[08:01] <murac|i> :)
[08:02] <frank23> murac|i: maybe take out the cd line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:02] <murac|i> frank23: ye i tought so...because there are only default and old packages..
[08:02] <GNU_Style> where's superkaramba in kde 3.5.1?
[08:02] <frank23> murac|i: I don't know about the network thing
[08:02] <murac|i> well....i manage it myself
[08:02] <nige_> its been bugged already
[08:02] <nige_> have a look http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117835
[08:02] <Kyral> Wanna see someting reeally screwed up?
[08:03] <Kyral> Konversation and Kontact running nicely in GNOME 2.14 :D
[08:03] <me2win> i finally got my processes PHP script working. To display currently running processes on my apache server
[08:03] <murac|i> hey...does superkaramba allso found on some default repositories ?...or are there some .deb repositories for that kand if programs...(like Superkaramba)
[08:03] <frank23> GNU_Style: is superkaramba installed? I have it in the utilities menu
[08:03] <me2win> murac|, its in multiverse/universe
[08:04] <murac|i> me2win: oh...if i add them i should find superkaramba allso trough adept ?
[08:04] <me2win> yeah
[08:04] <murac|i> nice
[08:04] <murac|i> ill take out that cd breezy and add those repositories..
[08:06] <GNU_Style> frank23: KDE website say superkaramba is embeded in KDE 3.5.1
[08:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell murac|i about repos
[08:06] <nalioth> murac|i: enable the universe and multiverse repos
[08:06] <murac|i> nalioth: there are only universe repositories shown..
[08:07] <murac|i> not multiverse at all..
[08:07] <frank23> GNU_Style: ok maybe it is. try superkaramba in a console
[08:07] <nalioth> murac|i: read the wiki page ubotu just PMd you
[08:07] <murac|i> havent done anything...just installed kubuntu
[08:08] <murac|i> why the uinverse and main restricted repository addresses are same ?
[08:09] <murac|i> and should i add deb-src repos...or are those only for source code ?
[08:10] <frank23> murac|i: they are only for source
[08:11] <murac|i> ok
[08:15] <nalioth> murac|i: you may add them if you wish, they are good to have enabled
[08:21] <murac|i> nalioth: now i found superkaramba etc..
[08:21] <murac|i> i followed wiki
[08:21] <murac|i> had to write manually that multiverse....dont know why
[08:22] <murac|i> i think these wikis are really good help for beginners
[08:22] <murac|i> like TLDP howtos
[08:22] <murac|i> :E
[08:22] <nalioth> murac|i: we think so, too. that is why we write them
[08:23] <murac|i> ye..its easy to learn fast if there are specific wikis to follow
[08:23] <murac|i> i have used solaris before but its little different from this...its unix
[08:23] <murac|i> hmmh...kind same
[08:23] <murac|i> tough
[08:27] <murac|i> nalioth: which were the good mp3 players...amarok and ?
[08:28] <murac|i> and which one is good movie player which plays divx,xvid and all formats of video...
[08:28] <nalioth> murac|i: the nice thing about linux is all the programs are free
[08:28] <murac|i> nalioth: i know... i have used unix
[08:28] <nalioth> murac|i: use them all and keep the one(s) you like
[08:28] <murac|i> im programmer..
[08:28] <murac|i> but little newbie with linux
[08:29] <murac|i> nalioth: thats very true....all is free
[08:29] <murac|i> and legal etc..
[08:29] <murac|i> :)
[08:30] <murac|i> sorry my little bad english...i have used to write so fast that i dont think specific words
[08:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell murac|i about multimedia
[08:30] <frank23> murac|i: I use kaffeine-xine     install w32codecs
[08:30] <nalioth> more wiki pages coming your way, murac|i
[08:30] <murac|i> sure..
[08:30] <murac|i> nalioth: oh that bot gave me instructions :)..nice
[08:31] <Psi-Jack> Now, that was totally unexpected. :)
[08:31] <Psi-Jack> I found a 1.9GB logfile in my /var/log tree. :)
[08:31] <murac|i> :D
[08:31] <murac|i> haha
[08:31] <murac|i> why so big ?
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> For something, I never used, even. It was the crossfire-server logfile. :)
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> But, I do have a situation.
[08:33] <Psi-Jack> In X, I can't seem to use CTRL+ALT+Fx to switch to a console.
[08:37] <GNU_Style> escputil
[08:37] <GNU_Style> how to run superkaramba in KDE 3.5.1 they say its included in the release?
[08:40] <murac|i> well now my repositories are working fine...
[08:40] <murac|i> i think ubuntu finds nearest/fastest repositories..
[08:40] <murac|i> well..not ubuntu but adep
[08:54] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty.. Time to try out XFCE 4 for a change. :)
[09:04] <hara> hello. any ati owners around?
[09:11] <kosh> yeah I have two ati cards in this machine
[09:13] <hara> with 3d-accel working with latest ati-drivers?
[09:18] <glick> hello?
[09:19] <glick> scuse me what version of kde are you all using?
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Does XFCE4 for Breezy have extreme problems or something?
[09:20] <glick> i dont think so why?
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> Because, first time I started it. It was just a rounded corner background image.  I see.. How do I remove the old xfce session/configuration stuff?
[09:24] <nalioth_zZz> Psi-Jack: it's not necessary
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> nalioth_zZz: But, I got it to partially work, one out of 3 times I started it. heh
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> But, different times, it does different things.
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> Sometimes, the right-click and middle-click will actually DO something on the desktop, sometimes now.
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> not
[09:26] <Psi-Jack> And the xfce settings doesn't work.
[09:28] <Psi-Jack> So.. I think it matters, that nothing works. :)
[09:28] <nalioth_zZz> then rm ~/.xfce  no? Psi-Jack
[09:30] <Psi-Jack> Huh. This is even wierder. When I startx, it starts to start, and I see the background, and what looks like the panel, but then it dies and leaves back to console. I'd been running it from kdm.
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> Well, this is quite upsetting.
[09:36] <cycus_zwisus> has anyone tried to upgrade to kde 3.5.2 recently?
[09:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, 3.5.2 is out?
[09:40] <cycus_zwisus> Psi_Jack, not officialy yet but there are already packages for breezy and dapper
[09:40] <Psi-Jack> Wow. Heh
[09:40] <heinkel_111> good morning :)
[09:41] <Psi-Jack> What was this about KDE 3.5.1? Is there official packages for it?
[09:41] <reon> Psi-Jack: Yip look at the Kubuntu home page. Been there for a while
[09:42] <Psi-Jack> I know 3.5.0 has, but didn't know about 3.5.1.
[09:43] <cycus_zwisus> kubuntu.org/packages
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> I keep having a major problem with KDE, keeping it running for days, and it bogging down so horribly bad, that it pretty much locks up my system.
[09:44] <heinkel_111> restart KDE ?
[09:44] <heinkel_111> unless you have something precious running on top of course
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> heinkel_111: Well, generally, I'm the only one that uses it. :p
[09:45] <wawa_> v
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> But, I'd like to also not have ot restart it, as if it were a windows system, either. Not quite as bad, as a full reboot, (which I still do regularly even in VMWare'd Windows :p), but still, annoying.
[09:46] <kosh> if you run top what is taking up all the time?
[09:47] <heinkel_111> Psi-Jack: wintendo has to be restarted...in kubuntu at least you can restart only the dekstop environment :)
[09:47] <heinkel_111> i think one of your apps must be moemory leaking
[09:49] <kosh> actually most of the reasons that windows has problems now is hardware and software that is not part of the os
[09:49] <kosh> ie norton software can bring anything to its knees
[09:49] <kosh> and a bad power supply will screw over anything
[09:49] <kosh> and most people have very bad pos power supplies
[09:50] <kosh> just because something says 300W and your computer only need 200W does not mean it will work since the cheap power supplies seem to become unstable at half their rated power or so
[09:50] <kosh> so your video card goes under voltage during load, generates something weird as a result, the driver freaks out and windows dies
[09:51] <kosh> windows sucks in a lot of ways but most stability problems are hardware and very bad software
[09:52] <heinkel_111> and the way people use ut
[09:52] <heinkel_111> us it
[09:52] <heinkel_111> omg the typos
[09:52] <heinkel_111> USE IT
[09:52] <heinkel_111> I know people that keep reformatting all their disk and reinstalling etc. every 3rd month on windows
[09:53] <heinkel_111> how do they get all that malware?
[09:53] <heinkel_111> 1. it exists and it works on their system
[09:53] <kosh> I know I have managed to run some w2k boxes that have no spyware and have not been reinstalled in about 2 years
[09:53] <heinkel_111> 2. they don't do the necessary precautions like running a GOOD AV system and spyware cleaner
[09:54] <heinkel_111> kosh: same here, but not without precautions
[09:54] <kosh> the primary way people get nailed is running IE and downloading random crap
[09:54] <heinkel_111> yup :)
[09:54] <kosh> use firefox and don't download screensavers, shareware games etc
[09:54] <hatake_kakashi> running everything as administrator is a pure sign for trouble.. more or less the same theory applies to running everything as root
[09:55] <Psi-Jack> Oh. D'uh me.
[09:55] <mornfall> or remove winders :)
[09:55] <Psi-Jack> I have 3.5.1. LOl
[09:55] <heinkel_111> the most important  part of any protection system is 60 cm from the screen :P
[09:55] <heinkel_111> mornfall:  removing windows is a cheap soution
[09:55] <mornfall> in the spirit that there are no other errors than pebkac
[09:56] <Wingede> when is the next version due out? - sorry if this is asked all the time :)
[09:56] <heinkel_111> no more hardwork with all the spyware cleeaning, firewall constructions etc etc
[09:56] <hatake_kakashi> !tell Wingede about dapper
[09:56] <Psi-Jack> Supposed to be next month sometime. :)
[09:56] <Psi-Jack> Making it, 6.4
[09:56] <Wingede> ty hatake_kakashi
[09:57] <kosh> my point though it that windows is not as bad as many people make it out to be stability wise
[09:57] <kosh> since w2k whenever I have found a windows box constantly crashing it has almost always been hardware
[09:57] <mornfall> no, but they are horrible usability-wise -- at least for a long time kde/unix person
[09:57] <kosh> or something like starforce
[09:57] <kosh> I have been using kde since one of the betas before 1.0
[09:58] <kosh> and I have used linux for all my desktop and work stuff for about 10 years now
[09:58] <kosh> I just have windows for games
[09:58] <mornfall> i can't get a grip on a system that doesn't resize windows on alt-drag
[09:58] <kosh> however I like accuracy of information and I still have had to deal with windows boxes
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh, StarForce. Most annoying thing for legit buyers.
[09:58] <hatake_kakashi> bad programming and/or corporate greed has more or less cause the instability of windows
[09:58] <mornfall> or move them
[09:58] <heinkel_111> kosh...i think that windows for games will change
[09:58] <heinkel_111> sometime soon
[09:58] <reon> Psi-Jack: Give dapper a try, you will be pleasently supprised. Looks shithot
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> reon: Shithot, eh? That's a new term for webster. :)
[09:59] <kosh> well if I had nvidia cards on this box instead of ati I would probably try to do the games more under linux
[09:59] <heinkel_111> 64 bit linux is just more effective...i don't know why performance hungry gamers use a 2nd rate OS
[09:59] <reon> lol
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> reon: I've been waiting for it to release before actually going with it.
[09:59] <mornfall> kosh: not to mention ctrl+h, ctrl+w not working
[09:59] <mornfall> kosh: did i mention the shell being useless? :)
[09:59] <mornfall> etc
[09:59] <mornfall> every now and then i have to do something to some windows box
[09:59] <kosh> I like to know the truth about various products not just the bs that people repeat on forums
[09:59] <mornfall> and more time passes the more lost i get :)
[09:59] <hatake_kakashi> you can still play games on linux via ATI, but your options maybe limited. However, I am soon to test that theory fully out
[10:00] <reon> Psi-Jack: I installed it yesterday and I must say it looks much better than breezy and also feels way faster
[10:00] <reon> and i havent even updated my nvidia drivers yet
[10:00] <Psi-Jack> reon: Did you clean install? heh
[10:00] <Psi-Jack> Xorg 7, mind you, itself is a bit faster, so that makes some difference.
[10:00] <Psi-Jack> Beyond that, I don't see how it could be any faster ,unless the kernel was compiled differently, with more desktop-oriented settings.
[10:01] <reon> Psi-Jack: Yes, I basically said _uck it and popped the cd in
[10:01] <Psi-Jack> reon: That's why it seemed faster, then, most likely.
[10:01] <Psi-Jack> A clean system always feels faster. :)
[10:02] <reon> It definately feels faster, not my imagination. Bootup times have also been reduced. Overall a very polished package so far
[10:02] <reon> Anybody seen Riddell around, maybe he can comment on the speed issue
[10:04] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I assume there's not any Breezy to Dapper upgrading docs, yet?
[10:05] <reon> I would not do a dist-upgrade, prefer a clean install
[10:05] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: I have two radeon cards, the binary ati driver will only activate one of them, that is true under linux and windows
[10:05] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: crossfire?
[10:05] <Psi-Jack-v2> Well, one of the big reasons, out of all the other binary-based distributions of Linux there are, why I chose Kubuntu, was because of dist-upgrade.
[10:05] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: so I can't use it with 3d, I already checked with nvidia and they sent me a config file for running two of their cards at a time with 4 monitors and 3d accel on all of them
[10:06] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: no I have an x850 and a 9250
[10:06] <hatake_kakashi> ahh
[10:06] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: if the cards are different the ati driver won't start both of them
[10:06] <Psi-Jack> And, so, when I upgrade to dapper, it'll be dist-upgraded to it.
[10:06] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: so my next upgrade is definitely to nvidia which not only has a far better documented driver but when I asked the question I got a config file
[10:07] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: my point about windows though is people nail them for so much crap that is their own fault instead of looking at what they do right and also nailing them for what they really did do wrong
[10:07] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: afaik, the last I heard is that they use optimisation codes to rig the benchmarks against ATI, some rumors are still floating around declaring that is true
[10:07] <reon> I just had a though. You know when you can't always remember a command. It would be nice to have a feature similair to Cisco IOS cli. You can start typing what you think the command is follow by a question mark and it will give you all commands that start like that.
[10:07] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: like naling them for their crappy file locking system, the fragmentation issue for long running processes and realloc etc
[10:08] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: ati just got nailed for cheating in 3dmark06 also
[10:08] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: however I don't care about the benchmarks, I want quad head xinerama with opengl acceleration
[10:09] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: so I can use aigl or xgl to offload tasks to the video cards that the cpu are currently doing
[10:09] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: yeah then in that case Nvidia is better
[10:09] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: quad head is fairly cpu intensive
[10:11] <kosh> however while windows is not a very good os, linux and bsd are only slightly better ,none of them will ever be very reliable or secure without a complete redesign
[10:12] <kosh> http://www.coyotos.org/  that should be fundamentally far more stable and secure but even something like qnx now is far more stable then linux will pretty much ever get to
[10:13] <mornfall> people that can use debuild, running dapper and willing to test new adept beta?
[10:14] <hatake_kakashi> There was also another one, something like plan9 or something, some person ranted on in another channel declaring its security is superior from ground up
[10:14] <rumple> Hi everyone...
[10:15] <kosh> hi rumple
[10:15] <hatake_kakashi> Guten Tag
[10:15] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: plan9 is probably a fair bit better then the unixes and windows but worse then those that I listed
[10:15] <mornfall> not everyone at once...
[10:15] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: however even the languages we use to write software in is not very well suited to making better software
[10:16] <hatake_kakashi> kosh: well what can I say.. 'Its built by humans for humans' :)
[10:16] <kosh> hatake_kakashi: the functional style languages are FAR easier to parallelize and don't run into issues with threads and race conditions
[10:16] <heinkel_111> does anyone have any experience with automatix? if so do you  recommmend it or would you rather do the the install work manually?
