and Windows 7
 Did you try the new appimage?
 Under Windows, so UbPorts does not detect my device under fastboot
 17.10 is a known issue
 And CPT does detect it and flash Ubuntu recovery. But when phone restarts under recovery, it's not detected, once again...
 For 17.10, yep I feared so.
 But I did the upgrade recently so was reluctant to get back to 17.04
 So no luck with 17.10?
 @mariogrip, With appimage
 Let me check for appimage.
 I did try with CPT, Ubports-installer and magic tool
 http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 This is new
 In the wiki?
 Cauz' I tried both pages
 Self-contained
 https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-oneplus-one
 Link above
 Blah blah 64 appimage
 Yep, will look at ir
 Thanks
 This too
 Fwd from mariogrip: here is how to use an appimage https://discourse.appimage.org/t/how-to-make-an-appimage-executable/80
 Lol,I began to look for this on Internet
 Thanks
 Lol.  Make notes. You are a Guinea pig
 Gents, where can i found the latest UBports windows installer ?
 ...
 Lol.
 @Ern_st, On the UbPorts website
 Go to devices section
 @Stereofont, So this AppImage is a kind of container that has everything inside?
 @Anghirrim, Is this the latest tool version ^^ ?
 The latest public at least.
 @Anghirrim, From my noob perspective that is what it is. Like an installer for Mac
 @Ern_st, Scroll up and have a go with the appimage option. If it is simple we can start recommendating it
 Yep, I've read some of the threads on the appimage website
 I'm done for tonight with it. I'll try out and report tomorrow.
 @Anghirrim, Great. Thanks
 Because on 17.10, I did install both UbPorts-installer and magic tool snaps
 Magic tool launches but fails because it does not find the proper tools
 @Stereofont, Hmm. I am not George W Bush. Honestly.  I consumed all my "IT stuff" credit for tonight
 UBports takes no responsibility for marital breakdowns : terms and conditions apply
 😂
 Are there mainly dev's here?
 Or some noobs like me?
 I mean, I can read wiki's but I can't write a single code li'e
 Nor can I!
 Was just to know what is the "expected comprehension level"
 There is a complete range from curious to hardware hackers
 Great. I'm part of the "advanced curious", those who like to try things out and search before asking.
 No expectation at all. Anyone welcome
 An army of testers is needed for each developer. If the screen inverts unexpectedly, anyone who spots that is valuable
[21:13] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont, 👍
 (Photo, 949x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/YFJSzWtD/file_1632.jpg Seems the AppImage is detecting the phone at least.
 Will launch the real installation tomorrow.
 (Photo, 949x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0z9GqEss/file_1634.jpg While the regular installation fails....
 I just launched both AppImage and Regular version of the UbPorts-installer.
 Initial restart when you get there is very slow. 15-20 minutes. Don't get impatient
 There is no progress feedback
 Yeah I know. I already ran UT on  a Nexus 5 some months ago.
 But thanks for the reminder
 Unless that got fixed…
 I flashed with the magic tool at that time
 Gotta sleep. Bye guys
 Night
 @Anghirrim, don't do it!!!
 Latest rc update was today ? rc9?
 Hmm I think the date is wrong
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/6U022IA0/file_1636.jpg
 It doesn't say 1970. That's progress
 yay OTA3 47% completed
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/6?closed=1
 Hey guys, check this out: I travelled in time!!!
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/cVe0jCVW/file_1638.jpg
 wow LOL
 (Sticker, 314x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0kMVekVs/file_1639
 wubba lubba dub dub!!!!
 @per_sonne, That's some pretty good battery life
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Rj2300eH/file_1640
 @per_sonne, new math tool
[21:57] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> @malditobastardo, Ah, reminds me that I wanted to file a bug. The date changes everytime when you open the updater.
 The only phone with time travel
 @Stereofont, Haha yeah I remember. It was like that for me before
 @Stefan Kalb, True. I just realize about it. Thanks
 @Stefan Kalb, this issue? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/289
 @popescu_sorin, This was the reason I wanted to check now for updates. Then I tried the new search engine. Duck duck. But it was still google
 Look at this battery graphic from FP2
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7h1M8Q8E/file_1642.jpg
 @mariogrip, if Einstein was alive, he would ave a fp2 with him ( time travel )
 Look above
 It's a 'feature'
 @popescu_sorin, Dark theme? More like pure black theme.
 I am interested in the DNS fix. (To see battery impact). Krack. Keyboard bug. Etc
 (Photo, 540x605) https://irc.ubports.com/96FW935o/file_1644.jpg
 I've done 😊
 I hope video play for nexus 5 will get fixed too. At least there is the workaround UTmedia
 Dual boot on my computer. Now with LinuxMInt 18.2 (ubuntu16.04 - snap) it works without problems to flash the rhone.
 @Markus, bq e4.5?
 Yes on my BQ E4.5
 i think you need to update?
 are you on legacy? installed with mdt?
 Yes 👍🏻 I must update. But now im glad, that it works.
 Installed mith mdt.
 if you update it will automagically move to 15.04 channel
 you are now on the old legacy
 Legacy is redirected to Stable, so you should be good to go
 I'm installing via CPT on my fairphone, it's flashed recovery but doesn't say it's doing anything else, has it crashed or does it just not say until it's done?
 It doesn't say
 Wait 20 minutes
 Just a minimalist logo
 Awesome thanks I was getting concerned it was hanging
 A progress bar has been talked about but not a top priority if you know
 @Anghirrim, A message for tomorrow. … I flashed UT on my OPO this week and I had the same issues than you. My OPO labeled as A001 so it's not recognized my the official tool. … With the help of this fantastic community I succeeded in flashing it. … A member of this chat documented everything and I don't know where he posted
 Sergio Reyes: …   I believe Marius is close to releasing a new and improved Ubuntu Installer that solves these problems.
 http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 It looks like Anghirrim is trying the new method ?
 I don't know. I opened the chat and I had nearly 300 to read 😅 … I just looked over and saw that someone was in trouble trying to flash an OPO so I just wanted to share my experience 😗


[00:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice [source] (kinetic-proposed) [1:7.4.2~rc3-0ubuntu1]
[06:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pkg-kde-tools (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.15.36ubuntu2 => 0.15.36ubuntu3] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[06:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pocketsphinx (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.8.0+real5prealpha+1-14ubuntu1 => 0.8.0+real5prealpha+1-15ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (kinetic-proposed) [186]
[07:26] <cpaelzer> RAOF: Not sure if you are still around, but if you are an SRU question - libvirt for 1989078 is in unapproved and verified; 1990499 is in -unapproved. I wondered if we should/could accept the latter over the former to save everyone an extra download/upgrade (In that case I'd re-upload with -V set accordingly) WDYT?
