[12:10] <soebbi> nikkia: <- That was the name :)
[12:13] <nikkia> soebbi: i told you, the location of the JRE's files has a 'lib' dir, if you put .jar files in there they are automatically found
[12:13] <nikkia> soebbi: on kubuntu, i believe that dir is something like /usr/lib/jre1.5_sun/lib
[12:16] <soebbi> nikkia: I tried that, i downloaded the official sun jre an installed it under /opt/jre1.5 and copied the hsqldb.jar file in the lib-dir
[12:16] <soebbi> nikkia: OO2-base works now, but says it can't find the hsqldb-driver
[12:17] <nikkia> hmmm, OO2 might be doing something odd to the classpath
[12:17] <soebbi> do i need to register it somehow?
[12:18] <nikkia> no
[12:19] <soebbi> "the specified driver could not be loaded" - thats the error message
[12:20] <nikkia> OO2 should include its own hsqldb.jar anyway
[12:21] <nikkia> like this:
[12:21] <nikkia> -r--r--r--  1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-15 10:50 openoffice.org1.9.118/program/classes/hsqldb.jar.1.1
[12:24] <soebbi> find / -name "hsqldb.jar*" says it can't find anything
[12:24] <nikkia> soebbi: where did you install OO2 from ?
[12:24] <soebbi> apt
[12:25] <nikkia> hmmm, the one in the repository is very old
[12:25] <soebbi> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <soebbi> Says help
[12:26] <nikkia> yeah, 6 months old, ok, not 'very' compared to other ubuntu packages, but still
[12:27] <bobbyd> how do I get a 'Home' icon on my desktop?
[12:27] <nikkia> when you're talking beta software, 6 months is an eternity :)
[12:27] <soebbi> *gg*
[12:27] <insanekane> soebbi: should probably install the same place as nikkia has it ... openoffice.org1.9.118/program/classes/hsqldb.jar.1.1
[12:27] <nikkia> insanekane: i wouldn't recommend it
[12:27] <insanekane> nikkia: oh ?
[12:28] <nikkia> insanekane: there is probably a reason why its not included with that particular version
[12:28] <nikkia> like, it probably doesn't work in the least :P
[12:28] <soebbi> Is there a way to upgrade smoothly to breezy? That would help, maybe :)
[12:28] <bobbyd> and what's a decent panel applte to show bandwith usage in real time?
[12:28] <insanekane> nikkia: not particularly ... it just isnt included :P
[12:28] <nikkia> insanekane: the db stuff in OO2 is fairly new
[12:29] <nikkia> insanekane: i really wouldn't be surprised if it is completely broken in a build from febuary
[12:29] <insanekane> nikkia: for e.g., i believe, in 116, there is a seperate package for Base
[12:29] <insanekane> nikkia: thats probably true :)
[12:29] <insanekane> in any case, there is no harm in trying, is there ?
[12:30] <nikkia> insanekane: *shrug*
[12:30] <nikkia> insanekane: it also means tracking down hsqldb 1.1
[12:30] <insanekane> soebbi: so why dont you try it ?
[12:30] <nikkia> the current release on their site is 1.8
[12:30] <insanekane> nikkia: yeah probably :)
[12:31] <insanekane> nikkia: in free software/open source, as always, each man for himself, or buy service :)
[12:32] <soebbi> insanekane: i can't find the appropriate dir
[12:32] <tdmgy> hey guys, is there anyone here who has installed Wine on a 64bit system?
[12:33] <lscd> nope, haven't bothered
[12:33] <insanekane> soebbi: let me check in 116
[12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: i'm glad he hasn't asked how i got 1.9.118 yet :P
[12:33] <tdmgy> anyone...........?
[12:33] <insanekane> nikkia: hehe :)
[12:33] <soebbi> nikkia: Was that a hint? :)
[12:34] <nikkia> soebbi: not in the least
[12:34] <insanekane> soebbi: /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/classes
[12:35] <soebbi> Damn...has to be too late
[12:35] <sproingie> is there any way to make konquerer's photobook view show thumbnails on the left instead of the right?
[12:35] <insanekane> no luck ?
[12:35] <soebbi> I already was in that dir
[12:35] <insanekane> soebbi: no luck ?
[12:35] <insanekane> soebbi: aha :)
[12:35] <soebbi> But didn't recognize :)
[12:35] <insanekane> hehe
[12:35] <sproingie> gah.  in fact making photobook view not suck would be nice
[12:36] <insanekane> soebbi: perhaps you do need to sleep ... but perhaps, after you check with hsqldb.jar :)
[12:36] <soebbi> "java.lang.NullPointerException"
[12:36] <soebbi> Version mixing = baaaad :)
[12:37] <tdmgy> can anyone here help me out with compiling Wine?
[12:37] <_luca> Good evening... my problem is: I am deaf, so I want to see subs in divx movies, and I don't know how to play them in Kaffeine or any other player... any ideas?
[12:37] <sproingie> unbelievable, photobook view can't even delete files either
[12:38] <scottm> webcam support anyone ?
[12:40] <insanekane> soebbi: hmm .. you didn't use hsqldb 1.1 ?
[12:40] <insanekane> _luca: is it a problem with not having appropriate codecs ?
[12:41] <soebbi> insanekane: i fetched the latest version from it's website...should be 1.8
[12:42] <insanekane> soebbi: probably should use 1.1 as the error dialog said
[12:42] <_luca> insanecane: no, the divx movie plays well. the problem is only that I just don't know how to tell kaffeine "open the subtitle and write it on the screen while the movie is playing"
[12:43] <Hamster> are the apt repositories ever out of whack with each other? I need a file libkexif and googling turns it up on other repositories, but when I search mine, only a really old version is there.
[12:43] <insanekane> _luca: ah well ... i believe you can right click on the movie window, and you should see a menu with subtitling options
[12:43] <_luca> ooops pardon: insaneKane
[12:43] <insanekane> _luca: hehe, no problem :)
[12:44] <_luca> cane in italian=dog, sorry for that :)
[12:44] <insanekane> _luca: it is not often that people call me dog :) usually, the animal most closely associated with me is elephant LOL ;)
[12:46] <_luca> insanekane: at least they don't call you "shrimp" (we italians are shorter so today a canadian even shorter than me dared to call me shrimp)
[12:46] <insanekane> _luca: also, see Settings->Xine Engine Parameters->subtitles ... dont forget to press Expert options ;)
[12:46] <insanekane> _luca: haha :)
[12:46] <soebbi> insanekane: Where did it say 1.1?
[12:47] <insanekane> soebbi: did you get such a dialog when you tried to run Base ?
[12:47] <_luca> oh well kaffeine just crashed
[12:47] <soebbi> insanekane: Nope, just a nullpointer exception
[12:47] <insanekane> _luca: hrrm
[12:47] <insanekane> soebbi: not when u ran with 1.8 .. i mean when you didn't have an hsqldb installed at all :)
[12:49] <insanekane> soebbi: let me save you some trouble ... dunno if it will work, but is worth a shot :)
[12:49] <soebbi> insanekane: I see :) But it than just said that it can't find an appropriate driver
[12:49] <_luca> ah i'll ask another question: when I try to open an *.avi file on a ntfs partition, totem says me that the file can't be opened because it has no writing permission
[12:49] <insanekane> soebbi: oh ... hmm, in that case, i must've misunderstood
[12:50] <soebbi> insanekane: Thank you...gonna try that one
[12:50] <insanekane> _luca: well ... i dont know much about ntfs, other than that it is not really well supported under Linux in general .. so perhaps you can try by copying it to ext3 ?
[12:50] <tdmgy> hey guys, how do I get multilib enabled?
[12:51] <insanekane> _luca: i confirmed,  right click in my kaffeine shows a subtitle submenu
[12:51] <_luca> insanekane: i see it, and 10 channels. what are them? o.O
[12:52] <insanekane> _luca: try one of them ... perhaps one will work ? :)
[12:52] <nikkia> 10 languages, at a guess
[12:52] <nikkia> which is either how many languages there are in the file, or a very poor xine default, as dvd's can have a lot more than 10 subtitle channels :)
[12:52] <insanekane> hehe :)
[12:52] <_luca> but i still can't load the *.sub file o.O
[12:52] <insanekane> hrmm
[12:53] <insanekane> _luca: perhaps you are opening the vob file directly ?
[12:53] <insanekane> soebbi: how goes it ?
[12:54] <soebbi> insanekane: Again a nullpointer exception...oo2 hates me :)
[12:54] <insanekane> nikkia: i have a problem: a corrupted .tar.bz2 file ... i used bzip2recover and im supposed to get several pieces each should be individual parts of the tar ... so how do idecompress them ? tar xvf <piece> doesnt work
[12:54] <_luca> ok let's explain better: i have downloaded the *avi file (movie), and a *sub file (text). with Windows (trying to escape from it) Media Player I found some freeware plugin to put subtitles on the screen just under the movie...
[12:55] <insanekane> soebbi: oh ... so sorry
[12:55] <nikkia> insanekane: no idea
[12:55] <soebbi> Gonna try it again tomorrow
[12:55] <insanekane> _luca: better ask nikkia
[12:55] <soebbi> Thank you, man!
[12:55] <insanekane> np
[12:55] <_luca> *musical voice* Nikkiaaaa
[12:55] <insanekane> LOL
[12:55] <soebbi> Bye!
[12:55] <nikkia> soebbi: as i said, there's a very good chance that the database just doesn't work in that build of OO2
[12:56] <nikkia> *shrug*
[12:56] <insanekane> nikkia: the shrimp calls to you ;)
[12:57] <nikkia> _luca, hold on, i haven't used subtitles in xine before... so let me check
[12:57] <_luca> okie dookie
[12:58] <insanekane> nikkia: uses -sub option
[12:58] <insanekane> nikkia: xine ie
[12:58] <nikkia> _luca: it should 'just work'
[12:58] <nikkia> i just loaded my copy of betty blue, which is admittably .smi subtitles not .sub, and they 'just worked'
[12:59] <nikkia> i don't think i have anything with .sub format subtitles
[12:59] <_luca> Nikkia: how did you load it?
[12:59] <insanekane> _luca: she didnt
[12:59] <nikkia> _luca: the avi? 'xine blah.avi'
[12:59] <_luca> no the sub
[12:59] <nikkia> the subtitles appeared automatically since they're in the same dir
[01:00] <nikkia> _luca, the key might be that the filename must be identical except for the extension
[01:00] <_luca> ok so....... i should write it in the ntfs partition, wow, now i'll have to copy the movie to my ext3 partition, i'm sooooo happy
[01:00] <_luca> i'll try and let you know :)
[01:01] <nikkia> _luca: as i said, that's a .smi subtitle
[01:01] <nikkia> i can't test .sub, and i DO know there are about 50 different subtitle formats using .sub as an extension, so it might be trickier
[01:01] <_luca> yes, one is a subviewer and the other is a subrip.... there are 2 formats
[01:01] <alakhia> speaking of movies ... i had a question about kaffiene
[01:02] <nikkia> _luca, there are *way* more than 2 .sub formats :)
[01:02] <_luca> pardon nikkia *.*
[01:02] <alakhia> my question: how can I rewind or play backwards in kaffiene?
[01:05] <insanekane> _luca: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AVISUBTITLES
[01:05] <_luca> IT WORKS! Geez. I owe you a beer. come in italy and take it... do your holiday here :)
[01:05] <alakhia> anyone?
[01:05] <insanekane> _luca: nikkia left :/
[01:06] <insanekane> _luca: here she is :)
[01:06] <_luca> i see :/
[01:07] <insanekane> _luca: maybe you should offer the beer again :)
[01:07] <_luca> anyway now i have another problem -.-
[01:07] <_luca> IT WORKS! Geez. I owe you a beer. come in italy and take it... do your holiday here :)
[01:07] <alakhia> ok, let me rephrase: which movie player is the fav around here?
[01:07] <insanekane> hehe
[01:08] <insanekane> alakhia: nothing like that ... but kubuntu comes with kaffeine :)
[01:08] <_luca> but before how do I solve this problem: synchronizing the sub with the movie?
[01:08] <insanekane> alakhia: your question is perhaps better answered in the kaffeine channel ?
[01:08] <alakhia> I use kaffeine (sorry about the spelling) ... just can't seem to play backwards
[01:08] <alakhia> insanekane: I hung around there but didn't get anyone to respond
[01:09] <insanekane> alakhia: it seems your question relates to some non-standard use of some software :) ... perhaps you should ask some kaffeine people ? like their mailing list ?
[01:09] <insanekane> alakhia: generally, you should find better help in the mailing list than IRC channels
[01:10] <alakhia> insanekane: I'm not adamant on using any kaffeine ... any movie player that lets me move around freely works
[01:10] <insanekane> alakhia: well, you can also try mplayer
[01:10] <insanekane> alakhia: dunno if it will work the way you want though
[01:11] <alakhia> insanekane: I tried apt-get install mplayer but couldn't ... i'm new to debian
[01:11] <insanekane> alakhia: im curious though, why would you want to run something backwards ?
[01:11] <insanekane> alakhia: let me check if its there
[01:11] <alakhia> insanekane: well, if i miss a dialog, I want to seek backwards so I can hear it again
[01:12] <insanekane> ah right
[01:12] <insanekane> alakhia: well, you can add multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.lst ... and then apt-get mplayer
[01:12] <_luca> ok so the same name is right, also for this *.sub... good work! Thanks a lot! ciaooo
[01:12] <insanekane> _luca: ciao :)
[01:12] <alakhia> insanekane: my requirements for movie player are simple: 1) let me move around, 2) grandmother friendly, 3) dvd menus work
[01:13] <insanekane> alakhia: well, those are also my requirements ... almost. so far, i havent needed to play backwards :) i prefer to click on the slider :)
[01:13] <nikkia> mine are even more simple 'must be xine'
[01:13] <alakhia> insanekane: kaffeine does #2 and #3 but not #2
[01:13] <alakhia> insanekane: err, #1
[01:13] <insanekane> nikkia: hehe :)
[01:14] <alakhia> insanekane: the slider is not very accurate ... otherwise, I would use it
[01:14] <insanekane> nikkia: iyo, why is xine is better than mplayer ?
[01:14] <insanekane> alakhia: haha, im no video/film editor :) slider more than enough for me :)
[01:15] <alakhia> insanekane: well, i just end up having to seek many times using slider and it is a nuisance
[01:15] <insanekane> alakhia: yeah it is :) ... maybe you should talk to the kaffeine people ?
[01:16] <alakhia> insanekane: yeah, i can ... i guess no other player out there does what all of the 3 things, huh?
[01:16] <nikkia> insanekane: ever tried to compile mplayer by hand ?
[01:17] <tdmgy> guys, Kate keeps crashing on me, how do I find out what's wrong?
[01:18] <crimsun> are you using the KDE 3.4.2 packages?
[01:18] <crimsun> (see topic)
[01:18] <insanekane> nikkia: nope never ..
[01:19] <alakhia> i compiled mplayer ... but using gentoo
[01:19] <insanekane> nikkia: do you know how the mplayer people make those win32codecs ?
[01:19] <insanekane> nikkia: i mean, are they compiled from source ? or cracked versions of codecs made for windows ?
[01:21] <insanekane> alakhia: have you tried using the keyboard arrow keys when the slider has focus ?
[01:21] <nikkia> insanekane:  'make' ?
[01:22] <nikkia> insanekane: they copy them from a working windows install
[01:22] <alakhia> insanekane: hmmm, no, I always used mouse ...
[01:24] <alakhia> insanekane: if the arrows move a fixed amount when focus is on slider, then that would be pretty good
[01:25] <insanekane> alakhia: err .. why don't you actually try the arrow keys ?
[01:25] <sproingie> insanekane: the win32codecs are supposedly of questionable origin
[01:25] <insanekane> sproingie: questionable in the legal sense or technical sense ?
[01:25] <sproingie> legal
[01:26] <sproingie> allegedly leaked source code
[01:26] <lscd> erm, questionable redistribution
[01:26] <lscd> but leaked source? not that i'd heard
[01:26] <lscd> they come with dlls from freely downloadable but restrictively licensed things, afaik
[01:27] <nikkia> lscd, not all of them
[01:27] <lscd> nikkia: they come with, not 'they are comprised only of'
[01:27] <nikkia> lscd, i was referencing the 'freely downloadable' part
[01:28] <sproingie> ah right.  i think it's the old NTFS driver that came from leaked source
[01:28] <sproingie> the codecs are just illegally distributing some dll's
[01:28] <alakhia> insanekane: well, that was easy
[01:28] <insanekane> alakhia: did it work ?
