[12:44] <justxux> Hi, does anyone know about this bug in Ubuntu 16.04/Unity/64-bit , that causes applications to not appear right after they are installed, but after relog they appear? (Still can open them through terminal)
[20:36] <jhenke> Hi, anybody able to look at bug 1585928 for a SRU?
[21:26] <nacc> jhenke: you mean you need it nominated for the appropriate series? this is the right place to ask
[21:44] <jhenke> nacc if it is called like that, the bug was fixed in yakkety, I real would like it to be fixed in xenial too, I prepared the bug's description
[21:44] <jhenke> the diff is fairly trivial
[21:44] <jhenke> nacc I have asked several times the last days, sadly you are the first to answer here
[21:45] <nacc> jhenke: the sru page says clearly what is needed, have you prepared the debdiff? or do you need someone else to?
[21:46] <jhenke> I am not so much into this debdiff thing
[21:46] <jhenke> so the answer is no unfortunately, but it should be trivial and available from launchpad
[21:47] <nacc> jhenke: debdiffs aren't available? as they need changelog and proper attribution, etc. to go into the right series. someone still needs to do that work
[21:47] <jhenke> hmm I did not provide anything, but I mean the package's site should have it
[21:47] <nacc> jhenke: but in any case, the first step is getting it nominated to the 16.04 series, which you have attempted to by asking here. My only advice is to ask again until it happens
[21:48] <nacc> jhenke: not sure I follow. The debdiff in the bug is for yakkety. You need something similar for xenial (but it won't necessarily be identical)
[21:48] <jhenke> xenial has 0.33ubuntu3, the fixed version is 0.33ubuntu4
[21:48] <jhenke> well yaketty had the same version until the fix
[21:49] <jhenke> nacc thanks, so I am still looking for some deve to nominate it for 16.04
[22:19] <teward> jhenke: the 'package's site' means nothing - what nacc is talking about for changelog entries is that one has to be created for the Debian site, packaging updated if there's core changes, etc. to make a package SRU-able
[22:20] <teward> but someone will have to do that work
[22:20] <teward> not necessarily you, but...


[04:57] <nettolt> lool: are you around?
[04:58] <nettolt> so I wouldlike to install ubuntu on a zeus board I have that is currently running arcom embedded linux...but i so not know where to begin
[09:44] <lool> ogra: How is it going with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/391588 ?
[09:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 391588 in banshee "banshee fails to run on arm" [High,New]
[09:48] <ogra> lool, waiting on a kernel with proper audio support
[09:49] <ogra> i will open an upstream bug for it, but proper debugging that excludes codecs and audio devices as cause wont be possible before we have sound support on the desktop
[09:50] <lool> ogra: Does this prevent getting a nicer backtrace as attachment and cleaning up the whiteboard?   :)
[09:51] <ogra> no, thats what i will do for the upstream task anyway
[09:51] <ogra> hoping i can reproduce it on non babbage2 (which is already packed up)
[11:18] <lool> ogra: Around?
[11:18] <ogra> no, slim
[11:18] <ogra> :P
[11:19] <ogra> whats up ?
[11:19] <lool> ogra: I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ogra/+assignedbugs and thinking that perhaps we could clear some bugs here
[11:19] <lool> Probably you're not actively working on 338342 and it wont fix in Ubuntu?
[11:20] <lool> I'm not sure about usb imagewriter: are we keeping it?  Do you think you'll spend time on it?
[11:20] <ogra> yes, as an upstream project
[11:21] <ogra> but disregard it for work items
[11:21] <ogra> it always was supposed to be a fun project, never intended to be used like we do now
[11:23] <lool> ogra: I closed 334711
[11:23] <ogra> the redboot-tools one is covered by the spec (or the other way round, as you like)
[11:24] <ogra> thanks, i wasnt sure what to do with it ... and persia will likely complain
[11:24] <ogra> hmm, why does 391588 show up twice ?
[11:25] <lool> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.assignee=ogra is probably a better list
[11:25] <lool> ogra: probably ubuntu bug + ubuntu karmic bug task
[11:25] <ogra> 328167 can be closed ... i need to clearify it upstream though
[11:26] <lool> I wonder whether we should make sure it's really fixed and not just hidden; it seemed security sensitive
[11:26] <ogra> 26986 should be reassigned to the server team and will be obsolete with the new syslogging
[11:26] <ogra> well, the workaround is dropped, iÄll try to backport the package to jaunty without -01 and see what happens, then report upstream
[11:27] <ogra> i dont think i can do anything for 338342 ... we wont re-roll the images for jaunty
[11:27] <lool> You were assigned to the syslog bug in 2006...!
[11:28] <ogra> yes, and its unsolvable
[11:28] <ogra> i assigned myself btw ... rsyslogd will fix it
[11:29] <ogra> syslog does DNS lookups for every like it logs remotely by default ... thats by design
[11:29] <ogra> s/like/line/
[11:29] <lool> ogra: So update 338342 to match what you just said?
[11:29] <ogra> and close it wontfix ?
[11:29] <lool> I guess if we don't support ixp4xx anymore you have no other choice
[11:30] <ogra> hrm, why am i logged out
[11:30]  * ogra pokes LP
[11:30] <lool> ogra: You assigned yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/294403 in November; are you actively working on that?
[11:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 294403 in ltsp "LTSP error: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) " [Wishlist,Triaged]
[11:31] <ogra> i have a fix, just not the time to fiddle with upstream stuff
[11:31] <ogra> its really cosmetical
[11:32] <lool> Perhaps you can attach it and unassign yourself for now in case someone else picks it up
[11:32] <lool> You can alway assign yourself later on when you're working on it
[11:33] <ogra> i'D actually like to keep it on my list even if it takes another 6months until i have time for it
[11:33] <ogra> nobody else will work on it and if i'm not assigned i'll forget abou ti
[11:33] <ogra> *about it
[11:34] <lool> It sounds bad if you're keeping actions for 6 months +
[11:34] <ogra> its ltsp and its an upstream issue, why do you care ?
[11:34] <lool> I care that you and I have a good overview of what you're working on   :)
[11:35] <ogra> sure, just ignore ltsp then
[11:35] <lool> If you have a way to distinguish "actively working on that" from "target of opportunity for later", I'm happy to hear about it
[11:35] <ogra> i'm not working on it in my worktime apart from answering questions here and there
[11:36] <ogra> well, the prob is that LP cant distinguish between what i do upstream in spare time and what i do in worktime
[11:36] <lool> Ok; so bugs you're currently working on are getting the whiteboard updated on banshee and telling upstream that gnome-keyring is working in karmic but we don't know why; correct?
[11:36] <ogra> and that my projects all live on LP doesnt help
[11:37] <ogra> right
[11:37] <ogra> you said you had skeleton code for fconfig init ?
[11:38] <ogra> would you attach that to 348060 ?
[11:38] <ogra> i'll link the proof of concept redboot-install there too
[11:38] <lool> I had a Perl script which did that hackishly, then I started rearchitecting it when I understood what I wanted to do, but it probably doens't work anymore as a result; I'm happy to share it if you consider that it's basically in a bad state and you'd like to work on it
[11:39] <ogra> well, that and redboot-install are essentially the redboot-tools spec
[11:40] <ogra> erm, why did you unassign me from gnome-keyring ?
[11:41] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/fconfig.pl is how it looks like ATM
[11:41] <lool> ogra: I only unassigned you from the jaunty task which I closed, not from the karmic one
[11:42] <ogra> heh, FF cant show .pl
[11:42] <lool> You can vi it
[11:42] <ogra> indeed
[11:42] <ogra> i downloaded it ...
[11:43] <lool> The two things which kind of discouraged me is when I realized I didn't really want to allow people setting the type of vars or adding new vars to a fconfig
[11:43] <ogra> i just didnt know .pl was mime assigned on the server instead of being shown
[11:43] <lool> What I wanted instead is a list of vars/types for a supported platform (board) and all relevant constants for that platform (such as defaults and FIS offset etc.)
[11:43] <ogra> right, that should be under our control and hardcoded
[11:44] <lool> The other thing which discouraged me is when I realized people were interested in a C version more than in a Perl one
[11:44] <lool> Because perl is too large to fit in an embedded platform
[11:44]  * ogra doesnt care how it looks in the package
[11:44] <lool> So it didn't make sense to do it as cleanly as I thought for many platforms to then have it useless for some people
[11:44] <ogra> and we dont support any embedded platforms anymore ... at least none that are to small for perl
[11:45] <lool> I'm personally happy with what we have
[11:45] <ogra> even an iphone or palm pre is powerful enough
[11:45] <ogra> me too
[11:45] <lool> Ideally, we'd really build fconfig.bin as part of the redboot build though
[11:45] <lool> As we just have a fconfig.bin from an old RB, not what we build, and not for all boards
[11:45] <ogra> with vars pulled out of redboot, right
[11:46] <lool> With respect to fconfig.c, I thought it wasn't flexible enough and indeed it wasn't for some things, but not as much as I initially criticized; a couple of patches should bring it to shape
[11:48] <ogra> right and we could pull the init stuff out of the perl script, dump it into the redboot source package and create the blob
[11:48] <ogra> so the c source doesnt need to grow an init
[11:49] <ogra> we still dont have a bzr tree for redboot-tools, right ?
[11:49]  * ogra adds that to his TODO for the spec
[11:50] <lool> We don't have a bzr tree for redboot-tools; however note that these are assembled from two upstreams using SVN
[11:55]  * ogra sighs, indeed i need to urgently print some stuff for fedex and none of my printers work
[11:56]  * ogra curses cups
[11:56] <ogra> hasnt worked for me in years
[11:59] <ogra> ARGL
[23:18] <Pantcho> hello, i have a small ARM mini laptop with WinCE in the main flash HD. i written the .img file to a USB stick and i want to boot from it. when the laptop loads it automaticly runs WinCE. i tried to get to a kind of "boot" menu in the start screen pressed "esc","f2","f1","del" nothing happens and it bam runs WinCE. any suggestions?
[23:21] <Pantcho> ohhh the dispairrr
[23:24] <ogra> thats usually not how arm systms work
[23:24] <ogra> you need an image thats specifically built for the board in your laptop
[23:25] <Pantcho> so trying to install ubuntu wont work well?
[23:25] <ogra> depends
[23:26] <ogra> if you dont have a board we built the image for yu will have to build a rootfs from scratch
[23:26] <ogra> (as described in the topic)
[23:26] <ogra> and need to know how your bootloader works ... and need to build a kernel yourself
[23:26] <Pantcho> sounds way over my league
[23:27] <ogra> the only prebuilt desktop image we have atm is for the freescale imx51 CPU
[23:28] <ogra> (i doubt you have such a laptop, though if you do you should be able to boot the image from SD card )
[23:28] <Pantcho> thats not ARM or.. ? whats going on here
[23:28] <ogra> imx51 is an ARMv7 CPU
[23:29] <Pantcho> thanks for your help
[23:29] <Pantcho> i will give this up
[23:30] <ogra> we also support the ixp4xx CPU which is used in the NSLU2 device in jaunty (9.04) and an ARMv5 as well as versatile ARMv5 for the qemu emulator
[23:30] <Pantcho> i have ARMv5
[23:31] <ogra> well, if you find a kernel and know how your bootloader works it should be possible to run ubuntu on it, but it will be a bit of work and learning required
[23:31] <ogra> its sadly like that with ARM hardware by design
[23:32] <ogra> you dont have something standardized like a BIOS
[23:32] <Pantcho> sorry i have "AKARM,ARM920-AKCHIP"
[23:32] <Pantcho> :/
[23:32] <Pantcho> i get what you are saying
[23:35] <ogra> looks like you have an Anyka
[23:35] <ogra> AK780x ?
[23:36] <Pantcho> i don't know actually. the model name is not mentioned.
