[00:38] <ScottL> TheMuso, persia :  i created a bug report about updating the ubuntustudio-meta package for natty
[00:38] <ScottL> bug# 680317
[00:39] <ScottL> bug #680317
[00:39] <ScottL> attached is the debdiff and i subscribed both of you just in case
[01:00] <ScottL> astraljava, how is the backporting project progressing?
[01:01] <ScottL> astraljava, would you also like to help update ubuntustudio-menu when ubuntustudio-meta is updated and new ISO's are built?
[01:23] <ScottL> also, i hope to start on the art and plymouth theme next week
[01:23] <ScottL> i have a nice plymouth theme that cory almost completed, however...
[01:23] <ScottL> does anyone have any suggestions for new GDM wallpaper or desktop wallpaper?
[06:56] <astraljava> ScottL: I have some difficulties with the machine at home, the one which I use for ubuntustudio installs. I plan on doing new installs on separate drives, one for maverick and another for lucid.
[06:57] <astraljava> ScottL: So that I can then compare all bits and pieces between the releases, and plan better for backports. But so far, no progress due to machine hick-ups.
[06:57] <astraljava> ScottL: Yes, I am willing to help with the menu. Got any pointers?
[12:52] <abogani> quadrispro: Congratulations!
[12:52] <quadrispro> abogani, thank you :)
[12:53] <astraljava> quadrispro: Conga-rats! :D
[12:54] <quadrispro> thanks astraljava !
[13:34] <quadrispro> ScottL, working to provide new rosegarden release
[23:40] <quadrispro> hi all


[00:35] <emgent> hello people
[00:35] <emgent> in #ubuntu-hardened we have two bot: ubot3 and ubutwo
[00:36] <emgent> when we post bug, bots give bad output and redundant
[00:36] <emgent> who is the correct bot ?
[00:46] <emgent> anyway if someone read, please part the bot in #ubuntu-hardened, Thanks! :)
[03:47] <boredandblogging> any chance of getting locobot back in #ubuntu-us-ga
[04:43] <Darksiteevil> hola
[04:44] <Darksiteevil> paso botijon
[04:44] <Darksiteevil> oe loquillo
[04:44] <Darksiteevil> mira tengo un problema con el bot que pusieron en #ubuntu-es
[04:44] <Darksiteevil> me baneo
[04:44] <Darksiteevil> decia que hacia flood
[04:44] <Darksiteevil> solo por llamar a fmaq
[04:45] <Darksiteevil> erusul
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> erUSUL o botijo
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> cualquiera de los dos
[04:46] <nalioth> patience, Darksiteevil
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> ok
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> pense que no estaban
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> :p
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> sorry
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> casi te llamo
[04:46] <Darksiteevil> :p
[04:47] <Darksiteevil> bueno chicos podrian revisar el archivo log (historial) de ese canal y veran que no hice flood ni nada parecido
[04:48] <Darksiteevil> nalioth amigo se dice paciencia
[04:48] <Darksiteevil> :)
[04:49] <Darksiteevil> pero aun asi te entendi
[04:49] <Darksiteevil> :p
[04:59] <Darksiteevil> hello
[05:00] <Darksiteevil> any body in her?
[05:00] <Darksiteevil>
[05:00] <Darksiteevil> Hello there is anyone here?
[05:06] <Darksiteevil> una pregunta mas
[05:06] <Darksiteevil> cuando carajos atienden las peticiones de los usuarios de ubuntu?
[05:07] <Darksiteevil> con razon ya casi nadie entra a ese salon de ubuntu, por que son demaciados estrictos, deberian de aflojar un poco
[05:07] <Darksiteevil> no sean tan estrictos que lo que consiguen es que se les vaya la gente de ese salon
[05:08] <Darksiteevil> creo que por eso buscan por otro lado las ayudas los usuarios de ubuntu
[05:08] <Darksiteevil> por que ustedes o los op de ubuntu-es se creen la mamasita de tarzan
[05:09] <Darksiteevil> bueno me largo
[05:09] <Darksiteevil> hay dejen esa mierda asi como esta
[05:09] <Darksiteevil> ese salon morira pronto
[05:09] <Darksiteevil> por ustedes
[05:10] <nalioth> Darksiteevil: Todo el mundo está dormido o afk.  patience, por favor
[05:11] <Mateman> Can someone help me set up vnc on my ubuntu laptop so I can access my xp desktop? I have been reading a lot of online help, but am more confused than when I started.
