[08:37] <alkisg> New PPAs have rsa4096 keys, my old ts.sch.gr one has rsa1024. I'm able to send new keys to my users; is there any way (or reason?!) to upgrade it to rsa4096?
[09:24] <cjwatson> alkisg: I'm afraid it's not currently possible.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1331914
[09:25] <alkisg> Thank you cjwatson, np, as long as it's still working without issues for the users... :)
[13:23] <gunix> hello
[13:24] <gunix> we got some new servers and we think our IPs are blocked and can not reach launchpad so we can't get packages
[13:26] <gunix> here is an IP from our servers: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:28] <cjwatson> gunix: Can you get an mtr from you to ppa.launchpad.ne?
[13:28] <cjwatson> ppa.launchpad.net, rather
[13:29] <cjwatson> gunix: Also probably better to raise a ticket with our sysadmins by emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- Launchpad staff don't deal with stuff like blocking IPs and we can't directly see what's blocked, so you're better off dealing with our sysadmins directly
[13:31] <gunix> cjwatson: that helps a lot, thank you! we can send an email
[13:31] <gunix> ppa.launchpad.ne does not resolve
[13:31] <gunix> .net?
[13:32] <cjwatson> gunix: 14:28 <cjwatson> ppa.launchpad.net, rather
[13:32] <cjwatson> was just a typo
[13:32] <gunix> oh yeah sorry
[13:33] <gunix> i didn't sleep much ^^
[13:34] <gunix> cjwatson: this is the MTR: https://bpa.st/LZMQ ... it looks like it is a datacenter issue
[13:35] <cjwatson> gunix: That looks like a routing loop somewhere in a network owned by Servers Australia, and nothing to do with us
[13:35] <cjwatson> (see "whois <IP_ADDRESS>")
[13:36] <cjwatson> gunix: Probably best reported to your upstream ISP in that case
[13:37] <gunix> cjwatson: yea, so i won't bother this with rt. we will just email the datacenter. thank you!
[13:38] <cjwatson> yw


[23:12] <newbuntu> to make it easier should I turn off password after they are set up?
[23:12] <Reepicheep> newbuntu: that may be the easiest way
[23:12] <newbuntu> then it wouldn't matter, right?
[23:12] <kblin> newbuntu: so put the existing public keys somewhere you can get at without password..eg. on a web server
[23:12] <newbuntu> ok, just checking
[23:12] <Reepicheep> get it set up then make it more secure ..
[23:12] <newbuntu> that's a good idea kblin
[23:13] <kblin> read-only, obviously
[23:13] <newbuntu> Reepicheep: I think I'll do that
[23:13] <newbuntu> right kblin"
[23:13] <newbuntu> i'm going to try to cyberDuck it
[23:13] <Reepicheep> that's true.. the public section of the key can be printed on a bus if you wish.. it doesn't need to be kept secret
[23:14] <kblin> but yeah, I tend to switch off password-based auth after copying over my key file
[23:14] <samlpet_> i just created a uec setup and my instances are hanging on the "waiting for meta-data" when they are starting.  all of the bug reports i have read say this should be fixed.  am I just messing something up?
[23:14] <Reepicheep> you can even email it to your self if you choose .. then put in on the server from a machine that is already set up
[23:14] <newbuntu> on cyberDuck: here's the error...
[23:14] <newbuntu> I/O Error: Connection failed
[23:14] <newbuntu> Invalid PEM structure, '-----BEGIN...' missing.
[23:15] <kblin> ugh
[23:15] <kblin> that tool seems to use a different key format then
[23:15] <kblin> anyway, bedtime for me, good luck with that duck
[23:16] <newbuntu> Reepicheep
[23:16] <newbuntu> thanks kblin
[23:16] <Reepicheep> let me see if I can get cyberduck working with standard keys.. I had to update cyberduck.. it's been awhile since i used it
[23:17] <newbuntu> cool, thanks
[23:18] <tharis20> qman__: I added vga=791 and some green squares appear on the screen and I can't do nothing...
