[00:45] <what_if> Need a bit of help getting started... want to work on the "system restore/rollback functionality" requests in ubuntu brainstorm. Where do I start? Where is code hosted, etc.
[00:46] <kklimonda> well, all code is store on launchpad
[00:48] <kees> ScottK: heh, thanks.
[00:50] <crimsun> some people just don't get it, eh?
[02:30] <psusi> anyone around know initramfs-tools well?  I'd like to interface with it to create an alternate initramfs that has defrag built into it to perform boot time defrag of the root fs
[03:07] <nxvl> does anyknow knows how to create a patch with dpkgsrc 3.0?
[03:10] <RAOF> nxvl: You mean 3.0 (quilt)?
[03:10] <psusi> doesn't that just mean it uses quilt?
[03:10] <nxvl> yup
[03:10] <nxvl> psusi: oh no, it does a lot of fancy stuff
[03:11] <psusi> export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches ; quilt new my-patch ; quilt add somefile ; edit somefile ; quilt refresh
[03:11] <RAOF> Yeah.  It's actually just quilt.
[03:11] <psusi> and you might want to quilt push -a before the new if you want your patch to be applied after all the existing ones
[03:14] <arand> If I want to debug fsck failing with an error when user cancels the check, what would I do? Is this backtrace useless?: http://pastebin.com/MZkMc1UN (I lack all kinds of gdb-foo).
[03:14] <psusi> what's to debug?  if they canceled the check, that is an error
[03:15] <nxvl> oh, ok thanks!
[03:16] <arand> psusi: So "fsck.ext4: Inode bitmap not loaded while setting block group checksum info" exit code 8. Is correct behaviour for fsck on user cancelling the check?
[03:16] <psusi> arand, no, that's fsck finding an error with the fs, not being canceled
[03:17] <psusi> wait, no...
[03:17] <arand> psusi: But there are no errors in the filesystem, if fsck runs through okay.
[03:17] <arand> Error is _only_ seen when it is cancelled.
[03:17] <psusi> sounds like an assertion failure triggered by the sigint... search the code for that string
[03:18] <psusi> sounds like the canceling tries to do some cleanup in the SIGINT handler, and part of that cleanup is trying to write out the inode allocation bitmap, which an assertion check makes sure is actually loaded first and it isn't
[03:19] <psusi> it may not be loaded either because it has not been loaded yet at the time of the SIGINT, or because that block group's inode allocation bitmap is uninitialized
[03:19] <shtylman> ccheney: there is no UbuntuLucid config in go-oo trunk... is that normal? what do you use to build?
[03:22] <arand> psusi: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/582035 is the bug, I think at least 80% of what you're saying is over my head :/ So please put a comment if you've got some good theories :)
[03:23] <psusi> arand, first thing I'd do is search the source code for the string "Inode bitmap not loaded while"
[03:24] <arand> psusi: I'm on it.
[03:24] <psusi> arand, my guess is you will find an assert() with that string in it and that assertion is failing because of a race condition in which the inode allocation bitmap is not loaded yet, but should be eventually... and that could be a little tricky to fix
[03:25] <psusi> but I have a feeling that probably it is not loaded because that block group's inode table is uninitialized in the first place.. meaning there are no inodes used in that block group so the allocation table is not actually valid and a flag says it is unused, assume it's all empty
[03:26] <psusi> fixing that should be as simple as putting in a check for the uninitialized flag in the code trying to flush the allocation bitmap and bail out of it is set
[03:39] <arand> psusi: I feel like I should probably take the backlog here and paste it to the bug or something, because I have absolutely zero knowledge when it comes to FSs... Here's what I dug up in the source (again, I have no idea what is relevant...): http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/435281/
[03:40] <ccheney> shtylman: ah i hadn't synced up trunk yet from 3-2 branch
[03:41] <psusi> arand, good time to learn ;)
[03:47] <arand> Hmm, if only things were that simple... :)
[04:06] <arand> psusi: Hmm, well staring at this code gives me nothing.. :(   Would you mind (and do you think it would be useful?), if I pasted the backlog of our talk here to the bug?
[04:07] <psusi> I don't mind, no... and sure it could be useful
[04:08] <arand> Ok, will do then.
[04:34] <TheMuso> crimsun: Do you know why we have ac97 related patches in alsa-driver even though they don't get applied?
[05:06] <Chipzz>  ~.
[06:09] <crimsun> TheMuso: which, the via ones?
[06:16] <crimsun> TheMuso: add_onda_a69g_ac97_support.patch was backported from upstream, so it isn't applied in lucid's. add_suspend_quirk_hp_nc6220_nw8240.patch and refix_lp_68659_by_disabling_dxs_for_0x1458a002.patch are both mine and need to be pushed.
[06:17] <TheMuso> crimsun: Right, I worked it out.
[06:17] <TheMuso> crimsun: thanks
[06:34] <loneowais> hey everyone... does anyone know how to get my appindicator into the messaging menu?... Python-Api ?
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <pitti> Good morning
[07:32] <loneowais> Is storing passwords in dekstopcouch ok?... can i encrypt them? how?
[07:36] <RAOF> loneowais: You probably want gnome-keyring, which does a bunch of heavy lifting to make password storing work well.
[07:37] <loneowais> RAOF: that's what i thought.. but couch syncs with ubutnu-one
[07:38] <RAOF> loneowais: So a solution would be to make gnome-keyring store the keyring in desktopcouch :)
[07:39] <loneowais> RAOF: that would be nice...for all the ubuntu apps
[07:39] <loneowais> :-)
[07:39] <RAOF> loneowais: It *would* be nice to have all my passwords sync'd across to all my computers, but not in a way that stores them in plaintext on a internet server!
[07:40] <loneowais> RAOF: right.
[08:05] <tjaalton> tkamppeter_: hi, I've got the symptoms of bug 420490 but due to just restarting the cups server
[08:05] <tjaalton> so no upgrades in between
[08:05] <tjaalton> need to remove /var/cache/cups/*.ipp and restart it to make printing work again
[08:06] <tjaalton> and this is only on lucid, the same ppd/queues work fine on hardy/jaunty
[08:39] <mdke> cjohnston: sure
[08:39] <mdke> cjohnston: sorry, wrong nick
[08:39] <mdke> cjwatson: sure
[08:43] <jussi> poor cjohnston...
[09:25] <[Crono]> hi all
[09:25] <[Crono]> good morning
[10:13] <coz_> hey guys... for several years now ubuntu has this bug that when booting  it drops to busybox  because of my scsi drives.. and many of the bug reports I have seen  give a  solution  of add a rediculous rootdelay-40 to grub... << on lucid I can drop that to rootdelay=35...is there possibly any other solution?  this does not happen with any other distribution
[10:26] <pitti> cody-somerville, mr_pouit, cjwatson: how does xubuntu manage to install the non-preferred gdm dependencies (xfce4-session and xfwm4) first, before gdm pulls it in? the seed order doesn't seem to make any difference?
[10:27] <pitti> "pulls it in" -> "pulls in half of GNOME
[10:27] <hyperair> persia: could you add me to ubutnu-sponsors please?
[10:27] <hyperair> ubuntu*
[10:28] <persia> hyperair: Sure.
[10:28] <hyperair> persia: thanks.
[10:55] <pecisk> hi people, does i386 version of netbook edition has same fallback mechanism when dealing with non-accelerated graphics using Enlightment libs?
[10:56] <RAOF> pecisk: Yes
[10:57] <pecisk> RAOF, great, thanks for answer :)
[11:09] <dholbach> persia: should https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess list package sets?
[11:09] <dholbach> I think they should to avoid confusion
[11:12] <persia> dholbach: Probably.  More generally, they likely need a revamp to reflect the practices developed over the past few months, rather than the initial ideas.
[11:12] <dholbach> good
[11:12] <persia> dholbach: Where it gets tricky is that some packagesets aren't defined in very clear terms.
[11:13] <dholbach> still should the use-case for developers be pretty simple: take a look at the list, decide which upload rights you need, apply for them :)
[11:13] <persia> Or rather, not defined in easily-discoverable terms.
[11:13] <dholbach> right
[11:13] <persia> I think that's entirely the wrong use-case.
[11:13] <jml> james_w, were notes taken for "Review and Planning for Distributed Development"? I can't find the gobby doc.
[11:14] <persia> I think that someone ought work with some team(s), and have the team suggest that the person join that development team.
[11:14] <persia> anyone just randomly looking at the list is very likely to be disappointed with the decision of the board.
[11:14] <dholbach> persia: that somebody needs upload rights for a certain set of packages does not mean that they didn't work with that team
[11:15] <dholbach> but anyway, we're splitting hairs
[11:15] <dholbach> I just wanted to write a blog post about which permissions reorg changes have been implemented and noticed it wasn't mentioned as clearly as I thought
[11:16] <persia> It's all implemented, but the documentation is a bit spotty, in part because the various social definitions haven't been finalised.
[11:17] <dholbach> ok
[11:19] <cjwatson> pitti: we normally install by task
[11:20] <persia> For the short-term, it's probably best to indicate that folks ought know what sort of upload rights they want: if it's in a (short) list, they ought talk with the developers concerned.  if not, they ought talk to the DMB, who may be able to arrange that they can do what they need.
[11:20] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, and there the seed order matters?
[11:22] <cjwatson> pitti: seed order itself should not matter, but germinate "plants" anything that is explicitly seeded before trying to resolve broken dependencies
[11:22] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thanks
[11:23] <cjwatson> once you get down into resolving dependencies, it's (IIRC) depth-first, but the very top level is more like breadth-first
[11:39] <james_w> jml: there were notes
[11:40] <jml> james_w: where can I find them?
[11:40] <james_w> weren't some gobby documents lost though?
[11:41] <jml> james_w: that's what I heard. all of the other gobby docs that I care about managed to survive though.
[11:45] <james_w> jml: I can't see it either
[11:47]  * jml checks IRC logs...
[11:49] <jml> frustratingly, the gobby doc name isn't mentioned.
[11:50] <dholbach> mako, mdke: are you guys going to be in the CC meeting in 10m?
[11:52] <jml> james_w: I've just put a note on the whiteboard for the spec calling for notes. Anything else I should do?
