[00:06] <Anonaly> Hey ppl, I am having this issue -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/786087/xubuntu-16-04-monitor-display-no-signal-after-turned-off
[00:06] <Anonaly> does anyone else have this issue as well ?
[00:12] <Anonaly> wow ok I fixed it :)))
[00:12] <Anonaly> I made this script ->
[00:13] <Anonaly> #!/bin/sh
[00:13] <Anonaly> #Fix TV state when HDMI link is lost.
[00:13] <Anonaly> #By Mario Limonciello <email address hidden>
[00:13] <Anonaly> OUTPUT="HDMI-0"
[00:13] <Anonaly> BAD_MODE="1280x720"
[00:13] <Anonaly> GOOD_MODE="1920x1080"
[00:13] <Anonaly> for MODE in $BAD_MODE $GOOD_MODE; do
[00:13] <Anonaly> DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output $OUTPUT --mode $MODE
[00:13] <Anonaly> sleep 2
[00:13] <Anonaly> done
[00:13] <Anonaly> created a Keyboard Shortcut in xfce-settings to run it,
[00:13] <Anonaly> so now when I go ctrl-alt-backspace, I can get into my session again
[00:14] <Anonaly> maybe I should make it super +alt-f7 ?
[00:15] <krytarik> !pastebin | Anonaly
 I made this script ->
 #!/bin/sh
 #Fix TV state when HDMI link is lost.
 #By Mario Limonciello <email address hidden>
 OUTPUT="HDMI-0"
 BAD_MODE="1280x720"
 GOOD_MODE="1920x1080"
 for MODE in $BAD_MODE $GOOD_MODE; do
 DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output $OUTPUT --mode $MODE
 sleep 2
[00:15] <Anonaly> accident
[00:15] <Anonaly> http://pastebin.ca/3726713
[00:16] <Anonaly> man, copy paste issues there sorry for the flooding
[00:20] <mrkramps> why exactly does this require two modes?
[04:55] <graters> Prof. Tony Hall suspended without pay at University of Lethbridge (10/5/16)
[04:55] <graters> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4JKdO1zW24
[04:55] <cfhowlett> !ops | graters ban requested
[04:57] <graters> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4JKdO1zW24 (Prof. Tony Hall suspended without pay at University of Lethbridge (10/5/16))
[04:57] <cfhowlett> jumping from channel to channel with your trolling is sad and pathetic.  get a life somewhere.
[04:58] <graters> Tenured prof losing his position for controversial views. Major news.
[04:58] <cfhowlett> nothing to do with ubuntu.  be gone.
[04:59] <graters> Tenure was supposed to mean the prof could have full intellectual freedom without fearing for his university position. This is a major change.
[05:03] <graters> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4JKdO1zW24 (Prof. Tony Hall suspended without pay at University of Lethbridge (10/5/16))
[05:13] <pavlushka> !ops | graters ban requested
[05:13] <elky> they're gone.
[05:14] <pavlushka> elky: HE might come again and I though one more vote would gain priority :)
[05:14] <pavlushka> *though/thought
[05:14] <elky> no, they cycle through vpns
[05:15] <elky> banning is pointless and wastes banlist space
[05:15] <cfhowlett> he most certainly will return.  seems he has nothing else to do.  I've been adding his alias' to /ignore ... for all the good that does
[05:15] <cfhowlett> he's also fouling the waters in #ubuntu
[05:15] <pavlushka> elky: aha
[05:16] <elky> and since they predominently use feminine nicks, i'm not going to stick with "they" thanks
[05:16] <elky> er, i am going to*
[05:16] <pavlushka> ok correction he/she
[05:17] <pavlushka> or htey
[05:17] <pavlushka> they
[09:14] <kosmos890> I delete Downloads folder. How do I reset it (with the download icon) ?
[09:41] <m3n3chm0> hello, I have a big issue with Nvidia drivers so I decided uninstall everything and reinstall but I'm getting an error just for the last package named  nvidia-opencl-icd-340
[09:41] <m3n3chm0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23297476/
[10:05] <peruano> why are the xubuntu mirrors so slow
[10:05] <peruano> I'm currently getting 91kb/s
[10:05] <peruano> and I have 75mbits from comcast
[10:13] <knome> the mirrors are provided by volunteering organizations - try another one if one is slow.
[10:17] <peruano> how to change it haha
[10:26] <peruano> editing some source files?
[10:31] <knome> settings manager -> software & updates -> "Download from:"
[10:34] <peruano> wow
[11:11] <peruano> how can I tell if xubuntu has 3d acceleration? I'm on a pentium 3
[11:15] <peruano> is there a xubuntu for 286 computers?
[11:15] <dualbootxubuntu> having problems trying too boot my xubuntu it tells me my kernel is not loaded any tips
[12:58] <resetneacCZ> d
[12:58] <mrkramps> b
[12:59] <resetneacCZ> Ugh
[12:59] <resetneacCZ> Hey
[12:59] <mrkramps> yeH
[12:59] <mrkramps> :)
[12:59] <resetneacCZ> Im just installed xubuntu on my netbook
[12:59] <resetneacCZ> And... i really dont know for what is this room for
[12:59] <mrkramps> support
[13:00] <mrkramps> in case you have questions or problems
[13:00] <resetneacCZ> then im on the bad way
[13:00] <resetneacCZ> thanks  ^^
[13:02] <mrkramps> i guess, this is more a good indication for xubuntu running well =D
[13:20] <dualbootxubuntu> i'm having problems booting xubuntu it tells me my kernel is not loaded any tips?
[13:20] <dualbootxubuntu> the insatallation said that it is installed correctly
[13:21] <mrkramps> exact error message, pls
[13:25] <dualbootxubuntu> well at first when I try to boot up I get to a black screen with text then I type boot and then it says "You have to load the kernel first"
[14:09] <kimmokk> Hello gyes. how to get silverlight working 16.04 xubuntu
[14:09] <kimmokk> eli mite saa toimimaan
[14:11] <mrkramps> https://askubuntu.com/questions/790120/unable-to-install-silverlight-in-ubuntu-16-04-after-using-tutorial-from-multiple#811929
[16:47] <xubuntu47w> how do i create a new user
[16:47] <xubuntu47w> hello anyone there
[16:47] <xubuntu47w> guess not
[16:47] <xubuntu47w> peace out
[19:48] <peruano> this channel is dead
[19:51] <mrkramps> if nobody asks questions nobody writes answers
[19:52] <peruano> ok I ask
[19:52] <peruano> how can I tell if xubuntu has 3d acceleration? I'm on a pentium 3
[19:55] <mrkramps> peruano, sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[19:55] <mrkramps> glxinfo | grep rendering
[19:56] <peruano> ok wait I asked this question last night my laptop is off now
[19:57] <mrkramps> just check if output is "direct rendering: Yes"
[19:58] <peruano> k
[20:03] <peruano> it says yes, does this means I don't have to install mesa-utils? also how to see a 3d animation from mesa
[20:09] <peruano> I see I typed glxgears haha
[20:10] <peruano> i get 7 or 8fps is that low
[20:10] <mrkramps> peruano, lspci -nnk | grep "VGA\|'Kern'\|3D\|Display" -A2
[20:11] <mrkramps> will output your gfx card and driver in use
[20:13] <peruano> kern not found
[20:14] <peruano> rage mobility 128agp 2x/mobility m3
[20:14] <peruano> it also showed my ethernet controller
[20:16] <mrkramps> driver support ist not bad for these old cards, but you cannot expect much performance nowadays
[20:17] <peruano> I just wanted to use it with 3d acceleration whateverit can do
[20:18] <mrkramps> peruano, way more important is the 2D hardware acceleration ;)
[20:18] <peruano> oh wow
[20:18] <peruano> I never thought about that
[20:19] <mrkramps> yes, one has to keep in mind, most of the output is rendered in 2d
[20:20] <peruano> yea
[20:20] <peruano> also my network is too slow but I didn't get any dmesg message about missing some firmware like I get on debian how to know my nic is properly running
[20:21] <peruano> my network card on the laptop is slow
[20:21] <mrkramps> ethernet or wifi?
[20:21] <peruano> ethernet wired
[20:22] <mrkramps> lspci | grep Ethernet
[20:22] <peruano> I get speed of 160kb/s while from the same url on another pc I get 2MB
[20:23] <peruano> digital equipment corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)
[20:24] <peruano> it's a 10 year old pcmcia card I think
[20:27] <mrkramps> pretty old entries concerning this device
[20:42] <peruano> so how can I make it faster
[20:43] <mrkramps> no idea, might be a new driver issue, might be some kernel issue with pcmcia, or according BIOS settings
[20:45] <peruano> k
[20:59] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[20:59] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I properly install and setup Compiz in Xubuntu?


[07:01] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: hi, I am going to upload 390.87 in cosmic, just FYI
[13:39] <tomreyn> hi, i just learnt that xdriinfo and thgus driconf is apparently generally broken in 18.04(.1). https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x11-utils/+bug/1787845
[13:40] <tomreyn> is this something you'd be concerned about?
[13:40] <tomreyn> (is there a good / better workaround?)


[03:16] <superm1> hmm radeon KMS appears to not let my second monitor work
[03:17] <superm1> that's a bit annoying
[06:38] <tjaalton> superm1: check the new kernel (-16) once it's built
[06:39] <tjaalton> and pushed out of NEW
[06:40] <superm1> tjaalton, okay will do
[06:47] <tjaalton> it has the drm backport, so that ought to help
[06:47] <tjaalton> maybe together with -ati 6.12.191
[07:04] <Sarvatt> yay blob broken once again - FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'rcu_lock_map'
[07:06] <Sarvatt> they like locking nvidia out some new way every new merge window :)
[07:44] <libv> and all they do is alienate nvidia users more
[09:12] <superm1> tseliot, i wanted to ask you what the plan for how remixs/derivatives should be supporting a plymouth theme.  the artsy folks for mythbuntu need to have some sort of idea what they should be targeting
[09:13] <superm1> it seems silly to produce a whole new theme with all that logic you have in the .script, so just dropping a logo in place seems more ideal
[09:14] <tseliot> superm1: the idea is to make some packages which will introduce a new logo (and maybe change the writings colour and the background colour) and use alternatives to select the theme
[09:14] <tseliot> the plan is, of course, to reuse the .script file
[09:15] <superm1> tseliot, ah yeah, that would work swell.  so target the same resolution as the logo you ship then currently and things should work fine
[09:15]  * tseliot nods
[09:15] <superm1> okay i'll feed that back to them, thanks!
[09:16] <tseliot> np
[11:18] <mvo> tjaalton: hi, I just finished debugging a odd upgrade issue from a hardy->lucid upgrade and it turns out that xorg read a really old XCF86Config-4 that wants to load i810. should u-m on upgrade remove/move  XF86Config-4 ?
[11:23] <tjaalton> mvo: oh yes
[11:24] <mvo> :)
[11:24] <mvo> ok
[11:24]  * mvo will add code after lunch
[11:26] <tjaalton> though it's strange that it would read it, can't find any reference to it
[11:26] <tjaalton> from the code
[11:31] <tjaalton> hmm ok, found it
[11:37] <tjaalton> mvo: or maybe append the name with .obsolete or something
[11:37] <tjaalton> instead of removing
[11:37] <mvo> tjaalton: ok, I will do that
[11:38] <mvo> tjaalton: should I file bugreport about i830 and kernel mode setting failing horrible? or is that HW considered just outdated
[11:38] <tjaalton> mvo: I think the plan is to make the kernel use !kms on those
[11:38] <tjaalton> while the driver still supports it
[11:39] <tjaalton> so the problem should be known already
[11:39] <tjaalton> apw: ^^
[11:40] <mvo> tjaalton, apw: ok, thanks. let me know if you need a bugreport about it, i830+kms = blank screen. along the same lines, should "nofb" imply "nomodeset" ? I tried nofb to get a a terminal, but no luck until I discovered nomodeset
[11:41] <apw> mvo, i assume that you have this issue with the drm33 backport?
