[12:00] <djpig> Kamion: you could probably add something about who's behind the project
[12:02] <yelo> greetings...
[12:03] <stvn> djpig: not sure if Kamion is still alive, might be better to /msg him this remarks
[12:03] <yelo> will ubuntu work on a K5
[12:03] <yelo> or, is it one of those i686-optimizied distros?
[12:03] <adnans__> grr
[12:03] <stvn> yelo: it works on a k6
[12:03] <yelo> actually, it's a pmmx
[12:03] <ijuz> yelo: it should work
[12:04] <stvn> yelo: how fast?
[12:04] <yelo> stvn:before the K6 came the K5...amd's counterpart to the pentium - I forgot which proc it was, since I just swapped it out
[12:04] <yelo> pmmx233mhz now
[12:04] <djpig> stvn: yeah, might make sense :)
[12:04] <stvn> yelo: should work, but it's quite slow to run gnome on it though
[12:04] <MCAlexP> Hey guys.  I just installed ubuntu on a G4 PPC.  Everything went fine upon installing.  But now the X-server won't start.  Any thoughts?
[12:05] <yelo> stvn: it's got 128mb of ram, so it's actually pretty sprighty for it's age...
[12:05] <talon906> will ubuntu install on a via eden board?
[12:05] <yelo> ran gnome 2.4 just fine w/slackware
[12:05] <stvn> MCAlexP: what videocard?
[12:05] <MCAlexP> it's an ATI Rage 128 MB
[12:06] <stvn> yelo: might work
[12:07] <stvn> yelo: the slowest computer I run debiangnoem or ubuntu on was a 400MHz and it works fast, so 233MHz might work
[12:07] <stvn> MCAlexP: check your X logs, but I don't have many ideas, rage cards should work IIRC
[12:08] <yelo> MCAlexP:X log is at /var/log/XFree86.0.log...just in case you were  wondering
[12:09] <MCAlexP> Let me ask you something: if the mouse is not recognized for whatever reason, would that alone justify the X-sever not starting?
[12:09] <yelo> yup
[12:09] <yelo> actually, nope
[12:09] <stvn> in debian yes
[12:09] <stvn> MCAlexP: but you can force X to start without mouse
[12:09] <MCAlexP> currently I have one of these usb mice that plug into the keyboard.
[12:09] <MCAlexP> How do I do that?
[12:09] <yelo> MCAlexP: it's just detected as a usb mouse
[12:10] <yelo> if you have it(unsure if debian does by default), use /dev/mice for mouse device
[12:11] <sukoshi> hi
[12:11] <stvn> MCAlexP: good question, I know it is halt on no pointer, but I don't know where, sorry
[12:12] <MCAlexP> stvn: you mean, you don't know how to start X without mouse support?
[12:13] <stvn> MCAlexP: indeed, but google will give the answer, i saw it many times, just never stored the information in my brain
[12:13] <sukoshi> i've just installed ubuntu, and i need to know how to add sources to dselect
[12:13] <stvn> MCAlexP: it's a debian thing, so searching for debian related problems will give you the answer
[12:14] <stvn> sukoshi: forget dselect
[12:14] <brettcar> sukoshi: You can use Synaptic to add a repository
[12:14] <yelo> MCAlexP: before you try anything else, check if you have a /dev/mice file, by doing "ls -lh /dev/mice", if you do, use that, and your mouse should work first time around
[12:14] <brettcar> sukoshi: Or just add the line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <sukoshi> what are the repositories?
[12:14] <stvn> sukoshi: use synaptic or aptitude but *forget* dselect
[12:14] <jordi> sukoshi: have a look at synaptic
[12:14] <brettcar> sukoshi: Depends, what do you need to add?
[12:14] <sukoshi> thanks for the advice, i'm a gentoo user, with a little knowledge on debian
[12:15] <stvn> sukoshi: in synaptic there is one greyed out (universe) which will give you almost everything
[12:15] <sukoshi> brettcar : mplayer, vlc...
[12:15] <sukoshi> xmms
[12:15] <MCAlexP> thanks guys.  By the way, I did try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:15] <sukoshi> etc...
[12:15] <stvn> sukoshi: check the ubuntu wiki, for RestrictedFormats and add multiverse
[12:16] <stvn> MCAlexP: good luck
[12:16] <MCAlexP> thanks
[12:16] <witigonen> Question regarding dvd playback... I've got mplayer installed, which works great except that the size of the movie doesn't refresh with the size of the screen (fullscreen it's still only a kind of small picture), Xine which works but skips and drops frames at a horrible rate, and Totem, which doesn't work at all.  And my ATI drivers still aren't working.
[12:16] <Pizbit> witigonen: Try with -noxv
[12:17] <stvn> sukoshi: most stuff is in universe, but mplayer, css and some other semi-legal stuff is in multiverse
[12:17] <swim> isthere anything other than rythym box that plays m3us ?
[12:17] <witigonen> Pizbit, try which if you don't mind me asking?
[12:17] <Pizbit> witigonen: For mplayer, if that doesn't work have a look at mplayer --vo help and then choose the video out
[12:17] <stvn> -vo
[12:18] <witigonen> Pizbit, mplayer/gmplayer doesn't know what -noxv does. I'll try -vo help.
[12:18] <Pizbit> -vo aa is fun:D:D
[12:18] <stvn> witigonen: use gmplayer and check if it uses Xv
[12:19] <stvn> Pizbit: :D
[12:19] <dablitz_> can i get some help mounting a usb stick
[12:19] <stvn> witigonen: mplayer -vo dga -framedrop <movie> will do the trick
[12:20] <stvn> witigonen: you just can't switch back to the desktop and you might run the risk that you have to watch the entire movie before you get controll of your computer
[12:20] <witigonen> stvn, couldn't initialize that, Pizbit, how can I chose the video out?
[12:20] <swim> ?
[12:20] <witigonen> I'm afraid this might be related to my not having proper working ATI drivers.
[12:20] <stvn> witigonen: initialise what?
[12:21] <witigonen> My available drivers for mplayer are: xv, x11, gl2, and xvidix
[12:22] <stvn> witigonen: hm my guess is that it is indeed due to lack of working ati drivers - not sure though
[12:22] <dablitz_> can i get some help mounting a usb stick, i have pictures on it i would like to get off of it
[12:23] <Bliksem> is there any way to find out the IP addresses of all current internet connections being used by applications?
[12:23] <skar> is there a deb for mplayer or xine?
[12:24] <meff> Bliksem: netstat, lsof, iptraf
[12:24] <Pizbit> witigonen: Try each of those ones:)
[12:25] <edd> mdz: cute idea on the win apps on the livecd. very nice.
[12:25] <stvn> skar: yes, check http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:25] <witigonen> Pizbit, X11 and gl2 are the only ones that work.  X11 is small and I think the display is weird, but I'm not positive.  gl2 is dropping frames like xine was (due to mesa, no doubt).
[12:26] <Pizbit> witigonen: And xv?
[12:26] <witigonen> Linux + AMD processor + nForce2 motherboard + ATI graphics card = no fun at all.
[12:26] <witigonen> Pizbit, couldn't initialize it.
[12:26] <Pizbit> Ah
[12:26] <mdz> edd: by "cute", I presume you mean "insidious" :-)
[12:26] <Pizbit> witigonen: It's mainly the ATI bit that's a pain
[12:26] <stvn> witigonen: tried to install totem-xine and watch the movie with that?
[12:26] <Pizbit> AMD + linux, no problems
[12:26] <edd> mdz: i meant smart and charming :)
[12:27] <stvn> witigonen: since on my amd-400 I can watch movies with that, so if you fail it must be the videocard driver
[12:27] <dablitz_> got to run in a bit, reall could use soe help, i have to pull these pic off this usb stick
[12:27] <dablitz_> how do i mount
[12:27] <mdz> edd: I hope it turns out that way, yes :-)
[12:27] <witigonen> stvn, already installed, doesn't play any dvd.  It just goes into the dvd drive as if it were a data cdrom.
[12:27] <stvn> witigonen: did you install the css lib?
[12:27] <edd> mdz: i liked it, so i sent it to all the o'reilly editors :)
[12:27] <mdz> edd: cool!
[12:27] <witigonen> stvn, yes.
[12:28] <Bohhh> hello
[12:28] <Bohhh> how is ubuntu different from debian? it's not clear from the homepage
[12:28] <mdz> edd: hopefully it should ensure that few of the pressed live CDs that go out become coasters
[12:28] <stvn> witigonen: hm, it did work on other distros?
[12:28] <wizze> is it advisable to use Ubuntu in a highly controlled environment such as High School class room.
[12:28] <Despair> Bohhh: more polished installer, aimed at desktop more than servers.
[12:28] <Bohhh> ok
[12:28] <stvn> Bohhh: it's an uptodate debian-stable every 6 month with a reduced set of apps and architectures
[12:28] <witigonen> stvn, yes.  It was a nightmare getting ATI to work on Fedora 2 (it just kind of amazingly worked all of a sudden after a reboot) but...
[12:29] <Bohhh> i hope it's stable
[12:29] <stvn> Bohhh: as long as you like gnome, it kicks ass
[12:30] <Phr0stByte> If it makes anyone feel safer, Ubuntu is being used in the test labs of the US MInt (Department of Treasury) - I know because I am involved in the testing.
[12:31] <stvn> witigonen: dunno really, was planning to buy an ati radeon, but hearing all the moaning and bitching I'm considering a nvidia, have no experience with anything above the rage
[12:31] <ijuz> Phr0stByte: how many possible installations?
[12:31] <witigonen> stvn, I love my Radeon, and when it works it's amazing, but... yeah.  So freaking difficult.
[12:31] <Phr0stByte> ijuz: possibly 50 or so
[12:32] <Phr0stByte> ijuz: not all systems of course
[12:32] <yelo> can I safely use noatime on the root partition?
[12:33] <defence22> any devs here?
[12:37] <Phr0stByte> defence22: of Ubuntu, you mean?
[12:37] <defence22> yea
[12:37] <azeem> defence22: just pose your question, and people might be able to help you
[12:37] <defence22> in the install process the installer is unable to mount the cdrom
[12:37] <defence22> ive had this prob in other distro
[12:37] <stvn> defence22: what kind of cd-drive?
[12:37] <defence22> but all it required was some kernel flag that i cant remember
[12:37] <defence22> its a older toshiba dvd
[12:37] <mair> I would like to get the modem working on my toshiba 2100CDT laptop.  It's a Lucent Microelectronics 56k WinModem that will work with the lt_modem drivers, I think.
[12:48] <Bliksem> hmm now to narrow down connections being used by a specific program?
[12:48] <dommi> how do I reset a password in my keyring
[12:50] <witigonen> So, to make sure that a module is loaded at boot or in a certain order, I just add it to /etc/modules, right?
[12:51] <stvn> normally yes
[12:53] <skar> hi, is ACPI suspend-to-ram(str) available in the latest kernel?
[12:54] <Kamion> stvn: s'ok, I read scrollback that mentions my name
[12:56] <Amroc> lamont, thank you for the dist
[12:56] <witigonen> brb
[12:56] <Amroc> disk
[12:56] <lamont> Amroc: cool.  Now see if it detects your wireless...
[12:56] <skar> stvn:thanks for the xine link, i got gxine up and running, btw is acpi str supported in linux?
[12:56] <Amroc> ok, one second
[12:56] <Amroc> i shall be back!
[12:57] <stvn> Kamion: ah ok, wasn't sure my scroll back stops at sometime ;)
[12:57] <stvn> skar: wouldn't know what acpi str is, so don't know
[12:58] <Kamion>   "fe-text" = { scrollback_hours = "72"; scrollback_lines = "1000"; };
[12:58] <Kamion> I usually check IRC at least once every three days or 1000 lines ... :-)
[12:59] <witigonen> I did it!  ATI drivers are working! WOO!
[12:59] <Pizbit> witigonen: You must be a god:)\
[12:59] <stvn> witigonen: how?
[12:59] <witigonen> With a beautiful 2957 fps with glxgears.
[12:59] <Pizbit> witigonen: I hate you:)
[01:00] <stvn> Kamion: heh, too much programing for me ;)
[01:00] <georgia> witigonen: x86 or ppc?
[01:00] <Pizbit> Kamion: Hrhr, I've set my scollback to 0, or infinite:)
[01:00] <Keknehv> Hi all
[01:00] <witigonen> It was simple, really...     But, I thought I had done that long ago... only it was loading something called nvidia-agp instead of nvidia_agp.  D'oh!
[01:01] <witigonen> georgia, x86.  AMD Athalon XP 3000+.
[01:01] <georgia> ah
[01:01] <witigonen> Let's see if Xine is any better.
[01:01] <stvn> witigonen: you needed to load nvidia drivers for an agp card??
[01:02] <Pizbit> stvn: nforce
[01:02] <witigonen> stvn, my motherboard has nVidia's nForce2 stuf.f
[01:02] <stvn> check
[01:02] <witigonen> Hm, Xine is still dropping lots and lots of frames... let's try gmplayer.
[01:02] <Pizbit> stvn: There is an nvagp module for some systems for their cards too, but they suggest agpgart or whatever it is though:)
[01:03] <witigonen> It looks like mplayer is playing it properly using direct rendering.
[01:03] <skar> stvn:is there any desktop calendar app, which lists the tasks done(or to be done) per day, while also showing the overall progress(like no.of tasks completed out of total tasks for that project) of a big project comprised of a no.of tasks?
[01:04] <stvn> skar: like evolution?
[01:04] <cardador> skar: evolution does that
[01:04] <cardador> skar: evolution is integrated with the panel calendar
[01:04] <sass> hlo! I have a problem installing Ubuntu from the most recent ISO. I have a HP cd writer and the installer asks for a driver after choosing my language and country...
[01:05] <Niterider> hello
[01:05] <skar> stvn:cardador:gr8, i've been looking for that for a long time, of course the first place i looked at was evolution-1.4, back then i guess it didn't had that feature :(
[01:05] <stvn> skar: evo 2 does have it
[01:06] <Niterider> quick question, i just added this multiverse to my apt sources list, what on it that i might need
[01:06] <skar> stvn:gr8, but do i need to install planner, or is it installed along with evo 2 itself?
[01:06] <stvn> Niterider: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:06] <jasedit|laptop> So can anyone tell me how to tell if psmouse is compiled as part of the kernel or as a module?
[01:06] <Pizbit> This is the thing I want most from gnome2.8 http://gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/figures/figure-clock+calendar.png
[01:07] <stvn> skar: planner is for other stuff, work hours registration, project planning
[01:07] <sass> normally I'd just download the damn driver and go on, but it seems funny that the installer and 2.6.8 kernel boot normally from the cd and then says that it needs a driver for the cd-rom
[01:07] <jasedit|laptop> Or at least how Ubuntu has it set up, since I'm running stock Ubuntu right now?
[01:08] <skar> stvn:btw, i started installing ubuntu at 2 PM (IST) and i'm finished at 4:30AM (IST) approx just 14 hours to install, customize, migrate everything from good ol' gentoo, where compiling kde 3.3 itself took some 2 days :))
[01:08] <Sanne> jasedit|laptop: I always look into /boot/config-<kernelversion>, at least on Debian (don't know if it's there in Ubuntu)
[01:08] <skar> stvn:ok, planner with evo 2 should be perfect
[01:08] <cardador> what iso should it be downloaded for an amd athlon?
[01:09] <Kamion> cardador: what kind of athlon?
[01:09] <cardador> amd athlon xp 2600 barthon
[01:10] <Kamion> cardador: i386
[01:10] <cardador> how come? isnt it amd?
[01:10] <sass> the amd version is for the new 64-bit processors
[01:10] <Kamion> amd*64*, not just amd
[01:10] <Kamion> unless you have an AMD Athlon 64, you want i386
[01:11] <skar> stvn:ok, its getting late, hitting the sack, good nite to ya all :)
[01:11] <cardador> Kamion: thank you, im helping a friend setting up ubuntu :)
[01:11] <stvn> night sk
[01:11] <stvn> gone
[01:11] <cardador> Kamion: will try 386 then
[01:11] <Niterider> thanks...found out what i needed to know
[01:14] <sass> so nobody knows what's the deal with scsi emulated cd-roms and the installer?
