[14:21] <Guest18> Hi! I keep getting this error: `Uploading to ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
[14:21] <Guest18>   Uploading pcmanfm-qt_0.17.0-1~hirsute.dsc: 550 ~thesenate/lxqt-packages/pcmanfm-qt_0.17.0-1~hirsute.dsc: No such file or directory.
[14:21] <Guest18> Note: This error might indicate a problem with your passive_ftp setting.
[14:21] <Guest18> Please consult dput.cf(5) for details on this configuration option.`
[14:21] <Guest18> Can you help me please?
[14:37] <cjwatson> Let's keep this to one channel rather than two, please (#launchpad)
[14:41] <Guest18> Yes. Sorry.


[10:35] <nyov> cking: hi! once upon a time, you wrote this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/729758 - Are you (or anyone else) aware if this is fixable via ACPI (DSTD) table patches?
[15:27] <sdhd-sascha> Hi, does anybody know, how to ensure that a zfs directory is synced to disk. I have trouble with `du` (directory usage size)
[16:13] <tomreyn> i assume "sync" doesn't then?
[16:22] <cking> nyov, let me have a look
[16:24] <nyov> cking: oh awesome. The relevant code would be here https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/x86/kernel/apic/io_apic.c#L2210
[16:25] <cking> sdhd-sascha, the du command won't give you the correct info, you need to use zfs list
[16:26] <cking> zfs knows more about how much is really being used (because of snapshots etc) than du can provide
[16:27] <cking> nyov, i doubt that dabbling with tweaking the DSDT will be an easy route to fixing this, best try the kernel parameter 'noapic' as as workaround
[16:35] <sdhd-sascha> cking: thank you.
[16:35] <sdhd-sascha> The problem is, that "ubuntu-image" creates a temporary directory and `du` calculates the rootfs size. On my system i use /tmp/ on zfs with "sync=always" enabled
[16:37] <sdhd-sascha> Is it possible to use "zfs list" to get a subdirectory size ? I also tried `sync -f $(find /tmp/subdir)` . But didn't help in the most cases
[16:39] <sdhd-sascha> I also have create extra ZIL and L2ARC on a SSD ...
[16:42] <sdhd-sascha> cking: or is there a system-call which i could call, to get the correct size ?
[16:43] <nyov> cking: thankfully thats not necessary, the kernel finds the right workaround and it works. I was just curious if I could fix it, since I already have to fix so much else in the DSDT.
[16:44] <nyov> (stupid notebook can't even wake up from standby)
[17:03] <sdhd-sascha> @tomreyn: right, sync did not work immediately
[17:04] <sdhd-sascha> After some seconds the dir size is corrected
[17:09] <sdhd-sascha> ... just read some solaris posts. I think i can imagine the problem with COW and compression now
[17:10] <sdhd-sascha> Shortest solution could be to iter all files and sum up the size. Or?
[17:39] <sdhd-sascha> Would linux sys_newstat return correct values in all cases? E.g. compression
[18:47] <sarnold> sdhd-sascha: have you seen this yet? https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-May/056654.html
[18:51] <sdhd-sascha> sarnold: not yet. What is the best place for kernel interface documentation ? i found something like "kernel.readthedocs.org"
[18:51] <sdhd-sascha> thank you :-)
[18:51] <sdhd-sascha> My last reading about kernel programming was around 2.2 ~ 2.4 ...
[18:52] <sarnold> sdhd-sascha: there's no single good answer for kernel interface docs; the source code is the source of truth but also hard to digest; the zfsonlinux documentation is among the best documentation around, but is of course a bit specific to its own needs
[18:53] <sdhd-sascha> okay :-) grep'ing the headers :-)
[19:24] <sdhd-sascha> sarnold: just read the thread from the mailing-list. great, thank you, again +1
[19:25] <sarnold> sdhd-sascha: woo, cool :)
[20:41] <tqinli> Hi, I file this bug report 6 months ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1835940, wondering what is the plan to have the fix backport to 4.15 kernel ?


[00:00] <Xase> sarnold, https://pastebin.com/62dH02gj
[00:00] <Xase> Could it have to do with the fact I was previously running bind?
[00:00] <Xase> I'm still new to this, I apologize for any novice level questions.
[00:01] <sarnold> heh, I've never seen dig used with just the @server parameter before..
[00:01] <sarnold> try dig @localhost www.google.com A
[00:02] <Xase> https://pastebin.com/bfsezwMW
[00:02] <Xase> Same with different ID it seems
[00:03] <Xase> This is the tutorial I followed https://webilicious.xyz/linux/complete-powerdns-setup-guide-on-ubuntu-server/
[00:03] <Xase> But I previously had installed bind from another tutorial.
[00:03] <Xase> The tutorial for powerdns shows there should be 1 server, but mine reports 2 servers with DiG
[00:06] <sarnold> Xase: okay, how about asking your server for a record that it should actually have? maybe smy suggestion of google.com was a bad ida
[00:08] <Xase> sarnold I haven't set any up. I was going to set it up to work with ISPConfig.
[02:03] <cryptodan> nacc: I found a stable kernel and distro for my server
[05:39] <lordievader> Xase: I see now that I forgot to ask you yesterday if you were looking for a recursive resolver or an authoritative dns server.
[06:03] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[06:06] <raddy> Is live patching available for Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> raddy: first update your server, 16.04.5 is out
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> raddy: alot of new security flaws came out since
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !livepatch
[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:43] <jelly> but can they live patch from .3 to .5 !
[08:33] <tomreyn> i'm hosting a mirror server for getdeb/playdeb, a now unmaintained third party software repository for ubuntu. there are people using my mirror directly through apt. i'd like to use this opportunity to somehow indicate that they should remove this repository and run ppa-purge against it. is there a way i could send such a message?
[08:34] <tomreyn> i've seen some kind of a redirect to a new hostname with a message (such as this-archive-is-no-longer-maintained.example.org) which then showed up on apt output in the past, but am not sure how to do this or whether it's a good idea.
[08:35] <tomreyn> thuis was an earlier, unrelated occasion where some apt archive did this to send a message
[13:03] <Helenah> Ohai
[13:03] <Helenah> For some reason the Ubuntu launchpad PPA keeps timing out on me, I'm not sure how to fix.
[13:12] <blackflow> Helenah: you could install mtr-tiny and check where the packet flow breaks.     mtr -i 1 -c 5 -r <hostname-or-ip>    it's an advanced tracert tool thingy.
[13:12] <Helenah> hmm
[13:12] <Helenah> I'll give it a try
[13:12] <blackflow> also check if the DNS is resolving, etc...
[13:13] <Helenah> It is
[13:16] <Helenah> blackflow: Could node 7 be the problem? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RbY2tSpbvj/
[13:16] <Helenah> It's never up
[13:18] <blackflow> Helenah: no, it only means that particular node is limiting/dropping icmp packets
[13:18] <blackflow> and loss% is only relevant if the _last_ node _upward_ shows any
[13:19] <Helenah> hmm
[13:19] <blackflow> Helenah: welp looks like networking on your end is fine, the trace goes deep into canonical turf. what's teh PPA url?
[13:19] <Helenah> ppa.launchpad.net
[13:19] <Helenah> Or you mean the full URL?
[13:20] <Helenah> It's the Greek Schools repo
[13:21] <blackflow> I don't know it, can you post it? or better yet, check via browser if it's accessible?
[13:22] <Helenah> blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X2G3zF6gWS/
[13:24] <blackflow> Helenah: well if you can ping or trace up to and including that ip  (use -n for mtr to see IPs), then I doubt there's anything you can do. possibly some transitional issue.
[13:24] <Helenah> I really need this software, it's used for my fat clients.
[13:25] <blackflow> see if you can pull the file directly with wget,  eg.   wget http://ppa.launchpad.net/ts.sch.gr/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ldm/ldm_2.18.06-1+t201807230407~ubuntu18.04.1_amd64.deb
[13:26] <Helenah> blackflow: Worked
[13:26] <Helenah> But with APT, the same packages time out, there is no getting around it...
[13:26] <Helenah> This is a fresh install.
[13:26] <blackflow> try shove it in /var/cache/apt/archives/   and see if apt/dpkg will reuse it from there. Other than putting the file in the apt cache like that, I don't know if anything else needs to be done
[13:57] <ahasenack> Helenah: is apt using a proxy perhaps?
[13:57] <ahasenack> Helenah: check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* and related files, maybe do "grep -i proxy -r /etc/apt"
[13:59] <sdeziel> that ^ or this: apt-config shell PROXY Acquire::http::proxy
[13:59] <ahasenack> is that case insensitive?
[13:59] <ahasenack> looks like
[13:59] <sdeziel> in fact, this seems better: apt-config dump Acquire::http::prox
[13:59] <ahasenack> $ apt-config dump|grep -i proxy
[13:59] <ahasenack> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://squid-ds216.lxd:3128/";
[14:00] <ahasenack> yeah :)
[14:00] <madLyfe> hey sdeziel i have my zfs smb share mounted on windows and nix but i cant seem to write anything to it.
[14:00] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: what is "preparing packages" here, do you know? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3392
[14:00] <sdeziel> madLyfe: by default, zfs filesystems are owned by root so maybe you need to chown some dirs?
