[04:52] <babbageclunk> gah, all my tests pass but only when I put in the magic number 3, and I can't work out why!
[05:11] <veebers> babbageclunk: where is the magic number put?
[05:12] <babbageclunk> veebers and anastasiamac: In the call to clock.WaitAdvance - it's the number of things that should be waiting for the clock before we move time forward. But I think it should be 2, and the computer insists it's 3!
[05:13] <veebers> babbageclunk: you're not off by one? zero base vs 1 base
[05:13] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: the last time i've encountered something like that was with channels and loops...
[05:13] <babbageclunk> maybe you're off by one!
[05:13] <babbageclunk> Sorry, that was uncalled for.
[05:14] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: yeah, I've definitely got those.
[05:14] <veebers> hah ^_^
[05:14] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: in my case i had to send my changes twice even tho i only wanted one change... turned out the intialisation was an issue in workers...
[05:18] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: yeah, it's bound to be something like that - I'm about to hack the clock to store tracebacks so I can see where all the waiters are coming from.
[05:26] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: sounds good... keep us posted if u find the reason or if u need to talk at someone
[09:02] <stickupkid> does anyone know what the `cmd/plugins/juju-meteadata` is for?
[09:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> Hi, if anybody has time to triage pad.lv/1782236 and review the PR for it https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8949 I'd really appreciate it
[10:16] <anastasiamac> stickupkid: yes, it's for images
[10:34] <manadart> Dmitrii-Sh: I will take a look today.
[10:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> manadart: thx
[10:44] <manadart> stickupkid: Need a review. Shame I didn't get this in for 2.4.1: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8952
[10:47] <stickupkid> manadart: just needs a code comment to be addressed
[11:12] <manadart> stickupkid: Done.
[11:15] <stickupkid> manadart: done
[11:15] <stickupkid> LGTM
[11:16] <manadart> stickupkid: Pushed another commit. Lock doesn't need a method wrapper.
[11:18] <stickupkid> manadart: i quite liked that, but up to you
[11:54]  * stickupkid gets auto credentials working without all the hacks - yessss!
[11:55] <manadart> stickupkid: Was also thinking re: the Discourse page. Would it not be simpler to have instructions for the credential use the interactive CLI rather than the file?
[11:56] <manadart> Seems to me it would be simpler - don't have to copy certs into another file.
[11:57] <stickupkid> Potentially, I don't mind, we can look into that... there are two methods, both work...
[11:58] <stickupkid> we could just make an ammendment tbh
[11:59] <manadart> I thought to do that...
[12:02] <stickupkid> that way you can also improve your discourse kama :p
[12:39] <manadart> Dmitrii-Sh: Reviewed/triaged. Just add the test and I'll get it landed.
[12:40] <Dmitrii-Sh> manadart: thanks, will
[12:44] <Dmitrii-Sh> will do*
[18:43] <bdx> https://imgur.com/a/JndWKxu
[18:44] <bdx> the outdated and now entirely removed docs still show up when users search for juju* it seems
[18:44] <bdx> I have new users telling me this often
[22:33] <veebers> yay, with the testing streams generation it updates all the 'updated' entries with now as it's being updated, which means I can't easily expire old entries


[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[16:58] <ara> hello!!
[16:58] <cr3> ara: hi there
[16:58] <heno> hello!
[16:58] <ara> tomorrow is the D day :-)
[16:58] <pedro_> hello everybody
[16:59] <heno> hopefully, we are getting new images for testing just now
[16:59] <heno> (or an hour or so from now)
[16:59] <ara> heno: dvd? or all of them?
[16:59] <heno> dvd and desktop
[17:00] <heno> bdmurray, ogasawara, sbeattie, stgraber: meeting ping
[17:00] <ogasawara> hi
[17:00] <sbeattie> hey
[17:00] <bdmurray> hello
[17:00] <heno> hey all!
[17:00] <schwuk> hi
[17:00] <heno> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is heno.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:01] <heno> just want to run a quick meeting about the testing still ahead
[17:01] <heno> we are most likely getting new live and dvd images due to bug 287747
[17:02] <heno> updated test case here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/LiveCDInstall
[17:02] <heno> background spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[17:02] <davmor2> hi
[17:02]  * cgregan waves
[17:03] <heno> the new images will of course need testing again on all other test cases as well
[17:03] <heno> so, again: help with image testing appreciated :)
[17:03] <stgraber> heno: pong
[17:04] <heno> anything else noteworthy show up in triage
[17:04] <heno> hi stgraber, just to let you know we are starting :)
[17:04] <schwuk> heno: when will we have the new images?
[17:05] <heno> schwuk: in about an hour
[17:05] <davmor2> heno: only the home page for FF is no right yet but should be shortly
[17:06] <heno> ok, that can be fixed server-side I guess
[17:07] <davmor2> heno: yeah they are waiting for release notes and the like before they can do anything :)
[17:07] <heno> existing hardy installs (or 8.10 beta-ish) will be helpful in testing 287747, so you might want to dig those out
[17:08] <heno> any other topics today?
[17:09] <davmor2> did anyone know about the preserve home feature?
[17:09] <heno> I did, though I had not tried it myself
[17:10] <bdmurray> I noticed that bug isn't tagged iso-testing I wonder how that happened
[17:10] <heno> it's not explicit in the installer - just happens when you chose not to format
[17:10] <bdmurray> Was it not reported at the iso tracker too?
