[00:04] <Queops> A total nightmare this samba
[00:54] <Scunizi> I've got a chicken and egg syndrom.. just installed "server" on a laptop with a Broadcom BCM4401 eth0 card.. sudo lshw shows the card and static ip address I setup and a b44 driver that it's chosen.. however it's not connecting.. any help is apriciated.
[01:40] <draven_sol> at a highlevel how do i create an encrypted raid 10 on ubuntu server 10.04, using 5 disks. i'm using one for /boot, without encryption and the other 4 for the encrypted raid.
[01:41] <draven_sol> i managed to get the system installed but when i power down the system and remove one drive as a test, i am dumped to an emergency shell
[01:44] <rcsheets> would it be reasonable to use the built-in 'ssh' group to restrict ssh access using sshd_config's AllowGroups option?
[01:46] <rcsheets> or would it be somehow better to create an ssh-users group?
[01:52] <rcsheets> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/user-management.html implicitly suggests creating an sshlogin group.
[02:06] <ehcah> Does anyone know if the casual home user serving up Movies from Server Storage and played locally by dedicated HTPC's, would notice any speed/performance difference between Linux generic Raid6 / Samba versus ZFS?
[02:08] <chrismsnz> hey guys - any canonical devs around? Looking for convirt 2.0 - I see all the press releases saying it's in the partner repo but it's nowhere to be found on my lucid system
[02:08] <twb> ehcah: for a single user, I very much doubt it
[02:09] <MTecknology> Wasn't there an #ubuntu-virt channel?
[02:09] <chrismsnz> i tried that - seems to be invite only?
[02:09] <twb> chrismsnz: have you enabled the partner repo?
[02:09] <chrismsnz> twb: yes
[02:10] <twb> #ubuntu-virt is a deprecated channel; it redirects here.  You're seeing an "invite only" error because of a bug in the ircd, because you're already IN this channel
[02:10] <chrismsnz> i c
[02:10] <MTecknology> oh..
[02:10] <MTecknology> thanks
[02:11] <MTecknology> so.. I'm getting an error [ pci_add_option_rom: failed to find romfile "pxe-rtl8139.bin" ] when I try to start a vm in kvm - any ideas why?
[02:16] <MTecknology> there we go - needed kvm-pxe
[02:16] <MTecknology> so.. I'm trying to boot NetBSD with KVM - it boots - but doesn't go much futher..
[02:17] <twb> MTecknology: rtl8139 is an ethernet chipset.  PXE is a netboot protocol, usually implemented as a ROM chip on the NIC.
[02:17] <twb> MTecknology: it is complaining because it can't find the netboot ROM (firmware?) for your NIC
[02:18] <twb> This might be because (IIRC) rtl8139 requires non-Free firmware that Linus ships, but Debian (and Ubuntu?) remove from the kernel because binary blobs aren't DFSG compliant.
[02:18] <MTecknology> oh
[02:19] <MTecknology> twb: Installing that package seems to have made that go away and there's not complaining about anything now - any ideas why booting NetBSD won't get past this point?  http://imagebin.ca/img/5CXyyiSy.png
[02:25] <twb> MTecknology: sorry, I don't have time.
[02:25] <MTecknology> ok- thanks
[02:28] <chrismsnz> Can't see anything obviously wrong in with that output, MTecknology
[02:28] <chrismsnz> not that I'm a bsd expert of any sort
[02:28] <MTecknology> chrismsnz: it just hangs there - never finishes booting
[02:29] <chrismsnz> MTecknology: relevent? http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/2010/11/08/msg019756.html
[02:30] <MTecknology> chrismsnz: seems to be
[02:30] <chrismsnz> MTecknology: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/2010/11/08/msg019751.html matches your problem exactly
[02:30] <chrismsnz> seems like a netbsd bug :\
[02:34] <chrismsnz> apparently a workaround is "-no-kvm-irqchip" to the kvm command if you haven't seen that post already
[02:40] <MTecknology> chrismsnz: I tried that and it didn't seem to help - I'm trying another iso now
[02:40] <MTecknology> chrismsnz: thanks for finding that :)
[02:40] <chrismsnz> np
[02:40] <chrismsnz> getting back to work now tho :)
[03:00] <demonspork> how can I use apache to monitor the bandwidth usage of each website that it is hosting
[03:05] <draven_sol> what is proper manual method to create an encrypted raid 10 in ubuntu 10.04
[03:14] <G> demonspork: I think the really popular one not too long ago was mod_bandwidth
[03:16] <demonspork> draven_sol, the proper method is to avoid it at all costs
[03:17] <G> demonspork: looks like all the apache modules I can remember off the top of my head either don't work w/ the latest Apache, no longer maintained or unknown
[03:18] <demonspork> k
[03:18] <MTecknology> so netbsd has been trying to install itself for a long dang time now - it 'seems' to be an issue with talking to the virtual disk... It's been running the equiv of mkfs for about an hour on a 10GB disk.. Any ideas what might be causing that?
[03:18] <draven_sol> demonspork, why would it be proper to avoid?
[03:19] <demonspork> that is more of an opinion
[03:19] <G> demonspork: http://serverfault.com/questions/30149/alternative-to-mod-throttle may be interesting
[03:19] <G> (for you that is)
[03:19] <demonspork> but at the point you can build a raid 10 you might as well do an LVM RAID 5
[03:19] <G> draven_sol: software raid or hardware raid
[03:20] <draven_sol> G software raid
[03:20] <G> btw, be careful about which way you get the RAID 1 and 0 (just an opinion)
[03:21] <G> draven_sol: Putting encryption on a software raid 10 I'd suspect is just going to make your I/O get to the point where it's non-existant
[03:22] <demonspork> also why do you want it to be encrypted?
[03:22] <G> demonspork: it's a reasonable requirement for some situations
[03:22] <G> that said, nothing beats a properly secured room
[03:23] <demonspork> I use an encrypted partition on a server in an open colo room
[03:23] <demonspork> no locked rack
[03:23] <demonspork> I got there to install it and saw that there weren't lock rack sections as I had assumed
[03:24] <demonspork> so I just quickly sat there and said "I am goign to be here for about an hour" and an hour later I had the thing redone with an encrypted partition
[03:24] <draven_sol> G, what is the highlevel method, is it to set the drives for raid use, then encrypt?
[03:25] <G> draven_sol: you may be better off performance wise, considering the purchase of a decent RAID controller that can offload a bit of the work from the OS
[03:26] <draven_sol> it's a home server which i'll consider a hardware controller if the performance is poor
[03:30] <G> draven_sol: normally the encryption would go on after the RAID, but it does depend on the type of encryption
[03:30] <G> fwiw I've never touched RAID+Encryption (mainly for sanity reasons ;))
[03:31] <draven_sol> G yeah that's my problem right now, is the sanity of properly doing it so it's bootable with a failed drive
[03:32] <G> draven_sol: well the most important part is the visualise it and get your RAID right
[03:32] <G> if it's not the primary boot device(s) then just get the RAID going, test it, then worry about encryption
[03:33] <draven_sol> i have a separate drive for /boot to maintain some sanity
[03:35] <G> hmmmm really it's up to you in the end how you want to do it, but draw it out on paper, and make sure you get your RAID10 right (the order of the RAID1 and RAID0 can matter)
[04:45] <draven_sol> i'm testing my raid, powered down the system. removed the power and data cable to one of the drives. when i reboot i am dumped into a recovery shell. is this normal for raid 10?
[06:14] <kaushal> hi
[06:25] <twb> draven_sol: yes
[06:26] <twb> draven_sol: if you want it to boot normally, you need to boot with "bootdegraded"
[08:55] <stanman> hi, how do i tail netstat?
[08:59] <joschi> stanman: `netstat|tail`
[08:59] <joschi> stanman: but you're probably looking for something like `watch`
[09:00] <stanman> aight! That's what it was!
[12:00] <xfaf> soren:hey did you merge in my changes to the debian branch yet?
[12:08] <soren> zul: Hm.. Nope, I must have missed the e-mail about the patch.
[12:12] <soren> zul: Replied.
[12:13] <zul> soren: thank will look after i drop liam off and try not to break my kneecaps ;)
[12:13] <soren> zul: I have people for that sort of thing.
[12:59] <soren> Daviey: Did I miss an e-mail from you?
[13:00] <Daviey> soren: no, not yet
[13:00] <soren> Daviey: Alrighty.
[13:19]  * RoyK orders a new 17" MBP
[13:24] <LyonJT> Hey
[13:24] <LyonJT> Does anyone know how to setup a iptable so that only connections from say ssh.domainname.com are accepted instead of domainname.com?
[13:25] <zul> soren: yeah i should probably outsource that to india
[13:26] <soren> zul: Knee cap bashing?
[13:26] <soren> zul: I don't think that would work.
[13:26] <soren> zul: They're way too polite.
[13:26] <zul> soren: heh
[13:48] <zul> smoser: you here today?
[13:48] <zul> is american thanksgiving this week or next week i forget
[13:50] <patdk-wk> this thursday
[13:51] <patdk-wk> LyonJT, you can't use dns names in iptables, unless those ip's will never change, and your dns upstream will never be spoofed when you restart your firewall
[13:57] <Pindakaas> hello everyone! Can anyone tell me what the easiest way is to set up a mail server?
[13:58] <patdk-wk> depends on what you want to use the email server for
[13:58] <Pindakaas> for joomla
[13:58] <patdk-wk> receive, easy
[13:58] <patdk-wk> sending, not so much
[13:58] <patdk-wk> spamfiltering, depends, but generally not
[13:58] <Pindakaas> ow it needs to recieve and send:$
[13:58] <Pindakaas> well lets try babysteps first:P how about recieving ?