[11:41] <mvo> (otherwise I'm pretty happy that the "intel" supports my old i830 chip again with a reasonable speed)
[11:41] <apw> and if so then yes we would want a bug on that
[11:41] <tjaalton> oh the meta was updated
[11:42] <apw> tjaalton, litttery just now
[11:42] <tjaalton> yeah :)
[11:43] <mvo> apw: this is with whatever is in lucid currently (<IP_ADDRESS>.16)
[11:43] <tjaalton> so it's still the .32 drm, try with -16 which should be available now
[11:44] <mvo> ok
[11:44]  * mvo updates
[11:46] <tjaalton> you probably need to install the new kernel manually until the new linux-meta has been published
[12:29] <apw> mvo let me know when you have that test result, as if we need to blacklist you you'd be a good test case for the blacklisting support
[12:57] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, what is that error supposed to mean?
[13:11] <mvo> apw: ok, so: Linux version 2.6.32-16-generic (buildd@rothera) ; fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device ; fb1: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device - blank screen both console and X. so -16 does not fix it for me
[13:11] <jcristau> ugh.  that's wrong.
[13:11] <mvo> intel8x0: clocking to 48000
[13:11] <mvo>  Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48
[13:12] <jcristau> although maybe fb1 doesn't matter..
[13:13] <mvo> (rebooting with nofb:) nofb is not honored: "fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device"
[13:15] <mvo> nomodeset makes it happy again
[13:19] <apw> mvo does blacklisting vga16fb help any?
[13:19] <mvo> apw: give me a minute
[13:23] <mvo> bug #534375 - vga16fb I try next, I just did it, but for some reason it loaded it anyway, maybe wrong blacklist file
[14:08] <mvo> apw: no change with blacklisted vga16fb
[14:08] <tjaalton> it's probably using a wrong output
[14:08] <apw> mvo, thanks ...
[14:08] <mvo> tjaalton: interssting, what can I do to control that?
[14:09] <tjaalton> if X loads and you can hear the login sound
[14:09] <tjaalton> I'm not sure if you can :)
[14:09] <mvo> heh :)
[14:09] <mvo> ok
[14:09] <apw> sounds like we need a bug ...
[14:09] <mvo> when i pass "nomodeset" all is fine
[14:09] <tjaalton> bug 534375
[14:09]  * mvo boots again now to run apport-collect
[14:10] <tjaalton> well maybe it just needs a quirk like the ddx driver
[14:10] <tjaalton> though you'd think those were ported over
[14:18] <mvo> tjaalton: the xf85EdidModes.c stuff in xserver-xorg-core?
[14:18] <tjaalton> mvo: no, the ones in -intel
[14:19] <tjaalton> I believe there are some for 830 chips
[14:20] <Sarvatt> mvo: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=commit;h=7b9c5abee98c54f85bcc04bd4d7ec8d5094c73f4
[14:20] <Sarvatt> its just not in linus' tree yet
[14:21] <tjaalton> heh, that's likely the cause
[14:27] <Sarvatt> mvo: the symptom in the log is likely the cause he meant, that commit is the fix :)
[14:31] <tjaalton> right :)
[14:35] <bjsnider> tseliot, what does jockey mean by saying that nvidia-current is activated but not in use?
[14:36] <tseliot> bjsnider: maybe that the module is not loaded but the package is installed
[14:38] <bjsnider> the nvidia driver is loaded
[14:38] <bjsnider> this guy's system is seriously pooched
[14:38] <bjsnider> nouveau and vesa are not loaded
[14:40] <Sarvatt> probably no nvidia xorg.conf in that state
[14:41] <Sarvatt> if its like my machine when i get in that state :)
[14:41] <bjsnider> we'll see
[14:41] <tjaalton> I need to find out why nvidia dkms fails to build here ("make[1]: Makefile: No such file or directory")
[14:42] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: that error from earlier was because they exported a symbol as GPL only in the 2.6.34 kernel so the nvidia module cant use it, sorry missed the question
[14:43] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, i don't even know how to respond to that
[14:47] <bjsnider> what possible justification could there be for doing such a thing? how could that possibly help anything?
[14:50] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: where did you get that error?
[14:50] <tjaalton> this thread? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2203489
[14:52] <mvo> Sarvatt: thanksf for the git link, I'm building a updated kernel now to see if that fixes the problem (will take a while, this is a old machine :)
[14:52] <Sarvatt> yeah and it was this commit http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=f5f654096487c6d526c47bb66308f9de81f091cf
[14:53] <bjsnider> whose code is it?
[14:53] <Sarvatt> actually, ya can try a drm-intel-next kernel from the mainline-ppa
[14:54] <Sarvatt> that commit should be in this one mvo - http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-next/current/
[14:56] <mvo> Sarvatt: cool, downloading now
[15:00] <Sarvatt> i've made 6 bad lid state quirks this past week for people, getting to be a really common problem and I think I convinced the intel guys to add the ignore acpi lid state module option patch upstream eventually so things are at least usable without recompiling a kernel when UMS userland isn't around
[15:00] <Sarvatt> we're sticking with 2.9.1 it looks like but we still have it set to KMS only with a configure flag at build time
[15:01] <Sarvatt> probably better off using vesa any which is what happens with nomodeset anyway on that 830 though :)
[15:05] <mvo> Sarvatt: no change (with the intrl-drm-next) kernel. well, right. I don't mind how the problem is fixed, I just don't like the regression on lts->lts upgrade, especially since even "recovery mode" will result in this blank screen so a normal (even a technical) user will have a hard time with the bug
[15:06] <mvo> (also of course this hardware is pretty dated by now)
[15:09] <zniavre> good afternoon im alwais experienced some nvidia-173 worrie with nvidia-settings it works but there some bugs quite annoying, am i to the good place to ask ?
[15:09] <zniavre> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/187396/screenshot4.png
[15:10] <zniavre> always*
[15:11] <zniavre> i filed a bug report few weeks ago about the same bug , i did what the mainteners ask but it did not solved the nvidia-settings bug
[15:11] <zniavre> what should i do ?
[15:51] <Alice_32> hi does anyone know if is there any chance to get ati card work in lucid>? at the moment im using open source driver and the problem is that it use 50% of my cpu and the catalyst driver doesnt work at all any advice, help?
[16:05] <Sarvatt> Alice_32: try adding radeon.modeset=0 to your kernel command line
[16:06] <diverse_izzue> i have trouble with external screens on lucid since kernel -15. kernel -15 didn't boot at all with an external screen connected, kernel -16 boots, but i have a very jittery image. i had seen the same behaviour under karmic if i ran it with a 2.6.33 kernel.
[16:13] <Sarvatt> hmm so nvidia-settings isn't really backwards compatable at the moment?
[16:13] <Sarvatt> perhaps that calls for a nvidia-settings-173 and such
[16:14] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, ^^, any idea how to debug?
[16:22] <tseliot> there is only one nvidia-settings in Ubuntu
[16:23] <Sarvatt> yeah it doesnt work with 173 apparently from zniavre's comments earlier
[16:24] <Sarvatt> if it fails to query some extensions the older driver doesnt support its not showing the configuration panel for that section at all it looks like
[16:27] <Sarvatt> I wonder if we're hitting this in any of our nvidia bugs - http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=148652
[16:28] <tseliot> Sarvatt: do we have a bug report about it?
[16:29] <Sarvatt> especially now that we just reenabled RENDER
[16:29] <Sarvatt> i dont know, its the type of bug you need to manually check the xorg log to see if an extension was silently not getting enabled
[16:31] <tjaalton> n-s is open source, so it's fixable
[16:51] <apw> is it possible to tell under X whether you are running using the emergency fallback X server?
[16:52] <tseliot> apw: maybe gdm keeps track of this in its logs?
[16:53] <tseliot> bryceh should know more about this
[16:53] <apw> tseliot, it seems like something we should get reported by apport if we can tell
[17:04] <cnd> bryceh: what's the plan for nvidia 195 drivers?
[17:04] <tseliot> apw: that's a good idea
[17:04] <tseliot> cnd: we're waiting for news from Nvidia
[17:05] <cnd> there's a suspend/resume bug that is present in 195, but not 190
[17:06] <cnd> tseliot: is there an eta on that?
[17:06] <tseliot> cnd: are you sure that it doesn't depend on the combination kernel/driver?
[17:07] <cnd> tseliot: the resume bug occurs on the new .33 drm kernel with 195
[17:07] <cnd> I think any other combo is ok
[17:09] <tjaalton> the blob doesn't use drm at all
[17:13] <cnd> tjaalton: yes, but it still seems to cause issues
[17:23] <tjaalton> cnd: what about mainline 2.6.33?
[17:26] <tjaalton> cnd: what about mainline 2.6.33?
[17:45] <Sarvatt> cnd: so it works fine with -15 and not with -16, you're sure of that and can reproduce it?
[17:46] <bryceh> apw, well it's invoked with an option to use xorg.conf.failsafe and Xorg.failsafe.log, so easy thing would be to look at ps and see if a command with those options is present
[18:10] <cnd> I just installed the nvidia-current package, but xorg.conf wasn't generated
[18:10] <cnd> how can I generate it?
[18:10] <cnd> (this is on lucid)
[18:12] <jcristau> $EDITOR
[18:13] <cnd> jcristau: ummm... yeah, I've already done that route, but I don't know what the values should be now
[18:13] <cnd> is driver still nvidia or nvidia-current
[18:13] <cnd> neither seems to work for me
[18:13] <bjsnider> jockey will generate it for you
[18:14] <cnd> bjsnider: is there a way to invoke that from tty?
[18:14] <cnd> or do I need to use vesa to get into X to start jockey?
[18:14] <bjsnider> vesa i assume
[18:14] <cnd> ahhh, looks like jockey-text may work
[18:16] <cnd> yep, jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current did the trick
[18:30] <Sarvatt> ack, tickets to brussels for UDS are crazy
[18:31] <Sarvatt><EMAIL_ADDRESS>\o/ \o/
[18:53] <apw> bryceh, thanks
[19:11] <Sarvatt> hmm, thinking about redoing ppa-purge as a graphical utility, anyone have any recommendations on where a good place to hook it into an existing package would be instead of making it a standalone app?
[19:11] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah in fact I was thinking of this yesterday
[19:12] <bryceh> there exists a utility add-apt-repository (installed by default I think??)
[19:12] <bryceh> I was thinking, "Sarvatt's ppa-purge is sort of like rm-apt-repository - I wish it was included in whatever provides a-a-r"
[19:17] <Sarvatt> hmmm
[19:18] <Sarvatt> checking out software-properties now
[20:10] <Sarvatt> if anyone is using nouveau on edgers -  I'm uploading a lbm-nouveau and it needed alot of work readding nouveau back to it, can ya tell me if it works with the -16 kernel? keep in mind you'll need to blacklist nouveau manually at the moment until I fix that
[20:33] <mvo> bryceh: that sounds like a good idea (to include rm-apt-repository)
[20:33] <mvo> Sarvatt: you have a working script for this already (purge-ppa?)
[20:33] <bryceh> mvo, yeah we've been using it in xorg-edgers for some time now (but it should work well with any arbitrary repo)
[20:34] <mvo> cool
[20:34] <mvo> where can I find it?
[20:34] <mvo> oh, I have it already
[20:34]  * mvo looks closer
[20:35] <bryceh> yeah... https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+files/ppa-purge_0.2.6.dsc
[20:35] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/ppa-purge
[20:35] <mvo> nice (and a nice idea)
[20:35] <mvo> I put it on my todo list, I'm about to leave for today (but couldn't resist looking at it :)
[20:36] <bryceh> :-)
[20:38]  * mvo waves
[21:44] <RAOF> bryceh: In ubuntu-x?
[21:44] <bryceh> sure
[21:44] <RAOF> Would seem a little bit more on-topic :)
[21:44] <bryceh> the kernel freeze is coming up thursday
[21:44] <bryceh> apw is uploading the kernel for that tomorrow morning his time
[21:44] <bryceh> he wanted to know what to do about the nouveau api bump this go around
[21:45] <RAOF> I think we sit on the current api.
[21:46] <tjaalton> upstream is going to stabilize it during the next two months, and call the result 1.0.0
[21:46] <RAOF> Right, that too.
[21:46] <bryceh> by current api do you mean not the new api?
[21:46] <RAOF> And by “stabilize” they mean “break it again until they're reasonably happy with it”.
[21:46] <RAOF> By current api I mean the api we have in lucid at the moment; the 0.0.15 api.
[21:46] <bryceh> ok good
[21:47] <RAOF> 0.0.16 looks like it'll be broken within 2 months anyway.
