[12:03] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: gonna give it a shot, thanks
[12:03] <kst> dont think linux will fit on 8mb :)
[12:04] <GBenemy> hitomaro: see dev/sda1 open Partition manager (system -> administration) and resize that
[12:04] <Tech-Mike> anybody know howto fix: Wnck-Warning ** Unhandled action (nil)
[12:04] <GBenemy> make 3 partitions
[12:04] <Random832> can you resize ntfs?
[12:04] <GBenemy> yes
[12:04] <hitomaro> ok
[12:04] <NewOnThis> Which version should I dload?
[12:04] <khatahn> kst: linux would, ubuntu won't
[12:04] <astro76> hitomaro, if this is going to be only Ubuntu, back up a step and pick guided partitioning
[12:04] <ech0dish> you should go back, and use the guided partition
[12:04] <ader10> POLL: VMWare vs Virtual Box
[12:04] <kst> khatahn ;-)
[12:04] <mjancaitis> NewOnThis: do you have a 64-bit proc?
[12:05] <GBenemy> hitmaro: resize them to how big you want to keep your ntfs and make one how big your ubuntu is going to be, then resize the ubuntu one again to make another one of around 500mb
[12:05] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: yes, but I mean 6.06 or 7.04?
[12:05] <mjancaitis> NewOnThis: 7.04, definitely, imo
[12:05] <hitomaro> GBenemy so you want my to click on /sda1 and Edit the partition?
[12:05] <GBenemy> keep the ntfs the same (ntfs) but make the primary ubuntu one ext2 or ext3 and the smaller one "linux-swap"
[12:05] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: ok thanks, will dload that one
[12:05] <rico> can I ask some VirtualBox help in here? :)
[12:05] <mirak> so now Rythmbox is almost my favorite player
[12:05] <mjancaitis> NewOnThis: good luck
[12:05] <GBenemy> there should be a button at the top "resize"
[12:05] <ech0dish> hitomaro, go back and use the guided partition
[12:05] <mirak> I wouldn't have believed it would be possible
[12:05] <hitomaro> ok
[12:05] <rico> ader10, I like VirtualBox for having seamless. :b
[12:05] <Gutsy_b> What are some portable mp3 players that will work with linux and ogg files?
[12:05] <ech0dish> yeah resize if you want dual boot
[12:06] <romuloo> amaroK rulez
[12:06] <kst> NewOnThis go for latest release which is 7.04, an even newer version (7.10) will be available in 2 weeks from now
[12:06] <mirak> rico: cowon
[12:06] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: thanks, hope that one works for me, otherwise I'll go hang myself xD
[12:06] <mirak> rico: and old irivers
[12:06] <kst> but you can easily upgrade then
[12:06] <rico> mirak: cowon?
[12:06] <mjancaitis> Gutsy_b: I think Cowon players will work
[12:06] <GBenemy> PriceChild: is this good?
[12:06] <mirak> rico: Cowon
[12:06] <rico> oh. Gutsy_b's the one asking :)
[12:06] <hitomaro> "An error occurred while writing the changes to the storage devices.
[12:06] <hitomaro> The resize operation is aborted."
[12:06] <GBenemy> click the arrow on the left
[12:06] <hitomaro> ok
[12:06] <Gutsy_b> I'll check that thanks
[12:06] <GBenemy> and see what the errors were
[12:06] <ader10> mirak: My favorite player of all time is mpd.
[12:07] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: one last question, would I be able to install the text based without problems?
[12:07] <overlord> How do enably NTFS read-write support in Feisty Fawn?
[12:07] <mjancaitis> Gutsy_b: the iAudio7 offers 60 hours of playback supposedly
[12:07] <overlord> enable*
[12:07] <mirak> ader10: berk
[12:07] <GBenemy> overlord ntfsg
[12:07] <rico> hey guys.. a question on VirtualBox. I'm 'upgrading' from the OSE version to the proprietary. I just uninstalled OSE and installed VirtualBox from debs (i'm on ubuntu gutsy). is this the only thing I have to do? I'm having problems with this. shouldn't I update the guest additions on the XP guest?
[12:07] <astro76> !ntfs-3g | overlord
[12:07] <ubotu> overlord: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[12:07] <SpiderPig> where is the file in linux that saves all my gnome settings? i need to back it up
[12:07] <rico> overlord, you have to edit your fstab to use the ntfs-3g and have the rw option
[12:07] <mjancaitis> NewOnThis: it will likely *install* correctly, whether it boots after that is the trick
[12:07] <rico> overlord, the URL there might be of some assistance
[12:07] <GBenemy> *ntfs-3g, sorry
[12:07] <mirak> rico: look for cowon audio players, or any player that support rockbox
[12:07] <overlord> rico: thanks..
[12:07] <PriceChild> !gutsy | rico
[12:07] <ubotu> rico: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[12:08] <ech0dish> if you use, fat32 install for the win partition you don't have to worry about ntfs-3g
[12:08] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: oh :S I see...
[12:08] <mjancaitis> NewOnThis: depending on your hardware, you might have to give grub a couple of tags (noapic, noacpi, etc) to get it to boot and then you can work on getting the display and everything else just right
[12:08] <macd> SpiderPig, typically ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf will get everything
[12:08] <rico> pricechild, mmm, I think it was more of a question on VBox and not necessarily on the ubuntu version :)
[12:08] <mjancaitis> NewOnThis: with any luck though, if you're on well-supported hardware, everything will work
[12:08] <SpiderPig> macd um what? can you give me the whole path?
[12:08] <mirak> rico: http://build.rockbox.org/  check all this players. rockbox is an open source OS. some players are not sold anymore
[12:09] <rico> /home/yourusername/.gnome
[12:09] <NewOnThis> mjancaitis: thanks a lot, I'll be back xD
[12:09] <macd> SpiderPig, not without knowing your login name, ~/ will automatically take you to the current users directory, those listed above are subdirectories, you'll want all of them.
[12:09] <Kronos> great so it seems that for some odd reason ubuntu doesnt like my system... all well give it anothing go tomorrow if not back to old rubish windows
[12:09] <Tech-Mike> window-decor prob: Wnck-Warning ** Unhandled action (nil) ... any help?
[12:09] <mjancaitis> rico: rockbox is great, I put it on my nano a while back to get FLAC support
[12:09] <SpiderPig> macd ok im on bitchx so the text is already gone. can you give it to me again? ill save it this time
[12:10] <macd> SpiderPig, typically ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf will get everything
[12:10] <NewOnThis> Is there any app like WinAvi video converter or TMPGENC for Linux? I mean a good video converter
[12:10] <scguy318> ffmpeg? :P
[12:10] <NewOnThis> Is that simple of use? or way hard? :P
[12:11] <Meroigo> SpiderPig, "~/" is the same as "/home/username/". If you write ~/ in terminal, nautilus etc it will resolve it to your username's home path. :) It's nice.
[12:11] <mirak> rico: you don't hear me ??
[12:11] <macd> NewOnThis, ffmpeg would be the =, there are also GUI's for it, look into DeVeDe, it converts virtually anything to anything
[12:11] <FurryNemesis> NewOnThis, to convert filetypes?
[12:11] <hitomaro> I'm having resizing problems. :(
[12:11] <ppj> is this lm-sensors thing the best way to control fanspeed?
[12:11] <rico> mirak: I wasn't the one asking the mp3 player question
[12:11] <NewOnThis> yes, between formats
[12:11] <macd> ppj, lm-sensors reads sensors, acpid typically controls them
[12:11] <rico> mirak: I think It was Gutsy_b :)
[12:12] <filthpig> I'm currently running gutsy on a live cd and on a 32" LCD TV (LG 32lb2r), and I luckily get some image at all (had to do a little work to get it to work with feisty), but gutsy does not recognize my monitor by default. To fix this on feisty I just had to run nvidia-settings-config, and it autodetected my TV. Now, I want to make sure this works with gutsy too, but when trying to enable the nvidia restricted driver I get 404: IP not found.. (f
[12:12] <NewOnThis> sorry for too much questions, but I've never used Linux before.
[12:12] <ppj> macd, oh, okay, i was setting lmsensors up and my computer just shutoff (nf4), that common?
[12:12] <davious> exit
[12:12] <mjancaitis> filthpig: #ubuntu+1 for gutsy questions
[12:12] <mehmetserif> can i enable composite with ati radeon express x1200 graphic card?
[12:12] <mirak> Gutsy_b: look for Cowon players, or players on this page that support rockbox http://build.rockbox.org/
[12:12] <FurryNemesis> NewOnThis, well, welcome, and feel free to bug us :)
[12:12] <_Andrew> NewOnThis: You can never ask too many questions ;)
[12:12] <FurryNemesis> hear hear
[12:12] <hitomaro> I can't seem to find the reason why I'm having a resizing problem, I went to guided partition and I keep getting that very problem. :/
[12:12] <NewOnThis> thanks mates ^^
[12:12] <macd> ppj, not really, but most likely it probed a sensor that didnt want to be probed, this isnt a thinkpad is it?
[12:13] <GBenemy> hitomaro: if you use guided partition, it will erase everything on your disk
[12:13] <rico> mehmetserif: hmm
[12:13] <ppj> macd, nope. dfi lanparty motherboard, a desktop
[12:13] <FurryNemesis> that said, does anyone know how I can stop xchat displaying all my text in grey?
[12:13] <hitomaro> oh wow
[12:13] <ppj> macd, it did crash on the second probe so i guess i'll just skip that one
[12:13] <mehmetserif> rico, ?
[12:13] <GBenemy> hitomaro, you have windows currently installed?
[12:13] <hitomaro> fortunately enough I clicked undo
[12:13] <rico> mehmetserif, some ATI cards are blacklisted, I'll check if yours is in there
[12:13] <macd> ppj, yeah good plan, to control fanspeeds and others look at fancontrol and pwmconfig packages
[12:13] <hitomaro> yes but I have nothing on my windows
[12:14] <GBenemy> hitomaro, do you wish to keep your windows though?
[12:14] <hitomaro> I just installed a fresh windows just a couple of minutes ago
[12:14] <mehmetserif> rico, i looked at it on composite
[12:14] <GBenemy> ah, do you want to dual boot, or have ubuntu only?
[12:14] <mehmetserif> rico, i looked at it on composite's wiki bu i couldn't see x1200
[12:14] <ppj> macd, easy to setup? Im having a hardtime working on this because the fans keep revving up and down and this is by no means a quiet server
[12:14] <hitomaro> I'd like dual boot. :)
[12:14] <Sleepybrains> Hello,
[12:14] <GBenemy> ok
[12:14] <rico> mehmetserif, the blacklisted ATI cards are ati rs480 and rv350... so guess your card is okay :]
[12:14] <strangelv> "What's the channel for Gutsy?
[12:14] <NewOnThis> If I use Ubuntu x64, and want to convert video, will it be faster than doing it in W1nd0wz 32 bits? I know Linux is Robust, but is it faster than the famous W?
[12:14] <GBenemy> hitomaro, go System -> Administration -> GNOME Partition Editor
[12:14] <linxeh> #ubuntu+1
[12:14] <mjancaitis> #ubuntu+1
[12:14] <linxeh> i guess
[12:14] <Kronos> guyz how do i check for any comflicts/ problems during boot up?
[12:15] <GBenemy> right click your ntfs -> unmount
[12:15] <mehmetserif> rico, where do u look for it?
[12:15] <strangelv> "danke
[12:15] <macd> ppj, as easy as anything else in console ;)
[12:15] <ppj> cool thanks
[12:15] <GBenemy> strangelv, #ubuntu+1
[12:15] <rico> mehmetserif, there was URL somewhere but I can't seem to find it anymore. now I just checked my /usr/bin/compiz for it
[12:15] <GBenemy> oh :(
[12:15] <ppj> these fans are really pissing me off
[12:15] <_Andrew> NewOnThis: I don't think it really matters which operating system you covert video on
[12:16] <FurryNemesis> ppj, fan problem?
[12:16] <Sleepybrains> looking to switch from vista to a linux os was looking for a good primer on the subject
[12:16] <mehmetserif> rico, ok so i can use it right?
[12:16] <mjancaitis> Sleepybrains: like what?
[12:16] <macd> ppj, I send you a URL in priv to a decent article on fan speeds
[12:16] <unagi> anyone here have a problem with maya crashing because of an unknown signal?
[12:16] <NewOnThis> Andrew: I see.
[12:16] <macd> sent*
[12:16] <Sleepybrains> well, i don't know anything about linux os's
[12:16] <ppj> FurryNemesis, eh, just a new ubuntu install, the fans are revving up and down, just trying to keep them in one place right now
[12:16] <unagi> Sleepybrains: where do i begin
[12:16] <Sleepybrains> and i'm sick of vista
[12:16] <hitomaro> GBenemy
[12:16] <_Andrew> Sleepybrains: What are you looking for specifically? What alternative programs to use? How to install it?
[12:16] <ader10> What's the best console mpd program?
[12:16] <GBenemy> Sleepybrains: i suggest dual booting first, that way if you don't like it you can easily revert
[12:16] <unagi> Sleepybrains: when vista came out i was impressed
[12:16] <FurryNemesis> macd, I've got the same problem :(
[12:16] <ppj> macd, great thanks
[12:16] <GBenemy> hitomaro, yes?
[12:17] <mehmetserif> rico, but i have one more question, do i have to have with xgl or with aiglx?
[12:17] <hitomaro> what do you mean by unmount? I right clicked
[12:17] <unagi> Sleepybrains: but not so much anymore.....linux is more stable and faster
[12:17] <ppj> FurryNemesis, it's common with all linux distros i've used
[12:17] <rico> mehmetserif, I'm not sure :)
[12:17] <BrokenPipe> Anyone had luck getting the newest Apple Wireless Keyboard working that can give me a hand?
[12:17] <FurryNemesis> ppj, mine started today for some reason
[12:17] <Sleepybrains> i'm just afraid i won't be able to use all of the software programs that i use now
[12:17] <GBenemy> hitomaro, what options does it give you?
[12:17] <IndyGunFreak> hitomaro: you there?
[12:17] <ppj> FurryNemesis, ah, weird
[12:17] <mjancaitis> Sleepybrains: installing Ubuntu is fairly simple, and there's not much of a learning curve to it
[12:17] <Sleepybrains> like support for my mp3 player
[12:17] <hitomaro> hey Indy
[12:17] <hitomaro> yes
[12:17] <Meroigo> Does it exsist a program that can change my desktop background like every five minutes or so? :P
[12:17] <ppj> FurryNemesis, mine does it until i enable the fan controllers
[12:17] <mjancaitis> Sleepybrains: what programs are you concerned about specifically?
[12:17] <ader10> Merogio: Yes, I don't remember what it's called.
[12:17] <FurryNemesis> fan controllers?
[12:17] <_Andrew> Sleepybrains: What programs we can suggest alternatives
[12:17] <ader10> Meroigo: I know KDE has it by default
[12:18] <FurryNemesis> I never found out how to do that.....
[12:18] <hitomaro> hey GBenemy, thanks for the help
[12:18] <Sleepybrains> well, that's not the issue really... where would you send a noob to learn about switching over to ubuntu
[12:18] <veynom> !zombie
[12:18] <mjancaitis> Sleepybrains: ubuntu.com, of course!
[12:18] <Meroigo> ader10, okay, i use gnome
[12:18] <Sleepybrains> i looked there, obviously
[12:18] <GBenemy> hitomaro, did you get it working?
[12:18] <randomness> Sleepybrains: i'd send you a live cd
[12:18] <Y3k> how do i list the information of a user? UID, PID, groups, etc
[12:18] <ader10> Meroigo: I know xfce has something too
[12:18] <Sleepybrains> can i just burn a cd, of an iso and reformat and install?