[13:59] <patdk-wk> install email server, done :)
[13:59] <Pindakaas> wow
[13:59] <Pindakaas> LOL:
[13:59] <Pindakaas> and should i use something like EXIM3 or Postfix?
[14:00] <patdk-wk> you probably want something like: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[14:00] <Pindakaas> so i need a "mail delivery agent"and thats it?
[14:01] <patdk-wk> but for sending of email, I would make sure all your dns stuff matchs correctly
[14:01] <patdk-wk> forward dns, reverse dns, mx name, spf records, dkim, helo name
[14:01] <zul> nijaba: ping when you are around
[14:01] <Pindakaas> ok thank you im going to look into it. 2 weeks ago i didn even know how to navigate a command line server.
[14:01] <Pindakaas> :P
[14:01] <nijaba> zul: pong
[14:01] <patdk-wk> heh?
[14:01] <patdk-wk> they make servers without cli's?
[14:02] <Pindakaas> yes windows does :P but i got fed up with it:P
[14:02] <zul> nijaba: bonjour so your virtual networking spec what needs to be done? openvswitch dkms stuff, tinc and ...?
[14:03] <patdk-wk> dunno, I've been admining an exchange server for a several years now (not cause I want to), and I do it all via cli
[14:03] <nijaba> zul: just to make sure the pakage installs and the kernel modules compiles, that's it, I think
[14:03] <zul> nijaba: oh....thats easy :0
[14:03] <nijaba> zul: great
[14:04] <Pindakaas> patdk-wk > I just started with ubuntu server but now i know how to get around it gets better and better :D thank you for the help btw
[14:04] <patdk-wk> make sure all your dns is setup good though, or all your email will be rejected, or go to junk folders, when you send to other poeple
[14:04] <zul> nijaba: now i just have to do the spec for it?
[14:04] <zul> nijaba: grrr
[14:05] <nijaba> zul: what do you mean?
[14:05] <Pindakaas> ok i will keep that in mind and google for the keywords you just typed
[14:05] <zul> nijaba: i mean i just have to write the spec
[14:05] <nijaba> zul: that's should not be a long one ;)
[14:06] <zul> nijaba: it shouldnt...shout it be in main though?
[14:06] <nijaba> zul: not unless something else depends on it
[14:06] <LyonJT> patdk-wk: thanks pal
[14:06] <zul> nijaba: ack thanks
[14:17]  * SpamapS is away way too early
[14:53] <maddog> hihi
[14:53] <maddog> hiho
[14:54] <highvoltage> hi maddog
[14:54] <highvoltage> oh, not *the* maddog :)
[14:55] <maddog> i have a ubuntu server 10.10 with a 3ware raid and a crypto volume. Everytime i write data to that volume, the transmission hangs every ~350mb for 30 seconds or so. I already disabled all caching functions on the controller, so i have no idea why that happens..
[15:09] <SpamapS> maddog: is it possible that you are running out of entropy?
[15:11] <maddog> hm, how would i check that?
[15:13] <SpamapS> maddog: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[15:14] <maddog> alright, let me watch that while provoking the error
[15:14] <SpamapS> maddog: if you're going to be writing a lot of data, you may want to run something like EGD (Entropy Gathering Daemon)
[15:16] <maddog> hm, the value is jumping between 137 and 180 while the error occurs
[15:17] <SpamapS> hmm.. EGD seems to be old old school :p
[15:17] <SpamapS> maddog: thats the number of bits of entropy you have available.. and may be too low
[15:18] <SpamapS> maddog: you might want to try rng-tools which I believe will take advantage of any hardware on your motherboard to help with that
[15:22] <patdk-wk> ya, around 150 avail means basically your in the 0% usable
[15:27] <maddog> hm, rngd tells me it cant find /dev/hwrng, but it exists and should be accessible
[15:30] <SpamapS> maddog: but is it attached to anything working?
[15:32] <maddog> hm, good question...
[15:32] <maddog> according to lsof it isnt
[15:33] <SpamapS> maddog: I mean to a working device
[15:34] <maddog> ah ok, how would i check that?
[15:34] <SpamapS> maddog: good question. ;)
[15:34] <maddog> hehe
[15:55] <smoser> zul, i'm here today
[15:55] <smoser> and part tomorrow
[15:55] <smoser> whats up?
[15:55] <zul> smoser: you wanna talk ec2 stuff later?
[15:56] <smoser> sure
[15:56] <zul> smoser: k
[16:20] <zul> soren: branch fixed again
[16:41] <LoganPhyve> hello all, wondering if anyone has any idea how to upgrade an ubuntu 7.10 server to 8.04, then to 10.04... on $ sudo do-release-upgrade , I get "no new relase found"...
[16:42] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: such a thing is not officially supported
[16:42] <LoganPhyve> I know... do I have any options for either a network upgrade or a cd-based upgrade?
[16:44] <\sh> LoganPhyve: vi /etc/apt/sources.list s/gutsy/hardy/g <save it> ; apt-get update
[16:44] <\sh> apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:45] <\sh> LoganPhyve: so you can go from gutsy (7.10) to hardy (8.04)
[16:45] <LoganPhyve> is that the only line that needs to be in /etc/apt/source.list?
[16:45] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: is this an important machine?
[16:45] <LoganPhyve> yes, but I'm working on a clone of it in a virtual, isolated environment. THe physical machine is out in prodctiuon right now.
[16:46] <\sh> logon: you have normally three lines: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse  and then two other lines with gutsy-updates and gutsy-security
[16:46] <\sh> LoganPhyve:  you have normally three lines: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse  and then two other lines with gutsy-updates and gutsy-security
[16:46] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: well if it's a clone you can try the sources.list edit method
[16:47] <LoganPhyve> i did try editing them to add the hardy repos, but it didn't like that
[16:47] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: right
[16:47] <LoganPhyve> i'm thinking my syntax was right
[16:47] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: pastebin the file perhaps
[16:47] <LoganPhyve> sure, one moment
[16:48] <\sh> LoganPhyve: this is the right apt/sources.list for hardy (when you want universe/multiverse disabled, just drop them from the lines)
[16:48] <\sh> LoganPhyve: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535263/
[16:49] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: and associated errors?
[16:49] <LoganPhyve> ah, that's probably what's wrong... the list entries I had ended the url with a forward slash
[16:51] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Gutsy
[16:51] <LoganPhyve> thanks, I think this will help a lot... will let you know if I'm successful.
[16:52] <pmatulis> LoganPhyve: i'd like to know how it turns out
[16:52] <LoganPhyve> sure, will do. it's an OLD firewall server running 7.10 and shorewall 3.4.4, the last IT guy didn't update anything... ever... wow.
[17:12] <eagles0513875> hey guys is it possible to resize a swap partition?
[17:22] <zul> nijaba: ping one more thing
[17:22] <nijaba> zul: no thanks if you want to send over freezing rain :0
[17:23] <zul> nijaba: heh...you are getting anyways
[17:23] <zul> nijaba: does this look alright for work items for the virtual networking spec? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535274/
[17:24] <nijaba> zul: maybe add a test item?
[17:24] <zul> nijaba: ack
[17:25] <nijaba> zul: something like "write a checkbox test case for openvswitch"
[17:30] <[diablo]> anyone know why ubuntu-virt is invite only please?
[17:34] <eagles0513875> [diablo]: is your nick registered? if so are you identified
[17:34] <[diablo]> eagles0513875, yep it is
[17:34] <[diablo]> Cannot join #ubuntu-virt (Channel is invite only).
[17:34] <[diablo]> weird
[17:35] <eagles0513875> [diablo]: im not sure never been in that channel before
[17:35] <[diablo]> eagles0513875, np ... annoying thing is I want to be in it :-)
[17:35] <[diablo]> lionel, you there mate?
[17:36] <eagles0513875> it could be that its ubuntu-virtualization instead of ubuntu-virt so they made the virt channel invite only
[17:36] <eagles0513875> nm scratch that
[17:37] <[diablo]> heres a man who will know
[17:37] <[diablo]> jono, you know why #ubuntu-virt has become invite only please?
[17:37] <zul> nijaba: spec has been updated
[17:37] <jono> hey [diablo]
[17:37] <jono> no, but that should not be the case
[17:37] <[diablo]> jono, do you have access please?
[17:38] <eagles0513875> jono: [diablo] and i have it saying invite only
[17:38] <jono> [diablo], I don't
[17:38] <eagles0513875> i dont need in but i kinda find it strange
[17:38] <jono> it says invite only to me too
[17:38] <[diablo]> odd
[17:38] <jono> I am sure it is a mistake
[17:38] <[diablo]> can we get this fixed? any idea who is controlling the channel?
[17:38] <jono> [diablo], eagles0513875 looking into this now
[17:38] <[diablo]> cheers jono
[17:38] <eagles0513875> thanks jono
[17:39] <jono> so it should re-direct to #ubuntu-cloud
[17:39] <jono> but it seems the redirect is broken
[17:40]  * [diablo] found a neat trick to preform on Dell laptops with the Ubuntu stickers given to him at his meeting with Canonical last week... place them over the Dell logo encased in the circle, they fit perfectly, stick three on top of each other and you can not see the word Dell
[17:40] <[diablo]> oh
[17:40] <[diablo]> jono, should they not really be separate channels?
[17:41] <jono> [diablo], eagles0513875 ok, so it turns out it redirects to this channel
[17:41] <jono> so you are all good
[17:41] <jono> sorry for the confusion
[17:41] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:42]  * eagles0513875 has yet to figure out why so many ubuntu channels. the language ones make sense and dev ones but virt etc dont make so much sense
[17:42] <qman__> if you've spent any time in #ubuntu, you should know why
[17:43] <qman__> way too busy
[17:43]  * \sh got rid of #ubuntu long time ago...no real input...mostly noise..
