[13:45] <angs> I have an armel processor and I will use qemu emulator on x64 ubuntu 13.10. do I need to add dpkg --add-architecture armhf for armel?
[13:45] <angs> if I run dpkg --add-architecture armel, it outputs "W: Failed to fetch http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-armel/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)" when I run apt-get update
[13:45] <ogra_> there is no support for aarmel in ubuntu anymore
[13:45] <ogra_> *armel
[13:47] <angs> is armhf better than armel? why ubuntu does not support it anymore
[13:49] <ogra_> its not "better" they support different things ... and are optimized for different hardware
[13:50] <angs> I see thank you
[13:50] <angs> my purpose is to run qemu emulator to run debian 7.4(armel) on ubuntu 13.10(x86). can I do it on ubuntu?
[13:50] <ogra_> armel supports older hardware but is not optimized for the latest ...
[13:50] <ogra_> ubuntu armhf only runs on ARMv7 hardware and newer
[13:50] <ogra_> sure
[13:50] <ogra_> you just needs to install the right qemu
[13:51] <angs> I installed qemu-user-static
[13:51] <ogra_> and then follow whatever debian emulator howto you have
[13:51] <ogra_> qemu-user.static is for chroots
[13:51] <ogra_> not for a full VM
[13:51] <ogra_> you want qemu-user-system or qemu-system
[13:52] <angs> ah ok, thanks I will look into that one
[13:52] <ogra_> and use the armel binary from that for your setup
[14:19] <angs> ogra_ I have kernel and root files (armel) on a microSD card. can I run the linux on any GUI based VM  on my laptop (x64) that does the same thing what qemu-system does?
[14:20] <ogra_> yes, qemu starts a complete virtual machine, but it is limited in what HW it supports ... whatever howto you use for brining up your debian VM should tell you though
[14:22] <angs> thank you
[19:08] <arg_> Hi , I am using Ubuntu 14.04 beta-2 arm root file system and facing an error . I see an empty desktop with just a mouse pointer .If I stop lightdm and manually run X , I see the X window. I am using the default modesetting driver and not sure if its driver issue. Can anyone please help me with this issue with lightdm/driver issue ?
[19:56] <arg_> Hi , I am using Ubuntu 14.04 beta-2 arm root file system and facing an error . I see an empty desktop with just a mouse pointer .If I stop lightdm and manually run X , I see the X window. I  am using the default modesetting driver and not sure if its driver issue. Can anyone please help me with this issue with lightdm/driver issue ?


[13:09] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:11] <rick_h> IE morning
[13:43] <snap-l> Ugh
[13:53] <rick_h> this made me laugh more than it should have https://twitter.com/_cz/status/368002985516736512
[13:58] <snap-l> rick_h: Heh
[13:58] <snap-l> Just goes to show that even the smallest project can have bugs
[15:17] <greg-g> Fx morning
[15:17] <greg-g> (is that the pattern?)
[15:17] <rick_h> greg-g: heh, naw. It's not that slow or odd
[15:18] <greg-g> IE?
[15:19] <rick_h> IE is that broken
[15:19] <rick_h> we're on a "Make IE10 work" bug rush this week
[15:19] <rick_h> so yay me
[15:20] <rick_h> though I had a fit when I read http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/08/14/firefox-to-remain-default-very-nice especially "As you are probably aware Firefox is actually in most recent benchmarks showing superior performance over other browsers."
[15:20] <rick_h> so many assumptions with so little data...gotta love how anyone can post anything
[15:21] <greg-g> it's benjamin, after all. Run on sentences don't just write themselves, you know.
[15:21] <rick_h> hah
[15:21] <greg-g> sorry, he's a nice enough guy, just man, grammar.
[15:21] <rick_h> one of these days I need to get on the planet
[15:21] <greg-g> take my spot ;)
[15:21] <rick_h> hah
[15:22] <rick_h> "Hello, my name is greg rickmesser and today I want to talk about browser performance falacies"
[15:22] <greg-g> hehe
[15:30] <greg-g> w00t! I'm getting a fancy desk!
[15:30] <rick_h> sweet
[15:30] <rick_h> new toys for greg-g !
[15:32] <greg-g> :)
[15:43] <Blazeix> what's the current google apps account status? is it flawless integration with personal google accounts?
[15:43] <Blazeix> or is still kind of iffy? I've heard people have all sorts of issues with it
[15:49] <rick_h> huh?
[15:50] <rick_h> goole apps status for what?
[15:50] <rick_h> oh, the account switching stuff?
[15:50] <Blazeix> there are two types of accounts, personal, and google apps, right?
[15:50] <Blazeix> anything I'd need to watch out for if i'm making a google apps account?
[15:51] <Blazeix> basically i don't want to hose my personal account if i make a google apps account
[15:51] <rick_h> so basically I log into my personal account first, then switch accounts and login into work account
[15:51] <rick_h> it works ok for me
[15:52] <rick_h> I do run into issues once in a while and I use an incognito window to get around it
[15:52] <rick_h> ctrl-shift-n and then login and not worry about it
[15:52] <rick_h> I try not to leave both logged in/open in the same apps at the same time
[15:56] <snap-l> I'm currently in the unsubscribed from planet Ubuntu phase
[15:56] <snap-l> and in the "couldn't care less about Edge" phase
[15:59] <snap-l> Huh, quick scan of the front page makes me think I should resub to planet Ubuntu
[16:00] <snap-l> Doesn't seem to be the echo chamber that I've grown accustomed
[16:00] <snap-l> (to seeing)
[16:12] <snap-l> Would someone riddle me how someone can charge over $20 more for the eBook than they're charging for the hardcover book?
[16:12] <snap-l> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/artificial-intelligence-for-games-ian-millington/1100526673?ean=9780080885032
[16:12] <snap-l> And I'm sure they'll be the first to bitch that the eBook isn't selling
[16:14] <rick_h> hah
[16:14] <rick_h> have to make up the $$ somewhere
[16:15] <snap-l> I'm sure the brain trust was hot that night
[16:16] <greg-g> snap-l: "publisher logic"
[16:17] <snap-l> The only thing that makes some sense is I think the ePub isn't the same as the Kindle (which is essentially a scanned PDF)
[17:39] <brousch> I'm famous! http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e2e180baf855ac797ef407fc7&id=34ad3af7d4&e=5f5a97549c
[17:39] <greg-g> ugh, campaing-archive2.com urls
[17:39] <greg-g> with the g in the right spot
[17:40] <brousch> Sorry
[17:43] <snap-l> For this we demand a sacrifice
[17:44] <snap-l> You must give me $229 + tax
[17:45] <greg-g> the tax is at a 98% rate, and payable to me
[17:46] <snap-l> Sure, why not
[17:46] <brousch> :P
[17:46] <snap-l> That's 453.42
[17:46] <brousch> Anyways, my Kivy talk is in there, and I didn't submit it
[17:47] <snap-l> woo hoo
[17:47] <snap-l> That puts me in a generous mood. I'll only give greg-g 96%
[17:47] <greg-g> .......
[17:48] <snap-l> greg-g is speechless with delight
[17:48] <greg-g> that's it
[18:19] <snap-l> well this is interesting
[18:19] <snap-l> can't seem to get to google from home
[18:19] <brousch> bing it
[18:20] <rick_h> snap-l: that's one heck of a drive. No wonder you're having trouble
[18:20] <snap-l> Can't get to bing
[18:20] <snap-l> Using home as a SSH proxy
[18:20] <greg-g> google is everywhere, maaaaan
[18:20] <snap-l> something is wonky with the net
[18:20] <brousch> yahoo it
[18:21] <greg-g> ya-who?
[18:22] <snap-l> Hm, name resolver
[18:24] <rick_h> "502 · NewsBlur is down" :(
[18:25] <brousch>  <IP_ADDRESS> it
[18:26] <snap-l> Wonder if Google's name servers went for a toss?
[18:26] <rick_h> I'm using <IP_ADDRESS> w/o issue
[18:27] <rick_h> but newsblur having a network issue means I'd suspect some big pipes went boom?
[18:27] <snap-l> OK, now things are coming back up
[18:27] <greg-g> rick_h: newsblur works for me
[18:27] <rick_h> ah, it's back yay
[18:27] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm wondering if there was a DNS issue
[18:28] <snap-l> because I could get to my sites, but that's because I ping them every 15 minutes
[18:28] <snap-l> strange
[19:16] <brousch> Why did none of you tell me?! http://barnsyard.com/2013/08/14/ann-arbor-institution-krazy-jims-blimpy-burger-has-served-its-last-ground-beef-masterpiece-for-now-anyway/
[19:41] <snap-l> We didn't know
[19:42] <brousch> Damnit. You guys are my East side connections
[19:46] <greg-g> I did, and I live in SF
[19:46] <greg-g> sorry for not informing you, brousch
[19:47]  * greg-g saw via someone's instragram of them waiting in line for their last blimpy burger
[19:48] <brousch> My reasons for visiting Ann Arbor have just been cut in half
[19:58] <widox> hehe. I knew. they were charging like $100 to get a table for the last day
[19:59] <widox> pretty crazy
[19:59] <greg-g> seriously? insane
[20:00] <widox> yeah, not seeing how its worth it. but i guess folks were there
[20:01] <greg-g> "to say you did it"
[20:07] <brousch> Totally worth it. There might never be another one, ever!
[20:08] <brousch> Eat it. Save the turd the next day. Bronze it. Sell it for $1000 on ebay in 10 years.
[20:10] <snap-l> 10 minutes
[20:14] <brousch> Why does this not exist for Python? http://technical.io/
[20:15] <snap-l> I think there's some work to do something like this under Python
[20:16] <snap-l> but it looks like a nodejs server running on an embedded platform
[20:16] <snap-l> with some libraries to make things happy
[21:04] <widox> brousch: heard they are planning to open another one, but not definite plans yet


 No progress.
[04:50] <jthan> Got it.. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Unforunately I don't actually use Ubuntu anymore, so I can't very well try to replicate
[04:50] <jthan> :-/
[09:27] <rmg51> Morning
[12:15] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs?, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[14:18] <InHisName> jthan: MeToo :-/
[14:18] <InHisName> Morning # 2
[15:13] <lp|sprint> o/


[03:06] <CIA-23> ubiquity: superm1 * r2429 ubiquity/ (7 files in 5 dirs): update plugins for MythTV 0.21 changes
[10:15] <xivulon> I was reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-January/024967.html
[10:16] <xivulon> Now that we can support loopinstallation targets in ubiquity
[10:16] <xivulon> Ubiquity + an appropriate preseed should be enough to generate a VM image file
[10:16] <xivulon> Would that approach help?
[10:55] <evand> xivulon: would it be an unreasonable feature request to ask that Wubi ejects the CD when you hit the reboot button?
[10:55] <evand> I find the isolinux menu to be quite confusing in the context of using wubi.
[10:56] <evand> oh, and it works!
[10:57] <evand> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20080131.2/ has wubi.exe in the root of the CD filesystem.
[11:01] <xivulon> ah great news!
[11:01] <xivulon> re CD eject, I thought that the working was like that
[11:01] <xivulon> 1) if you are using an ISO it should skip the eject question and reboot straight away
[11:01] <xivulon> 2) if you are using a CD, it should ask
[11:02] <xivulon> that was somewhere in init.d/ubiquity
[11:02] <xivulon> there should be a line that checks for find_iso in /proc/cmdline, which indicates we are using an ISO
[11:05] <xivulon> hmm evand can you rephrase the question? I thought you were talking about the final reboot/eject.
[11:05] <evand> ah, ok
[11:06] <xivulon> do you mean a reboot during installation?
