[00:29] <JoeMaverickSett> i have a kernel version 2.6.32-24-generic, but i need to apply a patch to  2.6.35-rc, how do i do that?
[00:30] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: huh?
[00:30] <stlsaint> your running .32 but want a patch to .35
[00:31] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, i mean i need to install the .35 then apply the patch
[00:31] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: you want to compile the .35 kernel?
[00:31] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, the case here is my open source graphic driver cannot hibernate and the patch has to be applied to .35
[00:32] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, yup. i think so.
[00:34] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: have you ever compiled anything before?
[00:35] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, eh! nope. :(
[00:35] <stlsaint> alright well i suggest you start here: http://www.kernel.org/
[00:35] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: for the kernel
[00:35] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, alrighty.
[00:36] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: then here for kernel compiling: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56835
[00:38] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: also here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065&highlight=kernel+compilation
[00:39] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, wow! i got alot to learn from. i'll take a look at those. thanks.
[00:39] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: yea those are some good guides
[00:40] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: they are abit way back but good for starters
[00:40] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, alright. thanks for the tips.
[01:24] <newboon2age> today i'm using ircle, an irc client on my iBook G4 (PPC -- which has seen its better days go by unfortunately)
[01:47] <pcw> Can any1 help with permissions problem on boot?
[01:47] <paultag> pcw: dejavu
[01:47] <pcw> paultag: hey again
[01:48] <paultag> pcw: so what's up
[01:48] <pcw> I seem to lose permissions to read and write to /dev on boot randomly
[01:48] <paultag> oh cool :)
[01:49] <pcw> other symtoms include server apps not starting up
[01:49] <pcw> eg. apt-cacher
[01:49] <pcw> ssh seems to work fine though
[01:49] <pcw> rebooting fixed the issues
[01:50] <pcw> Simply the worst kinda bug i.e. repeatable but non consistent
[01:50] <paultag> aye
[01:50] <paultag> sec pcw
[01:52] <paultag> pcw: just a sec
[01:52] <pcw> sure
[01:53] <stlsaint> sup
[01:54] <paultag> ./stlsaint --halp | ./pcw
[01:54] <stlsaint> paultag: aye
[01:55] <stlsaint> pcw: do processes crash before your reboot that causes these permission issues?
[01:56] <pcw> stlsaint: did not see anything weird on dmesg
[01:56] <stlsaint> pcw: is there anything out of the ordinary in dmesh?
[01:57] <pcw> stlsaint: I did a diff with one with problem and one not (both from clean boot)
[01:58] <pcw> stlsaint: did not notice anything out of the blue
[01:58] <pcw> running chmod manually resolved the issue as well
[01:58] <stlsaint> chmod on what?
[01:59] <pcw> chmod on /dev/dsp, ..., /dev/snd/*
[01:59] <pcw> that will bring back whatever devices I have lost
[01:59] <pcw> during the boot process
[01:59] <stlsaint> what is your fstab showing?
[02:00] <pcw> nothing out of the ordinary
[02:00] <stlsaint> does it show all your drives needed?
[02:00] <pcw> standard ext4 and swap mappings
[02:00] <pcw> fstab command you mean?
[02:00] <pcw> or /etc/fstab?
[02:01] <stlsaint> yes...in /etc/fstab
[02:01] <pcw> only the drive mappings
[02:01] <stlsaint> one sec
[02:01] <pcw> I am on ubu btw
[02:03] <stlsaint> pcw: go here and run script and paste the output in pastebin
[02:03] <stlsaint> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[02:04] <pcw> stlsaint:just a sec
[02:09] <JoeMaverickSett> how do i save a patch as a .txt file if a developer has offered one. from which part do i start copy/paste to save?example<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:12] <pcw> stlsaint:i am trying to dup the error
[02:13] <stlsaint> kk
[02:13] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: save a patch?
[02:17] <duanedesign> JoeMaverickSett: start at ---
[02:17] <duanedesign> JoeMaverickSett: so the first line: drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.h    |    3 +-
[02:17] <duanedesign> copy and paste it into Gedit
[02:20] <stlsaint> duanedesign: you use screen?
[02:21] <duanedesign> yes
[02:26] <pcw> stlsaint:http://pastebin.com/9NdUGATD
[02:27] <stlsaint> one sec
[02:28] <pcw> stlsaint: dont think that gives enough info for the bug
[02:30] <stlsaint> pcw: /dev/sda3: PTTYPE="dos"
[02:30] <stlsaint> pcw: ^^ what is that?
[02:30] <pcw> stlsaint:win 7 swap i think
[02:32] <stlsaint> pcw: windows doesnt use swap persay
[02:32] <stlsaint> pcw: windows uses paging files
[02:33] <pcw> stlsaint: which is y i quantified the statement with "i think" :)
[02:33] <stlsaint> it has a random bootloader on it
[02:34] <pcw> yes i restored the original bootloader so virtualbox could work
[02:34] <pcw> by original i mean win 7 original
[02:34] <stlsaint> pcw: and you still have grub installed?
[02:35] <stlsaint> how is that?!
[02:35] <pcw> yes
[02:35] <stlsaint> better yet WHY is that
[02:35] <stlsaint> i run vbox with grub as bootloader
[02:35] <pcw> for virtualbox to work
[02:35] <pcw> yes me too
[02:35] <stlsaint> i think that is a problem in its own
[02:35] <pcw> grub is default bootloader
[02:35] <pcw> no it is not
[02:36] <pcw> tat bootloader is and will never be used
[02:36] <pcw> until i load the win7 with virtualbox
[02:36] <stlsaint> aye, your running vbox on windows
[02:38] <pcw> my vbox host is linux guest is win7
[02:38] <pcw> unfortunately i had installed win7 b4 i installed vbox
[02:39] <pcw> so i had to reroute the vbox to the installed win7
[02:39] <pcw> and to get it to work will require restoring the win7 bootloader
[02:39] <pcw> cant seem to find the instructions now
[02:40] <stlsaint> hrm, one sec
[02:49] <stlsaint> pcw: well im not seeing anything off the wall in the results
[02:49] <stlsaint> pcw: tbh im not sure whats causing the permissions issue
[02:50] <JoeMaverickSett> duanedesign, thanks.
[02:51] <pcw> stlsaint:i do not think that the script generates the correct info required
[02:51] <stlsaint> pcw: well in general i was looking for anthing particular in your partitions on where the are being booted (blikd) and fstab
[02:52] <stlsaint> pcw: but it does show what permissions those partitions have
[02:52] <pcw> stlsaint: you have been looking in the wrong places
[02:52] <pcw> i will reiterate my problem if you have time
[02:53] <stlsaint> pcw: alright
[02:54] <pcw> 1: random loss of permissions to read and write devices including /dev/snd/*, /dev/dvb/*, /dev/dsp
[02:54] <pcw> this results in loss of sound and tv
[02:54] <pcw> chmod a+rw manually will fix the problem
[02:54] <pcw> 2: server applications such as apt-cacher fails to start
[02:54] <pcw> curiously ssh works
[02:54] <duanedesign> JoeMaverickSett:  patch  tries  to  skip  any leading garbage, apply the diff, and then skip any trailing garbage.  Thus you could
[02:54] <duanedesign>        feed an article or message containing a diff listing to patch, and it  should  work
[02:55] <duanedesign> :\
[02:55] <stlsaint> pcw: all this happens at bootup?
