[01:17] <micahg> knome: new needed dependencies mostly
[02:05] <micahg> knome: there are probably a few things we can drop, but idk if I can get us back to CD size on amd64 without dropping more functionality
[02:05] <micahg> I'll keep trying though
[02:24] <micahg> knome: mr_pouit: ochosi: do we need gtk2-engines if we have gtk2-engines-murrine and gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[09:29] <FlowRiser> hey all, i have a question regarding deploying a app to the xfce desktop environment. I want to make a qt/qml launcher for the xfce desktop environment, how can i make my app behave like the xfce4-panel ?
[09:46] <FlowRiser> knome ? Can i get your opinion on the above question ? :D
[10:48] <mr_pouit> micahg: I think murrine+pixbuf is enough
[14:14] <micahg> do we need the tango icon theme?
[15:11] <ochosi> micahg: i don't think so, hicolor and elementary-xfce should suffice
[15:11] <micahg> ochosi: ok, dropping, thanks
[15:11] <ochosi> micahg: but i can check again to be sure ;)
[15:12] <ochosi> wait, i don't even have that installed, are you talking about 12.04 or 12.10?
[15:12] <micahg> ochosi: heh, we already dropped that, I was looking at an old revision
[15:12] <ochosi> yeah
[15:13] <ochosi> cause that was one of the targets of the previous release, being able to get rid of the gnome and tango-icon-themes


[01:14] <Nosophorus> hello, guys!
[03:21] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> hello ouroumov
[03:21] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> if you are here that is
[03:22] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> so is anyone around that has much experience with UM
[05:46] <mate|95968> anyone here?
[05:49] <mate|95968> I've got a question on networking
[07:08] <fifty-sevenC> Hello
[09:17] <open_coder> keep calm and use ubuntu MATE
[09:50] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, you know if the Ubuntu guys plan on changing the default 90s timeout on systemd shutdown to something more reasonable for 16.04.1 ?
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> I don't, I'll see if I can find out.
[09:54] <ouroumov> Thanks
[10:24] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, Why does you want the timeout changing?
[10:25] <flexiondotorg> And there are no plans to change it.
[10:29] <abhishek_> hi
[10:33] <anotherNoob> hi is anyone around?
[10:35] <Guest26133> hi guys!
[10:35] <amotherNoob> hiya
[10:36] <Guest26133> I just installed ubuntu-mate on my raspberry pi. The monitor has display of 1920x1080 but in settings it is 1824x984 and I can't change it.
[10:37] <Guest26133> any ideas?
[10:38] <anotherNoob> I don't think there are many people around atm
[10:38] <anotherNoob> I'm a noob as my nick shows, so I can't be of any help ;-)
[10:39] <anotherNoob> nut just wait, someone may be here sooner or later
[10:39] <Guest26133> okay thanks!
[10:42] <anotherNoob> would it help to edit the config.txt file display setting in the pi?
[10:49] <Guest26133> anotherNoob, I trying that only
[10:49] <Guest26133> *am
[10:51] <Guest26133> anotherNoob, how to I edit it as root
 ouroumov, Why does you want the timeout changing? -> The systemd default is set to 90s. Thing is there's a lot of times when during the shutdown sequence one process attempts to clean up after receiving the SIGTERM. timeout dictates the delay between SIGTERM and SIGKILL. 90s might make sense in a server settings, but the effect on desktop users is not good at all. Some people have to wait one minute and a half for
[11:30] <ouroumov> their computer to power down. This is windows-like shutdown speed.
[11:32] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, changing to a smaller timeout is a matter of editing a config file ( /etc/systemd/system.conf )
[11:34] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1457400
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, I suggest you discuss this with pitti in #ubuntu-devel. He is the systemd maintainer for Debian and Ubuntu.
[11:35] <ouroumov> Will attempt to do so, thanks
[11:48] <ouroumov> Well, that's too bad, but I see his point.
[11:50] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, you think maybe changing that config file could be implemented as a one-click action in Boutique -> Fixes?
[11:53] <nmoi> bonjour, on parle aussi français sur #ubuntu-mate
[11:53] <ouroumov> nmoi, on peut
[11:53] <ouroumov> T'as un problème particulier nmoi ?
[11:54] <nmoi> oui mes notification pour le gestionnaire de mise a jour ne fonctionne pas .
[11:55] <nmoi> je suis sur ubuntu mate 16.04
[11:57] <ouroumov> nmoi, vérifie que l'application "Update Notifier" (je sais pas comment c'est traduit en fr) est cochée dans la liste des applications au démarrage (System -> Preferences -> Personal -> Startup Applications)
[12:01] <nmoi> oui j'ai verifié ,il est coché . Au demarrage de mon pc j'ai ,un message d'erreur. quand je desactive update notifier je n'ai plus cette erreur
[12:02] <ouroumov> nmoi, ouvre un terminal et tape "ls /var/crash", et dis mois si tu as des fichiers qui apparaissent
[12:04] <nmoi> _usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash  _usr_bin_mate-panel.1000.crash
[12:04] <ouroumov> C'est tout?
[12:06] <nmoi> il faudrait que je reproduise le probleme ,j'ai desactive update notifier .
[12:07] <nmoi> je quit le canal et je reproduit le probleme et je reviens
[12:07] <ouroumov> Tu peux supprimer ces fichiers dans /var/crash, il y a des chances que ce soient eux qui causent le message d'erreur au démarrage
[12:08] <ouroumov> A moins que le message d'erreur dise spécifiquement que le truc de mise à jours à crash
[12:08] <nmoi> je vais refaire un essai on en saura un peu plus
[12:08] <ouroumov> k
[12:22] <nmoi> de retour ouroumov,voila mon/var/crash :_usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash  _usr_bin_mate-panel.1000.crash
[12:22] <nmoi> _usr_bin_lvpnc.0.crash      _usr_bin_transmission-gtk.1000.crash
[12:22] <nmoi> _usr_bin_lvpnc.1000.crash   _usr_bin_yelp.1000.crash
[12:27] <olegb> ubottu: fr
[12:29] <nmoi> bon, je vais essayer de supprimer les fichier dans le /var/crash et merci pour l'info . j'aurai peu etre plus de chance sur ubuntu-fr . Salut
[13:18] <az> id it possible to have the top left menu open when hovering on it? I think it would be a good alternative to gnome shell compiz thing
[13:18] <az> also if there is one button to show open windows
[13:23] <ouroumov> For the standard menu, I don't think there's an option to unfold when hovering
[13:24] <ouroumov> ( I've looked in dconf org.mate.panel.menubar - not sure that's the correct place I never know how to use that hierarchy )
[13:25] <az> it would be cool IMO
[13:28] <ouroumov> az, I've just looked at the MATE 1.14 changelog and I don't think it was implemented there either. If you really want the feature you might consider creating a Feature Request issue for this up on github?
[13:32] <ouroumov> az, /etc/systemd/system.conf
[13:32] <ouroumov> oups
[13:32] <ouroumov> sorry wrong c/c
[13:33] <ouroumov> az: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-menus/issues
[13:35] <potatozilla> hi, i made a script that disable gnome keyring and removal seahorse installation files
[13:35] <potatozilla> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yfr6701v5iyr9p/remove-seahorse-keyring.sh?dl=0
[13:35] <potatozilla> i've tested in my ubuntu mate
[13:37] <potatozilla> if anyone do test , give me a feedback
[13:48] <az> ouroumov, https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-menus/issues/40
[13:48] <az> hope it described it
[13:56] <ouroumov> az: aw crap
[13:56] <ouroumov> I think that's the wrong menu you're talking about
[13:57] <ouroumov> az, you mean the one with the search field in the bottom right corner?
[13:57] <az> I mean all menus actually. they all need this.
[13:57] <az> I just discovered the one with the search now. it looks better
[13:58] <az> I was using some other software to launch that search in software. now with this the only thing missing is showing the open windows
[13:59] <ouroumov> az, you're using synapse?
[13:59] <ubuntu-mate> anybody know,ubuntu mate supports locally inegrated menus like ubuntu unity?
[14:00] <az> ouroumov, yeah
[14:00] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, not sure what you mean but same question: have you tried Synapse? There was an integration effort of synapse in Ubuntu MATE.
[14:01] <az> I'm using Synapse it add searching in documents.
[14:01] <potatozilla> i'm using synapse too
[14:01] <az> the search in Mate menu does not have that when I checked
[14:02] <ubuntu-mate> i mean - menus of programs is in windows decoration
[14:02] <az> potatozilla, seems great, I assigned f8 to it to be faster to open
[14:08] <Guest34649> Hey everyone. Good morning/evening -- depending upon where you live. Small problem: my screensaver is set to run at 3 minutes (standard). However, the screen dims then just returns fully lit, no screensaver action. Was wondering what /home file to reset
[14:09] <ouroumov> Guest34649, I've been seeing that happening too, and I think it was discussed on our forum, lemme check
[14:09] <Guest34649> ahhh, sweet!
[14:10] <Guest34649> I've been searching the net: didn't want to show up hat in hand on this one.  Thank you very very much.
[14:13] <ouroumov> Guest34649, you have an account on the forum?
[14:13] <Guest34649> I'm going to make one once I'm done reading this thread.
[14:14] <Guest34649> I was encouraged to try Mint Cinnamon Rosa, but the software's too... old for me.
[14:14] <Guest34649> I tested 64-bit Mate, but my Brother MFC240c won't scan on 64-bit
[14:14] <Guest34649> Installed 32-bit and all is ~perfect~... except the wonky screensaver
[14:15] <Akuli> Guest34649, have you looked at its settings?
[14:15] <Guest34649> Yes; tinkered with it. Often my way of testing is to rename a config file/folder blah-OLD and try again
[14:15] <Akuli> sure, keep a backup of your ~/.config around
[14:16] <Guest34649> mhmm! Never trash! Just rename til the new settings file/folder works just right. hehehee
[14:16] <Guest34649> so, it's tucked in ./config ?
[14:16] <Akuli> there should be screensaver settings in your menu
[14:16] <Guest34649> I mean, ~/.config ?
[14:17] <Guest34649> Perfect! I'll give that a shot.
[14:17] <Akuli> system, preferences, screensaver
[14:17] <Guest34649> In the meanwhile, my sincerest thanks, Akuli. And will be joining the forum momentarily.
[14:20] <ubuntu-mate> what do i prefer for my old laptop (dual core amd a6 chip) ubuntu with unity or ubuntu mate? ubuntu mate is really good, but i like lim menus in unity.
[14:22] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, go to MATE Tweak -> Interface. In "Panels" try the "Mutiny" layout
[14:23] <ouroumov> It doesn't work for every applications, but it's a topmenu alright
[14:24] <ubuntu-mate> ouroumov, oh i must try it now, thank you
[14:26] <cristopher> hello
[14:28] <ouroumov> Hello cristopher
[14:37] <cristopher> tuts
[14:37] <cristopher> tuts
[14:49] <wolf> ihi
[14:51] <Guest81212> Hi
[14:51] <Guest81212> Haw i instal Line ??