[11:06] <evand> imho, in Windows, when wubi is done and prompts the user to reboot now or reboot later, pressing reboot now should eject the CD
[11:07] <evand> as it's no longer needed and creates confusion if the CDROM is the first boot device
[11:07] <xivulon> ah sorry was thinking about the linux side
[11:08] <xivulon> yes the code is there, but did not work and forgot to check that (should use lp bugs more).
[11:08] <xivulon> will turn it on but cannot do it today
[11:08] <evand> that's ok, it's too late to put that feature into the alpha anyway
[11:09] <evand> I'll just release note that
[11:10] <xivulon> sure
[11:10] <xivulon> I have always tested with ISO images and completely forgot about that
[11:13] <evand> I did get a access violation once when running wubi, but I was able to successfully run it several times before and after that.
[11:13] <xivulon> that is using a physical CD?
[11:13] <evand> yes
[11:14] <xivulon> I will do more tests with that using alpha4. For the eject you can track bug #187601
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187601 in wubi "Wubi does not eject the CD when rebooting" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187601
[11:15] <evand> perhaps windows doesn't like the filesystem being ripped out from under the process?
[11:17] <xivulon> not sure at this point, it would be nice if you could reproduce that.
[11:21] <evand> you could always copy wubi.exe to the temporary folder, exec and fork, exit, and reparent the child to init (translated into windows somehow), no?
[11:21] <evand> I'll try to reproduce it, I imagine I'll encounter it again in further testing
[11:22] <xivulon> I guess so
[11:28] <xivulon> Probably should have used DeviceIoControl to eject...
[11:29] <cjwatson> wubi> fantastic, really glad to hear it
[11:29]  * xivulon glad too!
[11:31] <xivulon> many many thanks to evand and cjwatson!
[11:31] <evand> xivulon: thank you for all your hard work
[11:32]  * xivulon builds barricades in wubi forum
[11:32] <evand> hahaha
[11:32] <evand> xivulon: do you mind if I blog post this to Planet Ubuntu later today?
[11:33] <xivulon> absolutely
[14:34] <xivulon> shall we add a mention to wubi in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4?
[14:51] <evand> indeed
[14:54] <xivulon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54214/
[14:55] <xivulon> evand ^
[15:02] <evand> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54220/
[15:02] <evand> xivulon: looks good to me, do you approve?
[15:03] <xivulon> yes, will add to wiki
[15:03] <evand> thanks
[15:03] <evand> don't forget to add your name to the credits
[15:04] <evand> and pleasae let me know when you're done
[15:04] <evand> hrmm, perhaps we should insert something along the lines of "when wubi is done installing in Windows, be sure to remove the CD from the drive"
[15:05] <evand> I'm going to add a note about that problem to the cavets sections, but not everyone will read that far down
[15:05] <evand> caveats*
[15:07] <xivulon> done
[15:07] <xivulon> needs a screenshot
[15:08] <evand> sure, I'll take care of it
[15:09] <xivulon> thanks
[15:09] <evand> oh, as I only mentioned it in #ubuntu-release, kubuntu wubi isn't working, but it's on the ubuntu side of things.
[15:09] <evand> I'm looking into it, but it will be post-Alpha
[15:11] <xivulon> ok
[15:28] <evand> there we go
[15:28] <xivulon> :)
[15:37] <xivulon> what is the issue with kde
[15:39] <evand> kdm launches before ubiquity can, the kde frontend still shows the welcome page when in --automatic mode, and it crashed hard part way through the install for me.
[15:39] <evand> that's what I've found so far :)
[15:41] <xivulon> that will affect any ubiquity-automatic not just wubi I suppose
[15:42] <evand> indeed, that's what I meant by it being on the ubuntu side of things
[15:42] <xivulon> Ah I already had the eject warning in the feature description
[15:42] <xivulon> "...Wubi works with a physical CD (make sure to remove the CD before rebooting) or ..."
[15:42] <evand> oh?  I apparently cannot read.
[15:48] <evand> feel free to reword that or I'll take care of it after I'm done drafting this blog post.
[16:00] <xivulon> there is another issue for wubi in stand-alone mode (using the downloader): the urls/filenames are not correct for kubuntu and other derivatives
[16:00] <xivulon> ubuntu is fine
[16:01] <evand> ok
[16:06] <xivulon> added that to the note in the features list
[16:07] <evand> do you mind if I move it to the caveats section?  I don't think its a severe enough problem to warrant that kind of immediate attention
[16:08] <evand> also, is there a bug associated with this?
[16:08] <xivulon> nope will do one
[16:08] <evand> ok
[16:08] <xivulon> that will be an issue for the final
[16:08] <evand> indeed
[16:09] <xivulon> I mean urls are encoded inside wubi, but we cannot test with new urls/file-names
[16:09] <xivulon> before the release
[16:09] <xivulon> so we need to be double sure that what we have in isolist.ini and in the metalinks is correct
[16:09] <evand> indeed, we can talk to cjwatson about that as we get closer to the final release
[16:10] <cjwatson> the metalinks stuff is delegated to Steve
[16:10] <xivulon> there are 2 separate issues
[16:11] <evand> ah, to slangasek then
[16:11] <xivulon> in fact not
[16:12] <cjwatson> oh, you don't mean creating metalinks on cdimage?
[16:12] <xivulon> yes
[16:12] <xivulon> but the only use is for md5 checks of pre-downloaded ISO
[16:12] <xivulon> think of people with no internet and no CD
[16:13] <xivulon> but you cannot put md5 within the CD itself
[16:13] <xivulon> at least not the md5 of the full ISO
[16:13] <xivulon> will have to use the md5 of the files in the ISO
[16:13] <xivulon> but that requires either extracting the files or finding a library capable of mounting ISOs in windows
[16:14] <xivulon> in either case it makes the usefulness of metalink files inside the ISO a mutt point
[16:17] <xivulon> isolist.ini contains other info that has to be on the CD, basically the content of .disk/info
[16:18] <xivulon> pluse isofile name
[16:18] <xivulon> plus
[16:22] <xivulon> evand bug #187701
[16:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187701 in wubi "Fix urls and file names for derivative distros" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187701
[16:23] <evand> updated, thanks
[16:41] <xivulon> evand see also #187718
[16:42] <evand> ok
[18:31] <evand> cjwatson: in the initscripts, kdm gets started at 13 which doesn't work well with the ubiquity initscript (starts at 29).  Should I change KDM to start later or ubiquity to start earlier, or do I need a different approach entirely?
[18:34] <cjwatson> hmm, there was a reason to start it later
[18:34] <cjwatson> unfortunately I don't appear to have documented it
[18:34] <evand> heh
[18:34] <evand> gdm starts later obviously, but it appears that it used to start earlier
[18:34] <cjwatson> shouldn't kdm's startup be suppressed when automatic-ubiquity or only-ubiquity is in use?
[18:34] <evand> so perhaps kdm hasn't caught up with some change?
[18:35] <cjwatson> maybe what we should do is:
[18:35] <cjwatson> * suppress both gdm and kdm normal startup
[18:35] <evand> cjwatson: wasn't the idea to fall back to kdm when ubiquity crashes?
[18:35] <cjwatson> * have ubiquity's init script explicitly start kdm at the end if ubiquity didn't say to reboot
[18:35] <cjwatson> (or gdm or whatever)
[18:35] <cjwatson> getting the ordering right always is likely to continue to be hard so it might be best to sidestep it
[18:36] <evand> indeed.  I imagine the supression should occur in casper, correct?
[18:36] <cjwatson> aye
[18:37] <cjwatson> anyway, this is just my off-the-cuff suggestion; I'm not thinking terribly straight right now so feel free to come up with something else
[18:37] <cjwatson> 25configure_init already has the code to suppress *dm in other circumstances
[18:38] <evand> indeed, I played with that for noninteractive
[18:38] <evand> seems reasonable
[18:38] <evand> ok
[18:38] <evand> thanks
[18:39] <evand> of course if something goes wrong in /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm we're screwed.  hrm.
[18:40] <evand> actually nevermind that last thought
[20:00] <xivulon> evand shall I address 187701 for kde release or there is no point?
[20:02] <evand> wubi will not be on the Kubuntu alpha 4 CD, so there's no rush.
[20:03] <xivulon> ok then
[20:05] <xivulon> all the ISOs are called "hardy-desktop-XXX.iso" whatever the flavor, correct?
[20:07] <evand> for the desktop CD, yes
[20:44] <xivulon> does gobuntu come with the live cd?
[20:45] <evand> not yet
[20:55] <xivulon> I have fixed 187701 anyway
[20:55] <evand> bug 187701
[20:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187701 in wubi "Fix urls and file names for derivative distros" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187701
[20:55] <evand> ah
[20:56] <evand> great
[20:57] <xivulon> in case someone wants to use wubi in standalone mode we can point to that
[21:03] <xivulon> http://wubi-installer.org/devel/minefield/Wubi-8.04-alpha-rev395.exe
[21:03] <xivulon> build with correct urls
[21:04] <evand> ok
[21:10] <xivulon> ah I see I posted a bit to soon on the forum about the 8.04...
[21:11] <xivulon> couldn't resiste :D
[21:29] <evand> heh
[21:29] <evand> yeah, the alpha isn't out yet
[21:30] <evand> ugh, something in the delta between a wubi install and a regular Kubuntu install is causing a segfault.
[21:30] <evand> in a library
[21:38] <xivulon> is that for kubuntu only?
[21:39] <evand> as far as I can tell, yes
[21:41] <xivulon> but didn't you say that there is no wubi in kubuntu?
[21:41] <evand> there isn't yet, I'm trying to get things in shape for there to be one
[21:41] <xivulon> ah
[21:42] <evand> this is one of the things I mentioned earlier that deferred it for kubuntu
[21:42] <evand> only now I have part of a stack trace to work with
[21:42] <evand> that is, if VMWare decides to ever give my keyboard back to me :/
[21:42] <xivulon> if you need to change other files there, you may use wubi395 in case, at least the urls should be fine
[21:43] <xivulon> that is annoying
[21:43] <xivulon> no point in me working on the eject I assume
[21:43] <evand> why is that?
[21:46] <xivulon> to have it in
[21:46] <evand> well, it wont make it into Alpha 4, but it can be on the CDs as early as tomorrow
[21:46] <evand> the daily builds, that is
[21:47] <xivulon> I prefer to rest then :)
[21:47] <xivulon> can I help with the kubuntu issue?
[21:47] <evand> by all means
[21:48] <evand> ugh. this bug plaguing my laptop is worse than I thought
[21:48] <evand> it's the bug that bit me at the sprint.  Only a very small number of keypresses get registered post-gdm
[21:48]  * evand kicks GNOME
[21:49] <xivulon> can i replicate?
[21:49] <evand> the kubuntu issue?
[21:49] <evand> probably
[21:49] <evand> just pop in the latest daily-live copy of kubuntu in windows and fire up wubi
[21:49] <evand> you wont get ubiquity-automatic mode when it restarts
[21:50] <evand> so you have to open up a "konsole" and run ubiquity --automatic
[21:50] <evand> it'll get most of the way through and then bail out
[21:50] <evand> dumping an apport crash in /var/crach
[21:50] <evand> crash*
[21:51] <evand> which you can use apport-unpack on to extract the core file out
[21:56] <evand> oh and you'll have to hit next on the first page of the installer, but it'll continue from there
[22:02] <xivulon> downloading
[22:02] <xivulon> is automatic in the boot menu at all?
[22:03] <evand> nope
[22:08] <xivulon> can you send me the wubi log?
[22:08] <xivulon> can you also try with rev395?
[22:08] <xivulon> in fact not
[22:08] <evand> I can't do much of anything on that machine right now.
[22:08] <xivulon> are you trying with a CD or with an ISO?
[22:08] <evand> CD
[22:09] <evand> I'll grab the log and try with the newest version when I can, but I don't think the problem lies in wubi.
