[00:07] <ajmitch> mhall119: are the rest of us able to see this spreadsheet?
[00:10] <ajmitch> mhall119: nevermind, I found it in irc logs
[00:13] <mhall119> ajmitch: I sent it to everybody in an email too
[00:13]  * ajmitch probably hadn't read that email yet, there seem to have been a few today
[00:14] <ajmitch> I guess I can stop tracking the vote count myself then
[00:17] <ajmitch> once today's deployment is out of the way I'll sit down tomorrow & review what I can
[00:17]  * ajmitch is sitting in the office at the moment
[00:24] <mhall119> thanks ajmitch
[00:56] <wendar> ajmitch,mhall119: we decided to let the .rtupdate files pass outside of /opt for quickly packages, right?
[00:56] <wendar> or, did we decide to disable dh_python2?
[00:57] <ajmitch> we decided to let them be, since they at least have the package name
[00:59] <ajmitch> (this is just going from memory, would need to look up the relevant discussion)
[01:11] <wendar> ajmitch: that's what I recall too
[01:11] <wendar> so, I'll leave it
[01:12] <wendar> (If I found it in the first Quickly app, it's a safe bet it's in all of them)
[01:12] <ajmitch> yes, it is
[01:12] <ajmitch> this is partly why we left it
[01:12] <ajmitch> debian/rules is enough of a mess already :)
[01:12] <mhall119> wendar: it was decided that they were okay, IIRC
[01:47] <wendar> mhall119: are you updating the google spreadsheet pretty frequently?
[01:47] <wendar> mhall119: (I'm wondering if we can use it between each other to keep from duplicating voting efforts)
[02:00] <mhall119> wendar: whenver I see something on the ML I update it
[02:00] <wendar> mhall119: cool, thanks
[02:17] <mhall119> wendar: I'm on the east-coast, so I'll be going offline soon, but I'll update the spreadsheet in the morning
[02:19] <wendar> mhall119: no stress. I realized I always check the mailing list threads before diving in to vote, so will know if someone else already did the third


[01:43] <tommie_> hay
[03:25] <tommie_> hay
[03:57] <viktor> ef
[03:57] <viktor> ewg
[07:19] <Guest37587> hello
[07:19] <alkisg> Hello
[07:20] <Guest37587> Iam trying to update using Software Updater, it says not enough space in disk, although I have 27GB's free space
[07:21] <Guest37587> When I try to resize using Welcome screen, it says already resized
[07:21] <Guest37587> Is there any other way to resize Ubuntu mate
[07:21] <Guest37587> ?
[07:23] <diogenes_> Guest37587, run: inxi -Fxrc0
[07:24] <diogenes_> copy the output to some pastebin and share the link her
[07:24] <diogenes_> here*
[13:19] <pc> muellemi
[15:11] <mate|80873> hi
[15:13] <mate|80873> hello
[16:27] <xpkill24>  /msg NickServ identify netnet24
[17:29] <mate|92174> hi
[17:59] <xpkill24> ror mounting /dev/sdc5 at /media/ubuntu-mate/DATA: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o
[17:59] <y0sh> is the software boutique working for everyone
[18:00] <y0sh> on my main it is very slow but on my vm and pi3 it works just fine
[18:00] <y0sh> and the vm is on the main computer
[18:08] <xpkill24> Error mounting /dev/sdc5 at /media/ubuntu-mate/DATA: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid
[19:00] <josefus2> software updater tells me I have updates available. Should I download it?
[19:01] <ouroumov_> josefus2, well, yes.
[19:01] <ouroumov_> updates == good
[19:02] <josefus2> updates are scare me
[19:04] <ouroumov_> Not installing them should scare you more.
[19:04] <josefus2> I see thanks for the advice
[19:04] <ouroumov_> If you're using a new install of 16.04 you're currently vulnerable to two root-level remote code execution vulnerabilities
[19:05] <josefus2> that is what I'm running
[19:06] <ouroumov_> One of the vulnerabilities is in the bluetooth stack, the other one is in a component for DNS resolutions.
[19:06] <ouroumov_> That's the two vulns I can tell you about at the top of my head, but there are others.
[19:08] <josefus2> which updates cover that?
[19:09] <ouroumov_> josefus2, you can find that information here: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[19:12] <ouroumov_> Here are the two I mentioned: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3430-2/ https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3423-1/
[19:15] <mate|69509> Hi
[19:15] <ouroumov_> hi mate|69509
[19:15] <mate|69509> Indian languages are not in Ubuntu mate 17.10
[19:15] <mate|69509> As text entry layout
[19:16] <ouroumov_> During the install or after?
[19:16] <mate|69509> After install
[19:16] <mate|69509> When I go to text entry there is no Kannada, Malayalam..
[19:17] <ouroumov_> mate|69509, were they available in 16.04 ?
[19:17] <mate|69509> In version 17.04 .. it's available
[19:17] <mate|69509> From 17.10.. it's missing
[19:19] <ouroumov_> mate|69509, did you install language support after install?
[19:19] <ouroumov_> System -> Preferences -> Personal -> Language Support
[19:20] <ouroumov_> I think there was a bug in Beta2 where chosen language packs were deleted after install
[19:20] <mate|69509> I install Malayalam...
[19:21] <mate|69509> Oh.. May be it will fix in final
[19:21] <ouroumov_> Did you reboot since?
