[00:15] <jrib> hello shwouchk_
[00:15] <shwouchk_> hello
[00:16] <jrib> what can we help you with?
[00:17] <shwouchk_> I have just seen ikonia first blatantly tell a user to leave and then dimply kickban for raising completely valid criticism over the new spyware features in the last version.
[00:17] <ikonia> for the last time,
[00:17] <ikonia> it's NOT spyware
[00:17] <jrib> shwouchk_: #ubuntu is dedicated to support.  damo22 was not asking nor answering a support question
[00:17] <ikonia> the lense functionality is documented and you are free to use it/not use it
[00:17] <shwouchk_> regardless whether the feature is good or not and regardless of whether it is spyware, you should not have banned the user
[00:17] <ikonia> so spreading nonsense about spyware is unaccceptable
[00:18] <ikonia> shwouchk_: I asked the user to stop referenceing "spyware" he continued, he was removed
[00:18] <ikonia> it's that simple
[00:18] <shwouchk_> ikonia, the same is true about almost all spyware in windows - you can freely uninstall it if you wish
[00:18] <ikonia> I'm not interested in windows
[00:18] <ikonia> or other applications
[00:18] <ikonia> I'm interested in someone posting inaccurate links
[00:19] <ikonia> and stating it as fact because it's written by stallman
[00:19] <shwouchk_> ikonia, so you think it's OK to censor users when they don't share your opinion/
[00:19] <shwouchk_> ?
[00:19] <jrib> honestly it's not even relevant whether one considers it to be spyware or not; #ubuntu is for support and that discussion is not support
[00:19] <jrib> that's my view on it
[00:19] <ikonia> it's reasonable
[00:19] <ikonia> shwouchk_: it's not an opinion
[00:19] <ikonia> shwouchk_: it's miss-information
[00:19] <chu> Could have taken it to #ubuntu-offtopic, or even better #ubuntu-discuss.
[00:19] <shwouchk_> jrib, do you ban anyone who does not ask for or give support in the channel?
[00:20] <ikonia> shwouchk_:  user saying they don't like lense because they don't want to share info, no problem
[00:20] <ikonia> a user spreading nosense about spyware - unacceptable
[00:20] <jrib> shwouchk_: if they continue to do so after I ask them to stop, yes
[00:20] <shwouchk_> jrib, or only people expressing opinions different from yours?
[00:20] <shwouchk_> ikonia, why?
[00:20] <ikonia> shwouchk_: because it miss-leads people
[00:20] <ikonia> with miss-information
[00:20] <shwouchk_> ikonia, and what makes it nonesense? because you said so?
[00:21] <ikonia> no, because it's not
[00:21] <shwouchk_> ikonia, it just so happens that many people agree to this so called misinformation.
[00:21] <jrib> it's an important discussion to have, just not in #ubuntu
[00:21] <shwouchk_> jrib, then where? and what's wrong in having it there?
[00:22] <ikonia> shwouchk_: I don't like lense, I actually agree it should not be logging by default
[00:22] <shwouchk_> s/to/with/
[00:22] <ikonia> but then I'm not sat in a channel spouting wrong info about it
[00:22] <jrib> shwouchk_: #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss are good places.  #ubuntu is dedicate to support, i.e. actually helping resolve technical issues users are having with ubuntu
[00:22] <shwouchk_> ikonia, what did he say that was wrong?
[00:22] <ikonia> shwouchk_: read the link
[00:22] <ikonia> it's some guy ranting
[00:22] <ikonia> and because it's stallman people treat it as fact
[00:23] <shwouchk_> ikonia, a functionality that spies on you without *first* asking you for permission *can* be classified under spyware. More than that is just arguing on the exact definition
[00:23] <ikonia> it doesn't "spy on you"
[00:24] <ikonia> shwouchk_: is IRC spying on you ?
[00:24] <ikonia> is this session a "spy" session
[00:24] <jrib> to have this discussion, you need to start by agreeing on a definition for "spyware", but I think we're getting off track :)
[00:24] <ikonia> as it's logging everything you say to a central server that is spidered by google
[00:26] <shwouchk__> I disconnected for some reason
[00:27] <shwouchk__> I was saying
[00:27] <ikonia> not to worry
[00:27] <shwouchk__> ikonia, a functionality that spies on you without *first* asking you for permission *can* be classified under spyware. More than that is just arguing on the exact definition
[00:27] <shwouchk__> ikonia, I opened the link, did not ever see it before, but I agree with the heading "richard-stallman-calls-ubuntu-spyware-because-it-tracks-searches" but because stallman said it. I thought so from the moment I installed ubuntu, not knowing beforehand that I would have this functionality
[00:27] <shwouchk__> and then it took me half an hour to track down and uninstall all the correct packages
[00:27] <ikonia> shwouchk__: is this channel spyware ?
[00:28] <shwouchk__> ikonia, I expect stuff I do online to be tracked. I do not expect stuff I do on my computer when not interacting explicitely with the internet to be tracked
[00:28] <shwouchk__> that's the difference
[00:28] <ikonia> shwouchk__: surfing the internet...is online
[00:28] <chu> Pull ethernet cable out. Profit.
[00:29] <ikonia> so if you expect what you do online to be tracked, it's no problem then
[00:29] <shwouchk__> ikonia, I repeat, I do not expect stuff I do on my computer when not interacting explicitely with the internet to be tracked
[00:29] <shwouchk__> *THAT* is the problem
[00:29] <ikonia> shwouchk__: you are intereacting the with internet
[00:30] <ikonia> that's what searching the net is
[00:30] <ikonia> that is explictly interacting with the internet
[00:30] <shwouchk__> ikonia, when you search your computer you (I) do not expect to automatically search the net as well
[00:30] <ikonia> it doesn't
[00:30] <shwouchk__> or to be presented with commercials when trying to install software
[00:30] <shwouchk__> ikonia, and yet it does
[00:31] <ikonia> if you do find / -name '*.iso' it doesn't search the net
[00:31] <shwouchk__> at least dash does that is
[00:31] <ikonia> ahhh right
[00:31] <ikonia> here we go
[00:31] <jrib> shwouchk__: so you want dash to more explicitly state that it searches your local files and the internet?  I think that's reasonabl, personally. Though once you do one search that returns internet results it should become obvious that it does that
[00:31] <ikonia> it should be clearer and for me it shouldn't be enabled by default
[00:31] <ikonia> that said, I'm not posting ranting links
[00:31] <jrib> I agree
[00:32] <shwouchk__> jrib, I want the main UI of the system to first ask me whether I want to ever search online with it as well as my own computer
[00:32] <ikonia> shwouchk__: I'm sure the negative feedback is being assesed
[00:32] <ikonia> (I'd hope it is)
[00:33] <jrib> shwouchk__: yeah, I think that's one good solution
[00:33] <shwouchk__> ikonia, and yet for some reason I have a feeling that if he were speaking about something else that is not directly support related, you would not have kicked him out
[00:33] <jrib>  this type of discussion is good to have, just #ubuntu is not the right place to have it
[00:34] <ikonia> shwouchk__: if he'd posted miss-leading information about anything else after I'd asked him not to, I would
[00:34] <chu> This is why #ubuntu-discuss was set up, to promote interaction (and importantly receive feedback) from the community. I can't say whether it works, but there has not been much discussion, so probably too early to tell. The channel #ubuntu is a support channel. It's a rather large channel, and consequently it *has* to be moderated and kept strictly for support.
[00:35] <shwouchk__> jrib, ikonia so something that does exactly the opposite of what you agreed with - namely, search the internet without my consent, without notifying me first, without an easy way to disable it, can easily be classified as spyware
[00:35] <jrib> chu: what's the factoid for -discuss?  Maybe !ot should mention it
[00:35] <ikonia> shwouchk__: where is this agreement
[00:35] <ikonia> shwouchk__: I don't see any agreement saying "we won't search the web"
[00:35] <shwouchk__> "and for me it shouldn't be enabled by default"
[00:35] <ikonia> shwouchk__: it's not tracking "you"
[00:36] <jrib> shwouchk__: like I said, to start the discussion we need to agree on a definition of spyware; then we can see if dash fits that definition
[00:36] <ikonia> shwouchk__: it doesn't track who does what
[00:36] <ikonia> it's not "spying"
[00:36] <ikonia> the aim ws to a.) try to provide better search functionalty b.) (I believe) increase some revenue
[00:36] <shwouchk__> jrib, actually I said that
[00:36] <jrib> shwouchk__: we both said it then :)
[00:36] <chu> jrib: Excellent idea to include a reference to #ubuntu-discuss in the !ot factoid.
[00:37] <ikonia> #ubuntu-discuss
[00:37] <ikonia> oops
[00:37] <shwouchk__> ikonia, search engines track the searches you do. by sending the information about searches for regular files on my pc to a search engine, you are getting paid to help them track my actions. but you already know this
[00:38] <shwouchk__> just intentionally misrepresenting the facts
[00:38] <ikonia> shwouchk__: they track the searches "user A" does, not what shwounchk does
[00:38] <ikonia> I'm trying to put into perspective
[00:38] <shwouchk__> ikonia, oh, really? you think it's hard for them to know exactly who you are?
[00:39] <ikonia> shwouchk__: how do you know ???
[00:39] <ikonia> you don't know what is actually being sent
[00:40] <ikonia> maybe moving this to #ubuntu-discuss now would be a good discussion
[00:40] <ikonia> interested ?
[00:40] <shwouchk__> I hope they don't actually attach a name to "User A", but the mere fact that they could makes it clear I should be asked whether I want them to know something or other
[00:40] <shwouchk__> ikonia, my main point is actually not this. my point is - don't censor people
[00:41] <ikonia> don't post bad links
[00:41] <ikonia> it's support channel
[00:41] <shwouchk__> ikonia, please read "The Castle" by kafka. I hope you change your mind afterwards
[00:41] <ikonia> no thanks
[00:41] <ikonia> I'm not reading a book
[00:42] <ikonia> just because you want to prove a point
[00:42] <shwouchk__> just censoring people, for a better world
[00:42] <ikonia> I'm not censoring people
[00:42] <ikonia> if he had posted a valid question or issue it would be fine
[00:42] <shwouchk__> ikonia, not to make my point, because it's an awesome book
[00:42] <ikonia> but just ranting about it and posting a known problem posters link with miss-leading information is not helpful
[00:42] <shwouchk__> ikonia, "Is dash spyware?" is a compltely legit issue
[00:43] <ikonia> shwouchk__: totally
[00:43] <ikonia> shwouchk__: that would be a valid question
[00:43] <ikonia> not DASH IS SPYWARE READ THIS !!!"
  How do the internet searches work in dash?  I think that's a valid question
[00:44] <jrib> or, how do I disable the internet searches?  Things like this
[00:44] <ikonia> a valid questoin
[00:45] <ikonia> or discussion
[00:46] <shwouchk__> ikonia, you are intentionally pretending ignorance if you claim that a search engine cannot triangulate your queries specifically to you
[00:46] <ikonia> not at all
[00:46] <ikonia> please explain to me how me searching for cake can triangulate where I am
[00:47] <ikonia> or who I am
[00:47] <ikonia> rather than storing a cookie that says "this guy likes cake, offer him cake stuff"
[00:47] <shwouchk__> ikonia, not from the one search but rather from the collective information about all your searches
[00:47] <IdleOne> Spyware: Noun Software that self-installs on a computer, enabling information to be gathered covertly about a person's Internet use, passwords, etc.
[00:48] <ikonia> ok, so from me searching for cake/chocolate/pies/beer/sony/Star Wars
[00:48] <IdleOne> COVERTLY is the important word in that sentence
[00:48] <ikonia> how can they pinpoint that is me and where I am
[00:48] <ikonia> or who I am
[00:48] <IdleOne> the ad-lens does not do anything covertly
[00:48] <IdleOne> hence not spyware
[00:49] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, it does before you know that you have it
[00:49] <shwouchk__> ikonia, there are plenty of scientific articles about the subject
[00:49] <chu> "Send him a chocolate pie and a beer cake designed with a Star Wars theme from Sony"
[00:49] <ikonia> chu: yes, but send it to who ?
[00:49] <IdleOne> it doesn't gather any info before you do a search.
[00:50] <ikonia> apparantly you can work out who I am from that
[00:50] <IdleOne> soon as you do your first search Amazon is clearly pasted all up in your grill
[00:50] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, that first search, you did not know was going to send info online
[00:50] <IdleOne> Stop trying to turn the words around and make them fit your incorrect definition
[00:50] <IdleOne> as far as easily disabling it, that has been addressed.