[01:15] <sass> ok, I'll just swap drives then.. problem solved kind-of
[01:17] <mair> I'm getting weird cancellation errors when sending files in Gaim under a Jabber.org account.  Whether they click "accept" or "cancel" I get the message "other user cancelled the transfer".
[01:18] <doleyb> I just tried to install ubuntu.  Couldn't get by the grub part.
[01:18] <doleyb> That's a horrible GUI, just a textfield with very little guidenace.
[01:18] <Kamion> it's not even supposed to appear
[01:18] <Kamion> were you using expert mode or something?
[01:18] <doleyb> I guess that meant there was already something very wrong.
[01:19] <doleyb> No, I just pushed enter through most of the prompts.
[01:19] <Kamion> can you confirm that you got the "Device for boot loader installation:" prompt?
[01:19] <Kamion>  The device can be specified using GRUB's "(hdn)" notation, or as a device
[01:19] <Kamion>  in /dev. For example, "(hd0)" will install GRUB to the master boot record
[01:19] <Kamion>  of your first hard drive, while "/dev/hda2" will install it to the second
[01:19] <Kamion>  partition of your first IDE drive.
[01:20] <doleyb> I tried several things: /dev/hda2, then /dev/scsi/lun0/disc0/part2...
[01:20] <doleyb> then /dev/sda2, /dev/sda, and finally hd0.
[01:20] <doleyb> My disk is sata.
[01:20] <Kamion> did you get any grub questions before that?
[01:21] <doleyb> After it copied the packages, it asked me where to install grub.  Only one question. Each time I put something in, it failed.
[01:21] <Kamion> doleyb: anything interesting on tty4 (alt-f4)?
[01:22] <doleyb> Sorry, didn't look there, and am rebooted now.
[01:22] <doleyb>  Is there a way I can try again, wtihout waiting for it to copy all packages again? (they should still be there from last time?)
[01:23] <Kamion> afraid not
[01:24] <Kamion> you can boot with archive-copier/copy=false to save some time
[01:24] <Kamion> (but you'll need to reinsert the CD in the second stage, then)
[01:24] <doleyb> Too complex for me.
[01:25] <doleyb> As a side note, the installer was also unable to work with my ethernet card.
[01:25] <doleyb> Debian can't use it either, but knoppix and fedora can.  And debian can after I recompile the kernel.
[01:25] <doleyb> That problem is what stopped me from installing debian-amd64 earlier, because it needs network to get packages.
[01:26] <Kamion> doleyb: what Ethernet card?
[01:27] <doleyb> An ne2k-pci.  It identifies fine, and ifconfig shows it, but it never really sends data.
[01:27] <meff> has anyone got bind9 to work? no matter what i try i get rndc errors..
[01:27] <Kamion> what do you do when recompiling the kernel that helps?
[01:27] <doleyb> Sarge prints an error message whenever you try to send data, woody and ubuntu it fails silently.
[01:28] <stvn> meff: bind9 as in the dns server?
[01:28] <doleyb> I don't know exactly.  I compile directly, instead of as module, but it doesn't make sense that would help.
[01:28] <meff> stvn: yup
[01:28] <stvn> meff: ah ok, nope debian still serving dns
[01:28] <meff> :/
[01:28] <Kamion> bizarre, ne2k-pci is normally rock-solid reliable
[01:29] <doleyb> Yes, I complained to debian guys a year ago when i first noticed this, but they couldn't figure it out
[01:29] <stvn> doleyb: modprobing it doesn't help?
[01:29] <doleyb> I have 5 separate ne2kpci cards, and 2 separate motherboards, and I've cycled thru all 10 combos, and they fail the same way.
[01:29] <meff> Oct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from <IP_ADDRESS>#34611: bad auth
[01:29] <meff> rndc-confgen doesnt help
[01:29] <Kamion> stvn: if ifconfig shows it it's going to be already loaded, hmm?
[01:30] <doleyb> The module installs successful, and ifconfig eth0 looks fine, but it simply doesn't work for sending packets.
[01:30] <stvn> Kamion: oh, hm, missed that bit ;)
[01:30] <doleyb> On sarge I get an error message continuosly: "ETH0 NETDEV WATCHDOG TIMED OUT"
[01:31] <doleyb> Yep.  I will be back in 60 minutes with the result of trying ubuntu-amd64 installery again.
[01:31] <doleyb> Is ther anything else I should write down from watching it?
[01:31] <doleyb> (besides altf4)
[01:31] <Kamion> for the grub thing, if you could copy /var/log/syslog somewhere that'd help
[01:32] <Kamion> that's what's displayed on alt-f4
[01:32] <doleyb> ok, cul8r
[01:32] <Kamion> (you could mount a floppy, mount a hard disk, nc, whatever works ...)
[01:32] <Kamion> I won't be around in 60 minutes, back tomorrow
[01:33] <witigonen> Whoah... xine's sound is acting really, really weird.
[01:33] <witigonen> It's kind of staticy.  Anybody have any idea?  mplayer does it fine, but very quietly (and in general I just prefer xine), totem won't play any DVDs.
[01:33] <stvn> meff: no interesting log entries?
[01:34] <meff> Oct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from <IP_ADDRESS>#34611: bad auth
[01:34] <meff> ^^ stvn
[01:34] <stvn> witigonen: totem wont? thats totem-xine?
[01:35] <stvn> meff: ubuntu has all ports closed, dunno where , when or how, but it might be something to do with that?
[01:35] <witigonen> stvn, the default totem, Totem MOvie Player.  totem-xine is installed, though.
[01:35] <meff> stvn: i was considering that..
[01:35] <meff> i cant find any information on it though
[01:35] <stvn> witigonen: there's a difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer, dunno wich one totem is
[01:36] <witigonen> Alright, how can I run totem-xine?
[01:36] <stvn> meff: I'm no ubuntu dev, so I dunno, talk to the devs
[01:36] <LinuxJones> meff, >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html#toc1
[01:37] <stvn> witigonen: if you install totem-xine, totem-gstreamer is removed, so totem should invoke totem-xine
[01:37] <meff> LinuxJones: i know hwo to setup bind.. i did this the same way on debian and it worked.. i dont know whats up w/ ubuntu
[01:37] <witigonen> stvn, okay.  How can I get it to play a DVD?  I go to play disk, it mounts it as a cdrom and starts browing it a la a data cd.
[01:38] <LinuxJones> meff, sorry thought it was like your 1st time :)
[01:38] <punkass> if something has been complied... and the original folder still exists, is there a way that i can few the prefixes that were used in ./configure
[01:39] <mirak_> aer they doing something to the repositories???
[01:39] <stvn> witigonen: there's a play disc entry in totem>>movie
[01:39] <mirak_> i havent changed anything.....i just did apt-get update...and it spit out some errors
[01:39] <meff> i guess i just pray that someone responds to my post on ubuntu-users :o
[01:39] <witigonen> stvn, that's what I choose.  And it just start browsing the CD>
[01:39] <LinuxJones> meff, maybe you could remove --purge the Ubuntu version and install it from the Debian repo.
[01:39] <stvn> ? hm
[01:40] <stvn> witigonen: dunno then, no dvd here to check, sorry
[01:40] <Telep> I've had the same problem as witigonen - no solution though to offer
[01:40] <smo> witigonen: The answer I got last night was to run "totem dvd:/" .. which appears to work
[01:40] <mdz> LinuxJones: ubuntu's bind9 is identical to debian's
[01:40] <Telep> oh right
[01:40] <smo> I'm still not sure how easiest to reach it from the gui however
[01:41] <witigonen> smo, so it does.
[01:41] <LinuxJones> mdz, he is having problems with it under Ubuntu but not Debian for some reason.
[01:41] <stvn> looks like a ubuntu problem
[01:41] <stvn> haven't heared complaind on debian sarge's totem and dvds
[01:42] <mirak_> i get this error from synaptic "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" can anyone help?
[01:42] <smo> stvn: I believe the "Play Disc" item is very new upstream, replacing the previous "Play VCD", "Play DVD", etc.  I doubt it's reached debian yet, as I believe they're freezing on gnome 2.6
[01:43] <meff> LinuxJones, mdz: http://rm-r.net/~meff/bindnowork.jpg
[01:43] <stvn> smo: could very well be, never noticed the play disc before
[01:43] <meff> sorry about jpg'ing it heh
[01:43] <mdz> meff: I believe you, but it works fine for me
[01:43] <stvn> any devs around?
[01:43] <mdz> are you sure you deleted everything in /etc/bind?
[01:44] <meff> mdz: yep moved it aside
[01:44] <mdz> mirak_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469
[01:44] <mdz> Setting up bind9 (9.2.4-1) ...
[01:44] <mdz> Adding group bind (114)...
[01:44] <mdz> Done.
[01:44] <mdz> Adding system user bind...
[01:44] <mdz> Adding new user bind (107) with group bind.
[01:44] <mdz> Not creating home directory.
[01:44] <mdz> Starting domain name service: named.
[01:44] <mirak_> mdz, thnx
[01:44] <mdz> mizar:[/tmp]
[01:44] <mdz> meff: fine here
[01:45] <meff> try restarting it
[01:45] <meff> thats where i get the error
[01:46] <meff> Oct 21 18:45:41 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from <IP_ADDRESS>#41551: bad auth
[01:46] <mdz> mizar:[~]  sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
[01:46] <mdz> Stopping domain name service: named.
[01:46] <mdz> Starting domain name service: named.
[01:46] <mdz> meff: no problems whatsoever
[01:46] <mdz> meff: has anyone other than you been able to reproduce it?
[01:46] <meff> now im really stumped.
[01:46] <meff> not that i know of
[01:47] <mdz> meff: what that error means is that the key file read by rndc was not the same as the key read by named
[01:47] <meff> i tried rndc-confgen -a
[01:47] <meff> and just manually copypasting
[01:48] <nitin> guys im having a hell of a time getting ubuntu to reconize my 9700 pro
[01:48] <nitin> it tells me im using a 9500 generic
[01:48] <nitin> how do i fix it
[01:48] <nitin> plzzzzzzz
[01:49] <treyh0> wtf is a 9700 pro
[01:49] <gotd0t> graphics card
[01:49] <nitin> lol..
[01:49] <gotd0t> ATI
[01:49] <nitin> ati 9700 pro
[01:49] <treyh0> heh
[01:50] <nitin> man this sucks
[01:50] <nitin> cant believe this cant be fixed
[01:50] <treyh0> use xf86cfg
[01:50] <nitin> piece of shit..
[01:50] <nitin> i did
[01:50] <gotd0t> whats going on?
[01:50] <nitin> its not that
[01:50] <meff> mdz other than rndc.key is any rndc info located anywhere else? using grep -r on /etc its the only file i see a rndc declaration
[01:50] <treyh0> or edit the file manually?
[01:50] <nitin> its wayy more problems
[01:50] <treyh0> XF86Config
[01:50] <nitin> dude treyh0 is it n o t a config issue
[01:50] <treyh0> ok
[01:50] <treyh0> hal/dbus?
[01:51] <nitin> driver issue
[01:51] <nitin> ati has shit drivers
[01:51] <gotd0t> can anybody help me? I'm using a wireless mouse/keyboard combo through a single USB port and I get mouse lag and sometimes skipping
[01:51] <nitin> gotd0t, did u restart ubuntu after u plugged it in?
[01:51] <treyh0> gotd0t: i got that too when i used a wireless setup, but i just took it back to the store
[01:51] <gotd0t> nitin: oh I've been using it all along
[01:51] <nitin> gotd0t, it sometimes gets way better after u restart
[01:51] <nitin> gotd0t, k
[01:52] <treyh0> like typing through dialup
[01:52] <xskoulax> lol @ treyh0
[01:52] <nikanj> Hello. Does anyone know why Ubuntu fails to install on amd64?
[01:52] <gotd0t> nitin: yea... someone told me its a protocol error... but other than ImPS/2 and auto in the XF86Config it doesnt work
[01:52] <nikanj> "Unable to install the selected kernel" and I never got to select the kernel ;)
[01:53] <gotd0t> did you download the one for amd's?
[01:53] <xskoulax> nikanj, you downloaded the right iso right?
[01:53] <treyh0> heh
[01:53] <nikanj> xskoulax: Yes, and the cd is ok (did the media-check on the custom-expert menu)
[01:54] <xskoulax> nikanj: i'm at a loss then, i'm running x86 boxen here
[01:55] <mdz> meff: rndc.key should be it
[01:55] <gotd0t> So does anybody know how I can fix the skipping and lag
[01:55] <nikanj> "Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Read error - read (5 Inuput/output error)
[01:56] <gotd0t> It's def a software issues as I've used this same set in windows without any problems
[01:56] <nikanj> Can't believe a bug this critical got into the release
[01:56] <nikanj> gotd0t: Or you have broken hardware but the windows driver works around it
[01:56] <gotd0t> nikanj: that seems quite farfetched
[01:57] <xskoulax> nikanj: i don't think its a bug, other people on this chan are using amd64 installs
[01:57] <gotd0t> Do you think it would make a difference if I switched em both to PS/2
[01:57] <gotd0t> (Of course that would require me to find a USB-PS/2 adapter
[01:58] <xskoulax> nikanj: i would guess its something specific to your setup
[01:58] <nikanj> gotd0t: It's actually pretty common, for example my laptop has so buggy bios that I must disable acpi completely to install linux
[01:58] <gotd0t> my kid sister as an obession with green things... and it just so happens that my PS/2 adapter was green
[01:59] <gotd0t> so im assuming thats where mine went
[01:59] <nikanj> xskoulax: Hm, I wonder what it could be. The media is fine and the installer gets all the other files ok
[01:59] <jgeorgeson> anyone using k3b?
[01:59] <xskoulax> nikanj: i wish i could remember the nicks of the people who were talking about amd64 installs yesterday so i could get their attention
[02:00] <xskoulax> they would be in a better position to help, than a n00b running with a x86 boxen ;)
[02:00] <stvn> night
[02:00] <adrianm> jgeorgeson: a little, but not on ubuntu (yet).  What's up?
[02:00] <xskoulax> gnight stvn
[02:01] <jgeorgeson> adrianm: it doesn't see my burner when running with root privs. I've run k3bsetup as root to specify a group which I am a member of, no success
[02:03] <adrianm> jgeorgeson: does anything else see your burner?  During bootup, do you see any messages about it?
[02:03] <nikanj> cdrecord --scanbus?
[02:04] <jgeorgeson> adrianm: the nautilus burn:// interface lists it in the Write CD dialog
[02:05] <gotd0t> so nobody has any clue about my mouse lag?
[02:05] <FourdSwissCheese> Hi all.  Linux newbie here.  Having trouble installing.  I get through the first stage of the install fine, but when I reboot, it gets stuck on "setting the system clock using Hardware clock as reference".  Suggestions?
[02:06] <gotd0t> maybe you don't have a hardware clock
[02:06] <gotd0t> haha
[02:07] <gotd0t> ;-)
[02:07] <Dekkard> cmos battery?
[02:07] <jgeorgeson> nikanj: "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." is the only thing that gets my attention
[02:07] <gotd0t> thats what i was thinkin
[02:07] <gotd0t> the battery might be dead
[02:07] <FourdSwissCheese> Dekkard: clock works fine in windows
[02:07] <FourdSwissCheese> and knoppix
[02:07] <Dekkard> sorry..just an idea
[02:07] <gotd0t> well windows already has a clock
[02:08] <gotd0t> i mean
[02:08] <Ramsed> Hi, is there some place (mailing-list,webpage) where the default choice of packages was (or still is) discussed ? (why both thunderbird and evolution, xmms instead of rhythmbox etc.) ?
[02:08] <gotd0t> its already configured...
[02:08] <gotd0t> and fourd, windows periodically updates the clock from some internet site
[02:08] <FourdSwissCheese> ahh, ok.  didn't know that
[02:09] <Despair> I found it kind of odd that ubuntu installs twisted framework by default
[02:09] <gotd0t> yea... so i would just try replacing the battery
[02:09] <Telep> hmm, running a dvd with totem-xine makes the cpu scream... is there some way to enable hardware acceleration or something?
