[00:12] <Supermanintights> anyone know why my touchpad doesn't work with ubuntu?
[00:13] <Supermanintights> my mouse/mousebuttons work, but the touchpad/touchpad buttons don't work
[00:13] <Supermanintights> no response at all
[00:13] <penguin42> oh, you got it installed then :-)
[00:13] <Supermanintights> hey penguin42 - yes i did, finally, took a retarded amount of time, and no little help from the guys
[00:14] <penguin42> Supermanintights: is there a touchpad enable button on the keyboard anywhere?
[00:15] <Supermanintights> yup, checked - its enabled
[00:15] <Supermanintights> i tried toggling - no difference
[00:16] <penguin42> Supermanintights: In /sys/class/input do you see a mouse0 or mouse1 ? (and do you have a physical mouse plugged in)
[00:20] <penguin42> upermanintights: In /sys/class/input do you see a mouse0 or mouse1 ? (and do you have a physical mouse plugged in)
[00:20] <Supermanintights> do i type that in terminal penguin42 ?
[00:20] <penguin42> Supermanintights: /sys/class/input is a magic directory - cd into it and see what's there
[00:21] <MiLLo> cd'd in
[00:21] <MiLLo> (it's supe)
[00:21] <MiLLo> how do i list contents?
[00:22] <penguin42> ls
[00:24] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/788447/
[00:24] <Supermanintights> and i have a mouse plugged in via USB
[00:26]  * penguin42 worries that according to google one of the search trends is for 'Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine' - I don't know what that is but it doesn't sound good
[00:27] <MiLLo> any ideas penguin then?
[00:27] <penguin42> MiLLo: Well, it sees two mice - that's good
[00:28] <penguin42> MiLLo: What does    cat /sys/class/input/mouse0/name    say (and ditto for mouse1)
[00:28] <MiLLo> so i just type that in term/
[00:28] <penguin42> nod
[00:29] <MiLLo> no such file or directory
[00:29] <penguin42> sorry, cat /sys/class/input/mouse0/device/name   I forgot device
[00:30] <MiLLo> mouse0 = logitech usb gaming mouse (impressive)
[00:30] <MiLLo> SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad
[00:31] <penguin42> good, it know there is a touchpad
[00:32] <penguin42> MiLLo: Tried system settings->Mouse & touchpad?
[00:33] <MiLLo> 2 options
[00:33] <MiLLo> disable touchpad while typing, enable mouse clicks with touchpad
[00:33] <MiLLo> both selected - i've just unticked first option - still not working
[00:34] <penguin42> hmph
[00:34] <penguin42> MiLLo: Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.og ?
[00:36] <MiLLo> how do i open in terminal?
[00:38] <penguin42> MiLLo: If you do     pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log   it should give you a URL (if you have pastebinit installed)
[00:40] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/788456/
[00:42]  * penguin42 compares with his
[00:44] <penguin42> Supermanintights: That all looks sane as far as the touchpad goes - can't see anything wrong
[00:44] <penguin42> wth - 'Logitech USB Gaming Mouse: Found 20 mouse buttons' - 20 buttons?!
[00:44] <MiLLo> hmm
[00:45]  * MiLLo checks out his mouse
[00:45] <MiLLo> fair enough...
[00:45] <MiLLo> love to know where, but ok
[00:45] <penguin42> MiLLo: Scroll wheels count for 2 in each direction
[00:47] <penguin42> MiLLo: So, in short I don't know - X certainly sees the touchpad is there
[00:47] <MiLLo> ah
[00:48] <penguin42> and it looks very similar in the logs to mine
[00:50] <penguin42> hmm seems to be the year for ancient celebrities to get gongs; Stuart Hall and Ronnie Corbet
[02:02] <MiLLo> anyone there?
[02:02] <Azelphur> !anyone | MiLLo
[02:03] <MiLLo> meh, it'd gone that quiet last hour or two, but fair point
[02:03] <Azelphur> hehe :p
[02:03] <Azelphur> people are usually lurking
[02:03] <MiLLo> my battry's not charging - and it mainstains power when plugged in, but says it's critical/1 minute left soon as i unplug
[02:03] <Azelphur> it is quite late though, not many people about at 2am
[02:03] <MiLLo> what gives?
[02:03] <Azelphur> MiLLo: Either Ubuntu isn't reading the battery correctly or your batteries busted :p
[02:04] <MiLLo> battery was fine before ubuntu
[02:04] <MiLLo> i'll blame ubuntu
[02:04] <MiLLo> :P
[02:04] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:04] <MiLLo> what's best recommendation to find out more - bug people in here to tell me what to do? or is there a ubuntu forum/common issue/something?
[02:05] <MiLLo> i'm happy to ask on #ubuntu - i don't discriminate against non-brits
[02:05] <Azelphur> there's a Ubuntu forum, try asking here in the daytime when people are here, if you can try in another OS to see if it has the same issue that would be cool too :P
[02:05] <MiLLo> ok, i'll wait for someone to finish reminiscing with me
[02:06] <MiLLo> then i'll check windows
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm now seeing the non-updating terminals as well
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you file a bug I can subscribe to? :)
[09:38] <AlanBell> czajkowski: danfish: how does this groupon thing work?
[09:46] <jonsaint> hi all. does anyone know much about pidgin messenger? need help
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[09:47] <jonsaint> i got pidgin and it says i have no accounts enabled and i need to go to accounts>manage accounts, but the problem is, i only got this window and cant find where the hell accounts are!
[09:55] <jonsaint> ...
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> in the menu
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> at the top of the screen?
[10:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,.
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:33] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> http://rhodesbread.com/blog/blog/braided-spaghetti-bread
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> *drools*
[12:05] <DJones> Afternoon all
[12:06] <mattt> howzit djones?
[12:07] <DJones> Not bad thanks, you?
[12:07] <mattt> same, not too bad thanks
[12:20] <popey> MartijnVdS: i havent filed teh bug because I dont know if its a terminal thing or video driver thing
[12:20] <popey> MartijnVdS: if you feel like filing it, let me know! :D
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have it in the terminal when I do dmesg
[12:20] <jacobw> with screen?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> without screen
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> but I also seem to have weird Chrome problems
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> I'm starting to think either xorg-intel or compiz is b0rken
[12:32] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16367042
[12:36] <popey> MartijnVdS: i cant get it to do it now
[12:36] <popey> MartijnVdS: I'm sure it will later though, and I am on nvidia so that makes me think its a compiz/xdamage thing
[13:37] <Darael> So I've got a machine here which has two DVD drives, but neither of them appear to work and I don't have a blank CD anyway.  Problem is, my bootable USB stick doesn't work:  I can select it first in BIOS, or from the one-time boot menu, but I just get a screen with the text "Boot error", and if I hit enter it loads from the first hard disk.  Any ideas?
[13:39] <DJones> Darael: That sounds like there may have been a problem creating the usb stick, or maybe a corrupt download
[13:39] <DJones> Have you tried the usb stick  with another machine to check that it will boot on that
[13:39] <Darael> I've used it before on severalmachines.
[13:40] <Darael> Furthermore, I tried re-making it using UNetbootIn, and it still didn't work.
[13:40] <DJones> That would seem to rule that out as a problem then
[13:41] <jacobw> do you have a usb optical drive?
[13:41] <Darael> Not to hand.
[13:42] <Darael> FSVO to hand == in the same country, unfortunately.
[13:42] <DJones> Are there any more details about the boot error
[13:43] <Darael> Nothing.
[13:44] <DJones> I can't even think of a way of diagnosing that when there's no other error information
[13:47] <jacobw> if the usb drive boots in other systems it proves that it works
[13:48] <DJones> I'd  be tempted to try downloading another iso of something else, maybe knoppix or evenjust a gparted disk to test whether that will boot to try and rule out a problem with the usb port
[13:50] <Darael> It's an incredibly uninformative message, which is a right pain.
[13:51] <DJones> I'd  be tempted to try downloading another iso of something else, maybe knoppix or evenjust a gparted disk to test whether that will boot to try and rule out a problem with the usb port
[13:52] <jacobw> if it works in other systems before and after you tried it in the affected system i think you can reasonably sure it works
[13:53] <jacobw> how many hard drive bays does this system have? can you write the installer image to a spare hard drive, install the hard drive and boot the installer from it?
[13:53] <Darael> I'm reasonably sure the USB key isn't to blame, but I want to know if the BIOS is objecting for some strange reason or if there's very odd hardware causing an error.
[13:54] <Darael> If I was at home, I probably could.  Problem is, I'm kind of in rural India at the moment.
[13:54] <jacobw> ok :)
[13:54] <DJones> Its not something daft like the usb stick is 64 bit and you're booting a 32 bit machine, normally that does give a more informative message though
[13:55] <jacobw> what bios is it?
[13:57] <Darael> DJones: I'm using a 64-bit stick, and it's a Pentium D (which is 64-bit capable) so it /should/ be fine, but I tried making a 32-bit version just in case and still no joy.
[13:57] <Darael> jacobw: I'll have to reboot to check.  Back in a couple of minutes.
[14:01] <jacobw> ok
[14:05] <cocoa117> anyone know how to shutdown google chrome in ubuntu 11.10 unity. i am not talking about close the window, i mean shutdown chrome completely
[14:05] <cocoa117> the notification icon no longer exist to exit the chrome complete like the one in ubuntu 10.04 without using unity
[14:06] <cocoa117> anyway to get the notification icon back in 11.10?
[14:06] <penguin42> cocoa117: Do you have the spanner icon at the top right of the chrome window?
[14:07] <cocoa117> penguin42, yes i do
[14:07] <cocoa117> oh, using exit!!! damn it
[14:07] <penguin42> :-)
[14:08] <cocoa117> penguin42: thanx, :)
[14:08] <penguin42> np
[14:08] <Darael> Right.  The boot splash shows an Intel logo, and the BIOS version is given (in the configurator) as TS94610J.86A.0047.2006.0911.1001
[14:09] <Darael> Ahem.  0110, at the end, actually.  But still.
[14:09] <penguin42> Darael: How did you write the USB stick, and what version of Ubuntu are you trying to boot?
[14:10] <Darael> penguin42: Initially the USB creator, later recreated with unetbootin.  Oneiric.
[14:11] <penguin42> Darael: If I remember correctly, Oneiric now lets you do it using a more basic way using dd
[14:12] <Darael> Ah.  Google turns up something about that BIOS assuming everyone runs Windows and refusing to load a partition bithout a boot flag.  I think I'll fire up the Disk Management tool and set one, see if that works.
[14:12] <penguin42> Darael: What make is the machine/motherboard?
