[00:01] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone would forward Bug 607372 to b.k.o.
[05:29] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1151987 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp package.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[05:29] <CIA-33> Apparently libapt-pkg returns null const char pointers when you try to call
[05:29] <CIA-33> Section() on a package that lacks a section. :/ I naively thought that we might
[05:30] <JontheEchidna> well, first official bug squashed. :) (kde bug 245177)
[05:31] <JontheEchidna> This probably does mean that I'll have to check each use of a libapt-pkg call from libqapt, and determine whether or not there is a risk of it returning a null pointer :/
[05:32] <JontheEchidna> tomorrow, though. Sleepy times...
[07:12] <apachelogger> good morning Kubuntu
[07:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for Nightrose
[07:12]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[07:12]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Nightrose and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[07:12] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Nightrose, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[07:12] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Nightrose :D
[07:12] <kubotu> To your health!
[07:12] <apachelogger> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:12]  * apachelogger kisses and huggles Nightrose
[07:30] <nigelb> oh, happy birthday Nightrose :)
[07:59] <Riddell> hugs to birthday Nightrose!
[09:17] <Riddell> kdevelop needing packaged if there's any takers
[10:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for Nightrose
[10:04]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Nightrose.
[10:04] <Quintasan> Happy birthday!
[10:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: dunno if you got my messages yesterday (my ISP is doing something nasty) but the files in deb package say the are stripped, yet the dbg files is 1,2kB is this normal?
[10:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: not it's not normal
[10:07] <Quintasan> I wonder where the files went then
[10:07] <yofel> maybe disable the stripping and see if they're still stripped?
[10:07] <Riddell> presmably dh_strip is being run without putting the debug symbols in the right place
[10:07] <Riddell> thanks a good idea yofel
[10:08] <Quintasan> well, I'll try that
[10:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: I have copied the rule from kubuntu package: override_dh_strip: dh_strip --dbg-package=project-neon-qt-dbg
[10:11] <Riddell> seems reasonable
[10:12] <Riddell> maybe the debug symbols aren't being compiled in the first place
[10:14] <Riddell> in which case try disabling the dh_strip line there as yofel suggested
[10:17] <Quintasan> removed, testbuilding now
[10:18] <Riddell> long cup of coffee time?
[10:25] <debfx> how can I switch between plasma netbook and desktop?
[10:25] <Riddell> debfx: system settings -> Workspace
[10:25] <Riddell> I've not tested it this cycle
[10:28] <debfx> seems to work, but it doesn't add decorations to existing windows
[10:29] <debfx> I upgraded a vm from lucid to maverick and it changed from desktop to netbook without asking
[10:33] <Riddell> debfx: that'll be the new screen height < 700 test since we merged our desktop and netbook ISOs
[10:33] <Riddell> in bzr it also test with laptop detect and for absense of CD
[10:43] <Riddell> hmm, I can't add any accounts in choqok
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer, neversfelde: is that just me?
[10:46] <debfx> imho we shouldn't automatically switch to netbook when upgrading
[10:48] <Riddell> I agree although I can't think of a way to stop it from happening
[10:49] <Riddell> rickspencer3: ping
[11:06] <steveire> Quassel really needs to be un-fscked.
[11:06] <steveire> On 9.04 and (I think 9.10) it noticed when I clicked on it and did not flash an envelope at me unitl I click the envelope
[11:06] <steveire> Is that a kubuntu added notification thing or should I look into quassel code?
[11:08] <Riddell> that's quassel's own notification thing
[11:08] <Riddell> you can turn on support for our message indicator for a nicer one :)
[11:08] <Riddell> or just hassle Sput :)
[11:09]  * Sput didn't get the problem
[11:12] <Riddell> steveire: what's the problem?  that it's too "noisy" or that it doesn't work?
[11:14] <steveire> The problem is that the noise doesn't stop until I click the envelope.
[11:14] <steveire> So if I have konsole focussed and I get pinged, I alt-tab to quassel and read the ping, but the envelope still flashes at me.
[11:14] <steveire> The only way to stop it flashing is to click it, and then it changes my context in quassel to some other screen which I don't seem to be able to access any other way.
[11:14] <steveire> So I have to then click back to the channel I was on before
[11:19] <Sput> ah, that has been fixed (though I though we fixed that back in 0.6 already?)
[11:20] <Sput> *thought
[11:20] <Sput> maybe it was post-0.6
[11:20] <Sput> you can also disable the animation
[11:20] <steveire> Version: v0.6.1 (dist-611ebcc)
[11:21] <Riddell> I can't recreate that problem in maverick (0.6.1)
[11:22] <steveire> The animation is only part of the problem. Can the fix be backported to 10.04?
[11:23] <Riddell> steveire: have you tried the message indicator plasmoid?  Settings -> Configure Notifications -> Show messages in application indicator
[11:24] <Riddell> then turn off the systray icon in Setting -> Configure Quassel -> Show System Tray
[11:24] <Riddell> ScottK or anyone who cares, lucid.1 hoped for next week, anything we need to get through SRU?
[11:25] <Riddell> I don't see anything relevant at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=verification-failed
[11:25] <Riddell> hard to search through https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru
[11:26] <steveire> I don't see that option in systemsettings/notifications. Maybe it's only in maverick?
[11:27] <Riddell> steveire: not system settings, from within quassel
[11:27]  * Riddell wonders why bug 578215 is only fix committed
[11:29] <steveire> OK, can you ping me and we'll see what happens?
[11:30] <Riddell> steveire: worked?
[11:31] <Riddell> steveire: ping
[11:31] <steveire> Yes, that works.
[11:31] <steveire> Thanks.
[11:32] <Riddell> steveire: by animation you mean the little star which appears?
[11:32] <steveire> That should probably be the default. Can we fix that in the package? By animation I mean the systray icon gets a flashing envelope
[11:33] <Riddell> steveire: the message indicator should be default?
[11:33] <Riddell> didn't you just turn off the quassel systray icon and its flashing envelope?
[11:34]  * steveire doesn't know.
[11:34] <steveire> The problem could be my 'upgrade' path. I was using 9.04, and I just formatted and installed 10.04 on my root partition
[11:35] <Riddell> now I'm confused about which indicator you're using :)
[11:35] <steveire> Oh. I still have 'Show system tray icon' checked.
[11:36] <steveire> Wierd.
[11:38] <Riddell> so you have both?
[11:53] <jussi> so the facebook plugin for gwenview... does anyone actually use that?
[11:54] <jussi> usability is very annoying
[11:57] <Riddell> never heard of it
[11:57] <Riddell> jussi: what does it do?
[11:57] <jussi> Riddell: uploads photos for facebook
[11:57] <jussi> from gwenview
[11:57] <Riddell> kipi-plugin presumably
[11:57] <jussi> its part of kipi
[11:57] <jussi> hehe
[11:57] <agateau> jussi: I used to use it
[11:59] <jussi> agateau: do you not think its annoying to use? I mean, it would be much better if you could select the photos from within gwenview, not from tiny previews in the file chooser. and when you are done, there is only a cancel or upload photos button - what do you do? cancel? does that mean your photos dont get uploaded?
[12:00] <agateau> jussi: you can select the images from within Gwenview
[12:00] <agateau> jussi: but it's true it lacks a handy universal "upload" button
[12:00] <jussi> agateau: you can? didnt seem that way to me - perhaps I missed it?
[12:03] <jussi> oh and btw, for all those who are interested, here is some pics of the house Sari and I just bought! http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=186443&id=695927806&l=b70aac357c
[12:04] <agateau> jussi: just select the images before opening the plugin
[12:05] <jussi> agateau: ahh, yeah, I guess that makes sense
[12:10] <MIH1406> Can I ask about translations?
[12:11] <MIH1406> I have installed Kubuntu with Arabic translations
[12:31] <ScottK> Riddell: I really want bug 578215 for 10.04.1.  I think it's important.
[12:32] <ScottK> MIH1406: You can ask.
[12:33] <MIH1406> ScottK: thank you I asked in KDE
[12:33] <ScottK> MIH1406: OK.  That is probably a better place.
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong
[13:11] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1152146 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Less QString construction
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think it would be wise to give sort-of datatypes coming from the syncdaemon a proper class (with all the prototyping) ... for example one might want to query for shares, which from dbus returns a QList<QHash<QString, QString> >
[13:14] <apachelogger> now, if one of the qstrings in the hash changes that change is directly exposed to any user of the syncdaemon library requiring changes in every part querying for that sort of stuff
[13:14] <Riddell> it would seem important to have some way of knowing what the syncdaemon is returning
[13:14] <apachelogger> OTOH prototyping a simple "data container" is one giant PITA
[13:14] <Riddell> surely there's some way of knowing already?
[13:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the first QString of the Hash is a sensible key
[13:15] <apachelogger> like "access_level"
[13:16] <apachelogger> but if the library exposes the hashlist itself there are no maens to provide compat in case that name changes
[13:16] <Riddell> do we know if that's likely to happen?
[13:16] <Riddell> ah, rickspencer3, ping
[13:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: what happens on the gtk side?  because that probably is the "interface" needing to be followed
[13:18] <apachelogger> I really do not think that the GTK side is anything that should be followed
[13:18] <Riddell> :)
[13:18] <apachelogger> anyhow, they just take the dict (in python) and get values manually
[13:20] <apachelogger> but for example for status updates from the syncdaemon I prototyped a class because there are quite some values that need to be brought into an enum
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemonStatus.cpp
[13:22] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemonStatus.cpp#L171
[13:22] <apachelogger> what is most interessting
[13:22] <Riddell> and it would be "one giant PITA" to make that generic enough for shares and everything else which needs it?
[13:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: with C++ I really should be prototyping appropriate setter and getter functions to get any advantage from it
[13:23] <apachelogger> unless you know something that helps with that
[13:23] <Riddell> I don't
[13:23] <apachelogger> in ruby you can do attr_accessor :foobar and ruby will create you appropriate setter and getter functions for foobar
[13:23] <apachelogger> which would be just perfect here
[13:25] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently eclipse supports that kind of stuff ^^
[13:26] <Riddell> well it seems sensible to have some reliable way to know what you're handling
[13:26] <Riddell> eclipse?  the java IDE?
[13:26] <apachelogger> eclipse is not just java
[13:26] <apachelogger> it like a bloated plugin monster
[13:26]  * apachelogger would find something macro-based or moc based better though
[13:27] <Riddell> could you use Qt properties?
[13:27] <apachelogger> they do not create the functions unforutnately
[13:28] <apachelogger> hm, maybe boost got something
[13:34] <apachelogger> brrr
[13:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll manually write the functions
[13:34] <Riddell> might be faster to rewrite this in ruby :)
[13:35] <apachelogger> well, it is just copy'n'paste anyway ;)
[13:36] <apachelogger> but it is nice in ruby, because you can switch from auto-prototyping to manual just be replacing attr_accessor :foobar with proper getter/setter
[13:36] <apachelogger> or either of those and make an attr_reader or attr_writer :)
[13:38] <apachelogger> hm
[13:38] <apachelogger> maybe I just need readers for now anyway
[13:40] <steveire> It seems the plasma notifier doesn't work for quassel or needs to be configured. I get no notification when I am pinged.
