[00:18] <crocket> Ubuntu Edge for the winners
[01:33] <linkchen> Hello
[01:43] <ericY> Hi all.
[01:43] <ericY> I just flashed Ubuntu Touch onto my Nexus 4.
[01:44] <ericY> It works, but I can't seem to change my time zone...
[01:44] <ericY> Does anyone have experience with this?
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> ericY, I think you have to chroot in to make any changes.
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> not sure really
[01:45] <ericY> What do you mean by chroot in?
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> ericY, Chroot is getting in to make changes, for example if I wanted to mess with my ubuntu install from a live cd I have to use chroot to access and run the OS.
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> !chroot
[01:47] <ericY> Oh.
[01:48] <ericY> I've chroot'd before, but I'm trying to change the time zone _on the device_
[01:48] <ericY> .
[01:48] <ericY> Do I still need to chroot?
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> ericY, Not sure to be honest, I believe the touch needs one to do much at all, just a guess is all.
[01:49] <ericY> Hrm.
[01:49] <wilee-nilee> I don't know if it is setup like a standard desktop with sudo, or a easy click for that.
[01:49] <ericY> Well, there's an app called "system settings" on the phone.
[01:50] <ericY> And a time zone setting within.
[01:50] <ericY> But when I try to click on a different time zone, nothing happens.
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> been about 2 months since I tried it, so at that time it was to limited and I was on a nexus 7, should be more developed now, probably a wiki with info somewhere.
[01:51] <ericY> Alright, I guess I'll look around.
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> ericY, take a lokksie here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Timezone
[01:52] <ericY> Oh!
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> a ssh
[01:52] <ericY> Thank you so much!
[01:52] <ericY> I can just adb shell into it, right?
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> google is our friend, on a good day. ;)
[01:52] <ericY> Alright, it works!
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> not sure
[01:52] <ericY> Well, adb shell anyway.
[03:40] <Andre_> Hey all
[03:41] <kotux> Hi Andre_
[03:43] <Andre_> Hey, do you have any more information about logging bugs for ubuntu touch? Is Ubuntu touch basically 14.04?
[03:43] <Andre_> I have it set up on my nexus 4 phone
[03:44] <Andre_> and found some strange things...i.e. bugs
[03:46] <kotux> I'm actually not quite sure, sorry. I'm quite new around here too.
[03:47] <Andre_> Cool, I also have so cool UX design ideas that I wanted to share. I hope someone around here could help us.
[03:47] <Andre_> have some*
[03:48] <kotux> haha
[03:59] <Andre_> Just found out that the Nexus "touch" is 13.10
[04:02] <wilee-nilee> Andre_, I believe you can load saucy or the touch
[04:02] <wilee-nilee> touch may be based on the saucy repos as well.
[04:04] <Andre_> I found out in the settings area. It said OS was 13.10
[04:10] <kotux> glad you found it, Andre_ :-) I just restored my Nexus 7 to Ubuntu touch.
[09:40] <w-flo> so.. yay! my flipped desire z port *finally* boots to shell. turns out I should start "sensorservice" not by simply running the sensorservice binary, but rather use "start sensorservice" in the android container. Now I need to figure out why it fails to autostart
[10:00] <user82> does ubuntu touch work with new android 4.3 radio/bootloader on nexus 4?
[10:02] <ogra_>   no
[10:40] <UbuPhillup> hi
[10:40] <UbuPhillup> can i run system-settings in ubuntu desktop?
[10:47] <adas_> hello
[10:47] <ax562> hello
[10:47] <w-flo> hi :)
[10:47] <UbuPhillup> hi
[10:48] <ax562> how's everyone doing?
[10:48]  * UbuPhillup will check if everything is fine translated
[10:49] <w-flo> great! I've just seen the unity8 shell work on my flipped port :)
[10:53] <ax562> w-flo, that's cool.  I'm personally not a big fan.
[10:53] <ax562> I don't have it on 10.10 but have it on 11.04 and meh
[10:54] <w-flo> ax562, a big fan of what?
[10:54] <ax562> unity
[10:54] <w-flo> ax562, oh. Maybe you should try unity in 13.04
[10:54] <w-flo> 11.04 is not supported with security updates any more AFAIK, so you should update to 12.04 at least!
[10:55] <ax562> yeah but my cd drive took a dumb
[10:55] <ax562> dump
[10:55] <ax562> bios doesn't support usb boot
[10:55] <w-flo> oh.. that sucks. you could use the update manager and upgrade via internet though. Just hope it doesn't break anything and you'd have to reinstall.. :)
[10:56] <ax562> yeah that is my issue.  I have 32 bit 11.04 and want 64 bit 12.04LTS
[10:56] <w-flo> without USB boot or a cd drive that's probably difficult.. :(
[10:56] <ax562> but I have duo boot with windows
[10:57] <ax562> yeah imposible to update to 64 bit
[10:57] <ax562> eventually though
[10:57] <ax562> :)
[10:57] <w-flo> :-)
[10:58] <ax562> how is the ubuntu touch front...OK so is it officially called ubuntu os or touch
[11:00] <w-flo> I guess it's "Ubuntu Touch", not sure :D
[11:01] <ax562> lol I just realized this whole time my highest freq table on my overclocked phone was never being used...duh
[11:07] <ax5623> trying out this xchat
[11:07] <ax5623> usually use irssi lol
[11:07] <ax5623> gui can be nice
[11:08] <w-flo> the xchat gui could be nicer though :D
[11:12] <ax5623> well coming from irssi any gui is good
[11:22] <svnindia> hi, is possible to install ubuntu on lumia 520 windows 8 phone
[11:22] <w-flo> svnindia, if cyanogenmod supports that phone. so probably not :(
[11:24] <UbuPhillup> can i run system-settings in ubuntu desktop?
[11:33] <ax5623> anyone remember robot jox?
[11:58] <magemello> Hi
[11:59] <magemello> I'm trying to install ubuntu touch on my iocean x7
[12:00] <magemello> without success
[12:00] <magemello> maybe someone have some advice for me?
[12:04] <w-flo> magemello, so it fails to boot after flashing?
[12:06] <magemello> yes....still start in android
[12:07] <w-flo> are you sure you flashed two zip files?
[12:08] <magemello> no only one
[12:08] <magemello> because the second fail
[12:08] <w-flo> ah, it can't work without the second one
[12:08] <w-flo> why does it fail?
[12:10] <magemello> Before all I changed in the updater-script file the first line to make the script compatible with my phone
[12:12] <magemello> But after that...If I try to install the file I recieve "Installation aborted" error
[12:12] <w-flo> you changed the line that looks like this? assert(getprop("ro.product.device") == "vision" || getprop("ro.build.product") == "vision");
[12:12] <magemello> yes
[12:12] <w-flo> I don't think that's a very good idea.. you need a zip file that was created for your device
[12:14] <magemello> I know but I have not found...and so I decided to use the more similar
[12:14] <magemello> my phone is an Iocean X7 (china phone)
[12:15] <magemello> I think install ubuntu on a low cost phone like this it'is important
[12:15] <w-flo> Unless the phone is *very* similar I don't think it will work like that
[12:16] <magemello> Do you know how I can make an custom Rom for my phone?
[12:16] <w-flo> nope, sorry :( maybe ask the cyanogenmod people if they can help you
[12:17] <magemello> Where I can find them?
[12:18] <w-flo> magemello, no idea :D I guess they have an IRC channel, it's probably mentioned on their web site
[12:19] <magemello> Ok thank you w-flo  ;) I apriciate that
[12:19] <magemello> bye bye
[12:19] <w-flo> bye magemello, good luck!
[12:20] <magemello> Thank you
[13:31] <hexadezimalion> #cyanogenmod
[15:11] <Ragnar105> Busy channel... :P
[15:12] <RobbyF> weekends are slow
[15:13] <k1l> everyone is busy getting drunk and busy with the hangover after that :)
[15:14] <Ragnar105> Fair enough.
[15:16] <Ragnar105> Are notification settings (SMS) not yet working on Mako builds?
[15:16] <Ragnar105> sounds*
[17:19] <kylewooten99> help
[17:30] <kylewooten99> I have aquestion about Porting Ubuntu Touch to HTC DESIRE HD.
[18:58] <Ragnar105> What's the best way to ensure my device is running the latest build?  Can I do update/upgrade from the terminal, or do I need to download new builds and flash them over?
[19:27] <j3r1ch0> Ragnar105: good question, was wondering myself...
[19:28] <j3r1ch0> I was using the images from here in the hope that Daily Build means exactly that: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:30] <j3r1ch0> Am using Nexus4 and am using "adb push" to upload saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip and saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip to the device.
[19:30] <j3r1ch0> Then I installed them using TWRP.
[19:30] <j3r1ch0> (Hope that's the right way...)
[19:32] <Ragnar105> Well, I did the same, but I'm wondering if I'll have to do that every time, or if I can just update as I would with any other ubuntu OS
[19:51] <n-iCe> hello guys is ubuntu finally stable?
[19:51] <n-iCe> for at least the nexus 4?
[19:51] <deiu> define stable :)
[19:52] <n-iCe> all working
[19:52] <deiu> it's stable enough to be used as a normal phone, with some additional advantages of a smartphone (partial WiFi support, data)
[19:53] <deiu> but it's definitely worth flashing, if that's your question
[19:53] <n-iCe> deiu: is there a .zip we can flash with our custom recovery?
