[12:43] <do3meli> anyone able to tell me how to activate debug logging for a specific module?
[16:56] <smoser1> do3meli: you can't turn it on per module like that.
[16:56] <smoser1> generally at this point DEBUG gets written to /var/log/cloud-init.log
[16:57] <smoser1> youc an run individual modules: cloud-init single --name=apt_configure --frequency=always
[16:57] <do3meli> thanks smoser1, i realized that and found the correct log file later on ;-)
[17:00] <smoser1> do3meli: your mp at https://code.launchpad.net/~d-info-e/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340112 needs to be rebased to master
[17:00] <smoser1> git fetch origin
[17:00] <smoser1> (or git fetch upstream)
[17:00] <smoser1> dependening on what is the name of the upstream one
[17:00] <smoser1> then
[17:00] <smoser1> git checkout master
[17:00] <smoser1> git merge --ff-only
[17:00] <smoser1> git checkout salt-freebsd-patch
[17:00] <smoser1> git rebase -i master
[17:02] <do3meli> hmm de rebase would just pick 2 commits:
[17:03] <do3meli> pick dbc395c salt-minion module now works on FreeBSD
[17:03] <do3meli> pick bee5b16 adjust formatting
[17:03] <do3meli> would that be correct?
[17:05] <smoser1> correct
[17:05] <smoser1> those are the 2 commits that you have made
[17:05] <smoser1> right ?
[17:05] <smoser1> and you just want those moved on top of master
[17:05] <smoser1> we *had* fixed the deb install issue you saw in trunk
[17:05] <smoser1> but you are off an older version of trunk, so you dont have that fix.
[17:19] <smoser> do3meli: that make sene ?
[17:19] <smoser> sense
[17:23] <do3meli> hmmm...really. i am confused. because created a brand new branch from upstream/master (in my case origin. but its the upstream)
[17:24] <do3meli> i followed the steps in HACKING.rst as you mentioned to me yesterday.
[17:25] <do3meli> well. anyway. let me try again ;-)
[18:11] <smoser> powersj, rharper, blackboxsw, dpb1 . i think i had written this somewhere before. but... lost it.
[18:11] <smoser> https://hackmd.io/KwUwDAnAxgJgbARgLQA4DsAzCSAsBDHFVCBDJKNPAIzmDQgGY0pgg[18:12] <smoser> that is just a copy-and-paste if a user contributes that has not signed CLA.
[20:50] <Odd_Bloke> It looks like the most recent cloud-init in artful doesn't handle GCE user data any longer.
[20:50] <Odd_Bloke> I'm filing a bug now (unless someone points me at an existing one).
[20:51] <blackboxsw> ok odd_bloke, ssh handling is a bit different in gce now. certain expired keys removed etc.
[20:51] <blackboxsw> please file away, will check details. 'ubuntu-bug cloud-init'
[20:53] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1752711
[20:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1752711 in cloud-init "cloud-init no longer processes user data on GCE in artful" [Undecided,New]
[20:53] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, this seems more fundamental than that.
[20:54] <blackboxsw> thanks looking now
[20:54] <Odd_Bloke> Hopefully I'm just doing something wrong.
[20:54] <Odd_Bloke> That wasn't filed with ubuntu-bug; is there a way I can add the ubuntu-bug information after the fact?
[20:56] <blackboxsw> cloud-init collect-logs
[20:56] <rharper>  #/bin/sh
[20:56] <rharper> that's missing the the bang, no ?
[20:57] <smoser> Odd_Bloke: apport_collect
[20:57] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: ^ cloud-init collect-logs:   that'll grab a tarfile of all data/logs to attach to bugs when filed after the fact
[20:57] <smoser> err... apport-collect
[20:57] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: Ah, yeah, so it is.
[20:57] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: We are seeing this in automated testing as well, which doesn't have that typo.
[20:57] <Odd_Bloke> (Also, would that cause cloud-init to not even store it in /var/lib/cloud?)
[20:57] <rharper> huh, the % cat thingy made me thing it was a real cat
[20:58] <rharper> nothing in /var/lib/cloud at all ?
[20:58] <rharper> did cloud-init run ? cloud-init status says ?
[20:58] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: That was a real cat from the actual file I manually ran this with.
[20:59] <rharper> ok, then the file is broken, it's not going to execute, right ?
[20:59] <Odd_Bloke> I've just reproduced with the bang.
[21:02] <rharper> ok, did you use something else besides /tmp ?
[21:02] <rharper> systemd likes to clean /tmp and /var/tmp for you
[21:03] <rharper> touch /ubuntu-is-awesome
[21:08] <Odd_Bloke> Trying now.
[21:09] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, still not working.
[21:10] <rharper> ok; and any way to get the logs of those and attached ?
[21:12] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, will do so after this meeting.
[21:28] <smoser> blackboxsw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s7DQJrvTKn/
[21:29] <blackboxsw> smoser there's aslo a 2nd part that handled encoded user-data
[21:29] <smoser> its there still
[21:30] <blackboxsw> ahh right you're paste manipulates that content
[21:37] <rharper> smoser: blackboxsw: Odd_Bloke: It looks like the recent change to GCE source dropped setting md['user-data'] since the introduction of recursive query of instance/attributes URL;
[21:38] <rharper> blackboxsw is confirming
[21:38] <Odd_Bloke> Ack.
[21:38] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks for the speedy response. :)
[21:39] <blackboxsw> smoser your fix is good.
[21:40] <smoser> the main is useful :)
[21:40] <rharper> yes
[21:40] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340248
[21:40] <smoser> i'll add a unit test
[21:43] <blackboxsw> smoser: when's EOD for you ? I will shepherd that in once I re-test on gce with changes. Also time to  expand our manual tests to include  user-data on all clouds
[21:43] <smoser> ok. i have 20 minutes.
[21:43]  * blackboxsw will flag regression to stop xenial from getting an update
[21:43] <blackboxsw> (given that it's blocked
[21:44] <blackboxsw> good pt. will deploy and check
[21:49] <smoser> blackboxsw: good. thanks.
[21:49] <blackboxsw> yeah bionic is good, I see things working there in bionic.
[21:49] <blackboxsw> checking the changeset
[21:49] <smoser> why would it work in bionic?
[22:03] <blackboxsw> strike that on bionic, I provided the same #cloud-config\n hostname: <myname>  as when I used gcloud to create the instance. so I mistakenly thought user-data was observed.   It is not: bionic fail too
[22:20] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: thanks for the bug, I just refiled one with the regression tags etc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1752729 and dup'd yours
[22:20] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1752711 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Artful) "duplicate for #1752729 cloud-init no longer processes user data on GCE in artful" [Critical,Confirmed]
[22:21] <blackboxsw> landing the fix today. bionic should be fixed by tomorrow and we'll SRU a cherry pick to artful
[22:21] <blackboxsw> landing the fix today. bionic should be fixed by tomorrow and we'll SRU a cherry pick to artful/xenial
[22:22] <Odd_Bloke> Ack, thanks!
[22:23] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: do your automated tests run against bionic?
[22:24] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: They do, but we've been having problems in the pipeline before we get to GCE image publication/test.
[22:24] <blackboxsw> ahh gotcha.
[22:49] <blackboxsw> smoser: bionic merge is up https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340252
[22:49] <blackboxsw> and your fix has landed in tip
[23:09] <blackboxsw> xenial cherry pick https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340256
[23:10] <blackboxsw> artful cherry pick https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340255


[00:43] <intangir> i was running do-release-upgrade and i accidently hit ctrl-C and it CUT OUT OF THE WHOLE UPGRADE PROCESS after it had already halfway finished installing new packages....
[00:43] <intangir> now it still has a lock on my package system
[00:43] <intangir> and i cant restart the existing deal
[00:44] <urlin2u> intangir, try this command sudo apt-get -f install
[00:46] <urlin2u> intangir, maybe this one first  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:46] <intangir> doesnt work
[00:46] <intangir> let me try that one..
[00:46] <pangolin> delete the lock file
[00:46] <intangir> says its locked
[00:46] <intangir> it still shows the old process running in ps
[00:47] <pangolin> kill it
[00:47] <intangir> it shows a maasssiiiiive install, it was updating config files
[00:47] <intangir> can i recover it somehow?
[00:47] <intangir> it wasnt done
[00:47] <intangir> it found a diff between two config files, let me drop into a shell
[00:47] <intangir> said press exit when done..
[00:47] <intangir> so i started typing a command, typed it wrong, hit Ctrl-C
[00:47] <intangir> and it just EXITED OUT OF THE WHOLE THING....
[00:48] <pangolin> why are you yelling
[00:48] <intangir> normally it just aborts the current command, goes back to shell. same user, same privilege, same shell
[00:48] <pangolin> ctrl-c whether by mistake or not is supposed to cancel the running process.
[00:48] <intangir> but this time it aborted the entire root shell, the root install, the upgrade, the ... major system changing upgrade...
[00:48] <intangir> it was a running shell
[00:48] <intangir> normally it doesnt exit a shell
[00:49] <intangir> is there no way to recover the process? if its still running?
[00:53] <intangir> im pretty freaked out this is a really full featured server with dozens of important services...
[00:53] <intangir> and i apparently just botched the upgrade....
[00:55] <jbicha> intangir: try ps aux | grep dpkg or grep apt
[00:56] <jbicha> and then you can kill whatever processes those are (please don't complain to me if this doesn't help)
[00:56] <jbicha> and then try sudo dpkg --configure -a and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade as needed until the upgrade finishes
[00:57] <intangir> this is why i hate upgrading....
[00:58] <intangir> that seems to have worked
[00:58] <intangir> what does that command do? reconfigure all the packages?
[00:59] <jbicha>  the first command should finish configuring the packages that are in the process of being installed
[00:59] <intangir> oh thats perfect
[00:59] <intangir> thanks man!!
[01:00] <jbicha> there's probably a bug there that should be reported and fixed...
[01:01] <jbicha> I had to take those steps because upgrading over ssh seems to be especially fragile
[01:02] <intangir> you really saved my ass
[01:02] <intangir> ya im upgrading over ssh, in screen..