[02:10] <Telep> I also don't seem to be getting any sound :/
[02:10] <xskoulax> FourdSwissCheese: try booting your knoppix cd, i would imagine you would have similar problems there if it is indeed your cmos battery
[02:10] <Telep> for dvd's, that is
[02:10] <FourdSwissCheese> xskoulax"  knoppix works fine.  clock is accurate
[02:11] <gotd0t> hmm
[02:11] <jgeorgeson> Telep: check the sound levels with the Volume Control
[02:11] <gotd0t> thats odd then
[02:11] <xskoulax> when did you boot knoppix last?
[02:11] <FourdSwissCheese> today
[02:11] <Telep> jgeorgeson: which one of those effects xine? sound works fine otherwise
[02:11] <xskoulax> unless your battery died between boots, i imagine the battery is fine then
[02:12] <witigonen> So strange!I keep getting the erorr in xine that my system is too slow and it's throwing out too many frames.  The dvd is jumping.
[02:12] <FourdSwissCheese> well, I'll try knoppix again...
[02:13] <gotd0t> BTW, how do you set up time synch in ubuntu
[02:13] <Telep> witigonen: have you tried mplayer? Do dvd's run fine with that?
[02:13] <jgeorgeson> Telep: I would guess CD
[02:13] <Keknehv> Hi, I'm having trouble with Warty i386 RC compiled on 10/12/04
[02:14] <Keknehv> When I attempt to boot, it gets to a black screen eventually
[02:14] <witigonen> Telep, they do, but the volume is too quiet for my tastes.
[02:14] <Telep> witigonen: ok
[02:14] <witigonen> Telep, Totem has a strange line that keeps flickering on the bottom, that's why I'm not using it and using xine.
[02:15] <Keknehv> During install, it said it couldn't load something along the lines of an Intel Graphics Bridge
[02:15] <Keknehv> How can I fix this?
[02:15] <Keknehv> (I'm currently running a live cd of ubuntu)
[02:16] <jgeorgeson> witigonen: if you install totem-xine it will use the xine backend with the totem UI
[02:16] <Keknehv> Hello?
[02:16] <witigonen> Telep, actually, now that I'm looking at it, totem is skipping the same amount- which would explain what jgeorgeson just said, I guess :)
[02:16] <jgeorgeson> Keknehv: sounds like it couldn't find a driver for some of you motherboard chipsets
[02:17] <jgeorgeson> witigonen: totem-xine isn't installed by default, and i think you might have to enable universe, at least, to get it
[02:17] <Keknehv> I'm running a PCI nvidia card...
[02:17] <witigonen> jgeorgeson, not only have I enabled universe, but I also installed totem-xine :)
[02:17] <Keknehv> should I just wait to get the release from a friend?
[02:18] <jgeorgeson> Keknehv: the Intel Graphics Bridge is a chip on your motherboard. do you know what chipset your motherboard uses?
[02:19] <Keknehv> I think it's i810
[02:19] <jgeorgeson> do you have a dell laptop?
[02:19] <Keknehv> It's an old hp pavilion XE783 (~700mhz, 80gig hard drive)
[02:19] <Keknehv> No...
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> you said you're currently running off the live d?
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> cd?
[02:20] <Keknehv> Yes
[02:20] <Keknehv> And this one works
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> and you have full resolution capabilities?
[02:20] <Keknehv> But this is a final release, I installed it off a release candidate
[02:20] <Keknehv> Yes
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> try installing the final then
[02:20] <Keknehv> OpenGl works, although not as fast as when the right driver is loaded.
[02:21] <Keknehv> Ok
[02:21] <Keknehv> I guess I'll just have to wait for that cd... anyways, thanks!
[02:21] <jgeorgeson> my laptop has an i830, so i know that it is supported. but i installed with an RC a while back
[02:22] <Keknehv> What the heck?
[02:22] <jgeorgeson> woah, i'm guessing zelazny just went down
[02:22] <Keknehv> That was... a couple people...
[02:22] <Keknehv> zelazny?
[02:22] <jgeorgeson> anyone more suggestions for k3b not seeing the cdrw?
[02:24] <Keknehv> lol
[02:24] <gotd0t> anybody have any ideas about my mouse skipping
[02:24] <Keknehv> check the mouseball
[02:24] <Keknehv> Mine had a weird rubber circle on it, and it skipped...
[02:24] <gotd0t> im appalled
[02:25] <gotd0t> MOUSEBALL?!?!
[02:25] <gotd0t> heh
[02:26] <gotd0t> sorry... i haven't used a mouse with a ball in it in a LONG time
[02:26] <RageMax> can someone point me to where I can get a xine package?
[02:27] <clochejm> does anyone know if there are any issues with DNS resolution in Ubuntu?
[02:27] <gotd0t> someone was talking about xine a few minutes ago
[02:27] <flash^> gotd0t, what do you need?
[02:27] <Keknehv> I would use an optical but hey, this is what I have.
[02:28] <ctalkep> hi to all
[02:28] <gotd0t> flash^: well I have a wireless mouse/keyboard combo through one USB port, and the mouse teds to lag and skip
[02:28] <RageMax> the xine libraries are in the repository, but not xine itself
[02:28] <tseng> "xine itself" ?
[02:28] <flash^> gotd0t, you got logitech stuff? MX Series?
[02:28] <ctalkep> i have a stupid question to ask
[02:28] <tseng> xine is a library.
[02:28] <jgeorgeson> RageMax: you mean xineui?
[02:28] <flash^> ctalkep, ask
[02:28] <clochejm> anyone with internet problems?
[02:28] <ctalkep> now
[02:29] <gotd0t> flash^: no... microsoft elite or something like that
[02:29] <ctalkep> i just installed ubuntu and i am seriously impressed
[02:29] <flash^> clochejm, they are easy to solve.. what connection do you have?
[02:29] <clochejm> flash^, I have a cable connection
[02:29] <ctalkep> and of course i am a total newbie
[02:29] <clochejm> flash^, through Road Runner
[02:29] <flash^> gotd0t, does the mouse work fine on windows?
[02:29] <clochejm> flash^, business class
[02:29] <ctalkep> newbie to debian style it is
[02:29] <ctalkep> so
[02:29] <flash^> flash^, is it dialup, with username&password or dhcp or what?
[02:29] <flash^> -_-
[02:30] <gotd0t> flash^, yea... i used to use the logitecs but i went through two sets and they both broke on me
[02:30] <Keknehv> d-d-id you say... MICROSCOTCH?
[02:30] <Keknehv> lol
[02:30] <ctalkep> how do i find what packages i can install through apt-get?
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, is it when you boot your pc the connection starts?
[02:30] <RageMax> actually totem-xine would be ideal, but I can't find it
[02:30] <flash^> ctalkep, apt-cache search "nameofthepackageyouneed"
[02:30] <clochejm> flash^, it's DHCP... on a cable modem
[02:30] <clochejm> it's always on
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, ok
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, it's easy
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, I have the same
[02:30] <clochejm> flash^, nice
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> RageMax: enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list, or in synaptic if you prefer GUI
[02:31] <ctalkep> i meant like if i did not know what packages there are to be installed
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: use synaptic
[02:31] <ctalkep> like a way to see what i can get
[02:31] <gotd0t> flash^, my mouse works fine in windows... no lag or anything
[02:31] <clochejm> flash^, done
[02:31] <flash^> clochejm, add these two lines: "auto eth0 " then press enter and add "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[02:31] <ctalkep> is it included in the distro or do i have to google for it?
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> gotd0t: have you adjusted the speed/sensitivity in Desktop Preferences?
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: should be
[02:31] <flash^> clochejm, just like the auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, then save and exit & reboot
[02:32] <jgeorgeson> Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[02:32] <clochejm> flash^, it's already like that
[02:32] <gotd0t> jgeorg, nah... its not that... because it randomly jumps to the top or bottom fo the screens
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, so, what's the problem.. ?
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, I guess it is your network card
[02:32] <clochejm> flash^, I think it has to be DNS problems
[02:32] <RageMax> jgeorgeson: thanks
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, no dns problems on dhcp
[02:32] <gotd0t> clochejm: or your modem...
[02:32] <clochejm> flash^, once a download gets going...it's 400K
[02:33] <jgeorgeson> RageMax: np
[02:33] <flash^> clochejm, so the connection actually DOES work ?
[02:33] <clochejm> flash^, but it takes a long time for it to find a site
[02:33] <flash^> flash^, oh, ok.. that's a problem of the provider
[02:33] <gotd0t> clochejm: is it a particular site... or every site?
[02:33] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[02:33] <clochejm> flash^, yes...I'm on it right now... but it takes a literal 2 minutes from when I hit enter
[02:33] <flash^> flash^, you get the same dns on windows or linux
[02:33] <flash^> oh man
[02:34] <flash^> clochejm, just look if you are maybe updating something
[02:34] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I already have it open... it has the same dns entries as windows does (windows works fine)
[02:34] <flash^> clochejm, or some daemon interacting with the outside..
[02:34] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, it's very strange behavior
[02:35] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: so if you run 'host www.yahoo.dns' does it take longer to get a result than 'nslookup www.yahoo.com' in windows?
[02:35] <clochejm> I'll try running the host command...I'd have to restart to get to windows...
[02:35] <xyz359> Urm, does anyone here use Totem-Xine?
[02:35] <jgeorgeson> xyz359: yes
[02:35] <flash`> xyz359, I use both
[02:36] <xyz359> I get this irritating blue blinking effect on the bottom of the video window whenever I make it too large.
[02:36] <ctalkep> 10x a lot guys
[02:36] <ctalkep> it works
[02:36] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: np
[02:36] <flash\\study> jgeorgeson, are you on the ubuntu devel team ?
[02:36] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, it actually returns the address pretty quickly
[02:36] <xyz359> At least, with ffmpeg.
[02:36] <jgeorgeson> flash\\study: nope
[02:37] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, a site takes 20 times to start loading than it took to return the ips
[02:37] <ctalkep> may i ask another one?
[02:37] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: so dns seems to be working fine. what browser are you using?
[02:37] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: of course
[02:37] <flash\\study> ctalkep, yep
[02:37] <clochejm> firefox
[02:37] <ctalkep> i have two ntfs partitions
[02:37] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: hm ...
[02:37] <ctalkep> on SATA drives
[02:37] <ctalkep> how do i get to mount them on boot time?
[02:37] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I"m trying in mozilla... same result
[02:38] <gotd0t> ctalkep you have to edit /etc/fstab
[02:38] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I hit enter on www.google.com 20 seconds ago and it's still staying "resolving..."
[02:38] <xyz359> jgeorgeson, do you get anything like that with videos?
[02:38] <sgtchubby> hey
[02:38] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, is there another layer?
[02:38] <taviguy> can anyone help me getting my radeon mobility 9600 working under ubuntu
[02:39] <malaptop> question - i may be having to rip out a hard drive with ubuntu installed and shift it over to another intel box. is there anything i can do to have ubuntu configure itself for the new hardware, other than reinstall?
[02:39] <jgeorgeson> xyz359: i have seen it from time to time with various files and various players
[02:39] <meff> hiya, well.. i got bind running by rebooting, though now gnome won't start.. sigh.
[02:39] <xyz359> jgeorgeson, is there anyway to resolve it?
[02:40] <bern`> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to run X, I get a fatal signal error caught signal 11
[02:40] <calc> malaptop: afaik it should detect everything except maybe the x config, which can be done via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:40] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: not that i'm a aware of. do you have a proxy configured in firefox? do you only get this lag in firefox?
[02:40] <calc> bern`: which arch?
[02:40] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, it's the same in mozilla
[02:40] <jgeorgeson> xyz359: never tried, i just resize to get rid of it or ignore it. it never looks more than a pixel tall
[02:40] <bern`> calc: amd64
[02:41] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: well, they both use the gecko engine, so that might not be a good comparison
[02:41] <calc> bern`: the loader is broken, use xserver-xfree86-dbg
[02:41] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, that's what I was thinking...
[02:41] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: what about lynx/elinks/links, ftp, etc
[02:41] <calc> bern`: will likely be fixed in hoary, since it should be using xorg by then
[02:41] <meff> i just recently install bind.. my computer is no longer 'localhost' but now 'ghreen' because of my bind9 tables, but now it seems gnome won't start, and im wondering if installing bind caused this.. is there any way i can diagnose this?
[02:41] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I'll give links a try quiclk
[02:41] <bern`> calc: how do I go about using dbg instead of the norm
[02:41] <calc> bern`: apt-get install xserver-xfree86-dbg
[02:42] <sgtchubby> Can someone help me with a minor problem? I can mount my windows-partition (XP, FAT32) but Nautilus doesn't reckognize the files, and the filesystem(?) seems locked
[02:42] <bern`> calc: just tried that and it didn't work
[02:42] <calc> bern`: have to be root or sudo to install it
[02:42] <meff> I get a little window that says "gnome lasted less than 10 seconds" ... the log doesnt have anything except a warning in it..
[02:42] <bern`> calc: and do I need to remove a package first before I get it on
[02:42] <bern`> calc: yes I'm root already
[02:42] <calc> bern`: no need to remove anything
[02:43] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, well..the package manager takes a while to start as well
[02:43] <mystic> how the heck to I set up CUPS
[02:43] <calc> bern`: it couldn't find the package or what?
[02:43] <mystic> i go to localhost:631 and it asks for the root password... too mad ubuntu is wierd about passwords and it doesn't work
[02:43] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, elinks took a while "looking up host"
[02:43] <bern`> calc: ok it's installing now
[02:44] <bern`> calc: ok that worked
[02:44] <calc> ok
[02:44] <LinuxJones> meff, I had the same problem. you have to remove the .ICEauthority file and re-create in root console then chown username:username .ICEauthority
[02:44] <mystic> how the heck do you print in ubuntu
[02:45] <bern`> calc: you're a godsent I've had people giving me the run around all day
[02:45] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, firefox is set to direct connection
[02:45] <mystic> retarded root system
[02:45] <LinuxJones> mystic, Computer >> system config >> printing
[02:45] <calc> bern`: ran into that same exact problem with ubuntu on my amd64 laptop :)
[02:45] <xskoulax> mystic: have you came here to complain or seek help?
[02:45] <brettcar> mystic: Are you having a problem with CUPS, or the graphical utility used to configure it?
[02:46] <mystic> ok
[02:46] <mystic> I am accustmed to going to localhost:631
[02:46] <mystic> however
[02:46] <mystic> ubuntu rejects my root login
[02:46] <brettcar> mystic: You have a root login?
[02:46] <mystic> exactly
[02:46] <mystic> i don't
[02:46] <brettcar> Did you explicitly set a root password?
[02:46] <mystic> yes
[02:46] <mystic> passwd
[02:46] <gotd0t-away> sgtchubby: you're having trouble mounting an NTFS partition?
[02:46] <brettcar> So then you do have a root login?
[02:46] <mystic> yes
[02:46] <bern`> calc: well thank you very very much
[02:47] <mystic> it's ok i'll use the gnome wizard
[02:47] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: hm, i'm kinda stumped
[02:47] <bern`> calc: now I have to go about getting my wireless setup
[02:47] <brettcar> mystic: The cups log file in /var/log, whats it say?
[02:47] <calc> bern`: which chipset is it?
[02:47] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, yeah...me too...this is very strange... I've never had problems with other distros
[02:47] <jgeorgeson> bern`: Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[02:48] <mystic> brettcar: it says that PAM went to hell
[02:48] <mystic> whatever I'll just use gnome-cups-manager
[02:48] <brettcar> mystic: Okay, I don't have my Ubuntu machine running right now so I can't check. I don't run with a root user myself.
[02:48] <bern`> calc: Its an onboard G card I'm bout to go find out what chipset it is
[02:48] <mystic> meh it's alright
[02:48] <mystic> im ok now
[02:48] <brettcar> mystic: Can you access CUPS with an admin account?
[02:48] <mystic> no
[02:48] <brettcar> Hm...
[02:48] <calc> bern`: probably a broadshit
[02:48] <brettcar> File a bug.
[02:49] <calc> bern`: lspci should tell you
[02:49] <bern`> calc: wouldn't be surprised, but I got an orinoco gold b card just incase
[02:49] <brettcar> The ACL's should allow it one way or another I feel.
[02:49] <brettcar> mystic: If you could include a patch changing the default cups config file to include the appropriate group or however you might accomplish it, thats great too.
[02:49] <calc> bern`: mine is broadcom as well, so in a couple weeks i will be replacing it with an intel 2915abg minipci card
[02:50] <doleyb> Kamion: are you still here?
