[18:17] <erUSUL> broken links in ubuntu main website. http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#bt
[18:17] <erUSUL> 8.04 links are broken... 8.04.3 is current release not 8.04.2
[18:17] <erUSUL> afaics
[18:19] <erUSUL> anyone alive?
[18:24] <lajjr> That isn't good.
[18:24] <erUSUL> indeed. it's the LTS release...
[18:25] <erUSUL> have to run. i filed a bug report
[18:25] <lajjr> good and thank you erUSUL
[18:25] <lajjr> Be Safe.
[23:42] <rxMokka> howdy folks
[23:43] <rxMokka> anyone know why I might be having trouble connecting to packages.ubuntu.com via httpd?


[14:45] <lfaraone> Is this the right place to make suggestions to the ubuntu.com text?
[14:47] <lfaraone> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-desktop-latest is great, but it isn't linked from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?release=latest&bits=32&distro=desktop, or even from the "official documentation" link which shows a guide of how to use ubuntu, not how to install it.
[18:15] <jbicha> lfaraone: hey, how are you doing?
[18:17] <jbicha> I believe the correct place to make website improvement suggestions is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+filebug


[06:46] <xypron> What authorization is needed to set bugs to 'Won't fix', e.g. LP #351475 related to a release with EOL 2012? Can't bugs not touched for 5 years be closed automatically?
[11:13] <seb128> juliank, hey, could you help reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/416950 it's a follow up of the ubuntu-drivers switch to use apt_pkg
[12:03] <Fantu> hi, until a sync exception for Jammy can be requested? thanks for any reply and sorry for my bad english
[12:12] <ahasenack_> morning
[12:29] <jbicha> Fantu: yes, you can use requestsync. See https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/requestsync If the Debian package adds new features, you need to use the "-e" option
[12:37] <Fantu> jbicha thanks for reply, was about bleachbit, I request 2 time in debian-python chat in latest month if someone can update it but no one seems had the time, I prepared and tested (in unstable and ubuntu) new version but I don't know when will be acccept (https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/bleachbit/-/merge_requests/1) so I asked what is the time limit for sync exception
[12:41] <jbicha> hmm
[12:42] <jbicha> I'll take a look at sponsoring that for you for Debian
[12:43] <Fantu> jbicha big thanks
[14:38] <seb128> juliank, thanks for the review!
[16:04] <bdmurray> xypron: you need to be a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol to set bug reports to won't fix and teams like motu and core-dev are members of ubuntu-bugcontrol.
[16:05] <xypron> bdmurray: thanks.
[16:06] <bdmurray> xypron: This page also talks about how bugs can expire https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Expiry
[17:34] <enr0n> If anybody has time to review, I have a few patches that need sponsoring (LP: #1965155, LP: #1965163, LP: #1965174). TIA
[17:40] <bdmurray> I'll sponsor the mit-scheme change
[17:41] <enr0n> bdmurray: thanks!
[17:44] <bdmurray> enr0n: using 0001 again is kind of weird but not a deal breaker
[17:58] <enr0n> bdmurray: okay good to know. That's just the default when getting the patch from `git format-patch`
[18:00] <jawn-smith> enr0n: have you learned about quilt?
[18:02] <enr0n> jawn-smith: yeah I use quilt most of the time (and in this case imported the patch with quilt)
[18:02] <enr0n> but in some cases I prefer making the source changes in the git repo and importing the git patch
[18:02] <jawn-smith> awesome just wanted to check
[19:36] <LocutusOfBorg> enr0n, I sponsor nfstrace, but not in Ubuntu
[19:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I do upload in Debian and then sync it
[19:36] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[19:43] <LocutusOfBorg> and its in!
 nfstrace <IP_ADDRESS>+git20200805+b220d04-2.1 uploaded by Nick Rosbrook<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Closes: #997231) https://tracker.debian.org/nfstrace
[19:50] <LocutusOfBorg> enr0n, ^^
[19:51] <enr0n> LocutusOfBorg: great, thanks!
[20:13] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks to you for fixing it
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> enr0n, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfstrace/<IP_ADDRESS>+git20200805+b220d04-2.1~build1
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh
[20:15] <LocutusOfBorg> enr0n, isn't %zd the best way to do it?
[20:17] <LocutusOfBorg> and ppc64el is even more sad https://launchpadlibrarian.net/591109818/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-ppc64el.nfstrace_<IP_ADDRESS>+git20200805+b220d04-2.1~build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:53] <enr0n> LocutusOfBorg: ah darn. Okay I will look at that again tomorrow morning.
[22:05] <bryceh> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running shows some big backlogs across the board on jammy.  Is this a known issue?
[22:53] <bdmurray> bryceh: I see some long running tests on armhf I can kill
[22:57] <bryceh> bdmurray, couldn't hurt, although whatever's going on appears to be on all architectures.
[22:58] <RikMills> bryceh: 2 or 3 different things triggering a sh*t-ton of tests all on the same day, by sad coincidence
[22:58] <bryceh> RikMills, ah.  That could do it
[22:58] <bdmurray> glibc was accepted into focal-proposed the other day
[22:58] <RikMills> python3 world rebuild in jammy
[22:58] <RikMills> kde frameworks
[22:59] <bdmurray> It'd be useful if you could see the triggers w/ quantity of tests on the running page
[23:01] <bryceh> graphs for the queue lengths data items would be nifty.
[23:01] <RikMills> we have that
[23:01] <bryceh> maybe there's something on the statistics page, but it doesn't load for me
[23:01] <bdmurray> https://ubuntu-release.kpi.ubuntu.com/d/yIC34LpGk/ubuntu-metrics?orgId=1
[23:02] <bryceh> RikMills, bdmurray ooh perfect
[23:02] <RikMills> https://ubuntu-release.kpi.ubuntu.com/d/76Oe_0-Gz/autopkgtest?viewPanel=12&orgId=1&refresh=10s
[23:04] <RikMills> https://ubuntu-release.kpi.ubuntu.com/d/76Oe_0-Gz/autopkgtest?orgId=1&refresh=10s
[23:19] <bryceh> shame the python rebuild didn't wait for the weekend.  I was super close having php done.
[23:40] <JackFrost> Hrm, with openssl 3.0, how did packages work around requesting a key for tests?  I got: Can't load /nonexistent/.rnd into RNG


[00:05] <skande> niko: ban à vie ??
[00:06] <niko> skande: bad channel > #ubuntu-fr-ops
[00:11] <Pici> niko: do you have a moment?
[00:11] <niko> yes
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> Hey nalioth, you should update the !info plugin in ubot3 to default to karmic.
[04:37] <bazhang> * Bacta has been banned from #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-ops :(   <-- in #kubuntu
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> Interesting.
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> bazhang: may want to mention that in #freenode - he was actually K-Lined, but is back on a different hostmask
[04:45] <bazhang> tonyyarusso, okay thanks
[04:45]  * tonyyarusso finds it odd that K-lines don't block accounts - he's identified
[04:53] <bazhang> tonyyarusso, PM'ed a staffer the appropriate info
[07:52] <bazhang> Bacta still trolling #kubuntu
[07:52] <Madpilot> just kickban him
[07:52] <bazhang> would that I could
[07:52] <Madpilot> he had lots of time yesterday to behave, and didn't bother
[07:53] <Madpilot> that ban here from me is him
[07:53] <bazhang> only have ops in one channel here
[07:53] <bazhang> yep I saw in the btracker
[07:56] <Tm_T> dealt?
[07:56] <bazhang> no still there
[07:56] <Tm_T> ok, I'll look after him
[08:05] <elky> tonyyarusso, i dont believe bacta has been klined recently
[08:05] <elky> bazhang, what's he saying?
[08:05] <elky> the panda stuff?
[08:05] <Tm_T> elky: nothing like that
 Wheeeere the birds and the bees meet the willow trees
[08:05] <elky> so just being obnoxious
[08:05] <Tm_T> bah, beat me to it
[08:06] <Tm_T> elky: that's only line from him I can see, so I'll see if he continues and then act accordingly
[08:06] <bazhang> elky, also the above /me about being banned in multiple channels; the sexual harassment stuff is in defocus
[08:06] <bazhang> err #defocus
[08:06] <elky> bazhang, yes, i'm in defocus and freenode
[08:06] <bazhang> elky, aha
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> elky: I may be thinking of someone else.  Also @ bazhang
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> Thankfully, other people keep track of such things.
[08:08] <bazhang> tonyyarusso, when I spoke to nhandler he said he was aware of Bacta and keeping an eye on him
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> close enough
[08:15] <elky> tonyyarusso, bacta is on the radar of most staff and has been for at least a year.
[08:23] <Tm_T> ...I hate missing ops there
[09:10] <Bacta> Hi there, I would basically just like to apologize for my behaviour over the past day
[09:10] <Bacta> It's been childish and stupid
[09:12] <elky> thanks for the apology.
[09:13] <Bacta> Also was wondering how I can go forward from here
[09:13] <elky> i suspect it's best you let everyone cool down for a few days before you ask for anything more
[09:14] <Bacta> mmk
[09:20] <ikonia> Bacta: please don't pm me
[09:21] <Bacta> I did about 2 hours ago
[09:21] <ikonia> yes, and I'm asking you not to
[09:22] <Bacta> I thought Ubuntu staff were fine for private messages?
[09:22] <ikonia> as I've asked you many times before
[09:22] <ikonia> based you your past behaviour I've requested to you any discussion happen in here
[09:22] <ikonia> you make false accusations about what people say in pm
[09:23] <Bacta> no i don't
[09:23] <Bacta> and i requested this be discussed in here hence the unbanning
[09:23] <ikonia> well it seems the discussion is over for the moment
[09:24] <Bacta> Do you accept my apology?
[09:24] <Flannel> Bacta: It was advised to you already that you come back in a few days after everyone has had a chance to cool their jets.   When did I get banned from #kubuntu?
[09:54] <ikonia> Bacta: 9:00 today
[09:55] <Bacta> Which is how long ago?
[09:55] <ikonia> 55 minutes
[09:55] <ikonia> sorry, forgot you're in a different time zone
[09:55] <Bacta> What for?
[09:55] <ikonia> your behaviour
[09:55] <Bacta> I don't see anything there that would warrant a ban
[09:55] <ikonia> I warned you yesterday it had to stop, you joined #kubuntu after being warned and banned from multiple ubuntu channels
[09:56] <Bacta> It seems to be you doing all the banning, perhaps a second opinion would be nice
[09:56] <ikonia> 07:46 < Bacta> Wheeeere the birds and the bees meet the willow trees
[09:56] <ikonia> Bacta: how many times have you been asked NOT to do that
[09:56] <Bacta> That should warrant a ban?
