[10:26] <jibel> can anyone look at bug 1020574, last working desktop image was June 29th
[10:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1020574 in ubiquity "SystemError: Broken pipe while installing language packs" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020574
[10:31] <cjwatson> jibel: xnox was looking at that yesterday
[10:32] <xnox> jibel: still working on it.
[10:33] <xnox> cjwatson: langpack installation suppose to catch and ignore SystemError, but for some reason sys.excepthook is called, after the SystemError has bubbledup in a loop....
[10:34] <jibel> ok thanks. xnox I assigned the bug to you, so we know you're taking care of it.
[10:34] <cjwatson> distraction; the SystemError shouldn't be occurring here in the first place
[10:34] <xnox> cjwatson: then why the original code from ages ago has comment "ignore SystemError from langpack installation?"
[10:34] <xnox> ok
[10:36] <cjwatson> we didn't want random language pack failures to break the whole system; but that was more for things like package failed to unpack or something, not this sort of thing
[10:36] <xnox> ok
[13:16] <stgraber> xnox: can you easily reproduce that crash? if not, I have a pandaboard that's crashing every single time, so reproducing is easy here :)
[13:18] <xnox> stgraber: oh, it is reproducible every time with quantal daily since 29th in VM/desktop
[13:18] <stgraber> ok :) I only did arm installs recently, good to know any install will fail just as well :)
[13:19] <xnox> stgraber: so far my strace-foo didn't actually show me SIGPIPE, only the write("E: Broken Pipe") which comes from printing the stack trace in python, way to late.
[13:19] <xnox> stgraber: I can't wait to install my panda =)
[13:19] <xnox> stgraber: it's reproducible in a vm, which is what I am using now.
[13:23] <cjwatson> it might be EPIPE not SIGPIPE
[13:23] <cjwatson> in fact I'd say that's likely given that we're seeing several of them
[13:24] <xnox> cjwatson: not present in my strace either. I attached to the process just before clicking install now, cause otherwise the strace log was 300MB due to printing a line for almost each character of a debconf template fetch.
[13:25] <xnox> cjwatson: I am doing a full one by executing ubiquity under strace and logging into a separate hard-drive now.
[13:25] <xnox> also no obvious changes in python-apt nor ubiquity around the time.
[13:38] <cjwatson> apt and python-apt both had major changes at the relevant time
[14:02] <brendand> we have a bug with updating precise, which only happens when running the upgrade from a preseed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox-satellite/+bug/1021293
[14:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1021293 in checkbox-satellite "Ubuntu 12.04 install stalls when doing apt-get upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[14:06] <cjwatson> followed up
[14:20] <brendand> cjwatson, funny you ask. we've observed 'apt-get <defunct>' in ps
[14:20] <brendand> cjwatson, i'll ask the reporter to give full details though
[14:20] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm not going to get anything much out of one line
[14:20] <brendand> asap
[14:23] <roadmr> brendand, cjwatson: bug updated with the requested process list
[14:26] <cjwatson> hmph.
[14:26] <cjwatson> not obvious, will have to strace
[14:55] <cjwatson> brendand,roadmr: hm, worked for me in a normal session with strace attached
[14:55] <brendand> cjwatson, you mean without the preseed?
[14:55] <cjwatson> oh, admittedly I'm using a newer image
[14:56] <cjwatson> with the presee
[14:56] <cjwatson> d
[14:56] <brendand> cjwatson, a newer image - of precise?
[14:56] <cjwatson> yeah
[14:56] <xnox> brendand: there are daily precise images published with proposed enabled.
[14:57] <cjwatson> might be coincidental though and in any case wouldn't be a reason not to fix the underlying bug
[14:57] <cjwatson> probably just means I avoid some upgrade that triggers the bug, since it's already in the squashfs
[14:57] <brendand> xnox, details?
[14:58] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/daily/ - but they aren't guaranteed, you shouldn't be relying on them for anything any more than you would rely on random daily builds
[14:58] <cjwatson> sorry, .../daily-live/
[14:58] <brendand> cjwatson, right. interesting to know they are there though
[14:59] <brendand> cjwatson, it would be good to know if it reproduces for you using the release image.
[14:59] <cjwatson> I'm rsyncing back
[14:59] <brendand> cjwatson, by the way, this doesn't happen on servers
[15:00] <cjwatson> yeah, I know, not surprising at all
[15:00] <cjwatson> but not very helpful either TBH :)
[15:00] <cjwatson> different installer, so ...
[15:01] <cjwatson> (and ubiquity/success_command is already quite specific to ubiquity)
[15:02] <brendand> cjwatson, right - but the bug report is just to trim the symptoms down. the servers also use a preseed with the same steps - so the update is run in late_command
[15:03] <cjwatson> I know, and fair enough, but it's not a big help in this case
[15:03] <cjwatson> although granted, if a similar symptom had appeared on server, then it would probably have been quicker to diagnose there
[15:04] <brendand> cjwatson, if you need us to do anything, ping me or roadmr
[15:04] <cjwatson> ETA 40 mins or so for the image to arrive, so might not be today
[15:52] <mpt> I think ... I am going to suggest removing the big pictogram icons from the "Installation type" step
[15:52] <mpt> Partly to save space, and partly because they just aren't that expressive
[15:52] <mpt> (Saving space to make room for "[ ] Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security")
[19:41] <Blackyugin> Hi all, I work to ubiquity and I want to create my DBus witch connect to Ubuntu One. I see oneconf's DBusconnect and I need to know service's name. In oneconf is "com.ubuntu.OneConf". How I can know the Ubuntu One's name and all informations (hosts_object_name, package_set_interface, host_interface, etc.). Thanks a lot


[05:36] <amilai> http://linkis.com/www.jta.org/2016/09/WDOMz
[05:36] <amilai> On his website, he accuses Jews of controlling the government and the media, and quotes “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” a notorious anti-Semitic screed that purports to describe a Jewish plan for world domination.
[05:39] <amilai> Christopher Bollyn was one of the first to promote conspiracy theories linking 9/11 terrorism with Jews and Israel, the Anti-Defamation League said. (YouTube)
[16:42] <lopta> What's the package name for Chromium?
[16:44] <genii> chromium-browser
[16:44] <genii> !info chromium-browser
[16:44] <genii> May require enabling universe repository.
[16:48] <lopta> Thanks
[18:46] <skulltip> i have a minitower i want to install lubuntu to (and in background run as a server).. would i need to worry about my electric bill if i run it 24x7 to support no more than 10 people
[18:47] <wxl> skulltip: it's often true that older devices take up more electricity, but no, you wouldn't need to worry.
[18:47] <Unit193> Unless he decides to run the CPU at max 24/7, fans will spin up.
[18:48] <wxl> Unit193: that's not usually a safe assumption, but perhaps :)
[18:48] <wxl> of course not running a GUI will reduce consumption of resources quite a bit
[18:52] <skulltip> hmm.. lubunt headless
[18:52] <wxl> or just... ubuntu-server
[18:53] <skulltip> would it be easy to install the server remotely, or do i need a monitor
[18:53] <skulltip> not that i wouldn't need it for the gui version
[18:54] <wxl> um
[18:54] <wxl> well
[18:54] <wxl> i'm not sure if the installer has openssh running. probably not.
[18:56] <sgo11> hi, I change the theme in obconf to Nightmare theme. But the panel does not change at all. why? thanks a lot. btw, I tried lxapearance, but the nightmare theme is not there. thanks.
[19:11] <swift110> hey wxl
[19:12] <wxl> swift110: ok
[19:19] <james1138> Hello again. Skip the whole Banshee issue please... I just went ahead and use Kodi. Much happier. I do have a new question - I see there is a new version of the Intel Graphics Installer and wonder is it work installing on my older Thinkpad T61 or would there be no noticeable improvement?
[19:21] <sgo11> I just found out lxpanel has nothing to do with openbox. Thus if I change openbox theme, lxpanel will not be changed at all. if this is the case, where can I download lxpanel profile or themes? I did google, there is nothing. no available lxpanel profile at all. thanks.
[19:24] <james1138> I meant "worth'
[19:54] <sgo11> whatever. I give up. bye.
[19:56] <Unit193> It's a GTK2 theme.
[21:42] <skulltip> how do i manually set my IP so it doesn't get changed when there's a power outtage.. the inside IP  192.168.x.x


[19:22] <kuaera> Editing xorg.conf is a thing of the past with Jaunty :)
[19:22] <gabriel_> demi: i think 4.2.1
[19:23] <vbgunz> tarfart: the more you learn, the more you enjoy when things start working better than shipped. took me years to get here *but* I swear, you dim your attitude, realize whats really at fault, ask help without bitching and well, you might take years to learn too
[19:24] <josh-l> i got some sort of error when installing koffice-kde4 but it apparently installed somehow, now though I cant start kword for example
[19:24] <gabriel_> also, can it really be like that in linux, that ONE program crashing can cause the whole OS freezing? That's like win95 syndome :/
[19:25] <vbgunz> gabriel_: I never experienced that in 3+ years but maybe once
[19:25] <vbgunz> gabriel_: quick question. are you using ext4? if so, I believe its a known problem
[19:25] <gabriel_> no, ext3
[19:25] <josh-l> anyone know what the deal with installing koffice is ?
[19:26] <vbgunz> gabriel_: damn, not sure what to say. if you can reliably reproduce a freeze I am certain someone would definitely help you out
[19:26] <mefisto__> josh-l: I think the koffice packages conflict with some of the kde4.2 packages
[19:27] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  when a program crashes the video card drivers.. yes it can 'freeze' the desktop. :) but often you can still ssh in.. so the system is not totally frozen
[19:27] <gabriel_> i was watching a movie that was downloading in linuxDC++. Appearantly, when a download is finished it removes the temp file, so the movie player cannot read it anymore. So sometimes i had to restart the movie. but other times, i think it might have crashed because of that
[19:27] <vbgunz> kuaera: why do you say editing xorg is a thing of the past with Jaunty? I still edit it. a new tool or something?