[01:28] <alakhia> insanekane: I knew i was missing something ... it should be so hard to move around
[01:28] <sproingie> new ntfs driver is better and from untainted sources anyway
[01:28] <insanekane> alakhia: ??
[01:28] <alakhia> insanekane: yeah, tried it just now
[01:29] <alakhia> insanekane: the focus doesn't even have to be on the slider
[01:29] <insanekane> alakhia: so there :) so according to you kaffeine is now perfect ? ;)
[01:29] <insanekane> alakhia: LOL
[01:29] <alakhia> insanekane: Yes, kaffeine is perfect! :O
[01:29] <insanekane> alakhia: glad to hear :)
[01:30] <insanekane> alakhia: perhaps you should say something like that in #kaffeine :)
[01:30] <alakhia> insanekane: I have a wishlist ... but this was perhaps the biggest hurdle!
[01:30] <alakhia> insanekane: if anyone were around, I would
[01:31] <alakhia> insanekane: well, thanks for your help! :)
[01:32] <insanekane> alakhia: best of luck :)
[01:32] <insanekane> ok gotta go ciao all
[01:33] <alakhia> insanekane: see you
[01:58] <smux> hello. Can I use an other char enconding ? I have a lot of problems with utf8 :/
[02:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> god i just read this cheesy slashdot article about upcoming gnome 2.12.
[02:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> when are they going to realize, they'll never catch up to kde, and they should invest their time helping kde instead of competing with it.
[02:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> the only thing gnome has going for it is that it looks so cool.
[03:06] <goldfish> is there a keyboard shortcut for switching desktops in kde like alt + <f1> in fluxbox?
[03:08] <lscd> yep
[03:08] <goldfish> what is it? :)
[03:08] <lscd> ctl+ fN
[03:08] <lscd> i was checking :)
[03:08] <goldfish> thanks.
[03:08] <lscd> np
[03:08] <goldfish> hehe
[03:08] <goldfish> ah wonderful
[03:08] <goldfish> thanks
[03:08] <lscd> i've hit it before by accident, but i didn't remember the actual keys to press
[03:09] <lscd> weeeee, 9% into the install of the ubuntu base system
[03:15] <goldfish> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[03:15] <goldfish> dont suppose you know where i can change that?
[03:15] <goldfish> oh, nm.
[03:15] <lscd> change what?
[03:16] <goldfish> that shortcut
[03:16] <lscd> hm, so did you find a way, or?
[03:16] <goldfish> no, i thought of somewhere to check before asking, but no joy :)
[03:21] <lscd> search for 'key', there's a global key bindings menu
[03:21] <lscd> that might let you do what you want
[03:21] <MIK3MAN> can anyone here help me configure samba so that my XP machine can see my Kubuntu machine?? is that possible??
[03:21] <lscd> it's possible, yes; how to do it is beyond me, as i have no windows machines and have never used samba, sorry
[03:22] <goldfish> lscd: kcontrol -> regional & accesibility -> keyboard shortcuts
[03:22] <goldfish> if you're wondering
[03:22] <lscd> goldfish: ahh
[03:22] <lscd> hm... my install is taking a terribly long time to test the network repository :/
[03:23] <lscd> ahh, it finally progressed, that felt like it took a few minutes
[03:24] <goldfish> yeah did that for me too
[03:24] <lscd> mmph, if no one's filed a wish about "give some damn status indication during that" i should
[03:45] <lscd> wow
[03:45] <lscd> i'm officially impressed
[03:45] <lscd> after a couple of years of gentoo, an ubuntu install is surprisingly shiny ;)
[03:45] <crimsun> must be the lack of "omgwtfcompile?!"
[03:46] <lscd> crimsun: naw, the minor stuff
[03:46] <lscd> it checking ntp the first boot
[03:46] <lscd> a usb mouse -working- when i plug it in, without restarting x
[03:46] <crimsun> it's the minor stuff that either makes or kills a distro
[03:46] <lscd> etc
[03:46] <lscd> yeah
[03:47] <lscd> there've been a couple of nasty artifacts with the graphics card though
[03:47] <lscd> otoh, i don't even know off the top of my head what graphics card -is- in that box, unlike if i was running gentoo on it - though it would be another day or two til i got the joy of configuring X ;)
[03:48] <lscd> hm... the graphics artifacts are pretty annoying and occur whenever i move the mouse. ergh
[03:55] <goldfish> you use gentoo at all anymore lscd ?
[03:56] <lscd> yep
[03:56] <lscd> all of my systems, except for a freebsd one, and an ubuntu install which is now about 10 minutes old
[03:56] <lscd> oh, and my mac; i've been trying to decide what linux to install on that
[03:56] <goldfish> ah right :)
[03:56] <goldfish> i must get me a pair of balls and install freebsd.
[03:57] <lscd> i've been recommending ubuntu to people blindly, so it was overdue for me to try it ;)
[03:57] <lscd> eh, it's surprisingly easy
[03:57] <lscd> the partitioning terminology is weird, but the handbook isn't bad
[03:57] <jsimon> I have problem I just install Kunbuntu and yen i wase typing the root passowrd i toutch something and the pass dont no wat is it so how do i change the root pass ??
[03:57] <goldfish> cool
[03:58] <goldfish> heh
[03:58] <goldfish> well.. you can locally exploit your new install and crack the shadow file.
[03:59] <goldfish> hmm, im not sure, can u boot into recovery mode to get a root prompt
[03:59] <goldfish> ?
[03:59] <lscd> can you use sudo by default?
[03:59] <lscd> if so, 'sudo passwd root'
[03:59] <jsimon> ok i will try that
[04:00] <goldfish> yeah
[04:01] <goldfish> hmm, i think i broke my kubuntu.
[04:03] <lscd> hmm?
[04:04] <goldfish> yus.
[04:04] <goldfish> anytime i try to apt-get something i get an error about gtkboard, which is not even installed on my system.
[04:04] <goldfish> hmmm
[04:11] <jsimon> the sudo passwd root did not work
[04:12] <lscd> ok - then, the easiest thing to do is boot linux in what's called 'single user mode'
[04:13] <jsimon> ok how do i do that ?
[04:14] <lscd> ok, when ubuntu is booting, press esc, and then press 'c'
[04:14] <jsimon> ok
[04:14] <lscd> meh
[04:14] <lscd> found an easier way
[04:15] <lscd> and those weren't the complete instructions
[04:17] <ray_> how do i adjust dma to play dvd's smoothly?
[04:18] <lscd> hdparm
[04:18] <ray_> just type hdparm?
[04:19] <lscd> no, hdparm -d 1 /dev/whatever #whatever is probably hda
[04:19] <ray_> ok
[04:19] <ray_> thanks
[04:19] <ray_> do i need to do it everytime?
[04:19] <courtknee> w000t
[04:20] <goldfish> yes.
[04:21] <goldfish> you can make a hdparm conf file to run on startup
[04:23] <courtknee> you no longer close your eyes....
[04:23] <courtknee> anymore.....
[04:23] <courtknee> when I kiss....
[04:23] <courtknee> your assssss
[04:23] <lscd> ...... wonderful
[04:23] <goldfish> stfu...
[04:23] <courtknee> dum dum...dumm dumm
[04:24] <lscd> hmmm... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia mentions nvidia-settings, but apt-get says it's not available despite being referred to by another package
[04:24] <ray_> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:24] <ray_>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:24] <ray_>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:24] <ray_> ?
[04:24] <goldfish> lspci |grep IDE
[04:24] <lscd> fun...
[04:25] <courtknee> thankfully my notebook was setup nicely after installation
[04:25] <courtknee> redhat, suse, and gentoo always left me hang'n
[04:27] <ray_> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03)
[04:27] <ray_> 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA Controller (rev 03)
[04:28] <courtknee> I have always had issues setting up an invidia card on any flav of linux
[04:28] <ray_> goldfish: ?
[04:28] <ray_> courtknee: its easy in kubuntu
[04:28] <goldfish> hmmm
[04:28] <courtknee> that is good to know;  in case i switch machines
[04:28] <courtknee> i have a ati on this notebook
[04:29] <courtknee> but like i said before;  everything was already configured nicely
[04:29] <lscd> speaking of nvidia cards.... i'm not seeing the way in the user documentation to play with the init system
[04:29] <ray_> i have an ati ......u have to set it up if you want 3d support
[04:29] <courtknee> one thing is the way it handles battery power..sorta strange...the fan and the HD kicks on and off every few seconds
[04:29] <goldfish> /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:30] <lscd> ahh, ok - so almost identical to gentoo; nice
[04:31] <ray_> !find libdvdcss
[04:31] <ray_> ?
[04:32] <courtknee> if i configured 3d support would KDE look any different?
[04:32] <lscd> no
[04:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdvdcss' returned no results.
[04:33] <lscd> ubotu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:33] <ubotu> lscd: I give up, what is it?
[04:33] <goldfish> libdvdcss2
[04:34] <ray_> goldfish: is that in multiverse or backports?
[04:34] <goldfish> hmm not sure
[04:34] <goldfish> multiverse i think
[04:35] <lscd> erm, wow, no wonder this is headache inducing
[04:35] <lscd> according to kde, my monitor is running at 2048x1436 at 60 hz
[04:35] <lscd> 1536, typo
[04:36] <ray_> not in multiverse
[04:36] <lscd> it doesn't even support that resolution
[04:36] <lscd> [i mean, it worked, but the docs never said it could do that]
[04:36] <lscd> [and ye gads, was it flickery]
[04:38] <lscd> yey ..... i've cranked down the resolution, and since switching to the binary nvidia drivers, it's not had really weird artifacts every time i move the mouse :p
[04:38] <goldfish> must be ini backports then
[04:38] <goldfish> *in
[04:38] <ray_> goldfish: yeah i found it
[04:39] <goldfish> cool
[04:42] <ray_> anybody know how to convert an avi to mpg?
[04:44] <delltony_> use avidemux
[04:44] <ray_> delltony_: how do i get that?
[04:45] <delltony_> have you tried apt-cache search  :)
[04:46] <ray_> i found it in backports
[04:48] <ray_> delltony_: perfect exactly what i wanted :)
[05:07] <jsimon> how do i install rpm program ???
[05:08] <crimsun> jsimon: using 'alien'
[05:08] <crimsun> jsimon: you should refrain from installing rpms, though. Always use a native Ubuntu package if possible.
[05:09] <jsimon> ok and were do i found prog for Ubuntu ?
[05:10] <goldfish> hmmm
[05:10] <goldfish> the repositories.
[05:10] <goldfish> if u using kubuntu, use kynaptic
[05:11] <jsimon> ok
[05:12] <lscd> jsimon: any luck with your earlier problem?
[05:13] <jsimon> I reinstalled lol
[05:13] <lscd> ahh
[05:13] <lscd> erm, why were you typing the root password, btw?
[05:13] <lscd> ubuntu doesn't _have_ a root password, generally
[05:14] <jsimon> ok
[05:15] <jsimon> I am new to this it is my friend that told me to install that lol so i am all fucktup lol
[05:17] <lscd> ehh, ubuntu is a little non-standard in that regard
[05:17] <lscd> instead of typing the root password, if something needs root permissions, you type the command, but with 'sudo' before it, then type your _user_ password
[05:17] <lscd> ie, to install, say, gforth, you'd type: sudo apt-get install gforth
[05:17] <lscd> <your password>
[05:18] <jsimon> ok some thing going worg lol I am going in kynaptic it said to put i passw and i put the root and my passw and it is not working
[05:18] <lscd> do you remember the username and password that you picked when you installed kubuntu?
[05:19] <jsimon> yes
[05:19] <lscd> ok
[05:19] <lscd> so, type: sudo kynaptic
[05:19] <lscd> then, type the password that you picked then
[05:20] <jsimon> dosent work
[05:20] <lscd> ok, type 'whoami'
[05:21] <jsimon> it sayd root that nothing
[05:21] <goldfish> ....
[05:21] <lscd> interesting
[05:22] <jsimon> and in the prog it is not working lol
[05:22] <lscd> is there any error message?
[05:22] <jsimon> no
[05:22] <lscd> ok, is there a button that says 'k' in the bottom left corner of your screen?
[05:22] <jsimon> yes
[05:22] <lscd> good
[05:23] <lscd> was 'root' the name of the user you added during install?
[05:23] <jsimon> no
[05:23] <lscd> excellent
[05:24] <lscd> type 'exit'; does the prompt change from a # to a $?
[05:24] <jsimon> yes
[05:24] <lscd> good
[05:24] <lscd> now type: sudo kynaptic
[05:24] <lscd> and type your user password
[05:25] <jsimon> jsimon is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[05:25] <goldfish> lol
[05:25] <lscd> have you added more than one user to the system?
[05:25] <jsimon> no
[05:26] <lscd> are you using the latest version of kubuntu?
[05:26] <jsimon> yes
[05:26] <lscd> weird - i've been using it for a couple of hours, and it Works For Me :p
[05:26] <jsimon> lol
[05:26] <lscd> do you have any idea how you got the # prompt?
[05:27] <jsimon> no lol
[05:27] <_michael> wut r sum gud gaming channels?
[05:27] <lscd> _michael: i think freenode isn't very keen on gaming channels
[05:27] <_michael> umm, what servers have good uns?
[05:28] <lscd> jsimon: ok, so if you press the up arrow twice, what command do you see?
[05:28] <lscd> _michael: no idea, i'm not a  gamer
[05:29] <_michael> k
[05:29] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$ sudo kynaptic
[05:29] <lscd> ok, and if you press up one more time?
[05:29] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$ su
[05:29] <lscd> ok, press enter
[05:29] <jsimon> ok
[05:29] <lscd> what happened?
[05:29] <jsimon> that it is password
[05:30] <lscd> ok - type whatever you typed there the last time you ran that command
[05:30] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon #
[05:30] <lscd> ok, you're root again
[05:33] <lscd> type gpasswd -a jsimon admin
[05:33] <_frank> It's ALIVE!!!! my wlan card was pretty painless to setup! (Atheros chipset chosen on purpose) but the settings don't seem to stick after I leave kcontrol. If I can't figure it out , at least I have you guys so everything should go well.
[05:34] <lscd> _frank: congrats on the painless part :)
[05:34] <_frank> now to learn how to sniff out neighbours using this totally open router of ours
[05:34] <lscd> heh
[05:35] <jsimon> groupe inconnu: admin
[05:35] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon #
[05:36] <lscd> good; now type /etc/init.d/kdm restart # -- this WILL restart your graphical interface - come back once that's happened
[05:36] <Tribune> hi. can anybody help me how to get all package for kubuntu using terminal?
[05:36] <_frank> Tribune: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:36] <Tribune> thanks
[05:39] <_michael> k, i screwed up - I uninstalled konqueror and don't have the cd to reinstall it
[05:39] <_michael> what repository can I use, or where can I get a .deb
[05:39] <_frank> _michael: do you have internet repositories setup?
[05:39] <Tribune> frank... i just install kubuntu. it seem i can go to my terminal
[05:39] <_michael> yea, but not the right one
[05:40] <_frank> _michael: you don't have hoary main?
[05:40] <lscd> apt-get install konqueror
[05:40] <_michael> idk, h on
[05:41] <_michael> yep, i do
[05:41] <jsimon> still not working the f...... passw in kinapik
[05:41] <_michael> but it keeps looking for the install from the cd, and I disabled the cd repository cuz i dunt have the cd
[05:41] <lscd> ok, you're jsimon, and you're typing sudo kynaptic ?
[05:42] <jsimon> hevery app that thell me the pass it is not working
[05:42] <lscd> you're typing jsimon's password, right?
[05:42] <jsimon> it just thell me password not my user name
[05:43] <_michael> what repository is the one thats needed to get konqueror? - I can list the ones that im using if that'll help
[05:44] <lscd> jsimon: ok, type 'whoami'
[05:44] <_michael> ok, nm, i found it
[05:44] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$ whoami
[05:44] <jsimon> jsimon
[05:44] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$
[05:44] <lscd> _michael: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories
[05:45] <lscd> jsimon: ok, so if you type, say, 'sudo ls', it asks you for a password, right?
[05:45] <jsimon> yes
[05:46] <lscd> and if you type the same password as you typed at the graphical login prompt, what happens?
[05:46] <jsimon> jsimon is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[05:46] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$
[05:46] <_michael> how do u install a .bin file in kubuntu?