[14:16] <Darael> penguin42: The machine, according to the computer properties dialog, is made by RP INFOTECH, T.V.R (whoever they are), and The Internet says that BIOS only shows up on Intel Desktop Boards.
[14:19] <penguin42> OK, yeh I've come across boards that need the boot flag - but I'd be surprised that the standard image doesn't have it
[14:20] <Darael> Well, setting it would be nothing to do with the image - not that it's be any less surprising for the standard /tools/ not to set it.
[14:21] <Darael> However, I can't work out how to even see if it's set from within Windows, and without boot media or another machine, Windows is all I've got.
[14:21] <penguin42> on oneiric you can actually splat the image straight onto the drive with dd
[14:23] <Darael> ...but I don't have access to dd; I've only got this one machine and it's Windows-bound right now.
[14:24] <penguin42> ah ok
[14:25] <Darael> The boot flag isn't the issue, though :(
[14:25] <Darael> It appears to be set.
[14:27] <penguin42> Darael: Is it possible it's too old to boot off USB?
[14:28] <Darael> Considering the BIOS has options related to USB booting, including the option to always do so if possible, I'd say no.
[14:28] <Darael> Hmm, I note that Intel's Download Center has a BIOS Update TS94610J.86A.0087.blah - I wonder if the difference (form blah.0047.blah) contains a relevant fix... maybe worth a try?
[14:29]  * Darael reads the release notes
[14:30]  * Darael considers that perhaps forty BIOS versions is an update that's worthwhile /anyway/.
[14:33] <Darael> I'm going to try it.  Back... when I'm back.
[14:34] <penguin42> good luck!
[14:41] <Darael> Right, well, on the one hand updating the BIOS made no difference, but on the other, INSPIRATION!  Chainload off the Windows bootloader.
[14:42] <popey> Afternoon all
[14:42] <mattt> howzit popey
[14:42] <Darael> Arternoon, popey.
[14:44] <directhex> i've chainloaded off ntldr before
[14:45] <directhex> i don't think it will boot non-windows partition headers directly, but it *will* boot a bootloader from a file on a fat32/ntfs partition
[14:45] <Darael> Dunno if I can persuade it to work with the partition in question on an external drive, but hey, it must be worth a try, right?
[14:46] <penguin42> Darael: I'd also see if you can try one of the simple grub boot disk images
[14:46] <Darael> directhex: Since I'm trying to get U install media going (no balnk CDs and the optical drives hate me anyway, weird BIOS (I think) problem with USB boot), that should be workable.  Right?
[14:47] <Darael> penguin42: Good plan.
[14:47] <monsterwizard> I'm considering learning more asm
[14:47] <penguin42> Darael: Also, your two DVD drives - what controlers are they plugged into, and your USB is there more than one controller to try?
[14:47] <penguin42> monsterwizard: Go for it - it's fun
[14:48] <monsterwizard> not sure what  I should use
[14:48] <monsterwizard> I want to learn more asm86
[14:48] <popey> why?
[14:48] <monsterwizard> I've been usung the ___asm directive
[14:49] <jacobw> http://diveintopython3.ep.io/
[14:49] <Darael> penguin42: I haven't actually opened this thing up yes, so I can't answer the former (but I'd have to get blank media even if I could persuade them to work properly), but as for the latter:  The other USB port on the front panel seems to be fried, and I've yet to look at the back.
[14:49] <penguin42> Darael: Might be worth trying other ports; it's possible it has more than one controller and it doesn't like booting off one
[14:50] <Darael> penguin42: Indeed, thanks for the reminder.
[14:51]  * Darael tries Unetbootin-ing a Super Grub Disk.
[14:52] <penguin42> Darael: If all else fails you could try netbooting
[14:53] <Darael> Netbooting from /what/?!  Surely I'd need either something bootable with a netinst image or another machine.
[14:54] <penguin42> oh yeh - forgot about that :-)
[14:56] <Darael> Frankly, to save on downloads, I'm only going to be booting mini.iso anyway.
[14:56] <penguin42> nod
[14:56] <penguin42> if you can get ANYTHING to boot your better off than at the moment
[14:57] <Darael> Quite.
[14:57]  * Darael does the reboot-test dance again
[15:25] <jea> Can anyone recommend an application, service or suite of software designed for the purpose of backing up large quantities of files over the internet (or LAN) ? I already have the server HW and SW setup.
[15:36] <jacobw> rsync :(
[15:36] <penguin42> why :-( at rsync?
[15:39] <jacobw> not :( at rsync, :( at 'jea' leaving before an answer
[15:40] <penguin42> ah, yes
[15:40] <DJones> jacobw: YOu should know, a fair percentage of IRC users only have an attention span of 1 minute
[15:46] <jacobw> this is true
[15:47] <popey> ooh look a shiny thing!
[15:48]  * jacobw looks
[15:49] <mikeatvillage> :-)
[15:50] <DJones> popey: That'll be the original iPhone http://9.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/640iphone2.jpg :)
[15:54] <popey> hehe
[15:55] <jacobw> jea: rsync
[15:58] <popey> yeah, rsync / rsnapshot / rdiff-backup
[15:59] <penguin42> possibly bacula?
[15:59] <jacobw> backuppc > bacula
[16:00]  * penguin42 notes we haven't seen Darael for ~an hour - that doesn't bode well for his bios upgrade
[16:01] <jacobw> backuppc runs scheduled rsyncs for files on hosts and does good deduplication
[16:04] <jacobw> penguin42: perhaps he gave up
[16:15] <jonsaint> hi all. i have just took some stuff off a memory card and then deleted all items out the recycle bin but when i go to add more items to the card its telling me i dont have enough space.
[16:16] <popey> open nautilus and browse the card, press CTRL+H to view hidden files
[16:16] <popey> there's probably a .Trash folder with stuff in
[16:17] <popey> or right click and eject the device, it may prompt to empty the trash
[16:17] <jonsaint> is nautilus already on my pc or is it something i need to get from software centre?
[16:17] <penguin42> it's normally already there
[16:17] <popey> its the file browser
[16:17] <jonsaint> cant find it
[16:17] <popey> cant find what?
[16:17] <popey> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[16:18] <jonsaint> nautilus
[16:18] <popey> its the file manager installed by default on ubuntu
[16:18] <jonsaint> 11.10
[16:19] <ali1234> popey: if yu type "nautilus" into the dash, it doesn't come up with anything called "nautilus"
[16:19] <popey> press Windows-key and F
[16:19] <popey> nice
[16:19] <zleap> hello
[16:19] <ali1234> it does show file manager
[16:19] <ali1234> but if the person is looking for nautlius they won't understand
[16:19] <popey> gotcha
[16:19] <brobostigon> or alt + f2, type in nautilus, then press enter.
[16:20] <popey> Win+F is all they need
[16:20] <brobostigon> ok.
[16:20] <penguin42> or click the Home folder icon
[16:20] <zleap> ohh cool
[16:20] <ali1234> penguin42: middle click it, you mean
[16:20] <penguin42> ali1234: I don't seem to need to
[16:21] <jonsaint> ok i clicked on nautilus and then clicked on the mem card but even then its showing as empty
[16:21] <popey> jonsaint: press Ctrl+H to show hidden files
[16:21] <ali1234> if you left click it, the person might well be whisked away to another virtual desktop, thus losing their irc client
[16:21] <ali1234> or it might just do nothing
[16:21] <popey> jonsaint: in the root directory of the memory card look for .Trash
[16:22] <ali1234> or it might just draw a bunch of white rectangles on the screen
[16:22]  * penguin42 tickles monsterwizard
[16:22] <monsterwizard> haha
[16:22]  * monsterwizard gets scared
[16:23] <ali1234> this morning when i turned my computer on and left clicked the firefox icon on the launcher, i got 15 white rectangles and one firefox window that was already visible
[16:23] <jonsaint> popey,  its got a trash in there but it wont let me delete
[16:24] <popey> i thought that when you click eject it offered to empty trash on the device?
[16:24] <popey> or am I imagining that?
[16:25] <ali1234> i've never seen that
[16:25] <ali1234> but then, i don't use the recycle bin
[16:25] <ali1234> sometimes i use it accidentally :/
[16:26] <zleap> yeah i get that it depends if you eject or safely remove
[16:27] <jonsaint> popey, i went in the trash folder and theres 3 folders in there, all with padlocks on
[16:29] <jonsaint> i went in the trash folder but theres 3 folders in there all with padlocks on
[16:30] <zleap> Joeb454, that seems to suggest you may havedeleed the files as a different user,
[16:30] <zleap> deleted
[16:30] <jonsaint> anyone got any ideas?
[16:31] <ali1234> jonsaint: don't rely on silly GUIs, check all the permissions by hand with the terminal
[16:31] <zleap> not sure on the proper way to ffix it properly
[16:31] <jonsaint> ali1234, im not very good with ubuntu, still learning so aint got a clue where to go lol
[16:34] <jonsaint> drat. i think i just killed my card lol
[16:36] <daubers> Afternoon
[16:50] <SuperEngineer> o/
[16:57] <Supermanintights> anyone got any FTP recommendations for ubuntu?
[16:57] <swat_> afternoon all
[16:57] <swat_> anyone in brighton?
[16:57] <Supermanintights> i know of filezilla - wondered if people have any other recommendations
[17:04]  * zleap uses filezilla
[17:04]  * popey doesnt use ftp
[17:05] <gordonjcp> ftp recommendations?
[17:05] <gordonjcp> yeah
[17:05] <gordonjcp> never, ever use ftp
[17:06] <gordonjcp> if you see a server with ftp running, it's been 0wned
[17:07] <jacobw> vsftpd
[17:08] <gordonjcp> Supermanintights: use sftp if you are going to use anything
[17:31] <Supermanintights> sorry - forgot about this - why not use ftp? i work with websites so need to access ftp to amend site files
[17:32] <gordonjcp> Supermanintights: because it is entirely insecure
[17:33] <jacobw> most sites are probably using sftp
[17:34] <gordonjcp> yup
[17:34] <gordonjcp> which doesn't require you to open a server port on your local machine, or transmit your password in cleartext, or give people the ability to execute arbitrary binaries on your server
[17:35] <Supermanintights> how can i check?
[17:37] <popey> uhm
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> At last ... back on Lynx LTS. [hugs Lynx].  Just given up on my "I *will* get to love Unity* trip - sad to say - imho- fail for now but *does* show promise... will wait for 12.04 & try again methinks.