[14:00] <ahasenack> the packages are built in the ppa
[14:01] <ahasenack> yeah, first check the unix side: make sure the user you want can write to the dirs/files you want
[14:01] <ahasenack> then repeat over samba
[14:01] <ahasenack> there are layers of permissions here
[14:03] <madLyfe> hmm
[14:03] <cpaelzer> hmm
[14:04] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I'm not remembering the prepare step
[14:04] <ahasenack> I also didn't see it mentioned in the dos
[14:04] <ahasenack> docs
[14:04] <ahasenack> as a status
[14:04] <ahasenack> I did click "build" one more time after the packages were built in the ppa, and bileto wasn't "seeint" that
[14:05] <ahasenack> seeing
[14:05] <cpaelzer> did you hit publish?
[14:06] <ahasenack> no
[14:06] <ahasenack> as usual, when creating the ticket, I forgot to select "cosmic"
[14:06] <ahasenack> it was at its default of zesty or something old like that
[14:06] <ahasenack> so I clicked build again after changing it to cosmic
[14:06] <ahasenack> oh, it moved
[14:06] <cpaelzer> it seems the diff is not created for cosmic
[14:06] <ahasenack> now it's green
[14:06] <cpaelzer> I re-triggered the diff
[14:07] <ahasenack> thanks
[14:07] <ahasenack> I set lander to approved
[14:07] <ahasenack> now it's starting the tests, all looks good
[14:07] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: when you click on diff you'll see a log of the former diffs
[14:07] <cpaelzer> there was none
[14:07] <ahasenack> ok
[14:07] <cpaelzer> despite the old (zesty) diff being exitsing
[14:07] <cpaelzer> so I thought why not re-create
[14:07] <cpaelzer> and that seems to have brought it back to normal
[14:13] <Helenah> ahasenack: It isn't
[14:14] <ahasenack> Helenah: can you pastebin the apt-get update output?
[14:33] <madLyfe> sdeziel: did you use the winbind to sync system users to samba usr db?
[14:37] <sdeziel> madLyfe: I only run smbd so I manually sync the users
[14:37] <sdeziel> madLyfe: I am probably using a weird setup though
[14:38] <madLyfe> atm im the only one accessing the share(from a couple locations), can i have it just inherit the ubuntu server user/pass?
[14:38] <sdeziel> madLyfe: I prefer to decouple the Unix and samba accounts
[14:38] <sdeziel> madLyfe: all my samba users have /bin/false as their shell
[14:40] <madLyfe> sdeziel: /bin/false/ as their shell?
[14:43] <sdeziel> madLyfe: the samba accounts have matching Unix accounts but I set their shell to be /bin/false
[14:44] <sdeziel> madLyfe: the idea is those users can only use samba and not connect to the server using SSH for example
[14:45] <madLyfe> can you sync the unix accounts(only one in my case) and manually add on samba users later? ones that wouldnt be added to the server? or would it sync those as well?
[14:47] <sdeziel> madLyfe: I am not sure I understand your question. How could you sync Unix -> samba is the samba user is only created later?
[14:52] <madLyfe> sdeziel: samba supports the ability(through another installed package?) to sync the systems users/password database? if i only had one user on the system i would only have one in samba. if i was to add more samba users later, would those then get synced to system as well? or is it only a one way sync from system to samba? or do i have the whole thing wrong?
[14:52] <ahasenack> madLyfe: for every samba user, there needs to be a corresponding linux user
[14:53] <ahasenack> to sync passwords, the maybe simplest way (but also error prone?) is via "unix password sync"
[14:53] <ahasenack> you will also need "passwd chat"
[14:53] <ahasenack> I think there is a default/example in ubuntu's smb.conf
[14:53] <ahasenack> but I haven't used that in a while
[14:53] <madLyfe> so useradd also adds that user to the ubuntu server as well?
[14:54] <Helenah> ahasenack: It's an LTSP chroot I'm trying to set up.
[14:55] <franciscodelgado> Hi people!
[14:57] <Helenah> sdeziel: You can configure SSH to only allow users in certain groups to SSH in.
[14:57] <sdeziel> Helenah: yes, I know thanks :)
[14:57] <franciscodelgado> Have an old computer, it was dumped on the trash lol, was wondering about to use it as server with ubuntu server: It's Intel Core 2 Duo e7500 @ 2.93GHZ, 4GB of RAM, 1 160G HDD (for system, i.e.) and another disk with 1TB. x64 arch. processor, what do you think about this for data, download and local apache server?
[14:58] <sdeziel> people really throw away anything...
[14:58] <Helenah> franciscodelgado: In the UK, that's called robbing
[14:58] <xase> Right?
[14:58] <franciscodelgado> Wow so I don't want to live on the UK
[14:58] <Helenah> (Just saying)
[14:58] <sdeziel> franciscodelgado: this would make a pretty decent headless server
[14:58] <franciscodelgado> In spain it's called to take what another ones don't want anymore lol
[14:58] <Helenah> franciscodelgado: I would've done the same thing tho
[14:59] <sdeziel> throwing computers in the trash should be criminal in the UK
[14:59] <Helenah> Core 2 Duo is nice btw, especially for a server.
[14:59] <xase> franciscodelgado, run forensics on it first...
[14:59] <Helenah> sdeziel: Yeah, all those toxins, and that wasted metal
[14:59] <franciscodelgado> Helenah: I feel like a little child on christmas now hahaha
[14:59] <sdeziel> Helenah: yup
[15:00] <ahasenack> madLyfe: /usr/sbin/useradd only cares about linux, and smbpasswd only cares about samba. There are effectively two user databases
[15:00] <franciscodelgado> xase: forensic?
[15:00] <Helenah> I went passed a skip on my estate, it had computers, hifi systems, fridges, freezers, so much electronics, I believed most of it worked and was just thrown because the owner was looking for an excuse to buy new.
[15:00] <ahasenack> after the users are created, then the password can be sort of kept in sync if it's changed via samba. If it's changed in linux, then maybe via a pam module to also change it in samba
[15:00] <ahasenack> madLyfe: it gets complicated the more users you have, that's why such setups normally resort to using ldap
[15:00] <xase> Yeah like scrape the hard drive, make sure there isn't anything useful on it?
[15:00] <sdeziel> franciscodelgado: I run 80% of my home infra on a similar machine also with a Core 2 Duo
[15:01] <xase> You never know.
[15:01] <franciscodelgado> xase, oh right
[15:01] <Helenah> How about you shred the drive? I don't know about the laws in Spain, however in the UK, if there is illicit material on it, for example CP, it's enough to get you put on a criminal register.
[15:01] <xase> Or just wipe the harddrive completely clean first. You don't want to be caught with someone else
[15:01] <franciscodelgado> so I will give a try on it, it's incredibly silent also
[15:02] <Helenah> Don't even check what's on it.
[15:02] <xase> Yeah that Helenah
[15:02] <xase> Just shred it.
[15:02] <madLyfe> ahasenack: that seems way over my head
[15:02] <franciscodelgado> Don't know what the hell was going on with this pc to waste it
[15:02] <Helenah> Checking is a way of incriminating yourself
[15:02] <xase> Helenah, I thought about the CP issue after I said it.
[15:02] <xase> Shred the drive.
[15:03] <franciscodelgado> I think there is an option on ubuntu-server installer to do womething like shred, right? like overwrite it with zeroes or similar
[15:03] <sdeziel> madLyfe: it's simpler than it sounds. The Linux/Unix account is used to access the files on the samba server itself. The samba account is used by clients to authenticate against the server
[15:03] <franciscodelgado> something*
[15:04] <sdeziel> franciscodelgado: before the installer started its thing, you can fire up another console and do something like that: cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda
[15:05] <franciscodelgado> sdeziel: oh, cool, another command to my notebook :D
[15:05] <Helenah> franciscodelgado: If you really want to use the drive, do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda several times
[15:05] <Helenah> You wanna overwrite the shadow several times
[15:06] <franciscodelgado> Helenah, yes, I think it's the best option, clean it all and forget what the HDD could contains
[15:07] <Helenah> franciscodelgado: The idea is to "Not know".
[15:07] <franciscodelgado> Will begin with this tonight
[15:07] <Helenah> You don't wanna have yourself know by checking the drive.
[15:07] <Helenah> Because that's where information slips if you get put under suspicion.
[15:07] <franciscodelgado> Helenah, sorry, maybe it's because of my english, i tried to say "forget the idea of wanting to know what is inside"
[15:08] <Helenah> I understand
[15:08] <franciscodelgado> :D
[15:08] <Helenah> xD
[15:08] <Helenah> There are more non-natives on IRC than there are natives.
[15:09] <franciscodelgado> Yes, and the fact is almost people on IRC speaks in english so, everyone have to learn some to come here
[15:10] <Helenah> It's better to know English anyway, if you have to join a channel like #ubuntu-es, you are missing out on the majority of the community which could've supported you otherwise.
[15:11] <franciscodelgado> of course
[15:14] <sdeziel> franciscodelgado: I use this for extra safety when erasing drives: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rSJhqT2XkR/
[15:15] <franciscodelgado> And, about here in Spain, about CP, if I find a computer or HDD or whatever containing CP the first thing to do is call the police, they will try to find the owner and you will be left on the shadows, you are suposed to be helping them
[15:15] <sdeziel> but now that I look at man shred, it seems that is supports shredding whole drives too
[15:17] <Helenah> In data centres, drives are shredded, even if they are only a week old, if they had somes data on them, they are shredded, never reused.
[15:17] <Helenah> It's to protect the data centre
[15:17] <Helenah> So there is no room for accusions
[15:18] <franciscodelgado> aham
[15:18] <sdeziel> there is shred(1) and shred (physically)
[15:20] <tomreyn> unfortunately the former can't really be relied on.
