[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[16:18] <ilyes39> hi
[16:19] <ilyes39> ubuntu is the best
[16:19] <ilyes39> i wanna ask something please
[16:19] <ilyes39> ?
[16:20] <lubuntu> I saw it on facebook.
[16:20] <Guest98828> Long life to Linux !
[16:23] <andrew> hiiiiiiiiiiiii
[16:24] <andrew> hiiiiiiiii
[16:24] <Arfphis> hello
[16:31] <vinfinity> sup guise?
[16:38] <Guest98828> hello guys
[16:43] <Battaglin> hui
[16:43] <Battaglin> hi* even
[16:45] <kunjappi> ubuntu 13.10
[16:45] <kunjappi> when it release
[16:45] <kunjappi> waiting for that
[16:46] <Battaglin> yup
[16:50] <semiguel1998> Alguien Habla español
[16:51] <tegnel> ok
[16:54] <xubuntuisbetter> yo
[16:55] <blydro> Better be on time today....
[16:57] <xubuntuisbetter> thats  negative
[16:57] <xubuntuisbetter> this is ubuntu, only thing in schedule r da releases
[17:00] <pritz> Hi @
[17:01] <dholbach> are we live? :)
[17:01] <redkiwi> ka
[17:01] <netcurli> I can see you
[17:01] <Battaglin> yup
[17:01] <SimonK1> i see you
[17:01] <xubuntuisbetter> i can see you
[17:01] <redkiwi> live
[17:01] <dholbach> jono, looks like we're live :)
[17:01] <xubuntuisbetter> sexy
[17:01] <jdrab> yes
[17:01] <Richie442> yay!
[17:01] <dholbach> :-D
[17:01] <jdrab> we see you!
[17:01] <jdrab> :D
[17:01] <dddkiddd> i can see you
[17:02] <Acil> i can see :)
[17:02] <tegnel> so it my firt way to be hear
[17:02] <Battaglin> I seee you... ( Shakin that a.. ) :-P
[17:02] <austin_powers_12> yep!
[17:02] <ZionPTM> Can't watch on YouTube for Android. :(
[17:02] <pritz> ok...everything clear! looks to be live!
[17:03] <dholbach> if you ask questions, please make sure you prefix them with QUESTION: so they standout
[17:04] <jdrab> awesome
[17:06] <SimonK1> QUESTION: is wayland like qt 2 Years ago? So is it just not "good enough" atm or is it like gnome-shell, to which Ubuntu won't switch "back"?
[17:08] <Battaglin> thnx
[17:12] <Siper> wat
[17:12] <janepatrick> a good update
[17:13] <mutahhar> hi everyboy
[17:13] <kgunn>  http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8
[17:15] <janepatrick> good one
[17:15]  * janepatrick slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout
[17:17] <jono> get your questions in folks
[17:17] <jono> type 'QUESTION' and then your question
[17:18] <krrish> Hye
[17:18] <Siper> QUESTION
[17:18] <blydro> yes?
[17:19] <SimonK1> QUESTION: how is "click" handling architectures x86, armhf and multi-arch?
[17:20] <cheerockie> Hello everyone
[17:20] <kgunn> SimonK1: wrt your earlier question about wayland, i wouldn't want to draw on any historical analogies or go into any expansion on reasons that have already been discussed at length about our choice, but rather just a statement that our efforts are going into mir
[17:20] <Ravinj> Can we have Ubuntu supporting 3D printing
[17:21] <docwes> Hi all
[17:21] <SimonK1> kgunn, i see
[17:21] <Siper> QUESTION: What about Mir?
[17:22] <kgunn> SimonK1: wrt click..I'm not completely certain what you're after...can you rephrase/expand maybe ?
[17:24] <kgunn> Siper: in the next hour (top of the hour) we're going to have an expanded session on mir
[17:24] <dholbach> kgunn, I'll take SimonK1's question
[17:24] <SimonK1> QUESTION: [rephrased] do I, as a developer, have to pack one click-package per supported architecture?
[17:25] <dholbach> (and answer in a bit once we get to the Q&A)
[17:25] <kgunn> dholbach: SimonK1 sorry....thot it was a ques about "click" like mouse input :) sorry
[17:25] <unixpablo> I have to many problems with the X11 and a think that the Wayland will go to the same way.
[17:25] <jono> get your questions in folks :-)
[17:26] <unixpablo> So I support 100% the Mir project. Congratulation to the Ubuntu.
[17:26] <SimonK1> QUESTION: [rephrased] If I'm developing a huge app, do I have to upload my data-files for every architecture with my "click"-package?
[17:27] <dholbach> SimonK1, short answer: initially yes, implementation of "fat packages" (shipping code for multiple architectures in one package) is still being discussed - one good summary of the current discussion here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00067.html
[17:28] <dholbach> in the first incarnation of click and the appstore you'll have to upload them separately AFAIK, but make yourself heard on the mailing list - just join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-appstore-developers
[17:28] <jono> any other questions, folks?
[17:28] <jono> I will go through them in a second
[17:29] <jdrab> QUESTION: in Canonicals individual contribution agreement ( http://www.canonical.com/sites/default/files/active/images/Canonical-HA-CLA-ANY-I.pdf ) - section 2.3 there is this line "We may license the Contribution under any license, including copyleft,permissive, commercial, or proprietary licenses." Can you explain how this applies to mir and unity if someone from "community" contributes to mir or unity? According to CAL it possible for
[17:29] <jdrab>  Canonical to lock this software under some proprietary license,right? I'm asking because of some FUD out there.
[17:29] <who_me> QUESTION: How will switching from open-source video drivers to proprietary ones work since Mir will probably only work on the open-source ones in 13.10. Will it be easy to revert back from proprietary to open-source ones?
[17:31] <mramm> QUESTION: (just a reminder) What is the charm championship?  How much can I win, and how can I find out more?
[17:33] <jdrab> mramm: https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/P5SGqTwxBKm
[17:35] <who_me> QUESTION: Are there plans to add never versions of proprietary video drivers to Ubuntu 12.04 to support newer cards from Nvidia (the 700 series) and AMD?
[17:35] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Are "click"-packages build to expand the "requested api"s? Now we have "Ubuntu-SDK" how likely will this change?
[17:36] <dholbach> SimonK1, I'm not sure what "requested api's" means?
[17:36] <kgunn> who_me: wrt open source vs proprietary drivers on mir, the current xmir has a fallback mechanism which will continue boot in "standalone X" if it discovers you have drivers that aren't supporting the mir driver model
[17:37] <jdrab> QUESTION: how do i get rid of that second cursor in xmir? :)
[17:37] <SimonK1> dholbach: the "one depency", which this package has. All "click"-packages are (currently) depending on ubuntu-sdk
[17:38] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Am I currently able to listen to mp3 via ubuntu-music-app?
[17:38] <dholbach> SimonK1, ah yes - to be honest, I'm not quite sure how additional (non-SDK dependencies) are being handled - I think last I heard was something about bundling, but I can find out for you
[17:38] <kgunn> jdrab: i'm not a lawyer, but i believe the spirit wrt licensing is about discouraging fragmentation
[17:38] <jdrab> SimonK1: you have a lot of questions :D
[17:39] <dholbach> as I said: a good place to ask is the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-appstore-developers mailing list
[17:39] <SimonK1> jdrab, I've missed the last one by one hour :(
[17:40] <SimonK1> because of UTC to MET confusion
[17:40] <kgunn> jdrab: wrt second cursor, working on it :)....however its a nice cheap way to know your on xmir :)
[17:40] <jdrab> kgunn: i personaly think that the software is safe if it's under gnu gpl but there are a lot of trolls and ugly people out there who will bash canonical because of CAL :]
[17:41] <SimonK1> dholbach, I know about the "bundling"-plans. What I'm asking about is an older idea of "Frameworks" (QT-Framework, GTK-Framework, SDL-Framework, ...)
[17:41] <dholbach> SimonK1, I don't know about any of these, I'm afraid
[17:42] <mramm> https://juju.ubuntu.com/charm-championship/
[17:42] <SimonK1> dholbach, i see... Maybe this is just something that will pop up then^^
[17:42] <SimonK1> * pop up later then
[17:47] <Chirag> why still we need OS to install manually... why it couldnt be on cloud so we can login easily and operate our data....
[17:47] <unixpablo> When the friend-app will come to the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I won't use a version no-LTS of this system, is to hard for me.
[17:47] <unixpablo> ?
[17:50] <SimonK1> QUESTION: What FPS-difference (in percentage) between XMir and X.org are planed for 13.10 (see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_xmir_benchmark&num=1 for background infos)
[17:51] <Chirag> New LTS release is better or  worst than 12.04
[17:53] <jdrab> kgunn: so that second cursor in xmir, is it supposed to move on different speed than the primary one? :D
[17:53] <Chirag> in 12.04 many issues and lot's of bugs found afterwards
[17:54] <BobbieD> QUESTION: Is there a list of the supported video driver MIR will support on Ubuntu? I have an old Radeon HD 5400
[17:55] <jdrab> wee 2hours that's awesome 8)
[17:57] <cooldudeabhi> about gaming on ubuntu: every dev is producing games for windows but its still to hard to install games like gta4 with wine.....are u guys planning to launch an app with mount .exe better so everyone can easily switch over to ubuntu completly?
[17:58] <SimonK1> Oha, someone is hitting the keyboard^^
[18:00] <Chirag> libreoffice has lots of issues ... please ssolved it first
[18:03] <Ika> QUESTION how will mir compare to X in terms of game performance?