[12:18] <FurryNemesis> ppj, d'you think you could forward me the url that macd qave you please?
[12:19] <ader10> Meroigo: I'm not sure about gnome though
[12:19] <_Andrew> Sleepybrains: There is alot of reading material. If you need a quick question asked then come by here and someone should be able to answer you! :D
[12:19] <Meroigo> okay..
[12:19] <randomness> Sleepybrains: with a livecd you wouldn't need to reformat.. just pop it in and give it a try
[12:19] <astro76> Sleepybrains, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows/
[12:19] <GBenemy> Sleepybrains: i recently swapped from windows to linux about 2 weeks ago...i have been a windows user since '95, and for the first few days i hated ubuntu (sorry) however, after spending some time in here, it found it easy to learn my way around it, and use it
[12:19] <Sleepybrains> perfect! thank you... sorry for the bother
[12:19] <Lifeisfunny> What's the Ubuntu program I need to install similar to iTunes?
[12:19] <ppj> amarok
[12:20] <ppj> er, for KDe though
[12:20] <GBenemy> i use iTunes :S
[12:20] <Lifeisfunny> gnome
[12:20] <levarnu> not similar...better! :)
[12:20] <rico> Lifeisfunny, exaile,  rhythmbox
[12:20] <ppj> exaile i guess
[12:20] <GBenemy> if you have itunes on a windows partition, just use wine
[12:20] <Lifeisfunny> rico, thanks, you too ppj
[12:20] <_Andrew> Lifeisfunny: I'm using Rhythmbox which is installed by default in Ubuntu although some people don't like i
[12:20] <rico> wine + itunes didn't work for me with itunes 7.01
[12:20] <ppj> i use kde libs just for amarok
[12:20] <Lifeisfunny> now windows here
[12:20] <arnath> hi, i have windows xp on first sata drive, linux ubuntu 7.10 on second, grub has been wiped by the windows install, but i can't seem to reinstall grub properly
[12:20] <GBenemy> really? it does for me
[12:21] <juha_> in synaptic view, packet box, what does that orange ubuntu symbol mean?
[12:21] <ppj> hell i use linux just just for amarok
[12:21] <macd> !grub | arnath
[12:21] <rico> arnath, do you have your Ubuntu install cd?
[12:21] <scguy318> arnath: have you tried using the Super GRUB CD?
[12:21] <rico> you can use that to reinstall grub.
[12:21] <arnath> rico: yes
[12:21] <Lifeisfunny> _Andrew, yeah, I have that installed already.  didn't know it worked
[12:21] <macd> oh dear
[12:21] <arnath> rico: i know
[12:21] <macd> where is uboto
[12:21] <neo_> hi
[12:21] <ader10> What's the best console program for mpd?
[12:21] <GBenemy> uboto?
[12:21] <arnath> rico: i did the find /boot/grub/stage1, it gave me (hd1,1)
[12:21] <scguy318> juha_: it means that the package is an official repo package, and not in universe or another repo
[12:21] <rico> arnath, good, then do "root (hd1,1)"
[12:21] <rico> and setup (hd1)
[12:21] <unagi> arnath in my experience i havent been able to get grub to work when installing windows second but you can use the windows bootloader.....
[12:21] <arnath> rico: first time i installed it, it didnt work at all (it did say it was installed, but skipped grub and went straight for windows anyway)
[12:22] <unagi> but of course its going to go into grub after the windows loader.......lemme know if u want the solution
[12:22] <juha_> thaks scguy318
[12:22] <rico> oops, "setup (hd0)" since you want it installed on the firs tdisk
[12:22] <GBenemy> i edit my grub files
[12:22] <GBenemy> *edited
[12:22] <GBenemy> the defaults annoyed me
[12:22] <unagi> i hate how it says its longhorn
[12:22] <GBenemy> yeah: i changed that
[12:22] <neo_> why after i have installed the new Kernel for my Ubuntu 7.04 it shows me that the PC have errors etc ?
[12:23] <arnath> unagi: i dont quite understand why grub wont work anymore after windows isntall?
[12:23] <arnath> unagi: i mean, that it cant be installed anymore
[12:23] <GBenemy> now, my list says "Windows Vista" "Ubuntu" "Ubuntu (Memory Test)"
[12:23] <toed> how can I move everything around on my gnome panel thing
[12:23] <GBenemy> with Windows as the default
[12:23] <GBenemy> :P
[12:23] <unagi> windows overwrites the grub bootloader as the default
[12:23] <macd> toed, right click what you want and unlock it, and move it
[12:23] <tetrach> i am a newb and have a few questions is there someone here who could help out in a private chat
[12:23] <scguy318> neo_: what sort of errors?
[12:24] <coreymon77> !fixgrub | GBenemy
[12:24] <arnath> unagi: ye but reinstalling it should be easy, no?
[12:24] <toed> macd: most things have "move" grayed out
[12:24] <scguy318> tetrach: asking here is fine
[12:24] <ctothej> what do I have to do to ensure a certain module gets loaded at bootup? I am trying to replace my network card driver from sky2 to sk98lin driver.
[12:24] <ader10> What's the best console program for mpd?
[12:24] <tetrach> ok thanks
[12:24] <scguy318> tetrach: the channel isn't seriously busy
[12:24] <toed> like the menus and the clock
[12:24] <hitomaro> (06:18:27 PM) GBenemy, No but IndyGunFreak was helping me out earlier and he's picking off where he left off
[12:24] <coreymon77> !grub | GBenemy
[12:24] <hitomaro> thanks anyways
[12:24] <macd> toed, yeah, then uncheck the lock to panel box
[12:24] <coreymon77> never mind that
[12:24] <GBenemy> coreymon77: I don't want to fix it
[12:24] <GBenemy> i just edited it to suit me
[12:24] <toed> ugh, that's a lot of mouse clicks
[12:24] <coreymon77> GBenemy: isnt that what the problem is?
[12:24] <GBenemy> no why?
[12:24] <mjancaitis> toed: it's more than you can do in Windows though :D
[12:24] <GBenemy> i don't have a problem
[12:24] <dawiz> can anyone help with install?
[12:25] <macd> toed, if 2 is too many then I feel sad for you.
[12:25] <unagi> i wouldnt say easy
[12:25] <magnetron> how do i do full disk encryption with ubuntu 7.04 or 7.10 ?
[12:25] <ppj> ugh this pwmconfig is confusing
[12:25] <astro76> !anyone | dawiz
[12:25] <GBenemy> ubotu isn't in the channel
[12:25] <GBenemy> he's online though
[12:25] <macd> hes back
[12:25] <astro76> dawiz, ask ;)
[12:25] <coreymon77> GBenemy: oh, sorry, i thought it was the grub after windows thing
[12:25] <ader10> What's the best console program for mpd?
[12:25] <dawiz> its the keyboard
[12:25] <GBenemy> no no not me :P thanks though
[12:25] <Agrajag> ader10: ncmpc
[12:25] <toed> macd: 2 for each thing on the panel
[12:25] <_Andrew> dawiz: Whats wrong with it?
[12:25] <toed> it shuffled itself for some reason when I rebooted
[12:26] <dawiz> works fine til it wants me to choose it from list, then i dont find an exact match on the list, the arrow keys stop working and i cant finish install
[12:26] <astro76> dawiz, what kind of keyboard do you have?
[12:26] <unagi> is there a network manager out there that allows you to refresh your wireless list
[12:26] <tetrach> my computer came with vista and i would like to now dual boot ubuntu. what is the best way to go about this
[12:26] <dawiz> logitech mediaboard
[12:27] <unagi> that is the one major thing about ubuntu that bugs me
[12:27] <GBenemy> tetrach = resize your vista partition and install ubunt
[12:27] <GBenemy> *ubuntu
[12:27] <macd> !dualboot | tetrach
[12:27] <unagi> mandriva has a rocking network monitor
[12:27] <ubotu> tetrach: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[12:27] <macd> bleh
[12:27] <_Andrew> unagi: You mean like wifi radar?
[12:27] <unagi> not exactly
[12:27] <grozeille> hello, is there someone skilled about pango/cairo/etc. to explain me something, plz ?
[12:27] <unagi> wifi radar is too out there for me
[12:28] <ppj> Is there any form of GUI fan management
[12:28] <unagi> more or less a sys tray app
[12:28] <EviL_SmUrF> I would think the best way of dual booting ubuntu with vista would be to not dual boot ubuntu with vista. just remove vista ;) horrible, horrible software
[12:28] <macd> ppj, not that I ever found
[12:28] <astro76> dawiz, the default should work fine
[12:28] <ppj> I need something I can constantly change the fan speeds with
[12:28] <ppj> :<
[12:28] <GBenemy> PriceChild: sorry, i've been helping properly now though :D
[12:28] <g0dd3ss> unagi,  have u tried wicd
[12:28] <dawiz> default?
[12:28] <stefg> tetrach: make sure you have a backup first, and that you are able to restore windows bootloader, in case something goes wrong
[12:28] <unagi> no i havent lemme check it out
[12:28] <macd> ppj, you can set acpi events to trigger the fans on only at certain temps
[12:28] <magnetron> how do i do full disk encryption with ubuntu 7.04 or 7.10 ?
[12:28] <stefg> !install | tetrach
[12:28] <ubotu> tetrach: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[12:28] <astro76> dawiz, whatever is selected, you don't have to change it
[12:28] <DragoraN> hi all
[12:28] <dawiz> default is not an option on the list
[12:28] <_Andrew> Hi
[12:29] <Nemes> I haven't got any problems to reproduce DVD-5's, but I'm getting the error message "Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?" when trying to play DVD-9's. Any idea?
[12:29] <dawiz> nothing is selected
[12:29] <ikonia> magnetron: full disk is a big ask
[12:29] <dawiz> it gives me a list
[12:29] <DragoraN> how it is possible that my ubuntu box issues certificates with validity from tomorrow? :)
[12:29] <dawiz> generic dos key?
[12:29] <GBenemy> _Andrew: hi
[12:29] <_Andrew> dawiz: Can you pick a keyboard layout that is similar to yours but won't mess up the install
[12:29] <ppj> macd, can you set a buffer? I can do the same thing in windows, but the problem is it will get to the max temperature to kick in the fan, say 35... cool back to 34, and shut off the fan.. then turn it back on at 35.. and its just a cycle
[12:29] <magnetron> ikonia: i was thinking everything except /boot
[12:29] <dawiz> ive tried many
[12:29] <astro76> dawiz, I can't remember what it's called, what's the first one?
[12:29] <macd> magnetron,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto
[12:29] <ppj> It doesn't seem like a big deal but this server is ungodly loud and sitting next to me
[12:29] <ikonia> magnetron: even / is a pretty big ask
[12:29] <magnetron> thank you, macd
[12:29] <ikonia> magnetron: boot scripts etc etc
[12:29] <dawiz> some off brand its alphabetical
[12:30] <tetrach> ok once i resize my partition for vista i just load ubuntu and just install.  will the install do everything i need it to with out my assistance
[12:30] <astro76> dawiz, you're installing Feisty?
[12:30] <dawiz> yep
[12:30] <GBenemy> tetrach, yup
[12:30] <GBenemy> but you'll need to make 2 partitions
[12:31] <GBenemy> one for ubuntu, one for swap
[12:31] <tetrach> how big for swap?
[12:31] <scguy318> tetrach: how much memory do you have?
[12:31] <astro76> dawiz, and you're on step 3 Keyboard layout?
[12:31] <tetrach> 2gigs why?
[12:31] <scguy318> tetrach: do you want to hibernate/suspend?
[12:31] <tetrach> or do you mean hard drive space
[12:31] <scguy318> tetrach: probably a little more than 2 GB then
[12:32] <dawiz> yes
[12:32] <GBenemy> tetrach, i made mine 1gb
[12:32] <dawiz> asking for keyboard model
[12:32] <_Andrew> tetrach: If you put in an Ubuntu live CD it will boot up Ubuntu without needing to install anything. You can then play around with Ubuntu but it will be slow because its on the CD. To install it you double click on the "Install Ubuntu" icon. It will ask you a few questions like what your language is, what username and password you want. After that it will install ubuntu and ask you to reboot your computer
[12:32] <GBenemy> tetrach: just DON'T click "Guided" when it asks you to chose where on you hdd you want to install
[12:33] <tetrach> yeah i have been playing around with it and i like it so far but cd is slow and i would like ot eventually convert to linux
[12:33] <progek> Hi room, I installed cvscedega, it compiled fine and ran make install without problems. I read that now I need to run cvscedega to create the config folder and such but that command is not found. Anyone know where I can locate this script? locate cvscedega shows nothing
[12:33] <tetrach> so my swap is dependant on how much memory i have installed?
[12:34] <astro76> dawiz, you click on US English on the left?
[12:34] <dawiz> its a list
[12:34] <razer_> What cd writing program does ubuntu come with and is it really easy for old people to remember how to just take a file and burn it to a cd?
[12:34] <stefg> progek: run sudo updatedb before you try again to locate
[12:34] <dawiz> no right or left
[12:34] <dxdt> tetrach: yes it exists on your hard drive.  Most people do swap = 2*size of ram, but that is becoming less relevant as memory sizes grow.
[12:34] <GBenemy> tetrach; yes
[12:34] <dawiz> and yes entered us english
[12:34] <astro76> dawiz, dawiz it doesn't look like this? http://fosswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ubuntufeistyinstallpicture-4.png
[12:34] <razer_> Anyone heard of easy Ubuntu?
[12:35] <_Andrew> razer_: When you put in a blank CD you just drag and drop files you want to write onto the cd and click burn
[12:35] <progek> stefg thanks, i'll try
[12:35] <astro76> !easyubuntu
[12:35] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[12:35] <razer_> Ok.
[12:35] <razer_> andrew: Have you ever heard of easy Ubuntu? its a script.
[12:35] <_Andrew> nope
[12:35] <tetrach> can i use gnome partition editor to create my partitions once i have re-sized my vista drive
[12:35] <amadeux> ktorrent uses 500MB+ of memory while having about 10 downloads and 1 upload. Isn't there a torrent client that uses way less memory than that? that is insane! I even set it for low memory usage in the settings
[12:35] <scguy318> tetrach: yes
[12:35] <bbardlbradd> Hey, I'm having trouble connecting to an irc room, I have set the channel to #philosphy in us.undernet.org, what else do I need to do??? I thought that was it?
[12:35] <dawiz> no
[12:35] <astro76> razer_, there's dirt-simple cd burning built into the file manager, click Places > CD/DVD Creator
[12:35] <razer_> Andrew: it is supposed to install common needed things for ubuntu that it can't come with.
[12:35] <unagi> i have like 4 linux swaps
[12:36] <unagi> lol
[12:36] <progek> works, thanks
[12:36] <unagi> i dont know why
[12:36] <dawiz> its the alternate disc
[12:36] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: join it i guess?
[12:36] <astro76> razer_, all those things are simple to install, you don't need dodgy scripts
[12:36] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: if your client isn't already doing that
[12:36] <razer_> Andrew: Because I need to get flash and zip programs installed in one quick swipe.
[12:36] <scguy318> tetrach: swap size is kinda dependent on RAM, since you probably will be suspending/hibernating to disk
[12:36] <razer_> I need to be able to get EVERYTHING I need with one quick step. Zip program, codecs, etc.
[12:36] <astro76> dawiz, just look for a generic 101-key keyboard if yours isn't listed
[12:36] <scguy318> tetrach: if you dont plan to do that you don't have to have swap at all really
[12:36] <_Andrew> razer_: You can get flash from Ubuntu you dont need a script
[12:36] <bbardlbradd> scguy318, I've set it to autojoin...
[12:36] <razer_> Like what Linspire comes with.
[12:37] <astro76> !synaptic | razer_
[12:37] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: can you join it manually?
