[19:26] <Guest1926> when i enter su in terminal it wants me password what should i enter?
[19:26] <nacc> gdery: `apt-get purge pkgname`
[19:26] <TweedleDum> sudo apt-get purge <whateverprogram>
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> jeeves_moss  here's what you do: tail -n 2 [your file] > output_file; a2x -f chunked output_file
[19:26] <daftykins> alkisg: well that's strange, because root doesn't have a password as default on ubuntu... so that'd have to be naive users making foolish changes.
[19:26] <alkisg> TweedleDum: if you set a root password, it (used to be) valid for any type of login, even ssh... I think they've changed that recently though
[19:27] <TweedleDum> There is no password by default at all?
[19:27] <TweedleDum> Wonder how they did that
[19:27] <alkisg> daftykins: it was a 70-year old debian sysadmin, installing ubuntu in schools the way he was used to from debian
[19:27] <Guest1926> when i enter su in terminal it wants me password what should i enter?
[19:27] <TweedleDum> Oh I see alkisg I was curious about that. I guess a good iptables setup along with something like pgl (peerguardian) would make that safer.
[19:27] <daftykins> TweedleDum: because you sudo to root, so it either has a super long auto generated one that's not shared - or none in essence
[19:28] <TweedleDum> Oh right, i was thinking maybe a very long autogen pass yea
[19:28] <Guest1926> daftykins, why it wants a password?
[19:28] <daftykins> Guest1926: you don't use 'su' on Ubuntu.
[19:28] <gdery> what's that shorter command to remove program beginning with ~
[19:28] <TweedleDum> So by default in Ubuntu your sudo password is the one for your user account right?
[19:28] <alkisg> Guest1926: sudo `sudo -i` isntead
[19:28] <gdery> erase?
[19:28] <jeeves_moss> MonkeyDust: will that work in a headless system?  How would I set that up to it runs at boot?
[19:28] <alkisg> *use
[19:28] <TweedleDum> I use the stupidest root password... toor
[19:28] <daftykins> TweedleDum: if that user is an admin yes
[19:28] <TweedleDum> (yes, i know)
[19:28] <jeeves_moss> MonkeyDust: this is what I'm fighting with right now.  http://www.circlemud.org/jelson/software/emlog/
[19:29] <TweedleDum> Oh ok dafty. Ty
[19:29] <Bingo> Hello.  I understand to select "Install from the liveCD, not TRY Ubuntu, to put the Ubuntu onto a partition of it's own ?
[19:29] <TweedleDum> Here's a question I have actually: Is there actually anything that Kali *does* which U/K/Xbuntu can't do?
[19:30] <Guest1926> alkisg, sudo `sudo -i`
[19:30] <Guest1926> [sudo] password for mohammad:
[19:30] <Guest1926> root@mohammad-LIFEBOOK-AH532-G21:~#
[19:30] <TweedleDum> Like people seem to think for pentesting wifi you need Kali. Yet, Ubuntu runs mk3, aircrack-ng suite, kismet... all perfectly
[19:30] <genii> Hm, root
[19:30] <TweedleDum> That shows you've logged in as root.
[19:30] <alkisg> Guest1926: the first "sudo" there was supposed to be "use", I typed wrong. So, to gain root, use: sudo -i
[19:31] <alkisg> Guest1926: now you are root, you can do what you would do with "su -"
[19:31] <TweedleDum> By the way type <exit> to get out of the root session in the terminal without closing the terminal window.
[19:31] <Bingo> bcbc around any ?
[19:31] <TweedleDum> Haven't seen them
[19:32] <Guest1926> alkisg,  su -
[19:32] <Guest1926> Password:
[19:32] <Guest1926> su: Authentication failure
[19:32] <daftykins> i said don't use su.
[19:32] <alkisg> Guest1926: right, don't use su
[19:32] <TweedleDum> Is it stupi to tell Xubuntu to load both Gnome and KDE things on startup?
[19:32] <TweedleDum> Also, what's the difference between an XFCE session and Xubuntu Session
[19:32] <TweedleDum> Can't figure that one out.
[19:33] <daftykins> kind of odd to run xubuntu and have anything gnome or KDE even installed.
[19:33] <TweedleDum> Why?
[19:33] <alkisg> Bingo: install from live cd means to only show the installer, not the unity menus etc.
[19:33] <Guest1926> sudo -i
[19:33] <daftykins> extra cruft.
[19:33] <Guest1926> root@mohammad-LIFEBOOK-AH532-G21:~#
[19:33] <TweedleDum> gnome and KDE software both work with XFCE
[19:33] <TweedleDum> for the most part.
[19:33] <daftykins> Guest1926: yep. please don't paste so much though, we didn't need to know that
[19:33] <Bingo> alkisg - I am trying to avoid wubi
[19:33] <Guest1926> daftykins, okay excuse me
[19:33] <TweedleDum> maybe i'm wrong but it seems to me XFCE lacks its own specific software, but perhaps the stuff i use that's native to gnome like gparted is modified for xfce
[19:33] <alkisg> Bingo: either create a partition for ubuntu, or use virtualbox
[19:33] <jonascj> Do the current live images include a text installer you could start by changing TTY on install (away from ctrl+alt+f7 or ctrl+alt+f1 to e.g. ctrl+alt+f3) and run "./tui-install" or similar?
[19:34] <TweedleDum> Yes
[19:34] <TweedleDum> Or VMWare Workstation 12
[19:34] <TweedleDum> If you install virtualbox don't forget to install the kernel headers
[19:34] <alkisg> jonascj: I don't think ubiquity has a text version, no. So I don't think the live images have what you say
[19:35] <Bingo> alkisg - a partition, and where does Ubuntu come from?
[19:35] <TweedleDum> Well, nevermind, the software center will take care of it.
[19:35] <daftykins> jonascj: you tend to get different media if you want text install
[19:35] <jonascj> there is this "ubuntu d-i" which is the "debian installer". But I can't figure out how to get hold of it
[19:35] <alkisg> Bingo: I don't understand your question, maybe you need to reask it with more context
[19:35] <daftykins> jonascj: why do you want text install?
[19:35] <TweedleDum> You're trying to change package managers?
[19:35] <TweedleDum> oh.
[19:36] <Bingo> alkisg - If I do not install from liveCD "Try" then what do I do?
[19:36] <linuxlove> Gallomimia,
[19:37] <TweedleDum> Does anyone know a good easy to use (GUI) alt to the Windows data loss prevention program called
[19:37] <TweedleDum> Uh, ok.. schizophrenia is making me blank
[19:37] <alkisg> Bingo: there are two options there, "try it" or "install it". In "try it" you get a live session where you can try ubuntu or even install it. With "install it" you only get the installer. In both cases the installation is the same.
[19:37] <TweedleDum> Devicelock
[19:37] <daftykins> "data loss prevention" - what do you mean by this? i admin windows and have no idea what you're saying
[19:38] <Bingo> alkisg - I used liveCD, and it installed putting wubi on, and I cannot use it.
[19:38] <OddDuck> Is there a place I can look at and tweak the settings of a connection defined with nm-openvpn (network-manager-openvpn)
[19:38] <TweedleDum> Well daftykins DLP is a bit complicated to understand
[19:38] <TweedleDum> or explain but
[19:38] <Bingo> I mean, the install worked, but the dual-boot is messed up
[19:38] <alkisg> Bingo: wubi only appeared in previous versions and only if you ran it inside windows. So, boot from the live cd without running it from inside windows.
[19:38] <TweedleDum> What that software does is lock down things like physical ports and also various protocols
[19:38] <daftykins> TweedleDum: ah yes, how will i with my feeble working in IT for 20 years mind possibly understand...
[19:38] <daftykins> ;)
[19:39] <daftykins> !wubi
[19:39] <jonascj> daftykins: I've read that the ubuntu text based install should be similar (if not the same) as the debian text installer, and it might have more partitioning options than the current gui installer. Specifically I am choosing btrfs subvolume ids during partitioning / mount-pointi-ing. So I wanted to check out this "text installer" or "debian-install
[19:39] <jonascj> er"
[19:39] <TweedleDum> The way it does it is by controlling that stuff via basially a different admin account from what I an tell
[19:39] <TweedleDum> Well I don't know daftykins if you are an IT pro and haven't heard of DLP I'm surprised, not to be rude
[19:39] <TweedleDum> But it's on the A+
[19:39] <Bingo> OIC.. alkisg - I boot the livecd from power-on, then?
[19:39] <daftykins> TweedleDum: that course is a joke.
[19:39] <alkisg> Bingo: bingo!
[19:39] <TweedleDum> Not really, no
[19:39] <Bingo> it wont use wubi ?
[19:39] <alkisg> No, it won't
[19:39] <TweedleDum> http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/data-loss-prevention-DLP
[19:39] <daftykins> NOBODY should use WUBI.
[19:40] <Bingo> Kool beanies !!!!
[19:40] <TweedleDum> lol
[19:40] <daftykins> jonascj: server media or mini.iso can do this, but you should be able to use any and all tools within desktop to get btrfs stuff going, then just pick the mount points to install to
[19:40] <TweedleDum> Well some of it's kind of tedious I guess but I went over the professor messer youtube vids for it daf... and do you IT pros actually memorize like every standard type of motherboard?
[19:40] <daftykins> TweedleDum: i mean i know of Microsoft's Data Protection Manager... but...
[19:41] <Bingo> daftykins - um, yeah. if wubi gots update, or if g4dos would work.. then gpt/uefi systems would be ok
[19:41] <daftykins> Bingo: it's abandoned, if you try and use WUBI you will get no support here
[19:41] <daftykins> it's an abomination :)
[19:41] <TweedleDum> Well there's DLP which is in some professional IT equipment, like standalone DLP machines
[19:41] <Bingo> technical. it is there
[19:42] <daftykins> TweedleDum: nope not the same thing - this is quite off topic now as well, so lets steer it back to ubuntu support only.
[19:42] <Bingo> it (wubi) put ubuntu on my windows
[19:42] <TweedleDum> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_loss_prevention_software there that's a lot better if you're actually curious still
[19:42] <daftykins> Bingo: ok well you're here now and it's unsupported, so you'll need to reinstall properly to get some help
[19:42] <alkisg> Bingo: btw, which ubuntu version did you install? I thought it wasn't there at all in recent versinos...
[19:43] <Bingo> eh.. well, I am about to rip out wubi, and install.. so wish me luck !
[19:43] <daftykins> TweedleDum: right so it's a term and not actually a specific feature name - fair enough
[19:43] <Bingo> which means.. loosing all i got here so far.
[19:43] <jonascj> daftykins: Sure I can move things around after installation (rename subvols, create new, copy files, modify fstab etc.), but it just feels like you should be able to do it during install - maybe with this text installer
[19:44] <TweedleDum> Yeah daftykins like I said I'm schizophrenic so a program like Devicelock Pro at least makes me not stay up all night packet sniffing in wireshark...and then wondering if I need to buy an osciloscope and undertand binary to be sure the CIA isnt spying on me....
[19:44] <TweedleDum> but yes off topic.. unless anyone knows of a linux alt :) im gonna ask around online now.
[19:44] <daftykins> TweedleDum: i take it you're in your teens from that utterly ridiculous spiel
[19:45] <Bingo> tweedle a bit paranoid?
[19:45] <TweedleDum> I wish..  Oh I don't are, there are plenty of judgemental women on irc.
[19:46] <Bingo> i'm scared to do this. gulp
[19:47] <TweedleDum> heh... I was actually being serious but just making light of what actually happens.
[19:47]  * TweedleDum observes the crickets
[19:47] <Bingo> thanks alkisg
[19:51]  * TweedleDum chuckles
[19:51] <TweedleDum> Well, now I know where this train's emergency brake is
[19:52] <MonkeyDust> TweedleDum  drop the random remarks
[19:52] <TweedleDum> Ok I will.
[19:53] <dax> For the avoidance of doubt: 1) This is an Ubuntu support channel, and only Ubuntu support is allowed here. 2) We have #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat, 3) Schizophrenia is not a "get out of channel guidelines" card, and if your mental state makes you unable to correctly use the channel, please do not use the channel.
[19:54] <DrManslave[MD]> I don't want to get out of the guidelines. I just like to explain to people why I'm a little "off" sometimes. I'm happy to follow your rules and will join the other channel too.
