[18:49] <Rinchen> hello mootbot
[18:49] <Rinchen> feeling like working today?
[18:51] <cprov-afk> noooo, what a surprise !
[18:51]  * jtv checks the team calendar for "mootbot vacation"
[18:55] <barry> Rinchen: it worked for me yesterday
[18:55] <Rinchen> I spoke yesterday with seeker about it
[18:56] <bigjools> did he spank the mootbot
[18:56] <Rinchen> yeah
[18:56] <Rinchen> the problem is that he's got very little time and it's written in eggdrop.  The plan is to convert it to python and run it as part of ubottu
[18:56] <Rinchen> but that will likely take months
[18:57] <kiko> Rinchen, we could run mootbot ourselves on EC2? :)
[18:57] <rockstar> Geez. I didn't even think things were actually written in eggdrop.
[18:57] <Rinchen> kiko, I've asked seeker for the source :-)
[18:58] <kiko> rockstar, you volunteer you!!
[18:58] <bigjools> how hard can it be to write our own
[18:58] <rockstar> kiko, Ack!
[18:58]  * rockstar cowers in the corner.
[18:58] <Rinchen> kiko, I don't know if https://edge.launchpad.net/mootbot has the latest version or not
[18:58] <kiko> rockstar, and after that you can work on cscvs!!
[18:59] <Rinchen> bigjools, not hard me thinks
[18:59] <rockstar> kiko, are you dooming me to a life of rough projects?
[18:59] <Rinchen> bigjools, just takes time and we're all kinda short on that
[18:59] <Rinchen> rockstar, not rough projects, educational ones!
[18:59] <kiko> rockstar, if you fix a rough project a week it's only two weeks so far!
[19:00] <Rinchen> #startmeeting
[19:00] <Rinchen> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is Rinchen.
[19:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:00] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[19:00] <Rinchen> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[19:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[19:00] <rockstar> me
[19:00] <Rinchen> me
[19:00] <bigjools> mini me
[19:00] <beuno> me
[19:00] <abentley> me
[19:00] <gmb> Meeeeee
[19:00] <adeuring> me
[19:00] <salgado> me
[19:00] <barry> him
[19:00] <BjornT> me
[19:00] <gmb> bigjools: So, that's just 'jools' then.
[19:00] <jtv> me
[19:00] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[19:00] <mars> me
[19:00] <kiko> pt
[19:00] <sinzui> me
[19:00] <matsubara> me
[19:00] <bigjools> gmb: <golfclap>
[19:00] <Rinchen> gmb, or "ools"
[19:00] <cprov-afk> me
[19:00] <bac> me
[19:01] <Rinchen> Ursinha-lunch, mrevel - ping
[19:01] <bigjools> mini jewels
[19:01] <thumper> me
[19:01] <Ursinha-lunch> me
[19:01] <Ursinha-lunch> !
[19:01] <BjornT> intellectronica: ping
[19:01] <intellectronica> me
[19:01] <BjornT> bugs team is here
[19:01] <leonardr> me
[19:01] <Rinchen> bigjools, murahem is away today?
[19:01] <jtv> translations is just me today
[19:01] <gmb> allenap's doing feathery things today, of course.
[19:01] <gmb> Um...
[19:01] <gmb> *fathery*
[19:02] <bigjools> Rinchen: he's been excused for the ramadan month of September
[19:02] <Rinchen> mrevel?
[19:02] <Rinchen> bigjools, k
[19:02]  * sinzui wonders what feathery things are if they are not bird.
[19:02] <Rinchen> so soyuz is here
[19:02]  * bigjools needs to invent some Flying Spaghetti Monsterism excuse
[19:02] <flacoste> me
[19:02] <thumper> code is here
[19:02] <Rinchen> thanks BjornT and thumper
[19:03] <abentley> bigjools: Pirate Appreciation Day
[19:03] <flacoste> Foundations is here modulo stub
[19:03] <bigjools> arr
[19:03] <kiko> YARR
[19:03] <Rinchen> Looks like releases is here minus mrevel who I'm sure will be along shortly and be very duly embarrassed for being tardy ;-)
[19:03] <Rinchen> ok, let's get going
[19:03] <bigjools> the sun is over the yardarm
[19:04] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Agenda
[19:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Next meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Actions from last meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs (matsubara/ursinha)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * DBA report (stub)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * New packages required (salgado)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Keep status of Critical bugs up to date (flacoste)
[19:04] <barry> abentley: 8 days and counting
[19:04] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Next meeting
[19:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next meeting
[19:04] <mrevel> me
[19:04] <mrevel> sorry
[19:04] <abentley> barry: pardon?
[19:05] <Rinchen> Anyone not available next week?