[02:55] <pcw> 3:Problem repeatable but on a random basis
[02:55] <pcw> yes clean boot
[02:55] <pcw> reboot does not seem to have that problem
[02:55] <pcw> at least not that often
[02:56] <stlsaint> whats problem 3
[02:56] <duanedesign> JoeMaverickSett: but it doesnt hurt to try and keep that stuff out
[02:56] <pcw> no more problem 3
[02:57] <pcw> :)
[02:57] <JoeMaverickSett> duanedesign, i'm confused. anyways, i won't be doing any patching untill i learn how to compile kernel. i'll get back to you all when i do any patchings. ;)
[02:58] <JoeMaverickSett> duanedesign, got alot of things to learn. doing that step by step. hope you can later assist me in my exploration of linux and Ubuntu. =D
[02:58] <stlsaint> pcw: alright, well only thing i can think of right now is something with user permissions
[02:58] <duanedesign> JoeMaverickSett: absolutely
[02:59] <stlsaint> pcw: im assuming your in the admin group and you are "root"
[02:59] <JoeMaverickSett> duanedesign, alright. thanks. right now! reading how to compile a kernel.
[03:00] <stlsaint> duanedesign: you see those linkys i posted for joe on compiling kernel....from our very own ibuclaw :D
[03:00] <stlsaint> duanedesign: hey you have any thoughts on pcw's issue?
[03:00] <pcw> stlsaint: ubu users should hav access to those devices via hal or udev right?
[03:00] <stlsaint> pcw: what release are you runnign?
[03:01] <pcw> stlsaint: one should not need to be root to read those devices
[03:01] <pcw> stlsaint:lucid
[03:01] <duanedesign> pcw: what do you get from this command: cat /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-ubuntu-admin.conf
[03:01] <duanedesign> should be AdminIdentities=unix-group:admin
[03:02] <stlsaint> pcw: no you dont need to be root, but like i said something in permissions is finicky
[03:02] <stlsaint> yep yep
[03:02] <pcw> duanedesign:it's as you said
[03:03] <pcw> [Configuration]\nAdminIdentities=unix-group:admin
[03:04] <duanedesign> whats in:  groups
[03:04] <pcw> pcw adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[03:06] <pcw> duanedesign|stlsaint: think it might be a race condition problem
[03:07] <pcw> otherwise it would not be this random
[03:07] <duanedesign> hmm
[03:08] <stlsaint> pcw: yea with it being random makes it kinda hard to diag
[03:08] <duanedesign> pcw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/477832   I havent been reading this whole thread, but does this sound like anything you are experiencing?
[03:08] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 477832 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "User account lost permissions after Karmic upgrade, breaking all audio (affects: 4) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New]
[03:08] <stlsaint> also i wouldnt know how to configure udev or anything to troubleshoot
[03:09] <pcw> duanedesign: just a sec
[03:09] <pcw> <stlsaint: yep worse of the worst. Thanks for your effort.
[03:11] <duanedesign> 2/5
[03:14] <stlsaint> pcw: sorry
[03:18] <pcw> stlsaint:no worries and thank you
[03:19] <pcw> duanedesign: the first part seems right but does not seem to affect the server apps or does it
[03:22] <pcw> duanedesign|stlsaint:Thanks for your help. Bug is still unresolved but i gtg now.
[03:36] <harrison> pcw can you state what was being talked about?
[03:37] <IdleOne> harrison: you can see logs of this channel and many others at irclogs.ubuntu.com I believe they are updated hourly
[03:38] <harrison> Thanks I was looking for that before but I couldn't remember that URL.
[03:41] <harrison> Does IRSSI have a feachur to turn off telling who joins and quits?
[03:43] <harrison> I find that anoying as When I am reading I get "soandso (soandso@soandsos.isp.net)" and it interups my reading.
[03:43] <IdleOne> /ignore  * JOINS PARTS QUITS
[03:43] <IdleOne> that should do it
[03:43] <harrison> I will try that.
[03:44] <harrison> It didn't crash so thats good.
[03:44] <harrison> IdleOne What IRC client are you using?
[03:45] <IdleOne> xchat
[03:45] <harrison> have you ever used IRSSI>
[03:45] <harrison> *?
[03:45] <IdleOne> very little
[03:45] <harrison> I might try xchat see how it works.
[03:46] <IdleOne> it is a GUI client
[03:47] <harrison> Thats why I don't have it on my server.
[03:48] <IdleOne> indeed
[03:49] <harrison> I am curently SSHed into my server runing a screen session running IRSSI talking here.
[03:49] <harrison> That way I can swich betwean computers easly.
[03:50] <IdleOne> in that case you are using the right client
[03:50] <IdleOne> there is a #irssi
[03:50] <harrison> There is?
[03:50] <harrison> one moment
[03:51] <harrison> 383 nicks on there
[03:53] <IdleOne> also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq is something you may want to look at before asking questions in #irssi Not all channels have the same helpful attitude as Ubuntu channels :)
[03:53] <harrison> how do I join a chat room in Xchat?
[03:53] <IdleOne> /join #channel
[03:53] <IdleOne> same as with irssi
[03:54] <harrison> Figured
[03:54] <IdleOne> most commands are cross client
[03:55] <harrison> Would /ignore work to?
[03:55] <IdleOne> it does
[03:55] <harrison> okay!
[03:56] <harrison> okay that didn't work.
[03:57] <harrison> Gave me an error mesage
[03:57] <harrison>  Unknown arg 'JOINS' ignored.
[03:57] <harrison>  Unknown arg 'PARTS' ignored.
[03:57] <harrison>  Unknown arg 'QUITS' ignored.
[03:57] <harrison>  Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..>
[03:57] <harrison>      mask - host mask to ignore, eg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:57] <harrison>      types - types of data to ignore, one or all of:
[03:57] <harrison>              PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL
[03:57] <harrison>      options - NOSAVE, QUIET
[03:58] <harrison> thats the error.
[03:59] <stlsaint> exit
[04:02] <IdleOne> harrison: ask in #xchat
[04:03] <IdleOne> I don't know the exact command. I actually like seeing the join/parts
[04:05] <harrison> Goodnight
[04:05] <IdleOne> good night
[04:06] <IdleOne> harrison: in xchat you can also right click on the channel name and go to Settings > Hide Join/Part
[04:06] <IdleOne> but there is a command to make it global
[04:18] <RealEyes> help?
[04:21] <IdleOne> with
[04:21] <IdleOne> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/foo/ask-smart-questions.pdf
[04:22] <RealEyes> I just DLed some MP3s and RythymBox doesnt want to play them
[04:51] <Arthur> Good night, I need help with my Ubuntu at boot, I installed Storage Device manager on my Ubuntu 10.4 installation to automount at boot an NTFS hardrive, then I wanted to set it back to no automount and I deleted the settings of the sda3 media, Grub works well and my xp installation, but Ubuntu won-t boot, the screen shuts down and i need to restart, any help+
[04:57] <phillw> Arthur: it's quite likely as you are dual booting, that sda3 was your ubuntu
[04:58] <Arthur> Right, I found differences between fstab and fstab.bak, so I restored with the fstab.bak but have the same issue
[05:00] <Arthur> Phillw, sda3 apears as ntfs
[05:02] <Arthur> and I also have UUID=3fef9346-48dc-4805-a476-6ee8fddef899 as ext4 but permissions for users,noauto
[05:02] <phillw> the guys over at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333 would be more familiar with such things.
