[08:35] <gordonjcp> tv_: haven't used it for a long time, but something like -geometry 800x600
[08:36] <HuibertGill> timob: you forgot the ironic tag
[08:36] <judah> where is that located desertc ?
[08:36] <SiegeX> troxor: all that can be done with native bash syntax:  for file in *.png; do mv "$file" "${file%.*}.bmp; done
[08:36] <pipegeek> askvictor: I set the "import" command to mount /media/Camera , using the gphotofs fuse module
[08:36] <tv_> gordonjcp: I'll give it a go and see.  BRB
[08:36] <Evanlec> gordonjcp, in my experience -geometry flag seems to work for very few apps, like gnome-terminal
[08:36] <gordonjcp> brandon_: sorry, I can't really help you with steam, it's a Windows thing
[08:36] <gordonjcp> brandon_: that's about as much as I know about it - in theory wine should work
[08:37] <brandon_> ya alright well I have a guy thats been helping me but for some reason I haven't been able to talk to him
[08:37] <gordonjcp> brandon_: hm
[08:37] <BubblegumTate> I'm checking
[08:37] <desertc> brandon_: try some games that support linux, instead
[08:37] <timob> HuibertGill:  yeah i should of qualified even if it was in context
[08:37] <gordonjcp> brandon_: I know that *years* ago I had original Half-Life working under Wine
[08:37] <knightwise> exit
[08:37] <tv_> gordonjcp: nope that didn't do anything.. same issue, opens and closes a quick window that if you blink you'd miss.
[08:37] <gordonjcp> brandon_: I've not got much experience with Windows
[08:37] <timob> oh well i said it....
[08:38] <brandon_> ya Im going to Im goin to get quake arena
[08:38] <V1k1ng> i dual boot to play pc games
[08:38] <judah> I didn't have any problems with Firefox 1.5.x  , but ever since upgrading 2.0 it's been pretty unstable.  maybe flash or java problems?!
[08:38] <desertc> brandon_: try Quake Wars: EY
[08:38] <brandon_> or whatever it is
[08:38] <brandon_> lol
[08:38] <BubblegumTate> gordon I know it can achieve the resolutions because I get them quite happily once I've booted into failsafe
[08:38] <brandon_> my fault
[08:38] <desertc> brandon_: *try Quake Wars: ET
[08:38] <judah> desertc where is the bug database at?
[08:38] <gordonjcp> tv_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12646.html <- dunno if that helps
[08:39] <Thecks> I'm finding Gnome quite unstable :(
[08:39] <tv_> gordonjcp: thanks I'll check it out.
[08:39] <desertc> Thecks: what's your question?
[08:39] <Thecks> Well, I don't know if it's Gnome, but things like Compiz crash out
[08:39] <brandon_> you guys ever try rocket arena?
[08:39] <gordonjcp> brandon_: RTCW:ET is very good on "moderate" hardware, ET:QW needs a fairly chunky machine
[08:39] <brandon_> ic
[08:39] <gordonjcp> but - ET:QW is almost excessively shiny
[08:39] <timob> rocket_arena for quake 3 rocked
[08:39] <troxor> Shadix: it looks like it doesn't show up in the main theme chooser, but if you go to customize, then the controls tab- it will be there
[08:39] <V1k1ng> is ET that wwII game?
[08:39] <Thecks> No question, just a statement :(
[08:39] <gordonjcp> V1k1ng: RTCW:ET is
[08:39] <brandon_> timob: ya it did
[08:39] <desertc> !offtopic
[08:39] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:39] <cpuobsessed> i'm running ubuntu-server 7.04 on a powerpc imac (old style 2001), how do i setup routing for a dialup connection
[08:40] <gordonjcp> V1k1ng: the "Return To Castle Wolfenstein" bit is the clue ;-)
[08:40] <brandon_> timob: is there one for quake 4?
[08:40] <timob> brandon_: not sure .... ive never played quake 4
[08:40] <gordonjcp> brandon_: one what?
[08:40] <V1k1ng> gordonjcp, oh, that game was terrible  :(
[08:40] <brandon_> what
[08:40] <judah> ok, i get the point desertc, i was just inquring here to see if any other ubuntu USERS were having the same problem..
[08:41] <BubblegumTate> or alternately why can't I edit my configurations (network/users etc.)  while I'm in failsafe mode
[08:41] <gordonjcp> brandon_: is there one what for quake 4?
[08:41] <Shadix> intresting
[08:41] <Shadix> troxor, Thank mate
[08:41] <gordonjcp> V1k1ng: mh, the original Quake was the best, anyway
[08:41] <troxor> Shadix: np
[08:41] <steve_j> monring all. I'm a small website maker and have just moved production server from one DNS IP to another, tho the domain (foo.com) is the same. now my ssh keys don't work, because although the domain name is the same, there is a key mismatch between the old and new servers for some reason. how can up update the ssh key list or whatever?
[08:41] <brandon_> o lol sorry rocket arena for quake 4 it if you don't know it was originally a mod of quake 3 and I was wondering if they had done the same for quake 4
[08:41] <V1k1ng> i was never a quake guy, always half life
[08:42] <brandon_> ya I played both
[08:42] <Clearze2> BubblegumTate: Well assuming your running as root, it would mean the filesystem is being mounted read-only
[08:42] <desertc> steve_j: I bet there is a technical consultant you can hire to do that work for you.
[08:42] <brandon_> love counterstrike source thats why Im trying to get steam
[08:42] <brandon_> and teamfortress 2
[08:42] <Evanlec> et:qw is pretty good in my opinion
[08:42] <daya> anyone knows how sound gets works on ltsp clinet implementing ubuntu
[08:42] <Evanlec> think i might buy it i dunno
[08:42] <HuibertGill> steve_j: not really ubuntu specifik, but I'll bite :-)
[08:43] <HuibertGill> Ohh, he's gone?
[08:43] <gordonjcp> tv_: there seems to be a bug filed for it, so it's not just you
[08:43] <gordonjcp> brandon_: yeah, probably
[08:43] <xivanari> anyone know if its possible to get the media center buttons on a toshiba laptop working in ubuntu?
[08:43] <V1k1ng> yeah, i just boot up windows to play CS:S
[08:43] <gordonjcp> brandon_: there are Linux ports of all the iD Software games
[08:43] <vosskaem> I need fcpci.ko for linux-image-server on 6.06.1 lts but can't find restricted-modules-server
[08:43] <V1k1ng> tfc was a great game
[08:44] <rubydiamond> How to remove "Unexpected end of file:" error in my project
[08:44] <gordonjcp> V1k1ng: I don't have Windows and don't see the point in buying a whole new operating system and learning how to use it, just to play a game
[08:44] <Clearze2> xivanari: Yeah, it is but you have to mess around with keyboard mappings.
[08:44] <rubydiamond> How to remove "Unexpected end of file:" error in my project recursively
[08:44] <gordonjcp> V1k1ng: not when you can get a gamecube for 30 quid these days
[08:44] <xivanari> Clearze2:  i am willing to that if someone can help me with it step by step :D
[08:44] <brandon_> yteamfortess classic was awsome and teamfortress 2 is better in my opinion
[08:44] <BubblegumTate> clear: it isn't, I know because I saved an image to the disk
[08:44] <desertc> gordonjcp: Excellent points.
[08:44] <askvictor> Where can I see where gdm/X sessions are defined and what processes start in different types of session?
[08:44] <BubblegumTate> and it's the current desktop
[08:45] <brandon_> gordonjcp: what do u mean?
[08:45] <V1k1ng> gordonjcp, yeah, i wouldn't buy windows except that it came with my latptop
[08:45] <Clearze2> xivanari: lol, good luck. I think you'll have to do some googling to get that working the way you want.
[08:45] <gordonjcp> brandon_: what do I mean about what?
[08:45] <brandon_> Im new to linux I thought that wine was the only way
[08:45] <brandon_> about ports
[08:45] <tv_> gordonjcp: thanks for looking I thought I was going nuts.. Works fine in Gnome but.. kubutu ?
[08:45] <Han> How can I restore the rhythmbox toolbaricon after I accidentily removed it? (meaning the interactive one, not the launcher)
[08:45] <xivanari> Clearze2:  yea i thought so hehehe
[08:45] <Clearze2> xivanari: Unless someone is really nice and knows more about it than I do
[08:45] <V1k1ng> gordonjcp, but i still like playing shooters on PC, with mouse and keyboard
[08:45] <gordonjcp> brandon_: if you write your software properly, it's fairly easy to build it on different systems
[08:46] <desertc> V1k1ng: There are shooter games for Ubuntu
[08:46] <limbern> Hey, i have a fresh install of ubuntu server 7.10 (am very fresh on this subject). But when i type sudo apt-get update i get an erro that says: sendmail: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or drirectory
[08:46] <gordonjcp> brandon_: the original Quake was built for Unix machines and then ported to DOS
[08:46] <Evanlec> anyone know a quick n dirty app to volume-normalize mp3's?
[08:46] <V1k1ng> desertc, yeah, I just downloaded a couple, that spider one sucked though
[08:46] <desertc> V1k1ng: Try buying one....
[08:46] <gordonjcp> Evanlec: uncompress, normalise, recompress, live with the drop in sound quality
[08:47] <Symmetria> anyone happen to know if there is some kinda graphical frontend for mysql to do inserts etc in the ubuntu tree to save me doing this crap manually?
[08:47] <brandon_> gordonjcp: ic so you can port windows game to linux? how? do u know or is there a way I can find out?
[08:47]  * Symmetria is sick of writing insert statements while testing :p
[08:47] <Evanlec> gordonjcp, what do u mean drop in sound quality?
[08:47] <V1k1ng> desertc, i already own hl2 and as many mods as I could want to play
[08:47] <Hyber[at]Work> anyone know a good VoIP/SIP program for ubuntu? perferrable with multiple lines and quick dials....
[08:47] <desertc> brandon_: Purchase some games that are designed to run on Linux.
[08:47] <Evanlec> gordonjcp, and what tool/cmd does this?
[08:47] <gordonjcp> Evanlec: if you uncompress an mp3 and then recompress it, you lose a bit of quality - it's like making a tape-to-tape copy
[08:47] <Evanlec> Hyber[at]Work, there's Ekiga and Skype, the most popular
[08:48] <V1k1ng> so what is the best way to install a comprehensive set of codecs?
[08:48] <brandon_> I'm goin to
[08:48] <Pyrobyte> rebooting
[08:48] <Evanlec> gordonjcp, alright fair enough, is there any better way?
[08:48] <V1k1ng> in ubuntu?
[08:48] <desertc> V1k1ng: I own a cartridge of Super Mario Brothers, but I don't complain that it doesn't run on Ubuntu.  ;-)
[08:48] <gordonjcp> brandon_: well, the game needs to be written properly to take advantage of sensible libraries
[08:48] <gordonjcp> Evanlec: nope
[08:48] <Hyber[at]Work> Evanlec, I need it for our internal SIP PBX at work, so skype is no go..
[08:48] <Clearze2> limbern: will it let you purge postfix and reinstall?
[08:48] <Evanlec> Hyber[at]Work, ooh, well i donno then
[08:48] <gordonjcp> desertc: zsnes
[08:48] <bazhang> V1k1ng: medibuntu is probably the easiest
[08:48] <V1k1ng> desertc, who's complaining?  i boot into windows when I want to game  :D
[08:48] <Inverse> desertc  mario does run on ubuntu
[08:48] <brandon_> lol
[08:48] <V1k1ng> baz:  on synaptic?
[08:48] <desertc> gordonjcp: But the cartridge won't fit into my cdrom drive!!!
[08:48] <Evanlec> i remember itunes had an on-the-fly normalizing type option
[08:49] <desertc> !skype
[08:49] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:49] <V1k1ng> or are you talking about repositories?
[08:49] <Evanlec> gordonjcp, gnormalize any good?
[08:49] <gordonjcp> desertc: that's why you need an eprom programmer
[08:49] <gordonjcp> Evanlec: dunno, never used it
[08:49] <V1k1ng> !codecs
[08:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:49] <limbern> Clearze2: Am not shure. Am trying to just set up a very small webserver for som testing.
[08:49] <brandon_> V1k1ng: that kinda defeats the purpose of my getting linux in the first place (to save money to buy things)
[08:49] <Evanlec> uh huh
[08:49] <limbern> sure*
[08:49] <brandon_> lol
[08:49] <Clearze2> limbern: try sudo dpkg --purge postfix  and then reinstall it
[08:49] <Inverse> brandon what are you saving for?
[08:50] <desertc> Hmm - Skype is a closed protocol network.  That network is not compatible with the open SIP protocol client Ekiga provided with Ubuntu by default.
[08:50] <V1k1ng> brandon, it is almost counterproductive to buy a pc that doesn't come with windows, it is generally more expensive
[08:50] <brandon_> I don't know whatever just don't want to spend money that isn't necissary to spend especially sense this works just as good
[08:50] <Shadix> should my .themes file path be /home/username/.themes ?
[08:50] <desertc> brandon_: You're just using Linux to save money?  Sorry you missed the information on Freedom.
[08:50] <V1k1ng> the only thing that rubs me the wrong way is that windows takes up a good 10 gigs of hd space
[08:50] <limbern> Clearze2: i got the same error
[08:51] <Inverse> freedom is an illusion
[08:51] <Shadix> !ubuntu
[08:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <brandon_> lol
[08:51] <Clearze2> limbern: when you tried to purge?
[08:51] <mitsuhashi> hi to every1
[08:51] <Shadix> Hola
[08:51] <limbern> Clearze2: i wrote: sudo dpkg --purge postfix and got the same error
[08:51] <Clearze2> Inverse: Freedom is Choice
[08:51] <JimmyJazz> hi mitsuhashi
[08:51] <Inverse> ?????
[08:51] <mitsuhashi> hi jimmy
[08:51] <Inverse> konban ha
[08:52] <HuibertGill> brandon_: saving $100 for an OS on a $1000 pc?
[08:52] <shukty> hi dudes , i have a problem with mysql using ubuntu  ... it wont keep my root pass , i have to retype it , i mean   mysql -u root -p everytime .... something to fix it ?
[08:52] <Shadix> ....O.o
[08:52] <desertc> !mysql
[08:52] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:52] <V1k1ng> like I said, it is counterproductive to buy a pc that doesn't come with windows, it is generally more expensive
[08:52] <V1k1ng> I wish manufacturers gave you the option to buy something w/out vista
[08:52] <desertc> Ubuntu is worth twice the price of Windows.
[08:52] <V1k1ng> a few do
[08:52] <gordonjcp> shukty: if you type mysql -u root -p then you need to give it a password
[08:52] <Shadix> hey why don't we all take a look at the meaning of Ubuntu
[08:52] <gordonjcp> shukty: that's what the "-p" means
[08:53] <Inverse> you dont have to pay for windows preinstalled
[08:53] <brandon_> HuibertGill: who says I have a 1000 dollar pc, and 100 bucks is a chunk of change to me I am 18 go to college and only have a part time job
[08:53] <mitsuhashi> anyone have gutsy installed?
[08:53] <gordonjcp> Inverse: yes, you do
[08:53] <Shadix> Nelson Mandela has a great explination of his view
[08:53] <Inverse> gordonjcp, you dont
[08:53] <gordonjcp> Inverse: uhm, ok
[08:53] <shukty> shall i go to sleep , tnx man
[08:53] <HuibertGill> yeah, I know, sorry
[08:53] <BubblegumTate> I do
[08:53] <Clearze2> limbern: is the main.cf present at /etc/postfix/ ?
[08:53] <gordonjcp> Inverse: so the manufacturers just put it on for free, yeah?
[08:53] <wi1> hey, yesterday i installed 7.10 but kept my home folder on a different partition. now, all my old settings work except for evolution maol. it asks me if i want to restore a backup. which file in ~/.evolution/ _is_ my backup?
[08:53] <brandon_> no its alright
[08:53] <wi1> mail*
[08:54] <brandon_> lol
[08:54] <Shadix> ether way offtopic
[08:54] <Thecks> Anybody else been having problems with getting WebDavs to work on Nautillus?
[08:54] <V1k1ng> inverse:  then why does HP give you $100 credit for buying a computer w/out windows?