[19:05] <barry> abentley: http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
[19:05] <Rinchen> ok so then we're all set
[19:05] <Rinchen> [AGREED] Next meeting same time, same place, Sept 18th
[19:05] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Next meeting same time, same place, Sept 18th
[19:06] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Actions from last meeting
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from last meeting
[19:06] <Rinchen> we have a few
[19:06] <Rinchen>  * matsubara to add a note in the MeetingAgenda page about disclosing private bugs that will be discussed during the meeting
[19:06] <Rinchen>  * thumper to chase status of resolve_lp_path (bug 260206)
[19:06] <Rinchen>  * barry to work on more refinements for MailingListAPIView (bug 259440)
[19:06] <Rinchen>  * stub to fix bug on account merging raising db constraint (bug 263672)
[19:06] <Rinchen>  * stub to patch our fti regexp to avoid OOPSes (bug 174368) and discuss a proper fix with jtv
[19:06] <thumper> Rinchen: as you can see bug 260206 is fix-committed
[19:06] <Ursinha-lunch> resolve_lp_path bug is fix committed
[19:06] <Ursinha-lunch> :)
[19:06] <barry> Rinchen: it's bug 269025 now
[19:06] <Rinchen> thanks thumper and Ursinha-lunch
[19:07] <Ursinha-lunch> bug 263672 is also fix committed
[19:07] <Rinchen> thanks barry.  I don't need to track this as an action then so I'm removing it and we'll track is as a critical bug
[19:07]  * Ursinha-lunch kicks ubottu
[19:07] <Rinchen> matsubara ?
[19:07] <Rinchen> no stub...hmmm
[19:07]  * kiko chuckles
[19:07] <matsubara> Rinchen: yes?
[19:08] <Rinchen> ok, I checked and matsubara's is completed
[19:08] <kiko> so
[19:08] <Rinchen> looks like stub has one but not the other completed
[19:08] <kiko> I know that stub fixed one half of his todos there
[19:08] <kiko> exactly
[19:08] <Rinchen> so I'll keep stub's second one on the list then
[19:08]  * kiko high Vs Rinchen
[19:08] <Ursinha> bug 174368 - i was going to talk with stub about it
[19:08] <kiko> parfait
[19:08] <Rinchen> right o
[19:09]  * Rinchen looks up the mootbot syntax
[19:09] <Rinchen> [ACTION]  stub to patch our fti regexp to avoid OOPSes (bug 174368) and discuss a proper fix with jtv
[19:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:   stub to patch our fti regexp to avoid OOPSes (bug 174368) and discuss a proper fix with jtv
[19:09] <jtv> Rinchen: we never got around to that.
[19:09] <beuno> Rinchen, 15:00 < MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:09] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Oops report & Critical Bugs (matsubara/ursinha)
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oops report & Critical Bugs (matsubara/ursinha)
[19:09] <Ursinha> show time
[19:10] <Ursinha> bugs for today: 254918,  268612, 260140, 268264
[19:10] <Ursinha> for foundations
[19:10] <Ursinha> bug 254918 (timeout in +addbranch): lifeless filed it
[19:10] <bigjools> can I add bug 268421
[19:11] <Ursinha> bigjools, i got one for you, bug 268612
[19:11] <bigjools> too kind :)  it's in PQM right now
[19:11] <Ursinha> bigjools, as that bug was a critical, guess matsubara will talk about that later
[19:11] <Ursinha> cool, taking note
[19:12] <Ursinha> the timeout in +addbranch, matsubara asked me to point it
[19:12] <Ursinha> bug 254918
[19:12] <bigjools> oh wait, 268612 is not critical
[19:12] <kiko> the first is a thumper one I guess..
[19:12] <thumper> kiko: I looked at it, and I don't think so
[19:12] <kiko> thumper, what do you think it is?
[19:13] <Ursinha> bigjools, but 268421 is
[19:13] <thumper> some weird publication issue
[19:13] <thumper> not a simple code issue
[19:13] <thumper> some retry, timeout, failure reporting issue
[19:13] <matsubara> maybe foundations could add some input in the report.
[19:14] <kiko> sounds good
[19:14] <Ursinha> so
[19:15] <Ursinha> anyone of foundations that want to add something to that?
[19:15] <kiko> flacoste?
[19:15] <flacoste> no
[19:15] <kiko> heh
[19:15] <Ursinha> salgado?
[19:15] <salgado> am I allowed to say no as well?
[19:15] <thumper> no
[19:16] <kiko> salgado, no, you are not fixing mailman issues, so you have no trump card
[19:16] <salgado> which bug is that, btw?
[19:16] <kiko> http://launchpad.net/bugs/254918
[19:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpad.net/bugs/254918
[19:16] <Ursinha> bug 254918
[19:16] <Rinchen>  /culture_shift Please say "yes, I'd love to help!"  :-)
[19:16] <Ursinha> what do you say?
[19:17] <salgado> it looks nasty
[19:17] <flacoste> which one?
[19:17] <salgado> I'll take it
[19:17] <Ursinha> cool
[19:17] <flacoste> #268421 is easy
[19:17] <flacoste> well, kind of
[19:17] <salgado> but they want to give me the other one
[19:17] <Ursinha> flacoste, it's 254918
[19:17] <kiko> flacoste, that one is for next month, we know already
[19:18] <Ursinha> so cool
[19:18] <Ursinha> moving on?
[19:18] <Ursinha> bug 260140
[19:18] <matsubara> Ursinha: let's not block on 254918. salgado can give some input later in the report.
[19:18] <kiko> Ursinha, is that still happening on edge?
[19:18] <matsubara> and that issue doesn't happen often anyway
[19:19] <Ursinha> kiko, no
[19:19] <Ursinha> only in LP
[19:19] <Ursinha> lpnet
[19:19] <kiko> Ursinha, okay, let's arrange a CP for that revision onto lpnet then
[19:19] <Ursinha> cool! that's what i was expecting
[19:19] <Ursinha> great
[19:19] <Ursinha> bug 268264
[19:20] <Ursinha> need a person to this bug
[19:20] <thumper> I'll take it for now
[19:20] <Ursinha> it's a ugly bug
[19:20] <flacoste> Ursinha: sorry, for jumping in, but has anybody been able to reproduce this?