[00:50] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, *your* definition actuall
[00:50] <IdleOne> !adlens
[00:50] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, not easily at all
[00:51] <ikonia> shwouchk__: many people agree it should not be installed on by default and should be clearer
[00:51] <ikonia> shwouchk__: the bottom line is people ranting and posting inaccurate information about it won't help
[00:51] <IdleOne> +1
[00:52] <ikonia> 2 of us have agreed with most of what you've said alone
[00:52] <ikonia> from this channel alone
[00:52] <ikonia> and I know IdleOne feels almost the same too
[00:52] <IdleOne> I feel that it should be opt in. 100% agree with that.
[00:52] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, you actually did not answer my claim, rather than claiming I am turning words around. by your definition if I did not know or agree to something, then it is covert, right? the first search I did was without knowledge that it will be sent online. Refute or agree to your mistake
[00:53] <shwouchk__> ikonia, again, which information is inaccurate?
[00:53] <ikonia> the whole "spying" thing
[00:53] <IdleOne> I feel that the people who are outspoken about the issue need to be extremely careful with the words they chose to use to incite people.
[00:53] <IdleOne> shwouchk__: the definition I am using is the one given to me by Google.
[00:54] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, which is not the dictionary, but regardless. assuming given def., I am waiting for a refutation to what I said
[00:54] <shwouchk__> ikonia, what in particular?
[00:54] <ikonia> shwouchk__: it's not "spying on you"
[00:54] <ikonia> it's trying to get search results to help shopping
[00:54] <IdleOne> spying implies covert activity, you never find out about it if the spy is really good. There was never any intention by Canonical to hide anything.
[00:54] <ikonia> it's hardly "spying2
[00:55] <ikonia> but put it into context for people.....it's not really psying
[00:55] <ikonia> again I don't disagree it's not good
[00:55] <ikonia> this IRC session is logging and tracking you
[00:55] <ikonia> google stores cookies
[00:55] <ikonia> news sites store cookes
[00:55] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, many things that are classified as spyware show you commercials at random times. Yet they are still called spyware
[00:55] <IdleOne> if anything it should be called adware
[00:56] <shwouchk__> if it only shows ads but does not track you activity
[00:56] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, but it does track your activity
[00:56] <IdleOne> those are called spyware because you never find out about the info that is being sent to a 3rd party without any consent ever asked for or given by you.
[00:56] <ikonia> shwouchk__: this is a bit circular
[00:56] <shwouchk__> ikonia, all of which I am aware of and agree to in advance
[00:57] <ikonia> it's not really going anywhere,
[00:57] <ikonia> we have differnet views
[00:57] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, when was I asked for consent?
[00:57] <ikonia> shwouchk__: I don't see any popups/banners on google agreeing ?
[00:57] <IdleOne> ok, here is the point. RMS is not wrong but he isn't right either in calling it spyware. We can argue the definition all night long, take a nap, and continue arguin and we still won't resolve it.
[00:58] <IdleOne> The point here is that #ubuntu is not the channel to discuss it. We have other channels, mailing lists and forums for that
[00:58] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, assuming I let it rest with that, it is even more important not to censor discussion
[00:58] <ikonia> #ubuntu is not the place for discussion
[00:58] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, and to do it civilly
[00:58] <IdleOne> We are not censoring, we are prioritizing
[00:58] <IdleOne> #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support.
[00:59] <ikonia> join #ubuntu-discuss and it would be a good discussion
[00:59] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, prioritizing what? its not as if there was an overflow of other discussions that his words were interrupting
[00:59] <shwouchk__> if anything, by banning him, you made more people read the article
[00:59] <IdleOne> shwouchk__: if we allow you to have a discussion we have to allow everybody else.
[01:00] <ikonia> shwouchk__: I don't think that
[01:00] <IdleOne> So to be fair to everyone, we stop everyone from doing it.
[01:00] <ikonia> and to be honest I don't care if people have read it or not
[01:00] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, you can tell someone at least once to take it to #discussion. Yet it never happened. he was banned on the spot
[01:00] <IdleOne> I wasn't here when it happened. I don't have all the context, but I know that ikonia does his job well.
[01:01] <ikonia> lets see
[01:01] <ikonia> guy joins #ubuntu asking to trade his iphone for an android phone
[01:01] <ikonia> guy then starts complaining about ubuntu sucking
[01:01] <ikonia> guy then complains about spying
[01:01] <ikonia> I ask him to stop
[01:01] <ikonia> he continues
[01:02] <ikonia> he's also since confirmed he's not using ubuntu but a varient
[01:02] <shwouchk__> so what?
[01:03] <ikonia> so I'm pretty comfortable with the situation
[01:03] <ikonia> we don't support the varients
[01:03] <shwouchk__> do I have to use ubuntuto be on #ubuntu?
[01:03] <ikonia> so he's not using ubuntu, he's joined to swap his iphone and rant about a product he's not using
[01:03] <IdleOne> no
[01:04] <shwouchk__> ikonia, and yet you have not warned him once or asked him (in a constructive, non rude manner) to go to #offtopic or #discussion
[01:04] <IdleOne> you can use any distro you want, but you have to follow the !guidelines, which include no ranting about stuff (#ubuntu is not your blogspot).
[01:04] <ikonia> because what he was saying was not relevant to offtopic or discuss
[01:04] <ikonia> ubuntu is a spying tool for amazon....no, it's not
[01:04] <ikonia> I want to trade my iphone
[01:04] <ikonia> no
[01:04] <shwouchk__> you have just said that the discussion about spyware was relevant to #discuss
[01:04] <IdleOne> the !guidelines are linked in the channel topic. We could argue that is the first and only warning. pleading ignorance of the law is not a defence.
[01:05] <ikonia> they are nothing to do with ubuntu-offtopic or ubuntu-discuss
[01:05] <ikonia> discussion sure
[01:05] <shwouchk__> He stopped talking about his iphone long before you kicked him
[01:05] <ikonia> ranting no
[01:05] <ikonia> yes he did
[01:05] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, in that case, why do you not immediately kick anyone who strays?
[01:05] <IdleOne> because we would have an empty channel, which to be honest would be nice now and then.
[01:05] <shwouchk__> perhaps it is in order to let you arbitrarily decide who annoys you and kick only them out?
[01:06] <ikonia> 00:11 < ikonia> damo22: so please, don't want to hear anything more about this spyware nonsense
[01:06] <ikonia> I'd consider that a warning
[01:06] <shwouchk__> I'd consider this a rude comment
[01:06] <IdleOne> shwouchk__: You got us. We are all power tripping.
[01:06] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, so if you do not follow the guidelines strictly, you cannot refer to them and say you have been warned
[01:07] <ikonia> shwouchk__: I'll try to explain
[01:07] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, it seems like ikonia was
[01:08] <ikonia> a user who is a regular user of #ubuntu and thus knows the rules joins asking to swap his iphone, I ask him to stop, he does, he then starts making wild comments about ubuntu being a spay ware tool for amazon and becoming poor. I ask him to stop - in your view rudely.
[01:08] <ikonia> he does not stop
[01:08] <ikonia> I remove him
[01:08] <IdleOne> ikonia does at times to be very strict, he doesn't coddle people, he isn't a baby sitter. None of us are. But he does his op job very well.
[01:08] <IdleOne> does at times appear*
[01:09] <ikonia> the user a.) knows the rules as he'a regular user in his own words b.) started off by moving offtopic, I warned him to stop and then moved into miss-information I warned him again (rudely) he continued
[01:09] <ikonia> he did get warnings
[01:09] <ikonia> and should know better as a "regular user"
[01:09] <ikonia> I would have removed the ban quicker had he responded better when I discussed it in private with him
[01:09] <shwouchk__> IdleOne, the point is, you can either be strict all the time or never. if you are strict sometimes, it is indistinguishable (to anyone else but you) from plain discrimination or censorship against views different from your own
[01:10] <ikonia> shwouchk__: of course you can be flexible
[01:10] <ikonia> assesing the individua/situation is better than just folling a paper process
[01:13] <IdleOne> it isn't just me, there are 50 other ops, regular (daily) users of #ubuntu, the Ubuntu IRC council. All these people peer review each other. Trust me, more then once ikonia and I have gone at it over how a situation has been handled.
[01:13] <IdleOne> So, what was all this about anyway? hehe
[01:14] <shwouchk__> about exactly that
[01:14] <ikonia> shwouchk__: hopefully a reasonable discussion explained a little more now ?
[01:14] <IdleOne> and regular users do have the option of going directly to the IRC Council if they feel any one of the ops is being abusive of his/her powers
[01:15] <IdleOne> btw regular user applies to ops as well as non ops
[01:15] <shwouchk__> anyway, assuming you don't keep this channel for the benefit of the OPs but rather for the users, please take this constructive criticism in stating that in cases such as this I think the user should have explicitly been pointed to #discussion
[01:16] <ikonia> shwouchk__: I've explained why it's not
[01:16] <ikonia> the user didn't want a discussion
[01:16] <ikonia> he wanted to hilight his view as fact to users
[01:16] <ikonia> and trade his iphone
[01:16] <IdleOne> well #ubuntu-discuss is relatively new and hasn't been added to the muscle memory of many people.
[01:17] <ikonia> if it was a disucssion, I've have pointed it there
[01:17] <IdleOne> right.
[01:17] <ikonia> 00:11 < damo22> what i have to say is relevant to all users of software
[01:17] <ikonia> that is not a discussion
[01:17] <ikonia> that is someone trying to tell people "fact"
[01:17] <ikonia> shwouchk__: a discussoin as you've had in here, would be worth while
[01:19] <ikonia> shwouchk__: any clearer/better ?
[01:21] <shwouchk__> ikonia, I think part of the reason that there was no discussion is that you were very dismissive of him and he was juvenile, where's I was more persistant and could state my opinions more clearly
[01:21] <shwouchk__> that's how it seemed to me
[01:21] <ikonia> shwouchk__: yes, I am dismissive of people who just make stuff up
[01:21] <ikonia> and want to preach to "save others"
[01:21] <ikonia> I have no time for that, neither does #ubuntu
[01:21] <shwouchk__> I need to go
[01:21] <IdleOne> #ubuntu is the wrong place to be juvenile
[01:21] <shwouchk__> and this isn't going anywhere
[01:22] <ikonia> fair enough
[01:22] <shwouchk__> perhaps it is also the wrong place to be dismissive of others
[01:22] <shwouchk__> goodbye
[01:22] <IdleOne> shwouchk__: you are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic anytime :)
[01:22] <ikonia> thanks for your last word before partin
[01:22] <ikonia> parting
[01:22] <ikonia> appreciate that
[01:22] <shwouchk__> :)
[01:26] <Jordan_U> It's funny, I have asked people who simply praise Ubuntu in #ubuntu to stop as its offtopic, but I never have to kick or ban them for them to actually stop.
[01:26] <IdleOne> weird huh
[01:27] <ikonia> Jordan_U: I don't like the woot ubuntu is so cool stuff either
[01:27] <ikonia> most people just stop when asked
[01:27] <IdleOne> those user like ubuntu, it is easier for them to make the link between right place for woot woot and not the right place.
[01:28] <IdleOne> haters need a giant audience
[05:39] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: do you know why Usagiakumu was banned?
[05:39] <IdleOne> looking now
[05:39] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[05:46] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: I'm suspicious of their claim that "someone" else was an issue. I'm going to leave the ban for now.
[05:50] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:50] <bazhang> gnomefreak, you dont have access to the bantracker?
[05:50] <gnomefreak> that is normal excuses
[05:50] <gnomefreak> bazhang: not sure, i forgot how to ring it up to read
[05:51] <bazhang> first @login
[05:51] <gnomefreak> s/ring/bring
[05:51] <bazhang> then @btlogin
[05:51] <bazhang> do it in a private msg with the bot
[05:51] <gnomefreak> k ill try it
[05:52] <bazhang> that'll give you a link, to the db, where you search
[05:52] <bazhang> it's been vastly improved/streamlined/cleaned up
[05:54] <gnomefreak> thats odd. i search for Usagiakumu and got no results
[05:55] <IdleOne> 51884
[05:55] <IdleOne> search that
[05:56] <gnomefreak> ok why did that show the ban and where did you get the #
[05:56] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: do @bansearch Usagiakumu in PM with the bot
[05:57] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[05:58] <IdleOne> sure thing
[05:59] <gnomefreak> @login
[05:59] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[06:01] <gnomefreak> its nice and quiet in the channles for the most part
[06:03] <IdleOne> You did done went and jinxed it :P
[06:19] <gnomefreak> oops
[06:52] <Gentoon> I have been banned for a long time
[06:52] <Gentoon> May I please come back?
