[00:12] <arooni> anyway to find out why f2 is binding to mute on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[00:26] <conr> How do you boot a mount from grub command line?
[00:31] <guiverc> conr, i can only be vague (haven't done it in ages), but set root=(hdx,y) ; linux /boot...; initrd /boot...; boot  though if non-linux you can use chainloader..
[00:31] <guiverc> (simpler commands to what you see in grub.cfg anyway)
[00:32] <conr> guiverc: I'm half way there.
[00:33] <conr> Problem is I don't know what my initrd.img version is
[00:33] <conr> $ ls /boot
[00:33] <arooni> is this the way to fix gnome shell freezing up on 18.04?
[00:33] <arooni>         gnome-shell --replace
[00:33] <guiverc> on most machines; there is a link to initrd (& vmlinuz) so you don't need to remember the latest...
[00:33] <conr> shows me a lot of .old-dkms
[00:36] <RoadRunner> any advice for a good ebook reader?
[00:36] <granttrec> RoadRunner: for simplicty currently calibre sadly
[00:36] <guiverc> conr, have a look in / ; my latest (& prior) initrd.img & vmlinuz have links there (ubuntu 18.10 for me)
[00:37] <RoadRunner> granttrec: what thoughts on Bookworm or Buka?
[00:39] <granttrec> RoadRunner: both kind of buggy last time I tried, if you are just reading novels should be ok, one of them has a lot of deps tho I dont remeber which, you also might have to manually install
[00:40] <granttrec> I am also not hating on calibre based on how it looks since that is easly changed I just wanted an ebook viewer only
[00:41] <Bashing-om> conr: What is your partitioning ( MBR, GPT ) and do you know your partitioning layout ?
[00:41] <conr> Bashing-om: GPT
[00:42] <conr> I had 16.04 for years and was playing around with katoolin and accidently installed Kali
[00:43] <conr> https://github.com/LionSec/katoolin
[00:46] <RoadRunner> granttrec: so what's the problem with calibre?
[00:46] <Bashing-om> conr: do youu know which partition the ubuntu root directory is installed to ? or do we have to hunt for it ? .
[00:47] <conr> I'm pretty sure it's on (hd0,2)
[00:48] <granttrec> RoadRunner: nothing it just too much when a want an e-book viewer only
[00:48] <Kurt-xubuntu> hello i have a Aspire 7750G with 16gb of ram its intel I7 2.20ghz with the silly dual intel video cards but i currently have the second video card turned off in the bios running ubuntu 16.04 lts dual boot with win 7 under ubuntu it keeps locking up solid tried all the keyboard commands to bring up a terminal tried "reisub" to force a reboot and hopefuly generate some error in the logs in so doing nothing works exept holding
[00:48] <Kurt-xubuntu> down the power button and then when booted back up there are no errors in the logs to go by
[00:49] <Kurt-xubuntu> tried running the intel video driver update tool for 16.04 did not help
[00:50] <Kurt-xubuntu> ran memtest86 all the way through one pass
[00:50] <Kurt-xubuntu> no errors
[00:50] <RoadRunner> granttrec: besides format convertions, what other features are there in calibre (or what features do you consider bulky and extra)?
[00:51] <granttrec> RoadRunner: it is basically a personally database for orgransing all books, isbns and all, which I dont care about, just rather have my stuff as files
[00:53] <RoadRunner> granttrec: what are isbns? and aren
[00:54] <RoadRunner> aren't individual ebooks kept as distinct files in it?
[00:55] <granttrec> RoadRunner: just load it up and see for yourself :)
[00:55] <RoadRunner> granttrec: will do, just wondering if the other two apps are worthy of the same test :)
[00:55] <Bashing-om> conr: try then as ' set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub ; set root=(hd0,gpt2) ; insmod normal ; normal ; insmod linux ; linux /boot/vmlinuz<hit tab to complete the newest kernel> root=/dev/sda2 ro ; initrd /boot/init<tab again for matching vmlinuz image> ; boot .
[00:56] <granttrec> RoadRunner: i'd say no
[00:56] <RoadRunner> granttrec: thank you :)
[00:56] <granttrec> np
[01:02] <conr> Bashing-om: No dice. Just goes to busy-box cmd line
[01:02] <conr> and still says Kali
[01:03] <conr> What should my /etc/lsb-release say?
[01:03] <cjoseph> does anyone know where the skl_uncore driver comes from? I tried to search for that in the menuconfig of the kernel I'm running but it was not there
[01:04] <cjoseph> I'm running into a graphic issue in compiling an alternative kernel, and the difference seems to be that in the working kernel skl_uncore is in use for the skylake host bridge, and in the broken version the skylake hostbridge has no kernel driver in use
[01:05] <cjoseph> I figured it would be a simple matter of enabling a new menuconfig option and recompiling, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what enables it
[01:10] <guiverc> Question: message on updates "W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=UUID=be5f.." which is because of /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume; would folks recommend change the UUID in that file?, changing another file? or just remove file? or just continue to ignore?
[01:11] <Bashing-om> conr: then I suppose that sda2 is the kali install . From the grub prompt what shows ' ls ' ? we see if we can find a ubuntu partition.
[01:13] <conr> Bashing-om: (hd0) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2), (hd0,gpt1), (hd1) (hd1,gpt9) (hd1,gpt1) (hd2) hd2,gpt9) (hd2,gpt1)
[01:14] <Bashing-om> conr: and which drive is ubuntu installed to ?
[01:14] <conr> Bashing-om: Like efi/ubuntu ?
[01:17] <Bashing-om> conr: No, ubuntu will be on a partition .. like say (hd0,gpt3) .or maybe (hd1,gpt1) ? .. or we can continue the hunt to try and identify where ubuntu is installed to . - we got to tell grub what to do .
[01:17] <nexus6> What does LD in LD_LIBRARY_PATH stand for?
[01:18] <conr> Bashing-om: So I $ ls all of them and only two are readable
[01:19] <guiverc> nexus6, i could be wrong, but maybe List.of.Directories to search... (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html)
[01:19] <wespi> ola
[01:20] <wespi> hi
[01:20] <wespi> guys
[01:20] <nexus6> guiverc: Thanks.
[01:21] <wespi> how to install ubuntu store on mate and possible ?
[01:21] <Bashing-om> conr: I have to wonder with GPT partitioning what happened to the partitions on 2 drives between the 1st and the 9th partitions . I would expect all partitions to be listed in order .
[01:24] <guiverc> wespi, i can't find the package, but you could always use synaptic
[01:25] <conr> Bashing-om: I'm thinking of just making a Ubuntu boot disk and installing over that driv
[01:25] <conr> The only think i'm worried about is a 2TB raid partition mounted on another
[01:27] <Bashing-om> conr: raid adds a level of complexity that I am not equiped to cope with in this instance .
[01:28] <conr> Bashing-om: Can you help with this
[01:28] <conr> https://github.com/LionSec/katoolin
[01:28] <conr> oops i mean this https://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error
[01:29] <Bashing-om> conr: well, if it is nvidia graphics I do a some experience there .
[01:30] <monty86> anyone use ubuntu with vmware and a piv cac smartcard?
[01:45] <conr> Bashing-om: If I have a intel corporation 4th generation core processor family integrated graphics controller [8086:041e] (rev 06), is that too old for Xenial?
[01:47] <ar1l> hai
[01:49] <Bashing-om> conr: No, not too old .. but my experience is limited with Intel . I do not know how strong of a chip set you have .
[01:53] <conr> Bashing-om: Is there anyway to remove all system folders on the (hd0,gpt2) and copy fresh ones from a USB?
[01:57] <Bashing-om> conr: sure while one can .. is a great way to break the system . ALL files would have to be compatible - updated libs in the install .. hard row to hoe and chasing down config files ..oH Boy ! Got to be a better way .
[01:58] <conr> Bashing-om: I would just clean install the whole system but I have that 4TB Raid mount
[02:00] <Bashing-om> conr: At this point .. If I were considering moving system files .. I would in fact mount the partitions, pull off my data and do a clean install !
[02:01] <conr> Bashing-om: Yeah, I just don't have another 4TBs of backup to use
[02:03] <Bashing-om> conr: The operating system(s) on seperate drives ? then why not dis-connect the raid drives to protect that data .. and clean install a new server . ( desktop does not have the raid tools installed by default)
[02:05] <conr> Yeah just not to confortable with using zfs
[02:06] <conr> Someone helped me setup with zfs
[02:06] <Bashing-om> conr: Me Neither ! Have yet to even look at zfs .
[02:12] <conr> I'll ask someone from zfslinux. Thanks!
[02:13] <Bashing-om> conr: Sorry not to have been of any help :(
[02:18] <easyOnMe> i tried downloading and installing filezilla using the software updater
[02:18] <easyOnMe> after it installed filezilla it shutsdown after each time I clicked on a directory
[02:18] <easyOnMe> can anyone please help
[02:34] <guiverc> easyOnMe, maybe run it from a terminal; you may get some messages that will help you to detect the problem
[02:34] <easyOnMe> guiverc: like how
[02:34] <easyOnMe> can you show me an example using the terminal command
[02:35] <easyOnMe> cause I just uninstalled filezilla
[02:35] <easyOnMe> because it was such a futile exercise to use it
[02:36] <guiverc> easyOnMe, i don't use filezilla, but I'd ctrl+alt+t to open a term, then file<tab><tab> to expand the list to whatever commands start with file, then look for something like filezilla (filez<tab> may be all you have to type), then enter
[02:36] <easyOnMe> guiverc: I see
[02:48] <guiverc> message on updates "W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=UUID=be5f.." which is because of /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume; would folks recommend change the UUID in that file?, changing another file? or just remove file? or just continue to ignore?
[02:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My notes " RESUME=UUID=xxxxxxxx" change to RESUME=/dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx" .
[02:52] <guiverc> i don't know when, but the UUID of my swap is different (must have been reformatted; and I only changed /etc/fstab)
[02:53] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Huh ! .. resizing swap will also give it a new UUID .
[02:55] <guiverc> sorry Bashing-om, my thoughts are always 'a-jumble'  (don't have a brain injury!)  would you recommend changing UUID in that file?  remove? or??
[02:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Got a bitt of experience here .. what shows in the /etc/uswsusp.conf file ?
[02:58] <guiverc> no file exists
[03:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Think that only says not encrypted :)
[03:07] <Bashing-om> do these look sane ' sudo blkid | grep swap ; ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/<^^ that UUID> ' .
[03:08] <guiverc> yep.
[03:09] <guiverc> hold on... i made an err
[03:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Moving on along ' ls /dev/mapper ' returns " control" ?
[03:10] <guiverc> yep (all fine, I compared partuuid & uuid - my err)
[03:10] <guiverc> yep
[03:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: trying to resume ? does this file exist " /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume " ?
[03:13] <guiverc> yep: file = ascii text
[03:13] <eraserpencil> I have trouble adding .img.xz files to MultiBoot USBs through MultiSystem?
[03:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: and the file has " RESUME=UUID=xxxxxxxx " where we want to change to " RESUME=/dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx " ??
[03:15] <eraserpencil> MultiSystem asks to add an .img, but they spring up an error stating it is not an .iso
[03:16] <BDSM_Porn> so horny
[03:16] <BDSM_Porn> must have more porn
[03:17] <guiverc> Bashing-om, it contains the wrong (I assume old) uuid
[03:19] <guiverc> i have no idea what creates that file, editing & correcting that file was my question (or other)
[03:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have never known blkid to lie .. I would make the UUID as per what the system reports from blkid output .
[03:20] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om - that's what I wanted to do anyway... thanks for confirming!!
[03:20] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Let's get out of the woods before doing the feel good dance :P
[03:28] <guiverc> i'm happy Bashing-om ; whilst I don't know what command generates the warning that led to my question; update-initramfs doesn't (it was what i tested thinking it may be what threw it; but I don't know)... thanks !!
[03:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: What are friends for :P
[03:31] <guiverc> :)
[03:34] <takeme> i can’t open terminal after update, what’s wrong?
[03:35] <guiverc> takeme, how did you try to open a terminal?  ctrl+alt+t or via menu?
[03:35] <takeme> click terminal picture
[03:36] <takeme> i think that this is related with https://askubuntu.com/questions/613582/terminal-wont-launch-after-upgrading
[03:36] <takeme> guiverc: ?
[03:37] <guiverc> takeme, i don't know, but if you'd have removed the app during this session, it's menu may still be there (in cache) but the program behind it is gone.  i'd suggest trying ctrl+alt+t to see if that works, other wise type 'term' in menu & see what other options you have?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> takeme: can we have a bit more details? ubuntu version? terminal version?
[03:43] <takeme> lotuspsychje: it is kali that is son of ubuntu
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> takeme: we dont support kali here
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> !kali | takeme
[03:43] <takeme> :(
[03:48] <takeme> lotuspsychje: it is ubuntu really heh
[03:48] <takeme> :)
[03:48] <takeme> it is joking only
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> takeme: derivatives have seperate channels for a reason, use them?
[03:50] <takeme> i use ubuntu ;)
[03:50] <takeme> it is joking
[03:50] <guiverc> takeme, kali is not Ubuntu, nor an official flavor or Ubuntu.  It's also not built from Ubuntu, but debian.  Please stay on-topic (Ubuntu Support questions only!)
[03:51] <takeme> i use ubuntu only
[03:51] <takeme> heh ;)
[03:51] <takeme> ubuntu is best
[03:51] <takeme> help me
[03:54] <jack> I can't find my SD Card reader on Ubuntu 18.04
[03:54] <JFox762> I can't find my SD Card reader on Ubuntu 18.04
[03:55] <takeme> JFox762: what you mean?
[03:55] <takeme> sd card reader is not device?
[03:55] <JFox762> So many things since my upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 have broken on the update process.... Bluetooth doesn't work... and now SD Cards don't work either
[03:56] <JFox762> I plug in an SD card, and nothing shows up
[03:56] <takeme> JFox762: how about installing 18.04 directly?
[03:56] <JFox762> How did I install it incorrectly?
[03:57] <takeme> you use ubuntu directly
[03:57] <takeme> ?
[03:57] <takeme> instead of using virtual machine?
[03:57] <JFox762> no virtual machine
[03:57] <JFox762> bare metal
[03:57] <takeme> ah great
[03:57] <takeme> i want to use it like you
[03:58] <takeme> but i have only one computer
[03:58] <takeme> so i can't
[03:58] <JFox762> I only use VMs for testing purposes since I can never figure out how to get VMs to function with decent performance
[03:58] <JFox762> The Performance on VMs is *ALWAYS* horrid
[03:58] <JFox762> well compared to bare metal...