[17:10] <ara> bdmurray: because maybe it was reported by someone not on the tracker
[17:11] <ara> bdmurray: just guessing
[17:11] <davmor2> bdmurray: no
[17:11] <heno> bdmurray: probably not - it wasn't a test case until after the fact
[17:11] <heno> (I just updated the wiki with that)
[17:11] <bdmurray> ah, they say 'use case' not 'test case'
[17:11] <davmor2> bdmurray: there is no test for it.  I didn't even know it existed
[17:12] <heno> for jaunty we should review all specs at some milestone, like alpha 2 to make sure anything new has a test case
[17:13] <heno> we were pretty good at that for hardy, less so for intrepid (clearly)
[17:14] <heno> ok, thanks everyone!
[17:14] <davmor2> short meeting :)
[17:15] <heno> #endmeeting
[17:15] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:15.
[17:15] <stgraber> heno: yeah, it's something I was hoping to have done before my pre-RC testcase update but looks like not all new testcases were added
[17:15] <stgraber> (the server team did a good job at that though)
[17:15] <ara> ok, see you later!
[17:15] <ara> bye!
[17:15] <mrooney> heno: I came in late, but I have an existing Hardy install I can attempt to upgrade in any way, if that can help
[17:16] <mrooney> if you are looking for testing data
[17:16] <heno> mrooney: great, see the top section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/LiveCDInstall
[17:16] <heno> mrooney: wait a bit for new images to appear
[17:17] <mrooney> heno: okay, are you looking for a test of the preserve home feature?
[17:17] <heno> stgraber: I was thinking mostly of writing cases, not so much about adding them to the tracker


[00:25] <Jessedavid4> So if anyone could help me, I've still been having this issue with Jack and my audio. It seems to be some kind of error with jack executable, though of course it may not be. Anyways, I have a picture according to the crash report.
[00:27] <Jessedavid4> https://ibb.co/tHMgRgT
[00:28] <Jessedavid4> ^here is the link to the crash report, if anyone needs. Any help would be greatly appreciated ;)
[00:33] <Eickmeyer> Jessedavid4: Seems as though it's a crash in Ubuntu Studio Controls. We just released a new version to the backports repo.
[00:33] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[00:34] <Eickmeyer> Jessedavid4: Also, you have several out-of-date packages according to that report (hence why it's unreportable).
[00:34] <Jessedavid4> Yeah, i am not sure how to get rid of all of them at once
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> The software updater would take care of it.
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> But, get the new version of Ubuntu Studio Controls.
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> I just updated the wiki document on it, too.
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls
[00:38] <Jessedavid4> is there a command to see which version of studio controls I am running?
[00:39] <Eickmeyer> You're running 1.7.1 which is the version included in 19.04 (I got that from your screenshot). The version we just released is 1.10.
[00:40] <Eickmeyer> !info ubuntustudio-controls eoan
[00:40] <Eickmeyer> Nm, we released 1.9.1
[00:40] <Jessedavid4> well I did the update and reset studio controls, but I don't really see a difference on the screen unless it was mostly internal. Plus I did an update in terminal.
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> Oh, nm, it is 1.10. I just didn't get it uploaded to eoan yet.
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> Nah, there's some real interface differences as well as internal changes.
[00:43] <Eickmeyer> Jessedavid4: Did you add the backports PPA? That would get you the latest version.
[00:43] <Jessedavid4> well I am using 19.04, would I still want even though its for 18.04?
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> It's for 18.04 and 19.04.
[00:45] <Jessedavid4> Ah, okay.
[00:46] <Eickmeyer> It's just required for 18.04, optional for 19.04.
[00:46] <Jessedavid4> Well I believe I did, but let me do a reset and see.
[00:46] <Eickmeyer> No, don't reset.
[00:46] <Eickmeyer> If you just follow the instructions on the Backports PPA link I posted, you should be fine.
[00:47] <Jessedavid4> purging the backports and now re adding them, maybe there was an error when I did it
[00:47] <OvenWerks> cat ~/.log/autojack.log.old |pastebinit
[00:47] <OvenWerks> ^^ in a terminal.
[00:48] <OvenWerks>  also
[00:48] <OvenWerks> cat ~/.log/autojack.log |pastebinit
[00:48] <OvenWerks> but I suspect the old may have better info.
[00:48] <Jessedavid4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fwGTJGqN49/
[00:49] <OvenWerks> periods 16?? are you kidding?
[00:49] <OvenWerks> try 1024 and see if that fixes things
[00:49] <Jessedavid4> Actually had it at 64, interesting
[00:50] <OvenWerks> periods 16 will only work with _some_ PCI cards
[00:52] <OvenWerks> The log says 16
[00:52] <Jessedavid4> Yeah, but it just updated. Not sure why. It works at 1024, at least playback.
[00:53] <Jessedavid4> Gonna hook up my guitar and try ardour.
[00:53] <OvenWerks> Some internal audio will not work even at 64
[00:53] <OvenWerks> USB I don't know
[00:54] <OvenWerks> USB2.0 (with all the right tweaks)  has been known to work with as low as 32, but most are 128.
[00:55] <OvenWerks> If you are using it for guitar effects, 128 is ok, 256 is iffy.
[00:56] <OvenWerks> Though it does depend on the internal latency of the audio device. My old ice1712 based device has an extra 1ms in and out for example. My USB1.1 device says .65ms.
[01:24] <Jessedavid4> https://instaud.io/3YLu/delete/9636a21f0688653885b422257cf760a5524606e5
[01:25] <Jessedavid4> well that was testing with 48khz at a 64 buffer size I believe if you guys wanna give it a listen. Just played a few chords in repeat. In my headphones I hear a lot of strange feedback. So wondering if maybe that is my headphones. Otherwise I will have to adjust some settings I am thinking.