[19:21] <ouroumov_> Should be fixed by updates now I think
[19:23] <mate|69509> Yeah I rebooted
[19:24] <mate|69509> I installed ibus.. still not came
[19:24] <mate|69509> Anyway thanks alot... Gonna sleep
[21:19] <potier> bonsoir, tout nouveau sur ubuntu, que je découbvre à peine, quelqu'un peut il me dire s'il est possible de démarrer son ordi directement sur la page d'accueil windos , merci et bbonne nuit à toutes et tous ,
[23:04] <dror> does anyone know how to cancel global menus in mutiny.


[12:27] <Riddell> bah, qt failed on amd 64
[12:27] <Riddell> I'll take a look
[12:33] <amu> i'll change http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuKDEStatus
[12:34] <amu> otherwise we work again on the same packages ;)
[12:35] <Riddell> good idea
[12:35] <amu> arts looks good
[12:37] <amu> just works, if jeff that hears, he'll kick us
[12:38] <Riddell> best not tell him that :)
[12:39] <amu> ppc isn't tested yet ;)
[12:54] <amu> wow that was fast qt3.3.4 is on archive
[12:55] <Riddell> the build daemons are flexing their muscles again
[12:57] <amu> heheheh
[12:57] <Riddell> but not ia64 it seems
[12:58] <amu> do you want review arts?
[12:58] <Riddell> ok, where is it?
[12:58] <amu> qvfbview.cpp: In constructor 'QVFbView::QVFbView(int, int, int, int, QWidget*, const char*, uint)':
[12:58] <amu> qvfbview.cpp:118: error: cast from 'unsigned char*' to 'int' loses precision
[12:59] <Riddell> amu: yeah, fixing that now
[01:18] <KaiL_> amu: this morning, you said a fixed knetworkconf found it's way into hoary-updates..?
[01:21] <Riddell> KaiL_: 0.6.1-3ubuntu4
[01:21] <amu> ii  knetworkconf   0.6.1-3ubuntu4 Network configurator for KDE
[01:21] <KaiL_> hmm
[01:21] <KaiL_> packages.ubuntu.com doesn't see it
[01:21] <Riddell> KaiL_: packages.ubuntu.com is only rebuilt when the guy gets round to doing it
[01:22] <Riddell> and may not have hoary-updates in it
[01:22] <KaiL_> .o0(...)
[01:26] <amu> Riddell: that reminds me to change konqui's shortcut (deb)
[01:26] <amu> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:27] <Riddell> amu: never knew konqueror could do that :)
[01:27] <KaiL_> amu: apt:/?
[01:28] <amu> deb:
[01:29] <amu> amazing found dbug:
[01:30] <KaiL_> ah, cool....
[01:30] <Riddell> nice
[01:31] <KaiL_> Riddell: if you work on kubuntu-default-settings again: kontact doesn't show the newsreader...
[01:31] <KaiL_> or should I file a bug for that?
[01:32] <Riddell> KaiL_: yes, bugzilla report seems appropriate
[01:34] <KaiL_> done
[01:35] <Riddell> I wonder why the kontact developers did that anyway, they must not like knode
[01:36] <amu> i'm surprised, how many people we have http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPeople
[01:37] <Riddell> the difficulty is getting them to do something :)
[01:37] <KaiL_> 6 of them I know ;)
[01:37] <Riddell> community council tomorrow night, hopefully get a new member from that
[01:38] <Riddell> I fail to spot KaiL_ on that list
[01:39] <KaiL_> should I change that? :)
[01:39] <amu> sh: is also missing
[01:41] <Riddell> so he is
[01:41] <Riddell> KaiL_: sure, you help lots of people in #kubuntu don't you?
[01:42] <KaiL_> ok, that's an argument :)
[01:49] <Riddell> hah, KaiL_ is now one of the KubutuPeople, no escape now!
[01:59] <amu> ;)
[02:41] <Riddell> time for sleep
[02:56] <amu> n8 Riddell
[07:35] <cartel_> DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
[09:53] <JRe> morning
[09:59] <amu> JRe: morning
[10:24] <JRe> hehe new upstream release of kat :)
[10:25] <JRe> Riddell: is the anyone coding a kde util to mount usb keys and camera automatically ?
[10:56] <JRe> exclusivity for kubuntu: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kat <- kat-0.5.3
[11:27] <Riddell> JRe: I thik ivman can be used as an auto-mounter but it needs some work
[11:29] <JRe> Riddell: i have succesfully developped one using usbmount (from debian)
[11:31] <hunger_> The build daemons have not yet started on the cxx transition of kde, have they?
[11:31] <JRe> Riddell: but i can use ivman also (it's based on a dcop call)
[11:32] <Riddell> "Users which would like an icon to appear when an USB device is plugged in should use the pmount and hal packages instead."
[11:32] <hunger_> Riddell: That works mostly fine for me.
[11:32] <Riddell> does usbmount only do usb?
[11:32] <hunger_> Riddell: Why a automounter?
[11:33] <Riddell> hunger_: because people plug in a camera or whatever and expect something to happen, currently in kubuntu you have to manually find your way to media:/ and mount it
[11:34] <hunger_> Riddell: I get a icon on the desktop... window opens when I click on it.
[11:34] <hunger_> Riddell: Well, not in breezy currently as media:/ is borked there.
[11:34] <JRe> Riddell: yeah ubsmount only usb
[11:34] <Riddell> hunger_: oh yes we do have that but I have my desktop convered so I never see it :)
[11:35] <hunger_> Riddell: So do I;-)
[11:35] <hunger_> Riddell: So what should happen? Konqui pops up a window?
