[05:33] <cokeslut> I'll find out
[05:33] <isofunk> confidential
[05:33] <xtknight> shortn: ubuntu edgy right?
[05:33] <blackduck3> is there a way we can talk on a mic ?
[05:33] <FILETBRIGADE> shatrat: I decided to dualboot with Windows because of my schoolwork.
[05:33] <cablesm102> blackduck3, you want to private message?
[05:33] <FILETBRIGADE> dualboot as in, having two OSs
[05:33] <blackduck3> ok
[05:33] <shortn> xtknight: yeah :-/... i just needed to get some docs off of it.... nothing important, just would be nice to not have to replace
[05:33] <FILETBRIGADE> Multiple partitions.
[05:33] <genii> Anyone using preseeded installs? Need to auto-add a user. the default samples don't work.
[05:34] <xtknight> shortn: hmm so what's the goal here?
[05:34] <blackduck3> i am new to IRC
[05:34] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, im vaguely familiar with the concept, when did you start having problems connecting
[05:34] <FILETBRIGADE> After I dualbooted.
[05:34] <xtknight> shortn: what happened leading up to this point or what are you trying to do?
[05:34] <FILETBRIGADE> So technically, after I installed Ubuntu (with Windows as my main OS.)
[05:34] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, Can you connect in windows? are you on that machine now?
[05:34] <FILETBRIGADE> I am on Windows right now, and yes I can connect.
[05:34] <FILETBRIGADE> I can ONLY connect on Windows.
[05:34] <FILETBRIGADE> Not on Ubuntu.
[05:34] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, must just be a config problem on your interface then
[05:35] <shortn> xtknight: to not have to replace those docs... but anyways, I was doing some web design stuff, i had rhythmbox open, firefox, gaim, terminal: ssh/irb, and gedit
[05:35] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, I think ipconfig is the dos command to show your interface info, you could make a note of those and hopefully help you set up your ubuntu interface properly
[05:35] <wastrel> "Ubunto"
[05:35] <shortn> xtknight: then it just froze, i couldnt reboot, so i had to use my powerbutton
[05:36] <FILETBRIGADE> I've opened command prompt now (on windows, of course)
[05:36] <FILETBRIGADE> I've got my IP address here, and the default gateway, connection-specific DNS suffix
[05:36] <xtknight> shortn: when does the tty job control error happen?  when you try to boot normally  again or when you try to boot off a livecd?
[05:36] <shifty> !beryl
[05:36] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:36] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, sweet, make a note of those 3
[05:36] <FILETBRIGADE> What would I need to do afterwards when I am on Ubuntu?
[05:36] <genii> Anyone using preseeded installs? Need to auto-add a user. the default samples don't work.
[05:36] <section31> how do you find the hostname of a computer in your network
[05:36] <olmari> Hello
[05:37] <bulmer> FILETBRIGADE: ping
[05:37] <shortn> xtknight: the error appears right after the grub menu disappears
[05:37] <olmari> any disjointed screens guru here?
[05:37] <bulmer> section31: uname -a
[05:37] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, system/administration/networking and you can put those in manually if DHCP isnt floating your boat.\
[05:37] <brokenegg> ok, I am experiencing gui hang after logging in, I just reinstalled gnome, and it still is happening, after stopping x I see an error that sais it is ahving troubble opening security policy file /user/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy, I go to look for that file, and it isn't there at all. anyone have any ideas, please?
[05:37] <xtknight> shortn: did you try booting in rescue mode
[05:37] <shortn> xtknight: for the one on my HD
[05:37] <Naik0> My sound in mplayer doesnt work
[05:37] <shortn> xtknight: yes, it goes to a blank screen and stays there
[05:37] <FILETBRIGADE> shatrat: thank you.
[05:37] <Naik0> cant click on any dvd menus either
[05:37] <FILETBRIGADE> Another question is about my resolution
[05:37] <xtknight> shortn: and did you say you had tried using the livecd?
[05:38] <zak_> how do i configure wine? i remember a dialog with options and stuff in other distros, but i can't remember the command
[05:38] <shifty> hey is beryl something like gnome ?
[05:38] <olmari> I got some problems with systray notification applet not working as expected
[05:38] <Naurd> Naiko : Is it playing with another player?
[05:38] <FILETBRIGADE> But I'm sure I can figure that out after I get my connection working on Ubuntu
[05:38] <shatrat> zak_, winecfg
[05:38] <shortn> xtknight: I'm using the livecd right now, I tried to mount the partition and i get a codepage error
[05:38] <shifty> hey shat
[05:38] <Naik0> Naurd: nope
[05:38] <xtknight> shortn: oh ok
[05:38] <Naik0> vlc doesnt work at all
[05:38] <FILETBRIGADE> Thank you, shatrat. I'll be back within five minutes if all works. If not, I'll boot in windows again.
[05:38] <Pirate-king> hello
[05:38] <xtknight> shortn: you are trying to mount your root partition right?
[05:38] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, you may need to install video drivers, worry about it when youre online.
[05:38] <Naurd> Are you using Gnome or KDE?
[05:38] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, Ill be here
[05:38] <genii> codepage error sounds like trying to mount some ntfs partition
[05:38] <Naik0> Naurd: GNOME
[05:39] <shatrat> sup shifty you smell purty
[05:39] <olmari> no program get any systray icon visible, but for example gaim debug says it has been dawn
[05:39] <Naurd> Naiko : Is the sound applet showing that the sound is muted, or disabled ?
[05:39] <shifty> :o
[05:39] <shortn> xtknight: yes, it's a dual boot system btw
[05:39] <wastrel> olmari:  do you have the systray applet in your panel?
[05:39] <shifty> shat is XGL good ?
[05:39] <shifty> :o
[05:39] <Naik0> nope
[05:39] <xtknight> shortn: you are trying to mount the root file system and it's ext3 right?
[05:39] <Naik0> xmms works =)
[05:39] <olmari> wastrel: yous
[05:39] <olmari> walkman2001: yes
[05:39] <shatrat> shifty, #ubuntu-xgl rawr
[05:39] <olmari> aargh I can't type anymore
[05:40] <olmari> wastrel: yes
[05:40] <shifty> yea, are u using it ? ;x
[05:40] <shifty> looks cool to me
[05:40] <shatrat> shifty, No, I use AIGLX
[05:40] <Naurd> But no sound is coming out with any application... And the sound applet is showing the sound as working?
[05:40] <shortn> xtknight: correct, i did fdisk -l and it tells me it's hd2, so when i try to mount it, i get the codepage error
[05:40] <xtknight> shortn: type "sudo fdisk -l" and make sure you were mounting the right partition.  if so, we can do a file system check and try to repair it
[05:40] <Pirate-king> where can I get a signal strenght meter for  wireless
[05:40] <shifty> what the hell is that shat ? o.o
[05:40] <shortn> hda2**
[05:40] <xtknight> shortn: ok
[05:40] <Naurd> just saw xmms is working...
[05:40] <shatrat> Pirate-king, network-manager-gnome has a little bar display like a cellphone, I like it
[05:40] <xtknight> shortn: type ' sudo fsck.ext3 /dev/hda2 '
[05:40] <wastrel> olmari:  what if you add a new one?
[05:41] <olmari> wastrel: I can disable it on any of my screens, then gaim degub also says can't do the icon... when I add new one, gaim says icon drawn okay, but yet I don't see any
[05:41] <Naurd> if you start Mplayer from the command line, does it show you any info about your sound engine?
[05:41] <Pirate-king> where is that shatrat>
[05:41] <shortn> xtknight: it's prompted me to fix something, hit <y>?
[05:41] <genii> shortn Did you install previously with some language localisation? (eg: not utf8)
[05:41] <xtknight> shortn: worth a try.
[05:41] <shatrat> Pirate-king, I cant remember, I assume its in the repos somewhere, maybe need to enable universe and multiverse
[05:42] <Naik0> just mplayer file.img ?
[05:42] <barata> ubuntu installer really really is real sucker
[05:42] <shifty> shatrat : is it hard to install ?
[05:42] <shatrat> barata, your mother doesnt love you and santa istn real, go away
[05:42] <shatrat> shifty, depends on your hardware, ask in #ubuntu-xgl, its not really a beginner question that would belong here
[05:42] <shortn> genii: no, I don't believe so
[05:42] <Naurd> Naiko : Or mplayer something.mp3
[05:42] <wastrel> olmari:  this is just gaim or any systray icon?
[05:42] <wastrel> olmari:  this is gnome or kde?
[05:42] <barata> here is a way around for nerds .... install it in vmware, copy it to your hd, then vi your mtab or fstab
[05:42] <shortn> xtknight: there's been about 20 prompts, im just going to keep hitting y
[05:43] <xtknight> shortn:  codepage header may have gotten corrupted and it thuoght it was a different codepage maybe
[05:43] <Naik0> Naurd: works
[05:43] <xtknight> shortn: sounds good
[05:43] <barata> newbies dont try that way
[05:43] <olmari> wastrel: any icon, jsut used gaim as example as I can get gooddebug info out of it.  How should I go about doing this so that my windows installation is not affected...?
[05:44] <barata> I'll write a manual soon
[05:44] <kitche> barata: it's just easier to use the alternate cd
[05:44] <genii> bef Thats not really a question for this channel
[05:44] <Naik0> Naurd: when i play a dvd file
[05:44] <barata> you mean to download it again? crap
[05:44] <shatrat> gbv22, you can run the liveCD without making any changes, if you do decide to install, defrag your NTFS drive first and then you can pretty easily shrink it and put ubuntu in the free space
[05:44] <xxyyzz> What can you type into the terminal to find out what version of Linux someone is running?
[05:44] <Naurd> ahh, ok maybe you don't have all the codecs installed...
[05:44] <xtknight> shortn: are there like a billion and a half errors?
[05:45] <bef> genii: i'm aware of that, yet there are lots of ubuntu users here and i'm looking for graphics help for an ubuntu project ;)
[05:45] <shortn> xtknight: yes :P
[05:45] <shatrat> kitche, barata is trolling.  He was in here earlier moaning about how ubuntu was a newbie windows wannabe OS because it requires you to format at least one partition
[05:45] <Naurd> Naiko : Do you see the image of the movie?
[05:45] <Naik0> yes
[05:45] <Naik0> but i cant click on it
[05:45] <barata> install it in vmware, minimal install is preferred, copy that to a real HD, copy that again ... then fix your menu.lst
[05:45] <wastrel> olmari: i dunno sorry :/
[05:45] <cablesm102> does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Airport on powerbooks? I'm helping someone over skype
[05:45] <Naurd> But never the sound...  Have you tried with Totem/Xine?
[05:45] <olmari> wastrel: I'm thinking would this be some simlpe error from localisation?
[05:45] <barata> heih shatrat ...   Run the liveCD and see how you like it.  There is a walk through on debianadmin,org, or .com, or whatever, for the whole install
[05:46] <olmari> wastrel: I can't think anything more myself either... I have tried everything I know todo... and I'd say alot compared being 4th day linux user :D
[05:46] <bef> genii: it's hardly off topic
[05:46] <Naik0> Naurd: it didnt work
[05:46] <Naurd> I don't know the img format...  How did you created that file?
[05:46] <xxyyzz> Does anyone know if there's a command you can type into the terminal that shows you what version of Linux you're running?
[05:46] <kitche> !version|xxyyzz
[05:47] <ubotu> xxyyzz: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[05:47] <xxyyzz> kitche, will that work on all Linuxes or just Ubuntu?
 Does anyone know if there's a command you can type into the terminal that shows you what version of Linux you're running? ---> damned! such a newbie question: uname -a
[05:47] <kitche> xxyyzz: just for ubuntu
[05:47] <gbv22> shatrat:i have used it before, as in..installed it before, but what happend was, I was not able to boot windows after that..it used to boot straight to ubuntu and some stuff like that, how can i work around that?
[05:47] <Naik0> Naurd: downloaded it
[05:47] <shortn> xtknight: it's stuck on this one fix right now and won't interrupt, so im waiting for that
[05:47] <genii> bef Well, it's more of a question not having to do with some kind of support help like hardware or software issues
[05:47] <Naurd> ok, it is like kind of a iso image of a DVD?
[05:47] <xxyyzz> barata, thanks that's exactly what I was looking for :)
[05:47] <Naik0> yupps
[05:47] <xxyyzz> Thank you too kitche =)
[05:47] <xxyyzz> You guys are great =)
[05:48] <shortn> xtknight: alright, i typed that in, the cursor is just flashing there
[05:48] <Naik0> Naurd: what codecs do i need
[05:48] <shatrat> gbv22, Well, it should put an entry for windows in your Grub boot manager, if it doesnt you can add one later,  if you really have problems with Grub you can easily reinstall the windows MBR from the windows install disk or a boot floppy or whatever.
[05:48] <Naik0> for playing dvd?
[05:48] <cablesm102> Does anyone know if wireless on powerbooks works on Ubuntu? I'm helping someone who can't type over Skype.
[05:48] <bef> genii: although i respect your opinion, i feel i am in the correct place to ask my question. cease your direction now please.
[05:48] <Naurd> ok, that's why is it now working with Totem/Xine...  Did not know that mplayer was able to do this ...
[05:49] <xtknight> how do you send SIGUSR1 to a program?
[05:49] <kitche> !offtopic|bef
[05:49] <ubotu> bef: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:49] <olmari> wastrel: Had touse windows all the way to this time... because ofwork... but not anymore ^^
[05:49] <Naurd> Make sure that you have MP2 and mp3 installed, normally with mplayer it is included...
[05:49] <Naik0> Naurd: what is the name of the package
[05:49] <olmari> wastrel: downside is that I don't have work...
[05:49] <Naurd> Can you mount this img file as a folder (like a partition?)
[05:49] <wastrel> heh
[05:49] <gbv22> shatrat: ok..so u suggest I proceed with installing ubuntu on my other hard disk, and u believe that I will be given a choice of which OS to boot from after that?
[05:49] <Naik0> Naurd: dont know how to do
[05:50] <bef> kitche: i am not a moron, i am asking for graphic support for a Ubuntu project, so this is the appropriate place.
[05:50] <xtknight> shortn: there's a way to get a progress bar without terminating the program again, im trying to figure out how
[05:50] <worldedit> ok, back for more help: i can't seem to stream videos from certain sites like iFilm. what do i need for this capability?
[05:50] <kitche> bef: not really
[05:50] <shortn> xtknight: no big deal, thanks for your help so far
[05:50] <bef> kitche: how so?
[05:51] <Naurd> for packages, I use Totem and installed everything that is called gstream**** (except for dev packages)...  As for mplayer, you can use Automatix (search google) and it will install a bunch of codecs used by mplayer and Xine...
[05:51] <shatrat> gbv22, Indeed.  Do you want to use the whole second drive for linux? that makes it even easier
[05:51] <juano__> bef: please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:51] <Naik0> Naurd: i have automatix2
[05:51] <kitche> bef: this is just for support -offtopic is the channel you want to ask that question
[05:52] <somerville32> bef: You might also try #ubuntu-artwork
[05:52] <genii> Anyone using preseed files or netboot? Trying to auto-add default users from there with no luck.
[05:52] <Naurd> Ok, Do you know if your movie is encoded with mp2 audio or AC3 audio?