[18:03] <who_me> QUESTION: Will Qt and GTK support Mir or will Canonical have to maintain separate patches?
[18:03] <Blastodon> is the youtube window stuck on the circle loading screen for anyone else?
[18:04] <jdrab> Blastodon: nope
[18:04] <Billynkid> Blastodon:not here
[18:04] <Blastodon> well let me refresh
[18:05] <Blastodon> Ok now it's saying please stand by
[18:06] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Will I have one big XMir window, with "emulated sub-windows" on my Mir-Desktop (like starting wine with an emulated desktop resolution) or will every Window be a window composized/decorated by Mir?
[18:12] <kgunn> SimonK1: you can think in xmir its still x with compiz as you windowmgr/compositor....with mir as an addition, being a system-compositor (e.g. greeter & desktop could not be blended nicely, flicker free start)
[18:15] <kgunn> Ika: we do plan to add bypass composition so hopefully it will be roughly the same...from an overhead perspective the game has to do its rendering bit via gl...composition bypass simply allows for avoiding what ends up being a full screen copy (read/write of pixels)...this is kind of standard industry fare
[18:17] <SimonK1> kgunn, i fear my question wasn't as clear as i hoped: If I have an "legacy - application" running on XMir, which has 2 Windows, will Mir just show something like a "virtual desktop" with 2 windows, decorated by "compiz"?
[18:18] <RAOF> SimonK1: From Mir's perspective (at the moment) XMir is just a single big fullscreen window.
[18:18] <Ika> sounds like a bad turn for linux gaming
[18:18] <SimonK1> RAOF, i see _=
[18:18] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Will every fullscreen-game be able to ruin my desktop-resolution if the game segfaults, like in X?
[18:20] <slangasek> Ika: gaming will typically be full-screen and use the bypass feature olli mentioned will be implemented
[18:20] <slangasek> as RAOF is currently describing :)
[18:21] <olli> slangasek, we have quite some lag between stream and IRC I believe
[18:22] <slangasek> quite possibly!  hello, greetings from the future
[18:25] <olli> tvoss, pls share your diffstat again
[18:25] <olli> this is to support xmir impact on vanilla x
[18:26] <tvoss> olli, here we go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5797514/
[18:27] <jdrab> QUESTION: can you explain the difference for me as a user when using server allocated buffers in mir and client allocated buffers aka "how the wayland is doing it" ? mir is using server allocated buffers because of arm right?
[18:28] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Will I be able to set a color-profile per monitor?
[18:31] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Is Mir tested against FPS- or Powerusage-regressions?
[18:31] <HappyHoward> @jdrab wayland can do server side buffer allocation too.
[18:31] <SimonK1> QUESTION: If Mir is more strickt with inputs and outputs. Will this restrict the VNC/Teamviewer-usage?
[18:32] <jdrab> HappyHoward: hmm didn't know about it
[18:32] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Is the "middle-click-past" of selected text available in Mir?
[18:34] <RAOF> SimonK1: Shell-dependent. In XMir? Sure. For Unity8 we probably won't have three separate clipboard mechanisms, though ☺
[18:35] <RAOF> jdrab: There's no difference as a user between server allocated and client allocated buffer.
[18:35] <slangasek> oh no, you're not getting rid of middle-click paste in Unity 8?!
[18:35] <SimonK1> :( that is the reason why i can't use Win8 anymore^^
[18:35] <slangasek> I may have to rethink my support of this strategy now ;-)
[18:35] <SimonK1> @slangasek we have to start a revolt^^
[18:36] <slangasek> SimonK1: nah, I just have to convince RAOF to keep middle-click paste support, just without the multiple different clipboards ;-)
[18:36] <SimonK1> ... no revolt? sad panda^^
[18:36] <beuno> YES
[18:36] <beuno> no more multiple clipboards FTW
[18:37] <Richie442> QUESTION: Is there any possible chance, that 13.10 ( Mir and XMir with open- source drivers) will increase the performance of Ubuntu desktop respectively Unity 7?
[18:38] <Klau3> Will 13.10 provide a flicker free boot and shutdown?
[18:39] <slangasek> Richie442: it's possible, but any such result would be a fluke; the fact that Mir + XMir + Unity 7 still uses the existing X APIs means it will still have the same performance limitations as Unity 7 today - the performance limitations that generated interest in converting to a new architecture in the first place
[18:39] <kgunn> Richie442: nope, it'll in effect be the same, you still have the full x stack there...xmir is just a system comp
[18:39] <SimonK1> @slangasek, i fear I don't know "clipboards" this well. are "Middle-Click" and "Ctrl+V" two clipboards? or is "Middle-Click" by itself multiple clipboards?
[18:40] <slangasek> SimonK1: the mouse cursor left-click-drag highlight, middle-click paste is one clipboard in X; ^C+^V is a different one
[18:40] <slangasek> and some applications sync the two
[18:40] <slangasek> but it's application-dependent
[18:40] <SimonK1> I see
[18:40] <kgunn> Klau3: flicker free is on the todo list, admittedly we're focusing on a couple of other things first...multimonitor, composition bypass
[18:41] <Klau3> cool
[18:41] <beuno> slangasek, and what are the chances that'll also fix the "copy from an app, close the app, loose the clipboard" problem?
[18:41] <SimonK1> @slangasek, so if they are merged "^C + ^V" will do exactly the same as "Middle-Click"?
[18:41] <kgunn> Klau3: something we/i want...just not quite ready to make a commitment statement here
[18:41] <slangasek> beuno: I'm not the person to speak to that :)
[18:41] <slangasek> SimonK1: that's the idea, yes
[18:41] <RAOF> beuno: If we *don't* solve that problem it'll be a big.
[18:41] <RAOF> s/big/bug/
[18:41] <HappyHoward> QUESTION: Earlier you said you would break API/ABI at your whim. Is this still true?
[18:42] <beuno> RAOF, woooooo! you'll close an early 5 digit bug!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11334
[18:42] <SimonK1> hm, thats sad though
[18:42] <beuno> RAOF, and become my instant best friend
[18:42] <RAOF> HappyHoward: I don't think we said that at all?
[18:42] <beuno> I'll let my current best friend know their status is at risk
[18:43] <HappyHoward> What did you sy then?
[18:43] <popey> \o/ FINALLY! I'll have Ubuntu on my fridge!
[18:43] <tvoss> popey, ;)
[18:43] <beuno> RAOF, so I can assign that bug to you?  ;)
[18:44] <RAOF> HappyHoward: That we don't support a *protocol* , and we make no guarantees that we won't break the protocol.
[18:44] <HappyHoward> QUESTION: Regarding the API/ABI stability what is your stance. That may be a better question.
[18:44] <RAOF> HappyHoward: Our API/ABI will stabilise and then we won't break it.
[18:46] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Will plymouth be using Mir? (I heared rumors^^)
[18:46] <slangasek> SimonK1: we hope so
[18:46] <slangasek> the code is yet to be written :)
[18:47] <HappyHoward> RAOF: The protocol part sounds fine, since it's internal to mir.
[18:47] <beuno> mramm, has the best hair in this hangout
[18:47] <SimonK1> QUESTION: Will I still be able to configure my Wacom? I'm using xsetwacom
[18:48] <tvoss> slangasek, oh, we have a plymouth integration patch :)
[18:48] <tvoss> slangasek, it was our test-bed for non-accelerated clients
[18:48] <slangasek> tvoss: oh, hmm!  merge proposal on lp:ubuntu/plymouth, please
[18:48] <tvoss> slangasek, +1 :)
[18:49] <slangasek> robert_ancell had sent me a link to some code, but implied that it wasn't ready for prime time yet
[18:50] <tvoss> slangasek, I will check with alf :)
[18:50] <slangasek> ok, cool
[18:53] <Nicolascage> I switched to ubuntu and i'm loving it, thanks guitar and glasses dude! (forgot your name, sorry!)
[18:54] <beuno> lol jono ^
[18:56] <who_me> QUESTION: Will Mir make it easier for people trying to write a screen recording application?
[18:57] <glome> QUESTION: Does Mir use server or client side window decorations?
[18:58] <slangasek> jono: sorry, that's the sound of my laptop taking off because I don't have Unity 8 here yet to reduce its power consumption
[18:58] <popey> hah, i can hear someone's laptop about to take off..
[18:58] <jono> slangasek, :-)
[18:58] <popey> Go Google hangout plugin, go!
[19:02] <who_me> thanks, this has been great
[19:02] <popey> nice work guys
[19:02] <jdrab> wee awesome 2hours
[19:02] <Richie442> nice :)
[19:03] <Richie442> Bye all... :)


[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[08:33] <lee_> hay i have problem
[08:33] <lee_> can u help me ???
[08:38] <bkerensa> lee_: Whats the issue?
[08:53] <lee_> in the frst instalation dont mach root pass
[08:53] <lee_> i cant log on ubuntu
[08:56] <lee_> after the first installation
[08:57] <lee_> match*
[09:20] <YoBoY> lee_, perhaps you should ask this on the support channel, type: /join #ubuntu
[09:20] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:21] <lee_> oke
[09:21] <lee_> TY
[09:23] <YoBoY> but IMHO this kind of problem is revolved faster with a reinstallation if it's just a "I forget my new password" problem :p


[01:08] <tseng> we made #ubuntu-mono because i am tired of msging with people
[01:08] <tseng> and having a ton of open windows
[01:09] <tseng> mbreit is not here :/
[01:09] <tseng> i thought there was another
[01:10] <lathiat>  /join #ubuntu-monu
[01:10] <lathiat> bah
[01:58] <hub> what if for one of my package I need a package already in debian ?
