[07:52] <kahrytan> Black_Magic-> It's not install on Ubuntu by default.. whats that tell you
[07:52] <crdlb> emerald isn't installed by default
[07:52] <murlidhar> icanhas, kahrytan,  after upgradation my update manager shows 255 updates , maybe after that i could to get my emerald back
[07:52] <icanhas> murlidhar: yes, upgrade fully first :)
[07:52] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Nice timing
[07:52] <tanner> anyone have a recent model thinkpad?
[07:52] <Black_Magic> last time this thing worked was in -12 kernal :/
[07:53] <DistroJockey> 24-12?
[07:53] <icanhas> Black_Magic: ah, then it's a kernel issue. do you still have access to -12 to test that theory out?
[07:53] <Black_Magic> yep
[07:53] <Black_Magic> never delete kernals
[07:53] <Black_Magic> i still have the gusty kernal :/
[07:53] <kahrytan> Whereis UUID for drives listed?
[07:53] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: blkid
[07:54] <kahrytan> that didnt make sense.
[07:54] <murlidhar> i can access my internel only through gutsy kernel not through hardy one :(
[07:54] <murlidhar> i can access my internet only through gutsy kernel not through hardy one :(
[07:54] <murlidhar> spellometer
[07:54] <icanhas> Black_Magic: can you try rebooting into -12 to test that theory plz?
[07:54] <Black_Magic> kahrytan: its a command
[07:54] <DanaG> sudo vol_id -u /dev/sdaX
[07:54] <murlidhar> 100/100
[07:54] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: sudo blkid   rather
[07:55] <Black_Magic> icanhas: yea
[07:55] <Black_Magic> BRB
[07:55] <sparr> are mixed-release ubuntu systems supported?
[07:55]  * DanaG hates how Firefox 3.0 sucks at quitting.
[07:55] <kahrytan> DistroJockey->  thanks. i need to mount my ext3 partition
[07:56] <DistroJockey> sparr: as in multi upgardes?
[07:56] <DanaG> It freezes, so I give up and force-quit approximately every time.
[07:56] <kahrytan> DanaG->  thats the definition of beta
[07:56] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: no problem
[07:56] <sparr> DistroJockey: as in ive got feisty, but i installed some pacakges from gutsy
[07:56] <kahrytan> DanaG->  You could just go back to ff2
[07:56] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:56] <DanaG> I need the blocks-redirects feature.
[07:57] <DistroJockey> sparr: no idea sorry, I usually like to start afresh :)
[07:57] <Lynoure> DanaG: Oh, mine quits prettier than ff2 did, even gets saved with the session
[07:58] <DanaG> Mine sits there and freezes for 15-30 seconds, on iowait.
[07:59] <icanhas> Funny, ff3 crashed _more efficiently_ for me.
[07:59] <DistroJockey> hehe
[08:01] <DistroJockey> my ff3 works fine (fresh Hardy rc) flash and all
[08:01] <Zoem> I still get the flash insta-kill thing
[08:01] <Zoem> but thats not ff
[08:02] <DanaG> the nspluginwrapper fixed it for me.
[08:02] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, can you elaborate?
[08:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[08:04] <sparr> Need to get 3230MB of archives.
[08:04] <sparr> ^^ :(
[08:04] <DistroJockey> eek
[08:04] <Zoem> D: what did you do?
[08:04] <sparr> thats my gutsy to hardy upgrade
[08:04] <Zoem> oh
[08:05] <sparr> 2097 upgraded, 248 newly installed, 90 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[08:05] <Zoem> lol@ 6 not upgraded
[08:06] <sparr> oh, and 12 not fully installed or removed.
[08:06] <DistroJockey> sparr: I'd just get the alternate RC CD, or wait 4/5 days for release
[08:06] <sparr> that's due to package borkedness in hardy recently
[08:06] <bardyr> sparr, how much software do you have installed :O
[08:06] <sparr> bardyr: about 2100 packages, soon to be 2350, it seems
[08:06] <DistroJockey> heh
[08:07] <sparr> DistroJockey: and one CD will replace 3GB of downloads?
[08:07] <DistroJockey> sparr: probably not
[08:08] <kahrytan> lol
[08:08] <kahrytan> File Operations dialog reminds me of MacOS 8.5
[08:08] <troseph> lol yeah
[08:09] <troseph> but sometimes behaves like Vista
[08:09] <kahrytan> That's insulting
[08:09] <troseph> "Calculating Time Remaining..." or "Preparing..."
[08:09] <kahrytan> Calculating is Mmacos
[08:09] <kahrytan> Macos
[08:10] <troseph> meh, I don't mean to insult. Nothing to fret over.
[08:10] <troseph> http://troy-watson.com/fun/wtf-why-vista.png
[08:10] <kahrytan> Ubuntu will never be Vista
[08:10] <troseph> Not even 1k and it had to think about how long it would take.
[08:10] <troseph> Yeah
[08:10] <troseph> I knw
[08:11] <kahrytan> Vista copied MacOS
[08:11] <troseph> nothing to get defensive about I just had an annoyance with it.
[08:11] <troseph> I don't care who copied who, I just know it was annoying
[08:11] <kahrytan> Vista takes to long to do anything
[08:12] <dotech> my monitors never turn off anymore
[08:12] <philip_> what's the command to configure gnome? gconf?
[08:12] <kahrytan> gconf-editor?
[08:12] <philip_> kahrytan: ah yes good man :)
[08:13] <kahrytan> philip_-> I gotta use with each new install ... add My Documents to desktop
[08:13] <kahrytan> troseph-> I change Home to My Documents for the fun of it
[08:13] <philip_> kahrytan: I use it to hide the top panel :)
[08:13] <dotech> i have my screen saver set to 1 minute
[08:13] <dotech> but it never comes on
[08:14] <kahrytan> philip_->  I use bottom panel like Windows setup and I use top panel as transparent and quick click apps
[08:15] <philip_> kahrytan: ah. I get rid of bottom panel completely, wiped the apps off, just the main ubuntu button
[08:16] <Lynoure> Three panel happiness here :) (all much shorter than full length)
[08:16] <kahrytan> I use Gnome Main Menu... not the default one
[08:16] <philip_> that's the damn beauty of open source folks...customizations galore
[08:17] <Adys> Anyone has had problems on reboots with menus and tooltips appearing under all applications?
[08:17] <kahrytan> Lynoure must be the type to use expanding panels
[08:17] <philip_> although I wish there were an app to create a script to record customization changes so we can quickly do it from version to version
[08:18] <kahrytan> philip_-> Oh man .. I miss MacOS for that
[08:18] <kahrytan> philip_->  gone are the days of AppleScript.
[08:19] <philip_> I have a minor BIG issue
[08:19] <tanner> well i sure hope they fix the automounting issues before the 8.04 release
[08:19] <kahrytan> philip_->  thats a contradiction
[08:19] <david> four whole days to go :P
[08:19] <Black_Magic> nope that wasnt it
[08:20] <ethana2> heh
[08:20] <ethana2> you want to see a sweet panel config?
[08:20] <philip_> I added a password to my HD in BIOS (making it ask a password on boot). I swapped that drive into an external enclosure. So now I'm screwed and I really don't want to reinsert the drive back in
[08:20] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64764&d=1207179493
[08:21] <philip_> so, question is, how do I access my files in the drive?
[08:21] <alex_mayorga> would there be another RC?
[08:21] <ethana2> oops
[08:21] <kahrytan> philip_->  bite the bullet and reinstall in case?
[08:21] <philip_> kahrytan: hehe yeah...so now you understand my minor BIG issue
[08:21] <kahrytan> alex_mayorga->  I don't think so .. ubuntu isnt windows.
[08:21] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64764&d=1207179493  <- my idea of awesome panels
[08:22] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: pretty sure the answer in nope
[08:22] <DistroJockey> is^
[08:22] <alex_mayorga> I still see some breakage or minor glitches
[08:22] <alex_mayorga> bluetooth and wifi still act up moe than they should
[08:23] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: reporting issues will help
[08:23] <alex_mayorga> does an ubuntu laptop have ssh enabled by default
[08:24] <alex_mayorga> I've got issues reported since gusty that have been largely ignored
[08:24] <icanhas> alex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
[08:24] <alex_mayorga> like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/124159
[08:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124159 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Broadcom bcm43xx Wireless driver regression in gutsy" [High,Confirmed]
[08:25] <icanhas> the 43xx drivers are just a mess in general
[08:25] <alex_mayorga> actuakky
[08:25] <Riskbreaker> hey guys. recently switched to ubuntu hardy from kubuntu gutsy. having problems with power usage.
[08:25] <alex_mayorga> why don't you take a look at my bug log https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~alex-mayorga
[08:25] <BonezAU> hi, all of a sudden today when I booted up hardy I am unable to access my windows NTFS partitions, in Gnome it says "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'VOLUME'
[08:25] <Riskbreaker> ubuntu uses a LOT of power; i used to get 3.5-4hours on kde with minimum CPU frequency and LCD brightness,
[08:25] <Riskbreaker> now i get 2.5 hours max, regardless of what i set CPU or LCD to
[08:26] <icanhas> BonezAU: oh just force mount it. it'll be fun.
[08:26] <alex_mayorga> either I have really pesky hardware or no one care about the issues that affect it
[08:26] <Riskbreaker> and a lot of heat is generated, also regardless of CPU frequency
[08:26] <Riskbreaker> why is it using so much power
[08:26] <BonezAU> icanhas: will that break anything?
[08:27] <Jordan_U> Riskbreaker, Is it an intel machine?
[08:27] <Riskbreaker> AMD
[08:27] <alex_mayorga> DistroJockey: do you know who to poke?
[08:27] <kahrytan> I really hate the new Mozilla addon site
[08:28] <alex_mayorga> I do try to keep them current
[08:28] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: nope, you loom like you have it covered
[08:28] <icanhas> BonezAU: nah, probabaly what happened is you didnt shutdown windows right last time. i mean it _could_ break something, but i do it al the time :)
[08:28] <DistroJockey> look^
[08:28] <alex_mayorga> the bugs I mean
[08:28] <BonezAU> icanhas: I just did it and it works fine, thanks :) - and yes, vista was pissing me off and it would not shut down so I just hard-powered the laptop off :)
[08:29] <Zoem> BonezAU: just be careful doing that with your ubuntu partitions mounted
[08:29] <Jordan_U> Riskbreaker, Is it an intel machine?
[08:29] <Zoem> you'll be fscking for hours
[08:30] <icanhas> BonezAU: generally speaking, i dont suggest force mounting, but ultimately i do it quite often :P
[08:30] <Riskbreaker> Jordan_U: it's AMD
[08:30] <Riskbreaker> Zoem: that's what she said
[08:30] <icanhas> fscking for hours isn't so bad.
[08:30] <Zoem> Riskbreaker: :P
[08:31] <BonezAU> icanhas: ok thanks for your help
[08:31] <BonezAU> thanks zoem
[08:32] <DanaG> wtf?  http://troy-watson.com/fun/3_vnorvono%5B1%5D.gif
[08:32] <Zoem> nice shop
[08:33] <Lynoure> DanaG: that's photoshop or gimp for you.
[08:33] <kahrytan> What is the name of the firefox extention that blocks javascripts site by site case?
[08:33] <alex_mayorga> noscript
[08:33] <Zoem> isn't that like, the #1 most popular extension?
[08:34] <ethana2> #2 or 3
[08:34] <ethana2> #1 is adblock
[08:34] <kahrytan> Zoem->  I agree
[08:34] <alex_mayorga> one of the top security features :)
[08:34] <kahrytan> it's top 5 of the most used extentions
[08:34] <alex_mayorga> that and adblock alone make my life better :)
[08:35] <kahrytan> I allow adsense ads to appear
[08:35] <ethana2> text ads are great
[08:35] <kahrytan> cuz On sites I like, I click them
[08:35] <ethana2> anything bandwidth intensive, distracting, power consuming is fail
[08:35] <DanaG> I can't stand the pop-up-on-hover text ads.
[08:35] <alex_mayorga> given that I have around 0 money I block ads as a courtesy to the advertisers ;)
[08:35] <DanaG> I also can't stand ads that masquerade as content, or as links to other content.
[08:36] <DistroJockey> lol alex_mayorga :)
[08:36] <alex_mayorga> just being honest :)
[08:36] <DistroJockey> :)
[08:36] <WaSrD> :)
[08:36] <kahrytan> Does anyone else try to make it habit of supporting fav sites with adsense?
[08:37] <icanhas> kahrytan: that's called.. fraud i think
[08:37] <alex_mayorga> I used to back when ABP had the option
[08:37] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: my fav sites don't use adsense
[08:37] <kahrytan> icanhas->  No.
[08:37] <sparr> kahrytan: people like you are why my site gets flagged for fraud
[08:37] <kahrytan> icanhas-> It's fraud when site owner does it
[08:37] <alex_mayorga> I don't find it anymore, nor care that much anymore
[08:37] <Zoem> kahrytan: I click through often
[08:38] <Zoem> I don't use adblock, either
[08:38] <kahrytan> sparr->  Or you click them selves
[08:38] <kahrytan> Youself*
[08:38] <sparr> or not
[08:39] <alex_mayorga> what should one be testing on this last week?
[08:39] <Riskbreaker> fixing my power problem!
[08:39] <Riskbreaker> <#
[08:39] <Riskbreaker> <3*
[08:39] <WaSrD> I am virgin ubuntu 8.04 x64 user here with a few complex questions, if I may have help please? or is this wrong channel?
[08:39] <kahrytan> I look for ads I am interested in
[08:39] <alex_mayorga> I do have an AMD here
[08:39] <icanhas> !ask | WaSrD
[08:39] <ubotu> WaSrD: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[08:40] <alex_mayorga> but never really venture that far away from a power outlet :)
[08:40] <WaSrD> very well...I spent 6 hours trying to install on a wiped raid array
[08:40] <Zoem> alex_mayorga: agreed. I borked my hardy upgrade three times by running out of power in the middle
[08:40] <WaSrD> have no idea how I finally got it...but did...now I'm trying to make my network visible
[08:40] <WaSrD> I can see one of 2 machines
[08:40] <WaSrD> but can't browse to them
[08:40] <WaSrD> do I need to install more things?
[08:41] <alex_mayorga> I maybe should reinstall this laptop from generic to x64, whould I see any major breakage/advantage?
[08:42] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: nope
[08:42] <Zoem> alex_mayorga: no. but I do believe there was something floating around for using reduced amd power consumption features
[08:42] <Zoem> maybe
[08:42] <alex_mayorga> so is it an improvement or mostly the same thing?
[08:42] <Zoem> it's 64-bit support
[08:43] <alex_mayorga> is that a real advantage or would I be hunting for 32 bit packages in the end?
[08:43] <DanaG> WHO THE **** thought it'd be a good idea to make gnome not have screensaver settings?
[08:43] <ethana2> heh, I don't know
[08:43] <ethana2> but it's horrible
[08:43] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: the gnome maintainer
[08:43] <icanhas> DanaG: I'd imagine the GNOME developers. Want me to ask them?
[08:43] <ethana2> brainstorm?
[08:44] <ethana2> Miguel de Icaza
[08:44] <DanaG> The rss-glx screensavers have really bad defaults, too.
[08:44] <ethana2> ...on behalf of his uh..
[08:44] <alex_mayorga> bug 22007
[08:44] <ethana2> sponsors.
[08:44] <DanaG> So the "don't need configuration" is a lie.
[08:44] <sparr> DanaG: the same people who think openbox shouldn't have a startup programs list, because "that's not the WMs job"
[08:44] <DanaG> Then whose job is it?
[08:44] <ethana2> the sub window manager
[08:44] <RAOF> DanaG: Because xscreensaver was crap, and no one has written the settings thing again.
[08:44] <icanhas> sparr: well that's not the WM's job ;)
[08:44] <ethana2> I think there should be two layers
[08:44] <gnub_daemon> hmmm...how might I go about allowing myself to connect to SQL?
[08:45] <DanaG> Try installing rss-glx and running solarwinds with no parameters.
[08:45] <DanaG> That's exactly how gnome-screensaver runs it.
[08:45] <sparr> icanhas: and yet, the people who design all the OTHER software assume that it is
[08:45] <RAOF> DanaG: So it's not so much that they were removed, but that no one has written a new settings editor (it'd be quite easy).