[11:52] <cjwatson> gobby is supposed to be backed by bzr on the server side; ask IS if they can hunt around
[11:52] <jml> cjwatson: wil do. thanks.
[12:08] <pitti> does anyone know what actually uses /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/* ?
[12:14] <cjwatson> pitti: localedef
[12:14] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thanks
[12:17] <soren> Do we really use anything other than UTF-8 in there by default?
[12:17] <pitti> soren: not by default
[12:17] <pitti> soren: but the charmaps compress nicely into 3.1 MB, so I'd like to teach localedef to get along with gzipped ones
[12:17] <soren> That's an easy 14 MB save on a minimal install.
[12:17] <soren> pitti: Ah, yeah, that's good too.
[13:04] <Riddell> lamont: how come you didn't use a -0ubuntu1 version number for gcc-opt?
[13:13] <lamont> Riddell: prolly because I didn't upload it to debian
[13:13] <lamont> then again, it was more of a dump-n-run than anything I care to ever support again
[13:14] <lamont> dead upstream, there are parts of ubuntu that may choose to use that as a start of an idea for something, but otherwise, I expect that to be the last upload of gcc-opt ever
[13:15] <Riddell> you're not selling it to me :)
[13:16] <lamont> cjwatson asked me to put it somewhere.  universe was the decided target....
[13:16] <Riddell> accepted
[13:16] <lamont> ta
[13:40] <cjwatson> cking,NCommander,superm1: I don't suppose any of you have notes from foundations-m-btrfs-support?
[13:40] <cjwatson> (or anyone else)
[13:42] <cjwatson> oubiwann_: ^-
[13:55] <NCommander> cjwatson: don't think so :-/
[14:02] <jml> oubiwann_, hello. I just discovered the gobby doc for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-cycle-review
[14:03] <jml> oubiwann_, in the "Lessons learned" section, there's "launchpad bugs situation really needs to be addressed for Foundations"
[14:03] <jml> but no more information.
[14:04] <cjwatson> jml: I think where that's coming from is that some of our team are drowning in bugmail to the extent that they find it difficult to get actual work done
[14:04] <cjwatson> I don't think it's specifically Foundations though
[14:05] <jml> cjwatson, tbh, I didn't get many other people complaining about too much email.
[14:05] <jml> cjwatson, but there are many other possible reasons for that
[14:05] <cjwatson> Keybuk in particular had this problem towards the end of the cycle
[14:05] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, do you have any plans to merge base-installer any time soon?
[14:06] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: at some point in the merge window, sure
[14:06] <jml> cjwatson, thanks.
[14:06] <jml> cjwatson, the bugs team is working on improving the too much email situation -- I'll make sure that we talk to Keybuk as a part of that.
[14:06] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:07] <jml> cjwatson, was there anything else LP-related in the 10.04 review session?
[14:08] <cking> cjwatson, no notes from foundations-m-btrfs-support :-(
[14:08] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, live-installer in debian has made a change thats dependent on a newer version of base-installer (ie. adding a new waypoint for a script in newer base-installer). I was thinking of removing the waypoint and modifying the dependency to require a version less then the version of base-installer the change occurred in so that re-adding the waypoint won't be forgotten about. Does this sound sane to you?
[14:09] <cjwatson> jml: I don't have it paged in at the moment, but if I think of anything I'll let you know ... most of the discussion wasn't about LP though
[14:09] <cjwatson> cking: thanks anyway
[14:09] <jml> cjwatson, thanks.
[14:09] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: not really, why not just be a little bit patient?  I'll be merging base-installer in the not too distant future
[14:11] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, because I already merged live-installer and so it currently does not work. Frans Pop didn't modify the deps to indicate the newer version of base-installer was needed.
[14:14] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: *shrug* the merge cycle is always like this.  please don't create more work by working around it
[14:15] <cjwatson> better to simply wait; it won't be that long
[14:19] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, patching live-installer's deps to say it requires the newer base-installer would be correct though, eh?
[14:21] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: we don't usually bother that much with versioned dependencies in d-i, since nothing processes them at run-time
[14:21] <cjwatson> their only practical use is to control transitions to Debian testing
[14:21] <cjwatson> so they'll often get removed after a period of time to reduce size
[14:21] <cjwatson> honestly, I wouldn't bother if I were you
[14:23] <cody-somerville> alright. thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. :)
[15:01] <mathiaz> seb128: hi!
[15:01] <mathiaz> seb128: what is ~/.gconfd/saved_state used for?
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> mathiaz, that file logs listeners, so that they can be restored if gconfd restarts
[15:05] <mathiaz> chrisccoulson: ok - so there is no point in putting this file under version control
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> mathiaz, no, i wouldn't bother doing that
[15:06] <mathiaz> chrisccoulson: great - thanks!
[15:09] <jcastro> whom do I talk to about making sure a package is blacklisted from being merged from debian?
[15:12] <james_w> jcastro: you can file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[15:12] <jcastro> ok
[15:12] <james_w> it won't prevent it, but stop it being listed by merges.ubuntu.com and the like
[15:12] <jcastro> james_w: on the specific package?
[15:12] <james_w> yeah
[15:32] <bladernr_> Hey, I have a question... how difficult would it be to get a couple more sample files included in /usr/share/example-content?
[15:33] <bladernr_> I see most standard doctypes included as samples, but no pdfs
[15:41] <kklimonda> bladernr_: we are limited by the amount of the free space on live cd
[15:41] <cjwatson> including extra small files wouldn't be much of an issue
[15:44] <bladernr_> cjwatson:  I was just thinking about including a .pdf, seems that directory has pretty much all common doc types, except for pdf
[15:46] <xnox> If my merge proposal is marked "Needs Fixing" should I just push new revision & comment that I've fixed the issues. Or shall I click "resubmit" merge proposal?
[15:46] <bladernr_> right now, we're discussing (in QA) just including sample files inside the checkbox package instead, I was just interested in using example-content since it's already there, so no need to duplicate data
[15:47] <cjwatson> file a bug report, and discuss with whoever uploaded it last :)
[15:49] <james_w> xnox: if it's a small change then just comment and change it to "Needs Review". If you took a completely different approach then you can "Resubmit".
[15:50] <xnox> ok thanks james_w
[15:53] <pitti> Riddell: ah, you're doing syncs ATM?
[15:53] <Riddell> pitti: I am yes
[16:09] <pitti> kees, jdstrand: I prepared new psql packages for all stables and set up bug 582299 to track the progress; should I do anything further now?
[16:11] <kees> pitti: if it's related to security, we'd need the debdiffs for us to upload.
[16:12] <pitti> kees: oh, not just the source packages?
[16:12] <pitti> kees: I put them all (including source.changes) to my people page
[16:12] <pitti> kees: it's a new orig.tar.gz, so if you want I can put an interdiff there?
[16:12] <kees> pitti: ah, yes, if you've got everything with source.changes, we can use that.
[16:12] <kees> no need for interdiff
[16:12] <pitti> kees: yep, all tested in their respective chroots, etc.
[16:12] <kees> excellent
[16:13] <pitti> kees: but I don't think I am actually allowed to upload to security-proposed, am I?
[16:17] <persia> pitti: I can't find the relevant wiki page just now, but somewhere around feisty, nomenclature was introduced to derivatives distinguishing "flavours", "remixes", and "derivatives": the first being entirely built as part of Ubuntu, the second being small unofficial changes or modifications (often used for LoCo releases, etc.), and the third being projects like Mint.  There's some fairly precise restrictions imposed on the level of variation to
[16:17] <persia>  qualify for each name.  If you are very curious, I'll try harder to find the wiki page tomorrow.
[16:17] <Keybuk> popey: videos from UDS are still being encoded and going up, right?
[16:17] <pitti> persia: ah, thanks for the heads-up!
[16:17] <pitti> persia: makes sense indeed
[16:18] <popey> Keybuk: i have requested some as the video crew didnt have time to do them all, asked if we could crowdsource the editing etc
[16:18] <Keybuk> popey: ah, I see; so there was a cut-off whereby if they didn't get it encoded during UDS, they didn't do it at all?
[16:19] <popey> i think so, yes
[16:19] <popey> elmo was the interface to the video people
[16:19] <elmo> no
[16:19] <persia> Note also there are official flavours (e.g. xubuntu) and unofficial flavours (e.g. sabily): the difference being that we're all supposed to care if we break the official ones (although it's nice to not break the unofficial ones)
[16:19] <slangasek> pitti, persia: right; I'm not sure if I ever read the wiki page, but I've intuitively tried to avoid referring to flavors as "derivatives" because the term implies they're secondary to Ubuntu desktop
[16:20] <elmo> what happened was, we asked the team leads to pick "the same number of sessions as Dallas" as that's what was budgeted for, and they helpfully picked 2x that amount
[16:21] <elmo> the as-yet-unedited stuff is being edited atm, and will go up when we get it.  we'll likely stop at the original 20-30 limit though, and if you guys want to 'crowdsource' the rest, that's obviously up to you
[16:21] <Keybuk> is there a way to know which sessions will be done and which won't?
[16:22] <Keybuk> just curious myself; i've found watching the videos back of my discussions very useful, especially in the wake of gobbygate
[16:22] <Keybuk> (not to mention very unnerving, my voice is much squeakier in real life than it sounds in my head - and apparently I can't stop moving)
[16:22] <elmo> Keybuk: i'm meant to be getting a list, I'll check on that
[16:23] <Chipzz> Keybuk: I got the same issue with my voice
[16:24] <Keybuk> elmo: thanks
[16:25] <popey> thanks for clarifying elmo
[17:19] <superm1> cjwatson, , sorry, no i don't.
[17:27] <kees> pitti: no, so really that bug needs ubuntu-security-sponsors sub'd to it.  I'll do that.
[17:28] <cyphermox> is it just me or now the trick of init=/bin/sh passed to the kernel no longer works for going straight to a shell? right now all I get is a system that stops after 'running /scripts/init-bottom'. what would be the new way of doing this?
[17:33] <joaopinto> cyphermox, it works for me on lucid, using /sbin/sulogin
[17:34] <cyphermox> ah, thanks, didn't think of that
[17:51] <dmart> kees: hi, were you just editing arm-m-missing-security-features?  I think some of our changes may have crossed over...
[17:56] <kees> dmart: I was, yes.  sorry if I clobbered something...
