[00:02] <xubuntu14w> when the terminal says you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem, what do I do?
[00:08] <well_laid_lawn> type that command into the terminal
[00:08] <well_laid_lawn> and hit the enter key
[00:11] <xubuntu14w> Okay, thanks, I had left out the -- before configure, now it's doing something
[00:13] <xubuntu14w> terminal says "setting up initramfs-tools...Generating /boot/...generic
[00:16] <xubuntu14w> now did the sudo apt install libxcb-keysims1, and it say unable to locate package
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> !info libxcb-keysyms1
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> you spelt it wrong
[00:22] <xubuntu14w> !info libxcb-keysyms1, I got bash !info: event not found
[00:28] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu14w:  there is a bot here with answers
[00:28] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[00:28] <well_laid_lawn> so the !info bit was to get an answer from the bot
[00:29] <well_laid_lawn> to install a package in the terminal do   sudo apt install libxcb-keysyms1
[00:31] <xubuntu14w> I don't understand the bot etc, but I will say thank you very much, I did manage to get the syntax right with your help, anddid the sudo apt install libxcb...and it did go get it, now at downloads folder>terminal ./kdanlive19.appimage does load the vide editor, your help is very much apprieciated thanks again
[00:32] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[02:33] <pikapika> Hi
[02:33] <pikapika> Anyone here who dist upgraded from 16.04 lts to 18.04 lts?
[02:34] <pikapika> and uh noticed a change in fonts for the worse and theme breakage?
[02:35] <pikapika> Hi pragmaticenigma
[02:50] <pikapika> so
[02:50] <pikapika> a big part of the annoyance is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freetype/+bug/1722508
[04:55] <tooco0l> hi everyone, is t here anyone that could assist me with a boot error im having
[04:55] <diogenes_> !ask
[04:55] <tooco0l> my apologies thanks
[04:57] <tooco0l> I am having two issues, first issue i am having is when xubuntu goes to sleep on me the screen goes black and i cannot 'awake' the screen any longer. i had to force restart and now i am getting 'failed to claim resource 16' boot error?
[04:58] <tooco0l> i have been unable to login since. my second problem is now i am in a live CD version of xubuntu in an attempt to recover some of my important files and after i mounted and decrypted the volume i found i cannot access my files in the 'root' directory. it says 'permission denied' despite having already mounted and decrypted the volume? thanks in advance!
[05:04] <diogenes_> tooco0l, your first issue might be related to the TPM (Trusted Platform Module)
[05:04] <tooco0l> thank you i was looking into that, is there anyway i can do anything about that? i checked bios i didnt find it
[05:04] <diogenes_> do you have windows too?
[05:04] <tooco0l> i only found something like intel trusted tech?
[05:04] <tooco0l> no i dont i formatted it entirely
[05:05] <tooco0l> andi should clarify its device creation failed -16
[05:06] <diogenes_> look in bios for settings to disable but first you could try to boot with acpi=off option
[05:06] <tooco0l> i will double check bios but i did and there was nothing for tpm
[05:07] <tooco0l> may i ask how to do the acpi=off?
[05:07] <diogenes_> when you reach grub menu press e
[05:08] <diogenes_> add acpi=off to the line that starts with linux
[05:08] <diogenes_> then ctrl+x
[05:08] <diogenes_> done
[05:08] <tooco0l> ill give that a try right now
[05:08] <tooco0l> thank you so much
[05:09] <tooco0l> hopefully i wont be back
[05:09] <diogenes_> no problem
[05:17] <Toocool> Hi diogenes_ no luck :( any other ideas by chance
[05:17] <Toocool> Even if it's just to recover my files from root dir
[05:20] <diogenes_> Toocool, another one is alonside acpi=off nomodeset
[05:22] <Toocool> Thanks
[05:22] <Toocool> So acpi=off nomodeset
[05:22] <diogenes_> yes and
[05:23] <diogenes_> if there is something that start with word resune
[05:23] <Toocool> ?
[05:23] <diogenes_> remove that
[05:24] <Toocool> A whole line of code ?
[05:24] <Toocool> Or just remove any command that begins with resume
[05:24] <diogenes_> yes resumexxxblablabla until space
[05:24] <well_laid_lawn> on the grub kernel command line
[05:25] <diogenes_> but onli when its present in linux line
[05:26] <Toocool> Ok so I didn't see anything with resume in it
[05:26] <Toocool> Just added acpi=off nomodeset same error
[05:26] <diogenes_> ok the also remove word quiet
[05:28] <Toocool> Now I get gave up waiting for suspend/resume device
[05:28] <Toocool> Gage up waiting for root file system Device
[05:34] <diogenes_> yes troubles, the try to back up data
[05:34] <diogenes_> then*
[05:34] <Toocool> I can't access the root directory
[05:34] <Toocool> Says permission denied when I mount the encrypted volume on the live cd
[05:34] <diogenes_> start thunar as root
[05:35] <Toocool> Tough lesson learned to always have backups huh lol
[05:35] <Toocool> You mind walking me through that
[05:35] <diogenes_> sudo -S thunar
[05:35] <diogenes_> enter
[05:37] <Toocool> Booting back up in live CD now thanks
[05:37] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[05:38] <Toocool> For future prevention of this since you helped me narrow it down to something with the drivers and it going to sleep do you think I can change the settings to prevent it from sleeping
[05:39] <diogenes_> we can investigate but no guarantees
[05:40] <Toocool> There's no settings to change how long before it sleeps
[05:40] <diogenes_> yes there is
[05:40] <diogenes_> power-manager
[05:41] <Toocool> Ok just got in
[05:41] <Toocool> Trying command line
[05:45] <Toocool> Ugh
[05:45] <Toocool> So I don't see the file system in thunar
[05:45] <Toocool> It's only on my desktop as encrypted file system until I try to double click on it and moubt it
[05:46] <diogenes_> then mount it first
[05:47] <Toocool> Ok so I did and I see it in thunar
[05:47] <appa> I'm having an issue with the pulseaudio controller, I'm trying to change the output device for an application, the option for the device is there, but it ignores me when i click and doesn't change the device.
[05:47] <appa> anyone seen that?
[05:47] <Toocool> But when I open the root folder in thunar it's blank in the regular mount it's restricted
[05:49] <diogenes_> Toocool, run: whoami and tell the the output
[05:50] <diogenes_> appa, try to change it via commandline
[05:51] <Toocool> I had to open another command line to do it because the terminal I ran thunar -s or whatever in is stuck in that command
[05:52] <Toocool> But in that terminal it is xubuntu
[05:52] <Toocool> If you're trying to check if I'm root in the file manager I am it says so in the warning box at the top
[05:53] <diogenes_> try: sudo chown xubuntu /path/to/folder
[05:55] <appa> diogenes_: I'll see if I can look it up
[05:58] <Toocool> So I got the money sign
[05:58] <Toocool> Like it successfully did something
[05:59] <diogenes_> now try to open it normally
[05:59] <Toocool> Let's see
[06:00] <Toocool> Now I can't even find the folder
[06:01] <well_laid_lawn> wasn't the folder the / one
[06:01] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[06:01] <diogenes_> what is the path to the folder?
[06:01] <Toocool> Found it
[06:02] <Toocool> Okay so I still get sane error
[06:02] <well_laid_lawn> well done
[06:02] <Toocool> Permission denied
[06:02] <Toocool> I'm gonna tear my hair out this is so frustrating!
