[12:08] <danex> Imacd I will post the results later
[12:08] <macd> since itunes librarys are XML and amaroks dynamic playlists are XML, thats a yes.
[12:08] <danex> macd thanks
[12:09] <kickass331> Ok I installed it, but it isn't working completely
[12:11] <Argail> i am trying to import a key for automatix but i get gcc - command not found,i have installed gcc-4.0 base,do i need to install gcc-4.0 also?
[12:11] <macd> Argail importing keys has nothing todo with GCC.
[12:12] <obf213> anyone here know how to make a c program on k developer
[12:12] <Argail> well i read that i have to run this command "gcc -impor key.gpg.asc"
[12:12] <word> I just put in a new sata hd..how do i mount it?
[12:12] <Argail> i run it but i get what i told before
[12:12] <macd> Argail not gcc, gpg :P
[12:12] <Argail> ok,looks lype a typo mistake on the article
[12:12] <obf213> i but in some sample code for hello world and it never give me the option to buil the program, but when i open the premaide code its the same so why can i build mine
[12:13] <Argail> true,under that it has gpg -export
[12:13] <macd> obf213 try gcc input.c -o output in console.
[12:14] <macd> if that doesnt work, then you dont have a compiler installed, thus kdevelop cant compile.
[12:14] <obf213> no such files
[12:14] <obf213> no directory imput.c it says
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Argail, just go here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[12:14] <obf213> input.c*
[12:15] <macd> obf213, obviously replace input.c with YOUR c program
[12:15] <jon_> can anyone tell me what error code 1 means
[12:15] <crimsun> in what context?
[12:15] <macd> jon_ error code 1 in what context?
[12:16] <macd> to late ;)
[12:17] <paul_> macd: i'm trying to install automatix, but i cant save anything to sources.list
[12:17] <macd> paul_ : sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <macd> must be root privilages :P
[12:18] <paul_> do i type that in konsole?
[12:18] <macd> yes sir
[12:18] <excitatory> no
[12:18] <excitatory> use nano
[12:18] <excitatory> pico is probably not on your system
[12:18] <macd> it doesnt matter.
[12:18] <macd> pico installs by default.
[12:18] <excitatory> ah, you're right
[12:18] <excitatory> hey presto!
[12:19] <jon_> macd  E: sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:19] <jon_> in regards to mldonkey
[12:19] <jon_> it didnt work when i installed it, and it wont uninstall
[12:19] <macd> are you trying to sudo apt-get remove mldonkey ?
[12:20] <jon_> yes i tried that and tried through synaptic as well
[12:20] <jon_> same error
[12:20] <obf213> macd do i how do i type in the info
[12:20] <obf213> it wont let me cd to the directory
[12:20] <macd> obf213 type what info? and what directory do you have your C project saved in?
[12:21] <obf213> its in the desktop in a folder
[12:21] <word> !sata
[12:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about sata - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:21] <macd> word, new sata drive?
[12:21] <obf213> cd */Desktop doesnt work anymore
[12:21] <word> yes macd
[12:21] <macd> obf213: cd ~home/Desktop
[12:21] <TheGateKeeper> !info sata
[12:21] <ubotu> Package sata does not exist in dapper
[12:21] <word> macd: do you know what i need to do ?
[12:21] <macd> word, well is that the second harddrive
[12:22] <obf213> macd i got an error
[12:22] <obf213> timi@timi-laptop:~$ pwd
[12:22] <obf213> /home/timi
[12:22] <_david> hola a todos
[12:22] <word> macd: yes
[12:22] <macd> obf213 : cd /home/timi/Desktop
[12:22] <macd> word, great, then just goto fstab and add the following:
[12:22] <obf213> thanks
[12:23] <Smooph> obf213: its cd ~/Desktop not cd */Desktop
[12:23] <macd> word actualy have you ran kpartd or something yet to partition and format the drive?
[12:24] <word> no not yet uh
[12:25] <macd> ahh, well go into kde menu, system settings, disks, and partition and format it, I think there also are provisions for adding to fstab, so that it wil mount.
[12:25] <paul_> macd: what do i do after i open up that little thing in konsole
[12:25] <macd> paul_ you were trying to add the automatix repo?
[12:26] <word> macd: what do i put for the device /dev/sda1?
[12:26] <macd> word, its prolly /dev/sda1 yes.
[12:26] <paul_> idk, it said on the site to add a certain line to sources.list, so that's what i did, but i had that problem with permission
[12:26] <macd> sata is treated as scsi, so that should be correct
[12:27] <macd> paul_ yes then add that line
[12:27] <macd> then hit crtl + x then choose to save
[12:27] <obf213> hey macd nothing happened i tried to open the hello word file that comes intalled with kdeveloper this gcc way and it didnt work
[12:27] <macd> then follow the further instructions
[12:27] <obf213> no error or anything i just didint c it open
[12:27] <macd> your not trying to open the file, your trying to compile it.
[12:27] <obf213> o ok
[12:27] <word> macd er that doesn't partition it it seems
[12:27] <djk_> is it common that 6.06 install doesn't get past 'loading hardware drivers' ?
[12:27] <paul_> macd: ok gotcha
[12:28] <macd> djk_ sometimes, dbal takes a while
[12:28] <macd> let it sit for a few more minutes.
[12:28] <macd> word, interesting, try /dev/hdb1
[12:28] <jon_> macd do you know what i can do to fix my problem?
[12:28] <macd> word heh actualy, try /dev/sda
[12:29] <macd> jon_ that error code 1 usualy means your out of disk space.
[12:29] <djk_> macd: i did.. whatever happened to the simple install of the previous releases?
[12:29] <macd> dappers livecd install is as easy as it gets.
[12:29] <macd> let it load in the graphical desktop click the install icon and watch it go
[12:29] <jon_> i have 22G available
[12:29] <djk_> macd: if it works, perhaps..
[12:29] <macd> djk_  given ;)
[12:30] <macd> reboot, try again
[12:30] <macd> jon_ : try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get remove mldonkey
[12:30] <obf213> macd i got this error line when i tried with my own program
[12:30] <obf213> ljnln.c:6:2: warning: no newline at end of file
[12:30] <djk_> macd: na, installed 5.10 again
[12:30] <macd> ahhh
[12:30] <macd> I have great luck with dapper
[12:30] <_david> alguien habla espaol
[12:30] <macd> _david join #kubuntu-es
[12:31] <_david> ok
[12:31] <jon_> i did
[12:31] <jon_> i found that code on a forum
[12:31] <macd> well thats a command not a code :P
[12:31] <jon_> thats what i meant, my bad
[12:31] <macd> obf213: then your program has code errors.
[12:32] <jon_> couldnt find package mldonkey
[12:32] <jon_> is what it came up with
[12:32] <macd> jon_ didnt you say you installed mldonkey?
[12:32] <obf213> i cant even open the project in kdeveloper after i save it. and its the one k developer creates
[12:32] <macd> and were trying to uninstall it?
[12:32] <macd> obf213 I dont know what to tell you, your making no sense whatsoever.
[12:32] <jon_> yes, but it didnt work. so i tried to uninstall it
[12:33] <jon_> but it wouldnt finish the uninstall
[12:33] <macd> and you installed the package named mldonkey?
[12:33] <macd> and now it said cant find package?
[12:34] <TheGateKeeper> macd: the error message he gave me suggested that mldonkey-server was broken, and would not uninstall or reinstall
[12:34] <macd> wll what was the actual package name
[12:34] <jon_> yes, mldonkey-server
[12:34] <djk_> why would you even want mldonkey
[12:34] <jon_> from synaptic
[12:34] <jon_> i dont know, i wish i didnt
[12:34] <macd> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get remove mldonkey-server
[12:35] <macd> then are you still presented with the same error message?
[12:35] <leveldoc> does anyone know anything about sata cd burning under k3b?
[12:35] <obf213> macd, i open kdeveloper c/c++ click on new project, click on their premade hello world template. save it on my desktop. compile it and run it. then if i close kdeveloper then open it, and open the project it says its missing an xml something or other
[12:36] <macd> obf213 I dont know.
[12:36] <jon_> macd it says 1 not fully installed
[12:36] <macd> obf213 maybee someone else in here does, or perhaps try your hand at searching
[12:36] <jon_>  macd Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[12:36] <duckdown> Hey all... If I wanted to restrict people on my machine from connecting to a list of regular efnet IPv4 servers (Only like 8 out of them all support IPv6 and thats all I want to allow) where can I add the list of servers I want to deny access to?
[12:36] <macd> jon_ ! hhhh!
[12:36] <macd> now we make sopme progress
[12:37] <jon_> hhh?
[12:37] <macd> jon_ : ok type 'ps ax | grep apt'
[12:38] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: not doing apt-get in the konsole with synaptic open at the same time?
[12:38] <jon_> haha yea
[12:38] <jon_> okay i got soemthing different
[12:38] <macd> thats a problem :p
[12:39] <TheGateKeeper> leave you two too it night both and good luck :-)
[12:39] <jon_> invoke-rc.d: initscript mldonkey-server, action "start" failed.
[12:39] <Skrot> Hi. Is there a way to check reverse dependencies? As in which packages depends on a given package?
[12:39] <paul_> macd: how often are you on here? beacuse im gonna be needing a lot of help
[12:39] <macd> Skrot I suggest you type man dpkg
[12:40] <word> macd: there got it working, thanks
[12:40] <macd> paul_ well daily, but Im not always paying attention, if you say macd, I will see the screen flash
[12:40] <macd> word, np.
[12:40] <jon_> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[12:40] <paul_> ok thanks a lot
[12:40] <macd> jon_ sounds pretty wierd
[12:40] <macd> you have synaptic closed?
[12:40] <jon_> basically the same error code 1
[12:40] <jon_> yes this time
[12:41] <jon_>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:41] <macd> hmmm
[12:41] <jon_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:41] <jon_> i guess it says the same thing
[12:41] <macd> I bet it installed half way, and its really not there anymore
[12:41] <jon_> yea thats what i figured
[12:41] <macd> make sure its not running
[12:41] <macd> ps ax | grep mldonkey
[12:41] <jon_> how do i do that?
[12:41] <macd> if its not, then dont sweat it any
[12:42] <jon_> macd 12609 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep mldonkey
[12:42] <jon_> i think that means it is running?
[12:42] <macd> no
[12:42] <jon_> oh
[12:42] <macd> thats the grep process :p
[12:42] <jon_> heh
[12:42] <jon_> i dunno what grep is
[12:42] <macd> it would just be mldonkey by itself
[12:43] <macd> then type man grep
[12:43] <macd> :)
[12:43] <jon_> right on
[12:44] <jon_> is there no solution to my problem? should i just reformat?
[12:44] <macd> man dont worry about it!
[12:44] <macd> just keep rockin
[12:44] <jon_> well the thing is, im trying to network printers
[12:44] <jon_> and i tried to load samba
[12:44] <macd> and yu got  dpkg error again?
[12:44] <jon_> but then it errored because of this mldonkey
[12:44] <jon_> yep
[12:44] <macd> ohhhh
[12:44] <macd> one sec lemme peep something out on my box
[12:45] <macd> jon_ in Konsole type 'cd /var/cache/apt/archives/partial'
[12:45] <macd> then 'ls -al'
[12:45] <macd> do you see the mldonkey package?
[12:50] <macd> jon_ did that work?
[12:52] <jon_> ah i had to leave for asec
[12:52] <jon_> dont think im stupid
[12:52] <macd> ohhh, did you see what I had said ^^
[12:52] <jon_> but whats Konsole
[12:52] <jon_> yes
[12:52] <macd> the command line
[12:52] <jon_> right!
[12:52] <macd> ;)
[12:53] <jon_> okay it changed directories
[12:53] <macd> now ls -al
[12:53] <macd> do you see a mldonkey package?
[12:54] <jon_> total 96
[12:54] <jon_> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2006-08-09 17:16 .
[12:54] <DaSkreech> 5024?
[12:55] <jon_> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 90112 2006-08-09 17:16
[12:55] <macd> jon, ok do this ls -al | grep mldonkey
[12:55] <jon_> nothin
[12:56] <jon_> i think its failing to install the package for mldonkey-server
[12:56] <jon_> whenever i tried to install or uninstall it, it said a packaged failed to install, trying to recover
[12:57] <jon_> but yea, i got nothing with that
[12:57] <macd> yeah, IM just trying to figure out why its trying to install it still, Im just not all that familiar with the internal workings of apt
[12:57] <macd> but give me a few minutes and I'll get iot worked out for ya
[12:58] <djk_> jon_: why do you even want mldonkey-server?
[12:58] <macd> he doesnt.
[12:58] <macd> and Im not sure it matter why, just the fix.
[12:59] <djk_> macd: well I'm curious
[01:00] <jon_> i dont
[01:00] <jon_> i just wanted it because it had soulseek and other bittorrent on it
[01:00] <jon_> i didnt know what was good, i just got ubuntu 3 days ago
[01:01] <djk_> but why would you need the server?
[01:01] <macd> linux n00b, made istake Id assume
[01:01] <jon_> exactly
[01:01] <macd> jon_ try sudo apt-get clean
[01:02] <djk_> i don't think such a mistake has anything to do with linux ;)
[01:03] <macd> jon_ if that doesnt help, Im not really sure man, but if you hang around here Im sure someone can help that knows a bit more about apt/dpkg than I
[01:03] <macd> well djk_ there are several server packages that your computer runs
[01:03] <macd> xserver-xorg
[01:03] <macd> why would you want a server :)
[01:05] <djk_> macd: err..they're not in the same categories :p
[01:05] <djk_> macd: btw, does 6.06 support reiser4?
[01:06] <macd> to a linux n00b they are!
[01:06] <macd> not sure, I use reiser3
[01:06] <macd> launchpad outta tell ya
[01:06] <djk_> macd: does a newb know about xsxorg
[01:07] <|lostbyte|> Hi, 9 MB / sec file trasnfer bet hd's, is that normal. or should i expect more, If so, are there any hacks to speed it up ?
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> !grub
[01:19] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:24] <coachj> can someone help me with getting 3d
[01:24] <aeth> sure wazup?
[01:25] <coachj> some got mesa drivers and canr get rid of them
[01:25] <coachj> have been thru the wiki both methods
[01:25] <coachj> doesnt help
[01:27] <coachj> hello?
[01:28] <Healot> coachj, with Compiz, XGL?
[01:28] <Healot> !compiz
[01:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:28] <LouKall> Hey, I'm trying to configure Kismet and it just isnt working any help? FATAL: GetIFFlags: interface wlan0: No such device
[01:29] <coachj> aeth: you there?
[01:30] <LouKall> anyone?
[01:30] <coachj> what is going on??
[01:30] <LouKall> doooonnntttt know.
[01:31] <coachj> wierd
[01:31] <|lostbyte|> wlan0: No such device.. like it says..
[01:31] <coachj> ??
[01:31] <LouKall> should i be using something else?
[01:33] <|lostbyte|> LouKall, huh, ifconfig should tell you.
[01:33] <LouKall> eth0, eth 1, lo
[01:34] <LouKall> should i use eth0?
[01:36] <LouKall> |lostbyte| ?
[01:50] <jmichaelx> when i want to 'safely remove'/unmount my ipod, i get the error "umount: /media/sda2 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)". what do i do about this?
[01:50] <|lostbyte|> jmichaelx, the command you used ?
[01:51] <jmichaelx> |lostbyte|: i was just trying to do it by right-clicking and selecting 'safely remove' from the desktop and in konqueror
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> jmichaelx, And how did you mount it ?
[01:53] <jmichaelx> |lostbyte|: by right-clicking on the icon and selecting 'mount'
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> jmichaelx, the error, is telling to do it as root.
[01:54] <jmichaelx> |lostbyte|: i have this same problem on another PC with an external hard drive.... i can mount it from konqueror, but not unmount
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> from command line, sudo umount /media/sda2        ..will do the trick.
[01:54] <jmichaelx> |lostbyte|: yeah, i know, but i was hoping i could unmount without opening a terminal
[01:55] <|lostbyte|> jmichaelx, then you will have to add an entry into /etc/fstab
[01:55] <jmichaelx> |lostbyte|: ok ty for the command, i just wish i would not have to do that
[01:55] <rav> hej
[01:55] <jmichaelx> |lostbyte|: ok, i will read up on that
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> jmichaelx, ok.
[01:56] <rav> jest tu ktos z polski ??
