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[00:06] <bluesabre> flocculant: sounds good
[00:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: sweet
[00:11] <Unit193> Ah, aliov is 'ali' and not been on for a few days.  Oh well then.
[07:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll send something out over the next day or so then - even though it'll get a bunch of fails
[07:20] <flocculant> I should have added This test will be more boring than normal
[07:33] <ochosi> Unit193: ali is aliov in irc and i haven't seen it yet, also mention it on the xfce dev ml
[20:15] <flocculant> evening nairwolf
[20:20] <nairwolf> good evening flocculant ;)
[21:46] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:47] <knome> hello bluesabre
[21:47] <bluesabre> hey knome


[12:56] <TryingToGetSomeR> Looks like everything's back up
[12:56] <cjwatson> Mostly, but a few things still unhappy.
[13:21] <cjwatson> Should be back up now.  Let us know if any odd corners seem to not work.
[19:01] <acheronuk> publisher gone on holiday? ~4hrs since some stuff built, and not published :/
[19:02] <acheronuk> or is this catching up from the downtime?
[23:05] <acheronuk> packages still not publishing in PPAs 8 hrs after they built. :/
[23:05]  * acheronuk calls the publisher as dead, and calls the morgue
[23:07] <wgrant> acheronuk: Let me see.
[23:09] <acheronuk> wgrant: oh, thanks. I was just talking to myself really. did not really expect anyone to be here who could look!
[23:37] <wgrant> acheronuk: Should be fixed soon. Thanks for the poke.


[04:10] <StevenK> wgrant: So we have this thing, utilities/massage-bug-import-xml, which hardcodes python2.6. It is untested, and only mentioned by our bug import docs. Shall I just move it to lp-dev-utils, or fix it to not hardcode?
[04:57] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd just fix it tno hardcode for now.
[06:22] <lifeless> wgrant:  / StevenK: so the bug about python tracker imports
[06:23] <lifeless> I don't understand why we'd treat a terminal state in the upstream tracker as non-terminal in Launchpad
[06:23] <wgrant> lifeless: I thought we had agreement that it should be Fix Released
[06:24] <lifeless> wgrant: yes, but I thought I saw barry commenting something against that
[06:24] <lifeless> so cool
[06:24] <StevenK> Yeah, I asked barry


[06:02] <didrocks> hey Mirv, how are you?
[06:37] <mlankhorst> ugh bit sore from sports yesterday :D
[06:41] <Mirv> hello didrocks
[06:42] <Mirv> fine here, some barbecuing on the weekend
[06:42] <didrocks> Mirv: nice weather?
[06:42] <Mirv> didrocks: perfect, throughout the weekend
[06:42] <Mirv> didrocks: how was yours?
[06:43] <didrocks> Mirv: quite short (back on Saturday evening from IoM), but nice!
[06:43] <didrocks> a little bit tired, but should get throughout the week ;)
[06:43] <Mirv> ah, it got that late before you were home
[06:43] <didrocks> yeah, left at 10am from the hotel
[06:44] <didrocks> at home at 8:30pm
[06:44] <didrocks> (2 flights + tgv from paris to lyon)
[06:44] <didrocks> Mirv: as sil2100 is on holidays this week, will you have a look at the other stacks as well?
[06:45] <Mirv> didrocks: yeah, already looked through his stacks as well, I think I'll rerun Unity tests once before contacting upstream
[06:45] <didrocks> ok, great! thanks Mirv ;)
[06:46] <didrocks> Mirv: don't look at mirslave
[06:46] <didrocks> I'm going to push Mir to main first
[06:46]  * jpds watches as someone files a MIR for Mir.
[06:46] <Mirv> yeah, I was wondering about mirslave, since sil2100's stacks include 'mir' but not specifically 'mirslave'
[06:47] <didrocks> Mirv: basically sil2100 looks at all other stacks, so if you can watch them all (but mirslave)
[06:47] <didrocks> Mirv: I think we'll have to reorganize to have multiple daily releases, I'll think about it and keep you posted :)
[06:47] <didrocks> so if you just can look at "all stacks"
[06:47] <didrocks> (but mirslave)
[06:47] <Mirv> didrocks: so the documented split is not in effect at the moment? ok
[06:47] <didrocks> Mirv: yeah, robru is at Guadec and cyphermox hard to reach
[06:47] <didrocks> Mirv: so, we'll reshuffle that I guess :)
[06:48] <Mirv> ok. and right, guadec continues this week
[06:48] <didrocks> yep, I guess until wednesday or thursday probably
[06:54] <Mirv> didrocks: ack for http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Settings/job/cu2d-settings-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-system-settings_0.1+13.10.20130804-0ubuntu1.diff , looks good to me
[06:55] <didrocks> Mirv: is there multiarch tags on libsystemsettings1 in debian/control?
[07:00] <Mirv> didrocks: not yet it seems, I can ping mardy on whether he could add that now that the installation directories are correct
[07:00] <didrocks> Mirv: that would be nice! let's not block on that for now though. Then, +1! :)
[07:00] <didrocks> but please ping him ;)
[07:01] <Mirv> ok, thanks, doing that
[07:01] <dpm> good morning all
[07:02] <Mirv> well, filing a bug + pinging
[07:02] <Mirv> morning dpm!
[07:03] <didrocks> hey dpm! ;)
[07:03] <dpm> hey Mirv, hey didrocks :)
[07:15] <didrocks> Mirv: you know how to refresh a stack and add components? (I think it's the case for unity8 and apps)
[07:21] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/add_gsettings_unity8/+merge/178505 + redeploy
[07:21] <Mirv> will do for apps as well
[07:22] <didrocks> Mirv: approved! feel free to directly redeploy from your branch and rerun to win some minutes :)
[07:25] <Mirv> didrocks: ok. here's the other one https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/add_unity-webapps-qml_to_apps/+merge/178507
[07:25] <didrocks> Mirv: perfect! approved. Thanks! :)
[07:27] <sil2100> Nirbubg!
[07:27] <sil2100> *Morning
[07:27] <didrocks> hey sil2100! how are you?
[07:27] <Mirv> sil2100: hmm :)
[07:27] <sil2100> Mirv: ah! And I was just supposed to push that ;)
[07:27] <didrocks> aren't you on holidays though? ;)
[07:27] <Mirv> sil2100: your definition of a holiday needs some fixing
[07:28] <didrocks> Mirv: file a bug! quick! :)
[07:28] <sil2100> I am! But how could I holiday without checking the stacks?!
[07:29]  * sil2100 wonders about something
[07:29] <sil2100> Since now webbrowser-app depends on unity-webapps-qml, maybe the whole stack should dep on webapps now?
[07:30] <sil2100> I mean, is there something important in this package that we are depending on now?
[07:30] <didrocks> sil2100: I was wondering about it as well, I think you're right
[07:35] <sil2100> didrocks: preparing a branch for that, but in the meantime I also noticed something strange as well
[07:36] <didrocks> sil2100: sure, please do (think about the schedule as well for stacks then)
[07:36] <sil2100> didrocks: since unity depends on webapps, but webapps starts at 5 while unity starts at 4 - I think the stack we're depending on should be started first :D
[07:36] <sil2100> Oh well
[07:37] <Mirv> interesting
[07:39] <jibel> good morning
[07:39] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[07:40] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks , bien rentré ?
[07:40] <didrocks> jibel: bien rentré, un peu long, mais dans les temps :)
[07:40] <didrocks> et toi? bon week-end?
[07:41] <jibel> didrocks, w.e. calme mais agréable.
[07:45] <sil2100> didrocks, Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/webapp_stack_dep_and_tweak/+merge/178512
[07:46] <sil2100> Mirv: do you have enough time to finish checking/publishing all the stacks today, or do you have more important work? ;)
[07:47] <didrocks> (checking/publishing the stacks are our #1 mission for our upstreams, I don't think we have more important work TBH :p)
[07:47] <sil2100> ;)
[07:47] <didrocks> sil2100: looking good, approving!
[07:47] <sil2100> Mirv: to take off some load from you, I'll deal with settings now
[07:48] <Mirv> sil2100: I think this is important work :)
[07:49] <sil2100> didrocks: can you take a look here? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Settings/job/cu2d-settings-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-system-settings_0.1+13.10.20130805-0ubuntu1.diff <- it seems to be multiarching dirs, but will have to double check in the source what's up
[07:49] <Sweetshark> moin all!
[07:49] <sil2100> Morning!
[07:49] <mlankhorst> g'day maaate
[07:50] <Sweetshark> seb128: revived my pandabord yesterday, LO410 is building on it ...
[07:50] <Mirv> sil2100: that was actually already handled
[07:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:50] <sil2100> But yay, finally I have my very own comfortable desk here in the new apartment
[07:50] <didrocks> sil2100: \o/
[07:50] <sil2100> Mirv: it was? Since it's still yellow
[07:50] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark, mlankhorst
[07:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, aren't you supposed to be on holidays?
[07:50] <Sweetshark> seb128: ... but since that will still take a while, Im back to holidays now ;)
[07:51] <mlankhorst> heheheh
[07:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, enjoy, and don't work too much during holidays!
[07:51] <sil2100> Mirv: 16 minutes ago it finished and got yellow it says
[07:51] <Mirv> sil2100: the only thing is that actually it was launched again by someone while the 30min older build was published
[07:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: do you think I can enjoy with a ftbfs on arm? ;>
[07:51]  * Sweetshark cant.
[07:51] <sil2100> uuuh
[07:52] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, that's not the first time this happens indeed, I wonder who's relaunching this stack so frequently though
[07:52] <Mirv> sil2100: no, actually, it wasn't a relaunch, it was yesterday's build
[07:52] <didrocks> Mirv: hum, weird, I wonder in addition to you or I who would have launched it
[07:52] <didrocks> ah :)
[07:52] <seb128> Sweetshark, :-(
[07:52] <sil2100> Ah ;)
[07:52] <sil2100> Mirv: so now is the proper one?
[07:53] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100, Mirv: I'm not approving that multiarch MP, what's the issue?
[07:53] <sil2100> didrocks: is it ok to use multiarch directories without debian/control mentioning Multi-Arch ?
[07:53] <Mirv> sil2100: there are no changes yet, we should ignore the 05 build since 04 was published
[07:54] <didrocks> sil2100: that was why I asked Mirv to ping mardy about it, to fix with debian/control having the multiarch tag
[07:54] <Mirv> seb128: no issue, just that enabling multi-arch usually makes sense, unless indeed it does not support it
[07:55] <Mirv> didrocks: yeah in the end when I had filed the report I had made the changes as well, so pushed a branch
[07:55] <sil2100> Ok, I see all was handled nicely already ;)
[07:55] <seb128> Mirv, ok, I though you guys were discussing blocking the publishing on that
[07:55] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks!
[07:55] <didrocks> Mirv: was quicker ;)
[07:55] <didrocks> seb128: no, just ensure that it will be cleaned tomorrow
[07:56] <sil2100> Ok, I just push the lucene++ to a PPA and I go holidaying maybe ;p
[07:56] <didrocks> sil2100: enjoy dude! back next Monday?