[22:09] <xivulon> then URLs and file names are irrelevant
[22:09] <evand> I didn't say they were relevant
[22:10] <evand> perhaps we're not on the same page
[22:11] <xivulon> download is very slow
[22:11] <xivulon> will try torrent
[22:21] <xivulon> no luck with that either
[22:25] <xivulon> evand you did not start wubi with cdboot flag by any chance?
[22:26] <xivulon> also what are the sizes of /ubuntu/disks/*.disk?
[22:42] <xivulon> mm do not have any spare CD and do not have XP in VM...
[22:43] <xivulon> good news is that the download flows well now


[00:45] <hakaishi> Hey folks! Anyone up to advocate/review qt-shutdown-p? It is a small program to shutdown the computer. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[02:51] <lucas> Is Chuck Short around?
[02:52] <ajmitch> doesn't appear to be, he's usually online as zul
[02:53] <mrburns> hi all i am interested in getting involved with ubuntu and i hear that motu is a good place to start does anyone have any suggestions how to start?
[02:53] <RAOF> mrburns: Find a bug that annoys you, and fix it.
[02:54] <RAOF> That's generally the best thing to do.
[02:54] <mrburns> ok sounds good
[02:57] <RAOF> The easiest bugs to fix are those that have been reported upstream, fixed there, but not yet fixed in the Ubuntu packages.  In that case, it's generally just a matter of adding a patch to the Ubuntu package, which is one of the simplest packaging changes you can make.
[03:04] <mrburns> RAOF: should i just search around launchpad bugs and find something there?
[03:17] <RAOF> mrburns: Yeah, that works.  dholbach's harvest (http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/) can help finding patches for stuff.
[03:19] <mrburns> RAOF: thanks
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] <slytherin> dholbach: good morning
[07:26] <ara> I have a packaging question, maybe someone can help me
[07:26] <ara> We used to have ldtp source, which provided ldtp (core, written in C) and python-ldtp (python bindings).
[07:26] <ara> Now, ldtp2 has just been released with the core completely rewritten in python and we need to package it for lucid. What would you recommend:
[07:26] <ara> a) Keep the core (now in python) in the ldtp binary, the python library in python-ldtp with version 2
[07:26] <ara> b) Put everything in ldtp binary (core and libraries)
[07:26] <ara> c) Create a new package called ldtp2 that replaces the two above
[07:27] <dholbach> hey slytherin
[07:27] <ara> non of the above?
[07:27] <dholbach> ara: is there a use-case for having any of them separated somehow?
[07:27] <ara> dholbach, no that I can think of
[07:28] <dholbach> one thing to bear in mind is coordinating the naming scheme with the debian people, so you don't end up maintaining a different package name for a longer while
[07:28] <ara> one important thing is that ldtp < 2 and python-ldtp <2 cannot cannot be installed at the same time as ldtp >= 2
[07:29] <ara> dholbach, I am already in contact with the debian packager
[07:29] <dholbach> or having conflicts/replaces that you need to maintain on your own for a long time in ubuntu (because of lts upgrades)
[07:29] <dholbach> nice
[07:29] <ara> dholbach, in fact, I am coomaintainer of the debian package
[07:29] <slytherin> ara: if parallel installability is not an option then simplest thing would be to completely replace existing packages with new version.
[07:29] <dholbach> ara: so Kartik ist leaving the decision to you? :)
[07:30] <ara> dholbach, yes, he has no time now to maintain it
[07:30] <dholbach> I see
[07:31] <slytherin> I believe Kartik has too may packages with his name on him. :-)
[07:31] <slytherin> s/him/them
[07:32] <ara> so, slytherin, you're suggesting to keep the division between core and libraries?
[07:33] <slytherin> ara: the split looks sane enough to me. But I don't use the package so probably I am not the best person to ask advice about it.
[07:36] <ara> dholbach, what do you think¿
[07:37]  * dholbach downloads source
[07:39] <LLStarks|Lazy> hi guys
[07:39] <LLStarks|Lazy> gst plugins bad needs the new dirac dependency
[07:40] <slytherin> LLStarks|Lazy: it was already uploaded but seems to have failed to build.
[07:41] <slytherin> LLStarks|Lazy: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gst-plugins-bad0.10/+builds
[07:41] <LLStarks|Lazy> ah gotcha
[07:41] <LLStarks|Lazy> thanks
[07:42] <slytherin> I am not able to access the build log at this time so I can not check if it was real failure or transitional failure.
[07:43] <slytherin> LLStarks|Lazy: if you can download the log, unzip it and post the relevant bits on pastebin may be I can decide if we should retry the build.
[07:44] <LLStarks|Lazy> will do
[07:44] <LLStarks|Lazy> hope its gzipd
[07:44] <slytherin> yes it is
[07:44] <slytherin> that is the reason I can not access it. the content filtering system in my office filters anything that ends with .gz
[07:45] <LLStarks|Lazy> asinine
[07:47] <dholbach> ara: I'm a bit unsure... at the moment I can't think of use-cases for splitting it, but I just had a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-package_names - not sure if that would result in some kind of "oversplitting" as seb128 would call it :)
[07:47] <LLStarks|Lazy> looks like an sdl library problem
[07:49] <ara> dholbach, well, even if the use case is not clear, shouldn't be simpler to keep it split for the sake of maintainability?
[07:49] <ara> dholbach, (to avoid having to keep a lot of replaces)
[07:50] <dholbach> ara: the API of python-ldtp broke, right?
[07:50] <slytherin> LLStarks|Lazy: can you paste the log on pastebin?
[07:50] <ara> dholbach, yes
[07:51] <ara> dholbach, they are 90% compatible, but not 100%
[07:51] <LLStarks|Lazy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/359443/
[07:51] <dholbach> hmhm - I wonder if you'd need to rename stuff anyway in that case
[07:52] <dholbach> there's only mago depending on it afaics
[07:55] <SevenMachines> slytherin, LLStarks|Lazy: you might want to look at Bug #509442 , gst-plugins-bad0.10 is fixed upstream in debian but i'm guessing its actually an issue with sdl dev
[07:58] <slytherin> Looks like we need merge from debian package
[07:59] <dholbach> ara: you could ask seb128 when he shows up, he should know a bit better than I do
[07:59] <ara> dholbach, OK, I will, thanks :)
[08:02] <SevenMachines> slytherin: that would be best, it does need both the changes from 0.10.17-2 and 0.10.17-3 though, those are the ones i used and they work. i dont know where 0.10.17-3 is in terms of unstable/testing though
[08:02] <slytherin> SevenMachines: -3 is not yet in testing.
[08:23] <slytherin> Does anyone know at what version of glib, gio APIs were introduced?
[08:45] <tranx> Hi,
[08:45] <tranx>  I am having some difficulties for creating a package for "cython" application.
[08:45] <tranx> I was wondering whether it would be the good room to get some support on this issue ?
[08:46] <tranx> s/for "cython" application/for a cython application/g
[08:51] <randomaction> !ask
[08:53] <tranx>  I need to build a package that uses cython, but default pbuilder cannot resolve  "cython" when put into "build-depends" ..
[08:54] <randomaction> you need to enable universe - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Universe%20support
[08:55] <tranx> is this enabled on build farms ?
[08:56] <johe|work> hi all
[08:56] <johe|work> i have a problem with an package maintained by motu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pysnmp4/+bug/509495
[08:57] <johe|work> i would really need help on that
[08:57] <tranx> i.e. launchpad
[08:58] <tranx> I meant, I manage to get a working pbuilder with cython on my personal desktop, but I wonder how to get it working on launchpad, or other build servers.
[09:02] <johe|work> so than, this goes out to any python developer, if i dont get pysnmp working on karmic i need to programm my stuff in perl, and i really dont like :-(
[09:03] <randomaction> tranx: on buildds, build-dependencies from universe are disabled for packages in main. In other cases, they're allowed
[09:06] <tranx> randomaction: thanks for these elements.
[09:36] <slytherin> tranx: Paste the debian/control file somewhere so that we can check if there is any problem with build dependencies
[13:00] <ockham> sry for nagging, but as i can't see any communication going on here (only logon/offs): is there anybody at all?
[13:02] <geser> yes, but most people are probably busy with other things (like e.g. work)
[13:04] <ockham> too bad... gotta leave...
[15:30] <menesis> can I upload a fixed package to REVU with the same version number?
[15:31] <randomaction> menesis: yes, version should stay the same
[15:33] <menesis> do I have to include orig.tar.gz again?
[15:37] <menesis> looks like yes
[19:25] <hyperair> will there be a MC meeting on the 12th of february?
[19:29] <geser> hyperair: no, see the announcement
[19:29] <hyperair> geser: i saw. so how should i go about applying for motuship?
[19:30] <hyperair> the thursday meeting is at 3AM my time
[19:35] <geser> wait on the next DMB meeting, I hope we get a little bit further about the MOTU future on that meeting
[19:36] <geser> I hope the DMB comes about a decision what to do about MOTU applications while the future of MOTU is shaped
[19:46] <POX> porthose: :P (re: your mail to debian-python)
[19:48] <porthose> POX, :)
[22:25]  * StevenK tickles wgrant
[22:26]  * wgrant swats StevenK
[22:26]  * StevenK dodges wgrant's ineffective swat
[22:26] <wgrant> You can't dodge me, I'm next to yuuyou.
[22:26] <ajmitch> find a room, people
[22:27] <highvoltage> rofl
[22:27] <ajmitch> which talk are you at?
[22:28] <StevenK> MS versus FOSS
[22:28]  * ajmitch is staring at slides of PHP code, brains are leaking out
[22:28] <wgrant> We have found a room! Illot!
[22:29] <StevenK> Not so private, sadly
[22:29] <wgrant> Terrible.
[22:29] <pucko-> Hello.. I have a package I would like to see in ubuntu. I have made a deb archive of it (which needs some minor tweaking yet). can it be included even though there is no upstream url available? (I got the source by mailing the company)
[22:29] <RAOF> Are you able to distribute the source?
[22:29] <pucko-> it is a driver for a smart card reader btw
[22:30] <pucko-> yes. it is lgpl2.1
[22:30]  * ajmitch will have to watch that talk on video afterwards
[22:33] <pucko-> I'm not sure if it should be packaged separetely or of it should be included in libccid (which is a package for many other smart cart readers)
[22:34] <StevenK> wgrant: Saw a website recently that said "Microsoft has spent billions on Windows, how can Linux possibly run on a computer without Windows code, since Linux is free."
[22:35]  * StevenK should find the source
[22:35] <ajmitch> the leaps in logic there are interesting
[22:36] <StevenK> ajmitch: Absolutely.
[22:37] <RAOF> pucko-: Maybe it should end up in libccid, but that would require the code to be submitted to the libccid project.  As it's a separate source tree, it should (almost certainly) be a separate package.
[22:38]  * RAOF goes to wrestle with bugs.gnome.org to submit some gjs patches.
[23:11] <pucko-> RAOF, so how should I proceed? I believe I need some help
[23:14] <RAOF> pucko-: It'd be good if the source was easily available somewhere on the web, but I don't *think* that's a dealbreaker.
[23:14] <RAOF> pucko-: What you could do next is refine your package and upload the source package to REVU.
[23:14] <RAOF> !revu
[23:16] <pucko-> ok. the main thing is the lintian error messages. but I guess I can come back here later and ask for help about those..
[23:17] <RAOF> Absolutely.
[23:17] <RAOF> Note that running lintian with with -i will give lots of nice info about the errors, and generally how you might fix them.
[23:23]  * RAOF decides gjs probably doesn't want these patches.
[23:23] <pucko-> ok, thanks


[11:24] <jpatrick> ..
[12:13] <ompaul> jpatrick, you got a failing machine there
[12:13] <jpatrick> ompaul: yep...