[14:56] <maxspice> trying to uninstall firefox with apt purge, it wants to remove ubuntu-mate-core* ubuntu-mate-desktop* too. what to do?
[15:04] <potatozilla> i was removed seahorse without uninstall the dependecies
[15:04] <ouroumov> maxspice, it's been discussed in many threads on the forum: those are meta-packages and should be safe to remove
[15:04] <ouroumov> maxspice, this behavior is on track to be corrected for the 16.10 release of Ubuntu MATE
[15:05] <maxspice> ouroumov: thank you!
[15:05] <ouroumov> yw
[15:07] <potatozilla> maxpice, get the list of installed files in synaptic,searching for firefox,open properties,installed and remove all files related at firefox
[15:07] <potatozilla> i did that with seahorse
[15:08] <potatozilla> no more seahorse and gnome-keyring in my system :)
[15:09] <Akuli> potatozilla, if you want to remove installations manually you also need to remove the information about the install from a dpkg configuration file
[15:10] <potatozilla> no has need for me
[15:11] <potatozilla> i have searching for seahorse after removed manuaally and this show that are not installed
[15:11] <Akuli> potatozilla, now your system think gnome-keyring is installed... we can fix that if you like
[15:11] <potatozilla> i already was fixed
[15:12] <Akuli> it shows as installed in dpkg --get-selections
[15:12] <Akuli> or doesn't it?
[15:13] <potatozilla> dpkg -L seahorse
[15:13] <potatozilla> no more files
[15:13] <Akuli> how about dpkg --get-selections | grep seahorse ?
[15:14] <potatozilla> output: "seahorse					install
[15:14] <potatozilla> "
[15:14] <potatozilla> is already uninstalled lol
[15:15] <potatozilla> and i've only removed manually
[15:16] <Guest81212> skål
[15:16] <Akuli> potatozilla, if you want to we can tell dpkg not to treat it as installed
[15:17] <potatozilla> but it's isn't installed lol
[15:18] <potatozilla> i've made a script for people that want remove seahorse and disable gnome-keyring
[15:20] <potatozilla> ubuntu-mate-core, ubuntu-mate-desktop still on my system :)
[15:21] <potatozilla> 3 daemons related at keyring are disable on startup, is better now that did
[15:23] <potatozilla> before i was the problem with seahorse keyring storege facebook password and ubuntu one without asking
[15:24] <potatozilla> but now i free
[15:39] <potatozilla> akuli , after remove all installed files manually , you can run sudo dpkg -P --force-all seahorse ,to ensure that this really off from the system
[15:42] <Eightynine> Happy birthday Ubuntu MATE. Have just installed it instead of Fefora 24 XFCE.
[15:42] <Guest34649> hehee
[15:42] <Guest34649> Sweet
[15:42] <potatozilla> cake day for all us
[15:42] <potatozilla> party hard!
[15:43] <Guest34649> I started with Breezy Badger and had a hard time remaining with Ubuntu with its new look.  DNF is lightning fast sometimes though.
[15:43] <Guest34649> I'm willing to help with Mate in any way possible. bbl
[15:46] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE 16.10 Alpha 1 is coming up next week, so anyone looking to help, we love the extra testers :-)
[15:46] <Eightynine> 13.119s instead of more than a minute in Linux Lite 3.0 and more than a minute on first boot and more than 30 seconds on every boot of Fedora. After kernel update I could start Fedora only some times. Linux Lite had problems with localization. Forgot to say, tty didn't work in Fedora.
[16:11] <Eightynine> Can I remove Flash?
[16:11] <Akuli> Yes. Say goodbye to it.  I hate Trash Player.
[16:13] <Akuli> :)
[16:13] <ouroumov> Yes. You. Can.
[16:14] <Akuli> UpPerCaSe Words.
[16:14] <Eightynine> Is there Polari chat client in repositories?
[16:14] <Akuli> No, I Think This Is Called CapsWords.
[16:14] <Akuli> apt-cache search polari
[16:14] <Akuli> try that
[16:16] <Eightynine> Trying to remove Flasg and it says Package doesn't exist.
[16:16] <Eightynine>  Package libhal1-flash isn't available
[16:19] <ouroumov> I think there's a one-click install / removal for flash in the Software Boutique
[16:21] <Akuli> Eightynine, dpkg --get-selections | grep flash
[16:21] <Eightynine> Thank you. When trying to remove HexChat using terminal it says it will also remove desktop.
[16:23] <ouroumov> Eightynine, yeah that's a meta package
[16:23] <ouroumov> -core too
[16:23] <Eightynine> That's bad.
[16:23] <ouroumov> You should be able to remove those without breaking your system, according to the forum
[16:32] <core50> heyas
[16:33] <core50> any admin of ubuntu-mate.org in here?
[16:39] <core50> I found a little bug in the website
[17:31] <Eightynine> Why is mintmenu not available?
[18:06] <fifty-sevenC> Mine menu?
[18:06] <fifty-sevenC> Mint*
[18:10] <Akuli> eightynine quit
[18:10] <Akuli> and there is a menu forked from it, it's just not called mintmenu
[18:12] <fifty-sevenC> Oh
[19:19] <edgar> hi
[19:46] <MarioMey> Hola, gente.
[19:46] <MarioMey> ¿Qué se usa en Ubuntu-Mate para compartir escritorio y manejarlo remotamente?
[19:47] <MarioMey> Hello, there. What software is used to share desktop and controlling it remotly?
[19:49] <MarioMey> Remmina?
[19:49] <MarioMey> Or something else?
[19:55] <YankDownUnder> Remmina works...there are other options...
[19:56] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: I instelled Remmina... but how do I make a computer to share itself?
[19:57] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/wiki => aqui
[19:57] <MarioMey> There's a tutorial in web that says "search for 'share desktop'"... but I don't find it in Mate.
[19:58] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, You would be using the application to search - and you'd also be making sure that whatever machine you're looking for is using RDP as well...
[19:59] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: what If my machine is what I want to share?
[20:01] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, I would suggest the website => http://www.remmina.org/wp/ => as I do not use "Remmina", all of my remote connections are static/secure, or I use "Chrome Remote Desktop" for support... :)
[20:03] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, And something else to read: https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/wiki/Remmina-Usage-FAQ
[20:03] <MarioMey> Thanks!
[20:03] <YankDownUnder> De nada
[21:39] <ubuntu-mate> hi?
[21:40] <ubuntu-mate> MATE IS FUCKING BAE


[00:11] <ikonia> hello yyz
[00:11] <yyz> I have been sent here by the great Lords of <3. They have come baring a single message to you. This message is as follows: You are in violation of article 57 of the Shadow Proclamation. You are harboring an unauthorized species on a level 5 planet, known as "The Ubuntardian". You are hereby given one chance to leave now. If you do not leave, <3 will make you leave... And don't test them!
[00:11] <ikonia> yyz: ok, bye, I'm not interested in discussing anything with someone who joins a channel and spews junk
[00:16] <Pici> odd
[00:16] <ikonia> very
[00:16] <bazhang> less than 3 = <3 ?
[00:17] <Flannel> bazhang: < is "Less than", yeah.
[00:17] <bazhang> so the troll channel #lessthanthree
[00:17] <Pici> Yes.  And please don't retaliate. The IRCC is in contact with some of the people there.
[00:17] <Flannel> bazhang: The folks in #lessthanthree
[00:17] <ikonia> Pici: some of the guys who actually run the channel where very reasonable and didn't want to be a problem, so I don't know why this stupidity is continuing
[00:18] <Pici> ikonia: Thats what I'm getting that.
[00:18] <Pici> er, at, not that.
[00:18] <bazhang> he's not an op there, so doubt its from them
[00:19] <Pici> Its someone trying to stir up trouble.
[00:23] <bazhang> * [thewizord]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:23] <Pici> Doesn't surprise me.
[00:23] <bazhang> real name: Adolf Hitler
[00:23] <Pici> What a nice fellow.
[00:23] <maco> doubt it
[00:23] <bazhang> in his irc client
[00:24] <maco> hahaha props for the Doctor Who quoting though
[00:24] <Pici> eh?
[00:25] <maco> "You are in violation of article 57 of the Shadow Proclamation. You are harboring an unauthorized species on a level 5 planet" <-- from Doctor Who
[00:25] <maco> The Eleventh Hour...
[00:25] <Pici> Ah. I couldn't place it, but it sounded familiar.
[00:25] <Pici> I've actually never made it through a single episode of Doctor Who. <.<
[00:26] <maco> WHAT?!
[00:26] <Pici> Yeah, I know.
[00:26]  * maco points at 4 boxes of Doctor Who DVDs in closet
[00:26] <Pici> I missed out on a lot of good sci-fi the first time around.
[00:27] <Pici> I only recently watched Farscape.
[00:27] <maco> wait wait
[00:27] <maco> so if you recognised that quote..
[00:27] <maco> that means you saw part of the Eleventh Hour...but you *didnt* get to the "bowties are cool" bit when he wins?
[00:27] <Pici> It sounded familiar, probably was quoted somewhere else as a nod to Doctor Who and I didn't realize it.
[00:28] <maco> oh
[00:28] <maco> whre do you live again?
[00:28] <maco> oh oh oh wait
[00:28] <maco> i now
[00:28] <maco> *know
[00:28] <maco> christmas day starting at midnight
[00:28] <maco> on BBC america, they're doing a Doctor Who marathon
[00:28] <maco> and i mean that as in the midnight between xmas eve and xmas day
[00:29] <maco> you can catch up on the last season!
[00:29] <maco> (though, i have the last season on DVD because i have an awesome friend)
[00:30] <Pici> Hrm..
[00:31] <maco> i should go see what time the christmas special is
[00:32] <Pici> Oddly enough, I watched and loved Torchwood.
[00:33] <maco> ianto :(
[00:33] <Pici> :(
[00:33] <pleia2> :(
[02:45] <Jordan_U> Any advice on how to handle r00t4rd3d in #ubuntu?
[02:48] <r00t4rd3d> who has a problem with my nickname
[02:48] <r00t4rd3d> that ive been using on freenode for 5+ years ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> CensoredBiscuit: hi how can we help you?
[02:48] <Jordan_U> r00t4rd3d: I have a problem with your nickname.
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> well to bad
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> get over it
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> its not offensive in any way
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> I dont like your nickname either
[02:49] <CensoredBiscuit> Nothing Tm_T I'm just leaving
[02:50] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: hi, the fact how long you've been using your nick doesn't matter
[02:50] <r00t4rd3d> well i come to ubuntu to help , if you wanna kick me out cause of my nick so be it
[02:50] <r00t4rd3d> its my registered nick and im not changing it
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> ive used this nick for more then 15 years
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> and this is the first time anyone has said anything about it
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> so no
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> thanks but no thanks
[02:53] <r00t4rd3d> grow up
[02:53] <Tm_T> I'm wondering why this became so confrontational, as only what I've seen is Jordan_U asked to change the nick
[02:53] <Tm_T> ...