[23:36] <Pantcho> all i know when it boots it says "http://zenithink.com"
[23:36] <ogra> yeah, thats the one
[23:36] <Pantcho> in order to know i guess i will have to open it with screwdriver
[23:36] <ogra> it has only 64M
[23:36] <Pantcho> yes yes
[23:37] <Pantcho> wow i can't beleive you know the model hehe
[23:37] <ogra> wouldnt be much fun with ubuntu
[23:37] <Pantcho> thanks
[23:37] <ogra> i know google :)
[23:37] <Pantcho> so ubuntu wont run on it good you say
[23:37] <ogra> you might have more luck trying to get android on it
[23:37] <Pantcho> any other good linux distro that can run on it with out playing with kernal stuff which i have no clue about?
[23:38] <ogra> well, 64M isnt much
[23:38] <Pantcho> the WinCE lets you use the flash devices ram
[23:38] <ogra> you indeed can run ubuntu in 64M but it would unlikely look like an ubuntu desktop does
[23:38] <ogra> flash is slow
[23:38] <Pantcho> so when i add a USB stick it can get more ram
[23:38] <ogra> no, you get more swapspace ...
[23:39] <Pantcho> true..
[23:39] <ogra> a normal ubuntu desktop needs about 256M
[23:39] <Pantcho> so u nkow any other distros?
[23:39] <Pantcho> that might work ok? i just need open office and a browser that supports hebrew fonts
[23:40] <ogra> well, i'd recommend android but thats for mobile phones ... you could also check if a build of angstrom exists for that cpu
[23:40] <Pantcho> my main problem is that wince dont support hebrew
[23:41] <ogra> well, i cant help much with CE ...
[23:42] <Pantcho> ;)
[23:42] <Pantcho> thanks for the info tough
[23:43] <ogra> hmm, the sites that talk about the device say there was a version shipped with linux
[23:43] <Pantcho> which site?
[23:44] <ogra> you should probably mail http://zenithink.com and ask if they offer a linux version
[23:44] <Pantcho> will do that
[23:44] <ogra> http://www.rothberger.net/pages/reviews/ps_firstview701.shtml its german, nit sure it hels you
[23:44] <ogra> *helps
[23:45] <ogra> ah, there is a translation link at the bottom :)
[23:45] <ogra> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.rothberger.net/pages/reviews/ps_firstview701.shtml&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[23:49] <Pantcho> hehe done that already :)
[23:58] <Pantcho> good night!


[19:47] <jbailey> Anyone remember why we dropped ia32-libs-dev on amd64?
[19:47] <jbailey> AFAICT, the package is still there to make ia64 happy.


[00:23] <Trevinho> kenvandine: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2965 is fine now, if you want to test, feel free :)
[05:22] <didrocks> good morning
[05:33] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[05:39] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:00] <seb128> wtf, I'm building cairo from src and can't preload/ld_library_path load it
[06:00] <seb128> $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./src/.libs /usr/bin/evince
[06:00] <seb128>  /usr/bin/evince: error while loading shared libraries: libcairo.so.2: failed to map segment from shared object
[06:01] <seb128> $ file src/.libs/libcairo.so.2.11509.0
[06:01] <seb128> src/.libs/libcairo.so.2.11509.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=32843f2d9e71e3d100c17563055418cae80c34c0, with debug_info, not stripped
[06:01] <jibel> good morning
[06:01] <seb128> lut jibel
[06:01] <jibel> salut seb128
[06:01] <seb128> shrug; fck
[06:01] <seb128> of course it's apparmor
[06:06] <seb128> quite confusing, why didn't I think about that yesterday evening
[06:06] <seb128> I poked around for 15 minutes on google and decided to restart a new build fresh this morning
[06:08] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:08] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, joyeux vendredi !
[06:08] <seb128> didrocks, jibel, à vous aussi ;-)
[06:10] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, didrocks, jibel
[06:12] <didrocks> salut jibel & oSoMoN
[06:43] <flexiondotorg> Bonjour desktopers
[06:43] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[06:52] <oSoMoN> bonjour flexiondotorg
[08:03] <willcooke> morning!
[08:03] <didrocks> good morning willcooke! Feeling better today?
[08:04] <oSoMoN> morning willcooke!
[08:05] <Laney> ahoy
[08:05] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:06] <Laney> can't resolve DNS for my server this morning
[08:06] <Laney> WEIRD
[08:06] <Laney> hi didrocks, happy friday!
[08:06] <didrocks> happy Friday and network debugging Laney :)
[08:07] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah better.  Still coughing, so the people on the plane will be happy with me :)
[08:08] <didrocks> that's the only reason I'm travelling via Paris and not London, to avoid you :)
[08:09] <didrocks> (ok, maybe the fact that there is no reason for me to travel for 6h to go to London plays a little bit as well…) ;)
[08:09] <willcooke> ha
[08:14] <jamesh> About 14 hours until my first flight
[08:14] <willcooke> safe travels jamesh
[08:15] <willcooke> duflu and tkamppeter are probably there already
[08:15] <jamesh> It'll be one long Saturday for me
[08:16] <willcooke> I looked at the bus thing as advised by the hotel, it takes > 1hr to get from the airport to the hotel.  vs taxi @ 30 mins
[08:17] <willcooke> Seems that the transfer time is inversely proportional to the number of timss they say "fast" on their web site
[08:21] <didrocks> yeah, need to find people arriving at the same time though
[08:22] <willcooke> yeah
[08:25] <didrocks> ah, I thought andyrock is, but not the same airport apparently :p
[08:27] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, happy friday
[08:27] <willcooke> hi seb128!
[08:31]  * Laney nods seb128
[08:32] <Laney> what happen
[08:32] <jamesh> I think I'll just take the Airporter: I can deal with paying now, and it's not like I'll be doing anything for the rest of the night
[08:32] <sil2100> Someone set us up the bomb
[08:32] <sil2100> All your base are belong to us
[08:33] <Laney> should probably tell ubuntukylin their ISOs don't build
[08:33] <seb128> Laney, it's rainy friday and I'm still dealing with a stack of GNOME segfaults :-/
[08:33] <Laney> ah
[08:33] <seb128> totem, evince, cairo, nautilus
[08:33] <Laney> those are the fun ones to fix!
[08:34] <seb128> fun
[08:34] <seb128> indeed
[08:34] <Laney> well
[08:34] <Laney> at least you get a trace most of the time :P
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, you should perhaps upload your n-m fixes even if they have not been reviewed? otherwise we might have g-c-c quite not usable for beta :-/
[08:34] <seb128> right, I'm able to reproduce most of those issues
[08:34] <seb128> which is good
[08:34] <seb128> oh, I forgot gvfsd-mtp and gst-vaapi :p
[08:35] <Laney> vaapi eh
[08:35] <seb128> yeah...
[08:35] <seb128> I've been good responses from upstream on most issues which is nice
[08:35] <seb128> I wish that was the case for our current gnome-shell bugs as well :-/
[08:37] <seb128> that starts getting me concerned for the release
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, ah, you didn't reply to my question about n-m patches before beta earlier, but looks like you are getting a review so we might be able to cherrypick some commited changes :-)
[09:26] <Laney> laney@artful (ubuntu|…)> git pull                                        ~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gstreamer/gst-plugins-bad1.0
[09:26] <Laney> Already up-to-date.
[09:26] <Laney> laney@artful (ubuntu|…)> head -1 debian/changelog                        ~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gstreamer/gst-plugins-bad1.0
[09:26] <Laney> gst-plugins-bad1.0 (1.12.2-1ubuntu1) artful; urgency=medium
[09:26] <Laney> laney@artful (ubuntu|…)> rmadison -sartful -asource gst-plugins-bad1.0   ~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gstreamer/gst-plugins-bad1.0 gst-plugins-bad1.0 | 1.12.2-1ubuntu3 | artful/universe | source
[09:26] <Laney> HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
[09:26] <Laney> seb128: yeah I pinged upstream, sry for not replying to you
[09:26] <seb128> no worry
[09:26] <seb128> thx
[09:26] <seb128> ah, people who don't commit to the packaging vcs..
[09:27] <seb128> doh, one being me it seems :-/
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, sorry about that, I sponsored for duflu but overlooked that there was a vcs
[09:27] <Laney> nm
[09:27] <seb128> I though we didn't have one for gst
[09:27] <Laney> nobody else uses it either
[09:27] <seb128> I should know better and check
[09:27] <Laney> except a_beato when he was working on touch patches
[09:27] <Laney> ♥
[09:28] <seb128> :-)
[09:28] <didrocks> we should fix our vcs workflow anyway while we are in NY
[09:28]  * didrocks is a little bit tired of debian/ only branches when working on patches
[09:28] <didrocks> I guess evaluating and taking the ubuntu one in the wiki
[09:30] <Laney> I think there's some rbasak/nacc talks/sessions about git-ubuntu
[09:30]  * Laney would be ok with using that
[09:30] <didrocks> yep
[09:30] <didrocks> at ubuntucon
[09:30] <Laney> ...next week...
[09:30] <didrocks> need to watch it anyway
[09:30] <Laney> nod
[09:31]  * willcooke adds didrocks to the meeting
[09:32] <Laney> don't think that is a workshop on how to use it as a user if that's what you are expecting
[09:32] <seb128> there is a meeting to discuss git usage
[09:32] <seb128> what Laney said
[09:33] <didrocks> willcooke: there is a meeting planned for that?
[09:33]  * didrocks probably lost the tab of meetings :p
[09:33] <didrocks> etoomanytabs
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, I got an invite this morning for one, I think that's what will was referring to when he said he was adding you
[09:35] <didrocks> ah ok ;)
[09:36] <willcooke> what he said
[09:36] <didrocks> got it now, thanks!
[09:37] <seb128> on that note lunch time, bbl
[11:40] <Laney> oh aptly
[11:40] <Laney> if only you didn't take eleventy squillion years to publish you'd be so great
[11:40] <Laney> actually, you're still great, but that would make you better
[11:55] <seb128> Laney, who were you asking for what they think (and about what?) on bug #1713712
[11:55] <Laney> whoever wants to push for the change
[11:55] <Laney> what is what to do about it not being reviewed and being beta soon and close to the release
[11:55] <seb128> Laney, I would +1 to land the changes in artful now/on sunday|monday (before beta), I've been using them without issues for some days and the code got some first reviews
[11:56] <Laney> write that on the bug please
[11:56] <seb128> k
[11:56] <seb128> done
[11:57] <seb128> Laney, I don't understand how people can work with GNOME without any indication of "events"
[11:57] <seb128> like incoming emails and such
[11:58] <seb128> but that's my workflow and I guess others are differents
[11:58] <seb128> so it might not be as important to get that I personally think :-)
[12:03] <Laney> the feature is an okay ide
[12:03] <Laney> a
[12:03] <Laney> I'm more concerned from the release team side about increasing the potential bug surface
[12:07] <seb128> right, tricky choice
[12:07] <seb128> stability vs usability
[12:16] <jbicha> didrocks: if you're talking about vcs for GNOME packages, Debian is "almost" ready to switch from svn to git, talk to Laney about that
[12:18] <jbicha> and it's easy to have extra branches for Ubuntu series' and the git repos will include the source (it's not just debian/ only)
[12:19] <seb128> jbicha, at the same time it seems some people are working on an equivalent to udd with git for ubuntu, like all sources with a standard workflow on launchpad
[12:19] <seb128> which is compelling as well
[12:22] <jbicha> for packages where we are in sync or nearly so, I think working in Debian git is better; for stuff like gnome-shell maybe the new Ubuntu git repo is better?
[12:26] <seb128> yeah, let's see in practice what the workflows are etc
[12:55] <andyrock> seb128: the fix  for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1696621  has been merged upstream
[12:55] <andyrock> we might need to use a debian patch for this
[12:56] <andyrock> what do you think?
[12:56] <seb128> andyrock, great, thanks
[12:56] <andyrock> quilt right?
[12:57] <seb128> andyrock, we should probably either backport it or snapshot git a bit latter
[12:57] <seb128> depending of the number of changes we would like to backport
[12:58] <seb128> we are probably going to get .1 before release but we want the fixes before beta for important/visible issues
[12:58] <seb128> jbicha, ^ opinion?
