[12:03] <fberetta> brodel, I insert CD or DVD. I boot and it fails.. it says there is an error on the CD..
[12:03] <brodel> oh
[12:03] <brodel> I was thinking it was the same thing I had then. nm then
[12:04] <fberetta> brodel, If I try the same CD or DVD on my work laptop it runs perfectly!!
[12:05] <kkathman> hmm sounds like you have a bad cd on the desk I guess
[12:05] <kakalto> is there a guide to getting kubuntu to work as a router?
[12:05] <fberetta> brodel, infact I hit enter at lilo boot and after trying to, load the kernel image it hangs
[12:06] <fberetta> kkathman, I was thinking to a bad CD but I have checked MD5 sum... it's ok... then it runs on another PC...
[12:07] <fberetta> it drives me crazy... I want to use kubuntu!!!! I am fed up with Fedora!
[12:09] <jobezone> fberetta, perhaps it's a problem with the cdrom on that computer?
[12:10] <jobezone> cdrom drive
[12:11] <fberetta> may be is the cdrom!!
[12:12] <JohnFlux> !java
[12:12] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:18] <thegladiator> hi
[12:19] <Riddell> hello thegladiator
[12:19] <thegladiator> when I right click on a tar ball or something shudnt I get "extract here "option ?
[12:20] <thegladiator> someone please
[12:21] <JohnFlux> thegladiator: maybe check what kde packages you have install
[12:21] <thegladiator> latest it is
[12:21] <thegladiator> lde 3.5
[12:21] <JohnFlux> thegladiator: but maybe you are missing some packages
[12:21] <thegladiator> kde 3.5
[12:21] <JohnFlux> thegladiator: run the package manager thing, and install kdeutils etc
[12:21] <thegladiator> k
[12:22] <JohnFlux> thegladiator: make sure the important kde*  packages are installed
[12:22] <thegladiator> any good seacrh filters to ensure the neede things ?
[12:23] <damnhil> where can I find the log of apt-get to search the packages I installed?
[12:23] <JohnFlux> thegladiator: install ark maybe
[12:23] <thegladiator> yep
[12:24] <thegladiator> ark is there
[12:24] <JohnFlux> thegladiator: is the package ark currently installed?
[12:24] <thegladiator> but exract here is not there
[12:24] <thegladiator> yes
[12:24] <thegladiator> ark is installed
[12:24] <JohnFlux> ask in kde-devel maybe
[12:24] <JohnFlux> sorry
[12:24] <thegladiator> yeo
[12:24] <thegladiator> np
[12:26] <McJerry> i am using ubuntu, how would i tell someone to enable remote desktop to allow others to view and connect on kubuntu?
[12:30] <JohnFlux> McJerry: do you have 'krfb' installed?
[12:30] <JohnFlux> McJerry: you should have under K->internet->desktop sharing
[12:31] <McJerry> is not my machine, but will ask, thanks, i use gnome, he is using kde,,,,,,thanks, lemme ask
[12:37] <McJerry> he has k > internet > remote Desktop Connection
[12:40] <McJerry> if i were to shell into his bx, what config file would i need to edit to enable remote connection options
[12:42] <JohnFlux> McJerry: he should be able to run remote desktop connection and see what that tells him
[12:42] <m_tadeu> hi...can anyone help on synce?
[12:42] <JohnFlux> McJerry: uh I mean remote desktop _sharing_
[12:43] <JohnFlux> "desktop sharing"
[12:43] <McJerry> yea, he says he didn't see that, but saw remote Desktop Connecton  so i don't know
[12:44] <McJerry> i've always used gnome mainly
[12:44] <McJerry> so a bit lost with what to tell him
[12:45] <kkathman> McJerry are you attempting to establish the capability to do remote activity on his box, as if you were just a user?
[12:45] <McJerry> right
[12:46] <slow-motion> n8
[12:46] <kkathman> now will you be on a winbox or another linbox?
[12:46] <McJerry> i'm competent with remote desktop setup on ubuntu and gnome
[12:46] <kkathman> McJerry: have you looked at freenx
[12:47] <McJerry> i use RealVNC on xp to remote to ubuntu mainly.......all i need to know is what config file to edit on his kubuntu install to enable and change options
[12:47] <kkathman> that works well for me personally
[12:47] <kkathman> ahh I see ok
[12:47] <kkathman> nm then
[12:47] <McJerry> kkathman, yes i have freenx but i need to see his session, not my own
[12:48] <kkathman> I see ok
[12:48] <McJerry> freenx, great for diff sessions, vnc great to remote troubleshoot show and tell
[01:22] <brodel> how can I restart samba without restarting the whole goramn PC?
[01:22] <feistel> hi
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hi feistel
[01:23] <feistel> I need transform the text-based installation program of Ubuntu/Kubuntu in a VGA-based installation program
[01:23] <feistel> any suggest?
[01:24] <merkul> Just installed kubuntu today ;x
[01:24] <Hobbsee> feistel: i think there's going to be a graphical installer in the next release.  why do you have a problem with the text based installre?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> merkul: yay!
[01:24] <merkul> first time i've ever used linux
[01:25] <feistel> Hobbsee, I need make a new kubuntu-based distribution, and I need a graphic installer
[01:25] <merkul> most everything is pretty straight forward, except I was wondering if somone could help me with a basic question
[01:25] <merkul> i untar'd the firefox tar.gz
[01:25] <merkul> like mozilla help suggested, but how do i run the flippin application?
[01:25] <merkul> haha
[01:25] <Hobbsee> !+firefox1.5
[01:25] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:25] <damnhil> What package has xmllint? Does anyone know?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> merkul: ^
[01:26] <damnhil> !xmllint
[01:26] <ubotu> damnhil: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:26] <merkul> thanks Hobbsee
[01:26] <Hobbsee> damnhil: i'd try libxml2-utils
[01:27] <Hobbsee> damnhil: to find out, use apt-cache search, and apt-cache show, that usually works
[01:28] <feistel> Hobbsee, thanks
[01:30] <damnhil> Hobbsee, do you know what package has yelp?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> !info yelp
[01:30] <Hobbsee> !info yelp dapper
[01:30] <ubotu> yelp: (Help browser for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.13.2-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 2308 kB
[01:30] <Hobbsee> that one?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> damnhil: doesnt seem to be in breezy at all
[01:31] <damnhil> Hobbsee: just found it in apt-get
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ah ok - i'm running dapper here, so i dont see the breezy repos
[01:32] <bimberi> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <bimberi> hm - "does not exist" :|
[01:33] <jessica_> can somebody please tell me how i can upgrade my kubuntu to kde 3.5?
[01:33] <bimberi> !kde3.5
[01:33] <ubotu> methinks kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[01:35] <globe> Is it possible to be able to switch between KDE and gnome easily (restarting X is okay, but I would like to stay away from reconfiguring everything)
[01:35] <hawking> jessica_ : just keep in mind it still has some bugs
[01:35] <sorush20> I'm trying to mount a floppy but all I keep getting is that the files system could not be determined.. this is a floppy that is formated on a windows OS
[01:35] <hawking> I have regrets that I've upgraded
[01:35] <merkul> Got firefox working
[01:35] <merkul> :D
[01:36] <brodel> Why would you update?
[01:36] <brodel> I mean what features does 3.5 have
[01:36] <brodel> I looked.. didn't see a big reason to update myself.
[01:37] <sorush20> jessica_: go the the kde website download the source and compile and install that is it really
[01:38] <sorush20> KMplayer is great in Konqueror
[01:38] <jessica_> wow sounds like alot but ill take a stab at it-i need to read up on how to comp[ile from source
[01:38] <merkul> Hmm
[01:38] <sorush20> jessica_: any source has a config...
[01:38] <merkul> anyone familiar with using VMPlayer and K/Ubuntu?
[01:39] <merkul> I want the "Virtual" OS to be able to take up the entire screen
[01:39] <sorush20> you extract the source packge then cd /kde3.5source
[01:39] <Hobbsee> globe: yes, just pick your session at the login screen
[01:39] <Hobbsee> sorush20: why compile it at all?  there are binaries
[01:39] <jessica_> i thought the process will be doing a sudo-apt......
[01:39] <merkul> And if I right click on the desktop and find the resolution, the highest available is already chosen
[01:40] <sorush20> jessica_: there you go just download the bineries then use the dpkg -i kde3.5.deb
[01:40] <bimberi> jessica_ (& sorush20): http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[01:40] <globe> Hobbsee: thanks. is it going to be that obvious? I am dl KDE through apt-get now....
[01:40] <Hobbsee> jessica_: i'm not sure why sorush20 is recommending compiling.  just add the correct line to the sources list, then update
[01:40] <Hobbsee> globe: in gdm, there's a session manager - there are only a few buttons on it, so it should be fairly easy to find
[01:41] <globe> Hobbsee: okay. thanks
[01:41] <brodel> anyone help me figure out why my USB thumb drive doesn't come up in kubuntu when I plug it in?
[01:41] <brodel> +can
[01:41] <Hobbsee> brodel: have a look in /media/ in konq
[01:41] <Hobbsee> for it
[01:41] <jessica_> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg..is this what i type in terminal to update?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> no, that's what you use to get the key
[01:42] <Hobbsee> type it in, it wont kill your system :)
[01:42] <brodel> nothing in media
[01:42] <Hobbsee> brodel: you checked media:/ and /media/ ?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> and it wasnt in either?  weird
[01:42] <jessica_> ohh my god im so lost let me focus...
[01:43] <jessica_> i download the kde 3.5 to my desktop and then do a terminal command to intiate the installation process??
[01:43] <Hobbsee> jessica_: go to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php and follow all the steps on that page, in order
[01:43] <Hobbsee> no, you dont have to compile it
[01:44] <Hobbsee> hi bimberi :) - you're not invisible
[01:44] <jessica_> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main-you see is typed this in and it says command not found
[01:44] <brodel> I just checked /media/ (wasn't checking that) still not there though. On my laptop it shows up on the desktop and everything when I plug it in.
[01:44] <bimberi> hi Hobbsee - thanks :)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> jessica_: ou can download the KDE packages from any of these sources (add to /etc/apt/sources.list):
[01:45] <sorush20> jessica_: you have to add that line to the end of this files /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <Riddell> jessica_: that's what you put in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:46] <mzelem> anyone know if you can get firefox running in 64bit kubuntu?
[01:46] <sorush20> jessica_: Open ut adept then use the manage repositories feature in the adept that is easy
[01:48] <sorush20> mzelem: what kernel are you running right now?
[01:48] <mzelem> um... lemme check
[01:50] <mzelem> er, I forget how to check...
[01:50] <Hobbsee> uname -a
[01:51] <mzelem> 2.6.12-10-amd64
[01:52] <sorush20> the kubuntu.org wiki is your friend.. nice and blue have a look http://wiki.kubuntu.org/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava?highlight=%28AMD%29
[01:52] <sorush20> :)
[01:52] <mzelem> thanks
[01:53] <sorush20> mzelem: np
[01:54] <sorush20> jessica_: you managed it yet
[01:54] <sorush20> ?
[01:55] <sorush20> how do I find out the file system of a floppy?
[01:56] <sorush20> what file system is a windows floppy?
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> anyone here?
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l>   kde: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> E: Broken packages
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> anybody knows bout this problem ?
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> how to solve ?
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> when i do "apt-get install kde" i get this error
[01:57] <RichardC> is there a way to make firefox look at little less.... ugly in kde?
[01:57] <merkul> Richard: lol
[01:58] <St0n3-C0l> firefox looks ugly in kde ? :P
[01:58] <bimberi> sorush20: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=631331&postcount=11
[01:59] <merkul> Silly question, but if i'm installing GAIM and it only offers me these builds: Fedora, Mandrake, and Redhat
[01:59] <merkul> which one do i use.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> sorush20: should be vfat
[02:00] <Hobbsee> St0n3-C0l: i think you want sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:00] <sorush20> merkul: what kind of package do you have?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> !info gaim
[02:01] <merkul> package?
[02:02] <bimberi> merkul: gaim (1.5.0) is available in the ubuntu repositories - sudo aptitude install gaim
[02:02] <St0n3-C0l> Hobbsee: No...only kde :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> !+kubuntu
[02:02] <ubotu> well, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[02:02] <sorush20> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:02] <St0n3-C0l> hey btw...adept do read proxy settings from Control Center ?
[02:03] <merkul> ah
[02:03] <merkul> And to stop asking questions, Is most of these general knowledge queries in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu documentation?
[02:03] <merkul> are most*
[02:03] <St0n3-C0l> me ??
[02:04] <St0n3-C0l> l0l
[02:04] <Hobbsee> merkul: usually in the wiki - wiki.ubuntu.com or in ubuntuforums.org
[02:04] <bimberi> St0n3-C0l: i think merkul meant merkul :)
[02:05] <merkul> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gaim"
[02:05] <merkul> ;/
[02:06] <Hobbsee> merkul: that's really weird!
[02:06] <crimsun> gaim is in main.
[02:07] <bimberi> merkul: ah, you might only have the repository on the kubuntu CD enabled
[02:07] <merkul> interesting, I don't have a CD though
[02:07] <merkul> Just an image (.iso) that I "mounted" with VMPlayer
[02:07] <merkul> to install
[02:08] <crimsun> just (re)add main to your sources.list
[02:10] <m_tadeu> hi...i'm unable to have write permissions in a partition, even with "rw" in fstab
[02:10] <merkul> Aight guys/ladies, thanks for all the help. I'm off to get some food and attend a birthday shindig
[02:13] <Hobbsee> m_tadeu: what type of partition?
[02:13] <m_tadeu> fat32...using vfat
[02:15] <Hobbsee> m_tadeu: paste the corresponding line of /etc/fstab?
[02:15] <m_tadeu> Hobbsee: /dev/hda2 /media/shared1 vfat uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser 0 0
[02:16] <crimsun> umask=022 should do it.
[02:16] <Hobbsee>  /dev/hda1       /media/windows  vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=000   0       0
[02:17] <Hobbsee> is the syntax, according to the old guide
[02:17] <Hobbsee> !help
[02:18] <m_tadeu> Hobbsee: I'll give it a try...that line was made by the new kde tool "disk & filesystems"...don't know the exact name
[02:19] <crimsun> according to mount(7), you should use utf8 instead of iocharset=utf8 for vfat
[02:19] <crimsun> mount(8), rather
[02:19] <crimsun> i.e., iocharset=utf8 only works due to backward compatibility, but it may go away.
[02:24] <m_tadeu> Hobbsee: nop...still unable to write
[02:35] <m_tadeu> what does this message means?
[02:35] <m_tadeu> sudo: unable to lookup casa via gethostbyname()
[02:35] <xClayG> I have an image file that is a .B5I , any ideas on what to use to burn it?
[02:40] <bimberi> m_tadeu: check that /etc/hosts has casa on the line beginning with <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:41] <m_tadeu> bimberi: its empty...what is the line format?
[02:42] <Gwynm> Hey guys. I've got a pcmcia SD card reader that works fine if I manually do 'mount /dev/hde1 /foo', but I'd like to get it going the Kubuntu way (with /media/hde1 in konqueror).
[02:42] <bimberi> empty! ok mine includes a like like this "<IP_ADDRESS>  localhost.localdomain  localhost  asi"
[02:42] <Gwynm> Do I need to adjust /etc/fstab myself, or should that be automatic?
[02:43] <bimberi> m_tadeu: (asi is my hostname btw)
[02:43] <m_tadeu> bimberi: thanx :)
[02:43] <dark_suic> Gwynm, you'll probably have to do it
[02:43] <Gwynm> dark_suic: /dev/hde1       /media/hde1     auto    user,umask=000  0       0 ?
[02:44] <Gwynm> (after sudo mkdir /media/hde1)
[02:44] <dark_suic> yeah, i think, don't have a sd reader but it should work that way
[02:44] <bimberi> m_tadeu: np :)
[02:45] <Gwynm> Hmm.. i insert it, konq appears showing 'media:/hde1' with the files in it.. and a second later the files disappear.