[06:02] <diogenes_> righ click on it > properties > permissions
[06:02] <Toocool> Before i was able to see the file I needed
[06:03] <diogenes_> see who is the owner
[06:03] <Toocool> Says 1000
[06:04] <Toocool> Hold on
[06:04] <Toocool> I'm sending the file I need to recover to my phone via bluetoBlu
[06:05] <Toocool> You might have just saved my ass
[06:05] <diogenes_> in that directory right click on white space > open terminat here > sudo -S thunar
[06:05] <Toocool> Yeah the Bluetooth transfer isn't working
[06:05] <Toocool> I'll try your way
[06:06] <well_laid_lawn> the chown might have needed a -R
[06:07] <Toocool> So I did I got the sake window I had again
[06:07] <diogenes_> well_laid_lawn, good point
[06:08] <diogenes_> Toocool, try again: sudo chown -R xubuntu /path/to/folder
[06:08] <Toocool> Question for you guys
[06:09] <Toocool> Can't I change the permission of the file I want ?
[06:09] <diogenes_> yes
[06:09] <Toocool> Can't i change it to xububtu as the user with oernjsperm
[06:09] <Toocool> PermisiPer
[06:09] <Toocool> I tried it still won't transfer over Bluetooth
[06:10] <diogenes_> Toocool, try to upload it then to some googledrive
[06:12] <Toocool> What should I change on permission
[06:13] <Toocool> I can't even compress it into an archive
[06:13] <diogenes_> sudo chmod 777 /path/to/file
[06:14] <Toocool> Is there a way to paste the directory into the terminal
[06:14] <Toocool> Manually typing it took forever
[06:15] <diogenes_> you don't have to type it at all
[06:15] <Toocool> ?
[06:15] <diogenes_> just write: sudo chmod 777 and grab the file and throw it into the r=terminal
[06:15] <diogenes_> drag-and-drop
[06:15] <Toocool> Hit entry
[06:15] <Toocool> Seemed to work
[06:15] <Toocool> Now what sir
[06:16] <diogenes_> now look at the file whether its unblocked
[06:17] <Toocool> No
[06:17] <Toocool> Permission restricted
[06:18] <diogenes_> try to copy it to some external device
[06:18] <Toocool> Farthest I have gotten is to the folder I use the right click terninal you showed me run -S thunar and I could view it
[06:19] <Toocool> I don't have fksdh drive
[06:19] <Toocool> Honestly sounds like I'm sol
[06:19] <diogenes_> no pendrive?
[06:20] <Toocool> I appreciate all your help
[06:20] <Toocool> I wish I did
[06:20] <Toocool> I think I would run into same problem
[06:20] <Toocool> Cause I get permission denied aythjany I do can't even copy to desktop
[06:20] <diogenes_> then upload to google drive
[06:21] <Toocool> How do I do that if I can't even access it without going into sudo and manually clicking on it
[06:21] <Toocool> I'll try
[06:22] <diogenes_> try this; sudo -S rsync --info=progress2 /path/to/file ~/Desktop
[06:22] <diogenes_> see if it copies it
[06:36] <Toocool> Diogenes_ thanks for everything
[06:36] <Toocool> Nothing I do works :'(
[06:37] <diogenes_> Toocool, have you got a separate /home partition?
[06:38] <diogenes_> or it's all / root
[06:38] <Toocool> It's in home
[06:38] <Toocool> My file is in the home directoru
[06:38] <Toocool> Well I found it in home now
[06:38] <diogenes_> i mean is /home a separate partition?
[06:39] <Toocool> It's in home/user/virtual box /
[06:40] <diogenes_> Toocool, run in terminal; lsblk | nc termbin.com 999
[06:40] <diogenes_> share the link you get
[06:40] <diogenes_> oops it's 9999
[06:40] <diogenes_> 4 9s
[06:41] <Toocool> Termbin.com/,icg0
[06:41] <Toocool> No ,
[06:43] <diogenes_> so your only way now is to re-install () if no one in this channel has a different solution
[06:44] <diogenes_> but for re-installation, you don't have to format the drive otherwise your files will be lost
[06:44] <diogenes_> what you can try is to remove the all the folders except /home from / (root) directory and go ahead re-installing but no formatting
[06:44] <well_laid_lawn> would a chroot be an option ?
[06:45] <diogenes_> also from /home/user you need to remove all (hidden) .folders and .files before re-installing
[06:45] <diogenes_> and with chroot it's worth a try
[06:47] <diogenes_> at least there is one positive thing that we found out form all our exercises today and it's that encrypted volumes are rock solid hehe
[06:59] <Toocool> When I turn on my laptop i no longer can boot into bios I automatic boot into gnu grub
[06:59] <Toocool> Can anyone advise because I can't get it to even boot from livecd anymore
[07:01] <well_laid_lawn> grub happens after the bios power on self test so unless you disabled that in bios you should still be able to get into the bios
[07:02] <Toocool> I lost connection in sorry if anyone had advice can they post again
[07:02] <well_laid_lawn> power on and start continually hitting the key for the bios
[07:02] <well_laid_lawn> power on and start continually hitting the key for the bios
[07:02] <well_laid_lawn> grub happens after the bios power on self test so unless you disabled that in bios you should still be able to get into the bios
[07:02] <well_laid_lawn> power on and start continually hitting the key for the bios
[07:02] <knome> i don't think you can *ever* block yourself out of bios, even if you disble all possible options; it might just be a bit harder...
[07:02] <Toocool> I tried I hit f10 f12 F1 and f2 all should work for Lenovo ideapad
[07:04] <well_laid_lawn> as soon as you let go of the power button start hitting the F1 key and keep hitting it quickly
[07:04] <Toocool> I've literally restarted like 6x now I've tried hitting all the different keys since booting
[07:04] <Toocool> I did I'll try again
[07:04] <diogenes_> Toocool, might be some RAM cache or something so you can try to power off the laptop completely, unplug the charger, unplug the battery and with keep the power button pressed for at least 30 seconds then put the charger back and try again accessing the bios
[07:06] <Toocool> Okay it legit isn't booting into bios I tried every key since the moment I hit poee button until grub menu
[07:06] <Toocool> I unplugged charger
[07:06] <Toocool> My laptop is literally stuck
[07:07] <diogenes_> keep the power button pressed after unpluging charger and battery for more time
[07:07] <diogenes_> 1 minute
[07:07] <Toocool> I can't unhook battery unless I get screw drive I think
[07:08] <Toocool> Yeah I can't take out the battery
[07:08] <diogenes_> bad day ech
[07:09] <Toocool> Seriously
[07:09] <Toocool> This is unbelievable
[07:09] <Toocool> I get the hard learned lesson backup stuff yes etc etc
[07:09] <Toocool> But now I can't even turn it on ??
[07:11] <diogenes_> it happens to everyone once in a while another lesson learn is don't but products that won't allow you to easily replace parts and just have everything glued in battery ram and so on
[07:11] <diogenes_> s/but/buy
[07:15] <Toocool> Okay so I typed in exit
[07:15] <Toocool> Got to boot menu im gonna fresh install
[07:16] <Toocool> And I'll take your advice use power manager and never let it sleep again
[07:18] <diogenes_> bur first ever thing is backup
[07:20] <Toocool> Aye
[07:20] <Toocool> May I get your opinion on something while I have you here
[07:21] <Toocool> If you are familiar with virtual box at all would you know if I would incur any performance loss if I were to run my virtual box images from a flash drive ?
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> yes - usb throughput is slower
[07:22] <diogenes_> Toocool, i've never tried that so i have no clue.
[07:23] <Toocool> Thanks well_laid_lawn
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[07:26] <Toocool> You guys are awesome
[07:26] <Toocool> Really can't thank you enough for the help
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[07:27] <Toocool> Do you guys know if there is apparmor available for virtualbox on xubuntu?
[07:27] <Toocool> I've only seen it I believe for Debian repositoru
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> !info apparmor
[07:29] <Toocool> Thx I know xubuntu has default app armor profiles
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> it seems you set an apparmor profile for vbo
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> it seems you set an apparmor profile for vbox
[07:29] <Toocool> Like I would make it up myself
[07:29] <Toocool> And set the permission
[07:30] <well_laid_lawn> or find one on the net
[07:30] <Toocool> Thx
[07:30] <Toocool> And to clarify xubuntu already installs and runs apparmor normally right
[07:30] <Toocool> I think it had like 20 preinstalled profiles
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse#Enable_.2F_install_more_profiles
[07:32] <diogenes_> there is also firejail, a good sandboxing alternative
[07:38] <Toocool> Tysm
[10:42] <alberto-g> Hello, after upgrade to 18.10 I found that the top panel is not sensitive to clicks in the upper pixels.