[13:04] <jbicha> seb128: either way is fine
[13:04] <jbicha> since gnome-shell uses meson, making a new tarball goes something like: meson builddir; ninja -C builddir dist
[13:05] <jbicha> and the tarball will be in builddir/meson-dist/
[13:12] <didrocks> andyrock: as sugessted on the bug report, I feel that we should try another color for the emblem. It's in the css, great, but let's put a good color by default so that we don't need to have to tweak it back again
[13:13] <andyrock> what color do you suggest?
[13:13] <andyrock> didrocks: ^^^
[13:14] <didrocks> andyrock: grey for the middle part? (maybe the same orange grey than the one we have in the theme)
[13:14] <didrocks> andyrock: if you have the outline, it can be orange, to match alt-tab for instance or button selections
[13:15] <didrocks> andyrock: look at the very bottom of /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/ubuntu.css, I have a made a table of the main colors we use for our theme
[13:15] <andyrock> kk
[13:15]  * didrocks sees a typo in his css file btw "elemnents"
[13:16] <didrocks> pushed in bzr
[13:17] <seb128> didrocks, andyrock, is that about the launcher emblems?
[13:17] <andyrock> yep
[13:17] <didrocks> yes
[13:18] <seb128> k
[13:18] <seb128> the current look wfm but I'm not picky
[13:18] <andyrock> didrocks: #dd4814 ?
[13:19] <andyrock> I like the red
[13:19] <didrocks> andyrock: try first #e95420 which is the official orange
[13:20] <andyrock> in unity7 we don't use the orange but as you prefer
[13:20] <didrocks> we do use a grey, correct?
[13:20] <didrocks> this is why I suggested grey
[13:20] <didrocks> we don't use red in unity7 IIRC ;)
[13:21] <mdeslaur> jbicha: what's up with shotwell?
[13:21] <andyrock> well red is used in all the other major OSes
[13:22] <andyrock> (or OSs? :D )
[13:22] <seb128> mdeslaur, you mean? bug? segfault? update stucked in proposed?
[13:22] <andyrock> i'll update thr branch with  #e95420
[13:22] <didrocks> it's not in anything we have in our theme
[13:22] <jbicha> mdeslaur: failed autopkgtest triggered by a patch applied in Debian, someone with a camera can try to re-record the umockdev test https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781802
[13:22] <didrocks> andyrock: well, try it first, not sure if #e95420 isn't too late
[13:22] <andyrock> do you want a border as well?
[13:22] <didrocks> or if you don't want, we can do it while uploading :)
[13:22] <didrocks> andyrock: I guess it's just a question of try and see
[13:23] <didrocks> there is a darker orange we picked for border, worth a try (in the css)
[13:23] <didrocks> the color has been scientifically picked by popey and I :p
[13:23] <didrocks> (don't ask)
[13:23] <popey> uhoh
[13:23] <didrocks> (no, there was no beer involved)
[13:24] <didrocks> (yet)
[13:24] <popey> [FACT]
[13:24] <mdeslaur> seb128, jbicha: so can someone kill the failing test so it gets migrated? we need it for a security fix...
[13:24] <seb128> mdeslaur, yes, I was thinking the same on my way back from lunch
[13:25] <mdeslaur> ok, thanks
[13:25] <seb128> or maybe somebody should ask pitti if he has a slot to update that record, he did the previous one iirc so he knows how to do that and has the hardware
[13:25] <pitti> not today any more, sorry; meeting now and then an appointment; please assign a bug to me
[13:26] <jbicha> mdeslaur: is the security issue already fixed in artful-proposed?
[13:26] <mdeslaur> jbicha: it's fixed in the version in -proposed yes
[13:26] <andyrock> didrocks: looks fine
[13:26] <seb128> pitti, it's https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781802 , do you want to maybe have a look next week? I don't want to annoy you too much
[13:27] <didrocks> andyrock: nice! :)
[13:27] <andyrock> pushing
[13:27] <pitti> seb128: oh, is that test upstream now
[13:27] <andyrock> pushed
[13:27] <pitti> ok, keeping the tab open
[13:28] <jbicha> pitti: no but Ubuntu needs the autopkgtest to pass or the test ignored
[13:28] <pitti> jbicha: right, I was asking why it's on gnome bz instead of lp
[13:28]  * andyrock is trying to find a nice and easy animation for the urgent state
[13:28] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:28] <jbicha> pitti: I filed it on GNOME because it looked like a regression. Turns out the regression(?) was from a patch Debian grabbed from bugzilla that wasn't applied in git
[13:30] <jbicha> one workaround is to just drop the ios8 patch but that didn't seem quite right either…
[13:31] <seb128> that patch didn't go upstream? do you know why?
[13:32] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742295
[13:33] <jbicha> the patch author described it as a "TERRIBLE hack"
[13:34] <seb128> jbicha, mdeslaur, removing the patch or commenting the test either workaround is fine with me
[13:35] <jbicha> pitti: I can comment out the autopkgtest and if you update the umockdev we can re-enable it later?
[13:36] <pitti> jbicha: sounds fine
[13:36] <pitti> not worth blocking a security fix
[13:36] <jbicha> ok, thanks
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, how are you btw? any fun plans for this w.e while most of us here are going to be stucked in planes to the ubuntu rally from next week?
[13:37] <jbicha> it'll be nice to finally have a shotwell that's not a really old git snapshot :)
[13:37] <seb128> yeah
[13:37] <seb128> I hope the new one isn't too buggy
[13:37] <seb128> we didn't test it much
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: we want to do a bike tour, after several weeks of grey and cold it's finally sunny again
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: and of course, make a cross on a piece of paper on Sunday :)
[13:38] <Laney> [ x ] Pedro
[13:39] <pitti> Laney: whoever that is, I don't think he'll be on my ballot :)
[13:39] <seb128> elections time?
[13:39] <Laney> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kHL5iQJLvNU/maxresdefault.jpg
[13:39] <pitti> seb128: yep; I'm surprised it isn't a big thing in the French media - the French election for sure was here
[13:40] <didrocks> pitti: oh it is in the French media, but people would have to live in France to realize :)
[13:40] <pitti> well, it's actually fairly boring
[13:40] <seb128> pitti, it might be, my weeks have just been crazy recently and I didn't have much time to keep up with what is happening
[13:40] <didrocks> (that and the dismantlement of the Front Nationale are the 2 top news) ;)
[13:40] <pitti> the polls have Merkel so far in the  lead that there will hardly be any surprises
[13:40] <seb128> oh, friday troll time :p
[13:41] <pitti> (le sigh -- times when the economy is running well-oiled is a really bad time for progressive politics, unfortunately)
[13:41] <pitti> anyway, I'll add my 0.000001% to the Greens :)
[13:42] <didrocks> well, even when it's not running well-oiled, like in France, it's a bad time for progressive politics
[13:42] <pitti> but, but, as I said, appointment now, so have a good weekend and save travels!
[13:42] <didrocks> thanks, enjoy your week-end pitti!
[13:42] <pitti> where are you guys going?
[13:42] <didrocks> New Yorkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[13:42] <pitti> somewhere US, I take it, for logn travel time
[13:42] <pitti> oh, ncie!
[13:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti, we'll take Merkel - you can have Theresa May ;)
[13:42] <pitti> I had expected it to be too expensive for an Ubuntu sprint
[13:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hmmmmmmmno :)
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:43] <didrocks> we would as well, especially Manhantan, but surprise surprise :)
[13:43] <pitti> great, enjoy! make some photos
[13:43] <didrocks> will do and +you on g+ ;)
[13:44] <seb128> pitti, have fun! :-)
[13:44] <pitti> didrocks: I read your blurbs anyway :)
[13:44]  * pitti waves
[13:45] <didrocks> bye bye ;)
[13:47] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey can you take a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958 ?
[13:48] <didrocks> Trevinho: I think I can test it and bindly trust you :)
[13:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: there's a bileto for it
[13:48] <didrocks> Trevinho: we 2 other theme changes to do with seb128 next week, maybe we can try embeed that together?
[13:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2965
[13:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, but since it's ready, I would even publish it... as you wish
[13:49] <Trevinho> releasing themes is less annoying that build stuff
[13:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: let me have a quick test/look
[13:49] <Laney> :not-fest!
[13:50] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, as you like :-P
[13:50] <Trevinho> Laney: i might have avoidded the :nots, but it would hav ecaused many repeated definitions... Which... I don't like
[13:50] <Trevinho> Laney: also three's no othre way to pick a child that is not first or last
[13:51] <Trevinho> wel you can add definition for generic and then override, but still
[13:51] <Laney> right
[13:51] <seb128> nice, with the fctix->ibus changes qt4 dropped from the iso
[13:51]  * Laney likes that way
[13:51] <Trevinho> I had some issues I don't remember...
[13:52] <Trevinho> ah, yeah... I had to put everywhere magic numbers, instead of few less times.. but maybe i had to..
[13:52] <Trevinho> .Can't remember
[13:52] <Laney> Trevinho: did you see that bug about the minimum titlebar height?
[13:52] <Trevinho> Laney: nope... I had some work stashed in that regards though
[13:52] <Trevinho> let me see
[13:52] <seb128> and the iso is 70M lighter
[13:53] <Laney> Trevinho: gnome-control-center -> printers -> click the cog on a printer -> printer details
[13:53] <didrocks> nice!
[13:53] <didrocks> well, speaking of g-c-c, the 2 separations headers aren't aligne in our theme
[13:53] <didrocks> the headerbar one and the panel list one
[13:53] <seb128> Laney, that's a theme bug?
[13:54] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, that's https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784562 and the same is happening with upstream high contrast
[13:54] <Laney> I think it's a missing minimum height on titlebars
[13:54] <Trevinho> Laney: oh, cool feature :)
[13:57] <jbicha> I think qt5 is on the iso becuase of ibus-mozc R> mozc-utils-gui
[13:57] <Trevinho> Laney: yeeah, that fixes it... let me quickly get a fix
[13:57] <Trevinho> do we have a downstream bug
[13:57] <Trevinho> ?
[13:59] <seb128> jbicha, it was already on the iso before today so it's not that change pulling it in
[13:59] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, the theme fix is fine to me, but it seems you want to land other stuffs as well?
[14:04] <jbicha> seb128: yes, it was fcitx-mozc R> mozc-utils-gui before
[14:05] <seb128> k
[14:05] <seb128> no change/nothing we can easily fix there right?
[14:05] <Laney> Trevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/1712011
[14:06] <seb128> Laney, that's the same bug as the bugzilla I was sharing 10 min ago
[14:06] <Laney> I know
[14:06] <seb128> k
[14:06] <Laney> he asked for a downstream bug
[14:06] <Laney> so that's what I gave
[14:06] <seb128> the downstream reference is in the bugzilla
[14:06] <seb128> Trevinho, stop being lazy and read :p
[14:06] <jbicha> find someone that uses mozc and ask them how important that app is and whether it can be handled in gnome-c-c instead?
[14:06] <seb128> jbicha, I don't even know what mozc is and does
[14:07] <jbicha> Japanese I believe
[14:07] <seb128> Trevinho, so it's a theme issue? upstream high contrast has the same issue then should the bugzilla be reassigned?
[14:07] <seb128> Laney, ^
[14:08] <Trevinho> seb128: :-D I gave a vertical read, then I moved to fix the code instead, so committed locally now :)
[14:08] <seb128> nice
[14:08] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, theme issue... our selectors were more restrictive than Adwaita ones
[14:08] <seb128> so the upstream high contrast theme has the same issue?
[14:08] <seb128> can you comment on the bz bug to say so?
[14:09] <seb128> so upstream doesn't have to re-figure out the same thing as you did
[14:11] <Trevinho> yep
[14:11] <seb128> thanks
[14:12]  * didrocks will let Trevinho reorganize his bilbeto then (as I didn't get an answer)
[14:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: sorry, yeah... let me land this fix at this point
[14:13] <Trevinho> sorry I missed the pings, I was in grep-focus mode :D
[14:13] <didrocks> and I was grepped out
[14:13] <didrocks> I see! :)
[14:13] <Trevinho> lol
[14:13] <didrocks> Trevinho: did you see my message about g-c-c and top settings bar?