[19:55] <deiu> to restore your Android?
[19:55] <deiu> afaik, you can only use the images provided by google
[19:55] <deiu> I never tried with a custom image
[19:55] <n-iCe> no to install ubuntu phone
[19:55] <n-iCe> are you currently using it?
[19:55] <deiu> yup
[19:56] <n-iCe> ok, so all I need is to download all the .img files? for my device?
[19:56] <n-iCe> I mean, I'm here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:56] <deiu> just the most recent one :)
[19:56] <deiu> 4.3 I think
[19:56] <n-iCe> I have been always flashing roms by flashing a single .zip
[19:56] <n-iCe> where is that zip in here
[19:57] <deiu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Restoring_Android
[19:57] <n-iCe> no no
[19:57] <n-iCe> I don't want to restore
[19:58] <n-iCe> I want to install ubuntu os
[19:58] <deiu> ah
[19:59] <deiu> then read above :)
[19:59] <deiu> Step 4
[20:03] <n-iCe> Device detected as /sbin/sh: getprop: not found
[20:03] <n-iCe> Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[20:03] <n-iCe> When working on flipped images, detection does not work and would require -d
[20:05] <n-iCe> what's that deiu
[20:07] <Tragyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Flashing_the_device
[20:09] <n-iCe> so all I need is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130726.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[20:09] <n-iCe> right?
[20:10] <Tragyn> Errr, nowhere in what I just posted is that stated at all.  There are steps you can follow.
[20:11] <n-iCe> phablet-flash is just downloading the file I posted above
[20:12] <n-iCe> so if you think, you can just download the file and flash it with twrp or cwm
[20:12] <n-iCe> should work
[20:13] <Tragyn> You need that file as well as this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130726.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip
[20:13] <Tragyn> Flash the device zip (mako) then the armhf
[20:15] <n-iCe> thanks, I did the phablet-flash -b command
[20:15] <n-iCe> should do it all right?
[20:15] <Tragyn> Yeah that should handle everything.  Hopefully you've already done a backup.
[20:16] <n-iCe> I wipe all
[20:16] <n-iCe> No backup needed, nothing to save
[20:16] <n-iCe> Tragyn: does it connect to play store?
[20:16] <Tragyn> Once you've run that command it'll go through the whole installation process and boot to unity.
[20:16] <Tragyn> No, as it's not Android, it's Ubuntu...
[20:16] <n-iCe> ok
[20:17] <n-iCe> where can I check all the ubuntu apps?
[20:17] <Tragyn> They're on the phone already.  There are 12 core apps, and right now that's all that's available for your phone.
[20:17] <Tragyn> Unless you build your own. ;;)
[20:17] <n-iCe> ooh
[20:17] <n-iCe> so there is no app store
[20:17] <n-iCe> so I will not have whatsapp?
[20:18] <Tragyn> No...the Ubuntu Phone OS is still very new, in Alpha dev stage, so there's little available.
[20:18] <Tragyn> In its current state, only basic functionality exists.
[20:18] <n-iCe> damn, I really need whatsapp
[20:18] <Tragyn> Then this isn't the OS for you, yet.
[20:18] <Tragyn> Should have done some more research before installing an Alpha stage OS. ;)
[20:18] <Tassadar_> I think there is whatsapp already
[20:19] <Tassadar_> it's called...dammit, I don't know, but I saw people talking about it
[20:19] <n-iCe> I can always go back to android
[20:19] <j3r1ch0> How about OpenWhatsApp? That was a Qt build, no?
[20:19] <n-iCe> whosthere ? Tragyn
[20:19] <n-iCe> Tassadar_: ?
[20:20] <Tassadar_> yeah
[20:20] <Tragyn> Well, maybe someone else knows more than I do, but I don't think the app is available for Phone OS
[20:21] <n-iCe> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00658.html
[20:21] <n-iCe> seems it is
[20:21] <Tragyn> Hmm...interesting.
[20:22] <n-iCe> 5m and the zip is downloaded
[20:22] <n-iCe> what device you got guys
[20:22] <Tragyn> Nexus 4
[20:23] <n-iCe> Tragyn: good, me too.
[20:23] <n-iCe> why not android?
[20:23] <Tragyn> Why am I not using Android?
[20:23] <n-iCe> yeah
[20:23] <Tragyn> I like to try new things.  I like the idea of a different approach to the UI.
[20:23] <n-iCe> but you are not that a social user right?
[20:24] <n-iCe> I mean is twitter facebook instagram foursquare at least working?
[20:24] <n-iCe> even G+
[20:24] <Tragyn> Technically Twitter and Facebook as far as I've noticed, but I think they're just webkit
[20:24] <n-iCe> but you can't use instagram webkit
[20:24] <n-iCe> why is people not developing apps?
[20:25] <Tragyn> Well, they are...like I said, though, is still very new.
[20:25] <Tragyn> Once it's ready for an official release candidate, it'll support more apps.
[20:25] <n-iCe> ok
[20:25] <n-iCe> 30 seconds
[20:26] <n-iCe> downloading new .zip
[20:26] <n-iCe> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130726.1/saucy-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img
[20:26] <n-iCe> just like you said
[20:29] <n-iCe> Tragyn: where are you from
[20:29] <Tragyn> Canada.
[20:29] <n-iCe> Do you code?
[20:29] <Tragyn> Nope./
[20:29] <n-iCe> Where in Cánada
[20:29] <Tragyn> Ontario
[20:29] <n-iCe> I lived in Montreal/Quebec/Ottawa for 6 months
[20:29] <n-iCe> I'm from México
[20:30] <Tragyn> Ah, cool.
[20:30] <n-iCe> loved it, but they are French native speakers
[20:30] <n-iCe> they kinda don't like english native speakers, so I need to use spanish before english so they won't hate me haha
[20:30] <n-iCe> is there an off topic channel?
[20:35] <n-iCe> 30 seconds
[20:36] <n-iCe> done, downloaded.
[20:37] <n-iCe> oh come one, another file
[20:40] <n-iCe> booting UBUNTU OS
[20:42] <n-iCe> Tragyn: still here?
[20:43] <Tragyn> Yep.
[20:43] <n-iCe> Tragyn: you have any trouble with colors?
[20:44] <Tragyn> I don't think so.
[20:44] <n-iCe> black seems to be red for me
[20:44] <n-iCe> kinda red
[20:44] <n-iCe> it is installing the os I guess, but black seems kinda red
[20:45] <Tragyn> Hmm, no idea.
[20:56] <n-iCe> how do I go back Tragyn
[20:57] <Tragyn> Back in the OS?  Depends on where you are.
[20:57] <Tragyn> In an app you can swipe up from the bottom edge and press "back"
[20:58] <n-iCe> the whole os is slow
[20:58] <n-iCe> and buggy
[20:59] <Tragyn> Yes, it is...
[20:59] <Tragyn> That's why it's in Alpha dev stage...what did you expect?
[21:00] <n-iCe> when did the os was released?
[21:00] <Tragyn> It wasn't released.
[21:00] <Tragyn> The alpha preview for developers was released a month or two ago
[21:00] <Tragyn> It's not officially available unit October..
[21:01] <Tragyn> until*
[21:36] <lopuhtc> Hi, anybody there?
[21:36] <lopuhtc> Just wanted to ask about ubuntu dev for the htc one m7
[23:35] <jalt> is it a problem if it says secure boot is enabled when i try to install ubuntu touch on the nexus 4?


[12:11] <benji> frankban and gmb: do you guys have a slave going that I can use or should I start my own
[13:06] <gmb> No gary today?
[13:09] <benji> gmb: he was pretty sick yesterday afternoon, so I guess not
[13:09] <gmb> Ah, right.
[13:09] <gmb> :/
[13:10] <benji> gmb and frankban: https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/goldenhorde
[13:10] <gmb> Yarp
[13:39] <gary_poster> benji, frankban, gmb, hi.  I have a pretty nasty stomach issue.  I haven't had anything except water since yesterday morning.    I think I'm getting better, though I'm definitely not out of the woods yet.  I saw that benji's branch landed, which is great.  frankban is doing good stuff on lpsetup.  gmb, what's up with you?  Did Spamap
[13:39] <gary_poster> S ask for a lot of changes?  I have a juju instance from yesterday that I'll try to get a full test run from if I can.  That's all I'm really hoping for from myself tbh
[13:40] <gmb> gary_poster, He asked for tests, which I'm working on. Should be done this afternoon. You get better.
[13:40] <gary_poster> Thanks gmb
[13:43] <gary_poster> I'm heading off again.  I probably will check mail now and then, so write me if you need to.
[14:46] <gmb> Yay, weird, non-deterministic ordering! Always fun.
[14:46]  * gmb fixes


[00:36] <mattwj2002> hello all
[00:36] <mattwj2002> :)
[00:36] <mattwj2002> I have ubuntu mate installed on my new server :D
[00:37] <mattwj2002> it is not a production server or anything...just a home server I am playing with
[00:43] <mattwj2002> I have a wierd issue though
[00:43] <mattwj2002> I can't set the resolution above 640x480
[00:44] <mattwj2002> any ideas?