[01:38] <Eickmeyer> Jessedavid4: That sounds like your buffer is too low and you're getting xruns. Try it with 128 buffer.
[07:36] <cjoke> I've been using linux since RH6.0 on a HP pentium50 8MB ram 200MB HD, started out compiling kernels and did use Blackbox with BBkeys as windowmanager. Already then my love for opensource went viral among family and friends who did not understand what I talked about(the still dont). Now Im older , and not so into the traverse behind the ui. functionallity is in the drivers seat. Im a live musician
[07:36] <cjoke> aswell, and tested all new apps that growing in the community. Now after many years afk Im sharpening my sables again. And YET AGAIN! Im amazed by how good it feels, OMG all those plugins I have at my command now. Hoi hoi! THANK YOU ALL for making my life easier! :) <3


[00:05] <ecapi> is apt the same as it is on debian?
[00:06] <Guest4576> Hi it's me
[00:08] <el> who is "me"
[00:08] <Guest4576> i
[00:09] <Guest4576> i'm root null
[00:11] <Guest4576> git clone https://github.com/tegal1337/CiLocks
[00:11] <Guest4576> cd CiLocks
[00:11] <Guest4576> chmod +x cilocks
[00:11] <Guest4576> sudo bash cilocks
[00:11] <Guest4576> or sudo ./cilocks
[00:21] <Yakov> how to select line in gnome terminal? I've tried to press shift, and do Ctrl+A or Ctrl+E, no effect
[00:22] <JanC> click 3x
[00:23] <Yakov> wow, it works, but I dont usually need what is placed before sign $
[00:23] <JanC> just select what you need with the mouse then
[00:27] <Guest4576> sudo apt update -y
[00:27] <Guest4576> sudo apt install php nodejs npm adb scrcpy wget unzip apktool jq -y
[00:28] <JanC> Guest4576: please behave & stop that
[00:28] <Guest4576> xubuntu-desktop/jammy 2.241 arm64
[00:28] <Guest4576> xubuntu-docs/jammy,now 22.04 all [installed]
[00:28] <Guest4576> xubuntu-icon-theme/jammy 22.04.1 all
[00:28] <Guest4576> xubuntu-live-settings/jammy 22.04.0 all
[00:28] <Guest4576> xubuntu-restricted-addons/jammy 26 all
[00:28] <Guest4576> xubuntu-wallpapers/jammy 22.04.1 all
[00:29] <Guest4576> xzoom/jammy 0.3-26 arm64
[00:29] <Guest4576> yabar/jammy 0.4.0-1.1 arm64
[00:29] <Guest4576> yabasic/jammy 1:2.90.2-1 arm64
[00:29] <Guest4576> yabause-common/jammy 0.9.14-4build2 all
[00:29] <Guest4576> yabause-gtk/jammy 0.9.14-4build2 arm64
[00:29] <Guest4576> yabause-qt/jammy 0.9.14-4build2 arm64
[00:31] <el> dude
[00:31] <Guest4576> yasr/jammy 0.6.9-10 arm64
[00:31] <Guest4576> yasw/jammy 0.6-2build1 arm64
[00:31] <Guest4576> yatex/jammy 1.82-1 all
[00:31] <Guest4576> yatm/jammy 0.9-3 arm64
[00:31] <Guest4576> yavta/jammy 0.0+git20210522.65f740a-1 arm64
[00:31] <Guest4576> yaws-chat/jammy 2.1.1+dfsg-1 all
[01:23] <d3> hey all, looking for someone to lend a hand and help me figure out a potential problem I might have with my system...has something changed in the last couple of years how grub works? apt is complaining every time I try to install a package about an esp partition related to efi, mount: /var/lib/grub/esp: special device /dev/sdh2 does not exist.
[01:23] <d3> dpkg: error processing package grub-efi-amd64-signed (--configure):
[01:24] <d3> the system is booted into bios/legacy as i have no /sys/firmware/efi
[01:24] <arraybolt3> that sounds wrong
[01:24] <arraybolt3> how many disks do you have in this system anyway?
[01:24] <d3> I have migrated this vm over the years between hyperv and esxi so I think there might have been a left over efi partition it detected....
[01:24] <d3> lots
[01:24] <arraybolt3> ah
[01:24] <arraybolt3> yeah it sounds like you have a minimum of 8 disks
[01:24] <d3> 9
[01:24] <arraybolt3> or seven
[01:25] <d3> I'm afraid to reboot as I don't know if grub is in a healthy state
[01:25] <arraybolt3> Yeah, I wouldn't try it right now
[01:25] <arraybolt3> So... first question, what's the output of `lsblk`?
[01:25] <arraybolt3> (you can send it via pastebin)
[01:25] <d3> debconf-show grub-pc show's about 20+ items and it references grub-pc, grub-efi, and grub2
[01:25] <arraybolt3> (don't paste it into the chat or it will cause problems(
[01:26] <d3> shows about 20 loop devices and my disks
[01:26] <arraybolt3> is there an sdh?
[01:26] <d3> yes, ok, so I know why that error is showing up
[01:26] <arraybolt3> sounds like you have a /dev/sd* hardcoded somewhere
[01:26] <arraybolt3> you probably need to use UUIDs or disk labels wherever that is.
[01:26] <d3> i have a bunch of zfs pools, and recently unmounted and remounted them via /dev/disk/by-id so the device names got changed around....
[01:27] <arraybolt3> that sounds like it would do it
[01:27] <d3> my question is, is it safe to nuke the efi partition and reinstall grub to my "new root device" eg sda (after the zfs re-import which mixed up the names)
[01:28] <d3> or have I really buggered things up by having grub-efi packages installed now
[01:28] <arraybolt3> I don't think grub-efi should mess with things.