[05:02] <phillw> there are so many variables that you should run the "I've got a problem" script and post the result (In code tags) on there.
[05:02] <phillw> http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[05:03] <Arthur> sorry but where do I run the Ive got problems script? Im currenlty accesing with a live distro
[05:04] <ikt> Arthur, which script?
[05:05] <Arthur> "I've got a problem"
[05:06] <Arthur> would it be possible to use the live usb to reinstall on the same partition without messing with the grub?
[12:48] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:48] <paultag> lo :)
[12:51] <out-of-hand> hi, can anyone here assist me with installing ubuntu 10.04
[12:51] <out-of-hand> ?
[12:51] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, what problems are you having?
[12:51] <out-of-hand> thank u for ur reply
[12:51] <out-of-hand> im installing ubuntu via live cd through windows
[12:51] <slidinghorn> wait....livecd through windows?
[12:51] <out-of-hand> when it gets to the end of the progress bar . i get a "permission denied"
[12:52] <out-of-hand> it gives me a wubi log
[12:52] <slidinghorn> ok...via wubi..ok
[12:52] <out-of-hand> but im confused . and dont know how to fix the issue
[12:52] <slidinghorn> could you post the log to http://paste.ubuntu.com for us?  (provide the link it posts to)
[12:52] <geirha> out-of-hand: You probably need to install it as an admin user in order for it to update the boot manager.
[12:52] <out-of-hand> im admin on this pc
[12:53] <out-of-hand> will post it
[12:53] <out-of-hand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/469780/
[12:54] <out-of-hand> sorry. i ment via Wubi :)
[12:54] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, how much free space is on the HDD you're installing to?
[12:55] <geirha> out-of-hand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/371264  that suggests it has problems reading the CD.
[12:55] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 371264 in wubi "erroneous "permission denied" on read error (affects: 5) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[12:56] <out-of-hand> hdd i have 50GB free
[12:57] <out-of-hand> is it a CD error ?
[12:57] <geirha> So maybe try burning the CD at lower speed, or mount the ISO using daemontools or something like that.
[12:57] <slidinghorn> geirha, not a livecd it's wubi
[12:57] <out-of-hand> ill explain ... i once had it installed. i then removed it... and could never get it back on ... so i left it for a while. then eventually 10.04 was out. so i tried to install the new one
[12:58] <geirha> slidinghorn: But as I understood it, wubi run from the CD ...
[12:58] <slidinghorn> (or is there a cd *for* wubi)
[12:58] <slidinghorn> geirha, oh ok, sorry...I've never tried through wubi so I'm unfamiliar
[12:58] <geirha> slidinghorn: The desktop CD has a wubi.exe on it.
[12:58] <slidinghorn> ah
[12:58] <out-of-hand> hmmmm... i dont think its the cd... i did burn it at a slow speed ..
[12:59] <out-of-hand> it works as a live cd... when i boot up computer into ubuntu...
[12:59] <out-of-hand> its through windows i seem to have this issue
[12:59] <geirha> out-of-hand: Try booting the CD, hit shift when it starts booting to get a menu, then choose to check cd for defects.
[13:00] <out-of-hand> ok
[13:00] <geirha> (It is shift isn't it?)
[13:00] <geirha> Or possibly any key. It's when you see a purple screen with a keyboard=person logo at the bottom
[13:01] <out-of-hand> if it not that ?
[13:01] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, after doing that, you may want to try installing from the .exe as opposed to the disk: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer
[13:01] <slidinghorn> geirha, shift is for the grub menu if that's what you're going for
[13:01] <out-of-hand> checking ur link now
[13:03] <out-of-hand> trying again
[13:05] <out-of-hand> will they eventually get a sync program to sync ur nokia phone numbers to pc ?
[13:05] <out-of-hand> ubuntu *
[13:06] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, not sure what you mean (then again, I have no cell phone, haha)
[13:06] <out-of-hand> i hate windows... been stressing with this alot .. and been getting ubuntu introduced in south africa...
[13:06] <slidinghorn> the creator of Ubuntu is from South Africa :)
[13:07] <out-of-hand> hmmmm... same error... as i get to end of installation ... comes up with permission denied
[13:07] <out-of-hand> yeah i know :) ubuntu rocks ...
[13:07] <out-of-hand> :(
[13:08] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, ok...looking for more solutions...
[13:08] <geirha> out-of-hand: Do you have a program to mount iso as a virtual cd in windows?
[13:08] <out-of-hand> i remember last year, when i had the previous ubuntu... i deleted it through add and remove programs ... and since then ... had issues to re install
[13:09] <geirha> I'm guessing wubi.exe detected the ubuntu CD in the drive and used that instead of grabbing the iso off the net.
[13:09] <out-of-hand> i will quickly download a virtual mount program
[13:09] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, here's a post about one: http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9070762&postcount=13
[13:10] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, check post #16 on that page too
[13:11] <out-of-hand> thanks seems to have relevance to my issue
[13:11] <out-of-hand> brb
[13:13] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, well, I could always point you to a post about how to use Evolution ;-)  haha
[13:13] <out-of-hand> ok ... trying with ubuntu 9.10 iso
[13:13] <out-of-hand> its the only iso i have on this work pc
[13:13] <out-of-hand>  Evolution
[13:13] <out-of-hand> ?
[13:13] <slidinghorn> Evolution is the default email client on ubuntu
[13:14] <slidinghorn> similar to Thunderbird (or, a little less, Outlook)
[13:14] <slidinghorn> vice versa^^
[13:14] <out-of-hand> i was wondering if it was that .... cant get this new version of ubuntu to work :( i did see they took of pidgin and added Evolution
[13:14] <slidinghorn> well they replaced pidgin with empathy -- maybe that's what you're thinking of?
[13:15] <out-of-hand> damn i think u are right.... must be something on the CD i made ... thank u for that :) the 9.10  installed 100%
[13:15] <slidinghorn> evolution's been with Ubuntu for quite a while
[13:15] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, excellent!
[13:15] <out-of-hand> empathy ..
[13:15] <out-of-hand> oh... haha ... lovely ... im falling behind
[13:16] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, the main reason I started using linux was to learn...love learning new things -- that's what linux is all about :)
[13:16] <out-of-hand> can one still play games ... wine ? or other software for it ?
[13:16] <slidinghorn> some of them
[13:16] <slidinghorn> you'll have to check compatibility through wine's AppDB http://appdb.winehq.org
[13:16] <out-of-hand> yeah ... i like Linux to ... i started with Suse... was ok .. bat 8 years back ...
[13:16] <out-of-hand> then knoppix...
[13:17] <out-of-hand> now ubuntu cought my attention
[13:17]  * slidinghorn started with ubuntu -- back when it was Dapper :)
[13:17] <out-of-hand> awsome ... so how did u learn the command lines ?
[13:17] <out-of-hand> the grub
[13:17] <out-of-hand> etc
[13:18] <slidinghorn> actually no...i had hardy first...and installed dapper on another machine
[13:18] <slidinghorn> that's what it was
[13:18] <out-of-hand> brb
[13:18] <slidinghorn> out-of-hand, just practiced...tried to stay away from GUI programs when I could -- also had some experience w/ unix commands from having a VPS
[13:19] <slidinghorn> plus, I read a lot -- spend a *lot* of my free time reading articles online and just trying to learn all I can :)
[13:28] <out-of-hand> awsome... i got too much free time .. will look into it ...