[00:44] <mattwj2002> :)
[01:22] <JewLies> Adolf Hitler - "You Said I Was A Dreamer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGqG3grTrg
[02:37] <leonsant> Hello guys:)
[02:38] <mattwj2002> hey leonsant
[02:40] <leonsant> I've just installed ubuntu mate on Raspberry PI 3. I am having that load kernel module error ... I just did a full update and all packages are up to date. Strange is that there seems to be nothing wrong with the system. I had an error message about wlan already existing or something like that but everything seems fine when I do a startx.
[02:40] <edve> Sup man
[02:41] <TheMariuz> leonsant, i think raspberry needs rasbian
[02:41] <edve> Pastebin the /var/log
[02:41] <TheMariuz> leonsant, a distro spec for the raspberry
[02:41] <edve> No. Ubuntu mate supports it
[02:41] <TheMariuz> humm k
[02:42] <mattwj2002> he is right
[02:42] <mattwj2002> that is how I found out about ubuntu mate actually
[02:43] <edve> Yeah it is running super flawlessly
[02:44] <TheMariuz> not for everyone obiously
[02:45] <TheMariuz> if the rasberry go for a 2-4gb ram and faster processor in next release im getting one for my camper
[02:47] <mattwj2002> TheMariuz: for what purpose?
[02:47] <mattwj2002> :)
[02:48] <mattwj2002> what would you use it for in a camper?
[02:48] <TheMariuz> as a general use computer for watching netflix etc
[02:48] <mattwj2002> got ya
[02:48] <TheMariuz> its solar in it
[02:48] <TheMariuz> freecamp camper
[02:49] <mattwj2002> I don't know if you could do netflix on a rpi
[02:49] <TheMariuz> so a low power computer glued to the back of the tv would be nice
[02:49] <TheMariuz> not current models i think.. future though
[02:49] <TheMariuz> i use phone or my surface pro in it
[02:50] <TheMariuz> 22" led tv with a chromecast
[02:50] <TheMariuz> and wireless net
[02:50] <mattwj2002> neat
[02:50] <TheMariuz> indeed
[02:51] <TheMariuz> gas heating for hotwater is getting installed now too
[02:51] <TheMariuz> which means i can park anywhere, have 3 powersources (gas solar or regular grid), hotwater, shower, cook, tv and inet
[02:52] <TheMariuz> however i dont have a computer perm installed in it yet
[02:53] <TheMariuz> surface pro works but a even lower wattage raspberry would be perfect
[02:53] <leonsant> Unfortunately I will have to drop my connection ..- but just to share with you guys ... I managed to video stream from a VLC running on a windows PC via HTTP and I was quite impressed with the performance.
[02:54] <leonsant> I also have a chromecast and I only have good results when I share a chrome browser tab.
[02:54] <TheMariuz> chromecast is brilliant
[02:55] <edve> I would recommand another soft for streaming on the PI though
[02:55] <leonsant> Sharing the whole screen doesn't work very well to me. I cannot get a good performance with that unless I decrease the resolution.
[02:55] <edve> Kodi (xbmc)
[02:55] <leonsant> Have any of you guys tried to compile Acestream on Ubuntu mate ? :)
[02:56] <leonsant> I would like to try that :)
[02:56] <TheMariuz> edve, im waiting with a raspberry until its actually a descent performing regular computer
[02:57] <TheMariuz> i see no need... my mobile phone works fine with the chromecast
[02:57] <mattwj2002> rpi is a descent for $35
[02:57] <mattwj2002> :)
[02:57] <leonsant> Sorry, guys ... need to go. I'll try to check on the logs later ...
[02:57] <TheMariuz> its $35 i dont need to pay hwen i have an android phone
[02:57] <leonsant> Thanks for the replies
[02:58] <edve> Right on man
[02:58] <leonsant> :)
[02:58] <mattwj2002> bye leonsant
[02:58] <edve> Well the PI can do multipls things the phone cant
[02:58] <TheMariuz> key things here are streaming online services like youtube and netflix
[02:58] <TheMariuz> surfing maybe and chatting but thats secondary
[02:59] <edve> Each of them have their pros &cons
[02:59] <TheMariuz> phones such for the latter which is why i sometimes use the surface pro
[02:59] <TheMariuz> suck
[03:00] <TheMariuz> however it would be nice to be able to just leave it here
[03:04] <edve> which version of the surface pro you have
[03:05] <TheMariuz> 3
[03:05] <edve> which CPU ?
[03:05] <TheMariuz> i5
[03:05] <TheMariuz> i think its 2 years old now
[03:05] <edve> That's the one I was supposed to get , but I wanted to wait for the next gen
[03:06] <edve> Yeah , it's probably one of the best series they made so far
[03:06] <TheMariuz> its nice, i cant see why id pick pro 4
[03:07] <TheMariuz> one thats fanless would be even nicer
[03:07] <TheMariuz> other than that, im happy with this one
[03:07] <edve> Yeah that's a nice hardware that you have there.
[03:08] <edve> Only con is that it is locked to Win OS right ?
[03:08] <TheMariuz> only in theory
[03:08] <TheMariuz> you can disable .. whats it called again
[03:08] <TheMariuz> UEFI
[03:08] <edve> UEFI
[03:08] <edve> yeah
[03:09] <edve> that's dope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRH-c2_kDA4
[03:09] <edve> it looks pretty decent
[03:09] <TheMariuz> they do run ubuntu on this but i havent bothered, for now i run mint on the desktop, win on this
[03:11] <TheMariuz> its sort of designed for windows
[03:13] <TheMariuz> you see he has keyboard issues
[03:13] <TheMariuz> it uses a magnetic keyboard that i take on/off all the time
[03:13] <edve> Yeah , maybe there is a fix for that though, it's a long timed video
[03:13] <TheMariuz> desktop is fine for linux but ive dropped it on this
[03:16] <TheMariuz> well you should look into a surface pro 3 ... you might do a good deal on it now
[03:18] <TheMariuz> i paid around $1000 when i bought it a couple of years ago
[03:41] <edve> Yeah well im more used with a laptop anyhow. I had a little tablet and unfortunatly it wasnt enough
[03:49] <TheMariuz> this is a laptop wrapped into a tablet
[03:50] <TheMariuz> same screensize etc as a descent tablet... i find it more comfy to use
[03:54] <TheMariuz> i ment ofcourse laptop
[03:54] <TheMariuz> tablets <3
[03:55] <TheMariuz> i use it in bed too, cant beat a tablet there
[03:56] <edve> Yeah i have to admit , but i'm more on my cellphone if the space is restraint :p
[05:12] <angeldeathx> hi
[06:51] <sacha> hello
[06:59] <alexrb1000> l ubuntu
[06:59] <alexrb1000> how do i uninstll ubuntu
[08:03] <g1ng3k1k3l> test
[09:12] <matze_> Servus Gemeinde jemand aus DE ???
[09:13] <matze_> Bin neu hier -:)
[13:03] <zhouyu_> hello
[14:04] <ubuntu-mate> bonjour, nouveau ici, doit on enregistrer un pseudo et comment ?
[14:13] <ubuntu-mate> Trying to upgrade from an older Ubuntu to the 16.04 release, the lack of place on my PC then the slowlyness or locking of the upgrade make me stop the process in the night (02h30)!?  ...  Without knowing the state of the upgrade, When I try to start, I have no more access to the graphical user interface !?  Could someone help me to resynchronize ?
[14:16] <ubuntu-mate> Hello, Following my french request above, "as a newone here, should I record some pseudo ," ... to follow our related question-answers ?
[15:42] <Electricboy207> hey
[15:43] <Electricboy207> anyone here?
[15:45] <Electricboy207> im installing mate rn
[15:50] <masnell> And they quit as I am about to respond...
[15:54] <masnell> @ubuntu-mate: give me 5min. Checking a guide to confirm it's relevance to your situation
[15:58] <masnell> @ubuntu-mate you can try starting the upgrade again from the terminal with >sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:59] <masnell> There is a lot of info in the following post about fixing missing packages and other issues that could be useful ; https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-update-guide/629
[16:01] <masnell> After the half way mark there is a section “Broken Upgrade or Installation"
[16:05] <masnell> If you get specific error messages from the  do-release-upgrade or the apt-get commands, report them back here and ppl who see and hv specific knowledge will try to help - just be patient as many ppl check in randomly to help when they can
[16:06] <masnell> It's past midnight for me, so I will disappear at some stage
[16:33] <ubuntu-mate> Hello Masnell, what should I prefer, as I update from 14.04 to 16.04 ( not sure Mate ? ) :
[16:33] <ubuntu-mate> < 1 > from the terminal with >sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:34] <ubuntu-mate> < 2 > else ... sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:34] <ubuntu-mate> < 2+ > followed by :  sudo apt-get install -f
[16:37] <ubuntu-mate> Hello  Masnell, I forget previously ...  Thank you very much for your help ... from Paris
[16:45] <ubuntu-mate> Hello, I will come back soon, just after trying to finish my install, if someone thinks to some new advice ?  Regards
[16:52] <cristian_> hello
[16:54] <cristian_> there is someone that can help me with a problem in ubuntumate, whem a try to reproduce a video or just music is farter that usual
[17:10] <laurange> Hi
[17:11] <laurange> I successfully installed mate on a HP stream 14 with AMD chip; only the Blutooth is missing
[17:31] <ubuntu-mate> Hello, Is there someone that could help me to reconnect to my previous NickName ubuntu-mate session ?