[17:56]  * kees checks
[17:56] <kees> dmart: hrm, I can't find a whiteboard history.  what changes did you make?
[17:57] <kees> dmart: ah-ha, I see it in email now...
[17:57] <dmart> kees: I think you undeleted some stuff on the whiteboard (it's duplicated on the wiki), and refined some of the actions.  I had a couple of actions, but they disappeared
[17:57] <dmart> (not that I mind my actions disappearing ;))
[17:58] <kees> dmart: hehe, no problem; I've extracted them from the email I just got on the update.
[17:58] <kees> dmart: how does it look now?
[17:58]  * dmart looks...
[17:59] <dmart> That looks OK.  I added the ": TODO" for each
[17:59] <kees> dmart: ah, yes.  thanks!
[18:00] <dmart> Should we include testing here too?  The spec template mentions test cases, and the sensible thing is probably for each assignee to come up with appropriate tests to make sure their features are working.
[18:00] <dmart> Probably x86 already has tests we can reuse for most of these.
[18:01] <kees> dmart: we can include it, but it's really "done" already.  I have a full test suite for each of those features.
[18:01] <kees> dmart: it's just a matter of removing the "if armel, XFAIL" checks.
[18:01] <dmart> OK, great :)  I'll tweak the wiki to indicate this
[18:01] <kees> dmart: cool.  I'll add a todo for me to adjust and run the testsuite
[18:02] <dmart> ok, sounds good
[18:03] <dmart> thanks
[18:20] <YokoZar> How do files installed into /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages end up there?  It looks like the packages say to install to /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages
[18:24] <RoAk> YokoZar, python 2.6 has to install in dist-packages and not in site-packages
[18:25] <YokoZar> RoAk: that makes sense, but I dont' get how the packages are being moved.  Is it a maintainer script somewhere?  Eg: dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl  returns unknown, and looking at the apturl-common package it's supposed to install into /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages
[18:26] <RoAk> YokoZar, I guess either python-central or python-support is doing that
[18:31] <RoAk> YokoZar, man dh_pycentral explains it
[18:32] <YokoZar> RoAk: thank you!
[18:32] <RoAk> np :)
[18:34] <smoser> looking for some help regarding debian/watch / uscan
[18:35] <smoser> at http://s3.amazonaws.com/ec2-downloads/ i want to watch for ec2-ami-tools-\d+\.\d+\-\d+.zip
[18:35] <smoser> but since there is no html to parse, i'm lost for how to tell uscan that
[18:38] <ccheney> smoser: perhaps email the devscripts devel team (see packages.qa.d.o) they might have to extend uscan to work with xml if it doesn't already work
[18:39] <smoser> yeah.. i'd guess its a big edge case
[18:39] <Pici> 50
[18:39] <ccheney> smoser: if its standard anyway, i'm not sure how xml pages like that are intended to work
[18:39] <smoser> yeah, i dont think there is any standard there.
[18:40] <smoser> realistically, they announce it somewhere else. they just dont
[18:45] <mdeslaur> mvo: I've added you to tasks in security-m-support-status and security-m-easier-security-updates blueprints. Feel free to reassign/complain/etc... :)
[18:47] <mdeslaur> seb128: I have some work items that I need to assign to someone...see the security-m-authentication-spoofing blueprint. Do you know who I should assign them to?
[18:48] <ccheney> smoser: i'm not sure but debian/rules get-orig-source may be what you want instead
[18:49] <ccheney> smoser: you can do anything you need inside that to grab the source, but its not uscan :-\
[18:49] <smoser> ccheney, thanks. i'll take a look.  i'm really hoping for the benefits of a watch file
[18:49] <seb128> mdeslaur, which items are those?
[18:50] <smoser> more than just downloading the original source , but i was unaware of get-orig-source rule
[18:50] <mdeslaur> seb128: it's to add the aboutme picture to the policykit and gksu password dialogs, and to make sure a random picture gets selected when a new user is created.
[18:51] <seb128> hum, patches are welcome? ;-)
[18:51] <seb128> mdeslaur, you want those to be assigned to somebody in the desktop team rather?
[18:51] <mdeslaur> seb128: uhm...yes? :)
[18:51] <seb128> mdeslaur, I'm not sure we want to sign up for extra work but I can check
[18:54] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok, thanks...let me know
[19:16] <pitti> Riddell: when you accept SRUs, can you please use sru-accept.py? (Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Reviewing%20procedure%20and%20tools)
[19:17] <ccheney> pitti: did you see my email from earlier?
[19:17] <pitti> ccheney: yes, I responsed to your IRC ping this morning
[19:17] <pitti> ccheney: I'm afraid the only thing that'll help is a rebuild, since the last build was longer than 7 days ago
[19:18] <ccheney> pitti: oh ok, seems my irc client ate it
[19:18] <seb128> mdeslaur, do you guy use work items for your specs?
[19:18] <ccheney> pitti: ok well i will be doing a proposed upload in a week or two once final 3.2.1 comes out, i think it will be fine until then
[19:18] <mdeslaur> seb128: yes, we do
[19:18] <micahg> pitti: out of curiosity are there any plans to get apport into Debian
[19:18] <pitti> ccheney: right
[19:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, ok, security-m-private-directory, the [actions] are wanted in that format? or should they be moved to items?
[19:19] <pitti> micahg: haven't heard of any; I don't think I'll have time to maintain everything there, it'd be a huuuge effort
[19:19] <pitti> micahg: (unless they want to use Launchpad for the crash reports and retracing, but even that will take a fair amount of work)
[19:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, sorry I asked after reading the email and there was not the whiteboard start there so I didn't notice you had work items on the spec too
[19:20] <mdeslaur> seb128: ah, ok :)
[19:20] <micahg> pitti: ok, we were wondering because if we increase the # of hooks, it would be good to push the hooks to Debian, but not all DM/DD will take since they;re useless in Debian ATM
[19:21] <micahg> pitti: but that's ok, thanks for the info
[19:22] <pitti> micahg: FYI, in udisks I do this: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-utopia/udisks.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9ddc5bb660a4f53c2533c8e154159dfcdd94519
[19:23] <micahg> pitti: that's perfect, would you mind if I added that to the docs once they are created?
[19:23] <pitti> micahg: alternatively, I'm not oppposed to having hooks for popular packages, where the hook is the only diff to debian, in apport-symptoms package
[19:24] <pitti> micahg: heh, of course not :)
[19:24] <micahg> pitti: great, thanks, I'll keep the apport-symptoms thing in mnd as well
[19:24] <micahg> *mind
[19:25] <micahg> pitti: is there a reason why you use lsb_release vs dpkg-vendor?
[19:27] <pitti> micahg: yes, this is the first time I hear about dpkg-vendor :)
[19:27] <micahg> pitti: ah, ok, I learned about it a couple months ago while doing a merge from Debian
[19:27] <pitti> dpkg-vendor --is Ubuntu, nice
[19:27] <pitti> micahg: this avoids the extra b-dep
[19:28] <micahg> pitti: ah, cool
[19:35] <fabrice_sp> pitti, may I have your opinion on bug #561958?
[19:35] <pitti> fabrice_sp: ah, I deliberately don't install this bit; it's crackful
[19:35] <pitti> it would need to use udisks or something
[19:36] <fabrice_sp> I see your comment in debian/rules, but without it, some readers are not recongnized
[19:37] <pitti> fabrice_sp: hm, will have a look later on; those readers are non-usb mass storage?
[19:38] <fabrice_sp> I think so, but I can check (mine is recognised as USB)
[19:45] <fabrice_sp> yeah: it seems that they are non-usb mass storage, so that would explain why without this program it does not work (nothing to mount)
[19:48] <mvo> mdeslaur: thanks, I noticed that - the amount of [mvo] in it is a bit disproportional to the amount of other names ;) but I will see what I can do, some of it should be really straightforward
[19:51] <mdeslaur> mvo: I didn't know who it should be assigned to, as I mentioned, feel free to reassign or to tell me what you can't/don't want to do
[19:51] <mdeslaur> mvo: btw, you're second in line for the cloning machine, right behind pitti
[19:51] <mvo> mdeslaur: heh :)
[20:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, hey again
[20:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, we don't have ressources for those this cycle
[20:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, if anybody want to work on that patches are welcome otherwise I guess it's not going to happen this cycle
[20:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, you can assign those to our team but it's likely we will not get to those
[20:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, otherwise your team might maybe try to work on those?
[20:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: okay, thanks
[20:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: we'll see what we can do
[20:46] <seb128> thanks
[20:46] <micahg> mdeslaur: I'd be happy to take care of the firefox packaging for installation if there's an example somewhere else
[20:47] <mdeslaur> micahg: ok, thanks
[21:34] <cody-somerville> Does it take awhile for requestsync to see new versions of a package in Debian?
[21:35] <cody-somerville> It thinks the version of a particular package is 17 when I'm looking at the accept message for version 18.
[21:35] <Laney> when was it uploaded?
[21:36] <cody-somerville> a few hours ago
[21:36] <Laney> probably takes longer than that for LP to learn about it
[21:36] <Laney> have a look at lp/debian/+source/package
[21:37] <Laney> however, if rmadison -u debian knows about it then requestsync from trunk will save you
[22:02] <cody-somerville> superm1, is the i8k module supported on vostro series laptops?
[22:41] <wgrant> Laney, cody-somerville: The Debian archive has been broken for a couple of weeks now, so the LP import is out of date.
[22:41] <wgrant> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577759
[22:41] <cody-somerville> ewww
[22:41] <wgrant> (this breaks debmirror for unstable)


[02:07] <snap-l> I just replaced the cartridge for a turntable I got from my bro-in-law
[02:07] <snap-l> Chalk that up to things I didn't ever think I'd be doing in 2012
[02:49] <jrwren> hahahaha
[02:49] <jrwren> got any records?
[10:48] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/8Ac8p
[10:48] <rick_h_> vs
[10:48] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/A0fHm
[10:48] <rick_h_> dammit...when's my plane leave?
[10:48] <rick_h_> nullspace: snap-l widox Blazeix reminder early edition tonight
[11:48] <nullspace> what does that mean? it starts at 7?