[19:20] <Ursinha> cool!
[19:20] <Ursinha> flacoste, which one?
[19:20] <flacoste> Ursinha: #254918
[19:20] <rockstar> thumper, I did that initial branch.  Would you like me to look at it?
[19:20] <thumper> rockstar: yes please
[19:20] <salgado> flacoste, I bet no
[19:20] <rockstar> thumper, I'm on it.
[19:20] <flacoste> then i say ignore for now
[19:21] <Ursinha> flacoste, i didn't, matsubara?
[19:21] <salgado> I've seen something similar, though
[19:21] <salgado> I'll have a quick look
[19:22] <matsubara> Ursinha: nope.
[19:22] <Ursinha> flacoste, so, no
[19:22] <flacoste> salgado: then a very quick look :-)
[19:23] <matsubara> Ursinha: just keep an eye for similar timeout OOPSes. if they start to happen more frequently add to the report and ask some input from foundations
[19:23] <Ursinha> well, for me that's all, other bugs are critical and matsubara will talk about them
[19:23] <salgado> flacoste, not the same thing I saw before.  I'll ignore it for now
[19:23] <Ursinha> matsubara, sure, i'm watching
[19:23] <matsubara> all right
[19:23] <matsubara> so, here we go
[19:23] <matsubara> We have 3 critical bugs not in progress yet. They are bugs 265067, 268421, 269025
[19:23] <matsubara> barry, can I move 265067 and 269025 to in progress? Anything blocking you there?
[19:23] <flacoste> spurious codehosting failures!!!
[19:24] <barry> matsubara: see flacoste :)
[19:24] <matsubara> flacoste, news about 268421? (you said that one is easy, cool!)
[19:24] <Ursinha> matsubara, i guess he's working hard on that
[19:24] <matsubara> Soyuz has two in progress, bugs 269021 and 269014. Any blockers there, cprov?
[19:24] <barry> 269025 is in progress
[19:24] <bigjools> 1st one is in PQM
[19:24] <barry> matsubara: 265067 is trying to land and get cb'd
[19:24] <cprov-afk> I'm on the 2nd
[19:24] <thumper> flacoste: we save them for the end of week 3
[19:25] <matsubara> cprov-afk: what's it?
[19:25] <cprov-afk> matsubara: a bug in python-apt in hardy that needs a workaround in soyuz
[19:25] <kiko> cprov-afk, a funny bug too
[19:26] <kiko> broken since 1903
[19:26] <kiko> detected today
[19:26] <bigjools> sounds like a beer commercial
[19:26] <Ursinha> haha :)
[19:26] <Rinchen> 1903? wow, that's like 105 coding years ago ;-)
[19:27] <kiko> Rinchen the mathmatician
[19:27] <kiko> kiko the speler
[19:27] <bigjools> but not if you consider coding years are like dog years
[19:27] <kiko> Rinchen, moving on
[19:27]  * Rinchen checks the clock.
[19:27] <matsubara> flacoste: by your previous comments, I guess you want to punt 268421 to salgado?
[19:27] <salgado> eh?
[19:27] <flacoste> matsubara: that might not be a bad idea  :-)
[19:27]  * jijua77 is away: Away
[19:28] <matsubara> salgado: if you're ok with (please, say yes). we can move on :-)
[19:28]  * kiko pushes Rinchen
[19:29] <salgado> I won't have much time to look into that today
[19:29] <Rinchen> matsubara, Ursinha - that's your signal to come to a closure :-)
[19:29] <matsubara> well, it's critical, you need to drop everything to deal with or we need to drop the importance
[19:29] <Ursinha> Rinchen, guess we have to have critical bugs assigned before that
[19:30] <matsubara> s/with/with it/
[19:30] <flacoste> well, there is critical and critical :-)
[19:30] <matsubara> heh
[19:30] <salgado> matsubara, right, but after this meeting I have my weekly 1-1 call with flacoste and there won't be much hours left for my day after that
[19:30] <flacoste> matsubara: anyway, leave me assigned to it for now
[19:31] <matsubara> well, since you guys will be talking, you can sort it out :-)
[19:31] <matsubara> thanks flacoste and salgado
[19:31] <Rinchen> anything else matsubara?
[19:31] <matsubara> back to you Rinchen, sorry for the delay
[19:31] <Rinchen> no worries, thanks matsubara and Ursinha
[19:31] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Operations report
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Operations report
[19:31] <Rinchen> I guess I have this one today
[19:31] <Rinchen> • Codebrowse still having some issues
[19:31] <Rinchen> • App servers still dying. Similar to codebrowse, not as often
[19:31] <Rinchen> • IO Sprinting in London all this week
[19:31] <Rinchen> • All the LOSA LP wiki pages are being moved to the LP wiki
[19:31] <Rinchen> • We're currently doing a bug report sprint to record all the
[19:31] <Rinchen> funkies/manual tasks that should be in the UI
[19:31] <Rinchen> • Confirming that we don't have any more RF branches that can be hosted
[19:31] <Rinchen> on LP itself???
[19:31] <Rinchen> • psycopg2 has been upgraded on all Prod servers
[19:32] <Rinchen> • That's it from the LOSA team unless there are any questions
[19:32] <Rinchen>
[19:32] <Rinchen> There was an email thread about this as well
[19:32] <Rinchen> My suggestion is to discuss these items there and move on with the meeting.