[21:47] <bryceh> for lack of better info, that's essentially what apw and I decided to do for now
[21:47] <bryceh> if we wish to change it, it could be changed post-beta1, given archive admin blessing
[21:48] <RAOF> I don't think we'll want to, but good to know.
[21:52] <Sarvatt> pretty much guaranteed to be at least 2 api breaks between now and what alot of the devs want to be in 1.0.0, seems pretty solid that they need more than 0.0.16 for 1.0.0 because they are working out how to stabilize it in a way thats compatable with the memory manager rewrite in the ~1 year from now timeframe
[21:55] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, you're talking about nouveau?
[21:55] <Sarvatt> theres also the issue of them putting nouveau_class.h into libdrm for some reason but thats not that big of a deal since lucid wont have mesa support.
[21:56] <Sarvatt> yep
[21:56] <bjsnider> linus ain't gonna like that
[21:56] <Sarvatt> nope :)
[21:57] <Sarvatt> but it looks like by then there will be a generic KMS fallback to guard against these things so you can at least get into X
[21:57] <RAOF> Well, you can do that now, can't you?  We should be falling back on fbdev to get to X.
[21:58] <RAOF> (And it worked for me, last time I tried it)
[22:00] <bryceh> ok yeah this all sounds good to me.  obviously we can't chase upstream forever so if the 16 api isn't likely to be The One, let's not knock ourselves out trying to get it.
[22:00] <bryceh> if that limits our backporting abilities, well such is life
[22:00] <apw> bryceh, ... that sounds like a sound position
[22:00] <bryceh> apw, right on cue :-)
[22:01] <bryceh> ok sounds like we're decided then
[22:01] <Landswellsong> Guys, sorry for storming in, does anybody knows if Xorg ubuntu's team accept part time job applications?
[22:03] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: what do I need to get just the nouveau gallium for lucid? rebuild mesa 7.8 from edgers?
[22:03] <bryceh> Landswellsong, if you mean canonical, no not to my knowledge
[22:04] <Landswellsong> bryceh: yep them. so it's fulltime-only?
[22:04] <bryceh> Landswellsong, *nod*
[22:04] <Sarvatt> RAOF: afaik if you boot with 0.0.16 api, have libdrm 0.0.15, have nouveau installed compiled against 0.0.15, nouveau is going to try to claim it and fail because of the drm vs things just working in slow mode in the future
[22:05] <bryceh> Landswellsong, ask canonical hr for a definitive answer; probably depends a bit on the role in question
[22:05] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: ya need libdrm nouveau a .34 kernel *and* mesa
[22:05] <Landswellsong> bryceh: are they present on IRC?
[22:06] <bryceh> Landswellsong, don't think so
[22:06] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: oh, because of the api bump?
[22:06] <Sarvatt> yup
[22:06] <tjaalton> duh
[22:06] <Landswellsong> bryceh: thanks a lot
[22:06] <Sarvatt> i put lbm-nouveau with the api bump in the PPA, for now you can just manually blacklist nouveau/rebuild initramfs
[22:07] <Sarvatt> need to update the ddx in edgers now and add a modprobe conf to blacklist nouveau to it
[22:10] <Sarvatt> hmm wonder if i should blacklist drm/ttm/drm_kms_helper too
[22:10] <Sarvatt> naah shouldn't need to, lbm-nouveau should only load the lbm- renamed ones
[22:13] <BUGabundo> o/
[22:21] <rye[fixing-x]> hello
[22:21] <BUGabundo> hey rye[fixing-x]
[22:22] <rye[fixing-x]> after the latest update I am unable to start my X
[22:22] <rye[fixing-x]> here's the dmesg - http://paste.ubuntu.com/391310/
[22:23] <rye[fixing-x]> the first item is that plymouth does not start, afterwards the X session looks extremely strange - green bars only
[22:24] <rye[fixing-x]> as I understand, there was some change to make nouveau driver the default
[22:25] <rye[fixing-x]> so I went forward and purged my nvidia modules to make it as clean as possible, and moved xorg.conf to a backup file
[22:26] <rye[fixing-x]> after this I can see the green bars (previously the screen was shutting down along with the backlight)
[22:26]  * rye[fixing-x] finished my sad story
[22:26] <rye[fixing-x]> BUGabundo, are there some related reports of this?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> rye[fixing-x]: what distro, version , gpu, and drivers?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> cause if it is lucid with nvidia, just purge plymouth
[22:29] <rye[fixing-x]> BUGabundo, lucid, nvidia, nouveau drivers (I believe)
[22:29] <rye[fixing-x]> BUGabundo, so I need to purge plymouth or I can remove splash from boot params?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> purge it
[22:32] <Sarvatt> RAOF: this look right? http://pastebin.com/eiA2GkC2
[22:33] <Sarvatt> and http://pastebin.com/drMm5vVs
[22:36] <Sarvatt> -16 kernel is in btw, dont we have to remove the lbm dep on the ddx now?
[22:37] <Sarvatt> going to just have a hard dep on the versioned lbm in edgers I guess
[22:42] <rye[fixing-x]> no compiz in nouveau, right?
[22:42] <rye[fixing-x]> BUGabundo, btw, thanks. Removed plymouth and got X back
[22:42] <BUGabundo> cool
[22:42] <BUGabundo> you can have 3D with nouveau
[22:42] <BUGabundo> with the version in xodger ppa
[22:49] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah, once the -16 kernel is in, pointed at by linux-meta, and mirrored we can drop the lbm dep.
[22:53] <Sarvatt> its in already, i got it this morning
[22:53] <Sarvatt> unless that was a new ppa one and i didnt notice..
[22:54] <Sarvatt> oops, postrm had an error in it, silly mistake
[22:54] <Sarvatt> ok new ddx uploaded to edgers with the blacklist changes and such
[22:56] <Sarvatt> both of my nvidia laptops are in use so i cant test any of this out :(
[22:59] <Sarvatt> btw it might be good to get the word out about the ignorelid module option on nouveau for people having black screen after boot problems
[23:00] <Sarvatt> on laptops
[23:01] <BUGabundo> like me ?
[23:02] <Sarvatt> if you're having that problem with nouveau yeah
[23:03] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, and me
[23:03] <Sarvatt> boot with nouveau.ignorelid=1 with the 2.6.32-16 kernel, or lbm-nouveau.ignorelid=1 with xorg-edgers PPA
[23:03] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, additionally, the VTs were unusable so if I had no other laptop then it would take a while to understand what to blame...
[23:04] <Sarvatt> if it fixes it for you file a bug with dmesg and dmidecode output, subscribe me to it and i'll upstream a quirk for your machine
[23:06] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, I got X back when I purged the plymouth, as BUGabundo suggested
[23:06] <Sarvatt> alrighty, that wasnt the problem then
[23:06] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, are lid detection and plymouth connected?
[23:07] <Sarvatt> nah plymouth has lots of issues right now and its not strange to have it boot up to a blank screen sometimes :D
[23:08] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, are there any public announcement that will make sure people with nVidia hw will know that they will not have 3d in Lucid ?
[23:08] <rye[fixing-x]> including compiz?
[23:09] <Sarvatt> darnit, looks like I screwed up the lbm-nouveau packaging
[23:09] <RAOF> rye[fixing-x]: No, but that's because it's the status-quo.
[23:10] <Sarvatt> ahhh darnit, control.stub.in overwrote the control.stub
[23:10] <RAOF> rye[fixing-x]: We're expecting users who want 3D to install the proprietary nvidia drivers, just like they do today.  Nouveau is being used as a better -nv.
[23:10] <Sarvatt> no nouveau for edgers till tomorrow, dont have time to rewrite the control a third time
[23:11] <rye[fixing-x]> RAOF, so if I got my X broken with the latest upgrades then it was not really intended?
[23:12] <RAOF> If you got your X broken with the lates upgrades, I'd like you to file a bug!
[23:13] <rye[fixing-x]> RAOF, here's what I got after reboot- http://paste.ubuntu.com/391310/
[23:13] <Sarvatt> hmm, not sure what i need to do to make sure the nouveau stuff i add to control and control.stub persists after building the source package..
[23:13] <rye[fixing-x]> omg... ACPI Warning: _BQC returned an invalid level (20090903/video-631) - not again.... regression in kernel..
[23:14] <RAOF> Sarvatt: You're after control.stub.in and control.d/flavour-something-or-other
[23:14] <Sarvatt> your bios is screwed up, probably designed for windows only like most HP's
[23:15] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, no, I had this fixed in Karmic, there was a bug in the kernel leading to missing backlight support
[23:16] <Sarvatt> do you have a platform driver to handle backlight for your machine?
[23:16] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, but backlight is working now...
[23:16] <rye[fixing-x]> omg.
[23:17] <Sarvatt> like thinkpad-acpi or something
[23:17] <rye[fixing-x]> Ok, I will try to restore my system to previous state, reproduce the actual failure with nvidia drivers and report if that is reproducible
[23:17] <Sarvatt> its just a warning, if you have a platform driver handling backlight controls anyway it should be fine
[23:19] <Sarvatt> RAOF: hmm control.stub.in only has 2 packages in it
[23:20] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, frankly speaking, i don't remember the details - bug 428910. Ok, restoring proprietary nvidia drivers
[23:20] <Sarvatt> ahah control.d/flavour-control.stub
[23:21] <Sarvatt> comment #5 in that bug explains the problem pretty clearly
[23:23] <Sarvatt> hmm did tseliot remove the nouveau blacklist from nvidia-current and replace it with lbm-nouveau?
[23:25] <RAOF> I thought both were blacklisted.
[23:25] <RAOF> That could cause some consternation if so!
[23:26] <Sarvatt> hmm I see it in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[23:26] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/534469
[23:26] <Sarvatt> its not blacklisted for that person
[23:29] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, are you talking about my case?
[23:29] <Sarvatt> no
[23:30] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, i see that something cannot open nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf on boot, btw
[23:31] <Sarvatt> really?
[23:31] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, yes, but the symlink is actually present
[23:31] <Sarvatt> ugh, dont tell me that update-initramfs doesn't pack .conf's that are links in the initrd
[23:32] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, will unpack the initrd now...
[23:32] <Sarvatt> that'd mean all blob users are broken with the -16 kernel right now
[23:33] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah.  Are you investigating, or shall I?
[23:33] <RAOF> Sarvatt: That's the sort of OMG bug that warrants a bit of attention :)
[23:34] <Sarvatt> it's in my 2.6.32-15 initrd
[23:34] <Sarvatt> so thats not the problem at least
[23:35] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, nvidia-graphics-drivers is a symlink to /etc/alternatives symlink that links to /usr/lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf
[23:36]  * rye[fixing-x] is decompressing my initrd...
[23:36] <Sarvatt> yep, i was  just worried it wasn't packing symlinks into the initrd but it is
[23:36] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, but is it going that deep ?
[23:37] <Sarvatt> its not a symlink in the initrd
[23:38] <rye[fixing-x]> true
[23:39] <Sarvatt> upgrading this machine to -16 now to see if theres anything screwy there
[23:43] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, I get 'Failed to open config file nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf: No such file or directory'
[23:43] <Sarvatt> where?
[23:43] <rye[fixing-x]> don't see the path though :-/
[23:44] <Sarvatt> you get that during boot?
[23:44] <rye[fixing-x]> during the boot procedure right after fsck finishes checking the drives
[23:44] <rye[fixing-x]> hm... actually during fsck checks the drives...
[23:45] <Sarvatt> ok thats not good..
[23:45] <RAOF> Sing out if you'd like some help.
[23:46] <bjsnider> RAOF is just itching to get in on this one
[23:47] <rye[fixing-x]> I might have not noticed it earlier because there were no nouveau drivers that could grab the hw w/o the blacklist rules, right?
[23:47]  * RAOF will be very happy to let Sarvatt handle it while RAOF fixes f-spot mem leaks.
[23:47] <Sarvatt> there was though, lbm-nouveau but it wasn't in the same directory as the other drivers so it probably got checked to load
[23:47] <Sarvatt> I don't know whats up RAOF
[23:48] <Sarvatt> my nvidia box didn't survive a reboot and i'm not at home with it :(
[23:49] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, sorry about that :(
[23:49] <Sarvatt> checked to load after it tried to load nvidia
[23:49] <Sarvatt> I meant*
[23:50] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll have a look.
[23:50] <rye[fixing-x]> hm, if that is in initrd... no, fsck is not finished, so ...