[03:59] <takeme> and vmware size will grow only
[03:59] <JFox762> so I only ever use VM linux installs for nothing more than checking out other linux distros
[03:59] <JFox762> So I can'
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> guys, keep it ontopic plz
[03:59] <JFox762> So I can't figure out how to get my Linux to recognize my SD card
[03:59] <takeme> nevertheless i delete file, vmware size don’t shrink
[03:59] <takeme> ah
[04:00] <takeme> usb connector is normal?
[04:01] <guiverc> JFox762, I have almost no experience with sdcards; but i use `lsusb` to list usb devices (where I plug in camera or sd-cards from camera via dongle) to ensure it's recognized; `blkid` to get details of my sd card, then `mount` it  (none via gui, which is why I didn't respond)
[04:01] <JFox762> I have a Lenovo T430s, and it has worked perfectly before... Bluetooth worked perfectly fine on 17.10... and so did SD Card reader
[04:01] <JFox762> blkid has No output
[04:02] <takeme> JFox762: how about installing 18 instead of upgrading? JFox762 ?
[04:02] <JFox762> I just typed it and it merely returned to prompt with nothing in between (which implies a list of zero)
[04:02] <JFox762> Takeme, that is exactly what I did... sorry
[04:02] <JFox762> sorry I wasn't more specific :)
[04:02] <JFox762> I did a clean reeinstall
[04:02] <takeme> upgrading ubuntu have problem
[04:02] <edenc> I see all kinds of different recommendations, what's a decent partitioning for ubuntu 18, just / and /home sufficient?
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> edenc: setup simulates a partitioning automaticly for you, if you want
[04:04] <guiverc> edenc, sounds good to me.   everyone's needs/requirements differ, which is why there are so many recommendations...
[04:04] <edenc> lotuspsychje: simulates? In my case its unallocated space on a secondary drive
[04:05] <edenc> guiverc, okay and I believe apt installs under / not home, so I could probably get away with large / and small /home? like say 200GB and 30GB for instance
[04:07] <guiverc> edenc, yes programs, libs etc install to /, but you don't need 200gb, a 32-40gb should be fine in my opinion, save the space for your data (/home)
[04:08] <JFox762> brb
[04:08] <JFox762> trying something
[04:08] <edenc> how about suggestions for say a /var, couldn't I always just create that folder in /, is there some benefit to partitioning it?
[04:10] <guiverc> is this a server? (with what purpose?) or a desktop you are talking about edenc ?
[04:10] <edenc> desktop, development mostly.
[04:11] <edenc> I think I'll go maybe 100/100 / and home, that's sufficient :').... so technically those 2 mount points are required?
[04:11] <JFox762> hi
[04:11] <JFox762> I fixed it!
[04:11] <guiverc> I'd not bother with /var; (if it doesn't have a partition, it'll use /'s space), ie. don't give it its own partition...  (note I don't know your development tools so your specific needs may be different to what i've used/experienced)
[04:12] <JFox762> https://www.fosslinux.com/1985/fix-sd-card-reader-not-working-after-ubuntu-16-04-upgrade.htm
[04:12] <edenc> so /boot and SWAP are simply not needed is my understanding, defaults to swap file, and why do some suggest /boot
[04:12] <JFox762> ^ That is the solution I used to fix the issue. Worked perfectly :D
[04:13] <guiverc> edenc, at times /boot partition can be real handy; at other times it's a [royal] pain... - your usage will dictate...
[04:14] <edenc> its a dual boot too, but I imagine that doesn't effect much
[04:15] <JFox762> Anyone know what the best software to use to Flash an SD Card with a Raspberry Pi?
[04:15] <JFox762> Flash it with Raspbian that is?\
[04:16] <guiverc> JFox762, only Ubuntu is supported in this channel with regards Raspberry Pi, or in fact any architecture; though I've never seen a s390 question here.. but I wait for it :)
[04:20] <guiverc> edenc, dual boot - is the other distro a *nix??  or a doze? ; if a *nix, they can share the swap space (if partition), which means you don't have two OSes making swapfiles...
[04:27] <Bashing-om> edmz: Partitioning and drive usage is totally use case dependent. I have 6 drives and presently 2 online, as a reference : http://termbin.com/1cab .
[04:29] <XLV> anyone knows of any guide on how to add a newer kernel than default to the ubuntu 18.04 install media?
[04:31] <Bashing-om> !mainline | XLV Here ? ::
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> XLV: whats the reason? something doesnt work well?
[04:31] <XLV> lotuspsychje, yes
[04:31] <XLV> lotuspsychje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639?comments=all
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> XLV: bionic has 4.15 kernel
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[04:33] <XLV> lotuspsychje, well i wanna try a newer one, since i have tried it with the kernel it comes with on an atom n270 netbook using the alt install media and it exhibits the problem described
[04:34] <XLV> last message on that link "However, it is not present in kernel 4.16.16 and it is also not present in kernel 4.17.2."
[04:35] <XLV> or perhaps i can try the alt install without the ubuntu desktop, add the newer kernel and install ubuntu desktop afterwards
[04:59] <gartral> hey all, I got a problem with a laptop here, the issue is that the window manager isn't responding to mouse clicks or, the mouse is clicking "through" to either the desktop or a lower window, firefox, chrome, terminals and the filemanager are all exibiting this
[05:00] <gartral> i'm at a loss here, I don't even know how to phrase the issue into something google would understand and find a relevent result too
[05:03] <guiverc> gartral, what version of Ubuntu?, and what window manager?
[05:05] <gartral> guiverc: ubuntu 18.04 lightdm with xfce
[05:10] <guiverc> thinking of causes... you aren't using a strange theme are you? (i've had strange responses when I try unusual ones, eg. ones for gnome2/lxde/ or a non-xfce build)
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> gartral: have you tryed to restart lightdm yet?
[05:15] <gartral> lotuspsychje: many times, happens on a fresh install as well
[05:16] <guiverc> gartral, i see nothing useful in settings; and nothing in a couple of searches. did you verify the download  (iso checksum?)
[05:16] <gartral> guiverc: yes I have
[05:17] <gartral> I beleive the issue is with the i915 display driver, this is an *old* laptop
[05:22] <guiverc> you said Ubuntu 18.04 with xfce; do you have gdm3 installed (my system uses it; it's ubu with xfce de added) - ie. try a different dm  (a thought)
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> gartral: and old hardware= try lubuntu?
[05:29] <anli> I am trying to debootstrap so I can use the newest versions of packages, trying debootstrap --no-check-certificate --components=main,universe bionic-proposed myfolder, but bionic-proposed is not recognized
[05:29] <anli> What is the correct syntax?
[05:30] <ghostnik11> hi i am trying to erase a 32gb micro sd card but the thing is when i try to delete stuff from it, it gives me error, as if i can't delete anything from it. so i want to try and erase it, all and have it just be a blank 32gb micro sd card. do i use the dd command to earase it?
[05:33] <gartral> lotuspsychje: that's basically what i've done
[05:39] <m4tProBZ> d
[05:41] <Spookan> ghostnik11: Use Gparted and format it.
[05:42] <XLV> anli, try bionic without the proposed
[05:43] <kurt-xubuntu> i second using gparted sudo apt-get install gparted it is not installed by default in ubuntu anymore
[05:44] <kurt-xubuntu> format it fat32
[05:44] <ghostnik11> Spookan, okay will do that now
[05:45] <kurt-xubuntu> be careful don't acedently format your primary drive lol
[05:45] <qwebirc87659> hey, how do i open a EXE file? im new to ubuntu and just downloaded mint cinnamon
[05:46] <anli> XLV: got a too old version of libpangocairo-1.0-0
[05:46] <qwebirc87659> ill pay 10 bux or so on paypal if someone can help me, been at it for 3 hours lol
[05:46] <XLV> anli, some info here http://ubuntu-on-big-iron.blogspot.com/2018/02/howto-use-proposed.html on how to add -proposed to apt sources
[05:46] <kurt-xubuntu> lol exe files are for windows
[05:46] <qwebirc87659> wanna do a remote access? i have no clue what im doing
[05:47] <anli> XLV: if I can add a switch to debootstrap so I do not have to edit the apt.sources, that would be great
[05:47] <qwebirc87659> how do i re-install my windows
[05:47] <kurt-xubuntu> look in your distros verson of software center for software
[05:47] <kurt-xubuntu> lol
[05:47] <ghostnik11> Spookan, has this ever happened to you, so i choose gparted from the ubuntu menu and put in my password and then it doesn't appear, do i need to update it b/c i could have sworn that the terminal told me it was installed
[05:47] <qwebirc87659> can u help me kurt
[05:48] <anli> How do I reinstall my microwave oven
[05:48] <kurt-xubuntu> google how to boot into the restore partition for your computer and pray its still there
[05:48] <anli> :)
[05:49] <qwebirc87659> i plain on just reloading my OS anyways
[05:49] <Spookan> qwebirc87659: Install wine and open it with that.
[05:49] <qwebirc87659> i cant find it, it doesnt exhist
[05:49] <kurt-xubuntu> or if you had windows 10 on it just find another windows computer and download a .iso from microsoft and burn it to disk
[05:50] <Spookan> ghostnik11: What does sudo apt-get install gparted say?
[05:50] <qwebirc87659> oh ok
[05:50] <kurt-xubuntu> as long as you install the same version it will remember its key
[05:52] <XLV> anli, also with pinning apt sources<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, it'd work too.. still not how you want it with debootstrap
[05:53] <XLV> or here https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-enable-proposed-archive-repo-on-ubuntu-linux-to-install-packages/
[05:53] <kurt-xubuntu> ghostnik11 you could not afford me just muddle though
[05:53] <ghostnik11> Spookan, it said it has already been installed
[05:54] <kurt-xubuntu> oops
[05:54] <kurt-xubuntu> nevermind
[05:55] <XLV> anli, havent not seen any reference with debootstrap differentiating between main, security, proposed etc, just the release main name
[05:55] <ghostnik11> Spookan, okay i found the solution it had to do with this: sudo apt install --reinstall libgtkmm-2.4-1v5 apparently that was a bug with gparted and ubuntu 16.04
[05:56] <Spookan> Oh you are on 16.04, that one is old.
[05:56] <kurt-xubuntu> still supported
[05:56] <XLV> anli, perhaps with the switch --variant=proposed ?
[05:57] <kurt-xubuntu> 18.04 lts is still to new to many gremlins
[05:57] <ghostnik11> Spookan, okay i got gparted up and running. well i am on 16.04 because one its long term support and because i am running ubuntu off of a asus t100 (2 in 1 tablet/pc) which came with windows so i had to gut it and its amazing to have ubuntu/linux on this machine because its not suppose to have it working this well
[05:58] <ghostnik11> Spookan, hopefully i can delete all the contents on the micro sd card through gparted and then it will be back up and running normal
[05:58] <Spookan> ghostnik11: Hehe ok, good luck. :)
[05:58] <kurt-xubuntu> hehe once you get a working box don't switch until you absolutly have to unless you just like pain
[06:00] <kurt-xubuntu> speeking of was wondering if anyone could help me with my question i asked earlier never got a response
[06:05] <kurt-xubuntu> i have an Aspire 7750G complete specs can be found here http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/pics/mySpecs_html.html its an Intel i7 with 16gb of ram has that silly dual Intel graphics cards but i have the second graphics card turned off in the bios because linux has trouble detecting it
[06:06] <kurt-xubuntu> running ubuntu 16.04 it keep locking up hard none of the normal keyboard commands will bring it out of it or make it do a soft shutdown
[06:07] <kurt-xubuntu> also locks up running from 18.04 dvd
[06:07] <kurt-xubuntu> ran memtest full pass no errors
[06:08] <kurt-xubuntu> i used the intel video driver tool for ubuntu 16.04 to update the video driver
[06:08] <takeme> gnome-tweaks
[06:08] <takeme> Command 'gnome-tweaks' not found, but can be installed with:
[06:08] <takeme> sudo apt install gnome-tweaks   <— i want to use windows list, then i  can use windows list after installing gnome-tweaks?
[06:08] <MysticReverie> can you delete the new driver?
[06:09] <MysticReverie> see if it gets better
[06:09] <kurt-xubuntu> it did it before
[06:09] <MysticReverie> hmm
[06:09] <MysticReverie> I'm not an expert, but many here are. maybe sumone can help
[06:12] <ghostnik11> Spookan, i get this error when i try to delete the fat32 partition on the microsd card Input/output error during write on /dev/mmcblk2
[06:13] <ghostnik11> Spookan, do you think i should dd command it?
[06:20] <MysticReverie> Anybody know an easy to use RAW photo splitter so I can get HDR image?
[06:20] <ghostnik11> yeah i think i have to dd command it
[06:20] <takeme> can i use windows list on ubuntu?
[06:24] <tomreyn> kurt-xubuntu: is the bios up to date?
[06:25] <kurt-xubuntu> good question i will have to check
[06:26] <kurt-xubuntu> that is something i have not looked at
[06:26] <tomreyn> kurt-xubuntu: you have the latest
[06:27] <kurt-xubuntu> ah
[06:27] <tomreyn> kurt-xubuntu: have you checked syslog about why it may lock up?
[06:27] <kurt-xubuntu> yes nada
[06:28] <takeme> default is gnome ?
[06:28] <tomreyn> kurt-xubuntu: do you happen to have a second computer and a PL2303 wire?
[06:29] <tomreyn> takeme: are you asking whether the default desktop on ubuntu is gnome? it is since 18.04. the ubuntu dekstop there is based on gnome 3.
[06:29] <takeme> tomreyn: thanks but i can’t execute gnome-tweaks?
[06:29] <kurt-xubuntu> bno
[06:30] <kurt-xubuntu> no PL2303 wire
[06:30] <tomreyn> kurt-xubuntu: is acquiring one an option?
[06:30] <kurt-xubuntu> what do i do with it??
[06:30] <takeme> tomreyn: ?
[06:30] <tomreyn> kurt-xubuntu: it could help yu getting a better insight into why ubuntu on your aspire 7750g fails.
[06:31] <tomreyn> takeme: i don't know about gnome-tewaks really.
[06:32] <takeme> how can i use windows list on ubuntu?
[06:34] <tomreyn> see this kurt-xubuntu https://debian-administration.org/article/492/Debugging_system_freezes
[06:34] <semperV> Hi
[06:36] <anli> Is it possible to run an x application from inside a chroot jail?