[02:55] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: I would have recommended to discuss it friendly in the PM first, with some argumentation why it is requested, raising such things in the channel without explanation easily gets them defensive without reason
[02:55] <Jordan_U> The implication is that he will be kicked if he doesn't change his nick. I wasn't going to do that without agreement from other ops (bazhang yesterday agreed that the nick was offensive but didn't suggest any particular action).
[02:55] <Jordan_U> It's an unfortunate situation.
[02:56] <Tm_T> yup, nothing serious yet and in general you did it quite nicely
[02:57] <Jordan_U> What do you think should happen if he doesn't change his nick?
[02:58] <Tm_T> ask nicely with some good arguments, it's not outright offensive in my eyes, although not something I like either
[02:59] <Tm_T> you might like to hear others' opinions too, as I tend to be a bit too gentle at times
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> The attitude is worse than the nick - I doubt they're a particularly helpful member of the community anyway.
[03:00] <Tm_T> yes the attitude wasn't nice, but considering how the issue was rised, I'm not entirely surprised
[03:00] <Tm_T> that's why trying to discuss it nicely with argumentation wouldn't be a bad thing
[03:01] <Jordan_U> tonyyarusso: From what I've seen recently he actually is helpfull and perfectly respectful in #ubuntu.
[03:04] <Tm_T> it shouldn't matter much nor what we think if he's helpful or not, for such small thing calling out publicly is not the best way nor IMO required in any way
[03:04] <Tm_T> publicly in this case means support channel
[03:04] <Jordan_U> Tm_T: I'm not sure what you mean.
[03:05] <Tm_T> hi semitones, how can we help you?
[03:05] <semitones> I came here to see the counter rww was talking about :P
[03:05] <rww> >.>
[03:06] <semitones> users sudaded by the no idle policy: 1
[03:06] <semitones> I'll leave now :D
[03:06] <rww> Tm_T: Sorry, I spilled some -offtopic in here :(
[03:06] <Tm_T> rww: it's ok (:
[03:07] <Tm_T> as long as it doesn't happen every time I have long sentence ready to be entered (;
[03:07] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: I mean that we don't count karma, good deeds doesn't make bad deeds more allowed
[03:08] <Tm_T> nor we should treat someone more poorly because we assume them less valuable to us/our community
[03:08] <Tm_T> ofcourse things are not this simple, but in general idea
[03:20] <Jordan_U> The way I see the nick is as self-depricating humor, but by using "retarded" as a pejorative he is insulting people with genuine mental retardation. I may be reading that incorrectly but I can't see any non-offensive interpretation.
[03:31] <Tm_T> if that's how you see it, explain it to him politely (:
[04:27] <r00t4rd3d> b0nghitter , cybersix , testi , billybigrigger , manbra , mikack , reuteras , seemawn but my nick is offensive ?
[04:27] <r00t4rd3d> how are those family friendly nicks but mine isnt ?
[04:29]  * r00t4rd3d waits....
[04:33] <r00t4rd3d> but Jordan_U isnt singling me out !
[04:37] <CarlFK> if an op has asked you to change your nick, you should prolly change your nick
[04:37] <r00t4rd3d> im not going to
[04:38] <CarlFK> comparing it's level of offensiveness to others doesn't change its level
[04:39] <r00t4rd3d> No one has ever been offended by my nick till today
[04:39] <CarlFK> you don't know that
[04:39] <CarlFK> and even if it is true, another thing that doesn't matter
[04:42] <r00t4rd3d> oh well im going back to #ubuntu to help people if i can and forgetting this
[04:47] <CarlFK> "... grow up"  attitude has room for improvement, but I don't think he is too far out of line
[05:48] <elky> Are people continuing to talk to him, or is he coming back in here to harrass ops based on one simple request?
[05:57] <Jordan_U> elky: I had a conversation with him in PM.
[05:57] <elky> between the first and subsequent visits from him?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> elky: Yes.
 #ubuntu-women? :)  possible troll in coming
[10:32] <tsimpson> bazhang: it's in reply to root_ (watching)
[10:33] <bazhang> tsimpson, yep thus the warning to those in -women; should have put in -irc in retrospect (spur of the moment, my apologies)
[10:34] <IdleOne> prime example of why a only ubuntu-namespace op channel would be good.
[11:19] <elky> bazhang, especially since he's well aware
[12:07] <_H> hi I'm being mocked and such for my dyslexia and utism
[12:07] <_H> autism
[12:07] <_H> in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:08] <IdleOne> We didn't mock you for you disabilities
[12:08] <IdleOne> or because of them
[12:09] <_H> (12:06:30 PM) dwatkins: _H: being dyslexic and autistic is no excuse for not knowing howto calculate the area of a rectangle, dude
[12:09] <_H> (12:06:47 PM) tonyyarusso: _H: Sorry, but this is a channel where you get mocked for stupidity.
[12:09] <tonyyarusso> ^ has nothing to do with dyslexia or autism
[12:17] <elky> _H, is there anything further? if not, we ask that you part the channel
[12:18] <elky> I'm sick to the eyeballs of people blaming everything on autism.
[12:19] <IdleOne> it's an easy out
[12:19] <maco> only if the people you're talking to have no idea what it is
[12:20] <IdleOne> true
[12:20] <elky> anyone actually pulling the excuse out probably does not actually have autism.
[12:20] <IdleOne> my cousin never uses it as an excuse
[12:21] <IdleOne> in fact he gets upset if you try to treat him "special"
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> Not to mention the fact that pretty much everyone on IRC is above-average on the autism spectrum...
[12:23] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: that's a fact?
[12:23] <maco> else we'd use some sort of communication mechanism that involved faces? :P
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: I should think so :)
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> maco: hackergotchis count as social interaction, right?
[12:24] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: what you think isn't fact (;
[12:24] <elky> tonyyarusso, geekdom favours spectrum behaviours, yes.
[12:25] <Tm_T> this actually would be interesting subject for study
[12:25] <elky> I believe it has been studied.
[12:25] <Tm_T> IRC & spectrum?
[12:25] <elky> geekdom & spectrum
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> maybe not IRC specifically
[12:26] <Tm_T> ah, I personally don't care of "geekdom" much
[12:26] <Tm_T> prolly because of the stereotypes related to it
[12:27] <elky> If irc correlated highly with the spectrum, then most of finland would be...
[12:27]  * tonyyarusso 's Finn side sees to contradiction there
[12:28] <elky> http://mrissa.livejournal.com/746160.html is a worthwhile read for arguments against the autism excuse
[12:54] <elky> you guys are terrible
[12:55] <maco> referring to the "how do i make a sandwich?"  In a few months time, I'm going to be moving to Wellington, NZ, for work.
[13:20] <elky> Hands up who knows the relevance of this.
[13:20] <IdleOne> not sure why that would be bad
[13:20] <elky> It starts with B.
[13:21] <IdleOne> boredom?
[13:21] <tonyyarusso> botulism
[13:21] <elky> No. Nothing of the sort.
[13:21] <IdleOne> botulism is bad
[13:21] <IdleOne> oh
[13:21] <IdleOne> ex boyfriend
[13:21] <elky> No. Oh gods no.
[13:21] <popey> My boss (45 year old family man) came into work teh other day with lunch in a plastic box which needed reheating, he had/has absolutely no clue how to use a microwave oven. We had to show him. This surprised most of us.
[13:21] <tonyyarusso> baboons
[13:21] <popey> Botato?
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> bathysphere
[13:22] <elky> Think trolls.
[13:22] <IdleOne> elky: save us the time and tell us please
[13:22] <Tm_T> that thing that replaced Kolto
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> beards
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: nono, I got this!
[13:22] <IdleOne> ok
[13:22]  * IdleOne waits
[13:22]  * Tm_T is giving extra hints
[13:22] <elky> A particular troll who we love dearly lives in Wellington.
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> bacon!
[13:23] <IdleOne> and you are worried that this troll may do something?
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> blazon
[13:23] <elky> IdleOne, no, not at all.
[13:23] <IdleOne> I suggest, mace and a pocket knife
[13:23] <IdleOne> stab him first then make him blind
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> beast
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> barbarian
[13:23] <elky> IdleOne, for his protection?
[13:23] <IdleOne> haha ok
[13:23] <IdleOne> if you think he needs it
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> bait
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> bob
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> brat
[13:25] <IdleOne> I don't see how the troll living there is relevant really, but knowing we have muscle close by is good :)
[13:25] <elky> I imagine a chance encounter will result in me rolling on the ground in fits of laughter.
[13:25] <IdleOne> elky: We have a troll that needs a talking to. *elky gets in car and drives over*
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> brink
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> brash
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> bother
[13:25] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: you still guessing?
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> sure!
[13:26] <IdleOne> keep going
[13:26] <elky> He's trying to get me to say it. I don't particularly want to summon him.
[13:26] <tonyyarusso> babbler
[13:26] <tonyyarusso> baby
[13:27] <IdleOne> PM me so I know what who we are talking about
[13:27] <tonyyarusso> badger
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> bald
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> balk
[13:28] <IdleOne> beagle
[13:28] <IdleOne> boggle
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> beerbelly
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> beetle
[13:28] <IdleOne> elky: also make sure to take pics :)
[13:29] <tonyyarusso> befuddled
[13:29] <Tm_T> http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/bactatank/
[13:29] <elky> IdleOne, this will involve suspending laughter
[13:29] <tonyyarusso> behead
[13:29] <elky> Tm_T, lol
[13:29] <tonyyarusso> bellow
[13:30] <IdleOne> bestow
[13:30] <tonyyarusso> bossy
[13:31] <tonyyarusso> botched
[13:31] <IdleOne> This portion of #ubuntu-ops brought to you by tonyyarusso and the letter B
[13:31] <tonyyarusso> :)
[13:32] <Tm_T> elky: I can get you few bacta canisters if need be
[13:33] <elky> hah
[13:36] <elky> This is all something that only occurred to me after I had already sought and got director approval.
[13:50] <Tm_T> so I just locked myself out...
[13:50] <Tm_T> glad it's only -20 °C
[13:51] <elky> lol
[13:51] <IdleOne> warm there today
[13:51] <IdleOne> almost swimsuit weather
[13:53] <Tm_T> took only 15 min to get keys from the neighbour (:
[13:53] <IdleOne> your neighbour has keys to your house??
[13:53] <IdleOne> nice
[13:54] <IdleOne> I don't like my neighbours enough for that
[13:56] <Tm_T> it's a key for all doors in this housing association (or what it should be called)
[13:56] <IdleOne> oh, ok
[13:56] <IdleOne> a master key
[13:56] <Tm_T> that
[13:56] <IdleOne> I would change my locks
[13:56] <IdleOne> lol
[13:57] <Tm_T> IdleOne: so the apartment owner cannot come in?
[13:57] <IdleOne> correct
[13:57] <IdleOne> landlord has no reason to enter my house if I am not there
[13:57] <IdleOne> house/apartment
[13:58] <Tm_T> especially after the rent is left unpaid
[13:58]  * Tm_T hides
[13:58] <IdleOne> I pay my rent :P
[13:58] <Tm_T> I don't
[13:59] <elky> lol
[13:59] <IdleOne> as well you shouldn't
[14:00] <Tm_T> I mean, uh, the money transfer must have had some hiccup, I'm sure!