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> rav, Which lang is this ?
[01:56] <jmichaelx> polish
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> !polish
[01:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about polish - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> !pol
[01:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about pol - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> !search polish
[01:56] <ubotu> Found nothing
[01:57] <djk_> !pl
[01:57] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> Argh :P
[01:57] <jmichaelx> lol
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> djk_, tx
[01:57] <djk_> yw
[02:06] <LouKall> !polish!
[02:06] <ubotu> I know nothing about polish! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:06] <LouKall> !lesbians
[02:06] <ubotu> I know nothing about lesbians - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:06] <BluesKaj> !pl
[02:06] <LouKall> hehe
[02:06] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[02:26] <fabricio> e
[02:27] <LouKall> !lesboz
[02:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about lesboz - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:28] <djk_> LouKall: even if ubotu knew something, you're apparently only 13 and wouldn't know what to do ;)
[02:28] <LouKall> haha
[02:28] <LouKall> !threesomes
[02:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about threesomes - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:30] <henk>  LouKall has left this channel (requested by gnomefreak: "dont play with ubotu")   <<, he funny understatement
[02:32] <jim__> I just installed the chess game knights and it will only let me play against myself not the computer, I am using eboards as the engine.  any ideas
[02:39] <djk_> meh, how can build-essential be essentials if it doesn't include an xmlparser and glib..
[02:41] <ubuntu> Do I need a separete /boot partition ?
[02:41] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: It's not necessary, but some of us like to have a seperate /boot parititon
[02:41] <Hawkwind> s/parititon/partition
[02:41] <the-erm> Anyone know what package alsaconf is in I can't seem to find it, and my sound card isn't working.
[02:42] <the-erm> I've tried searching for it in apt: in konqueror as well :
[02:42] <ubuntu> Do I get any performance advantage from having a separate /boot ?
[02:42] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: Nope
[02:42] <ubuntu> ok, I am going to hit the Install button.
[02:42] <ubuntu> Talk you in a few minutes.
[02:43] <Hawkwind> the-erm: Have you tried alsa-tools ?
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, what are the advantages of a seperate boot part ?
[02:43] <Hawkwind> the-erm: Or even alsa-utils
[02:43] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: None other than defining how much space you want /boot to have to store your kernels
[02:44] <BluesKaj> IC
[02:44] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Old school linux users are usually the ones you'll see who have a seperate /boot partition.  It's just a habit that I got into years ago and I still make mine seperate to this day.  Probably always will
[02:44] <the-erm> Hawkwind: I don't think it's in there..
[02:45] <Healot> djk_, essential explains it
[02:45] <djk_> Healot: explains what
[02:45] <the-erm> asoundconf is.
[02:45] <the-erm> but not alsaconf
[02:45] <crimsun> we don't ship alsaconf.
[02:46] <Healot> only the essential build tools are in it :)
[02:47] <djk_> Healot: i'd think an xml-parser is essential..
[02:48] <Healot> you think of that. the ubuntu team doesn't :0
[02:49] <djk_> yea well, a lot of people believe in jesus..:p
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Jesus would have used Linux :)
[02:50] <Healot> i don't get that?
[02:50] <crimsun> the difference is that you can't prove Jesus is broken, but you sure can prove Ubuntu is.
[02:51] <djk_> crimsun: and all that because of an essential xml-parser...
[02:52] <BluesKaj> my desktop is black atm , was trying to fix my scrn saver and poof , but I don't wanna end the session til the video stops encoding
[02:56] <QMario> How would I transform a group of images into one PS file?
[03:04] <mighty-d> hi, im having a bad time trying to get my infrared remote to work can anyone help me please?
[03:06] <Warlock> hi have a question about flash player for firefox.
[03:06] <crimsun> the plugin or "the player?"
[03:07] <Jucato> lol
[03:08] <Warlock> I can't seem to get anything with flash player 8 to play on firefox.  I have seems to install everything like I have read but still a no go.
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Warlock: There is no flash player 8 for Linux
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: !! :)
[03:09] <crimsun> 7.0.63 is the latest version available.
[03:09] <Jucato> only support for Flash player 7
[03:09] <Jucato> oooh Hobbsee's here...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech, Jucato
[03:09] <Hobbsee> indeed, i am
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Yes yes we know you are outraged  please visit http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ and write comments liberally explaining how you feel about it
[03:10] <Jucato> outraged? who? ehehe!
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Warlock :)
[03:10] <Jucato> I think I can survive without Flash. :D
[03:10] <Warlock> I see thanks DaSkreech
[03:11] <Jucato> Flash Player 9 for Linux is in the works... but... :-(
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Warlock: They said that we should get Flash 9 by 2007 Dec
[03:11] <Warlock> ok well I guess I'll just have to wait and see
[03:12] <TheHighChild> Jucato: right.....
[03:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: but there's also a post in that blog that says that it "might" be put on hold...
[03:12] <Jucato> TheHighChild: huh?
[03:13] <Warlock> do you know of any linux player that can play or convert wmv so that they are playable.
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Yeah for unknown reasons but I think there is enough out pouring of support that they dare not keep on
[03:13] <Jucato> Warlock: Kaffeine can, you just need the w32codecs
[03:13] <TheHighChild> Jucato: Just expressing my skepticism on the Flash 9
[03:13] <Jucato> TheHighChild: that's why there was a "but..." :-D
[03:13] <DaSkreech>  It's kind of like the US dropping support for LInux in America's Army
[03:13] <Warlock> Oh ok cool I guess I'll work on that one first.
[03:14] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs > Warlock
[03:14] <Jucato> The thing is, they made a public announcement that they're working on Flash Player 9 for Linux and make a beta release early 2007.
[03:14] <Jucato> now if they suddenly drop it... there's gonna be hell to pay >:)
[03:15] <jim__> anyone know much aobut the game knights the chess game
[03:18] <sledge_at_work> Has anyone gotten grub to work with SAS (serially attached scsi)?
[03:19] <jim__> anyone know much aobut the game knights the chess game
[03:19] <OOD> !w32codecs
[03:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:20] <Warlock> DaSkreech>thank you,  I'm sorry but I'm real new linux.  Just could not stand Windows or Mircosoft anymore.
[03:20] <erov> jim__: what's up with it?
[03:21] <jim__> everytime i play against the computer the computer times out on the first move and the game declares me the winner
[03:21] <erov> it means you dont have a chess server installed i think
[03:21] <RawSewage> it senses your strength
[03:22] <jim__> i have enabled xboards
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Warlock: Welcome :-) This is the rookery
[03:23] <erov> jim__: well.. I use 'fruits' and I enabled it via the config in Knights
[03:23] <jim__> where can i find fruits?
[03:23] <erov> in the repo
[03:23] <erov> it's named 'fruits' as well
[03:23] <jim__> thank you i will try
[03:26] <erov> fruit my bad
[03:26] <erov> no s
[03:26] <jim__> erov how do i configure fruit in knights config
[03:26] <mighty-d> how do i install make-kpkg ??
[03:26] <mike_> Man, is there a way to theme KDE in kubuntu?
[03:27] <mike_> It doesn't seem to have a theme manager at all.
[03:27] <mike_> It only has the default themes.
[03:27] <erov> jim__: Settings->Configure Knights->Computer Opponents
[03:27] <jim__> i am there but where do i designate fruit
[03:27] <OOD> mike_: System Settings->Appearance
[03:28] <mike_> That's where I went.  Doesn't seem to have a way to load new themes.
[03:28] <erov> should be a box where you can select
[03:28] <erov> if you installed 'fruit' from adept
[03:29] <erov> if not
[03:29] <erov> go to the add button on the side
[03:29] <erov> and just add fruit
[03:29] <Jucato> mike_: what kind of "theme" are you trying to install/load? KDE has many things that can be themed...
[03:29] <erov> just type fruit for a filename
[03:29] <erov> its in your path now
[03:29] <mike_> Well there are a few themes I like on the kde-look site
[03:29] <erov> its a UCI not XBOARD type too
[03:29] <mike_> And I want to load them.
[03:30] <Jucato> mike_: what kind of theme is it? (under what category in KDE-Look?)
[03:30] <Jucato> you see, there are (Widget) Style themes, Icon Themes, Window Decorations, KDM (Login Screen) themes... each of these can be themed
[03:30] <draik> Hello Jucato
[03:31] <mike_> Themes/Styles, KDE 3.2-3.5
[03:31] <Jucato> draik: hey! just the man I was looking for! :-D
[03:31] <draik> What's going on Jucato?
[03:31] <Healot> !info kernel-package
[03:31] <ubotu> kernel-package: A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.. In repository main, is optional. Version 9.001ubuntu15 (dapper), package size 353 kB, installed size 1316 kB
[03:31] <Jucato> I'm done with the ubuntu-classroom transcripts
[03:31] <draik> very good
[03:31] <Healot> !info kernel-package > mighty-d
[03:31] <ubotu> kernel-package: A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.. In repository main, is optional. Version 9.001ubuntu15 (dapper), package size 353 kB, installed size 1316 kB
[03:31] <draik> you edited the file to clean it up?
[03:32] <mike_> Mostly window decorations and widgets.
[03:32] <draik> I think everything is still the same, nothing much more to add
[03:32] <Jucato> draik: I've already posted it on my blog :-D
[03:32] <draik> I think I can actually submit my pdf to the wiki for that class
[03:32] <Jucato> http://jucato.multiply.com/journal/item/28
[03:32] <draik> everything seems to be in order
[03:32] <draik> thank you... I was just about to ask you for your link ^-^
[03:32] <Jucato> mike_: hold on a sec, I'm looking for a post of mine that sort of explains how to install these stuff
[03:33] <mike_> Before I installed kubuntu, there was an option where I could load themes...but I'd try to load, and it wouldn't theme!
[03:33] <mike_> KDE is kinda broken, I guess.
[03:33] <Jucato> mike_: nope it isn't
[03:34] <OOD> mike_: there are several things you can theme in KDE: icons, styles, kwin borders etc
[03:34] <Jucato> different kinds of themes are installed differently. For one, those under the Themes/Styles category need to be installed like an application (compiled or through dpkg)
[03:34] <erov> damn that fruit engine kicked my ass.. :(
[03:34] <OOD> and some of these could be in different forms (some are in source code)
[03:34] <RawSewage> I cant beat chess computers
[03:35] <OOD> you have to be able to differentiate between them and figure out what goes where and what'll work and what wont
[03:35] <Jucato> mike_: here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[03:35] <erov> You read where they are still not able to make such engines for 'Go' ?
[03:35] <endo> i am having a problem with the startup of kubuntu
[03:35] <mike_> thanks.
[03:35] <RawSewage> erov, yes, I read that
[03:35] <RawSewage> it was on Digg
[03:35] <endo> it stalls when initializing hardware
[03:35] <Jucato> try reading it. it related the different KDE-Look categories with the System Settings modules...
[03:36] <RawSewage> erov, do you play Go
[03:36] <Jucato> hi claydoh!
[03:36] <endo> it stall in the loadup screens for KDE
[03:36] <erov> No.. but I was going to try to learn a while back.. just a game that really interests me and I'd like to take the time, some time, to learn/play
[03:36] <claydoh> why hello Jucato!
[03:36] <draik> Very nice
[03:36] <nearfar> good .. first time kubuntu user .. after using gnome for years
[03:36] <draik> Jucato
[03:36] <RawSewage> erov, you should watch the anime series  Hikaru no Go
[03:36] <draik> Nice layout
[03:37] <RawSewage> erov, it will get you into  Go
[03:37] <Jucato> draik: thanks! @_@
[03:37] <endo> anyone?
[03:37] <Jucato> claydoh: I was able to talk to Jonathan (dares not mention last name for fear of disturbing him again)
[03:37] <erov> goes to watch Hikaru no Go
[03:37] <RawSewage> Its a good series
[03:37] <Jucato> just a few minutes after you left... @_@
[03:37] <draik> My PDF is just split into "step per page"
[03:37] <endo> It stalls at Loading the window manager
[03:37] <Jucato> erov: ehehe! I like the opening song of that anime
[03:37] <claydoh> Jucato: just don't type his nickname, if you are worried
[03:37] <claydoh> I wouldn't worry
[03:38] <manelson> hey, can anyone tell me how to specify in xorg.conf what monitor the KDE taskbar should be on in a dual monitor xinerama setup?
[03:38] <Jucato> claydoh: his nick is his last name... that's why a few minutes after you left, he said "huh..." because he was notified that his nick was mentioned... @_@
[03:38] <wckdkl0wn> is there a plugin for konversati0on that will allow me to post my bandwidth?
[03:39] <Jucato> oh poor claydoh...
[03:39] <wckdkl0wn> something like sysinfo
[03:39] <endo> Anyone have any problems with startup of KDE?
[03:40] <erov> not now except it runs some sort of wizard EVERY time..
[03:40] <erov> asking me how I want my KDE appearance to be
[03:40] <erov> also.. it's not saving my nameserver when I shutdown and boot back up
[03:40] <Jucato> that wizard's name is KPersonalizer, and I have no idea why it was installed...
[03:41] <erov> :|
[03:42] <endo> my system dies everytime i try to log into KDE
[03:42] <OOD> yeah i had the same thing yesterday
[03:42] <endo> goes to the console in recovery mode
[03:42] <endo> just not x
[03:43] <OOD> that was to erov*
[03:43] <sickboy> whats the easiest version of ubuntu?
[03:43] <sickboy> jus got kubuntu an cant play wma video
[03:43] <erov> did you just up to 3.5.4 ?
[03:43] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[03:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:43] <endo> fresh install
[03:43] <OOD> erov: yeah, that's when it happened
[03:43] <wckdkl0wn> sickboy: u need to install w32codecs tahts why
[03:43] <Jucato> !w32codecs > sickboy
[03:43] <erov> sickboy: follow the links ubotu just said
[03:43] <draik> Jucato, I think that what I need to do now is take the questions from the end of the classes and add them as a "notes" page or something
[03:43] <endo> what is the autokill command for theconsole
[03:43] <mighty-d> hi, i'd like to know if i can just move all /usr to a new partition and then make /usr the mounting point for that partition from fstab
[03:44] <erov> must be..
[03:44] <sickboy> thanks!
[03:44] <wckdkl0wn> sickboy: or download mplayer
[03:44] <draik> Jucato, again, very nice job.
[03:44] <Jucato> draik: thanks again!
[03:44] <ErikTheRed> my suggestion to sickboy is to not use wma at all if possible
[03:44] <Jucato> draik: I've been trying to contact nixternal to ask his permission if I could post mine before they post theirs
[03:44] <sickboy> mplayer
[03:44] <erov> well.... yeah!
[03:45] <draik> Jucato, I think you'll be fine since their names are on there.
[03:45] <sickboy> ya my gf gave me this cd im tryin to watch... hopfully its juicy
[03:45] <OOD> erov: i just had a clean install of kubuntu done so i don't have that problem anymore, but it's probably a bug in 3.5.4
[03:45] <nixternal> Jucato: yes ;)
[03:45] <Jucato> weeee!! hi nixternal! :-D
[03:45] <draik> speak of the devil... or penguin... w/e
[03:45] <nixternal> i was 1 minute late earlier ;)
[03:45] <wckdkl0wn> sickboy: try in konsole "sudo apt-get install mplayer"
[03:45] <endo> i cant get  x to start
[03:45] <Jucato> ehehe!
[03:45] <draik> nixternal, I will add the questions to the end of the 2nd PDF and send it to you ASAP
[03:46] <erov> does the monitor just shutoff endo?
[03:46] <endo> no
[03:46] <endo> just stall
[03:46] <silicon_> no
[03:46] <silicon_> test.
[03:46] <nixternal> ya you guys, that whole thing is wide open, do what you want with it
[03:46] <silicon_> hello.
[03:46] <Jucato> nixternal: here's the one I made. it's a summary/review, then links to the "transcripts" (for lack of a better term): http://jucato.multiply.com/journal/item/28
[03:47] <nixternal> Jucato: AWESOME!  Good work!
[03:48] <wind-> hi, i need help
[03:48] <Jucato> whoa! you read fast :-D
[03:48] <sickboy> hmm couldnt find package mplayer
[03:48] <nixternal> you should wiki that ;)
[03:48] <crimsun> mplayer is in multiverse.
[03:48] <wckdkl0wn> !mplayer
[03:48] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[03:48] <Jucato> nixternal: ehehe! :-D
[03:48] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[03:50] <wckdkl0wn> what other commands are there other then sysinfo?