[05:52] <bef> thank you somerville32
[05:52] <Naik0> no idea
[05:52] <gbv22> shatrat: well..it is an 80 gig drive, I don't mind using the whole thing for ubuntu, but ideally I wanted to install another linux version too, one that has a KDE dtp envt.. so that I could try both out. what do you think?
[05:52] <juano__> genii: hi how are you?
[05:52] <shortn> xtknight: I got this error: http://rafb.net/p/Qsngk015.html
[05:52] <Pirate-king> hey shatrat
[05:52] <genii> juano__ Well, thank you :) Hi again
[05:52] <shatrat> gbv22, you could have KDE and Gnome on one install and switch back and forth.  I do.
[05:52] <shatrat> Pirate-king, hey pirate king, arrr!
[05:52] <Pirate-king> what was the
[05:53] <Naurd> I think that mplayer may have problem playing ac3 files...  but I'm not sure... That would explain why you don't have audio with mpalyer.
[05:53] <Pirate-king> gnome network what was it?
[05:53] <Pirate-king> hehehe
[05:53] <Pirate-king> arrr
[05:53] <xtknight> shortn: try "sudo fsck.ext3 -C /dev/hda2""
[05:53] <shatrat> gbv22, I believe at the partitioning part of the install you can choose the second drive from a drop down menu or something and choose to format and use the whole thing.  If you really want to try out other flavors of linux later you might want to partition it into extra chunks now
[05:53] <Naurd> Can you open your img file to copy one of the VOB files on your hd?
[05:54] <maddash> Pirate-king: network-admin?
[05:54] <Naik0> i have a sample file for the dvd
[05:54] <Naik0> it is vob
[05:54] <Naik0> should i try to play it
[05:54] <gbv22> shatrat: ok..how many gigs should I make the partition then, just for the OS?
[05:54] <Pirate-king> what was it in multi or universe you told me to do
[05:54] <Pirate-king> for the wi fi
[05:54] <genii> Naurd You can usually loop mount some hd or fd image file
[05:54] <Naurd> Naiko, what do you mean a sample file
[05:54] <olmari> Q to all: Do I want to enable ext3 writeback?
[05:54] <Naik0> .vob file
[05:55] <juano__> genii: heh the other day a guy had grub issue, i helped him with same stuff
[05:55] <Naurd> ok, do you have ffmpeg on your pc
[05:55] <Naik0> hmf
[05:55] <Naik0> not sure
[05:55] <Naurd> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[05:55] <Naurd> it is quite small
[05:55] <genii> juano__ Cool :) Once you learn something the hard way it's easy to remember again how to do it
[05:55] <juano__> genii: seems the grub-install --root-directory=/rootpartition /dev/hda is very useful
[05:55] <juano__> genii: absolutely
[05:55] <Pirate-king> hey shatrat the gnome network tool you told me to install?
[05:56] <shatrat> gbv22, well, you could make about a 10-15 gig partition for the root, /, and then make a larger one and mount /home to it in the mounting stage.  That way when you reinstall you dont have to format your personal files.  Youll also want a swap.
[05:56] <shatrat> Pirate-king, network-manager-gnome
[05:56] <Pirate-king> what exactly was it called?
[05:56] <Pirate-king> ahhh
[05:56] <Naik0> Naurd: it is working
[05:56] <Naik0> with sound and everything
[05:56] <Naurd> ???  with ffplay or with mplayer?
[05:56] <olmari> well... I do got one another issue.. is it any waypossible to install grub onto GPT disk?
[05:56] <Naik0> mplayer
[05:56] <nighthawk02> !soapbox
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soapbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <worldedit> can anyone help me with installing Beryl with an nVidia card?
[05:56] <Pirate-king> thanks
[05:57] <olmari> ubuntu gives error, until I did alternate install and used lilo
[05:57] <genii> Yes, separate /home partition is very useful as an overall strategy. Makes upgrades simpler without losing personal prefs every time and so on
[05:57] <Naurd> ok, i think mplayer uses ffmpeg to play the video?  that was the missing codec
[05:57] <gbv22> shatrat: i am not sure what u mean by all of those, this root ( i am guessin it is where the os is at??) , home ( other data?) and swap?
[05:57] <tavdash> I installed network manager via synaptic. whats the easiest way to remove this and all its dependencies??
[05:57] <tavdash> synaptic doesnt remove dependencies it seems
[05:57] <Naik0> Naurd: how do i get a control window like in gmplayer
[05:58] <Naik0> but i dont want gmplayer
[05:58] <shatrat> tavdash, sudo apt-get autoremove
[05:58] <emilia> anyone feel like helping me get audio while watching quicktime:) ?
[05:58] <shatrat> tavdash, if nothing else needs them then that should get em
[05:58] <noobie0057> using mencoder I created an avi file out of a set of png files,, I'd like to add a wav file to complete the movie. Does anyone know how to do this?
[05:58] <Naurd> you'll have to install one of the gui-mplayer package...  Let me look for a sec
[05:58] <xtknight> just for reference, you can send the SIGUSR1 signal to a process by typing "kill -s USR1 pid"
[05:59] <noobie0057> emilia: perhaps this will help  http://kev.coolcavemen.com/2006/11/usefull-commands-video/
[05:59] <xtknight> (for fsck this enables progress bar without restarting fsck)
[05:59] <Naik0> Naurd: ok :)
[05:59] <shortn> xtknight: "Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks..."... now it's doin another scan
[05:59] <keeganX> Hi Everyone I am trying to get Beryl to run, but I am using a GeForce 4 MMX, and the new Nvidia drivers in the repo do not support the GeForce 4 MMX, where can I find drivers that support GeForce 4 MMX with GLX??
[05:59] <genii> Is there some netboot specific channel?
[05:59] <xtknight> shortn: not sure how that thing is going to turn out..
[05:59] <xtknight> shortn: im surprised one crash could be that bad
[05:59] <emilia> noobie0057, nothng for quicktime :(
[05:59] <olmari> keeganX: nvidia-legacy should be your driver
[06:00] <noobie0057> emilla: no,,  perhaps you can convert it though
[06:00] <tavdash> shatrat: do i run that after running sudo apt-get remove network-manager?
[06:00] <shatrat> keeganX, #ubuntu-xgl would be a better channel for that, and I think youll have to run XGL but im not sure
[06:00] <Naurd> you have mplayer and mplayer-nogui (Ubuntu 6.10)...  wich one have you installed?
[06:00] <keeganX> Will it support beryl too olmari?
[06:00] <noobie0057> emilla: with ffmpeg ?
[06:00] <tavdash> will it grab the dependencies/
[06:00] <tavdash> ?
[06:00] <Naik0> Naurd: dont know
[06:00] <emilia> noobie0057, no im watching trailers on apple.com
[06:00] <Naik0> how do i check
[06:00] <eggs> every time i replace nv with nvidia in my xorg.conf file my x dies. im running 6.06 any help ?
[06:00] <shatrat> tavdash, yeah, it should say something like "x and y packages are no longer needed. Run apt-get autoremove to remove them from system" somewhere in the message when you remove network-manager
[06:00] <cafuego_> emilia: try mplayer or vlc
[06:00] <Naurd> ok, load synaptic and search for "mplayer" in the names only
[06:00] <tavdash> shatrat: ah ok, thanks
[06:01] <olmari> keeganX: It will... trough AIGLX if not directly, as in most cases
[06:01] <emilia> cafuego, i have both of those installed, but how can i do it from firefox?
[06:01] <drmemory> hi. I am an old programmer, but new to linux/ubuntu.  What package(s) have the header files and libraries for developing X11/OpenGL programs?  synaptic show a number of possible ones, but I don't know which I really want, and I don't want to mess anything up.
[06:01] <cafuego_> eggs: Install the drivers as well. 'nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)'
[06:01] <FILETBRIGADE> Well that was interesting
[06:01] <noobie0057> emilla: I've downloaded the mac commercial and added a Tux character,, then I created a new audio for the commercial,, I want to upload it to youTube,, I just can't add the audio to the file
[06:01] <shatrat> eggs, must be the nvidia drivers not installed properly or something is getting in the way of the module loading, et cetera.  Follow the how-to carefully is all Ican say
[06:01] <cafuego_> emilia: They both have a firefox plugin
[06:01] <Naik0> Naurd: i have mplayer
[06:01] <FILETBRIGADE> Tried going into Ubuntu
[06:01] <Pirate-king> where would you find a signal strenght meter in ubuntu
[06:01] <FILETBRIGADE> mountfailed.
[06:01] <eggs> hello aagin shatrat
[06:01] <Pirate-king> for wifi
[06:01] <FILETBRIGADE> So I think I'm just going to re-dual boot...
[06:02] <emilia> cafuego, which one do you prefer?
[06:02] <Naurd> then you should be able to show the controls, right click on the mplayer screen, there should be an option for that...
[06:02] <cafuego_> emilia: mplayer
[06:02] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, thats very strange.  what order did you install windows and linux in?
[06:02] <cafuego_> emilia: actually, mplayer for the browser, vlc on the desktop.
[06:02] <emilia> cafuego, do you know how i can install the mplayer plugin?
[06:02] <Naik0> Naurd: i start mplayer in the term
[06:02] <FILETBRIGADE> Windows first then Linux.
[06:02] <shatrat> eggs, hi
[06:02] <FILETBRIGADE> Windows on 250 gb
[06:02] <FILETBRIGADE> Linux on the 60 gb slave drive.
[06:02] <xtknight> drmemory: they would all end with "-dev"
[06:02] <cafuego_> emilia: it's called mozilla-mplayer or somesuch.
[06:02] <eggs> miss me ?
[06:02] <Naurd> yep does not matter...
[06:03] <FILETBRIGADE> NTFS partition 60gigs on the 250, the rest if fat32
[06:03] <ozzicle> Does anyone know how to setup video input on nvidia 7000 series cards...I can't seem to find any documentation on setting it up...
[06:03] <cafuego_> emilia: a search via apt-cache or synaptic should find it
[06:03] <Naik0> cant right click
[06:03] <FILETBRIGADE> Slave is 60gigs, ext3 and swap for Linux.
[06:03] <Naik0> i try with gmplayer
[06:03] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, well, then it probably wasnt windows hosing the partition in that case.  Perhaps you should see if you can mount it on the liveCD.  190 gigs of vfat...ewwww
[06:03] <xtknight> drmemory: libx11-dev should get you started
[06:03] <Naik0> i dont like gmplayer because it is two windows i only want 1 window
[06:03] <xtknight> drmemory: mesa libraries may be helpful for opengl
[06:04] <FILETBRIGADE> I got a debian error.
[06:04] <eggs> cafuego: i just did apt-install and thoes 2 packages
[06:04] <drmemory> thanks xtknight.  unfortunately, synaptic shows too many of those to be useful, with no obvious way to pick out the apropriate one(s)
[06:04] <FILETBRIGADE> T'was strange.
[06:04] <eggs> now do i reboot?
[06:04] <FILETBRIGADE> Because I reboot'd before, everything was fine.
[06:04] <drmemory> xtknight:  mesa.  ok
[06:04] <Naurd> ok, you will have the same thing with a mplayer flavor...  what you want is more like Totem
[06:04] <drmemory> I'll google around some.
[06:04] <Naik0> but with gmplayer when i open .vob file it says "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device."
[06:04] <shatrat> FILETBRIGADE, well, i'd look to the liveCD at this point for salvation from possible grub malconfiguration or filesystem borkedness
[06:04] <ifbermeo> I am having trouble with hibernation. when i to hibernate, my laptop is saying that that swap is not available
[06:05] <eggs> alright i will try this one more time
[06:05] <eggs> ima go kill x then bring it back
[06:05] <shatrat> eggs, good luck
[06:05] <codi> is there a file search in ubuntu
[06:05] <eggs> hopefully this woks
[06:05] <Naurd> you have to edit the preference to select the correct device for the video output
[06:05] <ifbermeo> i am running edgy eft
[06:05] <ajax4> Hey guys...I'm gonna be installing Edgy on a laptop. Anyone know of a good place to find info on encrypting the whole system?
[06:05] <Naik0> what devie should i select?
[06:05] <Naurd> just a sec
[06:06] <Naurd> ok, go in preferences, and select "Video" tab
[06:06] <Naik0> yupps
[06:06] <FILETBRIGADE> This is weird
[06:06] <FILETBRIGADE> Why is my 250 gig listed under the Safely Remove Hardware tab (windows.)
[06:06] <Naurd> the standard setting is X11 or xv, but on your system other may work
[06:07] <Naik0> ok it worked with x11
[06:07] <Madpilot> FILETBRIGADE, um, because Windows is messed up, and that's why this is not a Windows support channel?
[06:08] <Naik0> but now i want the mplayer video window and control window in one window
[06:08] <Naurd> It all depends on your video card driver
[06:08] <emilia> cafuego, i installed it, but firefox is still using totem?
[06:08] <ifbermeo> can anyone suggest things to try in order to get hibernation to work?
[06:08] <ShiftyPowers> guys, is there a way to remove grub or make the time it stalls 0?
[06:08] <emilia> cafuego, even after i restarted firefoxc
[06:08] <emilia> -c
[06:08] <zyth> ShiftyPowers, grub.conf
[06:08] <ShiftyPowers> or is it menu.lst?
[06:08] <shatrat> ifbermeo, I know there is a big thread on using software suspend on the ubuntuforums.org by Trevino, really long.  I havent gotten it all figured out myself though
[06:08] <FILETBRIGADE> Madpilot: No need to be so hostile, it was just a remark. I originally came here because Ubuntu had internect connection issues, now booting issues.
[06:09] <ShiftyPowers> zyth, grub.conf or menu.lst?
[06:09] <shatrat> ShiftyPowers, you can change the delay to 1 in the /boot/grub/menu.list
[06:09] <Naurd> All is ok Naiko?
[06:09] <Flannel> ShiftyPowers: sure, menu.lst, delay of zero
[06:09] <shifty> o.o
[06:09] <ShiftyPowers> shatrat, can i make it 0?
[06:09] <zyth> ah that
[06:09] <zyth> ok
[06:09] <zyth> yeah menu.lst
[06:09] <ShiftyPowers> cool
[06:09] <Naik0> Yes thank you Naurd
[06:09] <shifty> wow o.o
[06:09] <Naurd> glad to have helped you
[06:09] <shatrat> ShiftyPowers, I dont know, that could seriously burn you if you break the kernel or x session that is default...
[06:09] <codi> how can i change the device name of an ntfs drive?
[06:09] <Naik0> hehe
[06:10] <shifty> hey bro, *looks @ ShiftyPowers
[06:10] <ShiftyPowers> fine, i'll put it at zero
[06:10] <FILETBRIGADE> Time to reboot, re-dualboot
[06:10] <ShiftyPowers> hmm, similar name :)
[06:10] <shatrat> codi, you can chang ethe mount point in /etc/fstab, changing the device name is probably not a good idea
[06:10] <ShiftyPowers> any other links for how i can clean up the boot process of my ubuntu box?