[15:21] <sdeziel> tomreyn: on files, I'd agree but on whole disks/partitions I'd be much less worried
[15:22] <tomreyn> if its whole disks, i'd rather use ata 'secure' erase, or rather combine the two, but only if i failed to use full disk encryption.
[15:28] <xase> alright... so I purged bind, and reinstalled bind. but I still have my local router ip listening on port 53 AND <IP_ADDRESS> and :::53. I'm having trouble setting up bind for my name servers.
[15:29] <xase> All the tutorials seem to be for local dns. Or isn't quite clear on how to configure for external.
[15:30] <xase> I can't use powerdns which seemed to be a lot easier, it's not supported real well by ispconfig.
[15:51] <Guma> Hello, I was asked to figure out how to setup up a "stage" server for productions machines so they all will point for all updates to our internal server that I need to setup. This server would be a gate keeper between ubuntu server and out production servers. So all of our production servers would be getting updates only from our internal "stage" server. When ever I update stage server then productions machines will upgrade to that version as well. Well
[15:51] <Guma>  in reality there would be development stage server and production stage server. Production stage server would be pointing to development. I never did set this up. Where do I start? Any suggestions or links?
[16:09] <nacc> cryptodan_mobile: nice
[17:03] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: following your freeipa pastebin instructions now (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8pnKw3pHj4/) to see what's going on
[17:13] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: so two things missing from that pastebin so far
[17:13] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: one we talked about, the reboot.
[17:13] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: the other one I just remembered is to make the ip a static one, and not dhcp assigned, to avoid surprises
[17:14] <ahasenack> I'm doing that now over here
[17:17] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: third, I think this answer is wrong:
[17:17] <ahasenack> * Enter an IP address for a DNS forwarder, or press Enter to skip: (machine's IP address)
[17:17] <ahasenack> it's not your own address: it's your home dns,
[17:18] <ahasenack> or the libvirt provided one
[17:18] <ahasenack> using yourself as a forwarder would create a loop
[17:22] <kstenerud_> ahasenack: So if I'm using libvirt provided one, what would it be? Would I find it in resolv.conf?
[17:22] <ahasenack> it would be x.x.x.1
[17:22] <ahasenack> the .1 of the libvirt network
[17:22] <kstenerud_> ok
[17:23] <ahasenack> or, another way, it would be the bridge ip on the host
[17:23] <ahasenack> in my case,
[17:23] <ahasenack> virbr0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
[17:23] <ahasenack>         inet <IP_ADDRESS>  netmask <IP_ADDRESS>  broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:23] <ahasenack> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 is the libvirt "default" network
[17:23] <ahasenack> or, don't set any forwarder, but then you won't take advantage of the host's dns cache
[17:24] <ahasenack> or its knowledge about other libvirt networks
[17:24] <ahasenack> I use squid in a lxd container, in another network, so I use libvirt's .1 DNS so that I can reach the proxy by name
[17:24] <ahasenack> from the vm
[17:25] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: the dns forwarder config means, "forward the dns request to this forwarder if the name being asked is not one of my own zones"
[17:25] <ahasenack> usually that would be the root servers, but if you have a forwarder configured, the forwarder is asked instead
[17:25] <kstenerud_> but if I don't configure a forwarder it should still complete installation, right?
[17:26] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: yeah, that must have been it, the config just finished for me on a brand new vm
[17:26] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: yes, but I haven't gone down that route
[17:26] <ahasenack> in my case it probably wouldn't finish because of my proxy named "squid-ds216.lxd", I would have to replace that with an IP, or not use the proxy
[17:27] <ahasenack> since the root servers don't know about squid-ds216.lxd :)
[17:27] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: I also did the other two changes: fixed ip, and reboot after that
[17:27] <kstenerud_> ahasenack: OK so just to be clear, you used the x.x.x.1 address for the dns forwarder, and also to make the address static, and the reboot?
[17:27] <ahasenack> yes
[17:27] <kstenerud_> ok
[17:27] <ahasenack> now, don't follow the ip tip blindly
[17:27] <ahasenack> make sure your x.x.x.1 is a dns server
[17:28] <ahasenack> try dig with it
[17:28] <kstenerud_> In theory it should work fine with DHCP since I'm only going to run it for a few mins
[17:28] <ahasenack> dig @x.x.x.1 gnu.org
[17:28] <ahasenack> yeah, it's just to avoid surprises
[17:38] <kstenerud_> hmm install failed again :/
[17:39] <ahasenack> did you check /etc/hosts?
[17:39] <ahasenack> you must have something else going on
[17:40] <ahasenack> did you use the bind9 ppa?
[17:40] <kstenerud_> Do you have this in your hosts:
[17:40] <kstenerud_> <IP_ADDRESS>       cosmic-freeipa.example.com      cosmic-freeipa
[17:40] <ahasenack> no, that's what I told you to remove :)
[17:40] <kstenerud_> Without that it won't auto-populate fields
[17:40] <ahasenack> you have to have that entry with the real ip
[17:40] <ahasenack> not 127.x.x.x
[17:40] <ahasenack> and drop the bit without the domain
[17:40] <ahasenack> <IP_ADDRESS> cosmic-freeipa.example.com
[17:41] <ahasenack> just one line, like that
[17:42] <sylario> Hi, I am trying to instal NVM on an ubuntu server, and despite bashrc being modified, it seems the added lines have no effect : https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[17:42] <sylario> Thoses are the lines added in bashrc :
[17:42] <sylario> export NVM_DIR="$HOME/.nvm"
[17:42] <sylario> [ -s "$NVM_DIR/nvm.sh" ] && \. "$NVM_DIR/nvm.sh"  # This loads nvm
[17:42] <sylario> [ -s "$NVM_DIR/bash_completion" ] && \. "$NVM_DIR/bash_completion"  # This loads nvm bash_completion
[17:43] <sylario> But even after a new login, nvm is undefined and $NVM_DIR is empty
[17:44] <sylario> I had no problem installing nvm on a non server ubuntu
[17:44] <ahasenack> sylario: what's with the \.?
[17:44] <sylario> idk
[17:44] <ahasenack> use just ., or replace "." with "source" (no quotes)
[17:44] <ahasenack> and no \
[17:46] <sylario> It changed nothing
[17:46] <sylario> This code is the same on my ubuntu workstation and it works
[17:47] <sylario> And echo $NVM_DIR is still empty
[17:47] <sylario> not sure why
[17:47] <ahasenack> if you source .bashrc, does it get defined?
[17:47] <sylario> Yes, with the first line I posted here
[17:48] <ahasenack> do you have a ~/.profile?
[17:48] <sylario> Thoses line have been added by the nvm install script
[17:48] <ahasenack> that is what sources ~/.bashrc
[17:48] <sylario> yes
[17:49] <ahasenack> do you have a $BASH_VERSION variable defined? Try echo $BASH_VERSION
[17:49] <sylario> 4.3.48(1)-release
[17:49] <ahasenack> also check "getent passwd <youruser>" and confirm that the shell for that user is /bin/bash (it's the last field)
[17:50] <sylario> admin❌1000:1001::/home/admin:/bin/bash
[17:51] <sylario> It seems my bashrc is full of config for color prompt, yet <hen I ssh this server it'sq monochrome
[17:51] <ahasenack> then you will have to trace the login path
[17:52] <ahasenack> check if ~/.bashrc could be exiting before your NVM_DIR addition
[17:52] <sylario> how do I do that?
[17:57] <JanC> sylario: that's usual because the shell on the server doesn't know your terminal can show colours
[17:57] <JanC> usually*
[18:00] <sylario> Is there something I could put in bashrc or profile to check if they have been run?
[18:00] <sylario> How do I debug that?
[18:00] <tomreyn> have them touch a file in /tmp
[18:00] <JanC> they are just shell scripts, so you can echo something or create a file or such
[18:03] <sylario> I added touch /tmp/profile at the start of profile, i delogged relogged, and the file is not in tmp
[18:03] <tomreyn> so your shell is probably bash
[18:03] <sylario> what does that mean?
[18:04] <tomreyn> head -n 5 ~/.profile
[18:05] <sylario> # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells.
[18:05] <sylario> # This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login
[18:05] <sylario> ls -l
[18:05] <tomreyn> that's just 2 of 5 lines, but yes
[18:06] <sylario> I  have no idea what I should conclude from that
[18:07] <tomreyn> so do you have ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login ?
[18:07] <sylario> I have a bash_profile
[18:08] <sylario> ok
[18:08] <tomreyn> well, as the message on top of ~/.profile you just partially quoted says, if you run bash, then ~/.bash_profile (if it exists) is executed instead of ~/.profile
[18:08] <sylario> so RVM tanked my shell
[18:09] <JanC> ~/.bash_profile can source ~/.profile
[18:09] <sylario> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/y0KQ3tPi/
[18:10] <sylario> maybe I can put that in bashrc and delete bash_profile ?
[18:11] <tomreyn> maybe. and maybe the script it sources is not compatible with other shells
[18:12] <tomreyn> * scriptS
[18:14] <sylario> Thanks a lot
[18:14] <sylario> it works!