[11:48] <rick_h_> ok, so I'm a geek, just set an alarm for the start of the google IO keynote
[11:48] <rick_h_> nullspace: CHC is early edition last one of hte month and starts at 7pm
[11:48] <rick_h_> extra hour of hacking goodness at the end of the month
[11:48] <nullspace> rick_h_: android fanboy
[11:49] <rick_h_> nullspace: actually, more interested in the non-android news but yea I guess
[11:50] <rick_h_> there's leaks that the Chrome team has some neat stuff coming..and I am a chrome fanboi
[11:58] <shakes808> good morning
[12:01] <rick_h_> morning
[12:03] <shakes808> rick_h_: This is totally your shirt http://shirt.woot.com/
[12:04] <rick_h_> I LIKE it!
[12:04] <rick_h_> ordered!
[12:09] <nullspace> holy sweet fancy moses, 106 tomorrow?
[12:09] <nullspace> 106 in the middle of a thunderstorm, really?
[12:09] <brousch> eh?
[12:10] <rick_h_> 106? I just saw 94 and that's enough for me to go hug my AC unit and give it a bath today
[12:10] <brousch> Wow, we only have a high of 97 tomorrow
[12:11] <nullspace> weather underground is reporting the 106
[12:11] <nullspace> and it's so cool and pleast now
[12:12] <rick_h_> yea, deck hacking atm
[12:12] <brousch> "Hot and humid. Cooler near Lake MI" No? Really? You don't say.
[12:12] <snap-l> Wow, 104 on wunderground for tomorrow
[12:12] <snap-l> I don't think I want to come out of the house.
[12:13] <nullspace> I think I'm staying in the basement
[12:14] <brousch> I will go out just to experience the free sauna
[12:14] <rick_h_> lol, so tempted to have this merge proposal message be "unf@#$# the sh!$"
[12:14] <rick_h_> lol
[12:14] <rick_h_> good way to go brousch
[12:22] <shakes808> rick_h_: lol thought you would like that shirt. It isn't "You're doing it wrong!" but close enough lol ;)
[12:36] <brousch> I almost submitted a talk "You're doing it wrong! But don't let that stop you."
[12:43] <brousch> Hm, what plugin do I need to view this? http://goo.gl/cwkAY
[12:44] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/cwkAY â this URL has been disabled.
[12:45] <brousch> Huh, wierd
[12:46] <brousch> It is a link to one of patents Apple just used against Samsung, on the USPTO.gove site
[12:46] <brousch> Ah well, I think I found it on another site
[12:46] <rick_h_> man, my wife is no fun http://paste.mitechie.com/show/710/
[12:49] <rick_h_> I am impressed she remembers my license plate though
[12:50] <brousch> What? she is vetoing the Star Wars family?
[12:51] <rick_h_> appears so
[12:52] <brousch> You need to get with your son and out vote her
[12:52] <brousch> Or if she does not comply, make her the Jawa
[12:56] <brousch> OMG.  What hype?
[13:51] <rick_h_> especially since node is packaged on most places now vs hand compiling v8, but more power to him. just a little wow
[13:52]  * snap-l writes down to make the brousch troll script, ehere every word is replaced with "troll"
[13:52] <snap-l> troll? troll troll?
[13:52] <snap-l> ;)
[13:52] <rick_h_> it needs more 'har's
[13:52] <rick_h_> har? har troll?
[13:53] <rick_h_> har har!
[13:53] <snap-l> troll har troll
[13:53] <rick_h_> there you go, sounds better to me
[13:53] <nullspace> more lols too
[13:53] <nullspace> trololololol
[13:53] <rick_h_> naw, that's what we're for. We supply the lols and brousch  the har trolls
[13:53] <brousch> Trollbot
[13:53] <rick_h_> teamwork!
[13:53] <brousch> Finally, I can replace myself
[13:53] <snap-l> trolololol? That's Trevor
[13:54] <nullspace> trevor who?
[13:54] <brousch> I have been replaced by a tiny shell script
[13:54] <snap-l> Oh, speaking of replacing, I'm this close to sending the AI tat loves Cat Pictures to a few forwarders
[13:54] <rick_h_> brousch: naw, it'd require string manipulation, I'd go with perl :P
[13:55] <snap-l> tjagoda
[13:55] <snap-l> ^ nullspace
[13:55] <nullspace> he stil lerks here?
[13:57] <brousch> OK, real question: Does anyone remember if IPs on the PyOhio wifi are firewalled from each other?
[13:57] <snap-l> He has in the past, though I haven't seen him in a while.
[13:58] <snap-l> brousch: I'm not sure. I seem to remember some strangeness, but I may be making shit u
[13:58] <snap-l> up
[13:58] <brousch> It was a little strange, and ports blocked, but I don't remember if you could access other things on the same wifi
[13:59] <brousch> I was thinking of running a Django server on the phone during the talk, and the audience could access it
[13:59] <snap-l> I think that was the school wifi
[13:59] <brousch> Right, it is provided by The OSU
[13:59] <snap-l> They usually give out slips of paper with guest access
[14:00] <snap-l> I'd bring your own router.
[14:00] <brousch> Yeah, good idea
[14:00] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I'd probably make sure you had a backup plan you were happy with
[14:00] <snap-l> Even if it isn't, at least you'd have some control over it
[14:01] <snap-l> brousch: If you want, I can remind myself to bring the MUG router to PyOhio
[14:01] <brousch> Nah, I have one in my user group kit
[14:01] <snap-l> ok
[14:02] <brousch> Calvin does not give us wifi, so I plug it in and make my own there
[14:02] <snap-l> Yeah, the library wifi is OK, but it's congested
[14:03] <snap-l> That and WPA2 is much more preferable. ;)
[14:04] <brousch> heh
[14:04] <brousch> I don't really worry about that. The 8 people using it are all sitting in the same room
[14:08] <brousch> I like Vim on my phone because there's no decent pointing device. Makes it much easier to jump around in a file
[15:00] <rick_h_> rlbtjfchhirrhbcgdfjujjg
[15:00] <snap-l> Thanks. I needed a new keyword for my Perl program.
[15:01] <brousch> rick_h_: What's this? Have you moved on from numbers to random characters?
[15:02] <Blazeix> it's the vim version of the konami code
[15:03] <rick_h_> bah, just glad it was this channel
[15:03] <rick_h_> that's the migation from deck to indoors command
[15:04] <brousch> heh
[15:26] <rick_h_> your JS WTF of the day: https://pastebin.canonical.com/68988/ (only the top 8 lines)
[15:26] <rick_h_> thankfully the latest version fixed the bug and that's how I found this issue
[15:27] <brousch> I have to signin to see that
[15:28] <brousch> I do not have access to pastebin
[15:28] <rick_h_> ah right, my bad
[15:28] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/711/
[15:29] <brousch> hm
[16:02] <jrwren> really getting accustomed to ctrl @ capsloc position
[16:07] <rick_h_> jrwren: best thing ever
[16:26] <rick_h_> oh oh oh it begins https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_q
[16:26] <rick_h_> I just finished porting all my AMZ music to google music last night yay
[16:39] <rick_h_> bah, stream is choppy for me
[17:09] <snap-l> ttp://www.pelgranepress.com/Birds/comics/120627-Almost%20Never.png
[17:11] <nullspace> mmm jelly bean looks slick
[17:11] <jrwren> i missed it, oh that is new android version?
[17:12] <nullspace> 4.1
[17:12] <nullspace> yeps
[17:12] <rick_h_> yea
[17:17]  * brousch grumbles about not even having ICS yet
[17:17] <jrwren> lol
[17:18] <jrwren> this is why apple is winning.
[17:18] <rick_h_> winning what? :P
[17:19] <rick_h_> for google and their revenue stream (apps/adds/data/etc) more units == better
[17:20] <brousch> I donated $10 today to the guy making a great custom ROM for my phone
[17:23] <rick_h_> mmm, phone is getting warm with the video
[17:26] <snap-l> I'm still on 2.3
[17:28] <rick_h_> chrome as the default browser, nice
[17:36] <brousch> OMG I think it's working. Virtualenv on Android
[17:38] <brousch> I feel so 1337. I am forking virtualenv
[17:41] <Blazeix> according to my clock you forked the repo at 13:37. so that's double 1337.
[17:42] <brousch> hah, that would be awesome
[17:42] <Blazeix> or maybe that was your home_dir change. it was close, anyway
[17:42] <brousch> darn, "source" doesn't work
[17:47] <brousch> Blazeix: I'm not used to other people seeing my code. That's kind of creepy
[17:47] <rick_h_> you can never go wrong with muppets! #IO
[17:50] <greg-g> I just took a few pictures of the 64th largest privately owned yatch in the world (largest in N. America)
[17:50] <rick_h_> greg-g: pics or didn't happen...oh wait
[17:52] <Blazeix> brousch: i just followed you on github. maybe that legitimizes the stalking.
[17:52] <Blazeix> or at least automates it.
[17:52] <brousch> greg-g: Expect the owner's henchmen to break your camera soon
[17:53] <brousch> I think this is actually working
[17:54] <brousch> I had to create an ext2 partition on my SD card to hold the virtualenvs, then make 2 tiny changes to virtualenv.py for it to work
[18:00] <greg-g> I was kind of worried for a second since I walked around one side to get a better shot and it was qausi roped off, :)
[18:02] <rick_h_> waldo323_: reminder early CHC tonight
[18:04] <snap-l> I am creating some evil code.
[18:04] <snap-l> Parsing a YAML file to get field names and such, but it's making things kind of ugly
[18:04] <snap-l> database_field_names.append(field.keys()[0])
[18:05] <snap-l> excel_field_names.append(field.values()[0]['formal_name'])
[18:05] <brousch> Is your extended pinky at the corner of your mouth?
[18:05] <snap-l> brousch: No, but hopefully it will net me... One MEEEEELEIION dollars.
[18:22] <waldo323_> rick_h_, thanks i will likely be late
[18:22] <rick_h_> waldo323_: np, just reminder
[18:38] <rick_h_> ok, so dammit why do I not go to IO again?
[18:39] <rick_h_> I can pay $1500 to be an alpha tester!