[10:17] <hatake_kakashi> !tell heinkel_111 about automatix
[10:18] <kosh> early next year quad core chips will be coming out from amd and intel
[10:18] <heinkel_111> hatake_kakashi: thank you...*goes back to wrestling with the right repositories, sudo apt-get and all that*....
[10:18] <nalioth_zZz> heinkel_111: it's best if you do it manually
[10:18] <kosh> and they are supposed to get even more cores
[10:18] <kosh> however writing code in c,c++,java,etc that scales efficiently is VERY VERY hard
[10:18] <xst> Where do I report bugs for the Kubuntu Dapper release?
[10:19] <nalioth_zZz> !bugtracker
[10:19] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:19] <kosh> I did an upgarde from breezy to dapper and that was interesting to get it working right :)
[10:19] <kosh> since xorg changed a lot
[10:19] <kosh> so my config file would not work anymore
[10:22] <xst> ok - in the same bugtracker as ubuntu? Apparently
[10:22] <nalioth_zZz> xst: ubuntu is the name of the distro, dapper is the code name for the next version
[10:23] <kosh> and if you tell anyone about the code there will be very bad consequences from the penguin mafia :)
[10:28] <duality> hi, is there any way of adjusting the graphics cards shared memory unde kubuntu? i chose 256Mb under windows and now i need to change it to lower
[10:29] <duality> i cant change it in bios either, but in windows i had 128/256Mb option
[10:29] <kosh> sorry no clue on that one
[10:29] <kormi> hi there all:)
[10:29] <duality> k
[10:29] <duality> hi
[10:29] <kormi> I am here new
[10:29] <heinkel_111> welcome kormi :)
[10:29] <kosh> how do you know how much it is using under linux?
[10:29] <kormi> thank u :)
[10:29] <kormi> just installed for the first time kubuntu :)
[10:30] <duality> i got 1024 in total and when i boot it shows about 750 from bios
[10:30] <duality> so that means its using 256
[10:30] <heinkel_111> kormi: you will find newbies like me and you here, and more experienced users that are quite helpful, thankfully :)
[10:30] <raphink> congrats kormi
[10:31] <kormi> :)
[10:31] <kormi> I have little problem now :D
[10:31] <kormi> I am on Compaq Presario M200, and my wifi seems to be down
[10:31] <kormi> hmm
[10:31] <frank23> duality: you have a shared memory video card using 256 MB of RAM?? Is it any good? If you don't play games change that to like 8 or 16 MB
[10:32] <kormi> i enabled it , and it disabled it in a while
[10:32] <kormi> interesting :)
[10:32] <root> hmm
[10:32] <root> mein Ubuntu geht wieder o,O
[10:32] <root> also die neue version
[10:32] <root> auch gut
[10:32] <root> WAH warum heis ich root xD
[10:32] <duality> frank23: i know but how do i change it? its the UMA buffer or something, i had the option to change it under windows, but how do i do it in linux?
[10:32] <kosh> no idea what you are saying
[10:32] <kevsti> ups falscher chan -.-
[10:32] <kosh> however rule #1 DO NOT IRC AS ROOT
[10:33] <mornfall> kosh: well -- it's he who will get rooted not you ;-)
[10:33] <frank23> duality: you could do it in windows? that was probably the driver doing it. is it intel? not sure if there is an equivalent way in linux
[10:33] <kormi> Does anybody now st about WIFI in KUBUNTU ?:) pliz msg me
[10:33] <kormi> :)
[10:34] <duality> frank23: yes, the ati tools
[10:34] <frank23> duality: what options do you have in bios?
[10:34] <duality> frank23: i dont have the option to change it in bios
[10:34] <duality> lol @ ati
[10:34] <kosh> mornfall: it is a very bad idea anyways and all newbies should be told that
[10:34] <kosh> it sould not even be possible to run these programs as root
[10:34] <heinkel_111> kormi: did you try a search on http://www.kubuntuforums.net
[10:34] <heinkel_111> ?
[10:34] <kosh> by default root should not be allowed to run anything and only specific programs should then be added to the allowed apps that root can run
[10:34] <kormi> hmm, not :)
[10:35] <kormi> should I? ;)
[10:35] <heinkel_111> i dont have wifi on linux myself, but i think it is not unusual to have some problems that needs fixing
[10:35] <heinkel_111> no ... don't do it :P
[10:35] <duality> ill have to install windows and change it then reinstall Kubuntu i think =(
[10:35] <frank23> duality: do you think changes stick like that?
[10:36] <mornfall> kosh: unix has a long tradition of absolutely not getting in your way when you want to shoot yourself
[10:36] <duality> frank23: they do
[10:36] <raphink> mornfall: lol
[10:36] <frank23> duality: what does cat /proc/meminfo give you?
[10:36] <kosh> mornfall: some things are deviating from that
[10:36] <duality> frank23: the changes show in bios at boot, for how much RAM is counted
[10:36] <mornfall> kosh: (or alternatively, unix gives you enough rope to hang yourself... and then few meters more just in case)
[10:36] <kosh> mornfall: like kde and gnome both warning you if you try to do stuff as root
[10:37] <kosh> mornfall: and some server programs refusing to run as root like zope for instance, even if you start it as root it will switch to another user, you can not force it to run as root
[10:37] <frank23> duality: that option should be in bios. If not, it still should be
[10:37] <duality> frank23: wich line should i look at?
[10:37] <kosh> frank23: it is probably in the bios on the video card and can only be programmed from the windows driver
[10:37] <frank23> duality: memtotal
[10:37] <duality> its not in bios belive me, ive even upgraded to newest bios
[10:37] <kosh> you probably have to change it from windows
[10:37] <mornfall> kosh: yes i know -- but those apps are usually so full of holes you *really* don't want them to access root, aren't they? ;-)
[10:37] <duality> MemTotal:       773436 kB
[10:38] <duality> but i got 2 512 MB sticks
[10:38] <frank23> kosh: ok. I didn't know that existed. is it only ati cards shared on ati chipset MB?
[10:38] <kosh> mornfall: well zope is probably the most secure environment out there
[10:38] <frank23> duality: I guess you're right
[10:38] <kosh> frank23: all video cards have a bios in them
[10:38] <kosh> frank23: you just normally don't notice it
[10:38] <duality> frank23: yeah, ati XPRESS 200M
[10:38] <mornfall> kosh: zope?
[10:38] <mornfall> kosh: are you sure?
[10:38] <frank23> kosh: yeah I know that...
[10:39] <mornfall> isn't it built on python?
[10:39] <kosh> mornfall: web app server
[10:39] <frank23> duality: there still might be a linux utility that can do it though. I don't know
[10:39] <kosh> yup it is built in python
[10:39] <duality> yeah ill keep looking a bit before reinstalling , thnx anyways frank23
[10:39] <mornfall> i don't trust python the slightest bit (ever tried to run it in valgrind?)
[10:39] <kosh> it has better security then any java, php, perl, ruby, etc framework
[10:40] <duality> i thought id choose 256MB for XGL
[10:40] <mornfall> that's a bold statement too :)
[10:40] <duality> will 128 be enough
[10:40] <duality> ?
[10:40] <kosh> check the security reports on it
[10:41] <mornfall> i would almost say that by the virtue of complexity it has to be less secure than simplistic systems :)
[10:41] <kosh> the entire codebase has been audited many times
[10:41] <frank23> duality: my guess is even less than 128 would be enough for XGL. not much happening compared to a game
[10:41] <mornfall> kosh: i think that's true for sendmail and it doesn't give it much in terms of security reputation :)
[10:41] <duality> frank23: k
[10:42] <mornfall> kosh: there were 3 fairly unfortunate advisories abot zope in 2002
[10:42] <mornfall> i guess it's comparable to bind9 in these terms :)
[10:43] <kosh> not exploitable without an account with edit privelages and document creation privelages
[10:43] <kosh> so a user of the website can't exploit it
[10:43] <mornfall> ZCatalog plug-in index support capability for Zope 2.4.0 through 2.5.1
[10:43] <mornfall> allows anonymous users and untrusted code to bypass access
[10:43] <mornfall> restrictions and call arbitrary methods of catalog indexes. (CAN-2002-0688)
[10:43] <mornfall> it says anonymous user
[10:44] <kosh> that one is not harmful in practice
[10:44] <mornfall> and a dos that allows shutting down zope with forged headers
[10:44] <kosh> you can call the method but the return from the method is checked for security and it gets blocked for that
[10:44] <mornfall> there's one denial of service with bind9 since 2002 -- and it's still considered insecure
[10:44] <kosh> so one part of the security failed but another part catches it
[10:44] <glick> hey does xgl work with any desktop?
[10:44] <kosh> still a bug but not very serious
[10:45] <mornfall> and, well, i wouldn't trust zope to manage my boots
[10:45] <frank23> duality: oh and xgl only works in dapper
[10:45] <mornfall> (boots as in shoes)
[10:45] <mornfall> no matter
[10:45] <kosh> mornfall: it has the best security record of any of the frameworks I have seen
[10:46] <mornfall> kosh: the only thing that tells to me is that web app frameworks have poor security record (which is nothing new) :)
[10:46] <kosh> mornfall: the java, perl, php, ruby etc frameworks I have looked at usually accumulate more problems in a week then zope has in the last 7 years
[10:46] <ganymed> hallo
[10:46] <ganymed> i need some help with kvpnc
[10:46] <kosh> mornfall: that seems like a darn good record, only about 5-6 problems in the last 7 years and none serious
[10:46] <glick> is anyone running kde 3.5.1?
[10:47] <ganymed> yes
[10:47] <kosh> mornfall: the linux kernel and just about everything else has a FAR worse record then that
[10:47] <mornfall> i can't seem to find any security advisory about RoR for that matter
[10:47] <glick> ganymed, is that much more stable then 3.4?
[10:47] <ganymed> what do you mean?
[10:47] <kosh> mornfall: ror does not even include any kind of security framework, everything is allowed by default
[10:47] <glick> ganymed, oh i thought you were saying "yes" to me
[10:47] <ganymed> ?
[10:47] <kosh> mornfall: hard to have a broken security setup that way ;)
[10:48] <glick> ganymed, nevermind
[10:48] <mornfall> ruby has sandboxing as part of the language as far as i know
[10:48] <heinkel_111> will this be a correct url for the multiverse repository? ---> http://countrycode.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[10:48] <mornfall> either way, i do not use web frameworks... useless
[10:48] <ganymed> all the progs that used to work still work, the ones that do not, still don't (except the network modul, which i haven't tested, yet)
[10:48] <mornfall> so i could care less
[10:49] <[Nige] > how do I disable the system bell?
[10:49] <kosh> mornfall: so how would you suggest to build large corporate intranet systems with tens of thousands to millions of documents?
[10:49] <ganymed> kvpnc always wants that i enter a password for my wlan, but it doesn't provide me with a prompt or sth. vpn works... any ideas?
[10:50] <mornfall> definitely not by using python :)
[10:51] <kosh> mornfall: http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/release24-maint/Misc/README.valgrind
[10:51] <simian> yesterday i took my first apache step and set up 2 linux box on a network and made one of them an apache web server and the other could read the pages off of it
[10:51] <kosh> mornfall: by default valgrind does not work with how python allocates memory correctly even though it does not leak
[10:51] <simian> but that was only usung a lan ip 192.168 and so on - what do i have to do to let everyone access it?
[10:52] <mornfall> kosh: python interpreter is a massive kludge -- not unlike the language itself :)
[10:53] <[Nige] > any ideas?
[10:53] <mornfall> kosh: as for valgrind, i am not talking about leaks
[10:53] <mornfall> more about ==8952== ERROR SUMMARY: 893 errors from 113 contexts (suppressed: 0 from 0)
[10:53] <mornfall> that's valgrind running on an empty program
[10:53] <kosh> mornfall: so what do you think the problem is? about the only language I can think of that is probably better would be something like lisp
[10:53] <mornfall> (no other interpreter i used suffers from this)
 you only need port 80 re-directed to the server
[10:54] <mornfall> kosh: python is awful language sorry
[10:54] <kosh> mornfall: that is covered in the url I gave to you, valgrind gets confused because python uses pymalloc
[10:54] <kosh> mornfall: so can you actually answer any question other then just trolling?
[10:55] <simian> rumple: ok i better get my ruters manual out thatn...thanks
[10:55] <mornfall> kosh: the problem? the language is inconsistent, most features are bolted on the original design and somehow don't fit
[10:55] <mornfall> kosh: scoping is all messed up
 most welcome
[10:56] <mornfall> i was thruogh this flame long ago so i don't even recall everything
[10:56] <mornfall> i have stayed away from python after trying to use it few times
[10:56] <kosh> mornfall: so can you give a single specific thing and not just throw generalizations?
[10:56] <kosh> mornfall: however you still did not cover how you could do a very large app without using any of the frameworks, any security you write yourself will end up being far worse
[10:57] <kosh> mornfall: and zope and python both have better security records then the kernel, apache and darn near everything else except qmail or postfix
[10:59] <Tonio_> hi
[11:01] <ganymed_> how do i setup kwallet?
[11:02] <kosh> ganymed_: hmm just run alt-f2 kwallet and it should walk you through the setup
[11:03] <glick> i dont get what kwallet is exactly
[11:04] <ganymed_> is kwallet used by kvpnc?
[11:04] <kosh> and encrypted password repository
[11:04] <puckman> anyone read this: http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127
[11:04] <kosh> no idea if it is used by that program
[11:04] <ganymed_> kosh: doesn't work
[11:05] <ganymed_> seems to be kwalletmanager
[11:05] <glick> is anyone running kde 3.5.1?
[11:05] <ganymed_> glick: are u asking again the same stuff?
[11:05] <kosh> I am running 3.5.1
[11:05] <glick> kosh, is it more stable then 3.4.3 cause i had some issues with that
[11:06] <ganymed_> great, kwalletmanager crashes...
[11:07] <glick> who would i send a pmount bug report too?
[11:08] <glick> the ubuntu project or the Author
[11:08] <glick> ?
[11:08] <kosh> glick: I have not had crashes in pretty much any version of kde in a very long time
[11:08] <kosh> glick: the arts crashes went away for me with 2.0 or so
[11:08] <glick> kosh, kongueror crashes ALL the time on me
[11:09] <heinkel_111> hello!
[11:10] <heinkel_111> how do i change default font size in kde for my root account?
[11:10] <locomorto> kosh: Have you used 3.3?
[11:10] <locomorto> That thing segfaulted on me like no tomorrow
[11:10] <heinkel_111> in Adept i get letters the size of "Jesus Comes" newspaper headlines
[11:10] <kosh> locomorto: I have used every version of kde since something before 1.0
[11:10] <glick> amarok is a sweet app
[11:10] <kosh> I almost never have konqueror crash
[11:11] <kosh> the only pages I have run into where ones that had really nasty javascript
[11:11] <heinkel_111> amaroK <3 <3 <3
[11:11] <locomorto> amaroK > sliced bread
[11:11] <kosh> however I don't have flash installed and won't allow it anywhere on this network and I usually leave javascript turned off
[11:11] <glick> whats wrong with flash?
[11:11] <locomorto> it well, sucks :)
[11:11] <glick> its not bad
[11:12] <glick> my friend developed this cool addictive ass game in flash calle quadradius
[11:12] <glick> ever hear of it?
[11:12] <locomorto> Well it depends, sometimes it works smooth as butter, and other times causes the house to come burning down even time you think of looking at a flash file :/
[11:13] <locomorto> No actually, link?