[19:54] <markwillis> When reading about upstart I also come across the phrase that "events are generated by the kernel". Wouldn't be it more appropriate to say that events are generated by the kernel in response to some real events?
[19:54] <linuxlove> hello
[19:55] <linuxlove> how can i open port 22 for just one user in ubuntu 14.04?
[19:55] <DrManslave[MD]> " Some confusion seems to arise since the messages Upstart uses to start and stop services are called "events", and udev receives a different type of "events" from the kernel. "
[19:56] <DrManslave[MD]> linuxlove: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/145929/how-to-ensure-ssh-port-is-only-open-to-a-specific-ip-address
[19:56] <dax> linuxlove: see the "AllowUsers section in man sshd_config
[19:57] <DrManslave[MD]> sshd_config add AllowUsers root@[Your_Home_IP]
[19:58] <DrManslave[MD]> then the second line: PermitRootLogin without-password
[19:59] <linuxlove> i cant see /etc/sysconfig/iptables
[19:59] <daftykins> DrManslave[MD]: no, we do not tell people to permit root login in here.. that's idiotic
[19:59] <markwillis> <DrManslave[MD]: yes, it's what I meant, I think
[20:00] <markwillis> daftykins: it depends on him, I think
[20:00] <drkjstr> Another option is to disallow password authentication in sshd_config, and have the user use an RSA Key.
[20:01] <daftykins> i don't think you should permit any level of remote root login - it's trivial to connect in via a standard user then sudo up if you need to
[20:01] <linuxlove> i cant see /etc/sysconfig/iptables
[20:01] <daftykins> that's a statement, not a support question
[20:02] <linuxlove> daftykins, i am not here to learn grammer
[20:02] <cryptomonk> How can you have Ubuntu 14.04 reconfigure and get X to work again as it did on initial install?
[20:03] <cryptomonk> I fucked up by trying to install CUDA and nvidia drivers which apparently my card doesnt support too old.
[20:03] <cryptomonk> now X is borked
[20:03] <daftykins> linuxlove: that's not my point, we don't know what you're after - we can ASSUME - but it's better that you just ask properly the first time.
[20:03] <Delvien> cryptomonk: have you tried using additional drivers app to install the ones that ubuntu auto-detected for you?
[20:03] <alkisg> cryptomonk: remove all nvidia packages and rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf...
[20:03] <daftykins> !language | cryptomonk
[20:03] <cryptomonk> I dont know how to get ubuntu to detect drivers
[20:04] <cryptomonk> sorry
[20:04] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[20:04] <cryptomonk> ok all nvidia stuff has been purged
[20:04] <cryptomonk> I even tried installing the nouveu firmware and nouveau xorg -trusty
[20:05] <Delvien> cryptomonk: run "software-properties-gtk" via alt-f2, or in a term however you normally run commands
[20:05] <cryptomonk> I dont have X so doing his from cli
[20:05] <cryptomonk> Im comfortable w/ the commandline
[20:05] <Delvien> I see.
[20:05] <daftykins> just reboot.
[20:05] <cryptomonk> k
[20:06] <daftykins> the nouveau stuff sounds like you find a funky guide online? :)
[20:06] <cryptomonk> lightdm comes up but as soon as I login (at 640x480) it instantly crashes and goes back to login
[20:06] <daftykins> that's now, or before?
[20:06] <cryptomonk> no I just remember when I first went down this venture the CUDA installer said it was removing nouveau
[20:06] <alkisg> Did you remove xorg.conf?
[20:06] <cryptomonk> yes... rebooting
[20:07] <cryptomonk> ok same thing
[20:07] <cryptomonk> loging crash
[20:07] <cryptomonk> er login
[20:08] <markwillis> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/upstart_cookbook.pdf "For example, if the job is currently in state starting, and its goal is start, it will then move to the pre-start state" - how does the table which is shown above implies it, would you explain?
[20:09] <Delvien> cryptomonk: did you make a backup of xorg.conf before you messed around?
[20:09] <cryptomonk> no
[20:09] <Delvien> if not the tool might of
[20:09] <alkisg> cryptomonk: and what does /var/log/Xorg*.log.old say about the crash?
[20:09] <daftykins> markwillis: are you sure it's worth studying the old system?
[20:09] <cryptomonk> but whatever xorg I had originally was autogenerated by Ubuntu on  install
[20:09] <markwillis> daftykins: is upstart no longer used?
[20:09] <alkisg> There's no xorg.conf by default
[20:09] <daftykins> markwillis: nope, systemd now
[20:10] <cryptomonk> says something about nvidia card supports use 304 something,  then falling back to FBDEV
[20:10] <markwillis> daftykins: oh, another novelty...
[20:10] <daftykins> (in 15.04, 15.10 and 16.04)
[20:10] <markwillis> daftykins: but these are not LTS
[20:10] <Delvien> cryptomonk:  "locate xorg.conf" and see if there is a "backup" somewhere
[20:10] <alkisg> cryptomonk: what's the output of: dpkg -l '*nvidia*' | grep ^ii
[20:10] <cryptomonk> final error is "(EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument"
[20:10] <Delvien> cryptomonk: anyway, good luck, gotta get back to work :)_
[20:10] <daftykins> markwillis: then you're either EOL or looking at the wrong tech still
[20:11] <markwillis> daftykins: why "at the wrong tech" ?
[20:11] <cryptomonk> nothing
[20:11] <daftykins> markwillis: what version systems are you dealing with?
[20:11] <markwillis> daftykins: 14.04
[20:12] <cryptomonk> 14.04 is EOL?
[20:12] <alkisg> cryptomonk: did you also install nvidia without using a package manager? e.g. by some-installer.bin?
[20:12] <daftykins> that *is* LTS and is the last release still on upstart
[20:12] <cryptomonk> alkisg yes tried using the .deb from the nvidia site
[20:12] <cryptomonk> then apt-get install cuda
[20:12] <daftykins> never download from nvidia.
[20:12] <cryptomonk> then that went south so I removed that, then downloaded the NVIDIA-352.bin and used that
[20:13] <daftykins> also a mistake
[20:13] <daftykins> deal with packages only :) from ubuntu's own repos
[20:13] <cryptomonk> how I finally found out my version wasn't supported and had to use the 304 package, then that complained about having another system installed
[20:13] <markwillis> daftykins: so upstart still lives
[20:13] <alkisg> cryptomonk: find uninstall instructions for that NVIDIA-352.bin
[20:13] <cryptomonk> daftykins: but it doesnt support CUDA
[20:13] <cryptomonk> at this point dont care about cuda just want my system to work
[20:13] <markwillis> is there an error in the table or in the text or it is that I just don't understand something?
[20:13] <daftykins> markwillis: yep but if you're taking the time to learn, just bear in mind it'll not be of any use once 14.04 is gone
[20:14] <cryptomonk> What is the LTS version now? thought it was 14.04 I might just wipe this machine
[20:14] <markwillis> daftykins: OK, but it is of use right now
[20:14] <compdoc> 14.04, yes. soon to be 16.04
[20:14] <daftykins> 12.04 and 14.04 are LTS... 16.04 is out next month
[20:15] <alkisg> daftykins: doesn't 16.04 also use upstart inside the user sessions?
[20:15] <daftykins> pass.
[20:15]  * alkisg would love it if it didnt... :-/
[20:16] <markwillis> OK, could someone tell me if I don't understand that table correctly or if there is just a mistake?
[20:21] <kki> Hi,
[20:23] <reisio> hi
[20:23] <Seveas> daftykins: it does :(
[20:24] <skypce> hello all
[20:24] <skypce> http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/how-to-save-and-restore-unity-session.html
[20:25] <reisio> hi
[20:25] <skypce> i want add the "session save" command before close all applications
[20:25] <skypce> how can i do it please?
[20:26] <daftykins> Seveas: was that in response to the question i said 'pass' to? if so, perhaps the person asking it is the better recipient :)
[20:26] <Seveas> yes. And that person left :)
[20:27] <skypce> i am talking about keep all windows opened when you reboot or logout the machine
[20:28] <skypce> any idea is welcome
[20:28] <skypce> :)
[20:28] <kki> Can anyone help me to find out why the network-manager not use the eth0? I used wifi before and it works well, but tomorrow my isp going to connect my home to the optical network, so i need to use my lan card. Now I connect the lan cable, and nothing happen, if i set interfaces to eth0 auto dhcp manualy netowk-manager says it not managed, but still no connection. So please...
[20:29] <DrManslave[MD]> check ifconfig?
[20:29] <bekks> kki: does you modem/route provide dhcp addresses to clients?
[20:29] <DrManslave[MD]> see if its listed there
[20:29] <DrManslave[MD]> if its not type iwconfig and see the interface name then iwconfig <interface> up
[20:29] <BluesKaj> kki, blame systemd , run ip addr to see your ethernet name
[20:29] <Seveas> kki: remove it completely from /etc/network/interfaces
[20:29] <NoCode> Hi, where is apt.conf located?

[20:30] <NoCode> I used locate, but it doesn't show.
[20:30] <Seveas> kki: and then follow the usual troubleshooting processes (do you ahve link, does dhcp work, can you ping your gateway, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>, does DNS work...)
[20:30] <DrManslave[MD]> try whereis?
[20:30] <skypce> NoCode,
[20:30] <Seveas> NoCode: it's in /etc/apt
[20:30] <DrManslave[MD]> :)
[20:31] <NoCode> Okay thanks sir.
[20:31] <NoCode> Cheers.
[20:31] <Seveas> NoCode: and if it isn't you don't have it :)
[20:31] <skypce> try to do a sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager;sudo apt-get install network-manager
[20:31] <DrManslave[MD]> yeah
[20:31] <bekks> skypce: This isnt windows. It will not help.
[20:31] <DrManslave[MD]> it actually can.
[20:31] <Seveas> bekks++
[20:31] <bekks> DrManslave[MD]: On Windows.
[20:31] <DrManslave[MD]> Only on windows does reinstalling something after completely removing all traces of it help?
[20:31] <DrManslave[MD]> No
[20:32] <skypce> time ago i fix the network manager of this way
[20:32] <skypce> i was delete the package by error
[20:32] <xangua> Not a good idea to remove network manager either... skypce
[20:32] <NoCode> Yeah. It's not there.
[20:32] <kki> I'll be back :)
[20:32] <skypce> hey
[20:32] <NoCode> Is there something I should install to get the apt.conf to show up?
[20:33] <Seveas> NoCode: then you don't have it :) You can create it if you want to add some manual configuration, or look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ for config snippets added by Ubuntu
[20:33] <skypce> the package is this
[20:33] <skypce> network-manager-gnome
[20:33] <NoCode> Seveas: I'm just trying to set recommends and suggests to 0
[20:33] <Seveas> NoCode: but don't edit things in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/, if you want to add your own config, just create /etc/apt/apt.conf
[20:34] <skypce> i remember that time ago i was made .conf modifications, but with network-manager-gnome configure all that you need
[20:34] <skypce> sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager-gnome
[20:35] <skypce> it manage by default via dhcp
[20:35] <NoCode> How would the syntax be for the file?  I usually use ~. to exit ssh sessions. Would that cause the zombies? if not what would? network connection loss? is there a way to prevent the zombie build up?
[20:36] <Seveas> shlant: yes, that would cause the zombies. Just log out.
[20:36] <Seveas> type exit, or hit <ctrl>d
[20:37] <NoCode> Seveas: "APT::Install-Recommends "false";" with or without the semi-colon?
[20:38] <skypce> NoCode, did you try with aptitude?
[20:38] <skypce> aptitude works in console
[20:38] <Seveas> NoCode: with.
[20:38] <NoCode> Okay, thanks sir.
[20:38] <bekks> skypce: As does apt-get, apt, and dpkg.
[20:39] <shlant> Seveas: dang! alright, good to know, thanks!
[20:41] <anonymous> hii
[20:41] <anonymous> xd
[20:41] <Guest22331> holaa
[20:43] <HanKtheRobot4> Where is the Ubuntu Borg today?
[20:43] <Seveas> HanKtheRobot4: delta quadrant
[20:43] <HanKtheRobot4> 3
[20:43] <MonkeyDust> you will be assimilated
[20:44] <HanKtheRobot4> 3 is the first prime number
[20:44] <HanKtheRobot4> and it also happens to singularity too.