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> [& thjat is *not* a whinge
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> summary... I pity the poor devs - suspect they were under too much time-scale pressure
[18:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] bzr+MQTT=Win \o/ - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/12/31/bzrmqttwin-o/
[18:25] <mgdm> What do folk use for keeping passwords? I'm aware of 1password, keepass, etc - anyone got a preference?
[18:26] <brobostigon> i use my own memory.
[18:26] <jacobw> gpg.vim
[18:27] <christel> yeah, i tend to rely on the old brain too
[18:27] <brobostigon> works fine here.
[18:27] <mgdm> I do for the most part, but I'm considering m yoptions :)
[18:27] <brobostigon> no serious deterioration yet.
[18:28] <Supermanintights> 1password wasn't bad
[18:28] <DJones> I'd go with brain power as well, but I only have about a dozen to remember, if I had a 100 or so, that'd need something to record them in
[18:28] <jacobw> what'll happnen if you get hit by bus?
[18:29] <mgdm> I'll have bigger things to worry about
[18:29] <christel> jacobw: well, if my memory disappears i suspect i'll have forgotten what i needed the passwords for too ;)
[18:30] <DJones> jacobw: Possibly the bus will be broken after hitting me :)
[18:54] <Supermanintights> hey guys
[18:54] <Supermanintights> i've done a dual boot of win7/ubuntu
[18:55] <Supermanintights> and i've got approx 400gb of free space which i wanted to have as NTFS - for media/storage that links between the 2 OS
[18:55] <Supermanintights> however I've formatted just with Gparted as NTFS
[18:55] <Supermanintights> Ubuntu won't see it in the file system?
[18:56] <Supermanintights> any ideas how i can get this to work?
[19:04] <mattt> that was weird
[19:05] <mattt> after running my bebox for 2 years, it just started acting really weird -- random reboots, and hell of a slow
[19:05] <mattt> upgrade firmware, everything's back to normal :/
[19:05] <jacobw> Supermanintights: you need to add it to fstab
[19:06] <jacobw> !fstab
[19:06] <Supermanintights> great thanks
[19:06] <Supermanintights> !partitions
[19:06] <jacobw> before that
[19:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Beer bread bakin' - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/12/beer-bread/
[19:07] <jacobw> do `sudo fdisk -l` to find which device file it is and try to mount it
[19:08] <jacobw> !mount
[19:09] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789071/
[19:09] <Supermanintights> not sure it's even showing :s
[19:09] <Supermanintights> under gparted
[19:09] <Supermanintights> it just says - "New Partition #1"
[19:10] <Supermanintights> in gparted - the first sector starts directly after the last sector showing in that pastebin
[19:12] <Supermanintights> any idea where i've gone wrong?
[19:22] <jacobw> Supermanintights: what the pastebin url?
[19:23] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789071/
[19:23] <Supermanintights> http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2561/devsdagparted003.png
[19:23] <Supermanintights> that's what gparted looks like
[19:25] <jacobw> apply ;)
[19:25] <Supermanintights> fml
[19:25] <Supermanintights> thanks
[19:25] <jacobw> it isn't obvious
[19:25] <Supermanintights> that's embarassing
[19:26] <Supermanintights> well
[19:26] <Supermanintights> i'll never forget that in future
[19:26] <jacobw> nah, `rm -dfR /` is embarassing
[19:26]  * Supermanintights really hopes that shouldn't mean something to him
[19:27] <Supermanintights> ok, media and storage is showing under devices
[19:27] <Supermanintights> nothing happen when i double click/try to mount it
[19:27] <Supermanintights> so i need to do that fstab right?
[19:30] <jacobw> ok, run `sudo fdisk -l` and see what device file it is, /dev/sdaX
[19:31] <Supermanintights> 3
[19:32] <daubers> \o/ starship troopers
[19:34] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789090/ - that's the new fdisk - l jacobw
[19:35] <jacobw> !ntfs
[19:35] <jacobw> !ntfs-3g
[19:36] <Supermanintights> whoever wrote lubotu3 - wow
[19:40] <jacobw> try using ntfs-config
[19:40] <Supermanintights> going through it now
[19:40] <Supermanintights> hopefully it works
[19:41]  * jacobw wonders who can add factoids to lubotu3
[19:41] <Supermanintights> !add
[19:42] <jacobw> !blame is popey
[19:42] <jacobw> !blame
[19:42] <jacobw> nope :p
[19:42] <Supermanintights> !add blame
[19:42] <Supermanintights> screw it
[19:46] <AlanBell> !botabuse
[19:47] <DJones> jacobw: Any bot add requests get forwarded to the bot managers/ops
[19:47] <christel> hehe
[19:48] <jacobw> i'm confident that'll be approved
[19:50] <DJones> jacobw: On the other hand...I thought there was an agreement with freenode staff that rejected factoid suggestions result in an automatic kline
[19:50] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789103/
[19:51] <Supermanintights> has it worked :S
[19:51] <jacobw> haha
[19:51] <jacobw> i've been klined before, its an unhappy state
[19:52] <jacobw> Supermanintights: is there a window?
[19:53] <Supermanintights> a new one?
[19:53] <Supermanintights> don't think so :S
[19:53] <Supermanintights> there's no change since i ran that command in terminal
[19:53] <jacobw> nevermind ntfs-config
[19:55] <jacobw> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[19:56] <Supermanintights> done
[19:56] <Supermanintights> apparently already installed, but done
[19:57] <jacobw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#Manual_Configuration
[19:58] <Supermanintights> :s
[19:59] <Supermanintights> ok, lets do this
[19:59] <jacobw> adding the line to fstab is all you need to do
[20:00] <jacobw> most people use command line text editors for editting configuration files, like nano or vi
[20:04] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Be careful when editing fstab - if you screw it up it may become unbootable
[20:04] <Supermanintights> :(
[20:05] <Supermanintights> way to fill me with supreme confidence penguin42  :P
[20:05] <jacobw> just add to the end of it
[20:05] <Supermanintights> you've seen my luck in all of this so far
[20:05] <jacobw> don't delete anything that's already there
[20:05] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Always good to have boot media available so you can unscrew it
[20:06] <Supermanintights> there's a usb boot stick somewhere available
[20:06] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:06] <jacobw> `cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.orig`
[20:06] <DJones> don't forget the sudo with that command
[20:07] <jacobw> if there's a problem you can overwrite /etc/fstab with /etc/fstab.orig and be at the post install state
[20:07] <Supermanintights> right
[20:07] <Supermanintights> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.orig
[20:07] <Supermanintights> gksudo gedit /etc/fstab - ran that command (from website) and i got a gedit window open
[20:07] <jacobw> that works
[20:08] <Supermanintights> so create a new line at the bottom
[20:08] <jacobw> gedit is just a text editor
[20:08] <jacobw> ok
[20:08] <Supermanintights> <your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g defaults,user,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0                                     =                    my thing is sda3
[20:08] <Supermanintights> do i put the full thing? or just sda3?
[20:09] <jacobw> paste the line from the wiki for your devices
[20:09] <Supermanintights> and what do i put under mountpoint
[20:09] <Supermanintights> /dev/sda3
[20:09] <Supermanintights> ?
[20:09] <jacobw> put /dev/sda3 at the start, and /mnt/storage as the mount point
[20:10] <Pernig> make sure you make a folder called /mnt/storage before you mount it, or it will complain
[20:10] <Supermanintights> /dev/sda3 /media/mnt/storage ntfs-3g defaults,user,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[20:10] <jacobw> /mnt/storage will actually have to exist, so `sudo mkdir /mnt/storage`
[20:10] <Supermanintights> done
[20:10] <Supermanintights> so
[20:10] <Supermanintights> that line above - i paste that at the bottom right?
[20:11] <penguin42> jacobw: Is all this needed these days - assuming you have ntfs-3g installed won't it get automounted at boot?
[20:13] <jacobw> afaik its only hotplug things that get automounted
[20:13] <Supermanintights> right, pasted and saved
[20:13] <jacobw> ok, `sudo mount -a`
[20:14] <Supermanintights> fuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/mnt/storage: No such file or directory
[20:14] <Supermanintights> weird
[20:14] <jacobw> /media/mnt/storage doesn't exist
[20:15] <Supermanintights> i did that mkdir code you gave me
[20:15] <Supermanintights> should i have done - sudo mkdir /media/mnt/storage
[20:15] <jacobw> change the line to read /mnt/storage not /media/mnt/storage
[20:15] <Supermanintights> ?
[20:15] <Supermanintights> oh
[20:16] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:16] <Supermanintights> done the mount -a thing
[20:16] <Supermanintights> and it's loaded another:-$
[20:17] <jacobw> ok
[20:17] <Supermanintights> and "Media And Storage" has disappeared from devices
[20:17] <Supermanintights> when i go to the folders
[20:17] <jacobw> ok, check /mnt/storage in the file browser
[20:17] <Supermanintights> empty
[20:17] <Supermanintights> although has 423gb freespace
[20:18] <jacobw> good
[20:20] <jacobw> you should be able use that partition from ubuntu and windows now
[20:20] <Supermanintights> great
[20:20] <Supermanintights> thanks very much
[20:20] <Supermanintights> you're a diamond
[20:20] <jacobw> hehe, thanks
[20:21] <Supermanintights> ok, now to download a few drivers into that storage folder for windows, check my battery works in windows, if it does - figure out why my battery won't work in ubuntu
[20:25] <jacobw> check that icon is set to always in gnome-power-manager general tab
[20:28] <Supermanintights> what icon?
[20:28] <Supermanintights> i can't find a general tab?
[20:29] <Supermanintights> according to power statistics - laptop battery charged to 100%
[20:29] <Supermanintights> but if i unplug
[20:29] <Supermanintights> get a message straight away saying critically low - then it suspends my machine
[20:30] <jacobw> ok
[20:33] <DJones> Supermanintights: http://askubuntu.com/questions/81680/system-shows-battery-critically-low
[20:33] <DJones> That suggests that there is a bug in the power management system
[20:34] <Supermanintights> thanks DJones - that's EXACTLY the problem i have
[20:36] <DJones> The link to launchpad suggests a possible workaround in the first bug report section
[20:37] <Supermanintights> gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/use_time_for_policy false
[20:37] <DJones> Yep that one
[20:37] <Supermanintights> do i type that in terminal then?
[20:37] <DJones> Thats how I read it
[20:38] <jacobw> yeah
[20:38] <zleap> hi jacobw
[20:38] <jacobw> hey :)
[20:39] <zleap> how are u
[20:39] <jacobw> good, waiting for new year :p
[20:39] <zleap> same here
[20:39] <zleap> its a bit wet where i am
[20:40] <Supermanintights> ok - it's just gone to the next terminal entry line when i did it
[20:40] <Supermanintights> should i restart - or just unplug and see what happens?