[08:54] <Shadix> :P
[08:54] <JimmyJazz> i don't have gutsy installed - is it worth it?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> Inverse: that's cool, I didn't know that Microsoft was giving it away for nothing
[08:54] <Inverse> UK freelancer Dave Mitchell bought a new Dell laptop, replaced its copy of Windows with Linux - and got money back from Dell for never using the Microsoft OS.
[08:54] <gordonjcp> JimmyJazz: what are you running at the moment?
[08:54] <bazhang> JimmyJazz: yes
[08:54] <brandon_> I didn't either I don
[08:54] <Inverse> gordonjcp, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6144782.stm
[08:54] <brandon_> need a new pc though*
[08:54] <mitsuhashi> the only thing that I can't understand in Gutsy is why Gnome takes a looooooooong time to start after the gdm login
[08:54] <limbern> Clearze2: No1Viking , the only .cf file i have is a master.cf
[08:54] <HuibertGill> Inverse: how MS handles the OEM market is not easy to discuss here
[08:55] <JimmyJazz> running feisty
[08:55] <Inverse> When he started it for the first time, he clicked the box that said "no" on the Windows licence agreement that asked him to agree to its terms. The text of this agreement states users can get a refund for the "unused products" on their new computer if they get in touch with the machine's manufacturer.
[08:55] <Shadix> HubibertGill, LMAO
[08:55] <limbern> sorry i mean: No, the only .cf file i have is a master.cf
[08:55] <HuibertGill> DELL/HP must sell a minimum amount (and percentage) of preinstalled Vista boxes, to get a certain rebate,
[08:55] <gordonjcp> Inverse: yes - which means that having Windows is costing you something
[08:55] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, what's going on?
[08:55] <brandon_> lol
[08:55] <mitsuhashi> hi viking
[08:55] <HuibertGill> or worse, will not get MS OEM licenses
[08:55] <greencookie> sup
[08:56] <Clearze2> limbern: do you have a livecd?
[08:56] <limbern> yes
[08:56] <Shadix> ALL, Here's a good joke http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45194/
[08:56] <Myrtti> ERHM
[08:56] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[08:56] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:56] <mitsuhashi> do u know why gnome takes up to 1 minute tu start after the first gdm login
[08:56] <mitsuhashi> ?
[08:56] <Shadix> right sry
[08:56] <HuibertGill> Judge Jackson has written it all down in the finding of facts, iat the end of the MS vs US trial
[08:56] <No1Viking> limbern, it's ok!  :)
[08:56] <brandon_> if I get a different distrobution will that solve my problem about steam?
[08:56] <HuibertGill> It is an very long, but very interseting read
[08:56] <Myrtti> HuibertGill: that goes for you too
[08:56] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, no, i had a different problem with my boot hanging before the gdm login
[08:56] <HuibertGill> Myrtti: what?
[08:56] <JimmyJazz> gotta go - baby crying
[08:57] <mitsuhashi> with a blak screen?
[08:57] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, yeah
[08:57] <Myrtti> !offtopic > HuibertGill
[08:57] <mitsuhashi> just after grub?
[08:57] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, right
[08:57] <mitsuhashi> ok
[08:57] <Shadix> so where are my themes stored, i mean what is SUPPOSED to be the fie path?
[08:57] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, i just killed the splash screen
[08:57] <Clearze2> limbern: I don't know a lot about postfix but if the file is not present at all it would seem like you could copy the main.cf from the livecd to /etc/postfix/  . That being said I don't know if it would have to be altered at all to work with your system.
[08:57] <mitsuhashi> I had that problem too
[08:57] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi,  ugly but it works
[08:57] <HuibertGill> Myrtti: I was not going any further anyways
[08:57] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, how did u work around it?
[08:58] <Myrtti> HuibertGill: just so you know
[08:58] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, adjust vga settings?
[08:58] <bryan553> i wonder does "wget" command support referring option ? (if i would like to download file from : www.demo.com/1234.zip . but the website approve downloads just from the referring "www.demo.com" ?
[08:58] <mitsuhashi> I've solved editing the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:58] <DemonTux> anybody interested in newer distro
[08:58] <Shadix> Always
[08:58] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi,  what did you edit, if I might ask
[08:58] <alch3mist> how to do you calibrate a joystick in ubuntu?
[08:58] <limbern> Clearze2: ok, i try to copy it from the live cd. Thanks for the help! :)
[08:58] <V1k1ng> ????
[08:58] <alch3mist> how do you calibrate a joystick in ubuntu?
[08:58] <desertc> !joystick
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joystick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:58] <Clearze2> limbern: np
[08:58] <alch3mist> !joystick
[09:00] <alch3mist> no info on factoids... anyone ?
[09:00] <brandon_> looks like I need to get mandriva then
[09:00] <desertc> !patience > alch3mist
[09:00] <vosskaem> anybody there who can help me with a small question?
[09:00] <alch3mist> joystick calibration in ubuntu how to?
[09:00] <brandon_> gosh dangit I just downloaded this freaking os on my hardrive!
[09:00] <Inverse> dont people know how to use google?
[09:00] <Inverse> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-set-up-a-gameportgamepad-or-joystick-in-ubuntu.html
[09:01] <gIrl_swEet> HYYYYYYY
[09:01] <desertc> !hi
[09:01] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[09:01] <gIrl_swEet> hi
[09:01] <CCB0x45> hey, how do I turn on compiz-fusion and all its effects under gutsy?
[09:02] <desertc> !effects
[09:02] <ubotu> Desktop Effects are supported on graphics cards that use the default Intel and ATI drivers and the restricted !NVIDIA drivers, except for the following, which are blacklisted due to stability/compatibility issues: Intel 965, ATI Rs480 and Rv350, ATI Mobility x300, x600 and x700 - Join #compiz-fusion for anything not officially supported by Ubuntu
[09:02] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, System->Preferences->Appearances
[09:02] <V1k1ng> !compiz
[09:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[09:02] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, then click on tab Visual Effects
[09:02] <Evanlec> gordonjcp, i believe you are mistaken about the having to re-encode mp3's to change volume: http://www.linux.com/articles/59957
[09:02] <CCB0x45> eckesicle, yea I turned on all the visual effect
[09:03] <CCB0x45> visual effects, I dont notice a different
[09:03] <CCB0x45> and for some reason my windows like now stick to the top bar
[09:03] <mitsuhashi> V1k1ng did you read my messages?
[09:03] <CCB0x45> I cant move them around
[09:03] <bamsamba> is there a way to delay the subtitle in mplayer/vlc?
[09:03] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, no, i didn't see it!!!
[09:03] <bamsamba> i can't find an offset option in mplayer man
[09:03] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, yes they are sticky.  and, in that preferences menu, go to the last tab...try to enable "custom"
[09:06] <mitsuhashi> V1k1ng did you read my lasts publkic messages?
[09:06] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, yes!  how did you do it????
[09:06] <CCB0x45> k
[09:06] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, I had to break my splash screen so now I get ugly text   :(
[09:07] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, but I don't have to wait 93829 hrs for it to load
[09:07] <CCB0x45> V1k1ng, there is just None, Normal, and Extra
[09:07] <Evanlec> i just wish i could get text in anything but 640x480 :(
[09:07] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45, you need something hold on
[09:08] <mitsuhashi> V1k1ng, after I modified the # defoptions line of the /boot/grub/menu.lst how explained I get the splash immediatly
[09:08] <CCB0x45> and why are all my windows stuck in place lol
[09:08] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, double click in menu bar. can you move them now?
[09:08] <eckesicle> sorry not menubar, namelist
[09:09] <V1k1ng> mitsuhashi, i did that too, but I could only mame the splash
[09:09] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45, hold on!
[09:09] <luisbg_> any dslr photographer in the room?
[09:10] <ardy> Hi has anyone setup a ubuntu desktop machine as an ldap client?
[09:10] <CCB0x45> uh oh, I just logged out and logged back in
[09:10] <CCB0x45> and I have no window manager
[09:10] <zetheroo> anyone use Scribus here?
[09:11] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, try to turn compiz off.
[09:11] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,   i wonder if your video card is set up?
[09:11] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, I mean turn visual effects off.
[09:12] <CCB0x45> eckesicle, I cant turn anything off
[09:12] <CCB0x45> I just have a blank screen with a mouse
[09:12] <V1k1ng> uh oh
[09:12] <V1k1ng> so x crashed or can you restart x?
[09:13] <CCB0x45> that was after I restarted X
[09:13] <CCB0x45> im in X
[09:13] <CCB0x45> but with no window manager... so I cant do anything
[09:13] <aasi> hi there, where is the keymap for ubuntu found?
[09:13] <aasi> some where in /etc?
[09:13] <docta_v> my wifi card constantly disconnects.. it's driving me nuts
[09:14] <CCB0x45> control-alt-backspace is doing nothing
[09:14] <docta_v> i even bought an atheros card and same problem
[09:14] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,  try to reboot?
[09:14] <bazhang> docta_v: what is the error message if any
[09:14] <CCB0x45> rebooting
[09:15] <ardy> Hi Has anyone here setup an LDAP client in ubuntu?
[09:15] <V1k1ng> docta_v, u using broadcom card?
[09:15] <ardy> please?
[09:15] <eckesicle> CCB0x45, Alt-F2 work?
[09:16] <bazhang> http://www.debuntu.org/ldap-server-and-linux-ldap-clients ardy
[09:16] <docta_v> bazhang: no error message
[09:16] <docta_v> V1k1ng: no atheros
[09:17] <ardy> bazhang: I got page not found
[09:17] <CCB0x45> eckesicle, im still rebooting cause I think it tried to load the wrong wifi driver that time and froze
[09:17] <docta_v> i was using a realtek card before that with ndiswrapper
[09:17] <docta_v> i also had to restart networking but not as often
[09:17] <docta_v> and occassionally it would just lock up my system
[09:17] <ardy> Bazhang: I know how to setup ldap as a client, the problem is that kssyslogd uses the inits before the network does
[09:17] <docta_v> so i got an atheros card... still get disconnects
[09:17] <ardy> and it tries to use suer syslod
[09:18] <rtl8139> docta_v: too far away from the wireless AP?
[09:18] <docta_v> i'm not using the stock firmware on my AP but still... nothing else has a problem with it
[09:18] <bazhang> ardy: well, that was my best--clueless otherwise--sorry :}
[09:18] <ardy> which then causes pam_ldap.so to hang forever trying to connect to the ldap server which it cannot because of networkig not being up
[09:18] <ardy> bazhang: oh ok
[09:18] <docta_v> Link Quality=37/70
[09:19] <docta_v> it's in the next room
[09:19] <phoenix_> hey
[09:19] <geometry> 中国
[09:19] <CCB0x45> ah cool after this reboot
[09:19] <phoenix_> I have a radeon 9600Se...
[09:19] <CCB0x45> I have some cool effects
[09:19] <V1k1ng> i've noticed the ubuntu guide for gutsy is coming together rather slowly
[09:19] <CCB0x45> hey Viking, how do I get the custom menu now?
[09:19] <phoenix_> I'm lookin' to use it with my gusty...
[09:19] <geometry> cn.ubuntu
[09:19] <phoenix_> is there a way to check for drivers... or SOMETHING?
[09:19] <phoenix_> $ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:19] <geometry> where chinese
[09:19] <phoenix_> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[09:19] <phoenix_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indire
[09:19] <phoenix_> any ideas?
[09:20] <bazhang> !cn | geometry
[09:20] <ubotu> geometry: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[09:20] <geometry> cn#ubuntu
[09:20] <CCB0x45> V1k1ng, is there some way you enable it?
[09:20] <anggarda> Hiello #ubuntu. What is the name of the audit daemon that logs and record system processes and load averages?
[09:20] <phoenix_> anyone?
[09:20] <phoenix_> *takes a number*
[09:20] <bazhang> geometry: type /join first
[09:20] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,  so you've installed the drivers and nothing?
[09:21] <phoenix_> no
[09:21] <phoenix_> I haven't installed drivers
[09:21] <phoenix_> I've installed the os...
[09:21] <V1k1ng> ok
[09:21] <bazhang> !ati | phoenix_
[09:21] <ubotu> phoenix_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:22] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,  there should be a restricted drivers manager in the upper right, next to network stuff
[09:22] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   you should be able to get ati drivers from there...
[09:22] <phoenix_> ummm
[09:22] <phoenix_> where?
[09:22] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,   http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#Advanced_Desktop_Effects_.28Compiz_Fusion.29
[09:23] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45, try that out
[09:23] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   upper right on the tool bar?
[09:23] <phoenix_> nothing...
[09:23] <tamino> V1k1ng, saw that you're talking about ATi-drivers. I'm using Envy, but got some problems, anything you heard of before?
[09:24] <V1k1ng> tamino, word on the street is that if u use envy, you might as well reinstall  :(
[09:24] <bazhang> heh
[09:24] <CCB0x45> V1k1ng, thanks
[09:24] <tamino>  =S
[09:24] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   hold on brother
[09:24] <V1k1ng> tamino,   been there, done that  :(
[09:25] <tamino> it solved two problems, but i got two new ones. =S
[09:25] <tamino> or,, three
[09:25] <[che][xma][fz]> mmmm
[09:25] <phoenix_> hey
[09:26] <phoenix_> it said "no restricted drivers are needed"
[09:26] <phoenix_> all I'm trying to do is get my compiz to work...
[09:26] <phoenix_> but everytime I click "syste" -> prefs -> appearance
[09:26] <V1k1ng> u will need those drivers
[09:26] <phoenix_> then visual effects
[09:26] <phoenix_> hm
[09:27] <phoenix_> linux-restricted-modules-generic is already the newest version.
[09:27] <phoenix_> linux-restricted-modules-generic set to manual installed.
[09:27] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   go up into system  --> administration -->  restricted drivers manager
[09:27] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   it's like a greenish icon
[09:28] <dansku> hello, i'm trying to install the new XMMS, but this message GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed , but can't install it, does any one have any idea how can I make it work?
[09:28] <V1k1ng> tamino,   I don't know man, all I know is that envy seriously screwed up my system
[09:28] <phoenix_> "your hardware does not need any restricted drivers"
[09:28] <phoenix_> thats exactly what I get when I click on it...
[09:28] <V1k1ng> lol
[09:28] <V1k1ng> ok
[09:28] <bazhang> dansku: from the repositories?
[09:28] <tamino> ty for the help V1k1ng, i'll try and uninstall Envy, (keep my fingers krossed) and then just install it from Restricted Drivers
[09:28] <dansku> bazhang, but there's no apt-get install glib
[09:29] <V1k1ng> tamino, I would try reinstalling and using the restricted drivers manager  if you've got ati
[09:29] <Myrtti> dansku: no, the xmms?
[09:29] <tamino> btw V1k1ng  do you use one or two screens?
[09:29] <V1k1ng> tamino,  seriously save yourself a headache
[09:29] <bazhang> dansku: what is the precise name? glib is likely not it
[09:29] <V1k1ng> tamino,   one, i'm on a laptop
[09:29] <dansku> Myrtti, but in the repository, ubunu only have the old version
[09:29] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   open a terminal    applications-->accessories
[09:29] <Myrtti> dansku: why do you want the new version?
[09:29] <tamino> ok, not many that are using dual-screens it seeems
[09:30] <dansku> this is the msg: configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[09:30] <Myrtti> dansku: does it have some cool feature that you can't live without?
[09:30] <pipelineaudio> wooooooooooooooooot
[09:30] <pipelineaudio> http://shup.com/Shup/12002/IMAGE_123.jpg
[09:30] <dansku> I want to try out
[09:30] <pipelineaudio> finally my ubuntu works!
[09:30] <dansku> it's been a while without new versions :)
[09:30] <phoenix_> and?
[09:30] <phoenix_> I know basic stuff mate;)
[09:30] <V1k1ng> pipelineaudio,   mine is working too!  only 1 minor glitch
[09:30] <pipelineaudio> sweet!
[09:31] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   type "glxgears"
[09:31] <pipelineaudio> nice feeling of accomplishment lol
[09:31] <Myrtti> dansku: if there's nothing astoundingly cool and new in the newer versions, I'd stick to the one found in the repositories
[09:31] <bazhang> yay pipelineaudio!
[09:31] <pipelineaudio> after torturing everyone in here for 3 days
[09:31] <bazhang> hehe
[09:31] <dansku> Myrtti, have any idea how long will take to update from the repository?
