[01:07] <nsahoo> hi .. I accidentally marked some files under svn control to delete on next commit, how do I undo that?
[01:08] <ebroder> nsahoo: #ubuntu-devel isn't a general support channel. For Ubuntu support, you should ask in #ubuntu. Although for help with subversion, you're better off asking in #svn
[01:11] <nsahoo> thanks
[01:11] <nsahoo> I asked in svn
[01:11] <nsahoo> i was told in #ubuntu to ask here at first
[01:12] <nsahoo> anyways resolved it
[01:12] <ebroder> #ubuntu-devel is specifically for Ubuntu development, not development on Ubuntu in general
[01:19] <ojwb> nsahoo: IIRC, svn revert <files>
[01:19] <ojwb> oh, you resolved it anyway
[04:54] <damo22> which package do i get if i want to compile my own kernel for ubuntu 8.04?
[04:54] <damo22> linux-source-...
[04:55] <damo22> ?
[07:29] <superm1> could I get a give-back on mythplugins?
[08:43] <cjwatson> superm1: you ought to be able to do that yourself?
[08:44] <cjwatson> find the build page, hit the retry link
[09:17] <udiio> Q: how do I easily touch the "Version" line of a deb control file from bash?
[09:24] <mdke> what does dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[09:24] <mdke> mean?
[09:24] <mdke> is that the user interrupting an upgrade or could it be a crash?
[09:32] <cjwatson> udiio: what do you mean by "touch"?
[09:33] <cjwatson> mdke: it means that the parent dpkg-deb process exited, for some reason not explained by that error mesage
[09:33] <cjwatson> message
[09:34] <cjwatson> well, exited or otherwise closed the reading end of the pipe the subprocess was trying to write to, but exited is most likely
[09:34] <mdke> hmm
[09:34] <mdke> cjwatson: I'm looking at bug 414237 - there doesn't seem to be any explanation in the terminal log. Do you know if there is any way I can get the reporter to provide more info that might help?
[09:38] <cjwatson> mdke: you could try getting them to run 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-docs_9.04.10_all.deb' from a terminal and see what it does there
[09:39] <cjwatson> we should probably filter out such apport reports, they're never package bugs ...
[09:39] <mdke> but I guess it could be a bug of some kind, even if not in ubuntu-docs. I'll do as you've suggested
[09:41] <mdke> thanks cjwatson
[09:41] <YokoZar> Did sabdfl enable proportional representation for the technical board election?
[09:42] <cjwatson> condorcet
[09:47] <Laney> are there any platforms or such like available for the election?
[09:48] <Laney> I feel like I'm voting a bit blind
[09:51] <mdke> candidate wiki pages?
[09:54] <YokoZar> cjwatson: Yes, but there are 5 winners.  You can either do this by picking the top 5 ranked or by using a condorcet method to pick the set of 5 that beats all other possible sets of 5
[09:55] <YokoZar> (there's a link to the proportional representation explanation on their page, and whether or not it's on is a checkbox when you create the poll...but it's not clear on the actual ballot which method it uses)
[09:55] <YokoZar> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/proportional.html  <-- their explanation of their PR method
[09:56]  * YokoZar studied voting systems very heavily in college and is very pleased regardless
[10:00] <Laney> mdke: have they been updated in general?
[10:00]  * Laney could just look
[10:02] <mdke> Laney: I'm not sure.
[10:03] <Laney> seems not
[10:03] <mdke> the thing taht confused me slightly about the voting process was whether one should try and make the ranking add up, so that if you have 2 people ranked at 1, the next person should be ranked 3
[10:03] <cjwatson> YokoZar: oh, right, I don't know, sorry. I would hope that we're picking the top 5 ranked
[10:03] <cjwatson> ask Mark :)
[10:03] <YokoZar> mdke: it's smart enough to not care
[10:04] <YokoZar> mdke: relative position is all that matters
[10:04] <mdke> ah, good
[10:04] <mdke> thanks
[11:05] <LLStarks> how do i send something to the build farm?
[11:07] <ogra> you upload a sourcepackage to the archive
[11:14] <LLStarks> ogra, how do i do that?
[11:14] <ogra> you become a developer, gain upload rights and upload your package is one way, you find a developer who has upload rights and convince him/her to sponsor your upload is the other
[11:15] <LLStarks> well, how would i get this into the queue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libass/+bug/410112
[11:16] <maxb> Get it into which queue?
[11:16] <LLStarks> for the build farm.
[11:17] <ogra> seems ubuntu-universe-sponsors is already subscribed
[11:17] <LLStarks> well, i don't see the gears of progress turning.
[11:17] <ogra> so it's a matter of being patient or asking someone in #ubuntu-motu to review and upload
[11:18] <ogra> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[11:27] <maxb> What is the usual time for a MIR to be reviewed and approved?
[11:28] <maxb> I need an estimate of whether one which is currently pending is likely to be completed in time for FeatureFreeze
[11:28] <maxb> lp 410624
[13:11] <slytherin> Hi. Yesterday I upgraded my PC to karmic. I just added a DVD drive to the PC, but there is no /dev/dvd node created. To which package should I report the problem?
[13:16] <ogra> kirkland, sorry that it took so log, qemu fix uploaded
[15:31] <ogra> gah, pitty dropped my hal fix of the initscript without note
[15:45] <ogra> heh, i should probably check for which release i build my chroots :P
[16:38] <damo22> sorry to sound stupid, how do you reply to a message on a mailing list? i have subscribed and posted a message, but when i posted a reply to my own message back to the mailing list, it appeared as a new post.... i want to be able to post a reply and have it indented in the mailing list
[16:39] <cjwatson> wow, get a less awful mail client :)
[16:40] <cjwatson> the "reply to all" (or, if available, "reply to list") function in any non-hopeless mail client is sufficient
[16:40] <damo22> cjwatson: yeah, im using gmail
[16:40] <damo22> is it possible in gmail?
[16:40] <cjwatson> no idea, sorry
[16:40] <damo22> :(
[16:40] <ion> gmail has worked just fine with mailing lists so far.
[16:40] <damo22> but reply to all makes the mailing list as a CC
[16:40] <damo22> and the primary address is the email of the person who posted
[16:41] <damo22> is that correct?
[16:42] <cjwatson> yes, and on some lists that is considered suboptimal, but that is not the question you originally assked ...
[16:42] <cjwatson> the "reply to list" function, if available, tries to honour the Mail-Followup-To: header, which normally has the effect of putting the mailing list in To: if it can figure out how
[16:43] <cjwatson> but either of those ought to preserve threading
[16:43] <damo22> cjwatson: i dont want to post an email to the guy who posted, and then he gets a second email back from the list
[16:43] <ogra> afaik you have to copy the CC address to the to field in gmail
[16:43] <ogra> but the mail should end up in the proper thread then
[16:43] <cjwatson> like I say, not the question you asked to start with - you were asking about threading!
[16:43] <damo22> ogra: thankyou
[16:43] <cjwatson> the "new post" bit
[16:44] <cjwatson> if you want to be a really good citizen regarding list replies, you need a mail client that honours mail-followup-to
[16:44] <ogra> (note that i dont use gmail, the above is only what i heard from gmail users)
[16:44] <damo22> ogra: i will test it now
[16:45] <cjwatson> and if that's something gmail doesn't provide, the right answer may be to ask google to add it, since presumably they are at least in part driven by demand from their users
[16:49] <tikka> I'm curious about how to find out and when the latest kernel, with fixes for the null pointer deference, will be available for ubuntu?
[16:54] <ogra> tikka, you probably want #ubuntu-security ... but to my knowledge only systems with vm mmap min addr set to 0 are actually vulnerable, note that ubuntu defaults to something a lot higher (i'm not in the security team though and might have misunderstood the issue)
[16:55] <maco> ubuntu wasnt vulnerable, iirc
[16:55] <tikka> thanks ogra, maco
[16:55] <maco> i remember seeing someone comment on an article about it with the results of the proof of concept on ubuntu and fedora
[16:56] <ebroder> tikka: If you want to be sure, you can `cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr` to see what it's set to on your system
[16:56] <ebroder> Should be 65536
[16:56] <ebroder> If it is, you're not vulnerable
[16:57] <tikka> 65536
[16:57] <tikka> yep
[16:57] <tikka> thanks ebroder
[17:26] <ogra> grr ... Unsupported syscall: 242
[17:26]  * ogra curses mono
[19:41] <cumulus007> In which package is the "Add/Remove..." program packaged?
[19:43] <mpontillo> cumulus007: gnome-app-install
[19:43] <cumulus007> thanks :)
[19:45] <cumulus007> "ImportError: libgailutil.so.18: can't open shared object file: no such file or directory"
[19:45] <cumulus007> when I start it
[19:46] <mpontillo> cumulus007: according to 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgailutil.*', that's provided by the "libgail18". do you have it installed?
[19:47] <mpontillo> *the "libgail18" package, that is
[19:47] <cumulus007> Nope, I'll install it
[19:47] <cumulus007> it starts up now :)
[19:48] <cumulus007> but it crashes after a few seconds
[19:48] <mpontillo> possible bug in the gnome-app-install package then? I don't see a 'Depends' line.
[19:48] <cumulus007> "glib.GError: Icon 'distributor-logo' not present in theme". I'm running Kubuntu with the Oxygen theme, could that be the problem?
[19:49] <mpontillo> hmm that logo file is provided by the human-icon-theme package ;) tangled web this is
[19:51] <mpontillo> and/or gnome-icon-theme, ubuntu-artwork, ... and a number of other theme packages. not certain how the themes work so if the oxygen theme has to provide it and isn't...?
[19:59] <cumulus007> mpontillo: even when I change my icon theme to Human, it still crashes
[20:12] <popey> anyone know what package I should file a bug against for the "shutdown/reboot/hibernate/suspend" screen in gnome?
[20:12] <popey> gnome-session perhaps
[20:59] <mpontillo> you could try could try hacking /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AppInstall/Menu.py to get it to work. see if replacing the line that does "item = Category(self, self.all_category_name, "distributor-logo")" to remove the last parameter helps, or if it just crashes on some other icon
[22:33] <dupondje> is there a bugpage for upgrade bugs from Jaunty to Karmic ?
[22:33] <dupondje> cause its a hell :s
[22:34] <dtchen> jdstrand: bug updated with information regarding a current test kernel


[00:16] <theodor__> woooooooow IRC iS Alive ^^
[00:45] <Daskreech> somewhat
[00:45] <Daskreech> s0phie: Hi
[00:45] <Daskreech> S74rk7: What's up?
[01:42] <draik> Hello everyone
[01:43] <draik> I have my new desktop connected via HDMI, but I can't seem to get audio.
[01:43] <draik> pavucontrol shows audio is being received from sources (YouTube, VLC, etc), but nothing is being output to the TV
[01:49]  * James147 suggest checking alsamixer for muted channels
[01:50] <draik> Nothing muted
[01:52] <S74rk7> Daskreech: apologies on the late reply not long back, was out for a while there...left laptop turned on :)
[01:52] <Daskreech> No problem
[01:52] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Hows things?
[01:54] <Daskreech> Pretty good
[01:56] <S74rk7> Daskreech: quiet on here tonight isn't it
[01:57] <Daskreech> Yeah it's like that unless it's release time
[01:57] <Daskreech> then it's nuts
[01:57] <S74rk7> ahhh... so does quiet more or less mean everybodies happy? lol
[01:58] <Daskreech> Hi I didn't read any of the release notes but I heard there was new stuff partly uploaded to the servers and I upgraded and now nothing works and I'm by a friends house on Windows how do I fix everything I don't know what's wrong
[01:58] <Daskreech> Depends on if you are cynical or not :)
[01:59] <S74rk7> lol - interesting point
[02:01] <S74rk7> I'm planning a hard drive upgrade... and I'm trying to figure weather to keep Windows8 on it or not.. lol
[02:01] <S74rk7> I haven't booted into windows in about a month now....