[01:02] <intangir> but it wasnt a connection problem just .. weird bash normally doesnt exit on ctrl-C
[01:02] <intangir> it just aborts your current command
[01:03] <intangir> maybe it wasnt bash
[01:03] <jbicha> well maybe the upgrade script is wrong
[01:05] <intangir> anyway i got thru it, except 1 package failed for some reason, hasnt worked much lately anyway.. its zoneminder
[01:05] <intangir> guess i can just reinstall it after im done
[01:05] <intangir> i dont think the camera it monitors even works anymore anyway..
[01:05] <intangir> its very old
[01:06] <intangir> how do i see what version i have now
[01:08] <intangir> of ubuntu
[01:08] <jbicha> lsb_release -a
[01:10] <intangir> ok so i just went from lucid to maverick only, can i upgrade all the way to .. O? or is that not safe?
[01:10] <intangir> you supposed to upgrade 1 at a time?
[01:12] <jbicha> the only supported way is one at a time, except for LTS to LTS
[01:12] <intangir> oh ok
[01:12] <intangir> should i reboot between them also?
[01:12] <intangir> i havent rebooted,... this thing NEVER reboots hehe
[01:12] <intangir> its been on for like 1-2 years
[01:12] <jbicha> you should be fine, you won't get to use the new kernel without a reboot
[01:13] <intangir> my older server before this one, it COULDNT reboot anymore, the hardware was surged and the motherboard was broken, couldnt regulate some chips voltage to boot, but it ran like that for over a year before i noticed
[01:14] <dlbike76> Hi.  Is precise currently a mirror of oneiric-proposed?
[01:15] <urlin2u> dlbike76, what?
[01:17] <intangir> jbicha: i really appreciate all your help man
[01:17] <dlbike76> urlin2u:  I'm wondering about the packages in the precise archive.  Are they currently all the same as in the oneiric-proposed archive?
[01:17] <dlbike76> urlin2u:  I noticed that some are the same.
[01:18] <jbicha> dlbike76: no, some things in oneiric-proposed didn't land in precise yet
[01:18] <jbicha> and there's quite a bit in precise which will never be in oneiric-proposed
[01:19] <urlin2u> urlin2u, never heard of precise, could not tell if it was a language issue.
[01:20] <dlbike76> jbicha, urlin2u:  thanks!
[01:21] <dlbike76> I'm wondering if I can upgrade my test/development box without any major breakages.
[01:23] <jbicha> urlin2u: it's the development release that will eventually become Ubuntu 12.04
[01:23] <jbicha> !precise
[01:24] <urlin2u> jbicha, doh that makes sense.
[02:03] <intangir> would it have been too obvious to name it penguin? ;)
[02:45] <arand> intangir: Given an name like oneiric, what do you expect? :)
[02:52] <intangir> ya i dont even know what that is
[02:53] <intangir> onery oinker
[02:53] <intangir> thats what i wouldve named it
[02:53] <intangir> odiferous oinker ;)
[02:53] <intangir> hahahahaha
[02:58] <bazhang> !ot
[03:01] <intangir> oops we are disrupting the silence..
[03:10] <MTecknology> intangir: If you look up what a pangolin is, it'll make sense why that was decided instead of the obvious. off topic, but i wanted to at least mention that you should look up and see why it was decided
[03:19] <intangir> i read why before
[03:19] <intangir> something to do with it being able to survive lions ;)
[03:19] <intangir> and apple is making something named lion
[03:23] <urlin2u> intangir, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784
[03:26] <intangir> i just hope they plan this one out
[03:26] <intangir> proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance of precise pangolin
[03:26] <urlin2u> intangir, how long have you been using open source?
[03:27] <intangir> for a while
[03:28] <urlin2u> intangir, your lack of a precise hehe answer gives you away.
[03:29] <intangir> gives away that im annoyed by your question and am deliberately giving you vague answers because i can only assume my answer will be followed by a comment based on too many assumptions?
[03:29] <intangir> or is that also too much of an assumption? why do you ask
[03:31] <urlin2u> intangir, exactly; a projection is what your expecting, so you answer in a way that seems to just be a projection itself. I was just curious, with 100's of open source distro's complaing seems seldf serving is all.
[03:31] <urlin2u> self*
[03:31] <urlin2u> help or find one that makes you happy.
[03:31] <intangir> oh i was just playing on the planning, i wanted an excuse to use a phrase with a plenthora of ps
[10:29] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: seems to be an upstream-bug, so the further communication will be done over the kernel mailinglist
[11:35] <Ian_Corne> ok
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel> good afternoon folks
[17:56] <yofel> hey
[18:02] <FernandoMiguel> I've rotated the screen (ATI) https://plus.google.com/photos/110410748911890496777/albums/5666373555072049745/5666373556336182354
[18:02] <FernandoMiguel> but the touchpad isn't rotating... while the mouse is
[18:03] <FernandoMiguel> anyway to fix it ?
[18:12] <bjsnider> you goty a new laptop?
[18:15] <FernandoMiguel> no
[18:15] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[18:16] <FernandoMiguel> left it in the store to see if it can be "baked"
[18:21] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I'm not sure there is a way to automatically rotate the input - which is a shame
[18:21] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[18:22] <escott> FernandoMiguel, you can probably manually rotate with xinput
[18:23] <penguin42> ooh yes
[18:24] <penguin42> there is a Coordinate Transformation Matrix listed as a property on my input device
[18:25] <FernandoMiguel> escott: no nice UI ?
[18:29] <escott> FernandoMiguel, im not aware of any UI that would expose things like a coord transform matrix, you should just make a script that will make the xrandr and xinput calls at the same time, or try to patch whatever gui you are using for xrandr to also make calls to xinput. but i doubt that would be accepted, you are doing something funky with your hardware :)
[18:31] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: It would be nice to automate - e.g. holding a laptop on its side to read an A4 page would be nice
[18:31] <FernandoMiguel> escott: using gnome-display-properties to rotate my screen is something  funky??
[18:31] <FernandoMiguel> seems really normal
[18:32] <escott> FernandoMiguel, rotating a laptop with a fixed keyboard to use it in vertical display is a bit funky
[18:32] <FernandoMiguel> ahah
[18:32] <penguin42> escott: It works well if you're just reading a doc
[18:32] <FernandoMiguel> well all this websites that want and demand more vertical space
[18:32] <escott> FernandoMiguel, before i looked at your photo i figured this was a tablet with a touchscreen display
[18:32] <FernandoMiguel> and waste horizontal
[18:32] <FernandoMiguel> escott: it's a regular 15.4" laptop
[18:32] <FernandoMiguel> with a fixed screen
[18:33] <penguin42> escott: Tablets are just keyboard deprived laptops :-)
[18:37] <escott> FernandoMiguel, the point is if the OS had some reason to expect that the touchpad was physically attached to the display (like a touchscreen) then it would be reasonable to expect it to be rotated with the display. but when the touchpad is a normal touchpad, from the OS perspective it might as well be an external touchpad plugged into a USB port. so I don't think you can reasonably expect the xrandr gui to rotate your touchpad with th
[18:37] <escott> e display
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> I disagree.... but I can't do much about it
[18:39] <FernandoMiguel> already filed a bug two cicles ago.....
[18:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Hmm I bet you can write a simple shell script to do it
[18:40] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Given that xinput seems to be able to rotate it, and I think you could read an accelerometer or at least the gnome rotate info from somewhere you should be able to check it every few seconds
[18:40] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[18:40] <escott> FernandoMiguel, I've never seen anyone do what you are doing. so I doubt its high on anyones priority list is all. your path of least resistance is to make yourself a couple scripts. one to rotate and one to unrotate. they are two-liners so it should be easy
[18:40] <FernandoMiguel> or just create an alias to do it everytime I rotate
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> escott: I do... several times
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> but I guess I'm special like that
[18:41]  * penguin42 has wanted to do it
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> which doesn't mean more don't use it
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> still weird we have such a visible option to do it in the screen properties
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> but okay....
[18:42] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: It's not too unusual to do it on a screen on a non-laptop
[18:42] <FernandoMiguel> I remember 10 y ago to do it all the time on an intel card with wind XP.... ctrl+alt+ left/right key
[18:42] <penguin42> e.g. advertising displays and also big montiors on desks
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> sure.... where I was working the desginers used DELL LCDs in portrait
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> but those weren't stuck to a laptop :()
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> I guess mine isn't a very common case
[18:46] <FernandoMiguel> I could open a poll in the forum or something
[18:46] <FernandoMiguel> but ICGA
[18:46] <histo> !entee
[18:46] <histo> !enter


[00:13] <isnoop> Hey all.  I'm trying to auto-mount some partitions but modifying my fstab file makes the box fail to boot.  I've tested with mount -a and that works great.
[00:14] <isnoop> Here's my fstab: http://pastebin.com/JaxG51t2
[00:16] <isnoop> I'm running this in EC2, so I can take my root partition and mount it in another instance to fix it.
[00:44] <smoser> hggdh, it is not.
[00:45] <smoser> hggdh, i will try to get those hardy images uploaded tomorrow, but it might be monday
[02:55] <intel352> hey guys, i have 2 servers, both ubuntu 10.10, both running nginx from apt. on both, i have chrooted users that host nginx vhosts from their chrooted environments. one server, the jail is in /home/jail, the other it's just /jail. Nginx (as www-data) can access /home & /home/jail with no problem (and serves up files properly), but the other server, Nginx (as www-data) cannot access /jail or subdirs... Any thoughts why? /ho
[02:55] <intel352> me, /home/jail, /jail are all owned by root, same chmod on each as well...
[03:01] <intel352> fixed it, cheers
[03:41] <binaryhat> kvm seems to be shutting off my server when i am using a virtual connection
[03:49] <Mark___> Hey, i need help configuring bind on my VPS, I have gotten the rest of the server set up, i really just need to attach a domain to dit.
[03:53] <Mark___> Can anyone help me with the above mentioned question?
[05:17] <Yanksrule> !ops
[05:17] <Yanksrule> i am gangsta
[05:56] <no-name-> hi. I am using ubuntu-server with icewm and fluxbox and I would like to use it without a display manager but when I don't use a display manager I get no sound while when I do use one (xdm in this case) I do... anybody know how to get sound working without one?
