[19:55] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:29] <olly> morning
[20:45] <ibeardslee> back shortly .. I hope
[20:46] <ajmitch> morning
[22:20] <mwhudson> morning?
[22:37] <chilts> yes, it is morning :)
[23:45] <mwhudson> hm
[23:45] <mwhudson> me is trying to preseed an install


[18:09] <bencrisford> afternoon
[18:23] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[18:25] <bencrisford> highvoltage: evening
[18:25] <bencrisford> highvoltage: at tonights meeting could we try and sort out UDS sessions
[18:25] <stgraber> yep, sounds good
[18:25] <bencrisford> because if we do it soon, it will mean we can make the sessions more accessible to remote participants
[18:26] <highvoltage> yeah, I wish I could be around more today
[18:26] <stgraber> anyway, got to go now, will be back for the meeting
[18:26] <bencrisford> there should still be alot of sessions free
[18:26] <highvoltage> I'm on my 'good' connection now...
[18:26] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :)
[18:26] <highvoltage> 19:23 -!- Irssi: Join to #edubuntu was synced in 53 secs
[18:26] <highvoltage> and that's how bad it is :/
[18:26] <stgraber> highvoltage: argh, that sucks.
[18:26] <bencrisford> :/, and now you have no excuse to ignore my pings :P
[18:27] <stgraber> we also need the website and release notes / technical overview and relesae announcement ready for tomorrow
[18:27] <bencrisford> stgraber: that gonna be sorted via gobby doc?
[18:27] <highvoltage> I think we'll have to stay with our current website for now and update to the new one post-release
[18:27] <bencrisford> that sounds good, there is so much to do anyway
[18:28] <highvoltage> bandwidth into canonical is going to suck for the next few days and sorting out problems isn't going to be fun
[18:30] <bencrisford> creating marketing materials is gonna be tedious too...  gimp is fun for a couple of hours, but working with it for more can get tedious
[18:30]  * bencrisford used tedious twice :/
[18:30] <highvoltage> gimp doesn't sound like the right tool for it anyway. scribus and inksapce are probably better fits?
[18:31] <bencrisford> depends what the materials are
[18:31] <bencrisford> I use gimp alot for the image-y stuff, and fit it together with scribus
[18:32] <bencrisford> inkscape I don't feel confident enough in, but hopefully some inkscape wizards will appear out of no-where and we can produce some awesome stuff
[18:32] <bencrisford> scribus can be buggy as well, so we'll see how it goes
[18:33]  * mhall119 liked the ironic over-use of "tedious"
[18:36] <bencrisford> mhall119: I like that word, it sounds funny ^^
[18:36] <bencrisford> teeeedious
[18:36] <bencrisford> hehe
[18:37]  * bencrisford is afraid he could be talking rubbish (caffeine has run out)
[18:37] <mhall119> refill it
[18:38] <highvoltage> hmm... caffeine... now there's an idea
[18:38] <bencrisford> mhall119: nah, I haven't been sleeping properly for like a week, and i'm starting to fall apart physically...  i'm depriving myself of caffeine in the hope that it will cure my insomnia
[18:39] <bencrisford> I even bought some camomile tea (i'm really desperate for sleep atm)
[18:39] <mhall119> I stop drinking caffiene after noon so that I can sleep at night
[18:39] <bencrisford> well its lie 4.39pm here
[18:39] <mhall119> except a glass or two of iced tea
[18:39] <bencrisford> like*
[18:39] <mhall119> but there's not much caffiene in that
[18:39] <bencrisford> no
[18:40] <mhall119> I drink rootbeer instead of coke or pepsi because it's naturally caffiene free
[18:40]  * bencrisford looks at the empty cook bottle on his desk...  woops
[18:41] <bencrisford> coke*
[18:41] <mhall119> say, is there a meeting today?
[18:41] <bencrisford> think so
[18:41]  * mhall119 needs to get these on his calendar
[18:41] <bencrisford> 1h20s time if I am not mistaken
[18:42] <mhall119> thanks
[18:42] <mhall119> maybe I'll be able to attend some of this one
[18:42] <bencrisford> I think evolution reminds me, but i'm pretty good at remembering things like that normally
[18:42] <mhall119> yeah, I just need to put it on my calendar
[18:42] <mhall119> I chat from my laptop at work, and work on my desktop, so I don't always pay attention
[18:46] <bencrisford> phone calendar?