[02:45] <bimberi> s/like like/line like/
[02:45] <Gwynm> 'storage media' calls it an 'unmounted hard disk v olume', and it's not in /etc/mtab.
[02:45] <m_tadeu> bimberi: should i restart anything?
[02:45] <Gwynm> I think it's getting mounted, then immediately unmounted??
[02:45] <bimberi> m_tadeu: i'm not sure really - you might have to if the error persists
[02:47] <m_tadeu> bimberi: see...at the same time this message apeared, i lost connection to my webserver. i can't browse to http://localhost:10000 to go to webmin, etc
[02:48] <bimberi> m_tadeu: actually you should ensure that /etc/hostname has casa in it too (just the hostname btw)
[02:48] <m_tadeu> bimberi: just "<IP_ADDRESS> casa"?
[02:48] <bimberi> m_tadeu: no just "casa"
[02:49] <m_tadeu> bimberi: it is.
[02:50] <bimberi> m_tadeu: ok.  did you include localhost on the <IP_ADDRESS> line in /etc/hosts
[02:50] <bimberi> ?
[02:50] <m_tadeu> bimberi: yep...the error from sudo is gone
[02:51] <m_tadeu> bimberi: how about webserver access? i was hopping it was the same problem :)
[02:52] <bimberi> m_tadeu: "ping localhost" works?
[02:52] <dark_suic> sorry, Gwynm y was doing some class exercises, i just don't know what may happen, as i don't know too much about pcmcia, but if that line doesn't work, i don't know what may happen...
[02:52] <m_tadeu> bimberi: nops
[02:54] <bimberi> m_tadeu: hm, "sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart"
[02:54] <bimberi> then retry the ping localhost
[02:54] <m_tadeu> bimberi: mm...it failed
[02:57] <bimberi> hm
[02:58] <m_tadeu> bimberi: not good, heim?
[03:04] <brodel> hey.. I changed some stuff in xorg.conf to get my mouse working better with all the buttons and then I rebooted and it crashed (had to use terminal only) so I used pico and fixed what I did.
[03:04] <brodel> Now though I can't get any of my networking devices back up. I enable them and it says enabled and goes right to disabled and doesn't give me any errors..
[03:04] <p337> Hey everyone, How do i access another partition from kubuntu? (it is fat32)
[03:06] <p337> It does not show up in "storage media"
[03:08] <brodel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28windows%29%7C%28mount%29%7C%28partitions%29
[03:08] <brodel> Try that p337 ?
[03:08] <p337> ok, thanks
[03:08] <brodel> no prob
[03:09] <m_tadeu> bimberi: just restarted...if I browse to localhost i get a "Timeout on server"
[03:10] <p337> awesome
[03:10] <p337> thanks a lot
[03:10] <brodel> glad it helped :)
[03:10] <p337> ok... how bout this one:
[03:11] <bimberi> m_tadeu: what about browsing to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:11] <p337> i was installing kubuntu for the first time earlier today.... and it froze up while loading hotplug.... so i rebooted... and loaded it... it worked fine.. but now there are two choices in grub for linux
[03:12] <p337> 4 actually sonce there are two recovery ones
[03:12] <dark_suic> p337, this isn't strange, they're just different kernel versions...
[03:12] <m_tadeu> bimberi: same :(
[03:12] <brodel> over my head.. My system won't even enable a NIC right now. :(
[03:12] <dark_suic> the first ones are the latest, and probably the best in general...
[03:12] <p337> they say the same thing though
[03:13] <m_tadeu> bimberi: i'm unable to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:13] <bimberi> m_tadeu: does "ifconfig" output anything?
[03:13] <p337> it hadnt even loaded before it put another one
[03:13] <p337> but if it makes no diffeence i suppose ill be alright
[03:13] <m_tadeu> bimberi: yep...my ppp connection
[03:13] <pussfeller> kubuntu on compaq laptops?
[03:13] <p337> shows up as another partition though... not just a kernel
[03:14] <bimberi> m_tadeu: ok, try "sudo ifup lo"
[03:15] <m_tadeu> bimberi: i get an error...let me check
[03:15] <dark_suic> is there anything else strange around the system, p337 ?
[03:17] <p337> what do you mean by strange?
[03:18] <p337> it didnt load correctly on the first try
[03:18] <m_tadeu> bimberi: do you know what postconf is?
[03:18] <p337> so i picked "recovery console" or whatever... then exited that... and it loaded find
[03:18] <p337> fine*
[03:19] <bimberi> m_tadeu: no sorry
[03:19] <dark_suic> i mean things like strange partitions on media:/ or things like that...
[03:19] <brodel> bah. I guess I'll have to reinstall kubuntu to get my NICs back working :(
[03:19] <dark_suic> p337, you can always try to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the loader menu...
[03:19] <bimberi> m_tadeu: check that the file /etc/network/interfaces contains the lines "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo"
[03:20] <m_tadeu> bimberi: yep
[03:20] <p337> yeah it has 3 partitions instead of just 2
[03:20] <p337> what do i use to edit it? <first time ever using linux>
[03:23] <Hobbsee> p337: kwrite
[03:23] <callie> G'morning
[03:23] <p337> ok thanks
[03:24] <m_tadeu> bimberi: i don't know how, but its working :D
[03:25] <p337> I am just supposed to delete the entry?
[03:25] <p337> the partition would still be there though, taking up space, right?
[03:32] <p337> kubuntu does not come with gcc?
[03:33] <bimberi> m_tadeu: oh, ok, great! :)
[03:34] <bimberi> m_tadeu: i'd run out of things to try :P
[03:34] <dark_suic> p337, no it doesn't
[03:34] <dark_suic> you should do sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:34] <p337> co c compiler at all?
[03:34] <m_tadeu> bimberi: thanx a lot...i think it was after i ran the network config from kcontrol
[03:34] <dark_suic> p337, it doesn't come with it, but it's in the repos...
[03:34] <bimberi> m_tadeu: ah ok
[03:35] <p337> oh ok..... i think i know how to do that
[03:36] <p337> which ones do i need to install?
[03:36] <dark_suic> the package is called build-essential
[03:36] <p337> just the one that says gcc or like gcc 4.0
[03:36] <dark_suic> it should come with all the rest :)
[03:37] <dark_suic> build-essential comes with gcc, c libs and more
[03:37] <p337> oh cool.... thanks
[03:37] <crystufer> Hey, how do I mount a drive so that I can paste things to it with konquerer?
[03:38] <crystufer> I've got it mounted, but it says I can't put things there because I'm not root.
[03:38] <dark_suic> then you mounted it as root
[03:38] <dark_suic> you should mount it as "normal" user
[03:38] <crystufer> Okay, so how do I do that?
[03:39] <crystufer> mount: only root can mount /dev/hdc1 on /media/hdc
[03:39] <_thedude> Just installed flight-2, so far so good.  Only one problem:  The network will not startup on boot.  All my nic's are disabled in the systemsettings.
[03:39] <dark_suic> you should add a line to /etc/fstab
[03:39] <crystufer> I did. Did I do it wrong?
[03:40] <`Nomad> Are there huge updates in Dapper?  KDE 4 I guess?
[03:40] <`Nomad> !dapper
[03:40] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. It's going to be released on April 20, 2006. Not before. Use at your _own_ risk before the release date.
[03:40] <crystufer>  /dev/hdc1       /media/hdc      vfat    defaults        0       1
[03:40] <dark_suic> yep, you should...
[03:40] <dark_suic> crystufer, where defaults, it should be: defaults,user,umask=000
[03:40] <dark_suic> and then, you should be able to mount it as common user
[03:42] <p337> ok... so i am here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto trying to get some sound going... and it is not working
[03:42] <p337> will not compile all the way
[03:43] <p337> well... i dont think it actually gets to that stage yet...
[03:43] <crystufer> dark_suic: Thank You. Worked beautifully.
[03:43] <dark_suic> nevermind :)
[03:43] <crystufer> Okay. Now I'm gonna back some stuff up.
[03:43] <crystufer> Bye.
[03:44] <p337> anyone had to install this before?
[03:45] <Mace> i need to make a new mp3 partition, what type of file system could it be so that both windows and linux can write to it?
[03:45] <p337> fat32 is what i use
[03:45] <_kaeru> I'm having trouble gettong OpenGL working with my Radeon. It stopped working after I installed a new kernel
[03:46] <bhoman> hey does kdm doesnt start automatically so i have to login and then start it manually
[03:46] <Mace> p337: can u write in both
[03:47] <p337> umm let me make sure
[03:47] <dark_suic> Mace, yeah, fat32 is what you're looking for
[03:47] <Mace> ok thx
[03:47] <dark_suic> i do have a 120 gb partition fat32 so win and linux can read from it (just an external drive)
[03:47] <bhoman> does anyone know how to make kdm start automatically on boot
[03:48] <dark_suic> bhoman, u have kdm installed?
[03:48] <p337> seems to work fine
[03:48] <bhoman> yea
[03:48] <dark_suic> well, look into /etc/rc2.d
[03:48] <bhoman> ok
[03:48] <dark_suic> and look if there is a file called
[03:48] <dark_suic> S99kdm
[03:48] <bimberi> bhoman: sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults
[03:48] <dark_suic> if it's there, then i don't know what happens. If it isnt...
[03:49] <bimberi> (man update-rc.d for details)
[03:50] <bimberi> bhoman: better would be:   sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults 21 01
[03:51] <p00p> anyone feel like helping a total noob try to get sound to work?
[03:51] <bhoman> thanks
[03:51] <p337> i need help with sound too
[03:51] <p337> do you have a laptop?
[03:52] <bimberi> !sound
[03:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:52] <p00p> no, desktop
[03:52] <p337> ah.. ok...
[03:54] <dark_suic> p337, if you do have a laptop, visit www.linux-laptop.org
[03:54] <dark_suic> there may be the info you're looking for
[03:54] <p337> ok, ill try that out
[03:59] <p337> that isnt going to help, because i do not have a brand name laptop
[03:59] <p337> kind of custom built you see
[04:00] <p337> thanks though
[04:01] <dark_suic> well, then i guess you should go to the manufacturer (sound i mean)'s page and look for some kind of linux drivers there :P
[04:02] <p337> thats part of it... i cant really tell who makes it
[04:02] <dark_suic> lol
[04:02] <p337> the windows driver is some realtek brand thing
[04:02] <dark_suic> then i think you're in kind of a problem :P
[04:03] <dark_suic> you may do a lspci
[04:03] <p337> the user manaul says like intel high defintion
[04:03] <dark_suic> and it should detect what your computer has, more or less...
[04:03] <dark_suic> (plz, don't paste here, use pastebin :P)
[04:03] <dark_suic> but that may help...
[04:03] <p337> what is lspci?
[04:03] <dark_suic> command :P
[04:03] <p337> no parameters or anything?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> list pci
[04:04] <dark_suic> nope
[04:04] <p337> thats a first... usually the commands you guys give me have like twenty or so
[04:04] <Hobbsee> p337: you dont want to see how long something like the pbuilder command is...
[04:04] <p337> heh
[04:04] <bimberi> or mencoder ...
[04:05] <dark_suic> that's what i was going to say :P
[04:05] <dark_suic> i've seen about 3 lines of mencoder :P
[04:05] <p337> lol.... would it be the smbus controller?
[04:06] <dark_suic> don't know
[04:06] <p337> ah...
[04:06] <bimberi> but my favourite is "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark"
[04:06] <dark_suic> looool
[04:06] <dark_suic> it's quite weird too :P
[04:06] <dark_suic> i think...
[04:08] <p337> http://pastebin.com/497316
[04:08] <p337> never used that site before... pretty nifty
[04:08] <Hobbsee> bimberi: LOL!
[04:08] <p337> any idea of which one is the sound controller
[04:09] <bimberi> Hobbsee: try it with and without that switch - without won't show the FPS
[04:09] <Hobbsee> ahh....yes
[04:09] <Hobbsee> just tried it
[04:09] <bimberi> :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> 2577 frames in 5.0 seconds = 515.223 FPS
[04:09] <Hobbsee> 2649 frames in 5.0 seconds = 529.744 FPS
[04:10] <Hobbsee> that normal?
[04:11] <bimberi> Hobbsee: ok as far as i can tell ...
[04:11] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:11] <bimberi> 1680 frames in 5.0 seconds = 333.313 FPS
[04:11] <p337> oohhhh never mind i see which one it is
[04:11] <bimberi> darn, Hobbsee's got better video than me :P
[04:11] <Hobbsee> LOL
[04:12] <Hobbsee> what type of graphics card do you have?
[04:12] <dark_suic> 9028 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1805.467 FPS
[04:12] <dark_suic> this is quite more common these days
[04:12] <dark_suic> and i've seen 5k and even 10k fps...
[04:13] <bimberi> Hobbsee: oh some onboard nvidia thing - fast graphics not really important to me
[04:13] <bimberi> until now :P
[04:13] <Hobbsee> mine's an intel integrated card - i would have thought it'd be the lowest of the low :P
[04:13] <Hobbsee> seeing as i never have to mess with nvidia or ati drivers, or xorg config, or whatever
[04:14] <p337> 74937 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14987.383 FPS
[04:14] <p337> 80045 frames in 5.0 seconds = 16008.655 FPS
[04:15] <dark_suic> that's what i meant :P
[04:15] <bimberi> p337: oh go away :P
[04:15] <p337> haha
[04:15] <p337> yessss
[04:15] <dark_suic> don't mind, we have sound 8-)
[04:15] <p337> hahaha
[04:15] <dark_suic> just a joke :P
[04:15] <bimberi> lol
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:16] <p337> good point
[04:16] <dark_suic> i don't recognise the sound card on your lspci, i'm not an expert though
[04:17] <Hobbsee> p337: do you get sound by using aplay blah.wav?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> where blah is a sound file?
[04:17] <p337> i havent tried a wav... but in the mixer thing there it says like test sound
[04:17] <p337> and test midi
[04:17] <p337> and neither of those worked
[04:18] <p337> well.... not anymore...
[04:18] <Hobbsee> p337: in a terminal, /usr/lib/openoffice2/share/gallery/sounds/applause.wav
[04:18] <Hobbsee> does that work at all?
[04:19] <p337> nope
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:19] <p337> i think i installed sound drivers... that dont seem to work
[04:19] <p337> mayeb have hurt more than help....
[04:19] <Hobbsee> sounds driver related then, i suspect
[04:19] <dark_suic> me too
[04:20] <p337> yeah it works on windows
[04:20] <dark_suic> i have a laptop and with a clean kubuntu install sound just works
[04:20] <p337> lucky you
[04:20] <dark_suic> did it work for you just after install?
[04:20] <p337> nope
[04:20] <p337> not on the livecd either
[04:21] <p337> i knew that was gonna be a hassle going in
[04:21] <Hobbsee> sound, that is
[04:21] <p337> breezy came after the other two, correct?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> no, it goes hoary, breezy, dapper
[04:22] <dark_suic> well, now you just told it... a friend of mine had also a problem with breezy (don't remember if it was sound or another thing...)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> dapper is the development release - known to break
[04:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, there are a fair few breezy problems
[04:22] <p337> ah..... i think i have breezy... 5.10 right?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:23] <p337> ah
[04:24] <p337> i read something about upgrading kde after installing breezy.... does it come with the newest version?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> you can upgrade to kde3.5
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[04:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[04:26] <p337> is that a difficult process and/or will it help?
[04:26] <dark_suic> it's not difficult
[04:27] <dark_suic> and don't think that it will help with sound, but kde3.5 is just better than 3.4... imo
[04:27] <p337> hmm maybe ill try that after i get sound working
[04:27] <p337> and... then... wireless....