[20:40] <jacobw> unplug
[20:40] <Supermanintights> no message...
[20:40] <Supermanintights> wooooot - thanks :D
[20:40] <DJones> If you don't get an error message in the terminal, that will normally mean that a command has run without problems
[20:40] <jacobw> gconftool is like regedit
[21:04] <Supermanintights> !hfs
[21:07] <mattt> woot
[21:07] <mattt> what's everyone doing tonight
[21:07] <zleap> not much
[21:07] <mattt> same
[21:08]  * gordonjcp isn't doing much
[21:08] <DJones> watching tv & IRC plus drinking whisky
[21:09] <Supermanintights> stealing one of Azelphur 's monitors while he is distracted with NYE
[21:09] <christel> i think i have drunk my bodyweight in alcohol about 20 times over in december, so i am staying in, watching back to back dr who episodes and chillaxing!
[21:09] <christel> it's nice
[21:09] <mattt> DJones: which whisky?
[21:09] <Azelphur> You can never catch me when I'm distracted, I'm like a ninja
[21:09] <Azelphur> :P
[21:09] <DJones> mattt: Famous Grouse
[21:09] <Supermanintights> :P
[21:09] <jacobw> pirates > ninjas
[21:10] <mattt> DJones: that works
[21:10] <Supermanintights> i'm wondering
[21:10] <DJones> Azelphur: Would you notice if somebody nicked one monitor, surely it'd need to be a couple at least
[21:10] <daubers> DJones: Ewwwww grouse
[21:10] <Supermanintights> is it possible to install linux on my phone?
[21:10] <Azelphur> DJones: haha
[21:10] <Supermanintights> (galaxy note)
[21:10] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: yes, it has android on it?
[21:11] <jacobw> Supermanintights: the manufacturer probably did it for you
[21:11] <Supermanintights> linux is android?
[21:11] <Supermanintights> or vice versa
[21:11] <Azelphur> tada
[21:11] <mattt> christel: i need to watch dr who, don't think i've watched a single episode :P
[21:11] <Azelphur> android is Linux based
[21:11] <Supermanintights> i meant more ubuntu linux
[21:11] <DJones> Android is linux :)
[21:11] <Supermanintights> like turn it into a proper beast :P
[21:11] <christel> mattt: GASP
[21:11] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: I think you may be able to, but it's very complicated, very involved, and will require lots of effort :P
[21:12] <christel> mattt: come here now!
[21:12] <mattt> christel: i'll make that my new year's resolution :P
[21:12] <christel> good boy!
[21:13] <DJones> Supermanintights: But, in answer to your question http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1394709
[21:13] <Supermanintights> :D
[21:13] <Supermanintights> it's NYE
[21:13] <Supermanintights> i'm bored, unable to think of a decent film
[21:13] <Supermanintights> so i might as well try this
[21:13] <Supermanintights> it's a big enough screen that i might be able to get away with it
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> dont want to start umours - but are mattt & christel  in luvvy duv duvs?
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[21:14]  * mattt stares at SuperEngineer
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> double ;)
[21:15] <mattt> weirdo :)
[21:15] <SuperEngineer> & happy nnew year
[21:16] <christel> haha
[21:19] <DJones> Damm. Music on TV makes me want to play Manic Miner
[21:20] <zleap> yay 8 bit classic
[21:21] <DJones> :)
[21:21] <zleap> i downloaded head over heels the other day
[21:21] <zleap> linux version
[21:21] <DJones> Can't say I've heard of that
[21:22] <zleap> well i can remember similar games,
[21:25] <SuperEngineer> was Manic Miner a life game about Arthur Scargill?
[21:25] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: no
[21:25] <zleap> no you had to go colect stuff
[21:25] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: Wanted: Monty Mole was
[21:25] <SuperEngineer> oh well..
[21:25] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: jeez you should know better than to ask stuff like that
[21:25] <zleap> manin miner i think was the prequel to jet set willy
[21:26] <SuperEngineer> ah... jet set willy ... the life game all about Jeremy Clarkson!?
[21:27] <zleap> look it up on worldofspectrum
[21:27] <zleap> SuperEngineer, these games were circa 1982-84
[21:27] <DJones> SuperEngineer: No, the life game about Jeremy Clarkson was called Lemmings :)
[21:29] <SuperEngineer> DJones,   - now - at last - someone else is on the same wavelength ;)
[21:30] <zleap> :)
[21:30] <zleap> the speccy had lots of cool games
[21:31] <zleap> i played rebelstar 2 and chaos battle of wizards a lot
[21:32] <gordonjcp> Chaos was brilliant
[21:32] <zleap> yeah
[21:32] <DJones> Heh http://www.darnkitty.com/manic/
[21:33] <zleap> simple but fun, how better way to defeat the enemy than with a carefully placed gooey blob
[21:35] <gordonjcp> man
[21:35] <gordonjcp> there needs to be a massively multiplayer online Chaos
[21:35] <zleap> yeah
[21:35] <zleap> or an andriod version
[21:35] <zleap> the fact it was simple was the key thing
[21:36] <zleap> ok make graphics better but apart from that keep the principal the same
[21:39] <gordonjcp> yup
[21:39] <zleap> i know there are a few ports out there
[21:39] <zleap>  but none seem to capture the original in the same way
[21:40] <daubers> popey, AlanBell: I ordered that book from waterstones in the end
[21:40] <daubers> shall see if it arrives or not :)
[21:41] <greg-g> tonytiger: quick photo related question: Do you have any recommendations for managing large photo collections that are on an external/not always connected harddrive? eg: I don't want to have the program remove photos from its known database when I start it without the hd attached, nor rescan the hd when it is reattached. I see shotwell can do multiple libraries, but that seems hackish: http://yorba.org/shotwell/help/other-multiple.html
[21:41] <greg-g> whoa, long question, my bad :)
[21:41] <greg-g> that's what I get for stopping mid-way through and finishing it 5 minutes later
[21:45] <ali1234> zleap: both those games made by the same two people
[21:45] <ali1234> rebelstar and chaos that is
[21:45] <zleap> yeah
[21:45] <zleap> well chaos was by jui
[21:45] <zleap> julian some thing
[21:45] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Gollop
[21:46] <zleap> yeah
[21:46] <zleap> did he do rebelstar too
[21:46] <ali1234> yeah
[21:46] <zleap> ah
[21:46] <ali1234> and his brother
[21:46] <ali1234> all their games are top quality
[21:46] <zleap> yep
[21:47] <zleap> lets hope this raspberry pi creates more talented people
[21:47] <zleap> or produces some good talent
[21:47] <Supermanintights> probably not right channel - but no one is around right now on #windows ---  i'm getting drivers for my laptop - from this link http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/home.jsp - now my laptop is toshiba satellite a500-17x, but there's an extra line of model identity when i try to find the right one - STXXXX - nothing like that is showing on my laptop (i.e. underneath on the sticker) - any suggesti
[21:47] <Supermanintights> ons?
[21:48] <zleap> ons ?
[21:48] <Supermanintights> suggestions :P
[21:49] <zleap> not sure
[21:49] <Supermanintights> is there any terminal command to see say model number of a pc/laptop?
[21:49] <zleap> did ur laptop not come with a cd
[21:50] <Supermanintights> nope
[21:50] <zleap> ok in linux you can do lshw
[21:50] <zleap> lsusb etc
[21:50] <penguin42> Supermanintights: dmidecode can often give that info
[21:50] <zleap> to get info on hardware
[21:50] <penguin42> Supermanintights: It depends if the manufacturer bothered filling in the detail though
[21:51] <penguin42> Supermanintights: If you do   sudo dmidecode|more    and scroll down to System Information
[21:51] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789200/
[21:52] <Supermanintights> meh
[21:53] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Ah well there you go a Tosh Satellite A500  <---- machine is a Tosh Equium A100
[21:53] <Supermanintights> yeah i know that bit
[21:54] <Supermanintights> http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/home.jsp
[21:54] <Supermanintights> when you browse to a500
[21:54] <Supermanintights> it's got a load of versions - that i can't see anything related to either in system information or physically on the sticker underneath my laptop
[21:54] <penguin42> Supermanintights: The guys who did your model bothered to fill more in properly; mine claims to have 18 power cords and be nearly 8' tall
[21:55]  * Supermanintights sniggers
[21:58] <Supermanintights> this is irritating
[21:58] <Supermanintights> are the drivers likely to be vastly different so that it would have a noticeable effect?
[21:59] <ali1234> toshiba has an annoying habit of making it very difficult to download drivers
[21:59] <Supermanintights> (the answer is probably yes, i'm really hoping someone tells me no)
[21:59] <ali1234> if you get the wrong ones, they probably won't even install
[21:59] <Supermanintights> no where on the laptop, toshiba's a500 webpage or anything does it show the ST5/ST6XXXX that it's showing as drivers
[22:00] <Supermanintights> i don't even know what it could relate to - then i could try and narrow it down or something
[22:00] <penguin42> driver for what exactly?
[22:00] <Supermanintights> everything
[22:01] <Supermanintights> WIFI, sound, gfx etc.
[22:01] <Supermanintights> touchpad
[22:01] <penguin42> oh they don't normally specify stuff like that on manufacturers sites
[22:01] <penguin42> Supermanintights: lshw gives you most info
[22:02] <Supermanintights> running that now
[22:02] <penguin42> bbl
[22:04] <SuperEngineer> gotta go now... happy new year to all Ubuntu-UK
[22:04] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789208/
[22:04] <Supermanintights> HNY! have fun
[22:05] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[22:17] <Supermanintights> anyone have any experience with these? http://www.do-download.com/System/Backup-Restore/Toshiba-Satellite-244548.html
[22:19] <jacobw> clonezilla
[22:20] <Azelphur> christel: don't suppose your available to come remove some spammers from #android? seems there's no ops about and they are just flooding the channel :)
[22:23] <christel> oh for you...
[22:23] <christel> who am i looking for
[22:23] <Azelphur> christel: seems to have stopped for a second, darrenc1888 mainly
[22:24] <christel> ok i will keep an eye
[22:24] <Azelphur> basically this: http://pastebin.com/6Y5x5Tw9
[22:25] <Supermanintights> jacobw, how would i use clonezilla to help me at this point?
[22:26] <Supermanintights> i can see it being great once i have all drivers etc.
[22:26] <Supermanintights> but right now it won't help me right?