[10:44] <alberto-g> This means that I can no longer bring the cursor all the way up and then click, I have to stay a little far from the top of the screen.
[10:44] <alberto-g> This is quite unnerving, does it happens just for me?
[10:48] <Spass> hello alberto-g, it's a small bug in Greybird GTK style, it has been fixed but the package in 18.10 is not upgraded
[10:49] <alberto-g> Thanks Spass, so do I just need to change style?
[10:49] <Spass> you can download new version from the GitHub or as a DEB package from here - https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/all/greybird-gtk-theme/download
[10:50] <Spass> if you like Greybird just install the newer version, it should fix your problem
[10:50] <alberto-g> OK Thanks a lot.
[15:42] <pikapika> also
[15:42] <pikapika> is there a way to disable this plop error sound that seems to have been added all of a sudden in 18.04?
[15:42] <pikapika> (settings -> appearance -> settings -> both sound related checkboxes are off there)
[15:43] <diogenes_> pikapika,  you mean the system bell?
[15:43] <pikapika> like for example, right there in the main settings page textbox if it is blank and I hit backspace that sound plays
[15:43] <pikapika> or if I hit backspace in empty search field in whisker menu
[15:43] <pikapika> this wasn't there in 16.04
[15:43] <pikapika> looks like the upgrade to 18.04 has done all kinds of shitty things
[15:44] <pikapika> fonts look trash, theme broke and this sound problem
[15:44] <pikapika> diogenes_, I am not sure if its system bell, I further described some examples of the sound
[15:44] <diogenes_> yes it's called bell
[15:45] <pikapika> okay, how do I disable the bell and other such system sounds
[15:45] <pikapika> not disable sound in general
[15:45] <pikapika> of course I wanna listen to music etc normally
[15:45] <diogenes_> pikapika, wait
[15:46] <diogenes_> pikapika, install dconf-editor
[15:46] <pikapika> also, just another question for everyone here until he searches the answer. If in a theme, no gtk-3.0 styling is present do gtk3 apps fall back on the styling data of the gtk-2.0 folder?
[15:46] <pikapika> hah
[15:46] <pikapika> this sound is also palying in hexchat textbox too
[15:50] <pikapika> I hate partial overrides in themes that leave incosistent color remnants of previous theme
[15:50] <pikapika> so I am considering writing my own to solve this nonsense once and for all
[15:50] <pikapika> but gtk-3.0 themes seem super complex and MAMMOTH
[15:51] <pikapika> So I am hoping a 2.0 theme would be sufficient for gtk3 apps too
[15:52] <pikapika> diogenes_, do you have any idea about this?
[15:52] <diogenes_> pikapika, not about themes but about bell i already gave you the first step
[15:52] <pikapika> Oh of course, its installing right now
[15:53] <diogenes_> then look for "bell"
[15:53] <diogenes_> and change to false all its occurrences
[15:56] <pikapika> I did and quit dconf-editor, sound still plays :(
[15:56] <diogenes_> there can be more that one place where bell is located
[15:57] <pikapika> or does it require a log out login?
[16:03] <ilias_gr> Hi all. I lost my Xubuntu session and the system log in only in a Xfce session. Any idea to restore Xubuntu session?
[16:05] <diogenes_> pikapika, also remove the old session and cache for old sessions and re-log
[16:07] <pikapika> okay
[16:08] <ilias_gr> there is only a recent xfce4-session in cache Do I have to remove it? Will this solve the problem?
[16:09] <xubuntu67f> 0
[16:10] <ilias_gr> I realized that I am in a different session because I saw some differences in my system's configuration (appeareance, fonts etc) and that I couldn't open Sound Settings through Sound indicator in panel.
[16:10] <ilias_gr>  Then I read that pavucontrol cannot open from sound indicator if the system isn't running in a Xubuntu session
[16:16] <diogenes_> ilias_gr, could be something messed up with your configs
[16:16] <diogenes_> i'd advice you to create a new user and try and see if everything wprks there
[16:16] <ilias_gr> diogenes: I am afraid so
[16:18] <ilias_gr> I just did  sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop and some files (6) were installed
[16:19] <diogenes_> why would you do that, xubuntu already comes with xfce :))
[16:20] <ilias_gr> Because I thought something is missing in my system
[16:21] <ilias_gr> I don't know I am confused
[16:21] <ilias_gr> I will try a reboot know.
[16:22] <diogenes_> then first create a new user see if that works, if not then i'm afraid only saint iGNUssius knows what you did and only a re-installation would help
[16:23] <pikapika> anyways after this thing
[16:23] <pikapika> I seriously need to write my own theme
[16:23] <pikapika> I don't know what is it with theme authors not overriding every required value but its incredibly annoying!
[16:30] <ilias_gr> Nothing changed. It stills log in a Xfce session.
[16:30] <pikapika> diogenes_, do you ever change the theme and notice that many theme authors fail to change all values and the result is well inconsistent? Example, say probably their previous theme while working on writing the new one already had a PRELIGHT background color for menus that is different to the default bg he uses for menus, so he forgets to change it. Someone installs it who happens to have had a theme previously whose PRELIGHT was the
[16:30] <pikapika> same as new themes current bg, and the result is of course not hard to guess: menu items look the same hovered or unhovered
[16:32] <diogenes_> pikapika, its because not many of them have been ported to gtk3 i still use older gtk2 and i'm happy with it
[16:33] <pikapika> Oh
[16:33] <pikapika> I see
[16:34] <diogenes_> pikapika, breeze should work fine though
[16:34] <pikapika> So is this choice between gtk2/3 purely the users (ie you can change it somewhere is system settings to only use gtk2) or is it the choice of the app developer?
[16:34] <pikapika> is it dark? I prefer dark themes
[16:34] <diogenes_> there is breeze-gtk and it has both dark and white
[16:34] <pikapika> But idk
[16:34] <pikapika> As I said
[16:35] <pikapika> the same apps that used to look fine in 16 looked broken in 18 with the same theme
[16:35] <pikapika> I am making do with another theme for the moment
[16:35] <diogenes_> pikapika, for instance if you got thunar 1.8, it's gtk3 so only gtk3 themes will work
[16:35] <diogenes_> and currently there aren't that many
[16:35] <pikapika> hmm so
[16:35] <pikapika> gtk 3 apps won't read the gtk-2.0 folder in theme?
[16:36] <pikapika> because I remember I made some edit to the themerc or some other file there
[16:36] <pikapika> and now thunar has the black background I chose there
[16:36] <pikapika> let me see which version of thunar I have
[16:36] <pikapika> ah
[16:36] <pikapika> Its 1.6
[16:36] <pikapika> I am guessing it probably uses gtk2
[16:36] <pikapika> Anyways
[16:37] <pikapika> is there any resource on writing themes, both for gtk2 and for gtk3?
[16:37] <pikapika> I wish to later write my own theme
[16:37] <pikapika> Its annoying finding and trying to fit others themes
[16:39] <diogenes_> it used to be long time ago but afaik there isn't anymore
[16:39] <diogenes_> but
[16:39] <diogenes_> you could ask in #xfce
[16:39] <diogenes_> there are the devs
[16:39] <pikapika> logged out logged in
[16:39] <pikapika> similar problems in breeze-gtk
[16:40] <pikapika> like buttons having no border nor background
[16:40] <pikapika> menu highlighted and menu normal item looking the same etc
[16:40] <diogenes_> try to removeany .gtk file if there is ny in /home
[16:40] <diogenes_> any*
[16:40] <pikapika> currently going back to the half-modified monster I made out of obsidian
[16:40] <pikapika> ah
[16:41] <pikapika> No .gtk file but a .gtkrc-2.0
[16:41] <diogenes_> yes
[16:41] <diogenes_> move it somewhere else
[16:41] <diogenes_> on desktoop
[16:41] <diogenes_> and re-log
[16:43] <pikapika> did that
[16:43] <pikapika> Same as before
[16:45] <diogenes_> weird
[16:45] <diogenes_> gotta a screshot?