[04:29] <dark_suic> i just haven't been able to configure properly wireless on my laptop (although is quite probable that no wi-fi networks are near my home :P
[04:29] <p337> heh... i am hoping to get mine done before i go back to school and have to deal with their mistical wep key
[04:31] <m_tadeu> how should i use webmin without enbling the root account?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> use sudo for it somehow?
[04:32] <dark_suic> don't think so
[04:33] <dark_suic> Hobbsee, think that webmin uses a web interface
[04:33] <p337> this happens when trying to install sound drivers
[04:33] <p337> http://pastebin.com/497333
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[04:33] <dark_suic> Hobbsee, you login in a web, and you need to login as root or valid user
[04:33] <Hobbsee> right
[04:33] <dark_suic> m_tadeu, look for a text config file
[04:33] <Web-kanotix330> hey... is dapper flight 2 good enuf to use on desktop reliably.... in a personal opinion??
[04:33] <dark_suic> and just try to add you user to the list of valid users
[04:34] <m_tadeu> dark_suic: oki
[04:34] <dark_suic> Web-kanotix330, don't think it's for desktop
[04:34] <dark_suic> just for testing... not "stable"desktop...
[04:34] <Web-kanotix330> well.. what i'm using now sigfaults to term
[04:34] <Web-kanotix330> so... it's like wtf
[04:35] <dark_suic> segfaults?
[04:35] <dark_suic> i had that problem before
[04:35] <dark_suic> but after reinstalling, all went ok...
[04:35] <dark_suic> u using kde3.4?
[04:35] <Web-kanotix330> i know that kde 3.5 is more stable on my machine than 3.4
[04:35] <Web-kanotix330> yea
[04:35] <Web-kanotix330> 3.4.3
[04:35] <Web-kanotix330> yea... i meant segfault
[04:35] <dark_suic> well, i've read lots of people telling me that 3.5 stopped the segfaults...
[04:36] <dark_suic> u could just try it
[04:36] <dark_suic> i think that in about 2 months i've received like... 2 segfaults?
[04:37] <Web-kanotix330> i know that when i was running 3.5 with fox linux
[04:37] <Web-kanotix330> it was a lot better
[04:37] <Web-kanotix330> yea suppose... lol
[04:38] <p337> no help for me doing this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto ??
[04:38] <p337> the first command fails and says http://pastebin.com/497333
[04:39] <dark_suic> :P
[04:39] <dark_suic> p337, you have to install linux-source (or kernel source or howthehellisitcalled
[04:40] <dark_suic> then, cd to /usr/src
[04:40] <dark_suic> uncompress the tar file
[04:40] <p337> wait... what do you mean install linux-source?
[04:40] <dark_suic> and then link the new directory with ln -s newdirectoryjustcreatedwhendescompressing linux
[04:40] <dark_suic> the error it's giving you is that u need the source of the kernel
[04:41] <dark_suic> it's just a package
[04:41] <p337> how do i do that
[04:41] <p337> ah....
[04:41] <dark_suic> adept
[04:41] <dark_suic> adept is your friend :)
[04:41] <p337> yeah
[04:41] <p337> whats the package called?
[04:41] <dark_suic> something like linux-source-2.6.10
[04:41] <dark_suic> or kernel-source
[04:41] <dark_suic> just can't remember
[04:42] <dark_suic> and too lazy for searching
[04:42] <dark_suic> 4:40 an
[04:42] <dark_suic> am
[04:42] <dark_suic> time to go to bed :P
[04:42] <p337> ah
[04:42] <dark_suic> see  you :)
[04:42] <dark_suic> good luck :P
[04:42] <p337> thanks
[04:42] <p337> i found it
[04:50] <p337> quick question: command line unzipping, how?
[04:51] <bimberi> p337: unzip <file>
[04:51] <p337> lol...........
[04:51] <p337> easy enough
[04:51] <bimberi> :)
[04:56] <ilba7r> what is sif ?
[04:56] <p337> it says it cannot find it.......
[04:56] <p337> its a tar.bz2
[04:56] <ilba7r> p337, man tar
[04:56] <p337> mmkay
[04:56] <ilba7r> read the man on tar or just use konquer
[04:56] <p337> i tried konqueror and it said access denied
[04:57] <p337> afetr going for like a minute
[04:57] <ilba7r> where is the file you want to untar
[04:57] <ilba7r> do you have ther right permissions
[04:57] <p337> usr/src
[04:57] <p337> i guess i dont.. thats why i wanted the command line one
[04:57] <ilba7r> p337 you do not have the right permission there
[04:57] <p337> so i could do the sudo thing
[04:57] <ilba7r> yes
[04:57] <bimberi> p337: sudo tar xbvf <file>
[04:58] <ilba7r> but first make sure you know what you do
[04:58] <bimberi> oops ...
[04:58] <bimberi> p337: sudo tar xjvf <file>
[04:58] <bimberi> sorry
[04:58] <ilba7r> are you trying to build from source
[04:58] <p337> i honestly have no idea what u am trying to do
[04:58] <p337> i*
[04:58] <ilba7r> the apt-build command will do it for you if i remember correctly
[04:58] <bimberi> p337: you know i think you only need the headers
[04:58] <bimberi> ... and not the whole source
[04:59] <bimberi> p337: which would be "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[04:59] <bimberi> p337: (as per Note 1 on that HdaIntel page)
[05:00] <p337> i see...
[05:00] <p337> i get this error http://pastebin.com/497333so that guy told me to install linux-source package
[05:00] <p337> andi am trying to unzip it
[05:00] <p337> just for some background
[05:01] <ilba7r> you want to compile the kernel from source
[05:01] <bimberi> p337: i know, sometimes only the headers are only needed when you get that message
[05:01] <ilba7r> p337, you can do that but is risky
[05:01] <p337> i do not want to be risky
[05:01] <ilba7r> and you need sudo before the command to have the right permission
[05:01] <p337> lol.....
[05:02] <_jon> I am trying to get a flash drive to work...any suggestions?
[05:02] <_jon> or where shud i start?
[05:02] <bimberi> ilba7r: no, p337 is compiling alsa
[05:02] <p337> yeah
[05:02] <p337> thats it
[05:02] <ilba7r> p337, you can jus apt-get install alsa
[05:02] <p337> thats it?
[05:02] <ilba7r> read this link for dmix http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753&highlight=dmix
[05:03] <ilba7r> oh i forgot alsa is already installed
[05:03] <p337> i think i already have that installed
[05:03] <p337> lol...
[05:03] <p337> still no sound though
[05:03] <p337> should i install the alsa library?
[05:04] <p337> or is that all done
[05:04] <ilba7r> it is already installed to
[05:04] <bimberi> p337:  you're following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto aren't you?
[05:04] <p337> trying
[05:04] <ilba7r> libesd-alsa0
[05:04] <p337> i couldnt "make"
[05:04] <p337> or actually even do the first command
[05:05] <_jon> need help with flashdrive
[05:05] <bimberi> p337: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:05] <p337> i got that
[05:05] <p337> it has problems finding the source or something
[05:05] <p337> it found gcc and all that jazz
[05:06] <bimberi> p337: what about after a "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[05:06] <p337> ill try it
[05:07] <p337> its installing
[05:07] <p337> something
[05:07] <p337> linux headers i guess
[05:07] <bimberi> hope so :P
[05:07] <p337> lol
[05:08] <bimberi> also, don't use the command "make install" on that page.  Strongly advise using checkinstall instead - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[05:08] <p337> alrighty let me see if it "configures" this time
[05:10] <p337> omg it did it
[05:10] <p337> should i still use make
[05:10] <p337> for the first part
[05:11] <bimberi> p337: yes, that's fine
[05:11] <p337> Please, run the configure script as first...
[05:11] <p337> ....-_-
[05:11] <p337> i was so close
[05:13] <p337> do i have this? ncurses-dev
[05:14] <p337> sudo apt-get ncurses-dev ?
[05:14] <bimberi> sudo apt-get install ncurses-dev
[05:14] <p337> ah.. i was clse
[05:14] <bimberi> :)
[05:15] <p337> make[1] : Nothing to be done for `all-deps'
[05:15] <p337> then it says run the configure script first
[05:15] <ilba7r> p337 why not use th ealternative way it is quite compreh on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[05:16] <ilba7r> much cleaner too
[05:16] <p337> the thing from realtek?
[05:19] <Knowerrors> Hey all, just installed (I think) this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11300 , but typing Tavia doesn't launch it, and theres no icon in the Kmenu, help please
[05:23] <p337> ok... finished the install... it had errors.... how can i test my audio...
[05:24] <p337> are there built in ones somewhere?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> p337: in a terminal, /usr/lib/openoffice2/share/gallery/sounds/applause.wav
[05:24] <Hobbsee> p337: in a terminal, aplay /usr/lib/openoffice2/share/gallery/sounds/applause.wav
[05:24] <Hobbsee> sheesh, no wonder that didnt work!
[05:24] <p337> heh
[05:25] <p337> nothing
[05:25] <p337> *sigh*
[05:26] <p337> i was sure those realtek ones were gonna work
[05:27] <p337> ackkk!!!! it played a sound!
[05:28] <p337> and it was a happy applause!
[05:29] <bimberi> p337: great! what worked? (i missed a bit when my connection dropped out)
[05:29] <p337> that alternative one from realtek i think
[05:29] <p337> but not at first
[05:30] <p337> i went into the mixer and turned up front....
[05:30] <p337> i hope... that i wasted all that time because the volume was down
[05:30] <p337> i hope that i did not***
[05:31] <bimberi> well you probably learnt a few things anyway (even if that was the problem) :)
[05:31] <p337> good point
[05:33] <p337> ah... its wonderful
[05:42] <Knowerrors> anybody using Opera browser know what motif package is needed?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser#head-b18d1a6c39da18a249d5519906a4224a1b3cde59
[05:45] <p337> ok, now that the sound is working.... where should i start with wireless?
[05:46] <p337> ill go to the manufactorers website...
[05:48] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: I have opera installed and works fine from plf repos, but tells me at startup that it needs motif to use mozilla plugins
[05:49] <Hobbsee> doesnt that page tell you how to get them?
[05:50] <p337> what does chmod 755 do?
[05:50] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: hehe, just now read your link, my bad
[05:50] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:51] <alejandro_> hi there
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hi
[05:51] <Knowerrors> downloading the motif stuff now
[05:51] <alejandro_> i just installed win32codecs and amarok still can't play mp3 :S
[05:54] <alejandro_> i'm googling, but I can't find anything about it :S
[05:55] <p337> alejandro_:  i dont know much about this... but i think you may have to use adept to install it
[05:55] <p337> the mpeglib maybe?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[05:57] <p337> i think the bot got booted
[05:57] <p337> (11:47:22 pm) # ubotu has left the chat (Quit: "Excess Flood" ).
[05:58] <noel> i need help on my digicam... when I plugin to my usb port, nothings happend, I check on Storage Media, it was not there, but I check on KControl > peropherals > camera, my camera was detected.  I tried plugging in to ubuntu and its good, a certain program open and showed me the content of my camera..... in kubuntu (kde 3.5) doesnt work... any workaround?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[06:01] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:02] <Hobbsee> oh, oh well
[06:02] <p337> lol
[06:02] <p337> was what i said right?
[06:03] <p337> about mpeglib?
[06:03] <noel> xmms-mp3
[06:03] <Hobbsee> i think it's a whole lot of gstreamer plugins
[06:03] <p337> ah
[06:04] <p337> thats an awesome page, ill have to remember that one
[06:06] <p337> does tar automatically overwrite files with the same name
[06:18] <p337> how would i view a directory as root?
[06:21] <noel> Message from phil_crusader at 12:50:28 pm
[06:21] <noel> was asked to go into family business so saturdays na lang ako sa systeq
[06:21] <noel> ops sorry
[06:22] <noel> i need help on my digicam... when I plugin to my usb port, nothings happend, I check on Storage Media, it was not there, but I check on KControl > peropherals > camera, my camera was detected.  I tried plugging in to ubuntu and its good, a certain program open and showed me the content of my camera..... in kubuntu (kde 3.5) doesnt work... any workaround?
[06:45] <p337> what kernal version does breezy come with?
[06:46] <seth> 2.6.12
[06:46] <p337> thanks
[06:51] <p337> trying to install drivers for my wireless card, any idea why i get this error? http://pastebin.com/497439
[06:55] <p337> trying to install drivers for my wireless card, any idea why i get this error? http://pastebin.com/497439
[07:38] <johndarkhorse> kkathman: whats up?
[07:38] <kkathman> not much wassup with you?
[07:42] <holycow> hey all
[07:42] <holycow> hey can anyone confirm for me whether or not ubuntu is switching to kde as default desktop?
[07:42] <holycow> flight 2 seems to start off with kubuntu ... just curious
[07:42] <kkathman> not in Dapper they arent
[07:43] <holycow> oh okay it's a one off then, cool
[07:43] <kkathman> flight 2 has both an ubuntu and a kubuntu install
[07:43] <kkathman> I dont know what you are looking at, but there are both there
[07:43] <holycow> must be the testing system that i was using then
[07:43] <kkathman> well it would have to be, since Dapper isnt released for another 3 months
[07:43] <holycow> mine started off with a kubuntu splash screen, no biggie i was just cruious
[07:44] <kkathman> holycow: probably you were on a kubuntu installed system
[07:44] <kkathman> as thats the only way it could happen
[07:44] <holycow> heh, no
[07:44] <kkathman> heh yes
[07:44] <kkathman> lol
[07:45] <holycow> figures a kde user would think such simplistic scenarios are possible
[07:45] <holycow> :)
[07:45] <kkathman> sigh
[07:47] <holycow> what are you sighing at?
[07:48] <holycow> anyway thx for the heads up
[07:48] <kkathman> idiot
[07:51] <knubbe> :-)
[07:56] <ganymed> hallo
[07:56] <ganymed> how can make a screen picture in kde?
[07:57] <kkathman> yu mean a screenshot?
[07:59] <ganymed> well, yes
[07:59] <ganymed> just wanted to emphasize that it has to be the content of the screen
[08:00] <ganymed> prnt doesn't work...
[08:00] <kkathman> ganymed: K-menu, Graphics,Screencapture (ksnapshot)
[08:00] <ganymed> thx very much
[08:00] <ganymed> sry for bugging you, i have no explanations in my k menu anymore... so i didn't know it's already there
[08:01] <kkathman> np
[08:02] <p337> is there a task manager esque thing in kde?
[08:02] <sampan> p337  the ksysguard has a process table that will show you all processes
[08:03] <p337> sampan: thanks
[08:03] <sampan> sure
[08:03] <p337> will it end them?
[08:03] <sampan> yes, you can kill them with it
[08:03] <sampan> linux is such a violent OS: "kill" processes
[08:04] <ganymed> :)
[08:04] <sampan> definitely PG or PG-13 rating
[08:04] <ganymed> daemons and zombies!
[08:04] <sampan> yeah
[08:04] <sampan> it's a horror show in OS-form!
[08:10] <ganymed> well, not really. the real horror show comes with m$
[08:14] <P3L|C4N0> hi, I get an error message during the kde splash screen --> The application soundserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). any idea?
[08:37] <ganymed> ciao
[08:48] <bokman> When I type make in the console I get "command not found" any ideas?
[08:50] <robitaille> bokman,  maybe "make" is not installed?  I don't think it is installed by default
[08:53] <bokman> robitaille going to look at adept and search for make...
[08:56] <robitaille> bokman,  if you are going to compile a bunch of stuff, look for the metapackage "build-essential".  it will install gcc, make and a few other things
[09:04] <bokman> robitaille thanks, I'm currently a student in Electrical Engineering and will have to compile a lot fo stuff, thanks for all the help. A human being is so much more clever than Google :)
[09:08] <knubbe> isnt eclipse terribly slow on kubuntu?