[03:50] <wckdkl0wn> for konversation
[03:50] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: look at Settings > Configure Konversation > Command Aliases
[03:51] <dads> ?
[03:51] <wezlo> hey gang is anyone else having troubles with sandisk card readers and dapper?
[03:51] <wind-> i'm trying to get my function keys to work, they control the volume and screen brightness *amungst other things) how would i go about it?
[03:51] <dads> how do i change my nick?
[03:51] <wckdkl0wn> nothing for like bandwidth though right?
[03:51] <Jucato> dads: type in /nick <nickname>
[03:52] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: unless there's a plugin for it in Konversation, I don't think so...
[03:52] <wckdkl0wn> what else can i use other then konversation
[03:52] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: for IRC?
[03:52] <nearfar> no 'browser' in kubuntu?
[03:53] <nearfar> er.. amorak
[03:53] <wckdkl0wn> yea just irc not other messengers
[03:53] <Jucato> nearfar: huh?
[03:53] <frostystorm> Is there any easy way to install the compilers and assemblers used when i ./configure make make install something? like through adept?
[03:53] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: Kopete can also do IRC, and so can GAIM, but they're both mainly IM clients. irssi is a command line IRC client, and XChat is a GNOME based (AFAIK) IRC client
[03:54] <dads> ty jucato
[03:54] <wckdkl0wn> thats right i remember xchat now i cant believe i forgot about it
[03:54] <dads> err
[03:54] <nearfar> Jucato: amoraK. Isn't there any album/artist browser like in iTunes/rhythmbox?
[03:54] <Jucato> ^_^
[03:55] <nearfar> ?
[03:55] <Jucato> nearfar: there is. but you have to load the media in Amarok's collection, sort of like iTunes' Library
[03:56] <nearfar> Jucato: I did. drag and dropped
[03:56] <DaSkreech> wckdkl0wn: Kopete
[03:58] <Jucato> nearfar: dragged and dropped where?
[04:00] <nearfar> Jucato: Collection
[04:00] <nearfar> Jucato: I for sure realized how COMPLEX kde can be /
[04:00] <nearfar> :/
[04:00] <draik> nixternal, I have the PDF created for the wiki. How do I go about uploading the PDF?
[04:01] <nixternal> i believe you can just attach it, and then create a link to it
[04:01] <DaSkreech> nearfar: Do you have all your music in one place?
[04:01] <nearfar> DaSkreech: yes, ~/Music
[04:02] <draik> attach it where?
[04:02] <Jucato> nearfar: near the top of the list in your collection, there's a drop down menu that says something like "Genre/Album/Artist"
[04:02] <nearfar> Jucato: yes
[04:02] <nearfar> that list is empty first of all
[04:02] <Jucato> you can change that so you could arrange by artist, by album, or by any combination you want
[04:02] <nearfar> but the right pane is full of songs
[04:02] <nearfar> each song does have artist/album
[04:03] <Jucato> err...
[04:03] <nearfar> how to take screenshot?
[04:03] <Jucato> nearfar: errr
[04:03] <Jucato> nearfar: you didn't drag your music into your collection
[04:03] <erov> press print scr
[04:03] <nearfar> I mean, the KDE way
[04:03] <DaSkreech> In amarok go to Settings-> Configure marok -> collection
[04:03] <Jucato> the right-side is the playlist contents
[04:03] <nearfar> erov: and?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Add your folder to the collection
[04:04] <Jucato> nearfar: follow DaSkreech's directions to build your Collection
[04:04] <nearfar> DaSkreech: yes, it's already there (I did then in welcome step)
[04:04] <erov> use ksnapshot
[04:04] <nearfar> complicated menu! .. using alt-f2
[04:04] <DaSkreech> ok so you have 4 tabs on the left of amarok?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> nearfar: Content, Collection, Playlists, Files?
[04:06] <sickboy> ok now i got an easy Q how do i activate flash in firefox?
[04:06] <nearfar> DaSkreech: yes
[04:06] <nearfar> btw, no adblock in konqueror?
[04:06] <Jucato> sickboy: have you istalled the flashplugin-nonfree package?
[04:06] <Jucato> nearfar: Konqueror has a built-in adblock
[04:07] <sickboy> is that in adept?
[04:07] <Jucato> no need to install an Adblock extension
[04:07] <nearfar> DaSkreech: http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amorakwoesck6.png
[04:07] <scast> Hmm guys, I can't do "sudo kwrite [insert file here] " :(
[04:07] <Jucato> scast: try to use kdesu instead
[04:07] <Jucato> "kdesu kwrite [...] "
[04:07] <Jucato> !flash
[04:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:08] <Jucato> sickboy: follow this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-f375cba46014e861cd5ec7643bd7c4ef05acff2b
[04:08] <nearfar> popups in konqueror too
[04:08] <Jucato> sickboy: then follow the instructions for Kubuntu Dapper
[04:08] <Jucato> nearfar: Javascript settings control popups
[04:08] <DaSkreech> nearfar: And under Colletion you have nothing?
[04:09] <scast> I think I was able to do it before, don't know why I can't now
[04:09] <nearfar> DaSkreech: yeah, as in that screenshot
[04:09] <DaSkreech> nearfar: Can you check under settings thaat things are imported?
[04:10] <nearfar> btw, I used to sync my iPod in 'banshee' (gnome player). Now how do I continue syncing in amoraK without losing any files? same music directory ever - ~/Music
[04:10] <nearfar> DaSkreech: yes, I checked
[04:10] <nearfar> DaSkreech: n/m .. I will figure this out later
[04:10] <DaSkreech> nearfar: Can you do me a quick favour? What version of amarok are you using?
[04:11] <nearfar> for iPod, it shows song browser
[04:11] <nearfar> DaSkreech: 1.3.9 (using KDE 3.5.2)
[04:11] <Jucato> it's weird that all his music is in the playlist window.
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Well he did say he dragged and dropped
[04:12] <nearfar> and I can browser my iPod only by Artist? how lame!
[04:12] <nearfar> *browse
[04:12] <DaSkreech> nearfar: When you play a song on the Content tab does it tell you that it's in the collection?
[04:12] <Jucato> he could have dropped it just on the playlist window, not added to the collection itself...
[04:12] <DaSkreech> nearfar: That's how the ipod is organized
[04:12] <nearfar> DaSkreech: I get a screen popup
[04:12] <nearfar> DaSkreech: though I would like to browser by album
[04:13] <DaSkreech> nearfar: Which says?
[04:13] <scast> http://pastie.caboo.se/7883 check it out.
[04:13] <Jucato> nearfar: could you double check in Settings > Configure Amarok > Collections that the tiny box beside your Music directory is checked?
[04:13] <nearfar> DaSkreech: there is 'Context' tab, no 'Content' tab
[04:13] <nearfar> Jucato: yes, it is
[04:14] <DaSkreech> nearfar: I'll be damned I always read it as Content :)
[04:14] <Jucato> DaSkreech: hehe :-D
[04:14] <DaSkreech> nearfar: What does the popup say?
[04:14] <nearfar> I clicked on 'Build Collection', selected folder, but it still does nothing.
[04:14] <nearfar> DaSkreech: it's notification popup -- when next song is played
[04:14] <Jucato> nearfar: can you try  Tools > Rescan Collection?
[04:14] <scast> Any idea? --- http://pastie.caboo.se/7883
[04:15] <nearfar> Jucato: ah! works now
[04:15] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:16] <Jucato> nearfar: then you can just click on the "Group By" dropdown list to change how your collection is arranged
[04:16] <nearfar> thanks!
[04:16] <nearfar> gtg
[04:16] <Jucato> scast: when did this start happening?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> nearfar: :-D
[04:16] <Jucato> nearfar: bye! have fun
[04:16] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:17] <scast> since I wanted to edit my sources.list
[04:17] <nearfar> btw, I can't 'sync' my iPod, but only manually copy stuff?
[04:17] <Jucato> scast: try this. go to your sources.list in Konqueror, then right-click > Actions > Edit as Root
[04:18] <nearfar> DaSkreech: so I found a bug in amaroK :D
[04:18] <Jucato> nearfar: what bug?
[04:18] <nearfar> brb
[04:18] <scast> But why can't I do sudo kwrite something :(
[04:18] <nearfar> Jucato: not 'building' collecion when I add it
[04:18] <nearfar> or scan
[04:18] <basilio> If i have Linux installed in my computer will i get affected by clicking the links provded by my friend with a worm
[04:18] <nearfar> brb
[04:18] <basilio> like the http://buddies.funbuddyicons.com@[fwpscript] Version:<IP_ADDRESS>|rsvp|Icon:none@[/fwpscript]  from INSTANT MESSENGER
[04:19] <scast> hmmm
[04:19] <scast> Weird
[04:19] <scast> :o
[04:19] <scast> Now I can do sudo kwrite
[04:19] <Jucato> scast: always use kdesu when launching GUI apps as root
[04:19] <scast> lol
[04:19] <scast> Really?
[04:19] <Jucato> scast: yes
[04:19] <scast> Didn't know that.
[04:19] <scast> Are you sure?
[04:19] <Jucato> !sudo
[04:19] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:19] <scast> !kdesu
[04:19] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:20] <Jucato> :-P
[04:20] <scast> lawl
[04:20] <scast> Aight
[04:20] <Jucato> nah! don't feel that way. it's something that's easily overlooked and presumed
[04:21] <oxez> Hello. I'm currently running Ubuntu Dapper (with gnome), and I've installed amaroK 1.4.1 throught the Kubuntu repos. There is only one thing that I'd like to fix: there are many icons missing in amarok.. what package should I need to get those?
[04:21] <Jucato> basilio: generally, no. But you can't be too sure. Why would you click on something that you know has a worm anyway?
[04:21] <scast> oxez: kubuntu-desktop :-P
[04:21] <scast> oxez: nah, no idea, ask Jucato.
[04:21] <oxez> scast, nah I don't want to install the whole thing :p
[04:24] <basilio> just curious lol
[04:25] <wind-> this is the first time i've downloaded anything off the net and it saved as a .tar.bz2  ... how do i install it?
[04:25] <Jucato> wind-: what are you trying to install?
[04:25] <baskew> bunzip
[04:25] <wind-> GIMPshop
[04:25] <wind-> do i extract?
[04:26] <wind-> actually, i have no clue how to install this
[04:26] <baskew> cant you just do a apt-get install gimp? or use adept
[04:26] <wind-> can you/
[04:26] <scast> wind-: don't get your expectations to high. It's just a few hacks to change the application menus.
[04:26] <baskew> well gimp shop just something else tho
[04:27] <wind-> gimpshop isn't photoshop?
[04:27] <Jucato> gimpshop isnt' available in the repositories, but the GIMP is
[04:27] <wind-> for linux
[04:27] <Jucato> wind-: no
[04:27] <baskew> just get gimp
[04:27] <Jucato> wind-: gimpshop is a "hack" of the GIMP which tries to make the GIMP act/look like photoshop
[04:27] <baskew> =]  or is there a reason u want gimpshop?
[04:27] <wind-> what is himp
[04:27] <wind-> gimp
[04:27] <wind-> oh
[04:27] <scast> Jucato: not even close. Is just a hack that change the way the menus behaves.
[04:27] <wind-> gotcha
[04:28] <wind-> apt-get install gimp?
[04:28] <Jucato> scast: to make them behave like Photoshop, right?
[04:28] <wind-> sudo
[04:28] <baskew> yeah be root
[04:28] <scast> Basically.
[04:28] <scast> Personally it's a waste of time. Even on #gimp they say is bad idea to install it ^^
[04:29] <wind-> after it installs, where will it be?
[04:29] <wind-> ?
[04:29] <Jucato> scast: of course they will say that :-D
[04:29] <wind-> what should i use to edit pictures
[04:29] <Jucato> wind-: you launch it like any othe application, and open up files like any other application
[04:30] <Jucato> wind-: word of warning: the interface takes a bit of getting used to
[04:30] <Jucato> specially if you've been used to Photoshop
[04:30] <wind-> that's fine
[04:30] <wind-> but i'm kind of new to linux, where is it? i looked under graphics (kubuntu)
[04:30] <baskew> when i installed kubuntu, gimp was already installed
[04:31] <baskew> kde menu > graphics > gimp
[04:31] <Jucato> baskew: are you sure? Ubuntu installs GIMP by default, but Kubuntu installs Krita by default, not the GIMP
[04:31] <wind-> i don't see it
[04:31] <scast> wind-: you could also try Krita. But it doesn't have 10 years of development like gimp does.
[04:31] <Jucato> wind-: have you installed the GIMP already?
[04:31] <wind-> yeah
[04:31] <baskew> jucato: well sorry i installed ubuntu 1st, then installed kubuntu desktop,.... sorry
[04:31] <Jucato> baskew: no problem. no need to be sorry
[04:31] <wind-> all i have to do is sugo apt-get install gimp    right?
[04:31] <wind-> sudo
[04:32] <Jucato> scast: but Krita wasn't just built form scratch, too.
[04:32] <baskew> thatll work
[04:32] <Jucato> wind-: yeah
[04:32] <wind-> nothing popped up?
[04:32] <wind-> after it installed
[04:32] <Jucato> wind-: nothing will popup. where did you type "sudo apt-get install gimp" anyway?
[04:32] <baskew> type gimp
[04:32] <wind-> ah
[04:33] <wind-> do i always have to do that
[04:33] <Jucato> wind-: no. your K Menu will be updated in a short while... (I hope)
[04:33] <wind-> hm
[04:35] <scast> A pentium4 is considered 686?
[04:35] <XVampireX> yeah
[04:35] <scast> aight.
[04:37] <CVirus> wind-: type kbuilsycoca to update your K Menu after installing new software
[04:38] <Jucato> yeah, I've even created a special menu entry for "kbuildsycoca --incremental" for it. though it doesn't work 100% of the time.
[04:38] <Jucato> I'm surprised that this bug is till alive, though. IIRC, it has been like that since Breezy...
[04:39] <CVirus> lazy devs :-p
[04:39] <Jucato> :-D
[04:42] <wind-> thanks
[04:42] <wind-> hey how come it says permission denied when i try to save the image?
[04:42] <Jucato> wind-: where (what directory) is the image saved?
[04:43] <wind-> a folder i made, Stuff
[04:43] <XVampireX> is it in your home folder?
[04:43] <Jucato> you won't be able to save images/files if you don't have the permissions for that file or the folder it's located int
[04:43] <Jucato> s/int/in
[04:43] <XVampireX> integer
[04:43] <XVampireX> aha
[04:43] <wind-> ?
[04:43] <Jucato> lol
[04:43] <paul__> im looking for some people running Counter strike source on dapper drake
[04:44] <XVampireX> paul__: you need some playing buddies?
[04:44] <XVampireX> :P
[04:44] <wind-> how do i change permissions
[04:44] <paul__i> i wish i could im still trying to get it working
[04:44] <wind-> i thought if i were the only user it would let me do anything?
[04:45] <XVampireX> wind-: through the GUI
[04:45] <wckdkl0wn> i accidently killed my task bar.. how do i bring it back
[04:45] <Jucato> wind-: not really. there are some files/folders that have been set to belong to the administrator (root)
[04:45] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: if it's dead, just press Alt+F2 and type in kicker
[04:46] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: ty its back now
[04:46] <Jucato> :-D
[04:46] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:46] <paul__i> so Vampire are you running it on your box?
[04:47] <XVampireX> paul__i: of course not
[04:47] <Jucato> lol
[04:47] <XVampireX> Why would I want windows only applications running on my computer even if it works via wine
[04:47] <wind-> nan@dstrike-Laptop:~$ kbullsycoca
[04:47] <wind-> bash: kbullsycoca: command not found
[04:48] <Jucato> wind-: kbuildsycoca
[04:48] <paul__i> because it is a fun game
[04:48] <paul__i> and i enjoy playing it
[04:48] <XVampireX> paul__i: I asked why should I :)
[04:48] <wind-> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[04:48] <paul__i> i guess it is a metter of perspective
[04:48] <Jucato> wind-:try "kbuildsycoca --incremental"
[04:48] <XVampireX> It's a matter of preference.
[04:48] <XVampireX> And I won't forgive windows developers, ever!