[01:28] <d3> well it's preventing me from running any apt pkg installs or updates....
[01:28] <arraybolt3> If you're sure that you're booted in BIOS mode and that the VM will try to boot from sda and sda is set up properly for GRUB to be installed, then just `grub-install /dev/sda` should be enough.
[01:28] <d3> mount: /var/lib/grub/esp: special device /dev/sdh2 does not exist.
[01:28] <d3> dpkg: error processing package grub-efi-amd64-signed (--configure):
[01:28] <d3>  installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 32
[01:28] <d3> Processing triggers for man-db (2.10.2-1) ...
[01:28] <d3> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:28] <d3>  grub-efi-amd64-signed
[01:28] <arraybolt3> oh dear
[01:28] <arraybolt3> You can't paste stuff directly into the chat or an anti-flood bot mutes you for 60 seconds. Sorry about that.
[01:29] <arraybolt3> but I think you should probably run `grub-install /dev/sda`, then `update-grub`. If (and only if!) both of those commands succeed, I believe it should be safe to reboot.
[01:29] <arraybolt3> Then you can run `sudo apt --fix-broken install` and hopefully recover.
[01:30] <d3> rip me
[01:30] <d3> ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory
[01:30] <arraybolt3> I believe you're unmuted now.
[01:30] <arraybolt3> (my IRC bouncer apparently just rebooted)
[01:30] <d3> :P
[01:31] <d3> what is the approved pastebin for the channel, I want to share my fstab
[01:31] <arraybolt3> We usually use termbin.com since it's very convenient.
[01:31] <arraybolt3> You can use it from the terminal, like so:
[01:31] <arraybolt3> cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:31] <d3> I'm sorry, I have kind of had this VM running for ages and it seems migrating and neglecting it has buggered the config lol
[01:32] <arraybolt3> That command spits out a link that contains whatever you piped into the nc command. Sharing that link will share whatever you piped into it.
[01:32] <d3> https://termbin.com/297b
[01:32] <arraybolt3> that looks pretty sane and relatively basic to me.
[01:32] <d3> so I think that hyperv only supports linux guests with efi
[01:33] <d3> but I'm currently booted legacy/bios
[01:33] <arraybolt3> You may need to run `grub-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda` to install it in BIOS mode then.
[01:33] <arraybolt3> then `update-grub`
[01:34] <arraybolt3> At that point a reboot should be safe, then I would remove grub-efi and then autoremove the leftovers.
[01:34] <arraybolt3> (assuming the autoremove isn't going to remove anything important)
[01:34] <d3> can I tell exactly where grub is installed to right now? fdisk -l shows grub installed on the sda1 partition (not to the mbr via /dev/sda) and an efi partition on sda2...
[01:34] <d3> sorry, not a linux guy, I'm better with freebsd lol
[01:35] <arraybolt3> I would *guess* it would be on whatever drive your /boot partition is on.
[01:36] <arraybolt3> That being said, I'm not 100% sure, and I think you can probably end up with "split" installations where part of GRUB is in one place and part in another (though I'm not sure about that either).
[01:36] <arraybolt3> I don't know how to detect which drive(s) has (have) working GRUB code in their boot sector.
[01:36] <d3> ./dev/sda1     2048     4095     2048    1M BIOS boot
[01:36] <arraybolt3> oh, if you're using GPT partition tables then the bios-boot partition is the one
[01:37] <d3> so grub-install to sda1?
[01:37] <arraybolt3> grub-install to sda
[01:37] <arraybolt3> not sda1
[01:37] <arraybolt3> grub will figure out to use the 1 partition
[01:37] <d3> okies
[01:38] <d3> no errors, only a warning after update-grub that os-prober will not be run
[01:38] <Bashing-om> d3: ' sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ' to see where grub is installed to.
[01:39] <d3> fack
[01:39] <d3> that reports sda3
[01:39] <d3> sda3 is my /
[01:39] <arraybolt3>  /boot and bios-boot are *never* the same thing
[01:39] <arraybolt3> so it's probably OK
[01:39] <d3> ./dev/sda3  1054720 83884031 82829312 39.5G Linux filesystem
[01:39] <arraybolt3> the bios-boot partition is an unformatted raw partition where GRUB plops some boot code.
[01:40] <d3> I already did the grub-install to sda
[01:40] <arraybolt3> The rest of GRUB is then somewhere else (if I'm understanding correctly)
[01:40] <d3> and update-grub
[01:40] <arraybolt3> so yeah, that sounds like it's all correct.
[01:40] <Bashing-om> d3: sda3 might be correct as looking for the congig files 0n / .
[01:41] <d3> now I'm really confused.... mount shows /dev/sda3 mounted on / and /dev/sda2 mounted on /boot/efi
[01:42] <d3> I'm going to comment out the efi partition and yolo it and try a reboot
[01:42] <d3> comment out in fstab
[01:42] <Bashing-om> d3: More than you might wat to know: sudo debconf-show grub-pc :D
[01:43] <d3> Bashing-omh I'll paste the output to you
[01:43] <d3> it references grub-pc grub-efi and grub2
[01:43] <d3> i'm so confused why grub and grub2 is installed
[01:44] <d3> Bashing-om https://termbin.com/64wrc
[01:45] <Bashing-om> d3: Want to compare my output - where I multi-boot with ext4 file system ?
[01:47] <arraybolt3> grub-pc and grub-efi are both part of grub2.