[05:13] <nalioth> Mateman: this is not a support channel.   try #ubuntu
[05:19] <Mateman> Thanks for the heads up. This is my first time ever to use IRC and I have been on the net since the 90's. I will try the other.
[10:08] <dtRz> anyone from Bulgaria ?
[10:36] <jpatrick> !bg | Maybe?
[10:36] <ubotu> Maybe?: опитайте #ubuntu-bg за български потребители . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[10:47] <jpatrick> nalioth: it appears the bot kicked and banned Dark, due to bad language...
[14:11] <jpatrick> @syn
[14:11] <jpatrick> botijo: quit
[14:14] <jpatrick> well, that kinda worked..
[20:14] <RoAkSoAx> jpatrick??
[21:52] <jpatrick> RoAkSoAx: ???
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> jpatrick: never mind, users where wondering why botijo wasnt in the channel, now it is there xD
[21:53] <jpatrick> RoAkSoAx: hmm, I couldn't tell that from your pervious message
[21:54] <RoAkSoAx> jpatrick: it was worthless to leave one because the bot entered seconds later
[21:54] <jpatrick> :)
[21:55] <RoAkSoAx> ;)
[22:00] <OonSuomesta> hello
[22:00] <OonSuomesta> Is here any server operators?
[22:00] <OonSuomesta> We could need some help removing a nasty spammer on channel #ubuntu-fi
[22:00] <jpatrick> OonSuomesta: I think Tm_T, or jussi01 are #ubuntu-fi ops
[22:01] <OonSuomesta> oh great.. Tm_T is away and jussi01 isnt even there
[22:01] <jpatrick> hm, he is
[22:01] <Pici> the irc council members should have ops too
[22:02] <jpatrick> they don't...
[22:02] <OonSuomesta> jpatrick: He's name is Origins
[22:02] <jpatrick> OonSuomesta: roger, spotted
[22:04] <OonSuomesta> and now he said that he threatened to use proxies if someone would ban him
[22:04] <LjL-Temp> had guessed
[22:05] <ompaul> nalioth, fancy a game of whack a mole?
[22:05] <jpatrick> OonSuomesta: I don't speak finnish..
[22:05] <OonSuomesta> I told the other guys just to confirm that he's a spammer
[22:06] <jpatrick> if only ubuntu/member/*'s were ops..
[22:06] <LjL-Temp> err, that might be slightly too much in some cases
[22:07] <OonSuomesta> please, just kick him. He's being a real pain in the *ss
[22:08] <LjL-Temp> i would if i could
[22:08] <jpatrick> OonSuomesta: none of us have access, staff do..
[22:08] <OonSuomesta> oh gosh. There should be more operators.
[22:09] <OonSuomesta> oh, now it looks like its gonna be ok
[22:10]  * jpatrick would have never announced a kick in that way
[22:10] <OonSuomesta> me neither
[22:10]  * LjL-Temp rolls eyes
[22:11] <OonSuomesta> I doubt that he will stay away
[22:11] <LjL-Temp> i'd figure mjr knows.
[22:11] <jpatrick>  /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[22:12] <OonSuomesta> that would ban half of th users
[22:12] <jpatrick> seems rather extreme..
[22:13] <jpatrick> how about: +d Elect?The?Dead ?
[22:13] <juliux> OonSuomesta, try with a realname ban
[22:13] <juliux> OonSuomesta, and ban around is user
[22:13] <OonSuomesta> I can't try with anything, I'm just a regular user
[22:14] <jpatrick> (what I suggested but...)