[14:00] <IdleOne> yeah, the bank messed up
[14:00] <IdleOne> Tm_T: has a rubber check book
[14:01] <Tm_T> I have never seen check book in Finland, I doubt anyone actually uses such things around here
[14:02] <IdleOne> so you either use cash or debit card?
[14:03] <IdleOne> rent is direct payment from your bank ?
[14:03] <Tm_T> yup
[14:03] <IdleOne> k
[14:04] <Tm_T> there's credit cards too, but for the payment situation, they're quite similar to debit
[16:59] <mneptok> Tm_T: i submit expense reports to Espoo. Espoo contacts the US bank. they mail a paper check to me. this is a great source of amusement in .fi
[17:02] <Tm_T> I can imagine, in here you would just get the money right into the bank account
[18:29] <IdleOne> and that was a prime example for why we should never have a not publicly logged ops only channel.
[18:31] <mneptok> IdleOne: it's actually a reason why our expense reports are GPG encrypted. :)
[18:32] <IdleOne> well that too
[18:32] <IdleOne> mneptok: I was refering to an earlier convo in here about something that was going on in -ot. the user read the log of here and saw what was said about them
[18:35] <IdleOne> my reasoning is with such a channel, we would be accused of breach of CoC and guidelines much more often.
[18:35] <IdleOne> I still think we should have that channel though.
[20:26] <maco> IdleOne: user did not object my "maybe they're a troll who's really good at pretending to be stupid" though...so maybe i'm right!
[20:28] <IdleOne> I think the fact the user came back and complained is proof that we should not discuss users publicly or in a derogatory way. even if they are stupid, it isn't very nice and we shouldn't do it
[20:29]  * IdleOne is guilty of doing this.
[20:29] <IdleOne> also*
[20:29] <IdleOne> just want to make it clear I am not pointing any fingers at anybody.
[21:33] <elky> IdleOne, i find it amusing that judging by the scrollback here, the user took objection to me explaining why i thought you guys were being horrible.
[21:34] <elky> maco, no, you have that backwards. If he were, he'd be indignant on the subject.


[18:13] <hbcam> thank you :)
[18:14] <naim> hello
[18:14] <ShalokShalom> k1l: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/jacksum/jacksum-1.7.0.zip?download
[18:14] <naim> amit
[18:14] <naim> amitkumar
[18:14] <kalby> kil: id rather have the ubuntu support question, how do i fix the broken application once i already installed it?
[18:14] <ShalokShalom> last update 2006, java, open source
[18:14] <ShalokShalom> :)
[18:15] <Legitkrillin> hello all sorry to bother you
[18:15] <ShalokShalom> k1l: oh sorry, command back, no gui here
[18:15] <ShalokShalom> Legitkrillin: all fine, whats up ?
[18:16] <Legitkrillin> I am starting to learn ruby
[18:16] <Legitkrillin> how hard is it to install with ubuntu
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> Legitkrillin  is your suestion about ruby?
[18:16] <Legitkrillin> fadora has been a nightmare!
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> Legitkrillin  type /j #ubuntu-app-devel
[18:17] <olverclock> There is no command to rebuild partition table by? either automatically or manually?
[18:19] <EriC^^> olverclock: have you backed up the data you need?
[18:19] <ShalokShalom> k1l: this one ? http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickhash/
[18:20] <trijntje_> I have created an image of a complete harddisk using ddrescue, how can I tell ubuntu to treat the file like a device and look for partitions on it?
[18:20] <Bashing-om> !info ruby
[18:20] <EriC^^> trijntje_: sudo losetup /path/to/img , not sure of the exact command
[18:20] <olverclock> EriC^^, I will try
[18:20] <olverclock> more precise recover patição of ubuntu
[18:20] <olverclock> or recover the files!
[18:21] <EriC^^> trijntje_: then type lsblk it should list /dev/loop0
[18:22] <olverclock> EriC^^, I will try to do,
[18:22] <olverclock> but I need to recover partition of ubuntu
[18:22] <olverclock> or recover the files!
[18:23] <przemek> j
[18:23] <bb> Has anyone came across an error with the command ls.  stderr = ls: invalid line width: xr-xr-x
[18:25] <freezer> hi
[18:25] <freezer> Is Ubuntu 15.10 per default with GNOME desktop?
[18:25] <Legitkrillin> many thanks
[18:25] <ShalokShalom> k1l: one more, all not tested by me, hope this helps: http://javazquez.com/juan/2008/06/21/md5-goodness-in-java/
[18:26] <hbcam> freezer: i know as unity
[18:26] <EriC^^> olverclock: install testdisk, sudo apt-get install testdisk
[18:26] <bb> ls: invalid line width? can anyone elaborate on this error
[18:26] <Norbin> Any help's appreciated http://askubuntu.com/questions/671039/ubuntu-14-04-15-04-skylake-i5-6600k-intel-hd-530-graphic-issues
[18:26] <freezer> hbcam: what?
[18:26] <EriC^^> olverclock: if universe repository isn't enabled, enable it first with sudo software-properties-gtk -e universe
[18:27] <hbcam> freezer: default UNITY
[18:27] <freezer> weird, when i search ubuntu 15.10, first thing is popping up is gnome
[18:32] <kalby> does anyone suddenly use ubuntu cause you just watched Mr.Robot series?
[18:32] <EriC^^> olverclock: im going to go, if you install testdisk, you can do a quick search to find partitions, then view the files by pressing p, and have someone help you with it cause you could overwrite the partition table easily
[18:34] <kalby> eric: can i connect to the wifi around, using terminal?
[18:34] <EriC^^> kalby: yes, using nmcli
[18:35] <EriC^^> gtg
[18:36] <hbcam> Hey, I want to know everything about Linux systems. From the beginner level. Can you guys suggest me a book of about it ?
[18:36] <kalby> eric: can you show me how? i recently tried using gksu gedit /etc/wap_supplicant_conf; then suddenly i got this error (gksu:10077): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[18:36] <kalby> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:36] <kalby> GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running
[18:36] <kalby> hbcam: google is the best
[18:37] <gulag2014> Kalby, looks like a good show :) and I hate tv.
[18:37] <hbcam> kalby: there are hundred of books, i want good suggestions
[18:37] <kalby> hbcam: type on it, then try whats told, and copy paste the error you got. you will learn from trials and error. it will be better off
[18:38] <kalby> hbcam: then i cant help at the moment. sure i will tell you if i have later on
[18:38] <Norbin> hbcam, check out "how linux works, what every superuser should know"
[18:38] <Norbin> it's insanely good
[18:38] <hbcam> thanks for replies
[18:39] <anonymous> hi
[18:39] <kalby> gulag: it is great show. cant think of any better series at the moment
[18:39] <anonymous> how  are  we
[18:40] <gulag2014> kalby, yep well have to watch it. I saw Christian Slater in one of the previews.
[18:41] <kalby> gulag: been waiting for this kinda series whole of my life. before i watched movie called "black hat", not nearly as good as this one
[18:41] <kalby> anonymous: hi man
[18:42] <jcstarken> after I have now  ran tar xjf "name of program I need to find the configure file or what ubuntu 14.04 lts thank you
[18:43] <kalby> jcstarken: yes, do some ls from that folder
[18:43] <jcstarken> kalby: thank you
[18:44] <gulag2014> kalby, I don't have cable, so maybe it will find it's way on my hd. I just watched a realistic IT movie called https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qpudAhYhpc. the acting is really bad but at least it's authentic IT language was othetic \for once.
[18:44] <kalby> jcstarken: you see one of the name called "configure", then do some ./configure, i assume you want to install that thing right?
[18:44] <jcstarken> kalby: yes I have not seen a configure, i do see run-"program name. sh
[18:45] <jcstarken> ./run-mozilla.sh
[18:46] <kalby> jcstarken: remember to use google about it. i recently had problem about it. trust me it will work out. Just need to be patient. i think you will be great. keep on man
[18:46] <p3rror> is there someone who used trickle
[18:46] <p3rror> I need to limit bandwidth on a production web server
[18:47] <jcstarken> kalby: thank you
[18:47] <kalby> gulag: dont need a tv cable man, i watch it by streaming. that wesbite is damn cool thing to stay on
[18:49] <skyhorse> Hi all, I get the following error when installing npm packages: "npm ERR! Linux 3.19.0-26-generic". Any idea what to do to resolve the error?
[18:51] <auronandace> skyhorse: what does uname -a show?
[18:52] <skyhorse> skyhorse@Merlin:~$ uname -a
[18:52] <skyhorse> Linux Merlin 3.19.0-26-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Tue Aug 11 14:16:32 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:55] <skyhorse> auronandace, which is the problem with the version? (Linux Merlin 3.19.0-26-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Tue Aug 11 14:16:32 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux)
[18:55] <auronandace> skyhorse: i'm not familiar with npm sorry but from the looks of that error it isn't very informative
[18:56] <auronandace> skyhorse: my estimate is that it doesn't like your kernel
[18:57] <skyhorse> auronandace, is there a way to update the kernel?
[18:57] <auronandace> skyhorse: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:58] <auronandace> skyhorse: that will give you the latest updates in the repos
[18:58] <skyhorse> auronandace, latest updates? what do I have to execute to get such info?
[18:59] <skyhorse> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" gives "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[18:59] <auronandace> skyhorse: if you ran that after sudo apt-get update then you alreay have the latest updates installed
[19:00] <skyhorse> ok, then bad issue with the npm. Even the npm works to slow, it takes around 15 min to install something
[19:12] <hadbeld_hh> Hi guys. How is it that some function output can be piped to grep and some can't?
[19:12] <Guitar1> Any Musicians around?
[19:13] <Promille> Hi guys. It seems like I can't stream from HTML5 players like Netflix and tv2sumo.no on Ubuntu x64 14.04 . Do you know if the DRM enabled  version of HTML5 is shipped on ubuntu repo's?
[19:13] <aeon-ltd> Guitar1: just ask your acutal question
[19:14] <Guitar1> Okay I want some shrooms
[19:14] <Shrooms> Lol.
[19:14] <Guitar1> I was just wondering if anyone wanted to talk about rock guitar?
[19:15] <aeon-ltd> Guitar1: #ubuntu-offtopic for that stuff
[19:15] <Guitar1> Is this a programmers chat room?
[19:15] <aeon-ltd> no this is a ubuntu support chat room
[19:15] <auronandace> !topic | Guitar1
[19:15] <Guitar1> okay sorry
[19:17] <bishops> Is there a way to get the mouse pointer to disappear after while when idle, when reading on a screen in ubuntu? in my case it's stays there at all times.
[19:18] <ioria> !info unclutter
[19:19] <auronandace> ioria: good find
[19:19] <ioria> ^_^
[19:21] <LightweightOS> Other than xbacklight, what can I do to save battery life on my laptop running Ubuntu 15.04?