[01:59] <hub> but not in ubuntu
[02:00] <SloMoSnail> hub: ask elmo to sync it from debian
[02:03] <hub> how ?
[02:03] <hub> is there a precodure >
[02:05] <SloMoSnail> hub: just write him a mail and describe why you need this package
[02:06] <hub> okay
[02:07] <hub> checking
[02:07] <hub> not even sure it is in debian
[02:27] <apokryphos> is there any chance of getting musicbrainz in universe with mp3 support?
[02:28] <apokryphos> it's in MAIN so that amaroK can use it, but it's quasi-useless as the tagging ability can't be used with mp3s
[03:40] <lathiat> siretart, ajmitch: what are my chances of getting avahi packages into universe? :)
[03:45] <ajmitch> lathiat: depends on how much $$ you're willing to cough up? ;)
[03:45] <lathiat> ajmitch: haha
[03:46] <ajmitch> it's just a lib, or it has apps with it?
[03:46] <lathiat> both
[03:47] <ajmitch> right
[03:47] <ajmitch> you're upstream?
[03:47] <lathiat> yep
[03:47] <ajmitch> sweet
[03:47] <lathiat> ross burton did the debianization tho
[03:47] <lathiat> not that that really matters
[03:48] <ajmitch> so where are the packages?
[03:48] <lathiat> i havent got them off ross yet
[03:48] <lathiat> later today
[03:49] <ajmitch> get packages before begging for inclusion ;)
[03:49] <lathiat> haha they're done and i've seen whats in them i just dont have them off him yet :)
[03:49] <lathiat> will do :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> hmm
[03:50] <ajmitch> rtl8180-kernel package on revu
[03:50] <ajmitch> dse sell a few of those cards
[03:51] <lathiat> yeh
[03:52] <ajmitch> might be better in the mainline kernel if it's stable
[03:52] <ajmitch> (for breezy+1, I guess)
[03:53] <ajmitch> so is avahi 0.1 actually released then? :)
[03:53] <lathiat> yes
[03:53] <lathiat> it is
[03:53] <lathiat> this morning
[03:53] <lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/avahi/announcement-0.1
[03:53] <lathiat> http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi
[03:54] <ajmitch> will ross be uploading to sid?
[03:54] <lathiat> well
[03:54] <lathiat> debian doesn have python-gtk2 yet
[03:54] <lathiat> and i dont even know if they have dbus 0.3x yet
[03:54] <lathiat> so i suspect not for a bit
[03:55] <ajmitch> you  mean no python-gtk2 2.8?
[03:55] <ajmitch> because pygtk2 has been in sid for a *long* time
[03:55] <lathiat> i have no idea i dont use it
[03:55] <lathiat> i just heard people say it doesnt have it
[03:55] <ajmitch> hah
[03:56] <ajmitch> been there since 2002
[03:56] <lathiat> python2.4-gtk2 ?
[03:56] <ajmitch> no, python-gtk2
[03:58] <ajmitch> does avahi require python2.4?
[03:58] <ajmitch> I see it does.. why is that? :)
[03:58] <lathiat> umm
[03:58] <lathiat> actually i think dbus require 2.4
[03:59] <ajmitch> right..
[03:59] <ajmitch> crackful
[03:59] <lathiat> so we implicitly do
[03:59] <lathiat> thats just a guess
[03:59] <lathiat> im not 100% sure
[03:59] <ajmitch> sid has dbus 0.23.4-3
[03:59] <lathiat> yeh we need 0.3x
[04:00] <lathiat> which i think is in experimental
[04:00] <ajmitch> yes, sid is quite conservative :)
[04:01] <lathiat> yeh dbus 0.3 wants python 2.4
[04:01] <lathiat> 0.35, err
[04:02] <lathiat> and unfortunately avahi-publish doesnt work without cvs of breezys version because of a bug in the bindings (everythign else works tho)
[04:02] <lathiat> we're not on the bleeding edge of stuff, honest. :)
[04:02] <ajmitch> it'll make backports fun ;)
[04:02] <lathiat> i may work on getting dbus 0.23 support
[04:15] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, making backports fun is the goal of any good packager, no?
[04:16] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: of course
[04:16] <ajmitch> that's why you need to build-dep on all the latest goodies
[04:17] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: btw, welcome to the old age of 23 ;)
[04:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, thank you, 22 was a pretty good year
[04:28] <ajmitch> hi robitaille
[04:29] <robitaille> hi ajmitch
[06:43] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[06:45] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[06:45] <\sh> hmmm
[06:45] <ajmitch> \sh: I was kind & added some comments to your package on revu :)
[06:46] <ajmitch> and I'll look at njam once I'm at home
[06:47] <\sh> ajmitch: njam i have to fix
[06:50] <ajmitch> \sh: the laptop channel can be irritating sometimes :)
[06:51] <\sh> grmpf why is amule with libgtkwx2.6 building and not on the buildds
[06:51] <\sh> ajmitch: nono...
[06:51] <Brunellus> hi there.  is there going to be an updated dcraw in breezy?
[06:51] <ajmitch> \sh: url for build log?
[06:52] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/amule/2.0.3-1ubuntu3/amule_2.0.3-1ubuntu3_20050821-1818-i386-failed.gz
[06:52] <\sh> because of build-deps
[06:52] <ajmitch> ah, that is a problem
[06:52] <\sh> but on my pbuilder it works
[06:52] <ajmitch> sure
[06:52] <\sh> well..I'm checking again
[06:53] <ajmitch> but libwxgtk2.6-0 must be uninstallable on the build for another reason
[07:17] <lathiat> mm gotta pay $250 in import taxes for my laptop
[07:17] <lathiat> yay
[07:17] <Burgundavia> lathiat, so did I
[07:17] <lathiat> think i can claim it back tho so that'l be ok
[07:17] <lathiat> just haugh to cough it up
[07:17] <lathiat> *have to
[07:18] <Burgundavia> lathiat, if it is a Canonical laptop, then you should be able to
[07:18] <lathiat> Burgundavia: yeh
[07:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:18] <Burgundavia> lathiat, jsut make sure you get a receit
[07:18] <jsgotangco> but if you have a problem with money
[07:18] <jsgotangco> inform cvd
[07:18] <jsgotangco> i paid 136 GBP on taxes
[07:19] <lathiat> which is
[07:19] <lathiat> $323 au
[07:19] <lathiat> yeh i'll be something similar
[07:19] <jsgotangco> a lot of money on my country
[07:19] <lathiat> find out tomorrow
[07:19] <lathiat> jsgotangco: yeh thats what i get per fortnight heh
[07:19] <jsgotangco> my laptop alone can buy a 2nd hand toyota over here
[07:20] <lathiat> heh
[07:20] <Burgundavia> so could mine
[07:20] <Burgundavia> but you might get a nicer car for the same amount where you two live
[07:20] <lathiat> i could get something ok
[07:21] <jsgotangco> i could get something better or even buy a brand new scooter
[07:22] <jsgotangco> ill got invited to speak in a local university next week so I will be able to show off my Breezy powered M2
[07:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:22] <lathiat> cool
[09:31] <siretart> morning
[09:31] <siretart> wh0ps.
[09:31] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[09:32] <siretart> there are quite some packages in universe needing a rebuild for new libcairo.. :)
[09:32] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[09:32] <siretart> and /me is offline at home, where my gnupg key is
[09:32] <siretart> dsl modem died..
[09:38] <ajmitch> yeah we'll get onto rebuilding them asap :)
[11:19] <kagou> hi
[11:20] <kagou> someone can tell me the exact version of gimp-ufraw in breezy ?
[11:21] <Mithrandir> gimp-ufraw |      0.4-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[11:21] <kagou> 0.4-1 normally, but in debian they have :0.4-1 and : 0.4+cvs20050818-1
[11:22] <kagou> Mithrandir, so we don't know wich cvs version is ufraw
[11:25] <kagou> if i look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/graphics/gimp-ufraw and i see that in the diff.gz the last modification is " feb 2005"
[11:27] <kagou> where or who do i contact/ask for this package update ? (sorry for my english i'm french)
[11:31] <siretart> kagou: you would have to ping elmo for that
[11:31] <kagou> thanks siretart
[11:33] <ajmitch> siretart: but we don't just break UVF for no reason :)
[11:33] <ajmitch> and I think elmo likes to hear a sync request from a MOTU (at least)
[11:34] <siretart> thats right
[11:35] <siretart> kagou: before requesting, why would you want the upgrade? you should give a rationale, preferably mentioning important and relevant bugreports and numbers
[11:35] <kagou> ok siretart
[11:39] <kagou> siretart, there is no bugreport for gimp-ufraw, in ubuntu, and two request (wishs, one for upgrade) in debian bugzilla. So it's not a dangerous paquet. But is last version in ubuntu (feb 2005) don't allow many users to use their camera.
[11:39] <kagou> i think that we can raisonably update this paqckage. am i wrong ?
[11:40] <kagou> siretart, or sync
[11:40] <ajmitch> we should ask smurfix..