[06:38] <anli> I can maybe create a link to a fifo or something :)
[06:41] <anli> Ah, had to use xhost + in the host system
[06:42] <kurt-xubuntu> thank you tomreyo for the link that was very helpful
[06:42] <kurt-xubuntu> gives me a starting point
[06:42] <kurt-xubuntu> gnight
[06:43] <tomreyn> takeme: what do you mean by "windows list"?
[06:44] <takeme> tomreyn: https://askubuntu.com/questions/99932/missing-window-list-on-bottom-panel-in-gnome-classic
[06:44] <tomreyn> to get a list of all running applications, you can use the 'ps' command on a terminal. there are graphical alternatives.
[06:44] <takeme> i did it
[06:45] <tomreyn> :) well done
[06:45] <takeme> :)
[06:55] <XLV> still hangs.. anyone here has successfully installed 18.04 on an aton n270 or similar architecture?
[06:56] <tomreyn> XLV: have you tried, if so, does it not work, if so, how?
[06:58] <XLV> tomreyn, i tried, it just hangs. i updated the kernel due to bug with intel 945gm IGP, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639?comments=all and it still hangs..
[06:58] <tomreyn> XLV: and it still doesn't work with 4.15?
[06:59] <XLV> tomreyn, its two bugs in there.. the 2nd one appears on 4.15 too, i installed 4.17.2
[07:01] <tomreyn> XLV: i guess you could try a 4.18 rc.
[07:01] <tomreyn> !mainline
[07:02] <tomreyn> http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/wget_kernel_mainline.sh is handy in managing (and authenticating) mainline kernels.
[07:11] <ironpillow> hi all, need help with logrotate. Under lastaction how can I get the filename AFTER dateext/dateformat have renamed the file. I need to pass in the exact filename to an external script. if I use $1 inside lastaction, i am receiving the plain file name /var/log/mylog but I want /var/log/mylog-2018-07-13-1531550948. thanks!
[07:23] <cesdo> Hi guys! I have three mp4 videos: 25 fps, 23.976 fps, 29.97 fps. How can I mix them with variable framerate using ffmpeg?
[07:23] <cesdo> https://pastebin.com/EWjkEkXT
[07:24] <cesdo> Here is information about my files
[07:24] <cesdo> Ah, I need concatenate videos with sound, of course!
[08:06] <duncan213> hello everyone
[08:18] <XLV> tomreyn, it boots.. but slowly as hell.. guess 18.04 is proving to be quite heavy for the old POS
[08:22] <abb4s> hey every body
[08:23] <abb4s> i have a .pbk file for connecting to vpn with a "Device=WAN Miniport (PPTP)" in it . so how can i import settings of this file ??
[08:23] <abb4s> and connect to vpn server
[08:26] <tomreyn> XLV: yeay, what did you need to do then?
[08:29] <XLV> tomreyn, if i tell you i dont know? i went into recovery mode, with the 4.17.2 kernel i selected some options there, fsck etc, then i selected normal boot from there, and it booted
[08:29] <XLV> didnt install a newer kernel than 4.17.2
[08:33] <tomreyn> abb4s: this is a windows file format for an l2tp / pptp vpn. you should be able to iopen it in a text viewer and create a custom vpn configuration based on it using network manager.
[08:34] <tomreyn> abb4s: i dont think there's a converter for those files which would create a profle you could import into network manager (but have not really searched much)
[08:34] <oerheks> abb4s, i find np pbk manuals, this answer says to set up manually, as pbk is just a text file with vpn connection information, and you can copy that manually https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1734396
[08:34] <tomreyn> XLV: well, glad it worked uot then :)
[08:35] <oerheks> :-)
[08:38] <abb4s> tomreyn, oerheks  : thanks . actually theres so many fields and configuration in file. and its hard to find out which one is for which one !
[08:39] <oerheks> abb4s, maybe your vpn vendor has more information, or better config files
[08:39] <oerheks> an .ovpn or something like that
[08:41] <dc-> sup :]
[08:43] <dc-> just rejoined irc after a long hiatus and am wondering what are the active channels and networks for general computer and technology chat? Just seem to end up at #ubuntu, which is in no way bad, though :D
[08:44] <oerheks> hi dc, this is ubuntu technical support
[08:44] <oerheks> !alis
[08:45] <dc-> oerheks: thanks :)
[08:45] <dc-> I also have a technical Ubuntu question
[08:47] <dc-> When I run 'systemctl list-units' I can see some snaps being loaded multiple times, as in multiple versions. For example, I can see "snap-gimp-38.mount", "snap-gimp-39.mount" and so forth. I also see VLC being loaded twice and VS Code has three different versions loaded. I also have VLC shown twice in the Ubuntu Software -application with one stating "VLC" and the other "VLC media player". How could I clean
[08:48] <dc-> this up?
[08:48] <oerheks> those are older versions, so you can roll back
[08:49] <oerheks> standard snap keeps N=3 versions
[08:50] <dc-> Right
[08:50] <oerheks>  snap remove --revision=N <snap name> >> answer #5 https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1555217
[08:51] <dc-> Alright, so maybe I'll just let them be unless I run out of disk space
[08:52] <oerheks> yes, that depends if it is a game of 400 mb+, i would do that manually
[08:53] <dc-> right, thanks :)
[08:53] <oerheks> not ideal, i agree
[08:53] <oerheks> dc have fun!
[08:53] <dc-> yeah I suppose there's opinions on this
[08:53] <dc-> :)
[08:53] <oerheks> the option to roll back, is nice. but 3 ..
[09:10] <dc-> hey, which news reader for usenet would you recommend?
[09:10] <dc-> with SSL
[09:18] <poutine> dc-, for actually reading nntp?
[09:28] <acetakwas> Did a two-step upgrade from 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04
[09:28] <acetakwas> At 17.10, I couldn't login successfully.
[09:28] <acetakwas> Got something like "Failed Authentication"
[09:29] <acetakwas> So at the login screen I switched to tty1, then completed the upgrade from there.
[09:29] <dc-> yes, for actually reading
[09:29] <dc-> I tried Pan but it's not exactly inspiring
[09:29] <acetakwas> Now with 18.04 fully installed, I'm stuck at splash screen.
[09:29] <dc-> does anyone post there anymore?
[09:30] <acetakwas> What can I do, please
[09:30] <acetakwas> ?
[09:31] <CrackedCracker> Hello. Where does xubuntu start window manager (xfwm) by default? Context: I'm using xubuntu 18.04 and recently my window manager (xfwm4) have stopped starting after login. It still works fine on its own, if I start it manually afterwards, but want to put it back into autostart.
[09:37] <oerheks> CrackedCracker, sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target # and reboot
[09:37] <oerheks> and to return to tty login: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[09:37] <qwebirc59224> hello!
[09:38] <qwebirc59224> hello
[09:38] <qwebirc59224> who are in there
[09:38] <oerheks> hi qwebirc59224, choose a name, this is ubuntu support
[09:39] <qwebirc59224> how i can change my name?
[09:39] <rud0lf> for example to simon_21, /nick simon_21
[09:40] <rud0lf> some nicks may be taken, it's a big network
[09:40] <qwebirc59224> test
[09:42] <oerheks> normally one does that before logging in on the website
[09:43] <qwebirc59224> Pp
[09:44] <acetakwas> https://imagebin.ca/v/48dryTqLbZNS
[09:44] <acetakwas> https://imagebin.ca/
[09:45] <acetakwas> https://imagebin.ca/v/48ds5f4AYWv4
[09:45] <oerheks> acetakwas, no support for 17.04, it is dead, EOL
[09:45] <acetakwas> eraserpencil: It is not 17.04
[09:45] <acetakwas> It is 18.04
[09:46] <acetakwas> Installed but stuck at splash screen on boot.
[09:46] <CrackedCracker> oerheks: um, so, essentially, it's started by systemd?
[09:46] <ppf> acetakwas: stuck how
[09:46] <ppf> your screenshots are showing apt failures
[09:46] <acetakwas> The splash screen never ends.
[09:46] <oerheks> CrackedCracker, who knows what broke your gui login..
[09:46] <acetakwas> Yes.
[09:47] <acetakwas> I had to turn off splash at GRUB
[09:47] <acetakwas> And get into tty1
[09:47] <oerheks> but systemd/systemctl is a fix, indeed
[09:47] <ppf> acetakwas: so the system is booted?
[09:47] <acetakwas> So I tried to run apt update, but got the error I shared.
[09:47] <oerheks> acetakwas, oh, i read just the first line.. and why did you comment out all sources?
[09:47] <ppf> acetakwas: start from the top please
[09:47] <ppf> you booted into the rescue system?
[09:48] <acetakwas> ppf: oerheks I suspect that's the issue. But not sure what should be uncommented.
[09:48] <CrackedCracker> oerheks: um, gui login works, even some windows load after i login into my account, it's only xfwm that isn't starting
[09:48] <acetakwas> ppf: I turned off deleted "splash" from the prompt at GRUB.
[09:48] <acetakwas> When I pressed `e`
[09:49] <oerheks> CrackedCracker,  err ... windows loads, but xfwm not.. how is that possible?
[09:49] <ppf> acetakwas: you can't run apt in grub
[09:49] <CrackedCracker> oerheks: there aren't any borders and i can't move focus with my mouse
[09:50] <CrackedCracker> like, a regular windows, except there isn't any way to manage them :)
[09:50] <acetakwas> ppf: Please look at the pictures. I am not trying to run "apt" in GRUB. I know I can't do that.
[09:50] <acetakwas> I turned off splash from GRUB
[09:51] <acetakwas> That way I got a tty1 screen at boot.
[09:51] <acetakwas> Now running apt update I see the errors shared.
[09:51] <ppf> so what did you boot into
[09:51] <acetakwas> I looked into my /etc/apt/sources... and I saw what I shared in the second picture.
[09:51] <acetakwas> ppf: I don't understand you.
[09:52] <acetakwas> I booted into the system.
[09:52] <acetakwas> I've practically repeated myself.
[09:52] <ppf> you said the system doesn't boot, so _what_ did you boot
[09:52] <acetakwas> CrackedCracker: Do you understand the situation better?
[09:53] <ppf> we can't until you tell us what you did
[09:53] <acetakwas> ppf: I don't think you understand it, so it's pointless saying the same thing over and over again.
[09:53] <acetakwas> Could someone at least tell me what to uncomment from the sources file?
[09:56] <Urbanecm> Hello everyone, I want Santali language to display on my Ubuntu (for example the part after "Ol Chiki" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santali_language). I don't want to change localization, just install fonts supporting this language. Thank you!
[09:56] <CrackedCracker> acetakwas: you mean, my situation after the explanation by @oerheks? Might be, I'm still looking into systemd configs :)
[09:56] <CrackedCracker> Just it wasn't an answer to my question, which is why I'm asking again.
[09:56] <oerheks> acetakwas,  use the update tool, and select there the souces again
[09:56] <acetakwas> oerheks: Can't do that since I can't get a GUI.
[09:56] <acetakwas> I am in TTY1...
[09:57] <oerheks> CrackedCracker,  i have no clue, first you claim it does not start, now it starts but not xfwm..
[09:58] <oerheks> maybe #xubuntu is can answer that better
[09:59] <CrackedCracker> oerheks: sorry, might have sounded a little bit rough. thank you for the answer anyway.
[09:59] <CrackedCracker> everything starts, except window manager (i thought i wrote the same in the first question, but ugh, seems it wasn't clear)
[09:59] <CrackedCracker> and thanks for the recommendation, I'll try my luck there
[10:01] <oerheks> CrackedCracker,  run updates again from tty, and/or apt install -f # to see if thing get fixed, as you didn't state what happened before this issue appears, we must guess
[10:04] <CrackedCracker> welp, that's why I asked not for the recommendation, but what configures xfwm to appear in autostart
[10:04] <CrackedCracker> it's all fine with apt, I usually start xfwm by hand from the terminal
[10:04] <CrackedCracker> If I can clarify the situation in any way -- like, provide logs from boot -- I'll be happy to do that
[10:05] <CrackedCracker> usually --> after it broke
[10:07] <acetakwas> https://imagebin.ca/v/48dyt9iUaCSk
[10:12] <oerheks> acetakwas, seems like you have no dns, or networking at all
[10:14] <acetakwas> oerheks: https://imagebin.ca/v/48e12A1HL2ko
[10:16] <acetakwas> oerheks: ifconfig: https://imagebin.ca/v/48e1fBi37SfG
[10:17] <oerheks> not sure, but that bigstepcloud is old, http://repo.bigstepcloud.com/ubuntu-releases/
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:18] <oerheks> acetakwas, so you have no wireless, put in a network cable
[10:19] <acetakwas> oerheks: Okay. I'll have to find one.
[10:35] <dc-> Is there a convenient way of using OpenVPN but excluding a specific application to use direct connection?
[10:36] <dc-> Or let me rephrase, can I use a direct connection with a specific application when otherwise I connect to internet through VPN using OpenVPN?
[10:37] <blackflow> dc-: maybe not at individual application level, but you can add a route to specific IPs that go through a non-vpn NIC
[10:38] <BluesKaj> dc yes , but a lot depends on which server you use . PIAVPN provides a socks5 proxy server that one can use with some IRC clients and some torrent apps like qbittorrent
[10:42] <BluesKaj> I guess what you want is the reverse of my suggestion
[10:42] <BluesKaj> dc-,^
[10:56] <Wally> Hello, can someone please tell me what Ubuntu uses for it's first run wizard?
[10:56] <dc-> Hey blackflow and BluesKaj thanks for answers. What I am trying to do is access a specific website and use a video player without VPN.
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Wally, wizard?
[10:57] <Wally> The setup GUI
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Wally, the installer or the first login after installation?
[10:58] <Wally> Is it GTKassistant?
[10:59] <oerheks> first run wizzard? that happens during install with ubiquity
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Wally, what exactly is your issue?
[10:59] <oerheks> !info ubiquity
[10:59] <blackflow> dc-_: if specific site, then consider routing. Also, what you want might be possible by running applications in different namespaces, in theory at least, but routing is the easiest solution, if all you want is direct access to some website(s).
[11:00] <Wally> oerheks yeah the installer, I am just curious about what it uses. I guess I can find out by looking into the ubiquity
[11:00] <Wally> source
[11:00] <Wally> ta
[11:00] <BluesKaj> ubiquity is the installer
[11:00] <oerheks> Wally, there is also an oem option, where the user can setup on 1st boot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview
[11:01] <oerheks> but i think you want ubiquity
[11:01] <BluesKaj> he's gone
[11:01] <oerheks> oh
[11:09] <ammiegirl808__> msg nickserve identify ammiegirl808_ Passw0rd!