[06:10] <shifty> :P
[06:10] <Flannel> ShiftyPowers: one will be safer.  It'll give you a chance to abort if you break your default item
[06:10] <codi> i meant change the fact that it's called 'New Volume'
[06:10] <ShiftyPowers> it's my server with MythTV and I want to get rid of all the stuff
[06:10] <shatrat> !bum|shiftpowers
[06:10] <ubotu> shiftpowers: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:10] <ShiftyPowers> that i don't need
[06:10] <codi> not the hdb1
[06:10] <noobie0057> can anyone help me to add a wav file to a avi file?
[06:11] <ShiftyPowers> cool
[06:11] <gbv22> shatrat: could u pls explain wht u mean by all of those, this root ( i am guessin it is where the os is at??) , home ( other data?) and swap?
[06:11] <shatrat> noobie0057, Im pretty sure you can do it with mencoder, dont know the exact arguments to use though
[06:11] <Naurd> noobie0057 : FFMpeg is a good tool for that
[06:11] <emilia> no matter which plugin  install, either mplayer or vlc, firefox uses totem?
[06:11] <emilia> and icant get sound in quicktime video :(
[06:12] <Naurd> noobie0057 : command line would be : ffmpeg -i file.avi -i sound.wav newavifile.avi
[06:12] <ademan> hey my friend forgot her windows password, is there any way to boot a linux liveCD and brute force the password? is there a specific file to look in? and an algorithm?
[06:12] <codi> how can i change my resolution to 1440x900
[06:12] <shatrat> gbv22, well, root is the base of the filesystem tree, its where all the system software is installed and the configurations for the system are.  swap is where the pagefile is kept, seperate partition for a number of reasons, /home is where all the users data and settings are.  for ex. /home/sam is usually the only thing the user sam has write access to on a system without becoming superuser.
[06:12] <xtknight> ademan: is it really worth it vs. just reinstalling windows?
[06:13] <brokenegg> if gnome session won't load, could it be a problem with a splash screen???
[06:13] <MrWamu> ADE MAN
[06:13] <MrWamu> Try admin
[06:13] <noobie0057> Naurd,,, ahh 2 inputs thanks!!
[06:13] <xtknight> ademan: does she have encrypted files?
[06:13] <opened_> aha
[06:13] <ademan> xtknight: well i kinda lied, i'm asking around for a friend who's friend forgot her password haha, so i honestly don't know, but i doubt it
[06:13] <MrWamu> Login in as admin and reset windows password start the computer press f8
[06:13] <shatrat> the old friend of a friend
[06:13] <Naurd> noobie0057 : with a GUI, try avidemux, quite easy also...  or Cinelerra
[06:13] <xtknight> ademan: pfft...too many friends lol
[06:13] <brokenegg> how can I disable the splash for gnome??? from the command prompt?
[06:14] <xtknight> ademan: bring the client right here! :P
[06:14] <brokenegg> !splash
[06:14] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.
[06:14] <ademan> they're paying him $25/hour to fix their computers and set up their wireless and crap, pretty good deal for him, i'm just tryin to help him so he doesn't look dumb :-p
[06:14] <xtknight> ademan: honestly just extract the files out of Documents and Settings....why is this in #ubuntu though?
[06:14] <ajax4> ademan: I hope you're getting a cut.
[06:15] <eggs> still no love
[06:15] <ademan> xtknight: well i figured booting a liveCD would be a good way to go about things, of course getting ntfs read/write on a liveCD might be tricky
[06:15] <ademan> along with the cracking app
[06:15] <gbv22> shatrat: thanks, i will try and hope it works out, thanks again
[06:15] <ademan> xtknight: which files out of DOcuments and Settings?
[06:15] <shatrat> gbv22, no problem.
[06:15] <xtknight> ademan: i really doubt you can crack the xp password.  it's probably a hash
[06:16] <ajax4> ademan: You can read NTFS fine. I agree with xtknight, just boot the live CD and copy off the important files.
[06:16] <ademan> xtknight: well brute force you technically could, hash each random string compare to the password hash, if they match, check the string, if the girl recognizes the password, then that's it
[06:16] <noobie0057> emilia: what a url of the video you want to see,, I'll see if it works on my system
[06:16] <xtknight> ademan: yes it is a hash, not worth anyone's time brute forcing it.  save the important files (My documents is in Documents and Settings)
[06:17] <eggs> shatrat: still no love :(
[06:17] <brokenegg> how do I kill the gnome splash screen from command? I think it is causing my system to hang at boot. please?
[06:17] <ademan> hrm ok, dunno if they'll be cool with that idea though, you know?
[06:17] <xtknight> ademan: guess that's what they get for forgetting their pw?
[06:17] <xtknight> ademan: i dont knwo man, it sounds like the best thing to me
[06:17] <ademan> brokenegg: gnome splash?  not usplash? the little thing that says loading metacity and nautilus and all that rot?
[06:17] <shatrat> brokenegg, did you try changing session to gnome failsafe?
[06:18] <brokenegg> I can get into failsafe
[06:18] <brokenegg> terminal only
[06:18] <xtknight> ademan: if you really want to then i think sysinternals has some utility to try and crack it.. i really dont see how it would be worth it
[06:18] <shatrat> eggs, edgy or dapper?
[06:18] <brokenegg> yes, usplash, sorry
[06:18] <eggs> drapper
[06:18] <xtknight> ademan: here you go http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/
[06:18] <shatrat> eggs, what guide have you been following?
[06:18] <ademan> thanks xtknight, i'll stop mucking up #ubuntu now :-)
[06:18] <xtknight> ademan: #windows
[06:19] <brokenegg> i can enter my username and password, then it just hangs, I assume trying to load a splash image, since that is what comes next
[06:19] <eggs> every one
[06:19] <userbn> test
[06:19] <eggs> i am beginning to think it is my monitor
[06:20] <eggs> when i do it, just the lights flash
[06:20] <shatrat> eggs, ooh, maybe it sout of range or something? try lowering the resolution and refresh rates in your /etc/apt/xorg.conf
[06:21] <eggs> okey dokey
[06:21] <Naurd> eggs : have you tried ctrl-alt-"-" or ctrl-alt-"+"...
[06:21] <eggs> no
[06:21] <digitalhav0c> how do you minimize screen
[06:21] <brokenegg> trying to login to the failsafe gnome session yields the same result after entering my name and pasword, nothing, a white box in the upper left hand corner, I can move my curser, but there is nothing to do
[06:21] <Naurd> this will change resolution on the fly...
[06:21] <eggs> when i replace nv with nvidia is when it goes crazy
[06:21] <digitalhav0c> or close screen but keep in memory i forgot
[06:22] <digitalhav0c> ctl something
[06:22] <eggs> i have to edit xorg.conf from tty1
[06:22] <brokenegg> the only login I can get is failsafe terminal
[06:22] <brokenegg> can anyone help me, I think it is the splash, how do I disable it??
[06:22] <Naurd> eggs : yep, use the package "mc", it is great for that
[06:23] <eggs> great for what ?
[06:23] <brokenegg> !usplash
[06:23] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[06:23] <Naurd> eggs: to edit files from a terminal
[06:23] <eggs> oh
[06:23] <eggs> i like nano
[06:23] <eggs> it works good for me
[06:23] <Naurd> eggs: apt-get install mc
[06:23] <Naurd> same thing
[06:24] <Naurd> but mc can navigate files
[06:24] <eggs> well mc wont fix my problem :/
[06:24] <eggs> shatrat: how do i lower my reso ?
[06:24] <Naurd> eggs : in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, replace the entry nvida with vesa and you will be able to check if it works
[06:25] <eggs> what is vesa ?
[06:25] <xtknight> eggs: a default video driver for X11
[06:25] <Naurd> eggs : a generic driver for all cards, (no 3d, no 2d acc)
[06:26] <shatrat> eggs' problem is getting his "nvidia" to work though, hes running now with "nv"
[06:26] <zak_> uhhh, fullscreen wine app crashed, left screen in 640x480, can't see the menu... how to change screen back?
[06:26] <shatrat> I dont see what testing with "vesa" would show
[06:26] <zak_> [i have a terminal open, luckily]
[06:26] <xtknight> zak_: press ctrl alt +
[06:26] <zak_> wow, anti-aliasing is really cool up close!
[06:26] <noobie0057> got it,, thanks all
[06:26] <hagabaka> when downloading and installing multiple packages, is it possible to let apt-get or aptitude pipeline the process and install packages already downloaded if possible?
[06:26] <shatrat> zak_, lol
[06:27] <zak_> xtknight: does nothing... the app actually crashed - wine's not still running
[06:27] <Naurd> I wang to give eggs his gui back to test resolution with is monitor
[06:27] <mena> How to keep sure that the detected VGA card is the right
[06:27] <xtknight> zak_: dont give up yet :P
[06:27] <eggs> i have gui
[06:27] <eggs> im running on nv
[06:27] <shatrat> hagabaka, what doyou mean by pipeline? You can install multiple packages with one line if thats what youre asking
[06:27] <eggs> i want glx to work so i can game
[06:27] <Naurd> ah ok, sorry
[06:27] <eggs> np
[06:28] <Naurd> what is your resolution then?
[06:28] <eggs> this is the beginning of week 3 for me
[06:28] <hagabaka> pipelining means doing multiple jobs concurrently when possible, instead of sequentially
[06:28] <eggs> shatrat had suggested me lower it
[06:28] <eggs> to see if nvidia would work with a lower reso
[06:28] <Naurd> and ?
[06:28] <shatrat> hagabaka, well thats generally not safe when the things youre doing include writing system files and configurations.
[06:28] <hagabaka> so i mean downloading a package, installing it while downloading others, and then install another downloaded package, etc
[06:28] <cablesm102> hagabaka, that would be smart, not sure why they don't do that
[06:28] <eggs> i dont know how to lower reso with the nvidia change
[06:28] <Naurd> is it working at 1024x768 or 800x600?
[06:29] <hagabaka> the packackage installation process should be done only one at a time
[06:29] <eggs> how do i check what i am running at ?
[06:29] <bef> how do i get a freenode list of channels?
[06:29] <facugaich> bef: /list
[06:29] <xtknight> zak_: type "xrandr -q"
[06:29] <eggs> the highest number is 1280x1024
[06:29] <zak_> xtknight: nm, got it sorted [i could move the mouse to the menu - just coulodn't see it]
[06:29] <Dasnipa`> hagabaka, you could write a frontend script to do that... you just need the console flag to do process a if process b terminates with success code
[06:29] <bef> facugaich: how do i get an ordered list
[06:29] <Naurd> in preferences, there is an entry menu with "Resolution"... see what is selected
[06:29] <xtknight> zak_: for future reference, "xrandr -s N" will change res
[06:29] <facugaich> bef: dunno
[06:30] <hagabaka> but that doesn't help when multiple packages are automatically installed due to dependency
[06:30] <xtknight> zak_: xrandr -q lists possible modes
[06:30] <Dasnipa`> hagabaka,  i forget what that flag is however
[06:30] <Naurd> or look in xorg.conf, and look the default resolution...
[06:30] <eggs> 1280x1024 @ 60 hz
[06:30] <Naurd> can you change it to 1024x768
[06:30] <shatrat> eggs, is it an older monitor?  it might not support that
[06:31] <zak_> xtknight: thanks... i'll try and remember... it's the sorta thing that happens so rarely but is so annoying
[06:31] <worldedit> having an odd problem. when i click the power off button on my desktop bar nothing happens, and i dont wanna have to switch it off at the button >_< any suggestions?
[06:31] <eggs> k im lower reso now
[06:31] <Naurd> shatrat : his monitor is supporting it since he can see the gui...
[06:31] <Naurd> which one?
[06:31] <xtknight> zak_: indeed, and we people aren't the type to give up
[06:31] <shatrat> Naurd, I thought that wasnt the one he was using right now, but the max in his xorg.conf
[06:32] <eggs> i was running at 1028x1024 now im at 1024x768
[06:32] <shatrat> worldedit, well, you could ctrl alt backspace to the login and try and shutdown from there
[06:32] <Dasnipa`> hagabaka, well in the case of a dependency i probably would suggest avoiding that unless you plan on being really careful. sounds too easy to get collision or something bad occuring
[06:32] <Naurd> shratrat : you're right...
[06:32] <hagabaka> Dasnipa`: did you mean a frontend to apt, like apt-get or aptitude, or a front end to apt-get and aptitude themselves?
[06:32] <Dasnipa`> hagabaka, yeah would have to be a frontend to apt
[06:32] <worldedit> shatrat: i'll give it a shot. ive been a windows user for too long, i was ctrl alt deleting
[06:32] <eggs> now i try changing nv to nvidia ?
[06:32] <shatrat> eggs, and think happy thoughts
[06:32] <Naurd> ok, load that nvidia... make sure that the default in xorg is 1024x768 also just to be same
[06:33] <Naurd> to be saFe...
[06:33] <eggs> how do i change my default?
[06:33] <eggs> to make sure ?
[06:33] <hagabaka> i think it's feasible to do it even with dependency, since apt-get knows to install the dependent packages first
[06:34] <shatrat> eggs, Id just get rid of everything bigger than it in the mode lines in the Screen section
[06:34] <Naurd> look in xorg.conf, you'll see an entry that define the default values for the resolution and the depth used by xorg...
[06:34] <eggs> okey dokey
[06:34] <Dasnipa`> hagabaka, what apt does, however is use semaphores. so as to prevent bad things from happening. so until apt get install terminates you cannot use a second apt-get install. so to do what you are suggesting you would have to modify the sourcecode. and be very careful while doing so
[06:34] <eggs> depth says 24
[06:34] <xtknight> how come Ctrl Alt - and + don't work in ubuntu anymore?  i used to be able to switch thru all my resolutions in linux.  not sure that i ever have been able to in ubuntu
[06:34] <hagabaka> i just thought it would be an improvement. not interested in applying that myself, since my connection is pretty fast
[06:35] <Naurd> it is in the "Screen" section
[06:35] <shatrat> eggs, thats the color bits, thats fine.
[06:35] <facugaich> xtknight, what version? It works here on dapper. (Thanks for the tip btw)
[06:35] <Naurd> 24, should be ok
[06:35] <hagabaka> i mean, it would be an improvement to be built in to apt itself, but using a script would have a problem like you said, and doesn't help in all cases
[06:35] <xtknight> facugaich: edgy, xorg 7.1.1
[06:35] <eggs> k here we go
[06:35] <eggs> brb
[06:36] <shatrat> there goes some very brave eggs
[06:36] <Naurd> :)
[06:37] <RancidLM> hey all i just got 2 monitors running on this pc with twin view every thing works except once i log into GDM.. my Xsession switches me back to using one monitor
[06:37] <RancidLM> is there a way to fix this?
[06:37] <brokenegg> can anyone help me, I cannot get past login, system jsut hangs with a brown screen, just before usplash
[06:38] <juano__> brokenegg: can you enter gnome failsafe?
[06:38] <Naurd> RancidLM : you have to enable Xinerama in xorg or press the function key that change the monitor setting on your laptop (if it is a laptop)
[06:38] <FluxD> Hi how do I allow udp and tcp ports in firestarter?
[06:38] <brokenegg> juano_:no
[06:39] <juano__> brokenegg: same brown screen?
[06:39] <brokenegg> yes
[06:39] <juano__> brokenegg: how about getting to a terminal?