[20:44] <HanKtheRobot4> Ai
[20:44] <HanKtheRobot4> ubuntubot:
[20:45] <HanKtheRobot4> ubuntudroid:
[20:45] <HanKtheRobot4> ubuntuandroid:
[20:45] <Ben64> HanKtheRobot4: stop.
[20:45] <HanKtheRobot4> ubuntuai:
[20:45] <Seveas> HanKtheRobot4: cut it out.
[20:45] <HanKtheRobot4> one of your devs has been harrassing people and sending PM's saying he is the Ubuntu Droid.
[20:45] <HanKtheRobot4> he works at IBM
[20:46] <HanKtheRobot4> and he is also an Ubuntu dev
[20:46] <HanKtheRobot4> I think Canonical should look into this.
[20:46] <bekks> HanKtheRobot4: So contact Canonical then.
[20:46] <bekks> HanKtheRobot4: This is the volunteer support community, not the Canonical support.
[20:47] <Seveas> bekks: they still don't pay you? :)
[20:47] <bekks> Seveas: Nah :)
[20:48] <HanKtheRobot4> bekks: I already contacted Canonical but he not part of Canonical.
[20:48] <HanKtheRobot4> he is part of your volunteer team.
[20:48] <Seveas> neither me. Though I did get invited to some ubuntu conferences a decade ago :)
[20:48] <HanKtheRobot4> oh well, I guess he was just having fun and watching too much Star Trek this past weekend.
[20:48] <HanKtheRobot4> no harm done, I love Ubuntu!
[20:49] <HanKtheRobot4> thanks for your efforts ;-)
[20:49] <richieacc> Greetings. I have just installed Ubuntu Mate on my new RaspberryPi 3. It's amazing. I'm loving this combo. I'm trying to program my Arduino from it. In Arduino IDE I'm getting the error, "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified." I've figured that I need to add something to the sudoers config file. But I'm not sure what command needs to be added. I've put a tail on /var/log/auth.log, and that shows the authentication attempt
[20:49] <HanKtheRobot4> have a good day.
[20:50] <Seveas> richieacc: how are you executing sudo?
[20:50] <daftykins> #ubuntu-arm might be of use since that's a Pi.
[20:50] <Seveas> richieacc: it wants your password but has no way to ask you for one.
[20:50] <richieacc> Seveas: it is run internally by the Arduino IDE.
[20:50] <genii> !info ssh-askpass:arm
[20:51] <richieacc> If I run the IDE from the console, then the console asks me for a password at that point, then it works, so I am certain that adding the correct command to sudoers will do the trick.
[20:51] <Seveas> richieacc: Add this near the top of sudoers: Path askpass /usr/bin/ssh-askpass
[20:52] <Seveas> richieacc: or change your authorization line in sudoers not to require a password (not recommended)
[20:52] <richieacc> daftykins, that is usefull, though this is not a pi specific question. Thanks.
[20:52] <richieacc> Nooo, not recommended at all.
[20:52] <richieacc> Path with uppercase P?
[20:52] <Seveas> according to the mancage yes
[20:52] <imrekt> pastebinit isn't working on Ubuntu Server 14.04?
[20:52] <Seveas> hmm, mancage. Horrible typo :D
[20:52] <richieacc> ok... lemme try that...
[20:53] <bekks> imrekt: Works fine for me.
[20:53] <daftykins> richieacc: it actually is based on package availability
[20:53] <imrekt> I just installed it and tried it out it does nothing
[20:53] <bekks> imrekt: How did you try it?
[20:54] <imrekt> I was trying to pastebin a problem first
[20:54] <Seveas> koekblik:~$ echo 'Hi imrekt!' | pastebinit
[20:54] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323429/
[20:54] <MonkeyDust> imrekt  http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323433/
[20:54] <imrekt> I use && :P
[20:54] <richieacc> Seveas: it is not liking that line
[20:54] <salamanderrake> how do I find out why packages are being held back during and upgrade?
[20:54] <Seveas> imrekt: that doesn't work of course...
[20:55] <bekks> imrekt: that will not work.
[20:55] <imrekt> | worked but it's saying I'm trying to send a empty document
[20:55] <richieacc> Ah, package not installed...
[20:55] <richieacc> Fixing...
[20:55] <daftykins> your command is bad, then
[20:56] <imrekt> It was python __main__.py | pastebinit
[20:56] <imrekt> was trying to pastebin a error
[20:56] <Seveas> richieacc: the line actually goes into sudo.conf (which I've never used!)
[20:56] <bekks> imrekt: you need to redirect stderr to stdout first
[20:56] <\9> imrekt: use python __main__.py 2&>1 |pastebinit
[20:56] <Seveas> imrekt: then your __main__.py doesn't output anything.
[20:56] <\9> imrekt: so as to redirect stderr to stdout so that it can be pasted
[20:56] <bekks> Seveas: It does, but to stderr, not stdout.
[20:56] <imrekt> Seveas: it does
[20:57] <Seveas> \9: &| is short for 2>&1 |
[20:57] <imrekt> bekks: how would I do this
[20:57] <\9> Seveas: oh? cool
[20:57] <\9> imrekt: I just told you how
[20:57] <imrekt> k
[20:57] <imrekt> -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
[20:58] <\9> imrekt: python __main__.py 2>&1 | pastebinit
[20:58] <\9> sorry, had a typo in there
[20:58] <imrekt> that works, thank you
[20:58] <richieacc> Seveas: do you know where that file needs to be created? The man page is unclear.
[20:59] <Seveas> richieacc: try /etc/sudo.conf
[20:59] <Seveas> man sudo says it goes there
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> salamanderrake  for completeness, try:  apt-show-versions|grep -v uptodate
[21:00] <ionte_> hi. quick question: i'm a long term linux user who has been using mostly osx for the last years. back on ubuntu 14.04. i wan't to use two keyboard layouts (swedish and english). however, on multiple computers and multiple distro versions i have problem with getting this working consistently even on a new installation
[21:00] <richieacc> Ah. I didn't think to check sudo man, I checked sudo.conf
[21:00] <ionte_> it typically works for a while after booting. but after a couple of minutes suddenly switching keyboard, even with the keyboard switcher applet, does not work anymore
[21:01] <HanKtheRobot4> Why does the official Nvidia drivers for Linux break updates?
[21:01] <rinpoo> hi there does anyone know how to search in selected folders only?
[21:01] <ionte_> i have to switch back and forth a few times until it sticks. and then a little while later, after changinge windows etc, it's the same story again
[21:02] <reisio> rinpoo: search for what?
[21:02] <HanKtheRobot4> Is it still because of the STOLEN SGI CODE in the NVIDIA linux firmware?
[21:02] <reisio> HanKtheRobot4: I'd say in general it's because they're crap
[21:02] <ionte_> any ideas? this is obviously a bug, and a quite serious as it happens on each new installation, but i have not found much discussion on the internet...
[21:02] <reisio> ionte_: what's your implementation?
[21:03] <ionte_> reisio, of what?
[21:03] <ionte_> currently i'm running Ubuntu 14.04. had this problem with Unity. Changed to Gnome Shell: same thing. Changed to Xubuntu: same thing
[21:03] <salamanderrake> MonkeyDust: this is actually within steams runtime sdk chroot and I am trying to install mono > 2.* https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/fbcba21098c5497b6c33
[21:03] <reisio> ionte_: of your layout switching
[21:04] <rinpoo> files
[21:04] <rinpoo> I want to search for a filename in specific folders
[21:04] <ionte_> reisio: well, i have caps lock bound to change layout, but i had the same problem using ctrl+space and most seriously i have the same problem when using the default keyboard switching applet as well!
[21:05] <salamanderrake> MonkeyDust: when I first run the upgrade command it started but perl complained about the locales being set to default and default was not found
[21:05] <reisio> rinpoo: find dir1/ dir2/ dir3/ -type f -iname '*foo*bar*'
[21:05] <rinpoo> I kind of want to do that in the filemanager
[21:05] <Bashing-om> ionte_: What options are set in the control file " /etc/default/keyboard " ? For instance : XKBLAYOUT="us,ua,ru"  .
[21:06] <rinpoo> I have to move the files afterward
[21:06] <rinpoo> and it way too much work to do that in the terminal
[21:07] <bekks> rinpoo: finding files and moving them away is a oneliner in terminal.
[21:07] <richieacc> I found my solution. When I actually type the password on the command line, the command that is executed gets written to /var/log/auth.log. If it is not authenticated, then the command is not logged, which is perhaps not great, but possibly configurable. That gave me the commands that I needed to add to sudoers.
[21:07] <ionte_> Bashing-om: XKBMODEL="pc105", XKBLAYOUT="se", XKBVARIANT="", XKBOPTIONS="". i havn't touched it.
[21:07] <rinpoo> not if I need to sort the files
[21:07] <rinpoo> I have to sort them in different folders
[21:08] <rinpoo> no chance Im gonna do that in terminal
[21:08] <ionte_> Bashing-om: i guess that might explain why i got swedish keyboard, even after *removing* swedish keyboard layout in the keyboard settings!
[21:08] <NoCode> Should I install xinit? What's the best updated option to install a login screen? The name escapes me right now.
[21:08] <rinpoo> Im currently using nemo
[21:08] <rinpoo> maybe somebody knows a filemanger that can do that
[21:08] <Bashing-om> ionte_: I would open file /etc/default/keyboard and add necessary options: here 'us' .
[21:09] <ionte_> Bashing-om: as in XKBOPTIONS="us"?
[21:09] <ionte_> and keep XKBLAYOUT="se"?
[21:10] <NoCode> I guess an x display manager.
[21:10] <Bashing-om> ionte_: XKBLAYOUT="us,se" ; is what I would do .. assuming that the us language pack is installed .
[21:12] <ionte_> Bashing-om: ok, i'll try
[21:12] <rinpoo> wow even windows can do that kind of search....
[21:13] <rinpoo> can find anything in linux
[21:14] <Bashing-om> ionte_: One can also set the keyboard layotr switching to a hot key combo if you desire not to use the task bar .
[21:14] <Raku> I'm having issues getting the background in lightdm to change, it seems to have to do with having my theme set to numix but I can't find what part of it is overriding the background to a static color
[21:14] <ionte_> Bashing-om: i do, see above
[21:14] <ionte_> Bashing-om: but neither works!!
[21:15] <ner0x> Is there a way to set your keyboard backlights to off on default instead of having to turn them down on every boot?
[21:16] <skypce> how can i execute a script before close all aplications before logout?
[21:16] <skypce> ner0x, did you try in BIOS?
[21:17] <ner0x> skypce: I did not. I'll check that out. Thanks.
[21:18] <skypce> you are welcome :)
[21:18] <JmZ> any idea what'd cause `host` to resolve VPN hostnames but pinging them doesn't? (`Host xyz not found`)
[21:19] <JmZ> (and the IP `host` displays is reachable)
[21:19] <Bashing-om> ionte_: See: http://madduck.net/docs/extending-xkb/ . Maybe ??
[21:22] <ubuntu_kid> newbie
[21:23] <rinpoo> found recoll
[21:23] <NoCode> What's a good terminal internet brower?
[21:23] <NoCode> (in a tty)
[21:24] <k1l_> NoCode: links, lynx, elinks,....
[21:24] <genii> surfraw...
[21:25] <k1l_> noor w3m
[21:25] <k1l_> * NoCode
[21:25] <Madhumper69> my hd 2000 graphics drivers in ubuntu dont seem to work and i cant find any drivers anywhere? i cant get resolution 1920 . maybe this helps? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323486/
[21:25] <genii> NoCode: I like links2, actually
[21:26] <NoCode> Installed links, maybe I'll try links2.
[21:26] <Bashing-om> ionte_: ' setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle "us,se" . Where the hot key is set to ctl+shift . If this works in trminal one can add the command to the startup file .
[21:26] <Madhumper69> my hd 2000 graphics drivers in ubuntu dont seem to work and i cant find any drivers anywhere? i cant get resolution 1920 . maybe this helps? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323486/           and          http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323576/  thanks
[21:26] <NoCode> Trying to get my display manager to work, so I will Google. Unless someone wants to suggest something. :P
[21:31] <daftykins> Madhumper69: the intel drivers are in the kernel, so you shouldn't need any.