[12:14] <jpatrick> best we could find


[20:29] <mlankhorst> for reference, that version was wrong, pci_str + 4 caused first 4 characters to be random garbage :P


[10:06] <vibhav> The Americas board meeting is tomorrow , right?
[10:06] <vibhav> just wait
[10:06] <vibhav> nevermind
[17:01] <Gwaihir> #startmeeting Community Council meeting, agenda available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
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[17:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:01]  * pleia2 waves
[17:01] <cprofitt> hello
[17:01] <Gwaihir> #topic Community Council meeting, Agenda available here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:01] <Gwaihir> hello everyone!
[17:01] <pleia2> welcome to your first meeting as a CC member, cprofitt!
[17:01] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2
[17:01] <Gwaihir> thanks all for being here
[17:02] <Gwaihir> so, today we have on the agenda the Americas Regional Board meet-up
[17:02] <Gwaihir> who do we have here from the RMB?
[17:02] <pleia2> o/
[17:03] <Gwaihir> ok, nobody else?
[17:03] <czajkowski> Pendulum: ??
[17:03] <pleia2> cyphermox?
[17:04] <dholbach> hiya
[17:04] <pleia2> greg-g also said he'd make it, but may be a few minutes late
[17:04] <Gwaihir> well, pleia2, floor is yours, do you have something in particular you would like to say?
[17:04] <YokoZar> Well, greetings pleia2 ;)
[17:04] <Gwaihir> #subtopic America Regional Membership Board meet-up
[17:05] <pleia2> in general I think things are going well, terms of severl of our board members expire in May so I think we're seeing some of the fatigue related to that
[17:05] <greg-g> hi there
[17:05] <YokoZar> Has the rate of apps changed during your tour?
[17:05] <pleia2> we now have a channel where members from all boards hang out, which has been super helpful in improving cohesion between the boards and recruiting volunteers from other boards as needed
[17:06] <YokoZar> It'd be interesting if we were getting more or fewer membership applications, for instance
[17:06] <Pendulum> Sorry, I'm here.
[17:06] <cprofitt> +1 YokoZar
[17:06] <greg-g> the rate of new member apps seems about consistent, during my term
[17:07] <pleia2> I've been on the board since they were created 4 years ago, if anything it's gone down some, but I think part of that is we've moved off some approvals to IRC and Forums in that time
[17:07] <pleia2> and developer membership board
[17:07] <cyphermox> I'm there, sorry, had wifi issues
[17:07] <Pendulum> I've only been on for just under a year, but I'd say they've generally been consistant in that time.
[17:08] <cprofitt> Have you have had any issues with verifying potential members work in certain areas of the community such as askubuntu
[17:08] <pleia2> cprofitt: we rely heavily upon testimonials for sections of the community or work that we may have trouble personally verifying
[17:09] <Gwaihir> is the IRC process for membership approval an issue, or is it easy to reach quorum?
[17:09] <pleia2> so we do sometimes have to ask people to come back with testimonials
[17:09] <pleia2> Gwaihir: it works fine for us
[17:09] <czajkowski> pleia2: does your board ever not meet quorum or do ye have enough members?
[17:09] <pleia2> last meeting we borrowed someone from the Asia/Oceania board
[17:09] <pleia2> but that's pretty rare
[17:09] <cyphermox> Gwaihir: quorum does not appear to be an issue, especially now that we notify across boards via the mailing list
[17:09] <cprofitt> What is the biggest challenge facing the RMB in the next cycle?
[17:10] <pleia2> again, with a bunch of terms expiring in May I think a couple people have kind of checked out early
[17:10] <pleia2> cprofitt: I don't really see any
[17:11] <cyphermox> making sure it remains clear what the expectations are for membership? but that's hardly a problem right now
[17:11] <Pendulum> For the board itself, the only thing I can think of is transition with the new members, but I don't see that being a problem either.
[17:11] <Gwaihir> cool to hear
[17:11] <dholbach> was missing testimonials the only problem which led to asking people to reapply?
[17:11] <pleia2> with my CC hat on, the Americas board is never wanting for applicants to be on the board, unlike the other two boards, so I think Americas is fortunate there
[17:11] <cprofitt> goog to hear pleia2
[17:12] <pleia2> (I think we had something like 10 applicants for the free spots last time!)
[17:12] <dholbach> nice
[17:13] <czajkowski> pleia2: nice to hear
[17:13] <greg-g> (sorry, had to  hold a fussy baby for s econd) re: verifying: I think the separate boards for IRC/Forum helps with that but for AskUbuntu, given the highly badge-centric model, it works OK, as long as there is evidence of good interaction with the wider community as well
[17:13] <Pendulum> I'd say missing testimonials is the most common reason for asking people to reapply, but we have also asked people to do more work or spend more time in the community, among other things.
[17:14] <greg-g> +1 to what Pendulum said
[17:14] <Pendulum> And then there are people that we suggest should apply through a different board
[17:14] <pleia2> g/ 51
[17:14] <pleia2> oops
[17:14] <cyphermox> Pendulum: +1
[17:14] <dholbach> what about people who just focus on one task and are less interest in joining LoCo teams for example? is that a concern?
[17:14] <YokoZar> I'd like to minimize instances of "wrong board" sorry...just makes us seem a bit bureaucratic
[17:14] <czajkowski> Pendulum: on those cases when they came back have they done the extra stuff that was needed or shown great collaboration with teams and gotten testimonals ?
[17:15] <cprofitt> How flexible has the RMB been in evaluating contributions in new areas of the community? Is there anything you can think of that can be done better in regards to incorporating new areas of community contribution?
[17:15] <pleia2> dholbach: not really, we tend to recommend joining locos when they are having trouble finding a community ("I can't get testimonials because I work by myself on $thing" for instance)
[17:15]  * dholbach nods
[17:15] <Gwaihir> YokoZar, might be an idea to have just one "board" visible to the users, but internally structured in a different way, by timezones
[17:15] <czajkowski> nods
[17:15] <pleia2> well, we always *recommend* joining locos because they are fun :) but we only recommend it as a way to help membership in the above case
[17:15] <greg-g> cprofitt: we've been pretty flixible, I'd say, but I'm biased, of course :)
[17:16] <czajkowski> YokoZar: in what case would you have a wrong board?
[17:16] <dholbach> I personally agree - LoCos *are* great :)
[17:16]  * cprofitt nods to greg-g
[17:16] <cyphermox> cprofitt: we've granted membership on one or two cases based largely on AskUbuntu contributions, IIRC
[17:16] <Pendulum> pleia2: +1
[17:16] <YokoZar> czajkowski: Pendulum: And then there are people that we suggest should apply through a different board
[17:17] <pleia2> I think more generally the only major hurdle in the past year regarding "new areas" is our uncertainty over whether Unity is Ubuntu, or upstream
[17:17] <pleia2> but I think that was resolved in a satisfactory manner (and Unity does count)
[17:17] <greg-g> YokoZar: well, we don't want to make a determination on a person who does development only, that is better taken up by the dev board
[17:17] <pleia2> Upstart, Launchpad and others also fell in to the "upstream or not?" category
[17:18] <pleia2> but it's not hugely about "upstream or not" it's about "ubuntu community interaction or not"
[17:18] <cprofitt> cyphermox: good to hear
[17:18] <Pendulum> czajkowski: Generally they either come back the next month with testimonials and/or cheerleaders or take a few more months to do more work. We do get the occasional person who doesn't understand and reapplies without doing anything more, but it's not common.
[17:19] <czajkowski> nods
[17:19] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:19] <cprofitt> pleia2: I think upstream or not may be an issue for new people coming in to the community too... it is not often easy for new folks to know that difference
[17:19] <YokoZar> Especially in the developer case, the question of what's Ubuntu vs what's upstream sounds like it could get quite dicey
[17:20]  * greg-g nods
[17:21] <Gwaihir> well, everything seems to work pretty nicely here :)
[17:21] <Gwaihir> does anybody have other questions?
[17:21] <dholbach> I'm all set - I'm quite happy with what I've heard
[17:21] <czajkowski> nope am good thanks
[17:21] <cprofitt> I am good as well
[17:22] <Gwaihir> sweet!
[17:22] <cprofitt> It sounds as though things are running smoothly
[17:22] <greg-g> thanks all!
[17:22] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:22] <cprofitt> thanks to everyone taking on the RMB role!!
[17:22] <Gwaihir> pleia2, greg-g Pendulum, thanks for being here today!
[17:22] <Pendulum> thanks
[17:22] <YokoZar> Indeed, membership is a fantastic part of Ubuntu
[17:22] <Gwaihir> lovely chat :)
[17:23] <Gwaihir> moving one, our agenda is quite empty, do we have any outstanding issue to discuss?
[17:23] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: we need to reply to the LC
[17:23] <dholbach> yes, we need to review the CoC changes
[17:23] <czajkowski> dholbach: did you reply to the membership mail?
[17:23] <cprofitt> +1 czajkowski
[17:23] <Gwaihir> ok, start with the reply to the LC
[17:23] <dholbach> czajkowski, erm which?
[17:23] <Gwaihir> #subtopic Reply to the Loco Council
[17:24] <Gwaihir> mail is about the rewrite of the LoCo approval page
[17:24] <Gwaihir> now, only cprofitt replied internally to the CC
[17:24] <Gwaihir> we need to review the edited page, and provide an answer
[17:25] <czajkowski> I'm also good with it helped to write it and am happy with the edits in it
[17:25] <dholbach> (ahhh ok, now - no, czajkowski, I didn't)
[17:25] <pleia2> the only real change from the CC perspective is the recommendation being changed from 4 months to 8 months
[17:26]  * cprofitt nods
[17:26] <pleia2> I think this is fine, when this was written 4 months was a much greater percentage of the life of Ubuntu
[17:26] <czajkowski> nods and locoteams were rather new then
[17:26]  * pleia2 nods
[17:26] <czajkowski> and we have more activities
[17:26]  * Gwaihir nods
[17:26] <cprofitt> everything else is a clean up -- and two pages will be replaced with one to avoid confusion
[17:26] <Gwaihir> #action CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC
[17:26] <meetingology> ACTION: CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC
[17:27] <Gwaihir> can we do it by tomorrow?
[17:27] <pleia2> I'll give my +1 now
[17:27] <czajkowski> I'm +1 also
[17:27] <cprofitt> I am also a +1
[17:28] <YokoZar> We have 3 members mia
[17:28] <YokoZar> we might want to wait a day
[17:28] <Gwaihir> I will read it tonight and reply to the mailing list
[17:28]  * cprofitt nods
[17:28] <cprofitt> that is fair
[17:28] <dholbach> if possible I'd like to read it first - I'm not quite sure what exactly changed and for which reason
[17:28] <Gwaihir> but from a fast view at the page, looks good
[17:29] <dholbach> I'll also do it tonight
[17:29] <dholbach> and reply to the mail czajkowski mentioned
[17:29] <pleia2> thanks guys
[17:29] <Gwaihir> cool
[17:29] <dholbach> sweet
[17:29] <Gwaihir> can we move to the next topic?
[17:29] <cprofitt> yes
[17:29] <czajkowski> sure
[17:30] <Gwaihir> #subtopic Review merge proposal to the CoC
[17:30] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139
[17:30] <Gwaihir> has anybody had the chance to look at it?
[17:30] <Gwaihir> unfortunately, I hadn't yet
[17:30] <cprofitt> I did... it looked good to me.
[17:30] <dholbach> Amber's revision had a change missing which Matt Z put in some time ago, so I added that in my own branch
[17:30] <czajkowski> looks fine, although it's a bit long.