[04:49] <Jucato> paul__i: nothing wrong with what you prefer. XVampireX just said he doesn't prefer it. :-D
[04:49] <wind-> cool i see it now
[04:49] <paul__i> nore will, I but i dont have a gripe with Steam
[04:49] <Jucato> XVampireX: err.. can you blame them if they've been blinded? lol
[04:49] <wind-> thankie :)
[04:49] <XVampireX> Jucato: Yes
[04:50] <Jucato> lol
[04:50] <paul__i> a lemon and 2 oranges...
[04:50] <soulrider> hey everyone :)
[04:50] <poningru> yarr
[04:51] <baskew> tuxracer -]
[04:51] <XVampireX> no gaming channel for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[04:51] <paul__i> baskew: nothing wrong with that, but the linux first person shooter market is quite behind others
[04:54] <wind-> ok another question
[04:55] <wind-> how do i make ff the default web browser, not uh... whatever the other one is
[04:55] <paul_> macd: you still here boy?
[04:55] <wind-> so when i click on links here, it opens a tab in ff instead of a window from konquer?
[04:55] <Jucato> wind-: launch System Settings > KDE Components > Default Applications > Web Browser
[04:55] <XVampireX> paul__i: behind? I'd say more advanced :D
[04:56] <XVampireX> Serious Sam 2 coming to linux too
[04:56] <Jucato> the Linux RPG market is quite dormant... :-(
[04:56] <XVampireX> Yeah :(
[04:56] <wind-> cool
[04:56] <wind-> thanks
[04:57] <TehUni> i'm having alot of trouble with X with my 3 monitor setup. i want 3 seperate screens. eg. no xinerama. is this possible? twinview and the rest seem to limit me to 2. any time i activate my 3rd screen, it seems to turn xinerama on
[04:57] <Jucato> of course I could buy Neverwinter Nights... but wouldn't it be nice if someone was able to come up with a good open-source game...
[04:57] <Jucato> a good 3D OpenGL (yech DirectX) RPG...
[04:58] <paul_> macd
[04:58] <paul__i> i drool
[04:59] <XVampireX> Jucato: there's scourge
[04:59] <paul__i> btw, anyone here got any hints for running dual display with an N-Vidia 7400 go?
[04:59] <Jucato> is it 3D?
[04:59] <XVampireX> Jucato: kinda
[04:59] <XVampireX> isometric 3d
[04:59] <TehUni> paul_i: google xorg.conf twinview
[05:00] <Jucato> err...
[05:00] <Jucato> let me check
[05:00] <Jucato> I'm presuming the story/plot is good, too?
[05:00] <paul__i> thnx TehUni
[05:00] <XVampireX> Roguelike
[05:00] <Jucato> err... Rogue-like?? (sorry, what's Rogue?)
[05:00] <XVampireX> http://scourge.sourceforge.net/
[05:00] <paul_> macd have you died?
[05:00] <fatejudger> I can't seem to play apple's HD trailers using KMPlayer with Xine
[05:00] <mrmusic> so anybody here familiar with SWAT
[05:01] <fatejudger> has anyone here gotten it working?
[05:04] <XVampireX> fatejudger: do you have the codecs?
[05:06] <fatejudger> XVampireX: libxineextracodecs
[05:06] <fatejudger> XVampireX: and w32codecs
[05:06] <XVampireX> gstreamer?
[05:06] <fatejudger> XVampireX: Xine
[05:06] <XVampireX> ah, nevermind
[05:06] <XVampireX> since you use xine, yeah
[05:06] <XVampireX> hmm
[05:06] <fatejudger> can you use gstreamer 0.10 in KMPlayer now?
[05:07] <XVampireX> no idea
[05:07] <XVampireX> I don't use kmplayer
[05:07] <fatejudger> it's the only one that doesn't crash
[05:07] <fatejudger> in Konqueror
[05:07] <XVampireX> Konqueror not so good for web browsing
[05:08] <XVampireX> For example it doesn't render Gmail well
[05:09] <Jucato> XVampireX: not really Konqueror's fault. Try using the Mozilla 1.7.3 browser identification and everything will be ok
[05:09] <XVampireX> lets see
[05:10] <scast> !mp3
[05:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:10] <Glin|Jol> Winamp 5.24 paused
[05:10] <Jucato> either Mozilla 1.7.3 or Safari on OS X
[05:10] <XVampireX> Where do I set that?
[05:11] <Jucato> You can just go the GMail Website, then Tools > Change Browser Identification
[05:11] <Jucato> or you can also manually change it in Settiings > Configure Konqueror > Browser Identifcation and add a new Site Specific Identifcation rule
[05:12] <XVampireX> Ah, that works
[05:13] <nabz> hey, anyone know why gedit is not working?
[05:13] <Jucato> nabz: there's no gedit in Kubuntu
[05:13] <nabz> :(
[05:13] <Jucato> nabz: try kate instead
[05:13] <XVampireX> yeah
[05:13] <nabz> ok thanks
[05:13] <Jucato> "kate"
[05:14] <nabz> yep worked
[05:14] <nabz> thanks alot
[05:14] <Jucato> ^_^
[05:14] <scast> nabz: or kwrite
[05:15] <manelson> can someone tell me how to change xorg.conf to switch my KDE menu bar to my other monitor in my dual monitor setup
[05:16] <TehUni> i'm having alot of trouble with X with my 3 monitor setup. i want 3 seperate screens. eg. no xinerama. is this possible? twinview and the rest seem to limit me to 2. any time i activate my 3rd screen, it seems to turn xinerama on
[05:16] <rredd4> how do I add my own backgrounds in kde?  when I go to the backgrounds control panel, I can not see a way to load the image from my hard drive.
[05:20] <firephoto> rredd4: the little folder icon next to the  " Picture:" drop down menu
[05:21] <rredd4> firephoto  ahhh  little folder icon, thats why i didn't see it
[05:22] <rredd4> ty
[05:23] <QMario> How do I use OpenOffice's Export to PDF in the command line?
[05:25] <rav> hej
[05:25] <rav> jest tu ktos z polski ?
[05:25] <rredd4> rav english please
[05:25] <Agios> slkdfow  wslmzx  wsp03ks
[05:27] <Agios> rredd4: I just copy the image I want to use for a background to /usr/share/wallpapers
[05:27] <Agios> then it will show up in the list
[05:28] <rredd4> Agios  ok, ty!
[05:29] <Agios> np
[05:34] <macd> paul_ yes
[05:35] <rav> #ubuntu
[05:35] <Andruk> i cant get sound on kubuntu dapper, any ideas on where to start (alsa 1.0.9 installed)
[05:35] <wind-> how come when i put a 6 in 1 card reader (pcim card) in my laptop, it says it can't mount?
[05:36] <wind-> i have a 1gb sd card in it now
[05:36] <wind-> the error is "Mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[05:37] <mighty-d> hi, how can i pass parameters to a bin.bash script?
[05:38] <crrj> scriptname arg1 arg2 etc.
[05:38] <dr_willis> You mean a bash script?
[05:38] <mighty-d> yeah
[05:38] <mighty-d> but when i write it whats the syntax?
[05:39] <dr_willis> you mean IN the bash program how to parse the arguments?
[05:40] <mighty-d> yeah
[05:40] <dr_willis> google for that 'advanced bash scripting guide' (and bookmark it. and read it a few dozen times, :P )  It will have examples of about everything ya will need.
[05:40] <Hawkwind> mighty-d: Type: /join #Bash
[05:40] <mighty-d> ok thanks, :)
[05:40] <Hawkwind> mighty-d: That URL dr_willis just talked about is in the #Bash /topic
[05:41] <Agios> wind-: mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
[05:41] <Agios> give it a mount point
[05:41] <dr_willis> I got that Guide in html format on my Playstation portable. :P
[05:41] <dr_willis> Heh.
[05:41] <wind-> thanks
[05:41] <crrj> html reference material can be quite handy
[05:41] <dr_willis> wonder if theres a complete html tldp package i can download and have a total mirror of the things.
[05:42] <dr_willis> the TLDP guides on your psp. :P now Nerdish!
[05:42] <wind-> mount: only root can do that       ?
[05:42] <wind-> oops nm
[05:42] <Hawkwind> wind-: Of course
[05:42] <Agios> depends on the options set in fstab
[05:42] <Hawkwind> wind-: Unless you give it paramaters within your fstab to specify users can do it
[05:43] <wind-> gotcha thanks
[05:44] <wind-> ok... now nothing is happening
[05:47] <dr_willis> define 'nothing' :P
[05:47] <dr_willis> nothign can be good.. or bad.
[05:47] <wind-> nothing is showing up when i take out the pcim card or the memory card and stick it back in
[05:48] <endo> my kubuntu is stalling in the startup screen for the KDE
[05:48] <endo> anyone ever have this problem?
[05:49] <dr_willis> This a clean install?
[05:49] <endo> yeah totally clean
[05:49] <dr_willis> odd.
[05:50] <endo> thats what I said
[05:50] <QMario> YAY XSANE FINALLY CAN SCAN TO PDF!!! :)
[05:50] <dr_willis> could pop to the console, login and see if theres a X log to check out.
[05:50] <dr_willis> it just 'hangs' X or the whole system?
[05:50] <dr_willis> QMario,  so ya get a pdf of huge images..! yes.
[05:50] <dr_willis> :P
[05:50] <endo> hangs the whole system
[05:50] <dr_willis> endo,  that sounds like a video issue.. what card ya got?
[05:51] <dr_willis> endo,  actually that sounds EXACTLY like a video issue uve herd of befor.
[05:51] <endo> really
[05:51] <endo> any sugestions?
[05:52] <dr_willis> what video card do you have. :P
[05:55] <wckdkl0wn> where would i get remote.pm from?
[05:56] <wckdkl0wn> !ati
[05:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:57] <Jenx> Anyone know of a .mov player
[05:58] <Jenx> Also seeking how to make transparent windows
[06:00] <wolfmanz> Agios do you know much about security when it comes to kubuntu as to why it would be better then XP aside from the fact the users are not logged in as root?
[06:03] <dr_willis> go ask that in ##linux - i bet ya get a  quite a few reasons.
[06:03] <dr_willis> some of which I may even understand. :P
[06:11] <Andruk_Tatum> so, i cant get any sound from my system, anybody willing to help?
[06:11] <wolfmanz> dr_wills you gotta be registered to even speak in that room lol
[06:13] <XVampireX> Andruk_Tatum: Sure, describe what happened, I.E: Did you have sound before or you can't get it at all? Also, are you trying to play MP3's and have you just installed kubuntu for the first time?
[06:15] <Andruk_Tatum> i cant remember if i got sound on kubuntu before, (ive had it for awhile, ive just been at my other house over the summer) i dont think i have ever been able to get sound.  so, i try to play an mp3 file with amarok, kaffeine, rhythmbox, and vlc, and i cant get any sound, and it normally gives me a mesage that no audio drivers could be initialized
[06:15] <azmodean> wolfmanz: a few other reasons are that no ports are open by default and linux isn't targeted as much as windows
[06:15] <NeoFax> Anyone know of a linux distro that is preconfigured as a SOHO server?
[06:15] <Andruk_Tatum> and to change any necessary files, you have to know the admin pw
[06:15] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: What soundcard do you have?
[06:15] <crimsun> Andruk_Tatum: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[06:16] <wolfmanz> azmodean ya but that depends on the distro in terms of ports being open some aint to good about that
[06:16] <Wind> i must be doing something wrong because it still gives me the error "mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:17] <Andruk_Tatum> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20167
[06:17] <azmodean> I thought that was typical across the ubuntu distros, not an expert of course though...
[06:17] <XVampireX> Andruk_Tatum: 1. the admin password is your user password. 2. you may need to download the neccessary codecs to be able to play sound 3. if 2 fails, you need to configure your sound driver.
[06:17] <unix_infidel> anyone know how to allow access to all 192.168.1.* in hosts.allow??
[06:18] <Andruk_Tatum> um, okay...so, for mp3 files in amarok, how do i find what codecs i need?
[06:18] <Andruk_Tatum> oh, and m4a files
[06:18] <djclue917> unix_infidel: what's the output of "route -n"
[06:19] <crimsun> Andruk_Tatum: lsmod |grep ^snd_ens1371
[06:19] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: cat /var/log/messages | grep snd_ens1371
[06:20] <Andruk_Tatum> neither return anything
[06:21] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: sudo modprobe snd_ens1371
[06:21] <Andruk_Tatum> nuttin
[06:22] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: Now see if kmix see's the card
[06:23] <djclue917> Andruk_Tatum: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:23] <djclue917> Andruk_Tatum: that's the link for all your multimedia needs.
[06:23] <inc|freaky> hi all. does anyone know how to add GIF support to rrdtool?
[06:24] <Andruk_Tatum> :O it sees the card (thats progress)
[06:24] <Andruk_Tatum> thx
[06:24] <NeoFax> Anyone know how to up the debug level for postfix to see what the delivery location is?
[06:25] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: Do sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf.  then run sudo sysv-rc-conf and turn on alsa for levels 2345.
[06:26] <NeoFax> I am having problems with postfix not delivering to a virtual maildir.
[06:27] <Andruk_Tatum> k
[06:27] <Wind> i must be doing something wrong because it still gives me the error "mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:28] <Wind> i try sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/sd1
[06:28] <Wind> but it doesn't work
[06:29] <Andruk_Tatum> Neofax: okay, now what?
[06:30] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: Have you turned on ALSA for levels 2345?
[06:30] <Andruk_Tatum> yes
[06:30] <NeoFax> If so, do invoke-rc.d alsa restart
[06:30] <NeoFax> Then do sudo invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart
[06:30] <Andruk_Tatum> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/alsa not found.
[06:31] <NeoFax> This should restart your sound card drivers.
[06:31] <NeoFax> ok do ls -l | grep alsa
[06:31] <Andruk_Tatum> nothing
[06:32] <azmodean> also you can check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 if you haven't already "comprehensive sound problems guide for ubuntu"
[06:32] <Andruk_Tatum> ah, thank you
[06:32] <NeoFax> ok do ls -l /etc/init.d | grep alsa,  This is what it should have read
[06:33] <Andruk_Tatum> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  9282 2006-05-29 06:03 alsa-utils
[06:34] <sinppa_> is anybody having problems with plf-repos? or is the problem only in my sources.list :O
[06:35] <NeoFax> So then do invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart
[06:35] <crimsun> Andruk_Tatum: pastebin your amixer output
[06:35] <jimmy> does anyone know how to find out what the environmental variables are in Imagemagick? I am trying to find the temporary directory it uses
[06:37] <NeoFax> sinppa_: They changed their server to freecontribs.org I think.
[06:38] <danl> All xine based media players error and say all audio drivers fail. Why would this be?
[06:38] <sinppa_> NeoFax: ok, ill try to fix my sources.list and try if it's working
[06:38] <Andruk_Tatum> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20169
[06:39] <danl> include vlc in that
[06:40] <danl> all audio seems to fail
[06:40] <adamf4i> hello
[06:41] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: What does tail /var/log/messages say?  ALSA failed and should have written why it did.
[06:41] <crimsun> Andruk_Tatum: amixer set 'Master' 80% && amixer set 'Line In->Rear Out' on && amixer set 'PC Speaker' on
[06:42] <Hawkwind> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf/ dapper free non-free
[06:42] <Hawkwind> deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf/ dapper free non-free
[06:42] <Hawkwind> sinppa_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:42] <adamf4i> anyone know much about installing video drivers im having alot fo trouble
[06:42] <thompa> dani: have you tried alsaconf
[06:43] <danl> no, sound just suddenly stopped working, because it worked before
[06:43] <sinppa_> Hawkwind: I have it exactly like that. I think my problem about problems with my ISP. Some sites aren't working :O Guess I'll just have to wait and see
[06:43] <sinppa_> but thanks anyway :)
[06:44] <Hawkwind> sinppa_: No problem :)
[06:44] <Andruk_Tatum> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20171
[06:44] <Hawkwind> sinppa_: Might be a DNS issue.  Might check in /etc/resolv.conf and make sure you have nameservers listed there correctly
[06:46] <sinppa_> Hawkwind: I think it isn't about that, I blame that damned ISP. Many other are having problems with that
[06:47] <danl> eh, n/m fixed it
[06:47] <crimsun> Andruk_Tatum: right, now ``amixer /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav''
[06:48] <Andruk_Tatum> amixer: Unknown command '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav'...
