[16:41] <kahrytan> x1250->  I just wish they would change the darn usplash screen
[16:41] <m1r> so that means i must look in beta for that option and try to get it back?
[16:41] <m1r> yes, orange stripe brought life to gnome menu
[16:42] <kahrytan> x1250->  or better ya, make firefox default start nicer.
[16:42] <x1250> I don't use usplash, I hate it (I'm a debian guy)
[16:42]  * kahrytan curses x1250 for enternity.. doomed to live debian lifestyle.
[16:42] <kahrytan> ^joke
[16:42] <x1250> :-)
[16:43] <topyli> heh
[16:43] <topyli> so debian people hate usplash by definition? :)
[16:43] <x1250> its possible :)
[16:43] <m1r> so, does anyone know where that option could be hidden for that nice orange stripe ?
[16:43] <kahrytan> topyli->  I thought Debian hates Ubuntu users by definition?
[16:44] <topyli> no they don't
[16:44] <kahrytan> topyli->  or is thet exclusive to #Debian
[16:44] <x1250> naah
[16:44] <topyli> ubuntu is good for debian
[16:44] <x1250> yep
[16:44] <x1250> and debian for ubuntu
[16:44] <kahrytan> Not when Linspire switches from Debian to Ubuntu
[16:44] <x1250> they're like lovers
[16:44] <x1250> the make love every night
[16:44] <kahrytan> !sex
[16:44] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[16:44] <x1250> Oh, wait, I think I need some sex
[16:44] <Pici> !offtopic
[16:44] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[16:45] <m1r> and fight every day ? x1250 ?
[16:45] <x1250> :P
[16:45] <topyli> kahrytan: what does that have to do with anything? linspire is good for debian too
[16:45] <x1250> m1r: what fights?
[16:45] <kahrytan> topyli->  ubuntu seems to stealing Debian's thunder at times
[16:45] <x1250> I never fight ubuntu people
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> So if I'm running the RC, upgrading to final version is as simple as running aptitude dist-upgrade on the release date?
[16:45] <kahrytan> Debian community does allot of work and Ubuntu still needs them
[16:45] <Pici> yes.
[16:45] <Pici> Odd-rationale: Yes.
[16:45] <x1250> In fact I come here to give free support for ubuntu users (debian users dont need ubuntu support :)
[16:46] <kahrytan> Does Canonical fund Debian development?
[16:46] <topyli> there never was a "debian thunder", and no need for such
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> Pici: Thanks!
[16:46] <x1250> kahrytan: debian guys make the big work
[16:46] <x1250> withouth debian there would be no ubuntu
[16:46] <topyli> kahrytan: ubuntu development is debian development too
[16:46] <kahrytan> x1250->  hence my question, Does Canonical give funds to debian development
[16:46] <x1250> kahrytan: nope
[16:47] <x1250> or not that I know
[16:47] <kahrytan> I guess ubuntu improvements is imported into Debian ?
[16:47] <Pici> But even if they don't, we give stuff back to upstream
[16:47] <topyli> kahrytan: canonical funds ubuntu development, which is then used in debian proper when desired
[16:47] <kahrytan> Pici->  that answered my ques
[16:47] <kahrytan> Ubuntu does upstream as well as downstream
[16:48] <m1r> so guys , anyone know how to get that orange stripe back on main menu ?
[16:48] <kahrytan> m1r->  why?
[16:48] <m1r> kahrytan: cause i like it very much, gives life to colorless menu
[16:48] <kahrytan> m1r-> Sounds like it's a Theme issue.
[16:48] <topyli> kahrytan: ubuntu does encourage the creation of derivatives, if that's what you mean by downstream
[16:48] <kahrytan> m1r-> Look at the old packages for themes
[16:49] <m1r> thx kahrytan
[16:49] <_Rambaldi_> how can i change the color brown on every window to other colors
[16:49] <kahrytan> topyli->  by downstream, I mean Ubuntu imports Debian Sid etc etc
[16:49] <Pici> Thats upstream.
[16:49] <topyli> kahrytan: in that case, ubuntu _is_ downstream
[16:49] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  The force says try Human Looks theme at Gnome-Look.org
[16:50] <kahrytan> Pici-> or downstream form Debian point of view?
[16:50] <kahrytan> *from
[16:50] <Pici> Yes.
[16:50] <bipolar> Are there any special tools for preparing an ubuntu install for cloning?
[16:50] <kahrytan> Pici->  thats how i meant it
[16:50] <_Rambaldi_> i had a feeling i had to download theme, i thought there was a colour bar or something to change it kahrytan
[16:50] <kahrytan> Downstream from Debian, but then Upstream back to debian
[16:51] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  Human Look theme allows for use of Color tab in Appearance.
[16:51] <x1250> synchronization is one-way. Debian->ubuntu
[16:51] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png <example
[16:52] <_Rambaldi_> thanks kahrytan
[16:53] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  I love the human looks theme
[16:53] <www2> i heft found my problem it is the compination of wine and pulsaudio
[16:54] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Humanlooks?content=73905
[16:55] <kahrytan> www2->  May I introduce you to launchpad.net ?
[16:56] <bipolar> everything changing to uuid's has made cloning an installation difficult.
[16:56] <mdfrostt> I'm using 8.04 on a dell inspiron e1705.  the default network manager (network-monitor?) can see all available wireless networks, but I couldn't connect to any of them (whether they were WPA, WEP, or open).    I switched to Wicd, but I'm having the same problem (fails at "obtaining IP address).  Is this a problem with the intel 3945 or a beta os?  is there a workaround?
[16:58] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  get my link?
[16:58] <www2> then i post a bugreport.
[16:59] <_Rambaldi_> i did, but human link was already installed kahrytan
[16:59] <kahrytan> www2-> and make sure wine dev know about it
[16:59] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> like my screenshot?
[17:00] <www2> i hef read on the wine site about this problem.
[17:00] <_Rambaldi_> under appearance the i can customise it but not the brown titile bar kahrytan
[17:01] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  You customize the theme, colors tab
[17:01] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  change controls to humanlooks
[17:02] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> Under colors, its Selected Items, left color
[17:03] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> got it?
[17:03] <cube> yep
[17:03] <kahrytan> cube->  What?
[17:03] <cube> 3 more days
[17:03] <kahrytan> cube->  tick tock ...
[17:04] <cube> yep
[17:04]  * kahrytan wants Vista to die in 3 days.
[17:04] <www2> And i think that the problem lie's in the alsa wraper of puse audio.
[17:04]  * kahrytan sharpens two edged sword
[17:04] <_Rambaldi_> that only as suggested only changes the color of the selected items. the color i want to change is the color on top of windows (where min max close) kahrytan
[17:04] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> Again, the color you want to change is Selected Items.
[17:04] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  that changes the title bar color
[17:05] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  Also menu selections elsewhere too.
[17:05] <^^malajenho^> hi everyone
[17:05] <^^malajenho^> I've updated my gutsy gibbon to hardy heron, but now when I try to login, it doesn't start session, anyone has the same problem ?
[17:05] <cube> is the release candidate the same as whats gonna be available in 3 days
[17:06] <kahrytan> cube->  with side effects.. but will silently upgraded to final  next the 3 days.
[17:06] <cube> so same thing with my beta i have?
[17:07] <Lamego> if you are getting the upgrades, you are at the RC level
[17:07] <cube> thanks
[17:07] <Pici> !final
[17:07] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:07] <kahrytan> cube->  Mark Shuttleworth uses it on his main laptop...
[17:07] <afallenhope> heyy.. is there a reason why after I uninstall something from wine it still shows up in the  start menu?
[17:08] <cube> yep  0 new packages
[17:08] <cube> cool thanks guys
[17:08] <kahrytan> I read that in his blog or somewhere where he said it
[17:08] <danny> afallenhope: It did that to me, but I had to go through the menu editor to get rid of the stuff it left. :/
[17:08] <afallenhope> danny: where's the menu editor lol
[17:09] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  that happened to me in Gutsy
[17:09] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  right click main menu for editor
[17:09] <afallenhope> yeah I'm running Hardy Heron
[17:09] <nibsa1242b> How are HH RC installs/ upgrades going? Any major issues? I'm trying to figure out if I should install now or wait.
[17:10] <jbroome> unless you've got some really freaky HW, i think you'd be ok
[17:10] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  On my old system, Clean install went nicely
[17:10] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  by old, I mean old 478 socket w/ sis chipset
[17:10] <afallenhope> kahrytan: yeah I did that but there's only one thing I want to remove from the wine menu
[17:10] <kahrytan> Where is the menu dir?
[17:11] <danny> afallenhope Click the wine subcat, then uncheck wwhat you want to removee
[17:11] <afallenhope> haha didn't see that
[17:11] <afallenhope> thanks
[17:11] <danny> :]
[17:11] <mdfrostt> I'm using 8.04 on a dell inspiron e1705.  the default network manager (network-monitor?) can see all available wireless networks, but I couldn't connect to any of them (whether they were WPA, WEP, or open).    I switched to Wicd, but I'm having the same problem (fails at "obtaining IP address).  Is this a problem with the intel 3945 or a RC os?  Is there a workaround?
[17:12] <dottedmag> Is there rsync server or xdelta files for upgrading Ubuntu CD images?
[17:12] <kahrytan> danny->  that doesnt remove it though. Hides it.
[17:13] <afallenhope> yeah was gonna say.. it only hid it.. I want to remove it
[17:13] <nibsa1242b> jbroome: kahrytan I've got some HW that tends to be moderately uncooperative, upgrading to 7.10 required me to spend two days chrooting to fix a broken install; 6.06 required me to use the alternate install cd b/c of graphics issues... I guess I'll try out the live cd for now
[17:14] <afallenhope> I uninstalled it... just still in the menu
[17:14] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  then I guess clean install is your best bet?
[17:14] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  just put /home on separate partition
[17:14] <nibsa1242b> kahrytan: yeah, I've already got a sep part for /home
[17:15] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  then no biggie on clean
[17:15] <_Rambaldi_> kahrytan, my laptop was being naugty, it was not changing when i selected different coulours i restarted and now the color change is imediate. thanks kahrytan
[17:16] <afallenhope> kahrytan: do you know how to remove it completely?
[17:16] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  did that to me.
[17:16] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  logout fixed it
[17:16] <edugonch> Hello, How can I install the java plugin I have 8.04 in AMD 64 and firefox 3
[17:16] <nibsa1242b> kahrytan: and /var and lots of other sep parts for that matter... (nothing like having log files fill up your drive to make it unbootable to make you understand to make /var its own partition)
[17:17] <hwilde> when I do an lsmod, I see modules wlan, wlan_scan_status, wlan_wep,    how do I find what packages provide these modules?
[17:18] <_Lucretia_> well, however much I like the 3D desktop stuff, I think i'll stick to 2D so that the GL & movies work in windows.
[17:18] <_Lucretia_> arse
[17:19] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> I feel the force saying look at /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged
[17:19] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  force also says backups....
[17:19] <hwilde> cmon this should be an easy question everyone should be ! at me
[17:19] <hwilde> where is the mapping between modules and packages?
[17:20] <kahrytan> Pici said you can find a package relateing to file.
[17:20] <hwilde> !find wlan_wep
[17:20] <ubotu> No packages matching 'wlan_wep' could be found
[17:20] <kahrytan> dpkg blah blah
[17:20] <hwilde> !find pcmcia_core
[17:20] <ubotu> No packages matching 'pcmcia_core' could be found
[17:21] <kahrytan> hwilde-> Apr 21 04:47:58 <Pici>	nemo: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[17:21] <kahrytan> hwilde->  maybe that will help?
[17:22] <hwilde> hmmm
[17:22] <hwilde> that works
[17:23] <kahrytan> hwilde-> pici gets the credit
[17:23] <Pici> and the pings to my name....
[17:23] <kahrytan> lol
[17:23] <hwilde> dmesg says:   [251334.389223] cs: pcmcia_socket1: cardbus cards are not supported.
[17:23] <hwilde> but I have pcmcia-cs installed
[17:24] <kahrytan> now pici gets to help
[17:24] <afallenhope> kahrytan: there was nothing in there
[17:24] <spiniker> hello
[17:24] <spiniker> again
[17:24] <hwilde> I also have pcmciautils installed
[17:24] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  there is wine.menu for me
[17:24] <spiniker> is there anyway that i could just let my awn applet stick on the desktop
[17:25] <kahrytan> spiniker->  the force is drawing a blank for me...
[17:25] <afallenhope> but there's app there
[17:25] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> what?
[17:25] <spiniker> i mean i would like it to stay in bar even if i close the program,the icon should still be there
[17:26] <kahrytan> You mean like quick lunch program?
[17:26] <spiniker> sorry kahrytan,promise once this query is done ill keep quite..
[17:26] <spiniker> :)
[17:26] <afallenhope> kahrytan: there's no programs in the xml file
[17:26]  * kahrytan doesnt use awn
[17:26] <pen> what is your favorite icon themes? type it out and share with others ;)
[17:27] <spiniker> i already know how to quick launch it..
[17:27] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  no wine.menu file?
[17:28] <spiniker> just make the icon stick at the bar,even after quitting the program
[17:28] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  and its not xml.
[17:28] <afallenhope> kahrytan: it's a .menu file however it's XML
[17:28] <afallenhope> lol
[17:28] <topyli> pen: human! :)
[17:28] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  Looks like it but falls menu.dtd specs.
[17:28] <pen> topyli: human series? cool
[17:29] <kahrytan> pen->  mac4lin icons
[17:29] <pen> kahrytan: I knew that one. cool
[17:29] <kahrytan> pen->  thats cuz i like the app icons
[17:30] <topyli> with my own lion-look i use the foxtrot icons
[17:30] <pen> have you guys heard of powered icon?
[17:30] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  try looking down .config in ~/user
[17:33] <topyli> custom desktop files are in ~/.local/share/applications
[17:34] <lintel> my TV-card for the cardbus causes "failed to initialize HAL". Is this still common?
[17:35] <kahrytan> topyli->  talkingabout Wine menu in Main Menu
[17:36] <kahrytan> linas->  It easier to get help if you say what card
[17:37] <mophead> is there an irc room for openofice.org?
[17:37] <Zambezi> Is it common that USB-keyboard won't work during boot? So you can't press ESC and change kernel. Cause I have 386 now and it's without sound, but generic works perfectly.
[17:37] <kahrytan> mophead-> did you goto openoffice site?
[17:38] <mophead> kahrytan: the site links to the room?  ok, my bad
[17:38] <Zambezi> mophead: I think so. #openoffice ?
[17:38] <kahrytan> mophead-> d'oh
[17:38] <mophead> found it, thanks!
[17:39] <kahrytan> mophead-> where?
[17:40] <mophead> #Openoffice.org
[17:40] <kahrytan> mophead->  found where?
[17:40] <afallenhope> okay I found out where the menu is... now it's in the menu in ubuntu *
[17:40] <kahrytan> mophead-> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC
[17:41] <topyli> afallenhope: where is it then?
[17:41] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> where
[17:42]  * kahrytan  is beaten by topyli  again
[17:42] <mophead> I went to #openoffice and it  had a link
[17:42] <kahrytan> mophead->  the link has other channels
[17:44] <Killeroid> hi, if anyone is wondering about how to install hardy heron on a usb drive, i wrote a tutorial here   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4759330#post4759330
[17:48] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  Throw me and topyli  a bone here.
[17:49]  * kahrytan starts gnawing at arms and leg bones...
[17:51] <kahrytan> !ping
[17:51] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[17:53] <kahrytan> Is anyone around?
[17:53] <jamal> Hi, is there any documentation on how to set up a secondary screen on Hardy? As I understand, you're not supposed to mess with xorg.conf with xrandr or something like that, is that correct?
[17:53] <piedoggie> I'm wondering what happened to open-vm-tools?
[17:54] <kahrytan> jamal->  try pluging in one and seewhat happens?