[17:31] <czajkowski> ahh shall review that
[17:31] <czajkowski> didnt see it missing thanks dholbach
[17:31] <Gwaihir> czajkowski, yeah, it is a bit long now
[17:31] <dholbach> in the merge proposal I added links to wdiffs, so you can see which words changed as opposed to seeing line changes (if that's helpful)
[17:31] <Gwaihir> wondering if people will really read it all...
[17:31] <czajkowski> I do think that's a bit of an issue as for starters the CoC isn't translated and I for one would love to see this happen somewhere
[17:31] <czajkowski> even on a wiki page so people could reference it
[17:32] <Gwaihir> dholbach, has a branch for that I think
[17:32]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach
[17:32] <dholbach> but on the other hand many won't have to read the LCoC in their first days yet, but now that it exists
[17:32] <Gwaihir> at one UDS we were talking with david about that
[17:32] <dholbach> Gwaihir, yes, but dpm and I never finished it I think
[17:32] <dholbach> I can't remember what exactly the issue was with it though
[17:32] <YokoZar> Honestly I feel like I might still be able to cull it for wordiness
[17:32] <Gwaihir> dholbach, do not remember either
[17:32] <dholbach> maybe we should first concern ourselves with getting 2.0 out, then do the i18n bits :)
[17:33] <Gwaihir> might take a look for this UDS
[17:33] <YokoZar> when I write essays I come back to them 4 or 5 times over the course of many weeks and still find things to shorten them
[17:33] <Gwaihir> yeah, better
[17:33] <dholbach> YokoZar, if you could add a few ideas to the merge proposal that'd be nice
[17:33] <czajkowski> dholbach: aye my only conern with 2.0 is it's a tad long
[17:33] <YokoZar> Yeah, agreed
[17:33] <YokoZar> Will do dholbach
[17:33] <cprofitt> so I am clear this is in relation to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392976
[17:34] <dholbach> so it'd be good if we could all have a look over it again
[17:35] <dholbach> (myself included :-))
[17:35]  * cprofitt nods
[17:35]  * Gwaihir nods
[17:35]  * pleia2 nods
[17:35] <dholbach> that I think is all I had to discuss
[17:35] <Gwaihir> #action CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139
[17:35] <meetingology> ACTION: CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139
[17:36] <Gwaihir> hmmm... was there something else we need to discuss?
[17:36] <pleia2> from me, just a quick additional thanks to akgraner for serving on the council, wrapping up her outstanding tasks and setting a good example by stepping down when she realized she didn't have the time for it
[17:36] <cprofitt> +1
[17:36] <czajkowski> reply to RMB candiate
[17:37] <cprofitt> great example of following the LCoC!
[17:37] <Gwaihir> +1 for akgraner
[17:37] <dholbach> yes, thanks alot for your work on akgraner!
[17:37] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:37] <Gwaihir> czajkowski, yep
[17:37] <pleia2> czajkowski: good catch, we discussed that all privately
[17:37] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: think that's it all tbh
[17:37] <Gwaihir> #subtopic Reply to RMB candidate
[17:38] <pleia2> I think the mailing list thread summed up our expectations well, we just need to draft a reply
[17:39] <cprofitt> +1 pleia2
[17:39]  * Gwaihir nods
[17:39] <Gwaihir> who would like to write the reply?
[17:39] <Gwaihir> at least draft it
[17:40] <pleia2> I'd rather it come from a CC member who is not also a membership board member (not me :))
[17:40] <Gwaihir> ;)
[17:40] <cprofitt> I can take that on
[17:40] <Gwaihir> awesome cprofitt
[17:40] <Gwaihir> thanks
[17:40] <czajkowski> pleia2: :)
[17:41] <Gwaihir> #action cprofitt to reply to the RMB email
[17:41] <meetingology> ACTION: cprofitt to reply to the RMB email
[17:42] <Gwaihir> if this is the last topic, and nobody would like to discuss about something else
[17:42] <czajkowski> all good thanks
[17:42] <cprofitt> I am set; thanks.
[17:42] <czajkowski> excellent chairing Gwaihir :)
[17:42] <Gwaihir> we just need to take care of the bureaucratic stuff
[17:42] <Gwaihir> thanks czajkowski
[17:43] <Gwaihir> who is going to chair next meeting?
[17:43] <czajkowski> ar we gonna try this rotation again this time properly :)
[17:43] <Gwaihir> why not :)
[17:43] <czajkowski> cool
[17:43] <czajkowski> so who's next after you
[17:43] <Gwaihir> maybe better set up a wiki page with the rotation thing
[17:44] <Gwaihir> by nick name, should be pleia2
[17:44] <czajkowski> sounds good, but with the exception of sabdfl as at uds he said he wouldn't be able to do it due to work
[17:44] <czajkowski> which is fine
[17:44] <Gwaihir> yeah, np
[17:44] <pleia2> Gwaihir: I can't chair
[17:44] <pleia2> (this meeting is during work for me, I can get pulled away at any time)
[17:45] <Gwaihir> pleia2, no worries
[17:45] <Gwaihir> we get back to this one later...
[17:45] <Gwaihir> who can update the wiki pages then?
[17:46] <pleia2> I can do it
[17:46] <Gwaihir> thanks pleia
[17:47] <Gwaihir> #action pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links
[17:47] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links
[17:47] <Gwaihir> for the chair, I might to it again as well
[17:47] <Gwaihir> s/to it/do it
[17:48] <Gwaihir> if somebody else would like to do it at the last minute, I wouldn't block him/her :)
[17:48] <Gwaihir> so, be it
[17:48] <Gwaihir> #action Gwaihir to chair next time
[17:48] <meetingology> ACTION: Gwaihir to chair next time
[17:48] <Gwaihir> ok, that should be all folks
[17:48] <dholbach> awesome
[17:49] <cprofitt> thanks everyone!
[17:49] <Gwaihir> next meeting will be on 29th March, same time, same place as the last one :)
[17:49] <pleia2> thanks all
[17:49] <Gwaihir> thanks all!
[17:49] <Gwaihir> #endmeeting
[17:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 15 17:49:33 2012 UTC.
[17:49] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-15-17.01.moin.txt
[17:49] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-15-17.01.html
[17:49] <dholbach> thanks everyone
[17:49] <pleia2> Gwaihir: we only have IRC meetings 1st and 3rd Thursdays
[17:49] <pleia2> no meeting on the 29th
[17:49] <Gwaihir> oh... right
[17:49] <Gwaihir> I have to updated my calendar then
[17:50] <pleia2> we get a day off on 5 Thursday months :D
[17:50] <Gwaihir> sweet :)
[17:50] <Gwaihir> see you all in April then :)
[17:54] <czajkowski> :D
[23:42]  * vibhav waits
[23:42]  * skellat waits
[23:44] <jrgifford> skellat: howdy
[23:44] <jrgifford> what, four minutes until it starts?
[23:44] <skellat> jrgifford: Howdy
[23:44] <skellat> jrgifford: NTP claims 11 minutes on my end
[23:49]  * vibhav pokes meetingology
[23:53] <vibhav> 6 minutes left
[23:55]  * utlemming waits
[23:59] <vibhav> It is 5:29 here
[23:59] <stringedluthier> here
[23:59] <wendar> o/
[23:59] <vibhav> o/


[14:48] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:48] <rick_h__> morning
[15:59]  * greg-g yawns
[15:59] <greg-g> know of a good decaf coffee? this one I'm drinking sucks
[15:59] <rick_h__> no, always seemed against the point. figured if I just needed a hot drink without the juice I'd just do tea
[16:00] <rick_h__> guess that's kind of nuts though, "I enjoy pie...but if I can't have it without X I'll just go have nothing"
[16:01] <greg-g> bath water?
[16:01] <rick_h__> who *really* wants a baby right? :)
[16:01]  * greg-g actually does like tea, just not first thing in the morning
[16:02] <greg-g> rick_h__: meant "tea = bath water" :)
[16:21] <cmaloney> greg-g: The Keurig Dark Magic Decaf isn't horrible
[16:21] <cmaloney> greg-g: Which one are you drinking now?
[16:27] <greg-g> some local-ish bulk option at my grocery store
[16:27] <greg-g> whole bean
[16:27] <cmaloney> Gah
[16:27] <cmaloney> pro-tip: Bulk beans are terrible
[16:27] <cmaloney> get bagged
[16:28] <cmaloney> problem is the bulk beans are stale
[16:28] <cmaloney> so you're not getting any flavor
[16:28] <cmaloney> Compost those suckers and find some decaf whole beans
[16:29] <cmaloney> (easier said than done, I know)
[16:29] <cmaloney> but honestly unless the only option is Eight O'Clock you'll be ahead.
[16:43] <greg-g> :)
[18:11] <jcastro> I hope everyone voted today!
[18:12] <jcastro> I voted for Picard
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> haha a good decaf coffee. good joke
[18:14] <jrwren> i did not vote
[18:14] <jrwren> but i will
[18:14] <mrgoodcat> hope you vote for caffeine in coffee
[18:15] <cmaloney> I think brousch might have some lines on good decaf coffee
[18:15] <jrwren> mmm... can't decide if I should have a cup of coffee right now, before I go vote, or after.
[18:16] <jrwren> I feel like I've gone full bat-shit-crazy-liberal. I'll be riding my bike to go vote for a democrat.
[18:16] <jrwren> I've never voted for a democratic presidential candidate, not even in a primary.
[18:17] <jcastro> you live in ann arbor
[18:17] <jcastro> the hippie ends up seeping inside of you
[18:20] <jrwren> this is true
[18:21] <jcastro> it wasn't crowded today, I went at like 7am
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> i wouldn't expect primaries to be crowded. i've never voted in a primary though
[18:47]  * mrgoodcat is a child
[19:33] <brousch> cmaloney greg-g Starbucks Pike Place Decaf is pretty good
[19:34] <brousch> Biggby French Roast Decaf is slightly better, but I don't think it exists out west
[20:58] <cmaloney> rick_h__: What showed up?
[21:02] <greg-g> brousch: we prefer Peets over Starbucks out here :)
[21:04] <brousch> I live in a coffee desert
[21:06] <rick_h__> cmaloney: custom made shirts from italy
[21:06] <rick_h__> cmaloney: ordered a pair of them when I was in rome from a tailor, got measured/etc
[21:07] <rick_h__> https://goo.gl/photos/4qsBMqiosyJ7GNGbA
[21:11] <jrwren> rick_h__: O_O  awesome!!!
[21:13] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, will be interesting to try them out and see how they hold up and such
[21:13] <rick_h__> jrwren: fit is awesome though, custom fitted shirt ftw
[21:13] <rick_h__> next up, sport coat to go with them
[21:14] <rick_h__> jrwren: oh, I ended up getting a travel suit kind of on accident :)
[21:14] <rick_h__> jrwren: reminded me of meeting you at the airport in a suit for a sprint
[21:16] <jrwren> rick_h__: you gonna wait until italy again to get an italian made one, or are you going to go to 1701 Bespoke?
[21:16] <jrwren> 1701 bespoke is on my list of places from where to buy a suit, i just haven't yet.
[21:16] <rick_h__> jrwren: well I went to get a travel jacket and found out it's more of just a suit coat
[21:17] <rick_h__> http://www.rohan.co.uk/mens-travel-and-outdoor-jackets-Envoy-Jacket?ocode=03561051
[21:17] <rick_h__> so I got the pants to go with it and just make a suit out of it instead
[21:17] <jrwren> nice!
[21:17] <rick_h__> jrwren: I got the jacket sleeves tailored here: http://www.jasonbarbaro.com/
[21:18] <rick_h__> jrwren: seems like a nice guy, so thinking of going there for the sport coat
[21:18] <jrwren> ha! really cool.
[21:19] <rick_h__> yea, who'd a thunk a tailor at great lakes crossing
[21:24] <rick_h__> jrwren: 1701 looks cool, subscribing to the blog
[21:26] <jrwren> rick_h__: ;]  I've seen their stuff on people I know. They do very fine work.