[22:26] <jacobw> your right
[22:27] <jacobw> just use ubuntu :)
[22:28] <Supermanintights> i neeeeeeeeed windows (no hate)
[22:29] <hamitron> can't you install windows then use that disk, as it says?
[22:29] <Supermanintights> they're trying to charge me £9 for it - even the downloadf
[22:29] <Supermanintights> unless it's from an official source - i don't want to pay for something to use it
[22:29] <jacobw> intall windows in a virtual machine
[22:30] <Supermanintights> won't i still have the same problem?  i've spent nearly 12 hours configuring this dualboot - i'm not changing that now!
[22:31] <jacobw> what is the problem?
[22:32] <Supermanintights> i've fixed it :D
[22:32] <zleap> cool
[22:32] <Supermanintights> turns out i was on the US version of toshiba
[22:32] <Supermanintights> i found the europe one - and it's got me all the drivers i needed
[22:32] <zleap> Supermanintights, make notes on how u fixed it for next time
[22:32] <Supermanintights> ^^
[22:32] <jacobw> personal wiki is cool
[22:32] <Supermanintights> not heard of that
[22:33]  * Supermanintights googles
[22:33] <jacobw> 'personal wiki' is not a project, i mean install a wiki on your ubuntu installation or in a virtual machine and use it to keep track of technical projects
[22:34] <oimon1> it's NYE and i'm sticking android on my touchpad
[22:34] <oimon1> :D
[22:34] <hamitron> Supermanintights, beat me to it ;) http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/download_drivers_bios.jsp?service=UK&mode=allMachines&action=search&teddProduct=852&selShortMod=901
[22:34] <jacobw> i need to flash my htc desire hd with something that doesn't have sense ui
[22:34] <Supermanintights> thanks hamitron  - exactly what i was looking for, i knew i found it last time i went back to windows, and it was really irritating me then that i couldn't find it
[22:35] <Supermanintights> jacobw, how would i install a wiki on my ubuntu installation - i thought wiki was all online?
[22:35] <popey> Evening all.
[22:35] <hamitron> anything online, can be made locally
[22:35] <oimon1> jacobw: cyanogen FTW
[22:35] <hamitron> ;)
[22:35] <Supermanintights> hey popeye
[22:35] <DJones> Evening popey
[22:36] <jacobw> you can run a web server on your ubuntu installation that's only accessible to yourself and use what ever web things you like
[22:36] <Supermanintights> or even popey
[22:36] <Supermanintights> sweet - where can i get more info on that?
[22:36] <popey> spooky to see ali1234 mention Julian Gollup in the scroll back, been watching a video today of someone playing x-com
[22:37] <jacobw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MediaWiki
[22:37]  * popey used to play rebelstar raiders a lot as a kid
[22:37] <popey> i even started playing 2-player over email with a mate
[22:38] <oimon1> except my car stereo bluetooth no longer connects after putting cyanogen on my phone :(
[22:38] <jacobw> oimon1: i thinking about miui
[22:38] <oimon1> i tend to go for the most popular
[22:39] <oimon1> so that support is easier in case of issues
[22:39] <jacobw> i've used cyanogen before, i was happy with it
[22:39] <Supermanintights> thanks jacobw  -  installing it all now
[22:49] <jacobw> its impossible to remember all the decisions you made when something isn't working in a few months
[22:50] <oimon1> that's the biggest lesson i try to teach my staff jacobw
[22:52] <Supermanintights> Enable MediaWiki by editing the following file and remove the '#' from the third line so that it reads 'Alias /mediawiki /var/lib/mediawiki':
[22:52] <Supermanintights> sudo nano /etc/mediawiki/apache.conf
[22:53] <Supermanintights> how do i edit it and save it?
[22:53] <popey> ctrl x
[22:53] <popey> nano _is_ the editor
[22:53] <Supermanintights> thanks
[22:54] <oimon1> wow, already enjoying CM7 on this touchpad. methinks ICS will rock
[22:55] <directhex> weirdo
[22:55] <zleap> IC5
[22:57] <jacobw> five?
[23:02] <Supermanintights> is it not ICS - ice cream sandwich?
[23:12] <tonytiger> greg-g: other photo management software handles multiple libraries better than shotwell, but I would say that's the way to go.
[23:13] <Supermanintights> Move /var/lib/mediawiki/config/LocalSettings.php to /etc/mediawiki
[23:13] <Supermanintights> how can i do that via terminal?
[23:14] <jacobw> `cp`
[23:15] <Supermanintights> so.... cp /var/lib/mediawiki/config/LocalSettings.php  /etc/mediawiki
[23:15] <jacobw> yeah
[23:15] <Supermanintights> (with sudo at beginning)
[23:15] <Supermanintights> YES!  I'm beginning to learn terminalspeak
[23:15] <jacobw> the most important command is `man`
[23:16] <Supermanintights> :s what does that do?
[23:16] <Supermanintights> !man
[23:16] <jacobw> `man cp` will show the manual for `cp`
[23:16] <Supermanintights> excellent
[23:16] <Supermanintights> i never knew that
[23:16] <Supermanintights> this is all going into my wiki thing i've just set up
[23:16] <jacobw> `man mount` :p
[23:16] <Supermanintights> ;-)
[23:16] <Supermanintights> i get it
[23:16] <Supermanintights> :P
[23:17] <Supermanintights> !default browser
[23:21] <Supermanintights> is there external software for editing wikis?
[23:22] <jacobw> why?
[23:22] <popey> Supermanintights: whats the wiki for?
[23:22] <popey> your own personal notes?
[23:22] <Supermanintights> personal wiki
[23:22] <popey> i use tomboy for that
[23:22] <Supermanintights> it's irritating skipping between different tabs
[23:23] <popey> drag the tab out to a separate window?
[23:24] <Supermanintights> i could do that popey  -  just wondered if there were any external software that was good for editing them - with a nice visual tree for easy browsing/editing etc.
[23:24] <popey> well, as I say, I use tomboy for note taking
[23:31] <Supermanintights> how can i add a folder to the list of folders on the left pane in file browser?
[23:32] <jacobw> drag and dro
[23:32] <jacobw> p
[23:33] <Supermanintights> it's just dropping into one of the folders
[23:33] <penguin42> Supermanintights: I was going to suggest hit f10 and try setting a bookmark - it might appear there, not sure
[23:33] <jacobw> it is a view of bookmarks
[23:33] <Supermanintights> if i try the bookmark
[23:33] <Supermanintights> it shows in the pane - but i cant transfer files to it
[23:34] <Supermanintights> !move
[23:34] <Supermanintights> does cp just make a copy?
[23:34] <Supermanintights> or does it move it
[23:34] <jacobw> copies
[23:35] <penguin42> cp copies mv moves
[23:35] <Supermanintights> legend
[23:36] <popey> anyone here  on virgin media telly? BBC4 seems broken
[23:36] <Supermanintights> hmm
[23:36] <Supermanintights> i'm reading man mv
[23:37] <Supermanintights> but i'm not getting it - if i want to move all contents in /downloads to /mnt/storage
[23:37] <Supermanintights> do i do mv /downloads /mnt/storage -t
[23:37] <Supermanintights> ?
[23:37] <popey> mv downloads/* /mnt/storage
[23:38] <Supermanintights> is it not /downloads?
[23:38] <popey> dunno, where is your downloads folder?
[23:38] <Supermanintights> whereever it normally is?
[23:39] <jacobw> all your files are in /home/<user>
[23:39] <DJones> popey: It doesn't help, but BBC4 is ok on Sky
[23:39] <Supermanintights> ta
[23:39] <popey> probably mv ~/Downloads/* /mnt/storage
[23:39] <popey> would be better
[23:40] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789268/
[23:40] <popey> its case sensitive
[23:40] <popey> Downloads not downloads
[23:41] <Supermanintights> ah
[23:41] <Supermanintights> that's irritating
[23:41] <Supermanintights> thanks
[23:41] <popey> heh, yeah, you learn that one quickly ☺
[23:41] <popey> also, welcome to the community
[23:41] <Supermanintights> thanks
[23:41] <Supermanintights> i'm sorry for so many questions last few days
[23:41] <popey> seriously, don't worry about it
[23:41] <popey> its why we're here
[23:42] <popey> just don't be surprised if sometimes people don't gove you the direct answer, but more 'teach a man to fish' answers
[23:42] <jacobw> '/' is the top of the file systems, '/home/jacob/' is my home directory '~/' is the top my home directory, './' the current directory
[23:42] <Supermanintights> well - either way, you guys have all been great, really patient considering i've practically had my hand held for every step
[23:42] <penguin42> Supermanintights: How did you get the thing to install in the end?
[23:42] <popey> yeah, this channel has a good bunch of ppl
[23:43] <Supermanintights> i don't mind researching stuff - i just tend to get confused on certain steps - like when it tells me to edit something  -  i don't know how to save etc.
[23:43] <Supermanintights> penguin42, Ubuntu?
[23:43] <penguin42> nod
[23:44] <Supermanintights> well you put me on the right path with telling me about GPT - MartijnVdS told me the bedtime story on GPT and it's history, then a few people tried helping me to change it from GPT to MBR - no luck, eventually I just played about in Gparted, and somehow managed to change it to MBR - total lucked out with it, but it worked
[23:44] <penguin42> ah ok
[23:44] <Supermanintights> then jacobw was a diamond in helping me prepare the harddrive partitions to do what i wanted it to do
[23:45] <Supermanintights> no idea if Windows will read the partition - i'm downloading the drivers now, then we'll see when i go into it
[23:45] <Supermanintights> (what a way to spend NYE)
[23:45] <penguin42> I'd hope there is a bug somewhere about Ubuntu not installing on GPT properly - it really should and GPT is becoming much more common
[23:45] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Oh, you think that's an odd way to spend NYE?
[23:45] <popey> NTFS is probably the easiest filesystem to use cross windows/nt
[23:46] <penguin42> sounds perfectly normal for me :-)
[23:46] <Supermanintights> well i [put my bug out like you said
[23:46] <Supermanintights> although no one has commented
[23:46] <Supermanintights> i'm trying to figure out how to get ubuntu to read my HFS usb stick so i can get my documents and have my usb stick back again
[23:47] <Supermanintights> but one thing at a time (I got a huge recovery project to do on a 2tb harddrive once this is all sorted - not looking forward to it)
[23:48] <Supermanintights> still i've had more fun in 1 day of ubuntu than i did in a month of OSX
[23:49] <popey> Good to hear


[21:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue761 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue761 :D
[21:36] <krytarik> Bashing-om: I feel like the dedoimedo.com post should be in the Press section instead, shouldn't it?