[19:22] <k1l> LightweightOS: see powertop
[19:23] <ioria> deduce screen brightness
[19:23] <ioria> reduce screen brightness
[19:23] <pecanqn> hello
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> LightweightOS  find TLP
[19:23] <pecanqn> i have this problem. kate: cannot connect to X server :0
[19:25] <ioria> !info kdesudo
[19:26] <ioria> pecanqn, are you using kate with sudo ?
[19:26] <pecanqn> im loged like root
[19:26] <ioria> no good ...
[19:27] <ioria> exit from there and use kdesudo
[19:28] <pecanqn> there is no way i can use kate loged like root?
[19:29] <ioria> don't know... but it's said it's not a good practice
[19:29] <MonkeyDust> pecanqn  it's safer to use sudo
[19:29] <auronandace> pecanqn: you certainly shouldn't be running an entire graphical environment as root anyway, massive security risk
[19:30] <ShalokShalom> pecanqn: you mean start kate as root ? in KDE, i guess ?
[19:30] <ShalokShalom> kdesu kate
[19:30] <pecanqn> yes
[19:30] <ShalokShalom> kdesu kate
[19:30] <ShalokShalom> there is a #kubuntu channel as well
[19:32] <LightweightOS> MonkeyDust: Thanks, I just got tlp.
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> LightweightOS  also install thermald, to control your laptop's temperature
[19:38] <Appl3Kork> don't know if i'm really making progress or not
[19:38] <Appl3Kork> but if i do the reboot command from ssh or the console itself, it doesn't go back to the HOSTNAME login>
[19:40] <kalby> apple: hey apple, do you know what .sh file?
[19:40] <LightweightOS> MonkeyDust: Thanks!
[19:42] <Appl3Kork> what .sh file?
[19:43] <CharlatanPleb> e
[19:44] <kalby> apple: well i get this; sh files are unix (linux) shell executables files, they are the equivalent (but much more powerful) of bat files on windows. So you need to run it from a linux console, just typing its name the same you do with bat files on windows. Typically a .sh file is a shell script which you can execute in a terminal.Dec 10, 2012
[19:44] <ioria> i think i mean .ssh
[19:44] <k1l> kalby: that doesnt relate to the issue of the user
[19:44] <kalby> apple: have no idea about its root file from, and what i can do about it
[19:45] <kalby> kil : it does. i had some problem with it before
[19:51] <mohanad> hello
[19:52] <kalby> mohanad: halo
[19:52] <NeoMath44> hello
[19:53] <mohanad> whats up guys
[19:54] <kadiro> !ot | mohanad
[19:54] <LightweightOS> In tlp, does this mean that the minimum cpu state is at 36%? Also, would it save power if I changed that to 5%? /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/min_perf_pct      = 36
[19:57] <andy_mahurin> Hi.
[19:59] <andy_mahurin> I have been trying to follow the instructions on how to upgrade the voice for festival.  http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/jyamagis/software/page54/page54.html
[20:00] <andy_mahurin> afk
[20:04] <MoPac> I'm having an issue with a clean server install (has come even when repeating the install from scratch). In normal boot, ACPI PCC probe fails, a "starting version 219" systemd message appears, and that's it. I never get to the LUKS volume unlock screen
[20:04] <MoPac> But if I choose advanced options and recovery mode, then opt to continue normal boot, everything works fine
[20:09] <TJ-> MoPac ACPI PCC probe fails message is just noise; shouldn't be there - a debug message. Was removed in later kernels.
[20:09] <neldogz> what is the recommended method of installing the virtualbox guest additions for an Ubuntu guest?
[20:09] <MoPac> TJ-: This is the latest 15.04 kernel - 3.19-0-26
[20:09] <TJ-> MoPac: "starting version 219" is just systemd init telling you it is starting; usually that message isn't an indication of the cause of a failure, it just happens to be the last message written to the console
[20:10] <TJ-> MoPac: The lastest version is v4.2
[20:10] <TJ-> MoPac: Vivid's kernel doesn't contain the ACPI PCC probe patch
[20:10] <liop42> hi
[20:11] <TJ-> MoPac: if the system boots in Recovery mode, use that to look at the system logs in /var/log/{syslog,kern.log} for clues as to why the previous boot failed.
[20:13] <rpluto> Hi can someone with expirience in lvm help me ?
[20:15] <MoPac> TJ-: I don't see anything logged from the boot attempts that aren't the successful recovery-mode-resume boot. And, I mean, they wouldn't have been able to write anything to the root filesystem at that point anyway -- do they write something in /boot that gets pulled into syslog later when there's a successful boot?
[20:18] <Katronix> I put a hard drive with Windows 10 on it, into my tower (it came from my laptop) I tried to get grub to detect it and it came back with: http://pastebin.com/SPVV1gCy is there something else I need to do for grub to detect an OS on a GPT drive?
[20:19] <kalby> katronix: you cant detect your windows os within your boot table?
[20:19] <Katronix> kalby sorry not sure I understand the Q
[20:20] <arcsky> hey guys, i want to install an APK file. ist that possible in ubuntu ?
[20:20] <kalby> katronix: whats with GPT drive? i thought you have prob with your grub in linux.
[20:20] <Katronix> or would the issue be that Windows is hibernating? not shut down? I'm being told that's why I can't mount it
[20:21] <Katronix> kalby the drive Windows is on is in the GPT fashion
[20:21] <kalby> katronix: i got the answer i guess, just wait a sec
[20:21] <mtBaker> can any one else see the software center api ?
[20:21] <Cyroos> Is possible to remove folders by `shred  -vufzn0`? which option shoud be added?
[20:21] <mtBaker> https://software-center.ubuntu.com/api/2.0/applications/en/ubuntu/14.04/amd64/
[20:22] <Cyroos> I want to delete a bounch of folders permanently; Can I use `shred` over folders?
[20:23] <kalby> katronix: run this, 1. sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda , then 2. sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[20:23] <bxx> How to find out the real device used by /dev/dm-0
[20:24] <francisley> ola a todos
[20:24] <francisley> boa tarde
[20:24] <kalby> katronix: you can try to reboot your system, and check it with gparted
[20:24] <LightweightOS> How do I save the most power with my cpu using  cpufreq scaling. This is the setting I have currently: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq  =  1200000 [kHz]
[20:24] <francisley> sou novo em linux
[20:24] <Katronix> kalby gparted sees it
[20:24] <MoPac> TJ-: Is there any other place to look? Maybe there's a way I can look at the script used by the "resume normal boot" option in recovery mode and compare it to the normal boot scripts?
[20:24] <LightweightOS> My max freq is: max_freq  =  3300000 [kHz] and my cpu is 2.3GHz
[20:25] <kalby> katronix: oh i am sorry, so the problem is with mbr here. usually windows using mbr
[20:26] <Katronix> kalby yes, older versions used mbr, it uses gpt for the newer versions
[20:27] <regedit_> anyone else here being PMed by ShadowVix ?
[20:27] <kalby> katronix: do you try to find it on google?
[20:28] <Katronix> kalby yes, but didn't find anything :(
[20:30] <TJ-> MoPac: It's suspect it's a timing/race issue between 2 devices or services, which has had time to initialise when you do a recovery boot
[20:31] <TJ-> MoPac: usually, if init has started the root is remounted read-write and logging via journald, or rsylog, should be active quite soon. If it isn't that gives you a window to focus on... the time before rsylog is active
[20:35] <cis> hi
[20:35] <cis> hi folks
[20:49] <tabulator> I like to see nice Fluxbox screenshots, there is a guy which makes awesome Fluxbox themes, do anyone happens to know his nick or something?
[20:49] <k1l> !themes | tabulator
[20:53] <tabulator> k1l, No, I am looking for a specific guy, I heard he use Slackware...
[20:54] <tabulator> I'm not sure how to google that :)
[20:55] <k1l> tabulator: well, this channel is obviously the wrong place then.
[21:15] <Fjorgynn> God natt och glöm inte groggen
[21:25] <madebymarkca> hey guys, I have an old macbook pro (2007) I put ubuntu mate on, I was just curious if anyone knows which way is best to activate right click on the trackpad button
[21:28] <auronandace> !mac | madebymarkca
[21:30] <Katronix> Hi all, I've added a second hard drive to my system which already has Windows 10 on it. The drive is in GPT mode. I'm unable to get Grub2 to see the drive. I can boot from it at the EFI boot menu. Any suggestions? I've tried Google, haven't found anything useful.
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Katronix: A thought; Both hard drives are GPT, and you boot up MBR, the two partitioning schemes are not compatible and thus the partition table(s) are not seen ??
[21:36] <Katronix> Bashing-om: okay, how do I tell Ubuntu to be in GPT mode?
[21:39] <ikonia> Katronix: when you partition the disk
[21:39] <ikonia> you put a partition table on it, it can be a legacy msdos, or modern gpt
[21:40] <EriC^^> Katronix: can you reiterate your problem, it's not that clear
[21:40] <Bashing-om> Katronix: When you install, boot up from the firmware as EFI mode . Mind you, there is more I do not know about EFI than I do know .
[21:40] <ikonia> GPT and EFI are two different things
[21:40] <Katronix> If I have to re-install ubuntu, can I keep /home in MBR, so I can keep its contents?
[21:41] <ikonia> "in mbr" ??
[21:41] <ikonia> there is only 1 partition table on a disk
[21:41] <Katronix> okay so I would have to loose /home ?
[21:41] <ikonia> Katronix: what exactly are you trying to do ?
[21:41] <EriC^^> Katronix: what is it that your doing?
[21:41] <Katronix> I want to get grub to see the Windows drive
[21:42] <ikonia> the windows drive ?
[21:42] <ikonia> is that a seperate disk ?
[21:42] <Katronix> yes
[21:42] <EriC^^> drive a has win10 you installed ubuntu to drive b?
[21:42] <ikonia> so why do you care about your ubuntu partition?
[21:42] <Katronix> Drive A has Ubuntu, drive B has Win10
[21:42] <EriC^^> and you get grub right now?
[21:42] <ikonia> so why are you trying to re-partition the ubuntu drive ?
[21:43] <EriC^^> paste sudo parted -l please
[21:43] <Katronix> grub right now only sees the Linux drive
[21:43] <Bashing-om> ikonia: True that GPT and EFI are not the same, but does not EFI require the drive to be partitioned as GPT ?
[21:43] <ikonia> Bashing-om: if you're using the actual EFI boot manager in "modern" mode yes
[21:44] <ikonia> Katronix: I don't understand why you are messing with the ubuntu partitions if you want it to see the windows one ?
[21:44] <Katronix> http://pastebin.com/s5hQc4MP
[21:44] <Katronix> ikonia: I want to be able to get grub to see both
[21:44] <Bashing-om> ikonia: Tks, just keep'n my think'n linear.
[21:44] <ikonia> Katronix: I get that, but why are you re-partitioning your linux drive ?