[06:28] <sunit_> Can anybody tell me Ubuntu 10.04 LTS certified hardware with RAID configuration ?
[06:54] <hvnsweeting> I followed tut on FCM build the perfect server with u9.10, after installed squirrelmail, how to access it? there isn't firefox on Ubuntu Server. (I install Ubuntu server on Virtual Machine) tks!
[10:04] <tejas> q
[10:04] <tejas> bye
[10:04] <tejas> quit
[10:04] <tejas> q
[10:05] <tejas> bye
[10:05] <tejas> exit
[10:05] <tejas> #exit
[11:22] <Odaym> hello
[11:22] <Odaym> is it common to use Ubuntu Server on servers?
[11:22] <Odaym> just as reliable and solid as the next RedHat?
[11:22] <Odaym> or CentOS for example?
[11:23] <greppy> Yes, it is common.
[11:23] <greppy> Yes it is stable.
[11:23] <binBASH> And no it's not Red Hat
[11:24] <Odaym> yes of course it's not
[11:24] <binBASH> But I can tell you
[11:24] <binBASH> I switched after 10 years Red Hat to Ubuntu Server
[11:24] <Odaym> but i mean me as a not-so-knowledgeable enduser..i get the impression that RedHat is the only reliable and most powerful server out there
[11:24] <binBASH> and I'm quite happy I did that switch
[11:25] <lenios> the main difference is ubuntu does not include professional support
[11:25] <lenios> (i mean, paid support)
[11:25] <greppy> I've been using LTS releases as servers for quite a while now, works fine.
[11:25] <Odaym> but there's the forums
[11:25] <Odaym> which i depend entirely on for whatever i come across on Ubuntu
[11:26] <lenios> you'll find support, you'll just don't have official hotline
[11:26] <Odaym> ok
[11:27] <Odaym> i was at a conference about ubuntu for some friends of mine, and i didnt take the CD for the server
[11:27] <Odaym> but now that i need one, RedHat needs money and a lifetime to make it function...CentOS' netinstall is not burning on the CD properly..
[11:29] <lenios> don't you have usb key?
[11:29] <Odaym> i do
[11:30] <Odaym> i can just move it to the usb and launch from there with CentOS?
[11:30] <Odaym> doesnt it need to be identified that X was copied here as an image?
[11:31] <lenios> i can't tell you about centos, but you can put the ubuntu server iso on a usb key
[11:31] <Odaym> just place it tehre
[11:31] <Odaym> really
[11:31] <Odaym> not like...WUBI?
[11:31] <Odaym> or something like that?
[11:33] <lenios> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[11:34] <lenios> you can put the iso file on the usb key, and install grub2 on the usb key to boot it
[11:34] <Odaym> noo now its getting complicated
[11:34] <Odaym> haha
[11:34] <Odaym> ok ok
[11:34] <Odaym> do i need to worry if Meerkat is as good as other releases when it comes to the Server line?
[11:35] <lenios> it's as good as others
[11:35] <Odaym> can you tell me the command that will let me know if i am on a 64 or 32-bit machine?
[11:35] <lenios> but you won't get support and updates for 5 years as with lucid
[11:36] <lenios> uname -a
[11:36] <Odaym> Linux Hive696 2.6.35-25-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 21 17:40:48 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:36] <Odaym> i686
[11:38] <greppy> I personally use the LTS releases for servers, but you are free to go with the others :)
[11:39] <Odaym> but i686 is 32?
[11:39] <greppy> yes
[11:39] <lenios> there's also read -a infos < <(grep bits  <(lshw -C processor 2>/dev/null)) && { (( ${infos[1]} == 64 )) && echo "64 bits ready" || echo "not compatible 64 bits."; }
[11:39] <Odaym> a script to nail it, then
[11:39] <lenios> to get the information from the processor
[11:40] <Odaym> it says 64 bits ready
[11:40] <lenios> then you are running a 32 kernel on a 64 bits ready processor
[11:40] <Odaym> i see, so only my OS is 32
[11:40] <Odaym> but my machine is 64
[11:41] <lenios> yes
[11:41] <Odaym> am i losing some of my processor power because of this?
[11:41] <lenios> it depends
[11:41] <Odaym> i mean in order to take advantage of the processor's potential, should it be running a 64 OS?
[11:41] <lenios> you should yes
[11:41] <Odaym> ok
[11:42] <Odaym> and changing to the same Meerkat but on 64..this is not done through an Upgrade process?
[11:42] <Odaym> have to format entirely?
[11:42] <greppy> yes
[11:42] <greppy> it's a big change to go from 32 to 64 bit packages and kernel.
[11:42] <Odaym> but it can be done without changing any core data?
[11:42] <Odaym> my files, etc...
[11:45] <greppy> if /home is on a seperate partition, yes.
[11:45] <greppy> otherwise it's a total format.
[11:45] <Odaym> and i find that out through....free?
[11:45] <Odaym> df?
[11:46] <greppy> yeah
[11:46] <Odaym> nope, not on a separate partition
[11:46] <Odaym> FLARN!
[11:46] <Odaym> ok
[11:46] <greppy> then back stuff up first :)
[11:46] <Odaym> yep
[11:46] <lenios> you don't need to reformat
[11:46] <Odaym> like usual
[11:46] <Odaym> what then?
[11:46] <lenios> just install over the old installation
[11:47] <greppy> ah
[11:47] <lenios> without formatting the partition
[11:47] <Odaym> i will back up and try that
[11:47] <greppy> true, I'd still backup, just in case :)
[11:47] <Odaym> there is always an option to Upgrade from the installer, yea?
[11:47] <lenios> installation will warn you if you didn't backup :)
[11:47] <greppy> and if you want to make a /home partition so you don't have to worry about it in the future, that may not be a bad idea.
[11:47] <lenios> you don't want to upgrade, you want to install
[11:48] <Odaym> yes but that will give it the impression that it's a fresh copy..
[11:48] <lenios> upgrade is when you're coming from an old version
[11:49] <lenios> and you'll end up with something like a fresh copy
[11:50] <Odaym> so if i need to run a Ubuntu server, with 2 ubuntu clients, all connected to a switch
[11:50] <Odaym> and i want to be able to access them all, i will be able to through "smb:///etc..."
[11:50] <Odaym> ?
[11:50] <greppy> Odaym: if you install samba, yes.
[11:51] <greppy> well, install and configure. :)
[11:51] <Odaym> ok
[11:51] <lenios> you only want samba access?
[11:51] <RoyK> Odaym: with all ubuntu, nfs might be a better idea
[11:51] <Odaym> i dont know, i want to be able to BE the server
[11:51] <Odaym> like having a Domain on Windows
[11:52] <RoyK> NIS is the old way, LDAP the new
[11:52] <RoyK> we're still using NIS at work for historical reasons :P
[11:52] <RoyK> NIS is rather ancient, though
[11:52] <lenios> what's the use of the domain?
[11:54] <Odaym> just to try it out
[11:54] <Odaym> it's a home network
[11:54] <RoyK> if it's just a user database, it's no problem. if you want roaming profiles, that's just common mounts of homedirs.
[11:54] <lenios> do you need more than ssh?
[11:55] <RoyK> Odaym: read up on NFS first - you don't want SMB mounts in a unix network, really
[11:55] <RoyK> NFS is native to unix
[11:55] <lenios> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html
[11:56] <lenios> pretty old, sorry
[11:56] <lenios> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html
[11:56] <Odaym> ok
[11:56] <Odaym> thank you
[11:56] <lenios> page didn't change that much in 4 years though
[12:05] <RoyK> if not using nfs4, nothing much has changed :P
[12:05] <RoyK> !nfs
[12:06] <Odaym> watching a lion getting dissected on natgeo
[12:06] <Odaym> haha
[12:07] <RoyK> hm... massive protests in Algeria - perhaps they're next?
[12:07] <Odaym> really :)
[12:07] <Odaym> power to the people man
[12:09] <RoyK> let's just hope that'll be it - we haven't seen the end of this in neither Tunisia nor Egypt...
[12:09] <Odaym> sure we have
[12:09] <Odaym> Tunisia is forming a ministry
[12:09] <Odaym> a new government
[12:09] <RoyK> nope - none of them have a new government yet
[12:10] <RoyK> we don't know how that will work
[12:10] <Odaym> not yet
[12:10] <Odaym> but it's a long process
[12:10] <RoyK> we'll know in a year or so
[12:10] <Odaym> even here in Lebanon
[12:10] <lenios> as much as i like to read about it
[12:10] <lenios> !ot
[12:10] <Odaym> we dont have a fully formed government yet since we booted out the others
[12:10] <Odaym> sorry lenios
[12:10] <RoyK> :)
[12:11]  * RoyK is sorry for having gotten OT, but what's happened in Egypt is interesting...
[12:11] <lenios> it sure is, it's just OT
[12:11]  * RoyK joined the OT channel :P
[12:19] <floown> hello
[12:20] <floown> for migrate a Jaunty server to the last LTS, what should I do, please?
[12:20] <RoyK> !jaunty
[12:20] <floown> thx
[12:21] <floown> !upgrade
[12:21] <RoyK> floown: just run do-release-upgrade to take it to 9.10, then again to take it to 10.04
[12:21] <floown> RoyK: ok, in two times ?
[12:21] <RoyK> yeah, you can only upgrade one step at a time
[12:22] <RoyK> except for LTS, which can be done from one LTS to the next
[12:22] <floown> ok, thx a lot
[12:22] <floown> RoyK: I have save my /etc  my /home and /var, what can I save too ?
[12:23] <RoyK> so once on 10.04, /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades will be set to prompt=lts, and it won't allow upgrading to 10.10 unless you change that to 'normal'
[12:24] <floown> ok
[12:24] <RoyK> floown: just backup your data - normally it won't be needed - it'll just work - but then, you never know...
[12:25] <RoyK> btw, I'm not sure if /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is updated automatically... better check
[12:25] <RoyK> set it to lts if that's what you want
[12:25] <floown> ok, I do a backup for my database too, I have no recent backups
[12:31] <RoyK> floown: just dump it - mysqldump/pg_dump
[13:05] <sabgenton> any one with isuse for 10.10?