[18:14] <sylario> I added source ~/.profile
[18:15] <sylario> Now I have coloration in ls
[18:16] <sdeziel> sylario: hmm, aliases for ls are added in the standard .bashrc on Ubuntu IIRC
[18:16] <sdeziel> sylario: weird that you had to do anything to get those
[18:16] <sylario> yes, and my bashrc was not run
[18:16] <sylario> because rvm created a bash_profile
[18:16] <tomreyn> i think ~/.profile sources bash_rc if run by bash
[18:17] <tomreyn> i think ~/.profile sources ~/.bash_rc if run by bash
[18:19] <sylario> now I can install node and npm to restart the cursed deployment tool that use npm and bower and node and ember (and bootstrap)
[18:20] <outernational> howdy. getting "We are currently unable to retrieve the requested key. Please try again later." on https://auth.livepatch.canonical.com/. email is verified.
[18:20] <tomreyn> sylario: had you considered https://github.com/rvm/ubuntu_rvm
[18:21] <sylario> I should try to do more bash instead of doing python/ruby script
[18:21] <sylario> @tomreyn did not knew it existed
[18:21] <sylario> thx
[18:21] <tomreyn> sylario: it's the first thing said under 'basic install' at https://rvm.io/rvm/install
[18:22] <sylario> I installed rvm on this server 5 years ago
[18:22] <tomreyn> maybe you followed some other instructions
[18:22] <tomreyn> i see
[18:23] <tomreyn> 5 years is when ubuntu goes EOl, hope you upgraded in the meantime
[18:23] <sylario> it's ubuntu 18.04
[18:23] <kstenerud_> ahasenack: I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but no matter what it always fails with Unable to retrieve CA chain: [Errno 111] Connection refused
[18:23] <tomreyn> :-)
[18:23] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: did you check /etc/hosts? :)
[18:24] <ahasenack> did you test the forwarder with the dig command?
[18:24] <ahasenack> is the output of the hostname command the fqdn?
[18:24] <sylario> It was an unbuntu 12.04 at first according to the hosting interface
[18:25] <kstenerud_> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/g7qfmwf6P8/
[18:25] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: what is on line 13?
[18:25] <kstenerud_> Not sure. That got added by one of the apt installs I think
[18:26] <kstenerud_> Line 12 is what I added
[18:26] <ahasenack> and when you added it, the other one was there alreayd?
[18:26] <ahasenack> try removing 13 again, and reboot. See if it's cloud-init during boot that is adding it
[18:28] <kstenerud_> yup it got added after reboot
[18:29] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: ok, so it's cloud-init
[18:29] <ahasenack> so
[18:29] <ahasenack> maybe mine isn't messing with it because I supply a custom user-data to import my ssh key, set my local proxy and local ubuntu mirror
[18:29] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: there are a few ways to sort it
[18:30] <ahasenack> hammer, and non-hammer
[18:30] <ahasenack> hammer is "apt purge cloud-init"
[18:30] <ahasenack> non-hammer is to edit /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and remove some lines
[18:30] <ahasenack> maybe these 3:
[18:30] <ahasenack>  - set_hostname
[18:30] <ahasenack>  - update_hostname
[18:30] <ahasenack>  - update_etc_hosts
[19:00] <kstenerud_> ugh it did it again
[19:00] <kstenerud_> hosts is clean. hostname returns fqdn, but I still get connection refused
[19:03] <kstenerud_> This is what I'm doing: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yj35Gp8GSK/
[19:04] <kstenerud_>   [13/28]: publishing the CA certificate
[19:04] <kstenerud_>   [error] RuntimeError: Unable to retrieve CA chain: [Errno 111] Connection refused
[19:05] <sdeziel> kstenerud_: it would be nice to see where it's trying to connect. strace/tcpdump should tell you
[19:06] <dpb1> DNS/Cert/hosts modifications/FreeIPA, what could go wrong!
[19:07] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: do you have cosmic-proposed enabled by any chance?
[19:07] <kstenerud_> grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list returns nothing
[19:07] <ahasenack> the ca server probably failed to start, the logs could tell why, maybe it's obvious in there
[19:08] <ahasenack> but it just worked out of the box for me, in a fresh cosmic vm
[19:08] <ahasenack> and your bind9 ppa
[19:08] <sarnold> kstenerud_: note there's also /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[19:09] <kstenerud_> I'm running all of this in a uvt-kvm created vm. Everything in that pastebin is exactly what I did, in that order
[19:09] <dpb1> can I attempt?
[19:09] <ahasenack> well, we did changes after that pastebin
[19:09] <ahasenack> do you have an updated?
[19:09] <ahasenack> ah, I see
[19:09] <ahasenack> let me check that
[19:10] <kstenerud_> I literally copy-paste that line by line into a terminal
[19:10] <ahasenack> did you test the forwarder with dig?
[19:11] <kstenerud_> yup
[19:11] <ahasenack> the one thing we still have different is that I setup a static ip
[19:11] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yDqsMjSh6T/
[19:13] <dpb1> huh
[19:13] <dpb1> /etc/hostname as the FQDN?
[19:13] <kstenerud_> yup
[19:14] <dpb1> installing from the PPA now
[19:15] <dpb1> hahahaha
[19:15] <dpb1> 402 packages
[19:15] <kstenerud_> :)
[19:15] <ahasenack> dpb1: yeah, freeipa is weird
[19:15] <ahasenack> I think it's a redhat bug, and since they develop on rh...
[19:18] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: in the meantime, can you try to fetch some logs?
[19:18] <ahasenack> like the install log it suggests
[19:19] <kstenerud_> The logs just reiterate the error, and a python stack trace leading to a cli call
[19:19] <dpb1> ok
[19:19] <dpb1> those packages are finished installing
[19:19] <dpb1> now next
[19:21] <ahasenack> no, something must have failed to start, otherwise there wouldn't be a connection refused
[19:21] <ahasenack> check /var/log/pki
[19:22] <kstenerud_> ok hang on I need to rebuild the vm. Running a static address broke things and I can't get into it anymore
[19:23] <ahasenack> you didn't copy mine bit by bit, did you? :)
[19:23] <dpb1> I'm in the magic phase now
[19:23] <kstenerud_> It's the same subnet so it should have worked
[19:23] <ahasenack> but I also had a mac address in there
[19:23] <dpb1> my cpu is really churning
[19:23] <dpb1> it's like I'm on hangouts
[19:23] <kstenerud_> doh!
[19:24] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: careful what you copy and paste from the internet! :)
[19:24] <kstenerud_> lol
[19:24] <ahasenack> the mac address isn't needed
[19:24] <ahasenack> but it was there already, so I kept it
[19:24] <ahasenack> https://netplan.io/examples has a static address config example
[19:24] <kstenerud_> oh just to stop it from cycling ips?
[19:25] <ahasenack> it's what cloud-init generated for me
[19:25] <teward> dpb1: stop mining bitcoins, that'll solve the CPU usage :P  (just kidding xD0
[19:25] <ahasenack> it's a filter
[19:25] <ahasenack> dpb1: check your /etc/hosts, in another terminal probably
[19:25] <dpb1> teward: my nuc has thusfar mined .0000000001 bitcoins, I'm afraid
[19:26] <dpb1> kstenerud_: I'm past the 13/28 failure you pasted earlier at least, still chugging
[19:26]  * dpb1 wonders why he has 3 other uvt-kvm machines
[19:27] <dpb1> ahasenack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jv7ZWgGCbT/
[19:27] <dpb1> note, the magic is still running.
[19:27] <ahasenack> 👍
[19:28] <ahasenack> this thumbs up looks remarkably different from the web page where I copied it from
[19:28] <ahasenack> it's even the wrong hand
[19:28] <kstenerud_> Doesn't render with the default font
[19:29] <dpb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg05oz6pfqf52yu/thumbs.png?dl=0
[19:29] <sarnold> I get a nice square box
[19:29] <sarnold> very solid, sturdy looking
[19:29] <dpb1> hehe
[19:30] <kstenerud_> https://imgur.com/a/ANF6PJH
[19:30] <dpb1> OK, it's done now kstenerud_ I have a nice 'next steps' screen
[19:31] <kstenerud_> using exactly what I posted?
[19:31] <dpb1> yes
[19:31] <kstenerud_> weird...
[19:31] <dpb1> cut-and-paste
[19:31] <dpb1> my uvt-kvm is not virgin, but it's pretty unmodified
[19:31] <kstenerud_> mine is whatever the defaults are
[19:32] <dpb1> that's the ubuntu font, no clue why the emoji doesn't render
[19:32] <dpb1> anyway
[19:32] <teward> dpb1: black magic from the system perhaps?  (Emoji don't work in a lot of IRC clients heh...)
[19:33] <dpb1> teward: ya, I have to admit, I may have done something to get it working.  been a while
[19:33] <teward> i keep having to ask this, is there a way to run package autopkgtests from within a 16.04 system, and if so what's the commands :P
[19:33] <kstenerud_> Rerunning the install with a static address and grabbing lunch brb
[19:33] <dpb1> (I'm on weechat)
[19:33] <dpb1> so terminal comes into play for me
[19:33] <ahasenack> teward: there is a bunch (of commands)
[19:33] <dpb1> kstenerud_: ko
[19:33] <teward> ahasenack: i forget what they are for 16.04's commands, happen to know any of them offhand or where I can find details?
[19:33] <ahasenack> teward: you basically need to setup vms or lxds first, and then run the tests in them with an autopkgtest (or adt?) command
[19:33] <teward> i know they cahnged names between 16.04 and 18.04
[19:34] <ahasenack> teward: are the executables autopkgtest* or adt*?
[19:34] <teward> adt*
[19:34] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: do you have that autopkgtest session noted down somewhere?