[17:49] <eagles0513875> qman__: im in kubuntu more then ubuntu as i use kde
[17:52] <zul> there is an #ubuntu channel? :)
[17:54] <SpamapS> zul: thar be dragonse
[17:55] <zul> SpamapS: heh
[17:58] <aljosa> can't figure out if there is some way to add http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ to /etc/apt/sources.list and use apt-get to install specific kernel?
[18:04] <[diablo]> jono, LOL ok cheers
[18:06] <[diablo]> mmm does laclasse not sit around here ever?
[18:26] <consumerism> i ran apt-get install mysql-server &
[18:26] <consumerism> it asked me for confirmation and then said "stopped"
[18:26] <consumerism> i thought it would run in the background. how do i resume the process?
[18:27] <patdk-wk> fg
[18:27] <patdk-wk> I dunno why you would ever do that in the background
[18:28] <consumerism> patdk-wk: thanks. i should have used screen or something, wasn't thinking
[18:39] <jmgalloway> does anyone know how to run terminal scripts using php?
[18:39] <Pici> jmgalloway: install the php5-cli package.
[18:39] <jmgalloway>  I need to be able to run command line inputs from a web page
[18:39] <jmgalloway> does that come with the php install?
[18:39] <Pici> jmgalloway: I don't think it is installed by default.
[18:40] <jmgalloway> sudo apt-get install php5-cli?
[18:40] <Pici> jmgalloway: Yep :)
[18:41] <jmgalloway> ok, its installed...is there a good web reference on how to use it?
[18:45] <Scunizi> Is byobu available for server? I can't seem to find it in the repos (apt-cache search byobu).  of course screen is there
[18:46] <kirkland> Scunizi: yes, where are you looking?
[18:46] <kirkland> Scunizi: ie, what version?
[18:46] <Scunizi> kirkland: 10.04.04 server.. Just installed and did all the updates.. did an apt-cache and "nothing"
[18:47] <Scunizi> kirkland: apt-cache search screen pulls a huge list of stuff which of course includes screen
[18:47] <Pici> !info byobu
[18:47] <tomsdale> I can ping my domain but if I open the url in a browser the request doesn't end up at the server (checked with tcpdump) Are my dns entries wrong or is it the apache config? Here is my DNS config. http://pastebin.ca/1999180
[18:48] <Scunizi> Pici: so only maveric? It also seems to be available for 10.04 kubuntu..
[18:49] <Pici> Scunizi: It should be available in the package 'byobu' since Karmic
[18:49] <Scunizi> Pici: apt-get install byobu returns "couldn't find package byobu"
[18:50] <kirkland> Scunizi: check your sources
[18:50] <kirkland> Scunizi: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:50] <kirkland> Scunizi: maybe pastebin that
[18:53] <Scunizi> kirkland: http://pastebin.com/id2HDX0L
[18:53] <kirkland> Scunizi: you're running 8.04, not 10.04
[18:54] <kirkland> Scunizi: this is a hardy system, not a lucid
[18:54] <kirkland> Scunizi: you could install byobu from a PPA for hardy, perhaps
[18:54] <kirkland> Scunizi: but byobu doesn't exist in Hardy proper
[18:54] <Scunizi> ARG!.. I should have noticed that.. could have sworn that I downloaded 10.04 yesterday.. back to the drawing board.. new download and install.... :(
[18:58] <Scunizi> My bad.. embarrasing
[19:16] <Techie> does ubuntu-server have an active automounter, and does it support read/write to OSX drives (HFS+ i think)?
[19:23] <SpamapS> Techie: I don't believe we can write to hfsplus no
[19:23] <SpamapS> Techie: though I didn't try very hard to enable write mode.... so it might have some secret way to do that.
[19:23] <SpamapS> Techie: as far as automount, yes.
[19:24] <Techie> okay, thankyou
[19:25] <Techie> im currently trying to work out some financing so that i can purchase another 500gb drive and not have to shift ~1tb of data around repeatedly
[19:34] <reggie_> hey anyone alive in here?
[19:34] <highvoltage> maybe.
[19:34] <reggie_> lol great, thank god actually
[19:34] <reggie_> I am a win admin and am just learning how to use ubuntu server, installed it on one of my old servers at work
[19:35] <reggie_> and I actually took the dive and installed the gnome desktop on top of it with ebox
[19:35] <Techie> RAID question, not really ubuntu specific, but can i stipe 2x 500gb drives and then in turn mirror the array onto a singular 1tb drive, or does it have to be 4 drives?
[19:35] <reggie_> problem is I cannot authenticate t osynaptic even though i can install from the command line
[19:36] <reggie_> i did make myself an admin but still no dice am I suppose to be part of a special group or something?
[19:36] <highvoltage> reggie_: you can add a user to the admin group if you want them to be able to use sudo to gain root access
[19:38] <reggie_> well i see my name in the admin group but it was unchecked
[19:38] <kirkland> hallyn: yo
[19:38] <reggie_> i just checked it so let me try now, btw Ubuntu is way better than I expected it to be
[19:38] <reggie_> very impressive
[19:38] <kirkland> hallyn: you and lool get the qemu-kvm bzr v. source figured out?
[19:40] <reggie_> ok highvoltage i added myself to the admin group but for some odd reason it will not autheticate using my password, am I doing someting wrong , am I suppose to create an additional user on this system just for synaptic?
[19:40] <reggie_> i did also add myself to the root group
[19:40] <reggie_> and still no dice
[19:41] <Techie> failing that, you can always make an entry in the sudoers file
[19:41] <highvoltage> reggie_: you'll have to log out and back in again for it to take effect
[19:41] <Techie> he shouldnt have to log out and in
[19:42] <reggie_> ohh ok let me try that thanx for your patience highvoltage
[19:43] <reggie_> ok well that did not work
[19:44] <Techie> reggie_: you may also wish to edit the sudoers file, this will allow you to specify specific users that can have sudo access and also you can create new entries for groups/users and limit them to certain types of commands
[19:44] <reggie_> Techie I was thinking the same thing
[19:44] <reggie_> windows is able to do this on the fly without a reboot or a logout
[19:44] <highvoltage> reggie_: what do you get when you type 'groups' on the command line?
[19:44] <reggie_> one sec have to go to the server to try this
[19:46] <reggie_> highvoltage, actually when i type groups it just list a bunch of different groups that I am guessing i belong to
[19:46] <highvoltage> reggie_: do you see the admin group in there?
[19:46] <reggie_> actually no it is not in there
[19:47] <HackeMate> hello
[19:47] <Techie> may i make a suggestion
[19:47] <reggie_> i guess the gui did not add me properly to the admin group although it is checked
[19:47] <reggie_> yes Techie please feel free
[19:47] <HackeMate> I have /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf that an user should modify, but I won't let him to get access to root user
[19:47] <HackeMate> what permissions should I give to that file?
[19:47] <HackeMate> or what group I need to set up
[19:48] <Techie> if your making a singular dedicated admin, edit the sudoers file and add a line specificaly for that user, that way nothign can go wrong and other users cant be given sudo by accident
[19:48] <HackeMate> but I only want let him modify dhcpd.conf, not every sudo files
[19:48] <databits> I'm having an issue with apache.  I was running two virtual server's, and both websites were poping up fine.  Now when I get back from my trip... If I browse to one of the websites in IE, I'm getting the main webserver directory instead of the folder pertaining to that dns.  Anyone have any idea's ?
[19:49] <highvoltage> reggie_: from an existing admin user, do a 'sudo adduser reggie admin' to add reggie (or whatever your username is) to the admin group
[19:49] <reggie_> well this is the server only one admin will access this machine and that would be me
[19:49] <Techie> and from there on, you can add further lines, so lets say ontop of you super user, you have a bunch of people that you want to be able to use sudo to restart only, then you can make another entry for them
[19:49] <reggie_> ok strange i tried what you said and it says I Am already a part of the admin group
[19:50] <reggie_> should I uncheck from gui
[19:50] <reggie_> Techie I would be the only user that has access to this server
[19:51] <Techie> well then i single modification in the sudoers file would cause you ALOT less hassle
[19:52] <reggie_> ok I am just trying to figure out why it is it telling me that I have an incorrect password entered when I am part of the admin sudo root group
[19:52] <Techie> hold up
[19:52] <Techie> just checking
[19:52] <reggie_> again i can install software with no issues from the command line since i learned the very basics of installing software on cli
[19:52] <Techie> when usig sudo, are you using your own password, or the root password?
[19:53] <Techie> using*
[19:53] <reggie_> well i am the only user created during the install so I am using my password
[19:53] <Techie> okay
[19:53] <reggie_> from what i understand so far the first user is supposedly the admin well at least on the Desktop version
[19:53] <Techie> just this line to your sudoers file and modify the username to fit
[19:54] <Techie> Techie ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[19:54] <Techie> that will allow that one user to authenticate with sudo without having to use a password
[19:54] <reggie_> ok Techie you are a pro so on the cli i am adding this with my username instead of Techie correct?
[19:54] <Techie> yes
[19:55] <Techie> and from then on if you want other poeple, you can add stuff like this, %power ALL=NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN_CMDS, MOUNT_CMDS
[19:56] <reggie_> reggie All=NOPASSWD: ALL
[19:56] <Techie> yep
[19:56] <reggie_> does that look ok ?