[09:31] <Myrtti> dansku: define update
[09:31] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   what's happening?
[09:32] <CCB0x45> whats the super button?
[09:32] <bazhang> windows
[09:32] <CCB0x45> ah ok
[09:32] <Myrtti> dansku: I don't know how broadband your broadband is
[09:32] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,   you're scaring me  :D
[09:32] <V1k1ng> I guess I have two glitches
[09:32] <V1k1ng> my wireless is not working optimally
[09:32] <V1k1ng> but at least it's working
[09:33] <dansku> Myrtti, like, it a meka a apt-get upgrade it will install the newest version, not the old one that is right now there
[09:33] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   u there??
[09:33] <Myrtti> dansku: if you've been doing your software updates as everyone should, you're having the newest version the repositories have
[09:33] <Myrtti> dansku: the thing is this
[09:34] <phoenix_> ya
[09:34] <phoenix_> one tick
[09:34] <gh> hi every body
[09:34] <phoenix_> $ sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[09:34] <phoenix_> Warning: Could not find configuration file
[09:34] <phoenix_> Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11
[09:34] <Myrtti> dansku: you might be just fine doing the upgrade the oldfashioned "build it from the sources" "download the installation package from a webpage" thing
[09:34] <phoenix_> that can't be good...
[09:34] <gh> may i ask a question about Ubuntu Cloning ?
[09:35] <phoenix_> neat
[09:35] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   bad...I think that means ubuntu did not recognize your hardware!
[09:35] <gh> I have the following issue :
[09:35] <phoenix_> I see gears
[09:35] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   the gears are running?
[09:35] <CCB0x45> these effects are pretty fun
[09:35] <phoenix_> ya
[09:35] <Myrtti> dansku: but for future updates, dependency resolving and everything, I suggest you really stick with the xmms you've already got from the repos and upgrade from there
[09:35] <phoenix_> 1921 frames in 5.0 seconds = 382.439 FPS
[09:35] <phoenix_> 1469 frames in 5.2 seconds = 285.215 FPS
[09:35] <phoenix_> 1356 frames in 5.2 seconds = 260.710 FPS
[09:35] <V1k1ng> Phoenix321_,   in terminal it should be giving you a report of fps...what does it say?
[09:36] <phoenix_> hehe
[09:36] <phoenix_> already ahead of ya;)
[09:36] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   that is low
[09:36] <phoenix_> hmm
[09:36] <phoenix_> well, this IS just vmware
[09:36] <V1k1ng> so it must not be recognizing your vid card
[09:36] <gh> on two physically identical machines, i rsynced one disk on the other (booted Knoppix to do so, via the network)
[09:36] <phoenix_> is that an issue?
[09:36] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   even so
[09:36] <phoenix_> I'm using vmware on a windows box...
[09:36] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   probably, that is something i know nothing about
[09:36] <gh> i changed the UUID stuff in etc/fstab
[09:36] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   you should try to set up a dual boot system
[09:36] <phoenix_> fawt...
[09:37] <phoenix_> fawk*
[09:37] <phoenix_> I'm thinkin' about it
[09:37] <joe-free-t> hello
[09:37] <phoenix_> but has that been fixed?
[09:37] <phoenix_> I remember when windows+redhat caused a load of issues
[09:37] <mosibfu> 304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.716 FPS
[09:37] <gh> but the target clone won't boot : it stalled at the "starting kernel log daemon" step...
[09:37] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,   Hey, i'm glad that solution worked, you got the cube and everything?
[09:37] <gh> does anybody know why ?
[09:38] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   I'm running ubuntu and windows on this laptop with no issues...been running all sorts of distros for the past few months
[09:38] <joe-free-t> can anyone help me with a wireless issue?
[09:39] <V1k1ng> joe-free-t, broadcom?
[09:39] <joe-free-t> erm zydas
[09:39] <punzada> phoenix_, that has absolutely been fixed, dual booting and even multi booting is basically a non issue entirely at this point
[09:39] <joe-free-t> I've read the forum posts but I'm too much of a novice to understand
[09:40] <V1k1ng> joe-free-t,   sorry dude, you'll have to start a post or ask someone else
[09:40] <_blitz_> When i did a glxgears ,i got 1250 FPS with my nvidia card.is that ok?
[09:40] <joe-free-t> ok
[09:40] <V1k1ng> _blitz_,   I dunno, I get 2000 or so with my radeon 9600
[09:41] <V1k1ng> joe-free-t,   I think it's noob helping noob this late at night  :D
[09:42] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: 78033 frames in 5.0 seconds = 15606.535 FPS
[09:42] <_blitz_> V1k1ng  I just wanted to know if this was outlandish
[09:42] <CCB0x45> compiz is pretty cool
[09:42] <V1k1ng> phoenix_,   you should set up a small partition for ubuntu and play around with it...i just started with an old PIII box
[09:42] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,   you like?  I'm glad that guide worked
[09:42] <CCB0x45> is there any way with fusion you can just download like settings that people have created
[09:43] <dejai> u
[09:43] <CCB0x45> that tie everything together well?
[09:43] <_blitz_> Yeah this is why i asked.i heard other people too were getiing above 10 k FPS
[09:43] <CCB0x45> cause right now its pretty like tossed together
[09:43] <mosibfu> _blitz_: i run an awsome box here mate, very hard to compare
[09:43] <V1k1ng> CCB0x45,   I dunno...It's so new that I'm guess that'll come in a few months
[09:43] <CCB0x45> ah cool
[09:43] <punzada> _blitz_, are you using the nvidia closed source drivers ?
[09:43] <punzada> that does look a little low for the card
[09:43] <V1k1ng> mosibfu, that is pretty impressive
[09:44] <_blitz_> mosibu ..ok ok.
[09:44] <CCB0x45> my old dell laptop runs ubuntu really nice
[09:44] <mosibfu> _blitz_: i would say you ave a 5200 something, and you have 3d desktop on
[09:44] <CCB0x45> I had only used ubuntu for my mythtv box
[09:44] <_blitz_> i am using nvidia closed source
[09:44] <CCB0x45> figured I would install it on my old laptop, runs compiz nicely
[09:44] <_blitz_> 6200 TC 3D Desktop is on
[09:45] <mosibfu> _blitz_: turn desktop op, and 6200 is kinda low clocked aswell, same as 5200 basically, so i was close
[09:45] <mosibfu> _blitz_: i run 2x 8500GT overclocked on SLI :P
[09:45] <punzada> lol dick :P
[09:45] <_blitz_> mosibfu .you really mean off?
[09:46] <punzada> i have a evga 7600gt on my machine, nowhere near top of the line but i love that card
[09:46] <mosibfu> _blitz_: ye sorry thats what i mean, i think u will hit 1800/2000 then
[09:46] <MTecknology> what comes between any of these? low, medium, high
[09:46] <punzada> i beat it like it owes me money :P
[09:46] <_blitz_> mosibfu...my god helluva box over there:)
[09:46] <MTecknology> I need 4 variables for this and my brain's fried...
[09:46] <cyberick> Have anyone got problem with big fonts at the login window? ;\
[09:47] <mosibfu> _blitz_: ye, hehe ;)
[09:47] <mosibfu> _blitz_: thats why i said, hard to compare
[09:47] <allan> nope
[09:47] <V1k1ng> cyberick, yeah, that usually means your vid card is not set up properly
[09:48] <_blitz_> mosibfu... dont bother to compare.
[09:48] <_blitz_> i use beryl
[09:48] <V1k1ng> mosibfu, whut are you doing with all that firepower?
[09:48] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: dont laugh, i do hardly 100 FPS in counter-strike+wine..
[09:48] <V1k1ng> besides going into debt?
[09:48] <xivanari> hey can someone help me fix my graphics card configuration, my xorg file has become seriously messed up.
[09:49] <xivanari> http://pastebin.ca/790365 theres a copy of my xorg file
[09:49] <V1k1ng> mosibfu,  better than the 35 I get in windows
[09:49] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: i never go into debt :P
[09:49] <mikebeecham> good morning all....can anyone tell me why the fonts on Ubuntu do not quite look the same as on windows?  For example I am running firefox, but even using the Arial font, it's not quite the same somehow?
[09:49] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: in windows i get about 400
[09:49] <riotkittie> xivanari: running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' might help
[09:49] <V1k1ng> mosibfu,   lol, that's insande
[09:49] <xivanari> riotkittie so i have heard
[09:50] <punzada> 400 fps in source mosibfu ?
[09:50] <V1k1ng> mikebeecham, i think that is because those are microsoft proprietary fonts
[09:50] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: ye well i rather have too much power then fps drops :P
[09:50] <punzada> or 1.6?
[09:50] <xivanari> riotkittie: however i have tried running that with x-server shut down even and it wont work
[09:50] <xivanari> doesnt do anything
[09:50] <waan> I'm trying to edit the main menu items in my system preferences, but when I put a tick in "system tools" the tick goes away. Anyone know why this is?
[09:50] <mikebeecham> V1k1ng: ...I have installed the core MS fonts...so the fonts in MS are the same as Ubuntu
[09:50] <Meroigo> When theen software updates, are the updates put into the program even if they are running? Because it never asks me to restart a program... Maybe one time when Firefox was updated, then it needed a restart.
[09:50] <mikebeecham> but for some reason the linux one look 'wider'
[09:50] <Lamartin> hi every body
[09:50] <cyberick> V1king, is there any "trick" for me to fix the big font's error?
[09:50] <_blitz_> mosibfu: is 7600GT an acceptable card?
[09:51] <mosibfu> punzada: no in 1.6 mate, i am oldschool, play since 1999
[09:51] <V1k1ng> mikebeecham,  I remember doing this in 7.04 and thinking that they didn't look right either
[09:51] <Lamartin> can anybody help my on a replication issue with Ubuntu ?
[09:51] <Jordan_U__> cyberick, Change the DPI setting
[09:51] <mosibfu> _blitz_: yes its a good card, i have one here, sadly i could not find a second one for SLI so i had to buy 2 new cards
[09:51] <Jordan_U__> cyberick, System -> Preferences -> Fonts, look in advanced
[09:51] <punzada> mosibfu, figured so, I work for a hosting company, we do lots of CS:S/1/6/cz servers etc etc
[09:51] <V1k1ng> cyberick,   yeah, make sure your vid card is set up properly
[09:51] <suubpar> !wireless
[09:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:52] <punzada> was going to be super impressed if you got that fps in source though :) ha.
[09:52] <s|eepy> hi there - anyone able to help me with Citrix?  Im trying to connect to work but keep getting errors from the ICA client about UTN-USERFirst-Hardware
[09:52] <Inverse> what card is it mosibfu
[09:52] <Jordan_U__> Lamartin, replication?
[09:52] <V1k1ng> V1k1ng,   what's probably happening is you system is booting into a low res login screen
[09:52] <mosibfu> Inverse: it is 8500GT overclocked (asus silent one) on SLI.. so 2 cards
[09:52] <mikebeecham> so is there anything in particular that I can do to sort the fonts out, or is this a linux issue?
[09:52] <mosibfu> punzada: i think i do about 200/250 in source..
[09:52] <Lamartin> Jordan_U : i am used to clone a model machine on many (identical) target machines with rsync
[09:52] <Jordan_U__> mikebeecham, What is wrong with the fonts?
[09:52] <V1k1ng> I do a lot of camping in source or else my machine lags up
[09:52] <punzada> that's respectable
[09:52] <Lamartin> Jordan_U : it always worked with Debian
[09:53] <punzada> I want those cards :)
[09:53] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: i dont like source that much, no offence, but there are alot of newbies there, i play since 1999, so its too easy
[09:53] <V1k1ng> cyberick, ,   what's probably happening is you system is booting into a low res login screen
[09:53] <mikebeecham> Jordan_U: ...Ih ave installed the core MS fonts, but when I look at a firefox screen, they dont exactly like they would in Windows...for some reason they look a little 'wider'
[09:53] <Jordan_U__> Lamartin, In what way is it not working with Ubuntu?
[09:53] <s|eepy> I have tried importing a new key but same every time - I have connected using Citrix with older versions of Ubuntu fine - but this one (Gutsy) just aint playing :(
[09:53] <mikebeecham> web pages, for example, do not quite look the same
[09:53] <punzada> I just like to use the game as a good benchmark for modern performance, I always like the 1.6 gameplay best myself :)
[09:53] <mosibfu> punzada: they are not expensive, 100 euro per card
[09:53] <V1k1ng> mosibfu,   me too, but I don't play that much anymore so I'm a noob again
[09:53] <s|eepy> And I should have been logged in and working like 1hr ago lol
[09:53] <cyberick> V1k1ng, The problem is that I have no idea how to change that.
[09:54] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: i played source for 3 months, last 2 months i played source i made 2100 euro a month..
[09:54] <Lamartin> Jordan_U : the boot process gets blocked at the "Starting Kernel log daemon" step
[09:54] <punzada> I'd have to be buying a lot more then 2 of the cards though :)
[09:54] <punzada> I have neither the psu or the mobo to support them lol
[09:54] <CCB0x45> how do you add desktops?
[09:54] <V1k1ng> cyberick,   what kind of card do you have???
[09:55] <mosibfu> punzada: i had that problem aswell, so i saved money and buy some really phat system ;)
[09:55] <punzada> haha, I'll be scraping by, holidays and such, but come my raise in january i'll be able to rebeef up my system
[09:55] <V1k1ng> I'm going to download a bunch of hacks so that I can keep up with you high-end hardware types :D
[09:55] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: shooters is like riding a bicycle, you will never forget how, just a little getting used to
[09:55] <bazhang> mosibfu: what do you use the second card for?
[09:55] <riotkittie> CCB0x45: System > Preferences > Appearance [its an option on one of the tabs, though i forget where] or System > preferences > advanced appearance... if you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed. General Options, horizontal virtual desktops.
[09:56] <mosibfu> bazhang: i have SLI, so 2 cards work togeather
[09:56] <CCB0x45> thanks
[09:56] <bazhang> mosibfu: would that work on intel?
[09:56] <xivanari> why is it that every time i click the test button under screen and graphics preferences then it just shuts down the entire preferences window without doing anything
[09:56] <cyberick> V1k1ng, I think is a intel chipset... not video card
[09:56] <xivanari> and why is it that none of my preferences in that menu are ever saved
[09:56] <Lamartin> Jordan_U : i changed the UUID settings in the /etc/fstab but it has nothing to do about it
[09:56] <mosibfu> bazhang: on intel cards? or intel CPU? you will need SLI ready motherboard, and 2 identical cards, that is all
[09:57] <V1k1ng> cyberick, I am not sure what to do with those intel accelerators
[09:57] <bazhang> mosibfu: not sure how to check my mobo--it's an asus desktop
[09:57] <V1k1ng> can anyone help cyberick to see if his intel graphics card is working properly?
[09:58] <Lamartin> Jordan_U : can U help me ?
[09:58] <bazhang> cyberick: the intel video card not working with compiz? or something else
[09:59] <mosibfu> bazhang: if it has nvidia chipset, and 2 pci-e 16 slots, it will work, the pci-e slots, you can just look into your case, but i dont know how to check the chipset
[09:59] <V1k1ng> bazhang, we were trying to determine if it is even set up, i've only ever set up ati
[09:59] <bazhang> mosibfu: wow. I am so doing that..hehe thanks!
[09:59] <cyberick> bazhang, I have the problem with the big fonts at login screen
[10:00] <mosibfu> bazhang: if i am right, asus print the motherboard name, on the motherboard, so you can read the type from there, and google for specifications
[10:00] <bazhang> cyberick: I have that problem as well, though it goes away with the login screen right?
[10:00] <cyberick> bazhang, Yeah. Everything normal after login.
[10:00] <bazhang> mosibfu: cheers! will google asap. :}
[10:00] <Lamartin> Jordan_U__: the boot process gets blocked at the "Starting Kernel log daemon" step
[10:00] <JPSman> how do I dual monitor again?
[10:01] <mosibfu> bazhang: easyest is www.asus.com.tw (i also have asus motherboard, asus a8n sli-se
[10:01] <Lamartin> Jordan_U__ : i changed the UUID settings in the /etc/fstab but it has nothing to do about it
[10:01] <bazhang> cyberick: I think it's a common complaint--not actually a showstopper though--everything works ok once on the desktop?