[13:05] <sabgenton> 10.04 has given me wifi isuses so far
[13:06] <sabgenton> I am hoping the hirer kernel number of 10.10 will help
[13:06] <sabgenton> or should I hope that the new .2 point release will help me here
[13:12] <RoyK> RTFM! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAWR6hzZek
[13:16] <sabgenton> heh
[13:16] <sabgenton> funney
[13:18] <RoyK> sabgenton: what sort of wifi issues do you have?
[13:18] <RoyK> and have you tried updating to 10.04.2?
[13:18] <nimrod10> RoyK, lol @RTFM, brilliant youtube video
[13:19] <RoyK> nimrod10: it was created to this javazone thing in norway some years back :)
[13:19] <RoyK> they have a few others that are quite good...
[13:21] <sabgenton> RoyK: well basicly if I restart the computer nat or routing etc goes down untill I set the card in to promiscusumode
[13:22] <sabgenton> and I can turn it off after that
[13:22] <sabgenton> promic
[13:22] <RoyK> wierd
[13:22] <sabgenton> it's really weird I have tried all sorts of networking combanations
[13:22] <RoyK> dunno - sorry - try 10.04.2 - it's just an apt-get dist-upgrade away
[13:22] <sabgenton> restart allways screws it up
[13:23] <sabgenton> hmm ok
[13:23] <sabgenton> RoyK: interesting I didn't know it was out
[13:23] <RoyK> :)
[13:24] <sabgenton> havent seen iso's
[13:24] <RoyK> well, it's in the repos
[13:24] <sabgenton> is it not on disc yet?
[13:24] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/MyJ2y0gh
[13:24] <RoyK> sabgenton: no need for that, is it?
[13:25] <RoyK> I just install from some lucid cd and update
[13:26] <sabgenton> allso I knowtice uname -r returns -generic at the end
[13:26] <sabgenton> not -server
[13:26] <sabgenton> I installed form usb
[13:26] <sabgenton> not cd
[13:27] <RoyK> sabgenton: apt-get install linux-server
[13:27] <RoyK> sabgenton: the difference isn't a lot - just some scheduling / Hz settings
[13:28] <RoyK> I'd guess for 90% of servers installed, you won't notice any difference
[13:28] <sabgenton> RoyK: why did I end up with -generic?
[13:28] <RoyK> no idea
[13:28] <sabgenton> mabye the usb install method is buggey?
[13:29] <RoyK> not really
[13:29] <RoyK> it's just a boot medium
[13:30] <RoyK> just install whatever kernel you need
[13:30] <RoyK> again, it doesn't matter much
[13:30] <RoyK> it's the same version
[13:30] <RoyK> it's just built with a few different flags
[13:31] <RoyK> sabgenton: what version are you running?
[13:31] <RoyK> seems 2.6.35 is in the repos
[13:32] <RoyK> also, there are some packages named like linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless
[13:33] <sabgenton> RoyK: how much data will be downloaded in a dist-upgrade
[13:33] <sabgenton> just a fussy guess
[13:33] <sabgenton> I'm on .0
[13:33] <sabgenton> not that it says .0
[13:35] <RoyK> sabgenton: it'll tell you
[13:35] <Guinness2702> how do I stop 10.04 server from loading the graphical ubuntu logo (usplash or plymouth?) at boot.  I normally run it headless, but when I plug a monitor in, the display corrupts when the graphical screen comes up.  What's worse is it's displaying some error (probably disk check required after I killed the power), but I can't see what the error is or how to resolve it :(
[13:36] <RoyK> btw, 10.04.2 doesn't come with a new kernel IIRC
[13:36] <RoyK> sabgenton: which kernel are you using now?
[13:36] <Guinness2702> ...or for that matter, just change the video mode to something else which works?
[13:37] <sabgenton> 2.6.32-25-generic
[13:37] <sabgenton> yeah mabye I should just go 10.10
[13:37] <sabgenton> how less stable is it I spose
[13:37] <RoyK> sabgenton: just install 2.6.35
[13:37] <RoyK> it's in the repositories
[13:37] <sabgenton> now theres a nice .2 release of LTS
[13:38] <sabgenton> ok
[13:38] <RoyK> sabgenton: apt-get dist-upgrade first
[13:38] <RoyK> then look for 2.6.35
[13:38] <RoyK> install it
[13:38] <RoyK> reboot
[13:38] <RoyK> try again
[13:38] <sabgenton> thats not suported is it
[13:38] <sabgenton> 35 on LTS
[13:38] <RoyK> it certainly is
[13:38] <RoyK> since it's in the default repository
[13:38] <RoyK> linux-image-2.6.35-23-server - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.35 on x86_64
[13:39] <sabgenton> do i just apt-get install linux-server
[13:39] <RoyK> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.35-23-server
[13:39] <sabgenton> or do I have to specify
[13:39] <RoyK> I'd guess linux-server will use the old 2.6.35
[13:39] <RoyK> 32
[13:39] <RoyK> not 35
[13:39] <sabgenton> ok
[13:39]  * patdk-lap can't wait for 2.6.38
[13:40] <RoyK> but please update to 10.04.2 first
[13:40] <sabgenton> intereesting will .2 iso come with  35
[13:40] <RoyK> patdk-wk: what's new in there?
[13:40] <patdk-lap> some ipv6 support
[13:40] <sabgenton> or will it still start out on 32 by defualt
[13:40] <RoyK> sabgenton: doubt it - I guess they stick to .32
[13:40] <patdk-lap> using ra/rs with ipv6 forwarding enabled
[13:40] <RoyK> .35 is there if you need it
[13:41] <sabgenton> and suported
[13:41] <sabgenton> yay
[13:41] <RoyK> patdk-wk: I thought most of ipv6 was supported years ago :P
[13:41] <patdk-lap> yes
[13:41] <RoyK> what is ra/rs?
[13:41] <patdk-lap> but if you enable forwarding, it EXPLICITALLY disables, and turns off ra/rs
[13:41]  * RoyK isn't very literate in the ipv6 world
[13:41] <sabgenton> RoyK: is that the same kernel package that 10.10 uses?
[13:41] <patdk-lap> route advertisement, router solicitation
[13:41] <RoyK> ok
[13:41] <RoyK> sabgenton: no idea
[13:42] <sabgenton> I'm probably sounding naive
[13:42] <RoyK> sabgenton: just try the new kernel - if it doesn't do what you want, well, go back to the old one
[13:42] <patdk-lap> bsically, if you turn on forwarding, you MUST use static ip's and static routes
[13:42] <sabgenton> well 10.10 has that kernel I mean
[13:42] <sabgenton> I think
[13:42] <RoyK> 10.10 has 2.6.35
[13:43] <RoyK> but just upgrade the kernel
[13:43] <RoyK> no reason to do a full upgrade
[13:43] <sabgenton> yeah
[13:43] <RoyK> LTS is far better for servers than non-LTS
[13:43] <sabgenton> but upgrade to .2
[13:43] <sabgenton> y?
[13:43] <RoyK> sabgenton: yes - apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot
[13:44] <RoyK> or perhaps install 2.6.35 before rebooting
[13:44] <sabgenton> RoyK: what key reason do u see LTS as better
[13:44] <sabgenton> just suport
[13:45] <RoyK> sabgenton: it's far better supported - focus is on stability, not fancy features
[13:46] <sabgenton> suport I don't really need but stability ..
[13:46] <sabgenton> but then wifi dies anyway ..
[13:46] <sabgenton> heh
[13:46] <sabgenton> ok will try all of the above
[13:47] <RoyK> sabgenton: apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.35-23-server && apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot
[13:47] <RoyK> that's your one-liner
[13:47] <sabgenton> it's funey I don't see isos out onthe main download page
[13:47] <sabgenton> if you click download it still gives u .1
[13:48] <sabgenton> u missed out the infamous sudo
[13:48] <sabgenton> :P
[14:00] <RoyK> sabgenton: I was expecting you to be sudo -i'd in :P
[14:01] <sabgenton> or sudo bash -c 'it'
[14:23] <aliverius> i am building a print (among others) server with ubuntu
[14:24] <aliverius> the system sees the printer and can print to it and all that is done from my desktop which can connect to the server to administer
[14:25] <aliverius> now what i need is to make my desktop print through the server
[14:26] <aliverius> Q: can i setup my server in a way that any client will discover the network printer?
[14:36] <dlarmeir> ping google.com
[15:41] <Odaym> i type "samba" and i get the following The program 'samba' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:sudo apt-get install samba4
[15:41] <Odaym> but when i type "apt-cache policy samba" i getsamba:
[15:41] <Odaym>   Installed: 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu8.2
[15:41] <Odaym>   Candidate: 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu8.2
[15:42] <Odaym> is it installed or not? :o
[16:08] <smoser> zul, around ?
[16:38] <binaryhat> When I connect to my Virtual O/S (Windows 7) on my Ubuntu 10.10 server, the server completely looses power, hence turns off without warning
[16:48] <qman__> Odaym, in samba 3, the program names are smbd and nmbd
[16:48] <qman__> so, even though samba 3 is installed, there is no 'samba' command
[16:49] <Odaym> oh
[16:49] <Odaym> alright
[16:49] <Odaym> so i DO have it?
[16:49] <qman__> probably
[16:49] <qman__> test with something like `sudo service smbd status`
[16:50] <Odaym> running
[16:50] <Odaym> :0
[16:50] <Odaym> :)
[16:50] <binaryhat> When I connect to my Virtual O/S (Windows 7) on my Ubuntu 10.10 server, the server completely looses power, hence turns off without warning
[16:50] <binaryhat> im using kvm
[16:50] <qman__> that's pretty strange
[16:51] <qman__> sure your power supply is ok/powerful enough?
[16:51] <binaryhat> 450w
[16:51] <binaryhat> it has happened 3x
[16:51] <qman__> what kind of hardware?
[16:52] <binaryhat> asus mobo, amd cpu, 8gb ram
[16:52] <qman__> also, you could use something like stress to determine if it's a kvm-specific issue or a load-related issue
[16:52] <binaryhat> brb
[16:52] <binaryhat> stress?