[09:17] <bokman> I'm devloping with KDevelop
[09:17] <bokman> Writing SDL programs
[09:50] <wally42> hi
[09:55] <brosiooz>  /j #pocketpc
[09:59] <cute_bettong> i'm getting kubuntu-desktop is there a way to keep the gnome screensavers?
[09:59] <cute_bettong> Now Listening To: Kill Rock 'n Roll by System of a Down on Hypnotize
[10:05] <bettong_BOFH> i take it no one is here?
[10:05] <bettong_BOFH>
[10:05] <brosiooz> anyone known a channel about pocketpc/pda ?
[10:05] <bettong_BOFH> whoa theres life here
[10:05] <bettong_BOFH> O_o
[10:06] <bettong_BOFH> so can someone help me figure something out about screensavers?
[10:07] <bettong_BOFH> i want to be able to use gnome screensavers in kde
[10:17] <bettong_BOFH> is there anyone here?
[10:20] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to crop a video in Kaffeine?
[10:24] <bettong_BOFH> can someone help me setup kde a certain way
[10:25] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: you have to be more specific than that
[10:25] <bettong_BOFH> ok i want my multimedia keyboard to work like it did in gnome and i want to use gnome screensavers
[10:26] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: I don't know what you mean exactly by the first
[10:26] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: I don't just have some magical command for you
[10:26] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: but for the second I can help
[10:26] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: you'll need to install a couple of packages
[10:26] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[10:27] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: xscreensaver and some other package that integrates xscreensaver into kde
[10:27] <fatejudger> I forget the name...
[10:27] <bettong_BOFH> by multimedia keyboard i mean when in gnome i hit the volume up/down keys and the vlume would go up or down
[10:27] <bettong_BOFH> it's not doing that by default
[10:28] <bettong_BOFH> is there a way to bind keys?
[10:28] <fatejudger> ydah
[10:28] <fatejudger> *yeah
[10:28] <fatejudger> xev will do that
[10:29] <fatejudger> I'm sure there's a GUI program for that too
[10:29] <fatejudger> I think it's called khotkeys
[10:29] <fatejudger> I'm not the formost expert on keyboards though
[10:29] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[10:30] <bettong_BOFH> i apt-get installed kubuntu just to see if it was any diffrent than last year and wow
[10:30] <bettong_BOFH> i am totally lost in here lol
[10:30] <fatejudger> yeah
[10:30] <fatejudger> it's quite nice
[10:30] <bettong_BOFH> yes i must say i like what i see so far
[10:30] <fatejudger> far superior to Gnome IMO
[10:30] <bettong_BOFH> well if i can't figure it out lol >.<
[10:30] <fatejudger> it's pretty simple, it's just very customizable
[10:30] <fatejudger> like I said, try Khotkeys
[10:31] <fatejudger> and I know that xscreensaver thing works, because I use it
[10:31] <bettong_BOFH> so how do i get my gnome screensaver in here? i can worry about the keyboard later lol
[10:31] <fatejudger> do you want me to find the exact package name?
[10:31] <bettong_BOFH> um if you don't know it off the top of your head yes plix
[10:32] <fatejudger> kscreensaver-xsavers
[10:32] <fatejudger> and
[10:32] <fatejudger> xscreensaver
[10:32] <fatejudger> and
[10:32] <fatejudger> rss-glx
[10:32] <fatejudger> the last package is to get more screensavers
[10:32] <fatejudger> you may already ahve them installed
[10:32] <fatejudger> *have
[10:33] <bettong_BOFH> searching now
[10:33] <bettong_BOFH> yea the gnome world was getting kinda um boring
[10:34] <sampan> besides, kde now has the official Linus "seal of approval"
[10:34] <sampan> :X
[10:35] <bettong_BOFH> i know i heard and i am not to thrilled about the way he said it
[10:35] <bettong_BOFH> i thought it was kinda rude lol
[10:35] <sampan> lol -- i think he's known for being a bit gruff sometimes
[10:35] <sampan> i just thought it was funny
[10:35] <sampan> "just tell them to use kde" "gnome thinks users are idiots"
[10:36] <bettong_BOFH> yea it is in some aspects i think kde is to xpish but in others it seems very powerfull
[10:36] <sampan> i don't quite understand the "it's too much like windows" thing.  because it has a "kmenu" (i.e., start menu)?
[10:37] <fatejudger> that's like saying the gnome menu is like the mac menu
[10:37] <sampan> yep
[10:37] <fatejudger> KMenu is organized by program type
[10:37] <fatejudger> it's completely different
[10:37] <bettong_BOFH> that could be
[10:37] <fatejudger> does anyone here use Dapper Flight 2?
[10:37] <sampan> i set my desktop so a click anywhere brings up a menu -- no need for the kmenu button.  but the other "windows" elements are just design features that users may (or may not) want to use
[10:37] <fatejudger> I've been thinking of testing it
[10:37] <fatejudger> well, using it
[10:38] <fatejudger> It would basically be my main partition
[10:38] <bettong_BOFH> i lost intrest in kubuntu a while ago and thought it was to "tweaky" lol all the options frusterated me lol
[10:38] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: customizability is nice
[10:38] <sampan> bettong_bofh  i think that's a key reason why people don't use kde -- they get overwhelmed by the sheer # of options
[10:38] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: especially if there's some small little quirk that bothers you
[10:38] <sampan> but to my mind, that "tweakability" is a PLUS, not a minus
[10:38] <bettong_BOFH> yes i can see that
[10:38] <fatejudger> sampan: yes, but they organize the options in a way that more useful ones come first
[10:39] <fatejudger> sampan: the other options are often categorized as "expert"
[10:39] <bettong_BOFH> and tweakability is awsome but no when it overwhelms you >.<
[10:39] <bettong_BOFH> and it just did lol
[10:39] <fatejudger> I personally think KDE has been doing a good job of maintaining customizability while making it easier to access basic options
[10:40] <sampan> fatejudger  yeah i know.  but really, "expert" or not, most of the appearance and options can be handled by simply EXPLORING them for a couple of hours.  hit a button, see what changes
[10:40] <sampan> that's fun
[10:40] <sampan> :D
[10:40] <fatejudger> lol
[10:40] <fatejudger> yes, but not very productive
[10:40] <bettong_BOFH> yea it is i just keep getting myself lost lol
[10:40] <sampan> true
[10:40] <fatejudger> which is why I'm definately supportive of the changes they've been making
[10:40] <fatejudger> I have a feeling it'll be even more like that in KDE 4
[10:40] <sampan> but once you've done it a couple of times, then you find what works for you and you can settle down.
[10:40] <bettong_BOFH> i'm not saying it's bad but wow is it powerfull and alein to my natice gnome
[10:40] <sampan> what changes are they making?
[10:41] <fatejudger> they're porting KDE and it's apps over to QT 4
[10:41] <fatejudger> and redesigning KDE and many of its apps while they're at it
[10:41] <bettong_BOFH> is there away to completely remove menu's from kde useing the menu editor?
[10:41] <fatejudger> what menus?
[10:42] <sampan> bettong_bofh  sure, you can delete whole categories in kmenu
[10:42] <bettong_BOFH> i was looking in here and some options have delete and others do not
[10:42] <fatejudger> sampan: you can't delete the actions
[10:42] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: anything above the actions you can delete
[10:42] <bettong_BOFH> i was useing smeg is that not good enough?
[10:42] <sampan> fatejudger  which actions?
[10:42] <bettong_BOFH> or should i get kmenu?
[10:43] <fatejudger> sampan: lock user, log out, etc
[10:43] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: ?
[10:43] <sampan> oh true -- those don't show up in menu editor at all
[10:43] <bettong_BOFH> is kmenu the same as smeg?
[10:43] <sampan> wonder if a config file somewhere would let you remove them though
[10:43] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: wtf is smeg?
[10:43] <bettong_BOFH> it's in my new default kbar
[10:43] <fatejudger> sampan: I'm sure you could if you wanted to, but why?
[10:43] <sampan> smeg = simple menu editor (for) gnome ?
[10:44] <bettong_BOFH> it says menu editor (smeg) in the kbar
[10:44] <sampan> fatejudger  well i wouldn't want to, but theoretically someone might ?
[10:44] <fatejudger> well if it's FOR Gnome
[10:44] <fatejudger> why is he using it for KDE?
[10:44] <sampan> i dunno
[10:44] <bettong_BOFH> well i diden't know lol
[10:44] <sampan> actually my kmenu has a "Debian" item, with TONS of submenus -- and i can't delete it
[10:45] <fatejudger> sampan: one thing I do like about Gnome is the sheer amount of network config tools
[10:45] <sampan> nor change icons or anything-- very strange
[10:45] <fatejudger> sampan: it took KDE awhile to catch up in the wireless section
[10:45] <sampan> fatejudger  yeah, i kept the networking tools from gnome on my kmenu actually -- useful on occasion
[10:46] <fatejudger> sampan: I just use ifconfig and iwconfig
[10:46] <bettong_BOFH> i had to use ndiswrapper to get my wifi card to run
[10:46] <fatejudger> sampan: more effective
[10:46] <fatejudger> I use madwifi
[10:46] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: ok, that's annyoing
[10:46] <bettong_BOFH> just haveing fun sorry
[10:46] <bettong_BOFH> >.<
[10:46] <bettong_BOFH> madwifi can run belkin chipsets?
[10:46] <sampan> i'm still too newb (and too busy being productive with my kubuntu!) to fiddle with networking -- the pppoe to my dsl works flawlessly (never even drops -- unlike win which dropped the line every two weeks at least)
[10:46] <fatejudger> dunno, but it works great
[10:47] <fatejudger> sampan: the wireless you mean?
[10:47] <bettong_BOFH> hmm i might have to try it
[10:47] <knubbe> anyone using eclipse?
[10:47] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: I use a DLink wifi card with madwifi
[10:47] <bettong_BOFH> wow nice i have a belkin
[10:48] <bettong_BOFH> >.< and i know there not very good with linux
[10:48] <fatejudger> you'd be surprised how good madwifi is
[10:48] <bettong_BOFH> as i had to basicly beat the shit outta ndis to make it work
[10:48] <fatejudger> knubbe: java is evil
[10:48] <bettong_BOFH> then i will have to give it  a try once i get things sorted here
[10:48] <sampan> fatejudger  i don't have any wireless ... just a simple dsl modem and my desktop --- the gnome stuff i've kept are basic network GUI tools, -- have no need for anything fancy thus far
[10:48] <knubbe> fatejudger: well. its really really slow here.
[10:48] <bettong_BOFH> whoa i got rid of the debian menus wow
[10:49] <knubbe> fatejudger: i wonder if its better if i compile it from the tarball instead of getting it from the repository.
[10:49] <bettong_BOFH> ok i am hooked i know see the awsomeness of kde ^^
[10:50] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: cool, another convert
[10:50] <bettong_BOFH> is kaffene still a hog like it was last year?
[10:50] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: kaffeine runs great for me
[10:50] <bettong_BOFH> ok cool
[10:50] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: make sure to get the newest one though, 7.1
[10:50] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: 7.0 is a little buggy
[10:50] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: not to mention unstable
[10:51] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: just enable backports in your sources.list
[10:51] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[10:51] <bettong_BOFH> wow kmenu is really a powerfull app
[10:52] <bettong_BOFH> i'm starting to really like this ^^ it's much better than it was when i last used it
[10:52] <sampan> amarok is the funky one for me -- haven't tried the latest one, but the breezy base amarok has a strange phenomenon: some files it plays with only 2-3% cpu and some are 20+% very odd
[10:52] <bettong_BOFH> wow thats weard
[10:52] <bettong_BOFH> amarok is what made me come back to kde lol
[10:53] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: amarok is the best media player EVER
[10:53] <bettong_BOFH> i seen how much improvement there was lol
[10:53] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: do you have 1.3.7?
[10:53] <bettong_BOFH> yea i cannot complane about it
[10:53] <bettong_BOFH> i don't know how to tell?
[10:53] <fatejudger> help->about ?
[10:54] <bettong_BOFH> 1.3.7
[10:54] <bettong_BOFH> is what i have
[10:54] <bettong_BOFH> whats better synaptic or adept?
[10:55] <bettong_BOFH> whoa it inculdes the descriptions now like synaptic O_o
[10:55] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: I prefer Adept
[10:55] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: but that's partly for GUI reasons
[10:55] <bettong_BOFH> well i will give it a try
[10:55] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: I also like the built in CLI
[10:55] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: it's big and informative
[10:56] <fatejudger> I'm scared, but I really want to try Flight 2
[10:56] <fatejudger> I wish Riddell or somebody was on since I have a couple of questions to ask about it
[10:57] <bettong_BOFH> wow it's nice
[10:58] <fatejudger> maybe I'll create another partition using QTParted
[10:59] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: do you multitask a lot?
[10:59] <bettong_BOFH> sometimes yes i do a whole lot lol
[10:59] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: you should try a program called kompose
[10:59] <fatejudger> bettong_BOFH: you should be able to find it in Adept
[10:59] <bettong_BOFH> something tells me i will have to reinstall teamspeak
[10:59] <fatejudger> doubt it
[11:03] <theine> Hi, has katapult's behaviour recently changed? If I hit <ALT-SPACE> it appears but it doesn't do anything when I start to type in "xchat" or whatever.
[11:08] <fatejudger> theine: works fine for me
[11:08] <fatejudger> theine: maybe xchat doesn't exist anymore in your KMenu?
[11:08] <theine> fatejudger, it does
[11:09] <theine> fatejudger, kmail, thunderbird all don't work
[11:09] <theine> fatejudger, nothing happens if I start to type in *any* letter
[11:13] <theine> It used to work just fine until I purge my KDE configuration (mv ~/.kde <somewhere else>) and started from scratch
[11:19] <fatejudger> theine: wow, that's really strange
[11:19] <fatejudger> theine: have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling katapult?
[11:20] <bettong_BOFH> is there a way to put a custom part/away messege in konverstation?
[11:20] <theine> no, I didn't try that
[11:23] <karl_> hi, I just installed breezy last night, and had just about everything working fine, sound was playing well, mp3s and mpegs too.  But for some special hardware, I had to build a new kernel, and now I have lost sound.  Anything I'm likely to have missed?  artsd is running, but I know nothing else about sound with kde
[11:27] <theine> kark_, what's that special hardware?
[11:28] <karlwrk> a delkin cardbus ide reader
[11:28] <cryptom> hi, how does the system determine to rotate e.g. /var/log/syslog daily, even if in /etc/logrotate.conf "weekly" is globally set?
[11:28] <karlwrk> it's in the -ac kernels, or you can get a patch from http://www.rtr.ca/
[11:29] <karlwrk> still hasn't made it into the regular kernel yet for some reason, though it's been around since 2.6.9
[11:29] <karlwrk> is there something I'm not going to have wrt linux-restricted-modules type thing?
[11:30] <theine> karlwrk, it's a shame that driver cannot be build as module (appearently)
[11:30] <karlwrk> it might be able to me
[11:30] <karlwrk> but I had a hell of a time trying that last time around
[11:31] <theine> yeah, that can get a bit hairy sometimes
[11:31] <karlwrk> and what's wrong with making your own kernel :) (things stop working! that's what!)
[11:31] <theine> karlwrk, exactly
[11:31] <karlwrk> still, if I took that approach, I'd never have it working ever
[11:32] <theine> which approach? the don't-touch-the-kernel approach?
[11:32] <karlwrk> yeah
[11:32] <theine> I always try to build modules against the Ubuntu kernel
[11:34] <karlwrk> so is there anything weird I need to do with artsd?
[11:34] <karlwrk> I suppose I could get the ubuntu version of 2.6.12 and patch that and rebuild
[11:34] <karlwrk> instead of starting with the vanilla 2.6.15
[11:35] <karlwrk> but there should still be a way of making sound work with my own kernl right?