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Ive a few machines with no xorg.conf to edit. :) all automated
[19:27] <gabriel_> vbgunz: no i cannot reproduce a freeze at will. only the video artifacts when pausing amarok
[19:28] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: after i ssh in, how do i restart X?
[19:28] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  restart the kdm/gdm service is one way
[19:28] <Dr_willis> or kill  the X process
[19:28] <Dr_willis> sudo service kdm restart
[19:29] <gabriel_> aha
[19:29] <tarfart> mefisto__: can i see your xorg.conf? or what you added. and how do you fix this video playback bug
[19:29] <Dr_willis> amazing logical eh? :)
[19:29] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: well, i don't know the commands, that's all
[19:29] <mefisto__> tarfart: ok, give me a minute
[19:30] <tarfart> thanx
[19:30] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  sudo reboot   :) is also handy
[19:30] <josh-l> how can I fix a broken package from apt command line?
[19:30] <Dr_willis> bye all bbl
[19:30] <demi> Josh, you hsould just stick with openoffice=)
[19:30] <carpii> i just grabbed kdenlive from the kubuntu repo's, but when i run it, it just crashes immediately, every time. The debug output says 'this backtrace is of no use'
[19:32] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: i just wish it wouldn't crash like that
[19:32] <josh-l> demi: I wanted to give koffice a go, but if its not possible then just removing and fixing whatever problems it created installing is fine
[19:32] <kuaera> vbgunz: I deleted my xorg.conf. Everything is automatically configured for me.
[19:33] <kuaera> vbgunz: I edited HAL configuration a little bit, TBH
[19:33] <kuaera> Wanted two finger scrolling on my touchpad in both X and Y, and no side-scrolling
[19:34] <vbgunz> kuaera: hmm, you settled on defaults. it works most of the time. I hand edit mines because of custom resolutions, nvidia, twinview, 5 button mouse, etc. mostly custom resolutions though has me editing it
[19:35] <josh-l> there has got to be a way to install koffice... how silly that because it renames icons you cant use it
[19:35] <kuaera> vbgunz: Well, this is an old Thinkpad T42 - a simple 1024x768 with Synaptics devices
[19:35] <giles> hi
 I have nto tried installing Koffice.
[19:36] <giles> I am getting Package libmsn0.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:37] <vbgunz> giles: try just libmsn
[19:37] <mefisto__> tarfart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130768/    but don't use my modeline, generate one that will work for your monitor with gtf or cvt. and backup your working xorg.conf before changing anything
[19:38] <giles> E: Couldn't find package libmsn
[19:38] <tarfart> ok thanx
[19:38] <vbgunz> giles: tab from that point libmsn<tab>, anything else?
[19:38] <josh-l> so does ANYONE use koffice on intrepid?
[19:38] <anass> problem with kdevelop can compile a simple project
[19:38] <tarfart> mefisto__: im running xorg version ---> X.Org version: 1.5.2
[19:38] <tarfart> mefisto__: you?
[19:38] <anass> i get premmission denided to creat /.libs
[19:38] <anass> why is that
[19:39] <tarfart> xdpyinfo|head
[19:39] <vbgunz> anass: you mean ./.libs?
[19:39] <tarfart>  Xorg -version
[19:39] <vbgunz> anass: or ./libs?
[19:39] <giles> vbgunz: yep 0.1
[19:39] <anass> nor i means /.libs
[19:39] <anass> in the rout folder
[19:39] <vbgunz> you're messing with the root, you need sudo to make that directory
[19:39] <tarfart> mefisto__:And,  am i going to have to fix this video playback bug
[19:40] <vbgunz> sudo mkdir /.libs
[19:40] <anass> because i created with my root privelege i dont gee the problem but it still can't be compiled
[19:40] <giles> vbgunz:  sudo apt-get install libmsn<tab> yeilds
[19:40] <mefisto__> tarfart: <IP_ADDRESS>  (in kubuntu hardy right now)
[19:40] <vbgunz> anass: honestly, you should probably scrap it and recompile with your priviledges only if possible
[19:40] <giles> vbgunz: sudo apt-get install libmsn0.1
[19:40] <tarfart>         Option          "TexturedVideo" "on"
[19:41] <anass> but i'm wondering why the compilation of a simple programme should create a folder in the root
[19:41] <tarfart> mefisto__: thanx pal
[19:41] <anass> ok i will try it
[19:41] <vbgunz> giles: I have it in Jaunty repos, are you something earlier than Jaunty? your app may work on Jaunty only?
[19:41] <sixofour> !gimp
[19:42] <mefisto__> tarfart: this site might help too: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[19:42] <giles> vbgunz: i am using intrepid 8.10 with the ppa for kde 4.2.1, I am tring to install kopete which I had installed before.
[19:42] <josh-l> so does ANYONE use koffice on intrepid?
[19:43] <noren_> josh-l: yes i do , koffice
[19:43] <josh-l> noren_: how did you install it, ive tried and its broken, and it even says so on kubuntu.org
[19:44] <vbgunz> giles: not sure, did you enable all repos you could?
[19:44] <noren_> josh-l: i was using it before i upgraded to kde 4.2
[19:45] <josh-l> noren_: and after?
[19:45] <giles> vbgunz: what do you mean
[19:45] <sixofour> how do i join a second irc server in konvorsation?
[19:45] <noren_> josh-l: now open officcccce
[19:45] <vbgunz> giles: you can try http://libmsn.sourceforge.net if worse comes to worse
[19:45] <giles> I have the source
[19:45] <mefisto__> josh-l: I did get it installed using dpkg with --force-overwrite and from memory the only files that were clashing were icons. but be careful if you decide to try it
[19:45] <giles> even compiled it
[19:45] <josh-l> noren_: have you tried using koffice since upgrading to kde 4.2?
[19:46] <Dr_willis> !info quassel
[19:46] <vbgunz> giles: I am not sure where the libmsn0.1 deb package lives. it may live in main I would think but am not sure. maybe it is in another repo?
[19:46] <giles> vbgunz:  I just need to let dpkg know that I have it somehow
[19:46] <vbgunz> giles: then cd into the directory with the deb and say sudo dpkg -i yourpackage.deb
[19:46] <gabriel_> can i run ubuntus backage manager instead of kubuntus? adept sucks compared to synaptic or whatever it was called...
[19:46] <gabriel_> package manager*
[19:46] <josh-l> mefisto__: were you able to use it?
[19:47] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  install synaptic and have fun
[19:47] <mefisto__> josh-l: yes
[19:47] <vbgunz> gabriel_: sure
[19:47] <gabriel_> good
[19:47] <giles> vbgunz: I don't think the error is saying that it cannot find the package
[19:47] <mefisto__> josh-l: I think the koffice packages came from a ppa (from memory, same one that has amarok 2)
[19:47] <noren_> josh-l: Remove the koffice-data-kde4 package if you have it installed. The current koffice2 packages in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA are incompatible with the KDE 4.2 packages since they try to install icons to the same locations.v
[19:47] <giles> its saying that :
[19:47] <giles> vbgunz:
[19:48] <giles> Package libmsn0.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:48] <giles> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[19:48] <giles> is only available from another source
[19:48] <giles> E: Package libmsn0.1 has no installation candidate
[19:48] <josh-l> stop that
[19:48] <giles> sorry
[19:48] <mefisto__> josh-l: I'm not on intrepid right now, so can't be absolutely sure
[19:48] <noren_> josh-l: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[19:48] <vbgunz> giles: compile libmsn from the sourceforge link I have you else you can try finding a deb of libmsn0.1 already created and install it first
[19:48] <josh-l> yeah i read that
[19:49] <giles> vbgunz: ok but how do I install kopete?
[19:49] <josh-l> pretty silly that because of icons i cant install it properly
[19:49] <vbgunz> giles: you're going to have to satisfy the dependency first
[19:50] <vbgunz> giles: why did you compile kopete? you couldn't get it from repos?
[19:50] <carpii> i just grabbed kdenlive from the kubuntu repo's, but when i run it, it just crashes immediately, every time. The debug output says 'this backtrace is of no use'
[19:52] <giles> I didn't compile kopete
[19:52] <mefisto__> giles: libmsn0.1 is in backports
[19:53] <josh-l> whats the latest kubuntu jaunty release?
[19:53] <josh-l> alpha 5?
[19:53] <giles> has it moved recently there?
[19:53] <giles> mefisto__: ?
[19:53] <mefisto__> giles: don't know. I found it searching http://packages.ubuntu.com
[19:53] <giles> ok ta
[19:53] <gabriel_> it seems my ntfs partitions aren't automounted, what is the easiest way to remedy that?
[19:54] <noren_> josh-l: me downloading alfa 6
[19:55] <mefisto__> gabriel_: simplest way is using ntfs-config
[19:55] <giles> mefisto__: now I cant find the deb source url for backports
[19:56] <gabriel_> mefisto__: so i need to install a little proggie?
[19:56] <mefisto__> giles: kdesudo software-properties-kde and in updates tab, enable "unsupported updates"
[19:57] <gabriel_> doing it now
[19:57] <mefisto__> gabriel_: yes, it's just a simple gui with I think two checkboxes
[20:02] <gabriel_> mefisto__: so i guess it edited fstab? where was that file located again?
[20:03] <mefisto__> gabriel_: /etc/fstab
[20:04] <gabriel_> cool :)
[20:05] <adi3> hi all
[20:05] <mefisto__> gabriel_: so it worked? it added a line in fstab for you ntfs partition?
[20:05] <mjheagle8> hello.
[20:06] <adi3> how to read flash content in konqueror kde 3.5.10
[20:06] <mjheagle8> anyone here use kubuntu 9.04?