[06:39] <brokenegg> yes
[06:39] <juano__> brokenegg: seems your gnome settings are messed up
[06:39] <eggs> oh my
[06:39] <eggs> did i just see what i think i saw ?
[06:39] <Naurd> brokenegg : your window manager is not loading...
[06:39] <brokenegg> how do I fix> I have tried dpkg-reconfigure
[06:39] <RancidLM> Naurd: i have twinview enabled and both displays come up for gdm but it goes back to a single display when gnome loads
[06:40] <brokenegg> naurd, nautalis is the problem you think?
[06:40] <Naurd> oh, that is another story...  is it a laptop?
[06:40] <Naurd> eggs:  So?  it worked?
[06:40] <FluxD> Hi how do I allow udp and tcp ports in firestarter?
[06:40] <juano__> brokenegg: you can try a sudo mv ~/.gnome ~/gnome.back , this will move temporarily your gnome settings to a backup file and make new ones to boot
[06:40] <eggs> i saw nvidia flash up !!!
[06:40] <eggs> when i restarted x
[06:41] <eggs> oh my im sooooo excited !!!!
[06:41] <shatrat> eggs, glxinfo|grep rendering
[06:41] <eggs> what should i see?
[06:41] <shatrat> Yes
[06:41] <Naurd> great! now you can try some other resolution using the "preferences" tool for the resolution and see what is available
[06:41] <juano__> brokenegg: to get them back in case it doesnt work just do invert , sudo mv ~/.gnome.back ~/.gnome
[06:42] <brokenegg> it didn't work
[06:42] <eggs> shatrat: what should i see ?
[06:42] <juano__> brokenegg: mm , how about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[06:42] <shatrat> eggs, if you do glxinfo|grep rendering you should see "direct rendering: yes"
[06:42] <KDan> where can i select sawfish as my default wm in ubuntu edgy?
[06:42] <juano__> brokenegg: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[06:42] <eggs> it says i am missing
[06:42] <shatrat> KDan, from the login screen, lower left
[06:42] <KDan> (selecting it at login time means gnome is not loaded)
[06:43] <KDan> (so all i get is a virtual desktop applet and nothing else)
[06:43] <eggs> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:43] <Naurd> brokenegg : have you looked in your xsession error files in your home folder?
[06:43] <shatrat> eggs, thats odd...
[06:43] <damian_> I'm looking for an easy way to add more screen resolutions, any help?
[06:43] <brokenegg> juano_, that used to do the trick, it isn't working this time, also, it won't complete the reconfigure this time
[06:43] <juano__> eggs: type glxgears to see if they move fast
[06:43] <KDan> shatrat: as per above, that doesn't work
[06:43] <brokenegg> naurd, what is the name of the file?
[06:43] <KDan> shatrat: gnome doesn't get loaded so i get a sawfish-driven but completely empty desktop
[06:43] <Naurd> eggs : Have you loaded the "dri" driver and glx in your xorg.conf file?
[06:44] <shatrat> KDan, no idea then.
[06:44] <nothlit> glxgears don't move faster if its accelerated, they just render faster
[06:44] <juano__> eggs: if they dont i would consider changing Driver "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[06:44] <damian_> I'm looking for an easy way to add more screen resolutions, any help?
[06:44] <Naurd> brokenegg : just a sec
[06:44] <FluxD> Hi how do I allow udp and tcp ports in firestarter?
[06:44] <shatrat> damian_, just add them to the modes lines at the screen section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:44] <brokenegg> naurd, ok
[06:45] <Naurd> brokenegg : .xsession-errors
[06:45] <eggs> lemme check if dri is there
[06:46] <Naurd> brokenegg : notice the "." that starts the name...  this is a hidden file
[06:46] <eggs> both glx and dri are there in my xorg.conf
[06:46] <damian_> shatrat, do I have to reboot after that, or not?
[06:46] <brokenegg> naurd, i understand hidden files
[06:46] <brokenegg> got it up now, reading it
[06:46] <Naurd> eggs : ok, hmmm, time for google then...
[06:47] <Naurd> eggs: maybe there is a missing option when loading the nvidia driver in the xorg.conf file...
[06:47] <shatrat> damian_, just ctrl alt backspace to restart X
[06:47] <eggs> what should i google for ?
[06:47] <eggs> i am about to go to bed
[06:47] <eggs> its almost 1am here
[06:47] <shatrat> eggs, well, youre closer than you were yesterday
[06:47] <Naurd> eggs : nvidia xorg.conf option
[06:48] <brokenegg> um, i wish i could post that
[06:48] <eggs> yes my persiverance is paying off :p
[06:48] <shifty> [13:46]  <shifty> this guys thinks he's cute
[06:48] <shifty> [13:46]  <shifty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY8Wi7XRXCA
[06:48] <cafuego_> if not your spelling skills
[06:48] <brokenegg> I could try a line by line, it's about 8 lines
[06:48] <eggs> ha!
[06:48] <Naurd> brokenegg : just try to look for any error loading files (like libraries...)
[06:49] <damian_> shatrat, it didn't do the trick :(
[06:49] <eggs> so i cant spell but i will no longer be a slave to windows
[06:49] <nothlit> !offtopic | shifty
[06:49] <ubotu> shifty: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:49] <brokenegg> everything in the file would be an error?
[06:49] <eggs> alright ima reboot to make sure i get this isnt a dream then go to bed
[06:49] <brokenegg> everything looks fine untill it notes I killed x
[06:49] <eggs> thank you very much Naurd and shatrat
[06:49] <Naurd> brokenegg : no, not supposed to, most is info
[06:49] <eggs> you guys are my new found hero's
[06:50] <Naurd> eggs: :)
[06:50] <Naurd> brokeneggs : ok
[06:50] <Naurd> brokeneggs: have you tried loggin in with "root" or any other user?
[06:51] <brokenegg> I have no other user, and I cannot login with root
[06:52] <codi> how can i use paths with spaces in them?
[06:52] <brokenegg> the password is different than the only password I have ever used for this somp
[06:52] <brokenegg> used or set
[06:52] <Naurd> from tty1, log in with your user , then type "sudo bash"
[06:53] <brokenegg> ok
[06:53] <timfrost> codi, use '\' to escape the spaces, or put the whole PATH assignment in single quotes
[06:53] <Naurd> brokenegg : you will then have a shell with root
[06:54] <brokenegg> lI have the shell with root
[06:54] <Naurd> now you can set a password for root, or create a new user from the command line
[06:54] <brokenegg> how do I create a new user??
[06:54] <Naurd> just a sec...
[06:55] <juano> brokenegg: useradd  /  adduser
[06:55] <juano> !useradd
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about useradd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <Naurd> useradd
[06:55] <juano> !adduser
[06:55] <ubotu> To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo
[06:55] <Naurd> brokenegg : "useradd joe"
[06:56] <Naurd> brokenegg "su joe"
[06:56] <Naurd> brokenegg : "passwd" (set the password for that user...
[06:57] <Naurd> oh, you can set the password with useradd with the -p option
[06:57] <Naurd> brokenegg: look at "man useradd" for full help
[06:58] <Zubzodak> Trying to get a Transcend Storejet external USB hard-drive to work on Ubuntu -- has anyone worked one of these on Edgy, and if so, please msg me and tell me how:- ), because this is killing me ... now its finally showing up as /dev/sdc , but its still refusing to mount ...
[06:58] <Naurd> brokenegg : so, it is working?
[06:58] <brokenegg> um, trying to set password
[06:58] <sparr> is there a way to use wildcards with apt-get and have it pick (at random, i dont care how) between conflicting matches?
[07:00] <Naurd> brokenegg : it is asking you the current password?
[07:00] <brokenegg> it is asking me for the new password, but I never set one
[07:00] <Zoss> How do I reinstall GRUB after I installed Windows?
[07:00] <Naurd> deluser joe
[07:01] <Naurd> adduser joe -p password
[07:01] <EchoBinary> how can i creade a new hard drive in /dev? i need to make a /dev/hde1 so i can mount a new PATA drive
[07:01] <Zoss> Does anyone know how to reinstall grub?
[07:02] <Zoss> Anyone?
[07:02] <timfrost> !grub | Zoss
[07:02] <ubotu> Zoss: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:02] <juano> brokenegg: sudo adduser $username -p $password
[07:02] <EchoBinary> how can i creade a new hard drive in /dev? i need to make a /dev/hde1 so i can mount a new PATA drive - it is on a controller card
[07:02] <shatrat> Zoss, grub-install I believe
[07:03] <old-monk> EchoBinary: ubuntu used udev so there's no need to create /dev nodes, just connect the harddrive and /dev/hde will be created
[07:03] <juano> Zoss: yes
[07:03] <Naurd> brokenegg : once created, try log in to see of the gnome window manager is loading...
[07:03] <EchoBinary> did that - no dice
[07:03] <juano> Zoss: you overrided with windows ntldr
[07:03] <codi> how can i change to a custom display resolution in gnome?
[07:03] <Zoss> juano: Yes
[07:03] <juano> Zoss: ok
[07:03] <brokenegg> hang on -p is not working
[07:03] <juano> Zoss:1) boot with livecd
[07:03] <shatrat> !resolution|codi
[07:03] <ubotu> codi: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:03] <Zoss> juano: I'm on it atm
[07:03] <old-monk> EchoBinary: is the ide card supported?
[07:04] <EchoBinary> aye
[07:04] <juano> Zoss: 2) mount your root partition, first sudo mkdir /mnt/rootp
[07:04] <EchoBinary> its a promise pata controller
[07:04] <Naurd> just a sec
[07:04] <BelialMkII> If i have a corrupted hardrive, how can i stop the live CD looking for swap partitions, Helping a friend over the phone, so step by step would be great
[07:04] <Zoss> juano: Err...english?
[07:04] <juano> Zoss: then sudo mount /dev/hdX# /mnt/rootp
[07:05] <old-monk> EchoBinary: might show up as a /dev/sd*
[07:05] <Zoss> juano: I don't know what your talking about, i'm kinda new to linux
[07:05] <juano> Zoss: your root partition is where you installed ubuntu
[07:05] <juano> Zoss: open gparted and see what partition your ubuntu is on
[07:05] <Zoss> juano: ...Is there any way how to find out or do i have to use the installer to find out
[07:05] <Zoss> juano: where would i find that
[07:05] <juano> Zoss: alt + F2 , type gparted
[07:05] <Zoss> juano: Kk sec
[07:06] <juano> Zoss: see where your ubuntu partition is
[07:06] <Zoss> Well it says run app
[07:06] <brokenegg> the password option is just not working??
[07:06] <Zoss> juano: Now what? Alt f2...now itsays run app
[07:06] <juano> Zoss: yes , type gparted
[07:06] <juano> Zoss: then enter
[07:06] <Zoss> juano: Soz i'm a bit thick
[07:07] <Naurd> don't know where I saw that -p option... sorry...
[07:07] <Naurd> just a sec
[07:07] <juano> Zoss: are you inside gparted?
[07:07] <Zoss> juano: I need root privalages
[07:07] <EchoBinary> LOL
[07:07] <EchoBinary> my mistake
[07:07] <EchoBinary> it was hdd
[07:07] <EchoBinary> <-- DUH!
[07:07] <Naurd> oups, the -p works with usermod (to modify the user)
[07:07] <juano> Zoss: alt + F2 , gnome-terminal , enter
[07:07] <Zoss> juano: No, it says I need root privliages
[07:07] <nothlit> juano, gksudo gparted
[07:07] <Zoss> juano: Kk
[07:08] <Naurd> so ... adduser joe
[07:08] <EchoBinary> thanks old-monk :)
[07:08] <Zoss> juano: It's up
[07:08] <nothlit> juano, just launch gksudo gparted in the runto dialog, don't need an x terminal :P
[07:08] <old-monk> EchoBinary: np
[07:08] <juano> Zoss: ok , now check to see what partition your in
[07:08] <Naurd> usermod joe -p $password
[07:08] <juano> nothlit: yep, right, forgot that one :)
[07:08] <Zoss> juano: ...So now what.
[07:08] <juano> Zoss: check to see what partition your ubuntu is on, it should be a ext3 filesystem
[07:09] <juano> Zoss: should be dev/hd something
[07:09] <Zoss> juano: I used the gnome-terminal....I don't know where to go from there...
[07:09] <Naurd> that would be usermod -p password joe
[07:09] <juano> Zoss: do this:
[07:09] <juano> Zoss: alt + F2
[07:09] <juano> Zoss: gksudo gparted, ENTER
[07:10] <codi> !fonts
[07:10] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:10] <juano> Zoss: you in gparted?
[07:10] <Zoss> juano: Scanning..
[07:10] <Zoss> juano: Ok i'm in
[07:10] <juano> Zoss: once your in, check to see what partition your ubuntu is on
[07:11] <Zoss> juano: dev/sda2 is ext3 and
[07:11] <RudyValencia> Hello.
[07:11] <Zoss> juano: sda3 is my swap
[07:11] <juano> Zoss: ok then
[07:11] <juano> Zoss: close gparted
[07:11] <RudyValencia> I'm installing Ubuntu 6.06 on my computer. Will it boot from a partition that starts after cylinder 1024?
[07:11] <juano> Zoss: now do these commands for me
[07:11] <Zoss> juano: Where
[07:11] <keeganX> Hi everyone I installed beryl, but when I start it I get no windows, but I get all the effects of beryl.  This what i I get when I use it in the terminal http://pastebin.com/870030
[07:11] <Naurd> brokenegg : ? it is done?
[07:12] <juano> Zoss:alt + F2, type gnome-terminal, ENTER, then do this in the terminal: sudo mkdir /mnt/myhdd
[07:12] <minerale> how do I add an existing user to an existing group ?
[07:12] <brokenegg> nope
[07:12] <brokenegg> -p is not working
[07:12] <brokenegg> adduser (name) -p (password) is not working
[07:12] <apmyp> who knows why vmware always ask for running vmware-config.pl?
[07:12] <Zoss> junao: Done
[07:12] <Naurd> brokenegg : this option works with usermod not adduser
[07:13] <brokenegg> k
[07:13] <Zoss> juano: Done*
[07:13] <juano> brokenegg: add it through GUI then , System ---Z preferences ---> users and groups
[07:13] <apmyp> !vmware
[07:13] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[07:13] <Flannel> minerale: usermod, with the -aG
[07:13] <brokenegg> no gui
[07:13] <Naurd> brokenegg : usermod -p pass joe
[07:13] <brokenegg> system hang
[07:13] <juano> Zoss: now do this, sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/myhdd
[07:13] <BelialMkII> If i have a corrupted hardrive, how can i stop the live CD looking for swap partitions, Helping a friend over the phone, so step by step would be great
[07:13] <Flannel> keeganX: #ubuntu-xgl for beryl support
[07:13] <Zoss> juano: Done.
[07:14] <Naurd> as root of course
[07:14] <Zoss> juano: Brb..
[07:14] <juano> Zoss: now do this, ls /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub
[07:14] <highdoses> What kind of programmer would I need to develop a indepent robust chat protocol program???
[07:14] <shatrat> highdoses, the kind that can download jabber?