[10:01] <mosibfu> !dualhead | JPSman
[10:01] <ubotu> JPSman: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[10:01] <Kalamansi> i dont like asus
[10:01] <Lamartin> Jordan_U__: can U help me ?
[10:01] <JPSman> !x
[10:01] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:01] <Kalamansi> try gigabyte solid capacitor
[10:01] <bazhang> thanks mosibfu!
[10:01] <abcent> stupid question... i've d/loaded drivers to desktop! how to install?
[10:01] <cyberick> bazhang, Yep, it's just that it's strange since my ubuntu 7.04 worked perfectly.
[10:01] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: i kind of love asus, very stabile for me, also have 2 asus 3d cards :)
[10:02] <Kalamansi> cyberick: whats the model of your mobo?
[10:02] <Kalamansi> mosibfu: thats cool.but i dont like asus because its expensive.hehehe
[10:02] <mosibfu> bazhang: no problem mate, if you need help setting SLI up just say my name here, im here most of time
[10:02] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: quality costs some money ;)
[10:02] <JPSman> what was linux written in?  pearl?
[10:03] <BrendanJ> mostly C
[10:03] <BrendanJ> the kernel, anyway
[10:03] <bazhang> cyberick: perhaps a workaround would be to follow this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3741031
[10:03] <AmiDaniel_away> An operating system written in pearl ... that would be a sight to see :)
[10:03] <AmiDaniel_away> perl*
[10:03] <bazhang> mosibfu: me too; :} will do.
[10:04] <cyberick> bazhang, Already tried that. ;\
[10:04] <Lunz> hi
[10:04] <Jordan_U__> AmiDaniel_away, An operating system in lisp, that would be a sight to see :)... )))))))
[10:04] <Lunz> how do i install compiz icon from command line?
[10:04] <V1k1ng> cyberick, for me it was video acceleration, lack thereof caused ubuntu to give me a lower res screen with higher fonts
[10:04] <Kalamansi> mosibfu : quality really rocks.well its just that i couldnt afford..well if yer rich as bill gates, send me mobo here hehe
[10:04] <AmiDaniel_away> Jordan_U__: Haha ... well the one line of source code in any case :))
[10:04] <V1k1ng> cyberick, the desktop also was slow and sluggish
[10:05] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: haha im not rich, but i had a girlfriend, i give her lots of presents, then we break up, so then i got alot of money left :P
[10:05] <V1k1ng> I need to get a new lap top
[10:05] <abcent> stupid question... i've d/loaded drivers to desktop! how to install? please totally new to Linux
[10:05] <Jordan_U__> abcent, Drivers for what?
[10:05] <V1k1ng> abcent:  drivers for what?
[10:05] <V1k1ng> lol
[10:05] <abcent> GFX
[10:06] <abcent> nvidia
[10:06] <mosibfu> abcent: what card?
[10:06] <cyberick> V1k1ng, Well the login screen looks just perfect, i mean... resolution at login screen is just fine.
[10:06] <Jordan_U__> abcent, System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager
[10:06] <kahari> hi
[10:06] <Kalamansi> mosibfu  so yer single now dude?
[10:06] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: noo man :P not anymore lol
[10:06] <abcent> jordan ... tried that
[10:06] <V1k1ng> abcent,   yeah use the manager
[10:07] <bazhang> cyberick: how about this? http://karper.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/kubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-a-review/
[10:07] <V1k1ng> cyberick,   I dunno then!
[10:07] <abcent> k
[10:07] <Jordan_U__> abcent, What happened when you tried it?
[10:07] <Kalamansi> mosibfu what are you using?gaim?pidgin?
[10:07] <cyberick> V1k1ng, However, this problem isn't affecting the performance of my system... I'm gonna try googling a lil' bit more.
[10:07] <mikebeecham> is there a ubuntu room that deals with graphical elements, such as metacity, etc?
[10:07] <mikebeecham> or should I be asking my questions here?
[10:07] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: for irc i use xchat, for msn i use amsn
[10:07] <abcent> jordan... too many hours ago to remember
[10:07] <cyberick> V1k1ng, Thanks very much for the intention.
[10:08] <mosibfu> mikebeecham: just ask mate ;)
[10:08] <Kalamansi> i mean all in one application..e.g gaim
[10:08] <Kalamansi> mosibfu
[10:08] <Jordan_U__> abcent, I assume it didn't work?
[10:08] <cyberick> bazhang, I'm gonna check it right away! Thanks!
[10:08] <V1k1ng> cyberick,  we noobs try to help each other!
[10:08] <abcent> nope
[10:08] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: erm, i dont :P i use seperate for a reason
[10:08] <cyberick> :>
[10:08] <Kalamansi> i see..whats the reason mosibfu ?
[10:08] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: amsn support cam and so :P
[10:08] <abcent> eill keep at it thought :)
[10:08] <V1k1ng> mikebeecham,   what's up now?
[10:08] <abcent> will*
[10:08] <Kalamansi> really?wow i should add that.mosibfu
[10:08] <mikebeecham> hi mosibfu...ok, I notice that I can download various elements, such as metacity and gtk2.  As a windows user of many years, can someone please explain what metacity and gtk2 are, and how I would go about installing new ones?
[10:09] <mikebeecham> V1k1ng: I've been using linux for 3 days now, so please bear with me
[10:09] <Jordan_U__> abcent, Is this a very new card?
[10:09] <V1k1ng> mikebeecham,   I'm not that experienced either, but I'll try
[10:09] <abcent> yes 8600 GT
[10:10] <V1k1ng> fancy!
[10:10] <Jordan_U__> abcent, If you decide you need the newest drivers follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[10:10] <mosibfu> mikebeecham: well since linux is open-source, many people translated their view of how it shuld look into their own software, that is why there are different choises.
[10:10] <JPSman> so i take that using TwinView on gusty isn't a good idea right now?
[10:10] <bazhang> cyberick: or here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/16472
[10:10] <JPSman> seems to be alot of bugs in it
[10:10] <abcent> k tar
[10:10] <Jordan_U__> abcent, If you prefer a GUI you can try "envy" but I don't know the quality of that installer
[10:10] <V1k1ng> abcent,   DO NOT ENVY@!
[10:11] <Myrtti> !envy
[10:11] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[10:11] <mike503> is there any way to request expedited package addition to ubuntu? the newest libgoogle-perf stuff works, the current does not
[10:11] <mosibfu> Jordan_U__: envy breaks stuff ;)
[10:11] <cyberick> bazhang, Okis
[10:11] <Myrtti> Jordan_U__: you should know better
[10:11] <abcent> Viking?
[10:11] <V1k1ng> i think what abcent needs is a howto that tells him how to get a .tar installed
[10:11] <mrh> Say fellows, who is knowledgeable in the FireFox issues dept?
[10:11] <V1k1ng> abcent,   do not resort to using ENVY
[10:12] <V1k1ng> abcent,  it will break ur computer
[10:12] <abcent> Viking exactly
[10:12] <Jordan_U__> V1k1ng, I linked him to instructions to installing nvidia drivers manually
[10:12] <V1k1ng> OK
[10:12] <mosibfu> abcent: what V1k1ng says is true, i had to reinstall my computer because of that
[10:12] <V1k1ng> me 2
[10:12] <JPSman> Jordan_U__ could you link those to me too please ?
[10:12] <mikebeecham> JPSman:  I got twinview working on Gutsy fine last night mate
[10:12] <Jordan_U__> JPSman, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[10:12] <V1k1ng> envy is noob mistake #1
[10:12] <mosibfu> !nvidia | JPSman
[10:12] <ubotu> JPSman: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:12] <mrh> Just how do I truly and fully unistall firefox?
[10:13] <mrh> uninstall
[10:13] <mikebeecham> mosibfu : so metacity and gtk2 are essentially the same?
[10:13] <tv_> mrh: you gotta ask a more specific question.  Most everyone here uses FF
[10:13] <Jordan_U__> mrh, confuration and preference files and all?
[10:14] <User715> Hi
[10:14] <mrh> I think that is what I need to do, since reinstalling with synaptic did NO good
[10:14] <Jordan_U__> mrh, sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[10:14] <mosibfu> mikebeecham: well no, some programs use GTK for their look and feel, its like an engine, and metacity is a window manager
[10:14] <User715> I tried installing MP3 support through add/remove and it does not work.
[10:14] <Jordan_U__> mrh, What problem are you having exactly?
[10:14] <User715> Fresh install of latest ubuntu as well.
[10:14] <mosibfu> User715: install restricted extra's
[10:14] <mrh> Jordan - thanks
[10:14] <bazhang> which package User715
[10:14] <Jordan_U__> User715, Doesn't work in what way?
[10:14] <mrh> Well, I installed some extensions
[10:15] <mrh> And when I restarted Firefox
[10:15] <John_5> hey all
[10:15] <mrh> Several things went wrong at once
[10:15] <mrh> some of the extensions quit working
[10:15] <mosibfu> mikebeecham: gtk2 is standard installed, metacity is kinda outdated and replaced by compiz, but gtk+compiz(or metacity) make for what you see as your windows
[10:16] <JPSman> mikebeecham - how do I start using twinview on gutsy?
[10:16] <User715> Also I've ne er been able to get grahpics acceleration with my nvidia geforce2 card and I've had hours of support from the irc channel.
[10:16] <User715> And thats just for basic 2d acceleration
[10:16] <V1k1ng> is ubuntu y2k compatible?
[10:16] <mosibfu> !dualhead  | JPSman
[10:16] <ubotu> JPSman: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[10:16] <frojnd> Guys, I have a huge problem. When I type in my login name and password gutsy needs about 3-5min to work properly, screen loads itself for 4min.... where is the hatch???
[10:16] <osfameron> V1k1ng: :-)
[10:16] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: im afraid not lol
[10:16] <V1k1ng> :D
[10:16] <mikebeecham> JPSman, mosibfu has posted a couple of links..it's worth looking at those
[10:16] <mosibfu> V1k1ng: but if it was y2k again, even 1 would be confused and crash
[10:17] <mrh> Jordan U
[10:17] <abcent> hey is there a way i can migrate thunderbird from vista to ubuntu?
[10:17] <mikebeecham> it's actually fairly easy once you have your nvidia drivers installed
[10:17] <V1k1ng> mosibfu,   good point
[10:17] <John_5> Next y2k is in 2036
[10:17] <mrh> as I was saying
[10:17] <mrh> some extensions quit working
[10:17] <mrh> so I tried several actions
[10:17] <mrh> I removed several
[10:17] <User715> Tried to install mp3 support. It said to use the synaptic manager. I tried to add is there. still didn't work.
[10:17] <User715> This is just mp3 support too
[10:17] <Usiu> Hi what is the current Ubuntu 7.10 xorg intel driver and xorg-core version ?
[10:17] <Juhaz> mikebeecham, gtk is a gui toolkit. it has bunch of ready widgets like buttons, textfields, etc. you can use to build an application
[10:18] <mrh> and then
[10:18] <Mortice> User715: what package did you install, and what program are you using to try to play mp3s?
[10:18] <Usiu> LoL
[10:18] <mrh> and now firefox does not launch
[10:18] <mikebeecham> juhaz thanks for that explanation...it all helps a noob with his understanding :D
[10:18] <User715> Is there a known problem with ubuntu and geforce2 mx?
[10:18] <mrh> I tried removing it through synaptic
[10:18] <JPSman> !xinerama
[10:18] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:18] <User715> Because I've never been able to get it setup for even 2d graphics.
[10:18] <mrh> no go
[10:19] <mosibfu> User715: not an issue as far as i know, but you will need the nvidia-glx-legacy driver
[10:19] <mrh> I tried removing it completely and uninstalling
[10:19] <Mark761966> Is there a good reason I can't use GParted to partition my hard drive?
[10:19] <cyberick> bazhang, Thanks for the links, I'll advice you if anything worked!
[10:19] <JPSman> nope dont understand :OD
[10:19] <Juhaz> so gtk theme will affect the look of any application that was built on gtk, that includes all gnome apps and many others.
[10:19] <Usiu> User715, Should work
[10:19] <mrh> no go
[10:19] <mrh> after I installed again
[10:19] <mrh> that is
[10:19] <mrh> same thing
[10:19] <Usiu> Mark761966, yes
[10:19] <V1k1ng> !codec
[10:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:19] <Usiu> Mark761966, monted partition
[10:20] <mikebeecham> ok Juhaz...so does that mean that any theme I see as metacity will not work, because Ubuntu runs the gnome desktop?
[10:20] <mrh> This is very frustrating
[10:20] <Mark761966> But if I unmount it, won't my computer crash?
[10:20] <Cryx> Hey! I have a problem, i need to make script that checks if some daemon is up, and if it isnt it starts it up... The hard part of this is that the daemon itselfs prompts for password and username, i would have to make script to tell them for daemon.. is this even possible?
[10:20] <Maledictus> How do I disable wifi even after reboot?
[10:20] <mrh> I mean, this kind of stuff
[10:20] <mrh> is no better than windows
[10:20] <mrh> no better
[10:20] <mosibfu> mrh: have you ever find this kind of support for windows?
[10:20] <mrh> very dissappointed
[10:20] <V1k1ng> User715,   you can go into applications --> add/remove (set for all) -->  search for "restricted formats"
[10:21] <JPSman> would I select x86 for a display driver on nvidia.com ?
[10:21] <JPSman> or ia32?
[10:21] <Usiu> Mark761966, Use LiveCD, Install CD
[10:21] <V1k1ng> User715,   if you download that package you'll have mp3 support
[10:21] <mrh> mosibfu: I have never needed it bro
[10:21] <Juhaz> mikebeecham, they can both work, but will change different things. gtk theme will change the looks of all those buttons, etc. metacity themes basically specify how the window borders and titlebars look
[10:21] <Usiu> Mark761966, Why would you like to do that ?
[10:21] <mikebeecham> mrh....you have to understand that this is not 'out of the box', and also bear in mind that the very reason Microsoft bring out service packs is because it starts with issues similiar to yours
[10:21] <Usiu> Hi what is the current Ubuntu 7.10 xorg intel driver and xorg-core version ?
[10:21] <mosibfu> mrh: just because you are used to it mate, once you are used, you will need support at windows
[10:21] <mikebeecham> Juhaz: ....ahhhh
[10:21] <Usiu> Any Ubuntu users here ?
[10:21] <Usiu> What is the current Ubuntu 7.10 xorg intel driver and xorg-core version ?
[10:21] <mosibfu> Usiu: lol
[10:21] <Tigraine> yes
[10:21] <V1k1ng> when i installed 64 bit, ubuntu looked nicer  :(
[10:21] <mrh> mikebeecham
[10:22] <mikebeecham> mrh
[10:22] <mikebeecham> you next
[10:22] <bullgard4> [GNOME] What is meant by 'Default Mixer Tracks' in (Gnome main menu) System > Preferences  >  Sound > General > 'Default Mixer Tracks'?
[10:22] <mrh> I figured out how to make windows work on my own
[10:22] <mrh> yes its crappy
[10:22] <Mark761966> I thought it'd be nice to have a place to back up data to on the hard drive where it'd be safe if Ubuntu ever goes kaput
[10:22] <mrh> yes it sucks
[10:22] <abcent> lol
[10:22] <mrh> however
[10:22] <abcent> lol
[10:22] <V1k1ng> !mixer
[10:22] <mikebeecham> good man...give it a couple of months and you'll figure out linux as well...then you can multitask :D
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mixer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <Mortice> !enter | mrh
[10:22] <ubotu> mrh: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[10:22] <HoudiniMan> Hi, I need help with manual partitioning - I got as far as shrinking my windows partition to make some space, got 50GB - now how do i create a new partition
[10:22] <mosibfu> bullgard4: it is the standart mixer stuff that ubuntu chose for you
[10:22] <mrh> I expected much more from GNU/Linux and Ubuntu
[10:22] <mikebeecham> also bear in mind that SLAP ON THE FRONT of the ubuntu website is an explanation that linux is not for the fainthearted!!!
[10:23] <mosibfu> mrh: if you are here to bash ubuntu, you might aswell leave...