[16:53] <qman__> yes
[16:53] <qman__> it's a program that puts various loads on your machine for testing purposes
[16:53] <binaryhat> not familiar w/ it
[16:53] <qman__> e.g. `stress --cpu 8 --vm 8` starts 8 CPU-stressing threads and 8 memory-stressing threads
[16:54] <binaryhat> ok
[16:54] <binaryhat> ill chec it out
[16:54] <binaryhat> bbl
[17:23] <binaryhat> qman__, u there?
[17:26] <binaryhat> qman__, i did stress --cpu 8 --vm 8 and my server completely shutt off
[17:42] <Odaym> so guys, "scp oday@Hive696:~/file1 ~/Music/" is copying file1 back to the same machine but in the Music directory
[17:42] <Odaym> how do i copy from the machine that i'm connected to, to the machine that i am connecting from?
[17:44] <thesheff17> Odaym: you can do scp root@server:~/bla/bla . the dot means pull to current dir.
[17:44] <binaryhat> i did stress --cpu 8 --vm 8 and my server completely shutt off
[17:45] <Odaym> no thesheff17, that copied the file back to the same machine
[17:45] <binaryhat> what gives?
[17:45] <thesheff17> Odaym: do you want to push or pull? maybe I'm confused on what you mean.
[17:46] <Odaym> i am in an SSH connection from my server, i am connected to my client
[17:46] <Odaym> i want to copy files from the client to the server
[17:51] <Odaym> qman__
[17:51] <Odaym> any idea?
[17:51] <thesheff17> Odaym: to push files it would just be scp -r ~/files/ root@server:~/files/
[17:53] <Odaym> ok thank you thesheff17
[17:53] <Odaym> :)
[17:53] <Odaym> and what about directories?
[17:54] <zul> smoser: whats up?
[17:54] <smoser> jjohansen above posted links to haryd kernel debs
[17:54] <smoser> but there was no linux-modules in the list
[17:54] <thesheff17> Odaym: scp -r will be recursive
[17:54] <Odaym> ah ok
[17:54] <smoser> do you know if he had source ? coudl we ppa build ?
[17:54] <Odaym> so without -r, i can use it only for singular files
[17:55] <thesheff17> Odaym: yea you could use * so scp ~/files/* root@server:~/files/
[17:55] <thesheff17> that will just do files
[17:55] <Odaym> aah true
[17:55] <Odaym> true
[17:56] <Odaym> let's say i am on SSH with my client
[17:56] <Odaym> and i want to display a dialog box
[17:56] <Odaym> on the screen of that machine
[17:56] <Odaym> is there a default dialog box i can use?
[17:56] <Odaym> not having to write java GUI i mean..
[17:59] <thesheff17> Odaym: what do you mean default dialog box?
[18:00] <thesheff17> it sounds like you want to remote control through vnc or freeNX https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[18:13] <binaryhat> i did stress --cpu 8 --vm 8 and my server completely shuts off.  any ideas?
[18:16] <thesheff17> binaryhat: anything in the logs? sounds like a hardware issue.
[18:17] <binaryhat> everytime it shuts off im not sure if anything is logged
[18:19] <thesheff17> binaryhat: maybe the power supply is faulty...not delivering enough power under load...is the machine fine when just idle?
[18:19] <binaryhat> yes
[18:20] <thesheff17> what kind of machine? server? can you check the bios or LILO card to make sure all the hardware is working correctly.
[18:20] <binaryhat> the only resource intense thing i do is virtualization
[18:21] <thesheff17> maybe do a mem test or hd test may help to start to rule out devices.
[18:22] <binaryhat> server yes, home built newegg parts
[18:24] <binaryhat> bios is fine
[18:24] <thesheff17> binaryhat: I would start with the power supply or testing hardware with software from the manufacturer.
[18:25] <binaryhat> its not fancy hardware
[18:26] <binaryhat> http://www.stresslinux.org/sl/
[18:28] <binaryhat> thesheff17, how should i test the psu?
[18:30] <thesheff17> binaryhat: do you have another one to try?  If the machine powers off with a new one you know it isn't the power supply...this is one advantage to having a server bought from a specific company...usually there is allot more in site into failed hardware when it comes from hp, dell, etc.
[18:30] <thesheff17> I don't know any way to specifically to test the power supply.
[18:31] <binaryhat> hmm
[18:32] <binaryhat> i dont think its the psu....maybe memory
[18:32] <thesheff17> try memtest on the ubuntu cd
[18:32] <binaryhat> ok
[18:34] <binaryhat> the pc is only 30 days old
[18:39] <qman__> binaryhat, that means your power supply is insufficient to power your computer under full load
[18:39] <qman__> it's either not powerful enough or going bad
[18:39] <qman__> Odaym, scp works like cp, source then destination
[18:40] <qman__> scp user@sourcehost:/path/file user@destinationhost:/path/file
[18:41] <binaryhat> my server completely shutoff during memtest!!!
[18:41] <qman__> then the power supply is most likely bad
[18:41] <binaryhat> arrrggh
[18:41] <qman__> freezing would indicate bad memory
[18:41] <qman__> but powering off is usually the power supply
[18:42] <binaryhat> 450w thermaltak
[18:42] <binaryhat> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153138
[18:43] <binaryhat> thats what i have
[18:43] <binaryhat> barely 30 days
[18:44] <binaryhat> suggestions on a psu?
[18:45] <Odaym> haha
[18:45] <binBASH> did you tell already what hardware you have? ;)
[18:45] <Odaym> i tried to run a GUI java program while on an SSH client
[18:45] <Odaym> wanted it to pop up there on that machine
[18:45] <Odaym> says it cant
[18:45] <Odaym>  no X11
[18:45] <Odaym> how do i ..fix this
[18:45] <Odaym> install X11 there? im sure it already has X11
[18:46] <binaryhat> qman__, suggestions for a new psu
[18:47] <qman__> binaryhat, it depends on what equipment you have, what your CPU is rated at, number of hard drives, etc
[18:47] <binBASH> Odaym: ssh -X
[18:47] <Odaym> doesnt work
[18:47] <Odaym> says wrong parameter
[18:47] <qman__> for a basic system, dual core, one drive, that's big enough and it's probably just bad
[18:47] <qman__> but for a six-core with multiple drives, that's pushing it
[18:47] <binaryhat> qman__, https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=16522027
[18:48] <qman__> says it's empty
[18:48] <binaryhat> oops
[18:48] <qman__> I buy budget power supplies based on customer ratings
[18:49] <qman__> hundreds of five-star ratings is usually good
[18:49] <qman__> for must-work builds, I get seasonic
[18:49] <binaryhat> i have 5 hdds sata...
[18:50] <binaryhat> 4 as raid
[18:51] <qman__> what CPU?
[18:51] <qman__> also, do you have a discrete graphics card?
[18:51] <binaryhat> qman__, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687
[18:52] <binaryhat> no http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131668
[18:52] <qman__> without discrete graphics, 450w should be enough for that
[18:52] <qman__> I'd try and return it on warranty
[18:52] <qman__> oh, one more thing
[18:52] <qman__> make sure your power button isn't faulty
[18:52] <qman__> sometimes that happens
[18:53] <binBASH> hdds should consome max. 160W
[18:53] <qman__> turn on the computer, then disconnect the power button and see if it still shuts off
[18:53] <binBASH> consume
[18:53] <qman__> power supplies typically run optimal at 50% load
[18:54] <qman__> so that's about right for your build
[18:58] <binaryhat> power button isnt faulty im sure
[18:59] <qman__> then the most likely case is the power supply is just bad, it happens
[18:59] <qman__> I'd try swapping one from another computer to test
[18:59] <qman__> it could also be a very specific problem with the motherboard
[18:59] <binaryhat> i dont have a spare psu
[19:00] <qman__> well, odds are about 20:1 power supply
[19:01] <qman__> I'd return it
[19:01] <qman__> get a replacement
[19:01] <binaryhat> if i disconnect the power button  and  it still shuts off...means what?
[19:01] <qman__> means that it isn't the power button
[19:04] <binaryhat> and its the psu
[20:37] <soren> smoser: The SIGPIPE thing is fixed now. I ended up fixing it in Plymouth. It'll be in the UEC images tonight.
[20:38] <soren> smoser: plymouth 0.8.2-2ubuntu16 is the thing to look for.
[22:06] <Adman65> how can I find out what directories are taking up the most space on my server?
[22:37] <avis-> has anyone here used webfs httpd daemon ?
[22:53] <lenios> avis-, why would you want to use webfs?
[23:17] <Code_Bleu> Im trying to pxe install JeOS 10.10 and i get to the part to choose my archive and when i do, i get the following error: mirror does not support specified release (maverick).  Can someone help me figure out why this is happening?
[23:17] <lenios> Code_Bleu, change the mirror?
[23:18] <Code_Bleu> ive tried
[23:20] <Code_Bleu> is there an alternative CD for server (JeOS) ?
[23:22] <Code_Bleu> i tried doing the local http method and it still errors out.  I copied the server iso to my /var/www/<web dir> and have that in my ks.cfg file, but i still get an error that the mirror does not support specified release (maverick)
[23:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping?


[00:01] <hggdh> micahg: regression-release
[00:01] <hggdh> and open a task for lucid
[00:01] <micahg> hggdh: k, well, we're making a new package so that won't work
[00:01] <micahg> I'll add a lucid-backports task once it's in maverick (if accepted)
[00:02] <micahg> or actually file a new bug for that
[00:02] <hggdh> micahg: you will probably need a new bug for the new package
[00:03] <hggdh> oh boy, the paths we take to adjust to LP...
[00:05] <micahg> hggdh: ?
[00:09] <hggdh> I wish we had something like the depends on from bugzilla
[00:09] <hggdh> er, blocks
[00:09] <micahg> hggdh: agreed
[00:24] <hggdh> oooooohhh
[00:24] <hggdh> micahg: LP will add "record dependencies between bugs" for next fix/improvement
[00:24] <micahg> hggdh: \o/
[00:24] <hggdh> micahg: bug 95419
[00:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 95419 in malone "Record dependencies between bugs (affects: 10) (dups: 4) (heat: 69)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419
[00:25] <hggdh> \o/ indeed!