[23:18] <newbuntu> even when I select the key from my ~/.ssh it doesn't work
[23:19] <Reepicheep> newbuntu: it works fine
[23:19] <Reepicheep> these are the settings I used
[23:20] <newbuntu> with id_rsa.pub
[23:21] <Reepicheep> Open Connection -> SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocal)  -- I set hostname & Port # under more options I checked "Use Public Key Authentication" then I selected .ssh/id_rsa
[23:22] <Reepicheep> use id_rsa on the client side.. that is the secret one
[23:22] <Reepicheep> id_rsa.pub is for the other machine to use
[23:22] <Reepicheep> and make sure it is SFTP and not FTPS
[23:23] <Reepicheep> FTPS is FTP over SSL not what your after
[23:23] <deizel> when i go into `screen`, i can't see bash prompts and error messages, only what i type and what programs output.. wtf?
[23:23] <deizel> (it was fine before i restarted)
[23:23] <newbuntu> uuughhhh I was using the .pub
[23:23] <newbuntu> thanks, Reepicheep, I assumed I used the same one
[23:23] <newbuntu> I'm in!!!!
[23:24] <Reepicheep> sweet.. you will figure it out.. that is how key pairs work
[23:25] <newbuntu> okay, last thing, well for now anyway....I'm using a 10.x.x.x IP to connect to the server, that's through my router, right?  Do I use the same when I'm at a remote location?
[23:25] <Reepicheep> the client uses the secret key.. while anyone you connect to uses the public key which doesn't need to be secured as long as you don't let anyone else have you secret key..
[23:25] <newbuntu> Reepicheep^
[23:25] <Reepicheep> newbuntu: that is a whole nother ball game..
[23:25] <newbuntu> well crap
[23:26] <Reepicheep> I assume that both your client and server have a 10.x.x.x address atm correct?
[23:26] <Reepicheep> and they are both in the same subnet
[23:26] <newbuntu> yes, they are both on the router
[23:26] <iarp> www.ipchicken.com
[23:26] <Reepicheep> so they can talk to each other without involving the router
[23:26] <iarp> will tell you your external addy
[23:26] <newbuntu> I have to be able connect remote machines though
[23:27] <Reepicheep> true.. you will need to use your external address.. as iarp has shown one way to get your external IP
[23:27] <newbuntu> I know my external, but how do get through the router
[23:27] <Reepicheep> that IP is the IP that your NAT router has on it's external interface
[23:27] <newbuntu> that's for a diff IRC
[23:28] <newbuntu> yes, I know that one
[23:28] <Reepicheep> you will need to make sure that you forward a port from the external interface to the internal server:port that ssh is on
[23:28] <newbuntu> can I just substitute it?  Not that easy I'm sure
[23:28] <Reepicheep> then connect to your external IP when you are not inside your NAT router
[23:29] <newbuntu> can I give it a name, instead of typing 67.xx.xxx.xxx
[23:29] <Reepicheep> is it a dynamic address?
[23:29] <iarp> www.no-ip.org you can make up host redirects(fre)
[23:29] <Reepicheep> if so you may need to look at some dynamic DNS client
[23:29] <newbuntu> yes it's dynamic
[23:30] <iarp> they also have a software download to keep host redirects updates to your proper ip adress
[23:31] <newbuntu> www.no-ip.org is free?
[23:31] <iarp> ya, but you'd need to use one of thier domains, so like i have on for vent.myvnc.com
[23:33] <Reepicheep> newbuntu: you can use something like zoneedit if you wish to use your own domain
[23:33] <Reepicheep> I also use dyndns.. although I believe it's not free anymore
[23:34] <Reepicheep> some routers even support some dynamic dns providers on the router itself
[23:34] <newbuntu> we have an account with dns made easy I think
[23:35] <Reepicheep> see if they have a dynamic client you can use..
[23:35] <Reepicheep> for instance I use ddclient
[23:36] <Reepicheep> but I don't see dns made easy as a supported provider for that
[23:36] <newbuntu> so I need a nameserver IP
[23:37] <newbuntu> I already have name servers assigned to one of my domains, is that what we are talking about?