[01:47] <d3> fack, I can't even snapshot this VM for some reason
[01:47] <d3> arraybolt3 ok, well
[01:47] <d3> i'm just going to yolo
[01:47] <d3> brb
[01:50] <d3> well reboots are fine....why is grub-efi-signged-xxxx giving me errors when trying to install apt packages then?
[01:52] <arraybolt3> Not sure, but hopefully it'll stop doing that once you've rebooted
[01:52] <arraybolt3> You could try "sudo apt --fix-broken install" and see what happens?
[01:53] <d3> https://termbin.com/v5tn
[01:53] <d3> it didn't fix it sadly
[01:53] <d3> can i apt purge that package?
[01:53] <d3> *safely* I should say haha
[01:53] <arraybolt3> I believe so.
[01:53] <arraybolt3> If you're booting with BIOS, there's no need for it.
[01:53] <arraybolt3> Make sure it's not going to take out anything important though, obviously
[01:54] <d3> over the last couple of days of googling and reading posts, some people mention trying dpkg-reconfigure -a after getting the partitions and grub-install sorted....
[01:54] <d3> will that help here?
[01:55] <d3> not every post mentions it, but I remember that came up in a few
[01:55] <Bashing-om> d3: Might be good to check /boot/grub/grub.cfg for any /dev/sdh2 references.
[01:57] <d3> grep says no
[01:57] <Bashing-om> d3: Unexpected that by UUID then ?
[01:57] <d3> there's lots of efi-hints to hd0,gpt3
[01:58] <d3> like 8 lines with that same efi-hints option
[01:58] <mruffell> yeah the dpkg-reconfigure will probably help. its probably been set in a debconf setting a long time ago
[01:58] <mruffell> You can check with
[01:59] <mruffell> $ echo get grub-pc/install_devices | sudo debconf-communicate grub-pc
[01:59] <mruffell> and it will show what value debconf has
[01:59] <d3> #UUID=4A26-306F  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[01:59] <d3> also why is that UUID so short in my fstab?
[01:59] <d3> ^^ is sdh2 (at install) according to the comment
[02:00] <d3> mruffell 0 /dev/sdh is the output
[02:00] <mruffell> yeah, well theres your pain point
[02:01] <mruffell> thats what the dpkg is complaining about, since it no longer exists
[02:01] <acetyll> did you have a win install before this one?
[02:01] <d3> so can i just reconfigure grub-pc?
[02:01] <d3> acetyll no, but it has been migrated from exi to hyperv and back, it's been around the block
[02:02] <d3> the / partition has anway
[02:03] <d3> can I nuke this partition and re-install/re-configure the grub package?/dev/sda2     4096  1054719  1050624  513M EFI System
[02:03] <d3> so that efi isn't even known to the system? it's booting fine via bios
[02:10] <acetyll> d3 https://www.sans.org/blog/investigating-wmi-attacks/
[02:11] <d3> you trying to tell me my system is compromised? lol
[02:15] <d3> acetyll?
[02:20] <acetyll> just something to look into, wmi attacks are understudied in syssec world. because well duh, it's an utter swamp
[03:27] <imbezol> is there a way to disable all snap notifications? when you get a dozen or more apps installed it's just constant this or that should be refreshed. how do i make it never show me a popup ever again, and let me update my software on my own schedule?
[03:28] <imbezol> also, when i add shortcuts to snap apps to my panel, and then i later upgrade.. the icon is still there.. but it fails to launch. i have to delete those shortcuts and recreate them every time i update my snap apps. is there a way to fix that?
[03:29] <imbezol> i can look at the properties of the shortcut and it looks like the correct path etc.. i can copy paste it in a terminal, and it runs. but it won't run from the panel until i recreate the shortcut
[04:37] <Yakov> usually I use gnome-terminal variation to call .desktop file/script, how should I ammend i to call the same with kitty
[06:25] <Guest28> hey all
[06:25] <Guest28> looking for help regarding a issue with a ps3 controller
[06:28] <Guest28> can anyone help?
[06:29] <arraybolt3> Guest28: You're trying to use this with Ubuntu?
[06:29] <Guest28> yes
[06:29] <Guest28> thanks for the reply
[06:30] <arraybolt3> From what I see online you should be able to just plug it into a USB port and it should work.
[06:30] <Guest28> ok thanks for looking in to it
[06:31] <Guest28> I've been at it all day
[06:31] <arraybolt3> Bluetooth is supposedly flaky with them.
[06:31] <arraybolt3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/409761/how-do-i-use-a-playstation-3-sixaxis-controller-with-ubuntu-to-control-games
[06:32] <Guest28> ubuntu reads the controller however I think the /dev/input/SHAN_WAN file is not accessable and the right stick does read true
[06:32] <Guest28> the controller is not bluetooth
[06:32] <Guest28> It's usb
[07:02] <Guest53nshire> testy test
[07:02] <toddc> welcome Guest53nshire
[07:02] <Guest53nshire> I'm trying to move one partition to a different disk, it looks like gparted doesnt support this?
[07:04] <gebbione> hi i tried googling but didn't get an answer ... i am on 22.04. Nvidia card/drivers again misbehaving (me thinks) . So i would like to check what is the latest fully supported kernel that is definitely stable.