[22:14] <jpatrick> OonSuomesta: please tell mjr it's a realname ban
[22:15] <juliux> OonSuomesta, with /msg chanser access #ubuntu-fi list you can see all ops for #ubuntu-fi
[22:15] <Tm_T> OonSuomesta: yes?
[22:16] <OonSuomesta> Tm_T, did you speak finnish?
[22:16] <jpatrick> OonSuomesta: he is an op in -fi
[22:16] <juliux> Tm_T, OonSuomesta needs some help in #ubuntu-fi ;)
[22:16] <OonSuomesta> ya, I got that out of what you said earlier
[22:16] <Tm_T> OonSuomesta: toisinaan ;)
[22:17] <OonSuomesta> ok
[22:19] <OonSuomesta> Thanks for the help :)
[22:19] <juliux> Tm_T, in the german channels we have added *!*@/ubuntu/member to the access list
[22:19] <jpatrick> juliux: awesome, thanks
[22:20] <Tm_T> juliux: we might need that too, have to discuss about that for the folks :)
[22:20] <juliux> we had some spammer problems in the paste so now every ubuntu member can help if no op is aroun


[09:33] <blackthund3r> Hi there
[09:33] <blackthund3r> Is anyone around so I can ask a couple of questions about porting to armhf?
[09:33] <blackthund3r> I'm trying to get started with porting ubuntu to a tablet
[09:52] <blackthund3r> hello?
[10:11] <wookey> ask away
[10:11] <wookey> blackthund3r: ^
[10:30] <blackthund3r> wookey: o.O hi
[10:30] <blackthund3r> Okay
[10:30] <blackthund3r> Basically I'm working on a tegra port of ubuntu
[10:30] <blackthund3r> and was wondering how I really start collating everything
[10:31] <blackthund3r> I have downloaded the linux4tegra kit and I've modified rootstock to produce an armhf package but I'm not really sure what the best way of testing all this is
[10:31] <blackthund3r> also how I would add certain patches to the kernel for specific device support
[10:44] <wookey> rootstock makes images not packages. Are you building a package for armhf or trying to build whole images?
[10:45] <blackthund3r> whole images
[10:45] <blackthund3r> and eventually a kernel too
[10:46] <blackthund3r> I'm attempting to get 12.04 booting on the Acer Iconia A500
[10:46] <marvin24> blackthund3r: you can use the ac100 image for starting
[10:46] <marvin24> but you will need a working kernel
[10:46] <blackthund3r> hmm ok. Is that a better option than starting from scratch?
[10:46] <marvin24> depends on your caps
[10:47] <blackthund3r> Sure. I believe there is a 2.6 chromeos kernel for this device but I'm trying to get as new a source tree compiled as possible
[10:47] <blackthund3r> caps?
[10:47] <marvin24> capabilities
[10:47] <blackthund3r> ok sure
[10:47] <marvin24> ac100 uses a 3.1 kernel (from nvidia)
[10:47] <blackthund3r> I'm new to kernel dev and this sort of thing although I'm very experienced with linux
[10:47] <blackthund3r> that makes sense. I've just checked that code out via git
[10:48] <blackthund3r> I believe the stuff I need to add in is here: https://github.com/iconia-dev
[10:48] <blackthund3r> how do I add that then tell make to use that config?
[10:50] <marvin24> what kernel is this based on?
[10:50] <blackthund3r> Not sure. I believe they're patches for stock linux
[10:51] <blackthund3r> (in the github link)
[10:51] <blackthund3r> I'm working with the 3.1 kernel for nvidia
[10:51] <blackthund3r> *from
[10:51] <blackthund3r> it is preconfigured (I believe) for the ventana test board. I need to add those patches so it will work on the tablet
[10:52] <blackthund3r> (and then work on adding in drivers once I see what is actually supported OOTB)
[10:52] <marvin24> sounds like a plan
[10:53] <blackthund3r> so how do I add those patches in?