[11:13] <glick> www.quadradius.com
[11:13] <glick> the lobby is prolly dead now cause its 5am here
[11:13] <kosh> glick: well flash has had a bunch of security problems that macromedia seems to be happy to ignore for one
[11:14] <kosh> glick: it allows any flash app to write data locally that can be read by any other flash app
[11:14] <kosh> glick: it is probably the most annoying plugin ever
[11:14] <mornfall> kosh: for a small extract -- self. (or was it this.) everywhere, __foo__, (still?) impossible to inherit builtin types, runtime extension of objects only possible with big nasty hacks, no continuations, crippled closures (due to awkward scope rules)... that would be about what i can recall without much looking at it again
[11:14] <heinkel_111> (CRIES uhuuuuhuhu *Teaaars*) where in the world can I find the  gstreamer0.8-lame package?
[11:14] <kosh> glick: and by getting rid of you you block nearly all the crap
[11:15] <glick> heh
[11:15] <mornfall> kosh: anyway i do not want to debate the individual items -- you wanted concrete things so here they are
[11:15] <kosh> mornfall: you can inherit from any builtin type and have been able to do that for many years now, extending objects at runtime is trivial, self. is there on purpose and will not be changed since it is better to be explicit
[11:15] <kosh> mornfall: oh yeah and continuations have existed for about 3 years now also
[11:16] <mornfall> kosh: continuations? you mean stackless? stackless isn't python
[11:16] <kosh> mornfall: no I mean things like generators
[11:17] <glick> yeah kde apps are pretty sweet
[11:18] <locomorto> hopefully xgl and kde will play nice in time for dapper
[11:18] <glick> i think ill be perfectly happy with a humble 2-d desktop
[11:18] <glick> i just want to do work on my computer
[11:19] <mornfall> kosh: well, python generators... are they iterable yet? i'm not sure if this is what my problem with this was, but can i iterate a generated sequence like i would iterate normal iterator?
[11:19] <mornfall> kosh: (and no, generators are not it)
[11:19] <locomorto> Well its more the performance increases. Ok I lied. But there there :)
[11:19] <glick> if i want to see hot 3d eye-candy ill go to my local  strip club
[11:21] <kosh> mornfall: generators are always iterable
[11:22] <kosh> mornfall: all iteration in python is done with the iteration protocol, generators adhere to that protocol  that is how you can do for line in somefile:  and it will read the file in fairly small chunks at a time instead of all at once, the file object is a generator among other things
[11:23] <glick> heh k3b says my medium doesnt support write speed at 7024450x turning down speed to 8x
[11:23] <glick> hehe no crapp
[11:24] <kosh> this kind of stuff is why I try to get accurate information on things
[11:24] <kosh> glick: hehe, but wouldn't it be cool if that worked :)
[11:24] <glick> hehe
[11:24] <glick> mybe when quandum drives come out
[11:25] <hatake_kakashi> coasters.. anyone? :)
[11:25] <locomorto> What is this whole times thing anyway? I think they should just set 1x as 1bit per second then we culd have 1.024 x 10^12 x drives!
[11:27] <mornfall> kosh: for some reason my list-extended class is not iterable
[11:27] <glick> im runnin k3b on ubuntu-desktop
[11:27] <mornfall> ah okey
[11:27] <mornfall> i got it
[11:27] <simian> where can i find out my ip address (public)
[11:27] <mornfall> whatever :)
[11:27] <locomorto> www.whatismyip.com
[11:28] <reon> Anyone here know superkaramba ?
[11:28] <kosh> what I am looking forward to is later this year samsung is supposed to have 30gb flash drives come out for regular computer usage
[11:28] <mornfall> kosh: well, before i disappear, can you tell me how to extend an existing object?
[11:28] <nico8481> hi
[11:28] <simian> locomorto: thanks
[11:28] <glick> kosh, im sure the'll be nice and expensive too
[11:28] <kosh> $750, about 5% the power of a regular drive and 3 times faster with no moving parts
[11:28] <locomorto> only $1 dollar per megabyte too! I can just see it :'(
[11:28] <kosh> mornfall: you mean like just inheriting from a class or something else?
[11:29] <locomorto> only 3 times?
[11:29] <kosh> well at $750 for 30 gigs that is great for a database server
[11:29] <mornfall> kosh: hmh? no, i get an object from something and i want to add a method to the instance
[11:29] <kosh> yeah itis not a fast as regular ram
[11:29] <kosh> mornfall: oh instance.somemethod = method
[11:29] <locomorto> kosh: what about the limited writes?
[11:30] <kosh> mornfall: for example you can do def foo(self, args): dosomething     and you can do anyobject.somemethod = foo
[11:30] <locomorto> I don't know if its just my flash file as well, but they seem to have a very low i/o operations per second
[11:30] <kosh> locomorto: about 500K writes/cell and the drive takes care of that on its own
[11:30] <locomorto> = not good for a database
[11:30] <kosh> locomorto: you will stop using the device before you exceed the writes on it
[11:31] <kosh> locomorto: if you just replace the drives every few years you will have no issues, most hard drives don't survive long enough to even get that many writes to a sector
[11:31] <locomorto> I thought the whole point of putting a flash drive in a server would be that it wouldn't die often?
[11:32] <mornfall> kosh: i know i tried that but it did not work for me (i probably needed to add a whole bunch of methods eventually not knowing their names -- extend an object with a new class)
[11:32] <kosh> mornfall: in python all functions are first class objects, there is no distinction between a string attribute and a method that you add
[11:32] <locomorto> It not like its cheaper (yet)
[11:32] <locomorto> Its*
[11:32] <kosh> mornfall: all functions are is just callable objects
[11:32] <glick> omg!
[11:33] <kosh> locomorto: it would still end up being cheaper, you would save a lot in power
[11:33] <glick> when k3b finihes burnin whos bright idea was to make it play a bugle thingie
[11:34] <locomorto> *tries to remember physics from last year*
[11:34] <mornfall> kosh: shame i rmd the code i wrote for that, but i know the foo.x = something did not work for the situation (it ended up being horribly messy by either hardcoding what i add to the object or using some method_missing equivalent that had to look up methods in different objects)
[11:35] <glick> hey does kubuntu come with a decent firewall setup app?
[11:36] <mornfall> kosh: (which is generally the problem with python i have, things that i expect to work (like, when you use some language you expect some things to work -- works with ruby very well, works with c++, works with scheme) -- they don't... they have somehow different semantics or just don't support what i want to do... python always felt terribly limiting in what it allows me to do, and, well, kludgy in that many of the concepts did not extend ...
[11:36] <mornfall> ... to their usual generality)
[11:36] <heinkel_111> anybody here knows how to install lame? i cannot find any lame-related package?
[11:36] <kosh> python is more closely related to lisp then it is to c++ and java
[11:37] <mornfall> it is probably me (well not only me, i know many people having this same problem with python)
[11:37] <kosh> people that come from c++ and those style of languages often have a harder time
[11:37] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3228.0 <---guide in this thread doens't work because packages are not where they are said to be
[11:37] <mornfall> c++ and java are not too related for that matter
[11:37] <kosh> that is the problem of people that say they know 10+ programming languages but they really just know 1 and write it in all of them
[11:37] <mornfall> c++ is a very different language from what many people use it as
[11:38] <kosh> however the way that many people use c++ is how java is designed in part
[11:38] <mornfall> not really, i definitely don't write ruby in c++ nor the other way around
[11:38] <kosh> they have similar semantics
[11:38] <mornfall> my ruby is usually full of blocks and closures
[11:38] <mornfall> and c++ full of templates :)
[11:38] <mornfall> java does generics, which are very far from templates
[11:38] <mornfall> c++ can do mixins a lot better than java
[11:39] <mornfall> but java can do it at runtime, unlike c++
[11:39] <mornfall> (but you can only mix in an interface, not a full object, which is shame)
[11:39] <mornfall> same thing, extending java objects through proxies works fine, but when you try to use it on a full object it fails
[11:40] <mornfall> in a dynamic language (as java is), one would probably expect it to work
[11:40] <sniff> anyone anble to tell me the command to use apt-get to download, compile and install from source please?
[11:40] <mornfall> (what is such a problem in extracting an interface from an existing object?)
[11:40] <kosh> sniff: why do you want to do that?
[11:41] <sniff> why not ;)?
[11:41] <sniff> i would like to try at least
[11:41] <mornfall> kosh: hmm, AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'test'
[11:41] <mornfall> kosh: i probably did it wrong? >>> foo.test = mymethod
[11:41] <sniff> i read the man for apt-get, but i'm still unsure which commands i need to use
[11:42] <kosh> mornfall: you can inherit from the built in types and add things to what you have inherited from but you can not alter the built in types
[11:43] <mornfall> kosh: bultin types are not objects?
[11:43] <kosh> mornfall: however it isnot necessary to alter the built in types since your object could be used anywhere the bult in type could be used
[11:43] <mornfall> kosh: instances of them that is
[11:43] <mornfall> kosh: but i need to add methods to something i get from someone else
[11:43] <kosh> mornfall: they are objects but they don't allow alteration for predictability
[11:44] <mornfall> kosh: when i get something i don't know what it is (just an object), can i add my methods to it?
[11:44] <kosh> mornfall: so take what you got from someone else and turn it into another object like make a mylist and hand it the list object
[11:44] <mornfall> kosh: what happens if that someone returns a tuple instead?
[11:44] <locomorto> ok whoever said the flash drive would save money over time (lower power consumption)
[11:44] <kosh> mornfall: the reason that all the built in stuff can not be altered is so you don't have a situation where a string object does not behave like a string object, if something is going to be different it has to be different
[11:45] <kosh> locomorto: I did
[11:45] <locomorto> total cost of a typical hardrive running 24/7 for 6 years is ((30 x 24 x 365 x 6) / 1 000) * .14 = $AU 220.75200
[11:45] <mornfall> kosh: right, but that is a poor substitute for type safety that is also very limiting :)
[11:45] <kosh> mornfall: you can wrap it in anything, you could make a trivial wrapper class
[11:45] <locomorto> It took so long because I had to check how much it costs per kilowatt hour
[11:45] <kosh> mornfall: the whole thing is still type safe,  the reason for not altering built ins has nothing to do with type safety
[11:46] <locomorto> Note, that is pricing in australia, not america so it may be less/more then the exchange rate
[11:46] <kosh> mornfall: it is the same reason python does not have a macro system yet, it won't be added until a way can be figured out for it not to change behavior of code without it looking different
[11:47] <kosh> locomorto: the more heat you product the more cooling you need also, so a hard drive burns energy in the power it takes it but also in the power it takes to cool it, you also have a problem of a far higher failure rate which has to be averaged into the cost for running it
[11:47] <mornfall> kosh: but why is that only limited to bulitin types? if a library has its type it is ok to twist and change it to your liking but not a bultin? what's so special about builtins
[11:47] <kosh> locomorto: and you also have the issue of it taking more hard drives to get the same performance out of the database
[11:47] <kosh> mornfall: it is so the language is predictable, you can't change the language structures either
[11:48] <kosh> mornfall: it is all for maintenance purposes, readability etc
[11:48] <mornfall> kosh: right, bondage and discipline -- i was looking for the term wrt python since morning :)
[11:48] <mornfall> kosh: exactly what i am not looking for in a language
[11:49] <kosh> if you do a = "something" then it is ALWAYS a simple string type and it will behave in a certain way period
[11:49] <mornfall> kosh:
[11:49] <kosh> you can not redefine that all of those things should compare differently, redefine how upper works etc
[11:50] <kosh> my experience working on c++ projects where people did change the basic structures of the language have been disasterous
[11:50] <kosh> debugging became largely futile
[11:50] <locomorto> Still, I don;t think your going to get more performance out a flash drive in a database server.
[11:50] <kosh> and even in lisp they recommend to never do that
[11:50] <mornfall> kosh: so if i want to get an ordered container of strings in army ordering (length first, then lexicographic), i will have to go through some hoops i guess? does the sorted sequence in python allow passing own compare function? :)
[11:50] <kosh> locomorto: you should get at least a 3x boost out of it if not a little more since all seeks are constant time
[11:51] <kosh> mornfall: you can pass any kind of comparison function you want
[11:52] <kosh> locomorto: databases are largely random access io which is a worse case for a regular hard drive
[11:52] <ganymed_> does anybody know why kvpnc asks for a user password on the debug console, though the password is entered in the conf dialogue?
[11:52] <mornfall> kosh: hmm, what's the python sorted container called i can't seem to find it :|
[11:52] <kosh> list
[11:53] <mornfall> sorted as in sorted
[11:53] <mornfall> ascending/descending, iterable in sorted order after insertion
[11:53] <mornfall> something like std::set -- you need sorted sets of items all the time
[11:54] <kosh> I don't know of a built in for that however you can use a list for that, you can sort the list, it will retain its order and you can do sorted insertions
[11:54] <mornfall> *blink*
[11:54] <mornfall> so i have to write own sorted set? well at least the builtin one does not suffer from the sort-order specification problem
[11:55] <kosh> to be honest I can't think of a single time in the last 10 years when a datatype like what you describe would be useful to me
[11:55] <simian> i think that i have forwarded all trafic from port 80 to <IP_ADDRESS>   but when i enter my ip address i just get some info about my router
[11:55] <mornfall> kosh: you must be coding very different things than me
[11:55] <kosh> mornfall: in the last few years all items I want sorted I use a generator with so I only have on in existance at a time
[11:55] <kosh> mornfall: or coding in a very different way
[11:55] <mornfall> kosh: binary search trees are very fundamental
[11:55] <mornfall> in algorithm design
[11:56] <mornfall> it gives you lots of nice asymptotic guarantees
[11:56] <kosh> mornfall: for instance I will pull a list of records from a db but it will be sorted when I get them and I will iterate over them as I go
[11:56] <mornfall> well, i guess people nowadays use sql to do intersections on data sets
[11:56] <sniff> what program can i use to convert a dvd to... say... divx/xvid?
[11:56] <kosh> most of the time I don't sort anything
[11:57] <kosh> mornfall: a round trip to the database is so expensive it is far faster for you to tell the database to do as much of the work as possible and just hand you the set to work with
[11:57] <mornfall> it's been long time since i wrote a program that did not use sorted container :)
[11:57] <mornfall> kosh: i don't work with databases -- sql is not flexible enough most of the time and as you say, roundtrips are too expensive
[11:58] <kosh> mornfall: I recently replaced a system that had about 1000 lines of sql in one query and did over a hundred round trips to the database, the new query is about 20-30 lines and makes no round trips just a single call
[11:58] <kosh> morrow: mostly I work with object databases but I do some relational db work, when you have a client with a lot of data though you need some kind of database
[11:59] <kosh> mornfall: since you can't do financial stuff directly to a filesystem since they are not acid compliant
[11:59] <mornfall> i am a computer science man, no databases
[11:59] <mornfall> databases are the boring courses, nothing much else :)
[12:00] <mornfall> i am not meant to be practical
[12:00] <kosh> I build stuff for clients that have to adhere to all kinds of regulations
[12:00] <kosh> if we lose credit card information, don't handle it properly etc we are in trouble
[12:00] <mornfall> fortunately i don't have that kind of clients
[12:01] <kosh> we have some clients whose websites consist of about 30K pages with about 3K people that edit it
[12:01] <kosh> each of them with different permissions on what they can edit etc
[12:02] <mornfall> you'll probably sooner catch me doing distributed verification than anything related to web
[12:03] <mornfall> and i don't take your python from you, many bondage and discipline languages are very successful (java and python among others) -- management loves languages that enforce policies
[12:03] <kosh> the most freeform language would be lisp
[12:04] <kosh> however everyone defines bondage and discipline differently
[12:04] <mornfall> lisp and perl :)
[12:04] <mornfall> and probably ruby, it is also very freeform
[12:04] <kosh> I certainly think that c++,c and java define stuff far more strictly then python does
[12:04] <mornfall> and c++ -- which is why i don't know why it is so widely used in business apps
[12:04] <kosh> lisp is more freeform then ruby and perl are
[12:04] <mornfall> yes and no
[12:05] <mornfall> lisp has no syntax
[12:05] <kosh> actually there are ways in python that you could redefine some of the basic things, however if you do it you will probalby end up being shot
[12:05] <mornfall> perl and ruby have lots of syntax
[12:05] <kosh> it is possible although not advised and not very well documented but you can modify the parse tree in python
[12:06] <mornfall> it may also break with new version, may it not?