[19:56] <Techie> looks perfect to me
[19:56] <reggie_> ok well says command not found
[19:57] <reggie_> am I supposed to sudo
[19:57] <Techie> you have to add that to the file
[19:57] <reggie_> humm where do I find the file
[19:57] <Techie> so as root, you will have to use an editor to edit /etc/sudoers
[19:57] <reggie_> so sudo gedit
[19:57] <Techie> yes
[19:58] <reggie_> ok one sec
[19:58] <reggie_> so will I be adding this as the last line
[19:59] <reggie_> ok Techie how long will you be here
[19:59] <Techie> i will be here for awhile longer
[19:59] <reggie_> I want to do this but i need to take care of an exchange issue real quick
[19:59] <reggie_> ok great brb, thank you for helping me
[20:00] <Techie> reggie_: no problem, im trying to scrounge together an extra $35 NZD so i can sort out all my hard drive issues, so ill be around
[20:04] <kirkland> smoser: hey, are you around today?
[20:05] <smoser> yeah
[20:05] <smoser> and some tomorrow
[20:05] <Dramatic> hey fellows in arms! =)
[20:06] <Dramatic> I get: " Marking TSC unstable due to: check_tsc_sync_source failed." when trying to install ubuntu 10.10 on a Multiprocessor IBM system.
[20:06] <Dramatic> After that message the installation freez
[20:08] <Dramatic> Any clue?
[20:08] <blistov> phppgadmin 4.2.2 and 4.2.3 breaks after ... security update?
[20:08] <blistov> Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /usr/share/phpPgAdmin-4.2.3/classes/Misc.php on line 344
[20:09] <blistov> 4.2.3-1 is supposed to fix it but doesnt' seem to be available through any official Ubuntu channels.
[20:09] <blistov> Anyone fixed this?
[20:11] <Dramatic> "Marking TSC unstable due to: check_tsc_sync_source failed." => Install freeze => Hardware defunct?
[20:16] <Pindakaas> When i installed munin on a 10.04 server (sudo apt-get install munin;sudo apt-get install munin-node
[20:16] <Pindakaas> ) i get the nofication "You don't have permission to access /munin on this server" when i try to acces http://host/munin. Bot are on the same server. does anyone know what i need to do to get the web frontend to work?
[20:20] <vraa> Pindakaas, did you check that apache2 was setup with the proper munin.conf
[20:21] <Pindakaas> @ vraa. 2 weeks ago i did n ot even know what a cli server was, so im sorry if i sound a little stupid. but how do i do that?
[20:22] <vraa> np i set up my munin on 10.04 ubuntu very recently
[20:22] <vraa> http://jc.vkcsubway.com/munin/vkcsubway.com/jc.vkcsubway.com/index.html
[20:22] <vraa> first read a few of these tutorials that i used
[20:22] <vraa> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/monitoring-servers-and-clients-using-munin-in-ubuntu.html
[20:22] <vraa> http://articles.slicehost.com/2010/3/12/installing-munin-on-ubuntu
[20:22] <vraa> http://library.linode.com/server-monitoring/munin/ubuntu-10.04-lucid
[20:23] <Pindakaas> thank you i will look into that
[20:39] <reggie_> hey Techie still there?
[20:39] <reggie_> sorry I took so long
[20:40] <Techie> reggie_: yep, still here and still havent worked out where im gonna get some extra money from
[20:41] <reggie_> huh extra money?
[20:41] <reggie_> why do you need extra money
[20:41] <Techie> i need another 500gb HDD
[20:41] <Techie> and im gonna be about $35 NZD short
[20:41] <reggie_> well I have a proposal
[20:42] <Techie> im listening
[20:42] <reggie_> if you teach me Ubuntu I can send you a drive free of charge as payment for your services
[20:42] <Techie> would take too long
[20:42] <reggie_> lol well it's up to you
[20:42] <reggie_> i'm an admin so have access to quite a few things
[20:43] <Techie> as much as i owuld love to get a drive for teaching someone how to use a unix based OS
[20:43] <chrismsnz> hey guys, any canonical peeps around? I saw the press release mentioning a partnership with convirture and that Convirt 2.0 was in the partner repositories - except I can't find it in the partner repositories... anybody know the story?
[20:43] <Techie> if i leave it too long, it will cause me ALOT of trouble when creating this RAID array due to having to backup data in alot of places, as my server is already almost full
[20:44] <reggie_> I see, so 500 sata or scsi
[20:44] <Techie> sATA
[20:44] <Techie> its for my desktop rig
[20:44] <reggie_> yup looking right at it on my desk
[20:44] <reggie_> just collecting dust
[20:45] <reggie_> again all you have to do is sign on the dotted line and i would ship it to you by fedex tomorrow
[20:46] <reggie_> all i'm asking is that you think about it
[20:46] <Techie> i know
[20:46] <Techie> it sounds simple, but really its not
[20:47] <reggie_> really why is that not simple? i think i'm a quick learner
[20:48] <Techie> ive tried teaching before
[20:48] <Techie> its more a matter, of where to start, what to cover
[20:48] <Techie> how to cover it
[20:48] <reggie_> really and what was the outcome
[20:48] <reggie_> i see
[20:49] <Techie> so while it seems simple, its not
[20:49] <reggie_> well i'm trying to learn ubuntu linux admin so i can apply it to my work network
[20:49] <Techie> and also, you cant really teach unix
[20:49] <reggie_> so strictly server stuff and some admin stuff
[20:49] <Techie> its sort of something you can only be guided through
[20:49] <reggie_> why not, you learned it somehow and you seem knowledgeable
[20:50] <Techie> reggie_: thats only because ive been tinkering with my own systems for a year or so, almost everything i know is stuff that ive picked up myself
[20:50] <reggie_> ahh ok
[20:51] <reggie_> well i've purchased a book on ubuntu
[20:51] <Techie> the main problem though is the content, i know its for a server
[20:51] <reggie_> a practical guide for 10.04
[20:51] <Techie> but when learning about servers, you have to decide whether you cover the absolute basics, ssh, how to edit differnent things, networking, security and network security
[20:52] <Techie> what to do, what not to do
[20:52] <reggie_> it will cover some server stuff but i think for some stuff like the synaptic issue I would be lost even with the book, since i'm so new to this but to be fair I do have some basic understanding on how linux works since i've been experimenting with linux for 2 years now
[20:53] <Techie> so i cant really offer you lessons as per say
[20:54] <Techie> but i can offer you guidance in what interests you
[20:54] <reggie_> but never took the time to really learn it
[20:54] <reggie_> I understand
[20:55] <reggie_> I'll have to take the time to read the book and see how far I get
[20:55] <Techie> that would be best
[20:55] <reggie_> so now going back to the sudoers list
[20:55] <Techie> also dont try jump straight into setting things up for production
[20:55] <Techie> try set some things up, then if it fails... re install and start again
[20:56] <reggie_> well I Am trying to set it up first test it against active directory first before allowing users on my network access to ti
[20:56] <Techie> that way its you actually discovering how to do things, therefore you learn faster and theres some repitition
[20:56] <reggie_> so no this may be a project for the enxt few months until I have it down pat
[20:56] <Techie> yep
[20:57] <reggie_> now
[20:57] <reggie_> regarding the sudoers list
[20:57] <Techie> okay
[20:57] <reggie_> I Am at another location I was able to vnc to the server desktop so I can add the line to the list
[20:57] <reggie_> what was the command again
[20:57] <reggie_> ?
[20:57] <Techie> one sec, just gonna test somethign against one of my servers
[20:58] <reggie_> ok
[20:59] <Techie> im gonne try be real tricky here and get it all out of the way with one command
[21:00] <toast018> hello everyone. first time IRC user here... anything I should be aware of or any tips for a newb?
[21:00] <reggie_> welcome to the clubtoas
[21:00] <reggie_> toast018, *
[21:00] <toast018> thanks reggie_
[21:00] <Techie> sudo chmod 777 /etc/sudoers && echo reggie ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL >> /etc/sudoers && sudo chmod 440 /etc/sudoers
[21:01] <Techie> that should do the trick all in one line from the command line
[21:01] <reggie_> ok great give me a sec
[21:01] <Techie> if it doesnt work, then we can always do it manually
[21:01] <reggie_> toast018, i'm a win admin trying to learn here as well
[21:02] <toast018> I was thrown into it... I was working helpdesk supporting windows and fiddled with linux at home. Never a server in a production environment!
[21:02] <toast018> now Im the sys admin for 2 sites!!! Yikes!
[21:03] <reggie_> lol better buy a book like I did and come here for help
[21:03] <Techie> toast018: sites, as in 2 websites or sites as in 2 projects?
[21:04] <toast018> I did... several of them! and sites as in Buildings/locations. lol... sorry...
[21:04] <reggie_> Techie I am going to paste the response
[21:04] <Techie> i see, not trying to be too nosy here, just trying to judge difficulty, what does each site do?
[21:04] <reggie_> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[21:04] <reggie_> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[21:05] <Techie> hrmm
[21:05] <reggie_> so what are the servers being used for ?
[21:05] <toast018> its cool... One is a WIC Center and the other a Regional Health Dept.
[21:05] <Techie> okay, well the first part worked, which means the second part would have worked
[21:05] <Techie> so sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[21:06] <reggie_> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[21:06] <toast018> I admin a Mail Server (having issues with) a File Server and a dedicated Zimbra Server.  To $$$
[21:08] <Techie> toast018: linux mail servers arent that tricky once you get the hang of it
[21:08] <reggie_> i know just spent 13k on exchange 2010
[21:08] <Techie> reggie_:  try chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[21:08] <toast018> I am having to reboot the mail server Ubuntu 8.04LTS with sendmail and I have to restart it several times a week because our internet connection starts dropping packets.
[21:08] <toast018> what could be the cause?
[21:09] <hallyn> kirkland: oh, there's your ping - yeah, i assume loic has it straightened out.