[11:40] <ajmitch> as he's the debian maintainer :)
[11:42] <kagou> siretart, another thing, i don't understand why this package as not be sync in ubuntu
[11:43] <ajmitch> kagou: because breezy is frozen for new upstream versions
[11:43] <ajmitch> and we have to justify breaking the freeze
[11:45] <ajmitch> I see that the version you are requesting was only uploaded _very_ recently into unstable
[11:49] <kagou> ajmitch : ah ok ...
[11:49] <kagou> Reason to sync :
[11:49] <kagou> 1/ Many users want's that version ;)
[11:49] <kagou> 2/ package not dangerous
[11:51] <kagou> exemple, the CANON REBEL XT (also know as 350d) is a best seller. Many users have bought it, but it can not work in the futur breezy without the sync.
[11:51] <kagou> that's the same problem ith pentax *isdt and last nikon
[11:52] <ajmitch> right
[11:53] <ajmitch> if I see smurfix around, I'll ask his opinion, & then ask for a sync..
[11:53] <kagou> ajmitch, many thx :)
[11:54] <kagou> ajmitch, smurfix is on #ubuntu-devel ;)
[11:54] <ajmitch> yes, I know
[11:54] <kagou> lol
[01:29] <slomo> \sh: i'll have a look at gajim now... :) looks really interesting... are the icq/msn transports on jabberme stable? i'm currently using jabber.ccc.de and switched to gaim because of constantly crashing transports ;)
[01:30] <\sh> slomo: yes...
[01:31] <\sh> slomo: i'm running ejabberd as server and with the pyicq-t/pyaim-t/pymsn-t transports...proxy65 bytestream proxy...the rest is build in...so there's no yahoo transport, cause I didn't find any good, and easy solution for it
[01:31] <\sh> the actual yahoo transport is a bit tricky to build...when i have time, i will build a package for jabberd2/ejabberd
[01:33] <slomo> \sh: so you're running your own jabber server?
[01:34] <\sh> slomo: it's mine yes
[01:34] <\sh> jabberme.net/.org/.de sourcecode.de linux-server.org all available...
[01:35] <slomo> \sh: oh ok... is it public? and are the transports open for users of other servers? ;)
[01:35] <\sh> slomo: normally yes, do a service discover on jabberme.net (this is the server where the transports are running on)
[01:36] <slomo> \sh: fine, i'll test it later :)
[01:37] <\sh> slomo: i just started yesterday with enhancing gajim...to use URGENT window hint :) (thx to Mez for the tip)
[01:38] <slomo> \sh: :) can you include this as a patch in you package? ;) and does it set urgent only on new chats or every time when someone writes something?
[01:39] <slomo> hm, why don't you use dh_python for gajim?
[01:39] <\sh> slomo: i have to decide...first it has to work :)
[01:39] <slomo> \sh: ok... when you need help... i have nothing useful todo atm ;)
[01:40] <\sh> slomo: are u interessted in the ShtoomVoip Goal?
[01:40] <\sh> slomo: i checked latest shtoom (SVN HEAD) and it worked..but the GUI is more then a mess
[01:40] <slomo> \sh: W: gajim: extra-license-file usr/share/gajim/COPYING
[01:40] <siretart> .oO( me remembers, there are open reviews for dnspyhton and gaijm... )
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: and now with gajim hitting the archives in the next days i would like to cretae a client for both...shtoom and jabber to have everything in one client
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: pls write all the issues on REVU..so i can fix it later
[01:41] <slomo> siretart: while you're at it... can you also look at g-p-m and nemerle? ;)
[01:42] <siretart> slomo: sorry, I'm at work. cant do any reviews right now
[01:42] <slomo> siretart: no problem :)
[01:42] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'll do :) ok, you want to implement shtoom into gajim? hm, sounds interesting :)
[01:42] <\sh> slomo: actually I want to have IM and Voice in one client...
[01:43] <kagou> ajmitch, re hi, have you seen smurfix ?
[01:43] <\sh> slomo: because roster handling can be nicely integrated..
[01:43] <\sh> slomo: if i find a way to have a new xml xmpp item for SIP roster items...
[01:45] <slomo> ok... hm... /me looks at dnspython now ;)
[01:46] <\sh> slomo: and be aware...dnspython i will change from install-dep to suggest...cause gajim works as well without it...but doesn't comply with new xmpp 1.0 tls and dns srv lookup
[01:47] <slomo> hm, in that case i would leave it in Depends
[01:47] <Treenaks> Does anyone here know how to do strikethrough text on the wiki?
[01:47] <\sh> slomo: hmm...
[01:48] <\sh> slomo: ok..
[01:50] <\sh> new gnome-panel
[01:50] <\sh> lemme check on my other laptop if it's not crashing anymore
[01:51] <slomo> \sh: for me it isn't crashing anymore... and i updated 1 hour ago ;)
[01:51] <\sh> slomo: ok..then i can update my r200 now :)
[01:52] <siretart> \sh: new gnome-menus. no crashes for me since then (ok, thats 5min ;))
[01:53] <\sh> siretart: i will see in just a minute :)
[01:53] <slomo> uh... gajim has an option to SAVE the gpg passphrase...
[01:54] <\sh> slomo: psi as well
[01:54] <\sh> I have to check how to use gpg-agent
[01:54] <\sh> psi can do both
[01:55] <slomo> would be much better... the way it is now is just freaky ;) people who save their passphrase somewhere have to be shot ;)
[01:56] <slomo> btw... wasn't there a newer xmpp standard for encryption which doesn't use gpg?
[01:56] <\sh> yes
[01:56] <\sh> there r many
[01:56] <\sh> otr as in gaim
[01:56] <\sh> gpg as in psi
[01:56] <\sh> and there will be a new jep
[01:57] <slomo> hm... now only xchat crashed... =)
[01:57] <\sh> hehe
[01:59] <slomo> \sh: does gajim work with ssl for you?
[02:01] <\sh> slomo: yes
[02:02] <\sh> slomo: but
[02:02] <slomo> \sh: yeah i know... tls ;)
[02:02] <siretart> there is also gnome-keyring manager
[02:02] <\sh> slomo: and ssl+tls can't work together
[02:03] <\sh> slomo: and I saw the last time when I used pyxmpp that it has problems to deal with iit
[02:03] <Treenaks> uh.. TLS and SSL are _the same thing_ basically, almost :)
[02:03] <\sh> Treenaks: yes...but if u try to establish via ssl connection a tls handshake?
[02:04] <\sh> and for jabber: tls is going port 5222 as normal without tls...and ssl is using port 5223
[02:04] <\sh> and i think that's the problem
[02:04] <Treenaks> \sh: there are 2 ways to create an SSL XMPP (Jabber) connection
[02:04] <slomo> \sh: when using service discovery i can't find the icq transport on jabberme.org... only conference and irc
[02:04] <\sh> jabberme.net
[02:04] <Treenaks> \sh: 1 is "the old way", which is using a different port, and using SSL
[02:05] <Treenaks> \sh: the other is the "new way", which is using a "STARTTLS" like command
[02:05] <\sh> Treenaks: yes...but pyxmpp tries to handshake tls even over old ssl port
[02:05] <Treenaks> \sh: ooh, braindeadness
[02:05] <\sh> so u have a ssl connection already running...and the handshake tries to do it again :)
[02:05] <\sh> but this i have to debug/
[02:13] <mbreit> hi all
[02:13] <slomo> hi moritz :)
[02:51] <siretart> is it somehow possible to speed up evince? it is so dogslow for me :(
[02:52] <mbreit> siretart: i have that problem as well...
[02:53] <Mithrandir> siretart: get a faster computer. :-P
[02:53] <siretart> :P
[02:56] <siretart> gnarf. xpdf br0ken :(
[03:02] <siretart> wunderfulll. xpdf FTBFS :(
[03:14] <\sh> brb
[03:20] <\sh> re
[03:20] <mbreit> hi \sh
[03:23] <\sh> hmmm...
[03:23] <\sh> the bytestream proxies are hardcoded.
[03:32] <\sh> oh aim don't let me in
[03:43] <Yagisan> G'day All
[03:43] <slomo> hi Yagisan
[03:44] <Yagisan> Looking for 3 Advocates for deng, and deng-iwad-*.installer
[03:44] <Yagisan> :)
[03:45] <slomo> Yagisan: you'll get one this evening ;)
[03:45] <Yagisan> thanks slomo
[03:45] <Yagisan> before anyone asks, yes deng-iwad-*-installer are supposed to be native packages
[03:45] <Yagisan> I wrote them specfically for Debian
[03:45] <Yagisan> and Ubuntu
[03:46] <siretart> Yagisan: mmmh
[03:48] <slomo> siretart: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/transcode/2:1.0.0-0.4ubuntu1/
[03:48] <slomo> siretart: why was it only built for amd64?
[03:49] <siretart> slomo: because transcode is in dep-wait, and needs to be moved out by a buildd admin
[03:49] <Yagisan> siretart, re: native packages: it's a shell script, and a dependency for other packages - no use outside of debian and ubuntu
[03:49] <slomo> siretart: oh ok... did you already ping elmo for this?
[03:50] <siretart> Yagisan: I prefer seperating packaging and functional parts of packages. native package merge them, which I don't like
[03:50] <siretart> slomo: no buildd admin was available before, maybe you want to try again ;)
[03:51] <slomo> siretart: nope... i already asked elmo and lamont something else a few hours ago and got no answer ;)
[03:55] <Yagisan> siretart: Give one or two of the deng-iwad-*-installers a once over, if you are unhappy with it, I'll look into seeing how to merge it with deng.