[12:06] <kosh> no it is standardized
[12:06] <fek> moin
[12:06] <kosh> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/277940   that is an example of it
[12:07] <mornfall> anyway, as for language strictness -- i don't mostly speak of what can be done
[12:07] <mornfall> it's all turing complete -- everything can be done
[12:07] <mornfall> it's on what is fluently and naturally expressed in the language
[12:08] <mornfall> i guess you can't even overload operators in python
[12:08] <kosh> you can
[12:08] <mornfall> like you can't in java
[12:09] <mornfall> kosh: that is then very much against the immutability of core language philosophy :)
[12:09] <kosh> and unlike java you have multiple inheritance, can define any inheritance resolution function you want (most people leave it at the default) and you can change the inheritance at runtime
[12:10] <kosh> mornfall: it is not against that at all, multiple inheritance won't change the meaning of the built in structures in any way
[12:10] <mornfall> kosh: operator overloading
[12:10] <mornfall> kosh: when + starts doing modular addition with some arbitrary modulus, that's definitely change in language
[12:10] <Tsagadai> ive still got problems with kde windows,fonts and icons being too big
[12:11] <glick> mornfall, pythn does have operator overloading
[12:11] <mornfall> __mul__ ew
[12:12] <mornfall> talk about ugliness...
[12:12] <kosh> mornfall: 5 + 5 can't be overridden  5 + yourcustomobject can be
[12:12] <mornfall> was it added somewhere in the course of language development? (it looks like it)
[12:12] <kosh> mornfall: nope that was there from the beginning
[12:12] <glick> mornfall, whats so ugly about it?
[12:13] <mornfall> the __decoration__
[12:13] <glick> deal
[12:13] <glick> or use c++
[12:14] <graeme> what is the latest version of KDE for 64bit
[12:16] <kosh> mornfall: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/98  that example shows adding a method to a class, instance, and instance inherited from a base type at runtime
[12:17] <mornfall> let's put a stop to this
[12:17] <mornfall> it's a waste of everyone's time
[12:17] <kosh> well I am going to bed anyways
[12:19] <kosh> there are things about python that are bad, there are things about every language that are bad, however I don't like inaccurate information
[12:20] <kosh> most of the things people believe are not true and it causes many problems
[12:32] <nico8481> re
[12:33] <Henk> Is there any way to speed up loading of firefox? keeping it persistant or something like that ?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Henk: IIRC, there's a howto on ubuntuforums.com for this
[12:35] <holy_fool> gotta question. i downloaded unrar(rarlinux-3.4.1.tar.gz) unpacked it to an dir, but what to do next with the files....
[12:36] <Hobbsee> !+compile
[12:36] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[12:36] <holy_fool> thx
[12:45] <Henk> Hobbsee, i could find swiftfox (wich indeed is somewhat faster) and fasterfox (wich does not seem to speed up load times, just has some network option like preloading wich i dont need) was that what you meant or did i overlook something
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yes.  a custom user.js file is also useful
[12:46] <Hobbsee> i'll pastebin mine for you - it's not commented, but it works really nicely
[12:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: that sort of reminds me about my dotfile hacks... they aren't commented either but they work really nicely (for me)
[12:48] <mornfall> sometimes
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Henk: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/621487
[12:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i got the stuff off the net, and didnt comment off it as i copy pasted
[12:48] <Henk> is there btw a way to stop the "application loading" with bouncing logo that keeps running until it times out after starting a second firefox ?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Henk: when you find it, please tell me
[12:53] <Henk> Hobbsee, i will
[12:54] <Sechs> Hi
[12:54] <Sechs> Someone knows if i can convert from fat32 to ntfs, without losing the data on the partition ?
[12:55] <Sechs> I suppose it's ok with Partition magic, but i'm affraid to lost my data if i convert
[12:55] <VRWarper> windows xp has a conversion tool as well
[12:55] <_mindspin> I would do it with the windows tool
[12:55] <VRWarper> why would you convert it to ntfs? >_>
[12:55] <RogueJediAxl> Me too
[12:56] <Sechs> Wel i have part magic so the tool itself isnt the problem..just wanted to know if i'll lose my data if i convert the HD ?
[12:56] <Sechs> VRWarper>> because Linux can't write on NTFS right ?
[12:56] <_mindspin> when you do it with partition magic , it could be not working properly
[12:56] <Sechs> Only on FAT32 ?
[12:57] <Sechs> Or i misunderstood...
[12:57] <ganymed_> does anybody know why kvpnc asks for a user password on the debug console, though the password is entered in the conf dialogue?
[12:57] <Sechs> FAT32 is ok for Linux to write and all ?
[12:57] <VRWarper> right
[12:57] <VRWarper> i really have to get a new keyboard
[12:57] <VRWarper> anyway
[12:57] <Sechs> Partition magic worked great till now...but yeah i can  try the XP tool if you say it's better
[12:58] <_mindspin> I ve messed a whole HD with partition magic once
[12:59] <crrj> Whenever you're messing with partitions it is a good idea to make a backup of your data before starting.
[12:59] <Sechs> So just 2 questions before i make something stupid and lost all my data : NTFS isnt' Linux's friends, but it will work great with FAT32 right ? And...i'm sure no to lost my data if i convert the disk taht contains them ?
[01:00] <crrj> Or, if you're using XP there are tools to allow you to mount ext2/3 file systems in XP as though they were native. I use it on my dual boot box and it works quite well
[01:00] <VRWarper> why does it take so long to format ntfs >< why oh why ><
[01:00] <VRWarper> i had to install xp on a machine with a 300gb harddrive
[01:01] <VRWarper> the formatting took at least an hour -_-
[01:01] <Sechs> that's what i have
[01:01] <Sechs> (with partitions)
[01:01] <Sechs> But one hour seems a little too long
[01:01] <Sechs> It's more like 45 mn anyway..
[01:01] <VRWarper> for 300GB?
[01:01] <Sechs> It's still ong :p
[01:01] <VRWarper> ><
[01:01] <VRWarper> its long very long
[01:02] <VRWarper> so long that i installed linux,, installed all the programs that i needed
[01:02] <VRWarper> on another machine
[01:02] <VRWarper> then left
[01:02] <VRWarper> :D i decided that ill continue on monday
[01:02] <Sechs> U can make partitions too with 300 giga like me : one for XP, on for Linux and one for datas
[01:03] <_mindspin> or wipe out XP at all which seems for me the best solution ;-)
[01:03] <Sechs> Well i think XP will say good bye soon anyway
[01:03] <Sechs> :D
[01:04] <crrj> If I were installing XP on a drive that size I'd have about a 50 gig partition for the OS then the rest for data. That way if the OS gets hosed you don't have to worry about the data in a reformat.
[01:04] <VRWarper> :< but i still want to play games
[01:04] <crrj> also faster for the initial install
[01:04] <VRWarper> then again, truth be told i dont play games very often
[01:05] <Henk> Hobbsee, Rightclick firefox icon in kde [menu|bar] . -> configure -> application -> advanced option -> deselect 'launch feedback'
[01:06] <Sechs> There is not a lot of games on Linux, right ?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Sechs: there are a fair few, but a lot arent windows games...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> as in, often the windows games dont have a linux port
[01:07] <Sechs> I didnt search for the answer since i dont play often, but i'd like too and it's the only bad point for Linux
[01:07] <Sechs> It's a shame still...the editors should think Linux too :/
[01:08] <VRWarper> there are also some windows games that cant run in linux via wine/winex
[01:08] <Sechs> But i assume it's a lot of work too
[01:08] <Blippe> there is cedega and wine for the most popular...
[01:08] <crrj> Would you really want a game that's as addictive as Civ IV available in Linux?
[01:08] <Sechs> Just for example, what's the best doom like on Linux ?
[01:08] <VRWarper> rofl WoW
[01:08] <Blippe> crrj, we got freeciv, it is worse...
[01:09] <crrj> Being stuck on dial-up online games are not really an option
[01:09] <mornfall> freeciv is a real timekiller yes
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Henk: cant see it..will have more of a look later
[01:09] <RogueJediAxl> Also, Alpha Centauri and Civilization: Call to Power run natively on Linux
[01:09] <crrj> Blippe, so far I've managed to resist the urge to install that package
[01:09] <Sechs> Yeah but no FPS ?
[01:09] <Blippe> keep on being strong!
[01:10] <Sechs> (yes i know, i'm basic)
[01:10] <VRWarper> cs is said to work fine in linux :)
[01:10] <JakubS> quake3, ut2004, enemy territory
[01:10] <Blippe> Sechs, there are a few. some people are for example playing doo4
[01:10] <VRWarper> not that i paly cs :/
[01:10] <mornfall> Blippe: try nexuiz
[01:10] <RogueJediAxl> Isn't nexuiz a bit resource-hungry?
[01:10] <mornfall> Blippe: especially if your card can do shader effects :)
[01:10] <JakubS> mornfall: does it have any online servers
[01:10] <JakubS> ?
[01:10] <mornfall> JakubS: no idea
[01:11] <JakubS> i915 kinda works, but i had to disable effects :-(
[01:11] <mornfall> i have i915 too :)
[01:11] <mornfall> but it doesn't do shader anything
[01:11] <mornfall> well, not in >5 fps
[01:11] <Sechs> Nexuiz looks not too bad judging from some pics
[01:11] <mornfall> which is a tad bit little for FPS :)
[01:11] <JakubS> what is quite weird because i915 is supposed to have hw shading
[01:12] <mornfall> JakubS: is it?
[01:12] <mornfall> i thought i915 was about as low-end as it gets
[01:12] <Sechs> Oh, totally other question, but i'm trying to install java runtime since yesterday, and soooo..nothing.
[01:12] <VRWarper> well..
[01:12] <Sechs> I already read helps and all but i can't understand
[01:12] <VRWarper> i wonder if its possible to get i810 to run it
[01:12] <JakubS> http://www.intel.com/design/graphics/gma900/
[01:12] <Sechs> ANd i realy need it for some appz
[01:13] <JakubS> 'pixel shader 2.0'
[01:13] <Henk> did anyone see novel's xgl demo with the 3d game running smoothly on the side of the 3d desktop cube.... damn that looked cool
[01:13] <Sechs> So if someone know how to...
[01:13] <Sechs> He'll be my god for the day :p
[01:14] <VRWarper> java runtime?
[01:14] <glick> Henk, yeah your the only who who just saw it
[01:14] <andrzej> how i can download my contact list in kopete witch gadu gadu?
[01:14] <Sechs> Yes VRWarper
[01:14] <Blippe> Sechs, let me count the ways possible to install suns java!
[01:14] <Sechs> do so
[01:14] <VRWarper> meh are you installing by downloading from sun?
[01:14] <JakubS> andrzej: it is downloaded from server automatically when you connect with kopete
[01:15] <andrzej> but not download
[01:15] <Sechs> I dl it from sun yes...i have an rpm bin and a bin
[01:15] <Sechs> I dont know wich one and how to use it
[01:15] <Blippe> i don't even know where to start, but i guess ubotu knows
[01:15] <Blippe> !javadebs
[01:15] <andrzej> JakubS jeste z polski?
[01:15] <Sechs> I heard i should convert or somthng ?
[01:15] <JakubS> hm, i have still nexuiz installed, maybe i can find a server :-)
[01:15] <JakubS> andrzej: priv
[01:15] <Sechs> !javadebs
[01:16] <Blippe> Sechs, alien converts, but it aint a good idea!
[01:16] <Sechs> k...then another way maybe ?
[01:16] <Blippe> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy.  UNOFFICIAL debs of more recent JRE's can be found in Seveas's repositories.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:16] <mornfall> JakubS: well, my i915 desktop is headless now
[01:16] <Sechs> i386 yes...but if have amd64 ?
[01:16] <VRWarper> unofficial debs are nice :]
[01:16] <VRWarper> :|
[01:17] <JakubS> mornfall: i thought this chipset is only used in laptops
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: and i guess it's not the right game for a laptop
[01:17] <VRWarper> why amd64 why oh why ><
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: hmm
[01:17] <Sechs> lol
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: let me check :)
[01:17] <VRWarper> theres no particular advantage _yet_
[01:17] <VRWarper> just more pain
[01:17] <JakubS> if you connect normal mouse...
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: ah, i910
[01:17] <Sechs> oh or i'm maybe mistaken on this..wait...everest works on lniux ?
[01:17] <VRWarper> you mean like a living one?
[01:17] <mornfall> JakubS: almost :)
[01:17] <Sechs> or an app to see his process type
[01:17] <andrzej> JakubS nie moge do ciebie nic wyslac
[01:18] <andrzej> nie jestem zarejestrowany
[01:18] <mornfall> JakubS: fwiw, it should be same apart from memory controller? (ddr vs ddr2)
[01:18] <Sechs> I'm not sure now...i only know it's a sempron 3000
[01:18] <JakubS> mornfall: yes, it is almost the same
[01:18] <Sechs> How do i know if it's amd64 or i386 ?...mine should be amd64 right ?
[01:18] <JakubS> and graphic chip is uma900 in both cases
[01:19] <JakubS> i found nexuiz server, with nice ping too :-)
[01:21] <Sechs> No one can tells me for AMD64 pls ?
[01:21] <noteventime> ?
[01:22] <n3storm> Sechs: What is your question?
[01:23] <Blippe> Sechs, haeve you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaAMD64?highlight=%28java%29
[01:24] <JakubS> eh, nice ping wasn't so nice after all -> slideshow :-(
[01:26] <Sechs> Yes but Blippe, just to be sure, AMD 64 is for all Athlon and sempron processors ?
[01:26] <Wingede> anyone experienced issues with IBM netvista's - more so along the lines of crashing after being idle? .. doesn't seem to be kubuntu specific either
[01:26] <Sechs> I386 only for Intel ?
[01:26] <Wingede> Sechs: no i386 for AMD also
[01:27] <Wingede> but if you have a 64bit you probably want to use a x64 installation
[01:28] <Blippe> btw does the i in i386 stand for intel or ibm, i never remebers?
[01:28] <Sechs> ah damn...then how do i know what i have ?
[01:28] <Sechs> some app to identify i386 or amd64 ?
[01:28] <Blippe> what processor do you have?
[01:28] <DanielC> How do I configure my QT fonts? I can't read the QT toolbars.
[01:28] <Wingede> identify your processor or install type?
[01:29] <VRWarper> sechs
[01:29] <VRWarper> just reinstall
[01:29] <VRWarper> use i386
[01:29] <VRWarper> >< its the least painful method
[01:29] <Blippe> Sechs, in konsole "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[01:30] <VRWarper> otherwise youll have to use chroot (which essentially installs a 386 build anyway) for 386 apps that are not available in amd64
[01:30] <VRWarper> and for most people there is not much of a gain to use the 64bit vs 32bit (yet)
[01:30] <Blippe> DanielC, in the system settings!
[01:30] <DanielC> Blippe: I'm running Gnome.
[01:31] <DanielC> Blippe: My system settings only affects Gtk apps.
[01:31] <Blippe> DanielC, ok, start kcontrol then!
[01:31] <DanielC> thanks!
[01:33] <Blippe> DanielC, you might need another package for it to take effect, i'm not sure...
[01:33] <DanielC> Blippe: Nope. It worked fine. Thanks :)
[01:33] <Blippe> great, thanks for the info!
[01:38] <kokurya-kai> hi
[01:40] <kokurya-kai> what could be the problem if the system is running without any problems (2 sata drives), but wenn i connect two ide drives i get an grub 22 error or grub doesn't even start...
