[00:00] <petro> the last time I upgraded the ubuntu version, I ran into problems in which I couldn't boot - I had to use an older kernel or other way to boot
[00:02] <kurt-xubuntu> just got the strangest pm from some guy names nicknet
[00:05] <eldeivi> O_~
[00:07] <Guest28537> greatgatsby, is there a way to switch to LightDM I confirmed im running GDM
[00:07] <Guest28537> and my login time is really slow
[00:10] <guiverc> Guest28537, if it is already installed; `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm` (or could be gdm3.. etc) will ask you which of installed you wish to use
[00:11] <Guest28537> what if I want to use apt?
[00:12] <guiverc> Guest28537, ps: if it relates to a discussed issue, i'm not privy to that, so i was answering your last question only
[00:12] <Guest28537> can I just purge it and then reinstall
[00:12] <Guest28537> ive never learned dpkg
[00:12] <guiverc> why?  if you use apt; it'll cause the dpkg-reconfigure process to run at the end of install???
[00:13] <guiverc> apt is a front end of dpkg... it just gets the packages, dpkg does the actual isntall
[00:14] <Guest28537> hm okay
[00:14] <guiverc> dpkg == deb package manager; the tool that works with deb's  (already downloaded)
[00:14] <Guest28537> ill give it a try
[00:14] <Guest28537> so dpkg came first?
[00:14] <Guest28537> before apt?
[00:15] <Guest28537> nice I switched it
[00:15] <Guest28537> :)
[00:16] <guiverc> yep Guest28537,  dpkg-reconfigure causes the installation-scripts used when package was first installed to be re-run  (which is what your purge, re-install would have caused to occur, but with a lot less work)
[00:16] <Guest28537> is lightdm less secure though than the full gdm?
[00:16] <guiverc> i can't answer that; it contains less functionality I believe (thus saving memory & making it lighter..); no idea about security sorry
[00:19] <Guest28537> fascinating stuff
[00:21] <Guest28537> hm i should learn more about anonymity and hardening my system im interested in that. not because im hiding anything but just think its importan to know
[00:25] <petro> same problem in ubuntu every time....it does not automount hard drives
[00:25] <petro> so annoying
[00:25] <petro> Guest28537, just so know, ubuntu sucks
[00:25] <petro>  so many bugs in it
[00:25] <petro> that they never fix
[00:26] <petro> constant freezes - mouse works but can't click anything
[00:26] <petro> they also refuse to fix bugs in which a hacker can gain access to your system
[00:27] <petro> and ubuntu tells the forum admins to remove ppl they don't like
[00:28] <petro> https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3035619/ubuntu-lock-screen-bug
[00:28] <petro> e.g.
[00:29] <petro> fortunately, there's some really good people who use it for some reason...who will help but you have to find them or wait for them to show up :)
[00:30] <petro> I have to reboot my machine because it won't mount my HDD
[00:30] <petro> unreal
[00:30] <petro> even in windows, it will detect the hd
[00:32] <linext> can someone help me get private internet access working on a Ubuntu VM?
[00:32] <linext> it seems to be installed but i can't see a way in the GUI to edit the settings
[00:33] <lamerche> petro: win not detect ubuntu system hdd
[00:33] <lamerche> file system
[00:34] <petro> linext, I have it installed natively..why do you use it in a VM?
[00:35] <petro> lamerche, but, windows detects HDs w NTFS
[00:35] <petro> there's no mounting problem
[00:35] <linext> petro, to keep only certain traffic on VPN
[00:35] <petro> I know I can manually mount it but it's a hassle and I forget the commands
[00:36] <petro> are you using windows?
[00:36] <petro> what vm is it?
[00:36] <petro> I probably cannot help but I know I had problems with PIA in the past but not with VM use
[00:37] <petro> it might have to do with the VM....
[00:37] <petro> I guess I have to reboot my machine... I want to back up my work to my external HDD...so, I can try to upgrade to 18.04 soon
[00:37] <linext> i think i got it working
[00:38] <linext> it required installing a few things first
[00:40] <Mead> is there a going concensus on what the best IRC client is for ubuntu?
[00:41] <ducasse> Mead: 'best' is totally subjective
[00:42] <petro> I use hexchat usually
[00:43] <Mead> ducasse: what irc client are you using right now?
[00:43] <ducasse> Mead: weechat, fwiw
[00:52] <xoxo> what are the rules to selling an Orange Pi Zero with ubuntu installed
[00:52] <xoxo> does anyone on the ubuntu team care
[00:53] <xoxo> =)
[00:53] <sonicwind> I like HexChat
[00:53] <leftyfb> xoxo: there's nothing wrong with that
[00:53] <xoxo> woo ok
[00:53] <xoxo> thank you
[00:53] <sonicwind> before that I used Konversation
[00:54] <leftyfb> sonicwind: you might want to try #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for Ubuntu support
[00:54] <sonicwind> Mead asked, so I answered... sorry
[00:58] <TRPrecht> Greetings, I am curious if anyone has encountered an issue after update/reboot where the machine hangs on "Started GNOME Display Manager. Dispatcher Service...tem changes.pp link was shut down...."
[01:02] <hfp> How do I disable my laptop from suspending when on AC?
[01:02] <hfp> with the command line
[01:11] <Guest28537> how come when I run getent services I get a list of about 6000 different services half of which I appear to not even need (netbios? LDAP running on port 123 --- why would I need ldap ? )
[01:11] <Guest28537> its just a desktop
[01:12] <Guest28537> Ubuntu 18.04
[01:12] <Guest28537> should I modify my /etc/rc.local or w/e and remove half of them?
[01:12] <Guest28537> or am I missing something here
[01:19] <ScriptThis> :q
[01:40] <_novgorod> _greetings all
[01:41] <adel4> hello
[01:43] <_novgorod> not much happening here from the look of things..
[01:55] <TRPrecht> presume not. :-)
[02:24] <Lucas> what irc tool are you using
[02:27] <Bashing-om> Lucas: You meant the irc client ? .. I use irssi - hexchat and weechat are also quite popular.
[02:28] <cyba> hexchat
[02:31] <Lucas> the #ubuntu channel is quiet enough to hear the mosquito singing
[02:36] <HEX0> do you guys know if nvidia-dkms is hackabe? I always wondered if anyone tried to mess with source tree and building a customized nvida module
[02:37] <slackjeff> I love mia khalifa, more not love ubuntu, bye!
[02:37] <xoxo> is a chromebook the cheapest bestest Ubuntu laptop ?
[02:39] <HEX0> xoxo: I would say a thinkpad t500/w500, t400s x200 etc are the cheapest, decent linux laptops in general
[02:39] <HEX0> if not running a heavy DE
[02:40] <guiverc> xoxo, cheapest & bestest I don't think go together; what i value in a machine means I'd prefer a second hand x86 laptop (a shorter battery life won't worry me)
[02:44] <guiverc> (sorry for last, I didn't realize this was #ubuntu)
[02:47] <boblamont> I have a question, but it's about an past-its-lifetime version...
[02:48] <boblamont> is that ok?
[02:49] <padarc> nobody will slap you for asking, i guess.
[02:50] <boblamont> I seem to have broken LXDE in Lubuntu 13.04 while trying to install something in wine, though it works ok in the guest account, but the main account just gets the background and a non-functioning openbox menu
[02:55] <guiverc> boblamont, two options come to mind, `dpkg-reconfigure` for the package involved (assuming its not a config option you've set), or if it is something you've set (config in your home directory), you could copy the working config for the 'guest' over your own config file (in your $HOME); remembring to `chown` etc to make it yours after `cp`
[02:56] <leftyfb> boblamont: Lubuntu 13.04?
[02:56] <leftyfb> boblamont: as you mentioned, that is WAY EOL
[02:56] <leftyfb> as in 5 years
[02:57] <leftyfb> boblamont: it's going to take you less effort to reinstall a supported version and restore your files from backup
[02:57] <boblamont> leftyfb: yes, I kind of keep it around because of the wine junk
[02:57] <leftyfb> boblamont: I think you can just backup and restore ~/.wine and keep all your wine applications
[02:58] <boblamont> leftyfb: I figured the installed programs would have to be installed fresh with a newer version of wine
[02:59] <leftyfb> boblamont: shouldn't be too hard to test
[03:00] <boblamont> leftyfb: but if I wipe the old one to put in the new one, they'll be gone if it doesn't work
[03:00] <leftyfb> boblamont: try with a live cd or another computer or a VM
[03:00] <boblamont> is there a live cd with wine?
[03:01] <leftyfb> boblamont: you can install it
[03:02] <boblamont> leftyfb: I suppose it's worth a shot
[03:04] <amazoniantoad> I installed the newest version of Ubuntu but the fan on my laptop is not working
[03:04] <amazoniantoad> Can someone help me get it to turn on when needed?
[03:04] <boblamont> but I'll try dpkg-reconfigure, too like guiverc sugested, and maybe copy over the config file .. I'm kind of worried I have logins and stuff saved that I don't easily have written down (I know they're somewhere)
[03:20] <cjoseph> I'm trying to compile the linux-hwe-4.15.0 sources with the ath9k module
[03:21] <guiverc> boblamont, if you're scared something will be mucked up by a change (copying a config, even a dpkg-rec..) just make a backup copy of what gets affected, and restore it it if doesn't help (I often use this to `diff` & see what differences it makes, so I can better understand what was done, what changes were done etc)... dpkg-recon will require quite a few files to be `cp` (backed up, which varies on package)
[03:21] <cjoseph> the compilation goes without errors, but no ath9k binary is produced
[03:21] <cjoseph> if I tee the make output, it just skips the whole net/wireless/ath9k directory
[03:23] <cjoseph> I've double checked the .config and it definitely does have CONFIG_ATH9K=m
[03:25] <cjoseph> any idea why on earth the module is not being compiled when it should be? especially since the make output has no errors
[03:28] <guiverc> cjoseph, note: i'm no expert; but compiling the kernel does not compile the modules; it's a different step (you should have makefile & kbuild [module])  https://linux-kernel-labs.github.io/master/labs/kernel_modules.html
[03:29] <cjoseph> guiverc: I know, but there should be a CC[M] net/wireless/atheros line
[03:29] <cjoseph> during the make
[03:29] <skeh> hello all. will the encrypted partition on same drive be still accesible after reinstalling ubuntu?
[03:29] <cjoseph> the 'make modules'
[03:29] <cjoseph> and 'make modules_install' steps both don't produce any ath9k output either
[03:30] <cjoseph> and of course the binary ath9k.ko is never produced either
[03:32] <guiverc> cjoseph, as stated; i'm no expert, but I'd check your makefile for the kbuild as per aforementioned link  (I can't offer more than that sorry mate)
[03:35] <amazoniantoad> skeh: yes
[03:35] <amazoniantoad> if you have password/key
[03:37] <guiverc> skeh, i agree with amazoniantoad; I recently upgraded a system (encrypted home folder only) and had issues during install; one package was missed; once that package was installed it was perfect (i'm using it now; folder encrypted) --- but backup your data regardless!
[03:44] <skeh> amazoniantoad guiverc the drive was encrypted using right click > format > type > encrypted , no pass/key was made
[03:44] <skeh> ..it should be still existing & accesible after the reinstall right?
[03:46] <guiverc> skeh, grab it before you upgrade; `ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase`
[03:47] <skeh> guiverc,otherwise it wont be accesible or present?
[03:50] <guiverc> primarily just to be safe; not I'm no expert with encryption.  my comment was that I'd installed with an encrypted folder; once the upgrade was complete (and I fixed a missing package) it just worked. I didn't need the key, but if you didn't record the password/key as previously stated; I'd record it (elsewhere) before you attempt..
[03:51] <skeh> ok.tnx for the tip
[03:54] <poprocks> Is anyone aware of a "freetype-freeworld" package (ala Fedora) that enables the patented subpixel rendering mode? (Not to be confused the with new subpixel hinting mode which has been enabled by default in freetype since 2.7)
[03:56] <young> halou
[03:56] <young> dfsdfs
[03:57] <skeh> is it possible to merge partitions - sda4 & sda5 http://img298.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97061_partit_122_509lo.jpg
[03:58] <young> wqeqw
[04:00] <Flannel> skeh: not directly.  You'll need to backup the data on sda4, delete sda4, then extend sda3/sda5 forward.
[04:00] <guiverc> skeh, i don't know any way except by being destructive;  lvm allows more, not ext
[04:00] <guiverc> sorry Flannel
[04:01] <Flannel> skeh: expanding sda3/sda5 forward is doable "in one step" with modern tools (because they hide the actual mechanisms, its techncially not possible to move the start directly, but it can be emulated as long as the partition has enough free space)
[04:01] <Flannel> guiverc: No worries
[04:03] <Flannel> skeh: Actually, you have enough room to just move sda5's contents onto sda4, then delete sda5 and expand sda4 backward.
[04:03] <Flannel> So, that'd be fewer steps.
[04:05]  * skeh analyzing
[04:07] <skeh> flannel ,  delete sda5 and expand sda4 backward. --> last option
[04:08] <skeh> Flannel, what modern tools are you referring?
[04:09] <skeh>  delete sda4, then extend sda3/sda5 forward --> acceptable
[04:13] <skeh> what partitioning style is convenient if i plan to add another distro or resize a partition in the future ?
[04:16] <skeh> Flannel, just move sda5's contents onto sda4 --> ubuntu was installed @ sda5,is it possible to relocate it?
[04:37] <pantato> i have a serious problem with ubuntu 18. Every time I put a usb drive in and i dont explicitly eject it between boots, it gets stuck trying to mount it. Usually it wouldnt be a huge deal but this time i actually corrupted said usb drive and now I cant boot in at all. I'm just sitting here in maintenance mode. How do I fix this nonsense?
[04:50] <pantato> anyone?
[05:09] <guiverc> pantato, that sounds like (booting usb) a bios or eufi config issue; where it's told to boot usb; ubuntu could only be an issue if ubuntu was on usb i'd suspect
[05:11] <pantato> guiverc: i ended up resolving the issue. Thanks
[05:12] <guiverc> if you're stuck in recovery mode; I'd suspect a fs couldn't mount; hence if were my system I'd boot a 'live' system & fsck your partitions etc...  :)
[05:12] <Tegu> I wouldn't mind hearing what was the solution
[05:13] <sjvxid67> HY
[05:14] <sjvxid67> HY RED QUEEN
[05:17] <Abhijit> Hi.
[05:18] <Abhijit> how to make ubuntu take back control from external monitor and treat laptop monitor as the only monitor, when suddenly electricity is off and external monitor not working.
[05:24] <guiverc> Abhijit, on at least one thinkpad; I can fn + (blue screen button on key) to switch between 2/mirror/disable but I know it doesn't work on all environments..  i'd probably then switch to term & run xrandr/arandr script (I have scripts that enable/disable external to save me remembering the real commands)
[05:25] <acoustyk> Anyone know how to change the master password for the alpine mail password file?
[05:27] <Abhijit> guiverc, ok. let me check.
[06:01] <bag> hi, how should I scan my signature. It is for an online application. Is there a specific program to so that?
[06:04] <bag> would scanning it from a white piece of paper and crop it with gimp work?
[06:09] <boblamont> bag: scanning it would probably work, take a picture of it might work depending on how decent a picture you can get (both still would need cropping)
[06:09] <bag> boblamont, what other optines there are?