[21:44] <EriC^^> Katronix: ok, win10 is installed in uefi mode, ubuntu was installed in legacy(mbr)
[21:45] <Katronix> ikonia: was just asking if that is what was needed
[21:45] <ikonia> I don't understand, it makes no sense
[21:45] <ikonia> "I can't boot the windows partition, so I'll re-partition the linux drive"
[21:45] <EriC^^> Katronix: you need to reinstall ubuntu in uefi mode, when you boot the live usb, open a terminal and type ls -l /sys/firmware/efi to see if it exists and know you're booted in uefi mode, then install
[21:46] <Katronix> ikonia, never said I couldn't boot Windows, only said that grub didn't see Windows :)
[21:46] <ikonia> Katronix: which is "can't boot windows"
[21:46] <ikonia> if your boot loader can't see it - you can't boot it
[21:46] <Katronix> EriC^^ so I would loose my /home partition?
[21:47] <TJ-> Bashing-om: The EFI spec mandates that EFI *must* support both GPT and MBR partitioning, regardless of CSM/Legacy support
[21:48] <TJ-> Katronix: If you alter the Linux boot style to be EFI ( which you can do without a reinstall) then both Windows and Linux can be chosen from the EFI boot menu
[21:48] <Katronix> TJ so that would mean not using Grub?
[21:48] <Bashing-om> TJ-: K. so long as there is a /boot partition to support grub ?
[21:49] <TJ-> Katronix: No, it would mean GRUB only boots Linux. The purpose of the EFI Boot Manager is to allow the firmware to store and offer the boot selection without another boot manager being involved
[21:50] <TJ-> Bashing-om: Yes... /boot/grub/<arch>-<mode>/ stores the GRUB modules
[21:50] <Katronix> TJ okay, so that would explain why the boot manager on the motherboard only sees the Windows drive?
[21:51] <TJ-> Katronix: To make it happen you'd swap out the 'grub-pc' packages for the 'grub-efi' packages; the grub CORE.img (grubx64.efi) would be install in the EFI system Partition on the drive that has Windows on, the remainder of GRUB's files are on the Linux drive
[21:51] <TJ-> Katronix: Correct
[21:51] <TJ-> Katronix: With Linux/GRUB also configured to boot with EFI, the tools (efibootmgr) will add an entry for Ubuntu to the firmware's boot menu
[21:52] <Katronix> TJ I don't know if it makes a difference, but the Linux drive is plugged into a lower numbered SATA connection, wouldn't that make it the primary boot device?
[21:53] <TJ-> Katronix: The only 'fly in the ointment' is if the system boots with SecureBoot
[21:53] <Katronix> no I didn't turn that on
[21:53] <TJ-> Katronix: No, there is no such concept of boot device order with EFI
[21:53] <Katronix> TJ okay wanted to make sure, since you said I'd install it on the Windows drive, not the Linux drive
[21:53] <TJ-> Katronix: each boot menu entry stores the location of the boot-loader by the PCI device path and UUID
[21:54] <Katronix> TJ is there a page that you know of to give me the list of commands I need to use to make this switch?
[21:54] <TJ-> Katronix: Yes, that is because the "Windows Drive" has the EFI System Partition (ESP) - a fat12/16/32 file-system of around 256-512MB which stores the EFI files required by *all* operating systems
[21:55] <TJ-> Katronix: No, it's very infrequently done. I can guide you through the steps though.
[21:55]  * TJ- is currently doing a build of GRUB 2 and has some time to wait :)
[21:55] <Katronix> TJ is this something I can be chatting with you on the same system I'm making the change on?
[21:56] <TJ-> Katronix: Yes
[21:56] <Katronix> TJ okay cool, is it okay if I private message you?
[21:56] <TJ-> Katronix: I have PMs disabled; best to keep support in-channel so others can contribute too, or if I have to leave
[21:57] <Katronix> ok
[21:57] <Katronix> so what do I do?
[21:57] <TJ-> Keep it here because swapping the packages is Ubuntu specific
[21:57] <TJ-> Katronix: first, make sure the target system has pastebinit installed: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[21:57] <Katronix> Okay, if it makes a difference, I'm actually using Mint, which hopefully is close enough?
[21:58]  * TJ- rolls eyes
[21:58] <TJ-> Not at all; there is no guarantee their packages are the same as Ubuntu. We only support Ubuntu here
[21:58] <kostkon> !mint
[21:59] <ikonia> apologies - this isn't the first time he's been warned about that
[21:59] <TJ-> hehehe phew! saved me a lot of typing :)
[21:59] <ikonia> probably why he didn't want to do it in public chat
[22:00] <TJ-> He did originally ask in #grub but I wasn't there at that time; then I saw he'd got support here
[22:02] <TJ-> We've got a neat bug in GRUB too - if there's more than 1 cryptodisk and you try to mount the additional volumes, GRUB thinks they are already mounted and doesn't mount them. Nice denial of service; locked me out the PC for a couple hours this morning :)
[22:08] <Bashing-om> TJ-: ^^ How tough was that to track down ?
[22:10] <TJ-> Pretty easy. At the rescue prompt with "set debug=cryptodisk" the 'cryptomount hd0,gpt4' command kept telling me 'already mounted as crypto0' - I just grep-ed the source for the message and am about to test a fix
[22:11] <Bashing-om> TJ-: :) .. When you know what you are doing, does make it 'easy' .
[22:14] <TJ-> Bashing-om: grep-ing is hardly rocket science :)
[22:16] <TJ-> OK, reboot time... hopefully won't take me 2 hours to get back in this time
[22:17] <Bashing-om> TJ-: It is knowing what/when to grep that takes the cogitation. Like I have never encountered the need " set debug=cryptodisk " . Chances are I would heve missed it entirely . Good thing to keep in mind !
[22:18] <HomerDonut> can i install ubuntu on raspberry pi 2
[22:18] <HomerDonut> ?
[22:18] <Ben64> yep
[22:19] <HomerDonut> with the official iso?
[22:19] <Ben64> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[22:19] <HomerDonut> thank you!
[22:21] <eatingth_> I am having some issues with wired connectivity. It's strange because my router sees its connected my computer shows it has an IP assigned but i can't get to google or any other site.
[22:21] <eatingth_> I also can't access the router at <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:21] <HomerDonut> Ben64: is trusty 14.04 lts?
[22:22] <Ben64> did you read the page
[22:22] <HomerDonut> yes
[22:22] <HomerDonut> ohh
[22:22] <HomerDonut> okay, nvm
[22:22] <HomerDonut> :P
[22:22] <madebymarkca> Hey, I havent read all of the convo, but have you tried refit for your mac
[22:22] <madebymarkca> it is useful for dual boot and such
[22:25] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: DNS issue ? What returns ' ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS> ' ?
[22:25] <eatingth_> that just fails out. I have <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> set as my DNS in my router
[22:26] <chim> '
[22:26] <eatingth_> connect: Network is unreachable is the exact error Bashing-om
[22:26] <Maratus> I installed Ubuntu 15.04 and after some fiddling around with drivers to my r9 290 it seems when I boot back into Windows it no longer recognizes ANY USB devices. Has anyone had this problem before?
[22:26] <Maratus> I can't fix anything on the Windows side because I can't get any input in, I have a feeling there's something with GRUB that I can do to fix this.
[22:28] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Not even getting out of house. OK is the card working ? ' ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS> ' .
[22:28] <chim> id checkout stackoverflow
[22:29] <TechMonger> I am trying to get a linksys wireless-G pci adapter to work on ubuntu. anyone know where i could get the drivers?
[22:31] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: that responds properly
[22:33] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: K . Then it is back to look at what the system sees ' sudo lshw -C network ' .
[22:35] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: Do you want everything from that command? or a certain part? Just the computer im running it on i can't connect to in any way :/
[22:35] <Actpa> Anyone know how to get TeamSpeak 3 for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[22:36] <k1l> !teamspeak | Actpa
[22:36] <eatingth_> well and no it just keeps trying to connect before it was getting connectivity but it was because i modified /etc/networking/interface so it was auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp
[22:37] <eatingth_> but if i change it back to the default of auto lo and iface lo inet loopback it wont connect anymore
[22:37] <eatingth_> but even if it does connect as above i still can't talk to anything
[22:37] <eatingth_> *and now
[22:37] <Maratus> Actpa: If you want to install Teamspeak you'll have to use Wine.
[22:37] <aedend> TechMonger, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[22:37] <kostkon> Maratus, there is a linux version
[22:37] <Maratus> Ah, I was not aware.
[22:37] <k1l> Maratus: no
[22:38] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: The point of interest is the configuration line , what driver is loaded ? Mine " configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=8139too " .
[22:39] <Actpa> Martaus: What's wine?
[22:39] <Actpa> Ohh
[22:39] <k1l> Actpa: you dont need that. read the bots message
[22:39] <Actpa> kll: I did that but idk how to connect to a ts server
[22:39] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion-2.3K-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl8168g-2_0.0.1 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=1Gbit/s
[22:39] <k1l> Actpa: like you would on a windows machine
[22:40] <Actpa> kll: I've never connected like that via windows.
[22:40] <k1l> Actpa: you never used the teamspeak client on windows?
[22:41] <Actpa> kll: I have but it says to connect like teamspeak://
[22:41] <k1l> Actpa: just click in the client and enter the ip and port
[22:41] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Realtek .. driver is loaded . Are you running with network-manager (GUI) ? Have to tried to re-configure the networking from the app ?
[22:42] <Actpa> kll: Where do I install it at..
[22:42] <k1l> Actpa: install what?
[22:42] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: yeah i have the network-manager GUI started. I am using the default settings on DHCP auto
[22:42] <Actpa> kll: nevermind.
[22:43] <k1l> Actpa: are you trolling? you said you installed teamspeak client already and cant connect. now you say you dont have it installed?
[22:44] <Actpa> kll: I never installed the TS client I'm here to find out how lol
[22:44] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: I can set it to manual and then set all my info and it connect right away. however if i ping <IP_ADDRESS> i get connect:network is uncreachable
[22:44] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Is the correct interface identified . What does 'ifconfig' report as the interface name ?
[22:45] <k1l> Actpa: like most programs teamspeak got a menu. most of the menu entries are self explaining.
[22:45] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: I have eth0 and lo listed. with eth0 showing the ip address that i manually set.
[22:46] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: syslog shows No DHCPOFFERS recieved when it connects as well as no working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[22:47] <kaimast> oes anybody know hwo to remove saved settings for different monitors? i plug mine in and it sets it to the wrong frequency. nothing is displayed and there is no way to change it
[22:47] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: I can also see the driver r8169 report eth0: link up
[22:47] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Far from knowing network-manager ,,, but in " /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ' file is "managed=false" set ?
[22:49] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: yes it is
[22:51] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: I tried setting it to true as well as i saw that may help and restarted network-manager but exact same thing
[22:51] <eatingth_> syslog was exactly the same output as well
[22:53] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Confirm " /etc/network/interfaces // line 2 - auto lo - ; line 3 - iface lo inet loopback - // and nothing else .
[22:53] <eatingth_> Driving me a little crazy :/ I can see that dhcp is getting an offer of <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS> after it requests it but then just keeps outputting DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 internal 7
[22:54] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: a value of 'true' directs the system to use manual as the networking method from the set up in /etc/network/interfaces .