[08:45] <alex_mayorga> I for one have subscribed to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/22007
[08:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22007 in gnome-screensaver "no 'Settings' button in gnome-screensaver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:45] <sparr> icanhas: try convincing the gdm developers that it's the session manager's job to store non-session'd startup programs
[08:46] <icanhas> sparr: well it is, imho
[08:46] <icanhas> gdm needs to have a 'sub session manager' or something
[08:46] <sparr> that would be nice
[08:46] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:47] <xtknight> notice how when tabcompleting a command containing $(uname -r) or `uname -r`, it does not complete properly?
[08:47] <xtknight> used to.  try "cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ [tab]" :(
[08:47] <icanhas> is it suppose to?
[08:48] <xtknight> it did in earlier versions for me altho not sure about Gutsy
[08:48] <xtknight> it's pretty obvious it tries and does it wrong
[08:49] <Riskbreaker> so does anyone know anything about my power isue? maybe heard of other AMD users with power issues?
[08:49] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, run powertop
[08:49] <Riskbreaker> as root?
[08:49] <xtknight> sure
[08:50] <sparr> powertop on amd?
[08:50] <xtknight> why not?
[08:50] <xtknight> it just detects progs that wakeup the cpu i hink
[08:50] <Riskbreaker> alright... what am i looking at here
[08:50] <xtknight> and gives you possible optimizations
[08:50] <sparr> because its an intel program that only, as of the last time i checked, worked on certain mobile intel CPUs?
[08:50] <RAOF> Oh, yay!  Someone has started to actually _write_ a screensaver settings editor, rather than simply bitching about it!
[08:50] <paynito> i am having a localization or font issue after direct 6.06-8.04 upgrade, could someone look at my screenshot and give me a clue what to try?
[08:50] <paynito> http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaatm7.png
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> this is really interesting:
[08:51] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, i dont know too much about powertop, but it should lead you in the right direction
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> top causes for wakeups
[08:51] <Zoem> paynito: what locale is that supposed to be?
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> ps/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> followed by "Extra timer interrupt"
[08:52] <Riskbreaker> now i think i know what's going on
[08:52] <xtknight> sparr, it can not get "detailed C-state information" for amd cpus
[08:52] <xtknight> but works otherwise
[08:52] <paynito> during install it kept saying it couldn't download En:Au and would default to C
[08:52] <sparr> Riskbreaker: do you have any ps/2 devices attached?  monitoring those interrupts is a horrible waste of cpu time
[08:52] <xtknight> actually my intel core  2 cant get the c-state stuff either
[08:52] <Riskbreaker> there is a problem with my laptop. i dont know how to fix it, actually. it's convinced i'm pushing an unnamed key on the keyboard at all times
[08:52] <sparr> heh, yeah, that might do it  :)
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> i looked at some stuff on the intarwebs using google
[08:53] <sparr> elaborate on "unnamed"
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> they suggested updating my bios, which i did, and it didn't solve the problem
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> well, observe my dmesg outpout
[08:53] <xtknight> what;s your ps2 keyboard entry say
[08:53] <xtknight> mine is like 0.1% on this pc
[08:53] <Zoem> paynito: what is in your /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local?
[08:53] <xtknight> 1.5%
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> [11110.020647] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x8d on isa0060/serio0).
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> [11110.020654] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e00d <keycode>' to make it known.
[08:53] <paynito> let me check
[08:53] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, i mean how much interrupt % is it using
[08:53] <DanaG> RAOF: try running this:
[08:53] <DanaG> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/solarwinds
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> and dmesg has thousands, thousands of lines liek that
[08:54] <xtknight> i doubt that's the reason for power use though unless it's truly persistent
[08:54] <DanaG> And see how bad it is with no parameters.
[08:54] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to remove the oh-so-annoying live search in ff3 url box?
[08:54] <Riskbreaker> powertop says 36.5% is the ps/2 line
[08:54] <xtknight> wow
[08:54] <Riskbreaker> i think i need to get on the phone with dell support about this keyboard issue
[08:55] <DanaG> Default is no FPS limit, and not nice, and all presets (including "jiggly")
[08:55] <DanaG> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux
[08:55] <DanaG> Try that with no parameters.
[08:55] <DanaG> Then try
[08:55] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux --regular -n -x 60
[08:55] <sparr> Riskbreaker: i hope that isnt getting written to /var/log/syslog  :)
[08:55] <sparr> and now, good night
[08:56] <Riskbreaker> it could be.
[08:56] <DanaG> !info rss-glx
[08:56] <ubotu> rss-glx (source: rss-glx): Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.1-8ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 4891 kB, installed size 5732 kB
[08:56] <DanaG> I guess I should file a bug on the bad default settings.
[08:56] <paynito> en and local are in /var/lib/locales/supported.d
[08:57] <Zoem> ok, what is the output of locale?
[08:57] <DistroJockey> DanaG: running flux as I type. What was the issue?
[08:57] <DanaG> Runs way fast, with no FPS limit, and not 'nice'
[08:58] <DanaG> And with random presets, instead of the nice tame one.
[08:58] <DistroJockey> it is glitchy
[08:58] <kahrytan> nevermind... il killing ff3 in ubuntu.
[08:58] <paynito> LANG=en_IN.UTF-8
[08:58] <Zoem> interesting
[08:58] <paynito> there are 10 lines like that
[08:58] <Zoem> ok, add "en_AU UTF-8" to your /val/lib/locales.d/local
[08:58] <paynito> the last is LC_ALL=
[08:59] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, making the key known will at least prevent it writing huge stuff to dmesg all the time ;)
[08:59] <paynito> how do i add that?
[08:59] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: perhaps, but wont that cause other problems?
[08:59] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,  i dont think
[08:59] <Zoem> sudo gedit /var/lib/locales/supported/local
[08:59] <Riskbreaker> what keycode should i give it
[08:59] <xtknight> no idea
[09:00] <Zoem> dangit
[09:00] <DanaG> DistroJockey:  Now try flux with parameters.
[09:00] <Riskbreaker> is it reversible?
[09:00] <DanaG> It should look nice and .... nice.
[09:00] <Zoem> paynito: sudo gedit /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local
[09:00] <DistroJockey> DanaG: I used the:   /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux --regular -n -x 60
[09:00] <kahrytan> Who here likes Firefox 3?
[09:00] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, i dont know that either but probably
[09:00] <Zoem> paynito: I'm terrible at typing :(
[09:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, I *know* that they want to have configuration.  But the point is that it's not a case of "why did they remove this functionality", it's "the old one was crap, and noone has written a replacement for this part of the oldone's functionality".
[09:00] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3987837
[09:00] <xtknight> seen that?
[09:01] <DanaG> Aah.  The odd thing:
[09:01] <Zoem> so, nothing is better than bad something?
[09:01] <DanaG> The first half of the upstream bug seemed to be a "we removed it on purpose" answer.
[09:01] <paynito> all i have is boxes now inside of gedit
[09:01] <Zoem> lol, ummm... oops
[09:01] <valehru> Updated to Hardy.  The nvidia_new driver is enabled but not in use, whats the story with that?
[09:01] <paynito> i should do it in nano instead
[09:01] <Zoem> yeah
[09:01] <Zoem> or a cli editor
[09:02] <xtknight> valehru, probably need to logout to get it to use the driver
[09:02] <Zoem> nvm, I don't use nano
[09:02] <Zoem> yes, nano
[09:02] <valehru> xtknight, no dice. logged out, disabled it, re-enabled it.  Still not in use in restricted devices.
[09:02] <paynito> it has
[09:02] <paynito> en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8
[09:03] <paynito> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[09:03] <Zoem> neato
[09:03] <Zoem> that's good then
[09:03] <Zoem> now, in /etc/environment
[09:04] <Zoem> change it to read LANG="en_AU"
[09:04] <paynito> should i add en_IN.UTF-8 to local?
[09:04] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, just try to change your kbd layout to a Dell one and the messages should go away
[09:04] <Zoem> and LANGUAGE="en_AU:en"
[09:04] <Riskbreaker> alex_mayorga, i've tried that
[09:04] <paynito> ok, going to /etc/environment
[09:04] <DistroJockey> DanaG: all GL screen savers are fubar'd (have been for a while for me)
[09:04] <DanaG> But try it with the parameters.
[09:05] <DanaG> It's a nice preset, run 'nice', and fps-limit to 60.
[09:05] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux --regular -n -x 60
[09:05] <Theo_> If I download and install 8.04 BETA will I be able to upgrade when it is released in 4 days? Or will I have to re-install using the CD of the final 8.04?
[09:05] <Dr_willis> You can upgrade
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> i did this:
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> sudo /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup stop
[09:05] <Zoem> there is a difference?
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> and now at least th ekeyboard entry doesn't show up in powertop
[09:05] <paynito> ok I changed to instances of en_IN to en_AU
[09:05] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, interesting
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> but tehre is something labeled "extra timer interrupt"
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> but the dmesg messages still show up
[09:06] <Theo_> if I have 7.10 installed is there any way of upgrading to 8.04 without deleting files?
[09:06] <Zoem> paynito: reboot ;)
[09:06] <Zoem> whait
[09:06] <Zoem> umm...
[09:06] <Zoem> one more thing.... I forgot
[09:06] <paynito> ok
[09:06] <DistroJockey> DanaG: as I said, I ran that before and i id glitvhy
[09:06] <DistroJockey> glitchy^
[09:06] <DanaG> Odd.
[09:06] <Zoem> paynito: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:06] <Zoem> paynito: first
[09:06] <WaSrD> how come I was able to get add/remove to add 2 apps, but the other 99% of the time, if I try to add an app, it sits with working icon, no progress bar, and I have to reboot to close the add/remove window?
[09:07] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, grep NO_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r`
[09:07] <xtknight> check if tickless s on
[09:07] <paynito> it said everything was up-to-date
[09:07] <Riskbreaker> didn't work
[09:07] <Zoem> ok, go ahead and reboot
[09:07] <Riskbreaker> do you maen powertop grep all that
[09:07] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,   no   "  grep NO_HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r)  " in the terminal
[09:07] <DistroJockey> DanaG: smooth but glitchy
[09:08] <Riskbreaker> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
[09:08] <alex_mayorga> tried the powertop thing myself
[09:08] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, how much % is extra timer interrupt
[09:08] <alex_mayorga> it suggest "hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom", how bad is that?
[09:08] <Riskbreaker> 40%
[09:08] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, anything  dmesg|grep -i NOHz
[09:08] <Riskbreaker> but 20% is the keyboard again...
[09:09] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom 'hal' is the component that auto-opens a
[09:09] <xtknight> window if you plug in a CD but disables SATA power saving from kicking in.
[09:09] <Riskbreaker> nothing with that last one, xtknight
[09:09] <xtknight> that's the description
[09:09] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, being a while since I've used a CD
[09:09] <kahrytan> Anyone know where liferea config is?
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> can I safely implement that?
[09:10] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, yea it just disables autorun i think
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> OK, let me try
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, what's your lap model?
[09:10] <Riskbreaker> dell inspiron 1501
[09:10] <DarkMageZ> what programs does ubuntu have available that can identify what encoder was used to make an mp3 file
[09:11] <paynito> no change
[09:11] <paynito> i have another screenshot for you in a sec
[09:11] <Zoem> what does locale say now
[09:11] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, we have the exact same bugger :)
[09:12] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, and dmesg | grep -i HPET
[09:12] <xtknight> please pastebin this
[09:12] <xtknight> if you get anything
[09:12] <WaSrD> how do I close this frozen add/remove window without rebooting please?
[09:12] <xtknight> WaSrD, repeatedly press the X window?
[09:12] <xtknight> er X button
[09:12] <paynito> en_AU.UTF-8
[09:12] <WaSrD> thank you
[09:12] <Zoem> WaSrD: do you have access to the system moniter?
[09:12] <WaSrD> didn't work
[09:12] <Zoem> paynito: that is interesting :(
[09:13] <Riskbreaker> nothing, xtknight
[09:13] <WaSrD> system monitor? I'll check
[09:13] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker: do you by any chance have loads of APIC error on CPU1: 40(40) on your dmesg?
[09:13] <WaSrD> yes
[09:13] <paynito> http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abcjp2.png
[09:13] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, http://ww.linuxpowertop.org/faq.php
[09:13] <xtknight> What is "(interrupt) : extra timer interrupt"?
[09:13] <Zoem> WaSrD: kill the process "gnome-app-install"
[09:14] <paynito> this box with 3 buttons, can't get rid of it no matter, what i click
[09:14] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, Riskbreaker maybe you guys could pastebin your dmesg
[09:14] <xtknight> !pastebin
[09:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[09:14] <Riskbreaker> alex_mayorga: i've seen those, yes.
[09:14] <WaSrD> thank you that worked
[09:14] <xtknight> i'd be curious... that laptop seems to have power problems w/ linux
[09:14] <paynito> i had a suggestion before to right click the desktop and try to change to ubuntu human theme
[09:14] <Zoem> paynito: I have no idea what that box was
[09:14] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: do you need us both paste?
[09:14] <DanaG> Actually: disabling CD polling makes it not find new media at all, even when you manually try to open it.
[09:14] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, i guess it would be helpful
[09:15] <alex_mayorga> OK, glad to "help" :)
[09:15] <xtknight> <- curiosity
[09:15] <DanaG> Some Dells don't have HPET.
[09:15] <Riskbreaker> http://pastebin.com/m2b8fa5f3
[09:15] <xtknight> probably the cause of the extra timer interrupt is no hpet
[09:15] <DanaG> But MS demands hpet for vista certification.... how can that be?
[09:16] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, haha well i knew that already
[09:16] <xtknight> hmmm
[09:16] <xtknight> :p
[09:16] <Zoem> paynito: what does it say in your letc/default/locale?
[09:16] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: yeah ,sorry
[09:17] <kahrytan> How do I restore firefox?
[09:17] <kahrytan> url box, buttons. etc
[09:17] <xtknight> i wonder if alex_mayorga is getting the same thing with his 1501 then
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> another dmesg
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> had the same stuff
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> with these two lines inserted in there:
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> [11941.102843] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> [11941.073362] APIC error on CPU1: 40(40)
[09:17] <paynito> is that an l in front of the etc?
[09:17] <paynito> or a /
[09:17] <xtknight>  /
[09:17] <kahrytan> Help
[09:17] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah i wonder what booting with noapic would do
[09:18] <paynito> there is nothing in /etc/default/locale
[09:18] <Zoem> /
[09:18]  * DanaG is going to bed now.
[09:18] <DanaG> Good nighty-oh.
[09:18] <DanaG> Sun Apr 20 01:18:13 PDT 2008
[09:18] <DanaG> yeah.
[09:18] <Riskbreaker> what is noapic?
[09:18] <DistroJockey> night DanaG
[09:18] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: http://pastebin.com/m2d89fe3f hope it helps
[09:18] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, disables use of APIC
[09:18] <Riskbreaker> OH OKAY THANKS
[09:18] <Zoem> Riskbreaker: it is a kernal switch to turn off apic timing, because amd boards often don't support it
[09:18] <Riskbreaker> i was kind of hoping for an explanation abouat apic too =-)
[09:18] <kaminix> My adventures in module land aren't going very well.
[09:19] <xtknight> chill
[09:19] <DanaG> I just hope my damn nvidia doesn't lock up again.
[09:19] <Riskbreaker> lol
[09:19] <Riskbreaker> i'll just wikipedia it
[09:19] <xtknight> yeah i dont see the errors on alex's
[09:19] <DanaG> I think I'll just switch off compiz for now.
[09:19] <Riskbreaker> in the meantime, how i turn this switch on
[09:19] <Zoem> paynito: please don't get mad at me
[09:19] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, probably not a good idea right now
[09:20] <Zoem> paynito: I don't know what else to do
[09:20] <xtknight> lets compare bios versions of you two ;o
[09:20] <Riskbreaker> 2.6.3
[09:20] <paynito> no, i think you are probably working and looking up something to help me, i am waiting patiently
[09:20] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, any ideas to fix my apic error?
[09:20] <paynito> oh, well, thanks man, it was a valient effort
[09:20] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, well yeah i was going to suggest noapic but i dont know, that disables a lot of other stuff too
[09:20] <xtknight> not a good idea in general
[09:20] <paynito> can i change it to french or something?