[05:46] <lscd> type 'groups'
[05:47] <lscd> _michael: probably ./myblah.bin
[05:47] <lscd> perhaps with a sudo before that
[05:47] <_michael> k, ty
[05:47] <jsimon> jsimon adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[05:47] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$
[05:48] <lscd> so you're not in the admin group
[05:48] <lscd> ok.... what does grep admin /etc/group say?
[05:48] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$ grep admin /etc/group
[05:48] <jsimon> lpadmin:x:107:jsimon
[05:48] <jsimon> jsimon@ubuntu:~$
[05:49] <lscd> wow
[05:49] <lscd> ok, type 'su'
[05:49] <jsimon> k
[05:49] <lscd> you're root now?
[05:49] <jesusfish> there an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?
[05:49] <jsimon> yes
[05:50] <lscd> type 'groupadd admin'
[05:50] <lscd> gpasswd -a jsimon admin
[05:50] <lscd> grep admin /etc/group
[05:51] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # groupadd admin
[05:51] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # gpasswd -a jsimon admin
[05:51] <jsimon> Ajout de l'utilisateur jsimon au groupe admin
[05:51] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # grep admin /etc/group
[05:51] <jsimon> lpadmin:x:107:jsimon
[05:51] <jsimon> admin:x:1001:jsimon
[05:51] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon #
[05:51] <lscd> ok
[05:51] <lscd> and is the last line of the file /etc/sudoers:
[05:51] <lscd> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:52] <lscd> [you can type 'cat /etc/sudoers' to check]
[05:52] <_michael> ok, doing the ./*.bin doesn't do anything
[05:52] <lscd> _michael: ok, what does 'file ./blah.bin' say?
[05:52] <goldfish> _michael: what is the file?
[05:53] <goldfish> installing .bin files is messy
[05:53] <_michael> i got sun java in a self extracting file
[05:53] <goldfish> well, if u want to uninstall it.
[05:53] <goldfish> oh ok.
[05:53] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # /etc/sudoers:
[05:53] <jsimon> bash: /etc/sudoers:: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[05:53] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:53] <jsimon> bash: fg: %admin: no such job
[05:53] <jsimon> root@ubuntu:/home/jsimon #
[05:53] <_michael> just says the command isn't found
[05:53] <goldfish> _michael: sh blah.bin
[05:53] <_michael> k
[05:53] <lscd> jsimon: nonono
[05:53] <lscd> just type 'cat /etc/sudoers'
[05:53] <lscd> and visually compare the last line, with your eyes, to %admin [blah]
[05:54] <jsimon> # User privilege specification
[05:54] <jsimon> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:54] <lscd> ok, is there anything after that?
[05:54] <jsimon> no
[05:55] <lscd> what does uname -a say?
[05:55] <jsimon> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Jun 24 16:53:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:55] <_michael> Creating jre1.5.0_04/lib/deploy.jar
[05:55] <_michael> dirname: too many arguments
[05:55] <_michael> Try `dirname --help' for more information.
[05:55] <_michael> dirname: too few arguments
[05:55] <_michael> Try `dirname --help' for more information.
[05:55] <_michael> Done.
[05:56] <_michael> what's that mean?
[05:56] <lscd> _michael: that you should use the ubuntu packages ;)
[05:56] <hussam> how do I restart networking ( disable and renable networking ) from commnad line?
[05:56] <_michael> lol, but they don't seem to work when installing w/ kynaptic
[05:56] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java <-- _michael
[05:57] <JayParadise> anyone want to experiment with nfs mounts with me?
[05:57] <_michael> k, ty, agin
[05:57] <lscd> hussam: /etc/init.d/networking start # or stop, to disable - at a guess
[05:57] <JayParadise> i enabled it, now need to utilize!
[05:59] <lscd> ok, mine says apr 5 but is otherwise the same.... interesting
[05:59] <lscd> jsimon: add this to your /etc/sudoers file:
[05:59] <lscd> ...... or not
[05:59] <jesusfish> there an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?
[05:59] <jesusfish> (that works with hoary)
[05:59] <lscd> there's an amarok one; not sure about the version
[06:00] <jesusfish> lscd: 1.2.3 is what's in hoary right now
[06:00] <lscd> ahh
[06:08] <_michael> k,nother problem, how do you use the terminal to delete an enitire directory even if files and folders are in it?
[06:10] <_michael> nope, found a loophole, nm
[06:54] <pat> heloo, i have recently insatlled kubuntu linux. can anybody suggest any applications to add to my system. i am not that familiar with linux, but i would like to get the most out of it. btw, im using kubuntu as a home desktop system...thanks
[06:55] <jesusfish> lscd: 1.2.3 is what's in hoary right now
[06:55] <jesusfish> oops
[06:55] <jesusfish> there an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?
[06:56] <crimsun> I don't think so
[06:56] <jesusfish> darn
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> it's a less than 15 minute compile on my 2.4GHz p4
[06:57] <crimsun> breezy has 1.2.4
[06:57] <jesusfish> crimsun: I need one for hoary
[06:57] <jesusfish> hmm...maybe I should just upgrade to breezy
[06:57] <jesusfish> how stable is breezy?
[06:58] <Dhraakellian> (I used to time it back when I used the cvs ebuilds for 1.1 and 1.2... it takes less time now that I tend to use kdesvn-build, which frees me from the need to make clean)
[06:58] <jesusfish> Dhraakellian: ya, gotta get all setup for compiling then too
[06:58] <jesusfish> soo lazy
[06:58] <hussam> there should be an amorok 1.2.4 in hoary backports.
[06:58] <Dhraakellian> what about taglib 1.4?
[06:59] <jesusfish> hussam: what's the sources line for backports?
[06:59] <jesusfish> (repository)
[06:59] <hussam> deb http://mirror.brianpuccio.net/ubuntu-backports-repository/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:59] <hussam> deb http://mirror.brianpuccio.net/ubuntu-backports-repository/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:00] <pax> backports are official now, get them for ubuntu directly :)
[07:00] <hussam> oh yeah
[07:01] <pax> !backports
[07:01] <ubotu> backports is probably .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:01] <hussam> yeah I have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse  as well
[07:02] <hussam> anybody knows of any interesting 3rd party ubuntu repositories?
[07:02] <pax> you want my list hussam?
[07:02] <hussam> yeah
[07:03] <pax> let me upload it somewhere
[07:03] <lscd> pat: what kind of program, in general, do you want?
[07:03] <jesusfish> how stable is breezy now though?
[07:04] <pat> i dunno whats good? multimedia, games, etc...good stuff for home linux desktops, thanks
[07:04] <pax> hussam: http://ninux.net/sources
[07:05] <hussam> ok thanks pax
[07:05] <crimsun> hmm, I'll work on a 1.3b2 deb for Hoary
[07:05] <pax> jesusfish: breezy have long way to go I hear, it'll be official in October
[07:05] <pat> i installed some that i found from ubuntuguide.org and also sort of figutred out synaptic/kynaptic
[07:06] <pat> just wondering if anyone had an app that they really like, because quite perhaps i have never heard of it
[07:07] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[07:07] <hussam> pax: that just times out
[07:07] <pax> pat, http://www.google.com/webhp
[07:08] <jesusfish> no 1.2.4
[07:08] <pax> hussam ew, one sec
[07:09] <pax> hussam http://neopeace.com/sources
[07:10] <hussam> ok thanks that one works
[07:12] <mickS> Just installed a 2nd hard drive...problem is, it comes up in /dev/ as hdd hdd1 hdd2 hdd5...what's the story?
[07:13] <mickS> I just want hdd...I'm sure existing partitions wouldn't cause this right?
[07:14] <pax> why not?
[07:14] <hussam> pax: it could always be my connection. I have a lot of ports blocked by my ISP
[07:15] <pax> hussam could be mine too, trying to find out :)
[07:15] <mickS> well, when I fdisk hdd for example, it has partitions within
[07:15] <mickS> if "why not/" was directed at me
[07:16] <crimsun> jesusfish: I'm working on a 1.3b2 deb
[07:17] <pax> micks then hdd1 hdd2 hdd5 are the partition, no?
[07:18] <mickS> what I'm saying is that they show up as seperate devices...if I fdisk hdd1 hdd2 etc, they also have partitions on them
[07:19] <pax> hmm you're confusing me here :p aren't they supposed to be different devs?
[07:20] <mickS> no, I installed a new hard drive, and instead of simply seeing hdd in dev, I am seeing hdd hdd1 hdd2 etc...
[07:21] <mickS> like it's made multi harddrives out of the one
[07:23] <TestMAD> those are partitions
[07:23] <TestMAD> hdd is the main device
[07:23] <TestMAD> hdd1, hdd2..those are partitions
[07:23] <TestMAD> iy may be a refurbished and was never cleaned..
[07:23] <TestMAD> that would be messed up
[07:24] <mickS> well, I've deleted all partitions from hdd, yet these others still show up
[07:24] <mickS> in devices...when I check them out they all still have a partition
[07:24] <pax> how'd you delete them?
[07:25] <mickS> fdisk
[07:26] <pax> if you deleted the partitions, shouldn't be there any more. weird
[07:26] <mickS> yes, I'm an idiot...forgot to hit 'w' to write :P
[07:27] <pax> lol
[07:28] <TestMAD> hehe
[07:34] <bobbyd> hi
[07:34] <bobbyd> where had kdiskfree gone?
[07:38] <pax> !find kdiskfree
[07:38] <ubotu> gtkdiskfree: (A Gnome program which shows free and used space on your filesystems), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.9.3-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 324 kB
[07:39] <bobbyd> thanks pax
[07:39] <pax> you're welcome, but it's not what you're looking for I guess.
[07:39] <bobbyd> no
[07:39] <bobbyd> it's weird that kdiskfree is not around, but that will do
[07:50] <crimsun> jesusfish: I made 1.3 beta2 debs for Hoary
[07:50] <crimsun> jesusfish: they require the 3.4.2 libs noted in the topic.
[07:53] <crimsun> jesusfish: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/
[07:59] <ray_> hello?
[07:59] <crimsun> hi?
[07:59] <ray_> room dead tonight
[07:59] <crimsun> most people are probably heading to sleep if not already
[08:00] <crimsun> can't speak for the south asians or europeans
[08:00] <ray_> yeah...
[08:00] <mickS> it's 3:30pm here
[08:00] <bobbyd> it's 7am here
[08:00] <mickS> and I'm still heading to sleep :)
[08:00] <ray_> 2 am here
[08:00] <bobbyd> me too
[08:00] <pax> au contraire, we had a party with cake earlier, you just came in late :-)
[08:01] <lscd> hehe
[08:02] <ray_> u guys know when the next release of kubuntu comes out....is it the same as ubuntu?
[08:02] <crimsun> yes
[08:02] <crimsun> October 2005
[08:02] <pax> lscd: how's it going :)
[08:02] <crimsun> lscd: if you were looking for amarok 1.3 beta2 debs, I posted them at http://sh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/
[08:02] <crimsun> (I know jesusfish was)
[08:03] <pax> good man, I can use this
[08:04] <ray_> u guys use amarok......does it work with internet radio?
[08:04] <crimsun> sure does
[08:04] <crimsun> even comes with a bunch of presets
[08:04] <pax> I use it with last.fm
[08:04] <ray_> last.fm?
[08:04] <lscd> pax: not bad
[08:05] <lscd> crimsun: good to know, but i don't use amarok at all
[08:05] <pax> ray_: last.fm your own personal radio, give it a shot
[08:05] <ray_> i only use live365 is there better radio services?
[08:05] <crimsun> lscd: I did a simple /lastlog -regexp
[08:05] <crimsun> lscd: no biggie, I understand
[08:06] <pax> shoutcast, google stations, xiph, basic.sh ... many of them out there
[08:07] <ray_> which ones are free?
[08:07] <pax> streamtuner has'em all
[08:07] <lscd> hehe.... i didn't even know of most of those
[08:08] <pax> oh and punkcast.com lol
[08:08] <ray_> im looking for actual live radio not preset songs like live365
[08:09] <pax> you'll 'proly like last.fm
[08:10] <pax> !last.fm
[08:10] <ubotu> pax: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:10] <pax> ubotu  Last.fm is a personalised online radio station that plays the right music to the right people. Songs spread from listener to listener.
[08:10] <ubotu> okay, pax
[08:11] <ray_> is there any system tools or antivirus programs that I should have?
[08:13] <pax> I dont think you need av for linux (yet), system tools as in?
[08:14] <ray_> yeah prob not av ...... but is there spyware for linux?
[08:15] <ray_> u think people will start writing virusus for linux?
[08:15] <lscd> there are some
[08:15] <lscd> none of them have spread in the wild though
[08:15] <lscd> it's possible, but at this point, having an anti-virus for linux is pointless
[08:15] <ray_> why would people write computer virusus.....it makes no sense
[08:15] <lscd> as anti-virus programs are purely reactionary
[08:16] <lscd> ray_: a number of reasons, some lousy, some good
[08:16] <ray_> some good?
[08:16] <lscd> it could teach you a fair amount about executable files, their format, how they're loaded, etc
[08:17] <pax> crimsun: E: Couldn't find package amarok_1.3-0ubuntu0hoary1_i386.deb ;(
[08:17] <ray_> E:?
[08:17] <lscd> ray_: there are a few viruses out there that are amazing
[08:17] <lscd> and people rarely write things like polymorphic, self-modifying code for other purposes
[08:18] <ray_> lscd: i need to write a virus that transfers money into my bank........lol
[08:18] <lscd> beyond that, if you wanted to be malicious, or harvest a lot of processing power, it could be an effective, though illegal when in applied in such ways, way
[08:19] <lscd> ray_: sure, expect it to take all of a few hours to be caught ;)
[08:19] <lscd> _spreading_ viruses is quite morally different from writing them, i think
[08:19] <ray_> lscd: yeah im sure
[08:19] <lscd> [fwiw, i do neither.]
[08:19] <ray_> what language are most linux apps written in?
[08:19] <lscd> c
[08:20] <lscd> although you'll find many in other languages
[08:20] <lscd> especially perl, python, etc - there's an increasing amount of c++, some java
[08:20] <lscd> sourceforge.net will be happy to give you more info ;)
[08:20] <ray_> kde is c++ right?
[08:21] <lscd> yes
[08:21] <lscd> although it uses some things, like its own string type, in preference to the standardized bits
[08:21] <lscd> and has its own preprocessor, moc, etc
[08:21] <lscd> why?
[08:22] <ray_> lscd: does your name stand for the term commands ls and cd
[08:22] <ray_> lscd: no reason
[08:23] <lscd> yep
[08:23] <ray_> nice ....
[08:24] <lscd> hey, i had a dearth of creativity when i came up with it ;)
[08:24] <ray_> lscd: do you use kde?
[08:24] <lscd> yep
[08:24] <ray_> why not gnome?
[08:25] <lscd> i find modern gnome ugly, and modern kde nice
[08:25] <ray_> yes
[08:25] <ray_> me too
[08:25] <lscd> i hated kde 2.x, and liked gnome 1.x enough
[08:25] <lscd> but i hate gnome 2.x, and like kde >= 3.2
[08:25] <ray_> kde looks a hundred times better
[08:25] <lscd> i've been underwhelmed by xfce, icewm, etc, and i never managed to warm to windowmaker
[08:25] <lscd> i'd agree
[08:26] <lscd> aside from that, technologically, i think kde is a lot sounder
[08:26] <lscd> [than gnome]
[08:26] <lscd> not that that would stop me from using gnome if it was nicer ;)
[08:26] <ray_> yeah can you help me with something?
[08:26] <lscd> i can try
[08:28] <ray_> ok in regular ubuntu with gnome i installed samba and could print to my printer upstairs on my xp machine.....now under kde i have found no way to do that
[08:28] <lscd> kprinter ?
[08:28] <ray_> yeah i tried......it just doesnt work
[08:28] <lscd> smb:/ ?
[08:29] <lscd> [in konqueror]
[08:29] <ray_> it doesnt show the printer......and it worked in gnome...it makes no sense
[08:30] <lscd> wb, buz
[08:31] <ray_> oops
[08:31] <lscd> ray_: hm.. i've never used smb
[08:31] <pax> ugh, I always assumed .ch domains were chinese
[08:32] <lscd> nope, that's .cn
[08:32] <lscd> this is switzerland
[08:32] <lscd> common mistake though
[08:32] <jesusfish> crimsun: awesome, huge thanks
[08:32] <jesusfish> crimsun: (for amarok packages)
[08:37] <pax> ray_: try swat, it's crap but can make your smb configuration breeze
[08:37] <pax> !swat
[08:37] <ubotu> from memory, swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[08:40] <ray_> ok installed
[08:40] <ray_> when i try and run it nothing happens
[08:41] <pax> ray, use your browser localhost:901 login as root
[08:42] <pax> make sure you have root account
[08:42] <ray_> i od
[08:42] <ray_> do
[08:43] <pax> I mean root account enabled, cuz it's not by default in kubuntu
[08:44] <ray_> yeah i had to enable it
[08:44] <ray_> to play enemy-territory
[08:44] <pax> swat will not like your regular account/pass (will not give you all option) that's why I said it's crap
[08:44] <ray_> so log in as root
[08:44] <pax> brb
[08:45] <virgis> ?