[06:48] <crimsun> Andruk_Tatum: err, sorry, aplay not amixer
[06:49] <crimsun> (too many things going on simultaneously)
[06:49] <Andruk_Tatum> np
[06:49] <adamf4i> anyone know much about installing video drivers im having alot fo trouble
[06:50] <Andruk_Tatum> okay, OMG
[06:50] <Andruk_Tatum> zound!
[06:50] <soulrider> adamf4i: i can help you if you want
[06:50] <tidiman07> hi, i need someone with nmap to help for a sec
[06:50] <Andruk_Tatum> okay, so that got sound
[06:50] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: Now do alsactl -s to save these as default.
[06:51] <adamf4i> ok
[06:51] <Andruk_Tatum> OMG, thank you so much!!!!
[06:51] <soulrider> ok, first did you follow the instruction on the site
[06:51] <NeoFax> As for the mp3 and such you need to install the other codecs
[06:51] <soulrider> !nvidia
[06:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:51] <Andruk_Tatum> "invalid option -- s"
[06:51] <adamf4i> soul u got aim
[06:51] <soulrider> yea
[06:51] <soulrider> Darkstar2558
[06:52] <tidiman07> need help from nmap user
[06:53] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: alsactl store
[06:54] <Andruk_Tatum> thank you!
[06:54] <Andruk_Tatum> "alsactl: save_state:1190: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing" sudo?
[06:55] <tidiman07> who has nmap installed?
[06:56] <tidiman07> nobody wants to help me?
[06:56] <adamf4i> need help installin video drivers < ATI
[06:56] <NeoFax> Andruk_Tatum: Maybe I will get it this time? sudo alsactl store
[07:01] <adamf4i> need help installin video drivers < ATI
[07:01] <abattoir> !ati
[07:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:02] <abattoir> adamf4i: ^^^^ followed that guide ?
[09:14] (intelikey/#kubuntu) wolfmanz idk  a while now.   why ?
[09:15] <intelikey> long enough to make it do what i want it to.  whether the distor/packagers think it should or not.   :)
[09:15] <wolfmanz> intelikey: what makes kubuntu make secure then say windows xp aside from being logged in as root and the fact linux dont dont have the user number s windows does?
[09:16] <intelikey> wolfmanz sorry for not being able to translate that,  but could you rephrase it please ?
[09:16] <nixternal> no viruses, no spyware, no malware...shall i continue?  oh, and when there is a USN security notice the devs and security team have a fix released immediately
[09:17] <wolfmanz> intelikey: do you think linux/kubuntu is more secure then windows xp and if so why is it?
[09:17] <Jucato> nixternal speaketh, we must all listen :-D
[09:17] <nixternal> heh
[09:17] <Jucato> s/listen/listeneth
[09:17] <Jucato> lol
[09:18] <EricCartman> Is there a tool to select active gcc version ?
[09:19] <EricCartman> as in, c++ will call g++-3.4 etc
[09:19] <nixternal> good question..kinda like you can select a java version and make it active
[09:22] (nixternal/#kubuntu) intelikey: you cut off at 'moderately
[09:22] (intelikey/#kubuntu) secure' by default,  it can
[09:22] (nixternal/#kubuntu) i love the 12lb hammer bit though ;)
[09:22] (Jucato/#kubuntu) intelikey: how do you do one-liner commands without sudo?
[09:22] (intelikey/#kubuntu)             be enhanced greatly without the hammer
[09:22] (intelikey/#kubuntu) Jucato ?
[09:22] <ubuntu> I have a question
[09:22] (nixternal/#kubuntu) ask away ubuntu
[09:22] <ubuntu> why can I not mount my HDD
[09:22] <Jucato> intelikey:  i mean,using su? coz there's no sudo in MEPIS :-D
[09:23] <nixternal> how are you trying to mount it?
[09:23] <ubuntu> I am using kubuntu in a live disk fashion
[09:23] <ubuntu> just right clicking in konquerer and selecting mount
[09:23] <nixternal> that works for me
[09:23] <ubuntu> its NTFS
[09:23] <Jucato> intelikey: so if I just wanted to "apt-get install blahblahblah", I have to use "su", then the command, then "exit"...
[09:23] <intelikey> Jucato you have to su -    then run the command string    that is (script wise) safer in a sense
[09:23] <nixternal> oh, then it won't work i do not believe, but i don't have ntfs or fat anywhere in theis house
[09:24] <ubuntu> no NTFS read support?
[09:24] <nixternal> ya, it can read ntfs no doubt
[09:24] <ubuntu> I thought pretty much all distros had NTFS read support
[09:24] <intelikey> Jucato i think su can run commands also
[09:25] <intelikey> Jucato man su    -c will cause the next argument to be treated as a command
[09:25] <tk> nfts3g is almost done in beta I believe... it works great for me with r/w for NTFS
[09:25] <Jucato> hmm... interesting
[09:25] <ubuntu> so what do you suggest
[09:25] <nixternal> i need to get me a ntfs partition so i can play around i guess
[09:25] <Jucato> I'll try that later in MEPIS. :-D
[09:25] <nixternal> tk, can he use it via live cd?
[09:25] <nixternal> i mean is it easy for him to grab and install?
[09:25] <Jucato> ubuntu: have you made a mount point (something like /media/hda3) for your NTFS drive?
[09:26] <imbrandon_> ubuntu: http://jclark.org/weblog/Miscellany/Tech/ubrescue.html
[09:26] <imbrandon_> ^^ explains it easy like
[09:26] <tk> nixternal: its not completely simple, have to download FUSE and install it, then get ntfs3g working correctly
[09:26] <nixternal> ya, i seen that in the forums
[09:26] <intelikey> wolfmanz did that answer your question?
[09:26] <ubuntu> no, I assume mount makes a point and whatnot
[09:26] <tk> nixternal: when I setup it up this time, I'm gonna try and script it so its a 1 shot deal in the future
[09:26] <nixternal> i could always make a ntfs partition for like a gig or something to play with ;)
[09:27] <tk> nix: dont even need a gig :P
[09:27] <Jucato> !ntfs
[09:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:27] <ubuntu> error is "mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[09:27] <imbrandon_> ubuntu: http://jclark.org/weblog/Miscellany/Tech/ubrescue.html
[09:27] <imbrandon_> ^^ explains it easy like
[09:27] <nixternal> tk, i bought all these big supid hard drives, and only use like 5%
[09:27] <nixternal> ;) i can use a gig
[09:27] <nixternal> lol
[09:27] <wolfmanz> intelikey: i'm thinkiing about your answer lol...
[09:27] <tk> nixternal: and getting ntfs3g to mount via fstab appears to be tricky, mine I had to mount every reboot cause my fstab line wasnt right
[09:28] <tk> nixternal: I'll buy one? then you can increase your % :P
[09:28] <nixternal> lol
[09:28] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/zero of=file && mkfs.ntfs file
[09:28] <Jucato> ubuntu: you might want to read this, too: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows.php
[09:29] <intelikey> and yes that needs a limit on the size or it will fill the drive.
[09:29] <nixternal> we can tell who still uses windows in here ;)
[09:29] <tk> hmmm why does amarok keep rebuilding my collection everytime i run it...
[09:29] <imbrandon_> you probably have rescan collection on startup checked in the options
[09:30] <tk> i didnt see that option, just checked for it
[09:30] <intelikey> nixternal some body in here uses M$ ???    lets hang 'em
[09:30] <nixternal> tk, it did that to me as well...i blasted my ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok directory and restarted amarok..it did a scan one time and that was it afterwards
[09:31] <Jucato> tk: do you do something that changes the contents of the folders that Amarok is supposed to be watching for it's collection, before you start Amarok?
[09:31] <nixternal> i also had a bogus file muckin' up amarok as well
[09:31] <wolfmanz> i use windows all the time
[09:31] <tk> Jucato: nope
[09:31] <Jucato> hmm...
[09:31] <nixternal> me to wolfmanz, everytime i get in my car i roll them down
[09:31] <wolfmanz> lol i meant windows xp lol
[09:32] <intelikey> wolfmanz security is not why i use linux.    i can tell you why i use linux in one word    " EULA "    plain and simple.
[09:32] <tk> nixternal: i blasted all the .DB and .html/xml files from that a bit ago, but I switch  to used MySQL instaed of SQLite... maybe it doesnt work with MySQL well?
[09:32] <nixternal> no intelikey, CUSTOMIZABLE
[09:32] <nixternal> ;)
[09:32] <nixternal> ooh, that i don't know, as i only used the lite
[09:32] <wolfmanz> intelikey: why do they bother you?
[09:32] <Jucato> nixternal: same reason as mine. Security and stability only came 2nd and 3rd
[09:32] <nixternal> yup
[09:32] <intelikey> no that's not why.   i do like that,  but the reason is the EUKA
[09:32] <nixternal> i love how i can hack my Kubuntu anyway that i like
[09:32] <djclue917> intelikey: EULA is not a word. :D
[09:33] <intelikey> one in every crowd
[09:33] <Jucato> lol
[09:33] <nixternal> im free to break it, reinstall it, oh, and never have to register or re-register, or call because i registered more then 5 times or what not ;)
[09:33] <Jucato> he should have said: 1 acronym "EULA"
[09:33] <tk> djclue917: its pronounced you-luh :P
[09:33] <Jucato> or if I change my processor/motherboard, I won't have to buy a new license :-D
[09:34] <Search4Lancer> how do I disable Flash in Firefox? I don't want to uninstall it, just temp disable it, it's really slowing me down, all these freaking flash ads
[09:34] <intelikey> ah ha.   acronym literly means another name   NAME  as in word   ha  :)
[09:34] <tk> lol
[09:34] <tk> lets blast that dir again and see what happens
[09:36] <ubuntu> ok, editing the fstab worked
[09:36] <tk> bleh konveration doesnt to /exec i guess
[09:36] <ubuntu> one thing down, although I dont know why its so tricky
[09:36] <djclue917> tk: yeah i know that.
[09:36] <word> stop saying word :(
[09:36] <ubuntu> now I got a whole new question
[09:37] <tk> djclue917: I was implying that it is a word since it has a pronunciation not that you didnt know what it was ;)
[09:37] <Jucato> is anyone else experiencing lag in freenode lately?
[09:37] <ubuntu> my other computer wont boot kubuntu as a live disk
[09:38] <ubuntu> gets going
[09:38] <ubuntu> everything "ok"
[09:38] <ubuntu> gets past the screen where it says it comes without warranty
[09:38] <djclue917> tk: well, it isn't a word. and AFAIK, most acronyms have pronunciations too like GNU for example..
[09:38] <ubuntu> then it just freezes
[09:38] <intelikey> but at any rate, when i used M$-DOS  i wanted it to be "free"  even though i didn't even know there was a unix at that time.  then windows came along and i thought they should at least gpl the old dos apps seeing they had stopped supporting them and stopped developing them.   but some where about there i found linux   and the rest as they say is history.
[09:39] <tk> djclue917: it was also sarcasm that's poorly conveyed over IRC :P
[09:39] <Jucato> ubuntu: have you tried to start the CD in safe graphics mode?
[09:39] <ubuntu> yep
[09:39] <Jucato> hm...
[09:39] <ubuntu> its odd, this is the crappy computer
[09:39] <ubuntu> doesn't work on my good one
[09:40] <intelikey> djclue917 names are words.
[09:40] <ubuntu> I tried the 64 bit originally, since its an amd64
[09:40] <ubuntu> didn't work, so I tried the 32 bit
[09:40] <ubuntu> didn't work either
[09:40] <Jucato> err... words... names... sounds...
[09:40] <tk> hmmm i guess I should start working towards NTFS r/w support agian since thereis no whay I am backing up  300gigs to convert to ext3, not when I need to use them at work occasionally
[09:40] <djclue917> intelikey: names, of course are words. but acronyms are acronyms. they are never words.
[09:41] <banana21> ok there
[09:41] <tk> wow is an acronym and a word... :P (more sarcasm sorry)
[09:41] <banana21> figured out how to change my nick
[09:41] <word> :(
[09:41] <intelikey> lazer xray scuba and even nasa are not words...
[09:42] <Healot> Windows on Windows?
[09:42] <tk> word, why use a nick so easily triggered by sentences?
[09:43] <Healot> WOW
[09:43] <word> er.....my nick was there first? o.O
[09:43] <intelikey> pow
[09:43] <word> yes that seems like a good answer
[09:43] <intelikey> cups
[09:43] <intelikey> wine
[09:43] <Arkkis> word, you could reverse your nick
[09:43] <Arkkis> drow
[09:43] <Jucato> GNOME
[09:43] <tk> but his he a dark elf? :P
[09:43] <Jucato> :D
[09:43] <tk> but is he... rather
[09:44] <word> ><
[09:44] <Arkkis> :D
[09:44] <intelikey> :)
[09:44] <banana21> any idea of the issue?
[09:44] <Arkkis> heh
[09:44] <banana21> im thinking something is missing a driver
[09:44] <Arkkis> a, say something
[09:45] <a> lol
[09:45] <Arkkis> hehe
[09:45] <Jucato> I'm me again!!!
[09:45] <Arkkis> yay
[09:46] <djclue917> intelikey: yeah they're not.by the way, when did X-ray became an acronym?
[09:46] <intelikey> djclue917 you win.
[09:46] <Jucato> round one. FIGHT!
[09:46] <Jucato> er... Round Two, I mean..
[09:47] <intelikey> not interested Jucato,  sorry.
[09:47] <Jucato> intelikey: ^_^
[09:47] <alkali> So I created my own kernel successfully and booted it.  But the headers it made, did not make a makefile.cpu in the i386 folder and now ati drivers won't finish installing.  What is my best option?
[09:48] <Arkkis> heh, someones nick is _
[09:48] <banana21> did you see, ati might open source their drivers
[09:48] <djclue917> intelikey: no i didn't. anyways, back to Kubuntu-related topics. :)
[09:48] <alkali> ouch
[09:48] <banana21> intel just did for one of their chipsets
[09:49] <alkali> damn that wasn't even subtle
[09:49] <intelikey> wolfmanz about 'security'  ever get a virus ?
[09:49] <alkali> act like no one in here owns an ati card using ubuntu packages to install it
[09:49] <Jucato> ....
[09:49] <alkali> 261 people and I'm the only one with an ati card
[09:50] <alkali> I'm calling ripleys
[09:50] <wolfmanz> intelikey: 2 back in the dos days a buddy of mine sent me a infected file lol
[09:50] <djclue917> alkali: fallback to the default kernel? you wont gain anything in recompiling you own kernel unless you really need to recompile your own because unexpected problems perhaps.
[09:50] <intelikey> alkali nv here
[09:51] <alkali> djclue917: I only recompiled because I heard my pci controller was supported in the new kernel.
[09:51] <alkali> it was true
[09:51] <intelikey> wolfmanz heh  yeah,   i even got the   ny-boot  bug on my hdd in the dos days.   lots of learning curve there...  lol
[09:52] <wolfmanz> intelikey: the one i had was the doom death virus lol it was a pian in the ass cleaning that one up
[09:52] <alkali> djclue917: can I use the same file do you think from the other kernel?
[09:52] <intelikey> wolfmanz ever got one in linux ?
[09:52] <djclue917> alkali: are you talking about the kernel modules? i don't think so..
[09:53] <djclue917> alkali: have you applied patches to your recompiled kernel?
[09:53] <alkali> no, vanilla style with ubuntu config file
[09:53] <intelikey> caution    kernel version mismatch
[09:53] <alkali> I'll tackle suspend2 another day
[09:53] <djclue917> alkali: i think you still need to separately recompile the fglrx kernel modules for your new kernel
[09:53] <wolfmanz> intelikey: no i havent used linux long enough only have looked at it a few times and only recently i installed kubuntu all my other time was spent on windows and never had a virus on that ethier.
[09:54] <djclue917> alkali: so you installed a newer kernel? 2.6.17 perhaps?
[09:54] <alkali> djclue917: that is the one.  And I haven't installed fglrx or ati on any kernel.  This was my first attempt.
[09:55] <intelikey> wolfmanz uncommon,  most have several along the way...      as for linux there are about what 5 virii that can/could affect the linux sustem... i've never seen one of them.
[09:55] <tk> i love how sometimes amarok just wont load, but if you cmd line it, it opens right up
[09:55] <intelikey> system
[09:55] <djclue917> alkali: you need to build the ati kernel modules for your new kernel. however, i'm afraid i can't help you with that. you may opt to search for HOWTOs regarding that matter.