[03:20]  * devildante will go to sleep... good night everyone ;)
[03:58] <bcurtiswx_> g'nite all
[04:34] <Muscovy> Hi, I'm considering joining the bug control team, but I'm not sure if I meet the requirements/experience in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl. I know it's a vague question, but how much "experience" is recommended?
[04:37] <micahg> Muscovy: when you're comfortable deciding importance and your mentor is comfortable as well
[04:43] <Muscovy> micahg: I think that could be an issue, I don't have a mentor.
[04:45] <micahg> Muscovy: heh, well are there triagers familiar with your work, enough to know how well you respond to bugs
[04:45] <micahg> !mentoring | Muscovy
[04:45] <ubot2> Factoid 'mentoring' not found
[04:45] <micahg> ugh
[04:45] <micahg> !mentors | Muscovy
[04:45] <ubot2> Factoid 'mentors' not found
[04:46] <micahg> !mentor | Muscovy
[04:46] <ubot2> Muscovy: Looking for a helping hand with bug triage? Read the wiki for information about requesting a bugsquad mentor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[04:46] <micahg> there we go :)
[04:46] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[08:18] <vish> micahg: hehe! we tried to keep that factoid short, but seems to backfire a lot of times! ;p
[08:58] <vish> jpds: hmm , just remembered about 'an' or 'a' mv-o  > http://www.colorado.edu/Publications/styleguide/abbrev.html#articles :D
[09:00]  * vish was writing a comment and was reminded of jpds' mention, so looked it up :)
[10:28] <abhijit> hi
[10:30] <elv> hi! I don't understand if there is anything to do or to check before marking a bug report as public.
[10:31] <persia> elv, OK.  So, there's probably a wiki page about it, but I forget the URL.
[10:31] <persia> The general idea is that we don't want to expose bugs if they meet the following criteria:
[10:32] <persia> 1) they represent a not-yet-public security vulernability (needs to be made public the same day as everyone else)
[10:32] <persia> 2) the bug report contains private information (credit card numbers, passwords, etc.)
[10:33] <persia> So, the first group is easy: you will only be able to un-private them if you already have all the security training.
[10:34] <persia> The second group is harder: you need to review and analyse all the available information (including digging through any attachments) to ensure that no information is available.
[10:35] <elv> mmm, ok exactly i read something about the point 2. But i don't understand if i have to remove the coredump file always.
[10:36] <persia> Generally if there's a coredump file, you want to get the apport-retracer to retrace it.
[10:37] <elv> ok thanks.
[13:02] <bcurtiswx_> good morning
[14:54] <devildante> hi all ;)
[14:54] <pedro_> good day devildante
[14:55] <pedro_> how are you today?
[14:55] <devildante> pedro_: hi pedro_, all is fine :)
[14:57] <pedro_> vish, so jibel is working with us in the mentoring program ;-)
[14:57] <pedro_> vish, we can assign him all the remaining students!
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> seb128, is it in or out :P
[15:00] <jibel> \o/
[15:02] <vish> pedro_: oh wow! it reminds me of "Universal Soldiers!" , we would have a huge army! Jibel's Army! :D
[15:02] <vish> yay! Bugs will have no chance now!
[15:02] <bcurtiswx> I would go more with jibel the exterminator!
[15:03] <vish> bcurtiswx: have you seen jibel's wiki?  i read his bug squashing comment and my jaw dropped in awe! :)
[15:04] <bcurtiswx> No, link?
[15:05] <vish> bcurtiswx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanBaptisteLallement  >  "I'm in the top 3 contributors for bug management activity: karma (reaching apport will be hard though "
[15:07] <vish> pedro_: you loose to jibel ;p
[15:07] <vish> pedro_ is third now!
[15:08] <bcurtiswx> If only I had that amount of free time.. Lol
[15:09] <devildante> I hope I get in this top 20 some time...
[15:09] <bcurtiswx> I will be triaging much more once I take my qualifying exams
[15:11] <bcurtiswx> Computational sciences and informatics with a concentration in space sciences and astrophysics.... And I have to repeat that when people ask what I do...
[15:11] <bcurtiswx> That's what my phd will be in if I get there
[15:12] <devildante> Can someone update the "nominate for" part in bug 502610?
[15:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 502610 in webkit (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Chinese characters unexpectedly switch fonts in WebKit-GTK (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502610
[15:13] <devildante> Lucid must be declined
[15:29] <thekorn_> "[...]with an average speed of 1K bugs per month[...]" what an amazing definitin of speed!
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> hi pedro_
[16:15] <pedro_> hello chrisccoulson
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> about the firefox crash reports with failed retrace - we've actually blacklisted firefox in apport now
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> crash reports go directly to mozilla instead (for maverick)
[16:15] <pedro_> chrisccoulson nice!, i've been looking into the ones left at lp
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks. it's probably best to just close the unuseful ones from maverick now
[16:16] <pedro_> chrisccoulson ok will do that
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[16:18] <pedro_> you're welcome :-)
[16:19] <pedro_> devildante, really?
[16:19] <pedro_> Ubuntu BugSquad: devildante is an addict.
[16:19] <devildante> pedro_, ?
[16:19] <pedro_> he's even working on old bug days!!
[16:19]  * pedro_ hugs devildante
[16:19]  * devildante hugs back pedro_
[16:19] <pedro_> devildante, can i clone you?
[16:19] <devildante> pedro_: okay, go ahead :p
[16:20] <pedro_> ;-)
[16:21] <devildante> pedro_: maybe someone should add more bugs to the translations bug day, I finished them all and I wouldn't like the bugday to be cancelled
[16:21] <devildante> we need to motivate :p
[16:22] <devildante> I need to correct: I almost finished them, kamusin took care of the rest :p
[16:25] <pedro_> devildante, we can add some more confirmed , because there's no more New reports :-P
[16:25] <devildante> haha
[16:25] <pedro_> let me do the query and i'll add those
[16:25] <devildante> okay :)
[16:26]  * devildante will go take care of old bug day ;)
[16:32] <ashams> simar: hi
[16:33] <simar> ashams: hi
[16:33] <simar> ashams: done same work ..
[16:34] <ashams> simar: not yet. studying more!
[16:34] <simar> ashams: k, keep going
[16:34] <simar> ashams: i wonder why you set the status of the bug i told you to triage again.. to new
[16:35] <ashams> simar: the reporter provided the needed info!
[16:36] <ashams> simar: but only one reported it, so I could not confirm
[16:36] <ashams> simar: is that wrong?
[16:36] <simar> ashams: i think you are not on right track
[16:37] <simar> ashams: please note the following points
[16:37] <simar> ashams: wait ... point me to that bug first .. get the link
[16:37] <ashams> simar: gust a sec!
[16:38] <simar> ashams: ya
[16:40] <ashams> simar: here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/611992
[16:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611992 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Synaptics TouchPad: no supported touchpad found (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[16:42] <simar> ashams: wait
[16:43] <ashams> simar: k
[16:45] <simar> ashams: triaging means following the bug until it is fixed.. you have to set the status to triaged when there is enough information for a developer to work on it
[16:47] <ashams> simar: yes, but can be with only one Affected, and can't reproduce?
[16:49] <ashams> simar: :) ?
[17:28] <simar> ashams: there??
[17:28] <simar> ashams: my internet broke
[17:31] <simar> ashams: you can't reproduce every bug in your own system ..
[17:32] <simar> ashams: in that case, you should ask for logs from affected users .. that way looking on the logs you can confirm the bug
[17:40] <simar> ashams: heya .... .. .. .. .
[17:44] <KE1HA> Off-Topic I know, but I finished a perfect HP Mini-2133 install w/10.04.1 even BCM4312 wifi nic drivers worked out of the box, Well done all !!
[17:48] <marjo> QA Team Meeting 1700 UTC in #ubuntu-quality
[17:48] <holstein> KE1HA: dood
[17:49] <holstein> i got a 2133
[17:49] <holstein> quite a pain
[17:49] <holstein> im still using the openchrome driver
[17:50] <holstein> hggdh: ping
[17:50] <holstein> i didnt make it on here yesterday morning
[17:51] <holstein> maybe we can schedule something?
[17:51] <hggdh> holstein: I noticed ;-)
[17:51]  * holstein opens calendar
[17:51] <holstein> hggdh: how about tomorrow?
[17:51] <holstein> 11?
[17:51] <hggdh> holstein: deal
[17:52] <hggdh> holstein: 11:00 on what TZ?
[17:52] <holstein> your in my timezone right?
[17:52] <holstein> its almost 1 for you too?
[17:52] <hggdh> I do not know... I am US CDT
[17:52] <hggdh> oh, you are EDT
[17:52] <holstein> yeah
[17:52] <hggdh> hold on, let me check
[17:52] <holstein> hggdh: im open all day tomorrow
[17:53] <hggdh> holstein: any time from 12:00 EDT -- 13:00 is good, for example
[17:54] <holstein> even better
[17:54] <holstein> lets say my noon then
[17:54] <hggdh> holstein: 12:00 EDT it is
[17:55] <KE1HA> holstein:  it picked the STA wifi Driver, and I used the ALT install ISO (debian-installer) to avoid any VID issues on boot / install start. Other than that, was perfect.
[17:55] <nigelb> can someone on gnome look at bug 250664 (i'm on xfce)
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 250664 in gnome-device-manager (Ubuntu) ""Device Manager" entry not appearing in System -> Administration (faulty gnome-device-manager.desktop) (heat: 5)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250664
[17:56] <holstein> KE1HA: via released a driver recently
[17:56] <hggdh> nigelb: so such entry under Maverick Gnome
[17:57] <nigelb> hggdh: 'no'?
[17:57] <KE1HA> holstein:  the STA specifically called out 4 versions, 4312 and a couple others where as the BCM diver seemed generic. Hope this fixes some BCM issues as there's allot of folks having trouble with them.
[17:57] <nigelb> hggdh: also, is there such an app?
[17:58] <holstein> KE1HA: check out this screenshot http://imagebin.org/111345 ;)
[17:59] <KE1HA> holstein:  Nastey :-) .. not having that problem at all.