[11:10] <ammiegirl808__> I connected with you on chrome. I had the seedbox open in forefox. I closed the firefox windows which left me in chrome.
[11:12] <dc-> blackflow: hmm, care to point me in a direction where I can find more information?
[11:18] <tomreyn> ammiegirl808__: looks like you posted your password to this channel. but if it is "Passw0rd!" you have a problem anyways.
[11:18] <dc-> oops he he
[11:22] <muflihin> hi
[11:27] <SimonNL> /msg nickserve won't work
[11:27] <muflihin> what?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> it nickserv
[11:27] <BluesKaj> it's
[11:29] <BluesKaj> should be typed in the server/freenode  box
[11:37] <dc-> Hey, if one would go about developing their own tool that would add a dropdown-menu on the task bar, where would I get started?
[11:40] <tomreyn> in #ubuntu-app-devel ;)
[11:41] <oerheks> gnome3/gtk .. find a project on github for such gnome plugin, and see/learn how that works
[11:42] <dc-> thanks, just found the Python guide
[12:26] <dc-> Seems like they removed the feature entirely
[12:27] <jeffree> ubuntu18.04, twm login does not work for me, it just hangs. Does twm work for anyone else?
[12:33] <oerheks> twm uses xinit, 18.04 uses systemD.
[12:33] <oerheks> b.t.w. not sure why TWM is still in the repos, it is dead jim
[12:43] <Ascavasaion> I am trying to extend my desktop on my laptop running LXDE.  But I am unable to get the bar at the bottom onto the right hand display.  Any advice?  I have tried arandr but I cannot see how to do it, or if it even can be done.
[12:45] <oerheks> Ascavasaion, maybe you better reask in #lubuntu too
[12:45] <Ascavasaion> oerheks: I did, thank you.
[13:01] <seiflekbir> part
[13:20] <dc-> I just don't get my head around this routing
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> !details | dc-
[13:26] <dc-> I am using a vpn with openvpn and am trying to create a route so I can use a certain website directly without vpn. I am trying to figure out the route-command but am stuck defining the gateway. I try to do "sudo route add -net ip.of.website gw ip.of.gateway metric 1" but am unsure what the gateway is supposed to be, the router gateway?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> dc-: sounds like more a question for ##networking
[13:28] <dc-> I will ask there, thanks :)
[13:33] <anddam> hi, why does trying to just download a package like    'apt get --downloads-only tmux'    results in E: Command line option --download-only is not understood in combination with the other options ?
[13:34] <anddam> ohh get isn't a command
[13:34] <anddam> install is
[13:34] <anddam> my bad
[13:34] <oerheks> -s  --download-only
[13:35] <anddam> --dry-run? what for?
[13:35] <oerheks> that simulates install, to see what happens, missing dependencies and such
[13:36] <anddam> no I was actually going to check what the post-install script are but the package doesn't provide source
[13:36] <anddam> it's google-musicmanager-beta
[13:37] <anddam> I suspect it has some step in script that rewrites the sources.list file, I add arch=amd64 to the deb line and each upgrade of packages removes it and then I get a warning about i386 packages not being present
[13:38] <anddam> oerheks: but I'm not sure the package itself is the culprit, I mean I could understand a script in the package was the responsible *if* the package got reconfigured, but it is ever hardly updated
[13:39] <anddam> so let me phrase an actual question: who is the responsible for removing an [arc=] options to a deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-musicmanager.list when I do an update?
[13:41] <oerheks> andyou should not have to do that, if it gives i386packages only?
[13:42] <oerheks> i have not tried that manager, not really interested actually to find out too
[13:53] <fightthewalrus> hi I'm haing trouble to perform an update due to dpkg hanging on installing the virtualbox package
[13:53] <fightthewalrus> some fixes seen elsewhere suggest that I should uninstall and install the package again, but apt complains that the process didn't finish correctly
[13:54] <anddam> oerheks: no, it gives amd64 packages only, but when I update apt gives me a warning saying the i386 package cannot be found, I udnerstand that and that's why I try to force apt to only look for amd64
[13:54] <fightthewalrus> however, just running the suggested command makes the program hang all over again, and so in a cycle
[13:54] <fightthewalrus> how can I purge the package if dpkg complains?
[13:54] <anddam> but that gets reverted at some point, that is the first update I run after editing the source.list goes fine
[13:55] <anddam> then later I see the warning again but I'm not able to figure what's actually triggering the change in the source.list
[13:55] <anddam> and notice I change the .list and .list.save
[13:55] <oerheks> soem virtualbox dkms package needs some time to compile/install, be patient
[13:55] <oerheks> c/some
[13:55] <anddam> oerheks: also google music manager is utter crap, don't bother
[13:56] <oerheks> as long as caps lock light works, it is fine
[13:56] <anddam> oerheks: but it does somehow a job of syncing a local directory with the account
[13:56] <oerheks> anddam, google, sure it wants to know your misic lib
[13:57] <fightthewalrus> oerheks: I've been waiting for about 1 week now
[13:58] <anddam> oerheks: ok but that doesn't really relate to the arch issues in sources.list file
[13:58] <fightthewalrus> at times I had the computer on for more than 5 hours waiting for the command to finish, so it seems to me that it's hanging
[13:58] <oerheks> fightthewalrus, the only thing i can think of is UEFI, that prevents that dkms
[13:58] <fightthewalrus> is it a sources.list problem?
[13:59] <fightthewalrus> UEFI as in secure boot?
[13:59] <oerheks> jups
[14:00] <fightthewalrus> oops
[14:00] <fightthewalrus> suppose this machine is locked and I cannot change any settings in secure boot
[14:01] <fightthewalrus> is there a way to still fix this?
[14:01] <Ascavasaion> oerheks: I figured it out... thank you for at least recognising my question.
[14:02] <fightthewalrus> I fluked to the point that I was able to skip the virtualbox update and then dpkg installed all the other ones. I tried running apt-get purge virtualbox but the same issue happens, it can't build the module for the kernel
[14:02] <oerheks> Ascavasaion, have fun!
[14:03] <oerheks> fightthewalrus, i am looking, but find no fix, some install virtualbox from their site
[14:03] <oerheks> sudo apt-get -y install gcc make linux-headers-$(uname -r) dkms # and then their binairy blob
[14:08] <rdg> in the ubuntu file manager how can I change it so I can type in the path I want to explore and not just point and click
[14:10] <ioria> rdg, ctrl+l
[14:11] <xdax> i have an issue that might be network-manager related
[14:11] <sonicwind> did not know about that... thanks ioria
[14:11] <sonicwind> and rdg
[14:12] <ioria> sonicwind, no prob
[14:12] <xdax> multiple wireless devices that act as mini-routers fail to get the MAC correctly
[14:12] <rdg> oh god thank you ioria
[14:12] <xdax> i can get on internet with normal wireless routers though
[14:12] <rdg> i was constantly clicking it hoping it'd give me something useful
[14:12] <ioria> rdg, ok
[14:13] <xdax> mac is shown as <incomplete> with arp however
[14:13] <xdax> i switched to a windows machine and the problem doesn't lie on the device side
[14:19] <xdax> i think the devices have static ips and network-manager is doing something fishy by default
[14:21] <my_mom_hot> hi
[14:27] <ioria> xdax, fishy ,how ?
[14:28] <xdax> ok i got it
[14:28] <xdax> network-manager had dhcp enabled by default which was breaking the static ip stuff
[14:28] <ioria> xdax, i don't think so
[14:28] <xdax> so i have to set each device to manual
[14:29] <xdax> ioria: these are those devices like chinese-made wifi cameras that just take a device and slap it on a cheap wireless router
[14:30] <ioria> xdax, ok
[14:30] <xdax> they want a static ip and network-manager's dhcp settings scream at them
[14:49] <jeffree> oerheks: lol, thanks
[14:51] <xdax> ioria for the record of how finicky this hardware was
[14:51] <xdax> it's not even a webcam
[14:52] <xdax> it's a series of snapshots on a loop which gets delivered to an app over telnet???
[15:10] <adham> hello everyone, do anyone know if there is any way I can use my wigig dock on my wigig wireless on ubuntu 18.04?
[15:19] <adham> do anyone know if wigig is supported on linux
[15:20] <tomreyn> adham: i'm just reading up on this, never heard of it before. can you explain what it is supposed to do, and which decvices it consists?
[15:20] <qwebirc45226> Hello! I have an Ubuntu 16.04 stuck in a boot loop and all solutions I found on the internet didn't solve it. So I came here for some ideas on how to solve it
[15:20] <tomreyn> adham: apparently is't a docking station, with a wireless interface, and a separate (secondary) wireless interface in the laptop?
[15:20] <adham> tomreyn: wigig is part of my wireless card
[15:21] <adham> which allows me to connect to my wigig docking station (beside my wifi) wirelessly
[15:21] <adham> if I moved the laptop away from the wigig dock, it will lose connection because it's connected to the dock wirelessly
[15:22] <adham> this is the software that is available for windows but not linux
[15:22] <adham> https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27490/Intel-Wireless-Dock-Manager-Software
[15:22] <tomreyn> adham: is it this chipset (run lsusb / lspci -nn? https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/unable-to-run-ThinkPad-WiGig-Dock-with-T460-on-linux/td-p/3842586
[15:22] <adham> this is my wifi https://www.intel.com.au/content/www/au/en/support/products/95080/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/intel-wireless-gigabit-products/intel-tri-band-wireless-ac-18000-series/intel-tri-band-wireless-ac-18265.html
[15:23] <adham> tomreyn, yes, in the last comment, it looks like it's close to my wifi, except that I'm 5 higher, i.e mine is 18265 and his is 18260
[15:24] <tomreyn> you may have read https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/11/intel_discontineues_wigig_parts_for_wireless_docks/ - since lenovo + intel don't seem to provide linux drivers for this hardware, and since the hardware is already considered a strategy failure, it seems a bit unlikely that someone will spend much effort on making it work in the future.
[15:25] <adham> that's disturbing
[15:25] <oliver__> I've got some trouble running a script located @ /media/speicher/system/ at system startup unter 18.04. I've tried to activate rc.local and have tried to write a systemd-unit but to no avail.
[15:25] <adham> thanks tomreyn, seems like thsi device will be a decore on the desk
[15:26] <Delvien> oliver__: first thought, is /media even mounted when the script is called?
[15:26] <tomreyn> adham: it may be. :-/  feel free to show your outputs form lsusb + lspci -nn, though, then i can look some more
[15:26] <tomreyn> !details | qwebirc45226
[15:27] <oliver__> Delvien: I'm not sure. How to find out?
[15:27] <tomreyn> tell us about your hardware, qwebirc45226
[15:27] <qwebirc45226> It's a MacBook 6,1
[15:28] <qwebirc45226> Not running dualboot or anything
[15:28] <adham> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/uE5NvPCe
[15:28] <Delvien> oliver__: is your "speicher" folder mounted via fstab?
[15:28] <tomreyn> qwebirc45226: also, how did you install, which 16.04 point release (lsb_release -ds) is it?
[15:28] <oliver__> Delvien: It is.
[15:29] <qwebirc45226> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[15:29] <tomreyn> qwebirc45226: also did it ever work on 16.04? did it ever work with linux? what happened between when it worked and now?
[15:29] <Delvien> oliver__: try making a folder in /var/ and putting your script there, then setting it to call on the script on startup.
[15:29] <qwebirc45226> installed via bootable USB stick
[15:30] <oliver__> does this look good? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9VDSymm5pM/
[15:30] <Delvien> oliver__: 2nd thought, if you run the script manually does it work?
[15:30] <adham> tomreyn, pls let me know if you have any ideas I've been trying to find any drivers or anything that could help tbh
[15:30] <oliver__> Delvien: It does if I run it manually but not if I try via systemctl start resetchristeluw.service
[15:31] <Delvien> oliver__: i cant help with the systemctl, but put the script somewhere like /var/ and then change your configs to reflect that change
[15:32] <tomreyn> adham: thanks for posting. i just looked more. the device id is "8086:093c". but there is no support on linux for it.
[15:33] <Delvien> oliver__: its just my guess as why its not starting on bootup, it may be calling for it before fstab has done its job? I could be wrong
[15:33] <adham> tomreyn: no workaround any unofficial release that might help?
[15:34] <oliver__> Delvien: I thought into that direction as well
[15:34] <oliver__> trying to move it to var/local
[15:34] <Delvien> oliver__: good luck, I have to go :D
[15:35] <qwebirc45226> What happens is Ubuntu boots and after a little while there's just a black screen with the mouse cursor, no login prompt or anything. Before my attempts of repairing it it showed the login screen, and after logging in the screen went black just to show the login screen again
[15:39] <tomreyn> adham: nothing at all from what i could find, not even mailing list posts discussing it.
[15:39] <adham> thx tomreyn, seems like a bad luck for me :(
[15:39] <tomreyn> adham: the other wireless work, thought, right?
[15:40] <adham> yes, I'm connected to wifi just fine
[15:40] <tomreyn> adham: it's always gambling to buy new hardware concepts before there is driver support on linux...
[15:40] <adham> but no wigig dock usage cabability
[15:41] <adham> it works on windows really great, tbh it's a great piece of hardware that saves you from too much cables
[15:42] <gambl0re> can anyone recommend a simple ux design application?
[15:42] <tomreyn> adham: you can run linux on a vm under windows then, or multi-boot. or sell the docking station. i'm afraid i have no better suggestions for you.
[15:43] <adham> yes, sounds like the only option but too much resource consumption as I mainly rely on linux for development
[15:43] <tomreyn> qwebirc45226: see if this matches your issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1727356
[15:44] <adham> thx tomreyn
[15:44] <adham> tomreyn
[15:45] <adham> do you know if there are any wigig software at all?
[15:45] <adham> maybe it will just work if I have the app, I just found a dongle that supports linux https://www.seeedstudio.com/WiGig-USB3.0-Dongle-p-2827.html
[15:50] <tomreyn> adham: not on linux, i dont think so.
[15:51] <tomreyn> after all, why have softwaqre then there are no drivers
[15:51] <tomreyn> *when
[15:52] <adham> is it possible to use wine?
[15:54] <tomreyn> adham: is this a generic question? if so, yes, you can use wine. will it make all windows applications work on linux? no, maybe some.
[15:55] <qwebirc45226> The description fits... Although, the solution didn't work
[15:55] <tomreyn> adham: this "wigig dongle" appears to be entirely different hardware, and a different (but similar) concept, and an attempt to do more sales by reusing intels marketing term.