[06:10] <bag> options
[06:10] <boblamont> do you have a graphics tablet? you could sign on that
[06:10] <bag> nope
[06:11] <boblamont> I think most people probably scan just because it's (a) easy and (b) most people's printer has a scanner they never use
[06:11] <bag> good, im scanning
[06:12] <bag> boblamont, are you good with gimp?
[06:12] <boblamont> bag: depends on what needs to be done with it
[06:12] <bag> ah, please join #gimp
[06:16] <lol-md5> iwconfig returns that my wifi card is named wlp2s0. but /dev/wlp2s0 doesn't exist. where is it?
[06:17] <ducasse> lol-md5: there are no /dev entries for network interfaces
[06:18] <lol-md5> whaaa
[06:18] <lol-md5> how am i supposed to use macchanger or ifconfig down?
[06:18] <ducasse> never has been
[06:18] <lol-md5> oh wait
[06:18] <lol-md5> i'm dumb
[06:18] <ducasse> just use the interface name
[06:20] <lol-md5> thanks
[06:21] <lol-md5> yea
[07:03] <guy> Hi everyone
[07:06] <boblamont> hello
[07:06] <EriC^^> hi
[08:05] <eraserpencil> could I ask about snapcraft related questions about the kernel here? the guys at #snappy seems asleep
[08:06] <ducasse> you can try, but you might be better off waiting for them
[08:22] <Edisto> how do you restrict the workspace switcher from showing windows in other workspaces?
[08:24] <Edisto> nevermind had to install multi-monitor addon
[08:27] <asdfgh> hello
[08:28] <tomreyn> hi asdfgh
[08:28] <asdfgh> I am using win 10 pro, but i would like to give ubuntu 18.04 a try. is it stable now? i know that when a new OS exit is far from stable...
[08:28] <asdfgh> hi tomreyn
[08:29] <ppf> "stable"? "new"?
[08:30] <tomreyn> asdfgh: there are still some bugs in it, but 18.04.1 will release in a couple days, on July 26th.
[08:32] <qwebirc23566> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu from an USB Stick on Harddrive, but deleted that Partition and runs Command to fix bootmanager, as it is written on Internet to remove it.
[08:33] <qwebirc23566> But now i see two Lines of Ubuntu on Boot installed on Harddrive.
[08:33] <asdfgh> ok
[08:33] <asdfgh> thanks tomreyn
[08:34] <qwebirc23566> Starting in safe mode a window appears with "Stack overflow,... or smthng lika ths.
[08:36] <qwebirc36548> hello
[08:36] <qwebirc36548> anyone is here?
[08:36] <qwebirc23566> Hi
[08:36] <qwebirc36548> need fast ubuntu help :/
[08:37] <qwebirc23566> I started Text yet.
[08:37] <guiverc> ask your question qwebirc36548, if someone knows the answer they'll answer (try & keep to a single line, and please be patient)
[08:37] <qwebirc36548> First i get Failes to connect to lvmetad
[08:38] <tomreyn> that's a warning only, you can usually ignore it.
[08:39] <qwebirc23566> Especially i like Design of it, but don't know issue running Windows twice.
[08:41] <tomreyn> qwebirc23566: if you're still loking for support, you'll need to provide more details. also post the tuorial / guide you are following.
[08:42] <qwebirc23566> Ok, i don't have any Links to it. I just wan't to tell why I have done it so.
[08:42] <qwebirc23566> Because...
[08:43] <qwebirc23566> There wasn't any Files on Partition!
[08:48] <tomreyn> qwebirc23566: the way i read "Hello, I just installed Ubuntu from an USB Stick on Harddrive, but deleted that Partition and runs Command to fix bootmanager, as it is written on Internet to remove it." is: I installed some version of ubuntu to one of my HDDs, then deleted the partition i installed it to, and ran some command which i was hoping would somehow fix somethign with booting. i used some howto somewhere on the internet.
[08:49] <tomreyn> "two Lines of Ubuntu on Boot installed on Harddrive" is pretty ambiguous, too, and ubuntu does not provide "safe mode", maybe you mean "recovery"?
[08:49] <qwebirc23566> h..
[08:49] <tomreyn> or maybe you still have some windows version installed somewhere and started that in safe mode.
[08:49] <qwebirc23566> yes
[08:50] <qwebirc23566> I started it with UEFI.
[08:50] <tomreyn> try providing outut, screenshots, text. we only support ubuntu, not windows.
[08:50] <qwebirc23566> OK.
[08:50] <tomreyn> !paste | qwebirc23566
[08:50] <tomreyn> !screenshots
[08:51] <tomreyn> but text is preferred, where possible
[08:51] <tomreyn> qwebirc36548: and second?
[08:51] <qwebirc23566> So i thank you within that and hope find a way to Fix it,..
[08:52] <qwebirc23566> Good bye!
[08:54] <payam_> iiiiiii
[09:01] <phocean> hi
[09:02] <phocean> I have a strange alert from apparmor on man
[09:02] <phocean> it detects a ptrace call
[09:02] <phocean> apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="/usr/bin/man" pid=4981 comm="ps" requested_mask="trace" denied_mask="trace" peer="/usr/bin/man"
[09:02] <phocean> how is it possible?
[09:04] <blackflow> phocean: how is what possible? the profile for usr.bin.man apparently does not allow ptrace on self
[09:04] <blackflow> and indeed, the profile coming with Bionic does not
[09:04] <phocean> blackflow, I understand, but how a basic program like man is doing a ptrace?
[09:05] <blackflow> phocean: on itself. it's not uncommon.
[09:05] <phocean> blackflow, really, I did not know
[09:06] <phocean> blackflow, then this might worth a bug issue for this profile
[09:06] <blackflow> firefox does it for example.    anyway, just add    ptrace trace peer=/usr/bin/man,    to local/usr.bin.man  and file a bug report.    Of cours, assuming that ptrace is legitimate, I don't know if it is.
[09:07] <phocean> blackflow, I am going to install a VM to check how it is on a fresh install
[09:07] <phocean> blackflow, just to make sure that my binary was not backdoored
[09:08] <phocean> blackflow, strace man ls 2>&1 | grep ptrace does not show the ptrace call, but I assume it's because strace is using ptrace itself, am I correct?
[09:09] <blackflow> I'm not sure exactly which syscalls are covered by AA's "ptrace" rule
[09:18] <blackflow> phocean: btw, that trace is coming from `ps` invoked in the context of that profile
[09:19] <blackflow> man, that man profile is ugly...... /** mrixwlk,   !!
[09:27] <phocean> blackflow, yeah, indeed
[09:45] <duncan213> guys anyone of you by any chance know a good irc channel for learning languages (human) especially russian ?
[09:47] <tomreyn> !ot | duncan213
[09:47] <tomreyn> !alis | duncan213
[10:07] <fSharp> hello, I am not familiar with permission commands..how can I assign read and write permissions to myself, and no permissions to groups and others?
[10:07] <fSharp> for a folder
[10:07] <TimeDoctor> from the desktop or command-line?
[10:07] <EriC^^> fSharp: chmod 700 /file
[10:07] <fSharp> from command line
[10:07] <EriC^^> wait you said read write, you dont want execute?
[10:08] <TimeDoctor> yeah chmod is what you need for that
[10:08] <duncan213> chmod then 0 for nothing 1 for execute 2 for read 4 for write
[10:08] <fSharp> EriC^^, without execute for this folder, yes
[10:08] <EriC^^> fSharp: ok, chmod 600
[10:08] <duncan213> you can combine them for read and write it's 6
[10:08] <EriC^^> (fwiw you wont be able to cd into it without execute)
[10:08] <fSharp> ah
[10:09] <fSharp> but isn't "cd" about reading?
[10:09] <EriC^^> actually you won't be able to do anything i think
[10:09] <duncan213> nope
[10:09] <fSharp> ah
[10:09] <fSharp> ok
[10:09] <duncan213> cd = change directory
[10:09] <fSharp> then with execute :)
[10:09] <EriC^^> fSharp: chmod 700 with execute
[10:09] <fSharp> thank you, EriC^^!
[10:09] <EriC^^> fSharp: no problem
[10:10] <fSharp> duncan213, yes, I will keep them in mind one day :)
[10:11] <duncan213> :)
[10:13] <fSharp> that day may be now, though. it seems to be about 4 numbers and adding them
[10:14] <fSharp> for ex. if I wanted to give read-only to others, I'd assign 722, right?
[10:15] <ppf> fSharp: use the alpha permissions instead
[10:15] <fSharp> meaning others and groups
[10:15] <fSharp> ppf, I know what it is maybe I can :)
[10:15] <fSharp> if I know
[10:15] <ppf> chmod u=rwx
[10:16] <ppf> chmod u=rwx,go= to make it rwx only for u
[10:16] <fSharp> ah, that's what appears in terminal at the beginning of files, right?
[10:16] <ppf> yes, and it's identical to the above, just without having to mess with the dumb permission bits
[10:17] <ppf> and there's + and - instead of = to add/remove permissions
[10:18] <fSharp> at first glance the former way seems easier :)
[10:18] <fSharp> but at first glance, as I said
[10:18] <ppf> lol how
[10:19] <fSharp> you just add the permissions you want the particular user to have
[10:19] <fSharp> in the first method
[10:19] <ppf> chmod 700 is absolutely identical to chmod u=rwx,go=
[10:20] <fSharp> the second is not yet clear to me, probably that's why
[10:20] <ppf> except the letter is readable
[10:20] <fSharp> yes, identical to you :)
[10:20] <fSharp> but I see it for the first time
[10:20] <ppf> that's why i'm telling you you can use the characters instead of octal bits ;)
[10:21] <ppf> because it's absolutely clear what they do
[10:21] <fSharp> anyway, no worries. I trust it should be easier the way you say it..just I need to make a little search and go about it
[10:22] <ppf> isn't it self-explanatory?
[10:22] <fSharp> not to me :)
[10:22] <fSharp> u=rwx,go= is all I see
[10:22] <fSharp> and dont know what to make of it
[10:22] <ppf> u means user, g is group, o is other
[10:23] <ppf> the flags are Read, Write, eXecute
[10:23] <fSharp> ah, "go"
[10:23] <fSharp> ok
[10:23] <d3bug> Windows time screwed up after booting into Linux.  I suspect one OS uses UTC and one uses Localtime.  Which does Ubuntu use?
[10:23] <fSharp> so it is just about writing them like that, i.e. u=rw,g=x,o=wx
[10:24] <ppf> yes
[10:24] <fSharp> ok, you've been right
[10:24] <ppf> thx ;)
[10:24] <fSharp> :)
[10:24] <fSharp> thank you
[10:24] <blackflow> fSharp: the chmod manpage explains it all nicely. manpages are your friends, use them. :)   `man chmod` for more info.
[10:25] <ppf> there's also sTicky, Setuid, and capital X for sane udpates to the executable bit :)
[10:25] <d3bug> ppf:  what fun is sanity?  :P
[10:25] <fSharp> but what I said about being shown at the beginning of files was a bit different. it was with dashes..like rw--rwx--x etc..what are those dashes?
[10:25] <ppf> fSharp: the bit is not set
[10:25] <aways> Hi all; Question about ubuntu:latest on docker hub.
[10:26] <ppf> plus you got an extra bit in there ;)
[10:26] <aways> The kernel on this install from docker has kernel 4.13
[10:26] <ppf> drwxrwxrwx is the full sequence; missing bits are replaced by a dash (in ls)
[10:26] <fSharp> blackflow, yeah, maybe the kind of friendship that takes a bit of while to build :)
[10:26] <aways> ubuntu 18.04 by default come with 4.15
[10:26] <aways> why it's wrong on docker hub ?
[10:27] <fSharp> blackflow, joke aside, sure I'd take a look. I mean generally man pages seem sort of complex in their narrative style
[10:29] <fSharp> as if assuming the reader to be above a certain knowledge level of the topic
[10:29] <blackflow> fSharp: some are, most aren't. the chmod one isn't :)   ideally, you should try to use and understand the manpages first, and if something needs clarification we're here to help.
[10:30] <blackflow> fSharp: yes. using computers is not a trivial task, requires education and understanding. :)
[10:30] <fSharp> ok
[10:31] <fSharp> I agree, yes
[10:32] <qwebirc15431> Hello everyone, i'm not sure i'm in the right place, but i wanted to report that i downloaded the ubuntu 18.04 desktop iso from the ubuntu.com site(official), and halfway through the installation the antivirus(avast) found a trojan virus so it stopped the installation.
[10:32] <ppf> qwebirc15431: what antivirus
[10:32] <ppf> as in: how are you installing this that you have an AV running
[10:32] <blackflow> avast :)     but I think the question is what VIRUS?
[10:33] <ppf> blackflow: not really ;)
[10:33] <blackflow> ppf: read the original post again? :)
[10:33] <blackflow> the user is DOWNLOADINg, not installing. and using Avast for AV, that allegedly saw a trojan.
[10:33] <ppf> he said halfway through the installation
[10:34] <blackflow> I'm erring on the most likely side of it, being a typo ;)
[10:34] <qwebirc15431> i think the installer might have been downloading stuff for free codecs etc
[10:34] <ppf> qwebirc15431: what installer
[10:34] <qwebirc15431> ubuntu installer?
[10:34] <ppf> how are you running the ubuntu installer and avast at the same time
[10:35] <qwebirc15431> as i said i was installing it in a virtualbox
[10:35] <ppf> you didn't
[10:35] <blackflow> qwebirc15431: you most certainly did not say that.
[10:35] <qwebirc15431> and the avast from the windows host give me an error
[10:35] <qwebirc15431> oh
[10:35] <qwebirc15431> my bad
[10:35] <qwebirc15431> sry
[10:36] <ppf> why do people still use AV anyways ...
[10:36] <oerheks> qwebirc15431, " and halfway through the installation the antivirus(avast) found a trojan virus so it stopped the installation." ... are you trying to install within windows???
[10:36] <oerheks> oh virtualbox, i missed that
[10:36] <blackflow> we all did :)
[10:36] <oerheks> bad antivirus, false positive
[10:36] <ppf> aren't they all bad
[10:37] <blackflow> the REAL question here is WHAT virus. where, what path, how.
[10:37] <qwebirc15431> give me a second
[10:37] <ppf> as if avast could detect a virus if you hit it in the face with one
[10:40] <blackflow> avast is one of those bad boys that MITM your encrypted mail connection so it could scan your mail.
[10:40] <ppf> yes :)
[10:41] <ppf> but AVs are bad across the board. there should be a law against them
[10:41] <ppf> but since we're not #windows, i shall stop ranting now :)
[10:42] <qwebirc15431> i restarted the installation to see what file is in the error
[10:42] <ppf> so, how is avast able to stop something _in_ virtualbox?
[10:43] <oerheks> avast monitors download in the host, i guess
[10:43] <ppf> and kills the download, that makes sense
[10:43] <ppf> probably after uploading what you download into the cloud, for good measure ...
[10:44] <oerheks> long time no hear about antivirus issues
[10:44] <ppf> that's true
[10:45] <qwebirc15431> it is ELF:Agent-RA [Trj].      hhtp://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.1_1.1Og-2ubuntu4.1_amd64.debidata.tar.xzl|data.tar|. \usr\lub\x86_64-linux-gnu\libcrypto.so.1.1
[10:45] <ppf> hahahaha
[10:45]  * blackflow facepalms
[10:46] <ppf> my default stance is that people with AV problems deserve them, but this is just brilliant :D
[10:47] <qwebirc15431> I was suprised it even scanned the runing virtualmachine
[10:47] <blackflow> well, regular users don't know better and think AVs are protective.