[23:51] <rye[fixing-x]> hm
[23:52] <rye[fixing-x]> I have /usr on a separate partition. Assuming that / gets mounted early, with /etc having modprobe symlink pointing to not-yet-existing /usr...
[23:52] <Sarvatt> changing nvidia-* to install seperate .conf's instead of an alternative is probably what needs to be done
[23:54] <RAOF> rye[fixing-x]: That's a good thought; we (try to) support /usr on a separate partition, but it's not exactly a common configuration.
[23:54] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, let me remove the symlink and make it a proper file...
[23:54] <Sarvatt> rye[fixing-x]: when you extract your initrd the etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-whatever.conf has the right contents in it?
[23:55] <Sarvatt> gzip -dc < /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-16-generic  | cpio -i
[23:55] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, yes, the initrd has a regular file, not a symlink
[23:55] <Sarvatt> will extract it to the current directory
[23:57]  * rye[fixing-x] reboots the nVidia box with symlink on the root fs replaced with a normal file
[23:57] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, and it workeds
[23:57] <Sarvatt> you should be able to just manually add a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf with blacklist nouveau in it, sudo update-initramfs -u then reboot to see if that works where the symlink doesnt
[23:57] <rye[fixing-x]> *worked
[23:58] <Sarvatt> ah
[23:58] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, so that means that everyone with /usr on a separate partition will have such issue with -16
[23:58] <rye[fixing-x]> Sarvatt, but I still can't understand why it uses the live /, not initrd  one :-/
[23:58] <Sarvatt> possibly even without /usr seperate which is the worrying thing :(
[23:59] <Sarvatt> if /usr is on / and / is getting fscked..
[23:59] <RAOF> I'm rebooting now to check.


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[13:39] <jbicha> darkxst: interesting LP: #1719322
[22:31] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh makes sense to remove those patches no Unity is deprecated.
[22:40] <darkxst> gdm theme is fixed, ended up just setting it from default-settings pkg since didrocks appeared to intentially set priority below ubuntu theme
[22:48] <jbicha> those particular patches aren't really needed on Unity except if you want the locally integrated menus feature to work
[22:50] <jbicha> I'm going to check with seb or someone about eog & evince in case UIFE is an issue there


[00:58] <cyphermox> ahoneybun: if you want to test dailies, make sure you look at iso.qa.ubuntu.com to see which image is up for testing, and mark it so we know you're testing something
[01:21] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: I have been
[01:23] <ahoneybun> mark?
[01:34] <ahoneybun> any ninjas around?
[01:45] <ahoneybun> latest build work fine with manual partitioning
[01:47] <valorie> you are marking that in the qa site, right?
[01:47] <valorie> I assume that is what cyphermox meant, ahoneybun
[01:47] <ahoneybun> no way to
[01:48] <valorie> what?
[01:48] <valorie> of course there is
[01:48] <valorie> what would be the point of a qa site with no way to report results?
[01:48] <ahoneybun> now there is
[01:49] <ahoneybun> it keeps disappearing
[01:49] <valorie> strange
[01:49] <ahoneybun> unless there is a new image...
[01:49] <valorie> new image today; the final
[01:49] <ahoneybun> damn it
[01:50] <ahoneybun> I keep being late
[01:50] <valorie> about 4 hours ago
[01:50] <ahoneybun> 20150421.1
[01:50] <ahoneybun> I have 20150421
[01:50] <valorie> [14:16] [Notice] -queuebot to #kubuntu-devel- [16:52:54] Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Vivid Final] has been updated (20150421.1)
[01:50] <valorie> [14:16] [Notice] -queuebot to #kubuntu-devel- [16:52:59] Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Vivid Final] has been updated (20150421.1)
[01:50] <valorie> heh
[01:50]  * ahoneybun did not see that
[01:50] <valorie> you can zsync it
[01:50]  * ahoneybun clueless
[01:51] <valorie> should only take a sec to update
[01:51] <valorie> !zsync
[01:51] <ahoneybun> so I could see report my findings without reinstalling>
[01:51] <ahoneybun> ?
[01:52] <valorie> you'll have to update your iso
[01:52] <valorie> and reload that
[01:52] <valorie> or just upgrade
[01:53] <valorie> you are testing in a vm?
[01:53]  * ahoneybun has redownload, reinstalled 3-4 times and has one 1 report
[01:53] <ahoneybun> real hardware
[01:53] <valorie> just update and full-upgrade
[01:54] <valorie> and you'll be golden
[01:54] <ahoneybun> and then report my findings?
[01:56]  * ahoneybun wants to leave reports to help
[02:14] <valorie> yes of course
[06:19] <soee> good morning
[07:51] <vip> hello
[07:51] <soee> hiho vip
[08:16] <Riddell>              ddddd
[08:16] <Riddell> sorry, fixing space bar :)
[08:18] <soee> :p
[08:18] <Riddell> so, 1 day to release
[08:18] <Riddell> testing testing!
[08:18] <Riddell> !testers | ISOs!
[08:21] <Riddell> jose: ovidiu-florin: how's the new website coming?
 the thing is already on the works
 I have already passed it on to them, they have the file already
 status, ask IS
[08:21] <vip> Riddell: only if I know the path to download .iso...
[08:21] <Riddell> vip: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds will have the links
[08:21] <soee> ;)
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what IS is
[08:22] <Riddell> ahoneybun: we're in release candidate period, we don't make dailies we just respin when we find problems with fixes
[08:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it means sysadmins in some silly professonal language
[08:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: #canonical-sysadmin
[08:22] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[08:22] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[09:00] <Riddell> I started a 15.10 board because someone contected me about kphotoalbum https://trello.com/b/knlSk3FO/15-10
[09:00] <Riddell> contacted
[09:34] <sitter> Riddell: needs admins assigned
[09:34] <sitter> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello
[09:39] <yofel> Riddell: the -dev packages are broken?
[09:43] <yofel> oh, right, someone dropped them in utopic....
[09:49] <Riddell> yofel: there's two people packaging kphotoalbum in ppas, I'll try and get them to come into kubuntu
[09:49] <Riddell> sitter: I added organisation people is that right?
[09:49] <yofel> what do they different from the archive packaging? add those -dev libs somehow?
[09:50] <Riddell> yes and a couple of patches to make the dev packages actually work for external apps
[09:50] <Riddell> digikam is most annoying in its habit of having libraries which are sometimes but not always external
[09:51] <Riddell> really the world should be just like qtwebengine and bundle everything :)
[09:51] <Riddell> mitya57: Mirv: have you guys seen that discussion on kde-core-devel?
[09:52] <Riddell> seems we aren't going to package it in ubuntu http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/86778
[09:52] <Riddell> right, plasma 5.3 backports should be ready now
[09:52] <yofel> we already have that, it's called windows
[09:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:54] <sitter> Riddell: read the wiki page? you need to enable the organization to join and then add a couple and mark them admin
[10:18] <lordievader> Riddell: Regarding bug 1445383 (the Akonadi bug), in todays image I can launch the KAddressBook without issues. Akonadi is also running quite a few processes.
[10:18] <lordievader> Not entirely sure how to test the bug further.
[10:18] <Riddell> lordievader: lovely, thanks
[10:18] <lordievader> This is a live-session by the by.
[10:18] <Riddell> I guess set up e-mail if you can but that's faffy
[10:19] <lordievader> With Gmail's Application passwords that is a bit annoying. Do you mind if I skip that?
[10:19] <Riddell> sure
[10:20] <yofel> I think to properly test that, you would have to set up akonadi with mysql 5.5, then update mysql to 5.6 and see what happens
[10:21] <lordievader> yofel: I can do that when it's installed, sure.
[10:21] <yofel> as vivid only has 5.6, easyest way would probably be an utopic -> vivid upgrade
[10:22]  * lordievader doesn't have Utopic available.
[10:22] <lordievader> The live-cd has 5.6 installed.
[10:23] <yofel> you could probably add the utopic sources and switch mysql to 5.5 (after stopping akonadi and wiping the DB)
[10:23] <Riddell> I'll test the upgrade in a bit
[10:27]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3-beta
[10:28] <Riddell> mparillo: one for social media (not wire) http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3-beta
[10:34] <Mirv> Riddell: I've followed lisandro's talks on the topic on the #debian-qt-kde
[10:42] <soee> Riddell: did you fixed the 2 issues (kubntu-desktop and ksysguard in 5.3 beta ) ?
[10:42] <mparillo> Riddell: Got it. 5.3 beta is already better for me on physical HW than 5.2, but a total mess in my VMware VM when I use open-vm-tools-desktop to enable maximizing my window. Of course, total mess is a bad bug report, so any tips on reporting it.
[10:43] <yofel> what happens?
[10:45] <soee> only these packages will be removed when upgrading to 5.3: libksgrd5 libksignalplotter5 libprocesscore5 libprocessui5 right ?
[10:45] <mparillo> The panel stays in the middle of the screen, everything becomes blurry, and almost completely unresponsive.
[10:45] <kfunk> what? 5.3 features energy consumption stats? cool :0
[10:46] <yofel> kfunk: in kinfocenter?
[10:46] <kfunk> yeah
[10:46] <yofel> sweet, need to look at that later
[10:46]  * kfunk gotta upgrade
[10:46] <kfunk> yofel: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3/kinfocenter-energy.png
[10:46] <kfunk> looks fancy
[10:47] <yofel> \o/
[10:48] <soee> i like thi name: libkf5activitiesexperimentalstats1
[10:51] <kfunk> yofel: it even works!
[10:53] <lordievader> Riddell: Regarding the other bug of yesterday (Libreoffice), the installer finished correctly even with the update checkbox checked.
[10:56] <Riddell> lordievader: which language?
[10:56] <soee> reboot
[10:57] <Riddell> soee: yes but please test them by removing staging ppa and adding kubuntu-ppa/beta and checking you can install kubuntu-desktop and kinfocenter and plasma-mediacenter and ksysguard
[11:01] <soee> back on 5.3beta
[11:02] <lordievader> Riddell: English.
[11:07] <mparillo> Tweeted, G+'d, and Facebooked. Are we close enough to test https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu omitting the apply 14.10 updates step.
[11:08] <soee> in 5.3beta konversation has some straneg icon oO
[11:08] <mparillo> soee: Like a megaphone?
[11:08] <soee> mparillo: yes
[11:09] <lordievader> yofel: How do I stop akonadi and wipe the db?
[11:09]  * ahoneybun is a admin :)
[11:10] <mparillo> In default breeze, it is a colored megaphone on the application launcher, which makes it a closer match to the white megaphone in the black oval I get when I drag it down the the panel. On 5.2, it was a cartoon balloon with a hash inside on the application launcher.
[11:10] <Riddell> lordievader: I wonder if it's language specific
[11:11] <Riddell> !testers | please check non-english installs
[11:11] <lordievader> Riddell: I'll set it to Dutch next time.
[11:12] <soee> ill able to test after 20:00 cet :(
[11:13] <Riddell> mparillo: yes please update VividUpgrades page (using images from UtopicUpgrades is fine for the muon notifications) and remove the 14.10 updates as I'm pretty sure that's not needed (testing now) and do test the upgrade :)
[11:13] <vip> Riddell: works
[11:13] <vip> Riddell: 64bit iso
[11:13] <Riddell> vip: what does?
[11:13] <vip> Riddell: installed under virtualbox, works, language: polish
[11:14] <Riddell> vip: great
[11:15] <lordievader> vip: With the update checkbox checked?
[11:15] <mparillo> Riddell: OK, testing the upgrade from 14.10 now. Will remove the bit about upgrading first if it works.
[11:15] <vip> lordievader: naarp, did next-next-next installation
[11:15] <lordievader> Hmm...
[11:15] <vip> lordievader: I can test it again, no problem
[11:15]  * lordievader wonders if the bug is triggered by non-english + update.
[11:16] <lordievader> vip: I'll test it too. But with a different language ;)
[11:18] <Riddell> yeah I guess it'll be something obscure as else we'd have noticed it, maybe dutch :)
[11:19] <lordievader> Hehe, probably ;)
[11:20] <Riddell> scary thing, update-manager has a cache so I thought update notifications were not working but they are if you remove the cache
[11:22] <Riddell> hmm gb.archive is 10 times faster than es.archive even in spain
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:37] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj, comeing to help out the vivid testing party?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Riddell, sure ...what's the chat name?