[06:52] <Gentoon> I will be good now I promise
[06:52] <bazhang> Gentoon, hi
[06:53] <bazhang> from which channel Gentoon , and under this nick, or another
[06:53] <Gentoon> bazhang: #Ubuntu and yes this Nick
[06:53] <Gentoon> and hi
[06:54] <bazhang> Gentoon, what were you banned for, if you recall
[06:54] <Gentoon> Trolling
[06:55] <Gentoon> Would be my guess, probably just arguing agressively
[06:55] <bazhang> let me check the ban tracker; would you please read the guidelines while I do so
[06:55] <bazhang> !guidelines | Gentoon
[06:56] <Gentoon> I am in the middle of a new install on a seperate TTY, I am suprised it allowed me to install irssi while it was installing
[06:56] <Gentoon> ill see if I can figure a way
[07:04] <Gentoon> k READ
[07:04] <Gentoon> Ooops
[07:04] <Gentoon> Read.
[07:05] <bazhang> Gentoon, try to join now please
[07:06] <bazhang> ok you're set
[14:36] <h00k> so, there's a link I can't open here (web filtering) that tarrabyte posted to 4chan/g but it seems like a legit question
[14:36] <h00k> can anybody verify a 'safe' link?
[14:37] <persia> h00k: What's the link?
[14:38] <ikonia> what's the link ?
[14:38] <ikonia> ot it
[14:38] <ikonia> got
[14:38] <h00k> Oh,
[14:38] <h00k> http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/29984386
[14:38] <h00k> persia, ikonia ^ sorry
[14:39] <ikonia> it's an invalid link
[14:39] <ikonia> just leads to a text form
[14:39] <h00k> ah, could have 404
[14:39] <h00k> 'd
[14:39] <h00k> thanks, anyway.
[14:40] <mrmist> it's a 4chan link.  Automatically seems legit.
[16:19] <ikonia> efi is something different
[19:32] <IdleOne> ubottu: uefi is <reply> UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI


[10:51] <alan_g> greyback: I was wondering about doing another miral release. Do you think we're ready? If so, should it be a pure bugfix cherry-pick (0.2.1) or what we have on trunk (0.3.0 with the new ABIs)?
[10:53] <greyback> alan_g: there are a couple of ABI breaking changes qtmir needs, I think trunk is more suitable
[10:53] <alan_g> greyback: ABI isn't *breaking*!!! Just additions.
[10:54] <greyback> err, yes, ABI changes, sorry bad phrasing
[10:54] <alan_g> ;)
[10:55]  * alan_g is a bit over-sensitive as not breaking ABI was (and is) the original point of miral
[10:56] <alan_g> greyback: any thoughts on the active reviews?
[10:57] <greyback> alan_g: not yet, on my list for after lunch
[10:58] <alan_g> np. will leave them for you
[15:11] <greyback> alan_g: can you do a quick sanity check for me. In the mir client api, is there an api to modify an existing MirSurfaceSpec to adjust the surface position (aka edit rect the surface should attach to)
[15:12] <greyback> instead the only way I see to do that is to create a new spec with mir_connection_create_spec_for_{menu,tip}
[15:12] <alan_g> 0.25
[15:12] <greyback> bah
[15:12] <greyback> release it already! :)
[15:12] <alan_g> But creating a new spec works
[15:13] <alan_g> that's what anpok did in gtk-mir
[15:13] <greyback> it does, it's just a bit more work (have to remember parent & pixelformat)
[15:14] <greyback> I mir_surface_spec_set_placement has appeared
[15:14]  * alan_g doesn't like how long it takes to release mir functionality
[15:42] <alan_g> greyback: would you cast a proofreading eye over this? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/changelog-0.3.0/+merge/308245
[15:42] <greyback> ok
[15:45] <greyback> alan_g: looks fine
[15:45] <alan_g> thanks
[15:50] <greyback> alan_g: quickie I missed: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/miral/fix-miral-qt-ftbfs/+merge/308273
[15:51] <alan_g> greyback: Approved
[15:51] <greyback> thanks


[00:09] <toluxero> Hi guys. I need again of your help... we lost control of #ubuntu-mx channel. Nobody of former members have access to set the channel up to date again. We are doing an effort to make Ubuntu Mexico visible again after a time of inactivity, the question here is, how is the process to gain the ownership of the channel again?
[02:26] <hggdh> staff: can you please add UbuntuIrcCouncil as a founder for #ubuntu-mx
[02:27] <hggdh> toluxero: the IRC Council will take over, and then give ops access as needed
[02:28] <toluxero> Thank you :)
[02:39] <Unit193> hggdh: Set.
[02:48] <hggdh> Unit193: danke
[02:57] <toluxero> thank you again hggdh, Unit193
[02:58] <Unit193> Happy to help.
[02:58] <hggdh> toluxero: our pleasure
[03:20] <Unit193> toluxero: BTW, you may wish to look into SASL.
[03:40] <toluxero> Unit193: how ?
[03:41] <Unit193> toluxero: Depends on what client you're using, but there should be something https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl for your client there.
[03:47] <toluxero> Unit193: I'll check out. Thank you :D
[12:35] <setuid> Having a bear of a time trying to vagrant up some images.. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4456859b/
[12:36] <setuid> The virtualbox-dkms packages and kernel headers _are_ installed; reconfiguring dkms and virtualbox-dkms results in: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f4dd2ad9/
[12:36] <setuid> ack, sorry, wrong channel
[14:14] <wxl> hey folks. what do i need to do to renew my membership in ~irc-lubuntu-offtopic-ops?
[14:15] <hggdh> wxl: just act on the email you should have received
[14:16] <hggdh> but...
[14:16] <hggdh> did you miss the chance? If so, we can act
[14:16] <wxl> hggdh: it said i needed to ask. no option to auto-renew
[14:17] <hggdh> wxl: what is your LP id?
[14:17] <wxl> hggdh: wxl
[14:17] <hggdh> heh. Should have thought of that
[14:17] <hggdh> let me have a look
[14:17] <wxl> yeah i know. made it real difficult
[14:19] <hggdh> wxl: done
[14:20] <wxl> hggdh: thx!
[14:20] <hggdh> yw
[14:20] <hggdh> Unit193: ^^ you may be in the same boat
[21:25] <Unit193> hggdh: That likely was an issue, I didn't get to hit the usual 'renew' button but had to self renew.
[21:27] <hggdh> yeah. Weird, I expected all of the IRC teams to send out emails for renewal
[21:29] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~irc-lubuntu-offtopic-ops/+edit
[21:29] <Unit193> Makes sense.


[04:00] <duflu> RAOF: Your ANR branch is probably the next one that might be landable, but it sounds like it might be broken?..
[04:01] <RAOF> I'll look after lunch. It might be.
[07:38] <duflu> Argh. The diff to qtmir is now so large I have to start again. Thanks dandrader.
[08:38] <duflu> Fark. vivid is ahead of wily? I didn't see that coming
[09:06] <dhbiker> hello.
[09:06] <dhbiker> is Mir independently developed
[09:06] <dhbiker> or some sorts related to Wayland ?
[09:12] <duflu> dhbiker: Completely independent
[09:41] <anpok_> but you could claim that we are about to adopt an orphaned child that grew up in weston
[09:42] <anpok_> hmm not really orphaned..
[09:43] <anpok_> duflu: i believe the ci issues with mir-mediumtests-runner-mako are limited to mako-08
[09:44] <duflu> anpok_: That's fine. I don't care about CI for the rest of today
[09:46] <anpok_> duflu: is #ubuntu-ci-eng / cihelp the right channel to complain about that?
[09:46] <duflu> anpok_: Can't remember
[09:46] <anpok_> k will find out
[09:46] <duflu> Find one with people in it :)
[10:41] <guest42315> uuu mir 0.15.1
[10:44] <guest42315> and black screen in wily :| and no .log files in .cache o_O
[10:44] <guest42315> WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HATE WILY??


[10:16] <rmg51> Morning
[13:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, hamsters and everything else
[13:44] <lazyPower> \o


[05:59] <DanChapman> Good Morning all o/
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <justCarakas> good morning
[08:23] <qtros> Hi guys
[08:24] <qtros> I know that it is wrong channel, but maybe someone know - where I can fill bug against Nautilus?
[08:25] <justCarakas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs
[08:28] <qtros> justCarakas yes, I already saw this page, but what next?)
[08:30] <qtros> justCarakas seems that their bugs are located in gnome.org
[08:31] <justCarakas> indeed
[08:32] <justCarakas> qtros: dholbach do you know it ? since you created the page on launchpad
[08:42] <dholbach> yes, wat qtros said
[08:43] <dholbach> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi
[09:04] <mzanetti> hello!
[10:11] <twstddev> Hello guys. I would like to do some development. I understand that you are getting ready for RTM right now. Is there anything I could slowly start working/helping with?
[10:42] <Mirv> twstddev: it's hard to pinpoint anything, but there's eg. plenty of bugs filed against core apps https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[10:54] <twstddev> Mirv, Ok. Will have a look. Is there a particular reason why most of the apps written used javascript rather than c++?
[10:54] <twstddev> *using
[11:00] <Mirv> twstddev: QML is popular, and it's used at least for the UI layout. some people do only UI in QML and write a lot of backend stuff in C++.
[11:01] <twstddev> Mirv, Oh, so I'm not restricted to javascript only?
[11:05] <Mirv> twstddev: definitely not.
[11:06] <Mirv> only the lightest / simplest apps are QML only usually (althought some like to push the limits)
[11:08] <twstddev> Mirv, Fab. Thanks. Will have a look at the bug list later.
[11:09] <nik90> ahayzen: hey, good morning
[11:10] <ahayzen> nik90, yo .. afternoon
[11:10]  * ahayzen is on his lunch break
[11:10] <ahayzen> nik90, whats up?
[11:10] <nik90> ahayzen: oh yeah afternoon :P..
[11:10] <nik90> ahayzen: hey I am unable to find the delete action button in my autopilot tests
[11:10] <nik90> ahayzen: how did you tag it so that autopilot can find it?
[11:10] <ahayzen> nik90,  i manaually added it.....
[11:11] <ahayzen> nik90, hang on let me find it
[11:11] <nik90> ahayzen: did you add it to the ListItemWithAction.qml file?
[11:11] <ahayzen> yah
[11:11] <ahayzen> nik90, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/listitem-actions-take-2/view/head:/common/ListItemWithActions.qml#L240
[11:11] <ahayzen> nik90, note the 'primed' attribute as well
[11:12] <nik90> ahayzen: what's the primed for?
[11:12] <ahayzen> nik90, so autopilot can get the right one
[11:12] <ahayzen> nik90, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/listitem-actions-take-2/view/head:/tests/autopilot/music_app/emulators.py#L258
[11:13] <ahayzen> nik90, it was more what i had in my custom system...it worked before so i copied it over
[11:13] <nik90> ahayzen: do you change the primed variable anywhere in the UI?
[11:14] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah in ListItemWithAction.qml just search for primed :)
[11:14] <nik90> ahayzen: ah you use it to see which one is enabled
[11:14] <ahayzen> nik90, ...although my ap tests aren't totally passing yet but i think this bit is working...it is more the next bit that fails
[11:14] <ahayzen> nik90, yes enabled / visible on screen
[11:15] <ahayzen> ...it finds the actions and clicks on them so i'm assuming this bit is working :)
[11:15] <nik90> ok
[11:15] <nik90> thnx
[11:16] <ahayzen> nik90, u don't use right actions do u?