[15:56] <oerheks> odd that "foss"bytes has an article about it, https://fossbytes.com/wigig-wi-fi-802-11ad-finally-arrived-insane-8gbps-download-speeds/
[15:56] <oerheks> no linux driver yet indeed, and no way to trottle back to 54 mbit?
[15:57] <adham> ahh no, sorry, I meant as in is it possible to use wine to install drivers and wigig dock manager?
[15:58] <tomreyn> oerheks: well these computers which support it have two wireles cards, the wigig one is to link to the station only, and there's another one to do the normal stuff.
[15:58] <jackschnups> Hey Guys
[15:59] <oerheks> adham, i think that will not work, but check out in wineHQ
[15:59] <oerheks> !wine
[16:00] <tomreyn> adham: there used to be, and kind of still is https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper - but i dont think this will work with this hardware. and if it did, it would not be satisfactory.
[16:04] <adham> thanks tomreyn, i am to officially giveup for now and go to sleep, i'll check it out tomorrow
[16:05] <adham> goodnight
[16:35] <Edico> Hi
[16:36] <Edico> How can I create a desktop shortcut or put an icon on the dock. I have a .sh file and I want to create an icon for it
[16:37] <Edico> I use ubuntu 18.04
[16:38] <mojtaba> Hello, Could you please let me know what is suitable for lengthy screen recording?
[16:38] <mojtaba> I have tried avconv and ffmpeg, but both have problems in synching or even recording the sound properly.
[16:38] <mojtaba> Is Kazam a good choice for lengthy (1 hour) recording?
[16:39] <mojtaba> Is there any professional solution with no problem?
[16:39] <mojtaba> I am using Ubuntu 16.04LTS.
[16:40] <nik90> mojtaba: Checkout RecordMyDesktop at http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php. Decent and reliable solution.
[16:41] <mojtaba> nik90: Have you tested it before?
[16:41] <nik90> mojtaba: Yes, I used to use it quite often. Tbh I haven't used it lately, but when I used it, it was reliable.
[16:42] <nik90> mojtaba: I think it is worth testing.
[16:42] <mojtaba> nik90: thanks, I will give it a shot.
[16:44] <tomreyn> recordmydesktop, last updated 10 years ago. it may still work, but i had it crash on my several times.
[16:45] <anondye> can anyone direct me to a service like Putty or multi-putty for ubuntu?
[16:46] <tomreyn> anondye: umm, you mean ssh?
[16:46] <anondye> yes, but im trying to find a program that looks and feels like putty
[16:46] <dc-> maybe you could tweak the terminal gfx
[16:47] <tomreyn> being unix-like, linux and ubuntu can benefit from running the ofiicial openssh client and server implementations
[16:47] <tomreyn> well, you could install putty
[16:48] <tomreyn> maybe remmina is roughly what you seek
[16:48] <anondye> I got putty installed but im trying to get muti-putty installed where i can have saved list
[16:49] <anondye> working with lots of nodes and keeping a nice list would be quite helpful
[16:49] <tomreyn> if remmina is not it, you could also use a terminal multiplexer
[16:50] <anondye> can you save inlist
[16:50] <tomreyn> not sure what this means
[16:51] <tomreyn> you can create connection profiles in ~/.ssh/config
[16:51] <tomreyn> there is also a perl gui named "pac"
[16:53] <anondye> yeah that looks nice thanks tomreyn
[16:54] <anondye> do you also know how to just right click=copy
[16:54] <anondye> in terminal
[16:54] <anondye> auto copy and past in terminal
[16:54] <oerheks> hold shift, then ctrl v
[16:54] <anondye> I mean highlight=copy
[16:55] <oerheks> that is a protection
[16:55] <anondye> i just want to highlight and it auto copies
[16:59] <tomreyn> anondye: there is also 'gnome-connection-manager' (also available as a package). and probably a lot more like it.
[17:00] <d3bug> I have an install question about ubuntu mate 18.04 LTS:  when installing I want to use XFS for /, however, regardless if I tell it to install the bootloader on sda or on the efi partition, I just get a "grub>" prompt instead of the choice of what to boot.  Any idea why?
[17:00] <d3bug> (gpt table btw)
[17:00] <mojtaba> nik90: Hello again, I am getting this error trying to use recordmydesktop
[17:00] <mojtaba> X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)
[17:00] <mojtaba> Bad Access on XGrabKey.
[17:00] <mojtaba> Shortcut already assigned.
[17:01] <mojtaba> Have you faced this before?
[17:01] <tomreyn> anondye: you can drag the mouse across text, which will copy into one of the two types of 'clipboards' that linux has. then paste using midle mouse button.
[17:01] <tomreyn> that's a bit similar to what you are used to from putty, i guess.
[17:02] <tomreyn> but too easy pasting into a temrinal is also a recipe for disaster
[17:03] <rud0lf> also, be careful pasting commands from internet pages, those can be forged to put something else to clipboard than you see
[17:04] <oerheks> xfs and uefi, i think that is still an issue with an signed module https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1652822
[17:04] <oerheks> disable secure boot and use legacy
[17:04] <d3bug> I am not using secure boot
[17:05] <rud0lf> https://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste
[17:05] <d3bug> reading the bugreport now...
[17:07] <oerheks> you can make a small ext4 for /boot, but this all is a workaround https://askubuntu.com/questions/945337/ubuntu-17-04-will-not-boot-on-uefi-system-with-xfs-system-partition
[17:07] <d3bug> wow, quite the mess... lol
[17:07] <oerheks> and xfs is not fast
[17:08] <d3bug> it is for me
[17:08] <d3bug> much faster than ext4 on my system
[17:08] <d3bug> I'll give it a shot with a /boot partition using ext4.
[17:09] <d3bug> i'll let you all know if that works...
[17:09] <tomreyn> mojtaba: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/ may be a good choice, too.
[17:09] <mojtaba> tomreyn: thanks
[17:10] <tomreyn> it's old, but still getting updates https://github.com/MaartenBaert/ssr
[17:10] <mojtaba> tomreyn: E: Unable to locate package simplescreenrecorder
[17:11] <tomreyn> mojtaba: looks like it wasn't packages under this name until 17.10. maybe it's called differently before this, or not in earlier ubuntu releases, yet.
[17:11] <mojtaba> tomreyn: I just followed the command on the website, for debian.
[17:12] <d3bug> quick question... i know the normal swapfile size is 1:1 with RAM, but I have 16GB... is it really necessary to make that large a swapfile or can i get away with something smaller?
[17:12] <tomreyn> mojtaba: you don't run debian, though. ;) on ubuntu 16.04 it's available from the getdeb.org repository, but probably also other PPAs.
[17:13] <mojtaba> tomreyn: hmm, yes.
[17:13] <mojtaba> tomreyn: Have you tested it before?
[17:13] <vixenv4> hii
[17:13] <sonicwind> d3bug, look into the program swapspace... it can create and manage (and reduce) the swap file dynamically as needed
[17:13] <tomreyn> mojtaba: no, i have never used it, i just noticed it's getting regular updates and the GUI looks good enough to me.
[17:14] <tomreyn> mojtaba: also the feature list sounds good
[17:14] <d3bug> sonicwind:  I don't have it installed yet (ubuntu).  I wanted to make a static swap partition actually.
[17:14] <mojtaba> tomreyn: thanks.
[17:14] <sonicwind> ok
[17:15] <d3bug> so, with 16GB of RAM, how much do I actually need (where are the diminishing returns) ?
[17:16] <nik90> mojtaba: sry, just saw your msg. I haven't hit that error. Btw SimpleScreenRecorder is also an excellent recorder.
[17:16] <nik90> Those 2 are the only ones I have tried
[17:16] <nik90> They are older apps, but work well under Xorg.
[17:17] <tomreyn> d3bug: if you're going to suspend to disk, you'll need as much as you'll ever fill your ram,
[17:18] <tomreyn> d3bug: if not, and if you don't mind the oom killer, you can get away with a fraction, like 500MB or 1GB
[17:18] <d3bug> tomreyn: aaah ok, so it uses the swap partition for suspend to disk as well then?
[17:19] <tomreyn> d3bug: yes, this is pretty much going to be the only time when more than just a little bit of it is going to be used on this system of yours, i guess.
[17:19] <tomreyn> d3bug: that's unless you'll regularly require all of the 16 GB RAM (and more)
[17:20] <d3bug> tomreyn:  I doubt it... the only time I use alot of RAM is compiling because I tend to do other things while it's building.
[17:21] <d3bug> tomreyn:  so, I'll make it 16GB+1GB for breathing room... :)
[17:22] <tomreyn> d3bug: running VMs would be the common reason why you'd actually allocate this much ram. maybe compression, too, compiling probably not as much, that's usually more cpu bound.
[17:22] <tomreyn> video editing, too, i guess. i dont do this.
[17:22] <tomreyn> + 3d rendering
[17:23] <d3bug> tomreyn:  well, I guess I am good then. :)
[17:23] <tomreyn> though that's mostly going to land on the graphics card.
[17:25] <d3bug> tomreyn:  I think I am fine there... Sapphire Nitro+ RX480 8GB
[17:25] <tomreyn> yes, probably
[17:25] <mojtaba> Is there any way to start recording the desktop using Kazam through command line?
[17:26] <tomreyn> mojtaba: does it have a --help or --usage output?
[17:26] <tomreyn> or a man page?
[17:29] <oerheks> we are the RT manual \0/ .. not
[17:30] <d3bug> bbl... thanks for the help
[17:31] <mojtaba> tomreyn: yes, thanks
[17:56] <Ghosthree3> is there a way to pull the latest archlinux.org news post to the terminal
[17:57] <Ghosthree3> so when pacman craps itself i just run that and dont have to open a browser
[17:57] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: wrong chan? :)
[17:58] <raidghost> blackflow: Seems like he might need some glasses, if he/she sees #ubuntu as #arch :p
[18:02] <Ghosthree3> blackflow: oops, yes
[18:02] <xubuntu1804> Why is my /var/log/auth.log , [ grep pam_kwallet /var/log/auth.log ] , have many entries of;  lightdm: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory  lightdm: PAM adding faulty module: pam_kwallet.so
[18:02] <sonicwind> :-)
[18:03] <i4i> Very strange things that in Ubuntu still present a bug with shortcuts in non-latin keyboard mode... There is not working CTRL+C CTRL+V etc default keyboard shortcuts... And as I see that this bug is present from previous versions of Ubuntu... 13.x and higher... Maybe present some solution for Ubuntu 18.04?
[18:03] <xubuntu1804> o/s, xubuntu-18.04 fully up-to-date   uname -a Linux 'name' 4.15.0-24-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 13 08:44:47 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:04] <i4i> I try to use some advice from linux forum and kill ibus processes but after that keyboard and mouse not react and I can't type anything... But CTRL+SHIFT+BACKSPACE is still working
[18:04] <i4i> Maybe present some solution or temporary fix?
[18:04] <linocisco> hi all
[18:05] <i4i> This is very old and annoing bug!
[18:05] <linocisco> Except imagemagick, which can be used to combine all jpgs to one single pdf?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> linocisco: have you tryed inkscape?
[18:06] <linocisco> lotuspsychje, not yet. I thought it is like adobe illustrator or indesign for vector?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> linocisco: it has some pdf features too, but not sure if you wish has it also
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> linocisco: i know its also used to edit pdf's so..
[18:07] <linocisco> lotuspsychje, i know pdfsam but which can merge only pdfs. not from jpg
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> i4i: did you actually file a bug?
[18:09] <i4i> This problem is posted many times
[18:10] <i4i> I don't think that is good idea to duplicate bug posts again
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> i4i: have you added yourself affected to the existing bug then?
[18:10] <i4i> Y ofcourse
[18:11] <i4i> lotuspsychje, I can't use shortcuts in non-latin mode
[18:11] <i4i> But not in all apps... In some apps it's working goo
[18:11] <i4i> d
[18:11] <i4i> In XChat it working properly
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> i4i: you have bug url please?
[18:12] <i4i> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1226962
[18:13] <oerheks> "in some" makes it curious
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> i4i: 18.04 doenst have unity..
[18:13] <i4i> But in my Ubuntu 18.04 Budgie no Unity
[18:13] <i4i> Yes right but problem is the same
[18:14] <oerheks> it all depends what apps, QT, gtk, java ..
[18:14] <oerheks> i see fixes for java, so it all is a little unclear
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> i4i: did you upgrade or clean install budgie?
[18:19] <i4i> lotuspsychje, it was clean install
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> i4i: as your bionic budgie is different from xenial, i would try a new bug perhaps
[18:23] <i4i> lotuspsychje, yes it's not xenial
[18:23] <i4i> And this bug very annoying at work...
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> i4i: yes..you already said that
[18:24] <i4i> For example I open Sublime Text 3 and in non-latin mode CTRL+C CTRL+V and etc is not working...
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> i4i: help yourself & the community, file a new bug and fill in what you have tested
[18:24] <i4i> Where to create this bug?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> i4i: from a terminal: ubuntu-bug yourpackage
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> i4i: then follow the procedure on your screen, and fill in all the details/story of what happens in your system
[18:27] <i4i> And how can I understand which package I must to point?
[18:28] <i4i> lotuspsychje, I don't know with which package of ubuntu this bug is?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> i4i: the package affected
[18:29] <ioria> i4i, are you sure it's not a program language setting issue ?
[18:30] <gambl0re> hello?
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> !ask | gambl0re
[18:30] <i4i> ioria, what do you mean by that?
[18:30] <anondye_> what he is saying is dont make line brakes
[18:30] <anondye_> like this
[18:30] <anondye_> to finnish things
[18:31] <ioria> i4i, it was just an idea: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167687
[18:31] <anondye_> type your entire question like this so that people can read it and not have line breaks and have to search the chat
[18:36] <Jared> Hey all, I have a problem setting up my Wifi to work on Ubuntu. I get the error "Wifi Adapter is not found". I have ran lspci and  cannot find any netowrk controller in this list; only an ethernet controller, which is what I'm using now to chat. And advice?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> Jared: could you hastebin us the output of: sudo lshw -C network
[18:38] <Jared> Here you are: https://pastebin.com/xB3Z5cMy
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> Jared: only ethernet card indeed, wich ubuntu version is that? did you disable secureboot and fastboot?
[18:40] <Ubu-1604> question : I always use the 'software updater' icon to get OS updates, and they always work well. but using the 'Ubuntu Software' icon it says I have software updates to install.  I saw a youtube video of this as well and they didn't know the difference either.  Should i just ignore the ubuntu software screen?  Hope that made some sence.