[09:56] <bazhang> Bacta, you were asked to part and come back in a few days.
[09:56] <Bacta> bazhang: PM?
[09:56] <ikonia> Bacta: with your current and previous behaviouir - yes it has to stop
[09:57] <bazhang> Bacta, please part and come back in a few days.
[09:57] <Madpilot> Energizer troll. Bleh.
[10:00] <bazhang> ikonia, ##linux is registered only in light of the recent bot attacks
[10:00] <ikonia> bazhang: understanable, however the guy in question has an active registered nick that he says can't join
[10:01] <ikonia> bazhang: georgij is registered and currently identified, but he still can't join
[10:01] <bazhang> ikonia, I think he was not identified
[10:01] <ikonia> he was earlier as georgij
[10:01] <ikonia> and still is
[10:01] <bazhang> ikonia, he just identified and got in
[10:01] <ikonia> don't know though, stopped trying to help him when I got called a fucking whore
[10:02] <bazhang> just trying to get him out of #debian to be honest
[10:38] <ikonia> not so evil now niko ?
[16:54] <MenZa> !gvfs
[19:44] <tsimpson> are we going to shut down #ubuntu-uds* ?
[20:06] <Tm_T> !sound
[20:07] <Tm_T> how did I could check factoid of particular channel?
[20:07] <ikonia> !factoic-#channel
[20:08] <ikonia> !sound-#kubuntu
[20:08] <ikonia> !sound-#ubuntu
[20:08] <ikonia> like that
[20:08] <Tm_T> arts should be gone there
[20:08] <ikonia> !arts-#kubuntu
[20:08] <ikonia> !arts
[20:08] <ikonia> looks good
[20:09] <ikonia> or am I missunderstanding
[20:09] <Tm_T> ikonia: in !sound-#kubuntu
[20:09] <ikonia> ahhh
[20:09] <ikonia> !sound
[20:09] <ikonia> !sound-#kubuntu
[20:09] <ikonia> Tm_T: what should it say ?
[20:10] <Tm_T> I don't know about how it goes nowadays, but ARTS is not used in KDE4
[20:10] <ikonia> I'll have a quick prod
[20:21] <tsimpson> we don't use a "sound system" in KDE4, so we can just get rid of that
[20:21] <tsimpson> !no sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:22] <ikonia> just forget it then
[20:22] <ikonia> !forget
[20:22] <tsimpson> we don't need to " ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer)" either
[22:08] <mneptok> hi honey! i'm home!
[22:09] <gord> i am not =\
[22:11] <Flannel> mneptok: There's a casserole in the oven, help yourself.
[22:17] <mneptok> Flannel: thanks, dear. did you get the kids tucked in?
[22:18] <mneptok> gord: still @ the hotel?
[22:33] <LjL> hey, could someone have a look at #ubuntu-offtopic? links posted and stuff seem kind of inappropriate to me.
[22:35] <ikonia> yup
[22:37] <ikonia> LjL: sorry for slow reponse
[22:37] <Pricey> Straw poll, could anyone that got involved with the irc council discussion at uds please leave me a /msg ? If I already know about you then dw.
[22:38] <Pricey> (remotely)
[22:38] <LjL> ikonia: thanks
[23:05] <ardchoille> the user Yo in #ubuntu needs a hint about ot, I've sent him two but I don't think he understands
[23:35] <ardchoille> the user unconnected in #ubuntu has been banned and unbanned twice now
[23:35] <ikonia> looking
[23:36] <ikonia> k-train looks an interesting user
[23:36] <jpds> ikonia: wat?
[23:36] <ikonia> there is a user called k-train in #ubuntu
[23:37] <ikonia> unconnected looks like it may be bucky


[09:36] <tomwardill> ricotz: builders are back (broken image service in one DC, broken image in another)
[09:46] <ricotz> tomwardill, great :), thank you
[11:28] <ricotz> hi, could someone please take a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/697119 ?
[11:38] <cjwatson> ricotz: done
[11:38] <ricotz> cjwatson, thank you very much
[14:07] <athos> I am wondering what the way forward on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1702130 should look like. This one is about using resolver-ant-tasks for snap builds (I am having issues with how the build handles/uses the proxy)
[14:09] <athos> This was for a cassandra snap. Cassandra recently (on cassandra >= 4) moved away from maven-ant-tasts in favor of resolver-and-tasks, and I am wondering if this would be enought to build a new cassandra snap :)
[14:11] <cjwatson> So the proxy is just provisioned through the environment
[14:11] <cjwatson> http_proxy / https_proxy
[14:12] <cjwatson> And it is at least partially being used here
[14:12] <cjwatson> [10/May/2021:13:38:53 +0000] "CONNECT repo1.maven.org:443 HTTP/1.1"<PHONE_NUMBER> "-" "Java/11.0.11"
[14:12] <cjwatson> ^ that line is logging from the proxy
[14:13] <cjwatson> This is probably a bug in either the snapcraft integration for resolver-ant-tasks (or similar), or in resolver-ant-tasks itself
[14:14] <cjwatson> Easiest way to tackle this sort of thing tends to be to set up a simple squid proxy or whatever, and a container that only has internet access through the proxy and not directly, and try running the build in that
[14:14] <cjwatson> Oddly, for a language that has historically had high adoption in corporate environments, lots of Java code seems to be weirdly bad at handling proxies
[14:15] <cjwatson> But LP staff are mostly not Java programmers so we really need help from actual Java people to sort this kind of thing out
[14:16] <ogra> if you just need to transition to a different env var dynamically based on http_proxy being set you can do that easily from inside snapcraft.yaml though ...
[14:16] <cjwatson> What does "transition to a different env var" mean here?
[14:16] <ogra> bug #1886861 has it in the description
[14:17] <cjwatson> Ah right.  This may or may not be the same thing
[14:17] <ogra> oh, and sergio actually talks about maven in there
[14:17] <cjwatson> I spent *days* going down a rabbit-hole of things I didn't understand at all last time I tried to debug maven-ant-tasks
[14:17] <cjwatson> And didn't really get anywhere
[14:18] <cjwatson> So I'm quite strongly inclined to explain to a Java person (e.g. athos, I hope) how the system works in general and let them figure it out :)
[14:18] <ogra> well, it got assigned to chris 🙂
[14:18] <cjwatson> Can we avoid conflating npm and maven though please?
[14:18] <ogra> probably just fell off the table because nobody made any noise on it anymore
[14:19] <cjwatson> The underlying cause is probably completely different
[14:19] <ogra> k
[14:19] <cjwatson> I don't know why Sergio randomly brought up maven in that bug
[14:20] <cjwatson> But Java and JavaScript are not the same and don't have much to do with each other :)
[14:20] <ogra> indeed
[14:20] <cjwatson> It might indeed be that resolver-ant-tasks needs some more environment variables or manually setting some Java properties or ... I don't know
[14:20] <ogra> and this is even specific to npm ...
[14:22] <ogra> (not even javascript, just to enable its scripts to download tarballs)
[14:27] <athos> cjwatson: ack; I will get squid in that container and start debugging the issue then (btw, I am not a java person)
[14:34] <cjwatson> OK, I was just hoping :)
[14:34] <cjwatson> squid would most easily be outside the container FWIW
[14:35] <cjwatson> That way you can easily prevent everything in the container from any internet access other than squid, and squid can talk freely
[14:35] <cjwatson> (easily> with ufw or similar)


[07:10] <lubuntu> yo
[07:11] <luna__> hi
[07:14] <ExeciN> Hi people. I'm trying to install ubuntu server 22.04 on a vps but something goes wrong with the installer right after I confirm the ssh keys fetched from my github account and I get prompted to report this to canonical. Is there a workaround besides moving on without imported keys?
[07:15] <murmel> ExeciN: it's probably better to ask in #ubuntu-server
[07:15] <ExeciN> I mean I can set up key authentication later but doing it through vnc is a PitA. I have to somehow aquire the keys (I can maybe post each one on termbin), create/populate .ssh/authorized_keys, change permissions for .ssh and authorized_keys, modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config, reload sshd
[07:15] <ExeciN> murmel: ok
[09:22] <masber> hi, so I have ubuntu running in my laptop. Virtualbox told me there is a new update so I downloaded the deb package, now I am trying to install it and the Ubuntu Store pops up asking me to remove the package?
[09:23] <masber> why?
[09:24] <ravage> masber, open a terminal. go to the download directory and run "sudo apt install ./your-vbox-update.deb"
[09:25] <ravage> in general Ubuntu comes with it's own tools like virt-manager to manage VMs. maybe give that one a try
[09:31] <toddc> masber: there are two versions one from the ubuntu repos you are using the one from Oracle which is a newer un-tested version so yes remove and install or wait for the repo vesion
[09:33] <toddc> masber: you can add the oracle repo and always have the newest but it may have bugs
[09:41] <tomreyn> in my experience, the builds provided by the oracle virtualbox repository work better than the ones provided in ubuntu's multiverse repositories.
[09:46] <masber> same for me
[09:53] <elderbard> hello everybody!
[09:53] <BayouBilly> elderbard hello
[09:53] <elderbard> How are you today? @BayouBilly
[09:54] <elderbard> Just installed Lubuntu along side my Win10 and decided to try out this app Quassel
[09:54] <BayouBilly> tired after upgrading for several days to get zoom and a few things working better
[09:54] <elderbard> How has that worked out so far?
[09:55] <elderbard> I remember using FreeBSD once. Took me a week to try get my graphics card to work
[09:55] <elderbard> that was a nightmare lol
[09:55] <elderbard> What is this channel for mostly? and where can I find other channels?
[09:55] <BayouBilly> elderbard well i made a zoom voice contact yesterday...using a jack sink for pulse
[09:55] <ogra> this channel is for ubuntu support questions ...
[09:56] <elderbard> Oh I see. my bad. thanks @ogra
[09:56] <ogra> if you want to generally discuss ubuntu stuff, please go to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:56] <BayouBilly> elderbard  i was going to check out the ghostbsd when i get a chance
[09:57] <elderbard> ghostbsd is nice. it sorted the graphics issue out. they have a Telegram group if you need quick assists
[09:57] <BayouBilly> and see how that is coming along
[09:57] <elderbard> @ogra I'll check those
[09:58] <BayouBilly> well i heard they got the mate gui working on ghostbsd
[09:58] <ravage> !ot | BayouBilly
[09:58] <BayouBilly> ubottu ok
[11:27] <iomari891> greetings, why are my servers accessing cloudfront?