[10:23] <mrh> Now I am considering FreeBSD
[10:23] <mikebeecham> mrh
[10:23] <mrh> dude not EVEN
[10:23] <HoudiniMan> Mrh, it's open source, go fix it
[10:23] <mrh> Not here to bash
[10:23] <mikebeecham> no disrespect, but you can always go back to windows if you're not happy?
[10:23] <mrh> Right Houdini
[10:23] <mosibfu> go mike go mike
[10:23] <bullgard4> mosibfu: Can you explain what do mean by 'stuff'?
[10:23] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, With Install LiveCD there are a coulple of programs that can do that cfdisk, parted ?
[10:23] <mikebeecham> this room is full of people who want to figure it out...it's all a journey mate
[10:23] <mrh> Nah, not going back to windows
[10:23] <mrh> however
[10:23] <mikebeecham> ubuntu is not a finished product...hence open source
[10:23] <HoudiniMan> Usiu, I made 50GB free space and now I'm using the Graphical Installer partitioner
[10:24] <mrh> I really did not think I would come across something like this on Ubuntu
[10:24] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   i usually use gparted on a live cd to set up my partitions
[10:24] <Myrtti> !patience
[10:24] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:24] <mikebeecham> like what?  what is the issue mrh?
[10:24] <mosibfu> bullgard4: ubuntu automaticly chose your audio device etcetera.. stuff is= line-out line-in mic and so on
[10:24] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   it works much faster/better
[10:24] <HoudiniMan> Need to get a rundown on 1) what is "use as" and 2) should i make a swap on another drive?
[10:24] <abcent> BSD sill needs windows
[10:24] <mikebeecham> and you're making it sound like you ubuntu has just slashed a town full of people?
[10:24] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, good then make / for reiserfs or ext3 and swap 2x your ram
[10:24] <abcent> BSD still needs windows
[10:24] <mikebeecham> what is the issue?
[10:24] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, and go ahead
[10:24] <mrh> the issue is that the kind of problem I am experiencing, is something I would expect from windows
[10:24] <gordonjcp> abcent: eh?
[10:24] <bullgard4> mosibfu: I see.
[10:24] <Kalamansi> mosibfu send me a copy of ubuntu server 7.10 and desktop dude...hehe
[10:24] <Mortice> mrh: you would get exactly the same behaviour on windows. you installed some faulty extensions which live in your own firefox configuration directory. That means that uninstalling firefox won't get rid of them, regardless of platform
[10:24] <HoudiniMan> make "/"? for "reiserfs?" ?
[10:25] <Mark761966> What issue is that mrh?
[10:25] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   make a swap at the end to disk that is 2x the size of your RAM
[10:25] <mikebeecham> mrh...stop talking in riddles
[10:25] <mikebeecham> WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
[10:25] <Myrtti> mikebeecham, mrh: have you read the topic? concentrate on the real issues, the problems and how to solve them here, and keep the bashing to someplace else
[10:25] <gordonjcp> mrh: what exactly is the problem?
[10:25] <Mortice> mrh: you need to remove your .firefox directory from your home directory, then apt-get --purge remove firefox, and then reinstall it
[10:25] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: how can i send it lol :) its faster to download from ubuntu.com and burn it yourself
[10:25] <HoudiniMan> Okay, swap 2x RAM at end of disk - ideally a separate HDD? or same?
[10:25] <mikebeecham> Myrett...I'm trying to understand the issue
[10:25] <mrh> not even bashing
[10:25] <abcent> BSD needs a platform to install from?
[10:25] <gordonjcp> abcent: uhm, what?
[10:25] <Mark761966> Damn. Now I know why I use Epiphany
[10:25] <Kalamansi> any rich people here?please send me a copy of ubuntu server edition 7.10 and desktop
[10:25] <mrh> Mortice: thanks
[10:25] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, Cretae new partition with filesystem reiserfs or ext3 (in contrast to fat23 or ntfs) and mount point should be set to /
[10:26] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: same disk, and max 2 gB swap..
[10:26] <Mortice> abcent: like a computer capable of booting from removable media? :P
[10:26] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   ideally the same, at the end of your linux partition
[10:26] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, then make second partition for spawping
[10:26] <Kalamansi> mosibfu for you but i have slow connection man
[10:26] <HoudiniMan> reiserfs vs ext3 - go!
[10:26] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, its adviced to make it 2x your ram
[10:26] <abcent> well last time i tried BSD it did! 8 years back ;(
[10:26] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   then your linux partition should be ext 3 as they're saying
[10:26] <Mark761966> Don't forget to sudo before you apt-get mrh
[10:26] <HoudiniMan> I have 4GB ram - so 2GB or 8GB swap?
[10:26] <mrh> Ok
[10:26] <gordonjcp> abcent: that's funny, I've been using BSD for over a decade and I've never needed Windows
[10:26] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: yes but sending it from holland will take some time i think you will have it downloaded befor the cd is in :) you can always order cd's
[10:26] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   lol, 8gb swap
[10:26] <V1k1ng> huge
[10:27] <artb1sh> ubuntu ubuntu
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> *shrug*
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> 4GB ram x 2 :P
[10:27] <frojnd> Guys, I have a huge problem. When I type in my login name and password gutsy needs about 3-5min to work properly, screen loads itself for 4min.... where is the hatch???  noone here from all users on this chan hasn't that problem or similar problem like me?
[10:27] <Kalamansi> mosibfu so your from holland dude?
[10:27] <Mark761966> I just remembered you can use sudo to open restricted files :)
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> What's the point of diminishing returns for swap? 2GB?
[10:27] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: swap isnt supported more then 2 gB, so you will need 4 swap partitions if you want that much
[10:27] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   that is a bunch of ram!
[10:27] <artb1sh> сноси всё нах
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> ohhh hahaha
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> i c, thanks mos
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> RAM is cheap viking!
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> lol
[10:27] <Mortice> frojnd: have you enabled desktop effects? I find that they make the load time longer, especially on older hardware.
[10:27] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: yes i am :D
[10:27] <gordonjcp> dude, if you have 8G of RAM, you don't need swap
[10:27] <abcent> it required min win95 from memory.... was the download install wrong?
[10:27] <V1k1ng> mosibfu,   lol!
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> 4GB ram
[10:27] <HoudiniMan> :P
[10:28] <HoudiniMan> so is reiserfs better than ext3?
[10:28] <mrh> Is there a way to repair Firefox instead of reinstalling?
[10:28] <gordonjcp> abcent: why would it need Win 95?
[10:28] <artb1sh> 6GB ram
[10:28] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, 2Gb you have a lot of ram.. I dont think you will even swap something
[10:28] <Mortice> !better | HoudiniMan
[10:28] <Mortice> erm, maybe it's !best
[10:28] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, but its better to make it
[10:28] <Mortice> !best | HoudiniMan
[10:28] <abcent> to run from :(
[10:28] <HoudiniMan> usiu - k
[10:28] <artb1sh> kill ram
[10:28] <ubotu> HoudiniMan: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[10:28] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, for example if you plan to hibernate
[10:28] <mosibfu> !doesnt | Mortice
[10:28] <HoudiniMan> Mort- im not a programmer :(
[10:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesnt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:28] <abcent> i don't know
[10:28] <Kalamansi> mosibfu dude do you know some software that could resume your download?just like download manager of windows?
[10:29] <HoudiniMan> I'm going to be using this as my main partition on a desktop system that stays on all the time
[10:29] <gordonjcp> abcent: er, no
[10:29] <HoudiniMan> I want it to be high performance as possible
[10:29] <Kalamansi> mosibfu  when i download ubuntu 7.10 its alwas corrupt.
[10:29] <HoudiniMan> Would that lend itself to reiserfs or ext3 in any way?
[10:29] <Mark761966> Can't mrh remove Firefox with Synaptic?
[10:29] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, I would chose reiserfs as its faster for small files
[10:29] <gordonjcp> abcent: the various BSDs are operating systems, they don't "run from Windows"
[10:29] <abcent> lol thanks for telling me now :)
[10:29] <V1k1ng> Kalamansi,   try downloading it via bittorrent
[10:29] <mosibfu> Kalamansi: i dont know, but i believe there are torrents of ubuntu
[10:29] <HoudiniMan> reiserfs it is :)
[10:29] <Mortice> HoudiniMan: not to spread FUD, but I've had serious problems with reiser and corruption. Also, you'll probably find more support for ext3 from ubuntu people.
[10:29] <mrh> Mark
[10:29] <mrh> I tried that
[10:29] <Mark761966> Ah
[10:29] <HoudiniMan> support is important to me
[10:30] <HoudiniMan> is support more widespread for ext3?
[10:30] <Mortice> HoudiniMan: but then, reiser would probably perform slightly better. It's all a tradeoff.
[10:30] <V1k1ng> ext3!!!
[10:30] <ere4si> reiserfs fragments lots
[10:30] <Kalamansi> V1k1ng how to install bittorent in ubuntu?
[10:30] <mrh> and it was supposedly removed, and when I reinstalled, it was as if I had never removed it
[10:30] <HoudiniMan> I'd like to go with the flow and tweak later
[10:30] <Mark761966> Did you remove all. mrh?
[10:30] <HoudiniMan> So I'm guessing ext3?
[10:30] <gordonjcp> ere4si: that's sort of the point
[10:30] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, yes ext3 for begginers
[10:30] <Mortice> HoudiniMan: ext3 is pretty solid
[10:30] <Myrtti> Kalamansi: you've already got it installed
[10:30] <HoudiniMan> Excellent, moving forward!
[10:31] <mrh> Mark76196: yes, I checked all the relevant packages after searching through synaptic
[10:31] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, and ext3 is much more tested
[10:31] <buttercups> mrh, just delete your .mozilla folder in your home directory, back up first what you need
[10:31] <V1k1ng> Kalamansi,  you should have a basic bittorrent client installed, but you can download azureus via synaptic if you want something fancy
[10:31] <HoudiniMan> Mount point \ Use as ext3 Primary localtion Begining
[10:31] <HoudiniMan> y/n?
[10:31] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, yes
[10:31] <mosibfu> NOO
[10:31] <V1k1ng> let her rip
[10:31] <V1k1ng> !
[10:31] <Kalamansi> Myrtti ktorrent?
[10:31] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: it is /   and not \
[10:31] <HoudiniMan> lol
[10:31] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, its /
[10:31] <HoudiniMan> thanks
[10:31] <Mark761966> No, I mean did you use the "Mark for complete removal" option? mrh
[10:32] <V1k1ng> Kalamansi,   should just be "bittorrent"
[10:32] <mrh> Mark: yes I did
[10:32] <Mark761966> Okay
[10:32] <HoudiniMan> im confused on the begining/end thing - i shrank a 320GB NTFS partition
[10:32] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, Directory structure is /path/dir/home/ not like in windows c:\windows\
[10:32] <HoudiniMan> not sure if the space is in the begining or end
[10:32] <V1k1ng> Kalamansi,   unless you're in kubuntu???
[10:32] <mrh> and everything supposedly went well, removed
[10:32] <Mark761966> Would aptitude remove work?
[10:32] <Kalamansi> V1k1ng there is no bittorrent here.just ktorrent.im using ubuntu 7.04
[10:33] <mrh> Mark: not familiar with aptitude
[10:33] <V1k1ng> Kalamansi,   go to synaptic and get azureus, works way better
[10:33] <John_5> Mrh: If you're going to try BSD try the distribution PC-BSD
[10:33] <Mark761966> It's a teerminal command mrh
[10:33] <gordonjcp> mrh: what exactly is the problem?
[10:33] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: it will always come at beginning/end of free space, so it doesnt matter that much, i figure you will fill it out totally at the end
[10:33] <Usiu> Kalamansi, check for torrent you wil find many torrent client programs
[10:33] <mrh> ok
[10:33] <Mark761966> sudo aptitude remove "program name" mrh
[10:33] <mrh> I figured going with the instructions would have solved
[10:33] <Usiu> Kalamansi, and chose the one you like, I suggest azureus
[10:33] <John_5> mrh: Nevermind what I said before I was reading something from 10 minutes ago
[10:33] <John_5> hehe
[10:34] <Mark761966> No quotes around the program name, mrh
[10:34] <HoudiniMan> so i made 50GB, should i make a 48GB ext3 and a 2GB swap parition?
[10:34] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, yes
[10:34] <HoudiniMan> ok
[10:34] <mikebeecham> : juhaz that being the case...where would I place metacity files?  Is there a specific place to put them?
[10:34] <mrh> John: I am considering desktopBSD
[10:34] <Mark761966> Try it
[10:34] <Mark761966> sudo aptitude remove firefox
[10:34] <mrh> ok
[10:34] <Usiu> mrh, men first learn GNU/Linux then switch to Unix :|
[10:35] <V1k1ng> what does bsd compare to in terms of user friendliness?
[10:35] <Mark761966> And if it's not remove it'll be uninstall
[10:35] <Usiu> V1k1ng, its not user friendly
[10:35] <lxuser_> hi
[10:35] <Usiu> V1k1ng, for begginers
[10:35] <abcent> Houdini you chose manual yes?
[10:35] <chandu_> Hi
[10:35] <lxuser_> I am new here
[10:35] <mrh> You know, I am not so much concerned with user friendliness - more like stability
[10:35] <buttercups> mrh, Synaptic will not remove your .mozilla folder, you have been told twice to delete it already
[10:35] <chandu_> On my dell optiplex 755 machine, I am not able to boot
[10:35] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, Right.
[10:35] <chandu_> Its giving CARDMGR[1904] error
[10:35] <mrh> right
[10:35] <John_5> BSD is rock solid
[10:35] <b1n42y> !mutlimedia
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mutlimedia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <HoudiniMan> for swap: primary, end, swap y/n?
[10:35] <mrh> Jahn
[10:35] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, Did you choose manual partitioning ?
[10:36] <Mark761966> IS your Mozilla folder in your home directory?
[10:36] <b1n42y> !multimedia
[10:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[10:36] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, or whole disc ?
[10:36] <HoudiniMan> Usiu, manual
[10:36] <lxuser_> can any one tell me if I can install Netbeans on Ubuntu
[10:36] <chandu_>  there are no card managers
[10:36] <Juhaz> mikebeecham, both should go in ~/.themes, usually you can also just drag the tarballs into the "appearance" preferences app, or use the install button in there.
[10:36] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, ok
[10:36] <Mark761966> Do you have view hidden files enabled?
[10:36] <chandu_> no card slots installed or configured
[10:36] <mrh> John, sorry, that is what I need - stability
[10:36] <HoudiniMan> for swap: primary, end, swap y/n?
[10:36] <chandu_>  please anyone give me some suggesstion, as it is hanging after that error, I am not able to go thru the logs
[10:36] <chandu_>  What may be the problem
[10:36] <mrh> Mark: No I don't
[10:36] <lxuser_> hello
[10:36] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: that will do ye
[10:36] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, I wouldnt make primary for swap
[10:36] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, but it will do
[10:36] <Mark761966> Then that's the first thing you need to do, mrh
[10:36] <HoudiniMan> logical better?
[10:36] <Kalamansi> V1k1ng : which one here?azureus or azureus-gcj?
[10:37] <Mark761966> Open Nautilus and go to the view menu and enable view hidden files
[10:37] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, ok nevermind:) its ok
[10:37] <mrh> ok
[10:37] <b1n42y> !codecs
[10:37] <V1k1ng> Kalamansi,   azureus!
[10:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:37] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: logical is not needed unless you want more then 4 partition
[10:37] <Mark761966> Now, you should be able to see your Mozilla folder
[10:37] <UltraNav> guessnet doesn't work for me at all: no output for any interface ... output from 'guessnet -vi [interface]' ends with 'none' - any suggestions ?
[10:37] <HoudiniMan> im confused on primary vs logical
[10:37] <eldenz> how much space does a common desktop system about use? with openoffice, gimp, eclipse etc installed... 10G?
[10:37] <HoudiniMan> i thought they were the same thing
[10:38] <mrh> Mike: I do
[10:38] <Kalamansi> V1k1ng  its great.thanks =)
[10:38] <John_5> Can anyone help me with this? My internet speed is 3x slower on Ubuntu than windows. I have disabled IPv6 and increased my window size in sysctl. Any suggestions?