[03:56] <siretart> Yagisan: I cannot review them atm, I'm at work. but if they are really just small shellscripts, I'd consider including them in /usr/share/doc/deng/examples
[04:00] <Yagisan> they are 4k, I need a postinst hook to make sure it is the right iwad and slot it in the right sopt, and a prerm hook to delete on purge. It also has a dependency that my repo uses as a hook to install even more data packages (that won't be sent to revu)
[04:00] <Yagisan> slomo: you might want to hold off advocating deng atm
[04:03] <siretart> i see
[04:05] <Yagisan> the deng-iwad-tnt-installer is a little different, it does everything the others do, and includes a patch wad to correct a known flaw with tnt.wad
[04:08] <siretart> ok, will have to take a closer look before guessing around ;)
[04:09] <Yagisan> no problems
[04:09] <Yagisan> Nafallo: ping
[04:10] <rbelem> hi all. i'm looking for advocates to muse-streamer ;-)
[04:11] <ivoks> hi
[04:12] <rbelem> hi ;-)
[04:12] <Yagisan> G'day
[04:13] <ivoks> lot's of new people :)
[04:17] <sedak> hello all
[04:17] <sedak> i'm also looking for people to advocate rtl8180-kernel
[04:18] <sedak> ... what's a native package ?
[04:18] <Yagisan> rbelem: Is muse-streamer supposed to be a native package ? (Usually not, but there are some exceptions)
[04:19] <Yagisan> sedak: A native package is one without an upstream .orig.tar.gz
[04:19] <sedak> ok
[04:19] <sedak> thanks
[04:20] <Yagisan> sedak: they are only supposed to be for packages created exclusively for debian/ubuntu where debian/ubuntu IS the upstream
[04:21] <rbelem> Yagisan, i just made some changes in name and removed some cvs dirs
[04:21] <Yagisan> theres no .diff.gz
[04:22] <Yagisan> rbelem: you'll be asked to repackage it using the orig.tar.gz
[04:24] <rbelem> Yagisan, replace the by the upstream?
[04:26] <rbelem> Yagisan, i didn't understand very well ;-)
[04:26] <Yagisan> rbelem: when you ran dpkg-buildpackage, it couldn't find your orig.tar.gz file (possibly because the names didn't match)
[04:26] <Yagisan> to fix it I think all you need to do is unpack your package
[04:27] <Yagisan> download the upstream tarball to the directory you have unpacked to
[04:28] <Yagisan> rename upstream tarball to muse-streamer.orig.tar.gz
[04:28] <Yagisan> and when you run dpkg-buildpackage again, you should get the orig.tar.gz, a .diff.gz, and a .dsc
[04:30] <rbelem> Yagisan, i already did it and used dpkg-buildpackge -S
[04:31] <Yagisan> rbelem, you fixed it ?
[04:31] <rbelem> Yagisan, yep ;-)
[04:32] <tseng> hm we got in what look like some nocona boxes
[04:33] <Yagisan> rbelem: then just do a new upload. it built on amd64, and no lintian errors for me
[04:34] <rbelem> Yagisan, oki ;-)
[04:35] <Yagisan> rbelem: sorry I can't advocate, I'm not a motu
[04:37] <rbelem> Yagisan, no problem... you helped a lot ;-)
[04:38] <Yagisan> rbelem: thanks, and your welcome
[04:43] <rbelem> Yagisan, no, i have to thank you ,-)
[04:48] <tseng> siretart: why would we backport security fixes?
[04:48] <tseng> siretart: there is a universe security
[04:50] <ivoks> hi tseng
[04:50] <tseng> hi
[04:50] <ivoks> am...
[04:51] <ivoks> are we aware that acpi-support is broken in many ways? :)
[04:58] <Yagisan> Good night All
[05:58] <kagou> hi
[05:59] <kagou> re ajmitch . have you could seen smurfix for gimp-ufraw ?
[06:16] <siretart> tseng: well, if you want to backport the issues, no problem. Since the backport fixes some other issues as well, it seems to me much more convinient for both maintainers and users
[07:11] <herzi> ogra: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1841/ please
[07:11] <herzi> i need this fixed to fix a bug in ruby-gnome2 but i cannot build ruby-gnome2 without libgtkglext1-dev
[07:12] <ogra> herzi, i saw it on #ubuntu-bugs already... we are in a big rebuild for the GLU x transition stuff...
[07:12] <ogra> it will take a while
[07:12] <herzi> okay
[07:12] <\sh> herzi: provide a debdiff and put it on the web and provide the link here
[07:13] <\sh> f*ck mozilla is a monster of sh*t
[07:13] <ogra> yes
[07:14] <herzi> wow, that's been fixed within the last 10 hours
[07:14] <\sh> it was all in the queue .. infinity had only to w8
[07:16] <herzi> can someone please close that bug mentioned above?
[07:17] <\sh> herzi: did libgtkglext1 build?
[07:27] <siretart> is Lorenzo Villani here?
[07:28] <siretart> does anyone know him?
[08:06] <Mez> tseng: ping
[08:12] <herve> hello
[08:13] <\sh> hey herve
[08:13] <herve> stephan!
[09:02] <tseng> Mez: hi
[09:04] <Mez> tseng: ruby should be fixed
[09:04] <tseng> Mez: awesome
[09:04] <Mez> interpreters/ruby1.8_1.8.2-9~hoary1: Installed by buildd+rothera [optional:uncompiled]
[09:31] <sedak> votes are not allowed on bugzilla.ubuntu ?
[09:31] <sedak> that would have been cool ...
[10:36] <Yagisan> G'day All
[10:42] <herve> hello
[10:46] <Yagisan> could anyone with with a powerpc system email me a build log for deng in revu to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:47] <Yagisan> Thanks
[11:19] <herve> nighta!
[11:32] <ajmitch> morning
[11:34] <\sh> oh damn
[11:34] <\sh> i wanted to go to bed long ago
[11:34] <ajmitch> heh
[11:34] <ajmitch> go sleep then
[11:37] <\sh> will do after this cigarette :)
[11:39] <\sh> hmm...i wonder if I get one of this sponsor journeys
[11:40] <Nafallo> ?
[11:40] <ajmitch> \sh: to montreal?
[11:40] <Mez> tseng: ping
[11:40] <ajmitch> you ought to
[11:40] <tseng> Mez: hi
[11:41] <Mez> tseng: you've been workign on mythtv?
[11:41] <tseng> Mez: yes
[11:41] <Mez> hmm
[11:41] <Mez> I cant get it to compile
[11:41] <Mez> and when I use whats in ubuntu
[11:41] <Mez> I just er..
[11:41] <Mez> get it saying it's been compiled without support for any video output
[11:41] <Mez> hehe
[11:42] <Mez> I think I may be able to fix that
[11:42] <Mez> It's just configure looking in the wrong places for things
[11:42] <Mez> I think
[11:43] <tseng> haha, i am at 75% on var on my main server
[11:43] <tseng> keeping a year worth of data in RRDtool for 200 devices
[11:43] <\sh> Mez: mythtv compiles on i386
[11:43] <Mez> tseng: is it not worth compiling with xrandr support?
[11:44] <ajmitch> here it's /var/cache/apt-proxy
[11:44] <tseng> Mez: beats me
[11:44] <ajmitch> time for lvextend, I think
[11:44] <Mez> \sh :D in a pbuild maybe
[11:44] <tseng> ajmitch: i clean that
[11:44] <tseng> ajmitch: keep 2 revisions
[11:44] <\sh> Mez: it's on the buildds
[11:44] <\sh> and compiled
[11:44] <Mez> \sh :P
[11:44] <tseng> i need to get apt-proxy at work
[11:44] <\sh> but not on amd64/ppc
[11:44] <ajmitch> tseng: I was keeping 5, for some reason
[11:44] <Mez> \sh yeah - but - I was gettgin gcc4errors caus ei have build-essential on my machine
[11:45] <\sh> Mez: u checked the gcc dependency?
[11:45] <Mez> I wanna see the build logss for it :D
[11:45] <Mez> \sh :P
[11:45] <tseng> Mez: thanks for rails
[11:45] <\sh> Mez: the old package defaults to gcc-3.3
[11:46] <Mez> tseng: no probs
[11:46] <\sh> Mez: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mythtv/0.18-2ubuntu2/mythtv_0.18-2ubuntu2_20050820-1441-i386-successful.gz
[11:46] <tseng> !!!!!!
[11:46] <Mez> already viewing
[11:46] <tseng> firefox wont start
[11:46] <tseng> you must be kidding
[11:46] <ajmitch> tseng: yeah, known issue I heard
[11:46] <\sh> hehe..for only under kde not
[11:46] <Mez> hmm
[11:47] <\sh> for me is it not starting on kde i mean
[11:47] <tseng> well F*#$ me
[11:47] <\sh> gnome is just fine
[11:47] <tseng> so much for doing anything
[11:47] <\sh> use mozilla or konqueror or epyphnie.
[11:47] <Mez> ff is working for me
[11:47] <\sh> yack...i sound like seb128 :)
[11:47] <Mez> unless something was updated
[11:48] <Mez> since this morning
[11:50] <\sh> gnight dudes...cu tomorrow
[11:50] <Mez> tseng: have you any idea why mythtv is broked for me?
[11:51] <Mez> tseng: is it broked for everyone?
[11:51] <tseng> no?
