[00:00] <savvas> amx109: it doesn't ask for password?
[00:00] <maccam94> after lots of frustration and compiling, i just ended up with a borked ubuntu installation :-(
[00:00] <amx109> savvas, nope
[00:00] <l815> after these past 2 or 3 days of hardy releases my laptop doesn't really get warm anymore :O
[00:00] <l815> it's amazing
[00:03] <felipe_> is synaptic broken?
[00:03] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: Its not so simple as that you would probably need at least a new mesa as well (probably loads of other stuff like libdrm)
[00:03] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: oh no it wasn't simple. i had to pull mesa, libdrm, and the driver from git
[00:03] <maccam94> and follow a rather complicated guide
[00:03] <maccam94> in the end idk if the problem was that git was unstable or if i screwed up compiling or installing something
[00:04] <savvas> amx109: grep -i "fuse\|adm\|plugdev" /etc/group
[00:04] <amx109> savvas, my username is a member of all those groups
[00:05] <savvas> amx109: did any of recent upgrades involve gvfs or something that would require a reboot of the machine?
[00:06] <amx109> savvas, erm no. ive had this problem since i installed hardy (alpha 5, using alt cd)
[00:08] <savvas> amx109: menu system -> administration -> authorizations -> freedesktop -> hal -> storage -> mount ... internal drives
[00:09] <savvas> do you see your login in the explicit authorizations?
[00:09] <amx109> savvas, nope!
[00:10] <savvas> and it shouldn't :P
[00:10] <amx109> heh
[00:10] <savvas> but i think it's a policy authentication problem
[00:10] <savvas> amx109: press grant
[00:10] <savvas> choose your login
[00:11] <savvas> none constraints (just for testing)
[00:11] <savvas> and grant
[00:12] <amx109> savvas, nothing happens when i click grant
[00:12] <jimmygoon> I can't select custom settings for compiz in appearance manager? I had this happen a few times in gutsy
[00:12] <savvas> amx109: it doesn't ask for a password?
[00:13] <amx109> savvas, nope
[00:13] <savvas> hrm
[00:14] <savvas> amx109: ok close authorizations window, run terminal and do this: gksu polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:14] <savvas> this should reveal the error
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> jimmygoon: I think for that to appear you need something installed
[00:14] <savvas> amx109: do the same thing as before
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> (I have it on one box but not the other)
[00:15] <amx109> savvas, worked this time
[00:15] <jimmygoon> h3sp4wn, no its there. its ccsm but I can't select it... well I can but the fact that I select it doesn't matter. if I close the apperacne dialog and reopne it forgets!
[00:15] <savvas> amx109: ok, revoke that and close authorizations again, now run terminal this: polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:15] <savvas> without gksu
[00:16] <amx109> yup
[00:16] <savvas> do the same thing
[00:16] <amx109> ** (polkit-gnome-authorization:20792): WARNING **: Caught error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[00:16] <jimmygoon> h3sp4wn, even when I select None. Then come back and choose custom... compiz comes up... it still isn't using MY settings and then it forgets when I close/reopen
[00:16] <jimmygoon> MY
[00:16] <savvas> :\
[00:17] <savvas> amx109: hold that thought
[00:17] <amx109> again, doesnt do anything. above from term output
[00:17]  * amx109 holds
[00:17]  * jimmygoon sorry... SCIM keeps popping up thinking I need to swith to Arabic When I use the Shift Key in Cerታኢን ፕላቸs
[00:17] <jimmygoon> ah, its shift+space which apparently I do alot
[00:18] <savvas> amx109: cat /var/log/auth.log | grep -i polkit
[00:18] <savvas> Mar 15 01:11:11 ubuntu polkit-grant-helper[12282]: granted authorization for org.freedesktop.policykit.grant to uid 1000 [auth=youruser]
[00:19] <savvas> look for something like that
[00:21] <amx109> savvas, hmm. i have a "granted authorization for org.freedesktop.systemtoolsbackends.set" but not the policykit.grant bit
[00:21] <savvas> amx109: sudo apt-get install --reinstall policykit adduser dbus libpolkit-dbus2 libpolkit-grant2 libpolkit2 policykit-gnome consolekit
[00:21] <amx109> savvas, also, polkit-grant-helper-pam is spewing a few error lines
[00:22] <savvas> amx109: you should probably reboot your machine after that
[00:22] <amx109> savvas, ok, ill brb
[00:23] <savvas> Mar 15 01:09:35 ubuntu polkit-grant-helper-pam[12277]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_foreground.so)
[00:23] <savvas> he's right
[00:23] <savvas> Mar 15 01:09:35 ubuntu polkit-grant-helper-pam[12277]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
[00:23] <savvas> weird error
[00:24] <crimsun> reinstall that package.
[00:24] <crimsun> libpam-foreground: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so
[00:24] <crimsun> although it's not necessary anymore, so I wonder why polkit ...
[00:26] <savvas> amx109: ok try now
[00:27] <amx109> savvas, no luck im afraid
[00:28] <savvas> crimsun: here's a bit more thorough log: http://pastebin.ca/raw/943151
[00:29] <savvas> hm..
[00:30] <savvas> amx109: sudo apt-get install --reinstall hal
[00:30] <amx109> savvas, heh was abt to suggest the very same thing...
[00:30] <feierfox> hello
[00:30] <feierfox> will hardy contain OOo 2.4?
[00:30] <savvas> amx109: i think you'll need another reboot, sorry about that :)
[00:30] <savvas> amx109: also: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libpam-foreground
[00:30] <amx109> savvas, s'ok. the new gdm sceen is pretty enough to offset that
[00:32] <slackern> feierfox: openoffice.org-core package is 2.4.0~rc2 so i guess it will
[00:32] <feierfox> \o/
[00:32] <savvas> what's in 2.4?
[00:33] <slackern> feierfox: But i don't know really so don't take my word for it :)
[00:34] <amx109> savvas, no change
[00:34] <savvas> amx109: gksu polkit-gnome-authorization
[00:35] <amx109> savvas, same as before?
[00:35] <savvas> first go to unmount ... by other users
[00:35] <savvas> two options above
[00:35] <amx109> yup
[00:36] <savvas> amx109: anyone no, console no, active console: admin auth (indefinitely) right?
[00:36] <amx109> savvas, correct
[00:36] <savvas> after that, mount ... removable drives
[00:37] <savvas> no, no, and yes right?
[00:37] <amx109> correct
[00:37] <savvas> then mount .. internal drives, no no, admin auth indefinitely
[00:37] <amx109> correct
[00:39] <savvas> er..
[00:40] <amx109> savvas, head, brick wall etc?
[00:40] <savvas> amx109: you tried to mount it through nautilus again?
[00:41] <coz_> hey guys do any of the current updates break anything?
[00:41] <amx109> savvas, trying to unmount via nautilus gives me a 'cannot unnount volume' dialog box. with the details tab expanded it reports that 'only riit can unmount...'
[00:42] <savvas> 01:16:37 < amx109> ** (polkit-gnome-authorization:20792): WARNING **: Caught error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[00:42] <savvas> try file a bug about it at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[00:42] <amx109> savvas, ok. thanks for the all help
[00:43] <savvas> i guess the package would be policykit-gnome
[00:43] <savvas> amx109: in the meantime, gksu polkit-gnome-authorization and grant an authorization for the local console to your login, maybe that will fix it temporarily
[00:45] <amx109> savvas, seems i cant reproduce that bug. still no action on the click of grant but no error message this time
[00:46] <savvas> amx109: there shouldn't be a problem with gksu, you can't grant even when using gksu ??
[00:47] <amx109> savvas, i can grant with gksu. the error u pasted above came from me attempting to do it without superuser privs
[00:48] <savvas> amx109: well.. hm.. check if you can mount it now that you granted it
[00:48] <jimmygoon> I can definetly say, without a doubt that the "intel" driver is most definetly not fixed yet: http://i29.tinypic.com/9vjoe0.png
[00:48] <amx109> savvas, also do you know why all my mounted partitions (from internal drives) would show up under gnomes 'removable drives' section?
[00:49] <savvas> amx109: where do you see that removable drives?
[00:50] <amx109> savvas, the applet on the panel..the drives also appear on my desktop and are listed on the left hand pane of nautilus
[00:50] <savvas> the disk mounter?
[00:51] <amx109> sorry, yes.
[00:51] <savvas> well it does say "mount local disks and devices" :)
[00:51] <savvas> i hate that too actually
[00:51] <amx109> heh yea, but this wasnt the behaviour present in gutsy
[00:52] <savvas> my sata drive pops up on desktop
[00:52] <savvas> i know i can disable it, why on earth should there be an icon for an internal drive
[00:52] <amx109> how do you disable it?
[00:53] <savvas> gconf-editor
[00:53] <savvas> apps > nautilus > desktop
[00:53] <savvas> uncheck volumes_visible
[00:55] <amx109> thanks. is there nothing more granular? i have about 9 partitions visible that are mounted under / anyway..
[00:55] <savvas> well.. now that you reminded me of the disk mounter.. i can turn it off ;)
[00:55] <savvas> amx109: the only way if by filing bugs
[00:55] <savvas> i can confirm on this one
[00:55] <Jordan_U> I am not getting direct rendering with fglrx
[00:56] <amx109> thanks again
[00:56] <savvas> amx109: highlight me with a bug link if you file one :)
[00:56] <amx109> savvas, will do
[00:57] <savvas> crimsun: is stopped complaining about that /lib/security/pam_foreground.so, thanks :)
[00:57] <savvas> *it
[00:59] <jimmygoon> Any thoughts: http://i29.tinypic.com/9vjoe0.png
[00:59] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, DPI set *really* high?
[01:00] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, not manually. not intentionally
[01:00] <jimmygoon> the only thing I changed to fix was switching from intel to i810
[01:01] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Why did you do that? i810 is the older driver
[01:01] <jimmygoon> ... it works :)
[01:02] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, File a bug report, then change your DPI settings manually for something that is a least closer to a proper fix :)
[01:02] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, any suggestions on what it should be?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Whatever it is set to while you are using i810
[01:03] <jimmygoon> And the value in Appearance->Font->Details is accurate?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, AFIK it is :)
[01:03] <jimmygoon> the question then becomes how on earth do I change that value when its all messed up. I literally can't do anything to save my life, let alone change my DPI
[01:04] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, You can set it manually in your xorg.conf ( can't remember exactly how though )
[01:05] <jimmygoon> do I Option "DPI" "96" for my device or my monitor?
[01:06] <Ng> there's also /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi in gconf, which is also 96 by default
[01:06] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, I would guess monitor ( or possibly "screen" ? )
[01:06] <jimmygoon> heh
[01:07] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, The nice thing about when X actually needed an xorg.conf was that you had examples of all of the sections :)
[01:07] <Ng> you can make X generate a config if you want
[01:08] <jimmygoon> I have a xorg.conf
[01:08] <Jordan_U> Ng, Does it create a less minimal one than debxconfig ?
[01:08] <jimmygoon> just doesn't specifiy dpi
[01:08] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, what is your result of : xdpyinfo | grep -B1 dot
[01:08] <Ng> Jordan_U: not sure, probably
[01:08] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon,
[01:08] <Jordan_U> to a proper fix :)
 Jordan_U, any suggestions on what it should be?
 jimmygoon, Whatever it is set to while you are using i810
 And the value in Appearance->Font->Details is accurate?
 jimmygoon, AFIK it is :)
[01:09] <Jordan_U> * stik<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #Ubuntu+1
 the question then becomes how on earth do I change that value when its all messed up. I literally can't do anything to save my life, let alone change my DPI
 jimmygoon, You can set it manually in your xorg.conf ( can't remember exactly how though )
 do I Option "DPI" "96" for my device or my monitor?
[01:09] <Jordan_U> * MasterShrek has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
 there's also /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi in gconf, which is also 96 by default
 jimmygoon, I would guess monitor ( or possibly "screen" ? )
 heh
 jimmygoon, The nice thing about when X actually needed an xorg.conf was that you had examples of all of the sections :)
 you can make X generate a config if you want
 I have a xorg.conf
 Ng, Does it create a less minimal one than debxconfig ?
 just doesn't specifiy dpi
 Jordan_U, what is y
[01:09] <Jordan_U> Sorry
[01:09] <jimmygoon> haha
[01:09] <jimmygoon> what was that
[01:10] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Thought I had copied from the terminal, apparently I had middle clicked ( copy ) in xchat afterwards :)
[01:11] <jimmygoon> Well, I was just wondering what your physical screen size was reported as
[01:11] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon,   dimensions:    1680x1050 pixels (367x230 millimeters)  resolution:    116x116 dots per inch
[01:11] <jimmygoon> ok. I wanted to check the mm sizes to see if mine seemed reasonable
[01:12] <jimmygoon> It says my resolution is 98x96 so I guess I'll try putting that in my xorg.conf
[01:13] <jimmyg00n> sorry, I'm on my other pc while I log in and out to check the dpi stuff
[01:14] <jimmyg00n> noope. didn't work. The text is still huuuge... and switching to tty killed my pc
[01:15] <jimmyg00n> heh, Alt+PrinScr REISUB doesn't even work
[01:18] <jimmyg00n> alright. I'm connected ssh. I just going to keep changing xorg.conf stuff and see if i can get any decent results.
[01:20] <jimmyg00n> what the hell. this is getting really old. after alt+ctrl+backspacing a few times it just crashes
[01:20] <jimmyg00n> my ssh connection just crashed also. what gives?
[01:24] <maccam94> why is compiz disabled on laptops using the ati driver?!?
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <maccam94> ahd;jahsdfegsde
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <maccam94> what's with all the flooding?!?!?
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:24] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:25] <maccam94> why is compiz disabled on laptops using the ati driver?!?
[01:26] <RAOF> maccam94: Because it's crash-happy.
[01:26] <jimmyg00n> hahaha, the intel driver doesn't support the option dpi
[01:27] <maccam94> RAOF: it seemed to work great when alpha 6 was released...
[01:27] <maccam94> does video do it or something?
[01:27] <maccam94> jimmyg00n: we got it the first like, 25 times
[01:29] <jimmyg00n> maccam94, sorry. This crappy client I'm using was being unresponsive. I didn't know what was going on
[01:29] <maccam94> ah
[01:29] <maccam94> well only send things once, they show up ;-)
[01:37] <jimmyg00n> how many times did it send? just twice or lots?
[01:38] <RAOF> jimmyg00n: *lots*.  At least 10 times.
[01:39] <maccam94> jimmyg00n: 14 or 15 times
[01:45] <jimmyg00n> maccam94, heh, I didn't know that. It became unresponsive and I kept hitting the reconnect button to no avail... I ended up killing the process and then reopening the client. heh. sorry about that
[01:46] <maccam94> i'm surprised you didn't get autokicked
[01:47] <jimmyg00n> whoa. some sort of success. it failed to load xorg the first time. told me it couldn't detect my settings (probably loaded vesa, damn) but the text size was right
[01:48] <jimmyg00n> sorry, did it spam it again?