[07:04] <toddc> Guest53nshire: correct gparted creats and manages partions not data so creat a partition on the new disk then copy the data
[07:04] <Guest53nshire> also my screen is exclusively in shades of green and turquoise, which while aesthetically looks nice is not ideal to look at
[07:04] <Guest53nshire> toddc, I'm moving a whole linux install
[07:05] <toddc> Guest53nshire: I might recommend cloanzilla for that a small distro just for that perpoise
[07:06] <toddc> as far as the screen what version of ubuntu and desktop DE and video card would be helpful
[07:07] <Guest53nshire> 22.04 lts and rtx 3060 https://i.imgur.com/mGYlpEB.png
[07:07] <Guest53nshire> do the colors loo normal for you or is it showing the green
[07:07] <toddc> !nvidia | gebbione
[07:08] <Guest53nshire> does it work on live media
[07:09] <gebbione> toddc, i do already. I recently run automatic update and something broke things up ... no errors in journalctl so i need to try alternatives and update-drivers is to its latest
[07:09] <toddc> gebbione: it does depend on you card not all are supported within each driver
[07:09] <gebbione> my RTX 2070 is supported
[07:11] <Guest53nshire> well it looks like I can actually copy a partition from one drive to another with gparted
[07:12] <arraybolt3> Guest53nshire: Your screen looks normal to me.
[07:12] <arraybolt3> Pretty sure you have a color profile set wrong if you're seeing weird colors on your end.
[07:13] <Guest53nshire> grub looked fine and so did the splash screen so that would make sense
[07:13] <Guest53nshire> where can I check that
[07:13] <arraybolt3> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/color-assignprofiles.html.en see if you can remove or change a color profile by adapting the instructions here
[07:13] <arraybolt3> I've made my screen do all sorts of cool things messing with those settings :P
[07:14] <gebbione> if i run nvidia-smi it says it fails because it cannot communicate with driver
[07:14] <arraybolt3> gebbione: I think you probably need to do something with DKMS if the driver goes weird like this. I saw an Ubuntu dev help people with this twice just recently.
[07:14] <arraybolt3> Lemme find the command he used...
[07:15] <arraybolt3> sudo dkms autoinstall
[07:15] <arraybolt3> gebbione: ^ try that
[07:15] <arraybolt3> then reboot if it succeeds and see what happens
[07:16] <gebbione> thank you, trying
[07:16] <arraybolt3> Also with NVIDIA it's a good idea to keep your system regularly updated to reduce the chances of this sort of thing happening in the future (it's caused by a race condition).
[07:16] <gebbione> arraybolt3, i actually usually get these problems when i update
[07:16] <arraybolt3> (credit goes to Eickmeyer for that info)
[07:17] <arraybolt3> gebbione: right, but you're more likely to run into them if you only update rarely.
[07:17] <gebbione> looks promising
[07:18] <gebbione> i do regularly :) nice one about this @Eickmeyer and thank you arraybolt3
[07:18] <gebbione> I am back on the system
[07:18] <gebbione> the most annoying thing is that nothing in journalctl gave a hint of it
[07:19] <gebbione> i go by guessing that if i cannot find an actual error it is the nvidia card
[07:19] <arraybolt3> heh
[07:19] <Guest53nshire> did I time out?
[07:19] <arraybolt3> Guest53nshire: Yes, about 3 minutes ago.
[07:20] <arraybolt3> Nothing happened related to the issue you were facing in that time though so you didn't miss mutch.
[07:20] <arraybolt3> *much
[07:20] <Guest53nshire> I assume if I copy a partition to another disk I should set a new uuid correct
[07:20] <Guest53nshire> that way the bootloader doesn't freak out when it sees 2 identical uuids
[07:20]  * arraybolt3 wonders if you could somehow run nvidia-smi on each boot and make it throw an error in the journal log if it reports that it couldn't communicate with the driver
[07:20] <arraybolt3> Guest53nshire: Correct.
[07:20] <arraybolt3> Things can go awry when your universally unique identifiers have evil twins. :)
[07:21] <Guest53nshire> whoever linked the color pallette thing saved the day
[07:22] <Guest53nshire> red and green channels were switched for some reason
[07:22] <Guest53nshire> err no wait... well this looks more readable and non retina-destroying but red and green are switched now
[07:24] <Guest53nshire> okay okay applied an srgb profile and now all is good. hdr is weird I guess.
[07:24] <Guest53nshire> unfortunate that I only discovered that right as I'm about to power off my liveusb but oh well, learned something new
[07:24] <Guest53nshire> thx
[07:29] <nshire> is gparted not installed by default?
[07:36] <nshire> so I copied my installation partition onto another ssd but it wasn't detected by my system
[07:36] <nshire> only bootloaders were windows and this ubuntu one on the old drive
[07:49] <phr34k> can anybody help me, yesterday suddenly snapcraft stopped working (version was bumped from 7.5.3 to 7.5.4) -- and now some vague error about craft providers cannot start instance and check lxd logs, and inside of the lxd logs there is some error that instance type is not operational because kvm support is missing.
[07:51] <onizu> Hi. I installed Ubuntu 22.04.1 on a MacbookPro. I see the three-touch gesture on the touchpad works but it switches the desktops. How can I make it click-drag the windows?
[07:53] <phr34k> I am not sure what is wrong here, but i am pretty annoyed at this fragile system because everything was working fine before, and now even reverting snapcraft didn't actually do anything.
[08:04] <Guest31nshire> do I need to set filesystem flags for a bootable gpt drive
[08:04] <Guest31nshire> like when I right click the partition in gparted no flags are set
[08:06] <ravage> phr34k: #snappy or the discourse. for me the update worked fine without any errors. but this is not the room for it
[08:14] <phr34k> ravage I already posted on discourse, but I usually end up asking here because snappy and snapcraft channels have zero activity, and most of the time it's always an middleware error.
[08:37] <wodes> onizu probable a gnome tweak, let me have a look
[08:37] <wodes> probably*
[08:38] <wodes> onizu https://www.omglinux.com/customize-gnome-touchpad-gestures
[08:38] <onizu> I checked in tweaks, couldn't find anything.