[10:47] <blackflow> qwebirc15431: it didn't, it's scanning the host's network traffic
[10:48] <ppf> i know. we could blame the schools for not teaching security basics or something
[10:48] <duncan213> blackflow: why wuldn't they be protective ?
[10:48] <qwebirc15431> so you guys saying it is a false error then
[10:48] <ppf> duncan213: they fundamentally can't be
[10:49] <qwebirc15431> I'm not using an Av at home and have used linux for like 6-7 years, so i don't trust them either
[10:49] <duncan213> ppf, how is that ?
[10:49] <qwebirc15431> just wanted to make sure
[10:49] <ppf> duncan213: they detect only _known_ viruses. which can't infect you because you've kept your software up to date and closed any security holes
[10:49] <oerheks> qwebirc15431, yes, the odd thing is: you are the first one, o the other hand, we should take this serious, but it is unlikely
[10:49] <ppf> and if it 's one of those that you actively have to click on, well that's on you
[10:50] <duncan213> ppf, true but this is the purpose of viru writers they write up to date versions of viruses
[10:50] <ppf> duncan213: as a tradeof, they increase the attack surface of the system by factor a million. the AV is a priviledged process that _opens every file_
[10:50] <blackflow> duncan213: they somewhat are, in theory, but in practice they cause more trouble, especially when they MITM encrypted connections.
[10:51] <ppf> duncan213: if they update the virus than the AV can't detect it again
[10:51] <duncan213> ppf: yes
[10:51] <duncan213> what i wanted to say was that
[10:52] <blackflow> ppf: and in fact, wasn't it Avast that not long ago had a few CVEs itself?
[10:52] <ppf> the one reasonable scenario where it might help is where a trusted source get's infected. such has the windows update store or something. but i'd consider that so unlikely that it doesn't outweigh the insane security compromise you have to accept
[10:52] <ppf> blackflow: yes. all of them had
[10:52] <tomreyn> https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/3ee2903ce5258430f1e91202cf2a5e14e62d78ed30204dd64f1c203e44464b7b/detection
[10:53] <qwebirc15431> Thanks for ansvering my q, maybe it is something new in avast, i've instaleld 18.04 on this PC couple of times before
[10:53] <ppf> the one that so far has come out winning is actually windows defender
[10:53] <blackflow> qwebirc15431: Avast is the worst of the lot
[10:53] <ppf> because it doesn't try to parse a lot of files
[10:53] <blackflow> windows defender got a lot beter, and in Win10 is the recommended protection actually.   and..... Holy offtopic Batman!  ;)
[10:53] <ppf> they had a CVE in a scripting engine couple months ago, but that was the first and only one in some time :)
[10:54] <ppf> yeah, my bad
[10:55] <qwebirc15431> have a nice day guys, hope my problem don't affect anyone, bye
[10:55] <REQUIEM8> Hi
[11:03] <Xsisec> Hello guys I am dualboting with windows 10 and debian, suddendly after I have opened the ext4 file system from windows with a shitty tool, suddenly then when I start my ubuntu it get into emergency mode. It feels like its about the mount/unmount thing_ now I am here from a debian live with usb. could someone please help me out?
[11:03] <Xsisec> this is how my disks looks like inside qparted --> http://i.imgur.com/Npp3VgT.png
[11:03] <ppf> Xsisec: #debian likely can
[11:04] <ppf> Xsisec: we don't know anything about debian though :)
[11:09] <oerheks> ext4 driver in windows.. the horror
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:13] <blackflow> o/
[11:26] <fSharp> thank you for your help, bye!
[11:35] <duncan213> !find one piece 1080
[11:41] <tomreyn> !warez | duncan213
[11:42] <duncan213> tomreyn: sorry i just typed the wrong command on the wrong chat
[11:43] <unique_id> LOL
[11:43] <duncan213> it was ment for another channel
[11:44] <ppf> !o4
[11:44] <ppf> what's o4o
[11:44] <tomreyn> duncan213: alright. i don't think there are / should be any such channels on freenode, but maybe you just mixed up networks
[11:45] <duncan213> no it was on rizon and it's xdcc
[11:45] <tomreyn> ppf: what makes you inquire about it?
[11:45] <ppf> the warez factoid
[11:45] <duncan213> i was searching for an anime "one piece"
[11:50] <tomreyn> well, it's OT here anyways
[12:13] <dellTabletUser> Hello. First time here, I hope I understood the rules. I tried Ubuntu 18.04 (and Fedora) on my Dell Venue 11 Pro 7139 tablet and the touchscreen sadly does not work (from the live USB. Full install untested, but I did try a full install of Fedora 28 which also has the same problem). Where can I go with this issue? Can I edit some files to get it functioning, or does it likely require kernel patching? Thank you
[12:16] <oerheks> this is a general idea from linlap http://www.linlap.com/dell_venue_11_pro , where the wifi will not work,  Intel Dual Band Wireless-N 7260
[12:21] <dellTabletUser> I had a look at that linlap site before. The wifi works on my model. 7139 i5 vpro. The touchscreen however is not working unlike other places on the internet saying the contrary.
[12:21] <oerheks> yes, i am reading that too now, this one is fixed.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1354598
[12:22] <oerheks> some say from kernel 4.4 and up
[12:22] <oerheks> but 18.04 comes with 4.15, so that should be good
[12:23] <dellTabletUser> I thought >4.4 should be good unless a change that fixed it was reverted for some reason.
[12:26] <dellTabletUser> I should be clearer. Only touch input from the touchscreen is not occuring.
[12:33] <partofthelegion> hello there, I have a lenovo legion Y520 laptop and I am having troubles with dual boot, after a couple of times I managed to install it finally but it just hangs after 2 minutes in average
[12:33] <partofthelegion> I tried to install 18.04
[12:34] <partofthelegion> did anyone experience this problem? I tried googling, changed RSI to AHCI and it didn't help, disabled secured boot it didn't help, nothing really seems to help
[12:36] <kurt-xubuntu> only one thing to do rent a circus cannon
[12:38] <dellTabletUser> I have found the bug report related to my 7139 problem. I'll leave now. Thank you.
[12:39] <kurt-xubuntu> i was just kidding
[12:40] <kurt-xubuntu> partofthelegion sometimes when you run into install issues like that its just simpler to try a diferent distro see if the computer likes it better
[12:41] <kurt-xubuntu> and try running from a live dvd or thumbdrive before installing
[12:42] <partofthelegion> okay thanks
[12:42] <kurt-xubuntu> if its not stable running off the live disk its going to give you issues when you install it
[12:43] <kurt-xubuntu> try one of the flavors of mint there are three to choose from
[12:43] <kurt-xubuntu> try all three
[12:43] <kurt-xubuntu> try xubuntu
[12:44] <oerheks> kurt-xubuntu, please do not suggest mint, thanks
[12:44] <kurt-xubuntu> costs you nothing but a bit of download time
[12:44] <kurt-xubuntu> sorry
[12:44] <oerheks> it is called trolling, as mint is not supported here
[12:45] <kurt-xubuntu> sorry
[12:46] <oerheks> partofthelegion, tons of howto's about installing on that yoga, but make sure you have an updated uefi bios
[12:49] <syntaxx> I am trying to install lvm via preseed. however, whenever I come to partition disk it says unable to install on the logical volume because it is also consist of physical volume on other device. how can I fix it?
[13:11] <tekisui> hello
[13:11] <tekisui> how can i solve this ?
[13:11] <tekisui> Failed to find module 'vhba'
[13:12] <noni> i have issue with nvidia GeForce 9600 GT and ubuntu-mate [16, 18.04] i have tried a lot of drivers but non of those works [304, 340..etc]
[13:13] <tekisui> perhaps 16.04 version works
[13:13] <tekisui> lts
[13:13] <tekisui> well more tinkering :D
[13:14] <tekisui> keeps a man away from the streets
[13:20] <jk^> Do it exist a graphical software for ghostscript?
[13:20] <jk^> *does...
[13:21] <sipior> jk^: yes, try "gs".
[13:22] <jk^> how?
[13:22] <jk^> !gs
[13:22] <jk^> ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gs
[13:23] <sipior> jk^: in your terminal: "sudo apt install ghostscript-x". and then "gs".
[13:27] <jk^> what does -x mean?
[13:27] <jk^> sipior ?
[13:29] <jk^> sipior ghostscript is already istalled
[13:41] <sipior> jk^: i just checked, and only the plain ghostscript package should be necessary. /usr/bin/gs should be available to you.
[13:41] <jk^> ok
[13:41] <jk^> sipior, but how to use it?
[13:42] <jk^> i need graphic softwar
[13:42] <jk^> i did many trouble by terminal commands, i'm not very well to use terminale
[13:43] <elfranne> I am having some issues with screen flickering sometimes... any idea where to start ?
[13:43] <sipior> jk^: it has a very nice man page. try "man gs".
[13:44] <jk^> man gs?
[13:44] <jk^> terminal?
[13:44] <jk^> i don't understand :(
[13:44] <oerheks> jk ghostscript does not need a gui, that ghostscript-x is a plugin for pdf support
[13:45] <jk^> it doesn't need a gui, i need it
[13:45] <jk^> i'm not good to use terminal commands
[13:45] <jk^> ok, in repository i can't find "ghostscript-x"
[13:46] <chris___> Hello , I'm moving a file with greek letters inside to an ubuntu server with FTP and but when I'm trying to read it , shows bad chars. Why can I do ?
[13:46] <jk^> sipior did u mean https://linux.die.net/man/1/gs ?
[13:46] <oerheks> install synaptic, a more detailed softwarecenter, softwarecenter only shows metapackages
[13:46] <jk^> i already have synaptic
[13:46] <jk^> i can't find ghostscript-x in synaptic
[13:47] <oerheks> !info ghostscript-x
[13:51] <chriiis> How can I read greek characters in ubuntu ?
[13:53] <ppf> take a greek class?
[13:53] <ppf> what do you mean by read
[13:54] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-gr
[13:55] <chriiis> ppf: haha  I'm writing greek chars to a file with notepad++ from windows and when I'm moving it to an ubuntu server through FTP , chars are unreadable..
[13:56] <oerheks> oh, not an ubuntu issue, wrong charset
[13:56] <oerheks> utf8
[13:56] <chriiis> what do I need to do ? I made a change to the locale  el_GR.UTF-8 but still the same
[13:58] <oerheks> this seems a usable manual: notepad__ .. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/132318/how-do-i-correct-the-character-encoding-of-a-file
[13:58] <oerheks> its menu has convert
[13:58] <oerheks> Encoding -> "Encode in UTF-8"
[14:02] <chriiis> oerheks: when I do 'file' it says that encoding is already utf8
[14:08] <Drego_UP> Hi guys ;)
[14:11] <jk^> excuse me
 oerheks ghostcript-x is already installed
 but how can i open it?
[14:11] <jk^> i need a grahic solution
 "ghostscript is command line only program""
[14:21] <blackflow> jk^: I don't think one exists, at least I've never heard of a gs GUI
[14:25] <SeTunTun> hello. I use ubuntu 14.04. I noticed that I have no sound in my heraphones.
[14:25] <tarzeau> alsamixer says what on the output?
[14:25] <tarzeau> i'd strongly recommend to upgrade to 16.04 or 18.04
[14:25] <SeTunTun> I have another ubuntu machine and the headphones work great. Is there any solution?
[14:26] <tarzeau> the other ubuntu is also 14.04 ?
[14:26] <SeTunTun> also 14.04.
[14:27] <SeTunTun> I don't know about alsamixer
[14:27] <easyOnMe> what is the terminal command to enable the changes you make in sites-available to be implemented in sites-enabled
[14:27] <jk^> ok blackflow do u know software to do what i need? I need to reduce pdf's dimension...
[14:27] <defa0lt> quick python question, in sorting a list, how do these two keys differ: key=lambda x: (x[0], x[1], x[2]) key=itemgetter(0,1,2)
[14:28] <oerheks> defa0lt, run quick to #python
[14:29] <defa0lt> oerheks, re-registering my nick now
[14:29] <aniket> where is the store
[14:30] <oerheks> aniket, can you be more clear? what store?
[14:30] <toaderas> What's up with Chromium and widevine (DRM) in 18.04 ? That is no longer there if you install Chrome on the side
[14:31] <aniket> the ubuntu store on the desktop
[14:31] <padarc> easyOnMe, a2ensite <yoursite>
[14:31] <easyOnMe> padarc: but I only have one file that contains several subdomains together with its main domain
[14:32] <easyOnMe> using ssl cert
[14:32] <oerheks> aniket, type store in search, or scroll through all programms
[14:32] <muflihin> hi?
[14:32] <aniket> Thanks Andy
[14:34] <SeTunTun> any idea?
[14:36] <aniket> guys i am on ubuntu mate
[14:36] <aniket> sorry for not saying
[14:37] <oerheks> aniket, oh that explains; it is called boutique, software boutique
[14:37] <oerheks> mate has its own name
[14:38] <oerheks> i would still install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter
[14:39] <aniket> where dose it get put in the menu
[14:40] <oerheks> it seems to have a coat hanger https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/ubuntu-mate-17-04-lands-with-mate-1-18-desktop-brisk-menu-updated-components-514870-8.jpg
[14:43] <blackflow> jk^: you can edit -- more like import and re-export -- single page PDF in Inkscape, but I don't know of a gui tool dedicated for (multi page) PDF editing.
[14:47] <Exterminador> hello guys. is there any web management system for Ubuntu, other than webmin? I've been searching around but seems there's none official
[14:48] <leftyfb> Exterminador: why do you need it?
[14:49] <blackflow> well there's Landscape, but that's general system/service/container management, not specifically shared-host oriented like webmin
[14:49] <Exterminador> well, I found easier to manage databases via web interface than command line, especially PostgreSQL
[14:49] <leftyfb> Exterminador: do you want an interface for PostgreSQL, not necessarily all services
[14:49] <blackflow> Exterminador: for that you can install only phpPgAdmin (but don't put it on a public URL)
[14:49] <leftyfb> do/so*
[14:50] <leftyfb> Exterminador: though I would highly encourage getting better at managing your DB's without a web interface
[14:52] <amirite> Hi all. I just got a new laptop and put linux on it. Suspend and hibernate were working out of the box, but would cause a suspend loop (i.e. suspend again after 30 seconds into the session after resuming a session). I eventually fixed that, but now my power management is messed up in that I can't get linux to acknowledge a laptop lid close event
[14:53] <Exterminador> yeah, I should. but the syntaxes aren't exactly noob friendly
[14:53] <amirite> thus I dont suspend automatically. evtest tells me that "Lid Switch" is /dev/input/event0. I can watch that event through evtest or by catting it and I do not get any event by closing the lid
[14:53] <amirite> does anyone have any suggestions?
[14:58] <leftyfb> Exterminador: running and managing production PostgreSQL databases shouldn't be done by "noobs"
[15:03] <Spork_Laptop> hello all.
[15:03] <Spork_Laptop> has anyone else noticed that ubuntu-software no longer shows categories?
[15:04] <Spork_Laptop> i noticed that this may affect only some people and dates back to 2016?