[07:56] <sil2100> Since I see Mirv and didrocks have it all under control
[07:56] <didrocks> Mirv has it under control, I don't control anything here :p
[07:56] <sil2100> didrocks: yes! But I will be popping up here to maybe help out in the mornings, since I'll be anyway spending time on the PC ;p
[07:56] <didrocks> sil2100: heh, ok, ttyl then! and enjoy your day ;)
[07:58] <Mirv> seb128: I could add the pre-depends, but you think it's better left non-multiarch:d anyway? if that's the case, I'll suggest another branch just to clean the archs to Any
[07:59] <seb128> Mirv, I've no strong opinion on the multiarch tags for the lib, that lib is used only for panels and the shell is not capable of loading plugins from another arch atm
[07:59] <seb128> so it's not really useful but it doesn't hurt either
[08:02] <Mirv> ok
[08:08] <sil2100> See you around guys o/
[08:08] <sil2100> Mirv: the stacks are in the right hands I see ;)
[08:12] <seb128> Sweetshark, around?
[08:17] <seb128> Sweetshark, in fact the new libreoffice did build on armhf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:4.1.0-2ubuntu1
[08:27] <jibel> didrocks, FYI daily-release on touch devices promise to be ... interesting, I have run app tests in a loop during the w.e. and lost 2 of the 3 devices :/
[08:27] <didrocks> jibel: urgh, maguro?
[08:28] <jibel> didrocks, maguro (reported as offline by adb but I see it on the bus) and manta which vanished suddenly
[08:28] <didrocks> jibel: ok, I know they had issues with maguro as well, but no solution AFAIK
[08:28] <jibel> didrocks, maguro is the one left but tests are very unstable, there is like a stacking problem, where the UI doesn't sees autopilot event
[08:29] <jibel> s
[08:29] <didrocks> "fun"
[08:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: oh, great!
[08:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: seems to be a rebuild though ...
[08:55] <Sweetshark> seb128: see the date (yesterday) -- there was a build before that ended with gcc suiciding with a internal gcc error ...
[08:55] <Sweetshark> seb128: anyway ...
[08:56] <seb128> Sweetshark, seems like typical panda flackyness
[08:56] <seb128> Sweetshark, don't try to understand, it built, time for you to stop carrying and enjoy your holidays ;-)
[08:56]  * Sweetshark dances into the sundown (whereever that one is happening right now ;) ) and will enjoy his holidays ;)
[08:57] <Sweetshark> bdrung: ^^ since you were on cc for that
[09:13] <seb128> Sweetshark, still there?
[09:17] <czajkowski> seb128: he's probably still dancing
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hello everyone
[09:18] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: ello
[09:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, czajkowski: hey, how are you?
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hi czajkowski
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. still full up on steak. how are you?
[09:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, huummm, steeeeaaaakkkkkk
[09:19] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:19] <czajkowski> seb128: all good working away, arranging meetings and replying to mails, good monday morning working :)
[09:19] <czajkowski> just back fro disney paris :)
[09:19] <czajkowski> was very hot over there!
[09:29] <mlankhorst> hehehe yeah
[09:30] <mlankhorst> but the temperature difference was worse
[09:30] <mlankhorst> was biking at 33°c
[09:31] <mlankhorst> took a break, was even hotter there, went biking again and then the sun hid behind a cloud and it was 8 degrees cooler, might have gotten undercooled from that :P
[09:31] <czajkowski> mlankhorst: heh was wandering around Disney in 35 degrees wondering how the folks in the uniforms and costumes were even functioning
[09:31] <mlankhorst> czajkowski: surprisingly in the right attire it's not bad
[09:33] <mlankhorst> I put on my riding pants in this weather because it's less hot than other clothes..
[09:43] <didrocks> czajkowski: they are just suffering :)
[09:43] <didrocks> czajkowski: can testify that as I worked there when I was a student (I think in summer 2002)
[09:47] <czajkowski> wow
[09:48] <mlankhorst> didrocks: maybe.. I do know I can still bike just fine in 33 degrees
[09:48] <mlankhorst> but I make sure to bring a 1.5l bottle of lemonade
[09:48] <mlankhorst> and drink half a liter before I start :P
[10:17] <ara> Laney, ping
[10:18] <seb128> ara: hey
[10:18] <seb128> ara, he's on holidays this week (and at debconf next week)
[10:18] <seb128> ara, can somebody else help you maybe?
[10:18] <ara> seb128, thanks for the heads up
[10:18] <ara> I was wondering about https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1059449
[10:18] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1059449 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Precise) "Set "Airplane Mode" On, Bluetooth still work properly ." [Undecided,In progress]
[10:19] <seb128> ara, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=gnome-control-center
[10:19] <seb128> ara, you need to chase the SRU team to have it reviewed
[10:19] <seb128> they are way behind nowadays
[10:19] <ara> OK, thanks for the tips!
[10:19] <seb128> yw
[10:20] <seb128> infinity, ^
[10:36] <infinity> seb128: Yes dear.
[10:37] <seb128> infinity, hey
[10:39] <seb128> infinity, I saw ara pinged Daviey so maybe he's looking at it already
[10:40] <infinity> Too late.
[10:40] <infinity> I accepted it just now.
[10:40] <ara> infinity, thanks!
[10:40] <ara> infinity, I will tell Daviey it is approved now
[10:46] <seb128> infinity, thanks
[11:21] <mpt> "The bug you have just updated is now a private bug for Ubuntu. You do not have permission to view such bugs." ... Oops.
[11:25] <ogra_> just ask the NSA they have the full data
[11:25] <ogra_> (we should put that into the text :P )
[12:21] <mlankhorst> Laney: is there a pdebuild version of pbuilder-dist?
[12:22] <mlankhorst> I'm trying to figure out how to build/upload a mixed debian package for sid from ubuntu
[12:26] <seb128> mlankhorst, you better ask on #ubuntu-devel, you are more likely to get a reply there (Laney is on holidays this week)
[12:27] <mlankhorst> oh ok
[12:44] <mlankhorst> finally, got a hacked up script to do so :)
[12:46] <Mirv> didrocks: can you ack http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity/job/cu2d-unity-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-lens-friends_0.1.3+13.10.20130805-0ubuntu1.diff ? sil2100
[12:46] <Mirv> 's change to use -X instead of deleting a file
[12:46] <didrocks> Mirv: ah great, thanks! :)
[12:46] <didrocks> +1
[12:46] <didrocks> you're going to publish the other ones as well?
[12:47] <didrocks> I saw some are in manual publishing mode when I relaunched the mirslave stack
[12:48] <Mirv> didrocks: apps is ready but was built before webapps dep was added, and webapps would now block it since unity-webapps-qml has 3 failing tests, so not publishing that. and settings was in reality already published, it was this publishing of yesterday's build thing. so at the moment no others.
[12:49] <Mirv> filed bugs about unity8, the unity-webapps-qml and address-book-app (phone stack)
[12:50] <didrocks> Mirv: ah great! did you ping upstream about them as well?
[12:50] <didrocks> Saviq: working on the unity8 test? ^
[12:51] <Saviq> didrocks, which unity8 test?
[12:51] <Mirv> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1208395
[12:51] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1208395 in Unity 8 "can_unlock_passphrase_screen test failing" [Undecided,New]
[12:51] <Mirv> didrocks: waiting for alexandre and renato to wake up for the others
[12:51] <didrocks> ok, thanks! :)
[12:51] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks
[12:53] <mlankhorst> seems the workaround is a script like this
[12:53] <mlankhorst> $ cat pbuilder-sid
[12:53] <mlankhorst> #!/bin/bash
[12:53] <mlankhorst> exec pdebuild --debbuildopts "$*" -- --basetgz /home/mlankhorst/pbuilder/sid-base.tgz --buildresult /home/mlankhorst/pbuilder/sid_result
[12:53] <mlankhorst> then git-buildpackage with --git-builder='pbuilder-sid -I.git -i.git' :)
[13:01] <didrocks> argh, RAOF: you lied! :)
[13:02] <didrocks> RAOF: even with latest patches, the -ati and -intel still tries to access to some xmir patches
[13:02] <ogra_> you mean Mir works on powerpc ?
[13:02] <ogra_> :)
[13:02] <didrocks> ogra_: no, it doesn't
[13:02] <ogra_> :)
[13:03] <didrocks> I'm tired of powerpc making me loosing 6h today… though
[13:04] <didrocks> It seems I'll need the separate debian/patches/series per arch now though :/
[13:05] <didrocks> maybe I should let RAOF coming with something more sexy
[13:32] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:32] <didrocks> hey cyphermox, how were your holidays?
[13:32] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, welcome back!
[13:32] <seb128> cyphermox, did you have good holidays ?
[13:32] <cyphermox> good yeah
[13:32] <cyphermox> the only bad thing is a pretty intense sunburn :)
[13:33] <didrocks> argh, not enough protection? :)
[13:33] <cyphermox> what protection?
[13:33] <cyphermox> ;)
[13:33] <cyphermox> seriously though, yeah, a bit too late. we went to the water park, it was a pretty rainy cold day
[13:34] <cyphermox> but then the sun showed up
[13:34] <didrocks> ah, usual trap ;)
[13:35] <cyphermox> yea
[13:35]  * cyphermox goes take a look at jenkins
[13:36] <cyphermox> eep
[16:40] <nessita> hello everyone! quick question: I'm running raring and usb-creator-gtk keeps crashing on me, I need to create a booteable saucy pendrive. Error in dmesg is:
[16:40] <nessita> Aug  5 13:38:44 dali kernel: [  667.507134] usb-creator-gtk[4255]: segfault at 7f1217b09b50 ip 00007f1217b09b50 sp 00007f120bffe668 error 15
[16:41] <nessita> other errors for previous attempts are:
[16:41] <nessita> [  456.966782] traps: usb-creator-gtk[3734] general protection ip:587f37 sp:7f7722da37f0 error:0 in python3.3[400000+2a5000]
[16:41] <nessita> Aug  5 13:32:02 dali kernel: [  267.114298] usb-creator-gtk[3332]: segfault at 4 ip 00007f01f342bd80 sp 00007ffff90516d8 error 6 in libdbus-1.so.3.7.2[7f01f3407000+43000]
[16:45] <seb128> nessita, hey, you should be able to create one using dd
[16:45] <nessita> seb128, hi there!
[16:45] <sarnold> nessita: usb-creator-gtk hasn't worked for me in a while, dd works better.
[16:45] <nessita> so, just dd if=the-image of=/dev/sdb1 ?
[16:46] <sarnold> I can't recall if you'll want to output to the partition or the whole disk ..
[16:47] <seb128> nessita, google suggest "dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M"
[16:47] <seb128> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12507490/usb-bootable-in-ubuntu-12-04
[16:47] <nessita> seb128, sarnold: great, will try that
[16:47] <seb128> one of the command says sdb1
[16:47] <seb128> well, either might work
[16:47] <seb128> nessita,  let us know how it goes ;-)
[16:48] <nessita> yes, will do
[16:48] <nessita> brb
[16:57] <nessita> dd finished, 888143872 bytes (888 MB) copied, 112.943 s, 7.9 MB/s, booting using the pendrive
[16:58] <nessita> I still don't understand how this will write properly the bootloader
[16:58] <nessita> but let's try!
[16:58]  * nessita brbs
[17:19] <nessita> seb128, sarnold: dd worked like a charm, thanks!
[17:19] <nessita> is sad that usb-creator-gtk does not work, there are some people that are afraid to use the terminal
[17:21] <sarnold> nessita: excellent :) the reason why it works is some newfangled "hybrid iso" format that I don't yet understand :)
[17:21] <sarnold> nessita: and agreed there, the gui interface seemed pleasant enough when it did work. :/


[06:21] <gabrielix> hello!
[06:21] <gabrielix> i want a hostname cloak
[06:22] <gabrielix> i'm already registred, launchpad members, openpgp signed, uploaded signed CoC
[06:24] <Myrtti> and also ubuntu member?