[11:35] <Riddell> I had to use a mac yesterday and it's horrible having to move windows around to try and find the desktop
[11:35] <JRe> Riddell: in my program kde show a window styled dialog  wich ppropose what to do
[11:35] <JRe> s/window/windowXP
[11:36] <Riddell> hunger: yes, Konqi should open at the correct media:/ url, or kaffeine should open if it's a DVD, or kscd if it's an audio CD
[11:36] <hunger> JRe: Urgs! I hate windows popping up all the tim.
[11:36] <Riddell> JRe: that's the other possibility
[11:36] <JRe> hunger: i hate to but you're not forced to start the service! it's for newbies
[11:36] <Riddell> JRe: got a screen shot?
[11:36] <hunger> Riddell: Fine... please tell me how to kill that feature once it is in place:-)
[11:36] <JRe> Riddell: no but if you're interrested i send you one tomorrow
[11:37] <Riddell> JRe: I'm interested
[11:37] <hunger> Damn newbies.... lead to all kinds of desktop clutter.
[11:38] <hunger> In the good ol' days we only started up X for mosaic.
[11:38] <JRe> hunger: ;) yeah but it's the price to pay for having my mother using debian and kde
[11:38] <Riddell> amu: did you upload arts?  I don't see it in breezy-changes
[11:39] <Riddell> pah, mosaic, ruined the web with that silly <img> tag :)
[11:39] <hunger> JRe: You can't have her take a couple of years worth of computer science courses? ;-)
[11:39] <hunger> Riddell: Right!
[11:40] <amu> Riddell: yep, got some trouble and need elmo for it
[11:40] <elmo> eh?
[11:41] <amu> oh
[11:41] <JRe> hunger: ;) ;)
[11:44] <hunger> JRe: kat 0.5.3 segfaults during indexing
[11:44] <JRe> hunger: amd64 ?
[11:44] <JRe> hunger: i386 ?
[11:44] <hunger> JRe: ix86.
[11:45] <JRe> hunger: you use my package or compiled it fro source?
[11:45] <JRe> (debian package source)
[11:45] <hunger> JRe: your package.
[11:45] <JRe> hunger: what kind of data were you indexing?
[11:46] <hunger> JRe: $HOME
[11:46] <hunger> JRe: Dunno what exactly broke it:-(
[11:46] <JRe> hunger: ;)
[11:46] <JRe> hunger: can u send me a backtrace?
[11:46] <hunger> JRe: 0.5.2 did the same... I can load the temp.kat (in current dir:-()
[11:47] <hunger> JRe: Dunno...
[11:47] <JRe> hunger: okay
[11:47] <hunger> JRe: kat does not have debug symbols in it, does it?
[11:48] <JRe> hunger: no
[11:48] <hunger> JRe: So I have to rebuild to get meaningful output:-(
[11:49] <JRe> hunger: :(
[11:49] <hunger> JRe: I'll see whether I get round to do so later.
[11:49] <JRe> hunger: sure :)
[11:50] <hunger> JRe: But I think that will have to wait for kde's cxx transition... don't have gcc < 4 anymore.
[11:50] <JRe> hunger: you run breezy?
[11:50] <hunger> JRe: Sure.
[11:51] <JRe> hunger: ;)
[11:51] <hunger> JRe: hoary is too boring (aka. stable).
[11:53] <JRe> hunger: i think so too but i can't use breezy at work
[11:54] <JRe> (aka. too unstable)
[11:54] <hunger> JRe: Lucky me: my business compi does not need to be stable.
[11:55] <JRe> hunger: :) :)
[11:55] <hunger> JRe: I get one from customers to do "real" work on... mine is just to look up docu and stuff.
[11:55] <JRe> hunger: hehe you're lucky
[11:56] <hunger> JRe: So I am fine as long as I can still use grep;-)
[11:56] <JRe> hunger: yeah grep rarely breack :)
[12:01] <JRe> Riddell: ivman has not been packages for debian! is someone doing that?
[12:02] <JRe> hunger: btw in fact kat has debuint symbols if you lauch it with command line, you may be able to see the reason of the crash
[12:18] <hunger> Yahoo... my wallets vanished again:-(
[12:22] <JRe> hunger: you're not lucky with your wallet :(
[12:23] <hunger> JRe: Dunno what you keep doing to my system;-)
[12:23] <JRe> :)
[12:33] <hunger> JRe: ASSERT: "subjobs.isEmpty()" in /home/jre/Documents/Ubuntu/kat/kat-0.5.3/src/katpreviewjob.cpp (223)
[12:34] <hunger> JRe: Seems to happen just before kat is done indexing...
[12:35] <JRe> okay i send this immediatly to the upstream
[12:36] <JRe> hunger: strange there is my directory :)
[12:37] <hunger> JRe: Of course!
[12:37] <hunger> JRe: Asserts are macros and such are set up on compile time.
[12:37] <hunger> JRe: Asserts are macros and such are set up on compile time.
[12:38] <JRe> so what i am doing wrong?
[12:38] <hunger> JRe: Nothing I'd say. There is a bug in the app.
[12:38] <JRe> okay ;)
[12:39] <hunger> JRe: Asserts are "assumptions" the developer expects to be true at a given point in a program.
[12:39] <hunger> JRe: If they are triggered then either the code or the assumption is wrong.
[12:39] <JRe> hunger: okay i see
[12:47] <Riddell> amu: shall I take kdebase now?
[12:50] <amu> yep please, libs builds fine on top of new qt and arts (i386)
[12:59] <hunger> Most of those are KDE:-)
[01:07] <Riddell> "kde 3.4.1 won't compile with gcc 4.0.1", sigh
[01:08] <hunger> Riddell: Who says so? the kde people?