[20:06] <Pici> mjheagle8: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Jaunty/9.04 support/discussion.
[20:07] <adi3> in about:plugins I have 6 adobe flash but still cant read youtube
[20:07] <mjheagle8> Pici: okay thanks. they do kubuntu too?
[20:07] <adi3> anyone any idea
[20:07] <Pici> mjheagle8: Indeed
[20:07] <mjheagle8> Pici: now switching. thanks :)
[20:07] <mefisto__> adi3: flash plugin is listed 6 times?
[20:07] <adi3> yes
[20:08] <mefisto__> adi3: you should just have one
[20:08] <adi3> I don't know how but this is my konqueror
[20:09] <adi3> well I can tell for one of them cause I installed myself but for firefox ino /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[20:09] <mefisto__> ah, ok. I thought you meant firefox about:plugins
[20:09] <adi3> konqueror...
[20:10] <adi3> i like this konqueror but I think I cant live without gmail noscript downthemall and greasemonkey plugins
[20:10] <adi3> that I have on firefox
[20:10] <carpii> so use firefox
[20:10] <adi3> but firefox in kde is horrible
[20:10]  * carpii shrugs
[20:11] <carpii> its ok i find
[20:11] <adi3> and speed in konqueror is awsome
[20:11] <adi3> as alway cant have both
[20:11] <carpii> theres always a tradeoff between speed and functionality though
[20:12] <carpii> you could try opera
[20:12] <adi3> no im not opera kinda guy
[20:12] <adi3> allready tried
[20:12] <sixofour> opera is spiffy
[20:13] <gabriel_> mefisto__: sorry, was away. yes it worked, saw a line in fstab
[20:14] <gabriel_> mefisto__: like so /dev/sdb5 /media/big\040momma ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[20:15] <noren_> !ipconfig
[20:16] <noren_> !ip
[20:17] <josh-l> okay this is obnoxious, i recently installed intrepid, i'm now ttrying to burn a cd... k3b doesnt detect it...
[20:17] <josh-l> help
[20:17] <mefisto__> adi3: an older version of libflashplayer.so might work with konqueror. look for version 9 flash plugin at adobe.com and put the .so file somewhere other than the proper path (eg /home/adi/oldflashplugin/ ), then point konqueror to that path in konq settings > plugins
[20:20] <josh-l> arrgh what a disaster
[20:21] <mefisto__> josh-l: doesn't detect the blank CD?
[20:21] <josh-l> mefisto__: no!
[20:22] <Haza> Ive just upgraded to kde 4.2 and for some reason some of my widgets are coming up as "Unknown Widget"
[20:22] <Haza> Simple ones like "Show Desktop" ect
[20:22] <Haza> Any thoughts?
[20:26] <mefisto__> josh-l: look in k3b settings, programs. anything in there that's missing that looks like it should be there?
[20:26] <josh-l> mefisto__: no, it seems to be burning via cli though
[20:32] <mefisto__> Haza: which ones don't work? maybe try apt-get removing them, apt-get clean, then apt-get install again
[20:32] <Haza> mefisto__: I can remove individual widgets?
[20:32]  * Haza is new to this
[20:33] <Haza> mefisto__:  do they have a prefix or suffix to identify them?
[20:34] <mefisto__> Haza: most are plasmoid-whatever and some are plasma-widget-whatever and there is the kdeplasmoids metapackage which installs the default ones
[20:35] <Haza> mefisto__: Okay. Interesting to know. Thank you
[20:35] <mefisto__> Haza: if you do  apt-cache search plasm    that should list them all (plus a few other packages probably)
[20:36] <Haza> mefisto__: Another interesting apy command. Cheers :)
[20:36] <Haza> *apt
[20:37] <mefisto__> Haza: apt-cache show <package-name> will show info on individual packages too
[20:38] <mariuz> i wonder why kde4.2  is so slow on intel boards, maybe i should disable plasma , anyone did some profiling work ?
[20:38] <Gork> anybody here had been working on NS2??? I need help in energy consumption!
[20:40] <Gork>  anybody here has been working on NS2??? I need help in energy consumption!
[20:41] <noren_> NS2  ??
[20:41] <Gork> yes noren_... has been you working on ns2?¿
[20:41] <noren_> Gork: i dont know wat is NS2
[20:43] <Gork> it's a network simulator...
[20:44] <noren_> Gork: sorry  no idea
[20:44] <Gork> thanks...
[20:45] <noren_> Gork: try #ubuntu
[20:46] <Gork> ok...
[20:46] <Dr_willis> Try the NS2 homepage? :) see if they got a channel.. thats a rather 'specific' program.. and you seem to have a vague questuion
[20:47] <Gork> Dr_willis: I'm doing a energy consumption study...
[20:49] <quassel208> how canb i repair a .mov ?
[20:50] <Dr_willis> i recall vlc asking to 'repair' video files befor.
[20:50] <Dr_willis> or ya could try ffmpeg/mencoder and try converting it to avi and see if they figure out/fix wjhatevers broken
[20:51] <quassel208> he didnt do that, i am now uploading to youtube
[20:51] <quassel208> what would be the command to convert the .mov ?
[20:52] <noren_> quassel208: ffmpeg -i file.mov target vcd file.avi
[20:54] <jay_> how do u read the serial no for a cd in linux?
[20:58] <quassel208> hmm eror when trying to convert from ffmpeg
[20:59] <demi> Where in KDE to I change Backgrounds?
[20:59] <zaapiel> y0
[20:59] <zaapiel> anything like khotkeys in 4.2?
[21:00] <zaapiel> or is a kde 4 khotkeys like application available?
[21:01] <zaapiel> ok nevermind
[21:01] <zaapiel> khotkeys is in 4.2
[21:01]  * zaapiel slurks back into the darkness
[21:02] <mefisto__> zaapiel: systemsettings input actions  and  keyboard & mouse, global keyboard shortcuts
[21:02] <zaapiel> ty
[21:08] <marek__> hi i have a problem with grub - i installed winXP after kubuntu installation and since then i hav eno grub on mbr, wen i tried to do it as it was written here:  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/ when i type " setup (hd0) i have tis output:  "Running  'install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0)  (hd0_1+16p (hd0,6) /boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst" .... failed, Error 22 No
[21:08] <marek__> such partition, please help me
[21:08] <jay_> sorry if my question was dumb but uhhh..... how do u read the serial no for a cd in linux?
[21:10] <mefisto__> !grub
[21:11] <carpii> i just grabbed kdenlive from the kubuntu repo's, but when i run it, it just crashes immediately, every time. The debug output says 'this backtrace is of no use'. What can i do?
[21:12] <mefisto__> marek__: find /boot/grub/stage1  is what's missing from the guide you linked to. your kubuntu install is probably not on hd0
[21:13] <marek__> mefisto__ well i did it
[21:13] <marek__> it is on hd0
[21:13] <marek__> i have only one drive
[21:15] <mefisto__> marek__: and the root command? which partition did the find command say? hd0,0 or something else?
[21:15] <quassel208> !pastebin
[21:15] <marek__> hd0,6
[21:16] <marek__> mefisto__
[21:17] <elirips> Hello. I'm trying to reinstall grub after windows installation. I started grub from the live-cd (from /usr/sbin/ on partition hda1 which ismy linux-partition). find /boot/grub/stage1 gives me (hd0,1), but if i try to do 'root hd(0,1)' i get Error11: Unrecognized device string, anyone got me a hint'
[21:18] <quassel208> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/130804/  here the output
[21:18] <mefisto__> elirips: should be root (hd0,1)
[21:18] <noren_> hi  there can i install both kubuntu 86 and kubuntu 64 bit on the same machine and have same /home partion ,  will it crrreatte sme functional error
[21:19] <elirips> mefisto__: thanks. its rebooting.. :)
[21:20] <demi> Anyone know how I can make a .gif file my background in kde?
[21:21] <marek__> gosh im totally dead
[21:21] <noren_> hi  there can i install both kubuntu 86 and kubuntu 64 bit on the same machine and have same /home partion ,  will it crrreatte sme functional error
[21:21] <marek__> i just cant get grub on mbr again
[21:21] <mefisto__> demi: convert the gif to png or jpg
[21:21] <carpii> 32 and 64 bit on same /home, I cant say Id recommend it
[21:21] <carpii> probably some file formats might differ
[21:22] <marek__> hi, when i try to fix my mbr parition after instaling windows i have this:  "The file /mnt/root/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" am i screwed now
[21:22] <mefisto__> noren_: and some apps may have different config files for 32bit and 64bit versions?
[21:22] <noren_> carpii: then how can i preceed i already have /home partition will 64 bit not pick it up automatically when installed
[21:23] <josh-l> alpha 6 feels nice
[21:23] <noren_> mefisto__: then how ccccan i seperate the home for both
[21:23] <demi> <mefisto: If I do that it won't be moving anymore though correct? I want a moving background.
[21:26] <mefisto__> demi: oh I see. I don't know if that's possible, but you can have animated png's. but whether it will animate as a background, I don't know
[21:26] <noren_> leme see i will go along with the setup and see what happenes
[21:27] <demi> It should there is videos of people showing off stuff with all moving backgrounds.
[21:27] <josh-l> mefisto__: are ppa koffice packages newer than jaunty repos?
[21:28] <mefisto__> josh-l: no idea
[21:29] <mefisto__> josh-l: you mean this ppa? http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu
[21:30] <josh-l> mefisto__: yeah
[21:31] <mefisto__> josh-l: someone in #ubuntu+1 might be able to tell you
[21:31] <kuaera> Does anyone know how to perform a dist-upgrade from a commandline? :/
[21:31] <senorpedro> yes, me
[21:32] <senorpedro> aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:32] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[21:32] <kuaera> Okays.
[21:32] <senorpedro> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:32] <kuaera> I'm trying to get distcc with zeroconf support, so.