[18:46] <bencrisford> I set one on there as well in case I fall asleep
[18:49]  * bencrisford has an interesting looking book on his bed ( http://bit.ly/9eL3Oh ), which he might have a quick skim through before the meeting
[19:58] <stgraber> meeting in two minutes
[20:02] <alkisg> Lns, sbalneav, bencrisford > meeting
[20:02] <Lns> thx alkisg
[20:04] <bencrisford> alkisg: ty
[20:17] <isforinsects> bencrisford: is the new edubuntu website up somewhere in test?  Or is there a git/bzr/etc repo I can clone?
[20:18] <bencrisford> isforinsects: I think it was up somewhere as a test, but it might be in a repo somewhere as well, i'm not sure
[20:18] <bencrisford> I can find you the url that I have for it
[20:18] <bencrisford> not the repo, but the design
[20:19] <bencrisford> http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/
[20:20] <isforinsects> why drupal?
[20:20] <bencrisford> easily editable..?  not sure
[20:21] <bencrisford> have an ask after the meeting when we retreat back here
[20:22] <bencrisford> or during the meeting, but i'm not the guy to ask ;)
[21:10] <highvoltage> stgraber: you got distracted? :)
[21:10] <stgraber> slightly ;)
[21:19] <vmlintu> Hi! I was asking earlier about the ldap/kerberos plans and I've been now checking what the server team is up-to. It looks like there'll be something happening on OpenLDAP schema/DIT setup level.
[21:21] <stgraber> highvoltage:
[21:21] <stgraber> highvoltage: sent some kind of meeting notes to the mailing-list. I hope I didn't miss something important ...
[21:22] <bencrisford> stgraber: just the teams blueprint stuff, but that was only me and highvoltage :P, and I don't think we're gonna work on it until after UDS
[21:24] <vmlintu> Also Debian Edu is currently wondering what to do with LDAP/Kerberos, so I'm trying to figure out what is the right place to work on this..
[21:24] <highvoltage> vmlintu: that's a good question :)
[21:25] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I guess the short answer is as widely as possible
[21:31] <vmlintu> highvoltage: do you see that this is something that interests edubuntu devs?
[21:34] <bencrisford> stgraber: did you see the discussion on the teams blueprint?  we were thinking a post-UDS IRC session to seperate the lp teams into 3 groups, deletion-leavingalone-fixing and then acting on them appropriately
[21:35] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I can't speak for everyone but I personally see the value in it, unfortunately my LDAP knowledge is quite limited
[21:36] <highvoltage> vmlintu: but I am interested and can at least review/sponsor any packaging if required
[21:36] <bencrisford> stgraber: sound okay to you?  because I think most people had been distracted away from #ubuntu-meeting by the time we got on to that, so it didnt really get discussed by many people..
[21:37] <vmlintu> highvoltage: what interests me most is whether there are others working on this for Edubuntu as I want to avoid doing double work
[21:37] <highvoltage> vmlintu: yep, no risk of that!
[21:37] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I've been following your blog and the discussion on debian-edu, and we'll pretty much use any contribution ldap wise that you make to ubuntu
[21:38] <vmlintu> highvoltage: we have also others working on this now, but we'd probably need someone to help with packaging and such
[21:38] <highvoltage> vmlintu: there are no other ldap plans currently here so there's not much risk of duplication
[21:41] <vmlintu> highvoltage: ok, I'll then see what the server team is up-to and go forward with our current plans
[21:42] <vmlintu> sometimes I wonder if our ltsp setups are just weird..
[21:49] <bencrisford> night everyone


[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[09:34] <dholbach> dpm, kann ich Dich gleich kurz mal anrufen?