[18:39] <Scott_firebeta> you can also pay $300 to get an apple tv wannabe
[18:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: Heh
[19:07] <jjesse> yes but that apple tv wannabe is supposedly built in the USA
[19:07] <jjesse> so yay for that
[19:08] <rick_h_> yea, and BT/tie in to the content I actually buy/own
[19:08] <rick_h_> still steep, but I'm more likely to get that than an apple tv any time soon
[19:08] <jjesse> also super excited for Jelly Bean even though my phone is still at 2.4 or whatever
[19:08]  * rick_h_ does the verizon wait...
[19:50] <nullspace> I'm temped to check out iOS 6 as I'm now a iOS dev for my company
[19:51] <greg-g> I'm sorry.
[19:53] <jrwren> yay
[19:53] <jrwren> congrats.
[19:53] <jrwren> same company?
[20:38] <greg-g> I love the creative commons mailing lists:
[20:38] <greg-g> HELLO, THIS IS THE 45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAARLENEA BALLARD ELECTION NUMBER<PHONE_NUMBER>. JUST CHECKING IN, NEED SOME ONE TO SPEND THE WORD FOR ME JAJASHABO-ARLENEA BALLARD THANKS!!!
[20:39] <ColonelPanic001> watch it there. I'm a proud citizen of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAARLENEA
[20:40] <greg-g> :)
[20:41] <snap-l> Apparently one of the consulting firms I used to work with is on the fritz
[20:41] <greg-g> heya ColonelPanic001, long time :)
[20:41] <snap-l> They're sending me mainframe / DB2 and ASP.net jobs
[20:42] <greg-g> anyone else use google calendar? is it loading for you right now?
[20:42] <rick_h_> loading here
[20:42] <snap-l> I wonder if their events bullshit is taking it down
[20:42] <ColonelPanic001> hi greg-g
[20:42] <ColonelPanic001> I'm here in the workday,just usually have little to say
[20:43] <greg-g> snap-l: I am on the west coast, it might be hitting the wrong mirrors :/
[20:43] <ColonelPanic001> west coast is wrong coats
[20:43] <ColonelPanic001> west coast is wrong coast
[20:43] <ColonelPanic001> I have no opinion on the coats there.
[20:43] <greg-g> burlington
[20:43] <ColonelPanic001> you would.
[20:44]  * ColonelPanic001 has no idea what that would imply
[20:44] <snap-l> It's mostly loading for me, but not fully.
[20:44] <snap-l> There it does
[20:44] <ColonelPanic001> just fill in the gaps
[20:44] <snap-l> (goes, too)
[20:44] <ColonelPanic001> god, google has to do *everything* for you
[20:44] <snap-l> INtroducing Google Wipe
[20:44] <ColonelPanic001> yes
[20:44] <ColonelPanic001> that's a service I'd use
[20:45] <rick_h_> FAQ: "Is google wipe compatible with my current 3rd party device case?"


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[20:37] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 644 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue644 :D


[00:59] <aenrick> hmm hello anyone i have some trouble(very very.. beginner totally Oo)
[00:59] <aenrick> anyone able to help?
[00:59] <knome> !ask | aenrick
[01:02] <aenrick> ok then, I modified my resolution screen and then I cannot see anything(glitches, weird screen display, cant even see a word) That's my main problem, i'm trying to fix it and found some information on modyfign the xorg.conf but the file is empty. Another thing i tried is using the sudo reconfigure xserver xorg, it just ask me some info about my keyboard or stuff, forum said it is suposed to ask me for resolution settings
[01:16] <n2diy> anybody compared gnucash with homebank?
[01:19] <chase1> hello, im having some issues. im trying to uninstall xubuntu from my machine. i tried deleting the partition but there is no partition at all.  i tried to install ubuntu over that but it did not work.  i uninstalled ubuntu from windows, but xubuntu still shows up on the dual boot screen. when i select it it just goes to a ubuntu installer that always fails. i have no clue how on earth it got this messed up, lol. does anybody hav
[01:44] <homebrewcider> Can't delete files. "can't open trash for writing" can someone help please
[02:45] <jiohdi> is there a way to get num lock on boot up?
[15:15] <slow-motion> hi
[17:00] <snxdp> any prefered site, for "pimpin" the desktop, icon, everything.
[17:02] <knome> !themes
[17:03] <knome> hmm
[17:03] <knome> !changethemes
[17:03] <knome> snxdp, there you go
[17:03] <knome> snxdp, also, many things on gnome-look.org are appliable into xfce.
[17:04] <snxdp> yes.. thanks alot. :)
[17:05] <knome> np
[17:07] <snxdp> hopefully xubuntu, comes more easy to me then ubuntu did, had a lot of trouble the 10-15 times i've installed and removed, the OS. lol..
[17:07] <knome> at least you can ask for support here and we try to help you
[17:09] <snxdp> so far so good, thanks again.. are a bit unsecure about my safety, probobly a windows syndrome...
[17:10] <knome> well you are definitely more safe now
[17:11] <knome> as long as you think of what you are doing every time you insert your password, everything is fine
[17:11] <snxdp> thats good to know.. have a nice weekend. :)
[17:12] <knome> you too
[18:25] <slow-motion> bye
[18:29] <snxdp> are there any other media player, then adobe, recommended?
[18:29] <snxdp> thats for streaming..
[21:06] <ericcc> Hi all
[21:07] <ericcc> I'm running Xubuntu Karmic alpha-5, and im having problems mounting my 1TB external NTFS hard disk
[21:07] <ericcc> it tells me "Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative"
[21:08] <ericcc> when i mount it manually it works fine however. I noticed there was a bug logged for this problem at the end of june but it has been closed. I've run chkdsk on the disk, dirty bit is not set, so its a bit of a mystery :s
[21:23] <nox404> hello
[21:25] <nox404> ok so, i need to add a few commands to be exicuted when X is loaded. How would i go about doing that?
[21:36] <nox404> ok so, i need to add a few commands to be exicuted when X is loaded. How would i go about doing that?
[22:00] <nox404> ok so, i need to add a few commands to be exicuted when X is loaded. How would i go about doing that?
[22:01]  * jarnos wonders what Xorg is doing as it takes so much CPU
[22:06] <Sysi> failing mauybe
[22:06] <Sysi> it still is quite heavy when it works as it should
[23:13] <Ese> for some reason my usb doesn't work on my laptop
[23:13] <Ese> it works in "the other OS"
[23:14] <Sysi> what filesystem?
[23:15] <Ese> ext4
[23:16] <Sysi> hmm, sorry but i'll need to go to bed, way too late here
[23:17] <Techie> Ese- whats your problem?
[23:18] <Ese> my usb mouse is not working on my laptop
[23:18] <Ese> it did worked on other OS's
[23:18] <Ese> it works on windows and opensuse
[23:18] <Techie> what type of USB mouse?
[23:19] <Techie> is it generic or is it a brandname?
[23:19] <Ese> it seems very generic to me
[23:19] <Techie> this may help, run lsusb in terminal and post the output to pastebin
[23:20] <Techie> the mouse must be plugged in during this time, if it wasnt blatantly obvious already
[23:21] <Ese> http://pastebin.com/m57248d14
[23:21] <Ese> hehe
[23:21] <Ese> I'm not that n00b
[23:21] <Techie> didnt think you were, but ive seen people that are
[23:22] <Techie> okay, i think this is the line we are interested in
[23:22] <Techie> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04f2:b159 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
[23:22] <Ese> yeah
[23:22] <Ese> that's it
[23:26] <Techie> hrmm, this laptop happent ot be a HP laptop
[23:27] <Ese> yes, a probook 4410s
[23:27] <Techie> i found a couple of bug reports for this issue, but no answers as of yet
[23:27] <Techie> ill keep looking
[23:28] <Ese> I found someone making the suggestion of trying sudo update-usbids
[23:28] <Techie> run this please, mseg|grep usb
[23:28] <Ese> and magically seemed to work out the issue, but not for me
[23:29] <Ese> mseg?
[23:29] <Ese> it says that is not a command
[23:29] <Techie> kk
[23:30] <Techie> have you tried any of the other USB ports?
[23:30] <Ese> yep
[23:30] <Ese> all 4
[23:30] <Techie> kk
[23:30] <Techie> that cancels out that idea
[23:33] <Ese> it seems to be a kernel related problem
[23:33] <Techie> man, untill i saw some of these reports, i never thought there was such a thing as too much information
[23:33] <Ese> heh
[23:33] <Techie><EMAIL_ADDRESS><---- TOO MUCH INFO
[23:34] <Ese> "I was wearing an awesome "vote for pedro" t-shirt and a pair of white chucks when all of the sudden the mouse stop working"
[23:36] <Ese> these kind of silly issues is why linux is not for everyone
[23:36] <Techie> yeah, and its also why we have large support groups like this
[23:37] <Techie> hello SiDi
[23:38] <SiDi> hi
[23:39] <Techie> honestly, i cant seem to find anything remotely useful
[23:42] <Ese> it's frustrating
[23:42] <Ese> such a small issue
[23:42] <Techie> i know how you feel
[23:42] <Ese> I've tried every usb device on my house
[23:42] <Ese> and they all work
[23:42] <Ese> even my wlan connection worked out of the box
[23:42] <Techie> may i suggest an alternative
[23:42] <Ese> bluetooth, everything
[23:42] <Ese> suer
[23:43] <Techie> buy a different mouse
[23:43] <Ese> heh
[23:43] <Ese> yeah, I was thinking about
[23:43] <Ese> this one is not particulary small for a laptop
[23:43] <Techie> ive learnt from experience that sometimes you jsut have to give up, thats why im running a windows server now instead of ubuntu
[23:44] <SiDi> whats going on ?
[23:44] <Techie> usb mouse issues
[23:44] <SiDi> come on
[23:44] <Ese> well I must say that opensuse completely did for me, what a great distro that is
[23:44] <Techie> http://pastebin.com/m57248d14 <----- output from lsusb
[23:44] <SiDi> if it doesnt work right after plug its most likely the kernel not recognising your motherboard correctly
[23:45] <Techie> hehe, SiDi's always on the ball
[23:48] <SiDi> SiDi is mostly on the way to his warm bed :D
[23:48] <SiDi> Ese: if i were you i would google "usb mouse doesnt work + your laptop's model"
[23:49] <SiDi> you can also perform a search in bugzilla.kernel.org about similar issues


[07:08] <tommy_slim> anyone configured hubot on kubuntu?