[21:32] <daftykins> Madhumper69: VESA is being used in place of intel, i wonder if the cruft you've added to the kernel boot parameters - "drm.debug=0xe plymouth:debug" are responsible
[21:33] <ionte_> Bashing-om: tried it. had english layout. pressed ctrl+shift, got swedish layout. pressed ctrl+shift again, still swedish layout. can't get back to english layout. tried caps lock (which i had configured before), same result. the keyboard applet show that english keyboard is selected though obviously swedish is active. selecting swedish in the keyboard applet changes nothing. neither does selecting english
[21:33] <ionte_> this is soooo broken...
[21:34] <Bashing-om> ionte_: Ouch ! that is so unexpected .. sounds now like above my pay grade .
[21:35] <Madhumper69> im not sure
[21:35] <Madhumper69> how would i go about seeing if that is causing the issue, its a fresh install
[21:36] <nacc> Madhumper69: a fresh install woulnd't have any extra parameters to the kernel in grub
[21:36] <Madhumper69> from those pastebins, doesnt seem like the gfx card is installed though eh?
[21:37] <Madhumper69> does *-display UNCLAIMED  mean drivers not installed?
[21:37] <Bashing-om> Madhumper69: Intel module is loaded ' sudo lshw -C display '? What is listd in the configuration line ?
[21:38] <ionte_> Bashing-om: yes, and the worst thing is that it's the same on new installation on multiple computer of the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS!!
[21:38] <kki> hi again, the reinstall the network-manager not solved the issue, manually added fix ip still not working. No eth0 connection. I' m still open for ideas
[21:39] <Madhumper69> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323631/
[21:40] <Madhumper69> what do you mean what is listed in the configuration line of xorg.conf?
[21:42] <Bashing-om> ionte_: Hpw about : setxkbmap -layout "us,se" -option "grp:ctrl_shift_toggle"
[21:44] <Raku> I'm having issues getting the background in lightdm to change, it seems to have to do with having my theme in lightdm set to numix but I can't find what part of the numix theme files are overriding the background to a static color instead of the background image I specify
[21:44] <Bashing-om> Madhumper69: Your surmise of no driver (module) loaded is confirmed that in the 'lshw' output no driver is listed .
[21:44] <Madhumper69> ok thanks, how do i force the driver?
[21:45] <daftykins> i don't think you even have it installed
[21:45] <genii> Raku: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Changing_the_Wallpaper
[21:46] <daftykins> Madhumper69: again - you've added stuff to the kernel boot parameters, it doesn't look like a clean install to me
[21:46] <Bashing-om> Madhumper69: Need more info befor I can answer that one .. any hints in the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log as to what is not taking place ?
[21:47] <daftykins> Madhumper69: check xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed
[21:47] <Madhumper69> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323486/ this is the xorg.o.log file
[21:47] <Madhumper69> thanks dafty will do
[21:48] <Bashing-om> Madhumper69: reading .
[21:48] <nacc> Madhumper69: also, what does "doesn't seem to work" mean for you?
[21:49] <Madhumper69> means that my display drivers are not installed and i get 1440x resolution and not 1920
[21:49] <Madhumper69> ?
[21:49] <nacc> Madhumper69: did you try changing the resolution?
[21:49] <daftykins> nacc: the log will show that such a suggestion is moot
[21:49] <daftykins> VESA driver is in use.
[21:49] <nacc> daftykins: ah good point
[21:50] <Madhumper69> dafty i tried what u have suggested and i get an error about dependencies http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323696/
[21:50] <Madhumper69> i tried changing the resolutions but i never get it to work in the xorg.conf
[21:51] <nacc> Madhumper69: what version of ubuntu is this? and did you run `apt-get update` first?
[21:51] <Madhumper69> yeah
[21:51] <Madhumper69> 14.04lts
[21:52] <Bashing-om> Madhumper69: No attempt is even made to look for an intel driver. I am with daftykins .. what is the purpose of those boot line parameters ?
[21:52] <ionte_> i've had it. ubuntu finally lost me due to crazy keyboard troubles. i should be coding, not try to get keyboard layout switching to work ... :( debian, here i come...
[21:52] <daftykins> Madhumper69: i don't think this was a normal desktop install - can you confirm?
[21:52] <Madhumper69> what bootline parameters... im little new to ubuntu.
[21:53] <Madhumper69> i installed from usb and then installed gnome
[21:53] <daftykins> Madhumper69: i stated them earlier, from the xorg log - you are passing "drm.debug=0xe plymouth:debug"
[21:53] <Madhumper69> i believe it was desktop cause i didnt download server ver.
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Madhumper69: " root=UUID=c8bc1cf2-af72-4db7-9615-acb1ee383933 ro drm.debug=0xe plymouth:debug " for sure non-standard !
[21:53] <daftykins> Madhumper69: try a "sudo apt update && sudo apt install xserver-xorg-core xorg-video-abi-15 xserver-xorg-video-intel"
[21:54] <shafox> I am trying to install Lighthouse and the doc says to do this Typically you'll want to map a hotkey to run,  https://github.com/emgram769/lighthouse WHere can I learn more ?
[21:55] <Madhumper69> dafty i get errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323725/
[21:55] <Madhumper69> how do i get rid of that bashing?
[21:55] <daftykins> Madhumper69: stop asking two people in parallel.
[21:55] <daftykins> ok your install looks to be a total mess
[21:56] <daftykins> whatever you did, you did it wrong
[21:56] <nacc> Madhumper69: what did you mean, you 'installed gnome'?
[21:56] <Madhumper69> yeah, im nore sure what happened this happend recently with dependencies
[21:57] <Madhumper69> anyway to fix that without reinstalling?
[21:57] <daftykins> no you just told us it's a normal fresh install
[21:57] <krobzaur> Hello all, I just tried to modify my xorg.conf file by adding another screen and now I can't log into my account. Is there any way I can roll back this config so I can log in again?
[21:57] <Madhumper69> i installed 4 days ago and had that problem from the biggining
[21:57] <daftykins> well, someone is welcome to try and help you pick up the pieces... but i personally would just start again.
[21:57] <Madhumper69> i think i broke it by trying to fix it :S
[21:57] <daftykins> yeah, sounds likely.
[21:57] <daftykins> you've hosed your package sources i suspect
[21:57] <nicomachus> krobzaur: nothing in the xorg.conf that you can alter should make you unable to log in.
[21:58] <Madhumper69> anyway to purge and reinstall taht?
[21:58] <krobzaur> Well, unable to log into my desktop/graphical environment
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> krobzaur  first, rename xorg.conf to xorg;conf.bak
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> krobzaur  first, rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bak
[21:58] <krobzaur> I can log into the text consoles on tty1 and whatnot
[21:58] <daftykins> Madhumper69: start again.
[21:58] <krobzaur> I tried that, but I'll give it another go
[21:59] <Madhumper69> i put so much work into setting up everything else :S
[21:59] <MonkeyDust> krobzaur  then restart to be sure
[21:59] <Bashing-om> krobzaur: One can (m)ove the control file /etc/X11/xorg.conf from terminal, and IF required generate a fresh one .
[21:59] <daftykins> Madhumper69: you shouldn't have gone any further on seeing package management was hosed.
[21:59] <daftykins> Madhumper69: also, i would not install from the ISO you chose
[21:59] <Madhumper69> im new to ubuntu i learned alot in last few weeks
[22:00] <Madhumper69> i wonder what i did wrong so i dont do it agian
[22:00] <krobzaur> ALright we'll see if this works!
[22:01] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | Madhumper69 1st step always !
[22:02] <Madhumper69> i downloaded it from ubuntu website, has to be fine
[22:02] <Madhumper69> must be something that took over the kernel?
[22:02] <nicomachus> Madhumper69: not a safe assumption.
[22:02] <daftykins> no, don't jump to conclusions
[22:02] <nicomachus> https://thehackernews.com/2016/02/linux-mint-hack.html
[22:02] <Madhumper69> hmm
[22:03] <Madhumper69> you guys are above my pay grade lol :)
[22:03] <nicomachus> unfortunately no one here gets paid.
[22:03] <Madhumper69> being funny i know its all opensource lol
[22:04] <Madhumper69> well i appriciate all the help i really do, i guess im SOL eh
[22:04] <nicomachus> no, you can reinstall like daftykins said and start fresh.
[22:04] <Madhumper69> yeah
[22:04] <Madhumper69> im going to install 15.10
[22:04] <nicomachus> better to stick with 14.04 until the next LTS comes out.
[22:05] <bprompt> Madhumper69:    keep in mind that reinstalling takes just about 30mins or less on an SSD, on an ssd would be around 5mins
[22:05] <Madhumper69> yeah but i have alot of configuration stuff to do
[22:05] <Madhumper69> apache plex transmission server
[22:05] <daftykins> i'd suggest 14.04.4
[22:05] <daftykins> all those are a one-liner
[22:05] <Madhumper69> not for a noob
[22:05] <bprompt> Madhumper69:      backup your $HOME, that's where all configs are
[22:05] <Madhumper69> lol
[22:05] <nicomachus> bprompt++
[22:05] <MonkeyDust> and in /etc/
[22:06] <Madhumper69> will that tint my new installation if its messed up to begin with?
[22:06] <bprompt> well.. yes /etc is another spot, not so much as ~ though, but important, I back that up as well
[22:07] <bprompt> Madhumper69:   will what again?
[22:07] <Madhumper69> well apperently i screwed up soemthing pretty bad
[22:07] <bprompt> and I gather you meant taint
[22:07] <Madhumper69> yeah im french my english is not the best :P
[22:07] <new0> how can i optimize my ubuntu 14.04 to work with 2ram and a swap file? any info u may need i can supply
[22:07] <nicomachus> new0: 2ram? you mean 2 GB of RAM?
[22:08] <new0> nicomachus, yes
[22:08] <nicomachus> new0: are you using Unity or what? for your desktop environment?
[22:08] <new0> it's old TOSHIBA SateliiteL455D
[22:08] <snowgoggles> Madhumper69: I would recommend using a system restore app like timeshift and create system snapshots before messing with configs if not familiar with what you're changing
[22:08] <new0> nicomachus, Unity
[22:08] <Madhumper69> is that like clonezilla or better?
[22:09] <new0> nicomachus, and i am not sure how to check how much ram it's taking and CPU time
[22:09] <Madhumper69> i was thinking of that too, as im at high risk to break things being a noob
[22:09] <nicomachus> new0: you may fair better with something more lightweight like lxde or xfce
[22:09] <nicomachus> new0: in the Dash you'll find "System Monitor"
[22:09] <snowgoggles> timeshift you can install on your running distro and backs up the system files but doesn't touch your user data by default
[22:10] <new0> nicomachus, sure. as i understand and remember i can use light DM
[22:10] <Madhumper69> good to know, thanks so much i have to run ...
[22:10] <snowgoggles> Madhumper69: but create a seperate small partition for the snapshots...ie. 30GB partition for timeshift snapshots
[22:10] <krobzaur> sweet that worked thanks guys!
[22:11] <nicomachus> new0: lightDM is what ubuntu uses as the login screen. lxde and xfce are alternatives to Unity, which is your desktop environment. Unity is a 3D environment, which can take more RAM and CPU power to render.
[22:11] <new0> nicomachus, good. System Monitor. good info
[22:11] <krobzaur> MonkeyDust: Bashing-om thanks!
[22:11] <new0> nicomachus, is Unity process called "compiz"?
[22:12] <nicomachus> new0: lxde will basically turn your Ubuntu in Lubuntu, whereas xfce will turn it into Xubuntu. Both are more lightweight versions of Unity.
[22:12] <nicomachus> new0: Unity uses compiz, yes.
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> new0  unity is a compiz plugin for gnome3
[22:13] <new0> MonkeyDust, nicomachus, tnx. so which process do i need to look into in order to see the ram Unity takes?
[22:14] <new0> nicomachus, MonkeyDust, at the moment the compiz take 97.9M
[22:14] <mljmac> new0: sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback, then logout and at the login you can choose Gnome Compiz
[22:14] <nicomachus> mljmac: that's not what he is wanting to do.
[22:14] <new0> mljmac, mmm can u explain what r those?
[22:15] <new0> nicomachus, MonkeyDust, anyhow, how would to install lxde or ...?