[17:54] <piedoggie> Trying to install 8.04 RC as a virtual machine and the virtual kernel has its own kernel modules which make the VM workstation Guest tools refuse to install
[17:54] <piedoggie> bug reports on this problem (as far back as 7.10) refer to this open-vm-tools as the long-term solution
[17:55] <jamal> kahrytan, Nothing happened when I plugged in the second monitor (I am on a Laptop)... After restarting, it has been detected and it clones the main screen.
[17:55] <jamal> Running the xrandr command only shows one screen though.
[17:55] <kahrytan> jamal->  you mean shows same screen on both monitors?
[17:55] <piedoggie> same screen on both monitors sounds like it's still controlled at the BIOS level
[17:55] <jamal> kahrytan, It currently is. I'd like it to be a secondary screen.
[17:56] <piedoggie> that's the mode you use when running a big screen display for a group
[17:56] <jamal> piedoggie, Its not the same screen, the second screen only shows output when X is running.
[17:56] <kahrytan> jamal->  I miss those days... run the cursor across thedesktop
[17:56] <piedoggie> there should be a mode switch on your keyboard and one of those modes might put you in two screen mode
[17:57] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Hello, I'm having a problem with DVD playback. I get the message "Could not read from resource" when I try to play my DVD. I've already run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh, but this did not fix the problem.
[17:57] <jamal> piedoggie, The mode switch just makes the second screen flicker.
[17:57] <doodoo> do you guys know if final 8.04 will support the wireless cards that come with xps 1330 (dell 1505. manuf. Broadcom)
[17:58] <jamal> kahrytan, Run the cursor across it? ... I don't understand what you are telling me to do.
[17:58] <kahrytan> jamal->  by desktop, i mean physical one.
[17:58] <jamal> doodoo, I'm running on a laptop with a Broadcom wifi card. It works ... okay.
[17:58] <kahrytan> jamal->  I had dual monitors once upon a time
[17:58] <piedoggie> one of the modes should turn Off the second screen
[17:58] <jamal> piedoggie, I understand what you mean but it isn't
[17:59] <doodoo> jamal, does ubuntu detect it automatically or did you have to install the drivers manually ?
[17:59] <piedoggie> did you ever try the multiscreen under Windows?
[17:59] <kahrytan> jamal->  you might have to xorg it out
[17:59] <jamal> doodoo, Detected automatically but I had to install the firmware manually.
[17:59] <jamal> doodoo, If it doesn't work, run the command "dmesg" in terminal and you should see a link there.
[17:59] <jamal> kahrytan, Alright, I'll try that. I wasn't usre if I'm supposed to mess with it.
[18:00] <kahrytan> oh wait
[18:00] <piedoggie> well, I need to get back to sully my virtual machine problems.  I have already wasted two days on it and it's a bit frustrating
[18:00] <piedoggie> to solving my...
[18:01] <Comp_tech_lksd> I am running Ubuntu 8.04 RC on a Lenovo T60 laptop that has a finger print reader, I upgraded from 7.10, under 7.10 if I typed my username it would then pop up to scan my fingerprint for my password, under 8.04 after I type in my username and press enter the window manager restarts and takes me back to the login screen... anyone have an idea how I can fix it and logon?  If I boot to a terminal or switch to one I can logon fin
[18:01] <kahrytan> I wish i had second monitor
[18:03] <doodoo> so does anyone know if hardy heron will support wireless drivers from xps 1330? (dell 1505 - broadcom manfu)
[18:03] <kahrytan> Shoot, i had jamals help already
[18:04] <shirish> hi guys, I got a usb thumbdrive which has two partitions, how do I format it?
[18:05] <kahrytan> shirish->  Didn't you get the message from the force?
[18:05] <shirish> kahrytan: what force?
[18:06] <doodoo> so does anyone know if hardy heron will support wireless drivers from xps 1330? (dell 1505 - broadcom manfu)
[18:06] <kahrytan> shirish->  it's asking you tried gparted?
[18:06] <shirish> kahrytan: nope, didn't try gparted.
[18:06] <kahrytan> shirish->  I am on this who Force thing tonight (star wars)
[18:07] <kahrytan> shirish-> I keep responding in force this and that
[18:07] <shirish> kahrytan: thought as much, Obi wan ;)
[18:08] <kahrytan> that reminds me .. i need to try that program on hardy
[18:09] <shirish> kahrytan: this is strange, its reading only the ntfs partitions, and not the ext3 partitions at all :(
[18:09] <shirish> kahrytan: also didn't see the usb partitions as well :(
[18:10] <kahrytan> shirish-> gparted never seems to work for me period
[18:10] <shirish> kahrytan: it worked for me :)
[18:10] <kahrytan> It sits there .scanning
[18:10] <TuxOtaku> hey guys, question, are there a LOT of changes between the RC and the release version of Hardy coming out on Thursday?
[18:11] <kahrytan> scanning.. scanning... did the same in gutsy
[18:11] <kahrytan> oh wait.. works now
[18:12] <topyli> TuxOtaku: who knows? maybe some of the bugs will be fixed :)
[18:13] <kahrytan> oh crap
[18:13] <sroecker> TuxOtaku: see for yourself: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/date.html
[18:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  Does Beta always have so many freakin updates?
[18:13] <kahrytan> and RC
[18:13] <TuxOtaku> topyli, got a link to a list of known bugs with the RC?
[18:13] <topyli> kahrytan: yes
[18:13] <kahrytan> 18 just poped up
[18:13] <topyli> TuxOtaku: no, but i bet launchpad does
[18:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  Feels like WIndows Update again
[18:14] <Pici> meh
[18:14] <kahrytan> oh wait .. not Windows Update. thats always bare.
[18:14] <CapaH> What types of major issues (if any) are there that should prevent me from getting the release?
[18:14] <kahrytan> So many bugs, so few updates for Windows.
[18:15] <kahrytan> Pici->  im poking fun of windows
[18:16] <Milos_SD> Hi, all... I think that there is a bug in amarok on Hardy... It is doing Update of collection every few minutes :S
[18:17] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Let me show  you  to my friend, Launchpad.net
[18:17] <Milos_SD> I don't know is that a bug or feature :D
[18:17] <kahrytan> shirish->  gparted worked for me on usb partitions
[18:17] <Milos_SD> so I want to ask you here :)
[18:18] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Ubuntu isn't Windows. Bugs are features.
[18:18] <shirish> kahrytan: same here, but if I try to allocate them into new ones, I'm not getting them. Dunno why
[18:18] <kahrytan> oops
[18:18] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Ubuntu isn't Windows.  I havent slept all night
[18:18] <Lunks> Wired network works only with "sudo ifup eth0" on a terminal window.  For Wireless, it seems it has disappeared from network manager. =\
[18:23] <Lunks> How to make it show up?
[18:23] <kahrytan> shirish->  thanks for reminding me of trying gparted
[18:23] <syke> hi
[18:23] <shirish> kahrytan: welcome, btw do you know how do I give names to them (labels)
[18:24] <syke> I've been having a problem on my amd64 hp pavilion laptop where flash apps (pandora) hang
[18:24] <syke> it seems that this is related to when my monitor dims due to the powersave mode I have it in
[18:24] <unenough> hi, i have major problems with wifi on my amd64  laptop
[18:24] <Lunks> help, help, help =D
[18:24] <syke> it also happens when powermanager is in dynamic mode as well
[18:24] <unenough> (atheros 5007EG)
[18:24] <afallenhope> okay sorry about that people I'm back went out for lunch. Okay..... in my wine menu it shows a file that I removed... it's in the menu editor
[18:24] <syke> can someone test this?
[18:24] <shirish> kahrytan: right now they're staring at me like 1.3 GB media and 698.2 MB media (2 paritions
[18:25] <afallenhope> like in the gnome menu editor it still shows but I deleted it.
[18:25] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  probably needs a refresh?
[18:25] <kahrytan> aka rebuild
[18:25] <afallenhope> kahrytan: and I do that.... by...
[18:25] <phoenix64> plz, anybody can tell me why ubuntu 8.04 completely locked my root account? sudo always fails (don't know why though), su fails because no password is set. Anything I can do without rebooting?
[18:26] <kahrytan> phoenix64-> check sys logs?
[18:26] <CapaH> If I install Hardy, as there are updates/bug fixes they will automatically download/install until the final release and then everything will be current right?
[18:26] <syke> capah: correct
[18:26] <CapaH> How do I do that?
[18:27] <kahrytan> phoenix64->  by log, i mean auth.loh
[18:27] <kahrytan> log
[18:27] <syke> you'll see the little udpate icon in your tray, click on it, enter your passwd, and the updates will download and isntall
[18:27] <phoenix64> well, "permission denied" ^^
[18:27] <syke> that is, ubuntu will let you know when there are updates
[18:27] <phoenix64> bbl, rebooting (livecd)
[18:28] <kahrytan> CapaH->  RC updates are delivered constantly and you get Final as they come.
[18:28] <CapaH> syke: Sorry, I mean -- how do I go to Hardy
[18:28] <syke> oh
[18:28] <CapaH> switch from Feisty to Hardy
[18:28] <kahrytan> !upgrade
[18:28] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:28] <CapaH> cool thanks
[18:28] <kahrytan> !hardy
[18:28] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:28] <syke> capah: don't forget to back up your homedir first :)
[18:28] <CapaH> sorry -- Gutsy to Hardy
[18:28] <CapaH> and good idea syke
[18:28] <kahrytan> CapaH-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[18:29] <Pici> hoary, eh?
[18:29] <kahrytan> oops my bad
[18:29] <Lunks> Wired network works only with "sudo ifup eth0" on a terminal window. For Wireless, it seems it has disappeared from network manager. =\
[18:29] <Pici> CapaH: /topic
[18:29] <Lunks> How to make it show up?
[18:29] <kahrytan> Pici->  where is that
[18:29] <Pici> kahrytan: /topic
[18:30]  * kahrytan slaps himself
[18:30] <phoenix64> ah,ok, found it, I broke the groups -.-
[18:31] <unenough> any hints on getting atheros wifi to work??
[18:31] <unenough> on a 64-bit system
[18:32] <kingv> ok does any one know if xps 1330 wireless card by broadcom will be supported and automatically detected/installed by 8.04
[18:32] <kahrytan> PiCi, Do you think Vista is causing more people to look at alternatives?
[18:32] <Pici> kahrytan: It wouldnt surprise me
[18:33] <kahrytan> Pici->  Ill give it two years tops. When Xp support ends for good
[18:33] <bicyclist1> @kahrytan: well vista was my final push for a complete switch
[18:33] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  ditto
[18:33] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  but i dual boot with xp
[18:34] <bicyclist1> and my wife is now finally using her computer. in fact she likes ubuntu way more than xp
[18:34] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  I use xp for dvd authoring. i love ulead.
[18:34] <bicyclist1> kahrytan me too, the only thing still left to xp
[18:34] <atlef> i just showed vista over to a old and slow disk and let hardy take over
[18:34] <kahrytan> Yet another Ubuntu artivle ->http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7358483.stm
[18:34] <atlef> the new and fast disk
[18:35] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  You realized that Linux doesnt have good dvd author program yet?
[18:35] <almel> If someone has 10 minutes to help, can they please PM me. Im attempting to get ATI to work on the latest 8.04 RC
[18:36] <kingv> ok does any one know if xps 1330 wireless card by broadcom will be supported and automatically detected/installed by 8.04
[18:36] <bicyclist1> true. kino is quiet ok, but i love the quick authorimg aspects of ulead
[18:36] <kahrytan> bicyclist-> and animated menus.
[18:36] <danny> err, i wish the del.icio.us toolbar worked with the new ff :[
[18:36] <bicyclist1> yes, thats always impressive for my friends
[18:37] <kahrytan> danny->  FF2 is atill available in repos
[18:37] <danny> eh, i like everything else, though.  i can't decide between downgrading or going without the toolbar. :/
[18:37] <kahrytan> danny->  niether is google stuff too btw
[18:38] <bicyclist1> well with the final version hopefully all the plugins will be made available too
[18:38] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  When FF3 is done, yet
[18:38] <kahrytan> yeeah
[18:40] <kingv> ok does any one know if xps 1330 wireless card by broadcom will be supported and automatically detected/installed by 8.04???
[18:41] <kingv> anyone? :S
[18:41] <kahrytan> kingv->  Try the live cd.
[18:42] <mattik> Hello, When I removed fglrx and I selected ati, I got white screen instead of gnome desktop with kubuntu-kdm4
[18:42] <kingv> 710 doesnt. but i havent tried beta or rc of 804
[18:42] <mattik> kdm-kde4 I mean
[18:42] <bicyclist1> kingv at least ndiswrapper should work....
[18:43] <kahrytan> kingv->  you know you want to. It's tempting you, drawing you ever so near.
[18:43] <kingv> bicyclist, thanks man
[18:43] <kingv> kahrytan, are you inviting me to a gangbang?
[18:44] <kahrytan> kingv->   now now. no need for that
[18:44] <syke> ok
[18:44] <syke> I entered my bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220317
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220317 in ubuntu "flash hangs when screen blanks on laptop with hardy" [Undecided,New]
[18:44] <kingv> kahrytan, it's ok. just tell me. :) i have friends to bring with
[18:45] <ompaul> kingv, please don't continue with that
[18:45] <kahrytan> kingv->  Keep it family friendly
[18:45] <mophead> !language | kingv
[18:45] <ubotu> kingv: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:45] <syke> if there's any info I can/should add to help debug, let me know
[18:45] <danny> haha :o
[18:45] <kingv> language? i have not said anything offensive ppl. take it easy and chill
[18:45] <mophead> I find it so odd that ubuntu only seems to want 18+ involved, yet wants to keep channels family friendly
[18:45] <mophead> kingv: I'm not offended.  I'm just warning you so you don't get in trouble
[18:46] <kingv> mophead, thanks man. but if i get in trouble for saying gangbang, mind as well put me in jail
[18:46] <ompaul> kingv, not open to debate please drop it now thank you
[18:47] <kahrytan> kingv, but the ubotu said family friendly channel
[18:47] <kingv> ompaul, u just jealous cuz you're not invited. /dropped
[18:47] <ompaul> edge push don't ;-)
[18:48] <topyli> edge pushing. ur doin it wrong
[18:48] <mophead> topyli: *rong, not wrong
[18:49] <topyli> hmm if i mistype rong, is that right or rong?
[18:49] <atlef> anyone using lastfm and rhythmbox. the song seems to come long before it actually changes
[18:49] <atlef> *the song info
[18:49] <topyli> atlef: last.fm knows more about your playlist than you do
[18:49] <mophead> topyli: cat macros have their own distinct language and spelling, so it would be "rong" not "wrong" ;)
[18:50] <kahrytan> atlef->  to latter, i dont see it
[18:50] <kahrytan> atlef->  you mean playing last.gm?
[18:50] <kahrytan> fm*
[18:50] <ompaul> atlef, it uses mysql as a backend I remember reading about them looking to hire mysql people
[18:50] <topyli> mophead: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/25/funny-pictures-constructive-feedback-ur-doin-it-wrong/
[18:51] <atlef> ompaul: thank you
[18:52] <ompaul> atlef, yw
[18:52] <mophead> topyli: that's funny, I could have sworn it was spelled "rong."  Anyway, we're way off topic.
[18:52] <atlef> skip does not work either, so i just installed lastfm and use that instead of the rhythmbox plugin
[18:52] <Assid> heya
[18:53] <danny> hi :]
[18:53] <atlef> amarok also had som issues with lastfm, they said it would be fixed in 1.5
[18:53] <Assid> so the carnage began yet?
[18:54] <ompaul> !hardy | Assid
[18:54] <ubotu> Assid: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:54] <danny> atlef: is there a way to love/tag tracks for last.fm in amarok?  i could never find one.  :/
[18:54] <atlef> yes
[18:54] <danny> how? :o
[18:54] <kahrytan> I couldnt get Rhythembox to play last.fm
[18:55] <atlef> danny: but never checked if they actually gets loved/banned
[18:55] <Assid> yeah i know. but knowing how many people out there want it BEFORE the next guy.. i wouldnt be surprised if its hectic already
[18:55] <ompaul> Assid, isntall the RC and sudo apt-get update = its as good as the next guy
[18:55] <atlef> danny: need to bee in context somrthing on the lefthand side
[18:56] <atlef> *bee *something
[18:56] <Assid> ompaul: true.. but if you were here for the last release.. or rather in the release party.. it was nuts.. everyone wanted the iso
[18:56] <atlef> *be
[18:56] <atlef> man, and i'm not even dyslectic
[18:57] <Pici> what about dyslexic?