[19:34] <teward> and LXD isn't much of a problem, I already use it so I can utilize those pretty well
[19:34] <teward> utilize that environment (and build the LXDs for the autopkgtests)*
[19:35] <ahasenack> teward: here is an irc session I had with kstenerud_ about autopkgtests: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/08/17/%23ubuntu-server.html#t16:59
[19:35] <ahasenack> just rename the autopkgtest prefix to adt I think
[19:35] <ahasenack> or maybe check if there isn't something in xenial backports
[19:36] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: you can put that bind9 mp up I think, with these instructions you have, since they worked for dpb1
[19:36] <dpb1> ahasenack: +1
[19:42] <teward> ahasenack: that helped.  But so did this thing I found: https://people.debian.org/~mpitt/autopkgtest/README.running-tests.html
[19:42] <teward> (google helps?)
[19:42] <teward> (at least to run the basic autopkgtests I need to run)
[19:43] <ahasenack> +1
[20:59] <kstenerud_> OK, MP is in. The fact that different uvt-kvm setups can cause app installs to succeed or fail is worriesome, though
[21:00] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: maybe we can revisit this one at the sprint. You seem to have gotten it to work yesterday
[21:00] <ahasenack> then today all is failing
[21:00] <kstenerud_> yeah :/
[21:02] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: please also mention in the MP (description I think: can't think of a DEP3 header for this now) that debian is using the same patch
[21:02] <ahasenack> we are always conserned with adding delta to debian
[21:02] <kstenerud_> Oh. I got the patch from fedora. Is it in debian?
[21:02] <ahasenack> you can find a link to debian's patch in salsa.debian.org, bind9 project
[21:03] <ahasenack> timo pushed it to debian
[21:03] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeipa/+bug/1769440/comments/56 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeipa/+bug/1769440/comments/59
[21:10] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: take a look at some logwatch bugs, see if perhaps many can be killed in one swoop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/logwatch
[21:10] <ahasenack> all the "unmatched" types
[21:11] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: also, https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+git/bind9/+merge/354002 should be against ubuntu/devel, since cosmic isn't released yet


[03:59] <Unit193> Scroller wheel over the thing, I see the flashing.
[07:36] <ochosi> Unit193: mm, good to know. mind reporting an issue about it? I'll see if I can fix that (pulseaudio's state machine is a little tricky)
[18:52] <longradix> How do you suggest I report the following cosmetic issue?
[18:52] <longradix> (cent upload png files here_
[18:53] <longradix> (Cant upload png files here, so will describe issue instead)
[18:55] <longradix> Create archive function on desktop shows amount of files remaining in non-standard font size. I have configured the font sizes in Appearance to be size 6. Yet "amount of files remaining" in the archiver shows default font size, which I believe is 10.


[04:45] <jibel> hi all
[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[05:51] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:51] <duflu> And back in a bit
[05:52] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:28] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:28] <oSoMoN> and happy Friday!
[06:33] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:38] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel didrocks duflu oSoMoN, and all! happy friday indeed
[06:39] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[06:41]  * marcustomlinson actually woke up yesterday thinking it was friday... 🤦🏻♂ Almost typed 'happy friday' even...
[06:54] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and marcustomlinson
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:03]  * Laney just drank a fly
[08:04] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:04] <Laney> 🤢
[08:05] <oSoMoN> morning Laney, happy flyday!
[08:09] <marcustomlinson> XD
[08:13] <Laney> hey duflu oSoMoN marcustomlinson
[08:13] <Laney> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
[08:13] <marcustomlinson> Laney becomes... flyman!
[08:15] <marcustomlinson> and also, good morning Laney
[08:15] <marcustomlinson> :)
[08:20] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[08:22] <duflu> Hi Wimpress
[08:23] <oSoMoN> hi Wimpress
[08:39] <Laney> sil2100: hey, quick SRU question, would you be OK with a binary copy of yaru-theme from disco -> eoan? seems unnecesasry to me to upload it twice and we'd have to do some medium annoying gymnastics in the git repo to reflect it
[08:44]  * sil2100 looks at the package since it sounds like mostly static theming stuff
[08:45] <Laney> yeah, except it does compile a gresource but that will continue to work
[08:45] <Laney> clobrano: just a heads up, going to upload yaru 19.04.3 now if that's ok with you
[08:46] <Laney> that commit Feichtmeier talked about was already in there, guess he cherry-picked it before or something
[08:46] <Laney> think he was a bit confused about the branching process, which I probably didn't help with by not explaining it well
[08:46] <sil2100> Laney: yeah, this seems fine to me
[08:47] <Laney> sil2100: thx, mind if I ping you in a minute to quickly review? (ok if you're busy, will find someone else)
[08:47] <Laney> it's just that this is blocking the gnome-shell update so would like to restart the clock
[08:47] <sil2100> Sure ;)
[08:51] <clobrano> Laney: hi o/. Yes, go on, no problem for me
[08:53] <Laney> 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
[08:57] <Laney> since yesterday gpg has decided to take 5 minutes to verify things on my machine
[08:58] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdmOVejUlI
[09:11] <Laney> sil2100: ok it's there
[09:12] <sil2100> Laney: on it!
[09:12] <Laney> suggest filtering *upstream* out, that is not shipped
[09:13]  * sil2100 waits for a debdiff
[09:13] <sil2100> (LP is still generating that)
[09:16] <Laney> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:19] <sil2100> grrr, let me just check the contents manually
[09:21] <sil2100> Laney: ok, so upstream you say we don't use, right?
[09:21] <Laney> right, that's for diffing when it gets updated
[09:21] <Laney> yaru is a fork of gnome-shell's theme
[09:26] <sil2100> Laney: accepted o/
[09:26] <sil2100> Laney: please forward copy with binaries once this is built
[09:26] <Laney> sil2100: thanks! yep, will do
[09:26] <sil2100> yw
[09:26] <Laney> clobrano: if you could pull ubuntu/disco and the 19.04.3 tag from my fork please that'll finish this upload off
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, hey, can you help with bug #1830348? I'm not sure what is going on but I've a feeling you might understand that better than me, I would appreciate if you could at least have a quick look
[09:30] <Laney> moin seb128
[09:31] <seb128> (that's one of the flagged new-issue from the software-properties SRU which is blocking it)
[09:31] <Laney> any steps?
[09:31] <seb128> saddly not, but see my comment on the bug
[09:31] <Laney> k thx
[09:31] <seb128> it has some journal errors
[09:32] <Laney> you caught me at a good time before I switched to something else ;-)
[09:33] <seb128> :)
[09:34] <Laney> why is the error tracker so shit lately?
[09:34] <seb128> good question, it's annoying :/
[09:35]  * Laney pinged some people
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, I asked on #is some weeks ago and got that reply "we're hosting it... it's been having issues recently, but I didn't look at it directly."
[09:37] <seb128> and by the time he tried the timeout was gone, I don't think it went further
[09:37] <Laney> nod
[09:37] <seb128> but yeah, should probably properly looked at/RTed or something
[09:38] <Laney> hopefully Brian takes ownership of the issue
[09:40] <seb128> would be nice
[10:17] <clobrano> Laney: am at the pc now, sorry. Could you give me (again) the cmd to pull the tag from your branch? I promise I'll remember next time
[10:22] <Laney> clobrano: something like git pull git@github.com:iainlane/yaru.git ubuntu/disco --tags
[10:25] <clobrano> Laney: thanks and done 👍
[10:25] <Laney> thanks to you!
[13:06] <seb128> Laney, thx for the s-p fix! I tried a bit earlier to trigger the issue using iptables to drop livepatch server replies but that was not enough
[13:11] <seb128> (bah, I miss the ability to simply $vcs merge lp:... , is there a way to do that from the git command without having to  add the remote etc?)
[13:22] <Laney> seb128: see the command I gave to c_lobrano earlier, you can pull from a remote without adding it
[13:22] <Laney> and np
[13:23] <Laney> don't really know why you would get no token 🤷
[13:25] <seb128> arg
[13:25] <seb128> I should have merged/pushed before commenting on that mp :p
[13:26] <seb128> oh not, that's not what happened
[13:26] <seb128> Laney, thx!
[13:32] <Laney> seb128: np, do you want to do the cherry-pick / sru or me?
[13:32] <seb128> Laney, I'm doing it, I just upload to eoan, SRU next
[13:32] <seb128> there are some other fixes needed in the same upload
[13:33] <seb128> bah, bug #1830223, that looks like that glib bug that was fixed but the glib in use shouldn't have the issue, weird
[13:59] <didrocks> lesson learnt: don't be too harsh with your zfs kernel module, you can get stuck with kernel stacktraces, no way to exit your commands and such…
[14:00] <seb128> :(
[14:00] <didrocks> and thus, have to reboot (fortunately, only the zfs commands were harmed)
[14:00] <didrocks> seb128: kind of extremes, creating hundreds of datasets in seconds
[14:00] <seb128> didrocks, that's proper load testing :)
[14:01] <didrocks> seb128: that was supposively grub menu generation tests which turned out into this accidently, yes :p
[14:03] <seb128> hehe
[14:04] <seb128> bah, unsure what to do with the git report for s-p/bionic, someone uploaded another SRU
[14:04] <seb128> but that's going to need to be the one after, now it's in the vcs, tagged etc
[16:56] <Laney> right, that'll do, see you all tuesday (bank holiday monday) - happy weekend!
[17:04] <seb128> Laney, enjoy the long w.e!
[17:04] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[17:08] <oSoMoN> you too seb128
[17:08] <oSoMoN> have a good one Laney
[17:27] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone


[00:44] <PCLine__> Hello everyone.