[02:51] <angad> Hey everyone.  I have a vfat partition mounted under /windows but I can only access it as root.  How can I change that so that normal users can access it?
[02:51] <gotd0t> sgtchubby: you there?
[02:51] <brettcar> angad: Did you set it up in /etc/fstab at all?
[02:51] <bern`> calc: well I'm reinstalling ubuntu now, the partition was littered with all the crap I tried to do to get it working, so I'm not I'm installing with factory settings
[02:51] <angad> No, haven't even looked at it.  What should I do?
[02:51] <mystic> brettcar: I think it's working now
[02:51] <meff> ok got gnome to work again.. had to remove .ICEauthority in my homedir cause my hostname changed.. maybe this should be faq'd :o
[02:52] <brettcar> angad: Take a look at the format of /etc/fstab and add the appropriate line for your mount point
[02:52] <mystic> the whole idea of not using a root account seems convulted
[02:52] <doleyb> angad: as root, edit /etc/fstab and add a line for that drive
[02:52] <brettcar> angad: In the options section, just add 'user'
[02:52] <brettcar> mystic: Cool
[02:52] <|trey|> mystic: ? Apple seems to think its a good idea too  :/
[02:52] <angad> Great.  Thanks.  Will it just be changed when I reboot or can I just unmount and remount the partition?
[02:53] <doleyb> angad: umount it as root, then mount it as someone else
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: You can unmount and remount
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: In fact you can just do `mount /mount/point/directory`
[02:53] <|trey|> mystic: ps, apparently convulted isn't a word  :/
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: You won't have to type it all out
[02:53] <angad> Great.  Thanks.
[02:53] <mystic> haha my mistake
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: If you add the 'auto' option, it'll automatically mount on boot up too
[02:53] <angad> Cool.  thanks.
[02:53] <gotd0t> brett, that isnt really neccesary...
[02:54] <brettcar> but isn't it? ;P
[02:54] <gotd0t> i mean it doesnt hurt... but i dont believe its needed
[02:55] <brettcar> Its not needed, but helpful
[02:55] <gotd0t> Well, I dont have auto in there and it still mounts on reboot
[02:56] <brettcar> Hm. Interesting then.
[02:58] <gotd0t> ;-)
[02:58] <cef_work> anyone set up ubuntu on a dual opteron? any caveats?
[02:59] <FourdSwissCheese> gotd0t:  Clock still works in knoppix.  Definately not a CMOS problem.
[02:59] <meff> mdz: reboot fixed it.. perhaps a temporary file problem? ah well.. thanks for the testing on your side
[02:59] <gotd0t> fourd: thats interesting... no clue then
[03:00] <FourdSwissCheese> ahh well
[03:03] <Golo> Hi, i was wondering can i add a new user with the same sudo powers as the first user?
[03:04] <brettcar> Golo: Yes, if you are comfortable editing the text file
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda says that "The next meeting of the Community Council will take place on Tuesday 12 October 2004, at 16:00 UTC, in the #ubuntu-meeting channel on irc.freenode.net."  This is old news, should it be archived somewhere?
[03:04] <brettcar> Golo: Just type `sudo visudo` and see if you can figure it out.
[03:04] <RuffianSoldier> where do i untar these enlightenment themes to?
[03:05] <TheMuso> Golo: You can simply use the command sudo adduser I think.
[03:05] <Golo> okay i'll try
[03:05] <TheMuso> bluefoxicy: Very likely, but I think it would be best to let the devs know about it.
[03:05] <brettcar> TheMuso: I don't think adduser automatically gives anyone sudo powers
[03:06] <TheMuso> Ah sorry. Missread.
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> alright, what about the agenda for the next meeting
[03:07] <bluefoxicy>  "Discussion of ProactiveSecurity" particularly
[03:08] <tseng> bluefoxicy: is that on the list?
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> there's some cruft on there about it possibly being a matter for the technical board, and a response I made
[03:08] <Golo> brettcar, i cant seem to be able to modify it
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> I would like to resolve where this belongs so that said comments can be cleared off to unclutter the page (or archived elsewhere, depending on protocol)
[03:08] <tseng> ah nice blue
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> tseng: It was my recommendation for the next meeting
[03:08] <brettcar> Golo: Is it the text editor that is giving you problems?
[03:09] <Golo> yes
[03:09] <bluefoxicy> and while we're on it, during said discussion it may be interesting to form a SecurityTeam for ProactiveSecurity if the council decides to pursue it; would a "Possible formation of the SecurityTeam" be appropriate, or should no mention be made?
[03:09] <tseng> there is a security team
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> really?
[03:10] <tseng> in the interest in closing vulnerabilities
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: EDITOR=nano sudo visudo
[03:10] <Golo> brettcar, i figured how to modify it, ut i am not sure what to type
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: See if that editor is easier
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  ok, so a subteam?
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  SecurityEnhancementTeam?  :P
[03:10] <tseng> i guess..
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> (a bit garish)
[03:10] <tseng> the way I look at it
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: Something like this
[03:10] <tseng> i dont want it to be distributed by ubuntu, pax and all that
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: username   ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:10] <tseng> i just want it to be easy for you and I to use it if we'd like
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: Where username is the new user's username
[03:11] <tseng> that means compatible glibc
[03:11] <Golo> okay
[03:11] <Golo> thanks a lot
[03:11] <brettcar> No problem
[03:11] <brettcar> Have fun with Ubuntu!
[03:11] <tseng> possibly gcc, even pre PIE/SSP for daemons
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  Unfortunately stack smash protection and PIE would not be possible without recompilation, ne?
[03:11] <tseng> bluefoxicy: i just said
[03:11] <tseng> possibly build popular daemon packages with them
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  My goals are clearly different :)
[03:12] <tseng> your goals are clearly out of scope :)
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> remember that things like zlib, mozilla, and gaim are vulnerable to buffer overflows
[03:12] <brettcar> Hmm
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> libpng exploits too
[03:12] <tseng> bluefoxicy: and hopefully behind a firewall
[03:12] <brettcar> I'm wondering if we're going to need #ubuntu-devel soon ;)
[03:12] <cef_work> anyone done an install of ubuntu amd64 on a dual opteron?
[03:12] <brettcar> /whois Kamion
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> all places where SSP would be a "good idea" in my mind.
[03:12] <brettcar> /whois Kamion
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  uh?
[03:12] <brettcar> wtf.
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  Since when is loading up a malicious page with a libpng exploit protected from by a firewall? :)
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> Firewall can't block port 80, not if you want to browse the net.
[03:13] <tseng> im less paranoid about the desktop end
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  I'm more paranoid on the desktop end.
[03:13] <tseng> crash my mozilla for all I care
[03:13] <ultrafunk> cef_work: doing one on a single opteron at the moment, why?
[03:13] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: They can force you to use a proxy and the proxy can filter for the attack though
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> I hate shit like Sasser and MSBlast that spread like hell
[03:14] <sgtchubby> gotd0t, Thanks. It's not an ntfs-partition but FAT32.
[03:14] <cef_work> ultrafunk: cos I have a dual one here. just creating an iso at the moment *grin*
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  it's not crashing mozilla that's the problem, it's injecting foreign code via malformed HTML and PNG images
[03:14] <cef_work> ultrafunk: btw: hi
[03:14] <calc> hmm i only have gotten 650MB of viruses so far this month, maybe some of the new m$ patches are actually working
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  do you have one there?
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  what about unknown attacks? :)
[03:15] <ultrafunk> cef_work: how many NICs does the box have?
[03:15] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: No but my workplace did
[03:15] <cef_work> ultrafunk: 3
[03:15] <maruko-work> hi all
[03:15] <ultrafunk> cef_work: hi, btw :)
[03:15] <cef_work> ultrafunk: all onboard
[03:15] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: How can patches protect from unknown attacks anyways?
[03:15] <maruko-work> how do I get root access in ubuntu?
[03:15] <ultrafunk> cef_work: Intel based ones?
[03:15] <Telep> maruko-work: sudo -s
[03:15] <brettcar> maruko-work: sudo command
[03:15] <brettcar> maruko-work: Or sudo -s
[03:15] <Telep> or just sudo
[03:15] <Telep> :D
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  [buffer] [__guard]  damage the __guard and the program terminates before the payload is dropped
[03:15] <maruko-work> thanks
[03:15] <brettcar> Telep: You owe me a coke ;)
[03:16] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  normal operation won't overflow a buffer, or shouldn't.
[03:16] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: Some times thats just as bad
[03:16] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  only in defined cases
[03:16] <cef_work> ultrafunk: onboard whatever ships on the tyan serverworks boards.. so I'm pretty sure it's intel's.. 2 x GigE, 1 x 10/100
[03:16] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: Well if you can convince someone to refactor all their code for it ;)
[03:16] <yelo> ok, I just got ubuntu installed on my pmmx233...
[03:17] <yelo> rebooted, and it gives this error:
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  and in such cases, do you think a general purpose distribution would be deployed on such a system?  Such a system would be a critical enterprise server with a need for service guarantee.
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> besides
[03:17] <yelo> grub loading....error 18
[03:17] <yelo> any reason why that would be?
[03:17] <ultrafunk> cef_work: i've got some e1000 patches you might want to grab that, when I was running the same box with preview, latency was a killer.
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> if I could inject code, I could down the program if I wanted.
[03:17] <cef_work> ultrafunk: new office server. thought I'd try ubuntu on it.. *grin*
[03:17] <cef_work> ultrafunk: will definitely keep that in mind
[03:17] <yelo> let the partitioner default, as I did with all other options...
[03:18] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: This is highly hypothetical, despite its real life truths and applications :P
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  yes, yes very hypothetical
[03:18] <ultrafunk> cef_work: although, i'd say the same issues will apply to final, given all the patches cleanly apply without offset to <IP_ADDRESS>-16 :(
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  but trulthfully, if you're distribution is intended for general use, it's most likely not going to be put onto a highly specialized production server.  :)
[03:19] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: But hypothetically... ;)
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> bypothetically you have a PHB
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> :)
[03:19] <brettcar> lol
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> "There used to be this DOS thing that was cool, let's run apache from that!"
[03:19] <brettcar> Hold on, I'm feeling random...
[03:20] <brettcar> sh: line 1: fortune: command not found
[03:20] <brettcar> Authors (and perhaps columnists) eventually rise to the top of whatever
[03:20] <brettcar> depths they were once able to plumb.
[03:20] <brettcar> 		-- Stanley Kaufman
[03:20] <brettcar> I feel much better now.
[03:20] <meff> "They use IIS so why not us?"
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> heh.
[03:20] <Keknehv> what's the command to mount a floppy in bash? (given the desired mount directory as /mnt/floppy)
[03:21] <brettcar> That was strangely apropos, in an irrelevant way.
[03:21] <brettcar> Secretly I am convinced fortune reads my mind :P
[03:21] <Keknehv> lol
[03:21] <brettcar> Lets do another.
[03:21] <brettcar> There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking
[03:21] <brettcar> about.
[03:21] <brettcar> 		-- John von Neumann
[03:21] <brettcar> Okay I'm done. No more spam.
[03:21] <jimmy_dean> hmm, I'm running on a pretty much brand new Ubuntu install and I can't seem to make ./configure happy with my gcc...it says gcc doesn't pass the sanity test...any thoughts on what I need to do to fix this?
[03:22] <meff> whats next. /exec -o figlet 0WNz3D
[03:22] <meff> ;)
[03:22] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: apt-get install build-essential
[03:22] <brettcar> meff: Nah, figlet ain't free software ;)
[03:22] <meff> lol
[03:22] <jimmy_dean> brettcar: ok, I'll try that...thanks
[03:22] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: You make great sausages
[03:22] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: Thanks.
[03:23] <jimmy_dean> thanks :)
[03:23] <brettcar> I shouldn't IRC drunk.
[03:23] <cef_work> brettcar: not always a good idea
[03:23] <brettcar> Ah but the memories!
[03:23] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  have you seen http://lwn.net/Articles/106214/ btw?  *shameless plug*
[03:23] <cef_work> brettcar: you never know what packages you'll adopt in that state
[03:23] <brettcar> haha
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> as well as http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurity and half a dozen other things :P
[03:24] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: I just confessed my drunkenness and now you expect me to read all that ;)
[03:24] <meff> brettcar: soon we'll have niglet, the nano of figlet :P
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> hehe
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  it's short
[03:24] <jimmy_dean> thanks brettcar, I'm new to a debian based distro :)
[03:24] <LinuxJones> brettcar, I coded an ftp client mostly while loaded, was not good :D
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> there's 5 times more comments posted than there is article.
[03:24] <brettcar> meff: damn you're terrible :P
[03:24] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: You're welcome, enjoy Ubuntu!
[03:24] <cef_work> brettcar: "oh my god I was so drunk I ended up putting up my hand for packaging KDE".... see.. it could be real bad!
[03:24] <jimmy_dean> oh I am :)
[03:25] <jimmy_dean> brettcar: how about missing python headers, any idea what package that is? :)
[03:25] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: apt-cache search python
[03:25] <brettcar> Take your pick ;)
[03:25] <cef_work> brettcar: in fact, I'm pretty sure that's how daniels got involved with KDE, and X
[03:25] <brettcar> thats an awesome strategy for world domination.
[03:26] <brettcar> get everyone drunk and let them take the hard jobs.
[03:26] <meff> heh
[03:26] <brettcar> then savor your sober victory.
[03:26] <meff> bush "oh my god im so high on cocaine lets attack iraq"
[03:26] <brettcar> hah
[03:26] <brettcar> that deserves another fortune
[03:26] <brettcar> Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
[03:26] <brettcar> teach children.
[03:26] <brettcar> 		-- W.H. Auden
[03:26] <brettcar> Wow, how apt again!
[03:26] <ctalkep> hi again
[03:26] <meff> lol
[03:26] <ctalkep> one more question ?
[03:26] <brettcar> I swear, it is reading my mind :P
[03:27] <cef_work> brettcar: well it's how i ended up with my name in the linux kernel... got Rusty drunk at a charity T-shirt auction.. and he then promised to put the name of whoever won the auction's name into the kernel if the bid went over $1000
[03:28] <brettcar> cef_work: whats the specific credit line say?
[03:28] <brettcar> cef_work: Big Spender - cef?
[03:29] <Keknehv> you think FORTUNE is reading your mind? try this! http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/
[03:30] <brettcar> i swear you are all trying to cause my brain to explode
[03:30] <ctalkep> anyone willing to answer a weird question?
[03:30] <brettcar> with all this reading while drunk :P
[03:31] <Keknehv> HAHAHHAHA!!!
[03:31] <Keknehv> No, really, wasn't that random?
[03:31] <brettcar> very
[03:31] <brettcar> random enough for another fortune!
[03:31] <brettcar> Join in the new game that's sweeping the country.  It's called "Bureaucracy".
[03:31] <brettcar> Everybody stands in a circle.  The first person to do anything loses.
[03:31] <brettcar> wow i bet that would be tons of fun!
[03:32] <brettcar> I've successfully alienated all 258 other people in this channel.
[03:32] <brettcar> What do I win?
[03:32] <tseng> a kickban
[03:32] <Keknehv> lol
[03:32] <brettcar> damn.
[03:32] <cef_work> brettcar: in net/core/netfilter.c - /* FIXME: Stuart Young's name appears gratuitously. */
[03:32] <brettcar> That's sort of obvious though
[03:32] <brettcar> Maybe I'll get lucky and earn a K line!
[03:33] <brettcar> cef_work: hah :P
[03:33] <rtsbasic> hey. I setup Ubuntu this evening, but can't get Ati 3D accel working correctly - all the objects look corrupted/messed up - any advice?
[03:34] <meff> buy an nvidia? ;)
[03:34] <rtsbasic> Heh. this was supposed to be an upgrade from a GF4MX440 :)
[03:34] <rtsbasic> 2D's nice and snappy, but 3D in tuxracer/tuxkart is messed - smooth but messed up
[03:35] <meff> shoulda checked the support... ati writes drivers like fish swim in air
[03:35] <meff> :(
[03:35] <rtsbasic> :( Its only a 9600, not exactly bleeding edge stuff
[03:35] <rtsbasic> maybe I should have got the model down, at least that has real drivers
[03:35] <meff> i'll just say i've heard more problem reports than working reports :)
[03:36] <cef_work> brettcar: funny thing was that the bid that took it over $1000 was made by Tridge.. who already has his name in the kernel (funnily enough)
[03:36] <Keknehv> nvidia is better for linux boxes
[03:36] <calc> 9600 is the best 3D since it doesn't use a pos fan :)
[03:37] <rtsbasic> :) my nvidia was too old, so I thought i'd buy my first ATI card
[03:37] <Keknehv> lol
[03:37] <rtsbasic> think its too late to return it?