[16:45] <diogenes_> screenshot*
[16:45] <pikapika> making one
[16:45] <pikapika> oh
[16:45] <pikapika> and squashed menus in xfce terminal
[16:45] <pikapika> funny
[16:45] <diogenes_> also pastebin the ls -a $HOME
[16:46] <pikapika> http://i.imgur.com/mTIUCTD.png
[16:47] <pikapika> diogenes_, these are the dotfiles present in home: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KtDNSrSdPt/
[16:49] <diogenes_> try: ark-dark and adwaita-dark
[16:49] <pikapika> no highlight on active app in panel for example
[16:50] <pikapika> diogenes_, do you know anything that does not waste space with useless large paddings etc?
[16:51] <pikapika> I want a dark theme that is compact on screen size
[16:51] <pikapika> For example the WM theme I use has very think titlebars as you can see
[16:51] <pikapika> *thin
[16:51] <diogenes_> adwaita-dark and as for wm theme ark-dark
[16:51] <pikapika> Oh I am quite happy with my wm theme, that is something I do not wish to change
[16:52] <pikapika> Btw could it be I am installing themes the wrong way? I either unpack it in /usr/share/themes or drag the archive from file manager to the Appearance window
[16:53] <diogenes_> yes, i always unpack them to /usr/share/themes
[17:18] <pikapika> this one is better
[17:18] <pikapika> I still see the menu item highlight problem though
[17:21] <pikapika> But let me see if I can edit it myself somehow
[17:21] <pikapika> This is a VERY good base
[17:21] <diogenes_> which one is good base?
[17:22] <pikapika> adwaita dark
[17:22] <pikapika> as in rather close to what I wanted
[17:23] <diogenes_> yeah, for me it's the best :)
[17:23] <pikapika> Most importantly
[17:23] <pikapika> Buttons/panel icons selected or not state is very clearly and immediately distinguishable
[17:24] <pikapika> and the hexchat notification again looks very clear too, I don't think I did it well though. Can you ping my name in a few seconds for me to check that diogenes_?
[17:24] <diogenes_> ok
[17:25] <diogenes_> pikapika, ?
[17:25] <diogenes_> tell me when
[17:25] <pikapika> Yes
[17:25] <pikapika> It worked, and yeah I noticed, its nice
[17:25] <pikapika> Thanks for thep ing
[17:25] <pikapika> Nice ligh blue/black blinking
[17:25] <diogenes_> no problem :)
[17:25] <diogenes_> so if you edit it well
[17:25] <diogenes_> care to share the result
[17:25] <diogenes_> :)
[17:25] <pikapika> Sure <3
[17:26] <pikapika> Even though I don't know anything about this thing, I am just changing colors with names I am guessing are what I think they mean
[17:26]  * pikapika snuggles diogenes_
[17:27] <diogenes_> pikapika, that's how we all learn stuff, trial and fail antil it works :)
[17:28] <pikapika> Next thing I'll have to see is how I can force system to use freetype 2.6
[17:28] <pikapika> diogenes_, which ubuntu do you use?
[17:29] <pikapika> did you upgrade from 16 to 18 and did it mess up the fonts for you too?
[17:29] <diogenes_> pikapika, i'm using MX right now
[17:29] <pikapika> oh
[17:29] <pikapika> I have no idea how it relates to the "official" versions
[17:29] <pikapika> oh
[17:30] <pikapika> its a diff distro
[17:30] <pikapika> I see
[17:30] <diogenes_> yes bedian based
[17:30] <diogenes_> debian*
[17:31] <pikapika> Hmm, I see the menu highligh bg IS in fact diff but only very subtly and slightly
[17:31] <pikapika> I'll have to make the diff stronger
[17:31] <pikapika> And yes perfect amount of spacing
[17:32] <diogenes_> looks like you gonna have a sleepless night lol because i know myself, tweaking themes is way too much time consuming :)))
[17:32] <pikapika> lol
[17:32] <pikapika> I actually hate anything to do with colors/themes etc
[17:32] <pikapika> or sizes/layout whatever
[17:32] <pikapika> you know design type stuff
[17:32] <pikapika> I absolutely suck at it
[17:33] <pikapika> But theres no other option right now so lol
[17:33] <diogenes_> i know and sometimes we must do things we don't like hehe
[17:34] <diogenes_> look at it as to a positive experience
[17:34] <pikapika> And sometimes we do things we absolutely love, like snuggling with a cute boy :)
[17:34] <pikapika> But yes, I am trying to make the best out of it
[17:35] <diogenes_> lol in my case it would be snuggling with a cute girl XD
[17:35] <pikapika> Some boys are cuter than girls :P
[17:36] <diogenes_> lol
[17:40] <pikapika> hmm
[17:40] <pikapika> open/save dialogs etc are having problems
[17:40] <pikapika> I am guessing FF is gtk3?
[17:40] <diogenes_> afaik ff is not even gtk
[17:41] <diogenes_> pikapika, for ff you need a custom css to work with darjt hemes
[17:41] <diogenes_> it's a well knows bug
[17:41] <pikapika> lmao
[17:41] <pikapika> So
[17:41] <pikapika> well
[17:41] <pikapika> at least context menus are standard there I hope?
[17:42] <pikapika> I mean I see the right click menu changing style along with theme, to varying extents
[17:42] <diogenes_> wait i will provide the instructions
[17:42] <pikapika> chrome/userChrome.css?
[17:42] <diogenes_> yes
[17:42] <pikapika> Funny
[17:42] <pikapika> That file seems to be having no effect
[17:42] <pikapika> I even tried some examples from firefox site
[17:42] <pikapika> nope
[17:42] <diogenes_> it depends on the content
[17:42] <pikapika> In what sense?
[17:43] <pikapika> and
[17:43] <pikapika> I mean I am seeing similar problems in xfce4 terminal
[17:44] <diogenes_> pastebin: cat  ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/chrome/userContent.css
[17:45] <pikapika> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRwFKR59St/
[17:47] <diogenes_> pikapika, yeah that one should work
[17:47] <brainwash> that's not something you put in userContent.css
[17:47] <pikapika> Does not seem to unfortunately. The most easily visible change would be the lack of blue border over tabs
[17:48] <pikapika> but tabs still have blue borders
[17:48] <pikapika> What do you mean brainwash?
[17:48] <brainwash> that is userChrome.css
[17:48] <pikapika> and whats the diff between userContent.css and userChrome.css?
[17:48] <brainwash> and it's missing the header lines
[17:48] <pikapika> well
[17:48] <pikapika> I have the same contents copied to userChrome as well
[17:48] <diogenes_> for me it works with userContent
[17:48] <pikapika> I have both files with same content
[17:49] <diogenes_> i used to have black text on black textareas
[17:49] <diogenes_> and that trick fixed it
[17:49] <pikapika> so userContent is basically "default stylesheet" for web pages and chrome is for the interface?
[17:50] <brainwash> I only paid attention to the last lines
[17:50] <brainwash> .tabbrowser-tab .tab-loading-burst
[17:50] <brainwash> that's for userChrome
[17:52] <pikapika> I cleared the userContent.css and placed the last declaration in userChrome.css
[17:52] <pikapika> Still no change?