[14:13] <Trevinho> grep -v didrocks
[14:14] <Trevinho> Oh, -v isn't for verbose... :-P
[14:14] <didrocks> tsssss
[14:14] <Trevinho> didrocks: g-c-c .. oh, let me see
[14:15] <didrocks> Trevinho: it's quite easy to see -> headbar, line isn't aligned
[14:15] <didrocks> doesn't happen on adwaita
[14:15]  * Trevinho goes with GDK_SCALE=2
[14:16] <didrocks> also, we have 2 lines
[14:16] <didrocks> where adwaita has only one
[14:16] <Trevinho> oh, wait I've still the buttons in the left..
[14:16] <didrocks> :p
[14:16]  * Trevinho really wanted to keep them there -_-
[14:18]  * Trevinho goes back to the ugly side... and sees the issue
[14:19] <Laney> you mac lover
[14:19] <Trevinho> but later, let me first fix the other one
[14:19] <Trevinho> NO!
[14:19] <Trevinho> But, i got used to them now, and... after years, you know.. you get older with such setup...
[14:20] <didrocks> Trevinho is indeed so old :p
[14:20] <Trevinho> eh, after I turned 30 I feel not as flexible I used to be :-D
[14:30] <Trevinho> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/fix-dialog-headerbar-min-height/+merge/331197
[14:32] <seb128> Laney, you mentioned gst-plugin-b earlier, are you working on a bug there or updating it? (just asking before debugging that segfault with videos under wayland more)
[14:33] <Laney> updating
[14:33] <Laney> going to upload it in a few minutes
[14:34] <Laney> or you can get it from deb https://swift.canonistack.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_e8074875467b46b7ab3c41ac60ccfbe7/ubuntu artful main now
[14:34] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:34] <Laney> amd64 only :-)
[14:34] <seb128> I'm on amd64 on artful
[14:34] <seb128> only my xenial install is still 32b
[14:34] <seb128> that url is 401, but I can wait for the upload
[14:35]  * Laney puts this in the newsletter
[14:35] <Laney> no
[14:35] <Laney> add that line to your sources.list
[14:35] <jbicha> seb128: you're bleeding edge now! ;)
[14:36] <seb128> Laney, too late to include an extra patch?
[14:36] <Laney> to bad?
[14:36] <Laney> is it upstream?
[14:36] <Laney> no, I'll push and you can add it
[14:36] <seb128> Laney, https://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-bad/commit/?id=3f2a3d0d
[14:37] <seb128> I think it's the segfault that takes shotwell down
[14:37] <seb128> or crash nautilus when you open a video properties and close it
[14:37] <seb128> it looks like they didn't backport to 1.12
[14:37] <Laney> done
[14:37] <Laney> you can probably ask for that in #gstreamer
[14:38] <seb128> Laney, "done" mean you pushed to a git vcs somewhere?
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, would you be angry if I just patch/dput today and figure out the vcs thing next week?
[14:40] <seb128> I don't think I've the slot before my eow to figure out how to deal with that git vcs and git buildpackage or whatever is needed
[14:41] <seb128> or I guess that can wait for monday
[14:41] <seb128> jibel, ^ btw that's the shotwell/nautilus segfault on video issue you are having under wayland
[14:41] <seb128> it's pulled in with vaapi
[14:42] <seb128> so not on the default installation unless you click that installer box
[14:42] <Laney> I guess I can include it for you
[14:42] <Laney> might be a good learning opportunity but if you have no time that's fine
[14:43] <seb128> thanks, as you want
[14:43] <seb128> I guess it can wait monday as well
[14:43] <seb128> I sort of know how to deal with git, I just always end up screwed something and taking half an hour to sort it out
[14:43] <seb128> so probably not for today
[14:44] <seb128> well git itself is fine now, I just don't know how to use gbp or cherry pick upstream commits to a debian style workflow
[14:49] <jibel> seb128, okay, thanks. Let me know if I can help testing the fix
[14:50] <seb128> should be good, I can confirm the issue, I think we just need to cherrypick the patch I was talking about
[14:55] <Trevinho> seb128: sent fix also upstream...
[14:55] <Trevinho> didrocks: you want to check that too? Not sure bileto completed :)
[14:56]  * Trevinho takes 10-minutes pool-swim break at the pool
[14:56] <Laney> haha
[14:57] <didrocks> Trevinho: not completed and going off in 30 minutes for dentist appointment
[14:57] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah, ok... no worries
[14:57] <didrocks> enjoy swimming :)
[14:58] <Trevinho> didrocks: well, you can still apply locally, beauuty of css
[14:58] <Laney> Trevinho: bug should be reassigned to gtk, yes?
[14:58] <Trevinho> Laney: yep
[14:58]  * Trevinho does that
[14:58] <Laney> hinting at you :P
[14:59] <Laney> Trevinho: also not sure what happened on gnome bug #760651 but it doesn't look right
[15:00] <Trevinho> Laney: git bz didn't undestand well
[15:00] <Laney> is it actually pushed?
[15:00] <Laney> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/ doesn't have it
[15:00] <Laney> seems the URL changed
[15:01] <Trevinho> Laney: yes, it's fixed in mutter
[15:02] <Laney> aha
[15:02] <Trevinho> https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/commit/?id=8532b102909e09e1e0fdbd7f2701a7c40de1af5f
[15:02] <Trevinho> let me post this
[15:02] <Laney> yeah I see it, thanks!
[15:02] <Trevinho> I wanted before, it was an open tab.. forgot to finish
[15:04] <jackpot51> Has anyone experienced HiDPI issues in X11, such as this? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788049
[15:06] <didrocks> I guess Trevinho is the HiDPI expert here ^
[15:06] <jackpot51> These issues are present in the installer as well, so even users with Wayland-capable computers will experience them
[15:07] <didrocks> sure, as we forced the installer in an X session
[15:19] <seb128> jbicha, btw did you see my suggestion about dropping euronews and guardian from grilo-plugins
[15:19] <seb128> ?
[15:20] <seb128> I don't think you replied (or I didn't read the reply)
[15:23] <seb128> that was some days ago
[15:30] <Trevinho> jackpot51: I think Jonas (who did those changes) is aware of them, we'll keep in touch next week for fixing them I guess
[15:33] <Trevinho> Laney: if you can approve also https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958 I'll do the landing
[15:33] <jackpot51> Trevinho: Where can I speak to Jonas?
[15:33] <Trevinho> jackpot51: #gnome-shell on gimpnet
[15:34] <Trevinho> jackpot51: jadahl the nickname, but he's in Taiwan, so consider that
[15:34] <Laney> Trevinho: mmm, maybe c-lobrano wants to review?
[15:34]  * Laney isn't very "in" the theme atm
[15:34] <seb128> Trevinho, he's off for the week, maybe already travelling
[15:34] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, right... He told me that he would arrive in NY tomorrow, so definetely he is
[15:35] <Trevinho> Laney: i asked him but he said something like he would more learn from that :)
[15:35] <Laney> heh
[15:35] <Laney> ok, then can you include a before/after screenshot please? :-)
[15:36] <c-lobrano> Laney, Trevinho: I confirm :D
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, thanks for including that gst patch!
[15:36] <Laney> np
[16:03] <Laney> meh, why are vcs never up to date in ubuntu :(
[16:03] <Laney> xnox: do you have commits for your NM uploads?
[16:06] <Trevinho> ouch, I should probably refactor the headerbar code again (as per didier comment on separator)
[16:07] <Trevinho> also HighContrast has other issues too, though
[16:10] <mhall119> kenvandine[m][m]: willcooke: is the Unity->GNOME migration documentation somewhere public? I don't see anything other than the outline on the GNOME wiki
[16:14] <kenvandine> mhall119, all i've gotten done is what's on the wiki
[16:14] <kenvandine> planning to work on it while traveling though
[16:15] <kenvandine> this weekend
[16:16] <mhall119> kenvandine: ack, thanks. Let me know if the rest of us can help. I'm going to work on the banner for the gnome website for that
[16:16] <kenvandine> mhall119, thx
[16:59] <dobey> uhm
[16:59] <dobey> hey all
[17:00] <dobey> so, what would make "org.freedesktop.secrets" dbus service provided by gnome-keyring-daemon fail to work?
[17:23] <dobey> apparently dbus-user-session got installed somehow, and it breaks everything
[17:30]  * oSoMoN EOD
[17:30] <oSoMoN> desktoppers, see you on Sunday on the other side of the pond
[17:30] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, see ya' soon!
[17:30] <Trevinho> see you soon
[17:31] <oSoMoN> and safe travel to everyone
[17:43] <jjjoooeee> hi there.  haven't seen any activity on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1714542, but it seems pretty bad.  any further help i can give on tracking it down?
[18:15] <Laney> night, see some of you laters
[18:50] <davidcalle> mhall119: kenvandine: I'm still happy to help, but I haven't received any meeting invite. Just let me know where you need help :)
[18:55] <kenvandine> davidcalle, thx, i could definately use some help


[12:36] <alkisg> Laney: I ended up filing LP bug #1548056 to ask python-distutils-extra to properly support appdata.xml, so that apps don't have to manually generate a POTFILES.in with all their translatable files.


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[14:07] <OvenWerks> not enough information to answer.
[14:07] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, as with any tool; learn to use it and it will be quite useful.
[14:08] <sachinstudio> website development in PHP, MYSQL, other graphiscs tools are also going to be used in it
[14:09] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, ... so your question is ....?
[14:11] <sachinstudio> got it or
[14:11] <sachinstudio> not
[14:11] <sachinstudio> ?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> ubuntu can handle everything you've listed.  your machine, your decision.
[14:12] <sachinstudio> then
[14:12] <sachinstudio> shall i install only UBUNTU
[14:12] <sachinstudio> instead of
[14:13] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, yes
[14:13] <sachinstudio> UBUNUT STUDIO
[14:14] <OvenWerks> it doesn't matter that much.
[14:14] <sachinstudio> it means any distribution is same
[14:14] <OvenWerks> certainly Studio does not especialy deal with web publishing.
[14:15] <sachinstudio> ok then which is best
[14:15] <OvenWerks> I use bluefish for web page creation but there are other web page ide
[14:15] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, no such thing s "best".  install one ubuntu.  add tools as needed.  learn.  produce.  profit.
[14:16] <sachinstudio> i am quite untouch development for long time so to begin it how should i go
[14:16] <sachinstudio> ?
[14:16] <OvenWerks> If you are used to having a menu then I would suggest that Studio is good, just install the graphics package
[14:16] <cfhowlett> "untouch"  ??????
[14:16] <OvenWerks> or you could use xubuntu and add some things you need for what you do.
[14:17] <zequence> netbeans is not bad for web coding. But, I usually use a simple text editor, like gedit. Though, now I'm running atom for everything.
[14:17] <sachinstudio> i am not into deelopment for last few years
[14:17] <zequence> http://atom.io
[14:17] <sachinstudio> ?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, www.fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads         get and read the latest issue.
[14:19] <sachinstudio> how much time it will take to learn atom
[14:19] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, it takes as long as it takes ... get started
[14:19] <sachinstudio> what is there in full circle cfhowlett
[14:19] <sachinstudio> ?
[14:20] <cfhowlett> sachinstudio, now you're just being lazy.  download and read.  no hand holding.
[14:20] <sachinstudio> how much time it will take to learn atom zequence
[14:20] <sachinstudio> ?
[14:20] <zequence> For me, one day. For you, I don't know :)
[14:20] <sachinstudio> ha ha
[14:21] <sachinstudio> no no
[14:21] <zequence> It's based on Chromium (Google Chrome)
[14:21] <sachinstudio> not at all
[14:21] <sachinstudio> i am not lazy
[14:21] <sachinstudio> just reentering in the developing world
[14:22] <sachinstudio> ok
[14:23] <sachinstudio> so all my freinds i am going to be intouch with all just i installed ubuntu studio
[14:23] <sachinstudio> it finished i have to restart the machine
[14:23] <zequence> sachinstudio: Hope you have fun with it :)
[14:24] <sachinstudio> yep 100% sure
[14:25] <sachinstudio> hey zequence please give me you mail id i want to send all doubts in one single mail
[14:25] <sachinstudio> and cfhowlett you also give me mail id
[14:25] <zequence> sachinstudio: If you would like to email someone, please use our mail list
[14:25] <sachinstudio> how?