[12:37] <ubotu> razer_: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[12:37] <tetrach> what do you mean suspending/hibernanting?
[12:37] <razer_> Andrew: I just mean to be up and running for any web page, all those pugins and stuf.
[12:37] <astro76> razer_, installing stuff is easy
[12:37] <dawiz> ive done that its a 104
[12:37] <scguy318> tetrach: suspending or hibernating your Linux machine
[12:37] <bbardlbradd> scguy318, how do I go about doing that?
[12:37] <tetrach> gotcha
[12:37] <razer_> Now is Click and Run coming with Ubuntu now?
[12:37] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: /join #philosophy?
[12:37] <astro76> razer_, sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras flashplugin-nonfree sun-java6-plugin
[12:38] <tetrach> what benefit is it to do suspending/hibernanting
[12:38] <dawiz> do 101?
[12:38] <razer_> I just need to get TONS of stuff installed for my parents computer, I can't be around to get each plugin or codec, when I'm not around.
[12:38] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: just make sure to do it on the undernet server and not here :)
[12:38] <_Andrew> razer_: There are packages available from the repositories that give you flash support.. go to applications -> add/remove -> search for "flash"
[12:38] <progek> anyone know the terminal command to pause output? for extremely long output which goes overflows the buffer
[12:38] <bbardlbradd> scguy, after connecting to undernet.org?
[12:38] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: yes
[12:38] <astro76> razer_, ubuntu offers to install codecs automatically when needed also
[12:38] <razer_> I heard about "easy Ubuntu" that sounds like the closest thing to what I need.
[12:39] <razer_> astro76, oh ok good.
[12:39] <bbardlbradd> scguy318, and if connecting to undernet is the problem?
[12:39] <scguy318> tetrach: some people don't like to load everything each time they boot, so they suspend, BUT Linux is kinda crappy with suspend, it may or may not work for you
[12:39] <militant> is there a faq recommended for amd64 + flash?  i'm googling, just wondering
[12:39] <razer_> This is for you parents you see. I just need to make sure Ubuntu gets ALL those extra little things installed at once after install.
[12:39] <Jack_Sparrow> razer_: BE CAREFUL WITH THOSE QUICK FIX SCRIPTS.. MANY DO ORRIBLE THINGS TO YOUR INSTALL
[12:39] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: what do you mean?
[12:39] <ech0dish> @
[12:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Srooy for the caps people
[12:39] <tetrach> ok i see
[12:39] <razer_> Jack_Sparrow: Ok
[12:39] <ech0dish> @a test
[12:39] <razer_> Though I hope Easy Ubuntu will not ruin the Ubuntu install.
[12:40] <dxdt> militant: long story short, it sucks and your options are run 32bit fierfox + 32bit flash, or go  with 64 bit gnash, that is barely functional at the moment :(
[12:40] <tetrach> will i get the prompt on which system i would like to load one ubuntu is installed
[12:40] <_Andrew> razer_: Its not good to use scripts because it can break your system. Its better to install deb packages because you can easily re-install or remove them
[12:40] <Jack_Sparrow> razer_: It is supposed to be one of the better scripts.  it still is not hard to do it manually
[12:40] <militant> dxdt: i see forum posts where people say it works fine?
[12:40] <amadeux> ktorrent uses 500MB+ of memory while having about 10 downloads and 1 upload. Isn't there a torrent client that uses way less memory than that? that is insane! I even set it for low memory usage in the settings
[12:40] <bbardlbradd> scguy318:I mean, it's not that I can't find the channel, it's that I can't connect to undernet.org
[12:40] <razer_> Andrew: Well its a pain to have to install tons of things just to get the computer up and running to a normal level.
[12:41] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: i can connect just fine, what client are you using?
[12:41] <Jack_Sparrow> razer_: Everyone has their normal level.. what is right for you is not right for everyone.
[12:41] <bbardlbradd> xchat (feisty fawn)
[12:41] <bbardlbradd> I think it
[12:41] <razer_> I liked the level Linspire came with. It had everything I needed already installed.
[12:41] <bbardlbradd> just takes longer than It usually does on my mac
[12:41] <dxdt> militant: the 32bit thing does work fine, but it is one of those things where I get sad having to basically downgrade myself to be able to use something like that.  Hopefully one day Gnash will be better.  Gnash right now will not play the majority of flash for me.  Youtube, sure.  COmedy Central?  no.  Stuffs like that
[12:41] <razer_> But, it was not as solid or well done as Ubuntu.
[12:41] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: mIRC on Wine for me :P anyway, connecting shouldn't be an issue, though I've never used X-Chat
[12:42] <stefg> amadeux: is that memory used for anything else? Don't complain about your ram being actually put to use, if there's plenty of it
[12:42] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: /server us.undernet.org I guess, though I'm not sure how X-Chat handles multiple IRC connections
[12:42] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: that may kick you off this one :P
[12:42] <militant> dxdt: ahh ok.  so i won't have to re-do my roommate's install with a 32bit system, i can just downgrade ff.  i'll google that and try it out, or do you know of a good faq/howto?
[12:42] <Jack_Sparrow> razer_: you only need to build your configuration once, you can then clone it all you want or remaster the cd for a more custom version
[12:42] <_Andrew> razer_: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[12:42] <tetrach> if i were to reinstall windows could it share a file system partition
[12:43] <scguy318> tetrach: what do you mean?
[12:43] <dxdt> militant: I"ve seen some stuff in the forums, but I wouldn't call it a *good* how to if you know what I mean.  Sorry :-/
[12:43] <scguy318> tetrach: its very good idea to give the Windows installation its own partition
[12:43] <militant> ok, thanks.  i'll figure it out
[12:43] <tetrach> i would give windows os its own partition but partition where my file are stored
[12:44] <EviL_SmUrF> wow. ubuntu actually has drivers for my freaking canon mp150. that's never happened before. i've never had a linux distro installed that worked so easily with my printer
[12:44] <EviL_SmUrF> <3
[12:44] <scguy318> tetrach: sure, thats not a problem
[12:44] <Eric_Cartman> is there enyone
[12:44] <Eric_Cartman> haloooo
[12:44] <scguy318> hai
[12:44] <bbardlbradd> thx for your help scguy318 ;)
[12:44] <amadeux> stefg: Yeah, I need that memory for other apps that I am running. ktorrent is slowing my machine down with swapping etc. 500MB should not be necesary for a torrent client
[12:44] <scguy318> bbardlbradd: np
[12:45] <progek> I installed cvscedega with the WineCVS.sh script. It passed configure, compiled and ran make install and said complete. How can I start cvscedega now? If I type cvscedega I get command not found, same with cedega
[12:45] <ivanhoe> coul you tellme where i could get a how -to to build my own drivers
[12:45] <scguy318> progek: sudo make install? perhaps
[12:45] <_Andrew> progek: did you do "sudo make install" ?
[12:45] <stefg> tetrach: linux can read and write ntfs, and there's a filesystem driver that makes windows ext2/3 aware. (don't know about vista) Personally i rather use ext3 for shared date (fat32 is out of question for various reasons)
[12:45] <tetrach> scguy318: tks alot for your help
[12:45] <scguy318> ivanhoe: writing hardware drivers from scratch? not easy :) how to compile a driver? see !make
[12:45] <scguy318> !make | ivanhoe
[12:45] <progek> scguy318 thanks, the script ran make install last
[12:45] <ubotu> ivanhoe: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:46] <scguy318> progek: has to be done as root I think
[12:46] <tetrach> stefg: so it wouldn't be wise?
[12:46] <ctothej> can someone pastebin or private msg me the output of their 'route' command? (home network preferred)
[12:46] <ikonia> ctothej why do you want to see other peoples networks
[12:46] <progek> scguy318 yeah I ran the script as root :( first time it complained about permissions so I went under root and ran the script again. strange... it said complete and shows it passed configure, make and make install
[12:47] <scguy318> progek: do you know where it put the binaries? im guessing /usr/local/bin?
[12:47] <alecwh> Hello! I'm having some serious problems with NetworkManager, and I need to restart the whole app. How do I completely reinstall the NetworkManager?
[12:47] <ctothej> ikonia: i just want to see if my entries are normal. i changed drivers and reconfigured the network. while reading the driver's readme, it mentions the route command and to check it.
[12:47] <progek> scguy318 I'll look in there again
[12:47] <ikonia> ctothej what someone else has shuld be different to yours
[12:47] <ikonia> ctothej: post yours in a pastebin
[12:47] <MasterShrek> alecwh, do you want to reinstall it or restart it?
[12:47] <ctothej> ikonia: ok
[12:47] <alecwh> MasterShrek: reinstall. I want to totally get rid of it, then redo it.
[12:47] <stefg> tetrach: fat32 fragments and has a 4 GB size limit (so you can't store a DVD image on it). I'd see if there's a ext3 driver available for vista and have a separate ext3 shared data partition
[12:48] <_Andrew> alecwh: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:48] <MasterShrek> alecwh, there should be an option in synaptic to completely remove it, then just install it back
[12:48] <alecwh> _Andrew: I want to reinstall it.
[12:48] <alecwh> ok, thanks.
[12:48] <_Andrew> oh right
[12:48] <ctothej> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39715/
[12:49] <ikonia> ctothej: looks fine
[12:49] <Chris__> Could I pm someone? I need help partitioning my hard drive properly in ubuntu
[12:49] <ctothej> ikonia: ok great thanks.
[12:49] <progek> scguy318 empty in there, I was following a guide which said after running the script I needed to run cvscedega to create the config dir .cvscedega.. I just cannot find it
[12:49] <ikonia> Chris__ just ask the question
[12:49] <Chris__> i cna't ask a question here
[12:49] <Chris__> because
[12:49] <dxdt> Chris__: just ask in here first
[12:49] <Chris__> i won't be able to read it
[12:49] <Chris__> with all this typing
[12:49] <ikonia> Chris__ you can read what I'm typing, so ask here
[12:49] <Artemis3> i have a vfat formatted pendrive, do you know how to change its label?
[12:50] <Chris__> not in this shitty irc client
[12:50] <progek> if I try locate cvscedega it just shows stuff in .WineCVS but it's not there
[12:50] <Chris__> could I please pm you?
[12:50] <ckin2001> progek, sudo find / -name cvscedega
[12:50] <ikonia> Chris__ there is no need for bad langauge
[12:50] <Chris__> or..could we join another room?
[12:50] <Chris__> ok sorry
[12:50] <ikonia> Chris__: ask in the channel
[12:50] <Chris__> ok...
[12:51] <Chris__> I am in the Live CD...basically, I have a 500 gig hard drive... I want about 20 gb for ubuntu, a LOT of space for storage, and maybe 40 or 50 gigs for Windows XP
[12:51] <_Andrew> Chris__: If you ask in the channel more people can help you
[12:51] <Chris__> Could someone help me set it up?
[12:51] <progek> ckin2001 DOH! it was in /home/myUser/bin    interesting it placed it there, I would have thought somewhere else. thanks
[12:51] <ikonia> Chris__ so partition it like that
[12:51] <Chris__> See, you're not helping.
[12:51] <Chris__> I don't know how.
[12:51] <Chris__> That is why i am here.
[12:51] <ckin2001> progek, np, find is a pain to learn, but man is it useful :D
[12:51] <_Andrew> Chris__: I suggest you install windows first
[12:51] <Chris__> ok
[12:51] <Chris__> why though?
[12:51] <ikonia> Chris__ launch the installed - make 2 partitions, a 40 gig one, a 50 gig one and then a smaller one for swap, then a final one made up the rest
[12:52] <ikonia> Chris__ launch the installer
[12:52] <Chris__> ok but...
[12:52] <tetrach> stefg: i think i am going to to just re-size the drive for no and install on the space left over. tks alot for your help
[12:52] <Chris__> do i have to worry about ext3 or whatever?
[12:52] <Chris__> do i just make standard partitions?
[12:52] <Chris__> ntsf?
[12:52] <Chris__> i don't partition a lot
[12:52] <MasterShrek> Chris__, only make the windows install partition ntfs
[12:52] <Chris__> ok
[12:52] <Chris__> so the 40 gb one
[12:52] <MasterShrek> install windows first though
[12:53] <MasterShrek> yea
[12:53] <stefg> Chris__: 64 MB /boot (linux) , then 50 gigs win, then 10 Gigs ubuntu / ,some space for /home, rest /storage
[12:53] <ikonia> Chris__: you parition the disk in the ubuntu live cd - then install windows, then install ubuntu
[12:53] <Chris__> lol
[12:53] <Chris__> confusing
[12:53] <eobanb> Chris__,
[12:53] <Chris__> so this is what i'm gonna do....
[12:53] <ikonia> Chris__: we've told you what to do
[12:54] <Chris__> from the windows cd... i'll create a ntfs space for 40 gb.........and then another space for 50 gb
[12:54] <theron|home> ;s
[12:54] <theron|home> ls
[12:54] <Chris__> so the 50 gb is for ubuntu
[12:54] <Chris__> and what about swap space?
[12:54] <ikonia> I told you - create a small swap space parition
[12:54] <MasterShrek> Chris__, u can just make the 40 gig for windows there, and worry about the rest during the ubuntu install
[12:54] <MasterShrek> leave it as free space or whatever
[12:54] <_Andrew> Chris__: I assume you want to share files between windows xp and ubuntu. Just install windows first with alot of space and keep your media there and then install windows with whatever you have left on the disk. Ubuntu can read your windows partition and will set that up for you when you install it.
[12:54] <Chris__> ahh this is so hard to read
[12:54] <Chris__> in this gnome irc client
[12:54] <Chris__> 1 sec
[12:55] <Hilikus> will ubuntu automatically update pacakegs in a server?
[12:55] <Chris__> so, can i not just make ALL of the partitions from the ubuntu live cd?
[12:55] <nickrud> Chris__: that makes sense, windows will understand your partitioning. then cut up the ubuntu partition as stefg said
[12:55] <Hilikus> packages*
[12:55] <ikonia> Hilikus: not unless you set tiit to
[12:55] <Chris__> what's the difference?
[12:55] <scguy318> Hilikus: not sure, I would imagine no, it would be kinda disruptive
[12:55] <Chris__> someone please pm me
[12:55] <scguy318> Hilikus: to, say, update apache while running a server automatically
[12:55] <Chris__> this is ridiculous
[12:55] <_Andrew> Hilikus: Not by default.. you have to type sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:55] <scguy318> Chris___: tweak your fonts
[12:55] <ikonia> Chris__: instlal windows - then launch the ubuntu installer
[12:55] <Hilikus> thanks
[12:56] <_Andrew> Hilikus: That will check if you have any updates to do
[12:56] <Chris__> you ok...
[12:56] <Chris__> but in one package
[12:56] <Chris__> spell it out for me again
[12:56] <Chris__> i can't understand when everyone is saying someone
[12:57] <Chris__> it's confusing...
[12:57] <ikonia> install windows. Then launch the ubuntu installer and partition the extra paritions for ubuntu
[12:57] <Chris__> wait
[12:57] <MeRodent> !enter | Chris__
[12:57] <ubotu> Chris__: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:57] <_Andrew> Chris__: Install Windows XP with lots of space then install Ubuntu after that
[12:57] <Chris__> please pm me  ikonia...
[12:57] <ikonia> Chris__: no - you've been told what to do
[12:57] <Glam> can someone help me reinstall ubuntu?
[12:57] <Hilikus> im trying to decide if i want to use phpbb package or if i will install it manually, the package is of course behind the lastest version, what do you guys recommend?
[12:57] <ikonia> Chris__: install windows - then install ubuntu
[12:57] <Chris__> ok
[12:57] <Chris__> install it
[12:58] <Chris__> on 40 gb or so...then just go into ubuntu..and THEn what?
[12:58] <Chris__> i don't know how to partition it properly.