[21:46] <Bashing-om> krytarik: My thought was that as of limited interest to Kubuntu - put in in "other" ?? More than willing to move it, however.
[21:50] <krytarik> Well, as to my thinking, it sounds like a review kind and doesn't convey actual news, so it belongs in the section stated to be for reviews.
[21:50] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack ^ :)
[21:58] <Bashing-om> UWN: 1st edit done :D


[02:02] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 41ab37c Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ series ubuntu/sharing-rdp/0015-sharing-fix-rdp-on-switch.patch * Add patch to fix RDP Sharing on switch * https://deb.li/E72j
[02:02] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 84a7b25 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:41.4-1ubuntu13 * https://deb.li/3I1GR
[02:02] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master aa3853d Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ series sharing-Turn-off-RDP-gsettings-key-when-turning-off-RDP.patch * Add patch to turn off RDP gsettings key when turning off RDP * https://deb.li/XCCD
[02:02] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master d8426cb Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:41.4-1ubuntu14 * https://deb.li/ikyMz
[02:04] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags 32003ff Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/1%41.4-1ubuntu13 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:41.4-1ubuntu13 * https://deb.li/tCq2
[02:07] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy 2aa25cb Jeremy Bicha * pushed 1327 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3r5wC
[02:07] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy 4664d50 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ubuntu/background-Support-changing-the-light-dark-theme-from-g-c.patch * background: Do not show the dark/light notice on GNOME session * https://deb.li/YxmC
[02:07] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy dc8a888 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/y1oh
[02:07] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy 9075ffb Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Upload to jammy * https://deb.li/3X3rc
[02:07] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy a759b86 Sebastien Bacher debian/patches/ubuntu/Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * Use the correct gettext function in the ubuntu panel for context strings * https://deb.li/31ngI
[02:07] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy 2cac975 Sebastien Bacher debian/patches/ series ubuntu/update-vnc-key.patch * Update the grd vnc key when sharing as required by the new version * https://deb.li/KsnI
[02:18] <Kilroy> hi, so I am running ubuntu 22.04 on macbook air 2019, how do I get wifi to show up?
[02:24] <guiverc> Kilroy, this isn't a support room, please use #ubuntu if you want support.
[02:25] <Kilroy> oh, I thought I was in #ubuntu-next I am so sorry, I clicked one down
[02:25] <Kilroy> *ubuntu
[03:00] <duflu> Kilroy, I'm not sure but if that Macbook Air was still using Broadcom radios like previous models then you need to either (a) choose the thirdparty software option during install; or (b) plug in a USB ethernet adaptor and install package 'bcmwl-kernel-source'
[03:03] <Kilroy> ok let me try that
[03:06] <duflu> Actually you can probably find the bcmwl-kernel-source .deb file on the install media
[03:09] <Kilroy> I left the install media at school
[03:10] <duflu> So long as you can copy files onto the machine it shouldn't matter. The one I'm talking about is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/bcmwl-kernel-source_<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu8_amd64.deb
[03:11] <duflu> Still just guessing that your laptop has Broadcom wifi
[03:11] <Kilroy> it does
[03:11] <Kilroy> I got that package installed, do I need to reboot?
[03:11] <duflu> Maybe?
[03:11] <duflu> I would not imagine so. Perhaps you have a different bug
[03:13] <Kilroy> going to reboot any way
[03:18] <Kilroy> duflu nope still can't find wifi
[03:18] <duflu> Kilroy, next step then is to get an ethernet adaptor and log a bug by running 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[03:20] <Kilroy> I will do that tommarow at school
[05:37] <jpnurmi> good morning
[05:38] <duflu> Morning jpnurmi
[05:38] <jpnurmi> hey duflu
[05:48] <didrocks> good morning
[05:50] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:59] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:03] <ricotz> good moring everyone
[06:03] <ricotz> *good morning everyone :)
[06:07] <didrocks> hey duflu, jibel, ricotz
[06:12] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[06:20] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:28] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:29] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:30] <duflu> Hi jibel and oSoMoN
[06:36] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:36] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:56] <seb129> goood morning desktopers!
[06:58] <duflu> Hi seb128+1
[06:58] <duflu> Hi seb129
[07:02] <seb129> lol
[07:02] <seb129> hey duflu , how are you?
[07:04] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:05] <seb128> oSoMoN, jamesh, Trevinho, hey. So about https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/769 , do you think we can distro patch the suggested change for now? we need to improve the firefox snap situation
[07:05] <seb128> didrocks, salut!
[07:05] <seb128> en forme ?
[07:06] <duflu> seb128, not bad, you?
[07:06] <didrocks> ça va :)
[07:09] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright thanks :)
[07:38] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 ! I submitted that change as a PR (https://github.com/jhenstridge/xdg-desktop-portal/pull/1), waiting for james_h to comment on it
[07:39] <seb128> oSoMoN, salut! merci! ca va sinon?
[07:39] <oSoMoN> bien, et toi?
[07:39] <seb128> don't try to not highlight jamesh, we need him to get things moving :)
[07:39] <seb128> ça va!
[07:43] <oSoMoN> heh :) I thought it wasn't really necessary to highlight jamesh, given that you highlighted jamesh a few lines earlier, but fair enough, let's highlight jamesh.
[07:45] <jamesh> seb128, oSoMoN: my one concern with the package ID vs desktop ID thing is that now the native messaging portal will be invoking the UI service differently to every other portal
[07:47] <jamesh> i.e. I think the fix is probably the right choice, but should probably be done everywhere else too.
[07:47] <oSoMoN> right
[07:48] <seb128> could one of you add a card in the backlog about that?
[07:49] <seb128> we need to resolve the firefox issue now but we should still deal with the other things later
[07:49] <jamesh> I've pulled your change into my PR, so I think it is in a state where it could be used as a distro patch.
[07:50] <seb128> jamesh, hey, thanks for the reply :) another question, we are getting a few reports than firefox and other snaps can't save files to mounted drivers and shared, do you know if that's a known issue?
[07:52] <jamesh> seb128: the document portal shouldn't be proxying access to /mnt or /media for snaps that have removable-media plugged.
[07:52] <seb128> the journal shows  Failed to register<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Failed to open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:52] <seb128> from xdg-desktop-portal
[07:53] <seb128> jamesh, sorry, I'm trying with a ssh mount
[07:54] <seb128> so that's probably a different case from the media mounted in /mnt
[07:54] <jamesh> ah. gvfs access is not currently supported by snaps, and I don't think it even works via document portal
[07:54] <jamesh> (although it would probably be possible to chain document portal to gvfs-fused)
[07:55] <jamesh> removable-media does currently block running executables under /mnt and /media, but that shouldn't be a problem for Firefox (it has affected some people trying Steam though)
[07:56] <seb128> jamesh, could you perhaps add a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1971168 about the gvfs access?
[07:57] <seb128> I know gvfs in snaps is not easy but I though the portal as part of the user session could handle those
[07:58] <seb128> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1971475 states that saving to /media works but not /mnt
[08:00] <seb128> brb, need to change location and drop from IRC but I will read the backlog from irclog if you reply :)
[08:01] <jamesh> seb128: right. gvfs mounts can be accessed as regular files under the $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/gvfs FUSE mount. That's primarily for the benefit of legacy apps, but could also be used by xdg-document-portal.
[08:02] <jamesh> i.e. sftp://... => $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/gvfs/... => $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/doc/...
[08:11] <seb128> k, and back online!
[09:00] <oSoMoN> jamesh, seb128 : https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/pull/705#issuecomment-1123392120 is the last remaining blocker from my perspective
[09:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[10:56] <madhens> Hello! Best place to ask about an accessibility tool (Speakup) not compiled into our kernel?
[11:45] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: looks like seb went out, but I'm fine to distro-patch that... I think it's fine also for upstream, but not sure who can review it with write access.
[12:08] <jbicha> good morning
[12:14] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[12:14] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, by distro-patch, you mean doing the same package ID / desktop ID substitution for all portals, right?
[12:15] <oSoMoN> (for the webextensions portal I already cherry-picked the corresponding patch update: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal/1.14.3-0ubuntu3 , and I'll SRU it once it migrates)
[12:18] <ogra> madhens, try #ubuntu-kernel ...
[12:46] <madhens> Thanks!
[17:58] <xclaesse[m]> Hi, devhelp does not show any pages in jammy, probably a webkit issue. Is there a know workaround?
[18:05] <jbicha> xclaesse[m]: do you have the problem with any other webkit apps?
[18:05] <xclaesse[m]> evolution got fixed a few weeks ago
[18:06] <jbicha> you're using amd64, right?
[18:06] <xclaesse[m]> yes
[18:07] <jbicha> I had a bug earlier, still not fixed but I haven't looked into it more, see LP: #1942951 for a workaround
[18:07] <xclaesse[m]> There are at least 2 bug reports (first is mine) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devhelp/+bug/1969273 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devhelp/+bug/1970200
[18:09] <xclaesse[m]> jbicha: oh nice, the workaround from seb128 worked
[18:09] <xclaesse[m]> thanks!
[18:09] <jbicha> please mark your bug a duplicate of that bug then
[18:11] <jbicha> xclaesse[m]: if you want, you could try to figure out what exact line items break devhelp
[18:12] <jbicha> upstream wasn't able to work on the bug because there wasn't a reproducible test case
[18:14] <xclaesse[m]> jbicha: last comment on the debian bug says "It turns out, this bug is already fixed. In WebKitGTK 2.34.1, to be precise."
[18:15] <xclaesse[m]> but seems we have 2.36 on jammy... maybe a patch to backport, dunno
[18:15] <jbicha> yeah, I don't think it's fixed either
[18:20] <xclaesse[m]> maybe in 2.36.1
[18:25] <jbicha> I don't think so :) I think jammy will be getting 2.36.2 next week
[18:40] <xclaesse[m]> Seems glib doc is broken: Error opening file /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/glib/api-index-2-72.html: No such file or directory
[18:40] <xclaesse[m]> all "index of new symbols" pages in glib are missing
[20:00] <jbicha> xclaesse[m]: I see the broken glib doc pages on Arch Linux too. Do you want to report that bug to GNOME?