[18:57] <atlef> right, see
[18:57] <atlef> tired maybe
[18:57] <ompaul> Assid, ehh been in this house since hardy heron
[18:57] <kahrytan> I upgraded to Hardy before release so I didnt have to get in line for release :-P
[18:57] <ompaul> kahrytan, its just a shorter line
[18:57] <ompaul> now get behind me ;-)
[18:57] <kahrytan> No
[18:58] <kahrytan> How about side by side?
[18:58] <ompaul> that will do
[18:58] <ompaul> sudo apt-get running shoes ;-)
[18:58] <ompaul> right I have gone too far off topic - better do something else
[18:58] <kahrytan> I never know update manager gets so crazy pre-release
[18:59] <kahrytan> I've seen about 26+ updates in 24 hours
[19:00] <kahrytan> I will still download Final ISO but I won't be running like crazy man forit
[19:00] <ompaul> kahrytan, you can expect to see a lot more coming up on a beta or release candidate
[19:00] <kahrytan> RC is up.
[19:00] <bicyclist1> kahrytan that is true , quiet a lot updates so close to release
[19:00] <kahrytan> it's RC->Final now
[19:00] <ompaul> kahrytan, yeah, but in terms of churn on the way
[19:01] <kahrytan> You mean.. allot more updates to come?
[19:01] <mophead> kahrytan: at least you get updates!  My sda2 partition is too small to update anything, until I back up all my data, resize the partitions, and then put all the date back on the computer
[19:01] <mophead> data^
[19:01] <kahrytan> Should I just set it to automatically update?
[19:02] <mnemo> did the 2.6.25 kernel roll out as a hardy package yet?
[19:02] <kahrytan> I got it to download by default.
[19:02] <Pici> mnemo: no, and it wont
[19:02] <mnemo> pici: hmm ok
[19:02] <kahrytan> Pici->  you saw that second one coming.
[19:02] <Pici> kahrytan: indeed
[19:03] <kahrytan> Pici->  can you predict next lottery numbers for me?
[19:03] <Pici> kahrytan: not reliably
[19:03] <kahrytan> darn
[19:03] <unenough> i'm sure it will involve one of the digits, 0-9
[19:03] <mnemo> basically, I had sound working all through hardy but then just a couple of days ago I got this 2.6.14-16 kernel which tells me I ain't got my soundcard at all?
[19:04] <_Lucretia_> is there an option for a hw mouse cursor for fglrx? I have enabled compiz, but playing gl apps or movies in a window produces massive flickering. if I go fullscreen for the movies it works until I move the mouse which results in bad flickering.
[19:04] <_Lucretia_> ta
[19:05] <Sonja> i get no sound in most appz.
[19:06] <cvd-pr> how the hell i unistall the VitualBox.sh? apt-get remove VirtualBox = E: Couldn't find package VirtualBox
[19:07] <cvd-pr> but the command to run it is VirtualBox
[19:07] <kahrytan> cvd-pr-> use the package name
[19:07] <Flannel> cvd-pr: When you install stuff that isn't a package, you can't remove it like a package
[19:08] <lumm> isnt package name virtualbox-ose?:P
[19:08] <kahrytan> Hello Flannel
[19:08] <cvd-pr> VirtualBox_1.5.6-1_Linux_x86.run
[19:09] <Flannel> Howdy kahrytan
[19:09] <cvd-pr> how i unistall that?
[19:09] <Flannel> cvd-pr: right, that's not a package.  Depending on how the run file is setup, it may or may not be easy to remove, you'll have to consult whatever documentation came with it
[19:09] <cvd-pr> nothing
[19:10] <Flannel> cvd-pr: How about documentation on the website you got it from?
[19:10] <wastrel> is compiz still going to be crashy in the release?
[19:10] <wastrel> :]
[19:11] <atlef> cvd-pr: the one in synaptic is 1.5.6
[19:11] <kahrytan> cvd-pr->  its referencing gutsy but here http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=18749
[19:11] <kahrytan> the VirtualBox Guest Additions installation script does not provide that functio at the moment. But you can deactivate the additions. Just be sure that all vboxadd* modules will not be loaded during startup, and remove vboxvideo and vboxmouse from your X configuration.
[19:11] <dhq> how do i update to hardy
[19:12] <mophead> !upgrade
[19:12] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:12] <kahrytan> dhq->  pici says /topic
[19:12] <dhq> ok
[19:12] <Sharpie> when i have a media player running, i don't have any sound when i try playing flash videos (let's say on youtube). to get sound working i have to stop the media player and restart firefox. any solution to that?
[19:12] <kahrytan> mophead->  remember .. /topic
[19:12] <Pici> kahrytan: no need to put my name in everything, it pings me and I think that I'm really needed in the channel
[19:13] <kahrytan> Pici->  am i annoying you. sorry.
[19:13] <mophead> kahrytan: hmm?
[19:13] <kahrytan> mophead->  upgrade method is in topic.
[19:13] <mophead> oh, hey, whaddaya know
[19:14] <kahrytan> mophead->  If it was a snake, it would have bitten us by now.
[19:15] <osmosis> the icon for xchat-gnome is broken after first installing, but is fine after a reboot.
[19:15] <osmosis> it was this way in gutsy, and appears the same in hardy.
[19:16] <kahrytan> osmosis->  try logout/login?
[19:16] <Sharpie> kahrytan: best. tip. ever.
[19:16] <osmosis> kahrytan: not specifically, but that may have worked too.
[19:16] <kahrytan> Sharpie->  saves time :)
[19:17] <kahrytan> I bet reloading nautilus might work?
[19:18] <Sharpie> use irssi
[19:18] <kahrytan> bah CLI.
[19:19] <kahrytan> CLI is like a disease to me
[19:19] <Sharpie> when i have a media player running, i don't have any sound when i try playing flash videos (let's say on youtube). to get sound working i have to stop the media player and restart firefox. any solution to that?
[19:20] <atlef> !pulse
[19:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:20] <atlef> !pulseaudio
[19:20] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[19:20] <mophead> Sharpie: I'm not sure what the solution is, but I did see a page on it today - try googling something like "flash and media player simultaneously" or something
[19:22] <crimsun> Sharpie: is libflashsupport installed?
[19:22] <Sharpie> just installed it, yup it fixed it
[19:22] <Sharpie> probably the simplest and weirdest solution to any problem ever
[19:22] <crimsun> be aware that libflashsupport may expose a lot of instability in Firefox
[19:23] <crimsun> that's why it's no longer a dependency of flashplugin-nonfree
[19:23] <mophead> crimsun: what do you mean?
[19:23] <crimsun> (bug 192888)
[19:23] <DanaG> Do the nspluginwrapper thing.
[19:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[19:23] <Sharpie> i don't think the ubuntu firefox can get more unstable than it already is
[19:23] <DanaG> Crashing every 3 YouTube pages... that's what.
[19:23] <atlef> crimsun: thank you for that tip
[19:23] <_Lucretia_> Sharpie: I've not had any problems with FF, but my gutsy install, the FF was uber-crap
[19:24] <mophead> DanaG: I hear you.  youtube is hopeless for me right now
[19:24] <Sharpie> _Lucretia_: yup
[19:24] <kahrytan> crimsun->  thats ff3 or ff2?
[19:24] <DanaG> Do the libflashsupport thing mentioned in that report.
[19:24] <Sharpie> my firefox crashed 600mbs into a 690 mb download :P
[19:24] <crimsun> kahrytan: it doesn't matter.
[19:24] <mnemo> interesting, I've actually never seen my FF3 crash on hardy
[19:24] <kahrytan> I dont use ff3
[19:24] <_Lucretia_> Sharpie: on gutsy, constant hangs, usually JS related
[19:24] <mophead> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[19:24] <mophead> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:24] <Sharpie> flash causes most of my problems
[19:24] <mophead> E: Directory '/var/log/apt/' missing
[19:24] <mophead> wha??
[19:25] <Sharpie> mophead: sudo mkdir -p /var/log/apt
[19:25] <Sharpie> :P
[19:25] <mophead> Sharpie: yay! thanks.  now it just says I don't have enoughs pace
[19:25]  * mophead sighs
[19:25] <kahrytan> Sharpie->  Now thats a good one
[19:26] <mnemo> Sharpie: haha =)
[19:26] <Sharpie> =p
[19:27] <kahrytan> Sharpie->  that is the best.tip.ever
[19:28] <Sharpie> well it did solve the problem, kinda
[19:28] <mophead> yeah, it did
[19:28] <hwilde> it solved that specific symptom, probably not the underlying problem
[19:29] <doofy_> anyone know what the latest update to the bluetooth stack and bluez adds?
[19:29] <Sharpie> only the flying spaghetti monster knows how it got deleted in the first place
[19:29] <mnemo> i usually see like 16 modules when I do "lsmod | grep snd" but now I got this latest updates on hardy I get zero results back when I do "lsmod | grep snd" so where did all my modules go and how can I get them back?
[19:30] <kahrytan> mnemo->  they are hiding from you.  I see them fine here.
[19:30] <Arelis> Is there anyone here who is running the latest upgraded version of Hardy?
[19:30] <rsk> Arelis: i am
[19:30] <mnemo> Arelis: yes
[19:31] <kahrytan> Arelis->  Let me get back to you on that okay?
[19:31] <Arelis> How is it? How is the Firefox 3 Beta 5?
[19:31] <rsk> it's ok
[19:31] <Sharpie> Arelis: it's foxy
[19:31] <rsk> no problems
[19:31] <Arelis> i am running the Release Candidate right now (fresh install)
[19:31] <kahrytan> Arelis->  Limited Extension support.
[19:31] <darthanubis> bug 220327
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220327 in eggdrop "*** stack smashing detected ***: ./eggdrop terminated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220327
[19:31] <bicyclist2> arelis running hardy since the beta and i like it
[19:31] <bicyclist2> did an upgrade
[19:31] <DanaG> Dang, now I want soup.
[19:32] <kahrytan> DanaG->  go get some and share with the group
[19:32] <Sharpie> i did an upgrade which caused my graphics drivers to malfunction, so i had to format and reinstall =[
[19:32] <Milos_SD> Here Firefox 3 Beta 5 need few seconds to exit ... I don't know why, on Beta 3 it quit immediatly
[19:32] <DanaG> FF3 sucks at quitting.
[19:32] <DanaG> quit-chugchugchugFORCEQUIT
[19:32] <kahrytan> Question: When FF3 is release, hardy gets final update?
[19:32] <bicyclist2> i have a problem with fspot not quitting
[19:32] <Sharpie> bicyclist2: kill it
[19:33] <crimsun> mnemo: dpkg -L linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)|awk '/snd().*ko/'|wc -l
[19:33] <bicyclist2> sure that works but that is not the way
[19:33] <bicyclist2> i expect it
[19:33] <kahrytan> bicyclis1->  run it in CLI and look for an error.
[19:33] <bicyclist2> i couldn
[19:33] <bicyclist2> i did but there was no error
[19:34] <Sharpie> bicyclist2: are you sure you're pressing the X button and not the minimize one?
[19:34] <crimsun> doofy_: it readds hidd and pand.
[19:34] <mnemo> crimsun: returns "160", what does that mean?
[19:34] <crimsun> mnemo: it means the modules certainly exist
[19:34] <bicyclist2> i am very sure, also tried exit from menu
[19:34] <crimsun> mnemo: now, `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]'
[19:34] <kahrytan> Does FF3 B5 get automatic update to FF3 full release?
[19:34] <mophead> Is there any way I can clear some space on my sda2, until I have a chance tor epartition?
[19:35] <mophead> I already did sudo apt-get clean
[19:35] <mdfrostt> how can a network manager see all available wireless networks but not be able to connect to any of them (whether they be WPA, WEP, or open)?  I've used both Hardy Heron's default network manager and Wicd, but they both fail on obtaining an IP address.
[19:35] <bicyclist2> mophead you could check for large files you no longer need
[19:35] <DanaG> stupid baobab: doesn't show files!
[19:35] <mophead> I don't know which ones I need, though
[19:35] <DanaG> I use filelight instead.
[19:35] <bicyclist2> i had quiet some archives
[19:36] <doofy_> crimsun, im trying to get a bluetooth earpiece to show up as an audio device. i get it connected, but it doesnt show up as an option in skype for audio
[19:36] <mnemo> crimsun: it returns: 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
[19:36] <mnemo> 	Subsystem: 103c:30cc
[19:36] <mophead> sda2 only has my OS and I beleive that's it
[19:37] <kahrytan> I guess no answer me :(
[19:37] <mophead> bicyclist2: my home folder is on a seperate partition
[19:37] <bicyclist2> hmm
[19:37] <crimsun> mnemo: what happens when you `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel'?
[19:37] <Arelis> rsk, mnemo, kahrytan: When you guys open a terminal, is it's background light yellow?
[19:37] <DanaG> filelight!
[19:37] <DanaG> !info filelight
[19:37] <ubotu> filelight (source: filelight): show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 608 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[19:37] <rsk> it's black here Arelis
[19:37] <DanaG> I only use two KDE/QT apps:
[19:37] <DanaG> filelight and VirtualBox.
[19:38] <kahrytan> Arelis->  My is default color, whie
[19:38] <kahrytan> white
[19:38] <Arelis> kahrytan: weird. I think that the upgrade has turned my terminal yellow
[19:38] <kahrytan> Arelis->  try different monitor?
[19:38] <mnemo> Arelis: i have black background in terminal (i changed it)
[19:39] <Arelis> kahrytan: it's not my monitor.
[19:39] <Arelis> yes, it's set to "Black on light yellow", which is at the top of the list
[19:39] <Arelis> Maybe they changed the default
[19:40] <Pici> Well thats ugly
[19:40] <Arelis> Pici: try it
[19:40] <Pici> Arelis: I prefer white on black
[19:40] <Killeroid> green on black
[19:40] <bicyclist2> 'illeroid me too
[19:41] <Arelis> Pici: Yes, it's good. But then, the whole screen is not black, still bright.
[19:43] <kahrytan> Pici, Will FF3 be updated to final when it's released for hardy?
[19:43] <Arelis> the upgrade i'm doing right now is very big. is it gonna be this big everytime something changes?
[19:43] <Pici> kahrytan: I'm thinking it will be in 8.04.1
[19:43] <bicyclist2> arelis only for major upgrades
[19:43] <kahrytan> Pici->  you are funny
[19:44] <Arelis> bicyclist2: so what i'm doing now, is a major upgrade?
[19:44] <Arelis> what is it upgrading to?
[19:44] <bicyclist2> you upgrade from what?
[19:44] <kahrytan> Pici->  Are you saying yes?
[19:45] <mnemo> crimsun: you fixed by sound now, thanks a million.. I was infact missing the linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-386 package just as you suspected
[19:45] <Pici> kahrytan: I'm saying maybe, I'm not a developer
[19:45] <Arelis> bicyclist2: Release Candidate, This is my first update since first install
[19:45] <kahrytan> Arelis->  and you will get allot more updates
[19:45] <bicyclist2> first install was what?
[19:46] <Arelis> Pici, kahrytan: isn't it upgrading to the final version? (distrowatch says somewhere that the final version was "released" today but CD's won't be available until 24 april)
[19:46] <Pici> Arelis: No... Hardy is not released until the 24th.  We have a release candidate out now though.
[19:47] <Bravewolf> Hello all! Is there anybody who installed Hardy RC and was able to update acpid? I receive an error in the post install script.