[17:33] <ubuntu-mate> I have failed again with my upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04.
[17:33] <ubuntu-mate> I have tried to follow "Broken Upgrade or Installation:" from "https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-update-guide/629"
[17:34] <ubuntu-mate> But I stopped it, unknowing if It was risking or not to delete my previous home directories !?
[17:45] <mate|5885> hi
[17:46] <ubuntu-mate> And I start unsuccessfully with sudo do-release-upgrade ...  adviced initially here
[17:49] <ubuntu-mate> Could you advice me if I could start again with "sudo dpkg --configure -a" unriskly ?
[17:52] <ubuntu-mate> for my home directories ...
[20:09] <leo__> hi?
[21:42] <net> yo


[23:22] <ikonia> you still want X11 - so why not just install the desktop version, it's already done, working and setup for you
[23:23] <ikonia> you can still login to the desktop with putty
[23:23] <k1l> Mega1: of course that is not a unimportant info.
[23:23] <k1l> so cou need a cli tool to extend then partition
[23:23] <Mega1> hd is full
[23:23] <ikonia> you're doing this just to extend a partition ?
[23:24] <Mega1> need to do a update and the hd is full
[23:25] <ikonia> so either a.) use parted to re-size the disk or b.) even better, boot from a livecd and re-size the partition
[23:25] <ikonia> why are you messing around trying to setup X
[23:25] <ikonia> more so if your disk is full
[23:25] <hitsujiTMO> Mega1: can you pastebin the output of: sudo fdisk -l && du -h
[23:25] <k1l> ikonia: we suggested to use gparted not knowing he was on server
[23:25] <she_dyed> lordy backaswards
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> k1l: he'd still need to use gparted from a live cd, not the installed system
[23:26] <ikonia> so perhaps he should say "I don't have X11 - I'm on a server" rather than trying to install things to a full disk
[23:26] <Cyrus_Virus> Snap dizzle my nizzle
[23:26] <ikonia> Cyrus_Virus: no need for pointless comments
[23:26] <Cyrus_Virus> Yes sir
[23:26] <ikonia> thanks
[23:26] <k1l> hitsujiTMO: right. i am even more confused right now what the setup there is
[23:27] <tophyr> JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/ java -version           -----> java version "1.6.0_27".... 0_o
[23:27] <ikonia> java_home is not the path to the binary
[23:28] <Mega1> login as: gordon
[23:28] <Mega1><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[23:28] <Mega1> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-35-generic-pae i686)
[23:28] <Mega1>  * Documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com/
[23:28] <Mega1>   System information as of Tue Feb 11 23:21:28 GMT 2014
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> tophyr: ls -l `which java`
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> !paste | mega1
[23:28] <Mega1> sorry
[23:28] <T1960CT> Hey hitsujiTMO
[23:29] <tophyr> ikonia hitsujiTMO aside from re-linking that.. is there a way to make 'java' point to the correct one, on demand? i don't want to change java versions for the entire system (or even for my entire session), i just want to run a particular command on openjdk7 instead of sunjdk 6
[23:30] <ikonia> tophyr: set JAVA_HOME correctly, or call the correct java binary
[23:30] <ikonia> tophyr: it's that simple and it's specific to your session
[23:30] <tophyr> was i not setting the home correctly in the above?
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> tophyr: check the update alternatives bit from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[23:30] <ikonia> that is system wide
[23:30] <ikonia> which he's just said he didn't want to do
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> ikonia: ahh, missed that bit. woops
[23:32] <lickalott> gents, trying to connect to a samba shared printer off of a windows computer (printer is connected via usb).  I can see it and connect to it but when i try to print it tells me that it's "holding for authentication".  It also says Idle - Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED).  I've ensured that it's shared out.  i even went as far as to make an account just for me on the windows box.  Anyone got any advice/assistance for me?
[23:32] <daftykins> lickalott: shared out via what permissions?
[23:33] <ikonia> lickalott: I suspect it's going to be the nt account/group's permissions don't allow you to connect/send to the printer
[23:33] <tophyr> yeah, the machine i'm working on needs specifically the oracle jdk for what its job is.. i'm trying to just get a side project completed on it, and that proj reqs openjdk-7
[23:33] <lickalott> i have everything checked for me daftykins
[23:33] <duhj> Could someone help me get grub to recognize windows 8.1 on a second hard drive from the drive I am using ubuntu from.
[23:33] <daftykins> lickalott: what do you mean?
[23:33] <daftykins> oh as in permissions, right
[23:34] <lickalott> printing, manage print jobs, manage printer etc...
[23:34] <lickalott> ikonia, how do I change that?  gpedit?
[23:34] <Dark_Arcana> hitsujiTMO, This is Arcanis_
[23:34] <ikonia> lickalott: you'd need someone who' on top of windows permissions
[23:34] <lickalott> it works fine from windows btw.  I simply type \\IPaddress then connect to the printer
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: whats the output of: dpkg --get-selections | grep grub
[23:35] <Dark_Arcana> hitsujiTMO, I was able to fix the problem. I installed root-system-bin
[23:35] <lickalott> my account is an admin account
[23:35] <Dark_Arcana> hitsujiTMO, then I could remove nvidia-prime and it booted fine. Thanks for the help.
[23:35] <lickalott> printers are my kryptonite
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> !yay | Dark_Arcana
[23:35] <tophyr> ikonia: was i not setting the java_home correctly above? or will that java_home method simply not work in ubuntu? i'm not running java directly, so passing -jamvm won't work either.
[23:35] <Dark_Arcana> Yay :D
[23:35] <Dark_Arcana> Everyone in here have a good one! Back to learning more about how linux works. I'm trying to get rid of Windows... this is so much better.
[23:36] <tophyr> perhaps i made this up but i was under the impression that 'JAVA_HOME=<wherever> <some_command>' would run <some_command> and all its children in whichever JDK was directly specified.
[23:37] <daftykins> lickalott: under the actual windows printer share, did you explicitly add your user under security? on the ubuntu system, did you install samba and create a password for your user the same as on the windows system via smbpasswd?
[23:38] <duhj> hitsujiTMO: grub-common					install
[23:38] <duhj> grub-efi-amd64					install
[23:38] <duhj> grub-efi-amd64-bin				install
[23:38] <duhj> grub-efi-amd64-signed				install
[23:38] <duhj> grub2-common					install
[23:38] <Guest80941> help add or change from ubuntu to xubuntu?
[23:38] <TJ-> Zooklubba: Are you still about?
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: can you pastebin the output of: os-prober
[23:40] <ikonia> tophyr: java_home is just a variable
[23:40] <Beldar> nineball, You can have bothe desktops installed.
[23:40] <Beldar> both*
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: sorry, that should be: sudo os-prober
[23:42] <nineball> no
[23:42] <funky> hey folks, whats the easy way to enable remove desktop in ubuntu via CLI?
[23:43] <nineball> just upgrade to 12.4 do not like the set up
[23:43] <nineball> from an old 9.10
[23:44] <Beldar> !details | nineball all in one post
[23:45] <nineball> ok sorry need help installing from ubuntu to xubuntu
[23:45] <duhj> hitsujiTMO: I am getting no output from sudo os-prober
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: ok then. can you pastebin the output of: sudo fdisk -l                                   and please use paste.ubuntu.com
[23:46] <nineball> found it in ubuntu software center sorry and thanks
[23:47] <nineball> do i need to restart computer ?
[23:48] <k1l> nineball: just log out
[23:48] <k1l> and then choose xubuntu on the login screen
[23:48] <nineball> thank you k11
[23:49] <phuh> nineball: you're very welcome
[23:49] <nineball> how do i run a windows only program that is free?
[23:50] <k1l> !wine | nineball
[23:50] <duhj> hitsujiTMO: ubuntu pastebin doesn't seem to be working but here:http://pastebin.com/vFGVgPq9
[23:50] <Mega1> the paste.ubuntu.com is not working for me
[23:52] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: your windows is installed as a bios/legacy install, where you've installed ubuntu in uefi mode. this is why ubuntu can't see windows. you need to install them both as uefi, or both as bias/legacy
[23:52] <Mega1> the first line is /dev/mapper/Techno-root  33281840 12006372  19584844  39% /
[23:52] <Mega1> second is udev                      1021228        4   1021224   1% /dev
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> Mega1: use pastebin.com or another  alternative then
[23:53] <nineball> k11 thanks
[23:53] <Mega1> past bin not working
[23:54] <duhj> hitsujiTMO: Thankyou. WAsn't even aware that was a thing. I don't remember having any options of installing UEFI when i installed windows what would that look like?
[23:56] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: did you install windows from usb? you prob had the usb formatted as ntfs which cannot be booted by uefi and therefore forces legacy mode
[23:58] <hitsujiTMO> duhj: to boot uefi you must boot from fat12/16/32 for non ro-fs
[23:59] <nineball> help setting up a cannon wifi printer?


[04:30] <rockstar> mwhudson, around you around to take a branch?
[04:30] <rockstar> Er, take==review
[04:30] <mwhudson> rockstar: hmm, maybe
[04:31] <mwhudson> rockstar: how big?