[11:27] <ravage> because some process on your server connects to it
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:42] <gordonjcp> BluesKaj: afternoon
[12:42] <gordonjcp> wie gehts?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> 'morning gordonjcp :-)
[12:55] <rs2009> BluesKaj: evening
[12:56] <BluesKaj> rs2009, 👋🏾
[14:05] <JerOfPanic> hi all :) got a new server
[14:05] <JerOfPanic> Ubuntu 22 and 12 gigs RAM, 240 gigs HD, 8 cores
[14:06] <JerOfPanic> at home I have Ubuntu 22 with 8 gigs RAM
[14:06] <BayouBilly> 12 gigs ram..what are you going to do  compile libreoffice
[14:06] <JerOfPanic> 4 cores
[14:06] <JerOfPanic> BayouBilly: relational databases
[14:06] <JerOfPanic> a news engine
[14:06] <BayouBilly> oh serious stuff
[14:07] <tomreyn> JerOfPanic: congrats on the new server. do you have an ubuntu support question about it?
[14:08] <BayouBilly> jeofpanic are you going to use that free mariadb or the apache nonsql database
[14:10] <BayouBilly> jerofpanic i once did some database stuff for an auction server that everyone could use but i got tired of messing with it
[14:11] <BayouBilly> jeropanic i just leave it to ebay now
[14:12] <ogra> BayouBilly, do you have an ubuntu support question ?
[14:12] <BayouBilly> ogra not at this time but i am getting some gnome shell crashes and seahorse crashes from time to time
[14:13] <ogra> BayouBilly, well, this channel is reserved for support, if you want general chatter about new servers or some such, please take it to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:13] <BayouBilly> ogra ok i was just asking about his new ubuntu database server
[14:14] <ogra> right, do that in #ubuntu-discuss ... there it is fine 🙂
[14:14] <BayouBilly> ogra ok
[14:24] <JerOfPanic> BayouBilly: I am interested on seeing this box in vaction
[14:24] <JerOfPanic> BayouBilly: my previous server was double core, this is octa core
[14:24] <JerOfPanic> so it will outperform surely
[14:27] <BayouBilly> jerofpanic ok ogra says to discuss the ubuntu server in #ubuntu-discuss
[14:27] <ogra> 👍
[14:33] <JerOfPanic> BayouBilly: okay heading to there? coming?
[14:34] <BayouBilly> JerOfPanic yes i am in ubuntu-discuss now
[14:42] <VIA> hey quick question
[14:42] <VIA> can i ~generally find out what my Computer (linux) was UPTo at arount a curente point in time? ( like backwards 2 weeks ~)?
[14:43] <user9d> sure
[14:43] <lubuntu> You can use atop -r to find out
[14:44] <user9d> VIA: go into /var/log and go:    find -type f -ls    #look at the dates, and find ones that are old
[14:47] <lubuntu> If you just want to make sure your computer was running and for how long, enter "uptime"
[14:54] <jhutchins> Two weeks seems a bit long.
[14:59] <jhutchins> Looks like the default is 30 days though, so VIA should be fine.
[15:29] <Airwolf> Greetings. Just installed Ubuntu server 22.04.1, is working ok, but getting a message uon login regarding Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts. Anyone know if that's on their end?
[15:32] <VIA> jhutchins: how to i save/get the data ?
[15:32] <VIA> oh ic user9d described smthn
[15:33] <VIA> ty
[15:35] <VIA> <3
[15:44] <ioria> Airwolf, do you have this file ? /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available
[15:45] <Airwolf> ioria, yes, I do
[15:46] <ioria> Airwolf, is it empty ?
[15:47] <Airwolf> It contains the error I get when logging in
[15:48] <ioria> Airwolf, so, copy it to release-upgrade-available.back and then  sudo truncate -s 0  release-upgrade-available , and login again
[15:51] <Airwolf> Ok, fixed.. A glitch?
[15:52] <ioria> nope, and old bug i guess
[15:53] <Airwolf> Likely to reoccur, then. I did see a few search results several years old when trying to google it
[15:53] <ioria> yep
[15:53] <Airwolf> Thanks
[15:54] <Airwolf> Maybe I'll just disable that part of the motd.
[15:54] <ioria> no prob, basically,that file it's not cleared
[15:54] <Airwolf> Thanks, I don't like errors on a new system.
[15:55] <ioria> yeah
[15:56] <user9d> errors on a new system is scary because there is a 3% chance you have to return the hardware and get something else
[15:58] <user9d> like for example I go to Best Buy to get the newest Mac OSX Apple laptop [to put Xubuntu 22.04 on it] only to find that the LiveUSB that I burned with unetbootin is 0% booting.
[15:58] <Airwolf> Not something I want to do, as the reason for this rebuild is a power supply that went bad and took the motherboard/cpu and 3 hard drives with it.
[15:59] <user9d> awww I'm sorry Airwolf
[15:59] <ioria> anti-surge disabled ?
[16:00] <user9d> all of the anti-surge protection must've fried as well.
[16:01] <ioria> wow
[16:01] <Airwolf> Anyway.. I have a good handle on how ipv4 works, but not so much with ipv6. Since I don't understand it, I can't firewall it, so I've just been disabling it system wide on prior builds. Are there any good sites that explain how ipv6 works, and how to firewall it with ufw/iptables?
[16:02] <Airwolf> I've got this connected to an APC UPS, so I don't think it was an external spike.. I think the power supply itself died, and sent a voltage spike to the board, drives, everything
[16:03] <ioria> #netfilter might help you , i guess Airwolf
[16:03] <Airwolf> Hmmm.. didn't know there was a channel for it.
[16:12] <Airwolf> Guess I'll leave ipv6 disabled till I have time to learn it so I can firewall it
[16:12] <Airwolf> Thanks for the help
[16:18] <SoCkEt7> bash
[16:19] <tomreyn> SoCkEt7: what do you mean?
[16:20] <ogra> no bashing in here ! 🙂
[16:20] <ogra> (except bashing-om indeed)
[16:22] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: hi, glad you made it here from #ubuntustudio. so i understand that you have a Lenovo AIO 520-27ICB with this NVME SSD installed https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/174d562104ae92ca49f5c0a56bbf3f339bc6a05d as well as a HDD which you installed ubuntustudio on. but you are saying your computer does not recognize the NVME SSD. is this correct?
[16:24] <tomreyn> if that's so, then i wonder how you created this "lspci" output, though, since this shows that linux did detect the nvme ssd.
[16:24] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: so, in order to finish my ideea, the strange/funny fact is that once i realised that no linux distro will 'see' the SSD drive, i tried reinstallind Windows only to have the big surprise that couldn't do that. The setup installer returned an info right from the start that windows cannot be installed because of some drivers missing.  There was no info regarding of what driver specifically is missing.
[16:26] <tomreyn> i see. that's a good additional piece of information to have, but i'm afraid we can only help with ubuntu and its official flavors (such as ubuntustudio) here.
[16:27] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: if you could respond to the "lspci" question above, this may help us further. it would also be good to know whether you can still boot ubuntustudio on it and still get this output from lspci now.
[16:27] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: i have the same unclarity. I dont know how and why the ssd appears in sistem monitor / PCI
[16:28] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: Does it show up in the BIOS/EFI?
[16:28] <cojmeliegrigore[> Ubuntu studio is the only OS i'm using on this pc
[16:28] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes, the SSD shows in BIOS
[16:28] <tomreyn> i'm guessing that it just has no partition table on it
[16:29] <tomreyn> and thus you assume that ubuntustudio does "not detect" it (when lspci clearly shows it does detect it)
[16:29] <ogra> cat /proc/partitions | grep nvme
[16:29] <ogra> should show if there are any
[16:30] <ogra> ... hmm or you could save the cat and just do "grep nvme /proc/partitions" ...
[16:30] <genii> tomreyn: Possibly the device is seen but unclaimed by a driver
[16:31] <ogra> then it would not show up
[16:31] <tomreyn> genii: yes, this could be
[16:31] <tomreyn> i guess we'll need more info from cojmeliegrigore[ either way.
[16:34] <cojmeliegrigore[> please, tell me how to proceed. This situation is busting my brains out for the last month. and i will be honest, i don't have yet enough info, but i'm eager to learn.
[16:37] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: suggestions were already provided above. does it help to repeat those?
[16:38] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: ogra suggested that you (open a terminal window and) run this command: grep nvme /proc/partitions
[16:38] <tomreyn> ...and then tell us what the output is
[16:39] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: if you refer to suggestions posted by ogra , the commands do not return any result
[16:39] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: okay, that's valuable information.
[16:39] <ogra> yeah, looks like there is definitely no partition table
[16:40] <ogra> do you have a /dev/nvme0 device ?
[16:40] <ogra> (and a /dev/nvme0n1 perhaps ?)
[16:41] <tomreyn> you can use the     ls /dev/nvme0*     command to find out
[16:41] <ogra> yeah
[16:42] <cojmeliegrigore[> ls cannot acces /dev/nvme0*. no such file or directory
[16:42] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: would you also be okay with sharing your system log from when ubuntustudio started up? this log can contain unique hardware identifiers.
[16:43] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: you can use this command to share the most relevant part of your log:   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:43] <tomreyn> it will print a http address you can post here
[16:43] <cojmeliegrigore[> honestly i have no privacy issues and nothing to hide
[16:46] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: should I only run the command ?
[16:46] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: you should run the comand and post here the http address it returns.
[16:47] <cojmeliegrigore[> or there is anyhting else to do, because i have ran the command and it has no output
[16:47] <ogra> it should return a url
[16:47] <cojmeliegrigore[> it doesnt't return anything
[16:47] <tomreyn> is this computer online, though?
[16:47] <ogra> (and then return you to the input prompt)
[16:48] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: what do you mean if is the computer online ?
[16:48] <cojmeliegrigore[> i'm typing from this pcv
[16:48] <cojmeliegrigore[> pc*
[16:48] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: whether it is connected to a network which lets it access the internet.
[16:48] <tomreyn> okay, then it is
[16:48] <tomreyn> let's try this as a test:   echo HELLO | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:49] <tomreyn> does this one return a http address?
[16:49] <tomreyn> by "return" i mean, does it print it, on the terminal window you're running it on?
[16:50] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes, i know what 'return' stands for
[16:50] <cojmeliegrigore[> i'm not that well informed, not an idiot
[16:50] <cojmeliegrigore[> and yes
[16:51] <user9d> cool then we're clear. crystal.