[19:32] <Rinchen> Objections?
[19:32] <matsubara> no
[19:32] <Rinchen> ok.
[19:32] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] DBA report (stub)
[19:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  DBA report (stub)
[19:32] <Rinchen> stub is missing again
[19:33] <Rinchen> flacoste, I'll leave the DBA report to you
[19:33] <flacoste> DBA report (proxied for stub who was abducted by Morpheus)
[19:33] <flacoste> - DB patches landed.
[19:33] <flacoste> - Some more late DB patch to review.
[19:33] <flacoste> - Will investigate test-suite slow-down since the multiple store support landed.
[19:33] <flacoste> EOT
[19:33] <Rinchen> any status updates flacoste on the master slave project?
[19:34] <flacoste> we will begin testing on demo once the replication scripts branch lands
[19:34] <flacoste> review is in progress
[19:34] <Rinchen> super
[19:34] <flacoste> but the priority is the multiple-stores fall-out
[19:34] <Rinchen> any questions for flacoste ?
[19:34] <flacoste> since we are rolloing that out next week
[19:35] <Rinchen> thanks flacoste
[19:35] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:35] <Rinchen> Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent?
[19:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:35] <Rinchen> I have an RT in for bigjools' shared imap for community help rotation
[19:35] <bigjools> woohoo
[19:35] <kiko> phew! awesome!
[19:36]  * beuno has the ticket to update help.lp.net and news.lp.net
[19:36] <Rinchen> anyone else blocked on anything, especially for the roll-out next week?
[19:36] <beuno> since before I started
[19:36] <beuno> still not urgent though
[19:36] <beuno> https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html
[19:36] <kiko> beuno, the help thing?
[19:36] <mrevel> Rinchen: 28196 - spam plugin - would be nice but so old not urgent
[19:36] <beuno> ehm
[19:36] <Rinchen> beuno, I spoke with elmo about giving the LOSAs access to do that. He's going to see what can be done.
[19:36] <matsubara> beuno: out of curiosity, what needs updating there?
[19:36] <kiko> Rinchen, can we get the help wiki finally updated?
[19:36] <beuno> Rinchen, yes
[19:36] <beuno> https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=31420
[19:36] <beuno> kiko, yes
[19:37] <beuno> matsubara, the themes
[19:37] <beuno> I have branches for both
[19:37] <Rinchen> in theory, the LOSAs should be able to do help.l.n  but they don't have access to news.l.n
[19:37] <matsubara> beuno: okie, thanks
[19:37] <Rinchen> beuno, can you please email the losa email addy and see if they can take the ticket for help.l.n?
[19:38] <Rinchen> Tom has done roll-outs there before so I know they have access
[19:38] <beuno> Rinchen, will do. We still need news though
[19:38] <Rinchen> maybe they can do it as a training exercise since they are in London
[19:38] <Rinchen> ok, thanks.
[19:38] <beuno> thanks Rinchen
[19:39] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] New packages required (salgado)
[19:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  New packages required (salgado)
[19:39]  * henninge has to run but hopes that everybody will take it easy on jtv
[19:39] <salgado> what's it for me this week?
[19:40] <Rinchen> ok then. thanks salgado
[19:40] <salgado> I've just emailed the LOSAs to know what version of psycopg2 they're using now.  we want to use the same for development
[19:40] <salgado> btw
[19:40] <salgado> thanks Rinchen
[19:40] <Rinchen> good move
[19:40] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Keep status of Critical bugs up to date (flacoste)
[19:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Keep status of Critical bugs up to date (flacoste)
[19:40] <flacoste> yeah
[19:41] <flacoste> so it's important when we work on Critical bugs
[19:41] <flacoste> especially public ones
[19:41] <flacoste> to add a comment at least daily to inform of progress
[19:41] <flacoste> in the mailing list time out
[19:41] <flacoste> for example
[19:41] <flacoste> there were no comments posted for nearly one week
[19:42] <flacoste> although we did progress and work on it everyday
[19:42] <Rinchen> no comments gives the community the impression that nobody is working on the problem
[19:42] <flacoste> and that progress was communicated internally
[19:42] <flacoste> through our standup notes
[19:42] <flacoste> but for people external to the team, it just looks like we are twiddling our thumbs :-)
[19:43] <flacoste> that's all, any comments?
[19:43] <flacoste> +1, -1
[19:43] <bigjools> +1
[19:43] <Rinchen> +1
[19:43] <Ursinha> +1
[19:43] <beuno> +1
[19:43] <matsubara> +1
[19:43] <barry> flacoste: +1.  when can we have a "still working on it" button? :)
[19:43] <jtv> barry++
[19:43] <cprov-afk> +1
[19:43] <Rinchen> The hard part is just trying to remember to actually comment on it.
[19:43] <barry> flacoste: or do you spell that launchpadlib+pythongoo ?
[19:43] <kiko> Rinchen, once a day sending an email to a bug number isn't that hard..
[19:44] <flacoste> barry: actually, that's right!
[19:44] <barry> Rinchen: if we can do it through the api, then cron's your bff
[19:44] <Rinchen> kiko, I agree. Remembering to do that though isn't always easy
[19:44] <thumper> +1
[19:44] <Rinchen> anyway, thanks flacoste
[19:44]  * barry starts a-hackin'
[19:44] <Rinchen> we have one tiny late edition to the agenda
[19:44] <Rinchen>
[19:44] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Changes to this meeting! (kiko)
[19:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Changes to this meeting! (kiko)
[19:44] <kiko> Rinchen, maybe emailing bug numbers should be easier...