[21:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: heh, I'm still not comfy with sites w/o prices anywhere though :/
[21:30] <cmaloney> rick_h__: Ah, right
[21:30] <cmaloney> Didn't realize they showed up yet.
[21:35] <jrwren> rick_h__: i'm told reasonably priced. Not as cheap as off the rack, but cheaper than some of the high end name brand off rack stuff at dept stores. Of course, that aint' cheap :]
[21:38] <cmaloney> Is this bespoke enough: http://www.redbubble.com/people/synaptyx/works/9026364-end-of-line ?
[21:39] <cmaloney> http://www.redbubble.com/people/adrienne75/works/10914670-flynns-recognizer-tron?p=t-shirt&style=mens&body_color=baby_blue&print_location=front
[21:40]  * cmaloney isn't even sure where his white shirts are anymore.
[21:45] <jrwren> hey, i'm wearing my juju hoodie. very limited edition bespoke ;]
[21:55] <cmaloney> heh
[22:06] <cmaloney> http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/you-dont-own-your-ebooks-1763333576
[22:34] <brousch> I've moved back to buying dead trees for books I want to keep
[22:40] <rick_h__> jrwren: those were good hoodies!
[22:40] <rick_h__> :)
[23:22] <greg-g> I'm sad my "W for knowledge" hoodie, which is great quality, is now tainted by it being heavly associated with the exiting ED's problematic plans :/
[23:22] <greg-g> ("W" being in the font we use for Wikipedia's logo)
[23:27] <ColonelPanic001> I did it
[23:27] <ColonelPanic001> I'm at MUG
[23:27] <ColonelPanic001> It onlhy took me something like seven years to return
[23:27] <ColonelPanic001> damn northerners
[23:49] <hpucks> Apparently there is a MUG meeting tonight eh? Definitely wont be making this one.  Maybe next month.
[23:50] <ColonelPanic001> there is


[14:37] <ChinnoDog> So we have this Ubuntu Hour scheduled for tomorrow and no one has even registered
[20:38] <adom> ChinnoDog: tomorrow? you mean Thursday right?
[20:39] <adom> I tried to Register, but the site is being all wonky with my UbuntuOne login for some reason. I filed a bug report one the LoCo Team Portal Launchpad page.
[20:39] <adom> here's the error if anyone's wondering: An attribute required for logging in was not returned (nickname).
[20:39] <adom> i never set a nickname for my UbuntuOne login, and I can't find anywhere to do so.
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> Yes, sorry. Thursday. My days are mixed up.
[20:39] <adom> :/
[20:40] <adom> I will try to attend.
[20:40] <adom> Also my coworker Tim might come again.
[21:13] <marcoceppi> I'll be traveling :\
[21:21] <ChinnoDog> You are the only one with cool Ubuntu toys
[21:22] <marcoceppi> I know, I can pass off the tablet to someone if they want to bring it with them
[21:22] <marcoceppi> I've also got CDs, I think, that I can hand off to either of you
[21:35] <ChinnoDog> We could just move / cancel. No one else signed up so it doesn't matter.
[22:08] <adom> what about Saturday?
[22:08] <adom> also, just fyi, marcoceppi you said the 26th would work. something new come up?
[22:09] <marcoceppi> adom: yes, some unexpected travel
[23:55] <ChinnoDog> I am available Sat. marcoceppi?


[09:31] <Mirv> ok, I guess no daily calls yet
[09:32] <popey> Mirv: yeah
[09:34] <Mirv> and happy new year anyone who happens to be back :)
[14:07] <fginther> morning
[15:59] <dobey> cihelp: can i get some review on https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/cupstream2distro-config/add-u1client-data/+merge/200353 and perhaps a deployment of the config once it gets merged?
[16:00] <fginther> dobey, looking
[16:06] <fginther> cyphermox, kenvandine, robru, can any of you review ^
[16:06]  * kenvandine looks
[16:06] <kenvandine> approved
[16:07] <fginther> kenvandine, thx
[16:07] <kenvandine> np
[16:36] <dobey> fginther, kenvandine: thanks. any idea on when that can get deployed and show up in jenkins?
[16:37] <fginther> dobey, one moment, it should be merged and ready to deploy now
[16:37] <dobey> fginther: yep it is merged
[16:51] <fginther> dobey, it's deployed now
[17:42] <dobey> fginther: thanks


[00:24] <TJ-> We have a PTI regression killing resume-from-hibernate for 4.13-0-25 onwards. One user has confirmed "nopti" fixes the issue.  Bug #1743094
[13:01] <Tomwolf> I have a bug that has been fixed upstream. The problem is that the kernel panic happens on first boot after fresh install. It was fixed in kernel 4.13.0-31.34 and while I understand that 18.04 will use 4.15 I can't find a way to get an ubuntu installed with a working kernel. Any tips on how to go about things? I've just recently decided to actually learn how to work with linux servers so bare with me if I'm ignorant.
[13:04] <TJ-> Tomwolf: if you do the install but don't reboot at the end, you can start a terminal, chroot mount into the new rootfs, and "apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04"
[13:08] <Tomwolf> Thank you =) If I want to upgrade to 17.10 or even 18.04 on the development server, will that keep the hwe?
[13:09] <TJ-> Tomwolf: Yes... hwe depends on the 4.13 kernel; later, hwe-edge will depend on 18.04's released kernel
[13:11] <Tomwolf> Thank you =) now I don't have to 'settle' for running Centos 7 when I really want to use Ubuntu.
[13:13] <Tomwolf> I appreciate the help @TJ- =)


[04:32] <JontheEchidna> gah, trying to build oneiric packages in a natty pbuilder :/
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> herp derp
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> yay, chromium is fixed with the latest updates
[04:36] <micahg> JontheEchidna: what was broke?
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> micahg: technically gdk-pixbuf was broke, causing chrome to be unable to load pixmaps leaving certain UI elements red
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> (in oneiric)
[04:39] <micahg> JontheEchidna: ah, ok, yeah, I had no icons until the last update :)
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> I had no icons and redness at UDS
[04:40] <JontheEchidna> it's what I get for upgrading early, tho
[05:16] <eMyller> 'lo all
[07:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: how do indent two or four spaces without tab key though
[08:00] <jussi> morning all
[08:01] <Tm_T> K'day
[08:03] <jussi> where in systemsettings was it that I can change the "raster" setting (have a PC here with superslow kde)
[08:05] <Tm_T> jussi: system settings -> desktop effects -> third(?) tab
[08:07] <jussi> ahh
[08:07] <jussi> thanks
[08:28] <didrocks> good morning
[10:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: sapce bar
[10:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: madness
[10:32] <debfx> ScottK: can you accept the kde related packages from NEW?
[10:38] <ScottK> debfx: Maybe later today.  Not at the moment.
[10:55] <jussi> o/

[10:58]  * jussi zaps ScottK
[11:29] <yofel> apachelogger: use vim? :P
[12:09] <ryrych> hi
[12:10] <ryrych> apachelogger: I’ve sent you an email about this but the channel may be a quicker way to get the answer: how can I get an access to git repository?
[12:10] <ryrych> brb
[12:11] <apachelogger> ryrych: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/websites/phonon-kde-org
[12:12] <apachelogger> ryrych: oh, you mean commit access?
[12:14] <ryrych> apachelogger: yup, commit access
[12:14] <ryrych> or is it only for VIPs? :D
[12:15] <apachelogger> checking
[12:18] <apachelogger> ryrych: https://identity.kde.org/ register there, upload your ssh key, and then there should be a button to request kde dev access somewhere
[12:18] <apachelogger> if we are lucky the mighty kde sysadmins will grant you access
[12:35] <ryrych> apachelogger: ok, thanks
[14:01] <txwikinger> ScottK: I found a KDE regression in natty
[14:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah ...
[14:05] <shadeslayer> btw the weird bug in rekonq where the links don't open from google.com don't open have been fixed in git, could someone do a SRU?
[14:10] <Quintasan> txwikinger: link to bug
[14:10] <Quintasan> txwikinger: did you get anyone else to confirm it?
[14:11] <txwikinger> Yeah. is already in the KDE bug system
[14:12] <txwikinger> however, has gotten worse not better
[14:12] <txwikinger> kded4 spawns lots of defunc processes and ends up to totally freeze the computer
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ^^ i've seen that bug on lp a couple of times
[14:15] <Quintasan> txwikinger: is there a patch for this?
[14:16] <Quintasan> PolicyKit should also pick the current user automatically when asking for password
[14:16]  * Quintasan has to report that
[14:34] <txwikinger> Quintasan: I don't know
[14:34] <Quintasan> no good :S
[14:34] <txwikinger> I get lots of e-mails anout the bug, but I have never seen a solution
[14:35] <Quintasan> That's the problem with community :P
[14:35] <Quintasan> Everyone is fast to complain but rarley someone bothers to do anything about it :P
[14:36] <txwikinger> Well.. not everybody has the information to fix everything
[14:36] <txwikinger> If I need to fix all the bugs, I do not need a community
[14:37] <txwikinger> And furthermore, I did not complain, I just raised awareness about it
[16:42] <ryrych> apachelogger: which file from .ssh/ I have to upload as a ssh key?
[16:45] <yofel> I would assume the pbulickey, id_XXX.pub
[16:46] <ryrych> yofel: ok, thanks :)
[16:48] <apachelogger> ryrych: ping
[16:48] <ryrych> apachelogger: pong
[16:49] <apachelogger> ryrych: by getting kde dev access you technically have commit/push access to all of KDE, I'd like to make sure that you are aware of the implications of that and thus not change stuff in repos other than the phonon website one, unless invited to do so etc.
[16:52] <ryrych> apachelogger: sure, I’m not a swine and won’t damage anythining :D
[16:53]  * apachelogger sends mail to sysadmins to advocate account request
[16:53] <ryrych> apachelogger: sheytan can confirm that I am trustworthy :)
[16:54] <Quintasan> ryrych: \o
[16:54] <Quintasan> ryrych: apachelogger convinced you to do Phonon website? :O
[16:54] <apachelogger> ryrych: well, as I have not met sheytan in real life that does not help ^^
[16:58] <Quintasan> UDS-P shall be in Poland
[16:58] <ryrych> Quintasan: nope, I told sheytan I would do it
[16:58] <Quintasan> ryrych: oh, cool, having a new, shiny web page is a blog post material
[16:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[16:59] <ryrych> apachelogger: I understand that there is risk that someone might be a vandal but you must put trust in me :D
[17:01] <ryrych> Quintasan: are you Polish? I saw somewhere one dude called quintisan or quintasa?
[17:01] <ryrych> *n
[17:01] <Quintasan> no siema
[17:01] <ryrych> Quintasan: no hej :D to było chyba na blipie
[17:02] <Quintasan> Polish people, Polish people everywhere
[17:04] <ryrych> Quintasan: jesteś devem?
[17:04] <Quintasan> tak
[17:14] <ryrych> ta-ra
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> oh wow, chrome actually works with the menubar now
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> this is interesting: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+PO+Thumbnailer?content=142036
[17:19] <apachelogger> it has a bug
[17:31] <cpatrick08> i was wondering when kde 4.7 beta 1 would be released for natty/oneiric
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> might take a bit, there are significant distribution changes with the upstream source
[17:36] <cpatrick08> ok thanks
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> the whole git migration made a lot of changes
[17:37] <cpatrick08> ok
[17:51] <DarkwingDuck> Morning guys
[17:53] <yofel>  hey DarkwingDuck
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> Hows life yofel?