[11:16] <nik90> ahayzen: nope
[11:16] <ahayzen> nik90, cool cause i have some more trickery to get that to work hehe ;)
[11:16] <nik90> ahayzen: :P
[11:16] <ahayzen> nik90, as u may seewhen searching for primed
[11:16] <nik90> yup
[11:18] <ahayzen> nik90, let me know if u figure a more elegant way of doing it ;)
[11:18] <nik90> ahayzen: I am thinking
[11:19] <ahayzen> nik90, hah ... i like my solution :)
[11:19] <nik90> ahayzen: I like the get the action icon part. Not so convinced by the prime part. Just wondering if that can be made easier
[11:20] <ahayzen> nik90, maybe u just need some way to ensure u get the one on the correct listitem
[11:21] <nik90> ahayzen: yeah, we used to do that by adding "index" to the objectNames. But this one is in the upstream component itself which makes it harder
[11:21] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah
[11:33] <nik90> ahayzen: Yup found a easier solution :D
[11:33] <ahayzen> nik90, hah :) what u done?
[11:33] <nik90> ahayzen: instead of prime, I did property bool isActivated: swipeState [11:33] <nik90> ahayzen: this automatically gets updated when you swipe to the right
[11:33] <nik90> ahayzen: so it is based on your idea, but I let the component do the hard work of updating it automatically
[11:33] <ahayzen> nik90, ah cool ... but still an extra property :) ... i may make mine do ^^ as well :)
[11:34] <nik90> ahayzen: which is why I said it is based on your idea. But I don't need to update that manually using resetPrimed() and other statements
[11:34] <nik90> ;)
[11:34] <ahayzen> nik90, ah yes
[12:12] <ogra_> DanChapman, where is my dekko setup gone ?
[12:12] <ogra_> (tells me there is no account)
[12:14] <nik90> bzoltan: hey would you be making a new UITK release to phone since the datetime critical bug is a image promotion blocker?
[12:19] <zsombi> nik90: tomorrow, I'm still trying to fix teh date picker issue
[12:20] <nik90> zsombi: ok
[12:20] <nik90> renatu: hey, do you guys have a autopilot test to swipe delete a contact in the address book? On searching I only found deleting contacts in the multiselect mode.
[12:22] <renatu> nik90, I think the messaging app does
[12:23] <nik90> renatu: ok. will look there
[12:27] <ogra_> DanChapman, hmm, and even after creating a new account it is not there on restart of the app
[13:17] <dpm> hi balloons, when you're online, could you perhaps follow up with psivaa and cjohnston on why this branch's autolanding job fails on a bzr error? https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/prevent-incorrect-no-music-screen/+merge/228972
[13:54] <dpm> hi nik90, which features will the next clock app store upload you're planning include?
[14:01] <nik90> dpm: custom swipe delete, fast scroll, some AP tests, vibration support and custom alarm sounds
[14:01] <nik90> dpm: the last 2 are blocked due to TRAINCO since it requires silo to be published to phone
[14:17] <balloons> dpm, I simply superseded the MP and redid it. I'm not sure why bzr threw that error, it's a question for victor if he did anything out of the ordinary. We'll see if bzr does it again. https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/music-app/prevent-incorrect-no-music-screen/+merge/229944
[14:19] <nik90> Need some help with clock app reboot MP reviews  at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/+activereviews
[14:28] <dpm> thanks nik90
[14:28] <dpm> thanks balloons
[14:39] <sil2100> mihir: hi! I heard you're working on the calendar app
[14:39] <sil2100> mihir: we seem to be having some autopilot test issues since some images: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1353921
[14:42] <balloons> sil2100, mihir that's a missing depends issue. brendand pointed out installing address-book-service-dummy fixes the issue
[14:42] <sil2100> Oh, right, now I see the bug description
[14:43] <sil2100> Then I guess we'll have to do it from the infrastructure side
[14:43] <balloons> well, having it run as an autopkgtest should also solve it
[14:43] <balloons> buy yea
[14:51] <mihir_> sil2100: yes
[14:52] <sil2100> mihir_: so, I guess I know what's wrong and am preparing a fix for CI to review :)
[14:52] <sil2100> Anyway, good to know who to ping when issues arise
[14:52] <DanChapman> ogra_, hey that's odd you don't see it after restarting the app. Could you try removing ~/.config/com.ubutu.developer.dpniel.dekko and try again. I wonder if the migration to the new accounts model settings borked it somehow
[14:52] <mihir_> sil2100: yes, same here :)
[14:52] <ogra_> DanChapman, tried already ... didnt work
[14:53] <mihir_> balloons: thansk, balloons are we still struggling for more AP to add in calendar right ?
[14:53] <nik90> bzoltan1, kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1354036
[14:56] <DanChapman> ogra_, :-( right... that's not so good then. Ok first off are your settings actually getting saved to the .conf file and secondly is there an [Accounts] section that contains your email address?
[14:58] <balloons> oO sil2100, the testconfig supports stuff like that? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-test-cases/touch-fix-address-book/+merge/229950
[14:59] <balloons> that's a little scary to see
[15:00] <kalikiana> nik90: I'll track down if there's a color for the dark theme; I didn't get one from design while I was working on it so this is "expected" for now
[15:00] <sil2100> balloons: what do you mean?
[15:00] <nik90> kalikiana: Ack. what about the black rectangle instead of the icon?
[15:00] <nik90> kalikiana: visible in the reminder app (3rd screenshot)
[15:01] <sil2100> balloons: it makes possible to install certain packages for certain test suites, as click package tests as ran in the infra have no means of installing all their dependencies
[15:01] <nik90> kalikiana: sry 2nd screenshot
[15:01] <balloons> sil2100, I mean it's just hidden dependencies. It's a nice fix to the problem, but the package should be self-declaring for test depends
[15:01] <sil2100> balloons: sadly, not much we can do with the current way things are working
[15:01] <balloons> sil2100, yes indeed. Hence the push for autopkgtest. Reminders is coming very soon and it will be the first
[15:02] <balloons> sil2100, but that means I didn't realize we could have landed it by pushing all the depends into the jenkins testconfig, heh
[15:02] <sil2100> balloons: right, I agree, but it's not the time for that, especially when we're struggling to get rid of blockers for promotion
[15:02] <sil2100> hah ;)
[15:02] <balloons> sil2100, certainly.. It was mostly me realizing there was ANOTHER workaround that could be done
[15:03] <balloons> ty
[15:03] <ogra_> DanChapman, sadly in meetings the next 2h ... i'll try to take a look
[15:04] <DanChapman> ogra_, that's cool. Whenever you  have time :-)
[15:10] <kalikiana> nik90: what is that icon? how is it done?
[15:10] <kalikiana> it worked before?
[15:11] <nik90> kalikiana: pretty sure it worked before since I noticed that in my own app Flashback as well
[15:11] <nik90> kalikiana: let me have a look at it
[15:15] <nik90> kalikiana: In my app, I defined the action as https://github.com/krnekhelesh/flashback/blob/master/components/TraktAction.qml and the icon is shown correctly when in the header bar. The black rectangle appears only when it is in the overflow menu due to 3 or more actions
[15:16] <nik90> kalikiana: weird it only happens in certain use cases. Check out the reminders app in the image and you will see what i mean
[15:25] <kalikiana> oh I've got an idea
[15:25] <kalikiana> the buttons are not implemented in the same way inside the overflow so I'm checking the exact differences
[15:49] <kalikiana> nik90: t1mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/sourceOverflow/+merge/229960
[15:56] <nik90> kalikiana: testing
[16:01] <nik90> kalikiana: that works!
[16:02] <kalikiana> awesome
[16:02] <kalikiana> for a change a quick fix :-D
[16:02] <nik90> :D
[16:03] <nik90> kalikiana: the font color is still an issue though. I understand that the font color for dark backgrounds hasn't been provided, but from a user's perspective this is a visual bug which should be fixed before rolling out square visual tabs imho
[16:05] <dpm> thanks balloons for looking at the File Manager tests
[16:06] <kalikiana> nik90: I can't do much here until I get clarfiication from design, I'm not going to pick a random color :-)
[16:06] <nik90> kalikiana: :D
[16:44] <nik90> renatu: hey, I finished the fastscroll and custom swipe delete integration in the clock app. The Mp's are awaiting review and I cannot find any one better to review it. Do you mind reviewing it? You will have to only review the small integration bits since the upstream code that I borrowed were not changed at all
[16:48] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks for doing that extra mp
[16:53] <kenvandine> ahayzen, how's the content-hub support in music-app coming?
[16:53] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i am just writing a status update to https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1347444
[16:53] <ahayzen> kenvandine, we are now waiting for the last stage \o/
[16:54] <ahayzen> kenvandine, we need the ms2 models to auto update... jamesh has just posted this https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/mediascanner2/model-auto-update/+merge/229903 ... so hopefully once this is merged we'll be able to land support :)
[16:54] <ahayzen> kenvandine, and the UDM fix is in a silo ready to land now
[16:54] <kenvandine> ahayzen, cool, thx for the update
[16:55] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i'm just basically writing ^^ into the bug report now so others can see the progress and i'll link the branch
[17:02] <ahayzen> dpm, damn did 558 not 559 get pushed to the store?
[17:02] <elopio> boiko: can we put on the checklist of all the apps to make sure that you are updating the pot files if you change UI labels ?
[17:02] <boiko> elopio: that's a good idea actually
[17:03] <ahayzen> +1
[17:03] <elopio> boiko: I'm glad you like it :) I'll update the wiki page.
[17:03] <boiko> elopio: actually we do have a CMake rule that does update every time you build, but since it also updates the .po files, it causes lots of merge conflicts when we have multiple MRs to land
[17:03] <boiko> elopio: we end up not commiting the po changes
[17:04] <elopio> boiko: is there a way to update only the pot ?
[17:04] <boiko> elopio: I can check it later
[17:05] <elopio> boiko: so, should I proceed or wait for you to review that?
[17:05] <dpm> ahayzen, I don't know, balloons took care of the upload. What's up?
[17:06] <ahayzen> dpm, just 559 would be preferable as otherwise the app flashes up saying there is no music for a short period of time
[17:06] <dpm> aah
[17:06] <ahayzen> dpm, i was just going on what the spreadsheet says...also the spreadsheet says there are invalid urls?
[17:06] <dpm> balloons, would it be much effort to do another music app upload?
[17:06] <balloons> ahayzen, dpm I just asked Daniel to approve it.. I didn't push it actually. But indeed, as all these music MP's land, we could certainly send another upload
[17:07] <dpm> ahayzen, not sure what spreadsheet you mean or which urls
[17:07] <ahayzen> balloons, cool thanks
[17:07] <ahayzen> dpm, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnZdnhOl8MU5dDJseW1vT1N5RkJvLUJHZTdhalRVd1E&usp=sharing#gid=1
[17:07] <ahayzen> dpm, '#VALUE' for music and sudoku
[17:07] <dpm> aha
[17:08] <dpm> balloons is the spreadsheet master - Nick, would you know what's up with those #VALUE cells? ^
[17:09] <balloons> mm.. date import failures, let's see
[17:09] <balloons> must be a connectivity thing.. I'll try and force refresh it
[17:10] <dpm> cool, thanks
[17:10] <balloons> done
[17:11] <dpm> thanks, "the fixer" balloons \o/
[17:11] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks :)
[17:12] <balloons> hah dpm
[17:12] <dpm> :)
[17:14] <ahayzen> dpm, did u see the mail i forwarded to u from james?
[17:14] <dpm> ahayzen, I was just reading it, good news! :)
[17:14] <ahayzen> \o/
[17:15] <ahayzen> content-hub support is getting closer and closer :)
[17:16] <dpm> really looking forward to that
[17:16] <kalikiana> nik90: color fix https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/overflowColor/+merge/229974
[17:17] <nik90> kalikiana: you already got a design resolution for it?
[17:17] <kalikiana> yes
[17:17] <nik90> kalikiana: wow. testing. will report back in a few minutes
[17:17] <kalikiana> lucky everyone seems to be working late tonight :-P
[17:18] <nik90> kalikiana: I tell you trainco sometimes help :P
[17:18] <nik90> j/k
[17:19] <kalikiana> trainco?
[17:19] <nik90> traincon0
[17:20] <kalikiana> ah
[17:22] <nik90> sudo make install
[17:22] <nik90> bah wrong monitorr
[17:22] <kalikiana> make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install'.
[17:23] <nik90> hehe
[17:25] <nik90> kalikiana: it fixes the issue in my flashback app (with black background), but in the clock app the issues persists
[17:26] <kalikiana> hmmmmm
[17:31] <kalikiana> nik90: pushed another change
[17:33] <nik90> testing
[17:34] <nik90> kalikiana: same issue
[17:35] <kalikiana> hrm
[17:43]  * nik90 brb in 15 mins
[17:44] <kalikiana> nik90: should've been obvious… my fix doesn't apply to clock app because it doesn't use the real gradient theme and manually sets the colors
[17:44] <kalikiana> so the color is "correct"
[17:44] <nik90> kalikiana: wat do you mean by manually sets the colors?