[00:44] <Unit193> Hallo.
[00:44] <PCLine__> Hi Unit193
[00:44] <PCLine__> how you doing?
[00:45] <Unit193> Alive, I believe.
[00:47] <PCLine__> I think I can verify that you are alive!
[00:48] <PCLine__> The past few days in this part of Ohio has been great.  Nice weather to get tons of stuff done outside!
[04:10] <yano> https://noexc.org/wiki/Main_Page
[04:10] <jenni> [ Northeast Ohio Experimenters Club ] - https://j.mp/1MHa10G
[21:19] <pavlushka> Hello every one!!!
[21:29] <yano> howdy!
[21:30] <pavlushka> yano: doing great, you?
[21:32] <pavlushka> see you tomorrow!
[21:33] <yano> :)


[01:09] <simplew> whats the most recent kernel
[01:12] <simplew> glebihan: hi
[02:32] <simplew> i cant report bugs iin raring, when running ubuntu-bug appears ths:  ERROR: Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress?  Error: No module named 'DLFCN'
[02:33] <bazhang> simplew, dont crosspost raring issues in other channels
[02:34] <simplew> here i dont get any answers...
[02:34] <bazhang> simplew, that is why you need to be patient.
[02:34] <simplew> bazhang: using raring?
[02:36] <bazhang> simplew, why are you using raring? it's in very early development .   bug fixing and testing is what you need to be focused on, not having a usable system
[02:37] <simplew> im used to use development
[02:37] <bazhang> so be patient.
[02:37] <simplew> but i dont know how to turn around this issue
[02:37] <bazhang> and don't crosspost.
[03:58] <omac> hi there can I ask a question about 12.10 here?
[04:07] <SwedeMike> omac: no, #ubuntu for released ubuntu versions.
[05:01] <gnomefreak> anyon eelse having issus with launching apps from panal?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:25] <twager> Running Raring from an hdsc card but cannot install to hdd as the install only goes up the the partition stage...Anyone suceeded in doing an install ?
[15:36] <philinux> twager: see this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081344
[15:53] <twager> philinux, Thanks for the info. Will keep it on the card 64 g so it should last quite well
[16:02] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[16:05] <BluesKaj> twager, I used the edit sources.list with the sed method shortly after the toolchain was uploaded , and I've been updating/upgrading /dist-upgrading eever since to keep the packages coming down the pipe.
[17:53] <twager> BluesKaj, Thanks  .I had completely forgotten  that
[18:09] <BluesKaj> here's the Kubuntu 13.04 alternate install image site, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[19:36] <genii-around> Is anyone besides me unable to run any gtk apps with nvidia driver loaded?
[19:37] <trism> just about to upgrade I'll let you know
[19:42] <genii-around> Cool.
[19:47] <bjsnider> is there an error message?
[19:47] <bjsnider> if not, what does .xsession-errors say?
[19:49] <genii-around> There seem to be no errors. I'm in KDE. If I run for instance gimp or firefox, after about 5-7 seconds they are unresponsive and have to be killed. But they aren't chewing up resources , just unresponsive
[19:50] <genii-around> Going to try loading into some other desktop, be back
[20:18] <genii-around> Worked in xubuntu but not lubuntu ( it ran firefox ok but as soon as I closed it the desktop locked up and stayed that way). Pastebin of  ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log  and .xsession-errors  up to that point: .http://paste.ubuntu.com/1340789/
[20:23] <genii-around> When I run firefox in KDE from Konsole, it freezes on those same last two lines, "(firefox:4301): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_error_trap_pop: assertion `gdk_error_traps != NULL' failed" and "Running global cleanup code from study base classes."
[20:29] <trism> genii-around: strange, it seems to be working alright from gnome
[20:29] <genii-around> Hm
[20:30] <trism> genii-around: bug 1075928 has that error in 12.10 so might not be related
[20:31] <genii-around> I'm installing gnome-session to test that too
[21:02] <genii-around> Meh. gnome-session won't even load up. Unity is still screwy for me right now too, http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2012-11-07_15_54_43-sXzEQcj5.png shows the artifacts on it
[21:03] <trism> genii-around: which nvidia version are you using?
[21:06] <genii-around> trism: nvidia-current-updates   ... 304.51-0ubuntu1
[21:07] <trism> genii-around: using nvidia-current here, let me try the -updates version
[21:08] <trism> genii-around: though 304.51 was supposed to be a bit bugged in unity
[21:12] <genii-around> Going to revert to 304.43 and see if it makes a difference, back in a bit
[21:19] <trism> oh seems -updates was 304.64, must have looked at the wrong system
[21:34] <bjsnider> the unity issue was fixed in 60, and 64 has since been released
[21:34] <bjsnider> yesterday in fact
[21:46] <genii-around> Same symptoms with both 304.43 and 304.51. Might be something deeper in my box, it's been continuously release-upgraded from 8.04 without a clean install.
[21:47] <bjsnider> the latest stable blob is 64
[21:47] <bjsnider> not 51
[21:50] <genii-around> bjsnider: I manually tried 60 when it came out because the changelog said they had some Unity fixes, but it wasn't any better. So I did the --uninstall and reverted to the default nvidia-current-updates  which is the 304.51
[21:50]  * genii-around ponders trying 64
[21:50] <bjsnider> manually installing the blob may destroy mesa files
[21:51] <bjsnider> which is why nvidia suggests using distro packages instead
[21:51] <bjsnider> if you go to #nvidia, it's in the topic
[21:51] <bjsnider> but what do i know
[21:51] <trism> shouldn't need to anyway, I was incorrect about the version before, nvidia-current-updates in raring is 304.64
[21:52] <bjsnider> and for the other distros, 64 is in x-updates
[21:52]  * genii-around checks his mesa files
[21:52] <bjsnider> no idea what the excuse could be for using 51
[21:53] <bjsnider> check for mesa's libgl.so
[21:53] <bjsnider> nvidia uses its own and brute force annihilates anything that's in the way
[21:56] <genii-around> bjsnider: Thanks for the tip
[21:57] <bjsnider> genii-around, the nvidia-installer probably warned you when you tried to install it, and you probably ignored the warning
[23:48] <mspencer> Will replacing quantal with raring in /etc/apt/sources.list produce the same system as would installing using a daily build cd?
[23:49] <Daekdroom> mspencer, nope.
[23:49] <Daekdroom> I mean, not necessarily.
[23:50] <mspencer> what is the difference? Will it affect bug fix testing?
[23:50] <Daekdroom> Due to default settings changing throughout the development and some deprecated/not-default-anymore packages might remain installed.
[23:51] <Daekdroom> Well, bug fix testing is supposed to take place too for upgraded systems, but changing sources.list is not an official upgrade way, so I'm not sure.
[23:51] <mspencer> So to test bug fixes, I'll want to use the cd image?
[23:52] <Daekdroom> It's better if you do, I suppose.
[23:52] <mspencer> thanks!


[04:12] <nhaines> I am happy because I learned the OCLUG installfest date in May and no one else knows it yet.
[04:28] <rww> lol
[04:36] <nhaines> rww: it's helpful because 1) I'm running it and 2) I need to create promotional material.  :P


[04:12] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master ec1e42e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series ubuntu/configure_login_screen.patch ubuntu/main-Support-loading-multiple-Yaru-theme-variants.patch * debian/patches: Ensure GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR is honored in tests * https://deb.li/Jp2E
[05:38] <KGB-0> gnome-shell signed tags 1716e0e Marco Trevisan ubuntu/44_beta-1ubuntu1 * gnome-shell Debian release 44~beta-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3bMvg
[05:39] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 2be6f38 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ubuntu/ configure_login_screen.patch gdm_alternatives.patch search-call-XUbuntuCancel-method-on-providers-when-no-dat.patch * debian/patches/ubuntu: Fix description typos to mute lintian * https://deb.li/3gVSN
[05:39] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 6570a72 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/iOxnx
[05:39] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master d98bd3f Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Upload to lunar * https://deb.li/kcK2
[06:33] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator tags 1ca1943 Marco Trevisan upstream/47 * Upstream version 47 * https://deb.li/3fJud
[06:34] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator pristine-tar ec1d97a Marco Trevisan (Treviño) gnome-shell-extension-appindicator_47.orig.tar.gz.delta gnome-shell-extension-appindicator_47.orig.tar.gz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extension-appindicator_47.orig.tar.gz * https://deb.li/fMnl
[12:31] <luna> Firefox 110.1 is released on Tuesday next week
[12:58] <jbicha> happy Friday!
[13:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master a7910e2 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 197 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/6UOG
[13:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master e911f7d Alexander Mikhaylenko panels/mouse/assets/ (8 files) * mouse: Fix swapped scroll direction videos * https://deb.li/3SsY7
[13:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 34d67d3 Yuri Chornoivan po/uk.po * Update Ukrainian translation * https://deb.li/NerU
[13:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 42f05e5 Fran Dieguez po/gl.po * Update Galician translation * https://deb.li/iwdmM
[13:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master e8afa43 Hari Rana shell/cc-window.ui * primary-menu: Rename to Main Menu * https://deb.li/KUDI
[13:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ec4e851 Sabri Ünal po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://deb.li/3PdsA
[14:14] <GunnarHj> jbicha: But #2008279 got even more confusing, at least for me.
[14:14] <GunnarHj> bug #2008279
[14:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2008279 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "xsettings ibus commit broke text input for Firefox & Chromium snaps" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008279
[16:33] <luna_> found it #ubuntu-on-air there is soon a stream about the new minor LTS version updates
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> luna_: Can we stop with the drive-by status updates?