[11:51] <tseng> i dont even know what you are getting at
[11:52] <tseng> there are about 10000 ways to break mythtv
[11:52] <Mez> tseng: I cant get it to output any video AT ALL
[11:52] <tseng> i see
[11:52] <tseng> I can
[11:52] <Mez> damn caps
[11:52] <Mez> grr
[11:53] <Mez> It just says "not compiled with any output options2
[11:53] <Mez> or something
[11:53] <Mez> I can get it to show stuff on screen and whatnot
[11:53] <Mez> but nothing else
[11:58] <tseng> Mez: http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/RailsOnUbuntuDebianTestingAndUnstable :)
[11:58] <tseng> i thought id never see the day
[11:59] <tseng> nice work.
[11:59] <ajmitch> update the rest of the page
[11:59] <tseng> what about it?
[11:59] <Mez> hehe :D
[11:59] <ajmitch> unless it's still broken?
[11:59] <tseng> whats broken?
[11:59] <ajmitch> the bit about building ruby yourself on hoary
[11:59] <tseng> oh um
[12:00] <tseng> i changed that to warty i thought
[12:00] <tseng> i see
[12:01] <tseng> holy crap
[12:01] <tseng> these guys wrote a book
[12:01] <Mez> lol
[12:02] <tseng> man i am deleting like mad
[12:03] <Mez> ctrl+a, backspace


[01:22]  * Unit193 kicks pleia2 in the scrollback.
[01:23] <pleia2> :)
[02:23] <micahg> mr_pouit: I can take care of that
[02:23] <micahg> mr_pouit: err, I can take care of the meta upload if they fix the default settings package
[02:23] <micahg> astraljava: ^^
[04:37] <astraljava> micahg: ACK, I'll look into it tonight.
[07:26] <ochosi> mornin'
[07:28] <Unit193> I'll be seeing that soonish...
[07:47] <ochosi> meh, with the 4.10 ppa i'd have to compile all the dev-libs myself in order to be able to compile xfce components :/
[08:11] <mr_pouit> hello
[08:11] <mr_pouit> ochosi: what dev libs?
[08:13] <ochosi> mr_pouit: libexo-1-dev, libxfconf-0-dev and libxfce4ui-1-dev
[08:16] <mr_pouit> they are in the ppa
[08:16] <ochosi> weird
[08:17] <ochosi> ok, then i have to check again
[08:17] <ochosi> thanks
[08:26] <ochosi> mr_pouit: hehe, i still had _your_ ppa in the list...
[08:26] <ochosi> *facepalm*
[09:35] <koegs> what about this bug? will it be fixed anytime soon? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/992579
[12:11] <ochosi> koegs: i can't really confirm the bug. i'm using alt+f10 here to maximize windows and it works perfectly (i'm using xfce4.10 though from the ppa, but i remember this worked just as well before upgrading)
[12:12] <ochosi> knome: what're your thoughts on trying to get ubuntu-one support in thunar to be able to offer/promote that as a default backup solution?
[12:12] <koegs> ochosi: i am wondering, because this affects all fresh installed machines, either mit with or without xfce4.10
[12:12] <koegs> only the upgraded machine from 11.10 does not have that problem
[12:13] <ochosi> i did a fresh install here as well
[12:15] <koegs> ochosi: if i redefine it in the system-settings, it will work until a reboot
[12:15] <ochosi> yeah, that's odd, i haven't done that
[12:16] <laite> I have exactly one key-combination which always works until reboot (<Super>+section) - same problem with xfce 4.8 & 4.10, but only in ubuntu - with debian there was no problem
[12:17] <laite> I really know where to report this bug, since it seems that it has nothing to do with xfce itself
[12:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit: any thoughts on that? ^
[14:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: calendar looks a bit better now in greybird: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05242012-045643pm.php
[14:57] <ochosi> just haven't managed to figure out why the days belonging to the previous/next month aren't greyed out
[14:57] <bluesabre> nice
[17:26] <knome> ochosi, mixed feelings - but if it's not too much work, it might be worth it
[17:27] <ochosi> knome: you're referring to U1 now, right?
[17:27] <ochosi> (it has been a long and eventful day :) )
[17:27] <knome> yes, that's it
[17:28] <ochosi> righty
[17:28] <ochosi> yeah, i think something like that would enhance UX quite a bit
[17:28] <knome> madnick, we still need to write the specification, but i suppose it would be best to go with what we've done already (re: lightdm+plymouth)
[17:28] <ochosi> the only problem i see atm is that the U1 control panel was ported to qt :(
[17:28] <ochosi> but it's not necessarily needed i think
[17:29] <knome> heh
[17:29] <ochosi> should work in the browser as well
[17:29] <ochosi> but i have to investigate a bit more for that
[17:29] <knome> mm-hmm
[17:29] <ochosi> but i'd only do that if we really consider it generally
[17:31] <ochosi> bbl


[18:14] <sakrecoer> geirdal: hi!
[18:15] <sakrecoer> geirdal: if it is problematic to senfd the sourcefiles of the graphics, could you send us PNGs without the logos and pictograms sometime, please? :)
[19:42] <sakrecoer> ok, autumna kryten, lets bring this thing where it belongs: here :)
[19:42] <sakrecoer> krytarik, even
[19:43] <sakrecoer> autumna is suggesting that the first image in the feature tour is too jarring with the rest of the pages.
[19:44] <sakrecoer> i think the entire thing is jarring, but i'm open to try other things, more sober as autumna suggested.
[19:44] <sakrecoer> now that we have that thing it is easy to swap the images and have a look together (i presume)
[19:46] <sakrecoer> also, we should settle on the version of geridal s images we want to use... i picked the ones that appealed me the most in my sketch, but it might not be the ones everybody like the most...
[19:46] <sakrecoer> that was krytarik suggestion, and i agree (also *blush** for not really thinking about it)
[19:47] <sakrecoer> i guess at some point i decided that i had to make an arbitrary choice to get things moving again, ...or something :D
[19:48] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Yes, the first one kind of sticks out in relation to the other ones in the feature tour at least.  And regarding the latter ones, I'm particularly looking at the brightness of those.
[19:48] <sakrecoer> in my sketch i had mixed it with geirdals "first image" though..
[19:49] <sakrecoer> specifically this one: http://geirdal.is/images/studio/studio_07.png iirc
[19:50] <sakrecoer> so that it would match geirdal s way of mixing foto with digital deliciousness
[19:50] <sakrecoer> yes, it was that one: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/render.png
[19:51] <sakrecoer> although, not covering as much as geirdall does... perhaps we can develop this? i'm open for suggestions and trials :) but i want to see the results together with you guys
[19:51] <sakrecoer> that is, we can scrap my photos, i don't mind living the mandala school of thoughts :D
[19:53] <sakrecoer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_mandala#Ritual_destruction
[19:56] <autumna> *walks in
[19:57]  * autumna thinks
[19:58] <autumna> I think there are 2 issues here to address I am not sure how to address one of them.
[20:00] <sakrecoer> shoot for the one you know how to adress :)
[20:00] <autumna> 1) feature tour/discover vs support vs news is too separate from each other as design. it is one thing for front page to be different, but it is strange for a sub page to be different. It makes the site look like we are midway an update to the site, with some pages left in old format, some in new
[20:00] <autumna> that is the question I don't know how to address (yet!)
[20:00] <sakrecoer> images ;)
[20:00] <autumna> 2) front page, obviously needs more work. and among other things, the first image while looking great is not fantastic for readability as things stand. (plus with the logo etc its too many layers)
[20:01] <sakrecoer> how about the feature tour IS the frontpage?
[20:01] <sakrecoer> it would fit the scenarios in the wiki...
[20:01] <autumna> well the short version of the feature tour IS the front page
[20:01] <autumna> I kind of would hate to not have those software details
[20:01] <autumna> in the main site
[20:01] <sakrecoer> that is redundant, i thought it was temporary lazyness :D
[20:01] <autumna> but that's my personal opinion
[20:02] <sakrecoer> what is "the main site" ?
[20:02] <autumna> we could remove the formatting on the "discover" section, and keep it on the front page only?
[20:02] <autumna> main site: ubuntustudio.org
[20:02] <autumna> rather than the wiki
[20:03] <sakrecoer> yes, we should keep the software details on the site, for sure
[20:03] <sakrecoer> we could remove the "discover" section all together, and have all its content moved tp the frontpage...
[20:03] <autumna> we CAN keep the software details on front page. It does make the front page a big of a wall of text, but I mean... its not absolutely terrible
[20:03] <autumna> hahah
[20:03] <autumna> parallel typing
[20:03] <autumna> ;)
[20:05] <sakrecoer> i think its ok to have a long frontpage...
[20:05] <autumna> sakrecoer: one thing we would probably need if all is in one page
[20:05] <autumna> is one more background image
[20:05] <autumna> so it would be: Welcome and download
[20:05] <sakrecoer> good point!
[20:05] <autumna> About: what is ubuntustudio (basically the first blurb on discover)
[20:05] <autumna> then the sections
[20:06] <autumna> krytarik feel free to add in opinions
[20:07] <autumna> and geirdal and anybody else as well
[20:07] <krytarik> autumna: Yeah, I do follow you there.
[20:07] <sakrecoer> i think an "about" page becomes irrelevant id there is a feature tour, and i think a feature tour should be front-pgae :D
[20:07] <autumna> the main reason I split was lack of extra background image, and too long, I have no issues merging 2 together
[20:07] <sakrecoer> i don't see any "about" page atm...
[20:08] <autumna> there is 'discover"
[20:08] <sakrecoer> or you mean, you split frontpage and feature tour?