[09:20] <kahrytan> Can Someone please tell me how to get the URL panel back for Firefox?
[09:21] <Riskbreaker> kahrytan: right click one of the toolbars, go to customize
[09:21] <Riskbreaker> in the dialog that pops up, look for an "Address bar"
[09:21] <Riskbreaker> and drag it where you want it
[09:21] <kahrytan> Riskbreaker->  Onlything left is bookmarks  toolbar
[09:21] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,  alex_mayorga, sudo lshw|grep -m1 version
[09:21] <kahrytan> Riskbreaker->  and that doesnt offer that
[09:22] <paynito> i posted my error messages on the ubuntu forums
[09:22] <paynito> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4751036#post4751036
[09:22] <WaSrD> thoughts on why add/remove is freezing repeatedly?
[09:22] <Zoem> maybe if you sudo apt-get --reinstall locales
[09:22] <Zoem> errr
[09:22] <Zoem> sudo apt-get --reinstall install locales
[09:22] <kahrytan> Can Someone please tell me how to get the URL panel back for Firefox?
[09:23] <Zoem> WaSrD: you have a bunch of dead repositories?
[09:23] <xtknight> kahrytan, view toolbars navigation
[09:23] <WaSrD> I just installed fresh tonight
[09:23] <WaSrD> got 2 apps
[09:23] <paynito> E: invalid operation locales
[09:23] <Riskbreaker> you can't see the "customize" option?
[09:23] <WaSrD> and freezes now
[09:23] <WaSrD> how do I find dead?
[09:23] <DistroJockey> kahrytan:  View - Toolbars - Navigation Bar ?
[09:23] <kahrytan> xtknight-> doh... I have main bar hidden
[09:23] <Zoem> paynito: it needs to be the second one. I'm terrible at terminal
[09:24] <Zoem> even though I use it all the time
[09:24] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: a couple of things showed up momentarily, and thenversion:notspecified
[09:24] <xtknight> ah hmm
[09:24] <paynito> the second one?
[09:24] <xtknight> so you do have the latest bios?
[09:24] <Riskbreaker> it seems like it is the latest bios, the dell site doesnt offer anything newer
[09:25] <Zoem> sudo apt-get --reinstall install locales
[09:26] <paynito> sounds promising with sudo apt-get install locales
[09:26] <paynito> the following extra packages will be installed
[09:26] <paynito> tzdata
[09:26] <paynito> the following packages will be upgraded
[09:26] <paynito> locales
[09:26] <paynito> need to get 4016 kB additional archives
[09:26] <paynito> it's going at it
[09:26] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, cat /proc/timer_list |grep -i hpet
[09:26] <Zoem> lol, that sounds like a good paynito
[09:28]  * DanaG has one HPET and 2 lapic.
[09:28] <Riskbreaker> nothing, xtknight
[09:28] <paynito> i have 8 postcards sitting here already stamped if you want one pm an address
[09:28] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, ok you dont have HPET, there is a patch however to force enable it but you'd need to recompile your kernel, i think.
[09:28] <xtknight> that's supposed to help power use
[09:28] <Zoem> lolwut?
[09:29] <Zoem> postcards?
[09:29] <paynito> just as a thank you, they are from the great wall of china, but i live in shanghai
[09:29] <Riskbreaker> i am not proficient with compiling the kernel
[09:30] <xtknight> lol;p
[09:30] <Zoem> oh, thats ok
[09:30] <Zoem> thank you though :)
[09:30] <DanaG> damn dell.
[09:30] <bazhang> 1 MIcrosoft Way
[09:30] <DanaG> If they really supported Linux, they'd put a damn hpet in their dsdt.
[09:30] <Riskbreaker> i know right
[09:31] <xtknight> lol
[09:31] <Riskbreaker> no hpet in their dsdt. wtf.
[09:31] <Riskbreaker> omgwtflolbbq
[09:31] <DanaG> And no gigabit ethernet in laptops?  weaksauce.
[09:31] <paynito> 12 mins left on upgrade locales
[09:31] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, do you know if you're using a cpufreq governor..ok ill put that in english if youd like
[09:31] <Riskbreaker> powernowd i think.
[09:31] <RAOF> DanaG: Thinking about it, even without the configuration you raise a valid point; it's a bug that our screensavers have bad defaults.  We should fix that for Intrepid (and work with that guy to make his configuration editor useful).
[09:31] <xtknight> yeah
[09:32] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, do you know if it's actually throttling your cpu at all?
[09:32] <xtknight> cat /proc/cpuinfo  for instance
[09:32] <DanaG> I'll submit a bug for rss-glx, with a diff for the config file.
[09:32] <Riskbreaker> cpufreq applet on the panel says so, yeah
[09:32] <DanaG> Default to 60, and add a spinbox.
[09:33] <RAOF> DanaG: Well, we won't add the spinbox (without the config editor thingy), but defaulting to 60 is much much better than 'as fast as possible'.
[09:33] <DanaG> And enable nice.
[09:33] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, looks like for any further improvement you will have to recompile your kernel with the 'force HPET' patch and even then no guarantee anything will be better with the "extra timer interrupts".  what % is that vs the keyboard interrupts?
[09:33] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: it varies
[09:33] <Riskbreaker> quickly
[09:33] <Riskbreaker> every number i gave you was a ballpark figure
[09:33] <xtknight> read the keyboard one only when ur not typing eles itill be inaccurate
[09:33] <xtknight> like just let it stabilize
[09:33] <DanaG> Another useful thing would be to have screensaver thingy set sync-to-vblank for nvidia.
[09:33] <xtknight> unless it's constantly fluctuating
[09:34] <xtknight> even when you're idle
[09:34] <DanaG> FPS limit at 60 doesn't guarantee lack of tearing.
[09:34] <DanaG> Oh, and try solarwinds with Jiggly preset.  It's actually a health risk.
[09:34] <RAOF> DanaG: Quite true.  Do the hacks offer a --sync-to-vblank option?
[09:34] <DanaG> It's both nauseating AND seizure-inducing at the same time.
[09:34] <mcp_> Hi. The new CPU-usage graph is really nice looking, but also useless to me. When my system is idele, ive got 15% cpu-load @800mhz. As soon i switch to the cpu-load-graph, load goes up to 100% @2000mhz. Is this common behavior?
[09:34] <DanaG> Nope; just the nvidia variable.  :(
[09:35] <xtknight> vsync should just be in screens&graphics properties
[09:35] <Riskbreaker> yeah you're right, the keyboard/mouse stuff goes away if i dont do anything.
[09:35] <xtknight> or screen res whatever they call it now :)
[09:35] <Riskbreaker> but im getting 200 wakeups per second for extra timer interrupts
[09:35] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, well then maybe it is not a problem?
[09:35] <gabbs> Can someone tell me how to get rid of avahi? Its pre-occupying my ath0 interface (ath0:avahi) so it won't connect to my router on boot
[09:35] <RAOF> DanaG: Right, so fixing that would be to patch the hacks to use the ask for vsync.
[09:35] <xtknight> at least the kb
[09:35] <DanaG> It's both nauseating AND seizure-inducing at the same time. -- wow, that's quite an achievement.
[09:35] <DanaG> Sure, it's easy enough to be one or the other.... but both?    :Þ
[09:36] <DanaG> I think I'll file a bug on those bad defaults some time, unless you get to it first.
[09:36] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, seems to be a lot of results with inspiron 1501 and hpet
[09:36] <xtknight> positive results i dunno tho
[09:36] <DanaG> Flux looks most "tame" with the Regular preset.
[09:37] <RAOF> DanaG: I'm off to make dinner, so you'll probably beat me too it.
[09:37] <RAOF> s/too/to/.
[09:37] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,  supposedly there's a bios option for HPET.
[09:37] <DanaG> Eeh, going to bed now.
[09:37] <Riskbreaker> a bios option...
[09:37] <DanaG> And have to study for a Monday exam, tomorrow.
[09:37] <Riskbreaker> so should i be enabling it or disabling it?
[09:37] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, try enabling it
[09:37] <DanaG> (move 'tomorrow' 4 words leftward)
[09:37] <Riskbreaker> brb
[09:37] <DanaG> Good night.
[09:38] <WaSrD> thoughts why add/remove keeps freezing?
[09:38] <DanaG> Sun Apr 20 01:38:27 PDT 2008
[09:38] <DanaG> yeah, bed.
[09:38] <Lynoure> WaSrD: Synaptic or Adept?
[09:38] <DistroJockey> night DanaG again!
[09:38] <DistroJockey> :p
[09:38] <WaSrD> not synaptic
[09:39] <mcp_> RAOF, sad news actually. Especially because i really like the redisinged the resources-tab. Thanks for your reply
[09:39] <WaSrD> just the normal off menu
[09:39] <xtknight> mcp_, you just need to install your video drivers.  goto system->admin->hardware drivers
[09:39] <mcp_> xtknight, ive the nvidia-drivers installed
[09:40] <xtknight> and they are loaded?
[09:40] <Lynoure> WaSrD: oh, Synaptic then, Adept in KDE is actually called Adept in the menus too. Sorry, cannot help you then.
[09:40] <RAOF> mcp_: Yeah, the nvidia drivers really really suck at Cairo acceleratioo.
[09:40] <xtknight> i have nvidia drivers and no problem wit hit
[09:40] <xtknight> just looking at cpu load graph/
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> omigod
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> i'm so stupid
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> we've been talking about HPET for a while now huh
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> and we mentioned it stood for "high precision event timer"
[09:41] <WaSrD> ok...thanks.
[09:41] <xtknight> maybe?
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> and i'm sitting here like... i've heard this phrase before... where did i hear it before
[09:41] <RAOF> xtknight: It may depend on what GPU you've got.
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> well i looked it up on wikipedia and saw that's what it stood for. anyway, i had heard the phrase before but couldnt remember where
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> yeah it was a bios option lololollolol
[09:41] <xtknight> i hear gf8 is bad at 2d accel
[09:41] <xtknight> ah so did hpet help
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> my lappy is all quiet now, but still hot, which isn't that surprising at the moment
[09:42] <mcp_> xtknight, did you install your nvidia driver with the restricted-driver manager?   The nouveau drivers render that graph nice and smoothly with minimal CPU usage :P
[09:44] <Riskbreaker> and the keyboard entries still showing up in dmesg
[09:44] <xtknight> will gobuntu ever include nouveau?
[09:44] <xtknight> for 8.04
[09:44] <xtknight> seems .. expedient
[09:45] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah keyboard is normal . but that wont be happening during idling.
[09:45] <mcp_> RAOF, do you use the nouveau drivers? Are they already capable of some 3d acceleration (i really need tremouous support)?
[09:46] <xtknight> tremendous?  tremulus? either way prolly not ;)
[09:46] <Riskbreaker> this is pretty frustrating.
[09:47] <RAOF> mcp_: They _might_ run tremulous.
[09:47] <mcp_> tremulous was what i tried to type
[09:47] <popey> xtknight: there is a lot of discsussion about the future of gobuntu at the moment
[09:47] <xtknight> mcp_, nouveau wouldnt support it now
[09:47] <xtknight> it's very alpha for 3d
[09:47] <Riskbreaker> i think it has a lot to do with my laptop and its bios issues. so i wont take up any more of your time
[09:48] <RAOF> mcp_: The 3d support varies widely from card to card, and you shouldn't _expect_ it to work.
[09:48] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah well i enjoy debugging that stuff :p
[09:48] <RAOF> mcp_: But on my card, it runs ppracer, openarena, neverball just fine.
[09:48] <xtknight> well the 3d support still causes out of memory right until they use gallium3d?
[09:49] <RAOF> xtknight: Oh.  The non-galluim3d never really worked, and is totally abandoned.
[09:49] <mcp_> openarena should be pretty much the same than tremulous. I think ill try the novou drivers
[09:49] <xtknight> yeah i just wish nouveau would start consistently on my system.. grr.
[09:49] <xtknight> it did work for a while
[09:49] <Riskbreaker> well if i make any more progress i'll be sure to come back and let you know
[09:49] <RAOF> !nouveau | mcp_
[09:49] <ubotu> mcp_: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:50] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, cool.  good luck
[09:50] <RAOF> mcp_: Also, that won't do 3d; you need to grab the gallium-0.1 branch from the nouveau/mesa git repository on freedesktop.org.
[09:51] <Riskbreaker> hey xtknight
[09:51] <Riskbreaker> powertop... it's telling me something
[09:51] <RAOF> mcp_: Don't expect anyone in #nouveau to care if tremulous doesn't work - the 3d is known incomplete and they don't want bug reports yet.
[09:51] <xtknight> yeah?
[09:51] <Riskbreaker> suggesting that i use SATA power link management or something
[09:52] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, oh yeah there are a lot of suggestions, i mean you can try 'em all if you want
[09:52] <RAOF> mcp_: On the other hand, _do_ care if it doesn't work for 2d.  They care very much if the randr12 codepath doesn't bring up your screen(s).
[09:52] <xtknight> i dont think any are particularly dangerous
[09:52] <RAOF> mcp_: Because that code will be enabled by default soon, and then head into the kernel.
[09:53] <xtknight> nouveau is heading into kernel tree you mean?
[09:53] <Perun> does hardy has a xen kernel?
[09:53] <RAOF> xtknight: No, the modesetting code is heading into the kernel tree.
[09:54] <xtknight> !info linux-image-xen | Perun
[09:54] <ubotu> perun: linux-image-xen (source: linux-meta): Xen Linux kernel image. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.18 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:54] <Perun> oh ok
[09:54] <RAOF> xtknight: Or, rather, the modesetting is heading to libdrm, which will be merged into the kernel tree.
[09:55] <xtknight> RAOF, ah so like resolution changing and primitive 2d stuff but not a whole video driver?
[09:55] <Perun> whats better, new install or upgrade gutsy->hardy?
[09:55] <xtknight> Perun, new install
[09:55] <Perun> why?
[09:55] <Zoem> Perun
[09:55] <xtknight> upgrades can cause package problems and disagreements
[09:55] <Zoem> I ran upgrade->hardy
[09:55] <Perun> aha ok
[09:55] <xtknight> or unveil bugs
[09:55] <RAOF> xtknight: Not even primitive 2d stuff.  Just resolution changing, IIUC.
[09:55] <Zoem> and with the multiple updates... half my packages got borked
[09:55] <Zoem> so I fresh installed
[09:56] <Zoem> and it runs beautiful
[09:56] <xtknight> RAOF, well so right now drivers like "nv" that are in linux-image, what is in them vs. the xorg .so file?
[09:56] <kahrytan> Can someone tell me where libc-2.1 is in repos?
[09:56] <RAOF> Perun: Depends, basically.  New install should definately work.  Upgrades are supported, though, so it should also work.  It probably depends on how much time you have.
[09:56] <kahrytan> glibc-2.1
[09:56] <xtknight> kahrytan, ubuntu has glibc 2.7
[09:57] <xtknight> sure you need older one?
[09:57] <kahrytan> xtknight->  Yeah but game requires 2.1
[09:57] <xtknight> oh i thought that stuff was supposed to be backwards compatible
[09:57] <xtknight> hmm
[09:57] <RAOF> xtknight: Aaah, that'd be a framebuffer driver.  There's also various *dri*.ko objects, which the mesa drivers use to talk to the hardware; this is where the modesetting will go.
[09:57] <kahrytan> xtknight->  Enemy Terroritory
[09:58] <RAOF> xtknight: There are also plans for a nouveau framebuffer driver.  Someday :)
[09:58] <xtknight> kahrytan, oh ET definitely should run fine
[09:58] <paynito> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:58] <paynito> xfonts-scalable
[09:58] <paynito> E:Subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:58] <xtknight> kahrytan, just ignore it
[09:58] <kahrytan> xtknight->  Nope.
[09:58] <kahrytan> xtknight->  wont install
[09:58] <xtknight> kahrytan, aint believing that... it must be something else
[09:58] <xtknight> are you running 64bit?
[09:58] <xtknight> RAOF, so without the framebuffer dont the TTYs not work?
[09:58] <AlexC_> hey all
[09:59] <xtknight> or hmmm
[09:59] <Zoem> paynito: that is bad
[09:59] <paynito> hey AlexC
[09:59] <paynito> really?