[08:46] <_virgis_> 1
[08:47] <virgis_> .ICEauthority crashing, why?
[08:48] <jesusfish> any one know of a 2.6.12 kernel package?
[08:48] <ray_> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[08:48] <lscd> yep, but no idea about for ubuntu
[08:48] <ray_> OOPS
[08:48] <jesusfish> (for hoary)
[08:50] <pax> isnt that what breezy has now?
[08:51] <jesusfish> pax: not sure
[08:51] <jesusfish> pax: but 2.6.11 is messed up in hoary
[08:52] <jesusfish> pax: and 2.6.10 has huge issues compiling lirc
[08:52] <ray_> really messed up
[08:53] <pax> yeah I think I saw it in Colony CD 2
[08:54] <jesusfish> pax: can I use it in hoary though?
[08:54] <pax> oh boy, I wouldn't but what do I know
[08:55] <jesusfish> pax: I could just grab a vanilla one and build from scratch, but I try to keep everything in my system using debs
[08:55] <pax> ask in #ubuntu or the list, many smart folks would be happy to help
[08:58] <pax> hussam, cho ammo, connection issues? :-)
[08:58] <insanekane> hello all
[08:58] <hussam> pax: you mean with irc?
[08:59] <pax> with your isp
[08:59] <hussam> probably so but most sites use port 80 or 8080 so I'm ok
[09:00] <hussam> and everything like irc, pop3 and smtp works fine.
[09:00] <pax> glad to hear
[09:46] <alexbr> hello, I need help
[09:46] <alexbr> my monitor is at 640x480 resolution
[09:47] <alexbr> I need to bring it to 1280x1024
[09:47] <pax> !resolution
[09:47] <ubotu> I heard resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:47] <alexbr> I've tried to change xorg.conf
[09:47] <alexbr> but resolution doesn't change
[09:48] <pax> checked the wiki?
[09:48] <alexbr> now I'm checking
[10:27] <udzinari> hello people
[10:27] <udzinari> !
[10:27] <ubotu> udzinari: I haven't a clue
[10:28] <udzinari> ubotu: ?
[10:28] <ubotu> udzinari: I give up, what is it?
[10:28] <udzinari> hah
[10:28] <udzinari> bot
[10:28] <udzinari> :)
[10:38] <hussam> oopa
[10:38] <hussam> oops
[10:38] <hussam> sorry
[10:40] <frederson> hello
[10:41] <frederson> i just installed kubuntu on my system and i'm having some display issues
[10:42] <frederson> when my display manager starts I get out of frequency on my monitor. I tried switching to gdm instead to see if it helped, but it's the same thing. Any suggestions?
[10:53] <alexbr> hello, still having problems with video resolution
[10:55] <alexbr> I've tried to change the default depth and also the video driver, and reconfiguring everything via dpkg
[10:55] <alexbr> but nothing changes
[10:56] <frederson> what's the problem?
[10:56] <alexbr> maybe the fact that I have two video cards (one sis integrated and a nvidia)
[10:56] <alexbr> resolution at 440x480
[10:56] <alexbr> instead of 1280x1024
[10:56] <frederson> try control + alt + +
[10:56] <frederson> in kde
[10:57] <alexbr> nothing happens
[10:57] <alexbr> in kontrol center
[10:57] <alexbr> I've tried also to change the resolution
[10:57] <frederson> control/alt/+ should change your resoloution i believe
[10:57] <alexbr> but I only see 640x480 and 320x200 res modes
[10:59] <alexbr> doesn't work, do I have to turn block num off?
[10:59] <frederson> shouldn't have to
[10:59] <DJ_Necrogami> Boo @ Googling may become illegal in canada .. ~.~ http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050712.gtgoogle0712/BNStory/Technology/
[10:59] <frederson> mine changed... but now my screen is all kinda fubared
[11:01] <frederson> check out your XF86Config file...
[11:01] <alexbr> xorg, would you say,,,
[11:01] <alexbr> I have kubuntu 5.04
[11:02] <alexbr> as far as I know it uses xorg
[11:02] <frederson> eh... i may be looking at an old article... i'm browsing around some KDE articles for ideas
[11:06] <frederson> i'm utterly confused at what has happened to my screen...
[11:07] <alexbr> ??
[11:07] <frederson> what should be stretched across my entire monitor is taking up a little over 1/4 of my monitor.. the rest is about half of another virtual desktop and some random pixels...
[11:08] <alexbr> what did you do?
[11:09] <frederson> hah, well, this article i read told me about the control/alt/+ thing, so i tried it and this happened... it's supposed to cycle through resoloutions delared in the xf86Config file, so i tried to cycle back and it just gets worse :p
[11:10] <alexbr> wow
[11:11] <alexbr> on my pc instead it seems that xorg doesn't read the resolution directives
[11:12] <alexbr> I've ereased the "640x480" mode and nothing happens
[11:12] <frederson> try putting in the resoloution you want and restarting kde
[11:13] <frederson> sheezus... this is kinda silly
[11:15] <alexbr> let's see whether it works
[11:21] <buz> yeah new thunderbird debs
[11:21] <buz> now if only they'd release those for every update
[11:30] <Hunchback> hey, what was the command to run commands from root?
[11:34] <Hunchback> what was it?
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo
[11:34] <Hunchback> thanks
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> and it's not "from root" as such, but anyway
[11:36] <Hunchback> um, there was some text editor like vi, but newer...
[11:36] <Hunchback> but i forgot it's name...
[11:37] <alexbr> if I remove my nvidia card it works with the sis integrated
[11:45] <salil> can anyone tell me how to change the keys used to cycle through the "Desktops"
[11:46] <salil> help .... anyone..??
[11:47] <salil> anyone.. awake..??
[11:51] <Hunchback> are mplayer and the wincodecs avaiable in the universe soruces?
[11:51] <Hunchback> sources*
[11:52] <Hunchback> i just enabled them and updated, but apt can't find anything
[11:52] <kasim> hi, is someone succesfully using plone (2.0.5) with apt-get install on [k] ubuntu? There are packages, and install works for me, but the zserver seems to die ...
[11:54] <kasim> Hunchback: mplayer-586 works for me here
[11:54] <Choubaka> Hunchback: not in universe.
[11:54] <Choubaka> Hunchback: not w32codecs at least.
[11:55] <buz> w32codecs are in marillats rep
[11:55] <buz> url is somewhere in the wiki
[11:55] <Choubaka> They're non-free so they'd have to be in multiverse. However, you won't find them in official repositories. ./
[11:55] <buz> they arent unfree, they are downright illegal
[11:55] <Choubaka> huh?
[11:55] <Choubaka> Maybe in america or something. :P
[11:55] <buz> well technically you probably must not rip out codecs
[11:56] <buz> since they are freely available however, it's probably hard to make a case out of it
[11:56] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[11:56] <kasim> Hunchback: am not sure, but i have it running here. dont think i did something special to it
[11:57] <kasim> i have multivers open though
[11:57] <Choubaka> I don't think they would be illegal outside america even if microsoft made a case out of them :P
[11:58] <buz> kasim: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42473
[11:58] <Choubaka> Though perhaps I should get to know the licence better before saying these thins. :P
[11:58] <Choubaka> things*
[12:01] <buz> Choubaka: yeah or do as everyone else: who cares ;)
[12:01] <Hunchback> downloading the codecs now
[12:02] <Hunchback> another question: how do i see my partitions table>?
[12:02] <buz> qtparted is nice for that
[12:02] <Hunchback> hm, it's not installed
[12:02] <Choubaka> buz: Well, actually I'm using OS X now so that codec package is irrelevant anyway. :P
[12:03] <Hunchback> i don't want to edit it, i just want to see it so i can mount my drives
[12:04] <Choubaka> cfdisk -l or something.
[12:12] <michi> hello everybody
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:17] <Hunchback> ok how to see my partitons table?
[12:18] <znh> what does kubuntu mean? that it's a group that uses KDE ?
[12:19] <Hunchback> eh
[12:20] <Hunchback> kubuntu is ubuntu installation that comes with KDE
[12:20] <ma3x> how to display icon of kmail under the internet menu?
[12:20] <znh> Aah, well I just did the base installation by typing 'server' after that I installed the xserver with KDE
[12:21] <vegiVamp> K-Ubuntu, of course :-)
[12:21] <vegiVamp> K people tend to add K to everything :-)
[12:21] <znh> yea.. someone said in #ubuntu that it means Kill Ubuntu :p
[12:21] <vegiVamp> haha :-)
[12:21] <znh> then blue - sorry seems to be the hardest would be stylefull
[12:22] <vegiVamp> Personally, I find it surprising that Ubuntu hasn't been renamed Gubuntu yet :-)
[12:22] <ma3x> can anybody answer my question please?
[12:22] <znh> ma3x: maybe in the Menu editor?
[12:22] <vegiVamp> Hunchback: either fdisk -l <device> or cat /proc/partitions
[12:23] <vegiVamp> ok, that one nuked his disk :-)
[12:24] <znh> but kubuntu is ubuntu with the wm named KDE right?
[12:25] <kasim> znh: yes
[12:25] <thoreauputic> znh: strictly speaking KDE is the KDE desktop running on the kwin window manager
[12:26] <thoreauputic> gnome runs on the metacity window manager
[12:26] <thoreauputic> but that's slightly pedantic ;-)
[12:27] <znh> ah yes I understand, gnome has as default gdm, and Kde has as default kdm :-)
[12:27] <thoreauputic> hmm - those are display managers (login managers)
[12:27] <znh> I know
[12:27] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[12:27] <znh> :-D
[12:28] <znh> hmm I love the programming code expect
[12:28] <thoreauputic> znh: it's quite possible for example to run gnome with sawfish or openbox as window managers
[12:29] <znh> thoreauputic: yes I noticed that.. quite funny if they overlap each other xD
[12:29] <znh> but gnome is so damn slow.. I can't understand how people can work with a microsoft acting machine like that
[12:29] <thoreauputic> heh
[12:30] <thoreauputic> znh: I use fluxbox mostly anyway
[12:30] <znh> hm fluxbox, yea that one is extreamly fast
[12:30] <znh> but they should enhance the navigation in fluxbox
[12:31] <P3L|C4N0> IceWM
[12:31] <P3L|C4N0> ;)
[12:31] <znh> yea, that should be a default for low-end machines!
[12:31] <thoreauputic> znh: what do you mean by "navigation" ?
[12:32] <znh> thoreauputic: well, the navigation for e.g. starting a program
[12:32] <P3L|C4N0> IceWM it goes to be including in Ubuntu Lite
[12:32] <thoreauputic> znh: it's just a right-click menu - fine as far as I can see
[12:32] <znh> thoreauputic: I prefer buttons.. if they would exist in fluxbox - I'll be a fluxbox user
[12:33] <thoreauputic> znh: you can also set up your own keyboard combos to launch anything you wish
[12:33] <znh> :-O
[12:33] <znh> hm
[12:33] <thoreauputic> ah - a buttons man :)
[12:33] <znh> keyboard combo's is extreamly cool
[12:34] <znh> qvwm is the most lighweight wm there is I bet
[12:34] <thoreauputic> znh: there are actually several programs to make icons on a fluxbox desktop if you want them
[12:34] <znh> thoreauputic: really?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> but it seems a bit pointless - the DE 's like KDE do it better
[12:34] <thoreauputic> yes really :)
[12:35] <znh> yea the navigation in KDE is very god
[12:35] <znh> *good - lol
[12:35] <DJ_Necrogami> God too
[12:35] <DJ_Necrogami> :-P
[12:35] <znh> xD
[12:35] <znh> *godlike ;-)
[12:36] <znh> No such valid string
[12:36] <thoreauputic> nihilism, eh ? *grin*
[12:36] <DJ_Necrogami> KDE > Gnome > Windows
[12:36] <znh> "Keyboard not found press F1 to continue" ... I love my bios
[12:36] <thoreauputic> haha
[12:37] <DJ_Necrogami> HAHA thats awesome
[12:37] <znh> they learned that from windows.. windows gives that sort of messages too
[12:37] <DJ_Necrogami> haha
[12:38] <znh> "There has been not detected any supported PS/2 Mouse, Press OK to continue"
[12:38] <DJ_Necrogami> who's your mobo maker?
[12:38] <znh> MSI
[12:38] <thoreauputic> znh: windows would probably say "Keyboard not found - press F1 to read license terms"
[12:38] <znh> MS-6330.. yea with the prefix from Microsoft :-(
[12:38] <znh> thoreauputic: :-D!
[12:39] <znh> microsoft made a new validation tool to find out If users has got a legal/ilegal windows version
[12:39] <znh> my dad and my bro are ruined now :-P
[12:40] <znh> I bet the linux channels get larger now by this
[12:41] <znh> lol..
[12:41] <znh> thoreauputic: qvwm is a good wm for ex window users
[12:41] <znh> anyways I got this motherboard http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/K7Tturbo2.htm
[12:41] <thoreauputic> Windows: the only OS where you press start when you really want to stop
[12:41] <znh> Waahahaaa
[12:42] <DJ_Necrogami> lol
[12:42] <znh> Mounting 		6 mounting holes.
[12:42] <znh> what the heck is that supposted to be
[12:42] <znh> oh nevermind -_-'
[12:43] <znh> Special Features		          Fuzzy Logic 3
[12:43] <znh> that explains all
[12:43] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:43] <znh> MSI K7T Turbo2 is Microsoft Windows XP certified.
[12:43] <znh> :-(
[12:44] <thoreauputic> all your mobo are belong to us!
[12:44] <znh> Bill Borg
[12:44] <znh> resistance is futile
[12:45] <DJ_Necrogami> ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe = Linux Certified :-D ... lol
[12:45] <znh> xD
[12:45] <thoreauputic> znh: some guy told me the "new" VISTA stands for Various Improvements Similar To Apple ;)
[12:46] <znh> wow.. that is just perfect
[12:46] <znh> that's how microsoft started anyway :-/
[12:47] <DJ_Necrogami> lol
[12:48] <znh> they already have laywers against then
[12:50] <blehdi> JayParadise: tset
[12:51] <znh> LuncH!
[01:08] <n> I'm running kubuntu w/ KDE 3.4.2 - why does it sometimes error 'Eject /dev/hdd failed' (my CDROM drive) when no open programs are using any files off that drive? How do i fix this?
[01:08] <n> I have to end the session to eject it!
[01:09] <m0ns00n> eject -f shoud do it I think
[01:09] <m0ns00n> oh
[01:09] <m0ns00n> You didn't have a window open which showed a directory listing?
[01:09] <n> nope
[01:09] <m0ns00n> (I know it's corny that that has anything to do with it)
[01:09] <m0ns00n> Then it must be a runaway process
[01:09] <m0ns00n> Or a konqueror session that crashed
[01:11] <n> no konq errors have occured- how might I locate the runaway process? This is some long-standing bug in KDE then?
[01:14] <n> eject -f /dev/hdd doesn't work either- says its busy
[01:15] <Hunchback> ok people, i need some help
[01:15] <Hunchback> i need to mount my ntfs drive
[01:15] <Hunchback> but i don't know how to check my partition table and what the commands are to mount ntfs drives
[01:16] <n> more mounting probs eh? ;)
[01:16] <Hunchback> yea
[01:16] <n> hunch: Look at /etc/fstab
[01:17] <n> hunch: you dual boot XP + Linux?
[01:17] <m0ns00n> n: It's a problem - I've had the same thing. Looks like there's an unfixed bug in the linux kernel somewhere. I dunno
[01:17] <m0ns00n> n: Anyhow, it can happen - I've had the same problem and the only thing that fixed for me was a reboot.