[11:39] <Riddell> umm, vivid testing party chat?
[11:39] <soee> ;)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> heh ok
[11:40] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds
[11:41] <lordievader> Riddell: Dutch install with updates completed. No problems.
[11:43] <Riddell> great
[11:43] <Riddell> lordievader: and the apps are all in dutch?
[11:43] <lordievader> Hehe, haven't seen a Dutch Kubuntu in ages... ;)
[11:43] <vip> same here
[11:43] <Riddell> ook
[11:43] <vip> but after installation, there are still 3 packages to update (as trayicon says)
[11:44] <lordievader> The only thing that I see is not in Dutch is the Driver Manger.
[11:44] <lordievader> All the rest seems Dutch.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> had a couple of crashes when exiting apps like konversation and kate, but immaterial since it didn'y happen during use
[11:46] <Riddell> that's because driver manager is translated in launchpad where there are not as many translators
[11:46] <Riddell> we've fixed that for Whimsy Wallnut
[11:46] <lordievader> Oehh, is that the codename for 15.10?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> oh no
[11:47] <Riddell> lordievader: it's the codename I just made up :)
[11:47] <BluesKaj> WW somewthing
[11:47] <lordievader> Riddell: Hehe, did you submit it as a suggestion?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> wacky wabbit
[11:53] <sitter> Riddell: we don't have an official name yet do we?
[11:55] <lordievader> Hmm, X is broken after the oem-config...
[11:56] <Riddell> sitter: nope
[11:57] <sitter> most annoying
[11:57] <Riddell> lordievader: what's broken about it?
[11:57] <lordievader> Or it is sddm.
[11:57]  * Riddell is pretty resigned to saying oem wo't work on this release
[11:57] <lordievader> When sddm is supposed to show I get a black screen.
[11:57] <lordievader> Does ssddm log somewhere?
[11:57] <Riddell> /var/log/sddm.log
[11:59] <lordievader> It shows some pam authentication failure. I didn't check any autologin stuff.
[12:01] <lordievader> Ah, X works. (If started manually anyways)
[12:01] <tuv0k> http://picpaste.com/snapshot6-jJytQt1P.png
[12:01] <BluesKaj> ok , going to try the daily on my other HDD, the upgrade here from 14.10 was more successful then the daily plus upgrades from 2 weeks ago in terms of plasma 4 supported apps like dolphin integration into plasma 5 ...the "look" between the 2 installs was very different
[12:02] <BluesKaj> then=than
[12:03] <lordievader> Hmm starting sddm manually doesn't give any hint on what is wrong.
[12:04] <lordievader> Riddell: No, can't pinpoint what is wrong with sddm. Should I file a bug or is it simply too bad?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> did you do systemctl enable sddm
[12:05] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It starts that is not the problem.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:05] <lordievader> Riddell: Oeh... would it be that it tries to automatically login as the oem user?
[12:07] <Riddell> lordievader: on the first reboot it should try to automatically login
[12:07] <Riddell> dunno if that works at all with sddm
[12:08] <Riddell> then you set up your computer and run oem-config-prepare
[12:08] <Riddell> and on the next reboot it should start oem-cofig (ubiquity in oem mode) for the user who just bought the computer
[12:08] <lordievader> Riddell: This is after running the oem-config.
[12:09] <lordievader> After the first reboot the oem user log in just fine.
[12:09] <Riddell> then you run  oem-config-prepare?
[12:09] <lordievader> After issueing the oem-config-prepare and rebooting I get the wizard.
[12:09] <lordievader> Then after that reboot. I get a black screen.
[12:09] <lordievader> In the sddm log there is an authentication failure.
[12:11] <Riddell> ok so it's all perfect until the final step
[12:11] <Riddell> lordievader: did you have to install oem-config at any time?
[12:11] <lordievader> No. Didn't install anything manually.
[12:11] <Riddell> lordievader: what's in /etc/sddm.something ?
[12:11] <Riddell> groovy so the oem-config not installed bug fixed itself
[12:12] <soee> spooky
[12:12] <lordievader> Ah, that shows and autologin for user oem...
[12:12] <Riddell> lordievader: remove that and restart sddm?
[12:12] <lordievader> Guess the oem-config forgot to update that file.
[12:12] <soee> do you gusy noticed tahat app response in 5.3.beta is much better ?
[12:12] <Riddell> silly oem-config
[12:13] <lordievader> Jup, after deleting the file SDDM starts fine.
[12:14] <BluesKaj> so yes, snappier
[12:14] <BluesKaj> soee,^
[12:14] <lordievader> Shall I file a bug against oem-config?
[12:14] <Riddell> lordievader: file a bug on ubiquity for that then please and let me know the number
[12:14] <Riddell> oem-config doesn't really exist, it's just ubiquity in disguise :)
[12:14] <lordievader> Check.
[12:20] <yofel> lordievader: stopping akonadi is 'akonadictl stop'
[12:20] <yofel> then delete .local/share/akonadi
[12:24] <lordievader> Riddell: Bug 1447144
[12:33] <soee> mparillo: i dont see 5.3beta info here https://plus.google.com/communities/108139456908538054874
[12:34] <Riddell> soee: it's on https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts I guess you can share it from there into the community?
[12:34] <Riddell> g+ is so confusing
[12:35] <Riddell> hopefully they'll shut it down soon
[12:35] <lordievader> yofel: I can't install mysql-server-core-5.5, it errors with kdepim-runtime requiring akonadi-server >= 1.8. Apt probably tries to downgrade Akonadi.
[12:37] <soee> Riddell: done
[12:37] <yofel> hm... I might have removed 5.5 from the allowed version list...
[12:40] <yofel> lordievader: I fear that really leaves a dist-upgrade as the most reasonable way to test thist
[12:41] <lordievader> Suppose so.
[12:41] <mparillo> Actually, I prefer what I seem to see on G+ to Facebook. That said, I posted to everybody, and after I did that, I did not see an option to share it to the community, as it was already shared to everybody.
[12:42] <mparillo> Marcin Sągol seemed to share it to the community.
[12:45] <Riddell> images are rebuilding!
[12:48] <lordievader> Ahhh....
[12:55] <tuv0k> testers needed for final 15.04 candidate images and upgrades, join us in #kubuntu-devel to help out
[12:56] <tuv0k> how can I test?
[12:56] <Riddell> tuv0k: images are rebuilding, they should arrive soon and notification will be on this channel and here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds
[12:56] <tuv0k> I'm already running 15.04 last update this morning
[12:56] <Riddell> needs a reinstall to test the install :)
[12:57] <tuv0k> format the drive or can I keep /home?
[12:57] <Riddell> yes, if you install over the partition without formatting it'll remove /usr and /etc et al but keep /home and others
[12:57] <tuv0k> cool
[12:58] <mparillo> My 14.10 -> 15.04 upgrade was successful, so I have removed the section on updating 14.10 from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:13] <Darkwing> Well, 15.04 hidpi is looking better
[13:14] <Sick_Rimmit> Hola me lovelies
[13:14] <Sick_Rimmit> I have a spanish friend who wants to know how to use Spanish characters in Ubuntu
[13:14] <Sick_Rimmit> Is that done these days with the Input Switcher
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Riddell, so the daily i just burned is already obsolete?
[13:15] <lordievader> Ah new images.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yup, think the one I used is 20150421
[13:17] <Riddell> BluesKaj: zsync down the new one
[13:18] <Riddell> hi hateball
[13:18] <Riddell> hateball: download new iso images and install it so tick the boxes on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[13:20] <Darkwing> Scaling is still rough but, better than most
[13:20] <Riddell> scaling?
[13:20] <Riddell> high dpi?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Riddell, never used zsync before , zsync url to imagefile patrh ?
[13:21] <Darkwing> Yeah
[13:21] <hateball> Riddell: Alright!
[13:21] <Darkwing> I've been bouncing around trying go find the best solution.
[13:22] <Riddell> BluesKaj: zsync url here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds/92413/downloads
[13:22] <Riddell> run  zsync <url> and it'll sync into the file in the current directory
[13:22] <hateball> Riddell: I was thinking if there was something related to testing certain apps or something, nothing like that?
[13:22] <Riddell> Darkwing: lots of improvements in that but mostly missed in plasma 5.2, install plasma 5.3 may help, it also need lots of app changes which d_ed is working on
[13:23] <Riddell> hateball: we need kontact tested on upgrade
[13:24] <hateball> Riddell: Right, so it's purely KDE stuff, and not things like this (which is what I have encountered) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344879 ?
[13:24] <Darkwing> Riddell: the freaky thing is how bad in general support is.
[13:29] <Darkwing> Gnome and gtk based systems handled it lazily
[13:29] <Darkwing> Just doubled the scale. So, for a non macbook it was way too big or way too small
[13:30] <Darkwing> Actually most did that, or ignored it
[13:30] <Darkwing> Unity got it closest. The scaling slider was in much smaller increments
[13:31] <Darkwing> But, I couldn't handle Unity any longer.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Riddell, brilliant, -o to the existing image too 2mins instead of 25 for a whole newone
[13:33] <BluesKaj> took
[13:34] <d_ed> Darkwing: open the fonts KCM, change "force fonts DPI"
[13:34] <d_ed> that's basically the sliding scale unity has
[13:34] <d_ed> GTK has the same, but under a property called TextScaling
[13:35] <d_ed> this both is completely separate to the pixmap doubling, yet at the same time also very related
[13:36] <Darkwing> d_ed I figured that out.
[13:36] <Darkwing> Its nice
[13:40] <d_ed> Darkwing: want to see the new config that will be there in 3 months?
[13:40] <Riddell> d_ed: ooh ooh yes :)
[13:40] <Darkwing> Yes please? :D
[13:41] <BluesKaj> ok, here goes , gonna install the latest image to my other hdd, bbl
[13:42] <Darkwing> Damn, quassel system is awesome.
[13:43] <Darkwing> quasseldroid is so helpful
[13:43] <tuv0k> its nice
[13:44] <Riddell> bah, you can't get better than ssh on your phone into a screen session
[13:44] <Darkwing> Lol I'm fond of guis
[13:44] <d_ed> here you are: http://imgur.com/PcUnkDm
[13:44] <Riddell> needing to type control-a 2 in a phone is just the ultimate security against people using it when your back it turned
[13:45] <d_ed> only problem I'm stuck on is working how to gracefully ram this into the kscreen UI
[13:45] <Darkwing> Screen doesn't notify my pebble
[13:46] <Darkwing> d_ed why not run it in the display area?
[13:47] <d_ed> it takes up too much space
[13:48] <Riddell> d_ed: separate kcm?
[13:48] <stoocot> Hi, I'm looking for information how to modify Breeze windows decorations under Plasma 5. I want to change size and color of the window border. Does anyone know how to do it? Settings present in the control panel are not sufficient for me.
[13:51] <Riddell> stoocot: user support best in #kde and #kubuntu (cos I've no idea)
[13:52] <stoocot> Breeze is almost perfect but with apps filling windows with their own background has two problems:
[13:53] <stoocot> with no-border setting windows dialog box has no visible difference to the background window
[13:54] <stoocot> with small border, dialog has 3-4 points wide, ugly white frame
[13:55] <Darkwing> Only thing I want to do is move the buttons to the left.
[13:55] <rdieter> stoocot: the size is modifiable, but not color (afaict)
[13:56] <Riddell> the people who make it are visual design who are nice and responsive on forums.kde.org
[13:56] <rdieter> oyxgen suffered the same issue (of borders not being distinguishable, but that may be feature rather than a bug)
[13:57] <stoocot> Plastic decoration is better readable but it crashes kwin on opengl application closing...
[14:02] <Riddell> hum, well I installed 14.10 and added an e-mail accounts and it won't even show the e-mail in kontact :(
[14:02] <Riddell> let's see if an upgrade helps
[14:04] <Riddell> ah, pressing the next button helps
[14:04] <Riddell> ok upgrading now
[14:07] <micmord> Riddell: testing a fresh install of the 92413 x86_64 iso on VirtualBox of my notebook I got problem (I/O error dev sr0) on final reboot, that after installation. I only have a screenshot.
[14:07] <Riddell> micmord: that's a known issue, it works fine if you turn the machine off and on again?
[14:07]  * Riddell feels like the IT Crowd support team
[14:08] <micmord> Riddell: I'll try
[14:09] <sitter> Riddell: random question: how much work was 5.3beta?