[04:31] <rockstar> mwhudson, it's not very big.  One new method on IBranch.
[04:31] <mwhudson> rockstar: ok then
[04:36] <rockstar> mwhudson, here's the diff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304776/
[04:36] <rockstar> mwhudson, and here's the mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/ibranch-upgrade/+merge/14201
[04:40] <mwhudson> rockstar: well that was easy
[04:41] <rockstar> mwhudson, I aim to please.
[04:42] <rockstar> mwhudson, if I change that assert, I can probably remove the other assert as well, ent?
[04:45] <mwhudson> rockstar: actually, the assert probably won't work as is
[04:45] <mwhudson> rockstar: i think you probably want assertEqual([job], list(getUtility(IBranchUpgradeJobSource).iterReady()))
[04:45] <mwhudson> rockstar: if you can get something like that working then yes, you don't need the other assert
[09:21] <wgrant> noodles775, al-maisan: Can I grab one of you to look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bpr-ddeb_package-db/+merge/14008?
[09:22] <al-maisan> hello wgrant, is it something that needs to land today?
[09:22] <al-maisan> It's Friday of week 3 :P
[09:22] <noodles775> wgrant: debug_package +1
[09:23] <wgrant> noodles775: OK. I was following bigjools' advice with ddeb_package.
[09:23] <noodles775> wgrant: although, I'm guessing Julian would agree with your original name...
[09:23] <noodles775> wgrant: yes, exactly
[09:23] <wgrant> al-maisan: Hm, forgot it was that late, sorry.
[09:24] <al-maisan> wgrant: no problem .. it is just that I really need to land 2 branches myself today.
[09:24] <noodles775> wgrant: so although i'd prefer debug_package, I think we can assume that julian would go for ddeb_package, but if it doesn't need to land now, he'll be around next week to confirm.
[09:24] <wgrant> noodles775: It doesn't need to land this cycle, as the rest won't.
[09:25] <wgrant> So I guess I shall confirm with him.
[09:25] <wgrant> Sorry for the noise.
[09:32] <al-maisan> hello adeuring, I am in dire need of a review (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~al-maisan/launchpad/newuris-399186/+merge/14204)
[09:32] <al-maisan> would you be willing to look at the branch above?
[09:32] <adeuring> al-maisan: review just done :) r=me
[09:33] <al-maisan> adeuring: thanks .. but this another branch :P https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~al-maisan/launchpad/newuris-399186/+merge/14204
[09:33] <adeuring> al-maisan: Ah, i'll look at it
[09:34]  * al-maisan sends virual cookies to adeuring
[09:34] <al-maisan> *virtual
[09:39] <adeuring> al-maisan: could you add a doc string for the new method traverse() (diff line 21)
[09:40] <al-maisan> adeuring: will do.
[09:52] <adeuring> al-maisan: in ArchivePermissionSet._nameToPackageSet() you are using ubuntu.currentseries as the series. Is there no use case where this method should search for a package in another series?
[09:52] <adeuring> ...i mean search for a pkg set
[09:53] <al-maisan> adeuring: the "problem" here is that the user only specified a package set *name* which is not enough to find a package set
[09:53] <adeuring> al-maisan: right.
[09:53] <al-maisan> in other cases where the user does not specify the distro series for the package set we use `currentseries` as a default
[09:54] <al-maisan> using it here is hence consistent with the rest of the package set API
[09:55] <al-maisan> if they want a package set in a different series they can pass in a `IPackageset` instance as opposed to a name
[09:55] <adeuring> al-maisan: Ah, now I undertsnd! thanks
[09:55] <al-maisan> in which case there is no need to second guess their intentions :)
[09:55] <al-maisan> yup
[10:00] <BjornT_> adeuring: could you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjornt/launchpad/windmill-more-problems/+merge/14172? i didn't add it to the irc topic yesterday, since i wouldn't be around for the review. but if i would have added it, i would have been first in the queue :)
[10:00] <adeuring> BjornT_: sure
[10:01] <BjornT_> thanks. it should be quite quick, it's only changes to tests
[10:05] <adeuring> al-maisan: s/aleady/already/ in the added tests.
[10:05] <adeuring> al-maisan: r=me
[10:05] <al-maisan> adeuring: thanks! Will fix that.
[10:06] <al-maisan> that = typo
[11:17] <danilos> henninge, jtv: anyone of you have time to take a look at my branch for #459132 (350 lines)?
[11:17] <mup> Bug #459132: Clean up existing untranslated credits messages <Launchpad Translations:In Progress by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/459132>
[11:17] <jtv> danilos: I don't, sorry!
[11:18] <danilos> jtv, ok, that's a shame :) let's see if henning does or will I have to go for a slot in the queue :)
[11:18] <henninge> danilos: will look,  if you look at mine ;-)
[11:18] <jtv> danilos: queue's pretty full, so I'd take henning's offer :)
[11:18] <danilos> henninge, sounds good, diff line for line :)
[11:19] <danilos> jtv, it's not like I haven't noticed :)
[11:19] <jtv> that's why you asked in the first place... got it.
[11:21] <henninge> danilos: although I am liable to drop out at any time ... ;-)
[11:21] <henninge> danilos: here is my mp, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-461756/+merge/14211
[11:21] <danilos> henninge, mine is at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-459132/+merge/14210
[11:21] <henninge> I was about to ask ...
[11:24] <danilos> henninge, just one question about yours: is there a reason not to default to ordered_by_names=True?
[11:25] <henninge> danilos: the risk of breaking other code/tests. That is the only reason.
[11:25] <henninge> backward compatibility
[11:25] <danilos> henninge, right, it'd be nice to see how much stuff breaks, but not that important right now
[11:26] <danilos> henninge, it looks good, a very nice branch, r=danilo :)
[11:26] <henninge> danilos: thank you
[11:28] <danilos> henninge, judging by the complexity of our branches here, I'd say you didn't get the better of it :)
[11:29] <henninge> danilos: I wasn't expecting that ... :-/
[11:33] <danilos> henninge, it's not too bad I hope :)
[11:36] <adeuring> leonardr: I see that you are in the review queue but i can't find any MP from you
[11:36] <leonardr> adeuring: i'll look it up
[11:36] <leonardr> you probably dont' see it because it's a launchpadlib branch
[11:36] <leonardr> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/trusted-workflow-tests
[11:37] <leonardr> er, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/trusted-workflow-tests/+merge/14167
[11:38] <adeuring> topic on call: adeuring || reviewing: leonardr || queue: [maxb] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[11:39] <henninge> danilos: no, it's fine. After all, I am familiar with the stuff.
[11:40] <henninge> danilos: I see you use the storm "In" operator in pofile.py. I had tried to use it in potemplate.py which your branch touches, too.
[11:41] <henninge> danilos: it didn't work some how. You left the sql code in there (line 85), did you try to use storm In here, too?
[11:41] <danilos> henninge, I haven't tried, most likely
[11:42] <danilos> henninge, I can try it and it should probably work
[11:43] <henninge> danilos: would be nice. I cannot remember why I couldn't get it to work.
[11:44] <danilos> henninge, right, I'm trying it out
[11:44] <danilos> henninge, doesn't work for me either: "NameError: global name 'In' is not defined" :) ok, ok, I'll add an import as well :)
[11:45] <danilos> henninge, doc/potemplate.txt passes if I use In() there
[11:46] <danilos> henninge, http://paste.ubuntu.com/304971/
[11:47] <henninge> danilos: also plase fix the docstrig for CreditsFixer which was copied from the statistics script.
[11:48] <henninge> danilos: very nice, thank you
[11:48] <danilos> henninge, how could you tell? :)
[11:49] <henninge> :)
[11:52] <adeuring> leonardr: you are raising RequestTokenAlreadyAuthorized(self.message(self.NONEXISTENT_REQUEST_TOKEN) -- the combintaion of parameter name/content and the exception name looks a bit odd ;) What about using TokenAuthorizationException?
[11:53] <leonardr> adeuring: ok. the most likely reason the token woudln't exist is that it had already been authorized and exchanged
[11:53] <leonardr> i'm actually thinking of using TokenAuthorizationException for everything
[11:53] <leonardr> i don't know if i need all those exception types
[11:55] <adeuring> leonardr: OK, could you either add a comment to the existing variant or switch to TokenAuthorizationException ?
[11:55] <leonardr> i will either switch to TAE or create a new kind of exception
[11:55] <henninge> danilos: your tests in test_potmsgset.py don't need to call setTranslationCreditsToTranslated explicitely because it is called implicitely now when the POTMsgSet is created.
[11:59] <salgado> adeuring, are you reviewing any of the branches from the queue?
[11:59] <danilos> henninge, right, which means that the test is a bit flakey; how would I test that with the existing data, when there already is a translator-credits message with diverged, imported, current translation, it works correctly?
[12:00] <adeuring> salgado: yes; acutally, I'm reviewing leonard's branch, and reviewed maxb's branch already...
[12:00] <danilos> henninge, i.e. how do I work around that feature of the POTMsgSet creation to be able to test with data as it exists today in LP
[12:00] <adeuring> on call: adeuring,salgado || reviewing: leonardr || queue: [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[12:01] <henninge> danilos: yeah, it would require a flag all the way down to where the POTMsgSet is created to *not* add the dummy translation.