[01:49] <maccam94> nope
[01:49] <jimmyg00n> hopefully you didn't already get this: whoa. some sort of success. it failed to load xorg the first time. told me it couldn't detect my settings (probably loaded vesa, damn) but the text size was right
[01:52] <jimmyg00n> the physical size was being set correctly, (only because I specified it manually though)
[01:53] <nomasteryoda> wonder if hardy fixed the mouse freeze bug on intel gm chips
[01:53] <nomasteryoda> with synaptics
[01:53] <nomasteryoda> i'm back in my dual-booted gutsy... sidux is supplanted hardy
[01:54] <emet> !info gnash
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[01:58] <Megaqwerty> what version of gnome does hardy use?
[01:58] <RAOF> 2.22
[01:59] <Megaqwerty> RAOF: thanks.
[01:59] <RAOF> We _always_ have the latest Gnome release :)
[01:59] <mohbana> !clone
[01:59] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[01:59] <Megaqwerty> RAOF: Most excellent :)
[02:01] <l815> :D
[02:02] <Amaranth> ChevronX: Compiz is installed and enabled by default in hardy
[02:02] <Amaranth> If your hardware is supported, that is
[02:02] <ChevronX> I was wondering. What happened to all the Beryl controls such as the cube and the beaming windows?
[02:02] <coz_> ChevronX, still there
[02:03] <l815> ChevronX, that is compiz manager
[02:03] <Amaranth> install compizconfig-settings-manager the go to System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[02:03] <ChevronX> arh
[02:03] <ChevronX> Excellent
[02:04] <ChevronX> It worked
[02:04] <l815> my video laggs my system when I use effects, is there a workaround?
[02:04] <coz_> l815, which video card
[02:05] <coz_> wait aminute   l815 the best place to take this is #compiz-fusion
[02:05] <maccam94> coz_: ehhh it might be a hardy issue
[02:05] <l815> coz_, alright thanks
[02:06] <coz_> maccam94, sure it could be  but thats why I asked about the video card
[02:06] <coz_> l815, still which video card
[02:06] <l815> well on gusty video + effects didnt even work, but that is fixed with hardy
[02:06] <l815> intel gm965
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> l815, is that a new install of hardy?
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> all updated and such?
[02:06] <l815> nomasteryoda, i installed it about 3 days ago
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:07] <l815> yes all updated to date pre-released updates
[02:07] <maccam94> l815: oh ok i've got the same card
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> gm915 here
[02:07] <coz_> l815, ok go to #compiz-fusion and talk with crdlb about intel  with compiz fusion
[02:07] <l815> maccam94, do you ahve the same problem?
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> mouse frozen with some update
[02:07] <l815> coz_, will do
[02:07] <maccam94> ......except i'm in gutsy, with a hacked compiz executable
[02:07] <maccam94> my other junky laptop is the one running hardy
[02:07] <DavidW2> I had adept_updater running last week and something got updated that broke networking and firefox. Does anyone happen to know what the problem is or if there are fixed packages I can manually copy over from another computer?
[02:07] <coz_> I dont know it that intel is blacklisted either
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> my intel with compiz works perfect .. just be sure to have bios set to max ram for the video card
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> if it can be setup that way
[02:08] <maccam94> coz_: the 965 chipset was blacklisted in gutsy because it has Xv issues
[02:08] <ChevronX> I find it good that Ubuntu Hardy Heron picked up my 2900XT drivers and installed them without any intervention
[02:08] <DavidW2> I get a permission denied error resolvconf line 77 when it's trying to mv the device files
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> DavidW2, you mean a wired network?
[02:08] <nomasteryoda> eth0
[02:08] <l815> nomasteryoda, even when you maximize video?
[02:09] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: It applies to both wired (eth0) and wireless (ath0)
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:09] <l815> oh ok i'll have to take a look
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu is fine... now my sidux is another story
[02:09] <coz_> maccam94, ah ok  yeah  so then it is not in hardy?
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> have to turn on the video filter in advanced compiz settings manager
[02:09] <maccam94> coz_: there's a new intel driver in hardy
[02:09] <maccam94> idk how well it works
[02:09] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: I can't get either up, the dhcp user (I think) gets permission denied in the resolvconf script so I think dns is not being set up
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> and then use smplayer
[02:09] <coz_> maccam94, ah ok thats cool
[02:09] <maccam94> coz_: it technically worked the whole time, except video players would crash
[02:10] <maccam94> coz_: they're redoing the blacklists in hardy i think, so it may be blacklisted in the future
[02:10] <coz_> maccam94, ok yeah I know there is a work around for intel
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> DavidW2, if you need it up and online, try sudo ifconfig eth0 up and then sudo dhclient
[02:10] <coz_> maccam94, ooo  ok
[02:10] <maccam94> i haven't actually tested how it works on hardy yet, because this laptop is my work machine
[02:11] <coz_> maccam94, mm it will be interesting to know though so that we can have a factoid in #compiz-fusion for it  but generally we send people here  when they use hardy:)
[02:12] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: Those commands call the same scripts, so the error is the same if I do it manually or use /etc/init.d/networking
[02:12] <coz_> so far no issues here with compiz fusion on hardy    there are hardy specific issues but seem unrelated to compizfusion
[02:12] <maccam94> coz_: there's currently some good stuff going on in the git intel driver for EXA rendering, but idk if that's going to make it into hardy
[02:13] <coz_> maccam94, ok cool
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> true
[02:13] <Mark_Milliman> Anyone know of any RSS screensavers for GNOME?  I can't believe that the GNOME screensaver-manager is soooo lame!
[02:14] <maccam94> but yeah i'm curious why compiz blacklists laptop ati cards... it was working beautifully for me when alpha 6 came out >_< of course i didn't actually run much with it, but stuff like 3D desktop and wobbly windows worked fine
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> DavidW2, you could setup dns manually
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> until the update fixes ...
[02:14] <l815> lol i didn't know people still used screensaves :P
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> lol
[02:14] <ChevronX> Hmm Paint Fire on screen wonder what use that us
[02:14] <ChevronX> *is
[02:14] <maccam94> Mark_Milliman: you might install xscreensaver-extra and xscreensaver-gl-extra
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> they are cool... l815 the compiz one looks awesome
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> cube or flying windows
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> like a whirlwind
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> ChevronX, burning up WIndows virtual machines for fun and profit
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> =D
[02:15] <l815> lol i was just joking, since lcds there's no real need for "screensavers" :P
[02:15] <ChevronX> lol
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> true
[02:15] <Mark_Milliman> maccam94, there is a HOWTO on using xcreensavers with the GNOME screensavers
[02:15] <maccam94> Mark_Milliman: er rather, install the xscreensaver-* packages, but not xscreensaver itself
[02:16] <maccam94> i didn't need to follow a howto, gnome-screensaver just picked them up
[02:16] <maccam94> :-\
[02:16] <Mark_Milliman> maccam94, okay, I'll give it a whirl and see if the lame GNOME screensaver-manager can deal with them
[02:16] <jscinoz> whats the current breakage in hardy?
[02:17] <slackern> Stupid question maybe but where does X get the list of drivers from nowadays? Does it just check /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers ?
[02:17] <coz_> jscinoz, I just did the most recent updates and other than the general stuff broken nothing else broke :)
[02:17] <ChevronX> Because its running Compiz. Would it be the metacity themes I need to change?
[02:17] <jscinoz> hmm, see i'm needing a clean reinstall and i
[02:17] <jscinoz> ugh
[02:18] <jscinoz> i'm torn between clean install to current hardy alpha, then just update to release, or wait until release and clean reinstall
[02:18] <jscinoz> >_< ' is too close to enter :P
[02:18] <ChevronX> I just installed a new copy and dist upgraded
[02:18] <ChevronX> No problems
[02:19] <Mark_Milliman> I tried to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy but I had a real HW failure during the upgrade so I had to rebuild the system.  I am glad that I got a clean install.  Things are working great!
[02:19]  * jscinoz is glad he kept /home on its own partition
[02:20] <ChevronX> Is there a AWN channel here?
[02:20] <jimmygoon> How do I check what video driver is being used? I think I got it working! Despite the fact that I burnt out gnome-settings-daemon in the process and now it doesn't work
[02:20] <coz_> jimmygoon, whichi video card?
[02:21] <jimmygoon> coz_, intel
[02:21] <coz_> glxinfo|grep OpenGL\ version
[02:21] <DavidW2> nomasteryoda: I just wanted to know if anyone else reported the bug here, or maybe I can get a list of all packages updated in the past week?
[02:21] <jimmygoon> coz_, what should it say if its using the "intel" driver versus "vesa"
[02:22] <jscinoz> the release date is april 21 right? or was it april 27?
[02:22] <jimmygoon> the screen is acting like its using vesa :( its slow
[02:22] <coz_> jscinoz, not sure since I know nearly nothing about intel
[02:22] <Mark_Milliman> DavidW2, update manager will tell you all of the current updates you need to apply
 I couldn't personally wait to upgrade.  Now gnome-settings-daemon is dumping its core every time it runs
[02:30] <cmorgan> are there any extensions required for kde4 to support its full set of effects?
[02:34] <ethana2> probably xrender and xgl or whatever
[02:34] <cmorgan> ethana2: so i should install xserver-xgl and use that?
[02:34] <ethana2> i don't really know
[02:34] <cmorgan> i'm trying to find some info online about it but there isn't much
[02:34] <ethana2> i had compiz installed before i installed kde4
[02:35] <cmorgan> yeah i had compiz before and it was crashing with vmware i think
[02:35] <Pici> xgl is not needed for the ATI drivers in Hardy.
[02:36] <cmorgan> using nvidia here
[02:36] <cmorgan> proprietary drivers
[02:38] <RAOF> cmorgan: kde4 requires exactly what compiz requires.
[02:39] <cmorgan> RAOF: oh ok. i'll look for that then since i couldnt' find any info about kde4 requirements
[02:39] <RAOF> cmorgan: Basically, it should just work.
[02:39] <cmorgan> RAOF: doesn't need xserver-xgl?
[02:39] <RAOF> No.
[02:40] <cmorgan> hmm
[02:40] <RAOF> What it needs is Composite and GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[02:40] <cmorgan> RAOF: is composite something i need to turn on via an extension in xorg.conf?
[02:40] <RAOF> No.
[02:41] <RAOF> * For sufficiently non-crazy drivers.
[02:41] <cmorgan> hmm
[02:41] <RAOF> These being everything !nvidia-glx-legacy or old fglrx.
[02:41] <cmorgan> i don't see composite listed in the output of glxinfo
[02:42] <cmorgan> but i do see GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap listed
[02:42] <RAOF> That's because it's not a glx extension :)
[02:42] <cmorgan> heh
[02:42] <cmorgan> not sure how to query for it
[02:42] <RAOF> You'll have it.
[02:42] <RAOF> xdpyinfo, I think, will confirm.
[02:42] <cmorgan> i mean graphics are snappy
[02:43] <cmorgan> RAOF: yep,listed in the output of xdpyinfo
[02:43] <jimmygoon> I gave up. The only time I think I got it working it was rendering so slowly I could see it scanning from top to bottom... that and "the right config" kept causing gnome-settings-daemon to crash.
[02:43] <jimmygoon> This is a really frustrating problem
[02:43] <cmorgan> RAOF: like i turn on the 'fps' indicator but i don't see fps anywhere
[02:45] <cmorgan> RAOF: you know the one under desktop effects.
[02:45] <cmorgan> RAOF: since i can't get that to work i'm also thinking the other effects aren't working, but i'm not sure why
[02:45] <RAOF> If you're thinking about "benchmark", then you need to activate it, too.  (There's a keyboard shortcut).
[02:46] <cmorgan> RAOF: its listed as "Show FPS"
[03:04] <telexicon> awesome its fixed yay
[03:04] <telexicon> now i can update blindly again
[03:13] <IOU> does anyone find the 2.6.24-12 kernel slower than the 2.6.24-11 ?
[03:14] <jimmygoon> yes :)
[03:14] <IOU> lol apart from you :p
[03:16] <cwillu> telexicon, obviously the lesson wasn't learned :p
[03:16] <telexicon> :)
[03:17] <savvas> curse the discoverer of coffee, I can't sleep
[03:18] <IOU> lol
[03:18] <savvas> IOU: a tad bit slower, but a lot better when it comes to managing network download/upload
[03:19] <IOU> i find it to be alot more than a tad bit slower, Cant even play Frets on Fire in this kernel. the 24-11 kernel didnt affect it
[03:20] <savvas> well, I'll sacrifice speed to have a working network. Imagine that I was getting disconnected while talking in IRC, because my response time/ping lag got too high
[03:20] <IOU> i never had that proble,
[03:20] <IOU> *problem
[03:20] <savvas> not all of us get drunk either
[03:21] <IOU> lol good point
[03:21] <burner> anyone try an eee on hardy yet?
[03:21] <savvas> What I mean is it's probably a linux driver for my ethernet
[03:21] <IOU> excuse my thickness, but what is eee ?
[03:21] <jimmygoon> asus eee pc - ultraportable laptop
[03:21] <burner> teh asus eee pc
[03:21] <jimmygoon> (over rated) cough cough
[03:22] <IOU> ooh, in that case, no lol
[03:22]  * burner likes it and it was cheap
[03:22] <IOU> i know my DV1717tu hates it
[03:22] <burner> my desktop is lovin it
[03:22] <burner> in fact, i have 2 desktops lovin it
[03:23] <burner> i'm scare to upgrade my eee
[03:23] <burner> i like wireless networking
[03:23] <IOU> this seems to run it just peachy. Although  few initial hiccups with fglrx
[03:23] <jimmygoon> I'm trying really hard to love it...
[03:23] <savvas> burner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4515172
[03:23] <savvas> not much
[03:24] <savvas> i think the next release will target wireless networking and laptops
[03:24] <savvas> step by step.. :)
[03:24] <DanaG> eee would be even  MORE ultraportable if it supported SpeedStep.
[03:24] <DanaG> But nope, Asus seemed to want cheapness over everything.
[03:25] <jimmygoon> jeez, my window redraw time is so noticable in hardy/new kernel...
[03:25] <IOU> refresh my memory, feisty had a big emphasis on wireless networking didnt it?
[03:25] <jimmygoon> and firefox is lacking a home button
[03:25] <IOU> it is?
[03:25] <IOU> it is too
[03:25] <DanaG> It's on the bookmarks toolbar.
[03:25] <IOU> ah so it is
[03:25] <jimmygoon> I disable that. because it is annoying
[03:25] <DanaG> I usually have that toolbar hidden, so I had to go to Customize to get it back.
[03:26] <burner> savvas: cool, thanks, the wireless card was my suspicion.  i don't feel like recompiling throughout hardy development though
[03:26] <jimmygoon> Thanks. :)
[03:27] <jimmygoon> has anyone else testing hardy noticed fx3's weird font rendering
[03:27] <IOU> i havent noticed anything out of the ordinary
[03:27] <savvas> hm.. I'd love an eee lappy, I'll add it to my amazon wishlist, maybe someone will (not) buy it for me hehehe
[03:28] <DanaG> If I were looking for ultralight, I'd rather get a 12" with something like 9 hours of battery life.
[03:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mbp caught on fire!!
[03:28] <jimmygoon> my custom setting is gone from gnome-appearance-properties too
[03:28] <savvas> jimmygoon: you can add it by customizing the toolbars
[03:29] <jimmygoon> savvas, add what?
[03:29] <savvas> the home button
[03:29] <jimmygoon> savvas, the home button in firefox? DanaG got me fixed up already
[03:29] <jimmygoon> now its just the custom compiz option that I'm missing
[03:29] <savvas> ah sowwy
[03:29] <IOU> note to self, dont activate xgl, Everything turns white
[03:30] <DanaG> One thing I miss from the git compiz: snow.