[17:52] <pikapika> (and yes, restarted FF)
[18:00] <pikapika> hmm brainwash diogenes_
[18:00] <pikapika> It seems you need this before or so an official kb article states:
[18:00] <pikapika>  * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct functioning
[18:00] <pikapika>  */
[18:00] <pikapika> @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* set default namespace to XUL */
[18:02] <diogenes_> pikapika, so ut works now?
[18:02] <diogenes_> it*
[18:03] <pikapika> Let me try
[18:03] <brainwash> pikapika: that's for userChrome only I think
[18:03] <pikapika> yes
[18:03] <brainwash> >and it's missing the header lines
[18:03] <brainwash> I mentioned that
[18:12] <xubuntu03w> Hello i installed xubuntu in a device that comes with windows, and i want to change the windows button key
[18:13] <xubuntu03w> and put it in the menu
[18:16] <xubuntu03w> hello
[18:17] <brainwash> I don't quite understand
[18:18] <brainwash> maybe try to rephrase it
[18:18] <xubuntu03w> normal i explained very bad
[18:18] <xubuntu03w> sorry
[18:19] <brainwash> windows button key? a button and a key?
[18:19] <xubuntu03w> in windows when you pulse the windows button it opens a menu
[18:19] <xubuntu03w> and i want to do the same
[18:19] <brainwash> ah okay
[18:19] <brainwash> that is a bit tricky
[18:19] <xubuntu03w> ;)
[18:21] <xubuntu03w> can you help ,e ?
[18:21] <pikapika> oh
[18:21] <xubuntu03w> me*
[18:21] <pikapika> do you mean
[18:21] <pikapika> you press the win key
[18:21] <pikapika> and it should open the main menu right?
[18:21] <xubuntu03w> yes
[18:21] <pikapika> Thats easy I think
[18:21] <xubuntu03w> how can i do it?
[18:22] <pikapika> Settings -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
[18:22] <pikapika> There should be something like whisker menu popup
[18:22] <xubuntu03w> i did that
[18:22] <pikapika> and still not working?
[18:22] <xubuntu03w> and didnt see that
[18:23] <pikapika> oh
[18:23] <pikapika> I think you need to add a new one then
[18:23] <xubuntu03w> i tried it
[18:23] <brainwash> https://xfce.space/en/2017/12/xfce-and-the-super-key/
[18:23] <pikapika> xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
[18:23] <pikapika> add one with this command
[18:23] <xubuntu03w> ok
[18:24] <xubuntu03w> it works
[18:24] <xubuntu03w> thanks
[18:24] <xubuntu03w> for curiosity
[18:24] <xubuntu03w> where i can find the commands?
[18:25] <pikapika> Which method did you use?
[18:25] <xubuntu03w> all of them
[18:25] <pikapika> I believe that command is well just a normal command as you'd enter into a shell
[18:25] <xubuntu03w> i went to the keyboard, after to application shortcuts and then i created a new shortcut with the comand that gave me
[18:25] <pikapika> I typed it into a normal terminal and it opened the whisker menu just the same
[18:26] <pikapika> So these are probably just normal terminal commands for those actions
[18:26] <xubuntu03w> ah ok
[18:26] <xubuntu03w> thanks
[18:26]  * pikapika snugs xubuntu03w
[18:26] <pikapika> :)
[18:26] <xubuntu03w> and  sorry for the inconveniences ;)
[18:27] <Toocool> Happy St Paddy's day everyone! I am running xubuntu and twice now my computer has the following boot error: gave up waiting for suspend/resume device
[18:27] <Toocool> Failed to claim resource : 16
[18:42] <pikapika> brainwash, its very picky
[18:42] <pikapika> border-top for tabs its not taking
[18:42] <pikapika> but tab background color is working ifne
[18:43] <pikapika> address bar background also isn't having any effect
[18:47] <brainwash> you have to do it properly
[18:47] <brainwash> what is your source?
[18:47] <brainwash> it may be outdated
[18:48] <pikapika> Uh just finding the element class from full console and changing its styles in the css
[18:48] <brainwash> okay
[18:48] <brainwash> with !important ?
[18:48] <pikapika> Yes
[18:48] <brainwash> you don't want firefox to override your changes
[18:48] <brainwash> okay
[18:50] <brainwash> if you want someone to look over it, I suggest joining the mozilla IRC server
[18:50] <brainwash> and ask there
[18:50] <pikapika> Alright, thanks
[19:13] <pikapika> Does anyone know how I would go about installing an older version of freetype?
[19:16] <pikapika> Apparently either a newer or an older version from the one in buntu 18 will work
[19:16] <pikapika> I am trying at least to finish the first step of building the freetype
[19:16] <pikapika> I elect to go with the newer for now
[19:17] <pikapika> But how would I replace (and appropriately mark) this fact for apt, and then make it 'hold' status?
[19:18] <pikapika> Wow that downloaded fast
[20:41] <xubuntu80w> Hello, I'm having trouble getting shared folders to work, Windows 10 host, Virtualbox 6.0, Xubuntu 18, is it really that hard or am I missing something, thanks
[20:42] <xubuntu80w> xubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64
[20:44] <xubuntu80w> the Guest Additions are working, I set the folders in Virtualbox, but I don't know why so much special commands need to be run from terminal to get it working, thanks for any ideas to try
[20:49] <xubuntu80w> when I type groups $user I do not see vboxsf, what does that mean
[20:54] <xubuntu80w> I see a lot have this problem, but I wonder if there's a simple solution I'm overlooking, thanks
[22:38] <lastc> Hello everyone! I'm new to xfce (just moved from KDE) and I'm wondering if there's a way to enable hot corners on Xubuntu, like the ones from plasma


[01:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Ubuntu upload history now available in UDD - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/07/udd-ubuntu-upload-history/
[02:13] <daftykins> Azelphur: odd, i was just reading about flooding ;)
[02:13] <Azelphur> lol
[03:33] <uhohuhoh> Hello, anyone around?
[03:33] <ball> Hello, I like pie.
[03:36] <ball> Anyone here familiar with grub rescue mode?
[03:37] <ball> s/familiar/awake and familiar/
[03:44] <uhohuhoh> haha
[03:44] <uhohuhoh> I guess no one is awake...
[03:44] <daftykins> eyes... closing :(
[03:44]  * ball pokes daftykins with a slightly sharpened stick
[03:48] <daftykins> crikey it's ball! how goes old chap?
[03:49] <ball> daftykins: Not too bad thanks.  I'm tired and a bit "antsy" as they say over here.
[03:49] <ball> ...trying to find out more about whether anything Linux benefits from OpenCL
[03:49] <ball> ...not getting many clear-cut answers.
[03:50] <ball> ...though someone told me Firefox didn't benefit.
[03:50] <daftykins> hrmm
[03:50] <daftykins> Firefox seems to be somewhat subpar on Linux in general i detect :D
[03:50] <daftykins> i'm afraid that one's beyond me though
[03:51] <daftykins> the most i do is the odd bit of GPU folding @ home
[03:51] <ball> daftykins: Does the software you use work through a library like OpenCL, or does it hit the GPU directly?
[03:53] <daftykins> mmm, only ever run on Windows and hits nvidia's CUDA drivers
[03:53] <daftykins> so that's close to direct i expect
[03:55] <ball> I believe I read that there were CUDA drivers for Linux.
[03:56] <ball> ...but yes, that would bypass OpenCL.
[03:58] <daftykins> yeah, though folding@home won't make a Linux native client it seems
[03:58] <daftykins> at least last i checked
[04:00] <ball> daftykins: Ah okay.  I don't follow that so I wasn't aware.  I'm trying to remember what Seti@home moved to... boinc?
[04:02] <daftykins> oh it carries on? i read it just died
[04:05] <ball> daftykins: I don't know, I just know they moved to boinc at some point in the past.