[01:42] <Sechs> back, sorry i was helping someone on...XP :( lol
[01:43] <Sechs> Yes identify my processor, it's a sempron 3000 and i dont know if its amd64 or i386
[01:43] <Sechs> i'll try your command lin
[01:44] <epinephrine> why would apt-get install wpasupplicant not install any config files or init scripts?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> epinephrine: it does, you have to enable and configure them
[01:45] <epinephrine> ../etc/init.d/wpasupplicant doesn't exist, nor does /etc/default/wpasupplicant, and I could have sworn they were example files to be edited
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:46] <angel__> hola
[01:46] <Hobbsee> nor /etc/wpasupplicant.conf?
[01:46] <epinephrine> nope.
[01:47] <angel__> algun kubuntero espaol en la sala?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> !es
[01:47] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:47] <Blippe> so Sechs what does it say?
[01:47] <epinephrine> I've spent more than 3 hours trying to get such a simple thing to work :<
[01:47] <epinephrine> given up on rt2x00 altogether, not a tiny bit of automaticness
[01:48] <Sechs> I copy paste ?
[01:48] <Sechs> on PM ?
[01:48] <Sechs> cause i cant find the usefull line
[01:48] <epinephrine> (it doesn't support wpasupplicant)
[01:50] <Blippe> Sechs, just paste the model name line here!
[01:51] <Sechs> model name      : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+
[01:53] <Blippe> Athlon sempron 3000+ is based on Athlon xp (that is 32 bits) and the 3100+ is based on Athlon 64 (that is 64 bits)
[01:53] <Blippe> you should have the i386-packages
[01:54] <Blippe> Sechs, it does have a 2000 MHz clockrate, rigth?
[01:54] <Sechs> Honnestly...i dont know lol
[01:54] <Sechs> I little more i think
[01:54] <Blippe> the line cpu MHZ what does it way?
[01:55] <Sechs> 1799
[01:55] <Sechs> .84 :)
[01:56] <Blippe> Sechs, you know which socket it has?
[01:57] <Sechs> It says nothing about this
[01:57] <Sechs> but i suppose it's an I386 finally ?
[01:58] <Blippe> well, either way, i386 works on both 64 and 32 bits processors!
[01:59] <Sechs> oh cool...so this is ok. now about the repositories (since i should add one for java)... i think i didnt quite understood how to add them
[01:59] <Sechs> For example : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages, i add only this line ?
[01:59] <Sechs> (ine Adept)
[01:59] <Sechs> *in
[02:00] <Blippe> Sechs, do you use the 64 bits kernel?
[02:00] <Sechs> I..don't think so
[02:00] <Sechs> Since i dont even know what it is..
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Sechs: no, you go to that link, and do what it tells you to do
[02:01] <Blippe> you see Amd aint all that nice, they sell two processors with the same name, one 64bits (usually running at 1800mhz, and a 32bits (at 2000mhz) so you got the 64 bits one. i know you could use the i386 kernel and software all the way through but i don't know if youre able to mix (i would guess not)
[02:02] <Sechs> hm ok, i add the lines who starts with deb and deb src
[02:02] <Blippe> Sechs, do as Hobbsee  tells you to!
[02:02] <Blippe> :D
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:53] (Russel/#kubuntu) is there no album -> export to html plugin in digikam?
[03:53] (Russel/#kubuntu) or should i install another plugin?
[03:56] <_warren> hello
[03:57] <Mi|o> hi
[03:57] <_warren> hi just wanted to see if this works.. I just installed Kubuntu
[03:57] <Mi|o> nice
[03:57] <_warren> :)
[03:58] <_warren> is this like a help channel ?
[03:58] <Mi|o> i don't know but if someone there knows, i think they will help
[03:59] <_warren> ok so you are here to chat?
[03:59] <_warren> thee is alot of ppl on the list  ---->
[04:00] <Mi|o> well i said that I don't know if this is a help channel
[04:00] <Mi|o> :P
[04:01] <metalhedd> it is a help channel, what else would it be?
[04:02] <_warren> it could be many things I guess
[04:02] <Mi|o> :P
[04:02] <Mi|o> i guess is better if you just ask :P
[04:03] <_warren> ya well I didnt want to be asking questions in the wrong place
[04:03] <bert> It's really a porno site in disguise
[04:04] <glick> anyone going to the boston linux expo?
[04:05] <bert> where's boston?
[04:06] <_warren> in united states
[04:07] <bert> near LA?
[04:07] <_warren> no closer to newyork
[04:09] <bert> new york was bombed
[04:09] <_warren> again?
[04:10] <inuka> hey, is there a kde version on BUM (boot up manager)? i just realised it installs a bunch of gnome libraries..
[04:10] <tijn> !xivd
[04:10] <ubotu> tijn: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:10] <tijn> 1xvid
[04:10] <tijn> !xvid
[04:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tijn
[04:10] <tijn> darn
[04:10] <tijn> !w32codecs
[04:10] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[04:18] <Sechs> Ok i need great help before i'm going crazy...one half day spent to find how to install java and still nothing  >_<...i tried eveything so if someone have it already and have a method...
[04:18] <Sechs> I installed it from repositories i found on apt-get.org but it says it's broken
[04:18] <laptop> hi,  can any1 help me with bypassing packet filters in kubuntu?
[04:18] <Sechs> Is there another site like this maybe ? Listing repositories
[04:21] <Mi|o> i have the same problem that Sechs has since like 3 months now
[04:21] <reon> hi
[04:21] <skribe> lo all
[04:22] <glick> c'mon
[04:22] <glick> why is it so hard to install java
[04:22] <reon> anyone here running xgl+compiz on Dapper i386+nvidia ?
[04:22] <glick> the wiki clearly explains how to install it
[04:22] <Mi|o> it doesn't want to get installed :P
[04:22] <Mi|o> let me check, i haven't done that
[04:22] <Mi|o> and it installs the plugin for firefox?
[04:23] <glick> yeah it tells you how to do it step by step
[04:23] <Mi|o> ok, lets see
[04:23] <Sechs> Well i tried many methods but nothing...the kubuntu wiki ?
[04:23] <Mi|o> i have my little brother without playing chess in yahoo because of this :P
[04:24] <glick> look up restricted formats in the ubuntu wiki
[04:25] <skribe> can anyone help with a weird kubuntu (live) problem on a flatscreen please?
[04:27] <Sechs> damn...i add 2 repositories in adept, it crashed and know it wont start :/
[04:27] <Sechs> Someone know how to fix this ?
[04:27] <_warren> you mean it wont re-boot?
[04:28] <Sechs> no, just i cant start adpet anymore
[04:28] <Sechs> *adept
[04:28] <Sechs> os synaptic
[04:28] <mornfall> apt-get update?
[04:28] <Sechs> *or
[04:28] <_warren> anytime i screw somthing up a re-boot usually fixes it
[04:28] <Sechs> no the graphical one
[04:28] <mornfall> sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <mornfall> that is
[04:28] <mornfall> Sechs: run that
[04:28] <mornfall> it may solve
[04:28] <Sechs> k
[04:28] <mornfall> if no, it will hint you what's wrong
[04:29] <Sechs> it says line 1 is bad in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:29] <Sechs> i should suppress it from here maybe
[04:29] <mornfall> that's it then
[04:30] <Sechs> whats the line already, to modify /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:30] <mornfall> i guess adept should syntax-check sources.list
[04:30] <mornfall> Sechs: sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:31] <laptop> can any1 guide me to a guide that can help me bypass packet filtering, It makes my gaming slow
[04:32] <Sechs> K it worked :)...thx mornfall
[04:33] <skribe> is there any known problem with the live DVD not displaying properly? can't find anything on the web at all...
[04:34] <Sechs> how do i change the path in the terminal ?
[04:37] <_martin> Hi. Can anyone recommend a cheap (probably less than 60 / $100) scanner that will work OOTB with Kubuntu Breezy? Brand new PC, so USB probably ideal. Epson? HP? What works for you?
[04:38] <n3storm> martin: epson is good choice
[04:38] <Sechs> Oh, i can't take it anymore :/...i think i'll go back to XP
[04:38] <zerovertex> Sechs export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/whatever   that will add whatever to the existing path
[04:39] <Sechs> like a half day to install something...
[04:39] <Sechs> It's annoying
[04:39] <_martin> n3storm: any particular model?
[04:39] <Sechs> (thx zero)
[04:39] <zerovertex> np
[04:39] <_warren> ya I dont think kubutu is ready to replace xp yet :(
[04:39] <Sechs> But damn i tried all the methods to install java and all fails...
[04:39] <n3storm> mm 64something are very good, but they need tweaking
[04:40] <n3storm> low numbers work directly
[04:40] <zerovertex> Automatix?
[04:40] <n3storm> 32sombething
[04:40] <Sechs> I think it warren, till i cant install a simple thing
[04:40] <n3storm> also, _martin , the multifuncitonal devices works ok without tweaking
[04:40] <zerovertex> Does Automatix do Java?
[04:40] <Sechs> XP >> DL, click, installed. Kubuntu >> rying 20 methods and still nothing
[04:40] <Chousuke> don't use automatix
[04:41] <n3storm> Chousuke: late for me, any way to go back?
[04:41] <_martin> n3storm: the m/f CX 6xxx devices?
[04:41] <Sechs> So dont tell me XP isnt more simple...
[04:41] <Chousuke> Sechs: Well, if Java was free, you could just aptitude install java. :)
[04:41] <n3storm> _martin: thats right
[04:41] <_warren> i just started using kubutu and it is alot of work to try and duplicat what comes natural to win xp
[04:42] <zerovertex> Sechs try one more think Automatix http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[04:42] <n3storm> _martin: have a look at this url
[04:42] <Chousuke> Sechs: but it's not, and sun doesn't even allow you to distribute it, so...
[04:42] <zerovertex> err..thing
[04:42] <Chousuke> !automatix
[04:42] <ubotu> automatix is, like, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[04:42] <Chousuke> !easyubuntu
[04:42] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[04:42] <n3storm> http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/index.html
[04:42] <zerovertex> well, Automatix worked like a champ for me.
[04:42] <Chousuke> but it's unsafe.
[04:43] <Sechs> how does easy ubuntu works ?
[04:43] <zerovertex> I didn't know that
[04:43] <_martin> n3storm: ok, great. If I can't stretch to the 100 ($180) or so for a m/f device, any specific version number of a scanner-only device you know of that works OOTB?
[04:43] <Chousuke> _warren: Don't try to use kubuntu like you would use windows :)
[04:43] <n3storm> cx32xx worked for me
[04:44] <_martin> n3storm: checking url -- thanks a lot
[04:44] <Chousuke> Personally I find Linux and Ubuntu to be much more usable than windows. :P
[04:44] <Sechs> O rly ? Then why can't i install something after hours of Googling ?
[04:44] <_warren> I realize that ..but simple things like scanners and cd should be a problem for any os
[04:44] <Sechs> No seriously, some things are still a little hard
[04:44] <glick> kubuntu is a Unix OS
[04:44] <glick> what do you expect dude?
[04:45] <Chousuke> Ubuntu has always worked like a charm for me.
[04:45] <zerovertex> Sechs, is there a Linux User group in your area
[04:45] <noteventime> Me too
[04:45] <Chousuke> then again, I haven't used windows in two years.
[04:45] <Sechs> Nope zero
[04:45] <Mi|o> :/ i'm not having look with java :P
[04:45] <Chousuke> Sechs: Try easyubuntu.
[04:45] <Sechs> k...
[04:45] <glick> _warren: i mean what do you want?
[04:45] <Mi|o> is better automatix
[04:46] <Mi|o> i guess :P
[04:46] <zerovertex> Sechs, I suggest finding the closest LUG and join the mailing list so you can meet others that are using Linux and learn from them.
[04:46] <_warren> does easy ubuntu have to be installed or is it lurking within the os somewhere?
[04:46] <zerovertex> I'll have to give easyubuntu a try also
[04:46] <_warren> downloaded i mean
[04:46] <Chousuke> I think easyubuntu was created because some ubuntu devs decided that automatix is unsafe.
[04:46] <Chousuke> _warren: it's not installed by default. read the wiki page.
[04:46] <sniff> !easyubuntu
[04:46] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[04:46] <glick> its just called following instructions
[04:47] <glick> following simple written instructions
[04:47] <_warren> ok i will give it a go:)
[04:47] <skribe> arghle... has anyone used the 5.10 DVD to boot a kubuntu live?
[04:47] <Chousuke> someone needs to package easyubuntu and stick it into main :P
[04:48] <Chousuke> or not.
[04:48] <sniff> i used automatix many times, i don't like it. I wrote a script that sets up my fave software better than automatix
[04:48] <Chousuke> it can't be in main since it installs non-free stuff :/
[04:48] <_warren> save as or open with ARK
[04:48] <zerovertex> easyubuntu looks sweet. I'll have to try that on my next reinstall which is due any day now.
[04:48] <tristanmike> !automatix
[04:48] <ubotu> automatix is probably unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[04:48] <Mi|o> where is that software sniff ?
[04:48] <Chousuke> _warren: save as.
[04:48] <_warren> k ty
[04:49] <Chousuke> _warren: then you need to do those commands shown in the page in the terminal
[04:49] <sniff> Mi|o: which software?
[04:49] <_warren> ok i will try now:)
[04:49] <Chousuke> _warren: in fact, you didn't have to download the package with firefox at all :P
[04:49] <Chousuke> since the terminal instructions include wget.
[04:49] <Chousuke> which downloads the package.
[04:50] <_warren> lol
[04:50] <Kr4t05> Eh
[04:50] <Mi|o> the software that you wrote sniff
[04:50] <sniff> so just skip the wget part right
[04:50] <Kr4t05> I can't get Kmid to work properly.
[04:50] <sniff> ah
[04:50] <_warren> ok i will let the terminal download it
[04:50] <sniff> Mi|o: it's on my computer :)
[04:50] <Kr4t05> I try to play a file and I get no output.
[04:50] <Mi|o> come on, what about the linux spirit? :P
[04:50] <Chousuke> _warren: learning your way around the terminal pays off.
[04:51] <Chousuke> _warren: it's more complicated than the GUI, but a lot more powerful for many tasks :)
[04:51] <sniff> i didn't like automatix installing totem in kubuntu, along with all those other softwares, such as 2 BT clients
[04:51] <Sechs> Ok i dled Easykubuntu and extracted it, but what now ?
[04:51] <_martin> n3storm: thanks for your help. bfn.
[04:51] <_warren> ok so I just copy those lines in the terminal
[04:51] <Mi|o> i like the bt clients, not totem
[04:51] <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to open a terminal and cd to the directory that you extracted the package into.
[04:51] <n3storm> _martin: not at all!
[04:51] <sniff> why do i need two clients? anyway i like ktorrent or utorrent (in x-office) better
[04:52] <Mi|o> Sechs: why don't you go to ubuntu forums, i installed it with the instructions given there
[04:52] <Mi|o> you know what i hate now that i moved to kubuntu!
[04:52] <Mi|o> that I have gnome and kde applications mixed :(
[04:52] <Kr4t05> Gee, this may seem redundant, but why won't Kmid play midi files? That is what it's supposed to do, right?
[04:52] <Chousuke> Sechs: crash course to unix terminal: cd changes current directory,  ls lists files, cp copies files and mv moves them.
[04:52] <sniff> Mi|o: i really hate that too
[04:52] <Mi|o> jajaja Kr4t05
[04:53] <Mi|o> actually i found some instructions sniff but they didn't work
[04:53] <sniff> instructions for what?
[04:53] <Sechs> ok i see...but i still don't get the thing  to install from files i dled ?
[04:53] <sniff> seperating the menus>?
[04:53] <Mi|o> they are supossed to separate the gnome and kde applications to their respective environments
[04:53] <Mi|o> but it is not working
[04:53] <sniff> yeah that would be good
[04:53] <Chousuke> Sechs: did you run the easyubuntu python script?