[08:39] <wodes> "Gesture Improvements extension"
[08:39] <onizu> wodes: ok, checking
[08:54] <onizu> wodes: that does not have the gesture to move windows with three-finger tap and drag
[08:58] <Guest31nshire> does your touchpad support multitouch
[08:58] <Guest31nshire> some don't
[09:05] <onizu> Guest31nshire: of course.  I'm used to VNC and Remmina, but they won't work behind this CGNAT?
[10:31] <zaggynl> I wouldn't open vnc or rdp to internet, alternatives are apache guacamole, vpn or ssh tunnel
[10:31] <kotgc> zaggynl, hmmm
[10:32] <kotgc> I tried OpenVPN, but I don't think my router's WAN gives OpenVPN the needed ISP public WAN IP, so that failed.
[10:33] <kotgc> From my research, it seems TailScale maybe via SSH tunnel or something?
[10:33] <kotgc> Beyond my skills, using SSH, SCP and these days RSYNC.
[10:34] <zaggynl> old school tunnel is also possible, without tailscale, but would have to open up ssh to internet
[10:35] <kotgc> zaggynl, hmm, seems quite tricky. I would like GUI access though, not just CLI.
[10:41] <zaggynl> kotgc: well once you setup the tunnel you can route anything through it
[10:55] <kotgc> zaggynl, ok, I'll have to research about it.
[12:01] <alocer> Hello all, Is it possible to launch a gui app through landscape server ? got any ideas?
[12:19] <webchat53> There has been a fix of a rather serious issue in OpenZFS (zfsutils-linux) in versions 2.1.14 and 2.2.2  (https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/releases/tag/zfs-2.1.14). None of these seems to be available in ubuntu. Where can I see and track the patching of the packages delivered with ubuntu?
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> webchat53: is this what you seek? https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-6511-1
[12:36] <webchat53> lotuspsychje its exactly that kind of information I'm looking for. That happens to be the wrong issue though. The issue I'm looking at is about corruption of files -- so it may not be labeled as a security issue? -- that is particularly frequent with coreutils>9.0 A search on that page does not seem to list any other issue for OpenZFS though.
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> webchat53: this? https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-49298
[12:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- OpenZFS through 2.1.13 and 2.2.x through 2.2.1, in certain scenarios involving applications that try to rely on efficient copying of file data, can replace file contents with zero-valued bytes and thus potentially disable security mechanisms. NOTE: this issue is not always security related, but can be security related in realistic situations. A possible example is cp, from ... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-49298>
[12:40] <webchat53> lotuspsychje That's it! Thanks! I'm not very good at searching on that page then it seems. But good to know for the future that is where I will have to look. Thanks for the help and I'll keep an eye on that page for when a fix appears.
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> webchat53: see also the #ubuntu-hardened channel, where ubuntu's security issues are handled
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> oh, seems #ubuntu-security now
[12:43] <webchat53> Thanks lotuspsychje, good to know!
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> welcome webchat53
[12:59] <amraeknsyh> Hi, Can anybody help me?
[13:02] <amraeknsyh> hi ?
[13:02] <tarzeau> !ask
[13:03] <amraeknsyh> okay, i'm sorry for that
[13:08] <amraeknsyh> So I downloaded ubuntu 2 months ago on my 256GB SSD.. but after yesterday I checked the remaining capacity only 108.6GB left and I asked my friend that /var/log/ was 100GB and that's what triggered the capacity to drain a lot and I got a solution by limiting the application log in the 100MB setting with the GNU Nano command, but it didn't work. So
[13:08] <amraeknsyh> please help me so that I can limit the var log
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:47] <loswedseded> my browser froze in the middle of composing an email. Is there any chance to copy the email now?
[17:48] <arraybolt3> loswedseded: screenshot it so you can retype what you see?
[17:48] <arraybolt3> That's what I usually do in those kinds of circumstances. Obviously, might not get everything.
[17:53] <arraybolt3> lotuspsychje: yikes, I hope my ZFS driver isn't new enough to have that problem! I use ZFS heavily and would hate to see silent corruption like that.
[18:00] <stuffandthings> if i have an ntfs partition that didnt shutdown gracefully, how do i do the "scandisk" equivalent in linux?
[18:01] <JanC> arraybolt3: it's a bug that has been in ZFS since ~2012, but that was hard to encounter in the past; a new feature in OpenZFS 2.2 and some new features in  coreutils 9+ that sometimes trigger it are the reason why it was found now
[18:01] <arraybolt3> ah.
[18:02] <arraybolt3> stuffandthings: There isn't a good scandisk equivalent in Linux - you really should use chkdisk in Windows if you can.
[18:02] <JanC> so when you are on e.g. 22.04 it's not very likely (but not impossible) that you encounter it
[18:02] <arraybolt3> If you can't, ntfsfix may be what you want.
[18:03] <arraybolt3> JanC: Makes sense.
[18:03] <JanC> although, I guess some other applications might also be able to trigger it...
[18:03] <stuffandthings> i use a winpe iso to do just that
[18:03] <stuffandthings> by not very good, do you mean that it risks data loss?
[18:04] <arraybolt3> stuffandthings: Correct.
[18:04] <stuffandthings> very good to know
[18:04] <stuffandthings> thanks
[18:05] <arraybolt3> There might be some way to rig it so that you have a partition on your drive with WinPE that you can boot into with GRUB to make this sort of thing more convenient.