[10:53] <blackthund3r> there is a vendor section with proprietary folder,
[10:54] <marvin24> I haven't seen any patches in the repo at all
[10:54] <blackthund3r> and a device tree
[10:54] <blackthund3r> https://github.com/iconia-dev/android_device_acer_a500 and https://github.com/iconia-dev/android_vendor_acer_a500
[10:56] <blackthund3r> also (probably a separate question) where is the section in the kernel source for the initramfs?
[10:56] <marvin24> these are scripts for some build system, no kernel patches
[10:56] <blackthund3r> The plan is to install linux into /data/linux from within Android and install the kernel to the spare partition. Then chroot to it
[10:56] <marvin24> the kernel seems to be available in binary form
[10:57] <blackthund3r> sure does. Should I try booting it to see what will happen?
[10:57] <marvin24> I think you can use the android kernel and see how far you come
[10:57] <blackthund3r> I need to bridge it to an initramfs or it won't be useful, unless I can open a serial connection with it to view the output?
[10:57] <blackthund3r> hmm
[10:57] <blackthund3r> I hadn't considered that
[10:58] <blackthund3r> okay so assuming I used that kernel as it is fairly up to date (one dev has a 3.2.x-based kernel)
[10:58] <blackthund3r> how can I chroot to /data/linux?
[10:58] <blackthund3r> is that even possible? Has anybody every tried installing linux to a folder?
[10:59] <blackthund3r> I assume it would go fairly early in the init script
[10:59] <blackthund3r> if /data was mounted by the initramfs, could you then chroot to /data/linux?
[10:59] <blackthund3r> Or would it need to be remounted as /?
[11:00] <marvin24> there is no /data on ubuntu
[11:00] <blackthund3r> I could call it anything when mounted though right?
[11:00] <blackthund3r> okay /mnt/data
[11:00] <marvin24> ah, you can try to mount an ubuntu fs in android
[11:00] <marvin24> and chroot to it
[11:01] <blackthund3r> no I've done that already ;)
[11:01] <blackthund3r> I mean use the kernel to do it and boot up from a chroot
[11:01] <blackthund3r> the data partition is mmcblk0p9
[11:01] <blackthund3r> the data partition is mmcblk0p8
[11:02] <blackthund3r> so if mmcblk0p8 was mounted by the ramdisk
[11:02] <blackthund3r> then the linux folder was set as the root
[11:02] <blackthund3r> would this work?
[11:03] <blackthund3r> that would mean Ubuntu could be booted natively whilst keeping that partition
[11:03] <blackthund3r> the data partition is pretty huge
[11:03] <blackthund3r> so it makes sense to install linux there
[11:03] <blackthund3r> and somehow boot it
[11:05] <marvin24> you may create your own initrd (from the chroot)
[11:05] <marvin24> and pass it to the kernel
[11:05] <blackthund3r> hmm
[11:05] <marvin24> also the root partition (via root=...) kernel command line
[11:05] <blackthund3r> can you mount a partition beforehand?
[11:05] <blackthund3r> Wait no that wouldn't work
[11:06] <blackthund3r> okay so if root=magicinitrd
[11:06] <marvin24> no, the ubuntu initrd will try to mount root
[11:06] <blackthund3r> then somewhere in that initrd it needs to mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p8
[11:06] <marvin24> the initrd is mounted automaticly by the kernel (if it is there)
[11:06] <blackthund3r> then fuse-mount /mnt/mmcblk0p8 as /
[11:06] <blackthund3r> sure
[11:07] <blackthund3r> so how does linux's initrd then mount the rest of the filesystem?
[11:07] <marvin24> /etc/fstab ?
[11:07] <blackthund3r> because it is almost a union of the initrd and the partition
[11:07] <blackthund3r> makes sense
[11:08] <blackthund3r> okay android seems a little different
[11:08] <marvin24> yes, userspace is totally different
[11:08] <blackthund3r> the android initrd will use /fstab.t20 to mount all the partition in the own folders
[11:08] <blackthund3r> although (I assume) ubuntu will mount the RootFS as /?
[11:09] <marvin24> it should
[11:09] <marvin24> but I'm also not an expert
[11:09] <blackthund3r> ok sure.