[06:25] <gabrielix> yeap
[06:25] <Myrtti> mmkay, got me confused there
[06:25] <gabrielix> yes
[06:25] <gabrielix> i members of launchpad, ubuntu, and irc with the same name, gabrielix ^^
[06:26] <gabrielix> s/members/member/g
[06:27] <gabrielix> Myrtti: my english is not clear because i'm not english speaker
[06:35] <Myrtti> well neither am I :-)
[06:35] <Myrtti> unfortunately I'm not the person setting up the cloaks so I can't help you, but wait and I'm sure someone will
[06:37] <gabrielix> i hate wait, long wait, and ... may be days
[06:37] <Myrtti> nope, not days
[06:37] <Myrtti> hours
[06:38] <gabrielix> i not want to be inmediatly, but ..... i need sleep
[06:38]  * gabrielix is human
[07:36] <gabrielix> 1 hour
[16:33] <Myrtti> we're having a feller at -fi again who drops in randomly names from the Finnish national epic
[16:34] <Myrtti> I sorta remember there has been a similar case in several other channels too
[16:34] <Myrtti> so heads up
[16:37] <Myrtti> [18:34] [freenode] *** anfortas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:37] <Myrtti> [18:34] [freenode] ***  ircname  : Java User
[16:44] <Myrtti> /mode #ubuntu-fi +d Java?User
[16:44] <Myrtti> thank you very many.
[21:40] <bokey> hi folks when are we getting our lovely ubotu back?
[21:40] <Myrtti> bokey: $deity knows
[21:40] <bokey> =)
[21:41] <nalioth> bokey: where did you need a bot?
[21:41] <bokey> nalioth: in #ubuntu-np
[21:41] <Nafallo> when do we get Myrtti back?
[21:42] <Myrtti> :rickroll:
[21:42] <Nafallo> :-p
[21:43] <nalioth> bokey: we'll get you fixed up
[21:43] <bokey> nalioth: thanks :-)
[21:45] <bokey> looks like ubotu's other half's
[21:48] <Myrtti> !bot
[21:53] <bokey> :)
[21:53] <bokey> thanks folks
[23:17] <gabrielix> helo
[23:17] <gabrielix> i requested yesterday a cloak for this account
[23:19] <nalioth> gabrielix: what is your launchpad URL?
[23:20] <gabrielix> https://launchpad.net/~gabrielix
[23:21] <nalioth> gabrielix: i'm sorry, but you are not an Ubuntu member  :(
[23:21] <Pici> !member
[23:22] <gabrielix> mmm i never see this before
[23:26] <gabrielix> specifically what i need to do?
[23:26] <stdin> make a sustained contribution to ubuntu
[23:27] <stdin> that can be support, bug managing, documenting, coding, artwork etc
[23:28] <RoAkSoAx> translations
[23:37] <gabrielix> i'm interesed on development only, because i not have imagination to make art
[23:37] <gabrielix> someone can suggest me a link


[01:24] <zunds> ola
[01:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello
[01:27] <SonikkuAmerica> You're D3n4riu5 aren't you
[01:28] <zunds> yes SonikkuAmerica
[04:21] <whoo> when removing kernels that have accumulated. is it a good idea to reove and not completely remove the previous kernel ? Just in cae it needs to be reinstalled ?
[04:21] <whoo> remove*
[04:22] <whoo> csae*...
[04:22] <whoo> case...
[04:24] <whoo> Right now i still have 3.5.0-25 installed but have completely removed-17 -18 -19 -21 and -23. 3.5.0-27 is the current kernel
[04:25] <whoo> Should I just dump -25  ?
[04:28] <Unit193> It's recommended to keep current, and one backup you know works.
[04:33] <whoo> alright thanks...so I'll keep -25 then
[04:34] <whoo> Is it the kernel update that screws up when your system goes bad for no (apparent) reason then ?
[04:36] <whoo> Thanks for the tip.....later
[17:00] <dreamy_> hi ! could anyone please recomend me a good pc to be used with ubuntu studio  (so this means for music writing and production)
[17:01] <zequence> dreamy_: Depends on what you want to do
[17:01] <zequence> Ah, you said music production
[17:01] <dreamy_> zequence, i think its music production and or writing
[17:02] <dreamy_> recording
[17:02] <dreamy_> mixing
[17:02] <dreamy_> equalizing
[17:02] <dreamy_> everthing
[17:02] <dreamy_> soudn quality
[17:02] <zequence> Well, you don't really need that much. The faster the CPU, the more FX you can have
[17:02] <zequence> For audio quality, all you need is an ok audio device
[17:02] <dreamy_> zequence, m-audio?>
[17:02] <zequence> If you're going to use a lot of samples, like big libraries, you'll need RAM
[17:03] <zequence> 8 GB is more than enough for most people
[17:03] <zequence> dreamy_: USB, or PCI?
[17:03] <dreamy_> m audio is ok.. i know
[17:03] <zequence> M-Audio, depends on which one
[17:03] <dreamy_> zequence, usb or pci? like how?
[17:04] <zequence> There are usb devices, PCI devices, PCI-E devices and firewire devices
[17:04] <zequence> The simplest, and cheapest is PCI
[17:04] <dreamy_> zequence, ok, but what pc should i buy ?
[17:04] <zequence> M-Audio Delta series is quite good
[17:05] <dreamy_> could it be any ? with free slots?
[17:05] <zequence> dreamy_: Is it going to be a desktop PC?
[17:05] <dreamy_> yes indeed
[17:06] <zequence> I usually build mine from scratch. And get my parts under 400$
[17:06] <dreamy_> im not thinking of building a pc :(
[17:06] <zequence> For music production, what I think is the absolutely most important thing is a silent computer, unless you are planning on having it in another room
[17:07] <zequence> You can easily fix the CPU fan, by just buying a new one, and they are quite cheap, but the power supply is a different problem
[17:07] <zequence> This is why I buy it in parts
[17:07] <dreamy_> i was in love with fuzitsu , but i didnt liked much what was on theyr web page
[17:07] <dreamy_> no im thinking about "hp:
[17:08] <dreamy_> "hp" computer
[17:08] <zequence> The brand doesn't matter. Only the componenets
[17:08] <zequence> I would look for a silent computer, with a fairly good CPU. You don't need heavy graphics
[17:08] <dreamy_> zequence, yes , but that was if i where going to build a whole computer, but  i cant
[17:09] <zequence> As I said, the brand does not matter. The components do. No matter, if you are building it yourself or not
[17:09] <dreamy_> i understand
[17:09] <zequence> I would stay away from brands that are too custom, which make it difficult to change parts later
[17:09] <dreamy_> whats even better then m-audio?
[17:10] <zequence> All cards that work, and are meant for audio production are good
[17:11] <zequence> All cards have different features. You'd want to choose a card that has the features you need
[17:11] <zequence> Like mic amp, if you need that. Or instrument input, if that is important. If you need more than 2 channels, etc, etc
[17:12] <zequence> m-audio may not have the best mic amps. But, the difference between the cards of the same price range is very small
[17:13] <zequence> If you want better, it will cost a lot more
[17:13] <zequence> most people would not hear the difference anyway
[17:13] <zequence> Better to start small, with quality products that work
[17:14] <dreamy_> zequence, this question is a bit offtopic(about what we where chatting)  .. do you think machintosh are good for my purposes?
[17:15] <zequence> dreamy_: Are you talking about OSX, or just the machine
[17:15] <SunStar> NOT SUPPORTED (OFFICIALLY)
[17:15] <SunStar> oops
[17:16] <dreamy_> zequence, whatever the machine can do, it doesnt got open source applications :( , i like those
[17:16] <dreamy_> i like linux
[17:16] <zequence> dreamy_: There's a difference between the actual machine, and the OS. This is why I ask, are you talking about OSX, or just the machine?
[17:16] <zequence> It is possible to install Linux on it, you know
[17:17] <zequence> And this is the user channel for Ubuntu Studio, not OSX
[17:17] <dreamy_> i didnt know that, are you shure?
[17:17] <zequence> Yes, I'm very sure
[17:18] <dreamy_> and how is the actual machine?
[17:18] <zequence> I'm being very subjective, by saying, I wouldn't recommend anyone to buy a Macintosh
[17:18] <zequence> But, that's up to you
[17:18] <dreamy_> zequence, for what main reason, shouldnt it be bought?
[17:19] <zequence> The machine is more or less like any other PC or laptop, only you usually pay more for the same componenents
[17:19] <dreamy_> and its not expandable... i think so
[17:19] <SunStar> high price without garentee it'll take to studio. if it doesnt you gotta go the apple route which you can expect to cost you ~$3400 extra
[17:20] <dreamy_> but, considering that i dont have skills to build a pc, how could i buy a build one?
[17:20] <zequence> dreamy_: There are stores that build them for you
[17:20] <SunStar> ^
[17:21] <dreamy_> zequence, "hp" seems ok?
[17:21] <SunStar> gateway is better
[17:21] <SunStar> price / performance / quality. also asus and acer are good
[17:21] <zequence> Except they aren't silent, most probably
[17:22] <dreamy_> all those should bring some free slots...   .. to upgrade in the future..
[17:23] <zequence> dreamy_: What I would do is, I would go to a local quality store that builds custom PCs. Tell them what you want is: 1. silent Power supply (max 400-500W) 2. Good CPU and silent CPU fan 3. 8GB of RAM. and the rest should be cheap
[17:23] <SunStar> ^
[17:23] <zequence> dreamy_: If they give you a price of more than 400-500$, it's too much
[17:24] <DarkEra> to be honest.. i bought a mac in 2007 for music creation and ordered Logic express back then. Now the machine is sitting right here in a corner because 1. it can't be upgraded to the latest os X, 2 the screen shows vertical lines so it's broken, repairing it would cost me too much and 3.... I'm on linux anyway everyday. So a good advice would be to stay away from mac as far as possible dreamy_  and follow zequence his advice
[17:25] <zequence> dreamy_: If you want a monster CPU, it will cost more though. And you might want to stay away from AMD bulldozer, or anything else than AMD Phenom really. Intel should be at least i5. Preferably i7 with a nice Speed. But i7 costs more
[17:26] <DarkEra> i'm planning on getting myself a desktop pc in the near future myself, someone over here in Belgium has a 'web' shop and sells pc's/laptops with ubuntu or debian pre-installed. gonna have a talk with him when the time has come
[17:27] <zequence> dreamy_: Actually, maybe I'm not giving you good advice on the prices now. Say, max 500€. That's what I would look for anyway
[17:27] <dreamy_> zequence, you mentioned about "amd" . those processors are ok ?
[17:28] <SunStar> yup
[17:28] <dreamy_> quad core
[17:28] <zequence> AMD phenom is ok, and cheap. But Bulldozer is not really worth it, I think.
[17:29] <zequence> It performs badly, while eating lots of power
[17:29] <zequence> There's also Piledriver, which should be better
[17:29] <dreamy_> afterwars can i insert something like an m-audio trought an usb?
[17:30] <zequence> Sure, but make sure the usb card you get will actually work before you buy it
[17:30] <dreamy_> a midi card , wich im not shure what it is for
[17:30] <dreamy_> how do i know linux will have drivers for my hardware?
[17:31] <zequence> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/SupportedHardware
[17:31] <dreamy_> ok
[17:31] <zequence> http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=hardware_matrix
[17:31] <zequence> More or less all existing PCI cards you can find will work
[17:31] <zequence> USB is the most troublesome actually
[17:32] <zequence> firewire is less convienient on laptops, since few support firewire, but on desktops, firewire might be the best choice
[17:32] <zequence> aside from PCI
[17:32] <zequence> I have Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40
[17:33] <zequence> But, that's 8 channels, with mic amps. You might only need two
[17:33] <zequence> A firewire PCI-E card is cheap too
[17:33] <zequence> if your MB doesn't have it builtin
[18:43] <ellon> brasileiro ai?