[03:37] <Keknehv> WRONG IDEA!
[03:37] <meff> ouch.
[03:37] <Keknehv> probably
[03:37] <Keknehv> http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/13886105
[03:37] <rtsbasic> Heh. don't think they'd accept that the drivers don't work
[03:37] <Keknehv> cause it's funny
[03:38] <Keknehv> Why you... VERBING ADJECTIVE NOUN!
[03:38] <Keknehv> hehhe :D
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> Any idea whether gst-python has a package in the ubuntu repository?  I'm trying to build the new flumotion streaming server
[03:38] <brettcar> DON'T SASS ME SUBTIVE ANTERIOR VALVE CLAUSE OF DENSITY!
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> I can't seem to find gstreamer and python together
[03:38] <Keknehv>  If one examines textual Marxism, one is faced with a choice: either reject neotextual constructive theory or conclude that art has intrinsic meaning. Therefore, in Beverly Hills 90210, Spelling reiterates precultural construction; in Models, Inc., although, he examines textual Marxism. Debord suggests the use of neotextual constructive theory to challenge and analyse sexual identity.
[03:39] <calc> aitrus: they at least used to be extremely loud
[03:39] <aitrus> calc: mine is brand new... PCX 5900
[03:39] <calc> ok
[03:39] <cef_work> that depends entirely on the fan
[03:39] <flash\\off> what tha heo
[03:39] <Keknehv> 5900 is outdated now
[03:39] <Keknehv> the 6xxx series is out
[03:39] <Keknehv> like the 6800!
[03:39] <rtsbasic> still does its job
[03:40] <aitrus> Keknehv: i'm not spending money on a 6600 just to have a 6800 come out in a few weekss
[03:40] <aitrus> Keknehv: there are no 6800 PCX yet
[03:40] <Keknehv> the 6800 IS out
[03:40] <cef_work> I've got a dual opteron with heaps of fans in it sitting behind me, and I cannot actually hear the thing running if there is any background noise.. cos most of the fans produce about 28-30 dBa
[03:40] <flash\\off> I got my 700 Bucks for my 6800 ULTRA + ps2/gtasa
[03:40] <flash\\off> :>
[03:40] <Despair> I thought Nvidia was doing PCIe, not PCIX
[03:40] <aitrus> Keknehv: PCX == PCI eXpress.  there aren't any of those yet
[03:40] <Keknehv> Oh....
[03:41] <Keknehv> Yeah...
[03:41] <Despair> aitrus: No, PCIe = PCI express. PCI-X is another standard, more similar to 64bit/66+ MHz PCI.
[03:41] <mjg59> Yay PCI!
[03:41] <Keknehv> Man, this live cd is slow...
[03:41] <mjg59> Two standards with confusingly similar names
[03:41] <aitrus> Despair: I didn't say PCIX, I said PCX
[03:41] <rtsbasic> bling bling, I guess
[03:41] <brettcar> I think we should get rid of PCI and just use transdermal interfaces
[03:41] <Despair> aitrus: that's a graphics file format. :)
[03:41] <aitrus> Keknehv: I know what PCI-X is... 64-bit
[03:41] <brettcar> The epidermis is a fine conductor.
[03:41] <aitrus> Keknehv: errr... not you, him
[03:41] <Keknehv> Heck, let's get rid of EVERYTHING and go back to the ABACUS!
[03:41] <brettcar> Think of the levels of users we could eliminate, I mean help.
[03:42] <rtsbasic> at least then my graphics card would work
[03:42] <aitrus> Despair: maybe you should visit nVidia's website and look at their terminology
[03:42] <flash\\off> I just read something in Biology about epidermis.. what a cohincidence
[03:42] <Keknehv> It's the largest organ on your body
[03:42] <aitrus> Keknehv: it's the largest organ SYSTEM on your body
[03:42] <Keknehv> on=in
[03:42] <calc> there should be 6xxx PCX soon, since the new dual pcie boards will be out later this month or in Nov
[03:42] <Keknehv> bah
[03:42] <flash\\off> Keknehv, the skin?
[03:42] <Despair> aitrus: Just because marketing is confused doesn't make me want to be, too. :)
[03:42] <Keknehv> Veni! Vidi!  I got the movie and the dvd-rw
[03:44] <brettcar> you know what
[03:44] <brettcar> this channel has been around a while
[03:44] <aitrus> Despair: yeah... it's like EIDE and EISA all over again
[03:44] <brettcar> and we haven't had an emacs vs vi(m) flame war
[03:44] <brettcar> we're really overdue.
[03:44] <keknehv> Yup
[03:44] <brettcar> so uhm.
[03:44] <keknehv> So which is better?
[03:44] <brettcar> emacs is the best.
[03:44] <aitrus> brettcar: oh yeah, well <your favorite thing> sucks
[03:44] <keknehv> I think cat is the best
[03:44] <keknehv> :D
[03:45] <brettcar> aitrus: oh yeah? well your <insert tool of non-sexual purpose here> is broken.
[03:45] <flash\\off> does anybody know how to bind together 2 movie files on linux ?
[03:45] <brettcar> not that i'd know if your sexual purposed devices are functioning, but I highly doubt it!
[03:45] <aitrus> brettcar: what are you doing inspecting  my <insert tool of non-sexual purpose here>???
[03:46] <aitrus> flash\\off: umm... well, you could just cat the two of them into one big file... hehehehehe
[03:46] <brettcar> aitrus: I am merely making an <euphmisim for deep anal cavity probe>.
[03:46] <tseng> hm, look at that nice shiny topic
[03:46] <keknehv> clear
[03:46] <keknehv> #cls
[03:46] <aitrus> brettcar: you're done
[03:46] <keknehv> dang
[03:46] <brettcar> yeah i know
[03:46] <aitrus> heheheheh
[03:46] <keknehv> how do you clear the window in X-Chat?
[03:46] <brettcar> let it rest in peace.
[03:46] <aitrus> /clear
[03:46] <brettcar> i'll spam us with fortunes!
[03:46] <flash\\off> aitrus, hmmmm help me..
[03:46] <brettcar> or not.
[03:46] <aitrus> bofh fortunes!
[03:46] <keknehv> EXCELLENT
[03:46] <brettcar> ooh yeah the bofh fortunes are good
[03:47] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  look at the topic in #-hardened :P
[03:47] <keknehv>  /join #hardened
[03:47] <keknehv> whoops...
[03:47] <aitrus> flash\\off: i was kind of kidding... however, if you just mush two avi's together they will play back to back as one big file
[03:48] <ficusplanet> I'm having trouble trying to get the new NetworkManager packages working.  I get a dbus error about "Connection :1.4" not being allowed to own the service...  Does anyone have any ideas what this means?  NetManager would really help make using this laptop easier.
[03:48] <aitrus> flash\\off: cp avi1 bigavi; cat avi2 >> bigavi
[03:48] <keknehv> how do I get webcollage to work?
[03:49] <flash\\off> aitrus, I need to burn this on a dvd and play it on a dvd player.. that possible ?
[03:49] <aitrus> flash\\off: can't help you there.  never done that stuff.  sorry.
[03:49] <ultrafunk> aitrus: have you ever seen what that command does when you try and remux the movie for playing on a DVD player -- ick!
[03:49] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: get avidemux, that'll do what you want
[03:50] <aitrus> ultrafunk: that's why i was kidding.......
[03:50] <tseng> ficusplanet: what network manager packages?
[03:50] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, thx
[03:51] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: I think the marillat repository still has it and all the dependencies you'll need.
[03:51] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, could you gimme the rep ?
[03:51] <ultrafunk> aitrus: ah, missed that bit :)
[03:51] <flash\\off> please?
[03:51] <keknehv> what should the apt-get repositories be?
[03:51] <us> Nuts, not sure if my mouse is broken, run out of battery or if knoppix doesn't like me anymore :)
[03:51] <ficusplanet> tseng, In people.ubuntu.com/~thom
[03:51] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/, I think
[03:52] <flash\\off> thanks..
[03:52] <keknehv> yeah... it's that line-- if user(current)==loser; kill mouse.power; end if
[03:52] <us> Heh, well it was working fine in debian just seconds before so I doubt it's the battery
[03:52] <maruko-work> how do I install the nvidia 6111 drivers in ubuntu? the script is complaining saying it can't find any kernel headers for ubuntu
[03:53] <us> Considering the mouse is all of <20cm from the receiver
[03:53] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, doesnt work
[03:53] <flash\\off> maruko-work, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <cef_work> flash\\off: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:54] <flash\\off> cef, thanks
[03:55] <cef_work> flash\\off: or something like that.. not sure if there is now an ubuntu specific rebuild for that now
[03:56] <flash\\off> cef_work, doesnt find the pkgs of the dependencies
[03:56] <cef_work> flash\\off: try testing instead of unstable
[03:56] <flash\\off> cef_work, maybe you know something about encoding avi's so that you can watch em on a dvd player
[03:56] <cef_work> flash\\off: probably closer to ubuntu now
[03:56] <angie75> hello there
[03:56] <cef_work> flash\\off: nope.. haven't got a dvd burner, so haven't looked at it
[03:57] <flash\\off> cef_work, the sarge rep worked
[03:57] <angie75> just a stupid question... does ubuntu support old amd processors? i have a 400...
[03:57] <flash\\off> angie75, yep
[03:57] <cef_work> flash\\off: in fact, only dvd player I have at the moment is my home ubuntu machine
[03:57] <paulproteus> angie75: You bet.
[03:58] <angie75> nice and fast answer!!! tnx a lot guys
[03:58] <us> flash\\off: Have a look at doom9.org although I have a fear that might be a windows orientated site, at the very least it'll give you all the infomation you need save for the exact encoding:)
[03:58] <flash\\off> cef_work, I dont have a dvd player either but at school (we wanna wathc Luther and I am the warezman) they have only the dvd player
[04:01] <angie75> paulproteus & flash_off
[04:01] <angie75> tnx bye
[04:01] <angie75> spreading ubuntu in Italy :-)
[04:02] <flash\\off> angie75, sei italiana ?
[04:03] <angie75> yep
[04:03] <flash\\off> angie75, eh viecci a trovare su azzurranet in #ubuntu
[04:03] <flash\\off> angie75, sto convertendo un sacco di italiani a ubuntu :>
[04:04] <us> w00t, finished, reboot time:)
[04:04] <angie75> pure io... si spaventavano con debian :-) adesso si ragiona
[04:04] <flash\\off> angie75, sei una ragazza immagino
[04:04] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: the repository? -- http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats has the full details on how to set it up
[04:05] <angie75> :-)
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, usi un qualsiasi Istant Messenger?
[04:05] <angie75> gaim
[04:05] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, yea yea I got it already.. thanks
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, intendevo il protocollo :P
[04:05] <angie75> haha, jabber ;-)
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, ho tutto tranne jabber, caspita :|
[04:05] <angie75> haha
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, se mi registro, posso aggiungerti ?
[04:06] <angie75> passero' su azzurranet ;-)
[04:06] <flash\\off> non mi vuoi su jabber ? :E
[04:06] <flash\\off> ora piango ;_;
[04:06] <angie75> non lo uso molto
[04:06] <flash\\off> ah
[04:06] <flash\\off> posso querarti ?
[04:07] <angie75> non credo di poterlo impedire :-)
[04:08] <flash\\off> angie75, semplicemente se mi dici di non querarti non ti disturbo
[04:08] <angie75> nessun problema
[04:08] <angie75> mo' vado pero'
[04:08] <ficusplanet> Woot.  NetworkManager works.
[04:10] <wulfy> good evening folks, I'm having some trouble gettin the nvidia binaries loaded
[04:10] <wulfy> I'm following the wiki
[04:10] <wulfy> but all I get is a blank screen after enabling them
[04:12] <Lathiat> wee got software suspend working on ubuntu
[04:12] <Lathiat> that was a bit of a chore
[04:14] <xf> Lathiat: howdy
[04:14] <xf> something's /really/ odd with a machine i'm trying to install ubuntu on; installation is going painfully slowly
[04:14] <xinel> anybody know how to get a sound blaster live to work?
[04:14] <xf> i'm suspeting possible hardware issues, though
[04:15] <Lathiat> hey xf
[04:15] <Lathiat> xf: cdrom slow/broken?
[04:15] <xf> nah, it's fine
[04:15] <xf> can't see any errors in any of the consoles, either
[04:16] <Lathiat> odd
[04:17] <xf> i'm up to installing the base system
[04:17] <xf> it's doing about one package every 2 or 3 minutes
[04:17] <wulfy> I've got a nvidia fx5200
[04:17] <xinel> nobody knows?
[04:17] <wulfy> when I reboot with the nvidia driver I get blackness
[04:17] <wulfy> the only change it makes when I enable is "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[04:18] <wulfy> I even commented out #glcore and #dri like a read somewhere
[04:18] <snarf> is there a cd burning app in ubuntu?
[04:19] <Lathiat> snarf: What do you want to burn?
[04:19] <snarf> an iso
[04:19] <Lathiat> snarf: just right click it in nautilus and hit burn
[04:19] <snarf> cool, never knew that
[04:19] <Lathiat> :)
[04:19] <Lathiat> you can also compile files onto a cd with nautilus
[04:20] <Lathiat> if you goto the cd creator you can paste files in
[04:20] <Lathiat> and burn them
[04:20] <Lathiat> no idea about audio cds, rhythmbox CVS is supposed to have something for that that might be incorporated at some point i guess, dunno
[04:20] <ctalkep> anyone know smth about scanners
[04:20] <ctalkep> ?
[04:20] <snarf> nautilus is awesome now
[04:20] <Lathiat> snarf: :)
[04:20] <Lathiat> ctalkep: Come again?
[04:21] <snarf> file managers in gnome/kde all sucked a few years ago
[04:21] <ctalkep> i have an old scanner working on the lpt
[04:21] <ctalkep> genius color page vivid pro
[04:21] <Lathiat> ctalkep: Play around with xsane, no idea what it does wrt LPT scanners
[04:21] <ctalkep> on win i have special drv that emulate printer on that port and it works
[04:21] <Lathiat> i know it supports alot of usb scanners
[04:22] <ctalkep> but no support for it
[04:22] <Lathiat> or google for the model and xsane
[04:22] <ctalkep> i tried:(
[04:22] <benh> hi !
[04:22] <daniels> yo dude
[04:22] <benh> do ubuntu/ppc has a recent glibc  by now or still the old crap ?
[04:22] <Lathiat> hey
[04:22] <benh> that is, does it have NPTL/TLS support
[04:22] <daniels> benh: we haven't done a large update
[04:23] <benh> I have a crashbox laptop here, I'm considering isntalling on it just to get an idea
[04:23] <daniels> um, dunno
[04:23] <daniels> we haven't done anything major to it
[04:23] <benh> well, the glibc issue is a big pain in the ass with deb
[04:23] <snarf> looks like 2.3.2
[04:23] <benh> it's totally outdated and patched to death
[04:23] <Lathiat> haha
[04:23] <benh> yah, same old junk
[04:23] <Lathiat> do any other distros have it right?
[04:23] <bronson> I think I've finished the Kernel Buildpackage Howto.
[04:23] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[04:23] <Lathiat> what is it, yelowdog or whatever?
[04:23] <bronson> Suggestions welcome.
[04:23] <wulfy> no nvidia users out there tonight?
[04:23] <bob2> benh: you should jump on ubuntu-devel and tell everyone :-)
[04:24] <bob2> wulfy: just ask your question...
[04:24] <benh> Lathiat: YDL, FC, SuSE ...
[04:24] <bob2> FC does NTPL on PPC?
[04:24] <wulfy> bob2: I have :-) -- after apt-get installing nvidia-glx and enabling it my x server doesn't start
[04:24] <Lathiat> benh: so its just debian?