[01:08] <Riddell> yes
[01:12] <JRe> how :(
[01:13] <hunger> I read that the bug was fixed that broke kde with gcc 4.0
[01:13] <Riddell> "they added new compile checks that break some modules"
[01:14] <Riddell> so it's not that it compiles code wrongly like gcc 4.0 did, just that it's even more fussy
[01:14] <Riddell> we should be able to work around it
[01:14] <hunger> Riddell: Sounds like "We coded closer to the compiler than the c++ standard" to me;-)
[01:15] <JRe> ;)
[01:18] <JRe> Riddell: so you gonna try to patch and compile it with gcc 4.0?
[01:19] <Riddell> JRe: we're using a CVS snapshot of gcc 4.0 which should have fixed the miscompile issues and maybe it doesn't have the extra checks of gcc 4.1 so it'll just work!
[01:19] <JRe> Riddell: in france we would have sayed "touch wood" ;)
[01:24] <Riddell> in Scotland we would say "contact le bois"
[03:58] <JRe> have you ever seen this: http://klik.atekon.de/?
[03:58] <JRe> it's kind of strange!
[04:01] <JRe> it seems that it had been made by knoppix user to install software through a web browser
[04:02] <JRe> and it's for kdd
[04:02] <JRe> and it's for kde
[04:03] <JRe> and debian
[04:07] <Riddell> it's interesting
[04:07] <Riddell> we do need an easier software installer
[04:07] <Riddell> but installing through the web is considered a security risk
[04:08] <Riddell> I wonder how they get licence to distribute opera
[04:08] <JRe> Riddell: yeah it's very strange there is also real player!!!
[04:08] <JRe> Riddell: i just discover it one hour ago
[04:09] <JRe> Riddell: although the idea of a web based front end for apt is not bad
[04:09] <Riddell> apt:/  :)
[04:10] <Riddell> do we have that packaged?
[04:10] <JRe> nop
[04:10] <Riddell> we should
[04:10] <JRe> Riddell: oh yeah apt:/ will pe perfect
[04:10] <JRe> Riddell: i take a look, and see what i can do
[04:15] <JRe> Riddell: the source code is juts on *.c file ;)
[04:16] <JRe> one
[04:27] <JRe> Riddell: http://klik.atekon.de/architecture/ <- interresting
[04:35] <Riddell>  /usr/bin/X11 has disappeared from breezy, need to set PATH in debian/rules to include /usr/X11R6/bin
[05:24] <Riddell> kdebase 3.4.1 compiled and konqueror even runs
[05:24] <Riddell> fantastic
[05:24] <KaiL_> wow :))
[05:25] <Riddell> amu: accessiblity, edu, multimedia, kdevelop and kdewebdev are known to have gcc 4 compile issues, fixed in SVN
[05:25] <KaiL_> the 3.4.1-Versions have still issues?
[05:26] <Riddell> gcc added some extra checks that have tripped up the compiles
[05:27] <JRe> Riddell: great!
[05:28] <Riddell> amu: we need to work out how to handle the new kde-i18n tars, and get the .pot files in there somehow for rosetta
[05:37] <KabelKasper> Riddell: I think the klik recipe points directly to the opera/reel servers, so they don't need at licence to distribute them. Have a look at the sample recipe: http://klik.atekon.de/architecture/recipe.php
[05:45] <JRe> KabelKasper: klik is a bit strange i dont like the appdir concept
[05:50] <KaiL_> hmm, is konserve always that crashy, or is this a breezy issue?
[05:51] <JRe> KaiL_: does konserve allow know to backup multiple directories in the same tar.gz ?
[05:51] <JRe> s/know/now/
[05:51] <KaiL_> no Idea
[05:52] <KaiL_> I just installed it to play a bit with it
[05:52] <KaiL_> but crashes always
[05:53] <KaiL_> maybe you can select 2 folters?
[05:53] <JRe> wow it's still the 0.10.3 version
[05:53] <JRe> KaiL_: so the bad thing it's that if you want to backup multiple dir (non subdir) you have to mke multiple tar.gz
[05:54] <JRe> KaiL_: i am wainting for the KDar package to show up :)
[05:54] <KaiL_> last release over a year ago - this looks bad
[05:54] <KaiL_> what's kDar?
[05:54] <JRe> KaiL_: a neat backuping tool
[05:55] <JRe> KaiL_: based on Dar
[05:56] <Riddell> JRe: put it on the wiki page and find someone to make a package of it
[05:56] <JRe> Riddell: someone has yet done an ITP on debian
[05:57] <JRe> Riddell: and i have already try to package it but got some issues with the libar
[05:57] <Riddell> right
[05:57] <JRe> Riddell: so i wait for the ITP guy to release his source package ;)
[05:58] <JRe> Riddell: how bad thing the itp was posted 540 days ago!
[05:59] <JRe> Ho it seems that there is a package on the kalyxo web site
[06:04] <JRe> KaiL_: no commit for konserve on the svn :( the idea  was great it was pretty simple and pretty useful
[06:05] <KaiL_> yes
[06:07] <KaiL_> except when it crashes
[06:08] <JRe> KaiL_: if you're under breezy you can test: http://kalyxo-archive.mornfall.net/pool/main/k/kdar/
[06:09] <JRe> KaiL_: it seems to be a good backuping tool
[06:14] <JRe> Kail often joins but never quit ;)
[06:14] <KaiL> damn 24h disconnect
[06:15] <JRe> ;)
[06:15] <Riddell> KaiL: what sort of connection does that?