[17:45] <kalikiana> header, background, footer
[17:45] <nik90> aren't app supposed to do that manually?
[17:45] <kalikiana> well it means it breaks the theming - as you initially said colors should not be hard-coded
[17:46] <nik90> so core apps shouldn't specify gradient backgrounds any more
[17:47] <kalikiana> I'm not taking a position here I'm only saying that's why unsurprisingly it breaks
[17:48] <kalikiana> not sure how to solve it; I'll probably leave that to t1mp as he worked on this before
[17:48] <nik90> kalikiana: I am just trying to figure out what the correct way of doing things. I remember sometime back it was announced that background gradients are not supported by the SDK. If that is the case then I should report bugs accordingly against the core apps
[17:49] <nik90> kalikiana: ok will discuss with t1mp about this tomorrow and see if we can make a decision about the gradient backgrounds
[17:49]  * nik90 really got to go now. t-10 mins
[17:51] <kalikiana> okay
[18:04] <jgdx> elopio, just a reminder that I've addressed your comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/call-fwd-wait-dual-sim/+merge/229774 – thank you
[18:05] <elopio> jgdx: oh, right, sorry.
[18:05] <jgdx> elopio, err, actually, something has happened.
[18:14] <elopio> jgdx: so, shouldn't I wait to review?
[18:15] <jgdx> elopio, sorry, I've gotten my branches in a twist today. Please ignore me for a while. Sorry!
[18:15] <elopio> don't worry. I'll wait for your ping.
[18:46] <ogra_> DanChapman, ok, i found some time to look at the log ... the app crashes at the end of the user setup (i wiped everything related to dekko and reinstalled the click)
[18:46] <ogra_> DanChapman, this is what i get in the log:
[18:46] <ogra_> Saving settings
[18:46] <ogra_> QDir::exists: Empty or null file name
[19:08] <ahayzen> balloons, ping ... quick question
[19:08] <balloons> ahayzen, yes?
[19:08] <ahayzen> balloons, i'm working on ap tests and saw "After 10.0 seconds test on Player.currentIndex failed: 0 == dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1)" ...
[19:09] <ahayzen> balloons, am i correct to think that this is incorrect "Eventually(NotEquals(endtracksCount))" because it is using the var rather than the method ?
[19:09] <ahayzen> balloons, basically the listitemactions have extra animations which are causing some tests to fail...so having to put wait_for etc in
[19:09] <balloons> ahayzen, in that statement unless endtracksCount is a function, it makes no sense
[19:09] <ahayzen> balloons, but this one looked a bit strange ... yeah that was my thought
[19:09] <balloons> as the value will not change :-)
[19:10] <ahayzen> balloons, these tests badly need rewriting lol
[19:10] <balloons> ahayzen, yes yes they do
[19:10] <ahayzen> balloons, both me and victor are still surprised they don't randomly fail in CI more often lol
[19:10] <ahayzen> balloons, ok cool thanks
[19:14] <ahayzen> balloons, oh god that specific bit of code i sent u is over loads of tests lol
[19:21] <nik90|Dinner> ahayzen: btw I found a way to fix the AP tests without modifying the ListItemWithActions.qml file :D
[19:21] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, hmmm how?
[19:21] <nik90|Dinner> https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/custom-swipe-delete/+merge/229088
[19:22] <nik90|Dinner> ahayzen: essentially that ^^ I created a ListItemwithActions class which exposes the correct icon
[19:22] <balloons> ahayzen, I owe nik90|Dinner several reviews, but after I can dive in with you
[19:23] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, interesting
[19:23] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: sorry to bother you, but who would I talk to about missing touch templates on utopic in the sdk?
[19:23] <nik90|Dinner> ahayzen: Does the music app follow the page model?
[19:23] <ahayzen> balloons, hah call.. it would probably be best to go properly after listitem actions landed
[19:24] <nik90|Dinner> ahayzen: if it is this should be quite easy to use
[19:24] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, define page model...if ur talking ap tests...then it probably doesn't ;)
[19:24] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, our ap tests badly need rewriting
[19:24] <nik90|Dinner> ahayzen: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/acceptance-testing-using-the-page-object-model/
[19:24] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, https://trello.com/c/2p7zUffL/278-music-refactor-ap-tests-to-use-python3-correct-objectname-test-var-names
[19:24] <nik90|Dinner> ahayzen: until then I think it is best to stick with the current method you have
[19:24] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, its on my list
[19:25] <ahayzen> nik90|Dinner, yeah probably
[19:25] <nik90|Dinner> oh btw image 177 is awesome :) some nice unity8 improvemnets
[19:25] <nik90|Dinner> anyways as my nick says,  going for dinner
[19:26] <ahayzen> +1
[19:26] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, whats missing?
[19:26] <pmcgowan> would need bz or zb
[19:27] <jdstrand> istr HTML5, pure QML, an extension alone
[19:27] <jdstrand> I wanted to test the sensors bug and just wanted QML
[19:27] <jdstrand> then noticed it wasn't there
[19:27] <pmcgowan> App with Simple UI?
[19:28] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, I see 7 templates
[19:28] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: you are on utopic?
[19:28] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, trusty
[19:28] <jdstrand> yeah, on utopic there are 3
[19:29] <pmcgowan>   Installed: 3.1.1+14.10.20140805.1-0ubuntu1~0trusty1
[19:29] <pmcgowan> thats the plugin
[19:29] <pmcgowan> got update yesterday
[19:30] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, what version qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[19:31] <jdstrand> 3.1.1+14.10.20140716-0ubuntu1
[19:31] <jdstrand> seems I am out of date
[19:31] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: ok thanks. let me play with it and I'll file a bug. thatnks for pointing me in the right direction
[19:31] <jdstrand> (file a bug if needed)
[19:57] <balloons> nik90|Dinner, all of these merges seem to be unapproved by jenkins
[19:58] <nik90> balloons: that's because we don't have debian packaging ready
[19:58] <nik90> balloons: jenkins doesn't run or merge the clock reboot merges, I do it manually
[19:59] <balloons> nik90, ahh ofc ofc
[20:00] <balloons> wow, dholbach's merge is making more sense
[20:00] <balloons> though I'm confused by how we're doing it.. I digress
[20:00] <balloons> fastscroll is looking good, just investigating a couple things
[20:01] <nik90> yeah that's why I have been pushing to get the infrastructure like dbian packaging, cmake, translation ready parallely as I work on the design spec implementation.
[20:08] <DanChapman> ogra_, sorry had to shoot out. Right ok thanks, that narrow's it down a bit and i'm guessing the conf file never gets created/ is empty if created?
[20:11] <balloons> nik90, I'm missing some depends :-(
[20:11] <nik90> balloons: which MP?
[20:12] <balloons> fastscroll it seems.. I swear I ran this before
[20:12] <nik90> balloons: can you paste the depends errors that you get
[20:12] <balloons> MainClock.qml:20 module "DateTime" is not installed
[20:12] <nik90> balloons: ah that :)
[20:13] <nik90> balloons: I am assuming you are running from the terminal, in the README.developers file, there are instructions on compiling the c++ plugins that we ship with clock reboot
[20:13] <balloons> I did compile.. so it's odd
[20:14] <nik90> hmm that's weird then
[20:14] <balloons> yea, I'll blame me tho
[20:14] <ahayzen> balloons, hmm i need to wait for a page with a listview to appear wht is the best way todo this?
[20:15] <nik90> DateTime is essentially the backend/modeuls/DateTime folder
[20:15] <nik90> s/modeuls/modules
[20:15] <balloons> it's whining about other things now too
[20:15] <balloons> I see it built libdatetime.so
[20:15] <nik90> balloons: may be clean the build files and try fresh?
[20:15]  * balloons didn't pass the import path
[20:16] <nik90> ah
[20:16] <balloons> so pretty
[20:18] <balloons> k, so final question, why did you remove objectName: "location" + index?
[20:18] <balloons> you switched to just location
[20:22] <nik90> ah that's because location isn't inside a listview
[20:22] <balloons> I was just having a look
[20:22] <nik90> we used the location + index to target specific items in a listview
[20:22] <nik90> it was done accidentally by carla and I told here I would fix it in my end
[20:23] <balloons> nik90, nevermind, I got it
[20:23] <balloons> slightly confusing, but literally it's an objectname on the "location" label
[20:23] <balloons> hah
[20:23] <balloons> approved with comment
[20:27] <DanChapman> is it just me or is myapps.developer.ubuntu.com down?
[20:27] <nik90> hehe
[20:27] <DanChapman> scrap that it's back
[20:27] <balloons> just you
[20:28] <balloons> mwahahah
[20:28] <nik90> DanChapman: was just about to say that
[20:28] <balloons> btw, hello DanChapman :-)
[20:28] <DanChapman> :-D hey balloons nik90. How's it going?
[20:28] <nik90> DanChapman: hey man, going great :)
[20:29] <balloons> DanChapman, pretty good. Just trying to get merges, well you know, merged ;-) Which always feels so great and productive
[20:32] <balloons> nik90, I love the snapback on swipe to delete.. fun
[20:33] <nik90> balloons: I know rite :D
[20:33] <nik90> balloons: btw I would suggest reviewing the update-pagewithbottomedge MP before the swipe-delete MP. Atleast that's the order it will go into trunk.
[20:35] <balloons> nik90, interesting interaction with fastscroll, while in search mode
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: what do you mean?
[20:36] <balloons> nik90, well, it doesn't work
[20:36] <balloons> that's interesting right?
[20:37] <nik90> balloons: let me try in my end
[20:38] <nik90> balloons: works for me
[20:38] <nik90> balloons: as in I type a few letters, which reduces the results to few alphabets and the fast scroll appears on the side
[20:41] <balloons> hmm
[20:41] <balloons> works on device
[20:41] <balloons> ok, I'm crazy
[20:42] <nik90> although now that I think about it, the fastscroll shouldn't appear when the results fill less than a page. For instance if I search for "New", then the results will include about 4-5 cities in which case a fast scroll doesnt make sense.
[20:43] <nik90> I will need to scour upstream to see how to do that
[20:44] <balloons> ahh yes, that is a difference
[20:44] <balloons> I think that's what I was seeing at first, just not realizing it was grayed out
[20:44] <nik90> yup
[20:44] <balloons> I can confirm upstream behaves better
[20:44] <nik90> yup
[20:46] <balloons> bah, blasted firefox corrected my spelling to be UK English again :-(
[20:46] <balloons> it's a conspiracy
[20:47] <nik90> lol
[20:49] <nik90> balloons: fixed the fastscroll hide behavior. It now won't be shown when the results is less than 2 pages long
[20:50] <nik90> balloons: copied from upstream
[20:50] <balloons> nice
[20:52] <nik90> hey popey is back
[20:52] <nik90> it helps to say hi :=)
[20:53] <balloons> nik90, so PageWithBottomEdge.qml is upstream? Did you pull the emulator code from there too?
[20:53] <nik90> balloons: yup
[20:54] <balloons> which project?
[20:54] <nik90> balloons: initially carla wrote her own implementation, but after pull in the latest update it broke. So I got it again from upstream.
[20:54] <nik90> balloons: dialer app, address book
[20:54] <nik90> they all use the same implementation
[20:54] <balloons> ohh address book
[20:54] <balloons> this is the work of elopio and indeed it is
[20:54] <nik90> balloons: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~boiko/address-book-app/fix_autopilot/view/head:/tests/autopilot/address_book_app/pages/_common.py
[20:55] <balloons> elopio, I'm considering having a helper for the bottom edge.. crazy or ?
[20:55] <balloons> nik90, so 3 down.. I'm happy with them
[20:55] <balloons> no we have sound and vibration stuff
[20:55] <balloons> *now
[20:56] <nik90> balloons: awesome
[20:56] <nik90> balloons: for those 2 branches, you will to install the respective upstream package
[20:56] <nik90> balloons: in the case of the vibration, there is a deb package
[20:57] <nik90> but for the alarm sound, you will have to compile and install the sdk manually
[20:57] <balloons> which should I start with.. aka, give me an order
[20:57] <nik90> balloons: they are independent. So your choice :)
[20:57] <balloons> vibration is first
[20:58] <nik90> :) it should look like https://imgur.com/f9Wf3ao
[20:58] <balloons> nik90, ohh right, when I push to the phone, it's not clock or ?