[21:09] <reggie_> ok techie one sec
[21:09] <Techie> hopefully that works
[21:09] <Techie> or you may have to boot into recovery to change the permissions
[21:09] <hallyn> There is something about udd i must not be getting.  namely, how the tags are used.  i'll have to look that up when i get a few mins
[21:09] <reggie_> i'm guessing with the sudo in front of it
[21:09] <Techie> without sudo
[21:10] <Techie> basic run down of whats happened, used sudo to give everyone write permission, added the line
[21:10] <reggie_> operation not permitted
[21:10] <Techie> damnit
[21:10] <Techie> im extremely sorry to say this, but your gonna have to boot into recovery
[21:11] <reggie_> toast018, do you think you have a bad nic or perhaps a bad prt at the switch
[21:11] <Techie> i should have seen it coming aswell
[21:11] <reggie_> well if we all have write cant i use synaptic now
[21:11] <reggie_> ?
[21:11] <reggie_> and fix the issue later
[21:11] <Techie> no
[21:12] <Techie> because the current problem is sudo is refusign to work
[21:12] <toast018> reggie_: just replaced all the switches with new HP Procurves two weeks ago. so not the switches.
[21:12] <Techie> and we cant change the permissions back because the user reggie isnt the owner of the file
[21:12] <reggie_> humm have you checked the switches using the procurve manager to see if you're getting any crc errors
[21:13] <toast018> not one error...
[21:13] <reggie_> I see well here is the bad news Techie
[21:13] <reggie_> I am at another site and doing this via vnc
[21:13] <Techie> i know the feeling
[21:13] <Techie> i run a few servers in another country
[21:13] <reggie_> lol
[21:14] <reggie_> where are you located Techie
[21:14] <Techie> and if i screw up, it could be 24 hours+ by the time something gets done about it
[21:14] <Techie> in in New Zealand
[21:14] <reggie_> ohh wow no wonder you dont want to teach and wait for the drive
[21:14] <Techie> yeah
[21:14] <reggie_> toast018, still there
[21:15] <Techie> and its not the matter of waiting really
[21:15] <Techie> its the difficulty of teaching
[21:15] <toast018> still here
[21:15] <toast018> :)
[21:15] <reggie_> you can either log in to the switches via web browser , java is a dependency on this and see if any errors are being generated at those ports
[21:16] <toast018> Already have and they show no errors.
[21:16] <reggie_> or use the procurve manager to manage all of your switches
[21:16] <reggie_> interesting so could be bad nic card if I had to guess
[21:16] <Techie> toast018: packet drops are extremely normal and is usually caused by things beyond your control
[21:17] <toast018> I have them setup in a stack so I can manage all of them with one IP...
[21:17] <Techie> as an example, my home server
[21:17] <Techie> http://phpsysinfo.technz.info/
[21:17] <reggie_> try changing cat5 first and check
[21:17] <Techie> look how many packets have been dropped
[21:17] <reggie_> if that does not work then replace nic card
[21:17] <Techie> woah woah woah
[21:17] <toast018> is over 50% packet loss normal? restart thr mailserver and its fine for a day or so?
[21:17] <Techie> dont pull out the credit card just yet
[21:18] <Techie> link up the NIC to either another machine usign the same cable, or create a loop on the same machine
[21:18] <reggie_> lol Techie he's an admin not coming out of his pocket
[21:18] <Techie> i never said it was his card
[21:18] <toast018> When I say packets dropped I mean I issue a PING request from any machine and no matter the webpage I choose I get over 50% packet loss sometimes 100% then I restart and all is swell...
[21:19] <reggie_> wow cool interface for checking your server Techie
[21:19] <reggie_> how were you able to do that
[21:19] <Techie> im sure your employer would rather you actually test the hardware than just buying new stuff when theres a large possibility that the old hardware isnt faulty
[21:19] <Techie> reggie_: its called phpsysinfo, its a project on sourceforge
[21:20] <reggie_> really cool Techie
[21:20] <Techie> thats only whats publicly available
[21:20] <Techie> i have alot more cool stuff
[21:20] <reggie_> toast018, from my experience it sounds like a bad nic
[21:21] <reggie_> but if you dont have the ability to make a purchase or are on a restricted budgtet then I would try what Techie is advising
[21:21] <Techie> you have to remember that a network is only as good as the worst component, it could posibly be anything on the network
[21:21] <toast018> I will do a loop test after hours today to see what happens.
[21:22] <reggie_> what i'm trying to understand Techie is how come the permissions on a desktop install work out fine but on the server it's completely different
[21:23] <Techie> the permissions were workign fine
[21:23] <Techie> its a problem in that string of commands that i gave you
[21:23] <reggie_> i mean this is not a major issue but it would be nice to know that everything works ok after a server install
[21:23] <reggie_> reason I say it's not major is because I Am still able to install from cli
[21:24] <reggie_> wow Techie I Am looking at your hardware specs on the web page
[21:24] <reggie_> now could you please advise on how to fix when I boot to recovery mode
[21:24] <toast018> Thanks techie for the cool link. I downloaded it and will more than likely install it on our machines.
[21:25] <Techie> reggie_: chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[21:25] <reggie_> does recovery mode work with networking and if so is there a way of accessing through ssh perhaps
[21:25] <toast018> anyway it will notify you if you set certain peramiters like if CPU usage gets to 65% send an email?
[21:25] <Techie> toast018: its just a bit of php, so you can serve it with almost any webserver, and on windows and *nix
[21:26] <Techie> reggie_: sorry
[21:26] <Techie> recovery mode is almost like safe mode
[21:26] <toast018> I have two NIC cards on the mail server anyway I can copy the config from one and apply it to the other so I can use the second nic?
[21:26] <Techie> it requires you to reboot the machine and physicaly be ther to perform the maintenance
[21:26] <reggie_> hey Techie please dont apologize, I appreciate you taking the time in trying to help me out
[21:27] <Techie> toast018: yes, see the file /etc/networking/interfaces
[21:27] <reggie_> toast018, are you using gui on your servers or working strictly from commmand line
[21:28] <Techie> im gonna sound a bit cruel here
[21:29] <reggie_> lol let me guess
[21:29] <reggie_> no gui on servers
[21:29] <Techie> if starting to work with *nix servers when coming from a win background, it may be extremely tempting to install a GUI
[21:29] <Techie> but i urge you not to
[21:29] <reggie_> that's not being cruel
[21:30] <Techie> learn to do everything from command line, sure the learning curve is ALOT steeper, but you will learn faster due to necessity
[21:30] <reggie_> i get the same advice from a friend of mine who admins Redhat servers
[21:30] <Techie> also you will then know how to recover your system if you ever need to use recovery mode
[21:30] <reggie_> I see
[21:31] <reggie_> Techie you dont understand it's more than tempting
[21:31] <reggie_> i just feel naked without a GUI
[21:32] <reggie_> fell almost helpless, I will have to rethink everything with this linux server
[21:32] <Techie> i do understand, i was once a complete noob
[21:33] <reggie_> well there you have it
[21:33] <reggie_> so you dont even reccomend using ebox or webmin to administer the server
[21:33] <reggie_> ?
[21:34] <Techie> not as a primary way of working
[21:34] <Techie> i myself have webmin
[21:34] <Techie> but only for when im workign from a restrictive network
[21:34] <reggie_> ok gotcha
[21:34] <guntbert> don't recommend it though...
[21:35] <reggie_> well then I am at square one
[21:35] <reggie_> crap
[21:35] <Techie> also keep in mind that webmin isnt supported by the ubuntu-server team
[21:35] <guntbert> and ebox is plain evil (in my eyes)
[21:35] <reggie_> ok got it
[21:35] <reggie_> why is it evil?
[21:36] <Techie> webmin doesnt play completely nicely with the debian package manager
[21:36] <guntbert> reggie_: it insists on using it's own config files - so no easy way back after using it
[21:36] <Techie> ive trashed my server numerous times with webmin because i didnt think things through
[21:36] <reggie_> ahh ok so what you're saying once installed there is no alternative on administering the system except using webmin???
[21:37] <toast018> reggie_: I use CL only no GUI sorry had to step out for a sec
[21:37] <reggie_> no problem ok so you're not a complete noob lol
[21:38] <reggie_> it felt nice having another noob here with me for a sec
[21:38] <reggie_> lol wishful thinking
[21:38] <Techie> your still both in the same boat
[21:38] <reggie_> well thank you for pointing that out Techie
[21:38] <reggie_> :)
[21:38] <toast018> I am still a newb but am forcing myself to use the CL only
[21:39] <reggie_> i see
[21:39] <toast018> thanks Techie ;)
[21:39] <Techie> which is actually the best thing to do, the only reason im as fluent as i am today is because for about a month, all i had was a command line
[21:39] <reggie_> ok well I am not stubborn i will use the cli
[21:40] <toast018> I setup a CL only server at home that I tinker with just to get use to it. Also use my Moto Droid to do a lot on the server at home too...
[21:40] <Techie> iven watched movies on the command line
[21:40] <toast018> dont say hackers!
[21:40] <reggie_> btw just learned the hard way Techie I cant even install anything from the cli because of the permissions
[21:40] <guntbert> reggie_: sorry, I was talking about ebox (no way back) -- with webmin you just don't use it...
[21:40] <Techie> toast018: i think i may have watched that on CLI
[21:40] <ikonia> webmin is the devil
[21:41] <Techie> oh here we go.... now everyones gonna pitch in about webmin
[21:41] <reggie_> lol huh you expect me to believe that you can watch a movie from the command line ?