[04:24] <benh> Lathiat: yes
[04:25] <Lathiat> heh
[04:25] <bob2> wulfy: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:25] <Juz_pass-n-thru> why didn't the partitioning ask/allow me to designate a swap partition? .. I just left one free .. will it ask me later?
[04:25] <daniels> benh: which version does one need to get nptl on ppc?
[04:25] <wulfy> bob2: that's how I got where I am now, followed it to a T
[04:25] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: the default thing will do it for you, if you partition it manually, you need to make one
[04:26] <Lathiat> is it just me, or in either my debian gnome2.6 or 2.8 did the battery applet let me set a suspend command that was a menu option and happened when you double clicked the battery applet...
[04:26] <Juz_pass-n-thru> there wasn't an option in the menu(s) when you do it manually
[04:26] <Lathiat> and ubuntu doesnt
[04:26] <benh> daniels: not sure exactly when it started
[04:26] <daniels> 2.3.x?
[04:26] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: yeah there is
[04:26] <benh> daniels: but if you update glibc, then I'd suggest sync with what fc has, something really recent
[04:26] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: select swap as the partition type
[04:26] <benh> well, I don't think there are any glibc "releases" anymore
[04:26] <bob2> benh: do we need glibc cvs for this to work?
[04:26] <bob2> hah.
[04:26] <xinel> can anybody help me with my sound problem?
[04:27] <benh> drepper probably decided that it was too easy for us people to have real releases
[04:27] <flash\\off> xinel, what's the prob
[04:27] <Juz_pass-n-thru> there was no swap in the list of the partition types is what I'm saying
[04:27] <benh> bob2: there is nothing but glibc cvs nowadays
[04:27] <Juz_pass-n-thru> ext2 thru fat32 .. no swap
[04:27] <angie75> goodnight
[04:27] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: maybe in mount point?
[04:27] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: I forget, but it is in there...
[04:28] <joem> anybody here have their home dir either a lvm or netowrk mount?
[04:28] <Juz_pass-n-thru> looked at all those places .. never found it
[04:28] <bob2> wulfy: do you have the right version of the modules installed?
[04:28] <Juz_pass-n-thru> scrolled top to bottom
[04:28] <Juz_pass-n-thru> I didn't try format .. maybe it was there ?
[04:28] <flash\\off> nobody ever burned an avi so that he can watch it on a dvd player.. cmon.. help me..
[04:28] <GotD0t-away> flash you have to convert to mpeg2
[04:28] <xinel> flash\\off: basically i have no sound at all, when i press the sound button i get this output "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[04:28] <bob2> flash\\off: dude, if no one answers, it's not a conspiracy against you, it just means no one knows.
[04:29] <bob2> flash\\off: I think you need transcode for that, tho, or mencoder to make it mpeg2.
[04:29] <wulfy> bob2: how would I tell
[04:29] <Juz_pass-n-thru> I know I can do mkswap or what ever it's called later .. just wondering if it was there and  missed it or what?
[04:29] <flash\\off> mencoder doesnt work..
[04:29] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: it is there, but I can't remember the exact option
[04:29] <bob2> wulfy: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-powerpc-smp - Restricted Linux modules on PowerPC SMP.
[04:29] <flash\\off> GotD0t-away, how to convert to mpeg2 ?
[04:30] <bob2> bah
[04:30] <Juz_pass-n-thru> well I remember I found it last time on the pre release ... this is the new one
[04:30] <bob2> wulfy: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules\*
[04:30] <GotD0t> flash\\off: im not sure... ive only done that in windows
[04:30] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: if you really think it's not there, ask on the ubuntu-users list, and someone can tell you the exact location
[04:30] <GotD0t> flash\\off: i just switched to linux this weekend
[04:31] <Juz_pass-n-thru> uhhh ubuntu users list .. as in #ubuntu-users   or a forum somewhere?
[04:31] <Lathiat> Juz_pass-n-thru: mailing list
[04:31] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: "list" = "mailing list".
[04:31] <Juz_pass-n-thru> k
[04:34] <wulfy> bob2: not sure exactly what I'm looking at
[04:35] <wulfy> it lists linux-restricted-mod <IP_ADDRESS>-13
[04:35] <bob2> wulfy: what does "uname -r" print out?
[04:35] <wulfy> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[04:35] <bob2> hrm
[04:35] <wulfy> bob2: I also see - ii  linux-restricted-mod <IP_ADDRESS>.3-4          Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on 386
[04:36] <bob2> what does "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep nvidia" print out?
[04:36] <wulfy> bob2: and - ii  linux-restricted-mod <IP_ADDRESS>-13           Restricted Linux modules on 386.
[04:36] <wulfy> bob2: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[04:36] <wulfy> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[04:36] <bob2> ah, cool
[04:36] <bob2> that means you have the right module installed and all.
[04:37] <bob2> is the module loaded?
[04:37] <bob2> "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[04:38] <wulfy> bob2: yes - nvidia               4821428  0
[04:39] <wulfy> bob2: When I boot using the nvidia driver it locks pretty hard - I can still SSH in but Control - Alt - Backspace doesn't work
[04:39] <wulfy> nor Control-Alt-f2
[04:39] <bob2> hah.
[04:43] <wulfy> bob2: hah ? was that hah of insight? perhaps? :-)
[04:43] <bob2> if loading it locks up, then there's nothing anyone but nvidia can really do to help, sorry :/
[04:44] <bob2> you might try using the other AGP thing or asking on ubuntu-users, tho
[04:44] <wulfy> bob2: the other AGP thing?
[04:44] <bob2> the nvidia kernel module can use the kernel's AGPart or it's own one
[04:45] <wulfy> bob2: what about a previous version of the driver?
[04:46] <bob2> might help
[04:48] <wulfy> bob2: can I install via apt-get or am I on my own?
[04:48] <keefer_> just finished the amd64 install, very nice so far
[04:49] <bob2> wulfy: older versions?  you'd be your own, I think.
[04:51] <PenguinBoy> good evening, guys!
[04:52] <keefer_> hola
[04:53] <magikfingerz> Hi everybody, How are you in this EXCELLENT night...? :)
[04:53] <PenguinBoy> wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:53] <PenguinBoy> how r u magic?
[04:54] <keefer_> not bad
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> great!
[04:54] <duke|ib> what's the default user/pass for cups if root doesn't have a password set?
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> I don't suppose it would be password?
[04:55] <duke|ib> :)
[04:55] <magikfingerz> I'm fine... currently installing ubuntu right now... BTW... How many time takes the ubuntu installation in a Lap Celeron 533 Mhz aprox. I have about a hour and half, and still is configuring... :p
[04:55] <keefer_> magik: shouldn't be too long, went quick for me
[04:55] <PenguinBoy> you'll make it magic
[04:56] <bob2> unpacking all those packages does take a while
[04:56] <duke|ib> i installed ubuntu on my ibook in maybe uh
[04:56] <duke|ib> 30 minutes
[04:56] <duke|ib> 700mhz
[04:56] <keefer_> bout the same on my amd64
[04:56] <PenguinBoy> same here
[04:56] <keefer_> 4th try is a charm
[04:56] <ficusplanet> duke|ib, How is everything working your 700MhZ iBook?  I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu on one.
[04:56] <PenguinBoy> centrino
[04:56] <bob2> wow, a lot faster than on my g4 ibook
[04:57] <jgeorgeson> i've been having trouble with k3b not listing any writer devices. it lists my drive under reader, but clearly lists itself as being able to write CDRs and CDRWs
[04:57] <duke|ib> well
[04:57] <magikfingerz> Well, while is still moving, I'm fine... :)
[04:57] <duke|ib> it doesn't wake up if i put it to sleep
[04:57] <duke|ib> but other than that it's great :)
[04:57] <ficusplanet> duke|ib, OK, I'll give it a shot.
[04:57] <duke|ib> i still need the default cups password :(
[04:57] <duke|ib> oh wait
[04:57] <duke|ib> wow
[04:58] <bob2> jgeorgeson: did you follow the instrucions on the wiki?
[04:58] <duke|ib> nevermind, i'm too slow to think
[04:58] <duke|ib> go me!
[04:58] <magikfingerz> BTW, somebody know how to rip a CD to Mp3, currently I'm using GRIP, but rip only to OGG/Vorbis... :p
[04:58] <bob2> magikfingerz: nothing in ubuntu can encode mp3s.
[04:58] <bob2> magikfingerz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:59] <magikfingerz> bob2, it's fine for me, but my portable CDPlayer only supports MP3, not OGG :(
[04:59] <keefer_> magik, use cdparanoia command line, then pick your encoder
[04:59] <Pizbit> Ack, ubuntu lacks some sensible aliases;)
[05:00] <Pizbit> .. = cd.. and whatnot:)
[05:00] <flash\\off> ;_;
[05:00] <flash\\off> need to burn an avi to dvd.. nobody did this before?
[05:00] <jgeorgeson> bob2: i'm looking for it but coming up dry, do you have a link?
[05:01] <bob2> keefer_: cdparanoia doesn't support any encoders at all, and ubuntu doesn't ship lame.
[05:01] <bob2> Pizbit: you can file enhancement bugs if you like.
[05:01] <magikfingerz> In fact, I know OGG/Vorbis have better quality than standard Mp3, so, its cool for me, but i'm upset 'cause I don't know any Discman what support OGG... :(
[05:01] <bob2> flash\\off: you've been given a number of suggestions, which you seem to have ignored
[05:01] <keefer_> bob2: cdparanoia will give you the wav's then have your way with them
[05:02] <flash\\off> bob2, no, I just cant get dvdrip.. doesnt install it..
[05:02] <bob2> keefer_: right
[05:02] <Pizbit> bob2: Yeah... Remind me in an hour or two:) Gota install nvidia drivers, 60hz refresh is driving me nuts, and this antiqudated version of xchat(Seems the maintainer of that even in debian isn't quick:))
[05:02] <bob2> flash\\off: "doesnt install it"? so fix that.
[05:02] <flash\\off> bob2, I mean.. there are only the deb rep's and the dependencies arent well built
[05:02] <bob2> Pizbit: the nv driver doesn't support high refresh rates on your card?
[05:03] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: the marillat repo works just fine with ubuntu, is what you need not in universe or marillat?
[05:03] <Pizbit> Seems odd, but it's the highest for this resolution. 1024x768
[05:03] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, dvdrip
[05:03] <bob2> Pizbit: that is very odd
[05:03] <bob2> flash\\off: I'm pretty sure you want transocde.
[05:04] <Pizbit> bob2: geforce420mx
[05:04] <DragonReborn> hi
[05:04] <DragonReborn> how is it going, people?
[05:04] <DragonReborn> how do I get proper ATI drivers installed on this so that I stop getting so much lag when I use openGL?
[05:04] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: you already mentioned that. is that package not in universe or marillat?
[05:05] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, it is but it needs dependencies..
[05:05] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, I couldnt run after each dep
[05:05] <bob2> DragonReborn: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:05] <DragonReborn> thanks
[05:06] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: and they aren't resolved within universe and marillat then? is dvdrip the missing dependency?
[05:06] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, right
[05:07] <defendguin> at least they got rid of the p0rn
[05:07] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Songs About Jane.rar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Kanye_West-College_Dropout-2004-RNS.tar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/D12-D12_World-2004-RNSS.tar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Confessions.tar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Young Buck
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Usher - Confessions
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/THe HiP HoP CoLLeCTioN - 29.07.2004 By Cerberus
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/The Eminem Show
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Snoop Dogg - Greatest Hits
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Simply Red
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Sido - Maske
[05:07] <Pizbit> Hah!
[05:08] <baHam> did you get everything
[05:08] <baHam> of my paste?
[05:08] <magikfingerz> Hurrah!! Ubuntu is working... is workiiing!! :D
[05:08] <baHam> I'm really sorry
[05:08] <DragonReborn> linux = win
[05:08] <baHam> jgeorgeson,
[05:08] <baHam> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:08] <baHam>   dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.6) but it is not installable
[05:08] <baHam> E: Broken packages
[05:08] <DragonReborn> *as in 'I win"
[05:08] <bob2> baHam: um, don't do that again
[05:08] <DragonReborn> not 'windows'
[05:08] <baHam> bob2, I'm sorry
[05:08] <Se7h> is there a way to read "hlp" files?
[05:08] <flash`> y0 Se7h
[05:09] <Se7h> o.0
[05:09] <Se7h> hello
[05:09] <flash`> its baham ;>
[05:09] <flash`> remember me ?
[05:09] <Se7h> --- baHam is now known as flash`
[05:09] <Se7h> now i do
[05:09] <Se7h> :)
[05:09] <flash`> hehe
[05:10] <adam_> whats a good mysql client?
[05:11] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: i haven't been able to install transcode either, but mencode and ffmpeg install for me
[05:12] <bob2> jgeorgeson: can't find that k3b page, sorry
[05:13] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, how to use ffmpeg?
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> bob2: me neither, i even did a google search of 'site:ubuntulinux.org k3b'. there is a how-to for fixing ~/.ICEauthority after running 'sudo k3bsetup' but that's not a probelm so far
[05:14] <Pizbit> "bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" <-Nuts, never seen this one before.
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: not really sure myself, man ffmpeg
[05:14] <bob2> Pizbit: is that partition mounted "noexec"?
[05:14] <bob2> or "user"?
[05:15] <Pizbit> user
[05:15] <bob2> that's why
[05:15] <flash\\off> Reading /home/baham/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/baham/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[05:15] <flash\\off> Reading /etc/mplayer/mencoder_codecs.conf: 73 audio & 180 video codecs
[05:15] <flash\\off> File not found: 'frameno.avi'
[05:15] <flash\\off> Failed to open frameno.avi
[05:15] <flash\\off> Reading config file /home/baham/.mplayer/mencoder: No such file or directory
[05:15] <flash\\off> No file given
[05:15] <flash\\off> Exiting... (error parsing cmdline)
[05:15] <Pizbit> flash\\off: Bloody helll
[05:15] <Pizbit> flash\\off: www.pastebin.com :P
[05:15] <bob2> flash\\off: please stop flooding the channel
[05:15] <bob2> flash\\off: that error looks very self-explanatory
[05:15] <bob2> flash\\off: "File not found: 'frameno.avi'"
[05:16] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: I don't know how to use mencoder or ffmpeg, i just installed them a couple days ago in anticipation of using them. check their web sites for documentation
[05:16] <bob2> dude.
[05:16] <bob2> it can't find the file you told it to use
[05:16] <bob2> fix that, for a start
[05:17] <flash\\off> bob2, I just RAN mencoder
[05:17] <Pizbit> bob2: Ahh, fixed, thanks:)
[05:17] <flash\\off> bob2, without specifiying..
[05:17] <bob2> flash\\off: yes, and then you ignored the error
[05:17] <bob2> flash\\off: then you need to specify the file to use
[05:17] <flash\\off> bob2, tried this too..
[05:17] <bob2> flash\\off: have you read the mencoder manpage or are you guessing as to how to use it?
[05:19] <bob2> flash\\off: are you trying to copy dvds?
[05:20] <flash\\off> bob2, I have an .avi on my pc and I want to burn it to dvd in order to watch it on a dvd player
[05:21] <bob2> flash\\off: http://dominia.org/djao/dvdsub.ver3-5.html
[05:21] <bob2> which googling for "mencoder avi video cd" found.
[05:22] <Pizbit> weeee. compiling xchat 2.4 :)
[05:22] <flash\\off> Pizbit, get the debian package..?
[05:22] <flash\\off> :D
[05:23] <WW> jgeorgeson (cc bob2): There's something about k3b in the Ubuntu Howto's, but I don't know if it helps with your problem.
[05:23] <Pizbit> flash\\off: Universe has only 2.0.8
[05:25] <jgeorgeson> WW: if it's the bit about fixing perms on .ICEauthority then no
[05:26] <flash\\off> Pizbit, debian package
[05:27] <Pizbit> w00t, tvtime playing fine
[05:27] <WW> jgeorgeson: That's the one... never mind...
[05:27] <KazeNoBokusha> OK, i've just installed the wonderful magicly awesome ubuntu, although i don't see how such a short name could actually mean `I am what I am because of who we all are' in `ancient African', but it's great nonetheless
[05:27] <atariboy> does warty have inotify installed?