[01:17] <Hunchback> N:yes
[01:18] <m0ns00n> n: That was on Gentoo with a 2.4 kernel, I've also had the problem with 2.6 - I didn't file a bug report or anything though
[01:18] <n> monsoon: For read/write access you need to setup up something called captivefs- never tried it
[01:18] <m0ns00n> ok
[01:18] <m0ns00n> Me neither, I'd expect it to just work
[01:18] <m0ns00n> Apparantly it doesn't
[01:18] <m0ns00n> Kubuntu hasn't failed me yet though
[01:18] <n> sorry. that last post was meant for hunch
[01:18] <m0ns00n> ok
[01:20] <Skaag> Is it possible that gaim is old in ubuntu?
[01:20] <Skaag> 1.1.4 instead of 1.4.0
[01:20] <Hunchback> n: yeah, i do XP + linux
[01:20] <Hunchback> but i have 2 hdds
[01:20] <Hunchback> and multiple partitions
[01:20] <n> m0ns00n: It absolutely AMAZES me that this bug is still there. Apparently 1000s of developers have been working on making Linux/KDE a viable desktop environment and the latest KDE still can't eject a CD with error. Oh dear!
[01:21] <znh> n: just unmount the cdrom, then it will eject
[01:22] <Hunchback> so...
[01:22] <Hunchback> advice me how to see my partition table so i can atleast know which drive to mount where
[01:22] <n> znh: nope. As root 'umount /dev/hdd' and it says its busy- what program is using I have no idea. I can't work it out.
[01:23] <znh> n: try /dev/cdrom
[01:23] <m0ns00n> znh: That would imply that we're stupid
[01:23] <m0ns00n> :-)
[01:23] <m0ns00n> znh: It doesn't unmount
[01:23] <n> hunch: type 'df' at the console
[01:23] <m0ns00n> n: Should work with eject -f / -F
[01:23] <znh> why doesn't it unmount?
[01:24] <m0ns00n> n: But didn't for me, but as I said, haven't had this problem in kubuntu
[01:24] <m0ns00n> znh: You tell me
[01:24] <m0ns00n> :-D
[01:24] <_stage> hey. what command is used to list shares that I can mount with smbmount?
[01:24] <znh> smbclient -l \\hostname
[01:24] <_stage> ty
[01:24] <znh> yw
[01:24] <n> mons: -f command doesn't make any difference. Still says its busy. Must be some KDE background process then?
[01:24] <Hunchback> come on, someone help me :)
[01:24] <buz> or smb:// in konqi
[01:24] <znh> _stage: requires permissions on that machine
[01:25] <n> hunch: type df to see all your partitions
[01:25] <Hunchback> doh
[01:26] <Hunchback> lol
[01:26] <znh> n: and with the lazy flag ?
[01:26] <n> znh: wtf lazy flag?
[01:26] <Hunchback> um
[01:26] <znh> n: -l
[01:26] <Hunchback> n: it shows just 2
[01:27] <Hunchback> not my partitions table
[01:27] <Hunchback> but what's mounted
[01:27] <Hunchback> i want to see the table
[01:27] <znh> cat /etc/fstab
[01:27] <Hunchback> same
[01:28] <znh> what do you mean by table..
[01:28] <Hunchback> well
[01:28] <Hunchback> i need to see the list of drives and partitions
[01:28] <Hunchback> like fdisk would show it
[01:28] <znh> Hunchback: try lspci
[01:28] <n> znh: no luck with -l either. I'll probably have to end the session to eject the damn thing again :(
[01:28] <znh> n: that's kinda stupid indeed
[01:28] <Hunchback> so i can know if i have to mount hda2 or hda3 etc... i know my drives by size so i can judje what's what
[01:29] <znh> Hunchback: lspci :-)
[01:29] <znh> won't help you lol duh
[01:29] <n> There are loads of optical drive problems with Hoary though- I hope CDs and DVDs will be accessed at full speed and eject properly out of the box in Breezy!
[01:29] <znh> ...
[01:30] <znh> I can eject my cdrom player
[01:30] <znh> I didn't access it via konquer
[01:30] <znh> :-D
[01:31] <n> If I kill the konq thread thats going to get rid of half the desktop innit?
[01:31] <n> i've not got any konq windows open tho
[01:32] <znh> omg.. I still can't understand.. there are 2,8 milion people connected to edonkey servers xD
[01:32] <n> znh: eh? and?
[01:32] <znh> n: that's kinda much :-)
[01:33] <znh> and the FBI/CIA does nothing
[01:34] <n> znh: thats probably because they're not bothered or they actually WANT the music/video industries to crash
[01:34] <znh> n: I agree with them then, it's too expensive
[01:34] <n> but then again, some studies have reported that p2p users buy more music than those who don't
[01:35] <n> use p2p
[01:35] <znh> :-)
[01:35] <buz> why should the fbi be bothered about p2p?
[01:35] <znh> watch out with your advices..
[01:35] <buz> doesn't really hurt anyone
[01:35] <buz> i'll stick to it, people wouldn't buy more music if there was no p2p
[01:35] <znh> they would ;-)
[01:35] <n> I'm a musician myself, and I support edonkey as I want to see commercial music die
[01:36] <znh> n: Haha!
[01:36] <buz> i pay for something that has value
[01:36] <buz> i.e. concerts
[01:36] <buz> cds have no value
[01:36] <n> buz: thats right. musicians will still be able to earn a living off touring- if they're any good, of course
[01:36] <buz> something that can be duplicated nearly infinitely for zero cost should be  sold at nearly zero cost
[01:37] <znh> I buy music when I want it in some higher quality
[01:37] <buz> that happens rarely for me
[01:37] <buz> most is such crap that it simply isnt worth to btoher
[01:37] <n> bang on
[01:37] <znh> :-/
[01:38] <n> I'm eagerly awaiting amule 2.1 - kademelia support!
[01:38] <znh> n: why don't you use mldonkey, it's even more lightweight with his many GUI's
[01:38] <znh> n: mldonkey supports from bittorrent to edonkey (including kadmelia)
[01:39] <n> znh: couldn't get it to work last time i tried
[01:39] <znh> n: there's a source package that works perfectly
[01:40] <n> why is it better than amule- does it access soulseek too?
[01:40] <znh> yea
[01:40] <znh> It's so extreamly lightweight, amule is very much asking
[01:40] <n> so the mldonkey in hoary is a bit dodgy then?
[01:41] <znh> I never trust binary's that has something to do with p2p
[01:41] <n> why?
[01:41] <znh> because there can be other code in it
[01:42] <n> what other code?
[01:42] <znh> any
[01:42] <n> i don't understan
[01:42] <znh> well they could have edit the code, and build a binary of it
[01:43] <n> you saying that the debian/ubuntu maintainers might add some evil hack to p2p progs
[01:43] <znh> that could be possible
[01:43] <n> I think you're being a bit too paranoid there
[01:43] <znh> I agree
[01:44] <znh> but that's just how I am
[01:44] <n> Have you anything to back up your suspicions?
[01:44] <znh> sorry I don't understand that last word
[01:46] <n> suspicion = The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof
[01:46] <n> unfounded beliefs
[01:47] <znh> well.. I like my life..
[01:48] <znh> anything that might ruin it puts my gaurds up
[01:48] <znh> my gaurds = my shields or something
[01:49] <znh> but maybe Iam a bit paranoid
[02:14] <n> Any kubuntu devs here?
[02:16] <n> Why doesn't kubuntu come with ksysv as standard and why isn't kcontrolcentre in the default K menu??
[02:16] <iuliux> do u have kde 3.4.2?
[02:17] <iuliux> the kcontrol problem is a resolt of updatind to kde 3.4.2
[02:18] <iuliux> you have to add it yourself with the kmenu editor
[02:18] <iuliux> just add kcontrol
[02:18] <iuliux> and save
[02:18] <iuliux> *updating
[02:19] <n> iuliux: yeah, thats right!
[02:19] <iuliux> glad to help
[02:20] <n> I can't kill the gam_server with the KDE process manager- suppose I'll have to do it as root from the prompt then eh? How do I do that?
[02:21] <n> list processes, and kill a process
[02:21] <n> services, or whatever I'm talking about :)
[02:22] <n> I need to permanently get rid of this gam_server really so  can eject CDs without hassle in the future
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can kiill it from konsole
[02:24] <n> how? How do I remove it permanently?
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> depending how it launches you may or may not be albe to turn it off permanantly with ease
[02:24] <n> What? This is why I dumped windows- thought I could change anything under Linux!
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> in konsole type "ps aux |grep gam_server" and "sudo kill *****" where *** is the process number
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> n you can... just wether ei can help is the question
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *wether i
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> or you can try sudo killall gam_server
[02:26] <n> Whoop! I've just managed to eject a CD! Amazing desktop Linux 2005 eh?
[02:26] <n> Thanks Kamping!
[02:27] <n> Now what about telling gam_server to do one permanently?
[02:28] <n> I really don't think I have any use for it, do I?
[02:29] <n> I wish to vanquish my box of the evil gam_server- anyone?
[02:30] <n> I couldn't see gam_server listed under ksysv
[02:33] <thoreauputic> n: permanently killing gam will result in some weird stuff (like directories not refreshing automatically after changes IIRC)
[02:34] <n> thor: oh cack! I can't recommend anybody switch to Linux with this sort of shite still going down :(
[02:34] <thoreauputic> it's the replacement for fam ( File Alteration Monitor) I think
[02:35] <n> Hopefully KDE 3.5 will feature 'Now ejects CDs when you want'!
[02:35] <thoreauputic> n: try this for CD eject problems :  sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject   (works for me (tm) )
[02:36] <n> thor: Cool! Just did that! hope that will solve me probs!
[02:36] <thoreauputic> n: the command I just gave will make eject think it is running with root privileges - and it's permanent
[02:37] <thoreauputic> some would regard it as a security risk, by the way
[02:38] <n> security schmurity! Whos gonna be bothered hacking into my box- theres f^& all of any interest. I'd much rather be able to eject a disk without reading volumes on unix
[02:39] <thoreauputic> reading volumes on unix will help you avoid tearing your hair out, however ;-)
[02:41] <n> Oh! I'd love to if I had the time to spare. The whole point of KDE though is that its supposed to shield me from all that and just let me get on with using my frickin' PC to do something productive. Desktop Linux ain't here yet!
[02:43] <n> Anyway, thats my daily does of Linux bitching over with now- gotta eat! :)
[02:43] <n> umm, dose
[03:12] <lesshaste> hi... what kernel is in the latest live cd?
[03:12] <lesshaste> anyone in?
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:13] <jpatrick> I am
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2.6.10-5 is the default i think
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> it could be 2.6.8
[03:14] <lesshaste> ah.. ok thx
[03:14] <lesshaste> I need 2.6.12
[03:15] <pax> you want Breezy Badger (Colony CD 2) then
[03:20] <lesshaste> thx very much
[03:21] <sociopath> live is 2.6.10-5
[03:23] <pax> live what, kubuntu?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> or Ubuntu
[03:26] <znh> hmm are there variants for vmware?
[03:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> qemu
[03:26] <znh> !
[03:26] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack?
[03:27] <znh> ubotu: do you?
[03:27] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack?
[03:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[03:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[03:27] <jpatrick> brb
[03:28] <znh> what's wrong with that bot
[03:28] <znh> I didn't say anything..
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> you went !
[03:28] <znh> xD
[03:28] <metellius> is there any way to remove openoffice 1.1 without removing kubuntu-desktop? i'm interested in upgrading to openoffice 2
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> metellius: no
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can install 2.0, but you loose the mettapackage
[03:30] <metellius> metapackage?
[03:30] <znh> are there more variants?
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> znh. what do you mean
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> metellius: it is a virtual package
[03:30] <znh> I'm searching a variant for vmware
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you install the one virtual package it installs a whole heap of real pakcages
[03:31] <znh> nevermind anywa
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> znh do you mean a virtual machine or mvware varients
[03:32] <metellius> but I actually can't upgrade, I'll have to have both 1.1 and 2.0 installed?
[03:33] <armin> hello, please help
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can remove Kubuntu-dekstop, it's just the pakckages that rely on it are the problem
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> metellius: i have both
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> armin: about what?
[03:35] <znh> omg need cookies
[03:35] <znh> faaast
[03:37] <pax> !find cookietool
[03:37] <ubotu> cookietool: (A team of programs to help you maintain your cookie database), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 2.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
[03:37] <armin> my Kubuntu has seriously stuffed up
[03:37] <jpatrick> how?
[03:37] <armin> i'm in the mid of burning a dvd so i dont want to restart
[03:38] <jpatrick> so don't
[03:38] <armin> everything on the screen is like colour static, but in colour
[03:39] <jpowers> armin: have you tried ctrl+alt+f7?
[03:40] <armin> only like a few things work like the menu and the input txt box, I have to copy this conversation to openoffice to read it
[03:41] <armin> it does nothing
[03:43] <armin> wait, i pressed ctrl+alt+f8 then ctrl+alt+f7, and now it looks alright. THANK YOU
[03:44] <robert> how can I configure kubuntu that it uses subfs or something like it. thats the only problem that keeps me from installing it on normal user computers. I install currently suse as it work with usb sticks really good.
[03:45] <void-> Is there a way to see which process that uses a alsa-device?
[03:45] <lesshaste> hi... anyone tried the "ATI Proprietary Linux x86_64 Driver 8.13.4 for Radeon Xpress 200 Series" drivers?
[03:46] <armin> can anyone help me with downloading/installing wine on kubunu?
[03:46] <metellius> so... how do I start openoffice 2? 'openoffice' is for the old version...
[03:46] <metellius> armin: sudo apt-get install wine
[03:48] <armin> Reading package lists... Done
[03:48] <armin> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:48] <armin> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:48] <armin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:48] <armin> is only available from another source
[03:48] <armin> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[03:49] <metellius> armin: do you have the universe repository available?
[03:49] <jpatrick> have you enabled backports, etc...
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> wine is in the standard repos
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> just nto sure where
[03:50] <armin> i just installed the system from cd, first time running, only expirience with linux is knoppix
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> try asking ubunto
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ubotu
[03:51] <armin> and my sound never worked, with kubuntu or knoppix
[03:52] <jpatrick> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <jpatrick> I hate Wine
[03:54] <armin> is there anything else to use for win apps
[03:54] <jpatrick> CrossOver Office (non-free)
[03:54] <metellius> sorry to say this, but if you want win-apps, use windows.
[03:55] <jpatrick> I just stay away from ANY Win apps
[03:55] <metellius> armin: run alsamixer in console, make sure that a device called "extern" (or something like that) is muted. i had that problem on my laptop
[03:56] <armin> my system did it again, most of the frames on konqueror, and everywhere else just turned to fuzz, mainly pink
[03:56] <`Nomad> Good morning all :)    How do I find out the specific name of a package I have installed?  I'm used to doing an rpm -qa | grep package_name
[03:57] <jpatrick> why not change the rpm to deb ? :)
[03:57] <`Nomad> pink fuzz?  You might hav eteh Paris Hilton theme installed
[03:57] <`Nomad> ;)
[03:57] <armin> hahaha
[03:58] <`Nomad> jpatrick:  I installed quake2 yesterday using apt-get.  Now trying to remove it with all dependencies
[03:58] <`Nomad> I'm pretty sure there was a quake2-maps or something..
[03:58] <`Nomad> can't figure it out
[03:58] <armin> it keeps on happening...
[03:59] <`Nomad> armin: Is it your video card failing?
[04:00] <armin> it might be, this is the first time i've installed linux on my system. its an nvidia card
[04:01] <`Nomad> Did you install the nvidia drivers from nvidia directly?
[04:01] <armin> i didnt install anything
[04:01] <`Nomad> ok, so just plain defaults..
[04:01] <`Nomad> I'm no expert, but I find that things are better for me once I install the nvidia drivers..
[04:02] <`Nomad> nvidia cards here too
[04:03] <`Nomad> armin: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23739.html
[04:03] <armin> alright, will try
[04:03] <`Nomad> but it may be that your video card is screwey. I think that the drawing functions are handled by the card and not by software
[04:04] <armin> just what was metellius talking about run alsamixer in console, make sure that a device called "extern" (or something like that) is muted.
[04:04] <`Nomad> so if you consistently get fuzzy frames no matter what you do? Probably is the card..  Sounds like that to me anyway ;)
[04:04] <armin> alright thank you! :D
[04:05] <armin> lol i know i'm hounding you with lots of newbie questions
[04:06] <`Nomad> We,re all newbies :)
[04:06] <`Nomad> at different levels
[04:06] <armin> i've gotta go
[04:06] <armin> maybe be back...
[04:06] <armin> seeya
[04:07] <aspex> irgendwelche deutschen hier?