[09:59] <Black_Magic> Hello
[09:59] <AlexC_> with Hardy, is it possible to rename my other mounted EXT3 hard drives/partitions? With Gutsy I could rename them to like 'web_dev', 'storage' etc, but now they are stuck on just '106.4 GB Media'
[09:59] <xtknight> obviously my TTYs worked when i used nouveau 2d but i dont know, it must be using a vesa fb or something?
[09:59] <AlexC_> kinda hard to remember which one is which just by the size of it
[10:00] <kahrytan> xtknight-> It is having problems loading libgtk-1.2.so.0
[10:00] <Dr_willis> AlexC_,  ive right clicked ->properties (i think) and under gnome i could change their names.
[10:00] <xtknight> kahrytan, what are you running it with
[10:00] <xtknight> kahrytan, type uname -a
[10:00] <Zoem> paynito: I dunno how bad that is, just bad
[10:00] <kahrytan> oh wait.... liibgtk1-2 isi n repo
[10:00] <RAOF> xtknight: No, that's not right.  You'll still have ttys, but with a framebuffer driver you can have 1680x1500 TTYs :)
[10:00] <Zoem> paynito: try rebooting again
[10:00] <paynito> rebooting now
[10:00] <xtknight> RAOF, oh dont think my video card supports those :(
[10:01] <AlexC_> Dr_willis, that is what I did in Gusty, however with Hardy I can only change things like Mount Point, Mount Options etc
[10:01] <kahrytan> xtknight->  huh what!? It's an installer
[10:01] <xtknight> kahrytan, uname -a
[10:01] <xtknight> just need reuslts of that command
[10:01] <RAOF> xtknight: It does, or rather, it could.  As long as it's got enough VRAM :)
[10:01] <xtknight> RAOF, it doens't have to bein the fb modes list?  i looked before and hadn't seen it
[10:01] <kahrytan> xtknight->  no need. Libgtk-1.2 deb fixed it
[10:02] <xtknight> man that guy really was against giving me his uname -a
[10:02] <xtknight> prolly installed some deb from sarge or something
[10:02] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:02] <xtknight> and rammed it in lib
[10:02] <xtknight> oh well
[10:02] <RAOF> xtknight: That's because you don't have a proper framebuffer driver, and will be using the vesa one :)
[10:02] <xtknight> RAOF, nvidiafb?
[10:03] <xtknight> not that i expect that to be good
[10:03] <paynito> still boxes everywhere after reboot
[10:03] <RAOF> xtknight: Maybe?  Dunno.  It'll break nouveau (and nvidia, I think), though.
[10:03] <xtknight> paynito, did you upgrade from gutsy?
[10:03] <Zoem> ...
[10:03] <xtknight> i mean like dist-upgrade
[10:03] <paynito> no from 6.06
[10:03] <xtknight> :O
[10:04] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: Version: Not Specified
[10:04] <paynito> using uprade-manager
[10:04] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, yeah he got that too.  dont wory
[10:04] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, was just trying to get bios version
[10:04] <xtknight> paynito, boxes where?
[10:04] <alex_mayorga> is 2.6.3 here IIRC
[10:04] <xtknight> ya that's what he said
[10:04] <xtknight> same and you dont have the keyboard errors
[10:04] <xtknight> it's weird
[10:04] <alex_mayorga> buggy dell bios
[10:04] <xtknight> yeah it's sad there's no way out of that
[10:05] <alex_mayorga> I changed my layout to Dell and it went away
[10:05] <paynito> instead of applications, places, system, anywhere that is inside the "finder" including :username and password
[10:05] <alex_mayorga> I remember I had those
[10:05] <xtknight> paynito, maybe pango is messed up
[10:05] <paynito> yes
[10:05] <paynito> pango is messed up
[10:05] <paynito> i have a ton of error msgs about pango
[10:05] <xtknight> i dunno i never tried this
[10:06] <xtknight> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libpango1.0-0
[10:06] <paynito> ok, trying that now
[10:06] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, shall I accept all powertop "advice"?
[10:06] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, you should probably be able to make an informed decision based on the descriptions it gives you
[10:06] <Dr_willis> I noticed on my laptop some powertop advice. was not doable.. :) it wasned me to enable some features that dident exist on the kernel..
[10:06] <xtknight> i'd say go ahead i havent seen it marquee anything deadly by me
[10:06] <paynito> couldn't find package libpango
[10:07] <dekela> Yo People
[10:07] <xtknight> paynito,   libpango1.0-0
[10:07] <alex_mayorga> I also have PS/2 taking 47%
[10:07] <dekela> I got a very strang problem
[10:07] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, but when you are not typing, is it 47%?
[10:07] <xtknight> !ask|dekela
[10:07] <ubotu> dekela: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[10:07] <dekela> I am trying to play a movie on Hardy
[10:07] <alex_mayorga> if I don't do anything is 37%
[10:07] <xtknight> yikes
[10:07] <alex_mayorga> and then firefox is 23%
[10:07] <xtknight> yeah the dell bios keeps sending keyboard events i guess
[10:08] <xtknight> inspiron 1501 problem
[10:08] <xtknight> must waste a ton of power
[10:08] <alex_mayorga> lame
[10:08] <AlexC_> with Hardy, is it possible to rename my other mounted EXT3 hard drives/partitions? With Gutsy I could rename them to like 'web_dev', 'storage' etc, but now they are stuck on just '106.4 GB Media' - kinda hard to remember what each is just by it's size
[10:08] <xtknight> truly
[10:08] <dekela> ok so here is goes: I open an avi file with (totem/mplayer) and it loads without an error, but dosent play, when I move the slider I see the movie frames but it dosent play
[10:08] <paynito> it's downloading 2 megs and will take 45 mins, update you later, and thanks
[10:08] <xtknight> damn
[10:09] <xtknight> paynito, 56k?
[10:09] <Black_Magic> so has anyone figured outb hoq to label partitions?
[10:09] <Black_Magic> s/hoq/how
[10:09] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: anything else you need before I go to sleep?
[10:09] <xtknight> Black_Magic, yes
[10:10] <Black_Magic> xtknight: How?
[10:10] <Lynoure> Black_Magic: yes, if ext3, tune2fs does a good job
[10:10] <dekela> here is the error from mplayer running in terminal: vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()!
[10:10] <xtknight> Black_Magic, nautilus, Go-->Computer
[10:10] <xtknight> right click rename it
[10:10] <xtknight> at least if you mean the same thing as AlexC_
[10:10] <AlexC_> Black_Magic, by Label do you mean give it a name, instead of just having to remember what it is by the size?
[10:10] <AlexC_> yeah, just checking ^^
[10:10] <xtknight> tune2fs gives it a filesystem label
[10:10] <Black_Magic> AlexC_: yea
[10:10] <xtknight> but wouldnt be picked up by hal i tink
[10:11] <AlexC_> oh, that is weird. I can rename them by going to 'computer:///'
[10:11] <xtknight> dunno
[10:11] <xtknight> dekela, echo $DISPLAY
[10:11] <AlexC_> no I can't, not supported hum ..
[10:11] <Black_Magic> it gives me Operation not supported by backend...
[10:11] <AlexC_> same
[10:11] <AlexC_> so install tune2fs then?
[10:11] <dekela> I tried mplayer -vo gl2 but get the same issue
[10:11] <xtknight> o
[10:12] <IdleOne> anybody in here using SongBird 0.5?
[10:12] <dekela>  echo $DISPLAY empty...
[10:12] <Black_Magic> AlexC_: Whats tune2fs do anyways?
[10:12] <xtknight> dekela, really
[10:12] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, I guess that if my putter won't go to sleep at least I can :)
[10:12] <paynito> no man 1.5 MB/sec adsl in shanghai
[10:12] <dekela> strange
[10:12] <AlexC_> Black_Magic, I have no idea, never even heard of it
[10:12] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, oh sorry.  dont need much else
[10:13] <AlexC_> xtknight, should we install tune2fs I take it then?
[10:13] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: shall I file a new bugger on this or should I chase Dell?
[10:13] <Black_Magic> where exactly does /// go?
[10:13] <xtknight> Black_Magic, AlexC_ dont think that does what u want.  ill find the answer in a sec
[10:13] <AlexC_> x1250, thanks =)
[10:13] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, dell
[10:13] <xtknight> ;)
[10:13] <Black_Magic> it seems trash  is at trash:///
[10:13] <alex_mayorga> how?
[10:13] <xtknight> i dunno :\
[10:14] <Dr_willis> isent that    i dunno :\\\
[10:14] <Dr_willis> :)))
[10:14] <dekela> xtknight: anyidea?
[10:14] <xtknight> dekela, DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -vo x11 file    ?
[10:14] <xtknight> :\
[10:15] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: OK thanks, have a great day/night
[10:15] <Black_Magic> lol
[10:16] <dekela> different error: mplayer: could not connect to socket
[10:16] <dekela> mplayer: No such file or directory
[10:16] <dekela> VDec: vo config request - 560 x 304 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
[10:16] <xtknight> dekela, seems like your X is messed up ox auth
[10:16] <dekela> But still nothing
[10:16] <xtknight> or xauth
[10:16] <xtknight> logout
[10:16] <dekela> Strange, Its a new Hardy Installation
[10:16] <bXi> hi
[10:16] <xtknight> AlexC_, Black_Magic still looking
[10:16] <dekela> Didnt had the time to mess with it yet.. ;-)
[10:16] <bXi> i'm having some issues with my wireless
[10:17] <Black_Magic> Okie Dokie
[10:17] <AlexC_> xtknight, ok
[10:17] <dekela> Should I tried to restart X?
[10:17] <xtknight> dekela, ya
[10:17] <bXi> i'm gettin glots of [  129.265643] wlan0: RX disassociation from 00:90:4b:22:6d:b4 (reason=7)
[10:17] <dekela> ok, Thanks.. BRB
[10:18] <xtknight> AlexC_, Black_Magic  ok
[10:19] <xtknight> sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_57759cc3_4510_4f25_a5b5_bb7ae54db500 --key volume.label --string ext3test
[10:19] <xtknight> e.g. ^
[10:19] <xtknight> a little complicated
[10:19] <xtknight> :)
[10:19] <xtknight> you need to find your disk's UUID
[10:19] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:19] <AlexC_> O_o
[10:19] <Black_Magic> WHOAH thats a big command...
[10:19] <xtknight> i don't even know if this is permanent
[10:19] <xtknight>  hal-find-by-property --key volume.labehal-find-by-capability --capability volume
[10:19] <AlexC_> talk about a step backwards ...
[10:19] <xtknight> to find uuids
[10:19] <xtknight> err    hal-find-by-capability --capability volume
[10:19] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[10:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:20] <xtknight> this one's a little diff
[10:20] <Dr_willis> or somthing like that.
[10:20] <Black_Magic> theres got to be an easier way >.>
[10:20] <AlexC_> why on earth would they remove the simple - right click rename option? That is crazy
[10:20] <xtknight> new gvfs (vs gio) backend doesnt support it
[10:20] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:20] <xtknight> i guess
[10:20] <Black_Magic> Thats too much to do
[10:20] <xtknight> many regressions due to gvfs
[10:21] <Black_Magic> jesus crist...
[10:21] <Black_Magic> thats too much..
[10:21] <eric> Well good evening all
[10:22] <eric> Or Morning or day which ever time it for you
[10:22] <eric> Anyone have any issues with upgrading from gutsy to hardy
[10:22] <AlexC_> xtknight, =( ok, well thanks anyway
[10:22] <Black_Magic> it could be because of scripts
[10:22] <hydroboy> anyone using the RC on an intel macbook?
[10:22] <xtknight> AlexC_, i might be able to make a script to make this more feasible
[10:22] <Black_Magic> same xtknight
[10:22] <xtknight> sec
[10:23] <dekela> xtknight: I am Back
[10:23] <Black_Magic> xtknight: Pythhon script?
[10:23] <xtknight> bash
[10:23] <xtknight> just a cmd really
[10:23] <dekela> Thank you.. The issue seems solved now echo $DISPLAY gives :0.0
[10:23] <dekela> Very Strange
[10:24] <kahrytan> How do I delete mount options for a partition? (not related to fstab)
[10:25] <kahrytan> Anyone here?
[10:25] <AlexC_> nope
[10:25] <eric> kahrytan, I see your on hawiiantel same here where you located?
[10:25] <xtknight> kahrytan, right click it in ComputeR?
[10:26] <kahrytan> eric-> makaha
[10:26] <eric> which island
[10:26] <kahrytan> xtknight->  tried
[10:26] <kahrytan> eric->  oahu
[10:26] <dekela> xtknight: Anyway.. Thank you!
[10:26] <AlexC_> xtknight, I have to go for now, thanks again =)
[10:26] <xtknight> yeah
[10:26] <eric> I'm on the big island in puna
[10:27] <Perun> is there somewhere a docu how to install hardy with debootstrap?
[10:27] <kahrytan> xtknight->  I screwed up and set invalid mount option (automount) in nautilus
[10:27] <kahrytan> eric->  and i got no idea where that is
[10:27] <eric> Where the lava flows daily :-P
[10:27] <Dr_willis> Perun,  ive seen some guides   befor..and they were a little scary. :) also a bit out of date. Not seen any new ones recently
[10:28] <eric> anyone have any issues after a gutsy to hardy upgrade with the gnome panels
[10:28] <kahrytan> eric-> and where you can buy real estate for dirt cheap
[10:28] <eric> kahrytan, very true lol
[10:28] <orvokki> How cheap is dirt cheap?
[10:28] <kahrytan> eric->  Just reinstall and use separate home partition
[10:29] <eric> it only happens on 1 profile though
[10:29] <eric> I have 2 profiles and only one has panels that I can't edit
[10:29] <Black_Magic> eric: did you try unlocking the applets ?
[10:30] <aldi1> can someone tell me how to stop X server on ubuntu 8.04 *live version i want to install nvidia driver
[10:30] <eric> Black_Magic, if I right click the panel in an empty spot the only option I get is about panel
[10:30] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:31] <eric> I know it's weird
[10:31] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to reset mount options in nautilus?
[10:31] <eric> everything else s working pefect
[10:31] <eric> I didn't know nautilus has seperate mount points.  I thought it was all done by the fstab
[10:32] <Dr_willis> aldi1,  you are using the nvidia driver isntallers from nvidia.com? you have tried the restricted-manager tools yet?
[10:32] <xtknight> Black_Magic, sudo hal-set-property --udi $(hal-find-by-property --key block.device --string /dev/sda1) --key volume.label --string XP
[10:32] <xtknight> quick way to label disks based on block device
[10:32] <ProN00b> can i somehow have ubuntu redo all the harddisk detection and setup and overwrite all potentially bad changes i did to files such as fstab and mtab ?
[10:32] <kahrytan> eric->  lol Properties on any media. You got mount options.
[10:33] <eric> ah that part I never messed with that option
[10:33] <kahrytan> eric->  I did.. big mistake...
[10:33] <Black_Magic> xtknight: thanks
[10:33] <aldi1> Dr_willis: i tried it wont i dont have it listet when i run restricted manager
[10:33] <aldi1> like in 7.01
[10:33] <xtknight> Black_Magic, is there a launchpad bug on that
[10:33] <eric> kahrytan, what did you change and what is happening?
[10:33] <Black_Magic> i dunno :/
[10:34] <Dr_willis> aldi1,  what is your video card? you could just do a 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new'
[10:34] <kahrytan> eric-> I added automount in nautilus prefs for partition
[10:34] <aldi1> Dr_willis: mz xorg.conf doesnt have driver line, why is that
[10:34] <kahrytan> eric->  partition that isnt in fstab
[10:35] <Dr_willis> xorg.conf is now useing a very minimal  'featureset'  most of the stuff auto-detects and auto configs
[10:37] <aldi1> Dr_willis: how can i change resoluton and driver, i have only 800X600
[10:37] <orvokki> Dr_willis: Meh, there were still bugs in it with Beta. I hope they're fixed.
[10:37] <orvokki> Dr_willis: Managed to get compiz to crash with one of those "minimal" xorg.conf's.
[10:37] <kahrytan> No one knows how to reset Nautilus mount options for partitions?