[06:15] <JRe> adsl no?
[06:15] <KaiL> DSL from DTAG (German Telekom)
[06:15] <JRe> to avoid static ip?
[06:16] <JRe> it's the same in france
[06:16] <KaiL> yes
[06:16] <Riddell> strange
[06:16] <JRe> Riddell: it's because they actually sell static ip as an option
[06:16] <JRe> more expensive of course
[06:16] <KaiL> Riddell: here you need to pay 40 EUR for 1MBit DSL Flat
[06:18] <Riddell> I pay 25UKP per month for .5Mb
[06:18] <JRe> 35euro for 8mb
[06:18] <KaiL> hmm,  konserve seams to work again
[06:18] <Riddell> I think JRe has the best deal :)
[06:18] <KaiL> bang, or not...
[06:18] <Riddell> 8Mb?  thats speedy
[06:19] <KaiL> Riddell: ever been in Sweden?
[06:19] <JRe> Riddell: yeah and moreover i have adsl based tv + free phone in all the france
[06:19] <JRe> (voip)
[06:20] <KaiL> 100MBit Flat for 20 EUR there
[06:20] <Riddell> JRe: is that france telecom a state monopoly?
[06:20] <JRe> Riddell: hopefully not anymore
[06:20] <Riddell> JRe: are they your provider?
[06:21] <JRe> Riddell: nop
[06:21] <amu> wowb 100mbit Flat for 20 Euro
[06:21] <JRe> amu: yeah thats a conncection!
[06:21] <amu> JRe: where i must sign for such a contract ?
[06:22] <JRe> amu: in sweden if i have well understood
[06:23] <JRe> Riddell: the most funny is that my provider, Free, has build a box which run under linux!
[06:23] <amu> presupposed i've a all time down/upload rate from 12,5Mbit 24/7/365
[06:23] <JRe> amu: it's king of good ;)
[06:23] <JRe> s/king/kind/
[06:24] <KaiL> hmm, kDar creates a bit bigger files than konserve
[06:24] <JRe> KaiL: so how is kdar ?
[06:24] <amu> 100mbit for that money, isnt possible :)
[06:25] <KaiL> JRe: looks good, but much more complicate than konserve imho
[06:25] <JRe> KaiL: it's what i thinked too. But we need a program of thaht kind in kde/ubuntu
[06:25] <JRe> kubuntu
[06:26] <JRe> amu: yeah it's amazing 100 mb for only 25 euro!
[06:27] <JRe> it must be an optical fiber network
[06:28] <amu> probably you must share those 100bmit with millions other
[06:28] <JRe> ;)
[06:29] <amu> and maybe between 5:11 and 5:13 you get those 100mbit, while downloading a movie from isp
[06:29] <JRe> amu: http://www.bredband.com/se/index.jsp
[06:30] <JRe> it seems to be true!
[06:30] <JRe> and it's optical network
[06:31] <JRe> i can't understand the price tough
[07:06] <amu> please check also against existing bugs, tagged kubuntu meta-packages and packages :)
[07:07] <amu> uniq: wow that was fast, i got new batteries
[07:08] <amu> ups was here
[07:08] <uniq> amu: wow.. i haven't got my powerbook yet.. i'm guessing day after tomorrow or something.
[07:08] <uniq> but then again.. i live very decentralized.
[07:09] <amu> uniq: it comes from .nl :)
[07:10] <uniq> ok.. then it'll be just 4-5 days. :)
[07:10] <uniq> if i were on the https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide - map i'd be the one closest to the northpole :)
[07:11] <Riddell> uniq: the very centre of the northern hemisphere :)
[07:11] <uniq> very close :)
[07:16] <uniq> I'm close to Tromso -> http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/no.htm
[07:18] <uniq> any kubuntu task to be done, than i can help with?
[07:18] <uniq> make that (k)ubuntu.
[07:20] <Riddell> uniq: try and beat jre to packaging kdar
[07:20] <Riddell> he gave up
[07:20] <uniq> ok.
[07:42] <jeramy> Hi there, it looks like I'm doing the Debian/Ubuntu integration for KWifiManager.  If anybody here knows a bunch about /etc/network/interfaces, I'd appreciate your input.
[07:49] <uniq> anything specific you've got problems with?
[07:59] <uniq> riddell: this i'll be easy.. again.. kalyxo got packages of kdar, a simple recompile :)
[07:59] <uniq> (though, once i said that i asked for problems)
[08:01] <jeramy> Yeah, from everything that I've read, you can only put one essid and key in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:01] <jeramy> I'm thinking to just put the current default there, since they're stored somewhere else.
[08:04] <Riddell> jeramy: yes, only one active one (how can you have anything else?), you can comment the others out
[08:05] <jeramy> Riddell: When I played around with the GNOME tools, it would wipe out any others (unless I manually went in and commented them out).
[08:06] <jeramy> Right now, my setup doesn't even use the interfaces stuff at all.  ;)
[08:07] <Riddell> jeramy: have you done this for other distributions?  how do they manage it?
[08:08] <jeramy> No, I haven't.  The main dev for kwifimanager runs SuSE and has integrated that.  I suppose I should ask him for the format of theirs.  :)
[08:09] <jeramy> I have an idea how I'm going to do it, I just wanted to make sure there aren't any gotchas.