[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libfm-qt [source] (kinetic-proposed) [1.1.0-3ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libfm-qt [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [1.1.0-3ubuntu1] (lubuntu)
[07:48] <sil2100> ginggs: thanks for the reviews!
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted coturn [source] (jammy-proposed) [4.5.2-3.1~ubuntu22.04.1]
[07:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: coturn [amd64] (jammy-proposed/none) [4.5.2-3.1~ubuntu22.04.1] (no packageset)
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[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted coturn [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [4.5.2-3.1~ubuntu22.04.1]
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted coturn [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [4.5.2-3.1~ubuntu22.04.1]
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted coturn [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [4.5.2-3.1~ubuntu22.04.1]
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted coturn [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [4.5.2-3.1~ubuntu22.04.1]
[08:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unicode-cldr-core [sync] (kinetic-proposed) [41-0.1]
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-rugged (kinetic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0+ds-1build1 => 1.2.0+ds-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-rugged [source] (kinetic-proposed) [1.2.0+ds-1ubuntu1]
[10:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupd (jammy-proposed/main) [1.7.5-3 => 1.7.9-1~22.04.1] (core)
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fwupd [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.7.9-1~22.04.1]
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (jammy-proposed/main) [0.104-0ubuntu2.1 => 0.105-0ubuntu2~22.04.1] (core)
[13:11] <schopin> Hi SRU team. The package s390-tools (and its -signed counterpart) has been stuck in unapproved for a while, and there are new patches that ought to be SRUed as well. Do y'all prefer for us to wait until the first SRU cleared or for us to directly upload a new package incorporating the new patches?
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (kinetic-proposed/main) [186 => 187] (ubuntu-desktop)
[14:55] <dbungert> bdmurray: on the release status tracker, you asked about "Are we shipping the netboot images for 22.10?" - no, not this cycle.
[14:57] <sil2100> ginggs, bdmurray: can one of you review the new slideshow upload? ^
[14:57] <sil2100> It's the Xubuntu translations
[15:18] <ginggs> sil2100, bdmurray: i'll look at ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:21] <sil2100> Thank you!
[15:28] <ginggs> bluesabre: re ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu, some of the POT-Creation-Dates go back in time, e.g. 2021-08-20 05:12-0400 -> 2019-03-13 15:37+0000 is that expected?
[15:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-515 (kinetic-proposed/restricted) [515.65.01-0ubuntu3 => 515.76-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[15:34] <xnox> ubuntu-release synced nvidia-graphics-drivers-515 into kinetic-proposed; it is in proposed in all other suites already, please accept it. we kind of need to build generic kernel's lrm with the above.
[15:55] <laney> .
[15:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-515 [sync] (kinetic-proposed) [515.76-0ubuntu1]
[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pkg-kde-tools [source] (kinetic-proposed) [0.15.36ubuntu3]
[16:38] <bdmurray> schopin: upload again if it is in the unapproved queue, get it verified if it is in -proposed.
[16:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is there any way somebody from the installer team can merge this in and someone can release a new version of ubiquity before Final Freeze? It fixes a bug for Kubuntu in OEM mode: https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/431242
[16:46] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m]: How did you choose 790?
[16:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: Smaller than 800, just in case.
[16:47] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m]: Does the aspect ratio matter?
[16:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> I couldn't find any code for the default size for Ubiquity under GTK, and nobody else more faamiliar with the code was willing to fix it.
[16:47] <bdmurray> The second half of your statement is unfair - its entirely possible there is nobody familiar with it any more
[16:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> "more familiar" it took me 3 hours to trace where this code even was.
[16:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> I didn't know where to begin, in all honesty.
[16:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> The screenshots in the bug report show what is happening currently.
[16:49] <bdmurray> I'm just asking that you try and use more tact with your word choice.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sure.
[16:56] <bdmurray> I'll get it uploaded
[16:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: Thanks a bunch.
[16:57] <bluesabre> ginggs: Yep, Launchpad tries to use newer dates than Transifex. Transifex doesn’t bump creation dates for updates.
[16:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (kinetic-proposed/main) [22.10.7 => 22.10.8] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:11] <xnox> vorlon:  any idea how come riscv64 only kernels trigger tests on all arches? https://bugs.launchpad.net/britney/+bug/1992486
[17:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1992486 in britney "riscv only kernels trigger autopkgtests on all arches" [Undecided, New]
[17:11] <xnox> i sort of expected no tests at all, given that there are no riscv64 autopkgtests
[17:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnote (kinetic-proposed/universe) [42.1-1 => 43.0-1] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[18:12] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-archive: libfm-qt binary NEW is a no-op, could I please get a review? Lubuntu Kinetic -> Kinetic upgrades are currently broken
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libxmlb [source] (focal-proposed) [0.3.6-2build1~20.04.1]
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libxmlb [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [0.3.6-2build1~20.04.1] (core)
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[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-firmware [source] (focal-proposed) [3.34.0-2ubuntu1]
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-software [source] (focal-proposed) [3.36.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[18:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libxmlb [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [0.3.6-2build1~20.04.1]
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: prometheus-tplink-plug-exporter (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.2.0+git20200622.cc4a731-2build1 => 0.2.0+git20200622.cc4a731-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted prometheus-tplink-plug-exporter [source] (kinetic-proposed) [0.2.0+git20200622.cc4a731-2ubuntu1]
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10.8]
[19:05] <holman> Hello release team. The cloud-init team has verified the 22.3 release for SRU. Test logs, rerun results, and bugs found during verification have been attached to the SRU bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1987318
[19:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1987318 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "sru cloud-init (22.3 update) Bionic, Focal, Jammy" [Undecided, In Progress]
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-packagekit (kinetic-proposed/universe) [3.32.0-3 => 3.32.0-5] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[19:45] <bdmurray> holman: The correct team for updates in stable releases is the Stable Release Updates team whereas the Ubuntu Release team deals with the development release of Ubuntu.
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-calls (kinetic-proposed/universe) [43~beta.0-1ubuntu2 => 43.0-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-calls [source] (kinetic-proposed) [43.0-1ubuntu1]
[19:57] <holman> bdmurray: Sorry about that, thanks for the correction.
[20:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calamares (jammy-proposed/universe) [3.2.60-0ubuntu0.1 => 3.2.61-0ubuntu0.1] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected livecd-rootfs [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.765.11]
[20:57] <simpoir> Hi release team. Chiming in to say I've been appointed release shepherd for the kinetic cloud images builds.