[13:28] <out-of-hand> also another thing
[13:28] <slidinghorn> ok
[13:28] <out-of-hand> can one save repository (updates ) on a cd and update via a cd like before (for those pc without internet access)
[13:29] <slidinghorn> !aptoncd
[13:29] <ubot2> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers - See also !offline
[13:29] <slidinghorn> check that out ^^
[13:29] <slidinghorn> oh...no link -- let me find you something
[13:29] <out-of-hand> lol
[13:29] <out-of-hand> thanks
[13:29] <slidinghorn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/APTonCD
[13:30] <slidinghorn> happy to help
[13:31] <slidinghorn> I'll be back in a bit, going to McDonald's to satisfy my sweet tea addiction and head to the office.  Should be back in here by 10 :)
[13:31] <paultag> cheerio!
[13:31] <slidinghorn> *it's 8:30 here now -- for those outside of EST, lol
[13:31] <out-of-hand> thank you again and again
[13:32] <slidinghorn> any time....that's what we're here for :)
[13:32] <slidinghorn> be back soon
[13:32] <out-of-hand> sweet :)
[13:32] <out-of-hand> ciao
[15:14] <Mohan_chml> OMG BGS100
[15:14] <bgs100> hai
[15:15] <Mohan_chml> (: how are ya bgs100 ?
[15:15] <bgs100> Alright, sad that summer's nearly over... you?
[15:16] <Mohan_chml> I am outta town. I think I ll go home tonight (:
[15:17] <bgs100> Well, as extremely cliched by hundreds of movies, "there's no place like it" :P
[15:21] <Mohan_chml> :o
[15:30] <Mohan_chml> hiya hobgoblin
[15:31] <hobgoblin> o/
[15:32] <Mohan_chml> hows life hobgoblin ?
[15:33] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty Mohan_chml - you too I trust
[15:34] <Mohan_chml> Yeah. Going on well. I am outta town for the past three days. Hope tonight I ll get back (:
[15:34] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:34] <Mohan_chml> where are the kids?
[15:35] <hobgoblin> she is at here mum's
[15:35] <hobgoblin> the other 2 are older ...
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> okies
[18:43] <BGL-[a]> i have a simple script that mounts network shares, how do i pipe the (sometimes error) output to a file, an appending file
[18:44] <BGL-[a]> >> is not working
[18:44] <BGL-[a]> not appending
[18:44] <BGL-[a]> tried a couple other things too
[18:46] <BGL-[a]> i only get the last line of the last command in the file
[18:48] <BGL-[a]> hmm nevermind maybe i got it
[18:48] <BGL-[a]> i was using >> file.txt instead of >>file.txt
[18:53] <drubin> BGL-[a]: add 2>&1
[18:53] <drubin> so command 2>&1 >> file.txt
[18:53] <drubin> that way you will also catch the errors and exceptions
[18:54] <BGL-[a]> 2>&1 >> file.txt but not 2>&1 >>file.txt ?
[18:55] <BGL-[a]> the space seems to make a diff
[18:55] <BGL-[a]> just askin
[18:55] <BGL-[a]> i'll give it a whirl
[18:55] <drubin> it shouldn't
[18:55] <drubin> spaces don't matter.
[18:57] <BGL-[a]> ok that seems to work
[18:58] <BGL-[a]> thx
[19:06] <drubin> pleasure
[19:48] <Sketchbag> okay I have a serious problem...Everytime I boot totem comes up trying to play a file on the network to which it no longer has access. so it spams errors until I either kill it connect to the network share or crash.
[19:49] <Sketchbag> I did a purge and reinstall after reboot but the problem persists
[19:49] <Sketchbag> now flash videos no longer work aswell
[20:17] <komputes> I would like to disable hibernation in Lucid. This used to be a simple gconf key but due to Bug #432598 I have to do "mv /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate.disabled;ln -sv /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate /bin/false;dpkg-divert --package pm-utils --divert /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate --rename /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate.disabled". Does anyone have a simpler way?
[20:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 432598 in upower (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 14 other projects) "Do not show suspend/hiberate related UI if suspend is disabled in polkit (affects: 49) (dups: 3) (heat: 218)" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432598
[20:21] <cosmosis> How do I modify the automount system in ubuntu 10.04 to mount usb sticks so that the current user has permission... right now its mounting them as /media/usb  with chown of root:root
[20:26] <cosmosis> How do I modify the automount system in ubuntu 10.04 to mount usb sticks so that the current user has permission... right now its mounting them as /media/usb  with chown of root:root
[20:27] <slidinghorn> cosmosis, might want to take a look at this thread: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/automount-permissions-for-external-usb-hhd-555022/
[20:27] <cosmosis> thanks looking thru
[20:30] <cosmosis> ok so here is the thing....
[20:31] <cosmosis> the article you referenced is nov 2009 so they were probably using ubuntu 9.
[20:31] <cosmosis> so they mention checking some keys with gconf-editor
[20:31] <cosmosis> and gconftool
[20:31] <cosmosis> those keys dont exisit at all
[20:31] <cosmosis> its like storage is being managed by something else (probably fuse
[20:34] <slidinghorn> unfortunately I'm not on an Ubuntu system right now & won't be until after 5pm EST...If you're still around then and haven't gotten your issue fixed, I'll see what I can find out for you
[20:35] <cosmosis> thanks
[20:35] <cosmosis> looking into it here too...
[20:35] <paultag> cosmosis: fuse would not handle a usb drive
[20:35] <paultag> cosmosis: fuse == filesystem in userspace ( a program ) :)
[20:35] <cosmosis> any idea what is responsible for automounting usb sticks?
[20:36] <paultag> cosmosis: sure do. HAL, and one other thing
[20:36] <paultag> cosmosis: sec, let me check init, it's in there
[20:37] <paultag> udev
[20:37] <paultag> that's it
[20:37] <paultag> cosmosis: it's managed by udev
[20:37] <cosmosis> Paul: ok not sure if you caught my initial question but the thing we are working on is that when a usb stick is pluged in it gets automounted in /media/usb0  and its owned by root:root instead of the active user
[20:37] <paultag> cosmosis: ahh, cool
[20:37] <paultag> cosmosis: sec, give me a sec to research
[20:38] <cosmosis> so I am trying to figure out a way to get it owned by the active user or to get the rights for the directory to be 666 so I can write to the stick
[20:38] <paultag> :O
[20:38] <paultag> 666 == devil
[20:38] <paultag> ;)
[20:38] <paultag> almost the worst perms you can have
[20:38] <paultag> 777 is a tad worse
[20:38] <cosmosis> I mean I can sudo and chmod but it gets annoying to do it over and over again
[20:38] <paultag> yes, of coruse
[20:38] <paultag> course
[20:39] <paultag> cosmosis: I did something with udev this morning, let me pull up the line i added to udev.d
[20:39] <paultag> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0bb4", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0c01", MODE="0666", OWNER="tag"
[20:39] <paultag> cosmosis: that's for my android. Might help apply here
[20:39] <paultag> cosmosis: just `lsusb` to get the idProduce and idVendor
[20:39] <hobgoblin> whole bunch of these on the forums it seems
[20:39] <paultag> cosmosis: then add that to /etc/udev/rules.d
[20:39] <paultag> hobgoblin: oh?