[04:07] <`Nomad> nein
[04:07] <aspex> hm... nein? sicher? :-)
[04:07] <`Nomad> no idea.. LOL
[04:08] <aspex> hm
[04:08] <`Nomad> I was trying to say no
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> aspex: i don't have enough to help ;)
[04:08] <aspex> kk :-(
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> tryed Kubuntu-de?
[04:08] <aspex> ah, good idea, thx
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[04:09] <`Nomad> so, back to my question.. :)   How do I list the packages I have installed on my system.  I'm used to rpm, this is new to me
[04:09] <`Nomad> I want to see what quake* packages I have installed
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> `Nomad: using dpkg --get-selection |grep quake
[04:09] <`Nomad> thanks
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, wasnt around for your question ;)
[04:10] <aspex> oh: [403]  kubuntu-de That channel doesn't exist <-- not good :-(
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> try #Ubuntu-de, and say there's no Kubuntu channel... or try and ask here
[04:11] <aspex> ok, thx ^^
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not a lot happening now
[04:17] <woody> hello
[04:20] <edvardas> hello
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:21] <morodo> ola
[04:21] <morodo> soy novato
[04:22] <`Nomad> Kamping_Kaiser `Nomad: using dpkg --get-selection(s) |grep quake  <---  missing an s  ;)
[04:22] <morodo> alguien ke me ayude
[04:22] <morodo> y ke sepa espaol
[04:22] <morodo> please
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> `Nomad: sorry :S
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> morodo: Ubuntu-es or Kubuntu-es
[04:22] <`Nomad> Kamping_Kaiser: Just in case others were taking notes. hehe
[04:22] <`Nomad> thanks
[04:22] <`Nomad> worked fine
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> `Nomad: no, thanks for the corrction :)
[04:30] <`Nomad> The forums are excellent, very helpful.  I just followed one thread on compiling and installing the mplayer plugin. Works great :)
[04:30] <`Nomad> I'm really geting to like this Kubuntu :)
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) kdes not my thing, just feels wrong
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> but if it floats your boat go for it
[04:32] <`Nomad> but, with so many Ks in your name???  lol
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> haha.
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> different reason
[04:32] <apokryphos> `Nomad: yup, sounds like another case of a closet-kde-devoutee ;-)
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:36] <`Nomad> :D
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> `Nomad: what time is it at your place?
[04:37] <Sgeo> What version of KDE is on the regular Kubuntu LiveCD?
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> whaever comes with the install, sorry i don't know which though
[04:40] <Sgeo> After I install Kubuntu, can I upgrade KDE?
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:40] <apokryphos> Sgeo: current is 3.4.2. Hoary had 3.4.0
[04:41] <Sgeo> What are the differences?
[04:41] <apokryphos> Bufixes
[04:41] <Sgeo> No interface change?
[04:41] <apokryphos> not really
[04:41] <Sgeo> *obvious
[04:41] <Sgeo> ty
[04:52] <`Nomad> 11:52.. Sorry was away enjoying the mplayer-plugin at atoms-film :)
[04:52] <`Nomad> AM
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not far off me
[04:53] <`Nomad> I'm in Canada's east coast
[04:53] <`Nomad> trying to learn to swim for when the glaciers ar edone melting
[04:54] <`Nomad> you're in Kanada?
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm in central Australia, it's 00:24 here :)
[04:54] <`Nomad> lol
[04:54] <`Nomad> I'd love to visit Australia
[04:54] <`Nomad> I might one day, found thi skewl site yesterday, http://www.couchsurfing.com
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol cool
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, helping people :S
[05:00] <`Nomad> KK: Well thanks for your help, time for me to move along :)
[05:00] <`Nomad> bye all
[05:00] <`Nomad> great channel
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[05:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: how are you today?
[05:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: tired
[05:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: just walked about 5 miles to buy a dsl modem
[05:06] <apokryphos> Gah. Hope you didn't have to pay too much there
[05:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: 5.6 is all i get, but its significantly more than 2 :P
[05:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: 49 from pc world :/
[05:06] <apokryphos> Nice
[05:06] <apokryphos> :|
[05:06] <apokryphos> I can get a fair idea of how much things cost at a computer market I go to. I just take a third of the PC-World price
[05:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, the way i see it, i'll have a spare dsl modem when bulldog's gets here...
[05:07] <apokryphos> I remember once we really needed a data-cable (ones that connect HD to motherboard), and it was 16 at PCWorld, and 3 at CM
[05:07] <apokryphos> Yeah, that's true. New speed feels good, don't it? ;)
[05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was that or argos
[05:07] <nikkia> and argos wanted 79 for a wlan/dsl modem
[05:07] <apokryphos> hehe, Argos is classic
[05:08] <nikkia> hmmm
[05:08] <nikkia> this pre-owned xbox game i bought freezes at the loading screen
[05:09] <apokryphos> Was that from 5 miles away too?
[05:09] <nikkia> no, that was 10 miles away, the pc world was a 2.5 mile walk from the town i went to
[05:10] <apokryphos> Also, how'd you know that your BB was up-n-running? Did they tell you?
[05:10] <nikkia> status on my order page turned to 'delivery complete'
[05:10] <apokryphos> ah
[05:11] <apokryphos> In other news, the manager has proved his supreme organising skill by allowing 5 (half of) the workers to go on Annual Leave :|
[05:11] <nikkia> heh
[05:11] <apokryphos> had to scrounge around today for someone to do the early shift; I nearly had to end up doing it :|
[05:12] <apokryphos> 18 hours of LoTR can drag on a bit, I'd imagine :P
[05:12] <apokryphos> actually, probably would've finished it before then.
[05:13] <apokryphos> Gotta go out for a bit; bbl
[05:31] <znh> i'm wondering.. is there a keyboard shortcut to iconify everything?
[05:42] <maceow> quick question to the forum...is there a quick way to add shortcuts to specific file locations on the desktop? For instance, shortcuts to /home or /etc.
[05:43] <maceow> I'm sorry, specific folder locations, not file.
[06:13] <Skaag> anyone knows if there's a deb package of the latest GAIM?
[06:13] <Skaag> (version 1.4)
[06:14] <Choubaka> gaim.sf.net?
[06:28] <spatialguru> hi all
[06:29] <spatialguru> going to install kubuntu, so many friends are raving about it.
[06:29] <spatialguru> But I'm a bit stuck at the moment, I don't have any blank CD's.  I have the bootable install iso though.  Can I setu pmy boot loader (grub) to boot from the iso file on my hard drive?  Any ideas?
[06:39] <jjesse> i thought there was, need to google it
[06:41] <spatialguru> jjesse, thanks, I'm already looking..
[06:43] <jpowers> wow
[06:43] <jpowers> that's a really great idea
[06:47] <jjesse> spatialguru i think you could do a network install off a floppy disk
[06:48] <jjesse> sorry can't find any information right now
[06:49] <spatialguru> title Kubuntu Install CD
[06:49] <spatialguru>     kernel (hd1,5)/src/distro/kubuntu/install/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb6 vga=0x31a splash=silent desktop resume=/dev/hdb5 showopts
[06:50] <spatialguru> doesn't seem to do it.  Oh well..
[06:52] <nikkia> spatialguru: is hd1 the cdrom ?
[06:53] <nikkia> oh, wait, i see
[06:53] <nikkia> no, it is very unlikely to work, grub doesn't do cdrom emulation :P
[06:53] <spatialguru> arg.  that's what I keep reading :)
[06:54] <spatialguru> But these are actual files on my ext2 filesystem/harddrive, not just the iso image.  I gave on the that already :)
[06:55] <paines> hi
[06:55] <paines> are there any german users in here who know what to "set correctly" so that konversation display german umlauts ?
[06:56] <paines> ups
[06:56] <paines> found it
[07:00] <Riggzy> Darn, trying to run a program I just compiled and I keep getting a "Floating point exception" error... ah well, it *is* v0.2  ;-)
[07:00] <lscd> which program?
[07:00] <Riggzy> FLash4Linux
[07:00] <Riggzy> http://f4l.sf.net
[07:01] <lscd> ahh
[07:02] <lscd> ehh, not precisely
[07:03] <Riggzy> Where could i start to debug this?
[07:03] <Riggzy> It's hardly a helpful error ;-)
[07:07] <nikkia> riggzy, rebuild it with debugging info and run it within gdb
[07:10] <Riggzy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/326929
[07:10] <Riggzy> (just ran it in gdb without rebuilding, at least it gave some more useful info ;-) )
[07:18] <bwb> Hi... what is the proper package to play mp3's in Kubuntu (i.e. whatever would be the backend for amarok)
[07:18] <nmsa> anyone using ipcheck ? when I run ipcheck --makedat nothing happends
[07:19] <jpatrick> bwb: sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg
[07:20] <bwb> jpatrick: thanks
[07:20] <jpatrick> :)
[07:20] <bwb> jpatrick: btw is there any kde equivalent of gstreamer... and a respective media player.. or should I just use something with xine/mplayer as the backend?
[07:21] <jpatrick> I just use amaroK
[07:21] <bhna> kaffeine
[07:21] <bhna> kmplayer
[07:21] <bhna> kplayer
[07:22] <bwb> bhna: I was asking more specifically about the backend
[07:22] <bhna> arts is the kde backend
[07:22] <bwb> for just audio or for both audio and video?
[07:23] <bhna> there is no real equivalent for gstreamer
[07:23] <bwb> k
[07:23] <bhna> but you can use gsteamer as backend for kaffeine
[07:24] <bwb> ah
[07:24] <bhna> and for amarok
[07:28] <edvardas> how to mount a hd?
[07:29] <jpatrick> click on it
[07:30] <edvardas> but it says that it couldn't mount because it is not in fstab
[07:30] <jpatrick> :-/
[07:30] <edvardas> but i entered it to fstab... and there seems to be everything ok
[07:30] <edvardas> but it doesn't mount anyway
[07:31] <wellso> hi ppl
[07:31] <edvardas> hi wellso
[07:32] <bhna> edvardas: what drive is it?
[07:32] <jpatrick> Is it safe to upgrade the kernel?
[07:33] <bhna> jpatrick: sometimes maybe
[07:33] <jpatrick> :-/
[07:33] <edvardas> bhna: it's hdb1
[07:33] <bhna> edvardas: what is the mountpoint?
[07:34] <edvardas> fat32?
[07:34] <edvardas> :}
[07:35] <bhna> mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /your mountpoint
[07:35] <bhna> mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /media/windows???
[07:36] <edvardas> i should typer /media/hdb1?
[07:36] <edvardas> because there are no windows
[07:36] <bhna> is there a directory hdb1?
[07:36] <edvardas> mhm yeah
[07:36] <bhna> mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[07:37] <edvardas> big thanks :}
[07:38] <bhna> edvardas: man mount could you give some more help ;-)
[07:40] <edvardas> :}
[08:10] <sadf> hi folks
[08:11] <sadf> i have a question : im currently trying to install kubuntu, and when i enter linux [...]  at the boot prompt it hangs at '...nic-extra-modules...', and when i enter expert i get no possiblity to patitionate the hard disk. so is it possible to call the partitioner from expert install mode?
[08:13] <sadf> and if yes, how?
[08:14] <sadf> or is it possible to boot with 'linux' at the boot prompt but not loading certain modules, e.g. the nic-extra-modules?
[08:14] <sadf> please help someone, i'm not far away from suicide
[08:15] <paines> sadf, iirc there is an option in ther instller no to load extra modules
[08:15] <sadf> where?
[08:16] <sadf> in expert or normal mode?
[08:16] <paines> when the disk loads you can chosse between linux and expert
[08:16] <sadf> yes
[08:16] <paines> and if you press f1 to f-something you can read about the options
[08:16] <sadf> yes i did that
[08:17] <sadf> ok i look again if i find something
[08:17] <sadf> hm there is nothing about loading modules...
[08:18] <paines> hang on
[08:19] <Zactivix> hallo0
[08:20] <paines> sadf: is it hanging like this : "Loading Components of the Ubuntu Installer" screen at 34%
[08:21] <sadf> yes, the component is nic-modules-extra....(i forgot the version number)
[08:21] <Zactivix> where can I get a good FTP program for Kubuntu?
[08:21] <sadf> Zactivix, try gftp (if you need a client)
[08:22] <Zactivix> one came w/DSL, would would think Kubuntu would have one :\
[08:22] <Zactivix> gftp in Konsole?
[08:22] <sadf> well, in the console you can use ftp
[08:22] <Hamster> nikkia, are you about?
[08:23] <Hamster> _nikkia: I was just looking for you :)
[08:23] <_nikkia> how on earth am i on twice ?
[08:23] <Zactivix> where can I get gftp, sadf?
[08:23] <sadf> paines, it is nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di
[08:23] <JakubS_> Zactivix: or just type ftp url in konqueror or any 'open file' dialog
[08:23] <sadf> Zactivix, you can apt-get it
[08:23] <sadf> apt-get install gftp
[08:23] <Hamster> _nikkia: what was the name of that file you have to edit to get kcontrol back in the kmenu again?
[08:24] <Zactivix> aha
[08:24] <Zactivix> lemme try that
[08:24] <paines> sadf: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1022.html, there are a few people who had the same problem
[08:24] <nikkia> hamster, erm, eh?
[08:24] <sadf> paines, thank you very much :)
[08:24] <paines> sadf: there is also a suggestoipn how to get it wqorking
[08:24] <paines> sadf:good luck
[08:24] <Hamster> nikkia: oh! I was certain it was you who told me that yesterday. My mistake then! :)
[08:25] <nikkia> the FAQ says 'see the documentation on how to setup DMZ'
[08:25] <nikkia> does the documentation mention how to setup DMZ? does it.....
[08:26] <Hamster> nikkia: sure, in chinese translated through russian in an appendix not provided by default
[08:26] <nikkia> hamster, it taunts me...
[08:26] <nikkia> the http config *has* stuff about the DMZ
[08:27] <nikkia> but only in reference as to how to filter packets to the DMZ, i cannot find where the DMZ IP  is set :(
[08:27] <sadf> paines, yes with the mkswap-trick it seems to work, thank you very much man you saved my life :)
[08:27] <Hamster> aaha. you have to hammer that in manually. with spaghetti
[08:27] <paines> sadf: no problem
[08:37] <Hamster> Why is it that with KDE 342 quite a few kde apps seem to be shipped with the kmenu display variable set to false?
[08:40] <apokryphos> Hamster: Kubuntu defaults, I guess
[08:40] <Hamster> apokryphos: does anyone else find it, well, odd?
[08:41] <apokryphos> Hamster: nah. No point in having the menus overcrowded
[08:41] <Hamster> Apps like KMail and KNode are installed, but their menu entry is set to false.. that's really confusing for a dumb person like me!
[08:41] <apokryphos> Hamster: no point, if you have Kontact
[08:42] <necrogami> Anyone here have Cisco Equipment w/ IOS Software? If so .. you should read this ... [14:11]  *dose* ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/michael_lynn_cisco_hole.pdf
[08:42] <Hamster> yeah, but my logic goes like this. I want an email reader, I install kmail, yet I can't run it cause there's no menu entry. To me, clicking on kontact is not a logical step to try at all..
[08:42] <_kay> Well, but that is what Kubuntu is about
[08:43] <gnajar> Anybody has imported mail into Kontact from Outlook Express??
[08:43] <_kay> Picking one of the breed and supporting it well
[08:43] <Hamster> what, being illogical, _kay ? :)
[08:43] <apokryphos> Hamster: There eventually is meant to be disambiguation things for situations like this
[08:43] <_kay> Well, the choice certainly is not necessarily logical.
[08:43] <_kay> But there is a choice...
[08:44] <apokryphos> Hamster: good thing about this is that it encourages you to discover the kdepim integration
[08:45] <Hamster> apokryphos: I guess, I just find it confusing.
[08:45] <apokryphos> understandable
[08:46] <apokryphos> Hamster: what's the name it gives for kontact?
[08:46] <Hamster> apokryphos: I spose too it's perhaps easier for a newcomer to adapt than an old fart like me. I've been doing it "another way" for far too long.
[08:46] <apokryphos> i.e. for KCalc I think it has "Scientific Calculator (KCalc)"
[08:46] <frederson> greetings all
[08:46] <Hamster> apokryphos: I've set my kmenu up so it displays "kontact personal information manager"
[08:46] <apokryphos> Hamster: your point is valid though; a n00b wouldn't know what Kontact is
[08:47] <apokryphos> Personal Information Manager might suggest it, but not really certain, I'd say
[08:47] <apokryphos> hi frederson :)
[08:47] <_kay> The point is absolutely valid... indeed
[08:47] <Hamster> apokryphos: to me (at least, I'm probably odd in this respect) a pim is little handheld device like a palm or something, and I don't own one of them, so I'm not even going to go poking round in an app I don't think is relevent.