[10:37] <Dr_willis> aldi1,  once i installed my nvidia drivers.   the various tools let me change the res.
[10:38] <Dr_willis> the nvidia config tools are not installed by default either. they are seperate packages also i recall instgalling them also
[10:38] <orvokki> They are? o.O
[10:38] <naught101> kino isn't in the hardy repos?
[10:39] <orvokki> Oh, apparently yes. nvidia-settings seems to be the package.
[10:39] <xtknight> Black_Magic, did Rename work in gutsy?
[10:39] <Black_Magic> yep
[10:40] <xtknight> Black_Magic, ok i will file a bug
[10:40] <xtknight>  might need to put some volume.label property in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi permanently as well, not sure
[10:40] <Black_Magic> oksie doksie
[10:40] <eric> kahrytan, what is happening?
[10:40] <kahrytan> eric->  Nautilus is misbehaving?
[10:42] <aldi1> Dr_willis: i installed sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:43] <orvokki> nvidia-glx-new is imo a better first choice unless the card is rather old.
[10:43] <Dr_willis> I used nvidia-glx-new for my 8800gtsXXX
[10:43] <aldi1> i cant find nvidia.ko module?
[10:44] <IdleOne> where can I ask for an app to be included into Ubuntu?
[10:45] <orvokki> !packaging
[10:45] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[10:45] <IdleOne> thank you
[10:45] <bullgard4> What programs do evaluate the variable font-size?
[10:45] <xtknight> Bug 219836 Black_Magic
[10:46] <Black_Magic> whoah theres that many bugs :/
[10:46] <gnub_daemon> is there some trick to getting dvd playback in hardy?  I have all required packages installed
[10:46] <xtknight> yea hehe
[10:46] <kahrytan> And now mount says my partition isnt in fstab but it is\
[10:46] <xtknight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/219836
[10:46] <kahrytan> Hardy is still buggy
[10:46] <ChaosParser> gnub_daemon: what program are you using?
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219836 in gvfs "can no longer set volume label of hal drive through nautilus" [Undecided,New]
[10:46] <gnub_daemon> any
[10:46] <xtknight> Black_Magic, confirm if you can
[10:47] <gnub_daemon> vlc...mplayer...xine
[10:47] <gnub_daemon> mythtv
[10:47] <Black_Magic> means i got to reinstall gusty >.>
[10:47] <xtknight> Black_Magic, oh..no
[10:48] <xtknight> i mean just confirm it doesnt work in hardy.  all i mean is set status to confirmed on that bug if you have a launchpad account
[10:49] <gnub_daemon> they all give basically the same error
[10:49] <Perun> is kde4 in hardy already useable?
[10:49] <jussio1> Perun: Im on it, yes :)
[10:50] <ChaosParser> !worksforme
[10:50] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[10:50] <jussio1> Perun: you are welcome to join #kubuntu-kde4 if you want support for it :)
[10:50] <Perun> :)
[10:53] <WaSrD> when getting firefox flash player what do you choose to install? tar.gz or rdm or YUM?
[10:53] <gnub_daemon> it seems an update has fixed it
[10:53] <Dr_willis> WaSrD,  Hmm None of the above., You want to isntall flash with the package manager tools.
[10:53] <Dr_willis> !flash | WaSrD
[10:53] <ubotu> WaSrD: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:54] <WaSrD> ok thank you
[10:54] <Dr_willis> I wonder if the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package grabs flash or not.
[10:55] <xtknight> yup
[10:56] <paynito> pango fixed my boxes problem, now on starup i have an error box
[10:56] <xtknight> Recommends: flashplugin-nonfree, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse, icedtea-gcjwebplugin, libdvdread3, liblame0, msttcorefonts, unrar
[10:56] <paynito> the application nautilus has quit unexpectedly
[10:56] <Dr_willis> i have my own little scripts that install all sorts of stuff when i do a new install. i forget what gets installed by what.
[10:56] <paynito> restart application     close       inform developers
[10:56] <paynito> there is no way to get rid of this box
[10:56] <xtknight> paynito, i realy recommend a clean install.  sounds like yours is all messed up now
[10:57] <paynito> aw, shucks, picked the wrong time to pull out the power cord while it was on update 100 of 381
[10:57] <xtknight> hehh ermmm ya
[10:58]  * xtknight must go to sleep :)
[10:58] <pwang> now ya need to do dpkg --configure -a, eh, paynito?
[10:58] <xtknight> or even "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a" if it's really messed up
[10:58] <xtknight> but that cmd is like reinstalling
[10:58] <xtknight> ;)
[10:59] <kahrytan> eric->  hey?
[10:59] <xtknight> they really shouldn't make those so similar because ppl would swap those i'm sure
[10:59] <paynito> i was going to do sudo apt-get dist upgrade, it's asking to insert the cd, should i try dpkg first?
[11:00] <kahrytan> xtknight->  its 2am here
[11:00] <Niklas_E> howcome does thunderbird doesn't open url in firefox nowdays?
[11:02] <kahrytan> Niklas_E->  did you set prefs for preferred apps?
[11:03] <Niklas_E> can't find anypreferense for that
[11:03] <kahrytan> Preferred Applications
[11:03] <gnub_daemon> how about power options when I do ctrl+alt+del...all I get is shutdown, restart and logout
[11:04] <gnub_daemon> it should have suspend and hibernate in there too
[11:05] <kahrytan> gnub_daemon->  it does
[11:07] <WaSrD> can ubuntu desktop be configured as a DHCP server?
[11:07] <Dr_willis> WaSrD,  yes.
[11:08] <kahrytan> WaSrD-> yes and if you dont have experience in it ... firestarter wizard will help with it
[11:09] <paynito> running apt-get upgrade dist from root in recovery mode Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 351660
[11:09] <paynito> does that mean an error on my cd or on the hdd?
[11:09] <WaSrD> :) ok thanks for the tip...I wiped my longhorn trial and installed ubuntu today
[11:09] <eric> kahrytan, sorry stepped away for a sec
[11:09] <kahrytan> not wizard
[11:09] <kahrytan> eric->  you should register with nickserv
[11:09] <bullgard4> What programs do evaluate the variable font-size?
[11:09] <zeke> ok
[11:10] <kahrytan> WaSrD-> firestarter has prefs for dhcp
[11:10] <zeke> where were we?
[11:10] <orvokki> kahrytan: It's already registered.
[11:10] <WaSrD> it firestarter already locally installed?
[11:10] <WaSrD> *is
[11:10] <delight> anybody here got problems with running sun-java6-jdk on haryRC (arch: amd64)
[11:11] <Syntux> any idea how to dial to umax connection from Ubuntu ?
[11:11] <delight> I'm getting some strange error on java -version ... java is not able to locate a lib
[11:11] <delight> java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:11] <kahrytan> my bad .. its me
[11:12] <WaSrD> ...i see, so firestarter is a firewall for ubuntu, correct?
[11:12] <WaSrD> and it needs to be installed from?
[11:12] <kahrytan> WaSrD->  It configures  iptables
[11:13] <kahrytan> guarddog does same thing but more advanced
[11:13] <WaSrD> ah...I think it's already running....lol...moving at speed of stupidity...give me a day or two
[11:13] <WaSrD> :)
[11:14] <zeke> about power-manager and shutdown options
[11:14] <zeke> how can I get all the options to show up when I press the power button or ctrl+alt+del
[11:14] <Lynoure> I just heard some rumours about hibernation causing filesystem corruption in Hardy? Any truth to it? Which filesystems?
[11:15] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  and thats not a rumor I want to test .. production system here
[11:15] <zeke> possibly...I recently had to reinstall XP and Kubuntu on my laptop...though I think it was fsck that did them in
[11:15] <Lynoure> kahrytan: I've been hibernating about 20 times with hardy already, so far fine
[11:16] <mcp_> How do i disable tracker? I unchecked the entries in gnome session-editor. Trackerd still gets executed
[11:16] <Lynoure> kahrytan: mostly production here already, but I have lovingly done backups :)
[11:17] <kahrytan> Lynoure-> I am using RC cuz Mark considers Beta ready for consumers.
[11:17] <kahrytan> Well.. It was stable enough for it
[11:18] <Lynoure> kahrytan: I don't know Mark well enough to tell if I'd take his word for it =)
[11:18] <kahrytan> Just read his blog then
[11:18] <Lynoure> kahrytan: :)
[11:19] <Leeuw> anyone encountered the infamous 'failed to initialise HAL' bug with philips tv-card (713x) ?
[11:19] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  I miss the Hardware Info applet
[11:20] <ac3> anyone uses virtualbox-ose with bridge networking in hardy? This works when i use static ip´s inside the virtual hosts, but not with dhcp. (i do have a dhcp server on my lan, and dhclient br0 works just fine)
[11:21] <murlidhar> ok everything is fixed after partial upgrade.
[11:22] <murlidhar> except that internet does not work in the hardy kernel but gutsy
[11:22] <murlidhar> any ideas how to fix that/
[11:23] <murlidhar> i am forced to boot from gutsy kernel due to non-availability of internet
[11:23] <Lynoure> kahrytan: you said the hibernation thing is not something you want to test... But do you have any info on it? I only heard a very vague rumour, trying to decide if I want to stop hibernation as the result.
[11:23] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  Im new to hardy
[11:23] <kahrytan> If it works for you now.. chances are it probably wont
[11:23] <Black_Magic> murlidhar: are you sure you have restricted modules for that newer kernal?
[11:23] <kahrytan> could be hardware based issue?
[11:24] <Wilbert> goodmorning
[11:24] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, i am not sure  . where to check that?
[11:24] <Black_Magic> synaptics
[11:25] <Black_Magic> restricted-modules
[11:25] <Wilbert> hardware info is not any longer available in hardy?
[11:25] <murlidhar> one sec
[11:26] <Wilbert>  hardware info is not any longer available in hardy?
[11:26] <lumm> ive just installed hardy in a crypted LVM..
[11:26] <lumm> after first start i got an update for lvm offerd
[11:26] <lumm> now i cant mount the disk anymore :/
[11:26] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, do i have to search restricted-modules in synaptic or there is an option in repositories?
[11:27] <Black_Magic> search
[11:27] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  what you installing?
[11:27] <murlidhar> kahrytan, nothing i want my internet get worked in the hardy kernel
[11:27] <Black_Magic> kahrytan: hes not installing anything ATM
[11:27] <Black_Magic> i was having he check if restricted-modules where installed for that newer kernal
[11:28] <Black_Magic> that was my problem a couple mins ago
[11:28] <Lynoure> kahrytan: It worked for me on Hardy already... actually not at all on Gutsy :)
[11:28] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, restricted module -generic is installed
[11:28] <Black_Magic> murlidhar: are you fully up to date?
[11:28] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, yes
[11:28] <Black_Magic> whats the new kernal named?
[11:28] <Black_Magic> like is it -14 -15 or -16?
[11:28] <murlidhar> 16
[11:28] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  I use desktop
[11:29] <Black_Magic> well i tried sorry :/
[11:29] <murlidhar> no probs u tried :)
[11:29] <murlidhar> thanks
[11:29] <Leeuw>  anyone encountered the infamous 'failed to initialise HAL' bug with philips tv-card (713x) ?
[11:30] <murlidhar> kahrytan, any idea how do i make internet work in hardy kernel?
[11:30] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  no
[11:30] <Lynoure> murlidhar: that's a daunting task, the whole net :) (more seriously: what network card?)
[11:31] <murlidhar> Lynoure, intex ethernet
[11:32] <murlidhar> Lynoure, it works beutifully in gutsy kernel
[11:33] <Lynoure> murlidhar: rtc8139d or something else?
[11:33] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  did you hear .. I want to learn Pyton
[11:34] <Lynoure> kahrytan: You'll prolly have fun with it :)
[11:34] <orvokki> kahrytan: Ruby is also said to be nice.
[11:34] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  and ill make ubuntu python code my play ground
[11:34] <murlidhar> Lynoure, it is RTL
[11:35] <murlidhar> Lynoure, u want me to recompile the kernel??!!
[11:35]  * murlidhar is worried
[11:35] <kahrytan> You guys sure it's the kernel?
[11:36] <murlidhar> yes kahrytan since it is working when booting from gutsy kernel
[11:36] <Lynoure> murlidhar: I didn't tell you to do anything yet?!?!?
[11:36] <Lynoure> kahrytan: I'm not sure of anything yet.
[11:36] <murlidhar> Lynoure, i was worried
[11:37] <Lynoure> murlidhar: tune down your mindreadering, it seems jumpy =)
[11:37]  * murlidhar tunes down his mindreading
[11:37] <murlidhar> now it will be less jumpy :)
[11:38] <Lynoure> murlidhar: hmm, haven't found anything really interesting either way. Have you checked if there is a bug on launchpad on it yet?
[11:42] <Lynoure> murlidhar: do you have module 8139too loaded? (I think that's the right module)
[11:43] <murlidhar> Lynoure, ?
[11:44] <Lynoure> murlidhar: if you type  lsmod  do you see that module there?
[11:45] <WaSrD> ubuntu doesn't appear to be detecting any DHCP binaries what to do?
[11:45] <Lynoure> murlidhar: uh, some sources say that the chipset is really Silan sc923001 and does not work with 2.6 kernels, but if you had it working in Gutsy, that's weird
[11:45] <murlidhar> Lynoure, didn't find anything with 8139
[11:45] <Lynoure> murlidhar: try  sudo modprobe 8139too
[11:46] <murlidhar> i just came out
[11:46] <mnemo> does anyone know if there will be another kernel update before hardy is released? the last kernel update totally screwed me sound (alsamixer wont even start now, it says i dont have a soundcard) ...
[11:46] <murlidhar> it just came out did nothing
[11:46] <Lynoure> murlidhar: if it says nothing, it probably loaded fine :)
[11:47] <Dr_willis> check dmesg output perhaps
[11:47] <murlidhar> Lynoure, what is fealnx?
[11:47] <Dr_willis> I was thinking there was at one time 2 or 3 different modulkes for the 8139 chipset.  - I  had a system that worked with one. but not the other.
[11:47] <murlidhar> is it related to ethernet
[11:48] <Lynoure> murlidhar: it's a module for another nic, I think
[11:49] <murlidhar> Lynoure, well it is in my lsmod
[11:49] <murlidhar> list
[11:50] <murlidhar> so is it weird ?
[11:51] <Lynoure> murlidhar: some of the Intex cards work with that, it seems. (Never touched an Intex myself)
[11:51] <murlidhar> Lynoure, so fealnx doesn't work with hardy kernel?
[11:52] <Lynoure> murlidhar: I really don't know. what's the device id  lspci gives for your card?
[11:53] <kahrytan> i found a bug in hardy
[11:53] <murlidhar> 01:05.0 Ethernet controller: MYSON Technology Inc SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter
[11:53] <murlidhar> now thats weird i have an intex card
[11:54] <Lynoure> murlidhar: that was one of the cards fealnx was for, I think.
[11:54] <murlidhar> i have only one ethernet card
[11:54] <Lynoure> murlidhar: there should be a device id like 1904:2031 or some other xxxx:xxxx there too
[11:54] <kahrytan> Lynoure-> I play ET allot and now monitor keeps saying Out of Range ..as if..
[11:55] <Lynoure> murlidhar: oh, that's enough data, sorry
[11:55] <murlidhar> should i lspci from hardy kernel ?
[11:55] <murlidhar> and see what there?
[11:56] <Lynoure> murlidhar: no need to
[11:56] <kahrytan> Why would Hardy cause a game i play to be out of range for monitor?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> Its trying some mode  i guess that your monitor dont like.
[11:57] <Dr_willis> start the game in windowed mode perhaps and change it?
[11:57] <kahrytan> cant
[11:57] <murlidhar> or press crtl+alt+  +++/---- to decrease the resolution
[11:58] <murlidhar> or increase the resolution
[11:58] <Dr_willis> cant? is that word even ALLOWED in a Ubunut chat room! :)
[11:58] <kahrytan> It doesnt do windows
[11:59] <murlidhar> Dr_willis, any idea why my internet is not working when booted through hardy kernel
[11:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm... last i tried ET and most any of theother id games they had command line options for a windowed mode.
[11:59] <kahrytan> Enemy Territory doesnt do Windowed mode
[12:00] <Dr_willis> it may have command line options to select some other fullscreen mode also.