[18:05] <stuffandthings> i always keep a ventoy'd tiny usb attached to the back of the machine
[18:06] <arraybolt3> nice, then yeah I'd just keep using that.
[18:06] <stuffandthings> will do
[18:06] <stuffandthings> is there any trusty way to convert ntfs to ext?
[18:07] <JanC> copy the data elsewhere first (if you have backups, this might not be needed), reformat, copy it back (or restore from backups)
[18:07] <akik> stuffandthings: no ntfsfix is a linux command
[18:08] <akik> stuffandthings: if you have win pe and chkdsk there, do that instead
[18:08] <stuffandthings> akik: i know
[18:08] <stuffandthings> i do
[18:09] <stuffandthings> JanC: i need to get a spare
[18:10] <JanC> generally, the data loss would be limited to whatever was being written at the moment of the unclean shutdown though, so then ntfsfix is probably enough...
[18:11] <JanC> I mean, anything half-written is probably not very useful anyway
[18:11] <stuffandthings> mayble ill experiment on a vm or something
[18:11] <stuffandthings> yeah
[18:12] <JanC> OTOH, doing the check on Windows wouldn't hurt (hopefully :) )
[18:13] <stuffandthings> yeah
[18:19] <stuffandthings> im guessing gnome-disk is the only gui way to trigger ntfsfix?
[18:28] <leftyfb> stuffandthings: ntfsfix is a CLI tool
[18:28] <stuffandthings> i know but theres gota be some gui that makes use of it
[18:28] <leftyfb> stuffandthings: I would recommend booting into Windows and running chkdsk and reboot. Do this twice
[18:29] <stuffandthings> twice?
[18:29] <leftyfb> yes
[18:29] <leftyfb> Boot to Windows - Run chkdsk - reboot
[18:29] <leftyfb> then do it again
[18:31] <stuffandthings> gnome disks has a repair fs option
[18:31] <stuffandthings> just found it
[18:31] <stuffandthings> not gona use it though
[18:31] <stuffandthings> *gonna
[18:55] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: twice? How come, out of curiosity?
[18:55] <arraybolt3> I vaguely remember hearing this sort of thing before.
[20:50] <webchat37> hey guys, just newly created account here hoping for your expert advice.
[20:52] <webchat37> any one live here rn?
[20:52] <stuffandthings> its cool but you dont have to ask to ask
[20:52] <leftyfb> webchat37: what is your ubuntu support question?
[20:54] <webchat37> I have a situation where I have file named SWS where it uses the system ubuntu 64-bit 22.04.1 from my flash drive. But after booting up, it just shows black screen. I'm using a Ryzen 5 3400G with an AMD rx 580 video card. I've tried updating my BIOS to the latest version but the issue still persist.
[21:08] <arraybolt3> What is SWS?
[21:12] <webchat37> It's an environment for my workspace that uses Ubuntu as their system.
[21:14] <leftyfb> webchat37: define environment. Are you booting to the live usb environment? Is this a VM? WSL?
[21:16] <webchat37> I think its WSL. Though I can't exactly confirm since I can't see it for myself yet. I'm only seeing black screen when booting up.
[21:20] <arraybolt3> I don't think we're going to be able to help with this - this could *theoretically* be an Ubuntu problem, but more likely something's awry with SWS. I'd suggest asking your company tech support (or your company's support contacts for SWS) for help.
[21:21] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu 22.04.1 is also an outdated ISO of 22.04 - you might try 22.04.3 if that's possible (which it may not be - it depends on whether SWS is booting/loading/whatever it does an actual official Ubuntu 22.04.1 ISO, as opposed to some customized thingy).
[21:22] <webchat37> Yup. Actually did that and they asked me to use a different device. It's working for my laptop's friend which is why I really have to figure out how to fix it on my device.
[21:24] <webchat37> I tried to use vmware though to replicate the issue. It did boot up though it just went to initframs line command.
[21:25] <arraybolt3> webchat37: what ISO are you using?
[21:25] <arraybolt3> Is this Ubuntu Desktop or Server?
[21:26] <arraybolt3> Is it customized by your company or is it an official image?
[21:26] <arraybolt3> And can you redownload it? Maybe your image or flash drive is corrupted.
[21:26] <arraybolt3> (If it drops to an initramfs prompt in VMware, something is probably very wrong with your image.)
[21:27] <Habbie> or check the hash
[21:35] <stuffandthings> i get about 1/2 the wifi reception on ubuntu vs windows, anyone know whats up with that?
[21:36] <Habbie> stuffandthings, 1/2 measured in what way?
[21:37] <stuffandthings> halfish the bars/ transfer speeds are way worse
[21:37] <stuffandthings> dualboot system, ive gone back and forth multiple times, always worse on linux
[21:38] <stuffandthings> other distros too
[21:38] <Habbie> bars might not be interesting
[21:38] <Habbie> but transfer speed is
[21:38] <Habbie> how are you measuring speed?
[21:38] <stuffandthings> yeah
[21:39] <stuffandthings> ookla, transfering files over my nw, downloading stuff from the same source
[21:39] <Habbie> ok
[21:39] <Habbie> sounds like decent testing (i don't have answers though)
[21:40] <stuffandthings> damn, thanks anyway
[21:41] <stuffandthings> even more surprising is that its intel wifi
[21:46] <stuffandthings> that and yt studdering are keeping me off of it full time on that machine
[21:49] <jeremy31> stuffandthings: There are a couple things to do with Intel wifi, in terminal>  echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8"| sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlopt.conf
[21:49] <jeremy31> stuffandthings: second thing in terminal>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[21:49] <jeremy31> Then reboot
[21:50] <stuffandthings> great thanks!