[22:54] <chim> who
[22:54] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: Yeah that is exactly what i have on those 2 lines
[22:54] <kaimast> help please: need to reset my monitor configuration(s) somehow. there is no xorg.conf and no monitors.xml on my machine
[22:59] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Well, what is set for the nameserver to get dhcp ' cat /etc/resolv.conf ' . And is the symlink still in place ' ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ' ?
[23:00] <_dreamer> Have some trouble loading jquery and other javascript into my html file. I've tried both chrome and firefox, but nothing. Googled for a while and found out it may have something to do with file permissions on my ubuntu system. Used chmod -R 775 on my /var/www/html folder. Still nothing
[23:01] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: hmmm.. I have nothing in resolv.conf but it is symlinked
[23:01] <_dreamer> following lines of code have been added to my head in html file. <script type="text/javascript" src="/res/lib/js/jquery-2.1.4.min.js"></script> 	<script type="text/javascript" src="/res/lib/js/system.js"></script>
[23:02] <_dreamer> system.js contains only $(document).ready(function() { alert("hello"); });
[23:02] <_dreamer> for testing
[23:02] <_dreamer> but nothing
[23:03] <_dreamer> is there some known bug of this?
[23:03] <eatingth_> _dreamer: /res/lib/js/jquery-2.1.4.min.js is not in /var/www/html
[23:03] <eatingth_> it's not a bug
[23:04] <_dreamer> my index file is in html folder
[23:04] <_dreamer> from there I take the path res/......
[23:04] <eatingth_> _dreamer: that doesn't matter
[23:04] <_dreamer> eatingth_: so what am I doing wrong?
[23:05] <eatingth_> _dreamer: You need to move jquery into /var/www/html
[23:05] <Actpa> When I try to CD to my user Desktop with root it gives me an error that says that directrory doesnt exist
[23:05] <Actpa> can someone help?
[23:05] <eatingth_> or set the permission on that directory to one that the var-www user can access
[23:05] <_dreamer> but I get css files in the same way and that workd
[23:05] <_dreamer> works
[23:06] <eatingth_> _dreamer: i'm guessing it's permissions are set different
[23:06] <eatingth_> or the owner is differen
[23:06] <eatingth_> *different
[23:07] <Actpa> Anyone? Please?
[23:07] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Is your router set up tp provide the dhcp ? I have mine set up such that sysop@1404mini:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf >> Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8 >> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN >> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> .
[23:08] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: yes my router is setup to provide dhcp
[23:08] <_dreamer> eatingth_: various sources I've googled say that the files only need read permission, is that true? I mean my js files
[23:08] <eatingth_> i'll try manually adding the nameserver see if that works
[23:09] <eatingth_> _dreamer: yeah but it will likely need to be world readable because i'm guessing the file is now owned by www-data
[23:09] <_dreamer> actually by me
[23:09] <_dreamer> how can I see all available groups?
[23:09] <eatingth_> yeah it could be you or root it wouldn't matter as apache is serving it up
[23:10] <eatingth_> well i guess it depends are you serving through a webserver
[23:11] <Actpa> SOMEONE PLEASE?
[23:11] <_dreamer> eatingth_: I listed all groups by typing groups. I only seem to have a root group
[23:11] <eatingth_> Bashing-om: Thanks for all your help i think this is a dhcp issue ill have to look into more
[23:11] <eatingth_> _dreamer: you typed in sudo groups
[23:12] <_dreamer> eatingth_: cat /etc/group
[23:12] <k1l> Actpa: dont do stuff as root
[23:12] <Actpa> kll: I dont have access to make a Dir..
[23:12] <k1l> Actpa: where?
[23:12] <eatingth_> _dreamer: that file only has root in it?
[23:13] <_dreamer> eatingth_: never mind I checked the wrong thing at first
[23:13] <k1l> Actpa: you got all right permissions in your users home. if you dont you have already messed up the system with using root in very false ways
[23:13] <_dreamer> eatingth_: I found the www-data group, but I dont know how to list its permissions
[23:17] <_dreamer> eatingth_: I chowned the /var/www folder and it now works
[23:17] <_dreamer> eatingth_: is this safe?
[23:17] <k1l> Actpa: ?
[23:17] <samthewildone> Is there a way I can get audio to play on my server ?
[23:17] <samthewildone> I attempted the ubuntu-server channel but no one responds.
[23:18] <NegativeFlare> samthewildone: pulseaudio
[23:18] <Bashing-om> eatingth_: Yeah I do think we have the problem identified, Now maybe run ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf ' -> It will present you with a question about preparing /etc/resolv.conf for dynamic updates .
[23:19] <NegativeFlare> samthewildone: but you're going to probably have issues with systemd not wanting to install properly :/
[23:19] <Actpa> I still gotta fix my damn microphone..
[23:19] <Actpa> no clue why it doesnt work.
[23:20] <NegativeFlare> Actpa: checked alsamixer?
[23:20] <NegativeFlare> or pavucontrol?
[23:20] <Actpa> Yeah.. I've done alot.
[23:20] <Actpa> My internal mic on my laptop
[23:20] <Actpa> says it's unavilable.
[23:20] <Actpa> on skype.
[23:20] <Actpa> pavu*
[23:20] <Actpa> on pavu*
[23:21] <k1l> !skype | Actpa
[23:21] <Actpa> kll: I have skype installed.
[23:21] <tgm4883> Actpa: does the microphone work on your desktop in other software?
[23:21] <Actpa> On windows 7 it did.
[23:21] <k1l> Actpa: really look into the help page for skype the bot linked. it got a troubleshoot section
[23:22] <Actpa> And I tried it with audicity
[23:22] <Actpa> it didnt work.
[23:22] <tgm4883> Actpa: k1l: well if it doesn't work outside of skype, it surely won't work inside skype
[23:23] <Actpa> tgm4883: thats what i dont understand. It works perfectly find on Windows 7. I came to ubuntu and it doesnt work at all.
[23:23] <Actpa> fine*
[23:23] <k1l> if the soundsettings are wrong it will not work anywhere, correct. but we will never know if he doesnt look that up and works the step by step
[23:23] <tgm4883> Actpa: well Windows isn't Linux, so the fact that it works there only serves to show that the microphone hardware isn't broken
[23:24] <Actpa> Maybe I need a select Driver for ubuntu?
[23:24] <Actpa> This is a Dell afterall..
[23:24] <tgm4883> Actpa: did you go through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SkypeTroubleshooting
[23:24] <k1l> Actpa: did you look into the troubleshoot wiki page that is linked in the skype wiki page?
[23:25] <tgm4883> Actpa: now sure how it being a Dell matters...
[23:25] <Actpa> yes.
[23:25] <tgm4883> Actpa: what model is the laptop?
[23:25] <CharlatanPleb> penis
[23:25] <Actpa> tgm4883: Dell Latitude E6420
[23:25] <NegativeFlare> CharlatanPleb: let's not, Rated G please.
[23:26] <Actpa> kll: and yes, I did go through it. I'm not using a external microphone. It's on my laptop.
[23:26] <k1l> Actpa: that doesnt matter
[23:27] <Actpa> kll: well, I looked through it. Nothing relates to my issue.
[23:27] <tgm4883> heh
[23:27] <k1l> Actpa: m(
[23:27] <tgm4883> Actpa: is this 14.04?
[23:27] <Actpa> tgm4883: Yes.
[23:28] <k1l> Actpa: ok i am out. there is a brilliant troubleshoot page, but since you dont even want to read and use it i lost motivation.
[23:28] <Actpa> lol
[23:28] <Actpa> k1l: I read it. I told you nothing releated to my issue.
[23:29] <tgm4883> k1l: well, interestingly enough there appears to be a driver for the microphone
[23:29] <Actpa> k1l: I see the microphone under my input devices, It says it's unavilable.
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> Sounds like a driver issue lol
[23:29] <k1l> Actpa: it is.
[23:29] <Actpa> I was talking to someone earlier, we couldnt find out how to install the driver.
[23:30] <tgm4883> But the driver link I've got is for 10.10, so unless it can't be included I would have thought it would have made it into stock by now
[23:30] <Actpa> Oh dear.
[23:32] <Actpa> So do you think I should contact Dell or something?
[23:34] <tgm4883> Actpa: can you fire up pavucontrol and post a screenshot of the page with the microphone on it?
[23:35] <Actpa> sure one sec
[23:35] <Actpa> You mean the dropdown menu or with the (unavilable) microphone selected?
[23:35] <tgm4883> drop down menu should be fine
[23:36] <Actpa> http://imgur.com/Y739hjl
[23:37] <Actpa> tgm4883: http://imgur.com/Y739hjl
[23:37] <tgm4883> hmm
[23:39] <Actpa> talking to dell atm to see if they have an updated driver..
[23:39] <tgm4883> Actpa: What's listed under configuration?
[23:39] <Actpa> sec I'll screenie it.
[23:39] <Actpa> I cant screenie it..
[23:39] <Actpa> ffs
[23:40] <Actpa> Is there like a gyazo for Ubuntu?
[23:41]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[23:41] <Actpa> We don't have Ubuntu drivers for this system and we also don't support Ubuntu for Dell. You will have to contact Ubuntu support for this. Their numbers are 1-866-6221947 and 1-866-9828688 .
[23:41] <Actpa> That's from dell...
[23:41] <andy_mahurin> I have been trying to follow the instructions on how to upgrade the voice for festival.  http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/jyamagis/software/page54/page54.html
[23:41] <tgm4883> Actpa: how about the output of 'dmesg'
[23:42] <Actpa> tgm4883: Whata mean? Under output devices?
[23:42] <tgm4883> Actpa: no, run that command and pastebin the output
[23:42] <Actpa> oh okay
[23:43] <Actpa> http://pastebin.com/3PNB1eyM
[23:43] <Actpa> tgm4883: http://pastebin.com/3PNB1eyM
[23:46] <tgm4883> Actpa: sorry, I don't know
[23:46] <Actpa> alright..
[23:46] <Actpa> It's okay.
[23:46] <Actpa> thank you for trying.
[23:46] <tgm4883> There doesn't seem to be much indicating why something would be "unavailable"
[23:46] <Actpa> I appreciate it.
[23:46] <tgm4883> I've seen that on my wifi device when the hardware switch was off
[23:46] <tgm4883> I'm guessing you don't have a hardware switch on that
[23:47] <Actpa> Nope.
[23:47] <Actpa> I think it is a driver issue.
[23:47] <Actpa> They told me to contact Ubuntu.
[23:47] <Actpa> I'll try that.
[23:47] <mtn> Actpa, I missed what you were trying to fix. what kind of driver?
[23:47] <tgm4883> mtn: his microphone says "unavailable"
[23:47] <Actpa> mtn: I'm trying to fix my microphone.
[23:47] <mtn> Actpa, builtin or headset?
[23:47] <Actpa> Built In.
[23:48] <tgm4883> mtn: dell Latitude E6420
[23:48] <tgm4883> we found a driver for 10.10
[23:48] <Actpa> I already contacted Dell they said they dont support drivers for Ubuntu.