[13:41] <Riddell> steveire: the envelope doesn't turn to an envelope with star?
[13:48]  * apachelogger wonders about the sync daemon's odd function naming
[13:51] <steveire> Sorry, network troubles here in the Berlin office. It really sucks
[13:54] <Riddell> 13:41 < Riddell> steveire: the envelope doesn't turn to an envelope with star?
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: happy birthday! (sez skype)
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so I am having doubts if we can use KStatusNotifierItem in k-n-h in KSNI's current state
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it expects to be given a qwidget it can activate when you click, and won't emit a generic clicked() signal if it does not have such a qwidget
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> this is unsuitable for cases when we, for example, call the shutdown dialog over dbus
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> it won't do the dbus call, and we get the context menu on click
[14:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: agateau might be a better person to ask about KSNI
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we did discuss it and chase the behavior in gdb, right before the last Kubuntu council meeting
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> we didn't find a way to resolve the issue in that time (though he had to go before we had completed what we were doing)
[14:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you want it to restart on click on the ksni?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no, just bring up the dialog
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> run(), basically
[14:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: activateRequested?
[14:16] <apachelogger> signal from KSNI
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> right
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> brings up the context menu unless a qwidget is associated with it
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> which one cannot be when we call the restart dialog over qdbus
[14:16] <apachelogger> ohh
[14:16] <apachelogger> just set a fake widget
[14:18] <apachelogger> OTOH
[14:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how does it behave if you explicitly try to set it to 0?
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> if the QWidget is null, it opens the context menu on clickity
[14:19] <apachelogger> are you sure
[14:19] <apachelogger> because
[14:19] <apachelogger> activate()
[14:19] <apachelogger> does
[14:19] <apachelogger>     if (d->associatedWidget == d->menu) {
[14:19] <apachelogger>         d->statusNotifierItemDBus->ContextMenu(pos.x(), pos.y());
[14:19] <apachelogger>         return;
[14:19] <apachelogger>     }
[14:19] <apachelogger> which is not equal to associatedWidget == 0
[14:20] <apachelogger> and following up it does
[14:20] <apachelogger>     if (!d->associatedWidget) {
[14:20] <apachelogger>         emit activateRequested(true, pos);
[14:20] <apachelogger>         return;
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> yes, doing a m_notifierItem->setAssociatedWidget(0); and clicking opens the context menu
[14:20] <apachelogger>     }
[14:20] <apachelogger> how is that the possible?
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> that is what agateau and I were chasing through gdb
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: setting a dummy qwidget results in a toplevel window belonging to kded to appear
[14:22] <apachelogger> hide()?
[14:22] <apachelogger> hoooray
[14:22] <apachelogger> u1-kde is broken \o/
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: does not help. It is probably doing show() on the widget
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> m_notifierItem->setAssociatedWidget(0); and clicking results in the context menu being shown, and the activateRequested signal never firing
[14:26] <apachelogger> maybe the plasma thingy is at fault
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah, probably. We can't use it until it is fixed at any rate
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should push the KSNI port to a bzr branch and revert the changes from trunk until it is fixed
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> and of course file the necessary bugs with plasma, etc
[14:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That or get Riddell to poke at agateau until he fixes it this week.
[14:47] <ScottK> Since they're in the same place he can provide motivation very directly.
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> heh
[14:49]  * apachelogger thinks that motivation does not really mean motivation in that sentence Oo
[14:50] <apachelogger> crash!
[14:51] <apachelogger> good thing I can still backtrace in lucid :P
[14:51] <apachelogger> is that actually working again in maverick?
[14:53]  * apachelogger waves his fist at dbus and its type system
[14:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: It should be working again.  If not, file a bug and ping kees.
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> yay for empty new queue
[14:57] <agateau> ScottK: we even share a room!
[14:57] <ScottK> agateau: Ah, so keep Riddell happy or be careful sleeping.
[14:57] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I remember this debugging session
[14:58] <agateau> JontheEchidna: stupid question: can't you put everything in a menu?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> you mean, put a reboot button in the menu?
[14:59] <agateau> JontheEchidna: yes
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> that would be more clicks than is usually expected
[14:59] <Riddell> agateau is such a party animal he always goes to bed after me
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> if we could get away with not having to go that route, it'd be best
[15:00] <agateau> Riddell likes to try to wake me by putting his alarm at weird hours, but so far he failed, I was still coding when it beeped :)
[15:00] <agateau> JontheEchidna: it's not an action one perform very often so I don't think an additional click would be too painful
[15:00] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:00] <apachelogger> holy daft punk
[15:00] <apachelogger> now qtdbus wants to mess with me
[15:00]  * apachelogger shouldnt have waved his fist :[
[15:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: strange, without override_dh_strip the libs are still stripped
[15:01]  * ScottK imagines his threats would be working better if Riddell weren't a pacifist.
[15:03] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm a pacifist who occationally gets nuclear submarine bases shut down, I think I can control aurelien somewhat :)
[15:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: so maybe it's not building with debug at all?
[15:04] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:04] <agateau> Riddell: how did you shut down a nuclear submarine base?
[15:04]  * agateau feels like he is missing an important private joke
[15:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: grep the build log to check there's nothing else stripping it
[15:05]  * txwikinger also wants to have a nuclear submarine
[15:05] <Riddell> agateau: sat infront of the gate at shift change
[15:07] <agateau> Riddell: oh... what happened next?
[15:08] <txwikinger> Riddell: hwo comes they let you travel around in all those countries with this history?
[15:08] <Riddell> workers go home happy for a day off, protesters have a party, soviets fail to invade, uselessness of nuclear weapons proven and government disbands nuclear weapons system saving billions of pounds
[15:09] <Riddell> possibly the last one didn't work out
[15:09] <agateau> Riddell: nice!
[15:10] <Riddell> txwikinger: I've always managed to avoid arrest, but breach of the peace is hardly an offence to stop you getting travel visas
[15:10] <txwikinger> Depends on the country Riddell
[15:10] <txwikinger> and if they have a G8/G20 in the country at the time :D
[15:11] <Riddell> G8 was in a Scotland a few years ago, nice non violent demonstration, no problems at all
[15:11] <txwikinger> rofl
[15:11]  * txwikinger saw the action on TV
[15:12] <fabo> Riddell: I merged Qt changes. I take a look to Qt Mobility.
[15:12] <txwikinger> there was more action than in Toronto a couple of weeks ago
[15:12] <Riddell> fabo: great
[15:13] <Riddell> txwikinger: did the anarchist invade?
[15:14] <txwikinger> Riddell: One day the police let them burn a couple of police cars and the next the police arrested everybody with 2 blocks of the fence indiscriminately
[15:15] <txwikinger> Nobody talks about the anarchists, just about the erratic behaviour of the police
[15:15] <Riddell> the anarchist during the G8 in Scotland ran KDE, nice bunch, no car burning
[15:19] <txwikinger> Before the G8/G20 here, the police visited all the known anarchists and warned hem
[15:19] <txwikinger> them
[15:19] <txwikinger> And I can imagine border patrol did not let a lot of them through the border coming in
[15:23] <ScottK> Riddell: I just fixed the milestones for Bug #578215. Would you please talk to pitti about getting it copied over and included in 10.04.1?
[15:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: it is being stripped by dh_strip, though my rules do not contain dh
[15:30] <Quintasan> dh_strip
[15:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:34] <debfx> Quintasan: you need to add an empty override target if you don't want it to be run
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you add your accounts now? or it still a problem?
[15:35] <fabo> Riddell: hal b-d ?
[15:36]  * shadeslayer lol's reading subject of mail
[15:36] <shadeslayer>  List of absent students those who are absent << hahaha
[15:53] <Quintasan> debfx: hmm thanks, I'll need to learn some more complicated dh magic
[15:54] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: where are your rules file?
[16:01] <jussi> does anyone here actually install kde-full? I did it the other day, its amazing to see some of the applications that never make it to the cd, but are very cool in themselves (including some I never knew existed)
[16:02] <al> ii  kde-full             5:55ubuntu1          the K Desktop Environment official modules
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I can't add accounts using choqok from the archive
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the issue? authentication?
[16:04] <Riddell> fabo: I don't think qtmobility needs a hal build-dep, it's a runtime dep looking at the code (although the docs suggest it might be a build-dep, it almost certainly isn't)
[16:04] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/ (15 files in 3 dirs) this change is so epic it gave me a headache ... share++ syncdaemonshares++ improve all sorts of stuff and magic and whatnot... actually I lost track megachanges--
[16:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bah, restarted and now it works
[16:05] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:05] <Riddell> in Accounts in the config dialogue the Add button had an empty menu
[16:05] <Riddell> now it lists Twitter and StatusNet
[16:05] <shadeslayer> yeah that happens sometimes here too
[16:06] <shadeslayer> quite randomn
[16:06] <Riddell> seems like a nasty issue
[16:06] <shadeslayer> hehe.. i cant reproduce it with svn choqok tho
[16:06] <shadeslayer> so it might have been fixed
[16:06] <Riddell> ok, maybe it's sorted
[16:06] <shadeslayer> thanks for oauth upload ;)
[16:07] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/ (SyncDaemonConfig.cpp SyncDaemonConfig.h) duplication--
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: another nast issue is that when you copy stuff from kate -> close kate -> try to paste , you have a empty clipboard
[16:07] <shadeslayer> *nasty
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe kservice related?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ( im not using klipper btw )
[16:08] <apachelogger> supposedly twitter & status.net are plugins
[16:09] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/SyncDaemonConfig.cpp debug--
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea how to fix a lintian lzma-deb-archive error?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> google seems to return foobar...
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ignore it
[16:11] <Riddell> ubuntu archive handles lzma fine
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: debian will kill me over one lintian error :P
[16:12] <shadeslayer> itll eventually come to ubuntu :D
[16:12] <Riddell> I thought Debian handled lzma fine too, in which case it's just lintian being out of date
[16:12] <shadeslayer> uh.. im on maverick.. how can it be out of date ^_^
[16:12] <shadeslayer> and i only changed one thing,renamed source package
[16:13] <shadeslayer> it was fine earlier
[16:13] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/SyncDaemonStatus.cpp debug--
[16:15] <shadeslayer> brrr... now system settings refuses to update my login image :S
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh... lintian doesnt complain when running debuild -S -sa , but i get that error when i run just debuild
[16:20]  * apachelogger makes a smiley face
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debuild -S only makes a source package, lintian won't be run when doing that and there's no binary package to have lzma compression
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: I just found a perfect use case for the KCM ... manage what folders to sync ;)
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ohhkk .. but can that lintian error be fixed in anyway?