[23:38] <Reepicheep> it's more difficult than that.. you need a nameserver that supports dynamic updating of the records from the client when the client realizes that it's external IP has changed
[23:38] <iarp> are you hosting the website on a server yourself or do you pay for someone to host
[23:39] <newbuntu> I'm trying to do this on my server that I've been setting up today
[23:39] <Reepicheep> not just any nameserver will work, that's where one of the dynamic dns providers come in
[23:40] <newbuntu> DNS made easy has Dynamic DNS, is that what I need?
[23:40] <newbuntu> I see it turned on in our settings
[23:40] <Reepicheep> do they provide or recommend a client to use?
[23:42] <newbuntu> I can create an A Record there, and give an IP
[23:43] <newbuntu> I'm looking at our main site, that is set up there, It's an A Record
[23:46] <Reepicheep> the problem with setting a static "A" record is that it doesn't change when your router changes IP addresses
[23:47] <Reepicheep> newbuntu: ^^
[23:47] <newbuntu> i see
[23:48] <newbuntu> so how can I get around hosting my domain with a 3rd party, can I do it on my newly created server?
[23:49] <iarp> buy the domain through a provider like no-ip.org and install eithor software which updates their records to your external ip address
[23:50] <deizel> when i go into `screen`, i can't see the bash prompt or any error messages, only what i type and what programs i run are outputting.. any suggestions?
[23:51] <iarp> deizel: what profile are you using for screen
[23:51] <Reepicheep> deizel: you may try moving your .screenrc file out of the way and start over with it .. if you haven't put much into it
[23:52] <Reepicheep> something like "mv ~/.screenrc ~/.screenrc.old
[23:53] <deizel> iarp: well thats a problem actually, i installed it long ago and it just worked .. so i can't remember
[23:53] <deizel> iarp: since it wasn't working just there, i removed screen and reinstalled it
[23:53] <iarp> deizel: just follow what Reepicheep said lol that's faster and easier
[23:53] <Reepicheep> move the .screen-profiles out of the way also
[23:54] <deizel> iarp: well, this time it installed some screen-profile stuff and i get stuff like: /usr/bin/select-screen-profile: 176: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
[23:54] <deizel> Reepicheep: will try
[23:57] <deizel> okay, there wasn't a .screenrc, and moving the .screen-profile directory didn't work either
[23:58] <Reepicheep> deizel: and it used to work?  did screen get updated or anything?
[23:59] <deizel> yeh it was working fine like an hour ago before i restarted my jaunty vps


[00:24] <mbergamo> It's not possible for me to install lubuntu by putting the ISO file on an external harddrive is it? It needs to be on a CD/DVD?
[00:25] <stlsaint> mbergamo: hrm, you can break off a small partition on that external and install lubuntu to it that way
[00:31] <mbergamo> stlsaint: I have a partition already made, I am just fresh out of CDs and impatient :)
[00:32] <stlsaint> install it to that partition then install to computer
[00:48] <smckillop> Hi all. Just installed Lubuntu for the first time. Did it in VMWare but my app windows look like they are about 200% size.
[00:49] <smckillop> I installed the vmware-tools package using the Synaptic package manager.
[00:50] <smckillop> my program bar and desktop look normal. Just the program windows are affected. Title bars look fine but the menus are huge
[09:38] <audio> Hi, all
[09:38] <audio> Is there a keyboard way of opening the LXDE "Start" menu?
[09:39] <bioterror> ctrl+esc
[09:40] <audio> bioterror: got it - thanks
[09:40] <bioterror> np
[09:40] <bioterror> in gnome alt+f1
[09:41] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: have you ever tried installing google earth on lubuntu? :D
[09:41] <bioterror> nope, should I
[09:41] <bioterror> ?
[09:41] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: nope.  :P
[09:43] <bioterror> got 37,7C fever in the morning
[09:43] <JoeMaverickSett> :O
[09:43] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: take care! :)
[09:43] <bioterror> I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
[09:44] <bioterror> http://www.laughness.com/snl-gotta-have-more-cowbell-original-skit.1126 if you havent seen
[09:45] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, successfully installed Google earth on my 11yrs old Lubuntu!  :D
[09:46] <audio> Next problem - I am using a flat screen TV as a monitor.  Works really well with Gnome Ubuntu.  But resolution is wrong in Lubuntu.  I can't start, see or open the start menu so can't change it.