[16:37] <luna_> sure, was just looking for the IRC channel as there soon is a stream about the new minor LTS releases
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> luna_: There was no context in here.
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> luna_: That said, you are chronically cross-posting, and it looks like simulposting.
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> Either way, not a discussion I want to have in here.
[16:42] <luna_> ok
[17:03] <luna_> is todays Indaba cancelled? not seeing any stream on Youtube
[17:09] <luna_> Delayed until 5th March lets watch Mountainbytes demoparty then
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[00:03] <cahoots> WaV, where are you in my time of need
[00:49] <sem> cahoots: were you able to boot up in safe graphics mode
[00:55] <cahoots> sem, i can boot to a console if that's what you mean
[00:56] <sem> No there's a way to boot into a Fail-Safe graphics driver
[00:56] <sem> It will let you use the GUI tools at least somewhat
[00:57] <sem> https://askubuntu.com/questions/901326/how-to-start-a-fail-safe-graphics-session-with-mouse-web-browser#901327
[00:58] <sem> Hopefully that will let you sort out the drivers a bit easier
[00:58] <cahoots> sem, what troubleshooting tips do you recommend at that point
[00:58] <cahoots> because i tried hitting esc and shift at startup but neither worked. but i'm quite comfortable with the terminal
[00:59] <sem> If I were you, I would first get a ububtu live USB and see if it correctly auto detects the right drivers and works
[00:59] <sem> If it does or doesn't that gives you good information
[01:01] <sem> Are you able to see the grub boot menu at all? I would mash esc or shift or whatever key you think would bring it up until you get the menu
[01:02] <cahoots> i'm not able to see the grub boot menu, but i am able to see the console with ctrl-alt-f3. from there, i can get it to show me that nvidia-driver-535 is installed
[01:06] <Bashing-om> cahoots: EFI system ? Then it is the escape key that grub looks our for - spam it soon as the bios screen clears - a 3 second window of oportunity.
[01:07] <sem> So if I were you I would try the live boot, and next I would get grub and boot into failsafe graphics. I love the commandline but for graphics driver problems I would want to use the drivers gui
[01:09] <cahoots> Bashing-om, i don't see a bios screen when it boots, even when i don't press anything
[01:11] <sem> Depending on your system it might have a quiet bios screen -- just start tapping escape as soon as you turn it on until you see something... You might want to look around in bios too and see what it says about which graphics card it's using before the OS loads
[01:11] <cahoots> tty3 gives me console, tty2 shows me a login screen. so the graphics work there, but if i log in to my usual account, the screen goes black
[01:17] <cahoots> sem, if i make a live USB would that maybe cause it to boot to the USB and i don't have to figure out the shift vs. esc thing?
[01:18] <sem> The reason you would boot from USB is to see if everything automatically works correctly, and if so, see which driver "Additional Drivers" says it's using
[01:19] <sem> Then you could boot back up into your installation and use that driver
[01:20] <sem> If it doesn't work automatically in the live USB then you have to troubleshoot more
[01:21] <sem> You could try sudo apt install nvidia-driver-470 and just see what happens
[01:22] <cahoots> true that... but why 470 specifically?
[01:22] <sem> That's the one WaV suggested?
[01:22] <sem> You can always change it again if it doesn't work
[01:25] <sem> One possibility is that by doing a manual install earlier, something complicated your system depending on what you did... That is why I recommend the live USB to verify that it _does_ work in a vanilla environment
[02:12] <mBodoMi> ok.
[02:12] <mBodoMi> hi all
[02:23] <cahoots> sem, so i made a new user account, same os install, and the graphics work for this account with the nvidia driver installed. any ideas what to do next?
[02:25] <sem> cahoots: you have to configure the old account to use the same driver the new one is using
[02:26] <cahoots> sem, both use the same driver. i actually installed it when i was on the old account, and on this new account it's using the same newly installed driver
[02:27] <sem> Out of curiosity how do you see which driver it is using, or trying to use
[02:29] <cahoots> sem, i go to "Additional Drivers..." and i see it uses nvidia-driver-535. although fyi, i removed the blacklist for nouveau's driver (chatgpt said it might help)
[02:30] <sem> I thought you didn't have a GUI for the first account still ?
[02:31] <cahoots> when i uninstall the nvidia drivers and reboot, i can log into the first account. from there i reinstalled the drivers, and when i rebooted, i was once again no longer able to log into that account without hitting a black screen
[02:32] <cahoots> do note that my display's hdmi cable is plugged into the motherboard's hdmi port. i plan on only using the nvidia gpu for gpgpu
[02:32] <sem> Just don't reinstall the drivers then? Use the ones that work
[02:34] <cahoots> well it "works" in that i can log onto the new account i made. but my old account still hits the issue
[02:34] <cahoots> so either i have to move all my stuff over from the old account, or fix whatever difference there is between the two accounts
[02:35] <sem> I think the old account is configured to use a driver that's not working or not installed maybe
[02:36] <cahoots> when i run nvidia-smi for the old account, i get what i expect, nvidia 535
[02:37] <sem> Maybe it is the right driver but the wrong settings
[02:37] <cahoots> sem, you mean maybe the settings differ between the two accounts? how would i check this
[02:38] <sem> And if you could delete or reset the settings it might recreate them with the working defaults
[02:38] <sem> See if there is a way to log what happens when you try to login and it fails
[02:38] <sem> It might give a clue
[02:38] <cahoots> sem, which logs would i check
[02:40] <mBodoMi> i got a quite rare and strange problem
[02:40] <sem> I'm not sure? Login logs, graphical driver logs? Wayland, or Xorg. You could look in /var/log/syslog first and see if anything jumps out at you, or try dmesg
[02:41] <sem> Try to figure out how to get a log of the login process... I think it is called gdm or lightdm
[02:41] <cahoots> ok tt
[02:41] <cahoots> *ty
[02:41] <sem> Good luck!
[02:41] <cahoots> the devil's operating system
[02:41] <mBodoMi> the c64 wifi modem can telnet into Ubuntu PC // Raspbian but cli programs lack
[02:42] <mBodoMi> a terminfo descriptor
[02:43] <leftyfb> mBodoMi: what is your issue with ubuntu?
[02:44] <mBodoMi> its not ubuntus problem its just the telnet program on mz  C=64 is not really
[02:44] <mBodoMi> supported
[02:44] <mBodoMi> my
[02:44] <leftyfb> mBodoMi: this wouldn't be the place to get help with that
[02:44] <leftyfb> we can only support ubuntu here
[02:45] <mBodoMi> its a general  linux telnet on Commodore problem
[02:45] <leftyfb> mBodoMi: then try #linux
[02:45] <mBodoMi> ok
[02:46] <sem> leftyfb do you know what would cause the GUI to stop working once you login on Ubuntu? Or where that gets logged?
[02:46] <leftyfb> sem: 1 user works and another user does't?
[02:46] <leftyfb> doesn't*
[02:47] <sem> Yeah I think, according to cahoots
[02:47] <leftyfb> cahoots: ?
[02:47] <sem> I thought maybe if you could start gdm from the virtual console, you could see where it is going wrong?
[02:48] <sem> gdm is the gnome session manager right?
[02:48] <sem> Not lightdm
[02:50] <sem> gdm3
[02:56] <lagunaloire123> say does anyone at ubuntu know why chromium-bsu game mouse doesn't work right with gnome on wayland but works fine with gnome classic on xorg
[02:56] <lagunaloire123> this kind of garbage is exactly why people pay money for a decent final fantasy 7 game that just works...and did i say works
[02:58] <leftyfb> !bug | lagunaloire123
[02:58] <leftyfb> lagunaloire123: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-bsu
[02:59] <leftyfb> sorry https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-bsu
[02:59] <lagunaloire123> leftyfb hey guy i never could even figure out how to file a bug with bugzilla on old mozilla stuff many many years ago and you are asking me that
[03:00] <leftyfb> lagunaloire123: the link ubottu gave you tells you exactly how to file a bug
[03:01] <leftyfb> though it does look like the source code hasn't been touched in over 6 years. That might be why it doesn't support wayland
[03:01] <lagunaloire123> leftyfb...well when they quit trying to make it some impossible to comprehend rocket science....SCIENCE...the enemy of HOLY and HOLY Matrimony like AERIS gift that her mother gave her
[03:02] <leftyfb> lagunaloire123: random rants are offtopic here.  This is a support channel. Go troll elsewhere
[03:05] <lagunaloire123> leftyfb...yea yea..out a here...just a note to say chromium-bsu doesn't seem to play well with gnome on wayland
[06:11] <JoeLlama> what is the name of the power manager under LXQt?  The process?
[06:13] <Bashing-om> JoeLlama: tlp ??
[06:14] <JoeLlama> tlp?
[06:14] <JoeLlama> I look thanks
[06:15] <JoeLlama> how do I work with processes?  GUI interface?
[06:21] <jason> hello guys how are you doing today
[10:21] <CoOlGhOsT> Someone around with dkms experience to help setting up a simple module to be handled automatically on each kernel update? Its getting tedious to do each time and my sound is not working unless done (imac)...
[12:53] <Guest93> Hell
[12:53] <Guest93> Hello
[12:54] <Guest93> I'm receiving a strange error. I made a screencast and all I do is 2 backspaces? https://dpaste.org/i77h9
[12:54] <Guest93> Invalid YAML: inconsistent indentation
[13:06] <Filohuhum> Guest93, probably the line with   "stp: false" is the p'roblem
[13:06] <Filohuhum> problem*
[13:16] <Guest93> Filohuhum, how, as the error says line 10:7:, which is enp3s0?