[11:35] <theine> karlwrk, yes, take the Ubuntu source and build that
[11:35] <theine> karlwrk, I'm sure there is but less sure if it's worth finding out...
[11:36] <theine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=kernel&titlesearch=Titles
[11:45] <hawking> how can i downgrade kde?
[11:49] <bettong_BOFH> wow this is neat i'm really starting to like kde
[11:54] <bettong_BOFH> ping
[11:56] <joshisscifi> pong
[12:14] <bettong_BOFH> what was the program that allows you to bind keys to apps in kubuntu?
[12:16] <karlwrk> you can get it via system settings->accessibility
[12:17] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[12:20] <bettong_BOFH> hmm dosen't seem to have what i am looking for
[12:21] <bettong_BOFH> i want to bind the volume and player keys on the keyboard and the web keys to the web like in ubntu
[12:21] <bettong_BOFH> ubuntu
[12:21] <karlwrk> yeah, I'm still working on things like that.
[12:22] <bettong_BOFH> is there an easy way to do it like in ubuntu?
[12:22] <bettong_BOFH> or is there some sorta complicated bs you have to jump through?
[12:23] <bettong_BOFH> lol just got it this morning lol
[12:23] <bettong_BOFH> sorting out the menus and getting rid of all the extra crap i will not be useing
[12:44] <CyberMad> is it true if i install freeradius-mysql (use apt-get install freeradius-mysql) which the package depends on freeradius, libc6, etc.. so automatically install them?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> CyberMad: that's the idea of dependancies, yes
[12:45] <CyberMad> thanks.. i thought i must install the freeradius, libc6 first before install the freeradius-mysql :) thanks..
[12:47] <Hobbsee> nope, it does it automatically
[12:51] <bettong_BOFH> thoreauputic: can you help me with something?
[12:51] <thoreauputic_> bettong_BOFH: depends on what :)
[12:51] <bettong_BOFH> i want to bind some keys
[12:52] <bettong_BOFH> i don't know how gnome did it but i can't seem to find the app in kubuntu
[12:52] <bettong_BOFH> i want to bind the volume and multimedia keys as well as the web keys and the "my computer" key
[12:52] <thoreauputic_> bettong_BOFH: I'm in fluxbox at the moment - I expect kcontrol has a section for keyboard bindings etc
[12:53] <bettong_BOFH> ok i have to find that lol
[12:53] <bettong_BOFH> the menu's here are kinda new to me at the moment
[12:53] <thoreauputic_> bettong_BOFH: try opening a terminal and typing kcontrol  :)
[12:54] <bettong_BOFH> done
[12:54] <bettong_BOFH> but i don't see anything under keyboard except the hardware settings lol
[12:59] <CyberMad> how do i know dependency list from a package that i would like to install? i want to create a documentation
[01:00] <Hobbsee> apt-cache show packagename
[01:00] <bettong_BOFH> how to make mozzilla firefox the default browzer instead of konq?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> bettong_BOFH: in kcontrol, kde settings or something, default apps
[01:01] <bettong_BOFH> kk
[01:01] <CyberMad> thanks
[01:01] <monad> hello... a bit off topic, but could it be that kubuntu configured my xorg so that somehow it wouldn't allow a beamer to be connected?
[01:02] <bettong_BOFH> wow i am so lost in here lol
[01:03] <Hobbsee> monad: um...definetly one of the more unusual questions
[01:03] <Hobbsee> would doing an !xcfg help?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> !xfcg
[01:04] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I haven't a clue
[01:04] <Hobbsee> !xcfg
[01:04] <ubotu> methinks xcfg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:05] <bettong_BOFH> weard when i try to open a link from here and i put mozilla-firefox in the compnent chooser it tryes to load it but dosen't
[01:06] <bettong_BOFH> >.<
[01:06] <Hobbsee> try putting just "firefox" in there
[01:06] <Hobbsee> or maybe "firefox %s"
[01:06] <Hobbsee> no quotes
[01:06] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[01:08] <bettong_BOFH> wow it worked ^^
[01:09] <monad> hobbsee: what puzzles me is that in the generated xorg.conf i can't find vertical or horizontal refresh rates... does kubuntu write them somewhere else?
[01:09] <bettong_BOFH> now if i can just find the place to put the volume keys in and stuff
[01:09] <Hobbsee> monad: i'm assuming it would be in that file, but i dont really know - i've never had to touch it
[01:09] <monad> hobbsee: i'm new to kubuntu and used to configuring xorg manually
[01:11] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming you still could hand configure the file
[01:11] <monad> hmmm.... i'll try
[01:12] <monad> thanks so far... guess i'll be back soon
[01:13] <hawking> how can i downgrade kde? any ideas?
[01:13] <hawking> I have kde3.5 but it has many bugs so I want to downgrade for now
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hawking: i think you have to sudo aptitude clean, remove kdelibs or something similarly named, comment out your sources list, then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop again
[01:16] <hawking> what does "sudo apt-get clean" do?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> er, i meant sudo aptitude clean
[01:17] <Hobbsee> gets rid of the debs that have already been downloaded via apt-get/aptitude/adept/etc
[01:21] <noirequus> hawking: open a konsole and type "man aptitude"
[01:22] <hawking> nalioth :thx
[01:22] <s_spiff> helllo
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hi
[01:24] <hawking> hobbsee: so kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data and kdelibs4c2 are installed should i remove them all?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, and it should remove everything else
[01:24] <Hobbsee> but, you will be left without a GUI
[01:24] <Hobbsee> you will be doing this via console...
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ie, do it in a virtual terminal
[01:25] <s_spiff> hey, I got a wierd problem..
[01:25] <hawking> Hobbsee : ok
[01:25] <Hobbsee> s_spiff: shoot
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hawking: or reinstall, if that's easier, and backup first
[01:25] <s_spiff>  while konkueror gives an error while connecting to a site.... firefox does it easily..any idea why?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> what error?
[01:26] <hawking> hobbsee : you mean reinstall kubuntu?
[01:26] <s_spiff> An error occured while connecting to www.google.com
[01:26] <s_spiff>  Time out on server
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hawking: yeah
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:26] <s_spiff> connection was to http://www.google.com
[01:27] <s_spiff> thats like three lines of error.
[01:28] <s_spiff> while FF loads it in like seconds...
[01:28] <monad> hi... having problems connecting a beamer to a kubuntu machine, seemingly due to xorg.conf
[01:28] <monad> refresh rates
[01:29] <monad> kubuntu didn't even bother inserting some. how come?
[01:29] <s_spiff> Hobbsee, ?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> s_spiff: no idea, but check konq's connection settings, and adjust them as needed - it's in configure konqueror
[01:30] <s_spiff> forget it, its working now.
[01:30] <s_spiff>  P
[01:30] <s_spiff> no clue, what goes wrong with it!
[01:33] <monad> and why is there no way to manually configure xorg? there should be xorgconfig, shouldn't there?
[01:33] <nalioth> !xcfg
[01:33] <ubotu> from memory, xcfg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:34] <nalioth> monad: there ya go
[01:34] <monad> ok... will try
[01:34] <monad> thanks
[01:37] <monad> this is weird... i manually inserted refresh rates into xorg.conf and restarted X (where i'm typing from right now), while at the moment a small box saying "input not supported" is jumping across my screen
[01:37] <monad> anyone experience with acer flat screens?
[01:37] <theine> Hi, katapult stopped working after my last `rm -rf ~/.kde'. The katapult widget shows up if I hit <ALT-F2> but nothing happens if I start to type something...
[01:37] <blackflag> do you set your config to 60Hz ?
[01:38] <blackflag> all flats are running 60Hz
[01:38] <blackflag> when you have more configured than you are out of luck
[01:39] <nalioth> monad: an LCD screen?
[01:39] <monad> yes
[01:39] <nalioth> monad: see blackflags comments. lcds don't 'refresh' like tubes do
[01:40] <monad> problem is, the lcd screen worked fine, but once i try to connect a beamer to that port, i don't get a picture. which seems to be connected to refresh rates.
[01:40] <monad> nalioth: so what do i do to make both work
[01:41] <nalioth> monad: i'm not sure what a "beamer" is
[01:41] <monad> projector
[01:42] <nalioth> ah, the projector is gonna have different settings
[01:42] <nalioth> monad: check your projector manual
[01:42] <monad> and regarding refresh rates: even on my laptop there are refresh rates in xorg.conf - they're dummy like, just covering a certain range
[01:51] <noel> hi, i need help!
[01:52] <noel> i am using ubuntu with KDE 3.5 kernel ver. 2.6.12-10-386
[01:53] <noel> i plug-in my digicam, and it nothings happen. seems that it doesnt mount. but The camera was detected thru KControl > peripherals . Camera
[01:54] <noel> but in Ubuntu / Gnome, it auto detect and open a program, and showed the content of the camera
[01:54] <noel> any help?
[01:54] <Frazer> digital camera?
[01:55] <Frazer> on my camera there is an option to connect as mass storage device in the options on the achual camera
[01:55] <Frazer> mine mounts under kde as soon as io plug it in
[02:00] <noel> yes  digital camera....
[02:00] <noel> my kubuntu mount automatically, last month. but now it doesnt. I dont know what happened. :(
[02:01] <Xemanth^> my kubuntu doesn't mount usb devices at all
[02:01] <noel>  my kubuntu mounts my digicam automatically, last month. but now it doesnt. I dont know what happened. :( any body can help? :(
[02:02] <noel> i have external hard disk (USB), mounts automatically.
[02:02] <Xemanth^> my usb2 hdd doesn't mount, neither creative muvo x fm
[02:02] <Xemanth^> tx*
[02:02] <Xemanth^> i can't see both in fdisk -l
[02:02] <Xemanth^> but in dmesg i see them
[02:03] <Xemanth^> i have own made kernel config :D but dunno what i should enable
[02:03] <Xemanth^> everything should be ok :|
[02:03] <noel> i  tried to plug-in the camera on my Ubuntu (same computer, i just logged out kde and logged in gnome) and it worked! it opens a program that showed me the content of the camera (pics)
[02:04] <Xemanth^> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=401142
[02:06] <noel> thanks will check the link :)
[02:06] <Xemanth^> i'm that Angelus dude :)
[02:34] <thegladiator> hi
[02:34] <thegladiator> I cant change my login screen in KDE 3.5 ?
[02:35] <nalioth> thegladiator: please be more specific
[02:35] <thegladiator> i am trying to change my login splash in kde 3.5
[02:36] <thegladiator> where can I do that ?
[02:36] <thegladiator> i am in systems -->  login manager --> admin mode
[02:36] <thegladiator> i can see "Appearance , Font, BG,Shutdown,User Convenience " menus
[02:37] <thegladiator> where can I change the splash ?
[02:37] <cain_> thegladiator,
[02:37] <cain_> not there
[02:37] <cain_> its by appearance
[02:37] <thegladiator> ah
[02:37] <cain_> lol
[02:38] <thegladiator> i found it at kcontrol
[02:44] <burepe1> All ya'll know how to patch a directory? I cd to inside the directory and do "patch -p0 < tree.diff", right? Where do I put the .patch file?\
[03:32] <ep> does kate do opendocument or should I get abiword (which is gtk based)?
[03:34] <larsivi> ep: kword do opendocument
[03:34] <larsivi> ep: and the rest of KOffice
[03:37] <ep> Maybe I don't understand, I was under the impression the 'odt' files created by openoffice are opendocument files.  Will abiword read these?   I tried to open in kate, no go -- binary file.
[03:37] <ep> i'm looking for something a little lighter than openoffice to read these odt files
[03:39] <ep> openoffice 2
[03:40] <ep> guess i need kword
[03:41] <ep> i've got kwrite and kate
[03:41] <ep> so confusing
[03:41] <ep> kedit too, i've got it:)
[03:43] <larsivi> ep: did you see my comments at all?
[03:44] <larsivi> ep: In KDE, KOffice (KWord, KSpread etc) understand and can write Open Documents
[03:44] <larsivi> The others you mention are light editors for simple text mostly
[03:45] <larsivi> And KWord IS lighter than OpenOffice
[03:47] <kkathman> but to its credit, OO2 is a more robust product.  However Kexi and Krita are good starts for the K-office line. I hope they continue to make strides
[03:51] <karlwrk> is there a way to make kde automount things like removeable drives and cds? like in gnome desktop?
[03:51] <kkathman> yes, mount it, then put it in your fstab
[03:52] <karlwrk> bad answer, the cd and the flash card are already in fstab
[03:53] <karlwrk> the cd has an icon on the desktop, but it't not availabled in /media/cdrom until I double click, or mount manually
[03:53] <kkathman> karlwrk: have you recently installed kubuntu?
[03:53] <karlwrk> yes
[03:54] <kkathman> karlwrk: have you done any upgrades using Adept?
[03:54] <gibarian> hello
[03:54] <karlwrk> yes, any in particular you're curious about?
[03:54] <theine> Hi, katapult seems to be broken on my system. If I hit <ALT-SPACE>, the katapult widget shows up but nothing happens if I start to type something. Does anybody else have that problem?
[03:54] <karlwrk> I tried to pick most of the kde stuff that was "upgradeable"
[03:54] <Zdr4vk0^BG> guys do you know a editor for KDE with C++ syntax highlighting?
[03:55] <karlwrk> vim?
[03:55] <theine> Zdr4vk0^BG, I would guess that kate is able to do that
[03:55] <seth> Zdr4vk0^BG, Kate, Eclipse, and KDevelop all handle C++
[03:55] <kkathman> karlwrk: well, you should take all of them that are suggested, except possibly the kernel upgrades I suppose
[03:55] <seth> theine, I have that problem too... you're using Dapper, right?
[03:56] <kkathman> there were a few odd things with automount, but it certainly works fine for me
[03:56] <theine> seth, I do, yes
[03:56] <seth> yeah
[03:56] <seth> methinks Mez broke it
[03:56] <theine> seth, it's bugging me a bit because I'm already so used to katapult
[03:56] <seth> http://launchpad.net and file a bug report :)
[03:56] <karlwrk> hmm. do you know where to set up commands to run on automount? like the gnome-volume-manager?
[03:56] <theine> seth, not Ubuntu bugzilla?
[03:56] <Zdr4vk0^BG> 10x
[03:57] <seth> oy theine, you win. I didn't remember katapult being in main
[03:57] <seth> but you're right
[03:57] <theine> seth, Mez is Martin Meredith?
[03:57] <seth> right
[04:06] <C-O-L-T> do you know a world atlas for linux? it is necessary for my studies
[04:06] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: lots of them on line
[04:07] <C-O-L-T> kkhathman: not online
[04:07] <C-O-L-T> for my pc
[04:07] <kkathman> you can download them sometimes  ie.  http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
[04:07] <kkathman> thats the absolute best Ive seen
[04:07] <kkathman> Ive got that on my handheld
[04:08] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: It contains maps and so on
[04:08] <kkathman> hehe...yes quite
[04:09] <karlwrk> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/
[04:09] <karlwrk> is much better than the cia world factbook
[04:09] <karlwrk> (unless you really do want the demographic info as well)
[04:11] <douglas> how do I switch automake versions?
[04:12] <nalioth> douglas: just install what you need
[04:12] <nalioth> douglas: no need to "switch"
[04:12] <karlwrk> no, bad answer :)
[04:12] <karlwrk> sometimes you do
[04:13] <karlwrk> update-alternatives automake
[04:13] <karlwrk> or fiddle with the /etc/alternatives files yourself
[04:13] <kkathman> karlwrk: I think telling people "bad answer" is not appropriate, could you find another way to express that?  Thanks.
[04:13] <karlwrk> unhelpful answer?
[04:13] <karlwrk> sometimes people really do know what they want
[04:13] <karlwrk> ie, "I want to switch automake versions"
[04:14] <karlwrk> saying, "don't do that" is in my mind, a bad answer
[04:14] <douglas> ahhhh
[04:14] <karlwrk> sure, I should have used a better phrase to you earlier
[04:14] <nalioth> karlwrk: in my experience, i have several versions installed. my compile jobs find the version they seek
[04:14] <karlwrk> yours was at least more helpful than some.