[12:58] <Chris__> in ubuntu
[12:58] <ctothej> how can I stop the sky2 driver from loading? I put it in the blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d, but it still loads on boot
[12:58] <Chris__> like
[12:58] <ikonia> Chris__:the ubuntu installer will help you
[12:58] <ikonia> Hilikus its personal preference
[12:58] <Chris__> i know..but it's not that easy
[12:58] <Chris__> like
[12:58] <Chris__> wtf is the difference between logical and primary
[12:58] <Chris__> it was giving me some damn error
[12:58] <Chris__> like
[12:58] <_Andrew> Hilikus: If you are going to use PHPBB just download it. Get the latest version and then you need to mod it so spammers don't mess up your board
[12:58] <Chris__> ERROR!!! CAn't start the end before beginninng
[12:58] <Hilikus> ikonia im guessing if its a package, doing the apt-get update that you said would notify me of updates ,whereas manually i wont know
[12:58] <ikonia> Chris__: just make primary paritions, and you've been asked to not use offensive language like WTF
[12:59] <ikonia> Hilikus: very true
[12:59] <Chris__> ok
[12:59] <Hilikus> ok
[12:59] <Hilikus> thanks
[12:59] <_Andrew> Hilikus: Although thats true with PHPbb you really have to add extra spam protection
[12:59] <pyCube> people use phpbb? :-p
[12:59] <Hilikus> even for the packaged version?
[01:00] <Hilikus> pyCube what do you use
[01:00] <Chris__> so last time.... 50 gb for windows  .....then go into ubuntu live cd....install ubuntu on 50 gb etx3 with "/"..... and then just create a sqap space of like.... 1 gig........ and all of the ubuntu partitions i make primary
[01:00] <Chris__> Is this correct?
[01:00] <pyCube> Hilikus: for what?
[01:00] <Chris__> swap*
[01:00] <ikonia> Chris__: sounds good
[01:00] <Chris__> ok thanks
[01:00] <Chris__> :D
[01:00] <Hilikus> pyCube for BB
[01:01] <pyCube> nothing
[01:01] <Glam> uh like, im stuck on the partitioning part
[01:02] <Glam> i have an internal hard drive and then an external harddrive
[01:02] <citrusflavord> what are the steps to building to gnome/sawfish from ubuntu server?
[01:02] <MasterShrek> Glam, whats the problem?
[01:02] <Glam> im trying to figure out how to partition it again
[01:03] <Glam> i have ubuntu before, but then i got rid of it somehow
[01:03] <nickrud> citrusflavord: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop sawfish (ubuntu-desktop comes with metacity)
[01:03] <n0va> trying to open FireFox i get "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" fix ne1?
[01:03] <MasterShrek> u need a swap partition that is roughly as big as how much ram you have, and the rest can be mounted at / or you can break it up and mount the partitions in different places, but its not nessicary
[01:04] <MasterShrek> n0va, try uninstalling it and reinstalling it
[01:04] <rico> n0va, what did you do?
[01:04] <n0va> cklicked icon
[01:04] <nickrud> home! home! everyone needs home, ease of reinstall
[01:04] <n0va> *clicked, then ran in terminal
[01:04] <Glam> im using the swap part from the last install, and then i got rid of the old part where i installed ubuntu and replaced it with a new one
[01:05] <MasterShrek> n0va, also try moving ~/.mozilla or deleting it and try it again
[01:05] <citrusflavord> nickrud thats pretty cool / easier then I thought thanks. does ubuntu-desktop come with all the prepackaged software?
[01:05] <MasterShrek> Glam, ok, so whats the problem? just make sure its going to mount that at /
[01:05] <MasterShrek> then u should be fine
[01:05] <n0va> bit drastic? MasterShrek
[01:05] <nickrud> citrusflavord: yes, the complete desktop: openoffice, mail, firefox, etc
[01:05] <MasterShrek> n0va, thats where your user settings are, it could be something in there
[01:05] <n0va> rgr ty
[01:06] <Glam> uh hold on i'm trying to restart the installation again :X
[01:06] <Glam> and it's not aborting :/
[01:06] <citrusflavord> nickrud: does Kde-desktop come with prepackaged also then?
[01:06] <MasterShrek> yes citrusflavord
[01:06] <nickrud> citrusflavord: yes, but I'm not familiar with exactly what: and it's kubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <Glam> uh...i think the installation froze
[01:07] <Glam> i can't abort it :/
[01:08] <Glam> and i'm up to the prepare disk space
[01:08] <aTypical> Hi, all.  I'm having an issue with the alternate cd install.  It gets to 90% and then freezes.  Is that normal?  Is that a point where it should take some time to get information?  I've waiting about 10 minutes, but nothing.
[01:09] <nickrud> aTypical: brltty-11?
[01:09] <goat|work> which package is the route binary apart of?
[01:09] <HellbreakerCCCP> ummm Greetings mein comrades
[01:09] <nickrud> aTypical: hitting clt-f8 will show you a log of what's happening, you might get a good clue there
[01:09] <Polygon89> where do i download the individual debs for past releases? aka dapper?
[01:09] <aTypical> OK.  Thanks, nickrud.  I'll try that.
[01:10] <nickrud> Polygon89: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <HellbreakerCCCP> i have a question about installing Ubuntu on a comp with windows already on it
[01:10] <_Andrew> Polygon89: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <HellbreakerCCCP> i dont want to keep the windows
[01:10] <Polygon89> nicrud, _Andrew im at that place but i see no link to download the deb, only the source code and diff files
[01:10] <HellbreakerCCCP> i just want to keep a few folders from getting deleted when i install linux
[01:11] <HellbreakerCCCP> how would i go about doing this?
[01:11] <HellbreakerCCCP> i cant put it on a portable device atm
[01:11] <Glam> is it possible for the installation to freeze?
[01:11] <goat|work> back them up to a separate location?
[01:11] <HellbreakerCCCP> where to?
[01:11] <_Andrew> Polygon89: You must be clicking the wrong links.. what deb did you want?
[01:11] <Polygon89> im wanting this package here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/libc6
[01:11] <Glam> 'cause i keep pressing quit and it's still there [it's been like 5 minutes D:]
[01:11] <goat|work> HellbreakerCCCP: cd-r?
[01:11] <nickrud> Polygon89: click the architecture of the machine you want the deb for (next to the list of files)
[01:12] <hou5ton> What is a good, user friendly CD burner for Ubuntu?
[01:12] <HellbreakerCCCP> yea i cant put it on cd-r agtm
[01:12] <goat|work> oh
[01:12] <HellbreakerCCCP> other wise i would do that
[01:12] <Polygon89> nickrud, ahhhhh that works :D its hard to see that when the links are the same color as the text ;) much thanks
[01:12] <goat|work> then you may want to make a fat-32 partition HellbreakerCCCP
[01:12] <MeRodent> HellbreakerCCCP, use live cd to run gparted. Add a small fat32 partition and copy the files to it.
[01:12] <goat|work> and stick your data on there
[01:13] <_Andrew> hou5ton: There is one built in. When you pop in a blank CD, an icon pops up on your desktop if you drag items into the CD icon and click burn it will burn those files to the CD
[01:13] <citrusflavord> is it possible/wise to run xorg on move then layer 7?
[01:13] <Glam> uh, what should i do?
[01:13] <Glam> the installation is sorta stuck
[01:13] <Glam> and im trying to quit outta it
[01:13] <HellbreakerCCCP> u think i could put them on the RECOVERY drive?
[01:14] <HellbreakerCCCP> and get them back after the installation?
[01:14] <goat|work> no, thats usually read only by the computer manufacturer
[01:14] <HellbreakerCCCP> k
[01:14] <hou5ton> _Andrew:  agreed ... but it doesn't show me how full the CD is getting as I add things, and there didn't appear to be an intuitive way to remove something from the burn.
[01:14] <MeRodent> hou5ton, try gnomebaker
[01:15] <nickrud> hou5ton: gnomebaker and better (but kde, hence a lot of extra libraries get loaded) k3b
[01:15] <citrusflavord> how does one close xorg?
[01:15] <slain> hi all
[01:15] <gogeta> ctrl alt backspace
[01:16] <hou5ton> MeRodent and nickrud:  thanks
[01:16] <hou5ton> _Andrew:  you too.  :-)
[01:16] <nickrud> citrusflavord: shut down, alt-ctl-f1, log in, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:16] <citrusflavord> gogeta doesnt that restart it?
[01:16] <gogeta> yep
[01:16] <slain> or from the terminal "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[01:16] <Glam> uh, a little help here?
[01:16] <_Andrew> Glam: Whats wrong?
[01:17] <nickrud> Glam: I'd turn off the machine. If you haven't done any repartitioning, no problems
[01:17] <gogeta> init 3 works to
[01:17] <Glam> is there another way beside turning it off and then back off?
[01:17] <nickrud> gogeta: not on ubuntu
[01:17] <gogeta> sence when
[01:17] <gogeta> worked for me plenty of times
[01:18] <nickrud> gogeta: rc3.d shows gdm as a start service
[01:18] <gogeta> init 3 shuts it down
[01:18] <gogeta> it will say stoping gdm
[01:18] <gogeta> i dont think it works on boot anymore thow
[01:18] <gogeta> you need to do it afterwords
[01:19] <gogeta> then if you go 5 it will start it again
[01:19] <gogeta> havent done it on the latest ver
[01:19] <nickrud> gogeta: you do this on ubuntu, or red hat
[01:19] <gogeta> may be wrong
[01:20] <DrakeJustice_> you guys should give SLinux a try im tellin' ya... its kubuntu+easyness+more cool hacks... plus more easyness...
[01:20] <gogeta> ubuntu
[01:20] <TeleTubbies_|_> Hi.
[01:20] <DrakeJustice_> anyone in here need any help?
[01:20] <TeleTubbies_|_> DrakeJustice_: Yes
[01:20] <DrakeJustice_> what do you need tele?
[01:20] <gogeta> same hear
[01:20] <TeleTubbies_|_> I just got my Ubuntu CD and I'm completely confused.
[01:21] <gogeta> teletubbies
[01:21] <gogeta> toss it in the drive
[01:21] <gogeta> boot it
[01:21] <DrakeJustice_> TeleTubbies, why are you confused?
[01:21] <TeleTubbies_|_> I put it in my CD drive.
[01:21] <dxdt> hey I just got my cd's for my LUG too!  Little late, but still works.  Gonna put them all around the University
[01:21] <TeleTubbies_|_> Then I couldn't find setup.
[01:21] <DrakeJustice_> after you put the cd in the drive, cut the computer off
[01:21] <nickrud_> nope, no change
[01:21] <dxdt> holy crap type more than 5 words before hitting enter TeleTubbies_|_
[01:21] <gogeta> odd
[01:21] <DrakeJustice_> then cut the computer back on with the disk still in the drive
[01:21] <gogeta> used to work on gusty
[01:22] <TeleTubbies_|_> Okay trying...
[01:22] <TeleTubbies_|_> This is on my laptop
[01:22] <gogeta> you might ned to change to boot order
[01:22] <gogeta> some biops are set harddrive first
[01:22] <nickrud_> gogeta: debian (and by inheritance ubuntu) has never used run levels to differentiate between terminal and X environments
[01:22] <gogeta> nickrud gusty did
[01:22] <TeleTubbies_|_> It is booting Windows.
[01:22] <gogeta> i did it often
[01:22] <stefg> TeleTubbies_|_: Understand that ubuntu isn't a windows application. it's a OS with different paradigms than you are used to, so you might have a read first
[01:23] <nickrud_> gogeta: I run gutsy. Just did it again
[01:23] <gogeta> i had to manuly configure x
[01:23] <DrakeJustice_> what? you never left the chatroom, how did you cut the computer off?
[01:23] <gogeta> and had to use init 3
[01:23] <stefg> !install | TeleTubbies_|_
[01:23] <ubotu> TeleTubbies_|_: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[01:23] <TeleTubbies_|_> draconius: It is on the laptop!
[01:23] <gogeta> couse otherwise x world hardware lockup
[01:23] <TeleTubbies_|_> DrakeJustice_: Realize that most people have more than two PCs
[01:23] <DrakeJustice_> gotcha!
[01:23] <TeleTubbies_|_> :)
[01:24] <MeRodent> TeleTubbies_|_, you may need to change the bios settings to allow you to boot from CD 1st
[01:24] <gogeta> ill go try it
[01:24] <DrakeJustice_> sry... im not sure... is it a really old laptop?
[01:24] <DrakeJustice_> is it a edgy, feisty, or gutsy cd?
[01:24] <Elda> meh ....
[01:24] <TeleTubbies_|_> It is brand new
[01:24] <TeleTubbies_|_> Gutsy
[01:24] <Elda> I have to make it stop autojoining me on here
[01:24] <DrakeJustice_> try a newer CD or SLinux...
[01:24] <TeleTubbies_|_> Wait I'm not sure
[01:25] <DrakeJustice_> i don't know then man... sounds like an unsupported cdrom drive, or maybe bios settings have to be configured to boot the CD-rom before the harddrive
[01:25] <TeleTubbies_|_> It is Ubuntu
[01:25] <stefg> TeleTubbies_|_: you shouldn't use that. Gutsy is a building site, and *will* break a couple of times before the final release
[01:25] <TeleTubbies_|_> Now I got it starting...
[01:25] <stefg> !gutsy TeleTubbies_|_
[01:25] <stefg> !gutsy | TeleTubbies_|_
[01:25] <ubotu> TeleTubbies_|_: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[01:25] <DrakeJustice_> good job!
[01:25] <TeleTubbies_|_> uh oh error
[01:26] <DrakeJustice_> lol
[01:26] <DrakeJustice_> the power of modern linux... lol
[01:26] <DrakeJustice_> what is the error, teletubbies?
[01:26] <gnubuntu11> TeleTubbies maybe a troll :)
[01:26] <Glam> teletubbies are creepy
[01:27] <Glam> :/
[01:27] <DragoraN> what does mean "certificate is not yet valid", time and date is correct
[01:27] <Glam> ok, when the prepare disk space installing part comes up, my partitioned part doesn't come up
[01:27] <Glam> so do i go into manual?
[01:27] <gogeta> humm
[01:28] <gogeta> looks like it was changed
[01:28] <Supaplex> I need an apt mirror please. http://releases.ubuntu.com is apparently only for cd images.
[01:28] <gogeta> my other services stop but x doesent
[01:28] <Gumby> Glam, are you sure the partitioner is using the right hard drive?
[01:28] <LjL> Supaplex: {two-letters-countrycode}.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:28] <LjL> !source-o-matic > Supaplex    (Supaplex, see the private message from Ubotu)
[01:28] <gogeta> it used to i think befor the live cd style
[01:28] <bbardlbradd> Hey, I'm having trouble with Banshee, does anyone know why, or have an idea for why, when I start Banshee, it takes seriously, 3-5 minutes to come up... The splash screen sits on "loading GUI" for about 5 minutes
[01:28] <Glam> the guided is showing up my internal hdd and external hdd
[01:28] <MeRodent> Glam, if you use the resize option it will allocate swap automatically. btw. Try keep your typing to one block.
[01:28] <Glam> but i partitioned another part of my hdd
[01:29] <TeleTubbies_|_> Something is VERY strange here...
[01:29] <Glam> just for ubuntu
[01:29] <bbardlbradd> "loading user interface" is what it actually tells me...
[01:29] <TeleTubbies_|_> Something is really weird with my Ubuntu CD.
[01:29] <veynom> what does this mean :   :DSOUND_MixOne problem with underrun detection
[01:29] <TeleTubbies_|_> This error is weird. Never seen this error before.