[20:10] <xclaesse[m]> jbicha: oh that's an upstream issue indeed, I can reproduce when building glib myself
[20:11] <xclaesse[m]> looks like a gtkdoc issue tbh. the xml files are generated but not included into the html
[20:11] <jbicha> gtkdoc is probably undermaintained. gi-docgen is recommended for most things now
[20:17] <xclaesse[m]> dunno what's the status of gi-docgen, last time I heard about it, ebassi was saying it targets gtk only
[20:17] <xclaesse[m]> which makes it pretty much useless
[20:17] <xclaesse[m]> maybe he changed his mind
[20:17] <xclaesse[m]> but I agree we need to drop gtkdoc, it has been a pain for decades
[20:33] <jbicha> $ reverse-depends -b gi-docgen
[20:34] <jbicha> tracker has more complex needs so they ended up using hotdoc instead


[05:00] <hikiko> hello
[06:35] <tjaalton> Laney: ownclound-client has renamed it's libraries, debian has not. can we sync it again or not?
[08:02] <Laney> tjaalton: no, but you can upload it with B+R on the v5 name if you handle the transition
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:05] <tjaalton> Laney: ok, looks like there are no rdeps
[08:08] <andyrock> morning all
[09:51] <willcooke> morning all
[10:06] <willcooke> Next stop Dallas.  l8r
[12:31] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99223#c3 <- people want 5.1 backports. Any reason for not having them in libreoffice-5-1 or fresh ppas?
[12:31] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99223 in Writer "crash when editing complex document useful with 5.05" [Normal,Needinfo]
[12:44] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, huh?
[12:45] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, of course they are there for trusty and wily, and we talked about precise
[12:46] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: ah, urgh yeah. Sorry, read it too fast, thought he was on Trusty ....
[12:46] <ricotz> the bug claims he is on Precise
[12:48] <ricotz> (I might give it another shot, but this isn't pretty)
[13:08] <mhall119> Laney: ping
[15:03] <ksamak> hey all.
[15:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: i just wanted to enquire as to that potential <IP_ADDRESS> release for compiz? i tough this would only take a week at best
[15:04] <ksamak> we're waiting on that to forward re-integration in debian
[15:26] <Laney> mhall119: sorry, really busy trying to crowbar gnome-software in before xenial
[15:30] <Laney> IT IS MY HONOUR TO CHAIR THE DESKTOP TEAM MEETING
[15:31]  * qengho bows
[15:31] <Laney> #startmeeting Desktop Team 2016-04-12
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 12 15:31:13 2016 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <Laney> I stole this from slangesek:
[15:31] <Laney> laney@nightingale> echo $(shuf -e desrt andyrock happyaron SweetShark qengho hikiko FJKong Laney TheMuso Trevinho robert_ancell seb128 tkamppeter willcooke attente)                                ~
[15:31] <Laney> qengho seb128 willcooke attente tkamppeter TheMuso Laney Trevinho FJKong hikiko robert_ancell happyaron desrt SweetShark andyrock
[15:31] <qengho> Ooo!
[15:32] <Laney> #topic qengho
[15:32] <andyrock> o/
[15:32] <qengho> - transitioning chromium to new build system, GN, off of GYP. - chromium snaps - zfs utilities testing.
[15:32] <qengho> EOF
[15:32] <Trevinho> \o
[15:32] <qengho> Ow, man, all on one line.
[15:33] <Laney> compression
[15:33] <qengho> Indeed. Newlines cost money.
[15:33]  * Laney skips the people that are away
[15:33] <Laney> #topic attente
[15:33] <attente> hi all
[15:34] <attente> gnome-software hackfest last week, some patches merged upstream as well as some feature requests
[15:34] <attente> trying to fix up some update-all stuff for a new release
[15:34] <Laney> are you getting the branch in shape?
[15:34] <Laney> we should update thursday latest
[15:34] <attente> Laney: trying
[15:35] <Laney> and file bugs for the remaining issues
[15:35] <Laney> then SRU those later on
[15:35] <attente> need to fix some bugs right now
[15:35] <Laney> we're going to have to release note some stuff
[15:35] <attente> maybe tonight or tomorrow for a new release
[15:35] <Laney> so whatever you know of, keep it in mind
[15:35] <Laney> like "why oh why are some apps randomly marked as third party?"
[15:36] <Laney> if you have time could you test the new dpkg plugin please?
[15:36] <attente> sure
[15:36] <Laney> hughsie split it out but I doubt it actually got tested
[15:36] <Laney> merci!
[15:36] <attente> yeah, a bit worried because cherry picking the update-all stuff doesn't work either
[15:36] <Laney> conflicts?
[15:37] <attente> fixed the conflicts, but still running into a segfault
[15:37] <Laney> mmm
[15:37] <Laney> in the worst case we hide the button again
[15:37] <attente> also some other unmentionables
[15:37] <Laney> and SRU this change
[15:37] <attente> ok
[15:37] <Laney> I saw the notification with actions too
[15:37] <Laney> should make sure that is turned off properly
[15:38] <attente> right
[15:38] <Laney> think there was a commit to check XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP there to take, or write
[15:38] <attente> he said it should be in the gs-utils
[15:39] <attente> anyways (eof)
[15:39] <Laney> thx
[15:39] <Laney> #topic tkamppeter
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Determined what needs to be done to make it support MuPDF as PDF interpreter. Should be possible to get it done by two GSoC students.
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Flattening filled forms is no problem with cups-filters with all three PDF interpreters thanks to rastertopdf (with all interpreters we can generate PWG Raster)
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - PWG (Printer Working Group) has released IPP Everywhere standard so that printer manufacturers can self-certify. Very important step for driverless printing.
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Student selection, request of slots at Google, mentor assignment
[15:39] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:40] <Laney> cheers
[15:40] <Laney> #topic TheMuso
[15:40] <Laney> * Finished implementing a solution for accessibility profiles to be
[15:40] <Laney> available and usable in the mate flavour.
[15:40] <Laney> * Bug fixes for Braille and alsa to fix various bugs that have been
[15:40] <Laney> reported.
[15:40] <Laney> * Spent time tracking down what I thought was a race condition in mate with
[15:40] <Laney> accessibility. Sometimes Orca wouldn't read the desktop. Turns out I had to
[15:40] <Laney> wait a bit, and all worked. Why its not responsive on first start I don't
[15:40] <Laney> know, but it does work.
[15:41] <Laney> #topic Laney
[15:41] <Laney> gnome-software sprint too
[15:41] <Laney> hopefully most stuff is going upstream
[15:41] <Laney> did some code for it like adding the usage of libapt
[15:42] <Laney> the rest of the week I will be working on this too, probably not much else before release
[15:42] <Laney> although I will try to sponsor some stuff
[15:42] <Laney> #topic Trevinho
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Fixed indicator-session race that caused "Restart..." menu item to be shown in unity
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Fixed a regression in BAMF matching for desktop-less apps
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Investigating the no-menus on fresh-boot issue (really can't reproduce, looks like a race in gtk parsing of the menu-model, since Hud works)
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Improved andyrock bamf and Hud branches to reduce memory usage, removing X properties dependencies and sharing the action menus.
[15:42] <Trevinho> · Hud tuning
[15:42] <Trevinho> EOF
[15:43] <Laney> thx
[15:43] <Laney> #topic FJKong
[15:44] <Laney> 1 libpng research to get time of frame, may need aron to help to update
[15:44] <Laney> package
[15:44] <Laney> 2 skin unpack for sogou skin testing
[15:44] <Laney> 3  review bug report from community
[15:44] <Laney> #topic hikiko
[15:45]  * Laney coughs
[15:45] <Laney> very well
[15:45] <Laney> #topic happyaron
[15:46] <happyaron> a minute..
[15:46]  * Laney is excited
[15:46] <happyaron> 1. updated: radcli, ocserv
[15:46] <happyaron> 2. review translations submitted from NUDT's team (6000+ strings)
[15:46] <happyaron> 3. libxml2 python3 build system issue follow up
[15:46] <happyaron> 4. ubuntukylin packages review&sponsoring
[15:47] <happyaron> EOF
[15:47] <Laney> that is exciting!
[15:47] <Laney> thanks!
[15:47] <Laney> #topic desrt
[15:47]  * happyaron looks at that excited Laney
[15:47] <desrt> o hai
[15:48] <desrt> working on untangling a big mess right now.. we never considered what would happen with dbus-activatable apps if we had an app with '-' in the bus name
[15:48] <desrt> turns out we have a bunch of those and it's a mess...
[15:48] <Laney> isn't that not allowed?
[15:48] <desrt> i was going to force everyone to rename their apps because seb was away and i hope he wouldn't notice, but then i remembered that he's coming back soon
[15:48] <desrt> so instead, we're just going to say that '-' is good from now on
[15:49] <desrt> well, the problem stems from the fact that we need to convert the desktop file name into a dbus object path and object paths cannot have '-'
[15:49] <desrt> gapplication has an old trick to use '_' instead, so we're just copying that around to a few more places
[15:49] <desrt> the funny thing is that a bunch of apps list DBusActivatable=true, install service files, the whole nine yards, but have a '-' in the name, so have been silently falling back to fork()/exec() the whole time
[15:50] <Laney> haha
[15:50] <desrt> the best case is gnome-font-viewer which installs a service file that has an Exec=gnome-font-viewer --gapplication-service
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> desrt: so we are testing the fallback verrry well>
[15:50] <mhall119> Laney: when you're done crowbar-ing gnome-sofware into xenial, could you help muon do the same?
[15:50] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406
[15:50] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1562406 in muon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to latest upstream version" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:50] <desrt> but gnome-font-viewer doesn't actually accept --gapplication-service as a valid commandline option
[15:50] <desrt> pretty hilarious
[15:51] <desrt> the only reason it worked at all is because it has '-' in the name and has been using the fallback path
[15:51] <desrt> anyway... i'll have this all sorted out by end of day, hopefully :)
[15:51] <Laney> mhall119: I'm not likely to be done ever EVER ever EVER - try pitt_i?
[15:51] <desrt> otherwise, florida was awesome
[15:51] <desrt> eof.
[15:51] <Laney> did you go to disneyworld?
[15:51] <desrt> no
[15:51] <desrt> but i went to nasa
[15:51] <desrt> and we saw the CRS-8 falcon9/dragon launch
[15:52] <desrt> first successful touchdown on the drone ship.  very exciting.
[15:52] <desrt> it was _loud_
[15:52] <Laney> hell yeah
[15:52] <Laney> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - bumped xenial to 5.1.2 along with upstream
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - code review (upstream)
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - triaged and fixed bug 1566050 upstream (do we want to bump LibreOffice for this in Xenial still? AFAICS its "only" a crash on exit ...)