[20:58] <elopio> balloons: we need a helper, but it has to be specific to each project.
[20:58] <elopio> the toolkit doesn't provide a bottom edge component.
[20:59] <elopio> on the telephony apps, the qml is duplicated between them I guess, so we would have to duplicate the helper code too.
[20:59] <balloons> elopio, ahh right.. totally independent. yep, thanks
[20:59] <balloons> elopio, yea, that was my concern, but you are correct I guess
[20:59] <nik90> elopio: add clock app to that as well :)
[20:59] <balloons> so we're copying much across to clock
[20:59] <balloons> and I imagine others will implement the edge very similar
[21:00] <balloons> nik90, unity needed a restart to see it ;- clock -reboot
[21:00] <nik90> balloons: after installing the latest indicator-datetime package?
[21:01] <nik90> balloons: hurray -> https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/ubuntu-clock-app/reboot-packaging/+merge/230011
[21:02] <balloons> nik90, no I need to install the packed
[21:03] <nik90> balloons: not sure I follow..so on the phone you will have to install the armhf indicat-datetime package and then restart the datetime service (or reboot phone) after which you can push the clock reboot MP and see if the vibration works or not
[21:05] <balloons> i installed the deb and pushed the click I built
[21:05] <balloons> so just have to check it out
[21:06] <nik90> ok
[21:07] <nik90> balloons: you are missing out on the ease of use of doing this via qtcreator :)
[21:07] <nik90> ease of doing this via*
[21:07] <balloons> hmm, no vibration on flo
[21:07] <nik90> what about mako?
[21:07] <balloons> trying that next
[21:07] <balloons> still updating mako image
[21:07] <nik90> it worked for me during my testing, but I can point that out to charles
[21:08] <balloons> mako that is?
[21:08] <balloons> err flo that is?
[21:08] <charles> haptic hasn't landed yet
[21:08] <charles> it's in silo 6 but there's some weird issue that I need to figure out today
[21:08] <charles> when I test from the PPA... no notification popup
[21:08] <charles> when I build the indicator myself... notifications
[21:09] <charles> anyway, might be something small, I just haven't gotten to it yet today
[21:10] <nik90> charles: hmm I installed the deb from the jenkins comment and it worked nicely for me.
[21:10] <nik90> charles: I didn't try the PPA yet
[21:10] <balloons> I did set the alarm before it was installed
[21:10] <charles> nik90, try the 006 ppa and see what happens
[21:10] <nik90> balloons: that shouldn't matter
[21:10] <nik90> charles: ok
[21:12] <balloons> charles, should it work on flo?
[21:12] <charles> balloons, you mean should vibrate mode work?
[21:12] <balloons> charles, yes
[21:13] <balloons> should it vibrate?
[21:13] <charles> balloons, no not yet, it's still in silo 6, hasn't landed...
[21:13] <balloons> well I mean I pulled the deb and installed it
[21:13] <balloons> nik90, I noticed when I scroll the sound page I lose the header
[21:14] <nik90> balloons: yeah that's by design similar to the web browser
[21:14] <charles> balloons, I don't have a flo device, does it have vibration mode? :)
[21:15] <nik90> balloons: its supposed to do that in other pages but we have some issues with that
[21:15] <balloons> I'm wondering.. I don't know, hence the question..
[21:15] <balloons> ^^ flo vibration that is
[21:15] <nik90> charles: btw zsombor figured out why the alarm sound url was lost :) He has a fix ready
[21:16] <balloons> nik90, so what's the custom sound backend stuff? I guess I'll try that
[21:16] <charles> nik90, url?
[21:16] <nik90> balloons: it adds suport for custom alarm sound per alarm
[21:16] <balloons> ahh so I can actually select a sound
[21:16] <nik90> charles: we had a issue where the SDK used to loose the alarm sound that was chosen by the user
[21:16] <nik90> balloons: yup
[21:17] <nik90> charles: the alarm.sound property used to turn up empty
[21:17] <charles> nik90, what was the cause?
[21:17] <nik90> charles: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/alarm-sound-fix/+merge/229800
[21:18] <nik90> charles: he forgot to initialise in the constructor I think
[21:18] <charles> cool
[21:20] <charles> zsombor's patch looks good
[21:20] <charles> I hope that DatePicker test issue doesn't block this, that looks unrelated IMO
[21:21] <nik90> yeah
[21:21] <balloons> nik90, yea select a city does the same disappearing header thing. So is there a bug for that or /
[21:22] <nik90> balloons: when does the header disappear? When you scroll up?
[21:23] <balloons> scrolling up to move down the list
[21:23] <nik90> balloons: that's the intended behavior. To show the header again you scroll down.
[21:24] <nik90> balloons: that's also what the browser does when you scroll the page up
[21:24] <nik90> charles: I tried the PPA. Works for me.
[21:24] <nik90> charles: I am able to enable/disable the vibrations
[21:24] <nik90> on Mako
[21:24] <balloons> sure, I didn't know if it was intended or not
[21:25] <charles> nik90, so you've installed from silo 6, and when an alarm goes off, you get the vibrations and see the notification?
[21:25] <balloons> nik90, sound selection seems to work
[21:25] <nik90> charles: yup I see the snap notification and feel the vibration.
[21:25] <nik90> charles: disabling the vibration only shows the snap notification
[21:26] <balloons> nik90, I will say the checkbox selection is a bit weird.. I want to select the label, but it doesn't check the box
[21:26] <nik90> balloons: did you hear a different ringtone when the alarm rang?
[21:26] <nik90> balloons: I agree. That's something I can easily fix. Will do so now actually
[21:26] <balloons> nik90, yes I get the ringtone I select. interesting the alarm is still ringin just once
[21:27] <nik90> balloons: what?
[21:27] <nik90> balloons: you mean you hear the alarm ring once and then it is dismissed?
[21:28] <balloons> indeed.. a familar bug
[21:28] <nik90> impossible, that bug was fixed a long time ago. It should ring for a duration of 10 mins minimum without any intervention
[21:28] <nik90> balloons: which image is this?
[21:29] <balloons> this is still flo, image 17
[21:29] <balloons> 177
[21:30] <nik90> I am not sure but that could be due to flo?
[21:30] <nik90> u don't have a mako?
[21:31] <nik90> it was confirmed by QA that the alarm keep ringing now until dismissed or it times out automatically after 10 mins
[21:31] <balloons> mako is flashing
[21:31] <nik90> ah ok
[21:31] <balloons> slow inet, and I wanted it on the latest image
[21:37] <popey> nik90: heya
[21:37] <popey> nik90: hows it going?
[21:38] <nik90> popey: :) hi, going great. busy times
[21:38] <nik90> popey: you missed our meeting, I was waiting for a while :P
[21:40] <ahayzen> nik90, did dpm not do urs?
[21:40] <popey> oh, i asked others to cover it
[21:40] <popey> sorry about that
[21:40] <nik90> popey: j/k balloons held the meeting :P
[21:40] <nik90> ahayzen: ^^
[21:40] <ahayzen> \o/
[21:41] <balloons> lol
[21:41] <popey> haha
[21:41] <popey> you guys
[21:42] <nik90> I got to work on my sarcasm :)
[21:42] <popey> Oh no, your sarcasm is *fine*.
[21:42] <popey> ^ lesson 1.
[21:42] <ahayzen> hah
[21:42] <nik90> lol
[21:44] <balloons> nik90, you know what, I realize the notification also doesn't show on flo for alarms
[21:44] <balloons> you will be happy to note mako is fine
[21:45] <nik90> I am :) .. regarding flo, it could be that alarm hw_backend is not present (wild guess)
[21:47] <balloons> so mako seems fine, just confirming the branches. flo also doesn't let me select different sounds, heh
[21:47] <balloons> well I mean, different sounds didn't play
[21:49] <balloons> nik90, so testing on mako, I'm not getting different sounds playing
[21:50] <nik90> balloons: did you push the SDK branch I linked in the MP?
[21:50] <balloons> nik90, on this? https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-custom-sound-backend/+merge/225812
[21:50] <nik90> balloons: yes
[21:50] <balloons> I don't see anything
[21:51] <nik90> oh the bug report in the MP has a merge proposal .. let me get the link
[21:51] <nik90> https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/alarm-sound-fix/+merge/229800
[21:58] <nik90> balloons: pushed a fix where you can now click on the label to select the alarm sound
[22:01] <nik90> balloons: did the same for the alarm vibration switch as well.
[22:09] <balloons> nik90, k, trying it out
[22:10] <ybon> is tvoss sometimes around here?
[22:12] <nik90> ybon: let me guess issues with Qtlocation on OSMTouch?
[22:12] <nik90> ybon: hi :)
[22:13] <ybon> nik90: hehe, yes :)
[22:13] <nik90> ybon: osmtouch was talked about a lot during the day :P
[22:13] <ybon> oops
[22:13] <ybon> why that?
[22:14] <nik90> ybon: no worries not your fault :)
[22:14] <ybon> ok :)
[22:14] <nik90> just figuring some recent issue with QtLocation stuff
[22:14] <ybon> ok
[22:14] <nik90> the camera-app is having some issue with geo-tagging and so osmtouch came up
[22:14] <ybon> maybe I should highlight on "osmtouch" here
[22:15] <nik90> the discussion was on #ubuntu-ci-eng not this channel
[22:15] <ybon> oh ok
[22:15] <balloons> nik90, hey I get vibrations :-)
[22:15] <nik90> balloons: cool :D
[22:15] <balloons> no notification though, and no sound after 1 play
[22:15] <balloons> and I can't make them stop
[22:15] <balloons> haha
[22:16] <nik90> makko?
[22:16] <balloons> yea
[22:16] <nik90> totally weird
[22:16] <balloons> I was attempting to test the sound mp
[22:17] <nik90> my brain can't think anymore why that might be happening for you
[22:17] <ybon> nik90: is there a final word on the location issue, or is this still under investigation by the Jedis? :)
[22:17] <nik90> ybon: not sure, wasn't paying too much attention to it. But I think it is still undergoing
[22:17] <nik90> ybon: it was on today's landing email
[22:18] <ybon> ah, interesting, let me read it in details, so :)
[22:18] <ybon> I generally just read until I see if there is a promoted image or not :p
[22:19] <nik90> ybon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1352977
[22:19] <balloons> nik90, yea I think the sound and vibration both are a no go for me
[22:20] <balloons> I'm gonna reflash hah
[22:20] <ybon> oh, ok, thanks, I've been notified for this bug btw :)
[22:20] <balloons> phone is not happy
[22:20] <nik90> balloons: I will try it out again tomorrow. Hopefully by then the silo 6 is published to make testing easier
[22:20] <balloons> nik90, yes, I'll review again once things land
[22:20] <balloons> hope that helps a little
[22:20] <balloons> we did iterate a bit on things
[22:21] <nik90> balloons: yup. will let you know when that happens
[22:21] <nik90> yes indeed. the behavior is a bit better now
[22:21] <nik90> hopefully tomorrow dholbach and I will have answer to the debian packaging stuff
[22:21] <nik90> anyways I am eod
[22:21] <nik90> balloons: cu tomorrow :)
[22:22] <nik90> thnx for the reviews
[22:22] <balloons> nik90, indeed.. night!
[23:48] <Boogle> Hello Im am working on qml app but i cannot get the audio to play ifinite i am using the qt multimedia 5.0
[23:50] <Boogle> Im sorry my grammar was not good I typed very fast


[00:02] <PCLine_> Evening everyone.
[00:03] <Unit193> Howdy, PCLine_.
[00:06] <PCLine_> I am trying to figure out what to work on tonight....Excel/VBA or VPN on Ubuntu.
[00:07] <PCLine_> Hey Unit193 - how have you been?
[00:08] <Unit193> Mmmm.  I've been busy playing a waiting game, but that's been going on for a little.  The two sponsors I tend to use for Debian work are quite busy right now, so just have to wait.  :P
[00:13] <PCLine_> There is one cricket 150% louder then everything else around  I would like to shot it with my BB gun.
[00:14] <PCLine_> and GeoIP is about right tonight.
[00:14]  * cyberanger hands PCLine_ a XM500, .50 cal
[00:14] <cyberanger> might as well go for overkill
[00:16] <PCLine_> with my aim I would miss and hit something I didnt wnat to shoot.