[16:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not an error
[16:23] <Riddell> it's lintian being out of date
[16:23] <shadeslayer> i mean warning
[16:23] <Riddell> you can override it
[16:24] <shadeslayer> debian has 2.4.2 too as well :P
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so, I've ported k-n-h, kubuntu-debug-installer and kubuntu-firefox-installer to qapt-batch. A week from tomorrow I plan on releasing a new QApt beta, whereupon I shall freeze LibQApt's API and add a .symbols file to the packaging. Afterwords, I'll write up an MIR for LibQApt and, once approved, upload all three applications
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: and the best thing is that the gnome stuff does not provide that feature ;)
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> all 3 ports are in bzr
[16:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you make libqapt useful to kdi? :P
[16:26] <apachelogger> those dirty dpkg queries make me not want to look at the code
[16:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it doesnt? afaik all the stuff you put in ~/UbuntuOne is syncd and then you can sync extra folders from outside the default folder
[16:26] <apachelogger> which is counter productive to improvmenet ^^
[16:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: gnome doesn't let you sync other folders? or has no UI for it?
[16:27] <apachelogger> it does not have a central UI to manage it
[16:27] <apachelogger> you can only do it via the file manager
[16:27] <shadeslayer> yeah thats true
[16:27] <apachelogger> which I imagine is a PITA if you have > 3 folders
[16:27] <shadeslayer> right click > Sync folder to Ubuntu One
[16:27] <apachelogger> and totally cheap to implement from what I see
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, libqapt could unfuglify some things
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it would increase RAM overhead, though since gdb dwarfs that I don't think it'll be of too much concern
[16:28] <claydoh> apachelogger: omg you rock (as usual) - I just noticed the fancy ubuntuone-kde satus icon telling me what is syncing
[16:29] <apachelogger> ack
[16:29] <apachelogger> looks a bit silly right now though :)
[16:29]  * claydoh likes it
[16:29] <fabo> Riddell: that's exactly what I'm thinking but you have added hal b-d in your debdiff
[16:29] <apachelogger> with long paths the default tooltip size causes ugly breaks
[16:30] <fabo> Riddell: Qt Mobility changes merged except the hal b-d ;)
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: might be a good excuse to write a "find package by file name" function in libqapt ;)
[16:30] <apachelogger> more interesting is how I shall get the share wizard build with 4.4 considering the contacts model/view was only introduced in 4.5
[16:30] <claydoh> apachelogger: haven't noticed that yet
[16:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: righto and get better algorithms so you do not eat my ramz :P
[16:31] <claydoh> tooltips thatt is
[16:31] <apachelogger> tooltips are awesome
[16:31] <Riddell> fabo: hmm, so I did, silly me
[16:31] <apachelogger> they are non-invasive so also ScottK can use them
[16:31] <apachelogger> and yet if you desire information you can get it
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that all APT implementations have to MMap pkgcache.bin means that they absolutely have to consume 14 MiB
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> no way of getting around that with APT I'm afraid
[16:33] <apachelogger> how about introducing a central package information storage for KDE using postgresql and then have agents sync resources of your service with the pkgcache?
[16:34] <apachelogger> fancy
[16:34] <apachelogger> so I have ~/folder/nestedfolder
[16:34] <apachelogger> and I marked the nestedfolder to sync with u1
[16:34] <apachelogger> what u1 does is mark the path itself
[16:35] <apachelogger> which is probably a good idea
[16:35] <apachelogger> BUT
[16:35] <claydoh> one more dtabase to bog down my ancient hardware :(
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> this is probably the best case scenario for RAMz consumption: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoput9870
[16:35] <apachelogger> now my ubuntu machine I get a contextmenu for the folder (my ubuntu machine will mimic ~/folder/nestedfolder ... obviously folder will not contain anything else)
[16:35] <apachelogger> in that contextmenu I can mark folder as to be synced
[16:36] <apachelogger> and here I find it confusing that it is indeed duplicating the folder structure
[16:36] <apachelogger> all the more so if you have folder existing on two machines and mark nestedfolder to sync on one and then mark folder to sync from the other...
[16:37] <apachelogger> claydoh: exactly :D
[16:37] <apachelogger> the more databases the better!
[16:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you also have a 13mib heap right there
[16:37] <claydoh> :(
[16:38] <apachelogger> is that pkgcache in your heap? :
[16:38] <apachelogger> P
[16:38] <claydoh> i will have to resort to a life of crime to be able to keep up
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would assume that they are separate. k-d-i's heap usage will likely be smaller due to less GUI
[16:39] <apachelogger> but that is a lot of heap for the gui IMHO
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> I could run massif on it
[16:40] <apachelogger> massif-visualizer is awesome :)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> a bit slow, but yeah :)
[16:40]  * apachelogger open gnome-terminal and is all shocked by its color
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> oo, never re-installed it after my kubuntu reinstall the other week
[16:41] <apachelogger> nautilus does not want to let me sync ~/folder on the ubuntu machine
[16:41]  * JontheEchidna builds
[16:41] <apachelogger> !!!
[16:41] <apachelogger> meh.
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> /home/jonathan/src/massif-visualizer/massif-visualizer/kdchart/src/KDChartAbstractProxyModel.cpp:77: warning: dereferencing pointer ‘hack’ does break strict-aliasing rules
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> ^lol
[16:42] <apachelogger> hack++
[16:42] <apachelogger> aha!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:42] <apachelogger> FolderCreateError: UDFs can not be nested (path=/home/me/folder)
[16:42] <apachelogger> there you have it
[16:43] <apachelogger> they do no even support the twisted logic but allow the user to invoke the command in the UI and then fail without feedback
[16:44] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was thinking about adding a dialog like amarok has for its collection folder selection
[16:45] <apachelogger> that way users can easily mark folders for sync
[16:45] <apachelogger> also it makes not having proper dolphin integration half as bad I suppose
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I agree
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> !find boost/throw_exception.hpp
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> hmm, guess I hadn't installed boost yet either
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: kongrats!!  :D
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ( re /topic ;) )
[16:54] <Riddell> Nightrose hasn't been online all day, maybe she's away enjoying her birthday
[16:55] <Sput> or working.
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you messed up my ktorrent :S
[16:56]  * shadeslayer shoots Quintasan with Qt
[16:57] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer@kubuntu:~$ ktorrent
[16:57] <shadeslayer> The program 'ktorrent' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[16:57] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[16:57] <shadeslayer> and then theres more !
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.ca/1904545
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: what does muon say if you try to install it. (Wanting to make sure it is nearly the same)
[16:59]  * shadeslayer hides
[16:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: clean install.. yet to install muon :P
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[17:00] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/ (5 files) get started on a foldermodel and a selectionwidget ... treeview pending
[17:04] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/ (FolderTreeView.cpp FolderTreeView.h CMakeLists.txt) on second thought a stock treeview should do? oh well, cant hurt...
[17:06] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ktorrent-data (= ${source:Version}), << does that look right?
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> yes
[17:07] <shadeslayer> well.. that last = breaks ktorrent for me ^_^
[17:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: muon complains :S
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> amd64?
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: good
[17:07] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> ok, so what's happened is that ktorrent-data is arch-all and hasn't been published on i386 yet
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> since arch-all packages are only built on i386
[17:08] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> should autoresolve eventually, Quintasan is in no way at fault
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hehe... sorry Quintasan :P
[17:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: but 32 bit seems to be build
[17:08] <shadeslayer> *built
[17:08] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/4.0.2-1ubuntu1/+build/1879716
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> build != published to your mirror
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> *built
[17:09] <shadeslayer> using main mirror
[17:10] <yofel> even LP needs a while to publish things to a.u.c
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main ktorrent-data 4.0.2-1ubuntu1 [733kB]
[17:12] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/ (5 files) fix build + add to kcm (in most ugly manner, that thingy will get a tab for sure ;))
[17:13] <shadeslayer> still dont have it :/
[17:13]  * Quintasan hits shadeslayer with banhammer
[17:13] <shadeslayer> main archive hates me :P
[17:13]  * shadeslayer runs
[17:14]  * Quintasan gets his rusty musket and loads a silver bullet
[17:14]  * Quintasan shoots shadeslayer
[17:14] <shadeslayer> you miss :P
[17:15]  * yofel taps Quintasan on the shoulder and notes that he forgot the black powder..
[17:15]  * shadeslayer grabs kevlar...
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sudo make uninstall musket :p
[17:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh quick question
[17:16] <shadeslayer> debian-changes-0.9.55a-0ubuntu2 << is that a change you introduced?
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> for what?
[17:17] <shadeslayer> seems so.. http://pastebin.ca/1904563
[17:17] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1152284 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp There is no reason to cache the default candidate version. Calculating it when needed is perfectly doable. Saves around 1.3 MiB heap.
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^
[17:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: choqok
[17:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: siver bullets shoot through kevlar
[17:17] <Quintasan> you bloody demon!
[17:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: :*
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i uninstalled musket :P
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> <3 massif
[17:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: shadeslayer is no in sudoers file
[17:17] <Quintasan> not*
[17:17] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:18]  * shadeslayer dies
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that would be pkg-kde-tools's old l10n stuff mucking things up there
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> uh
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> now see
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> that is really annoying
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> one does not quit while trying to get info about a package change from a person
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> :/
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> *sigh*
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> [12:18:16] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that would be pkg-kde-tools's old l10n stuff mucking things up there
[17:19] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> feel free to destroy it
[17:19] <shadeslayer> goodie
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> pkg-kde-tools shouldn't fiddle with that anymore since apachelogger fixed it
[17:21] <shadeslayer> btw suppose theres a spelling error in changelog,should i fix that?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you sponsor choqok, if your free?
[17:25]  * apachelogger is doing work
[17:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna is leet dev too ^^
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ok kool
[17:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^^
[17:27]  * shadeslayer didnt know :P
[17:27] <shadeslayer> just running through pbuilder
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you can now use OAuth authentication with new version of choqok ^_^
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ( if JtE sponsors upload )
[17:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that better than normal authentication?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:28] <shadeslayer> much much better
[17:28] <shadeslayer> also everyone is going to switch to that in the next few months
[17:29]  * apachelogger copies stuff from amarok \\o/
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[17:29] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[17:29] <shadeslayer> omg...
[17:29] <apachelogger> now
[17:29] <apachelogger> what is wrong with HTTP authentication?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> ill break choqok build if JTE uploads it :S
[17:30] <shadeslayer> since .. libqoauth-dev is not in main :/
[17:30] <apachelogger> everyone must use oauth for some obscure reason
[17:30]  * shadeslayer goes to file MIR
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its your archive day right?