[14:25] <zequence> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[16:31] <fruityaddict> spanish?
[16:33] <Unit193> !es | fruityaddict


[15:21] <sethj> Is there a process for requesting a package be added to the liveCD/default install? How does that work?
[17:38] <Fantu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/517021 still not pushed to trusty, why?
[17:43] <mitya57> Fantu: according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html the fix breaks some autopkgtests
[17:43] <mitya57> That may be a false positive, but someone needs to double-check that
[17:47] <Fantu> thanks for reply
[17:49] <Fantu> I not tested the official proposed packages but another I did with the same patch before and is ok


[08:08] <osinclair_> morning, anyone knows when 4.9.1 might hit kubuntu-backports?
[08:08] <osinclair_> morning where I am, that is...
[08:09] <lordievader> Morning kubuntu.
[09:05] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> hallo, here....
[09:07] <lordievader> Hey ALS-IT-NET-PC, how are you?
[09:11] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> Thank You.  All Good.
[09:11] <lordievader> :)
[11:16] <shadeslayer> osinclair_: we're working on it
[11:16] <shadeslayer> probably next week or sth
[11:16] <shadeslayer> though can't really gurantee a exact date tbh
[11:18] <osinclair_> shadeslayer_ thanks good to know
[11:27] <Guest75738> hi i hope someone can help. I'm moving house so o2 have given me a mobile dongle while my broadband moves. However I can't get it working. Network manager detects it and it comes up with all the defaults etc but it won't connect. It should be prepaid or pay as you go, but on selecting all different contract/pay types and trying to connect the authorisation screen just pops back up again. Can anyone please help?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:22] <velho> hey BlaXpirit
[12:22] <velho> hey BluesKaj
[12:25] <BluesKaj> hi velho
[12:36] <velho> BluesKaj, kubuntu user how many years?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> 6 or so , velho
[12:37] <BluesKaj> as a regular user ... I did start with linux about 8 yrs ago
[13:29] <velho> BluesKaj, my interest started more then 10 years ago (gosh, how many time!) but I just became an OFFICIAL ubuntu user THIS WEEK :D
[13:30] <BluesKaj> velho,  "official" , ok what's your definition ?
[13:31] <velho> BlaXpirit, I mean I'm finally becaming a true user
[13:31] <BlaXpirit> oh come on, improve your aiming skills
[13:31] <velho> BlaXpirit, sorry, it was not for you
[13:31] <BlaXpirit> but i know
[13:32] <velho> BluesKaj, I mean I'm finally becaming a true user
[13:32] <velho> BluesKaj, I must use Windows, but for the everyda stuff, I'm converting to linux
[13:33] <BlaXpirit> pro tip: go though all the settings. (if you're using KDE, of course)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> yes , velho  a lot of us have to use windows , such a shame
[13:34] <velho> BlaXpirit, "aiming skils"? was that message for me?
[13:35] <BlaXpirit> yes, it's quite obvious that you missed BluesKaj and hit me, but no problem
[13:35] <velho> BlaXpirit, BluesKaj I'm using ubuntu, not KDE. I like KDE more, but I'm giving gnome a try
[13:35] <BlaXpirit> well it's a Kubuntu channel... that's for KDE
[13:35] <velho> BlaXpirit, I made that mistake twice. will not happen again, I'm sorry
[13:36] <BlaXpirit> (i think so)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> gnome is ok , but I prefer kde ,, it's much more configurable , and I like the 'look' much more
[13:36] <velho> BlaXpirit, yes. KDE= Kubunto Gnome= Ubuntu XDE=Xubuntu
[13:36] <BlaXpirit> yes, yes, i know, i'm just not sure about the channels
[13:37] <velho> BluesKaj, KDE is more like windows
[13:38] <velho> can I have Ubuntu and Kubuntu installed, with no compatibility problems?
[13:38] <BlaXpirit> i'm afraid that's impossible without any consequences at all
[13:39] <BluesKaj> I'm on W7 atm , updating , but dunno how long this install is going to be here , I don't use for anything so far
[13:40] <BlaXpirit> well, once we have Steam on Linux, Adobe will be the main problem
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Thinking of using this drive for an experimental OS , but I haven't found one that interests me yet
[13:41] <BlaXpirit> just use virtual machines...
[13:42] <velho> BluesKaj, if you don't use Windws for anything, why  installing it?
[13:43] <mc_monti> velho: Ubuntu and Kubuntu? Why don't you just install both desktop managers: KDE and maybe Unity or Gnome?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> I was going to join netflix , but the movies they have don't appeal to me much (wife and I are older and retired) , there isn't much there of interest to us.
[13:45] <BlaXpirit> it seems like no good movies are released at all
[13:45] <BlaXpirit> i wouldn't even want to watch the modern movies even for free, and to pay for them...
[13:46] <BluesKaj> ok ,back to kubuntu ...see you in a bit
[13:47] <francesco_> kde 4.9 su kubuntu 12.04, ci sarà nei repo ufficiali?
[13:48] <BlaXpirit> already is for a long time
[13:48] <BlaXpirit> francesco_, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[13:49] <BlaXpirit> it's even in the channel topic -_-
[13:49] <francesco_> i must add this ppa:ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:49] <BlaXpirit> yes. it won't be added to the default 12.04 repositories, i think
[13:50] <francesco_> ok...thnaks.bb
[13:51] <velho> mc_monti, that's what I meant! can I do that without having to install all the progs again?
[13:51] <velho> mc_monti, just changing desktop managers inside the same system?
[13:52] <BlaXpirit> well you can install both environments at once and select which one you want to use during login
[13:52] <BlaXpirit> it's about as easy as installing applications in the package manager
[13:53] <mc_monti> You can choose, either to install the whole package with all programs or just kde.
[13:55] <mc_monti> if you have an existing Ubuntu installation just add the package kde-standard
[13:56] <mc_monti> if you want all the software that comes with a normal kubuntu installation, install the package kubuntu-desktop
[13:56] <BlaXpirit> but it does install a lot of applications
[13:57] <mc_monti> No, kde-standard is pretty much only the desktop manager
[13:58] <mc_monti> but you are right concerning the kubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <BlaXpirit> kde-standard has Ark, Dragon Player, Gwenview, Juk, Kate, KCalc, KMail, Akregator, KAddressBook, Kopete, Okular
[13:59] <BlaXpirit> maybe even more than Kubuntu
[14:00] <BlaXpirit> kde-plasma-desktop is the minimal thing probably
[15:16] <blub__> b
[15:16] <blub__> 'b
[15:40] <Rosbuntu> im using kubuntu
[15:41] <Rosbuntu> but i cant write bangla in libre office
[15:41] <Rosbuntu> though i have bangla font installed in it. it shows !
[15:41] <Rosbuntu> any suggestion?
[17:34] <phiscribe> hey, im looking at the Theme tab in on the Login Screen in System Settings.  It lists Ariya as the only theme.  I can click the Get New Themes at the bottom, which I have.  I can download themes, but none show in the list of available themes?  What gives? On the window where you download theme, they will show as installed.
[17:45] <phiscribe> eh i found it, have to run systemsettings with root priv
[17:57] <monkeyjuice> ok screen keeps going black and i cant find it to stop it
[17:57] <monkeyjuice> 12.04
[17:58] <monkeyjuice> looked in powermanagement    , screensaver, hmmmm
[18:02] <phiscribe> monkeyjuice: sure its not hardware? i got an lcd that does that, it gets warmed up and just blanks, no matter the os, guess im monitor shoping soon
[18:02] <phiscribe> or maybe a refresh rate it doesnt like?
[18:02] <ircyop> Hey, when I put my laptop to sleep and press a button on my keyboard, instead of the session resuming the computer just goes thorugh the boot process
[18:03] <monkeyjuice> just tryed xset s noblank   will see
[18:04] <BluesKaj> ircyop, how big is you swap partition compared to your RAM
[18:06] <ircyop> 4 gigs of swap
[18:06] <ircyop> 4 gigs of ram
[18:06] <ircyop> BluesKaj:
[18:06] <BluesKaj> ircyop, make sure swap is at least 512 mb larger than your RAM
[18:06] <ircyop> Oh okay, this is how it was set automatically
[18:06] <ircyop> by Kubuntu
[18:07] <ircyop> through the install BluesKaj
[18:07] <BluesKaj>  I was lectured on that already once today , bt someone who seems to know
[18:07] <BluesKaj> by
[18:07] <ircyop> ah okat
[18:08] <ircyop> It seems strange that Kubuntu's auto installl wouldn't do that automatically
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ircyop, I've never used the auto-install method , I always use the manual , and I preset the the partitions beforehand ..the rule was,  swap =1.5XRAM
[18:23] <ircyop> When I was using gentoo the rule was 2x BluesKaj.  So my bad
[18:24] <BluesKaj> nothing "bad" about it , as long as it's somewhat larger
[18:24] <monkeyjuice> na its still going black ;(
[18:26] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, I set scrnsaver and power mngmnt dim to 180 mins , but the scrn still goes dark after not moving the mouse or using the KB after 15
[19:19] <lordievader> Good evening
[19:20] <BluesKaj> afternoon
[20:18] <Guest23518> help! kubuntu 12.04.1 ubiquiti doesn't see any disk :( but fdisk do
[20:18] <Guest23518> i can't install :(
[20:19] <Guest23518> in fdisk i can do everything with disk
[20:20] <[Raiden]> try testdist to fix.
[20:20] <[Raiden]> testdisk
[20:21] <Guest23518> Disk is good :P
[20:21] <BluesKaj> Guest23518, is the disk formatted ?
[20:21] <[Raiden]> partition table may be not good
[20:21] <Guest23518> beacuse there is 2 other systems :P
[20:21] <Guest23518> fdisk > o > w
[20:21] <Guest23518> i did
[20:21] <Guest23518> and then restart computetr
[20:21] <Guest23518> computer*
[20:21] <Guest23518> there was*
[20:22] <monkeyjuice> how many partitions are on the hard drive
[20:23] <BluesKaj> Guest23518, if you have 4 primary partitions , in cluding swap then you can't install unless you make one of them an extended
[20:23] <Guest23518> http://paste.kde.org/545048/
[20:23] <Guest23518> thats how look disk at now
[20:25] <BluesKaj> you haven't finished editing the partition table Guest23518 , until you do , nothing will install
[20:25] <Guest23518> no?
[20:26] <[Raiden]> I met with the fact that, after a third-party partitioning software, the installer does not see the partitions. After checking in testdisk everything is ок (google translate:))
[20:26] <BluesKaj> I suggest you check your partitions with gparted live cd and make sure they are still ok , and that your data is still intact
[20:26] <BluesKaj> Guest23518, ^
[20:27] <Guest23518> in gparted can i create partition with 32GiB Gibibyte?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> yes , if your partition table allows it
[20:28] <Guest23518> fdisk allows it ;) i always make partitions in fdisk, but this is first time when kubuntu wanna something else ... :/
[20:29] <Guest23518> and only kubuntu.
[20:29] <Guest23518> i checked partition tabke in gparted. everythind is OK
[20:30] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu installer has a partitioner that can check and make / or /home partitions if there's room for another primary
[20:31] <Guest23518> whole disk is empty
[20:31] <Guest23518> he can see only my pendrive
[20:34] <BluesKaj> your partition table is waiting for a change , that change must be finished
[20:34] <Guest23518> how do that?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> whatever you treid to do didn't finish
[20:35] <Guest23518> even partprobe says 'good'
[20:35] <BluesKaj> if your whole disk is empty then just make a new parttion table
[20:35] <Guest23518> there is new msdos partition table\
[20:36] <BluesKaj> well , your paste shows that the table is altered
[20:36] <Guest23518> and then "Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.
[20:36] <Guest23518> Syncing disks."