[18:43] <ellon> preciso de ajuda com configurações de audio


[16:23] <balloons> ohh my flocculant, what's this? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-test_custom_install/
[17:12] <flocculant> \o/
[17:12] <flocculant> balloons: nice :)
[17:13] <flocculant> even if it is a fail :p
[18:23] <dkessel> Yay! \o/


[02:22] <duflu> How do I turn off vibrate on touch? I've turned it off for the keyboard but the phone still vibrates on shell touches
[03:39] <CsharpCode> Anyone looking foward to getting a ubuntu phone
[03:41] <nhaines> I am.  No Bluetooth on my Nexus 5 is a hassle.  :)
[03:43] <CsharpCode> I'm gonna get one just to show my support but until the apps get developed i'll have to stay with android.
[03:44] <nhaines> Fair enough.  I need a couple Google apps, but otherwise I could make it work.
[03:44] <nhaines> Full convergence is the point where I *need* to have one, so I'm not sure exactly when I'm going to buy one.
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <nudoge> hi
[08:46] <robo> hi
[08:47] <robo> nudoge, I've been waiting for ubuntu touch and ubuntu tv, since I first heard of them
[08:48] <robo> seems like a long wait haha
[08:48] <nudoge> ya
[08:48] <nudoge> I am wanting to see the EFI settings
[08:49] <nudoge> UEFI*
[08:49] <robo> I use an ubuntu touch type of theme on my android phone haha
[08:49] <nudoge> also want to start building service
[08:50] <nudoge> using the ubuntu platform with gsm wlan and gps is going to be fun
[08:50] <robo> you think that will be fun?
[08:50] <nudoge> built out with the openstack teams to store custom file shares
[08:51] <nudoge> you can have ubuntu teams
[08:51] <robo> are you a developer?
[08:51] <nudoge> im learning
[08:51] <robo> ok
[08:52] <robo> not me haha
[08:53] <nudoge> emulation and RDP protocols are going to change things
[08:53] <robo> I don't have any computers that use uefi yet
[08:53] <nudoge> I have 2
[08:53] <robo> cool
[08:53] <nudoge> they suck
[08:53] <robo> really?
[08:53] <nudoge> I want old computers with puppylinux on it
[08:53] <nudoge> new programs are so heavy
[08:53] <robo> I thought they were supposed to be a lot better than bios
[08:54] <nudoge> thats another reason I like touch
[08:54] <nudoge> robo: they prevent some custom installs
[08:54] <nudoge> it does prevent people doing terrible things to your computer with a flash drive
[08:54] <robo> nudoge, I thought they solved all of that
[08:54] <nudoge> robo: you still need a key
[08:55] <robo> but can't any body get the key for $100
[08:55] <robo> so anybody making a distro can do that right?
[08:56] <robo> goes through verisign I thought
[08:56] <nudoge> hmmmmm
[08:57] <nudoge> for custom distros that would get expensive
[08:58] <robo> and if you buy a computer without an operating system on it then can set it to not look for a key right?
[08:58] <robo> or if you buy the motherboard and install it on your own
[09:00] <sturmflut-work> UEFI and Secure Boot are not the same thing, BTW
[09:01] <robo> why would you need a key for uefi if not for the secure boot?
[09:02] <sturmflut-work> robo: You don't need a key for UEFI. You need a key for Secure Boot. You can have Secure Boot without UEFI, and you can have UEFI without Secure Boot.
[09:03] <robo> so why can't you put some custom os on uefi?
[09:03] <sturmflut-work> robo: You can? Just disable Secure Boot, if it is even enabled
[09:04] <robo> okay
[09:04]  * sturmflut-work even has a Windows 8.1 tablet with UEFI, happily running Ubuntu with Secure Boot disabled
[09:21] <nudoge> thanks sturmflut-work
[09:21] <nudoge> !tip sturmflut-work 1
[09:21] <sturmflut-work> Haha
[09:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D
[09:51] <nudoge> gnight
[10:19] <sturmflut-work> popey: The armhf schroots need some love I think. I would expect that the development package for every library is present, which is the case for most, but e.g. not for libasound.
[10:20] <sturmflut-work> popey: Do you know who defines the default package list for schroots?
[10:20] <popey> sturmflut-work: yeah, bzoltan_
[10:20] <popey> sturmflut-work: but you can always dive into them and add what you need
[10:20] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work: what packages do you miss from there?
[10:21] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work:  the API set is defined here -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid/view/head:/sdk-libs
[10:23] <sturmflut-work> bzoltan_: I stumbled across the missing libasound2-dev just now, maybe I find more while working on the libSDL stuff.
[10:23] <sturmflut-work> bzoltan_: Thanks, I'll have a look.
[10:26] <sturmflut-work> popey: IMO one shouldn't have to manually install packages in an schroot if the library already comes with the schroot. I prefer to not touch my schroots at all, it makes development much harder because you always have to remember which packages you installed manually if you recreate an schroot or if you have multiple development machines (as I do).
[10:26] <popey> thats a fair point
[10:28] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work:  you are perfectly right
[10:28] <bzoltan_> popey: sturmflut-work: The story of these development APIs that are not present in the schroot are the following:
[10:29] <bzoltan_> We have a high level API set, mostly Qt and QML APIs. We are commited to these, we know they are stable and we guarantee that apps written against these APIs are going to be good in the given framework.
[10:31] <bzoltan_> But, when it comes to more platform level APIs the story gets more complex. Sure, we have the libasound2 present on the platform, so we can provide the -dev packages in the SDK. But imagine  if we start to add dozens and dozens of APIs like that to the SDK. We do not have an API controll or an update policy for these APIs, so if you use these apps, then your app is guaranteed to work as long these libraries do not change.
[10:32] <bzoltan_> If they change, then we should hope that they do not break APIs, but the API stability we can not guarantee for 100%
[10:33] <bzoltan_> I know it sounds scray :) and I am folding out here the worst case scenario .. as in real life we do pay attantion to any changes. But we do not and can not test all apps in the store after each library upgrade.
[10:57] <saidinesh5> Guys is there a way to enable mouse cursor in Ubuntu touch?
[10:57] <saidinesh5> I know it is detecting my kids via usb otg
[10:58] <saidinesh5> Nexus 7....
[10:58] <saidinesh5> Mouse pointer
[11:16] <matv1> it occurred to me that lots of times, after an system update, my networking is out of wack. i.e. I have both wifi and data cell data set but neither makes a connection. it seems espcially  that when no wifi is available,  cell data conection fails. The things is that rebooting again always fixes this.
[11:16] <matv1> Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?
[11:18] <matv1> mako rtm devel proposed
[11:24] <matv1> looking at launchpad I am not sure if that relates to an existing bug or not
[11:36] <sturmflut-work|A> saidinesh5: Good question. I know that Mir and Unity8 support mouse cursors, but I have no idea if that's enabled on phones/tablets.
[12:05] <jgdx> mandel, hey
[12:06] <mandel> jgdx, hello
[12:07] <jgdx> mandel, I think we could land [1] if the AP failure was addressed. Do you know if it's a real issue or flakyness? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-pause-rtm/+merge/246410
[12:07] <mandel> jgdx, let me check
[12:11] <mandel> jgdx, As far as I can tell is flakyness in the tests rather than changes in the code
[12:12] <jgdx> mandel, right, then merging trunk might be a solution to that.
[12:12] <mandel> jgdx, let me do that and push the change then
[12:16] <mandel> jgdx, when you say trunk, you mean lp:ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-14.09, right? cause that mr is for the rtm code base (backported)
[12:16] <uhhimhere> can I haz ubuntu touch on da uber pandora?
[12:17] <uhhimhere> http://boards.openpandora.org/page/homepage.html
[12:18] <mandel> jgdx, if that is the case I already did the merge and pushed it
[12:19] <jgdx> mandel, right, rtm
[12:19] <jgdx> k cool
[12:19]  * jgdx turns on notifications
[12:20] <anpok_> uhhimhere: why not just install ubuntu and the unity8 desktop?
[12:22] <uhhimhere> doesnt this come bundled ?
[12:34] <sturmflut-work> bzoltan_: I agree. I'll bundle everything necessary with my app.
[12:39] <sturmflut-work> uhhimhere: Someone apparently managed to install Ubuntu 12.04 on the OpenPandora at some point. If you manage to install Vivid Vervet, and get Mir working with the PowerVR GPU, then Unity8 may be just an "apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir" away...
[12:39] <sturmflut-work> uhhimhere: But I heavily doubt it
[12:59] <jgdx> Wellark, updated bug as requested. "All bets are off for call management" -- ofonod
[13:00] <seb128> mpt, I'm unsure https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1401916 doesn't require design, we need an UI for the user to be able to configure screens no?
[13:01] <mpt> seb128, but the design already exists for X, right?
[13:01] <seb128> mpt, not sure, we have a desktop design, is that to stick on e.g a docked phone?
[13:06] <pete-woods> dholbach: hi, I have a scope upload to the click store that needs a fix to the click-reviewers-tools (https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/click-reviewers-tools/childscopes-field/+merge/247004) MR here :)
[13:09] <pete-woods> (trivial change)
[13:11] <mpt> seb128, there is no mention of phones in that bug report :-]
[13:13] <seb128> mpt, right, it's still unclear to me how settings work in the convergence world
[13:17] <mrphantom> Hi, I want to port ubuntu touch to my device. I am pretty aware with building cm for my device. Can someone help me?
[13:17] <dholbach> pete-woods, hum... do we document that somewhere how the config is structured? do we need tests? I haven't been part of any discussions about this, so I feel a bit like I don't know what to make a decision about
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> popey: Okay, https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template now builds the binary for the Desktop and the Phone, when building for the phone all necessary (?) libraries are bundled, the resulting click package can be installed on the phone and the binary is actually started.
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> popey: Sadly it breaks with "SDL_Init(): No available video device"
[13:20] <sturmflut-work> popey: Most likely because it tries to dlopen libmirclient.so.7, and libmirclient.so.8 is installed
[13:20] <popey> sturmflut-work: on my device it was doing dlopen on .so.8 but failed
[13:21] <popey> even though that was installed
[13:22] <sturmflut-work> popey: Which version are your schroot and device on? I have a 14.10 schroot and the Nexus 4 is on the stable channel (14.10 r14)
[13:23] <popey> sturmflut-work: not a schroot, I built directly on the device
[13:23] <pete-woods> dholbach: the structure is documented, yes. and I've added it to the test suite, in that MR
[13:23] <pete-woods> dholbach: I'm on the scopes team, and I can say that the real problem is that we need to be more responsible in updating the click tools when we add new fields
[13:24] <dholbach> pete-woods, ok... maybe I was just missing the link to the documentation of it?
[13:24] <pete-woods> I will provide :)
[13:24] <dholbach> pete-woods, sure, I'm super happy if you (or others) take care of improving the checks and tests
[13:25] <dholbach> pete-woods, I just felt like I had little idea about the config structure myself - docs will help with that :)
[13:25] <pete-woods> dholbach: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-api/trunk/view/head:/CONFIGFILES#L393
[13:27] <mpt> seb128, we will need an equivalent of everything currently in System Settings on the PC, and rules for when it should be visible (e.g. you won’t want “Wacom Tablet” visible 99.9% of the time)
[13:28] <dholbach> pete-woods, ok, looks good - I'll just add an entry to d/changelog - how about adding the link to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-api/trunk/view/head:/CONFIGFILES somewhere in cr_scope.py?