[04:05] <daftykins> i always felt that a completely unjustified use of resources personally
[04:05] <daftykins> oh that's right
[04:06] <daftykins> i think it's Paul Allen the co-MS founder that was funding that radio antenna array wherever
[04:06] <daftykins> and they have no more funding anymore so that closed down
[04:06] <ball> daftykins: SETI != Seti@home
[04:07] <daftykins> doesn't the distributed computing project use data from said array though?
[04:11] <ball> I think so, but they are logically, structurally and financially separate animals.
[05:48] <pwb> #opensuse
[07:28] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:36] <ball> Mornin'
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings.
[07:40] <ball> I think a cunning plan just came to mind.
[07:43] <ball> I've been searching for parts to build my sister-in-law a computer but someone just *gave* me a Core 2 Duo board!
[07:43] <ball> ...so I just need to stick that in a box for her, install Xubuntu (at least, possibly dual-boot with Windows 7) and she's good to go.
[08:55] <tugrik> morning - any Acer Aspire Revo users here?  Or have you all moved on? ;)
[08:57] <gord> i still have two
[08:58] <tugrik> are they running?  My hddtemp seems rather high at 51 degrees....
[09:00] <gord> they are all fine
[09:00] <gord> i don't monitor the temps but they are tiny boxes with powerful gpus, they are gonna get a bit warm
[09:01] <tugrik> yeah, I think 51 degrees isn't that bad, iirc hdds are expected to run 25-55, but still a little high as everything else I have is between 30 and 40
[09:02] <tugrik> plus from memory, and due to the lack of anything in /proc/acpi/fan I'm presuming they don't have any fans....
[09:03] <hoover> mornin all
[09:06] <gord> they do have fans
[09:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Are you MOTUvated? - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/05/are-you-motuvated/
[09:16] <diplo> Morning all
[09:17] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[09:17] <tugrik> ah, cheers gord, nothing detected by pwmconfig... that might be the problem....
[09:18] <hoover> mornin diplo, BigRedS
[09:21] <Ng> popey: Y U NO TU?
[09:32] <gord> the co-op bank's bank robots keep changing the voice mid way through a line, its like talking to someone with multiple personalities
[09:32] <gord> also, steam is not a video game arcade in ireland.
[10:48] <danfish> morning - a tad quiet here today
[10:52] <kirrus> aye. Everyone working?
[10:53] <hoover> yep
[10:53] <hoover> more or less
[10:54] <hoover> also, checking minecraft 1.7 ;-)
[10:54] <BigRedS> I'm trying to not
[10:54] <BigRedS> but people keep giving me things to do :(
[10:54] <hoover> shame BigRedS
[10:54] <BigRedS> yeah, though they are quite entitled to do that
[10:55] <hoover> damn addiction to food and drink...
[10:55] <kirrus> Muhahahaha.... ;)
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all everyone had a good week?
[11:02]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 7 times to make up for the lack of prodding
[11:05] <JGJones> There's probably a mini panic in USA at the moment as it seems that Fox News's twitter was hacked and is reporting on Obama's death(!)
[11:11] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:13] <dwatkins> oh my
[11:37] <oimon> anyone in here looking to get their break into IT? i may have a job for you
[11:41] <BigRedS> what sort of job, and where? I know a couple of people
[11:43] <oimon> BigRedS: http://webapps.qmul.ac.uk/hr/vacancies/jobs.php?id=2470 << seems very well paid considering the list of essentials is very small. but a decent IT dude should climb the ladder is he/she is good
[11:44] <oimon> i would like decent people to get this job, rather than the bare minimum requirements
[11:46] <BigRedS> ooh, that's where I went!
[11:48] <oimon> BigRedS: which dept?
[11:50] <BigRedS> Eng
[11:50] <BigRedS> I dropped out of Aero Eng when I realised I preferred computers to aeroplanes
[11:50] <oimon> lol
[11:53] <BigRedS> Actually, the realisation was more that I wasn't anywhere near good enough at maths for an eng degree
[11:53] <BigRedS> do you work there?
[11:54] <directhex> grade 3?
[12:15] <oimon> BigRedS: yes
[12:49] <oimon> firefox5 is a bag of fail for me so far
[12:50]  * BigRedS is still on FF3.x
[12:50] <BigRedS> I'll upgrade when they give me my status bar back
[12:50] <oimon> look for the status4evar extension
[12:50] <BigRedS> yeah, I put that in 4
[12:50] <BigRedS> but it still makes no sense whatsoever to have removed it
[12:51] <BigRedS> it was already optional, why not just change teh default
[12:51] <oimon> however i'm on chrome and i don't like it, but FF is unresponsive and memhog
[12:51] <BigRedS> hah, actually, this PC's got ff4 on it, thinking about it
[12:51] <BigRedS> with a status bar extension thing
[12:56] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to install 'dot' the charting lib thing
[12:57] <dogmatic69> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_language
[12:58] <dogmatic69> graphviz was the one
[13:25] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone,
[13:41] <dwatkins> Haha, they did a mashup of Zelda and Minecraft.
[13:50] <hoover> hey brobostigon
[13:51] <brobostigon> hey hoover
[14:19] <popey> Afternoon all
[14:19] <wintellect> hello popey
[14:19] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey and wintellect
[14:20] <wintellect> hi brobostigon
[14:22] <oimon> anyone played the game braid?
[14:23] <popey> YES
[14:23] <popey> -caps
[14:23] <oimon> popey: what am i missing? i didn't get on with it but people rave about it
[14:24] <popey> are you missing the 'rewind time' button? :D
[14:24] <oimon> is it that early puzzles are not solvable till later in the game?
[14:24] <popey> dunno, i haven't played it that much
[14:25] <oimon> it didn't give me much satisfaction and i put the game down after an hour or less
[14:28] <JGJones> I started playing it...I liked the idea of it.
[14:29] <JGJones> That was...um...probably over a month ago and that was the last time I played it and I only completed the first few levels.
[14:29] <JGJones> Haven't really gone back to it....there's nothing to make me WANT to play it.
[14:29] <oimon> yeah
[14:29] <oimon> same thing
[14:29] <JGJones> it's not rubbish though.
[14:30] <oimon> no
[14:30] <oimon> but not "unputdownable"
[14:30] <oimon> i often see others rave about it
[14:31] <Laney> I thought it was pretty fun (and difficult later on)
[14:46] <gord> don't worry oimon, i'v never liked it either
[14:46] <gord> just one of those things
[14:46] <gord> we can start a club if you'd like?
[14:46] <oimon> maybe it's about getting old
[14:47] <oimon> reminds me of games i used to play when i was young e.g. terramex on the archimedes
[14:50] <hoover> cheers all
[14:53] <directhex> oimon, i think braid is overhyped. it's way too self-aware of its "arthouse" status, based on pretentious bollocks
[14:53] <directhex> oimon, it's okay, as an entry in the time-bending puzzle platformer genre. but it's not anything so incredible, imho
[14:53] <popey> sounds about right
[14:54] <popey> are there many time-bending puzzle platformers ?
[14:54] <oimon> directhex: how about portal? did that leave you a bit ...meh too?
[14:54] <popey> enough for there to be a genre
[14:54] <directhex> oimon, no, portal was brilliant
[14:54] <directhex> popey, oh, sure! the misadventures of pb winterbottom, ratchet & clank a crack in time, etc etc etc
[14:54] <oimon> not sure i ever made it past training
[14:54] <directhex> oimon, the whole game is training. okay, 50%
[14:55] <oimon> oh. i got bored and never came back
[14:55] <directhex> oimon, do you not enjoy puzzle games?