[16:51] <cojmeliegrigore[> the last command returns this : https://termbin.com/tydc
[16:51] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: sorry, i don't mean to suggest you are an idiot, just making sure i explained myself well enough. ;)
[16:52] <enigma9o7[m]> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:52] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: great, this worked! if you access this in your web browser you will see the "HELLO" got posted online
[16:52] <tomreyn> so the command enigma9o7[m] just posted again should really also post a http address
[16:52] <tomreyn> err print
[16:53] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes when I acces browser it shows " HELLO
[16:54] <tomreyn> then let's try again:    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:55] <cojmeliegrigore[> nope
[16:55] <cojmeliegrigore[> the same, no return
[16:56] <tomreyn> what does this print?    lsb_release -ds
[16:58] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: lsb_release -ds returns Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[16:58] <tomreyn> oh so you install Ubuntu and not UbuntuStudio, i see
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: lsb_release always returns Ubuntu because all flavors return Ubuntu.
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hence, all flavors are not their own distrol.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> s/all/official
[17:00] <tomreyn> oh, i was thinking they would differ, thanks Eickmeyer[m]
[17:01] <jhutchins> Ubuntu Studio is Ubuntu with selected packages, it doesn't operate any differently.
[17:01] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: Still, the earlier command should have worked. Maybe it it too slow. Lets try this instead:     journalctl -b >/tmp/journal 2>&1; cat /tmp/journal | nc termbin.com 9999 || echo error
[17:02] <funhouse> using 18.04 on aws, trying to extend drive from 2000 GB to 2500 GB, getting this error -->
[17:02] <funhouse> WARNING: MBR/dos partitioned disk is larger than 2TB. Additional space will go unused.
[17:02] <funhouse> NOCHANGE: partition 1 is size<PHONE_NUMBER>. it cannot be grown
[17:02] <funhouse> found this --> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/429507/cannot-extend-partition-beyond-2tb-on-aws-ubuntu
[17:02] <funhouse> Is it ok to run this? or am i gonna lose everything
[17:03] <jhutchins> funhouse: You'll only loose things that you don't have on backup.
[17:03] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: 'journalctl -b >/tmp/journal 2>&1; cat /tmp/journal | nc termbin.com 9999 || echo error ' this command also returns nothing
[17:04] <jhutchins> What's the double pipe do?
[17:04] <funhouse> jhutchins that sounds like something thats straight out of art of war or something
[17:04] <funhouse> jhutchins id rather not create an image and extend it like right now tho
[17:05] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: can you take a screenshot and upload it at imgur.com please?
[17:06] <tomreyn> jhutchins: irf the previous command returned a non zero exit code, the part behind double pipes is executes. it's like a logical OR
[17:07] <jhutchins> funhouse: There may be ways to cheat on this, but you really need to repartition your drive using GPT instead of FAT.  Messing with partitons you have a chance of saving/recovering the data, but it's a lot easier to just reformat and restore.
[17:07] <enigma9o7[m]> funhouse, you can mbr2gpt before
[17:07] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Oh, or-or.
[17:07] <funhouse> jhutchins ok
[17:07] <jhutchins> I was thinking of it as a pipe.
[17:08] <funhouse> enigma9o7[m] hmm, so just run that command with the drive?
[17:08] <funhouse> enigma9o7[m] like mbr2gp /dev/xvda  ?
[17:10] <tomreyn> funhouse: whichever tool you use, you're replacing your partition table, which is, per se, a dangerous process. you have been warned.
[17:10] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: i cannot register to imgur.com account not possible in my region
[17:11] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: as far as i know it does not require registration. maybe you can just post the image here, in matrix?
[17:11] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: let us know when you did, though
[17:11]  * cojmeliegrigore[ uploaded an image: (376KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AySyhUxolNqzSFnJVHHsqrYJ/Screenshot_20220901_200709.png >
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (IRC users can see images posted right into the chat via Matrix.)
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Got it!
[17:11] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: Isn't mbr2gpt a Microsoft tool?  Requires Windows?
[17:13] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: screenshot showed up (I think you asked to be alerted when that happened)
[17:13] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: thanks, the image has arrived.
[17:15]  * tomreyn is on the phone, could somebody continue?
[17:28] <ceibal> hi
[17:31] <kushalkumaran> cojmeliegrigore: is /tmp/journal empty? No response from termbin could mean that. I don't know if it has a maximum size limit that also results in no output.
[17:32] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: sorry, i got distracted. can you maybe post the /tmp/journal file here as an attachment?
[17:33] <tomreyn> kushalkumaran: i think termbin has a 1000 line limit, but i'd rather bet on network issues with the command not working, or a slow computer causing it to close the socket before the content got uploaded.
[17:34] <kushalkumaran> One of the reasons I prefer positive response based protocols like http.
[17:35] <kushalkumaran> I would bring out strace and tcpdump at this point...
[17:36]  * cojmeliegrigore[ posted a file: (0KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CzSHSvFbOoIPuxvsVwEGqAmb/journal.txt >
[17:36] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: apparently this is indeed empty. what does    wc -l /tmp/journal     say?
[17:38] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[:    and can you try this as well - does it return a http address?    dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:38] <cojmeliegrigore[> no wait
[17:38] <cojmeliegrigore[> i think i did somethhimng wrong
[17:38] <tomreyn> what would that be?
[17:39]  * cojmeliegrigore[ posted a file: journal (1895KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/hnegEJVaSovgiyqXQPVrJLub >
[17:39] <cojmeliegrigore[> here
[17:39] <cojmeliegrigore[> somehow i messed up and sent the empty file
[17:41] <tomreyn> right, this worked :)
[17:41] <Guest80> Hey
[17:41] <tomreyn> hi Guest80, got an ubuntu support question?
[17:42] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: i see you tried to boot this computer with a special linux parameter, nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500, probably in an attempt to make the NVME work?
[17:43] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: did you edit /etc/default/grub to make this work?
[17:44] <funhouse> tomreyn thank you
[17:45] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: if so, edit it again and make sure there is a blank space (" ") in front of the "nvme....", and then run sudo update-grub
[17:45] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes i have tried to boot with 'nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500'. i found this help on some site, i dont even remember where. I have searched on too many places
[17:45] <tomreyn> it's a good suggestion. but you made a little mistake there so it did not actually apply.
[17:45] <cojmeliegrigore[> o i do not remember if i edited the '/etc/default/grub'
[17:46] <Guest80> @tomreyn How do I know which version of GRUB is being used by Ubuntu 22 (without installing it) ?
[17:46] <tomreyn> !info grub2 jammy
[17:47] <tomreyn> Guest80: ^ this is one way. or you could search on https://packages.ubuntu.com
[17:47] <tomreyn> Guest80: or, on a 22.04 system, you could run:  apt policy grub2
[17:49] <Guest80> Thanks
[17:49] <Guest80> According to this:
[17:49] <Guest80> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/grub2
[17:49] <Guest80> Its says "dummy package"
[17:49] <Guest80> What does it mean ?
[17:50] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: so i suggest you edit it now, and add     nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500     within in the quotation marks on the    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT   line. make sure there is both a blank space (" ") before and after this option. and then run    sudo update-grub    and reboot
[17:51] <tomreyn> Guest80: that i'm a dummy and i picked the wrong package
[17:51] <tomreyn> Guest80: it really means that grub2 used to exist as a package and is just a placegolder / reference to the actual package now, which is grub-pc
[17:51] <ogra> !info grub2-signed
[17:52] <ogra> pfft
[17:52] <ogra> does the bot not know source package names ?
[17:52] <ogra> !info grub-efi-amd64-signed
[17:52] <Guest80> tomreyn Thanks!
[17:52] <ogra> thats the one installed by default (on UEFI systems at least)
[17:53] <ioria> consider that on 22.04.1 is 2.04-1ubuntu26.2
[17:53] <ogra> grub-pc is the one used for legacy BIOS hardware
[17:54] <tomreyn> ogra: thanks, you're right
[17:55] <ogra> grub really became a maze of random packages over the recent years 😕
[17:56]  * ogra wants lilo back ... one package, single config file, cant go wrong 😛
[17:57] <jhutchins> whois cojmeliegrigore[
[17:58] <ogra> now you can as well just ask 🙂
[18:03] <jhutchins> ogra: I liked lilo better than grub, but having to rebuild it every time I installed got tiresome and I gave in to grub.
[18:05] <ogra> yeah, i wasn't really serious though 🙂
[18:06] <ogra> (when having to work with bootloader stuff i *do* prefer u-boot over grub though ... grub more likely causing headdaches than u-bot ... )
[18:06] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: i'm not sure whether you're still around. if you are, try the suggestions provided above. you may also want to look into upgrading the NVME firmware.
[18:06] <cojmeliegrigore[> jhutchins: i am cojmelie
[18:08] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: I was wondering where you were from that you couldn't register.  Whois shows ipv6 which is harder to tell, it thinks you're either in California or London.
[18:08] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: i followed the steps and when i run the command it returned this
[18:09] <cojmeliegrigore[> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[18:09] <cojmeliegrigore[> /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 10: /etc/default/grub: nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500: not found
[18:10] <ogra> jhutchins, there is a london in california 😉
[18:10] <cojmeliegrigore[> jhutchins: i am neither in california nor london
[18:10] <jhutchins> ogra: Yes, but not Cheswic.
[18:12] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: Is your problem still that you don't see your ssd in studio?
[18:12] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes jhutchins . i still don't see the ssd drive
[18:15] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: Is youre system installed to a different drive?
[18:17] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes i mentioned earlier, my pc came with 2 storage drives : the SSD - 512 GB and a 3.5' HDD - 1TB. After the "dissapereance" of the SSD i used the HDD . Here i have installed studio.
[18:18] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: something must have gone wrong when you edited /etc/default/grub, please post the (one) line you edited here.
[18:20] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: tomreyn is back, sorry to distract you.
[18:21] <cojmeliegrigore[> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" quiet splash " nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500
[18:21] <cojmeliegrigore[> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[18:21] <tomreyn> thanks for helping out there, jhutchins
[18:22] <cojmeliegrigore[> jhutchins:thanks
[18:23] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: make it this instead:   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500 "
[18:23] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: and keep the    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""    line as it is
[18:23] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: then run     sudo update-grub     again
[18:24] <tomreyn> and tell us what it says.
[18:26] <cojmeliegrigore[> well it returned this : cojmelie@cojmelie-studio:~$ sudo update-grub... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ebe8269b141d187ded0d23b2ce6d7c0d32861945)
[18:26] <cojmeliegrigore[> it seems that this time worked.  right ?