[01:29] <Gumby> Glam, if it shows the hard drve then it shows all partitions on that hard drive that have been properly partitioned
[01:29] <vocx> !enter > TeleTubbies_|_
[01:29] <TeleTubbies_|_> http://pastebin.ca/727389 - This is my error.
[01:30] <vocx> !enter > Glam
[01:30] <TeleTubbies_|_> Not sure why it would do this.
[01:30] <bbardlbradd> Banshee also stalls when I try to connect to a stream, and if I switch from Library to Radio and back to library
[01:30] <DrakeJustice_> h/o teletubby
[01:30] <TeleTubbies_|_> http://pastebin.ca/727389 - Should I report this kernel error to kernel.org or to Ubuntu?
[01:31] <TeleTubbies_|_> h/o ?
[01:31] <gogeta> yrp nickrud they did change the configs to start x evn at runlevel 3
[01:31] <DrakeJustice_> hold on a sec
[01:31] <gogeta> its a ubuntu thing
[01:31] <Glam> so since the ubuntu part i partitioned it would go under the external hdd under guided, not as a seperate part?
[01:31] <goat|work> anyone know what package the route binary is in?
[01:31] <veynom> !libjack
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libjack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <gogeta> you can change it back thow
[01:32] <dxdt> that was one of the better trolls I think I've seen
[01:32] <DrakeJustice_> sum1 ban TeleTubby!
[01:32] <DrakeJustice_> i r so lame...
[01:32] <LjL> DrakeJustice_: you might have noticed your request was already fulfilled before you even asked.
[01:32] <Glam> so the partitioned part would go under the external hdd in guided?
[01:32] <Glam> not as a seperate part?
[01:33] <DrakeJustice_> thx
[01:34] <Glam> so i'll take the silence as a yes?
[01:34] <vocx> !who > Glam
[01:34] <vocx> !patience > Glam
[01:34] <Gumby> !enter > vocx
[01:34] <Gumby> hehehe
[01:35] <Glam> /rolleyes
[01:35] <Gumby> Glam, I always manually partition so I have no idea re: guided partitioning
[01:35] <goat|work> glam can you rephrase your question?
[01:36] <Glam> i partitioned my external hdd into 3 parts
[01:36] <goat|work> ok
[01:36] <Glam> 1 part is related to windows
[01:36] <Glam> another part is a swap, and then the last part is for ubuntu
[01:36] <goat|work> your putting your OS on an external HD?   ok, so whats your question?
[01:37] <Glam> i want to install ubuntu onto the external hdd space is set out just for it
[01:37] <goat|work> then don't use guided
[01:37] <Glam> then go under manual?
[01:38] <goat|work> do manual, and set tthe 3rd partition to /
[01:38] <goat|work> and 2nd to swap
[01:38] <ganoush> I'm looking to run virtual hosting on ubuntu and am curious how postfix can handle multiple domains.
[01:38] <ppj> oh my god i missed amarok
[01:38] <RoC_MasterMind__> Hey what's with this "your router has a bug?" is this new?  I don't think my router has a bug and I've never gotten this before.
[01:38] <Gumby> Glam, running an OS off of an external hdd doesnt always work.  YOu\ll have to e sure that the kernel has the drivers needed to run your hard drive, usb, etc compiled into it.  The last time I tried was awhile ago and the necessary modules werent compiled in
[01:38] <nickrud> Glam: and I'd suggest writing grub to the mbr of the external, that way windows will still boot if the external is not plugged in.
[01:38] <dxdt> ppj: lol me too I had to install it cause Rhythmbox was making me want to kill people
[01:39] <ppj> dxdt, lol, i run ubuntu just for amarok
[01:39] <gogeta> xmms
[01:39] <gogeta> is the best
[01:39] <Gumby> mplayer
[01:39] <ppj> nothx.
[01:39] <ppj> i have 50k ogg/mp3s
[01:39] <IndyGunFreak> gogeta: its a little dated.. i don't think its even updated anymore, audacious is way better
[01:39] <thorett> how do i get help?
[01:39] <ppj> i like having a nice little sql database
[01:39] <gogeta> ppj riaa commith
[01:40] <Y3k> sudo chown is not working for me, "sudo chown game:game <dir>" keeps the dir still owned by root
[01:40] <ppj> gogeta, i deejay!
[01:40] <gogeta> lol
[01:40] <vocx> !ask | thorett
[01:40] <Y3k> any ideas?
[01:40] <ubotu> thorett: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:40] <ppj> i probably don't have any sony/bmg music anyway
[01:40] <thorett> oh
[01:40] <gogeta> hey they sue dead people think a dj is gonna stop em
[01:40] <Glam> i had it work for me before, but i uninstalled it
[01:40] <nickrud> Y3k: is this on an ntfs or vfat partition?
[01:40] <thorett> well, i just updated my gutsy version and my X seemed to "crash"
[01:40] <thorett> when i  rebooted
[01:40] <Y3k> on a ext3 partition i believe (if that means anything)
[01:41] <nickrud> Y3k: yes, it means it should work
[01:41] <macd> a mysql patch for rythmbox would rock.
[01:41] <thorett> i suspect it has something to do with the "linux-restricted-modules-generic" package is held back
[01:41] <Gumby> Y3k, the directory is still root:root or the files within the directory are?
[01:41] <Y3k> the dir
[01:41] <vocx> !gutsy | thorett
[01:41] <ubotu> thorett: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[01:41] <thorett> !gutsy
[01:41] <Some_Person> Why is Gutsy taking so long? I WANT IT NOW!
[01:41] <Gumby> Y3k, and game is a user and group?
[01:42] <thorett> any suggestions?
[01:42] <arghh2d2> k Some_Person
[01:42] <Y3k> Gumby, yes
[01:42] <ReD2121> where can i get the ATI drivers to get my 1680x1050 resolution back
[01:42] <Glam> ok, im just double checking, the ubuntu goes on / and swap is under swap
[01:42] <MeRodent> thorett, ask in #ubuntu+1
[01:42] <thorett> ok thx
[01:42] <vocx> !ATI | ReD2121
[01:42] <ubotu> ReD2121: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:42] <nickrud> Y3k: and you're sure your sudo is working elsewhere?
[01:43] <Some_Person> nVidia
[01:43] <Y3k> hmm.. let me try changing ownership on other folders
[01:43] <Gumby> Y3k, try sudo -s and then doing the command (without sudo)
[01:43] <Glam> it comes up with an error that the system file doesn't have expected sizes for windows to like it
[01:43] <nevron> does anyone know howto set the rwin values under feisty
[01:43] <kjp> anyone know of a folder-actions program for linux ?
[01:43] <nickrud> Y3k: or sudo iptables -L , that's a good safe usage of sudo
[01:44] <nevron> does anyone know howto set the rwin values under feisty
[01:44] <thorett> guess im the only one with the problem, huh
[01:45] <nevron> is there a channel where i can find info about setting the rwin value
[01:45] <vocx> !repeat | nevron
[01:45] <ubotu> nevron: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:45] <nevron> does anyone know howto set the rwin values under feisty
[01:45] <nickrud> thorett: yes, that would cause your X to fail, if you're using the restricted modules. You can switch to the free ones until restricted catches
[01:45] <nickrud> up
[01:45] <thorett> okay
[01:45] <nevron> nobody knows about rwin?
[01:46] <MeRodent> !enter | nickrud  :P
[01:46] <ubotu> nickrud  :P: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:46] <thorett> so basically i did not screw up my system, i just have to wait for the package to arrive?
[01:46] <Gumby> nevron, if someone knows they will answer
[01:46] <nickrud> thorett: simplest way is sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg
[01:46] <thorett> what does that do?
[01:46] <nevron> i am getting speeds like 20kb and i am on a 4096 kbps adsl
[01:46] <nevron> can anyone help me with rwin
[01:47] <nickrud> thorett: resets your X server definition to the default. Sort of the opposite of using restricted manager
[01:47] <Y3k> Gumby: sudo -s and then doing command without sudo doesn't work, operation not permitted
[01:47] <thorett> oh
[01:47] <thorett> cool
[01:47] <hgjjjf> what can i do on ubuntu now that i have the fbi watching my ip
[01:47] <thorett> but ill stick with the restricted, im happy with it
[01:47] <Gumby> Y3k, sounds like sudo is broken
[01:47] <nevron> gumby where else can i ask about rwin values
[01:47] <macd> nevron, linux now does TCP auto-tuning, is there any reason you feel the need to change that?
[01:47] <thorett> ill see if its out when i wake up tomorrow
[01:47] <jpt9> hey
[01:47] <jpt9> i'm running the gutsy beta from the LiveCD.
[01:47] <Glam> is the partition i'm trying to install ubuntu is suppose to be mounted?
[01:48] <Pici> jpt9: #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy questions please.
[01:48] <nickrud> thorett: I'm impatient, gotta have X now :)
[01:48] <jpt9> okay.
[01:48] <nevron> macd i ll tell you my rwin value than maybe you can think of that :)
[01:48] <thorett> well its 10 to 2 in the night here
[01:48] <thorett> so im kinda lazy
[01:48] <nickrud> zzzzzzzzz
[01:48] <Glam> im not sure if it's suppose to be mounted or not
[01:48] <Gumby> nevron, you tell me your rwin value and I'll explain how to use than/then properly
[01:48] <nevron>  Your TCP Window limits you to: 234 kbps (29 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
[01:48] <nevron>  Your TCP Window limits you to: 94 kbps (12 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
[01:48] <nevron> where my connection is 4096kbps!
[01:49] <nevron> so autotuning doesnt work in my case
[01:49] <RoC_MasterMind__> I like VLC, but whenever it's open, the screensaver never turns on, even if it's paused.  Any ideas?
[01:49] <overclucker> hgjjjf: lay low
[01:49] <thorett> but thanks u guys, been great help! i really appreciate it, kinda warms up a newbie-heart
[01:49] <Y3k> Gumby, never mind, i figured it out... don't be in <user1>, use su - <user2> and try to sudo, it doesn't work right
[01:49] <macd> nevron, the default rwin is set to 5840
[01:49] <Y3k> thanks for the help
[01:50] <Gumby> Y3k, hehe, nice
[01:50] <nickrud> lol
[01:50] <clouder> RoC_MasterMind__: there is a setting somewhere under preferences to let the screensaver come on
[01:50] <hgjjjf> overclucker,  hey called me and said they got me for downloading movies i told her someone hacked into my comp and wireless she said ok well we are watchin  now and if u do another ur goin to prison for 10 yrs
[01:50] <nevron> no i think it is 5856
[01:50] <macd> nevron, so I suspect the method your using to check is flawed, if its a website could you give me the url?
[01:50] <nevron> www.speedguide.net
[01:50] <thorett> love and devotion lives on!
[01:50] <acidchild> hgjjjf: HAHAHAHAHA LOSER
[01:50] <RoC_MasterMind__> clouder, I want the screensaver to come on when video is paused, but to be turned off when video is playing...VLC does not offer that flexibility
[01:50] <nevron> there is an analyzer there
[01:50] <acidchild> you take your ISP's word seriously?
[01:50] <clouder> RoC_MasterMind__: probably not, but I've never looked into it
[01:50] <nevron> macd are you following?
[01:51] <macd> nevron, yes, I already used it
[01:51] <Glam> um, i keep getting a warning when i try to go forward
[01:51] <nevron> ok i think my rwin should be set to around 66900 or so
[01:51] <clouder> RoC_MasterMind__: you could always use ctrl-alt-L
[01:51] <macd> it gives me the same values, though I can assure you my download isnt limited to the reported speeds, Im on 10mb sdsl and I see the max speed from it
[01:51] <Glam> something about the files system doesn't have expected sizes for windows to like it, do ignore it?
[01:51] <nevron> but now it is only 5856
[01:52] <overclucker> hgjjjf: what you need to do is lookup the number that called you at that time, and verify that it was the fbi
[01:52] <macd> nevron,  it reports me as the same 5856
[01:52] <wabiD> has anyone tried compiling xbmc for linux?
[01:52] <hgjjjf> overclucker,  i did it came back it was
[01:52] <macd> nevron, and my download speed test from speedtest.net is 8904kbps
[01:52] <vocx> overclucker, hgjjjf acidchild that's off topic
[01:52] <nevron> ok macd how about the things under bandwidth delay product
[01:53] <overclucker> hgjjjf: #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:53] <macd> Your TCP Window limits you to: 234 kbps (29 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
[01:53] <RoC_MasterMind__> clouder, I could, but I want a screen saver...I have vlc open all the time...but now no ss
[01:53] <hgjjjf> overclucker,  i got the 1-800 numb and yes it is offtopic so im goin to room #wwed
[01:53] <macd> nevron, so thats obviously a flawed calculation
[01:53] <nevron> it says something like your tcp window limits you
[01:53] <macd> nevron, the tcp stack auto tunes, its very possible its not being utilized enough at the test time to make it retune itself
[01:54] <nevron> ok but the strange thing is that they are true for my download and upload speeds :)
[01:54] <nevron> i am suffering
[01:54] <macd> nevron, does speedtest.net report that as your speed?
[01:54] <nevron> let me see
[01:55] <procrastinator> for some reason when sharing a folder in feisty via smb, upon accessing it in windows, it requests a user/pass, any ideas how to allow all access and/or what that current user/pass is?
[01:56] <gogeta> should be your ionux user pass
[01:56] <gogeta> linux
[01:56] <macd> procrastinator, it wants your linux boxes user/pass , and you can refer to the samba guide on the ubuntu wiki for ways to make it perm
[01:56] <nevron> ok speedtest.net reports 3300kbps and there are some updates running
[01:56] <nevron> at the background
[01:56] <datharn> hello
[01:57] <Skyracer> Hey guys.
[01:57] <datharn> i am new to ubuntu
[01:57] <Skyracer> Anyone available for help?
[01:57] <vocx> !ask | Skyracer
[01:57] <ubotu> Skyracer: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:57] <Skyracer> :)
[01:57] <macd> nevron, well, it looks to me like the site you were using is flawed or something in its calculations.
[01:57] <ReD2121> anyone know how i can get my resolution back to 1680 x 1050 using an ATI card
[01:58] <Skyracer> Ok, I am new to Linux, and was thinking about dual booting with XP.
[01:58] <nevron> macd i think you may be right anyway so you tell me that theres no way to set rwin values under ubuntu
[01:58] <macd> nevron, oh no, you can, but you have to set every TCP connection property, and there is no way for you todo it better than the kernel can
[01:58] <datharn> i have a ubuntu studio CD...how do i get it to load on boot-up?
[01:58] <Skyracer> Now, what is the best way to set up the partitions?
[01:58] <kyja> what ever happened to that applet that took screenshots?
[01:59] <dxdt> ReD2121: probably you'll need to install fglrx drivers if the normal drivers don't work.  Then edit xorg.conf to do it
[01:59] <vocx> ReD2121, I already told you to read the ATI guides. But you haven't made a better question, you just repeat, but don't even say what model you have.
[01:59] <nevron> i see macd can you tell me about snr margins and other stuff maybe the problem is about my isp?
[01:59] <dxdt> kyja: ?  What do you mean?  I just press printscreen and I get a screenshot?
[01:59] <macd> nevron, you should contact your ISP about that kind of information
[01:59] <Skyracer> And also, can I just mount the image to install, instead of creating the disk?
[01:59] <ReD2121> its a Dell 1505 with the ATI Radeon x1300 mobility
[02:00] <kyja> dxdt, well there was an applet you could put in your menu... it took a screen shot and saved it to a folder of your choice. I like having it send to my website folder. so click and send a link that easy
[02:01] <gogeta> skyracer and how would you boot it
[02:01] <gogeta> LOL
[02:01] <Skyracer> Well, I have XP installed
[02:01] <nevron> ok just because i am curious can you tell me your attenuations for ds and us
[02:01] <nevron> if you wont i ll understand that
[02:01] <gogeta> linux does not installer under xp
[02:01] <Nugget_> Hi
[02:01] <kyja> I guess prtscreen does the same thing sort of. cept it asks every time
[02:01] <gogeta> you need to boot into it
[02:01] <Skyracer> Eh ok
[02:02] <gogeta> well acully there is a way
[02:02] <gogeta> but you would lose performance
[02:02] <Skyracer> Alright, I'll burn the disk.