[18:40] <i4i> anondye_, ioria, this bug is present in bug list and present from Ubuntu 13.x...
[18:41] <Jared> lotuspsychje: It's 18.04. I have disabled secure boot in the BIOS, though haven't seen anything about fastboot. Should I restart and look for that in my BIOS?
[18:41] <i4i> With different variations of detection and apps
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> Jared: yeah plz try, do you recall wich wifi chipset you have exactly?
[18:42] <ioria> i4i, yes,but have you tried to set/tweak the language settings of your app ?
[18:42] <jatto> Hello. Anyone knows how to set the domain name in 18.04 ?
[18:43] <Jared> lotuspsychje: I'm not quite sure. I haven't found a way to get any info on a Wifi Card in this laptop so far; it really won't recognize it.
[18:43] <i4i> ioria, what do you mean? I do many thing but no luck then going to asking an advice here
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> Jared: perhaps if you lookup your right model, you might see
[18:43] <i4i> jatto, in /etc/hosts
[18:44] <alumno> Que es esto?
[18:44] <i4i> jatto, you can simply edit the string with ip adress and hostname
[18:44] <Jared> lotuspsychje: oh that's a good idea, let me see if I can  find this laptop online anywhere
[18:44] <jatto> i4i: I've edited /etc/hosts but I still get inconsistent results with  hostname and hostname --fqdn
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !es | alumno
[18:45] <i4i> jatto, can you pastebin your file?
[18:45] <i4i> jatto, there is two files /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[18:46] <i4i> jatto, you was edited both?
[18:46] <jatto> i4i: /etc/hostname  only contain the hostname, not FQDN
[18:48] <tomreyn> Jared: what's the output of: sudo dmidecode --type system | grep -i product
[18:51] <xubuntu1804> !patience found it! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1309535/  explanation on the faulty module warning: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1309535/comments/18
[18:51] <Jared> tomreyn: HP ENVY x360 PC
[18:52] <xubuntu1804> thanks for looking
[18:52] <tomreyn> Jared: hmm okay that's actually nto the full model name. it probably says on the bottmo near the battery, possibly in grey font on silver.
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> !yay | xubuntu1804
 <-- thank you
[18:54] <Jared> tomreyn: I get the following when I run sudo lshw, see here: https://pastebin.com/xzvCGfA5
[18:55] <Jared> I've been trying to find info on it's Wifi card ... this might be a dumb question, but it is basically guaranteed that it has one, right? I mean why would a laptop ship without one lol
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> Jared: laptop that recent, would surely have one yeah
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> Jared: but some chipsets are blocked due uefi settings..or perhaps might need kernel parameter
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> Jared: is your system up to date also?
[18:56] <i4i> jatto, ok what do you want to do?
[18:57] <Jared> lotuspsychje: Recently it said all my software was update. Do you mean running sudo apt-get upgrade though? I'm not sure, let me try
[18:57] <tomreyn> Jared: not guaranteed, but very likely, yes. this model seems to have a combined broadcom wifi and bluetooth chipset.
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> Jared: yes, check also wich kernel version you are on please
[18:59] <tomreyn> Jared: or just post dmesg: dmesg | pastebinit
[19:00] <Jared> I'm on version 4.15.0-23-generic
[19:00] <jatto> i4i: I belive I've foud the issue. with just "hostname" ubuntu shouws the full FQDN, while debian does not. This got me confused
[19:01] <Jared> tomreyn:  Here's that pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/znVdYqnhBh/
[19:02] <Jared> I think I might reboot and look for the fastboot option to see if it's disabled. I know secureboot is but I didn't check that
[19:02] <Jared> That sound like a plan? Ill hop back on if  it doesnt work
[19:03] <tomreyn> Jared: you have a very old bios (F.07 07/11/2014) there, should get https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-envy-15-u000-x360-convertible-pc/6944194/model/7242141/swItemId/ob-214148-1
[19:04] <tomreyn> Jared: sure, just reboot
[19:04] <qwebirc95198> hello i have problem when i type sudo apt-get upgrade i have this error "Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives
[19:05] <qwebirc95198> who can help me please ?
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95198: have you added external ppa's to your system?
[19:06] <qwebirc95198> no
[19:06] <Jared_> sorry I dced. So I should install that new BIOS?
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> Jared_: if a new version available, always wise to install yeah
[19:07] <tomreyn> Jared_: i'm still looking at your dmesg output. so sure, why not, it may fix it already.
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> Jared_: also have a look in your uefi settins too ok, are you singlebooting or dualboot?
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95198: can you hastebin us your sources.list please ?
[19:08] <Jared_> lotuspsychje: If by "singlebooting" you mean that ubuntu is my only OS then yes, im singlebooting. Otherwise I'm not sure I understand the term.
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> !sources | qwebirc95198
[19:09] <Jared_> Let me download that firmware pack though
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> Jared_: ok yes tnx, usually for ubuntu single install you can disable fastboot & secureboot
[19:09] <qwebirc95198> lotuspychje i don't know which way i can pastebin ?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> !paste | qwebirc95198
[19:10] <Jared_> qwebirc95198: I just sudo apt-get install pastebinit and then redirect any program output to pastebinit, like <program> | pastebinit
[19:11] <qwebirc95198> now what i can to do ? :( i don't understan
[19:12] <tomreyn> !pastebinit| qwebirc95198
[19:12] <Jared_> Ok so I downloaded that firmware upgrade and it won't open it. I get "An error occured while loading the archive". Do I need like winzip or something?
[19:13] <Jared_> winrar**, not winzip
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95198: for us to help you, we need to see whats happening in your system= paste
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> Jared_: for uefi/bios firmware upgrades, check the official hp manuals
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> Jared_: mostly you will need to burn on cd or usb, then follow the procedure described on their website
[19:15] <Jared_> lotuspsychje: ok, will do. For now I'm going to reboot and look for anything called secureboot or fastboot in my BIOS. I know secureboot is disabled but not sure about fastboot. Anything else I should look for? Ill come back afterwards
[19:15] <qwebirc95198> okey now i need install what ?
[19:15] <Guest31346> Yo, new to Linux in general, anyone know where or how find the drivers I need for stuff? Running Ubuntu Mate.
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> Jared_: yeah check also if you find wifi settings, or a wifi switch
[19:16] <bradley> who runs mint?
[19:16] <Jared_> Will do. Ill take pictures and put on imgur or something
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> !ot | bradley
[19:16] <ioria> Jared_, anything related to wifi card; if you find it 'enabled', diasable it,reboot and enable again
[19:16] <Jared_> ok will do ioria
[19:16] <tomreyn> Jared_: also look for bluetooth
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> Guest31346: define 'stuff' please?
[19:17] <Jared_> Alright wish me luck guys. I'll report back
[19:17] <ioria> good luck
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:17] <tomreyn> Jared_: sp88691.exe is a (windows) self-extracting zip archive, including 3 .bin files, which are probably bios variants for different variants of envy x360, or different devices in your computer.
[19:18] <tomreyn> (we can discuss this later)
[19:18] <oerheks> bradley, mint has its own issues, and polling here is useless
[19:18] <Guest31346> My headphone jacks don't work, and my mousepad won't work how it does in Windows. Other than that, everything seems to work fine. My suspicion is that the drivers for them don't work in Mate.
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Guest31346 start here
[19:20] <qwebirc95198> it's my error https://ibb.co/iFL8ST
[19:20] <Guest31346> Is Volume Control the same as Volume?
[19:21] <ioria> qwebirc95198, reboot
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95198: reboot and update system first before you install software
[19:22] <qwebirc95198> so thanks for this support ! this ubuntu channel is really best support
[19:22] <qwebirc95198> @ioria thanks
[19:22] <qwebirc95198> lotuspych thanks
[19:22] <ioria> qwebirc95198, ok
[19:29] <qwebirc91755> :/ i type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade but i get it https://ibb.co/chAKZ8
[19:29] <qwebirc91755> i don't know what i can to do now ?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc91755: press TAB to goto ok
[19:31] <qwebirc91755> oh -_-  lotuspychje so Thank you very much <3
[19:33] <Ubu-1604> bbl .. buying pet food
[19:41] <foodSurplus> hey friendos
[19:42] <foodSurplus> can you guys recommend me some games i can play in an intel Atom with 2gigs of ram
[19:42] <foodSurplus> with ubuntu and fluxbox
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> foodSurplus: we usually dont take polls here, but there's an active #gamingonlinux community if you want
[19:42] <foodSurplus> ohok
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> foodSurplus: lots of 2d games in software center you can try
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> foodSurplus: or less high end games...
[19:43] <foodSurplus> oh ok
[19:44] <qwebirc91029> Hey I'm having a heck of a time getting a server install of 18.04 working. It seems to install normally, but on first boot goes to grub rescue. Installing on a Dell R710 2x6core proccessors with 64GB ram, 6x4TB HD setup with a hardware raid 10. Installing using basic 'use entire disk' partitioning.
[19:44] <foodSurplus> ill have to see how to load itup
[19:44] <foodSurplus> from console
[19:44] <foodSurplus> oh i have another question
[19:44] <foodSurplus> can i stop certian packagesfrom updating
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc91029: see our server channel @ ubuntu-server they might help you on it
[19:45] <foodSurplus> i have mono and mono-devel, and i want to not update them with apt upgrade
[19:45] <foodSurplus> they are huge compared to the rest
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> foodSurplus: its not wise to not-update your system..
[19:45] <foodSurplus> i just want to hold back mono from updating
[19:45] <foodSurplus> right now, because its pulling so much data, i cant upgrade the rest of my system
[19:46] <foodSurplus> but im not 100% sure im ready to delte mono for good
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> foodSurplus: connect to faster wifi/eth and update?
[19:46] <foodSurplus> what would you tell someone in africa with no fast net
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> foodSurplus: running ubuntu with old packages is a security risk
[19:47] <foodSurplus> oh
[19:47] <foodSurplus> lol
[19:47] <foodSurplus> can i see what programs uses mono
[19:48] <memphisto> foodSurplus: sudo apt-mark hold <package-name>
[19:48] <memphisto> foodSurplus: then upgrade
[19:48] <foodSurplus> thank you
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> afterwards you will need to update mono anyway..
[19:49] <foodSurplus> is there a way i can see what depends on a package
[19:50] <memphisto> foodSurplus: apt-cache rdepends <pkg_name>
[19:51] <memphisto> foodSurplus: there should be also apt rdepends
[19:51] <DarekDeo> ubuntu 18.04 gnome, ive updated system from 16.04. to search for new system updates I have to use apt update. Nothing regarding updates is displayed in gnome-software app, how can i fix that? I have different machine running fresh installed 18.04 and updates do appear in gnome-software
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | DarekDeo
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: not reccomended to upgrade yet
[19:54] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje: do you mean - never do ltsupgrade? :d
[19:55] <DarekDeo> woops, did not read 2 next messages. I've upgraded from 16.04 to 17.04 when it was released, then ive upgraded to 18.04
[19:55] <DarekDeo> 17.10*
[19:55] <DarekDeo> in between
[19:56] <DarekDeo> i think system was originally installed as 16.04, but I was upgrading it every 6 months
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: your version of gnome-software?
[19:57] <DarekDeo> 3.28.1
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> 3.28.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> should be it yes
[19:58] <DarekDeo> i was using gnome3 flavour before 17.10
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: can you try to launch it from terminal? perhaps we can see some usefull errors?
[19:58] <DarekDeo> sure
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: are you sure also, there are updates? and your system is not already latest?
[19:59] <DarekDeo> flatpak and (I think) snap updates do appear in gnome-software, I just have nothing regarding apt
[20:00] <DarekDeo> I am sure, I am experiencing it since upgrade to 17.10. whenever i search for new updates in gnome-software I get nothing, but then when I type in terminal apt update I am getting lots of updates
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: have you tryed to purge gnome-software, clean configs and reinstall?
[20:01] <DarekDeo> which do not appear later in gnome-software even if apt -list -upgradable contains lots of updates
[20:02] <hidef> Hi there is a program i tried to get rid off its stuck in my application menu the name is Edraw
[20:02] <DarekDeo> yes, ive tried to purge gnome-software, it should clean all configs?
[20:02] <hidef> I tried all autoremove and purge options but the program button is still there and working when i open it please help
[20:03] <Jared> Alright, I'm back.  Anyways, here are the photos from the reboot: https://imgur.com/a/usgyuof
[20:03] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje: runned gnome-software from terminal but I am not getting any logs, is there any debug param to see logs?
[20:04] <Jared> Problem still persists though; whether that "INternal Networker Adapter Boot"  is on or off, I still get a "Wifi Adapter not found"
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> Jared: hmm weird
[20:05] <Guest31346> Managed to get my headphones working. Thanks!
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Guest31346
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: try clean cache perhaps /home/cache/ gnome-software
[20:05] <SimonNL> Guest31346: So glad you made it
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> Jared: at ubuntu setup, did you enable updates during setup and 3rd party software?
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> hidef: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[20:07] <Jared> lotuspsychje: Aww shoot, I can't quite remember. I think I did though, but not sure ...
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> Jared: can you recall if you had wifi icon in setup?
[20:08] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje: removed cache/gnome-software and did apt purge gnome-software, updates list is still empty, even when I refresh it gnome-software says there are no new updates
[20:08] <Jared> lotuspsychje: OH yes, shit I meant to mention this. The first day I had ubuntu on I very briefly had a Wifi connection, but is was very slow I think
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: out of ideas then, other then try a live/clean install on that machine..
[20:09] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje: yeah, thinking about it too, thanks for help anyways ;)
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> Jared: so..if you had wifi at setup once, it must be something else...
[20:11] <Jared> lotuspsychje: I know my Wifi is fine rn, it
[20:12] <Jared> lotuspsychje: it is up and running on my other devices.
[20:12] <hidef> lotus I don't know I tried this edraw software and and its junk it's like its installed but its not
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> Jared: no i mean your chipset wifi on your pc
[20:12] <Jared> lotuspsychje: oh ok, gotcha
[20:14] <tomreyn> Jared: if you'd set "legacy support" = disabled in bios, would ubuntu still boot?
[20:15] <Jared> tomreyn: hmm, not sure, didn't try it. Want me to give it a shot?
[20:16] <tomreyn> Jared: if it's not going to take you too long, give it a try.
[20:16] <hidef> Lotus: so when I click app menu its still there and you can open it if I right click and details its not showing up in installed software I checked home folder etc nothing
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> how did you install it hidef ?