[04:54] <Chousuke> actually hmm
[04:54] <sniff> all i could do was remove both the gnome libs and then reinstall my fave gnome apps
[04:54] <_warren> ok now where will easyubunto show up
[04:54] <Mi|o> i'll have to do that, i guess
[04:54] <sniff> but be careful you don't remove all your kde stuff too
[04:54] <Sechs> I'd like to...but as i say chousuke, i downlded the tar of easykubuntu, but now i dont know what to do with it...i'll check the forums anyway
[04:54] <Chousuke> _warren: I don't think it'll install itself in any menu or anything
[04:55] <_warren> ok
[04:55] <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to follow the instructions on this page: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html :P
[04:55] <sniff> Mi|o: I just wrote a script that does: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts gstreamer0.8-mad gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg mozilla-mplayer libdvdread3  libstdc++5 flashplayer-mozilla j2re1.4 && sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh && sudo apt-get install xine-ui mplayer-686
[04:55] <Chousuke> Sechs: just copy and paste the second box into your terminal
[04:56] <sniff> and then another to: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install build-essential gftp kgpg digikam kipi-plugins digikamimageplugins unrar-nonfree zip gnome-nettool kino kinoplus ktorrent kaffeine-xine audacity
[04:56] <sniff> i just execute these two and my system is back up and running
[04:57] <Mi|o> ok, let me copy all that :P
[04:58] <Sechs> ok i pasted the second box...its supposed to work now ?
[04:58] <Sechs> let's try...
[04:58] <Chousuke> Sechs: did it run all the commands?
[04:58] <sniff> and then i have some scripts to compile the acpi module for the kernel too
[04:59] <Chousuke> Sechs: if it worked, you should get a nice GUI with which to install java :P
[04:59] <sniff> btw firestarter rocks
[04:59] <Chousuke> Sechs: make sure you run the last command in terminal too
[04:59] <sniff> Mi|o: you must make sure you have the universe/multiverse repositories enabled though
[04:59] <Mi|o> i don't know if install that because it will block the connection and i don't know how to set it up
[05:00] <Mi|o> i will print the instructions (firestarter)
[05:00] <sniff> i once used automatix to install firestarter and it broke my internet
[05:00] <Mi|o> ok, let me check the repositories
[05:00] <sniff> but i installed it myself and it worked a treat
[05:00] <Mi|o> it doesn't block anything
[05:00] <Mi|o> like when you install a firewall in windows
[05:00] <sniff> after installing firestarter run "kdesu firestarter" from a terminal, and then run the firestarter wizard. So easy.
[05:00] <Mi|o> you know it blocks everything
[05:01] <Mi|o> a, ok
[05:01] <sniff> firestarter helped my setup DHCP, routing and port forwarding
[05:01] <sniff> excellent
[05:02] <_warren> ok so how do you start easyubuntu
[05:04] <sniff> to get the flash=plugin working in konqueror you must tell konqueror to scan for plugins from the options
[05:04] <sniff> Mi|o: the only other thing is to make sure dma is enabled
[05:04] <sniff> !dma
[05:05] <sniff> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[05:05] <Mi|o> everything is cool
[05:09] <_warren> ok i understand I think
[05:09] <_warren> but my cd plays now with now sound
[05:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:15] <_warren> i think everyone went for lunch:P
[05:16] <ziza> i consider upgrading to Dapper Drake at the moment. are there any major bugs in Dapper Drake that are of a serious nature?
[05:16] <slow-motion> i eat pizza
[05:17] <ziza> any upgraders here? :)
[05:19] <inuka> does anyone know how to install java on kubuntu? i followed the wiki guidelines, but that's just the runtime environment.. i want to be able to compile too.. but when i search in aptitude, there isn't another java there :/
[05:20] <ziza> haven't done something with java in a long time... maybe you should look for a java sdk?
[05:21] <inuka> yeah i was looking in apttude for the sdk, but it isn't there.. ideally i'd like 1.5.. thanks, i'll take another look on the forums :)
[05:21] <ziza> k :)
[05:21] <juke> i try to start game then my kubuntu says could not load "libGL.so.. where i can get that file?? :P
[05:22] <noteventime> Install libgl1-mesa
[05:24] <azertyuuu> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[05:24] <azertyuuu> hey all, i want to install my WLAN drivers with ndiswrapper, but if i enter [ndiswrapper -i (drivername).inf]  , i get this error :
[05:24] <azertyuuu> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[05:25] <azertyuuu> please help me
[05:25] <cnb_> you probably want to do sudo ndiswrapper -i (drivername).inf
[05:26] <azertyuuu> doesn't help
[05:27] <cnb_> please try "locate ndiswrapper|grep bin"
[05:27] <cnb_> and give the output
[05:28] <_warren> i had autmatix installed before and i seemed to work good
[05:28] <juke> i already have libgl1-mesa installed but it still saying could not load "libGL.so.. have any idea?? :P
[05:29] <_warren> some one here earlier was saying it is not safe
[05:31] <juke> please help me!! 8-)
[05:31] <skribe> ok, it's a problem with my gfx chips, not the monitor...
[05:31] <skribe> has anyone used kubuntu with a mini-itx board at all?
[05:31] <inuka> _warren: i didn't think automatix was safe because it uses the --force-yes option in apt-get and the man pages says that it could potentially destroy your system!!
[05:32] <_warren> i had it before and it worked fine
[05:32] <_warren> so should I be okay again
[05:33] <_warren> by system you mean?
[05:33] <Kr4t05> Gee, this may seem redundant, but why won't Kmid play midi files? That is what it's supposed to do, right?
[05:34] <juke> Is this Konversation good irc program or is it there better ones??
[05:34] <ovidiu> hello everybody?
[05:34] <juke> hi
[05:34] <_warren> hiya:)
[05:34] <ovidiu> how can I connect to undernet network?
[05:34] <ovidiu> where are the ubuntists from?
[05:35] <juke> finland :P
[05:35] <ovidiu> romania here..
[05:35] <metalhedd> ovidiu: /server eu.undernet.org
[05:35] <_warren> Canada
[05:35] <trappist> juke: I like irssi
[05:35] <ovidiu> im glad to see that there is no spam here, like...JOIN ..BUY...Discounts
[05:35] <crrj> juke, konversation isn't bad, there are other IRC clients. My suggestion is give each a try and stick with one that you like.
[05:36] <_warren> ok well i am going to install automatix see what happens..I ran it before no problems
[05:36] <juke> trappist: irssi?? is there others..
[05:37] <Mi|o> restarting :P
[05:37] <ovidiu> I am using both ubunt and XP but I will buy a laptop and will dedicate it 100% to ubuntu
[05:37] <trappist> juke: dozens of others.  BitchX is another console client.  xchat is a popular gui one.
[05:38] <crrj> There is an X interface to BItchX, can't remember the name off the top of my head
[05:38] <adsl> hi, did anyone manage to get compiz running on kubuntu?
[05:38] <trappist> I like a console client so I can run it in a screen and connect to it from anywhere.  this way I never have to disconnect.
[05:39] <crrj> that works
[05:40] <inuka> _warren: sorry, i'm not sure.. i was reading on the forum about how it apparently messes with dependencies.. but i've also used it in the past with no problems, so i'm not sure.. it *should* be ok i guess
[05:40] <_warren> ok i just downloaded it now
[05:40] <trappist> then I run bitlbee to proxy all my IM traffic through irc, so all my chat happens in one window, and I have access to it wherever I am
[05:40] <inuka> does anyone know if it's safe to conver the java sdk rpm to a deb file and install from that? this is the rpm i downloaded fromt eh sun microsystems site..
[05:41] <Sechs> [16:55]  <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to follow the instructions on this page: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html :P >> ok this...didnt worked.
[05:41] <trappist> !tell inuka about javadebs
[05:41] <trappist> inuka: that's not really the way to do it
[05:41] <Sechs> I think there's no way to do it.
[05:42] <_warren> what had happened is that I had originally installed ubuntu from the disc then decided to change it to kubuntu and that worked ok but it was a mixup ok ubuntu and kubuntu but Idid have automatix runing at that time and it did wonders for getting things going
[05:42] <inuka> trappist: ah.. i followed the instructions on the wiki and that worked fine but it's just the runtime environment, i can't fine the installation files for the sdk (sdk 5.0)..
[05:42] <_warren> no i installed kubuntu from the kubuntu iso an things look better now so I will run automatix to help the rest alont the way
[05:42] <trappist> inuka: if nothing else you can download the sdk from java.sun.com and install that
[05:43] <inuka> trappist: yeah, that's the file i downloaded.. they don't have a deb.. tere's just an rpm.. thanks
[05:43] <Chousuke> Sechs: there is.
[05:44] <Chousuke> Sechs: You obviously did something wrong. :/
[05:44] <inuka> _warren: yeah, i agree, it's amazing just to get  your system so things just work :)
[05:44] <_warren> kool :)
[05:44] <trappist> inuka: when you download from sun.com you have an option - rpm or tarball.  they're both .bin files but one extracts to an rpm and one doesn't.
[05:45] <Chousuke> meh
[05:45] <Chousuke> You wish people would instinctively do things the correct way.
[05:45] <ROBOd> hello
[05:45] <ROBOd> i have ubuntu breezy and i installed the kde-metapackage
[05:46] <Sechs> Ok this : sudo apt-get install j2re1.5-mozilla-plugin
[05:46] <_warren> ok it seems to be working find now
[05:46] <Sechs> should work right ?
[05:46] <Sechs> But no.
[05:46] <ROBOd> i want to remove my kde installation and ... i want to try to install a minimal kde
[05:46] <Sechs> I doesnt see what i do wrong here
[05:46] <Chousuke> Sechs: not really.
[05:46] <Sechs> lol
[05:46] <Sechs> no, really ?
[05:46] <Chousuke> Sechs: that requires you to have java in you apt sources
[05:46] <ROBOd> i did go into synaptic ... and selected for removal the kde metapackage
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: which, by default due to unavoidable circumstances, you don't
[05:47] <ROBOd> it won't remove all those tens (maybe hundrends) of packages
[05:47] <ROBOd> how to do it?
[05:47] <Sechs> So this is a mater of repositories ?
[05:47] <ROBOd> i don't want to pick each package
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: yeah
[05:47] <ROBOd> anybody? please
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: there is no repository that can legally distribute Java in Ubuntu's package format.
[05:47] <Chousuke> Sechs: thank Sun for that ;P
[05:48] <Sechs> Hmhm...but..not...legally ?
[05:48] <Chousuke> Sechs: you can download the binary yourself though and convert it to .deb.
[05:48] <Chousuke> Sechs: that's legal.
[05:48] <ROBOd> guys? :)
[05:48] <Sechs> ok, back to this : then, i convert with alien ?
[05:48] <Chousuke> ROBOd: I don't think there's any easy way. :/
[05:48] <Chousuke> Sechs: no, not alien
[05:48] <_warren> could you not just start from scratch Rob
[05:49] <Chousuke> Sechs: you need to download the .bin install file, not the rpm.
[05:49] <ROBOd> _warren: how?
[05:49] <Sechs> I have a rpm.bin
[05:49] <_warren> how did you install it in the firt place
[05:49] <Chousuke> Sechs: then you need to use this tool called make-jpkg (apt-get install java-package) to turn that .bin into a debian package.
[05:49] <Sechs> not this ?
[05:49] <Chousuke> Sechs: not the rpm one.
[05:49] <Sechs> k...
[05:50] <Chousuke> Java is probably one of the most difficult apps to install on Ubuntu :P
[05:50] <ROBOd> _warren: apt-get install kde
[05:50] <ROBOd> _warren: apt-get remove kde won't do the trick
[05:50] <_warren> I meant to start over agan from the istallation disc
[05:50] <Chousuke> all because you can't legally include it in the repositories ;/
[05:50] <Sechs> That, i'm glad to hear Chousuke
[05:50] <_warren> i remember seeing advanced instalation
[05:51] <Sechs> Cuz it's really somthng that makes me regret XP
[05:51] <ROBOd> _warren: dude ... this is my main computer
[05:51] <Sechs> And i dont wont to :/
[05:51] <Chousuke> Sechs: yeah. most apps are available through APT.
[05:51] <ROBOd> _warren: i can't reinstall my computer every minute :)
[05:51] <_warren> ok then sorry I cant help you
[05:51] <Chousuke> ROBOd: I think you can just remove something that most of the KDE stuff depends on.
[05:51] <Chousuke> ROBOd: like kdelibs
[05:52] <ROBOd> lemme see
[05:52] <Chousuke> (the exact name of that package might be kdelibs3 or something)
[05:53] <Sechs> I didnt really understood how to convert ?
[05:54] <ROBOd> Chousuke: thanks, that's very helpful
[05:54] <ROBOd> Chousuke: i already selected *many* packages
[05:57] <Sechs> I still can't understand for easy ubuntu...a site says i just have to DL the file, unzip it, and click on  the file inside..but it does nothing, weird...
[05:59] <_warren> did you install easyubuntu
[06:04] <Sechs> nope warren, doesnt work...i try this : http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html and it works, till the last line
[06:04] <Sechs> last line does nothing :/
[06:06] <macko> j trnava
[06:07] <_warren> it worked for me
[06:07] <_warren> but then i decided to install automatix
[06:07] <Sechs> bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:07] <Sechs> says this for me
[06:07] <_warren> i forgot what you were trying to do in the first place:(
[06:07] <Riddell> kdesu in kubuntu
[06:07] <Sechs> i forgot too warren lol
[06:07] <_warren> lmao
[06:08] <Sechs> So many things that wouldnt work i forgo the first :p
[06:08] <Sechs> Java i think...
[06:08] <ryanakca> I know that this is completly and absolutly offtopic, but seeing that I can't figure out what the license is, you know the thinklinux background that has tux in the apple, tuxinapple shows up in many things (kmenu icon, background, etc), so could you use it as a favicon?
[06:08] <Sechs> automatix, how did you install it ?
[06:08] <ryanakca> sorry if my question doesn't make sense...
[06:08] <_warren> 1 sec i get you the instructions
[06:09] <_warren> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[06:09] <tristanmike> !automatix
[06:09] <ubotu> I heard automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:09] <tristanmike> for a comparison of easyubuntu and automatix see...http://nalioth.hostdestroyer.com/comparison.html
[06:10] <Sechs> thanx
[06:10] <_warren> it asks you if you want to overwrite configuration on install
[06:11] <_warren> it explains it and gives you a choice
[06:11] <_warren> how ever a brief explanation
[06:11] <tristanmike> EasyUbuntu:Uses self-contained sources.list. Does not touch YOUR sources.list at all. Makes no changes to system settings.     Automatix:Uses a non-official sources.list. Changes system settings permanently.
[06:12] <Sechs> Damn o_o...it says the packet doesnt macth (i386) with my system (amd64)...so i guess installing kubuntu amd64 was a huge mistake finally.
[06:13] <_warren> maybe thats not such a bad thing as it seems to be the only thing that allowed me to get flash and windows media working was automatix
[06:13] <heinkel_111> hmm dows Konqueror actually run on very much mozilla code?
[06:14] <heinkel_111> can i install the mozilla flash plugin and it will work in Konquerer?
[06:14] <tristanmike> if someone feels more comfortable using automatix, that's ok, just please don't recommend it here.
[06:14] <_warren> there is different versions of Kubuntu Sechs
[06:14] <Sechs> yes..and i noticed i install the amd64 one
[06:15] <_warren> oh
[06:15] <Sechs> but my processor is i386
[06:15] <Sechs> so taht's maybe where some problems come from i dont know ?
[06:15] <_warren> could be none the less you should have the right version
[06:15] <tristanmike> that's it, you can't install the 64 bit version on a 32 bit machine, which is what an i386 machine is
[06:16] <MenZa> lol
[06:16] <Sechs> can i install a kubuntu i386 over a amd64 one ?
[06:16] <MenZa> You should never install the 64-bit one, even on a 64-bit cpu, in my opinion. Never gave me anything but trouble.