[02:01] <Daskreech> Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:01] <Daskreech> We are not allowed to talk about  Warez here
[02:01] <S74rk7> huh?
[02:02] <S74rk7> Oh ... haha not windows 8 ... lol I meant windows7 lol
[02:02] <S74rk7> I knew I missed it on the numpad.... lol
[02:02] <James147> S74rk7: :D if you not using it then why keep it?
[02:02] <S74rk7> sorry typo... lol
[02:02] <James147> S74rk7: you will only have to go through the bother of reactivating windows ^^
[02:04] <S74rk7> lol and the 4hours by the time I get all the updates installed from microsoft
[02:06] <James147> S74rk7: yup :) and for what? not using it for another month or more? may as well reinstall it when... i mean if, you need it again
[02:06] <James147> ^^ and then I would try a vm first :)
[02:06] <S74rk7> nah but I've got a collection of software I use for repairing laptops, projects etc... and the last time I used it was to update an ipod I was trying out...
[02:06] <S74rk7> I had a quick look around for a linux alternative to itunes but - no joy
[02:07] <James147> S74rk7: amarok?
[02:07] <S74rk7> really?
[02:07] <James147> ^^ it can or should be able to handel most of the i stuff
[02:07] <quant> S74rk7, why would you want that? :) but yes, amarok, banshee, rhythmbox
[02:07] <quant> S74rk7, last two being gtk
[02:07] <James147> and gets better support for istuff with each release
[02:08]  * James147 cant wat for amarok to support transcoding when coping to a device :D
[02:08] <S74rk7> is there anything not support on linux?
[02:09] <S74rk7> lol
[02:09] <James147> ^^ thats the one thing i miss from the old version :(
[02:09] <James147> S74rk7: :) we support our selves as best we can...
[02:09] <James147> though sometimes slower then windows since we have to backengener allot of stuff ^^ like the istuff
[02:10] <S74rk7> James147: Thanks for the info on amarok :)
[02:10] <James147> ^^ you may or may not need a paskage for the ipod support... though i think kubuntu will have installed everything you need
[02:10] <James147> package :P
[02:11] <S74rk7> I use amorak as my mp3 player... the way it shows the lyrics in the middle by default is cool
[02:12]  * James147 remembers the days when everyone was throwing a hissy fit over that ^^
[02:12] <S74rk7> I just never thought to actually try it.. :)
[02:13] <S74rk7> I looked online for like "itunes linux alternative" and was getting tutorials on how to setup an older version of itunes with wine and all that
[02:14] <quant> S74rk7, why do you want an itunes like program for music? I'm curious
[02:14] <Daskreech> James147: There is plugin for transcoding from Amarok as I recall
[02:14] <S74rk7> I dont 'want' itunes
[02:15] <James147> Daskreech: from? I know amarok 1.4 had one, and amarok 2 can do it when copying to the local colection (with promise of a future release suppoting it when copying to a device)
[02:15] <S74rk7> I just didnt have the time then to learn how to configure wine and everything... it was the quicker option
[02:16] <James147> S74rk7: i find its better to search for what you want rather then what you thing you need ^^ ie "ipod sync" rather then "itunes clone"
[02:16] <quant> the only "itunes" I need is my directory structure
[02:16] <S74rk7> I was busy trying to figure out how to get my sound directed through my HDMI port to the the tv n all that
[02:16] <S74rk7> James147: thats makes sense :)
[02:17] <James147> S74rk7: ^^ "ipod sync ubuntu" give: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod :)
[02:19] <S74rk7> James147: hmmm...thats bookmarked - thanks dude
[02:20] <James147> S74rk7: dont really need to do that :) it just points to banshee amarok and gtkpod with the possibaility to run itunes in wine if you want :)
[02:20] <James147> S74rk7: what version of amarok are you using?
[02:21] <S74rk7> Amarok
[02:21] <S74rk7> Version 2.3.2
[02:21] <S74rk7> Using KDE 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
[02:22] <James147> S74rk7: ^^ if you have trouble syncing your ipod then try upgrading to 2.4 (with kde4.6)
[02:22] <S74rk7> the last time I was playing around and adding ppa's to my repos n stuff... I found some for amarok...but they were "backports" of some kind and I managed to kill kubuntu on myself lol
[02:23]  * James147 suggests doing that anyway :) kde make allot of improvments with each release :D... though natty should be comming soonish
[02:23] <James147> :S
[02:23] <Daskreech> Like... a lot
[02:24] <S74rk7> by kill I mean... my desktop was going crazy...if/when it did load... and this kind of thing still a beyond my knowledge of linux for me to repair so that ended in a format and reinstall lol
[02:24] <James147> S74rk7: you us these ones: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6.1  ?
[02:24] <Daskreech> 4.5 -> 4.6 was probably the smallest jump and it still took me like 15 minutes of reading  through it and learning 3 new things I didn't know though I was in the betas
[02:24] <quant> Daskreech, which is good or bad? :)
[02:25] <Daskreech> Which point are you talking about?
[02:25] <S74rk7> it was my  own fault at the time.. I was playing around pushing buttons to see what happens in linux lol
[02:25] <quant> Daskreech, 15 minutes and 3 new things
[02:25] <S74rk7> guess I still am..
[02:25] <James147> S74rk7: and you should never stop :D ... just learn how to fix the stuff the buttons break
[02:26] <James147> Daskreech: I find kde 4.6 better orginised the 4.5 ^^ though it is anoying at first
[02:26] <S74rk7> ohh dont worry... thats my intention :)
[02:26] <S74rk7> lol
[02:26] <Daskreech> quant: I guess it depends takes me maybe 3 minutes to go through a GNOME release on what's new and of course it's all new since I don't use it but like once every 4 releases they have something interesting
[02:27]  * quant is playing with kde 4.4.5 packages on debian squeeze at the moment
[02:27] <James147> Daskreech: yeah, but gnome dosnt have half as many options as kde...
[02:27] <Daskreech> quant: Course for some people that's why they use GNOME. it very rarely changes where as KDE always has this mad flurry
[02:27] <James147> quant: 4.4... thats sooo old now :p
[02:27] <Daskreech> James147: or 1/4
[02:27] <quant> James147, and stable ;-)
[02:27] <James147> quant: :p i would say 4.5 is more stable
[02:27] <quant> Daskreech, yup, true
[02:28] <Goliath> hey does ubuntu/kubuntu 10.10 livedvd contain grub1 (i want to use grub-install command)?
[02:28] <James147> ^^ at least the later versions
[02:28] <quant> James147, don't doubt the stability of debian packages in debian stable ;-)
[02:28] <Daskreech> James147: People upgrade to the last release
[02:28] <Daskreech> So upgrade from KDE 4.4.5 to KDE 4.5.5
[02:29] <Daskreech> to KDE 4.6.5 Etc
[02:29] <quant> Daskreech, its not even in unstable yet
[02:29] <quant> Daskreech, ah, sorry, thought that was directed at me
[02:29] <Daskreech> quant: Well yeah I'm actually impressed that Debian has 4.4.5 :)
[02:29] <James147> Daskreech: but isnt 4.5.5 out? so why use 4.4.5?
[02:29] <quant> Daskreech, true...
[02:30] <James147> ^^ except that debian takes forever to upgrade anythign
[02:30] <Daskreech> James147: he did say Debian. I presume that you haven't used Debian
[02:30] <quant> James147, I'll give you a link about debian releases
[02:30] <Daskreech> It has older Software than Redhat which has some really old rubbish
[02:30] <James147> Daskreech: I know about it :) dare not use it though... far to stable for my needs
[02:30] <quant> James147, http://www.debian.org/releases/
[02:31] <James147> Daskreech: dont get my started on redhat ^^ our uni uses it on their linux boxes :(
[02:32] <James147> thankfully they are moving to ubuntu :D
[02:32] <S74rk7> is redhat not a good distro?
[02:32] <S74rk7> sorry ---regarded as a decent distro :)
[02:32] <quant> S74rk7, it's all fine
[02:32] <James147> S74rk7: horrific... well, version 5 was ^^ 6 is ment to be better
[02:32] <S74rk7> why whats up with it?
[02:33]  * James147 points out that this is from trying to use 5.5 at uni.... where their gcc version was both too new and too old :p
[02:33] <James147> ^^ for somereason they had the broken version of gcc :P
[02:34] <quant> Daskreech, you might be even more surprised by xfce 4.6 in current stable
[02:35]  * S74rk7 hears jet engines lol.... James147 dude your way over my head here, gcc - sorry dude I'm a n00b still to linux..
[02:36] <James147> S74rk7: gcc is the c compiler for linux (well, and c++)
[02:36] <James147> ^^ its whats used to build most things :)
[02:36] <S74rk7> then I'll say I'll be reading up on it someday soon then :)
[02:37] <S74rk7> I wanna chop my harddrive up into loads of seperate partitions....reinstall kde...
[02:37] <S74rk7> **kububtu I mean
[02:37] <James147> S74rk7: seperate partitions for what?
[02:37] <S74rk7> I want like a whole harddrive layout...
[02:38] <James147> ^^ what layout you planning on?
[02:38] <S74rk7> so my home folder is on one partition... / on another
[02:38] <James147> :)
[02:38] <S74rk7> one for my "media"
[02:38] <S74rk7> one encrpyted with truecrypt etc etc
[02:38] <s0phie> hi Daskreech
[02:38] <s0phie> i may be back later to chat a bit
[02:39] <s0phie> have an engagement now though
[02:39] <James147> S74rk7: fair enough :) ^^ i suggest using a swap file rather then partitions, as they are more flexable :)
[02:39] <S74rk7> oh what reminds me - what protection do you get from an "encrypted home folder" ??
[02:40] <James147> ^^ an encrypted home folder
[02:40] <S74rk7> yes....
[02:40] <S74rk7> meaning?
[02:40] <Daskreech> s0phie: whooo ok :)
[02:40] <quant> S74rk7, home folder that can't be read from windows etc.
[02:40] <James147> S74rk7: ^^ means you need a passphrase to unencrypt it
[02:41] <Daskreech> quant: I dunno :) can't decide if that's surprising or not. Isn't Xfce 4.6 like a year old?
[02:41] <James147> much like true crypt
[02:41] <quant> S74rk7, so they steal your computer and then they don't get access to it...
[02:41] <quant> Daskreech, well, it's new enough for debian stable ;-)
[02:41] <quant> Daskreech, current xfce is 4.8 - it's in experimental now
[02:42] <S74rk7> ok... so say at the minute... my harddrive has 4 partitions...
[02:42] <James147> S74rk7: and anything encrypted (assuming your not using a broken algorithm) cannot be read without the key ^^
[02:43] <Daskreech> cool :)
[02:45] <S74rk7> so if they remove my harddrive from my laptop...
[02:46] <James147> S74rk7: they wont beable to read it easaly :)
[02:47] <S74rk7> they can read my windows partition etc... but my home folder which is on a seperate partition and its encrypted... and  / is on another... they won't be able to read my home folder partition even if they're mounting it in linux without my password?
[02:47] <quant> S74rk7, yes
[02:48] <S74rk7> quant: niice :)
[02:48] <quant> S74rk7, fedora offers full disk encryption on install
[02:49] <S74rk7> so how do encrypt all my partitions... home...a media partition... etc etc
[02:49] <S74rk7> ohhh ... I can do that in fedora?
[02:49] <James147> S74rk7: well, techniclly you home partition wont be encrypted, but everything in you homefolder will be stored in an encrtpyed file, that gets mounted at login
[02:49] <quant> S74rk7, pretty sure you can do it in any distro, but personally I don't know how... ask Daskreech , he knows everything! :)
[02:50]  * S74rk7 agrees with you lol
[02:52] <James147> S74rk7: you should beable to do it on any distro
[02:52] <Daskreech> I know what i don't know :)
[02:52] <S74rk7> will it be in the options somewhere when reinstalling kubuntu you think if I dig around?