[19:44] <kiko> anyway
[19:44] <kiko> ***********************
[19:44] <kiko> howdy everybody
[19:44] <kiko> if you look at your clocks, there's 1 minute left of meeting
[19:45] <thumper> 0
[19:45] <kiko> and I don't mean just this week's
[19:45] <kiko> I hope you enjoyed it
[19:45] <kiko> because it's the last week we will run the meeting with this audience and in this format
[19:45] <mrevell> Oooh, we're witnessing history.
[19:45] <kiko> from now on, the thursday meetings are disbanded
[19:45] <jtv> gasp
[19:45] <Ursinha> oh my
[19:45]  * bigjools boggles
[19:46] <barry> :-o
[19:46] <gmb> THE SKY IS FALLING...
[19:46] <Rinchen> but, there is a but
[19:46] <Rinchen> :-)
[19:46] <kiko> jeroen and stub don't have to be (pretend they are?) zombies any more
[19:46] <barry> we fear change
[19:46] <gmb> *drumroll*
[19:46] <kiko> we'll be having a Production meeting
[19:46] <kiko> which will be run by joey's dynamic duo
[19:46] <Rinchen> Ursinha, matsubara ^^
[19:47] <Ursinha> hahaha
[19:47] <Ursinha> cool
[19:47]  * mrevell is Alf the butler
[19:47] <Ursinha> lol
[19:47] <rockstar> mrevell, wasn't Alf an alien?
[19:47] <kiko> attendees will be releases, LOSAs and each team's QA contact
[19:47] <bigjools> mrevell: lol
[19:47] <intellectronica> what's a team's qa contact?
[19:47]  * abentley pictures an orange, pig-nosed alien butler.
[19:47] <kiko> you are encouraged to come if there is some production issue that you are concerned about
[19:48] <kiko> intellectronica, it's a role which will be established by next wednesday by your team lead <wink>
[19:48] <sinzui> mrevell: You must have been strategically shaven that last time I saw you
[19:48]  * kiko agrees with abentley
[19:48] <rockstar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALF_(TV_series)
[19:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALF_(TV_series)
[19:48] <kiko> and that's all the news. cancel the item out of your agenda. cherish the memories. and look forward to more meaty, less washy meetings.
[19:48] <intellectronica> kiko: can team members take turns?
[19:48] <mrevell> Dynamic duo ... Batman and Robin ... which leaves me as Alfred Pennyworth
[19:49] <gmb> intellectronica: +1
[19:49] <bigjools> does this mean that Ursinha and matsubara have to wear capes?
[19:49] <flacoste> kiko: when does it play?
[19:49] <kiko> flacoste, right now. this was the last meeting.
[19:49] <Ursinha> bigjools, i don't want to be robin
[19:49] <bigjools> who does!
[19:49] <matsubara> I'm not wearing my underwear over my pants
[19:49] <Ursinha> lol
[19:49] <gmb> mrevell: Which makes you Michael Caine, by current reckoning.
[19:49] <Rinchen> mrevell, I guess that means I'm Commissioner Gordon then?
[19:49] <kiko> mrevell, you are above and beyond these crude QA fanatics
[19:49] <intellectronica> matsubara: please do next time
[19:49] <matsubara> but it'd be cool to drive the batmobile!
[19:49] <mrevell> Heh
[19:49] <flacoste> kiko: when will the production meeting be held, and where?
[19:49] <bigjools> matsubara: so you have to go change then?  /me ducks
[19:50] <kiko> flacoste, that's for us to decide. I suggest the same time and place, but different attendees.
[19:50] <flacoste> ok
[19:50] <kiko> it was nice while it landed
[19:50] <kiko> but 35 people is too much for a meeting
[19:50] <rockstar> matsubara, Robin never drove the Batmobile
[19:50] <kiko> it was also nice while it LASTED
[19:50]  * bigjools applauds
[19:50] <Rinchen> and it's a bit of a disruption during the week
[19:50] <rockstar> He had that motorcycle.
[19:51] <salgado> rockstar, just like the one matsubara has
[19:51] <Rinchen> This of course means your daily team standups become even more valuable.
[19:51] <kiko> rockstar, I think he didn't have a proper driver's license
[19:51] <rockstar> kiko, so it was 49CC moped then?
[19:51] <Rinchen> If you need something brought up, you can attend the production meeting or pass it to your QA contact
[19:51] <Ursinha> kiko, matsubara has the license to drive motorcycles, i don't
[19:51] <kiko> rockstar, I think he was an illegal
[19:51] <kiko> exactly what Rinchen said
[19:51] <kiko> stay tuned for the official announcement on-list
[19:51] <kiko> and teamleads, look at your inboxes tonight :)
[19:52] <rockstar> kiko, "an illegal" in my country is an illegal immigrant
[19:52] <kiko> Rinchen, that's my item
[19:52] <matsubara> salgado: my bike is much better than robin's
[19:52] <Rinchen> [AGREED] This is the last, ever, weekly Team IRC Meeting. History hath been made.
[19:52] <MootBot> AGREED received:  This is the last, ever, weekly Team IRC Meeting. History hath been made.
[19:52] <sinzui> What, prey tell, was legal in a story about a vigilante?