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> - was in Munich for TDF/LibreOffice, opportunity to meet the state secretary of the federal german ministry for economics
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:52] <ubot5`> bug 1566050 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Crash on exit: ScCsvGrid leaks past vcl lifetime" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566050
[15:53] <Laney> you schmoozer
[15:54] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:54] <Laney> danke
[15:54] <Laney> #topic andyrock
[15:54] <andyrock> hey
[15:54] <andyrock> worked on the hud keybinding change
[15:55] <andyrock> and some reviews

[15:55] <Laney> you html bad
[15:56] <Laney> #topic aob
[15:57] <Laney> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 15:57:10 2016 UTC.
[15:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-04-12-15.31.moin.txt
[15:57] <Laney> larsu: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/12/berlin-airport-spokesman-daniel-abbou-sacked-criticising-project I lol'd
[15:58] <larsu> Laney: me too :)
[15:58] <larsu> that's what you get for speaking the truth!
[15:58] <Laney> "I need someone who is going to cut the crap"
[15:59] <Laney> NO NOT THAT MUCH
[16:03] <larsu> haha
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[16:13] <Sweet5hark> larsu: its not even only germans anymore -- around 3:45 some turks are bashing the berlin airport as well as any native would ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFSZ95nKzko
[16:21] <hikiko> Laney, sorry I was out for the car and I emailed will instead of you
[16:21] <hikiko> I'm going to send you my bullets right away :)
[16:22] <hikiko> mistake :)
[16:22] <Trevinho> hikiko: I guess you can just paste them here
[16:22] <Laney> indeed
[16:22] <Laney> is the car fixed?
[16:22] <hikiko> no :/ the damage is much worse than I thought
[16:22] <hikiko> they fixed the glass
[16:23] <hikiko> but I have to leave it for repair on monday
[16:23] <hikiko> for the door
[16:23] <hikiko> and I had to go to the police station etc a couple of times
[16:23] <hikiko> anyway:
[16:23] <hikiko> * Ezoom: i fixed most of the code for the damaging but a few parts that are rendered by nux are still problematic: although now they appear at the right size they have delays at rendering and I debug this part.
[16:23] <hikiko> EOF
[16:24] <hikiko> that's my bullet, sorry it's short I had a sick leave and then swapped 2 days for the car...
[16:24] <Trevinho> thanks
[18:24] <jcastro> Trevinho: heya, do you know if there's anything we can do to help here? https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/465#issuecomment-183527458
[18:24] <jcastro> all my electron apps send dialogs instead of notifications
[18:25]  * Trevinho was just playing with electron right now... good moment :-D
[18:25] <Trevinho> jcastro: checking...
[18:25] <jcastro> yeah I saw you comment on a bug so I was like, maybe he can help
[18:26]  * larsu giggles
[18:26] <larsu> we should just drop those pesky dialogs...
[18:27] <Trevinho> jcastro: I'm not sure... but I read somehwere that electron was using zenity in linux, could be that the case?
[18:27] <jcastro> yeah, I believe so
[18:27] <jcastro> is there a way to just shove all of them to notify-osd?
[18:28] <Trevinho> jcastro: so, they do show properly here.. Thus I think there's some binary calls involved
[18:28] <jcastro> ok let me try to remove zenity
[18:32] <jcastro> Trevinho: we're talking xenial right?
[18:34] <Trevinho> jcastro: no, I was testing this in trusty... And they work here. but looking at the bug, It looks like they check for a file in /usr/lib/... it's a weird way to do things
[18:35] <Trevinho> https://github.com/electron/brightray/pull/197/files
[18:36] <Trevinho> So I guess a workjaround could be creating a fake file like that
[18:36] <jcastro> sudo touch /usr/lib/libunity-electron_notification_fix
[18:36] <jcastro> is what one guy did
[18:37] <Trevinho> jcastro: eh, and does it work?
[18:38] <jcastro> I didn't try it, I wanted to ask you first, heh
[18:38] <Trevinho> jcastro: I guess it will, looking at their code
[18:40] <jcastro> Trevinho: works, you just need to restart the app
[18:41] <Trevinho> jcastro: ok... So yeah, my guess was right... But they really need to fix this. using XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP might be ok. Although the pull request should be fixed to consider that var a list and not a string
[18:41] <jcastro> do you have time to leave them advice?
[18:42] <jcastro> there's a bunch of electron apps now and it'd be swell if they worked right
[18:48] <Trevinho> jcastro: yeah, I've just commented the issue and pull req
[18:48] <jcastro> <3 thanks
[18:49] <jcastro> man, the amount of electron apps is more than you'd think: https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome-electron
[21:52] <seb128> tedg, hey, I think indicator-datetime used to include the "current" tz in the locations no? e.g the one we get through geolocation ... do you know if that's right or if I remember wrongly? and if it used to work do you know if it's known not work anymore?
[21:53] <tedg> seb128: I believe that it still does, but it isn't enabled by default.
[21:53] <seb128> oh? why not?
[21:53] <seb128> by "enable" you mean it doesn't switch for you?
[21:54] <tedg> No, it never switched for you, it just doesn't show up.
[21:54] <tedg> Looking for the setting now...
[21:54] <seb128> k
[21:54] <seb128> why do we have a settings for that?
[21:55] <tedg> I think it was to make the "I don't want big brother watching me" people happy, but I don't remember honestly.
[21:56] <sarnold> or "geoip doesn't know where I am and gets it wrong"?
[21:56] <tedg> seb128: I can't seem to find timezone settings in the current settings panel?
[21:57] <seb128> tedg, the map is in the datetime panel
[21:57] <seb128> what settings are you talking about?
[21:57] <tedg> Must be the gnome one.
[21:58] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#PC
[21:58] <tedg> Ah, yeah, I seem to have both installed. Probably upgrade.
[21:58] <tedg> So yes, the setting is "Time in auto-detected location"
[21:58] <seb128> "Time in auto-detected location”
[21:59] <seb128> it's there and on
[21:59] <seb128> still doesn't work
[21:59] <seb128> I noticed last time I was in London
[21:59] <tedg> Hmm, it should...
[21:59] <seb128> and today in Salt Late City
[21:59] <seb128> right, doesn't work for dpm either it seems
[21:59] <seb128> so not only my laptop
[21:59] <tedg> Do you have ubuntu-geoip installed?
[22:00]  * tedg thought it was very late for seb128 :-)
[22:00] <seb128> geoclue-ubuntu-geoip?
[22:00] <seb128> yes
[22:00] <seb128> hehe
[22:00] <tedg> Yeah
[22:00] <seb128> yes, installed
[22:00] <seb128> can I d-feet poke it to see if it works?
[22:01] <tedg> Thought there was a gui tool... must have gone with the new geoclue.
[22:03] <tedg> Calling GetPosition seems to return 0 for me :-(
[22:04] <tedg> I need to run, but not sure if charles is still around and knows anything about it.
[22:05] <charles> reading scrollback now
[22:05] <seb128> tedg, thanks, seems like there is indeed a bug there
[22:06] <charles> to clear up a little crosstalk, the design spec always had this disabled by default, the change is that the code used to start it up by default and then not use it; now the code doesn't even fire up a geoclue proxy unless the user changes the setting to 'true'
[22:06] <charles> but seb128 if you've got that setting turned on and it's still not working, sounds like a bug to me
[22:07] <seb128> charles, I've the setting to true and it seems to not work
[22:07] <charles> seb128, please file a ticket set to confirmed & assigned to me, I'll take a look
[22:07] <seb128> thanks
[22:07] <charles> seb128, thanks for the report
[22:08] <seb128> yw!
[22:08] <seb128> could be a bug in the geoclue stack, I think that's what tedg meant by GetPosition returns 0
[22:09] <charles> yeah, wouldn't surprise me. i-d has unit tests for geoclue but not integration tests
[22:10] <seb128> charles, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1569593
[22:10] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1569593 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Doesn't include auto-detected timezone even if settings is enabled" [Low,Confirmed]
[22:10] <charles> sounds good
[22:20] <seb128> charles, thanks!
[22:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya
[22:35] <seb128> Sweet5hark, good "evening"?
[22:36] <seb128> how are you?
[22:37] <Sweet5hark> seb128: soo, I got on a crash fixing spree with some 3-4 fixes still. final freeze is looming and the next libreoffice 5.1 release is still off. I wonder what to do about it ...
[22:38] <seb128> Sweet5hark, just do an upload with those few patches?
[22:38] <Sweet5hark> seb128: still rushing it before final or preparing it as a 0-dayish SRU for whenever there is an opportunity ...
[22:38] <seb128> what are the fixes?
[22:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: bug 1560328, bug 1566050, bug 1569500, bug 1569589
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1560328 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "BlendFrameCache isnt cleared before de-initing vital VCL parts" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560328
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1566050 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Crash on exit: ScCsvGrid leaks past vcl lifetime" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566050
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1569500 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:11:SdrObjList::GetObjCount:SdrEditView::ImpCheckToTopBtmPossible:SdrEditView::CheckPossibilities:E3dView::CheckPossibilities:sd::View::CheckPossibilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569500
[22:40] <ubot5`> bug 1569589 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:11:ImpBitmap::~ImpBitmap:Bitmap::ImplReleaseRef:Bitmap::~Bitmap:BitmapEx::~BitmapEx:std::default_delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569589
[22:40] <seb128> crashers, it feels like it should be in the release
[22:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: all fixing crashers -- however most of those are not easily reproducible, so the fixes are shots into the dark.
[22:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah
[22:41] <seb128> though seeing how we are still behind just landing new n-m on friday, doing snappy changes, still having gnome-software hackfest work to land
[22:41] <seb128> as usual LTS .1 is going to be the really stable one
[22:41] <seb128> not a reason to not fix what we can for the release though
[22:42] <Sweet5hark> seb128: as for working in the "evening" -- I took vacation tomorrow (assuming will will sign it off when he sees it). So I wanted to get it done before.
[22:43] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so -- will backport the fixes and kick off a ppa build tomorrow for a start.
[22:45] <Sweet5hark> also some time for upstream to review the changes and catch if I messed up somewhere, though the fixes are mostly quite trivial one/two-liners ... then again lifecycle management fixes have a habit of biting back ...
[22:50] <seb128> Sweet5hark, enjoy the day off! don't worry if it's not signed up yet, it's fine/can be sorted out when you are back


[03:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: suppose I'll make my way through those this weekend
[03:19] <bluesabre> new menulibre release sometime this week, will get that one packaged
[03:20] <bluesabre> added support for MATE, Budgie, and KDE this week
[05:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack and woohoo :)
[05:59] <flocculant> seen the monthly update cadence proposal on the dev discuss list?
[10:29] <bluesabre> flocculant: think I missed that
[18:08] <flocculant> likely asleep when it started on the list - I saw it this morning, just seen when it was posted :p