[03:30] <DanaG> And snowglobe, too.
[03:30] <savvas> IOU: at least you get a leet cool snow-white lean mean killing machine :)
[03:30] <IOU> haha yeah
[03:30] <jimmygoon> grr. here's a bug. If you install simple-ccsm and full ccsm compizconfig-settings-manager and REMOVE simple-ccsm and leave the other... the option still disappears
[03:31] <jimmygoon> that and it still won't let me actually select custom effects. it just reverts my change and ignores it
[03:32] <IOU> hrm. i bet when i get my new motherboard and CPU i will have to reinstall -.-
[03:32] <DanaG>  sudo btrace /dev/sda
[03:32] <DanaG> BLKTRACESETUP: No such file or directory
[03:32] <DanaG> Failed to start trace on /dev/sda
[03:32] <DanaG> Aargh!
[03:33] <jimmygoon> Even better bug. It says it isn't using custom settings... but it IS!
[03:33] <jimmygoon> hahah the ultimate mind-screw
[03:34] <IOU> great
[03:34] <IOU> DMA doesnt work again
[03:34] <Asa_A> How do I get tab completion back in my terminal like I had in Gutsy? "sudo apti<tab>" doesn't work anymore
[03:36] <frank23> Asa_A: install bash-completion
[03:36] <savvas> i have a bug about that :)
[03:36] <frank23> Asa_A: I think that's the package name
[03:36] <savvas> correct frank23
[03:36] <Asa_A> thanks, do you know why it was removed from the default install?
[03:37] <frank23> Asa_A: it has been removed from bash upstream
[03:37] <savvas> nope but I can give you the link to confirm it
[03:38] <savvas> Bug #195163
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195163 in ubuntu-meta "hardy - need bash-completion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195163
[03:38] <jimmygoon> YAY! that was my other question
[03:38] <jimmygoon> I hate having to remember the full names of packages
[03:39] <frank23> savvas: I think it was removed because it's not being maintained
[03:39] <Asa_A> thanks
[03:39] <savvas> frank23: I had an update a while back
[03:40] <savvas>   Installed: 20060301-3
[03:40] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:40] <DanaG> compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[03:40] <DanaG> compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[03:40] <savvas> or maybe not
[03:40] <savvas> DanaG: you're hard *core* now :)
[03:42] <savvas> but even if not maintained, the bash-completion provides completion for enough command lines and their arguments
[03:43] <jimmygoon> Any chance of the human theme ever having shorter menu items since there are .... soooo many preferences menu items
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> hi, so I'm still stranded at bug 201673 any counseling channel or something?
[03:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "REGRESSION: glibc 2.7-9ubuntu1 NSS module broken due to toolchain changes" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> :(
[03:48] <xserver-sgl> anyone know if you can get back the notification area "information is available" popups after you dismiss them? I got one, read it, ignored it and I need to reference what it said now (8.04 a6)
[03:49] <alex_mayorga> it is worsened because I seem to have X borked on that desktop, any helping hands? thanks in advance
[03:50] <xserver-sgl> or... does anyone know what I have to do to resolve the  conflict between X and Xserver-xgl on startup w/ the script?
[03:51] <xserver-sgl> ooh system log maybe... would 8.04 a6 log notification area popups?
[03:51] <xserver-sgl> and if so, where?
[03:52] <jimmygoon> System->Administration -> System Logs
[03:52] <jimmygoon> or are you not at the gui now?
[03:52] <jimmygoon> I suppose /var/log somewhere
[03:53] <xserver-sgl> I have gui open... default gnome since settings-daemon won't start so it's kind of ugly
[03:53] <xserver-sgl> ;P
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> xserver-sgl, it should work if you use safe gnome
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> I mean fail safe gnome
[03:54] <xserver-sgl> yeah failsafe gnome works
[03:54] <jimmygoon> nautilus is actually transferring files faster now isn't it?
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> don-t know, my destokp is still borked :(
[03:55] <macogw> is everything frozen now?
[03:55] <macogw> or are bugfix patches still being taken?
[03:55] <macogw> there's an upstream patch i'd like to see included in hardy
[03:56] <alex_mayorga> macogw, is there a bug filed already?
[03:56] <xserver-sgl> I think features are frozen but bugfixes are still accepted
[03:56] <xserver-sgl> but dont quote me
[03:56] <jimmygoon> I hope bugfixes are still accepted... this stupid xorg/intel business hopefully will be fixed :(
[03:58] <DanaG> Wow, it just took 6 tries to start Compiz.
[03:58] <DanaG> That's really annoying.
[03:58] <alex_mayorga> can any one help me out of the libc6 problem, please?
[03:59] <xserver-sgl> you think if I purge the package that triggered the "information is available" popup it would bring it back on reinstall?
[03:59] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, boot from a live disc. use dpkg --root= whatever to reinstall libc6
[04:00] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, and check /topic because there are links with full solutions there
[04:00] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, problem at hand is my xserver-xorg is also acting up, how do I fix that from the Live CD?
[04:01] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, I dunna. Fix libc6 first. It will possibly/probably fix your xserver probs
[04:01] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, I've checked those but everyone seemed to have working X
[04:01] <macogw> alex_mayorga: i just filed one on launchpad
[04:01] <pwnguin> so X isnt working on the live CD
[04:02] <macogw> there was a bug filed and fixed on gnome's bugzilla
[04:02] <macogw> bug #202405
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202405 in rhythmbox "[Hardy] Rhythmbox loads songs before checking which directories to load from" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202405
[04:02] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, does X work from your livedisc? if so then you can fix it...???
[04:02] <macogw> jimmygoon: does your X keep crashing too?
[04:02] <alex_mayorga> I'm still torrenting the Live CD anyway, so please bear with me and thanks on the tips and pointers
[04:02] <jimmygoon> no...
[04:02] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, your xserver problems will not stop you from being able to fix the problem
[04:03] <jimmygoon> macogw, well, kinda. What driver are you on?
[04:03] <macogw> jimmygoon: intel
[04:03] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: if the live CD works, then you dont need to worry about the installed x server working or not to fix libc
[04:04] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks on the encouraging words :)
[04:04] <jimmygoon> macogw, :O yes! I finally got it configured properly and implemented a ton of workarounds from a lenthyl launchpad thread (that still is NOT resolved mind you) and when X was working "properly" it was causing gnome-settings-daemon to crash and had HORRIBLE refresh qualirt...I was waiting for the screen to render
[04:04] <xserver-sgl> HA! GOT IT
[04:04] <pwnguin> it might still be broke when you're done fixing libc, but you'll have no luck trying until libc is solved ;)
[04:04] <jimmygoon> macogw, of course, I just ended up switching bakc to "i810" since it worked
[04:04] <xserver-sgl> and sorry for all caps I couldn't resist
[04:05] <alex_mayorga> is it me or video has been quirkier on this release?
[04:05] <xserver-sgl> just for reference if you're looking for info given to you during package install look in synaptic, right-click on that package and go to installed files and check out all the stuff there to see if you can find it
[04:06] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, amen
[04:06] <pwnguin> i know they're trying to pull in intel's new drivers for compiz etc
[04:07] <pwnguin> and a transition between accelleration systems
[04:07] <macogw> jimmygoon: oh my whole X just dies
[04:07] <pwnguin> i forget the acronyms
[04:07] <macogw> jimmygoon: alt+SysRq+t gets me to a terminal, but if i try to restart gdm...no luck...still a black screen
[04:07] <pwnguin> anyone know an alternative to google browser sync?
[04:08] <pwnguin> one that works with both ff3 and ff2?
[04:08] <jimmygoon> macogw, ugh. I don't even know. I spent forever screwing with it this afternoon. I decided I'd wait till tomorrow and see what launchpad has to say
[04:08] <alex_mayorga> macogw, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh usually takes me out of X misery
[04:09] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, weave or something like that from mozilla labs
[04:10] <macogw> alex_mayorga: except that since gutsy that command does *nothing*
[04:10] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, I sync my bookmarks to del.icio.us
[04:10] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: only supports 3.0 and up =(
[04:10] <macogw> all it does is backup the file and exit
[04:10] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, what does -phigh do?
[04:10] <macogw> priority high
[04:10] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: i kinda also like the history sync
[04:10] <macogw> just the GUI stuff
[04:10] <Black_Magic> I found internet problem /ect/network/interfaces wasnt configuring ath0 (my interface) instead it was using ath1
[04:10] <macogw> jimmygoon: ^
[04:10] <Black_Magic> so ath0 wasnt getting configured
[04:10] <Black_Magic> = seemingly connected
[04:10] <Black_Magic> but no internet
[04:10] <Black_Magic> rebooted after change and it worked ;)
[04:11] <Black_Magic> Hopefully it keeps working
[04:11] <macogw> alex_mayorga: besides, hardy doesnt put anything in xorg.conf
[04:11] <Black_Magic> Well just wanted to say that
[04:11] <macogw> it just says "configured" for everything
[04:11] <macogw> ugh touchpads still not fixed
[04:12] <ionstorm> is it just me or does hardy have extreme memory consumption
[04:13] <macogw> yes
[04:13] <pwnguin> ionstorm: as measured by?
[04:13] <ionstorm> this is the first rls that im swapping to disk
[04:13] <macogw> i think except between 1/3 and 1/2 of my in-use memory is cached
[04:13] <ionstorm> swap
[04:13] <macogw> so im thinking it's just pre-fetching
[04:13] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:13] <pwnguin> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,
[04:13] <pwnguin> thats not good
[04:13] <ionstorm> how much ram?
[04:14] <macogw> me?
[04:14] <ionstorm> Swap:         2933        535       2398
[04:14] <alex_mayorga> don-t know, but that command usually gives me my GUI back
[04:14] <pwnguin> Mem:   1034952k total,   994800k used,    40152k free,   120104k buffers
[04:14] <macogw> $ free -m total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:14] <macogw> Mem:          1001        888        113          0         25        231
[04:14] <ionstorm> i have a gig of ram
[04:14] <ionstorm> my box shouldnt run slower than vista
[04:14] <macogw> i have a gig too
[04:14] <ionstorm>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:14] <ionstorm> Mem:          1009        970         38          0         49        367
[04:14] <ionstorm> -/+ buffers/cache:        554        455
[04:15] <ionstorm> what are u running
[04:15] <ionstorm> im running thunderbird/ettercap,updatemanager and xchat
[04:15] <ionstorm> and pidgin
[04:15] <pwnguin> those numbers are strange
[04:15] <ionstorm> why?
[04:16] <ionstorm> swapiness=0
[04:16] <pwnguin> they're very small
[04:16] <ionstorm> ive experimented between 0-100
[04:16] <IcemanV9> hmm ... dapper > hardy upgrade doesn't work well
[04:16] <pwnguin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59648/
[04:16] <macogw> irssi, firefox, tomboy, sunbird, and pidgin
[04:16] <ionstorm> how r they small?
[04:17] <macogw> pwnguin: free -m = in megabytes
[04:17] <corevette> banshee vs. rhythmbox....and why?
[04:17] <tritium> IcemanV9: you didn't expect it to, did you?
[04:17] <jimmygoon> Mem:       1521968    1450516      71452
[04:17] <jimmygoon> wth
[04:17] <macogw> corevette: rhythmbox because banshee doesnt watch directories well at all
[04:17] <jimmygoon> used 1.4 gig?
[04:17] <pwnguin> used includes buffers and cache
[04:17] <IcemanV9> tritium: no ... i was hoping it would be close to beta phase (less bugs) :-/
[04:17] <tritium> IcemanV9: :)
[04:18] <ionstorm> well linux naturally uses more ram *but* why am i getting shit swapped to disk?
[04:18] <pwnguin> basically, a lot of your memory is used to cache disk, instead of sitting idle
[04:18] <pwnguin> and having stuff in swap isnt nessecarily bad
[04:18] <corevette> macogw: how come rhythmbox is never updated? and is there anything better than rhythmbox?
[04:18] <pwnguin> whats bad is having lots of stuff moving in and out of sawp
[04:18] <pwnguin> swap
[04:18] <ionstorm> swap=crawls
[04:18] <IcemanV9> tritium: at least, i got an extra laptop (for my kids to play with) to see if it works ...
[04:18] <pwnguin> swap = a great place to put stuff you never use
[04:19] <pwnguin> i dont know offhand a way to measure swap hit rates
[04:19] <IcemanV9> which version that have guided partitioning with /home partition?? hoary or dapper?? how come we don't see them anymore?
[04:20] <IcemanV9> i see hardy doesn't have one
[04:21] <jimmygoon> is it prelink or preload that speeds things up?
[04:21] <ionstorm> i have preload installed, dont run it anymore, i was getting more swapped
[04:21] <ionstorm> preload works for some ppl
[04:21] <tritium> jimmygoon: preload is the newer method
[04:22] <strabes> i feel very dumb. I wanted to remove some of the options in my grub list, give the frequent kernel updates, so i removed several of the old linux-images (the ones before 12). It removed some other packages like linux-restricted-modules etc and now it will not recognize my intel sound card! What should I do? Is there a way to see which packages aptitude removed?
[04:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> IcemanV9, separate /home is not necessary to be default, esp when the hd is small
[04:23] <strabes> it's related to this bug but this was fixed awhile back - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/200338
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[04:24] <pwnguin> /var/log/dpkg.log might be a good start
[04:27] <IcemanV9> [Hardy]TuTUXG: i remembered when i installed ubuntu (hoary or dapper) it gave me a few choices including a separate /home partition ... and i never seen them again in later versions. i am just curious why it just disappeared. i thought a separate /home partition would be beneficial for serious ubuntu users like us. :-)
[04:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> IcemanV9, u could still manually set a separate /home partition
[04:29] <Gumby> allo all.  I am trying to setup the cube effect and Im not sure what is the current proper way to do this.  Does anyone have a URL one may read to figure this out?
[04:29] <macogw> rhythmbox is never updated? news to me. it sucked in dapper and is fully-featured in gutsy and hardy
[04:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rhythmbox is much nicer now
[04:30] <hydrogen> yea, it found a few more things to copy from amarok
[04:30] <alex_mayorga> Gumby> !compiz
[04:31] <Gumby> alex_mayorga: do I need to be identified or something for that to work?  I got no message?
[04:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hydrogen, thanks for mention that
[04:31] <IcemanV9> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yea ... alright. time to install hardy over dapper so my kids can play with newer stuffs
[04:32] <Gumby> oh sorry, you wanted me to do !compiz.  I thought you were getting the bot to say it to me :)
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> Gumby, I probably messed the message up
[04:32] <Gumby> !compiz
[04:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> !compiz
[04:32] <Gumby> alex_mayorga: probably something like !compiz > gumby
[04:32] <Gumby> hehe
[04:32] <J-_> Woah, when did this channel get so popular? =D
[04:32] <tritium> J-_: long ago
[04:32] <ethana2> It's the Year of the Linux desktop
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> about 2 years ago :)
[04:33] <J-_> hehe
[04:33] <macogw> alex_mayorga: pass it to him, do it as "!compiz | gumby"
[04:33] <pwnguin> what happens the year after the year of the linux desktop?