[12:01] <adeuring> leonardr: a suggestion: you are showing several messages with a simple "print message". Would it make sense to mode the print statement into its own method showMessage() so that people who write GUI client have a single method they need to oberload?
[12:02] <adeuring> s/mode/move/
[12:02] <henninge> danilos: you could add that flag and remove it later once the script has run.
[12:02] <henninge> danilos: is there no relvant case in the test data?
[12:02] <leonardr> adeuring: i do that in the next branch
[12:02] <maxb> adeuring: thanks - will you take care of PQMing it for me?
[12:02] <adeuring> leonardr: ok, cool
[12:02] <danilos> henninge, there might be, but I hate using sampledata for tests :)
[12:03] <adeuring> maxb: sure, will do that.
[12:03] <henninge> danilos: then we need the flag, which isn't pretty either since it is only transitional.
[12:03] <danilos> henninge, though, in this particular case, that sounds better than a flag
[12:04] <henninge> danilos: I'd say, if there is the right data. Creating new sample data would be dumb, too.
[12:05] <danilos> henninge, of course
[12:05] <henninge> danilos: if you'll excuse me, I have a stand-up call now ... ;-)
[12:06] <salgado> adeuring, can you run 'make check_db_merge' on a pristine devel branch and tell me if it fails?
[12:06] <danilos> henninge, there are 3 translation credits messages in LP, that should do it
[12:06] <danilos> henninge, heh, right :)
[12:06] <adeuring> salgado: just a second...
[12:06] <adeuring> leonardr: r=me
[12:07] <adeuring> on call: adeuring,salgado || reviewing: -,- || queue: [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[12:07] <salgado> adeuring, that's not updating the topic. ;)
[12:08] <adeuring> arghhh
[12:08] <adeuring> net my best day....
[12:14] <salgado> adeuring, did you get around to running that check_db_merge thing?
[12:15] <adeuring> salgado: just ran it: no problems
[12:15] <adeuring> (had to make coffe first...)
[12:15] <salgado> it fails for me on a mainline branch
[12:16] <salgado> I must have a conflict in a sourcecode/ branch or something
[12:19] <intellectronica> adeuring: can you review a patch for me? it's 584, but all removals :)
[12:19] <intellectronica> adeuring: it's the patch for killing the top-level +filebug
[12:20] <adeuring> intellectronica: I'd like to start some work on a small branch myself, so I'd prefer it if you could ask salgado too ...
[12:20] <salgado> sure!  I love removals
[12:20] <intellectronica> adeuring: np
[12:20] <intellectronica> salgado: great! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304994/
[12:21] <salgado> intellectronica, why is it being removed?
[12:22] <intellectronica> salgado: for a long time we thought that it's not really useful, but after changing the workflow for filing ubuntu bugs we needed to do something about filing them from the top-level. we decided that we're just going to kill it
[12:25] <salgado> intellectronica, ok.  and how about the tests removed from 'lib/lp/bugs/stories/guided-filebug/xx-filing-security-bugs.txt'?  are aren't we losing some coverage by removing that?
[12:26] <intellectronica> salgado: no, these tests only cover filing security bugs from the top-level (the test is inappropriately named). filing security bugs from pillar contexts is well covered elsewhere
[12:27] <salgado> intellectronica, cool. r=me then
[12:27] <intellectronica> salgado: thanks!
[13:27] <henninge> danilos: review sent
[13:27] <danilos> henninge, thanks
[13:30] <sinzui> barry:  stand-up in 2 minutes
[14:33] <noodles775> adeuring or salgado: could one of you look at this trivial branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/458200-p3a/+merge/14216
[14:33] <noodles775> it's mostly tests.
[14:34] <adeuring> noodles775: I'm just writing am MP myself; when that's done, I'll look at it.
[14:34] <noodles775> Thanks!
[15:01] <salgado> + self.libraryfile.expires = datetime.utcnow().replace(tzinfo=pytz.utc)
[15:01] <salgado> adeuring, why do you do that instead of "datetime.now(pytz.UTC)"?
[15:03] <adeuring> salgado: this gives an error when the value is dtpred in the DB. I found the replace() call in several places; simply copied it
[15:03] <adeuring> s/dtpred/stored/
[15:04] <salgado> hmm
[15:05] <salgado> that's weird
[15:05] <adeuring> salgado: seems that I was a bit confused... I'll use datetime.now(pytz.utc)
[15:06] <salgado> + >>> libraryfile.expires <= datetime.utcnow().replace(tzinfo=pytz.utc)
[15:06] <salgado> adeuring, you can use that in the test too
[15:06] <adeuring> salgado: right
[15:07] <salgado> and I think pylint is on crack, so there's no need to ignore the warning there
[15:08] <adeuring> salgado: perhaps; so you think I should removed the suppression again, so that we know that we should send pylint to a drug therapy ;)?
[15:09] <salgado> adeuring, that's what I do in these cases, but it might be time for heavier drugs as I've been seeing this for quite some time now
[15:09] <adeuring> salgado: ;) OK, removed f0401
[15:13] <deryck> adeuring or salgado, can I get in queue for a simple lint clean up branch?
[15:13] <adeuring> deryck: sure
[15:14] <adeuring> let me just finish another review
[15:14] <deryck> ok, thanks, adeuring
[15:15] <sinzui> salgado-lunch: adeuring I have written a replacement lint for gedit-developer-plugins (launchpad uses a version of my lint script from 2002). I think I can adapt my 100% script to launchpad. It uses PEP8.py instead of pylint.
[15:16] <adeuring> sinzui: nice idea!
[15:18] <sinzui> adeuring: I meant to say my script is 100% python. it checks python syntax + style, markup (knows about HTML entities), doctests, and plain-text files.
[15:19] <adeuring> sinzui: sounds really good!
[15:19] <sinzui> It is better than good, it is fast
[15:20] <adeuring> noodles775: r=me
[15:22] <noodles775> Thanks adeuring
[15:22] <adeuring> welcome :)
[15:28] <adeuring> deryck: r=me
[15:28] <deryck> adeuring, thanks!
[15:29] <sinzui> adeuring: can you review my blueprint branch?
[15:29] <adeuring> sinzui: sure
[15:29] <sinzui> adeuring: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/sprint-attendence-1
[15:30] <sinzui> ^ I had to write a lot of tests before I could add the new feature because there was nothing veriying the current behaviour.
[16:11] <adeuring> sinzui: r=me
[16:11] <sinzui> thank
[16:20] <sinzui> adeuring: your grammar is correct. My fingers do not like to type suffixes. I type a lot of unconjugated words.
[16:20] <adeuring> sinzui: ;)
[17:34] <leonardr> adeuring or salgado, can one of you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/trusted-workflow-tests-2/+merge/14230 ?
[17:35] <salgado> leonardr, I'll take it
[17:35] <salgado> leonardr, how big is it?
[17:36] <leonardr> salgado: about 600 lines
[17:40] <mrevell> Anyone want to review the what's new branch for 3.1.10? Just text changes. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/launchpad/whatsnew-3110/+merge/14231
[17:41] <mrevell> adeuring, ^^^ ?
[17:41] <adeuring> mrevell: sure
[17:41] <mrevell> thanks adeuring
[17:41] <leonardr> salgado: sorry to run when i have a branch in the queue but i'm really hungry and must go fetch lunch. if you run into a blocker just drop my branch until i get back
[17:42] <salgado> leonardr-afk, sure, no worries
[17:49] <adeuring> mrevell: r=me
[17:50] <mrevell> thanks adeuring!
[18:04] <salgado> leonardr-afk, the diff in your MP has a bunch of conflict markers
[18:04] <salgado> abentley, don't MPs show when there are conflicts anymore?
[18:05] <abentley> salgado: The automatic preview diffs don't record whether there are conflicts.
[18:06] <salgado> abentley, but MPs used to say something like '9 conflicts' in red, at the top, no?
[18:07] <abentley> salgado: That was generated by an external script, "MAD".
[18:07] <salgado> oh, right.  and we don't use that anymore?
[18:08] <abentley> salgado: I'm not sure whether it's still running, but the diffs are being generated by LP now.
[19:19] <leonardr> salgado, the version i'm pushing now has the conflicts resolve
[19:19] <leonardr> d
[19:51] <salgado> leonardr, did your push finish?  I got conflicts when merging your branch
[19:53] <leonardr> salgado: yes, version 77
[19:53] <salgado> leonardr, it doesn't seem to be there: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/trusted-workflow-tests-2
[19:54] <leonardr> ah, the name is different
[19:54] <leonardr> pushing now
[19:55] <leonardr> salgado: try again
[19:55] <leonardr> salgado: the reason the method names are the way they are is that i'm using python naming standards, not launchpad naming standards
[19:56] <salgado> leonardr, right, then it's the other methods that ought to be renamed?
[19:56] <salgado> getSingleCharInput and pressEnterToExit
[20:01] <salgado> leonardr, also, what's the reason for this change:
[20:01] <salgado> -        self.web_root = web_root
[20:01] <salgado> +        self.web_root = uris.lookup_web_root(web_root)
[20:13] <salgado> leonardr?