[11:09] <blackthund3r> So in that case I need to understand roughly how that works
[11:10] <blackthund3r> in order to mount a partition then set a folder rather than a partition as /
[11:11] <marvin24> I still don't understand why you want to do this
[11:11] <blackthund3r> in order to boot ubuntu up with it installed in a folder
[11:12] <blackthund3r> currently there is /data/media, /data/Android etc etc
[11:12] <marvin24> in android, the partitions are also mounted on folders
[11:12] <blackthund3r> so I want a /data/linux
[11:12] <blackthund3r> which the linux kernel will use as a rootfs
[11:12] <blackthund3r> yes but android doesn't need to mount a new rootfs - the initrd is the complete rootfs as the main system works out of the /system folder
[11:12] <marvin24> if fact, the mount point doesn't matter
[11:13] <marvin24> why do you want to keep this strange android way of booting?
[11:13] <blackthund3r> so is what I want to do possible?
[11:13] <marvin24> why not just mount the root partition and you are finished
[11:13] <blackthund3r> to not have to wipe out all the userdata in order to install ubuntu
[11:13] <marvin24> you can also boot from a sdcard
[11:14] <marvin24> I guess the a500 has a slot for it
[11:14] <blackthund3r> so install straight to the data partition alongside the rest of the android data?
[11:14] <blackthund3r> yes you can but it's only cool if it works from the internal memory ;)
[11:14] <blackthund3r> more storage that way too - there are some 64GB tabs
[11:16] <blackthund3r> once I have a reliable way of doing this, I want to extend it to making an easy way of patching an existing android ROM to boot from, say, /data/sys2 or /data/sys3 so you can dual boot ROM
[11:16] <blackthund3r> *ROMs
[11:16] <blackthund3r> but that's a later project. For now I want a working ubuntu install
[11:17] <blackthund3r> for tablets like this it'd be really useful to have a full RootFS in a folder
[11:17] <blackthund3r> particularly as the filesystem is ext4 anyway
[11:17] <blackthund3r> it saves repartitioning stuff
[11:30] <marvin24> blackthund3r: you can split the "user" partition
[11:30] <marvin24> don't know anymore where it was mounted
[11:30] <blackthund3r> split how?
[11:30] <blackthund3r> repartition it?
[11:30] <marvin24> yes
[11:30] <blackthund3r> that would cause ROM issues
[11:30] <marvin24> it worked fine on the ac100
[11:30] <blackthund3r> hmm
[11:30] <blackthund3r> this is the anatomy of the a500
[11:30] <blackthund3r> http://projects.pappkartong.se/a500/
[11:31] <blackthund3r> actually it might work
[11:31] <blackthund3r> but then you have to dedicate that space
[11:31] <blackthund3r> (which is what I was trying to avoid :P)
[11:32] <blackthund3r> and the whole tablet would still have to be wiped out to do that as I understand
[11:32] <blackthund3r> nvflash isn't the most user-friendly of tools!
[11:33] <blackthund3r> eventually I want this to be available to the public
[11:34] <blackthund3r> brb :)
[12:12] <blackthund3r> thanks for your help marvin24!
[12:12] <blackthund3r> gtg :(
[12:16]  * lilstevie thinks he is going about that in the most difficult way he can find
[12:17] <lilstevie> picasso and tf101 are very similar, with a small patch it would boot with the same kernel
[12:18] <ogra_> nah, cant be that would break the well estabished arm fragemntation vendors worked on for years !
[12:18] <ogra_> :)
[12:19] <lilstevie> ogra_, muromec ported 2.6.38 to both the tf101 and picasso, if you compile it with both boards defined in the config it comes down to a few if(is_machine_picasso()) blocks difference
[12:20] <lilstevie> I have no idea why though :p arm fragmentation is common, and expected
[12:23] <ogra_> yeah, evil, the vendors should sue him to break it :)
[12:23] <ogra_> s/to break/for breaking/
[12:24] <lilstevie> :p
[12:25] <lilstevie> lol " hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that " <-- got to love forums, that was posted today
[12:26] <ogra_> yeah, finally more locked down HW on the market
[12:28] <lilstevie> yeah
[12:28] <lilstevie> uefi comes to arm, but not to benefit the platform :(


[07:48] <mirespace> Scapino: Hi, good to see new-packages-to-be using dotnet6
[07:49] <mirespace> Scapino: Have you already started with packaging?