[04:33] <macogw> > makes it PM them
[04:33] <macogw> and | does it in channel with a ping
[04:33] <ethana2> total annihilation of windows
[04:33] <alex_mayorga> macogw, thanks, would try to remember
[04:33] <macogw> alex_mayorga: you know the pipe command?
[04:33] <pwnguin> in that case, it is not the year of the desktop, and wont be for five years or more
[04:34] <ethana2> pwnguin: this year is the year people are aware we exist, and the year we become better in every way
[04:34] <ethana2> .../after that/, windows market share will go into freefall
[04:34] <alex_mayorga> macogw, I'm supposed to know a bunch of things :(
[04:34] <pwnguin> ethana2: we didnt get better last year?
[04:34] <ethana2> ethana2: not in /every/ way
[04:34] <ethana2> WINE 1.0
[04:34] <virtuald> ethana2: especially since vista is crappy and slow
[04:35] <ethana2> compat with XP programs
[04:35] <ethana2> ...hardware we just got
[04:35] <pwnguin> wine's great and all, but its nothing like the value of native programs
[04:35] <ethana2> right
[04:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> wine is native afaik
[04:36] <virtuald> wine is not an emulator ;)
[04:38]  * IcemanV9 says dapper is good ol' stable system in a long time (problem-free)... will miss it. come on, hardy. let see if it beats dapper. (hardy is installing)
[04:39]  * alex_mayorga goes install dapper
[04:42] <telexicon> IcemanV9, not yet
[04:50] <Black_Magic> Small problem with All Pixmap images turning to small pages with crease at top instead of regular icon pictures..
[04:50] <Black_Magic> like Firefox 3.0 not having a desktop icon ect..
[04:50] <Black_Magic> just a page.
[04:52] <jimmygoon> where at? with compiz window thumbs?
[04:53] <pwnguin> people running hardy on laptops: is the power button bringing up a logout menu?
[04:53] <pwnguin> i have my power switch bring up a hibernate/suspend/etc menu, but it fails
[04:53]  * jimmygoon is afraid to push it now
[04:54] <pwnguin> it does nothing when configured to bring up that menu
[04:54] <jimmygoon> lawl. mine says "Music Player has stopped the policy action from taking place: Playing"
[04:54] <jimmygoon> heh
[04:54] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, confirmed here
[04:54] <pwnguin> it does turn the system off if i set it up that way
[04:54] <jimmygoon> from hitting hte POWER button
[04:55] <pwnguin> heh
[04:55] <pwnguin> bug 57672
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57672 in baltix "linux-image-2.6.15-26-amd64-generic_2.6.15-26.46_amd64 crash" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57672
[04:55] <pwnguin> bug 57872
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57872 in gnome-power-manager "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57872
[05:00] <Amaranth> ah, damn that inhibit support :P
[05:01] <pwnguin> should that bug really reuse the existing report?
[05:02] <Amaranth> doesn't really matter at this point, it's already Fix committed
[05:03] <J-_> Amaranth ftw! =)
[05:03] <pwnguin> but it does make the bug hard to read
[05:04] <Amaranth> J-_: what'd i do now? :)
[05:04] <J-_> told me to get this rockin laptop nonetheless.
[05:05] <Amaranth> ah :)
[05:05] <Amaranth> I'm going to get the dell
[05:05] <Amaranth> m1330 or whatever
[05:05]  * burner rocks an eee and loves it
[05:05] <J-_> cool
[05:05] <burner> but i can see the appeal in the xps
[05:05] <Amaranth> J-_: what did you get, i forgot
[05:05] <J-_> I've never had a Dell before
[05:06] <J-_> Thinkpad R61e
[05:06]  * burner bought the first dell dimension desktop with ubuntu...
[05:06] <Amaranth> The only reason I'm not looking to get a Thinkpad is because I want a 13.3" screen
[05:06] <Amaranth> and the dell has an LED backlight
[05:06] <burner> xps has a 13"
[05:06] <Amaranth> right
[05:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> "cough" thinkpad "cough"
[05:06] <burner> and linux support
[05:06] <Amaranth> for 13.3" your choices are xps 1330, thinkpad x300, and macbook air
[05:07] <tritium> Amaranth: I think that LED backlit screen has a lower resolution than the standard screen
[05:07] <Amaranth> tritium: that's probably a good thing, i'm blind
[05:07] <Amaranth> well, almost
[05:07] <voidmage> was it a conscious decision to have a "live desktop" and an "installer" mode for the livecd?
[05:07] <J-_> hrm, Amaranth ohh lappy like the macbook air, just with a cd(or dvd) rom?
[05:07] <voidmage> on hardy?
[05:07] <burner> i have nothing but good things to say about dell & ubuntu.  I even updated a BIOS in ubuntu
[05:07] <J-_> 13.3" must be really expensive. =|
[05:07] <tritium> Amaranth: ah, okay.  And I'm not sure if it comes with the integrated webcam or not.
[05:07] <voidmage> because i found it a hassle to check on things like mountpoints while running the livecd in "installer mode"
[05:07] <Amaranth> it does
[05:07] <Amaranth> and it doesn't mention a lower screen resolution
[05:08] <voidmage> had to switch to a tty to check on those since i found no way to get a terminal in the installer
[05:08] <Amaranth> voidmage: the installer mode is for low memory computers
[05:08] <burner> voidmage: next time use the livecd and install from it :)
[05:08] <tritium> Amaranth: really?  I'll check again.
[05:08] <Amaranth> voidmage: the regular mode still has the installer
[05:08] <voidmage> oh.
[05:08] <voidmage> maybe that needs a better description
[05:08] <IcemanV9> fwiw, ubuntu ran superb on thinkpad (i have tp z60m)
[05:09] <voidmage> btw, hardy is shaping up to be awesome
[05:09] <tritium> Amaranth: ah, the webcam is the difference: 2.0 Megapixel vs. VGA
[05:09] <Amaranth> so i can have 2 megapixels of crappy image or VGA resolution of crappy image
[05:10] <tritium> Amaranth: heh, I guess so :)
[05:10] <burner> does the thinkpad come with ubuntu?
[05:10] <tritium> burner: no
[05:10] <Amaranth> same thing as a cell phone camera
[05:10] <macogw> my bf just got a little thinkpad x61
[05:10] <voidmage> also are the oddities with "connect to server" known, such as saving the servers in your "places" favorites instead of with the server favorites, and the "unable to mount" errors?
[05:10] <macogw> he put ubuntu on it and called me for help
[05:10] <IcemanV9> alternative hardy install stopped at glibc detected *** parted_devices: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7e48ba8
[05:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> burner, no
[05:10] <Amaranth> a 2 megapixel regular camera will take a better photo than a 5 megapixel cell phone camera
[05:10] <macogw> he has about 14 more years of linux experience than i do
[05:10]  * burner knows what company he would support
[05:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> burner, u can choose suse on some models
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> when would IBM join the party?
[05:11] <tritium> Amaranth: I also intend to get a Dell, likely after they start shipping with 8.04
[05:11] <Amaranth> voidmage: putting them in places is deliberate, they are just bookmarks now same as the other things in places
[05:11]  * tritium has a T43p work laptop
[05:11] <IcemanV9> burner: no, but other linux dist (I don't recall its name)
[05:11] <jimmygoon> I'm getting a t61p soon hopefully :)
[05:11] <Amaranth> as for the other one i used connect to server to setup sftp and smb connections without problems
[05:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, t61p 14' here
[05:12] <alex_mayorga> Dell is finally selling ubuntu over here in latin america
[05:12] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, what res are you at? I'm trying to decide what size/res to get. I want to go all out full wuxga but I'm afraid that will be too small for even m
[05:12]  * pwnguin is just happy that he can browse smb with nautilus and launch mplayer on files found therein
[05:12] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, and a 14" would be nice compared to a 15.4" even though thats what Ihaven ow
[05:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, 1400x1050
[05:13] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, is it... adequate without being too big/small?
[05:13] <voidmage> Amaranth: oh. i kind of liked it in its own category
[05:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, the graphic card sucks compare to 15.4', but it's cheaper
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> whould the eeePC owner send me a PM, please?
[05:13] <gluer> im trying to play any music CD an it just wont play in any apps? any ideas?
[05:14] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah... thats the other things (though the MBP which I don't really like much... have 512mb graphics cards :O)
[05:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, i like the res, good enough for me
[05:14] <IcemanV9> my hp (dapper) runs in 1400x1050; it looks so beautiful and sharp
[05:14] <gluer> and yes...i checked the volume
[05:14] <macogw> gluer: have you used flash in firefox lately?
[05:14] <gluer> no
[05:15]  * IcemanV9 restarted the hardy install
[05:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, and the 14' use ddr2 ram for graphic card, compare ddr3 for the 15.4
[05:15] <jimmygoon> Well, my dad has a t60 and its 1400x1050 and its pretty much right on... so on a 15.4 its either go up a bit to wuxga or go down to 1440x1050 (on a bigger screen)
[05:15] <macogw> im going on vacation tomorrow and my net access will be in the form of a Verizon EVDO USB dongle....anyone know if I can use that in Ubuntu?  it's for my dad's windows computer
[05:15] <gluer> why cant i just open the cd.. right click the wav and select Play? where is that option?
[05:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, i prefer to a widescreen 14.1 screen too, but they only offer those for t61
[05:16] <IcemanV9> macogw: try it while you're home
[05:17] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah and the graphics cards for those is similar to the integrated intel junko Ive got now
[05:17] <alex_mayorga> why don-t order a Raven X1 or whatever they call the linux enabled lenovo tablets nowadays
[05:17] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, cause those lack power compared to the t61p :) and because the t61p has decent linux support ... ibm was pretty good about that
[05:18] <IcemanV9> man, alternative hardy is taking a long to detect network hardware ...
[05:18]  * pwnguin has a widescreen 14.1
[05:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, for t61? i think it's a quadro 140m, much better than intel afaik, similar to a gforce 8400m gs
[05:18] <IcemanV9> s/long/long time
[05:18] <pwnguin> from toshiba
[05:18] <pwnguin> its a tablet though ;)
[05:19] <pwnguin> it took me a long time to find a tablet with quality 3d
[05:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, in other hand, t61p has a quadro fx 570m which is similar to a gforce 8600m gt
[05:19] <jimmygoon> ( I don't know what any of those mean :P )
[05:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, gforce 8600m gt is what mbp has
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, what model is that?
[05:20] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, mk
[05:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, what i mean is that the regular t61 is good enough on graphic side, much better than integrated intel cards
[05:21] <macogw> IcemanV9: i dont have it at home
[05:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimmygoon, the t61p just offers some more extra
[05:22] <jimmygoon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah. I probably need to rethink just how much of a graphics card I REALLY need...
[05:22] <macogw> IcemanV9: it's my dad's wireless card. we live 250 miles apart and are meeting up in florida for spring break, then going our separate ways again.
[05:22] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: tecra m7. i had to custom order the quadro nvs 110m, and i think they redid the model
[05:23] <macogw> gluer: if you double click it should open in nautilus and let you do that
[05:23] <pwnguin> ok, since there's so many laptop users here, anyone have an sd card and a  Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)
[05:23] <alex_mayorga> toshiba really dropped the ball on killing that series
[05:23] <macogw> pwnguin: yes
[05:23] <IcemanV9> macogw: ah. oh well. i'm sure you can test it and find out. and, research on it before you go. good luck and have fun.
[05:23] <pwnguin> in gutsy it would never work. now it's only a 50 / 50 chance
[05:24] <macogw> IcemanV9: no idea of the model number...so no idea how to research that
[05:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pwnguin, i have a ext 6-1 card reader but i dont use it a lot
[05:24] <macogw> on we have a different model then
[05:24] <macogw> there are a few different TI 5-in-1 blah blah blah's
[05:24] <macogw> mine has worked consistently since a week after feisty's release
[05:24] <pwnguin> pcixx12
[05:25] <macogw> and worked in edgy if i listed the modules in the /etc/modules
[05:25] <gluer> last nite i used an old usb tv tuner through kaffeine ran it into stereo - tv - and projector on wall, through hardy didnt miss a beat
[05:25] <gluer> hehehe
[05:25] <macogw> pcixx12? where do you get that?
[05:25] <pwnguin> lspci
[05:25] <macogw> lspci doesnt say anything like that for me
[05:25] <IcemanV9> cool, gluer
[05:25] <pwnguin> Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller
[05:26] <gluer> ice! very very cool
[05:26] <macogw> is that lscpi -v?
[05:26] <pwnguin> nope
[05:26] <macogw> mine sats exactly what you posted before....how did it change in 2 minutes?
[05:26] <macogw> *says
[05:26] <pwnguin> different line
[05:26] <macogw> 04:09.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) <-- mine
[05:27] <macogw> oh
[05:27] <gluer> ice: on projector the cube and the wobbly BS windows looks amazing
[05:27] <macogw> ooo
[05:27] <IcemanV9> gluer: ha. i am sure. :)
[05:27] <gluer> hehehe
[05:27] <macogw> ok mine says: 04:09.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller
[05:28] <pwnguin> try lsmod | grep tifm
[05:29] <macogw> they're all loaded, as they should be
[05:29] <macogw> aren't yours?
[05:29] <pwnguin> just two
[05:29] <pwnguin> core and 7xx1
[05:29] <macogw> modprobe the sd one?
[05:29] <macogw> mmc_core should be calling tifm_sd
[05:30] <macogw> wait wrong
[05:30] <macogw> tifm_sd calls mmc_core
[05:30] <pwnguin> they loaded
[05:30] <pwnguin> but nothing changed in dmesg or the device itself
[05:31] <macogw> probably to do with yours being an SD Host Controller and mine being CardBus
[05:32] <pwnguin> i have cardbus listed as well
[05:32] <pwnguin> but thats the interconnect i think
[05:32] <pwnguin> but if you dont have the sd host then who knows
[05:33] <macogw> nope...lspci | grep Texas gets the 5-in-1 line, the CardBus line, and one about FireWire
[05:34] <pwnguin> anyways, ive seen bug reports about it in the past, but mine seemed extra broke.
[05:34] <pwnguin> guess i'll reboot and hope the magic coin lands head up this time
[05:34] <macogw> that line could be the explanation
[05:35] <gluer> are avail WAP's supposed to give some kind of notification? i dont get any
[05:37] <pwnguin> gluer: god i hope not. theres like 20 here
[05:38] <gluer> ive got 2 cisco N1 cards in..im trying to get both running so i can get 600meg
[05:38] <gluer> and two n1 waps
[05:40] <gluer> pwnguin: lol mcdonalds is 250 metres from my house i could get free internet of their McWapCrap
[05:40] <gluer> ;-)
[05:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> fuck adobe, seriously
[05:41] <Flannel> !language
[05:41] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[05:41] <gluer> i agree.. i need wine to give me CS3 support
[05:45] <jimmygoon> see yall thanks for the hearty hardy help
[05:46] <gluer> can i bridge two n1 cards with two n1 waps?
[05:55] <Fjodor_> Hmmm, any ideas about emerald-theme-manager not showing buttons to download themes even though subversion _is_ installed?
[05:58] <crdlb> Fjodor_: that feature was removed since those repos no longer exist
[05:59] <Fjodor_> crdlb: Ah, ok. That seems reasonable then ;-) But where and how do I get themes then?