[15:04] <oerheks> sure it does
[15:04] <Spork_Laptop> not for me :(
[15:05] <Spork_Laptop> i wished there was a way i could fix it
[15:09] <easyOnMe> sorry folks
[15:09] <easyOnMe> is this the channel of ubuntu apache
[15:09] <oerheks> Spork_Laptop, there seems to be no option to hide those, remove .local/share.gnome-software and .cache/gnome-software  and restart softwarecenter
[15:10] <oerheks> easyOnMe,  for apache there is #ubuntu-server too
[15:10] <Spork_Laptop> ok gimme a second ty
[15:12] <Spork_Laptop> no dice :(
[15:12] <Spork_Laptop> brb gonna restart
[15:12] <oerheks> with dconf /org/gnome/desktop/notifications/application/org-gnome-software/ there is no setting, also
[15:12] <oerheks> reinstall gnome-softwarecenter perhaps?
[15:14] <dptc> Hi there, I uninstalled Wine but the icons for a wine-install program remain. Is there a way of removing them (and the icons within the application menu)?
[15:15] <blackflow> dptc: OTOH, perhaps remove ~/.local/share/applications/wine* .desktop files?
[15:15] <easyOnMe> oerheks: ok thanks
[15:15] <easyOnMe> I think that is what I am looking for
[15:17] <dptc> blackflow: that was my thought too but there are now wine .desktop files in that directory, which is puzzling...
[15:17] <blackflow> dptc: look into /usr/share/applications/  for any lingering ones, but those should be removed with the package
[15:17] <blackflow> dptc: or maybe you just need to restart/recache the desktop
[15:18] <dptc> blackflow: do you know how to restart/recache desktop off the top of your head? I did restart but to no avail.
[15:19] <blackflow> dptc: alt-f2 and r,  for gnome shell. but if you restarted the whole computer, it should've removed it too.    does this return anything?   find ~/ -type f -name '*wine*'  ?
[15:19] <Spork_Laptop> ok im back
[15:20] <Spork_Laptop> oerheks what did hyou say about dconf?
[15:20] <oerheks> with dconf /org/gnome/desktop/notifications/application/org-gnome-software/ there is no setting, also
[15:20] <oerheks> reinstall gnome-softwarecenter perhaps?
[15:20] <dptc> blackflow: yes! it does. is it same to do a sweeping rm on these files?
[15:20] <Spork_Laptop> i did that too
[15:21] <blackflow> dptc: not sure what you're asking
[15:21] <Spork_Laptop> this is super frustrating
[15:21] <dptc> blackflow: despite wine being uninstall, the command you've given me has unearthed a number of files associated with wine. would it be okay to delete all of these?
[15:22] <Drego_UP> Guys, when it is released on 18.04.01? Has the date already been defined?
[15:22] <oerheks> dptc, uninstalling wine does not remove the ~/.wine folder, hidden
[15:22] <blackflow> dptc: I don't know. it's for you to decide whether these files belong to wine or not. afaik, installing stuff in wine would result with a .desktop file created under ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/,   so those should be safe to remove. I don't know what else you've got. perhaps pastebin?
[15:23] <blackflow> dptc: and what oerheks just said too, about ~/.wine/
[15:23] <dptc> blackflow: https://pastebin.com/9PvQb55z
[15:24] <Spork_Laptop> btw oerheks when i tried running dconf  /org/gnome/desktop/notifications/application/org-gnome-software/ it says unknown command  /org/gnome/desktop/notifications/application/org-gnome-software/
[15:24] <ash_worksi> keeping with FHS, what directory would you compile programs to?
[15:25] <blackflow> dptc: I'd guess those are safe to remove. I'd personally remove them if I were you and I just uninstalled WINE.
[15:25] <ash_worksi> I guess /usr/local/bin ?
[15:26] <dptc> blackflow: is there a way to adapt the line of code you wrote to delete those instances of wine that it found?
[15:27] <oerheks> Spork_Laptop,  install dconf-editor first?
[15:27] <oerheks> and it is a gui
[15:27] <Spork_Laptop> oh sorry, thansk :)
[15:28] <Spork_Laptop> it also doesnt show all the installed software i have, and i've only seen like a handfull of other people with this problem, but the answer is always something like "its a bug" but no solution
[15:28] <blackflow> dptc: find has  -delete option  so just append that.... MAKING SURE that's really what you wanna delete.
[15:29] <blackflow> dptc: I have to warn, NO SUDO!
[15:29] <dptc> blackflow: thanks for the heads up on sudo
[15:29] <ioria> locate wine
[15:30] <oerheks> blackflow, maybe he needs just sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoremove
[15:30] <blackflow> oerheks: I don't know
[15:32] <slowing> guys, i was wondering if i could boot into ubuntu automatically (dual boot with windows 10) depending on the condition that some usb is plugged into a port. I imagine that the solution involves some kind of grub coding (maybe?)...
[15:34] <slowing> just confirmed whether there was someone named "guys" :)
[15:38] <dptc> blackflow: got there in the end! thank you for all your help with this, really appriciate it!
[15:38] <blackflow> dptc: yw
[15:40] <dptc> blackflow: it's amazing how much more of a userbase ubuntu has and even still, large corporations cannot be bothered to develop a linux-compatible application
[15:40] <Raybih> Interpretatio Christiana
[15:40] <dptc> suppose it isn't in there interest given the majority of the market is Windows or OS X
[15:41] <kaushal> Hi
[15:41] <slowing> kaushal, hi
[15:41] <kaushal> Are there any AMI instances to spawn Ubuntu desktop in AWS?
[15:41] <kaushal> slowing: Hi
[15:41] <kaushal> I mean community AMI's
[15:46] <slowing> hmm... after posting a question in this channel, after how long can i repost it so that i can gather more attention to it?
[15:50] <blackflow> dptc: depends on the applications in question and what their userbase usually is.
[15:50] <Rumen> Hello
[15:51] <Rumen> someone familiar with Nvidia?
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> !ask Rumen
[15:51] <dptc> blackflow: true
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> !ask
[15:52] <SystemParadox> Can anyone help explain to me how the 'asm' directory works when compiling kernel modules? I have a 3rd party module here which builds fine on Ubuntu 16.04, gcc 5.4.0, but with Ubuntu 18.04, gcc 7.3.0 it is unable to include <asm/linkage.h>
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: Please keep all discussion in the main channel. It allows everyone to see the solution and allows other people to assist and verify advice provided is accurate. I also do not accept Private/Direct messages.
[15:55] <blackflow> SystemParadox: the third party module should be compatible with the kernel version you're building against. I'm guessing files changed with newer kernels and that file is no longer there. what is it, btw?
[15:56] <oerheks> he is answered in ##linux
[15:56] <oerheks> crossposters, bleeh
[15:56] <blackflow> ah.
[15:57] <Rumen> I wanted to change the card NVS300 with GT730 - but NVS300 uses driver Nvidia-340, when I changed the cards with GT730 the driver changed to Nvidia-390 and some applications freeze the whole computer like Google maps ... strage, but - YES I retuned the NVS 300 but again I have a problem - I can install and use only Xorg driver and I can't change the driver to Nvidia 340 - return automaticaly to Xorg.
[15:58] <Rumen> I got error's like "Error parsing lines in Nvidia-settings" and some Kernel modules.
[15:58] <Rumen> I tried to uninstall - purge the whole Nvidia - nothing happens
[15:58] <Rumen> same result.
[15:59] <blackflow> Rumen: if I were you, I'd purge all nvidia packages, reboot so in-kernel's nouveau takes over (making sure there's nothing nvidia proprietary involved), then install nvidia-driver-390, reboot.
[15:59] <petro> can't upgrade as usual....ubuntu versions get worse every change
[15:59] <blackflow> assuming of course, nouveau is insufficient for you.
[15:59] <petro> even the writeups on it suck....i.e. are useless
[15:59] <Rumen> I did it - same result.  Do not discourage others from receiving help
[16:00] <Rumen> I used "sudo apt purge nvidia-*" than sudo apt clear, then sudo update, the reboot the insstall 390  .... and nothing
[16:00] <kaushal> Hi
[16:00] <petro> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028949/why-am-i-not-getting-the-ubuntu-18-04-upgrade
[16:01] <petro> really buggy pos
[16:01] <oerheks> 18.04 will be available when 18.04.1 comes out, end of this month
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> petro: This is a family friendly channel, please clean up the language
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | petro
[16:01] <oerheks> this is normal, for *any* LTS release
[16:01] <kaushal> I have setup ubuntu remote desktop and installed vncserver but the screen is black when using vnc viewer
[16:01] <kaushal> Any clue?
[16:02] <Rumen> Basicaly I want to change the card with the GT730 - but how to install the driver properly so applications like Google maps will not freeze the whole computer?
[16:02] <petro> not being able to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 is normal?  really?
[16:02] <blackflow> petro: are you even sure you're upgrading to 18.04. it's not possible at the moment, it'll toss you over to 18.10 which is ALPHA grade
[16:02] <oerheks> 17.10 users all have the update notification in updates
[16:03] <blackflow> oerheks: for 18.04?
[16:03] <oerheks> to 18.04, yes
[16:03] <ducasse> petro: what does the 'Prompt' line say in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades?
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> petro: without know everything taht you have done to your machine, it's impossible to know what is causing an issue. If you have 3rd party PPAs enabled, installed software from outside the Ubuntu package managers, or compiled something directly on your machine can all impact the ability to use the automated upgrade scripts to move from one version to the next
[16:03] <blackflow> are you sure? iirc, it stopped being the case when 18.10 became available as alpha/beta
[16:03] <petro> this was released in APRIL
[16:04] <leftyfb> petro: it was not released as an upgrade as of yet
[16:04] <dptc> I've only recently moved to 18.04, installed on an xps 13 but some of the application scaling for the 4k screen is a bit iffy
[16:04] <oerheks> time to run apt full-upgrade
[16:04] <petro> I didn't do anything to the machine... I know the updates for 17.10 are done this thurs so I thought I'd upgrade now
[16:04] <oerheks> leftyfb, i have it in my update screen
[16:04] <easyOnMe> oerheks: how do I clear the nautilus of my password for ssh connection to a live server
[16:04] <petro> I have a nvidia card so I am worried about what that means
[16:05] <leftyfb> oerheks: that's new ... thought it wasn't for another week
[16:05] <Rumen> is it true that nvidia-396 is better than nvidia-390? I saw in one site that nvidia-390 have some bug?
[16:05] <petro> it seems every upgrade, run into issues due to the 3rd party apps (ppa) but I am not even at that stage yet
[16:05] <blackflow> Rumen: well, in my case (GTX960) yes. Gnome was very crashy with 390 until I installed 396 from the graphics PPA.
[16:05] <oerheks> oh, i see it for weeks now.. https://imgur.com/a/QylrYRd
[16:05] <ducasse> petro: please answer my question above
[16:06] <blackflow> oerheks: petro: then I stand corrected, my apologies for misinfo.
[16:07] <oerheks> updates "for any new version'
[16:08] <ducasse> oerheks: yes, i'm thinking he has it set to lts
[16:08] <petro> ducasse, prompt=normal
[16:08] <ducasse> petro: ok, are you sure you are fully up to date?
[16:08] <petro> oerheks, checked that... it's already set for "for any new version'
[16:09] <petro> I receive the msg, no new updates
[16:09] <petro> but, the upgrade is supposed to be about 30 min to an hr at least
[16:09] <oerheks> again, time to run apt full-upgrade
[16:10] <oerheks> and ppas will be disabled, so that could not been an issue before
[16:11] <SystemParadox> Are there any known issues with building kernel modules on 18.04? I'm trying to build a 3rd party module which uses the /lib/modules/[version]/build/Makefile, but I'm getting an error in "include/linux/linkage.h" trying to include <asm/linkage.h>. Either I'm missing a symlink or something isn't adding the asm directory to the include path.
[16:12] <blackflow> SystemParadox: you were answered. and if you're asking the same question in multiple channels, please don't.
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> SystemParadox: This isn't the right channel for those questions. This is for support of ready to install packages from the Ubuntu package channels... You need to find the Ubuntu developement channel
[16:14] <SystemParadox> ok sorry
[16:14] <oerheks> indeed, if you are the writer of that module
[16:15] <SystemParadox> I'm not
[16:18] <SystemParadox> hmm. perhaps I have not made myself clear. I believe there is an issue with 18.04. I do not believe the issue is within the module I am trying to build. There's something wrong with either the linux-kernel-headers include tree or the kernel build files
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> SystemParadox: This is still not the right channel ... You need to go to the development channels for ubuntu
[16:18] <leftyfb> SystemParadox: try #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel
[16:19] <SystemParadox> ok
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> Thanks leftyfb
[16:19] <oerheks>  gcc 5.4.0 to gcc 7.3.0 issue.. or contact the writer of the module
[16:20] <easyOnMe> anyone here knows how to clear the nautilus of the password used to connect to a live server
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> easyOnMe: The password is stored in the Gnome Keyring, you will have to open the keyring and fing the entry to remove it
[16:21] <oerheks> easyOnMe, that would be stored in keys&passwords ( seahorse)
[16:22] <easyOnMe> oerheks: no I already checked using seahorse found nothing
[16:22] <leftyfb> easyOnMe: "live server"?
[16:23] <easyOnMe> leftyfb: to an online server
[16:23] <easyOnMe> like a droplet
[16:23] <leftyfb> easyOnMe: what type of server? ssh?
[16:23] <easyOnMe> ssh
[16:23] <easyOnMe> yes
[16:23] <easyOnMe> I used nautilus it worked fine until I accidentally save password forever
[16:23] <leftyfb> easyOnMe: I am not aware of seahorse caching passwords for ssh accounts. Passphrases for ssh keys maybe.
[16:23] <easyOnMe> now I cannot key in a new password for a different user
[16:24] <easyOnMe> no I do not need that
[16:24] <easyOnMe> those are for terminals
[16:24] <easyOnMe> I want to use the nautilus to log in to a new user account with higher privileges problem is nautilus keeps on using the old user's password so new user cannot log in
[16:25] <leftyfb> easyOnMe: How are you trying to connect exactly?
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> easyOnMe: Try using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>format
[16:25] <easyOnMe> using the connect to server feature
[16:25] <leftyfb> easyOnMe: ok, so you're mounting a directory via sshfs
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> easyOnMe: Press Ctrl + L on the folder window and try that address format
[16:26] <easyOnMe> leftyfb: yes
[16:28] <phinxy> Is the minimal Ubuntu a new thing?
[16:28] <leftyfb> phinxy: yes
[16:29] <phinxy> The "minimal ubuntu" for my singleboard computer isnt the official then?
[16:30] <oerheks> minimal option in the regular installer, is new yes
[16:30] <leftyfb> phinxy: huh?
[16:31] <FurretUber1> When I hibernate my notebook, GRUB2 acts as if the shutdown was unsuccessful, taking 30 seconds to choose an option, even while it restores the system correctly after hibernation
[16:31] <oerheks> the mini iso is older https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> phinxy: If you are installing to a personal computer (laptop/desktop) the minimal Ubuntu install is not the right version.
[16:31] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that might not always be an accurate assumption
[16:32] <oerheks> minimal iso / minimal option
[16:32] <phinxy> pragmaticenigma• You can't stop me
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> mini iso is not the same is the Minimal Ubuntu. Mini ISO is primaryily for network installations
[16:33] <leftyfb> phinxy: What exactly can we help you with?
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> phinxy: I can't, but the way you are phrasing, gave me the impression you might be new to Ubuntu and are possibly looking at the wrong edition.
[16:34] <phinxy> Has someone compiled the differences between minimal, mini iso and standard Ubuntu?