[13:28] <seb128> mpt, well, is the desktop design to change? are we going to have different settings apps/one that change according to the environment?
[13:28] <dholbach> pete-woods, just so it's clearer for the next reviewer
[13:28] <mpt> seb128, I don’t know :-)
[13:28] <pete-woods> dholbach: that's a good idea
[13:28] <pete-woods> will do that
[13:28] <seb128> mpt, is anyone thinking about that? or assigned to work on that?
[13:29]  * dholbach hugs pete-woods
[13:29] <pete-woods> :D
[13:29] <mpt> seb128, it’s my reponsibility, but in general we haven’t started on the PC yet
[13:30] <seb128> mpt, what about a docked phone? ;-)
[13:30] <mpt> seb128, what about the drains in Clapham?
[13:30] <seb128> lol
[13:30] <sturmflut-work> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1402753
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, one reason I added ubuntu-ux on that unity8 screen config is that I'm unsure what are the requirements, but I'm not sure if that comes from design
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, like should a phone connect to a hdmi screen just mirror? or allow config? and if so how...
[13:31] <popey> sturmflut-work: D'oh!
[13:31] <mpt> seb128, so put that in the bug description. “In the new world unity8 should probably be the one setting up the configuration at start” doesn’t suggest any design requirements at all.
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, ok
[13:35] <seb128> sturmflut-work, popey, is a simple no change rebuild enough?
[13:36] <popey> seb128: I don't actually know, but that sounds possible.
[13:36] <seb128> bregma, ^ do you know?
[13:36] <seb128> why didn't that happen since decembre if that's the case?
[13:37] <popey> i dont think anyone actually used libsdl in anger yet
[13:37] <popey> so nobody is inconvenienced (yet) by this being broken
[13:39] <bregma> bschaefer will be around in a couple of hours, he runs libSDL2 on his device, he will be able to shine light
[13:39] <bregma> ... or take the fall
[13:42] <greyback> bregma: just a reminder, can you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/fix-GTK-rendering/+merge/246201 please? Just to see if I'm sane or not
[13:42] <bregma> greyback, sure, I'll probably get a chance today
[13:42] <greyback> bregma: thank you
[13:43] <sturmflut-work> In my case the problem might be that I am still on the stable channel (Utopic) with my schroot and device. I get libsdl2-2.0.2+dfsg1-3ubuntu2, which was uploaded in May 2014, while Vivid seems to be on libsdl2-2.0-0_2.0.2+dfsg1-6ubuntu1, which was uploaded on January 6.
[13:44] <sturmflut-work> If a rebuild fixes the problem, the package should also be rebuilt for Utopic I think
[13:47] <cwayne> pitti: ping -- what was the magic to send the password over adt-run so that things can be run as sudo?
[13:47] <pete-woods> dholbach: thanks for the merge. is there a way for me to tell when that code is deployed to the store?
[13:48] <dholbach> pete-woods, no, that's a question for beuno
[13:48] <dholbach> at least not AFAIK
[13:48] <dholbach> @daily?
[13:48] <seb128> sturmflut-work, that makes sense
[13:48]  * dholbach shrugs
[13:49] <pete-woods> dholbach: okay, will ask the u1 guys then :)
[13:49] <jgdx> seb128, could you take a look at [1]? It's the same as [2], but not requiring string change. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-forgetful/+merge/247011 [2] https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-forgetful/+merge/246644
[13:49] <seb128> jgdx, hey, sure
[13:49] <jgdx> seb128, great, thanks. Might be able to land that today then :)
[13:50] <seb128> jgdx, did you try to IRC ping ken about updating his version?
[13:50] <jgdx> seb128, ken was out yesterday and sick today
[13:50] <seb128> k
[14:02] <sturmflut-work> Wow. This building allegedly has dual-band 802.11n WiFi coverage, and ATM my Nexus 4 is downloading package updates at exactly 2.952 bytes per second.
[14:02] <sturmflut-work> This must be the "future" everybody is talking about
[14:05] <pitti> cwayne: with the adb runner? adt-run ... --- ssh -s adb -- -p s3kr1t
[14:06] <seb128> jgdx, approved, but it would be cool if you could mp the string change to trunk as well while you are at it
[14:07] <jgdx> seb128, thanks! https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-fix-forget-string-1378637/+merge/247014
[14:08] <seb128> jgdx, I think you should use "Forget this network", that's what is in the design, we can change strings in trunk
[14:08]  * jgdx checks.
[14:09] <seb128> jgdx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking has "Erratum: “Disconnect” should be “Forget This Network”."
[14:09] <seb128> jgdx, though mpt got the casing wrong there I think, we use sentence case in settings
[14:09] <seb128> settings/unity8
[14:11] <jgdx> seb128, thanks, updated the branch. Take a look?
[14:12] <jgdx> afaics both places should have the same string, "Forget this network".
[14:12] <seb128> jgdx, thanks, approved this time ;-)
[14:13] <jgdx> :)
[14:13] <gcollura> hi guys, I'm using a mako with rtm r14, I've a sim inside my phone but ubuntu doesn't recognize it, it just say "No SIM" in the network indicator
[14:13] <gcollura> It used to work until this morning
[14:14] <gcollura> when I boot the phone it doesn't even ask for the pin and when it occasionally does, the indicator show "offline", but still no signal
[14:15] <gcollura> I've tried to remove/insert the sim, reboot several time, reflash the ubuntu image, but I got nowhere
[14:26] <jibel> I cannot use the emulator on Vivid but it works fine on Utopic. I filed bug 1412495, is it a known issue on the devel release?
[14:35] <jgdx> gcollura, what does /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems say?
[14:36] <jgdx> gcollura, that will output sensitive info, so redact if you post it somewhere
[14:38] <gcollura> jgdx, here's the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/9794768/
[14:38] <gcollura> I've modified some numbers, but I don't think it was useful anyway
[14:40] <jgdx> gcollura, hm, looks like flightmode?
[14:41] <gcollura> jgdx, I don't know, flight mode is off and wifi works
[14:41] <jgdx> gcollura, what does system settings re: flight mode? on/off?
[14:41] <jgdx> wifi works with flight mode
[14:42] <gcollura> jgdx, off even in system settings
[14:43] <jgdx> gcollura, do you get anything interesting from /usr/share/ofono/scripts/online-modem ?
[14:43] <gcollura> the output: Setting modem /ril_0 online...
[14:44] <gcollura> now the network indicator shows "unknown" status
[14:45] <jgdx> gcollura, did list-modems change?
[14:46] <jgdx> might wanna check syslog, and quite possibly file a bug against ofono?
[14:47] <gcollura> jgdx, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9794851/
[14:47] <gcollura> it changed a bit
[14:47] <jgdx> gcollura, yeah, seems normal but locked
[14:48] <gcollura> jgdx, shall I try to reboot?
[14:48] <jgdx> gcollura, maybe try unlocking it first?
[14:49] <jgdx> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/unlock-pin /ril_0 pin 1234
[14:49] <gcollura> jgdx, \o/ it works now :)
[14:50] <jgdx> gcollura, cool. Not sure why rf (online) was disabled though? I don't know enough.
[14:53] <gcollura> jgdx, if I remember I tried to set the offline mode this morning, maybe it didn't set off correctly
[14:56] <jgdx> gcollura, which setting was that?
[14:56] <gcollura> jgdx, flight mode
[14:58] <jgdx> gcollura, okay.. then perhaps urfkill is the culprit? Not sure if it has the responsibility to restore rf on the modem. If you can reproduce it later on, could you also file a bug?
[14:59] <mandel> jgdx, is the following silo the one to land the fix in rtm => https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-019
[14:59] <gcollura> jgdx, sure :)
[14:59] <gcollura> jgdx, thanks for your help :)
[15:00] <jgdx> gcollura, np :)
[15:00] <jgdx> mandel, the pause fix?
[15:00] <mandel> jgdx, yes, the pause fix
[15:01] <jgdx> mandel, I was planning on doing it through the spreadsheet. Not sure what silo we'd get. Still waiting on CI
[15:01] <jgdx> row 55 in the sheet
[15:01] <mandel> jgdx, ok
[15:26] <sturmflut-work> popey: I just noticed that I can't even manually install the libsdl2-dev package on my device - it is simply not part of the http://derived.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu-rtm/ archive. Which channel is your device on and which archive(s) does it use?
[15:27] <awe_> jgdx, what's the status on the system-settings Set3G UI change?  Were you able to rework after seeing abeato's explanation of the way the props work?  We need to land the ofono changes asap, and really can't afford to delay past today
[15:27] <jgdx> awe_, waiting on positive review from ken.
[15:28] <awe_> jgdx, any chance that'll happen today?
[15:28] <jgdx> seb128, do you have a chance to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/tech-switch/+merge/246503 ?
[15:29] <mpt> pmcgowan, john-mcaleely: Hi, has there been any progress on version numbering since your comments in bug 1385339?
[15:30] <pmcgowan> mpt, not that I am aware of
[15:30] <mpt> It’s bothersome that giving both the release version and the image version isn’t enough to identify an image
[15:31] <pmcgowan> mpt, my view is that it really is
[15:31] <pmcgowan> let me re-read
[15:32] <Wellark> jgdx: sorry, which bug?
[15:32] <jgdx> Wellark, bug 1411714
[15:32] <jgdx> awe_, gimme 10 minutes to figure that out
[15:33] <awe_> jgdx, ack
[15:34] <krisabsinthe42> need to get a new phone, have Nexus 4. I might just wait for that BQ
[15:34] <jgdx> awe_, it's likely.
[15:35] <seb128> jgdx, do you know why CI failed?
[15:35] <jgdx> seb128, seems adb did not yield any devices
[15:35] <seb128> jgdx, it's not a trivial review, I've a meeting now, not sure I can review today but I can tomorrow otherwise
[15:36] <jgdx> seb128, sure thing. I'll ping you tomorrow if I can't get any eyes on it today.
[15:36] <mpt>  😌 15:36:08@~> ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels
[15:36] <mpt> the required flag `--device' was not specified
[15:36] <mpt>  😠 15:36:15@~> ubuntu-device-flash query --device --list-channels
[15:36] <mpt> A query option is requrired
[15:36] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[15:36] <Wellark> awe_: have you seen bug 1411714
[15:36] <mpt> ಠ_ಠ
[15:37] <awe_> Wellark, no
[15:37] <Wellark> awe_: the logs contain scary messages from ofonod
[15:37]  * awe_ looking
[15:38] <awe_> right... yes I did see it
[15:38] <awe_> jgdx, weren't you were going to get rid of the pastebin "steps-to-reproduce"?
[15:38] <mpt> So <https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/> is out of date, and it has no author or feedback info
[15:38] <awe_> abeato, did you ever try to reproduce the problem that jgdx brought up last week?
[15:39] <awe_> ( ie. repeatedly switching the 3g capability back and forth eventually led to badness )
[15:39] <pmcgowan> mpt, added a comment from an email thread but I think john and I still are not in agreement on needing the channel info, your input is welcome
[15:39] <jgdx> awe_, wut, I remember doing that. Not saving though. One sec
[15:39] <awe_> jgdx, thank
[15:40] <abeato> awe_, I've tried when testing latest package in spreadsheet, using the ofono script
[15:40] <abeato> but maybe not that many executions
[15:40] <john-mcaleely> mpt,  not that I'm aware of
[15:41] <awe_> abeato, and can't reproduce?