[20:16] <Jared> tomreyn: will do. I'll brb
[20:16] <tomreyn> ok
[20:18] <hidef> Lotus:tar -zxvf edrawmax-9-64-en.tar.gz
[20:18] <hidef> chmod +x EdrawMax-9-64.run
[20:18] <hidef> sudo ./EdrawMax-9-64.run in that order
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> hidef: whereis edrawmax from terminal
[20:19] <hidef> can't find it anymore thats the problem lolz
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> hidef: i mean, its the command from terminal: whereis
[20:20] <hidef> yes
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> hidef: so? does it find a dir?
[20:21] <hidef> usr/local/bin/edrawmax
[20:22] <Jared_> YOOOO that did it tomreyn ! Im talking through WiFi now! When I disabled it, I had to redisable secure boot and enable the "Internal Networker Adapter Boot", but I'm up and running! Thanks everyone
[20:22] <hidef> so what you think ?
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | tomreyn
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> hidef: you found the dir, remove?
[20:23] <hidef> ok I try hold
[20:24] <lesshaste> 2graphix
[20:26] <sal002> Hi - the graphical installer for 18.04 keepts crashing (just opens and closes quickly)   What is the command line to run it so I can see if it gives any indication why
[20:27] <hidef> Lotus: would this be correct : sudo rm -rf /usr/bin/edrawmax
[20:27] <hidef> ??
[20:28] <stelios> Hello
[20:28] <stelios> Can anyone read this?
[20:28] <hidef> HI yes
[20:28] <stelios> Alright wonderful!
[20:28] <stelios> Looks like i set it up correctly
[20:29] <Randolf> Hello stelios.
[20:29] <stelios> Hello, Randolf!
[20:29] <stelios> So uh, I assume i can ask questions about Linux here?
[20:31] <hidef> you sure can Ubuntu most likley
[20:31] <hidef> Lotus: still on ?
[20:31] <Randolf> stelios: Yes.  If it's Ubuntu-specific, then that's even better.
[20:31] <stelios> Alright, wonderful!
[20:32] <stelios> So I play videogames as a passtime, and I've discovered Wine and such, but are there any repos for videogames exclusively, besides multiverse and universe?
[20:32] <hidef> steam
[20:33] <stelios> I already have that! Anything else?
[20:33] <Randolf> Just about any game written in Java will work on Ubuntu Linux.
[20:33] <Randolf> You'll just need to make sure you have Java installed.
[20:33] <stelios> Alright, thank you!
[20:33] <hidef> not that i know off but that mean nothing ... :)
[20:34] <hidef> Randolf how do I delete this /usr/bin/edrawmax ?
[20:35] <hidef> sudo apt-get purge /usr/bin/edrawmax ... tried this but
[20:35] <tomreyn> stelios: there are several games in ubuntu's default repositories. others can be installed from third party software repositories, but those ar enot supported. playdeb.net for example. and if you're on 18.04 you can also install games via snaps, so from the software center.
[20:35] <hidef> came back with this E: Unsupported file /usr/bin/edrawmax given on commandline
[20:35] <sal002> Anyone know how to start the installer from the command line?
[20:36] <Jared> Ok,well, I had to reboot one last time but I think I'm good now.  Thanks for the help everyone :)
[20:36] <tomreyn> Jared: i would still reocmmend you do the bios upgrade
[20:36] <tomreyn> Jared: glad it worked out with wireless, though
[20:37] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Not messed about with it .. but there is a new snap store: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/07/online-snap-app-store .
[20:37] <Jared> tomreyn: I will get around to it soon, I'm sure. I'll have to find a spare flashdrive to put it on though... anyways thanks again! Now I can sudo apt-get to my hearts content haha.  I think Im gonna like linux
[20:38] <HelloBeer> Hi everyone. Since a few days (I don't know exactly) I can not see categories of applications in the ubuntu software store. Is this a update or a bug ? I'm onubuntu 16.04. Thanks !
[20:39] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: yes, i know about software center?
[20:40] <oerheks> snapstore equals softwarecenter, but it takes comandline to get edge packages
[20:52] <mib_mib> hi all - how can i set UFW to disable all outgoing external traffic, while allowing outgoing traffic on the local network?
[20:54] <sal002> When I try to run pkexec ubiquity, I get the screen temporarily then a "bus error: - core dump
[20:54] <hggdh> mib_mib: I am not sure I understand what you want. Can you please expand?
[20:55] <mib_mib> hggdh: sure - i have a server inside of a VPN - and I'd like to prevent people from downloading things on it, so I want to take it offline essentially, but using UFW - i.e. disallow users connected to make external web requests from it
[20:56] <mib_mib> hggdh: of course, it still needs to allow traffic to and from the server on local ip addresses
[20:56] <mib_mib> something like, default deny outgoing, with allow from 192.168.*.* or something
[20:56] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: oh you didnt actually mean software center, sorry, got you wrong there. i assume you maybe wanted to address stelios also.
[20:59] <hggdh> mib_mib: you add a rule to allow internal traffic, then allow from the server to outside, then deny all others
[20:59] <hggdh> mib_mib: of course, the the internal users go to the server to get outside, you might have problems
[20:59] <mib_mib> hggdh: no, they are on a vpn
[21:00] <mib_mib> so its internal traffic
[21:00] <mib_mib> hggdh: nah thats not what i want, i want to prevent them from making external web requests
[21:01] <hggdh> mib_mib: how many interfaces?
[21:03] <mib_mib> not sure is that relevant?
[21:03] <mib_mib> just 1 i think
[21:03] <hpelitebook> ciao
[21:04] <mib_mib> well now i'm confused, if a person wants to make a web request FROM the server, say a curl or what not
[21:04] <Sveta> is the data for https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/ available online in json format or something similar?
[21:04] <hggdh> mib_mib: then you allow from internal network to internal network, and block from internal network to any
[21:04] <mib_mib> i assume thats considered outgoing
[21:04] <hggdh> mib_mib: yes, this is why I was asking
[21:04] <mib_mib> okay well this is on an aws vpc
[21:05] <mib_mib> let me see, i guess i'll look at the internal ips, they are like 172.31.xx.xx
[21:06] <mib_mib> so, do i need a default deny out or anything like that?
[21:08] <hggdh> mib_mib: yes, you will have a genery deny at the end
[21:09] <mib_mib> so something like `ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/16`
[21:09] <hggdh> mib_mib: you probably should have (1) allow local IP any, then allow <IP_ADDRESS>/16 any to <IP_ADDRESS>/16 any, then block <IP_ADDRESS>/16 any
[21:10] <hggdh> mib_mib: for both TCP and UDP, I guess
[21:10] <mib_mib> oh right, hmmmm
[21:10] <mib_mib> well i'm not sure i need udp on this machine, probably only on the vpn machine
[21:11] <mib_mib> still, this is complicated.. hmmmm
[21:11] <mib_mib> i'm not sure thats 100% right
[21:11] <hggdh> mib_mib: neither am I :-) difficult to say not knowing the network
[21:12] <hggdh> mib_mib: but the basis is first allow what you want, then block
[21:12] <mib_mib> hggdh: is there a point to using 'any'?
[21:12] <mib_mib> isnt that by default?
[21:12] <manny> Hi. Anyone knows how to install system-monitor applet in the topbar on 18.04 without installing browsers and browser extensions? This used to work
[21:13] <mib_mib> why not just this: ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/16 to <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[21:13] <mib_mib> just all protocols i guess right
[21:14] <hggdh> mib_mib: this could work as well. Keep in mind that the default for ufw (and many others) is block incoming, allow outgoing
[21:15] <mib_mib> hggdh: so how do i allow all protocols, with this command: ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/16 to <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[21:15] <mib_mib> i.e. where do i put the 'any'
[21:18] <hggdh> mib_mib: if you do not specify TCP or UDP, it is valid for both
[21:18] <Strollman> how do i become linux/ubuntu l33t?
[21:18] <mib_mib> alrighty cool
[21:21] <hggdh> Strollman: by studying and trying, from the simple stuff first
[21:23] <Strollman> hggdh, i've been using ubuntu for a while but most of the stuff here goes over my head
[21:24] <hdfhj> whats the comand line to display files sizez invar/log dir ??
[21:24] <Strollman> ls -a?
[21:25] <mfaroukg> what is the issue with apache2 suddenly
[21:26] <qwebirc15849> hello i want install w3af for my ubuntu 18.04 TLS 64-bit
[21:26] <hggdh> Strollman: grab an introductory-level UNIX/Linux book, read it & try. There is really no other way
[21:27] <sal002> Hello - is there a command-line installer installed in the normal 18.04 live CD?
[21:28] <Strollman> hggdh, recommend intro text plz
[21:28] <hdfhj> Strollman: ar you sure just ls -a without specifying the directory ??
[21:28] <ppf> sal002: why?
[21:29] <hggdh> hdfhj: ls -l /the/directory/you/want
[21:29] <Strollman> hdfhj, when in dir ofcourse if not specify
[21:30] <Strollman> hggdh, why not ls -a?
[21:30] <oerheks> or ls -la
[21:30] <sal002> Anyone else have ubiquity crash right away? I checked the iso and it appears accurate
[21:30] <confluency> Why -a? There are no hidden files in /var/log.
[21:30] <ppf> sal002: how is it crashing?
[21:31] <ppf> like, what's the error ^^
[21:31] <hggdh> Strollman: ls -a displays the names of all files, hidden or not, but not the size
[21:31] <oerheks> sal002, depends more likely on your system/gpu
[21:31] <confluency> And -a does not default to long listing. So no sizes.
[21:31] <confluency> Unless you've aliased it to that, and forgotten about it.
[21:31] <Strollman> hggdh, true thanks
[21:31] <sal002> Just opens briefly and crashes.  Says bus error when I launch it via terminal
[21:31] <sal002> What is a good way to enable safe graphics mode on the live CD?
[21:32] <ppf> same way you'd do it for a regular system, add the flags to the kernel commandline
[21:32] <oerheks> depends on your videocard likely
[21:32] <sal002> (which is what I forgot how rto do) :)
[21:32] <Strollman> hggdh, still waiting on your recommend for intro text?
[21:33] <ppf> !nomodeset | always an option
[21:33] <hggdh> Strollman: cannot do that, been a long time I looked at any beginners book. But I am pretty sure there are tons of suggestions on-line
[21:34] <Strollman> hggdh, what are you currently reading?
[21:34] <oerheks> you
[21:36] <sal002> still crashes with nomodeset
[21:38] <hggdh> Strollman: a book on thermodynamics... nothing to do with Linux
[21:38] <confluency> Strollman: do a search for linux shell tutorials. Look at the results. Pick the ones which focus on interactive use rather than writing scripts.
[21:38] <oerheks> sal002, time to give some specs then ..
[21:40] <confluency> Strollman: this isn't something that you learn by studying the theory. Its something you learn by doing it. I suggest that you try using a terminal instead of a file manager for file management tasks for a while -- this is one of the areas where the commandline is really efficient.
[21:40] <sal002> AMD Phenom II
[21:41] <sal002> Radeon RX 580
[21:41] <Strollman> confluency, never thought of the interactive use approach thanks, any book in mind?
[21:41] <hggdh> Strollman: and remember, man is your friend. "man ls", for example, will give you the most common options of the command
[21:41] <Strollman> hggdh, ok thanks
[21:41] <hggdh> Strollman: and, in fact, I learned UNIX reading man pages
[21:42] <Strollman> hggdh, man i hate man not for me
[21:42] <confluency> Strollman: your original question was kind of vague. I thought this is what you meant. What, specifically, do you want to learn about?
[21:43] <confluency> Strollman: if you refuse to use one of the primary references for the way programs work, you're going to have a bad time.
[21:44] <Vonologic> is there a way to install windows without a usb/cd? like creating a bootable partition or something
[21:44] <Strollman> confluency, i can use the command line for a session at a time but nothing beyond the basic stuff so i'd like to level up from there
[21:45] <confluency> Strollman: then look for some tutorials.
[21:45] <qwebirc99903> hello i installed w3af when i type ./w3af_gui i get this problem https://ibb.co/fgP248
[21:45] <oerheks> "how do i become linux/ubuntu l33t? " git clone http://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/man-pages/man-pages
[21:45] <confluency> Strollman: I have absolutely no idea which ones are good. I just googled.
[21:45] <Strollman> confluency, like which ones is what i'd like to know fyi i prefer books
[21:46] <confluency> Strollman: why do you prefer books?
[21:46] <ppf> qwebirc99903: the message is pretty self-explanatory
[21:46] <confluency> Strollman: I'm telling you that I don't know. Just pick one and try it. If it sucks, try a different one.
[21:46] <qwebirc99903> ppf which way i can fix it ?
[21:46] <Strollman> confluency, following up on the examples etc is easier and i generally just like reading
[21:46] <hggdh> Strollman, confluency: now it is the time to go to, say, #ubuntu-offtopic and keep this dialog there
[21:47] <hggdh> let's return to topic
[21:47] <XLV> Vonologic, PXE boot, look at serva https://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-install-any-version-windows-other-network-computers
[21:47] <ppf> qwebirc99903: so if this is an obstacle, maybe you shouldn't do software security?
[21:47] <Strollman> hggdh, oh sorry for that my fault
[21:47] <qwebirc99903> im security reseacher i need all software security like w3af and acunitex..
[21:48] <XLV> Vonologic, or you can use some winpe distro like medicat, copy all files to some ntfs formatted hdd/ssd, run setup.exe from that hdd/ssd and make sure you dont format that nfts hdd/ssd while you install on it
[21:48] <oerheks> qwebirc99903, heh, if you cannot read these clear hints in that screen, what are you researching: us?
[21:48] <Strollman> confluency, all in all thanks for trying am a lost retard but i'll find my way
[21:49] <qwebirc99903> before i start and work in windows :) and now i want know about linux and working in linux :)
[21:49] <Vonologic> XLV: thanks
[21:49] <XLV> Vonologic, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/copy-dism-to-another-computer
[21:49] <qwebirc99903> i don't know it's not shame i want learn
[21:51] <qwebirc99903> now anyone can help me for solve this problem ?https://ibb.co/fgP248
[21:52] <ppf> if this isn't self-explanatory then really no
[21:52] <qwebirc99903> what mean self-explanatory i don't understand
[21:52] <ppf> the error literally tells you what to do
[21:53] <oerheks> why would we type over what packages you need to install
[21:53] <oerheks> and not sure those dependencies will be met
[21:53] <qwebirc99903> yes i know it's say to install pip and i installed pip succesfuly but i don't know why i have problem
[21:54] <qwebirc99903> fucking ASK!