[07:15] <shifty> lol
[07:15] <shatrat> you can run your own servers for the jabber protocol, if you want to run your own chat
[07:15] <RudyValencia> Is it possible to install Ubuntu in a partition that starts after cyl. 1024?
[07:16] <shatrat> RudyValencia, as long as your BIOS is cool with it
[07:16] <Naurd> brokenegg : have you set the password on "joe"
[07:16] <RudyValencia> My computer was made in 2003 or so.
[07:16] <brokenegg> i set it as you said to, but it wilnot allow it to login
[07:16] <brokenegg> incorrect
[07:16] <RudyValencia> I'm sure my BIOS can boot it.
[07:16] <juano> brokenegg: sudo adduser $username -p $password
[07:17] <juano> brokenegg: you got to add him to a group also
[07:17] <RudyValencia> I was worried because PartitionMagic says "This partiton begins past the 1024 cylinder boundary and will not be bootable."
[07:17] <Naurd> brokenegg : to set the password, user "usermod -p pass joe"...
[07:17] <shatrat> RudyValencia, I think you should be ok.
[07:17] <Naurd> brokenegg : not adduser...
[07:17] <RudyValencia> My BIOS is fairly recent anyway.
[07:17] <RudyValencia> It supports my 160GB HD np.
[07:17] <Naurd> brokenegg : type : user  "usermod -p pass joe"
[07:18] <Naurd> geee again...  use "usermod -p pass joe"...  typo error...
[07:18] <Zoss> juano: Back
[07:18] <juano> Zoss: ok
[07:18] <Zoss> juano: Done
[07:18] <juano> Zoss: try a ls /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub
[07:19] <Zoss> juano: Done.
[07:19] <juano> Zoss: ok, does it show some kernel files ?
[07:19] <Naurd> brokenegg : this will set the password to your joe user...
[07:19] <Zoss> juano: default        fat_stage1_5  menu.lst~          stage1
[07:19] <Zoss> device.map     jfs_stage1_5  minix_stage1_5     stage2
[07:19] <Zoss> e2fs_stage1_5  menu.lst      reiserfs_stage1_5  xfs_stage1_5
[07:19] <Naurd> then you should be able to login
[07:19] <brokenegg> ok
[07:19] <juano> Zoss: ok
[07:19] <Zoss> juano: whatever that is.
[07:19] <Zoss> juano: =P
[07:20] <Zoss> juano: So..
[07:20] <juano> Zoss: try this now, grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/myhdd /dev/sda
[07:20] <juano> Zoss: try this now, sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/myhdd /dev/sda
[07:20] <brokenegg> i swear to you, I am doing this as root "usermod -p password username"
[07:20] <brokenegg> no error is returned
[07:20] <juano> Zoss: dont forget the sudo
[07:20] <brokenegg> but I cannot login with gnome
[07:20] <Naurd> and the password is not recognized?
[07:20] <brokenegg> correct
[07:21] <Zoss> juano: Due to a bug in xfs_freeze, the following command might produce a segmentation
[07:21] <Zoss> fault when /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub is not in an XFS filesystem. This error is harmless and
[07:21] <Zoss> can be ignored.
[07:21] <Zoss> xfs_freeze: specified file ["/mnt/myhdd/boot/grub"]  is not on an XFS filesystem
[07:21] <Zoss> Installation finished. No error reported.
[07:21] <Zoss> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub/device.map.
[07:21] <Zoss> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[07:21] <Zoss> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[07:21] <Zoss> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[07:21] <Zoss> juano: ...? Err What just happened?
[07:21] <juano> Zoss: you installed grub
[07:22] <Lynoure> brokenegg: are you giving usermod the encrypted password?
[07:22] <Zoss> juano: So just reboot and it's back?
[07:22] <juano> Zoss: now we need to check something
[07:22] <Zoss> juano: Kk, how'd you know all that?
[07:22] <User2323> Hello, I have a dell laptop and hibernation was working fine in dapper, I upgraded to edgy and now it's broken...after it failed once, swap has been disabled...what should I do?
[07:22] <juano> !paste | Zoss
[07:22] <ubotu> Zoss: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:22] <brokenegg> lynoure, not that I know of?
[07:22] <Naurd> ok, then "usermod -uid 1100  joe"
[07:22] <juano> Zoss: you need to use pastebin to paste things
[07:22] <Lynoure> brokenegg: if not, choose again, crypt it and try again. Why usermod -p anyway instead of passwd?
[07:22] <Zoss> Oh...Soz lol
[07:22] <Zoss> juano: Sorry, didn't know.
[07:22] <odinriko> Any leads on how to make a 4 button mouse work properly?  I followed This http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=361478&postcount=30 and now my fourth mouse button preforms the same functions as left click
[07:22] <Naurd> i think that users with uid lower that 1000 cannot login in X
[07:23] <Zoss> juano: Carry on.
[07:23] <juano> Zoss: nevermind :) , well now you can try this, alt + F2 , then type gksudo gedit /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub/menu.list
[07:23] <juano> Zoss: nevermind :) , well now you can try this, alt + F2 , then type gksudo gedit /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:23] <brokenegg> lets do this...step to step, loged in as root...create a new user? (I have no idea what went wrong)
[07:23] <Lynoure> brokenegg: usermod -p  wants the encrypted password (see man usermod)
[07:23] <juano> Zoss: sorry without the i
[07:23] <Naurd> brokeneg : to test the password, go in "tty2" and test the login there...
[07:23] <Zoss> juano: ?
[07:24] <juano> Zoss: nevermind :) , well now you can try this, alt + F2 , then type gksudo gedit /mnt/myhdd/boot/grub/menu.lst   ---> try this
[07:24] <mulder_> what's a quick way to get qos going using a gu tool?
[07:24] <mulder_> gui
[07:24] <brokenegg> no good in tty2
[07:24] <juano> Zoss: a file is going to open
[07:24] <timfrost> brokenegg: Naurd: the -p takes a *pre-encrypted* value.  Far safer to use the passwd command (passwd joe), and manually type the password (twice)
[07:24] <juano> Zoss: go to the bottom of that file
[07:24] <Zoss> juano: k
[07:25] <juano> Zoss: COPY the contents of the file and paste it using pastebin and pass me the url
[07:25] <Zoss> juano: Where are you getting this? Or just do you know?
[07:25] <Naurd> timfrost : passwd ask for the current password, but there is none, and this is where we are stuck
[07:25] <Zoss> juano: The whole thing?
[07:25] <juano> !paste | Zoss:
[07:25] <ubotu> Zoss:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:25] <juano> Zoss: yes
[07:25] <brokenegg> k
[07:25] <timfrost> Naurd: not if *root* runs the command
[07:25] <rico> hi room nayone from pampanga?
[07:25] <Naurd> oh, did not know about that one
[07:25] <juano> Zoss: it happened to me soem times, thats how i know :)
[07:25] <blackduck3> hi
[07:25] <nighthawk02> !busybox
[07:25] <ubotu> busybox: Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 283 kB, installed size 516 kB
[07:25] <Jambon> does anyone know how to use gwget as a download manager? the plugin wont' work with firefox 2.0
[07:26] <Zoss> juano: Ah. So...how did you find out? Website?
[07:26] <Naurd> thanks!
[07:26] <Zoss> juano: I might need to use it again.
[07:26] <juano> Zoss: help from genii a user here
[07:26] <juano> Zoss: you paste it yet ?
[07:26] <Naurd> brokenegg : did you follow up ?
[07:26] <Zoss> juano: Says i'm spamming the pastebin
[07:27] <brokenegg> i need a home directory
[07:27] <juano> Zoss: lol, try again
[07:27] <brokenegg> it did not create one
[07:27] <Zoss> juano: Ok..
[07:27] <juano> Zoss: type your name in the name box also
[07:27] <juano> Zoss: pass me the url after you paste
[07:27] <Zoss> juano: Still didn't let me!
[07:27] <juano> Zoss: still with the file open? lets do it manually
[07:28] <Zoss> juano: Yes.
[07:28] <blackduck3> Hello can anyone/anybody help me is cdmarkus still on ?
[07:28] <Naurd> try as root " su joe" to see if it will be created
[07:28] <juano> Zoss: ok, go to the bottom of the file
[07:28] <brokenegg> is there a way to get it to creat the home directory automatically?
[07:28] <Zoss> juano: Yep
[07:28] <juano> Zoss: youll see it sais like 3 times Ubuntu and some other stuff
[07:28] <enat> ah here's a really strange problem i just ran accross; when i start xmms, my mouse stops responding
[07:29] <Flannel> brokenegg: -m flag (man useradd for all your options)
[07:29] <enat> once i close xmms, it responds again
[07:29] <enat> :S
[07:29] <User2323> Hello, I have a dell laptop and hibernation was working fine in dapper, I upgraded to edgy and now it's broken...after it failed once, swap has been disabled...what should I do?
[07:29] <enat> any idea as to wtf's up with that?
[07:29] <juano> Zoss: title    Ubuntu   , etc etc
[07:29] <Zoss> juano: ...Err not what I see
[07:29] <enat> (usb mouse)
[07:29] <juano> Zoss: try pasting it in pastebin
[07:29] <Naurd> brokenegg : maybe we have to add joe to the users group "usermod -G users joe"
[07:29] <blackduck3> Anybody help me please ?
[07:29] <juano> !paste | Zoss
[07:29] <ubotu> Zoss: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:29] <timfrost> brokenegg: in a terminal (as root): 'cp -r /etc/skel /home/joe;chown -R joe /home/joe' will set up the home directory. the option '-m' to useradd tels it to aut-create the directory
[07:29] <nayyares> my mail server is running behid proxy and proxy server is redirecting port 25 traffic to a local machine, running postfix. now i wan to run some virus scan/anti virus on proxy server, so that i can block the incomming virus to mail server, any idea?
[07:30] <Zoss> juano: Still not letting me
[07:30] <Zoss> juano: Well i scrolled up a little and i found it
[07:30] <juano> Zoss: ok
[07:30] <Zoss> juano: Like this? title		Ubuntu, memtest86+
[07:30] <Zoss> root		(hd0,1)
[07:30] <Zoss> kernel		/boot/memtest86+.bin
[07:30] <Zoss> boot
[07:30] <Naurd> brokenegg : i just did a "adduser joe" on my system, and everything was created and even asked me the password...
[07:31] <juano> Zoss: you see where it sais root (hd etc
[07:31] <Zoss> juano: Yes...
[07:31] <Naurd> brokenegg : which version of ubuntu do you use
[07:31] <juano> Zoss: what does it say ? root what ?
[07:31] <juano> Zoss: root (hd0,1) ?
[07:31] <Zoss> juano: Which part? I got like 5 ubuntus
[07:31] <brokenegg> sucks
[07:32] <brokenegg> ok, I need to crash
[07:32] <brokenegg> thanks for your help folks
[07:32] <juano> Zoss: every root line below the Ubuntu line
[07:32] <Naurd> bye
[07:32] <enat> hi, i've got a usb mouse and when i open xmms it stops responding - it goes back to normal when xmms is closed
[07:32] <Zoss> juano: Oh.
[07:32] <brokenegg> perhaps it will login for my normal user magically while I sleep
[07:32] <Zoss> juano: ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[07:32] <Zoss> # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
[07:32] <Zoss> # ones.
[07:32] <Zoss> title		Other operating systems:
[07:32] <Zoss> root
[07:32] <Zoss> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[07:32] <brokenegg> thanks again
[07:32] <Zoss> # on /dev/sda1
[07:32] <codi> is there some trick to speeding up ubuntu
[07:32] <Zoss> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[07:32] <Zoss> root		(hd0,0)
[07:32] <Zoss> savedefault
[07:32] <Zoss> makeactive
[07:32] <Zoss> chainloader	+1
[07:32] <codi> it seems sluggish compared to windows
[07:32] <Madpilot> Zoss, pastebin!!
[07:33] <codi> which i know sounds crazy
[07:33] <juano> Zoss: use pastebin
[07:33] <Zoss> Madpilot: I can't.
[07:33] <Zoss> juano: I CAN"T DAMNIT
[07:33] <juano> Zoss: ok thats fine, but im talking somewhere upper
[07:33] <Zoss> juano: Upper?
[07:33] <codi> it seems it's the graphics that are sluggish, processing seems fine
[07:33] <enat> hi, i've got a usb mouse and when i open xmms it stops responding - it goes back to normal when xmms is closed
[07:33] <Madpilot> Zoss, you can get onto IRC, but you can't pastebin something?
[07:33] <Zoss> Madpilot: Yes.
[07:33] <juano> Zoss: only the line that sais root (hd...) under Ubuntu line
[07:33] <codi> do i need special display drivers for my nvidia card or anything?
[07:34] <blackduck3> hi
[07:34] <enat> hasn't anybody else experienced this?
[07:34] <enat> :S
[07:34] <Zoss> Madpilot: You appear to be spamming the pastebin. I hate spammers so I won't let you.
[07:34] <juano> Zoss: what does that say? root (hd0,1) ???
[07:34] <enat> andddddd it only happens when xmms is started by my user
[07:34] <Zoss> juano: root		(hd0,0)
[07:34] <enat> if i execute xmms as root it stays fine
[07:34] <Zoss> juano: For Xp
[07:34] <timfrost> Zoss, what pastebin are you trying to use?
[07:34] <juano> Zoss: no not that one, the one upper , before that
[07:34] <Zoss> timfrost: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:35] <juano> Zoss: scroll up
[07:35] <Zoss> juano: root		(hd0,1)
[07:35] <juano> Zoss: ok good
[07:35] <juano> Zoss: close that file
[07:35] <juano> Zoss: and reboot the machine, try entering ubuntu now from HDD
[07:35] <blackduck3> hi
[07:35] <juano> Zoss: if it doesnt work come back here and tell me what happened
[07:35] <Zoss> juano: Ok..Thanks, do you know where I can get this info later? I might need it again.
[07:36] <juano> !grub | Zoss
[07:36] <ubotu> Zoss: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:36] <juano> Zoss: that COULD be helpful, not to helful though
[07:36] <juano> Zoss: that COULD be helpful, not to helpful though
[07:36] <juano> Zoss: ok try rebooting now
[07:36] <Zoss> juano: Yea...I don't understand a single word of it.
[07:36] <Zoss> juano: Ok
[07:38] <KrisWood> Hi everyone. I'm trying to get my wife's PS2 gameshark to work with my ubuntu firewall. Researching on the net I found out that I need a DNS proxy to make this work. I did an apt-cache search on dns proxy and found several results. My question for you is, what is your favourite DNS proxy, and have any of you set up a PS2 game shark to do its updates through an ubuntu firewall?
[07:39] <GR33N3OX> hello
[07:39] <GR33N3OX> i need help with ubuntu
[07:39] <GR33N3OX> anyone?
[07:39] <shatrat> Just shoot, no need for a preamble
[07:39] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: can you be more specific?
[07:39] <juano> shatrat: lol
[07:39] <GR33N3OX> i got the ubuntu cd
[07:39] <GR33N3OX> and i wanna run it without installing on my xp system
[07:39] <GR33N3OX> what do i do
[07:39] <shatrat> Just reboot and run the LIveCD option
[07:40] <juano> yep
[07:40] <GR33N3OX> how do i run the livecd option.