[22:15] <Bashing-om> krobzaur: :)
[22:15] <bprompt> new0:     use LXDE, that should help, but I'd rather suggest you're better off getting at least an SSD
[22:16] <nicomachus> bprompt: having an SSD vs. HDD isn't going to make much difference when it comes to 2gb of RAM and Unity...
[22:16] <nicomachus> new0: see here: http://www.howtogeek.com/107368/how-to-install-the-lightweight-lxde-desktop-on-ubuntu/
[22:16] <new0> bprompt, sure. there is a lot of things to do on this laptop. so... i can just buy new one :) it's tmp for now until..
[22:16] <daftykins> it'd make the inevitable swapping speedier :)
[22:16] <new0> nicomachus, i thought it's something with apt-get
[22:16] <nicomachus> new0: yea, apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[22:16] <new0> daftykins, ho yes. i did think of that actually
[22:17] <nicomachus> new0: that article explains it, and then explains how to switch to it.
[22:17] <daftykins> but yeah unity on 2GB... noooo
[22:17] <bprompt> nicomachus:    cpu usage wise, it will not, I/O wise, it makes a huge difference, and ram swapping benefits from that greatly, as well as regular OS processes and apps
[22:17] <new0> nicomachus, hoo, so that cmd is what will be on the tutorial?
[22:17] <nicomachus> new0: yes, it's all there.
[22:17] <new0> daftykins, :D
[22:18] <new0> nicomachus, tnx :)
[22:18] <nicomachus> bprompt: that's true, but comparing the cost of getting an SSD for >$100 and then trying to get it into a laptop that may not have a slot, opposed to using a free desktop env that's more lightweight... I'll suggest lxde over an SSD every time.
[22:18] <mljmac> new0: sudo apt-get install lxde
[22:20] <bprompt> nicomachus:    hmm as matter of hardware upgrade, assuming this is an old Sata2 2gb ddr2 laptop, ssd is the way to go, >$100?   not quite, it has gone down in price, you can get say.... a 64gbs sataII SSD from samsung or others, for $50 or thereabouts, you can get some 128gbs ones for less than $100 these days
[22:21] <new0> nicomachus, mljmac, daftykins, btw i would think to buy new 4Gram on future time
[22:21] <daftykins> new0: depends on the specific machine, 8GB is a minimum today. (i'd even say 16GB really)
[22:22] <daftykins> that's for DDR3 and 4 though really
[22:23] <new0> daftykins, can't agree with u more. but for new PC i would 32G the max i can for it. but this old laptop i have 2 options:
[22:23] <Bashing-om> new0: daftykins "  8GB is a minimum today. (i'd even say 16GB really) " While we are dreaming, 8 core AMD processor .
[22:24] <new0> daftykins, 1: get new SSD for my OLD (bug good) pc, and take the old SSD to swap on this laptop as i need to buy new one for it anyway. 2) get another 4G
[22:24] <new0> Bashing-om, why u queting?
[22:25] <new0> daftykins, and yes like nicomachus meantion with the link it give me "It’s even lighter than Xubuntu’s XFCE."
[22:25] <daftykins> well, hardware talk isn't quite on topic here - but sure, whatever goes - though I can't confirm those ideas being good without knowing the systems
[22:26] <Bashing-om> new0: Keeping in context, and where the quote came from .. my little addendum for my wish list .
[22:26] <Raku> genii, I've edited that already and it's getting overwritten by something in the numix theme http://puu.sh/nyuSU/59e3a235be.png
[22:26] <new0> daftykins, of course! this is why i said at start of topic.. any Q about my HW can be supply by me
[22:27] <daftykins> new0: yeah but it's not for this channel
[22:27] <fantasai_> Hi! Anyone have an idea why git would fail to authenticate against GitHub on 16.04 even though it works just fine under 12.04?
[22:28] <new0> daftykins, mm, i doubt that. because as i will list my HW here (if someone will ask or i needed to) then it might help with optimization
[22:28] <new0> daftykins, but for now i will stick with LXDE
[22:28] <daftykins> new0: no i'm telling you 100% that it's off topic for this channel :)
[22:28] <daftykins> i'm leaving now, i won't see any further messages
[22:28] <fantasai> (I have both systems installed on separate partitions, sharing a /home partition. Booting into 14.04 works, booting into 16.04 doesn't.)
[22:28] <fantasai> Sorry, meant s/12.04/14.04/
[22:29] <fantasai> I think.
[22:30] <snowgoggles> fantasai: if sharing a home partition perhaps there is a distro version specific config file causing the issue
[22:30] <mljmac> I got lxde now in 14.04 lts
[22:30] <fantasai> snowgoggles: In the home directory?
[22:31] <fantasai> snowgoggles: Seems pretty unlikely
[22:31] <le_pig> fantasai: Are you using an SSH key for GitHub auth?  If so, did you copy your key?
[22:31] <fantasai> le_pig: Yes, using SSH. Didn't copy the key: the entire /home partition is shared, so anything within it is identical.
[22:32] <fantasai> le_pig: Only system files aren't shared between the two environments -- stuff outside /home.
[22:33] <new0> i just did install lubuntu-desktop and it's saying after this operation, i will take 250M space. isn't that too much havy? or not realy?
[22:34] <fantasai> new0: lubuntu-desktop probably includes a lot of dependencies, since it's effectively a bundle of lots of software... 250M doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
[22:34] <fantasai> new0: Though I don't know what differs between your current environment and that
[22:35] <mljmac> new0: Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS took 6.3 GIG
[22:35] <fantasai> le_pig: The key is id_dsa
[22:35] <new0> fantasai, ok. yes it's because the customizer and dependencies. it's also have vanila LXDE with install lxde. should this be done?
[22:35] <new0> mljmac, perhaps
[22:36] <fantasai> new0: Not sure what you're asking... If you just want lxde, then probably just install lxde. IIRC desktop packages include lots of tools like settings manager, terminal, text editor, word processor, etc. At least, that's what I remember.
[22:36] <HanKtheRobot4> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/798414
[22:37] <HanKtheRobot4> this bug still exists in 15.10
[22:37] <fantasai> le_pig: I know stuff changed in openssl, did Ubuntu 16.04 drop support for id_dsa keys?
[22:37] <HanKtheRobot4> oh wait nvm...seems that it might have been picked up and squashed again. Thanks!
[22:39] <new0> fantasai, the lxde take half the packages to be installed and 46.4M only. is that mean i can just install the lxde and then if something else missing/needed than i will do install lubuntu-desktop too?
[22:39] <fantasai> new0: Yeah, sure, give it a shot. :)
[22:39] <new0> fantasai, :) ok
[22:39] <fantasai> new0: lxde package is a subset of lxde-desktop
[22:39] <Raku> genii, Got any other ideas?
[22:39] <le_pig> fantasai: I'm not sure, but you're likely looking at two different versions of openssl libs between 12.04 and 14.04.  Either way, I assumed it was best practice to use RSA 2048 and up at this point.  Maybe it's time to go with something a bit stronger, no? :)
[22:40] <new0> fantasai, ok. i guess if i have tools installed in Unity, they will be on lxde too! right?
[22:40] <new0> fantasai, like gedit, sublime text, etc...
[22:40] <fantasai> new0: They will remain installed, yes, unless you uninstall Unity
[22:41] <genii> Raku: I'm not familiar with numix, so nothing immediately comes to mind, sorry.
[22:41] <fantasai> le_pig: Yeah, probably. I'd have to get the sysadmins to change my keys then. :p Let me try that, hopefully it works......
[22:42] <Raku> It's something in the actual theme, if I change it to  greybird for example http://puu.sh/nyvX1/b5c5b8488c.png the background displays fine
[22:43] <le_pig> fantasai: Looks like DSA will be deprecated with the 7.0 release of openssh: http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html
[22:43] <Mike> Hi ist hier jemand der deutch spricht?
[22:43] <nicomachus> !de | Mike
[22:44] <Mike> Ok thanks:-)
[22:46] <new0> nicomachus, so..... i guess to have to do LogOutIn for LXDE
[22:47] <fantasai> le_pig: Thanks :)
[22:47] <nicomachus> new0: yes, and while logged out you have to click on the little Ubuntu logo next to your username, and then select LXDE from the dropdown menu. Then log in. It should keep LXDE as default from then on.
[22:47] <fantasai> le_pig: Seems to be working now.
[22:47] <new0> btw, if i use different DM is it taking less memory for each app it's running?
[22:47] <le_pig> fantasai: Whatever you did, I'm glad it's working now. :)
[22:47] <new0> nicomachus, nice tnx
[22:48] <new0> brb
[22:48] <denni> rt!
[22:48] <fantasai> le_pig: Switched to rsa like you said :)
[22:48] <fantasai> now I just need to backup this key before I get myself into trouble...
[22:51] <new0> nicomachus, ?
[22:52] <new0> wow, it think that's really fast Environment :) :D
[22:52] <new0> finally
[22:52] <nicomachus> good.
[22:52] <new0> anyway i do have more issues now hope u and u all will help :)
[22:53] <new0> why my VGA card is my primary screen and not my build-in laptop screen?
[22:55] <new0> ?
[22:56] <fantasai> new0: No idea, but xrandr might be able to help you figure out what's going on.
[22:56] <fantasai> new0: It lists all the active windows and lets you configure them
[22:57] <fantasai> new0: I'm afraid I don't use lxde, so not sure how to do that graphically.
[22:57] <new0> fantasai, who is xrandr?
[22:57] <fantasai> new0: Its a console command. A bit hard to use, but can be useful for figuring out what's going on :)
[22:57] <monkey_> Hi all. Im using Ubuntu 5.10 with Cinnamon. And for some reason i have two file browsers. Both very similar. But one has a menu and more functionality. But the other one seems to be the default. Any ideas how i remove it?
[22:58] <new0> fantasai, do u know how to terminaly doing it?
[22:58] <fantasai> new0: Open a terminal and type 'xrandr'. It should print out the various monitors and their output modes
[22:59] <fantasai> new0: I'm sure there's a better way to do this... maybe try looking for the Display configuration screen in lxde's settings manager? :)
[22:59] <deehuck> Hello! My system seems to be using a lot more swap space than it should. For example, at the moment I'm using ~500MB of RAM and ~600MB of swap. From what I understand swap is a lot slower than RAM so I would obviously prefer my system to use the RAM as much as possible. Ubuntu 15.10
[23:00] <monkey_> I essentially have 2 versions of nemo
[23:00] <monkey_> deehuck, Swap will only get used when your ram is full afaik
[23:00] <new0> fantasai, great. xrandr really display the info. how to change the settings?
[23:01] <Raku> genii, I fixed it, the gtk-greeter-tehem.css was missing a line in it
[23:01] <deehuck> monkey_, well I have 4GB of RAM installed so it is definitely not full :/
[23:01] <monkey_> deehuck, You should have the same size swap as you do ram
[23:01] <fantasai> new0: Um. Something like xrander --output VGA1 --mode 1400x900 ? There should be a manual somewhere...
[23:01] <HanKtheRobot4> Ubuntu Borg is a Star Trek nerd at IBM
[23:01] <HanKtheRobot4> hehe
[23:01] <fantasai> new0: But really there should be an easier way to do it :)
[23:01] <HanKtheRobot4> he went to sleep on Saturday
[23:01] <HanKtheRobot4> so he is not a real borg
[23:01] <fantasai> new0: I'm just on a weird setup and don't have one...
[23:01] <deehuck> monkey_, do you think if I made the swap partition bigger than the RAM the kernel may try to prioritize the larger amount?
[23:02] <new0> fantasai, ok
[23:02] <genii> Raku: Glad to know the solution for future sufferers of the same problem.
[23:02] <fantasai> new0: xrander --help will list all the possible commands
[23:02] <daftykins> deehuck: read up on vm.swapiness
[23:02] <monkey_> deehuck, No. It will always use the ram first
[23:02] <monkey_> deehuck, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[23:02] <fantasai> new0: You'll probably want xrander --output LVDSORWHATEVERTHESCREENISCALLED --somethingelse
[23:03] <RavenholmDX> Hey, any wget experts around?