[14:10] <genii> Heh, "Have you tried turning off and back on again?"
[14:11] <Riddell> sitter: 1 symbol update and a couple of working out where the git repo was
[14:11] <Riddell> otherwise all good
[14:11] <sitter> ohhhhh
[14:11] <sitter> Riddell: where was the symbol
[14:14] <Riddell> sitter: I forget I'm afraid, I can look it up once the upgrade is done
[14:14] <Riddell> pmc is moaning about no mockcpp
[14:14] <Riddell> and plasma-desktop about no packagekit of course
[14:14] <Riddell> which we can actually fix easily I think
[14:15] <Riddell> I had to add the about-data transitional to kinfocenter
[14:15] <Riddell> and ksysguard needed a recompile cos it was using the old libksysguard, I guess the scripts need sorted to fix that build-dep version
[14:16] <sitter> :O
[14:16] <sitter> I think I had the transition for that in place
[14:16]  * sitter takes a looky
[14:16] <micmord> Riddell: forcing a reboot all works smoothly. Well done guys
[14:16] <sitter> Riddell: the script should have an extensive meeting with the bin
[14:16] <Riddell> micmord: thanks for testing, do mark it on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:16] <sitter> redo using all the CI libraries because they do everything already
[14:17] <sitter> like override missing cmake deps in a way that doesn't suck balls
[14:17] <Riddell> sitter: I'll look forward to that :)
[14:17] <Riddell> I think sgclark is having more problems with applications
[14:17] <sitter> ah a transitional package
[14:18] <Riddell> removed crash tracker (on qa.kubuntu.co.uk now) and removed plasma 5.3 backages
[14:18] <sitter> Riddell: why did about-distro need a transitional package though?
[14:18] <Riddell> sitter: to keep kubuntu-desktop metapackage happy for vivid upgrades
[14:18] <sitter> ah, kubuntu-desktop
[14:18]  * sitter takes a note to add transitionals in the future
[14:19] <sitter> actually it's interesting because I think the CI ISO explicitly seeds kubuntu-desktops so its odd that it worked there
[14:20] <Riddell> it's a recommends I guess
[14:20] <sitter> yeah
[14:20] <sitter> ah well
[14:20] <Riddell> so it must be muon that had the symbol change, that's the only other one with a ~ppa2
[14:20] <Riddell> or maybe bluez-qt
[14:20]  * sitter actually needs to write tech to stop things from building on certain series as to unblock installation tests :/
[14:21] <sitter> Riddell: I take it you didn't branch by date?
[14:21] <Riddell> sitter: no, I just branched from kubuntu_stable
[14:22] <sitter> bluez-qt had udev added by you
[14:22] <sitter> muon had a new mo
[14:22] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I just imagined the symbol update
[14:23] <sitter> anyway, whatever the symbol thing was I presume itw as because you simply branched kubuntu_stable so it's this long standing problem that the CI branch might already be ahead of the tarball
[14:23] <sitter> would either be solved by the merge tool I have half finished somewhere or CI orchestretrated release building
[14:23] <sitter> whatever happens first I guess
[14:23] <sitter> also releasme needs to be used to get rid of the arbitrary .mo changes :S
[14:23] <sitter> soooooooooo much work
[14:23] <Riddell> releaseme used how?
[14:24] <sitter> to create the tarballs for CI
[14:24] <sitter> so we have l10n
[14:25] <sitter> which actually will probably need some fiddling in releasme because kde-apps do not put the translations in the app tarballs for some reason
[14:25] <Riddell> kde-apps doesn't use releaseme
[14:26] <sitter> Riddell: kde-applications
[14:26] <sitter> ah well yes
[14:26] <sitter> that is my point :P
[14:26] <sitter> it is different precisely because it isn't using releaseme
[14:41] <sgclark> Riddell: I am having probelms with timing. Ben wants to go live yesterday and everything green. This is taking everything I have. I am so sorry, I am trying to get back to apps when I can.
[14:42] <Riddell> sgclark: don't appologise! the ci stuff is your priority right now :)
[14:43] <sgclark> ty
[14:47] <mitya57> Riddell: oh, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/86778 became quite a long-ish thread. Will read it in the evening :)
[14:49] <Riddell> yofel: kontact works good after an upgrade from 14.10, tested e-mail, contacts, to do and calendar
[14:51] <yofel> hm yeah, I'm not sure how to reproduce this. Maybe by doing the upgrade, SIGKILL-ing mysqld and seeing what happens
[14:51] <yofel> seems to be a weird corner case that happens if mysql 5.5 isn't cleanly shut down, upgraded to 5.6 (without running mysql_upgrade?) and ends up triggering a crash in innodb's error recovery
[14:54] <Riddell> :(
[14:57] <sgclark> oh yeah my kontact is busted
[14:57] <yofel> define busted..
[14:58] <sgclark> akonadi is not operational
[14:58] <yofel> *SIGH*
[14:58] <Darkwing> Just installed the daily image for today, what needs to be tested?
[14:58] <Darkwing> Hey yofel, long time mate
[14:58] <yofel> hey Darkwing :)
[14:58] <yofel> sgclark: what's in your ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err ?
[15:00] <Riddell> Darkwing: add it to iso.qa.ubuntu.com please
[15:00] <Darkwing> Kk
[15:00] <sgclark> yofel: paste.ubuntu.com/10866478
[15:01] <yofel> sgclark: rm ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ib_logfile*
[15:01] <yofel> then try 'akonadictl start'
[15:01] <yofel> bug 1437846
[15:03] <sgclark> yofel: that worked :) thanks!
[15:11] <Riddell> rdieter: fedora beta looking good but the langauge selection tool likes to freeze lots
[15:11] <rdieter> Riddell: thanks, I'll pass iton
[15:14] <Riddell> rdieter: it worked it was just being very slow
[15:14] <Riddell> now what's the secret to not having konsole crash on close?!
[15:14] <rdieter> ok, I suspect it's UI for installing stuff in the background?
[15:15] <yofel> it crashes? ^^
[15:15] <rdieter> Riddell: good question, never seen that before
[15:15] <Riddell> rdieter: it seems to be using packagekit to install the language bits
[15:15] <Riddell> yofel: doesn't it for you? just run it and close it and it crashes for me
[15:15] <yofel> nope
[15:16] <rdieter> in fairness, I don't use konsole much anymore (I live in yakuake most of the time)
[15:16] <yofel> I rarlely use it though as I'm mostly in yakuake
[15:16] <yofel> hehe
[15:16]  * rdieter high-fives yofel
[15:17] <shadeslayer> I don't think many people use konsole directly :P
[15:17] <shadeslayer> yakuake ftw
[15:17] <Riddell> I'm yet to understand the attration of yakuake, maybe it's intended for people who don't do e-mail and irc through a terminal
[15:17] <shadeslayer> ah you need them windows
[15:18] <yofel> how does yakuake get in the way there? byobu does for me often with the keybindings, but yakuake is a non-issue
[15:19] <Darkwing> Riddell, that's it for me.
[15:19] <yofel> although even mutt works fine in byobu
[15:20] <Riddell> Darkwing: what what?
[15:21] <Darkwing> I don't do as much in konsole
[15:21] <Darkwing> git and other stuff that way but, irc and email are full gui
[15:22]  * lordievader allways has atleast one Konsole window open.
[15:22] <Riddell> bah, qgit for the win :)
[15:44] <Riddell> Darkwing: muon-discover working for you?
[15:44] <Darkwing> Have not checked it yet.
[15:44] <Darkwing> Will do in a bit, making a bottle for the little one.
[15:45] <Riddell> mparillo: you updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu ? will you update the invoke the tool to be the notification same as on UtopicUpgrades?
[15:46] <Riddell> lordievader: I don't get your autologin bug, oem install works pretty well for me
[15:47] <mparillo> Riddell: Yes, I updated the Upgrade help page to remove the update 14.10 step, as I tested without it and it worked. I am not sure I understand your second question.
[15:48] <lordievader> That's odd. I did get it with the new images...
[15:48] <lordievader> Perhaps it is related to kvm/qemu?
[15:48] <Riddell> mparillo: the alf-f2 section needs replaced with section 6 from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:49] <Riddell> alt-f2
[15:57] <BluesKaj> ok , on the latest daily ...a few crashes with system settings, but no freeezes so far...bbbiab
[16:03] <Riddell> BluesKaj: please report to iso.qa
[16:16] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ updated with better links for Vivid and Wobbly bugs
[16:16] <Riddell> vivid now includes vivid-updates milestones
[16:16] <Riddell> vivid now includes vivid-updates milestone and tagged kubuntu
[16:16] <Riddell> Wobbly now includes 15.10 milestone tagged kubuntu
[16:17] <yofel> wobbly?
[16:18] <Riddell> the codename I just made up :)
[16:18] <yofel> heh
[16:21] <mparillo> The alt-f2 was the way I tested (and got screenshots). I see the section on the Utopic upgrade. But it looks as if the changes start in section 4?
[16:22] <Riddell> mparillo: yes alt-f2 and running kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade is what you have to do before a release, after release time the notification will work so the instructions need to change
[16:23] <Riddell> mparillo: section 4 and 5 are only relevant for an upgrade from LTS such as 14.04, we're doing an upgrade from normal 14.10
[16:23] <Riddell> so just copy the bits from section 6
[17:43] <Riddell> mparillo: you're on a testing roll :)
[17:49] <mparillo> TY. I took a break to update the upgrade page. Now I will create a new 14.10 VM to test that the upgrade works by following the directions.
[17:50] <Riddell> mparillo: remember to test the notification
[17:50] <Riddell> mparillo: edit /etc/hosts add "<IP_ADDRESS> changelogs.ubuntu.com"
[17:51] <mparillo> Of course now the Baloo File error refuses to pop=up in today's testing. But I did get migrating the empty kwallet, which I did not notice yesterday.
[17:51] <Riddell> it's weird that one
[17:51] <mparillo> So I need to add that line and wait to see if the notification pops up?
[17:51] <Riddell> add it and open Muon Update Thing
[17:52] <mparillo> OK. Signing of this VM to create a new 14.10 one.
[17:55] <Riddell> meh the kubuntu.org accouncement leaked onto the rss feed, if anyone asks if it's out, it's not
[17:59] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: most likely the new site won't be up for the release
[17:59] <ovidiu-florin> the sysadmins said
[18:03] <Riddell> ok, here's the announce on the current site https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15.04
[18:03] <Riddell> please take a look, let me know if you need access
[18:05] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I'm linking to https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#Preparing_the_installation_media even though it's incomplete, it's probably the best we have
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the title still says beta 2
[18:27] <Riddell> how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu-new2
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the announcement page: the last line, close the parenhesis
[18:31] <mparillo> I added <IP_ADDRESS> changelogs.ubuntu.com at the end of /etc/hosts, but i only get "regular" software updates.
[18:31] <ahoneybun> on the release notes Riddell?
[18:50] <Riddell> ahoneybun: announce up at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15.04
[18:50] <Riddell> ahoneybun: feel free to make edits, check with me and mparillo first
[18:51] <Riddell> mparillo: wipe the cache in ~/.cache/update-manager-core/meta-release
[18:51]  * ahoneybun believes he does not have access
[18:51] <Riddell> ahoneybun: also check over https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu-new2
[18:51] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10867439/
[18:51] <Riddell> and comment on http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/15.04.png
[18:53] <soee> W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish oO
[18:53] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: use konqueror
[18:55] <Riddell> http://www.itworld.com/article/2913377/linux/ubuntu-15-04-will-ship-with-canonicals-own-browser.html?page=2 "Kubuntu versus Ubuntu" "plasma 5 really caught my eye. To me it's the sexiest distro around"
[18:55] <Riddell> mparillo: may be worth a wire post if you can make it not flame-bait
[18:55] <genii> Heh
[18:57] <Riddell> or just this directly http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/337mzx/why_ill_be_switching_to_kubuntufrom_ubuntu_come/
[18:57] <ahoneybun> Riddell: mparillo I'm going to fix some grammer
[18:57] <Riddell> go for it
[18:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I thought the nvidia-prime bug was fixe
[18:58] <ahoneybun> *fixed
[18:59] <Riddell> ahoneybun: where?
[18:59] <ahoneybun> (1428328) nvidia-prime needs sddm support
[18:59] <ahoneybun> remove?