[20:58] <tsimonq2> Welcome :)
[20:59] <simpoir> thanks
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (kinetic-proposed) [187]
[21:53] <ginggs> bluesabre: thanks
[22:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-8.0 (kinetic-proposed/main) [8.0.30-0ubuntu3 => 8.0.31-0ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[23:31] <holman> @RAOF / Stable Release Updates Team - Hello. The cloud-init team has verified the 22.3 SRU. Test logs, rerun results, and bugs found during verification have been attached to the SRU bug. Requesting release to Bionic, Focal, and Jammy https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1987318
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libsoup2.4 (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.74.2-3 => 2.74.3-1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (jammy-proposed/main) [22.04.17 => 22.04.18] (ubuntu-desktop)
[23:52] <tsimonq2> (I know, it's weird to see me even touching Ubiquity, but I'm fulfilling a sponsorship request. :) )


[15:58] <davmor2> guys with the inclusion of fusa there now seem to be 2 places to shutdown the netbook is this going to alter or do I need to bug it?
[16:05] <ian_brasil> davmor2, it is also confusing the big red shutdown button going to a log out option
[16:05] <ian_brasil> IMO that is a UI bug
[16:05] <davmor2> ian_brasil: well yes that to but if it is being gotten rid of I didn't want to bring that up :)
[16:07]  * ian_brasil squashes the big red button
[17:03] <lovebug356> Hello all,
[17:03] <lovebug356> I'm getting an error: Unsupported distribution: distribution.Ubuntu when starting up image-creator
[18:03] <lool> lovebug356: Hey
[18:03] <lool> lovebug356: We dont really use MIC anymore
[18:03] <lool> lovebug356: Which base are you trying to work on?
[18:04] <lovebug356> lool, ok, I'm trying to create a build environment
[18:04] <lovebug356> on my main machine
[18:16] <ian_brasil> lovebug356, use virtualbox..it is much simpler
[18:17] <ian_brasil> then just ssh into it


[12:08] <gary_poster> bac frankban? gmb hi, call in 2
[12:08] <frankban> ok
[12:08] <bac> ok
[14:50] <gary_poster> lunch
[14:50] <gary_poster> biab
[16:16] <frankban> gary_poster: I am going to recover the time wasted with kafka today, my EOD will be 7pm UTC
[19:59] <bac> hey gary_poster
[20:01] <gary_poster> hey bac
[20:01]  * gary_poster somehow missed frankban's ping :-/
[20:03] <bac> gary_poster: i've not been able to reproduce bug 998040.  i discovered some unrelated precise/py2.7 bugs but in lucid i cannot get this test to fail. i've added a comment to the bug and moved it back.
[20:03] <_mup_> Bug #998040: lp.codehosting.tests.test_bzrutils.TestGetBranchStackedOnURL.testGetBranchStackedOnUrlNotStacked(RemoteBranchFormat-v2) fails rarely/intermittently in parallel tests <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/998040 >
[20:03] <gary_poster> looking
[20:04] <bac> doesn't really say more than what i just wrote
[20:06] <gary_poster> bac, that's fine.  If you wanted to go "further" (for some definition) with it, I would suggest two more steps.  (1) Ask Robert for an opinion, since it seems like it might be squarely within bzr's realm, and he might be able to diagnose it with eyeball.  (2) If that goes nowhere, mark it incomplete.  In fact, I'm happy to do those if you don't want to.  Meanwhile, what you've done so far looks good.
[20:17] <bac> gary_poster: ok.  i've asked robert.  he seems a bit queued up right now
[20:18] <gary_poster> bac, yes :-) cool
[20:45] <gary_poster> bac, so maybe our bug should be markewd a dupe of the bzr one?  If so, please put a card for the bzr bug in tracking
[20:46] <bac> gary_poster: yes, it looks that way.
[20:47] <gary_poster> cool bac, fire away thanks
[20:47] <bac> gary_poster: first i want to track down the MP lifeless mentioned.  there isn't one linked from the bug he mentioned
[20:47] <gary_poster> ah ok


[12:19] <daftykins> incredible, this person that bought my clients apartment down in Spain is attempting to get IT support through me because "i was there once"
[12:19] <daftykins> happy Wednesday gang \o
[13:14] <davef> daftykins: hey, if they're a willing to pay customer, sure.. why not?
[13:22] <daftykins> heh, well i don't think this buyer has even sorted their own service since moving in
[13:31] <zxmpi> ask for their customer account number >:-)
[13:32] <zxmpi> don't know it? can't help sorry
[20:33] <davef> Just had a weird moment with XFS
[20:34] <davef> So I grew a LV, went to run xfs_growfs and it told me the volume wasn't mounted. Huh? I'm using the /dev name, not the mounted path
[20:34] <davef> I've must have used the /dev name a million times when running xfs_growfs
[20:34] <davef> But in CentOS8, no no! We must move the goalposts
[20:34] <davef> Now you have to use the mount path *facepalm*


[14:44] <jbicha> ricotz: it looks like you'll just have to wait a month for valabind to be auto-removed for the vala 0.38 transition
[14:44] <jbicha> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/valabind


[16:05] <krytarik> zequence: What I mentioned yesterday, same with "https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/ubuntustudio-look".
[16:32] <sakrecoer_> is that the branch for desktop art and such krytarik
[16:32] <sakrecoer_> ?
[16:33] <krytarik> Yeah.
[16:33] <sakrecoer_> cool!
[16:40] <sakrecoer_> also found https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-artwork pulling them both to snoop arround in them.
[17:00] <sakrecoer_> is there a team for the artwork? i see the ubuntustudio-look branch requires ubuntstudio-developer team memebership to contribute
[17:00] <sakrecoer_> krytarik
[17:05] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Nope, there doesn't seem to be a specific artwork team, just that.
[17:08] <flocculant> o/
[17:09] <krytarik> Hi flocculant.
[17:09] <flocculant> :)
[17:09]  * krytarik laughs
[17:09] <flocculant> ha ha
[17:14] <sakrecoer_> long time not update in many of the look/artwork/icon branches..
[17:15] <sakrecoer_> many and many.... 2 out of 4...
[17:15] <sakrecoer_> are the artwork guys listed in the credits on IRC sometimes?
[17:23] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: yes, but not recently.
[17:24] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: there is and artwork team I think... just looking.
[17:24] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art
[17:25] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia is the lead it says
[17:27] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: As always you are welcome to to create a merge for any of these packages.
[17:36] <sakrecoer_> thanks OvenWerks its seems i have to be memeber of the developer team to contribute to the look branch.. but its fine each thing in its time :)
[17:37] <sakrecoer_> i pulled it all and am looking into it now :)
[17:37] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I can finish a merge if required, then zequence can upload :)
[17:38] <sakrecoer_> perfect! :) defenitly joining the art team tho :)
[17:38] <OvenWerks> I know it seems more steps than should be needed. But more than one pair of eyes is good too.