[07:40] <GR33N3OX> what "option:
[07:40] <shatrat> there will be a menu, its foolproof
[07:40] <juano> first option that prompts, install or run ubuntu
[07:40] <shatrat> and it wont install anything unless you run the installation program, so you arent really in danger of hosing anything
[07:40] <juano> it only loads the OS into memory
[07:41] <juano> and you wont be able to save changes obviously if not using a HDD
[07:41] <GR33N3OX> okgood
[07:41] <minerale> I accidentally removed myself from all the groups and now can't play audio
[07:41] <KrisWood> Anyone know a good DNS proxy?
[07:41] <juano> minerale: add yourself back in
[07:41] <juano> !adduser | minerale
[07:41] <ubotu> minerale: To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo
[07:42] <minerale> juano: I did
[07:42] <GR33N3OX> can i run it via VMWare?
[07:42] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: Yes
[07:42] <shatrat> !bind|kriswood
[07:42] <ubotu> bind: Internet Domain Name Server. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:8.4.6-1 (edgy), package size 888 kB, installed size 2092 kB
[07:42] <minerale> juano: there were a lot more groups initially, now I only see one, group minerale, can you give me apaste for the `id` printout on a ubunut 1000user ?
[07:43] <juano> minerale: ok
[07:43] <KrisWood> I don't really want to deal with bind, it's so complicated. Do I need that for a proxy server to run?
[07:43] <KrisWood> !dns proxy
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns proxy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:43] <KrisWood> damn
[07:44] <minerale> kriswood: I use godaddy for all my dns needs
[07:44] <juano> minerale: sorry what you mean for an ID printout ?
[07:44] <minerale> juano, type `id` on a terminal
[07:44] <KrisWood> minerale: no this is for home networking, not for a domain name :) thanks though
[07:44] <timfrost> minerale:  groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy)29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),105(scanner),106(admin),1000
[07:44] <juano> minerale: uid=1000(juano) gid=1000(juano) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),114(admin),1000(juano)
[07:44] <minerale> ah, group audio,
[07:44] <liurd> hello, you guys.
[07:44] <minerale> thanks
[07:44] <KrisWood> !proxy
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proxy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <juano> minerale: 29 yea
[07:45] <juano> Zoss0: any luck?
[07:45] <Zoss0> juano: Yep, thanks alot.
[07:46] <juano> Zoss0: good :-)
[07:46] <juano__> Zoss0: ok gotta go
[07:46] <Zoss0> juano: U see, my windows just got infected so...I had enough of it.
[07:46] <biotrox> kriswood bind
[07:46] <juano__> Zoss0: yeah
[07:46] <Zoss0> juano__: K Bye!
[07:46] <juano__> Zoss0: read a lot of wiki
[07:46] <Zoss0> Wiki?
[07:46] <juano__> Zoss0: you can learn a lot from ubotu too
[07:47] <KrisWood> biotrox: I don't want to deal with configuring bind or dns of any sort for that matter, I just need to run a proxy server
[07:47] <Zoss0> juano__: =S Wiki. Idk lol
[07:47] <biotrox> yes i understand
[07:47] <juano__> Zoss0: lol, ok cya round!
[07:47] <shatrat> KrisWood, dont you have a router?
[07:47] <fotoflo__> hey, whats the VNC server in "system -> preferences -> remote desktop" called? and how do i restart it?
[07:47] <KrisWood> shatrat: My ubuntu computer IS my router
[07:47] <rfschmid> Hey, I just was trying to get XGL, Beryl working (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341149) and it worked for awhile, and now I messed something up. Is there a simple way for me to "start over" - ie remove xgl, beryl and all configuration files and try again?
[07:48] <biotrox> you just need Squid for the proxy, bind + caching-nameserver for DNS caching no need to configure just install it and make sure the bind services start and you've got dns caching + proxy
[07:48] <sivik> bind is offically very complicated to set up
[07:48] <shatrat> rfschmid, apt get remove --purge beryl xserver-xgl and so forth
[07:49] <nothlit> rfschmid, yes, its called format and reinstall
[07:49] <rfschmid> I tried that, then I reinstalled them and had the same problem (IE, no window effects and stuff)
[07:49] <nothlit> rfschmid, it should be very easy with a home partition
[07:49] <rfschmid> nothlit: That's not really worth the trouble for wobbly windows ;)
[07:49] <KrisWood> biotrox: Ok I'll try squid thanks
[07:49] <shatrat> rfschmid, well, starting over isnt the solution.  If the problem was no window borders you need to run emerald --replace
[07:49] <nothlit> rfschmid, otherwise, follow shatrat and backtrack through your howto to remove the startxgl script and session file
[07:50] <nothlit> and if emerald didn't show up you need ARGBGLXVisuals
[07:50] <rfschmid> nothlit: shatrat?
[07:50] <nothlit> rfschmid, what shatrat said
[07:51] <rfschmid> Oh, sorry. I did do that, purging all the packages I installed, but then I re installed them all and it still acted the same.
[07:52] <KrisWood> While we're on the subject of home networking / routing, does anyone know an easy method of setting bandwidth limits on specific ports, or ensuring that other ports always get a certain amount of the bandwidth?
[07:52] <KrisWood> I'm using firestarter for my firewall and it doesn't do that at all
[07:52] <nothlit> rfschmid, did you backtrack through the howto and remove the files you created?
[07:52] <nothlit> rfschmid, if you need more help you need to go to #ubuntu-xgl or #beryl, and provide them with error messages and config files
[07:52] <rfschmid> nothlit: I didn't remove the files I created, because I figured those hadn't changed. I'll do that.
[07:53] <rfschmid> nothlit: There are no error messages, but I'll try this and then ask there for more help.
[07:53] <rfschmid> Thanks.
[07:53] <KrisWood> Ok I got squid installed but it doesn't look like it does DNS proxy, only HTTP proxy...
[07:53] <nothlit> rfschmid, they'll tell you how to get / locate error messages, hopefully
[07:53] <KrisWood> I don't heed an HTTP proxy server >.<
[07:54] <cafuego_> KrisWood: `dnsproxy' is a package I think. if not, bind9 proxies just fine.
[07:54] <GR33N3OX> which option do i pick ..when i 1st start Ubuntu..if i dont wanna install it to system?
[07:54] <cafuego_> !info dnsmasq
[07:54] <ubotu> dnsmasq: A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.33-1 (edgy), package size 174 kB, installed size 580 kB
[07:55] <KrisWood> I tried dnsmasq and it refused to start because the socket was already taken
[07:55] <GR33N3OX> someone please answer my quesition
[07:55] <cafuego_> GR33N3OX: just start from the cd
[07:56] <cafuego_> prolly the first option
[07:56] <riotkittie> GR33N3OX: the first option
[07:56] <KrisWood> I'm sorry GR33N3OX it's literally been a year or two since I installed ubuntu :( and I didn't use the live CD to do it hehe
[07:56] <cafuego_> KrisWood: That would mean somehting else is running either as dhcp server OR as dns server.
[07:56] <KrisWood> hmmm bind does seem to be running
[07:56] <KrisWood> dunno if it's properly configured
[07:57] <cafuego_> KrisWood: Just set forwarders {} in the named.conf.somehting file.
[07:57] <cafuego_> that'll make it proxy
[07:57] <riotkittie> GR33N3OX: start/install. starting gives you the /option/ to install as an icon on the ubuntu desktop
[07:57] <KrisWood> cafuego: I have no idea what you are talking about :(
[07:57] <cafuego_> KrisWood: cd /etc/bind
[07:57] <KrisWood> yeah I get that part
[07:57] <KrisWood> forwarders though?
[07:57] <cafuego_> KrisWood: One of the cfg files has a forwarders section
[07:57] <cafuego_> find it
[07:58] <cafuego_> add upstream DNS server IPs
[07:58] <KrisWood> one sec, gedit is being slow
[07:58] <mena> i opened my moniture and plugin option then i found the detected vga card is i 810 then i press configure then i found its telling me the dected hrdware is intel 915 so what is wrong here
[07:58] <KrisWood> ok looking now
[07:59] <cafuego_> named.conf.options probably
[07:59] <KrisWood> ok
[07:59] <mena> any idea
[07:59] <rfschmid> join #ubuntu-xgl
[07:59] <cafuego_> in that section add your upstream DNS server IP addresses. One per line, end line with semicolon.
[07:59] <mena> okay i will
[08:00] <KrisWood> got it
[08:00] <rfschmid> woops
[08:00] <KrisWood> no forwarders there tho
[08:00] <cafuego_> KrisWood: No, you'll need to add them.
[08:00] <KrisWood> >.<
[08:00] <KrisWood> ok
[08:00] <cafuego_> Typically you'd put the DNS servers your IP gave you.
[08:01] <GR33N3OX> vmware is sweet. i can finally test vista =)
[08:01] <KrisWood> so I type forwarders { }
[08:01] <sparr> GR33N3OX: dont bother
[08:01] <RudyValencia> I can't save anything on my Windows partition.
[08:01] <Jowi> Dapper to Edgy upgrade using update-manager -c. it fails to install courier-authdaemon and says the package is in a very bad state. It is not possible to manually remove it in synaptic or with apt-get -f install. update-manager refuse to continue.
[08:01] <sparr> RudyValencia: then youll never get a virus!
[08:02] <riotkittie> RudyValencia: is your windows partition NTFS ?
[08:02] <RudyValencia> Well, it was created by Windows Setup... I guess it has to be.
[08:02] <riotkittie> !ntfs-3g | RudyValencia
[08:02] <ubotu> RudyValencia: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:02] <Alpha232> from the commandline how can i list all my installed packages?
[08:02] <KrisWood> Jowi: I had to update a python package (I forget which one) before I could do a synaptic upgrade from dapper to edgy
[08:02] <jion> what is the command to see all running proccess?
[08:02] <riotkittie> !fuse | RudyValencia
[08:02] <ubotu> RudyValencia: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:02] <pecisk> Alpha232: dpkg -l
[08:02] <KrisWood> Jowi: dunno if that haelps any
[08:02] <corevette> how do you make beryl manager only open up on xgl and not on my regular xserver?
[08:02] <RudyValencia> "very unsafe"?
[08:02] <RudyValencia> :(
[08:03] <Jowi> KrisWood, will look into it.
[08:03] <Flannel> corevette: #ubuntu-xgl for XGL/Beryl support, thanks
[08:03] <Alpha232> i somehow borked my apache and it's coredumping
[08:03] <darkdrag0n> !dri
[08:03] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[08:03] <sparr> Alpha232: dpkg -l
[08:03] <RudyValencia> Is there any common filesystem both can use?
[08:03] <KrisWood> Jowi: I just typed in the error I was getting to google and it came up relatively high on the list
[08:03] <blackduck3> trying to set up wireless connection to apple laptop G4 Powerbook, was speaking to cdmarcus and we used a heap of command lines. I was then told to restart computer, when I restarted the computer the wireless didn't work. I need to configure the wireless from here. How do I configure the wireless connection?
[08:03] <sparr> RudyValencia: fat32
[08:03] <Alpha232> thanks
[08:03] <KrisWood> Jowi: dunno if it's the same error though
[08:03] <darkdrag0n> anyone know how to get the DRI working under the latest proprietary ATI driver?
[08:03] <RudyValencia> hm, I have PartitionMagic.
[08:03] <riotkittie> RudyValencia: FAT32  ... if you can create a shared partition for data to share between the two
[08:03] <sparr> RudyValencia: windows is very bad at handling filesystems
[08:04] <GR33N3OX> is it possible to test vista via wmware?
[08:04] <GR33N3OX> vmware*
[08:04] <darkdrag0n> why would you want to?
[08:04] <RudyValencia> I'll reboot to my emergency bootCD and use PartitionMagic to convert it.
[08:04] <riotkittie> i hear there is a driver that will allow you to read/write to EXT3 from Windows but i am not familiar with it
[08:04] <onewheelskyward> GR33N3OX: using 6.0 beta you can.
[08:04] <riotkittie> RudyValencia: what are you converting ?
[08:04] <GR33N3OX> 6.0 beta?
[08:04] <Jowi> KrisWood, I can not install nor remove any packages as it is now.
[08:04] <RudyValencia> NTFS > FAT32
[08:05] <riotkittie> RudyValencia: you probably do not want to do that
[08:05] <blackduck3> How do i configure the wireless connection?
[08:05] <GR33N3OX> casue when i try to boot winxp on vmware..they want me to install it from scratch
[08:05] <KrisWood> Jowi: can you still use apt or dpkg?
[08:05] <RudyValencia> I can't use Ubuntu then.
[08:05] <RudyValencia> I
[08:05] <onewheelskyward> GR33N3OX: Yeah, vmware 6.0 beta has vista support.
[08:05] <riotkittie> FAT32 is slower, lacks the security features of NTFS and has file size limitations
[08:05] <RudyValencia> I was hoping that everything would work...
[08:05] <GR33N3OX> onewheelskyward, would i need to install it ..or would it be like a livecd?
[08:05] <KrisWood> EXT3 ftw! :D
[08:05] <blackduck3> I need help with my wireless connection
[08:05] <corevette> flannel...nobody ansswers in there
[08:06] <riotkittie> if you dont need the security, and arent storing 4+gb files...
[08:06] <Jowi> KrisWood, ...with errors. "dpkg: error processing courier-authdaemon (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[08:06] <Jowi>  reinstall it before attempting a removal."
[08:06] <riotkittie> brb
[08:06] <RudyValencia> I was hoping things would work out.
[08:06] <corevette> how do you make beryl manager only open up on xgl and not on my regular xserver?
[08:06] <blackduck3> Please help me configure my wireless connection
[08:06] <Flannel> corevette: try #xgl or #beryl then
[08:06] <RudyValencia> I guess I'll remove Ubuntu and put my NT bootsector back in.
[08:06] <KrisWood> Jowi: ouch that sounds serious, I'm afraid it's beyond my level of expertice, try it with a -f flag to force it maybe?
[08:06] <RudyValencia> -_-
[08:06] <blackduck3> I thought this was a help forum
[08:07] <corevette> its an ubuntu question flannel...not xgl or beryl
[08:07] <GR33N3OX> whats the best linux distro
[08:07] <Jowi> KrisWood, doesn't help I'm afraid
[08:07] <RudyValencia> I thought Ubuntu was gonna work.
[08:07] <corevette> flannel how do you have a startup program happen on only one specific session
[08:07] <blackduck3> Oh well, might go back to Windows XP then. Maybe Bill Gates can help me!
[08:07] <riotkittie> ntfs writing can be done
[08:08] <corevette> whats the problem blackduck3
[08:08] <KrisWood> cafuego: are you still there?
[08:08] <RudyValencia> but ubotu says it's not stable.
[08:08] <blackduck3> I need to configure my wireless connection
[08:08] <riotkittie> you just need to accept the possibility of data loss and have backed important things up.
[08:08] <corevette> what wireless card do you have blackduck3
[08:08] <sparr> RudyValencia: it isnt, and wont ever be until you convince microsoft to support linux
[08:08] <KrisWood> Writing to NTFS in anything but an NT based OS is risky
[08:08] <riotkittie> RudyValencia: this is the way that i see it, and i, am by no means, the voice of authority
[08:09] <RudyValencia> I have Fedora on a server, but that's different.