[18:59] <Riddell> ahoneybun: oh yes, please remove that
[18:59] <Etriaph> Planet KDE tweeted the URL: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15.04?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[18:59] <ahoneybun> got it
[18:59] <Etriaph> But it's inaccessible.
[18:59] <Riddell> Etriaph: yeah my mistake sorry
[18:59] <Etriaph> Just a heads up.
[19:00] <Riddell> nothing I can do about it, there's some cache somewhere, it'll disappear at some point
[19:00] <Etriaph> No need to apologize, just wanted to let you guys know.
[19:01] <ahoneybun> We would like to thanks the whole of KDE's Plasma team for a beautiful new desktop. = We would like to thank the whole KDE Plasma team for a beautiful new desktop Riddell
[19:01] <ahoneybun> going to change that
[19:01] <Riddell> thanks
[19:01]  * Riddell head broken, going home, will log on later
[19:02]  * ahoneybun saves changes
[19:02]  * ahoneybun logs out
[19:06] <ahoneybun> since that banner was made I'm guessing we are going to still be on the old site?
[19:08] <soee> hmm still rightclick on desktop wont work for me
[19:08] <yofel> WFM
[19:09] <vip> soee: who needs rmb on desktop
[19:09] <soee> also: [21:08] <soee> it is 5.3 feature that show desktop corner bind hides also panel ?
[19:09] <soee> vip: me :)
[19:09] <yofel> good question, I did see that but forgot about it..
[19:09] <vip> also as not working meta+shift, or, previously working "windows can cover" toolbar
[19:10] <soee> can you test one more thing: right click on window decoration, More Actions -> Special Application Settings ... leads to kdeinit5 crash
[19:11] <vip> soee: "Dodatkowe ustawienia programu"?
[19:11] <vip> works for me
[19:11] <soee> oO
[19:12] <vip> soee: btw, which version you ask me to test? :)
[19:12] <soee> vip: Vivid + Plasma 5.3beta
[19:12] <vip> soee: ah so
[19:13] <vip> vivid only, here
[19:13] <soee> yofel: can you check
[19:13] <soee> ?
[19:13] <yofel> in ~2min
[19:14] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: which banner?
[19:14] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: [14:51] <Riddell> and comment on http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/15.04.png
[19:15] <ahoneybun> its the size of the old site
[19:15] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[19:15] <ovidiu-florin> the sysadmins most likely won't get the new site up by release
[19:15] <ovidiu-florin> bu we can't update our testbed site eighter
[19:16] <yofel> soee: yep, kdeinit5 SEGV
[19:16] <soee> ;(
[19:17] <ahoneybun> eighter?
[19:17] <ahoneybun> either?
[19:17] <ovidiu-florin> no g
[19:18] <soee> yofel: shall we report it somewhere ?
[19:19] <yofel> soee: if you can yes
[19:20]  * yofel wonders why drkonqi says: "You cannot report this error, because kdeinit5 does not provide a bug reporting address." @_@
[19:20] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ?
[19:27] <Riddell> yofel: upstream bug?
[19:27] <yofel> in drkonqi?
[19:28] <Riddell> I guess so, presumably you don't want to reporton kdeinit5 and drkonqi should be smart enough for that
[19:29] <soee> yofel: teh bug shoudl go here https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=kdelibs&format=guided ?
[19:29] <soee> component kdeinit ?
[19:30] <yofel> not sure, there's XCB, kf5windowsystem and kwin in that, so one of them?
[19:53] <mparillo> removing ~/.cache/update-manager-core/meta-release got me the "A new version of Kubuntu is available" in Muon Update Manager. I click on it, give it my password, but nothing happens.
[19:55] <Riddell> um,ug
[19:55] <Riddell> no update manager popping up?
[19:56] <Riddell> run kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade then
[20:16] <lucas_> ok
[20:16] <lordievader> o/
[20:16] <lucas_> as you may know I was planing to do some promo video
[20:16] <lucas_> and i made one
[20:17] <Riddell> hi lucas_!
[20:17] <Riddell> ooh
[20:17] <lordievader> Whoop whoop
[20:17] <lucas_> i am uploading it to you tube
[20:17] <Riddell> awooga
[20:17] <lucas_> so you can watch and comment
[20:18] <lucas_> an we can eventually improve something
[20:20] <lucas_>  5 minutes remaning
[20:21] <lucas_> my internet connection sucks ;p
[20:25] <shadeslayer> join the club
[20:28] <lucas_> http://youtu.be/JkoGMb8N78M
[20:28] <lucas_> ok please comment ;)
[20:29] <Riddell> "
[20:29] <Riddell> This video is private"
[20:30] <Riddell> lucas_: ↑
[20:30] <lucas_> moment
[20:31] <lucas_> https://youtu.be/JkoGMb8N78M
[20:31] <lucas_> is it ok now?
[20:32] <lordievader> Still private here.
[20:32] <ovidiu-florin> when exactly will the release happen?
[20:32] <Riddell> lucas_: still private
[20:32] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: when all the flavours declare themselves ready
[20:33] <Riddell> we usually aim for midday utc but it's often later
[20:33] <lucas_> https://youtu.be/JkoGMb8N78M
[20:33] <lucas_> now it is public
[20:33] <Riddell> lucas_: yay
[20:33] <lucas_> for sure
[20:34] <ovidiu-florin> sound sounds broken
[20:34] <ovidiu-florin> is it my computer?
[20:34] <lucas_> well here is ok
[20:34] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[20:35] <Riddell> lucas_: that rocks :)
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> is the beginning of the sound in slow motion?
[20:35] <lucas_> it is fade in
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> aha
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> then my ears are broken
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[20:35] <Riddell> lucas_, ovidiu-florin: yep music sounds off key, maybe remove that effect?
[20:35] <Riddell> lucas_: I'd rather the default wallpaper was used
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> lucas_: also, the text is sliding too fast
[20:36] <Riddell> lucas_: what's the font used? oxygen or ubuntu font better
[20:36] <KDDA> the sound seems to be like really slow at the beginning
[20:36] <lucas_> oxygen
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> also some shaddow to the white text wouldn't hurt
[20:37] <lordievader> lucas_: Isn't it a good idea to have the text slide from right to left? Now you see the last words first.
[20:37] <Riddell> good point lordievader
[20:37] <mparillo> lucas_: Wonderful work. A nice break from Stampy Longnose (the current YouTube favorite around here).
[20:38] <lucas_> ok now problem
[20:38] <ovidiu-florin> at 0:10 the text effect is the one you should use at 0:34 and 0:45 and 0:58
[20:38] <lucas_> text will be sliding from right to left now
[20:38] <ovidiu-florin> also the www from the link at the end is not mandatory, but you can leave it
[20:38] <Riddell> but aye, that's excellent as it is
[20:38] <ovidiu-florin> uuuu, ad a caption to it
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> that floating box that you can click on
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> at the end
[20:39] <lordievader> Jup, it is rather nice :D
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> and point it to the Kubuntu download page
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> lucas_: it's awesome
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> maybe take notes of our sugestions for future videos
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> you got my like
[20:40] <lordievader> +1
[20:41] <lucas_> sorry for the delay well english is not my native language so yuo know
[20:41] <Riddell> hablo solo espanol
[20:42] <lucas_> as for your suggestions I will try to incorporate them
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> lucas_: vorbești românește?
[20:42] <lucas_> nope
[20:42] <lucas_> polish ;p
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> lucas_: falo en portuges?
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> parle vous fancais?
[20:43]  * ovidiu-florin doesn't have the french keyboard layout
[20:43] <Riddell> gin dobry, as my flatmates used to say
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> how can I find what version of Qtquick I have installed?
[20:44] <lucas_> ok so things to improve text make it gray, and use different effect, something else?
[20:44] <lucas_> ah music
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> don't make it gray
[20:44] <lucas_> on the begining
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> it's awesome white
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> just add a shaddow
[20:44] <Riddell> lucas_: no effect on music, use default Next wallpaper
[20:45] <lucas_> ah about wallpaper
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> and use the effect from 0:10
[20:45] <lucas_> this is not possible I fear
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: how can I find what version of Qtquick I have installed?
[20:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: apt-cache policy libqt5declarative5
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> that's qt
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> not QtQuick
[20:46] <Riddell> it's qtquick
[20:47] <Riddell> which is part of qt
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> so use: import QtQuick 2.3
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> QML is still a big mess in my head
[20:49] <lucas_>  Riddell: I choose this wallpaper because the default one was well ugly, and this green is was also used here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2dthDSGkc ( this is official video from the Plasma 5.0)
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> I don't think using the default wallpaper is mandatory
[20:50] <Riddell> it's not mandatory but it's good to keep consistent for branding
[20:50] <Riddell> and it's a thing of beauty!
[20:50] <lucas_> this green is a part of default plasma packages
[20:50] <Riddell> I know
[20:51] <lucas_> and the default wallpaper from plasma 5.2 was replaced in 5.3
[20:51] <lucas_> whereas it should stay at least to plasma 5.4
[20:53] <lucas_> as far as I remember default wallpaper is changed  after two major releases
[20:54] <lucas_> and well you really do not want comments about default wallpaper ( ugly etc)
[20:55] <Riddell> shrug, as you wish :)
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> open the add new widget from the panel settings
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> type something in the search box
[20:56] <lucas_> but the main reason is that I would need to record all the material once again
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> can you? I can't
[20:58]  * ovidiu-florin ZZZZZZzzzzzz.......
[20:58] <soee> ovidiu-florin: i can in 5.3
[20:59] <ovidiu-florin> I have 5.2.2
[20:59] <Riddell> lucas_: fair enough :)
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> what do I do if the author of a plasmoid does not reply?
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> I can fork it wright?
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> right*....
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> my spelling is off today
[21:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: depends on the situation, where is it now?
[21:03] <ovidiu-florin> where is what?
[21:03] <ovidiu-florin> the plasmoid is here: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=152082
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> but is broken in Qt5 land
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> I've partially fixed it in my install
[21:06] <Riddell> "Updated:  Jul 5 2012" yeah I think you can fork that :)
[21:06] <Riddell> just e-mail the author to let them know
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> Thanks
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> Good night
[21:07] <Riddell> night ovidiu-florin
[21:07] <Riddell> sweet dreams
[21:19] <Riddell> hi frecel, excited about the release?
[21:24]  * KDDA dances
[21:24] <KDDA> Im so excited, I just cant hide it
[21:24] <Riddell> whee!
[21:25] <soee> KDDA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDRke6Gu3nM
[21:25] <soee> ah no, it was it https://vimeo.com/40987079
[21:26] <KDDA> LOL
[22:05] <lucas_> ok gonna uploading improved video
[22:11] <Riddell> lucas_++
[22:11]  * shadeslayer is so tired
[22:16] <frecel> Riddell: you know it
[22:19] <lucas_> Riddell: almost there
[22:23] <lucas_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cinHeN9YLLo&feature=youtu.be
[22:26] <Riddell> ooh!
[22:26] <lucas_> something wrong?
[22:27] <Riddell> lucas_: genius :)
[22:27] <Riddell> nope it's perfect, I'm just excited :)
[22:29] <lucas_>  glad you like it ;)
[22:30] <lucas_> just curious, are you going  to post this video on your website or something ;p?
[22:31] <Riddell> lucas_: on the announcement if I can work out how
[22:32] <Riddell> oh yes it works :)
[22:33] <lucas_> ^^
[22:33] <Riddell> for those with access https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15.04
[22:33] <Riddell> muchas gracias lucas_, that's awesome
[22:34] <valorie> lol, sgclark: https://plus.google.com/+BenLandin/posts/PgFmAFSNHKS
[22:34] <valorie> our own release party this weekend!
[22:34]  * sgclark looks
[22:35] <sgclark> :)
[22:35] <Riddell> party party party
[22:36] <lucas_> Riddell: no problem
[22:42] <lucas_> ok time to go for me so, see you later
[22:42] <Riddell> thanks much lucas_,sleep well
[22:42] <Riddell> the world will party for kubuntu tomorrow
[22:43] <lucas_> hehe ;)
[22:45] <frecel> valorie:  If you bump into Ben at LFNW tell him that frecel is saying hi
[22:46] <valorie> which Ben is that?
[22:46] <valorie> frecel?