[06:00] <crdlb> Fjodor_: there are themes on various websites like gnome-look.org
[06:00] <pwnguin> macogw: going through the bugs, i seem to have found a script that eventually brings up the sd card by adding/removing the module
[06:00] <pwnguin> macogw: i see you used to have problems with sd too ;)
[06:00] <crdlb> (they're usually incorrectly labeled as "beryl themes")
[06:00] <Fjodor_> crdlb: Ok, thanks again :-)
[06:01] <Lynoure> KDE3.5.9 and KDE4.0 kubuntus seem to have different install images, is it easy to install both versions of kde on a single instance of the OS in hardy?
[06:06] <macogw> pwnguin: yes in edgy it required manually loading the modules and in feisty devel it was broken, then fixed, then they dropped the driver version number backwards (doh!) and then a week or two after feisty's release they brought back the working driver
[06:07] <pwnguin> macogw: i noticed it worked in like dapper or edgy for the first time and was happy
[06:07] <pwnguin> then it stopped working; even the scripts to try a billion times would fail
[06:08] <pwnguin> apparently mandriva patched this by updating the timeout for sd
[06:08] <pwnguin> from 2 to 10
[06:08] <pwnguin> looking what it's set to currently
[06:11] <macogw> ugh
[06:12] <pwnguin> yea, it's still set to 2
[06:12] <macogw> ubuntu devs say rhythmbox came from gnome in feb, after the patch for my issue was committed, so it's in hardy
[06:12] <macogw> gnome devs say this means the problem is hal's not theirs
[06:12] <macogw> hal reports correct info, so rhythmbox has to be doing it wrong
[06:13] <pwnguin> rhythmbox didnt come from gnome
[06:13] <pwnguin> it came from debian
[06:13] <Lynoure> I wonder if my question was too stupid or too difficult... I'd expect someone to know.
[06:14] <pwnguin> Lynoure: it SHOULD be trivial, but i dont use kde
[06:14] <pwnguin> maybe they make it hard?
[06:14] <gluer> in my opinion i dont think any question is stupid
[06:14] <pwnguin> Lynoure: you've excluded the possibility that nobody is using kubuntu ;)
[06:15] <Lynoure> pwnguin: was not hard in gutsy, but kind of hoping to get certain answer from someone before choosing which image to install
[06:15] <pwnguin> "image"?
[06:15] <Lynoure> pwnguin: someone is, maybe not just awake
[06:15] <Lynoure> pwnguin: which image to install from...
[06:16] <pwnguin> you should be able to set up whatever if you're clever enough
[06:16] <pwnguin> it's all the same repos and apt
[06:16] <Lynoure> pwnguin: Not a native speaker. Not interested in being 'clever' at this point, just wanting to test things as-is.
[06:17] <pwnguin> well, i havent done what you're looking for. anyone else is welcome to chime in here.
[06:17] <Lynoure> pwnguin: one of the things that get too little testing on Kubuntu side is the doing things by the book, the way reasonably new user would. So that's my hobby =)
[06:18] <pwnguin> Lynoure: knock yourself out. i just try to get all my hardware working ;
[06:18] <gluer> lynoure: is the an edubuntu?
[06:18] <gluer> there
[06:19] <Lynoure> gluer: Sorry, I did not understand your question... I don't use edubuntu.
[06:19] <gluer> i have over 800 pcs just waiting for novell to produce a deb login client and i will swap to ubuntu
[06:21] <macogw> pwnguin: well i'm compiling gnome's svn now, so we'll see
[06:23] <Lynoure> gluer: I hope it will happen soon. Or that a compatible open source client will be developed.
[06:23] <gluer> damn: i really hope so too, ive been on this channel for ages trying to figure out a way to have that happen...
[06:24] <gluer> friggin novell
[06:24] <gluer> in australia majority of colleges are still using novell
[06:27] <Lynoure> gluer: you could try to scare them into it with an impatient letter, maybe co-signed with someone else
[06:28] <gluer> ive done all that! many times...with different products they drop..
[06:28] <gluer> anyway wrong channel to discuss hehehe
[06:30] <gluer> any chance ubuntu can create a novell login client? i mean a proper one
[06:30] <gluer> :-)
[06:32] <macogw> pwnguin: ah ha! youre right.  it was synced from debian in feb, but debian sync'd before dec
[06:34] <Lynoure> gluer: I messaged you a bit on this...
[06:36] <clsk> If I install the alpha version will I be able to upgrade to the beta and then to the final release without having to reinstall?
[06:37] <Lynoure> clsk: that's how it is supposed to go, yes.
[06:38] <gluer> lynoure: apologies was just servicing the hardware on my wife
[06:38] <gluer> ;-)
[06:40] <pwnguin> macogw: well, i am amazing
[06:40] <macogw> pwnguin: at least given that the SVN works, that's what i assume happened
[06:44] <awalton__> macogw, I checked the rb source myself, that patch is definitely in ubuntu's sync.
[06:44] <awalton__> it's possible a newer patched fixed the issue though.
[06:44] <macogw> heyy you're the same person
[06:44] <awalton__> indeed. I am a.walton
[06:44]  * macogw is slow
[06:45] <macogw> ok so then i guess the request on the bug should be to sync to upstream rhythmbox?
[06:45] <awalton__> if gnome were awesome and used git, I'd tell you to git-bisect and find the commit so we could backport it.
[06:46] <awalton__> but yeah, you can see if the powers that be will backport it from svn
[06:46] <macogw> is there any way to figure out *which* patch to rhythmbox fixed it? aside from doing checkouts from different time periods to see when it suddenly works correctly?
[06:46] <awalton__> that's pretty much what git-bisect does.
[06:46] <macogw> where would i find these Powers That Be?
[06:47] <macogw> #ubuntu-devel?
[06:47] <awalton__> I'm not sure, which master of the universe is responsible for gnome, or specifically, rhythmbox?
[06:47] <macogw> it wouldnt be MOTU
[06:47] <macogw> that's all in main
[06:47] <awalton__> it's probably seb128, but Im not 100% on that.
[06:47] <awalton__> if he's in nautilus in the next couple of days I'll ping him about it
[06:52] <macogw> well he should be getting emails from launchpad about it
[06:52] <macogw> he's listed as subscribed...i guess cuz he got auto-subscribed
[06:59] <DanaG> I like the toned-down wallpaper, but it seems a bit ugly color to me.
[06:59] <DanaG> My mom described the old one, at least, as looking like "baby puke".
[07:05] <macogw> the old one looked like the outside of a soymilk bottle
[07:05] <macogw> well, chocolate soymilk
[07:05] <macogw> my cousin called it chocolate mousse and asked for a spoon
[07:06] <macogw> this is the soymilk i mean: http://www.iateapie.net/images/brands/silkchocolatemilk.jpg
[07:07] <DanaG> Oh, good point there; however, the brown would need a bit of tweaking.
[07:07] <gluer> my couches are a very nice chocolate color
[07:07] <gluer> hehe
[07:08] <DanaG> Hmm,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530&page=7
[07:09] <gluer> i think the hardy wallpaper looks terrible
[07:09] <DanaG> Take a look at my tweaked heron linked in there.
[07:10] <DanaG> Yeah, the current gross brown-orange looks bad to me.
[07:10] <gluer> yeh ok but its 'tweaked' pls dont release this one
[07:10] <awalton__> macogw, I really can't find that bug in that plugin, it hasn't even changed since that patch was introduced in december.. it had to have been fixed elsewhere.
[07:10] <DanaG> Have you ever seen the Red HP laptop in Best Buy?  Try setting it to the 'woodgrain' wallpaper -- it looks really really nice.
[07:10] <ethana2> approved to run updates now?
[07:11] <ethana2> everyone liking them today?  no explosions?
[07:11] <ethana2> ...here i go
[07:12] <DanaG> Specifically, look at the wallpaper with the tree-ish thingy:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[07:13] <DanaG> Some of these textures can also be inspiration:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_design.html
[07:15] <macogw> ethana2: its all working fine
[07:16] <macogw> awalton__: weird
[07:16] <awalton__> it is :-/
[07:16] <macogw> well, all i know is that svn version works and ubuntu version doesnt
[07:16] <macogw> well....ubuntu version works for many values of works, but not this wone
[07:16] <macogw> s/wone/one
[07:17] <awalton__> well, at least that gives you a well defined start and end point for git-bisect.
[07:17] <pwnguin> macogw: you're funny. "rhythmbox maintainer"
[07:17] <macogw> why?
[07:17] <pwnguin> there are no owners in ubuntu
[07:17] <gluer> DanaG: i can tell you that just like i did with xp a few years the first thing i did was mod my desktop to suite me, i feel the wallpaper looks crappy, I could open my freezer right now, and open my tub of half eaten choc and caramel swirl icecream and take a high res pic and it would look better
[07:17] <macogw> really?
[07:17] <pwnguin> there's just "last guy who touched this"
[07:18] <macogw> but there are maintainers listed in the packaging stuff...
[07:18] <Arelis> is the BETA released?
[07:18] <DanaG> When in Windows, I use the Eminence theme.
[07:18] <ethana2> Arelis:...
[07:18] <macogw> Arelis: no
[07:18] <ethana2> Arelis: last time i checked the release
[07:18] <gluer> DG: first impressions really do count
[07:18] <ethana2> Arelis: there was no beta planned
[07:18] <Arelis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta <-- this page exists. But the HardyHeron page only has alpha 1 to 6
[07:18] <ethana2> exactly
[07:18] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp%20kuti%20heron%20tweaked.png
[07:18] <gluer> especially with the students
[07:18] <DanaG> cool idea there.
[07:19] <pwnguin> macogw: there's an original maintainer, but that's from debian.
[07:19] <awalton__> macogw, there have only been about 300 commits between then and now, should only take 8-10 git-bisect steps to find the bug.
[07:19] <DanaG> This thing here will also likely need some sort of bisect:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[07:19] <macogw> Arelis: beta freeze has happened, but not beta release
[07:19] <ethana2> DanaG: very nice
[07:19] <pwnguin> macogw: ubuntu desktop team is the maintainer of rhythmbox
[07:19] <macogw> oh
[07:19] <DanaG> That's one of HP's business-laptop wallpapers.
[07:19] <DanaG> With the heron on top.
[07:19] <Arelis> macogw: alright. And is there new artwork yet?
[07:20] <macogw> you mean different from gutsy? yes
[07:20] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Wallpapers/
[07:20] <Arelis> can you show me a screenshot of the whole package and the GTK+ theme?
[07:20] <DanaG> Specifically, it's Wallpapers/Third/Portrait
[07:21] <macogw> i also dont think Rhythmbox should report that there are whatever-hundred files missing because you unplugged the PMP
[07:21] <macogw> and ooo weird
[07:21] <macogw> awalton__: here's one better
[07:21] <macogw> now that ive compiled the svn one, the original works
[07:21] <macogw> well, compiled and used
[07:22] <macogw> :-/ that could just have to do with dynamically linked libraries & plugins and path order though
[07:22] <awalton__> that's just plain weird.
[07:22] <DanaG> Anyway, I'm going to go to bed in about 8 minutes.
[07:23] <macogw> so specific
[07:23] <Arelis> Guys, is this message true?: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/02/04/new-theme-for-ubuntu-804-deferred/
[07:23] <awalton__> could be HAL magic voodoo though.
[07:23] <awalton__> I've seen some really really weird things come out of HAL.
[07:24] <DanaG> That heron on HP wallpaper is pretty snazzy.  Picture that with Ubuntu colors, and not as much of an obvious copy of HP's design.
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh hey, if you check out the Second wallpaper, and invert the screen, that looks cool, too.
[07:25] <macogw> awalton__: i reproduced it 3x with the old one :-/
[07:25] <macogw> then i compiled svn and it worked
[07:25] <macogw> then i tried old one after compiling svn and it worked too
[07:25] <macogw> which is freaky
[07:25] <awalton__> that it is.
[07:26] <awalton__> did you upgrade that machine from gutsy to hardy?
[07:26] <macogw> no
[07:26] <awalton__> there goes that theory.
[07:27] <macogw> i installed hardy fresh to kill the virus (Windows) that the repair place installed on it
[07:27] <macogw> that was only 2...maybe 3...weeks ago
[07:27] <awalton__> sounds like fun
[07:28] <awalton__> it's probably some little thing that we're missing, like a gconf key schema that wasn't installed or something
[07:28] <awalton__> but I really have no idea, it's just plain bizarre
[07:30] <oxigen> oh, there are some new upgrades in the repository, any major problems with it?
[07:30] <macogw> no
[07:30] <macogw> theyre fine
[07:30] <oxigen> cool! :)
[08:21] <brianski> how's hardy looking for those who are using it?
[08:21] <wxPython> hello
[08:21] <wxPython> brianski as i've read a hardy review, it is already a very promising thing as it stated
[08:22] <wxPython> and that was said for hardy alpha 6! ;)
[08:22] <wxPython> wait till the final version arrives
[08:22] <wxPython> when more bugs are fixed and stuff like that
[08:23] <wxPython> then it'll be even better as it already is ;)
[08:23] <wxPython> ubuntu is better than every linux distro
[08:23] <wxPython> if you ask me ;)
[08:24] <wxPython> can't wait for the beta
[08:24] <wxPython> to test it
[08:25] <wxPython> and the final version of course :)
[08:26] <brianski> wxPython: well i like ubuntu plenty too, my hopes are up for hardy
[08:27] <cwillu> brianski, it's looking to be a fairly amazing release
[08:27] <cwillu> technically at least
[08:27] <brianski> but they were high for gutsy, and i was let down. i'm hoping the fact that it's a LTS release, and that various risks were taken in gutsy will mean a nice, featureful yet relatively bug-free release
[08:28] <brianski> maybe like the rule for apple, aovid the .0 releases, ubuntu's rule will be avoid the .-1 releases ;-)
[08:28] <cwillu> b43 for the broadcom wireless cards, cfs scheduler, ff3, pulse audio, etc
[08:28] <brianski> yeah i'm looking forward to pulse audio and tickless on amd64
[08:28] <wxPython> brianski yes, the LTS thing does promise a stable distro but nothing is bug-free, only bug-less :)
[08:29] <brianski> cwillu: ff3?
[08:29] <wxPython> yeah
[08:29] <cwillu> default browser is ff3
[08:29] <brianski> what's that?
[08:29] <cwillu> firefox 3
[08:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> firefox3
[08:29] <brianski> oh
[08:29] <brianski> duh
[08:29] <wxPython> firefox
[08:29] <brianski> nice
[08:29] <cwillu> extremely improved memory usage, big performance increases across the board
[08:29] <brianski> ffox3 is kind of disappointing to me, but that's another story
[08:29] <wxPython> but they'll include the beta in the final release
[08:29] <brianski> cwillu: i'm waiting with baited breath for ff4 already, heh
[08:29] <wxPython> ff3 will be beta
[08:29] <cwillu> lol
[08:30] <brianski> tamarin, better threading support, etc.
[08:30] <wxPython> well, unless the mozilla group releases the final version fast ;)
[08:30] <cwillu> yep, that'll be nice
[08:30] <brianski> isn't cfs scheduler already on gutsy?
[08:31] <wxPython> cfs?
[08:31] <wxPython> what is that?
[08:31] <brianski> huh it looks like it isn't
[08:31] <brianski> completely fair scheduler
[08:31] <wxPython> oh
[08:31] <brianski> a better scheduler for desktops and laptops
[08:32] <wxPython> is rhythmbox going to be replaced with some other app?