[18:26] <ogra> yep, looks good
[18:28] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: i agree, looks good. so reboot again, and see whether lsblk then shows the nvme ssd
[18:29] <FlorianBad> What is the equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.local  in ubuntu?
[18:30] <ogra> FlorianBad, create a script and a systemd unit ...
[18:30] <ogra> (a "oneshot" daemon unit)
[18:30] <tomreyn> FlorianBad: there's none in systemdland. you'd write a proper systmed unit. for those who are too lazy, there's a templace for a unit which behaves similar to what rc.local did
[18:30] <tomreyn> *templaTe
[18:31] <tomreyn> (*too lazy to manage their system properly)
[18:32] <Guest3738> hello
[18:33] <FlorianBad> tomreyn: I'm not sure I understand that part. I'm writing a script that installs these boot scripts, so it has to be as simple as possible, there's going to be no manual stuff
[18:34] <ogra> FlorianBad, so you change your script to create systemd units instead ...
[18:34] <FlorianBad> There isn't a single place where a script can be executed at the end of the boot?
[18:34] <morganu> 20.04  Can I get a shortcut to a Chrome page on my desktop.
[18:34] <FlorianBad> ok... I have no idea what that is but at least I have a keyword to google now
[18:35] <FlorianBad> why make this complicated really... :-/
[18:35] <FlorianBad> It's exactly why I love slackware
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes morganu.
[18:35] <FlorianBad> because other distros have all that BS
[18:36] <enigma9o7[m]> If you really want.
[18:36] <morganu> enigma9o7[m], oops there it is under "more tools"
[18:38] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: i am back! i rebooted and now i ran lsblk and it returned loops from 1 to 14, sda which is the HDD and sr0 - the dvdrom
[18:38] <cojmeliegrigore[> still no SSD
[18:38] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: what's the output of: cat /proc/cmdline
[18:39] <cojmeliegrigore[> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency root=UUID=c7729c4e-485c-4ff9-bc0b-c9e3831bd661 ro threadirqs quiet splashnvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500
[18:40] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: interesting, it's still the same typo, the missing space between "splash" and "nvme...."
[18:40] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: can you attach file /etc/default/grub please
[18:41]  * cojmeliegrigore[ posted a file: grub (1KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YkZdKcmcWLxVSEozGRYQKuhh >
[18:41] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: thanks, and now also attach file /etc/default/grub.d/init-select.cfg
[18:42]  * cojmeliegrigore[ posted a file: (0KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wmypXcnoiUpppAOjJNMdoQOm/init-select.cfg >
[18:44] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: okay, those look fine. please also attach /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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[18:46] <johnfg> hi folks
[18:47] <johnfg> tightvnc server is running without any errors.  However, when I try to connect it fails, and this is the error:
[18:48] <ogra> cojmeliegrigore[, is there really no space between "splash" and "nvme" in the "cat /proc/cmdline" output (there needs to be)
[18:48] <johnfg> Failed to configure: Unsupported session type
[18:48] <jhutchins> johnfg: What client are you using, on what platform?
[18:49] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: apparently your installed grub loaded a configuration file from a different location
[18:49] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: that, or you did nt actually reboot, but i think you would know that.
[18:49] <johnfg> I'm using UltraVNC (at present) on Win10.
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[18:50] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: i did rebooted
[18:51] <johnfg> I'll try from debian in a minute, after I switch systems.
[18:51] <jhutchins> tomreyn: update-grub, grub-install?
[18:51] <tomreyn> jhutchins: we did update-grub, grub-install should not be needed.
[18:52] <tomreyn> but yes, maybe we should just grub-install, too
[18:53] <jhutchins> johnfg: I would suspect an incompatible default configuration on UltraVNC.  TightVNC has a windows client, maybe start there.
[18:53] <jhutchins> johnfg: https://www.tightvnc.com/winst.php
[18:53] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: run: sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[18:53] <jhutchins> tomreyn: +
[18:54] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: please post the output of this command
[18:55] <cojmeliegrigore[> sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f43df66f8bae19e521965afd8d812c3eb6ecc81c)
[18:56] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: please reboot again and post    cat /proc/cmdline     again
[18:57] <cojmeliegrigore[> sure do
[18:58] <ogra> this smells like a bug in grub-mkconfg TBH
[18:58] <tomreyn> how so, ogra?
[18:58] <ogra> i wonder if the stray space in /etc/grub/default causes it
[18:59] <tomreyn> the grub.cfg has "splash" and "nvme..." separated by a blank space everywhere
[18:59] <ogra> (the one before the closing quotes)
[19:00] <tomreyn> hmm, i had it added exactly to prevent such issues
[19:01] <tomreyn> i rather think the system bios is set to boot a different grub and that is set to load a different grub.cfg
[19:01] <tomreyn> but this also doesn't seem too likely
[19:01] <cojmeliegrigore[> cojmelie@cojmelie-studio:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
[19:01] <cojmeliegrigore[> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-47-lowlatency root=UUID=c7729c4e-485c-4ff9-bc0b-c9e3831bd661 ro threadirqs quiet splash nvme.core.default_ps_max_latency_us=5500 vt.handoff=1
[19:01] <cojmeliegrigore[> cojmelie@cojmelie-studio:~$
[19:02] <tomreyn> it worked this time, good
[19:02] <tomreyn> do you have the ssd listed on lsblk now?
[19:02] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes it did
[19:03] <tomreyn> so do you see nvme...something when you run "lsblk"?
[19:03] <cojmeliegrigore[> no, not visible in lsblk
[19:03] <tomreyn> hmm, okay. did this nvme work in the past?
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[19:05] <tomreyn> when did it stop working exactly? was that what primpted you to install ubuntu and other operating systems, or was it the other way around?
[19:06] <jhutchins> What about manually supplying a correct boot command line?  (maybe escape the space?)
[19:06] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes, in the first instance i didn't removed completely windows. i ran windows from the ssd and ubuntu on hdd. the ssd was visible in ubuntu too. somehow i do not really remember how i removed completely windows
[19:06] <jhutchins> Have we already tried that?
[19:06] <cojmeliegrigore[> and after that moment the ssd vanished
[19:07] <tomreyn> jhutchins: replacing the installed grub solved the issue of the system booting with the wrong grub.cfg, this is no longer an issue.
[19:07] <jhutchins> Ach, sorry, not following closely enough.
[19:08] <tomreyn> no worries
[19:09] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: so i think it would be good to update the firmware on it, if you can get it to do so.
[19:09] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: this may make it loose any data, though, if that matters
[19:09] <jhutchins> I suppose we could try installing a stock kernel and see if that made a difference.
[19:09] <tomreyn> it's a stock kernel
[19:10] <cojmeliegrigore[> if u refer to the data on the ssd, i have no hope to recover anything
[19:10] <jhutchins> It seems to be a low-latency kernel, or did I miss that too?
[19:10] <tomreyn> yes, it's ubuntu's stock low-latency kernel ;)
[19:11] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: Any time you're messing with disk structures, you run the risk of an error, even just a human "oops", so backups are in order.
[19:11] <jhutchins> Well, y'know, try high-latency.  Turn it off and back on again.
[19:12] <jhutchins> Not seeing a drive would seem to be a kernel-level problem.
[19:12] <cojmeliegrigore[> regarding the firmware update, i think i already read about this option and tried but i didnt succed. i have tried to dowload updated firmware from manufacturer's site
[19:12] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: so one possibility is that the nvme has just died. that's why i was asking about the series of events. maybe you noticed the nvme no longer worked, and in an attempt to make it work again, you started installing different operating systems. if this is what happened, i would assume the nvme may just be dead.
[19:13] <cojmeliegrigore[> and it is only available for windows
[19:13] <cojmeliegrigore[> another option io haven't tried
[19:14] <cojmeliegrigore[> i have thought about this possibillity
[19:14] <cojmeliegrigore[> i can buy an external usb adapter for ssd and see if it works
[19:15] <cojmeliegrigore[> what do you think, should i try this >
[19:15] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: if you like, it could be interesting to review your current system journal again, because we haven't seen it after you successfully made the system boot with the new kernel parameter
[19:15] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: journalctl -b > /tmp/journal.txt     and then post /tmp/journal.txt here
[19:16] <tomreyn> attach, i mean
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[19:21] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: Have you done anything physically with the SSD?  Maybe try it in a different slot?  (Cheaper and faster than an adapter.)
[19:21] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: so the nvme no longer times out during initialization now, but it still does present several errors
[19:21] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: my guess is that it's really just dead, but i am not really familiar enough with nvme's to help you diagnose this properly.
[19:22] <c_89> Hi I have this sample text https://pastebin.com/raw/qshU8X7d that I should insert in conky config file, but being present the images tag I'm finding it difficult if I have to use the ${offset} or ${tab} tag to keep the images aligned with the text, I state that I used the Dejavu Sans Mono font on conky. I accept your advice
[19:22] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: if you look at the log, these     pcieport 0000:00:1c.6    lines are what indicates the problem
[19:23] <tomreyn> oh, actually it still times out during initilization, i just missed it
[19:24] <cojmeliegrigore[> jhutchins: i haven't done anything with the ssd drive.
[19:24] <jhutchins> cojmeliegrigore[: I agree with tomreyn, that looks like a serious hardware error.
[19:25] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: i understand and i am very gratefull for your help and implication
[19:26] <cojmeliegrigore[> even if practically the output is kinda sad for me
[19:26] <cojmeliegrigore[> you guys are really helpfull
[19:33] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: you're welcome, sorry for not being able to revive it. there are nvme-tools and it may be possible to install the firmware upgrade from linux. but ID the nvme is dead this won't work / wont revive it
[19:33] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: the software you'd be using on windows is https://support-en.wd.com/app/products/product-detailweb/p/1534#WD_downloads
[19:41] <cojmeliegrigore[> i understand tomreyn . i wil try this method, and if i will succed i'll write to you
[19:42] <cojmeliegrigore[> with special thanks
[19:49] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: :) good luck!
[20:29] <oerheks> cojmeliegrigore[, last resort, reseat the nvme drive; remove, go into bios, save, shutdown, reseat nvme, boot into bios if it shows; save, boot again
[20:31] <dorcas> put in in your tshirt and blow on it
[20:31] <sarnold> :D
[20:34] <oerheks> yes, it might be hot.
[20:34] <genii> Test that it's not hot enough to burn your fingers before reseating
[20:35] <oerheks> genii, what if it makes water boil??
[20:36] <rob0> put on a cup of tea?