[05:28] <KazeNoBokusha> but there's a snag, you see
[05:28] <KazeNoBokusha> i can't play my videos because i can't get w32codecs
[05:28] <Pizbit> So get them
[05:28] <evilmegaman> hello
[05:28] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:28] <KazeNoBokusha> i can't get them, so get them? that doesn't even make sense
[05:28] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: you need to use the marillat repo, or get them by hand from mplayerhq.hu
[05:29] <Pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Erm, what's stopping you?:)
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> repo? i thought w32codecs was in the main debian tree
[05:29] <Pizbit> Hardly
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> what's repo mean?
[05:29] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: hell no
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> repossession?
[05:29] <Pizbit> respository
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> oh
[05:29] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: 13:28 < bob2> KazeNoBokusha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:29] <bob2> read that
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> i am going there
[05:29] <evilmegaman> I still am having problems with my cd rom drive not being recognized by ubuntu. when I get to detect and mount CD rom, It can't seem to mount it. It does this with EVERY ubuntu release? No other distros do it besides mandrake
[05:29] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: have a ook at the wiki link
[05:29] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no one wtih any sense is shipping the w32codecs
[05:30] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, this is an xvid file, xvid is open source, why not include a decoder for it?
[05:30] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it's patent-encumbered
[05:30] <Pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: xvid aren't the only codecs in the package
[05:30] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: xvid is in the w32codecs pack?
[05:30] <Pizbit> (if they are heh)
[05:31] <KazeNoBokusha> i don't know if xvid is in w32codecs but i know i currently can't play them
[05:31] <jgeorgeson> maybe libxvidcore4
[05:31] <KazeNoBokusha> maybe it's because ubuntu uses gstreamer by default and not xine for totem?
[05:31] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: yes
[05:31] <jgeorgeson> and libxvidcore2
[05:31] <KazeNoBokusha> so gstreamer can't do xvid, that sucks
[05:31] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: lots of xine codecs also patent-encumbered
[05:31] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: install totem-xine
[05:31] <bob2> which is in ubuntu, but not on the cd
[05:32] <KazeNoBokusha> debian includes it, and they have a pretty restrictive idea of what they include as far as patents i think
[05:32] <Pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Debian do *not* include w32codecs
[05:32] <bob2> no, but it it does include xine
[05:32] <bob2> which is what KazeNoBokusha is talking about
[05:32] <Pizbit> You most likely had the marillat line in your sources.list
[05:32] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: debian makes it much easier to get patent encumbered packages then most other distributions i've tried, except suse and mandrake
[05:33] <KazeNoBokusha> i probably did, since at one point i wanted to try mplayer
[05:33] <evilmegaman> Can anyone help me out?
[05:33] <KazeNoBokusha> turned out mplayer had some problems
[05:33] <Witigonen> jgeorgeson, I found it was very easy to install mp3 packages and the like on Fedora.
[05:33] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: maybe
[05:33] <bob2> evilmegaman: sata motherboard?
[05:33] <evilmegaman> I dunno
[05:33] <evilmegaman> Lemme check
[05:34] <jgeorgeson> Witigonen: it's easier on debian. the installer asks if you want non-US and contrib
[05:34] <jgeorgeson> with fedora you have to track down repos on your own
[05:34] <bob2> non-Us in Debian is empty now
[05:34] <bob2> and contrib doesn't have different rules for freeness to main
[05:34] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, debian-installer never asked me that
[05:34] <Witigonen> jgeorgeson, the support page http://fedorafaq.org has a yum.conf file that has it all readily available.
[05:35] <evilmegaman> How do I know what mother board I have in windoze
[05:35] <sebast123> Does anybody knows if the CD distribution system is working and if the CDs are already on the way?
[05:35] <jgeorgeson> well, all i know is that stuff like mstt corefonts, flashplayer, and some other stuff were available after i enabled contrib, so i didn't have to look for repos on my own
[05:35] <bob2> evilmegaman: "Does your motherboard have SATA ports?"
[05:35] <bob2> sebast123: it is working, they will ship in a bit
[05:35] <bob2> sebast123: you should receive them in a month or so
[05:35] <jgeorgeson> Witigonen: which is not an official fedora (red hat) site
[05:35] <evilmegaman> bob2: oh
[05:36] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: might have been the old installer
[05:36] <sebast123> A month! that long?
[05:36] <bob2> sebast123: dude.
[05:36] <KazeNoBokusha> well, i'm going to get xvid, if it has patent issues, i'm sorry, but all my anime is in xvid format and there is apparently no non-patent encumbered way to play it, so i'll just get w32codecs
[05:36] <bob2> sebast123: someone is shipping thousands of cds out to random strangers around the world, waiting a month is not *that* big a deal
[05:36] <Pizbit> jgeorgeson: I'm fairly sure the old installer asked it too
[05:36] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, i used RC1 and pre-RC2 installers, those are the newest ones (only ones, too)
[05:36] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no, you want xine, as I said already
[05:36] <lamont> sebast123: the masters will hit the presser no earlier than monday, and then there are _A_LOT_ of cd's to press and ship
[05:36] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: install totem-xine, I'm pretty sure it will work
[05:36] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, ok then
[05:36] <jgeorgeson> Pizbit: that's what i was saying, Kaze said debian-installer (the new one) doesn't ask
[05:37] <KazeNoBokusha> bbl
[05:37] <evilmegaman> how do I know if I have SATA ports?
[05:37] <Pizbit> Argh, that guy is nuts!
[05:37] <jgeorgeson> lol
[05:37] <bob2> evilmegaman: what sort of motherboard is it?
[05:37] <sebast123> Yeah, you're whrite, and since it's free I should not bother
[05:37] <jgeorgeson> Pizbit: don't be a hata
[05:37] <evilmegaman> See here. I know very little about hardware.
[05:38] <gatolas> lamont:  do you know if the "free cds" is a limited/introductory policy?
[05:38] <evilmegaman> How do I find out what I have?
[05:38] <Pizbit> jgeorgeson: I don't hate them personally, I hate their attitude:)
[05:38] <bob2> sebast123: no, just have some patience, there are lots and lots  of cds to ship
[05:38] <jgeorgeson> ;)
[05:38] <evilmegaman> I wanted to know that for a long time. but I don't want to bother my friend because he's irritated
[05:38] <bob2> sebast123: until then, you can download it and burn it yourself
[05:38] <Pizbit> brb I hope;)
[05:38] <bob2> evilmegaman: you don't know anything about the computer at all?
[05:38] <sebast123> yeah
[05:39] <evilmegaman> hardly :(
[05:39] <gatolas> lamont?
[05:39] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: you could run lspci
[05:39] <KazeNoBokusha> i know that universe is not supported, but is it known to have problems?
[05:39] <evilmegaman> I am in  windows :(
[05:39] <evilmegaman> fedora's being cheesy
[05:39] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no
[05:39] <KazeNoBokusha> then it's most likely completely safe?
[05:39] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: well, yes, but not "it will eat your cat" sort of problems
[05:39] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: right-click on My Computer, go to manage, then check out Device Manager
[05:40] <lamont> gatolas: yes?
[05:40] <evilmegaman> yeah
[05:40] <evilmegaman> That's where I am
[05:40] <tux> i've just installed the def. ubuntu warty
[05:40] <gatolas> lamont: do you know if the "free cds" is a limited/introductory policy?
[05:40] <Pizbit> Ahhh, up-to-date xchat
[05:40] <lamont> gatolas: no idea what the long term plan is for providing no-cost CD's
[05:40] <tux> lastest one, it doesn't play mp3's , anyone else have that problem ?
[05:40] <evilmegaman> So how would I find what mobo I have in device manager :P?
[05:40] <gatolas> lamont: or is it a permanent policy?
[05:41] <evilmegaman> Do you want to answer in pm jgeorgeson?
[05:41] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: you probably won't, you'll find what components are on it though
[05:41] <lamont> gatolas: no idea, really.  that's way outside of my part of things - I just build the bits... :_)
[05:41] <gatolas> tux: try using XMMS.
[05:41] <evilmegaman> exactly what I thought. That's why I never knew what motherboard I have
[05:41] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: i'm just being cheeky. crack open the case and read the manufacturer off the board
[05:41] <tux> its not installed
[05:41] <KazeNoBokusha> oh, while i'm here, i've experienced this problem on both ubuntu and debian sarge: device manager crashes the moment it loads, so a grey window flashes on then right off again. any idea what's causing this?
[05:41] <bob2> gatolas: afaik, no decision has been made...have to see if the first lot bankrupts canonical or not ;-)
[05:42] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: are you up to date on ubuntu?
[05:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, lemme check
[05:42] <evilmegaman> I don't even know where to start when cracking open this case. it's a shuttle
[05:42] <jgeorgeson> ubuntu has a device manager?
[05:42] <bob2> jgeorgeson: yes, of a sort
[05:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, yes, no upgrades available, seeing as how i installed ubuntu mere hours ago
[05:42] <jgeorgeson> then it most likely has a shuttle mobo, check out the shuttle web site for specs
[05:43] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: that should have been fixed a while ago then
[05:43] <evilmegaman> ok
[05:43] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: please ask on the ubuntu-users list about that
[05:43] <adam__> has anyone install WINE on Ubuntu yet?
[05:43] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, OK
[05:43] <bob2> or bug pitti when he wakes up ;)
[05:43] <KazeNoBokusha> ubuntu-users?
[05:43] <tux> is there a way to dl the ubuntu ximms while not using ubuntu ?
[05:44] <tux> *xmms
[05:44] <bob2> tux: er, yes, but why?
[05:44] <tux> like a site url or something
[05:44] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: yes, the mailing list.
[05:44] <jgeorgeson> tux: you could browse the repo linked on the web site, and save the .deb
[05:44] <tux> well i dont have internet access at home , so have to dl elsewhere and copy over :/
[05:44] <tux> cheers
[05:44] <evilmegaman> agh. Is there any way to do a network installation of ubuntu?
[05:44] <evilmegaman> Maybe use the live CD?
[05:44] <bob2> tux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xmms/
[05:45] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: if you can get the live cd, why not get the install cd and install off that?
[05:45] <tux> bob2 : thx
[05:45] <bob2> evilmegaman: why do you think that will work when the install oen doesn't?
[05:45] <evilmegaman> Umm my computer's weird like that bob2
[05:45] <tux> bob2 : its only 2 mb :O
[05:46] <bob2> tux: it will Depend on other things, tho
[05:46] <evilmegaman> only 2 distros don't work with my cd rom
[05:46] <bob2> which you will need to also download
[05:46] <pizbit> Alltighty, how does one disable rivafb?:)
[05:47] <nickers> libswt install!? where is it
[05:47] <nickers> i was azureus
[05:47] <nickers> want
[05:47] <jgeorgeson> bob2, the k3b sourceforge site mentions that even <IP_ADDRESS> has problems (seems to recognize my burner in nautilus just fine though)
[05:47] <pizbit> Methinsk someone asked recently
[05:47] <bob2> nickers: isn't that some ibm java gui lib?
[05:47] <nickers> swing stuff
[05:47] <nickers> its pretty basic stuff
[05:47] <bob2> jgeorgeson: yeah, to do with permission changes in root
[05:48] <nickers> takes gcj to gui is its slogan
[05:48] <bob2> nickers: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:48] <nickers> ialready have java
[05:48] <nickers> this is an additional lib
[05:49] <fsc> how can I tweak XFree86-4 so that I can get both my synaptic touchpad and my usb wireless mouse to work at the same time?
[05:49] <bob2> it should Just Work
[05:49] <KazeNoBokusha> when i try to install totem-xine, it wants to remove not just totem-gstreamer, but ubuntu-desktop as well! shouldn't ubuntu-desktop rely on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine even though xine isn't in the main repository?
[05:49] <jgeorgeson> fsc it Just Worked for me
[05:49] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: you can file a bug asking for that
[05:50] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, where?
[05:50] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no, it shouldn't do that. you don't have to worry about ubuntu-desktop being removed.
[05:50] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, uaaa?!
[05:50] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: it should remove toten-gstreamer but not ubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: don't bother filing a bug, it won't be fixed
[05:50] <fsc> jgeorgeson, well, the touchpad doubletap wouldn't work out of the box for me, so i had to setup xfree86-4 to do some synpatic stuff, now the usb mouse doesn't work because of some changes i had to do and synpatic was getting loaded twice
[05:50] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, it isn't so
[05:50] <jdub> jgeorgeson: yes it should
[05:50] <bob2> ah
[05:50] <WW> KazeNoBokusha: I think that's normal. ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.
[05:51] <fsc> jgeorgeson, i've got both in Xfree86-4, i just need to tweak it so that either or can work
[05:51] <jgeorgeson> jdub: it should? it didn't when I installed it, i don't think
[05:51] <KazeNoBokusha> but it new packages are added to the meta package, and i don't have the meta package installed, it won't automatically install those new packages
[05:51] <KazeNoBokusha> on update
[05:51] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: if you remove something that u-d depends on, it will be removed too.
[05:51] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: that's right
[05:51] <KazeNoBokusha> s/it/if/
[05:51] <fsc> jgeorgeson, were you getting double-tap on the synaptic working out of the box, or was the touchpad acting basically as a serial mouse?
[05:52] <jgeorgeson> fsc: i've never tried to get that working
[05:52] <nuOpus> Hey whats up all?
[05:52] <nuOpus> I just converted to Ubuntu
[05:52] <nuOpus> great distro
[05:52] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, which is why it's a bug that i have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no, it's not. :-)
[05:52] <jgeorgeson> jdub: maybe i spoke to soon, dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop says no pacakegs found
[05:52] <fsc> jgeorgeson, yeah, i've got the double-tap working and the right-click/lower-corner tapping, so that's cool. but now i need for the wireless/usb mouse and the touchpad to work simultaneously
[05:52] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, ubuntu desktop shouldn't depend on totem-gstreamer, it should depend on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine
[05:52] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no, it shouldn't. :-)
[05:53] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, why not?
[05:53] <kro> ls
[05:53] <KazeNoBokusha> it would make more sense if you want one and not the other
[05:53] <nuOpus> whats the easiest way to get totem to use mplayer? Just compile totem from scratch?
[05:53] <kro> opps.  heh
[05:53] <lamont> KazeNoBokusha: you can remove ubuntu-desktop after it's installed
[05:53] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: it depends precisely on what is in the supported desktop set, no more, no less.
[05:53] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: i would imagine it's a philosophical 'avoid patented stuff' thing
[05:53] <lamont> jdub: as it should/must
[05:53] <KazeNoBokusha> lamont, except that if they update it to require a new package, and i don't have u-d, it won't install that new package automatically
[05:53] <lamont> jgeorgeson: ubuntu-desktop only depends on things in main, nothing in universe.
[05:54] <lamont> KazeNoBokusha: true.
[05:54] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: if you change your system, that's the price you have to pay
[05:54] <jgeorgeson> lamont: that's kinda what i meant
[05:54] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, well, you could be right, but in debian, they require things like patent-free | paten-encumbered sometimes, even if you have to add non-free repo in order to get it
[05:55] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: hence my earlier statement that debian makes it easier than other distros
[05:55] <lamont> KazeNoBokusha: just think of 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' as saying 'please install all of the supported parts of my desktop system, and remove anything they conflict with'
[05:55] <KazeNoBokusha> lamont, yes i know that
[05:55] <jgeorgeson> fsc: you have both InputDevice's listed in the ServerLayout section?
[05:56] <KazeNoBokusha> anyway, i see that ubuntu is even more patent-conscious than debian with it's dfsg, and that's ok, i suppose
[05:56] <bob2> patents aren't so much a freedom issue as a "we can get sued" issue
[05:57] <WW> bob2: Just curious... Does java fall in the "we can get sued" category?
[05:57] <KazeNoBokusha> well, either debian doesn't care about being sued, or they've evaluated the risk to be extremely low
[05:57] <nuOpus> whats the easiest way to get totem to use mplayer? Just compile totem from scratch?
[05:57] <bob2> WW: no
[05:58] <KazeNoBokusha> WW, i don't think it does, it's just not Free
[05:58] <rancoras> anybody ever notice that aisleriot doesn't resize well?  If the cards run off the bottom of the window...they can't be moved
[05:58] <bob2> WW: it falls into the "sun's version is often needed but has a stupid license"
[05:58] <fsc> jgeorgeson, yes
[05:58] <KazeNoBokusha> nuOpus, is it even possible?