[09:56] <alkali> djclue917: all I needed was a direction and you pointed me that way.  I'll let google handle this. :)
[09:56] <wolfmanz> intelikey: its only uncommon if you dont use common sence.  If they used more common sence they wouldnt have most of the problems they do have
[09:57] <djclue917> alkali: well goodluck searching. actually, i think i've read something about installing new versions of fglrx but i forgot the link.
[09:57] <wolfmanz> intelikey: also they have to keep off the porn sites lol and dont use Internet explorer with its active x crap
[09:58] <alkali> djclue917: it's all good, thank you for your time.  I know its a kubuntu room.  ATI's room is so unhelpful sometimes.
[09:58] <Healot> 8 patches for Windows XP SP2 this month
[09:58] <Jucato_> only 8?
[09:58] <Healot> eventually they fix the Yahoo! thing
[09:58] <Healot> for XP SP2
[09:58] <Jucato> :-D
[09:58] <Healot> 23 in total - 3 for Office, 20 for Windows (various)
[09:59] <djclue917> alkali: BTW, have you tried downloading ATI's installer? you can generate a *.deb file with their installer. I just don't know if it will work. i haven't tried it yet.
[09:59] <kraut> moin
[09:59] <Healot> no rollup udates :)
[09:59] <Healot> all new i guess
[10:00] <djclue917> alkali: this may help you: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[10:00] <intelikey> wolfmanz and at the same time "if people used common sense"   is like saying if a frog had wings...
[10:00] <alkali> djclue917: oh I followed the wiki word for word.  Just when I got to sudo module-assistant build fglrx it gave me the error that I didn't have a makefile.cpu
[10:00] <alkali> in my new headers
[10:00] <alkali> but both other kernels have that file in them.
[10:01] <djclue917> alkali: oh... i guess it didn't worked also.
[10:01] <wolfmanz> intelikey: common sence comes after you have been effected once lol then you make sure that dont happen again
[10:01] <intelikey> wolfmanz that's one reason i don't want 'most' people to use linux.    most people are idiots.

[10:02] <wolfmanz> intelikey: i agree with you witch makes me wonder how secure linux would be if it had the same user base windows does
[10:02] <tk> hmmm, now for a good way to make my volume controls actually control my volume....
[10:02] <Healot> hoho
[10:02] <Jucato_> well, just look at it this way: for new users to survive in Linux, they will be forced to learn good and safe computer habits. If they succeed in that, they will go on with Linux. But if they refuse to learn, they'll go back to the other side... :-D
[10:03] <Healot> refering to thyself?
[10:03] <alkali> djclue917: that's what lead me here.  But if it comes down to it I'll post in the forums and find an alternative
[10:03] <intelikey> heh yeah that's one good thing about coding for open source.   you ain't paying me, i don't work for you.  i'll write the damn thing the way i want it.    if you don't like it, you fix it.
[10:03] <intelikey> :)
[10:03] <Jucato_> tk: which of the volume controls in KMix does control your volume?
[10:04] <tk> Jucato: oddly... my volume buttons control no volumes
[10:04] <Jucato_> tk: all of them? not even PCM?
[10:04] <intelikey> and there are always 13 knotheads that will do just that.
[10:04] <tk> npe, not even PCM
[10:04] <Jucato_> ok.. that's strange..
[10:05] <tk> with ubuntu, it controled my master volume
[10:05] <tk> kubuntu for some reason is different in many aspects as to what does and doesnt work
[10:06] <intelikey> tk command line   alsamixer   and see if it controls volume
[10:09] <tk> intelikey: yes it does, my kmix controls it, but doesnt respond to any of my volume controlls
[10:09] <tk> alsamixer doesnt respond to it either of course
[10:10] <tk> I rigged it up in Ubuntu so that all my volume keys moved all the volume controls, but that killed my OSD which kubuntu seems to lack as well
[10:10] <tk> with xbindkeys... but im hoping to find a more... pleasing solution
[10:11] <Ash-Fox> You messed with ubuntu, which killed some OSD kubuntu has, what?
[10:11] <tk> no
[10:11] <Jucato_> I think you menan ESD?
[10:12] <Jucato_> s/menan/mean
[10:12] <Healot> i think he meant OSD
[10:12] <Healot> sorry ESD :)
[10:12] <Jucato_> egege
[10:12] <Jucato_> ehhehe
[10:12] <tk> in Ubuntu, volume control worked, it had an ON SCREEN DISPLAY when you changed the volume, but with linux it appers lineout/earphones/master volume are all seperate entitities, so I used Xbindkeys to tie them all together via alsamixer, but made the OSD stopp displaying
[10:13] <Jucato_> aaaah
[10:13] <Jucato_> hmmm
[10:13] <tk> however, I like knowing roughly how high my volumes are so I'd like to find a better solution
[10:13] <tk> my sound runs through my surround system which can be bad if the volume is cranked and I forget :P
[10:14] <Ash-Fox> run kmix
[10:14] <Ash-Fox> and configure it's global shortcuts
[10:14] <intelikey> tk idk  a quick scan on the wiki's didn't help anything.   jugle maybe
[10:14] <tk> ash: kmix doesnt appear to do OSD
[10:16] <Ash-Fox> tk, hm, yes it appears it doesn't, what a annoyance
[10:16] <gogeta> enable it
[10:17] <tk> gogeta: I see no options for that in kmix
[10:17] <gogeta> probly from alisa
[10:17] <Jucato_> the only OSD it has is when you are actually changing the volume control, either by shortcut keys or by rolling your mouse wheel over the kmix icon
[10:17] <intelikey> i realized eariler that i don't have 'kubuntu' any more...   kde being absent   and it's not  'ubuntu'  cause 'nome is not there...  i just have  buntu  i guess.     but it may not even be that seeing that  python and perl are both missing....
[10:18] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, if you want to get it back sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I believe
[10:18] <intelikey> Ash-Fox ok
[10:18] <tk> intelikey: so what DE do you use?
[10:18] <tk> desktop environment...
[10:18] <intelikey> DE ...  none.
[10:19] <tk> sorry, work gets me into acronyms :/
[10:19] <tk> use terminal progs?
[10:19] <intelikey> console
[10:19] <Jucato_> whoa
[10:19] <Jucato_> you're using irssi right now?
[10:19] <intelikey> no
[10:19] <intelikey> bitchx  irssi needs perl
[10:19] <gogeta> i see alot more cotnroles in alisa mixer
[10:20] <gogeta> and stuff you can unhide
[10:20] <tk> alisa or alsa?
[10:21] <gogeta> alsamixer
[10:21] <gogeta> all kmix is a gui for it
[10:21] <gogeta> stuff you unhide there will be in kmix
[10:22] <gogeta> if it supports osd then you should be able to enable it from there
[10:22] <tk> i dont see anything to unhide in the cmd line alsa display
[10:23] <gogeta> guess its not hidden
[10:23] <gogeta> humm
[10:24] <intelikey> it's like hot
[10:26] <Jucato> sleepy...
[10:26] <Healot> ALSA like Salsa, she's one hot audio driver
[10:26] <gogeta> whats like hot lol
[10:26] <gogeta> lol
[10:27] <Jucato> they could have just called ALSA as ALISA... Advanced LInux Sound Architecture.. :-D
[10:27] <intelikey> very simular to hot
[10:28] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:28] <intelikey> one might even surmise that it actually is hot.
[10:28] <Jucato> does anyone know of any "easy" and not too technical tips/tricks/howto's to speed up Kubuntu? prelinking doesn't work, btw
[10:29] <gogeta> Developers: Intel Open Sources Graphics Drivers
[10:29] <gogeta> lol
[10:29] <gogeta> guess alsomt every igp will be supported
[10:29] <gogeta> lol
[10:29] <Jucato> I'll rejoice over that news the day Intel makes non-IGP video cards
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: kill off unneeded programs works pretty well - start with an empty, or a saved, cut back session
[10:29] <gogeta> ill rejoyec when it says ati
[10:29] <gogeta> and nivida
[10:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: done. even reduced the number of virtual terminals. Still not that fast :-D
[10:30] <Jucato> definitely slower the MEPIS 6 out of the box... :-(
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true...run xfce if you're really looking for speed
[10:30] <Jucato> or slower than Ubuntu (gastp!)
[10:30] <gogeta> lol
[10:30] <Hobbsee> probably slower than suse too... if you find their performance patches, do tell
[10:30] <gogeta> its fast for me
[10:30] <gogeta> its faster then suse
[10:30] <gogeta> and easer to matane
[10:31] <Jucato> gogeta: I thought Kubuntu was fast too. until I installed SimplyMEPIS 6
[10:31] <intelikey> Jucato number of vt's has negledgable affect.   an idle console uses 0 cpu     at least in theory.
[10:31] <Jucato> I don't believe in the "you want fast, use Xfce" answer (no offense meant Hobbsee)
[10:32] <intelikey> you want fast use twm      hehhe
[10:32] <Ash-Fox> XFCE never gave me kio slaves and memory efficient applications
[10:32] <Jucato> coz, I saw how MEPIS 6 was faster on my system, while still using KDE with all the bling...
[10:32] <Jucato> heh, Xfce doesn't even have a trash can right now :-D
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true.  however, xfce is known to be a lot faster anyway
[10:32] <Jucato> But boy was Xubuntu really fast, even on a live cd
[10:32] <gogeta> lol
[10:32] <gogeta> mepis
[10:33] <gogeta> well diffrent distro
[10:33] <Jucato> gogeta: half truth. MEPIS 6 is now basically half Kubuntu
[10:33] <Healot> because it is lightweight/minimalist
[10:33] <gogeta> lol
[10:33] <Jucato> in fact, MEPIS 6 has only one MEPIS repository. the rest are all Ubuntu's
[10:33] <gogeta> whant spped get the gentoo stage 1 cd
[10:34] <gogeta> compile your own dam system
[10:34] <gogeta> lol
[10:34] <Jucato> ouch...
[10:34] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:34] <rob> imo Mepis is really nice, Mark should take a few devels under the Kubuntu wing or something
[10:34] <Jucato> I was hoping I wouldn't need to leave
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> What I really like about kubuntu, is how many things are already configured out of the box, unlike other distros where I'd have to mess with configuring arts if I wanted it to work, not just simply install the package
[10:34] <gogeta> you get the kernel and emerge lol
[10:34] <intelikey> full truth.   wouldn't matter if it was 99.9% blah it's still a different distro.
[10:35] <Jucato> intelikey: true. But if you look at the resources behind Kubuntu and MEPIS, who would you presume to have a better performance, disregarding multimedia codecs and other restricted stuff? (talking about speed and optimization here)
[10:36] <intelikey> Jucato debian    where they both come from....
[10:36] <wckdkl0wn> anyone know of a newsreader for linux?
[10:36] <gogeta> and abought 50 others
[10:36] <gogeta> lol
[10:36] <Ash-Fox> wckdkl0wn, thunderbird, knode.
[10:36] <Jucato> intelikey: lol!! but Debian is severely hampered by it's development process
[10:36] <Jucato> gogeta: 50 others?
[10:36] <gogeta> how many linux distros are there lol
[10:36] <gogeta> 130?
[10:36] <lhds> when i try to modprobe my tv card i get insmod /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>/kernel/drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134.ko sox -c 2 -s -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp tuner=54 card=65 i2c_scan=1 oss=1 video_nr=0 dsp_nr=1 mixer_nr=3  where  are those arguments saved?
[10:36] <wckdkl0wn> not talking about mail clients
[10:36] <intelikey> Jucato you call hampered  we call 'good'.
[10:37] <Jucato> I'm just talking about Kubuntu and MEPIS since they share the same base
[10:37] <wckdkl0wn> newsreaders for opening nzb files
[10:37] <gogeta> so
[10:37] <gogeta> same base doesent make a diffrence
[10:37] <gogeta> its on how its built
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> wckdkl0wn, you asked for newsreaders, not usenet binary downloaders.
[10:37] <Jucato> intelikey: well, that depends. Debian is rock solid stable. But some later releases of some packages involved speed optimizations
[10:38] <gogeta> hey that depends to
[10:38] <gogeta> go downloading the unsatble relese
[10:38] <gogeta> ll
[10:38] <Jucato> gogeta: that's the point. They have the same base. Kubuntu has more developers than MEPIS (which basically only has Warren). Then why is MEPIS still faster?
[10:38] <gogeta> you whont say that
[10:38] <wckdkl0wn> my bad yea thats what i meant though
[10:38] <Jucato> I'm only talking about Debian Sarge
[10:39] <gogeta> maybe couse he builds it tobe faster
[10:39] <gogeta> you can make any distro fast
[10:39] <gogeta> but you lose ease of use and compatbly
[10:39] <Jucato> and we'll presume that Kubuntu was built to be fast, too?
[10:40] <gogeta> i can make tis distro fly if i wanted to take the time to recompile it for my pc
[10:40] <gogeta> but its fast enough
[10:41] <Jucato> oh, sorry, let me make a small clarification. "Out of the box"
[10:41] <intelikey> Jucato being a year or two behind for a reason    it's not foolish to say.  'what if they find a hiden flaw that wrecks everything'   caution  as wolfmanz pointed out eariler is more often than not, a good thing.     but they build more than one brand of automobile because not everyone likes the same things.
[10:41] <Ash-Fox> wckdkl0wn, I can't remember the name of it, but it's definately under add/remove programs, under internet somewhere.
[10:41] <Ash-Fox> Just look at the description to find it
[10:41] <intelikey> Jucato kubuntu is not designed to be fast.  no.
[10:42] <gogeta> acully it was
[10:42] <gogeta> for a kde distro itflys
[10:42] <TheHighChild> wckdkl0wn: I use knode as my newsreader, not suer if it will do what you want
[10:42] <intelikey> i disagree.
[10:42] <gogeta> it was built to be fast and comoatble
[10:42] <Jucato> just remember, I'm not comparing Kubuntu's speed with other DE's speed (Xfce or GNOME)
[10:42] <gogeta> so you got a inbetween
[10:42] <Jucato> just within the KDE distros circle
[10:42] <intelikey> the default kubuntu is not even fast for kubuntu.   a little tweeking and it's much better/faster...
[10:43] <gogeta> fast for me
[10:43] <gogeta> makes suse look slow
[10:43] <Jucato> It's faster than Windows, I'm sure of that :-D
[10:43] <gogeta> hell yea
[10:43] <intelikey> but suse is slow
[10:43] <Bazzi> not really :-(
[10:43] <gogeta> any liux distro is
[10:44] <gogeta> maybe not a fresh install of windows
[10:44] <gogeta> but any normel version
[10:44] <gogeta> thats been loaded with shit
[10:44] <Jucato> anyway, back to my original question: what other things can I do to improve speed/performance in Kubuntu?
[10:44] <gogeta> if you whant spped to be honest using kde was a bad idea
[10:44] <Jucato> Fresh install of XP is fast, but barely usable. :-D
[10:44] <gogeta> speed
[10:44] <Jucato> gogeta: why?
[10:45] <gogeta> kde is the sloest windows manager for linux
[10:45] <intelikey> renice it   lol
[10:45] <gogeta> couse it looks nice etc
[10:45] <Jucato> probably, but that doesn't mean it has to be slow. Again, back to my example of MEPIS...
[10:45] <clemons> XP always seems to go kind of crappy until you tune it up a bit, in my opinion
[10:45] <Jucato> It's KDE, but it's not that slow either.
[10:45] <intelikey> gogeta 'nome runs it a good race there.
[10:45] <gogeta> yea
[10:46] <gogeta> gnome is a bit faster but bloted as well
[10:46] <Jucato> lol! that's the first time I heard anyone say GNOME was bloated... (if that's what you meant by "bloted")
[10:46] <Healot> cpu specific kernel?
[10:46] <gogeta> well you can change kdes setting to performance mode
[10:46] <Jucato> Healot: running k7 kernel on AMD Sempron 2200
[10:46] <gogeta> it turns off all the fancy eye candy
[10:47] <Healot> less services running in the background, recompile kernel to modules that you need
[10:47] <intelikey> Jucato gnome is bloated.   now you have heard it two times... :)
[10:47] <gogeta> if you whant real spped run somethinglike xfce
[10:47] <gogeta> there built to be fast
[10:47] <Jucato> Healot: done. except the recompiling the kernel. last time I did that it went bad. Probably added to the fact that I'm using the NVIDIA binary drivers
[10:47] <intelikey> twm
[10:48] <gogeta> yep twm windows maker
[10:48] <gogeta> thers a few
[10:48] <wckdkl0wn> is there anyway to clean up a video playing in full screen in vlc.. its all choppy no matter what vid i play
[10:48] <Jucato> so am I safe to presume that what you all mean is that it's impossible for Kubuntu to be fast, using KDE and KWin...