[16:35] <leftyfb> phinxy: they are completely different ways to install ubuntu
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> There is no reason to compile a difference list, Ubuntu documentation already explains the differences and purpose for each one
[16:35] <leftyfb> phinxy: they are not comparable
[16:35] <leftyfb> phinxy: what exactly do you need help with?
[16:35] <oerheks> polling for homework :-D
[16:38] <phinxy> leftyfb• I wanted to know if the Ubuntu I'm running is official or what else could it be?
[16:39] <leftyfb> phinxy: did you download the installer from ubuntu.com?
[16:40] <oerheks> singleboad computer, is that arm ..
[16:40] <phinxy> leftyfb• No.
[16:40] <leftyfb> phinxy: where did you get it?
[16:44] <phinxy> From a repository created by a person which is supported by the vendor of the arm64 board
[16:44] <leftyfb> phinxy: then no, it's more than likely not official. Not sure why you would think otherwise
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> phinxy: The only official releases of ubuntu are found at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ ... if it doesn't come from an Ubuntu.com domain, it is not official. It also is not supported on this channel.
[16:46] <Rumen> blackflow:   In this case do you see the driver as "manualy installed" and the program Nvidia from the menu doesn't appear?
[16:46] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: There are official mirrors
[16:47] <blackflow> Rumen: what menu?
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> releases.ubuntu.com leftyfb handles that automatically.
[16:47] <Rumen> Another question - can I install some older driver, which is known as stable? And how to find which is?
[16:48] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: http://mirrors.mit.edu/ubuntu-cdimage/   <~~~ official mirror
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: Run the following command and paste the results to paste.ubuntu.com: lshw -c video
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: This isn't the right place for this discussion
[16:50] <Rumen> This one https://ibb.co/jPnDWy
[16:50] <ppf> pragmaticenigma: sure it is
[16:51] <ppf> you're overdoing it with the gatekeeping :)
[16:51] <Rumen> Here you are
[16:51] <Rumen> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sfb2m52JWr/
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: You are currently running on the nouveau (open source) nvidia driver.
[16:52] <blackflow> Rumen: sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.
[16:54] <Rumen> I can't run the Nvidia driver only nouveau
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: which means you have successfully remove the nvidia drivers or configured the system to use the OpenSource driver. So I think the next step would be shut down the machine, remove the older card and install the newer card and see if you are still experiencing issues. Right?
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: The nvidiia driver will only run if it is installed.
[16:55] <Rumen> This is the problem it can't be installed
[16:55] <Rumen> give errors
[16:57] <blackflow> Rumen: what are the errors?
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: was the screengrab earlier from when it was installed??? or is that under the currently running system
[16:58] <blackflow> btw, that lshw is different from the nvidia-settings screenshot, that's not the same card
[16:58] <Rumen> This one
[16:58] <Rumen> https://ibb.co/mE22PJ
[16:58] <Rumen> And couple of Kernel module errors
[16:58] <blackflow> Rumen: can you run nvidia-settings from the command line?
[17:00] <Rumen> No - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DTNwMXR8tk/
[17:01] <blackflow> Rumen: and what happens when you install the nvidia-driver-390 package (Assuming Ubuntu 18.04)?
[17:02] <p1l0t> My /boot is full. I'm on the 4.13 kernel but I can't remove 4.4 because it says 4.128 has unmet depencies or something...
[17:02] <Rumen> Yes ubuntu 18.04 - give errors and when run only the xorg driver
[17:03] <Rumen> if by any chanse I succeed to run it - it freeze the computer when I start some applications
[17:03] <blackflow> Rumen: what errors would those be? can you reboot with the proprietary driver installed, and save /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere, if xorg doesn't start, then pastebin it
[17:03] <blackflow> Rumen: also, did you try the v396 from the graphics PPA?
[17:03] <Rumen> When the nvidia run the procesors goes to 90% ... and I have 8 - not normal
[17:04] <Rumen> yes I try also PPA
[17:04] <Rumen> same result
[17:05] <Rumen> I think I have some problem in the Kernel module at the moment I have to fix it first before I make fresh instalation - but how to check and how to fix?
[17:06] <seizo> im trying to install ubuntu 18.04 server on an apu2c4 board, how would i go about this over a serial connection? gfx fails to load
[17:07] <blackflow> Rumen: well you'd have to check dmesg and Xorg.0.log for any hints on what's going on with the nvidia module
[17:13] <topdownjimmy> I did a dist-upgrade recently and may have rushed through the prompts asking me about modifying config files a little too quickly. Is there a way to see which config files were changed during upgrade?
[17:18] <blackflow> topdownjimmy: find /etc/ -type f -mtime -X     where X is the number of hours, or less, of the file modification timestamp. so if you upgraded in the past hour or so, use   -mtime -1
[17:19] <blackflow> topdownjimmy: that finds files modified in that time frame, not directly answer to your question, though.
[17:19] <topdownjimmy> blackflow: Thanks
[17:20] <topdownjimmy> Yeah like I wish there were a way to show the 3-way diff of all the config files I was offered an option on
[17:24] <Anticom> Hey. I'm desperatly trying to create a bootable thumb drive. (I'm on Xenial) I first tried usb-creator-gtk which didn't work and left my thumb drive mangled. After some fiddling i got it fixed and tried unetbootin but it failed as well
[17:24] <boernd> \join #froscon-orga clubmate23
[17:26] <Anticom> Oh and i tried two different thumb drives to make sure it's not the drive's fault
[17:27] <Anticom> Any ideas what steps to take next?
[17:32] <compdoc> Anticom, finding the right program to write to a usb stick can be difficult
[17:33] <p1l0t> exit
[17:34] <Anticom> compdoc: i just don't get why cannonical won't fix their tool of choice...
[17:34] <oerheks> rufus/etcher for windows, dd for mac and linux
[17:34] <Anticom> oerheks: can i simply dd an ISO?
[17:35] <compdoc> it must work with some things. I just now tried to write an OS iso file to usb, and it wont boot
[17:35] <Anticom> well i want to get bionic beaver on the damn drive :D
[17:35] <Anticom> and i would expect it to work there
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> Anticom: It's necassarily the tool. Lots of people use that tool and have not had any issues. It could also be the USB at fault, so much as they're not able to be boot from. Cheap/free thumb drives often do not work for me to boot from
[17:36] <Anticom> pragmaticenigma: well i tried two different drives by two different manufacturers
[17:36] <compdoc> have you tried Startup Disk Creator?
[17:36] <oerheks> sure, the iso is redy for usb, sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sd? bs=4M status=progress
[17:36] <Anticom> oerheks: +1
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> Anticom: and it's entirely possible both have the same internals. Lots of companies sell each other's chipsets and chips
[17:37] <Anticom> oerheks: what about sync etc. once it's finnished?
[17:38] <Anticom> pragmaticenigma: wouldn't say that san disk is one of the cheap ones
[17:39] <oerheks> sync is a good idea, it does nothing more actually than normal waiting until the prompt appears
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: i never had a faulty usb yet with ubuntu's disk creator
[17:40] <oerheks> and progress should say enough
[17:40] <Anticom> oerheks: terminal ftw :)
[17:40] <oerheks> all problems i see, are unpatient users, installing nvidia, that could take some time, too
[17:45] <texla> How to blank dvd-rw
[17:45] <Rumen> This is the result from the  journalctl   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cxShM3yG7v/
[17:46] <oerheks> texla, sure that option is to find in the dvd writing tool
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: do you have a nvidia-340xx driver in your ubuntu-drivers list ?
[17:47] <xet7> texla: install brasero or k3b , and use menu option
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> !burn | texla
[17:48] <texla> oerheks, tried brasero and only wiped 1500 mb off the disc
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: seems like 390 is ignoring your card
[17:48] <oerheks> oh, so you know the answer. i am off
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:51] <Rumen> yes NVS 300 should run 340
[17:52] <Rumen> but 340 give error during instalation and crash
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: have you tried switch from GUI additional drivers section?
[17:52] <Rumen> Yes - automatically returns to Xorg
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: could you hastebin: ubuntu-drivers list please?
[17:53] <Rumen> I click on 340  .... it asks password and after minute return to Xorg
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: wich ubuntu version is that again?
[17:56] <Rumen> Here you are https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wFwXnNjn4C/
[17:56] <Rumen> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: pastebin us what happens when: sudo apt install nvidia-340 please
[17:59] <Rumen> Error code 1   at the end  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QbbRYkRhWm/
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: oh..my russian is not so good, but did you add external ppa's?
[18:01] <Rumen> I don't remember to add such
[18:02] <Rumen> I think no
[18:02] <hfp> How do I troubleshoot a cron not running? `sudo crontab -l` lists the cron, `sudo crontab -e` saves the file just fine, and yet the cron is never run.
[18:03] <lambdoid> should I install ubuntu on my macbook pro?
[18:03] <lambdoid> or is that a bad idea?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> !mac | lambdoid
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> lambdoid: Is this your first time working with Linux or Ubuntu?
[18:04] <lambdoid> I know Ubuntu in and out
[18:04] <lambdoid> but never used it much on mac
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !cron | hfp
[18:05] <callMe_Dude> has anyone tried HEADEST music streaming app on Ubuntu????
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> lambdoid: I'd say go for it, take a look at the link ubottu posted.
[18:07] <seizo> how can i edit the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file of an ubuntu 18.04 server iso? trying to boot with a serial interface instead of anything with gfx
[18:07] <lambdoid> my mac is very recent and undocumented
[18:07] <lambdoid> it's risky
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> callMe_Dude: This channel is best for requesting support for Ubuntu. For other topics and discussion, please join the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: try this with your lib.so file: https://askubuntu.com/questions/419304/dpkg-divert-error-rename-involves-overwriting-usr-lib-xorg-protocol-txt-wit
[18:08] <oerheks> callMe_Dude, if that app is not in the repos, we don't support it, and polling is useless here
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> seizo: perhaps the #ubuntu-server guys might know a trick for that
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> lambdoid: try a liveusb?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: check also your sources.list please to doublecheck ppa's adding
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> !sources | Rumen
[18:11] <pavlos> seizo: this may help ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/924913/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time-using-serial-console
[18:11] <Rumen> many errors this is the end https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D8MNG54ch3/
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> lambdoid: I guess I'd recommend going with your gut feeling. If you're not comfortable with it, I wouldn't risk it. Though I would only thing you risk to lose is MacOS, which you can install again if you had to. Your data is backed up... right?
[18:12] <fwef> Hi, I recently bought a monitor HP Z Display z27n. When I connect it to my laptop via HDMI and USB-C to USB-A cable the display works and keyboard+mouse that are connected to the monitor work too. However, when I connect to the laptop using single USB-C to USB-C, the display works but keyboard+mouse don't. After I reboot the laptop it works until it's disconnected again. Any ideas how to fix this?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: what was your command?
[18:12] <Rumen> sudo mv /usr/lib/xorg/protocol-precise.txt /usr/lib/xorg/protocol-precise.txt.bak
[18:12] <Rumen> sudo apt-get -f install
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> seizo: I have no way to verify this information, but this github page appears to have instructions to do what you are looking for. https://github.com/ynkjm/ubuntu-serial-install
[18:13] <itstravis019> Am running 16.04 LTS The Life Time Support is 2021 and I was wondering Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will it work on my computer because everytime when I try to install a newer verison of Ubuntu after it tryes to reboot after the installation it seems like it dies likes goes into a sleep mode and the power lite turns orenge like its sleeping and it wont boot up right... I been having some troubles with it but I was researshing about it and
[18:13] <itstravis019> with the kernel I was wondering if I can install a kernel LTS Verison that is more stable
[18:13] <oerheks> itstravis019, you can add HWE
[18:13] <oerheks> !hwe
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: no...tou need to replace dir to your lib.so file
[18:17] <itstravis019> oerheks could you link me a video because am very sorry a newbie and cant read that will
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> fwef: That is a hardware issue, and isn't something that you'll be able to fix in a config file. Depending on how the monitor and the laptop do their power negotiations, it typically drops the peripherals until the monitor receives power.
[18:19] <oerheks> I have no knowledge if there is a video, itstravis019 and the few commands are pretty straight forward
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> itstravis019: There are no videos on how to install HWE support. You need to go that website for proper instructions.
[18:21] <oerheks> in one line, and reboot
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: paste us your sources.list plz?
[18:23] <fwef> pragmaticenigma, so what are my options?
[18:26] <lambdoid> I tried booting ubuntu live usb on my macbook pro
[18:26] <lambdoid> the keyboard and touchpad didn't work
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> lambdoid: and? did it work?
[18:26] <oerheks> fwef, sounds like you have to boot with usb-c connected, and be happy with that
[18:26] <lambdoid> I have a very recent macbook pro
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> lambdoid: did you read the !mac url? some tweaks might be needed
[18:26] <lambdoid> 2017 model
[18:27] <lambdoid> my mac wasn't documented
[18:27] <lambdoid> MacBookPro14,1
[18:27] <lambdoid> that's my max
[18:27] <lambdoid> max
[18:27] <lambdoid> mac
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> lambdoid: you might need this github: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux#keyboard--touchpad
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> fwef: I just told you, there is nothing you can do. You found a way that works reliably the way you want. That's all you can do.
[18:29] <lambdoid> apparently there is no way to get audio working on ubuntu on the new macs
[18:29] <lambdoid> I can't live without music
[18:29] <lambdoid> until that is fixed I won't switch to ubuntu
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like a good plan lambdoid
[18:30] <lambdoid> I love youtube marathons
[18:30] <lambdoid> need to hear it
[18:30] <blackflow> or get decent hardware, not that faux crapple stuff that's basically wintel hardware with shiny logo.
[18:31] <lambdoid> I'm back
[18:31] <lambdoid> faux crapple?
[18:32] <blackflow> yah. they sell you regular intel hardware but the price is hiked up due to the logo.
[18:32] <lambdoid> also I can't suspend or hibernate with ubuntu
[18:32] <lambdoid> on the latest macs
[18:32] <lambdoid> waste of power
[18:32] <oerheks> wait until 20.04 for proper support, too new hardware ..
[18:33] <blackflow> offtopic here tho', I was just wondering why would anyone buy that overpriced mess where keyboard stops working after some short time. and can't replace it.
[18:34] <lambdoid> you can repair it
[18:39] <ash_worksi> whats the shortest way to print just filename:number from grep output?
[18:39] <ash_worksi> oops
[18:49] <TuxBlackEdo> Hello, I am on a clean install of ubuntu 18.04, i have edited my /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml and did a "netplan apply" however netplan doesnt apply the configuration file on startup, is there something I need to be doing to make this happen?
[18:50] <nacc> TuxBlackEdo: does it apply any config?
[18:50] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,     sudo netplan --debug generate
[18:50] <TuxBlackEdo> @nacc yes
[18:51] <TuxBlackEdo> ioria: https://pastebin.com/sUmUJEtM
[18:53] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,   does  'ip a'  report correctly ethx nic names ?
[18:53] <TuxBlackEdo> ioria: yes
[18:54] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,  can you paste /etc/netplan/*.yaml ?
[18:56] <Anticom> Hi. Quick question: Is Ubuntu's first user always GID&UID 1000 ?
[18:56] <ioria> usually
[18:56] <TuxBlackEdo> ioria: https://pastebin.com/aJQsV2sD
[18:56] <Anticom> ioria: also true for bionic beaver?
[18:56] <ioria> i guess so
[18:57] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,  are you using NM or networkd ?
[18:57] <blackflow> Anticom: yes on both.