[17:39] <sakrecoer_> i'm fine with taking the existing steps. :) i could however only help improve the process after aquiring experience with them :)
[17:57] <krytarik> Alright, me not finding that team was the result of inadvertently searching Google rather than LP directly, seeing it not linked on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ArtTeamPage , and nowhere else either. :P
[18:01] <sakrecoer_> hehe... first thing i will do is fix that hexter.png icon...
[18:01] <sakrecoer_> it looks good enough, but the size... hurts my nerve to see it bigger then everybody else in the list
[19:01] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: hexter and HDSPmixer too.
[19:02] <sakrecoer_> yes!!!! just saw it was there too :)
[19:02] <sakrecoer_> it's just a matter of resizing them :)
[19:04] <OvenWerks> XFCE seems to have changed. It used to be that a 48X48 was good enough. (1404 shows them both correct size)
[19:08] <sakrecoer_> i don't think i have seen them display correctly since 12.04... but i might be wrong. They are definitly wrong on my 14.04
[19:17] <OvenWerks> I may have fixed them locally... though I am generally too lazy for something like that.
[19:19] <sakrecoer_> is it 32x32 in use atm, OvenWerks ?
[19:19] <sakrecoer_> i mean... the correct size is 32x32?
[19:39] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I think for menu it is supposed to be 20... but for whisker I don't know.
[19:40] <sakrecoer_> so several sizes is best?
[19:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: it may depend on the whiskermenu settings even. There is an icon size
[19:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: that would be a good question to ask the xubuntu guys.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: they would know what sizes should be available. If they are svg to begin with, it should be possible to just have one.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> Some people just have a link to that one in each size directory.
[19:43] <sakrecoer_> yeah... i was also wondering about svg... that is the optimal format for this kindof things..
[19:44] <OvenWerks> I am pretty sure the guys in xubuntu are involved with the whiskermenu development.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> svg _should_ be smaller than png and clearer.
[19:47] <sakrecoer_> but, is svg at all accepted?
[19:47] <OvenWerks> I thought I had done hexter as svg.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> but I can't find it.
[19:47] <sakrecoer_> its not to be found in the branch..
[19:48] <sakrecoer_> have a look maybe, otherwise i can redraw it... :) i think the look works. its just size...
[19:49] <OvenWerks> look in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ lots of svgs
[19:49] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the old one we had was a screenshot of the one on their web page. It looked really bad.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: so I redrew it to a least be clean, but it is the same as their's
[19:51] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the original is in the package, but it and the desktop file are not installed by default for some reason.
[19:51] <sakrecoer_> ok... :)
[19:51] <sakrecoer_> haha! darktable have a special xmas icon :D
[19:52] <sakrecoer_> sorry ot...
[19:52] <OvenWerks> not really
[19:53] <sakrecoer_> :) try to see if you can find your svg version, otherwise i can redraw it no problem :)
[19:54] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I can't find it. It is not in any of the palces I would normally put such things
[19:56] <sakrecoer_> ok :) i've been wanting to fix that for ages, so i will do it sometime this week :)
[21:11] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: you may wish to look at http://dssi.sourceforge.net/hexter.html
[21:12] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the github source code does not come with an icon at all: https://github.com/smbolton/hexter I think that was what I found out before.
[22:53] <zequence> krytarik: sakrecoer_ : There is a an artwork team. Ot
[22:53] <zequence> It's called ubuntustudio-art
[22:53] <zequence> You can see all the teams here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[22:53] <zequence> krytarik: Not sure what you feel is the problem with the repos.
[22:54] <zequence> Right, Len already tolr you
[22:55] <zequence> I'll be around a little more tomorrow hopefully
[22:55] <krytarik> zequence: Duplication of the package name in the URL, rather than just its series, "trunk".
[23:04] <krytarik> zequence: So, do you feel like adding the LP team URL to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ArtTeam , then? :P


[16:35] <sing> Hi, I have a problem
[16:35] <sing> Hi, I have a problem
[16:36] <sing> Hi, I have a big problem
[19:52] <sing> Hi, I have a problem
[21:16] <sing> I have a huge problem, plz help
[21:23] <sing> this big (--------------)


[19:54] <soee> hi, can someone confirm that it is impossible to switch to nvidai card on Wily atm. (when using machine with intel + nvidia) ?
[21:47] <brainwash> so, can Xorg be run as non-root in ubuntu now?
[21:48] <brainwash> wily + startx
[21:49] <brainwash> there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1292324


[02:44] <marco_> Hi
[02:46] <marco_> how can i use this? Sorry i am new
[02:51] <holstein> marco_: hello!
[02:51] <holstein> use what?
[02:56] <marco_> use ubuntu studio and this chat
[02:57] <marco_> sorry  i am new in linux, a try to learn to use for make music, i am student.
[02:58] <holstein> well, you are using "this chat" right now
[02:58] <holstein> doesnt matter what you are.. student, professional.. whatever.. *all* of linux, ubuntu, and ubuntustudio is completely free for anyone to obtain, and use
[02:59] <holstein> i say, try and just get used to the system..
[02:59] <holstein> !proaudio
[02:59] <holstein> learn to setup jack, and go from there
[02:59] <holstein> dont try and learn the entire OS in one evening.. try and get jack running, and make a sound with something.. keep it simple
[02:59] <holstein> visit places like #opensourcemusicians where folks are using these tools to make music
[03:00] <marco_> Thanks i appreciate your help
[03:01] <holstein> try and get specific questions.. like "what program do you use for notation?".. etc
[03:01] <holstein> its quite challenging to tackle "how do you use this?".. since, i use linux for literally everything
[03:02] <marco_> I have read from lillypond
[03:02] <holstein> lillypond is a great project. and not specific to ubuntustudio in any way.. its in most repos
[03:05] <marco_> thanks, i go to visit the url what you send me. And sorry my english is bad, i am very slow.
[03:05] <holstein> its not a race ;)
[03:06] <marco_> jejeje
[03:06] <marco_> thanks
[03:07] <marco_> if i have a specific question, can i consult you?
[03:08] <holstein> marco_: anyone can ask, or answer anything in the support channels.. its an open community
[03:08] <holstein> you are always welcome to ask
[03:08] <marco_> Thanks.
[03:09] <marco_> Goodbye for your help
[03:09] <holstein> o/
[13:00] <c0rn1> Hello there
[13:00] <c0rn1> I got a question: Does Ubuntustudio run on an IBM X40 notebook? Does anyone have experience with that type of setup?
[13:04] <c0rn1> I'd like to run the EMU 0404 at my X40 in the studio just for recording purposes
[13:07] <cfhowlett> !hardware | c0rn1
[13:07] <cfhowlett> c0rn1, or perhaps #opensourcemusicians
[14:37] <OvenWerks> c0rn1: the easiest thing to do is put ubuntustudio on a usb stick and run it live. That is boot from the stick and choose the first option to run a live session.