[20:37] <genii> oerheks: Then you might want to wait a while first
[20:49] <horse9>  /quit
[20:53] <FlorianBad> When I change the sshd port, it's not enough to handle firewalling with my own iptables boot scripts? I've just read there is something called "ufw"? Could that prevent my new port from working after boot despite my iptables scripts?
[20:56] <murmel> FlorianBad: by default ufw is disabled, so very unlikely (except you enabled it)
[20:56] <FlorianBad> systemctl status ufw  :  Active: active (exited) since Thu 2022-09-01 20:46:14 UTC; 9min ago
[20:56] <FlorianBad> (did not enable it)
[20:57] <murmel> FlorianBad: "sudo ufw status verbose"
[20:58] <FlorianBad> Sorry got stuck out of the server after silly mistake. Will re-install it and check that soon.
[20:58] <rob0> You can indeed open and close ports in a firewall, the "old fashioned" way.
[20:58] <FlorianBad> So if I understand correctly, ufw is something that calls iptables at boot? Then it's gone?
[20:59] <rob0> But ufw rules could conflict with your rules.
[20:59] <rob0> ufw uses nft, not iptables
[20:59] <oerheks> no, ufw uses iptables.
[20:59] <FlorianBad> ok. So if I just do apt-get remove ufw I should be good to handle everything iwth my own scripts?
[20:59] <oerheks> !ufw
[20:59] <murmel> FlorianBad: no ufw is a firewall interface, which interacts with nftables (or iptables on older releases)
[20:59] <rob0> By default iptables-nft(8) is translating iptables rules to nft.
[21:01] <FlorianBad> If I do `apt-get remove -y ufw` after install of the server, then nothing else will interfere with my iptables scripts?
[21:01] <rob0> The move to iptables-nft by default took place some time after 18.04 and before 20.04. It's definitely nft in 20.04 and beyond. (Can be changed with update-alternatives(8).)
[21:03] <murmel> FlorianBad: the command I gave you should tell you that ufw is disabled, which means it doesn't block anything. so it shouldn't interfere
[21:05] <FlorianBad> ok, but there's no better way to disable it for good with an apt-get remove ;)
[21:06] <ogra> it *is* disabled
[21:06] <ogra> unless you explicitly enabled it with the correct commands
[21:06] <murmel> FlorianBad: if you mean the service, just disable it (or even mask)
[21:06] <murmel> but you can remove it also
[21:06] <ogra> by design it is set up so that users can set up their wn iptables rules
[21:06] <ogra> *own
[21:06] <rob0> FlorianBad: you could have iptables/ip6tables or nftables services enabled, which could also interfere with your scripts.
[21:07] <rob0> BTW I also would recommend against such scripts. It's better to use the iptables or nftables service to restore rules at boot time.
[21:08] <FlorianBad> murmel: you're right! It is disabled:   Command 'ufw' not found, but can be installed with:     :)
[21:08] <murmel> FlorianBad: wait, ufw is installed by default
[21:09] <murmel> so, are you using an image from a hoster?
[21:09] <FlorianBad> murmel: I know but afer our conversation I added the apt-get remove to my install scripts so I could then execute the command you gave me ;)
[21:09] <murmel> ahh k
[21:09] <FlorianBad> but hey, since that apt-get is the only thing I changed in my script we'll know if that was in fact enabled. If it works it was.
[21:10] <murmel> FlorianBad: as me and also ogra said, ufw.service is enabled, but the firewall itself is disabled
[21:11] <FlorianBad> murmel: I'm using Vultr right now with a script that copies everything via ssh and then does thing on that server before rebooting. It always worked with other distros but I just switched to Ubuntu so I now need to adapt a few things to make it work. Firewall conflicts are part of these things
[21:11] <ogra> yu need to explicitly enable the ufw tool with the correct ufw commands ... that the no-op service ran says nothing about the status
[21:12] <FlorianBad> I strongly suspect that Vultr would have a custom version of Ubuntu where ufw is enabled by default
[21:12] <murmel> idk, as i never used vultr
[21:12] <ogra> we'll never know ... since you removed it before checking 🙂
[21:14] <FlorianBad> nope, we will know 2 ways:  1. If it works, since the apt-get remove is the only thing I've done...   2. I just found a ton of ufw-* rules in iptables -L INPUT
[21:14] <FlorianBad> so yes it was enabled
[21:18] <ogra> odd ...
[21:18] <ogra> (given the package has everything explicitly disabled by default)
[21:18] <FlorianBad> Vultr must tweak the Ubuntu images
[21:19] <ogra> at that point i personally would look for anoter provider ... who knoesws what else they modify
[21:19] <FlorianBad> yeah...
[21:19] <murmel> I love always to use an actual installer iso. yes it takes longer to get running. but I know, its all default
[21:19] <murmel> or you can upload your own image
[21:19] <ogra> (vultr would theoretically not be allowed to call it ubuntu anymore ... modified images must be called "ubuntu remix" ... they might get mail from canonical 🙂)
[21:20] <FlorianBad> I don't want to advertise Vultr, just to make that clear. Had many issues with them, one of them being to TERMINATE a live server just because they estimated it used to much CPU! madness
[21:20] <FlorianBad> All right, that did it. I could now reboot and connect correctly;)  Thanks!
[21:20] <ogra> good luck 🙂
[21:41] <BinarySavior> hello i'm on ubuntu 21.10 (haven't booted this machine in a while) and i'm having trouble upgrading to 22.04
[21:41] <BinarySavior> apt update fails
[21:45] <BinarySavior> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xrynRyJxH3/
[21:47] <BinarySavior> do i just have install 22.04 from scratch?
[21:47] <enigma9o7[m]> No
[21:47] <enigma9o7[m]> You can switch over to the old archives to get impish working well enough to upgrade.
[21:48] <enigma9o7[m]> There's an official website or wiki or something with instructions that I've seen people link from here, I dunno it myself... hmmm.
[21:49] <enigma9o7[m]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades I think is the one
[21:49] <BinarySavior> https://itsubuntu.com/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-21-10-to-ubuntu-22-04-lts/
[21:49] <BinarySavior> oo okay
[21:49] <BinarySavior> i found this, seems to be working so far, i know it's not official ubuntu tho
[21:50] <enigma9o7[m]> great, if you get stuck again follow up here
[23:53] <sal-mon> Hello, I'm having a very strange issue right now, I turned off my pc (Ubuntu 22.04) and booted it the next morning, but it gave me this error: [End Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt] . So I flashed boot-repair (64 bit) on a usb drive and after numerous workarounds, it's stuck for a long time after this: Running
[23:53] <sal-mon> /scripts/nfs-premount ... done. What can I do now?
[23:54] <sarnold> maybe try the recovery boot options in grub? try holding down shift when booting, and select either a previous kernel, or the recovery mode for one of the various kernels
[23:54] <sal-mon> It's still throwing the same error
[23:55] <sal-mon> sometimes it returns this: kernel panic not syncing attempted to kill init
[23:55] <sal-mon> but sometimes
[23:57] <arraybolt3[m]> sal-mon: Can you still boot a usual Ubuntu 22.04 live USB?
[23:57] <sal-mon> It also throws an error of the same variety, I'll boot it again so I can write down the error
[23:58] <arraybolt3[m]> And... what did you do to your computer? Did you drop it, sit on it, etc.? This sounds like the hardware is throwing a fit to me, especially if a live USB acts the same way.
[23:59] <sal-mon> Thing is, I don't know, nothing out of the ordinary happened, I thought so too, so I got a RAM stick and it's still panicking


[16:33] <Victor> hi, how can you add/remove icons from the launcher in ubports? the usual drag and drop from the whole "search" menu doesn't seem to work


[01:40] <bluesabre> ochosi: secret to building with lxpanel support?
[01:40] <bluesabre> checking for optional package lxpanel >= 0.5.6... not found
[01:40] <bluesabre> lxpanel:  Installed: 0.6.2-0ubuntu1
[01:42] <bluesabre> bbl to package more stuff in the morning
[01:43] <Unit193> Alrighty, thanks.
[06:45] <elfy> Unit193: ochosi - once tasksel is  actually done I guess we can move on a bit and get the testcases up and available for people then call
[06:58] <elfy> ochosi: noticed a strange thing when writing mails in thunderbird theming wise, not sure if it's *us* or not - http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-210814-075620.php and http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-210814-075656.php
[07:26] <ochosi> morning elfy
[07:27] <ochosi> hm, thunderbird isn't really gtk, so not much i can do abuot that
[07:27] <elfy> morning boss
[07:27] <ochosi> which part looks off to you exactly?
[07:27] <elfy> I did wonder, but thought I'd mention it
[07:27] <ochosi> sure, anytime
[07:27] <ochosi> these things are important, i don't see everything :)
[07:27] <ochosi> (and for instance thunderbird i don't use)
[07:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll ask eric, i really have never tried to build with lxde support
[07:28] <elfy> have a look in the second screeny - below the tool bar - it's *sunk*
[07:29] <ochosi> you mean the textarea for the email?
[07:29] <ochosi> or the formatting toolbar
[07:29] <ochosi> or the weird lines for the addressees
[07:30] <elfy> the weird lines is what made me look - but it's almost like from the toolbar down is all at a different level
[07:31] <ochosi> right, no, i guess that's a thunderbird "style feature" :)
[07:31] <elfy> but if it's nothing to do with us - that's fine, I'll fiddle about with it and see what I can find
[07:31] <elfy> ochosi: then it's a new feature :p
[07:31] <ochosi> i guess it is, yeah
[07:32] <elfy> I'll see if others are seeing it in non-Xubuntu
[07:33] <ochosi> good idea
[08:38] <brainwash> elfy, ochosi: bug 1347305
[08:38] <brainwash> also noticed that the monochrome icons are gone in thunderbird
[08:38] <brainwash> that's bug 1347124
[08:38] <brainwash> ^ won't fix :/
[08:42] <elfy> brainwash: thanks - but odd why it's just appeared here
[08:42] <elfy> aaah I guess v31
[09:15] <knome> slickymasterWork, (how) have you translated "ThisEntry" (?)
[09:16] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745509
[09:18] <slickymasterWork> knome, where is that one, in MenuLibre?