[23:03] <Raku> genii, The general section from here https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/apps/lightdm-gtk-greeter.css was the specific part missing
[23:03] <fantasai> new0: Sorry I don't know lxde :(
[23:03] <new0> fantasai, mmm isn't thta xrander is ubuntu command and not lxde?
[23:03] <fantasai> new0: But it might solve your immediate problem until you figure it out :)
[23:04] <fantasai> It's an X windows command.
[23:04] <fantasai> should work on all desktop systems
[23:04] <krobzaur> Hello all! Question about multi monitor setups. How would I "decouple" my monitors, so I could move between desktops on each monitor independently
[23:05] <rolic> Hi
[23:05] <Raku> I'm also having a problem with a kernel module I compiled, I have it in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/extra but it does not get loaded, the original one takes priority
[23:06] <krobzaur> I've looked around on the internet but I'm a little wary about messing with my configs because I just tried a second ago and messed up my ability to log in to my graphical desktop environment
[23:06] <new0> fantasai, ok. tnx
[23:07] <deehuck> monkey_, after reading that it seems I made my swap space too large causing it to act erratically. thanks for the pointers :D
[23:07] <new0> anyone here know to do change monitor primary screen with xrandr or any other cmd?
[23:08] <new0> this LXDE is really fast than Unity i usage so it would be very much helpfull
[23:08] <monkey_> new0, Most DE's are faster than Unity
[23:09] <ProfInc> Can anyone help me?  I am trying to install an apk app on a amazon fire stick and I have reached the point where I have connected the fire stick to the computer.  But when I list the devices, it says there is more than one connected and when I try to install the apk, it says this...
[23:09] <ProfInc> error: more than one device and emulator
[23:09] <ProfInc> - waiting for device -
[23:09] <new0> fantasai, mmmm i think that was the customizer all about isn't it? it's just tools of setting instead of vanilla LXDE without customization. and all those tools 250M total, i don't think it's been loading into the memory when boot/loggedIn! right?
[23:09] <new0> monkey_, mmm, and i really need that speed
[23:10] <ProfInc> How do I go about disabling the other device that shows up?
[23:10] <new0> monkey_, it's 2G :)
[23:10] <ProfInc> if anyone can help me please PM me
[23:11] <new0> monkey_, would u know how to configure primary screen? with xrandr or any terminal cmd?
[23:11] <monkey_> new0, check out cinnamon. Its just as fast as LXDE from my experience.
[23:11] <monkey_> new0, No, not used it
[23:11] <new0> monkey_, ok. tnx
[23:14] <ProfInc> can someone help me with installing an app on to a amazon firestick?
[23:15] <yonatan> what's the best way to implement a service where people email stuff and i reply with some text (say generated by a python script run on their email)? any pointers?
[23:16] <fantasai> new0: I have no idea what lxde uses as a display settings editor.
[23:16] <fantasai> new0: If you can find out, you can probably fix it
[23:17] <bluefive> Does TOR use AES?
[23:17] <daftykins> bluefive: not really relevant here, find their channel perhaps
[23:17] <taffy> disrespectful
[23:17] <taffy> youre not relevent here with that stink bret
[23:18] <daftykins> !ops | taffy PM abuse
[23:18] <bluefive> I found the TOR network: irc.oftc.net.
[23:22] <giminy> stupid question: is there an official list of all ubuntu package signing keys someplace?
[23:23] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/gquhw5Vq
[23:23] <Bray90820> Is aaron the owner and mythtv the group or the other way around?
[23:24] <dax> Bray90820: aaron's the owner, mythtv's the group
[23:24] <Bray90820> what's the difference between an owner and a group?
[23:25] <new0> monkey_, great idea. now i using gnome (now sure how it was installed) but this is fast
[23:25] <drkfdr> doh... those times you forget to ask NTP access on a firewalled site...
[23:26] <new0> also pretty nice too
[23:26] <monkey_> bah, gnome is awful
[23:26] <new0> monkey_, what do u use/
[23:26] <new0> ?
[23:26] <monkey_> Cinnamon
[23:26]  * drkfdr installed ntp server and syncs via openvpn instead ;P
[23:26] <new0> monkey_, is it good for old laptop with 2G too?
[23:27] <monkey_> Like i said earlier, I find it runs just as quick as LXDE and Gnome, faster if anything
[23:27] <monkey_> And much nicer than both
[23:27] <new0> monkey_, mm. good to know.
[23:28] <new0> monkey_, because i think i should probably first use a DE/DM before running into terminal
[23:28] <new0> now, what it would be best for FTP client?
[23:29] <nicolasb> hello :) i am super sorry in advance, i know that much has been written online about this topic but i was unable to find an appropriate answer... i tried many things that i can list, but to no avail. my problem is : grub rescue. the infamous. if anyone ever did the mistake of formatting a linux partition, i would be more than happy to hear about their recovering experience. i spotted a few threads on askubuntu wih the same pro
[23:29] <nicolasb> blem but none of the proposed solutions works/are doable for me...
[23:29] <monkey_> new0, Filezilla
[23:30] <new0> monkey_, tnx
[23:30] <caden> you might be able to hold ESC on bootup and it might work
[23:30] <caden> or try to get into ur pc's bios
[23:31] <nicolasb> escape doesnt work :( i went into bios and did all the possible configurations ( up to some point ) and none worked
[23:31] <nicolasb> but thanks though :)
[23:31] <caden> is ur computer a laptop or desktop
[23:31] <new0> monkey_, nice. i see Nautilus too. but i will try FileZilla latter.
[23:31] <new0> monkey_, mmm sudo apt-get install filezilla?
[23:31] <nicolasb> laptop
[23:32] <caden> take out your battery, and hold the power button for 20 seconds with the battery out. Put the battery back in and try again
[23:32] <caden> fixed mine
[23:32] <monkey_> new0, Check the UBuntu software centre
[23:33] <new0> monkey_, tnx
[23:33] <new0> monkey_, hhmm, i see i already have it installed :)
[23:33] <new0> i guess i forgot about it.
[23:33] <new0> tnx all
[23:34] <nicolasb> still grub rescue. i mean, i formatted the linux partition, so my only hope was to boot from live usb key, but it is unable to do so...
[23:34] <nicolasb> apparently that my second hope is to boot into windows, but i am also unable to do so.
[23:34] <caden> Wait, did you actually do what I just said? Just so I know if it worked.
[23:34] <snowgoggles> new0:  and i was just starting to appreciate your terminal usage with apt-get
[23:34] <nicolasb> yes i di
[23:34] <nicolasb> d
[23:35] <caden> well, i'm stumped. sorry
[23:35] <caden> maybe try to make an ubuntu install disc, booting from it and completely erasing the linux partition
[23:36] <nicolasb> ahah it's ok - i've been trying all the combinations of "ls (hdx,y)" in grub rescue but it is stuck at insmod normal
[23:37] <new0> snowgoggles, "and i was just....." meaning sarcasm?
[23:37] <nicolasb> your solution ( to make an ubuntu install disc) is what i originally had in mind, but the pc doesn't boot from the key when plugged in
[23:37] <caden> well, my problems never went that far, the battery trick worked for me
[23:38] <snowgoggles> new0:  not all ....you'll learn linux faster doing things like installing software through the terminal and familiar with apt tools
[23:38] <giminy> anybody running 12.04 that can tell me what signing keys are used for signing packages in that distro?
[23:40] <snowgoggles> new0:  for instance search your repo cache for packages...checking install state....package repo source...so on
[23:40] <new0> snowgoggles, sure. can't agree more. one day i might not use any GUI and really become master of it and save more CPU/ram compsamtion
[23:41] <new0> snowgoggles, yep
[23:41] <new0> snowgoggles, on the end i might write some code my self to some DM
[23:41] <snowgoggles> new0:  start updating your repo cache through terminal instead of depending on a gui like soft center
[23:42] <new0> snowgoggles, actually i barely even touch soft center
[23:42] <snowgoggles> just enter sudo apt-get update to refresh your repo package sources...and if there's issues it will tell you...software center doess'nt always explain the issue in enough detail
[23:43] <new0> snowgoggles, mm. yes. i do use update and autoclean once
[23:44] <ubuntu> hi
[23:44] <Guest6535> hi
[23:44] <new0> snowgoggles, btw. it's already the 5th/6th time that i came back and forward to linux/ubuntu and all the time something like not knowing the system too good like Win7 got me to stop
[23:45] <new0> snowgoggles, this time i feel more knowing it and start to get it/learn it very fast
[23:45] <Guest6535> are there any linux mp3 players that can handle 100,000+ songs?
[23:45] <daftykins> what do you mean by Linux player?
[23:46] <Guest6535> software
[23:46] <daftykins> ah ok, my head was stuck in portable devices
[23:46] <genii> So not RokBox then
[23:46] <Guest6535> music player
[23:46] <snowgoggles> new0: you need an incentive to stay with linux / ubuntu
[23:46] <daftykins> gmusicbrowser, banshee, err... plenty more
[23:46] <Guest6535> banshee can handle it?
[23:47] <snowgoggles> new0:  how about free with no ads?
[23:47] <daftykins> maybe, no idea.
[23:47] <Guest6535> i tried clementine but didn't like it
[23:48] <new0> snowgoggles, why? where the ads on Win?
[23:48] <nacc> Guest6535: it sounds like you had an answer already, you just didn't like the answer
[23:48] <Danielh90> Should I use tmux or screen's to handle my minecraft server's?
[23:48] <daftykins> Danielh90: it doesn't matter, use what you want.
[23:48] <new0> snowgoggles, btw Win is for Graphic things Photoshop/games
[23:48] <Guest6535> k thx
[23:48] <Danielh90> daftykins, witch one works better?
[23:49] <new0> snowgoggles, anyway, nice talk :) got to go
[23:49] <daftykins> Danielh90: you tell me
[23:50] <Danielh90> daftykins, tmux I think
[23:50] <daftykins> i don't think you're aware of the difference :) go try them
[23:51] <jvturner> I'm trying to install php7 on a Ubuntu 12.04 box but getting Error: 'main' invalid
[23:51] <daftykins> jvturner: are you married to 12.04? because that sentence is kind of ridiculous
[23:52] <jvturner> daftykins: no I just downloaded a vm that has 12.04 and Drupal 8 working as I needed it to and working with vagrant, so it saves me time, but I wanted to upgrade for PHP7
[23:53] <jvturner> if you think I can solve the issue by upgrading to Ubuntu 14.x, I will try it
[23:53] <daftykins> ah ok so a case of "user makes task more complicated for self"
[23:53] <daftykins> no that won't help either
[23:53] <daftykins> not even sure 16.04 is going to 7...
[23:54] <daftykins> apparently it might be!
[23:55] <diddledan> php7 is available in xenial under the package name php7.0


[01:12] <dijonyummy> will dolphin ever get an option to configure file overwrite if size and/or date is the same? would be very nice
[01:38] <len> My uncle is having a strange problem with Kmix.  If he clicks on the mix icon in the system try and trys to adjust the volume with the internal audio speaker volunme, nothing happens, BUT if he hits teh mixer button to bring up the full window and adjusts the exactly the same labeled slider in the full box, it works.
[01:38] <len> Any ideas what would cause this?
[01:44] <makis> hi
[01:45] <makis> do you copy?
[01:46] <makis> anyone?
[05:17] <ddalley> Can someone help me with a networked printer set-up problem, please?
[07:00] <aljosa> brightness is automatically changing every couple of seconds, any idea what could cause this? it looks pretty random
[07:46] <katieskool> trimming the fat from a fresh install of Quantal, POLL: Quassel vs konversation...
[07:51] <katieskool> Any opinions? quassel vs Konversation for IRC client
[07:55] <katieskool> dead chan?
[09:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:41] <n8w> how do i enable syslog to console?
[09:42] <lordievader> n8w: You want to read the syslog while it is generated? tail -f /var/log/syslog
[09:43] <n8w> lordievader, ye thats a solution...but i was woderin about this line in the conf *.=notice;*.=warn       |/dev/xconsole
[09:44] <lordievader> n8w: I would say it's a bad idea to only log to the console. You loose your archive/backlog...
[09:45] <n8w> lordievader, not only to console...both
[09:45] <n8w> lordievader, but then your solution is better
[09:47] <n8w> lordievader, noo, your solution is exactly what i need...thx:)
[09:48] <lordievader> n8w: No problem ;)
[09:51] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Okay, lordievader!