[09:35] <dpm> dholbach, klar
[09:35] <dholbach> super
[09:35] <dholbach> bis gleich
[14:46] <dpm> please upvote to spread the word around our awesome core app dev community! http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1v9yam/ubuntu_app_heroes_interviewed_the_weather_app/
[16:37] <jose> mhall119: hey, I assume we're not having an engineering update this week either, right?
[16:44] <mhall119> jose: right, maybe starting again next week, I'm trying to coordinate
[16:45] <jose> ok, I'll try to talk to jono to see what he may need
[17:00] <mhall119> jose: he's asked me to take over the coordination of the engineering updates
[17:00] <jose> oh cool
[17:00] <mhall119> I'm rounding up this year's cast members :)
[17:00] <jose> cool!
[17:11] <dholbach> all right my friends - calling it a day - see you all tomorrow!


[00:08] <h00k> Which will be approx. March 18th
[00:09] <tonyyarusso> uh, what will?
[00:10]  * tonyyarusso seems to lack an important bit of scrollback atm
[00:10] <h00k> ah, the beta of Lucid, when M* M*
[00:10] <Takyoji> YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
[00:10] <h00k> Takyoji: no, silly, that's already happening!
[00:10] <h00k> will be announced
[00:11] <tonyyarusso> ah
[00:12] <Takyoji> It's quite surprising; it appears my brother finally has interest in OpenOffice because his new laptop was only pre-installed with Microsoft Works...
[00:12] <tonyyarusso> hehe :)
[00:13] <Takyoji> Typically he acts as if price determines value of anything.
[00:15] <Takyoji> I know it sounds stupid, but it would be nice if Pidgin for example allowed you to set it to have a certain program scan a transferred file first before letting the user access it (such as ClamAV bindings or something)
[00:16] <Takyoji> For those of us that proudly wear our tinfoil hats as we sandbox/virtualize every application used on our desktops.
[00:16] <Takyoji> (hence why I'm curious of OpenBSD still yet)
[01:05] <Takyoji> Anyone know of a decent FLOSS video transcoder?
[01:05] <Takyoji> I would also like it mint flavor, please.
[01:07] <h00k> er, like ffmpeg?
[01:08] <Takyoji> Yes, but with a GUI for those whom aren't apt enough to use a CL
[01:09] <h00k> it's not too bad!
[01:09] <h00k> http://linux.die.net/man/1/ffmpeg
[01:09] <h00k> how are you converting things? from what to what?
[01:10] <h00k> it can be as easy as ffmpeg -i infile.format outfile.format
[01:11] <Takyoji> CLI*
[01:11] <Takyoji> I mean for a person that barely even knows what a file format is.
[01:12] <Takyoji> I believe they need it from DVD video (.vob) to a more widely implemented format.
[01:12] <Takyoji> (or even just a container for that matter)
[01:12] <Takyoji> I wish Mastroska was more widely supported...
[01:13] <Takyoji> I wuv that container format..
[01:17] <h00k> oh,oh, like extracting from a DVD
[01:17] <h00k> dvd::rip perhaps
[01:18] <Takyoji> The only problem is that they'll very likely be a Windows user
[01:19] <h00k> in that case, consider DVD Decrypter
[01:19] <h00k> and/or DVD shrink
[01:19] <h00k> Handbrake, perhaps
[01:19] <h00k> yeah, Handbrake
[01:19] <Takyoji> I was looking at Handbrake earlier curiously.
[01:20] <Takyoji> Otherwise the person it's for is apparently someone of a video production company called "Fox Video Productions" whom also wants a website as well
[01:20] <h00k> handbrake!
[01:20] <Takyoji> And there's apparently already several other companies with the exact same name...