[09:19] <knome> yep
[09:19] <slickymasterWork> give me a second
[09:21] <knome> i'm mostly wondering if it should be a translation at all, or if i should keep it as is
[09:21] <knome> i mean, whether it's a known technical term for something
[09:22] <slickymasterWork> sorry knome, something came up here at work
[09:22] <knome> Copy text
[09:22] <knome> "Hidden": Hidden should have been called Deleted. It means the user deleted
[09:22] <knome> (at his level) something that was present (at an upper level, e.g. in the
[09:22] <knome> system dirs). It's strictly equivalent to the .desktop file not existing at
[09:22] <knome> all, as far as that user is concerned. This can also be used to "uninstall"
[09:22] <knome> existing files (e.g. due to a renaming) - by letting make install install a
[09:22] <knome> file with Hidden=true in it.
[09:22] <knome> bluesabre, ^
[09:22] <knome> bluesabre, i don't think that description is something that the *user* needs/wants to read in menulibre
[09:22] <knome> slickymasterWork, no problem
[09:23] <knome> bluesabre, thinking same of some of the other tooltips too.
[09:23] <slickymasterWork> I haven't. And that's not the only one, there's also the tags "NoDisplay", "StartupNotify", "TryExec" that I think shouldn't be translated
[09:23] <knome> yep.
[09:24] <knome> those are the tooltips
[09:24] <slickymasterWork> I was thinking in maintaining them as they are, but I noticed that the french translation opt to translate them
[09:25] <knome> ThisEntry?
[09:25] <knome> the tags in "Quotes" should actually not be translated..
[09:25] <knome> because they are the technical tags in the .desktop files
[09:26] <knome> so if you understand .desktop-files on a raw level, translating them just confuses you (more)
[09:26] <slickymasterWork> actually I was just referring to "NoDisplay", "StartupNotify", didn't saw if they translate ThisEntry
[09:26] <knome> i was referring to those you were referring
[09:26] <knome> i actually think bluesabre should fix the translation template.
[09:26] <slickymasterWork> lol, we're speaking about the same thing, tehn :9
[09:27] <slickymasterWork> hm hm, agree
[09:27] <knome> and as i said, some of those tooltips go on a way too specific, technical level
[09:27] <knome> like the "hidden" tooltip
[09:27] <knome> ^ as posted aboe
[09:27] <slickymasterWork> exactly
[09:27] <knome> *above
[09:27] <knome> it could simply be:
[09:28] <knome> "The field is stricly equivalent to the .desktop file not existing at all, as far as the user is concerned."
[09:28] <knome> or, "It's ..."
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> that's my opinion also. And besides tooltips are ment too be descriptive, not technical
[09:32] <bluesabre> knome, slickymasterWork: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html
[09:35] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, but isn't that the template from which to work, thus not meaning it should be transferred verbatim to every application?
[09:36] <knome> bluesabre, i've looke at that page, but i don't think it's a good idea to copy it word-to-word
[09:36] <slickymasterWork> shouldn't it be considered like a master script guideline?
[09:36] <bluesabre> yes
[09:36] <bluesabre> stop writing the same thing, guys
[09:36]  * slickymasterWork views it like knome
[09:36] <bluesabre> :)
[09:36] <knome> bluesabre, also, since the tags that shouldn't be translated are at the beginning of the line, you could simply leave them out
[09:37] <bluesabre> I know, I know
[09:37] <knome> bluesabre, i mean, even the english version shouldn't be exactly the same as in the docs
[09:37] <slickymasterWork> yes
[09:37] <bluesabre> I wanted to fix it, can't really fix it while on the 2.0.x series, has to be with the next release
[09:38] <bluesabre> I'd be just as happy to drop the tooltips entirely
[09:39] <ochosi> oh hey bluesabre
[09:39] <ochosi> early morning
[09:39] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi
[09:39] <ochosi> morning slickymasterWork
[09:43] <bluesabre> but yeah, haven't worked on menulibre-next yet... spent most of this cycle maintaining 2.0 for trusty/utopic
[09:43] <Unit193> Hrm, we getting xfpm 1.3.2?
[09:44] <bluesabre> yeah, I can push it at any time
[09:44] <bluesabre> ochosi, let me know if you figure out the lxpanel building
[09:44] <bluesabre> I'm sure the lubuntu folks would be appreciative
[09:44] <bluesabre> :)
[09:44] <Unit193> Aha, that's what it's pending on.
[09:45] <bluesabre> but yeah, I'll push what I have before heading to work this morning
[09:48] <slickymasterWork> damn LP timeouts
[09:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: what's the plan with the display dialog?
[09:51] <bluesabre> :\ was really hoping nick would appear
[09:51] <ochosi> well just man up and do the release
[09:52] <ochosi> ;)
[09:52] <ochosi> after all, it's just a dev release
[10:07] <bluesabre> pushed xfpm and xds updates
[10:07] <ochosi> sweet
[10:07] <ochosi> fwiw, i've gotten in touch with gilir (via email) a longer while ago about the lubuntu plugin – and we also asked him for some input/feedback/testing, but nothing ever came of it
[10:12] <Unit193> @ubuntu.com?  He tends to run rather busy.  As far as testing, it'd have to be built but I know who to poke.
[10:12] <meetingology> Unit193: Error: "ubuntu.com?" is not a valid command.
[10:16] <ochosi> Unit193: well he did initially reply, so he surely knows about it ;)
[10:16] <ochosi> he just never gave concrete feedback or tested it
[10:16] <ochosi> but if you know who to poke, please do so!
[10:17] <Unit193> Only in terms of testing, like poking the Elf here it won't help with building it properly.
[10:25] <ochosi> right, then i misunderstood you
[10:25] <ochosi> i assumed you knew who to poke for building
[10:26] <Unit193> gilir.
[10:26] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna poke cjwatson again for tasksel?
[10:27] <ochosi> right, i can send him another email after sean has uploaded the 1.3.2 package
[10:31] <Unit193> I could PPA the lxpanel plugin, but that's about it.
[10:32] <ochosi> well that's something
[10:37] <Unit193> Annnd, I'm out.
[10:41] <Unit193> Ahahaha, I see why it's breaking. :D
[10:42] <Unit193> Shoot, I was supposed to go out.
[10:43] <knome> "out"? what's that?
[10:43] <knome> bluesabre, what do you recommend doing with the tooltips with 2.0.x then?
[10:44] <knome> bluesabre, tbh, i'm considering just untranslating all/most of them for now until we actually have better versions of the instructions
[10:44] <knome> bluesabre, and, how do you want to cooperate on making the tooltips better?
[10:44] <bluesabre> well, they're not going anyplace yet (code is frozen in trusty), so do what you think is best
[10:45] <knome> i'd put them in a pad, but i'm open for anything else as well.
[10:45] <knome> oh btw,
[10:46] <knome> hmm, i take that last "btw" back.
[10:47] <bluesabre> Yeah, let's work together to improve that for next time
[10:47] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/MenuLibreTooltips
[10:48] <slickymasterWork> bah, I went on and translated them
[10:48] <ochosi> Unit193: ehm, so why is it breaking?
[10:48] <slickymasterWork> but you're right knome, they shoud be reworked/improved
[11:00] <bluesabre> working on the xfce4-settings package now
[11:00] <ochosi> great stuff
[11:00] <bluesabre> suppose I should push a xubuntu-icon-theme package too
[11:01] <bluesabre> or wait until closer to the next release
[11:01] <bluesabre> *beta
[11:01] <ochosi> we can do one for beta or a week before UIF
[11:01] <ochosi> i mean generally it'd be good i guess for the xfpm icons
[11:01] <ochosi> but it's not crucial
[11:01] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:05] <brainwash> bluesabre: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11057
[11:06] <ochosi> wow, that sounds like fun
[11:06] <ochosi> brainwash: have you tested/confirmed that?
[11:06] <brainwash> no
[11:07] <brainwash> but 3 users follow this bug already
[11:07] <brainwash> bug report
[11:08] <ochosi> two of those are auto-added
[11:08] <ochosi> so in fact only wally added him/herself
[11:09] <brainwash> I see
[11:09] <brainwash> does anyone actually use our staging PPA?
[11:09] <bluesabre> I do
[11:09] <ochosi> hard to tell
[11:09] <bluesabre> and have no issues with it
[11:10] <brainwash> bluesabre: did you try to reproduce the issue?
[11:10] <ochosi> but it's there for testers primarily, so it's useful either way
[11:10] <bluesabre> yes
[11:10] <bluesabre> and it works fine
[11:10] <ochosi> maybe an arch user?
[11:10] <ochosi> :}
[11:10] <brainwash> :D
[11:10] <bluesabre> you joke, but that's my first thought as well
[11:10] <knome> ;]
[11:11] <bluesabre> anybody else using the staging ppa and able to confirm if that is an issue?
[11:12] <brainwash> not many testers around :/
[11:12] <bluesabre> plenty of team members
[11:13] <ochosi> i've been testing it as well
[11:14] <ochosi> on multiple machines
[11:14] <knome> bluesabre, do you actually *understand* StartupWMClass?
[11:14] <ochosi> mostly trusty so far though
[11:14] <ochosi> so yeah, i can't reproduce the problem either, all works fine
[11:15] <knome> bluesabre, and what's the real way to describe StartupNotification
[11:15] <ochosi> righty, gotta grab some lunch now
[11:15] <ochosi> bbl
[11:16] <knome> bluesabre, in TryExec, does the menu just check if the file exist or does it run it and expect some kind of reply from it?
[11:16] <knome> bluesabre, if it just checks it, why is it important that it's an executable?
[11:16] <bluesabre> knome: StartupWMClass helps window managers/apps to know what to expect when the app is loaded
[11:16] <bluesabre> knome: StartupNotification, show a busy cursor until the app is started
[11:16] <knome> ah
[11:17] <bluesabre> knome: TryExec, dunno, lots of these things were added to the spec back when DEs sucked
[11:17] <knome> re: StartupWMClass: if you set a string in that, will it be sent, or does the app also need to support it?
[11:17] <ochosi> wow, http://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/21/new-human-interface-guidelines-for-gnome-and-gtk/
[11:18] <knome> or is it a menu-specific thing that the menu/launcher app needs to handle?
[11:18] <bluesabre> knome, an example of that http://kb.openstudioproject.com/content/fix-double-google-chrome-icon-docky-and-plank
[11:18] <bluesabre> it's for launchers/window managers to have a better idea
[11:19] <knome> right, so it has nothing to do with the app supporting anything?
[11:19] <knome> what if you set StartupNotification to true but the app doesn't support it?
[11:21] <bluesabre> knome: dunno, that's why these things are in the Advanced tab
[11:21] <knome> lol
[11:21] <knome> startup notification is NOT
[11:21] <bluesabre> I imagine its about how its supported in xfwm, mutter, etc
[11:21] <knome> it's in the main options..