[10:48] <gogeta> not relly
[10:48] <Healot> gogeta, so do you prefer somthing like OpenMotif?
[10:48] <Jucato> well, that seems to be where the answers are going...
[10:48] <gogeta> but you full speed
[10:48] <gogeta> for
[10:49] <Jucato> i don't need full speed. I just want "faster than this..."
[10:49] <gogeta> running a lightwight system
[10:49] <gogeta> whats your pc specs btw
[10:49] <Jucato> 1.5 GHz, 640MB RAM, NVIDIA w/ 128MB memory
[10:49] <Hobbsee> ouch?
[10:49] <gogeta> you shouldent be slow at all
[10:50] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[10:50] <gogeta> 1.8 p4 312 ram 128mb ati
[10:50] <Healot> I prefer Motif as in CDE for Linux, old school but rather lightweight
[10:50] <Jucato> well, let's see. Kubuntu boots around 35 seconds
[10:50] <Jucato> no DHCP btw...
[10:50] <gogeta> ?
[10:50] <Jucato> KDE starts up, oh around 10 or more seconds
[10:50] <gogeta> and your bitching
[10:50] <Jucato> no I'm not
[10:50] <intelikey> hehhe twm specs     Installed-Size: 276      Depends: libc6
[10:50] <gogeta> thats relly quick for kde
[10:51] <Healot> Jucato, if you need 3D acceleration, you can't drop that one out :0
[10:51] <Jucato> Healot: yeah I need 3D..
[10:51] <gogeta> yea kde relly goes when ituses dri
[10:51] <gogeta> well no wonder why
[10:51] <gogeta> its probly using mesa
[10:51] <gogeta> very slow
[10:52] <gogeta> get that nivida working
[10:52] <Jucato> But MEPIS boots 5-10 seconds faster, KDE loads just a bit (5 seconds?) faster
[10:52] <gogeta> does mepis include the nivida driver lol
[10:52] <Jucato> gogeta: I think I already mentioned that I'm using the NVIDIA driaver, that's why I'm not too keen on recompiling the kernel
[10:52] <gogeta> that is probly it
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dapper or edgy?  although dapper is faster than breezy.
[10:52] <Jucato> gogeta: not out of the box, you still have to install it like in Kubuntu
[10:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: dapper. yeah Dapper is definitely faster than Breezy
[10:53] <gogeta> well if you like mepis by  all means use it
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seems that edgy is slightly faster again
[10:53] <Jucato> *sigh* I knew someone was going to say that
[10:53] <gogeta> well
[10:53] <gogeta> thats the best answer
[10:53] <gogeta> in the end linux is linux
[10:54] <gogeta> lol
[10:54] <intelikey> Jucato boot time has nothing at all to do with the window manager or even X .   it's in the init scripts.   if it's boot time you are wanting to improve, rather than actual performance.   it's sysvinit you need to learn about.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :P
[10:54] <gogeta> the diffrent styles
[10:54] <gogeta> just
[10:54] <Jucato> ...
[10:54] <gogeta> distros use kde couse its pretty and easy to use
[10:55] <gogeta> but using a ultra ligh wm is very fast on any distro
[10:55] <intelikey> and flexable
[10:55] <Jucato> and customizable...
[10:55] <Jucato> oh well...
[10:55] <Jucato> :-(
[10:55] <gogeta> makes windows noobs fell at home etc
[10:56] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:56] <gogeta> you forget the untmit goal is to kill windows
[10:56] <gogeta> and i think vista is gonna relly help us there
[10:57] <intelikey> gogeta kill windows ?       what windows ?
[10:57] <Jucato> bah nevermind... I'll just have to live through Dapper and hope that Edgy brings the speed...
[10:57] <gogeta> apple can always relese osx for pcs and kill us
[10:57] <gogeta> lol
[10:57] <gogeta> osx ownez
[10:58] <gogeta> i have a old g3 imac with osx
[10:58] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: try the OLiveCD it uses enlightenment as a desktop, and for a livecd the speed at which applications loaded impressed me, EliveCD also uses enlightenment but I could never get X to correctly start
[10:58] <gogeta> if linux could run ff11 trust me windows would nopt be on my pc
[10:59] <gogeta> wine can run it barly
[10:59] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: done. thanks for the suggestion
[10:59] <gogeta>  reg errors and crashes
[10:59] <gogeta> and cedega cant even launch it
[10:59] <Jucato> I was able to run E17 on the LiveCD, but it only installs E16
[11:00] <Jucato> intelikey: sysvinit huh? I'll check it out. Although booting is just one of the examples I gave, but not the only one...
[11:00] <gogeta> good old eligmint
[11:00] <gogeta>  that was king befor gnome
[11:00] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: there are howto's I think on ubuntu forums too to do with e17
[11:00] <intelikey> gnome is not king now.
[11:00] <gogeta> kde
[11:01] <gogeta> lol
[11:01] <Jucato> lol
[11:01] <gogeta> i dont knoe
[11:01] <gogeta> xgl gnome rocks
[11:01] <Alatriste> puff hi people
[11:01] <Alatriste> somebody knows why
[11:01] <gogeta> but still ver mutch aplha
[11:01] <gogeta> very
[11:01] <Alatriste> in kbuntu i only heard sound in mono?
[11:01] <Alatriste> only by left speaker, not both
[11:01] <RawSewage> Windows copyrighted stereo sound
[11:01] <gogeta> lol
[11:02] <Alatriste> the cable is stereo, i heard right in windows
[11:02] <Alatriste> RawSewage: ?????????????
[11:02] <gogeta> windows stole your harddrive
[11:02] <intelikey> Alatriste alsamixer    check settings.
[11:02] <gogeta> lol
[11:03] <hkallinikos> hello,i have installed the Kubuntu from the live cd,i now realized there is a dvd also,should i download the dvd for better?if i do can i overinstall whats missing from my current version without downgrading any updates i ahve made?
[11:03] <gogeta> dvd iso
[11:03] <gogeta> i dont think the new ver even has one
[11:03] <Emess> dioes anyone kno a way to get K3b to slightly compress burned media so that it fits on 4.4gb?
[11:03] <intelikey> hkallinikos nothing is missing.
[11:04] <gogeta> ark
[11:04] <gogeta> compress it
[11:04] <hkallinikos> so,why the 3.7 GB in dvd while only 697 MB on cd?
[11:04] <gogeta> burn it
[11:04] <hads|home> Do any devs hang out here?
[11:04] <grothesk_> hkallinikos: Do you have a InternetConnection? Obviously... So you can download what is missing.
[11:04] <gogeta> of course
[11:04] <gogeta> i only saw cd isos
[11:04] <gogeta> what did they throw on the dvd
[11:05] <gogeta> lol
[11:05] <hkallinikos> yes i have, ijust dont know what excactly is missing
[11:05] <gogeta> probly knothing
[11:05] <gogeta> you can download anything you need
[11:05] <Emess> its for a dvd, cant exactly ark it
[11:05] <Alatriste> intelikey:  um, alsamixer and i only see a volumer mixer like win, but i put all to max  and i only conitnue hearing an speaker
[11:05] <intelikey> hkallinikos more 'on disk options'  but you have the full install.  extra packages (gnome for example) are in the repos on the web.
[11:05] <grothesk_> hkallinikos: When you do not miss something, there is nothing missing... :-)
[11:05] <gogeta> try moving the left to right
[11:06] <gogeta> well i dont think windows will even compress a dvd lol
[11:06] <gogeta> they just overburn
[11:07] <intelikey> Alatriste very interesting,  i don't know what to tell you.    crimsun is the audio pro around these parts... if he's around.
[11:07] <gogeta> speakers are hardware it should output to them both no matter what
[11:07] <intelikey> !repos > hkallinikos
[11:08] <gogeta> you shure you got the slider set to center
[11:08] <gogeta> in kmix
[11:08] <intelikey> gogeta that's why i said alsamixer  it has seperate L.R indicators
[11:08] <gogeta> ok
[11:09] <Alatriste> gogeta: , yes in center i only hear right, and if i move the left speaker nothing
[11:09] <gogeta> it a 5.1 card?
[11:09] <gogeta> that would be the only reasion i can think off only output is working
[11:09] <hkallinikos> !repos
[11:09] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:09] <gogeta> try unmuting things lol
[11:10] <Alatriste> intelikey: , um, I don't see L.R separate indicators in alsamixer, also i don't see in kmixer
[11:10] <gogeta> i see mine
[11:10] <gogeta> at the bottom
[11:10] <Alatriste> gogeta: it's a normal 2.1 integrated in a intel motherboard
[11:10] <gogeta> humm
[11:10] <hkallinikos> thnx guys i am new here,allthough i am at work now and i still have the Adept problem here,its passing over my proxy so i will have to try all these at home later
[11:11] <intelikey> Alatriste does it have a seperate gui ???  the cli has seperate.
[11:11] <Alatriste> gogeta: ah, yes, in kmixer yes, i move but does nothing
[11:11] <gogeta> check your connections lol
[11:11] <hkallinikos> *its NOT passing over my proxy
[11:11] <gogeta> get a better proxy
[11:11] <gogeta> lol
[11:12] <Alatriste> alrigth, i say both speakers work fine in windows
[11:12] <hkallinikos> lol its not mine,its the companys
[11:12] <hkallinikos> !easysource
[11:12] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:12] <gogeta> they probly have it blocked or something
[11:12] <hkallinikos> i work at the IT,nothing is blocked for me
[11:13] <gogeta> lol
[11:13] <gogeta> then it should work
[11:13] <hkallinikos> IT manager also tried to bypass it,but its not
[11:13] <hkallinikos> i tried ALL the possible solutions i found on the foroums and they told me here
[11:13] <intelikey> mis-configured == blocked     in some cases...
[11:13] <gogeta> you try apt-get
[11:14] <gogeta> if that passes threw everything else should
[11:14] <hkallinikos> it doesnt accept the username/password authentication
[11:14] <gogeta> defently misconfigured
[11:14] <hkallinikos> browsing,ktorrent,konversation all work
[11:14] <intelikey> hkallinikos only the users in the admin group can sudo    (assumes default)
[11:14] <gogeta> humm
[11:15] <hkallinikos> i did
[11:15] <hkallinikos> only one user here
[11:15] <intelikey> cli type groups
[11:15] <gogeta> broswing ktorrent irc all non sudo
[11:15] <intelikey> see admin ?
[11:15] <hkallinikos> i can sudo
[11:16] <gogeta> its probly refusing the su user
[11:16] <hkallinikos> i sudo and give password
[11:16] <hkallinikos> ohhh
[11:16] <hkallinikos> sorry missaunderstanding for username/password
[11:16] <hkallinikos> username/password on proxy cant pass
[11:16] <intelikey> hmmm
[11:17] <hkallinikos> the problem is with the proxy i assumed
[11:17] <intelikey> proxie block root ?
[11:17] <gogeta> thats what im thinking
[11:17] <hkallinikos> let me write you the messege
[11:17] <gogeta> probly comfigured to allow the user
[11:17] <gogeta> not the root user
[11:17] <gogeta> if its rellt secure
[11:17] <gogeta> relly
[11:18] <intelikey> full circle    i'm back to      mis-configured == block    in some cases.
[11:18] <hkallinikos> ok i typed sudo get-apt update gave my password
[11:18] <hkallinikos> and all the repos replied this
[11:18] <hkallinikos> Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-backports/universe/source/Sources.gz  407 Proxy Authentication Required ( The ISA Server requires authorization to fulfill the request. Access to the Web Proxy service is denied.  )
[11:18] <gogeta> lol
[11:18] <gogeta> couse you didnt give it one
[11:18] <hkallinikos> i have declared it
[11:18] <hkallinikos> on my proxy address
[11:19] <hkallinikos> http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyip:port
[11:19] <intelikey> username==root
[11:19] <hkallinikos> root?
[11:19] <gogeta> yes
[11:19] <gogeta> su is root
[11:20] <hkallinikos> no i give my proxy username and password
[11:20] <gogeta> commmon masake
[11:20] <gogeta> yea but is your proxy configured to allow a login from root
[11:20] <hkallinikos> my account on windows
[11:20] <intelikey> idk.   i'm network illitrate.   i'll leave you to hammer that one out.
[11:20] <gogeta> proxys normaly check who is loggin in
[11:20] <gogeta> from where
[11:21] <hkallinikos> but for browsing
[11:21] <hkallinikos> it lets me go
[11:21] <gogeta> even with the ciorrect name and pass it would refuse you
[11:21] <hkallinikos> i give the same username and password
[11:21] <hkallinikos> when prompt and it opens
[11:21] <intelikey> hkallinikos sumple test.   kdesu konqueror      and see if it lets you through.
[11:22] <hkallinikos> i am in
[11:22] <intelikey> browse with that and see.   ^       but don't stay root for long.
[11:22] <hkallinikos> oh wait
[11:22] <gogeta> there we go
[11:22] <gogeta> sudo -s
[11:22] <hkallinikos> no
[11:22] <hkallinikos> its not leting me browse
[11:23] <gogeta> export http_proxy=http://myuname:mypass@myproxy:myport
[11:23] <intelikey> it's  root.
[11:23] <hkallinikos> name and pass of my win account
[11:23] <gogeta> lol
[11:23] <hkallinikos> ?
[11:23] <gogeta> yep
[11:23] <gogeta> works for that session
[11:23] <gogeta> tells the term to use the proxy
[11:23] <intelikey> your browser was running as  'root'   the super-user of the linux world.
[11:24] <intelikey> that's what kdesu/sudo/su do   they let you run things as  root     or other users, but defalt to root.
[11:24] <intelikey> i left gksudo out of the list...
[11:24] <gogeta> i dont think it was the user name
[11:25] <gogeta> i think linux wasent seeing his proxy
[11:25] <gogeta> from a term
[11:25] <hkallinikos> same messege guys
[11:25] <gogeta> is the proxy ms isa
[11:25] <hkallinikos> yes
[11:26] <gogeta> haha
[11:26] <gogeta> that why
[11:26] <hkallinikos> AHA
[11:26] <intelikey> yeah.   i don't know how to fix that for you.   but i do know your problem.   your proxie is blocking  root   or you are not giving the passwd for the root access to the proxy
[11:26] <hkallinikos> :D
[11:26] <gogeta> add this to your apt.conf
[11:26] <gogeta> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://MYDOMAIN\MYNAME:MYPASS@MY.PROXY.COM:MYPORT"
[11:26] <hkallinikos> have allready tried that
[11:26] <hkallinikos> yesterday
[11:26] <hkallinikos> :(
[11:27] <gogeta> they say ms isa is a bitch
[11:27] <hkallinikos> not not just bitch,more than that
[11:28] <gogeta> herrs a pyton work around
[11:28] <gogeta> ttp://www.geocities.com/rozmanov/ntlm/
[11:28] <gogeta> humm
[11:29] <gogeta> some said add this to the apt.conf as well
[11:29] <gogeta> quit a few
[11:29] <gogeta> ;
[11:29] <gogeta> lol
[11:29] <intelikey> see hkallinikos  when you normally browse   you are hkallinikos@localhost    but when you sudo browse your are  root@localhost     if that makes it anymore clear.        sudo whoami
[11:30] <hkallinikos> yes i understand that :)
[11:31] <intelikey> i knew you did,  i just like to see myself type...
[11:31] <gogeta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=541276&postcount=1006
[11:32] <gogeta> thers a few ways
[11:32] <gogeta> but i dont think its on the linux side
[11:32] <harmental> hi everybody;..
[11:33] <harmental> quick question.....why do i need sudo to reboot from konsole but do not need adm rigths to reboot from the kicker?
[11:34] <gogeta> kicker runs the same comand
[11:34] <intelikey> harmental x is running as root
[11:34] <gogeta> just does it for you
[11:34] <gogeta> lol x isnt running as root
[11:34] <intelikey> it is too
[11:34] <gogeta> you would never need pasrods if it was
[11:34] <gogeta> passwords
[11:35] <intelikey> if you don't believe it  remount nosudi and try to startx as a user
[11:35] <gogeta> everything would be launched under root
[11:35] <harmental> i agree...so?