[01:12] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco, mdke
[01:35] <jsgotangco> hey LaserJock, Burgundavia
[01:35] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[01:35] <LaserJock> lol, where did Burglaptop go?
[01:35] <LaserJock> I can't keep track of you and all your incarnations
[01:36] <Burgundavia> I am now at home
[01:37] <Burgundavia> Burglaptop is only when I am my GF's place
[01:37] <Burgundavia> or otherwise on my laptop
[01:37] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[01:37] <jsgotangco> why do you keep an instance at work
[01:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:38] <Burgundavia> because I forgot to logout at work
[01:39] <Burgundavia> I want to revive an idea I had at Mataro
[01:40] <Burgundavia> embedded SVG in docbook for explaining screenshots
[01:44] <Burgundavia> rob1, I gave up a long time ago trying to like Kubuntu/KDE
[01:44] <rob1> the default font is ugly, and huge!
[01:45] <jsgotangco> you're not supposed to configure your desktop if you're going to document it
[01:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:45] <jsgotangco> :O
[01:46] <rob1> but it so u g l y . . .
[01:47] <uglyrob1> hmm kvirc
[01:47] <jsgotangco> well that's your opinion :)
[01:47] <uglyrob1> the fonts were massive, things wern't fitting on the screen
[01:48] <uglyrob1> my screen is 19" too
[01:48] <jsgotangco> wow
[01:48] <jsgotangco> a borked resolution?
[01:48] <uglyrob1> 1600x1200
[02:45] <j> hmm
[02:45] <Burgundavia> holy crap
[02:46] <Burgundavia> bootup is much much faster
[03:47] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's an... interesting... page you linked to there...
[03:49] <Burgundavia> indeed
[03:49] <Burgundavia> the wiki one?
[03:50] <LaserJock> wow, that is something
[03:52] <Burgundavia> why does shaw refuse to give my laptop an ip?
[03:52] <Madpilot> I vaugely remember fiddling with it, months ago - all the profanity and stupid crap has appeared since then...
[03:52] <Burgundavia> I didn't think they did mac address silliness like Telus
[03:57] <Burgundavia> s/does/doesn't
[03:59] <rob1> grr kde has taken over my gnome desktop..
[04:01] <LaserJock> rob1: how so?
[04:01] <rob1> fonts, some colours
[04:03] <rob1> the menus look like the kde menu
[04:04] <rob1> grr how stupid
[04:05] <rob1> I'll apt-get gnome and see what happens..
[09:23] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: ping
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, pong
[10:13] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: what time are you planning on coming up here tomorrow?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, what time would be good for you?
[10:14] <Madpilot> whenever - say 11 or 11:30?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> 11 sounds good
[10:17] <Madpilot> OK, see you then
[05:22] <melodie> bonjour tout le monde, hello  :)
[05:23] <melodie> I'd need an information about the bugreport websites
[05:23] <melodie> what about Bugzilla and Lounchpad ? does the second one stand in place of the first for the official Ubuntu release, now ?
[05:26] <melodie> nobody on the chan or no one knows the answer ? :)
[05:31] <jsgotangco> we're slowly moving to launchpad
[05:33] <melodie> ah ? so the bugs on the bugzilla can be read, and not written or ? per exemple I look for a particular bug on Grub... what should I do ? (Breezy)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> i believe the open ones are still available
[05:35] <jsgotangco> i haven't really chedk yet
[05:36] <melodie> well too bad  :)
[05:37] <melodie> in fact I liked the bugzilla interface look better
[05:37] <melodie> the Lounchpad looks too full :)
[05:47] <melodie> thks and bye
[07:47] <mdke> evening