[20:39] <leonardr> salgado: sorry for delay
[20:39] <leonardr> uris.lookup_web_root() lets you specify "staging" instead of "https://staging.launchpad.net/"


[10:46] <flocculant> morning - are people aware that wily dailies are not working too well since the end of last week? bug 1495017
[10:48]  * darkxst fires my QA team, no one told me about that flocculant , even though I seem comments from some of them on the bug!
[10:49] <flocculant> darkxst: I didn't check your image as I saw comments - so I assume it's an issue for you too
[10:49] <flocculant> I do try and doublecheck a few images when I see things like this on Xubuntu
[10:59] <darkxst> pitti, how can this even happen on a dbus call interface="(unset)" see ^ bug
[11:00] <pitti> darkxst: err, context?
[11:00] <pitti> darkxst: but no idea about an unset interface -- could you try and ask smcv?
[11:00] <darkxst> ubiquity is crashing apparently, see bug 1495017
[11:01] <flocculant> it's not apparent - it really is :)
[11:01] <darkxst> flocculant, it may not be ubiquity's fault though
[11:01] <flocculant> you can get it to run - once you've got to the desktop
[11:01] <darkxst> that sounds racy
[11:01] <flocculant> darkxst: ack
[11:01] <pitti> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 7 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.18" (uid=999 pid=1733 comm="/usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity --") interface="(unset)" member="GetDevices" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.6" (uid=0 pid=1437 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon ")
[11:01] <pitti> darkxst: ^ that looks quite straightforward?
[11:02] <pitti> darkxst: i. e. I suppose the new NM changed its policy somehow?
[11:02] <darkxst> what, NM got updated? that slipped past me!
[11:04] <darkxst> pitti, all makes sense now
[11:04] <pitti> I updated the bug
[11:04] <pitti> darkxst: yeah, it was stuck in -proposed for several weeks
[11:04] <darkxst> I had the flu for several weeks
[11:33] <darkxst> pitti, looks like it was ported to gdbus
[11:34] <darkxst> NM that is
[11:40] <darkxst> but that would be after 1.0.4 release ;(
[14:24] <jamespage> doko, all new binaries for gf-complete are now built ^^
[14:34] <davmor2> jamespage: that sounds so Weird Science if you manage to build a complete gf
[14:43] <ogra_> now i feel old
[14:54] <davmor2> ogra_: why because you got that or you realised the film was in the 80's so is 30 years old?
[14:56] <ogra_> yeah ... *sniff*
[18:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Please could you update ubuntu-mate-meta for me?
[18:08] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I think I can manage that.
[18:08] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Many thanks.
[18:09]  * infinity wonders idly why pull-lp-source is exploding.
[18:10] <infinity> Oh.  Because python really doesn't like cwd not existing.
[19:46] <cyphermox> I'm trying to sponsor mate-netspeed, but I'm getting a reject: mate-netspeed 1.10.2+dfsg1-1 in stretch (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive)
[19:46] <cyphermox> any idea what might be the issue? I'm specifying to pick it from unstable and send it to wily-proposed
[19:46] <cyphermox> (this is a sync)
[20:07] <infinity> That's a reject from soyuz?
[20:08] <infinity> Huh.  So it is.
[20:11] <infinity> cjwatson, wgrant: ^-- WTF, mate.
[20:12] <infinity> cyphermox: Oh.
[20:12] <infinity> cyphermox: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-netspeed/+publishinghistory
[20:12] <infinity> cjwatson, wgrant: Nevermind.  britney broke it.
[20:12] <cyphermox> ah
[20:12] <infinity> cyphermox: It was synced weeks ago, and broke on migration.
[20:12] <infinity> cyphermox: I'll copy it back into proposed.
[20:12] <cyphermox> yes, that would certainly explain it
[20:13] <infinity> cyphermox: And let britney migrate it again.
[20:13] <cyphermox> thanks
[20:13] <cyphermox> and let it explo
[20:13] <cyphermox> de again.
[20:13] <cyphermox> :)
[20:15] <infinity> Hahaha.  No, it's totally broken.  That's why britney broke it.
[20:15] <infinity> cjwatson, wgrant: Reping.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-netspeed/1.10.2+dfsg1-1 is a mess ... What happened there?
[20:16] <infinity> cyphermox: Path of least resistance will be to upload a build1.
[20:17] <cyphermox> ok
[20:17]  * infinity really wants to know how soyuz created those duplicate build records...
[22:20] <bdmurray> infinity, slangasek: I forget did we have ubuntu-release-upgrader skip an EoL release? Maybe that was to allow Raring to Trusty upgrades?
[22:21] <slangasek> bdmurray: I think we did have to deal with this previously, yes, though I wouldn't remember the details of how
[22:22] <bdmurray> Does it seem like people upgrading from Trusty should not be upgrading to Utopic and then Vivid?
[22:22] <slangasek> yes
[22:24] <bdmurray> I guess I've just added to my own TODO list.
[22:24] <slangasek> ;)
[22:33] <wgrant> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/682692
[22:33] <wgrant> infinity: But in this case it was probably just two simultaneous copies.
[22:41] <infinity> bdmurray: I think we discussed that, in light of the 9mo release schedule (and to better prepare us for lts->lts), the release upgrader should be capable of upgrading to the "latest" release, skipping in between.  I don't know that we made that happen, though.
[22:42] <infinity> The latest within a supported set of upgrade paths, that is.  Not that quantal should be able to upgrade to wily or any such madness.
[22:43] <bdmurray> Okay, that's what I was sort of remembering too.
[22:45] <infinity> bdmurray: My take is, that, given we have to support 14.04->16.04, we're actually making our lives easier by making sure 14.04->15.10 (for instance) works.  Since we'll know we have the right bits in place for 16.04.
[22:45] <infinity> Or most of the right bits.


[18:16] <neyder> Hello, sobbing because of netplan on 18.04
[18:17] <neyder> Re configuring all machines one by one
[18:17] <blackflow> neyder: don't use it if you don't want to?
[18:19] <blackflow> netplan is configuration _abstraction_ that uses a backend like systemd-networkd on servers. You can totally use networkd directly, or revert to ifupdown, and ignore netplan if that's what you want.
[21:14] <aditya> hi how can I make my ubuntu-server to suspend automatically after being idle
[21:17] <blackflow> you'll have to define "idle" first
[21:18] <OerHeks> and your solution to wake up again.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan
[21:21] <aditya> blackflow: I have changed the logind.conf and IdleAction=suspend and IdleActionSec=10min but still the server does not seem to be going into suspend mode automatically
[21:21] <blackflow> aditya: you'll have to define "idle" first
[21:22] <blackflow> logind concept of "idle" is no user interaction
[21:22] <blackflow> not really a server role
[21:22] <aditya> blackflow: where do I define "Idle"
[21:23] <blackflow> in your use case. what exactly do you want to achieve, what's the set of circumstances that should put the server to sleep.
[21:23] <blackflow> is it "no key pressed for 10 minutes", or "no mouse moved for 10 minutes" or "no http request for 10 minutes" or what
[21:24] <aditya> well I have plex, deluge and file server running so when all are not getting used it means its idle
[21:24] <aditya> and since its a headless server there is no keyboard or mouse attached to the server
[21:25] <aditya> so basically it would be like no http request or any no ssh session active would mean its idle
[21:25] <OerHeks> those 2 settings work, only when there is NO opened user session.
[21:25] <blackflow> you'll have to script something manually that monitors and detects 10+ minutes passed since last http request or session and then triggers sleep mode.
[21:26] <blackflow> OerHeks: I thought it was the other way around, logind really being effective for (login) user sessions
[21:26] <blackflow> I mean, the sessions need to report "idle" and that's all about local user interactivity.
[21:27] <aditya> Ok so my settings in logind would only work if no user is logged in to the system
[21:29] <OerHeks> i think you need to tweak plex to hibernate
[21:29] <aditya> and then I have to write a bash script to check if there is no requests for plex or deluge and also check if there is no file server sessions
[21:30] <OerHeks> DNLA service enabled?
[22:35] <neyder> Aditya why in this world you would like to suspend a headless media server? Just wanna know
[22:36] <neyder> Oh Aditya is gone
[22:37] <neyder> That will replace the whale in my nightmares
[22:40] <neyder> blackflow yeah, I completely forgotten netplan implementation, so edited /etc/network/interfaces and all campus' PC went off network, I take all day to get remote control again, one by one
[22:41]  * neyder What a happy Saturday


[08:08] <nlpqda> hello guys, anyone aware of ubuntu desktop for arm?
[08:28] <nlpqda> please leave me an offline message if you have an answer .. thanks in advance


[01:44] <CIA-6> usb-creator: evand * r260 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.2.15
[04:26] <superm1> ev, thanks for uploading that usb-creator.  i meant to get around to that, but got caught up with other stuff.
[04:27] <superm1> any opposition to me uploading ubiquity shortly?
[04:35] <ev> superm1: by all means go ahead
[04:35] <ev> and sure, thanks for the fix
[04:35] <ev> rtg ran into the bug this afternoon and I was quite pleased to remember that you had already sorted it out
[06:09] <CIA-6> ubiquity: superm1 * r3737 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/gtk/mythbuntu_stepBackendSetup.ui): Make the Mythbuntu backend setup plugin's GTK widget fit better.
[06:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: superm1 * r3738 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[06:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup
[06:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: 1:0.42ubuntu2, partman-target 64ubuntu6.