[15:41] <abeato> awe_, no, but I'll try harder now
[15:41] <awe_> jgdx, can you reproduce on RTM, or only devel-proposed?
[15:42] <jgdx> awe_, only devel-proposed so far
[15:43] <awe_> right, but we're trying to land in RTM...
[15:43]  * awe_ thinks this should be the focus of any efforts to reproduce
[15:44] <mpt> jgdx, it turns out that “ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels” doesn’t work after all :-]
[15:44] <mpt> and I haven’t figured out what does
[15:45] <jgdx> mpt, WFM :) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9795343/
[15:45] <awe_> Wellark, not sure what you meant by scary log messages, both syslogs looks fine to me
[15:45] <mpt> jgdx, what is this “--device krillin” wizardry
[15:45] <awe_> Wellark, when Set3G capability is swapped, the modems are both reset
[15:46] <jgdx> mpt, I guess it makes sense? channels can perhaps be device specific?
[15:46] <mpt> oh crikey
[15:46] <davmor2> channel are device specific
[15:46] <jgdx> there ya go
[15:46] <awe_> mpt, it's because the script couldn't properly detect krillin
[15:46] <awe_> whereas it can detect mako
[15:46] <mpt> Does that mean an image with the same revision number, in the same release, in a channel with the same name, can have different contents depending on what device it’s targeting?
[15:47] <john-mcaleely> mpt, yes
[15:47] <awe_> the tarballs are different
[15:47] <awe_> s/tarballs/device tarballs/
[15:49] <abeato> jgdx, awe_ what I've seen after a couple of iterations is that network-indicator shows one of the SIMs as disconnected while list-modems output looks fine
[15:49] <abeato> jgdx, was that the behaviour you noticed?
[15:49] <jgdx> abeato, correct
[15:49] <jgdx> abeato, but also that FM and wifi in the indicator are broken
[15:50] <awe_> jgdx, but your bug says that both SIMs show as "disconnected"
[15:50] <abeato> jgdx, oh...
[15:50] <abeato> Wellark, ^^
[15:50] <jgdx> awe_, from a indicator pov, yes?
[15:51] <awe_> what do you mean by FM and WiFi are broken?  They show disabled when the should show enabled?
[15:51] <mpt> So unique version identifier = Ubuntu release × device codename × channel × (build number + customization)
[15:51] <abeato> well, in my case it is only one, but probably it can happen for both I guess
[15:51] <abeato> that looks like i-network crash
[15:51] <jgdx> awe_, the switches does not work in that they are reverted after ~two seconds
[15:52] <awe_> ok, would you mind adding that to the bug?
[15:52] <Wellark> is there a crash file?
[15:52] <awe_> I'll discuss during the stand-up, but that said..I'm not feeling very warm & fuzzy about landing this
[15:52] <jgdx> awe_, pretty sure it's there
[15:52] <jgdx> under 4), but you want it mroe verbose?
[15:53] <jgdx> s/mroe/more
[15:53] <awe_> nah, after a second read, it makes sense
[15:54] <Wellark> awe_: scary:
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: We are polling CLCC and received an error
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: All bets are off for call management
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: ril_data_reg_cb: DATA_REGISTRATION_STATE reply failure: GENERIC_FAILURE
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: Unable to read waiting messages numbers from SIM
[15:55] <jgdx> awe_, clarified.
[15:55] <awe_> thanks
[15:55] <abeato> Wellark, the request failure happens usually after a modem reset, next requests work fine
[15:55] <abeato> Wellark, and the "Unable to read" just means that file is not on the sim
[15:55] <abeato> Wellark, all in all normal messages
[15:55] <Wellark> abeato: ok.
[15:56] <Wellark> they still look scary :)
[15:56] <Wellark> jgdx: when you pasted the syslog
[15:56] <Wellark> did you try the flightmode and wifi switches during that log capture
[15:56] <abeato> yeah, happens to me too ;)
[15:56] <jgdx> Wellark, no
[15:57] <Wellark> and also is there a i-network crash file under /var/crash
[15:57] <Wellark> or is apport running trying to create one
[15:57] <jgdx> Wellark, yea
[15:57] <jgdx> Wellark, uploaded
[15:59] <Wellark> jgdx: can't see..
[16:02] <Wellark> awe_: was there a urfkill helper script jgdx could use to poke urfkill? given that the wlan interface is away and the flightmode and wifi switches in i-network fail to activate, I would love to verify that urfkill has not gotten stuck
[16:03] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work: that is the safe, but not so cheap solution.
[16:04] <jgdx> Wellark, crash file uploaded
[16:05] <abeato> Wellark, managed to reproduce it on my side too, i-network crash found
[16:05] <abeato> Wellark, jgdx bug to upload it?
[16:05] <jgdx> abeato, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1411714
[16:06] <abeato> jgdx, thanks
[16:07] <Wellark> abeato, jgdx: if i-network crashes, it should restart
[16:07] <Wellark> is everything returning to normal after that restart?
[16:07] <abeato> Wellark, not always apparently
[16:07] <awe_> Wellark, poke urfkill?  You mena like the urfkill scripts that are normally installed in /usr/share/urfkill/scripts?  ;)-
[16:07] <jgdx> mandel, Wellark no
[16:08] <jgdx> mandel, bad tab, sorry. However, how's local testing going?
[16:08] <mandel> jgdx, ah, I was scared by such an imperative 'no'
[16:08] <mandel> jgdx, it does build correctly, will run the tests as soon as I'm done with the meeting (standup)
[16:09] <abeato> Wellark, crash uploaded
[16:10] <jgdx> mandel, I get a thumbs up here. ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_datetime.TimeDateTestCase.test_same_tz_selection does not fail on my krillin using debs from your MR
[16:10] <mandel> \o/
[16:10] <mandel> jgdx, can you test that the downloads are paused?
[16:11] <mandel> jgdx, in rtm, I think using the silo deb would be ok (I'll do a test to)
[16:11] <jgdx> mandel, pauses like a champ
[16:12] <mandel> jgdx, double \o/ \o/
[16:12] <jgdx> mandel, :D
[16:12] <mandel> rsalveti, ^^
[16:12] <mandel> rsalveti, I'll do an extra test in a few mins
[16:13] <rsalveti> mandel: great, let me know and I will switch to request QA
[16:14] <Wellark> jgdx: abeato: when you repro the problem, please try the scripts under /usr/share/urfkill/scripts/ to verify that urfkill also behaves nicely
[16:15] <Wellark> enable/disable flightmode and enable wifi and verify that the wlan interface comes up (with ifconfig)
[16:16] <abeato> Wellark, anyway if you install rtm silo 9 you can reproduce the bug easily by using the "set-3g-slot" ofono script
[16:17] <abeato> switching back and forth 3G capability between /ril_0 and ril_1 makes this happen
[16:19] <Wellark> abeato: but it requires more than couple of switches, right?
[16:21] <awe_> jgdx, I think it's really important we try and reproduce on RTM.  If it's reproducible, then I will NAK the Set3G system-settings landing
[16:22] <awe_> I just did a fresh flash of RTM on my krillin, so will try to reproduce
[16:22] <abeato> Wellark, I've seen it after the third or four
[16:23] <abeato> set-3g-slot /ril_1
[16:23] <jgdx> awe_, right. Where can I find debs for rtm?
[16:23] <abeato> set-3g-slot /ril_0
[16:23] <abeato> set-3g-slot /ril_1
[16:23] <abeato> got it
[16:23] <Wellark> abeato, jgdx: I would really need a manual retrace of those .crash files. I understand that it's a lot of work though
[16:23] <abeato> jgdx, rtm silo 9
[16:23] <Wellark> so I will flash the silo and repro it myself now
[16:24] <abeato> great
[16:24] <Wellark> abeato, awe_, jgdx: is #1411714 now blocking something?
[16:25] <awe_> yes
[16:25] <Wellark> great.
[16:25] <awe_> I don't want to land the new Set3G system settings change, if the indicator will crash and end-up in an un-usable state
[16:25] <Wellark> awe_: so, this is blocking system-settings landing
[16:26] <Wellark> what is the prio of the system-settings feature bug?
[16:26] <Wellark> High or Critical?
[16:26] <awe_> well... we don't have confirmation yet ( AFAIK ) that it crashes on RTM
[16:26] <awe_> Wellark, I'm not sure... we'd need pmcgowan's call on that
[16:26] <Wellark> abeato: didn't you test on RTM?
[16:26] <awe_> I think it would probably be acceptable to land the change in OTA-1
[16:26] <abeato> Wellark, yes
[16:27] <Wellark> abeato: so you confirmed this on RTM. <-- awe_
[16:27] <abeato> yup
[16:27] <awe_> ok
[16:27] <awe_> I missed that in the noise...
[16:27] <awe_> so yea, in my opinion, we're blocked
[16:28] <Wellark> awe_, abeato, jgdx: I'll start working on a fix right now
[16:29] <Wellark> if I first can figure out what's wrong..
[16:31] <pmcgowan> awe_, what did I miss
[16:35] <mandel> jgdx, can you let me know what revision of rtm did you used to test the ppa? or did you test the deb from the branch?
[16:38] <jgdx> mandel, deb from branch
[16:38] <mandel> jgdx, ack, superb, thx :)
[16:47] <dpm> sergiusens, on the command to create your own image on http://blog.sergiusens.org/posts/Snappy%20Things/, is there somewhere the .snap packages for webdm and the oem part can be downloaded from? Or can they be built from somewhere?
[16:51] <dholbach> balloons, jdstrand, sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/click-reviewers-tools/1395204/+merge/247042 - upon looking a bit closer it turned out that our list of tests was already pretty good :-)
[16:52] <sergiusens> dpm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-examples/files/head:/beagleboneblack.element14/
[16:54] <sergiusens> dpm: and https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/webdm
[16:56] <sergiusens> dpm: I'll blog about how to build those
[16:56] <dpm> sergiusens, how do I build each one of those? The element14 one does not have a readme
[16:56] <dpm> ok, yeah, that was going to be my question :)
[16:56] <dpm> the webdm one has a readme, but it mentions click instead of snap
[16:58] <dpm> sergiusens, if I build a snap package on my development laptop and I still don't have it in the store, how can I install it manually on a device?
[17:00] <balloons> dholbach, so you think you are good for mult-arch click?
[17:01] <balloons> if so, I just need to get tvoss to finish https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1398104
[17:04] <sergiusens> dpm: with snappy-remote --url ssh://[hostname] install [package]
[17:05] <sergiusens> dpm: we should be talking on #snappy :-)
[17:05] <dpm> great, thanks sergiusens
[17:05] <ogra_> or just snappy install if you are logged in via ssh
[18:14] <boiko> pitti: hi, could you please just check what is going on here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono-phonesim/+bug/1401143
[18:15] <sturmflut-work> bschaefer: Hey! popey and /me tried to use libSDL2 on our Ubuntu Touch devices earlier and hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1402753
[18:37] <jamie_> Does anyone know if hostapd is working on Ubunut touch?
[18:38] <jamie_> *Ubuntu!
[18:38] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, yes this is true i need to get this fixed! thank you!
[20:18] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Thanks! Was it already working on the phone/tablet at some point?
[20:29] <SturmFlut> popey, mzanetti: Do you know if the App Store API has been documented and/or extended since I built the RSS feed?
[20:29] <popey> SturmFlut: james tait is the person to ask
[20:29] <popey> he breaks it now and then :)
[20:32] <SturmFlut> popey: Today I came up with the idea that it would be nice to know the most searched keywords in the App Store
[20:33] <popey> have you seen http://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps ?
[20:33] <SturmFlut> popey: Nice!
[20:35] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, yups!