[21:32] <Dr_willis> what? a program that actually uses zeroconf?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:33] <senorpedro> what is zeroconf?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> !info zeroconf
[21:33] <mefisto__> kuaera: or do you mean you want to upgrade from one kubuntu version to the next?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> a way for services and stuff to see/confgure automatically
[21:33] <senorpedro> like autotools?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> !zeroconf
[21:33] <Dr_willis> never heard of autotools
[21:34] <senorpedro> never did ./configure && make && make install?
[21:35] <Dr_willis> then the 2 are totally unrelated
[21:35] <Dr_willis> if thats what youia re refering to
[21:35] <Dr_willis> zeroconf configures MACHINES and servers to see each other properly over the network
[21:35] <senorpedro> ah ok
[21:35] <Dr_willis> not ./configure :)
[21:36] <senorpedro> i thought it was for configuring packages
[21:36] <senorpedro> neverming
[21:36] <Dr_willis> nothign to do at all with that. :)
[21:36] <Dr_willis> its all about letting this video server get seen by the clients and so forth.. or other services
[21:36] <Dr_willis> and yve not seen it actually used by anything.. YET. :)
[21:36] <mefisto__> marek__: still around?
[21:36] <senorpedro> appearently it is used by distcc
[21:37] <Dr_willis> apaemntly it can be..   but ive not used distcc since my gentoo days
[21:37] <marek__> yes mefisto__
[21:38] <senorpedro> is there a couchdb package for 8.04?
[21:38] <mefisto__> marek__: have you tried with super grub boot disk?
[21:38] <marek__> no
[21:38] <mefisto__> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[21:39] <marek__> there are a lot of them here:
[21:39] <marek__> http://download.linux-live-cd.org/Super_Grub_Disk/download/binaries/sgd/cdrom/
[21:39] <marek__> which one is a proper one mefisto__?
[21:40] <valentin_> Bonjour il aurait-il un français qui pourrais m'aider sur quelques truc plz ? je suis nouveau et un peu pomé !
[21:41] <valentin_> Personne ?
[21:41] <senorpedro> valentin_: this n'est pas une french channel
[21:42] <valentin_> Arf, it's english channel ?
[21:42] <senorpedro> no chinese
[21:42] <senorpedro> ;) just kidding
[21:42] <senorpedro> yes, its english
[21:42] <mefisto__> marek__: one of the later iso ones I suppose. don't know why, but there's two 0.9677 iso downloads
[21:45] <marek__> ok i wil give it a try
[21:45] <marek__> OH i hate windows so much....
[21:49] <XPS_M1330> I'm looking for a good torrent client that's efficient and has a small footprint
[21:49] <XPS_M1330> I find Ktorrent slow
[21:49] <XPS_M1330> I mean it's demanding on the CPU
[21:50] <jamesjedimaster> XPS_M1330: change the refresh setting to >= 1 second
[21:52] <XPS_M1330> could try that
[21:52] <sixofour> does kubuntu by default have a program that can access msn messenger netowkr?
[21:52] <sixofour> or windows live messneger netowkr*
[21:52] <sixofour> apt-get is busy atm
[21:52] <sixofour> wow typo
[21:52] <XPS_M1330> sixofour: kopete
[21:52] <sixofour> kopete can do msn how?
[21:53] <sixofour> i was looking
[21:53] <XPS_M1330> I use it for msn... you just type in your account settings
[21:53] <sixofour> ..where>?
[21:53] <XPS_M1330> I think pidgin mighjt be installed by default
[21:53] <sixofour> i don't see anything for login details
[21:54] <XPS_M1330> settings ... configure ... accounts ...
[21:54] <XPS_M1330> WLM passport would be your login username
[21:59] <XPS_M1330> sixofour: did you find it?
[22:00] <jamesjedimaster> you can use kopete (installed by default) or amsn (much like windows messenger)
[22:10] <bigjocker> there's an inconsistency with gtk-qt-engine in eclipse ... even if you sonfigure KDE to not use an alternate color, eclipse and some other GTK apps will use one ...
[22:11] <bigjocker> I apt-get sourced gtk-qt-engine and modified wrapper.c to ommit the alternate color, recompiled and installed the new deb ... that solved my problem
[22:11] <bigjocker> now
[22:12] <bigjocker> what is the best way to communicate that issue and the possible solution?
[22:13] <marek__> haha i did it mefisto__ are you still there?
[22:13] <mefisto__> marek__: yes. so supergrubdisk worked?
[22:13] <marek__> no
[22:13] <marek__> magical line was
[22:13] <marek__> sudo sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sudo sfdisk --force /dev/sda
[22:13] <marek__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1026754&page=2
[22:14] <marek__> crazy
[22:16] <mefisto__> so installing windows screwed up the partition table somehow?
[22:30] <thepizzanator> does anyone know of a torrent of the kubuntu 8.10 ISO for AMD64 that actually works?
[22:30] <thepizzanator> because this whole upgrade over the internet isn't doing it for me
[22:30] <thepizzanator> if not, if someone could make one that would be awesome :)
[22:31] <thepizzanator> i tried upgrading over the internet, but my modem's power cable fell out at 99% :/
[22:31] <thepizzanator> i am so cheezed
[22:32] <thepizzanator> it gave me an error and it said that it kept the files, but when i tried to upgrade again it had to start over :/
[22:33] <thepizzanator> i really wish the people who made this os would integrate bittorrent into the distro upgrader, that way lots of people downloading it would actually make it faster instead of painfully slow
[22:34] <thepizzanator> sorry for the spam guys >>
[22:36] <bigjocker> thepizzanator, try running in a console: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[22:36] <thepizzanator> i'll try that... i already started redownloading the upgrade, am i screwed?
[22:37] <thepizzanator> by the way this isn't the computer with linux on it so i'll be afk for a sec... thanks for the help
[22:37] <thepizzanator> okay i have a window on my screen asking me if i want to start the upgrade
[22:37] <thepizzanator> i assume i say no and type what you said in the terminal?
[22:38] <cjae> ok I filed a bug report about seperate x screens not working (nvidia)in kubuntu and got a reply that says  Changed in: nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 (Ubuntu) so that means if I update then I should be able to do separate x screens right
[22:39] <thepizzanator> bah :/
[22:39] <thepizzanator> it says the download should take 15 minutes w/ my connection, last time it took 10 hours
[22:39] <cjae> I am just no quite sure if it means it was fixed or if they changed how the bug would be dealt with
[22:40] <thepizzanator> your guess is as good as mine. lol
[22:43] <cajun> quick question. if I have multiple users on a system running (K)ubuntu, does each user have all of their own settings, including window manager, effects, etc? I use awn and I'd like to know if all users will have it running.
[22:43] <mefisto__> thepizzanator: there are torrents here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#bt   did you try those and they did not work?
[22:44] <cajun> it would be easier to allow each user to make his own decision on interface.
[22:44] <jamesjedimaster> cajun: each user has their own settings
[22:44] <cajun> awesome.  thanks
[22:44] <Dragnslicer> cajun- any sane program stores settings in the user's home directory
[22:45] <cajun> that's what i thought but i have no experience with multiple users on a system yet.
[22:45] <cajun> i'm glad i can customize all i want to without affecting other users.
[22:45] <jamesjedimaster> each user settings are stored under .kde directory
[22:46] <cajun> awesome.  another question...if i have awn running under gnome, does it automatically run under kde also?
[22:46] <viixi> hi
[22:46] <Dragnslicer> The only programs that just have global settings (usually stored in /etc) are system-level programs or servers (Apache, sshd, etc.)
[22:47] <Dragnslicer> Gnome and KDE can run programs written for the other, though they might look strange
[22:47] <Destice> hey guys.  is kubuntu stable yet?
[22:48] <mefisto__> cajun: does awn work in kde?
[22:48] <cajun> haven't tried it.   according to threads i've seen it seems to
[22:49] <cajun> i did a search and apparently a lot of people are getting it to work
[22:49] <Dragnslicer> Destice- when wasn't it stable?
[22:49] <thepizzanator_> can someone scroll up and see who the person who helped me is? i think his name was something with jock in it
[22:49] <thepizzanator_> i didn't have the underscore before
[22:49] <Destice> lol I always had problems with KDE on my computer with Ubuntu, so I always used gnome
[22:49] <Destice> I think it was because of my hardware tho
[22:49] <mefisto__> cajun: ok, just that I haven't tried awn in a looong time. maybe I'll give it a try
[22:49] <codecyphix> reset keyboard?
[22:50] <Dragnslicer> thepizzanator- bigjocker?
[22:50] <thepizzanator> eyah thanks :)
[22:50] <cajun> well i installed kubuntu but had issues with KDE recently so i've been using gnome
[22:50] <thepizzanator> yeah*
[22:50] <codecyphix> typing delay
[22:50] <thepizzanator_> bigjocker: can you help me out with this? i'
[22:50] <thepizzanator_> m a little lost
[22:50] <codecyphix> help
[22:50] <cajun> i really like awn a lot. i am very happy with it. I've been using it for a few weeks and haven't really had any problems with it.
[22:50] <Dragnslicer> Destice- depends on what version of KDE. KDE 4.2 works quite well for me. 4.1 and 4.0 weren't quite ready for general use
[22:50] <thepizzanator_> or maybe someone else can.. ?
[22:51] <thepizzanator_> i was upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 and my internet disconnected right at the end
[22:51] <Destice> Ahh....  I remember when I tried the Kubuntu beta edition, the custumizability of it was just awful.  I couldn't get it to auto-login or anything
[22:51] <thepizzanator_> i'm trying to recover the files or something
[22:51] <thepizzanator_> so i don
[22:51] <Destice> Is that better now?