[20:39] <paultag> heyya hobgoblin :)
[20:39] <cosmosis> well my preference would be 700 but the only way to do it would be to get the drive mounted so its owned by my account
[20:40] <paultag> cosmosis: jst use that line I sent and add salt to taste
[20:40] <cosmosis> ok so I want to poke around in /etc/udev/rules.d and add a line for each USB drive
[20:40] <cosmosis> cool thank you paul.. that gives me a good place to start
[20:40] <paultag> cosmosis: it's tough to get wrong. Just add in a 11-cosmosis-usb
[20:40] <paultag> cosmosis: sure thing. That can just go in a file in the rules.d
[20:40] <paultag> cosmosis: that should work :)
[20:42] <paultag> so hobgoblin, how's tricks?
[20:43] <hobgoblin> hi paultag
[20:44] <paultag> hobgoblin: have you seen my netbook?
[20:44] <hobgoblin> paultag: people were removing hal
[20:44] <paultag> hobgoblin: Oh?
[20:44] <hobgoblin> no - have you lost it?
[20:44] <paultag> hobgoblin: why would someone do that?
[20:44] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:44] <paultag> hobgoblin: haha, I made "Forkbomb Linux mod"
[20:44] <paultag> hobgoblin: sec, let me screenshot
[20:45] <hobgoblin> I wondered that myself
[20:45] <hobgoblin> oh and do you know you are mia again
[20:45] <paultag> hobgoblin: http://imgur.com/5FktT.png
[20:45] <paultag> hobgoblin: Ach, crap!
[20:45] <paultag> hobgoblin: I need to fix my irssi
[20:45] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:45] <paultag> hobgoblin: that is debian squeeze hacked apart
[20:45]  * hobgoblin hates irrsi
[20:46] <paultag> BAH!
[20:46] <hobgoblin> nice one :)
[20:46] <hobgoblin> though I find conky and it's ilk fairly pointless
[20:47] <paultag> Bah!
[20:47] <paultag> I love it
[20:48] <hobgoblin> geek#
[20:48] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:48] <drubin> paultag: like the background
[20:48] <hobgoblin> all I need is a ship and a star to sail by
[20:48] <paultag> thanks drubin
[20:48] <paultag> drubin: I did that :)
[20:49] <drubin> paultag: yes I am sure
[20:49] <paultag> drubin: it was booted in 81 MiB of RAM
[20:49] <paultag> drubin: but now it's up to about 300
[20:50] <cosmosis> do I need to restart udev after creating a new file in the rules.d directory?
[20:50] <drubin> can't hurt
[20:51] <paultag> cosmosis: nosir, just unplug and replug the device
[20:51] <paultag> but it can't hurt :)
[20:51] <paultag> <3 drubin
[20:51] <drubin> paultag: that was my nieve answer
[20:51] <drubin> mostly because never know what I am talking about.
[20:51] <paultag> drubin: I was playing with udev this morning
[20:51] <paultag> that
[20:51] <paultag> that's the only reason
[20:51] <paultag> darn keyboard
[20:51] <paultag> 'tis a poor craftsman that blames his tools
[20:52] <drubin> paultag: Lucky my brain is on the fritz
[20:52] <paultag> drubin: mm
[20:52] <cosmosis> hmmmm I must have gotten something wrong
[20:53] <paultag> cosmosis: what's your line look like?
[20:53] <cosmosis> UBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0fca", ATTRS{idProduct}=="8004", MODE="0666", OWNER="cosmosis"
[20:54] <cosmosis> lsusb reports the device as Bus 002 Device 008: ID 0fca:8004 Research In Motion, Ltd.
[20:54] <paultag> cosmosis: what's the output of lsusb | grep 0fca
[20:54] <paultag> OK
[20:54] <paultag> Oh, it's a blackberry
[20:54] <cosmosis> yeah... I need to be able to dump pod casts into the 8 gig media card in it
[20:55] <paultag> cosmosis: humm
[20:55] <cosmosis> but really it doesnt matter what device I plug in.. my regular usb sticks get mounted as root:root 755
[20:56] <paultag> cosmosis: and you can't play in the /media dir?
[20:56] <paultag> Oh I wonder
[20:56] <cosmosis> what do you mean play?
[20:56] <paultag> I wonder if it's just making the /dev/ device that permission
[20:56] <paultag> that might be
[20:56] <paultag> cosmosis: can you ls -l /dev/sd*
[20:56] <paultag> cosmosis: and paste the blackberry's line
[20:57] <paultag> or the whole thing
[20:57] <paultag> don't matter much, I can figure it out ;)
[20:57] <cosmosis> well it gets 3 lines because of how its got partitions
[20:57] <cosmosis> brw-rw-rw- 1 cosmosis disk 8, 48 2010-07-27 15:52 /dev/sdd
[20:57] <cosmosis> brw-rw-rw- 1 cosmosis disk 8, 49 2010-07-27 15:52 /dev/sdd1
[20:57] <cosmosis> brw-rw-rw- 1 cosmosis disk 8, 64 2010-07-27 15:52 /dev/sde
[20:57] <paultag> Ahha!!
[20:57] <paultag> thought so
[20:57] <paultag> cosmosis: crap, it just changed the /dev/ to your user account
[20:58] <cosmosis> to its credit it did honor the 666 on the dev :P
[20:58] <paultag> cosmosis: yessir :)
[20:59] <cosmosis> but the problem is that the dev when its mounted is back to root:root
[20:59] <paultag> aye
[20:59] <paultag> yeah
[20:59] <cosmosis> media directory looks like this
[20:59] <paultag> hey hobgoblin
[20:59] <cosmosis> rwxr-xr-x 11 root root  4096 2010-07-27 13:35 .
[20:59] <cosmosis> drwxr-xr-x 23 root root  4096 2010-07-11 11:43 ..
[20:59] <cosmosis> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2010-07-14 23:04 bb
[20:59] <cosmosis> -rw-------  1 root root     0 2010-07-27 13:35 .hal-mtab-lock
[20:59] <cosmosis> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     4 2010-07-14 23:07 usb -> usb0
[20:59] <cosmosis> drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 32768 1969-12-31 19:00 usb0
[20:59] <cosmosis> drwxr-xr-x  9 root root 16384 1969-12-31 19:00 usb1
[20:59] <hobgoblin> paultag: yep
[21:00] <paultag> hobgoblin: what auto mounts dev blocks to /media?
[21:00] <paultag> hobgoblin: is that hal ?
[21:00] <hobgoblin> not sure it does in lucid anymore
[21:00] <paultag> hobgoblin: it does
[21:00] <paultag> hobgoblin: but it's either a GNOME thing or HAL
[21:01] <paultag> and I can't remember what
[21:01] <paultag> perhaps GNOME talks to HAL over dbus
[21:01] <paultag> I can't remember
[21:01] <hobgoblin> mmmm - well I can remove hall without ubuntu-desktop going
[21:01] <paultag> that could be a pkg issue
[21:01] <paultag> and I think dbus can handle that with grace
[21:02] <paultag> cosmosis: might want to look into HAL rules
[21:02] <hobgoblin> in fact I think it turned up here when I installed some filemanager
[21:02] <cosmosis> where are hal rules stored?