[20:37] <Guest23518> and when i enter fdisk, new partition table is ready
[20:40] <Deet`> i have a external drive that failed while loaded in windows xp (fell over, usb port broke). got a new enclosure for it, can access it on windows 7 or xp. would kubuntu be able to mount it?
[20:40]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[20:41] <Deet`> is it worth getting a live disk and trying it out?
[20:41]  * Deet` would have a mac book linux if he could get the usb wifi to work :/
[20:42] <BluesKaj> Deet`, yes kubuntu live can mount it
[20:42] <BluesKaj> dinnertime bbl...gotta bBQ
[20:43]  * monkeyjuice likes his steak rare
[20:43] <Deet`> sweet *downloads*
[22:05] <Riddell> beta 1 is out! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.10-beta-1
[22:57] <userkubuntu> hello all
[22:57] <userkubuntu> have spanish kubuntu?
[22:58] <userkubuntu> ok, kubuntu-es ty all
[23:04] <userkubuntu> guys, kde 4.9 is a stable version?
[23:06] <userkubuntu> not, not is a stable, its 4,8.4 grrr
[23:06] <tsimpson> the latest stable version is 4.9.1 that was released on Tuesday
[23:06] <userkubuntu> i have a 4.9.0 but have many problems
[23:06] <userkubuntu> 64 bits
[23:07] <userkubuntu> i change 32 bits (perfect) to 64 bits and have many errors
[23:07] <userkubuntu> one in the start, other in preferences button...
[23:07] <userkubuntu> and only have 2 days working
[23:08] <lewis1711> greetings. is there a way to switch off the animation when you switch desktops? :)
[23:08] <tsimpson> userkubuntu: if you find bugs, you should see if they are already reported or report them yourself at https://bugs.kde.org/
[23:09] <userkubuntu> the bugs are reported, not are only me :(
[23:11] <lewis1711> internet tells me desktop activity settings might control it
[23:13] <userkubuntu> the animation to switch desktops? i think in preference have an option to change: in desktop efects (efectos de escritorio in spanish)
[23:15] <lewis1711> userkubuntu: right you are, thankyou :)
[23:15] <lewis1711> (though, now that I am there the cube is very tempting lol)
[23:48] <SIR_Taco> it's not yet talk like a pirate daaay... yaaaar


[01:00] <diddledan> dum de dum
[01:06] <daftykins> dee-da-dee
[01:06] <diddledan> doo be doo
[01:46] <diddledan> so apparently happy birthday isn't copyright to the guys who thought it was
[01:47] <daftykins> indeed!
[01:47] <daftykins> they've got egg on their faces now
[01:47] <daftykins> demanding moneys from folk who didn't need to pay
[01:47] <diddledan> they should have to repay with interest
[01:48] <daftykins> :D
[01:52] <diddledan> google are doing stuff later today
[01:52] <diddledan> DO ALL THE THINGS!
[01:53] <daftykins> oh yeah 29th
[01:53] <daftykins> LG 5x looks alright
[02:06] <diddledan> why do I always read "buffering" with Gs instead of Fs?
[02:06] <diddledan> it seems to me to be more apt I guess
[02:09] <daftykins> they could be s's like ye olde english
[02:09] <daftykins> :D
[02:16] <diddledan> ye sucker
[02:16] <diddledan> something like that
[02:16] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJpoOlCbBrw
[02:17] <diddledan> Alice Tinker: [on TV show] The lesson is taken from the sixth chapter of the Song of Solomon, beginning at the second verse.
[02:17] <diddledan> Alice Tinker: [reading from the newly presented Bible] Ye are the fault of the earth and fainted... sainted. God shall feel... seal your endeavours until ye fit on his right hand. Therefore fight the good fight, for his... fake, and he shall be thy fu...
[02:17] <diddledan> Geraldine Granger: *Succour!* He shall be thy succour.
[02:17] <diddledan> there ya go
[02:19] <daftykins> o0
[02:19] <daftykins> did you read about them finding top secret docs plugging the holes in one of the buildings up at Bletchley? :D
[02:19] <diddledan> no?
[02:21] <daftykins> pretty funny :) turned out all the actual docs were being pushed up to insulate the place as they worked
[02:31] <diddledan> hmm, my lumia just rebooted and is applying an update
[02:31] <diddledan> (it's a cheapo just to see what winphone is like :-p)
[02:32] <daftykins> :D
[02:33] <diddledan> no idea what it's installing, 'cos apparently there's no new builds today
[02:33] <diddledan> (it's enrolled in the insider track)
[02:50] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/jimchines/status/648290101550841856
[07:38] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <Moodoo> morning diplo
[08:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:19] <Moodoo> morning
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> and todays fact is...
[08:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy World Heart Day! 😃  <3
[08:23]  * JamesTait hugs zmoylan-pi
[08:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlR0KElxxVg
[08:33] <JamesTait> Oh all right then.
[08:33]  * JamesTait hugs davmor2 as well
[08:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: hugs all round \o/
[08:35]  * zmoylan-pi dresses a hungry bear as a linux geek... :-)
[08:39]  * davmor2 give the bear a jar of honey and hugs him quick, notes zmoylan-pi is next in queue, snatches the honey and throws it to zmoylan-pi and points mouth opened in amazment that someone would snatch the bears honey
[08:41]  * zmoylan-pi catches the honey, unscrews the cap and dumps contents on davmor2
[08:42] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's a winnie the pooh style jar of honey there is no lid :P  and uh oh you're in trouble, better watch out, better make it double :)
[08:43]  * zmoylan-pi then activates the jet powered rocket pants and junior birdmans the hell out of here...
[08:45] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:45] <JamesTait> Hi czajkowski! 👋
[08:50] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:54] <czajkowski> how are we all doing today ?
[08:55]  * zmoylan-pi realises that i didn't check easons for latest linux voice mag yesterday and plans walk to dun laoire to get a copy...
[08:55] <czajkowski> bit of a walk
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> from killiney yes, will be sore when i get home.
[09:04] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: killiney isn't that what they did on south park every week?
[09:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: no kilkenny :)
[09:08] <davmor2> ah I was close :)
[09:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:28] <Moodoo> moaning bigcalm
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> and people could learn from the design of the most awesome ui ever :-) https://twitter.com/cabel/status/648680009381511168
[10:55] <bigcalm> Wow
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> i know, right? ;-)
[10:57] <directhex> time for canonical to throw unity out again, clearly the new UI paradigm lies before us
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> now that ui should be called unity as it jams every option onto 1 form :-)
[14:31] <diddledan> dear lord that ui is evil (from zmoylan-pi earlier)
[14:35] <diddledan> lol @ the google doodle of mars
[14:35] <diddledan> that's cute
[15:35] <diddledan> google announcement in 25 minutes?
[15:36] <TwistedLucidity> I AM GOOGLE, I NO LONGER HAVE NEED FOR YOU FRAGILE MEATSACKS. BE GONE.
[15:36] <diddledan> google = skynet?
[15:36] <TwistedLucidity> I doubt Skynet was that evil.
[15:36] <diddledan> I think the military should use google for nukes
[15:37] <diddledan> "ok google. nuke iran"
[15:37] <brobostigon> lol.
[15:37] <TwistedLucidity> This missile sponsored by....
[15:37] <brobostigon> apple
[15:37] <diddledan> and google now will pop up helpful hints like "would you like to nuke russia?"
[15:38] <brobostigon> :)
[15:38] <Myrtti> apparently the phones won't have Qi on them
[15:38] <diddledan> :-(
[15:38] <TwistedLucidity> Self driving cars mayhaps? I'd love one.   I can watch it annihilate all the middle-lane hoggers.....
[15:39] <diddledan> "ok google. parp him!"
[15:39] <brobostigon> isnt that a drone?
[15:40] <diddledan> self-driving drones would be a good idea - especially if you can offload targetting too
[15:41] <TwistedLucidity> I need an LED sign on the front of the car that say "GET LEFT, MORON >>>" (in mirror writing, obviously)
[15:41] <diddledan> "a drone attacked moscow. a software fault is blamed"
[15:42] <TwistedLucidity> "A drone attacked Mo's cow. A software fault is blamed"
[15:42] <diddledan> poor cow
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> and a i am ronnie pickering sign too :-)
[15:45] <ali12341> guys i have an extremely important question
[15:45] <ali12341> what was the thing in the intro to picture box anyway? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVTsnSg-MS4
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> down the corridor to the left :-)
[15:47] <TwistedLucidity> ali12341: A display case for jewels, trinkets or other high-value knick-knacks?
[15:48] <TwistedLucidity> Oh man, the memories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acOnskcyrtA
[15:48] <ali12341> possibly, i'm looking for a more detailed answer, like you'd get on antiques roadshow :)
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> probably just a portable display case for a religious relic
[15:52] <TwistedLucidity> Well, it's quite clearly a 1835 boite de art, probably made by Crumbleson and Co of Nantwich based on the design. However the class has been placed at some point in the past; probably to try and keep with the fashions. Of no intrinsic value, but of great sentimental worth I'm sure.
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> phew, i just use it to store these funny eggs my great aunt got in russia...
[15:54] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, those silly faberge?
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> sounds right, keeps the cat amused i can tell you
[15:57] <ali12341> seems like you're right anwyay
[15:57] <diddledan> google is streaming here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc-LEG0T_4c
[15:58] <ali12341> "glass jewelry casket" on google images brings up many similar objects
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen the like in dublin city centre churches that have relics
[15:59] <diddledan> 17k people watching a white screen
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> there was a time when the relics were paraded, easter, christmas etc.
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> it's a smart screen, it's watching back
[15:59] <diddledan> 25k
[16:00] <diddledan> 33
[16:01] <diddledan> video is now dead
[16:02] <diddledan> \o/
[16:02] <diddledan> livestreams ftw
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> shouldva used facetime
[16:04] <TwistedLucidity> Only 56k watching? That's not many....
[16:05] <diddledan> they should have killed the right-side chat stream - I think that's what's killing my browser
[16:06] <diddledan> aah there's a "hide chat" button /me clicks that hoping that it improves things
[16:06] <TwistedLucidity> Blocked it/Greasemonkey it away/Hack the HTML
[16:08] <TwistedLucidity> C'mon man, get to the point!
[16:09] <TwistedLucidity> OK, a phone. Bored now.
[16:09] <diddledan> lol
[16:10] <TwistedLucidity> G'night all, doggies need their walkies.
[16:13] <popey> he has an odd accent
[16:13] <popey> irish american?
[16:13] <diddledan> no idea. I suck at discerning accents :-)
[16:14] <popey> haha, making excuses why it doesn't have OIS
[16:14] <diddledan> OIS?
[16:15] <popey> Optical Image Stabilisation
[16:15] <diddledan> aah
[16:15] <popey> which works really well on iOS
[16:15] <diddledan> yeah
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> isn't that your knees? :-)
[16:15] <Myrtti> please tell it has Qi
[16:15] <Myrtti> pppplllleeease
[16:16] <popey> 4k "at normal rate"
[16:16] <popey> bet that means 30fps, not 60
[16:16] <diddledan> bah
[16:16] <diddledan> you're ahead of me
[16:17] <popey> i like that double tap power = camera
[16:17] <popey> thats something sony get right
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> i think my favourite phone camera was the nokia n70.  had a sliding cover that protected the lens, and when you slid it open it fired up the app...
[16:18] <ali12341> so when r u going to port ubuntu touch to these?
[16:18] <popey> hehe
[16:18] <popey> good question!
[16:18] <Myrtti> N95 ♥
[16:18] <popey> we don't support 64-bit yet, or L, let alone M
[16:19] <davmor2> ali12341: when you buy them for him to port them
[16:19] <ali12341> zmoylan-pi: the N900 had that too, and also a pretty good camera for the time
[16:20] <ali12341> unfortunately it had a terrible LED flash
[16:20] <popey> yeah, my N82 had that open = camera
[16:20] <popey> loved that phone
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> i could take phone out and fire up the app without looking at it, perfect
[16:21] <popey> yeah
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> now, it's take out phone, unlock, find app, start app, moment has passed...
[16:22] <ali12341> or just press the camera icon on the lock screen?