[22:51] <codecyphix> tried rebooting. works until kde
[22:51] <thepizzanator_> bah, i hate the placement of the enter key on this keyboard
[22:52] <thepizzanator_> i ran the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[22:52] <codecyphix> i have to hold the keys for 2sec
[22:52] <thepizzanator_> could anyone guide me through this? i have no idea what to choose for some of these options
[22:53] <mefisto__> thepizzanator_: ok, maybe ask about the individual options you're not sure about
[22:53] <thepizzanator_> okay
[22:53] <codecyphix> thank god i fixed it
[22:54] <thepizzanator_> hold on
[22:54] <codecyphix> that was painful
[22:54] <thepizzanator_> do i want system wide readable home directories?
[22:54] <thepizzanator_> i can't see that being a problem
[22:55] <thepizzanator_> no one else uses this box
[22:55] <thepizzanator_> is it a security risk for hackers or w/e?
[22:55] <thepizzanator_> i'll say yes, i'm not going to add more users anyways..
[22:57] <mefisto__> thepizzanator_: that choice is ok. most default choices will be what you want I think
[22:57] <thepizzanator_> okay
[22:57] <thepizzanator_> i hit esc too many times and had to restart the thing...
[22:58] <thepizzanator_> ok, do i want to trust new CA certificates?
[22:58] <thepizzanator_> default is y so i'll do that
[22:58] <thepizzanator_> ok, this part i have no clue about: which certificates do i want to activate?
[22:58] <thepizzanator_> the choices are:
[22:58] <thepizzanator_> kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[22:59] <thepizzanator_> bah
[22:59] <thepizzanator_> some brazilian one, canert.org/class3, "".org/root, debconf.org/ca, mozilla/blahblahblah, mozilla/AddTrust_external_root
[22:59] <ubuntu_> !pastebin
[22:59] <thepizzanator_> heh, forgot about that
[22:59] <thepizzanator_> tx
[23:00] <thepizzanator_> sorry for bein such a noob. lol
[23:00] <thepizzanator_> these are the choices it gives me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130835/
[23:01] <ubuntu_> hi all i guess i was write not to burn the CD 64 bit as of yet
[23:02] <ubuntu_> plasma crashed here again http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/130836/  << anyone facing similar prob
[23:02] <thepizzanator_> ubuntu_: i have a bad video card, should i be installing 8.10 with all the bugs in it?
[23:03] <ubuntu_> thepizzanator_: yes go ahead even i am using the same 8.10 , but what do u mean by bad vid caard
[23:03] <mefisto__> thepizzanator_: I would leave them all selected. are you in brazil?
[23:03] <thepizzanator_> canada
[23:04] <ubuntu_> is DaSkreech here
[23:04] <thepizzanator_> ubuntu_ not much vram, it's a little glitchy with 8.04
[23:04] <thepizzanator_> it's also integrated
[23:04] <thepizzanator_> :/
[23:04] <mefisto__> thepizzanator_: wonder why you have this one: brasil.gov.br/brasil.gov.br.crt
[23:04] <thepizzanator_> no idea. lol
[23:04] <thepizzanator_> i'm using the american english version, in canada
[23:05] <ubuntu_> thepizzanator_: get the alternate CD it might help then
[23:06] <ubuntu_> mefisto__: take  a look at my  paastebin and tell me if there any remedy
[23:07] <thepizzanator_> ubuntu_: going by what it says here i don't think it will help...
[23:07] <ubuntu_> thepizzanator_: what distro are u using now
[23:08] <thepizzanator> kubuntu 8.04 i believe, was originally ubuntu 8.04
[23:08] <thepizzanator> bascially ubuntu 8.04 w/ kde installed
[23:08] <thepizzanator> i'm in kubuntu right now
[23:08] <thepizzanator> kde*
[23:09] <ubuntu_> thepizzanator: is the prob  remain same in ubuntu and kubuntu
[23:09] <thepizzanator> pretty much, yeah
[23:09] <thepizzanator> kubuntu seems to have fixed some of the glitches
[23:09] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: try to apt-get update and upgrade ?
[23:09] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: I had similar errors on a jaunty install and after upgrading 20 or so packages plasma started working again
[23:10] <thepizzanator> you know what... i'll just look for those blank cds and burn the iso to a cd
[23:10] <thepizzanator> the iso is d/ling way faster on this comp than the internet upgrade was on my linux box
[23:11] <ubuntu_> mefisto__: i mm stuck mid way have mounted the iso and booted into it now i cant install the damn thing
[23:11] <thepizzanator> it would be nice to not have to go throught he trouble since i downloaded 98% of the files already and all
[23:12] <trpr> probably because the iso is one file while the upgrade is hundreds
[23:12] <thepizzanator_> yeah
[23:13] <ubuntu_> thepizzanator: for a better experience of kde do a frresh install of kubuntu its always betteer than installing kde onnn ubuntu
[23:13] <thepizzanator> that's what i'm doing :)
[23:13] <thepizzanator> found the cds :D
[23:14] <thepizzanator> why didn't i do this sooner... one hour as opposed to 10
[23:14] <thepizzanator> and it works way better anyways... oh well, that's how you learn right ;)
[23:14] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: so this is the livecd? you haven't installed yet?
[23:15] <thepizzanator> this is me on my mac which is downloading the iso, the other pizzanator is me on my computer which is running ubuntu 8.04 off the hard disk, with kde installed
[23:15] <ubuntu_> mefisto__: no i was trying to install the kubuntu 64 bit without burning the cd... but now i m stuck it just does not show any partiotion while installing the new distro
[23:15] <thepizzanator> oh, sorry, you weren't talking to me. lol
[23:17] <ubuntu_> !grub
[23:18] <thepizzanator> ^ why you should install windows first
[23:18] <thepizzanator> well, thanks for all the help everyone
[23:18] <thepizzanator> i'll just lurk for a while
[23:19] <cajun> when I do kded --version, it tells me that I have 3.5  I thought KDE4 automatically came with 8.10
[23:19] <cajun> i upgraded from 8.4
[23:19] <thepizzanator> what kind of upgrade did you do?
[23:20] <ubuntu_> ok time to logout bye eveeery one
[23:20] <thepizzanator> like.. over the internet, live cd
[23:21] <cajun> i installed 8.04 and later upgraded over the internet
[23:21] <cajun> i believe through dist-upgrade
[23:21] <mefisto__> cajun: kded4 --version will give you the kde4 version
[23:21] <cajun> ah.
[23:21] <cajun> ok.  i have 4.2
[23:21]  * cajun is no longer confused
[23:21] <cajun> thanks for your help.
[23:21] <mefisto__> kde3 libs are there for the kde3 apps
[23:22] <cajun> what is the preferred compositing manager for kde 4.2?
[23:22] <cajun> compiz doesn't seem to be working at all
[23:22] <cajun> i use both gnome and kde4
[23:22] <mefisto__> kwin has compositing. desktop effects
[23:23] <cajun> ok.  that won't interfere with compiz under gnome right?
[23:23] <thepizzanator> mefisto__: do you happen to know what the system requirememnts are for kwin? if you could beep my name and tell them to me when you get a chance... or anyone else that knows...
[23:23] <thepizzanator> thanks
[23:24] <thepizzanator> i can't find them anywhere.
[23:26] <mefisto__> thepizzanator: kwin is the kde window manager, so it should just work. if you want compositing, it depends on your video card and drivers. if the video card can't do compositing, kde won't let you enable it
[23:26] <thepizzanator> okay
[23:26] <thepizzanator> i doubt mine can do it. :/ thanks
[23:26] <thepizzanator> so is compiz fusion just for gnome or what? i'm lost
[23:27] <cajun> i like awn under gnome but i want something equivalent for kde
[23:27] <thepizzanator> either way it makes a lot more sense to not have to install somehting extra to get the nice effects
[23:28] <cajun> it doesn't appear to be working properly under kde.
[23:28] <mefisto__> thepizzanator: well it doesn't make much sense in kde4 since those effects (most of them) are already part of kde
[23:30] <cajun> i'm not getting any of those effects to work under kde
[23:31] <cajun> i can't even configure any of them.
[23:32] <mefisto__> can't find where to configure them? or just won't enable?
[23:34] <cajun> if i go into system settings and select desktop, they are supposedly enabled but do nothing and don't have a button to configure them.
[23:35] <mefisto__> the "all effects" tab is where you can configure each effect
[23:36] <cajun> right. but that's what i'm talking about.
[23:36] <cajun> for instance, i can't get the desktop cube to work like it does under gnome w/ compiz
[23:37] <cajun> in gnome i hold alt + ctl for as long as i need and use the mouse to flip through the desktops
[23:38] <bob_> yo
[23:40] <cajun> i have an ATI graphics card.
[23:41] <cajun> the compositing works just fine under gnome right now.  i am using the driver that comes w/ kubuntu
[23:41] <bob_> ok so i have a dumb ?
[23:41] <bob_> whats a good irc for getting ubuntu 8.1
[23:41] <bob_> support*
[23:42] <cajun> #ubuntu
[23:42] <bob_> really?
[23:42] <bob_> im new to irc
[23:42] <cajun> yeah.  how'd you find this one?
[23:42] <Dr_Willis64> :)
[23:42] <bob_> it came with konqueror
[23:42] <cajun> just type   /j #ubuntu
[23:42] <cajun> oh ok.
[23:42] <bob_> hahaha
[23:42] <bob_> ok i got it
[23:43] <cajun> they are pretty helpful
[23:43] <cajun> i even had a guy walk me through an installation once.
[23:43] <cajun> of the whole os
[23:43] <bob_> whoa
[23:43] <bob_> mines just filesharing help
[23:43] <cajun> they can help
[23:44] <bob_> awesome
[23:44] <bob_> thanks
[23:44] <cajun> i got that taken care of through them too
[23:44] <cajun> np
[23:44] <cajun> good luck
[23:44] <cajun> it works quicker than a discussion board a lot of the time.