[07:40] <jubo2> g'morning folks
[07:41] <jubo2> I got a question
[07:41] <jubo2> I am maybe installing a Kubuntu for mi grand-dad
[07:41] <jubo2> should the printer be connected at installation time or doesn't that matter regarding the printer detection and installation?
[07:42] <jubo2> This machine has a 150GB disk with Windows Vista using about 60GB atm
[07:42] <jubo2> so I was thinking of putting like 60GB for Kubuntu.. sound ok?
[07:42] <jubo2> he doesn't do much fotos or any videos
[07:47] <Fritigern> valorie: Could you give EasyMP3gain a whirl, attempt to apply gain to an MP3 file, open "Options > Show Console Output" and see if you too see loads of "AddressSanitizer CHECK failed" errors? If you do, then perhaps this is not just my PC being weird
[07:56] <Fritigern> Deno, open a terminal and enter kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[07:57] <Fritigern> Keep in mind that it's still beta software, expect breakage!
[08:02] <Fritigern> valorie: Don;t worry about installing easymp3gain, if you just have mp3gain for CLI then just starting it (even without specifying a file) it should generate this error.
[08:37] <jubo2> Hiya
[08:38] <Smurphy> morning.
[08:38] <jubo2> What is best way to check for printer compatibility with GNU/Linux (Kubuntu16.04) (without installing) ?
[08:38] <jubo2> right now running antivirus to this Vista
[08:38] <jubo2> but as all 5+ yrs old MSFT products this is so slow it is barely usable
[08:40] <jubo2> There has gotta be some database somewhere
[08:40] <jubo2> it is Samsung Xpress 2026
[08:41] <Smurphy> jubo2: Make sure it's a postscript capable printer. E.g. it is not a printer that requires software on the OS to render the page.
[08:41] <jubo2> Smurphy: knowing my grand-dad the printer is likely the cheapest they sold
[08:41] <jubo2> so prlly the latter
[08:41] <jubo2> I'll check with the Internet
[08:42] <Smurphy> jubo2: Yep.
[08:43] <Smurphy> Or take one that runs under OS-X. OS-X uses Cups, so most probably it should work with Linux too (as linux uses Cups too).
[08:47] <jubo2> Oh shoot.. it is some GDI rubbish printer
[08:47] <jubo2> and GDI is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Device_Interface (some MSFT rubbish)
[08:48] <jubo2> is there no emulator or something so a Linux could print with a printer that only speaks GDI?
[08:48] <jubo2> New printer don't cost much though
[08:50] <jubo2> Grand-dad says yes to "Do I install GNU/Linux?"
[08:50] <jubo2> Yeay. I go do it now
[08:51] <jubo2> got my unlimited 4G WiFi basestation here so updates will be a breeze
[08:51] <jubo2> See ya on the other side!
[08:56] <AleksZver> Sup
[09:49] <mparillo> http://www.samsungdrivers.net/samsung-m2026-driver/ has a linux tar.gz
[10:13] <Smurphy> mparillo: It does not mean it will work with the current releases.
[10:15] <mparillo> Ahh, OK. I know that my Epson WF has a .deb on their official website and it has been converted on the AUR, and while both versions seem to print fine, the management functions seem to only work on the Windows driver.
[10:18] <chet> /nick noodlesnod
[11:13] <mobijubo> Hiya
[11:14] <mobijubo> I get error from installation ... something returns error when trying to set keymap to finnish
[11:14] <mobijubo> I recreate it now
[11:19] <jubo2> Hi
[11:19] <jubo2> Something is going wrong with the installer
[11:19] <jubo2> I get error
[11:19] <jubo2> ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 1. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[11:20] <jubo2> I better see what it says in /var/log/syslog
[11:21] <jubo2> Should I just pastebin what it says
[11:22] <jubo2> I see it is failing to set locale to local locale \
[11:22] <jubo2> or something thereabouts
[11:24] <jubo2> The following seems to be the problem that invokes the logger and exits with code 1
[11:24] <jubo2> Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale
[11:25] <jubo2> something somewhere is slightly wrong
[11:25] <jubo2> how do I check what is the default locale
[11:26] <jubo2> and how do I change it to Finnish
[11:26] <jubo2> Mi grand-dad was born in the 20s
[11:26] <jubo2> not very fluent in English
[11:27] <jubo2> I change OS lang to Finnish and relogin]
[11:27] <jubo2> a moment
[11:29] <mobijubo> Ok... now OS is in Finnish
[11:29] <mobijubo> I check locale
[11:30] <jubo2> Now OS is in Finnish
[11:30] <jubo2> but kbrd is Murican
[11:31] <jubo2> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[11:31] <jubo2> LANGUAGE=fi
[11:31] <jubo2> and LC_ALL is empty
[11:31] <jubo2> I retry the installation but it will fail again
[11:31] <jubo2> unless someone explains to me how to make it work
[11:35] <jubo2> Before beginning the installation attempt I see from /var/log/syslog that it will fail because https://paste.kde.org/p6ntun9jq
[11:35] <jubo2> I need to mangle something manually for it to understand that language Finnish and kbrd Finnish is very valid and existing choice
[11:38] <jubo2> there was some command to create the needed locales
[11:38] <jubo2> I needed that on some Debian server
[11:38] <jubo2> but I dunno what is going on.. I have installed many Kubuntu with this exact same stick without any problems
[11:39] <jubo2> hmm..
[11:39] <jubo2> locale -a indicates there are only silly anglophone locales available
[11:40] <jubo2> so I need to add the FIFI to there somehow
[11:41] <jubo2> fi_FI.UTF-8 is shown in the /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[11:42] <jubo2> localectl says connection timed out
[11:43] <jubo2> and sorry for not using underscores, apostrophes etc. coz I have no idea where they are on a Murican kbrd
[11:43] <jubo2> ahh
[11:43] <jubo2> locale-gen is what I want
[11:45] <jubo2> that worked... now retrying the installation
[11:45] <jubo2> /var/log/syslog is still in tail -f
[11:48] <jubo2> yeah
[11:49] <jubo2> that solved it
[11:49] <jubo2> now progresses beyond the point where it would fail
[11:49] <jubo2> looking good
[11:50] <jubo2> this sure runs a lot faster than the Vista that is the old os
[12:10] <Guest9540> Hi.
[12:25] <mobijubo> Oh yes. It works. Next I need to determine RAM-type and see where I can get some
[12:25] <mobijubo> Uhh.. 667 upgrades
[12:25] <mobijubo> That'll take a while on age-old celeron and 2GB
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:59] <user|25449> Kann ich Kubuntu neben Windows haben ?
[15:09] <mparillo> If you mean dual boot Kubuntu and MS-Windows, the answer is yes. It is easiest on legacy BIOS, hardest on Secure Boot.
[15:47] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, I made the mistake of wiping the hdd clean and just using legacy mode wth a msdos table, now if i shut the laptop down completelythen sometimes  it won't reboot or find grub, it stalls at the post page.
[16:03] <_thelion_> hi there, i have a problem with emacs - i've asked the folks in #emacs, but they couldn't help me. As you can see in the screenshot: there's a big blue icon in the toolbar. Any idea ... why? https://imgur.com/eQzVbBQ
[16:05] <_thelion_> i've tried the system settings / icons --> no effect.
[16:06] <_thelion_> i've tried to start emacs like: emacs -Q
[16:06] <_thelion_> or emacs -q --> no effect ...
[16:08] <_thelion_> is it possible to remove the toolbar / Emacs?
[16:14] <mparillo> BluesKaj_: Ouch. I was trying to answer the German user.
[16:15] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, yeah I saw that, but he didn't stick around
[16:16] <mparillo> Oh well. Can you always boot your laptop with a live USB?
[16:16] <BluesKaj_> yes, and i have done
[16:18] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, now I just suspend it , I don't shutdown
[16:25] <beta> hello
[16:25] <BluesKaj_> hi beta
[16:26] <beta> hi Bliska
[16:28] <beta> how are you ?
[18:16] <claycorn> hello'
[18:29] <chcknrub> no updates to 16.04, great
[18:37] <Sevish> wondering if kde plasma 5.8 will hit the kubuntu kde backports ppa in the coming months
[18:37] <Sevish> anybody got the scoop?
[18:48] <mparillo> Yes, that is to be expected, but the current focus is getting the latest packaging into the YY Archive.
[18:58] <valorie> getting the LTS Plasma into our LTS would be a good move
[19:16] <Sevish> agreed. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen but I will just wait patiently.
[22:11] <Guest42709> hello
[22:12] <RodNICE> Hello
[22:12] <RodNICE> Looking for kubuntu/KDE assistance
[22:13] <RodNICE> Just got back to kubuntu... got rusty... how do I configure a little multirow panel with shortcuts?
[22:18] <RodNICE> Anyone know how to do multiline taskbars?
[22:19] <valorie> you can right-click on the panel
[22:19] <valorie> lots of options there
[22:19] <valorie> or try the "hamburger" menu on the right
[22:20] <valorie> RodNICE: ^^^
[22:21] <RodNICE> Ohhh
[22:21] <RodNICE> sorry, I'm the only Kubuntu user within 5 miles
[22:21] <RodNICE> (I think)
[22:22] <RodNICE> "hamburger"...
[22:22] <valorie> ||| on its side
[22:22] <RodNICE> When I first installed Kubuntu like 4 years ago, I figured out how to do it and never had to do it again until my laptop died
[22:22] <valorie> well, we've got a major version upgrade to Plasma since then
[22:23] <valorie> so a few little details are different
[22:23] <RodNICE> how do I easily check the version
[22:23] <valorie> for the most part
[22:23] <valorie> plasmashell -v in the commandline
[22:23] <RodNICE> Hardware = Dell Inspiron :(
[22:23] <valorie> or in krunner, About...
[22:24] <valorie> which will give you about system
[22:24] <valorie> I had some Dells I loved
[22:24] <valorie> some I didn't
[22:24] <RodNICE> plasmashell -v... command not found
[22:24] <RodNICE> hmmm I guess I should have done "sudo" first maybe?
[22:25] <valorie> hmmm, what version of kubuntu are you running?