[08:47] <_kay> Actually, I would assume an addressbook behin PIM
[08:48] <_kay> Not necessarily email, but I am not native English
[08:48] <_kay> The thing is, if it was named "Outlook only better", more people understood it
[08:48] <Hamster> _kay: I agree totally with your assessment. Address book, birthdays, little things like that is PIM
[08:48] <_kay> Historically, kmail was not in kdepim, but kdenetwork
[08:49] <apokryphos> _kay: ;-)
[08:49] <apokryphos> Mac is better for this, it seems to me. Mail is called..... Mail.
[08:49] <Hamster> _kay: absolutely. KNode too was in network
[08:49] <frederson> i'm having some video issues with my new kubuntu install. when my display manager starts at boot (i've tried kdm and gdm) my monitor goes out of range for a bit.
[08:49] <Hamster> I have no idea where knode is hidden now
[08:49] <_kay> Which made more sense, now, Mail is THE main application of kdepim, isn't it?
[08:49] <Hamster> frederson: is you xorg.conf file sane for your monitor?
[08:49] <_kay> For almost everybody?
[08:50] <apokryphos> _kay: not necessarily. KMail only joined pim recently in fact
[08:50] <_kay> And then, akgregator
[08:50] <Hamster> this is the first time I've seen kmail in pim, so it's all new to me.
[08:50] <_kay> How is that going to be personal information?
[08:50] <_tom> hi, could anyone tell me how to format a second hdd i've just added?
[08:50] <_kay> It's the "guilt" of upstream KDE though, Hamster
[08:51] <_kay> They made that for KDE 3.3 methinks.
[08:51] <Hamster> _tom have you partitioned it the way you want it?
[08:51] <_kay> And Kontact indeed is so good, you normally don't want to use KMail as a separate anymore
[08:51] <frederson> Hamster: it appears to have identified it correctly.
[08:51] <Hamster> _tom: partition and then use mke2fs to put either ext2, ext3 etc. see the man page if you want other filesystem types
[08:52] <Hamster> frederson: does it come right after the flicker?
[08:52] <_kay> mkfs _tom
[08:52] <Hamster> _kay: after playing with kontact these last few minutes, I can see what they've done seem to makes sense, it's just realising in the first place that email is accessed through kontact.
[08:52] <_kay> as a type I think people recommend ext3, _tom
[08:53] <_tom> thanks, i'll have a look...
[08:53] <_kay> Isn't it on kicker by default, Hamster?
[08:53] <frederson> Hamster: it's right when I would expect to see my login screen. I did notice a process running called "kdm_greet" is that relevant?
[08:54] <Hamster> _kay: yes, kontact is there, but it comes back to the idea that if I install kmail, and want to use kmail, then I go looking for a menu entry called kmail. I wouldn never have thought of clicking on kontact to get email, simply because kontact sounds like an address book organiser
[08:54] <_kay> you don't install kmail with Hoary, do you?
[08:54] <Hamster> frederson: I
[08:54] <_kay> It was already, not?
[08:55] <_kay> I hope, this will be addressed in the future, Hamster. The thing is "PIM" sounds professional.
[08:55] <_kay> And that the Kontact people want to be.
[08:55] <Hamster> _kay, yes it was installed automatically, but when I found kmail not listed in the menu, I checked with dpkg to make sure it was installed. I saw it was installed and that's when the confusion started
[08:55] <_kay> Well, you were confused by using other systems than Kubuntu.
[08:55] <Hamster> _kay: if you say so :-) I sounds like marketing speak to me, but I'm not representative of people in general.
[08:56] <_kay> In a way, you may say, that is not necessarily a problem of Kubuntu
[08:56] <Hamster> _kay: I've never been confused like this before with other systems :-))
[08:56] <_kay> Like some naive windows person may expect to find Outlook, because it means Email :)
[08:56] <Hamster> frederson: Does the login screen appear at all?
[08:56] <qbit> i used to use kmail/knode as separates, but the akregator news feeds integrated into kontact are what tipped me over to using it
[08:57] <Hamster> _kay: yeah :) But if you want to cater only to windoze users, you'd need to rename all your apps :-)
[08:57] <apokryphos> make them begin with W
[08:57] <_kay> hehe, wontact
[08:57] <_kay> KDE 4 will teach people those new names, I guess
[08:58] <apokryphos> Hamster: I guess the downloading and wanting to run it is another argument for checking the handbook ;-)
[08:58] <apokryphos> awareness of them just isn't nearly as high as it should be
[08:58] <Hamster> apokryphos: I spose.. I just didn't think I'd need a handbook to get an app going I've been using for years under deb :-)
[08:59] <gnajar> Hello !
[08:59] <_kay> I think, Kubuntu will in the future support "Task Agents".
[08:59] <frederson> Hamster: eventually. when it happened, i would always control/alt/F1 and make sure 2 weren't running or anything crazy, but I think it works after a few seconds
[08:59] <apokryphos> Hamster: you always use the menu? :|
[08:59] <_kay> You pick what you want to do and it explains how you do it and guides you through.
[08:59] <_kay> I personally prefer ALT-2 and typing kontact :)
[08:59] <Hamster> where has knode been hidden now?
[08:59] <_kay> +F
[09:00] <apokryphos> I don't have a kmenu at all...
[09:00] <Hamster> apokryphos: that's one way of doing things :)
[09:00] <apokryphos> It's useless :P
[09:00] <_kay> Well, people explore new, not known systems with menus first
[09:00] <_kay> So it makes sense for the default setup
[09:00] <apokryphos> Sure. But after some time ;-)
[09:01] <_kay> well, and not everybody prefers typing of course
[09:01] <Jwir3> Hey Everyone.  I am trying to install nvidia drivers for a friend of mine.  I always get confused as to what I have to do after installing the linux-source and linux-headers.  I know I have to untar them and then create a symlink or two...but to what directory?
[09:01] <paines> i just discovered that you can drag those nasty ladies from konqueror to the desktop and set it as wallpaper
[09:01] <paines> this is son windows and so cooooooooooool
[09:01] <_kay> And not everybody does do the same things all the time, like e.g. how do you know the games in KDE?
[09:01] <paines> yeah
[09:02] <_kay> son win?
[09:02] <Jwir3> paines: nasty ladies?
[09:02] <paines> so windows
[09:02] <_kay> porn??
[09:02] <paines> no
[09:02] <_kay> I am shocked :p
[09:02] <paines> just nice lingerie
[09:02] <apokryphos> hahaha
[09:02] <Hamster> Jwir3: the last time I installed the nvidia drivers I didn't have to create any links. The nvidia installer does it all. Just run it
[09:03] <Jwir3> Hamster: The problem I am having is that I downloaded the nvidia installer direct from nvidia itself
[09:03] <Hamster> drag n drop. wave of the future ;)
[09:03] <paines> apokryphos: me too, sine 2 minmutes ago
[09:03] <Hamster> Jwir3: yeah that's what I'm talking about. You should just unzip, and there's a .bin file you run
[09:03] <Jwir3> Hamster: nvm, I guess it works now that I installed the headers pkg
[09:03] <apokryphos> paines: you can find out a load of more "cool tips" from ktip, btw
[09:03] <paines> apokryphos: hahahha
[09:03] <_kay> And uncool, overages ones too :p
[09:03] <paines> okay
[09:04] <apokryphos> (really :P)
[09:04] <_kay> Not even lingerie may help there
[09:04] <paines> but now I had to get this netgear wlan usb stick working
[09:04] <apokryphos> i.e. Middle-Click on desktop
[09:04] <apokryphos> or Alt+F5
[09:04] <frederson> is there a repository that I can add to my sources.list that would allow me to apt-get Xfce?
[09:05] <apokryphos> !info xfce
[09:05] <ubotu> xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.18-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 907 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB
[09:05] <_kay> should ne in universe?!
[09:05] <apokryphos> frederson: enable Universe
[09:05] <Hamster> frederson: it's in my respositories and I've got nothing unusual...
[09:07] <frederson> i assume the instructions for doing so are on the website?
[09:07] <apokryphos> !repositories
[09:07] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[09:08] <apokryphos> just uncomment the line with "Universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:08] <apokryphos> then sudo apt-get update
[09:11] <_kay> Long live Kubuntu :p
[09:13] <Hamster> apokryphos: you mentioned before referring to a handbook, which handbook are you referring to?
[09:13] <master_of_puppet> hi, how do I get the "show desktop" icon in kde?
[09:13] <apokryphos> Hamster: i.e. kmail
[09:13] <apokryphos> Hamster: help:/kmail in Konqueror
[09:13] <apokryphos> master_of_puppet: right-click -> Add to Panel -> Special Button -> Desktop Access
[09:14] <master_of_puppet> apokryphos: thx
[09:17] <Hamster> apokryphos: the problem with the handbook (for kmail at least) is that it doesn't tell you how to actually access kmail. It just assumes you're running it.
[09:18] <apokryphos> if you don't know how to run an application then you should be in the userguide :)
[09:18] <_kay> well, common, it is NOT in the menu
[09:18] <Hamster> apokryphos: huh? I'm trying ot point out that running the kmail userguide doesn't tell you anywhere that to run it you have to run kontact...
[09:19] <Hamster> same with knode. Where's knode? It's help file doesn't tell me where kubuntu has hidden it :)
[09:19] <apokryphos> Hamster: no, I'm saying that if you don't know how to run an application (which is a basic presupposition I'd say), then you should be in the userguide, kde help.
[09:19] <_kay> What's missing is a task center in KDE.
[09:19] <Hamster> gah. its helpful.. no apostrophe
[09:20] <apokryphos> _kay: that's basically what about:konqueror is
[09:20] <_kay> After not finding it in the menu, he rightfully assumed that it is not installed
[09:20] <_tom> hi, i'm getting errors about drives not being able to access drives. any idea?
[09:20] <_kay> Because nobody but Kubuntu hides the apps in this way from the menu.
[09:20] <apokryphos> Not sure if that's a fair presumption. It could be, I guess.
[09:21] <apokryphos> _kay, Hamster: you should post that on the Mailing List
[09:21] <_kay> Well, it would be a repition of a repeated flame war
[09:21] <_kay> I am not a spark.
[09:21] <apokryphos> _kay: flame war? How so?
[09:22] <apokryphos> and when did that happen before?
[09:22] <Hamster> apokryphos: the user guide does not help at all either. It was written in 2003! And doesn't help me find knode. I know knode is installed, but where has kubuntu put it?
[09:22] <apokryphos> Hamster: it's been upgraded several times since
[09:22] <apokryphos> Hamster: it tells you how to start applications
[09:22] <_kay> Hiding kmail will not go well for all users.
[09:22] <Hamster> well then kubuntu is supplying an old version, there's nothing in my helpcentre
[09:22] <_kay> To suggest them would be even worse than when they removed konsole from kicker
[09:23] <_kay> Even though there was a case for that :)
[09:23] <apokryphos> Hamster:Revision 0.0.1 (2004-06-16)  -- and it's getting revised as we speak
[09:23] <Hamster> aah, well that's still not new enought to tell me where knode is? which I might add, I still can't find :)
[09:24] <_kay> BTW, akgregator still HAS its own icon with me here
[09:24] <apokryphos> Hamster: whatt?? It tells you how to start around 99% of apps
[09:24] <_kay> applications:/Internet/
[09:24] <apokryphos> it's not going to give you a specific entry on each one...
[09:24] <frank> My wlan connection works but I don't know how to activate it at startup. The kcontrol networking module doesn't seem to want to do this. The option "activate at startup" is there but when I select it, it doesn't actually stay that way. ANy ideas
[09:26] <_kay> urm, where in applications:/ is either kontact or kmail?
[09:26] <_kay> I am too silly too find that
[09:27] <Hamster> the knode manual tells me knode is found under "internet entry". Only on kubuntu, *its not there*
[09:27] <apokryphos> Hamster: I think we established this about 20 minutes ago
[09:27] <Hamster> _kay: kontact is under office applications
[09:27] <_kay> Office, but I am at home!
[09:27] <_kay> And i checked :p
[09:28] <Hamster> apokryphos: right. so where the hell is it then? I can't find any documentation that tells me that!
[09:28] <Jwir3> When I click "Administrator Mode" in the KDE Control Panel, and enter my root password, sometimes it kicks me back to a KDE Control Center main page, without authorizing what I want it to do.  Any ideas why?
[09:28] <Hamster> _kay: that's part of my objection to it all, but I thought I'd better keep my mouth shut :)
[09:28] <_kay> I really only have koffice and openoffice thing there and yes, evolution
[09:28] <apokryphos> Hamster: I think we already established 20 minutes ago, as I said, that it's not in the menu. Why you're still looking for it is kind of beyond me
[09:28] <_kay> apokryphos: And where is Kontact in applications:/
[09:29] <apokryphos> _kay: Office
[09:29] <_kay> Ah, sorry, it is there, exactly in the middle
[09:29] <_kay> my bad
[09:29] <Hamster> apokryphos: I'm still looking for it because I would like to run the application. I would like to click on a knode icon somewhere, without having to resort to the CLI
[09:29] <apokryphos> which is bad arranging, since half of kontact's stuff is in Utilties
[09:29] <apokryphos> Hamster: arguable whether alt+f2 is really CLI :-S .... but if it's not there then it's not there. Looking there won't make it appear
[09:29] <apokryphos> if you want it there now add it to your menu
[09:30] <_kay> ALT-F2 is called "minicli"
[09:30] <apokryphos> it is?
[09:30] <_carlos> greetings from Venezuela
[09:30] <_kay> yeah
[09:30] <Hamster> right, so why is it disabled by default? It's installed, why doesn't it appear in the menus? That's all I'm trying to say. It's awfully confusing how things are set up.
[09:30] <apokryphos> _carlos: hi _carlos
[09:30] <apokryphos> Hamster: I've answered this question at least twice. You can still disagree with the reasons provided
[09:30] <_carlos> wow, lot of people
[09:31] <apokryphos> but denying that they've been presented is kind of... odd
[09:31] <_kay> It could be put under a menu "Others...."
[09:31] <apokryphos> All suggestions for the mailing list. These suggestions won't go too far here
[09:31] <Hamster> apokryphos: you answered for kmail. kmail is part of kontact. there is no news reader in kontact, only an rss thing, which is not the same
[09:32] <apokryphos> Hamster: and?? I don't think it's too much for me to assume that the same would be applicable to KNode, if it's not in the menu
[09:32] <_kay> There is Hamster, knode is part of it
[09:32] <_kay> It may be that you have to enable the component in Kontact configuration though
[09:32] <apokryphos> I'm not going to say it for every application that doesn't appear in KMenu :|
[09:32] <Hamster> _kay, where?
[09:33] <_kay> Configure Components or so?
[09:33] <_kay> I am not running kontact on this machine, .... :p
[09:33] <Hamster> _kay: aahh there it is :) thanks for that!
[09:33] <_kay> And then, why does akgregator have its menu item still :p
[09:33] <Hamster> apokryphos: I'm not trying to argue with you, but what's gone wrong here is that you've assumed I could see knode in kontact, and that simply wasn't so, hence my discussion on trying to find missing knode
[09:34] <apokryphos> Hamster: heh, well, you never did mention that
[09:34] <apokryphos> all kdepim is integrated under Kontact though
[09:34] <_kay> But not by default, obviously
[09:35] <Hamster> apokryphos: ok I didnt, I didn't realise that I was supposed to be able to see it there! And when you talk of kpim, to me, kmail and knode come from kdenetwork. I didnt' know that had changed either.
[09:35] <apokryphos> does KNode not come with default Kubu install?
[09:35] <_kay> So to read NNTP news, you need to find kontact, enable the news component and have no chance to know
[09:35] <Jwir3> When I click "Administrator Mode" in the KDE Control Panel, and enter my root password, sometimes it kicks me back to a KDE Control Center main page, without authorizing what I want it to do.  Any ideas why?
[09:35] <Hamster> apokryphos: it seems to come with it, but it is not enabled in kontact by default. hence I never saw it
[09:35] <apokryphos> Hamster: knode and kmail are kdepim
[09:35] <neversfelde> I have the same problem in kcontrol
[09:35] <Hamster> Jwir3: enter your user password? not the root password
[09:36] <apokryphos> Jwir3: known bug. Not sure, but I think it's fixed fo rmost in 3.4.2
[09:36] <Hamster> apokryphos: that's something else I've learned today.