[08:32] <brianski> ? what's wrong with rhythmbox?
[08:32] <wxPython> because rhythmbox sux
[08:32] <brianski> hmm, i rather like it
[08:33] <brianski> you can always install k3b or somesuch
[08:33] <wxPython> amarok rox
[08:33] <brianski> err s/k3b/amarok/
[08:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> brianski, cfs is not in gusty afaik
[08:33] <brianski> brainfart
[08:33] <woden> what's the name of the package to install libc header files onto my system?
[08:33] <brianski> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yeah it looks like it isn't
[08:33] <brianski> libc6-dev?
[08:34] <brianski> or maybe linux-libc-dev
[08:34] <sigp239> brianski:  Is that it?
[08:34] <brianski> (but i'm running gutsy so it might have changed)
[08:34] <brianski> sigp239: not sure, i always just install build-essential and don't worry about the particulars
[08:39] <wxPython> How to make Amarok my default music player on gnome?
[08:39] <wxPython> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/amarok /usr/local/bin/rhythmbox
[08:39] <pwnguin> thats a terrible way
[08:40] <pwnguin> right click on a .ogg (or .mp3)
[08:40] <pwnguin> go to properties
[08:40] <pwnguin> "open with"
[08:40] <wxPython> Just go to System -> Preferred Applications -> Multimedia
[08:40] <wxPython> Then chose Custom Player option and type amarok in Command field.
[08:40] <wxPython> or is there another way?
[08:40] <pwnguin> that'd probably be the best
[08:41] <wxPython> because i want to make amarok the system default media player
[08:41] <wxPython> so when music button on my multimedia keyboard is pressed, amarok should start
[08:42] <wxPython> and also when i plug in my iPod or my mp3 player, amarok should start
[08:44] <wxPython> this is the answer...
[08:44] <wxPython> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
[08:44] <wxPython> ;)
[08:46] <wxPython> i'll post the answer anyway
[08:46] <wxPython> How to make Amarok the default software for your iPod
[08:46] <wxPython>    1. Select System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media.
[08:46] <wxPython> 2. Select the Multimedia tab and then click the Browse… button in the Portable Music Players section.
[08:46] <oxigen> hmm, i just noticed that i dont have games (hmm, except Dreamchess) any more in the menu? am i alone with this?
[08:46] <wxPython> 3. Assuming you installed Amarok in the default location, select File System from the Places column, then the usr folder and finally the bin folder. Scroll down to amarok, select it and then click the Open button.
[08:47] <wxPython> 4. Back at the Removable Devices and Media Preferences window, click the Close button.
[08:47] <wxPython> 5. The next time you plug in your iPod, Amarok will launch.
[08:48] <wxPython> say i have a SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player... is it also possible to configure Amarok for it?
[08:49] <wxPython> do i have to choose the MTP Media Device in Amarok configuration and set my player's USMmode to MTP?
[08:50] <wxPython> *USB mode to MTP
[08:50] <wxPython> ?
[08:51] <wxPython> maybe i need to install the plugin for that?
[08:52] <wxPython> maybe i need to install the sansa plugin or something so that it's available in the Media Devices plugin combobox...?
[08:52] <wxPython> are you all dead or what
[08:52] <oxigen> wxPython: maybe you should ask this @ #amarok or something..
[08:52] <wxPython> ?
[08:52] <wxPython> okay i will
[09:02] <KEB1> hello, i want to use  firefox 2, how can i make that  its german?
[09:03] <KEB1> under gusty i have only to type "mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de"
[09:10] <KEBA> (10:02:32) KEBA: hello, i want to use  firefox 2, how can i make that  its german?
[09:10] <KEBA> (10:03:08) KEBA: under gusty i have only to type "mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de"
[10:03] <kristian42> It seems like i'm getting a generic video driver on a64 and the included nvidia driver does not work. Any suggestions ?
[10:26] <jimqode> New time zone selector is a pain in the neck
[10:26] <jimqode> Are the going to change it back? I think they should.
[10:26] <kyklone> may you make a screenshot?
[10:26] <kyklone> :)
[10:27] <jimqode> kyklone, was it at me?
[10:27] <kyklone> ya
[10:27] <jimqode> it is an interactivity problem, not a visual one
[10:28] <jimqode> screenshot wouldn't tell anything
[10:28] <jimqode> in gutsy, first click zoomed the map
[10:28] <jimqode> then you selected a city
[10:28] <jimqode> in hardy map zoom when you put you pointer in the map
[10:28] <jimqode> then moving the pointer pans the map and also moves the pointer
[10:28] <kyklone> ah this timezone selector... i dont think it is even work since time is UTC anyway
[10:29] <kyklone> i expected UTC/localtime switcher or something
[10:29] <jimqode> hmm i'm still not sure we're talking about the same issue :)
[10:30] <jimqode> i'm talking about the timezone selector in the ubuntu installer
[10:30] <kyklone> yeah i know
[10:30] <|DuReX|> It would be cool if dmraid devices would get a /dev/disk/by-uuid symlink etc .. :s
 no matter what you select in ubuntu installer, time will be UTC
[10:34] <jimqode> kyklone, but that's a separate problem altogether. Never mind I found the bug report for this one.
[10:34] <jimqode> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/199728
[10:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199728 in ubiquity "hardy alpha6 install timezone map" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:36] <kyklone> jimqode: well this probably not a bug but usability problem... i mean i think it is intended
[10:50] <jimqode> well it's not a very good idea then. I had to struggle for minutes on that screen. There is no option for Istanbul on the dropdown
[10:53] <Hobbsee> wonder why evand hasn't responded to that yet
[10:53] <gebeleizis> [help] ubuntu hardy, thunderbird gets the ugliest fonts (this is because they are so small, but if I change the size then all the other applications get to big fonts). Why is this happening?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> gebeleizis: change it in thunderbird preferences, not the entire gnome
[10:54] <gebeleizis> how? I am playing with fonts in thunderbird and nothing
[10:55] <gebeleizis> it only changes the fonts inside the mails, but the menus and stuff nothing
[10:55] <kyklone> and openoffice in kubuntu not obey system font settings...
[10:55] <kyklone> and i found no way to fix it inside openoffice
[10:57] <Hobbsee> gebeleizis: hmm, strange.  i don't know.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> kyklone: no, you'll need to change that in the open office settings
[10:58] <Hobbsee> or the gtk apps module in system settings, come to think of it
[10:59] <kyklone> from what i remember openoffice not have setting to make fonts antialiased (appear not thick), dunno about gtk module
[10:59] <kyklone> or this is not work
[11:00] <nacer> hey hey
[11:00] <kyklone> is openoffice gtk app?
[11:00] <nacer> do you know the bug waiting for root file system
[11:00] <nacer> with the generic kernel
[11:01] <nacer> with the 386 one he s booting
[11:10] <kyklone> Hobbsee, from what i reading on internet, openoffice is not gtk, it can use gtk, or can use QT
[11:11] <kyklone> uses own toolkit internally
[11:23] <afflux> ubotu: mp3
[11:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <gebeleizis> I just reinstalled thunderbird with ubuntuzilla and everything is good
[11:30] <kyklone> ubuntuzilla?
[11:34] <gebeleizis> http://ubuntuzilla.wiki.sourceforge.net/
[11:37] <|DuReX|> I upgraded to Hardy :) works perfect, but still I can't get my wireless card into Master mode, i get: after iwconfig wlan0 mode Master, 'SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument'
[11:37] <|DuReX|> :(
 isnt backports must be a better way than this? to install latest software...
[11:41] <cwillu> |DuReX|, just want to make sure you know what you're into, 'works perfect' doesn't mean it'll still work perfect tomorrow, you know that right? :p
[11:42] <|DuReX|> ofc :) not a linux noob :)
[11:42] <|DuReX|> :p
[11:42] <cwillu> okay, just making sure (the libc debacle, et al :p)
[11:42] <cwillu> what chipset?
[11:43] <|DuReX|> RTL 8187
[11:43] <cwillu> bah, no experience with that set, sorry
[11:44] <gebeleizis> I hae no ideaa, but the fact that is working...I don't care
[11:46] <|DuReX|> it uses a real linux driver at least
[11:46] <|DuReX|> no ndiswrapper
[11:48] <cwillu> why must gvfs be such an unreliable piece of !#!@#!@?
[11:48] <cwillu> I have yet to be able to use it for a solid day without it hanging nautilus
[11:51] <kyklone> ubuntu have drop-down menu for grub installation but kubuntu not
[12:12] <kyklone> mm i just tested openoffice fonts in kubuntu once again, and KDE font settings are applied this time, no configuration required... but this is openoffice 2.4.0... i probably tested 2.3.1 last time
[12:13] <kyklone> nice
[12:14] <kyklone> if its not related to video driver... cuz now i run this in virtual machine
[13:13] <wxPython> hello
[13:14] <secretlondon> hi
[13:14] <wxPython> there is one question that i have regarding to hardy heron
[13:15] <wxPython> is there going to be an internet connection wizard in Ubuntu 8.04?
[13:15] <wxPython> as a newbie, i had to do  sudo pppoeconf
[13:15] <secretlondon> I doubt it as there isn't one yet
[13:16] <wxPython> and i wasn't very keen on this
[13:16] <secretlondon> there does seem to be issues with ppp currently
[13:16] <wxPython> hmm
[13:16] <secretlondon> as network manager doesn't seem to deal well with dial up connections
[13:16] <wxPython> in ubuntu hardy?
[13:17] <secretlondon> eg firefox thinks i'm offline until I tell it otherwise
[13:17] <secretlondon> yes in hardy
[13:17] <wxPython> hmmm
[13:17] <secretlondon> I use wvdial to get my connection
[13:17] <wxPython> so you don't do  sudo pppoeconf in the console?
[13:18] <wxPython> but i am refering to pppoe
[13:18] <wxPython> not ppp
 network manager now includes simple GUI for pppoe connections
[13:18] <kyklone> also GPRS
[13:18] <wxPython> wow
[13:18] <wxPython> great
[13:18] <KEBA> hello, i cant choose my nvidia driver, what can i do?
[13:19] <secretlondon> kyklone the gprs doesn't work for me (or didn't)
[13:19] <wxPython> kyklone where is it located?
[13:19] <wxPython> System > .... ?
 did you initialized gprs modem with wvdialconf ?
[13:19] <kyklone> after that i think it should work
[13:19] <KEBA> my xorg.conf is really really broken, but i cant configurate "it"
[13:19] <secretlondon> kyklone its set up in wvdial.conf
[13:20] <wxPython> what's the label of the that GUI for pppoe connections?
[13:20] <wxPython> i am not on hardy now so i can't look
 well maybe it is just old mess, that network manager dont write "auto interface" in config file currently, maybe it is not work cuz of it, but i think it should be fixed
[13:21] <wxPython> in Windows XP, there is New Connection Wizard
[13:21] <wxPython> but in Hardy it is what?
[13:21] <kyklone> pppoe work for me if i fix "interfaces" file after network manager made its changes
[13:22] <kyklone> wxPython i click in tray, manual config
[13:22] <wxPython> kyklone please report that as a bug then ;)
[13:22] <kyklone> its called network applet in administration probably
[13:22] <secretlondon> network settings
[13:23] <wxPython> Fedora has a nice GUI to set an internet connection
[13:23] <savvas> pff.. imagine that a person evan in launchpad marked my older bug report as a duplicate of a newer one, which didn't provide any more info than the one I reported
[13:23] <wxPython> ubuntu never had one of those things
[13:23] <secretlondon> it doesn't have a phone number to dial for gprs, I need that for my 3g/hsdpa connection
 now i see, you completely right
[13:24] <kyklone> i need to set up phone number too
[13:25] <wxPython> i would like to have a list of available choices whether i want to create a modem connection or a token ring connection or a xDSL connection...
[13:25] <wxPython> is that present now in hardy?
[13:26] <savvas> hm..
[13:26] <wxPython> because i hate to open the console and do  sudo pppoeconf
[13:26] <wxPython> Fedora has a nice GUI to set an internet connection
[13:26] <kyklone> but fedora have no gprs support and no MS vpn support
[13:26] <wxPython> *has no ;)
[13:26] <savvas> anyone using firefox beta 4 ?:) try download a pdf, what's the default "open with" application there?
[13:27] <wxPython> savvas i'll test
[13:27] <savvas> like http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_3166-3_newsletter_i-5.pdf
[13:27] <wxPython> does it matter if i'm on Windows and not on Linux?
[13:27] <kyklone> wxPython: what you mean? i tested fedora 9 alpha
[13:27] <savvas> i don't think so wxPython, but give it a swirl
[13:27] <wxPython> ok
[13:28] <wxPython> ha!
[13:28] <wxPython> the pdf just opened
[13:28] <wxPython> no choice dialog whatsoever
[13:28] <savvas> it's probably an ubuntu issue
[13:28] <wxPython> yeah
[13:28] <savvas> the applications tab in the preferences is empty
[13:29] <kyklone> well what network manager version now in hardy? 0.6.5? cuz i heard it should be released with 0.6.6 or something, and _may be_ 0.7. so some things should be changed
[13:29] <wxPython> i have Adobe Reader installed which handled the pdf file opening by default
[13:29] <savvas>   Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[13:29] <kyklone> mmm
[13:29] <wxPython> there's a nasty thing in ff 3.0b4 you know...
[13:31] <AntonChigurh> is this to be in hardy? http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[13:31] <wxPython> if i view a page and press the WWW button on my multimedia keyboard, that does not open a new www.google.com site in a new tab
[13:31] <wxPython> new pages should be opened in new tabs is my setting
[13:32] <pax``> Hello, are there any known bugs/somewhere I could look for them regarding language switch applet? I have english and russian in the layouts, alt-shift for switching - for some reason it won't work - no switching happens, can't type anything in russian
[13:33] <wxPython> if i view www.ubuntu.com and i press the WWW button on my multimedia keyboard, then this page (ubuntu.ccm) is changed to www.google.com    i HATE that
[13:33] <kyklone> savvas: must be a very recent update cuz alpha 6 shipped with 0.6.5
[13:34] <wxPython> it should open a new instance of firefox (if set so in the preferences) or it should open the new page in the new tab (if, again, set so in the preferences)
[13:34] <wxPython> can i report this bug?
 same here, have this sine alpha 4 or something, work if you re-check alt+shift switching option
[13:35] <kyklone> sine=since
[13:36] <pax``> kyklone, hmm... indeed, thanks, didn't know about the workaround, was stuck with X's transliterated cyrillic method >.<
[13:36] <wxPython> there's a nasty thing in ff 3.0b4 you know...
[13:37] <wxPython> if i view a page and press the WWW button on my multimedia keyboard, that does not open a new www.google.com site in a new tab
[13:37] <wxPython> it should open a new instance of firefox (if set so in the preferences) or it should open the new page in the new tab (if, again, set so in the preferences)
[13:37] <wxPython> new pages should be opened in new tabs is my setting
[13:37] <wxPython> so why the hell does this stupid thing occur?
[13:37] <wxPython> a bug?
[13:41] <lime4x4> heres an odd problem running hardy mythbuntu as long as i have the wired ethernet connected my wireless works
[13:44] <Seveas> !hardy | lime4x4
[13:44] <ubotu> lime4x4: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:46] <secretlondon> setting my 3g modem up as a serial modem does seem to work
[13:54] <rod> Hey the daily images report for the last few days that openoffice wont build. Well I dont need openoffice, but will the daily image still succesfully complete the install process?