[19:48] <Gokee2> I am installing the latest xubuntu 8.04 and when doing "Prepare partions" (manually because it would not tell me what it did by itself) it pops up a msg saying some of the partitions you created are too small please make / 1.5 G (If I counted the numbers right.  But I have / at 39 G already.  Any idea whats wrong?  I think I will just tell it to go on anyway
[19:49] <nemo> Gokee2: erm.
[19:49] <bicyclis1> Eine Musik-Nachrichten-Sitzung wurde angefragt. Bitte klicken Sie das MM-Icon zum Akzeptieren.
[19:49] <nemo> Gokee2: someone complained about that in here once before.
[19:49] <nemo> Gokee2: and they had screwed up and confused MiB with GiB
[19:49] <DanaG> Ooh, Minefield fixes the godawful long close time for FF3.
[19:49] <nemo> sooo. be sure you aren't creating a 39MiB partition :-p
[19:50] <Gokee2> nemo, Ya...  its 39028 MB
[19:51] <bhsx> pretty cool, has anyone checked out mibbit.com? it's ajaxifide irc client....  i'm an xchat kinda guy myself but this is pretty cool... anyway...  firefox keeps crashing on me in rc1 and a lot of odd quirks that didn't seem to be happenning til the 'release'... anyone else notice this?
[19:51] <Gokee2> I would take a screenshot but don`t see any way to in this installer
[19:51] <bhsx> FF crashes specifically when using flash
[19:51] <bhsx> sometimes at youtube, sometimes at southparkstudios.com
[19:51] <Gokee2> Hmm also while I am at it how can I make sure network is working?  Install always seems a little messed up if setup can`t get on the internet
[19:51] <bhsx> sometimes it doesn't crash...
[19:52] <Gokee2> Hehe vt`s are here :)
[19:52] <danny> bhsx: yeah, it's always one that for me.  usually if its been open for a couple hours.
[19:52] <danny> done*
[19:53] <Gokee2> For my flash in FF crashes and I need to restaert FF to get flash back
[19:53] <Gokee2> me*
[19:54] <kahrytan> bhsx-> is it bug 192888?
[19:54] <Gokee2> restart*
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[19:54] <Jawshie> Hello guys! I set up 8.04 RC and installed it with LTSP described here:    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall  . I was under the impression that I should boot a thin client immediately... when I try I do boot but its to something called "Busybox." What do I need to do to get a desktop on my thin clients?
[19:55] <mophead> Why are varlock and varrun/ 1009M in Ubuntu? do they need to be that large?
[19:56] <kahrytan> bhsx->  you still there?
[19:56] <homer_> why are ATA disks in 8.04 are mapped to sd ?
[19:57] <Pici> homer_: They've been like that since at least Feisty
[19:57] <mnemo> Gokee2: to make sure networking works you can ping a server on your LAN or use something that requires internet access (like for instance you can open the update manager and press "check")
[19:58] <homer_> Pici, realy? ok sorry not seen this in feisty, maybe don't look at it :-)
[19:58] <Gokee2> mnemo, I booted in installer mode so I was wondering where I could put in a command...  I found the vt`s though :)
[19:58] <mnemo> Gokee2: ahh okay
[19:59] <nemo> Gokee2: hitting printscreen should take a screenshot :-p
[20:00] <Gokee2> Hmm  And where would I get to the screenshot at?
[20:00] <kahrytan> nemo->  I just now realized that today.
[20:01] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:01] <Ben_Cs>  i use hardy. installed ntfs-config. when i run it, when trying to add V's the apply button turns gray. i looked at the exec line and it says: gksu ntfs-config, but i don't get asked for a password. i tried gksudo. i get asked for pass word but still can't change a thing. please help!
[20:01] <nemo> Gokee2: well. it should tell you...
[20:01] <Bravewolf> I search the BTS and I discovered the same problem (#219886)
[20:02] <Gokee2> nemo, Did nothing as far as I could tell
[20:03] <Gokee2> Well...  nothing exept freeze the installer....
[20:04] <GNUtoo> hello, is ubuntu hardy  installation supposed to work in qemu?
[20:05] <Ben_Cs> anybody please?
[20:05] <GNUtoo> cause i have problem with the ata...ata1: port slow to respond, please be patient (Statux 0xd8)
[20:05] <GNUtoo> and then it reset the drive...
[20:06] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, what's the problem?
[20:06] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo:  i use hardy. installed ntfs-config. when i run it, when trying to add V's the apply button turns gray. i looked at the exec line and it says: gksu ntfs-config, but i don't get asked for a password. i tried gksudo. i get asked for pass word but still can't change a thing. please help!
[20:06] <Gokee2> OUCH!  I pressed the power button real quick to see if I could have the installer exit nicly and a loud steady beep came from my computer until I held down power!
[20:06] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: it's as if i don't have a full access or something?
[20:07] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, mabe that's app armor? i realy don't know here...
[20:07] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, and i don't know app-armor at all...(i only know selinux a little bit)
[20:08] <GNUtoo> but were you asked for your password BEFORE?
[20:08] <GNUtoo> because once you are granted the right to be root you have it for other things...
[20:09] <mophead> Is there anywhere online where people are putting information on ff3's flash issues?
[20:10] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: yes synaptic, but it's as if ntfs-config wants something more
[20:11] <GNUtoo> try sudo su then ntfs-config but i realy don't know this app
[20:12] <KLes> Hi, sometime my laptop freeze (macbook) with Hardy. Where can i search ?
[20:13] <KLes> it is caused by compiz ...
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: doesn't help
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> i guess i'll do it manually. wierd
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> another question:
[20:14] <GNUtoo> yes?
[20:15] <Ben_Cs> when i first put icon theme in .icons and changed my mouse icon theme i was asked if i want to auto-start the icon-something-app at startup. i said no, but now i see that after reboot the icons i set don't take place. so i probably need that app autostarted, but i don't know what app is that.
[20:16] <KLes> I've got this message on Xorg.log.old : tossed event which came in late
[20:16] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs,  make a ps -aux, then run the app,then make ps-aux and compare the output and you'll have the app
[20:16] <KLes> and mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[20:17] <RyanPrior> Alacarte is broken for me in Hardy. Can anybody else delete menu items?
[20:17] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: i don't know what app it is. it's something that i saw first time and didn't remember.
[20:18] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: I can delete items just fine
[20:18] <Ben_Cs> the problem is that the mouse icons i copied to ~/.icons directory and set in options, don't get remembered after reboot
[20:18] <Pici> As can I
[20:18] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, don't know either...sorry
[20:18] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Well, I've tried everything I can think of and asking Alacarte to delete something has absolutely no effect.
[20:19] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Can you think of any conditions which would prevent me from being able to delete things?
[20:19] <Ben_Cs> ok thanks anyway
[20:19] <Pici> RyanPrior: How are you trying to delete it?
[20:19] <Pici> The delete key? or the right click option?
[20:19] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: You're out of space on the partition /home is mounted on? You have bad permission on ~/.local/share/applications/? The item has a '/' in the name?
[20:19] <RyanPrior> Pici: I have two methods - right-click and select delete, or select with left-click and hit the delete key.
[20:20] <Amaranth> Pici: they do the same thing
[20:20] <Pici> Amaranth: I figured, but just wanted to be sure
[20:20] <Amaranth> It doesn't actually delete anything, it just makes it so hidden alacarte doesn't show it
[20:20] <Amaranth> and removes it from Open With
[20:20] <Amaranth> in nautilus
[20:21] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: I though it might be something like that. I hate how alacarte is designed.
[20:21] <Amaranth> *cough*
[20:21] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Anyway, none of the three things you suggested are true in my case. Permissions are fine, /home has plenty of space, no / in the name.
[20:22] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Run it from a terminal and see if it says anything
[20:22] <Amaranth> I think in the next version of alacarte I'm going to remove the delete functionality
[20:22] <Amaranth> Was stupid to add it, people should just hide things they don't want to see
[20:22] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: No output to the console.
[20:22] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: How about having delete *actually delete*?
[20:22] <Amaranth> Not actually possible
[20:23] <Amaranth> And insane
[20:23] <RyanPrior> .desktop files are mission-critical?
[20:23] <Greenery> i want to install nvidia driver, how do I do that in Kubuntu? I checked Hardware Driver manager, it offers me no choice
[20:23] <Amaranth> They are hard to recover when you want them back and easy to have come back when you don't want them to
[20:24] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: delete /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop, reinstall firefox, watch it come back
[20:24] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Delete everything in /usr/share/applications/, see if you know how to get it all back.
[20:24] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: precisely, that's the behaviour I want.
[20:24] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: If you delete the actual firefox.desktop it'll come back when firefox gets updated
[20:25] <Amaranth> Because you should not delete files that another package owns
[20:25] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: that would be good. If I wanted it hidden but still there I would hide it, but when I hit "delete" I expect there to be some actual deletion going on.
[20:25] <Amaranth> Because it'll just put them back because you've done something you are not supposed to do
[20:25] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Then I'll just remove the delete option
[20:25] <Amaranth> The whole point of alacarte is it is non-destructive
[20:26] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: what happens when I uninstall software and it doesn't clean up its icons? (My common usage case).
[20:26] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Delete them yourself
[20:26] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Rather than use the tool that comes with Ubuntu for managing the application menu? Why?
[20:26] <Amaranth> And don't use such broken software
[20:27] <Amaranth> Because alacarte is not meant for that
[20:27] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Obviously, using perfect software would solve everything - but I'm not using perfect software, so I need tools that are useful and do what they say.
[20:27] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: You are not going to win this argument.
[20:28] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: That's a strange thing to say - what would "winning" even mean?
[20:28] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Convincing me to make alacarte damage your filesystem.
[20:28] <Lamego> Amaranth, intentionally deletting a .desktop file is filesystem damage ? *cof* *cof*
[20:29]  * Pici agrees with Amaranth
[20:29] <Amaranth> Lamego: Things in /usr/share belong to the package that installed them
[20:29] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Perhaps we need two applications - we can call one the "Menu Icon Hider" and one the "Menu Icon Manager".
[20:29] <Amaranth> Lamego: alacarte has no right to mess with them
[20:29] <Pici> Plus, like you said, they may be re-created when the package is updated
[20:30] <Amaranth> and the package manager will just repair the damage anyway
[20:30] <Amaranth> yeah
[20:30] <RyanPrior> Well, I definitely agree that you should remove the "delete" functionality.
[20:30] <Lamego> ok, so what about making it a bit smarter, and checking if the file belongs to a deb package and warning about it ?
[20:31] <peeps[work]> my firefox just got really unresponsive and looks like it closed itself, is there a log somewhere I can look to see what happened/
[20:31] <Amaranth> Lamego: dpkg -S takes _ages_
[20:31] <RyanPrior> And I suppose I'll have to learn how the whole menu system works, since the GUI tool won't do the thing I need it to do.
[20:31] <Amaranth> Lamego: alacarte takes long enough to start as it is, that would add about 10 minutes to the start time
[20:32] <Lamego> Amaranth, with the full pathname it's quite fast
[20:32] <Amaranth> plus you'd have to run as root and alacarte should never be run as root :)
[20:32] <dany_21a> Amaranth: why checking on startup? check on delete
[20:32] <Amaranth> Lamego: you are blessed with a fast disk
[20:32] <Amaranth> dany_21a: So now delete takes a minute
[20:32] <Amaranth> Anyway, not interested
[20:32] <Lamego> Amaranth, not really, I have a regular disk, it took 0.113s
[20:33] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Where are .desktop files stored apart from ~/.local/share/applications ?
[20:33] <peeps[work]> I have been trying to run IntelliJ Idea 7.0.3 on Hardy 64bit, and it seems to be very unstable, it often becomes unresponsive, and stops redrawing the window and I have to kill it and restart.  does anyone else use IDEA here?  or maybe notice problems in other Java applications
[20:33] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: /usr/share/applications/, /usr/local/share/applications, anywhere defined in XDG_DATA_DIRS and XDG_DATA_GNOME
[20:34] <Amaranth> err, XDG_DATA_HOME
[20:34] <peeps[work]> i don't know if the IntelliJ thing it's related to my firefox crashing or not
[20:35] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: the menu spec is a PITA
[20:35] <peeps[work]> it's about the 5th time today I had to kill IntelliJ IDEA.  it was much more stable on my previous computer with Gutsy and 32bit linux.  I don't know how to diagnose any further what the issue is though
[20:36] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: I know, that's why I haven't read it very carefully. And why I prefer GUI tools for menu management.
[20:36] <Amaranth> alacarte used to be called smeg, the menu spec makes me curse a lot
[20:36] <Pici> hehe
[20:37] <alfermp> hello bazhang
[20:40]  * Amaranth really needs to finish up the version of alacarte on his disk
[20:41] <Amaranth> rewrite in vala but i was really pushing vala to its limit when i was working on it and didn't completely understand everything about vala
[20:41] <Amaranth> so it still needs quite a bit of work
[20:41] <gonzzor> I'm having trouble installing 8.04 Server in my Vmware Workstation machine
[20:42] <gonzzor> The installation process just hangs.
[20:42] <_Rambaldi_> i am learning to write scripts in for bash (gedit) but i a getting a little frustrated counting lines to locate mistakes, is there a software for writing scripts that has line numbers?
[20:43] <gonzzor> _Rambaldi_: You could just use CTRL+i
[20:44] <gonzzor> Is there someway to find out what's wrong with the installation on vmware?
[20:44] <_Rambaldi_> thanks gonzzor
[20:44] <gonzzor> :)
[20:45] <_Rambaldi_> what about writing scripts in terminal
[20:46] <Killeroid> _Rambaldi_: i temporarily forgot the command sbut i do know vi and nano both have coomands that display what line you are currently on
[20:47] <Auctionedllama> Hi
[20:47] <_Rambaldi_> vi dont like it so much
[20:47] <Auctionedllama> I just installed Hardy a day ago... and was wondering why my GUI bars at the top and bottom won't switch to a theme?
[20:47] <Killeroid> _Rambaldi_: i prefer nano
[20:47] <gonzzor> In vim you can use ctrl+G
[20:49] <Auctionedllama> Ya so, I just got hardy recently, and the GUI bars at the top stay grey, no matter what theme I apply.. how can I fix this?
[20:51] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh, can anyone help ?
[20:51] <_Rambaldi_> do you mean the panel
[20:51] <PedanticSteve> Auctionedllama: do you mean the title bar of your windows?
[20:52] <Auctionedllama> Pedanticsteve, no the bar at the top that says apps, places, etc, and the bar at the bottom
[20:52] <Auctionedllama> my windows work fine
[20:52] <_Rambaldi_> right click and select properties and background, solid color....
[20:52] <Auctionedllama> wait, but aren't they supposed to have a theme applied? or am I rettarded? xD
[20:53] <_Rambaldi_> no its independent
[20:53] <Auctionedllama> in 7.10 the theme I applied would go up there..
[20:53] <Auctionedllama> O really?
[20:53] <homer_> are there any issues playing audio cd's in 8.04? i have problems play them correct
[20:53] <Auctionedllama> hmm.. how can I make thta all cool?
[20:53] <_Rambaldi_> well it should have actually
[20:54] <Auctionedllama> _rambaldi_ so I can't make it apply a theme to those?
[20:54] <jac0b-w> does anyone know if the "The folder contents could not be displayed" error has been fixed in hardy?
[20:54] <Auctionedllama> how did studo do that?
[20:54] <Auctionedllama> *studio
[20:55] <_Rambaldi_> have you tried logging off and on, somtimes the theme is not applied globally
[20:56] <hwilde> anybody seen this error before?  "EOF in empty packet"
[20:57] <Auctionedllama> guys, is there a program for linux I can d/l that formats partitions?
[20:57] <robertw> linux comes with one
[20:57] <robertw> at least
[20:57] <Phusion> hey there, I'm running 8.04 and since going from 7.10, Virtualbox refuses to grab the mouse when running WinXP
[20:57] <Auctionedllama> what is it called robertw?