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> still means looking away from what you want to take pic of
[16:25] <popey> so when does 6.0 drop?
[16:27] <Myrtti> and will it drop on Nexus5's
[16:27] <Myrtti> historical pattern would say no
[16:27] <Myrtti> next week and yes
[16:27] <popey> heh
[16:27] <ahayzen> 'doze mode' hah :-)
[16:27] <Azelphur> has the event started yet for the Nexuses?
[16:28] <popey> so not nexus 4
[16:28] <Myrtti> Azelphur: yes?
[16:28] <Azelphur> oO
[16:31] <ali12341> in summary: they made some new hones, they're a little bit better than the old phones
[16:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:39] <popey> I like how he is doing this demo with his phone in airplane mode
[16:39] <popey> does he have an ethernet device attached (odd icons in indicator area)
[16:39] <diddledan> haha
[16:39] <diddledan> that's clever
[16:40] <diddledan> aah yes that could be a wired network
[16:40] <diddledan> the <..> is sometimes used for wired
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> it's a liquid metal terminator... panic.... \o/
[16:40] <diddledan> the tablet is wireless
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> unpanic \o/
[16:40] <popey> over used phrases in presentations... "go ahead and"
[16:41] <diddledan> haha. demo gods!
[16:41] <popey> :)
[16:42] <diddledan> they didn't sacrifice any goats.
[16:42] <popey> "go ahead and" *drink*
[16:43] <diddledan> K-Rod?
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> not a big demo, a 2 chicken sacrifice limit
[16:45] <diddledan> I'm waiting to hear what they're doing with the chromecast
[16:45] <popey> JIFF!
[16:45] <diddledan> popey, CIF
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> that boat has cailed :-)
[16:45] <diddledan> and AJAX. and toilet-duck :-p
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> and not war rocket ajax?
[16:51] <diddledan> I wonder why they felt the need to have colours on a product that is meant to hide behind the tv?
[16:51] <popey> my father in laws dangles out the side
[16:51] <popey> uh, the tv
[16:51] <diddledan> lol
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> nice save... :slow handclap: :-P
[16:53] <popey> lemonade
[16:53] <popey> ITYM Yellow
[16:53] <diddledan> I'm not sure it's really lemonade
[16:53] <popey> That's no lemonade I've ever drunk
[16:54] <diddledan> luminous yellow/green
[16:54] <DJones> Melted snow
[16:54] <DJones> and as the eskimo's say, don't eat yellow snow
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> with all those huskies they never mention brown snow...
[16:55] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, otherwise known as fudge?
[16:55] <diddledan> yummy :-p
[16:55]  * zmoylan-pi makes note never to touch fudge offered by diddledan...
[16:55] <diddledan> lol
[16:56] <popey> "go ahead and" *drink*
[16:56] <popey> "go ahead and" *drink*
[16:56] <diddledan> popey, you're gonna get drunky monkey
[16:56] <diddledan> "lets talk about" is another one
[16:57] <popey> *drink*
[17:00] <diddledan> let's talk about
[17:03] <popey> *drink* etc
[17:04] <Azelphur> Do we have UK prices for the Nexus 5X/6P yet?
[17:04] <diddledan> go ahead and!
[17:04] <diddledan> they're really going for the gold medal
[17:04] <diddledan> Azelphur, not that I'm aware
[17:05] <DJones> Azelphur: If you buy it through my online shop (which I've still got to set up) it'll cost you £999.99, with free delivery, no contract necessary
[17:05] <Azelphur> lol
[17:05] <Azelphur> I'm hoping it ends up on Amazon so I can purse it
[17:06]  * DJones trys to comprehend a bloke saying "I can purse it" :)
[17:06] <DJones> Thats a badly named system
[17:07] <diddledan> I don't know what that means
[17:08] <DJones> diddledan: How many blokes do you know that would use the word "purse"?
[17:08] <Azelphur> diddledan: http://purse.io
[17:08] <diddledan> none.  Looks huskie like from pictures
[17:13] <Azelphur> DJones: wat?
[17:14] <diddledan> I like that pixel c
[17:14] <DJones> Azelphur: Could be getting mixed up,I see so many dogs via twitter/facebook
[17:14] <Azelphur> DJones: probably, I was gonna say I don't have / never have had a dog
[17:14] <DJones> Ah, sorry, getting you mixed up with somebody else
[17:17] <DJones> Azelphur: Was getting you mixed up with knightwise
[17:17] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:18] <Azelphur> they need to hurry up and post them on the play store so I can see pricing :)
[17:18]  * DJones blames popey's (Whyte & McKay's) yellow lemonade
[17:18] <Myrtti> I seriously want to see it on store.google.com that the phones don't have Qi
[17:33] <Azelphur> Myrtti: no qi? :/
[17:42] <diddledan> store.google.com is updated
[17:44] <diddledan> yeah looks like no qi
[17:45] <Azelphur> wow, £579 vs $649
[17:45] <Azelphur> It's literally £150 cheaper in the US, that's insane
[17:45] <diddledan> yeah
[17:45] <Azelphur> (6P 128GB)
[17:46] <diddledan> at least they're not doing the apple pricing strategy where 599$ = 599£
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> well that's what happens when you tax them with no representation...
[17:46] <Myrtti> no qi.
[17:46] <Azelphur> no qi is a letdown
[17:46] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> can you not add qi with a case?
[17:46] <Myrtti> Fairphone 2 looks appealing now
[17:47] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: and take the USB C out of the picture?
[17:49] <Azelphur> Yea, I think this may be it for me and Nexus devices. Might get a Sony Xperia Z5 premium
[17:49] <Azelphur> the price point is so ridiculous
[17:49] <diddledan> chromecast is 30£
[17:50] <Myrtti> finally with Spotify
[17:50] <Myrtti> we ordered 2 audios and 1 normal
[17:50] <Azelphur> http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7588&idPhone2=7536 Z5 premium will be pretty much the same price
[17:52] <Azelphur> I assume the US Nexus 6P won't work on UKs 4g bands
[17:52] <Myrtti> why wouldn't it?
[17:53] <Azelphur> Myrtti: no phone I've ever seen has 4G in both UK and US? My nexus 5 doesn't
[17:53] <Myrtti> I can't remember if I got 4G in California
[17:53] <Azelphur> I didn't, even with a friends sim.
[17:53] <Azelphur> We tested it, it don't work :)
[17:56] <Myrtti> I just used my Three sim
[17:56] <Myrtti> it was great
[17:56] <Azelphur> Myrtti: three feel at home won't give you 4g abroad, even if your phones hardware could do it.
[17:56] <Azelphur> Myrtti: I'm a bit of a globetrotter now days :)
[17:58] <popey> they specifically said the devices go on sale in US and UK at the same time and that they support 4g globally.
[17:58] <Azelphur> Oh, that's kinda cool
[17:59] <Azelphur> next time I go to US I could pick one up then, maybe that'd make it worthwhile
[18:00] <popey> Wonder when partners get AOSP 6
[18:02] <popey> so nexus 5 x from £339, 6p from £449
[18:02] <Azelphur> I mean, £428 is slightly more attractive (US price), but honestly it still doesn't stack up against other flagships price wise
[18:02] <popey> I can see why they broke out the gapps too, not only so you can uninstall them, but also so you don't instantly run out of space on day one
[18:04] <Azelphur> If Sony committed to getting Android 6 on the Z5 premium, which I imagine they will, I think that'll be my next phone
[18:04] <popey> directhex isn't having fun with his sony
[18:04] <Azelphur> oh?
[18:05] <popey> which other flagship would you look at?
[18:05] <Azelphur> the S6 is fairly comparable too, and far cheaper
[18:07] <Azelphur> I've been really on the fence about getting a Sony (I boycotted Sony for a long time), and the whole not being a Nexus thing, but I haven't really found anything to fault them yet, hardware wise they seem to just be strides ahead
[18:08]  * directhex is shipping his z3c off for repair
[18:17] <ali12341> the z3 compact is meant to be good
[18:17] <ali12341> if you want decent hardware without a stupidly big screen
[18:20] <daftykins> heh i see i can view the google play store for devices these days, but still not allowed to ship items to the Channel Islands
[18:20] <daftykins> thanks Google!
[18:25]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if i can get away with using nokia asha 302 as a hammer like i did with n70...
[18:38] <popey> Azelphur: yeah, I have a natural aversion to Samsung though
[18:38] <popey> Too cluttered with S junk
[18:38] <popey> I do like the look of the z3c
[18:38] <popey> wifey went for a 2nd hand iphone 5c in the end
[18:38] <popey> I bought one off ebay for 180 quid, went back 2 days later and it's now 280 quid. Hope they fulfill it :S
[18:45] <davmor2> popey: oh hudl finally gets an upgrade to lollipop now that marshmellow is being released :)
[18:48] <Azelphur> popey:  me too
[18:49] <popey> davmor2: it does!?
[18:49] <brobostigon> hudl2 i think, not the first.
[18:49] <popey> yeah, thats what I have
[18:49] <davmor2> brobostigon: that what we have :)
[18:49] <popey> aha, i see the update, but sam has drained it watching youtube videos. need to charge above 50% to get it
[18:49] <ali12341> i got one of these http://www.scan.co.uk/products/45-zte-4g-lte-blade-apex-2-smartphonelcd-screen-quad-core-12ghz-4gb-storage-4g-lte-wifi-bt4-android-
[18:49] <brobostigon> :)
[18:50] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[18:50] <ali12341> you can't really go wrong for that price
[18:50] <popey> 404
[18:50] <popey> you have an extra 1 also today.
[18:50] <ali12341> link works for me
[18:51] <popey> odd
[18:51] <popey> works now
[18:51] <popey> thats quite a bezel
[18:51] <ali12341> yeah
[18:51] <ali12341> but it;s £50, what do you want?
[18:51] <daftykins> all the things!
[18:51] <popey> well indeed
[18:51] <ali12341> other than the rubbish screen it is roughly equivalent to a moto g
[18:55] <ali12341> has anyone ever tried ringing up, like, google, and saying "my fingerprints have been stolen, how do i change them?"
[18:56] <daftykins> i've tried calling them, that was an exercise in frustration to begin with
[18:56] <daftykins> it took until i said "you do realise you're ignoring everything i say?" to snap the rep out of their script
[18:56] <diddledan> can you even call google?
[18:56] <daftykins> yep!
[18:56] <diddledan> really?
[18:56] <daftykins> cue explaining the Channel Islands to someone from the south
[18:57] <daftykins> :>
[18:57] <diddledan> they don't make that very clear
[18:57] <popey> yeah i called them to get my phone fixed
[18:57] <popey> they were awful
[18:57] <popey> although it seems they're doing paid support now
[18:58] <popey> turns out that works out well for apple customers
[18:58] <daftykins> hmm, so like an applecare equivalent?
[18:58] <popey> yes
[18:58] <popey> for new nexus devices
[18:58] <daftykins> that could well be worth it
[19:04] <Barabossa> hello everyone
[19:05] <diddledan> hmm, bridge of spies looks like an interesting movie
[19:05] <daftykins> lo
[19:05] <diddledan> got tom hanks in it
[19:05] <daftykins> yay TH
[19:06] <diddledan> which means a reprisal of forest gump? :-p
[19:06] <ali12341> 2 forest 2 gump
[19:07] <popey> lulz
[19:10] <Barabossa> total noob here, came to learn about what kernel and foss and gnome and terminal mean
[19:10] <Barabossa> but forget about it, lets talk about forest gump :P
[19:11] <diddledan> hello Barabossa
[19:11] <Barabossa> hi :)
[19:11] <Barabossa> by the way, i live in Barcelona
[19:11] <Barabossa> am i still allowed in this group?