[13:24] <rogel> hello im having troubles to install nodejs can somebody help me
[13:26] <rocker22> New install - was nvidia 1650 - boot errors - "report error" - changed to old radeon - works good now - still - "report problem"
[13:27] <rocker22> completely un installed anything nvidia
[13:29] <rocker22> the whole team is experiencing a hangover - back later.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:20] <CosmicDJ> BluesKaj: state your business ;)
[14:22] <jscript_> or face cosmic judgment :D
[14:27] <BluesKaj> heh, same goes for you guys
[14:28] <CosmicDJ> BluesKaj: I'm just here to have an excuse to let my machine run 24/7 ;)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> CosmicDJ, you don't need irc for that :-)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> mine's on all the time unless there's a power interrupt
[17:03] <Moejr> anyone?
[17:04] <Moejr> anyone here?
[17:04] <Moejr> wanna talk?
[17:05] <Moejr> hello?
[17:05] <Maik> !topic Moejr
[17:05] <Moejr> hey Maik!
[17:06] <Moejr> can you read my messages??
[19:29] <frib> when running my application through systemd, it fails to listen on interface with external IP. what am I doing wrong?
[19:30] <frib> are some permissions required?
[19:30] <rbox> what is failing
[19:30] <rbox> what is the error
[19:30] <rbox> how are you running it "through" systemd
[19:30] <rbox> how do you run it not that way
[19:31] <ecapi> rbox, are those your questions or rasculs?
[19:36] <frib> I created a simple config following this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/478999/how-can-i-make-an-executable-run-as-a-service
[19:36] <frib> running #systemtl start myservice
[19:37] <frib> trying to check output via journalctl -u myservice but there doesn't appear to be any error output
[19:37] <leftyfb> frib: pastebin the error
[19:37] <leftyfb> frib: also, aren't you using sudo to enable and start the service?
[19:37] <frib> there is no error # = sudo right?
[19:38] <leftyfb> frib: if there's no error, then how do you know what is wrong?
[19:39] <frib> I'm checking ss -tlnp and I See the port is not being listened on, and the thread that would normally listen is not started, so there was an issue listening/binding
[19:40] <frib> The thread that listens on <IP_ADDRESS> starts without issue
[19:41] <frib> but yeah if I run it through terminal simply as ./myapp it has no issue listening on <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:41] <frib> LISTEN     0          5                      <IP_ADDRESS>:22500
[19:50] <morgan-u2> I would like to complainthat the "software update information and request window/dialog box does not come to the front/ontop.  It kills chrome instead. I dont even get a notification "up there". It would be nice if this were attended to. = Not ready for average OS user = Not ready for Prime Time (is an expression that totally dates me to Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In way back int 'was it 60's - I cantlookit up
[19:50] <morgan-u2> because my chrome is lying on the ground bleeding, waiting for the Jesus process.)
[19:50] <morgan-u2> Yes, I intended to be funny.
[19:52] <morgan-u2> I want to be able to recommend Ubuntu and not have some silly little thing like this frustrate people right back to WinMac.  --  What about a variant called Automated Ubuntu.. given one ocnfiguration, it works.  -- oh yes, that's what Gnome should be.
[19:52] <morgan-u2> Maybe this belongs in "offtopic"
[19:52] <rbox> well complanining on irc doesn really do much
[19:53] <rbox> besides annoy people
[19:53] <gordonjcp> morgan-u2: if people are likely to be put off by Chrome restarting when it updates, they're unlikely to be happy with any OS
[19:54] <gordonjcp> morgan-u2: generally people using Linux are doing so because it is a tool for a job
[19:54] <gordonjcp> I use Linux because I've been using it since before Windows was really a thing, because I'm old
[19:55] <gordonjcp> so my views on it may be skewed by that
[19:55] <gordonjcp> but I've been installing Ubuntu on non-technical people's computers for probably about ten years now
[19:56] <gordonjcp> particularly as people turn to things like Office 365 on the web rather than "local" apps, it just gets easier and easier
[19:57] <morgan-u2> gordonjcp, that was not my issue. It freezes chrome for a while. I have gotten smart. I checked the Anarchy icon in the dock and chrome was killed. It would have happened eventually.  --- People expects that the system will request a restart. That is polite and good process. imho
[19:57] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: I've been using ubuntu since 2007 and have never come across your stated issue. On my machine or the hundreds of other workstations I have setup for other people including the 50+ on my team at work all running Ubuntu 20.04 and 22.04
[19:57] <leftyfb> !bug | morgan-u2
[19:57] <morgan-u2> well I have a Acer and a dell that both do that. (I will have to recheck the dell as it has been off for over a year.)
[19:58] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: btw, google chrome is not a supported application here. Though I will say it is my primary browser and have never come across your issue. The software center should have no affect on chrome
[19:59] <morgan-u2> It used to be much worse. I would much rather have Chrome be killed than have it freeze up the compute like it used to (oh that was the Dell) and I would have to do a hard reboot. Yes yes, I had mentioned that with 20.04
[20:00] <morgan-u2> Is FF the supported brower?  I had it happen once with FF.   II am kind of addicted to my chrome bookmarks.) If it is the supported browser then I will make another effort to switch to the firefox.
[20:01] <morgan-u2> leftyb ^^
[20:01] <leftyfb> yes
[20:01] <rbox> you can export bookmarks...
[20:01] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, thatnks for the ubottu bug reference.
[20:02] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: to be clear, you clearly have other issues with your machine that should be addressed
[20:02] <morgan-u2> OK thanks.
[20:14] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, rbox gordonjcp  _>Something good I didnt expect. For the first tiem after being killed (by the OS?) chrome did nit abend. (does that word date me?) I clicked on a browser link and chrome came back with all the open tabs. - Thanks team.
[20:15] <morgan-u2> respell - time, not
[20:49] <frib> looks like the thread is just not receiving the signal to the condition variable to resume when run through systemd, but when run through cli it does?
[21:48] <mint> ?
[21:50] <k4k0> ??
[23:01] <morgan-u2> Please how do you minimize all windows (to see the desktop) or go to the next workspace (which accomplishes the same thing visually)
[23:01] <morgan-u2> gnome 22.04
[23:08] <zniavre> morgan-u2,  super+d
[23:08] <zniavre> and ctrl+alt+right/left arrow
[23:16] <morgan-u2> thanks, I forgot about the d.   zniavre  WHAT IS THE KEYSTROKE TO GET THE LIST OF SHORTCUTS. (HOWSOON i FORGET...)
[23:16] <morgan-u2> oops. I type looking at keys
[23:17] <morgan-u2> but use the right fingers.


[23:14] <slangasek> bkerensa: so when are we having a knitting day at the Mozilla office?
[23:14] <bkerensa> When would you like to do this and who would come?
[23:14] <bkerensa> bkero: Anyday would work fine right? I should just let Sam know?
[23:15] <bkero> bkerensa: You should definitely let Sam know.
[23:15] <bkerensa> :)
[23:15] <bkero> bkerensa: I would say Monday the 23rd?
[23:15] <bkero> Err, Tuesday the 24th
[23:15] <bkerensa> slangasek: ^
[23:15]  * bkerensa looks at his calendar
[23:15] <bkerensa> works for me
[23:16] <slangasek> bkerensa: I imagine the ex-OSDL posse would come, and maybe OSUOSL / CAT people
[23:16] <slangasek> and maybe some misc other Canonicalers?
[23:16] <bkero> I might be able to get a Googler to come
[23:16] <bkerensa> slangasek: should be fine
[23:16] <slangasek> "a googler" who's not also ex-OSDL posse?
[23:16] <slangasek> bkerensa: do you need RSVP's head counts, or should I go ahead and tell people to show up on the 23rd?
[23:17] <slangasek> that's "RSVPs / head counts"
[23:17] <bkerensa> slangasek: If it is during normal office hours I do not think so... just sign in
[23:17] <slangasek> ok
[23:17] <bkerensa> it just needs advanced notice to receptionist who relays the info to someone at corporate
[23:17] <slangasek> cool
[23:18] <slangasek> that means I can also poke Lance about coming up and bringing Debian's SWARM server that apparently needs servicing
[23:20] <bkerensa> slangasek: so looks like a ServiceNow request is being put in for the 24th
[23:20] <slangasek> woohoo
[23:20] <bkerensa> I do not know the actually address
[23:20] <bkerensa> bkero will have to tell u
[23:20] <bkerensa> I just know where it is
[23:21] <bkero> I can't respond much right now, please believe me when I say I'm very busy.
[23:21] <bkerensa> :D
[23:21] <bkerensa> kk
[23:21] <bkero> I have a presentation tonight at 6pm and am rushing to 1) write the tool I will be presenting, 2) documenting it, and 3) making a presentatoin
[23:21] <bkerensa> nice
[23:23] <bkerensa> slangasek: is there a time these were usually held at? Start/Finish?
[23:24] <slangasek> bkerensa: well, when they were being done at the OSU offices, they started at "whenever people got managed to get their asses downtown" and ended at "beer o'clock"
[23:24] <slangasek> the latter tended to be 4pm
[23:24] <bkerensa> lol
[23:24] <slangasek> the former was never earlier than 9am AIUI, though some of us have early morning conference calls and stuff that keep us from arriving before 10,11