[13:54] <Balaams_Miracle> Question: How risky is it for a not completely unexperienced user to upgrade to the first beta of any new Ubuntu release when it comes out?
[13:55] <savvas> it's not recommended to use the daily images rod
[13:55] <sn0> Balaams_Miracle very risky :)
[13:55] <sn0> generally if you have to ask, its not recommended
[13:56] <Balaams_Miracle> sn0: I mean, i am quite adventurous, but at the same time i wouldn't want to get stuck with broken system-critical stuff which wouldn't be fixed for weeks.
[13:56] <rod> savvas, i tried the latest alpha but then i have to download 200mb....
[13:56] <Balaams_Miracle> sn0: days would still be acceptable though :-)
[13:56] <savvas> rod: it's much safer to wait for the beta then
[13:56] <KrimZon> mine was broken for 9 hours on thursday :)
[13:57] <kyklone> generally... system critical stuff can be succesfuly broken for a weeks in released OS too
[13:57] <KEBA> K(14:19:45) KEBA: my xorg.conf is really really broken, but i cant configurate "it"
[13:57] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: here's a suggestion, if you want to really contribute, when the beta is out download the desktop live cd and give it a swirl, report bugs about your hardware or if you notice anything not working
[13:57] <rod> yeah well.... I just want to know if the installation will fail if there is a non-essential package broken... thats all
[13:57] <rod> ill fix it afterwards
[13:57] <KrimZon> but i installed hardy because it was the only ubuntu that would install with wubi and supported my graphics card properly
[13:58] <savvas> rod: I think openoffice is "hardwired" to the ubuntu-desktop package, maybe it will, maybe it won't, if you're ready to take your chances, give it a go :)
[14:02] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: I have been running hardy in a VM since before the first alpha without any real breakage so far. I'm just curious as to how big the risk at breakage is in comparison to the alphas. My guess is that the risk is lower, though still present, but am i right?
[14:03] <Balaams_Miracle> with "real" i meant "permanent"
[14:04] <cwillu> Balaams_Miracle, libc
[14:04] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: What about libc?
[14:04] <cwillu> that's the risk.
[14:05] <cwillu> that's what breaks, that's the worst that could happen really
[14:05] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Are you saying that it _will_ break, that is _is_ broken, or that it _might_ break?
[14:06] <cwillu> the only way your vm install didn't break multiple times in many different ways over the last months is if you didn't update it
 i guess you need a real analysis of risks, i will be interested to look at it too, it may be real costly... and not a "chat" matter... you always have risks of failures, and most weak part of linux is X, i think.
[14:06] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: True, i'm not running the VM every day...
[14:07] <cwillu> I've been running hardy on my desktops since alpha1, but I never update them all at the same time
[14:07] <cwillu> currently things seem stable
[14:08] <cwillu> I wouldn't run it on a remote machine though
[14:08] <kyklone> Balaams_Miracle: are you running nuclear reactor on linux?
[14:09] <Balaams_Miracle> kyklone: Heh, no. But i am running a shoutcast server which i want to keep up 24/7 (or the nearest to that)
[14:09] <cwillu> I guess that's probably a good way of putting it, actually:  hardy is still in 'physical access' mode, don't run it if you can't fix the box from scratch :p
[14:09] <cwillu> Balaams_Miracle, well, that's a no brainer then, don't even think about running it.  You need to be able to apply updates in case of security issues, etc, but you can't trust that the updates won't break everything :p
[14:10] <kyklone> Balaams_Miracle: why you want to upgrade to hardy?
[14:10] <kyklone> even beta
[14:10] <Lynoure> Balaams_Miracle: actually even wait a bit after the official release... to be safer.
[14:11] <Balaams_Miracle> kyklone: Because i'm involved in translating Ubuntu to Dutch (working on the docs right now). It helps a lot if you can compare the actual menu items with what the docs say.
[14:11] <nomasteryoda> because hardy has lots of new stuff would be my answer
[14:11] <nomasteryoda> even if its still bit buggy
[14:12] <kyklone> nomasteryoda: yes but does it matter for shoutcast server?
[14:12] <Balaams_Miracle> nomasteryoda: That too, and that stuff will need to be translated too
[14:12] <Balaams_Miracle> kyklone: That shoutcast server is my workstation at the same time :-)
[14:12] <cwillu> well, now you're just being silly :)
[14:13] <kyklone> Balaams_Miracle: you may just run VM
[14:13] <cwillu> or buy a cheap used machines
[14:13] <cwillu> s/s//
[14:13] <Balaams_Miracle> Shoutcast doesn't require a lot of resources, so there's plenty of room for it being a workstation.
[14:13] <cwillu> yes, but if you need reliability, then running it on a workstation isn't conducive to the type of things people do on workstations
[14:13] <soto> What happens between beta freeze and beta release?
[14:14] <cwillu> bug fixes and testing
[14:14] <cwillu> !release
[14:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[14:15] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: If i could afford to buy anything, i would have. I wouldn't have run Hardy in a VM either. Not that you had any way of knowing that, but still.
[14:15] <soto> cwillu: Is there an unofficial beta release candidate (post alpha-6, pre-beta)?
[14:16] <soto> Besides just pulling the packages.
[14:16] <Balaams_Miracle> soto: Wait 5 more days until the first beta
[14:16] <cwillu> soto, apply every update that shows up in update-manager (+proposed repos) :p
[14:16] <soto> Balaams_Miracle: When is the beta release 'frozen'? The day before the official release?
[14:17] <Balaams_Miracle> soto: IIRC, the beta freeze is already in effect...
[14:18] <cwillu> Balaams_Miracle, honestly, if you can't afford to lose the machine, then don't.  As nice as it is to have lots of people testing, I don't think anybody would want to see you stranded because of a test install gone south
[14:19] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: It's not just testing, it's primarily translating.
[14:19] <cwillu> yes, but if the install stops booting for whatever reason, are you pooched, or do you have something else you can boot?
[14:21] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: As long as i can get into a terminal, either from a LiveCD or on my harddisk, then i believe i can keep my machine up and keep working.
[14:21] <cwillu> okay, then it's just a matter of pain tolerance;  you could run ibex if you really wanted to :)
[14:23] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Also, i make frequent backups of my home, and i would make a full system backup if i were preparing to install the beta. (BTW: what's ibex?)
[14:23] <cwillu> !ibex
[14:23] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[14:24] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Ah! I wasn't aware that it already had a name.
[14:25] <wxPython> in Firefox 3.0 Beta 4, the page is reloaded if the homepage button is pressed in multimedia keyboard, and it doesn't matter whether the setting is set to 'New pages should be opened in:   a new tab'   or   'New pages should be opened in:   a new window'
[14:25] <cwillu> it'll probably work fine then, as long as you take precautions
[14:27] <cwillu> I just want to point out the conflict between 'something I kinda want to be up 24/7' and 'need to do work on a development version' :p
[14:27] <cwillu> but if you're okay with that, then go ahead :)
[14:29] <Balaams_Miracle> cwillu: Thanks for all the info. I realize that there seems to be a contradiction in what i said, but the 24/7 uptime is something that i would like to happen. The translations though, are what need to happen. In other words, to me, the translations have priority over uptime.
[14:30] <Balaams_Miracle> But if i can have my cake and eat it too, then that would be even better :-))
[14:31] <cwillu> If you have no choice but to have your cake, then the eating of it is left to fate.  You'll probably be able to eat it though :p
[14:31] <Balaams_Miracle> LOL!
[14:37] <cwillu> anyways, I'm going to bed :p
[15:00] <secretlondon> personally I don't see much point in having cake if you can't eat it
[15:04] <savvas> what cake?
[15:04] <savvas> oh
[15:16] <Exilant> i'm just wondering, isn't hardy LTS?
[15:17] <virtuald> it will be
[15:17] <bob__> hi guys, I just upgraded to alpha 6, and I'm having major problems
[15:18] <virtuald> sounds like an enjoyable experience ;)
[15:18] <Exilant> also for kubuntu? the wikipedia page says differernt
[15:18] <spiderfire> is compiz etc not needed now with the kde4 desktop?
[15:18] <kalatian> Gnome Hardy is LTS
[15:19] <Exilant> spiderfire: no
[15:19] <kalatian> Kubuntu is not because of KDE4, IIRC
[15:19] <Exilant> ah, i see
[15:19] <kalatian> KDE4 is (apparently) not stable enough to base an LTS on
[15:19] <spiderfire> so i can uninstall my compiz stuff?
[15:19] <kalatian> spiderfire: if you uninstall it and it doesn't work, reinstall it
[15:20] <kalatian> but I think KDE4 has a built in compositor, so you should be fine
[15:20] <spiderfire> plasma eh?
[15:20] <Exilant> no, it in fact isn't
[15:20]  * kalatian doesn't use KDE4
[15:20] <Exilant> me too
[15:21] <Exilant> i installed it, but it really isn't that usable
[15:21] <kalatian> I installed it and it looked awesome, missing some key features, so I'm waiting for the 4.1 release :)
[15:21] <bob__> can some one please help me
[15:22] <bob__> i upgraded to heron last night and now every time i reboot my resolution goes back to being tiny
[15:22] <bob__> and my xorg.conf file is messed, I tried to edit it but it changes back on reboot
[15:22] <spiderfire> bob__: do you use an nvidia card?
[15:22] <Exilant> somehow the xorg.conf is widely ignored anyway
[15:23] <bob__> spiderfire: intel gma x
[15:23] <bob__> 3100
[15:23] <spiderfire> bob__: does that load as a module?
[15:23] <bob__> spiderfire: i'm not sure what you mean
[15:24] <kalatian> someone correct me if I'm wrong -- newer versions of Xorg don't use xorg.conf as much as older versions
[15:24] <spiderfire> when the kernel boots it looks for modules you need and loads them
[15:24] <kalatian> I'd like to say they don't use it at all, but I think that's pushing it
[15:24] <BUGabundo> no they don't, kalatian
[15:24] <spiderfire> kalatian: it is used
[15:24] <jpbotelho> hi.. the last firefox upgrade lost all my bookmarks. any1 know how i fix it??
[15:24] <BUGabundo> one is created only for certain things
[15:24] <BUGabundo> for compatibility
[15:25] <kalatian> BUGabundo: no they aren't used, or no, they are used?
[15:25] <bob__> what should I do, because its setting my resolution to tiny so I can barely see every time i reboot?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> well, kalatian, when you install it, it doesn't create one imeaditly
[15:25] <spiderfire> bob__: well first look and see if you video card is loaded
[15:25] <BUGabundo> but I seem to have one...
[15:25] <kalatian> BUGabundo: got ya :D
[15:25] <BUGabundo> of course I did a dist-upgrade
[15:25] <bob__> spiderfire: how?
[15:25] <kalatian> (I hate English :P)
[15:26] <spiderfire> bob__: type lsmod in a terminal
[15:26] <BUGabundo> but have removed mine in the past
[15:26] <kalatian> I should probably update my Hardy computer in the morning since they've fixed the libc6 bugs
[15:26] <bob__> spiderfire: whole bunch of stuff poped up
[15:26] <BUGabundo> eheh haven't you yet, kalatian?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I do mine 2-3 times a day
[15:27] <spiderfire> bob__:  you dont see your card mentioned there
[15:27] <BUGabundo> of course I was it by libc6 bug.....
[15:27] <kalatian> I have to get the thing out and plug it in, it's kind of a pain
[15:27] <BUGabundo> damn screen went to sleep, and I couldn't login.
[15:27] <kalatian> I wasn't hit by the libc6 bug :P
[15:27] <jpbotelho> hi.. in the last firefox upgrade i lost all my bookmarks. any1 know how i fix it??
[15:27] <bob__> spiderfire: I wouldn't really know what to look for, I'm a linux noob
[15:27] <spiderfire> bob__: ok jus sec
[15:27] <BUGabundo> jpbotelho: there should be a folder with backups
[15:27] <bob__> spiderfire: pastebin?
[15:28] <spiderfire> sure
[15:28] <dashua> +OK QIwod.TuV7s/
[15:28] <BUGabundo> look in .mozilla/firefox/PROFILE/bookmarks-backup
[15:28] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59680/
[15:28] <spiderfire> bob__: whatever you got ill look at
[15:28] <jpbotelho> i have this bkp.. but i need use it in firefox
[15:29] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59680/
[15:29] <BUGabundo> sure jpbotelho
[15:29] <BUGabundo> just rename it
[15:29] <BUGabundo> or copy it to the original file
[15:30] <BUGabundo> there should be an bookmarks.html in the folder
[15:30] <BUGabundo> and then again, since FF3 uses sqlite, that won't do it
[15:30] <BUGabundo> but you can try importing them
[15:30] <burner> ff3 doesn't use bookmarks.html?!?!?
[15:31] <Wartorn> When i have an Intel X3100 graphics chip, what driver should i use? when im looking at "Screens and graphics preferences" it shows "Driver: none" and the second says driver: vesa - generic.
[15:31] <Wartorn> which seems odd
[15:31] <kalatian> Wartorn: there should be an intel driver of some sort
[15:31] <wxPython> please tell me something
[15:31] <burner> driver is "intel" I think
[15:31] <Wartorn> also, when i press "test" with that setting, it says it failed
[15:32] <BUGabundo> I don't think so burner
[15:32] <wxPython> please visit this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[15:32] <jpbotelho> i have alot of problens with navigation and bookmarks toolbar..
[15:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[15:32] <burner> BUGabundo: guess i dont' know the newer instel things... i use nvidia here
[15:32] <BUGabundo> yeah that new bar sucks, jpbotelho
[15:32] <bob__> spiderfire?
[15:32] <wxPython> does In Progress mean that the bug is in the progress of being fixed?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> and it is case-insencitive!!!!
[15:32] <wxPython> does In Progress means that the bug is in the progress of being fixed?
[15:32] <wxPython> please visit this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[15:32] <spiderfire> bob__: just thinking
[15:32] <wxPython> well?
[15:32] <bob__> ok
[15:33] <spiderfire> bob__: well it looks like your card is there
[15:33] <bob__> spiderfire: why would the settings be resetting uppon reboot then?
[15:33] <spiderfire> so i would try reconfiguring the xorg.conf file with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:34] <jpbotelho> BUGabundo, i lost all sites of my bookmarks toolbar and the navigation toolbar dont have action when i press enter or i click in arrow to go
[15:34] <bob__> spiderfire: says command not found
[15:35] <BUGabundo> there isn't a click arrow on FF3 jpbotelho
[15:35] <BUGabundo> lolol
[15:35] <BUGabundo> are you sure you are on FF3?
[15:35] <jpbotelho> FF3 beta 4
[15:35] <BUGabundo> I still use my swiftfox 2.0
[15:35] <BUGabundo> FF3 breaks all my addons
[15:35] <secretlondon> I miss the click arrow
[15:35] <spiderfire> bob__: that command should be there
[15:35] <BUGabundo> and the url bar is case-insesitive
[15:35] <secretlondon> the beta 4 breaks flash block
[15:35] <BUGabundo> me too secretlondon
[15:35] <jpbotelho> but when o press enter.. the site dont open
[15:35] <bob__> spiderfire: I pasted sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:36] <sudobash> swiftfox is ok but not for flash media
[15:36] <spiderfire> bob__: ttry sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall
[15:36] <secretlondon> BUGabundo: I'm currently using epiphany, can't cope without click arrow and especially not without flash block
[15:36] <sudobash> actually on a slow machine the default firefox works just as well
[15:37] <bob__> spiderfire: done
[15:37] <spiderfire> now try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:37] <_dan_> nvidia driver doenst work for me since -12 kernel, modprobe always say error running install cmd with 386 and generic kernel
[15:37] <_dan_> any solution to that?