[02:52] <James147> ^^ though there may be more levels of configurateion
[02:52] <quant> Daskreech, that's impossible to know! :)
[02:52] <S74rk7> lol
[02:52] <Daskreech> it is possible
[02:52] <Daskreech> But you have to know how :)
[02:53] <James147> S74rk7: There is an option to encrypt your home folder during installtion
[02:53] <quant> Daskreech, you mean you can name everything you don't know, or you can tell, when faced by a certain thing, if you know it or not? :)
[02:53] <S74rk7> Daskreech: so do I take the red pill or the blue one? :)
[02:53] <James147> (on the user setup page if i remember correctly)
[02:54]  * quant thinks that the fuzzy clock widget is pure awesome
[02:54] <S74rk7> James147: yeah I got that one... I was wondering though... it be possible to encryption different partitions if I mount them when installing also?
[02:54]  * James147 agrees
[02:54] <Goliath> hey i have ubuntu 10.10 livecd, can i use it for the grub-install command so i can install grub1 to my system?
[02:55] <James147> S74rk7: it is possible as far as I know ^^ you should be able to encrypt everything except /boot (though it might be possible to do that)
[02:55] <Daskreech> Goliath: if you lik
[02:55] <Daskreech> I think grub one might still be in the repos
[02:55] <James147> S74rk7: you may want to read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[02:55] <Goliath> Daskreech doesnt it use grub2?
[02:55] <Goliath> if i do grub-install
[02:56] <Daskreech> If you have Grub2 installed
[02:56] <Daskreech>  if you can install grub one it will use that
[02:56] <Goliath> oh
[02:56] <Goliath> Daskreech does grub2 or grub1 have different /etc/fstab files?
[02:57] <Goliath> or they are the same
[02:57]  * James147 dosnt think grub uses /etc/fstab ^^
[02:57] <Daskreech> Goliath: ? Grub doesn't even know if /etc/fstab exists
[02:58] <Goliath> how can i install grub1 from terminal?
[03:00] <Daskreech> !info grub
[03:00] <Daskreech> !info grub2
[03:00] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get remove grub2 --purge && sudo apt-get install grub
[03:00] <Goliath> over ubuntu they told be
[03:01] <Goliath> its grub-legacy package
[03:01] <James147> ^^ i think its grub-legacy
[03:01] <Daskreech> That will probably work
[03:01] <Daskreech> !info grub-legacy
[03:01] <James147> hmm
[03:01] <Daskreech> !find grub
[03:01] <Daskreech> Or not
[03:02] <Goliath> what --purge does btw?
[03:02] <Daskreech> try what I said
[03:02] <Daskreech> Goliath: dumps the config files. Grub won't be able to read the config files for grub2
[03:03] <Goliath> Daskreech ok if i do grub-install from livecd, can i install grub to another distro right?
[03:03] <Goliath> it isnt ubuntu-specific
[03:03] <Daskreech> Almost nothing on Ubuntu is ubuntu Specific
[03:04] <Goliath> ha ok
[03:04] <Daskreech> like 93% of it is either straight from or modified slightly from Debain
[03:04] <Daskreech> a lot of the rest is from Fedora
[03:05] <Daskreech> The stuff they build isn't often tied to Ubuntu
[03:05] <Daskreech> But in any case GRUB isn't even really tied to Linux. It can boot nearly anything that boots software
[03:07] <James147> although i think it needs to be 'installed' in kubuntu for it to work ^^
[03:08] <Daskreech> Yeah I think installing any software helps it work a lot better
[03:08] <Daskreech> Cloud not withstanding
[03:11] <Fieldy> !java
[03:12] <Fieldy> !partner
[03:26] <brad_> what is this?
[03:27] <Daskreech> brad_: A support channel
[03:27] <brad_> oh
[03:28] <brad_> who gives the support?
[03:28] <James147>  we do :)
[03:28] <brad_> ok I can really use it cuz im pulling my hair out
[03:29] <James147> !ask | brad_
[03:29] <Daskreech> !ask
[03:29] <James147> Daskreech: :D
[03:30]  * Daskreech shakes his Klawed Fist. I'll get you Gadget
[03:30] <brad_> I installed ubuntu 10.10 on my hp laptop. then tried to install kubuntu on it but it seems that it says im still running ubuntu 10.10. Also some of the kubuntu files were installed
[03:31] <brad_> i mean programs were installed but says im running ubuntu
[03:31] <James147> brad_: the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the desktop interface they use, and it is possible to install them side by side...
[03:31] <James147> brad_: if you do that (which you probally did) then you should be able to choose which one you wnat to loginto at the login screen (under one of the menus)
[03:31] <brad_> ok cool ill look into it
[03:32] <brad_> the other thing is im at a hotel right now and I try to connect to the wireless internet but when I run a ping test it says there no connections
[03:32] <Daskreech> brad_: When you say it says you are running Ubuntu yuo mean the bar at startup?
[03:32] <brad_> ya
[03:32] <brad_> no
[03:32] <brad_> it says Kubuntu 10.10
[03:33] <James147> brad_: but you boot into gnome?
[03:33] <brad_> but when I check what version im running under terminal it says Ubuntu 10.10
[03:33] <Daskreech> Ah what says you are running Ubuntu then?
[03:33] <Daskreech> how are you checking that?
[03:34] <brad_> what version im running?
[03:34] <James147> brad_: kubuntu is just ubuntu with the kde desktop envrioment ^^ they are functionally the same otherwise and as just the commandline dosnt distinguish the difference
[03:34] <James147> s/just/such/
[03:34] <brad_> oh ok
[03:34] <brad_> thanks
[03:34] <Daskreech> brad_: At the command line level there is no difference between having KDE having GNOME or not having Any desktop at all
[03:36] <brad_> ok now the other issue im haveing is with my wireless card connecting to a internet connection
[03:36] <James147> brad_: you are connected to the router right?
[03:36] <navatwo> Hmm, I'm trying to install kubuntu on my netbook, it is on a flash drive bceause I do not have a cd-usb drive. It gets to the `boot loader` to pick what to do, but when I hit `install Kubuntu` it goes black and thats it. Any ideas?
[03:36] <brad_> I am at a hotel but yes
[03:37] <brad_> not my persoanl router
[03:37] <James147> brad_: open a web browser and see if you get a login page when you request a web site
[03:37] <Daskreech> navatwo: try safe graphics mode
[03:38] <brad_> yes it does but all I have to do is check i agree and continue. I do that i get connected to the internet, but when i go to do a ping test  and I use ubuntu.com for example for the test it says there is no internet connection
[03:39] <James147> brad_: but your able to load webpages alright?
[03:40] <brad_> yes very slowly
[03:40] <brad_> I thought something might be wrong so i started looking into the network tools
[03:41] <James147> brad_: my guess would be the router is blocking all ports but port 80 (though i dont know which ping uses)
[03:41] <navatwo> Daskreech: no luck. :(
[03:42] <Daskreech> navatwo: what netbook?
[03:42] <navatwo> lenovo s-10
[03:42] <navatwo> it has meego on it atm
[03:42] <navatwo> s10-3*
[03:42] <James147> brad_: also, i wouldnt expect great speeds from a public hot spot :)
[03:43] <brad_> James_: ya i know but Iv been at this hotel for almost a month now so i kinda know when the high poitns and low points are. which usually the weekend is pretty good cuz everyones out drinking
[03:44] <James147> brad_: then i am not sure what else you can do :(
[03:44] <brad_> alright thanks
[03:44] <Daskreech> navatwo: try press F6 when that menu comes up. Press Esc to get back to the kernel boot line (at the bottom of the screen) at the very very end of that line put in intel_idle.max_cstate=0
[03:44] <navatwo> just tried that
[03:44] <navatwo> doesnt seem to do much
[03:45] <navatwo> ... if anything
[03:45] <Daskreech> tried acpi=off ?
[03:46] <James147> or vga=771
[03:46]  * James147 thinks it 771 at least
[03:46] <navatwo> what does that mean?
[03:47] <navatwo> but I haven't, no
[03:47] <James147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[03:47] <Daskreech> navatwo: at the end of that same line instead of the above cheat code try acpi=off
[03:48] <navatwo> nope
[03:48] <navatwo> doesn't boot
[03:49] <navatwo> there's no activity on the flash drive either
[03:50] <navatwo> it magically worked now >.<
[03:50] <Daskreech> navatwo: Does it boot elsewhere?
[03:50] <Daskreech> Yay magic!!
[03:51] <Daskreech> All Hail Gummi Berri Juice
[03:51] <navatwo> haha
[03:51] <navatwo> i just did the intel_idle hack lol
[03:52] <navatwo> meego just is not efficient for doing school work, coding, etc.
[03:56] <Daskreech> not sure it was ever intended for that
[03:57] <Daskreech> You won't find any science labs  running off Meego anytime soon
[03:57] <navatwo> haha heck no
[03:57] <navatwo> but its a netbook OS, so I gave it a shot. Also, I could not get ubuntu to boot (now I know why..)
[04:00] <Daskreech> Magic?
[04:13]  * S74rk7 has just discovered the plasma dashboard widget....
[04:14] <S74rk7> added it to my panel... widgets rock
[04:14]  * James147 agrees
[04:18] <Daskreech> Ha :)
[04:40] <Daskreech> Ok
[05:00] <handsome> whats the partion editor for kubuntu 10.10?
[05:01] <handsome> hey?
[05:03] <Daskreech> handsome: partitionmanager
[05:11] <handsome> Daskreech: whats the default admin password for kubuntu 10.10? on live cd
[05:12] <Daskreech> Thre is none
[05:15] <handsome> Daskreech:installed gparted on kubuntu but it was asking for admin password
[05:15] <Daskreech> handsome: Ok
[05:16] <Daskreech> As I said Partitionmanager is for KDE
[05:16] <Daskreech> shouldn't ask for a password though
[05:16] <handsome> sorry
[05:16] <handsome> wait
[05:17] <handsome> where can i see it?
[05:19] <Daskreech> see what?
[05:19] <handsome> partitionmanager
[05:20] <handsome> does it will open as i install kubuntu
[05:21] <Daskreech> umm Kinda
[05:22] <Daskreech> There is a partition editor in the installer.
[05:27] <folorn> ya around daskreech?
[05:30] <folorn> god i screwed my stuff up :(
[05:55] <navatwo> hmm typically I do not have problems, but for some reason my fresh kubuntu install on my netbook wont connect to my router. It states its connected but cannot locate any pages. I manually added it to the dchp table using the computers mac address.
[05:55] <navatwo> The router does not identify it as being there either
[05:56] <navatwo> typically do not have problems with wifi**
[06:02] <s0phie> The file file:///home/sophia/Downloads/XvidSetup.exe is an executable program. For safety it will not be started.
[06:02] <s0phie> ?
[06:03] <s0phie> is what chrome is telling me when i'm trying to install vlc (i think it's vlc  o_O)
[06:03] <navatwo> s0phie: run it with wine, if you know it is safe.
[06:03] <navatwo> its not.
[06:03] <navatwo> :P
[06:03] <s0phie> x.x
[06:03] <navatwo> s0phie: `sudo apt-get install vlc`
[06:04] <s0phie> kk
[06:04] <navatwo> :)
[06:38] <ubuntu_> Daskreech:thanks im gonna reboot now im done installing kubuntu
[08:51] <root__> is there a way to change the kde button?
[08:54] <tweeterweb> is there a way to change the kde button?