[17:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, any requests?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> yeah... qoauth :P
[17:32] <shadeslayer> i need it to merge choqok :P
[17:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug number?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> im yet to file one.. doing right now
[17:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: \o
[17:35] <sheytan_> shadeslayer hi :)
[17:37] <sheytan_> shadeslayer wanna see the new version of kubuntu home pge? :D
[17:38] <debfx> Riddell: the qtwebkit-source packages are in the archive so you can remove qtwebkit
[17:38] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: please :D
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 607864
[17:38] <sheytan_> shadeslayer theres only one problem. The image i used here i don't know if i have premissions. Already asked the autor ;)
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[17:39] <shadeslayer> as long as its under GPL :P
[17:39] <shadeslayer> or a similar license
[17:41] <shadeslayer> lol : http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/07/rumor_apple_to_charge_for_ios_4_upgrade_for_ipad.html
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hmm.. seems to be down :/
[17:43] <sheytan_> shadeslayer the old one to compare: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1397/basea.jpg
[17:43] <sheytan_> and new one http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2390/basetest.jpg
[17:43] <claydoh> should we really be running strigi on the livecd session?  I know i have old crap hardware, it seems to be a bit much to run off of a cd-r
[17:44] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: uh.. is that image upside down? ^_^
[17:45] <shadeslayer> shouldnt the hand be at the bottom holding the world? :P
[17:45] <sheytan_> shadeslayer no, i cant find other one so far ;d
[17:45]  * shadeslayer feels this image says : Kubuntu World domination :D
[17:45] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: make one ? :P
[17:45] <jjesse> those images are cool
[17:46] <sheytan_> shadeslayer it's hard :D But when i will not find a cool one, or they will be with evil licenses, then i'll make one :D
[17:46] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:46] <sheytan_> shadeslayer anyway, which one/
[17:46] <sheytan_> ?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> oh sorry
[17:52] <shadeslayer> was afk for a bit :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: the second one definitely
[17:53] <sheytan_> shadeslayer :D
[17:53] <sheytan_> yeah :D
[17:53] <shadeslayer> only.. the image needs re doing ;P
[17:53] <sheytan_> now waiting for ofir ;)
[17:53] <sheytan_> i had nice one, but it had some transparent text that was hard to cut :(
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw kdevelop 4.1 was announced on kde-packager,but is yet to be put on ftp.kde
[18:00] <shadeslayer>   libqt4-webkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-webkit (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed. << should that resolve by itself too?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> i get that in pbuilder
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: where is choqok?
[18:03] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm... "Make libqtwebkit-dev provide/replace/conflict libqt4-webkit-dev"
[18:03] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh what? :P
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: you did want me to sponsor it, yes?
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> even leet devs need a lunch break ;)
[18:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: right,but im trying it out in pbuilder
[18:04] <shadeslayer> but thats when i got libqt4-webkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-webkit (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed.
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: usually one does not ask for a sponsor, unless there is something to sponsor
[18:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i know,but i didnt expect it to fail
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: change that to libqtwebkit-dev
[18:05] <shadeslayer> i have a debdiff ready..
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:05] <shadeslayer> no such thing in build dep
[18:06] <shadeslayer> which means something else pulls it in
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs5-dev
[18:07] <shadeslayer> i think  its pkg-kde-tools :P
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> no: Depends: perl, libdpkg-perl (>= 1.15.6~), python
[18:08] <shadeslayer> perl?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ah yess
[18:10] <shadeslayer> now how to fix that ....
[18:11] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also qouath will have to be moved to main , already asked Riddell to do that
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: around? got some info for you
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage
[18:27] <shadeslayer> try that dh magic.. or do you want me to do it? :P
[18:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: we already tried all of that
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ohh ok
[18:28] <shadeslayer> whats the problem?
[18:28] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1152312 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add packageForFile() for looking up a package given an installed file.
[18:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: the -dbg package is has a size of 1.2kB
[18:29] <yofel> -is
[18:29] <shadeslayer> hahah :P
[18:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: wheres the rules file?
[18:30] <yofel> you'll have to ask Quintasan that
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: why do we need line 33 of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/qt-ubuntu/annotate/head:/rules
[18:39] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: also.. you did not add .PHONY: override_dh_strip
[18:41] <shadeslayer> override_dh_strip:
[18:41] <shadeslayer>         dh_strip --dbg-package=giblib1-dbg
[18:41] <yofel> er, launchpad shows the branch as last updated 5 days ago, I doubt that's the rules file he's currently using
[18:42] <shadeslayer> well.. s/giblib1-dgb/project-neon-qt-dbg
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you show us your new rules file?
[18:52]  * shadeslayer rolls over and dies
[18:53] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental << choqok in that ppa,still building
[18:53] <yofel> what happend now? ^^
[18:53] <shadeslayer> also you need QOauth in main before you upload
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: pbuilder == st00pid
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ppa++
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/NYF0ifnW
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: increases heap size by 4.5 MiB, plus the 14 MiB for pkgcache.bin mmaping
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> but, there are no more dpkg calls whatsoever
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> in fact, no more QFile::exists() calls either
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> shall I commit?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> if i use SIGNAL and SLOT in Qt which header file am i supposed to use?
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> none, if you are already including any Qt header, just about
[19:13] <shadeslayer> hmm.. then i got something wrong ... :/
[19:14] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1904645 << make complains and my code http://pastebin.ca/1904648
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ok fixed one error i could see... the argv should be argv[]
[19:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: that should be 'SIGNAL(valueChanged(int))' I think
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> probably because you aren't parenting any of your widgets
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> new QSpinBox; would only work if you were inside a class
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: which line?
[19:18] <yofel> brackets are wrong
[19:18] <yofel> 15 and 17
[19:18] <shadeslayer> right
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> should be int main(int argc, char **argv)
[19:19] <yofel> like that you're passing it 3 arguments, not one (as make says)
[19:19] <yofel> JontheEchidna: what's the kubuntu convention for that? **argv?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> that's what kapptemplate generates, so I guess
[19:20] <yofel> ok (just wondering as *argv[] would work too)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1904653 << now
[19:20] <shadeslayer> code : http://pastebin.ca/1904654
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't that create a pointer to an empty argv?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> well.. i sorta changed the kode noq
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> ah, nevermind, of course it would :P
[19:21] <shadeslayer> make errors http://pastebin.ca/1904656
[19:21] <shadeslayer> brrr
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> QHboxLayout is a typo
[19:22] <shadeslayer> what should it be?
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> QHBoxLayout
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ohh
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[19:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: and one bracket too much in line 18
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixed that a sec ago
[19:23] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1904659
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> another typo
[19:23] <shadeslayer> where? :D
[19:23]  * shadeslayer is new.. as you can tell
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> ../src/tmp.cpp:20
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ahh
[19:24] <shadeslayer> QHBoxLayout again
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> right
[19:24] <shadeslayer> whee
[19:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yofel http://imgur.com/iP5Br
[19:25] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:25] <yofel> oh, that tutorial app :D
[19:25] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[19:25] <shadeslayer> i have the qt+C++ book thingy
[19:26] <shadeslayer> i typed the whole thing by myself to see what mistakes i do :P
[19:26] <yofel> I do that too usually
[19:26] <shadeslayer> im reading 5 pages daily... this is a 900 page book :S
[19:27] <shadeslayer> thats 3 months :P
[19:27]  * shadeslayer skips description.. i know what it does
[19:28] <shadeslayer> now.. lets see if i can make it horizontal
[19:28] <shadeslayer> w00t
[19:29] <shadeslayer> s/horizontal/vertical
[19:58] <shadeslayer> off for a while...cya
[20:57] <apachelogger> re
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if it works
[20:58] <apachelogger> though I dislike the comments on the includes :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> they are pretty obvious :P
[21:04] <Quintasan> whew
[21:04] <Quintasan> my legs
[21:05]  * Quintasan was skateboarding for 10 hours
[21:06] <Quintasan> debfx: I have override_dh_strip: <nothing here> and it is still stripped @_@
[21:06] <yofel> Quintasan: the log shows dh_strip running? o.O
[21:07] <Quintasan> grepping
[21:07] <Quintasan> but as I see it then it probably is
[21:07] <Quintasan>    # Skipping dh_strip - empty override
[21:07] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:08] <Quintasan> but before that
[21:08] <Quintasan> I get lines like
[21:08] <Quintasan> strip "/tmp/buildd/project-neon-qt-1.0+1200~ppa1/debian/tmp//opt/project-neon/bin/qtconfig"
[21:08] <Quintasan> wth
[21:08] <yofel> o.O
[21:08] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/WSbB46Ci
[21:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[21:08] <yofel> when he gets back..
[21:08] <Quintasan> output of cat last_operation.log | grep strip
[21:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^^^
[21:09] <Quintasan> What on earth might be stripping it?
[21:10]  * apachelogger yawns like a lion
[21:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: get to work
[21:10] <Quintasan> :P
[21:11] <apachelogger>  6 files changed, 171 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
[21:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Id like to see you do that :P
[21:11] <Quintasan> I'm doing PN now
[21:11] <Quintasan> :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> lots of progress :P
[21:14]  * apachelogger is way too tired
[21:15] <apachelogger> and there is a bug
[21:15] <apachelogger> well, technically not a bug, because the bug is elsewhere and it causes a flux which looks like a bug
[21:15] <Quintasan> in what?
[21:19] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-statusnotifier
[21:19] <apachelogger> well, again, technically in python-twisted
[21:21] <Quintasan> >python
[21:21] <Quintasan> :/
[21:22] <Quintasan> hmm, after configuring
[21:22] <Quintasan> the log shows no info about debugging libs
[21:23] <Quintasan> maybe -no-separate-debug-info is not working with kde-qt
[21:23] <Quintasan> I'll ask in kde-devel
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: around?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> brr... no JTE
[21:27] <yofel> yes
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: intrested in a merge?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: yakuake needs merging from debian,if you want to have a look
[21:28] <yofel> sure, you'll have to help me a lot though
[21:28] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:28] <shadeslayer> not today.. im busy the whole week :(
[21:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you help out yofel?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: its quite simple actually,download debian package,download ubuntu package and see what ubuntu changes can be dropped
[21:29] <yofel> well, I know that much, fetching the sources already ;)
[21:29] <shadeslayer> and which need to be retained > apply ubuntu changes to debian package > document everything in changelog
[21:30] <shadeslayer> and then catch hold of ari-tczew for sponsoring ^_^
[21:30] <shadeslayer> meanwhile.. testers needed
[21:30] <shadeslayer> fixed bug 331192 in my ppa
[21:31] <shadeslayer> blurg
[21:31] <shadeslayer> wrong version uploaded :/
[21:31] <shadeslayer> also ftbfs
[21:33] <shadeslayer>   kdepimlibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.4.0) but it is not going to be installed << what fun
[21:33] <yofel> heh
[21:34] <Quintasan> strange
[21:34] <Quintasan> configure says Debug.... no
[21:34] <Quintasan> :/
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 0_o
[21:34] <Quintasan> wth
[21:34] <yofel> o.O
[21:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: wrong options parsed to configure?
[21:35] <Quintasan> configure would throw FTBFSes at me
[21:35]  * shadeslayer goes to check
[21:36] <debfx> Quintasan: where is the rules file?
[21:37] <Quintasan> debfx: well, on my computer :P
[21:37] <Quintasan> trying with debug now
[21:37] <debfx> ^^
[21:37] <Quintasan> it's clearly configure's fault
[21:37] <Quintasan> for not enabling debug
[21:37] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:37] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: me for sponsoring? o_O
[21:38]  * shadeslayer thought ari-tczew was in MOTU
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apparently not ^_^
[21:38] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: not yet, but who knows :)
[21:38] <apachelogger> hmmm
[21:38] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:38] <shadeslayer> then grab Quintasan :P
[21:38] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: how did the kadu merge go?