[21:41] <reggie_> sort of like the matrix huh :)
[21:41] <Techie> reggie_: its more than possible
[21:41] <reggie_> very funny
[21:41] <toast018> Techie: nm I misread your message... lol... I thought you said you watched movies on CLI not watched movies in CLI lol
[21:42] <Techie> its actually not that hard
[21:42] <reggie_> huh can you please explain how that is possible
[21:42] <Techie> toast018: help me out, the differnece being what?
[21:42] <Techie> reggie_: ever seen ascii art?
[21:43] <reggie_> huh yes everytime i look at an NFO from downloading something of of Usenet
[21:43] <Techie> reggie_: well, think that but refreshing fast
[21:43] <Techie> throw in a bit of colour
[21:43] <reggie_> hummm lol well definitely not HD quality
[21:43] <Techie> stand back and its as good as anything
[21:44] <Techie> yay, the first peice of really good news for the week
[21:44]  * RoyK celebrates his 0x25s birthday
[21:44] <reggie_> got it guntbert
[21:44] <Techie> my 1tb hard drive has returned from being RMA's
[21:44] <Techie> RMA'd*
[21:44] <reggie_> nice so you'
[21:44] <reggie_> are good to go
[21:44] <Techie> no
[21:44] <Techie> thats one of my drives
[21:45] <reggie_> ohh wow lol sorry
[21:45] <Techie> its the reason why the tb drive in my server is almost completely full
[21:45] <reggie_> got excited for a minute
[21:45] <Techie> it started failing so i had to backup everything to my server
[21:46] <Techie> the 1tb in my server should be ~600gb full
[21:47] <reggie_> I see why not just buy an external and saving the excess there
[21:47] <reggie_> or build a NAS boxfor your media only
[21:48] <Techie> my server is my NAS
[21:48] <reggie_> I have to say though I came from using another distro and there are some things on the desktop I would like to see changed on Ubuntu
[21:48] <reggie_> but this is not the room to discuss that
[21:48] <Techie> and im on a budget, if i could have got an external i would have just got a new 500gb
[21:49] <reggie_> hey Techie are you an Admin as well?
[21:49] <Techie> in which term of the word?
[21:49] <reggie_> Admin as a Job, lol
[21:49] <Techie> no
[21:49] <reggie_> ohh ok
[21:49] <Techie> i am currently unemployed
[21:49] <reggie_> you should consider it
[21:50] <Techie> i am
[21:50] <toast018> you can get a 1.5TB off newegg.com for right at $100
[21:50] <toast018> if you catch it on sale. :)
[21:50] <reggie_> I dont know about New Zealand but in the states linux admins get a pretty penny for their services
[21:50] <Techie> they do here aswell, but not many places use *nix
[21:50] <b0gatyr> hi, does anyone know how to make a shell window "flash" (urgency hint) when a bell signal is sent?
[21:51] <reggie_> that penny can definitely look prettier than mine at times depending where it is you find the job
[21:51] <guntbert> b0gatyr: look for "visual bell" in the config
[21:51] <reggie_> hummm not even on the finacial side of things??
[21:52] <reggie_> I know most of the linux admins work for banks, stock market etc
[21:52] <blistov> Techie, I've been offered quite a few jobs in NZ.
[21:52] <blistov> Certainly more than Auz
[21:52] <reggie_> ahh see Techie
[21:52] <blistov> I always thought NZ was big on *nix
[21:52] <reggie_> I knew it
[21:53] <reggie_> you can thank me by teaching me nix :)
[21:53] <reggie_> for the info that is
[21:53] <Techie> i would love to get a job working as a *nix sysadmin
[21:53] <Techie> but i am currently with only one reference on my CV
[21:53] <mrmist> heh. try working as a *nix sysadmin, it'll soon cure you of that
[21:53] <Techie> and while i may have the knowledge, i dont have the qualification
[21:54] <blistov> Techie,  :)  maybe talk to the oversees recruiters.  They try to snag me on a regular basis.
[21:54] <blistov> hell, they were willing to pick me up 5-6 years ago when I had very little formal experience.
[21:54] <b0gatyr> guntbert: if I go to Edit >> Preferenced >> Terminal Bell is set, is this what you are referring to ?
[21:54] <reggie_> look i will vouch for you techie have them call me at my company if you need a reference
[21:55] <toast018> real quick. If I change auto etho to auto eth1 and iface etho to iface eth1 will that then enable the other NIC card as the primary and all I have to do si swap the cable from one to the other?
[21:55] <toast018> I am in etc/network/interface
[21:55] <toast018> under primary network interface
[21:56] <Techie> toast018: lemme take a second to read through that and make sure everythign is correct
[21:57] <Techie> toast018: sounds right, presuming that the second NIC is working and is mapped to eth1
[21:57] <Techie> also you will need to sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:57] <reggie_> Techie when you say qualification do you mean certifications?
[21:57] <Techie> and possibly sudo ifup eth1
[21:57] <Techie> reggie_: yes
[21:57] <toast018> sweet thanks Techie!
[21:58] <Techie> what i wouldnt mind doing next year, is a ubix certification
[21:58] <reggie_> well i think references would certainly be more valuable than certs
[21:58] <Techie> unix*
[21:59] <Techie> yeah, well ill have to dig up my CV from my backups and modify it
[22:00] <Techie> reggie_: is there any way i can contact you other than IRC?
[22:00] <reggie_> why yes
[22:00] <reggie_> how do you want to contact me? email?
[22:00] <reggie_> phone?
[22:02] <Techie> email is probably best at this point
[22:02] <Techie> you could email me all your details
[22:02] <Techie> my email is simple enough
[22:03] <Techie> techie (at) technz (dot) info
[22:03] <Techie> i say it like that because this channel is logged
[22:04] <reggie_> ahh got it
[22:04] <reggie_> let me send you a test email now
[22:07] <Techie> im waiting for it
[22:07] <reggie_> give me a sec
[22:07] <Techie> oh yeah, i should probably mention that _TechAway_ is me
[22:08] <toast018> techie: I made the changes... only problem is I can no longer reach the server with putty and I am at the machine now and cant ping out or go to the webmail page. :(
[22:08] <toast018> any ideas?
[22:08] <reggie_> ok just sent it
[22:09] <Techie> toast018: ifconfig | grep eth1
[22:09] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, good
[22:10] <toast018> done that and it brings up the mac address
[22:10] <reggie_> can anyone make a reccomendation on a book on Ubuntu but just on the server stuff
[22:11] <Techie> okay, replied
[22:11] <reggie_> let me take a look using owa so will need to refresh
[22:11] <reggie_> got it
[22:12] <Techie> toast018: you able to use pastebin quickly and efficiently?
[22:12] <toast018> pastebin?
[22:12] <Techie> !paste
[22:13] <toast018> how am I to get what I pasted to here? as of right now I have no internet connection on the mail server... :( lol
[22:14] <Techie> okay, im gonna need you to think for yourself slightly here
[22:14] <hallyn> kirkland: so i intend to let that settle until tomorrow :)  then propose a patch (from someone else) for kvm.ko only to be insmod'd if /usr/bin/kvm exists
[22:15] <toast018> NM guys I rebooted and the changes were pushed through. DOnt know why it didnt when I restarted networking. :)
[22:15] <toast018> sorry if im being newbish
[22:15] <Techie> toast018: ifconfig, and tell me what information is shown for eth1, i only need to know what information is shown, not hte actual information
[22:15] <Techie> oh, thats great then
[22:15] <Techie> makes all our lives easier =P
[22:16] <toast018> lol yep...
[22:16] <toast018> I will see how the traffic does over the next day. we are only working three days this week due to the holiday so hopefully it wont mess up when Im not here. (live an hour away.)
[22:17] <reggie_> lucky you
[22:17] <Techie> toast018: got ssh access?
[22:17] <reggie_> i have to work even on christmas day granted it is double pay but would rather have my time at home with the new 3d television
[22:17] <Techie> wwah, you have a 3d tele
[22:17] <Techie> what a rich dude
[22:17] <Techie> JK
[22:18] <reggie_> yea samsung 55 inch bought it saturday
[22:18] <Techie> dang
[22:18] <Techie> beats the hell outta the 50" in our lounge
[22:18] <reggie_> not rich lol just my penny is pretty shiny, but linux admins pennies shine even brighter
[22:19] <toast018> I do but if the network is stalled like it usually does I wont be able to get in...
[22:19] <Techie> although it still doesnt beat a good multi monitor setup on a computer
[22:19] <toast018> but we get $.0.47/mile and comp time so I wont mind to much. :) 100 round trip
[22:20] <reggie_> humm I would have to question that, I have my gaming rig hooked up to it and it looks magnificent
[22:20] <Techie> reggie_: 1920x1080?
[22:20] <reggie_> yes sir
[22:20] <Techie> thats 2073600 visible pixels
[22:20] <reggie_> youtube it samsung un55c8000
[22:20] <reggie_> contrast on that tv is in the millions
[22:20] <toast018> thanks for the recomendation on the NIC card. would have taken me a min to think of that... lol almos that time to head out... thanks again guys hope to see yall on here again!