[22:25] <valorie> no, no sudo
[22:25] <RodNICE> I installed the X animal named one I think
[22:25] <RodNICE> not the newest one
[22:26] <valorie> xenial, the 16.04
[22:26] <clivejo> dont use sudo with anything in KDE
[22:26] <RodNICE> Ohhhh
[22:26] <RodNICE> OK OK
[22:26] <RodNICE> thanks guys
[22:26] <RodNICE> no sudo
[22:26] <valorie> so either alt+space
[22:26] <RodNICE>      plasmashell: command not found
[22:26] <valorie> or alt+f2 will give you krunner
[22:27] <valorie> your shortcut to everything
[22:27] <valorie> just type about up in krunner
[22:27] <RodNICE> ooooohhh
[22:27] <RodNICE> wow
[22:27] <RodNICE> that was easy
[22:28] <valorie>  very useful
[22:28] <RodNICE> wow lol
[22:28] <RodNICE> I've never seen that before
[22:28] <valorie> starts anything, and does all kinds of stuff
[22:28] <valorie> krunner has been around since kde3 days at least
[22:28] <RodNICE> Does Kubuntu generally have printed books or is it mostly by memory and community that I need to learn?
[22:28] <valorie> but for some reason, nobody knows about it!
[22:29] <valorie> we have documentation at docs.kubuntu.org
[22:29] <RodNICE> I used to do krunner by accident and always closed it out fearing I broke sometehing
[22:29] <RodNICE> something*
[22:29] <valorie> lol
[22:29] <valorie> yes, if you don't know about it, it eats your typing
[22:29] <valorie> and leaves you confused
[22:29] <RodNICE> Kubuntu 14.04 is my version
[22:30] <valorie> ok, that's a bit older
[22:30] <RodNICE> I just installed it
[22:30] <valorie> that's fine
[22:30] <RodNICE> Didn't think this Insipiron 6000 could handle anything newer
[22:30] <valorie> newer is generally lighter IMO
[22:30] <valorie> but suit yourself
[22:30] <RodNICE> as in less baggage?
[22:31] <RodNICE> or less ability?
[22:42] <valorie> as in quicker and easier on your system
[22:42] <valorie> of course you can load up any system with multiple applications running at once, a million tabs on your browser, etc.
[22:48] <RodNICE> OK, I'll try the newer version
[22:48] <RodNICE> I'm just trying to cheap out on internet at home, but wifi takes forever
[22:49] <RodNICE> I'll have to download it to USB when I stop in to the library
[22:49] <RodNICE> I guess coming from a Windows mindset, I'm thinking newer is heavier
[22:52] <valorie> you can just upgrade, but that is slow as well
[22:54] <RodNICE> yes
[22:54] <RodNICE> especially on wifi
[22:54] <valorie> imo the best way is to download it via torrent
[22:54] <RodNICE> yeah
[22:55] <valorie> that's faster and more secure, since the parts are automatically checked
[22:55] <RodNICE> for some reason, the torrent didn't work when I tried for this one
[22:55] <valorie> you can do that on wife while you sleep
[22:55] <RodNICE> the direct download was faster
[22:55] <RodNICE> You're right.
[22:55] <valorie> probably not many people seeding the older one anymore
[22:55] <RodNICE> Too bad the wifi and my bed are in separate locations, lol
[22:56] <valorie> I seed all the ubuntu torrents
[22:56] <RodNICE> Ohhhh
[22:56] <RodNICE> you're right!!
[22:56] <RodNICE> Man, I feel so stupid right now.
[22:56] <valorie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:56] <RodNICE> I'll try the newer one
[22:56] <valorie> don't be
[22:57] <valorie> just start that and let it take it's own sweet time
[22:57] <valorie> when it's done, burn it to a DVD or usb and try it out
[22:57] <valorie> if you like it, fine
[22:57] <valorie> if not, you've got a working install
[22:58] <RodNICE> is it noticeably different?
[22:59] <valorie> I like the newer better, but there are those who prefer the old
[22:59] <valorie> you have your choice
[22:59]  * valorie is running the beta of the latest
[22:59] <RodNICE> Wow, that link..!!
[23:00] <RodNICE> That's gold!
[23:00] <valorie> yep, that's how I seed all the torrents that are supported
[23:01] <valorie> I have a good connection, so why not?
[23:04] <RodNICE> Wow
[23:04] <RodNICE> You must be in Korea
[23:46] <RodNICE> hey valorie, I'm downloading the beta of the latest right now
[23:47] <valorie> woah, ok
[23:47] <valorie> be sure to test that before installing
[23:47] <valorie> LTS is recommended for most users
[23:48] <RodNICE> lol
[23:48] <RodNICE> Now you tell me?  Well I figured as much, but what could go wrong?
[23:49] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: anything from minor glitches like an icon being broken to crippling failures that prevent normal use of the system.
[23:49] <RodNICE> *sigh*
[23:49] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: i know what i'm doing, i still run LTS only on systems i need to be working at any given time
[23:49] <RodNICE> OK
[23:50] <RodNICE> I'll go with the LTS
[23:50] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: odds are you'll be fine, it's not like it's arch or something
[23:50] <RodNICE> That's what I was thinking
[23:50] <valorie> I'm running the beta right now on my main computer
[23:50] <RodNICE> It's not a mission critical system
[23:50] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: the later version is better and worse; later versions / versions, but greater chance of bugs and instability
[23:50] <valorie> but I do have a backup laptop running the LTS for now
[23:51] <RodNICE> OK
[23:51] <SporkWitch> *versions / features
[23:51] <SporkWitch> *newer features
[23:51] <SporkWitch> valorie: out of curiosity, is gpg2.1.15 in 16.10?
[23:51] <RodNICE> *pauses beta download*
[23:52] <valorie> !info gpg yakkety
[23:52] <valorie> huh
[23:52] <SporkWitch> !info gnupg yakkety
[23:52] <SporkWitch> sweet
[23:52] <SporkWitch> yay ECC support
[23:54] <SporkWitch> i have sid running on this chromebook, and .15 seems to be much more feature-complete; .11 seems to have some residual issues with smartcards (it says it's pulling the key when issuing a fetch from --card-edit, but doesn't actually import it, even though it downloads successfully; .15 on sid successfully pulls and imports)
[23:54] <SporkWitch> also looking forward to playing around with the gpg-agent forwarding in .15 (it's somewhat present in .11, but it's hit and miss)
[23:55] <SporkWitch> (works for signing, but not auth)


[00:00] <mup> Bug #1629491 opened: [2.1] After upgrade to latest trunk (pre-beta1) and after updating images, machines fail to pxe boot due to missing hwe-x kernel <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629491>
[00:15] <mup> Bug #1629491 changed: [2.1] After upgrade to latest trunk (pre-beta1) and after updating images, machines fail to pxe boot due to missing hwe-x kernel <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629491>
[00:21] <mup> Bug #1629491 opened: [2.1] After upgrade to latest trunk (pre-beta1) and after updating images, machines fail to pxe boot due to missing hwe-x kernel <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629491>
[01:07] <mup> Bug #1629499 opened: Internal server error being reported back from various API calls <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629499>
[04:36] <Harish_> How to list server list in maas?
[04:37] <Harish_> I commissined 5 servers to maas ip is given by maas dhcp now i don't know what is the assigined ip's for these servers
[04:37] <Harish_> is there anyway to see ?
[15:59] <mup> Bug #1629578 opened: [2.1] Node commissioning failure - 'cloudinit' running config-ntp when node does not have route to the archive <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629578>
[17:42] <mup> Bug #1629578 changed: [2.1] Node commissioning failure - 'cloudinit' running config-ntp when node does not have route to the archive <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629578>
[18:12] <mup> Bug #1629394 changed: MAAS networks section needs to be removed from 2.0 docs <doc> <maasgh> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629394>
[19:20] <stack_korora> Greetings
[19:21] <stack_korora> Anyone out there who would be willing to chat about MAAS?
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1629604 opened: Command 'interface link-subnet' does not work <docteam> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629604>
[21:59] <stack_korora> Well, this has been a pleasant chat. Goodnight!
[22:23] <MichaelFischer> I'm trying to setup a maas dev cloud with some core m compute sticks. Only problem is that the drivers for USB 3.0 Ethernet adapter isn't included in any supported Ubuntu images for maas.
[22:24] <MichaelFischer> Is there any documentation on creating custom image for Ubuntu? The image builder doesn't seem to support Ubuntu.
[22:30] <pmatulis> MichaelFischer, so the device is not supported by the Xenial kernel?
[22:32] <MichaelFischer> That's correct, I had to compile the driver and add it afterwards.
[22:58] <MichaelFischer> pmatulis, any advice on how to proceed?


[19:42] <championofcyrodi> Hi guys.  I'm running ubuntu 14.04 and everytime i reboot a nova instance using SSH i get: WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!, where the ECDSA key is changed and i have to clean it from my known hosts file.  Is there a way or document describing how to disable this ssh key injection so that it is always the same, or that it doesnt not change?
[19:47] <harlowja> i'd ask your cloud provider, they are likely the ones that are changing the keys around and doing injection
[19:47] <harlowja> or doing something else (probably isn't cloud-init doing this)
[19:49] <championofcyrodi> i'm running my own fuel+mantis cluster w/ openstack
[19:50] <championofcyrodi> (which i guess makes me the only cloud provider i can ask)
[19:51] <harmw> this isn't keyinjection, it's c-i resetting your ssh host keys. Isn't that configurable in c-i.conf?
[19:52] <championofcyrodi> I would think it is, but I'm not sure what the key/value pair is to configure.
[19:52] <harmw> you're just using the default config?
[19:52] <championofcyrodi> yea
[19:52] <harmw> hmk, well I doubt thats the problem then
[19:52] <harmw> did you check the logs?
[19:52] <championofcyrodi> i pass in my own user-data to install some packages. but that's it.
[19:52] <harmw> sounds fairly harmless :)
[19:53] <championofcyrodi> let me check the logs...