[09:51] <SudoSudoSudoSu> How do I find out what my graphics card model is?
[09:51] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It's an ATI.
[09:51] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I'm sure about that.
[09:52] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Run (from a terminal): kdesudo jockey-kde
[09:52] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sure thing!
[09:53] <SudoSudoSudoSu> There.
[09:53] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I typeded it in.
[09:53] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Hit enter...
[09:53] <SudoSudoSudoSu> No drivers.
[09:54] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Hmm, is it an old card?
[09:54] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I don't know.
[09:54] <SudoSudoSudoSu> How do I find out what model it is?
[09:55] <n8w> ok here we go...things have started revealing...anyone knowin whats this: /USR/SBIN/CRON[15940]: (root) MAIL (mailed 17 bytes of output but got status 0x0001 ) ?
[09:56] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: glxinfo|grep Open
[09:56] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sure.
[09:56] <lordievader> n8w: Have gotten that for a while too, haven't seen it for a while in my logwatch. Unfortunately I have no idea what fixed it... :(
[09:56] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Have to install mesa_drivers
[09:56] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Should I?
[09:57] <n8w> lordievader, but mailed to where?
[09:57] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Ah glxinfo is not installed? Yes install the package it complains about.
[09:57] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Thanks! Wow, so good to be helped.
[09:58] <lordievader> n8w: Perhaps to your root mail account, hold on a sec.
[09:58] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Wait.
[09:58] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It was mesa_utils
[09:58] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sorry.
[09:59] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Should I install THAT?
[09:59] <lordievader> n8w: This might work: sudo mail <- is there mail in there?
[09:59] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Yes, glxinfo is inside that package.
[09:59] <SudoSudoSudoSu> :D
[10:00] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It can't locate the package.
[10:00] <n8w> lordievader, i have got mail command... but mailq ...it says its empty
[10:00] <n8w> lordievader, i have got not /etc/aliases
[10:01] <lordievader> n8w: Hmm, I knew this was a very strange problem. Believe I googled it once without any success... I'm sorry but I cannot help you :(
[10:01] <n8w> lordievader, k, thx anywai
[10:01] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[10:01] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Ah.
[10:02] <SudoSudoSudoSu> There!
[10:02] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I put in a _ instead of a -
[10:03] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It got up to:
[10:03] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Setting up mesa-utils (8.0.1+git20110129+d8f7d6b-0ubuntu2) ...
[10:03] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Is that it?
[10:03] <lordievader> Yes, SudoSudoSudoSu
[10:03] <SudoSudoSudoSu> :D
[10:03] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Thanks!
[10:05] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It crashed... Agian.
[10:06] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: What crashed? Minecraft? We are not even remotely close to having it working....
[10:07] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Ah, it was Minecraft.
[10:07] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sorry.
[10:07] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Carry on?
[10:07] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: glxinfo|grep Open
[10:07] <SudoSudoSudoSu> SSure.
[10:07] <lordievader> Paste bin the output, SudoSudoSudoSu
[10:07] <SudoSudoSudoSu> What output?
[10:08] <palasso> the output on the terminal
[10:08] <SudoSudoSudoSu> http://pastebin.com/FdJvF2Tr
[10:08] <SudoSudoSudoSu> There.
[10:10] <lordievader> Hmpff, fine. What does "lspci |grep VGA" give? SudoSudoSudoSu
[10:11] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Let me see.
[10:11] <SudoSudoSudoSu> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
[10:12] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Hey... What DOES "Grep" do?
[10:13] <lordievader> sebo: Searches through things.
[10:13] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Who's sebo?
[10:14] <lordievader> sebo: Wrong directed answer... sorry ;)
[10:14] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: ^
[10:14] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Your card is ancient btw, 2004...
[10:14] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Thanks!
[10:14] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Oh my god...
[10:14] <SudoSudoSudoSu> So...
[10:15] <palasso> I know for sure that since 12.10 some GPUs (including 2004 cards) are considered legacy from the proprietary AMD driver so the open source one is used.
[10:15] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Wat
[10:16] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: This driver you could install: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.12&lang=English
[10:16] <lordievader> sebo: Could you keep it in channel, you'll probably get helped faster and your question might also help other people.
[10:17] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sebo?
[10:17] <SudoSudoSudoSu> WHo's Sebo?
[10:17] <palasso> I think there might be a PPA or a nice guide on some blog I've seen before for installing the proprietary driver for legacy cards...
[10:18] <lordievader> Relax SudoSudoSudoSu, there are more people in this channel. You are not the only one.
[10:18] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It's gonna be a tarball, Isn't it.
[10:18] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Ugh, why does eveyone tell me to relax, I'm fine!
[10:18] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Nope, .run file.
[10:19] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Good...?
[10:19] <sebo> lordievader: ok. i hope that someone can help me
[10:19] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Act that way... please.
[10:19] <lordievader> sebo: Repeat the question ;)
[10:19] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Well... What.
[10:20] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Download the driver, make it executable, to be sure disable X, install driver, reboot.
[10:20] <sebo> hi can you tell me how to do it? in update center i dont have notification that i have to update system
[10:20] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It opens in Kae.
[10:20] <SudoSudoSudoSu> *Kate
[10:21] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, what is the name of the file you just installed?
[10:21] <palasso> *downloaded
[10:22] <lordievader> sebo: Go to System Settings -> Application and System Notifications -> Other Notifications, is "Upgrade information" enabled?
[10:22] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: You didn't make it executable..
[10:22] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Hwo do I?
[10:22] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: chmod a+x <driver-location>
[10:22] <palasso> chmod +x I think
[10:23] <SudoSudoSudoSu> ...
[10:23] <sebo> lordievarder: yes
[10:24] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Do I put in the file.
[10:24] <SudoSudoSudoSu> As well?
[10:24] <palasso> yes
[10:24] <palasso> We want the permission change only to that file
[10:24] <palasso> Not the entire folder
[10:24] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Ah.
[10:25] <lordievader> sebo: Ok, in the Manage Notification -> Event Source: System Notification -> is there an I before "Updates are available"?
[10:25] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, you can type the command you're abt to run here first just for proofreading
[10:26] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Nah, it's fine.
[10:26] <SudoSudoSudoSu> chmod a+x /home/(Not showing for privacy reasons)/Downloads/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run.part
[10:27] <sebo> lordievader: yes
[10:27] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, see the ".part" thing? This means it hasn't been downloaded fully yet
[10:27] <lordievader> sebo: Do you get a notification when you run "sudo apt-get update"?
[10:28] <palasso> wait for a while and type "chmod a+x /home/(Not showing for privacy reasons)/Downloads/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run" when the download is finished and a file without the .part file is available
[10:29] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, also if you want you can use "~" instead of "/home/(Not showing for privacy reasons)"
[10:29] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Thanks.
[10:30] <palasso> That makes the command: "chmod a+x ~/Downloads/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run"
[10:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> chmod a+x ~/Downloads/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run
[10:30] <palasso> yeap
[10:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Wut nowh?
[10:31] <palasso> Is the download finished?
[10:31] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Eeyup.
[10:31] <palasso> Run the command
[10:31] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I did.
[10:31] <palasso> sudo sh  ~/Downloads/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run
[10:32] <littlebit> hi people, I have a new thinkpad edge330 where i have installed kubuntu. in order to press F2, for example, i have to use the "Fn" button. The funtion buttons are reversed. How can I reverse the funtion buttons back?
[10:32] <lordievader> It is advised to disable X before installing the driver...
[10:32] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Infinite :D
[10:32] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Oops.
[10:32] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Well, I'm running X.
[10:33] <lordievader> littlebit: You could remap all the keys, but I think that will be a pain...
[10:33] <lordievader> Hey murthy, how are you?
[10:33] <SudoSudoSudoSu> -_(\(\(\(\(\(\
[10:33] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Do you know how to get to a tty and use it?
[10:33] <littlebit> lordivader: do you have a link where it is documented ?
[10:33] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Uh...
[10:33] <murthy> hi lordievader how are you today, i am fine
[10:33] <palasso> He won't be able to read us
[10:34] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Isn't it Ctrl+something+Fwhatever?
[10:34] <murthy> hello everyone
[10:34] <lordievader> littlebit: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/09/15/faq-how-to-disableremap-a-keyboard-key-in-linux/
[10:34] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, in case you won't be available on IRC keep in mind in the end after the process is finished to do a "sudo aticonfig --initial -f"
[10:34] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Thanks.
[10:34] <SudoSudoSudoSu> SO, remind me how to get to a TTY?
[10:34] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Is "Uh" a yes or a no?
[10:34] <littlebit> lordievader: thank you
[10:35] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Isn't it Ctrl+something+Fwhatever?
[10:35] <lordievader> murthy: Doing good murthy, doing some web-development :)
[10:35] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, it's Ctrl+Alt+F1
[10:35] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Thanks!
[10:35] <palasso> And F6 to get back to the GUI if I remember correctly
[10:35] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Hold on...
[10:36] <SudoSudoSudoSu> No, It's F7
[10:36] <lordievader> palasso: This isn't what you want, for all I know he has no idea what to do next once he gets to the tty1...
[10:36] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Ok lets suppose you are in tty1, do you know how to disable X?
[10:36] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Nope.
[10:37] <palasso> lordievader, isn't enough an sh then following the install process and then a aticonfig? Anyway I'm not that knowledgeable, you go ahead and help him.
[10:37] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: As I thought, hold on, I'll write down the commands, write these down somewhere.
[10:38] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Okay.
[10:38] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Are you running Kubuntu 12.10, or 12.04?
[10:39] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Uh...
[10:39] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Let me check.
[10:39] <SudoSudoSudoSu> 12.04
[10:40] <lordievader> littlebit: No problem.
[10:42] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: This should be correct: http://paste.kde.org/697340/
[10:42] <sebo> lordievader: thanks command works :D
[10:43] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Okay.
[10:43] <lordievader> That wasn't the root of sebo's problem...
[10:46] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Do you know a kde IRC client I can use in terminal?
[10:46] <SudoSudoSudoSu> WAit... just IRC.
[10:47] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: irssi.
[10:51] <alse_> does anyone know how to generate 64 bit shell code to do buffer overflow?
[11:57] <PrincessLuna> Hi, on KDE 4.10.1 sometimes the mouse cursor moves but I cannot click anything on plasma and rekonq. Clicking in everything else works. Any ideas?
[11:57] <PrincessLuna> Forgot to mention, I meant click with a touchscreen
[12:02] <PrincessLuna> Also it works sometimes but most of the times it is not functional
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:28] <norok2> hi
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hi norok2
[14:29] <norok2> do you know if kubuntu is going to propose any gsoc project?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> what is gsoc ...I'm not big on acronyms
[14:37] <norok2> google summer of code
[14:55] <RockApe> howdy
[14:57] <RockApe> need some   help, my kubuntu laptop is timeing out and having connection reset errors
[14:57] <BluesKaj> howdy RockApe, timing out during boot ?
[14:58] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[14:58] <RockApe> network issue when connecting to network
[14:58] <RockApe> chrome, firefox, wget, etc
[14:58] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[14:59] <RockApe> also 12.04
[14:59] <BluesKaj> RockApe, what's your network setup , wifi on home network or ?
[15:00] <RockApe> even lan (wifi n)
[15:00] <RockApe> cerowrt ap wndr3800
[15:00] <RockApe> no ipv6
[15:02] <BluesKaj> cerowrt ap wndr3800?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> RockApe, have you checked the logs to see what's erroring out with your connection ?
[15:06] <RockApe> http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt
[15:06] <RockApe> which llogs
[15:06] <BluesKaj>  look in /var/log/syslog
[15:07] <RockApe> i just did 300mb of system updates :(, can i roll back
[15:07] <RockApe> will look
[15:09] <RockApe> shows my attempts to change between 2.4 & 5
[15:11] <BluesKaj> RockApe, sorry i'm not familiar with OpenWrt , and i's not in the kubuntu repositories so technically it's not supported here
[15:12] <BluesKaj> OpenWrt must have a support forum or chat of it's own , RockApe
[15:13] <RockApe> that is my router
[15:14] <BluesKaj> oops cerwrt then
[15:15] <RockApe> still my router
[15:15] <RockApe> cero wrt  is a qos version   of    openwrt
[15:16] <RockApe> damn broken spacebar
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yes but you're running proprietary software that isn't supported here , http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki
[15:20] <RockApe> no other computer or android device has a problem
[15:20] <BluesKaj> maybe #networking can help you
[15:20] <RockApe> just kubuntu
[15:21] <RockApe> never mind
[16:28] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Firefox keeps crashing.