[06:16] <Sechs> yes but i read "AMD" and tought i was for the AMD processors...nevermind :/
[06:17] <Sechs> I just hope it's possible to install i386 over this one..
[06:17] <Sechs> someone tried this aleady ?
[06:17] <heinkel_111> hello...do flash plugins for mozilla work with konqueror?
[06:17] <knoppix> After updating two nights ago, my wireless network doesnt work. I think what happened is that a package called dhcp3-client got installed and the package dhcp-client was removed. I removed the former package but adept wont let me install the latter. When I run ifup wlan0 it says "network is down"
[06:18] <Sechs> Well, most generally, can i install a Kubuntu version over another ?
[06:20] <Sechs> No one know :( ?
[06:20] <tristanmike> Sechs, when installing just delete the "ext3 and swap" partitions, then set the free space to automatically configure, you should be good to go
[06:20] <Sechs> yeah right, i can delete anywya...
[06:20] <tristanmike> that's what you're going to have to do
[06:21] <tristanmike> are you dual booting ?
[06:21] <Sechs> with XP ?
[06:21] <Sechs> yes
[06:21] <tristanmike> yes, or any other os
[06:21] <Sechs> XP ^^
[06:21] <tristanmike> ok
[06:22] <tristanmike> Sechs, do what I said, delete the ext3 and swap partitions and reinstall on the free space, you should be good to go
[06:22] <Sechs> ok thanks :)
[06:23] <tristanmike> enjoy and have fun :)
[06:23] <Sechs> Oh and since i can cha,nge the distribution since i will delete this partitiion, : is Ubuntu similar to Kubuntu except for the KDE environnmt ?
[06:25] <tristanmike> yes, Ubuntu uses Gnome, but you can then install Kubuntu along side of Ubuntu as well ;)
[06:26] <tristanmike> and you can install virtually any package for Kubuntu and run it under Ubuntu, amaroK for instance ;)
[06:26] <tristanmike> if you choose not to install Kubuntu that is
[06:26] <_warren> the whole thing is very confusing to new users
[06:26] <_warren> lol
[06:27] <tristanmike> yeah choice can be a scary thing when you've never had it :P
[06:27] <_warren> to profound :P
[06:28] <sebastian> I have been trying and trying to get my .vmx file to stay as a .vmx file, but when I open click on it in Gnome/KDE.  It turns into a .txt file.  Also in VMware player it is a .txt file.
[06:28] <sebastian> anyone know how I can make sure it stays as a .vmx file?
[06:28] <Sechs> Well then, cya guys, have a nice day
[06:29] <Sechs> (and thanx)
[06:29] <tristanmike> good luck :)
[06:31] <Elsan_> Is there any danger to uprading to Dapper? I know some people who did it and it beautifully but I'm still wondering...
[06:31] <Chameleon22> Elsan_, always a danger, back everythign up or better yet ghost the system so you can recover fast and try
[06:31] <raphink> Elsan_: depends how well you can deal with your system
[06:31] <tristanmike> Dapper is in testing, i *may* break, there is always a danger
[06:32] <Elsan_> Ok
[06:32] <tristanmike> s/i/it
[06:32] <raphink> however, dapper is already a bit more stable than breezy
[06:32] <raphink> imho
[06:32] <raphink> esp. when it comes to kubuntu
[06:32] <raphink> which is horrible in breezy by default
[06:32] <tristanmike> yeah, they expect by the middle of april it to be pretty much there, the extra weeks are for polish and a few nicities
[06:33] <tristanmike> or so I've heard...:P
[06:33] <ninHer> hi all
[06:33] <raphink> well it was originally planned for the middle of april indeed
[06:33] <raphink> and I personally plan to keep this goal
[06:33] <raphink> as much as possible
[06:33] <raphink> otherwise there's no point in adding 6 weeks
[06:33] <raphink> hi ninHer
[06:34] <silke> 'llo. Can sompeone explain me where the media:/ stuff is stored?
[06:34] <Elsan_> What's really new with Dapper for Kubuntu? I alreayd have Koffice 1.5 and KDE 3.51...
[06:34] <raphink> stored?
[06:34] <raphink> Elsan_: polish, polish :)
[06:34] <raphink> + adept
[06:34] <crimsun> as in on the file system? /media/*
[06:34] <raphink> adept updater & installer
[06:34] <taneli> hey... im just installing xorg-driver-fglrx for radeon X300 card...and it asks cards bus identifier ?...
[06:34] <silke> yes I know what /media is
[06:35] <taneli> my card is at pcie
[06:35] <silke> but how come some things ARE found there and other arn't?
[06:35] <taneli> what should i put there ?
[06:35] <taneli> anyone have installed xorg-driver-fglrx for ATI ?
[06:35] <taneli> meaby all of you :)
[06:36] <silke> When I connect my digital camera he gives an error "couldn't find media:/sda" so how can I tell him what to look for?
[06:36] <Elsan_> raphink: Yeah 'cause I still use Synaptic even though I have adept
[06:36] <crimsun> silke: where is it mounted instead?
[06:36] <raphink> Elsan_: adept has been worked on a lot in dapper
[06:37] <raphink> Elsan_: although I personally only use apt-*
[06:37] <Elsan_> raphink: Yeah, saw some screens. Is there a new theme like for Ubuntu?
[06:37] <raphink> kwwii is working on the artwork currently
[06:37] <raphink> he began some time ago
[06:37] <raphink> so it's a work in progress
[06:37] <raphink> but I believe it'll be great in the end
[06:37] <raphink> given that he's the author of the SuSE look since 7 years ;)
[06:37] <Elsan_> Ok, as long as it's ready for the final release!
[06:38] <silke> crimsun: I don't know if it IS mounted
[06:38] <Elsan_> :o
[06:38] <raphink> and SuSE looks really cool ;)
[06:38] <Elsan_> :O
[06:38] <raphink> it'll be don't worry
[06:38] <crimsun> silke: then check with ``mount''
[06:38] <raphink> Elsan_: btw, if you prefer we can talk on -fr ;)
[06:38] <Elsan_> I'm just impressed
[06:38] <silke> well since I mounted it manually before, I'm pretty sure it's not :p
[06:39] <silke> so now I have to mount it manually every time, but that auto-mount-&-display-in-konqueror doesn't work
[06:39] <raphink> Elsan_: the default settings of KDE 3.5.1 have also reworked a lot in Dapper
[06:40] <raphink> thanks to Tonio_ :)
[06:40] <Tonio_> raphink: ^_^
[06:40] <crimsun> silke: do other removable storage devices like usb thumbdrives automount?
[06:40] <silke> I don't know, the cd-rom drive does
[06:40] <raphink> Tonio_: hehe ;)
[06:41] <Tonio_> raphink: I'm working on kaffeine 0.8 actually
[06:41] <raphink> ah great :)
[06:41] <raphink> I just arrived in Paris and wired the laptop ...
[06:41] <raphink> I should get a rest and unload the car
[06:41] <raphink> lol
[06:41] <Tonio_> it resolves system:/ issues :)
[06:41] <crimsun> silke: what does ``dmesg'' tell you regarding the kernel's detection of it?
[06:41] <raphink> Tonio_: really? how?
[06:41] <PoorYoric> Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[06:42] <PoorYoric> Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual
[06:42] <PoorYoric>  address 00000000
[06:42] <PoorYoric> Does this evoke something to anyone ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> raphink: it wasn't manging the kio plugins, simply
[06:42] <PoorYoric> (except "oops")
[06:42] <Tonio_> that doesn't resolve any issue with other apps, but kaffeine will now work
[06:42] <raphink> Tonio_: how about other programs, e.g. kpdf ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> raphink: in your ass ;)
[06:42] <raphink> Tonio_: hmmm...
[06:42] <Tonio_> hehe
[06:43] <raphink> ok on va s'expliquer en PV :p
[06:43] <Tonio_> sorry for this darling ;)
[06:43] <Tonio_> no but seriously, there is no way to completly fit with that stupid system:/ applet
[06:43] <Tonio_> all applications have to be adapted for compatibility
[06:43] <Tonio_> which means that will NEVER work with gnome apps
[06:43] <raphink> remove it :p)
[06:44] <silke> [4298116.437000]  SCSI device sda: 999936 512-byte hdwr sectors (512 MB)
[06:44] <raphink> who uses the system:/ applet in the bar ?
[06:44] <silke> crimsun: looks good
[06:44] <Tonio_> raphink: I would like to, but that's complicated
[06:44] <raphink> raise your hand?
[06:44] <Tonio_> and my patchfor this is crappy
[06:44] <Tonio_> I do, and most users do
[06:44] <raphink> ok
[06:45] <Tonio_> but we need a cpp coder to do a better patch than mine
[06:45] <silke> anyway, gtg for now, food... I'll just hope the problem will fix itself.
[06:45] <marwan> Hi, can any one help me, i am trying to install CrossOver office can any one give me link i can put in my list
[06:45] <jtshaw> Tonio_: What package is it in exactly?
[06:45] <Tonio_> jtshaw: kdebase :)
[06:46] <Tonio_> jtshaw: that's the problem, it is not easy at all to patch
[06:46] <disc-q> how do i delete autostart entries?
[06:46] <jtshaw> Tonio_ that is what I feared.. you mind sending me your patch?
[06:46] <Tonio_> disc-q: rm ;)
[06:46] <Tonio_> jtshaw: my patch is in actually
[06:46] <jtshaw> Tonio_: ah, ok
[06:46] <Tonio_> but it creates a little issue with the konqueror's sidebar
[06:46] <disc-q> Tonio_, rm /etc/init.d/sshd e.g.?
[06:46] <Tonio_> the system part of the sidebar doesn't work....
[06:47] <Tonio_> disc-q: yes
[06:47] <Tonio_> disc-q: ut if you just want that it doesn't start
[06:47] <Tonio_> use systemsettings
[06:47] <Tonio_> and disable autostart features
[06:47] <Tonio_> jtshaw: if you feel able to do better, plz do ;)
[06:48] <jtshaw> Tonio_: I dunno about "better":)
[06:48] <pahlooka> ubuntuforums down for anyone else?
[06:49] <disc-q> Tonio_, ah. thx
[06:49] <Tonio_> jtshaw: working like mine for systemapplet, and doesn't corrupting the sidebar ;)
[06:49] <marwan> CrossOver any idea here?>
[06:49] <pahlooka> ne1 running Dapper?
[06:49] <jtshaw> Tonio_: I'm going to look at it at the very least, but I make no promises
[06:49] <marwan> i need some help here guys
[06:50] <jtshaw> pahlooka: yep
[06:50] <disc-q> do i need the ppp daemon if i connect with a router?
[06:50] <pahlooka> jtshaw: are you getting an md5sum mismatch on universe packages.bz2 today?
[06:50] <PoorYoric> So, no idea for my kernel oops ?
[06:50] <jtshaw> pahlooka: Dunno, haven't updated today.. I'll check
[06:50] <schorem> @disc-q: No ppp daemon is for connecting thru a modem. As in the old times
[06:51] <disc-q> schorem, so i don't need it right?
[06:51] <pahlooka> jtshaw: you may not notice it unless you use apt-get update....synaptic and aptitude don't show the error, but of course I get no packages from universe
[06:51] <jtshaw> pahlooka: Appears to be fine today
[06:52] <schorem> @disc-q. Nope. Does your router have a dhcp server?
[06:52] <disc-q> yes. the dhcpclient starts while booting
[06:52] <PoorYoric> well, I'll restart with different kernel options
[06:52] <jtshaw> pahlooka: I used apt-get update and got no errors from the us mirrors
[06:52] <pahlooka> jtshaw: did u use apt-get to update the packages list?
[06:52] <schorem> @disc-q: well it should work fine then? can you connect to the internet or network
[06:52] <pahlooka> jtshaw: ok
[06:53] <disc-q> sure :)
[06:53] <disc-q> i will a have a try and stop ppp
[06:53] <disc-q> wasn't running :)
[06:53] <pahlooka> jtshaw: I'm going straight to archive.ubuntu.com (uk?) I was gonna leave a msg on ubuntuforums but its down for me too :O
[06:53] <schorem> @dis-q: just apt-get remove/purge ppp
[06:54] <jtshaw> pahlooka: Odd, the forums are fine for me as well...
[06:54] <schorem> does anyone here use dapper?
[06:54] <pahlooka> jtshaw: interesting.... thanks for checking
[06:55] <pahlooka> schorem: yep
[06:55] <schorem> any bugs?
[06:55] <pahlooka> schorem: yeah, a few, I can't get mp3 playing under ubuntu (kubuntu fine tho)
[06:55] <jtshaw> schorem: certainly a few... nothing show stopping on my system
[06:55] <pahlooka> schorem: I'm already happier with dapper than with breezy
[06:56] <schorem> Should I upgrade or stay at breezy?
[06:56] <knoppix> pahlooka, do you have wireless networking?
[06:56] <knoppix> pahlooka, just curious if it has improved.
[06:56] <pahlooka> schorem: The usual advice....don't upgrade your production machines
[06:56] <pahlooka> knoppix: yep
[06:57] <pahlooka> knoppix: improved??  Its always worked for me
[06:57] <schorem> thnx
[06:57] <jesusfish> anyone know where I can find a kdetv deb that works on dapper?
[06:57] <pahlooka> knoppix: wlan has worke for me since warty
[06:57] <knoppix> pahlooka - kwifimanager was a little tempermental for me.
[06:58] <knoppix> pahlooka, its not great for changing networks though.
[06:58] <pahlooka> knoppix: Ah, yes, ok, I hate that app - its ugly and don't really work.
[06:58] <pahlooka> knoppix: Let me check the dapper version now
[06:58] <knoppix> pahlooka, thanks!
[07:00] <sebastian> I got a .vmx file, but instead of it being a .vmx file it is a .txt file.  anyone know how I can solve this problem?
[07:03] <jesusfish> stupid dependencies for kdetv are all screwed up
[07:03] <pahlooka> knoppix: seems to work.  scans ok now, but as I don't have any hotspots near me except my own accesspoint I can't really tell if it will roam successfully
[07:04] <knoppix> pahlooka, you could try connecting to your already connected network. If it says "could not connect due to an invalid WEP key", then things havent changed much.
[07:04] <disc-q> anybody here who uses virtual machines?
[07:04] <pahlooka> knoppix: ok, I'll give it a try
[07:06] <pahlooka> knoppix: ok, you are right - its incorrectly thinking my AP is using WEP (it isn't) and gives the error you describe
[07:07] <knoppix> pahlooka, thanks for checking.
[07:07] <pahlooka> knoppix: np
[07:07] <knoppix> I have the exact same problem.
[07:13] <sebastian> hummmmmm
[07:14] <sebastian> I just got pissed off since no one was able to help me.  in the Ubuntu channel.  so I spammed it :D  and got a bann hummmmmmmm.  Seriously.
[07:15] <crimsun> If you aren't able to find help RIGHT THIS INSTANT, stand up, walk away, and come back in 5 minutes. Then ask again.
[07:15] <Red_Herring> dude, lets not spam channels, and also, if no one can help you
[07:15] <Red_Herring> ask later
[07:15] <Red_Herring> so ask NOW
[07:15] <ryanakca> sebastian: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[07:15] <ryanakca> my favorite website :)
[07:15] <sebastian> so that bann is not pernament?
[07:15] <crimsun> no, you're not banned. You're muzzled.
[07:16] <sebastian> muted?
[07:16] <crimsun> When you learn to stop spamming, I'll remove it.
[07:16] <ryanakca> heh... I'm surprised ubotu doesn't have a comment about spamming :)
[07:16] <crimsun> there are 675 other people in there. Nothing makes you any more special than any of the rest of us.

[07:17] <ryanakca> 675 people in #ubuntu ??? wow... So are there more ubuntu users the kubuntu users... seeing that we have 193 people in here? or is kubuntu easyer than ubuntu or ???