[21:02] <paultag> hummm
[21:02] <paultag> hobgoblin: that could be
[21:02] <paultag> cosmosis: I'm not sure
[21:02] <hobgoblin> paultag: xubuntu pulled it in
[21:03] <paultag> hurmm
[21:03] <cosmosis> hmm what I am reading says 10.04 droped hal for udev....
[21:04] <cosmosis> what is .gvfs-fuse-saemon?
[21:04] <paultag> humm
[21:04] <hobgoblin> paultag: not sure if they went backwards - but at one point hal went
[21:04] <cosmosis> err daemon
[21:05] <cosmosis> because whenever I plug in a usb stick... it comes up in mount just before the media mounts
[21:05] <cosmosis> but goes away when a usb stick isnt in
[21:06] <hobgoblin> paultag: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8906905&postcount=11
[21:06] <hobgoblin> so it'd appear it's there if needed
[21:06] <paultag> thanks hobgoblin
[21:06] <paultag> hummmm
[21:11] <hobgoblin> paultag: all sorts of strange things I'm finding - removing hal removing usbmount problems with floppies conflicting
[21:11] <paultag> hurmm
[21:11] <hobgoblin> :)
[21:13] <cosmosis> wow
[21:13] <cosmosis> I think I might have it
[21:14] <cosmosis> ok so I removed the blackberry
[21:14] <cosmosis> then I deleted all the mount points it created under /media
[21:14] <cosmosis> plugged the device in.. and since it didnt have the old mount points I guess it created a new mount point under media using the rights from the udev rule
[21:15] <cosmosis> but its kind of odd... I only have one device instead of two.. so I think I am only looking at the internal storage of the blackberrry and not its flash sd
[21:15] <cosmosis> but its still an improvement
[21:16] <cosmosis> I find it odd though that this hasnt been a big issue in 10.04 and fixed
[21:18] <hobgoblin> cosmosis: are you fully updated?
[21:19] <cosmosis> I run update manager every morning
[21:19] <cosmosis> so I am updated to currently within like 4 hours ago
[21:19] <cosmosis> err to current
[21:20] <hobgoblin> k
[21:21] <cosmosis> ok its working now
[21:21] <cosmosis> so here is the thing I figured out
[21:21] <cosmosis> once you create the rule for the device in udev
[21:22] <cosmosis> you must delete the old mount point in /media
[21:22] <cosmosis> or it will continue to remount to the old mount point with the old permissions
[21:23] <cosmosis> Thank you so much hobgoblin and paultag
[21:23] <cosmosis> I have been searching around using google all morning but I didnt know where to start... getting me pointed toward udev was the push I needed
[21:30] <paultag> later hobo
[21:31] <paultag> Ach!
[21:32] <paultag> nhandler: <generic whine about freenode>
[21:46] <nhandler> paultag: Blame the servers/sponsors ;)
[21:46] <paultag> nhandler: 'tis a poor craftsman that blames his tools
[21:47] <paultag> :P
[21:55] <Expack> OK, everyone, I'm a new Ubuntu user who made the mistake of attempting to install the operating system to a USB key from another USB key.
[21:55] <Expack> Now I'm stuck having to use a GNOME-based multi-boot menu every time I want to run Windows 7.
[21:59] <Expack> I'd like to remove the GNOME-based multi-boot menu so that I can at least re-install Ubuntu on a seperate computer where I can mess around with it without running the risk of messing things up.
[22:00] <Expack> Hello? Is anyone here?
[22:43] <Out-Of-Hand> hi all ... i hope someone can help me with my installation of ubuntu 10.04
[22:44] <Out-Of-Hand> hello ?
[22:55] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, what seems to be the problem?
[23:16] <harrison> anyone here booted ubuntu over a network?
[23:17] <Out-Of-Hand> hay ... sorry
[23:17] <Out-Of-Hand> been checking my iso md5sum of my ubuntu i downloaded
[23:17] <Out-Of-Hand> its 100%
[23:18] <Out-Of-Hand> problem im having when i install it through windows .. it goes 100% then askes to reboot so it can install
[23:18] <Out-Of-Hand> when it gets to the option of windoze or ubuntu... i choose ubuntu... it counts down 5-1 then when it get to 0 .... it freezes
[23:19] <Out-Of-Hand> when i reboot... i select the Shift key when it counts down , and i choose safe graphics mode ... it gets to a point and freezes ., i  have a photo of what it stops at ... can someone assist me please
[23:23] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, post the photo here: http://tinyurl.com/imagebin
[23:23] <slidinghorn> harrison -- I've done netinstalls -- not with ubuntu, but debian...you having problems/
[23:25] <Out-Of-Hand> ok uploading
[23:25] <Out-Of-Hand> d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8
[23:25] <Out-Of-Hand> sorry that was not the link
[23:25] <Out-Of-Hand> http://imagebin.org/107039
[23:26] <harrison> yes I am fixing a friends laptop and it doesn't want to boot cds
[23:27] <slidinghorn> harrison, any way to boot from USB?
[23:27] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, I'm looking into that...
[23:28] <Out-Of-Hand> thanks
[23:28] <harrison> Might be, it's from 2002 when usb boot was first comming around.
[23:33] <Out-Of-Hand> any idea?
[23:34] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, not yet -- still digging :)
[23:40] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, not finding anything that has solutions...from the error msg I'm assuming you're booting from a USB?
[23:41] <Out-Of-Hand> no ... i used the iso... i used a magic iso virtual drive
[23:41] <Out-Of-Hand> to  install through windows... then when pc wants to reboot ... it comes up with the issue ... hangs ... or safe graphics it freezes there
[23:42] <Out-Of-Hand> slidinghorn ... was i not chatting to u earlier today ?
[23:42] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, yeah, this morning -- magic iso is on your windows system right?
[23:42] <Out-Of-Hand> i managed to install it on my work pc... thanks .. but at home .. this foxconn crap MB is crap ...
[23:42] <Out-Of-Hand> yeah
[23:43] <Out-Of-Hand> but this pc ... i had a issue ...
[23:44] <slidinghorn> well I'm thinking the issue is that it's trying to boot off some type of live environment (i.e. cd or usb) that doesn't exist -- and it would have to access magic iso *on* your windows installation during boot, which I have no idea how it would manage to do...
[23:44] <Out-Of-Hand> when i installed ubuntu first time ... it worked well... i then needed to install windows... so i formatted the 500GB  and installed windows ... when it gets to stupid... searching for drivers and devics hardward blue screen it stops at 34 min to complete windows xp install ...
[23:45] <Out-Of-Hand> bare with me please ... :)
[23:45] <slidinghorn> what I'm not getting (and maybe it's just that I don't know anything about wubi), is that I didn't think wubi set up dual-boots
[23:45] <Out-Of-Hand> sop i had to bopot with F10 and go to the drivers  and delete CPU.INF file
[23:46] <Out-Of-Hand> so ... they windows installs . after that ... i could not install ubuntu ... could it be something about the foxconn ?mother board
[23:46] <Out-Of-Hand> how would u suggest ... duel boot .? get a program to make a duel boot ?
[23:47] <Out-Of-Hand> scrap windows completely and just install ubuntu ... and install windows in a virtualbox maybe ?