[10:38] <V1k1ng> :D
[10:38] <Usiu> HoudiniMan, You can have only 4 primary I guess
[10:38] <abcent> Houdini... follow this TO THE LETTER .... http://apcmag.com.au/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first
[10:38] <Mark761966> You can see the Mozilla folder now, mrh?
[10:38] <mrh> Mark: yes
[10:38] <Mark761966> Excelent
[10:38] <Mark761966> I ahve no idea what you shoudl do next
[10:38] <V1k1ng> John_5,   maybe your vid card drivers aren't installed?
[10:38] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: you can have 4 primairy partitions max, or 3 primairy and 1 logical, the logical can contain 2 or more partitions on its own
[10:39] <Mortice> John_5: hmm, that sounds like an interesting one. are you connecting wirelessly?
[10:39] <HoudiniMan> abcent, that glazes over manual paritioning
[10:39] <Mark761966> Somebody tell mrh what to do now he can view his Mozilla folder
[10:39] <John_5> I am connecting through a wired network
[10:39] <mosibfu> omg lucky13
[10:39] <lucky13> mosibfu, what?
[10:39] <HoudiniMan> so for swap - primary or logical?
[10:39] <mosibfu> lucky13: that is the nickname i use in games
[10:39] <Kalamansi> anybody here whos millionare?can you please send me ubuntu 7.10 server edition please and desktop 7.10 edition please?the shipit ubuntu is too slow...i really need ubuntu server edition badly huhuhu..who's near with my place??philippines?
[10:39] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: Primairy is best ;)
[10:39] <John_5> it is set to static IP address
[10:40] <abcent> yes, but it configures the partitions properly
[10:40] <Mortice> John_5: hmm. It could be an MTU issue or something, but I doubt it'd have that much effect. Sorry, maybe someone else will know.
[10:40] <lucky13> mosibfu, good tast mane
[10:40] <lucky13> man
[10:40] <mrh> See, that is the thing: one would think that following the instructions in the system, things would work.
[10:40] <V1k1ng> John_5,   sorry i misread your first post....but that is weird on a wired network
[10:40] <b1n42y> how do i fix this >  No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported.
[10:40] <b1n42y> http://mp3-vr-128.smgradio.com:80/
[10:40] <mosibfu> lucky13: feels like talking to myself.. very confusing (www.bananaskills.nl if i made you curious)
[10:40] <John_5> No probs
[10:40] <mrh> I went to add/remove
[10:40] <HoudiniMan> does anybody else recommend i backtrack and just let it "guided largest space"?
[10:40] <mrh> it said no, go to synaptic
[10:40] <John_5> I'll go read up on MTU
[10:40] <mrh> I go to synaptic
[10:40] <Mark761966> I want you to try something for me mrh. Make a copy of the Mozilla for me and then delete the original
[10:41] <abcent> all newly partitions are logical
[10:41] <Mark761966> Mozilla folder
[10:41] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: nahh i think you are pretty much sorted now :)
[10:41] <HoudiniMan> k
[10:41] <mrh> Mark: ok man
[10:41] <V1k1ng> John_5,   I would have no idea what would cause that, usually linux runs well on wired connections
[10:41] <Mark761966> Did it let you delete it?
[10:41] <buttercups> mrh, 3rd time, delete the .mozilla folder, restart firefox and it will be recreated
[10:41] <HoudiniMan> sp primary 48GB ext3 mounted to / and 2GB primary swap at end
[10:41] <HoudiniMan> y/n?
[10:41] <razer> Hi, I want mp3 support for ubuntu gutsy gibbon with one click installation.
[10:41] <John_5> I know, maybe it's got something to do with my router.
[10:41] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   sounds good
[10:42] <abcent> use the guided largest space ... i've just installed Ubuntu today ... no problems at all
[10:42] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: yes, press next, hang tite for about 25/30 mins and your done :P
[10:42] <mrh> buttercups: that is not what you said earlier
[10:42] <razer> or 4 clicks or whatever..
[10:42] <John_5> but first I should try installing another distribution and try it out
[10:42] <buttercups> mrh, scroll up
[10:42] <Mark761966> Were you able to delete the Mozilla folder, mrh?
[10:42] <John_5> which distribution has the best netcode?
[10:42] <DirtyDawg> abcent i did a dual boot last night with whole disk guided on a 40gb and it went smooth
[10:42] <V1k1ng> John_5,   how did it work with the livecd??
[10:42] <HoudiniMan> Me and Klotski are chillin
[10:42] <abcent> I also hit the same question your asking ... my version is 7.10
[10:43] <mrh> The posts are scrolling too fast dammit
[10:43] <HoudiniMan> formatting...
[10:43] <John_5> Good idea V1k1ng
[10:43] <HoudiniMan> I think I played Klotski when I installed 6.x too
[10:43] <V1k1ng> John_5,   all the same in my opinion, that's why your problem is so weird
[10:43] <razer> I just installed ubuntu and there is no mp3 support and add/remove won't add it.
[10:43] <John_5> same netcode eh?
[10:43] <elrics_fate> razer
[10:43] <V1k1ng> razer:  yes it will!
[10:43] <Lifeisfunny> b1n42y, I get it to play in Rythymbox
[10:43] <bryan553> hello, i would like to know if ubuntu keep some terminal log file ?
[10:43] <elrics_fate> i suggest u get xmms
[10:44] <abcent> DirtyDawg: works a treat huh
[10:44] <elrics_fate> razer just get xmms
[10:44] <Mark761966> razer, google medibuntu
[10:44] <DirtyDawg> indeed, no probs at all mate
[10:44] <mosibfu> razer, click on applications => add/remove  and search for restricted   the ubuntu restricted extra's will install mp3 support and so on
[10:44] <mrh> "Invalid URI . . . " while copying
[10:44] <HoudiniMan> what is that "restricted" business about/
[10:44] <V1k1ng> razer:  just go to add/remove...enable all packages...and search for restricted drivers package
[10:45] <alch3mist> joystick calibration in ubuntu how to?
[10:45] <elrics_fate> #nicksetup
[10:45] <mosibfu> HoudiniMan: some codecs and so, have legal rights to them and are not open source, so not standard included in ubuntu :)
[10:45] <V1k1ng> HoudiniMan,   you gotta download codecs that can't be included on ubuntu
[10:45] <V1k1ng> what he said!
[10:45] <elrics_fate> yeh
[10:45] <Mark761966> Yo mrh, I opened up a provate chat
[10:45] <elrics_fate> there right mate
[10:45] <Mark761966> private
[10:45] <HoudiniMan> ahhh, so "restricted" = not same license
[10:46] <HoudiniMan> gotcha
[10:46] <John_5> I might try Debian, can it and Ubuntu share the same /home/ partition?
[10:46] <b1n42y> !demux
[10:46] <DirtyDawg> i installed debian before ubuntu, didnt like it so put in ubuntu
[10:46] <V1k1ng> I don't think so
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about demux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <elrics_fate> u do know Ubuntu is base on debian rite
[10:46] <HoudiniMan> im gonna hit the shower, thanks for the help all
[10:46] <John_5> !debian
[10:46] <mrh> Mark: ok
[10:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[10:47] <abcent> Got to love Linux .... best d/l speed under vista was 1.2mb/s .... ubuntu was 1.8mb/s :)
[10:47] <John_5> Abcent is lucky
[10:47] <V1k1ng> john_5,  try something a little faster like zenwalk
[10:47] <elrics_fate> i love linux to trying to get all my friends to switch over
[10:47] <gordonjcp> elrics_fate: hm
[10:47] <John_5> best speed under XP was 1.8 mb/s Ubuntu 300kbs
[10:47] <gordonjcp> elrics_fate: read much Michael Moorcock?
[10:47] <V1k1ng> John_5,   or pclinuxos or mepis
[10:48] <timothe> howdy, kids
[10:48] <abcent> John... huh?
[10:48] <Javid> are there any decent onscreen keyboards? all the ones I found suck peenor
[10:48] <V1k1ng> John_5,   it might be that ubuntu installed a crummy driver for your ethernet card
[10:48] <John_5> Ah
[10:48] <John_5> I'll check my ethernet card now
[10:48] <abcent> IPv6
[10:48] <John_5> I disabled IPv6
[10:49] <abcent> aha
[10:49] <Mortice> it sounds like a driver issue to me
[10:49] <abcent> enable
[10:49] <V1k1ng> my wirless sucks, what do i know?
[10:49] <Mark761966> mrh are you seeing another chat tab?
[10:49] <Mortice> i know that some of the wireless drivers are only able to make connections at 11Mbps, which is why I asked if it was a wireless card
[10:49] <Mortice> I can imagine similar issues with wired NICs.
[10:49] <mrh> Mark: no
[10:49] <V1k1ng> :D
[10:49] <Mark761966> Damn
[10:50] <buttercups> !tell mrh about register
[10:50] <Javid> how do I get ubuntu to recognize my wireless adapter and install the drivers for it? it did this automatically for my external card but the internal one won't
[10:50] <Mark761966> Okay. Did you delete the Mozilla folder, mrh?
[10:50] <mosibfu> !register | mhr
[10:50] <ubotu> mhr: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[10:50] <mrh> Mark, yes I did.
[10:50] <b1n42y> amarok is asking for demux plugin...help i need radio
[10:50] <mrh> and I restarted firefox
[10:50] <mosibfu> buttercups: see how it works? :P
[10:50] <Mark761966> Excellent. I was afraid it wouldn't let you
[10:50] <TAB-2112> Quick newbie-ish question. If I've installed the 32-bit version of ubuntu, but want the 64-bit version, are there any shortcuts to the re-install? I've finally got things the way I like and am not looking forward to re-work. I have both the relevant liveCDs
[10:50] <bazhang> Javid: what is the card?
[10:50] <mrh> and it began working
[10:50] <mrh> wow
[10:50] <zemonstas> hey all, my usb audio soundcard isn't being recognized by alsa - how do i set it up with modprobe?
[10:51] <Lifeisfunny> b1n42y, I get it to play in Rythymbox
[10:51] <buttercups> mosibfu, it works how i did it to ;)
[10:51] <mrh> Thanks Mark
[10:51] <Mark761966> What did I do?
[10:51] <mrh> Give me instructions
[10:51] <Javid> bazhang,  Intersil Corporation prism 2.5 Wavelan Chipset (rev 01)
[10:51] <V1k1ng> tab:  no, and frankly things aren't working so hot with the 64 bit version
[10:51] <Mark761966> And they worked?
[10:51] <mrh> and not get in my face and make fun like everyone else
[10:51] <V1k1ng> TAB-2112,   no, and frankly things aren't working so hot with the 64 bit version
[10:51] <Mark761966> =-O
[10:51] <mrh> Yes they did
[10:51] <b1n42y> Lifeisfunny: thanks i dont have time pi** fa** AROUND ATM SO oops ill do dat
[10:51] <bazhang> Javid: comfy with the command line?
[10:52] <mrh> I resent people getting in my face like that though, making fun
[10:52] <Mark761966> Okay. Do yourself a favour and empty the trash
[10:52] <Javid> bazhang, yes, if you know how to do this <3
[10:52] <mrh> ok
[10:52] <Javid> bazhang, lemme boot the thing up, I'm not on it
[10:52] <V1k1ng> does anyone else think linux mint is kind of crappy or just me?
[10:52] <bazhang> Javid: just checking..heh..we'll see about know how it to do it though :}
[10:52] <mrh> Anyway
[10:52] <abcent> TAB i pondered the same .... gave in to 32bit
[10:52] <TAB-2112> V1k1ng: I'm hearing that a bit. Is it anything significant to a low-level user (web, email, office packages, and some simple web-design stuff)?
[10:52] <mrh> Thanks everyone
[10:52] <Mark761966> So, no one even thought to make sure you had show hidden files enabled, mrh?
[10:53] <John_5> My motherboard is an NVidia chipset, so therefore an NVidia network card
[10:53] <mrh> Mark: no
[10:53] <bazhang> Javid: in the terminal what does ifconfig say--eth0 eth1, lo etc
[10:53] <Javid> one second
[10:53] <frojnd> where can I see log file from ubuntu reboot ??
[10:53] <V1k1ng> TAB-2112,   yeah, there is no flash plugin for webbrowsing!
[10:53] <mrh> Like I said before
[10:53] <Mark761966> Tsk tsk. Slackers
[10:53] <bazhang> Javid: no need to paste, just tell me
[10:53] <gordonjcp> V1k1ng: *all* operating systems are crappy, except VMS
[10:53] <Javid> bazhang, booting still
[10:53] <V1k1ng> gordonjcp,   LOL
[10:53] <abcent> TAB i've a serious high-end PC ... 32bit if great
[10:54] <mrh> I think I will try FreeBSD sometime in the near future, I like it when things work as they are supposed to, with very little surprises
[10:54] <mosibfu> gordonjcp: operating a computer without an operationg system, now that is crappy, so love ubuntu!! love it!! i tell u!
[10:54] <gordonjcp> mrh: lol, and you're trying FreeBSD?
[10:54] <mrh> and things are well documented
[10:54] <gordonjcp> mrh: good luck with that
[10:54] <gordonjcp> mosibfu: nah
[10:54] <Mark761966> I know this isn't strictly Ubuntu or Linux related, but does anyone know a good source of Pidgin smileys for Windows?
[10:54] <computer_Newbee> is mac os x any good compared to ubuntu?
[10:54] <Mark761966> I have a friend, see
[10:55] <mrh> gordon, I was reading the documentation just the other night, out of curiosity
[10:55] <gordonjcp> mosibfu: it's *easy*, assuming you've got either a proper front panel or a debugger
[10:55] <V1k1ng> TAB-2112,   I used to run 64 bit and mostly liked it but it's just not ready for prime time, especially if you're doing web dev
[10:55] <mrh> and I was pretty impressed
[10:55] <computer_Newbee> is mac open source?
[10:55] <Mark761966> No
[10:55] <John_5> nope
[10:55] <John_5> Darwin is though
[10:55] <computer_Newbee> oh
[10:55] <computer_Newbee> mac darwin?
[10:55] <John_5> yeah
[10:55] <computer_Newbee> i see
[10:55] <computer_Newbee> i will google
[10:55] <bazhang> is this #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:56] <computer_Newbee> thnx
[10:56] <abcent> I'm told you can d/l mac 10x and install on pc
[10:56] <frojnd> where can I see log file from ubuntu reboot ? because I get some note that network sensors fail ?? so what's the name of that kinda log, when ubuntu is starting before it gets to login screen ??
[10:56] <computer_Newbee> is darwin the only open source mac?
[10:56] <Mark761966> Pidgin. Smileys. Windows... Anyone?
[10:56] <V1k1ng> they've been figuring out how to install macOS on pc since they switched to intel
[10:56] <bazhang> !ot computer_Newbee
[10:56] <nalpha> guys from command prompt how to know the current DDR Ram Speed? PC2100/ PC2700 ??
[10:56] <V1k1ng> i think it's illegal tho
[10:56] <b1n42y> frojnd: i think its under one of those ttys....try alt + f1 f2 etc
[10:57] <b1n42y> f7 gets u back to X
[10:57] <abcent> it is viking
[10:57] <TAB-2112> V1k1ng: I'm not a huge flash user, but I imagine it'll dampen my time-wasting experience.  I guess I'll stick with 32-bit.
[10:57] <TAB-2112> thanks.
[10:57] <computer_Newbee> ?
[10:57] <mrh> So, thank you all, I am exhausted, I tried everything before coming here, and I am not used to IRC . . . this scrolls way too fast for me
[10:57] <mrh> going to sleep
[10:57] <Mark761966> Night mrh
[10:58] <b1n42y> TAB-2112: plus apparently wine doesnt work under 64 ..although ive had steam installed on it
[10:58] <mosibfu> mrh: good night mate :)
[10:58] <V1k1ng> TAB-2112,   if you got your system set up, just relax...it's easy to get caught up in the next best thing  (i'm sitting next to 20 distro cds)
[10:58] <Lifeisfunny> b1n42y, to get it to play in Rythymbox... open file in the menubar and in click on import file (of course this is done after having saved the link 'listen.m3u')  and it should appear in the library section under 'radio' inside the side pane on the left.