[19:55] <harmw> btw harlowja, my instance is only again after applying some hardcore raw sql :p
[19:55] <harlowja> hardcore sql
[19:55] <harlowja> sounds naughty
[19:55] <harlowja> lol
[19:55] <harmw> damn right
[19:55] <harlowja> *hardcore raw sql
[19:55] <harlowja> lol
[19:56] <championofcyrodi> maybe this?  http://pastebin.com/zDYVkGnP
[19:57] <harmw> well there is the reason why you keep having to edit your known_hosts file
[19:57] <harmw> but what causes it (my guess, something in c-i.conf)
[19:58] <championofcyrodi> I see an 'ssh' module set in the init stage...
[20:10] <championofcyrodi> hmm this is frustrating.  I am seeing a module named 'ssh_config' is performing the action(s) in the DEBUG logs from cloud-init.log.   However, I'm not finding "c-i.conf" anywhere in this distro, nor am I finding anything matching the string "ssh_config"
[20:11] <championofcyrodi> only 'ssh', 'ssh-authkey-fingerprints', and 'ssh-import-id'
[20:11] <championofcyrodi> clear
[20:11] <championofcyrodi> oops
[20:25] <kwadronaut> well, the import-id is something you want to run only *once* per instance
[20:40] <championofcyrodi> i think i found it...
[20:40] <championofcyrodi> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html#configure-instances-ssh-keys
[20:40] <championofcyrodi> it looks like i'll need to define it in the #cloud-config, otherwise it's randomly generated everytime.
[20:59] <smoser> championofcyrodi, cloud-init will re-run the ssh key creation on 'per-instance' basis.
[21:00] <smoser> its not "every time".
[21:00] <championofcyrodi> so maybe the known key was just an issue for instances i terminated and re-created.
[21:00] <smoser> its every time it sees a new instance-id.
[21:00] <smoser> well, that would be very much by design :)
[21:01] <championofcyrodi> thanks for telling me that.  is there a doc that describes the modules and when they are used?
[21:01] <championofcyrodi> i found this, which has been helpful: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/modules.html  but the modules section is empty
[21:01] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L300
[21:02] <smoser> then look at the ocnfig on your system (which cna be changed in user-data) in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/*.cfg
[21:03] <championofcyrodi> thank you!!! you have saved my bacon.
[21:03] <smoser> the dfeault frequency is 'per-instance'.
[21:03] <smoser> you can change that ifyou'd like. but generally you do not want ot have multiple systems with the same ssh host keys.
[21:04] <smoser> if you change it to 'once', it will write a file /var/lib/cloud/something-or-other/ssh.once
[21:04] <smoser> and if that file is still there, it will never run it again
[21:22] <harlowja> hmmm, need to work on that module.html doc
[21:27] <smoser> harlowja, 2.0
[21:27] <harlowja> ya
[21:27] <smoser> think about how to do it well.
[21:27] <harlowja> lol
[21:27] <harlowja> hmmm
[21:27] <smoser> and then tell dumb people like smoser
[21:32] <harlowja> :-P
[21:36] <harlowja> smoser modules that have self-contained docs would be cool, then can use that in online docs :)
[21:38] <smoser> yeah, that is what i want.
[21:38] <smoser> config modules with python comment that describe them.
[21:38] <harlowja> >>> from cloudinit.config import cc_ssh
[21:38] <harlowja> >>> cc_ssh.__doc__
[21:38] <smoser> yeah.
[21:38] <harlowja> put a module level comment/docstring and it can be found
[21:38] <harlowja> by magic!
[21:38] <harlowja> ha
[21:38] <harlowja> then sphinx can read that afaik
[21:39] <harlowja> doesn't seem so hard
[21:40] <harlowja> get er' done


[01:42] <wojak> howdy
[01:42] <wojak> anyone on?
[01:43] <wojak> every time i close my laptop and open it again, the screen just goes black after i log in
[01:43] <wojak> the lock screen is fine, just after i log in
[01:43] <wojak> sometimes it opens wherever i left off after a couple minutes, but most of the time i end up having to restart the computer
[06:59] <nine_pt> a mistake was made and I remove /usr/lib/ after some tweaking my pc start but xubuntu do not show my login screen and do not let me access to any other workspace (ctr-alt-f1..f6). Any method to disable xubuntu startx and go to console mode?
[07:02] <diogenes_> nine_pt, with live session
[07:04] <nine_pt> a live cd?
[07:04] <diogenes_> yes or usb
[07:06] <diogenes_> you can copy /usr/lib directly from usb live to your hdd root partition
[07:07] <nine_pt> I did that, and after run a script https://askubuntu.com/questions/272729/accidently-deleted-usr-lib-how-do-i-restore-it but xfce don't show login screen and don't allow to change workspace
[07:16] <diogenes_> nine_pt, then you boot from live session usb/dvd and modify the Exec=startxfce4 to Exec=xterm in /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop or /usr/share/xsessions/xubuntu.desktop
[07:16] <diogenes_> or both
[07:19] <nine_pt> diogenes_: thanks, I will try that in a minute, my home partition is encrypted, I am trying to mount it and do a backup, if in case I can't start xfce I will clena and install again
[07:19] <diogenes_> ok
[07:24] <nine_pt> didn't work ... I replaced on both files and the screen gets black, it appears the mouse cursor and get black ... ang kepts this way forever. I am not able to reach to menu to do a login ...
[07:32] <nine_pt> any way to change xubuntu to start on text console instead  the graphic user login?
[07:43] <elwooz> you can temporarily switch from desktop GUI to a virtual console by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 to F6
[07:44] <elwooz> for
[07:44] <elwooz> Boot into Command-line Permanently: http://ask.xmodulo.com/boot-into-command-line-ubuntu-debian.html
[07:50] <nine_pt> changed the runlevel to 3 and I was able to  boot. When executing statxfce4 it fails with parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
[08:45] <nine_pt> diogenes_: parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied) have any meaning to you? I am not able to startxfce4 with my user but it works with root
[08:46] <diogenes_> nine_pt, try to create a new user or simply move all the .files in your /home dir to another place
[08:47] <diogenes_> .files and .folders and re-log or reboot
[08:48] <nine_pt> my folder is encrypted and I need it that way ...
[12:12] <Andrei76> heya
[12:12] <Andrei76> have a nice day wherever you are
[12:43] <MNDudek> Diogenes_, I plugged in an Ext4 thumbdrive, and it copies fine, a bit slower (that may be due to the drive itself), but it was a constant flow of data, no pauses. Thanks for your time and your help, I'll continue to experiement.
[19:48] <nine_pt> my older isn't able to pass from lightdm login, enter authentication screen gests black and back to lightdm, but a new user (create a new one) can. Any tip on how to check what is causing the problem?
[19:50] <diogenes_> nine_pt, try remove .Xauthority
[19:52] <nine_pt> diogenes_: ok ... one more logout login ...
[19:53] <diogenes_> and .ICEauthority
[19:59] <nine_pt> diogenes_: more ideas?
[20:00] <nine_pt> didn't work ...
[20:00] <diogenes_> rename .config
[20:00] <nine_pt> diogenes_: all .config ?
[20:01] <diogenes_> yes .config.bak
[20:01] <nine_pt> give me a sec
[20:02] <nine_pt> continue to fail ...
[20:02] <diogenes_> then continue renaming .folders to .folder.bak and re-log
[20:03] <diogenes_> that's a long trial and fail path
[20:03] <diogenes_> start with .cache
[20:04] <nine_pt> bahh ....
[20:09] <nine_pt> ok, so after looing into .xsession-erros, should have done this some time ago ... file .ICEauthority was with was with root permissions
[20:09] <nine_pt> diogenes_: thanks for the time and patient
[20:10] <diogenes_> nine_pt, you're welcome.
[20:28] <xubuntu26w> hi can i install the google chrome browser on xubuntu
[20:28] <diogenes_> of course
[20:37] <well_laid_lawn> !info chromium
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> hi can i install the google chrome browser on xubuntu
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> sorry I need the instructions - specific
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> thanks for your time
[20:45] <diogenes_> xubuntu26w, download this: https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html
[20:45] <xubuntu26w> you cant download, you have to use the terminal
[20:45] <diogenes_> rather this: https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
[20:46] <diogenes_> if you want to use in terminal then run: wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
[20:47] <xubuntu26w> ok, thank you!
[20:47] <diogenes_> after it's downloaded run: sudo apt install google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
[20:47] <diogenes_> and there you have it
[20:48] <diogenes_> or: sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
[20:49] <xubuntu26w> thanks
[20:49] <diogenes_> yw


[11:32] <WebbyIT> Hi popey :) Can I use some of your screenshot in a presentation of Ubuntu Touch?
[15:03] <Reinstra> Hi
[16:58] <rotomas> If i installed touch-coreapps on my laptop, is the source code for the qml projects also installed on my system?
[16:59] <nik90> rotomas: yes you also get the source code since the core apps *do not* require any compilations
[17:00] <rotomas> thanks nik90. where are they installed so i can open them in the sdk?
[17:03] <rotomas> ah found them in /usr/share. sorry for the noob questions
[17:06] <nik90> rotomas: no worries. You can also download them from launchpad and run it without any compilation or other complexities
[17:18] <rotomas> could you go over how to download from launchpad? is it through bzr?
[18:03] <Sympathix> Hello here
[20:57] <Vilsafur> Hello all
[22:13] <The_Matrix> Hello to whoever is listening. I have a question regarding qml and localstorage for the ubuntu sdk. I am writing an app, and I am having some trouble. My last resort is here.
[22:20] <The_Matrix> Hello to whoever is listening. I have a question regarding qml and localstorage for the ubuntu sdk. I am writing an app, and I am having some trouble. My last resort is here.
[22:35] <The_Matrix> can someone help me with qml
[22:36] <The_Matrix> I am using localstorage for my ubuntu app, and I have an issue that I need help resolving.
[22:41] <The_Matrix> Hello jono, do you know anything out qml localstorage. I am developing an app and am having some issues.
[22:41] <The_Matrix> *about
[22:42] <jono> The_Matrix, I don't sorry
[22:43] <jono> I recommend you post to Askubuntu or the G+ ubuntu app dev community
[22:43] <jono> sorry!
[22:43] <The_Matrix> Thanks anyways
[22:44] <The_Matrix> I think I will. I will see if I can solve it, search google, and worst comes to worse, I will go to the sites mentioned above
[22:44] <The_Matrix> btw, great release. The Ubuntu team has done an excellent job.
[22:45] <The_Matrix> Have a good evening:)