[18:57] <Anticom> great, cheers o/
[18:58] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,  i think about a conflict
[18:58] <TuxBlackEdo> ioria: network-manager is what started... i stopped it manually to get rid of dhcp
[18:58] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,  mmm, try to backup /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml
[18:59] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,  sudo systemctl stop network-manager && sudo systemctl disable network-manager
[19:00] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo,  i mean sudo mv  /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml  /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml.back
[19:01] <TuxBlackEdo> ioria: done
[19:01] <ioria> TuxBlackEdo, reboot
[19:01] <Mystic_Reverie> Does anyone know if I can play text adventures or point and click adventures on Ubuntu ?
[19:02] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: inform is in the repo, so I'd say yes
[19:03] <blackflow> TADS too.
[19:03] <Mystic_Reverie> Thanks, thats nice. I will install
[19:04] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: I'm assuming you know what those are
[19:05] <Mystic_Reverie> I've hear d of them. I think they are text adventure creators, but you can also download other peoples creations and play them
[19:06] <petro> ubuntu and 18.04 is such garbage
[19:06] <Mystic_Reverie> Really??  I like it and im not very experienced with Ubuntu
[19:06] <petro> after upgrade, it deleted some program files and messed up my keyboard settings....what a pos
[19:07] <Mystic_Reverie> Arent you supposed to back stuff up before upgrade?  I dunno
[19:07] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: they're IF specific languages and interpreters. And there's the anual IF competition so there should be A LOT of games to play.
[19:07] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: don't listen to trolls ;)
[19:07] <petro> Mystic_Reverie, that would explain it then
[19:07] <petro> I'm not a troll, just honest
[19:07] <Mystic_Reverie> Yes, I like the IF website, some imaginative people !
[19:08] <petro> it should be easy to find keyboard settings.  nope
[19:08] <petro> i can't use the shift key...ubuntu is such crap
[19:08] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: there's also SCUMM I think that's the name, for oldschool point'n'click
[19:08] <petro> i have to google search something that should be straight forward but ubuntu makes it difficult...since it's a garbage os
[19:09] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: yeah, scummvm package
[19:09] <petro> i will probably switch to debian when i build my new computer
[19:09] <blackflow> !info scummvm
[19:09] <royal_screwup21> I'm in deep trouble. I'm on ubuntu 16.04  and I accidentally clicked on a link sent by one my friends on fb. It took to me another fb page, no login or anything. However, apparently this link is a virus and my friend clicked on it and now it's being sent out of his account to his friends, without him knowing. Is there anything I can do to stop this
[19:09] <royal_screwup21>  virus from infecting me, if it hasn't already?
[19:09] <Mystic_Reverie> Yes I used that before. Great for the oldies. I see on stea mmany games are for linux now, but I dont think they are really for linux, but can be played via weblink or something.  Actuall linux games, i'm not sure there are so many.
[19:09] <petro> what is it deleting programs during the upgrade
[19:10] <petro> what a pos
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: online worms cant be stopped by the operating system
[19:10] <blackflow> royal_screwup21: report it to facebook. not an ubuntu issue.
[19:10] <Mystic_Reverie> Thimbleweed park is a new but retro style point and click, but not sure it can be run right from linux
[19:10] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: GoG has more btw.
[19:11] <Mystic_Reverie> Do they run straight out of linux though?  I get confused about that
[19:11] <royal_screwup21> lotuspsychje: yup, sorry, this was a little off topic. I was wondering if there's a trusted anti-virus package or something for ubuntu?
[19:11] <ducasse> Mystic_Reverie: there are several point and click adventures that are native to linux
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> petro: Again, please mind your language here. This is a family friendly channel and cursing is not appropriate
[19:11] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: they do support Ubuntu, I just don't know if all or some games, probably just some
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: yes, clamav but as i said it will not find an online worm on some webpage..
[19:12] <Mystic_Reverie> I'd be interested to know them.  As I said, I getr confused looking through steam, so many games say linux supported, but I dont know what they mean when they say that, as they are not native games
[19:12] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: if there's the steamos support icon, then it means linux.
[19:13] <petro> this garbage os added a keyboard shortcut i don't want....
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> petro: language please!
[19:13] <jpablo> Hi there, How can change between screen like "ctrl + alt + f1" in ubuntu?
[19:13] <petro> pragmaticenigma, calling the os garbage is not bad language....
[19:13] <ducasse> petro: please stop the complaining if you want help
[19:13] <petro> jpablo, answer is dont' use ubuntu
[19:13] <Mystic_Reverie> hmm
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> petro: your abbreviation is not appropriate
[19:14] <blackflow> !ops | petro wants out
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> Mystic_Reverie: you should know better, only ubuntu support questions here
[19:15] <petro> sure, help me?  there's nothing in keyboard shortcuts why this is happening
[19:15] <Mystic_Reverie> Well, i was asking for hints regarding my linux, which is ubuntu - the only linux I use
[19:15] <petro> please explain why the ubuntu process is designed to delete programs
[19:15] <JimBuntu> jpablo - If you are using 18.04, try CTRL+ALT+F7
[19:15] <petro> people should know this
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> royal_screwup21: What you clicked on is called a click-jacking attack. Nothing is downloaded or affected on your computer. What has happened is somewhere along the path of that link, a redirect intercepted a cookie for your facebook account. What you need to do is change your facebook password, make sure you go into the account and log out any sessions you do not recognize and then send a message to your friends to
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> let them know that you were affected.
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> Mystic_Reverie: focus on the actual support, less on the whole storytelling
[19:15] <petro> someone here should tell them
[19:16] <Mystic_Reverie> k
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> For further support royal_screwup21, please contact facebook
[19:16] <petro> since you are such fans... you would think you would tel them
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> Mystic_Reverie: you already know you can use #ubuntu-discuss to talk more right
[19:16] <ducasse> petro: which programs were removed?
[19:16] <petro> well, a bin file
[19:17] <petro> i don't know, others were deleted ...it didn't display... i used the gui method to upgrade
[19:17] <Mystic_Reverie> Sorry, I think I sont understand when I'm being whispered too.  Like are you whispering me now ?  I reply without whispering and I suppose that can look messy
[19:17] <petro> i did notice a .bin file was removed
[19:17] <ducasse> petro: from where - your homedir?
[19:17] <petro> I reinstalled it....
[19:18] <royal_screwup21> pragmaticenigma: thanks! I've  changed my password and let them know
[19:18] <petro> but, the short cut change is worse... i can only use one shift key
[19:18] <petro> ducasse, i think so
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> royal_screwup21: Also make sure to check the login history, and log out any sessions that aren't the current one
[19:18] <royal_screwup21> pragmaticenigma: not that it matters now, but I clicked on the link about 6 hours back? Is it too late?
[19:19] <ioria> petro, a .bin ? in your homedir ?
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> it's never too late royal_screwup21
[19:19] <ducasse> petro: that doesn't sound right to me - under no circumstances should the upgrader remove files from your homedir
[19:19] <jpablo> JimBuntu, what should happen?
[19:19] <jpablo> Appear a black screen
[19:20] <petro> how do you access keyboard shortcuts in gnome.
[19:20] <jpablo> In Debian I can use ctr alt f* for change
[19:20] <Mystic_Reverie> Can anyone help me installing Inform and TADS?  I dont understand how to install tar files
[19:20] <petro> i meant a question mark but it outputs a .
[19:20] <Mystic_Reverie> perto, sems you need to chang you keyboard region ?
[19:20] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: ? there are ubuntu packages for those. you install like any other ubuntu package. do you know how to do that?
[19:21] <royal_screwup21> pragmaticenigma: thanks again. I've logged out of all sessions and changed my password. Hopefully nothing happens, but that's doubtful :/
[19:21] <Mystic_Reverie> blackflow, not much, i cant find them in software center. So I' dont know how really
[19:21] <petro> nope...itäs correct
[19:22] <dserodio> My Ubuntu 18.04 has shut down crashed for the second time this week, how can I troubleshoot this? I think this started happening after I enabled Automatic Suspend while plugged in
[19:22] <royal_screwup21> pragmaticenigma:   (all of my sessions were known to me, so they weren't suspicious, but nevertheless I thought it'd be best it logout)
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> royal_screwup21: that's great. we need to bring the conversation back to ubuntu support though. thank you for the updates, I wish you the best of luck
[19:24] <petro> another user has crashes
[19:25] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: well, I don't know about the software center, but you can install them from command line with apt install <package name>. The packages are 'inform' and 'qtads' I think.
[19:25] <petro> I am correct, ubuntu 18.04 is garbage
[19:25] <hggdh> petro: please be clear on your issues. So far you have given us generalities
[19:25] <Mystic_Reverie> Thanks, will try
[19:25] <blackflow> petro: then you'll have no problem to stop using that garbage, right?
[19:25] <petro> dserodio, no one will help you here...they either don't know how or they refuse
[19:26] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: apt search --names-only tads   shows qtads (the QT variant), I guess that's it. inform is inform.
[19:26] <hggdh> petro: and, one last time: keep your opinions to yourself. This is a support channel. Go elsewhere for anything that is not support
[19:26] <petro> hggdh, my right shift key changes the input source... i want it to operate as a normal shift key
[19:26] <Mystic_Reverie> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> Mystic_Reverie: reboot and try again
[19:27] <Mystic_Reverie> i have found qtads in synaptic package manager, but a search for inform gives hundreds of results, i dont knpw what to choose
[19:27] <hggdh> petro: Settings/Devices/Keyboard
[19:28] <jpablo> Someone know a lan network for play in ubuntu?  Stop wwhining
[19:31] <petro> Mystic_Reverie, that's because this OS is extremely buggy...it sucks
[19:31] <Mystic_Reverie> How to find a software that has installed, but wont show in softwar search
[19:32] <CarlFK> petro: "... continued misbehaving after you have been asked to stop is disruptive  and obnoxious. Such behaviour may result in a removal from the channel. "  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[19:32] <ioria> horrah
[19:33] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: what do you mean by "software search"?
[19:33] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: why not just do `sudo apt-get install qtads` from the command line, e.g.
[19:34] <Mystic_Reverie> becasue i cant usualyl remember how to do it that way
[19:34] <Mystic_Reverie> but synaptic installed it anyway, but i can find the software on my computer.  how to run it ?
[19:34] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: look in the 'games' menu, or try running 'qtads' from the comamnd line?
[19:35] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: and if that's gnome, hit the meta key and start typing qtads
[19:35] <Mystic_Reverie> how to run ?
[19:35] <nacc> blackflow: good point
[19:35] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: you were just told
[19:35] <blackflow> if there's no icon, then possibly it's only a command line tool, which wouldn't surprise me, being an IF interpreter
[19:35] <Mystic_Reverie> i wasnt
[19:35] <Mystic_Reverie> whats a metsa key?
[19:35] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: the "windows" ke
[19:36] <Mystic_Reverie> it ran, the nsaid a new version is available and do i want to visit download page.  but i cant install software from webpages
[19:37] <Mystic_Reverie> http://qtads.sourceforge.net/downloads.shtml
[19:37] <Mystic_Reverie> too advanced for me
[19:37] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: don't install third party software from "downloads" pages if there exists a package in the repos, and here it does.
[19:38] <Mystic_Reverie> it says update is available
[19:38] <blackflow> !latest
[19:38] <Mystic_Reverie> prompted me
[19:39] <Mystic_Reverie> brb
[19:41] <Mystic_Reverie> 'sudo apt-install inform
[19:41] <Mystic_Reverie> '  is that right ?
[19:42] <petro> is there a way to report the irc channel?
[19:42] <blackflow> !apt | Mystic_Reverie
[19:42] <Mystic_Reverie> lol petro. report for what
[19:42] <oerheks> petro, join #ubuntu-ops for that
[19:42] <petro> what's wrong with asking for where the keyboard shortcuts are?
[19:43] <petro> booting me for no reason
[19:43] <Mystic_Reverie> i think it was you saying 'pos' every minute was the problem
 dserodio, no one will help you here...they either don't know how or they refuse ,... i think it is your attitude
[19:44] <dserodio> oerheks: I think that was meant for petro, not me :)
[19:44] <petro> if someone acknowledged there are bugs, i wouldn't be so frustrated
[19:45] <CarlFK> petro: if you don't understand, take it to #ubuntu-ops and if someone has time they may help you understand.
[19:45] <Mystic_Reverie> sudo apt-get install inform .  i think it installed, but it still wont run..  says something about compiling ?
[19:45] <oerheks> dserodio, ys, sorry for that ;-D
[19:45] <petro> no one even offered to help
[19:45] <leftyfb> petro: focus more on working with people to troubleshoot your issues. Give details and be responsive to requests for more information from people trying to help you. The constant personal feelings toward your frustration only slow down your progress. Leave it out completely.
[19:45] <petro> someone is calling me names privately but i don't care
[19:46] <DeathTickle1> hey all, anyone have a good software recommendation for viewing my bike ride I recorded as a GPX track ?
[19:46] <petro> i just wanted some idea of what is wrong and i will report it as a bug when i have time
[19:46] <petro> i read that it happened in 17.10 too
[19:46] <leftyfb> petro: ok, explain in detail your issue
[19:46] <petro> leftyfb, it is simple... the right shift key changes my input sources and i want to change that
[19:47] <leftyfb> petro: input sources?
[19:47] <petro> when i bring up keyboard shortcuts, there's no option for that
[19:47] <petro> yes, i have two other languages
[19:47] <oerheks> !info viking
[19:47] <hggdh> petro: you are incorrect no one helped you. I told you where to go.
[19:47] <oerheks> and more examples, DeathTickle1 http://planbperformance.net/dan/blog/?p=379
[19:48] <hggdh> petro: if you want to discuss your removal from the channel, join #ubuntu-ops
[19:48] <leftyfb> petro: try https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029588/18-04-ctrlshift-to-change-language
[19:48] <Mystic_Reverie> anyone?  please how to install and run inform ?
[19:49] <DeathTickle1> I will try it out oerheks thanks
[19:49] <Yatyat> Petro is crybaby
[19:49] <hggdh> Yatyat: please don't.
[19:49] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: you install inform like every other package and like people told you above. How to use it is up to you to read it's documentation
[19:49] <oerheks> !info inform
[19:50] <oerheks> i think it is part of the whole package?
[19:50] <Mystic_Reverie> I did ninstall it but it didnt run
[19:50] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: http://inform7.com/
[19:50] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[19:50] <blackflow> check also the command manpage  (the command is 'inform')
[19:51] <petro> leftyfb, I found the 'right shift' key mentioned in another window... which i can't find at the moment... this is a bug or a bad design...why won't anyone accept my suggestion?
[19:51] <Mystic_Reverie> I was on the websoite before, i dont know what i am supposed to do with a tar file. this system is so hard to use sometimes
[19:51] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: those are interpreters, you need the actual game files to run them.
[19:51] <petro> why should we need gnome tweaks?  i will try it though since the default does not work
[19:51] <leftyfb> petro: if you have a suggestion, file a bug. You could also try the link I gave you
[19:52] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: plenty of links and resources and further reading on that link, just check it out ;)
[19:52] <pavlos> petro: I added anothr language from Settings Languages and changed the toggle from keyboard settings
[19:52] <petro> pavlos, do you use gnome?
[19:52] <Mystic_Reverie> Im trying.  but i dont understnd why installing software has to be so complicated on here to be honest
[19:52] <petro> i think it is a gnome thing combined how it's integrated in ubuntu
[19:52] <pavlos> petro: 18.04 gnome
[19:53] <MonsieurBon> I'm currently building a new desktop pc and was looking into AMD Ryzen processors. How's the support in the linux kernel and ubuntu? Is there any reason to stay away from AMD and buy Intel? I found a few articles talking about issues in the linux kernel, but nothing recent.