[21:38] <apachelogger> something tells me that making the kcm inherit from an ui was no good idea at all
[21:39] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: because patch was excellent.
[21:40] <Quintasan> well, ari-tczew, something prevented me from building it
[21:40] <Quintasan> I don't know why it wouldn't build
[21:40] <Quintasan> it applied just fine
[21:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/1881681 << is there anything i can do to fix that?
[21:40] <Quintasan> I was getting ftbfs on rules
[21:40] <apachelogger> yay
[21:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/6_y2GR6f.html my first model \o/
[21:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why gray out folders that are to be synced?
[21:41] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: I know, that you're not expierenced with merging packages.  I know we somehow strip translations, but I'm still not sure what to do with it.. patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466664/   OLD .desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466663/ NEW .desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466662/
[22:02] <ari-tczew> yofel: you have to update a patch kubuntu_01_clean_desktop_file.patch
[22:03] <yofel> yes, I know a bit about quilt, but I don't really understand how that patch applied in the first place
[22:05] <ari-tczew> yofel: I create a patches in the following way: create a dir (mkdir command e.g.) called "diff", go to diff directory and unpack *.orig* tarball there. change name outputed folder to yakuake-2.9.7.orig
[22:05] <Quintasan> yofel: check the buildlog, I think it just found the lines offset and applied the changes
[22:06] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: with quilt you do not need to do that
[22:06] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: hmm?
[22:06] <Quintasan> just quilt crate <patch name>
[22:06] <Quintasan> create*
[22:07] <Quintasan> quilt add <files to be modified>
[22:07] <Quintasan> modify the files
[22:07] <Quintasan> quilt refresh
[22:08] <ari-tczew> yhy, I'll check it with next occasion
[22:08] <yofel> what I don't understand is, the original reason for the patch was "Added debian/patches/kubuntu_01_clean_desktop_file.patch to add a GenericName entry to the .desktop file". But the desktop file here already has a GenericName
[22:08] <Quintasan> yofel: it is there before patching?
[22:09] <Quintasan> yofel: just to make sure, go to source dir
[22:09] <yofel> ... let me check
[22:09] <Quintasan> ln -s debian/patches patches
[22:09] <Quintasan> quilt pop -a
[22:10] <yofel> $ quilt pop -a
[22:10] <yofel> No patch removed
[22:10] <Quintasan> great
[22:10] <yofel> and if I push, I get this file
[22:10] <Quintasan> now check the desktop file
[22:11] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/466670/ (after quilt push -a)
[22:11] <yofel> 2 GenericNames
[22:12] <yofel> the patch applies, but I don't get the point of it
[22:13] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: why the hell did u make me try the ent sync when someone did that?
[22:13] <Quintasan> FFFFF
[22:13] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: where was info?
[22:13] <Quintasan> 1.1debian-1.1
[22:14] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ent
[22:14] <Quintasan> Uploaded 13 minutes ago
[22:16] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: why you didn't look at date? 22:42 I asked you for sync (nobody else), 22:53 bdrung took a sponsoring (sorry, my email box was closed, I didn't know)
[22:17] <Quintasan> well, I was about to upload that
[22:17] <yofel> so, should I import the patch (it applies fine) or drop it?
[22:18] <Quintasan> yofel: So, the desktop file BEFORE patching has this GenericName or not?
[22:19] <yofel> Quintasan: the desktop file BEFORE has "GenericName=Drop-down Terminal" the one AFTER patching, has "GenericName=Drop-down Terminal" AND "GenericName=Quake-style Terminal" (latter from the patch)
[22:20] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:20] <Quintasan> I think you can drop the patch
[22:20] <Quintasan> less changes from upstream the better
[22:21] <Quintasan> blame me if something goes horribly wrong
[22:21] <Quintasan> :P
[22:22] <yofel> ok, /usr/share/applications/kde4/yakuake.desktop has "GenericName=Drop-down Terminal" so I'll drop it, I don't get how that file is stripped anyway...
[22:25] <yofel> ok, last thing
[22:26] <yofel> the ubuntu changelog says "- Keep updated yakuake homepage" and has "Homepage: http://yakuake.kde.org/" while debian has "Homepage: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/" but yakuake.kde.org only has one large icon that directs you to e.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ - use the link from debian?
[22:26] <Quintasan> yofel: go on :P
[22:27] <Quintasan> yofel: yes, keep debians link since the new site is under construction, and the site from debian links to kde-apps
[22:28] <Quintasan> we generally want all Debian's changes unless there are some specific ones we can't drop
[22:28] <Quintasan> yofel: to keep the differencies between the packages to minimal
[22:29]  * Quintasan <3 Amarok 2 Remote on his Milestone
[22:29] <Quintasan> I had hoped to get Qt built before midnight
[22:30] <Quintasan> but it seems impossible :P
[22:34] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/ (10 files in 2 dirs) codemonkey++ ... folder++ used in syncdaemonfolders++ (obviously becoming an interface to the folder stuff), cleanup and enhance appropriately
[22:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why do you always do complete rebuilds?
[22:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: is it possbile not to do it with pbuilder? O_O
[22:35] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/FolderTreeView.cpp fix my treeview sizing!
[22:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could just build it outside pbuilder?
[22:36] <apachelogger> or make the build deliberately fail so you drop to a pbuilder shell and can continue messing with it manually
[22:36] <apachelogger> or just log into the pbuilder and start the build all together manually
[22:36] <apachelogger> then just rebuild with -nc
[22:36] <apachelogger> (and appropriate debhelper files removed ;))
[22:36] <Quintasan> well, too late for now but I will do so if stripiing wont work now
[22:36] <Quintasan> damn it
[22:37] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/ (FolderModel.cpp FolderModel.h) model, with loads of usless junk to just have something working to play with
[22:38] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/FolderSelectionWidget.cpp update the widget (a bit)
[22:52] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/ (FolderTreeView.cpp Module.cpp Module.ui) add to nice and cosy module (tab names pending) + make view more beautiful by hiding the header
[22:53] <yofel> Quintasan: ok, I should be finished, bulids fine locally and in pbuilder lucid (pbuilder mav barfs kdelibs -> qtwebkit dep)
[22:56] <Quintasan> yofel: wasn't qtwebkit uploaded?
[22:56] <yofel> I'll need to switch mirrors then
[23:01] <yofel> Quintasan: fails even with main: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466684/
[23:01] <Quintasan> yofel: well, do not treat me as some sort of never-wrong oracle, I think it was uploaded
[23:01] <Quintasan> :P
[23:01] <Quintasan> yofel: why =?
[23:01] <Quintasan> and not <=
[23:02] <yofel> no idea, it's thanks to libqtwebkit-dev replacing libqt4-webkit-dev
[23:03] <Quintasan> yofel: try chaning that = to <= maybe it will work
[23:03] <yofel> Quintasan: errr. you do realize that it says "libqt4-webkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-webkit (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1)" --- that's not within my powers to change
[23:04] <yofel> yakuake depends on kdelibs5-dev which wants webkit for some reason but can't get it
[23:05] <Quintasan> yofel: why you can't change that, it's in control isn't it?
[23:06] <Quintasan> =  4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 make it want ONLY 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1
[23:06] <yofel> sure, let me rebuild kde4libs and get back to you..
[23:06] <Quintasan> and the log says that 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2 is going to be installed
[23:09] <yofel> Quintasan: the problem is that libqt4-webkit-dev doesn't exist in the new package anymore and is replaced by libqtwebkit-dev. libqt4-webkit is only a transitional package now
[23:10] <Quintasan> mm
[23:11] <Quintasan> beats me how to solve it then
[23:11] <Quintasan> can you try removing libqt4-webkit and explictly make libqtwebkit-dev a dependency?
[23:12] <yofel> Quintasan: sure, as soon as you give me upload rights for kde4libs, as that's what needs to be fixed
[23:15] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm just a humble MOTU, no access to main :)
[23:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[23:15] <Quintasan> what needs to be done to solve that?
[23:16] <Quintasan> yofel: at least we know it builds fine :P
[23:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:19] <apachelogger> this is totally darth vader
[23:21]  * Quintasan is going to play HoN
[23:22] <yofel> Quintasan: here's the package btw. http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/yakuake/
[23:46]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger nigelb Riddell Quintasan shadeslayer
[23:46] <Nightrose> thanks guys :)
[23:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: i'm enjoying it very very much ;-)
[23:46] <Nightrose> at oscon atm in portland
[23:46] <Nightrose> it's awesome
[23:46] <Nightrose> didn't check irc and mail for a while...
[23:47] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/ (Folder.cpp Share.cpp SyncDaemonStatus.cpp) Holy french fries, what moron wrote those marshaling functions?!?!?
[23:47] <nigelb> I did wonder about the source of a ping from here :d
[23:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I might remind you that going to portalnd without me is even worse than shopping without me
[23:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :(
[23:48] <Nightrose> *hug*
[23:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but i'm with jeff here!
[23:48] <Nightrose> and valorie!
[23:48] <Nightrose> and and and
[23:48] <Nightrose> you should be here too
[23:50] <apachelogger> but I am not, which is the problem really
[23:50]  * apachelogger misses the Nightrose :(
[23:52]  * Nightrose misses the apachelogger too
[23:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is your host behaving himself?
[23:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: complicated question ;-)
[23:57] <apachelogger> is it?
[23:57] <apachelogger> :O
[23:57] <Nightrose> jep jep ;-)
[23:57] <apachelogger> what are you doing over there? Oo
[23:57] <apachelogger> oh dear....
[23:57] <apachelogger> #influde
[23:58] <Nightrose> Oo
[23:58] <apachelogger> in alphabet does f come before e or after? Oo
[23:58]  * apachelogger might be near to falling asleep while typing


[09:33] <amurray> Hello! I'm building a live CD based on Ubuntu and wish to include Sun's JRE, what license implications does this expose? Is this possible?
[11:38] <persia> amurray : just in case you're reading the logs : the answer is in the debian/copyright file.  My memory is that redistribution is permitted, but modification is not permitted, but you really want to read the license to be sure if you're going to distribute it.


[00:00] <owh> kirkland: Hah, found it, in the U-D mailing list: This gives you multi-verse/universe for example: aptitude search '~i~s.*verse' - Thanks to Tollef
[00:01] <owh> There is also a grep-status package that can show you: grep-status -nsPackage -eFSection 'universe|multiverse' -a -FStatus ' installed' | sort
[00:01] <owh> (The discussion was about Security/Support status of packages)
[00:02] <kirkland> mathiaz: owh: okay, I gotta run now, but I'll hack up a script that will give us a report on Main and Universe later tonight
[00:02] <owh> Cool.
[00:18] <alstone> hello
[00:18] <alstone> I am in need of php help mainly the imap_open command
[00:22] <sommer> alstone: what's your question... I'm not sure if this is the correct channel though
[00:32] <alstone> sorry for the delay @work
[00:32] <alstone> it seems that imap_open doesn't work how can I chk this?