[00:18]  * cyberanger takes back his XM500, appluds PCLine_ 's gun safety
[00:20] <PCLine_> Wow.  Nope I dont need a gun like that.  Maybe a 22 or a shotgun.
[00:21] <PCLine_> I think that XM500 could shot farther than I can see!
[00:21] <cyberanger> possible
[00:22] <Unit193> May not actually be nice, but the Yugo M70AB2 is really fun to go targetting with.
[00:24] <cyberanger> for an AK-type, I like it (but not seen that one personally)
[00:24] <Unit193> It's got the gas cutoff, so you can use it as a manual too.
[00:30] <cyberanger> I've seen the Serbian Zastava M91 & Iraqi Tabuk, nice
[00:30] <cyberanger> but that's about as close as I've gotten to an AK
[01:29] <skellat> .wx 44004
[01:29] <jenni> Cover: Cloudy, Temp: 68.0°F (20.0°C), Dew Point: 65.2°F (18.4°C), Humidity: 91%, Apparent Temp: 68.0°F (20.0°C), Pressure: 29.88in (1011.75mb), Condition: Partly Cloudy Night, Wind: Light breeze 5.4mph (8.7kmh) (↙) - Ashtabula, Ohio, United States (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)
[01:49] <skellat> jrgifford__, belkinsa, Unit193: ¡PING!
[01:53] <Unit193> Is there something specific?
[01:55] <cyberanger> skellat: funny, it doesn't seem that low tonight (granted, that might be a difference from Giard, PA)
[01:55] <Unit193> Humidity went up, temp down for me.
[01:55] <Unit193> 67F/93%
[01:56] <skellat> Unit193: Do you have any further input on executing the proposed UGJ idea?
[01:57] <skellat> Do we want to do a north-central or a west/central carve off with you leading a regional event there?
[01:58] <skellat> We'
[01:58] <skellat> s/We'/We've already got two proposed carve-offs so why not a third.../
[01:58] <jenni> skellat meant to say: We've already got two proposed carve-offs so why not a third...
[02:46] <yano> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsSeULiElrc
[02:46] <jenni> [ Drew Carey Theme Song Extended - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/Z6sdce
[02:49] <Unit193> Hah, you watch weird stuff.
[09:50] <belkinsa> Urg, and he leaves.  It's better to not do a naked ping...
[20:27] <skellat> Yep: http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2014/09/53-an-all-call
[20:27] <jenni> [ An ALL-CALL ] - https://j.mp/1lIpkJa
[23:17] <PCLine_> Hello
[23:17] <PCLine_> everyone


[03:56] <Technophil> Can anyone help please....I've run up a new mythbuntu 10.04 on a ssd and got the database restored now and it looks sort of restored, however the upcoming recordings are not connected.
[03:57] <Technophil> Does one have to runup Mythtv Backend Setup also?  I assumed that would come thru
[03:59] <Technophil> I used the new mythconver_restore.pl....
[04:19] <Technophil> Did the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration
[04:19] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Backend migration - MythTV Official Wiki
[04:19] <Technophil> hmmm
[10:50] <AnthonyUK> Hi, I have installed Mythbuntu and have just now pluged in my peak dvb twin tuner 221544AGPK. will unbuntu auto detect it and install the drivers or do I have to manually install them
[10:55] <SteveGoodey> Have you checked for messages in dmesg?
[10:58] <AnthonyUK> Im new to linux how do I do that
[11:01] <SteveGoodey> From a terminal window/console type dmesg.  In that lot there should be messages about the tuner.
[11:02] <AnthonyUK> k I'll check now
[11:05] <AnthonyUK> dvb-usb: found a 'KWorld PlusTV Dual DVB-T PCI (DVB-T PC160-2T)'                      in cold state, will try to load a firmware
[11:05] <AnthonyUK> dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-af9015.fw) Plea                     se see linux/Documentation/dvb/ for more details on firmware-problems.
[11:05] <AnthonyUK> I believe my tuner is also known as KWorld at least it is listed
[11:05] <SteveGoodey> That's good, did it succeed in loading the firmware?
[11:06] <AnthonyUK> nope
[11:06] <AnthonyUK> il reboot the system for a 2nd time and run dmesg again
[11:06] <SteveGoodey> AnthonyUK: http://forum.linhes.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=20278
[11:06] <Zinn> [forum.linhes.org] forum.linhes.org â¢ View topic - Peak 221544AGPK Dual DVB-t Tuner Card
[11:14] <AnthonyUK> just have to check with you guys. I have looked up cold boot and it means you just cut the power, no proper shut down?
[11:15] <AnthonyUK> and also, do I just type the code seen in the code section letter for letter
[11:15] <AnthonyUK> and it works then?
[11:33] <AnthonyUK> ok ive just figured out how to get wget to work, and put it in the right directory and am rebooting now
[11:38] <AnthonyUK> ok i think that has got it working, i have ran dmesg again and a dozen lines have come up regarding the dvb tuner
[12:03] <AnthonyUK> I just ran this command "scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill" and have goten a list of channels that looks just like my freeview box
[12:36] <AnthonyUK> there are a number of guides out there for setting up a vncserver but since mythbuntu uses the Xfce desktop they dont seem to work for me, can anyone help me get vnc server working. I have VNC Viewer on my Win7 PC
[15:20] <ernestocgv> Anyone alive in here?


[05:25] <EhsanSanayei> Hi does anyone know how can I add a keyboard input layout using terminal?Im Using ubuntu 11.04
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:59] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> good morning folks
[08:23] <Kaleo> morning
[09:03] <cdbs> didrocks: ping, looks like bug #788848 has resurfaced again
[09:04] <didrocks> cdbs: you should directly ping the dx team on thoses
[09:04] <cdbs> didrocks: err whoops, its bug #788850
[09:04] <didrocks> cdbs: with what version of unity?
[09:04] <cdbs> didrocks: 3.8.14 (oneiric)
[09:04] <cdbs> it seems the places aren't activated anymore
[09:04] <cdbs> on start
[09:05] <cdbs> you need to open the place (empty), close it, open after 2 seconds and then it comes fine
[09:05] <cdbs> Or is it an issue with the new GNOME3 stack that landed in Oneiric?
[09:07] <didrocks> cdbs: not sure, you are on oneiric or natty? (I'm still on natty and didn't notice any issues)
[09:07] <cdbs> didrocks: I'm on Oneiric
[09:07] <didrocks> cdbs: so, dunno then
[09:07] <didrocks> would be nice to focus on the SRU in natty first maybe
[09:07] <cdbs> okay then
[09:08] <didrocks> cdbs: if you have a natty box around, can you test once unity is built in -proposed?
[09:09] <cdbs> didrocks: Yes I do, its my mom's laptop (yeah :D ) will check that if I get time
[09:09] <didrocks> cdbs: excellent, thanks! :)
[09:10] <andyrock> good morning :)
[11:22] <dart> hello someone commented on a bug in launchpad from my account...I was not logged in...Here --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cardapio/+bug/603795/comments/27
[12:37] <UnitySuggestion> When we browse installed apps, we need on right clik on app, information on the selected apps, possibility to initiate uninstall for the selected apps.
[14:48] <apw> njpatel, you aware of the app-indicators shifting right on external screens when apps like mumble quit ?
[14:50] <njpatel> apw, yep
[14:51] <njpatel> apw, it's on my todo list for SRU
[14:51] <apw> got a bug number i can track
[14:51] <njpatel> erm, give me a sec
[14:51] <apw> had me going for a bit, i couldn't figure out the trigger :)
[14:51] <apw> its only that pulseaudio sucks so bad right now, that mumble had a lot of restarts and i saw it
[14:53] <njpatel> right, I found it because of exactly the same reason :)
[14:53] <njpatel> dammit, I can't find it
[14:54] <njpatel> apw, am just doing some meetings right now, will ping you when I find it
[14:54] <apw> njpatel, np
[14:54] <apw> njpatel, when you find it, just subscribe me
[14:56] <njpatel> will do
[18:49] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/weird-gtk3-resize-corner.ogv
[18:49] <fta> compiz or gtk bug?
[19:12] <coz_> fta,  what should I look for in that video?
[19:13] <coz_> fta,  is it not  resizing along with the movement?
[19:58] <Nafai> if I want to submit a patch to Unity, is lp:unity the right branch to branch from?
[20:13] <andyrock> Nafai, yes
[20:14] <Nafai> k, thanks
[20:14] <andyrock> jcastro, hi jorge :) Just a question: can i mark a bug as a bitesize one?
[20:15] <andyrock> Nafai, yw
[20:15] <andyrock> jcastro, or only unity team members can do stuff like that?
[20:35] <andyrock> jcastro, ping
[22:33] <Nafai> cool, my patch *almost* works
[22:38] <hicham> Nafai: patch for what ?
[22:39] <Nafai> I wanted to add a keyboard shortcut to pop up the quicklist for a specific launcher in Unity
[22:39] <Nafai> Right now I've got it so you can hit Control+Super+Number and it will pop it up, but the keyboard navigation stuff for the menu isn't working right yet
[22:41] <hicham> can you paste into the "Run Command" dialog ?
[22:41] <hicham> I can't seem to, I only get garbage


[23:00] <Eickmeyer> Team: I found a source of our burnout that has occurred in the past: attempting to provide both development/maintenance support and technical support simultaneously. It's my belief that those of us developing items should abstain from technical/user support as much as possible to prevent burnout.
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> I'm putting-out a blog post now explaining that the community needs to step-up.


[00:03] <emgent> kirkland: congrats! :)
[01:29] <PumpkinPie> hello :)
[01:31] <PumpkinPie> whats up bill
[01:32] <Bill_MI> Hi PumpkinPie.  Playing with a new install on an old K6 system.
[01:32] <PumpkinPie> ubuntu server?
[01:32] <Bill_MI> Yeppers
[01:33] <PumpkinPie> why server ?
[01:33] <Bill_MI> I'm fighting a vacuum of knowl;edge.  Everything's a project.
[01:34] <Bill_MI> Just wanted to replace an aging NT5 utility box that does DNS, mail, ftp, web, etc
[01:34] <Bill_MI> Been looking at Webmin but it looks like it conflicts with other setups.
[01:34] <PumpkinPie> the box is at a data center or office?
[01:35] <Bill_MI> Nope, home use only.
[01:36] <Bill_MI> It looked like it would run well... except encryption (SSL, HTTPS) bogs it right down.
[01:36] <Bill_MI> BIND9 with the latest patches runs great!
[01:38] <Bill_MI> Any suggestions on setting up Postfix?
[01:39] <Bill_MI> A good walkthru Howto?
[01:43] <Bill_MI> After being used to Synaptic I'm slowly getting up on Aptitude.
[02:26] <benlake> man, hardy is being a real pain with installation on software raid, I didn't have near this much trouble in 7.10.
[02:30] <benlake> 2 disks, cleared partition tables with livecd/fdisk, zeroed md superblocks, reboot, recreate md raid1 device, attempt to auto partition the md device and it errors out with "too many primary partitions"
[02:30] <benlake> I can't seem to manually create any more than 1 partition either
[02:31] <benlake> bbiab
[03:01] <Drezard> hellol?
[03:02] <Drezard> need some help please ?
[08:47]  * antdedyet performs a little late hour server setup for a client that has enjoyed the switch over to Ubuntu
[09:41] <ghaleb> hello, I made a mess in my ubuntu server making samba to use my ldap, how can I return everything to defaults, I mean configurations and so on
[10:45] <zhaozhou> Anyone running pure-ftpd around here?
[10:49] <Gilnim> hi! Does somebody know how to access the html config file of MediaTomb without a graphical interface?
[10:50] <Gilnim> figured it out. thank you anyway
[10:58] <exalt_> hello, is it necessary to the VPN server to be installed on the gateway ?
[11:01] <ghaleb> exalt_,  I have the same question, my vpn clients suffer from very slow service
[11:02] <exalt_> ghaleb, what vpn server do u use ?
[11:02] <ghaleb> pptp
[11:03] <exalt_> I see
[11:04] <exalt_> I don't know .. what do u see guys ?
[12:52] <KyleNeedsHelp> i know this is maybe not the right channel but noone was able or interested in helping me on the other (k)ubuntu channels
[12:52] <KyleNeedsHelp> is it possible to install ubuntu on faikraid ?
[15:18]  * delcoyote hi
[16:55] <WaFFeN> hi i find a 5.0.4 server edition
[17:09] <Nicke> WaFFeN: Why do you want the 5.04 edition? It's over 3 years old by now.