[23:44] <Laeborg> I have a SD card reader in my laptop. When I plugin a SD card my "New device"-thingy pops up with my SD card, but how can I see where its mounted?
[23:45] <cajun> type  mount?
[23:45] <Dr_Willis64> mount command is Handy :)
[23:45] <Dr_Willis64> i would guess its in /media/ somewhere
[23:46] <Laeborg> uh its in /media/disk
[23:46] <Laeborg> but how does I format the disc ?
[23:57] <Dr_Willis64> with the mkfs command normally
[23:57] <Dr_Willis64> you DONT mount a filesystem ifyou are going to format it
[23:57] <Dr_Willis64> fdisk, format, mount..use , enjoy
[23:58] <cjae> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX7Z4tTx67s&feature=related
[23:58] <Dr_Willis64> High def ubuntu training videos?
[23:58] <Dr_Willis64> :)
[23:59] <cjae> no interesting spam
[23:59] <cjae> sorry
[23:59] <cjae> but should be read
[23:59] <josh-l> how do i get kde 4 menu tabs to open on hover?


[12:02] <macer1> @whoami
[12:02] <meetingology> macer1: macer1
[14:58] <seb128> hi
[14:59] <jdstrand> hello
[15:00]  * skaet waves :)
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[15:00] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:00] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-23
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Thank you for everyone's help getting Beta 2 released yesterday!!
[15:00] <skaet> Data still coming in from ISO tracker bug will make its way onto the team lists over the next couple of days.  Please be alert for it, and help make sure the key ones are appropriately prioritized (and fixed ;) ).
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00]  * jibel waves
[15:00] <skaet> Based on discussions last week in this meeting the archive is remaining frozen now for the remainder of the cycle.   Please ping a release team member on #ubuntu-release if a high/critical bug fix needs shepherding through if its been sitting there for more than 12 hours.  11.10 FeatureFreeze,  UserInterfaceFreeze, Archive Freeze still in effect
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <skaet> Thank you to those team's who've been updating their burndowns over the last week,  still a bit more scrubbing looks like its needed, as we're above the trend lines.
[15:01] <skaet> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Key dates coming up:
[15:01] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Final Freeze:  Sept 29 at 2100 UTC.
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Non Language Pack Translation Deadline:  Sept 29 at 2100 UTC
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Language Pack Translation Deadline:  Oct 6 at 1200 UTC
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[15:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01]  * skaet glad to see all the waves :)
[15:01] <skaet> any questions?
[15:01] <skaet> ..
[15:02] <skaet> ok,  starting into the round table then.  :)
[15:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:02] <mlegris> [Week 38 Testing Report]
[15:02] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week38_2011.html
[15:02] <mlegris> .
[15:02] <mlegris> Beta 2 Testing
[15:02] <mlegris> * A representative sample of clients is being retested with the Beta 2 image. * Mainly failed systems from our previous testing..
[15:02] <mlegris> Bugs:
[15:02] <mlegris> *  Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes..
[15:03] <mlegris> any questions?
[15:03] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!   will note the bug
[15:03] <mlegris> np! :)
[15:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:04] <jibel> = Oneiric Beta 1 testing =
[15:04] <jibel> Testing report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricBeta2TestReport
[15:04] <jibel> Bug summary:
[15:04] <jibel>  * Critical : 7 (3 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * High : 26 (7 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * Medium : 27 (2 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * Low : 8 (3 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * Wishlist : 3
[15:04] <jibel>  * Undecided : 39 (4 closed)
[15:04] <jibel> List of bugs found during this milestone
[15:04] <jibel> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[15:04] <jibel> List of bugs found during previous milestones:
[15:04] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/iso-testing-open-all.html
[15:04] <jibel> Critical issues still opened:
[15:04] <jibel> bug 832603
[15:04] <jibel> bug 851472
[15:04] <jibel> bug 852012
[15:05] <jibel> bug 856669
[15:05] <jibel> = Oneiric Bug activity =
[15:05] <jibel> * New bugs opened during last week (no dups): 1441(-1.3% over previous week)
[15:05] <jibel> * Top 5 packages:
[15:05] <jibel>   * unity: 96 (6.66%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * gnome-settings-daemon: 74 (5.14%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * compiz: 60 (4.16%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * nautilus: 57 (3.96%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * linux: 50 (3.47%)
[15:05] <jibel> * 12 reports were tagged as regression:
[15:05] <jibel> 824099	Max GL texture size can break multi-head
[15:05] <jibel> 852902	Parse failure when connecting to remote sources/sinks
[15:05] <jibel> 856821	unity-panel-service crashed with signal 5 in _XError()
[15:05] <jibel> 856317	gsettings-data-convert crashed with signal 5 in g_settings_set_value()
[15:05] <jibel> 854603	lightdm crashed with SIGSEGV in lh_insert()
[15:05] <jibel> 853629	empathy assert failure: *** glibc detected *** empathy: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x097f9c00 ***
[15:05] <jibel> 856975	fontconfig-voodoo crashed with DBusException in __new__(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[15:05] <jibel> 855394	update-manager crashed with AptDaemonError in _convert_dbus_exception(): org.debian.apt: Could not cancel transaction
[15:05] <jibel> 854814	cd drive lock does not work after oneiric upgrade
[15:05] <jibel> 854624	[oneiric] suspend/hibernate not performed according to "Power Settings"
[15:05] <jibel> 853233	update-manager crashed with TypeError in confirmChanges(): glib.markup_escape_text() takes at most 1 argument (2 given)
[15:05] <jibel> 852904	Unity launcher doesn't appear when a window is maximized
[15:06] <jibel> * Top 3 packages with High/Critical bugs opened and reported this week:
[15:06] <jibel>   * xserver-xorg-video-intel: 7 (5 are GPU lockup)
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity-greeter: 3
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity-2d: 3
[15:06] <jibel> * Top 3 crashers of the week:
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity: 25 (26.04 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * software-center: 24 (50.00 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * compiz: 21 (35.00 %)
[15:06] <jibel> * Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity: 33 (34.38 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * software-center: 14 (29.17 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * ubiquity: 13 (48.15 %)
[15:06] <jibel> = Boot speed =
[15:06] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/
[15:06] <jibel> ..
[15:07] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[15:07] <skaet> any one have questions?
[15:07]  * skaet goes to look at boot-speed report;)
[15:08] <mvo> jibel: is #853233 private or something, can't see it here
[15:08]  * skaet likes new reports,  cool.  :)
[15:08] <jibel> mvo, it's public now
[15:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:11] <jdstrand> hi
[15:11] <skaet> :)
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:11] <jdstrand> Burn down is below the trend line. The remaining work items should all be either bugs or items not tied to the release schedule. In addition to that, I have only one MIR left requiring a security team audit, so hopefully this helps unblock some remaining items for other teams (particularly the server team).
[15:11] <jdstrand> Bug #745836 was brought to our attention this week, and we are looking into the ecryptfs side of it. Looking at the list of other oneiric bugs, there aren't any others worth highlighting.
[15:11] <jdstrand> ..
[15:12] <mvo> jibel: I fix this right away
[15:12] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!  questions?
[15:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Final is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> We have not uploaded any kernels since the linux-3.0.0-11.18 upload prior to Kernel Freeze.  However, we are starting to queue quite a few bug fixes which I think we should upload prior to final freeze.  These fixes include:
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_netlink.c: fix Oops on container destroy
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix system will Oops and hang.
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * hfsplus: Fix kfree of wrong pointers in hfsplus_fill_super() error path
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix system will Oops on mount failure.
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * Compile-in vfat support for armel
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provides ability to flash/install an alternative kernel in the boot partition.
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * OMAP3 and 4 hwmod I2C units only allow 16 bit access
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - resolves errors attempting to do 32-bit writes to 16 bit registers (when running under QEMU)
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * Unregister input device only if it is registered
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix, system can hang
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * add a new linux-image-extras package for virtual
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provides extra modules for those who want the virtual flavor plus a few extra modules
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * headers_install: fix #include "..." usage for userspace
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provide proper fix for some ftbfs issues on i386
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * add driver for Realtek RTS5139 cardreader
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provide new driver
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * x86: reboot: Make Dell Latitude E6220 use reboot=pci
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix system hangs on reboot
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * ata: make DVD drive recognisable on systems with Sandybridge CPT chipset
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix the DVD drive is not recongnized
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * x86: reboot: Make Dell Optiplex 990 use reboot=pci
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix, system will hang on reboot
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * rt2x00: Serialize TX operations on a queue.
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix, the driver throws and error and must be reloaded
[15:13] <ogasawara> All patches have been fully tested and adhere to our SRU policies.  This will be an ABI bump.  I would like to get approval from the release team to upload on Monday.  Comments?
[15:14] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[15:14] <cjwatson> compile-in vfat sounds like it should be OK but it might be worth somebody checking for unchecked modprobes in the installer
[15:14] <ogasawara> cjwatson: ack
[15:14] <cjwatson> I don't see any in the obvious places so you're probably OK, but maybe an ARM team member should chck
[15:15] <skaet> Would prefer to see some of the fixes in (on arm side especially).     so ok by me too.
[15:15] <cjwatson> linux-image-extras, would like to see how the packaging comes out
[15:15] <cjwatson> seems slightly opaque naming, maybe linux-image-virtual-extras?
[15:15] <cjwatson> (otherwise it sounds like you can add it to a generic kernel)
[15:15] <ogasawara> cjwatson: that is more descriptive, I'll get with apw and see about renaming
[15:16] <skaet> any other questions or comments about the fixes proposed?