[12:00] <Lynoure> murlidhar: no further ideas, seems like a bit troublesome card but should work with fealnx, more problems than for most cards, though :/
[12:00] <Dr_willis> murlidhar,  no idea. sorry
[12:00] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  nope
[12:00] <gaminggeek> alt enter work?
[12:01] <murlidhar> gotta go srry guys
[12:01] <gaminggeek> sometimes that is toggle window
[12:01] <murlidhar> cya all
[12:01] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  looks like you are stuck then.. you might want to double check the et docs, or google a bit on it.     Or manyally alter the configs to change the mode the game uses.
[12:01] <Dr_willis> this is ET? or RTCW:ET?
[12:01] <kahrytan> Wolfstein
[12:02] <kahrytan> ETCW>
[12:02] <kahrytan> RTCW?
[12:03] <kahrytan> its not a game bug
[12:03] <kahrytan> since it works in Gutsy
[12:03] <kahrytan> Something in Hardy causes the game to break
[12:04] <Dr_willis> Wolfenstein™: Enemy Territory   - has a windowd play mode according to the web site. Good Luck.
[12:04] <kahrytan> dr_w and how?
[12:05] <kahrytan> besides, I want full screen.
[12:05] <rose> hey guys, my nvidia driver resets itself every reboot - with the nvidia installer and the restricted-driver manager installer too.
[12:05] <kahrytan> Hardy has a new bug that needs a fixin
[12:05] <Dr_willis> set it to windowwed mode, then try setting to some other modes to see if its just one specific mode thats causing the issue.
[12:05] <kahrytan> Outof range means I can't access prefs
[12:06] <Dr_willis> I recall some command line options to force it into a failsafe/windowed mode.
[12:06] <toogreen> ok here's my issue, i always had wifi working fine under Gutsy and even after upgrading to Hardy for a while, and then suddenly lately after an update it completely stopped working, i don't even see my card from anywhere... I think its an Atheros, the brand is TP-Link tho
[12:07] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  and there is no --help switch to the binary
[12:08] <Dr_willis> googleing for enemy teriroty command line options,  is getting a lot of hits.
[12:08] <kahrytan> Anyone else care to help me?
[12:08] <Dr_willis> i recall those games having so many  optins it was scary
[12:09] <bullgard4> My GNOME terminal renders the letters blurred. But GNOME displays all menu items crisp. Changing to other fonts does not help. Rendering=Monochrome. How to troubleshoot?
[12:09] <kahrytan> Google something is not an answer.
[12:10] <kahrytan> and two, command lineoptions could refer tothe in gameconsole
[12:11] <kahrytan> which is inaccesible
[12:12] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  and there is no command line options from google search. try again
[12:13] <Dr_willis> http://www.rtcw.jolt.co.uk/content/enemy_territory/cmdcvarlist/index.html
[12:13] <Dr_willis> you can set most of those options from the command line some how. or edit the correct .cfg file to set windowed mode.
[12:13] <Dr_willis> r_fullscreen  	ETMain  	Client  	Toggle between fullscreen and windowed mode
[12:13] <kahrytan> VIA CONSOLE
[12:13] <kahrytan>  that means in gameconsole
[12:14] <OsamaK> hello. could someone see this image <http://osamakm.googlepages.com/Screenshot-media-FileBrowser.png>, this is my media folder. I have an external hard-disk that uses NFST filesystem. Fpr some reasons, I have too many icons for it even it ejected! What to do?
[12:14] <kahrytan> And i dont want windowed mode... bug needs fixin
[12:14] <Dr_willis> "~/.etwolf/tcetest/profiles/your-profile-name/etconfig.cfg" and changed the line seta r_fullscreen "1"         I belve you do somthing like  '+seta r_fullscreen "1"' from the command line
[12:15] <Dr_willis> they work as command line options  also
[12:15] <kahrytan> again .. no windowed mode
[12:15] <sperry201> can anyone help me install Nvidia Geforce 6200?
[12:15] <kahrytan> it doesnt fix the bug
[12:16]  * OsamaK waits
[12:16] <kahrytan> Aloha benplaut_
[12:16] <Dr_willis> +set r_fullscreen 0
[12:16] <Dr_willis>   or +set r_fullscreen 1 to get to a windowed mode where you can then try the other modes. And you are right - this is just a work around so you can play the game.
[12:16] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  And I want full screen
[12:16] <benplaut_> aloha :)
[12:17] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  so it needs troubleshooting
[12:17] <benplaut_> where ya from, kahrytan?
[12:17] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  makaha
[12:17] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  set to windows mode.. try a different /lower res.. THEn try that different res as fullscreend mode. Other then that.. good luck
[12:17] <benplaut_> cool, kona here
[12:17] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  I tried 1440x900 . .native
[12:18] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  where is that?
[12:18] <benplaut_> big island, west side
[12:20] <axion> hello
[12:20] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  You know where makaha is?
[12:20] <rose> guys, how can i stop hardy reverting my graphics drivers every time i boot?
[12:20] <benplaut_> west oahu, right?
[12:20] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  yeah
[12:20] <benplaut_> are you a HOSEF person?
[12:20] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  Where all the natives seem to hang out here.
[12:21] <kahrytan> no and Scott seems to be making enemies
[12:21] <axion> hmm can anyone in here tell me where I can find the changelog for packages ?
[12:21] <benplaut_> heh :)
[12:21] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  i am on the mailing list for LAUA
[12:21] <axion> I have been having freezes with firefox/pidgin..
[12:21] <kahrytan> LUAU
[12:21] <axion> I solved it by stopping ufw.
[12:22] <axion> the freezes where so severe I had to kill -9 firefox/pidgin several time
[12:22] <Dr_willis> its odd that firefox and pidgin are both getting affected
[12:23] <axion> skype had no problems..
[12:23] <Dr_willis> firefox seems to contatntly have flash related issues..  havent heard of any issues with pidgin lately.
[12:23] <axion> and the load avarage would go beyond 5..
[12:23] <Dr_willis> You  enable ufw and firefox crashes on any web site?
[12:24] <axion> the ufirewall was causing the problems..
[12:24] <axion> upon doing /etc/init.d/ufw stop propblems where solved
[12:24] <axion> probably only happens with very slowww harddrves
[12:24] <axion> harddrives
[12:25] <Dr_willis> ok.. what would the hard drive speed have to do with any of this?
[12:26] <axion> well I am using a flash drive with 3 to 5 mb/s write speeds.
[12:27] <Dr_willis> well i was going to try to replicate your bug..but cant do that. :)
[12:27] <kahrytan> who?
[12:27] <Dr_willis> since i dont have a flash drive axion . I still dont see how the hd speed affexcts that.
[12:27] <Leeuw> anyone encountered the infamous 'failed to initialise HAL' bug with tv-card (Philips 713x chip) ?
[12:28] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  going to try ti replicate your bug also.. be back in 10 min.
[12:28] <axion> well I have a 1.4 Ghz lptop, with 768 MB ram 8 Gb cf hdd..
[12:29] <axion> and I had the same problem with 7.10 before I upgraded..
[12:29] <axion> well betagraded..
[12:30] <axion> until I stopped the firewall.. nothing helped not even running firefox without any plugins did not help.
[12:31] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> game is defaulting to 800x600. A game bug issue but it never caused a problem in Gutsy but it is in Hardy
[12:31] <kahrytan> i did /r_fullscreen 0 and restart  in thegame
[12:33] <kahrytan> It ignores all config prefs and always defaults to 800x600
[12:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm its defaulting to 1024x768 here
[12:35] <Dr_willis> I cant even get the game to go to 1680x1050
[12:35] <Dr_willis>  but i cant find a mode it cant handle of the options.. some however do not go fullscreen. they stay in windowed mode even if i say fullscreen
[12:36] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> Maybe it has to do withthe fact screen resolution cant be changed by the game when it starts?
[12:36] <axion> the compact flash hdd is a cheap 133x cf card available for $25 some internet stores.. combined with a cf->2.5" ide adaptor available for less then $5,- at some ineternet stores
[12:36] <axion> there are also cf->3.5" adapters
[12:37] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> It's quake based and can handle widescreen.
[12:37] <Leeuw> axion: how much meg/gig is that nifty li'l thingy ?
[12:37] <kahrytan> Prefs in game was setup for widescreen though
[12:37] <axion> 8G
[12:38] <Leeuw> axion: wow; where do I gettit ?   and what exactly is a cf card ?   like pcmcia ?
[12:38] <axion> reads at 14MB/s, only problem is it's sub 5MB/s write speeds
[12:38] <axion> compact-flash card
[12:38] <axion> Leeuw, you dutch ?
[12:39] <Leeuw> axion: oh....   didn know about the cf to ide adapters, thatś pretty cool, isn't it ?
[12:39] <axion> yeah..
[12:39] <kahrytan> Hardy doesnt seem to allow to to change screen resolution on start. monitor can do 800x600
[12:39] <Dr_willis> Yea it has a few widescreen modes..but not the right ones for my monitor.  -  i also notice i got no sound. but it did let me pick a lot of modes.
[12:40] <axion> well seeing as the cf connector is actually a miniature ide-connector.. and the adapter just replicates the pins without any needs for ic's
[12:40] <Dr_willis> i got a dvi monitor  - with a 8800gtsxxx video card here. -      i cant find any  modes the game can do that it  goofs up the display
[12:40] <kahrytan> fx5200
[12:41] <kahrytan> I dont like windows mode cuz the desktop is a distraction to me
[12:41] <kahrytan> windowed
[12:41] <Dr_willis> i cant even connect to any servers. they all want to download these mod packs - I rember why i quit playing the game now. Heh.
[12:41] <axion> Leeuw, can we chat in priv ?
[12:41] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  Jaymod .. get it.
[12:42] <kahrytan> Stable one is best. It doesnt changehow you play the game really
[12:42] <Dr_willis> !et
[12:42] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[12:42] <kahrytan> I didnt know et was valid
[12:43] <Dr_willis> I may not have the same vesion of ET.  this one says 2.55 -  i think theres a newer one
[12:43] <Leeuw> axion: thatś amazing... didn 't know that !
[12:43] <axion> aha Leeuw also on the isp of choice ..
[12:44] <kahrytan> I cant do the security fix
[12:44] <kahrytan> server i play on doesnt use it
[12:44] <Leeuw> axion: how find that out ?   Zit je in Holland ?
[12:44] <axion> yep
[12:45] <axion> but this is an english channell..
[12:45] <axion> etiquette would be to chat only english
[12:45] <axion> but to be exact: Zuid Holland
[12:45] <Leeuw> axion: hehheeh, and looks like you understand more about pinging and stuff than I do, or is it some IRC command I don know (blijf maar in engels, is beleefder hier)
[12:46] <Leeuw> axion: like I said...
[12:46] <it_rains> hello! anybody knows why my laptop can't make any sound?
[12:46] <kahrytan> It sucks that ET breaks in Hardy
[12:46] <Leeuw> axion: you have a clue about the HAL-bug I asked about earlier ?
[12:46] <axion>  well simply /whois NICK
[12:46] <it_rains> my laptop is B1906tu
[12:46] <it_rains> compaq
[12:46] <kahrytan> due to a bug in a bug in the game
[12:46] <axion> Leeuw, Hal bug ?
[12:47] <Leeuw> axion:  Oh yeah, I knew that...:-[
[12:47] <it_rains> probably it uses ATI SB450 or ALC260
[12:47] <axion> no Leeuw don't know anything about the phillips hal bug
[12:48] <axion> philips
[12:48] <Leeuw> axion: yeah; happened after updates; after a lotta searching in launchpad it had to do with tv-card , philips chip; took it out, all works.   Before: no initialise hal, noothing worked, had to reinstaalll at first...
[12:48] <axion> did you try enabling restricted drivers ?
[12:49] <Leeuw> axion: yep, but since no intialise hal, nothing ...   is there a restricted driver for philips tv-chips ?
[12:49] <axion> don't know..
[12:49] <axion> maybe you should manually load the modules..
[12:49] <Leeuw> axion: if there is, I could try install that before I puttit back in..
[12:50] <pen> is there a way to speed up compiz animation?
[12:50] <Leeuw> axion: thatś good idea; not so sure about how to do that...
[12:50] <pen> why some animations are so laggy, not smooth
[12:50] <Leeuw> axion: I was thinking compile new kernel with philips drivers in it
[12:52] <axion> maybe it has been blacklisted..
[12:52] <Leeuw> axion: loading modules would be easier; how do I do that so they stick around for restart (after putting card back ) ?   Or is that to complicated to say here ?   (then I'll google...
[12:52] <axion> try commenting the drvier in the blacklist..
[12:53] <Leeuw> xioblacklisted ?   as hardware for hardy ?   seems not likely... lotsa those chipz around.
[12:53] <axion> the laters update of 7.10 blacklisted all framebuffer-drivers..
[12:53] <Leeuw> axion: oh.. wait, I'm lost, where is that list and whatś it do ?
[12:54] <Leeuw> axion: is tv-chip a framebuffer driver ?
[12:54] <axion> so they might have blacklisted tv-card modules as well..
[12:54] <Leeuw> axion: makes sense...
[12:54] <Leeuw> axion: butta.. what where ?
[12:54] <axion> cd /boo
[12:55] <axion> sorry wrong keyboard
[12:55] <Leeuw> axion: yeah right...
[12:55] <Leeuw> axion: used to dvorak ? ;-)
[12:56] <Leeuw> axion: hey.. yer name is on my monitor !
[12:57] <axion> hehe..
[12:57] <axion> I thought of that name waaay back..
[12:57] <Leeuw> axion: the one that doesn't work in penguin... 3d screen... other longterm prob
[12:57] <axion> and entered in a contest.. which I might have won.. but I'll never know for certain.
[12:58] <Leeuw> axion: why ?
[12:58] <axion> because I think I used fake name-info.. who used to use thier real name on the internet.
[12:59] <axion> all that needed to be correct is your postcode and housenumber.. then the mail would arrive and you would know if the contest was genuinine or just a mail harve$ter
[12:59] <thompa> im having a couple problems. One file system check fails and I have to do ctrl + d always
[13:00] <axion> Leeuw, check in /etc/modules.d/
[13:00] <axion> you'll find some blacklists..
[13:00] <axion> check if your card is in the list and comment it out..
[13:01] <Leeuw> axion: ok...   will do ! thanx; have t' go now; will let ya know if I 'm back if it worked !
[13:01] <Leeuw> axion: eh... why blacklists ?   not easier to just remove modules ?   I don 't get the principle of it
[13:02] <thompa> on my box i have two partitions: one for 64 other 386. 64 has no sound device anymore and fs check fail on boot, 386 no automount of usb devices like walkman
[13:02] <axion> so you can uncomment the one you might need.. adn still have the module laying around..
[13:03] <Leeuw> axion: makes some sense, still don  really gettit though..   will do some googling.   thanx 'n'bye !
[13:03] <axion> thompa, try manually running fsck on the partition..
[13:03] <axion> laters Leeuw
[13:04] <thompa> axion: do i have to mount it live first?
[13:04] <axion> thompa, no a mounted filesystem cannot be checked
[13:05] <Leeuw> axion: massul !
[13:05] <axion> mazzel
[13:06] <thompa> axion: im wondering if I should reinstall instead. move all the files to the 386 partition
[13:06] <thompa> axion: on hardy in 386 usb devices wont work, namely walkman, its same on a couple laptops
[13:07] <thompa> they work in 64 though for some reason
[13:07] <thompa> maybe not after this update
[13:08] <thompa> I need to decide whether to keep 64 0r 386, since I don't want to be fixing both of these. right now the usb issue is showstopper
[13:11] <axion> just run fsck manually on the '4 partition when booted from the 386 partition..
[13:11] <axion> '64
[13:12] <thompa> axion: hey good idea
[13:12] <thompa> ill start there
[13:13] <Carroarmato0> How can I see if I'm using the release candidate and not the beta version?
[13:13] <axion> don't forget to make sure the '64 partition is unmounted..
[13:13] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  i think that little hardy et issue will be a pain in my side for rest of the the release
[13:13] <thompa> axion: yes thanks,
[13:14] <kahrytan> Anyone know what the UTc prefs are for time?