[02:02] <Nugget_> I cant seem to connect to my wireless network from my new laptop I just installed ubuntu on (the network is up, I know for a fact) ... it just keeps trying to connect in the icon at the bottom then times out... is there a log I can read from the attempt?
[02:02] <Skyracer> Thought it was possible to do it that way.
[02:02] <Skyracer> No big deal though
[02:02] <Braxt> I just added a 2nd hdd to my feisty box , but I can't add or remove files.
[02:02] <Scunizi> I'm creating a seperate home partition in preperation for installing Gutsy (now Dapper).  In moving my data across I noticed that there is a hidden Nautilus directory in /home.  If Nautilus is an upgraded version in Gutsy, what will happen?
[02:02] <gogeta> the unoffical wubi installer installerunder vfat
[02:03] <Braxt> how do I change to the owner
[02:03] <macd> nevron, I cant even get to that information in my dsl bridge
[02:03] <macbook> hi good nigth
[02:03] <Nugget_> I cant seem to connect to my wireless network from my new laptop I just installed ubuntu on (the network is up, I know for a fact) ... it just keeps trying to connect in the icon at the bottom then times out... is there a log I can read from the attempt?
[02:03] <macbook> I have a question
[02:03] <macbook>  i hnoob
[02:03] <emeriste> When I first installed Ubuntu it was from a disk that came with the book I bought. I didn't know at the time that there was a 64 bit version of Ubuntu since I have a 64 bit computer. So now my Ubuntu is not as powerful as my computer. What will be the easiest way to switch to the more powerful Ubuntu without losing everything I've done?
[02:03] <nevron> macd i am sorry to bother you but would you be kind enough to look at my settings if i paste binned it or so
[02:04] <macbook> sorry I noob
[02:04] <macd> nevron, thats fine
[02:04] <gogeta> emeriste i think its aruldy 64bit
[02:04] <nevron> ok i must find a place to paste
[02:04] <Scunizi> emeriste, what were you running before?  a version of windows? which one. probably not 64 bit.
[02:04] <emeriste> I was running Windows XP.
[02:04] <Mahr> *Sigh* Latest updates for my Gutsy T5 just ruined everything! No more Compiz =(
[02:04] <jrib> emeriste: 32bit is better for desktop
[02:05] <emeriste> Oh yeah? Why's that?
[02:05] <macbook>  i have a problem whit my sound in my laptop gateway MT3422
[02:05] <emeriste> I have an Athlon 3500+
[02:05] <Nugget_> what should I use to view windows shares on the network?
[02:05] <Mahr> Because I can't install the Restricted driver modules anymore
[02:05] <nevron> macd here is the link http://pastebin.com/m683c70b8
[02:05] <gogeta> humm
[02:05] <Mahr> So I can't install any nvidia drivers or anything.
[02:05] <gogeta> if you made a home partation you will eb fine
[02:05] <gogeta> sence anything in there would not be lost
[02:05] <Mahr> And ofc I didn't lol
[02:05] <gogeta> be
[02:05] <fyrestrtr> Nugget_: Browse Network
[02:06] <emeriste> So youre saying that the best thing to do is not get the 64 bit Ubuntu?
[02:06] <vocx> emeriste, if you want to inform yourself about 64-bit read the 64-bit subforum in ubuntuforums.org       It isn't really more "powerful", why do you think that?
[02:06] <emeriste> Doesn't that hurt me if I want to have the best software?
[02:06] <Mahr> I do have a second harddrive though so I might aswell just move some data and then reinstall.
[02:06] <gogeta> not relly
[02:06] <Scunizi> emeriste, you can run 64 bit Ubuntu and do just fine.  You will have some extra headaches getting some software to work.  Most comes in 32bit
[02:06] <jrib> emeriste: because proprietary software like flash and java plugin are only 32bit
[02:06] <stefgl> Nugget_:  nautilus has an internal smb client. -> places -> connect to server
[02:06] <pwnt-> I just got my ubuntu upgraded to gutsy. whats the first thing i have to do for source.list? I think its getting old packages.
[02:06] <DragoraN> how to set notBefore field in openssl.cnf
[02:06] <macd> nevron, I dont know how far you are from your central office or local dslam, but those values dont look too bad really
[02:07] <emeriste> If you get a 64 bit Ubuntu then you can't use flash or java plugin?
[02:07] <Nugget_> fyrestrtr, there is no connect to server option
[02:07] <gogeta> you can but it needs extra layers and libs
[02:07] <macd> nevron, Id say they fall within the acceptable margins for signal loss at even the most extreme distances
[02:07] <gogeta> aka slower
[02:07] <vocx> !flash64 | emeriste
[02:07] <ubotu> emeriste: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:07] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> hey, emeriste, I've recently downed my 64-bit ubuntu to the 32-bit because of a BUNCH of incomability issues with software
[02:07] <Nugget_> go -> network
[02:07] <jrib> emeriste: more headaches
[02:07] <emeriste> hm. I see.
[02:07] <macbook> hi
[02:07] <IndyGunFreak> ikonia: shouldn't swap be a logical partition?
[02:07] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> I would recommend only 32-bit of Ubuntu until more and more people adapt to the new idea of 64-bit computing...
[02:07] <pwnt-> do i need to change the repositories of my apt-get & synaptic after finishing updating from Feisty to gutsy?
[02:07] <nevron> macd why do i have such slow dl speeds than can you think of anything we know it s not about ubuntu already right?
[02:08] <emeriste> For some applications I thought it could make a big difference. Like what if I run Mathematica or something?
[02:08] <Soskel> hi
[02:08] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> It's not that difficult to partition a new 64-bit system anyways, these days, what with HDD being so damn cheap :)
[02:08] <Soskel> how can I install java runtime via terminal?
[02:08] <gogeta> well yes 64 bit apps are going to run better but thers just not enough of them
[02:08] <gogeta> to worry abought it
[02:08] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> no, there is no real difference, except with security and if you are running extremely intense apps
[02:08] <jrib> !java > Soskel (read the private message from ubotu)
[02:08] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> the problem with it is mainly support
[02:08] <ReD2121> whats the "run" command
[02:08] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> not many people are jumping on the 64-bit bandwagon JUST yet
[02:08] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> it takes time...
[02:09] <emeriste> Are you suggesting maybe dual booting my regular Ubuntu and a 64 bit Ubuntu separately for special apps?
[02:09] <telliott> Anyone familiar with wubi that can help me out?
[02:09] <DrakeJustice_> !java
[02:09] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[02:09] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> the run command allows you to run things...ALT+F2
[02:09] <antler> why would you downgrade to 32bit? just downgrade the software
[02:09] <macd> nevron, you said your download was 330 on speedtest.net ? that would fall in line with 4mb adsl
[02:09] <stefgl> !wubi
[02:09] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[02:09] <pwnt-> guys do i do "sudo apt-get upgrade" or "sudo apt-get update" Which one comes first? please.
[02:09] <HuxFluxTux> Can anyone tell me if its possible listening to NHL radio with firefox? .. link: http://www.nhl.com/scores/index.html  I have all plug-ins installed
[02:09] <pwnt-> i just got gutsy
[02:09] <rem> i've got a Sun machines arriving soon
[02:09] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> For instance, say you are wanting to run FIreFox, you would hit ALT+F2 then type in FIREFOX, [ENTER]
[02:09] <Braxt> "/media/disk/srv" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder. this is the error that pops up when I try to clean my second hdd .. how can I fix this?
[02:09] <vocx> emeriste, what applications? dual booting? what?
[02:09] <rem> its a 64-bit UltraSparc III
[02:09] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> That would load firefox for ya
[02:09] <rem> designed for solaris of course
[02:09] <emeriste> dual booting means having more than one OS on your system.
[02:09] <macbook> i find in google but dont have any answer
[02:09] <gogeta> the wubi installeer uses vaft
[02:09] <nevron> macd okay but i never see that speed from any server what might be bottlenecking my connection,
[02:10] <gogeta> no partations
[02:10] <jrib> emeriste: no, but feel free to try both and make your own conclusion
[02:10] <vocx> IndyGunFreak, logical and primary partitions aren't really different.
[02:10] <gogeta> but its a perforance hit
[02:10] <gogeta> like running the os out of a zip file
[02:10] <IndyGunFreak> vocx: yeah, i was just poking around and figured that out.
[02:10] <IndyGunFreak> tbhanks..
[02:10] <telliott> So no one in chat will talk about wubi.
[02:10] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> ReD2121 : I answered your question to the best of my knowledge, I believe, hope you were able to see it and understand ;)
[02:10] <Scunizi> emeriste, do you do any intensive compilations? video editing etc..? then 64bit would be very usefull.
[02:10] <macd> nevron, sounds like its the other end, or network congestion, if the speed tests properly, you just eliminated your connection, your dsl modem, your router (if you have one) and your PC.
[02:10] <emeriste> When I installed Ubuntu I originally had Windows on here so the disk partitioned my hard drive to make room for Ubuntu. Now I don't want Windows anymore. Is there a way to let Ubuntu take over the whole system and give it that space?
[02:11] <emeriste> No I don't. The most cpu intensive thing I anticipate doing is running mathematica/maple.
[02:11] <nevron> ok what is a network congestion :)
[02:11] <nevron> ok i got what you are saying
[02:11] <hobean> how do i use command line ftp to transfer directories and their subdirs?
[02:11] <nevron> anyway maybe i should contact my isp thanks very much i appreciate it
[02:12] <nevron> macd you are my hero :)
[02:12] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> haha, emeriste, unfortunately, I cannot answer your question...apologies, but I'm also a fair newbie ;)
[02:12] <hgjjjf> what is a good linux disk wiping app for the hd?
[02:12] <emeriste> no worries. :)
[02:12] <arnath> goddamit, grub keeps giving me the error 22: no such partition :@
[02:12] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> hgjjjf : fdisk, I believe...
[02:12] <macd> nevron, it couldnt hurt to contact them, thats for sure.
[02:12] <arnath> (i jus tinstalled xp and went in wiv live cd to fix grub)
[02:12] <nevron> in my country it surely will :(
[02:12] <macd> hgjjjf, you can also write all zeros using the 'dd' command.
[02:13] <emeriste> Do any of you know how I can let Ubuntu 'take over' the windows side of my hard drive and give all of my computer's resources over to Ubuntu?
[02:13] <Scunizi> emeriste, you can recover that space.. but there are steps. move /home to its own partition, delete the other partitions and reinstall the system.  Root needs max 12 gig, swap 2gig the rest /home
[02:13] <dorothygale> somehow i hosed my sound when I was configuring my services
[02:13] <vocx> emeriste, mathematica and maple have Linux versions? I didn't know. But seriously think this, which applications would benefit from using the 64 bit version?
[02:13] <emeriste> Hm this seems very difficult.
[02:13] <hgjjjf> macd,  i got data i need to wipe off and show no trace what so ever
[02:13] <dorothygale> can anyone help me get back up?
[02:13] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> And FYI, as I've come to find out, if you get Error 17 on GRUB, it's probably because your windows partition is attempting to inject itself over Ubuntu (main thing you can do, unplug the SATA/EIDE cable)
[02:13] <emeriste> Yes they both have Linux versions.
[02:14] <stefgl> !backup | dorothygale
[02:14] <ubotu> dorothygale: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[02:14] <macd> hgjjjf, well to trained data forensics people there is no such thing as unrecoverable short of physically damaging the platters, but using dd to write all zeros is pretty safe for the rest of us.
[02:14] <emeriste> I don't know, however if they have 64 bit linux versions.
[02:14] <vocx> emeriste, just erase the windows FAT32 or NTFS partition and recreate a new partition in it with EXT3, and mount it in your filesystem by adding the entry in /etc/fstab
[02:14] <dorothygale> um no
[02:14] <dorothygale> can anyone help me get my sound working agin
[02:14] <vinboy> is there a netstat gui or anything similar?
[02:15] <stefgl> !sound | dorothygale
[02:15] <ubotu> dorothygale: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:15] <Scunizi> emeriste, here's a link I'm using for moving home. Keep in mind when they say -null and -sparce they mean --null and --sparce
[02:15] <emeriste> It sounds like what I really have to do is just back up all of my data and then reinstall the latest ubuntu after formatting my hard drive.
[02:15] <dorothygale> alsa service is started
[02:16] <stefgl> dorothygale: What does lspci | grep audio turn up ?
[02:16] <dorothygale> so can anyone helpme or am I just going to get bot links?
[02:16] <nevron> is there a tool like net limiter for ubuntu where i can watch my network traffic?
[02:16] <Scunizi> emeriste, download and burn the iso for gparted live or system rescue cd.  They can be invaluable in changing your partitions.
[02:16] <hobean> how do i use command line ftp to transfer a directory including all of its subdirs and files?
[02:16] <emeriste> I don't feel up to messing around with partitions.
[02:16] <susan> Could one of you guide me to the best computer components, as I am in need for a system upgrade. Thank you.
[02:16] <crimsun> nevron: darkstat?
[02:17] <emeriste> How about this approach: I'll back up all of my data. Then I will just reinstall Ubuntu but tell it to take over the whole cpu rather than make any partitions?
[02:17] <jcsackett> dorothygale: i just dropped in, what's your problem? not that i can solve it mind, but if i can i'm happy too.
[02:17] <nevron> sudo apt-get install darkstat?
[02:17] <dorothygale> stefgl00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller]  (rev 02)
[02:17] <hgjjjf> macd,  so there is no way to wipe it clear from the best of the best?
[02:17] <vocx> emeriste, not hard messing with partitions. Do you use GRUB, does it work okay? Then you won't have any problems booting and that's it.
[02:17] <macd> emeriste, wel there is only 3 ways todo what you want, 1.backup and resize, 2.dont back and resize, 3.format and reinstall
[02:17] <emeriste> I use Grub.
[02:17] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> hey nevron, try going to your terminal and typing: apt-cache search netstat
[02:17] <dorothygale> it was working before, I changed some services around and now it is not working
[02:18] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> that will give you a list of a few GUI-driven modules you can get for netstats
[02:18] <Scunizi> emeriste, you can. but during the reinstall it's still a good idea to put /home in it's own partition just for these occations AND for upgrading every 6 months to the latest ubuntu version if you plan to.
[02:18] <macd> hgjjjf, short of using thermite, absolutely not
[02:18] <RoC_MasterMind__> susan, newegg.com
[02:18] <jpt9> hey.
[02:18] <emeriste> macd: Format and reinstall seems the easiest to me.. Although I don't look forward to putting back all my software and setting it all up again.
[02:18] <dorothygale> I tried to change it back to the way it was before but that did not help
[02:18] <Scunizi> susan, tigerdirect
[02:18] <jpt9> if using kill -9 won't kill something, are there any alternatives?
[02:18] <macd> emeriste, then just use the livecd to resize the partition.
[02:18] <macd> jpt9, did you sudu kill -9 ?
[02:18] <jcsackett> anyone know if there's a compelling reason to keep evolution around if you don't use it's features? does any part of ubuntu require it?
[02:19] <nevron> cApN_rAiNy_WiSh thank you but is there an application where i can see things with a gui
[02:19] <jpt9> macd: yeah.
[02:19] <emeriste> will resizing the partition kill windows and let Ubuntu take over all of my computer?
[02:19] <macd> emeriste, its literally a 5 click operation
[02:19] <jpt9> i'm trying to kill synaptic; the GUI froze and I force quit it; however, synaptic is still running.