[07:17] <sebastian> I have a .vmx file, but well it is a .txt file
[07:17] <Snake__> ryanakca: ubuntu is older
[07:17] <sebastian> I have tryed and tryed to get it to stay as a .vmx file
[07:17] <sebastian> ,but it just won't do it
[07:18] <ryanakca> Snake__: ah, I see
[07:18] <Red_Herring> well, it does have senority
[07:18] <ryanakca> Snake__: and is xubuntu older than kubuntu, or younguer
[07:18] <crimsun> even younger.
[07:18] <Snake__> ryanakca: I believe younger
[07:18] <Red_Herring> but in my opinion, ubuntu is about 6 months more mature than kubuntu
[07:18] <Red_Herring> younger
[07:18] <ryanakca> heh, and Zubuntu is younger than xubuntu :)
[07:19] <raf> Hello all!
[07:19] <Red_Herring> hi
[07:19] <Snake__> Red_Herring: ubuntu is about a year older
[07:19] <raf> Just a question:
[07:19] <ryanakca> geee... we almost have a buntu alphabet :)
[07:19] <pahlooka> zubuntu????
[07:19] <Red_Herring> Snake__: i know, but about 6 months more mature
[07:19] <sebastian> does VMware player have it's own channel?
[07:19] <sebastian> some where
[07:19] <ryanakca> Z series ubuntu or something like that
[07:19] <tristanmike> #vmware
[07:19] <Red_Herring> for servers
[07:19] <Snake__> lol
[07:19] <Snake__> ah
[07:19] <tristanmike> maybe?
[07:19] <pahlooka> oh
[07:19] <raf> just one technical question please:
[07:19] <raf> Do you know when the next release of kubuntu is expected??
[07:20] <tristanmike> yup, #vmware
[07:20] <ryanakca> June 1st methinks
[07:20] <Red_Herring> may
[07:20] <_jonathan> yeah
[07:20] <Snake__> raf: June first
[07:20] <pahlooka> 6.06
[07:20] <ryanakca> oh, my bad :)
[07:20] <_jonathan> june 1
[07:20] <Red_Herring> dang
[07:20] <Red_Herring> off
[07:20] <sebastian> nope I just created #vmware by j9oining it
[07:20] <ryanakca> ok then, I was right :)
[07:20] <Red_Herring> its june 1
[07:20] <raf> thanks!
[07:20] <_jonathan> lol....first part of june
[07:20] <trappist> sebastian: typo? wrong server? #vmware is there
[07:20] <Red_Herring> WHAT??!?!? there is no channel #nerds?
[07:20] <sebastian> which server?
[07:21] <sebastian> trapist
[07:21] <tristanmike> sebastian, yeah, me and the other 40 people
[07:21] <Snake__> sebastian: freenode...
[07:21] <tristanmike> "/join #vmware"
[07:21] <simian> my laptop made a few high pitched noises then i reset it and now it says there is no hard drive....any thoughts?
[07:21] <darkspirit> hi all
[07:21] <Snake__> simian: dead HDD would be your most probible cause
[07:21] <sebastian> in there now
[07:21] <gleesond> whats the command to open control center?
[07:21] <pahlooka> simian: DEAD HDD MAN
[07:21] <sebastian> hopefully I will be able to get help there
[07:21] <ryanakca> simian: your hard drive died like mine
[07:21] <pahlooka> oops, sorry for the caps
[07:21] <ryanakca> hopefully you had backups :)
[07:21] <Snake__> gleesond: alt+f2 and type kcontrol and press "run"
[07:22] <darkspirit> i have one question?
[07:22] <simian> great (sarcasm)
[07:22] <gleesond> Snake__: thatnks
[07:22] <Snake__> darkspirit: just ask
[07:22] <darkspirit> is there a fench kubuntu's channel?
[07:22] <simian> so there is nothing i can do about that?
[07:22] <Red_Herring> !languages
[07:22] <ubotu> methinks languages is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&value=languages&titlesearch=Titles
[07:22] <Snake__> darkspirit: french**?
[07:22] <pahlooka> simian: not usually
[07:22] <tristanmike> #kubuntu-fr
[07:22] <darkspirit> yea
[07:22] <Snake__> darkspirit: ^^
[07:22] <Snake__> rigt there
[07:23] <darkspirit> ok thx for the hand
[07:23] <darkspirit> :-)
[07:23] <simian> pahlooka: what about an external hard drive - is it worth it?
[07:25] <gleesond> I guess I don't see where to configure the theme for KDM
[07:25] <pahlooka> simian: Umm...might work, but it depends on whether your machine will boot from it
[07:26] <Rayman> any idea of specs needed to run xubuntu?
[07:26] <gleesond> I thought there was a place in control center but I don't see it
[07:26] <pahlooka> simian: you could always take your lappy to the shop and have a new hdd put in....shouldn't cost more than 200-300
[07:26] <Snake__> gleesond: go into apperances
[07:26] <sebastian> no one talking in  Vmware channel :(
[07:26] <Snake__> gleesond: then configure whatever you want to configure
[07:26] <tristanmike> !patience
[07:26] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Please be aware there are a lot of questions, but only maybe few who might know the answer for you. Please be patient. Your attitude may determine their willingness to help you.
[07:27] <gleesond> Snake__: I'm trying to configre the login screen
[07:27] <Snake__> gleesond: Oh...I dont think thats configuarble without editing the image files themselves >.<....dont  hold me to that tho, but thats how I did it
[07:28] <Clockworker> one question ist kde4 avaible alpha or other previews?
[07:28] <sebastian> is there like a general Linux channel?
[07:29] <Snake__> sebastian: #linux?
[07:29] <sebastian> I tryed that
[07:29] <Red_Herring> hehehe
[07:29] <sebastian> and it said it had moved
[07:29] <sebastian> or something
[07:29] <Red_Herring> how about #linux-newbies?
[07:29] <Snake__> hmm
[07:29] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: kde4 is not out in any way shape or form yet
[07:29] <sebastian> I have a file that is supopused to be a .vmx file.  ,but instead Linux thinks it is a .txt
[07:29] <sebastian> anyone know why that is?
[07:29] <sebastian> and how to solve this problem?
[07:29] <Red_Herring> it doesnt work ATT ALL
[07:29] <aaron> I need to update my sources.list file...   I'm not getting any good packages listed in adept.. like macromedia flash or acroread
[07:30] <Clockworker> thx Red_Herring
[07:30] <aaron> or mplayer
[07:30] <cycus_zwisus> help!!i can't update kde language pack to version 3.5.2
[07:30] <tristanmike> !tell aaron about sources
[07:30] <tristanmike> !tell aaron about restricted
[07:30] <tristanmike> !tell aaron about easyubuntu
[07:31] <tristanmike> aaron, that should get you started ;P
[07:31] <Red_Herring> tell tristanmike to stop telling aaron about things
[07:31] <Red_Herring> :-P
[07:31] <Red_Herring> jkjk
[07:31] <sebastian> stupid IRC I am probably better off trying a forum
[07:31] <bobyfixer> any one compiled mechcommander 2 under linux ?!!!!
[07:31] <Red_Herring> no
[07:31] <tristanmike> sebastian, help comes in all forums, lol get it :P
[07:32] <sebastian> .vmx file is created by putting the stuff in a text editor.  and saving it as filename.vmx.  ,but my .vmx files Linux thinks are .txt and so they won't work
[07:32] <sebastian> anyone know how to solve this problem?
[07:33] <aaron> I've looked for a list of kubuntu repositories.. thanks guys!
[07:33] <me2win> aaron, did you need to find more repos?
[07:35] <aaron> me2win: .. yes.. actually just ones that have good stuff that won't break my breazy badger
[07:35] <me2win> ubot tell aaron about repos
[07:35] <me2win> ubotu, tell aaron about repos
[07:36] <tristanmike> aaron, look at the 3 pm's ubotu sent you
[07:48] <cycus_zwisus> after installing ati drivers shouldn't it be enough to edit xorg.conf and substitute "ati" with "fglrx"?
[07:49] <jesusfish> what would cause KDE to work when using failsafe, but not normally?
[07:49] <jesusfish> it just boots me back to KDM
[07:50] <jesusfish> it was working fine before I did an upgrade
[07:50] <n3storm> read the .xsession-errors at your home
[07:50] <jesusfish> n3storm: I didn. nothing there
[07:50] <n3storm> have you tried other user, jesusfish
[07:50] <jesusfish> n3storm: and yes, I tried another user
[07:50] <nferreira> How can I play DVD in Kubuntu with kaffeine ??
[07:51] <aaron> so, to upgrade from 5.10 to 6.04 all I have to do us change from breezy to hoary ?
[07:51] <n3storm> jesusfish: and thesame prob?
[07:51] <jesusfish> n3storm: yup
[07:51] <aaron> actually.. all I need is a list of repositories.. my kubuntu 5.10 did not come with a good list of repositories
[07:51] <jesusfish> n3storm: if I do failsafe, and use "startkde" in the xterm, it boots KDE fine
[07:52] <n3storm> jesusfish: aja
[07:52] <jesusfish> n3storm: ?
[07:52] <nferreira> how can i paly DVD with kaffeine in Kubuntu
[07:52] <me2win> aaron, there arent a LIST of repositories, you just uncomment the ones you need in sources.list
[07:52] <Red_Herring> !libdvdcss
[07:52] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[07:52] <aaron> I enabled all of them that were commented out in adept, but they don't look anything like the screenshots at the wiki
[07:52] <n3storm> jesusfish: that used to happen long time ago, what distro you installed?
[07:52] <n3storm> jesusfish: to dapper?
[07:53] <me2win> aaron, thats because the wiki screens are using gnome, not KDE
[07:53] <jesusfish> n3storm: I had it working after I bumped up to dapper
[07:53] <jesusfish> n3storm: was working fine after I installed XGL/compiz too
[07:53] <n3storm> remove kdm
[07:53] <n3storm> and use gdm
[07:53] <n3storm> just to check
[07:54] <jesusfish> k
[07:54] <jesusfish> brb
[07:55] <aaron> me2win: I mean the repositories listed in the screen shot
[07:56] <me2win> !repos
[07:56] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:56] <me2win> aaron, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
[07:56] <me2win> there is a list of the repos
[07:56] <me2win> the ones in the screenshot dont matter, its just an example of what you are supposed to see if you wwere using gnome
[07:56] <aaron> I understand the gnome / kde difference .. oh easysource..
[07:57] <nferreira> I already installed  libdvdcss, but the kaffeine player keep saying that don't have the plugin to play DVD
[07:58] <OBe> I cant even get a music cd to play in Kaffine :(
[08:03] <jesusfish> n3storm: ya, gdm works
[08:03] <jesusfish> n3storm: though its not setup to use Xgl atm so I didn't have any windecs
[08:04] <n3storm> jesusfish: no windecs, sounds funny :)
[08:04] <jesusfish> lol
[08:04] <n3storm> so it's something about the description of the session at kdm
[08:04] <n3storm> mmm
[08:08] <jesusfish> n3storm: shouldn't it have an error in .xessions-errors then?
[08:09] <n3storm> not sure
[08:09] <n3storm> what do you have in there?
[08:09] <jesusfish> n3storm: the only line in there is that the session was started
[08:11] <n3storm> jesusfish: I am using kde 3.5.1, shall we check kdm configuration?
[08:11] <n3storm> but I am using breezy, though
[08:11] <n3storm> .
[08:12] <jesusfish> n3storm: ya, I've been plugging through the config
[08:12] <jesusfish> n3storm: what is called on a normal session that isn't on a failsafe?
[08:14] <n3storm> xdmcp?
[08:14] <ryanakca> if an image is gpl, and you use it as a favicon, how do you give the person who sees it a copy of the gpl license?
[08:14] <jesusfish> k, I'm gonna try the default kdm
[08:17] <n3storm> ryanakca: write down the link to the copy as a comment in the html
[08:17] <ryanakca> n3storm: ah, ty
[08:20] <jesusfish> n3storm: interesting...its the Xgl servercmd line that does it
[08:22] <n3storm> jesusfish: bad news and good news
[08:22] <jesusfish> n3storm: yet, when I use failsafe, Xgl still works
[08:23] <jesusfish> n3storm: and the Xgl command itself works, as I tried it too
[08:24] <n3storm> dapper: beta
[08:27] <Zechs> Hi again
[08:28] <Zechs> I just installed Kubuntu but my screen is in 648X480...how do i pass to 1024 ?
[08:29] <Red_Herring> !resolution
[08:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:31] <jesusfish> n3storm: figured it out
[08:32] <jesusfish> n3storm: I had to comment our main() in the displayconfig-restore file to get XGL to work (as per the HOWTO), and it got overwritten after my update
[08:32] <n3storm> jesusfish:didn't apt ask you when replacing the file? :P
[08:33] <jesusfish> n3storm: no, cuz its a file in /usr/bin, not a config
[08:33] <n3storm> aha, I see
[08:38] <_normal1> hey
[08:39] <Zechs> I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesnt work...
[08:40] <Zechs> I have selected 1024 but still nothing
[08:40] <_normal1> hey how do i install a .sh ?
[08:40] <_normal1> sorry i'm just starting linux =\
[08:40] <n3storm> "dotslash .sh" _normal1
[08:40] <n3storm> "./whatever.sh"
[08:40] <trappist> or 'sh filename.sh'
[08:40] <_normal1> cool
[08:40] <_normal1> thanks =)
[08:41] <n3storm> welcome
[08:41] <_normal1> normal1@iismonitor:~/Desktop/mothra3$ ./ build.sh
[08:41] <_normal1> bash: ./: is a directory
[08:41] <_normal1> =\
[08:41] <_normal1> am i doing it right ?
[08:42] <n3storm> no spaces
[08:42] <_normal1> now i get gmake command not found
[08:43] <n3storm> _normal1: what are you trying to do?
[08:43] <_normal1> install a program
[08:43] <n3storm> the program is trying to compile
[08:44] <_normal1> should i download another compiler ?
[08:44] <frank23> _normal1: what program are you trying to compile?
[08:45] <_normal1> mothra3
[08:45] <_normal1> its some banner grabber
[08:46] <frank23> _normal1: did you install build-essential ?
[08:47] <_normal1> didn't see any
[08:48] <frank23> _normal1: you should install   build-essential with adept
[08:48] <_normal1> how would i do that
[08:48] <frank23> !adept
[08:48] <ubotu> from memory, adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:48] <_normal1> thanks
[08:48] <frank23> _normal1: in K->System
[08:50] <Zechs> !diskmounter
[08:50] <ubotu> diskmounter is, like, to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[08:51] <_normal1> got it, the only proablem is i don't know what to install
[08:51] <frank23> _normal1: what do you mean?
[08:51] <frank23> _normal1: did you click commit changes to do the install?
[08:52] <Zechs> how do i get to the desktop path in the console pls ?
[08:52] <frank23> Zechs: cd Desktop
[08:52] <Zechs> thx
[08:52] <ryanakca> do you need to put <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico" />  on every page of your website, or can you configure apache to use it as a favicon?
[08:52] <_normal1> i don't really understand what i need to install the program mothra3
[08:53] <_normal1> when i ./
[08:53] <_normal1> it says something about gmake
[08:53] <_normal1> do i need to install that
[08:53] <Rayman> ryanakca: just put the favicon.ico to the document root. Most browser query it on every request anyway.
[08:54] <frank23> _normal1: well since you will need to compile mothra, you need compilation tools:  gcc, make..   build-essential  installs those
[08:54] <_normal1> cool thanks
[08:55] <ryanakca> Rayman: kk, thanks
[08:57] <frank23> _normal1: I found your program. build.sh does this:    cd src/ && gmake && cp m3 ../ && cd -        I think you'll have to change gmake for make.   not sure what gmake is exactly
[08:59] <_normal1> make and gcc have tons of different related software
[08:59] <_normal1> =\
[09:01] <frank23> _normal1: do you have a fast connection