[09:46] <audio> Any other way?
[09:46] <bioterror> audio, tv's resolution is wrong :D
[09:47] <bioterror> it's 1366x768 or something like that if it's just a "hd ready"
[09:47] <szczur> press Alt+F2 and run lxrandr
[09:47] <bioterror> damn, I hate when people uses tv's as a monitor with old hardware
[09:47] <bioterror> nowdays laptops has a 16:9 displays
[09:47]  * bioterror is a former viewsonic tech support ;)
[09:47] <szczur> ^^
[09:48] <audio> szczur: OK I'll give it a try.
[09:48] <head_victim> tv /= monitor :/
[09:48] <szczur> audio if nothing will appear, run lxterminal
[09:48] <szczur> and then sudo apt-get install lxrandr
[09:48] <bioterror> I think that tv resolution should be done with xorg.conf and virtual
[09:49] <szczur> grandr is nice too
[09:58] <audio> szczur: Alt+F2 worked fine - The whole screen is now displayed.  But the fonts on the menu etc are too small to read.  Any suggestion how to increase their size?
[09:59] <szczur> run lxterminal
[09:59] <szczur> run sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:00] <szczur> to Monitor Section add line
[10:00] <szczur>     Option         "DPI" "96x96"
[10:01] <szczur> if this file is empty (probably nonexistent)
[10:01] <szczur> please run (write down these commands since XServer will be shut down)
[10:01] <szczur> sudo service lxde stop
[10:01] <szczur> sudo X -configure
[10:02] <szczur> this will create xorg.conf.new file located at your home folder
[10:02] <szczur> now please do sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:03] <szczur> sudo service lxdm start
[10:03] <szczur> and do the sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf thingy once again
[10:04] <audio> szczur: OK, I'll give it a shot.
[10:04] <szczur> what graphic card are you using?
[10:12] <petsounds> hi all. i have problem installing lubuntu maverick, the installer had crashed during installation. what gives? thanks
[10:13] <audio> szczur: This is going to be really tricky.  The fonts are so small that they are illegible.  I'm having to guess that the commands are constructed correctly.  BTW its leafpad rather than gedit.
[10:14] <szczur> ahh, i'm using gedit sorry
[10:14] <szczur> yeah, you can use your favourite editor
[10:14] <szczur> even nano in text mode would do the trick
[10:14] <szczur> :)
[10:14] <audio> I'll try nano.
[10:17] <audio> szczur: even in nano the text is illegible (too small) not my eyesight. Any suggestion how to gain even a temporary increase in size?
[10:17] <szczur> hmmm :/
[10:18] <audio> perhaps I should try an alternative screen resolution?
[10:18] <szczur> by text mode you mean that one accessed from Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[10:19] <szczur> not the LXTerminal?
[10:19] <audio> no I meant lxterminal
[10:19] <audio> so now shut down the xserver?
[10:20] <szczur> ahh, so you have to change resolution or go to the textmode :)
[10:20] <szczur> is xorg.conf empty?
[10:20] <szczur> if it is you have to shut down XServer
[10:20] <szczur> and do the sudo -X -configure
[10:20] <audio> I think so but I had to guess that I entered the path to the file correctly.
[10:21] <szczur> so you have to shutdown XServer then
[10:22] <szczur> sudo service lxdm stop
[10:22] <szczur> and do sudo X -configure
[10:22] <audio> OK
[10:22] <szczur> as i said before :)
[10:27] <audio> szczur: CTL+ALT+F1 is a problem as the text mode is "out of range of the TV".  I think I will have to try to reset the PC screen resolution and try again.  Lots of fun...
[10:27] <szczur> :/
[10:27] <szczur> *sigh*
[10:27] <audio> It's a shame really as it works fine with other distros.
[10:37] <audio> szczur: I have found a work-around using the GUI only.
[10:38] <szczur> what is it?
[10:38] <audio> Preferences->Monitor Setting  set to Auto & Auto.