[16:29] <c0rn1> OvenWerks, thank you, gonna try that. I have ubuntu installed @ the X40 though. gonna try to install the studio on top
[16:40] <Me_> ubuntu studio is ubuntu is ubuntu studio c0rn1
[16:40] <Me_> if it runs Ubuntu, it will run Ubuntu Studio
[16:40] <c0rn1> yeah, thanks =)
[16:40] <c0rn1> reading into it right now
[16:41] <c0rn1> it looks very versatile (first impression)


[09:47] <laney> using the api, what's the best way to go from an spph to its build records? i'm finding that getBuilds() isn't populated if the package was copied forward (i.e. built in a previous series). currently I am going through the bpphs back to the build record but this is quite slow.
[09:48] <laney> as you get one bpph for each (binary, arch) built from the source
[12:26] <cjwatson> Ugh, that's all pretty awful.  The same-series restriction seems pretty arbitrary given that it _does_ return builds that were built in a different archive and copied into the SPPH's archive.
[12:27] <cjwatson> There would probably be some fallout from fixing it, but that inconsistency between series and archives does seem like a bug.
[12:27] <cjwatson> laney: ^
[13:53] <rbasak> cjwatson: thank you for triaging bug 1993290. For this and (just filed) bug 1993303, it might be worth specifying exactly how git-ubuntu staging will work, before you commit to effort. But my suspicion is that both of these will make sense and be part of any solution.
[13:53] -ubottu:#launchpad- Bug 1993290 in Launchpad itself "git repository ACLs do not support a 'person who can upload this package' type" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993290
[13:53] -ubottu:#launchpad- Bug 1993303 in Launchpad itself "Cannot set default git ACLs for a team" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993303
[14:29] <rbasak> might be worth specifying exactly how git-ubuntu staging will work> I mean I will have to specify it, not you :)
[14:29] <rbasak> But that's perhaps a conversation to have.
[15:47] <cjwatson> rbasak: heh, so I'd independently put something quite similar to the second of those on our roadmap for another reason.  Useful, thanks.  Does it need to be per-team as well as per-distribution?
[15:52] <rbasak> cjwatson: what would per-distribution and not per-team mean? AIUI, repositories are attached to teams, and only via distributions via the default target setting. So if it were per-distribution only, wouldn't it be confusing that effective ACLs change if the default changes?
[15:53] <rbasak> Oh, that's not quite right.
[15:53] <rbasak> Of course a repository has a target distribution regardless of the default and that doesn't change.
[15:54] <rbasak> But still, wouldn't it be confusing for the target to determine the repository ACL in effect, instead of the team's settings?
[15:54] <rbasak> From my POV, I'd expect to be able to set the default ACL based on git-ubuntu's requirements, rather than the distribution as a whole.
[15:55] <rbasak> That way it would be guaranteed not to impact non git-ubuntu workflows.
[16:06] <cjwatson> rbasak: I'd been thinking of a default policy that the distribution owner could set for all default repositories for all packages, regardless of who owns them.  That seems like a reasonable thing for a distribution owner to be able to do, in general
[16:07] <cjwatson> rbasak: But I can see we might want to refine this and make sure we've joined all the dots
[16:07] <rbasak> cjwatson: that could work for git-ubuntu, but I think it depends on some specifics.
[16:08] <rbasak> If we implement staging using some subset of the branch namespace in the official git-ubuntu repositories themselves, then I think it would be tricky, since the ACL would need to encode our schema for the branch namespace, which would be git-ubuntu specific.
[16:08] <rbasak> But I don't like that approach anyway, because I think it overloads the official repository namespace.
[16:09] <rbasak> OTOH, if we use some other team's repositories with the same Ubuntu+package target for staging repositories, then the entire namespace would be available to that team, so there wouldn't have to be anything in the default ACL to encode some kind git-ubuntu workflow specific branch name schema.
[16:10] <rbasak> In that case I think it would be sufficient to be distribution specific only. But I need to think about it some more.
[16:10] <cjwatson> rbasak: breakout session with a whiteboard next week sometime maybe?
[16:11] <rbasak> Yes please. With vorlon too if possible.
[16:21] <cjwatson> scheduled
[16:22] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:50] <vorlon> rbasak, cjwatson: I'm not in Prague physically next week and this is at 2am my time.  Hopefully my last feedback by email to rbasak was clear enough that y'all can run with it without me
[16:50] <rbasak> Ah, sorry, OK.
[16:51] <rbasak> vorlon: how would you feel about a staging area being defined but owned by a separate team, parallel to but not part of the git-ubuntu repositories?
[16:51] <cjwatson> vorlon: I just picked the first free slot in the calendar - is there a time you intend to overlap?  (But we can probably consider you as optional)
[16:51] <rbasak> I'd expect to automatically add it as a remote with "git ubuntu clone"
[16:53] <vorlon> cjwatson: I am provisionally attending the Foundations roadmap session in the afternoon which is 4:30am my time, so maybe right after that?
[16:54] <vorlon> rbasak: I certainly don't have a horse in the race when it comes to launchpad namespace questions here :) what I care about is that 'git ubuntu clone' gives me the right thing when checked out, and then something reasonably close to 'git push' does the right thing for pushing to the staging area (details TBD, because of course I would also like a dgit-like 'push' to work for pushing to the archive)
[16:56] <rbasak> vorlon: OK, thanks. One other issue I'm not sure how to solve yet is that the staging branch wouldn't exist until someone wants to stage something. So it's awkward to present the right thing to a user by default (ie. a local branch based on git-ubuntu ubuntu/devel if nothing is staged, or a local branch based on the staging branch if something is staged).
[16:57] <cjwatson> vorlon: hmm, can we maybe make it half an hour immediately after the PM break if you don't mind skipping the two foundations standups at that time?  And we can stretch into the following half-hour slot if we need to
[16:57] <rbasak> I might have to code the logic into "git ubuntu clone" which I don't like particularly, but I don't see a way of solving that with git configuration alone.
[16:57] <vorlon> right, I would expect this logic to happen in 'git ubuntu clone', sorry :)
[16:57] <rbasak> OK
[16:58] <rbasak> Those were the main reasons I wanted you involved.
[16:58] <rbasak> But it sounds like you don't mind too much of the implementation details apart from the final UX.