[19:11] <diddledan> sure
[19:11] <Barabossa> will move to london if needed
[19:11] <diddledan> lol
[19:11] <Barabossa> actually i'll move to london anyway
[19:11] <diddledan> no need to move :-)
[19:12] <Barabossa> (not kidding, next week)
[19:12] <Barabossa> have a new job, which is why i'm trying to learn a bit about linux
[19:12] <diddledan> yey
[19:12] <diddledan> well done - job is good
[19:12] <Barabossa> well in london its that or live under a bridge i think
[19:13] <diddledan> hehe
[19:13] <Barabossa> been searching, london bridge seems nice
[19:13] <daftykins> :)
[19:13] <Barabossa> Anyway, let me introduce myself
[19:13] <Barabossa> Name is Jon
[19:13] <diddledan> o/
[19:13] <Barabossa> Belgian, living in Barcelona
[19:14] <Barabossa> 27, no boobs, sorry
[19:14] <diddledan> and moving to london - that's some serious internationalisation :-p
[19:14] <Barabossa> studied politics, best studies to find 0 jobs
[19:14] <Barabossa> so now working in IT/marketing
[19:15] <Barabossa> yeah :D
[19:15] <Barabossa> like to travel around a bit
[19:17] <daftykins> good for you, staying in the same spot can definitely limit things
[19:18] <Barabossa> yeah, i guess
[19:19] <Barabossa> on the other hand, you feel like you never ever belong anywhere
[19:19] <Barabossa> and only keep your best best friends
[19:19] <Barabossa> anyway, how about you guys?
[19:21] <daftykins> i live on the island of Guernsey and do a bit of IT support for small biz
[19:23] <diddledan> interesting - they've made a sequel to olympus has fallen
[19:23] <diddledan> called london has fallen
[19:23] <brobostigon> north cotswolds, accentric, aspie.
[19:24] <diddledan> basing^Hamazingstoke
[19:24] <diddledan> :-p
[19:24] <diddledan> amazingstoke is .. well .. amazing :-D
[19:25] <daftykins> get stoked for amazingstoke
[19:25] <brobostigon> north cotswolds, accentric, human wizard*, aspie.
[19:26] <diddledan> I'll just state that I'm a genius and leave it at that
[19:27] <brobostigon> i used to use the name, leovinus, the biggest genius in all the universe who desgined start ship titanic.
[19:28] <brobostigon> starship titanic*
[19:28] <diddledan> that's available on gog.com now
[19:28] <diddledan> 5.99
[19:28] <brobostigon> book or game?
[19:28] <diddledan> game
[19:28] <brobostigon> or both
[19:29] <brobostigon> great gane, :)
[19:29] <diddledan> I don't know if they have the book too
[19:29] <diddledan> but gog is mainly games - if they have the book it'll be as a bonus to purchasing the game
[19:29] <brobostigon> took me about 6 months to finish, when we firt got it, late 90's.
[19:30] <diddledan> I remember that it included fraunhofer's mp3 codec as a separate installation step
[19:30] <brobostigon> yep.
[19:30] <diddledan> craycray the random things you remember
[19:33] <Barabossa> talking about games; y'all hyped for SteamOS ?
[19:36] <daftykins> i don't think it'll do anything for my usage of PC gaming personally
[19:37] <Barabossa> i agree with you
[19:37] <Barabossa> don't see the point for anyone except buyers of steam machines
[19:38] <Barabossa> or mac users
[19:38] <Barabossa> however, indirectly i hope it will push developers into developing more for linux
[19:39] <brobostigon> used to play doom and quake, but play D&D and magic more now.
[19:40] <diddledan> I don't really play anything
[19:40] <daftykins> mind you i'm more on consoles due to friends being less on the PC
[19:41] <popey> I'm considering a SteamOS box
[19:41] <brobostigon> my aspieness didnt like when i was younger being around other people, so it was computer games and not games that involved other people and groups, but now i am older, i like games like D&D with groups.
[19:42] <Barabossa> :) cool
[19:42] <Barabossa> I like D&D too
[19:42] <brobostigon> :)
[19:42] <Barabossa> though i haven't played it too often
[19:42] <brobostigon> what charecter do you play?
[19:42] <Barabossa> have a dragonborn figurine somewhere
[19:43] <Barabossa> and regarding magic
[19:43] <Barabossa> white mono for the win
[19:43] <Barabossa> will exile your mobs all day long
[19:44] <brobostigon> fireball, :)
[19:44] <Barabossa> haha
[19:44] <Barabossa> yeah, lost against a friend a few weeks ago
[19:44] <Barabossa> with a mono red deck
[19:44] <Barabossa> took him 4 turns
[19:44] <diddledan> for those on virgin - we're not doubling to 300Mbps this year - the october upgrade is to 200: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/09/virgin-media-boosts-top-uk-vivid-cable-broadband-speeds-to-200mbps.html
[19:44] <brobostigon> Barabossa: mine is vintage red.
[19:45] <daftykins> diddledan: mmm and Thursday too so i read
[19:45] <Barabossa> goblins?
[19:46] <brobostigon> Barabossa: vintage as in the deck format, as i use cards in my decks from over the last 15 years, and i use red.
[19:46] <Barabossa> i see
[19:46] <Barabossa> yeah i don't really play vintage
[19:47] <brobostigon> a mixture of, i should say.
[19:47] <Barabossa> cause i gave all my old cards away when i was 18 or so
[19:47] <diddledan> grr. they're not upping the upload speed :-(
[19:47] <diddledan> "the new 200Mbps tier remaining on uploads of 12Mbps"
[19:47] <Barabossa> btw @diddledan what's that with the internet?
[19:47] <diddledan> 12 is pitiful
[19:48] <diddledan> hmm?
[19:49] <Barabossa> i just dont get what its about
[19:49] <diddledan> virgin media is a cable phone/tv/broadband provider - they're upgrading their speed caps
[19:51] <Barabossa> 200 is still pretty good no :P ?
[19:51] <Barabossa> think i have 10 here :P
[19:51] <diddledan> yes 200 is good for internet-to-you but their you-to-internet speed is stuck at 12
[19:53] <Barabossa> ah
[19:53] <Barabossa> the upload
[19:53] <Barabossa> ok :P
[19:53] <Barabossa> yeah 12 is not very amazing
[19:54] <Barabossa> btw, which ISP is do you recommend?
[19:54] <Barabossa> in the UK ?
[19:54] <Barabossa> not that i have a flat yet or so
[19:54] <Barabossa> ill airbnb a bit while looking for one
[19:54] <Barabossa> but would be good to know already
[20:05] <Barabossa> noob question for you guys
[20:05] <Barabossa> do you know how i can install a .tar.xz file?
[20:07] <brobostigon> more context required, please.
[20:07] <Barabossa> hmm ok sorry
[20:08] <Barabossa> trying to install this
[20:08] <Barabossa> https://launchpad.net/synapse-project
[20:09] <Barabossa> if i click on the download button i just get some random code
[20:09] <Barabossa> like not even code
[20:09] <Barabossa> tried before with http://www.sublimetext.com/2
[20:11] <diddledan> virgin are a fairly good provider for mass-market - their headline download speeds are pretty well regarded. alternatively there's bt's infinity product at 80mbps/20mbps split. though if you want power user and don't mind a limit on the amount of data you can transfer in a month then there's aaisp (andrews & arnold) or zen
[20:11] <diddledan> every provider except virgin use bt phone lines to deliver the service via either adsl or fttc/p whereas virgin are a pure cable provider
[20:12] <Barabossa> cool
[20:12] <Barabossa> just checked andrews and arnold
[20:12] <Barabossa> but isnt it weird to be power user but have data limits?
[20:12] <diddledan> yeah
[20:12] <Barabossa> :D haha
[20:12] <Barabossa> ok
[20:13] <Barabossa> so virgin is the fastest i presume?
[20:13] <diddledan> virgin are the fastest unless you can get fttp (fibre all the way into your home)
[20:14] <ali12341> i'm not sure i really trust aaisp tbh
[20:15] <diddledan> oh?
[20:15] <ali12341> they claim that other ISPs are cheap because light users are subsidizing it
[20:15] <ali12341> yet their cheapest package is more expensive than most ISPs unlimited package, while having a smaller limit than most ISPs minimum tier
[20:15] <ali12341> this doesn't make sense
[20:16] <Myrtti> zen is good
[20:16]  * zleap uses zen, definatley recommend them
[20:22] <Barabossa> sorry
[20:22] <Barabossa> steam made pc crash
[20:23] <Barabossa> and ctrl alt delete doesnt work in ubuntu i guess
[20:23] <daftykins> ctrl+alt+F1 would take you to a TTY where you could diagnose :)
[20:23] <daftykins> (if it hadn't fully crashed)
[20:24] <ali12341> !dontzap
[20:24] <ali12341> bah
[20:55] <popey> davmor2: that update isn't Android L
[20:55] <popey> it's still 4.4.2 here.
[20:55] <popey> oh, here comes another one
[20:55] <popey> 1030MB in size
[20:55] <popey> holy hell
[20:56] <zleap> that is a big update
[21:08] <diddledan> popey: another update?
[21:13] <popey> ooh, android 5.1 apparently
[21:16] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hw7powzmwmsusu/IMG_20150929_220328.jpg?dl=0
[21:16] <daftykins> :D
[21:17] <popey> dem palm rests
[21:18] <popey> also, neomagic :)
[21:18] <daftykins> yip! 800x600 screen
[21:19] <daftykins> i actually used this at Uni in 2005
[21:19] <popey> bad memories of the dell latitude machines with trackball
[21:19] <popey> think they were 486
[21:22] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitude-XP-retro-Intel-486-laptop-/111633453477
[21:22] <popey> hehe, one of them
[21:24]  * popey remembers making a disk image for those which had dos 6.22 and windows 3.11 working _perfectly_
[21:25] <popey> had to dial into the Dell BBS to get drivers.
[21:25] <popey> Happy days
[21:27] <daftykins> ouch :)
[21:27] <daftykins> seems the CD-Rs i have are too small for lubuntu
[21:27] <daftykins> i'm being optimistic with an overburn attempt
[21:27] <diddledan> \o/
[21:28] <diddledan> you need a triple-layer blurry dis
[21:28] <diddledan> disk
[21:28] <daftykins> disc!
[21:28] <diddledan> ops
[21:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b4cburppnojm19d/IMG_20150929_223539.jpg?dl=0
[21:42] <dogmatic69_> anyone here that was around for my wifi issues, I broke down and bought some eth->wifi AP's off ebay... they work great
[21:42] <dogmatic69_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201384130690
[21:42] <diddledan> \o/
[21:42] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: cheat :-p
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> cant go wrong for £8
[21:43] <diddledan> nice
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> and it does wifi extend, eg: wifi -> wifi and AP, eth -> wifi
[21:43] <diddledan> I'm guessing not 802.11AC :-p
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> I get 40Mb/s on speedtest.net in the same room
[21:43] <diddledan> that's fairly decent
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> yes
[21:44] <dogmatic69_> actually, it was 49Mbps...
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> quite a nice GUI on the device too. not even broken English on the instruction leaflet..
[21:50] <daftykins> that *is* a rarity!
[21:51] <dogmatic69_> at first I did not even look at the leaflet, but after all the other good I had a look and was shocked. thick paper, glossy images, decent English....
[21:51] <daftykins> i think you should pay them more ;)
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> When I bought them I was thinking, "well, its only £8 if it does not work..."
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> lol
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> shhhh
[22:55] <diddledan> popey: encryption ftw?
[22:55] <diddledan> so edward @snowden is now twittered
[23:39] <Azelphur> popey: fyi https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/comments/3mv0sy/thread_for_european_nexus_fans_any_other/cvijsel
[23:39] <diddledan> I think marketing need to synergise our iot roi with mvp's
[23:39] <popey> nice
[23:40] <Azelphur> so nope, no buying the US version I guess
[23:42] <daftykins> zomg the lubuntu progress bar is at the end!
[23:42] <daftykins> only 2hrs after booting the CD-R
[23:42] <diddledan> and management need to analyse the synergies of our business processes to capitalise on realtime customer stories
[23:42] <daftykins> diddledan: you didn't say cloud yet
[23:42] <diddledan> oh yeah. cloud.
[23:48] <diddledan> and agile
[23:48] <diddledan> probably need some rest in there too
[23:49] <daftykins> oh and 'dynamic'


[09:38] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows if it is possible to use the official rpi kernel on ubuntu for raspberry pi? I'd need to git bisect to find a bug.