[13:15] <seamus7> hi all .. when I upgraded to Hardy I chose to keep my local menu.lst rather than allow it to be upgraded .. now I see that it's booting to an old kernel .. I tried 'sudo update-grub' and it recognize the new 2.6.25 kernel but menu.lst still lists an older kernel ... how can I fix this?
[13:16] <seamus7> I meant 2.6.24
[13:16] <kahrytan> I have this bad feeling that authorizations applet will be bad thing for Gnome
[13:17] <thompa> i wonder what the deal is with usb walkman though, here in 64 it comes up sony walkman usb 2, mount point /media/WALKMAN, in 3 other computers running 386 unknown device except i get a usb icon i cant open
[13:17] <kahrytan> One could .. almost set all apps to allow access and not need any password anything
[13:17] <thompa> this is worrying me, but nice to see 64 running better for some reason
[13:18] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     << that will force all things to RC
[13:18] <thompa> does this mean i cant use 386 on a amd 64? seems like it unless this bug is fixed
[13:18] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, or to the place they are at right at this time
[13:18] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: oh thx! I only did a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:19] <kahrytan> ompaul->  do you subscribe to irc council mailing list?
[13:19] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: hmm.... doesn't do nothing... seems like I'm already in RC?
[13:19] <ompaul> kahrytan, as I am not a member of the IRC council then I would not
[13:22] <Carroarmato0> Isn't there a script or a file I can access to verify that I'm currently in RC?
[13:24] <dns53> you can roll forward from alphas to what is current through dist-upgrade, if they are calling the current a rc then that is what you will get
[13:24] <hubuntu> when are the last changes for the RC applied in the ISO? Meaning when is the daily build actually final?
[13:24] <hubuntu> This is important for me to know because I will be sending CDs to a event, but I have to send them on wednesday, so it means I will have to burn them monday & tuesday... So are the last bits applied on wednesday? Or is it close enough to just use the ISO from monday?
[13:24] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, that would be correct you are at rc
[13:24] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, it is that simple accept it ;-)
[13:24] <dns53> they try not to add anything on the last day unless they really need to
[13:25] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: oh ok, thx :D
[13:25] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: hmm... Does the Pulseaudio server have any fancy interface to it, or is it just sitting in the background?
[13:25] <hubuntu> We will use 7.10 as the "starring distro" anyway, but I would like to show and install 8.04 to those who want to give it a shot. I guess then 8.04 from monday is good enough then
[13:26] <hubuntu> ?
[13:26] <dns53> well can you wait a few days? it is getting close but who knows
[13:30] <hubuntu> I'll test the monday or tuesday ISO and test it. If it works OK I'll just send that. We are focusing on 7.10 anyways... Thanks!
[13:34] <it_rains> LAPTOP(COMPAQ B1906TU),   SOUNDCARD(ATI SB450) my laptop doesn't make any sound. somebody help me please!
[13:36] <starscalling> rawr!
[13:36] <starscalling> when i open a new window its not selected
[13:36] <starscalling> what can i change to fix that?
[13:38] <ompaul> starscalling, work smarter not harder?
[13:38]  * ompaul runs
[13:39] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, no idea on your last question there
[13:39] <it_rains> LAPTOP(COMPAQ B1906TU), SOUNDCARD(ATI SB450) my laptop doesn't make any sound. somebody help me please!
[13:39] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: thx anyway ;)
[13:39] <starscalling> ompaul: just needed to restart X it seems
[13:40] <starscalling> who knows what got borked :P
[13:40] <ompaul> starscalling, did you update first?
[13:40] <ompaul> i.e before it borked
[13:40] <maney> well, Firefox 3 isn't exactly borked, but until the missing pieces catch up it's not useful to me :-(
[13:41] <maney> are they truly planning to carry a patched beta release through the life of LTS?
[13:41] <Hobbsee> very unlikely
[13:41] <ompaul> na the situation is that the beta will fix some security along the way so I can see it get replaced
[13:42] <maney> well, someday it may be useful - right now only one of the three extensions I consider essential parts of the browser has as much as an easily findable pre-release that works with 3
[13:45] <it_rains> LAPTOP(COMPAQ B1906TU),   SOUNDCARD(ATI SB450) my laptop doesn't make any sound. somebody help me please!
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan> i'm under kde4 now
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder if it's possible to apply the kde4 theme to gtk2 apps
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan> just like kubuntu/kde3 does
[13:47] <dns53> i think the engine has been delayed so i am not sure
[13:48] <yao_ziyuan> kde4 is still a mess
[13:58] <b4l74z4r> there's a bug in the "Listen" music player on Hardy; the next/previous track buttons doesn't work and when a track is finished playing, it doesn't jump to the next track, it just stops
[14:03] <ikonia> b4l74z4r: log it
[14:11] <yacc> Hmmm, I wonder what tool would be most useful for generating sprite animations?
[14:12] <rsk> yacc: read the wesnoth guides for spriting
[14:13] <dns53> for building the model or processing in a game?
[14:14] <jaffarkelshac> is there any video editor that supports ogg
[14:15] <dns53> is there a linux one that doesnt?
[14:17] <jaffarkelshac> none i have used
[14:18] <ikonia> jaffarkelshac: pretty much all should
[14:18] <ikonia> jaffarkelshac: although they will have had to have been linked against ogg or have a module system
[14:19] <jaffarkelshac> do you use any video editors
[14:21] <ikonia> not at the moment
[14:21] <ikonia> I do on occasion, but very rarley, I'm not a big video editing guy
[14:22] <khaur> installing from a usb stick is apparently still not officially supported by ubuntu in any way? anyone happen to know what's the best way nowadays to transfer the cd image into a usb stick?
[14:22] <thompa> i got 100% on cpu #2, evolution data server is only thing using 50% cpu
[14:22] <goodhabit> Hello. Help me please - after update from gutsy to hardy I cannot use two applications with sound, works only one. How I can set-up software mixing?
[14:23] <thompa> i never even opened evolution yet
[14:23] <kahrytan> thompa->  do you even evolution?
[14:23] <thompa> not yet, but i will
[14:24] <kahrytan> thompa->  I hate the program .. I plan to kill it
[14:24] <thompa> i just killed evol data server cpu now 10%
[14:24] <kahrytan> thompa-> I am thunderbird person
[14:25] <thompa> kahrytan: i have a complicated schedule
[14:25] <TuxIce> Intrepid Ibex is INtriguing
[14:25] <thompa> maybe will have to use kmail until this is fixed
[14:25] <kahrytan> thompa->  and google calander doesnt do the trick?
[14:25] <wigren> i have a minor annoyance. when ever i restart my laptop or log out and back in my screen brightness goes to the darkest setting. i have to use the function button to reset it. any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:25] <kahrytan> calender
[14:25] <ikonia> thompa: you could investigate sunbird ?
[14:26] <thompa> kahrytan: what eles is there, i just dont feel like being part of a marekting scheme with google
[14:26] <thompa> *marketing
[14:26] <kahrytan> ikonia-> good idea
[14:26] <thompa> ikonia: i tried it a while back, will look at it again
[14:26] <ikonia> thompa: it's in development and is progressing at a reasonable pace
[14:27] <kahrytan> Do you use ekiga, thompa ?
[14:27] <thompa> google mail creeps me out. I guess someone or something reads the messages
[14:27] <thompa> kahrytan: i will, dads in tailand
[14:28] <kahrytan> What? no skype?
[14:28] <thompa> hes using skype there on a powerbook, dont knwo if they talk
[14:29] <thompa> i still got some major bugs on hardy, but overall its faster and stable in some areas
[14:29] <kahrytan> If he uses skype then wouldnt it be better for you to use it?
[14:29] <thompa> usb and sound are broke on various machines
[14:30] <thompa> kahrytan: yah maybe, is it free too
[14:30] <thompa> anyone got a walkman here they can test with usb?
[14:30] <kahrytan> Skype to Skype is free
[14:31] <thompa> karmue: cool
[14:31] <CP2> Hello folks, I'm still using 10.06. Is a GUI PPPoE client been added to the newer versions of Ubuntu? Or is still necessary to use pppoeconf to setup an adsl pure bridge mode connection? thanx
[14:31] <wigren> i have a minor annoyance. when ever i restart my laptop or log out and back in my screen brightness goes to the darkest setting. i have to use the function button to reset it. any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:32] <kahrytan> CP2-> I recommend you get yourself a router.
[14:32] <axion> problem solved.. I hope.
[14:32] <ProN00b> i am getting an error "WARNING: Error inserting padlock_aes (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-aes.ko): No such device" when i am trying to do "modprobe aes", does anyone know what that means ?
[14:32] <kahrytan> CP2-> thats assuming you have pppoe dsl
[14:32] <axion> the firewall cf files where probably bad..
[14:33] <CP2> kahrytan: I could do that, but some distros like SuSE have a GUI client. It's strange that Ubuntu has never inserted a GUI PPPoE client. Yes, I have a PPPoE connection
[14:34] <kahrytan> CP2->  Well, a router would fix any need for a gui or login.
[14:34] <kahrytan> CP2-> Router logins  for you and all you do is connect to router.
[14:34] <kahrytan> CP2->  Nicer that way with live cds ... no special software. Just open firefox and surf.
[14:36] <CP2> kahrytan: I know, many ISPs in Italy send their customers ETH modem in RFC 1483 Bridged IP. A GUI setup would be must easy for some people
[14:36] <ProN00b> uhm, could it be that the 2.6.24 kernel in heron does not support aes-xts-plain ?
[14:41] <ikonia> ProN00b: can't see anything in the release notes to suggest not
[14:41] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone recommed a webcam that works seamlessly under ubuntu
[14:41] <ikonia> _Rambaldi_: most will do
[14:41] <ProN00b> hmm, then why does "cryptsetup -c aes-xts-plain -y -s 128 luksFormat /dev/md0" fail ?
[14:42] <_Rambaldi_> nothing to install? you just stick it and it work?
[14:42] <ProN00b> it works with aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 instead of aes-xts-plain
[14:43] <ProN00b> oh, keylength too short *_*
[14:45] <rohan> the ubuntu 8.04 cd by default has java installed? free or non-free?
[14:48] <kahrytan> rohan->  Thus far on my install... no java
[14:49] <kahrytan> There is java policy pref and java-commom
[14:49] <rohan> ok, so i won't need to remove it and then install sun java :)
[14:49] <ysk> i have kubuntu 8.4 and i want ubuntu desktop
[14:49] <rohan> ysk: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[14:49] <kahrytan> I did synaptic search for java
[14:49] <kahrytan> all there is java-common
[14:50] <rohan> kahrytan: there should be sun-java6-jdk
[14:50] <kahrytan> base packages
[14:50] <rohan> kahrytan: ah, sun java is in universe i think
[14:50] <kahrytan> and not included
[14:50] <ysk> rohan bhai mein nahi janta k kia kahani hai mujhey wazahat se bata saktey hain aap?
[14:50] <ProN00b> hmm, as a filesystem i use ext3, right ?
[14:50] <kahrytan> java5 and 6 are avail
[14:51] <ompaul> ProN00b, not a bad choice
[14:51] <rohan> ProN00b: yes
[14:51] <ProN00b> ompaul, there are no other choices, are there ?
[14:51] <ompaul> ProN00b, none that make sense
[14:51] <rohan> ProN00b: there are. reiserfs, ext4
[14:51] <kahrytan> ext3 is the default choice really
[14:51] <rohan> ompaul: why don't reiserfs and ext4 "make sense"?
[14:51] <ysk> rohan: i dont know i am windows user can u guide me what u just wrote what it was and how to do it
[14:51] <ProN00b> there is no mkfs.ext4
[14:52] <ProN00b> *_*
[14:52] <ompaul> riser has eaten my data in the past
[14:52] <rohan> ysk: open a terminal, type that command -- "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" press enter
[14:52] <rohan> ProN00b: yes, i don't think it's supported well yet, that fs is highly experimental
[14:52] <kahrytan> ProN00b->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems so you know what some of them are
[14:52] <rohan> usable, though not recommended
[14:53] <ysk> done
[14:53] <rohan> ysk: that's it, then
[14:53] <ompaul> rohan, ergo does not make sense ;-)
[14:53] <rohan> ompaul: :D but reisferfs does
[14:53] <ProN00b> i am thinking of using ext2
[14:53] <ompaul> rohan, I don't trust it with anything at all - xfs I would trust faster
[14:53] <rohan> though even that is unmaintained now, it seems.. and reiser4 is suspended i guess?
[14:53] <ysk> rohan bhai there are many updates and i opened it couple of minutes b4 to upgrade
[14:54] <ompaul> ProN00b, that would be silly
[14:54] <rohan> ProN00b: no, ext2 is not a journalling fs
[14:54] <ysk> and now there are many upgrading processes are running
[14:54] <ProN00b> because i don't really crash often so i don't need that journaling hack
[14:54] <ysk> should i restart my pc?
[14:54] <rohan> ysk: yes, you are installing the complete gnome
[14:54] <rohan> ysk: no, not needed
[14:54] <rohan> ProN00b: journalling is not a "hack"
[14:55] <kahrytan> ProN00b->  Just stick to ext3.
[14:55] <rohan> right
[14:55] <ProN00b> well, stuff is written to a journal instead of right in the place they belong, i don't get how that helps with anything
[14:55] <rohan> ProN00b: that's not how journalling works
[14:56] <ompaul> ProN00b, there is a reason things are default - learn the defaults then you can compare things to that - starting off in some pseudo experimental configuration is not a great idea
[14:56] <rohan> ProN00b: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[14:56] <rohan> A journaling file system is a file system that logs changes to a journal (usually a circular log in a dedicated area) before committing them to the main file system. Such file systems are less likely to become corrupted in the event of power failure or system crash.
[14:56] <Fraeon> Hmh, my RT73 stick and WPA don't mix apparently
[14:56] <rohan> that reminds me.. JFS is an option too! :)
[14:57] <ompaul> rohan, xfs tends to be good - this I can say from experience
[14:58] <rohan> ah yes, xfs too
[14:58] <ProN00b> rohan, don't you see that that doesn't make sense ? changes are just written somewhere else, corruption can occur there too
[14:58] <rohan> but most distros these days prefer ext3
[14:59] <rohan> ProN00b: did you read the complete article? the Rationale?
[14:59] <zionpsyfer> ProN00b: Trust me, as a person who has used ext2 quite a bit, and dealt with bad superblocks and an unbootable system... hours in fsck..  journaling is the way to go.
[15:00] <zionpsyfer> I've yet to have the journal cause me an issue.
[15:00] <Vadi> My friends X server crashes everytime the screensaver comes in and when he goes to change the screensaver too. What's the terminal command to change it without doing a preview? This is on an 'intel extreme graphics 2' onboard card, because ubuntu refuses to use the better ati radeon one
[15:00] <kahrytan> Thats something nice about Linux distros these days ...You don't have to sit and wait for hours waiting for defrag to finish.
[15:01] <rohan> kahrytan: you never had to!
[15:01] <kahrytan> in Windows. you gotta
[15:02] <rohan> oh, comparing linux and windows, yes
[15:02] <kahrytan> Linux desktop is more productive desktop because of the defrag need
[15:02] <rohan> anyway, i'm off.. cheers to ubuntu, can't wait for hardy :)
[15:02] <rohan> bye
[15:03] <Vadi> Or does anyone know how to get Ubuntu to choose a different card when two are available? Because that would be a lot better (he can't use compiz or any gaming atm)
[15:03] <zionpsyfer> Vadi is the one being used as default an onboard?
[15:04] <Vadi> Yeah.
[15:04] <Vadi> The other one is a Radeon 9200.
[15:05] <kahrytan> Vadi->  turn off onboard graphics?
[15:05] <Vadi> How?
[15:05] <zionpsyfer> BIOS
[15:05] <kahrytan> bios
[15:05] <zionpsyfer> If it isn't, in System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.  Does it detect both?
[15:05] <Vadi> We tried that on 7.10, it has a disastrous effect. We can try again
[15:05] <Vadi> Ok moment
[15:06] <sharperguy> can I use audacity with pulseaudio?
[15:06] <kahrytan> What happened
[15:06] <Vadi> kahrytan: the other one wasn't being used at all, and he got kicked into the terminal
[15:06] <zionpsyfer> sharperguy: audacity seems to work ok with pulse on my system.