[15:16] <apw> ogasawara, is it not called linux-image-extras-<flavour>
[15:17] <cjwatson> the others sound OK
[15:17] <ogra_> vfat should just make the kernel slightly biggeer, i used it on the ac100 kernel for a while and it didnt cause initrd or other issues
[15:17] <cjwatson> thanks for tracking down the #include "..." problem
[15:17] <ogasawara> ok, so I'll plan an upload monday and ping the release team to approve it through the queue
[15:18] <ogasawara> Aside from the above, we are currently trending above our final milestone burndown chart but are below overall.  The remaining work items are not release critical.
[15:18] <ogasawara> Of the remaining bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:18] <ogasawara> #760131 - Partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #836250 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #542660 - Looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #746133 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #761082 - Confirmed against Oneiric, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #714862 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #754711 - On a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate recently fixed for Oneiric, see 815944.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #790712 - The order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #814325 - Issue confirmed upstream, actively under investigation by multiple devs.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #818177 - Comments and investigation indicate this is a udev issue, not kernel. investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #557261 - Not a kernel issue, was closed Invalid.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #758486 - Told that TI will push a fix with the next BSP.
[15:18] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:18] <ogasawara> ..
[15:19] <skaet> lol, was wondering if we'd get that bit.  :)
[15:19] <skaet> thanks again.
[15:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:19] <Daviey> o/
[15:20] <Daviey> * Beta 2 looks reasonbly stable.
[15:20] <Daviey> * nova Diablo final didn't make beta 2, due to dep wait on glance promotion to main - which is now resolved.
[15:20] <Daviey> * Cobbler enrollement support didn't make Beta 2, but is still desired for final release (Bug 831496).
[15:20] <Daviey> Release Bug Tracking:
[15:20] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[15:20] <Daviey> Notes:
[15:20] <Daviey> 653405	rabbitmq-server fails to start if hostname is unresolvable or has changed since first starting - Awaiting confirmation that this is still a bug
[15:20] <Daviey> 655533	[master] package likewise-open <IP_ADDRESS>111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 - Awaiting confirmation that this is still a bug
[15:20] <Daviey> 801494	Multi part LVM layout: system fails to boot due to missing volumes - Possibly related to bug 818177
[15:20] <Daviey> 832507	console.log grows indefinitely - robie is polishing off a fix, which will be submitted to upstream trunk shortly and cherry picked
[15:20] <Daviey> 842845	problems starting multiple lxc instances concurrently - Awaiting confirmation for zul
[15:20] <Daviey> 856530	nova user should not be in the nogroup group - Will be fixed in next upload
[15:20] <Daviey> 852771	dhcp leases are not released on instance termination - Should be fixed in current package
[15:20] <Daviey> 854614	metadata service local-hostname is not fqdn - Unresolved, not certain if it will be fixed for final, but desired.
[15:20] <Daviey> 845155 instance launched without key has incorrect metadata - Fixed in next upload
[15:20] <Daviey> 829234	[MIR] socat - Being dropped as a depends, and replaced with netcat - awaiting patch to nova (today).
[15:20] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html , doesn't quite reflect reality.
[15:21] <Daviey> ..
[15:21] <Daviey> bug 818177 is a *big deal* it seems
[15:22] <skaet> THanks Daviey!  noted.
[15:22] <skaet> re: status pages,  in what way doesn't quite reflect reality?
[15:23] <skaet> updates needed?  more done than is indicated?  (she hopes ;) )
[15:23] <Daviey> skaet: 2 things, one it seems it needs another pass to refresh it to stuff which is Done - and secondly, it has given some things more importance than they deserve
[15:23] <skaet> Daviey,  thanks for clarification, gotcha.
[15:24] <skaet> any other questions for Daviey?
[15:24] <Daviey> will pass it today.
[15:24] <skaet> :)
[15:24] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra_
[15:24] <ScottK> Seems odd https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-postfix-enhancements isn't there
[15:24] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:24] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:24] <ogra_> --
[15:24] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:24] <ogra_>  - B2 release went fine for armel, but we found that desktop needs more looking at wrt bugs
[15:24] <ogra_>    which the team will focus at during the next weeks.
[15:24] <ogra_>  - There are still plenty universe armel FTBFS, any additional help would be appreciated.
[15:24] <ogra_>  - mx5 images are fine but during beta testing it turned out that the kernel was missing an
[15:24] <ogra_>    essential option that blocked them from release (fix is in the archive already).
[15:25] <ogra_>  - for OMAP 4460 support there might be x-loader/u-boot changes in the pipe, if they are small
[15:25] <ogra_>    enough we will was for a late FFe, else they will go to a PPA for manually modifying the images later.
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Desktop images are fine
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:25] <ogra_>  - B2 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> oh
[15:25] <ogra_> ..
[15:25] <skaet> Thanks
[15:25] <ScottK> Any hope for mx51 support this cycle?
[15:26] <doko> these are not all arm ftbfs, the rebuild did finish on Thu, bug reports need to be filed
[15:26] <ogra_> ScottK, the mx5 images support mx53
[15:26] <ScottK> ogra_: No I take it then?
[15:26] <ogra_> doko, i'm judging by http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[15:27] <doko> ogra: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110819-oneiric.html
[15:27] <ogra_> ScottK, well, the efikas need special boot i think, but it might be possible to modify the mx5 images for efika booting, not sure
[15:28] <ogra_> ScottK, janimo implemented it, you should tak to him, its probably possible
[15:28] <ogra_> *talk
[15:28] <skaet> Thanks ogra_! :)
[15:28] <ogra_> :)
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:29] <cjwatson> We found several installation problems for beta-2 which needed rapid changes to address, but now's a good time to find them.  pygobject 3 has caused some further trouble, and there are some regressions visible due to the new compcache, but from now on we should be able to settle down.
[15:29] <cjwatson> Still working on FTBFS, thanks largely to doko; down to 178 (at least of those that have been filed).
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 745960: newly assigned to stgraber, possibly he'll be able to make some headway where I couldn't!
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 749702: could still use accessibility help
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 779283: mvo is making progress, although update-notifier has now been whitelisted so this is less urgent
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 818177: pending jamesodhunt's return from holiday
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 851704: I think I have a fix for this
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 854927: couldn't reproduce in isolation, and now the workarounds have gone in I can't reproduce by installing a fresh system; although discussion on Wednesday suggested that forcing .crt files to be processed first might reproduce this, so I'll try that when I get a chance
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 855580: fixed
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 855685: anyone have opinions on whether this change would be OK at this point?
[15:30] <cjwatson> Bug 855871: not milestoned, but caused some concern around beta-2 release so looking at this too; it only affects a corner case but may indicate a problem with GRUB's XFS filesystem code
[15:30] <cjwatson> BTW I question whether it's really a useful use of time at this point to go round marking work items postponed; it should be fairly clear at this point that further features are unlikely to happen, and we could be fixing bugs in that time instead, so perhaps we can just agree to not worry about it?  It may be something we need to worry about as a people-management thing, but it doesn't seem to help the release in any way.
[15:30] <cjwatson> ..
[15:30] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson,  I've put my comments on 855685.  Am ok as long as it happens quickly - but we need translators and docs input too.
[15:31] <cjwatson> (that should have been bug 779382 above, sorry)
[15:31] <cjwatson> ta
[15:32] <skaet> cjwatson,  I think its up to each team to decide re: work items and how they're tracking.
[15:32] <skaet> If I know a team is prioritizing a large bug list over the work item cleanup - I'll adjust my expectations.
[15:33] <cjwatson> OK, I'll double-check with Steve
[15:33]  * skaet prioritizes getting the bugs fixed higher at this point... just needs to know.
[15:33] <skaet> any other questions for cjwatson?
[15:34] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - fabo or rsalveti
[15:34] <fabo> = Developer Platform =
[15:34] <fabo>  - FFe for libjpeg-turbo, bug 849337
[15:34] <fabo>  - LTTng 2.0 pre-release for ARM available into Linaro Overlay PPA for evaluation
[15:34] <fabo> --
[15:34] <fabo> = Infrastructure =
[15:34] <fabo>  - FFe for linaro-image-tools, bug 834003; needs to update to 2011.09, released today
[15:34] <fabo>  - Switch to hardware packs v2 (new updated format that can store more information about the target board)
[15:34] <fabo> --
[15:35] <fabo> = Kernel WG =
[15:35] <fabo>  - Linaro Kernel 2011.09 release based on 3.0.4 stable tree. Fix bug 709245
[15:35] <fabo>  - Evolution of the Linaro Kernel: continuous integration and based on the stable tree maintained by Greg Koah-Hartman
[15:35] <fabo> --
[15:35] <fabo> = Misc =
[15:35] <fabo>  - UDS/Linaro Connect planning: cross team sessions? e.g. Toolchain consumers
[15:35] <fabo> ..
[15:36] <skaet> Thanks fabo!   please subscribe me to the cross team sessions,  I suspect doko will want to be on some of them as well.
[15:36] <skaet> any questions for fabo?
[15:36] <fabo> I have one but not for myself ;)
[15:36] <skaet> sure,  go ahead. :)
[15:37] <fabo> who can help on ljt and lit FFe? I know Tom has pinged slangasek and ogra_ but no updated review yet
[15:37]  * ogra_ was pinged ?
[15:37] <ogra_> i didnt see that, sorry
[15:38] <ogra_> i'll contact tom
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: yeah that's what I've been told
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: thanks
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: the package is in revu
[15:38] <fabo> ..
[15:38] <ogra_> k
[15:38] <ogra_> ..
[15:38] <skaet> :)
[15:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:39] <skaet> hmmm.. not seeing them in the channel.  moving on.
[15:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update- seb128
[15:39] <seb128> hey
[15:39] <skaet> :)
[15:39] <seb128> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:39] <seb128> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team.html
[15:39] <seb128> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-11.10.html
[15:39] <seb128> weekly summary
[15:39] <seb128> We got GNOME 3.1.92 in Oneiric, GNOME 3.2 next week
[15:39] <seb128> Work items: The remaining issues are now about testing, documenting, and planning for the next release. There is one code-touching item left for firefox to not keep breaking ubuntu-defaults packages with every release.