[17:58] <yofel> sitting on  the balcony enjoying the afternoon sun -> good :)
[17:59] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: epic. I'm finishing research for my second interview with canonical tomorrow
[17:59] <yofel> great :)
[18:00] <DarkwingDuck> :D I just hope Jono likes me a second time around
[18:01] <yofel> hehe
[18:42] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: ping
[19:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, since you are down for the kcm-grub2 eval ... what we have in natty broke my config by messing up the `lsb-release` thus now my grub does not say Ubuntu anymore but lsb-release`
[19:45] <apachelogger> proofing my point of having one do-it-all dangerous to meet the usecase of switch-me-default-booted-os
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> I've changed my default grub entry in oneiric without problem
[19:49] <apachelogger> perhaps fixed
[19:50] <apachelogger> the fact that it broke once does not make me overly confident though :P
[20:08] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, apachelogger: How about we put a notice on website that it (4.7 beta) might take a little longer than usually?
[20:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: seems like we are making an excuse for being slow -> bad public relations
[20:12] <Quintasan> we will get bad PR for being slow without saying anything as well :P
[20:12] <yofel> well, blame the alioth admins, but I think we can manage answering questions on IRC and identi.ca
[20:15] <yofel> but I do wonder when we're going to start, maybe I'll build some things myself in a VM and update the dep-graph at least
[20:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the vocal minority factor :P
[20:16] <apachelogger> there are a lot more people reading kubuntu.org than are complaining about no 4.7b1
[20:22] <bambee> evening
[20:24] <Quintasan> bambee: \o
[20:24] <Quintasan> well. and see you :P
[20:25]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[20:25] <Quintasan> Good night everyone
[20:25] <bambee> good night ;)
[20:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: >Add kamoso to DVD
[20:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: and we have >Get kamoso on the CD
[20:28] <Quintasan> The hell?
[20:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: *shrug*
[20:34] <apachelogger> whoever would I know
[20:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where is that form?
[20:34] <Quintasan> our Todo derp
[20:34] <apachelogger> b0rked
[20:36] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: yes?
[20:46] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: Nevermind, pici fixed it.
[21:25] <ScottK> txwikinger: Try the ntrack update in natty-proposed.
[21:26] <txwikinger> ScottK: ntrack? what is that?
[21:26] <ScottK> It's the networking thing that may be the source of your trouble.
[21:29] <txwikinger> hmm.. ScottKno package found
[21:30] <yofel> it's libntrack0 and others
[21:32]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[21:33] <neversfelde> n8 yofel
[21:36] <txwikinger> ScottK: I installed it. I got one defunc process so far. I will monitor how it goes since it always takes a while.
[21:42] <bambee> what ? the apple logo is a tribute to alan turing ... wow... probably the only one thing well done by apple. o_O
[22:19] <claydoh> good evening my kind kubuntu kin!
[22:23] <apachelogger> hi
[22:23] <apachelogger> what
[22:23] <apachelogger> who?
[22:30] <claydoh> you!
[22:30] <claydoh> and everyone else too
[22:31] <apachelogger> kind?
[22:32]  * apachelogger giggles away
[22:32] <claydoh> sure you have never been otherwise to me
[22:33] <claydoh> :P
[22:33] <apachelogger> must be a bug lol :P
[22:37] <claydoh> I should have sicked you on to the dude who thought kubuntuforums was blocking registrations of users of another distro lol
[22:40] <apachelogger> lolwut
[22:42] <claydoh> serious. The dude had cookies disabled in his browser actually, but he didn't go back and edit his post to clarify or apologize or whatever.
[22:43]  * claydoh sighs
[22:43] <apachelogger> *like*
[22:44]  * claydoh desires a smartphone, will give up cable tv for one, but the Mrs won't go for it
[22:44]  * claydoh notes that said Mrs has her own smartphone
[22:45]  * claydoh goes back to blogging about veromix, his new favorite thing of the moment
[22:46] <apachelogger> you should be careful with that
[22:46] <apachelogger> people are interpreting all sorts of stuff into us talking about things
[22:46] <apachelogger> and at uds the consensus was to continue deploying lord kmix
[22:48] <claydoh> I am just bloggin on how to install and use it, thats it. I wasn't aware there was discussion on it
[22:48] <claydoh> I didn't know veromix used drag-n-drop, for example
[22:49] <apachelogger> basically kmix is getting all sexied up + continuing PA enablement puts it almost on par with veromix + upstream has plans for a soundmenu implementation
[22:49] <apachelogger> then again I ignited that planning and failed to find someone to actually do it ^^
[22:49] <claydoh> so it makes it easy for me to record something with Audacity with my usb headset
[22:51] <claydoh> but that's in the *future* :) or is something in 4.7beta........
[22:51] <vorian> gah, merging does not like me :'(
[22:51] <apachelogger> claydoh: not 4.7
[22:52] <claydoh> As I do not like pavucontrol as much, i shall instruct the huddled masses on the unknown joys  of veromix such as they are
[22:58] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: quick poke ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/1.1.80-0ubuntu1
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> known, working on it
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> waiting on libqapt to clear new queue, actually
[22:59] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[22:59] <shadeslayer> it's waiting on libqtzeigeist actually
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> well
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> yes, technically
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> but I have an upload removing that
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> but it will still have to wait for libqapt even after that
[22:59] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[23:00] <shadeslayer> night then ;)
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> don't worry, I'm on top of things ;-)
[23:00] <shadeslayer> hehe
[23:00]  * shadeslayer has a exam in 11 hours
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> for a while yesterday I was trying to build it in a natty pbuilder :P
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> didn't work out so well
[23:00] <shadeslayer> lol
[23:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: When is that not true?
[23:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: will not be true after 10th
[23:01] <shadeslayer> 10th June
[23:01] <ScottK> Until it is again.
[23:01] <shadeslayer> until my next sem starts, yes
[23:02] <shadeslayer> bye ...
[23:03] <ryrych> apachelogger: my account has been converted to a dev one but I cannot push my changes – I get the info that I have no write access to phonon website repo :(
[23:05] <apachelogger> ryrych: you need to push to a different url
[23:06] <apachelogger>  git@git.kde.org:websites/phonon-kde-org
[23:07] <ryrych> apachelogger: I cloned the repo through ssh which has r+w access
[23:08] <ryrych> hm, but I am not sure – how can I look at my current repo config?
[23:08] <apachelogger> are you sure? because I think cloning from git.kde.org is blocked
[23:09] <apachelogger> less .git/config
[23:09] <apachelogger> also have a look at this http://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/GitKdeOrgManual#Let_Git_rewrite_URL_prefixes
[23:09] <apachelogger> takes care of the url stuff for you
[23:10] <ryrych> apachelogger: I did this rewrite but now I have to change it manually (I think)
[23:11] <apachelogger> just clone from kde:websites/phonon-kde-org, then the alias should take care of appropriate url rewrite at push
[23:12] <apachelogger> or change your .git/config manually to use kde:
[23:12] <apachelogger> anyhow
[23:12] <apachelogger> I am off to bed
[23:12] <apachelogger> nini
[23:27] <ryrych> apachelogger: me too; it turned out I don’t have permission to this repo – I’ll asked tomorrow
[23:27] <ryrych> nini
[23:27] <ryrych> ;)
[23:58] <Riddell> rbelem: ping


[12:43] <zul> i take it the meeting is over
[01:55] <davidj> Where's a good place to find a comparison between Opterons and Xeons?
[01:55] <qman> davidj: tomshardware.com or anandtech.com might be a start
[01:56] <davidj> qman: Thank you.
[01:56] <qman> yup
[04:41] <zul> wtf
[06:26] <fabbione> morning
[07:13] <fabbione> i guess zul didn't put up his archive yet
[09:02] <fabbione> lamont: i am going to parse bugzilla for external drivers requests and see how much we can include in the first shot
[09:02] <lamont> cool
[09:03] <fabbione> i am sure some of them are ok to go right away
[09:03] <lamont> btw, the arch-hppa_pa1 patch (probably?) contains some newer-than-upstream driver changes, esp in the sym58xx driver, iirc.
[09:03] <fabbione> lamont: well the sym58xx is upstream.. isn't it?
[09:03] <lamont> since willy likes to use the parisc tree as his personal testing ground before pushing them into linux (he's upstream for that driver)
[09:03] <fabbione> ah i see
[09:03] <fabbione> well we can wait for willy to push it upstream
[09:03] <lamont> exactly
[09:04] <fabbione> or otherwise you need to split the patch out of parisc
[09:04] <lamont> yeah, and I'm just not all that motivated to do that...
[09:04] <fabbione> i don't mind to coordinate with willy and use ubuntu as test bed
[09:04] <fabbione> neither am i :)
[09:05] <fabbione> let see if willy has it splitted already :)
[09:07] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update acpi_sony'
[09:07] <fabbione> ssh: sftp: Name or service not known
[09:07] <fabbione><EMAIL_ADDRESS>not a valid archive name or url.
[09:07] <fabbione> baz 1.4 is broken
[09:12] <lamont> that's why I stick to what we ship our customers (aka hoary)
[09:12] <fabbione> lamont: yeah.. i know..
[09:12] <lamont> hehe
[09:33] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update atmel firmwarez'
[09:33] <fabbione> whoops :)
[09:48] <T-Bone_> booh
[09:50] <T-Bone_> cool
[09:50] <T-Bone_> http://sloss.free.fr/gallerie/index.php?gal=5 <- have you been posing for that? ;}
[09:53] <fabbione> ehehe
[09:53] <T-Bone_> =)
[09:53] <fabbione> i did pose for warthogs :)
[09:54] <T-Bone_> lol
[09:54] <fabbione> the warthogs suites me better in shape and size :P
[09:54] <T-Bone_> rotfl
[09:54] <T-Bone_> what an ugly person you must be 8)
[09:54] <T-Bone_> Teeheehee >:-)
[10:02] <T-Bone_> hu. Breezy uploads are open, heh
[10:19] <fabbione> yeah but there are no binaries
[10:19] <fabbione> not until they will decide what to do with the ToolChain
[10:20] <T-Bone_> k
[11:52] <T-Bone_> Mithrandir : I think it's wouldn't be the first time RMS shows signs of mental disease ;P
[11:52] <Mithrandir> T-Bone_: -private?
[11:52] <T-Bone_> yeah
[01:47] <Mithrandir> T-Bone_: if you could test the ia32-libs from Debian and make sure I haven't broken anything, I'd appreciate
[01:49] <T-Bone_> Mithrandir : you mean testing Debian unstable's package on a Debian box, right?
[01:49] <Mithrandir> and on Ubuntu, yes
[01:49] <T-Bone_> the same package?
[01:49] <Mithrandir> yes
[01:49] <Mithrandir> please
[01:49] <T-Bone_> ok
[01:49] <Mithrandir> I want to sync it
[01:50] <T-Bone_> will do, though I can't tell you when yet (i'll be doing some handwork in my DC this evening, and I might be a bit tired when I'm done ;P
[01:53] <fabbione> ok
[01:53] <fabbione> theoretically -1 is ready to go
[01:53] <fabbione> all our arches builds/boots
[01:53] <fabbione> at least.. to the best of my knowledge
[01:54] <T-Bone_> eww. That doesn't mean much then 8)
[01:56] <T-Bone_> bwahhaha
[01:57] <fabbione> sparc wins on i386 and ppc
[01:57] <fabbione> it took less time to build the kernel than the other 2 arches
[01:58] <T-Bone_> fabbione : let me guess: there's nothing enabled in that kernel, you're building half as much flavours as these archs have, or what? :)
[01:58] <fabbione> no.. you can just branch and maintain separate packages
[01:58] <fabbione> T-Bone: same configs as before...
[01:58] <T-Bone_> fabbione so you've got your hands on some awesome hardware?