[11:21] <bluesabre> oh right
[11:21] <bluesabre> well, dunno
[11:21] <bluesabre> some apps define this automatically, others do not
[11:22] <bluesabre> I'd say its up to the user to kill or enable these things
[11:22] <knome> yeah, but if you create a new launcher
[11:22] <knome> and then set that
[11:22] <knome> what happens if it's not supported?
[11:22] <bluesabre> Nothing different
[11:22] <knome> is the cursor going to be "working" forever?
[11:22] <knome> or just not ever changing to "working" ?
[11:23]  * bluesabre shrugs
[11:23] <knome> do you know any application that doesn't support it?
[11:23] <knome> or is it dependent on the WM?
[11:24] <bluesabre> I think its dependent wm/app/toolkit
[11:24] <bluesabre> catfish supports it
[11:24] <bluesabre> but I did not add that specifically
[11:24] <knome> right
[11:25] <bluesabre> probably toolkits handle it so most apps get it by default
[11:25] <bluesabre> and wm is able to connect process id with x window
[11:25] <bluesabre> so yeah, its a group effort
[11:25] <knome> right
[11:26] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/MenuLibreTooltips should be ready for use now.
[11:27] <bluesabre> xfce4-settings pushed to utopic
[11:28] <knome> can you push those to menulibre trunk ^ ? :P
[11:28] <knome> you can then upload a new version for the translation updates only for utopic.
[11:37] <Unit193> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages copy lxpanel and xfce4-power-manager to your PPA.
[11:37] <Unit193> Oh bleh, maybe bluesabre can?
[11:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, Debian lxpanel has --destdir in override_dh_auto_install as the only other package is lxpanel-dbg, Ubuntu added lxpanel-indicator-plugin thus removed the override and used an *install file.  Since then, the -dev package was dropped as all it had was one header file and one pc file and the Ubuntu merge carried over this change, but failed to actually install those files anywhere.
[11:40] <Unit193> ochosi: ^
[11:41] <brainwash> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/4.11.2-0ubuntu1
[11:41] <brainwash> was 02-remove-unused-maximize-button.patch applied upstream?
[11:43] <brainwash> it's a hacky patch for ubuntu, don't think that anyone approved it upstream
[11:43] <brainwash> besides they aren't even aware of it :D
[11:44] <ochosi> brainwash: what do you mean "not even aware of it"? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10910
[11:45] <brainwash> ok, so I'm not aware of my own bug report then
[11:45] <knome> hah.
[11:45] <knome> well done
[11:45] <ochosi> and yeah, afaik it wasn't applied
[11:45] <ochosi> anyway, there is a load of bugreports wrt maximizing, tiling, setting correct flags etc
[11:46] <ochosi> and not really anyone in sight who knows enough about this stuff to decide which patches to apply
[11:46] <brainwash> ali1234 :)
[11:46] <ochosi> and not really anyone in sight who knows enough about this stuff *and is willing* to decide which patches to apply
[11:47] <brainwash> ali1234 knows best how broken xfwm is :D
[11:49] <brainwash> but it's a dev release after all, so pushing experimental patches should be ok
[11:49] <brainwash> and no one complained about it being broken in xubuntu 14.04
[11:50] <Unit193> I've had to disable the compositor.
[11:50] <knome> i don't think it's a huge problem to have the icon either
[11:50] <knome> it's a very small visual annoyance at most.
[11:51] <brainwash> yes, just cosmetic
[11:51] <Unit193> ochosi: So which one are you targetting?  May as well ping now before I go, re lxpanel testing.
[11:51] <knome> i never even realised that before somebody filed the bugreport
[11:52] <knome> and i'm not the person who uses the least time looking at visual bugs ;)
[11:53] <Unit193> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa seems to be the best place, else you'll break daily builds.
[11:54] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i guess you're right about that. so it's actually a packaging problem in the lxde panel?
[11:55] <Unit193> ochosi: Yes, but still wory copying to test since Sean doesn't have lxpanel under his packageset.
[11:55] <ochosi> wory?
[11:56] <Unit193> Worth.
[11:56] <ochosi> or worth?
[11:56] <ochosi> ah
[11:56] <ochosi> :)
[11:57] <ochosi> Unit193: i've sent the copy request, will take a few mins
[11:57] <ochosi> then please ping the lxde folk about testing
[11:57] <ochosi> lunchtime (for real this time)
[11:57] <ochosi> bbl
[11:57] <Unit193> Pinged their Elf y.
[11:58] <ochosi> Unit193: just out of curiosity
[11:58] <ochosi> what channel are those ppl hanging in?
[11:58] <ochosi> i'm only in #lubuntu as there is no -devel
[11:58] <knome> that's stupid BTW ;)
[11:59] <knome> ochosi, you should've gone (for real)
[11:59] <ochosi> and there's hardly interesting stuff going down in #lubuntu
[11:59] <knome> now get out or i'll kick you :)
[11:59] <ochosi> hehe
[11:59] <Unit193> knome, ochosi: Right, except a -devel wouldn't even be used anyway.
[12:00] <knome> no developers? :P
[12:00] <Unit193> gilir.
[12:00] <knome> at least they have plenty of people buzzing *around*
[12:01] <knome> laguna, linx?
[12:01] <Unit193> I randomly submit a branch, and there's artwork people (more than one), but not sure about anything else.
[12:01] <bluesabre> knome: strings pushed, you'll have to wait for lp to sync
[12:01] <Unit193> (Well testers, but that's in email and -quality.)
[12:01] <knome> bluesabre, ta, will do
[12:01] <knome> slickymasterWork, ^
[12:02] <bluesabre> Gotta run, bbl
[12:02] <knome> they seem to be horribly unorganized.
[12:02] <knome> bluesabre, have fun
[12:03] <Unit193> Eh, a little.  There's a QA list and -quality for those things, artwork is done in some voodoo fashion, but it's done as part of the artwork team, development/uploads is all basically gilir.
[14:00] <slickymasterWork> got it knome
[14:44]  * elfy gets pinged on Elf too ...
[14:44] <elfy> ochosi: that tbird thing is design :|
[14:45] <ochosi> thought so
[14:47] <elfy> looks pants ...
[14:56] <slickymasterWork> elfy, on that subject, I add the upstream bug report to https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/1347305
[14:58] <elfy> slickymasterWork: I thought about that - then thought that the chances of anyone actually doing anything were close to nothing so didn't :)
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> elfy: it won't hurt to 'throw the clay to the wall'. Who knows it might stick ;)
[15:00] <elfy> :)
[15:02] <knome> elfy, what TB thing?
[15:02] <knome> oh, *that* thing
[15:02] <knome> i wondered it about too, got a bit annoyed, then decided i'd learn to use it.
[15:02] <knome> now i'm ok with it
[15:06] <elfy> knome: yea - I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something *we'd* done this morning - no I know it's not I'm happy
[15:44] <knome> elfy, hehe
[16:34] <elfy> ochosi: not sure what's going on here - screen's blanking again for no apparent reason that I can see, I've done zilch to that since the other day
[16:35] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-210814-173447.php
[16:35] <ochosi> maybe the desktop file is back because you opened lls again? :)
[16:35] <ochosi> hm, i see, that generally looks good
[16:35] <elfy> it wasn't prior to openin it
[16:35] <ochosi> what does "xset q | grep timeout" say?
[16:35] <elfy> timeout:  600    cycle:  600
[16:36] <elfy> I had no problems with this since I blitzed that file
[16:37] <ochosi> could you move the slider in xfpm back and forth?
[16:37] <ochosi> i mean the blanking slider
[16:37] <ochosi> so that it updates its setting
[16:37] <elfy> obviously got that file back now
[16:37] <ochosi> ah
[16:37] <ochosi> hm
[16:37] <ochosi> that explains it too
[16:37] <elfy> not really
[16:37] <ochosi> i mean it doesn't explain why the file is back, but it explains the blanking
[16:38] <ochosi> or why the power manager and the xserver are out of sync
[16:38] <elfy> the file is back now that I've checked - the file wasn't there prior to looking and screenshotting
[16:38] <elfy> when it was still blanking
[16:38] <ochosi> i see
[16:38] <ochosi> ok, could you change the slider of "blank after" as suggested and then run xset again?
[16:38] <elfy> deleted file - sliding sliders - checking
[16:39] <elfy> and xset is now showing 0 and 0
[16:39] <ochosi> mkay
[16:39] <elfy> mmm
[16:39] <ochosi> so xfpm is working
[16:39] <ochosi> not sure what fiddles with the timeouts
[16:39] <ochosi> you don't use xscreensaver by any chance? :)
[16:40] <elfy> I'm right in the middle of sorting food prior to CC meeting - after that I'll see if I can reproduce
[16:40] <ochosi> sure, i'll be off for the rest of the evening though
[16:40] <elfy> nah - no screensavers here at all
[16:40] <elfy> okey doke - I'll try and remember to give you any findings tomorrow then
[16:41] <ochosi> ok, thanks
[16:53] <elfy> ochosi: won't be at the next meeting I'm afraid
[19:00] <brainwash> ochosi: can I or you mark bug 889394 as invalid now?
[19:01] <brainwash> according to your last comment upstream
[19:46] <Unit193> elfy: Dangit man, was trying not to needlessly.  tasksel got updated too.
[19:46] <elfy> woot
[19:46] <elfy> Unit193: I guess we can move forward on that then - after beta 1
[19:47] <elfy> Unit193: I guessed you'd tried not to ping me :p
[19:47] <elfy> lots of guessing going on
[19:48] <elfy> gives us a week to tie up the testcases for it - or testcase if we just want to test install via one of the methods
[19:49] <Unit193> Yeah, I'd say just the one method.
[19:49] <elfy> I'd go for the tasksel method to test
[19:55] <Unit193> Also, I believe I'm going to RSVP to not be at the meeting. :D
[20:02] <elfy> I'll be driving round in circles
[23:11] <noskcaj-school> Unit193: bluesabre: I was talking to gilir about the xfpm plugin, he's going to make a -dev package for next cycle. I'll try and contact lxde-debian soon
[23:12] <Unit193> noskcaj-school: I know what the problem is for this release and have a test package in xubuntu-staging.  Also contacted LStranger.
[23:12] <noskcaj-school> ok then, i suppose i'll go back to doing school stuff
[23:13] <Unit193> You can send a note anyway though.
[23:14] <Unit193> (make sure I wasn't clear as mud and all, and you have information from gilir.)
[23:40] <bluesabre> hey guys
[23:40] <bluesabre> missed the freeze
[23:56] <Unit193> Depends if the xfpm lxde plugin counts as a bugfix.