[02:19] <RoC_MasterMind__> jpt9, if you did sudo kill -9, then it's either dead or a zombie, either way it's gone.
[02:19] <macd> emeriste, you delete the windows partition, then expand your linux one into the free space, you can do it all using the livecd, its really quite easy.
[02:19] <Scunizi> emeriste, yes.. not just resizing but deleting then recreating
[02:19] <jpt9> it doesn't work, though.
[02:19] <emeriste> Okay I'll try using the Live CD then.
[02:19] <jpt9> i'm running from the LiveCD, in case that matters.
[02:20] <dorothygale> gah
[02:20] <macd> jpt9, what does 'ps aux | grep yourprocname" say for the PIDs status?
[02:20] <emeriste> So you run Ubuntu from the Live CD and do these things, and then when you boot into your local Ubuntu all the changes are still in effect?
[02:20] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron : stand by
[02:20] <stefgl> dorothygale: it might just be muted. checked alsamixer ?
[02:20] <macd> emeriste, yes
[02:20] <emeriste> Okay that sounds promising.
[02:20] <jpt9> where's the status listed?
[02:20] <jpt9> and doesn't ps normally display a header?
[02:20] <KevlarSoul> I installed Ubuntu on a partition it made, everything looked great, when I rebooted there was no dual boot screen, went straight into winblows?
[02:20] <dorothygale> stefgl I did it is all the way up
[02:21] <macd> david    17012  0.2  2.4<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   Oct02  10:59 xchat
[02:21] <dorothygale> I did this with the alsamixer command
[02:21] <macd> that status is Sl
[02:21] <jpt9> in that case, it's Ds
[02:21] <Some_Person> KevlarSoul: so you installed, rebooted, and windows came up?
[02:21] <KevlarSoul> Some_Person yes, like I did nothing.
[02:21] <veynom> !oss
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <veynom> !alsa
[02:21] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:21] <Some_Person> KevlarSoul: ok, i can help you
[02:22] <ReD2121> how do i change directories in a terminal
[02:22] <ReD2121> example would be great
[02:22] <stefgl> dorothygale: what happens after cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ?
[02:22] <KevlarSoul> Some_Person quit as they said they would help. haha
[02:22] <Ltar> I can't boot to CD anymore.. I've never had a problem before, but I found myself unable to (no bootable device detected) when I tried to boot into a live CD to format my new HDD.
[02:22] <hgjjjf> macd,  u join me in room ###wwed please
[02:22] <stefgl> dorothygale: should give white noise
[02:22] <macd> jpt9, that means its a dead process
[02:22] <pgold> exit
[02:22] <[Meta] > I don't like the LiveCD installer. =(
[02:22] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron: Hold ALT+F2 on your keyboard to initiate the run command. Type this: gnome-nettool   HIT ENTER. When the nettool pops up, click on the 'Netstat' tab, should be the 3rd from the left...
[02:22] <macd> jpt9, sooner or later it will go away
[02:23] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> hope that helps you
[02:23] <dorothygale> stefgl command hangs
[02:23] <jpt9> it's been at least a few minutes.
[02:23] <dorothygale> so a whole lotta nothin
[02:23] <emeriste> What is the ubuntu channel for polish?
[02:23] <macd> !pl
[02:23] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[02:23] <emeriste> okay thanks.
[02:23] <jpt9> and when i try to do anything else with synaptic, it complains that there's still a copy running, and that it's attempting to bring it to the foreground
[02:23] <jpt9> which doesn't work, since the Synaptic GUI's long dead.
[02:24] <macbook> tanks ubotu
[02:24] <stefgl> dorothygale: so ctrl-c out of that.  it did not hang, it worked so far... so the digital domain should be fine, there is something muted
[02:24] <macd> jpt9, ohhhh, delete the lockfile for dpkg in that case
[02:24] <jpt9> where is it?
[02:24] <veynom> can anyone recommend a sound card that is fully supported under Ubuntu?
[02:24] <vocx> !thanks | macbook
[02:24] <ubotu> macbook: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:25] <dorothygale> stefgl still no sound though
[02:25] <fyrestrtr> veynom: anything by creative labs
[02:25] <christian2> hello
[02:25] <crimsun> veynom: most older AC'97-based ones
[02:25] <christian2> is there anybody
[02:25] <christian2> ??
[02:25] <dorothygale> veynom !alsa
[02:25] <nevron> i just installed darkstat and have an error saying Error: pcap_lookupdev(): no suitable device found
[02:25] <christian2> i have a problem
[02:25] <stefgl> dorothygale: so recheck your mixer settings...
[02:25] <macbook> ok
[02:25] <veynom> arg, i have a an audigy gamer
[02:25] <veynom> but i cant get it to work right with WoW under wine
[02:25] <christian2> i have to access to /media/hdd1 through "gksu nautilus"
[02:25] <macd> jpt9, /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:25] <dorothygale> stefgl it's all the way up on everything
[02:26] <veynom> it says   "fixme:dsound:DSOUND_MixOne problem with underrun detection"
[02:26] <stefgl> dorothygale: but somwhere there's a mute switch pressed
[02:26] <fyrestrtr> veynom: check in #winehq
[02:26] <dorothygale> t
[02:26] <christian2> could anybody help me
[02:26] <christian2> ?
[02:26] <rocky_>  hi Im new to ubuntu
[02:26] <ReD2121> trying to install the ati drivers that i saved the file:///home/red/Desktop/ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run on my desktop
[02:27] <veynom> hi new to ubuntu
[02:27] <rocky_> and I need some help
[02:27] <vocx> !ask | christian2
[02:27] <fOrgivme`> hi rocky_
[02:27] <ubotu> christian2: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:27] <dorothygale> stefgl I think the dev is hosed
[02:27] <ReD2121> need help
[02:27] <[Meta] > Welcome to Ubuntu, rocky_
[02:27] <dorothygale> I want to take it down and bring it back up again
[02:27] <jpt9> still doesn't work.
[02:27] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron: see if you can specify the device on the command line. it might be looking for a different device name
[02:27] <rocky_> thank every one
[02:27] <stefgl> dorothygale: killall esd && esd , does that give you a test sound ?
[02:27] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> hey, ubuntu rocks...lol
[02:27] <rocky_> I was a prombel with beryl
[02:27] <[Meta] > What do you need help with, rocky_?
[02:27] <fOrgivme`> rocky_,  whats the problem?
[02:28] <rocky_> well last nite I got my beryl working
[02:28] <vocx> !effects | rocky_
[02:28] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> i think the bots are pretty smart...
[02:28] <nevron> ok i have been able to run darkstat
[02:28] <nevron> :P
[02:28] <dorothygale>  stefgl esd: no process killed
[02:28] <christian2> i cannot access to ntfs (/media/hdd1) through nautilus instead of i have to do it through "gksu nautilus" or sudo su
[02:28] <ubotu> rocky_: For help or discussion on Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects
[02:28] <rocky_> and now its not working at all what I did want to system and the desktop effects but it cant endole it
[02:28] <stefgl> dorothygale: so just 'esd'
[02:29] <christian2> i have all permisions
[02:29] <nevron> but it works in a very strange way isnt there a standalone program for ubuntu where i can watch what is going on in my network
[02:29] <dorothygale> stefgl The program 'esd' can be found in the following packages:
[02:29] <dorothygale>  * pulseaudio-esound-compat
[02:29] <dorothygale>  * esound
[02:29] <dorothygale> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[02:29] <dorothygale> bash: esd: command not found
[02:29] <[Meta] > That's what I get for trying Kubuntu. =( It died within the first hour.
[02:29] <stefgl> dorothygale: you are on ubuntu, not (k/x)ubuntu, right?
[02:30] <llib> Could someone please walk me through installing things? *ubuntu
[02:30] <dorothygale> xbuntu
[02:30] <susan> what CPU is wise to purchase right now?.. or should I be waiting because the AM2 socket (motherboard) will become invalid like the 939? Thanks
[02:30] <christian2> hiiiiiiiiiii
[02:30] <dorothygale> xubuntu stefgl
[02:30] <[Meta] > llib: Applications -> Install new software. =p
[02:30] <macd> nevron, there is, its called ntop.
[02:30] <llib> no its not there...
[02:30] <vocx> !paste | dorothygale
[02:30] <ubotu> dorothygale: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:30] <crimsun> FWIW, darkstat is recommended over ntop.
[02:30] <[Meta] > "Add/Remove.."
[02:30] <rocky_> What can I do to get my beryl working again
[02:30] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron: do this, go to your terminal, type in: sudo apt-get install netherape
[02:31] <Chris__> Here is my question..i just installed windows on 50 gb of my 500 gb hard drive...now i am in the ubuntu install cd... i made a / partition for 20 gb for ubuntu, ....but now what is a good amount of space for swap space? also... i want all of the leftover space on the hd to be used for storage (in windows and ubuntu)....so what do i do???
[02:31] <RoC_MasterMind__> susan, everything you buy will become obsolete.
[02:31] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> woops
[02:31] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron: you're going to type: sudo apt-get install etherape
[02:31] <stefgl> dorothygale: so there is no default sound daemon. But never mind. Did you go through the troubleshooting howto?
[02:31] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> not netherape ;) sorry...
[02:31] <nevron> ok i am doing it
[02:31] <[Meta] > llib: In Applications menu, there is something that says "Add/Remove..." and you click on that.
[02:31] <nevron> :)
[02:31] <susan> RoC_MasterMind__:  but i bought the 939 when it came out and it quickly changed to 940, then to am2!
[02:32] <llib> No I'm beyond that
[02:32] <llib> I have a rpm file
[02:32] <dorothygale> stefgl it's not like sound never worked before. it WAS working, I changed some services around and now no sound
[02:32] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron : once that is done, your best bet is just to click 'Applications->Internet->EtherApe As Root'
[02:32] <llib> and a tar.gz file
[02:32] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> Make sure that if you're not logged in as root already (and you SHOULD NOT BE) you run that...As Root, not just EtherApe
[02:32] <Chris__> please someone pm me..
[02:32] <stefgl> dorothygale: so follow the troubleshooting howto...
[02:32] <overclucker> susasn, eventually each socket will becom invalid, just choose a common one
[02:32] <stefgl> !sound | dorothygale
[02:32] <ubotu> dorothygale: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:32] <[Meta] > llib: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/23/installing-using-an-rpm-file/
[02:32] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron : Does this help? ;)
[02:33] <vocx> susan, CPU sockets are not really related to Ubuntu, maybe you can get opinions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:33] <nevron> cApN_rAiNy_WiSh this is awesome thank you
[02:33] <nevron> thanks a lot
[02:33] <dorothygale> ubotu you're the most annoying bot ever
[02:33] <Chris__> Here is my question..i just installed windows on 50 gb of my 500 gb hard drive...now i am in the ubuntu install cd... i made a / partition for 20 gb for ubuntu, ....but now what is a good amount of space for swap space and do i have to put anything in that partition for the "mount" section? also... i want all of the leftover space on the hd to be used for storage (in windows and ubuntu)....so what do i do???
[02:33] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> nevron : Hey, no problem! :) hope it all goes well for ya ;)
[02:33] <jrib> llib: what are you installing?
[02:33] <jrib> !software > llib (read the private message from ubotu)
[02:33] <prestosd> Hey, is there any way I can upgrade to 7.10 through an ISO? (without burning)
[02:34] <Chris__> anyone??
[02:34] <jrib> !gutsy > prestosd (read the private message from ubotu)
[02:34] <vocx> !patience | Chris__
[02:34] <ubotu> Chris__: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly.  NOW....the left over space (free space), will i be able to use that in ubuntu and windows to store fileds???
[02:35] <Chris__> or do i have to make a fat32 partition for that?/
[02:35] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> I would assume that formatting the space as FAT32 will allow both to view the space, assuming that's your goal. As far as I know, ubuntu can recognize an NTFS and FAT32 partition...but windows will not recognize the ext3...so your best bet, NTFS or FAT32
[02:35] <overclucker> in /etc/fstab you will need to specify the swP PARTITION
[02:36] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> And when I say space, I mean the empty space
[02:36] <rocky_> how do i get Try #beryl or #ubuntu-effects
[02:36] <[Meta] > How do I change my family's opinion of Linux? xD
[02:36] <mir100> anyone know how i can monitor port (80, or any other ones) through the terminal using snort or something without logging
[02:36] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> the other 2 partitions you can leave be (NTFS and ext3)
[02:36] <[Meta] > "/join #beryl"
[02:36] <Chris__> ok.... so all the leftover space, besides the swap space... i make into fat32?
[02:36] <Chris__> thanks
[02:36] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Metal]  Slap them around using a penguin...over and over again
[02:36] <[Meta] > Without quotation marks, rocky_
[02:36] <overclucker> Chris__: WELL, NTFS, I GUESS, WITH NTFS-3G TO ALLOW WRITE IN LINUX
[02:36] <[Meta] > But I might hurt Tux! ;_;
[02:36] <Chris__> hmm
[02:36] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> Chris___ : Yea, that's the only system I believe both understand...
[02:36] <vocx> Chris__, you can use FAT32. The next Ubuntu supposedly comes with good NTFS support so you may use that. Also you can use EXT3 and write from Windows with the aid of a plugin.
[02:36] <rocky_> ok i try it
[02:36] <Chris__> wait
[02:37] <Chris__> ok
[02:37] <overclucker> sorry bout hte caps
[02:37] <Chris__> so i will use fat32 for now
[02:37] <Chris__> thakns
[02:37] <Chris__> :D
[02:37] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> I mean, I think NTFS is understood under the new Kernel (don't quote me though)
[02:37] <[Meta] > In this window, mind rocky_
[02:37] <Chris__> fat32 for now? thakns
[02:37] <Chris__> thanks guys
[02:37] <fyrestrtr> mir100: monitor for what?
[02:37] <Chris__> for the swap space do i have to write anything for Mount:
[02:37] <Chris__> ?
[02:37] <Chris__> Mount Point:
[02:37] <vocx> Chris__, FAT32 does not allow files bigger than 4 GB. Take that into consideration.
[02:37] <mir100> fyrestrtr, just any activity
[02:37] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Metal]  - Don't use tux, just any ol' penguin you've got lyin around, boyo
[02:37] <vocx> !enter | Chris__
[02:37] <ubotu> Chris__: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[02:37] <Chris__> or do i just change it to swap in the listbox
[02:37] <vocx> !enter > Chris__
[02:37] <g0dd3ss> hai what's kjournald for
[02:38] <rocky_> so should I open beryl again see if it work start or
[02:38] <fyrestrtr> mir100: start a firewall, and monitor its logs.
[02:38] <[Meta] > Uh oh. xD I can't recall how to put a link to Home folder on the desktop. I haven't used Ubuntu in a while. =( To my regret.
[02:38] <overclucker> Chris__: well, no you don't have to, but you could if you want
[02:38] <Chris__> sorry, i don't have to what?
[02:38] <mir100> fyrestrtr ok thanks
[02:38] <Chris__> how do i make a swap partition i mean
[02:38] <overclucker> Chris__: if ou have a decent amount of ram, then don't bother
[02:38] <Chris__> do i just  pick "sqap" from use as:
[02:38] <Chris__> swap
[02:39] <overclucker> Chris__: cfdisk
[02:39] <Chris__> i have 2 gigs of ram..so i shouldn't make swap space?
[02:39] <rocky_> its not working with my beryl
[02:39] <vocx> Chris__, yes select swap in the listbox.  Keep your responses in one line please.
[02:39] <Chris__> ok ok ok hold on.. i'm getting confused... i have 2 gigs of ram...so i shouold or shouldn't make swap space
[02:39] <fyrestrtr> Chris__: you should have a swap partition.