[08:09] <Riddell> well I'd say just comment out any existing ones when a new value is set and if the value matches any commented out lines, uncomment them
[08:10] <Riddell> wireless-essid any   works for me :)
[08:10] <jeramy> Well... that works for me.  :)  I just wonder if it's worth it to duplicate the already-stored keys.
[08:11] <jeramy> That only works though if you have no encryption setup.
[08:11] <Riddell> ok, so I need kwifimanager to handle the wireless-key I guess
[08:12] <Riddell> is kwifimanager going to talk to kismet_server ever? :)
[08:13] <uniq> jeramy: why don't make it uncomment any others.. and make a line like # KWIFIMANAGER CONFIGURATION FOLLOWS.. and wipe everything below that line, when changing.. or something?
[08:13] <jeramy> ah
[08:13] <jeramy> Yep, thought of it.
[08:14] <jeramy> ;)
[08:14] <uniq> :)
[08:16] <jeramy> About Kismet, maybe in the future, but first I want to make sure everything works first.  ;)
[08:16] <Riddell> jeramy: the scan for networks thing, that needs to be a separate process run with kdesu
[08:17] <Riddell> just incase you were looking for more programming to do on it
[08:17] <jeramy> In SVN, everything seems to work.  Only thing that's missing is integration with all non-SuSE distros and scan as root
[08:17] <jeramy> There is a scan for networks, but it currently doesn't run as root.  I have to talk with Stefan about that.
[08:18] <jeramy> Riddell: believe me, that'll be done by the time I'm done with it.  :)
[08:18] <Riddell> jeramy: excellent :)
[08:18] <jeramy> ok that sounded stupid
[08:19] <Riddell> jeramy: how does the new KDE logo look on it's artwork?
[08:19] <jeramy> Do you mean the tray applet or what?
[08:19] <Riddell> no the laptop image
[08:20] <Riddell> that work of artisic genius on kwifimanager had the old KDE logo
[08:20] <Riddell> but it should have the new one now
[08:20] <jeramy> whoops.  :)
[08:21] <jeramy> Let me check.
[08:22] <jeramy> For some stupid reason, I locked my other session and now I can't get back in.. :(
[08:24] <jeramy> Yes, it has the new logo
[08:24] <jeramy> Now will it get changed in time for KDE 4?  Hmmm...
[08:26] <Riddell> jeramy: changed in which way?
[08:26] <jeramy> to the kde 4 logo, of course.  :)
[08:27] <Riddell> well I'm pretty sure the KDE logo won't change for KDE 4 but if it doesn't I'll make sure to update kwifimanager too
[08:27] <Riddell> s/doesn't/does/
[08:27] <jeramy> Ah.  You do the art for it?
[08:28] <Riddell> I do
[08:28] <jeramy> Cooll
[08:28] <Riddell> well, it's better than what it had before
[08:29] <jeramy> Agreed.  KDE 3 was a huge step forward in terms of looks.
[08:35] <Riddell> amu: kdeedu has had gcc 4 fixes today or yesterday, take a look at kde-cvs and pick them out
[08:36] <amu> Riddell: thx 4info randomly picked up them
[08:37] <amu> someone without work :) ?
[08:37] <Riddell> amu: done by the SuSE packager actually
[08:38] <Riddell> a lot more friendly than the red hat packagers who don't send their fixes back
[08:39] <amu> sure in this case suse is cool, i'm all time looking for the latest sourceCD's :)
[08:39] <froud> Hi, just tried adding a wlan pcmcia to my laptop I got the Atheros chipset working no problem, but the card is recognized as eth1 (should this not be wlan0)
[08:40] <Riddell> froud: depends how the driver is written, my wifi card is eth1
[08:40] <froud> also even though I use knetworkconf for config of IP etc, it only has the address and netmask I could not define values such as gateway broadcast etc
[08:41] <froud> I had to manuall edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:41] <froud> to get it working
[08:41] <froud> for some reason each time I used knetworkconf the gateway and the nameserver info was not added to the iface in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:41] <Riddell> froud: hmm, I think there's a bugzilla report for that.  knetworkconf need testing
[08:42] <froud> Ok, so it is a known problem
[08:42] <froud> Thanks
[08:42] <amu> froud: eth/wlan no prob
[08:42] <Riddell> lamont-away: what's wrong with it?
[08:42] <amu> lamont-away: dbus-qt at least
[08:43] <froud> Riddell: btw, we have a kubuntu kwick guide in svn that is looking very good and we have a installation guide
[08:43] <lamont> dh_install -pkdm
[08:43] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess': No such file or directory
[08:43] <lamont> does it maybe look at DEB_* variables to decide what to do?
[08:43] <froud> Riddell: will have it ready soon so you can upload then to the web site :-)
[08:43] <Riddell> froud: excellent, great news
[08:44] <froud> Ok c ya back to work
[08:47] <Riddell> lamont: should be just a generated file, I'll take a look
[09:11] <lamont> dear kubuntu-meta guy.  next time you upload, please add hppa to the list of architectures from ports.ubuntu.com.  kthxbye
[09:16] <KaiL> ia64, sparc, hppa
[09:16] <KaiL> what's next? my toaster? :)
[09:18] <jeramy> yup
[09:57] <Riddell> haggai: could you op on #kubuntu
[10:18] <Riddell> technical board meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting, community meeting in 2 hours
[10:21] <uniq> maybe i should try for membership..
[10:21] <Riddell> uniq: do you have a wiki page?
[10:21] <uniq> riddell: yes..