[20:57] <hwilde> !gparted | Auctionedllama
[20:57] <ubotu> Auctionedllama: GParted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[20:57] <Phusion> Auctionedllama: gparted is good
[20:57] <robertw> mke2fs
[20:58] <robertw> gparted is good, too
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> thanks mate
[20:58] <Phusion> so, anyone run into that virtualbox problem?
[20:58] <robertw> that lets you create and format them
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> O ya, one thing
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> My mouse.. is like
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> I can't scroll up
[20:58] <robertw> Phusion, haven't tried VBOX yet.  I am more of a VMWare guy myself.
[20:58] <Phusion> yeah... hrmm might give that a shot
[20:58] <Phusion> is there a free VMWare for lewnix?
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> I change it so in compiz, scrolling down spins the cube, but it won't scroll up, and no scroll up won't work on anything. if you get what I mean
[20:58] <robertw> Phusion, yeah, it's called VMWare Server
[20:58] <Phusion> word.
[20:59] <Auctionedllama> how do I fix my mouse problem, and how do I open gparted? :P
[21:00] <_Rambaldi_> gksu gparted
[21:00] <white_eagle> sorrt
[21:00] <white_eagle> sorry*
[21:04] <hwilde> anybody seen this error before?  "EOF in empty packet"
[21:04] <edoceo> Anyone know status of PostgreSQL 8.3 in Ubuntu Hardy?  My apt-cache shows some 8.3 and some 8.2 parts
[21:07] <BCBudLover83> hey. for some reason my ntfs and fat32 drives dont automount in 8.04. is anyone else having the same problem?
[21:07] <alfermp> hey guys i have problem with Hardy and my wireless card
[21:10] <white_eagle> I love how atheros chips are supported by just clicking a box
[21:10] <BCBudLover83> does ubuntu automount for any of you?
[21:11] <negge> BCBudLover83 yeah it works great for me, but there was a bug earlier that messed it up a bit
[21:11] <BCBudLover83> a bug with the rc?
[21:12] <BCBudLover83> or like an ooold bug?
[21:12] <negge> BCBudLover83 I don't know if it's in the RC anymore
[21:12] <negge> what do you mean when you say automount doesn't work? can't you mount your drives at all or is the mount point changing every reboot?
[21:13] <BCBudLover83> its weird because i see the drives under the places tab, but they arn't mounted till i click them. and i checked the fstab and i didn't see any entries in there for my drives
[21:16] <alfermp> i'm negge
[21:17] <tanner> ugh. i wish they would fix the damn automounting issue
[21:17] <UnNaturalHigh> if I did `update-manager --devel-release` would that just be equivalent to adding the hardy repo's and doing `sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade`?
[21:18] <orvokki> Mostly except you'd remove the chances of human errors.
[21:18] <UnNaturalHigh> orvokki, what do you mean human error? the second way seems pretty automated
[21:19] <redwhitewaldo> how do i play midi files in 8.04?+
[21:19] <homer_> does anyone know why my 8.04 always make a fs check on boot?
[21:20] <_Rambaldi_> tanner, whats the problem with autmounting
[21:21] <orvokki> UnNaturalHigh: Erm, the second way would include you adding Hardy repos yourself.
[21:22] <lol_h> on 8.04, will all home folders still be +rx to everyone by default?
[21:22] <orvokki> Whereas the first way is automated.
[21:22] <negge> tanner I thought they fixed it already, hasn't been a problem for me at all lately
[21:22] <UnNaturalHigh> orvokki, I already have hardy repos added and pinned, as I have been using the hardy kernel for sometime now
[21:23] <UnNaturalHigh> orvokki, I was just gonna do a full-upgrade to the hardy repo's today and wanted to ensure I was doing it properly in comparison to the command `update-manager --devel-release`
[21:23] <orvokki> I rather recommend using update-manager, really.
[21:23] <nemo> aye
[21:23] <nemo> just finished it myself. was quite smooth.
[21:23] <nemo> (on a system I hadn't updated yet)
[21:23] <nemo> want to beat the rush :)
[21:25] <mirak> hi
[21:25] <mirak> libxine1-xvdr is broken again.
[21:25] <mirak> you need to update this package when you update libxine
[21:26] <mirak> otherwise it breaks
[21:26] <komputes> how can one cat a long string into your paste buffer?
[21:27] <peter78> I've been getting random system freezes along with the fans going crazy on my laptop, any help/ advice?
[21:27] <nemo> komputes: Xpaste?
[21:27] <adinc> hello, does someone know if those usb to rs232 adapter you can buy on the market do also work with linux?
[21:27] <komputes> nemo: more info on that, how does it work, do you use/recommend it?
[21:28] <nemo> komputes: hm. actually. you want piping
[21:28] <nemo> xclip would be better for that
[21:28]  * nemo checks to see if it is in ubuntu
[21:28] <nemo> woot. it is
[21:28] <komputes> nemo: pipe as in = |
[21:28]  * nemo installs it
[21:29] <komputes> oh theres a package called pope
[21:29]  * komputes looks
[21:29] <nemo> yep, works
[21:29] <nemo> $ echo yep, works | xclip
[21:29] <nemo> komputes: presumably that is what you wanted? :)
[21:30] <komputes> nemo: so i just cat anything into xclip (presuming xclip is part of pipe.deb)
[21:31] <nemo> komputes: pretty much.
[21:31] <nemo> komputes: don't know why I never bothered installing it on this system.
[21:31] <nemo> komputes: xpaste is pretty handy too though
[21:32] <komputes> nemo: I can't find pipe
[21:33] <komputes> sudo apt-get install pipe ?
[21:33] <nemo> komputes: ummm
[21:33] <nemo> dude
[21:33] <nemo> komputes: a pipe is a standard shell concept
[21:33] <nemo> komputes: cat foo.txt | xclip
[21:33] <nemo> the | <- that is a pipe
[21:34] <nemo> komputes: the package xclip is in is... shocking. xclip ;)
[21:34] <komputes> nemo: so the package is xclip
[21:34] <komputes> ok
[21:34] <nemo> komputes: if you'd typed xclip at a prompt it would have told you that :-p
[21:34] <redwhitewaldo> which of the 2 plugin choices for firefox 3 beta 5 should i choose: 1) media plug-in for gecko browsers OR 2) MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla?
[21:34] <komputes> hehe
[21:34]  * komputes brainfarts
[21:35] <latitu> no sound in hardy.......
[21:35] <komputes> latitu: are you sure you're not deaf
[21:35] <komputes> :)
[21:36] <ar3ac> someone can confirm me about "m3u problem" with Totem or Audacious ?
[21:36] <komputes> i'm kidding, thanks nemo
[21:38] <pen> is there alternatives besides OOo?
[21:38] <rsk> pen: abiword
[21:38] <Amaranth> pen: abiword is a decent work processor
[21:39] <Amaranth> not as many features but really small and fast
[21:39] <rsk> or staroffice
[21:39] <Amaranth> s/work/word/
[21:39] <Amaranth> staroffice is OOo
[21:39] <rsk> but it might be depracated by OOo
[21:39] <pen> abiword?
[21:39] <pen> ok
[21:40] <pen> besides abiword?
[21:40] <rsk> kword i think it's called
[21:40] <rsk> or kwrite maybe
[21:41] <danny_> can I post a link to a post i made on ubuntuforums to save time, or is that against some kind of ruules?  :x
[21:41] <UnNaturalHigh> pen, medit
[21:41] <pen> UnNaturalHigh: medit?
[21:41] <pen> rsk: k
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: staroffice is almost completely deprecated by openoffice
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: except for the project management portion.
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: project management/calendaring.
[21:42] <Phusion> I am running Ubuntu 8.04 and when running Virtualbox, it will not grab the mouse
[21:42] <Amaranth> nemo: staroffice is OOo + fonts
[21:42] <Phusion> has anyone else run into this problem?
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: + pm/calendaring
[21:42] <Coder7> I'm struggling to get OpenLDAP + TLS to work while testing 8.04, any ideas?
[21:43] <UnNaturalHigh> pen, http://mooedit.sourceforge.net/
[21:43] <bipolar> Coder7: authentication?
[21:43] <bipolar> Coder7: Is it hanging on boot?
[21:44] <Coder7> bipolar: no, it loads just fine
[21:44] <Coder7> I just can't get it to do a damn thing with TLS encryption
[21:44] <darkphader> how to keep xorg.conf from being overwritten?
[21:44] <bipolar> Coder7: oh... the TLS-* lines?
[21:44] <Coder7> I've tried a dozen different configs with various options
[21:44] <Coder7> been Googling and hacking around all day
[21:44] <sahin_h> Why there is no default helper application in firefox-3 on Kubuntu Hardy?
[21:45] <Coder7> first road bump was AppArmor
[21:45] <bipolar> Coder7: create /etc/ldap/ldap.conf and put JUST the TLS_* lines in there.
[21:45] <Coder7> next, I can't get the thing to log reliably
[21:45] <bipolar> Coder7: the rest of the config goes in /etc/ldap.conf
[21:45] <Coder7> bipolar: I thought ldap.conf was only for nss stuff
[21:46] <bipolar> Coder7: not anymore
[21:46] <bipolar> Coder7: it's all been unified. there is even a debconf script to do the heavy lifting
[21:46] <Coder7> hrm, okay
[21:46] <gonzzor> Doesn't Ubuntu server support unionfs?
[21:47] <protocol1> whats the latest kernel for hardy?
[21:47] <bipolar> Coder7: when you 'apt-get install libpam-ldap libnss-ldap nss-updatedb' it will ask you about your setup. if it doesn't ask, it sees a custom config, or saw one at one point, and won't clober it.
[21:47] <bipolar> Coder7: that confused the hell outta me
[21:48] <bipolar> you have to apt-get remove --purge those packages, after deleting your manual config, to make debconf happy
[21:48] <Coder7> running `dpkg-reconfigure slapd` now
[21:48] <bipolar> Coder7: oh, thats the server.
[21:48] <Coder7> yeah, making it clean first
[21:48] <bipolar> Coder7: I'm talking just about the client.
[21:49] <Coder7> then I'll redo the client stuff :P
[21:49] <Coder7> I've hacked the hell out of both sides
[21:49] <bipolar> Not sure whats going to happen with the server in the mix. my server was already setup when I started with hardy
[21:50] <Coder7> well, it's all on the same machine
[21:50] <Auctionedllama> Hey
[21:51] <Laptop765> Greetings, I'm using 8.04RC and I have a Thinkpad with non-functioning volume keys...  I know that I can fix the problem by installing tpb, but this would seem to have the side effect of removing the ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop packages which I don't really want to do if I don't have to...any solutions?
[21:51] <Auctionedllama> How do I run that partition formatter?
[21:51] <Auctionedllama> I just downloaded, and forget what its called.. hmm
[21:51] <Coder7> bipolar: are there any problems I'm gonna run into with SASL?
[21:51] <co0lingFir3> does any1 know if kernel 2.6.25 will be implemented in hardy final?
[21:51] <Auctionedllama> Guys what is a good partition formatter for linux?
[21:52] <co0lingFir3> Auctionedllama: gparted
[21:52] <rsk> co0lingFir3: it won't
[21:52] <Auctionedllama> ok, how do I run it? I just installed it mate
[21:52] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  it is in add/remove programs
[21:52] <_Rambaldi_> i said earlier gksu gparted
[21:53] <protocol1> I am using 2.6.24-15-generic
[21:53] <protocol1>  with hardy.....does that sound like the latest?
[21:53] <Auctionedllama> ya, thansk, I already installed it, but can't find it mate
[21:53] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  It shows up under Administration as Partition Editor"
[21:53] <co0lingFir3> rsk: why not?
[21:53] <_Rambaldi_> no it is not protocol1
[21:53] <bipolar> Coder7: I don't know. I don't use it.
[21:53] <Auctionedllama> k thanks mates
[21:53] <_Rambaldi_> 16-generic is the latest
[21:53] <rsk> co0lingFir3: the kernel freeze was before 2.6.25 release
[21:53] <bipolar> Coder7: scratch that.... I used it with my postfix config.
[21:53] <rsk> co0lingFir3: but some stuff is backported along the way.
[21:53] <protocol1> how do I upgrade to latest via console?
[21:54] <bipolar> Coder7: But I think it's SASL->PAM->LDAP
[21:54] <darkphader> xorg.conf overwritten every boot
[21:54] <bipolar> No problems I remember there.
[21:54] <rsk> protocol1: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:54] <co0lingFir3> rsk: so i can install a backported kernel?
[21:54] <rsk> co0lingFir3: it's the default
[21:54] <Polygon89> Hey, my computer has locked up twice in the past two days, and each time, its completely gone. Ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt work and neither does alt+sysrq=REISUB. I do notice that when it locks up, my keyboard LEDs (the Caps lock and scroll lock) start flashing........is there some way to debug the problem?
[21:55] <Coder7> bipolar: okay, I'll tackle that one when I get to it
[21:55] <Auctionedllama> polygon89, ya that happened to me recently
[21:55] <Auctionedllama> had to reboot
[21:55] <Polygon89> keyboard flashing and everything?
[21:55] <bipolar> Coder7: good luck! :)
[21:55] <co0lingFir3> rsk: so will it be installed automatically or do i have to select it?
[21:56] <rsk> co0lingFir3: automaticly
[21:56] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama, Polygon89  Figure out what you two were running at the time of lockup and repeat it. Narrow it down so an application, then report it.
[21:56] <co0lingFir3> rsk: thats nice. do u know any eta if i may ask?
[21:56] <Polygon89> kahrytan, if the kernel completely locks up, i dont think its an application......
[21:56] <Auctionedllama> didn't notice the keyboard, but it locked up with no way out, and I was running firefox, Xchat, and that email program, trying to get it to sync with gmail, which mega phailed
[21:56] <rsk> co0lingFir3: for hardy? in 3 days :)
[21:57] <Polygon89> kahrytan, not to mention that i left my computer on while i was at school and came back to find it locked up.
[21:57] <co0lingFir3> rsk: no i mean for the backported 2.6.25 ;)
[21:57] <corporal_clegg> hello, could someone help me setting up an Apple Wireless keyboard? if I open Bluetooth Preferences, I get the device in the "Assicated Devices" list but it doesn't work
[21:57] <latitu> tapas done that
[21:57] <Auctionedllama> guys does gparted not show my hardy or w/e cause I can't find mine..
[21:58] <latitu> linas what kernel did you had sound with (the 'later' one) ?
[21:59] <tapas> latitu?
[21:59] <Auctionedllama> guys I installed Hardy via WUBI, uhm.. if I wanted to increase the space on the installation how would I do that?
[21:59] <latitu> tapas iam having no sound in hardy
[21:59] <Coder7> bipolar: so, are you saying ldapsearch and other utilities use /etc/ldap.conf ?
[22:00] <darkphader> working xorg.conf gets overwritte every boot - how can this be stopped?
[22:00] <Auctionedllama> Guys.. how do I increase my hardy installation?
[22:00] <Auctionedllama> *my hardy installation size
[22:00] <Auctionedllama> so I can have more room to install stuff
[22:01] <Polygon89> boot using a live cd and use gparted to resize the partition?
[22:01] <Auctionedllama> well I installed VIA wubi in windows
[22:01] <Lamego> check the wubi wiki
[22:02] <Auctionedllama> kthanks mate
[22:02] <co0lingFir3> rsk: any eta on backports of 2.6.25?
[22:04] <bews1> None of the scripts in /etc/acpi/suspend.d are getting run when I suspend!  Is this a known issue?
[22:05] <kahrytan> What is so important about Kernel 2.6.25?
[22:05] <Creeture> Hey guys. Hardy freshly installed. ATI card, restricted driver enabled and working. Using Xubuntu. What's the "Ubuntu Way" of setting my dual monitor display to span monitors? I can do it by hand if that's the easiest answer.
[22:05] <rsk> penis-lenght :p
[22:05] <kahrytan> rsk-> ... Was that family friendly?