[02:39] <Chris__> ok
[02:39] <Chris__> i will
[02:39] <Chris__> thakns
[02:39] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Metal]  - Want the quickest way possible? Click on ubuntu's "Places" menu, then simply click-drag-drop the 'Home Folder'  icon to your desktop
[02:39] <h1st0> Chris__: no you should prolly have a 3 gig swap
[02:39] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[02:39] <[Meta] > Thanks.
[02:39] <nomaS> how can open the ssh port to somebody else connecto to my pc ?
[02:39] <overclucker> and chose type 83 i believe .. .
[02:39] <Chris__> 3 gigs? ok... cool what does swap space even do?
[02:39] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : N/P
[02:40] <vocx> !swap | Chris__
[02:40] <ubotu> Chris__: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[02:40] <[Meta] > I'm trying to make it as user friendly as possible to people who've always used Windows, cApN_rAiNy_WiSh. =p
[02:40] <jrib> !ssh > nomaS (read the private message from ubotu)
[02:40] <overclucker> Chris__: and mkswap /dev/xxx
[02:40] <IndyGunFreak> the installer will whine and cry if you don't have a swap... but with that pC you probably don't actually need one, but id' just put one in to shut it up.
[02:40] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : Okay, then here's what you do...download a windows emulator, load it into linux, run windows, crap, voila!
[02:40] <Chris__> and mkswap /dev/xxx  ......huh???
[02:40] <Chris__> what does that mean??
[02:40] <vocx> overclucker, don't confuse him, he is a new user, he doesn't know what that means, he is just installing.
[02:41] <h1st0> IndyGunFreak: its still necessary.  Mine uses swap and I have 2 gigs of ram.
[02:41] <rocky_> how can I start beryl up
[02:41] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> Chris__:  Your reaction to the 'dribble' is priceless...like a MasterCard commercial...
[02:41] <overclucker> vocx: ohh!, he's installing, now
[02:41] <[Meta] > cApN_rAiNy_WiSh: Problem is, Windows crashed and burned and parents got angry at me coz I'm the nerd of the family. =p
[02:41] <h1st0> IndyGunFreak: it will move programs that you aren't using atm to the swap
[02:41] <fyrestrtr> rocky_: see #ubuntu-effects
[02:41] <overclucker> Chris__: disregard what i said
[02:41] <Chris__> Lastly, I am now making a fat32 out of the rest of the space... which says  "397675" ...so for this can i create a partition for that exact space?
[02:41] <vocx> overclucker, gotta read the whole story first.
[02:41] <IndyGunFreak> h1st0: really?..  iw as thinking it was only used on full diskspace, when all ram was used up
[02:41] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : DOesn't that suck? I'm in the same spot you are, however, I no longer reside within the parents' household...yay, free beer for me and anyone else!
[02:41] <rocky_> ok
[02:41] <IndyGunFreak> regardle3ss, i still recommend it always... but thanks for the clarification
[02:42] <Chris__> like i type that number exactly...or should i round it to 397000
[02:42] <stefg> Chris__: here's a drawing http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39719/ . This is how your partitioning should look in the ideal case
[02:42] <h1st0> Chris__: typical rule of thumb is to double your memory for swap partition ex: 4gigs but once you start getting in to that much ram you really don't need a 4gig swap.
[02:42] <h1st0> IndyGunFreak: Nah unused stuff will move there as well.
[02:42] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> haha, I have a lot of RAM LoL
[02:42] <[Meta] > cApN_rAiNy_WiSh: My mum's computer illiterate and my dad who knows a little about computers is in a mental institution. ^_^
[02:42] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, didn't know that
[02:42] <Dr1> has anyone here clustered Linux servers as file servers (SAMBA, AFP, NFS) and are there any limitations or potential application compatibility issues when doing so?
[02:42] <vocx> Chris__, yes you can use the exact space. Why do you ask so many questions? Be patient.
[02:42] <tanner> does anyone know how to kill an active connection to your machine?
[02:42] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> 8GB DDR2 - PC2-4200
[02:43] <Chris__> sorry...rough day with the computer
[02:43] <Chris__> my grub wasn't loading at all and i had to reformat everything
[02:43] <dxdt> tanner: pull the ethernet cord
[02:43] <Chris__> thanks for your help
[02:43] <fyrestrtr> tanner: fwcutter
[02:43] <[Meta] > My first act on Ubuntu: Installing amarok. =p
[02:43] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : Well, at least he passed along something good...as far as being mental, most of the time I think that mental people see things clearer than us in ways...weird...
[02:43] <h1st0> [Meta] : sudo apt-get install amarok
[02:43] <[Meta] > cApN_rAiNy_WiSh: Quite true. However warped they may be.
[02:43] <tanner> fyrestrtr: fwcutter?
[02:44] <[Meta] > Yes, h1st0 I know. I've used Ubuntu before.
[02:44] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> I would never use multiple partitions on hard drives...too damn risky cause if I have windows on a drive, I'm afraid for it's entire life...partitioned sparingly or not
[02:44] <tanner> dxdt: cannot do, offsite machine
[02:44] <Chris__> hold on hold on hold on .... guys... when i try to format that last amount of space (397 675 MB)  it gives me an error...it says ERROR!!! Can't have the end before the start!
[02:44] <luis> hello people anyone know how to install google earth on ubuntu
[02:44] <rocky_> how can I download something like a drive ubuntu is kinda hard to use
[02:44] <fyrestrtr> tanner: its a program that *can* (not guranteed) disconnect an active connection.
[02:44] <[Meta] > Apparently my computer type is not supported by amaroK. o_O
[02:44] <h1st0> luis: just download and run it.
[02:45] <tanner> fyrestrtr: is it in apt?
[02:45] <h1st0> luis: they have a linux version
[02:45] <[Meta] > Oh! Durrrrrr.
[02:45] <luis> ohhh, lol
[02:45] <fyrestrtr> !google earth
[02:45] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[02:45] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : Warped is in the eye of the beholder; however, how many people do you think thought Socrates was crazy, or other free-thinking individuals who were merely out of their minds when it came to philosophical nothingness (but, in all fairness, I may be giving the mental too much credit LOL!)
[02:45] <[Meta] > I'm not even plugged into the router. -.-
[02:45] <dodina> join #ubuntu-it
[02:45] <rocky_> I did and just a file pops up
[02:45] <luis> but I don't know how to run it man
[02:45] <luis> I'm a newb
[02:45] <Chris__>  when i try to format that last amount of space (397 675 MB)  it gives me an error...it says ERROR!!! Can't have the end before the start!
[02:45] <fyrestrtr> tanner: not sure, always compiled it from source.
[02:45] <h1st0> !earth | luis
[02:45] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> lol
[02:45] <D4N`> not sure
[02:45] <[Meta] > cApN_rAiNy_WiSh: Yeah, some of the people in the mental unit are scary.
[02:45] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> It just says Error, that's great
[02:45] <ubotu> luis: Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[02:46] <tanner> fyrestrtr: homepage for it?
[02:46] <h1st0> luis: if you download it there is a readme with instructions or they are on the download page.
[02:46] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : The ones that walk around and yell piss me off...I just wanna knock some smarts into em'...but it's sad to see...so sad...
[02:46] <HellbreakerCCCP> what are u supposed to do when u restart with the live cd in and u go to install and u just get a black screen with numbers at the bottom?
[02:46] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> HellbreakerCCCP : Hope that the problem is just the GRUB
[02:46] <[Meta] > cApN_rAiNy_WiSh: There was one wandering around talking about rum and coke and his drinking days yesterday.
[02:46] <HellbreakerCCCP> ?
[02:47] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> [Meta] : Now that's the kind of scary mental patient I can get along with...
[02:47] <[Meta] > cApN_rAiNy_WiSh: Haha, can I PM you, we're kinda getting off-topic. Only kinda though.
[02:47] <Chris__> ugh..where did everyone go...i just have one more problem :(
[02:47] <pwnt-> i got something in my system tray that says "Unable to get data.." whats that
[02:47] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> lol my bad...I realize this now
[02:48] <Chris__> I am trying to partition the leftover space on my hard drive as as FAT32...but it is telling me "ERROR!!! Can't have the end before the start!
[02:48] <HellbreakerCCCP> so what do i do?
[02:48] <h1st0> Chris__: what are you trying to partition it with?
[02:48] <AFigueiredo> Hi everyone... which cd is the right for the core 2 duo's? amd64 or x86?
[02:48] <Chris__> fat32
[02:48] <Chris__> ubuntu
[02:48] <rocky_> could some one Pm to help me better out
[02:48] <Chris__> i'm on the live cd right now
[02:49] <vocx> AFigueiredo, they both work, but most of us would suggest i386
[02:49] <fyrestrtr> AFigueiredo: x86
[02:49] <Voodoo_John> !medibuntu
[02:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:49] <[Meta] > !amarok
[02:49] <fyrestrtr> the amd64 will not work
[02:49] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[02:49] <[Meta] > !codecs
[02:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:49] <overclucker> Chris__: are you formating it as primary, or logical, and fat32 on on  400gig partition just won't cut it
[02:49] <Gekiretsu> hello. problems with some drivers.....
[02:49] <AFigueiredo> vocx, fyrestrtr, thanks
[02:50] <h1st0> Chris__: what tool are you using to partition it?
[02:50] <Chris__> what do you mean tool?
[02:50] <h1st0> overclucker: sure it will
[02:50] <Chris__> i am using primary
[02:50] <otaimerz> hye
[02:50] <h1st0> Chris__: What program are you using to partition it.
[02:50] <Chris__> the ubuntu installer
[02:50] <Gekiretsu> hello, anyone can help me with some drivers?
[02:50] <vocx> !ask | Gekiretsu
[02:51] <ubotu> Gekiretsu: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:51] <h1st0> Chris__: how many primary partitions do you have on the drive?
[02:51] <Chris__> ewll...50 gb for windows..... then the etx3 is a primary
[02:51] <fyrestrtr> tanner: see here > http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/networktools1.htm
[02:51] <otaimerz> i want to open one website but.. it is open bcoz my ubuntu does not has Java Runtime Enviroment like using in windows
[02:51] <Chris__> and the sqwap is a primary
[02:51] <otaimerz> how i want to open it/?
[02:51] <h1st0> Chris__: the swap shouldn' be.
[02:51] <Chris__> ok, i'll try to fix it
[02:51] <luis> ok, so I got the goggle earth bin file on my desktop, how do I run it?
[02:51] <luis> lol
[02:51] <Gekiretsu> ok, got a new PCI card with USB 2.0 and Firewire connections
[02:51] <overclucker> h1st0: would you use fat32 on a 400gig?
[02:51] <luis> ok, wait, let me look at the google earth page
[02:52] <Gekiretsu> can't find the drivers for the damn thing
[02:52] <h1st0> overclucker: for what he's doing use.
[02:52] <vocx> !java | otaimerz
[02:52] <ubotu> otaimerz: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[02:52] <anandanbu> The updates from ubuntu are very slow in my ubuntu 7.04 system but the other downloads are much quicker, what would be the problem
[02:52] <h1st0> Chris__: make the swap extended.  You can only have 4 primary partitions I believe on a drive.
[02:52] <Gekiretsu> it has electricity, if i connect a USB key it lights up, but doesn't read t
[02:52] <dxdt> overclucker: fat32 on 400GB?  Yikes.  I would probably make it ntfs and then make linux read the ntfs if i had to have it as one big partition
[02:53] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> yea, I think you can go into a terminal, otaimerz, and type: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[02:53] <rocky_> i how a hard time with beryl could some one help me trun it on
[02:53] <vocx> anandanbu, somebody said the servers were down. It happens, just be patient. Wanna help, donate money so they have better servers.
[02:53] <Chris__> ok...but the etx3 i make primary
[02:53] <Chris__> right?
[02:53] <Chris__> and how do i make the swap extended?
[02:53] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> beryl should be easy to turn on, rocky_, assuming you already installed it...
[02:53] <overclucker> dxdt: that's what i thought,
[02:53] <rocky_> I did
[02:53] <h1st0> Chris__: / should be primary yes.
[02:53] <rocky_> but it wont trun on
[02:53] <Gekiretsu> ok, got a new PCI card with USB 2.0 and Firewire connections can't find the drivers for the damn thing
[02:53] <anandanbu> vocx: thanks for the info
[02:53] <Gekiretsu> ok, got a new PCI card with USB 2.0 and Firewire connections can't find the drivers for the damn thing
[02:53] <Ltar> I can't boot to CD anymore.. I've never had a problem before, but I found myself unable to (no bootable device detected) when I tried to boot into a live CD to format my new HDD
[02:54] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> If it's already installed, you can hold ALT on your keyboard, press F2 and that should bring up the 'RUN' console. In there, type: beryl-manager and hit enter
[02:54] <Chris__> ok, now how do I make the swap...extended..or whatnot?
[02:54] <rocky_> i had it working this moring and how its not going on
[02:54] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> If you have beryl installed, it will load up
[02:54] <Gekiretsu> ok, got a new PCI card with USB 2.0 and Firewire connections can't find the drivers for the damn thing
[02:54] <h1st0> Chris__: What I would do is the following have "windows / /swap /home and a share of free space"
[02:54] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> rocky_ Unlike windows, if I am NOT mistaken, Beryl must be ran manually everytime u boot, unless you change your config source to automatically run it each time...upon a profile load...
[02:54] <Chris__> I don't know what you just said
[02:54] <h1st0> Chris__: having a seperate /home is nice if you ever have to reinstall all yoru settings and files stay.
[02:54] <Chris__> ok
[02:55] <Chris__> so, what do I do?
[02:55] <vocx> Gekiretsu, it is possible that drivers don't exist. That is sad, but not Linux's fault, but rather the manufacturers' fault.  Do not repeat the question.
[02:55] <pwnt-> hey
[02:55] <h1st0> Chris__: alright clear the partitions youve made.
[02:55] <vocx> !patience > Gekiretsu
[02:55] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[02:55] <Chris__> all of them except window.s.. of course
[02:55] <h1st0> Chris__: with the exception of your windows drive that you don't want to delete.
[02:55] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> But, I mean, it's as easy as 1 2 3 to load it each time...I prefer the less-dumbed-down linux things because it keeps the system safe and secure...without putting too much emphasis on automation
[02:55] <h1st0> Chris__: yeap
[02:55] <Chris__> yeah
[02:55] <pwnt-> after installing gutsy do i need to re-install the VGA driver again?
[02:55] <rocky_> oh ok but i get a thing saying cant enable desktop effects
[02:55] <h1st0> Chris__: Do you want a seperate /home partittion?
[02:55] <Tech-Mike> anybody help with a "Wnck-Warning ** Unhandled action (nil)" error?
[02:55] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> are you using nvidia?
[02:55] <Chris__> what will  that do for me?
[02:55] <Chris__> should I? is it better?
[02:56] <cubee> Pwnt: what card u have?
[02:56] <rocky_> ya im using the software
[02:56] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> Go to the System menu, then 'Desktop Effects'...when you go in there, you may have to load a propietary driver for nvidia
[02:56] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[02:56] <cApN_rAiNy_WiSh> unless you've already done that...
[02:56] <Chris__> basically, i just want about 20gb for ubuntu....some swap space...and then the leftover to be all storage space for windows and ubuntu
[02:56] <Gekiretsu> vocx, i choose Linux, wasn't imposed on me, i am not blaming it.....just wanted to know if there are drivers and i can't find them 'cos i am not good enoughs earching for them or just 'cos i am anewbie...
[02:56] <h1st0> Chris__: All your files and settings are stored in /home/username  All of  the software is in / so if you reinstall / your /home/username partition will still be there with your settings and files.
[02:56] <fyrestrtr> pwnt-: #ubuntu+1
[02:56] <rocky_> I dont think i have it