[01:59] <fabbione> but when ccache hits, sparc I/O > (ppc | i386) I/O
[01:59] <T-Bone_> huhu
[01:59] <fabbione> T-Bone: same as yesterday
[01:59] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I/O doesn't matter when you've all in RAM. ;)
[01:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it matters when it goes to ccache
[01:59] <fabbione> all the arches didn't have the kernel in RAM
[01:59] <Mithrandir> fabbione: then you have too little RAM. :P
[01:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ppc has 2GB.. davis
[02:00] <fabbione> i386 1GB
[02:00] <Mithrandir> and then memory bandwidth/latency wins, which means: AMD64!
[02:00] <fabbione> sparc 512Mb
[02:00] <Mithrandir> :)
[02:00] <T-Bone_> ewww
[02:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i didn't mention concordia dude!
[02:00] <T-Bone_> hppa has 4 to 8GB ;)
[02:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: that one beats everything
[02:11] <T-Bone__> gaah, fsckin laggy connX
[02:12] <fabbione> Riktig gjetta, detta er en homsekanal!
[02:13] <Mithrandir> fabbione: er?
[02:13] <fabbione> ahaha
[02:13] <fabbione> j/K
[02:13] <fabbione> doesn't that mean something like: "that's right, this is a gaysex channel!"
[02:13] <Mithrandir> does
[02:15] <T-Bone__> reminds me of that French teacher when i went in England during a student exchange program, who asked me the best insults he could teach his students. They were barely be able to ask for food, yet he thought swearing was more important ;P
[02:16] <fabbione> Oui, vous l'avez devin. c'est un cannal de sexe homosexuel.
[02:16] <T-Bone__> s/sexe//
[02:16] <T-Bone__> err, s/de sexe//
[02:16] <fabbione> whatever.. i don't speak french anyway
[02:17] <T-Bone__> that's a chance for us ;)
[02:17] <fabbione> Sonotoori.. Koko wa geisekkusu suru channeru nandayo~
[02:17] <T-Bone__> LOL
[02:17] <T-Bone__> not that bad
[02:17] <fabbione> i know
[02:18] <fabbione> we have a bot that has the same sentence translated in like 100 languages
[02:18] <T-Bone__> you're copy/pasting, aren't you?  I wonder what your wife has to say about that ;)
[02:20] <T-Bone_> you said "we".  I don't have the IQ of an oyster you know.  I was more thinking of an atomic bomb or the like...
[03:39] <zul> thats a bit too harsh
[03:39] <T-Bone_> i'm not quite sure it's enough, actually ;P
[04:25] <zul> fabbione: ping
[04:25] <T-Bone_> zul : he's having a nap ;)
[04:26] <zul> ooo..
[04:27] <T-Bone_> see yall
[04:41] <fabbione> re
[04:42] <zul> hey fabbione sorry about the arch stuff i had it working last night but a power outage knocked it out this morning and i have no way of rebooting
[04:42] <zul> but i see you updated it anyways
[04:43] <fabbione> zul: well i had to update anyway
[04:43] <zul> yeah i saw
[04:43] <fabbione> because i couldn't wait any longer
[04:43] <zul> yeah thats fine
[04:44] <zul> but there shouldnt be any more problems from me..
[04:46] <zul> but anyways how is it going?
[04:46] <fabbione> it's going good
[04:46] <zul> good
[04:48] <zul> im going out with my mother in law tonight ;)
[04:53] <zul> and i dont know why i said that
[04:57] <zul> so what drivers have you not updated?
[04:58] <fabbione> they are all updated
[04:58] <zul> ok
[04:58] <fabbione> we need to start to look at bugzilla and make a list of the ones we can import
[04:59] <zul> we should have a todo list and split it up amongst ourselves
[05:04] <zul> ttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=bugs.resolution%2C+relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=driver
[05:15] <zul> this is a quicklist pass through of the drivers requested with the above url:
[05:15] <zul> sk98lin    - 8937
[05:15] <zul> spca5xx usb  - 2624
[05:15] <zul> Wacom - 2396
[05:15] <zul> acx_pci - 7160
[05:15] <zul> azx audio driver - 6629
[05:15] <zul> linksys wusb11 - 1534
[05:15] <zul> uli526x - 3618
[05:15] <zul> perc 4e - 8817
[05:15] <zul> qc-usb webcam - 6145
[05:15] <zul> ralink rt2500 -2570
[05:15] <zul> acer hotkeys - 8628
[05:15] <zul> pscax50x - 4500
[05:15] <zul> wlb2011pcm - 8152
[05:15] <zul> audigy 2 NX - 9068
[05:15] <fabbione> zul: kernel-team@
[05:15] <zul> ov511 - 8745
[05:15] <zul> belkin f5d6051 - 2652
[05:15] <zul> driver - bug #
[05:15] <zul> ok
[05:15] <kylem> spam spam spam.
[05:15] <kylem> spam spam eggs & spam.
[05:15] <zul> yeah so? :)
[05:16] <kylem> sorry, i've a final i'm going to fail in a couple hours.
[05:16] <kylem> so i'm kind of nutty. ;-)
[05:16] <fabbione> ov511 and 9068 are upstream.. probably only buggy
[05:19] <zul> send an email to kernel-team
[05:19] <zul> now i can go back to my regularily scheduled program
[05:21] <zul> holy crap its 11:30 already?
[05:22] <Lathiat> zul: where do you live?
[05:22] <zul> Canada
[05:22] <Lathiat> am or pm?
[05:22] <zul> am
[05:22] <Lathiat> ah
[05:22] <zul> almost time for lunch
[05:22] <Lathiat> heading towards midnight here :)
[05:23] <zul> signapore?
[05:32] <Lathiat> perth, western australia, australia
[05:33] <zul> ah
[06:06] <fabbione> zul: you are lazy
[06:06] <fabbione> the list is far to be completed
[06:06] <fabbione> we need to go trough buzgilla manually
[06:25] <zul> fabbione: it was a quick overview
[06:25] <zul> no way complete
[06:27] <fabbione> zul: i understand, but we need to go trough all of them :)
[06:28] <zul> duh :)
[06:31] <kylem> i wonder how divergent aacraid is...
[06:35] <zul> fabbione: do you have a todo list or something we can have a look at?
[06:36] <fabbione> zul: nope.. we need to go trough the list of all requested external/update drivers
[06:36] <fabbione> and evaluate which ones to include or not
[06:36] <fabbione> and get the ok once in before the first upload
[06:37] <fabbione> s/once/ones
[06:56] <zul> spam..
[06:56] <zul> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&component=linux&component=linux-kernel-headers&component=linux-meta&component=linux-wlan-ng&component=UNKNOWN&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&resolution=DUP
[06:56] <zul> LICATE&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
[06:56] <kylem> holy crap.
[06:58] <Lathiat> zul: www.tinyurl.com dudde
[07:01] <zul> heh...this is not a good week for me ;)
[07:02] <zul> http://tinyurl.com/4kn2e
[07:03] <Lathiat> much better :)
[07:07] <zul> via has relased some drivers for their video cards as well
[07:10] <fabbione> drm?
[07:11] <zul> think so
[07:11] <zul> http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/2005_archive/pr050412_driversource.jsp
[07:12] <fabbione> ENOCARE :)
[07:12] <fabbione> via sucks anyway
[07:12] <zul> yeah but some users still use via
[07:13] <fabbione> time for them to change to some sane hw
[07:13] <fabbione> :)
[07:15] <zul> heh
[07:25] <Mithrandir> hm
[07:25] <Mithrandir> what generates the pci maps?
[07:25] <fabbione> something at buildtime
[07:25] <fabbione> it uses the pci_table thingy
[07:25] <Mithrandir> fabbione: damn, you're useful.   It's me stopping this place from overflowing ATM. :P
[07:41] <zul> hehe..wanna trade? :)
[07:49] <zul> nfs v4
[07:51] <fabbione> zul: that is already part of our kernel..
[07:51] <fabbione> at least.. we build it
[07:51] <zul> bleah...nm
[08:00] <fabbione> impressive.. the patches did apply without any problem
[08:00] <fabbione> i wonder if it compiles :)
[08:02] <Mithrandir> with the kerberos patches?
[08:02] <fabbione> Mithrandir: plain GFS from RH CVS
[08:02] <Mithrandir> nah, the kerberos 4 stuff
[08:03] <fabbione> Mithrandir: meh.. why?
[08:03] <Mithrandir> because kerberos and nfs4 is love.
[08:04] <fabbione> nah...
[08:04] <fabbione> GFS > *
[08:04] <fabbione> nfs is boring
[08:04] <Mithrandir> nfs4 is interesting
[08:05] <fabbione> well i heard some stuff about it.. but never got around to actually test it
[08:05] <fabbione> + i don't think it supports clustering as GFS does
[08:05] <fabbione> and i am looking at the latter
[08:05] <Mithrandir> I though GFS was just a good way to deadlock your kernel?
[08:06] <Mithrandir> have you gotten any further on the xen stuff, btw?
[08:06] <fabbione> Mithrandir: xen at the moment is no GO
[08:06] <fabbione> and probably we won't be able to package images
[08:06] <fabbione> not with 2.0.5 at least
[08:07] <fabbione> i was talking with mjg59 and another guy in london
[08:07] <fabbione> basically 2.0.5 is way to sensitive to the hw
[08:07] <fabbione> it uses a microkernel to boot the real kernel
[08:07] <fabbione> and they realized that it is *BAD*
[08:07] <fabbione> so now they are changing the implementation
[08:08] <fabbione> making the normal kernel to boot first
[08:08] <fabbione> (that it is know to work)
[08:08] <fabbione> and taking over at a later stage
[08:09] <Mithrandir> ok
[08:09] <Mithrandir> do you have any idea on ETA for it?
[08:09] <fabbione> nope
[08:09] <fabbione> also because they have their tree in bk :)
[08:09] <fabbione> http://xen.sf.net/
[08:11] <fabbione> CONFIG_FS_GFS?
[08:11] <fabbione> m
[08:15] <Mithrandir> hmm, the map file is made by depmod
[08:17] <fabbione> yeah and it uses infos from the modules
[08:22] <zul> you know what would be nice a arguement that will build only one kernel without removing the configs
[08:22] <fabbione> zul: uh?
[08:23] <zul> say that i only want to build a 386 kernel, so i would do something like
[08:23] <zul> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b 386
[08:23] <fabbione> rm debian/config/{686,k7}*
[08:23] <zul> and then the rules file in the debian directory would only build 386
[08:24] <zul> i know but without removing debian/config/{686,k7}*
[08:24] <fabbione> i know :)
[08:24] <zul> something like export FLAVOUR="386" dpkg-buildpackage or something
[08:24] <fabbione> zul: patch debian/rules to support it
[08:25] <fabbione> i don't mind to add this stuff
[08:25] <zul> or even export IMPATIENT
[08:25] <fabbione> just be sure to use an ENVVAR that is not common
[08:25] <zul> oh i will
[08:25] <zul> i just have to figure it out
[08:30] <zul> wha...
[08:31] <fabbione> bah
[08:31] <zul> bla
[08:31] <fabbione> gfs requires another set of kernel modules just to build....
[08:31] <zul> hah hah
[08:31] <fabbione> at least it's all there
[08:31] <fabbione> just need more crack :)
[08:35] <dilinger> mm, crack
[08:37] <fabbione> dilinger: you got mail
[08:48] <Mithrandir> fabbione: seems like i2o_block needs to grow something like:
[08:48] <Mithrandir> static struct pci_device_id i2o_block_ids = {
[08:48] <Mithrandir>   { 0x1044 0xa511, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0x10400, 0, 0, 0, },
[08:48] <Mithrandir>   { 0, }
[08:48] <Mithrandir> }
[08:48] <Mithrandir> MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, i2o_block_ids);
[08:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: cool.. send me the patch please :)
[08:49] <fabbione> or in an email
[08:49] <Mithrandir> that's a patch.