[01:54] <Takyoji> Anyone have thoughts on the idea of GPU-accelerated graphics in a web browser, operated by Javascript? :P
[01:55] <Takyoji> Just to think, like just 8 years ago Javascript used to give people the impression of annoying animated images hovering near the cursor, or flashing text, or a snow effect of asterisks down a page... xP
[02:42] <mr_steve> mine eyes glazeth over
[02:43] <h00k> heh
[02:44]  * mr_steve is happily failing a match practice test
[02:44] <mr_steve> grr, *math
[03:06] <Takyoji> http://stevehanov.ca/blog/index.php?id=92 Click "Compile and Run"
[03:07] <Takyoji> That just scares me. A person wrote his own implementation of a QBasic compiler and considerably even a bytecode interpreter, and has the output draw to an HTML5 canvas
[03:07] <Takyoji> in Javascript
[03:08] <Takyoji> And wrote a functioning game within it as well
[16:04] <akgraner> tonyyarusso, ping
[16:05] <_diablo> I haven't seen him in a while
[16:06] <akgraner> _diablo, ok..  I just sent him an email and wanted to see what his schedule was like this afternoon.. it's about a program in Scott Co. who needs some help - with Ubuntu related stuff
[16:07] <_diablo> yeah, fair enough. sorry for the lack of help.
[16:07] <akgraner> I have to step away for a few hours but should be back after 4pm your time
[16:07] <akgraner> _diablo, no worries :-)
[16:08] <akgraner> I'll check back a little later.. thx :-)
[22:17] <tonyyarusso> akgraner: I'm around atm btw
[22:17] <akgraner> tonyyarusso, hey
[22:17] <akgraner> did you get my email?
[22:18] <tonyyarusso> I did
[22:18] <akgraner> just wanted to know if it makes sense to you
[22:18] <tonyyarusso> I don't quite understand how it relates to Ubuntu yet though
[22:19] <akgraner> he installs ubuntu on the refurbished computers
[22:19] <tonyyarusso> or, frankly, exactly what BTYR does.  Is that a primary service of theirs?
[22:19] <akgraner> and gives the to the families of deployed soldiers
[22:20] <akgraner> that is one of the organizations he is working with
[22:20] <tonyyarusso> Do you know which other ones?
[22:21] <akgraner> nope, but I know it has to do with single moms
[22:21] <akgraner> his big issue is support, classes for people he gives the computers too, QA sessions etc
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> I see.  hrm
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> I wonder whether he's had any contact with http://freegeektwincities.org/ also.
[22:22] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: any news on the shirts?
[22:23] <_diablo> I shared the spreadsheet with you I believe
[22:23] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: not that I know of?
[22:23] <tonyyarusso> yeah, you did
[22:24] <akgraner> I don't think so, he just now started contacting people who he thought might be able to 1) offer help in some fashion 2) help grow the project
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> Do you happen to know whether the broader Ubuntu community has any sort of "beginner training" curriculum that we could use if we did do something?
[22:25] <akgraner> and since he is installing Ubuntu on them all - I thought it might be something you would want to talk to him about and see if the LoCo team would want to help
[22:25] <_diablo> hmmm, how do we define critical mass?
[22:25] <akgraner> tonyyarusso, I think the learning team might have some stuff, and with User Days coming up I can ask them
[22:26] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: for shirts, by what people are willing to pay versus where the quantity price breaks are.
[22:26] <tonyyarusso> akgraner: That would be good to know - we don't really have a good support infrastructure in place yet, so it'd be a bit of a hurdle to get started, so anything that lowers the cost of entry would be helpful.
[22:32] <tonyyarusso> akgraner: I added a note to our spec on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam/Specs/AreaGroups for reference, although I'm not sure what/when we could commit to offhand.  (Ideally someone else would step up to run with it)
[23:25] <akgraner> tonyyarusso, sorry had deal with an issue here..
[23:26] <akgraner> tony no worries I'll get you all the info I have and you can talk to the fellow in charge of this.  I am going to write up something for the US Teams about this as well to see if it's something they would like to see about starting in their areas..
[23:28] <akgraner> I'll get you all the stuff I can that's floating around out there in regards to the classes and stuff
[23:29] <akgraner> tonyyarusso, thanks! :-)


[05:11] <amirman84> hi, everyone, i'm new to ubuntu and linux in general. i'm really digging this ubuntu 8.04 beta (except for no flash video) but i was wondering if edubuntu is good for a 2 1/2 year old?
[05:12] <amirman84> also is there anything that i can use to get him into learning the basics of programming when he gets a little older?