[20:08] <autumna> and about is the section
[20:08] <autumna> not the page
[20:08] <autumna> first row: welcome, download etc
[20:08] <autumna> underneath it with a second image: What is ubuntu studio, the blurb that currently sits on the discover page/feature tour
[20:09] <autumna> then 3rd 4th 5th rows, audio, graphics, video
[20:09] <autumna> ok
[20:09] <autumna> let me just merge the stuff into one big happy group
[20:09] <autumna> and hope that the plugin doesn't die on me
[20:09] <autumna> ;D
[20:09] <sakrecoer> \o/
[20:11] <sakrecoer> hmm... i havenÃ¤t looked enough at the front page... i thought it was far from done..
[20:11] <sakrecoer> now that i do, isee what you ment before...
[20:12] <sakrecoer> what if the short version of the workflow desciptions had a link "readmore" like the posts in top of frontpage, linking to the "discover-page" with an ID-anchor...
[20:12] <autumna> well that was my original plan
[20:13] <sakrecoer> so if you clikc on read more in graphics, you get to /feature-tour#graphics
[20:13] <sakrecoer> ok ok.. sorry :D
[20:13] <sakrecoer> hehe
[20:13] <autumna> ;)
[20:13] <autumna> which is why the front page has its short blurbs
[20:13] <sakrecoer> was staring myself blind on the discover page :D
[20:13] <autumna> but I want to try the one page approach
[20:13] <autumna> because it might eventually solve our problems
[20:14] <sakrecoer> ok :)
[20:14] <autumna> + it is a more complete looking page, so less work for us, AND well give me 5 minutes to create a new version of the home page that is merged
[20:14] <autumna> :P
[20:23] <autumna> *sighs* I really picked the wrong week to install development version of gimp
[20:25]  * autumna totally switches to krita
[20:27]  * sakrecoer zaps back to website channel on autumnaTV :D
[21:08] <autumna> sakrecoer, krytarik http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/home-alternate/
[21:10] <autumna> I think this actually works better. pretty much only thing missing in this case is a) not sure what the links are supposed to be b) not sure if we want to make a custom button style, -
[21:10] <autumna>  c) we might or might not need something on background of the first area. geirdal's image could be a solution there, or we could go crazy and put a background video *chuckles* whatever it is I would argue needs to be dark, and low contrast through so that it doesn't compete with the text there. leaving it blank is of course an option
[21:11] <autumna> (I'd say a gradient of geirdal's image darkened, could work well there, but that's my opinion)
[21:13] <geirdal> ok I will work on it autumna
[21:14] <autumna> oh awesome!!!
[21:14] <geirdal> ;)
[21:14] <autumna> geirdal what software do you use? krita or gimp?
[21:14] <geirdal> krita
[21:14] <sakrecoer> \o/
[21:15] <autumna> ok I'll upload to WP, the krita layered kra I created. It has sakrecoer's transparency gradient built in as a clipping mask
[21:15] <sakrecoer> i vote for a gradient on http://geirdal.is/images/studio/studio_07.png
[21:15] <sakrecoer> (without the icons)
[21:15] <geirdal> ofcourse
[21:16] <sakrecoer> background video would be AWESOMEMATIC!... just... long to produce...
[21:17] <geirdal> I like this one best http://geirdal.is/images/studio/studio_06.png
[21:17] <autumna> well one good thing about this occasionally buggy plugin is that we are not locked in to the design of the feature tour, its images etc
[21:17] <geirdal> withgout the icons
[21:17] <autumna> we can swap them as the site grows
[21:18] <autumna> geirdal if you could lower the saturation and contrast a bit I think that would work good.
[21:18] <autumna> great even.
[21:18] <geirdal> ok
[21:19] <sakrecoer> geirdal: that one is beautyfull too, but i find more aggresive somehow
[21:19] <autumna> sakrecoer where did you want us to upload the originals again?
[21:19]  * autumna forgot
[21:19] <sakrecoer> but yeah, if you tone it down like autumna says, that would maybe work better, lets try :)
[21:19] <sakrecoer> i haven't quite sorted that out... but i thought of a "content" folder in the ubuntustudio-website git branch...
[21:20] <sakrecoer> to put raw text from guest bloggers, feature tour, iamges etc..
[21:20] <autumna> ok how do I upload to that thing?
[21:20] <autumna> and url? :D
[21:20] <geirdal> hehe
[21:20]  * autumna is beyond lost *embarassed*
[21:22] <sakrecoer> autumna: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-website/ubuntustudio-website/+git/trunk
[21:23] <autumna> well... one way to sort this out...
[21:29] <zequence> sakrecoer: You should probably start a new branch for that. The git branch is for the website theme only
[21:31] <sakrecoer> zequence: ok, noted :)
[21:34] <autumna> zequence if you are around, could you remind me how to add username to the command?
[21:34] <autumna> I seem to have misplaced my notes, from the last time you explained :/
[21:37] <autumna> geirdal: in mean time, you can download the template from ubuntustudio.zequence.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/headertemplate.kra


[06:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:40] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:41] <zmoylan-pi> hope interview went well
[06:42] <brobostigon> o/
[06:42] <brobostigon> yes, it wasnt bad, i think i made the right impression.
[07:20] <Knight_Pi> ah  good to hear !
[07:20] <Knight_Pi> been thinking about how it went
[07:23] <brobostigon> :)
[09:59] <Knight_Wrk> been watching the BBS documentary series by Jason Scott , immensly interesting to see how all that used to work
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> used to.... they haven't gone away you know... :-)
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> for those that can't handle the frantic pace of irc :-D
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> rare server room problems... https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/8kzx5p/some_kind_of_explosive_lying_on_the_floor_of/
[11:00] <Knight_Wrk> watching halt and catch fire while being sshd into my pi at home via my ipad is kinda cool
[11:00] <Knight_Wrk> ah yes  tha bomb in the serverroom
[11:00] <Knight_Wrk> we have you the bomb
[11:00] <Knight_Wrk> all your base now belong to us
[12:44] <sebsebsebb> popey: ping
[12:44] <popey> sebsebsebb: pong!
[12:44] <popey> How are you?
[12:44] <sebsebsebb> popey: doing another event, was  wondering if could maybe get some ubuntu stuff again ?
[12:48] <sebsebseb> popey: not sure I can fill in the form etc,  plus its less than fofur weeks now
[12:48] <popey> What's up with filling the form in?
[12:49] <sebsebseb> popey: looks like  there's a part which loco are you, that is required to fill in
[12:49] <popey> so put uk :)
[12:50] <sebsebseb> popey: also  itless less than four weeks, but hopefully :)
[12:50] <popey> we review them every wednesday
[12:53] <sebsebseb> popey: right good so should be seen tommorwo then ?
[12:54] <popey> yeah, we review them in the afternoon.
[12:54] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah 9th june is coming up !
[12:54] <popey> :)
[12:55] <sebsebseb> popey: you any good at down graidng or  updating  UEFI hp bioses ?  seems that's the only way I will get Linux back on this lap top properly
[12:55] <popey> Oh dear. No. Not really. I avoid anything UEFI really.
[12:55] <sebsebseb> same here
[12:55] <sebsebseb> but
[12:55] <popey> I think daftykins is a bit of an expert there...
[12:55] <sebsebseb> after a new otherobard put in from their partner company
[12:55] <sebsebseb> I haevn't been able to put Linux back on
[12:56] <sebsebseb> Grub can comoe up on a USB stick or memtest but  then black screen on a kernel
[12:56] <sebsebseb> live session boot,  black screen. seems someone else had a similar issue  going by a google and down graded the bios
[12:56]  * sebsebseb but hey at least quassel for windows is working hmm
[12:59] <sebsebseb> popey: also usb's for ubuntu been totally dropped it seems?  yet  the form does mention having 12 usb's s  sent in one of the options still
[13:00] <popey> I think we still have some
[13:00] <sebsebseb> popey: yes I would like usb's sent,  we got 50 some how that other time,  even  if they are just standard usb's for some
[13:01] <sebsebseb> the two options are a bit eh,   and I don't see a bit to put proepr comments in even uh
[13:02] <sebsebseb> popey: we want to give out some ubuntu 18.04 usb's.  might get more people this time, since  well partly, since such a nice mention in linux format :)
[13:03] <popey> i dont think we have any 18.04 usb's
[13:03] <popey> always nice to get mentions in magazines :)
[13:05] <sebsebseb> popey: well we can burn our selves
[13:05] <popey> ok
[13:05] <sebsebseb> but yes having usb's sent would be great
[13:06] <sebsebseb> we don't have usbs
[13:06] <sebsebseb> he h I remember that 50 from before being blank, and had to burn our selve
[22:40] <daftykins> haha Talk Talk face yet more drama, wow you'd have to have nerves of steel to be with those folks
[22:42] <penguin42> what have they done now?
[22:43] <penguin42> oh wps screwup
[22:44] <daftykins> yeah, slightly less relevant i suppose since ISP-own routers are always going to be iffy
[22:45] <penguin42> wow, notified of it 4 years ago and done sod all
[22:46] <daftykins> :D
[22:47] <penguin42> daftykins: It kind of amazes me why; I mean having thousands of the same model, often just a rebrand from another large company, should make it really easy to roll out updates
[22:47] <diddledan> 4 years ago?!