[23:47] <slidinghorn> Out-Of-Hand, well that's where I'm getting confused...you said when you booted up the machine, it asked you whether to boot windows or ubuntu
[23:47] <slidinghorn> which sounds like a dual-boot
[23:48] <slidinghorn> but, as I said (and I could very well be wrong), I didn't think wubi set up dual-boots
[23:48] <Out-Of-Hand> i dunno ... earlier .. i tried what u suggested ... i used the iso in a virtual  mount software
[23:48] <Out-Of-Hand> although it was 9.04
[23:49] <Out-Of-Hand> it seems that... its installs ... and when the pc re-boots to finalize installation ... it uses what was installed on hdd... not the windows virtual mount anymore...
[23:49] <Out-Of-Hand> so it worked at the office  after we found it to be a defect iso cd i made
[23:50] <Out-Of-Hand> i check when i got home the md5sum is correct and i tried install again as i did at  office
[23:51] <slidinghorn> what's the name of the iso file?
[23:51] <Out-Of-Hand> hold on
[23:52] <Out-Of-Hand> ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[23:53] <slidinghorn> ok, so it's not wubi -- there goes *some* of my confusion
[23:54] <slidinghorn> with that .iso, you should be able to burn to disk and boot off of that disk.


[08:34] <MCR1> sil2100: Hi :) I've fixed another Compiz Grid bug, this MP needs approval: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.merge-fix1139835-grid-wrong-top-left-corner-calculation/+merge/151358
[08:34] <sil2100> MCR1: checking in a moment!
[08:36] <MCR1> sil2100: Thanks. It was calculating the top left corner wrongly. So with 2 monitors the top-left corner detection and mouse-gridding the window into top left with the mouse will not work on monitor 2. This MP fixes that.
[08:38] <MCR1> didrocks: Hi. Unmaximize_or_restore_window is working per default as intended on Raring daily ISO. I do not know what you tested on your system, that it did not work 4 you...
[08:39] <MCR1> *Unmaximize_or_minimize
[08:39] <MCR1> *sry
[08:40] <MCR1> unmaximize is a bad name choice anyway <- it should be restore and work for all size manipulated windows... like the gridded ones as well...
[08:43] <didrocks> MCR1: hey! FYI, we froze compiz after talking to Sam, duflu and other. Meaning than lp:compiz is the pure upstream, and we only pick "safe changes" on lp:compiz/raring
[08:43] <didrocks> MCR1: but on the unmaximize thing, did you try to install quantal and then upgrade?
[08:44] <MCR1> didrocks: ahem, no.
[08:44] <didrocks> that's one of the main use case :)
[08:44] <MCR1> ok, I'll look into that also...
[08:44] <didrocks> thanks
[08:45] <MCR1> didrocks: Maybe that is a good choice, the freeze - I do not know. But it is kind of sad to see 0 Canonical maintainers for such a important thing like Compiz :(
[08:46] <didrocks> MCR1: well, that's the consequence, we can't maintain it anymore, so we don't want to take risks
[08:46] <MCR1> didrocks: Do you plan to drop Compiz in the near future ?
[08:47] <didrocks> MCR1: I don't know of any precise plan. More something to ask to the PS team
[10:09] <Trevinho> didrocks/seb128: are we going to merge this https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/nautilus/nautilus-3.7.90/+merge/149617 ?
[10:09] <didrocks> I guess that part is for seb128 :)
[10:09] <Trevinho> ok
[10:10] <Trevinho> seb128: since I need to push to nautilus other patches that I just pushed upstream...
[10:10] <Trevinho> seb128: so, I'd like to know if I should do over 3.6 or 3.7 (which seems to work pretty well here, though)
[10:11] <seb128> Trevinho, not before 3.8 is out
[10:11] <seb128> e.g not before a few weeks
[10:12] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, the fact is that I need to do some work in unity that is depending on them, so I'd like to have new nautilus released before unity...
[10:14] <Trevinho> seb128: so is it better if I backport the patches to 3.6 waiting for 3.8?
[10:15] <seb128> Trevinho, shrugh, how much works is it to backport those and when do you want to land the unity changes?
[10:16] <Trevinho> seb128: it shouldn't be too much work... I've worked mostly upstream, but it should be quite straight forward to get them for 3.6... Unity changes are under work still, but I think I can finish them in this week
[10:16] <seb128> Trevinho, wait a few days, I need to look more at nautilus 3.8 before telling you when we will update
[10:16] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, that's fine
[10:16] <seb128> Trevinho, we have UDS this week and the rolling release discussion and a zillion thing, priority is not to land GNOME 3.8 beta in
[10:17] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I know
[10:17] <seb128> Trevinho, I need to have a look if nautilus implies other updates
[10:17] <didrocks> is there any matter of urgency? Can't we just wait for nautilus 3.8 to get out and you can move to something else meanwhile?
[10:17] <seb128> like GTK 3.8 which is not in yes
[10:18] <Trevinho> seb128: I asked only because I didn't know which branch I should use to work on...
[10:18] <seb128> Trevinho, just do your unity work and assume we will get what you need from nautilus in the archive
[10:18] <Trevinho> didrocks: well... not urgency, but I don't like keeping things staging for long time before merging (due to upcoming conflicts and such)
[10:18] <Trevinho> seb128: ok cool
[10:19] <Trevinho> didrocks: the dependency is on dbus side, btw...t hat's why they need each others
[10:19] <didrocks> Trevinho: anyway, you will need to still "work (== not regressing)" even if the user didn't upgrade to latest nautilus
[10:19] <didrocks> so you don't block on the nautilus side :)
[10:19] <Trevinho> didrocks: yes, there won't be a problem on that side...
[10:20] <didrocks> so you're not blocked :)
[10:20] <Trevinho> didrocks: the user would just lose a feature
[13:53] <mterry> sil2100, nvidia-autopilot is jumping from 18 failing tests to 10 back up to 20.  Is it more susceptible to race conditions than ati/intel?
[13:53] <mterry> (ati and intel have stayed relatively static at around 10 to 13)
[13:56] <didrocks> hey mterry, is libcolumbus in main now?
[13:56] <sil2100> mterry: strange, hm
[13:57] <didrocks> mterry: also, are sil2100's AP tests enabled and running on both indicators and unity stacks? (I asked cyphermox about it)
[13:58] <mterry> didrocks, not promoted yet, but it's MIR is approved and things in main depend on it.  So it's just a matter of time
[13:58] <didrocks> mterry: great! and about the tests?
[13:59] <mterry> didrocks, what do you mean by "sil2100's AP tests"?  I mean, as opposed to other AP tests
[13:59] <mterry> We are running the AP tests, of course...
[13:59] <didrocks> mterry: he wrote some tests for the fuzzy matching, but there were disabled as long as libcolumbus didn't land
[14:00] <didrocks> mterry: so I asked cyphermox IIRC to check about those to be enabled back, and also, to add to the "test list" we have for indicators
[14:00] <mterry> didrocks, I thought those tests had went through, since we approved libcolumbus
[14:00] <sil2100> I don't think those got enabled
[14:00] <mterry> i.e. I hadn't thought they had been disabled.  Guess I missed that
[14:00] <sil2100> Let me check
[14:06] <didrocks> sil2100: keep us posted :)
[14:17] <sil2100> didrocks: they're still disabled, but I'll compose a merge request in a moment
[14:17] <sil2100> I just need to finish up something first
[14:18] <didrocks> sil2100: thanks, do they depend on the HUD thing to be merged? or just u-l-a?