[10:58] <Mark761966> Hope things are better tomorrow
[10:58] <frojnd> b1n42y, u mean ctrl alt f2
[10:58] <mrh> Night Mark, and thanks
[10:58] <twocarlo> cya mrh
[10:58] <Mark761966> You're welcome
[10:58] <onats> anyone have any idea as to the command to use in order for me to determine the ports that are active?
[10:58] <abcent> mrh .... take breath of fresh air and come back
[10:58] <b1n42y> frojnd: ya
[10:58] <frojnd> b1n42y, no there is nothing
[10:58] <frojnd> b1n42y, just if I wanna login
[10:58] <Jordan_U__> Security update for mplayer-doc? How can there be a vulnerability in documentation?
[10:58] <b1n42y> uve gone thru f1 - f6
[10:58] <frojnd> from f1 to f6
[10:59] <Mortice> onats: netstat with your choice of options. I don't know it too well, but netstat --help should let you know what it can do.
[10:59] <frojnd> b1n42y, yes
[10:59] <John_5> I am using an nForce network card and it's incredibly slow, any tips?
[10:59] <b1n42y> i read theres a log file somewhere but i cant remeber
[10:59] <onats> mortice.. yeah am trying that now.. i forgot this other command... argh
[10:59] <mosibfu> Jordan_U__: if the doc explains something dangerous that would figure heh
[10:59] <Mark761966> Has Enlightenment become a proper Desktop Environment, people?
[10:59] <onats> what port does the package manager use?
[10:59] <fyrestrtr> Mark761966: was it improper before?
[11:00] <onats> what port does the distribution upgrade use? anyone?
[11:00] <Mortice> onats: what, for downloading packages?
[11:00] <mosibfu> Mark761966: imho it hasnt, ive tried it few weeks ago, and its basically thesame to 5 years back on red-hat
[11:00] <b1n42y> Lifeisfunny: thanks...i can figure that out..wanted to use amarok looks better and appears as if theres more functionality
[11:00] <Mark761966> It was downright obscene, fyrestrtr :p
[11:00] <Mark761966> :D
[11:00] <onats> mortice, yeah.. i'm upgrading my ubuntu to gutsy... but the connection is slow on my network.. i think i need to tweak my QoS
[11:00] <fyrestrtr> Mark761966: then not much has changed.
[11:00] <Lifeisfunny> b1n42y, alrighty, I understand
[11:00] <Mortice> onats: it downloads over port 80, since it's http
[11:00] <Mark761966> Hee hee
[11:00] <Mark761966> I like XFCE
[11:00] <fyrestrtr> Mark761966: it still causes one to say things best not said in polite company.
[11:00] <b1n42y> anyhow.....back to resume writing
[11:00] <mosibfu> Mark761966: but i can say, that female voice from enlightnment.. woah.. it pushes my buttons
[11:00] <Mark761966> It's a perfect fit with my system
[11:00] <onats> mortice, ok, somethings wrong with my QoS then
[11:01] <b1n42y> Lifeisfunny: :D
[11:01] <onats> thanks for the info
[11:01] <Jordan_U__> Mark761966, You might want to look at GOS
[11:01] <onats> mortice, are you on 7.10 already?
[11:01] <onats> i'm wondering if it has better hibernate and suspend support
[11:01] <Mark761966> The one that's in those WalMart PCs, Jordan?
[11:02] <Jordan_U__> Mark761966, Yes, not as much suggesting you use it but more just look at their enlightenment theme
[11:02] <b1n42y> I LOVE LINUX....winblows....pass it on
[11:02] <ere4si> computer_Newbee: yellow dog linux for the ppc mac
[11:02] <Mark761966> I'd like to, but I need to get a CD burner
[11:03] <onats> anyone here on gutsy and using a laptop?
[11:03] <bazhang> yes
[11:03] <Mark761966> Talking of gOS (small g people), does anyone know which docks work in the XFCE environment?
[11:03] <Jordan_U__> Mark761966, virtual box :)
[11:04] <jmazaredo> i get error on aptitude i used pgp keys but still having errors BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5
[11:04] <Mark761966> What's virtual box, Jordan?
[11:04] <Jordan_U__> Mark761966, Or just grab the theme from their repositories
[11:04] <Jordan_U__> Mark761966, A virtual machine, like VMware but open source
[11:04] <Mark761966> Can you give me a direct link Jordan?
[11:05] <computer_Newbee> thnx ere4si
[11:05] <Jordan_U__> !virtualbox | Mark761966
[11:05] <ubotu> Mark761966: VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[11:05] <HoudiniMan> good site for ubuntu themes?
[11:05] <HoudiniMan> or should i wait to mess with that?
[11:05] <Mark761966> No, I mean to gOS, Jordan
[11:05] <Jordan_U__> HoudiniMan, art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org
[11:06] <HoudiniMan> thanks :)
[11:06] <jmazaredo> anyone here having problem updating 7.10 on the net
[11:06] <Jordan_U__> HoudiniMan, You can also install the gnome-art package and preview and install themes / desktop backgrounds from there
[11:06] <computer_Newbee> is is Sun UltraSPARC based for mac pc?
[11:06] <computer_Newbee> i want ubuntu in my mac pc
[11:06] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, You mean your intel mac?
[11:07] <computer_Newbee> i dont know
[11:07] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, What model
[11:07] <Jordan_U__> ?
[11:07] <computer_Newbee> imac os x
[11:08] <HoudiniMan> how do i install a package jordan?
[11:08] <Jordan_U__> HoudiniMan, Applications -> Add / Remove
[11:08] <computer_Newbee> i want to replace mac os x with ubuntu
[11:08] <HoudiniMan> gracias
[11:08] <Mark761966> Why?
[11:08] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, Which version of the imac?
[11:08] <Mark761966> What's wrong with osx?
[11:08] <mizz> hi i have a usb drive with 2 partitions, one is ntfs the other is fat32, when I plug it in, i see both of them show up in the sidebar in nautilus but only the 2nd partition(fat32) shows up in the m,ain nautilus window, anyone have any idea how to fix
[11:08] <computer_Newbee> 10.4
[11:09] <computer_Newbee> wait let me make sure
[11:09] <twocarlo> you can try downloading the ubuntu version for apple systems computer_Newbee
[11:09] <computer_Newbee> brb
[11:09] <b1n42y> Lifeisfunny: you there
[11:09] <computer_Newbee> ok so i get Sun UltraSPARC based?
[11:09] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, No
[11:09] <bullgard4> What is the filename of the gnome-power-manager applet?
[11:09] <bullgard4> What is the filename of the gnome-power-manager applet?
[11:09] <computer_Newbee> then?
[11:09] <b1n42y> Lifeisfunny: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+question/6446     Works like a charm..give it a go
[11:10] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, You are either going to get the PPC version or the regular x86 version that PC's use
[11:10] <Nom-> I have a bizarre problem... I can't move any windows for some reason
[11:10] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, Depending on what model hardware you have
[11:10] <Nom-> I can resize them, close them, but just not drag them around :/
[11:10] <Mark761966> What don't you like about OS X, computer_Newbee?
[11:10] <computer_Newbee> jordan, what do u mean?
[11:10] <javid> grah. who was helping me with my wireless? x.x
[11:11] <computer_Newbee> mark, doesnt matter right now
[11:11] <Mark761966> Hey, can I use gDebi to install Virtual Box, JOrdan?
[11:11] <HoudiniMan> i installed the art gnome package but i can't find the program?
[11:11] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, Apple's older computers used PPC proccessors, the newer ones use intel x86 proccessors, just like all other PC's use
[11:11] <computer_Newbee> os x dont matter right now :)
[11:11] <Jordan_U__> Mark761966, Yes
[11:11] <Mark761966> Excelent
[11:11] <alch3mist> is this ubuntu  ? os x?
[11:11] <Mark761966> I love gDebi :)
[11:11] <Nom-> omg never mind... there's a plugin called "move window" that was turned off somehow
[11:12] <Nom-> How wierd
[11:12] <computer_Newbee> can i boot my usb ubuntu key?
[11:12] <computer_Newbee> based on i386
[11:12] <computer_Newbee> ?
[11:12] <alch3mist> ubuntu cola and debian fanta
[11:12] <Mark761966> There's a usb Ubuntu key?
[11:12]  * nanonyme grumbles that his ibook (ppc) still doesn't have working opengl or wifi
[11:12] <bazhang> computer_Newbee: sure
[11:12] <V1k1ng> you can install ubuntu into a usb stick, sure
[11:13] <computer_Newbee> how do i access the boot menu thingie for mac os x based pc?
[11:13] <HoudiniMan> found art manager :P
[11:13]  * Jordan_U__ thinks that nanonyme just needs to grab the firmware for his broadcom card
[11:13] <nanonyme> Jordan_U__, you mean bcm43xx? doesn't work for me
[11:13] <b1n42y> Mark761966: they mean USB key....
[11:13] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, Hold down option at boot
[11:13] <bazhang> computer_Newbee: check out pendrivelinux dot com
[11:13] <nanonyme> Jordan_U__, it grabs the firmware automatically
[11:13] <nanonyme> it's just broken :P
[11:14] <Jordan_U__> nanonyme, What version of Ubuntu?
[11:14] <nanonyme> 7.10
[11:14] <Mark761966> You need a key for USB? :/
[11:14] <Jordan_U__> nanonyme, Do you know the exact chipset?
[11:14] <nanonyme> Jordan_U__, scanning for wifi's works, joining wireless networks (with or without encryption) doens't
[11:14] <V1k1ng> i have mint 4.0 installed on my usb drive
[11:14] <nanonyme> doesn't even
[11:14] <nanonyme> Jordan_U__, bcm4318 iirc
[11:14] <nanonyme> i'm not at home atm so i can't check
[11:15] <bazhang> that card is well supported now afaik
[11:15] <Mark761966> :-/
[11:15] <Mark761966> :?
[11:15] <nanonyme> bazhang, well supported on x86 doesn't necessarily mean well supported on ppc :)
[11:15] <Mark761966> I can't find my confused face :(
[11:16] <bazhang> nanonyme: true--gutsy on ppc? or feisty
[11:16] <Jordan_U__> nanonyme, In this case it does, but 4318 isn't well supported on x86 either :)
[11:16] <nanonyme> bazhang, gutsy
[11:16] <javid> how can i rightclick with a one button mouse?
[11:16] <b1n42y> Mark761966: no its just a USB storage device the size of your finger
[11:17] <Jordan_U__> nanonyme, You should be able to connect though, have you tried connecting with iwconfig?
[11:17] <Mark761966> Ah right. The good old thumb drive
[11:17] <Nom-> Ok, has anyone seen a problem where all the text on a terminal window is flickering when switching between terminals ?
[11:17] <bazhang> nanonyme: I had it going under feisty on a powerbook with similar specs, never tried opengl however
[11:17] <nanonyme> Jordan_U__, it says device not ready or something similar when i dmesg after trying to conenct
[11:17] <nanonyme> connect even
[11:17] <b1n42y> Mark761966: i was getting worried there......thought u might be an alien or something
[11:17] <computer_Newbee> how do i boot my mac os x with my ubunntu on usb key?
[11:17] <abcent> yes thumb drive :D ... women love it!!! haha
[11:17] <Mark761966> I just finished installing virtual box, Jordan
[11:17] <nanonyme> bazhang, the free ati driver doesn't support accelerated opengl for my ati mobility card so meh :P
[11:18] <alch3mist> computer_Newbee hold option key then select a bood drive
[11:18] <Jordan_U__> computer_Newbee, Plug in the USB key and boot the computer while holding down the option key
[11:18] <alch3mist> *boot
[11:18] <computer_Newbee> cool
[11:18] <computer_Newbee> i will try
[11:18] <gsuveg> re
[11:19] <alch3mist> computer_Newbee : just make sure your usb drive is bootable
[11:19] <nanonyme> bazhang, that is, opengl runs but is extremely slow
[11:19] <Mark761966> I'm now running virtual box, Jordan
[11:19] <Mark761966> And a commentary :D
[11:19] <jmazaredo> is there problem on repositories of 7.10
[11:19] <bazhang> nanonyme: I hear you--my powerbook is 7 years old
[11:19] <abcent> good point alch3mist
[11:19] <computer_Newbee> ! :)
[11:20] <nanonyme> bazhang, it should be just fine if the gpu supported accelerated opengl though
[11:20] <Mark761966> I have just registered as a user of virtual box
[11:20] <nanonyme> the osx driver did :/
[11:20] <bazhang> nanonyme: true--never tried it though--had to give leopard a shot ;}
[11:20] <nanonyme> heh
[11:21] <Mark761966> I need to go shopping
[11:21] <Mark761966> I'll be back later
[11:21] <Mark761966> Probably
[11:21] <Mark761966> Bye for now
[11:21] <boysdontcry> how do u enable sse ?
[11:21] <bullgard4> bazhang: ping
[11:22] <TAB-2112> I'm having trouble finding something. I've decided I prefer KDE. If I used the standard Ubuntu installation CD, can I use the simpler "aptitude remove" command to remove GNOME, or do I have to remove packages one-by-one? Because the installation was relatively invisible, I'm not sure to find out which method it was installed by.
[11:22] <boysdontcry> wait wrong
[11:22] <PetitFeu> anyone home
[11:22] <bloony> firefox is freezing all the time.. anyone know why?
[11:22] <PetitFeu> hey! a human! a real human!
[11:22] <Nom-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/146468 <-- I appear to be affected by that bug, but i'm fully up-to-date, and the mentioned fix doesn't seem to work... Any ideas ?
[11:22] <Ademan> anyone know what might be up?  I've got a computer with a Sis 6318 or something like that in it (old old old) using the vesa driver, and glxgears is reporting around 100fps, and yet what I see looks to be <1fps.  Occasionally when I first start glxgears it will be smooth, and actually look like it's running at the fps it's reporting,but after that, the framerate I see is far far far below what it's reporting...
[11:22] <bullgard4> bloony: Analyze the dmesg.
[11:22] <bazhang> bullgard4: pong
[11:22] <_dac_> nanonyme, is it possible to run osx on a compaq box ?
[11:22] <Cryx> Hey! I have a problem, i need to make script that checks if some daemon is up, and if it isnt it starts it up... The hard part of this is that the daemon itselfs prompts for password and username, i would have to make script to tell them for daemon.. is this even possible?
 : install webmin.. it will all do the work
[11:23] <nanonyme> _dac_, probably not, it's extremely optimized to some hardware
[11:23] <nanonyme> won't run with anything else
[11:23] <HoudiniMan> obligatory VMware comment
[11:24] <_dac_> so, I have to buy an applle machine ?
[11:24] <boysdontcry> virtualbox use to have  a usb support for free before... and now only for comercials
[11:24] <bullgard4> bazhang: Do you remember our discussion why I had no sound after Festy to Gutsy distant Upgrade? I solved the problem last night: I re-installed Ubuntu 7.10 from scratch using a CD. The sound reappered.
[11:24] <Cryx> boysdontcry not in this case, i doubt webmin could handle this
[11:24] <bullgard4> reappeared
[11:24] <bazhang> bullgard4: awesome!
[11:24] <lusien> good morning everyone, just a little question... does radeonhd have direct rendering support?
[11:25] <nanonyme> _dac_, yes
[11:25] <boysdontcry> Cryx : webmin has this options to select what service to start at boot...
[11:25] <_dac_> okay thank you...
  : mine too.. sound reappeared after installation
[11:26] <Cryx> yeah, but the problem isnt with startup. It comes when the program exceeds the timeout of it, and the timeout cannot be increased more than it is now.
[11:26] <nanonyme> it might partly work on some computers but it's not guaranteed
[11:26] <_Eeyore_> hi guys.is there any way to have someone's msn contact list?plz..i need help
 : sorry... i can not help you... you have to have someone who nows perl script
[11:26] <bullgard4> boysdontcry: Well, I think Gutsy came out too early...
[11:26] <brobostigon> hi
[11:27] <_dac_> ok, ty
[11:27] <mosibfu> _Eeyore_: you dont trust your girlfriend or what? :P
[11:28] <here> g/f? can you trust anyone that bleeds for days on end, and still lives?
 g/f? can you trust anyone that bleeds for days on end, and still lives? <---- what're u guys talkin about?
[11:29] <mosibfu> here: yes you can, my nose has been bleeding for 2 days, and still i help people
[11:29] <nanonyme> :D
[11:29] <albec1> is there a way to get OO to open docx documents?