[22:47] <diddledan> wow
[22:49] <daftykins> penguin42: i can only imagine there's some massive optional firmware updates price attached, as i've asked my ISP down here whether there are any updates to the Technicolor branded routers they tend to put out - only to be told nope - but then ISPs in England with the same models have newer versions at times
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> not as bad as the jimi hendrix eircom flamingo up... https://seeit.org/eircom/
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> free internet \o/
[22:51] <diddledan> "some clueless muppet"
[22:52] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: You have to admit that's a pretty random set of lyrics
[22:52] <daftykins> ah that was very common over here too with some earlier models
[22:53] <daftykins> oh ok not quite the lyric bit, but just the ability to deduce the key from the SSID :>
[22:54] <penguin42> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/29/32c3-beyond-your-cable-modem/  was a thing on German cable modems
[22:55] <daftykins> :D
[23:01] <diddledan> does anyone actually still remember what "CAPTCHA" was supposed to be an acronym of?
[23:04] <daftykins> of course!
[23:04] <daftykins> Completely Automated Public Test to tell Computers and Humans Apart
[23:04] <diddledan> you googled it!
[23:05]  * penguin42 didn't think he ever knew that
[23:05] <daftykins> nope just came back with a snack :)
[23:08] <daftykins> these microwaveable little oat bars that look a bit like flapjack are ace
[23:14] <daftykins> they come in packs of 2 for about £1.60 - Quaker Oats product
[23:16] <penguin42> hot oat bars?
[23:17] <daftykins> well it was once i heated it :>
[23:17] <penguin42> are they intended to be microwavable?
[23:17] <daftykins> yeah instructions on the pack and all, though the 10 seconds suggested is useless in my 800W
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> everything is microwaveable... if it's someone elses microwave... :-)
[23:18] <penguin42> hmm, is this the 'porridge to go' ?
[23:19] <daftykins> yeah sounds like the one
[23:21] <daftykins> Louis hides on twitch for his livestreams these days and then edits them down for youtube later :D www.twitch.tv/rossmanngroup
[23:23]  * penguin42 hasn't quite figured out what 'stand time' is for in microwaved foods, other than when they might explode
[23:23] <daftykins> heh yeah, i never do that but do open the door and let it vent out for a few moments before retrieving
[23:35] <penguin42> it's wise to do it for gloopy stuff
[23:35] <penguin42> just enough for anything to vent rather than explode when touched
[23:44] <daftykins> mmm
[23:44] <daftykins> weirdly that packet says not to heat longer than the 10s - what could oats do?
[23:46] <penguin42> daftykins: you know nuclear fusion....
[23:46] <daftykins> o0


[12:00] <zoopster> hey, hey all you ubuntu experts...ok the question isn't really ubuntu specific...but I have a request and I know the smart folks here can throw me a bone
[12:01] <zoopster> I have a cool new power meter and a slick little USB stick that can pull data from said meter.
[12:04] <zoopster> I want to take the data and put it into a readable format - JSON maybe?
[12:09] <zoopster> the stick is pumping out data via /dev/ttyACM0 and the data is formatted in a single line $UMSCM, 61643840, 7, 353080*59
[12:13] <zoopster> $UMSCM is a std consumption msg, 61643480 is my meter serial #, 7 is a meter type, 353080 is the actual register data,  * is the end of data, and 59 is a checksum
[12:14] <zoopster> let me know if someone can help with how to pull this info as it comes and spit it out so I can "monitor" usage.
[13:12] <zoopster> heh...cool...figured out how to read my serial port data using python and pySerial...nice. Now to figure out how to read the stream constantly and pick out what I need...
[13:12] <zoopster> just writing "out loud"
[17:41] <zoopster> damn quiet in here...I guess a lot were affected by the brighthouse failure earlier?
[17:44] <ropetin> Nope just busy
[17:44] <ropetin> Also, hello
[21:25] <mhall119> zoopster: I got hit by the brighouse outage
[21:37] <zoopster> mhall119: sure wish they would not upgrade core equipment during peak hours
[21:41] <jamalta> There was a brighthouse outage?
[21:41] <jamalta> zoopster: wow.. agreed.
[21:42] <zoopster> yea...they blamed a power outage then came clean that it was a software problem...which tells me that they upgraded some core routers and caused the failure
[21:43] <zoopster> it was a routing issue of some sort because I started getting all kinds of routing errors trying to track down why I could not get any DNS response
[21:43] <zoopster> and they started falling like dominoes...
[21:44] <zoopster> it affected EVERYTHING TCP/IP
[21:44] <zoopster> what's interesting is none of the DOCSIS functions were affected, but everything else was
[21:45] <zoopster> tells me they are still well behind in upgrading infrastructure....still living in the 19th century like most telcos
[23:48] <zoopster> quiet, quiet, quiet...anyone want to help me with python, pyserial and plucking data from a serial stream?


[16:30] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:30] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:30] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb  9 16:30:15 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:30] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:30] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:30] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:30] <tyhicks> We have created a new role in our rotation schedule. "Triage" has been split into "CVE Triage" and "Bug Triage".
[16:30] <tyhicks> Gianfranco Costamagna (LocutusOfBorg) provided debdiffs for precise-utopic for virtualbox (LP: #1413603)
[16:30] <tyhicks> Otto Kekaelaeinen (otto) provided debdiffs for trusty and utopic for mariadb-5.5 (LP: #1414755)
[16:30] <tyhicks> Thomas Ward (teward) provided a debdiff for utopic for wireshark (LP: #1418211)
[16:31] <tyhicks> Joe Damato (ice799) provided a debdiff for precise for libfcgi (LP: #1418778)
[16:31] <tyhicks> Those four contributions are very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:31] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:31] <jdstrand> indeed-- lots of contributions. awesome! :)
[16:31] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:31] <tyhicks> yes, great contributions! :)
[16:33] <jdstrand> this week I plan to work on helping define snappy hardware access
[16:33] <jdstrand> and also picking up a bit on snappy fingerprint
[16:33] <jdstrand> I'll also be working on an embargoed issue
[16:34] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm working on updates, as usual...ntp is going out today, and I have krb5 to test
[16:35] <mdeslaur> that's it, sbeattie, you're up
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm jumping back in to the rotation, and am on Community this week.
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm testing my binutils update (finally!) and will release that today.
[16:36] <sbeattie> After that, I'll jump back on gcc-pie-for-amd64.
[16:37] <sbeattie> That's it for me; tyhicks, you're up.
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'm jumping back in the rotation, as well
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'm in the new bug triage role this week
[16:38] <tyhicks> I need to fix some tools and close out a lot of invalid bug tasks
[16:38] <tyhicks> I've finalized v4 of the dbus-daemon AppArmor mediation patch set and need to finish testing it and then attach the patches to the upstream bug
[16:39] <tyhicks> I still haven't gotten to proposing v2 of the libapparmor API changes but need to do that ASAP
[16:39] <tyhicks> I should be able to start on that this afternoon
[16:40] <tyhicks> the patch update was put on the backburner last week since upstream drastically changed their fix for one of the CVEs
[16:40] <tyhicks> it looks like their tree has settled down and that I should go back to fixing those issues in patch
[16:40] <tyhicks> that's probably all that I'll get to this week
[16:40] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:43] <jjohansen> So it seems I have most of the stack from last week and a few more items as well. There is an apparmor meeting this week, with some discussion needed around the kernel interface context (mode values), the is any v2 libapparmor aa_features API discussion an review that hits, Casey's LSM stacking patch
[16:44] <jjohansen> I still need to work on the second revision of the deleted socket mediation bug
[16:44] <jjohansen> and of course continue with the kernel code cleanup
[16:45] <jjohansen> I think that is it from me, sarnold you're up
[16:47] <sarnold> I'm on CVE triage this week; I'm hoping to return to the horizon update and finally make forward progress there again, as well as get the hang of the serverstack cloud for testing openstack updates. there's also a backlog of MIRs outstanding, I may get to those during testing runs, if the testing runs happen :)
[16:47] <sarnold> that's it for me, looks like no chris, tyhicks?
[16:48] <jdstrand> I think chrisccoulson is here
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:48] <jdstrand> hi! :)
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> This week, I'll be getting a new oxide release out and continuing with stuff in https://launchpad.net/oxide/+milestone/branch-1.6
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> And that's about it :)
[16:49] <sarnold> sorry chrisccoulson, not sure how my tab key and I failed :)
[16:51] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:51] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:51] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/virtualbox-guest-additions-iso.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rc.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfpdi-php.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libapache-poi-java.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cabextract.html
[16:52] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:52] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:54] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:54] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb  9 16:54:40 2015 UTC.
[16:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-09-16.30.moin.txt
[16:54] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[16:54] <jjohansen> thank tyhicks
[16:54] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks! :)
[16:54] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:55] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!


[06:25] <yoymi> hi
[06:25] <yoymi> pls this chanel in spamish?
[06:41] <yoymi> :)
[14:01] <mrjazzcat> join #ARMServer
[15:36] <mrgenixus> !! moo?
[16:55] <FunnyLookinHat> MOO!
[16:55] <FunnyLookinHat> What up mrgenixus
[16:55] <mrgenixus> not a ton
[16:55] <mrgenixus> just trying to do a linux install FROM the disk I'm installing to: http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html
[16:55] <mrgenixus> some of the details are a little fuzzy
[17:14] <FunnyLookinHat> oh interesting
[17:15] <FunnyLookinHat> It's always been easier for me to just create bootable flash drives...  :)
[17:21] <mrgenixus> I don't really have a flash-drive at the moment
[17:27] <mrgenixus> Gonna try my Compact Flash card