[16:29] <gerson> hola
[16:29] <SudoSudoSudoSu> ?? Who said hi?
[16:29] <lordievader> Hey SudoSudoSudoSu, did you succeed in installing the driver?
[16:30] <gerson> alguno habla epanol?
[16:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sorry, I was out.
[16:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> 4 hours.
[16:30] <lordievader> !spain| gerson
[16:30] <palasso> lol
[16:30] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, did the gpu driver work?
[16:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Haven't installed it!
[16:30] <palasso> ohhh ok
[16:30] <gerson> gracias
[16:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Firefox keeps crashing.
[16:30] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Help?
[16:31] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Trying to read about SCP: Containment breach.
[16:31] <SudoSudoSudoSu> #join kubuntu-offtopic
[16:31] <palasso> I'd like to inform you that there is risk to this procedure that could make x.org not working properly
[16:31] <BluesKaj> SudoSudoSudoSu, got kubuntu-restricted-extras installed ?
[16:32] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Don't know.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> SudoSudoSudoSu, then do , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras , in a terminal
[16:33] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I did.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> when ?
[16:33] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Well, doing it.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> FF might be crashing due to lack of flash and java
[16:34] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Well, I have Flash installed, and OpenJDK 6.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> SudoSudoSudoSu, try a differnt browser to test
[16:35] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sure.
[16:38] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It works!
[16:40] <SudoSudoSudoSu> But...
[16:40] <SudoSudoSudoSu> What about the Minecraft problem?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> wesupport minecraft here , sorry
[16:40] <BluesKaj> don't
[16:40] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I was given help by lordievader.
[16:41] <SudoSudoSudoSu> It's not JUST Minecraft.
[16:41] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Have you installed the driver?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> running it in wine ?
[16:41] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It seemed to me an OpenGL problem.
[16:42] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I tried using it in wine,
[16:42] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Had to install Java on WINE.
[16:42] <SudoSudoSudoSu> So...
[16:42] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Tried that.
[16:42] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Can you answer my question please?
[16:43] <SudoSudoSudoSu> What one?
[16:43] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Oh.
[16:43] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Not yet.
[16:43] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I was AFK.
[16:43] <SudoSudoSudoSu> For 4 hours.
[16:44] <lordievader> SudoSudoSudoSu: Well do so, it probably solves your problem. Last time we forgot to inform you, there are some risks. You might get stuck with a black-screen.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> heh, probly needs mono and moonlight like some other windows/silverlignt
[16:45] <palasso> SudoSudoSudoSu, if you want to play sth in WINE perhaps you should do your research on the web and look for support in the appropriate channels (WINE in that case)
[16:45] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Sure.
[16:46] <rowlo> hi everyone
[16:46] <lordievader> Hey rowlo, how are you?
[16:46] <rowlo> thx fine how are you?
[16:47] <rowlo> I'm having trouble installing kubuntu 12.10 on a 2 year old machine
[16:47] <rowlo> the live dvd just doesn't boot up
[16:47] <rowlo> can anybody assist me with this?
[16:48] <lordievader> rowlo: Have you checked the disc for errors?
[16:48] <rowlo> I get to the boot loader menu, select my language and choose start kubuntu, then the system totally freezes after about 3 seconds
[16:48] <rowlo> yup
[16:48] <rowlo> no errors
[16:48] <rowlo> screen stays black
[16:49] <BluesKaj> did you run a md5sum on the dvd ?
[16:49] <lordievader> rowlo: Perhaps it is an idea to use the 12.04 alternate cd.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> !md5sum
[16:50] <rowlo> ah, i was wondering why there is non for 12.10?
[16:50] <rowlo> the md5 was find
[16:50] <rowlo> fine
[16:50] <rowlo> the alternate only exists for 12.04?
[16:50] <palasso> for 12.04 or previous versions
[16:51] <lordievader> rowlo: Yes, since 12.10 there is no longer an alternate cd.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> that's really unfortunate , because I could use one
[16:53] <BluesKaj> install 12.04 , rowlo , then , sudo do-release-upgrade to install 12.10 , make the upgrade to LTS only is turned off im muon
[16:53] <BluesKaj> make sure
[16:56] <rowlo> ok, will try that
[16:56] <BluesKaj> if ubiquity has hardware recognition issues , then they have leaked back into other versions from the 13.04 bug , haven't seen that on 12.10
[16:57] <BluesKaj> before
[16:57] <rowlo> just double checked the md5, it's definitly ok
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:57] <rowlo> well, i tried the linux mint live cd, which has a non quiete mode
[16:58] <rowlo> there I could observe same freeze but could actually see where
[16:58] <rowlo> booting froze after detection of my usb razer imperator mouse
[16:58] <rowlo> so i unplugged it and booted again
[16:59] <rowlo> then it frooze after setting up the RTC
[16:59] <rowlo> so it seems more like a general linux issue to me
[16:59] <BluesKaj> yeah mine froze after detecting my wireless KB and mouse , thenI tried with a wired KB and mouse , but it still froze at the same spot
[16:59] <Torch> maybe booting with "nomodeset" helps?
[17:01] <rowlo> torch: thx, will try that
[17:01] <BluesKaj> rowlo, , Torch has a point try the F key options at the install & try kubuntu page
[17:02] <rowlo> well tried the acpi stuff and one or two other options, but not the nomodeset
[17:03] <BluesKaj> I tried that but it still wouldn't install btw , it got me to the dvd kubuntu desktop but the instll process still froxe FYI
[17:03] <BluesKaj> froze
[17:05] <rowlo> I'm already wondering how I got the 10.10 installed
[17:05] <rowlo> my wife told this morning that I spent days until I made it ;-)
[17:06] <rowlo> unfortunatly I don't remember what the problem was back then and how I solved that
[17:08] <hundinderpfanne> hiho
[17:31] <SudoSudoSudoSu> I need an invite to  #wine
[17:33] <bazhang> SudoSudoSudoSu, its #winehq
[17:33] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Ah, thanks!
[17:33] <BluesKaj>  are you on a znc bouncer or is your nick isn't registered
[17:33] <BluesKaj> not registered that is
[17:34] <bstock> hello
[17:34] <BluesKaj> #wine should still connect him to #winehq
[17:35] <bazhang> nope
[17:35] <BluesKaj> it does for me
[17:35] <bazhang> if he's in #winehq , he'll get that message
[17:35] <bstock> I have a freshly-configured install of Kubuntu on a VM, and I can't get JDK 7 installed. openjdk-6-jdk is in the repository, but openjdk-7-jdk can't be found in any repository. I've already run an update, to no avail.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> bazhang, "BluesKaj #wine #winehq Forwarding to another channel"
[17:36] <bstock> I'm a competent Linux user, but new to *buntu, and I've been struggling with this for a couple of hours now!
[17:37] <bazhang> BluesKaj, I was in #winehq first, as was he, so we get the #wine need a channel invite when trying to join it subsequently
[17:37] <BluesKaj> bstock, have you tried kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:37] <bstock> Is that a repo?
[17:38] <palasso> bstock, if you want to look on what is on the repos a nice source is packages.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <BluesKaj> bazhang, must be his client not connecting
[17:38] <BluesKaj> bstock, no it's a package
[17:38] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:39] <BluesKaj> bstock,^
[17:39] <bstock> Ok, well I can see openjdk-7-jdk on the site palasso linked (packages.ubuntu.com) so why can't apt-get find it?
[17:39] <palasso> let me check
[17:39] <lordievader> bstock: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[17:40] <bstock> The latest, I think. I'll give you a version # in a second
[17:40] <BluesKaj> bstock, perhaps you have to enable the repositories needed in the package manager or in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:40] <bstock> 8.04.2
[17:41] <palasso> It's very old version that's why.....
[17:41] <bstock> uh oh, I must've downloaded an archive version instead...
[17:41] <BluesKaj> no longer support I'm afraid
[17:41] <palasso> It's from April 2008...
[17:41] <bstock> I don't know how that happened...
[17:42] <BluesKaj> the latest version 12.10
[17:42] <lordievader> bstock: Well there you go ;)
[17:42] <bstock> Ok, I see that now. I just downloaded the ISO yesterday...
[17:42] <bstock> ugh, I see now. My University's mirrors are horribly obsolete
[17:43] <palasso> bstock, the versions are YY.MM and releases are biannual every April and every October. That's why they're called 10.04, 10.10, 11.04, 11.10, 12.04, 12.10 and the next one will be 13.04
[17:43] <bstock> Thanks for the help, and sorry to bother you for such a silly issue.
[17:43] <BluesKaj> bstock, http://www.kubuntu.org/
[17:43] <palasso> Also every two years an LTS release gets released
[17:43] <palasso> 8.04, 10.04, 12.04 are LTS and 14.04 will be LTS
[17:43] <bstock> Yeah, getting 12.10 now. I really enjoy the 100 mbit Uni speeds on campus but sometimes it bites you in the arse like this with outdated version.
[17:43] <palasso> LTS stands for Long Term Support
[18:03] <13WAARNZL> Help!
[18:03] <13WAARNZL> I'm SUdoSudoSudoSu, but I'm suddenly 13WAARNZL!
[18:04] <13WAARNZL> WHat's going on?
[18:04] <13WAARNZL> Help!
[18:04] <lordievader> 13WAARNZL: You've changed your nick?
[18:04] <13WAARNZL> No.
[18:05] <13WAARNZL> I restarted Kubuntu, and got this Nick.
[18:05] <13WAARNZL> Out of nowhere.
[18:05] <lordievader> 13WAARNZL: Odd anyhow usually you can change your nick with "/nick <new-nick>"
[18:05] <arezey> 13WAARNZL, might have been due to some nickname collision
[18:05] <13WAARNZL> DOesn't work.
[18:06] <13WAARNZL> So.. How do I fix it?
[18:06] <arezey> sudosudosudosu: No such nick/channel
[18:06] <13WAARNZL> D:
[18:06] <arezey> bah..
[18:06] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Yay!
[18:06] <arezey> oh there
[18:06] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Finally!
[18:07] <arezey> i've seen a case like that before though
[18:07] <arezey> a ghost using the nick was on one server and wasn't on another
[18:07] <arezey> so it desynced a little
[18:07] <arezey> not on this network though
[18:40] <StephenS> lol Im on lubuntu
[18:40] <StephenS> LUBUNTU
[18:41] <bazhang> StephenS, try #lubuntu
[18:42] <StephenS> Im on ubuntu
[18:42] <StephenS> so whys that
[18:42] <StephenS> ping pong
[18:42] <BluesKaj> kubuntu uses the kde desktop , ubuntu uses unity/gnome
[18:42] <bazhang> StephenS, this channel is support only not chit chat
[18:43] <StephenS> what lubuntu use?
[18:43] <bazhang> lxde/openbox
[18:43] <bazhang> !lubuntu > StephenS
[20:35] <thechef> If you were to leave Ubuntu, because Canonical had incompatible plans, would you go for Debian directly?
[20:39] <bazhang> thechef, thats not on topic for a support channel
[20:39] <bazhang> thechef, #kubuntu-offtopic perhaps
[20:54] <thechef> sorry
[20:59] <heoyea> go windows
[21:34] <enrique> spanish
[21:37] <bazhang> !es | enrique
[22:02] <toString> hi
[22:03] <toString> is there a kubuntu live iso?
[22:03] <toString> i can't find it on the site
[22:05] <bazhang> on kubuntu.org ?
[22:06] <toString> yes
[22:06] <toString> but i probably got the answer
[22:06] <toString> ""The Desktop install CD image contains a graphical installer as well as a live session of Ubuntu, that runs directly off your computer memory and the install media without installing anything to hard-disk""
[22:06] <toString> from ubuntu.com faq
[22:07] <toString> it's the same for kubuntu, isn't it?
[22:11] <LeeJunFan> Are there libreoffice packages somewhere (PPA) that include the kde integration packages?
[22:11] <LeeJunFan> libreoffice 4.0.x that is.