[22:20] <Techie> i have 3932160 visible pixels
[22:21] <Techie> thats an extra 1.8 million pixels pixels
[22:22] <Techie> ... pixels pixels... not sure how that happened
[22:22] <reggie_> reason why i bought it is because they had avatar playing on it and ohh my god, it just looked and felt like you were part of the movie, it was surrreal
[22:22] <reggie_> it felt like i was watching it in 3d even though it was not 3d that's how the picture looks on it
[22:22] <reggie_> incredible worth every penny
[22:23] <reggie_> how can you have more pixels
[22:23] <reggie_> is this a tv or a computer monitor
[22:23] <reggie_> there is a difference you know
[22:24] <Techie> computer monitor
[22:24] <reggie_> lol that's why
[22:24] <Techie> 3 of them
[22:24] <Techie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBVivp8MY0Y
[22:24] <reggie_> this is a TV
[22:24] <Techie> thats how i game
[22:25] <reggie_> I've seen multiple monitor setupss
[22:25] <reggie_> I do have the capability have 2 nvidia 480s in SLI
[22:25] <Techie> not bad
[22:25] <reggie_> yea but wish I would have waited for the 580s
[22:25] <reggie_> same damn price
[22:26] <Techie> i run 2x ATI HD5770 Turbo's in crossfire
[22:26] <Techie> on a dual 16x PCIe board, none of this 8x/8x rubbish
[22:26] <reggie_> have 24gigs of ram and 2 ssds running raid 0 and 2 raptors running raid 0 and 3 2 tbs running raid 5
[22:26] <Techie> okay, i admit.. you got me beat there
[22:27] <Techie> 4gigs and sATA2 HDD's
[22:27] <Techie> and youve probably got a full ATX case
[22:27] <reggie_> well spent quite a bit of dollars on this rig because this is my last custom rig i will ever put together
[22:27] <reggie_> after this will just buy straight from dell or HP
[22:28] <Techie> i spent approx 1.9grand NZD
[22:28] <reggie_> but that's like 7 years or so from now
[22:28] <reggie_> lol add 4k to that for me
[22:28] <Techie> got most of my parts at cost price too
[22:28] <reggie_> i did pretty well as well i think
[22:28] <Techie> aaah the bonuse of helping out in a computer store
[22:29] <reggie_> Techie, do you know how to configure samba as well and how to link it to AD
[22:29] <Techie> didnt get payed, but i have a hell of a rig to show for it
[22:29] <Monkeygorilla> hi everybody
[22:29] <reggie_> yea same here Techie
[22:29] <Techie> im not an expert on samba, but i can be of help still
[22:29] <Monkeygorilla> can virt-viewer run with only x server installed
[22:29] <Monkeygorilla> ?
[22:29] <reggie_> ok well i am hoping I can get you once i am ready to configure that part of it
[22:30] <Monkeygorilla> i need to use gnome
[22:30] <reggie_> hey Monkeygorilla
[22:30] <Monkeygorilla> or KVM and libvirt are enough ?
[22:30] <Monkeygorilla> reggie
[22:30] <reggie_> I need to purchase a kace box for my network
[22:30] <Monkeygorilla> what ?
[22:30] <Monkeygorilla> ?
[22:30] <reggie_> lol i was just saying hello
[22:31] <Techie> Monkeygorilla: okay, start from the start, what is virt-viewer?
[22:31] <Monkeygorilla> a viewer for virtual machines running on KVM
[22:31] <DSpair> Hello all.
[22:32] <Techie> okay, from the sound of things, it should run fine without X
[22:32] <DSpair> My boos did a dist upgrade on one of our servers and GRUB is no longer functional. The server used LVM2 and GRUB. How caI restore GRUB?
[22:32] <Techie> if it works how i think it does
[22:32] <DSpair> s/caI/can/
[22:32] <Monkeygorilla> yeah of course KVM will run without x
[22:32] <DSpair> I am booted to an i386 LiveCD and I can now mount the LVM2 volumes.
[22:33] <Techie> DSpair: if you have an ubuntu livecd you can use grub-install
[22:33] <DSpair> But the server install is amd64 and I cannot chroot to the old root.
[22:34] <Monkeygorilla> but virt viewer i used to view the machines UI and manage the vm running on KVM
[22:34] <DSpair> OK, I see the problem now.
[22:35] <DSpair> The newer version (GRUB2) cannot use my LVM2 /boot volume.
[22:35] <DSpair> I will have to copy and restore it to a non-LVM volume.
[22:35] <Techie> DSpair: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[22:37] <DSpair> Techie, That article would be helpful, but I am using LVM2 volumes and not raw disk devices.
[22:37] <Techie> oh
[22:37] <Techie> i tend to stay away from LVM's, they give me headaches
[22:40] <Techie> Monkeygorilla: i know this isnt of much help if youve already put alot of work into getting things workign with KVM, but VirtualBox has an inbuilt RDP server, and the opensource version has an inbuilt VNC server, also there is a nice project that allows you to manage your VM's from any web browser using an AJAX interface
[22:41] <Monkeygorilla> okay
[22:41] <Monkeygorilla> thanks
[22:41] <Techie> no problem
[22:41] <Monkeygorilla> could you link me to the project
[22:42] <reggie_> yea Techie link me too
[22:42] <Monkeygorilla> im still downloading ubuntu server so im a considering options
[22:42] <Techie> http://www.virtualbox.org/ and http://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/
[22:42] <Monkeygorilla> and btw , my name is creative isnt it
[22:42] <Tiibiidii> hi, i want to install ubuntu server on a virtual machine, since the installation will have only one purpose and it should let me save space i wanted to use this occasion to try jeos
[22:42] <Monkeygorilla> ?
[22:43] <reggie_> huh Monkeygorilla are you serious
[22:43] <Monkeygorilla> yeah
[22:43] <Monkeygorilla> isnt creative ?
[22:43] <Tiibiidii> since i already know virtualbox (and actually i had some problems with vmware player), i was planning to use vmbuilder to generate my minimal ubuntu image for virtualbox
[22:44] <Tiibiidii> i started by supplying only the compulsory flags and parameters to the command
[22:44] <Tiibiidii> (so it should be using the default partition layout, default user, etc)
[22:44] <Tiibiidii> that is: sudo vmbuilder vbox ubuntu
[22:44] <Tiibiidii> unfortunately i got an error
[22:45] <Techie> ... and the error isss.....?
[22:45] <Tiibiidii> (i also reported it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/vmbuilder/+bug/677378 )
[22:45] <Techie> seems simple enough
[22:45] <Techie> it only wants one flag
[22:45] <Tiibiidii> does someone knows if some of the optional parameters wasn't really optional... or know a workaround to this?
[22:46] <Techie> lemme track down a man page
[22:46] <Tiibiidii> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/vmbuilder.1.html
[22:46] <reggie_> ok Techie I'm out will try your solution tomorrow, i'm leaving work to go play star wars the force unleashed 2
[22:47] <Tiibiidii> thank you for your assistance Techie in the meanwhile
[22:47] <reggie_> Techie, is great later
[22:48] <Techie> Tiibiidii: accordign to that page it doesnt support vbox anymore, i dont see it in the listed hypervisors
[22:49] <Tiibiidii> uhhhh
[22:49] <Tiibiidii> you're right
[22:49] <Techie> however IIRC, virtualbox handles VMserver images perfectly fine
[22:50] <Tiibiidii> sorry but i think that when i checked the manual, was the lucid one :/
[22:50] <Tiibiidii> Techie, uhm, but there wouldn't be a difference in the kernel?
[22:50] <Tiibiidii> i mean... i never really looked into the Jeos details
[22:50] <Techie> not really
[22:50] <Techie> it might be slighly different, but overall it should work
[22:51] <Techie> its worth a shot anyway
[22:51] <Techie> nothing ventured nothing gained
[22:51] <Tiibiidii> but since it seems to be a very minimal and stripped down system... i also understood that the kernel had only the strict minimum modules needed for working with vmware (and by using vmbuilder, one could get one working for vbox, kvm, etc.)
[22:51] <Tiibiidii> ok, i'll try
[22:52] <Tiibiidii> (indeed this should be easier than having to create it from scratch, since the vmware jeos is already inside the server iso)
[22:53] <Techie> im gonna be leaving in just under half an hour
[22:53] <Techie> just a heads up
[22:53] <Tiibiidii> (however it's strange... in the list there's vmw6 and vmserver... are these 2 different hypervisors for vmware?)
[22:54] <Monkeygorilla> hey
[22:54] <Monkeygorilla> shouldnt be the link on the topic
[22:55] <Monkeygorilla> 10.10
[22:55] <Monkeygorilla> instead of 10.04
[22:55] <Techie> actually no
[22:55] <Techie> 10.04 is a LTS so it is our preferred version
[22:56] <Monkeygorilla> ok
[22:56] <Monkeygorilla> i forgot its directed to enterprise and pro user
[22:57] <Monkeygorilla> no people like me who want to virtualise Mac osx and dont have enough ram to run a full desktop alongside
[22:57] <Monkeygorilla> ;-)
[22:57] <Monkeygorilla> lol
[22:57] <Techie> ubuntu-server is not made for enterprise severs
[22:57] <Techie> its made for everyone
[22:58] <Monkeygorilla> well
[22:58] <Monkeygorilla> but is focused of them of coure
[22:58] <Monkeygorilla> *course
[22:58] <Techie> offcourse
[22:59] <Monkeygorilla> sorry
[23:00] <Techie> also virtualizing OSX is not legal and therefore not supported by this channel, i dont mind, but i thought id let you know before you got flamed
[23:01] <Monkeygorilla> is legal if you use mac as plataform
[23:01] <Monkeygorilla> lets suppose i use linux on mac ;-)
[23:01] <Techie> no
[23:01] <Techie> both the platform and host OS have to be mac
[23:02] <Monkeygorilla> oh
[23:02] <Monkeygorilla> so i could only virtualise mac on hackintosh
[23:02] <Monkeygorilla> lol
[23:02] <Techie> no, that would still be illegal
[23:02] <air^> hopefully they change these rules soon (as xserve is being faded out)
[23:02] <Monkeygorilla> oh plataform , i forgot
[23:03] <air^> or there will be no more os x servers in any large scale environments.