[04:14] <kkathman> everyone here tries to help, sacrificially, based on their knowledge. The CoC demands that we respect each other, and be kind.  Thanks for your help in making this happen :)
[04:14] <karlwrk> nalioth: not all software is well written unfortunately
[04:15] <nalioth> i dont call any specific version of automake for any reasons, so would not know about that angle of answer
[04:15] <theine> seth, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22198
[04:16] <cleo> !seveas
[04:16] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:16] <karlwrk> nalioth: it normalyl comes from "bad" configure/autogen scripts trying to work out whether the version installed is suitable or not.  sometimes they have strange versions like -ubuntu
[04:16] <karlwrk> or -patch4
[04:16] <nalioth> karlwrk: yes i'm familiar with -0ubuntu1
[04:17] <karlwrk> that's all, normally it all works fine, but sometimes you get something that tries parsing the ubuntu part as a version number and goes, "urrh, you're auto* version is all screwy"
[04:17] <karlwrk> sometimes it's easier to fix the code
[04:17] <karlwrk> sometimes it's easier to just install another version of the autotools
[04:18] <theine> karlwrk, isn't -0ubuntu1 an APT thing only? I've never seen any configure scripts being aware of these version numbers
[04:18] <karlwrk> either way, update-alternatives is cool, and useful for more than just switching autoconf anyway
[04:19] <nalioth> karlwrk: i'm just a dumb ol' country boy, tryin to answer questions as best i'm able
[04:19] <karlwrk> you do a lot better job of it than me
[04:19] <karlwrk> I remember your nick from about 6 months ago, last time I was having problems
[04:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:22] <linuxgangan> hallo
[04:22] <theine> howdy
[04:23] <linuxgangan> spricht man hier duetsch oder nur englisch?
[04:23] <theine> nur englisch
[04:23] <linuxgangan> oki.. danke
[04:23] <theine> kein ding
[04:24] <linuxgangan> aber bei kubuntu themen wird mir hier geholfen?
[04:24] <theine> das schon
[04:24] <linuxgangan> ok.. dann ab jetzt auf english
[04:25] <nalioth> !de
[04:25] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[04:26] <Zdr4vk0^BG> !bg
[04:26] <ubotu> Zdr4vk0^BG: Syntax error in line 1
[04:26] <theine> what's bg?
[04:26] <theine> bulgaria?
[04:26] <Zdr4vk0^BG> yes
[04:26] <theine> ah, I didn't know that
[04:26] <Zdr4vk0^BG> i want ubuntu and kubuntu help in my language
[04:26] <theine> plausible
[04:28] <DocTomoe> however, I doubt there are much people to help in language-specific channels.
[04:29] <linuxgangan> I am new with linux (Kubuntu) and I have a "little" problem: I installed (packetmanager) a programm "vncserver" but i cannot start it ... I do not know how,because it is not in the K-menue . I have this problem with other programs, which are not in the k-menue, too.Can somebody help me or tell me a wiki/website to look after.(of course I searched for info but I didnt find)
[04:29] <DocTomoe> linuxgangan: why do you need vncserver?
[04:30] <DocTomoe> I am asking because this sounds like a relative newbie not knowing what he/she/it does.
[04:30] <linuxgangan> because I want to acces this computer from my win XP computer
[04:31] <DocTomoe> this is a server daemon, this means it is started at system startup or via /etc/init.d/vncsomething start . it will not appear in any menu, because handling daemons is not a user task
[04:31] <linuxgangan> I made it the other way (WIn as server) but I want Kubuntu as server, so i can put the kubuntu-pc into another room
[04:31] <DocTomoe> linuxgangan: you have heard of sshd, have you?
[04:31] <linuxgangan> not really
[04:31] <nalioth> linuxgangan: vncserver is a console application
[04:32] <linuxgangan> I used tightvnc on Windows.. so I tought I can use it here too
[04:32] <DocTomoe> linuxgangan: are you dependent on GUI? Do you know about the shell?
[04:33] <DocTomoe> linuxgangan: I experienced that vncserver is nontrivial to set up and should be avoided, especially if ssh can be used.
[04:33] <linuxgangan> shell is the terminal?! ...i am not really good there... I used it for apt....
[04:33] <theine> DocTomoe, vncserver is very easy to set up actually
[04:34] <theine> DocTomoe, and is a lot faster than X forwarding over ssh
[04:34] <DocTomoe> theine: beauty and easyness lies in the eye of the beholder...
[04:34] <linuxgangan> ooo
[04:34] <theine> DocTomoe, that's certainly true
[04:35] <linuxgangan> doctomoe.. I cant talk to you because "I am not registered" ... but I think I just did it ... und ja ich sprach deutsch!
[04:36] <bettong_BOFH> wow that was weard
[04:36] <linuxgangan> how can I see if I am now registered?
[04:37] <linuxgangan> at the chat / irc
[04:37] <DocTomoe> linuxgangan: try /nickserv help register
[04:37] <bettong_BOFH> kubuntu must not like my mouse
[04:37] <DocTomoe> youll learn about registering your nickname
[04:37] <bettong_BOFH> i had to hit ctrl-alt-backspace to get it back
[04:40] <bettong_BOFH> brb
[04:40] <trappist> when kmail connects to my imap server, the load on the server goes through the roof.  doesn't happen with any other client.  any ideas why?
[04:41] <sorush20> guys where is the pmount package again?
[04:41] <robotgeek> sorush20: i dont think pmount is present in kubuntu
[04:42] <trappist> apt-cache says it's in main
[04:42] <sorush20> robotgeek: I think here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pmount/
[04:42] <sorush20> but I keep getting dependency problems..
[04:43] <sorush20> how can I make my desktop look like mac?
[04:43] <thegladiator> sorush20, which desktop do you use ? kde/gnome ?
[04:43] <CyberMad> when i install a package with apt-get install package, i see the package is downloaded from http://id.archive.ubuntu.com, is it a mirror?
[04:43] <sorush20> kde?
[04:43] <sorush20> kde
[04:44] <sorush20> thegladiator:
[04:44] <CyberMad> i mean, where the packages are stored?
[04:44] <sorush20> CyberMad: I think it is
[04:44] <callie> anyone here able to assist a bash noob?
[04:44] <thegladiator> sorush20, try out www.kde-looks.org , thats where you get these themes
[04:44] <thegladiator> but I am not sure you can get a perfect MAC look
[04:44] <trappist> callie: not if you don't ask a question
[04:44] <kkathman> CyberMad:  yes those are mirrors more or less
[04:45] <robotgeek> sorush20:look for baghira, and ksmoothdock
[04:45] <sorush20> thegladiator: I just wanted to get the interactive menu.. when you role over it moves and the icos become bigger.. etc
[04:45] <CyberMad> ok :)
[04:46] <thegladiator> sorush20 i am not sure , but are you taking of dektop or everything like in konqeuror also ?
[04:46] <callie> trappist: just being polite, what i want to do is script an action where it will delve into a folder execute one file, pause, and then go into another folder and execute another file
[04:46] <DocTomoe> sorush20: from #kde 4 minutes ago: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552215
[04:46] <kkathman> callie do you know which files?
[04:46] <callie> kkathman: yup
[04:46] <DocTomoe> short: the functionality search for is gone and never will come back in kicker ;)
[04:47] <_gg> s
[04:47] <sorush20> CyberMad: as long as the files download with out any problems you don't really have to think about whether its a mirror or not.. I actually don't know anything about mirrors and how they work with dns, but look it up on wikipedia if you want..
[04:47] <kkathman> callie you can put that in a script and just pause between the executions I reckon
[04:47] <sorush20> what did you want to show?
[04:47] <trappist> callie: cd dir && ./file && sleep 5; cd /other/dir && ./file
[04:48] <kkathman> yep
[04:48] <callie> ok, well thats what i've done but im getting file not found errors, even though the address is correct
[04:48] <kkathman> put the #!/bin/bash  at the top, and save the file, then chmod +x
[04:48] <callie> did that too
[04:49] <callie> oh hang on
[04:49] <kkathman> did you put it in /usr/local/bin ?
[04:49] <callie> i think i put #!/bin/sh
[04:49] <kkathman> that should work too tho
[04:49] <callie> oh
[04:49] <callie> hmmm
[04:49] <trappist> is the file executable?
[04:49] <thegladiator> CyberMad, they are in a way mirros i guess . It depends on your country
[04:49] <sorush20> DocTomoe: what did you want to show my in this link
[04:49] <kkathman> trappist yah I asked her if she did the chmod +x
[04:50] <callie> trappist: they're files that i normally execute manually
[04:50] <sorush20> thegladiator: there is a kwin-baghira in adept do you think I should use that?
[04:50] <trappist> what exactly is the error  you get?
[04:50] <kkathman> I always put bin/bash in mine, but I hear /bin/sh works ok too
[04:50] <trappist> kkathman: /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash
[04:51] <DocTomoe> sorush20: you searched for an interactive menu with icon enlargement etc. seems I misunderstood you on this. sorry
[04:51] <thegladiator> giev a try not used it
[04:51] <callie> trappist: ./kaidlaunch: line 2: cd: /home/callie/kaidexe/kaid: Not a directory
[04:51] <thegladiator> sorush20, win mananger correct ?
[04:51] <trappist> callie: you're trying to cd to a file
[04:51] <kkathman> lol
[04:51] <gangan963> ?
[04:52] <thegladiator> sorush20, perhaps that wud be useful it says its for apple junkies
[04:52] <robotgeek> sorush20: kwin-baghira and ksmoothdock
[04:53] <callie> no trappist its a dir
[04:54] <thegladiator> robotgeek, once I install that will it destroy my current settings ?
[04:54] <robotgeek> thegladiator: destroy?
[04:54] <robotgeek> thegladiator: which settings are you talking about?
[04:54] <thegladiator> destroy as in teper my current settings...about kwin-baghira
[04:55] <robotgeek> thegladiator: i've not used the dock (i hate it), but kwin-bhagira is just like a theme, i guess
[04:55] <thegladiator> ah and you like it?
[04:55] <thegladiator> kwin is a window manager so less than a theme
[04:55] <thegladiator> ok go you
[04:55] <robotgeek> thegladiator: it's okay, the eyecandy gets irritating after a while
[04:55] <thegladiator> got*
[04:55] <thegladiator> ah :)
[04:55] <callie> actually i think i might have messed up some permissions
[04:55] <callie> gonna rebuild the files
[04:56] <thegladiator> kde theme packages in repos is not something to boast off
[04:57] <Florian-T> Hi all
[04:57] <robotgeek> thegladiator: hmm, which themes would you like to have packages of?
[04:57] <robotgeek> Florian-T: hi
[04:57] <Florian-T> i have a little problem with my automount (breezy)
[04:57] <thegladiator> robotgeek, its like more options , gnome themes are almost thrice in number in the repo's
[04:57] <thegladiator> cd ? hard disk ?
[04:58] <robotgeek> thegladiator: hmm, okay. it would be nice to have a list to work with :)
[04:58] <Florian-T> since i updated breezy from plaininstall automounting of DVDs does not work anymore
[04:58] <thegladiator> yes i shall gie the list , didnt know you are working on these things
[04:58] <robotgeek> thegladiator: i can package, and looking for stuff to package :)
[04:59] <Florian-T> someone said that this is a known problem
[05:00] <Florian-T> and there should be a fix for this but i don't know how to fix
[05:00] <thegladiator> robotgeek, how long does it take to package ?
[05:00] <robotgeek> Florian-T: i'm looking, one sec
[05:01] <Florian-T> thx
[05:02] <robotgeek> thegladiator: depends on package size and dependencies
[05:02] <thegladiator> lets same something like themes , which would be a 30-40 mb total size
[05:02] <thegladiator> ?
[05:03] <thegladiator> say*
[05:03] <robotgeek> Florian-T: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-91093.html
[05:03] <thegladiator> robotgeek, i am not very sure , but there is something called dekorator
[05:03] <robotgeek> thegladiator: the size of themes is mostly due to the images, i guess
[05:03] <thegladiator> what about dekorator being added to packages ?
[05:03] <thegladiator> yes
[05:04] <robotgeek> so, no big deal there
[05:04] <thegladiator> i see
[05:04] <robotgeek> thegladiator: link on kde-look.org ?
[05:04] <thegladiator> i will give you on sec
[05:05] <thegladiator> http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=21
[05:05] <thegladiator> dekorator is a sub section under window decorations
[05:05] <callie> sorted it, it was a case error, had a capital letter on a filename in there ;)
[05:06] <thegladiator> I think it is pretty cool . but it cannot be installed on native window manager
[05:06] <Florian-T> so i have to wait until the bug is fixed
[05:06] <Foodcoman> morning
[05:07] <thegladiator> tell me what do you feel about it robotgeek
[05:07] <Florian-T> thank you anyway :)
[05:07] <robotgeek> thegladiator: okay, i can build one later, or get someone to build it, i guess
[05:08] <robotgeek> Florian-T: yes, but there is s workaround right :)
[05:08] <thegladiator> thats great . good . hope it comes up fast
[05:08] <Florian-T> yes, i see i will try that
[05:10] <robotgeek> thegladiator: i shouldn't be too difficult to build, i guess
[05:10] <robotgeek> *it*
[05:11] <thegladiator> good
[05:11] <sorush20> I need to get libsyssf2 but its not in my repositories
[05:11] <thegladiator> robotgeek, my suggestion like package top 5-10 top rated themes
[05:12] <robotgeek> thegladiator: that list is dynamic, and kubuntu has a 6 month release cycle, so that might be an issue :)
[05:12] <robotgeek> that's just my guess, i dunno why such a thing isn't there
[05:12] <thegladiator> ah  yes :(
[05:14] <robotgeek> thegladiator: later then
[05:14] <thegladiator> later
[05:15] <thegladiator> i need the sound in my systems but not the sound when I maximize or minimize windows , how can I remove these ?
[05:15] <thegladiator> i tried system-settings ----> sound  but I cant figure out this one
[05:15] <thegladiator> can someone help ?
[05:19] <bettong_BOFH> i can't find an app in kubuntu that will bind keys to the media player or volume or browser...any ideas guy's?
[05:20] <DocTomoe> bettong_BOFH: khotkeys?
[05:21] <bettong_BOFH> hmm does it come with ubuntu?
[05:21] <bettong_BOFH> kubuntu
[05:21] <bettong_BOFH> >.M<
[05:21] <bettong_BOFH> >.<
[05:22] <DocTomoe> bettong_BOFH: it should. you might have to install it, however
[05:23] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[05:23] <bettong_BOFH> yea i did the apt-get kubuntu thing
[05:23] <bettong_BOFH> haven't used it in a year very big diffrence
[05:24] <pparker> hi
[05:24] <thegladiator> does nyone know how to change the coloour of the inactive windows in the taskbar in the panel ?
[05:24] <ProtectYaNeck> why would one use kubuntu over debian?
[05:24] <thegladiator> kubuntu is based on debian
[05:24] <ProtectYaNeck> right
[05:24] <DocTomoe> ProtectYaNeck: Kubuntu is released in a regular manner?
[05:24] <pparker> i search how to embed konsole in konqueror on 5.10 ?
[05:25] <ProtectYaNeck> DocTomoe, it that the only reason?
[05:25] <DocTomoe> ProtectYaNeck: not necisarrily. but it is *my* reason.
[05:25] <ProtectYaNeck> ah
[05:26] <bettong_BOFH> odd it's not in my repos
[05:26] <trappist> pparker: didn't know you could do that.  sounds pretty cool.
[05:26] <DocTomoe> ProtectYaNeck: I experienced less problems getting non-techie people to use kubuntu than debian. maybe because it is more desktop-centered. might be my imagination, however
[05:26] <ProtectYaNeck> DocTomoe, did you previously use Debian?