[00:34] <owh> alstone: As sommer suggested, this may not be the correct channel for your question, but phpinfo() should tell you at least if imap is installed. As for "Doesn't work", you need to specify.
[00:34] <sommer> $imap = imap_open("{$server:143}", $username, $password); if ($imap) { print $imap };
[00:35] <sommer> alstone: I know that the php5-imap package works... used it today :-)
[00:35] <owh> Anyone got the hardy .iso URL handy?
[00:36] <alstone> ok so maybe I need to install that package
[00:36] <sommer> alstone: if you want to use the imap functions, you betcha
[00:36] <sommer> owh: I have a hardy iso :-)
[00:36] <owh> Ok, come over for a cuppa, bring the CD and I'll install it.
[00:36] <alstone> yeah if it isn't installed by default then it ain't there...  |-P
[00:37] <sommer> I can email it to you... heh
[00:37] <owh> sommer: I'm thinking that it will bounce :)
[00:37] <sommer> heheh... probably
[00:37] <owh> alstone: Well, that's easy fixed: aptitude install php5-imap
[00:39] <owh> In case anyone cares: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[00:41] <owh> sommer: I'm guessing you'll be late for a cuppa today then?
[00:41] <owh> :)
[00:42] <sommer> cuppa?  cuppa joe?
[00:45] <owh> I'm about to put the kettle on and make a coffee :)
[00:45] <sommer> heh... cool
[00:46] <alstone> hmmm did that but I am still gertting the same error
[00:47] <sommer> alstone: are you using apache?  if so you'll need to restart it after installing php5-imap
[00:49] <owh> alstone: Which particular error are you getting?
[00:53] <alstone> ah ok
[00:53] <alstone> it is a plugin for a blog
[00:53] <owh> Crap, this .iso is coming down at 5.6k, it will take 24 hours. Anyone got somewhere I can download the hardy alpha-6 iso at 1Mbit?
[00:53] <alstone> says that php-imap isn't there
[00:54] <owh> alstone: So, the error you're seeing isn't a php error it's a blog error from some php application?
[00:54]  * owh has visions of swamp land ahead.
[00:55] <alstone> yeah saying that it can't find php-imap
[00:56] <owh> First things first, can you make a simple .php script with this content: <? phpinfo() ?>
[00:56] <alstone> no I am getting a different error
[00:56] <owh> I'm trying to determine if PHP thinks IMAP is installed, not if your application thinks it is.
[01:00] <alstone> that gave me a syntax error
[01:00] <alstone> owh that is
[01:01] <owh> alstone: A PHP syntax error?
[01:05] <ScottK2> lamont: Would you please look at Bug #200308.  I'm almost certain it's a configuration error on the part of the reporter, but since it's with 2.5.1, we probably ought to be sure.
[01:07] <alstone> sorry yeah "syntax error near unexpected token `('"
[01:08] <alstone> but no worries now I get a can't connect error so I need to fix that
[01:09] <lmr_> all: Hey guys, I'd like to help out the server team on the test area, specially test automation and test infrastructure. I'm reading the material on the wiki, and I was wondering if you guys use autotest http://test.kernel.org/autotest to automate your testbucket
[01:10] <owh> lmr_: We were having a similar discussion yesterday, the only resource that I think currently exists is this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/
[01:11] <owh> One of the other things that came out of the discussion was that most automated tests were passing fine, it was the edge cases that broke down - the suggestion being more eyeballs to do manual testing.
[01:11] <mathiaz> lmr_: you should talk to kirkland about autotest
[01:12] <mathiaz> lmr_: I think he's working on this
[01:12] <lmr_> kirkland: Hey dude, good evening, you there? :)
[01:12] <mathiaz> lmr_: as for testing effort, one area were we would welcome is the upgrade testing from dapper to hardy
[01:12] <lmr_> mathiaz: Since they're LTS releases
[01:13] <mathiaz> lmr_: he is away for now - he may be back later tonight
[01:13] <owh> mathiaz: Are we supporting that straight through?
[01:13] <owh> mathiaz: As in, Dapper -> Hardy direct?
[01:13] <mathiaz> owh: dapper -> hardy ? yes
[01:13] <owh> Excellent. My clients will be happy :)
[01:13] <mathiaz> owh: we'll support gutsy->hardy *and* dapper->hardy
[01:14] <mathiaz> So we need more testing on the dapper->hardy upgrade
[01:14] <lmr_> mathiaz: I see
[01:14] <owh> Well, as soon as I have this hardy server cd down I'll start :)
[01:14] <mathiaz> I'd like to test as much as we can on the server side
[01:14] <mathiaz> things like making sure that mysql, postgresql, openldap, postfix upgrade correctly
[01:15] <mathiaz> lmr_: so if you have experience in automating tests, you're more than welcomed !
[01:15] <lmr_> mathiaz: Our distro fvtr includes a lot of ltp tests, filesystem stress, memory stress, java support tests
[01:15] <mathiaz> lmr_: fvtr ?
[01:16] <lmr_> mathiaz: functional verification test regression
[01:16] <lmr_> mathiaz: We're putting a lot of work on automating that, including reporting
[01:17] <mathiaz> lmr_: yes - reporting is the hardest part
[01:17] <lmr_> mathiaz: And of course making sure all the resultant code is maintainable and good enough
[01:17] <lmr_> mathiaz: Most of this work is already upstream
[01:17] <mathiaz> lmr_: I've used different testing frameworks - they lack good reporting
[01:17] <mathiaz> lmr_: which upstream are you refering to ?
[01:17] <lmr_> mathiaz: autotest upstream
[01:18] <lmr_> mathiaz: autotest is filling quite a lot of gaps on open source testing infrastructure
[01:18] <mathiaz> lmr_: ok - autotest seems to focus on benchmarks
[01:18] <mathiaz> lmr_: and track performance regressions
[01:18] <lmr_> mathiaz: Not really, it could be used to do any functional or performance (benchmark) testing
[01:19] <lmr_> mathiaz: My team uses it mostly for functional testing
[01:19] <sommer> might be a dumb question, but can you give an example of functional testing?
[01:19] <mathiaz> lmr_: I've briefly looked at the src code, and most of the test that were integrated were performance tests
[01:20] <mathiaz> sommer: does mysql server run ? YES-NO
[01:20] <sommer> aaahhh... right I'm with ya
[01:20] <mathiaz> sommer: that would be a functional test in the case of a dapper->hardy upgrade
[01:20] <lmr_> sommer: Functional testing: we run filesystem stress tests to see if the filesystems won't break/corrupt
[01:20] <mathiaz> sommer: making sure that after the upgrade the mysql server is still running
[01:21] <lmr_> sommer: You might know that, functional is making sure the functionality is ok
[01:21] <sommer> cool, that would be good to automate :-)
[01:21] <mathiaz> yeah - there are multiple categories when it comes to tests type
[01:24] <lmr_> mathiaz: I agree that we have many benchmark tests on autotest right now
[01:25] <lmr_> mathiaz: But there are some tests that we are developing, still internal, that we'll release upstream if possible
[01:27] <lmr_> mathiaz: autotest is being extensively used by google now, and we also benefit from it. Actually autotest is an offspring of an internal project we have
[01:28] <mathiaz> lmr_: great - you should definetly get in touch with kirkland then
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200308 in postfix "Upgrade doesnt work if using mysql dict types" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200308
[01:30] <ScottK2> lamont: Also, would you please give back postfix 2.5.1-1~dapper1 on all archs except i386?
[01:31] <owh> What's the delay with ubuto?
[01:31] <owh> s/o/u/
[01:32] <sommer> he's angry at life... I think
[01:32]  * mathiaz would bring a cup of coffee to ubotu
[01:33]  * owh has coffee to share, but getting it there might be an issue :)
[01:33]  * jjesse thinks you just pour it through the tubes that connect everything in the interweb
[01:33] <owh> Thanks, now I need to clean my keyboard :(
[01:34]  * mathiaz unplugs his isp cable and looks through the pipe
[01:35] <owh> mathiaz: Be careful, the light isn't good for your eyes!
[01:35] <ScottK2> leonel: Are you around?
[01:36] <ScottK2> leonel: When you get to the scrollback...  Theres a new clamav release candidate.  I was wondering if you could look through it and see if there are any security fixes in it we need for earlier releases.
[01:43] <kgoetz> shouldnt the new tzdata target 'gutsy' not 'gutsy-proposed'?
[01:45] <leonel> hey ScottK2  I did a  fast review when  it came out and didn't found any security bug just bugfixes   I'll do a  deeper check
[01:55] <ScottK2> leonel: Thanks
[02:24] <alstone> exit
[02:24] <faulkes-> alrighty then, now onto 7.10 via drac
[02:27] <faulkes-> owh: I'm slowly getting around to your .diff, today has been insane and it's still not done
[02:27] <owh> faulkes-: Remind me, which diff are we talking about?
[02:28] <faulkes-> server-survey
[02:28] <owh> Ah, cool.
[02:28] <owh> How did the exam go?
[02:28] <faulkes-> some of the stuff you mentioned in your email has been fixed and in my branch
[02:28] <faulkes-> it went, more or less, probably got an A
[02:28] <owh> :)
[02:29] <owh> Most of the changes were removing
 at the end of the questions.
[02:29] <owh> One had a
 wrapped around it.
[02:30] <faulkes-> yeah
[02:31] <faulkes-> I didn't see
's but I did see some
's still in there now, no worries, I'll rip it apart after a good night's sleep
[02:43] <owh> mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnnoBenschop/ubuntu-server/init.d-status
[02:48] <mathiaz> owh: awesome
[02:48] <owh> I made it scan /pool/main/ so I'm not sure if that shows what we intended.
[02:50] <owh> I was trying to think of a way to run the init.d script in some environment to make it show what "status" would actually output, but I couldn't think of how to deal with all the tests within each script - I suppose installing each matched package would do that.
[02:50] <owh> Oh, I emailed kirkland so when he wakes up he doesn't repeat my effort :)
[02:50] <mathiaz> owh: yes - sounds like a perfect job for kvm
[02:51] <mathiaz> owh: if you scan pool/main/ on the ubuntu-server iso, you'll only get the package from ubuntu-server
[02:51] <mathiaz> owh: there are more packages in main than the one on ubuntu-server
[02:51] <owh> Yeah, wasn't that what we wanted?
[02:51] <mathiaz> owh: I was looking for all of main
[02:52] <owh> Well if there is a full package mirror, then just run the script on the bottom of the page. I don't have such a mirror.
[02:53] <mathiaz> owh: kirkland has a full mirror
[02:53] <owh> I'll put a caveat on the wiki page so it's obvious.
[02:53] <mathiaz> owh: so your script should be usefull to him
[02:55] <owh> mathiaz: All good then :)
[03:31] <Jeeves_> Morning
[03:41] <kgoetz> Jeeves_: hello :)
[03:46] <Jeeves_> How's everybody doing?