[19:53] <petro> pavlos, how did you get there?
[19:53] <pavlos> petro: settings | languages
[19:53] <Mystic_Reverie> 'bash: ./install-inform7.sh: No such file or directory'
[19:53] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: the "software" is installed. Now you have to research how to use it.
[19:53] <Mystic_Reverie> I cant run it even
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[19:53] <pavlos> petro: then add a language with the +
[19:54] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: you read the documentation
[19:54] <Mystic_Reverie> i read what came i nthe download file
[19:54] <Mystic_Reverie> and pasted
[19:54] <Mystic_Reverie> bash: ./install-inform7.sh: No such file or directory
[19:54] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, I'm not talking about the graphic cards yet, that would have been my second question :)
[19:54] <Mystic_Reverie> its too hard for me to understand
[19:54] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: then maybe it's not software you need?
[19:54] <Mystic_Reverie> ?
[19:54] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: then you don't get to run software you refuse to learn how to use
[19:55] <DeathTickle1> oerheks or anyone: so I have installed viking from ubuntu software, it looks like it installed as a snap and now I can't start it when pressing the "launch" button :(
[19:55] <oerheks> MonsieurBon, ryzen 2400 will be supported with the 4.16 kernel
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> i just told u i was following instructions
[19:55] <petro> I found the window... it makes no sense but this is what i see...
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> To install Inform 7 for Linux in /usr/local, from the directory in which
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> you found this README file, run:
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> ./install-inform7.sh
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> If you want to install somewhere other than under /usr/local, invoke the
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> script with the --prefix option, e.g.:
[19:55] <Mystic_Reverie> ./install-inform7.sh --prefix /home/dlebling
[19:55] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: it's already installed. You're following the wrong instructions
[19:56] <petro> i go to language and region section and there is a button for input sources
[19:56] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: It's installed. Go read how to use it
[19:56] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: you installed it from the package. peruse the documentation on how to USE it and play games.
[19:56] <mercimek> hello everyone. I'm new to linux and I have a little problem. I'm running ubuntu 18.04 on a laptop with AMD graphics card. But in settings > about it says intel haswell mobile. How can i make sure i'm using my ati card?
[19:56] <pavlos> petro: and below a + sign
[19:56] <petro> 'input source options' so i click that 'input source' button
[19:56] <pavlos> petro: click on the 3 vertical dots, type the language to add
[19:56] <Mystic_Reverie> what instructions am i supposed to me looking at?
[19:57] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: somewhere in http://inform7.com/learn/manuals/
[19:57] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: beyond that, we're not going to hold your hand
[19:57] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: why are you even trying to run this?
[19:58] <Mystic_Reverie> ok, i will usre it in windows. Im not asking how to use the software, im just asking how to start it
[19:58] <Mystic_Reverie> its  a bit ridiculous really
[19:58] <hggdh> ...
[19:58] <blackflow> leftyfb: because I told them there's inform and TADS int he packages, answering the question of whether Interactive Fiction can be played on Ubuntu. I assumed they knew all about those, since it's a *VERY* niche market.
[19:58] <petro> under keyboard shortcuts heading is one 'alternative switch to next source: right shift'
[19:58] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: "im just asking how to start it"   .... from what I understand, it's not something you just doubleclick and it "starts". It's a compiler/interpreter
[19:58] <mercimek> any ideas?
[19:59] <Mystic_Reverie> it just starts i nwindows with a click
[19:59] <petro> 'you can change these shortcuts in the keyboard settings'  oh, no you can't...lol
[19:59] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: ok, then use Windows. Good luck
[19:59] <Mystic_Reverie> cheers
[19:59] <petro> if i can't get help here, i will post the questions somewhere else
[19:59] <Mystic_Reverie> so snotty in here sometimes
[19:59] <petro> pavlos, i added the languages a while ago... i don't know why you are giving instructions for what was already done ;0
[20:00] <pavlos> petro: settings, devices, keyboard scroll down to Typing ... you can alter the behavior
[20:00] <xav1us> Is it stupid to link libs i built manually (installed in /usr/local/lib) to /usr/lib?  Should be kickbanned.
[20:03] <Yatyat> You foul mouth
[20:03] <hggdh> MonsieurBon: please not here. You can do one of two: (1) go to #ubuntu-ops and report (with a pastebin); (2) /ignore the user
[20:04] <hggdh> Yatyat: stop
[20:04] <MonsieurBon> hggdh, ok, I'll do that. Thanks
[20:10] <t_> whats up Ubuntu? what is error exit status 1, what i'am doing wrong?
[20:10] <leftyfb> t_: in what context?
[20:11] <petro> the tweak tool solved it... i'll file a bug.... keyboard shortcuts doesn't work properly in the default settings
[20:12] <t_> installing new programs
[20:12] <nacc> t_: so from dpkg probably?
[20:12] <petro> i bet ubuntu devs won't care though... it's been this way since at least 17.10
[20:12] <nacc> petro: it might be an upstream bug in gnome
[20:12] <petro> i mean, since 17.04.... when i upgraded to 17.10, i had the same problem...that's why i remember this
[20:12] <Mystic_Reverie> well i tried anothe room but i cnat enter so i will have to get help in here.  I cant get my terminal to find the inform file. which is now on my desktop.  can u even help me do that ?  or wil lyou not 'hold my hand' ?
[20:13] <petro> nacc, maybe
[20:13] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: I thought you were going to play it on Windows?
[20:13] <petro> i don't know why others haven't encountered it... it seems likely if you have more than one input source
[20:14] <Mystic_Reverie> lefty,  do you cnsider yourself a nice person?
[20:14] <Mystic_Reverie> cos u dont sound like one
[20:14] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: you can play all those games through online interpreters anyway, if this is too..... overwhelming for you.
[20:14] <petro> I also have freezes but i am not sure how to solve that one
[20:14] <petro> does anyone have freezes of their system on occasion?
[20:14] <petro> the mouse pointer works but only moves...can't do anything
[20:14] <Mystic_Reverie> i jus twant som help.  i am expected to study dictionaries just to do basic things
[20:15] <MonsieurBon> oerheks, sorry, I got a bit distracted... Does that mean I should currently not buy an AMD processor if I plan to run Ubuntu on it?
[20:15] <petro> i want the task manager to come up with ctrl-alt-del but i am not sure how
[20:15] <Mystic_Reverie> im not asking how t ouse the software, i msaying im having problems even running it
[20:15] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: do you know what a compiler or interpreter is?
[20:15] <petro> it is set as a shortcut to log out which i don't want
[20:15] <Mystic_Reverie> it wont access the folder from my terminal
[20:15] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: do you know what a compiler or interpreter is?
[20:15] <Mystic_Reverie> i am using inform to play games on only
[20:15] <Mystic_Reverie> or at least trying to
[20:15] <ducasse> Mystic_Reverie: seems you can start the inform compiler just by typing 'inform' - you might want to read the man page, though
[20:15] <Mystic_Reverie> i hjave resd the instructions from the link u gave me
[20:16] <Mystic_Reverie> but cant get my erminal to run from the location of the folder
[20:16] <Mystic_Reverie> i dont know how to do it
[20:16] <Mystic_Reverie> and yes i have googled
[20:16] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: are you using the ubuntu package?
[20:16] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: inform is a compiler/interpreter. It is not a graphical application you just open/click/run by itself. You Run the compiler/interpreter against the game files in a particular manner according to the documentation.
[20:16] <Mystic_Reverie> im using the packag efrom the link i was sent
[20:16] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: so you should seek help from the people who made the link you used. We can only help with ubuntu packages. The ubuntu package ships a `inform` binary.
[20:17] <Mystic_Reverie> step by step help please?
[20:17] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: on the commandline. You do not run "inform" and it just opens some Window. It does not work like that.
[20:17] <Mystic_Reverie> this is nuts
[20:17] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: you can play all those games through online interpreters anyway
[20:17] <Mystic_Reverie> but inform works exactly that way i nwindows
[20:17] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: 1) windows != ubuntu
[20:17] <Mystic_Reverie> and i cna just download games and run them thro inform
[20:17] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: the inform applicatin you are using on windows may be totally unrelated to the one in ubuntu
[20:18] <Mystic_Reverie> well, its much harder to use obviously. like most things are
[20:18] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: enjoy:   http://ifdb.tads.org/     https://ifcomp.org/comp/2017
[20:19] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: you are 1) not using the ubuntu provided package, 2) doing basic due diligence on what youare installing.
[20:19] <leftyfb> nacc: they are using the ubuntu package
[20:19] <nacc> leftyfb: then why are they referring to some url?
[20:20] <Mystic_Reverie> ai have downloadde from the terminal, but it wont run
[20:20] <Mystic_Reverie> then also tried the url
[20:20] <leftyfb> :/
[20:20] <nacc> leftyfb: see above :)
[20:20] <Mystic_Reverie> it would be nice if u can just tell me how to run it please
[20:20] <blackflow> nacc: I told them about the packages, and linked to inform and tads sites for more help and docs and further resources.
[20:20] <Mystic_Reverie> why al lthis strict aloofness?  im not even intersted in learning terminal myself
[20:20] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: please go read the documentation
[20:20] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: what happens when you type "inform" at the terminal?
[20:20] <blackflow> but at this point I suspect trolling.
[20:20] <Mystic_Reverie> just asking for help in a help room
[20:20] <leftyfb> nacc: it's an interpreter
[20:20] <nacc> leftyfb: i know.
[20:20] <nacc> leftyfb: let them answer, please.
[20:21] <Mystic_Reverie> trolling who ?    inform 6.31 for linux it says. and other info
[20:21] <nacc> !pastebin | Mystic_Reverie
[20:21] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: then you just ran inform!
[20:21] <Mystic_Reverie> nothing happened
[20:22] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: i think this problem is false expectations
[20:22] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: what did you expect to happen?
[20:22] <Mystic_Reverie> no, ithink i expecte inform to appear like in windows,  not literally nothing
[20:22] <Mystic_Reverie> then i cna add a game to the interface and play it
[20:22] <leftyfb> nacc: you know I have explained this several times, in multiple ways
[20:22] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: that may or may not be how the ubuntu package works.
[20:22] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: and it appears it is not how the ubuntu package works, it's just a commandline tool
[20:22] <Mystic_Reverie> well acn u help me run it?
[20:23] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: you did just run it.
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> jesus christ
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> ok
[20:23] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: you need to read the documentation to know how to run it correctly
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> linux stikes again
[20:23] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: inform is a compiler/interpreter. It is not a graphical application you just open/click/run by itself. You Run the compiler/interpreter against the game files in a particular manner according to the documentation. You run it on the commandline. You do not run "inform" and it just opens some Window. It does not work like that.
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> no thnanks. windows is definately easier
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> this is nonsense
[20:23] <nacc> Mystic_Reverie: ok, no one is forcing you to use linux or ubuntu.
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> thanks for the help.. and some of u. thanks for the fking snobbery
[20:23] <Mystic_Reverie> not nice
[20:23] <leftyfb> toodles
[20:23] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: for inform, "zoom" is the interpreter (installed with the package), so you just download a z-file for a game, and run it on the command line with zoom
[20:24] <blackflow> BAH
[20:27] <Gabriel8822> hi guys. i'm trying to install 16.04 LTS server in a software raid0 and every time i cannot boot after installation. Any tips? I already tried everything I could find online.
[20:27] <Gabriel8822> grub installs in both drives and yet it does not boot
[20:28] <_KaszpiR_> ensure partitions are set to bootable?
[20:28] <_KaszpiR_> also use parttion nr1 as mirror, and use partitions 2as sraid0
[20:28] <_KaszpiR_> *raid0
[20:29] <_KaszpiR_> anyway, why raid0?
[20:29] <blackflow> why partition 1 in particular? or do you mean, "You need /boot on a non-raid-1 partition for grub to find it"
[20:30] <leftyfb> Gabriel8822: Is the data that's going to live on this raid0 temporary/disposable?
[20:30] <leftyfb> let me rephrase that....
[20:30] <leftyfb> Gabriel8822: The data that's going to live on this raid0 will be temporary/disposable :)
[20:31] <_KaszpiR_> ;)
[20:31] <_KaszpiR_> acyually this can be applied to any data ;D
[20:31] <_KaszpiR_> to be more precise, raid0 increases chance yo loose all the data without recovery option
[20:36] <p1l0t> SO I keep running out of space on /boot because it tries to put a hundred 4.4 kernel images... I'm on like 4.15 what gives?
[20:37] <blackflow> p1l0t: does your apt complain about a to of kernel packages ready for autoremove?
[20:37] <blackflow> *a ton of
[20:37] <nacc> p1l0t: have you run `sudo apt-get autoremove` as apt-get recommends?
[20:37] <nacc> p1l0t: what versino of ubuntu as well?
[20:38] <p1l0t> blackflow: nacc: so I just upgraded (sort of) to Beaver but I can't even boot on the 4.15 kernel because it didn't load right because no space on /boot
[20:39] <p1l0t> autoremove is reinstalling 100 versions of 4.4 like 4.4.0-70 71 72 73 etc...
[20:39] <p1l0t> all the way up to 130
[20:39] <p1l0t> So it can't get 4.15 right
[20:39] <nacc> p1l0t: what do you mean by 'sort of'? just the /boot full issue?
[20:40] <nacc> p1l0t: it won't be reinstalling anything, it should be removing stuff, unless your system was *already* broken before the upgrade
[20:40] <oerheks> you will, if you have enough space, but this story is unlikely, as the upgrade should warn you about low disk space
[20:40] <p1l0t> nacc: yeah it was already broken
[20:40] <oerheks> so how did you upgrade to 18.04?
[20:40] <p1l0t> I can't remove old pakages because of dependency issues
[20:40] <p1l0t> I have the new gui but I have to boot on the old kernel
[20:43] <MonsieurBon> oerheks, where did you get the information about amd 2400 support in 4.16 kernel? the only thing I can find is that support for the Zen architecture was added in 4.10
[20:43] <nacc> p1l0t: this sounds like a bad upgrade; your system should be clean first when you upgrade
[20:44] <nacc> p1l0t: you also upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, which isn't fully supported yet
[20:44] <p1l0t> I did a sudo rm *4.4* but I probably won't be back after this because 4.15 is kernel panic
[20:44] <popey> uh
[20:44] <nacc> p1l0t: if 4.15 isn't properly installed, then it will be panicking possibly due to the initrd
[20:44] <popey> that's not a good way to clear out kernels
[20:44] <nacc> popey: indeed :)
[20:44] <p1l0t> popey: it's the only way I can
[20:45] <nacc> i mean, it's a way to clear out initrds, so apt can proceed, arguably
[20:45] <popey> due to out of disk space?
[20:45] <nacc> p1l0t: so if you've freed up space in /boot, get apt back to working
[20:45] <nacc> p1l0t: before you reboot
[20:45] <p1l0t> nacc: How do I do that?
[20:45] <nacc> p1l0t: does apt work now? (you said you rm'd files in /boot)
[20:46] <p1l0t> nacc: I can do updates and stuff
[20:46] <leftyfb> p1l0t: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels
[20:46] <oerheks> MonsieurBon, 4.16-x with Mesa 18.1-dev + LLVM 7.0 SVN  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1007350/what-is-needed-to-use-raven-ridge-ryzen-5-2400g
[20:46] <oerheks> maybe the next 18.10 will get 4.17
[20:46] <nacc> p1l0t: ok, so does `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade` work?