[05:26] <DocTomoe> Jupp. still using it on my servers.
[05:27] <thegladiator> necisarrily is a good type example :)
[05:27] <sorush20> are there any kde extra repositories?
[05:27] <thegladiator> typo* argh
[05:27] <thegladiator> !
[05:27] <ubotu> No idea, thegladiator
[05:27] <callie> ok trappist got it working nearly, my only problem is that it seems that the way i've written this so far means that its waiting for one program to exit before it runs the next one, any ideas?
[05:27] <thegladiator> neednt have idea ubotu
[05:28] <DocTomoe> sorush20: Yupp ... Do you know about the Penguin Liberation Front?
[05:29] <sorush20> DocTomoe: I think I've heard of them should I check them out?
[05:30] <trappist> callie: yeah it'll do that.  to avoid it, call a program like this: ./file &
[05:30] <bettong_BOFH> hmm why can i not get khotkeys? it's not in any of my repo's
[05:30] <thegladiator> does anyone like the e17 color chemem ?
[05:30] <thegladiator> scheme*
[05:30] <DocTomoe> sorush20: they have a set of packages that cannot make it into official kubuntu because of licence issues. for example, thy have a ubuntu sun JDK package.
[05:30] <DocTomoe> sorush20: or libdvdcss
[05:31] <DocTomoe> sorush20: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[05:32] <sorush20> DocTomoe: I have sold a computer but I keep getting the dvd playback freeze .. which is very bad .. the computer is on kde 3.4 could that be a problem?
[05:32] <sorush20> libdvdcss
[05:33] <bettong_BOFH> hmm i can someone tell me how to get khotkeys?
[05:33] <DocTomoe> sorush20: I really do not have any experience with dvd debugging under linux. I am using my home dvd player ... youll need libdvdcss if you have encrypted dvds, however
[05:33] <bettong_BOFH> it's not in any of my repos
[05:35] <bettong_BOFH> anyone know?
[05:35] <callie> trappist: so '&&' means wait for it finish before moving on ?
[05:35] <thegladiator> i ahve a slight problem
[05:36] <thegladiator> i installed kde 3.5 yesterday
[05:36] <thegladiator> it seems there is no extract here otion when I right click on a tar ball file , how can I fix this ?
[05:36] <ProtectYaNeck> what's the difference between the kubuntu install cd and dvd?
[05:37] <sorush20> I get dvd playback crash and every other video playback crash i don't know how to debug//
[05:37] <thegladiator> no big difference ProtectYaNeck
[05:37] <ProtectYaNeck> why the huge iso file size difference?
[05:37] <bettong_BOFH> so anyone know the answer to my question?
[05:37] <thegladiator> sorush20, even I get few crases when I run from cd
[05:38] <thegladiator> can someone tell me how to add this extract here option
[05:38] <thegladiator> it i very convenient
[05:39] <bettong_BOFH> so anyone know?
[05:40] <trappist> callie: && means only continue if the previous command executed *successfully*. & means send the previous command into the background and move on.
[05:41] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's part of kdebase-bin
[05:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do i find it if i have it
[05:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <berkes> hello. I tried before, but so far no luck.
[05:42] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: and for future reference it makes things difficult on people trying to help when you change nicks after asking a question
[05:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know sorry
[05:42] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: dpkg -L kdebase-bin
[05:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm not used to being in here lol
[05:42] <thegladiator> how can I add "extract here"option when I right click on a tar ball or some zip file  ? also to make it a tar ball ?
[05:42] <berkes> I have wifi on my laptop, and travel a lot. Untill now, kubuntu fails to help me with managing thseses connections properly.
[05:42] <thegladiator> what am I missing ?
[05:42] <thegladiator> please someone
[05:43] <berkes> I do everything on the CLI, but was wondering if tehre is a real manager available, that 1) lets me manage stuff w/o root access and 2) can actually /manage/ it all.
[05:43] <berkes> thegladiator: the package 3ark3 should be installed.
[05:43] <trappist> berkes: you can't manage network devices without root access
[05:43] <thegladiator> thank you . let me try that
[05:44] <berkes> trappist: bummer.
[05:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok and now where do i find that app?
[05:44] <berkes> and there is no wrapper/setting to allow that. Its silly that one cannot change wifi connections W/o root.
[05:44] <trappist> berkes: you wouldn't want any old user to be doing things like shutting down your network
[05:44] <berkes> trappist: no sure
[05:45] <berkes> but I want to have an *usable* way of managing my connections.
[05:45] <trappist> berkes: it's not silly, but it could be worked around.  you could add the setuid bit to the utility that manages the connections
[05:45] <thegladiator> berkes, did you say 3ark3 ?
[05:45] <thegladiator> i dont find it in adept
[05:45] <berkes> "ark"
[05:45] <thegladiator> ark is installed
[05:45] <thegladiator> in this system
[05:46] <berkes> trappist: do you ever travel using wifi?
[05:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok how do i get to khotkeys?
[05:46] <trappist> berkes: yes
[05:46] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: sudo apt-get install kdebase-bin
[05:46] <berkes> yhen certainly you must have found the linux way silly.
[05:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought i did that already lol
[05:47] <trappist> berkes: occasionally inconvenient, but security is often inconvenient.
[05:47] <berkes> trappist: esp if you have seen the ease of use on OSX or Windows :)
[05:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it says it's already installed
[05:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kdebase-bin is already the newest version
[05:47] <trappist> berkes: windows doesn't let non-admins mess with network devices either.  it's just that you're always the admin, which is... silly.
[05:48] <berkes> trappist: i know networking must be secured But Joe Sch,oe does not care. He just wants to be able to switch to AnyOlEssid when he sits at the train station
[05:48] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: does the file /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_khotkeys.so exist?
[05:49] <thegladiator> ny one using kde 3.5 ?
[05:49] <trappist> berkes: joe shmoe doesn't care about security.  I'm glad, though, that linux doesn't let joe schmoe screw things up so bad that I have to suffer when his pwn3d box starts sucking up my bandwidth or sending me spam
[05:50] <berkes> trappist: you do not *want* to understand me, is it?
[05:50] <trappist> berkes: security is a tradeoff, usually for convenience or usability, and this is one (of many) cases where I think it's a damn good tradeoff.
[05:50] <berkes> kde can a) scan from any user b) see all the wifi results c) list all the available hubs. But it cannot *connect* to a predefined preconfigured network.
[05:51] <thegladiator> any KDE 3.5 users  in #kubuntu ?
[05:51] <thegladiator> :d
[05:51] <trappist> berkes: sure, mortal users can read from devices (like scanners or network devices).  not much danger in that.  but mortal users should not be able to control hardware like that.
[05:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> trappist: yes it does
[05:52] <berkes> I do not mnid if  have to be SU to configure all the networks, I am not saying that. But once done, I want to be able to connect 5as in: change the essid and do a dhclient update) with a single click
[05:52] <trappist> berkes: anyway this is an offtopic philisophical discussion.  it is the way it is, silly or not.
[05:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a reason i am not seeing it in menus and such?
[05:52] <berkes> trappist: i can already do that on startup. So why not while running?
[05:52] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if you want to assign a hotkey to an app, use kmenuedit
[05:52] <thegladiator> i wonder if kde 3.5 has  small bug ? is it missing extract here option when yuou right click on a tar ball ? does someone know about this >?
[05:52] <trappist> berkes: startup scripts are run by root.  they're also owned by root, writable only by root, etc.
[05:53] <berkes> trappist: no, this ois not offtopic :) If you read my initial question=)
[05:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so this will let me bind keys to the volume and such?
[05:53] <trappist> berkes: the silliness or correctness of the behavior is offtopic
[05:53] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: oh with that you might have to tap into dcop
[05:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o what the hells that?
[05:54] <berkes> trappist: hey, you are the one debating that =) I just try to explain my question
[05:54] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: some low level kde thing that I don't know much about :)  I did it once but I don't recall how
[05:54] <karlwrk> trappist: if you go to kmix there's not shortcuts configurable for the actual volume
[05:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shitty >.<
[05:54] <trappist> berkes: the answer is that you can't do it without superuser rights
[05:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was hopeing for an easy fix on this
[05:54] <karlwrk> so how do you assign a key to volume up/down
[05:54] <trappist> karlwrk: ah yeah, I do recall kmix being involved
[05:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what i want to know
[05:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:55] <karlwrk> but on gnome desktop it was really easy :)
[05:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it was
[05:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i had it done in like 4 minutes
[05:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:55] <karlwrk> kde has konq, which is better than nautilus, but some things are being rather obtuse :(
[05:55] <thegladiator> karlwrk, add it to the panel ?
[05:55] <berkes> case: I sit at a) home b) the trainstation c) work with my laptop every day. Then I want to *preconfigure* the network settings for any of these (and that can be ruut, superuse ror even God, i do not care)
[05:55] <berkes> but what I do not wat (for security reasons amongst others)
[05:55] <karlwrk> it's on the panel? I think?
[05:56] <karlwrk> I have a speaker icon down by the clock?
[05:56] <berkes> is to have to sudo when I arrive in the trainstation, only to connect to that network!
[05:56] <trappist> karlwrk: yeah once it's there go to the configure kmix window, then settings -> configure shortcuts
[05:56] <thegladiator> karlwrk, try right click somewhere on panel and choose add applet
[05:56] <trappist> just run 'kmix' and it'll appear there
[05:57] <berkes> let alone, if I borrow my laptop to a collegue, I want him to Just Connect [tm]  to the network I already configured. Without having to give him my root PW
[05:57] <thegladiator> berkes, lend*
[05:57] <trappist> berkes: if it's already configured, it should connect automatically
[05:57] <karlwrk> trappist: yes, but there's no shortcuts for the actual volume :)
[05:57] <karlwrk> I've tried that
[05:57] <trappist> oh :)
[05:57] <thegladiator> berkes, didnt you mean lend* ?
[05:57] <berkes> okay, finally you understood my question :)
[05:58] <berkes> thegladiator: yes. whatever
[05:58] <thegladiator> he he , just corrcting myself actually
[05:58] <blaxx> i have a problem with kaffeine. i want watching DVB-S and the driver is loaded  dmesg | grep bttv    but kaffeine says no DVB device can you help me?
[05:58] <trappist> karlwrk: I think this is where it came down to dcop bindings
[05:58] <berkes> so, then, is there a way in kubuntu to manage all these network conncetions?
[05:59] <thegladiator> :D
[05:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[05:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> windows sucks
[05:59] <berkes> raised hand :)
[05:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i will never use it again >.<
[05:59] <thegladiator> he he
[05:59] <berkes> not that i use it, but it certainly has a lot of good things.
[05:59] <karlwrk> windows from 2k onwards has been excellent at many many things
[06:00] <karlwrk> just not at being a useful shell
[06:00] <trappist> dcop kmix Mixer0 setMute 0 <-- might get you started
[06:00] <thegladiator> agree :)
[06:00] <trappist> dcop kmix Mixer0 setMasterVolume 50 <-- where 50 is a percentage
[06:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow isent that some shit it dosen't even see the extra keys O_o
[06:02] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: might have to use xev and xmodmap for that
[06:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok and how do i do those things?
[06:02] <Prozac> where is the openssl files located?
[06:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and why do they not work right off the bat like in ubuntu
[06:03] <karlwrk> trappist: probably xaddkeys
[06:03] <karlwrk> or maybe that too :)
[06:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't understand it lol
[06:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it should work right nice like in gnome
[06:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[06:03] <karlwrk> if you get messages in /var/log/messages about unknown keys it tells you what to do
[06:04] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: file a bug report :)
[06:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i could but i don't want to burden them anymore lol
[06:05] <karlwrk> and this worked in gnome in hoary, is it really this complicated in 5.10 still?
[06:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea must be
[06:05] <karlwrk> or is learning all about dcop just the joy of kde?
[06:05] <berkes> allright, i think I am closing in on the problem: i now have three places where to configure my nework: settings:/ Network/NetworkSettings and Networkpreferences tab: interfaces and tab:Profiles
[06:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> users shoulden't have to do that it should just run the keyboard like in gnome
[06:05] <berkes> hmm, sorry; the first one is Wireless settings, rather
[06:06] <berkes> in wich of the three should I configure my wifi settings for different locations so that they "load automatically"?
[06:10] <berkes> hmm. now that I am playing with it: the wireless settings in kconfig don't work at all :/
[06:16] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: hah! found it
[06:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> trappist:  where?
[06:17] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: in kmix, right-click the master volume slider and select configure global shortcuts
[06:18] <karlwrk> hooray!
[06:18] <karlwrk> man, you made me find out about dcop, which is cool
[06:18] <`Nomad> why thank you
[06:18] <`Nomad> I never felt so welcomed LOL
[06:18] <trappist> heh
[06:18] <karlwrk> til hamingju nomad :)
[06:19] <karlwrk> but wow, that was not where I expected it would be
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> trappist: so where is it?
[06:19] <trappist> ChurcH_of_FoamY: huh?
[06:19] <karlwrk> you'd think that settings->configure shortcuts would also include it, but no :(
[06:19] <karlwrk> also, as a bigger problem, gnome automagically recognized those media keys on teh keyboard, but kde isn't
[06:19] <`Nomad> I have an easy question/problem.  Time shown in my toolbar is right, I use NTP, but somewhere it's set to UTC, time in my emails is all wrong.  Where do I change that?  Can't find it so far.. I have my timezone selected properly
[06:20] <trappist> pretty popular item to be so obscured
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope it dosen't seem to work it dosen't see the keys
[06:20] <berkes> Did anyone actualy get the kcontrol / network / wireless network stuff to work?
[06:20] <trappist> berkes: I use kwifimanager
[06:21] <berkes> trappist: but that manages nothing, here. it only *shows*
[06:21] <`Nomad> !utc
[06:21] <ubotu> `Nomad: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:22] <berkes> trappist: or must i run kwifimanager as root o_O
[06:22] <trappist> berkes: you'll get asked for your sudo password when you go to configure it, but no.  and it doesn't bring interfaces up or down.  I just use ifconfig/dhclient for that.
[06:23] <berkes> trappist: yea, but that is /exatly/ kcontrol / network / wireless
[06:23] <gangan963> I have a problem: I cant reach the internet with Konquerer since I make a apt-get update/dist-upgrate  message: cannt load "kio_http"  ..can somebody help me???
[06:23] <berkes> which does nothing, nill, zero here :)
[06:25] <berkes> trappist: so, in the end the answer to my question seems to be: "no, KDE has no working config interfaces / apps to manage your wifi networks"
[06:28] <karlwrk> how does one configure a touchpad in kde?  the mouse applet in the settings area only seems to have pointer like stuff
[06:28] <karlwrk> but I want to turn down the click sensitivity of the pad
[06:29] <larsivi> karlwrk: I think that is X stuff, so there might not be a KDE module to set it
[06:31] <karlwrk> church: here's a backwards problem http://www.kde-forum.org/post/44252/lastpost.html#post44252
[06:31] <karlwrk> hehe, they got the volume keys automatically, and don't want them :)
[06:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> karkwrk looking
[06:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm followed the advice and still nothing it's almost as if kubuntu dosen't see the extra keys
[06:38] <`Nomad> !time
[06:38] <ubotu> `Nomad: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:38] <`Nomad> !date
[06:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, `Nomad
[06:38] <karlwrk> where is kmilo configured?
[06:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gahhh kubuntu still has way to many bugs for my likeing lol
[06:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> either there bugs or i just don't know enough about kde yet
[06:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh and i tured the onscreen notify on in Konverstation but it's in the wrong place is there a way to move it?
[06:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like how it auto changes my desktop wallpaper every 30min though ^^ thats pritty sweet
[06:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have like 2 gigs of wallpaper lol
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whoa a girl useing linux sweet ^^
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <not meant to be sexist or disrespectfull?>
[06:43] <`Nomad> where?