[17:13] <mok0> What does "All rights reserved" mean? Is it part of the copyright, or of the license?
[17:13] <mok0> Sorry wrong channel, please ignore
[17:44] <Koryo_Sanders> Hiya all, anyone up for saving me? i can't seem to get my interfaces file back :(
[17:44]  * Nafallo doesn't have your interfaces file
[17:47]  * _ruben neither
[17:48] <Koryo> erm.... well i re-wrote it, and in the same directory, but every time i restart /etc/init.d/networking, i get "/etc/network/interfaces:5: duplicate interface" and under that "ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" then another 2 lines exactly the same exept ifdown is iifup.
[17:49] <Koryo> (all done with sudo, after i originally changed the file without sudo, screwing it up...)
[17:50] <_ruben> pastebin the contents of ur interfaces file .. like it says, it most likely contains duplicates
[17:51] <Koryo> _ruben, it really doesn't lol, and i can't pastebin it because its not connected to the net xD
[17:51] <Koryo> line 1) auto lo   line 2) iface lo inet loopback   line 4) auto eth0    line 5) iface lo inet dhcp
[17:52] <_ruben> line 5 is wrong
[17:52] <_ruben> it says
[17:52] <_ruben> it says lo instead of eth0
[17:52] <_ruben> like it said .. duplicate :)
[17:52] <_ruben> duplicate of line 2 that is
[17:52] <Koryo> 0_0 blimey.... xD Thank you ^_^
[17:53] <Koryo> YAY! it works! thank you very much _ruben!
[17:54] <_ruben> nice :)
[17:54] <Koryo> btw - do i have to put my wireless card in the interfaces file as well?
[17:56] <_ruben> never worked with wireless on ubuntu (server, nor desktop), wouldnt know
[17:57] <Koryo> k cheers for the help with the file tho ^^ took ages lol
[18:05] <foolano> ping nxvl
[18:05] <nxvl> pong
[18:05] <sysadmin> hello
[18:06] <sysadmin> has anyone here setup n-way ldap replication?
[18:06] <foolano> nxvl: hey i was testing the latest courier package in intrepid and i think i'm having problems with it
[18:06] <foolano> nxvl: related to the removal of the rpath info
[18:07] <nxvl> how is that?
[18:07] <foolano> i was about to open a bug, but i wanted to ask you first
[18:07] <nxvl> just open it, so we can discuss it there and keep track of it
[18:07] <nxvl> :D
[18:07] <nxvl> foolano: once you open it please send me the bug number
[18:07] <foolano> nxvl: cool :)
[18:08] <foolano> nxvl: maybe it's just my installation, i'm gonna open it anyway :).
[18:09] <nxvl> yep
[18:09] <nxvl> :
[18:09] <nxvl> better to open it
[18:15] <sysadmin> does anyone know of a packaged fedora directory server?
[18:17] <zul> there isnt one
[18:18] <sysadmin> don't supposed anyone has the n-way replication working?
[18:19] <foolano> nxvl: can you please take a look at #260899 ?
[18:19] <sysadmin> in openldap
[18:19] <sommer> sysadmin: yep, I've set one up
[18:19] <sysadmin> sommer: what version did you use ?
[18:20] <sommer> sysadmin: the version in intrepid... 2.4.11
[18:20] <sysadmin> did you do that recently?  i tried with a backport i made, but it was .10 then
[18:20] <sysadmin> ok time for me to go backport .11
[18:21] <sommer> sysadmin: yep, last week
[18:21] <sysadmin> sommer: cool i tried a month ago
[18:21] <sysadmin> time for me to get going then :)
[18:21] <sommer> sysadmin: the steps I used are documented in the development version of the ubuntu server guide
[18:21] <sysadmin> thanks for your help!
[18:21] <sommer> np
[18:21] <sysadmin> sommer: awesome
[18:22] <sysadmin> back in a sec, i just repaired my laptop
[18:26] <foolano> nxvl: i gotta go now. talk to you later :)
[18:31] <Koryo> hey _ruben. got it to work as well ^^
[18:36] <frith> i was debating about setting up a repo of standard version of apps for all supported versions,  for example ldap and bacula
[18:40] <Koryo> Just curious - Whats a resume image? i keep seeing it at  boot...
[18:48] <guntbert> imho its for 'suspend to disk'
[18:54] <frith> Koryo, well my laptop just suspended, however i had an encrypted partition and things went a little wrong,
[18:56] <Koryo> er.... sounds tricky :s
[18:56] <frith> well solution was to format the swap
[18:56] <frith> however i think i will just keep it unecrypted
[18:57] <Koryo> how does an encrypted swap benafit you?
[19:00] <frith> Koryo, well if private data gets swaped to disk, any security i once had from the encrypted data partition has gone
[19:00] <Koryo> doesn't swap get erased on reboot? i thought swap was used like RAM?
[19:01] <frith> nope
[19:02] <frith> you would have to wipe everything which would slow your boot time to ...
[19:03] <Koryo> hmm... *googles swap partition*
[19:11] <frith> if i hack to debian/control i can change the depends?
[19:12] <frith> ah and the .dsc file
[19:28] <Koryo_Sanders> can anyone tell me what SIOCADDRT means please?
[19:34] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: In what context?
[19:42] <Koryo_Sanders> mok0, in that every time i try "ifup eht0" i get that and "no such process", then the "failed to bring up eht0." message.
[19:43] <Nafallo> Koryo_Sanders: try eth0? :-)
[19:43] <Koryo_Sanders> lol misstyped on here, it is eth0 xD
[19:44] <mok0> hehe
[19:44] <Koryo_Sanders> this time i have an internet connection on my desktop. i have attempted to modify my interfaces file in /etc/network again. would anyone mind taking a look for me?
[19:45] <mok0> pastebin it
[19:49] <Koryo_Sanders> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/40228/
[19:50] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: the gateway needs to be on the same network
[19:50] <Koryo_Sanders> as?
[19:51] <Koryo_Sanders> because im trying to route information from that ethernet card, throught the wireless card to my router
[19:51] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: eth0
[19:51] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:51] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: normally, that would be the gateway
[19:51] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: but that depends on how your network is set up
[19:52] <Koryo_Sanders> basically - router <IP_ADDRESS>, this desktop on DHCP (the pastebin file is on this desktop), and another desktop connected to the eth0 port.
[19:53] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: so you want desktop#1 to function as a router?
[19:54] <Koryo_Sanders> preferably yep
[19:54] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: you should look up the linux router howto
[19:55] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: you need 2 cards
[19:55] <Koryo_Sanders> i have 3
[19:55] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: network cards
[19:55] <mok0> :-)
[19:55] <Koryo_Sanders> 2 eth (once the others installed) and 1 wireless
[19:56] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: then you need to set your desktop up so it will route traffic from one card to the other
[19:56] <Koryo_Sanders> routing tables?
[19:57] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: to tell you the truth, I've never done it. I think there are a couple of different ways to do it. One way is to use iptables
[19:57] <Koryo_Sanders> would you know of any limitations to that?
[19:57] <mok0> But you also need to configure the cards
[19:57] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: iptables, you mean?
[19:57] <Koryo_Sanders> configure the cards? how so? im using crossover cables. yep thats what i mean
[19:58] <mok0> configure the cards with IP numbers, etc
[19:59] <mok0> iptables is very efficient. It works on kernel level
[19:59] <Koryo_Sanders> wouldn't MAC address be better?
[19:59] <Koryo_Sanders> as some of my IP's are DHCP driven
[20:01] <mok0> You need to configure the router so it routes one network to the other. DHCP will always give you the same network and use the same gateway
[20:02] <mok0> Koryo_Sanders: there is some nice gentoo docs here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml
[20:05] <Koryo_Sanders> thanks ^^
[20:40] <ScottK> mok0: Is this something we want sommer to add to the Ubuntu Server guide do you think?
[20:50] <mok0> ScottK: you mean the router docs?
[20:51] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:51] <ScottK> Anytime I see someone here pointing at Gentoo docs, I'm wondering if we need to add to ours.
[20:52] <mok0> ScottK: well, it would be useful, but I think it needs a good rework
[20:52] <ScottK> mok0: Any chance you'd be willing to help sommer out with that?
[20:53] <mok0> ScottK: sure... but I don't that much about routing
[20:53] <ScottK> OK.  Well hopefully sommer reads the scrollback and takes it up.
[22:27] <Koryo_Sanders> !whereis apples
[22:30] <SjG_TedsHouse__> question about setting up a virtual appliance using JeOS: do I want to set up the VM as NAT or Bridged networking?
[22:31] <SjG_TedsHouse__> o, going with Bridged so outsiders can connect... hope they have DHCP available :)


[07:55] <AskUbuntu> is there any way to run the application on internet? | http://askubuntu.com/q/305939
[08:47] <AskUbuntu> Fade effects in Ubuntu | http://askubuntu.com/q/305953
[10:49] <AskUbuntu> How to create a dialog and set title and text dynamically | http://askubuntu.com/q/306007
[12:51] <AskUbuntu> How to detect whether an app is running on a mobile device or on the desktop | http://askubuntu.com/q/306056
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[00:13] <ChinnoDog> hiya
[00:45] <freelancer317> How's ChinnoDog doing?
[00:52] <ChinnoDog> ChinnoDog is doing fine
[00:52] <ChinnoDog> Eating leftover spagetti pizza
[00:52] <ChinnoDog> And watching cats in the bedroom act like cats
[00:56]  * teddy-dbear is watching teddy bears be teddy bears :-D
[00:58] <andrew> spagetti pizza?
[00:59] <ChinnoDog> Yes. Stuffed spagetti pizza. With meatballs. Its good stuff.
[02:31] <InHisName> No one is messing around with ubuntu tonight ?
[10:19] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:28] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:29] <teddy-dbear> morning JonathanD
[11:22] <JonathanD> hi rmg51 and teddy-dbear
[11:23] <teddy-dbear> were you out running in the rain?
[11:23] <JonathanD> teddy-dbear: got to the end of the block, was soaked, came back and did situps instead.
[11:24] <teddy-dbear> I don't like to get wet
[11:24] <JonathanD> it's very rainy.
[11:24] <teddy-dbear> if I get wet I can't hug anyone
[11:24] <JonathanD> it was only drizzling when I went out.
[11:25] <teddy-dbear> I would be like a sponge :-(
[11:25] <JonathanD> heh :)
[11:25] <JonathanD> we'll still give you hugs. in a raincoat.
[11:27] <teddy-dbear> I'm the one that needs the rain coat
[14:48] <erstazi> What do yinz think about Unity?
[14:50] <andrew> I had to adjust a few things (see most recent post on http://ahotw.com/), but otherwise I'm getting used to it
[14:50] <PennBot> Title: Andrews Home On The Web (at ahotw.com)
[14:50] <erstazi> andrew: thanks (:
[14:51] <erstazi> andrew: I use synergy as well
[14:55] <ssweeny> it's growing on me
[14:55] <ssweeny> my work computer uses unity but my home one uses gnome 3 from the ppa
[14:56] <ssweeny> both have really good points about them and things that could be improved
[14:56] <erstazi> ssweeny: what do you think of GNOME3?
[15:02] <ssweeny> erstazi, it's pretty sweet, but i don't really care for the default gtk theme
[15:02] <ssweeny> i LOVE the dynamic workspaces
[15:31] <rhpot1991> I've been getting used to unity, after some tweaking
[15:32] <rhpot1991> pretty much the same issues and same tweaks as andrew for me
[15:35] <erstazi> yeah, I don't mind it. Just I kept hearing about Synergy being an issue and I use super a lot. I figured they were fixable but I probably won't upgrade my laptop for a month or so.
[16:17] <rhpot1991> "fixable"
[16:17] <rhpot1991> really we are working around it, would be much better if you could adjust unity
[16:17] <rhpot1991> move the bar to a different part of the screen, etc
[16:40] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: jslinux has a bogomips of 20.21 in my browser, ~= 486DX/40. Is this an emulation of an x86 CPU or is it emulated at a higher level?
[16:41] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, as far as i can tell it's an x86 CPU emulator
[16:42] <ssweeny> yeah if you check the tech notes link it says what exactly is being emulated
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> That is pretty neat
[16:46] <ssweeny> yeah
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> I bet it would be faster if the GNU components were rewritten in javascript but that could take forever
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> Because then you would need a C to Javascript compiler