[22:05] <rsk> co0lingFir3: it wont be a .25 backport just an .24 with .25 stuff backported
[22:06] <rsk> kahrytan: nope
[22:06] <kahrytan> rsk->  then shouldnt have said it
[22:06] <rsk> ok
[22:06] <mirak> hi
[22:06] <mirak> is there a way to run a program at some time
[22:06] <mirak> but without using cron
[22:06] <Creeture> mirak: man at
[22:07] <co0lingFir3> rsk: ok. nevertheless it will install automatically if i keep my sys up2date, wont it?
[22:07] <rsk> yes. :)
[22:09] <kahrytan> 3 days .. is everyone ready for the upgrade..?
[22:10] <rsk> sure is
[22:11] <kahrytan> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[22:11] <co0lingFir3> rsk: so any eta on the backported 2.6.24? :D
[22:11] <crimsun> ...
[22:11] <rsk> it's already out co0lingFir3
[22:11] <rsk> and in main
[22:11] <Polygon89> no becuase there are a ton of people getting hard kernel lockups.
[22:11] <co0lingFir3> rsk: cool
[22:11] <mirak> Creeture: this is really unergonomic ...
[22:15] <linas> latitu, the kernel that works for me is latest ubunut kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[22:15] <linas> latitu, try doing "lsmod" to make sure that sound drivers ae installed
[22:17] <dubby> hey guys im running hardy now, i was wondering, in 3 days , will my synaptic want me to upgrade my distribution?
[22:19] <crimsun> three, four, five days.  Sometime around then.
[22:19] <mvo_> dubby: no, you did that step already, you just keep getting updates via update-manager/synaptic as usual
[22:21] <erle-> hey, i have found a serious bug, but nobody seems to reproduce it
[22:21] <rsk> :/
[22:22] <Sonja> i get sound when ubuntu loads with feel-good drum login sound, but none of my appz can produce sound
[22:23] <rsk> Sonja: got 2 soundcards?
[22:23] <Sonja> rks probably
[22:23] <Sonja> rsk rather
[22:23] <Sonja> i think i'm using sblive instead of my motherboard's soundcard
[22:24] <crimsun> Sonja: fresh install or dist-upgrade?
[22:24] <kahrytan> Sonja->  you mean the sound in Sound Preferences?
[22:24] <Sonja> dist-upgrade
[22:24] <crimsun> erle-: which bug?
[22:24] <erle-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216557
[22:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216557 in ubuntu "HAL daemon eats 100 percent CPU (hardy)" [Undecided,New]
[22:24] <erle-> crimsun,
[22:24] <Sonja> in sound preferences, the tests work and produce a tone.
[22:25] <Sonja> but audacious, youtube, etc. have no sound
[22:26] <Sonja> vlc gets sound.
[22:26] <crimsun> erle-: are you sure it's not the reference in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13694336/hal_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu7_i386.changes ?
[22:26] <Sonja> weird, not all appz are soundless
[22:26] <RAOF> Sonja: It sounds like pulseaudio is running, but you haven't told ALSA to use pulse by default.
[22:26] <Sonja> RAOF how can we do that?
[22:26] <erle-> crimsun, i updated my installation today
[22:27] <RAOF> Sonja: And the 'make pulse + alsa play nicely' upload hasn't happened yet :)
[22:27] <erle-> i just booted up 5 mins ago
[22:27] <crimsun> erle-: it hasn't been accepted yet.
[22:27] <erle-> and it showed up again
[22:27] <Sonja> RAOF oh i see. so i have to wait until april 24?
[22:27] <crimsun> RAOF: it likely won't for final.  asac milestoned it for 8.04.1.
[22:27] <RAOF> Sonja: 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' will set the default ALSA device to be pluseaudio.
[22:27] <kahrytan> There seems to be allot of pulseaudio or audio related issues
[22:27] <RAOF> crimsun: Right, good.  So I can continue to say set-pulseaudio for a while now :)
[22:27] <iMatter> uhm im back with internet problems
[22:27] <iMatter> i cannot connect to any AP
[22:28] <RAOF> Sonja: That should fix everything (that doesn't use ALSA in a broken way).
[22:28] <crimsun> Sonja: the default output for vlc is now pulseaudio, BTW.  Make sure all your non-GStreamer apps are configured to use pulseaudio.
[22:28] <iMatter> im begging to think it has something to do with DHCP
[22:28] <erle-> crimsun, here is hal-ubuntu6
[22:28] <corporal_clegg> hello, I did configure an apple wireless keyboard, but the fn key doesn't work, also, the cmd key seems to not work. is there a way to make them work? thanks
[22:28] <erle-> it is the most recent version
[22:28] <crimsun> erle-: like I mentioned, the fixed version has not been accepted to be distributed.  It has built successfully, however.
[22:28] <erle-> ok
[22:29] <erle-> so you think that will fix the issue?
[22:29] <erle-> because i got no response to my bug report
[22:29] <Sonja> i tried that command, but i'm still not getting sound in youtube etc.
[22:29] <RAOF> Sonja: Right.  That's because flash is stupid.
[22:29] <Sonja> asoundconf set-pulseaudio was supposed to fix?
[22:29] <crimsun> Sonja: you have to install libflashsupport for Flash+PulseAudio support
[22:30] <Sonja> audacious also still not
[22:30] <iMatter> does dhclient and dhpd3 not work in hardy?
[22:30] <kahrytan> crimsun->  doesnt that crash ff allot?
[22:30] <crimsun> Sonja: install audacious-plugins-extra
[22:30] <Sonja> ok
[22:30] <crimsun> kahrytan: "that"?
[22:30]  * RAOF presumes he's talking about libflashsupport
[22:30] <kahrytan> crimsun->  didnt you said that libflashsupport crashes ff often?
[22:30] <crimsun> kahrytan: if you're referring to libflashsupport, it's extremely unstable on some configurations.
[22:30] <Sonja> already have audacious-plugins-extra
[22:31] <Sonja> youtube still mute
[22:32] <rinaldi_> hi, I was reading up on the ubuntu website about the mobile version. How does that work? Is it available in any current devices?
[22:32] <crimsun> Sonja: is libflashsupport installed?
[22:32] <Sonja> let me check
[22:33] <Sonja> yes it already was
[22:33] <jaffarkel>
[22:33] <nemo> After updating this machine to Hardy (still on a 105 key generic US layout) my numpad has stopped working in X
[22:33] <nemo> suggestions?
[22:33] <Sonja> in summary: ubuntu system sounds and vlc work fine. but youtube and audacious produce no sound.
[22:33] <crimsun> Sonja: is pavucontrol installed?
[22:34] <Sonja> installing ict now
[22:34] <kahrytan> Sonja->  Dont forget Totem.
[22:34] <Sonja> you want me to test if totem is working?
[22:35] <nemo> Sonja: what sound system did you set audacious to use ?
[22:35] <nemo> Sonja: ALSA ?
[22:35] <nemo> Sonja: is it outputting anything to STDERR?
[22:35] <Sonja> i didn't set anything.
[22:35] <Sonja> should i go in audacious preferences and change something?
[22:35] <Auctionedllama> Hi guys
[22:35] <crimsun> 17:28      crimsun > Sonja: the default output for vlc is now pulseaudio, BTW.  Make sure all your non-GStreamer apps are configured to use pulseaudio.
[22:36] <sivel27> hello all
[22:36] <nemo> crimsun: how would that work with flash? :)
[22:36] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh, I just transferred Hardy into a real partition.. and now uh.. there are like 40 options in GRUB, and 4 of them are from my old 7.10 which I just formatted.. and none of the hardy options will start..
[22:36] <nemo> crimsun: can ALSA be pointed at pulseaudio ?
[22:36] <Auctionedllama> any help?
[22:36] <sivel27> is anyone else experiencing slow repo download bandwidth, or is it just my nic?
[22:36] <Sonja> totem also has sound.
[22:36] <crimsun> nemo: sure.  RAOF recommended one method.
[22:37] <Sonja> so i go in the audacious settings and set it to pulseaudio?
[22:37] <crimsun> Sonja: I would recommend that, yes.
[22:37] <Auctionedllama> ?
[22:37] <crimsun> Sonja: also, go ahead and open `pavucontrol', then navigate to a Flash web site
[22:38] <crimsun> Auctionedllama: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:38] <Sonja> audacious now works.
[22:38] <Sonja> thanks
[22:38] <Sonja> let me try flash now
[22:38] <Auctionedllama> k, one sec matey
[22:38] <kahrytan> Audacious worked out of the box.
[22:39] <kahrytan> for me
[22:39] <kahrytan> Sonja, you upgraded?
[22:39] <nemo> Auctionedllama: hm. that proceeded rather smoothly for me. erm. are you maybe having an issue with UUIDs ?
[22:39] <Sonja> yes
[22:39] <nemo> Auctionedllama: did you do a dd of the entire disc structure, or did you copy into fresh partitions?
[22:39] <nemo> Auctionedllama: I did a dd, then resized. worked like a charm. didn't have to change anything to speak of.
[22:39] <Auctionedllama> http://pastebin.com/m2d42fc91
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> nemo, I have no idea
[22:40] <kahrytan> crimsun->  i wonder how many sound issues it related to upgrades
[22:40] <nemo> Auctionedllama: in what way does that pastebin answer my question?
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> uhm, someone asked for it
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> lol
[22:40] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you are saying "real" so I assume you were running hardy in a VM
[22:40] <crimsun> kahrytan: oh, something like 90%
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> Yes, I installed VIA wubi
[22:40] <nemo> Auctionedllama: if so, how did you move hardy *out* of the VM?
[22:40] <kahrytan> crimsun->  so, Yet another Upgrade no-no for Ubuntu?
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> I followed this guide : http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lvpm.html
[22:40] <crimsun> kahrytan: come again?
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> and I checked, and its in where I want it to be
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> but, the grub is a blowout
[22:40] <Sonja> youtube works now! thanks crimsun. do i hove to open pavucontrol every time? or just that one time fix0red it permanently now?
[22:41] <NW2190> Hi, I have hardy installed but I just installed openSUSE and I accidently installed the boot loader (also GRUB). Is there a way to change the setup to use Hardy's grub menu.lst?
[22:41] <kahrytan> crimsun->  Ive noticed upgrades seem to not work as well as clean installs
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> it transfered alright, just the fact that grub is like, broke, there are so many options in it, and none of them work,
[22:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: offhand guess, that method creates new partitions with new UUIDs
[22:41] <crimsun> Sonja: you'll need to use pavucontrol if you wish to move the Flash stream.
[22:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: either fix your partitions to use the old UUIDs or update grub and /etc/fstab to use the new ones
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> erm, I'll do option 2 :P
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> how do I do, that?
[22:41] <iMatter> so can anyone help me with my internet problem?
[22:41] <crimsun> kahrytan: some programs have configurations that are quite volatile, which greatly complicates upgrades.
[22:41] <hmuller> NW2190: Hit c when grub starts and set grub back up on your hardy partition, you may have to read up first
[22:42] <crimsun> kahrytan: on the whole, however, upgrading is wholly usable.
[22:42] <kahrytan> crimsun->  or old settings dont play nice with the new software
[22:42] <Auctionedllama> nemo, how do I do "option 2"?
[22:42] <nemo> Auctionedllama: well. get the new UUIDs then do a find and replace in the grub menu.lst and /etc/fstab
[22:42] <nemo> not that bad
[22:42] <Auctionedllama> how do I get the UUIds?
[22:42] <hmuller> NW2190:  you would type something like grub> root (hd0,#) where # is the grub partition where hardy is installed, grub numbers from 0 on up
[22:43] <NW2190> hmuller: oh, so I can do it all at start up? Ya that makes sense I'll go do that. Thanks a for the help.
[22:43] <Auctionedllama> Sorry, I know not much about HDD terms, I'm more of a code guy, please excuse my ignorance
[22:43] <hmuller> NW2190:  then you would type grub> setup (hd,#)
[22:43] <NW2190> hmuller: right I need to change mine to (hd0,1). Thanks again.
[22:43] <hmuller> NW2190: no problem, i've done that lots of times
[22:43] <nemo> Auctionedllama: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[22:43] <nemo> Auctionedllama: although there are other ways
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> ok. looking uhm
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> I see a lot of stuff
[22:44] <bent_> Hey #ubuntu+1, I have a broadcom driver issue. Like, the b43 drivers don't work, and I can't get ndiswrapper to be in working order. I'm trying again... but is there some bug/other issue?
[22:44] <nemo> Auctionedllama: vol_id for example
[22:44] <kahrytan> nemo->  blkid would work
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> want it pastebinned?
[22:44] <Sonja> thanks crimsun and RAOF
[22:44] <nemo> kahrytan: or that :)
[22:44] <nemo> kahrytan: lots of ways :-p
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> there we are http://pastebin.com/m53da9cb6
[22:44] <nemo> kahrytan: tunefs...
[22:44] <kahrytan> nemo->  but dir listing is best .. no sudo required
[22:44] <DanaG> Argh
[22:44] <nemo> Auctionedllama: which partition is your / ?
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> lemme check one sec
[22:45] <nemo> Auctionedllama: and do you have a separate one for /boot ?
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> Don't think so, one sec mate
[22:45] <hmuller> crimsun: (off topic) are you aware of any regularly scheduled keysigning parties in the DC area?
[22:45] <nemo> hmuller: oh. hey!
[22:45] <nemo> hmuller: if so. lemme know. I've been meaning to go to one
[22:46] <nemo> hmuller: http://biglumber.com/ ?
[22:46] <Auctionedllama> nemo, SDA2 is where my windows and wubi is installed (and boot), and I transferred hardy to SDA3 and SDA 5 is my swap. not sure what 4 is
[22:46] <Auctionedllama> and SDA1 is a utility Bios partition
[22:46] <crimsun> hmuller: I don't know of regularly scheduled ones, no.  I will be at the GW ACM's hardy installfest, however.
[22:46] <hmuller> nemo: I've used big lumber, only one hit out of 7.  There's a possible monthly at the baltolug
[22:47] <nemo> hmuller: really? details?
[22:47] <nemo> hmuller: also looking for Thawte notaries, but that at least has a better directory
[22:47] <hmuller> nemo: if you search for MD you'll find the baltolug, if you want to coordinate a personal exchange of finger prints then shoot an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:47] <nemo> Auctionedllama:  ok. so you're saying sda2 is the partition that /  is on?
[22:47] <Auctionedllama> uhm.. I think
[22:48] <Auctionedllama> Yes
[22:48] <tomasko> df
[22:48] <DanaG> Argh, why the heck do pdflush and kblockd keep writing to my hard drive?
[22:48] <nemo> Auctionedllama: sooo. does the UUID match the one for root in your menu.lst? :)
[22:48] <DanaG> It happens literally at least once every single second.
[22:48] <Auctionedllama> Thats where my core of files are.. mainly all windows, and thats where wubi installed, but I want to boot into SDA3 which is where I copied all my hardy files into
[22:48] <Auctionedllama> lemme check
[22:48] <DanaG> It's really stupid.
[22:48] <crimsun> DanaG: what sort of memory pressure are you under?
[22:48] <nemo> hmuller: don't suppose you're a thawte notary? :)
[22:49] <hmuller> nemo: No, just a regular guy =)
[22:49] <nemo> Auctionedllama: anyway. point is, unless you tell the kernel what partition the / of your filesystem is on, you won't get far.
[22:49] <hmuller> crimsun:  Thanks for the tip, I'll put it on my calendar
[22:49] <iMatter> guess no one can help...
[22:49] <Auctionedllama> Ok.. wait
[22:49] <Auctionedllama> but if.. I want it to default boot into SDA3.. uhm
[22:49] <nemo> Auctionedllama: sooo, yeah, that's why I just overwrote my entire disc. was much easier. no mucking about with this nonsense.
[22:50] <hmuller> iMatter: maybe not, what's the nature of your internet problem?
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> lol
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> one sec
[22:50] <DanaG> Oh, I'm at 433/1009 megabytes used, and I've disabled swap.
[22:50] <iMatter> hmuller: well i cannot connect to any AP really i beileve it has something to do with DHCP not working properly
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> lemme just screw with this.