[09:36] <apokryphos> Jwir3: in the meantime just alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[09:36] <_kay> apokryphos: But how do you know that public news is personal information being managed?
[09:36] <Jwir3> Hamster: they are the same
[09:36] <Jwir3> apokryphos: oh, ok, thanks
[09:36] <Hamster> Jwir3: aah ok. believe apokryphos. He knows what he's talking about.
[09:36] <apokryphos> _kay: valid point, as I said.
[09:36] <_kay> What's really needed is to browse tasks
[09:36] <_kay> And then get assisted with that
[09:37] <_kay> Browsing applications goes only so far.
[09:37] <apokryphos> what would you suggest?
[09:37] <apokryphos> there's a lot that goes under kdepim, that's why.
[09:37] <_kay> Some konqueror about: addition
[09:37] <_kay> apokryphos: Mail, contacts and todo's are personal, what else?
[09:37] <Hamster> I find lumping things like "news" under personal information an odd choice.
[09:38] <apokryphos> It's not just news though, it's "your news"
[09:38] <Hamster> but that could be related to the way people understand english.
[09:38] <_kay> It was done because knode and kmail made sense to marry
[09:38] <_kay> Both show things that are not entirely the same
[09:38] <Hamster> apokryphos: yes. It's open to interpretation really. The way I've grown, PIM means something different.
[09:38] <apokryphos> it would do good for a lot of people to read this http://kontact.kde.org/components.php
[09:38] <_kay> My first mail program did that too, and people flamed it to death then :)
[09:39] <apokryphos> but it seems like bad usability if someone has to read a site before they can run a basic program
[09:39] <_kay> Yeah.... apokryphos, why not create something that describes how tasks are accomplished in KDE
[09:39] <_kay> How do I ...
[09:39] <apokryphos> That's what the User Guide should be
[09:39] <apokryphos> far from complete though
[09:40] <_kay> Or Ubuntu for that
[09:40] <apokryphos> Yes, there's a *lot* of Kubu documentation in-the-making
[09:40] <_kay> Well, I agree with that. But it is already good.
[09:40] <apokryphos> looks like they have really great plans
[09:40] <apokryphos> (as in, "huge plans")
[09:40] <_kay> I admire people with writing skills deeply, I can only code :)
[09:40] <Hamster> I just personally find it a shame that you have to hunting through doco to find out how to run email. Not too user friendly.. but that's just me
[09:41] <_kay> Hamster: You have to understand that Kubuntu started and released after 6 weeks
[09:41] <EvanMcCone> how i can fuse amarok with the playlist
[09:41] <apokryphos> It's a basic error when people presume "doccers who can't code, do documentation". Practically the whole of the KDE doc team can code, but they just doc instead
[09:41] <_kay> From start to release that is incredibly short time.
[09:41] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: err, fuse?
[09:41] <EvanMcCone> mmm
[09:41] <EvanMcCone> yes
[09:41] <Hamster> _kay: yeah :) it's fantastic.
[09:42] <_kay> For Breezy, about everything will be much more settled.
[09:42] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: do you mean move your collection to the playlist?
[09:42] <_kay> Also, KDE 3.4 was new then...
[09:42] <EvanMcCone> no
[09:42] <EvanMcCone> mmm
[09:42] <Hamster> _kay: I tried to download a lib from breezy ysterday and it wanted to uninstall my shiny new kde :)
[09:42] <_kay> It was a big stunt, but not everything is in place like Ubuntu
[09:42] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: what exactly do you mean, then? :)
[09:42] <EvanMcCone> i want convert amarok and her playlist in a only window
[09:42] <EvanMcCone> understand me? :D
[09:42] <apokryphos> nope
[09:42] <_kay> Hamster: Well, the C++ transition likely?
[09:43] <EvanMcCone> mmm
[09:43] <Hamster> _kay: I didn't stick around to find out :) I just hit N and moved on to something else :)
[09:43] <EvanMcCone> amarok and playlist are a two windows but i want two windows in 1
[09:43] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: no, amaroK is one window.
[09:44] <_kay> Hamster: I am running Breezy right now, but it hurts sometimes... and mirgrating from Hoary will be no easy
[09:44] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: unless you have the xmms style enabled... do you?
[09:44] <EvanMcCone> nooo i want amarokkk :D
[09:44] <_kay> Hamster: It's more or less, all or nothing and at once
[09:44] <EvanMcCone> but the playlist is other window  xD
[09:44] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: Yes... but if you have the "xmms style" enabeld in amarok then you get *two* windows
[09:44] <Hamster> _kay: yeah, like going from testing to unstable with deb. Upgrade one thing and pulls down the whole distro
[09:44] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: the default amarok is *one* window
[09:44] <EvanMcCone> oks xD
[09:44] <EvanMcCone> yes
[09:45] <EvanMcCone> but....
[09:45] <EvanMcCone> playlist is other window xD
[09:45] <_kay> Hamster: Well, if you know Debian, you sure lived through transitions with Debian too
[09:45] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: do you have two like this: http://www.kde.org.tr/rsm/amarok.png
[09:45] <_kay> Hamster: I think for gcc3.2 there was one back then too... now Ubuntu has managed to go to gcc4.0 and I think Debian is about to
[09:46] <_kay> Hamster: But then libs and programs of different compilations start to conflict
[09:46] <EvanMcCone> yeeeeeeees but in a one window :D
[09:46] <Hamster> _kay: oh absolutely. The reason I'm trying kubuntu in the first place is cause kde is just faaaar too broken under deb at the moment, esp if you want kde 34x
[09:46] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: then you currently have xmms style enabled
[09:46] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: to disable it...
[09:46] <_kay> Hamster: Ah... :)
[09:46] <apokryphos> EvanMcCone: Tools -> First run wizard
[09:46] <Hamster> _kay: for the most part kubuntu has just worked, and worked magnificently.  That's a nice change!
[09:47] <EvanMcCone> i get two aplications in one window :D
[09:47] <_kay> Hamster: Kubuntu is supposed to be the "Best of Breed with option to install anything else" distribution. I kind of like that.
[09:47] <EvanMcCone> apokryphos:  thx :)
[09:48] <apokryphos> no worries
[09:48] <_kay> Hamster: The debian channel was not so bad either....
[09:48] <_kay> Actually one of the better ones too.
[09:48] <Hamster> _kay yes. It seems to be working too, for the most part. My next learning task is to sort out the deal with the various repositories like univerise, multiverse etc etc.
[09:49] <_kay> Well, easy.
[09:49] <_kay> mail is supported stuff
[09:49] <_kay> eh, main I meant to write
[09:49] <_kay> universe is unsupported, free stuff, mostly from Debian, but recompiled against Ubuntu
[09:49] <Hamster> aaah ok.
[09:49] <_kay> Then multiverse is non-free stuff
[09:50] <_kay> And "restricted" too....
[09:50] <Hamster> _kay, does doing apt-get install -t hoary (or -t breezy) work as I think it does? ie like doing -t unstable -t testing in deb?
[09:51] <_kay> You can do that, but Ubuntu is not Debian
[09:51] <apokryphos> _kay: non-free or of "questoinable" license
[09:51] <_kay> You are not expected to mix the two at all.
[09:51] <_kay> This has no testing either... and you will rarely if ever succeed anyway.
[09:51] <Hamster> _kay oooh ok, so it quite literally is one or the other.. gotcha.
[09:52] <_kay> I sometimes mixed in some Debian
[09:52] <_kay> But truth to be said, a collegue killed his system with that badly
[09:52] <Hamster> I've mixed testing and unstable a fair bit.. I guess it depends on *what* you mix as to how much trouble you get in. I've heard horror stories of mixing, and people that have mixed without probs for ages...
[09:53] <_kay> I have done that like ever since testing existed.
[09:54] <_kay> Never had trouble with pulling KDE or gcc early from unstable.
[09:54] <_kay> I even used weighting as indicated in the apt HOWTO.
[09:54] <Hamster> no, I didn't either until a couple of days ago :) But kde wasn't in unstable anyway, it was the alioth packages
[09:54] <_kay> You get a default "testing" and "unstable" only where needed to satisfy explicit install of it
[09:55] <_kay> For all I read, the KDE is halted for C++ transition
[09:55] <Hamster> yes, but they've got unsupported packages in a repository on alioth.debian.org
[09:55] <_kay> Well, I switched to Kubuntu in first place to leave alioth
[09:56] <douglas> Ok, on the kubuntu known problems list, There are somtimes parenthesis that say fix uploaded, how does one aquire such a fix?
[09:56] <_kay> Have an amd64
[09:56] <Hamster> _kay: oooh nice :)
[09:56] <_kay> They support here amd64 already fully.
[09:57] <_kay> Does Debian even have etch for it already?
[09:57] <douglas> anyone?
[09:58] <Hamster> douglas: I don't know. perhaps in updates?
[09:59] <_kay> Do you have hoary-updates in your sources.list, douglas ?
[09:59] <douglas> let me check
[09:59] <Hamster> _kay there's a daily build image of testing for amd64 :)
[10:00] <_kay> Well, I don't install new systems
[10:00] <_kay> That AMD64 machine actually had copied my 5 years old system on it
[10:00] <douglas> yeppers.
[10:00] <_kay> Migrated it from 32 to 64 bit via chroot
[10:01] <Hamster> oh wow :)
[10:01] <_kay> And then later crossgraded to Kubuntu
[10:01] <_kay> Well, at the time, nothing installed on it anyway
[10:01] <douglas> but I still have some of the problems that they say they fixed in the known problems.
[10:01] <_kay> No Gentoo, no FreeBSD, no Fedora... everything gave up at one point or the other
[10:02] <_kay> douglas: And you did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade ?
[10:02] <douglas> yea
[10:03] <douglas> If I use universe packages, do I add hoary-updates lines for universe and not just restricted too?
[10:04] <_kay> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main multiverse restricted universe
[10:04] <_kay> and
[10:04] <_kay> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main multiverse restricted universe
[10:04] <douglas> Thanks
[10:04] <_kay> Is all you need for it, i.e. you can put it all on one line
[10:06] <Hamster> _kay, could paste your sources.list somewhere? I'd like to check it with mine :-)
[10:07] <douglas> who me?
[10:07] <douglas> or day?
[10:07] <douglas> kay?
[10:07] <douglas> because I would like to see it too!
[10:07] <Hamster> douglas, I was asking kay :)
[10:08] <_kay> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main multiverse restricted universe
[10:08] <_kay> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main multiverse restricted universe
[10:08] <_kay> Well, here I only have this
[10:09] <_kay> I gave up on mixing in Debian... Breezy now has all I need. :)
[10:09] <Hamster> I think I'm missing some entries in my hoary-security line...
[10:10] <douglas> what about hoary, is breezy next?
[10:10] <Hamster> yeah, breezy is the "up and coming"
[10:10] <douglas> word.
[10:11] <_kay> Hamster: You can't expect security updates for universe, or can you?
[10:11] <_kay> You can also execute apt-setup
[10:11] <Hamster> _kay my security line looks like: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security universe
[10:11] <Hamster> I didn't write that by hand, something else did.
[10:11] <_kay> It creates a new sources.list according to your input
[10:12] <_kay> ah, ok
[10:12] <Hamster> yeah I ran that when I first installed
[10:12] <Hamster> cause the installer on the hoary kubuntu cd seems to have a bug while selecting mirrors. It only listed countries starting with up to the letter G and I needed the letter N :-)
[10:13] <douglas> What is warty?
[10:13] <_kay> The old release, before Hoary
[10:13] <jpatrick> next breezy
[10:13] <douglas> oh, I have some java stuff from warty, should I lose them?
[10:13] <douglas> I change them to breezy
[10:14] <douglas> err.. or change them to breezy
[10:14] <Hamster> douglas: prior version to hoary
[10:14] <douglas> I know.
[10:14] <_kay> You run what now, Hoary or Breezy?
[10:14] <douglas> hoary
[10:15] <douglas> but I'd like to use the breezy packages
[10:15] <douglas> so I changed to that
[10:15] <_kay> well, java is now gcc 4.0, so I would expect trouble
[10:15] <jpatrick> wouldn't you have to dist-upgrade?
[10:15] <douglas> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[10:15] <douglas> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java
[10:15] <douglas> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[10:15] <douglas> but what I'm asking is for instance, I have this -> whoops
[10:15] <douglas> sorry
[10:16] <_kay> java?
[10:16] <douglas> yea, it was a separate one I added for java packages
[10:16] <douglas> but I have one for both warty and hoary?
[10:16] <_kay> That's useless
[10:16] <_kay> You can safely remove that.
[10:17] <douglas> should I get rid of one and change the other to breezy?
[10:17] <_kay> It's only going to slow things down with apt
[10:17] <_kay> douglas: Well, without further actions, the latest will always win anyways
[10:17] <eckhart> hi
[10:17] <douglas> oh, thanks
[10:17] <_kay> hi
[10:18] <douglas> also, what is the difference between deb and deb-src?
[10:18] <eckhart> i'm looking for qt4 packages for kubuntu
[10:18] <_kay> Well, with deb-src, the command "apt-get source" works
[10:18] <douglas> oh
[10:18] <douglas> okey dokey
[10:18] <Hamster> douglas: src downloads source packages, as opposed to the binaries you install
[10:18] <_kay> Allows you to get everything in place to build deb yourself
[10:19] <Hamster> douglas: src packages allow you to compile your own debs
[10:19] <_kay> If you don't do that, remove them, it only makes downloads of apt-get update more
[10:19] <douglas> Ok, so should I keep hoary-updates or change it to brezzy-updates, or is there no breezy updates yet?
[10:19] <_kay> Not now, updates are now put into breezy of course
[10:19] <douglas> oh, I c
[10:19] <_kay> It's for after the release.
[10:19] <douglas> because it's in development
[10:19] <douglas> ok
[10:20] <douglas> but I could get rid of hoary-updates if I have breezy
[10:20] <douglas> I c
[10:20] <douglas> Thanks
[10:20] <Hamster> douglas, yes I think you can
[10:20] <Hamster> It doesn't make sense to update breezy with hoary packages anyway
[10:20] <_kay> With breezy, you can remove Hoary... :)
[10:21] <_kay> Well, if Breezy is broken, it helps to downgrade.
[10:21] <douglas> ok, so one last question, should I add a breezy-security line or get rid of the security for now?
[10:21] <Hamster> _kay, this might seem like a stupid question, but I assume kde342 is in breezy?
[10:21] <_kay> The xorg in Breezy was more broken than working so far :)
[10:21] <_kay> Yes it is, Hamster... but I think not bug free.... at least i18n doesn't work yet for me
[10:22] <_kay> And you have to understand, Breezy is not like unstable.
[10:22] <douglas> it's development
[10:22] <_kay> THere are things uploaded to Breezy which just don't work
[10:22] <Hamster> its more like experimental?
[10:22] <douglas> yea
[10:23] <_kay> At the beginning, definitely yes.
[10:23] <douglas> just the way I like it.
[10:23] <_kay> It will become more stable...
[10:23] <douglas> Does it crash often for you?
[10:23] <_kay> I too, btw... but my wife and me common machine is now on a stable distro for the first time ever :p
[10:24] <_kay> Because Breezy breaks beyond ability to repair of mine...
[10:24] <_kay> Now it's somewhat smooth, but my work machine e.g. cannot type | in X
[10:25] <Hamster> _kay, at least your other half uses linux :) My boyfriend is still using windows despite my best efforts to convert. I thought he'd find it embarassing if his girlfriend uses linux and he doesn't, but he doesn't seem to care :)
[10:25] <_kay> Nothing installs xkbutils which contains xkbcomp which is essential for keyboard layouts
[10:25] <_kay> Geek Girl? :)
[10:25] <Hamster> that's me :-)
[10:25] <_kay> I only married after she showed me her operating systems course diploma :p

[10:26] <lscd> yey, we geek girls practically outnumber active geek guys on the chan right now
[10:26] <_kay> She likes Linux (KDE) better than Windows, because it's easier
[10:27] <Hamster> I don't how my bf uses windows. He thinks I don't see all the reboots he does, but I do :)
[10:27] <Hamster> jwir3: we girls are proud you aren't a girl too!
[10:27] <_kay> Well, my wife makes jokes about me always repairing my Linux
[10:28] <jwir3> Hamster: yeah that's what I said
[10:28] <jwir3> I mean
[10:28] <_kay> And she is right, I like to bleed on the edge :p
[10:28] <jwir3> ...
[10:28] <jwir3> ...whatever...