[04:00] <kgoetz> giving solaris a poke before it gets nuked later in the week
[04:00] <kgoetz> and going crazy with minicom/bourne shell/compaq keyboard combo :)
[04:01] <twb> That sounds... masochistic.
[04:01] <kgoetz> thats a good word for it
[07:33] <owh> Just in case you're wondering if you're playing with the right distro: http://www.google.com/trends?q=debian%2Cubuntu%2Credhat&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[07:34] <_ruben> hehe
[07:52] <nijaba> morning
[07:54] <Jeeves_> Morning!
[07:59] <steve176> Hi. How should I set environment variables on ubuntu 7.10 server? I've tried /etc/environment /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc. They are visible from the terminal, but when I log in via ssh they aren't visible to my shell scripts
[07:59] <steve176> Same problem as this guy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=586993
[08:03] <_ruben> strange .. using /etc/profile for that purpuse worked just fine for me the other day (including ssh)
[08:04] <steve176> +rubun: it's been driving me nuts!
[08:08] <steve176> _rubun: For example - if I type echo ${JAVA_HOME} I get /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun, but if I try and run catalina.sh (tomcat startup script) it fails because JAVA_HOME is not defined. When I hardcode JAVA_HOME in the startup script tomcat starts up perfectly
[08:09] <steve176> _rubun: This is a clean ubuntu 7.10 install done just a few days ago.
[08:11] <_ruben> it could be that catalina.sh is started in a non-login sub-shell which would explain the lack of that env variable
[08:12] <_ruben> been ages since i worked with tomcat though (and even that was on deprecated versions by then)
[08:12] <_ruben> doesnt that script use 'su' to run stuff as a particular user? i vagely recall smth like that
[08:13] <steve176> _rubun: my /etc/init.d/tomcat script does (sudo -u tomcat), but the one in /opt/tomcat/bin doesn't
[08:14] <_ruben> is this the official ubuntu tomcat packages or from source or smth? .. if it's an official package you might need to file a bug report
[08:14] <steve176> _ruben: I think I have the answer
[08:14] <steve176> _rubun: I didn't know that you need to export NAME=VALUE for /etc/profile
[08:15] <_ruben> ah
[08:15] <steve176> _rubun: You don't need to for /etc/environment, however this seems to be ignored by ssh and only /etc/profile is used
[08:15] <_ruben> never used /etc/environment myself
[08:25] <kraut> moin
[10:19] <soul1> s
[11:03] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: ping
[11:03] <Jeeves_> DROPPED!
[11:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> !!
[11:03] <Jeeves_> ICMP is for hackers ;)
[11:03] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: What up?
[11:03] <pschulz01> haha..
[11:04] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: I was hoping for an introduction from Kamping_Kaiser.. re. T1 testing :-)
[11:04] <Jeeves_> Ah yes
[11:04] <Jeeves_> I've got two
[11:04] <pschulz01> What do you think will be the tricky bit?
[11:04] <pschulz01> (Getting Ubuntu onto it.)
[11:05] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: No clue. I've never seen a SPARC before :)
[11:05] <pschulz01> Oh. ;-)
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[11:05] <Jeeves_> I think I'll connect it to ALOM
[11:05] <Jeeves_> And than let you know the username/password/ip
[11:05] <Jeeves_> :)
[11:06] <Jeeves_> I've got this afternoon free-ish
[11:06] <Jeeves_> (my afternoon that is)
[11:06] <pschulz01> I have other Ubuntu server(s) that I can connect it to. (DHCP)
[11:06] <infinity> Someone has free T1s?
[11:06]  * infinity perks.
[11:06] <Jeeves_> infinity: www.sun.com/tryandbuy
[11:06] <pschulz01> infinity: These are not the T1's you are looking for.
[11:07] <infinity> Jeeves_: Oh, that's not quite free. ;)
[11:07]  * pschulz01 waves hand
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, incase i didnt meantion it, you can get a support ticket or 3 from canonical as part of try and buy, but i doubt they support alpha releases
[11:07] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: No you didn't. :-)
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, oops :|
[11:08] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Will we need it?
[11:08] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm in contact with a product manager of Sun NL
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, no </famous last words>
[11:08] <Jeeves_> He's very curious if/how stuff worsk
[11:08] <Jeeves_> s/sk/ks
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, cool
[11:09] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Jeeves_ Do the servers support DHCP, or it is BOOTP?
[11:09] <pschulz01> s/it si/is it/
[11:10] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: Yes.
[11:10] <Jeeves_> (It's either one of them :))
[11:10] <pschulz01> ?
[11:10] <pschulz01> Ok :-) As long a it's a standard :-)
[11:11] <infinity> bootp/tftp if you want to remote boot them (but dhcp3 in Ubuntu will do bootp as well)
[11:11] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: So we need.. DHCP/BOOTP with a kernel, initrd and root FS (maybe).
[11:12] <pschulz01> infinity: Yup..
[11:12] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Got all this ready to go..
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, need a tfptd to
[11:14] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: That's there.. on 'smoke'
[11:19] <Jeeves_> I'll connect it in an hour or two
[11:20] <Jeeves_> We'll see how it does
[11:20] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: :-) Catch you on the 'flip side'
[12:06] <zul> yay ebox is in universe
[12:06] <nijaba> \o/ for zull
[12:06] <Jeeves_> Is ebox 'fixed' allready?
[12:07] <nijaba> zul, even
[12:07] <Jeeves_> I tried it two weeks ago
[12:07] <Jeeves_> And it had some bug
[12:07] <Jeeves_> (no, I didn't file them, sorry)
[12:07] <zul> Jeeves_: well then Im not sure, there has been a couple of bugs fixed
[12:48] <zul> faulkes-: ping
[12:54] <faulkes-> zul: yo
[12:55] <zul> faulkes-: ebox has been uploaded to universe so we dont need any testing from my ppa, can you tell the forum people to redirect their bug reports (if any) to launchpad?
[12:55]  * faulkes- nods
[12:57] <zul> faulkes-: thanks
[12:57] <faulkes-> you have a LP link handy for reporting?
[12:58] <zul> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox
[12:59] <faulkes-> done
[13:00] <faulkes-> hmmm, anyone got suggestions for load-balancing / failover with gutsy -server?
[13:02] <zul> heartbeat
[13:04] <faulkes-> zul: thanks
[13:56] <henkjan> jdstrand: i filed a bug againts ufw and ipv6
[14:08] <jdstrand> henkjan: ok thanks
[14:08] <jdstrand> henkjan: I should be able to start looking at it soon
[15:17] <mruiz> hi all
[15:17] <mathiaz> hi mruiz
[15:20] <faulkes-> mathiaz: submitted the 1955 stuff to testing
[15:22] <soren> mok0: re bug 200648..
[15:22] <soren> mok0: You're running gutsy on the host? What about kvm kernel modules?
[15:37] <mok0> soren: kernel modules: version 59
[15:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200648 in kvm "guest machines falls behind time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200648
[15:39] <mok0> soren: sorry for the wait, I was away
[15:39] <soren> mok0: It would be lovely if you could try with something more recent.
[15:39] <soren> mok0: No worries.
[15:39] <mok0> soren: on gutsy?
[15:39] <soren> Yes.
[15:39] <mok0> what version?
[15:39] <soren> WEll, I'd prefer you tested on hardy, but failing that, a backported kvm-62 would be ook.
[15:40] <mok0> I can test it on hardy too
[15:40] <mok0> soren: in fact, I prefer to do tests on another machine than our production one
[15:40] <mok0> soren: and my workstation is a daily upgraded hardy
[15:41] <mok0> soren: you mean you have fixed the issue?
[15:42] <soren> mok0: I don't have timing issues.
[15:42] <mok0> soren: aha. Are your guest doing anything ;-)
[15:42] <soren> mok0: Not right now, no :)
[15:43] <soren> mok0: How much are they lagging?
[15:43] <mok0> soren: perhaps up to 10 minutes per hour
[15:44] <mok0> soren: of course, I cannot rule out it's an installation issue
[15:44] <mok0> soren: we are trying to fix it with a cron script that runs ntpdate
[15:44] <soren> mok0: And it only happens when the vm is busy?
[15:44] <soren> mok0: Don't.
[15:44] <soren> Really.
[15:44] <mok0> soren: ok, why?
[15:45] <soren> Because ntpdate jumps in time, which is a bad, bad idea.
[15:45] <mok0> I don't know exactly why or when it happens. We haven't analysed it in detail
[15:45] <soren> You want throttling, not warping.
[15:46] <mok0> hm...
[15:47] <mok0> soren: I will see if I can analyse the situation better for you
[15:48] <mok0> what parameters would be relevant? Load on the guest/host?
[15:50] <soren> Both, yes.
[15:51] <Jeeves_> http://gallery.bit.nl/main.php?g2_itemId=29440&g2_navId=x0f18a14b
[15:52] <mok0> soren, btw, would it be possible for kvm to set a user-definable process name (instead of just "kvm")? It is useful when you have several guest machines, that you can see who is who in a ps ax listing...
[15:53] <soren> mok0: You're running kvm from the commandline rather than through libvirt? (you've probably told me several times, but I forget, sorry)
[15:54] <mok0> Yes, the are started from a script called by rc.local
[15:54] <mok0> s/the/they
[15:54] <soren> Oh, I see.
[15:54] <soren> mok0: Well, no, I don't think kvm does that.
[15:54] <mok0> soren: perhaps we need to use the hacker tool... xname or something :-)
[15:56] <mok0> Xhide it is
[15:56] <soren> mok0: Heh.. Well, you could :)
[15:57] <mok0> soren: don't even need to compile it... I've found it on our systems once in a while :-)
[15:57] <soren> Ok.. :)
[15:59] <mok0> A few people here use Joomla, and an earlier version required php safe mode to be switched off ... we were attacked several times through that
[15:59] <mok0> I wish we could get rid of Joomla, though
[16:00] <soren> I hate safe mode.
[16:00] <mok0> Actually, not Joomla itself, but plugins that people install
[16:00] <mok0> soren: I have safe_mode = Off :-)
[16:00] <mok0> s/have/hate/
[16:03] <soren> It's  the wrong solution to a ridiculous problem.
[16:03] <mok0> soren: yeah
[16:03] <mok0> soren: but apparently PHP is unsafe without it
[16:04] <soren> php over fastcgi to separate process running as separate users being the correct solution.
[16:04] <mok0> soren: right... but that needs to be implemented by the developers
[16:04] <soren> No.
[16:05] <soren> It's already working (and has been for quite a while)
[16:05] <mok0> soren: I mean, it has to be implemented by the Joomla developers
[16:05] <soren> They *require* libapache2-mod-php5?
[16:05] <soren> Insanity!
[16:05] <mok0> soren: I am not sure
[16:06] <soren> mok0: Have I mentioned #ubuntu-virt, by the way?
[16:06] <mok0> soren: I haven't heard about it
[16:07] <soren> virtualisation channel. (unsurprisingly)
[16:07] <mok0> I see... a dozen people there, or so
[16:08] <mok0> I'll come along and hang out there
[17:01] <Theo_> how do you change the root password from a non-root acount?