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> brb, tell you if it works
[22:51] <DanaG> And I've also set my journal commit time to something like 300 seconds, in both fstab and in grub rootflags.
[22:51] <hmuller> iMatter: What is /var/log/syslog telling you about dhcp?
[22:51] <iMatter> second...im in another distro for internet opening it up
[22:53] <iMatter> Ooh Jeez
[22:53] <iMatter> its full >.>
[22:54] <DanaG> Oh, and ksoftirqd is also showing up.
[22:54] <iMatter> Apr 21 01:21:58 son9524-laptop dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
[22:54] <iMatter> Apr 21 01:26:22 son9524-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 8
[22:55] <hmuller> iMatter: What type of AP are you trying to connect to?
[22:55] <crimsun> DanaG: no, I'm referring to proc.sys.vm
[22:55] <Baby_Shambl3s> who has a link to the blue heron desktop image?
[22:55] <crimsun> DanaG: keep in mind things like readahead.
[22:55] <UnNaturalHigh> I was thinking of going completely to hardy heron (as my laptop is currently somewhere between hardy and gutsy) my question is I am using the elbuntu repos for e17 which are made for gutsy, does anyone think this would not work with hardy heron?
[22:55] <iMatter> WEP
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> UnNaturalHigh: I'm thinking no.....
[22:56] <UnNaturalHigh> good
[22:56] <nemo> iMatter: BTW. My personal issue with wireless auth was that there is a bug in auth - if you use network admin, you can't use a passphrase with spaces in it
[22:56] <UnNaturalHigh> considering that most of the core parts of my laptop are already running hardy packages I think it should work
[22:56] <nemo> iMatter: or quotes
[22:56] <nemo> iMatter: is kind of a stupid bug.
[22:56] <UnNaturalHigh> maybe I should try it in a virtual machine first
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> I mean I think it WON"T work.... worst that can happen is you have to uninstall the packages though
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> I think
[22:57] <hmuller> iMatter: Can you set the wireless router to be open and test?
[22:57] <iMatter> i use WICD
[22:57] <iMatter> that doesnt work either...
[22:57] <iMatter> does dhclient command not work anymore? always gives permission denied even when i do it with root privs via sudo or su
[22:57] <hmuller> iMatter: You cannot receive an IP with the router open?
[22:58] <iMatter> at one point i got connected enough but i didnt have an IP
[22:58] <nemo> iMatter: what's your card?
[22:58] <iMatter> nope i tried manually doing ifconfig ath0 192.x.x.x.
[22:58] <iMatter> Atheros AR5006EG
[22:58] <iMatter> and im sure its 5006EG
[22:58] <hmuller> iMatter: I quit using dhcp clients manually and let network-manager do all my work for me
[22:58] <nemo> hmuller: that's what got me into trouble :-p
[22:59] <DanaG> **** sucky network.
[22:59] <hmuller> nemo: iMatter:  it looks like any possible solution will have to come from nemo then  =)
[22:59] <DanaG> I have no idea what things made it through.
[22:59] <Baby_Shambl3s> who cna find me the link in ubuntuforums for the blue heron desktop image it seems it has vanished 0_o???
[23:00] <hmuller> nemo:  network-manager does the job well with the intel 4965
[23:00] <crimsun> 17:55      crimsun > DanaG: no, I'm referring to proc.sys.vm
[23:00] <crimsun> 17:55      crimsun > DanaG: keep in mind things like readahead.
[23:00]  * iMatter looks at nemo
[23:01] <DanaG> Hmm, what was the last thing you saw me say?
[23:01]  * hmuller looks at iMatter looking at nemo
[23:01]  * jbroome looks at a glass onion
[23:01] <Some_Person> why does it say "Opening 0 items" in the taskbar when opening firefox?
 Oh, and ksoftirqd is also showing up.
[23:01] <linas> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b5 and 1.9b5.
[23:01] <DanaG> aah.
[23:02] <DanaG> Hmm, what should I do about that disk activity?
[23:02] <Auctionedllama> nemo, it ruined everything D;
[23:02] <linas> So firefox stopped working for me, maybe a week ago ... and the message I get is " Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b5 and 1.9b5."
[23:03] <nemo> Auctionedllama: means you did it wrong, no doubt.
[23:03] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you remembered to update /etc/fstab too right
[23:03] <DanaG> Sometimes I'll go on battery and it'll be fine.  Other times, it'll be messed up like that once-per-second write.
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> nemo, all the boot options are dead, and when i go to start windows, I can still choose ubuntu, but it won't login, it takes me to commands
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> aww hell
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> How do I get back in to edit it?
[23:03] <nemo> Auctionedllama: mount it off a CD
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> erm, how?
[23:03] <mirak> how can I exit a script cleanly with a key without doing a ctlr+c
[23:03] <mirak> ?
[23:04] <iMatter> well brb.
[23:04] <linas> mirak .. what you ask is not mormally possible,  .. why do you ask?
[23:04] <nemo> Auctionedllama: ... you're mucking with VMs and disc images and grub and you don't know how to mount a partition?
[23:04] <jbroome> awsm
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> lol?
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> erm
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> Yes
[23:04] <RAOF> mirak: Well, ctrl+c, generally :)
[23:05] <nemo> Auctionedllama: not a good idea.
[23:05] <mirak> linas: I have script with wget downloading forever. I want to be able to stop wget, and have still some commands cleaning stuffs after it's ended
[23:05] <Auctionedllama> ok, just explain what to do
[23:05] <jbroome> i guess GTFW isn't an appropriate response
[23:05] <RAOF> mirak: Oh.  Just kill wget.
[23:05] <mirak> in fact I have a sopcast stream, and I wget on the http://localhost/stream.asf
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> so
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> liek
[23:06] <linas> mirak, from the command-line, do "ps aux |grep wget"  then kill for the pid, and "kill -9 " the pid
[23:06] <jbroome> or pkill wget
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> I can login to command line
[23:06] <linas> mirak, I think "killall wget" will do this in an easier manner
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> what do I do from there?
[23:06] <RAOF> linas: It's generally a better idea to send SIGTERM before you SIGKILL.
[23:06] <nemo> linas: I'm a fan of psauwx :)
[23:06] <nemo> linas: more to grep on
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> nemo, you there mate?
[23:06] <jbroome> the linux cat, there are many ways to skin it
[23:07] <linas> yes, right!
[23:07] <nemo> linas: ps auwx | grep wget | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill
[23:07] <nemo> :)
[23:07] <hads> You should be able to hanle the signal too.
[23:07] <RAOF> linas: That gives wget a chance to exit semi-normally.  If it doesn't do that, _then_ sigkill :)
[23:07] <linas> nemo tell thaat ti mirak not me
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> nemo, suppose you could halp mate?
[23:07] <nemo> Auctionedllama: *sigh*
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> And if you were talking about mounting a disc on bootup, I know how to do that..
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> Like a CD on bootup
[23:08] <hads> http://fvue.nl/wiki/Bash:_Catch_error
[23:08] <nemo> Auctionedllama: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/adirectoryicreated
[23:08] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you know how to do that right
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[23:08] <mirak> linas: but there is no command that can hog the keyboard and exit on some command ?
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> I type that into grub?
[23:08] <nemo> Auctionedllama: nooo. I said boot off a live CD and fix it
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> Ya well
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> I don't have a live cd
[23:08] <nemo> make one
[23:08] <nemo> good thing to have
[23:08] <linas> soo ... dumb question: everyone has updated to the latest hardy in the last few days, and firefox works for them, yes?
[23:08] <nemo> especially if you are doing this kind of thing
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> how do i get one?
[23:08] <nemo> download it and burn it.
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> I have the alternate disc and the desktop eddition
[23:09] <nemo> fine. those work
[23:09] <Auctionedllama> Is the alternate a live?
[23:09] <crimsun> (no)
[23:09] <Auctionedllama> Ya.. well both won't boot.. I choose them and it skips it
[23:09] <Auctionedllama> like it loads for a sec.. but then goes straight to grub
[23:09] <nemo> linas: I've had some issues with firebug.
[23:09] <nemo> linas: since firebug works in a separate profile, something happened to mine in latest update
[23:10] <Auctionedllama> nemo, bah, I am confused
[23:10] <RAOF> nemo: Oh?  There's a ff3-compatible firebug?
[23:10] <nemo> need to figure out what, might have to recreate profile after backing up settings. that'll be a pain
[23:10] <nemo> RAOF: well, I was using ff3 for a while. not sure if it is a general bug or just my bad luck
[23:10] <nemo> RAOF: I've already tried resetting almost every user defined setting in about:config - and wiping localstore.rdf
[23:10] <nemo> RAOF: not stressed. I'll figure it out
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo, sorry to bother you mate.. but can you get me a link to a live cd?
[23:11] <TwoD> I'm having troubles with constant kernel panics when accessing files on one (or possibly more) of my hdd's. (Don't know which one, got no clue how to actually identify which device corresponds to which physical disk...) For example, it happens each time I try to unpack a large file, comp just freezes and numlock blinks. No errors or anything. Got the advice to use smartctl and mcelog but I have no clue how to actually make those do anyth
[23:11] <TwoD> ing useful... No wonder people run back to Windoze when Linux does something like this hehe..
[23:11] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you said you had the desktop edition
[23:11] <nemo> Auctionedllama: that is a live CD
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo: I do..
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo: do I run it on bootup? cause that doesn't work
[23:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> 0_o no one downloaded or has a link of the blue heron? dang i wish i had saved that image or link can on i know someone has it, not the ones from gnome look but the one posted in ubuntuforums?
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo: it just skips over it and goes straight to grub
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> unless I run it in windows
[23:12] <nemo> Auctionedllama: well. probably need to change your boot settings in your bios
[23:12] <Auctionedllama> uhm.. well other bootdiscs work
[23:12] <linas> nemo, my firefox doesn't work due to bug 201938 and that bug seems to be marked low prioruty
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201938 in xulrunner-1.9 "Conflicts has not been updated for ~b4 (firefox cannot start after xulrunner upgrade)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201938
[23:12] <Auctionedllama> is it just the disc or?
[23:12] <nemo> TwoD: oh. right. windows has never crashed on large files :-p
[23:12] <linas> ubotu, yes, that's the one
[23:12] <nemo> TwoD: not really enough detail to form a useful response though
[23:13] <TwoD> nemo, never like this...
[23:13] <hmuller> linas: ubotu is a robot, not real
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: out of curiosity, does Magic SysRQ still work?
[23:13] <kahrytan> nemo->  right, windows doesnt
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: you haven't used windows long enough then...
[23:13] <TwoD> nemo, say what?
[23:13] <hmuller> linas:  you mentioned a bug, and it displayed the bug information
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: has crashed for me in all kinds of creative ways :-p
[23:13] <TwoD> nemo, is 10+ years enough?
[23:13] <linas> what does "Incomplete" mean on the bug report?
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: well, is less than me, but whatever.
[23:13] <_Rambaldi> no way, thereis a robot in here?
[23:14] <nemo> TwoD: fine. you've just been unnaturally lucky
[23:14] <hmuller> linas: that generally means more information is needed by the developers
[23:14] <nemo> TwoD: or had very simple HW configurations
[23:14] <kahrytan> nemo->  I havent had windows do that
[23:14] <nemo> kahrytan: blue screen due to a HD error?
[23:14] <nemo> kahrytan: never?
[23:14] <hmuller> !uboto > _Rambaldi
[23:14] <kahrytan> nemo->  in XP, never had BSoD
[23:14] <_Rambaldi> i was kidding hmuller, you realise that
[23:15] <hmuller> _Rambaldi: =) I do now ...
[23:15] <Auctionedllama> nemo, bah, how do I edit my bios then? I really want to get this running
[23:15] <nemo> kahrytan: yeah. you've been pretty damn lucky too.  have had 'em due to HD errors, device issues, just for no good reason...
[23:15] <kahrytan> nemo->  never had single BSoD for Xp for any reason.
[23:15] <nemo> kahrytan: bad memory
[23:15] <nemo> kahrytan: lots of reasons.
[23:15] <Auctionedllama> nemo, I'm in my bios setup now..
[23:15] <TwoD> don't think so... anyways, I'm not here to put more firewood on the windows vs linux debate. I want to know how to actually get some useful info from a kernel panic, and how to possibly diagnose my hdds (which do work fine in windoze ;P)
[23:15] <latitu> no sound in hardy........ any help? i have kernal 16
[23:15] <Auctionedllama> nemo, what do I change?
[23:15] <nemo> TwoD: well. if you're going to start with a statement like "windows doesn't do this" in a linux support channel... :-p
[23:16] <kahrytan> nemo->  98se is different story. but not for those reasons.
[23:16] <nemo> TwoD: anyway, does MagicSysRQ work?
[23:16] <nemo> kahrytan: NT core ain't bad, but it was far from a stable beastie.
[23:16] <hmuller> latitu: What sound card do you have?
[23:16] <nemo> Auctionedllama: I don't know your bios. JFGI
[23:16] <TwoD> nemo, sorry I forgot you asked that before. I'm not familiar with that.
[23:16] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you might want to take a little initiative here
[23:16] <nemo> TwoD: oh. and did anything get dumped to syslog before the crash?
 latitu_, I had no sound at first, but then, with a later kernel in Hardy, it started working again.  linas . which kernal?
[23:17] <kahrytan> nemo->  you could be an unlucky person/
[23:17] <latitu> hmuller dont know
[23:17] <nemo> TwoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[23:17] <m1r> Auctionedllama: try press f1-f12 buttons and maybe u get boot options for certain device
[23:17] <latitu> hmuller how to check
[23:17] <latitu> hmuller i have intel dual core. sound card is builtin i thing
[23:17] <kahrytan> m1r->  dont forget delete key
[23:17] <nemo> kahrytan: or used more machines.
[23:17] <hmuller> latitu: run this in a terminal $ lspci | grep Audio
[23:17] <nemo> kahrytan: or worked on more development environments
[23:17] <thatGuy_> any reason why sudo would stop working? after attempting to run something, it goes directly back to command prompt without stating 'incorrect password' or anything
[23:17] <TwoD> nemo, no. I've looked through the syslog and kernel log after many of these freezes, but nothing. I've even had them open while the panic happened.
[23:18] <nemo> kahrytan: if you're only working on some laptop with windows preinstalled and heavily tested by manufacturer, sure, I can believe you'll never get a blue screen :)
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[23:18] <kahrytan> nemo->  I've only had 3 pcs in 10 years.
[23:18] <hmuller> latitu:   sweet, you are in luck ...
[23:18] <crimsun> latitu: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash
[23:18] <nemo> kahrytan: I've only had 2. of course, the pieces got replaced a lot
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller iwas working before with gutsy
[23:18] <Auctionedllama> Well, I am screwed it seems
[23:18] <hmuller> latitu:  Open up volume control ...
[23:18] <_Rambaldi> what command are you running with sudo thatGuy
[23:18] <Baby_Shambl3s> if i wnated flash in firefox3b5 which should i choose to install i.e. adobe flash, Swfdec player, gnash sfw?
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller ya..
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller ya..then?
[23:19] <latitu> crimsun whats that.
[23:19] <thatGuy_> _Rambaldi: I've tried several.  aptitude, cat on root files, etc.
[23:19] <crimsun> Baby_Shambl3s: by default, probably flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport
[23:19] <hmuller> latitu: select Edit > Preferences ...
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: well. playing around with magic sysrq might get you more info. dunno
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: I assumed you've fscked the discs.  also. what filesystems are you using?
[23:19] <hmuller> latitu: then check the surround box, then make sure it is all the way up
[23:19] <TwoD> nemo, ah now I know what you mean, haven't tried the magic keys actually. Was afraid I might hurt something hehe
[23:19] <TwoD> ntfs hehe =P
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: magic is strongly recommended.
[23:19] <Some_Person> Uh oh, I got the "Not all updates can be installed" message
[23:19] <nemo> OH GEEZ
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: DUDE!!!