[20:48] <p1l0t> W for no matching swap device available
[20:48] <p1l0t> Now it's genereating <IP_ADDRESS>...
[20:49] <popey> let it finish
[20:50] <p1l0t> 130,92,89,87..
[20:51] <Sbur3> Brother MFC 6490 CW Printer / Scanner.  The problem is that the printer works, but not the scanner.  See https://pastebin.com/rLc4beap
[20:52] <p1l0t> 83,81,79,78..
[20:53] <nacc> p1l0t: and in the future, don't ignore apt's messages :)
[20:54] <MonsieurBon> oerheks, hum, that sounds like too much work for my taste... I guess I'll have to go with Intel then...
[20:54] <p1l0t> nacc: so it got to 71 and then ran out of space
[20:55] <p1l0t> Is it normal for /boot to be over 470mb?
[20:55] <blackflow> p1l0t: you know what, copy that to a /boot.tmp on your main root partition, then umount /boot, rename boot.tmp to /boot and uninstall stuff. I'm assuming you'd know how to revert that back to a separate partition.
[20:56] <blackflow> p1l0t: it's not. two kernels (current and last one) which is what you should aim for, is about 150MB
[20:57] <p1l0t> blackflow: So why does it keep adding back these older ones?
[20:57] <popey> because you never let it finish
[20:57] <popey> it needs to fully finish, then we can yoink out the old ones and they'll never be seen again
[20:58] <popey> how did you install 4.15? via some back channel, or just normally via updates?
[20:58] <popey> (when I say "let them finish" it's of course out of your control somewhat as you're out of space)
[20:59] <p1l0t> popey: just normally
[21:00] <ahi2> Sbur3: did you try xsane package?
[21:04] <nacc> popey: they upgraded to 18.04
[21:09] <erespond> Hai all, how to install server ubuntu
[21:09] <oerheks> erespond, download the iso, put it on dvd, boot from it, and go wild
[21:18] <p1l0t> blackflow: That worked I think although I got a warning: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (6 vs 16).
[21:18] <p1l0t>    Affected packages: initramfs-tools:amd64 linux-firmware:amd64 linux-image-4.15.0-23-generic:amd64
[21:23] <elise2791> Hello! I'm trying to install burg on ubuntu 16.04 LTS but always end up with a grub-esque screen... Can I ask here for help?
[21:23] <p1l0t> And after that all that auto-remove only removed 4.4.0-89 lol
[21:24] <nacc> p1l0t: it would appear you maybe have removed some metpackages
[21:24] <nacc> p1l0t: which then breaks autoremove and a number of other normal usage tools
[21:24] <p1l0t> nacc: piss
[21:25] <nacc> p1l0t: you *probably* can purge, by hand (e.g. `sudo apt-get remove linux-image-4.4*`)
[21:25] <nacc> p1l0t: if you really don't need them
[21:27] <p1l0t> nacc: Yes that seems to work.. dunno if I need them or not though
[21:29] <nacc> p1l0t: you can always reinstall *just* the package that corresponds to your current kernel
[21:30] <nacc> which you are obviously successfully booted to
[21:31] <p1l0t> nacc: I think that's 83
[21:31] <p1l0t> I guess uname -a will tell me
[21:32] <p1l0t> nevermind it's 130
[21:36] <p1l0t> Now to remount my boot directory...
[21:39] <EriC^^> elise2791: how are you installing burg? are you using uefi or legacy?
[21:43] <p1l0t> So anybody know how to remount /boot properly before I restart?
[21:43] <nacc> p1l0t: i wasn't exactly following, what did you do?
[21:45] <p1l0t> nacc: I copied my /boot directory to /bootbak, umount /boot, mv bootbak to boot and then did all the updates
[21:45] <p1l0t> but I think I should probably remount /boot before I restart?
[21:45] <nacc> p1l0t: well, remounting /boot doesn't really matter
[21:45] <nacc> p1l0t: but let's get it correct
[21:45] <nacc> p1l0t: so what you'll want to doi is mount your old /boot somewhere else
[21:45] <nacc> e.g. /mnt/boot
[21:46] <nacc> (temporarily)
[21:46] <nacc> (this is my recommendation, btw, i'm not 100% sure it will work, so read it all before starting)
[21:46] <p1l0t> ok
[21:46] <nacc> once mounted, delete everything in /mnt/boot
[21:46] <nacc> then move everything in /boot to /mnt/boot
[21:47] <nacc> then delete everything in /boot
[21:47] <nacc> then unmount /mnt/boot and remount /boot
[21:47] <nacc> does that make sense, p1l0t ?
[21:47] <nacc> i'd also make sure apt is still happy at that point, then it's just a matter of rebooting
[21:49] <p1l0t> nacc: I'm not sure how to mount /mnt/boot
[21:50] <nacc> p1l0t: look in /etc/fstab for the line for /boot
[21:50] <nacc> p1l0t: you'll do something like `sudo mount <entry from fstab, specifically, /dev/disk/by-uuid/...> /mnt/boot
[21:50] <p1l0t> nacc: boot was on sda1
[21:51] <p1l0t> nacc: I have a UUID I guess I just assign that to /mnt/boot
[21:51] <nacc> p1l0t: ok, so it'll be `sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot`
[21:51] <nacc> you might need to `sudo mkdir /mnt/boot` first
[21:52] <p1l0t> nacc: Yeah I made the directory already
[21:54] <p1l0t> nacc: So I copy the files to /mnt/boot BEFORE mounting it?
[21:55] <nacc> p1l0t: no
[21:55] <nacc> p1l0t: there should already be files in /mnt/boot (the old /boot contents)
[21:55] <nacc> p1l0t: so you need to empty it first, then copy over the new files
[21:56] <p1l0t> nacc: ok
[22:01] <p1l0t> nacc: So now copy them to /boot and remount /boot?
[22:02] <Rumen> Hello, mission imposible almost finished. Changed cards from NVS300 to GT730, installed nvidia driver 390, this time didn't crashed!!! Only can't understand WHY COMUTER FREEZE WHEN I OPEN GOOGLE MAPS???
[22:03] <Rumen> are there any settings I need to change (eventually) in order to fix that?
[22:04] <gt8ost4l> can anybody i get an erro when i type in a command to stop the static sounds on ubuntu 18.04?
[22:04] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me i get an error when i type in a command to stop the static sounds on ubuntu 18.04?
[22:04] <gt8ost4l> sorry made typos
[22:07] <p1l0t> nacc: I think it's good... apt seems happy...
[22:08] <foo> Anyone see anything wrong with this system init service? https://paste.ofcode.org/dAGgsmaSqdUKZXgLsk8iFB
[22:26] <rocketeer99> Hey I have a .img file I'd like to mount on boot within my vm
[22:27] <rocketeer99> very long story for why I want to do this but every time I edit /etc/fstab the vm refuses to boot and I have to go to IT to restore the old fstab
[22:31] <rocketeer99> the command I want is "mount -o loop /path/to/file.img /mountpoint/path" and I can't figure out how to run that on start - cron apparently doesn't like the @reboot tag on my system, rclocal isn't being interpreted correctly, and my attempts at creating a systemd service have basically failed
[22:35] <xav1us> I install cmake in ubuntu trusty with apt install cmake. ldd /usr/bin/cmake shows that libcurl is used from /usr/lib/linuxsomething/libcurl.so.4 . Next,  I install libcurl (different version rather than one in package manager) from sources to /usr/local/. What happens next is somehow ldd /usr/bin/cmake starts showing that custom incompatible lib in /usr/local/lib instead of global one. Why and how to fix this? I spent so much time over it
[22:55] <leftyfb> xav1us: remove the libcurl you installed from outside sources
[22:57] <Rumen> Hi there!
[22:57] <Rumen> Guys anyone who is Nvidia guru around?
[22:58] <Rumen> noone?
[22:58] <Rumen> uufffffff
[22:59] <tekisui> hello
[22:59] <tekisui> just me
[22:59] <ChiLLabiS> Hi
[23:00] <tekisui> ni hao
[23:00] <Rumen> Guys I changed the card from NVS300 to GT730 and got small issue - almost everything works ... but some applications like Google Maps freeze the computer!!!
[23:00] <ChiLLabiS> Terve Jokkasdjärvi
[23:00] <tekisui> try yandex maps
[23:00] <nacc> xav1us: check yhour LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[23:01] <tekisui> https://yandex.com/maps/
[23:01] <Rumen> Tell me how?
[23:01] <tekisui> c´est ca
[23:01] <tekisui> i think google and linux aren´t best friends
[23:01] <ivanfr> what distro is better for using in a system with limited resources, Mint xfce or Xubuntu?
[23:01] <tekisui> as microsoft and intel are
[23:01] <tekisui> then there is android..
[23:02] <nacc> Rumen: ignore them.
[23:02] <nacc> ivanfr: for this channel, your choice would be xubuntu or lubuntu, you want #mint for mint questions
[23:03] <Rumen> nacc:  how from the settings?
[23:03] <Rumen> Somewhere?
[23:03] <Rumen> Yandex Maps works like a charm ....
[23:03] <nacc> Rumen: you can use /ignore; but i meant just don't read that, it's rubbish commentary.
[23:03] <ivanfr> cant even mention the competence? xD
[23:04] <nacc> ivanfr: do you mean competition? mint is not supported here, was my point, and this channel is not for polls
[23:04] <adamantium> Rumen are you using nouveau or nvidia proprietary driver? I have had freeze issues on certain websites, like youtube using nouveau
[23:04] <rocketeer99> ivanfr: I've had more luck with lubuntu than I have with mint on super low end hardware
[23:04] <ivanfr> thx
[23:04] <Rumen> I'm using Nvidia 390 driver
[23:05] <rocketeer99> Mint xfce vs Ubuntu will be almost identical in terms of system usage, so on that front it's purely personal preference
[23:05] <rocketeer99> (Or at least were pretty identical in my experience, ymmv)
[23:05] <adamantium> Rumen:ok well i was thinking it may be something to verify, just to be sure.
[23:06] <Rumen> The one from Updates --> Additional Drivers
[23:06] <rocketeer99> anyone have any ideas mounting iso files without using /etc/fstab?
[23:07] <rocketeer99> mounting automatically on boot/reboot, that is
[23:08] <oerheks> rocketeer99,  no, that is what fstab is for
[23:08] <Sleaker> why wouldn't you use fstab?
[23:08] <adamantium> Rumen: check from a terminal, lspci -k | grep nvid
[23:09] <oerheks> don't reinvent the wheel
[23:09] <adamantium> Rumen: you should see   Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[23:09] <adamantium> just to be sure.
[23:09] <Rumen> Yep it is Kernel driver in use - Nvidia
[23:09] <adamantium> ok good
[23:10] <Rumen> Kernel driver in use: nvidia	Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia
[23:10] <Guest86029> https://hastebin.com/oxerofosus.sql can somone help me understand this?
[23:10] <rocketeer99> oerheks: because I'm running in a vm, and every time I edit fstab at all, the system dies and I have to go to IT to restore the old fstab
[23:10] <rocketeer99> This would be attempt three or four at making changes there, and they're starting to get tired of seeing my face
[23:11] <oerheks> Guest86029, for wine issues, join #winehq
[23:11] <oerheks> rocketeer99, fstab it is.
[23:11] <Guest86029> i got not responce there
[23:11] <Guest86029> but ok
[23:12] <adamantium> Rumen: you said the system freezes, does control+alt+F1/F2/-->F7 work in this situation?
[23:12] <Rumen> no - only the sound and the mouse
[23:13] <adamantium> rats
[23:13] <adamantium> Rumen: what browser is this, have you tried the troublesome website on another browser?
[23:14] <oerheks> good find, adamantium
[23:14] <adamantium> oerheks: what did i find :D lol
[23:14] <oerheks> .. but i think someone already pointed that way
[23:14] <oerheks> it is just google earth..
[23:15] <adamantium> i see
[23:16] <adamantium> Rumen: you might start looking into your compositor settings if you are using one. For example, if it is set to opengl 2.0 you might try xrender backend, or vice versa, with some trial and error, you might be able to get a more stable situation.
[23:16] <Rumen> Yes used Firefox and Chromium
[23:18] <Rumen> You mean this settings? https://ibb.co/jzMu4J
[23:20] <adamantium> Rumen: no. they'd be in your desktop environment settings/options
[23:26] <Rumen> I will give it a try!
[23:34] <xav1us>  <nacc> xav1us: check yhour LD_LIBRARY_PATH | it's empty
[23:36] <nacc> xav1us: oh it's from /etc/ld.so.conf.*
[23:36] <nacc> xav1us: why did you install a non-standard library in /usr/local?
[23:37] <xav1us> nacc:  because it's where they are always installed by default.. Idk
[23:38] <nacc> xav1us: no, why do you need a non-standard libcurl?
[23:38] <xav1us> afaik, nacc, local is used for `locally` installed software, built from sources in other words
[23:39] <nacc> xav1us: if you really don't want to use /usr/local/ for a library, then set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be more specific
[23:39] <xav1us> nacc: because i need a newer version of it.
[23:39] <nacc> xav1us: yes, i know what it's for.
[23:39] <nacc> xav1us: for *what*?
[23:39] <xav1us> nacc:  i misinterpreted the question
[23:40] <xav1us> nacc: because I need openssl 1.1 methods and ssl 1.1 compatible calls in libcurl used in the software that is ran on old server machines that would be upgraded to 18.04 not very soon
[23:41] <xav1us> and 14.04 doesn't supply that stuff in any of their repos
[23:44] <foo> Do I want to put init scripts, for python, in /etc/init or /etc/systemd/system ?
[23:49] <nacc> xav1us: run in a container or VM?
[23:49] <leftyfb> foo: if it's an upstart init script, it goes in /etc/init.d/ and gets setup properly. If you want systemd to manage it, then you'll need to write and setup a systemd unit
[23:49] <nacc> foo: but what do you mean by an "init script" *for* python?
[23:50] <nacc> xav1us: it doesn't really make sense to run *new* software on a system that came out 4 years ago
[23:50] <xav1us> nacc: any arguments?
[23:53] <nacc> xav1us: don't follow?
[23:53] <oerheks> xav1us, logically if you need openssl 1.1, you would use something newer, and give our volunteers no headache
[23:54] <xav1us> nacc: the thing is that is ran in container. But, there's some legal aspect only management knows about: regulation committee required the system running on 14.04 for upcoming release. Other than that I could not agree more.
[23:54] <nacc> xav1us: tbh, you have said to your system that *by default* you want a newer openssl globally.
[23:54] <nacc> xav1us: you could also easily just edit the ld.so file
[23:54] <oerheks> tell that committee, no go dude!
[23:55] <xav1us> oerheks: your arguments make sense, I would like my packages as fresh as the system (honestly that's why i use arch with rolling release myself). But sometimes business is just ****** up.
[23:55] <xav1us> sorry for taking your time.
[23:56] <xav1us> nacc: I just got myself much more deep in mud: I  built cmake against curl.  Farewell fine folks
[23:57] <xav1us> won't distract you anymore, sorry again.
[23:57] <oerheks> xav1us, have fun :-)
[23:59] <xav1us> nacc: sorry that you misinterpreted my obscure text, I am sometimes double speaking: I only want 1.1 just being used for app environment. Fortunately, I don't even need anything beyond that in docker containe.