[15:38] <bob__> spiderfire: brings up a picture asking me if I want to reconfigure
[15:38] <spiderfire> bob__: ok so do that as best you can
[15:38] <bob__> ok
[15:38] <Wartorn> when i select the intel driver, it keeps reverting back to "vesa", any solution to that?
[15:39] <bob__> spiderfire: it didn't give me any graphics cards options
[15:39] <wxPython> if the GNOME Panel bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[15:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[15:41] <spiderfire> bob__: maybe try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[15:41] <spiderfire> if you have web atm
[15:41] <bob__> I do
[15:42] <bob__> I have the intel gma x3100 card
[15:42] <bob__> not sure if that matters
[15:43] <Wartorn> bob__: are you experiencing agonizingly slow 3d with that card? mine runs like molasses
[15:43] <bob__> what do you mean by slow 3d?
[15:43] <bob__> I have turned all desktop effects off
[15:43] <Wartorn> like, extremely bad framerates (even in some 3d screensavers), weird rendering etc
[15:44] <bob__> not really, nothing unusual, although I've only been using linux for a few days
[15:44] <Wartorn> Ah, okay
[15:44] <bob__> I just don't know why my settings are messing up every time I reboot
[15:45] <spiderfire> bob__: your card is part of the i915 family which is what is shown when you type lsmod
[15:45] <bob__> spiderfire: what does that mean, I need to get that driver?
[15:46] <spiderfire> bob__: not necessarily. Since the driver is there and loaded, you should only have to configure the xorg.conf
[15:46] <bob__> what should I do?
[15:47] <bob__> in screen and graphics options, under the graphics card tab, nothing is listed
[15:47] <bob__> it says no graphics card
[15:47] <spiderfire> try following the link i showed you...sudo apt-get install 915resolution
[15:47] <bob__> installed
[15:49] <bob__> spiderfire: now what?
[15:51] <spiderfire> Install the 915resolution package. This package is in the universe repository.
[15:51] <bob__> spiderfire: in the /etc/X11/ directory, I have a whole bunch of xorg.conf files, with xorg.conf1 to 6
[15:52] <bob__> and several backups
[15:52] <bob__> I thought I just installed it
[15:52] <spiderfire> bob__: your server only uses xorg.conf
[15:52] <spiderfire> Make xorg use the i810 driver. I did this by executing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:53] <bob__> says command not found
[15:55] <bob__> spiderfire: should I try and reboot to see what happens?
[15:55] <spiderfire> no i dont think do
[15:55] <bob__> ok
[15:55] <spiderfire> do you need to get your xconfigured
[15:55] <bob__> ?
[15:56] <spiderfire> try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall
[15:56] <spiderfire> and select 810 driver like it says in the link maybe
[15:56] <bob__> done
[15:57] <spiderfire> ok now pastebin me your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:57] <spiderfire> to see if the device section mentions the i810 driver
[15:58] <bob__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59682/
[16:00] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59682/
[16:00] <spiderfire> bob__: i dont know bob__, try restarting the xserver
[16:00] <bob__> spiderfire: how?
[16:00] <spiderfire> see if it works ctrl+alt+backspace
[16:02] <spiderfire> oops i made bob go away...hope he can make it back
[16:03] <bob__> wow
[16:03] <bob__> ok, now its at 800*600
[16:03] <bob__> spiderfire
[16:03] <spiderfire> what happen?
[16:03] <bob__> it restarted the comp or something
[16:04] <bob__> now it won't let me change the resolution to 1024*768
[16:04] <spiderfire> ok
[16:04] <bob__> could it be my monitot's fault?
[16:04] <bob__> monitor*
[16:04] <spiderfire> what was the resolution before?
[16:04] <bob__> before 1024*768?
[16:05] <bob__> thats the highest mine can go
[16:05] <spiderfire> no i mean before 800x600
[16:05] <bob__> its a 4 year old acer 15 inch
[16:05] <bob__> 1024*768
[16:05] <bob__> 1024*768 is my max res
[16:05] <bob__> I've been told it could be because my monitor is crap that I have all these problems
[16:06] <spiderfire> well maybe...but you have 800x600 now but before you have 640x480?
[16:07] <bob__> no, before every time I would boot up it would be 600*400, but I could change it to 1024*768 ( my current max settings), not its stuck at 800*600
[16:07] <bob__> and thats only since upgrading to heron
[16:09] <BUGabundo> what's up with python minimal ?
[16:09] <BUGabundo> LiveCD is complaining about it!
[16:09] <bob__> any ideas?
[16:09] <spiderfire> bob__: other then following the instructions here i have no idea. http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/
[16:09] <flipstar> BUGabundo: the daily or alpha6 ?
[16:10] <bob__> spiderfire: so basically its a problem with heron and I shouldn't have upgraded
[16:10] <flipstar> bob__: which tool you have used to change res ?
[16:10] <spiderfire> bob__: sorry i dont mean that sie
[16:10] <zniavre> you should modiy your xorg modes for display
[16:11] <bob__> I use system screen and graphics
[16:11] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59683/   check your xorg i did the tricks
[16:11] <BUGabundo> flipstar: alpha6 dist-upgrade to today while running LiveCD
[16:11] <BUGabundo> is it still being built?
[16:11] <spiderfire> http://roland-lopez.blogspot.com/2007/03/auto915resolution-ubuntu-resolution-fix.html
[16:11] <typhox> hi
[16:11] <spiderfire> bob__: try there...its more simple
[16:12] <bob__> ok
[16:12] <bob__> I have a backup of my xorg.conf that worked in 7.10, any way to replace that?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> don't do that bob__
[16:13] <BUGabundo> it will break your X11
[16:13] <bob__> ok
[16:13] <bob__> oh
[16:13] <flipstar> BUGabundo: there were no changes to python-minimal ..
[16:13] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:13] <BUGabundo> why isn't it installing then!?
[16:13] <bmk789> anyone using apt-mirror in hardy?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> humm no virtual disk available?
[16:14] <bderrly> how do i configure my printer with hardy? there is no printer link in the system -> administration menu anymore
[16:14] <BUGabundo> I just use apt-chache and deb-torrent, bmk789
[16:14] <bmk789> how well does debtorrent work?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> bderrly: alt-f3 and type printer
[16:14] <BUGabundo> I've one only used it twice
[16:14] <BUGabundo> both from inside a LAN
[16:14] <BUGabundo> did the job quite well
[16:15] <bmk789> hm
[16:15] <BUGabundo> not sure if it was any faster the regular download
[16:15] <bderrly> BUGabundo, alt+f3 doesn't do anything
[16:15] <bob__> it says Login as root (you must be logged in as root to create the startup script)
[16:15] <AntonChigurh> is this to be in hardy? http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[16:15] <BUGabundo> but since we were under heavy QoS it was a bit faster
[16:15] <bob__> how do I log in as root in the terminal
[16:15] <bderrly> bob__, sudo -s
[16:15] <bob__> k
[16:15] <BUGabundo> bob sudo -I or plain su (if you have a pass on root)
[16:16] <BUGabundo> bob__:  sudo -I or plain su (if you have a pass on root)
[16:16] <bob__> ok
[16:16] <BUGabundo> bderrly: humm did you remove deskbar applet?
[16:17] <bob__> what bits pixel do I want?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> bderrly: alt-f2 and type system-config-printer
[16:17] <bob__> 8 16 or 32
[16:17] <BUGabundo> 8
[16:17] <bob__> why 8?
[16:17] <spiderfire> 32
[16:17] <BUGabundo> is more then enough to use on the shell
[16:17] <bob__> Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
[16:17] <BUGabundo> why would you use 32 on a black shell spiderfire?
[16:17] <bob__> so i type 34?
[16:18] <bob__> so.....
[16:18] <bob__> what do I chose?
[16:18] <BUGabundo> I would go with 8
[16:18] <spiderfire> 8 bit color?
[16:18] <BUGabundo> but you're the MAN
[16:18] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:18] <bderrly> meh
[16:18] <bderrly> i give up
[16:18] <BUGabundo> didn't work bderrly?
[16:18] <spiderfire> 8 bit color for console mayeb but this is his x sever
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[16:19] <BUGabundo> sorry
[16:19] <BUGabundo> missread
[16:19] <BUGabundo> then GO 32...
[16:19] <savvas> hm... I can't select the java in openoffice.org :( tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> java is empty but I have java installed! :\
[16:19] <BUGabundo> or even 48 bits lol
[16:19] <bob__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59684/
[16:19] <bob__> spiderfire: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59684/
[16:19] <spiderfire> bob__: you want 1024x768 at 32bit color
[16:19] <flipstar> not 24bit ?
[16:19] <bob__> so mode 54?
[16:20] <bob__> :(
[16:20] <bob__> doesn't give me 24 option 8, 16 or 32
[16:21] <bob__> spiderfire: mode 54 right?
[16:21] <spiderfire> so you want 54
[16:21] <bob__> k
[16:21] <bob__> What's your monitor's maximum color depth? (Please enter 8, 16, 24 or 32)
[16:21] <bob__> If you are no sure, 24 should work with most new monitors:
[16:21] <bob__> I have no idea
[16:22] <bob__> 24 then?
[16:22] <bob__> but its not new
[16:22] <bob__> 4 years old
[16:22] <Typhox> I think there is a critical problem with the gnome-panel
[16:22] <spiderfire> 24 is 32
[16:22] <bob__> ok
[16:22] <Artimus> bob__: Every monitor I own can handle 32bit color (which is called 24 in Linux)
[16:22] <bob__> k
[16:22] <flipstar> wired thing
[16:23] <bob__> tells me to restart
[16:23] <bob__> brb
[16:23] <bob__> spiderfire: brb
[16:23] <bob__> have to reboot
[16:23] <Typhox> Very often when i click on the time to show the calender the panel freezes and it isn't possible to restart it with "gnome-panel"...
[16:25] <wxPython> if the GNOME Panel bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:25] <wxPython> well?
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:25] <wxPython> if the GNOME Panel bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:25] <wxPython> please tell
[16:26] <Typhox> hm? I don't understand
[16:26] <bob__> spiderfire: didn't work, still at 800*600
[16:26] <jpatrick> wxPython: ...
[16:27] <spiderfire> bob__: maybe you can recoinfigure your xserver again with the same driver and choose a lower refresh rate
[16:28] <spiderfire> i dont know
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:28] <spiderfire> im out of ideas
[16:28] <wxPython> please tell
[16:28] <savvas> hm... openoffice.org wasn't installed correctly, I had to sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> please tell
[16:28] <bob__> spiderfire: ok, thanks anyways
[16:28] <spiderfire> np
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <flipstar> wxPython: whats wrong dude ?
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:28] <wxPython> please tell
[16:28] <BUGabundo> spiderfire: any ideas on what went wrong with my python-minimal?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> should I report on LP?
[16:29] <wxPython> flipstar please answer me
[16:29] <savvas> wxPython: ?
[16:29] <wxPython> tell me please
[16:29] <flipstar> first stop spamming
[16:29] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,In progress]
[16:29] <BUGabundo> not many ppl will be doing alpha 6 LiveCDs updates
[16:29] <wxPython> if the bug in the GNOME Panel  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361    gets fixed... would the gnome-panel package bug also be fixed?
[16:29] <wxPython> tell me please
[16:29] <flipstar> could someone kick him ?
[16:29] <jimmygoon> wxPython, chill out. STOP spamming.  Me?
[16:30] <jimmygoon> I don't know.   You just need an account.  Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[16:37] <hydrogen> pew pew pew
[16:37] <jester7> lao
[16:37] <jester7> lmao
[16:37] <jester7> that was awesome
[16:41] <AntonChigurh> is this to be in hardy? http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[16:48] <jester7> is there a ubuntu-on-dell channel anywhere?
[16:49] <AntonChigurh> ubuntu on dell? sounds kinky
[16:50] <jester7> http://www.dell.com/ubuntu
[16:50] <jester7> i just want to know if they are going to support hardy upgrades
[16:51] <crimsun> they have a web-based forum
[16:51] <crimsun> it's likely more responsive [timely] than their dev channel
[16:53] <BadRobot> hi there
[16:53] <BadRobot> g'evening
[16:53] <BadRobot> is the epiphany 2.22 on hardy shipped with Gecko 1.9 or WebKit?
[16:54] <tumi> looks like the weather report in the international clock is using the "feels like" attribute instead of actual temperature
[16:54] <GuyFromHell> BadRobot, apt-cache show epiphany-browser says it uses Gecko by default
[16:54] <GuyFromHell> BadRobot, so if that's what you installed...
[16:55] <soto> Is there a list somewhere of what packages are queued to be included in the repositories? I'm interested in the status of Xmonad-contrib in particular.
[16:56] <crimsun> soto: not really.  There're queues of things that have been uploaded, rejected, accepted.
[16:57] <soto> crimsun: So what will be the process to determine if a package makes it into hardy?
[16:58] <crimsun> soto: if it's approved by the appropriate feature freeze exception team.
[16:58] <crimsun> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess)
[16:59] <soto> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/201494
[16:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201494 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please sync xmonad-contrib (0.6-4) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:59] <crimsun> note that we are now in Beta Freeze additionally, so not only does the source package have to be approved by the appropriate feature freeze exception team, but a release manager must also approve.
[16:59] <soto> crimsun: Are the last two comments there members of the freeze exception team?
[16:59] <BadRobot> i have installed the one with gecko
[17:00] <BadRobot> it works really nicely
[17:00] <crimsun> soto: from MOTU FFe, yes.
[17:00] <BadRobot> when will the beta's be on the servers?
[17:01] <soto> crimsun: So those comments indicate that an exception will be made for that package?
[17:01] <BadRobot> or when will the iso(beta) be released to download?
[17:02] <danag1> does -12 break the atheros HAL?`i get ethernet, not wifi
[17:02] <soto> BadRobot: 20th
[17:02] <crimsun> soto: it appears so.
[17:02] <soto> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <soto> crimsun: THanks
[17:03] <jimmygoon_> Is there something special I need to do to get java working with firefox 3 beta 4?
[17:03] <soto> Can anyone using LVM on Hardy confirm that they have experienced no issues on upgrade to Hardy?
[17:03] <danag1> jimmygoon_ i have bad problems with java apps up to freezing of the whole x dektop
[17:04] <jimmygoon_> well I need to do a java based speed test - im on the phone with the tech complaining about only getting 3.5 mb and instead I did a test and got 12mb :P
[17:05] <spiderfire> hows the 64bit ubuntu?
[17:05] <jimmygoon_> It won't even recognize the plugin and when I choose to install it In firefox it says its alerady installed
[17:05] <flipstar> 64bit in general is .. ... complicated in some apps
[17:05] <danag1> does -12 break the atheros HAL?`i get ethernet, not wifi
[17:05] <tumi> soto, I can
[17:06] <user5> hyello