[15:06] <sharperguy> zionpsyfer, well i cant get it to do anything
[15:06] <kahrytan> in Gutsy. Pulse dominated sound driver
[15:07] <kahrytan> preventing anyother audio app access
[15:07] <sharperguy> and it doesnt have an option for pukse either
[15:07] <kahrytan> it wouldntself terminate
[15:07] <zionpsyfer> sharperguy: despite its promises, pulse only allows me to use one audio source at a time.  anything else using sound?
[15:08] <sharperguy> not really
[15:08] <sharperguy> anyway if you set everything to pulse it should work, but audacity doesnt have an option
[15:09] <kahrytan> pulse sound preview wont activate with sound is used
[15:09] <zionpsyfer> sharperguy: Hmm, pulse appears in the Audio Output plugin list
[15:09] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: how can he tell if it detects both?
[15:09] <kahrytan> i just rested it
[15:09] <Bravewolf> Why hardy doesn't recognize my nvidia card (proprietary drivers not listed in the specific application in system->administration)
[15:10] <Bravewolf> ?
[15:10] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Hmm, it would have hoped it would have given you a list.  No?
[15:11] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: no, it doesn't. Should we try the bios now?
[15:11] <nemo> ok. why'd my 4 workspaces drop down to 2 in recent compiz updates?
[15:11] <kahrytan> does anyone know how to turn off firefox 3's live  bookmark search?
[15:11] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: do both cards show up in  xorg.conf?  Yeah, I'd try the bios first as that would be the simplest way if it worked.
[15:11] <nemo> they still show up in metacity
[15:13] <kahrytan> Has anyone went to about:config in ff3?
[15:13] <blotto> Passing arguments to a perl script that is called with backticks
[15:14] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: here's his xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m1b8407d4
[15:14] <ProN00b> why does mkfs.ext3 take so long ?
[15:14] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: from the looks if it I don't think it does
[15:15] <sharperguy> yay, the entire system froze and i had to hard reset
[15:15] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Agreed, all I see is the generic video card.
[15:15] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: So I'll tell him to try the bios now
[15:16] <sharperguy> thats happened like 3 times now since i installed hardy on friday night
[15:16] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: k, hopefully that solves it.
[15:17] <Bravewolf> Error in the post install script of acpid. impossibility to upgrade acpid. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63833/. Any tips?
[15:17] <sharperguy> even the boring elephants thing didnt work
[15:19] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: actually he says the onboard one is already disabled. But I told him to check and toggle it
[15:20] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: can you run : sudo fuser -v /proc/acpi/event ?  Something is using that file.
[15:20] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Yeah, if he's getting video out of it.....  Or is he plugged into the radeon?
[15:21] <murlidhar> my internet is not working with hardy kernel
[15:21] <murlidhar> but with gutys kernel it works fine
[15:21] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: both cards are plugged in
[15:21] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: /proc/acpi/event:    root       7989 f.... acpid
[15:22] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  I mean to the monitor. If the onboard is plugged into a monitor, he should unplug it.
[15:22] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: so? I've tried both i386 and amd64 without success
[15:22] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: You mean there's a cable for each card?
[15:22] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: sorry, laptop user here
[15:23] <murlidhar> my internet is not working with hardy kernel
[15:23] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: if a process is using that file, it blocks access to other processes.  We need to stop whatever is using it.  Temporarily so that you can finish the install.
[15:23] <filthpig_> hiya, I have an ironic kind of problem: When I partitioned my hdd a few months ago, I wanted / to be small, so that I could dedicate as much space as possible to my /home partition. When I now try to dist-upgrade to hardy, I get a message claiming "not enough space on disk", because the /tmp folder is on the / partition and I only have approx. 1 gb free space there...... is there some way to tell the upgrade tool to use a folder on my /home
[15:23] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: No, I mean his monitor cable, that plugs into the video card.  He needs to verify which video card the monitor is plugged into.
[15:24] <blotto> my internet is not working with hardy kernel.. but with gutys kernel it works fine
[15:24] <blotto> use apt with -d to d/l only
[15:24] <murlidhar> blotto, ?
[15:25] <murlidhar> could get what u were saying
[15:25] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: i tried to stop acpid (/etc/init.d/acpid stop) without success
[15:25] <murlidhar> could NOT get what u were saying
[15:25] <murlidhar> blotto, could NOT get what u were saying
[15:26] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: What was the error?
[15:27] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63833/plain/
[15:27] <murlidhar> blotto, my internet works only when i boot from gutsy kernel
[15:27] <murlidhar> blotto, my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:28] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: he says he's now on his onboard ones, and ubuntu went into the low graphics mode
[15:28] <blotto>  ?. could get what u were saying
 blotto, my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:29] <blotto> Error in the post install script of acpid. impossibility to upgrade acpid. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63833/. Any tips?
[15:29] <murlidhar> blotto, sorry for my english
[15:29] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: Can you try stopping acpid and acpi-support from a terminal.  '/etc/init.d/acpid stop'
[15:29] <blotto>  my internet works only when i boot from gutsy kernel.. blotto, my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:30] <murlidhar> does anyone has a solution for my problem?
[15:30] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: yet done. no success
[15:30] <blotto> does anyone have any ideas of how i can get my sound to work?
[15:30] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  He needs to NOT plug his monitors into the onboard card. He needs to plug in the monitor to the video card he wants to use.
[15:31] <ProN00b> uuhm, can anyone tell me why my newly created totally empty ext3 filesystem got 46gb "used" ?
[15:32] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: I'll try to search in the bts
[15:32] <_Lucretia_> ok, kind of got my x working. I've got 3D acceleration, the keymap is still broken and the screen is bigger than it should be, i.e. it's like there's a virtual size set
[15:32] <_Lucretia_> but I can't actually scroll around the area
[15:32] <murlidhar> my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:33] <Gnimsh> hi
[15:33] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: what does lsof /proc/acpi/event give?
[15:33] <Gnimsh> anyone else have issues with audio?
[15:33] <murlidhar> me here
[15:33] <Gnimsh> murlidhar, what kind of issues?
[15:33] <_Lucretia_> ok, that's wierd, opened the screen resolution app and it fixed the display size
[15:33] <murlidhar> i had issues with audio
[15:33] <blotto> anyone else having issues with "move to trash" not showing up in the trashcan but actualy being in ~/.Trash and notbeing able to empty the trach from right clicking ?
[15:33] <Gnimsh> I've got pulseaudio enabled, and have skype/twinkle set to use the default device
[15:34] <_Lucretia_> zub: if you're there, can you help?
[15:34] <murlidhar> it got solved when i fully upgraded and updated
[15:34] <Gnimsh> but in order to use audio in one I have to close all other devices trying to use the sound application
[15:34] <Gnimsh> I'm in 8.04 myself...ran the update manager this morning
[15:34] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: acpid   23249 root    3r   REG    0,3    0<PHONE_NUMBER> /proc/acpi/event
[15:34] <blotto> anyone else have issues with audio?
[15:35] <Gnimsh> I'm actually starting to get really fed up with it
[15:35] <blotto> is there some easy way to tell what application is using my hard disk? it's been thrashing for about half an hour or so
[15:35] <Gnimsh> I wouldn't have this problem if I could connect to my bluetooth headset, but there's been a bug and its not fixed yet, but is committed for the final release.
[15:35] <bazhang> blotto: top
[15:35] <murlidhar> is blotto a mad bot?
[15:35] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: this is ugly, but try a killall acpid
[15:36] <Gnimsh> I personally think its ridiculous that a modern OS can't share the audio devices between many applications at once
[15:36] <blotto> another bot?
[15:36] <Gnimsh> I have to turn off firefox and npviewer to make a phone call, or close rhythmbox to watch a movie...  it just doesn't make sense
[15:36] <Gnimsh> murlidhar, are those the kinds of issues you were having as well?
[15:36]  * murlidhar kicks blotto
[15:36] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: I tried kill 23249 (acpid PID), but it doesn't work. In my opinion it's a bug of acpid post install script. With hardy beta it works perfectly
[15:37] <PriceChild> Gnimsh: i don't have that problem
[15:37] <bazhang> Gnimsh: using oss?
[15:37] <murlidhar> Gnimsh, no my audio wasn't working at all
[15:37] <Gnimsh> using pulseaudio
[15:37] <murlidhar> my internet is not working with hardy kernel
[15:37] <murlidhar> now
[15:37] <Gnimsh> ah
[15:37] <PriceChild> murlidhar: what do you mean 'internet' ?
[15:37] <PriceChild> wireless card, ethernet?
[15:37] <Gnimsh> I'm actually considering going back to windows now
[15:37] <murlidhar> PriceChild, ethernet
[15:38] <PriceChild> murlidhar: have you filed a bug?
[15:38] <PriceChild> (don't try now)
[15:38] <Gnimsh> its so difficult to make and receive phone calls, and when my computer is my only way to do that, its a problem.
[15:38] <Vadi> Gnimsh: I'd just downgrade to the current stable release if I were you.
[15:38] <murlidhar> PriceChild, no but lspci gives me this  01:05.0 Ethernet controller: MYSON Technology Inc SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter
[15:38] <Gnimsh> is there a way to do that without reinstalling?
[15:38] <PriceChild> Vadi: that is a good point.. why is he using hardy on a machine he 'needs' to be able to make phone calls from...
[15:38] <Vadi> Gnimsh: I doubt any OS can do that.
[15:38] <Gnimsh> I upgraded cuz I had video issues in the last one, certain programs would not run.
[15:38] <blotto>  user:group, should i put the groups as admin or users
[15:38] <Gnimsh> ya, that's what I was afraid of.
[15:39] <Vadi> Gnimsh: The warning was clear though not to test if you need the machine. :|
[15:39] <blotto> bazhang: then select macbook
[15:39] <murlidhar> what is blotto is doing here
[15:39] <PriceChild> murlidhar: when launchpad comes back online, you should consider filing a bug and trying to help get things fixed rather than just complaining here.
[15:39] <Gnimsh> eh, at that point I had nothing to lose as 7.10 wasn't exactly working how I wanted either
[15:39] <PriceChild> blotto: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:39] <bazhang> blotto: not sure what you mean
[15:39] <Gnimsh> now the video issue is fixed and I can use my audio, just one problem at a time.
[15:40] <murlidhar> PriceChild, i think i was missing some settting that was not letting me to  connect to the interne
[15:40] <Gnimsh> I kinda doubt that this audio issue will be fixed though because it seems to be more a trademark of linux than a bug
[15:40] <PriceChild> murlidhar: so the card works fine?
[15:40] <murlidhar> PriceChild, yes of course it is . i am using the same card from gutsy kernel
[15:40] <Vadi> Gnimsh: Sure thing, but it's failing to represent it here. I'm feeling left out now...
[15:40] <blotto> there really is not much of a market in data destruction. yet.
[15:41] <murlidhar> PriceChild, i just have to use gutsy kernel to use internet
[15:41] <Gnimsh> So you're saying that you do not have this problem
[15:41] <bazhang> blotto: do you have an actual computer support issue?
[15:41] <PriceChild> murlidhar: gutsy kernel on a hardy install, so does the interface get shown in ifconfig on hardy?
[15:41] <Vadi> Gnimsh: Of course
[15:41] <PriceChild> blotto: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:41] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: edge is online.  ish.
[15:41] <blotto> my internet is not working with hardy kernel.. but with gutys kernel it works fine
[15:42] <PriceChild> blotto: could you pastebin lsb_release -a please?
[15:42] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: doubt these people have access to edge :/
[15:42] <Gnimsh> vadi, could you run skype and youtube and rhythmbox all at the same time and see what happens?
[15:42] <murlidhar> PriceChild, i didn't check but network manager on the panel shows settings  there
[15:42] <Gnimsh> set pulseaudio as your default
[15:42] <bazhang> blotto: that sounds like someone else's issue
[15:43] <murlidhar> PriceChild, blotto is is a bot he is just repeating what i said and what other say
[15:43] <murlidhar> blotto is a mad bot
[15:43] <Vadi> Gnimsh: I don't have skype, but youtube and rhythmbox do work at the same time along with mumble. I'm not sure what's my default sound thing is though (I just left it as it is, because it's workign)
[15:44] <Gnimsh> well could you look at least? system>pref>sound
[15:44] <bazhang> Gnimsh: would not skype cut those others off so that you could hear the call? that would make the most sense
[15:45] <Gnimsh> it didn't...I tried to make a call this morning and I heard the ringing and then it went silent halfway through
[15:45] <Vadi> Gnimsh: Which category am i looking at
[15:45] <PriceChild> skype doesn't play nice with pulseaudio.....
[15:45] <Gnimsh> I could neither hear the other person or be heard
[15:45] <Vadi> Gnimsh: it says "autodetect" for all of them
[15:45] <Gnimsh> ok
[15:45] <PriceChild> that's not a problem with it being 2 apps at once... it just doesn't play nice
[15:45] <Vadi> Gnimsh: and ALSA for sound capture.
[15:45] <Gnimsh> maybe I shall try that
[15:46] <Widget> Hardy heron comes with kde4 too doesn't it ?
[15:46] <Widget> or is it only gnome
[15:46] <PriceChild> and if you start skype first, it'll grab alsa, preventing pulseaudio doing its thing for other apps
[15:46] <bazhang> Widget: the non lts
[15:46] <kahrytan> Widget->  not exactly
[15:47] <topyli> Widget: there's kubuntu with kde3 and a separate kde4 version afaik
[15:47] <kahrytan> Widget-> kubuntu has two cds .. kde 4 and 3.5
[15:47] <Gnimsh> hrm.
[15:47] <Gnimsh> right now skype isn't even turned on
[15:47] <Gnimsh> and twinkle can't connect to alsa devices
[15:47] <kahrytan> kde3 and kd4 two separate cds
[15:47] <Gnimsh> and...
[15:47] <Gnimsh> I found npviewer.bin is still running even though I have no flash videos open.
[15:47] <Widget> ah k
[15:48] <PriceChild> Gnimsh: close firefox
[15:48] <Gnimsh> and it works after I kill npviewer
[15:49] <Gnimsh> I understand why you want me to close firefox but really, why should I have to stop browsing just to take a phone call? or get some other audio application to work
[15:50] <PriceChild> pretty sure because you've broken something
[15:50] <Gnimsh> no, I said it worked after closing npviwer
[15:50] <Gnimsh> viewer*
[15:50] <Gnimsh> If I did, what kind of thing could it have been?
[15:52] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: he plugged the radeon in and disabled intel in bios, and says resolution is better. What now?
[15:55] <Gnimsh> http://www.everything2.com/e2node/Software%2520mixing%2520under%2520Linux
[15:55] <Gnimsh> I just did that, and I think it worked
[15:56] <Gnimsh> skype and twinkle all work while music is playing
[15:57] <Gnimsh> can't get audio from a video file while music's playing, but when would I ever really wanna do that anyway...
[15:57] <bazhang> Gnimsh: so sticking with linux after all?
[15:58] <Gnimsh> well, we'll see if it sticks when I restart
[15:58] <Gnimsh> some times that kind of thing is tricky, in my experience
[15:58] <Gnimsh> I would much rather stay with linux than windows at this point
[15:58] <Gnimsh> I tried reinstalling it the other day, was told my "my music" folder was corrupt...there was only the example folder in it
[15:58] <Gnimsh> and then the task manager was corrupt
[15:58] <Gnimsh> and I love not having to install drivers
[15:59] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: what is npviewer.bin?
[15:59] <Gnimsh> that was the reason I switched back in January again was because I didn't have the right drivers for XP for my laptop, since it was only bundled with vista.
[15:59] <Gnimsh> flash player
[15:59] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: Now he needs to make sure that the drivers and modules are installed for his card so he can get 3d acceleration.
[16:00] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: oh right, thanks
[16:00] <Gnimsh> _Lucretia_,  if you've ever noticed after playing a flash video or something and your system starts to hang after you close it, its almost always npviwer
[16:00] <Gnimsh> +e
[16:00] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: not everything hangs, just FF
[16:01] <Gnimsh> ok I need to go for a walk, its warm outside and cold inside
[16:01] <bazhang> why bother with that? just get youtube-dl
[16:01] <mRSerii> someine use zen kernel?