[10:39] <audio> Preferences-> Look and Feel select theme Clearlooks and det the default font to 36
[10:39] <audio> *set
[10:40] <audio> this give a usable interface.
[10:40] <audio> now I can check the xorg.conf
[10:40] <szczur> ok
[10:41] <audio> BTW it would not allow the font size to be changed with Lubuntu-default theme so I had to change it to Clearlooks.
[10:45] <audio> szczur: /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist.  If the xserver has to be shut-down to create one it will be a problem as ctl+alt+f1 does not give a usable cli.
[10:45] <szczur> yeah, i know :/
[10:46] <szczur> hmmm
[10:50] <kosaidpo1> audio: iguess if u dont have non-free drives then u wont have it
[10:50] <kosaidpo1> its only for non free drives cards i guess
[10:50] <audio> szczur: To answer your earlier question the graphic adaptor is an on-board chip (SIS 65xM650/740 PCI/AGP) in an Acer machine.  I would think there are plenty of them around still.
[10:50] <szczur> but it can be used to alter the maximum resolution and DPI used by XServer
[10:54] <audio> I know of one site with hundreds of these machines in daily service.
[10:58] <JoeMaverickSett> would this help? http://www.myokyawhtun.com/ubuntu-linux/how-to-change-custom-resolution-in-ubuntu-10.html
[10:59] <szczur> hmm, we can try pretty default xorg.conf > http://szczur.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[10:59] <szczur> but if it fails you're stuch with out of range :/
[10:59] <szczur> maybe i should delete the modules section
[10:59] <szczur> the rest should be safe
[11:00] <szczur> JoeMaverickSett, the problem is that his DPI is low so every font in the system is small
[11:00] <JoeMaverickSett> szczur: oh,i thought he was having a resolution problem.
[11:00] <szczur> the default one is 96x96. i had 72x72 and i could barely read what i see
[11:01] <szczur> he set default font to size of 36
[11:03] <szczur> now without modules section it should be fail-safe :)
[11:10] <audio> szczur: do you want me to try the xorg.conf you posted earlier?
[11:10] <szczur> do you have the posibility to use textmode later? (if something fails?)
[11:11] <szczur> it should be safe but no one can be sure :)
[11:11] <audio> The only option I have is to replace the TV with a normal PC monitor.
[11:13] <szczur> if it wouldn't be problematic you can try this xorg.conf and tell me the results :)
[11:13] <szczur> but wait for a moment
[11:13] <szczur> i'll check it once more
[11:13] <audio> OK
[11:15] <szczur> ok, i removed the files section since i don't have on ein my xorg.conf
[11:15] <szczur> ok
[11:15] <szczur> let's try this :)
[11:15] <szczur> http://szczur.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[11:17] <audio> do I simply create it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf (as root) and then log out and back in again? Or do you want any other steps?
[11:19] <szczur> just create xorg.conf as root
[11:19] <szczur> and then restart XServer
[11:19] <szczur> (log out and log in)
[11:19] <szczur> this shoudl do the trick
[11:32] <audio> szczur: created xorg.conf as directed, rebooted (just to be safe) logged in but no change to symptoms.  Question should the file be named xorg.conf or Xorg.conf?  Currently it is xorg.conf (lowercase x).
[11:33] <szczur> yeah, it should be like that /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:49] <NativeAngels> how do i access the shell in the alternate version
[12:00] <NativeAngels> hello
[16:10] <hblount> hi. i have a fujitsu lifebook c2330. its an old laptop. i booted with lubuntu usb, but the sd card reader doesnt work. anyone know how to fix this?
[16:38] <hblount> hi. i have an old fujitsu lifebook c2330 that i booted lubuntu with usb drive but the SD card reader doesnt work. anyone know how to fix this?
[16:42] <Timo_> hblount: I would just come around again when there are helpers around here. phillw, szczur bioterror, friTTe| and others are guys with great knowledge about (l)ubuntu, they are just not here right now!
[16:43] <hblount> ok thanks.when are they usually around?