[08:56] <Mamarok> tweeterweb: you should not use your system as root
[08:58] <tweeterweb> Mamarok: its just an alias dont worry
[08:59] <Mamarok> tweeterweb: I guess you are talking about the "KDE button" in the panel, right?
[08:59] <Mamarok> that is the application launcher, right click on it, go to Application Launcher Settings and there you can change the icon
[08:59] <tweeterweb> Mamarok: yeah i just installed kubuntu few hours ago
[09:03] <tweeterweb> Mamarok: thanks i got it working
[09:05] <Mamarok> tweeterweb: you are welcome :)
[09:17] <davorao> Hello, does anybody know if the global-menu-extension (gecko apps) will be available in kubuntu?
[09:21] <Starminn> I uninstalled Kontact, and all but about 5 of my widgets are now gone. (all default) How can I get the widgets back?
[09:21] <Starminn> Ones that were (and are) currently in use still function perfectly, by the way. They just aren't in the menu to add them anywhere
[09:22] <Mamarok> Daviey: is it the firefox extension you are talking about or the Unity ones?
[09:22] <davorao> its the one developed by chris coulson i think
[09:22] <davorao> it will be default in unity i believe
[09:23] <Mamarok> davorao: that doesn't help
[09:23] <davorao> i talking about the firefox extension
[09:23] <davorao> i'm*
[09:23] <Mamarok> Starminn: the packages for the plasma widgets all start with "plasma-widget-" search your application installer
[09:24] <Mamarok> Daviey: it's an extension for the Gnome panel AFAIK, so I don't think it applies to KDE
[09:24] <Starminn> Mamarok: Apparently it uninstalled my package installer too.
[09:24] <Mamarok> Starminn: that is hardly possible...
[09:25] <Starminn> Mamarok: *shrug* Well, it's not where it was a little bit ago.
[09:25] <Mamarok> Starminn: did you try in the command line? the command is sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:25] <davorao> well i hoped it would since its done via dbus, and that is also implemented in agaetaus menubar for kde
[09:25] <davorao> thanks
[09:25] <Mamarok> davorao: why not use that one, then?
[09:26] <davorao> im using that, but was hoping i would be able to use it for firefox as well in kubuntu natty
[09:26] <davorao> via this extension
[09:26] <Starminn> Mamarok: Interesting. ALT+F2, "Konsole" doesn't bring anything up. Uninstalled it too? Hmmm...
[09:26] <Mamarok> davorao: you should ask questions about Natty in #ubuntu+1 anyway
[09:27] <Mamarok> Starminn: you can still use the virtual shell with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[09:27] <Starminn> Mamarok: Very true. ;)
[09:27] <Mamarok> Starminn: didn't you check what it was going to remove before applying the change?
[09:29] <Mamarok> and no, it is very unlikely it removed krunner, it probably just crashed
[09:29] <Mamarok> Starminn: which exact KDE version is this about?
[09:36] <Starminn> Mamarok: Good news, bad news.
[09:37] <Mamarok> Starminn: did yu see my previous question?
[09:38] <Starminn> Mamarok: Good news, I was able to reinstall all of the lost applications (thus I assume widgets followed suit). Bad news, I was unable to resume my X session and thus needed to reboot. Upon doing so, KDE apparently uninstalled itself, as it is not available on the login screen, so I'm back ot GNOME at the moment.
[09:38] <Starminn> Mamarok: And no, I didn't. I was stuck in virtual desktops. ;)
[09:38] <Starminn> Virtual terminals*
[09:38] <Mamarok> Starminn: which KDE version are you talking about?
[09:39] <Starminn> KDE 4.5.6 (or whatever the latest is. Upon request earlier today I update about 10 hours ago.
[09:39] <Mamarok> Starminn: KDE doesn't just uninstall itself, try installing the package kubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <Starminn> Mamarok: isn't kubuntu-desktop a meta package? I'd rather not start all over from scratch again and have to customize it and delete the default apps again
[09:40] <Starminn> Is there anything that just sets it to be available at login?
[09:41] <Mamarok> yes, it is a meta-package, and it will install eventually missing packages
[09:41] <Starminn> :(
[09:41] <Starminn> Fine, lol.
[09:41] <Mamarok> which login manager are you using, GDM or KDM?
[09:41] <Starminn> GDM
[09:41] <Mamarok> try KDE, it is likely just an error in GDM of which I have heard before
[09:42] <Mamarok> KDM*
[09:42] <Starminn> How do I switch to KDM?
[09:42] <Mamarok> install the KDM package, it will sugest to use it by default
[09:42] <Starminn> (GDM picked it up multiple instances before)
[09:42] <Starminn> I want GNOME to still be my default, though. I'm just trying out KDE
[09:42] <valorie> hi all, recently I was trying to rip a CD with soundjuicer (no good KDE ripper apps, boo), but get this error msg: Could not read the CD, Sound Juicer could not read the track listing on this CD.,Reason: Cannot access CD: The specified location is not mounted
[09:42] <Mamarok> that is not a problem
[09:43] <Mamarok> you can stiull set Gnome as default
[09:43] <Starminn> Mamarok: Alright, what's the KDM package name?
[09:43] <Mamarok> Starminn: since you are in Gnome, just search for it in the package manager :)
[09:43] <Starminn> Just kdm? (apt-cache search lists it as one)
[09:43] <Starminn> Mamarok: Ah, genius
[09:44] <Mamarok> valorie: no idea, sorry, but I guess it is the HAL/Udev bug hitting again
[09:44] <valorie> I'd just ripped two other CDs
[09:45] <Mamarok> doesn't the CD pop up the recently connected notifier? There you should be able to open it with Dolphin
[09:45] <valorie> if that's it, it's being awfully picky
[09:45] <valorie> the others yes, this one no
[09:45] <Mamarok> yes, I know, but that's a bug, not much I can do about
[09:45] <Starminn> How do I get into KDM? I still got GDM
[09:45] <Mamarok> some audio CDs are badly detected, especially those you played a lot
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> valorie:  does the cd work in another appliance?
[09:46] <valorie> actually, device notifier says only: play in Amarok
[09:46] <valorie> lol
[09:46] <valorie> no dolphin
[09:46] <Mamarok> Starminn: did you reinstall it? Didn't it suggest to set it as default?
[09:46] <valorie> so it really isn't mounted
[09:46] <Mamarok> valorie: well, then it is the HAL/udev bug I presume
[09:46] <valorie> I'll just try again tomorrow, I guess
[09:46] <Starminn> Mamarok: Nah, I hit "Install" and it installed. Done. No messages or anything. Logout, not there, so I logged back in to Gnome
[09:46] <valorie> I wish bugs would at least be consistent
[09:46] <Mamarok> valorie: or just eject and insert again several times, sometimes it suddenly works
[09:47] <Mamarok> valorie: well, since HAL and udev are both running, it confused Solid
[09:47] <Mamarok> that's a bug in KDE 4.6.x actually
[09:48] <valorie> poor thing.....
[09:48] <Mamarok> Starminn: you nedd to edit this file: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:49] <Mamarok> since it didn't ask to change it for you
[09:50] <Mamarok> Starminn: set the single line in there to /usr/bin/kdm
[09:51] <Starminn> Logout/login, Mamarok?
[09:51] <Mamarok> Starminn: you need to restart the X server
[09:52] <Mamarok> which a simple logout doesn't
[09:52] <Starminn> Mamarok: Nope. No luck.
[09:52] <Starminn> Mamarok: Still got GDM
[09:52] <Mamarok> did you restart the x server?
[09:52] <Starminn> Mamarok: Yes I did.
[09:52] <Mamarok> a simple logout doesn't do that
[09:52] <Starminn> CTRL+ALT+Backspace does it.
[09:53] <Mamarok> not exactly, it kills the X server and restarts the last known
[09:53] <Mamarok> Starminn: and KDE still doesn't show up?
[09:54] <Starminn> Mamarok: Oh. Poopy. How do I go about restarting it, then? "restart x"?
[09:54] <Mamarok> Starminn: log out and select that option in GDM
[09:57] <Starminn> Mamarok: Nope. KDM launched, but no KDE desktop choice.
[09:57] <Mamarok> Starminn: then something is missing in your KDE installation, did you try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop?
[09:58] <Starminn> Mamarok: No, we were trying to avoid that. ;)
[09:58] <Starminn> Mamarok: But I will. :/
[09:58] <Mamarok> Starminn: why? that only installs what is missing in KDE
[09:58] <Mamarok> to have  running KDE
[09:58] <Mamarok> kubuntu-desktop is very basic
[09:59] <Starminn> Mamarok: I would imagine that the package's idea of "missing" and my idea of "missing" aren't exactly the same thing.
[09:59] <Starminn> Mamarok: For example, I did not need the app Kontacts, yet when I deleted it, it decided to destroy everything.
[09:59] <Mamarok> Starminn: well, you apparently did remove essential packages, so you should trust that meta-package :)
[09:59] <Starminn> Kontacts is essential?
[09:59] <Mamarok> not at all
[09:59] <Mamarok> the kde-pim package is not default
[10:00] <Starminn> What is kde-pim?
[10:00] <Mamarok> ant it is kontact, not kontacts
[10:00] <Starminn> (Been running KDE since last night, so I'm not familiar with the "K*" lingo)
[10:00] <Mamarok> pim = Personal Information Manager, aka kontact
[10:01] <Starminn> Mamarok: Upon installing kubuntu-desktop last night I got Kontact. And I know I didn't put it there much less did I have it in GNOME)
[10:01] <Mamarok> well, then just don't use it
[10:01] <Starminn> But I don't want it there. So I should be able to uninstall it.
[10:01] <Mamarok> and file a bug, as it should not remove KDE on unistalling
[10:02] <Mamarok> Starminn: do you have so little space?
[10:03] <Starminn> Mamarok: Not particularly. I've got 5GB left on this partition, but  it is my opinion that if I want or don't want something then I, as a user, should very well be able to make that decision for myself.
[10:03] <Starminn> (My music and most images are stored on Windows partition with 20GB leftover. I never use Windows but it's become my "junk" partition since most "junk" wasthere already)
[10:04] <Mamarok> Starminn: well, apparenlty there is a packaging error, since removing kontact did remove kdebase packages, and that is definitley a bug
[10:05] <Mamarok> so please file a bug
[10:06] <Starminn> Mamarok: I'm going to get into KDE and remove Kontact first thing just to make sure that's what it is. If the same happens I'll come back and let you know and file a bug
[10:07] <Mamarok> I just hope he is checking what will be removed before doing so, it would spare him some time...
[10:20] <Starminn> Mamarok: Well, killing Kontact didn't do anything (before it asked to remove a bunch of stuff), and since it said it would isntall all of the same stuff I said "sure! Why not!?" though I guess that wasn't smart)
[10:20] <Starminn> Mamarok: Anyway, so that's good, however I seem to be unable to "Resume Desktop Effects" because of a non-existent error.
[10:22] <Starminn> Mamarok: http://imagebin.org/145322
[10:23] <nishmu> Is there a graphical front end of recordmydesktop for kubuntu?
[10:28] <raymears> hi everyone. weird situation here: using 10.10 with kde4.6 and i have a small performance issue with compositing and i think i found out why
[10:28] <tweeterweb> hello everyone is there a way i can put a shorcut of chatzilla from kde menu im usnig kubuntu 10.10 by the way
[10:29] <raymears> glxinfo | grep direct -> tells me that "direct rendering: Yes" is enabled. (using ati proprietary drivers); Now, if i do a kwin --replace from the console it tells me: "Direct rendering:                       no
[10:29] <raymears> "
[10:32] <raymears> tweeterweb:  what do you mean exactly? do you want a shortcut to chatzilla placed in your kde menu?
[10:33] <raymears> regarding my issue: does anyone know why i have this issue and/or how i can work around it?