[21:55] <ppf> thx
[21:56] <qwebirc47066> reb
[21:56] <qwebirc47066> i fixed my problem :) Thanks for Fucking support ubuntu
[22:03] <lol-md5> i am trying to compile the Dymo SDK drivers so I can use my Dymo LabelWriter 450 printer on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. I have already installed gcc, libcups2-dev, and libcupsimage2-dev as per https://askubuntu.com/a/772201. ./configure ran successfully, however now i get the following error log when i run make: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/24v8Hrv5QJ/
[22:03] <lol-md5> what should i do?
[22:06] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install libcups2-dev libcupsimage2-dev gcc g++
[22:06] <lol-md5> i did that
[22:06] <oerheks> that is the line i find, missing g++ there
[22:06] <oerheks> oke
[22:08] <hggdh> lol-md5: you might have had some warnings when you ran configure about missing things. Try looking at the output of configure
[22:08] <lol-md5> ok
[22:08] <lol-md5> Try `/home/benjamin/code/downloads/dymo-cups-drivers-<IP_ADDRESS>/missing --help' for more information
[22:08] <lol-md5> configure: WARNING: `missing' script is too old or missing
[22:09] <lol-md5> missing script is missing :^)
[22:09] <hggdh> heh
[22:09] <lol-md5> oh it's just too old
[22:09] <lol-md5> what should i do?
[22:09] <sal002> Any other suggestions?
[22:10] <hggdh> lol-md5: IDK. Perhaps the driver source is not up-to-date? Very difficult to say
[22:10] <lol-md5> reeee
[22:10] <lol-md5> it's vendor hardware code
[22:10] <lol-md5> no way they're gonna upgrade it
[22:10] <hggdh> which does not mean it is compatible with *you* level of libraries, etc in your Ubuntu
[22:11] <hggdh> s/you/&r/
[22:11] <lol-md5> well autoreconf -fiv fixed the "missing script is old" warning, but not the compiler error
[22:15] <lol-md5> is there another channel i could ask in?
[22:15] <lol-md5> maybe #c++ or smth
[22:16] <dunnousernamefn> Hey, is there a way to make gedit not make a billion .goutputstream or whatever files in the current directory?
[22:17] <lol-md5> simple: don't use gedit
[22:17] <dunnousernamefn> but... but... syntax highlighting
[22:17] <lol-md5> nano has it
[22:17] <lol-md5> so does mousepad
[22:17] <dunnousernamefn> hmmm
[22:18] <dunnousernamefn> maybe nano
[22:18] <lol-md5> nano is comfy
[22:18] <dunnousernamefn> Maybe if I make a super huge terminal
[22:19] <lol-md5> what lol
[22:19] <lol-md5> why ?
[22:19] <dunnousernamefn> because 80x25 is just sad
[22:19] <lol-md5> ic
[22:19] <lol-md5> yeah 119×25 then :^)
[22:19] <lol-md5> i do 110×24,  typically
[22:20] <lol-md5> sometimes i make it taller
[22:20] <gigirock> dunnousernamefn: make a script on exit , rm
[22:20] <dunnousernamefn> they don't stay there gigirock, it's just that they fill nautilus
[22:20] <dunnousernamefn> lol-md5, don't you say a thing about nautilus lol
[22:21] <gigirock> dunnousernamefn: use mc
[22:21] <lol-md5> :)
[22:21] <lol-md5> no no use your shell
[22:21] <lol-md5> cd ls
[22:21] <dunnousernamefn> lol
[22:21] <lol-md5> nah i like thunar tho cause it still has the type to autocomplete thing that they yanked out of nautilus in favor of the much slower search
[22:21] <gigirock> year of study and development for graphical desktop.....
[22:23] <gigirock> dunnousernamefn: make a modfication to the filesystem so it doesn't display those file anymore
[22:23] <dunnousernamefn> I'll make it a kernel module too
[22:23] <dunnousernamefn> I'll train gedit by panicking whenever I find one
[22:24] <gigirock> dunnousernamefn: yes u r on the right way
[22:24] <Biessie> I just upgraded about 55 new upgrades. it's been about 7-10 days since i ran the command. i usually run it daily. should i reboot or its not needed?
[22:25] <gigirock> Biessie: yes reboot is a good idea... but also sudo apt autoremove
[22:25] <Biessie> just finished that :)
[22:25] <Biessie> thanks ill reboot shortly
[22:25] <dunnousernamefn> ubuntu keeps wanting to screw up my graphics drivers and special PPA's
[22:26] <dunnousernamefn> My graphics driver issues come from the deepest chasm in hell
[22:26] <dunnousernamefn> I just hold the package
[22:26] <gigirock> dunnousernamefn: ubuntu want you become safe at next reboot
[22:27] <dunnousernamefn> no, but whenever I do something with the graphics drivers X windows stops working
[22:27] <dunnousernamefn> I can't login to the ubuntu DE
[22:27] <lol-md5> i got it to work!
[22:27] <lol-md5> it took much liberal use of #include <cups/ppd.h>
[22:27] <lol-md5> and one #include <stdio.h>
[22:28] <dunnousernamefn> I'm trying to compile something and literally every single function call causes a linking error
[22:28] <dunnousernamefn> On every compiler
[22:28] <dunnousernamefn> *clap*
[22:32] <ppf> that sounds like a layer 8 error
[22:33] <dunnousernamefn> probably, considering I had to look up 'layer 8'
[22:33] <ppf> :)
[22:33] <ppf> so what problem are you solving?
[22:33] <ppf> what's up with your compilation
[22:34] <dunnousernamefn> I'm not sure
[22:34] <dunnousernamefn> Like, I specify -l[...] but every command still fails
[22:34] <ppf> what are you compiling
[22:34] <dunnousernamefn> some bullet physics engine code
[22:35] <dunnousernamefn> The errors change (at least order) when I change the order of the arguments
[22:35] <ppf> that's probably a bit too specific for us to help with
[22:35] <ppf> linking is order sensitive
[22:35] <dunnousernamefn> that helps
[22:35] <ppf> but whoever provides the software should tell you how to build it
[22:35] <dunnousernamefn> I'll look into the order I'm linking stuff
[22:41] <dunnousernamefn> I think it might be related to my graphics driver error
[22:41] <dunnousernamefn> in addition to the order of the linking
[22:42] <ppf> how would that be related
[22:43] <dunnousernamefn> I got an error with libGL
[22:44] <dunnousernamefn> but the error... it keeps changing... I'll keep doing random things to see if it starts working
[22:44] <ppf> that sounds like a sane plan
[22:44] <ppf> if you pick a problem and spill some details, maybe we can help you a bit ;)
[22:45] <dunnousernamefn> tbh I think it's mostly related to what I'm doing; I wrote the code that uses all these libraries
[22:48] <dunnousernamefn> YUS I reinstalled the libraries and it works
[22:50] <Biessie> I have x11vnc running and about 50% of the time i change the size of a window.. (dragging the corner to resize) it shuts down the server. I must SSH back in and restart the server. What could cause that?
[22:51] <Biessie> or is there a better VNC server i should use?
[22:52] <Biessie> if it matters - 18.04 LTS is what i'm running and all my packages are up to date
[22:52] <gigirock> Biessie: better it depends from the de and what performances you need
[22:54] <Biessie> I dont really need the greatest performance. im just doing basic tasks
[22:54] <gigirock> Biessie: if you don't use graphical things ...............
[22:55] <Biessie> i am mostly using VNC to view images i have on the HDD and organize them in my web server folder.
[22:55] <XLV> Biessie, vino is the default one ubuntu uses and it works well https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-remote-desktop-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:55] <gabboman> Hi, I'm having problems with 18.04 and chrome: sometimes youtuber shutters
[22:55] <Biessie> family pics i am seperating into different catagories.. kids, grand parents, family holidays, etc
[22:56] <Biessie> XLV - Vino? Is it compatible with cinnamon? i would assume yes?
[22:56] <gigirock> Biessie: are u on ubuntu ?
[22:57] <Biessie> gigirock : yes i just changed my desktop from gnome to cinnamon. easier on my CPU
[22:57] <XLV> Biessie, its gonna load tons of gnome base packages, so idk about that but there are other vnc servers you can try eg https://linuxconfig.org/vnc-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:58] <Biessie> XLV : Ill check that link out. Thanks
[22:58] <XLV> also tightvncserver https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-18-04
[22:59] <gigirock> Biessie: keep in mind that every de has special conf about rdp , and also consider the 'remote' de , 3d de are so difficult for rdp
[23:00] <Biessie> Thanks XLV & gigirock. You guys gave me a good place to start. Ill take it from there.
[23:07] <SleePy> Appears in 18.04 if I install the package "php", apache is automatically installed.  Is there a simple way to not install apache?
[23:10] <gigirock> SleePy: did you install php-defaults ?
[23:10] <SleePy> Nope.  Ran: apt install nginx php mariadb-server php-mysql
[23:11] <SleePy> Install failed near the end with nginx-core.  Found that apache2 was running on port 80.  Found that php goes to 7.2 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/php7.2) which seems to install libapache2 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libapache2-mod-php7.2)
[23:12] <SleePy> For some reason, libapache is a dependency.  I want it to resolve other dependencies.  Just want it to ignore apache.  As that was annoying to fix
[23:12] <gigirock> SleePy: try to install php-defaults
[23:13] <Bitcoiner69> how can i delay like a service from starting for example a 1 minute delay on ufw and deluge
[23:14] <SleePy> gigirock: Will try next time.  Annoying I have to specify -defaults, but good to know when I spin up another test vm
[23:14] <SleePy> Actually, getting a message that php-defaults doesn't exist :\
[23:15] <Bitcoiner69> server
[23:40] <NetEcho> hey folks I'm looking at virtualizing ubuntu from my windows rig and am wondering what typer 2 hypervisor seems to have better performance overall especially in the graphical side of things for running a full DE like KDE or Unity?  I have access to VMWare Workstation Pro 14 , VirtualBox and Microsoft Hyper-V
[23:44] <gogeta> #NetEcho kde these days is nearly as light as xfce
[23:44] <NetEcho> really? dang I remember when that was the heaviest DE out there lol
[23:45] <bapa> NetEcho: It is, really. It's a miracle. KDE is actually *fast* now... and very light on RAM... I don't know what universe I'm in anymore.
[23:45] <bapa> Gnome 3 on my box takes up 1.3 to 1.5 GB on boot, and KDE only takes about 700 MB.
[23:46] <bapa> And the box seems much, much snappier under KDE than GNome.
[23:46] <bapa> Not that you're comparing Gnome (it's KDE -vs- Unity), but still...
[23:46] <NetEcho> yea that's really hard to believe (at least until I set up some VMs) wow good job kde
[23:46] <dunnousernamefn> IIRC some packages/libraries have a -dbg variant. Does that mean they are compiled with -g in addition to having -dev headers?
[23:47] <bapa> dunnousernamefn: I think they're just the debug symbols, not binaries.
[23:48] <bapa> the -dbg packages, I mean
[23:48] <jatto> Hello. How do I change dns settings via cli iin 18-04?   /etc/resolv.conf says not to edit that file...
[23:48] <dunnousernamefn> don't the debug symbols need to be built into the libraries though
[23:48] <NetEcho> looks like vmware may be out of the running already lol says my system can't support a 64bit guest even though it most definitely can
[23:48] <bapa> I can only assume that all pkgs I are built with debug symbols on Ubuntu, but they're stripped and stuffed into their own ELF files (which only contain debug data, and have no executable code and other data, and cannot be executed or linked against).
[23:49] <dunnousernamefn> hmmm
[23:49] <dunnousernamefn> I didn't know that was possible
[23:49] <bapa> dunnousernamefn: No. You can move the debug symbols into separate files, and you just need to tell gdb or lldb to point to it.
[23:49] <bapa> you can install one of them and see for yourself though
[23:49] <dunnousernamefn> ohhh
[23:49] <bapa> dpgk -L yourpkg-dbg
[23:49] <dunnousernamefn> thats cool
[23:49] <bapa> and then run ``readelf -a`` on that pkg
[23:49] <bapa> and you will see it is an ELF file that simply contains debug data
[23:50] <bapa> err, readelf -a on that pkg's debug symbol files**
[23:50] <bapa> I'd go test for you right now, but I'm not on Ubuntu atm. :X
[23:51] <dunnousernamefn> I just recompiled a library with -g, however gdb still says "/usr/local/lib/libBulletSoftBody.so.2.88" without source code line numbers... hmm
[23:51] <dunnousernamefn> bapa: that seems really interesting, and I'll look into that
[23:52] <bapa> dunnousernamefn: Hold on. There's also ``dbgsym``-affixed pkgs too. Hmm.
[23:52] <bapa> Now I'm curious to boot into my ubuntu install and compare *-dbg and *-dbgsym for myself
[23:53] <bapa> oh, looks like you might be right. *-dbg might actually be the same pkg but built with debug flags on (though, it's still possible the *symbols* might be in *-dbgsym in that case as well).
[23:53] <dunnousernamefn> I wonder what happens when the -dev is updated; if the -dbg isn't, everything won't work in terms of debugging
[23:53] <bapa> I'd imagine it's all just kept in-sync.
[23:54] <dunnousernamefn> Can I tell gdb to load external libraries with debug symbols? Or maybe it does and I did something wrong
[23:54] <dunnousernamefn> I did CFLAGS=-g CXXFLAGS=-g when compiling
[23:54] <bapa> as far as I know, the -dev packages mostly just contain headers and probably static libraries. You can probably debug without -dev
[23:56] <bapa> Hmm, looks like I was wrong about being wrong. -dbg, at least for ntfs-3g-dbg, really are just the debug symbols.
[23:56] <dunnousernamefn> then are you wrong or right? *gasp*
[23:57]  * bapa takes the subjective route and believes everyone has Their Own Truth(TM)
[23:58] <dunnousernamefn> so, lldb (not gdb) gives me addresses, but still not sources
[23:58] <dunnousernamefn> and I still don't know how to use addr2line, or maybe I do and it doesn't work with lldb
[23:59] <bapa> dunnousernamefn: To my knowledge, lldb is usually pretty bad with automatically finding debug symbols in most distros. I usually have better luck with gdb.
[23:59] <bapa> You can use the debug symbols with lldb, but it usually requires manually entering cmds to load the symbols.
[23:59] <dunnousernamefn> I think I used clang to compile, but I can't remember
[23:59] <bapa> I don't think it should make a difference tbh.