[08:09] <RudyValencia> I don't expect the server to need to use any other filesystem.
[08:09] <blackduck3> All of that part is done. I just need to get this computer to talk to my computer.
[08:09] <Flannel> RudyValencia: we have to reverse engineer the
[08:09] <sparr> i love how when linux and windows dont get along, but linux works with everything else and windows works with nothing else, people blame linux instead of windows
[08:09] <darkdrag0n> anyone know how to get DRI working in Edgy with the latest ATI proprietay drivers?
[08:09] <Flannel> RudyValencia: the NTFS filesystem, it's not easy, and like most stuff with MS, not simple, nor does it make a whole lot of sense often.
[08:10] <GR33N3OX> can linux run windows programs as well?
[08:10] <RudyValencia> Linux imo should've stayed a server OS
[08:10] <blackduck3> I have got 128 bit WEP as a security mode. Does this matter?
[08:10] <sparr> GR33N3OX: mostly, yes
[08:10] <GR33N3OX> and mac program as well?
[08:10] <shatrat> We really should have asked rudy guys
[08:10] <riotkittie> uh.
[08:10] <shatrat> lets pack it up and quit
[08:10] <KrisWood> sparr: yeah, the linux corporation needs to up it's espionage budget ;)
[08:10] <sparr> RudyValencia: "stayed"?  linux wasnt built to be a server OS, it was designed for desktops
[08:10] <RudyValencia> Samba works surprisingly well for being a "reverse-engineered" SMB implementation.
[08:10] <sparr> GR33N3OX: mostly no for mac
[08:10] <Flannel> RudyValencia: please stop trolling.  No amount of lamenting can change the facts about filesystems.
[08:10] <blackduck3> Do I need to put in IP addresses  order to set it up
[08:10] <RudyValencia> "trolling?"
[08:11] <GR33N3OX> will linux run windows liev messenger
[08:11] <KrisWood> I daresay SMB works better on linux heh
[08:11] <RudyValencia> ok fine be that way
[08:11] <blackduck3> Basically I need my laptop to connect to the internet.
[08:11] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: No but there's Gaim
[08:11] <GR33N3OX> er...
[08:11] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: It's kinda like trillian
[08:11] <GR33N3OX> how bout microsoft office?
[08:11] <sparr> GR33N3OX: kopete and gaim support msn messaging
[08:11] <riotkittie> RudyValencia: and ntfs-3g and fuse work quite well for a number of people. but because Microsoft will not release the specs for NTFS, nobody can swear the drivers that we have for it are perfert
[08:11] <darkdrag0n> why not just use OpenOffice?
[08:11] <blackduck3> corvette
[08:12] <sparr> GR33N3OX: microsoft office will run under Crossover, or you can use a free alternative like OpenOffice or KOffice
[08:12] <GR33N3OX> woah
[08:12] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: There is open office which is good enough for most people. If you absolutely need MS oiffice there's Crossover Office that runs windows programs on linux
[08:12] <GR33N3OX> the 2 most used program on my computer is not supported...
[08:12] <GR33N3OX> lol
[08:12] <riotkittie> /IF/ you back your data up, and are prepared to deal with the possibilty  of data loss...
[08:12] <GR33N3OX> i dont wanna change ..
[08:12] <LinTux> I have copied a DVD with Thoggen and it created a .ogg file, I now need to create an ISO from this, how do I do it?
[08:12] <KrisWood> Damn, sparr just beat me to it
[08:12] <KrisWood> :D
[08:12] <Jowi> Help needed! edgy upgrade fail. problem with packages atop, courier-authlib-userdb and courier-base. update-manager refuse to continue. I seem to be unable to remove the packages with synaptic "process was interrupted"
[08:12] <shatrat> are you serious GR33N3OX?
[08:12] <sparr> KrisWood: no luv for koffice?
[08:13] <Flannel> GR33N3OX: then don't.  But really, just because those specific programs aren't natively doable, doesn't mean there aren't alternatives that do the same thing.
[08:13] <blackduck3> ugh
[08:13] <riotkittie> otherwise, if you need something to share, why not ... use a jump/flash/usb drive?
[08:13] <KrisWood> sparr: I'm happy with open office, I only use MS office when my boss yells at me. Haven't tried KOffice yet
[08:13] <sparr> KrisWood: i had ignored koffice til recently, but now im starting to see that its a serious contender...  krita beats gimp in some ways even.
[08:13] <lupine_85> unfortunately, openoffice can't beat ms office in terms of functionality yet
[08:13] <GR33N3OX> will it run torrent programs like utorrent?
[08:13] <lupine_85> as for koffice... don't even go there
[08:13] <riotkittie> or just create a 3rd partition, FAT32, to share data between the two
[08:14] <sparr> GR33N3OX: utorrent no.  azureus yes.  ktorrent, rtorrent, bittornado yes.
[08:14] <lupine_85> GR33N3OX: yes, and it has native torrenting programs as well
[08:14] <lupine_85> (e.g. ktorrent)
[08:14] <KrisWood> The only program I haven't been able to find an alternative yet for on linux is 3d studio max >.<
[08:14] <sparr> KrisWood: ill second that.
[08:14] <blackduck3> Went through process of
[08:14] <GR33N3OX> ill fink ill just stick to windows..then ..lol
[08:14] <shatrat> ok
[08:14] <GR33N3OX> most of the stuff i use doesnt even work under linux
[08:14] <sparr> GR33N3OX: sounds like that would be best for you
[08:14] <shatrat> actually it does, but youre stuck on individual programs
[08:14] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: Read up on Crossover Office and Wine, though
[08:14] <nothlit> sparr, wine runs utorrent perfectly
[08:15] <zbogdan> GR33N3OX: what do you  need of Microsoft Office and the others don't have?
[08:15] <ikonia> Does anyone have a guide/info on setting up a printer in cups and then sharing it in samba via the command line/server edition as the docs don't look good on the wiki and the forum's not got great results
[08:15] <darkdrag0n> most people who know very little about computers would do better to stick with MS
[08:15] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: You might also look into VMWare and Parallels
[08:15] <nothlit> sparr, but you need a shell script to pass things to it properly
[08:15] <GR33N3OX> cause im use to em ..and dont wanna change..
[08:15] <GR33N3OX> been using windows all my life
[08:15] <riotkittie> ikonia: not me, sorry. but if you come across one, could you share the link? :>
[08:15] <sparr> GR33N3OX: heh, keep that in mind next time you spend $300 on a copy of windows or $100 on an office upgrade  :)
[08:15] <ikonia> yes, this is being a pain
[08:16] <GR33N3OX> lol...i have never brough a copy of windows..
[08:16] <GR33N3OX> LOL
[08:16] <lupine_85> eh, you'll get used to it ;)
[08:16] <GR33N3OX> ders a thing called downloading
[08:16] <zbogdan> GR33N3OX: so it's just the learning curve?
[08:16] <LinTux> I have been using windows all my life until I found Ubuntu too?
[08:16] <KrisWood> shhh
[08:16] <darkdrag0n> or the next time you have to call MS because your windows needed reinstalled
[08:16] <KrisWood> no advocating piracy here *wink wink*
[08:16] <lupine_85> Arr!
[08:16] <ikonia> ooh maybe have something
[08:16] <nothlit> KrisWood, WHAT? only program you HAVEN'T been able to find an alternative for is 3ds studio max?
[08:16] <sparr> i gave out kubuntu CDs for christmas...  converted a half dozen people that i know of (out of 50 CDs...  sad, but worth it!)
[08:16] <lupine_85> Scurvy dogs, the lot of of 'em
[08:16] <KrisWood> nothlit: shhhh
[08:16] <sparr> nothlit: what KrisWood said.  :)
[08:17] <crazy_penguin> good morning (hopefully)
[08:17] <darkdrag0n> i converted 4 people to Ubuntu
[08:17] <darkdrag0n> out of 10 discs
[08:17] <zbogdan> KrisWood: of course, we all have leagal licenses of wind0ws
[08:17] <sparr> its not just about specific software...  linux makes so many things so much easier
[08:17] <deus_> does gcc 4.2.0 exist on the repository?
[08:17] <zbogdan> or do we?
[08:17] <riotkittie> i have... made my husband shreik like a schoolgirl and flee in horror from my box. but a couple of days ago, he did sit down and ask for an account
[08:17] <riotkittie> so there's hope :D
[08:18] <KrisWood> My windows is actually legit for once, I happen to have a friend who has a friend who works at a company that has a legit corporate license. :)
[08:18] <darkdrag0n> i have a legal MS license.....but i haven't even looked at my windows partition in...weeks
[08:18] <sparr> there is no way i could ever go back to windows without a package manager, and a sandbox for games like cedega provides for me.  its really sad when a windows emulator for linux runs windows games FASTER than windows, AND provides better features.
[08:18] <shatrat> riotkittie, I recommend domestic violence until he comes around.
[08:18] <KrisWood> sparr: I'd kill for synaptic or even apt on windows
[08:18] <Tomas_> morning, im having trouble with my ubuntu install, ive downloaded the img disc and booted frome it chosen install but when i reboot it says verfying DMI pool data...........  BOOT DISK FALIURE, ISERT BOOT DISK AND PRESS ENTER.  any ideas?
[08:18] <riotkittie> shatrat: that's not nice :P
[08:18] <sparr> riotkittie: give him a nice XP-themed window manager so he feels comfy  :)
[08:18] <Flannel> deus_: nope
[08:19] <sparr> KrisWood: closest ive seen is cygwin, it has a few hundred things on its package list, but over half of it is dev stuff (which i of course installed)
[08:19] <KrisWood> I've got an ubuntu box and a windows box right next to eachother on the same monitor heh
[08:19] <riotkittie> sparr: "nice" and "xp-themed" dont belong in the same sentence
[08:19] <sparr> riotkittie: meh, its just a theme  :)
[08:19] <riotkittie> though i have heard such themes work wonders to make the transition period for some
[08:19] <Jowi> Tomas_, you got multiple harddisk drives in that machine?
[08:19] <deus_> But i keep getting this error when i try to run java
[08:19] <riotkittie> a super ugly theme.
[08:19] <deus_> /usr/lib/../lib64/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/../lib64/libgcj.so.70)
[08:19] <nothlit> KrisWood, edubuntu comes with blender by default...
[08:19] <KrisWood> sparr: Meh, I hate cygwin, I'd rather run ubuntu through vmware or parallels, either way you're still running windows as your native OS >.<
[08:19] <sparr> its amazing what re-skinning the K/foot menu with a [Start]  can do
[08:19] <Tomas_> Jowi: there is only one disk
[08:20] <riotkittie> the first time i saw it, i nearly wept.
[08:20] <nothlit> sparr, you have to realise one of the ubuntu varieties COMES with a 3d modelling app, thats what my caps are for :P
[08:20] <Jowi> Tomas_, enter bios and see if it is set as bootable
[08:20] <sparr> nothlit: but its not 3ds max
[08:20] <sparr> nothlit: have you used 3ds?
[08:20] <KrisWood> nothlit: And blender can't use proprietary formats that are needed in a lot of my work. Also, I tried blender and couldn't get the interface to work for me. I've been using 3dsmax for ten years, having a hard time changing :)
[08:20] <Jowi> Tomas_, no external HDDs either?
[08:20] <KrisWood> Can't teach an old dog new tricks, and all that
[08:20] <Tomas_> Jowi: it is set to boot A, C, CDROM
[08:20] <sparr> nothlit: comparing anything available for linux to 3dsmax is like comparing kpaint to photoshop
[08:20] <kraut> moin
[08:20] <sparr> blender isnt even close
[08:21] <sparr> blender is BETTER in a few ways
[08:21] <Tomas_> Jowi: no externals only one disk
[08:21] <sparr> but for the things 3dsmax is best for, blender pales
[08:21] <KrisWood> sparr: I believe maya and XSI are both available on linux
[08:21] <nothlit> KrisWood, last i read i could interface with maya and bryce, if i read stuff correctly
[08:21] <Flannel> Tomas_: you should probably set the cdrom before the HD
[08:21] <sparr> KrisWood: maya still doesnt cut it.  i dunno about XSI
[08:21] <Tomas_> Flannel: Trying that brb
[08:22] <KrisWood> sparr: it depends entirely on how you work with the interfaces, maya works better for some people than it does for others, I just can't get the hang of the mouse movements.
[08:22] <nothlit> sparr, is 3dsmax so superior even over zbrush?
[08:22] <sparr> i cant wait for a linux graphics program (*cough*gimp*cough*) to implement GEGL support.  can finally tell photoshop lovers to take their 'adjustment layers' and shove them where the sun dont shine  :)
[08:22] <GR33N3OX> can linux boost my internet connection speed?
[08:22] <KrisWood> nothlit: yes but it can't handle FBX, 3ds, or any number of other formats
[08:22] <zbogdan> KrisWood: i heard of an API package management, so we may have an app to manage all kinds of packages on all packages .deb .rpm
[08:22] <nothlit> KrisWood, i thought it could handle 3ds exporting
[08:22] <sparr> KrisWood: maya is better for animation.  but 3ds' modeling system is infinitely better than any alternative
[08:22] <KrisWood> sparr: I've read reviews that said Photoshop runs better in Crossover than it does natively in windows
[08:22] <sparr> KrisWood: it does  :)
[08:23] <zbogdan> KrisWood: maybe there will be a windows port
[08:23] <sparr> KrisWood: linux handles swap better, and when swap runs out linux handles disk better so PS's own pseudo-swap runs faster
[08:23] <nothlit> who wants to pay even more to run photoshop
[08:23] <sparr> KrisWood: same reason WoW runs faster
[08:23] <KrisWood> zbogdan: no clue
[08:23] <clayg> anyone know a better way to fix /restore myself from a failed beryl install  back to the "normal" way. other than hunting the net and begging someon for theirs?
[08:23] <KrisWood> sparr: only downside is I've got a d3d vid card >.<
[08:23] <clayg> or installing it on another box just to get the defualt xorg.conf?
[08:23] <clayg> er x11.conf one of 'em
[08:23] <GR33N3OX> does linux have the best of both worlds
[08:24] <KrisWood> sparr: Most games perform abysmally for me in openGL mode
[08:24] <clayg> GR33N3OX, no but it's getting there, and fast
[08:24] <sparr> GR33N3OX: no.  windows is easier.  its just crippled in so many ways.
[08:24] <sparr> KrisWood: freaky
[08:24] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: depends on what you do with it
[08:24] <clayg> KrisWood, have you found a way to play WoW besides crossover?
[08:24] <kling0n> anyone know whether there is an "official" unstable repository for edgy? I am looking for thunderbird 2 beta version from a source I can trust
[08:24] <KrisWood> clayg: I don't play wow at all sorry, I did manage to get Settlers 3 running in it though :D
[08:24] <mikejanssen> man
[08:25] <mikejanssen> i work at gateway
[08:25] <KrisWood> clayg: I've heard that WoW runs great in cedega
[08:25] <clayg> on crossover? i want something free or cheap at least
[08:25] <mikejanssen> and i am mad about our new systems we are releasing today
[08:25] <mikejanssen> they are disgusting
[08:25] <mikejanssen> = (
[08:25] <clayg> isn't cedega codeweavers also?