[10:33] <tweeterweb> raymears: yes
[10:33] <raymears> right click on the menu button -> edit applications
[10:34] <raymears> browse through the menu and pick the directory that  you want your shortcut to be placed in...
[10:34] <raymears> say.. "internet"
[10:34] <raymears> right click on it, choose "new item"
[10:35] <tweeterweb> raymears: im on there already my prob i dont which file from /home/user/.mozilla/firefox/py61xhtu.default/chatzilla  file
[10:35] <nishmu> I have intsalled recordmydesktop and mencoder plugin. When I enter the command "recordmydesktop", it says "No protocol specified
[10:35] <nishmu> Cannot connect to X server :0" Any ideas?
[10:36] <raymears> oh. i was not aware that chatzilla was a firefox addon. i thought it was some standalone app
[10:36] <raymears> sorry :)
[10:36] <tweeterweb> raymears: yeah
[10:37] <raymears> tweeterweb: is there an external launcher for it?
[10:38] <tsimpson> nishmu: are you trying to run recordmydesktop as root (sudo)?
[10:38] <nishmu> tsimpson: Yes
[10:38] <raymears> tweeterweb: if there is and you don't know which one to use just navigate into that folder using the console and look for executables
[10:38] <tsimpson> nishmu: don't
[10:39] <tsimpson> :)
[10:39] <tweeterweb> raymears: i can start chatzilla from command line "firefox -chat"
[10:39] <tweeterweb> raymears: from Konsole
[10:39] <tsimpson> nishmu: it should be run as the user who is logged into X
[10:39] <raymears> tweeterweb: well then, put that command into the new shortcut.
[10:40] <nishmu> tsimpson: Thanks, but now it says it has got problems with sound. http://pastebin.com/UWeiaxhK
[10:42] <nishmu> tsimpson: Running with --no-sound flag records the screen, so i think the only problem is with sound as it says.
[10:43] <tsimpson> yeah
[10:43] <nishmu> tsimpson: Nevermind http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763610 helped me
[10:43] <tsimpson> nishmu: I did find recorditnow, a KDE front-end for recordmydesktop
[10:44] <nishmu> tsimpson: There is no install package for it "apt-get install recorditnow". --> Unable to locate package
[10:44] <tsimpson> !info recorditnow
[10:45] <tsimpson> you may have to enable the multiverse repository
[10:45] <nishmu> yep, thanks.
[11:01] <ninlgde> hello
[11:16] <asraniel> hi. i have a serious kwallet issue since 4.6.1. When i login, kwallet tells me that there have been several attemps to open kwallet from an application (kmail) that failed and that this appis probably misbehaving. Then kmail forgets all the passwords and i have to enter them all the time. at least restarting kontact solves the problem, but it is really annoying
[11:16] <asraniel> is there a way to fix it?
[11:17] <asraniel> 4.6.1 is really the worst release since a long time. 4.5 and 4.6 where really good, but somehow 4.6.1 broke everything
[11:20] <[mors]> hi gents
[11:20] <[mors]> kmail 1.13.5 is copying html to the clipboard instead of the plain text I read on e.mails.... gah
[11:20] <[mors]> fixy fix ?
[11:24] <tsimpson> [mors]: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/707135
[11:25] <[mors]> interestingly did not happen with 10.10 stack install + updaates
[11:25] <[mors]> **stock
[11:35] <raymears> nobody?
[11:35] <raymears> (sorry. wrong channel)
[12:06] <Dhezmoth> hello
[12:32] <evdvelde> Hi all, does anyone use google addressbook + kontact? kaddressbook takes ages to load the addressbook here, after which it is shown empty :(
[13:04] <romero_> all english?
[13:05] <romero_> ola?
[13:06] <Peace-> romero_: ?
[13:08] <romero_> oi?
[13:08] <romero_> hi Peace?
[13:09] <romero_> lol
[13:09] <romero_> i dnt know make in here
[13:45] <JuJuBee> All of a sudden this morning I can't use sites that use flash.  Working fine over weekend.  I have libFlashPlayer.so in my mozillia dir and my chrome dir (/opt/google/chrome/)
[13:51] <[mors]> JuJuBee: eprhaps you have flash 10.2 ?
[13:51] <[mors]> see if reverting to flash 10.0 helps
[13:53] <JuJuBee> [mors]: downloaded the latest 64bit from adobe and put it in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ now working fine.  Thanks though.
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:49] <hyper_ch> hi there, do I need to enable something special to make AES-NI support in the cpu work?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, 64bit ?
[14:55] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: y
[14:56] <naftilos76> hello everyone, can you please have a look at   http://paste.ubuntu.com/586461/  ?
[14:57] <hyper_ch> naftilos76: any reason you want to run smb?
[14:57]  * hyper_ch shivers of thinking about smb over internet
[14:58] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4560283/how-to-enable-intel-aes-ni-support-in-linux-kernel
[14:58] <naftilos76> because i will have access through windows as well
[14:59] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: great if you can enabled/disable it on kernel leve... means I can run some benchmarks :)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> nata, why not use ssh / vnc , much safer
[15:01] <hyper_ch> (I was thinking of using sshfs but not sure if windows has any support)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, never used it ..all my pxcs are amd
[15:02] <BluesKaj> pxcs=pcs
[15:02] <BluesKaj> and the one intel is wifey's W7 machine , no linux allowed there :)
[15:02] <navatwo> hmm typically I do not have problems with wifi, but for some reason my fresh kubuntu install on my netbook wont connect to my router. It states its connected but cannot locate any pages. I manually added it to the dchp table using the computers mac address (the router doesn't see it though)
[15:03] <mu3en> navatwo have you checked /etc/resolv.conf
[15:03] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: well, I just got for a co-worked a new HP notebook with aes-ni.... hence I'm kind of curious about performance gain
[15:03] <navatwo> mu3en: no, what am I looking for?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> benchmarking is ok ,but I don't see the point with the new cpus out there
[15:04] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: new cpus?
[15:05] <navatwo> mu3en: it looks correct.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> <--not a gamer so speed isn't real important , as long as the graphics holds up on this media server pc
[15:06] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: luks/dm-crypt noticebly slow down computers
[15:06] <hyper_ch> especially when working with large files
[15:06] <hyper_ch> hence AES-NI support
[15:06] <mu3en> navatwo it should have a single line at least: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> (to use google dns)
[15:06] <BluesKaj> no intels on my linuxboxes
[15:07] <hyper_ch> :)
[15:07] <Abhijit> hello. can i ask someone to reproduce one bug in kde? becaue i dont have kde? you can reproduce it and file it please?
[15:07] <navatwo> mu3en: it has four lines, domain, search and two nameservers
[15:08] <BluesKaj> navatwo, don't think mac  address is real important , the route (router IP) pw and adress IP are more so .
[15:08] <mu3en> navatwo: you could comment those line (put # in front) and add nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:09] <BluesKaj> navatwo, do iwconfig and pastebin the output pls
[15:09] <nata> you call me BluesKaj?
[15:10] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, anybody know if I can make the "Print to File / PDF" option in Kubuntu available to my entire network?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> nata, no , but welcome :)
[15:10] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: any good idea on how to migrate over the old system onto the new notebook: I was thinking about booting up both with a live distro but how would I dd /dev/sda to /dev/sda on the new one over lan
[15:12] <nata> BluesKaj: hehe
[15:12] <navatwo> BluesKaj: mu3en paste.villavu.com/show/536/
[15:12] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, just to copy files to /home  or the whole image ?
[15:13] <navatwo> hyper_ch: use sftp
[15:15] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: copy the whole disk of the old notebook as image to the new notebook over LAN
[15:16] <Captain_Haddock> anybody?
[15:16] <navatwo> hyper_ch: use sftp.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, dd if=/dev/sdx of=/someCD.iso
[15:17] <navatwo> open nautilus/dolphin and navigate to: sftp://$USER@$HOST/
[15:17] <hyper_ch> the only way that comes to my mind on achieving that is boot live cd on old notebook and do to a mounted usb drive:  dd if=/dev/sda /mnt/extUSB/image.iso   and then on the new notebook boot it up with live cd, attach usb and do then   dd if=/mnt/extUSB/image.iso  /dev/sda
[15:17] <navatwo> hyper_ch: I've told you how to do it three times now..
[15:17] <navatwo> you do not need to mess with dd
[15:18] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, not sure that will work , the / mount path has to be described in the of , I think ...never done it\
[15:18] <navatwo> but you will have to fix your permissions on the new /home/
[15:19] <mu3en> navatwo does ifconfig show an IP for the same interface?
[15:19] <eagles0513875> hey guys im just wondering
[15:19] <eagles0513875> is it possible to setup linux on a usb external drive and boot off of that?
[15:19] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: What's the problem?
[15:19] <meganerdca> mu3en: use ip addr instead
[15:20] <Daskreech> eagles0513875: yes. That's what the USB live CD is
[15:20] <eagles0513875> hey hyper_ch
[15:20] <eagles0513875> im just wondering cuz i need to pilfer one of my hard drives :) andi dont wanna put linux on my 500gb internal as thats for windows and games
[15:21] <meganerdca> eagles0513875: yes it is.   It does so because I have it setup to have a const ip
[15:21] <eagles0513875> nice meganerdca
[15:21] <navatwo> (on the router)
[15:21] <eagles0513875> ok meganerdca kool :)
[15:21] <Daskreech> !usb | eagles0513875
[15:21] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: i know about usb pen drives
[15:21] <eagles0513875> what about usb external hard disks
[15:21] <Daskreech> The second may be what you are looking for
[15:22] <Daskreech> Same idea
[15:22] <Daskreech> They pop up as a /dev/sdX the same way
[15:22] <BluesKaj> yup, my son did that and it worked for all his windows pc files when his windows mbr got corrupted , hyper_ch
[15:22] <eagles0513875> so i boot off of a usb drive then i tell it to install kubuntu to the external drive and im golden :)
[15:22] <eagles0513875> sweet
[15:22] <meganerdca> eagles0513875: just do a regular install with the USB device attached, then choose that drive
[15:23] <eagles0513875> koolness
[15:23] <meganerdca> eagles0513875: when I want to use that drive I manually choose it from the bios boot menu
[15:23] <mu3en> navatwo, okay, so with the resolv.conf set to nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>, does it still not work?
[15:23] <eagles0513875> meganerdca: shouldnt have to if you have a boot menu u can use
[15:23] <meganerdca> Daskreech: that link is really only useful for pendrives, not really what the OP was looking for
[15:23] <meganerdca> eagles0513875: ignore that link that you were sent
[15:24] <meganerdca> eagles0513875: I use this drive on a number of computers, and only infreqently, so BIOS menu works for me.
[15:24] <Daskreech> It is possible to have Ubuntu or Kubuntu on a USB drive (AKA USB Stick or Thumb drive or Flash drive) or USB hard disk drive with persistent mode
[15:24] <Daskreech> From the very first sentence
[15:24] <Daskreech> To Emphasise "It is possible to have Ubuntu or Kubuntu on a USB drive (AKA USB Stick or Thumb drive or Flash drive) or  >> USB hard disk drive <<
[15:24] <navatwo> mu3en: do I need to restar the connection?
[15:25] <meganerdca> Daskreech: persistent mode is not the same as a native install
[15:25] <eagles0513875> ok Daskreech
[15:25] <meganerdca> FWIW, I am not a fan of persistent mode.
[15:25] <Daskreech> meganerdca: I don't recall them asking that they just wanted to boot off it to save a drive.
[15:25] <Daskreech> in any case an install will work the same way.
[15:26] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:26] <Daskreech> Just thought if they had a CD they would have just booted off one
[15:26] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, so what did you decide ?