[23:03] <Monkeygorilla> well i live in mx so im pretty sure im not being trackers
[23:03] <Techie> they wont, its apple were talking about... the day they allow their users to do anything like that is the day hell freezes over
[23:03] <Monkeygorilla> *tracked
[23:03] <air^> I woudldn't mind them billing 1k$ for os x server if it was allowed to be run on top of esxi.
[23:04] <Techie> Monkeygorilla: also please keep in mind that this channel is logged
[23:04] <Monkeygorilla> ok
[23:04] <Monkeygorilla> but isnt like apple is gonna check the logs and sue us
[23:04] <Techie> so if you would just say your full name and address
[23:04] <Monkeygorilla> i hope
[23:04] <Monkeygorilla> of course i wont say my name
[23:04] <Techie> =P
[23:05] <air^> :)
[23:09] <Monkeygorilla> please download ...
[23:09] <Monkeygorilla> i want my mac
[23:09] <air^> huh
[23:09] <Monkeygorilla> 400 mb out of 631
[23:10] <Monkeygorilla> why your release always weigh 631 mb
[23:10] <Monkeygorilla> im sure server install fits in less space
[23:10] <Monkeygorilla> ?
[23:11] <Techie> while the final install probably sits in less space
[23:11] <Techie> we have to have common packages for different servers on the CD
[23:11] <Techie> IE, not everyone wants to install a mail server
[23:14]  * RoyK just turrnned 0x25
[23:15] <air^> must mean it's time to get an intel x25 ;)
[23:16] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[23:16] <Tiibiidii> finished the install
[23:16] <Tiibiidii> duh, can't find the disk :/
[23:16] <Tiibiidii> dropped to a busybox shell
[23:17] <Techie> =(
[23:17] <Techie> i wish i could stay and help, but i gotta head into town to pick up my hard drive
[23:17] <Tiibiidii> it says that it can't find the disk
[23:17] <Tiibiidii> ok, no problem
[23:18] <Tiibiidii> however i installed on the full disk, and setup the mbr on the disk... so there aren't many things that could've failed
[23:18] <Tiibiidii> maybe it's indeed a problem due to this not being vmware
[23:19] <Tiibiidii> but if anyone knows how to debug this (in busybox there's no fdisk to check for the disk attached)
[23:19] <Tiibiidii> it could help (don't know... maybe inside /proc there's some information about disks... i'll look)
[23:21] <Monkeygorilla> groooooooooar , godamn internet , download
[23:21] <Tiibiidii> /proc/devices is empty
[23:21] <Monkeygorilla> 460 out of 641
[23:21] <Monkeygorilla> i hate having 1mbps
[23:21] <Techie> wow, thats bad
[23:22] <air^> don't blame the internet if your own connection sux.
[23:22] <Tiibiidii>  /proc/devices is empty <-- duh, i'm dumb... it's a file, not a directory
[23:22] <Techie> i usually have between 2Mbps and 3.4Mbps
[23:22] <Monkeygorilla> 26:51 remaning
[23:22] <Monkeygorilla> i do have 2mbps
[23:22] <Techie> and thats my line sync rate, not actual download rate
[23:22] <Monkeygorilla> but is up to 2megs
[23:22] <Monkeygorilla> they give me 1
[23:22] <Tiibiidii> Techie, have you any idea on where to check for disk devices inside /proc ?
[23:23] <Tiibiidii> (otherwise i'll gave up and try another install)
[23:23] <Techie> nope
[23:23] <Monkeygorilla> yeah
[23:23] <Techie> just install ubuntu-server and work your way up from there
[23:23] <air^> what about /proc/diskstats ?
[23:23] <Monkeygorilla> i should go to the phone and complain
[23:24] <air^> $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[23:24] <air^> Attached devices:
[23:24] <air^> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
[23:24] <air^>   Vendor: ATA      Model: MAXTOR STM316081 Rev: 3.AA
[23:24] <air^>   Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 05
[23:24] <air^> etc.
[23:24] <Techie> Monkeygorilla: check that your line can actually handle the 2Mbps first
[23:24] <DSpair> OK, I got the partitions resized and created a /dev/sda2 /boot partition. I am now getting a "grub>" prompt, but it cannot find the kernel in order to boot.
[23:24] <Tiibiidii> uhm... /proc/scsi/scsi finds only the dvd drive
[23:25] <Monkeygorilla> ADSL : max 4096 kbps  download
[23:25] <Tiibiidii> in /proc/diskstats there are a lot of numbers... unfortunately it seems that busybox doesn't have a pager, so i'm unable to read all of it :P
[23:25] <air^> maybe it's nothing relevant. :)
[23:25] <Monkeygorilla> and they (incorrectly) set up 1024
[23:25] <Tiibiidii> (and my keyboard doesn't have a scroll lock key to do otherwise)
[23:25] <Monkeygorilla> of course it can handle 2 megs
[23:25] <Monkeygorilla> im so angrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry!
[23:25] <Techie> Tiibiidii: is that your actual max possible sync rate on your modem?
[23:26] <air^> Tiibiidii: well, it's the last rows that list the drives.
[23:26] <Monkeygorilla> yeah
[23:26] <air^> Tiibiidii: I got a proper listing from sda, sda1, -> md0.
[23:26] <Monkeygorilla> they maid a fucking mistake and set up my router to 1024 mbs instead os 2048
[23:26] <air^> what's the last thing you see? dvd?
[23:27] <Tiibiidii> i have ram1 to ram15, then loop0 to loop7 and then sr0
[23:27] <Tiibiidii> so yes, dvd
[23:27] <air^> ok. seems it doesn't find any drives, very strange.
[23:27] <Techie> okay, im off cya everyone
[23:27] <Tiibiidii> ok, i could try remounting the drive on the ide channel
[23:27] <Tiibiidii> bye Techie
[23:29] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[23:29] <Tiibiidii> it's slow... i think it won't work
[23:29] <Tiibiidii> uh, it worked O_o
[23:29] <Tiibiidii> great :D
[23:29] <Tiibiidii> (i guess i should disable the quiet flag from grub, to get more information at the next boot)
[23:30] <Tiibiidii> air^, do you have any suggestion to check that everything is working ok?
[23:30] <Tiibiidii> (i mean: the scsi driver isn't working... and if it was supposed to, there could be other problems around that i don't know of)
[23:30] <air^> Tiibiidii: sorry, no suggestions. what hardware are you running on?
[23:31] <Tiibiidii> virtualbox
[23:31] <air^> ah, sorry, can't help you then :)
[23:31] <Tiibiidii> oh ok
[23:31] <Tiibiidii> do you know better vmware, maybe :) ?
[23:32] <air^> I prefer esxi :)
[23:32] <air^> but I suppose that wont help you very much :D
[23:32] <Tiibiidii> yeah
[23:32] <Tiibiidii> but maybe
[23:32] <Tiibiidii> you can help by telling me if i'm doing something terribly terribly wrong :P
[23:32] <Tiibiidii> i'm looking into hadoop
[23:33] <Tiibiidii> for that i downloaded a clouder vmware image
[23:33] <Tiibiidii> i installed vmware player
[23:33] <Tiibiidii> but i got an horrible problem with the numpad of the keyboard
[23:34] <Tiibiidii> (i mean: by pressing iopjkl it displays 456123... and the rest of the keyboard is inert)
[23:34] <Tiibiidii> i tried to enable/disable the related setting in the vmware bios to no avail
[23:34] <Tiibiidii> tried to look into the ubuntu desktop, nothing again
[23:35] <Tiibiidii> as you can guess, trying to fix a problem without a keyboard isn't exactly pleasant :P
[23:35] <Tiibiidii> so i decided to install an ubuntu from scratch
[23:35] <Tiibiidii> and on this setup all the tools provided by that image
[23:36] <Tiibiidii> (that is: hadoop, its filesystem and all the tasktrackers, a web interface... )
[23:36] <Tiibiidii> (things like that... shouldn't be difficult since there're also available some packages)
[23:36] <air^> sorry, I'm not familiar with that.
[23:37] <Tiibiidii> since i never liked vmware (player at least), i opted for virtualbox
[23:37] <Tiibiidii> and i decided to go with the jeos install
[23:37] <Tiibiidii> ok, but i just want to know
[23:37] <Tiibiidii> does this make any sense to you?
[23:37] <air^> sure.
[23:37] <Tiibiidii> (i mean: often i tend to overcomplicate what i need to do)
[23:37] <Tiibiidii> ok, thanks :D
[23:37] <air^> :)
[23:38] <Tiibiidii> actually i'm not familiar with hadoop either, since i used it for the first time last week :D
[23:40] <Tiibiidii> uhm... the jeos install it seems it's using 519MB... i thought it was way more svelte
[23:40] <Tiibiidii> maybe i chosed a normal install by mistake?
[23:41] <nigelb> ScottK: poke, around?
[23:41] <nigelb> ScottK: Need some help with a package, jorge asked me to talk to you
[23:42] <nigelb> Its a tar in tar package, and there are 2 patches which zul said were okay to go in.
[23:42] <nigelb> The question is how do I do it.  Never dealt with a tar in tar package
 uhm... the jeos install it seems it's using 519MB... i thought it was way more svelte <-- no, it seems it's fine
[23:43] <Tiibiidii> but actually i found out a strange thing
[23:43] <Tiibiidii> about vmbuilder
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> (i was about to close the firefox tabs i opened before)
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> i got the "vbox" hypervisor choice
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> not from a manual
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> but from the program itself
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> Available hypervisors: vmserver esxi xen kvm vbox vmw6 qemu
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> but in the manual it says only
[23:44] <Tiibiidii> xen kvm vmw6 vmserver
[23:45] <Tiibiidii> (also for older versions of the manual)