[15:39] <seb128> Bug fixing.
[15:39] <seb128>
[15:40] <seb128> the bugs status is on the wiki (first link)
[15:40] <seb128> ..
[15:41] <seb128> dx plan an Unity and a compiz update on monday
[15:41] <seb128> as well
[15:42] <skaet> Thanks seb128,   any concerns about the GNOME 3.2 landing to keep an eye open for?
[15:42] <seb128> no
[15:42] <skaet> :)
[15:42]  * skaet likes that answer ;)
[15:42] <seb128> they are code frozen between .92 and .0
[15:42] <skaet> Thanks seb128!   any other questions for seb128?
[15:42] <seb128> so it's going to be only translation and maybe a few important bug fixes which got 2 reviews and approval from their release team
[15:43] <seb128> usually there is very few surprises there ;-)
[15:43] <doko> besides on armel and powerpc
[15:43] <seb128> translations are usually fine on armel and powerpc ;-)
[15:43] <skaet> heh,  thanks for the explanation.   :)
[15:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:44] <dbarth> hi
[15:44] <skaet> :)
[15:44] <dbarth> short report at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:44] <dbarth> in a nutshell we're accumulating fixes on the weekly milestones
[15:45] <dbarth> but that will be released on monday morning
[15:45] <dbarth> and compiz on tuesday
[15:45] <dbarth> of note
[15:45] <dbarth> - the testing of the stacking fix for compiz is going well
[15:46] <dbarth> - multimonitor issues got escalated and we're now reviewing all HW support issues with the xorg and hw cert team
[15:47] <dbarth> - the music lens update is blocked by a dee/dash issue that is still being investigated as i speak; otherwise the feature would have already been proposed for upload
[15:48] <dbarth> - performance improvemnt efforts are stalled by those other issues and the general high/critical bugs still on the weekly list
[15:48] <dbarth>
[15:48] <dbarth> the bug radar is not up to date on the wiki report; i'll finish the update later this evening
[15:48] <dbarth> ..
[15:48] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!
[15:49] <skaet> glad to hear the stacking fix is emerging.  Looking forward to that one landing.
[15:50] <skaet> any quesitons for dbarth?
[15:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:50] <ScottK> Things went pretty well for Kubuntu for Beta 2 after some initial excitement about installer crashes.  We are currently working on cherry picking fixes from upstream since KDE 4.7.2 will come too close to release.  We are still sorting out some package updates, but I think they are all low risk.  Qt FTBFS, but didier will fix on Monday.  The only thing I think we need some help with is Bug #856418.
[15:50] <ScottK> ..
[15:51] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!   any questions?
[15:51]  * skaet has 856418 noted
[15:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:52] <stgraber> Hi everyone!
[15:52] <stgraber> Released a pretty good beta2!
[15:52] <stgraber> Only got one bug reported by jibel, bug 856460, which seems quite tricky to reproduce (couldn't reproduce on VM or hardware here)
[15:52] <stgraber> Expected changes to come:
[15:52] <stgraber>  - Uploads for non-langpack translation updates (arkose and edubuntu-live)
[15:52] <stgraber>  - .desktop overrides in edubuntu-artwork (to hide nepomuk on Edubuntu + Unity)
[15:52] <stgraber>  - ltsp to fix a few issues in ltsp-live (only create guest accounts we actually use), use /bin/bash for our guest users and maybe fix jibel's bug
[15:52] <stgraber> Other than that, I'm doing some work on getting WebLive up and running for release but that doesn't require any changes to be uploaded.
[15:52] <stgraber> ..
[15:52] <stgraber> Questions?
[15:52] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!  :)
[15:53]  * skaet glad to hear is nice and positive for this point in the cycle.
[15:53] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:53] <charlie-tca> First, let me give a *big* thank you to everyone who did so much work to get beta2 out.
[15:53] <skaet> +1
[15:54] <charlie-tca> We really appreciate the help
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is picking up the latest packages from Xfce, since they have a lot of bug fixes, as well as new translations.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> as for the bugs,
[15:54] <charlie-tca> * #831488: Xubuntu should not call gnome-control-center - CLOSED - gnome-control-center no longer installs in Xubuntu, neither does bluetooth.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> * #840094: There is no screen title - If a user chooses "Install Xubuntu" from the cd menu, there are no page headings or information paragraphs.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> * #845549: Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf - blocks Xubuntu using our own theme; is in-work by robert_ancell and mr_pouit
[15:55] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit submitted a patch for it, and it is now awaiting approval
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> ..
[15:55] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca!
[15:56] <skaet> are you expecting any FFE's between now and final freeze?
[15:56]  * skaet can't tell if there'smore than bug fixes in packages referenced or not
[15:56] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:56] <charlie-tca> blueman and garcon, at least
[15:57] <skaet> ok.  Thanks!
[15:57] <charlie-tca> thank you
[15:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[15:57] <gilir> hi :)
[15:57] <skaet> :)
[15:57] <gilir> Beta 2 tests this week, no critical bug found, we are in a pretty good shape :)
[15:57] <gilir> Still some annoying (but not blocker) bugs remain :
[15:58] <gilir> bug 819542 : It's a visual bug, not blocking jockey usage, but you see it every time you want to test on VirtualBox, maybe relative to bug 820080
[15:58] <gilir> bug 798437 : Pull out apt-xapian-index from Lubuntu ISO, previous testing with it enable was bad on some old hardwares (the target of Lubuntu)
[15:58] <gilir> bug 819538 : It's blocking installing Lubuntu using a desktop ISO on hardware with an 4 Gb hard-drive (such as old  eeePC, which are good candidates for Lubuntu)
[15:58] <gilir> We can add a note on the release notes for the last one, about using alternate ISO instead of desktop ISO in this case.
[15:58] <gilir> And we planned to upload some little fixes for next week, before final freeze.
[15:58] <gilir> ..
[15:59] <skaet> Thanks gilir!
[15:59] <skaet> I'll note down those bugs after the meeting.
[15:59] <skaet> any quesions for gilir
[15:59] <skaet> ?
[15:59] <mvo> gilir: lets talk about the synaptic issue monday
[15:59] <gilir> thanks skaet :)
[15:59] <mvo> gilir: just ping me please
[15:59] <gilir> mvo, ok
[16:00] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business?  - all
[16:00]  * skaet looking around for hands?
[16:00] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 23 16:00:45 2011 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-23-15.00.moin.txt
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks you for your participation.  :)    Have a good weekend everyone!
[16:01] <seb128> thanks
[16:01] <jibel> thanks skaet , have nice week end.
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Thank you, skaet
[16:02] <skaet> Thankyou, mlegris, ogra_, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, fabo, dbarth, ScottK,  charlie-tca,  gilir, stgraber, jibel, seb128 :)
[16:02] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[16:14] <jdstrand> thanks skaet :)
[16:14] <dbarth> okthxby
[16:14] <AlanBell> cjwatson: have you tested bug 749702 recently? I didn't notice that installing Beta 1
[16:15] <seb128> gilir, charlie-tca: still there?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:15] <seb128> gilir, charlie-tca: I guess neither lubuntu or xubuntu want to start nautilus to handle its background right?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> right
[16:15] <AlanBell> I would like bug 852583 sorted out before release skaet if possible
[16:16] <seb128> charlie-tca, gilir: I'm looking at bug #857159
[16:16] <seb128> charlie-tca, gilir: I will set it to OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Ubuntu but I wanted to check I'm not forgetting another desktop where it should run ;-)
[16:17] <cjwatson> AlanBell: no, I have not
[16:17] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: take a look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6726/991 and let's decide what the priorities are for a11y?
[16:18] <AlanBell> cjwatson: I will re-test in a bit, but fairly sure it can be closed
[16:19] <charlie-tca> seb128: to the best of my knowledge, edubuntu uses it too, don't they?
[16:20] <seb128> charlie-tca, they use GNOME
[16:20] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: the test case needs to be rewritten a bit for 11.10, the start orca procedure is much improved
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Yes, I know, AlanBell
[16:20] <seb128> charlie-tca, i.e it's not a different OnlyShowIn desktop
[16:20] <charlie-tca> seb128: just checking.
[16:20] <seb128> thanks for pointing it ;-)
[16:21] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: I will try to get it written this next week
[16:21] <charlie-tca> If you are running another screen-reader install, could you confirm those bugs on the tracker?
[16:22] <ScottK> AlanBell: I don't pronounce Oneiric Ocelot very well either.
[16:23] <AlanBell> spd-say "oneiric ocelot"
[16:23] <AlanBell> ^^ try that in a terminal window
[16:23] <AlanBell> spd-say "on-eer-ric osselot" <-- then that
[16:24] <charlie-tca> So, it uses the actual dictionary pronounciation then
[16:24] <charlie-tca> no, it doesn't
[16:25] <charlie-tca> well, I'm confused, just ignore me for a bit
[16:26] <AlanBell> can someone confirm 852583
[16:27] <jbicha> how about just simple names like "pretty panda", :)
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> 3/win 2
[17:02] <skaet> AlanBell,  have noted it on my list and targetted it to the release.   Agree would be good to get it fixed if possible.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> I really think we have several much higher priority bugs for a11y than a single word pronounced wrong
[17:07] <charlie-tca> We could start with bug 781385, for example, so visually impaired would actually know what orca is talking about
[17:09] <ScottK> charlie-tca: Since the DX guys are still working on new features for the release, I'm sure there are plenty of people to fix all the critical bugs.
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Hm, really? That bug about the variable names was filed before Natty released.
[17:11] <ScottK> Sorry.  Forgot the </sarcasm> tag.
[17:28] <gilir> seb128, sounds good, thanks for the fix :)
[17:29] <seb128> gilir, yw ;-)