[14:55] <gord> there are a few, few years back time manipulation was the gimmick of the day
[14:55] <popey> I loved portal and portal 2
[14:55] <oimon> hmm. good question. i used to
[14:56] <gord> the way braid handled it i found frustrating though - but thats just me, mainly the bits where going right made time go forward and going left made time go backwards
[14:56] <gord> made me think about *two* things at once, the cheek of it
[14:56] <directhex> there are two major puzzle grnes, really - the "realtime score attack" style ones, like tetris or most of bejeweled, or the "take your time, there's a right answer" ones like portal or a crossword
[14:57] <directhex> i don't much like the former. but the latter i like, as there's a real sense of accomplishment when you work out a difficult brain teaser
[14:57] <directhex> it's based on puzzle solving, not luck of the draw & reaction to it
[14:58] <oimon> a lot of 8bit home computer games were like that
[14:58] <oimon> because the graphics were lacking, they relied on gameplay
[14:58] <oimon> fond memories of citadel on the electron
[14:58] <oimon> and repton :)
[14:59] <directhex> i recently found spacechem. that game is *hard* as a puzzle title
[14:59] <Darael> Interesting, really, that now that super-shiny graphics are available they become one of the biggest things people judge a game on.  It wasn't always like that.  Then again, that could be the classic illusion that the past was better than the present speaking.
[14:59] <Darael> directhex: Spacechem is /good/.  Have you tried the other Zachtronics games?
[15:00] <oimon> i enjoyed machinarium recently
[15:00] <directhex> Darael, that's not true. graphics have ALWAYS been used to sell games. i remember the headlines along the lines of "unreal: is this the best looking game ever?" "quake 2: graphics don't get better than this" etc
[15:00] <directhex> oimon, that was nice. amanita design do a good job builting an atmosphere
[15:00] <Darael> directhex: Then it /is/ the classic illusion that the past was better than the present speaking.
[15:01] <directhex> Darael, infiniminer? no. i haven't played it
[15:01] <oimon> the graphics of old games are far better in my mind ..when i go to youtube to check them, they suck
[15:01] <directhex> oimon, true. heh
[15:02] <Darael> directhex: zachtronics did a few good games in Flash, too.  Notably KOHCTPYTOP.  Also the Codex of Alchemical Engineering, with a similar premise to Spacechem.
[15:02] <directhex> i'm not a big fan of games that try to look realistic, because they fail at it. i much prefer stylized visuals, something with art direction beyond "make this realistic"
[15:02] <Darael> Downside, of course is that they're in Flash.
[15:02] <directhex> Darael, mention that spacechem is mono, and watch people freak out
[15:02] <oimon> zarch is still as i remember it though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfnZjCiuUQ
[15:02] <Darael> directhex: True enough.
[16:03] <oimon> i was on the cusp of converting my brother in law to ubuntu whilst on holiday, however i only had 11.04 on my pocket usb stick, rather than 10.04 :(
[16:05] <BigRedS> what's wrong with 11.04?
[16:06] <oimon> changed his mind after a few apps crashed
[16:06] <oimon> and he didn't like global menu
[16:06] <BigRedS> so log him into gnome 2
[16:06] <brobostigon> or show him gnome3 ?
[16:06] <oimon> he was trying the livecd
[16:07] <oimon> better just to give LTS really
[16:07] <popey> what crashed?
[16:07] <ali1234> 11.04 is the most buggy release since the botched pulseaudio integration... so yeah
[16:07] <BigRedS> you let people try these things *before* wiping their boot sector? Madness
[16:07] <oimon> shotwell and banshee
[16:07] <BigRedS> the only real bugs I've hit in 11.04 is this thing where empathy disappears every so often. I'm really quite pleased that all the bugs I'm finding are pretty trivial
[16:08] <oimon> also i seem to have discovered on my own laptop that f-spot doesn't import photos while banshee is running - need to try replicate it on another pc
[16:08] <ali1234> there's also a lot of bugs where it looks like programs have crashed, but really they haven't, due to incredibly poor design decisions
[16:08] <ali1234> for example, firefox and synaptic
[16:09] <oimon> it would be poor form to recommend 11.04 when i don't use it myself
[16:09] <ali1234> it would be incredibly poor form to recommend 11.04 whether you use it or not
[16:09] <ali1234> unless you really hate the person you are recommending it to
[16:10] <BigRedS> A few of the people I 'support' are on 11.04 now
[16:10] <oimon> he is a win7 user usually but it is having issues on his laptop. KDE 11.04 could be good choice though
[16:10] <BigRedS> KDE's never a good choice
[16:11] <oimon> while on holiday he plugged his HD video camera into his win7 laptop and realised he couldn't import the movies becaause he hadn't installed the exact zoombrowser software that came with the videocam. plugged into my lucid laptop and he was able to browse and retrieve the files :)
[16:11] <oimon> then he discovered that he could browse his iphone.
[16:11] <brobostigon> oimon: cool,:)
[16:12] <oimon> so we almost sealed the deal :)
[16:12] <oimon> except i brought the wrong version with me and we had only slow net access
[16:12] <oimon> wubi also failed from the usb stick
[16:12] <oimon> when i have time i have a good few bugs to report
[16:13] <oimon> i think the wubi fail was the main reason he didn't at least dual boot
[18:18] <kailan> hi, my sound button has gone in ubuntu 11.04, how do i get it back
[18:27] <AlanBell> evening all
[18:27]  * AlanBell has a new keyboard
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: does it work? :)
[18:29] <AlanBell> http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=646
[18:29] <AlanBell> oh yes :)
[18:35] <popey> "brown switch"
[18:36] <popey> holy hell, 95 quid ex vat!
[18:36] <AlanBell> yup
[18:36] <AlanBell> it is a good one
[18:36]  * popey closes the tab
[18:36] <AlanBell> but this one doesn't have a windows key \o/
[18:37] <popey> Not sure that's worth 95 quid
[18:40] <AlanBell> you pay for quality
[18:40] <AlanBell> it is kind of nice
[18:46] <AlanBell> well when I say "pay" what I mean is other people might pay for quality
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> oh taxpayers paid for it? :P
[18:48] <AlanBell> funnily enough they have a lot of public sector customers
[18:48] <AlanBell> I think the treasury and HMRC is full of these keyboards
[18:59] <popey> i want to get my IBM Model M back out and use it, but sadly it has no Windows key ☹
[19:00] <popey> it pre-dates windows keys by some margin
[19:00] <AlanBell> yay
[19:00] <popey> which makes using unity annoying
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: I still have a serial three-button (no wheel) mouse here somewhere
[19:00] <AlanBell> that was an outstandingly bold marketing move at the time
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: that's also an interesting experience ;)
[19:01] <popey> MartijnVdS: so do I ☺
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> and a PS/2 keypad
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> number pad*
[19:09] <Azelphur> I just bought a USB numpad for £2.95 from a shop
[19:09] <Azelphur> when gnome15 updates to have multiple driver backend support, which will be soon, I'mma hack it up so I can use it like this thing http://www.piengineering.com/xkeys/xk24.php
[19:10] <Azelphur> and then troll all the people who paid $130 for it with "Lol I did that with a $4 numpad in Linux, /point /laugh"
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: T9?
[19:13] <Azelphur> what's T9?
[19:14] <Azelphur> predictive text? what does that have to do with it o.O
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> you could write a "predictive text" keyboard driver
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> so you can use the numpad to enter text
[19:15] <Azelphur> oh
[19:15] <Azelphur> that sounds a bit pointless unless your very constrained for space
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: sounds like a wonderful adaptation if you only have one hand
[19:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: most people who buy those xkeys are gamers that play games where you benefit from having loooooads of keybinds
[19:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: there are one handed keyboard layouts for that
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that would work as well
[19:16] <Azelphur> yea, for people with one hand you have single handed keyboard layouts, you got single handed dvorak and stuff
[19:16] <Azelphur> I was planning on making it so you could abuse a numpad as a macro pad, like the x-keys
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> a hardware unity bar :)
[19:17] <Azelphur> then it's as good as an xkeys, but for £3 :D
[19:39] <jacobw> o/ hamitron
[19:40] <hamitron> hi jacobw
[19:40] <hamitron> :)
[19:43] <popey> AlanBell: have you tried hangouts in plus?
[19:43] <jacobw> hows the slackware going?