[15:26] <Daskreech> If they don't they would have to boot off a USB to install to a USB to boot off the other USB which seems silly to me
[15:27] <mu3en> not normally, not navatwo
[15:27] <navatwo> mu3en: the file is reset each time I have to restart the connection
[15:27] <mu3en> yes
[15:27] <meganerdca> Daskreech: not as silly as you might think.
[15:27] <mu3en> navatwo you do not need to restart though
[15:27] <Daskreech> but again if the idea is just to boot then either persistent or an install would work but it sounds to me that persistent would be easier
[15:27] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: sorry, been on the phone.... yeah, doing with a external attached drive is doable... I just wonder if there's a direct way doing it over the LAN
[15:27] <mu3en> navatwo, resolv.conf takes immediate effect once saved
[15:27] <Daskreech> meganerdca: for a one time boot it would be ;)
[15:28] <navatwo> mu3en: does not work :
[15:28] <navatwo> :(
[15:28] <BluesKaj> navatwo, try running sudo dhclient
[15:28] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: What are you trying ot do?
[15:28] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: imaging harddisk on one notebook to another one
[15:28] <mu3en> that will do your dhcp connect fresh
[15:28] <mu3en> and give you feedback during
[15:28] <meganerdca> hyper_ch: are the drives the same size?
[15:28] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: just do it across ssh
[15:29] <hyper_ch> meganerdca: old is 240gb, new is 500gb... those are luks devices and can be expanded
[15:29] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: dd with block access works over ssh?
[15:29] <navatwo> mu3en: and BluesKaj the dhclient command worked..\
[15:29] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: Yes
[15:29] <Diegso> Hello
[15:29] <Daskreech> Hi Diegso
[15:29] <mu3en> also, navatwo, any manual settings in /etc/network/interfaces interfere with knetworkmanager
[15:29] <meganerdca> hyper_ch: depending on how comfortable with the CLI you are, I have tended to use ddrescue + netcat or ncat
[15:30] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: something like   dd if=/dev/sda | ssh user@remote "dd of=/dev/sda"   ?
[15:30] <mu3en> a priori /etc/network/interfaces should only have the 'lo' line
[15:30] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: something like that :)
[15:30] <navatwo> mu3en: and if I wanted to reset the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[15:30] <mu3en> should contain only two lines
[15:30] <navatwo> (i didnt touch it.)
[15:30] <navatwo> kk it has more
[15:30] <mu3en> ah
[15:30] <mu3en> okay
[15:31] <mu3en> these two are necessary
[15:31] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: I might try that... the open that works is an intermediary external drive which can be mounted and the image being stored as .iso.... but doing it directly is faster
[15:31] <mu3en> auto lo
[15:31] <Diegso> I'd like to administer a remote PC with kubuntu installed, via Xkdmc. Remote access works, but when trying to install applications, the system tells me to have insufficient priviledges. What must I do to grant administration privilidges to remote user?
[15:31] <mu3en> iface lo inet loopback
[15:31] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: you can dd from the drive to an ISO
[15:32] <Daskreech> Diegso: setup sudo
[15:33] <hyper_ch> Daskreech: yes, I know... but I'm looking for a faster way than going through an external usb to store and then retrieve it from
[15:33] <mu3en> diegso: man visudo (need to edit the sudoers file)
[15:33] <Daskreech> !sudo
[15:33] <BluesKaj> navatwo, mu3en , fooling with /etc/network/interfaces without deleting the networkmanager is self defeating cause it gets rewritten on bootup
[15:33] <navatwo> mu3en: not really sure what was changed, but it works.
[15:33] <navatwo> the dhclient command did it
[15:33] <hyper_ch> 250GB.... on 100mbit lan... how long to transfer /me grabs calculator
[15:33] <navatwo> but thats tedious to do each time..
[15:33] <mu3en> BluesKaj, navatwo: good to hear!
[15:33] <Daskreech> hyper_ch: ssh is about as fast as a normal dd with network latency
[15:33] <mu3en> BluesKaj, not sure /etc/network/interfaces is used by network manager
[15:34] <mu3en> /etc/resolv.conf surely is
[15:34] <hyper_ch> well, "fastest" way would be to switch harddisks, but not sure if that would void warranty
[15:34] <mu3en> but my /etc/network/interfaces always stays empty with just the lo lines
[15:34] <mu3en> and if i add any kind of other lines (eth0, wlan0, etc...) then the networkmanager stops treating those interfaces...
[15:35] <meganerdca> mu3en: why are you using /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:35] <BluesKaj>  /etc/network/interfaces affects network manager . let's put it that way
[15:35] <mu3en> meganerdca
[15:35] <mu3en> meganerdca, i'm not
[15:36] <mu3en> meganerdca but sometimes it gets written and then it screws up network managers
[15:36] <mu3en> meganerdca seems to always be top of the reasons why people's wifi/enet doesn't work
[15:36] <BluesKaj> I don't use network manager personally ..ethernet  on static IP /lan here
[15:37] <meganerdca> mu3en: interesting, I have not seen that.
[15:37] <mu3en> either that or /etc/resolv.conf getting set to something odd like <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:37] <meganerdca> I use /etc/network/interfaces all the time on our servers and routers, but have not needed to touch it on my laptop in a long time.
[15:38] <navatwo> ohh
[15:38] <meganerdca> mu3en: there are not a lot of Linux users around here, so I don't see that a lot :)
[15:38] <mu3en> BluesKaj, if you have a desktop machine, or a server, then you actually do all your config via /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf if you are on a notebook/tablet/etc... and roaming a lot, network manager saves time
[15:38] <BluesKaj> I have the nameserver dns IP set in the router , resolv.conf doesn't seem to need it
[15:38] <navatwo> I think I know why /etc/network/interfaces was set.. when I installed, I had to manually specify my wireless info
[15:39] <meganerdca> mu3en: <IP_ADDRESS> for a nameserver entry should still work, unless the network you are on blocks outbound DNS requests
[15:40] <BluesKaj> mu3en, well wifi requires NM for convenience . mu3en , agreed :)
[15:40] <mu3en> meganerdca: i always set mine manually to <IP_ADDRESS>, especially if using connman, which seems to set it to <IP_ADDRESS> after suspend...bizarre
[15:41] <mu3en> navatwo, in effect if you are manually installing then you end up adding some lines in there on the command line. need to remember to remove them again after!
[15:43] <meganerdca> mu3en: that is bizarre.  I use <IP_ADDRESS> most of the time (I install bind as a local caching nameserver) except at home and at work
[15:43] <meganerdca> mu3en: I have not seen it get added or changed unless I do it.
[15:44] <mu3en> meganerdca, the install is very minimal on that (tablet) machine, so i guess nothing runs on localhost (but resolv.conf is rewritten by connmand and it is noted in a comment at the top of the file)
[15:45] <mu3en> meganerdca, strangely, on first boot, it sets my regular dns, but after suspend/disconnect it resets that...
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I've never been able to get wpa_supplicant to work with /network/interfaces..seen a few tutorials claiming how easy it is to so but the instructions haven't worked for my belkin ralink usb adapter ..wicd does tho.
[15:45] <pradeepbp> how do i channel list in quassel
[15:45] <pradeepbp> how do i get a channel list in quassel ?
[15:47] <DarthFrog> pradeepbp:  Try "/list".
[15:47] <BluesKaj> pradeepbp, /list in the server textbox
[15:48] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: the interfaces file and wpa_supplicant worked fine for me
[15:48] <mu3en> BluesKaj, it does work to do it full manual with wpasupplicant and /etc/network/interfaces
[15:48] <Daskreech> !alis | pradeepbp
[15:50] <BluesKaj> meganerdca, mu3en , laptops , right? , not a usb wifi adapter I bet ./
[15:50] <mu3en> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/8344/
[15:57] <BluesKaj> mu3en, I see you have the same IP for dns-nameservers as the gateway ...the dns servers are set in the router ?
[15:58] <mu3en> BluesKaj: got a feeling that i've used roughly the same setup with a usb key too. and yes, that is a VERY old config where the router did NS!
[15:58] <BluesKaj> that's the way I have it setup , resolv.conf is left alone
[15:58] <mu3en> right
[15:58] <mu3en> good for stable connections
[15:59] <mu3en> one point in that config was to convert the passphrase used in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:00] <mu3en> it's fundamentally 'insecure' i guess, but ou could do it vis an encrypted file or so on instead if you felt like it.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> mu3en, well wifi is a fine with wicd now so I don't fiddle with the supplicant anymore , but I had no ralink wifi for about a yr til wicd was fixed
[16:01] <BluesKaj> NM worked at first , but then it quit after one day, with no updates
[16:01] <mu3en> hehe yeah, wicd does the trick now for sure
[16:02] <mu3en> in general liking connman (especially under e17)
[16:02] <BluesKaj> this is on 10.10
[16:02] <JackNocturne> hello, i'm trying to install kde on a ubuntu 10.04 server platform, but it tells me kde-core cannot be found. How come?
[16:03] <Riddell> JackNocturne: there's no such package
[16:03] <JackNocturne> I'm aware it is a metapackage, but shouldn't it install anyway?
[16:04] <Riddell> JackNocturne: as I say, that's no such package
[16:04] <Riddell> JackNocturne: I recommend kubuntu-desktop
[16:04] <JackNocturne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[16:05]  * Daskreech seconds the recommendation
[16:05] <JackNocturne> check first list
[16:05] <Riddell> JackNocturne: that looks very out of date
[16:05] <mu3en> hmm...
[16:06] <Daskreech> Riddell: There isn't really an equal for that in KDE4's reign is there?
[16:06] <JackNocturne> thanks for the info Rendell, i will install kubuntu-desktop.
[16:08] <JackNocturne> my mistake, Riddell not Rendell
[16:08] <BluesKaj> if at first you don't succeed , install kubuntu desktop. That's a good motto :)
[16:09] <DarthFrog> At first, install kubuntu-desktop.  That's a better one. :-)
[16:09] <BluesKaj> especially now that gnome seems to be splitting into 2 camps
[16:11] <Daskreech> It is?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Mr Shuttleworth has to make a decision soon
[16:12] <DarthFrog> About what?
[16:12] <meganerdca> Daskreech: not Gnome, Ubuntu
[16:12] <BluesKaj> BBL .... stuff to do
[16:13] <Daskreech> Gnome is doing GNOME Shell
[16:13] <Daskreech> Ubuntu is doing Unity and GNOME shell
[16:13] <Daskreech> what's the splitting?
[16:13] <meganerdca> Daskreech: there isn't one
[16:13] <Daskreech> ah ok
[16:13] <meganerdca> Daskreech: just FUD and blowhards with blogs
[16:18] <BluesKaj> meganerdca, more than just that, there's some serious disagreement and complaining going on in #ubuntu about it .
[16:19] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: perhaps in #ubuntu, but upstream where the real work happens there does not seem to be a lot of noise
[16:20] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Well that happens every release :)
[16:21] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: there is a lot of interesting things happening right now, I would not get too invested in any of it right now
[16:22] <Daskreech> You can install GNOME Shell, Unity and as I understand it Gnome 2 so there shouldn't be that much of an issue
[16:22] <BluesKaj> meganerdca, that's because those guys are afarid to show their hands , beleive me there's a rift coming ..been on thses chats for 7 yrs now and I haven't seen this kind of political infighting since the introduction of pulesaudio
[16:22] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:22] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: Wayland is more interesting IMO than this.
[16:23] <Daskreech> If anything they can just go to Debian for a few years if they really really really don't like KDE
[16:23] <BluesKaj> fine , but wayland is pretty far into the future
[16:23] <Daskreech> and Gnome hardcore really really really don't like KDE
[16:23] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, too bad for them , I say :)
[16:24] <kujules> I am sorry. Can kubuntu-user use every ubuntu-package or debian-package?