[17:04] <mathiaz> !root | Theo_
[17:04] <Theo_> excuse me?
[17:04] <Theo_> what do I do?
[17:05] <mathiaz> Theo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:05] <mathiaz> Theo_: !root should have given you an automated answer for our bot - but the bot seems very slow.
[17:05] <mathiaz> Theo_: anyway the answer would be a link to the page above
[17:06] <Theo_> oh
[17:06] <Theo_> im reading it
[17:06] <Theo_> thanks
[17:07] <Theo_> so I have to enable it before I can login as root?
[17:08] <_ProbeDot[a]> Is there a way to connect applications that are not started with the same UID?
[17:09] <mathiaz> Theo_: well - the page tries to explain that there isn't any root account enabled in ubuntu and you should use sudo instead
[17:09] <Theo_> ah
[17:09] <Theo_> what about a root password that controls everything?
[17:10] <Theo_> Fuck, I re-installed my ubuntu server when I couldn't login with the user root
[17:18] <_ProbeDot[a]> I'm running most of jack with my UID, but one client is supposed to be started as a service
[17:21] <Theo_> I put a usb drive in my server. How do I access the files?
[17:23] <ubotu> Theo_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:27] <Theo_> thank you
[17:28] <_ruben> holy crap ... it took ubotu 19 minutes to respond to the trigger :p
[18:07] <jdstrand> henkjan: hi, looking at your comments for the ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration
[18:07] <jdstrand> in ufw
[18:08] <jdstrand> henkjan: is ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration something that should be expected to work anywhere, or just in certain environments
[18:08] <jdstrand> ?
[18:23] <onesandzeros> hello all.  If any of you are familiar with gentoo, you'll know of a way to prevent upgrades of a given package (/etc/portage/package.mask)  Does something similiar exist in ubuntu?
[18:27] <jdstrand> onesandzeros: apt-pinning
[18:28] <jdstrand> onesandzeros: you set it up in /etc/apt/preferences
[18:28] <jdstrand> google for apt pinning /etc/apt/preferences
[18:30] <onesandzeros> jdstrand: will do, thanks
[18:48] <sommer> gar... connection issues
[19:14] <zul> mathiaz: ping did you see that email to ubuntu-server?
[19:18] <mathiaz> zul: about samba ? yes
[19:18] <zul> im doing a test build of it to see what needs to be done
[19:18] <mathiaz> zul: I think the plan was to wait for Debian to upload 3.0.28a
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: I've just noticed that the archive freeze for beta starts in two days
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: so it may be worth getting samba before beta
[19:20] <zul> mathiaz: it is but if debian doesnt get it in time then we should do our own as well (also apart of the plan)
[19:20] <mathiaz> zul: Once you've checked what needs to be changed, you may wanna ask steve what he thinks about 3.0.28a for beta
[19:20] <zul> sure
[19:21] <mathiaz> zul: also - there seems to be some issue with conffile
[19:21] <mathiaz> zul: steve moved to ucf to handle the smb.conf file
[19:21] <zul> mathiaz: erm...ucf?
[19:22] <mathiaz> kirkland: ready for some merge fun ?
[19:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: let's do it
[19:32]  * faulkes- yawns
[19:32] <faulkes-> I need a nap
[19:33] <sommer> I want one
[19:36] <faulkes-> you always want what I have, it's like having a little brother ;)
[19:36] <faulkes-> first it's my blade server, now it's my nap
[19:37] <sommer> heh... you have all the best stuff
[19:38] <faulkes-> now, do I build heartbeat based fw / load-balancers in a fail-over config or do I vendor shop?
[19:38]  * faulkes- considers
[19:38] <faulkes-> anyone here use heartbeat in a production env?
[19:38] <mojo> How can I safely remove the video card from a server that i want to be headless?  ssh and webmin are working fine on the box, but i am afraid of problems if the kernel tries to initiate the video card after it's been pulled.
[19:39] <faulkes-> leave the card, remove the monitor
[19:39] <faulkes-> iirc most systems will fail POST if you remove the video card
[19:39] <mojo> faulkes-, yeah, did that but i want to recover the card for other systems i need to fix/text/build
[19:39] <mojo> faulkes-, this is in my home, on shoestring budget
[19:40] <faulkes-> I suggest you get an additional shoestring then ;)
[19:40] <mojo> lol
[19:40] <faulkes-> I'm pretty sure if you take the video card out, it'll die at POST
[19:40] <mojo> faulkes-, fwiw i just became "in between jobs" so that's not gonna be easy
[19:41] <faulkes-> gotta spend money to make money ;)
[19:41] <mojo> faulkes-, well, i guess i can experiment with that then.
[20:26] <owh> kirkland: Did you like my script?
[20:26] <kirkland> owh: very nice!
[20:26] <kirkland> owh: you beat me to it ;-)
[20:26] <owh> Did it work for you?
[20:27] <kirkland> owh: i'm actually working off of the output you have there
[20:27] <owh> kirkland: It was suggested by mathiaz that you run it across your mirror, rather than the alpha-6 cd.
[20:27] <kirkland> owh: ah, i'll do that
[20:28] <owh> kirkland: Mind you, the script doesn't take into account where the code is from, main/universe, but I suspect the mirror does?
[20:28] <kirkland> owh: yeah, separate dirs
[20:28] <owh> kirkland: Just run it from the level where you want it to find packages.
[20:28] <kirkland> owh: i'll just run it twice, one for each level
[20:28] <owh> kirkland: It does a find -type f to find all the files.
[20:29] <owh> kirkland: Also, it assumes no spaces in any paths.
[20:29] <owh> kirkland: Final warning, it assumes all files in the tree that it finds are packages.
[20:29] <kirkland> owh: shouldn't be any spaces
[20:29] <kirkland> owh: i'll enhance it to only look at *.deb$
[20:29] <owh> kirkland: If you can make your mirror read-only, I'd feel much more happy :)
[20:29] <kirkland> :-P
[20:30] <kirkland> owh: I'll run as a non-priv user
[20:30] <owh> kirkland: I don't like scripts with "rm -rf" snippets :)
[20:30] <kirkland> owh: I was working on patches for the following: http://pastebin.com/d204bce95
[20:31] <kirkland> owh: those are services I use on a daily basis, that I've found myself griping about a lack of "status"
[20:31] <owh> kirkland: Which reminds me, when I unpacked the "nessus" package on the Feisty Desktop CD, it had a really weird directory structure and borked stuff, but it didn't happen on the Hardy CD, haven't had a moment to look into it yet.
[20:32] <kirkland> owh: I'd say we're only really intersted in Hardy here
[20:32] <kirkland> but, duly noted
[20:32] <owh> kirkland: Yeah, I was just going to have a look-see when I had a moment.
[20:33] <owh> kirkland: That list seems good as a first go. I'd probably prioritise on those that result from a tasksel installation.
[20:33] <kirkland> tasksel?
[20:34] <owh> kirkland: When you run the installer it asks you: "What do you want this server to do?", That functionality is provided by tasksel.
[20:34] <owh> kirkland: The options are things like "DNS/Firewall/Mail/Samba/LAMP" etc.
[20:34] <kirkland> owh: gotcha
[20:34] <owh> kirkland: You can just run it on a console right now to see :)
[20:34] <kirkland> owh: you wanna grab the rest of those?
[20:35] <kirkland> the tasksel ones?
[20:35] <owh> kirkland: You mean, from tasksel?
[20:35] <owh> kirkland: I'll have a look-see.
[20:35]  * owh will have to first wake up and have some breakfast and coffee before any heavy lifting commences :)
[20:36] <kirkland> owh: sure, that's fine
[20:36] <kirkland> owh: stuff like bind
[20:36] <kirkland> that is very important, but not on that little list
[20:37] <kirkland> "that list" = "my list"
[20:37] <owh> kirkland: I'm just creating a one-liner, gimmie a mo, my brain isn't awake yet.
[20:38] <owh> kirkland: tasksel --list-tasks | while read a task b ; do tasksel --task-packages $task ; done | sort | uniq
[20:38] <owh> kirkland: Be warned, it contains all the packages that will get installed as a result of all the tasks.
[20:39] <owh> kirkland: Perhaps filtering out any desktop options, one mo.
[20:41] <owh> kirkland: Better still, just the server options:  tasksel --list-tasks | grep server | while read a task b ; do tasksel --task-packages $task ; done | sort | uniq
[20:42] <owh> kirkland: Hmm, that doesn't give us init scripts though, but if you make the mirror listing, I can merge the two.
[20:42] <owh> kirkland: Lemmie have a coffee and I'll update the script I gave you to also output the package name.
[20:42] <kirkland> owh: k, it'll be a few minutes, i'm on something else atm
[20:42] <kirkland> deal
[20:42] <owh> :)
[20:43]  * owh wanders off to wake up.
[20:59] <owh> kirkland: While I'm waiting for the coffee to brew, I've just added a column to the output that displays the package name.
[20:59] <kirkland> owh: very good
[20:59] <owh> kirkland: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnnoBenschop/ubuntu-server/init%2ed-status#preview
[21:00] <owh> kirkland: When you get the new output, can you grep it into two piles and update the wiki page?
[21:02] <owh> kirkland: s/get/generate/ :)
[21:36] <owh> kirkland: I think I'm awake now :) Anything I can do?
[21:59] <mathiaz> ScottK: so - I've got an merge of cyrus-sasl2 ready to be uploaded
[22:00] <mathiaz> ScottK: do you think it needs a FFe because of the new saslfinger utility ?
[22:08] <ScottK> mathiaz: I'd run in by slangasek as it's Main.  Since it's added in the Debian revision, I'm not sure.
[22:14] <ScottK2> mathiaz: Are you ready with cyrus-sasl2-heimdal too?
[22:15] <mathiaz> ScottK2: nope - didn't start
[22:33] <ScottK2> mathiaz: OK.  Well that one should be easy (IIRC)
[23:01] <owh> I've just done a straight boot from CD install of hardy alpha 6, selected no tasks, on a machine with no network interface and tasksel returns nothing at all. The /usr/bin/tasksel script is there, but it returns nada.
[23:02] <owh> I'm guessing that this isn't normal behaviour :)
[23:38] <kris_ph> Hello... is there anybody here who could direct me to where to find CGI directory?
[23:39] <zul> /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[23:39] <zul> mathiaz: yeehaw it builds
[23:48] <kris_ph> zul thanks...it exists but no contents in that directory
[23:55] <owh> Ok, I have found a bug in hardy-alpha6. I'm not sure if we care about it. If I install from CD *without* any network, tasksel doesn't work, it returns nothing - but if I install it from CD with a network, all is well. Should I log it as a bug, or is the edge case of installing a server without a network really not an issue - in my case I didn't want the server to start downloading lots of stuff from the net because all I wante
[23:56] <ScottK2> owh: I'd say file a bug.  At the very least it'll be a reminder for the release notes if that's intended behaviour.
[23:56] <owh> Cool, consider it done.