[20:35]  * popey is itching to try out some SDL goodness :)
[20:35]  * SturmFlut too
[20:38] <adrian47> hello, i am porting ut, should i use flipped mode? or android image must be prepared especially first?
[20:39] <popey> our porting guide is horribly out of date
[20:40] <popey> But I hear a rumour it's being re-written!
[20:48] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Does libSDL2 also support OpenGL on Mir?
[20:48] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, only on the desktop!
[20:48] <bschaefer> gles on the phone
[20:49] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, Dota2 working on mir :): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAWVFAIaleQ&feature=youtu.be
[20:52] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Ah, yes, I remember that video.
[21:06] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, now its a matter of waiting :): https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/libsdl/sdl2-needs-rebuild-mir/+merge/247070
[21:07] <SturmFlut> ...and now we play the waiting game...
[21:08] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Thanks a lot. It is 10PM here in Europe anyways, /me should go to sleep
[21:09] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, cya, and thanks for poking me about that! (Slightly forgot!)
[21:09] <bschaefer> have a good night!
[21:24] <taiebot> Any luck that we get the Nearby, today and news scope on the nexus 4 ? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/aggregator-scopes-ubuntu-phone
[21:29] <aquarius> How do I ssh into my phone over the network?
[21:29] <aquarius> (I know I can do it from Ubuntu SDK if it's connected by wire.)
[21:30] <sander^home> which way is recommended to connect an screen and keyboard?
[21:32] <aquarius> specifically, when I *try* to connect by ssh I get "Permission denied (publickey)". But Ubuntu SDK can manage it; which public key is it using?
[21:37] <pmcgowan> aquarius, take a look at what phablet-shell is doing
[21:45] <pmcgowan> aquarius, i disconnected so not sure you saw my suggestion
[21:48] <aquarius> pmcgowan, huh, phablet-shell, eh? Didn't know that existed :)
[21:48] <pmcgowan> aquarius, many good phablet-* commands
[21:49] <aquarius> bah. phablet-shell is doing some sort of adb thing
[21:49] <pmcgowan> I think it has some ssh options like dont check the key
[21:49] <aquarius> ah but your point is: see which key it uses
[21:53] <aquarius> haha, nice one pmcgowan, that solved the problem
[21:53] <aquarius> :)
[21:54] <pmcgowan> aquarius, cool
[21:58] <aquarius> have just discovered, immensely annoyingly, that processes run in the Terminal app get suspended.
[22:07] <SturmFlut> aquarius: All apps get suspended when they lose focus AFAIK
[22:22] <SturmFlut> bschaefer, popey: Okay, couldn't sleep and tried to just "apt-get source libsdl2-dev" and then "sbuild --build=amd64 --host=armhf -d utopic libsdl2_2.0.2+dfsg1-6ubuntu1.dsc" on my development machine to rebuild the package locally
[22:22] <SturmFlut> bschaefer, popey: The resulting library doesn't seem to containt the Mir backend, am I doing it wrong?
[22:23] <chrisc> hi, is anyone working on a app to install a debian chroot?
[22:24] <chrisc> i want to set one up to be able to install additional cli programes
[22:24] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm well it usually picks up the mir back end dynamically
[22:24] <bschaefer> buuut it should be built with it.. are you missing
[22:25] <bschaefer> sudo apt-get build-dep libsdl2 and sudo apt-get install libmirclient-dev?
[22:25] <aquarius> SturmFlut, yeah, I know, but I was hoping that that didn't happen with stuff running in the terminal. It does, it turns out.
[22:27] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: AFAICT sbuild downloads and installs libmircommon-dev:armhf, libmirclient-dev:armhf and libmirclient8:armhf into the schroot before building the package
[22:29] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: But if I copy the resulting libSDL2-2.0.so.0.2.0 over to my device, it never tries to dlopen libmirclient8.so, as opposed to the version form the package in the archive
[22:33] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm what does configure say when its being built?
[22:33] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, urg i think another issue is mir changed from using int ---> MirBool
[22:33] <bschaefer> which is causing issues when attempting to load dlsym
[22:36] <SturmFlut> chrisc: I would say you don't need an app for that. You can log into the device using adb shell or using a similar method, make the image writeable, "apt-get install debootstrap" and then use debootstrap like on any other machine.
[22:39] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9799021/
[22:40] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: configure is called with --enable-video-mir --enable-mir-shared and doesn't seem to complain
[22:40] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, try disable-mir-shared
[22:40] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, i think the types are wrong atm
[22:50] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: So it is probably also broken on the desktop at the moment?
[22:51] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm possibly? I need to take trunk sdl2 mir and move it into the ubuntu version
[22:51] <bschaefer> i've a few fixes in there
[22:52] <popey> :(
[22:57] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Okay, thanks. If you need a tester, just ping me with instructions :)
[22:57] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, alright, thanks!


[14:14] <_stink_> i got a 404 on that link
[14:15] <_stink_> it's still available thanks to the google: https://engineering.virginia.edu/news/2021/04/defenseless
[14:15] <_stink_> 11:52 < cmaloney> speculative execution considered harmful
[14:15] <_stink_> Day changed to 02 May 2021
[14:15] <_stink_> haha
[14:15] <_stink_> 15:48 -!- wolfger<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[14:15] <_stink_> bad paste
[14:16] <_stink_> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_PrABNZYp_AJ:https://engineering.virginia.edu/news/2021/04/defenseless+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[14:16] <cmaloney> _stink_: good morning ;)
[14:16] <_stink_> :P
[14:16] <wolfger> I did not quit!
[14:16] <_stink_> quitter!
[14:17] <wolfger> Also wondering why you copied that. LOL
[14:17] <cmaloney> posterity
[14:21] <_stink_> yes i manually copy paste all contents from this channel into a MS word document
[14:22] <_stink_> naw, i am running a barebones window manager so the old school highlight-to-copy and paste-with-middle-click is still how i do it
[14:23] <_stink_> i inadvertently highlighted right before middle click
[14:23] <_stink_> thank you X
[14:35] <cmaloney> heh
[19:33] <jrwren> i can't remember the name of a program, i think ubuntu only, which wrapped qemu or kvm or libvirt and made it very easy to start a new ubuntu vm via cmdline. Does anyone know?
[19:34] <jrwren> ubuvm maybe? i guess it is gone.
[19:38] <jrwren> uvtool!


[01:48] <Bedlore> Hi all, I did an upgrade to 22.04.01 and it worked well, however the desktop is still running xfce, any advice on how to jump to the correct version?
[01:49] <oerheks> ubuntu studio uses KDE now, reinstall please
[01:49] <Bedlore> so no way to migrate in a live sitation?
[01:49] <Bedlore> bummer since everything else appears to still work well
[01:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Bedlore: If you read the release notes, we only support reinstall due to the change in desktop environment from 22.04.
[01:55] <Bedlore> yes I did read that and understood, I just assumed I wasn't the only person on the planet wanting to try and migrate a live system and accept the risks
[02:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Bedlore: You might try logging out, going to a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-F3), login, sudo apt autoremove, go back to the login screen (ctrl-alt-F1) select KDE Plasma as the login session, and login.
[02:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> It might be that you have both sessions installed still, but I don't know. Upgrading in-place from 20.04 to 22.04 is unsupported and untested.
[02:31] <Bedlore> Cheers Eickmeyer[m], I'll backup and give it a go, might end up reinstalling of course, but this desktop has sooo many services/custom things happening it would be nice if I succeed
[02:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Bedlore: I get it, 100%. Back everything up.
[13:40] <tarzeau> did anyone have a chance to give photoqt a try? any feedback? (ubuntustudio worthy?)
[13:40] <tarzeau> and vimix?
[13:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> tarzeau: Not exactly. Let me give them a shot today and see.
[13:45] <tarzeau> Eickmeyer[m]: thanks! and i was wondering how interest in shotcut and olive-editor are, as well as not yet packaged natron (itp ready, builds and works)
[13:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> tarzeau: We had shotcut, and it duplicates a lot of the function of kdenlive. While it's already in the repo and easy to install, we can't over-bloat our live .iso with it (two video editors).
[13:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> We're trying to cut-down to one item per function.
[13:46] <tarzeau> i can understand that, no problem (i've read about size constraints for the last 12 months)
[13:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> The size constraints aren't an issue anymore (iso-level=3 was implemented, allowing a squashfs > 4GB) but one of our criticisms is the sheer size anyhow.


[23:56] <Laney> hey, need a bit of help. I've got a unit, and I need to plug the IP address of a haproxy (also a unit) into the system for $reasons. I figure that relating the two is a good way to do this, so I made a "requires: ...: interface: juju-info" on my charm. But when I relate them, "network-get <my relation name>" is returning my *local* IP and not the IP of the thing I just got related to. I thought it would give
[23:57] <Laney> me the IP I can use to connect to the other ...
[23:57] <Laney> ... side. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[23:57] <Laney> weird wrapping, sorry about that!


[01:16] <micahg> falktx: I'm not understanding the issue, why won't dssi-vst work?
[01:17] <falktx> micahg: because it's only available as 32bit
[01:17] <falktx> 32bit plugins don't work on 64bit hosts
[01:19] <micahg> if that's true, the solution for 12.04 was done wrong, the 32 bit app running on the 64 bit host can use the plugins though
[01:19]  * micahg is missing info
[01:20] <falktx> a 32bit app running on a 64bit _system_ can load 32bit plugins
[01:22] <micahg> falktx: where do these other plugins come from?
[01:22] <falktx> others?
[01:22] <len-dt> micahg, The iso failed to build because the plugins were not available to the 64bit ISO.
[01:23] <len-dt> or were not in the 64bit repo.
[01:23]  * micahg is very confused ATM
[01:23] <falktx> dssi-vst doesnt build on 64bit anymore, so it's only available as 32bit now
[01:23] <falktx> if a package depends on it, it will fail to install
[01:23] <micahg> right, with multiarch enabled, people thought this would be fine
[01:23] <micahg> no
[01:24] <falktx> not at all
[01:24] <micahg> apt-get install dssi-vst on a 64 bit system works fine
[01:24] <falktx> does 'sudo apt-get install qtractor:i386' works too?
[01:25] <micahg> nope
[01:25] <falktx> :(
[01:25] <micahg> librubberband2 isn't multiarch enabled
[01:25] <falktx> well, I wanted to fork dssi-vst anyway...
[01:26] <micahg> we'd probably take an SRU for that
[01:26] <falktx> maybe later I'll give this a fix on a new fork-code
[01:26] <micahg> falktx: please don't we can fix most issues :)
[01:26] <falktx> micahg: there is some missing funcionality I want to add there, but I know the author will not be 100% happy with it
[01:26] <micahg> oh, hrm
[01:27] <falktx> project is almost dead now anyway
[01:27] <micahg> maybe work with the upstream author to a decent compromise?
[01:27] <falktx> I'll see it in a few weeks
[01:28] <micahg> ok
[01:28] <micahg> as for the qtractor multiarch install, rubberband needs to be multiarched in Debian first
[01:29] <micahg> as does libfftw3-3
[01:29] <falktx> btw, I found out that most debian packages come with debug enabled
[01:29] <falktx> that is just awful
[01:30] <micahg> yes, but the symbols are stripped and stored in a separate package
[01:30] <falktx> lol, like it matters much
[01:30] <falktx> it shrinks in size a bit, but slowness will be there
[01:31] <falktx> qtractor is *imensily* affected by this
[01:31] <falktx> it just prints debug messages all the time...