[16:24] <Daskreech> Yeah. The options they have if they don't like GNOME shell are Xfce and WIndows
[16:24] <BluesKaj> they probly watch cartoonsa all day too , to get their anim fix
[16:24] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: This whole political infighting thing is overblown.  Outside of #ubuntu, it seems more business as usual.
[16:24] <Daskreech> kujules: in some theory yes
[16:24] <DarthFrog> The origin of GNOME was to be anti-KDE.  Right from the start, they wanted nothing to do with KDE.
[16:25] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: yes but it's probably grown even stronger over time
[16:25] <BluesKaj> meganerdca, well, your entitled to your opinion , but I disagree.
[16:25] <kujules> what Kpackage shows, kubuntu-users can "use"?
[16:25] <Daskreech> kujules: correct
[16:26] <DarthFrog> !repo | kujules
[16:26] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: It's the same thing that happened with KDE 4 but just they are getting reactions before hand because they are a lot more public. Mostly because they aer trying to avoid KDE 4.0
[16:26] <DarthFrog> kujules: If the repository is correctly set up in Kubuntu, you can use the packages in it.
[16:26] <kujules> okie
[16:27] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: thats fine.  I stopped getting worked up about these sorts of things before Ubuntu even came along.  I have seen these so called issues come and go.
[16:27] <DarthFrog> KDE 4.0 was an unfortunate release.  It should not have been a .0 name.
[16:27] <meganerdca> BluesKaj: pulseaudio was a fart compared to the hurricane of ALSA vs OSS
[16:27] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: it also shouldn't have been in distros
[16:28] <meganerdca> DarthFrog: the distros screwed KDE 4, the KDE ppl were very clear on what 4.0 was and was not
[16:28] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Exactly.  Which is why it shouldn't have been named .0.  The distros figured it was ready for prime-time.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, kde4 was difficult at first , I didn't like it much due to it's probs on my setup, but eventually the fixes won me over
[16:29] <Goliath> hey i am restoring my grub with grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt/root (should i include the --no-floppy)?
[16:29] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: shows a little ignorance as to how Distros work but.. :)
[16:29] <DarthFrog> meganerdca: By naming it .0 and intending it to be a development release, went against the grain.
[16:29] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: The distros want the latest and greatest. :-)
[16:30] <DarthFrog> Anyway, all this is off-topic.
[16:30] <Daskreech> Goliath: umm. I guess you could what you have should be fine
[16:30] <Goliath> Daskreech: i have no floppy
[16:31] <Daskreech> Goliath: in that case it really will not make any difference :)
[16:31] <Goliath> oh kk
[16:32] <BluesKaj> offtopic it may be but there was no activity in here yesterday for almost 2 hrs ...so a little activity today is a good thing
[16:33] <BackToBack> Hi'
[16:34] <Daskreech> hi BackToBack
[16:34]  * BluesKaj looks at elcheapo laptops for summer trips
[16:34] <Daskreech> 50 dollah LapTap!
[16:35] <BluesKaj> well under 500 , or so
[16:36] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  My Dell Inspiron 15N (came with Ubuntu installed) was only US$299. :-)
[16:36] <Goliath> Daskreech: hey should i run grub-install as sudo ?
[16:39] <Daskreech> Goliath: yes
[16:39] <Goliath> Daskreech: is it a problem if i run the script 2 times?
[16:39] <Daskreech> Goliath: Nope
[16:39] <Daskreech> It's a clobber event
[16:39] <Goliath> !google clobber
[16:40] <Daskreech> ha ha ha
[16:40] <Daskreech> Goliath: In UNIX a clobber event is one which destroys whatever is there before without warning you
[16:41] <Goliath> nice
[16:41] <Daskreech> So if you copy something into a directory that has a file of the same name then the old file just gets clobbered
[16:41] <Goliath> so it means overwrite
[16:42] <Daskreech> when you install grub it clobbers what ever was there before (including itself)
[16:42] <Daskreech> Goliath: It means overwrite without warning
[16:42] <Goliath> Daskreech: btw i used gparted and change my partitions, so i need to update fstab now
[16:42] <Goliath> Daskreech: is there any guide for that?
[16:42] <Goliath> i will use blkid to get the new uuids
[16:43] <Daskreech> Ahmm.. A guide? Hmm the #kubuntu channel? :)
[16:43] <Goliath> Daskreech: btw is /etc/fstab distro depended?
[16:43] <Daskreech> but you are on the right path back up the fstab and then use blkid to replace the IDs and you should be ok
[16:43] <Daskreech> No it's not
[16:44] <Daskreech> it's part of the SysV Unix standard
[16:44] <Goliath> so it never changes?
[16:44] <Daskreech> Popular enough that things like udev and upstart support it
[16:44] <Goliath> or gets updated
[16:44] <Daskreech> Not that often
[16:44] <Daskreech> Never is a strong word
[16:46] <Goliath> Daskreech: this is my fstab http://pastebin.com/v3SXDZU5
[16:46] <Goliath> i just change the uuids at the bottom lines?
[16:46] <ct529> hi everybody, I have a serious problem here .... when you maximise / minimise konsole the entire desktop freezes .... 10.10 64 bit with kde 4.6.1 same problem with kde 4.6.0
[16:46] <ct529> I have googled and it seems to be kubuntu specific
[16:47] <Daskreech> Goliath: correct
[16:47] <Daskreech> ct529: That's possible
[16:47] <ct529> Daskreech: what do you mean?
[16:47] <Goliath> Daskreech: does it matter if they are logical partitions or not? cause my /home and swap used to be primary now i made them logical
[16:47] <Daskreech> ct529: That it is Kubuntu specific
[16:48] <Daskreech> Goliath: not to Fstab
[16:48] <Daskreech> Grub really wants /boot to be primary but that's about it
[16:48] <Goliath> Daskreech: ok also, i created with windowsXP a primary ntfs partition, i have its uuid, what should i write in fstab to mount it?
[16:49] <Daskreech> Same thing as the rest
[16:49] <Daskreech> the UUID
[16:49] <Daskreech> ntfs
[16:49] <Goliath> UUID=ec8d8c1b-bf47-4f10-982d-856b472cbabe /windows ntfs defaults 0 1
[16:49] <Daskreech> where you want it to mount
[16:49] <Goliath> for example?
[16:49] <Daskreech> yes
[16:49] <Goliath> or ntfs-3g?
[16:49] <Daskreech> ntfs-3g
[16:50] <Goliath> ok ty
[16:51] <Goliath> Daskreech: btw would i need to change any grub config? (i use grub1 btw)
[16:51] <Daskreech> Probably
[16:51] <Goliath> Daskreech: which one?
[16:52] <ct529> Daskreech: yes .... but what is the solution?
[16:52] <Daskreech> ct529: don't know I never heard of that before You could ask in #kubuntu-devel if there is a fix
[16:53] <Peace-> ct529: hi :P
[16:53] <Peace-> hi channel :)
[16:53] <Daskreech> Hello Peace-
[16:53] <Peace-> hey Daskreech
[16:55] <Goliath> hey i changed some of my partitions with gparted, i updated my fstab. Do i need to do anything with grub configs? (grub1 here)
[16:55] <Peace-> i guess uuid
[16:56] <Peace-> should be fixed
[16:56] <Peace-> Goliath: google how to get uuid
[16:56] <Goliath> i have uuid
[16:56] <Pici> !uuid
[16:58] <ct529> Peace:hi there
[17:03] <Daskreech> Goliath: If you didn't change the order of the partitions then no
[17:04] <Daskreech> Pici: Grub doesn't use UUID
[17:04] <Goliath> Daskreech: what is the grub config file?
[17:04] <Goliath> i can check its uuids to be sure
[17:04] <Daskreech> Should be in /boot
[17:04] <Pici> Daskreech: I was just answering the 'google how to get uuid' question, I probably should have read more of the backscroll.
[17:05] <DarthFrog> Goliath: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:05] <Goliath> Daskreech: i cant see it
[17:05] <Goliath> pff
[17:06] <Daskreech> Goliath: What DarthFrog said
[17:06] <Daskreech> or .. croaked
[17:06] <Pici> heh
[17:06] <Daskreech> It's hard to work out over the internet :)
[17:06] <DarthFrog> Ribbet!
[17:07] <Daskreech> Pici: sorry :) Peace-: Grub does not use UUID it has it's own method of finding paritions
[17:07] <Goliath> Daskreech: there isnt a cfg in my /boot/grub
[17:07] <Daskreech> Kroak!
[17:07] <DarthFrog> Goliath: That's for GRUB 2.  If you have GRUB 1, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:07] <Goliath> DarthFrog: i cant find that either
[17:07] <Goliath> DarthFrog: maybe it got deleted?
[17:08] <Goliath> i just used grub-install to install grub
[17:08] <DarthFrog> Goliath: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[17:08] <Daskreech> Goliath: install a kernel
[17:09] <Daskreech> part of the install procedure is to rebuild that file
[17:09] <Goliath> Daskreech: i found it
[17:09] <Goliath> was looking at the livecds /boot
[17:09] <Daskreech> lol :)
[17:09] <Daskreech> That did seem strange
[17:09] <ubergoat> hi everyone
[17:27] <elijah> When I am in chrome, and download a file, then right click and select "show in folder", dolphin opens but doesn't focus in foreground, it does flash in the menu bar but no focus, where do I change focus setting priorities again?
[17:28] <Daskreech> elijah: press alt+ctrl+A :)
[17:30] <Goliath> Hey i want to mount with fstab the ntfs partition i created with windowsXP. Should i use ntfs or ntfs-3g filesystem?
[17:31] <Daskreech> Goliath: Mount it and see what it's mounted with but should be ntfs-3g
[17:32] <Goliath> UUID=D4502C3F502C2AA6 /windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 1
[17:32] <Goliath> Daskreech: does this sound right?
[17:32] <Daskreech> Looks right
[17:32] <Daskreech> put it in fstab then type sudo mount /windows
[17:33] <DarthFrog> Goliath: Replace "ntfs-3g" with just "ntfs" in fstab.
[17:33] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: was that how it worked?
[17:34] <DarthFrog> ntfs-3g is the driver.  ntfs is the type of file system.
[17:34]  * Daskreech really needs to take a week and remember how Windows does things
[17:34] <Daskreech> ah that does make sense
[17:34] <Goliath> i thin ntf-3g is for write support
[17:34] <DarthFrog> Goliath: Again, ntfs-3g is the Linux driver, not the type of file system.
[17:35] <Goliath> everyone is telling me ntfs-3g
[17:36] <DarthFrog> Goliath:  Try this first, then: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/<partition> /mnt/disk
[17:36] <DarthFrog> You will probably have to "sudo mkdir /mnt/disk" first.
[17:36] <Goliath> i mounted the partitions with ntfs-3g
[17:36] <Goliath> i remember that
[17:38] <DarthFrog> Hmm, "-t ntfs-3g" worked.  i sit corrected. :-)
[17:45] <elijah> Daskreech: That works but I want it to default to being in focus everytime, I know there is a setting for focus priority
[17:46] <Daskreech> elijah: alt+f2 -> focus
[18:05] <Goliath> i am adding windowsXP to my grub/menu.lst.  should i use rootnoverify= or just root= ?
[18:09] <DarthFrog> Goliath: Why are you using GRUB 1?  GRUB 2 will do all that for you automagically.
[18:10] <Goliath> i want that
[18:11] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get install grub2
[18:18] <DarthFrog> Does anyone know of a version of Ubuntu that uses Enlightenment for its desktop environment?
[18:19] <Daskreech> Ebuntu?
[18:19] <Daskreech> or ... install kubuntu server and then apt-get install enlightenment
[18:22] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Yeah but that'll not be a distro that is designed for E.
[18:22] <DarthFrog> !ebuntu
[18:22] <DarthFrog> Hmm, Botty knows nothing about Ebuntu.