[19:52] <rockstar> +1 sinzui
[19:52] <mrevell> I'
[19:52] <mrevell> oops
[19:52] <kiko> thanks Rinchen
[19:52] <Rinchen> and with that, I bid you all, adieu
[19:52] <bigjools> but not goodbye
[19:52] <rockstar> But I seem to fool like Batman and Robin were All-American
[19:52] <salgado> matsubara, you know... that's just your opinion, man
[19:52] <mrevell> thanks all and god speed
[19:52] <Rinchen> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[19:52] <Rinchen> #endmeeting
[19:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:52.
[19:53] <matsubara> salgado: I feel scammed. you previously owned it!
[19:53] <Ursinha> hahahahah now i got the joke
[19:53] <salgado> and I loved it, but it's nothing compared to robin's
[19:53] <rockstar> Robin's had guns on it and stuff.
[19:54] <rockstar> I think you have to live in the Southern U.S. to get away with that these days.
[19:54] <bigjools> yeehaw
[19:55] <salgado> rockstar, or any country in the southern hemisphere (with very few exceptions)
[19:55] <rockstar> salgado,  I lived in Guyana for a year.  I've seen something similar.
[19:55] <rockstar> Although it was usually a pedal bike
[20:02] <kiko> rockstar, guyana! ah, right, I remember now!


[00:28] <pleia2> slow news week
[01:45] <pleia2> still, sent the doc off to summary writers, maybe more articles will turn up over the weekend
[01:45] <pleia2> time for dinner with friends, I'll be out tomorrow too
[01:46] <Unit193> "No news is good news"?
[01:46] <pleia2> must be the nice weather
[01:46] <pleia2> no writing, only picnics
[01:46] <pleia2> have a nice evening :)


[00:30] <csn> QUIT Yawn...
[02:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Muon done too.
[02:44] <ahoneybun> hey all
[03:36] <apachelogger> I am no saucy now
[03:36] <apachelogger> weeh
[03:36] <apachelogger> only broke kernelz and grub xD
[03:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://i.imgur.com/WomlXUM.png \o/
[04:02] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, valorie: https://trello.com/b/4zyxwgRP/kubuntu-docs-trusty-tahr please rename that to 14.04 Documentation
[04:02]  * apachelogger gets an itch when lists are weird
[04:10] <ahoneybun> that was my handy work
[04:11] <ahoneybun> jono_: bacon>
[04:11] <ahoneybun> ?
[04:11] <jono_> hey ahoneybun
[04:11] <jono_> yup
[04:17] <ahoneybun> hey jono
[04:17] <jono> hey ahoneybun :-)
[04:18] <ahoneybun> idk why but it feels like I'm talking to a celebity lol
[04:23] <valorie> omg, re-watching The Pandorica Opens
[04:24] <valorie> I know apachelogger knows....
[04:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nice.
[04:42] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[04:48] <ahoneybun> jono: will there be any chance for Ubuntu Touch to come to the Verizon/Sprint version of the Galaxy Nexus?
[05:24] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[05:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: howdy lol
[06:00]  * valorie is watching Nova, so not really 'here'
[08:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: Happy Birthday :)
[08:40] <yurchor> apachelogger: Hi! Is ufw-kde docs ready to be translated by KDE translation teams?
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1242293] Plasma-desktop crashes regularly every 5 minutes after 13.10 update @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242293 (by Klaus Kettner)
[11:15] <yurchor> apachelogger: Ok. I have added ufw-kde to the list of KDE docs for translation (will be processed by scripty tomorrow's morning). PDF version for the reference: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55247264/ufw-kde.pdf
[11:49] <Riddell> cyphermox: what happened to nm <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:14] <markey> I think the Amarok package should just depend on libqtscript4-qtbindings, instead of hand-picking some of the libqtscript4-* packages
[12:14] <markey> because e.g. currently libqtscript4-webkit is missing, for no good reason
[12:20] <markey> heh, Muon is a bit broken on my system. keeps telling me there are updates, and then when I open Muon it says there are no updates
[12:20] <markey> (although there are some)
[12:35] <yofel> markey: could you please file a bug?
[12:35] <markey> sure
[12:35] <markey> oh
[12:35] <markey> you mean about Muon or Amarok?
[12:36] <yofel> well, both really. Though you might want to file the amarok one at debian too
[12:36] <markey> ok
[12:36] <yofel> if we're missing webkit then they're missing it too
[12:36] <markey> I still haven't really understood the relationship between Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Debian packaging
[12:37] <yofel> kubuntu == ubuntu, and we try to keep as close to debian as possible
[12:37] <markey> but you create your own packages of KDE software, right?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> "morning folks
[12:38] <markey> in other cases you just use the Debian packages
[12:39] <yofel> well, yeah. But the packaging is based on the debian packages, and we regularily merge some of the differences
[12:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1242293] Plasma-desktop crashes regularly every 5 minutes after 13.10 update @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242293 (by Klaus Kettner)
[12:46] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: thx
[12:53] <yofel> kubotu: order birthday package for shadeslayer_
[12:53]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[12:53]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to shadeslayer_ and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[12:53] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday shadeslayer_, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[12:53] <kubotu> Happy Birthday shadeslayer_ :D
[12:53] <kubotu> To your health!