[06:12] <CIA-6> ubiquity: superm1 * r3739 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.16
[17:56] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3723 plugins-conversion/ (14 files in 7 dirs): Merge with trunk.
[18:14] <ev_> michaelforrest: is there a specific time/date this week that you'd like to meet to discuss the installer design specification, assuming this would still be worthwhile at this point?
[18:18] <ev_> superm1: you're continuously one step ahead of me :).  I was thinking last night of hiding the "source disc image" treeview when -i is passed, and here I find you've already done it.
[18:19] <superm1> hehe
[18:26] <michaelforrest> ev_: yeah still want to do that.
[18:26] <michaelforrest> ev_: I have some meetings today so shall we say tomorrow morning?
[18:27] <ev_> michaelforrest: works for me
[18:27] <michaelforrest> ok good
[18:27] <ev_> cjwatson: ^ in case you have time to attend
[18:55] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3740 ubiquity/.bzrignore: Add debian/oem-config-remaster to .bzrignore.
[21:49] <Pianoman13> i am a one-week user of Ubuntu, can someone help me find my c:drive?
[21:50] <cody-somerville> Pianoman13, Please see the #ubuntu channel for support.
[21:55] <CIA-6> grub-installer: cjwatson * r834 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): merge no-device-map branch


[15:57] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 RedWolf[m] wxl et al. https://kubuntu.org/event/collaboration-initiatives/?instance_id=3
[15:57] <wxl> aw you like us! you really really like us!
 do you want to colaborate with us?! 😍
 HE LOVES US!
 <·
 <3
 ._____.
[15:58] <acheronuk> we have common ground on several things now (or will)
[15:58] <wxl> no THEY love us!!!
 well, I colaborated with Kylin and MATE before, and it was amazing. I love to share things with our flavour bros
[15:59]  * genii somehow wandered into a KDE wuvfest
[15:59] <wxl> s/bros/pals/
[15:59] <acheronuk> please come along to that if you want :)
[15:59] <wxl> genii: actually it's a Qt love fest :)
 FEST!!! YESSSS!   *brings the beer*
[15:59] <genii> Hehe
[16:00] <wxl> why doesn't Qt have an anthromorphic animal mascot yet?
[16:00]  * acheronuk wonders what can of worms he just opened
 :)
[16:00] <genii> wxl: I forgot I was in #lubuntu-devel, thought for a second I was posting in #kubuntu-devel :D
[16:01] <wxl> hahahahah
[16:01] <wxl> yeah even crazier :)
[16:01] <genii> ..also acheronuk is in both too
[16:02] <acheronuk> there a chance I won't be able to make all of that meeting....
[16:03] <acheronuk> but little point if we (Kubuntu) just chat amongst ourselves
 I think I'll go
[17:05] <wxl> here's a good suggestion for what to do with scrot: have the PrintScreen key dump it into ~/Pictures. also, scrot apparently has no upstream website. or maybe it does. and it looks like the hot key is broken (i'm not running openbox, so someone please confirm) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-tweaks/+bug/1732871
 That app is more than experimental
 So it's apparently OK for us to try out Calamares 😁
 State your objections to doing this in Lubuntu Next or I'll go through with it in ~ 4 hours
 (it's always reversible)
 @tsimonq2, Aye
 @tsimonq2, Meaning, using it by default instead of Ubiquity
 Damn. I'll need to do new slideshows.
 I hate you.
 🙃
 We're in the prealpha stages so it wouldn't hurt to give it a try
 @VikingRedwolf, I'll PayPal you lunch costs if you want :P
 I want beer!
 Guinness!
 .__.
 A LOT
 @tsimonq2, KDE Neon uses it by default and it would be much easier than messing with the Ubiquity frontend
 I'll get the templates and study it.
 OK.
 I request a Lubuntu council meeting. WE NEED TO TALK 😐
 @VikingRedwolf, About? :)
 Things
 JulienLavergnegi: Around at all? :)
 I know wxl is around kinda
[17:46] <wxl[m]> I'm here what's up?
 @VikingRedwolf needs to talk apparently
 @VikingRedwolf Related to Calamares?
 Yes. And browsers. And some default apps. I need Julien to attend to also.
 And remember I'm preparing a HUGE artwork modification.
 Well we're overdue for a meeting anyways
 I can send a Doodle when I get home unless you feel inclined
 What's a doodle?
[17:50] <wxl[m]> Yeah Doodle it
 @VikingRedwolf, Doodle Poll, for times
 I'll try to be dressed for that meeting.
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[18:56] <RedWolf[m]> O.o
[20:30] <tsimonq2> So I'm home now... trying out Calamares in a VM with a Lubuntu Next ISO
[20:31] <tsimonq2> If everything works as intended, I'll need a new package in the archive, but otherwise we should be good.
[20:32] <wxl> nice
[20:32] <wxl> wait
[20:32] <wxl> we'd need a settings package you mean?
[20:32] <wxl> not calamares
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> calamares is already in there.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Neon has one.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> I'm a MOTU so that should be no problem given that packages like this already exist.
[20:36] <agaida> you could use every calamares within the last few month - but one have to create the needed glue and branding package
[20:37] <tsimonq2> Right
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Neon has one that I can use as a template
[20:39]  * agaida has written his glue and branding from the scratch - esp the glue
[20:39] <tsimonq2> agaida: Could you throw me the link to your packaging real quick?
[20:40] <agaida> https://git.siduction.org/explore/repos?q=calamares&tab=
[20:40] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[20:43] <agaida> in the settings thing you will see what i meant - it is highly specific to ffl-based distributions, so it might work partly with aptosid and fully with siduction
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[20:44] <agaida> mostly a translation of rules from our old ffl-based installer
[20:44] <tsimonq2> agaida: Hm, so what settings do I have to tweak to make the installer see that I *do* have enough space to install? :P
[20:45] <agaida> good question - that should be done in the plain calamares modules
[20:47] <agaida> https://git.siduction.org/extra/calamares-settings-siduction/src/master/calamares/settings.conf
[20:48] <agaida> it's the partition thing in section exec
[20:48] <agaida> :) - done
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Oh, thanks.
[20:49] <agaida> -partition is the call of pm-core
[20:49] <agaida> mount will do the needed mounts
[20:50] <agaida> in our case fllmount will mount the live system to /tmp/$foo
[20:50] <tsimonq2> RIght
[20:50] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[20:50]  * tsimonq2 has to learn sometime :)
[20:50] <agaida> unpackfs is a misnomer - unpackfs does the whole installation (rsync) thing
[20:52] <tsimonq2> Ah right
[20:52] <agaida> all the magic after is to make a live system a fully workling intallation, rewrite some pathes, configurations and so on - and thats the time consuming part, one should know his system, that would help
[20:53] <agaida> anyways - after configuring calamares one knows his system and the internals very well
[20:53] <agaida> even places one didn't know that they exist
[20:53] <tsimonq2> Cool
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Once I can confirm this is working, I'll start work on a calamares-settings-ubuntu package
[20:54] <agaida> and the best ist - one can hack the glue directly in the live system
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Right
[20:54] <tsimonq2> I think this is a really cool thing :)
[20:54] <agaida> timeconsuming but funny
[20:55] <agaida> it is really cool
[20:55] <agaida> ok, with my findings i'm on pos 9 of contributors i think :P - but mostly pep8 crap
[20:57] <agaida> the only thing i would suggest if you use the debian package - patch it and make the libs private
[20:57] <agaida> less annoying warnings, no symbols and such things
[20:58] <tsimonq2> Why would I need symbols? :P
[20:58] <agaida> you will - calamares provides three libs
[20:58] <agaida> and someone could notice that :P
[20:59] <agaida> thats why i placed them outside of the common path as private libs
[20:59] <agaida> no lintian whining, no need to split them out for no reason etc
[20:59] <tsimonq2> That's also what Neon did.
[20:59] <agaida> :)
[20:59] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:01] <agaida> i asked politely to upstream this - but i thing the very most guys and the girl really don't understand the reasons :P
[21:01] <agaida> think even
[21:02] <tsimonq2> agaida: Upstream what? It's just installing some files :P
[21:02] <agaida> erm - ...
[21:03] <tsimonq2> That's how it's intended, no/
[21:03] <tsimonq2> Maybe I'm misunderstanding this.
[21:03] <agaida> there is a lot of magic
[21:03] <agaida> one could do the main part with few simple mounts and rsync
[21:04] <agaida> the magic is the interface, the partition handling - the visual part at all
[21:05] <agaida> second part is the magic one can do in the just copied/"installed" system
[21:06] <agaida> and it is worth to think a few hours about and tinker a little bit - in my case i recognise the full potential after i implemented 3/4 of the needed things
[21:09] <agaida> just a hint: do as much as you can with shell scripts in the target system - just call these scripts via the python interface - it is reliable and will speed up the development
[21:10] <agaida> could cut down the dev time to 3-4 days for the scripts with testing
[21:13] <tsimonq2> Right
 @VikingRedwolf So all I'd need from you irt slideshows for Calamares is just some PMGs
 *PNGs
 only?
 Hrm, let me check, but that's how Neon does it
 (Photo, 1366x768) https://i.imgur.com/QfFbXHM.jpg
 Oh, no, QML or PNGs