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: who would get sued? debian is a network of volunteers?
[05:58] <nuOpus> ya
[05:58] <nuOpus> I did it all the time in Gentoo
[05:58] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, ah, good point
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> i guess the packager and the maintainer of the repository hosting the package
[05:58] <fsc> jgeorgeson, but right now the usb/wireless mouse is commented out because i was having problems.  do you know what "SendCoreEvents" in xfree86-4 means?
[05:58] <jdub> nuOpus: totem doesn't have an mplayer backend
[05:58] <nuOpus> I used mplayer instead of gstreamer or xine cuz mplayer just played media better
[05:58] <nuOpus> uhhh ya it does
[05:58] <ficusplanet> nuOpus, Totem can't use mplayer, dude.
[05:59] <nuOpus> ask anyone who has ever used gentoo
[05:59] <jdub> no really, it doesn't :)
[05:59] <RageMax> xine is better anyway
[05:59] <jgeorgeson> fsc: it tells X to treat events from that device as though they were events from the Core device of that category
[05:59] <nuOpus> I constantly play my movies with totem. Sometimes when it crashes I have to killall mplayer
[05:59] <nuOpus> to remove the process
[05:59] <jgeorgeson> (pretend this mouse device is the Core mouse)
[05:59] <fsc> jgeorgeson, and that does what....?
[05:59] <KazeNoBokusha> nuOpus, i've tried both extensively, the only major difference being that when you use the osd and you are watching an xvid file, the osd leaves residue until those specific pixels are updated to show a different color
[06:00] <jgeorgeson> fsc: that's what enables the multiple mouse setup, like a hotpluggable usb mouse to go with your touchpad
[06:00] <fsc> jgeorgeson, curious, because i'm looking at sample xfree86-4 file and that's what it has in the ServerLayout section
[06:00] <KazeNoBokusha> of course, if you need to fool with the plugins, you might also want mplayer, but other than that not really
[06:00] <jdub> nuOpus: unless there is some kind of insanely stupid gentoo patch (which i doubt), there is no relationship between totem and mplayer at all :-)
[06:00] <nuOpus> but ya ... fuscus I can show you a process list playing a movie. Totem used mplayer to play through totem
[06:00] <fsc> jgeorgeson, so should one be a CorePointer and the other a SendCoreEvents?
[06:01] <jgeorgeson> fsc: yes
[06:01] <fsc> jgeorgeson, does it matter which one?
[06:01] <jgeorgeson> fsc: i don't think so, my core is /dev/input/mice and the sendcore is /dev/psaux
[06:01] <ficusplanet> nuOpus, http://www.hadess.net/totem.php3 Mplayer isn't even mentioned.  Also, grep the source code - no mplayer.
[06:01] <WW> bob2 (or anyone else): So Java is not included because of a philosophical stance, not a legal constraint?
[06:01] <nuOpus> then its a gentoo patch
[06:01] <fsc> jgeorgeson, ok, i'm gonna try this
[06:01] <nuOpus> gotta get it going for debian
[06:01] <bob2> WW: no, because it's non-Free
[06:02] <fsc> jgeorgeson, thanks for your help
[06:02] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, that is a philosophical stance, actually
[06:02] <bob2> WW: which I suppose is a philosophical constraint, but a very pragmatic one
[06:02] <nuOpus> but ya fiscus .... I have been using it constantly with mplayer for a while. This is the first time I have not used totem without mplayer
[06:02] <jgeorgeson> fsc: only thank me if it works :p
[06:02] <nuOpus> since I switched to ubuntu
[06:02] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it has usage restrictions
[06:02] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: mixing that in with Free software is baaaaaad
[06:02] <joem> nuOpus, no, you are really wrong
[06:02] <fsc> jgeorgeson, ok, i'll be cursing your name when i relog into X if it doesn't...j/k
[06:02] <WW> bob2: I also use Libranet, and in their Adminmenu, there is an "Install Java" button.
[06:02] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, unless you care about compatibility and such stupid things as running java software and such
[06:02] <nuOpus> Ahhhhhh so it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to patch it so it does?
[06:02] <jdub> nuOpus: quite seriously, you are not correct.
[06:03] <nuOpus> cuz thats how it worked in Gentoo
[06:03] <WW> bob2: ... install plugins, anyway.
[06:03] <fsc> hehe. ok time to log out of X
[06:03] <jdub> nuOpus: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/gentoo-portage/media-video/totem/
[06:03] <bob2> WW: Debian has an installer package in contrib too, iirc
[06:03] <jdub> nuOpus: it would require a fairly significant amount of work to use mplayer within totem, and would be pretty well known if it had been done
[06:03] <ficusplanet> nuOpus, funny how a google search doesn't mention it, too.  Seems like something that would be noteworthy enough to show up.
[06:03] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: "Hey, here's an ubuntu CD, it's completely Free software, you can do whatever you want with it...Oh, except you can't A B AND C"
[06:03] <jgeorgeson> i've always just gone to java.sun.com to download and install it, even on windows
[06:03] <nuOpus> Okay ... now I will have to reinstall gentoo just to show you guys a process tree
[06:04] <WW> bob2: I guess I don't see why Ubuntu couldn't have a simple "Install Java" option somewhere.
[06:04] <bob2> WW: it could...
[06:04] <rancoras> nuOpus: ok, we'll see you in a couple days then :P
[06:04] <joem> nuOpus, do you really think that everybody but you(and the author) somehow missed totem having an mplayer backend
[06:04] <bob2> WW: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats :-)
[06:04] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, well you could do like debian does where it doesn't include the binary in the .deb, but merely downloads it and installs it...
[06:04] <joem> s/and/including
[06:04] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, that's what debian does with quake
[06:04] <jgeorgeson> WW: i think it has to do with licensing to redistribute the jdk/jre
[06:04] <WW> bob2: actually, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:04] <bob2> WW: ah, cool
[06:05] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it could do that in multiverse, yeah
[06:05] <WW> bob2: But that web page is a confusing mess.
[06:05] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: quake itself is free, it's the shareware data that isn't..
[06:05] <bob2> WW: hm, "someone" should fix it...are you bored? :-)
[06:05] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, multiverse?
[06:05] <WW> bob2: I'm the one who added the "Method 4" a few days ago.
[06:05] <bob2> WW: ah
[06:06] <KazeNoBokusha> Method 4?
[06:06] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: ubuntu's non-free, more or less
[06:06] <eheieh> so, how 'bout dem almost nekked people?
[06:06] <jdub> eheieh: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[06:06] <WW> bob2: But I haven't installed java yet.  Even the ubuntu site had gave two different links for installing java.
[06:07] <eheieh> cool
[06:07] <jgeorgeson> what is so freaking complicated about going to java.sun.com and downloading it?
[06:07] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, ubuntu doesn't release source then?
[06:07] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: he means "multiverse is where non-free stuff lives in ubuntu"
[06:07] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: for what?  everything in main and universe is Free Software, with fully available source.
[06:07] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: not "ubuntu is non-free"
[06:07] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: though his apostrophe would suggest otherwise
[06:08] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: oh, mind the apostrophe :)
[06:08] <bob2> erm, don't mind.
[06:08] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, ok
[06:08] <aj> bob2: "apostrophe of posession"
[06:08] <aj> sounds like a good title for a horror flick
[06:09] <jgeorgeson> this years runaway hit
[06:09] <daniels> 'sideshow and the killer apostrophe'
[06:09] <bob2> "that apostrophe at my baby!"
[06:09] <bob2> erm, ate.
[06:10] <WW> "Those things in the basement are my former husbands", she said.
[06:10] <jgeorgeson> lol
[06:10] <jgeorgeson> anyone have suspend/hibernate working?
[06:10] <KazeNoBokusha> so does any code meant to decode xvid automatically have patent worries, or is it just the current implementations?
[06:11] <bob2> jgeorgeson: x40 owning bastards do.
[06:11] <daniels> bob2: the apostrophe ate your e, by the looks
[06:11] <daniels> jgeorgeson: yeah
[06:11] <jgeorgeson> daniels: how?
[06:11] <jgeorgeson> :D
[06:11] <fsc> jgeorgeson, yeah, that worked great.  the SendCoreEvents is the ticket...and when I had copy-n-pasted the synpatics section it had a "CorePointer" section in it two, that's why it failed.  thanks again
[06:12] <fsc> hehe
[06:12] <jgeorgeson> fsc: no problem
[06:12] <daniels> jgeorgeson: if you have a thinkpad x40, follow the instructions on http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/x40/
[06:12] <fsc> and with auto-hinter on, the fonts look great
[06:12] <jgeorgeson> daniels: drat, inspiron 2600
[06:12] <daniels> jgeorgeson: they're a pretty good template for most other laptops too, though
[06:13] <daniels> you just need to stuff around checking which modules need to be unloaded, etc
[06:13] <jgeorgeson> i can suspend, but the resume just powers down after a few seconds
[06:13] <fsc> I've been working with linux since '97 and this is the first time I can say that the desktop looks gorgeous
[06:13] <elmaya> fsc how do you turn on auto-hinter?
[06:13] <jgeorgeson> trying to hibernate does nothing (no messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog, or anything, so i can't even debug)
[06:13] <fsc> elmaya, it's in /etc/fonts/local.conf ....just uncomment the second on auto-hinter
[06:13] <KazeNoBokusha> i read in the ubuntu review that it came with firefox 1.0PR, but it has 0.9.3, is there a reason? instability? i know when i tried 1.0PR on my windows box it had some problems
[06:14] <fsc> elmaya, the section rather
[06:14] <elmaya> fsc thanks i will try
[06:14] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it was downgraded due to instability, yeah
[06:14] <fsc> and it's cool that Ubuntu are big python supporters.....I've been playing around with pygtk and I like what I see
[06:14] <elmaya> brb
[06:14] <SuperLag> Good evening, folks.
[06:14] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, OK. what were the problems? in windows it would stop accepting certain keys as input
[06:15] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: crashes
[06:15] <eheieh> bon soir superlag
[06:15] <SuperLag> The default install of Ubuntu installs a very modular kernel and I get a LOT of module errors when I boot.  How can I clean that up?
[06:15] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: for instance, for some people, it would crash when you clicked javascript popup links
[06:15] <jgeorgeson> daniels: so you don't have hibernate, just suspend?
[06:15] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, oh wow, i haven't experienced crashes, except 0.9 on gentoo and 0.8 on windows
[06:15] <WW> SuperLag: Do you mean, for example, hw_random?
[06:16] <SuperLag> WW: that, and if I remember it right, pciehp and some others
[06:16] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, well perhaps it is linux specific? i've clicked such links without a problem
[06:16] <WW> SuperLag: ... and maybe something about yenta and i823560?
[06:16] <SuperLag> WW: wait a minute... isn't hw_random just the random number generator?
[06:16] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it only affected some people, but it hit on mac os X (at least), too
[06:16] <jgeorgeson> fsc: so what sort of stuff did you add for the synaptics stuff, just driver options?
[06:16] <SuperLag> WW: yeah, those too
[06:16] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: apparently it's been fixed, but no one knows how or why
[06:17] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, so 1.0PR might be added again?
[06:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: correct
[06:17] <SuperLag> WW: I thought they might be loaded from modules.conf, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[06:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: but it uses so little battery it doesn't matter
[06:17] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: not to warty, but to hoary, yes
[06:17] <Amroc> lamont, nope it cant see wireless
[06:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: it would take 160 hours to drain the battery; i'm comfortable with that
[06:17] <jgeorgeson> brb
[06:17] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, i assume hoary is what the next release will be called?
[06:17] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, when's that due? sometime in march?
[06:18] <WW> SuperLag: I don't know the details, but I've been told that the errors are cosmetic.  Maybe the experts here can clarify.
[06:18] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: yes, april
[06:18] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, OK, just in time for fanime ;) (not sure what they have to do with each other but, meh)
[06:18] <WW> SuperLag: You might also find information in bugzilla.
[06:19] <SuperLag> WW: well, I know the _why_... I just don't know what file lists the modules to be loaded at boot time.  That's the part that would fix it.  just remove/comment the relevant lines.
[06:19] <lamont> Amroc: wanna send me details on the card?
[06:19] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: fanime?
[06:19] <KazeNoBokusha> ok, next question of mine: how do i get all this laptop and RAID and LVM related stuff to stop loading at startup since i'm on a desktop machine that uses none of these, much less a battery?
[06:19] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, an anime convention in california
[06:19] <bob2> oh
[06:19] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, in april
[06:19] <pizbit> Bah, that didn't disable the vesafb modules from loading
[06:20] <fsc> yeah, i don't need the RAID and LVM stuff either. and framebuffer and a bunch of other stuff....whereever the module list is
[06:20] <fsc> distros still confuse me with module stuff
[06:20] <KazeNoBokusha> about the laptop/RAID/LVM stuff, i bet it's using resources
[06:20] <SuperLag> The default install of Ubuntu installs a very modular kernel and I get a LOT of module errors when I boot.  How can I clean that up? hw_random, pciehp, i82365, yenta are some examples... Gentoo will read /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 for a list of modules to be loaded (assuming you don't have hotplug enabled/installed).... does Ubuntu read a file also?  I'm just wanting to clean that up some.
[06:20] <KazeNoBokusha> fsc, framebuffer is good for having higher resolution console
[06:20] <SuperLag> GAH
[06:20] <SuperLag> sorry'
[06:21] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: I don't need that though, most people don't.
[06:21] <WW> SuperLag: OK, I'll be watching to see what answers you get here. I wouldn't mind cleaning up some of that stuff myself.
[06:21] <fsc> KazeNoBokusha, i don't care about high-res in virtual consoles
[06:21] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Interferrs with nvidia drivers too apparently
[06:21] <KazeNoBokusha> pizbit, ok then, i find it useful to view more boot messages though
[06:21] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: dmesg is good for that
[06:21] <fsc> the question is where is the modules list in ubuntu...every distro does module stuff differently.  I still get confused on how modules work
[06:21] <KazeNoBokusha> dmesg? doesn't that not display all the messages?
[06:22] <pizbit> *shrug* It shows what I need to see
[06:22] <pizbit> But anyway, how to get rid of the damned vesafb?:)
[06:22] <KazeNoBokusha> well i remember on debian it didn't for example show privoxy loading
[06:22] <KazeNoBokusha> pizbit, recompile is the only way, right?
[06:22] <KazeNoBokusha> or maybe not...
[06:22] <linux_mafia> my city is having an installfest, i want to push ubuntu as the (one of) distro to use, im sure i read a summary of what was so good about it somewhere, maybe osnews or something? unfortunately i think it was a ubuntu vs debian proper thread, not the angle i want to push, but it did highlight the best points, and counter arguments i may face, anyone know of the article/thread?
[06:23] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Nah, they're modules so there should be an arguement to put on the kernel boot line
[06:23] <bronson> linux_mafia: Ubuntu just works.
[06:23] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, sorry, Slack already uses that line
[06:23] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: dmesg is only ever kernel messages
[06:23] <linux_mafia> bronson, well i know that, you know that ....
[06:23] <bronson> In my experience, anyway.  Requires much less fiddling than Debian or Red Hat.
[06:23] <KazeNoBokusha> just go in #slackware and you'll hear tons of `Slack Jut Works'
[06:23] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: er, good point.
[06:23] <KazeNoBokusha> or `it Just Works'
[06:24] <KazeNoBokusha> s/Jut/Just
[06:24] <bronson> Though Slack, in my experience, doesn't really.  It takes a lot of configuration....
[06:24] <pizbit> Hrm, google suggests video=vesa:off
[06:24] <KazeNoBokusha> well, it's what they say, anyway
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> maybe it Just Works once you've configured it?
[06:25] <elmaya> mm well i see no real difference :(
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> ;)
[06:25] <bronson> Ubunto: A Fine Default Install.
[06:25] <bronson> maybe that's not very catchy...
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> replace Fine with something more positive
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> like great
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> or sane
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> Ubunto [sic] : Sane Defaults for Everyone!
[06:25] <bronson> A Sane Default Install As Long As You Like Gnome.
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> haha
[06:26] <pizbit> Hrm, does one need to run grub (with some arguments?) after changing the bootline?
[06:26] <fsc> let the desktop wars commence