[16:59] <vorlon> cjwatson: welllll I don't normally attend those standups anyway which are 7am my time so I certainly don't miss them.  I am certainly open to trying to attend at that time, I just can't commit because I'm not doing a full time-shift due that week given my other committment Tuesday-Thursday
[16:59] <vorlon> rbasak: quite
[16:59] <vorlon> so I might wake up at 4am and pass out again by 6
[16:59] <cjwatson> vorlon: OK, understood, I'll move to that time so that at least it's in principle possible for you, and mark you optional
[16:59] <rbasak> So maybe it's OK for you to skip if it's awkward, and hopefully there won't be any major objections on a final spec when I have that ready.
[17:15] <laney> cjwatson: alright, cheers. do you happen to know if there's a bug for this already or should I file one?
[17:16] <cjwatson> laney: I was about to say no, but seems like there's an old one where people were just as perplexed as me about what those constraints were doing there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/783613
[17:16] -ubottu:#launchpad- Launchpad bug 783613 in Launchpad itself "SPPH.getBuilds only returns builds in the same series" [Low, Triaged]
[17:16] <laney> oh nice, ye olde buge


[05:22] <sarcasticCat> Does bazaar have some equivalence functionality as GIT Blame?
[05:50] <spiv> sarcasticCat: have you tried 'bzr blame'? :)
[05:50] <sarcasticCat> lol that's that first thing I tried :P
[05:51] <spiv> What does it lack that you're looking for?
[05:55] <sarcasticCat> spiv: Uhm, there's this source file (that has been worked on by multiple people), I'd like to know who've made what changes
[05:56] <sarcasticCat> spiv: git blame would do just that. But at my place, the cvs is bazaar, and I'd like to know if bzr is capable of this
[05:58] <spiv> sarcasticCat: bzr blame should tell you that.
[05:58] <spiv> sarcasticCat: is it not doing that for y ou?
[05:59] <spiv> (you may also find GUI implementations nice, like 'bzr qannotate' from the qbzr plug, or 'bzr gannotate' from the bzr-gtk plugin)
[05:59] <sarcasticCat> spiv: Oh, ok. Yeh, it worked. (It didn't work the first time because I was at the wrong directory)
[05:59] <sarcasticCat> thanks
[05:59] <spiv> You're welcome.
[06:02] <sarcasticCat> spiv: Uhm, now I get <filename> is not versioned sometimes.
[06:03] <sarcasticCat> What might be the reason for ths? (i'm pretty sure people have made a lot of changes gradually in these files)
[06:03] <sarcasticCat> *this
[06:05] <spiv> sarcasticCat: hmm, when you try "bzr blame <filename>"?  what does "bzr status <filename>" report?
[06:05] <bob2> how sure are you that it is versioned
[06:07] <sarcasticCat> bob2: almost 100%. (This file has different blocks of code written in different styles, so it must've been written by multiple people, obviously not at the same time. So it must be versioned)
[06:08] <bob2> :/
[06:08] <bob2> er, use bzr status or bzr log to find out
[06:09] <sarcasticCat> well, bzr log would give me > 2000 lines (from 2009 till now) :(
[06:09] <bob2> bpaste.net shell session of 'bzr log somefile | head ; bzr blame somefile | head'
[06:10] <sarcasticCat> Oooh, bzr status <filename> gave me "nonexistent", which doesnt make anysense
[06:10] <sarcasticCat> I'm staring at the file right now. o_O
[06:11] <sarcasticCat> the syntax is [bzr status <path to file>] , right?
[06:11] <bob2> == not in bzr
[06:12] <bob2> (this is all the same as git btw)
[06:12] <sarcasticCat> bob2: Sorry, i'm not quite following. What do you mean by "not in bzr"
[06:12] <sarcasticCat> ?
[06:13] <bob2> the file isn't in bzr
[06:13] <bob2> or your path is screwed up somehow
[06:14] <sarcasticCat> uhm, yeah. there's a typo in it! Sorry for the noise!
[06:16] <sarcasticCat> btw, is there a way to check who first added a particular file?
[06:16] <bob2> bzr log --help
[06:16] <bob2> -> reverse -> | head
[06:17] <sarcasticCat> bob2: uhm...? reverse what?
[06:17] <bob2> ?
[06:17] <bob2> the output of log
[06:18] <bob2> prety sure it's the exact same answer as in git, just with the word 'bzr' instead of the word 'git'
[06:20] <sarcasticCat> Well, I know what the output of log looks like. But I dont see how that relates to my question.
[06:20] <bob2> ? the first commit is the one that added it
[06:21] <sarcasticCat> oh, I see what you're saying. I thought you said to do a [bzr log] (w/o the filename)
[08:11] <mgz> morning
[08:15] <fullermd> Humbug.
[12:35]  * jelmer waits for the 2.5.1 SRU tests to pass..
[12:36] <mgz> how parallel are you going?
[12:36] <jelmer> mgz: 4 I think
[12:36] <jelmer> thunderbird is also keeping one of my CPU cores busy though
[12:37] <mgz> ehehe
[12:37] <mgz> thunderbird is the antivirus of nix.
[12:37] <jelmer> what it's doing, I have no clue..
[12:41] <fullermd> Some things man isn't meant to know.
[14:05] <frathgeber> hi, all. i've been googling for an answer to this question for quite a while but can't seem to find an answer
[14:06] <frathgeber> is it possible to configure which shared repository a branch uses?
[14:06] <frathgeber> situation as follows: i have a co-located workspace in /path/to/colo and a legacy shared repo in /path/to
[14:06] <mgz> yes, but depends what you mean by 'configure'
[14:07] <frathgeber> i want to choose the shared repo location
[14:07] <frathgeber> e.g. with bzr reconfigure
[14:07] <frathgeber> or by editing .bzr/branch/branch.conf or any other configuration
[14:07] <mgz> it will just use the one closest as it climbs the directories
[14:07] <frathgeber> which break my co-located workspace
[14:08] <frathgeber> because i want my branches to use /path/to/colo/.bzr/branches
[14:08] <mgz> there's no problem having a repo in colo
[14:08]  * jelmer luncheons
[14:09] <jelmer> fsvo lunch
[14:09] <frathgeber> yes, but for some reason the branch suddenly picks up the shared repo in the parent
[14:09] <frathgeber> which obviously doesn't contain its history
[14:09] <frathgeber> so as a consequence my co-located workspace is now broken
[14:09] <mgz> jelmer, not quite yet! is there some command that will make a colo branch init a repo where it lies?
[14:09] <frathgeber> :)
[14:10] <jelmer> mgz: a bzr-colo branch or a bzr-core colocated branch?