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sara
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> she just left lol
[06:43] <`Nomad> Looks like a wrong number  :)
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't even see them
[06:43] <dark_suic> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i know about some more girls using linux ;)
[06:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:44] <`Nomad> ahh shoot.. time problem fixed, it didn't change until a new session.. sigh..
[06:44] <`Nomad> Astalavista people, have a great day!
[06:45] <difeta> how can i make it hosts + runs automatically on startup?
[06:48] <Tm_T> difeta: hosts?
[06:50] <difeta> Tim_T sorry, xhosts +
[06:51] <karlwrk> (ksynaptic is the kde touchpad thihngy, at least for syanptics touchapds)
[07:00] <daniel08154711> hi!
[07:00] <daniel08154711> i have a problem using kaffeine and dvb-t
[07:01] <daniel08154711> when i start kaffeine from the konsole it says: "DVB 0 : No such file or directory"
[07:01] <karlwrk> ChurcH_of_FoamY: heyu, I just got my colume keys working
[07:01] <karlwrk> no need to fiddle with the dcop stuff or anything
[07:01] <daniel08154711> and i cant use the dvb icon
[07:01] <karlwrk> just that for some reason there was no ksym being generated
[07:02] <karlwrk> ignore everything else in the post
[07:02] <karlwrk> and do step 3 here http://www.kde-forum.org/post/54652/lastpost.html#post54652
[07:02] <karlwrk> (I just put them in a file called ~/.xmodmaprc
[07:02] <trappist> karlwrk: I'm pretty sure you just volunteered to make a wiki page :)
[07:03] <karlwrk> if you hare familiar with the wiki layout and can nominate a page, I'll fill it in
[07:04] <trappist> do you have a launchpad account?
[07:05] <trappist> (you won't be able to edit without it)
[07:05] <karlwrk> I have defeintely had one in the past
[07:05] <karlwrk> I'mnot sure if I signed up again when they broke the wiki and rebuilt it
[07:05] <karlwrk> bah humbug
[07:05] <trappist> if so, just go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuVolumeHotkeys and click Create new empty page
[07:05] <karlwrk> make oldconfig made me a busted kernel
[07:05] <karlwrk> how helpful
[07:12] <dipnlik> hi all. are there other imap mail console clients other than mutt?
[07:12] <trappist> there shouldn't be ;)
[07:13] <sorush20> guys I keep getting the message that I need toinstall kdelibs4 but it is not present in the repositories for me to install any help please?
[07:13] <dipnlik> trappist: oh yes, there SHOULD be. there are people who actually happen to don't like mutt
[07:14] <trappist> dipnlik: there's pine and another one very much like pine whose name I can't recall
[07:14] <dipnlik> trappist: elm / elmo ?
[07:14] <trappist> yeah elm
[07:15] <dipnlik> trappist: have you ever used pine or elmo for imap?
[07:15] <trappist> no, I find mutt to be as great as a console mail client can be (for my purposes)
[07:15] <karlwrk> pine works, as long as you have the right imap server
[07:16] <karlwrk> it gets a bit finicky with some of them
[07:16] <karlwrk> though that's probably because imap can be a little unclean on exactly how you're meant to do folders
[07:16] <trappist> mutt works great here with my imap server, gmail, exchange...
[07:16] <karlwrk> but mutt's _weird_
[07:16] <dipnlik> karlwrk: agreed
[07:16] <skbera> Can anyone tell me how can I locate and remove the modem lock file.
[07:16] <karlwrk> if you started with pine, mutt will always feel wierd :)
[07:16] <trappist> skbera: try sudo lsof /dev/ppp0
[07:17] <karlwrk> but pine is nonfree nyahh nyahh shutupidontcare!
[07:19] <skbera> My problem is when I connect to internet using my dial up connection, sometimes i gets disconnected automatically and I have to restart my kubuntu system to reconnect. Is there a way to reconnect without restarting?
[07:20] <theine> skbera, what kind of internet connection do you use?
[07:21] <skbera> I use simple dial-up connection with a 56 kbps modem connected at usb0 (/dev/ttyACM0)
[07:22] <theine> I never used dial-up under Linux but I guess you can use the commands "pon" and "poff" for that purpose
[07:22] <theine> skbera, I suggest you ask in #ubuntu as this is not specific to KDE
[07:22] <sas171> hi, how to extract an ace archive?
[07:23] <skbera> I use the command, "pppd /dev/ttyACM0 115200 debug usepeerdns defaultroute noauth connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v "" at+crm=1 OK "atdt#777" CONNECT' mtu 264" to connect to internet.
[07:25] <theine> skbera, that seems awfully complex
[07:25] <theine> skbera, I bet there is a wrapper script that is supposed to automate this
[07:30] <sharket> loo
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey anyone know anything about konversation?
[07:30] <sas171> ChurcH_of_FoamY: lol
[07:31] <LaserJock> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just checking it out now as a matter of fact
[07:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cool
[07:31] <sas171> hey, how to unpack an ace with password?
[07:32] <LaserJock> I really like that you can start a konsole tab in konversation
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really?
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't know that
[07:32] <LaserJock> it's in the Window menu
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was trying to adjust the on screen display and place it in the right place
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it's being stupid
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and won't move
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now i have to find out how to bind the media keys to volume + - and mute
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as for some reason kubuntu dosen't see the extra keys
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[07:35] <MrJangles> what kind up notebook?
[07:36] <_DOddo> hi! I have a problem mounting a local hard disk partition!
[07:39] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: what problem?
[07:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can someone help me with a keyboard isshue?
[07:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's driveing me nuts
[07:40] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: It just won't mount. Ive formatted it and edited fstab but it still wont work
[07:40] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: it says that there's no such drive
[07:40] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: that does dmesg say?
[07:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want kubuntu to recognise my keyboards "media" keys like ubuntu did
[07:42] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: i think i now the problem now, the system used that drive as swap
[07:43] <DocTomoe> If it works, ok, if not, I need your dmesg reply
[07:43] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: if it doesn't ill make sure you get it =)
[07:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> DocTomoe: do you know anything about keyboards?
[07:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like how to bind keys and get kubuntu to even see the extra keys?
[07:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they worked in ubuntu but for some reason kubuntu dosen't like them or something
[07:44] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: just one more question; does it matter if the partition is logical or primary?
[07:44] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what you want is an X Server Problem. Try googleing for "x media keyboard configuration"
[07:45] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: Nope, shouldnt matter, as long as it is formatted correctly.
[07:46] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: okay
[07:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow there is alot of info but i can't tell what is pertant to me
[07:47] <mazer> hi there
[07:47] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: Does editing the partition table using cfdisk format the disk when creating a new partition?
[07:47] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: no. it just creates a partition, it does not format it with a filesystem
[07:48] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Try http://www.kde-forum.org/lastpost/13636/Configuration-of-Multimedia-Key.html
[07:48] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: that guy has the exactly same problem as you :)
[07:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh and DocTomoe do you know how to reposition the on screen display in Konversation?
[07:48] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: Then thats why i cant mount it. how should i format the drive ?
[07:48] <karlwrk> church: don't change the topic. fix y our volume keys first :)
[07:48] <mazer> does anyone know how to manually save the kde session?
[07:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oddly enough this is not a microsoft keyboard it's a labtec
[07:49] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: try mke3fs /dev/hdX, where X is the partition
[07:49] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I do not understand your last question
[07:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok that link is for a microsoft keyboard i have a labtec wireless one does that make a diffrence?
[07:51] <_DOddo> DocTomoe:  mke3fs: command not found
[07:51] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: No, the procedure is identical
[07:51] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: Do you work as root?
[07:51] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: try mke2fs then ... failure on my part.
[07:51] <karlwrk> church: it's irrelevant
[07:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really? wow
[07:52] <karlwrk> that's the procedure I just used for my laptop keyboard
[07:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought it would be diffrent lol
[07:52] <karlwrk> http://www.kde-forum.org/post/54652/lastpost.html#post54652
[07:52] <karlwrk> that's a nicer url I think
[07:52] <karlwrk> just skip to step3
[07:53] <DocTomoe> karlwrk ChurcH_of_FoamY however, this might not work on some laptop models. my acer extensa, for instance, wont work with that
[07:53] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: The drive does not exist it says
[07:53] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: missed a letter =)
[07:53] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: Then the failure is made during partitioning. did you write the new partition table to disk?
[07:54] <karlwrk> DocTomoe: do you not see they keys at all with xev?
[07:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where is "system administration"?
[07:57] <DocTomoe> karlwrk: it shows up, but acer seems to send up to three dandom keycodes for this key. well, i didnt really need that key anyways, so its ok for me
[07:58] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: pardon?
[07:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> karlwrk: i'm not useing a laptop i am useing a desktop
[07:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it does not give me the option for ibm thinkpad
[07:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so thats why i don't think it will work lol
[08:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all of those helpfull things assumes that your useing a laptop what about a desktop?
[08:01] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: doesnt matter most of the time
[08:01] <karlwrk> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, just pay attention to step 3
[08:01] <karlwrk> ignore all the rest of it
[08:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> DocTomoe: it won't let me select any ibm options
[08:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[08:01] <karlwrk> run xev
[08:01] <karlwrk> and see if you actually get events from the keys you want
[08:01] <karlwrk> if you get actual events,
[08:02] <karlwrk> you need to grab the keycode number, and put it into a file like the section that says "multimedia buttons on dell inspiron 9300"
[08:02] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: and, did it work?
[08:02] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: well ive formatted it, but i still cant get it to work
[08:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok so i have to find the key codes O_o how the heck do i do that lol
[08:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow this is harder than i thought lol
[08:03] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: did you create a filesystem on that partition?
[08:03] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: xev
[08:03] <karlwrk> when you run xev, you get a little window pop up right?
[08:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[08:03] <karlwrk> ok, now press some keys
[08:03] <DocTomoe> ok. now press a key.
[08:03] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: i just typed in the sudo mke2fs /dev/hda6
[08:03] <karlwrk> and see all that spam flying past
[08:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> none of the detect6
[08:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> detect i mean lol
[08:04] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: try sudo mount /dev/hda6 /media/SOMEDIR (where somedir is a directory that exists and is empty
[08:04] <karlwrk> but you said they did with gnome?'
[08:04] <karlwrk> because if they don't detect there, it's nothing to do with kde or gnome
[08:04] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: should i delete the line ive written in fstab before i do that?
[08:05] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: not necessary, but "just in case"
[08:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so you have to open it in term i see
[08:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now what do i do with the info?
[08:06] <karlwrk> ok, good :)
[08:06] <karlwrk> now see in step 3, where it says put that information in a file?
[08:06] <karlwrk> that's what you do.
[08:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[08:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it says something like this
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's totaly diffrent than what they show in that step 3 thing
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> KeyRelease event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x3800001,
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>     root 0x9e, subw 0x0, time 12757170, (76,-15), root:(80,681),
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>     state 0x10, keycode 236 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have no idea what in that i need
[08:07] <karlwrk> "keycode"
[08:07] <karlwrk> just like it says in step3
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i will do that
[08:08] <karlwrk> so if that is your volume up key, put "keycode 236 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume" in a file
[08:08] <karlwrk> one on each line, as appropriate for your keyboard
[08:08] <karlwrk> and when you're done, or if you just want to test that one
[08:08] <karlwrk> do xmodmap filename
[08:09] <karlwrk> and y ou should be able to use that button
[08:09] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: i did that. I got no error message, but it does not seem to be mounted, it is not listed in fstab, and i cant see it in konqueror media:/
[08:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i will start mucking in there now lol
[08:10] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: it wont be listed in fstab just because youve mounted it.
[08:10] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: try changing into that directory and touching a file
[08:11] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: aaa i see =) I think it worked but how i have a lost+found file listed there
[08:11] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: not a bug, but an essential feature
[08:12] <DocTomoe> next step: add to your fstab. the best is copying an existing, working line for a harddrive partition and adapting the /dev/hda and the /media/something string
[08:12] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: 'kay
[08:14] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: done
[08:14] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: when you are ready, umount the drive and try "mount /dev/hda6" where hda6 is your partition number
[08:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok now i have to log out and then back in to use this yes?
[08:15] <DocTomoe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: right
[08:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok brb
[08:16] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: do you read me? Does it work?
[08:17] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6
[08:17] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: please post your correspronding fstab line
[08:18] <karlwrk> (you actually didn't need to log out to do that)
[08:18] <karlwrk> so you have a file with keycode blah = wop lines now right?
[08:18] <karlwrk> just in some file somewhere?
[08:18] <DocTomoe> karlwrk: according to my users list, he still is offline
[08:19] <bettong_BOFH> wow still dosen't work >.<
[08:19] <_DOddo> DocTomoe:  /dev/hda6       /media/fancy    ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[08:19] <karlwrk> (no, but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is back ;)
[08:19] <bettong_BOFH> and it seems i had to create the file and that it diden't exist before hand
[08:19] <karlwrk> yeah, it didn't exist
[08:19] <karlwrk> but you have the file right?
[08:20] <karlwrk> (those instructions don't actually make it automatically start, at least not on kubuntu)
[08:20] <bettong_BOFH> yea the keycodes where the same so i just copyd and pasted it into the new file
[08:20] <karlwrk> if you have the file do "xmodmap filename"
[08:20] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: you used mke2fs, so it should say ext2, not ext3
[08:20] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: IC now i tried that, and i got no error message!!!
[08:20] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: change this, and try again to mount /dev/hda6
[08:21] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: OK. now go to kde
[08:21] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: Thanks !! it really works now!
[08:21] <bettong_BOFH>  unable to open file 'xmodmap' for reading
[08:21] <bettong_BOFH> xmodmap:  1 error encountered, aborting.
[08:21] <bettong_BOFH> >.<
[08:21] <karlwrk> can you paste your file in somewhere please?
[08:21] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: glad to have been helping.
[08:21] <karlwrk> pastebin or similar?
[08:21] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: it says that the drive is mounted and i see the files i put there before!
[08:21] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: I owe you one =)
[08:22] <DocTomoe> _DOddo: drive will mount automagically on boot. And now Im off to dinner, of my wife will rip my head off ;)
[08:22] <_DOddo> DocTomoe: thenks for all the help have a nice dinner!
[08:23] <bettong_BOFH> ok will do
[08:23] <karlwrk> or try running in verbose mode and see what you've done wrong yourself :)
[08:23] <karlwrk> unable to open file xmodmap?
[08:23] <karlwrk> hangon, where did you put this file?
[08:24] <bettong_BOFH> http://pastebin.com/498143
[08:24] <bettong_BOFH>  /etc/X11/Xmodmap <----= thats where it is
[08:24] <karlwrk> take out the [...]  lines
[08:24] <bettong_BOFH> ok
[08:24] <karlwrk> those were indicating that you might have other stuff in that file
[08:25] <karlwrk> (If you follow the complete directions in that post, which I don't recommend, you'd have a huge file there)
[08:25] <bettong_BOFH> right
[08:26] <Wolf359_2> hello
[08:26] <Wolf359_2> is therea way to install edubuntu aplications on my kubuntu?
[08:28] <bettong_BOFH> ok i removed the [....]  from there now save and run the command?
[08:28] <karlwrk> yep
[08:28] <bettong_BOFH> xmodmap:  unable to open file 'xmodmap' for reading
[08:28] <bettong_BOFH> xmodmap:  1 error encountered, aborting.
[08:28] <bettong_BOFH> same error
[08:28] <bettong_BOFH> >.<
[08:28] <karlwrk> what are you typing exactly?
[08:29] <karlwrk> unable to open file xmodmap?
[08:29] <karlwrk> it says it can't read a file called xmodmap?
[08:29] <bettong_BOFH> xmodmap xmodmap
[08:29] <bettong_BOFH> and it says that it cannot open that file for some reason