[19:46] <AlanBell> popey: not yet
[19:47] <AlanBell> popey: I was thinking about it yesterday but I hadn't shaved for a few days and was looking scruffy ;)
[19:47] <popey> i just switched it on
[19:47] <popey> join me?
[19:47] <popey> for testing
[19:52] <hamitron> jacobw: on windows 7 atm
[19:52] <jacobw> :o
[19:52] <hamitron> I've setup a seperate comp for testing
[19:52] <jacobw> :)
[19:52] <hamitron> and linux just doesn't do what I want now, so will have to spend some time on that
[19:53] <hamitron> s/linux/linux distros
[19:54] <hamitron> not giving up, just sat back sulking
[19:54] <hamitron> will make some progress later
[19:54] <hamitron> :)
[19:56] <jacobw> sulking is fun
[19:56] <dogmatic69_> bah, git is being a pos
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> use bzr ;)
[19:57] <hamitron> jacobw: not got the motination to work on it yet
[19:57] <hamitron> motivation*
[19:57] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: you will never guess the size of my repo vs actual size of files
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: 1kb
[19:59] <dogmatic69_> he
[19:59] <dogmatic69_> try 250mb / 4.5mb
[19:59] <dogmatic69_> Receiving objects: 100% (59919/59919), 213.21 MiB | 916 KiB/s, done.
[20:01] <dogmatic69_> nautilus says '233 items, totalling 5.2 MB'
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: have you tried "git gc"?
[20:04] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: ye, its a new repo... +- 30 commits
[20:05] <dogmatic69_> 2 branches, 1st one has one commit
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: did you check in a large file, then delete it again?
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> git count-objects -v
[20:05] <dogmatic69_> count: 29
[20:06] <dogmatic69_> in-pack: 27752
[20:06] <dogmatic69_> prune-packable: 0
[20:06] <dogmatic69_> garbage: 0
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: git gc --aggressive?
[20:07] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: how do i push that to remote?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: you don't.. you do it on remote as well
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> I think
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> ask #git
[20:08] <dogmatic69_> bah
[20:08] <dogmatic69_> just done it on the wrong repo :D
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> gc is just garbage-collect
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> wont damage the repo
[20:13] <ali1234> it does have one nasty side effect
[20:13] <ali1234> it repacks all the objects
[20:13] <ali1234> so if you export the repo over http
[20:13] <ali1234> next time someone pulls they have to download the whole thing all over again
[20:34]  * penguin42 notes you can buy a 6 pack of cornettos from Iceland for £2 - the challenge when you're out in a strange town is how to give away the ones you can't eat; it's cheaper than buying one large ice cream from somewhere
[20:36] <popey> haha
[20:42] <Azelphur> penguin42: you can buy an entire tub from tescos for like 40p
[20:43] <Azelphur> I used to do that, people grumbled at me :(
[20:43] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yeh but eating tubs on the go is hard (unless you take a spoon)
[20:43] <Azelphur> plastic spoons from tesco are like 10p
[20:43] <Azelphur> heck you could probably buy a bowl and everything and still be cheaper XD
[20:44]  * penguin42 has bought the 3 pack of Magnums from Tesco before today - they're about the same every where else sells one - and I can definitely do 2 and can manage 3 :-)
[20:48]  * jacobw can't imagine not being able to eat ice cream
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: eat some more :)
[20:49] <jacobw> but.. but.. i'll get fat :p
[20:50] <penguin42> jacobw: Icecream as far as I can tell has less calories than bars of chocolate (at the rate I can eat the two for comparison)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Running compensates for my chocolate & ice cream add^H^H^Hhabits
[20:51] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Oh I don't do anything vaguely that energetic
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://t.co/fMcgEEs
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: just got back :)
[20:51] <jacobw> i can't be bothered to exercise in this hot weather
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Average Moving Speed: 11.25 km/h (7.0 mi/h)
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Total Distance: 4.39 km (2.7 mi)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> I usually run 3 times that distance, but I have an excuse (sore foot)
[20:52] <jacobw> you haven't broken your right toe have you?
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Not unless my right toe is near my heel, no
[20:52] <jacobw> that was david haye's excuse this weekend
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> David Who?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> a boxer?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> well he IS only 5 days older than I am
[20:53] <jacobw> yeah.
[20:53] <jacobw> ha.
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: unless he's a kick-boxer, he shouldn't whine about his toe :P
[20:54] <jacobw> haha, good logic.
[20:56] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well according to google earth I've walked about 2.8Miles today
[20:56] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Mostly in a very relaxed way in the sun
[20:56] <Gizmo_the_Great> hey...anyone here work for Canonical? I just intrigued to know about the recruitment procedure
[20:57] <AlanBell> Gizmo_the_Great: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I need to run, or I'll gain as much weight as I lost in the past year
[20:57] <Gizmo_the_Great> AlanBell: yeah, I been there already
[20:57] <jacobw> ++exercise;
[20:57] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I can sympathise with that - I can easily gain lotsof weight
[20:58]  * MartijnVdS lookes at the list for http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/
[20:59] <Gizmo_the_Great> AlanBell: I applied about 5 weeks for a role and was told about 10 days ago that they were sifting the applications, but I not heard anything back as yet. Odly, the position I applied for went from 'Closed' (after 4 weeks of being advertised) back to open, and it is still open now, 5 weeks after I first applied. I trying to establish if that is normal for them, or not
[20:59] <AlanBell> Gizmo_the_Great: sounds normal to me
[20:59] <Gizmo_the_Great> AlanBell: you think so?
[21:00] <Gizmo_the_Great> AlanBell: i have worked for government most of my life so not sure what 'normal' recruitment practises are like
[21:00] <Gizmo_the_Great> seems odd to have gone from open to closed to open I thought
[21:01] <penguin42> Gizmo_the_Great: It's possible that a candidate was offered a place but went elsewhere
[21:01] <penguin42> (says he not knowing)
[21:02] <Gizmo_the_Great> penguin42: i wondered that, but it happened very quickly, and the e-mail I got was (I think, from memory) the same day it was reverted back to open. I didn't want to keep pestering them and sound like an over enthusisastic idiot but I am desperate to know one way or the other
[21:02] <Gizmo_the_Great> if I even got through to interview
[21:02] <Gizmo_the_Great> if I even get through to interview, rather
[21:03]  * StevenR wonders how to redirect the sound output from a kvm vm to a file
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: same way you would any ALSA app?
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: get a "write to file" ALSA (or pulse?) driver and have the kvm process it use that
[21:08] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: yeah, it's the "making kvm push it's output somewhere" bit
[21:08] <StevenR> ahh. I know where to look next
[21:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] A Super key you will want to press - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/07/04/a-super-key-you-will-want-to-press/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-super-key-you-will-want-to-press
[21:11] <Laney> that's so almost a nice url
[21:11] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I did that on the cheap http://azelphur.com/system/files/images/2010-08-18%2019.21.54.jpg :P
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Blurry picture is blurry :)
[21:11] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:13] <Laney> this http://www.famouslogos.org/logos/superman-logo.jpg is more appropriate for the super key imho
[21:17] <Azelphur> lol
[21:18] <jacobw> haha
[21:31] <jacobw> Azelphur: that eeePC is exactly like mine .. :P
[21:31] <Azelphur> funny coincidence that isn't it :P
[21:44] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: ok..so it records. All I need now is something to buffer the output :)
[21:44] <StevenR> (it's a little choppy)
[21:53] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: actually, it turns out that this file is all choppy, when I play another, it's lovely.
[21:58] <Azelphur> hmm, I'm following the instructions here, specifically Step 2, configure passwordless login
[21:58] <Azelphur> I did that, but it still asks me for a password. :(
[21:59] <Azelphur> by here I mean here http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-rsnapshot-backup-howto/
[22:00] <Azelphur> dunno quite why I didn't paste the URL >.<
[23:47] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.


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