[10:21] <uniq> wiki.ubuntu.com/FrodeDoeving
[10:21] <Riddell> of course, I've seen it
[10:21] <uniq> :)
[10:23] <Riddell> uniq: add yourself to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda and go for it
[10:24] <uniq> ok. if you say so :)
[10:24] <Riddell> think up something good in answer to "tell us about yourself and why you'd like to help ubuntu"
[10:24] <uniq> heh.
[10:24] <uniq> ok.
[10:25] <Riddell> and "because debian new maintainer process is too much work" isn't an answer :)
[10:26] <uniq> haha.. :)
[10:29] <doko> Riddell, the kdebase build failure looks like some xorg reorganisation ...
[10:30] <doko> maybe wait for daniels
[10:31] <jeramy> Did it fail today?  I built it a couple of days ago no problem.
[10:32] <Riddell> jeramy: new KDE version, new X bits
[10:33] <Riddell> and I can't get pbuilder to work due to depends not happy
[10:33] <Riddell> well I just uploaded a new version
[10:36] <amu> uniq: i've a special request for you: http://kpod.sourceforge.net/ipodslave/
[10:37] <uniq> amu: ok.. nice.. i'd have to by an ipod then.. i guess :)
[10:38] <amu> uniq: could you package it please
[10:38] <doko> "just uploading" is bad ...
[10:38] <Riddell> doko: agreed, what's the best way to test?
[10:39] <uniq> amu: i'll take a look at it.. currently fighting with kdar.. but i think i'll put it on hold.. some c++ strangeness i can't figure out.. right now.
[10:40] <amu> uniq: cool, no prob there's no timelinit, just nice to have, asked maybe you hang boring around and you dont know what to do ;)
[10:40] <doko> Riddell, the dependencies should be fine again
[10:42] <uniq> amu: good :)


[00:28] <slangasek> xnox: perhaps you have some idea why apt consistently segfaults for me in trusty, even after I downgrade to the version before your no-change rebuild? (bug #1249137)
[00:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1249137 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-cache crashed with SIGSEGV in pkgRecords::Lookup()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1249137
[00:53] <infinity> slangasek: Back up /var/lib/apt/lists and wipe it out and see if you can reproduce?
[00:53] <slangasek> I believe I did that once already, but let's see
[00:55] <slangasek> still reproducible
[00:55] <infinity> And perhaps more interestingly, throw your sources.list in a chroot and see if you can reproduce there too, cause then it might be huntable.
[00:55] <infinity> (Or include it in the bug report, at least)
[03:10] <xnox> slangasek: I guess "apt-cache stats" is also crashing for you? it's crashing where it's doing a jump to within a package iterator.
[03:10] <slangasek> xnox: no, that doesn't crash
[03:11] <xnox> hm.
[03:12] <xnox> It would point to malformed cache, e.g. a package without Description.
[03:12] <slangasek> curious
[03:15] <xnox> slangasek: apt-cache pkgnames | xargs apt-cache showpkg
[03:15] <xnox> should iterate all of them and hopefully point out a broken one, if there is one.
[03:16] <xnox> albeit that also doesn't do jump to description, hm.
[03:16] <slangasek> perhaps xargs -n1 ?
[03:16] <xnox> it takes .....
[03:16] <xnox> it doesn't have to be one by one.
[03:17] <slangasek> sure, but how will I know which package broke it if it breaks before it displays the package?
[03:17] <xnox> =)
[03:17] <xnox> ok.
[03:17] <xnox> it all works here for me....
[03:18] <slangasek> well, 'showpkg' didn't fail, at least
[03:19] <slangasek> afk for a bit
[03:19] <slangasek>  process and file security contexts and tE: Handler silently failed
[03:19] <slangasek> that's more fun
[03:20] <slangasek> still afk, though
[03:22] <xnox> =/
[03:23] <xnox> the other option is to add more validation / prints to the iterator used. And e.g. make it skip a record.
[03:27] <xnox> slangasek: big data tells me you are not alone.
[03:27] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/869348
[03:27] <ubot2> xnox: Error: launchpad bug 869348 not found
[03:27] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/970729
[03:27] <ubot2> xnox: Error: launchpad bug 970729 not found
[03:27] <xnox> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=apt&period=month
[03:32] <xnox> slangasek: it's a pre-existing condition, not covered by TIL care plan =)
[03:33] <xnox> but i'll look into it. about ~1 000 crashes submitted.
[03:35] <xnox> slangasek: you can wipe sudo rm -i /var/cache/apt/*.bin and check if that helps or not.
[03:37] <xnox> rm -i /var/cache/apt/*.bin && apt-cache gencaches
[04:00] <rbasak> infinity: ^^ thanks! For the other releases, do we just need to upload suitably versioned backports to NEW those, too?
[04:00] <rbasak> utlemming: ^^
[04:19] <infinity> rbasak: Yeah.  Though, ideally, only after my last comments on the bug are addressed. :P
[04:19] <infinity> rbasak: (Feel free to do that yourself, if you like)
[04:19] <rbasak> infinity: ack
[04:19] <infinity> Oh, except that Ben copyrighted the packaging to himself so, technically, only he can relicense it...
[04:19] <infinity> (That really should be (c) Canonical, if he's doing this on work time)
[04:20] <rbasak> I noticed that but I left it
[04:20] <rbasak> The difficult with upstream taking patches didn't occur to me.
[04:23] <infinity> rbasak: It's a non-issue if the person patching the package takes care to explicitly license the patches, but that's hardly in the spirit of ease of collaboration, IMO.
[04:24] <infinity> rbasak: Package licensing matching upstream just means you can forget about the mess and people can pick and choose what they want.