[23:19] <thatGuy_> even sudo vi goes directly back to command prompt.  i haven't edited the sudoers file, or been using the computer as root
[23:20] <Auctionedllama> hey nemo.. is there any way to edit that file from the command prompt I am getting for ubuntu?
[23:20] <nemo> TwoD: you're annoyed that a REVERSE ENGINEERED file system driver is causing crashes?
[23:20] <linas> latitu, the current latest Hardy kernel works for me
[23:20] <TwoD> Told you they run fine in windows, what else would (cept fat...)
[23:20] <nemo> oh god
[23:20] <nemo> anyway.
[23:20] <Auctionedllama> name ?
[23:20] <Auctionedllama> nemo?
[23:20] <hmuller> latitu:  results?
[23:20] <nemo> TwoD: good luck with that. try kicking up log levels and I guess you could file a bug
[23:20] <nemo> TwoD: but seriously. isn't like microsoft has published specifications for these poor bastards
[23:20] <TwoD> nemo, no, I'm annoyed they've worked before upgrading to Hardy.
[23:21] <nemo> TwoD: windows can do bad things if you mount ext3
[23:21] <nemo> TwoD: and that spec is friggen documented.
[23:21] <TwoD> yeah, that's why I'm not doing it that way...
[23:21] <nemo> TwoD: ah. then. I guess you should file a bug quickly then, before the release...
[23:21] <Alex_Gaynor> I have a machine here with a belkin F5D7050 that I just installed the Hardy Heron RC on, it seems to see a wireless network, prompts me for the WPA key, however it is never able to connect,  I am using the same network with a laptop right next to it, and the wifi works fine under windows, I assume I screwed something up with the config, is there a way I can reset everything related to the...
[23:21] <Some_Person> Hey! What does this mean: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1759/screenshotupdatemanagercf1.png
[23:21] <Alex_Gaynor> ...wlan0 interface?
[23:22] <TwoD> nemo, but I don't know what to put in the bug report, as I have no clue what's causing the bug yet hehe
[23:22] <hmuller> Some_Person: looks like a link to a picture
[23:22] <nemo> TwoD: you don't even have a reproducible file action? like creating a 4 gig file or something?
[23:22] <fAlCoNNiAn> hmuller, LOL
[23:22] <Some_Person> hmuller: Yeah, I know that. What should I do though?
[23:22] <lucasv1> hi
[23:22] <lucasv1> are there any known stability issues in FF?
[23:22] <fAlCoNNiAn> Some_Person, when did you start getting that error
[23:23] <lucasv1> my FF regularly crashes and eats up 100% of my cpu
[23:23] <Some_Person> hmuller: Just now when I opened Update manager
[23:23] <nemo> TwoD: you're using the userspace driver right?
[23:23] <hmuller> Some_Person: run the partial, then run update-manager again
[23:23] <m1r> lucasv1: ff is beta
[23:23] <Some_Person> hmuller: ok, thanks
[23:23] <hmuller> Some_Person: if it can't do everything today, don't worry, it'll finish later
[23:23] <Some_Person> hmuller: ok
[23:23] <lucasv1> m1r: but there are only a few days left till the release, right?
[23:23] <fAlCoNNiAn> lucasv1, the 24th
[23:23] <m1r> nothing to do with ff
[23:24] <lucasv1> yeah.
[23:24] <hmuller> fAlCoNNiAn: =) that's the literal in me
[23:24] <lucasv1> fAlCoNNiAn: what version of FF will you ship with HH?
[23:24] <TwoD> nemo, tbh I actually forgot I was running ntfs filesystems (as they've worked smoothly before, which I'm very grateful for) until you brought it up. I'm using the ntfs-3g driver I installed while in Gutsy. Didn't know of any others, if they're not the same.
[23:24] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone on how to completely reset all wireless settings for a given interface?
[23:25] <TwoD> blah, need to proofread what I type lol
[23:25] <Auctionedllama> nemo, I'm back into hardy.. what was the file you wanted me to change?
[23:25] <nemo> TwoD: there are several, yes
[23:25] <nemo> TwoD: there is the kernel read/write support which last I checked doesn't support file creation
[23:25] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: define 'reset' more?
[23:25] <nemo> TwoD: there is ntfs-3g and ntfstools for userspace
[23:26] <nemo> Auctionedllama: /etc/fstab ...
[23:26] <Auctionedllama> thanks mate
[23:26] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you should consider doing IRC on another machine so you don't have to keep asking things over
[23:26] <Auctionedllama> I'm on another machine
[23:26] <Auctionedllama> I had too
[23:26] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: When I originally set this machine up I had to play with some trying to get wifi set up from cli using iwconfig, I'm afraid I may have messed something up with the interface, because it can see the network, asks for my password, but refuses to connect, even though I'm using the same network rihgt next to it
[23:27] <kahrytan_> Now I know how people feel when system completely locks up
[23:27] <TwoD> nemo, I can duplicate the kernel panic by unpacking a ~4gb rar packet (multipart)... gets to about 800mb and then boom...
[23:27] <m1r> Alex_Gaynor: /etc/network/interfaces - cehck there
[23:27] <fAlCoNNiAn> lucasv1, i believe that firefox 3 will be shipped with HH
[23:27] <nemo> TwoD: file a bug then.
[23:28] <_derspankster> with few FF extensions
[23:28] <Alex_Gaynor> m1r: It gives me a command not found
[23:28] <nemo> TwoD: ideally with both ubuntu and ntfs-3g
[23:28] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: trying to remember iwconfig before I started using network-manager
[23:28] <TwoD> nemo, I could also replicate it before by trying to recheck incomplete downloads in µTorrent. But that was resolved by deleting the incomplete files and starting over (leaving the complete files from the torrent package)
[23:28] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: mlr means you should READ that, not run it
[23:29] <m1r> Alex_Gaynor: it is file for your network devices list
[23:29] <Alex_Gaynor> m1r, hmuller : Just realized that it has: `auto lo \n iface low inet loopback`
[23:30] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: that's the same thing mine has
[23:30] <nemo> TwoD: I don't use the windows partition for anything that drastic. some a/v and firefox partition
[23:31] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: maybe you could right-click network manager, select 'Edit Wireless Networks' and delete the entry, and redo it?
[23:31] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: Hrm, it's a Belkin F5D7050(USB G), since it sees the network and such I don't think its a driver issue, is it possible that it is
[23:31] <nemo> TwoD: I still don't trust a *REVERSE ENGINEERED* driver that much :-p
[23:31] <TwoD> I've got 5 disks with ntfs partitions hehe
[23:31] <TwoD> 1TB+
[23:31] <nemo> TwoD: why?
[23:31] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: There are none listed(probably since it can never actually connect)
[23:31] <m1r> reformat to ext3 TwoD;)
[23:31] <nemo> TwoD: I have that much, but all ext3
[23:31] <nemo> m1r: amen
[23:31] <linxeh> nemo: most of the older linux drivers are reverse engineered.
[23:32] <linxeh> nemo: they seem to be pretty rock solid...
[23:32] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: What type of AP are you trying to connect to?
[23:32] <TwoD> cause I dual boot and had windows installed years before linux?
[23:32] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: Another Belkin G network, WPA  encryption(I'm connecting to it fine from this laptop)
[23:32] <nemo> linxeh: um. bit of a difference between a video driver and something manipulating a complex file tree
[23:32] <Lunks> I can't do anything about my wireless through network manager. It's simply not listed there. =\
[23:32] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: Which is also running HH
[23:32] <linxeh> nemo: depends how important your files are ;-)
[23:32] <nemo> linxeh: sure. I'll trust a reverse engineered network driver - because it isn't going to erase my porn when it starts dropping packets
[23:33] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: thinking ...
[23:33] <linxeh> nemo: sure :) but then you'd store your porn and any other important files on a well understood filesystem :)
[23:33] <nemo> TwoD: anyway, I see no mention of a 4GiB limit on ntfs-3g oddly enough
[23:33] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: k
[23:33] <nemo> linxeh: absolutely. I trust my porn to ext3 :-p
[23:34] <linxeh> :)
[23:34] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: currently rereading iwconfig manpage ...
[23:34] <nabcore> what driver is actually using? acx?
[23:34] <TwoD> nemo, I've handled larger files than that before, which is why I'm suspecting a bad disk. ntfs-3g drivers might not be solid enough to handle bad sectors or something like that yet?
[23:35] <nemo> hmuller: um. sorry to be a nag, but your passphrase has no spaces or special chars or quote marks, right?
[23:35] <nemo> TwoD: well. I did ask you if you'd fscked
[23:35] <nemo> TwoD: that was code for "bad disc"
[23:35] <TwoD> and I said I don't know how
[23:35] <nemo> TwoD: heck. that's what causes most of my windows blue screens. bad memory, bad disc, bad HW, occasionally bad HD or trying something too aggressive...
[23:35] <hmuller> nemo: you mean for my wireless connection?  If so, I use special characters, but only after alphanumeric
[23:36] <hmuller> nemo: I'm not having the issue Alex_Gaynor is
[23:36] <TwoD> true I guess
[23:36] <nemo> hmuller: oh. I thought you were failing to associate
[23:36] <nemo> hmuller: I had filed a bug on that with my driver only to discover the flaw wasn't in the driver
[23:36] <nemo> hmuller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217809/comments/4
[23:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[23:37] <hmuller> nemo: no, Alex_Gaynor previously set his wireless interface up using iwconfig.  As far as I remember iwconfig doesn't store settings?
[23:37] <Krzzzz> hello folks
[23:37] <nemo> hmuller: in this particular case I was getting errors from iwconfig on ifup/ifdown...
[23:37] <hmuller> nemo:  That's interesting, but he's using a Belkin
[23:37] <nemo> hmuller: but ok. just suggesting he change his passphrase to something simple
[23:37] <nemo> hmuller: right. well. the error was not in the driver
[23:37] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: are you following the conversationi?
[23:38] <Alex_Gaynor> More or less
[23:38] <Alex_Gaynor> No special chars anywhere
[23:38] <hmuller> nemo: sorry I didn't read the whole thing
[23:38] <TwoD> nemo, does fsck even handle ntfs?
[23:38] <nemo> Alex_Gaynor: oh well. was worth a shot I guess
[23:38] <jbroome> TwoD: i doubt it
[23:38] <nemo> TwoD: 'course not. you'll have to do it in windows
[23:38] <Krzzzz> i got a quick question.. how do i go by on checking why the GDM login screen no longer has the option to restart shutdown etc they just dissapeared. any ideas?
[23:38] <nemo> TwoD: then after you replace the bad disc in your raid you can start moving data to the new ext3 raid :-p
[23:39] <nemo> TwoD: windows will never notice difference when you network mount it :)
[23:39] <TwoD> It's on the same comp...
[23:39] <nemo> Alex_Gaynor: no spaces either right? all alphanumeric?
[23:40] <Alex_Gaynor> nemo: Yeah
[23:40] <nemo> TwoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chkdsk
[23:40] <xtknight> how do i debug a crash in which even Magic SysRq+B does not reboot the pc?
[23:40] <Auctionedllama> nemo, since I am confused, and I drastically need help, mind if I pastebin my grub and my fstab and you tell me what to change
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> nemo, is that possible mate?
[23:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: sorry. I'm going home. get help from channel
[23:41] <TwoD> nemo, thanks, already know how to use chkdsk, was hoping there was a linux way tho...
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> Crapppppp
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> ok
[23:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: the problem is a straightforward one. fix your UUIDs to match your new disc layout
[23:41] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: regarding your earlier comment about iwconfig, I don't think iwconfig stores a configuration ...
[23:41] <Alex_Gaynor> nemo, hmuller: I gotta run for a few minutes, I'll be back iin a little bit, thanks for the help so far, when I get back hopefully I can get this figured out
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> ya well fsast is vey confusing
[23:41] <nemo> TwoD: I seriously would not trust aforementioned reverse engineered driver to fix bad sectors
[23:42] <quentusrex> Does anyone know about the bug with pop up windows? such as program alerts?
[23:42] <Auctionedllama> nemo, fstab is terribly confusing, not sure what to change
[23:42] <nemo> Auctionedllama: ... the UUID
[23:42] <nemo> anyway. going away.
[23:42] <Auctionedllama> there is none nemo,
[23:42] <TwoD> nemo, thanks for your time
[23:42] <quentusrex> I've had gnome crash multiple times on me because of the pop up window that is opened after running synaptic
[23:42] <Pici> quentusrex: Do you have a bug #?
[23:43] <quentusrex> and I just had gnome nearly crash when vlc opened a warning window
[23:43] <Pici> I've never had that happen
[23:43] <quentusrex> Pici, no, I was checking to see if anyone else had heard of it first.
[23:43] <LARefugee> hello! I have a prob with audio. Any experts about?
[23:43] <mvo_> quentusrex: did that happen during a gutsy->hardy upgrade? or when you installed packages within a distribution (e.g. hardy package when running hardy)?
[23:44] <Auctionedllama> ok, uhm, to explain, my grub is all screwed up, none of my options will start, and I moved my hardy to a partition, and I can't get it to boot into it.. can I post my grub/menu.ls and my fstab and you guys tell me what to change? I really need help.. bad
[23:44] <quentusrex> I upgraded to hardy from gutsy, but it happened weeks after the upgrade
[23:44] <quentusrex> and I have a fully updated system.
[23:44] <quentusrex> and it was when I installed hardy packages on hardy...
[23:44] <hmuller> LARefugee: the word 'expert' is relative, ask your question!
[23:45] <quentusrex> well, do you mind helping me diagnosing what just happened?
[23:45] <Auctionedllama> OK, here is my grub http://pastebin.com/m49d0cb75
[23:45] <quentusrex> also, keep in mind something
[23:45] <Auctionedllama> and here is my fstab http://pastebin.com/m2fa418a9
[23:45] <LARefugee> hmuller: ok. I get a hissing then pop noise every 4-5 seconds. Audio in apps breaks up, fades in, then breaks up again.
[23:45] <quentusrex> I can't see what you type anymore...
[23:45] <Auctionedllama> Can you guys look at those and tell me what to change?
[23:45] <quentusrex> atleast not for another line or two
[23:46] <quentusrex> I can't move or change window selection
[23:46] <hmuller> LARefugee: that's out of my league, if crimsun is around, he may be able to help
[23:46] <quentusrex> now I can read...
[23:46] <quentusrex> :(
[23:47] <quentusrex> Either compiz, or something died, because I can't change windows(selected windows) or change my workspace
[23:47] <quentusrex> I don't see the brown bar above a window
[23:47] <quentusrex> At the top of the windows are File Edit... etc
[23:47] <quentusrex> I can't move windows, or resize
[23:47]  * hmuller is of to enjoy the rest of his birthday
[23:48] <quentusrex> I take that back. I can resize a window
[23:48] <quentusrex> if the window has the resize 'grip' on the bottom right
[23:48] <quentusrex> :(
[23:49] <Gnine> retricted driver manager cant enable proprietary (nvidia) driver.
[23:49] <peeps[work]> is it possible to run regular 32bit java jdk on 64bit ubuntu?
[23:49] <b4l74z4r> hi, there seem to be a problem playing di.fm radio streams in banshee, regular streams work, but when i log in to get access to higher bitrate streams, they won't play and it says (missing) in the station title
[23:50] <LARefugee> hmuller: thanks
[23:50] <Auctionedllama> guys, whats the command to get the UUID's for my partitions?
[23:50] <quentusrex> Pici, do you have any idea what just died on my system?
[23:50] <Pici> quentusrex: Sounds like it would be compiz
[23:50] <LARefugee> Auctionedllama: man -k uuid
[23:51] <LARefugee> Auctionedllama: vol_id I believe
[23:52] <quentusrex> what is the alt print screen command? and letters?
[23:54] <peeps[work]> is there really no reason to run a 64bit os unless you have >4gb ram?
[23:54] <jbroome> pretty  much
[23:55] <Pici> Unless you have a specific application that benefits from running in 64bits, and then you usually know it
[23:55] <Gnine> jockey is not allowing to enable proprietary (nvidia) driver.