[12:53] <yofel> happy birthday :)
[12:59] <markey> oh yes, happy bday shadeslayer_ :)
[13:00] <markey> I hope you have nice weather today in Barcelona. here it's raining
[13:04] <BluesKaj> to early for beer here , but Happy Birthday shadeslayer_  :)
[13:53] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1222133] Kwin regression slipped in KDE 4.11.1 - Taskbar minimize/maximize @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1222133 (by Sergio Callegari)
[15:01] <Riddell> positive review for Kubuntu http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/kubuntu-reviews/kubuntu-13-10/
[15:06] <markey> nice
[15:06] <markey> he's got a point regarding the Muon naming
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Riddell. "Improved network manager applet" ..really ? :)
[15:18] <soee> hi
[15:22] <Peace-> hola
[15:23] <markey> If only I could figure out what's wrong with my Clang installation
[15:24] <markey> it's got trouble with the standard library as soon as I enable C++11
[15:25] <markey> which worked fine up until some point, and then it stopped working after an update
[15:27] <soee> why there are some packages like libunity scopes in kubuntu ?
[15:27] <soee> are there used anywhere ?
[16:45] <markey> if anyone is interested, I sorted my issues with Clang and C++11
[16:46] <markey> turned out the culprit was -fdelayed-template-parsing, which got added by FindKDE4Internal.cmake
[16:46] <markey> apachelogger: ^
[17:07] <shadeslayer_> yofel: thanks a ton :D
[17:07] <shadeslayer_> markey: thx :)
[17:28] <skreech__> I'm getting Ubuntu- packages pulled in as an update. Is that normal?
[20:05] <Quintasan> crap
[20:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Well, happy birthday?
[20:05] <Quintasan> Or is it after?
[21:36] <valorie> happy birthday, shadeslayer_!
[21:37] <valorie> to your health


[03:05] <khoover> just finished reading some Mex threads from GWJ...what have I been missing in my life?
[05:26] <bregma> woo-hoo, leaving for home and -30
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:41] <epod-mobile> Ubuntuuuuuu!
[22:59] <hail> hello all    any one here have any experience with quickly   (program to write python applications with glade)


[02:23] <Logan> can someone please reject my musescore upload in Xenial? I did the version numbering incorrectly :(
[02:26] <Logan> please reject the first one and approve the second one :3
[11:36] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Morning
[11:36] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I've got a couple of package deletions for Yakkety.
[11:36] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-netspeed/+bug/1584769
[11:36] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/1584767
[11:48] <xnox> hello, please reject "s390-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [1.34.0-0ubuntu8 => 1.34.0-0ubuntu8.1] (no packageset)"
[11:48] <xnox> will reupload with one more bugfix
[11:57] <apw> xnox, done
[11:58] <xnox> thanks
[13:24] <sergiusens> cjwatson hey, sorry to bug you but I uploaded a package on Friday and can't find it, this is all I have "[ubuntu/xenial-proposed] snapcraft 2.10 (Waiting for approval)"
[13:25] <cjwatson> sergiusens: it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1 awaiting SRU team approval
[13:26] <sergiusens> cjwatson I swear I checked there :-/ Thanks!
[14:28] <Trevinho> bdmurray: I got emails about possible SRU regresisons (multiple mails actually :-)), but I think they're nothuing new.
[14:34] <bdmurray> Trevinho: I agree about the regressions not being new issues.  I'll look into why you got multiple emails too.
[14:49] <sergiusens> infinity hi there, can I get snapcraft allowed into xenial-proposed?
[15:47] <apw> sergiusens, the exception for that has all sorts of QA requirements, where are you documenting they are complete?  I don't see anything in the first couple of bugs.
[15:50] <sergiusens> apw are you talking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Snapcraft ?
[15:55] <apw> sergiusens, yep that one
[15:55] <sergiusens> apw everything change lands with a test in code (snapcraft.tests for unit tests, integration_tests and/or demo_tests)
[15:56] <apw> sergiusens, right but the SRU is supposed to indicate that all of the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SnapcraftUpdates have been completed
[15:57] <elopio> apw: QA here. Everything for this release is tested in autopkgtests. Once it gets to proposed, I do a manual verification.
[15:57] <sergiusens> apw but our package hasn't been built yet, it is stuck in the unnapproved queue
[15:57] <apw> sergiusens, i was unable to find that easily, so i was asking where as i was sure infinity will ask
[15:57] <sergiusens> apw https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=snapcraft
[15:58] <apw> sergiusens, ahh ok the write up there is not well worded as i took it to mean before queueig, and yet in there is says -proposed, so ... ignore me
[15:59] <sergiusens> elopio mind rewording a bit ^ ?
[15:59] <elopio> apw: we do parts before it gets to proposed, and parts after it gets to proposed. I thought that by proposing it, we were saying that we followed the process.
[16:01] <elopio> apw: I'm happy to make this clearer, just not sure how. Should I comment on every bug the tests we did before proposing it?
[16:19] <xnox> elopio, apw, sergiusens - autopkgtests do run from silos. you should get a silo assigned, upload for xenial sru, which will build and run packages.
[16:19] <xnox> then sru team can copy that into -proposed.
[16:20] <xnox> autopkgtests will run again, and things will publish in -proposed
[16:20] <xnox> and then migrate to -updates if all is good.
[16:20] <xnox> please use silos in the future, and then you can satisfy everything upfront.
[16:21] <elopio> xnox: we run the autopkgtests in jenkins. That works the same as putting the package in the silo, afaik. I'm not sure what we will win by that extra step.