[04:25] <infinity> (There could be rare occasions where you intentionally want your packaging under a specific license, but in the case of this package, 99% of the packaging is non-copyrightable fluff anyway, and the patches would be the only bits that would be interesting..)
[04:25] <rbasak> infinity: agreed. Though if I were being facetious, I'd use a debian/patches/* entry in debian/copyright :-P
[04:25] <infinity> rbasak: Sure, that would be the valid way to go if you wanted "my cool packaging scripts are GPL-2 and I don't want you abusing them, but my patches match upstream's WTF license".
[04:25] <infinity> But there's nothing cool in this debian/* :)
[04:26] <rbasak> Yeah I figure "same as upstream" licensing makes sense for debian/*
[04:30] <infinity> rbasak: Anyhow, if you want to tidy up some of the bits in my points 1 through 6 instead of waiting for Ben to get to it, that won't hurt my feelings.
[04:31] <infinity> rbasak: Cause, as a sponsor, it's totally your responsibility what you upload. :P
[04:37] <rbasak> infinity: I'll make sure they get done. But I'd like utlemming's response first. I think he's eager to fix it all up anyway, as he wants this in Debian too.
[09:13] <Laney> Mmm, yeah, I'm getting that segfault too, interesting
[09:13] <Laney> Only inside my trusty container, mind
[09:18] <Laney> And now it's disappeared after an apt update
[09:18] <Laney> apt-get update
[11:01] <cjwatson> slangasek: 1242417> the kubuntu-settings change that triggered that was introduced in raring, so it should probably be included back to there
[11:02] <cjwatson> (which raises the question of why people only complained about that as of saucy ...)
[11:04] <cjwatson> infinity: maybe I should finish my grand maintenance-check refactoring if I decide I can't face anything else today ...
[11:20] <tkamppeter> Hi, CUPS 1.7.0 final got released, Saucy has 1.7rc1 plus a patch with many changes of 1.7.0. Remaining changes to the final are several bug fixes, modifying around 500 code lines. Can we put this onto Saucy? And if so, how should I proceed?
[11:23] <rbasak> tkamppeter: are you familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases ? This might help you.
[11:24] <tkamppeter> rbasak, thanks, will look into this.
[16:34] <slangasek> xnox: wiping /var/cache/apt/*.bin did not help, no :)
[16:35] <xnox> slangasek: sigh...
[16:46] <slangasek> cjwatson: kubuntu-settings> back to raring and no further?  It would be easiest to just include it all the way back to precise
[16:47] <cjwatson> it won't hurt to pull it back further, if it's easier
[16:53]  * cjwatson goes back and does a bunch of elderly Debian-reflecting removals
[16:53]  * slangasek grins
[16:53] <cjwatson> Some really crusty stuff in here
[16:53] <cjwatson> Satisfying though :-)
[16:54] <cjwatson> I just removed sysklogd ...
[17:17] <cjwatson> ahh, finally managed to unwind enough dependencies to remove horde3
[17:33] <xnox> cjwatson: would it be terrible to migrate libpinyin4 into release pocket, yet not remove old abi binaries libpinyin2 and libpinyin2-dev ?
[17:34] <xnox> cjwatson: at the moment ubuntu-keyboard code review was accepted, but it's challenging to test, due to enabling "-proposed".
[17:35] <cjwatson> but the CI people seemed to think that ought to be fixed
[17:35] <cjwatson> I'm pretty reluctant to force things like this because it's too easy to miss something
[17:36] <xnox> cjwatson: it has been fixed in the merger, and was the case in the daily  build-ppa. But when one does manual testing on personal device, the image one flashes doesn't have -proposed enabled.
[17:36] <xnox> cjwatson: Ok, i will work with manual testing reviewer to pull the needed debs from the archive.
[17:36] <cjwatson> that's easy to fix, surely?
[17:36] <cjwatson> I mean, if it's local, you can pull the .debs, or edit sources.list, or whatever
[17:37] <xnox> cjwatson: that appears to be challenging, I'll see if we can improve current procedures to include needed steps for -proposed.
[17:38] <xnox> (not to me, but manual reviewers that is)
[17:38] <cjwatson> I was about to ask :)
[17:38] <cjwatson> this is going to come up again for other reasons, so I don't think our standard answer should be to force - indeed I think it's better to ensure that we can cope with it
[17:38] <cjwatson> and better to do so at a point when it's relatively non-urgent
[17:39] <xnox> yeah. ack.
[20:00] <slangasek> bdmurray, stgraber: would appreciate review of the shim-signed in -proposed (incl. the one in precise-proposed/new), bug #1246910 is gathering a fair number of dupes
[20:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1246910 in shim-signed (Ubuntu Saucy) "package shim-signed 1.3+0.4-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1. " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1246910
[20:02] <stgraber> slangasek: sure, looking now
[20:05] <stgraber> that's for the special one, will do the others with sru-review in a sec
[20:06] <infinity> Did you remember to override it to main?
[20:06] <stgraber> if we get much more of those, I may end up patching sru-review to deal with that LP bug and let you accept from New, and using the right component
[20:06] <stgraber> infinity: I did
[20:07]  * infinity fires up some more glibc test builds and goes to find lunch.
[20:09] <stgraber> slangasek: and accepted everywhere. Considering the minimal delta and the fact it's a straight cherry-pick, I think it'd be safe to reduce the waiting period on those, so we can probably release that one early next week
[20:10] <slangasek> stgraber: thanks - yes, an early release would be good, considering the impact