[05:13] <amirman84> i'm installing the gcompiz educational suite right now, tux paint, and kletters just to see if there's anything that can get his attention enough to really master using the mouse and keyboard
[05:14] <amirman84> but thats on ubuntu, i guess what i'm really wondering is how different is edubuntu from ubuntu other than the preinstalled packages and security stuff i'm guessing that is used for people who want to use it in schools
[05:17] <johnny> it's not much different
[05:17] <johnny> it will be an addon cd in the future, instead of a seperate release
[05:21] <amirman84> too bad, i see a real niche to be filled, an OS for young kids.
[05:22] <amirman84> 2,3,4 year olds
[05:23] <LaserJock> amirman84: Edubuntu has been used for children that young
[05:25] <LaserJock> it doesn't really matter whether you have Ubuntu or Edubuntu installed, but you can get more kid-friendly look from the Edubuntu artwork
[05:25] <LaserJock> and you have a disk that has educational software on it
[05:34] <amirman84> well, thanks
[07:36] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I am having trouble with gnome-ppp. Is there any dial-up user here who can help me?
[07:39] <Muhammad_Saad> I am having this error while connecting: "WvDial<Err>: Connected, but carrier signal lost!  Retrying..."
[07:40] <Muhammad_Saad> The strange thing is that I can connect to the internet using the Network Manager applet but cannot connect using gnome-ppp.
[07:49] <Muhammad_Saad> Does anyone know what is causing the problem?
[07:56] <Muhammad_Saad> Can someone at least tell me where else should I ask for help?
[17:43] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, Can someone here help me with gnome-ppp?
[21:49] <keb> typo on page http://www.edubuntu.org/community   "Edubuntu Chile: The Edubuntu France team."
[22:03] <bimberi> keb: Thanks. You can file that bug here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/edubuntu-website/+filebug
[22:03] <keb> ok
[22:30] <styx27> good day everyone
[22:30] <keb> gday
[22:32] <styx27> i'm a noob... please bare with me...
[22:33] <keb> "bare"?
[22:34] <HedgeMage> I think styx27 means "bear"
[22:34] <styx27> sorry... it's 4am here.. i just woke up...
[22:34] <HedgeMage> np :)
[22:34] <styx27> ii meant bear
[22:34] <blue-frog> 4am could be bare
[22:36] <styx27> well, anyway i  have been asked to invest in a small private/nonprofit school (preschool and elementary) in my area and i was thinking of seting up a little computer lab with edubuntu
[22:37] <styx27> can i download the cookbook or handbook?
[22:39] <styx27> is there a encyclopedia for edubuntu?
[22:40] <blue-frog> edubuntu.org would be a good start I presume
[22:40] <blue-frog> dowwnloading and installing edubuntu would be self explanatory
[22:41] <keb> yep, get a live cd and try it :D
[22:42] <styx27> blue-frog: i was thinking more of documentation for the educational softwares that it comes with to help the teachers familiarize
[22:43] <blue-frog> styx27: what are they using as of now?
[22:43] <styx27> blue-frog: none, just regular textbooks,
[22:44] <blue-frog> is there a computer available overthere already or do you have a laptop?
[22:45] <styx27> there is no coputers there yet.. i will be getting the pc's from my friend who used to own an internet cafe
[22:45] <styx27> computers
[22:45] <blue-frog> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[22:46] <blue-frog> styx27: anyway if they have nothing right now, it will be as if they are entering the cavern of Ali Baba
[22:50] <styx27> i don't really quite understand what you're saying...
[22:53] <blue-frog> styx27: it comes loaded with educational softwares and you can install many more of them
[22:56] <styx27> blue-frog: that's what i want so that atleast i can help get the quality of education to get higher. i would need a sort of manual that explains how to use/make the most out of the eduacational softwares that come with it. and i need it to be viewable locally becasue the school does not have an internet connection and cound not yet justify the cost of getting one
[22:57] <blue-frog> styx27: do you have a laptop?
[22:57] <styx27> i have one
[22:58] <styx27> it's running unbunut 7.1 at the moment
[22:58] <blue-frog> oh well then you already have all you need to present them something
[22:58] <blue-frog> install edubuntu
[22:59] <blue-frog> in virtualbox for example