[11:35] <gogeta> knothingis
[11:35] <intelikey> call me a lier but you need to test it cause you don't know.
[11:35] <gogeta> x root = bad
[11:36] <intelikey> X is always ran as root.   no questions asked.
[11:36] <gogeta> if x was root anything you launched would be root
[11:36] <intelikey> then your DE WM are ran as whom ever.
[11:36] <gogeta> oh
[11:36] <gogeta> thats diffrent
[11:37] <gogeta> its running in a isualted shell
[11:37] <gogeta> i was abought to say
[11:38] <harmental> for instance when i lunch synaptic from x it asks me a passwd......so shouldnt it aske me for a pass to reboot as well?
[11:38] <intelikey> ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
[11:38] <gogeta> couse if i was to sudo starx everything would be root
[11:38] <gogeta> some apps are ran as root
[11:38] <gogeta> others are not
[11:39] <harmental> intelikey: i get -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
[11:39] <gogeta> like reboot it a ato script
[11:39] <gogeta> auto
[11:40] <harmental> it is still unclear from me....(sorry for the newbiness...)
[11:40] <gogeta> some apps are auto launched as root
[11:40] <gogeta> miner things
[11:40] <gogeta> like the reboot
[11:40] <gogeta> stuff that whont hurt the system
[11:41] <gogeta> it would be a bad thing to lauch your package manager auto root
[11:42] <QMario> How do I extract 1 page from a PDF in Linux?
[11:42] <harmental> yes i know.....so if it is safe to reboot the system...why do i need a password to do that in the first case?
[11:46] <gogeta> its safe from x couse tyour using it
[11:47] <gogeta> not so from console
[11:47] <Martijn81> anyone knows a good working wmv to open format converter? (to theora?)
[11:47] <gogeta> thers alot
[11:48] <intelikey> startx         Fatal server error:
[11:48] <intelikey> xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
[11:48] <intelikey> X              Fatal server error:
[11:48] <intelikey> xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
[11:48] <gogeta> if it bothers you so you can make a script like the one x uses to do it from console
[11:48] <gogeta> lol
[11:48] <intelikey> but root starts it just fine...     reason  / mounted nosuid.
[11:50] <tk> ugh, anyone ever installed Open Fingerprinting Architecture?
[11:51] <tk> trying to update musicbrainz update and it requires libtunepimp (horrid name) and it says I dont have it installed but I do
[11:52] <berkout> hi there :)
[11:52] <intelikey> ldconfig        help anything ?
[11:53] <berkout> i'm looking for some help with 3d accel in my kubuntu
[11:53] <intelikey> !ati
[11:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:53] <tk> intelikey: it didnt earlier but let me try again
[11:53] <tk> nope
[11:53] <intelikey> that's all i know about that berkout ^
[11:54] <berkout> yeah, i know this tutorial
[11:54] <berkout> i'm asking because it's not working anymore :(
[11:54] <berkout> those ati drivers really suck
[11:55] <intelikey> tk   building from source i suspose
[11:55] <berkout> fglrx modules are loaded, but dri is not
[11:55] <tk> inte
[11:55] <tk> err
[11:55] <tk> intelikey: yah, only way in this case
[11:55] <berkout> fglrxinfo gives : Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:55] <berkout> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:55] <berkout> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:55] <berkout> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:55] <berkout> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[11:56] <berkout> soulrider, it looks like the problem comes from the dri part
[11:56] <intelikey> tk what E: are you seeing ?
[11:57] <tk> i may have found it, one sec
[12:00] <intelikey> oh krap.  i just did  update and it is installing.     python-minimal python2.4-minimal      oh well i can remove them again.
[12:00] <Jucato> did you just say "Krap"?  :-D
[12:01] <tk> intelikey: i see ths checking for version >= 0.4.0 in -lofa... no
[12:01] <tk> and get the "need version greater than blah" message when I just installed .5 higher than that (the latest download)
[12:01] <intelikey> hehhe   i figured that was the kubuntu KDE way.   konsole kontrol krap
[12:02] <intelikey> what version you have ?
[12:02] <Healot> adept?
[12:02] <intelikey> tk ^
[12:02] <Jucato> don't forget konversation, kool, konfusion, and kustomization :-D
[12:02] <tk> uhm I have libofa 0.9.3
[12:03] <tk> and require 0.4.0
[12:03] <tk> or greater
[12:04] <intelikey> ok that looks like a path error     dpkg -L package-name     and grep the configure to see if the path is bad  tk
[12:04] <tk> would it show up as a package if installed from src?
[12:04] <intelikey> maybe export something.err.other-path=/blah
[12:05] <intelikey> tk  err you installed the lib from source also ?
[12:05] <Kabal> Hello all, I search something like Windows Movie Maker under Kubuntu
[12:05] <Kabal> just a little soft that can record movie from my usb webcam
[12:05] <Kabal> and to save them with xvid/ogg by exemple...
[12:05] <Kabal> Does it exist?
[12:05] <hkallinikos> what he means with that?"
[12:05] <hkallinikos> If you Linux host name differs from Windows host name then it may be that
[12:05] <hkallinikos> #        MS server wont recognize you host at all and wont grant you access
[12:05] <hkallinikos> #        to resources requested.
[12:05] <tk> yes, its not in the.... adept lists
[12:06] <hkallinikos> windows host name on which pc?
[12:06] <intelikey> the client (desktop) hkallinikos
[12:07] <hkallinikos> so,which hostname should i type there?
[12:08] <intelikey> tk then a search with find maybe... or slocate  if you updatedb sense the install of the source
[12:08] <intelikey> hkallinikos i'd have to  /join ##linux     and ask in there...
[12:09] <tk> running updatedb now then ;)
[12:09] <waylandbill> Kabal: linuxquestions.org lists Cinelerra, KDenlive and LiVES as equivs to WMM. Never used them personally tho.
[12:09] <tk> several SO's in usr/local/lib/
[12:10] <Kabal> waylandbill: thank you very much, I'll go and check it out :)
[12:10] <intelikey> hmmm my usr/local/lib is empty
[12:10] <tk> mine has several things
[12:10] <tk> ironically, its mostly stuff I installed by hand, so that could be why
[12:11] <intelikey> usr/lib has much  and /lib   but local/ d'nada
[12:11] <tk> hmm
[12:11] <intelikey> yeah that's why.
[12:11] <tk> oke, so redo that and see if that fixes it, but I did tell the configure to look in usr/local/ and it still didnt find it
[12:11] <intelikey> all i've installed by hand here is a home grown kernel
[12:12] <intelikey> tk and the lib*.so in question is there ?
[12:12] <intelikey> or is it looking for includes
[12:13] <tk> let me double check the configure script, the error doesnt give a specific file
[12:13] <intelikey> that didn't make good sense did it......    /ignore intelikey all
[12:15] <hads|home> Anyone tracking edgy and know what is going on with the fonts at present?
[12:17] <tk> hmmm
[12:17] <tk> intelikey: i cant make heads or tails of what file its looking for, In the configure it does: if test "${AC_cv_lib_ofa_ofa_get_version+set}" = set; then --- and I cant find anything more specific than that
[12:18] <Jucato> does anyone know what app-install-data, a GNOME package, does, and why kubuntu-desktop is dependent on it?
[12:18] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:19] <intelikey> Jucato apt-cache show app-install-data
[12:19] <glen_> hi - has anybody got a solution for the flac playback problem in amarok with the xine engine?
[12:19] <Jucato> !info app-install-data
[12:19] <ubotu> app-install-data: GNOME Application Installer (data files). In repository main, is optional. Version 0.1.33 (dapper), package size 3045 kB, installed size 11072 kB
[12:20] <intelikey> Jucato that's not going to show you the full headder for the package
[12:20] <tk> glen: i had them working a few days ago...
[12:20] <intelikey> just run the command.
[12:20] <glen_> tk, how so?
[12:20] <Jucato> "This package contains the data files for gnome-app-install"...
[12:21] <tk> glen: tryinfg to find it again, one sec ;)
[12:21] <Jucato> er... nevermind
[12:23] <intelikey> Jucato put   rdepends   in place of show
[12:23] <intelikey> that will answer the second part of your question
[12:23] <hkallinikos> nothing,this pythin script you gave me is from 2002 for winnt proxy
[12:24] <Jucato> so app-install-data is needed by Adept...
[12:24] <intelikey> there you go.    you are getting pretty good at fishing Jucato :)
[12:24] <Jucato> I wonder why... anyway intelikey thanks!! I learned a new command :-D
[12:25] <intelikey> Jucato  ever    man man
[12:25] <intelikey> :)
[12:26] <Jucato> :-D
[12:27] <boo> hi
[12:27] <waylandbill> that's a frightening nickname. :-D
[12:27] <Jucato> lol
[12:28] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee!
[12:28] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato
[12:28] <intelikey> wow that was ubly     i just did a  apt-cache unmet     and watched it scroll for days....
[12:29] <tk> glen_: I'm not finding it now... I tihnk it was because I had an older Amaroka nd now I have the new one that I cant play them
[12:29] <glen_> tk, there's patch for xine-lib but i'm not sure how to apply it - could you help?
[12:30] <tk> thats actually one of the problems I been working on, I have the latest Xine lib, but its not installed correctly I guess ;P
[12:31] <intelikey> patch   ?      man patch  ?
[12:31] <intelikey>        patch - apply a diff file to an original
[12:31] <intelikey> SYNOPSIS
[12:31] <intelikey>        patch [options]  [originalfile [patchfile] ]
[12:32] <harmental> hey...i know it is completely out of topic....but...does anybody know a matlab / simulink channel??
[12:34] <hkallinikos> intelikey: remember about kdesu konqueror not running?i just used kdesu systemsettings and declared proxy there too,now my kdesu konqueror is browsing just fine
[12:34] <tk> intelikey: well fixed that one by movign the files to the right dir, now missign other deps... fun stuff, this is the 5th one now *grumble*
[12:34] <hkallinikos> but i still cant update
[12:35] <intelikey> hkallinikos yes and your konq is spoffing the hostmask  now if you set adept to do that you should be ok.
[12:36] <hkallinikos> know how can i set that?
[12:37] <intelikey> hkallinikos no and i can't even run adept to help you look for a way, cause i don't have it.  or kde..
[12:38] <Jucato_> coz intelikey is running intelibuntu or inubuntu... :-D
[12:38] <Jucato_> I wonder...
[12:39] <intelikey> hkallinikos and do remember that it was only for the short test.  you don't want to run a powerful app like konq on the web with root privledges.  someone might exploit it.
[12:40] <Healot> not if you're offline :-
[12:40] <Jucato_> indeed. that's why I set my "root" theme to a different theme than my regular theme, to make me remember that the app is running as root.
[12:40] <hkallinikos> yes i have it shut down now
[12:40] <intelikey> jucato maybe i run   ibunt   i did clip some off both ends.
[12:41] <Jucato_> rofl
[12:41] <Jucato_> that's cool
[12:42] <rudi> hi...how i upgrade to Dapper606-1...with dist-upgrade?
[12:42] <intelikey> yep
[12:43] <intelikey> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:43] <rudi> i am in Dapper606 but 606-1 is released today
[12:43] <Jucato_> or, if you want it GUI style, Adept > Fetch Updates then Full Upgrade
[12:43] <Jucato_> errr...
[12:44] <intelikey> ironically if i run that command all it installs is python*-minamal   which i then remove.
[12:44] <rudi> http://osnews.com
[12:44] <Jucato_> "6.06.1" has been released a few weeks ago?
[12:44] <rudi> read osnews for the news
[12:45] <rudi> about 606-1
[12:45] <Jucato_> rudi, type this in Konsole: lsb_release -a and see what it says
[12:45] <rudi> ok Jucato
[12:45] <intelikey> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
[12:45] <intelikey>  ?]  Yes, do as I say!
[12:45] <intelikey> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
[12:45] <intelikey>  This is an essential package - it should not be removed.
[12:46] <rudi> it says 606
[12:46] <Jucato_> hmm...
[12:46] <intelikey> but it's not essential on   " ibunt "
[12:47] <Jucato_> rudi: where you informed of any upgrades (through the Adept Notifier) since you installed Kubuntu?
[12:47] <rudi> discription 606-1
[12:47] <Healot> 07-Aug-2006 12:08 << US Server i386 ubuntu iso
[12:47] <Jucato_> rudi: then I think you're updated
[12:47] <rudi> ok
[12:48] <Jucato_> I'm not sure though, but it looks like it...
[12:48] <hkallinikos> ok let me ask something else,should i be able to see my Kubuntu pc on my windows domain?
[12:48] <eeos> hi there, anyone has experience of compiling alsa from scratch on ubuntu / kubuntu?
[12:49] <Jucato_> Healot: what was that?
[12:49] <eeos> or of compiling the kernel?
[12:50] <waylandbill> anyone getting X Error: BadDevice errors coming up?
[12:51] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: if you have samba up and running. it should appear in the workgroup.
[12:51] <hkallinikos> its a Domain not workgroup
[12:53] <tk> ok I have to be installing shit wrong to have this much difficulty
[12:53] <tk> ggot it compiled now, but amarok dont recognize/use it
[12:53] <tk> bleh
[12:53] <noaXess_kubuntu> hi all
[12:53] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: good luck then, only used workgroups, sorry.
[12:54] <intelikey> eeos i've rolled a kernel or two
[12:54] <noaXess_kubuntu> i plugin now a external ntfs usb haddisk.. but since a while i can't browse it with normal user... in console mode with sudo ls -l /media/externaldisk it work..??
[12:54] <eeos> intelikey: on dapper?
[12:54] <intelikey> yes what is your question?    so i can tell you  dik
[12:55] <intelikey> err idk
[12:55] <eeos> intelikey: well, I want to recompile alsa, in order to use the last stable 1.0.11 where they have introduced some important bugfixing for my sound card
[12:56] <eeos> intelikey: I have already done it on other distributions, where you recompile also the kernel
[12:56] <Sc[-] tt> gm all
[12:56] <eeos> intelikey: but never on ubuntu, and the wiki is not very useful, because I only found instructions for the edgy kernel
[12:56] <Healot> just compile against the kernel source, package and upgrade
[12:56] <eeos> intelikey: so I wanted some help
[12:57] <intelikey> eeos yeah it might be easier to build the whole kernel here too     you do know that you need 'build-essential' installed first right ?
[12:57] <eeos> Healot: what do you meanagainst the kernel source?
[12:57] <eeos> intelikey: yes I have already installed it
[12:57] <hkallinikos> can someone help to tell me if i have joined the domain correctly?
[12:57] <Sc[-] tt> please, does anyone know if the 5.10 images remain available somewhere?  i can't get 6.06 installed, and need to get something running... looking for 5.10 iso
[12:58] <eeos> intelikey: I was going to follow the recommended build method proposed by the alsa people
[12:58] <Healot> you don't need to recompile the whole kernel, just compile the ALSA module against the current kernel headers
[12:58] <eeos> Healot: can you do that?
[12:58] <Healot> yeah
[12:58] <intelikey> Healot if you have the time walk eeos through it,  i'll stay out of the way.     (i'm not big on compilling anyway)
[12:58] <eeos> Healot: there is not check for version?
[12:59] <Healot> ubuntu has kernel-package package
[12:59] <Paulus> sc{-}tt: the images should be there if you change your sources.list so they all read horay instead of dapper
[12:59] <eeos> Healot: sorry, there is no check for version?
[12:59] <eeos> Healot: I think I have them
[12:59] <Healot> the same way that you do when compiling those binary ati/nv drivers
[12:59] <eeos> Healot: well, I installed precompiled ati drivers
[12:59] <Sc[-] tt> Paulus: thank you, but how do i get to them, i don't have any version installed
[01:00] <Paulus> what your sources.lst?
[01:00] <crazy_penguin> Good day all!
[01:00] <Healot> eeos, if you can compile ati/nv official drivers, I am sure that you can compile that ALSA module
[01:00] <Sc[-] tt> Paulus: I'm on XP, and want to grab the 5.10 iso
[01:00] <Sc[-] tt> so i can install it
[01:00] <eeos> Healot: the kernel package package has not version
[01:01] <eeos> Healot: yes, i have already done it on other distributions, but here I am very confused
[01:01] <Paulus> oh!  your talking about the iso, sorry I thought you meant the kernel images
[01:01] <Healot> eeos, "kernel-package" is the tools to compile kernel module - Ubuntu