[17:59] <holstein> yeah, that was my first try installing that VIA driver
[17:59] <holstein> i manually put the files where they go
[18:00] <holstein> and got it working
[18:00] <holstein> but no 3D
[18:00] <hggdh> nigelb: nowadays, I do not think so, but pedro_ is the expert on Gnome...
[18:00] <holstein> and the openchrome one seemed 'less hot'
[18:00] <KE1HA> holstein:  check your BIOS as well, on the 2133 wiki page it mentions FM 04 with newer FW causing issues.
[18:00] <holstein> KE1HA: i got 04
[18:00] <KE1HA> Hmm
[18:00] <KE1HA> Let me boot and will see what I ahve
[18:01] <hggdh> nigelb: and it is indeed 'no' such appl in Maverick
[18:01] <holstein> i think i tried them all...
[18:01] <holstein> KE1HA: if you didnt do anything special
[18:01] <holstein> you got openchrome
[18:01] <holstein> AFAIK
[18:01] <nigelb> hggdh: aha, I was afraid of that.
[18:01] <KE1HA> Nope, just out of the box install, apart form picking the boxed restricted driver.
[18:01] <holstein> and it works fine really
[18:01] <holstein> no 3D
[18:01] <holstein> but the display sleeps with it now
[18:02] <holstein> that was always my problem with the openchrome driver and this GPU
[18:03] <KE1HA> holstein:  FM-03
[18:03]  * holstein would like to have some 3D though
[18:03] <holstein> KE1HA: maybe i got 3
[18:03] <holstein> i got the one that the wiki suggested
[18:03] <KE1HA> :-) on a mini well, that's a bit of a stretch for that little box.
[18:03] <holstein> my asus eee 900
[18:03] <holstein> 3D
[18:04] <holstein> no problem
[18:04] <holstein> everything out of the box
[18:04] <ashams> simar: alright :)
[18:04] <KE1HA> how can I test the 3D ?
[18:04] <simar> ashams: ah!
[18:04] <holstein> KE1HA: you can try to enable desktop effects
[18:04] <holstein> right click on the desktop
[18:04] <simar> ashams: let me see what was going on..
[18:05] <holstein> change desktop background
[18:05] <holstein> go to visual effects tab
[18:05] <holstein> and try one of the options
[18:05] <KE1HA> Got, having a play now
[18:05] <holstein> mine goes and looks for a driver
[18:05] <simar> ashams: what you say after my last comments ..
[18:05] <holstein> and says 'no dice'
[18:06] <holstein> desktop effects could not be enabled :/
[18:06] <holstein> i did get 3D with 9.10
[18:06] <KE1HA> Yep, same same.
[18:06] <holstein> had to get the driver
[18:06] <holstein> install it
[18:06] <holstein> say some encantations
[18:06] <holstein> get the right firmware
[18:06] <holstein> and an older kernel
[18:07] <KE1HA> That's ok, this one doesn't need 3D .. can't hardly see the screen anyways :-)
[18:07] <holstein> i only stated working on it to get the display to sleep
[18:07] <holstein> and now it does
[18:07] <holstein> so its not a big deal
[18:07] <holstein> somethings are funky though
[18:08] <KE1HA> Yeah, this one dont need 3D fer it' intended purpose. Can use a full Laptop is I need that.
[18:08] <holstein> video playback is *not* always smooth
[18:08] <holstein> and sometimes i think its going to sleep
[18:08] <holstein> and it doesnt
[18:08] <holstein> and the sound dies
[18:08] <KE1HA> I tested that with the example's and went to utube and watched a few vids there, seemed ok.
[18:09] <holstein> occasionally
[18:09] <holstein> hasnt done it with the latest few kernels though
[18:09] <KE1HA> on the wiki it talks about sound levels not sticking, tested that, did not ahve to use alsamixer to stick them.
[18:09] <holstein> KE1HA: used to be
[18:10] <holstein> if i opened sound preferences
[18:10] <holstein> the device died
[18:10] <holstein> and i could restart it with a script
[18:10] <holstein> yeah
[18:10] <holstein> now 'sound preferences' just crashes
[18:11] <holstein> sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[18:11] <holstein> i got a shortcut on my desktop to that ^^ ;)
[18:12] <simar> ashams: what you have to say?
[18:12] <holstein> KE1HA: i havent really been filing bugs either
[18:12] <holstein> im not sure what the devs are suppose to do
[18:13] <holstein> VIA doesnt really share
[18:13] <KE1HA> holstein:  i've not ran nto any bugs yet, other than that 3d business, but then it's not really powerfull enough fer 3d i dont tink.
[18:14] <KE1HA> I was just happy WiFi worked OUB
[18:14] <simar> vish: i think i have found you a papercut. i hope :-|
[18:14] <simar> vish: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/623066
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 623066 in xchat (Ubuntu) "XChat does not remember favourite channels set from the right-click menu (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:14] <holstein> KE1HA: open sound preferences
[18:14] <holstein> maybe you got the other 2133
[18:15] <holstein> i think there is a few different ones
[18:15] <holstein> but when i open sound preferences
[18:15] <KE1HA> sound pref's doesn't crash
[18:15] <holstein> and go to a few tabs
[18:15] <vish> simar: oh noes! we have enough bugs! ;p
[18:15] <holstein> KE1HA: can you navigate through it?
[18:15] <simar> vish: you can escape ;-))
[18:15] <holstein> is that the one that came with SUSE?
[18:15] <vish> simar: but that wouldnt be a papercut, we dont install xchat by default :)
[18:15] <KE1HA> this is an older box though, probably 2x or there abouts maybe a little more.
[18:16] <simar> vish: ok,  i c
[18:16] <simar> vish: so you will happier ;-))
[18:16] <KE1HA> holstein:  this one came with Slug-Vista, that's why we put UB on it.
[18:16] <vish> simar: hehe, one of these days, we should probably tag Ubuntu itself as a papercut ;p
[18:16] <vish> everywhere there is a bug!
[18:17] <holstein> p/n KX869AT#ABA
[18:17] <holstein> KE1HA: well, dont belive its too slow for 3D
[18:17] <KE1HA> holstein:  the Sound card is VT1708/A is that helps.
[18:17] <holstein> my eee runs compiz great
[18:17] <holstein> its the VIA chips
[18:18] <holstein> my EEE is 900mhz ;)
[18:18] <KE1HA> Over all, im pretty happy with it thus far.
[18:18] <simar> vish: this make users to think... there is none because people like you work tirelessly to identify and fix them ... great soul .
[18:18] <holstein> im always about to break this one
[18:18] <simar> ashams: there ??
[18:19] <KE1HA> well, iv'e got plenty of 3D boxs, dual 9800GT's GTX 280's no need here fer a little mini 3D box :-)
[18:19] <holstein> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller) (rev 10)
[18:20] <holstein> KE1HA: you can open sound preferences?
[18:20] <holstein> and navigate through it?
[18:20] <holstein> HEY
[18:20] <holstein> now i can :)
[18:20] <simar> vish: I have not been able to contact stanley_robertso till now here in IRC.
[18:21] <KE1HA> same model chip, yes I can open SP, and mess around, no crach, but did notice the Sound Vol goes away on the bar is I change it.
[18:21] <vish> simar: odd, though, you two often dont meet at the same time! can you try sending him an email?
[18:21] <holstein> yeah, its *way* better
[18:21] <holstein> just a couple months ago
[18:21] <holstein> i would open sound preferences
[18:22] <holstein> and the device would disappear
[18:22] <holstein> w00t :)
[18:22] <vish> simar: irc contact is not a requirement, though it helps..  :)
[18:22] <simar> vish: ok .. i note it
[18:22] <holstein> KE1HA: last time i opened it, when the sound vol went away, it crashed
[18:22] <KE1HA> holstein:  yep, your right, it does vanish, guess that's why the vol selector goes away.
[18:23] <holstein> but i was able to get through it once
[18:23] <holstein> thats improvement
[18:23] <KE1HA> It doesn't crash so to speak, jsut disappears.
[18:23] <KE1HA> Guess tha's a bug :-(
[18:23] <holstein> yeah, but what do we do?
[18:24] <holstein> VIA dont care
[18:24] <holstein> KE1HA: you want to file it?
[18:24] <KE1HA> Solution = Dont mess with the preferences :-)
[18:24] <holstein> hehe
[18:25] <KE1HA> Ok, time fer a coffe :-)
[18:25] <holstein> KE1HA: :)
[18:25] <holstein> glad to find a fellow 2133'er
[18:37] <ashams> simar: hey!
[18:39] <simar> ashams: i think you should set the status to incomplete again..
[18:39] <simar> ashams: and read about the statuses again
[18:39] <ashams> simar: he had already included the Xorg.0.log in the report
[18:40] <simar> ashams: so what .. after setting the incomplete status, you should set it to triage if you think it is fit to be worked upon by  developer
[18:41] <simar> ashams: just set the status and then i will tell you whta to do
[18:43] <ashams> simar: here's the Xorg.log, please use your browser to find "Synaptics", I think this is a problem with the Xorg module???
[18:43] <ashams> simar: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52774134/XorgLog.txt
[18:45] <ashams> simar: there? :-)
[18:45] <simar> ashams: what do you find fishy in it?
[18:49] <ashams> simar: the Synaptics couldn't be Identified!
[18:49] <ashams> simar: it says: "[    33.312] (EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware."
[18:49] <simar> ashams: good work..
[18:50] <ashams> simar: so, set to incomplete???
[18:51] <simar> ashams: sure
[18:51] <ashams> simar: why, everything is right there?
[18:53] <ashams> simar: and it became clear that the Xorg-Module has been Unloaded, due to Fail to Identification?! :---)
[18:54] <simar> ashams: but why the identification failed ..
[18:55] <simar> ashams: the linux kernel wrongly reported the touchpad .. so synaptics module loading failed
[18:55] <simar> ashams: there
[18:56] <simar> ashams: to confirm this thing we have a command that reports all input devices that kernel reports to x.
[18:56] <simar> ask that from the user
[18:56] <ashams> simar: here's my best guess, it had been mistakenly associated to Driver 1.2.2, which is not the correct one for that version!