[22:46] <valorie> I "bump into" almost everybody at the KDE/Ubuntu table
[22:46] <frecel> Ben Landin, the guy whos g+ post you linked
[22:47] <valorie> or rather, they bump into us
[22:54] <frecel> valorie: well in that case you can tell everyone that frecel is saying hi :D
[22:55] <valorie> lol
[23:05] <sgclark> valorie: what is the weather like up there?
[23:25]  * ahoneybun has a tech night out tomorrow and is going to bring Ubuntu stickers with him.
[23:45] <valorie> sgclark: not warm (55F) but sunny
[23:45] <valorie> snowing fir pollen though
[23:46] <sgclark> ahh fun
[23:46] <sgclark> I am sure I will be one pile of sneezes lol
[23:51] <sgclark> ahh the new installer looks lovely
[23:55] <valorie> updating the poor lil netbook
[23:55] <valorie> it can at least write USB
[23:55] <valorie> and be used for checking out krita


[04:02] <Tohuw> How can I use wget -r to retrieve all files and folders from a given location, but not have it pursue links to the parent directory? E.g., I want to download http://example.tld/foo/bar/*, but nothing above bar/. When I use wget -r, it begins at bar/ and pursues up the chain to begin downloading objects from foo/.
[06:11] <chovynz> is there a command i can do to 1) search my home folder, 2)go through each filename and folder, 3)find any spaces and replace the spaces with underscores? I recently did a backup of windows files and some of them have spaces, despite every effort to enforce a no spaces policy.
[06:12] <chovynz> i guess this could be a general topical support issue?
[06:13] <chovynz> yeah. ill ask there instead. ignore my last messages
[06:31] <sazawal> I want to route pulseaudio to jack using pulseaudio-module-jack. Please help!
[11:20] <ae01> I have some question
[11:20] <ae01> Somebody pls answer me.
[11:21] <ae01> About ubuntu automatic installation
[11:23] <ae01> Pls....
[11:23] <ae01> Please...
[13:28] <`Dyanna83> any admin on
[13:28] <`Dyanna83> ?
[13:28] <`Dyanna83> or some body else?
[13:29] <mrfishjosh> whats up? not really an admin
[13:29] <ironm> `Dyanna83, it is normally a good idea just to ask ...
[13:33] <patdk-lap> !ask
[13:40] <`Dyanna83> some admin
[13:40] <`Dyanna83> ?
[14:40] <Guest38055> Hi, I am trying MaaS using ubuntu 12.04 server. Since i already have the 12.04 iso, is there a way to avoid doing " sudo maas-import-isos " while setting up MaaS.
[14:41] <Guest38055> I mean that can i use the iso i have already downloaded and using to create a MaaS machine, can that iso be used in the MaaS
[15:27] <RoyK> hrmf
[15:27] <RoyK> is qcow2 really very slow compared to raw, preallocated images?
[16:01] <iqualfragile> hi, what is this: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?55fd498290eeb864#5IkplCMlxEkxEEKKbssQSOtabMCYsoRAE2DMTnwulR8= trying to tell me?
[16:06] <patdk-lap> hmm
[16:06] <patdk-lap> sounds like nfs doesn't like your tgt
[16:07] <iqualfragile> yeah, thats the problem, my client mounts the share but every folder in it is owned by nobody:nogroup
[16:09] <patdk-lap> ya that would be a nfs4 permissions issue
[16:09] <patdk-lap> everything needs to match on the nfs client and server
[16:09] <patdk-lap> the usernames and id's
[16:09] <patdk-lap> also, you must use an authenicated login to mount the nfs
[16:10] <iqualfragile> i do
[16:10] <patdk-lap> if any of that fails, you get nobody and basically read-only
[16:10] <iqualfragile> and it matches
[16:10] <patdk-lap> that error message says something doesn't match/is trusted
[16:15] <RoyK> iqualfragile: usually that means you don't have kerberos setup correctly
[16:16] <RoyK> iqualfragile: try nfsv3
[16:16] <iqualfragile> what would that change?
[16:16] <patdk-lap> heh
[16:16] <iqualfragile> i have just tested: i can login on my client with an remote ldap-account
[16:16] <patdk-lap> EVERYTHING :)
[16:16] <patdk-lap> hmm?
[16:16] <iqualfragile> and i can use kadmin from the client
[16:17] <patdk-lap> what does any of that have to do with kerberos on nfs4?
[16:17] <RoyK> iqualfragile: mount -t nfs -o vers=3 ...
[16:17] <iqualfragile> but the server runs v4
[16:18]  * patdk-lap hasn't heard of a nfs4 server that doesn't also do nfs3
[17:11] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:11] <iqualfragile> hi
[17:11] <lordievader> Het iqualfragile, how are you?
[17:11] <lordievader> hey*
[17:12] <iqualfragile> ok, i solved that problem, i had to regenerate  all the keytabs
[17:12] <iqualfragile> im fine
[17:12] <lordievader> iqualfragile: Good to hear.
[17:18] <katronix> Hi all, I just had Ubuntu re-installed on my server, and now the bind directory I backed up is having issues. Are there changes I have to make for it to work?
[17:24] <katronix> anyone here?
[17:38] <ironm> katronix, es .. I am here
[17:39] <ironm> katronix, what is your exact problem with /bin ?
[17:40] <katronix> ironm Not having an issue with /bin, having an issue with bind
[17:42] <katronix> its complaining about axfr.conf
[17:43] <andol> katronix: You know, it would be a lot easier to help you if you told us what kind of issues you were having. Nevertheless, I'll take a shot in the dark and guess that you are having permission problems, due to the current bind user/group is having a different uid/gid than on your previous install.
[17:43] <ironm> katronix, when you reinstall Linux than some default settings can get overwritten
[17:44] <ironm> katronix, check the file  axfr.conf onto the new installation and the old version from backup
[17:44] <andol> katronix: So, if you list the files under /etc/bind/, what users and group are they reported as beonging to?
[17:45] <katronix> the afxr.conf file I have is from the previous install. some of the files are owned by root:root and others by root:bind
[17:45] <andol> katronix: Also, instead of saying "complaining about foo", do provide the exact complain, without paraphrasing.
[17:46] <katronix> http://pastebin.com/bAjeMc6w here is the log file excerpt
[17:47] <ironm> katronix, have you compared the old and the current axfr.conf already?
[17:48] <katronix> I didn't check to see if I had one previously
[17:49] <ironm> katronix, you said already that you have made a backup
[17:49] <katronix> yes this is the backup
[17:51] <katronix> what does this file do?
[17:53] <RoyK> looks like you created a zone file in the wrong place
[17:53] <blendedbychris> anyone know of a good way to trigger a service restart on file change?
[17:53] <blendedbychris> i was looking at incron
[17:54] <katronix> RoyK, can you be a bit more specific?
[17:54] <RoyK> using puppet is perhaps overkill, but it's a jolly good framework :)
[17:54] <RoyK> blendedbychris: that was for you
[17:54] <blendedbychris> i use puppet already but I don't think it's fast enough
[17:55] <blendedbychris> for what i'm trying to do atleast
[17:55] <RoyK> katronix: looks like you put the zone definition into axfr.conf
[17:56] <RoyK> blendedbychris: I guess writing a wrapper using inotify could do it
[17:56] <blendedbychris> this looks promising… http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/incrontab.5.html
[17:56] <katronix> I didn't but an old panel I was using may have, which of course not included on this version
[17:57] <RoyK> blendedbychris: oh, didn't know that one :)
[17:58] <katronix> ah that fixed lol, silly simple mistake
[17:59] <blendedbychris> RoyK: can you think how i could restart a service as a nonroot though?
[17:59] <blendedbychris> incrontab doesn't let me create a crontab to root
[17:59] <RoyK> blendedbychris: you can't restart a service as nonroot, but you can use sudo to allow a user to do that
[18:00] <blendedbychris> http://www.howtoforge.com/triggering-commands-on-file-or-directory-changes-with-incron << dang the internet knows everything
[18:19] <katronix> once bind is working, what would be the dig command to make sure its working as expected?
[18:29] <blendedbychris> RoyK: can you think of a reason why running restart with inotifyd would cause two instances of the service to run?
[18:30] <blendedbychris> i have no doubt that the problem is a crapp y init.d script but it seems only inotify does it
[18:31] <RoyK> I doubt they use inotifyd
[18:31] <blendedbychris> well i know i had it just run service foo restart
[18:31] <RoyK> inotify is easy to use on files without a separate daemon
[18:32] <RoyK> question is
[18:32] <RoyK> would you really want to restart a service once a file is changed?
[18:32] <blendedbychris> ya. i don't have much of a choice at this point
[18:33] <RoyK> maybe the sysadmin changed something on the apache config and apache died because he wasn't finished
[18:33] <blendedbychris> it's not a apache type service
[18:33] <blendedbychris> it's Wowza… the only way for it to start playback from a given playlist file is to restart it
[18:33] <RoyK> still, it should be up to the sysadmin to restart the service
[18:33] <RoyK> ic
[18:34] <RoyK> what makes wowza so cool, btw?
[18:34] <blendedbychris> it's cheap and it works
[18:34] <blendedbychris> compared to the other solutions
[18:34] <RoyK> I'm working on a project with mediamosa and researching how to do realtime with that
[18:34] <blendedbychris> we use it for simulated live streaming
[18:34] <blendedbychris> and also live streaming
[18:35]  * RoyK wants to build an open system for such things
[18:35] <blendedbychris> i think that's happening is notify is running restart twice maybe
[18:35] <blendedbychris> what's*
[18:35] <RoyK> perhaps the makers of wowza should implement inotify calls
[18:35] <RoyK> would make things a bit easier
[18:36] <blendedbychris> this simulated live thing has a "brew your own" notion to it… it's open source
[18:36] <blendedbychris> it'd be nice if they just made it read the dumb playlist file
[18:37] <blendedbychris> or implimented reload
[18:41] <RoyK> wowsa's open source?
[18:46] <blendedbychris> parts of it
[19:50] <blendedbychris> RoyK: you still around?
[19:56] <RoyK> blendedbychris: mhm
[19:59] <patdk-lap> royk, the new living google!
[20:01] <blendedbychris> for sure
[20:04] <blendedbychris> i can't for the life of me figure out why inotify is starting wowza up twice
[20:04] <blendedbychris> unless it simultaneously runs the service twice
[20:16] <RoyK> patdk-lap: ?
[20:18] <blendedbychris> figured it out :)
[20:18] <blendedbychris> inotifyd aparently has a NO_LOOP parameter that will prevent the thing from going nuts if the file is modified more than once i pressume
[20:19] <blendedbychris> and the commnd hasn't finished
[21:01] <zastern> is there some reason why the www-data group is always GID 33? Is it safe to change?
[21:03] <guntbert_> zastern: on a running system? why would you want to do that?
[21:03] <zastern> guntbert_: no, new system
[21:04] <zastern> im going to have multiple apache systems serving the same content, and for various reasons, its helpful to have users/groups have the same gid on every system
[21:04] <zastern> I don't mind keeping at 33, if that's safe to enforce
[21:06] <guntbert_> zastern: iirc those numbers are set somewhere in a seed file for the installation - should be stable at least for a while :)
[21:06] <zastern> guntbert_: welp, i have 2 apache 10.04 nodes and its 33 there, and a bunch of 12.04 and its 33 there. so it seems safe :)
[21:06] <zastern> im going to have puppet always create that group with GID 33 then.
[21:06] <zastern> and the user with UID 33
[21:07] <guntbert_> zastern: I just looked into a debian server: its 33 there too
[21:07] <zastern> guntbert_: I figured as much.
[21:08] <guntbert_> zastern :)
[22:25] <Guest93100> Whats happening fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts
[22:45] <Auckla> Hi guys, I have a fresh install of Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS. I setup /etc/network/interfaces with proper *Stat* ip settings, yet for some reason. I come back four hours later to see my server using a DHCP assigned address?
[22:46] <Auckla> Network interface file http://pastebin.com/xX3Wqerg
[22:59] <kjsdh> sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:00] <kjsdh> auto eth0
[23:00] <kjsdh> iface eth0 inet static
[23:00] <kjsdh> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:00] <kjsdh> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:00] <kjsdh> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:06] <WACOMalt> Hi folks. Wondering the best free web control panel for Ubuntu server 12.04?
[23:06] <WACOMalt> was looking at EHCP, but it's not compatible with 12.04
[23:15] <fdge> Auckla, try commenting the "auto eth0" lines