[18:23] <Daskreech> I just guessed :)
[18:23] <DarthFrog> Swing and a miss. :-)
[18:23] <Daskreech> !fluxbuntu
[18:23] <Daskreech> Oh that's recognized now
[18:23] <Daskreech> They were just a bunch of people for a long time
[18:23] <Daskreech> !ppc
[18:23] <Daskreech> ah hmm
[18:24] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: I still stand by my just install enlightenment stance though :)
[18:26] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Yeah, that'd probably be enough to have a look-see at it.  Which is all I want to do. :-)
[18:27] <DarthFrog> It's been a long time since I saw E.  Back in the day, it looked gorgeous.
[18:27] <Daskreech> It's why I use LInux now :)
[18:28] <dell_> my bluetooth adapter is not found
[18:28] <meganerdca> in the 90s it was awesome
[18:28] <nate_> hello
[18:29] <nate_> I need help installing alsa drivers and realtek audio drivers
[18:29] <meganerdca> nate_: drivers are part of the kernel, in a sense they are pre-installed
[18:29] <nate_> it says unzip source code but I cant get in the correct directory
[18:30] <dell_> how do i make the kernel find it
[18:30] <meganerdca> nate_: I am heading out but you are probably going to have to be more specific.  Which audio card, are there modules already loaded.
[18:30] <nate_> I know it already has drivers but these replace the ones installed with kubuntu so I can have 5.1
[18:30] <meganerdca> nate_: are you sure you need them?
[18:30] <nate_> realtek alc883
[18:31] <meganerdca> nate_: I have 7.1 with default drivers on my usb audio card
[18:31] <meganerdca> nate_: lspci
[18:32] <nate_> I need them to get all my sound ports working
[18:32] <nate_> http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[18:33] <dell_> any help
[18:33] <nate_> and the mic is jack is broken so I need to change one in the front to mic in
[18:37] <nate_> can someone just help me get in the right directory?
[18:38] <x_link> Hi!
[18:39] <x_link> I'm having alot of problems with Kopete this last 2 days. I can't connect to MSN cause it crashes then. I get SIGSEGV
[18:39] <dell_> use emesen
[18:39] <dell_> if u want msn
[18:39] <x_link> So now I wanted to try to re-install Kopete to see if that would help. But when I use "sudo aptitude purge kopete" it want's to remove kubuntu-desktop as well?
[18:40] <DarthFrog> x_link: kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.  It won't remove KDE.
[18:40] <x_link> DarthFrog: Okey, so it will _only_ remove kopete?
[18:40] <DarthFrog> !kubuntu-desktop | x_link
[18:41] <x_link> DarthFrog: Okey, thanks!
[18:42] <dell_> i cant find the driver for my bluetooth in the additional drivers
[18:43] <dell_> neither is there any bluetoothh device when i do lspci
[18:43] <dell_> wat to do ?
[18:46] <Goliath> I am dual booting linux with windowsXP. i edit now /boot/grub/menu.lst in rootnoverify should i use the partition windows is installed at, or where grub is? (the bootloader)
[18:51] <Daskreech> If you want to boot Windows point it at the windows partition
[18:51] <Daskreech> !grub
[18:52] <Daskreech> dell_: if your kernel doesn't pick it up that might be a problem
[18:52] <Daskreech> !bluetooth
[18:52] <dell_> when ever i click on a link in a file or e.g the one u posted here it opens in Kompozer
[18:53] <dell_> how do i disable that ! its really annoying
[18:53] <Daskreech> !default
[18:54] <dell_> there is no advanced
[18:55] <Daskreech> Grrr
[18:56] <Daskreech> !default is To change the default application for a filetype go to SystemSettings -> File Associations
[18:58] <Daskreech> dell_: ignore the advanced then ;)
[18:58] <dell_> thx man
[18:58] <dell_> its working but im still stuck on the bluetooth
[19:13] <gae> ciao
[19:15] <Starminn> I can't access anything within Desktop Effects in System Settings.
[19:18] <Goliath> hey
[19:18] <Goliath> DarthFrog: it was ntfs
[19:18] <Goliath> ntfs-3g wasnt recognized by fstab on boot
[19:37] <ajay> hello
[19:37] <folorn> dont suppose any of you folks have run LPVM partitioner have ya?
[20:05] <Daskreech> !lvm
[20:51] <shane4ubuntu> what is the nice gui app to compare two directories and see if one is missing a file?
[20:58] <areichman> shane4ubuntu: dolphin? Open 2 tabs and see both directories side by side?
[20:59] <areichman> but if I really wanted to do it I would probably use rsync in 'test' mode or whatever they call it. See what files it would sync
[20:59] <rekcuFniarB> Krusader
[21:00] <areichman> it's a job for a file manager :-)
[21:09] <staar2> hello
[21:15] <brucelee> Hi newbie here!  I would like to know why my internet connection does not work in kde yet it works on gnome?
[21:16] <brucelee> I use a netgear wireless router
[21:19] <brucelee> when I change (at log-in) from kde to gnome it connects instantly but once I change back to kde is does not connect?
[21:29] <skramer_> since upgrading Akonadi to 1.5.1, it does not start any more: http://paste.kde.org/8388/
[21:31] <skramer_> could anybody pls. advise why there is permissions problem regarding MySQL
[21:37] <shane4ubuntu> areichman: yeah, I usually use rsync, but sometimes, I just like a gui way,
[21:37] <areichman> a file manager, then. Most all should work
[21:42] <shane4ubuntu> areichman: yeah, but I want it to do the work, krusader seems to be what I'm looking for.
[21:43] <areichman> Enjoy :-)
[21:43] <shane4ubuntu> I was thinking there was another though
[21:44] <shane4ubuntu> I can't remember what it is though, I used to use it in Linux I think
[21:45] <shane4ubuntu> Oh, I think it was mc!  but then krusader is the kde and looks a little nicer.
[21:45] <shane4ubuntu> nope wasn't mc
[22:07] <gomiboy> shane4ubuntu: Kompare maybe? It compares file contents or directories
[22:08] <shane4ubuntu> gomiboy: no, it was a dual pane file manager, and I used it on gnome, although it wasn't necesarily a gnome app
[22:08] <shane4ubuntu> thanks though
[22:08] <shane4ubuntu> I'm getting along fine with krusader, seems to be working great.
[22:31] <elijah> Where can I change window focus priority for Dolphin?
[22:34] <elijah> Basically, when I download a file in Chrome and then click "show in folder", dolphin just blinks the window in the menu bar and does not actually bring it into focus. I want it to open up the window and "show in folder".
[22:34] <elijah> Do I have to make a window rule?
[22:37] <gomiboy> elijah: top left icon -> advanced -> special app. settings -> workarounds -> focus stealing prevention = force  (should work :)
[22:41] <elijah> gomiboy: Thanks!
[22:42] <elijah> gomiboy: That worked! Now, maybe you can help with the second one which is related. When it shows the window, it does not highlight the file. Is that something I can fix on the OS side of things or is this Chrome specific?
[22:44] <S74rk7> is there any good harddrive 'fitness' test software, or benchmarking kind of packages anyone could recommend? :)
[22:44] <gomiboy> elijah: yes, i think it's app specific, but if you (like me) keep always dolphin in detailed view and ordered by date, then your file is the topmost ;)
[22:46] <elijah> gomiboy: Ok, thanks, I normally do that but sometimes I do a scroll down so it isn't readily visible, my downloads folder grows very large so it would be nice to not have to hit home, or any additional keys or mouse clicks.
[22:46] <gomiboy> S74rk7: 'fitness' like speed test or like health status?
[22:47] <elijah> S74rk7: It isn't open but I have heard good things about SpinRite - http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm
[22:47] <elijah> I am definitely interested in knowing more alternatives too
[22:47] <elijah> gomiboy: The guy wrote that program in assembly language, hardcore!
[22:49] <S74rk7> gomiboy: health status would be priority - for dianosing faulty hardware but speed would be useful info also...
[22:51] <gomiboy> S74rk7: the simplest speed test is hdparm (-t and -T switches), for health install smartmontools which read the smart hd informations
[22:53] <S74rk7> thanks for all the input guys :)
[22:55] <elijah> gomiboy: Thx, for hdparm how do I tell which device I need?
[22:56] <gomiboy> hdparm -t /dev/sda for example
[22:57] <elijah> gomiboy: How do I tell if my main drive is sda?
[22:57] <elijah> well, it appears that it is!
[22:59] <gomiboy> drives are named by channel, sda = first channel sdb = second and so no, use fdisk -l to see all drives and partition
[22:59] <elijah> gomiboy: DOes hdparm have a way to perform write timings as well?
[23:00] <gomiboy> no, that's why i said it's simple :P...
[23:00] <elijah> gomiboy: gotcha
[23:01] <elijah> gomiboy: fdisk -l gives no output
[23:01] <gomiboy> running as root?
[23:01] <gomiboy> i mean sudo ...
[23:02] <elijah> gomiboy: lol, I should have known to try that! thx
[23:06] <gomiboy> elijah: a simple write test would be: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/test bs=500M count=1 ; rm /tmp/test
[23:07] <elijah> gomiboy: wow,. that actually worked!
[23:07] <elijah> gomiboy: thanks!
[23:07] <elijah> slow as shite
[23:08] <gomiboy> elijah: i get 48.5 MB/s on my 7 years old drive... you?
[23:13] <elijah> gomiboy:  28.8 MB/s on a 4-5 year old laptop at 90%+ capacity
[23:13] <elijah> I am so ready for an SSD
[23:13]  * James147 notes that drives lose performance when they are that full ^^
[23:13] <elijah> I have been putting SSDs in all my friends computers, and am so jealous! They are so bloody fast!
[23:14] <folorn> hmm
[23:14] <elijah> James147: Yeah, I keep trying to delete stuff but it never ends...
[23:14] <James147> elijah: 30mb/s is very slow for a drive :S
[23:14] <gomiboy> well, being a laptop, it's supposed to be that way...
[23:14] <elijah> James147: Yeah, it is painful!
[23:14] <James147> elijah: then what you want is a larger drive, not an ssd
[23:15] <elijah> James147: Yeah, I want that too, what I really want is a new laptop that can have two drives..
[23:15] <James147> gomiboy: laptop drives arnt ment to be slower ^^ as far as i know
[23:15] <elijah> But I am looking for one that has a pointer stick (middle of keyboard) and also works well on *nix.
[23:16] <James147> thinkpad?
[23:16] <elijah> I would put a 2TB HDD and a 64GB SSD in it!
[23:16] <gomiboy> James147: afaik a typical laptop drive spins at 5400, while a destop one at 7200...
[23:16] <James147> gomiboy: still, 30mb is slow ^^
[23:17] <gomiboy> save energy, save the planet! :D
[23:18] <James147> gomiboy: reading slow != save energy... infact I would say the opposite
[23:18] <elijah> James147: Do thinkpads have dual drive slots?
[23:18] <James147> ^^ since the drive takes longer to read the same amount of data it has to be spinning longer and cannot spin down
[23:18] <James147> elijah: dont know,
[23:21] <gomiboy> James147: you would be right if spinning drives worked like this: read - spin down - read - spin down... but they do: read - wait - wait -wait - spin down etc :3
[23:22]  * James147 can hear he laptop spin up when reading is done ^^
[23:24] <elijah> THe w701ds Thinkpad looks pretty badass!
[23:24] <elijah> http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/pdf/notebooks/ThinkPad/W-Series/W701-W701ds_datasheet.pdf
[23:24] <meganerdca> James147: I have a Latitude E4600 and a Thinkpad X41.  Both have pointer sticks and both work well with Linux.
[23:24] <elijah> Wonder if the wacom tablet runs on *nix
[23:25] <James147> elijah: they do
[23:25] <James147> ^^ better then most other tablets
[23:25] <elijah> James147: Sweet!