[16:43] <friTTe|> im here now, but i dont have the answer im afraid
[16:44] <friTTe|> just woke up =)
[16:45] <Timo_> hi phillw ;hug
[16:45] <Timo_> ;hug
[16:45] <Timo_> oh wait this isn't offtopic :p
[16:47] <hblount> i think i will just use ubuntu...it seems to have more drivers for misc things on laptops
[16:49] <Timo_> hblount: ye, that's part of lubuntu, it's lightweight
[16:49] <Timo_> oh
[16:49] <Timo_> well goodbye then :p
[16:49] <JoeMaverickSett> Timo_: who are you talking to? :P
[16:52] <Timo_> JoeMaverickSett: I was talking to hblount who left ;P
[16:52] <Timo_> but now is back
[16:53] <JoeMaverickSett> Timo_: :D
[16:53] <hblount> Timo_: what did u say?
[16:56] <bioterror> hblount, lubuntu has the same drivers as ubuntu
[16:56] <bioterror> the only difference is the candy on top
[16:56] <bioterror> same stuff inside
[16:57] <hblount> hmm...idk i'm noob. maybe its not drivers but some stuff that worked when i had ubuntu installed dont work with lubuntu :P
[16:58] <bioterror> what are you missing then?
[17:02] <hblount> some of the non qwerty buttons and side scroll with touchpad (vertical scroll works) and SD card reader. they worked with ubuntu
[17:06] <bioterror> hmmm
[17:06] <bioterror> that sd card reader should work
[17:06] <bioterror> hblount, can you see it in lspci?
[17:08] <hblount> idk let me check. i didnt see it in disk utility or file manager
[17:09] <bioterror> you've got SD or CF card inserted?
[17:10] <bioterror> 02:01.2 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 18)
[17:10] <bioterror> Ive got
[17:12] <hblount> it sees it in lspci
[17:12] <hblount> no its not in rightr now
[17:12] <hblount> put it in and do lspci?
[17:12] <bioterror> no
[17:12] <bioterror> put it in
[17:12] <bioterror> and do 'dmesg'
[17:14] <hblount> ok.it shows a bunch of msgs about pcmcia
[17:14] <bioterror> do you get sdX
[17:15] <bioterror> so that it tells us which device it is
[17:15] <bioterror> becouse I've got a feeling...
[17:15] <bioterror> that this is a PCManFM related thing
[17:18] <hblount> i dont see any sdX...
[17:19] <hblount> u want to me to post results on that one site? forgot url
[17:19] <bioterror> hmm
[17:19] <bioterror> !pastebin
[17:29] <bioterror> daamn
[17:29] <bioterror> I didnt have a SD card inside my D80
[17:56] <hblount> damn sorry this comp crashed (its xp :P). if your still there, pastebin.com/DpZtRg8t
[18:05] <bioterror> hblount, sounds weird
[18:05] <bioterror> I'll watch this episode of this tv show and grab a SD card from downstairs
[18:07] <hblount> ok thanks
[18:15] <bioterror> hblount, http://ricecows.org/mmc.png
[18:23] <hblount> phillw: so maybe my sd card reader is physically damaged? btw, what is that display with cpu/ram/network stuff?
[18:24] <bioterror> conky
[18:24] <bioterror> hblount, could be something wrong with it. mine works without a problem
[18:25] <phillw> hblount: I have one added to my panel, if you click on a blank area of the menu bar, you will see options to "add to panel" they are listed in there.
[18:27] <hblount> ok. would it make a difference if i installed lubuntu instead of live boot from usb?
[18:27] <bioterror> nope
[18:34] <hblount> phillw: if i install lubuntu rather than live boot via usb, would functionality improve?
[18:34] <bioterror> performance would
[18:35] <bioterror> USB 2.0 is around 5MB/s max when reading
[18:35] <bioterror> and harddrive goes 20-40MB/s
[18:35] <phillw> +1
[18:40] <hblount> so its highly unlikely that the sd card reader will work if i install it huh
[18:41] <bioterror> indeed
[18:41] <phillw> hblount: lspci is seeing your card reader, just not the card.
[18:41] <bioterror> try another card?