[14:10] <frathgeber> i'm using bzr-colo
[14:10] <frathgeber> but i don't think it matters
[14:10] <frathgeber> it's related to the bug i just reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1005532
[14:11] <jelmer> frathgeber: that does matter
[14:11] <frathgeber> ok
[14:11] <jelmer> the way in which bzr-colo stores it branches is confusing bzr
[14:11] <mgz> frathgeber: so, in theory there's no problem with the layout you want, just some of the conversion commands are likely too zealous about sqiushing things together
[14:12] <frathgeber> jelmer: yes, i realised it's confusing bzr
[14:12] <frathgeber> and now i'm looking for a way to un-confuse bzr
[14:12] <jelmer> I would be inclined to reassign this to bzr-colo
[14:12] <frathgeber> i.e. make it use .bzr/branches as the shared repo again
[14:12] <frathgeber> instead of ..
[14:13] <frathgeber> i think what i'm really asking is: how does bzr-colo make a branch use a shared repo in a subdirectory
[14:13] <frathgeber> and how can i restore this configuration if it's broken?
[14:14] <jelmer> frathgeber: if a branch itself doesn't have a repository bzr will look upwards
[14:14] <jelmer> so if you remove .bzr/branches/foo/.bzr/repository it will start using .bzr/repository again
[14:16] <frathgeber> there seems not to be a .bzr/branches/foo/.bzr/repository
[14:16] <jelmer> if .bzr/branches/foo is a standalone branch there would be
[14:17] <frathgeber> ok
[14:17] <frathgeber> so i need to bzr reconfigure --standalone .bzr/branches/foo
[14:18] <frathgeber> oh bugger, i see what has happened
[14:18] <jelmer> frathgeber: I don't think bzr-colo branches would ever want to be standalone?
[14:19] <jelmer> shouldn't they use the repository in .bzr/branches ?
[14:19] <frathgeber> my failed attempt to reconfigure did actually delete the shared repository in .bzr/branches/.bzr/repository
[14:19] <frathgeber> they should, yes
[14:20] <mgz> right, go and eat some things jelmer :)
[14:20] <frathgeber> but my failed attempt to reconfigure it as per bug #1005532 seemed to have killed that shared repository
[14:20] <jelmer> anyway, "lunch" first.. back in 45 min :)
[14:20] <frathgeber> thanks, enjoy your lunch
[14:20]  * frathgeber just had 'lunch' a few min ago
[14:21] <mgz> frathgeber: the interesting thing for that bug is probably the steps to get into that situation
[14:21] <mgz> if you can reproduce from scratch, that would be usefulful to include steps for
[14:21] <frathgeber> yes, it actually started earlier, but i hadn't expected that that would be relevant
[14:22] <frathgeber> situation was as follows (and i think will be subject of another bug report):
[14:22] <frathgeber> co-located workspace in /path/to/colo
[14:23] <frathgeber> now i did bzr colo-checkout ../mybranch as described in the bug report
[14:23] <frathgeber> subsequently however, i rebased /path/to/colo (which in fact is also a lightweight checkout of mybranch)
[14:26] <frathgeber> actually, that should be legal, shouldn't it? rebasing a branch that has 2 lightweight checkouts shouldn't break either of them?
[14:28] <mgz> shouldn't have any impact, indeed
[14:30] <frathgeber> anyway, i noticed that bzr info in ../mybranch gave me the 'wrong' shared repo and indeed all bzr operations were broken
[14:30] <frathgeber> bzr: ERROR: Revision ... not present in ...
[14:31] <frathgeber> so i was looking for a way to point it back to the 'right' shared repo
[14:31] <mgz> right, but you're not sure which command actually broke the repo, correct?
[14:31] <mgz> for the bug report, that's what we need
[14:31] <frathgeber> correct
[14:32] <mgz> for recovery, it sounds like you want to make a fresh branch from another copy of the repo, as at some point the current one got deleted
[14:32] <frathgeber> indeed
[14:33] <mgz> possibly during recovery attempts after the layout got confused rather than at the same time
[14:33] <frathgeber> i think i had pushed everything upstream before
[14:34] <frathgeber> i've repeatedly done bzr reconfigure --standalone followed by bzr reconfigure --use-shared to figure out what actually happened
[14:35] <mgz> remember .bzr.log also records your past commands and might be useful in working out what happened when
[14:35] <frathgeber> very good point indeed
[14:36] <frathgeber> i'll have a look at that and see if it tells me sth
[14:38] <frathgeber> ah, there we go. i think i remember now what caused me to try those weird experiments
[14:38] <frathgeber> bzr reported ../mybranch was out of date, so i tried bzr up, which failed
[14:38] <frathgeber> saying 'branch has no revision ...'
[14:39] <frathgeber> mgz: i can attach .bzr.log to the bug report?
[14:40] <mgz> yup, you may want to trim it a little, but keeping a few commands before that update would likely be useful too
[14:41] <frathgeber> yeah, i found the but from where it's potentially relevant
[14:43] <frathgeber> odd, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1005532/+addcomment is broken for me, i get the generic 404 'Lost something?'
[14:44] <frathgeber> refreshing helped
[14:45] <mgz> odd, on post or get?
[14:46] <frathgeber> get
[14:46] <frathgeber> i think it was because jelmer had made a status change in the meantime
[14:46] <mgz> ah, I know what it is
[14:47] <mgz> project changed from bzr to bzr-colo and there's no redirect
[14:48] <frathgeber> ah, right
[14:48] <frathgeber> that's fair enough
[14:49] <frathgeber> i'll try to rescue my shared repo and maybe someone can make some sense from my bzr.log
[14:50] <mgz> creating a fresh branch from the bits you pushed upstream is probably easiest
[14:51] <frathgeber> yep
[14:53] <frathgeber> mid-term i'll probably switch to colo-core
[14:53] <frathgeber> when is that going to make it into the release?
[14:54] <mgz> it's in 2.5, with a few ui polish issues
[14:54] <mgz> neil was talking about making bzr-colo use the new core colo support where available
[15:00] <frathgeber> ok. where can i find documentation on core colo?
[15:02] <frathgeber> canonical.com is really slow today...
[15:02] <mgz> not sure what we have on the user-facing side
[15:02] <frathgeber> nothing obious at least :)
[17:12] <frathgeber> it seems i've lost the 2 most recent commits
[17:13] <frathgeber> now the branch is in some weird limbo and appears unusable
[17:14] <frathgeber> e.g. bzr: ERROR: Could not determine revno for ... because its ancestry shows a ghost at ...
[17:23] <jelmer> frathgeber: did you perhaps remove any of the repository directories?
[17:23] <jelmer> one repository probably has/had mroe revisions than the other
[17:24] <frathgeber> i didn't conciously remove any of the repository directories
[17:24] <frathgeber> but quite possibly one of the commands i ran did (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-colo/+bug/1005532/+attachment/3166962/+files/bzr.log)
[17:29] <frathgeber> is there anything i can do to rescue that branch? i still have the working tree and also the dirstate, so i could branch from upstream and diff to see the changes and try to re-create those 2 missing commits
[17:29] <frathgeber> is there an easier/safer way to do that?