[18:57] <ashams> simar: ok
[18:57] <ashams> simar: sorry have to go now, ill do it and confirm through mail, bye for now>
[18:58] <simar> ashams: wild guess!! higher driver version should not stop support for some touchpads
[18:58] <simar> ashams: wait
[18:58] <simar> ashams: a sec
[18:59] <simar> ashams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[18:59] <hggdh> pedro_, jibel: I am wondering about regression-potential. I read it as "not having confirmed a regression", but this is not how it is being used now
[18:59] <ashams> simar: im still working on that doc?
[18:59] <simar> ashams: see this In case your touchpad features like scrolling, tapping, etc does not work at all.
[19:00] <simar> ashams: in particular
[19:00] <ashams> simar: well!
[19:00] <simar> ashams: NOTE SOME POINTS
[19:00] <jibel> hggdh, today it is used as a regression in a development release.
[19:00] <hggdh> pedro_, jibel: what do you think of having a 'regression-devel' (or the likes) for the current development version of Ubuntu, and using 'regression-potential' as above?
[19:00] <simar> ashams: always comment if you will change the bug status in future atleast for some 1 month ...
[19:00] <ashams> simar: you say that i need to ask him for the /proc/bus/input/devices file
[19:01] <simar> ashams: you are absolutely right ..
[19:01] <jibel> hggdh, but that means that once the dev become a release you'll have to change all the remaining -potential to -release.
[19:01] <simar> ashams: you are getting the stuff
[19:01] <hggdh> jibel: don't we need to do it now, anyway?
[19:01] <jibel> hggdh, there is currently no status to say 'this is maybe a regression but needs confirmation'
[19:01] <ashams> simar: I really have to go NOW :)
[19:01] <hggdh> jibel: yes, I agree. This is why I am proposing it
[19:02] <simar> ashams: make sure you comment
[19:02] <simar> ashams: you can leave .. have a nice day
[19:02] <jibel> we could use a regression-release even in devel because after all this is a development release.
[19:03] <hggdh> yes, we could. My issue is I do not think current usage is intuitive
[19:03] <jibel> hggdh, what is a regression in maverick. This is an opened report or a task targeted to maverick and tagged with regression-release.
[19:04] <hggdh> jibel: this is another issue: we may have multiple nominations
[19:04] <hggdh> and we cannot stick the tag to a tassk
[19:04] <jibel> hggdh, I think that too. And that's why regression- reports  are sometimes messy
[19:05] <jibel> hggdh, you have to open 1 bug per regression. If the regression affects several releases, then open several tasks.
[19:05] <hggdh> yep. I have seen 'regression-<version> used (like 'regression-lucid'). Perhaps this is a way out
[19:06] <hggdh> jibel: but opening one bug per identified version is much more work
[19:06] <jibel> hggdh, I mean one bug per regression with 1 task per release affected by this regression
[19:07] <hggdh> oh, OK, yes. But, then, which tag to use?
[19:07] <jibel> hggdh, regression-potential until the regression is confirmed.
[19:07] <jibel> once confirmed set it to regression-release or -update
[19:08] <hggdh> jibel: then we agree that current usage is not ideal
[19:08] <jibel> hggdh, this for all the releases even the dev release.
[19:08] <hggdh> jibel: no, currently we set regression-potential *only* for the devel release (at least how it is documented)
[19:09] <jibel> if there is a regression in the dev release and it's not fix before the release it become a regression in the stable release.
[19:09] <hggdh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags#Regression%20specific
[19:09] <jibel> hggdh, Yes and I think that's the point that needs to be addressed.
[19:09] <hggdh> cool!
[19:10] <hggdh> let's get pedro_ 's input when he is back
[19:10] <jibel> hggdh, the workflow is no clear because you don't at which step of the regression you are.
[19:10] <hggdh> jibel: indeed
[19:10] <hggdh> and clarifying the workflow may help us
[19:10] <jibel> hggdh, we would have regression-* to track the regression and the bug/task statuses to track the fix of the regression.
[19:11] <jibel> No change in the development process and no specific management for the developers.
[19:11] <hggdh> jibel: so we keep on using -potential as it is, and extend it *also* for current published releases?
[19:12] <jibel> hggdh, this way the regression workflow is quite linear. All the release are handled in the same way, we know which regression are really regressions
[19:12] <jibel> which release is affected
[19:12] <jibel> and which step we at fixing it.
[19:13] <jibel> s/we/we are/
[19:13] <jibel> hggdh, yes we extend the use of  -potential to the stable releases and -release to the devel release.
[19:14] <hggdh> jibel: ack
[19:14] <hggdh> we will have to propose/publish the changes to -devel also
[19:14] <jibel> hggdh, Do you know who designed the process initially ?
[19:15] <jibel> hggdh, It would be good to know the historical issues they encountered.
[19:15] <hggdh> jibel: I do not remember, I think it was started by bdmurray -- but not sure
[19:15] <hggdh> who, BTW, might also want to comment here ;-)
[19:17] <jibel> hggdh, I'm out for diner. See you tomorrow.
[19:21] <hggdh> jibel: bonne soiree
[19:27] <abhijit> bye
[19:34] <njin> pedro_: aound ?
[19:35] <njin> pedro_: around?
[19:38]  * bcurtiswx tries translating hggdh
[19:41] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: good evening, with syntax errors (should have been 'bonne soirée'
[19:42] <bcurtiswx> Ah, muchas gracias
[19:42] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: er, French, not Spanish ;-)
[19:42] <hggdh> merci beaucoup
[19:43] <bcurtiswx> Lol, I know
[20:41] <njin> pedro_: around?
[20:42] <pedro_> njin, yes
[21:11] <kamusin> don't tell to devildante,  pedro_
[21:11] <pedro_> !
[21:11] <devildante> dammit a secret
[21:11] <pedro_> secret?!
 don't tell to devildante,  pedro_
[21:11] <pedro_> oooh!
[21:11] <nigelb> heh
[21:12] <pedro_> i won't tell you
[21:12] <pedro_> and neither to hggdh
[21:12]  * nigelb neither
[21:12] <nigelb> pedro_: did we ever tell hggdh
[21:12] <pedro_> nigelb, of course not! what are you thinking?
[21:13] <nigelb> pedro_: hahah
[21:13] <hggdh> oh, so now there are two of us...
[21:13] <pedro_> we can tell him another clue at the next BugSquad meeting
[21:13] <pedro_> or at UDS
[21:13] <pedro_> !
[21:13] <hggdh> pedro_: grrrrr
[21:14] <nigelb> pedro_: and next one in natty sprint.  Good idea.
[21:14] <kamusin> muahah
[21:16] <devildante> hey, I just discovered the secret!
[21:16] <pedro_> oh oh oh oh
[21:16] <pedro_> !
[21:16] <pedro_> hggdh, ^
[21:20]  * hggdh adds devildante to the list
[21:20]  * vish consoles hggdh :)
[21:20]  * devildante hides
[21:20] <hggdh> LOL
[21:21] <pedro_> hahahaa


[07:57] <pikapika> Can you start Thunar from the command line with a number of directories pre-opened in tabs?
[08:01] <oerheks> not really .. https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12154, maybe with thunar custom actions? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunarCustomActions
[08:02] <pikapika> Hi oerheks
[08:02] <pikapika> oerheks, it seems passing it a bunch of directories just opens them in separate windows
[08:02] <pikapika> That will do too
[08:03] <oerheks> yes, but not in tabs
[08:04] <pikapika> oerheks, thats fine
[08:04] <pikapika> I just wanted to open a number of files from a pipe on the shell
[08:04] <pikapika> so pipe | xargs to thunar it is
[08:05] <pikapika> Man xargs sure is a useful command ^^
[08:05] <pikapika> oerheks, but thanks for the threads
[08:05] <pikapika> I will like to investigate this later too
[13:26] <Mekaneck> p0indexter: mind fixing your connection please? It's getting a bit noisy in here :)
[13:30] <p0indexter> sry...just moved config files from another device including the autojoins....i get it..but the issue was my ipv6 settings on this device didnt match...all fixed
[13:32] <p0indexter> the experimental logins incuded all the autojoins i do apologize
[13:32] <Mekaneck> all good :)
[13:45] <p0indexter> im running xubuntu on this 32bit asus eee1000 w 2gigs of ram...love it
[13:55] <Mekaneck> 18.04?
[13:56] <Mekaneck> it's actually EOL since end of April
[13:57] <Mekaneck> i guess you'll need to switch to debian for 32 bit support
[13:58] <Mekaneck> i have a Acer netbook myself with 1GB of RAM which runs Debian 10 now and Xfce
[13:58] <p0indexter> yes 18.04
[13:58] <Mekaneck> yep, that's EOL
[13:59] <Mekaneck> all flavors of ubuntu LTS are only supported for 3 years, main Ubuntu 5
[13:59] <p0indexter> i will do debian
[14:02] <p0indexter> ive been recieving security updates
[14:03] <Mekaneck> sure, for the ubuntu base but the desktop stuff isn't supported anymore
[14:07] <p0indexter> ok ty
[14:08] <Mekaneck> np
[14:11] <xu-irc35w> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/356a93aeadc26ece403f373bbc176973/pasted.txt
[14:11] <xu-irc35w> Hi there, while compiling the latest version of Thunar 4.17.3 from the tarball: https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/thunar, I get this error at the end of the compilation:
[14:11] <xu-irc35w> checking for X... no
[14:11] <xu-irc35w> configure: error: X Window system libraries and header files are required
[14:13] <xu-irc35w> Can anybody help me on what specific libraries I should install without breaking my XUbuntu 21.04?
[14:37] <gneeriiloeepdeer> hello
[14:43] <xu-irc35w> Hi
[14:45] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Im upgrading to 21.04 and after trying to compare my new and old /etc/privoxy I couldn't return to the terminal to keep upgrading. If I execute 'sudo apt upgrade' to finish the upgrade I get: 'Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock. It is held by process 77244 (dpkg)', which means that the original upgrade is not finished
[14:46] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I finish the original upgrade? I don't want a broken system
[16:56] <xu-irc35w> Anybody around?