[11:29] <nanonyme> here, good one
[11:29] <_Eeyore_> a friend of mine has been lost..and i want his list to contact his family..i dont have their numbers so the only way is via mail...is there any way to have his mail list?
[11:29] <computer_Newbee> how do i boot my mac os x with my ubunntu on usb key?
[11:30] <mosibfu> _Eeyore_: depends on msn client probarbly, doesnt his msn/computer auto log on?
[11:30] <nanonyme> _Eeyore_, come on, you can make up stories if you want to but don't expect anyone to believe them :)
[11:30] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : first you restart ur mac hold option key and select your usb drive
[11:30] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : if that doesn't work it means your usb drive isn't bootable
[11:31] <computer_Newbee> what if my usb is bootable on a other pcs?
[11:31] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : you have to put the "ubundu disc" and boot from there... install from there and intall only on your usb drive
[11:31] <_Eeyore_> ok i dont want to believe me..i just need help..could anyone help me? plz..?
[11:31] <HuibertGill> _Eeyore_: whats up?
[11:32] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : install ubuntu from there... in your mac and choose your usb drive as the root drive
[11:33] <computer_Newbee> holding down option dont work
[11:33] <_Eeyore_> HuibertGill : i send you prv...could you help?
[11:33] <TAB-2112> (I'm not sure if this question was missed or if no-one has the answer, so apologies if reposting is a faux pas but I figure it came out among a bunch of other questions and could feasibly have been missed) I'm having trouble finding something. I've decided I prefer KDE. If I used the standard Ubuntu installation CD, can I use the simpler "aptitude remove" command to remove GNOME, or do I have to remove packages one-by-one? Because the
[11:33] <TAB-2112> installation was relatively invisible, I'm not sure to find out which method it was installed by.
[11:33] <computer_Newbee> holding down option key dont work
[11:33] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee what happens if you hold down option key?
[11:33] <computer_Newbee> only to boot from is mac drive
[11:33] <computer_Newbee> in option menu
[11:33] <HuibertGill> sorry, can't see ypur priv, msg (I don't chat often)
[11:33] <computer_Newbee> :(
[11:33] <computer_Newbee> but my usb work on my hp pc
[11:34] <bazhang> TAB-2112: first you need to install kubuntu-desktop
[11:34] <computer_Newbee> usb key
[11:34] <computer_Newbee> ubuntu
[11:34] <computer_Newbee> key
[11:34] <computer_Newbee> hmmm
[11:34] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee :.... i guess the firmware doesn't support ext3...
[11:34] <_Eeyore_> HuibertGill : i need to find someone's mail list..is there any way?
[11:34] <nanonyme> _Eeyore_, unregistered users cannot send private messages on this network
[11:34] <nanonyme> _Eeyore_, check /nickserv help register
[11:34]  * N3bunel saluta
[11:34] <_Eeyore_> ok :) thnx nanonyme
[11:34] <FokkerCharlie> Hi - anyone able to help me with problems after installing Ubuntu?  Thread here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=617244 . I would really like to get it working!
[11:35] <HuibertGill> nanonyme: thanks, soudns good, I don't know much about nickserv, but it sound like mailing list indicates something else
[11:35] <HalphaZ> Hi. In /dev/modules there are the modules that are loaded during boot. Is it possibile to pass a parameter to one of theese modules? and how?
[11:35] <carmy> hi to alla
[11:35] <carmy> all
[11:35] <TAB-2112> bazhang: So if I've done that am I okay to use the "aptitude remove" command?
[11:36] <nanonyme> HuibertGill, it's just a small countermeasure to private message spamming here. unless you create an account and allow private messages from unregistered from yourself, people have to have a nickserv account to private message you :)
[11:36] <carmy> I've the gutsy cd, could I upgrade my actual version using only the cd?
[11:36] <computer_Newbee> i have mac os x on my pc what version of ubuntu should i download? Sun UltraSPARC based?
[11:36] <bazhang> TAB-2112: iirc yes
[11:37] <boysdontcry> carmy u need the alternate cd
[11:37] <asamoah> hi
[11:37] <KI4IKL|Lappy> If I delete my current gtkrc file, will it be replaced automatically
[11:37] <computer_Newbee> any1?
[11:37] <brobostigon> if your mac is powerpc based then you need powerpc ubuntu, if its intel then use x86 ubuntu
[11:37] <goofy> server irc.mindforge.org
[11:37] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : intel based
[11:37] <carmy> boysdontcry: i need to download the alternate?
[11:37] <moDumass> hey all, any ideas on how to install "crayon physics" on gutsy?
[11:37] <KI4IKL|Lappy> !gtkrc-2.0
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtkrc-2.0 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <TAB-2112> bazhang: Thank you. Despite having this install of ubuntu for only a few days, I've grown rather attached to it and would rather not make it unbootable. =)
[11:38] <boysdontcry> carmy : yes... because the live cd is only for fresh install... use the alternate cd as it has an upgrade script
[11:38] <carmy> boysdontcry: thank yo so much
 : gutsy upgrade only works for 7.06 of ubuntu
[11:38] <_Eeyore_> nanonyme : register doesnt work for me..:/
[11:39] <bazhang> TAB-2112: understood; if you install kubuntu-desktop, you can then restart x and see if you can choose kde as the de first
[11:39] <XyClone> *yawn*
[11:39] <XyClone> :)
[11:39] <carmy> boysdontcry: :( I need for upgrading for 6.10
[11:39] <_vampiro_> Salve a Tutti/e Belli/e o Brutti/e..!!
 : you can't jump to gutsy from 6.10
[11:39] <mosibfu> !register | _Eeyore_
[11:39] <ubotu> _Eeyore_: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[11:39] <HalphaZ> In /dev/modules there are the modules that are loaded during boot. Is it possibile to pass a parameter to one of theese modules? and how?
[11:39] <mosibfu> _Eeyore_: that might help
[11:39] <bullgard4> What is the filename of the gnome-power-manager applet?
[11:39] <HuibertGill> nanonyme: thanks it worked :-)
 : i suggest you fresh install gutsy as it is much effecient ang cleaner
[11:39] <nanonyme> HuibertGill, np
 : i suggest you fresh install gutsy as it is much effecient and cleaner
[11:40] <HuibertGill> [BRB]
[11:40] <TAB-2112> bazhang: I've got it as default. I'm more worried about killing libs, etc that the de's both rely on.
[11:40] <pfwdtech> yeah ive upgrades and im havinf a headache with compiz
[11:40] <carmy> boysdontcry: thank you I'll do it
[11:40] <bazhang> TAB-2112: ok, do you use some gtk apps there in kde?
 : don't forget to back you important files... specially your home folder
[11:41] <computer_Newbee> cool it boots from my cd and not ubs! :( :)
[11:41] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : then install ubuntu from there
[11:41] <computer_Newbee> hehe sure will! :)
[11:41] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : i guess the firmware doesn't like "ext3"
[11:42] <computer_Newbee> hehe i am happy now! weee!
[11:42] <computer_Newbee> lol
[11:42] <pfwdtech> Im having some problems getting rtorrent to work.  It keeps saysing that libcurl3 is not metting the depencies any oone know what i should do?
[11:42] <TAB-2112> bazhang: The only one I'm particularly enamoured with is synaptic to my knowledge, but I can re-install any that I regret removing later, yes?
[11:42] <boysdontcry> computer_Newbee : im guessing you can only boot externally using apple's hfs+ partion
[11:42] <computer_Newbee> man this is sweet dude
[11:42] <computer_Newbee> brbr
[11:42] <computer_Newbee> brb
[11:43] <eckesicle> Whoops, I hid my terminal menubar. How do I get it back?
[11:43] <eckesicle> Well a rightclick did the job
[11:44] <javid> how can i rightclick with a one button mouse?
[11:44] <computer_Newbee> fuck it didnt work after all?
 try installing libcurl using synaptic
[11:44] <computer_Newbee> i will let u know the error msg
[11:44] <saftle> have a quick question. how do I make a seperate login for aiglx and the mode that allows me to run full 3d acceleration? want to at least have both modes available until a newer ati driver comes out.
[11:44] <mosibfu> saftle: you cant, those driver parameters are loaded at boot, and have nothing to do with logins/users
 : you can make a sript in the xsession
[11:45] <pfwdtech> ok will give it a go.  Ive been using apt-get and it says i already have it
[11:45] <bazhang> TAB-2112: indeed you can
[11:45] <TAB-2112> bazhang: Wonderful. Thanks.
[11:45] <saftle> boysdontcry: yeah I figured as much, would probably just require removing aiglx and compiz in the xorg.conf. know a way to make a script like that?
[11:45] <bazhang> TAB-2112: be sure to join #kubuntu as well :}
[11:47] <saftle> boysdontcry: I use ubuntu 7.10 btw.
[11:47] <pfwdtech> I tried but with no luck : libcurl3-gnutls-dev:
[11:48] <pfwdtech>   Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (=7.15.5-1ubuntu2) but 7.16.4-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:48] <mosibfu> saftle: 2 scripts are needed, one make it like aiglx.sh that does: cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.aiglx /etc/X11/xorg.conf, other script: 3d.sh that does: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.3d /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:49] <mosibfu> saftle: i could script that up for you, including a gdm restart, all you would have to do is make the configs
[11:49] <saftle> mosibfu, boysdontcry: thx alot guys, will try it out, not too sure if I know how to make the scripts however, :D
[11:49] <ricanelite> Okay I installed the latest drivers for my Geforce 8400GS which was version 100.4
[11:49] <saftle> mosibfu: that would be awesome of you, :D
[11:50] <mosibfu> saftle: this will only be a minute
[11:50] <gabi_> i need some help with printer sharing, both pcs run ubuntu 7.10
[11:50] <saftle> mosibfu: ok
[11:50] <computer_Newbee> i cant boot my mac os x with ubuntu on cd, seems like the the "display server" is not working or something, i dont know exactly
[11:50] <pfwdtech> should i remove my current libcurl3 from synaptic and the reinstall it again
[11:50] <ricanelite> but for some reason when i type in glxinfo | grep direct i get this message "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[11:50] <javid> how can i rightclick with a one button mouse?
[11:51] <ricanelite> what do i need to do? can it be because i have the desktop effects on?
[11:51] <ricanelite> or do i need to enable something? i have enable restricted drivers
[11:51] <ricanelite> and everything is turned on
[11:51] <ricanelite> and i also could do compiz and that is running fine
[11:51] <ricanelite> and my monitor resolution is fine as well
[11:51] <computer_Newbee> bcm43xx
[11:53] <foldart> javid: try F12
[11:53] <JediMaster> anyone have any idea why when I enable mod_python in apache2 I get segmentation faults every time a page is accessed, even on php pages
[11:53] <javid> foldart, nothing
[11:53] <pfwdtech> this is the ouput - trying to install rtorrent: The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[11:53] <pfwdtech>   libcurl3-openssl-dev: Depends: libcurl3 (= 7.15.5-1ubuntu2) but 7.16.4-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:53] <pfwdtech> E: Broken packages
[11:53]  * N3bunel brb
[11:54] <pfwdtech> anyone know how i can get this
[11:54] <computer_Newbee> ok here is the error i got when booting from mac os x pc with ubuntu cd, hold the option key down... error is [231.304000] bcm4xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available.....
[11:54] <foldart> javid: hm, not sure then sry
[11:55] <oliver> hi fdisk gives me the following ... /dev/hda4               1       16380     7739518+  63  GNU HURD or SysV
[11:55] <oliver> how can i mount this?
[11:55] <computer_Newbee> how do i fint out what version of ubuntu i should install. my pc runs mac os x 10.4 or something
[11:56] <Marbug> hi, I have a laptop and I have installed ubuntu on an external hard drive. but my grub was installed on the hard drive of the maptop itself. But the internal hard drive has crashed. now how can I reinstall grub? because when I want to install it on the external drive, grub-install say that it isn't a block device :/
[11:56] <Patchak> hey there, is there a compiz plugin that allows to clear all windows and see the desktop only by cliking a corner??
[11:57] <computer_Newbee> how do i font out what processor my mac os x pc has?
[11:57] <computer_Newbee> how do i font out what processor my mac os x pc has?
[11:57] <HuibertGill> pfwdtech: where did you get your DEB
[11:57] <mizz> hi can someoone please help me I am having trouble with my usb drive, it has 2 partitions, but only the 2nd one seems to mount automatically, although it used to mount both
[11:58] <saftle> Patchak: I'm sure the people at #ubuntu-effects could probably help you better than here
[11:58] <brobostigon> !cpuinfo
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpuinfo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <mizz> #ubuntu-effects is gone no?
[11:58] <Patchak> saftle, thanks
[11:58] <Nom-> this is wierd... i'm getting all kinds of graphics corruption with CompizFusion... does it have issues with SLI per chance ?
[11:58] <mizz> redirects to #compiz-fusion
[11:58] <mizz> or did they bring it back
[11:59] <saftle> Patchak: np
[11:59] <mosibfu> Nom-: yes, if you run AFR it has the problem, but if you run SFR everything is fine
[11:59] <saftle> mizz: it redirects
[11:59] <brobostigon> have a look at proc/cpuinfo, that will tell you what cpu you have.
[11:59] <Nom-> mosibfu: Is that a configuration option?
[11:59] <HoudiniMan> how do i enable the additional buttons on my logitech mouse?
[12:00] <computer_Newbee> my pc runs mac os x 10.4, what what ubuntu do i download? Sun UltraSPARC based?
[12:00] <mosibfu> Nom-:  yes that is stated in your xorg.conf at the "Screen" section something like: Option "SLI" "AFR"  i had the problem with AFR aswell, but SFR seems to be running fine
[12:00] <Nom-> I have no idea what that does, but I'll give it a try
[12:00] <pfwdtech> i used apt-get from a guide on the net :  sudo apt-get -f install build-essential libsigc++-2.0-dev pkg-config comerr-dev libcurl3-openssl-dev libidn11-dev libkadm55 libkrb5-dev libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libncurses5 libncurses5-dev
[12:00] <brobostigon> if you mac is powerpc, you need to download powerpc ubuntu
[12:01] <mizz> hi can someoone please help me I am having trouble with my usb drive, it has 2 partitions, but only the 2nd one seems to mount automatically, although it used to mount both
[12:01] <mosibfu> Nom-: those are 2 different versions of the SLI mode, Alternate frame rendering (card do each a frame at a time) and SFR, both cards work togeather on 1 frame
[12:01] <computer_Newbee> bro, how do i font that out?
[12:01] <brobostigon> computer-newbee, what cpu does your mac have??
[12:01] <computer_Newbee> i dont know
[12:01] <bazhang> is this #ubuntu or #apple?
[12:01] <computer_Newbee> all i see is a flat screen that run os x
[12:02] <brobostigon> i need to know so i can tell you which ubuntu version ou need.
[12:02] <Nom-> hmmm...it's better
[12:02] <HuibertGill> pfwdtech: hhmmm, try to update you apt-cache 'apt-get update' Do you have any NON Ubuntu repos?
[12:02] <brobostigon> what model mac is it??
[12:02] <HuibertGill> computer_Newbee: can you run bootcamp/winXP?
[12:02] <mosibfu> saftle: i am installing GFTP to upload the scripts+ the readme on my webserver, you will have the link in a minute
[12:02] <Nom-> mosibfu: It's slightly better... now the top half of the terminal window is being drawn, but the bottom half isn't (when i switch desktops)
[12:02] <computer_Newbee> i dont know
[12:02] <saftle> mosibfu: oh ok, awesome
[12:02] <computer_Newbee> i can run mac os x
[12:02] <computer_Newbee> that is what my pc runs
[12:03] <HuibertGill> computer_Newbee: we figured that :-)
[12:03] <computer_Newbee> so how do i conert it to ubuntu
[12:03] <mosibfu> Nom, have you relogged? since that does the trick
[12:03] <computer_Newbee> convert
[12:03] <computer_Newbee> *
[12:03] <Nom-> mosibfu: I just did that to change the SFR/AFR option...
[12:03] <brobostigon> find out for us, either what cou it has, or which model it is, otherwise it will be impossible to tell you which ubuntu to use.
[12:03] <computer_Newbee> so how do i convert it to ubuntu