[17:31] <jelmer> frathgeber: it's probably easiest to talk to somebody familiar with bzr-colo, I'm not entirely sure what all the colo- commands do
[17:35] <frathgeber> ok. but assuming the repository is lost (which is what i'm assuming now), do i have better options to ressurect those 2 lost commits than what i described above?
[17:37] <vila> frathgeber: yup. On the other hand, 'find . -name pack-names -print' should tell you where some repository may be hidden and hopefully recoverable (I'm here for less than ~5 minutes)
[17:38] <frathgeber> ok, will run that
[17:39] <frathgeber> alas it's gone
[17:40] <frathgeber> i'll go the manual route then
[17:40] <frathgeber> thanks for your help jelmer, mgz, vila
[19:47] <fullermd> Oh look, 2.5.1 takes lplibrarian into the hundred millions.  Yeesh.
[19:53] <jelmer> fullermd: whu?
[19:54]  * fullermd shrugs
[19:55] <fullermd> Doesn't mean anything.  Just cute.
[21:33] <dodgerblue> hello all
[21:34] <dodgerblue> do you have any idea how can i commit so i can get a partial version like <version>.1.1 ?
[21:34] <dodgerblue> or <version>.1.2?
[21:41] <bob2> why?
[21:42] <dodgerblue> bob2: i just wanna know how
[21:42] <bob2> ok!
[22:06] <wgz> dodgerblue: that happens when you commit a merge of another commit
[22:07] <dodgerblue> wgz: thanks :)
[22:11] <jave> do I need to install the "colo" plugin if I want to try colocated branches in bzr 2.5?
[22:17] <wgz> jave: nope, that's a different thing
[22:23] <jave> okay. were can I find proper docs on colocated branches?
[22:24] <jelmer> jave: there aren't any at the moment, colocated branches are still experimental in 2.5
[22:25] <jave> ah well.
[22:25] <jelmer> I think the main documentation is some emails to the mailing list at this point.
[22:25] <jave> is colo branches usable at all in 2.5?
[22:26] <jave> or should I wait?
[22:26] <jelmer> jave: I wouldn't recommend it for production use
[22:26] <jave> okay thanks,
[22:26] <jelmer> if you're working on plugins etc and want to make them ready for colocated branches then it might be worth to have a look at them
[22:27] <jave> no I just wanted to try out colo branches on the emacs repo
[22:51] <vadi2> bzr viz's UI is very broken for me in 2.5.0. I can't scroll all the way to the top of the revisions history. Does anyone else have this?
[22:53] <jelmer> vadi2: it's fine here
[22:53] <jelmer> vadi2: what version of bzr-gtk is that?
[22:54] <vadi2> 0.103.0+bzr792-1ubuntu1
[22:56] <vadi2> This is what I can scroll up to: http://i.imgur.com/i7mBv.png you can tell it's not the latest one because the arrow button is still pressable. The only way I can get to the top is via the keyboard up/down buttons - and when I switch that way, it fails to scroll, but does select the revision properly/
[23:00] <jelmer> vadi2: I would recommend filing a bug, I haven't seen any bugs about this issue before
[23:01] <vadi2> alright


[01:04] <smoser> alevy, running 'single' doesn't actually hit the datasource.
[01:04] <smoser> harlowja,
[01:04] <smoser> it just uses what it already found
[01:04] <smoser> you have to re run 'cloud-init init' to have it search
[01:04] <harlowja> ya, moving /var/lib/cloud should make that work out right
[01:08] <smoser> single wont re-run the search though
[01:08] <smoser> so it wont have pulled the data.
[01:08] <smoser> i dont think
[01:08] <smoser> this use case is one i want to solve with 'ci-tool'
[01:08] <harlowja> ya, k, i think alevy was running init also
[18:16] <alevy> harlowja: hey man if you have time I am going to roll a new instance and try to finish debugging this?your input is appreciated.
[18:17] <harlowja> sure, i'll have a little time today, today i have more meetings (which sux)
[18:17] <harlowja> smoser can probably also jump in to (or others)
[18:17] <alevy> ha ha
[18:17] <alevy> yeah understood
[18:17] <alevy> thx
[18:17] <smoser> i can help. sure.
[18:18] <harlowja> all smoser  fault anyway alevy , lol
[18:18] <harlowja> :-P
[18:18] <harlowja> ha
[18:18] <alevy> thanks guys
[18:18] <alevy> let me get it up and see where i am at
[19:12] <alevy> smoser: I assume i need console=ttyS0 to make sure I can see cloud-iit output at boot?
[19:13] <smoser> ubuntu?
[19:13] <alevy> smoser: centos
[19:13] <smoser> i don tknwo fo sure, but quite possibly.
[19:13] <smoser> it depends on the sysvinit scripts
[19:14] <smoser> if they send output to their stdout (which i'd expect them to do)
[19:14] <smoser> so yeah, you probably should have that. and should log thta serial console
[19:22] <alevy> ok
[21:23] <pquerna> smoser: have you been following the systemd-networkd work?  They kinda have a proposal rolling for network config files.
[21:23] <pquerna> smoser: ps sorry i'm bad at bzr; made it a new merge proposal :-/
[21:25] <smoser> pquerna, no. not at all. network config files ?
[21:29] <pquerna> smoser: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-November/014077.html was the first patch, trying to find the bigger spec doc on the .network and .link file formats.
[21:37] <pquerna> smoser: i know the CoreOS guys are interested in getting the .link and .network files onto a ConfigDrive, rather than having to parse out the interface file.  Not sure in the end its much different though.
[21:39] <smoser> well, i think thats wrong.
[21:39] <smoser> network/interfaces format is equally wrong
[21:39] <smoser> but openstack is stuck with it for legacy
[21:39] <smoser> they shouldn't go inserting some other arbitrary format in.
[21:39] <pquerna> i'm all for something better.
[21:39] <smoser> instead use something like the netcfg format or somethign.
[21:40] <pquerna> is anyone actually adopting netcfg though?
[21:40] <smoser> picking up a "standard" that is all of 2 months old isn't a good idea.


[19:54] <raluxgaza> Hey guys what's your favourite music player, I am looking for something like winamp on windws with excellent sound quality
[20:06] <ari-tczew> raluxgaza: clementine
[20:16] <raluxgaza> ari-tczew, sweet, just rocking it now and it's better than audacious


[16:47] <Lhademmor> Hi, who's in charge of the website?
[16:47] <Lhademmor> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition has some very outdated pictures and other stuff that I want to discuss - should I report it as a bug?
[16:52] <Lhademmor> it's quiet today
[17:50] <Lhademmor> "Computers are like airconditioners - They dont really work with windows open..." lol