[23:48] <mtn> Actpa, have you tried using pavucontrol to set it?
[23:48] <Actpa> Yes.
[23:48] <Actpa> That's where it tells me my microphone is not available.
[23:48] <tgm4883> Actpa: how old is this laptop?
[23:48] <mtn> Actpa, are there device options?
[23:49] <Actpa> tgm4883: I bought it used, but it's only 6 years old.
[23:49] <tgm4883> ok
[23:49] <Actpa> mtn: Under Input?
[23:49] <mtn> Actpa, input and configuration, I believe it is called
[23:49] <Actpa> mtn: There's alot under config but I cant print screen it.
[23:49] <Actpa> mtn: already tried.
[23:50] <mtn> Actpa, ok.
[23:50] <muka> I have a problem. I'm pressing volume up and down, and xev shows same keycode for both keys. How can I remap it?
[23:50] <mtn> Actpa, is you sound card intel?
[23:50] <Actpa> mtn: Where do I find out? I believe it is.
[23:50] <tgm4883> Actpa: show us the output of 'lspci'
[23:51] <mtn> Actpa, also you can install inxi and then run: inxi -A
[23:51] <muka> Actpa, first try alsamixer and press F5, see if mic is detected and CAPTURE is showing under it.
[23:52] <Actpa> http://pastebin.com/x4FKQ4Sd <-- lspci
[23:53] <mtn> Actpa, to get any other intel audio drivers, you would have to get them from intel
[23:53] <Actpa> muka: There is no mic that has capture under it. There's a bar with just 'CAPTURE' under it
[23:54] <Actpa> mtn: Is it a Intel Driver?
[23:54] <Actpa> mtn: I mean is my sound card Intel?
[23:54] <mtn> Actpa, yes, that is what you pasted says
[23:54] <Actpa> mtn: Okay, thank you. I'll try contacting them.
[23:54] <mtn> Actpa, Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[23:54] <muka> ok, now try this arecord test.wav
[23:55] <muka> after you done press ctr+C
[23:55] <muka> to quit
[23:55] <Hans1> hi
[23:55] <Actpa> i did aplay test.wav
[23:55] <Actpa> I heard nothing.
[23:55] <muka> any sound?
[23:55] <Actpa> nope
[23:56] <muka> ok try this: sudo dmesg | grep -i mic
[23:56] <Actpa> want the pastebin?
[23:56] <muka> in terminal. Can kernel recognize your mic or you get some errors
[23:57] <Actpa> muka: http://pastebin.com/GP7RLCLe
[23:57] <Actpa> it has "mic" highlighted in red.
[23:58] <Actpa> muka, http://imgur.com/Yd7ZEC7


 It explains how to become an Ubuntu member
[03:37] <IdleOne> you mean you people actually check
[03:37] <IdleOne> :)
[03:38] <jase21> I checked it. Ok I got it. Bye :)
[11:52] <humphreybc> Hello
[11:52] <humphreybc> If I could bother you for two secs, could I grab an Ubuntu members cloak?
[11:53] <gryllida> I was looking for it the other day, this page is a bit helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[11:53] <tsimpson> can you post a link to your launchpad page
[11:53] <humphreybc> tsimpson: https://launchpad.net/~humphreybc
[11:54] <gryllida> wow, founder and leader of the Ubuntu Manual project
[11:55] <tsimpson> VorTechS: are you available?
[11:56]  * tsimpson finds a staffer
[11:56] <humphreybc> tsimpson: there's no huge rush, don't want to bother anyone
[11:57] <tsimpson> hopefully one should pop up soon
[11:57] <humphreybc> tsimpson: groovy. I'll be around for another hour or so before I hit the sack
[11:59] <tsimpson> * humphreybc (~benjamin@ubuntu/member/humphreybc) has joined #ubuntu-irc
[11:59] <tsimpson> :)
[12:00] <humphreybc> is that all done now?
[12:00] <tsimpson> yep, all set
[12:00] <humphreybc> awesome, thankyou!
[12:00] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[12:01] <humphreybc> talk to you later Terence :)
[19:28] <plars> according to the lp team description, this is the right place to ask about getting an Ubuntu irc cloak?
[19:31] <nhandler> plars: Are you an official ubuntu member?
[19:31] <plars> nhandler: yes, pwlars on lp
[19:31] <nhandler> plars: Do you have a link to your LP profile?
[19:31] <plars> nhandler: https://launchpad.net/~pwlars
[19:31] <nhandler> jussi, tsimpson, Pici, topyli: ^^^
[19:32] <Pici> sure, one moment.
[19:33] <Pici> nhandler: Could you please cloak plars with ubuntu/member/plars ?
[19:33] <nhandler> plars: You might also want to set an email address: /msg nickserv help set email
[19:33] <nhandler> plars: You are now cloaked though
[19:34] <Pici> plars: Congrats :)
[19:34] <plars> thanks :)
[19:35] <IdleOne> congrats plars
[19:35] <plars> thanks for the help everyone
[19:36] <IdleOne> did nhandler just ask Pici to look at the link so Pici could ask nhandler to add the cloak?
[19:36] <rww> IdleOne: yup. nhandler doesn't have a group contact hat, and was wearing his staffer hat
[19:37] <rww> IdleOne: (the procedure being user asks group contact, who asks staff)
[19:37] <IdleOne> I see, so for officialness sake
[19:37]  * rww nods
[19:37] <IdleOne> makes sense
[19:37] <nhandler> Group Contacts are the only people who can request project cloaks, it isn't just for Ubuntu
[19:39] <IdleOne> nhandler: just found it funny that you are the one who added the cloak and asked Pici to confirm. Does make sense now that I realize you aren't a group contact
[19:40] <Pici> I also checked for member status and added to the cloaked users team.
[19:40] <rww> What's that team for, anyway?
[19:41] <Pici> Just to keep track of who we have cloaked.  Makes it easier to de-cloak people when their membership lapses.
[19:46] <IdleOne> So we have to get re-approved after X time?
[19:47] <rww> IdleOne: Ubuntu Memberships need self-renewing every so often. once a year, iirc.
[19:47] <IdleOne> ahh ok
[19:47] <nhandler> And if you let your membership lapse, we revoke the cloak
[19:47] <IdleOne> and if that happens then I would need to reapply?
[19:48] <nhandler> IdleOne: I can't remember the process for re-gaining membership. I believe you need to reapply, but don't hold me to that
[19:48] <IdleOne> I won't
[19:48] <nhandler> Actually, I think I've seen people just poke someone with sufficient access to get re-added
[19:49] <nhandler> Best thing to do is not let your membership lapse
[22:09] <io> Hi could I get a Ubuntu cloak please?
[22:11] <guntbert> io: I have no say in this case - but are you an ubuntu member already?
[22:11] <io> guntbert: Yes.
[22:11] <nhandler> io: Do you have a link to your LP profile?
[22:14] <nhandler> jussi, Pici, topyli, tsimpson: ^^^
[22:23] <drubin> you know io that io nick on launchpad is already taken right?
[22:24] <io> It's unused and I have requested it. :-)
[22:24] <drubin> Ok.
[22:25] <tsimpson> io: are you already an ubuntu member?
[22:26] <drubin> yes
[22:26] <nhandler> tsimpson: Look up
[22:26] <tsimpson> I don't see a link to a LP profile :)
[22:26] <drubin> io: but you should link to your old LP profile
[22:27] <io> https://launchpad.net/~steffan
[22:27] <nhandler> Oh wait, he PMed it to me ;)
[22:27] <tsimpson> io: can you add your IRC nicks to the profile
[22:27] <tsimpson> ?
[22:27] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/~steffan
[22:27] <bazhang> whoops sorry
[22:28] <io> tsimpson: Done.
[22:28] <tsimpson> nhandler: can you give io an ubuntu/member/io cloak please?
[22:29] <nhandler> tsimpson: Yep, I'll take care of it
[22:29] <drubin> nhandler: Why did you ping them?
[22:30] <tsimpson> drubin: because cloaks needs to be approved by a GC
[22:30] <drubin> GC?
[22:30] <tsimpson> Group Contact
[22:30] <drubin> mmm which is?
[22:30] <drubin> never mind ;-p
[22:30] <nhandler> io: You are now cloaked
[22:31] <drubin> I actually thought any board member could approve cloaks sorry. ;-p
[22:31] <tsimpson> the long and short of it is that because nhandler is staff, he is not set as a contact for the Ubuntu group to avoid any possible conflict of interest
[22:31] <tsimpson> even though he is a member of the council (go figure) :)
[22:32] <io> nhandler: Thank you.
[22:33] <drubin> yip odd.
[22:33] <drubin> tsimpson: So is it only you 4 that can approve cloaks?
[22:34] <tsimpson> yes
[22:34] <drubin> Really thought there were more of you cloak giving peoples around ;-p
[22:34] <tsimpson> we cope
[22:35] <drubin> Any how that was a long membership meeting. So you should have  a few more people wanting cloaks
[22:35] <nhandler> Well, I should be around for a while to apply them if needed.
[22:36] <niko> yep, me too
[22:44] <scott_ev> hello hello, may I please have my claok now?
[22:44] <scott_ev> cloak*
[22:44] <nhandler> scott_ev: Do you have a link to your LP profile?
[22:45] <scott_ev> nhandler: just a sec
[22:45] <scott_ev> nhandler: https://launchpad.net/~jsg-ev
[22:45] <scott_ev> is there any way to change that jsg-ev to scott-ev
[22:46] <nhandler> scott_ev: /msg nickserv help set accountname
[22:46] <rww> nhandler: I think he meant on Launchpad
[22:46] <scott_ev> correct
[22:46] <nhandler> Bleh, that's what I get for trying to multitask
[22:46] <scott_ev> LP was done forst and doesn't follow everythign else
[22:46] <rww> scott_ev: one sec, I'll find you the link
[22:47] <scott_ev> rww: thank you
[22:47] <nhandler> scott_ev: I think you might need to file a question against LP to get the admins to do it
[22:47] <tsimpson> scott_ev: try https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit
[22:47] <scott_ev> nhandler: understood.  easy enough
[22:47] <scott_ev> tsimpson: nice
[22:47] <tsimpson> you should be able to change the account as long as you don't have a PPA and the other name is not taken
[22:48] <nhandler> Ah, I forgot a PPA locked that down (which explains why I didn't have the edit box)
[22:50] <scott_ev> tsimpson: correct and done
[22:50] <scott_ev> this is exciting
[22:51] <nhandler> scott_ev: What is the new URL
[23:04] <scott_ev> crap, sorry nhandler I got distracted
[23:05] <scott_ev> https://launchpad.net/~j.scott.gwin
[23:06] <nhandler> jussi, tsimpson, Pici, topyli: ^^^
[23:07] <jussi> nhandler: please go ahead and cloak him
[23:08] <scott_ev> nice
[23:08] <scott_ev> thanks
[23:09] <nhandler> You are welcome. Have a nice day
[23:14] <scott_ev> done