[18:41] <hblount> oooh
[18:41] <hblount> damnit
[18:41] <bioterror> my desktop computer's CF reader is broken :D
[18:41] <bioterror> and I use CF cards with my Nikon D1x
[18:41] <bioterror> D80 uses SDHC ;)
[18:42] <bioterror> but I've got a usb card reader too
[18:42] <phillw> bioterror: you can get usb card readers, I had one that read 21 different types :D
[18:42] <bioterror> yeah
[18:42] <bioterror> that's 8 types
[18:42] <phillw> lol, you took the words out of my mouth :)
[18:42] <hblount> the card is pretty new and i've only used it one time for pics...
[18:43] <hblount> i'd rather this laptop be broken than the sd card :P
[18:46] <bioterror> hard to say
[18:46] <hblount> ok. i'll try it on my friends comp later. dont have another sd card or comp with reader :P
[18:47] <hblount> i have very important pics of my ex naked on there. need for revenge
[18:47] <bioterror> well, I hope you're going to share those pics with us too ;D
[18:48] <bioterror> not really
[18:48] <bioterror> that kind of revenge is horrible
[18:48] <bioterror> "what goes to internet, stays on internet"
[18:50] <hblount> forever
[19:33] <rigved> hi everyone
[19:33] <rigved> can anyone tell me how close is lubuntu to ubuntu in terms of the look and the applications available
[19:45] <phillw> rigved: there are some screen shots at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/
[19:45] <phillw> rigved: give me min to dig up the applications list.
[19:45] <rigved> phillw: ok
[19:46] <bioterror> you can download all the apps to lubuntu what vanilla ubuntu has
[19:47] <phillw> rigved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications has the list of our default apps., but as bioterror says you can add to it if you wish.
[19:51] <rigved> bioterror, phillw: thanx.
[19:51] <rigved> so does LXDE use GTK+ library?
[19:51] <rigved> for looks
[19:52] <phillw> yeas, but there could be changes afoot as ubuntu drops gnome.
[19:53] <rigved> phillw: ya i have heard that too.
[19:53] <phillw> rigved: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=251
[19:53] <phillw> Julien is the head of development for lubuntu.
[19:53] <bioterror> and ubuntu is going to drop X11 :D
[19:54]  * bioterror is really looking forward for the wayland
[19:56] <rigved> phillw: :)
[19:56] <gilir> phillw, no ! ubuntu doesn't drop gnome
[19:56] <gilir> only the shell
[19:57] <rigved> bioterror: i haven't heard that. cool
[19:57] <phillw> rigved: I'm just one of the harrassed documenters that tries to keep docs and wiki etc up to date. gilir = Julien, our head of development
[19:58] <rigved> gilir: hi. ubuntu is working on gnome3 i think.
[19:59] <gilir> rigved, yes, the integration of gnome3 have just began for natty
[20:06] <rigved> on the website it says that lubuntu 10.04 is not the LTS version. i want stability (even if i do not have the latest of packages). so, should i install 10.04 or 10.10?
[20:08] <phillw> rigved: "As support for i586 chipsets has been dropped from the kernel for the 10.10 series (These include VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode) you will need to use the 10.04 Release. The team will support Lubuntu 10.04 for five years (as if it were an LTS). "
[20:09] <rigved> phillw: ok. i have a compaq laptop which only supports the low-level graphics mode of ubuntu. so i want to switch to something lighter.
[20:10] <phillw> rigved: it is entirely upto you whether to install 10.04 or 10.10, but 10.04 will be around for a while - we promise :)
[20:12] <rigved> so if i install lubuntu-desktop from ubuntu software center, will it install 10.04 0r 10.10. after that how to i remove gnome completely?
[20:13] <rigved> i found this - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcelucid
[20:13] <rigved> these commands are supposed to remove gnome
[20:17] <phillw> rigved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
[20:19] <phillw> but that is for 10.10. if you want to remove 10.04 ubuntu, just ammend the end comment as per that post.
[20:20] <rigved> phillw: thanx
[20:22] <phillw> as long as you stick on the -no reccomends stuff at the end, it should be fine. I do have to be honest and say I've never tried it with 10.04
[20:23] <rigved> phillw: ok
[20:31] <rigved> ok. thanx. i'll try that tomorrow. bye