[01:32] <micahg> that's a bug I think :)
[01:32] <falktx> no
[01:32] <falktx> if an app is configured to run in debug mode, then it will do debug-related stuff
[01:33] <micahg> right, we don't want debug mode in the build, just the debugging symbols
[01:33] <falktx> hm, why do we even want that?
[01:33] <falktx> it compromises speed
[01:33] <falktx> (and cpu)
[01:33] <micahg> well, in Ubuntu it's helpful to be able to retrace stufff
[01:34]  * micahg doesn't know all the background on it
[01:34] <falktx> I don't really think it's any good. users will complain about random xruns
[01:34] <falktx> if an app prints stuff during process callbacks, of course it will cause xruns
[01:35]  * falktx is losing hope in debian
[02:43] <len-dt> micahg, on thinking a bit, it seems to me the loss of the dssi-vst happened at the time of our change from alt to live DVD. We could include the package in the alt, but the live would not build with it. We were more interested in getting the live DVD working than trying to fix what was wrong with dssi-vst
[02:46] <len-dt> getting look and feel right after 11.10 (looked like xfce with some audio apps thrown at it) seemed more important.
[02:46] <micahg> right, you could only include it on the i386 image
[02:46] <len-dt> Ya
[02:47] <len-dt> We have never relooked at the problem since
[02:47] <len-dt> So, if we go to where we wanted, with a more minimal install and add workflows later it would probably work again.
[02:51] <len-dt> micahg, not having Scott around to bounce things off of has slowed us down a bit.
[02:51] <len-dt> That should change soon
[07:27] <ailo_> len-dt: I can't seem to get PA to rise above 3.5 MB in memory use.
[13:35] <knome> astraljava, milove!
[13:46] <scott-work> thanks knome
[13:46] <scott-work> hi astraljava
[19:57] <len-dt> ailo, (to answer your question from before) PA normally takes about 6M of ram
[19:58] <len-dt> when jack runs (and the pa-jack bridge loads) that goes up to about 108M
[20:00] <len-dt> a2j uses 105M btw.
[20:13] <ailo> That's weird
[20:13] <ailo> I noticed qjackctl had been updated for Wheezy, so I expect it has been for Quantal as well
[20:14] <len-dt> I think it is something to do with the jacklibs
[20:14] <ailo> I also noticed the new config option "Stop JACK audio server on application exit"
[20:15] <ailo> So, I assume it just makes sure to kill jackdbus if active
[20:15] <ailo> Which is good
[20:15] <len-dt> jack-dssi-host uses 105M
[20:15] <ailo> With what?
[20:15] <len-dt> hexter inside uses only 12m
[20:16] <len-dt> They show up separately
[20:16] <ailo> Yeah
[20:16] <len-dt> It seems the lib that allows connecting to jack grabs a chunk of memory (the libs themselves are not that big)
[20:18] <falktx__> len-dt: you're confusing app-memory vs shared memory
[20:18] <len-dt> So even on a 2G system, pulsebridge and a2j together are already using 10% of the ram. That is ok if you are using them but not if you don't need them.
[20:18] <len-dt> could be.
[20:18] <falktx__> when an app uses a shared library (jack, gtk, qt, etc), it shares resources with such lib
[20:18] <falktx__> I bet any jack app will show up to use ~100Mb
[20:19] <len-dt> I'm looking at top I see a line like:  7951 len       20   0  131m 105m 104m S    3 10.5   0:06.59 jack-dssi-host
[20:19] <len-dt> the 104 is shared.
[20:19] <len-dt> the 105 is "res"
[20:20] <len-dt> the res value matches the app use pretty good.
[20:21] <len-dt> falktx__, so how do I read the output from top then to make the most sense?
[20:23] <ailo> len-dt: I don't know top very well, but I assume there's a way to add more categories somehow
[20:23] <ailo> I just use the system monitor
[20:24] <ailo> Only use top when I need to kill stuff basically
[20:24] <len-dt> res means "resident size"
[20:25] <len-dt> shared memory means "memory that could be potentially shared with other processes"
[20:26] <len-dt> the man page doesn't say if shared mem is included in resident size or not.
[20:28] <len-dt> I don't think so as virt includes "all code, data and shared libraries  plus  pages  that
[20:28] <len-dt>           have  been  swapped out and pages that have been mapped but not
[20:28] <len-dt>           used"
[20:30] <len-dt> On the other hand if vrt is 131m and res is 105M and shr is 104... that is confusing...
[20:31] <len-dt> ailo, do you mean like "task manager"?
[20:32] <ailo> len-dt: No. I use the gnome System Monitor
[20:32] <len-dt> task manager shows the same numbers.
[20:32] <len-dt> We don't ship that.
[20:33] <ailo> len-dt: Got curious, and found a way to display and sort commands according to % memory use
[20:33] <ailo> len-dt: ps -eo %mem,comm --sort %mem
[20:33] <ailo> The % memory is accurate, so it's not shared memory
[20:34] <len-dt> same numbers as before.
[20:34] <ailo> You're right
[20:34] <ailo> Damn :P
[20:35] <ailo> But the gnome System Monitor is showing the right values under "Memory" anyway
[20:36] <ailo> I would assume the XFCE task manager can be set to show more categories
[20:36] <len-dt> "right" meaning?
[20:36] <len-dt> BTW I am using the kxstudio jack and qjackctl.
[20:38] <len-dt> The task manager config says I am looking at "private bytes"
[20:39] <len-dt> That sounds "unshared"... but who knows I don't always know what I am talking about, so the writer of the app may be confused.
[20:40] <ailo> len-dt: The amount of memory that this app is using alone
[20:40] <ailo> I guess "right" is not the right term
[20:41] <len-dt> So the 100M all the jack apps are using is not shared?
[20:42] <ailo> Right now, Firefox is using 324,6MB of memory, 33.5MB shared memory
[20:43] <ailo> jackdbus 7.5 memory, 82.5 shared memory
[20:45] <len-dt> ailo, is your system 32bit or 64?
[20:45] <ailo> 64 bit
[20:46] <len-dt> would that be why yours is using less memory?
[20:46] <ailo> 64bit usually uses more memory
[20:46]  * len-dt has 32 bit systems
[20:46] <ailo> If you have 32 bit and need 2 GB, for 64bit you'll need 3GB
[20:47] <len-dt> for code, for storage of audio as well?
[20:47] <len-dt> I guess a gb is a gb even if you use two words for everything.
[20:48] <micahg> scott-work: BTW, any plans to release alpha1?
[20:49] <ailo> len-dt: Also, I'm on Wheezy, so there may be some differences. But, generally, it should not be that big of a difference
[20:49] <ailo> At least not what the audio apps are concerned
[20:50] <ailo> len-dt: I have no idea what format "memory" really is in System Manager. I can't seem to find the same format using ps
[20:50] <len-dt> ailo it is 10% to 15%, not that big. I will try on the stock US machine too.
[20:52] <ailo> As for Firefox memory, it of course depends on what you are using it for. Usually, it grows with time. I often get over 1GB of memory
[20:53] <ailo> Thunderbird uses up a lot too
[20:54] <len-dt> my FF is 559 virt, but only 99 resident size and 28mshared
[20:54] <micahg>  4231 micah     20   0 2447m 1.5g  40m R  100  6.2 602:17.86 firefox-trunk
[20:54] <micahg> that's with ~700 tabs
[20:55] <micahg> Firefox 13+ will have lower memory usage in restored sessions
[21:00] <ailo> micahg: Doesn't it get really slow for you?
[21:00] <micahg> nope
[21:01] <ailo> I find that some pages make scrolling pages really slow
[21:01] <micahg> then again, I don't run on a "normal" machine
[21:02] <micahg> ailo: those would either be bugs or configuration issues
[21:02] <micahg> if it's reproducible, feel free to report a bug with ubuntu-bug firefox (you might want to try firefox-trunk first to see if it's been fixed already)
[21:02] <SergeLion> zramswap increases the effective amount of RAM roughly by 50%, it saved me back when Firefox 4 leaked gigabytes
[21:03] <ailo> micahg: Could be a driver bug
[21:03] <SergeLion> nowadays lastest stable Firefox uses twice less memory than Chromium for opening Gmail
[21:08] <ailo> I had an update today that fixed a problem I was having with flash (some videos were overly blue), and it does seem like behaviour has changed for firefox as well.  And did so for other pages too, when I had heavy java or flash (one or both of them) loaded. Seems to be gone now. Only those pages are twitchy now
[21:09] <ailo> Only those pages are twitchy that are "heavy"
[21:14] <Len-nb> ailo, interesting, on my netbook the same apps are using 82-85M
[21:22] <ailo> Len-nb: I'm reading up on Linux memory management. Shared memory is things that are shared between multiple applications, such as bash. I don't know the extent of it. I guess it would be correct to say an application is using all of that memory, but if you close the application, much of that is still used by other applications, or perhaps by the OS itself
[21:23] <ailo> Also, virtual memory is not actual hardware memory
[21:23] <Len-nb> ailo, ya, I figured that much.
[21:24] <ailo> If you make a sum of all the virtual memory allocated, it's far larger than the RAM you have installed
[21:24] <Len-nb> virtual includes swapped mem
[21:24] <ailo> Or, could be far larger, but it's how it is for me right now anyway
[21:25] <ailo> Firefox does not seem to share a lot with the system
[21:25] <ailo> While jackdbus and other apps seem to share quite a lot
[21:25] <micahg> nope, firefox uses bundled libraries for most things
[21:27] <Len-nb> virt should be... swapped+res or swapped+private+shared?
[21:28] <Len-nb> nope. my swap is showing 0.
[21:30] <ailo> Len-nb: I'm reading this old page http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/mm/memory.html
[21:40] <Len-nb> It appears that if stuff is read off the disk that is read only, it is not swapped out, but rather just over written and reloaded from the same file if needed again.
[21:40] <Len-nb> I wonder how swappiness affects that?
[21:41] <Len-nb> Anyway, I'm off...
[21:46] <ailo> len-dt: Virtual memory is simply specific to the application. Doesn't really matter if it's swapped or not
[21:50] <ailo> len-dt: Something I conclude from watching the different categories in System Monitor. Resident Memory is roughly the sum of shared memory + writable memory. Writable memory is roughly the size of "memory".
[21:52] <ailo> It seems uncommon that any shared memory is writable by the application.
[21:53] <ailo> Or perhaps doesn't happen at all. I don't know
[21:53] <ailo> The trick here is to know what the shared memory consists of. What libraries, etc
[21:58] <ailo> If I start jackd, and have no other audio applications running, total hardware memory usage increases by about 8 MB
[21:59] <ailo> Still, writable memory is about 30MB, and shared is about 82
[22:03] <ailo> The same from a new login. So..
[22:04] <ailo> At least I can conclude that starting jackd does not load very much into RAM
[22:08] <ailo> Starting Hexter will make the sum rise with about 4MB, which is what the two processes have as a sum in writable memory
[22:08] <ailo> So, jack + hexter (+ jack-dssi-host) makes the sum of my RAM usage grow with less than 20MB
[22:31] <ailo> len-dt: This seems like an ok wiki http://linux-mm.org/
[22:32] <astraljava> Hey scott-work, How ya doin'?</Joey>


[09:20] <padv> Can somebody mark the linux-goldfish part to Confirmed in LP:#1256822
[09:27] <padv> LP #1256822
[09:28] <padv> #1256822
[09:29] <padv> Can somebody set status of linux-goldfish part to Confirmed in LP #1256822


[17:06] <phillw> Hiyas, when you all get over your hangovers from New Years Eve celebrations, could someone post up the date / time of the next meeting both in topic and on the wiki page, thanks.