[14:53] <seb128> mterry, hey, where is update-manager getting its app icons from?
[14:53] <seb128> mterry, it's showing a "missing icon" icon for the video lens update here
[14:54] <mterry> seb128, hrm.  It gets it from the desktop file I believe
[14:54] <seb128> mterry, do we have some of thoses for lenses?
[14:54] <mterry> seb128, let me double confirm that, and can you see if your desktop file points at a real icon
[14:55] <seb128> mterry, no .desktop in the lens binary
[14:56] <mterry> seb128, it gets it from /usr/share/app-install/desktop
[14:56] <mterry> seb128, it searches the .desktop files in there and uses its icon
[14:56] <seb128> Icon=unity-lens-video
[14:57] <seb128> app-install-data: /usr/share/app-install/icons/unity-lens-video.png
[14:57] <seb128> mterry, is update-manager looking in that dir for icons?
[14:57] <mterry> seb128, just noticing that myself.  It seems not
[14:57] <mterry> that's a bug
[14:57] <seb128> mterry, opening it
[14:57] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[15:19] <sil2100> didrocks: for now just in the u-l-a, since HUD has a rather sufficient fuzzy searching functionality built-in
[15:20] <sil2100> didrocks: so the fuzzy parts of HUD were already enabled
[15:31] <cyphermox> mterry: perhaps we should revert the app lens merge that brings in libcolumbus
[15:32] <cyphermox> mterry: thoughts?
[15:32] <mterry> cyphermox, why?
[15:32] <cyphermox> (Satoris isn't ready with the hud libcolumbus pieces, it's having issues)
[15:32] <mterry> cyphermox, are the two connected?
[15:32] <sil2100> Problems with libcolumbus?
[15:33] <sil2100> Since if u-l-a stays libcolumbus-using, https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_enable_fuzzy_u_l_a/+merge/151533 can get merged in I think
[15:33] <cyphermox> argh
[15:34] <cyphermox> yeah, I guess it's probably fine
[15:37] <cyphermox> mterry: ignore me, I'm being confused by lack of context.
[15:37] <cyphermox> and passing on that lack on context....
[16:01] <jjed> I asked this on Friday, but at the risk of annoying, I'll try again. Is there any chance lp:unity will be abandoned or radically refactored in the near future?
[16:01] <bregma> jjed, there's no chance it will be abandoned:  Canonical has committed to support 12.04 for a good many years yet
[16:02] <mterry> jjed, there is lp:unity/phablet where all the cool new phablet work is being done though
[16:02] <bregma> and we're certainly not planning any refactoring, radical or not, in the near future
[16:05] <jjed> bregma, mterry: Thanks, smspillaz recently implied (with understandable irritation) that Canonical would be basically dropping the Nux version in favor of the phablet implementation
[16:05] <jjed> I wouldn't want to waste time on that branch were that the case
[16:09] <mterry> jjed, I don't know what the plans are there
[16:09] <jjed> ...........
[16:09] <mterry> But as bregma said, Nux unity is sticking around until at least 2017
[16:09] <mterry> even if Canonical did switch to phablet today
[16:09]  * bregma thinks 2017 sounds so far away
[16:51] <didrocks> mhr3: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity/generate-recommends-from-default-scope/+merge/151170 do you mind for the globale approve? we have the libunity in already
[16:51] <mhr3> wasn't sure what the processes on unity merges these days, don't at least two people have to ack it?
[16:52] <didrocks> mhr3: hum, not that I know of
[16:53] <didrocks> mhr3: and not what I'm seeing :)
[16:53] <mhr3> ok, approved
[16:53] <didrocks> thanks mhr3
[16:53] <didrocks> sil2100: please got https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_enable_fuzzy_u_l_a/+merge/151533 merged now that the feature is in :)
[17:10] <sil2100> didrocks: aye!
[17:29] <sil2100> didrocks: reviewed and approved by fginther \o/
[17:33] <didrocks> \o/
[17:33] <didrocks> thanks sil2100
[17:33] <didrocks> sil2100: tomorrow, I'll add it to the indicator tests we cherry-pick
[17:33] <didrocks> cyphermox: FYI ^
[17:35] <cyphermox> ack
[17:35] <cyphermox> brb
[17:36] <sil2100> Ok, let's see how well it works ;)
[17:41] <didrocks> kenvandine: robru: cyphermox: in case you didn't notice, our session tomorrow is at 6:15 UTC. I put it as one of the last one to have robru waken up enough :)
[17:41] <robru> didrocks, aha, thank you
[17:42] <robru> didrocks, where's the schedule?
[17:43] <didrocks> robru: yw ;) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/2013-03-05/display
[17:44] <kenvandine> cool
[17:45] <robru> wow, that's an action packed day... not sure how I'll choose which to attend ;-)
[17:54] <mterry> jjed, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec seems relevant
[17:54] <mterry> Or rather wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityNextSpec
[18:04] <jjed> > April 2014: Target of reaching full convergence! Unity Next QML on Mir for on all platforms...phone, tablet, pc, tv
[18:04] <jjed> Wow, that's heavy stuff. With
[18:24] <robru> mterry, strange, the wiki is giving me 503s


[00:06]  * micahg wishes everyone a good weekend
[01:32] <GridCube> :D ok now i have a desktop image
[17:15] <ochosi> Announcement: finally compiz-support in greybird (emerald theme pushed today)
[17:17] <GridCube> nice
[23:33] <GridCube> mmm where is the current desktop image?
[23:33] <GridCube> for testing?
[23:33] <GridCube> i can find alpha2 but its not zsyncking


[09:24] <Laifen> Bonjour  tous
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Laifen, what did Seveas say yesterday?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> @schedule syndey
[05:37] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydyey
[05:37] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[05:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 04 Oct 03:00: Community Council | 04 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Oct 06:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 06:00: Edubuntu | 13 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:37] <Hobbsee> ouch
[05:55] <ompaul> @schedule dublin
[05:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Dublin: 03 Oct 18:00: Community Council | 04 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 05 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Oct 21:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 21:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:55] <ompaul> too early arrrrr
[07:14] <Seveas> ompaul, yeah, I probably won't make it either


[20:25] <ajmitch> morning
[21:54] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:56] <ojwb> morning
[21:57]  * ojwb wonders how widely the quake last night was felt
[21:59] <ajmitch> apparantly across a fair bit of the country, but we missed out on the fun
[21:59] <ajmitch> so disappointing
[21:59] <snail> ojwb: click on the squarish orange icon on http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/3732830g.html and you'll get a google maps view of exactly that
[22:00] <ojwb> snail: well, of people who have told geonet...
[22:01] <ojwb> quite widely then
[22:01] <ajmitch> I think enough people know about geonet now to get a decent sample size
[22:08] <mwhudson> apparently the 5.7 under the malborough sounds was the most reported quake to date on geonet
[22:08] <mwhudson> i expect last night will pass that though
[22:09] <mwhudson> this one: http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/3620927g-shaking.html
[22:09] <mwhudson> currently still a little ahead of last nights
[22:58] <lifeless> http://www.geonet.org.nz/news/archives/2012/jul-4-2012-deep-7-shakes-central-new-zealand.html