[16:22] <xnox> elopio, not needing jenkins =) and the fact that SRU team has no visibility into jenkins, but do have visibility into http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/
[16:22] <xnox> and that you don't need to block on stable release updates team accepting your package, to see if it will be accepted. as silo assgniment is self-service.
[16:23] <xnox> and it's the same binary that will be used into the -updates pocket, as the one build in silo.
[16:23] <xnox> things built in jenkins, are obviously thrown away =)
[16:23] <elopio> xnox: so if we put the package in a silo, and it passes the autopkgtests there, it will get to proposed without any manual step?
[16:23] <xnox> elopio, there is manual step still. but there are less questions about those =)
[16:24] <xnox> as in, it's more trivial to process then opaque thing. as above.
[16:24] <xnox> *than
[16:25] <elopio> xnox: if it simplifies things, I'm not against doing that. But I still don't understand some things, like, I don't see any results from silos in autopkgtest.ubuntu.com.
[16:26] <elopio> what we are trying to explain in the SRU exception page is that no PR lands into master if the autopkgtests don't pass.
[17:26] <sergiusens> xnox I cannot dput to silos
[17:29] <xnox> sergiusens, i know i can.
[17:30] <sergiusens> xnox we are trying to move people away from the equation, not add them
[17:30] <xnox> sergiusens, do you release from git/bzr branches? silos can just take that, merge branches for you and throw things into a silo...
[17:30] <sergiusens> xnox I can dput to the archives but not that train ting
[17:30] <xnox> sergiusens, and e.g. i think it's easy to get right sto dput thing sinto silos.
[17:30] <sergiusens> xnox yes, git branches on gitub
[17:30] <xnox> sergiusens, e.g. i can dput to silos.
[17:30] <sergiusens> github
[17:31] <xnox> silos can take things from github direct, without $someone in the middle generating things and dput things
[17:31] <sergiusens> xnox I don't want to depend on people being around, I already have to chase people down to get the darn package accepted.
[17:31] <xnox> sergiusens, talk to sil2100 to get dput permissions into silos.
[17:31] <sergiusens> xnox does it still mangle changelogs and versions?
[17:31] <xnox> sergiusens, yes, that's what i'm trying to reduce too!
[17:31] <sergiusens> xnox last I talked to him he said it wasn't possible
[17:31] <xnox> silos are entirely self-service.
[17:32] <xnox> i'm sure it is, cause i can dput stuff =/
[17:32] <xnox> into silos
[17:32] <sergiusens> xnox yeah, they let core devs dput to silos, no one else
[17:32] <xnox> sergiusens, oh y, r u not core dev? =)
[17:33] <sergiusens> xnox no, just ppu
[17:41] <sil2100> sergiusens: hey! Policies changed a bit, if you have PPU access for some packages then we can give you direct-silo upload permissions
[17:41] <sil2100> sergiusens: we generally do not want to give those powers right now to people that we don't know
[17:41] <sil2100> sergiusens: let me add you in a minute
[17:49] <sergiusens> sil2100 xnox ok, I'll do that for the next upload then
[17:49] <sergiusens> I consider this one running under the agreed upon course
[17:49] <sergiusens> it would be good to see the StableReleaseUpdates wiki page mention the fact that silos are now required
[17:49] <sergiusens> slangasek ^
[17:49] <xnox> sergiusens, they are not required.
[17:50] <xnox> but they help you, satisfy your requirements.
[17:50] <sergiusens> xnox ah, then I'll probably pass. We already satisfy our requirements
[17:50]  * apw regrets muddying the water
[17:50] <xnox> general srus are one-off, for unique bugs, and hence upload to unapproved queue, wait forever, test whenever, release whenever is good enough.
[17:50] <xnox> sergiusens, well, not quite.
[17:50] <sergiusens> xnox we have an exception
[17:51] <xnox> sergiusens, silo is self-service, and will allow you to do all the testing sans las publications, and you will find your reviewes from a silo copy of binaries to be done reqlly quickly.
[17:51] <xnox> instead of always being stuck for 1-5 weeks in the SRU unapproved queue.
[17:51] <xnox> even though you do satisfy requirements.
[17:51] <sergiusens> xnox so far we've gone from initial upload to publication in 3 days
[17:52] <xnox> #toolong =)
[17:52] <infinity> xnox: Err, since when do silo SRUs get reviewed "really quickly"?
[17:52] <xnox> silos get same day publication, and you essentially can do manual testing straight away, and autopkgtest testing is done straight away.
[17:52] <xnox> infinity, you are back =)
[17:52] <infinity> xnox: The SRU team tends to hate reviewing copies. :P
[17:52] <xnox> infinity, how alive are you? =)
[17:52] <xnox> or just really good meds?
[17:53]  * apw hits the rewind time button, and keeps quiet
[17:53] <infinity> I'm about 60% alive.
[17:53]  * xnox passes infinity +5 hp healing potion
[17:54] <xnox> infinity, i guess it's up to you if you want to see bi-weekly snappy SRU as a source dput, or a copy.
[17:54] <xnox> one might not build, might fail tests, might fail autopkgtest - the other one managed to pass all that, just before a copy.
[18:00] <cjwatson> xnox: it might be a good idea to check what the SRU team wants before spending ages advising people what to do :-)
[18:00] <cjwatson> the problem with copies is mainly the age-old one that it's a pain to get diffs for them
[18:01] <cjwatson> (which is an LP bug, and so my problem, sure, but it's Hard)
[18:09] <infinity> cjwatson: Soyuz Redesign!