[08:25] <shatrat> I ran wow in cedaga for weeks.  It runs great if you have nvidia.  Its probably a pig on atis drivers though
[08:25] <riotkittie> i dont think windows is easier because its easier. i think its "easier" because its become the standard and people have had it rammed down their throats for so long :P
[08:25] <clayg> i might buy it (i know right, buy>?!) if i can play wow on it
[08:25] <clayg> i have nvidia
[08:25] <KrisWood> clayg: Cedega is free if you compile it yourself, or $5 if you don't
[08:25] <shatrat> clayg, I mean I ran it in wine.  cedega is different from codewavers
[08:25] <clayg> no kidding huh
[08:25] <Flannel> mikejanssen: #ubuntu-offtopic is the place for that ;)  general chatting.
[08:25] <riotkittie> only $5?
[08:25] <mikejanssen> = X
[08:25] <mikejanssen> oh yeaaahh
[08:26] <clayg> which is te best outta the 3? wine seems to never work for me
[08:26] <KrisWood> riotkittie: It was when I looked at it last a few years ago
[08:26] <KrisWood> Oh btw, the only reason 3dsmax doesn't run in linux is the copy protection
[08:26] <clayg> is cedage better than codeweavers/xover? how much os codeweavers?
[08:26] <KrisWood> Max can't detect cdilla in the background even if it's running via cedega
[08:27] <KrisWood> clayg: not better, different
[08:27] <KrisWood> clayg: xover doesn't do 3d
[08:27] <Manstein> I have been running WoW for 3 months now, using wine 0.9.26 at first , and just updated to 0.9.30. Works like a charm. Do u need the article i used?
[08:27] <sparr> cedega is for games.  crossover is mostly for things written by microsoft, or with IE integration.
[08:27] <rfschmid> Anyone know what I can do about an error like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3309/
[08:27] <clayg> KrisWood, oh and what does it do that cedega does not?
[08:27] <sparr> wine is almost as good as cedega for most games these days, even better for a few.  it has caught up a LOT since the old days
[08:27] <raf256> hello I have a 1 minute linux survey about hardware
[08:28] <sparr> !survey
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about survey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <zbogdan> clayg: try setting up wine yourself, not that hard
[08:28] <raf256> anyone can help me fill it in? Im colecting statistical data
[08:28] <ajax4> !wireless
[08:28] <KrisWood> clayg: xover is really good at handling 2D apps, things like Word or Photoshop.
[08:28] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:28] <sparr> ubotu: weak!
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about weak! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <GR33N3OX> ubuntu looks so weak
[08:28] <sparr> ubotu: botsnack
[08:28] <raf256> zbogdan: no, I ment an online survery like www page not irc
[08:28] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:28] <clayg> zbogdan, i did hard to explain atm though
[08:28] <KrisWood> clayg: I think wine or cedega will run anyting xover will though
[08:28] <sparr> KrisWood: it wont
[08:28] <sparr> KrisWood: ive had a few games that used IE's xml engine to render tables that only worked in crossover.  thankfully they werent 3d
[08:28] <KrisWood> It won't? ok my apologies then
[08:28] <GR33N3OX> so if i install ubuntu..all my windows stuff will still be good?
[08:28] <clayg> well if photo shop isn't 3d then wow isn't ut then again who decides when  a 2d object is considered 3d anyhow
[08:29] <zbogdan> clayg: rephrase atm
[08:29] <svg> Manstein: yes please, the WoW article :)
[08:29] <shatrat> GR33N3OX, you said yourself all you run is MS Office and AIM, youre hardly a software expert
[08:29] <Thecutter> Hello everyone.
[08:29] <clayg> at the moment
[08:29] <sparr> GR33N3OX: you can run ubuntu off the CD, without even installing it.  try it out, no risk.
[08:29] <Manstein> svg: gimme a sec
[08:29] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: Anything that doesn't use directX
[08:29] <riotkittie> looks so weak?
[08:29] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: And some things that do
[08:29] <clayg> in other words in stead of explaining why i ont want to know /use wine, i rather move on to the answer to the quest i asked, a nice way of saying that
[08:29] <Thecutter> Could someone please tell me where to download a mp3 plugin?
[08:29] <Flannel> !mp3 | Thecutter
[08:29] <ubotu> Thecutter: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:29] <KrisWood> clayg: sorry I missed your initial question I think
[08:29] <sparr> clayg: err, the video card decides when its 3d  :)
[08:30] <clayg> gotcha
[08:30] <Manstein> sfg: I used http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120615 , i didn't need the patch process for 0.9.30 .
[08:30] <sparr> clayg: if you call 2d functions with 2d data, its 2d.  if you call 3d functions with 2d or 3d data, its 3d.
[08:30] <zbogdan> clayg: i belive cedega is focused on games only, crossover is more general - supports less games and more big office packages (MSIE, office)
[08:30] <clayg> gotcha
[08:30] <clayg> nice
[08:30] <clayg> ill peep cedega then
[08:30] <Manstein> svg: sfg: I used http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120615 , i didn't need the patch process for 0.9.30
[08:30] <KrisWood> Can anyone help me set up a DNS proxy?
[08:30] <svg> Manstein: thx
[08:31] <GR33N3OX> can i use the internet with UBUNTU while running it on VMWARE if so how
[08:31] <Manstein> svg: gl m8, worth the effort ;)
[08:31] <clayg> specially for the 5 if i can't get it compiled, probally alot of dependency hell thoug but still
[08:31] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: Yes, same way you would on windows :)
[08:31] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: It should "just work"
[08:31] <sparr> GR33N3OX: vmware will either make your network card available to ubuntu directly, or it will make a fake network connection between the ubuntu "computer" and your windows.
[08:32] <clayg> anyone here running dapper and not beryl?
[08:32] <KrisWood> sparr: No it's not, it's MAGIC :D
[08:32] <CharonX> Is there a dashboard program available for Linux similar to the OSX dashboard ?
[08:32] <ikonia> riotkittie: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240282&highlight=cups+server its sharing using the cups hp daemon - not samba but its not a bad start
[08:32] <zbogdan> GR33N3OX: you need to tell vmware to set up a local network (between host comp and guest)
[08:32] <dxdemetriou> how can I use "apt-get source" to build from the source code and to enable some extras?
[08:32] <riotkittie> ikonia: thank you!
[08:32] <ikonia> riotkittie: its quite a good basic walkthrough
[08:32] <ikonia> just tested it
[08:32] <ikonia> its not bull
[08:33] <KrisWood> Well, I think I'm gonna head out but I've got one last thing to say
[08:33] <GR33N3OX> well its not working
[08:33] <zbogdan> GR33N3OX:  from your question host is windows and ubuntu guest
[08:33] <KrisWood> The number one reason Ubuntu is better than windows...
[08:33] <riotkittie> although, i could  stop being lazy and just carry my laptop to the printer ... :P
[08:33] <KrisWood> Where's the Windows IRC channel that has 800 people in it?
[08:33] <KrisWood> :D
[08:33] <CharonX> KrisWood, Just look for a channel full of zombies.
[08:33] <Ayabara> I need a good calender application. Normally I'd go with evolution, but we use an echange server at work, so it has given me some problems. I want to use thunderbird and manually add my meetings to a calendar. Any recommendations?
[08:34] <n2diy_> KrisWood: this is the fewest number of people I've seen here!
[08:34] <kling0n> Ayabara: I believe there is an exchange plugin for evolution
[08:34] <ikonia> riotkittie: nah, network printing is the way
[08:34] <sparr> CharonX: there are some sorta-dashboard apps for linux now.  the next version of KDE is supposed to have an almost exact copy of the OS X dashboard that uses the same widgets (hooray khtml open sourceness!)
[08:34] <KrisWood> CharonX: nah, it doesn't exist :) Like Microsoft would ever want to create a place for people to ask for help for FREE :D
[08:34] <Ayabara> kling0n, there is, but it has been somewhat unstable. plus I like thunderbird better
[08:34] <kling0n> hehe well, I cant blame you :)
[08:35] <KrisWood> Oh hey n2diy_ long time no chat :)
[08:35] <kling0n> I've had to move away from evolution also
[08:35] <KrisWood> Then again I only come in here when I have tons of questions ;)
[08:35] <CharonX> KrisWood, By zombies, I mean computers taken over and controlled via an irc channel
[08:35] <YoshiG3> Hey everyone, I just installed a .deb and I can't figure out where it went
[08:35] <n2diy_> KrisWood: Roger that, good to see your still online. :)
[08:35] <KrisWood> CharonX: lol :)
[08:35] <sparr> YoshiG3: dpkg -L nameofpackage
[08:35] <Ayabara> kling0n, I used kalendar and korganizer earlier, but now I have a kde-free system, so I thought I'd check if there's a good gnome based calendar app
[08:36] <CharonX> sparr, Thanks, too bad im stuck on gnome... I might have to switch with all these great features KDE has come up with in the last while though.
[08:36] <KrisWood> n2diy_: I did finally figure out what my internet trouble was last time after all that work. I had bumped a network cable while trying to fix things.
[08:36] <YoshiG3> sparr: I had a game named vdrift, I installed the deb with dpkg, and I can't find it...
[08:36] <sparr> CharonX: i cant imagine how people use gnome...  last time i compared it to kde was a year ago, and it was years behind then
[08:36] <sparr> YoshiG3: dpkg -L vdrift
[08:36] <AzMoo> Hey, is there supposed to be a separate iso for Ubuntu Server Edition?
[08:37] <YoshiG3> I did that, nothing happeend, couldn't find it
[08:37] <sparr> AzMoo: there is, and there is.
[08:37] <Flannel> AzMoo: there is.
[08:37] <KrisWood> Anyone here know anything about DNS proxies?
[08:37] <n2diy_> KrisWood: Roger that too! Hey,  a good tech. finds there mistakes! :)
[08:37] <sparr> YoshiG3: what was the name of the deb?
[08:37] <riotkittie> i cant imagine how people use kde. :P
[08:37] <xrfang> hi there, I have some questions about ubuntu translation, is there anybody familiar with that? my first question is can I download a language package for a particular software then edit it using gtranslator? I would like to do offline not on launchpad...
[08:37] <xrfang> tks
[08:37] <CharonX> sparr, I can open all the programs I need in the gui. Never really needed much more I guess untill recently. I used to be in fluxbox to give you an idea. I guess its just evolution over time for me.
[08:37] <KrisWood> n2diy_: yup, gotta invest in some new network cables that have proper clips lol
[08:37] <YoshiG3> well, I renamed it...to vdrift.deb
[08:38] <riotkittie> im big on flux these days.
[08:38] <sparr> CharonX: yeah, i use openbox when i need speed/ram, and kde when i want a comfortable integrated desktop...  but anyting in between seems useless
[08:38] <AzMoo> sparr, Flannel, thanks. Is it still version 6.10? I can't seem to find it.
[08:38] <KrisWood> YoshiG3: try slocate?
[08:38] <sparr> YoshiG3: dpkg -l | grep -i drift
[08:39] <GR33N3OX> is linux the best OS in the world?
[08:39] <riotkittie> hm. if i can free some space, maybe i'll take kde for another spin
[08:39] <sparr> CharonX: maybe gnome has improved lately.  when i tried it, printer support sucked, menu integration with debian sucked.  the panel had very few configurable options or applets
[08:39] <riotkittie> though i think it will be overkill
[08:39] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: That's a rather subjective question. Best for who?
[08:39] <Flannel> AzMoo: it is.  What arch?
[08:39] <sparr> GR33N3OX: we wouldnt be here if not  :)
[08:39] <n2diy_> KrisWood: buy a package with the cable, terminals, and cable, making your own cables isn't that hard to do. I just ran 150' of cat five, and will soon have my garage networked with this box.
[08:39] <HymnToLife> GR33N3OX, no - but it' all a matter of opinion
[08:39] <YoshiG3> "ii  vdrift-data                                0.0.2006.10.06-1                     An open source drift racing simulation
[08:39] <HymnToLife> and Linux is not an OS anyway
[08:40] <Ayabara> no advice on gnome calendar app? guess it's korganizer then.
[08:40] <n2diy_> KrisWood: whoops, I meant cable, terminals, and crimper.
[08:40] <sparr> YoshiG3: you only got the data, you also need the package without "-data" in the name
[08:40] <KrisWood> n2diy_: yeah I know, I just don't feel like buying the crimper
[08:40] <GR33N3OX> isert easy to make app for linux
[08:40] <AzMoo> Flannel, i386. I was hoping to find one on my ISP mirror (download caps suck balls), but I'm not managing it.
[08:40] <sparr> YoshiG3: then do "dpkg -L vdrift-data" and "dpkg -L vdrift"
[08:40] <sparr> GR33N3OX: far easier than for windows
[08:40] <KrisWood> n2diy_: Not when decent network cables are $6 at the local computer store
[08:40] <sparr> GR33N3OX: its easier to make an app for linux, mac, AND windows than to make one just for windows.
[08:40] <n2diy_> KrisWood: Join a LUG, and see if you can borrow one.
[08:40] <CharonX> sparr, Ill have to try KDE, as I dont really have a comparison as the last time I used KDE was back in 2001 and it was much to heavy for my computer at the time.
[08:41] <blackduck3> Thxs for your crap help.
[08:41] <Flannel> AzMoo: you just have to go to the "other install options" on the download page, and then there's the server iso.  For instance: http://ftp.ucsb.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/edgy/  has the server stuff (that's just from click "other install options")
[08:41] <Rprp> Hi, how can i 'get' all the $_GETS in mysql querys? grep "mysql * \$_GET" * ---- doesnt work... (Srry for bad english... :x)
[08:41] <sparr> CharonX: its still pretty heavy, relative to the alternatives, but im not running a 386 any more  :)
[08:41] <YoshiG3> sparr: It's not showing much, how am I supposed to know if I have the full files?
[08:41] <AzMoo> Flannel, ok, cheers.
[08:41] <gbv22> can anyone give me help on multiple monitors on ubuntu pls? thanks!
[08:41] <KrisWood> n2diy_: lol nah, I'll just buy the cables. I spent too many years as a sysadmin / network admin to enjoy making cables anymore loil
[08:41] <KrisWood> lol too
[08:41] <Flannel> !dualhead | gbv22
[08:41] <ubotu> gbv22: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[08:41] <GR33N3OX> isnt 90% of computer users , use windows?
[08:41] <sparr> YoshiG3: there are two debs to download.  you only downloaded the -data one.  you need to go get the other one too.
[08:41] <sparr> GR33N3OX: no.  maybe 90% of desktop computers.
[08:42] <HymnToLife> GR33N3OX, true, so what ?
[08:42] <GR33N3OX> isnt that why bill gates is the richiest man alive
[08:42] <sparr> GR33N3OX: more people use QNX or Symbian than windows+mac+linux
[08:42] <sotzing> hello
[08:42] <riotkittie> GR33N3OX: less than 90% on the desktop but not that much  less,  i imagine
[08:42] <sparr> bill gates hasnt been the richest man alive for a while
[08:42] <AzMoo> Flannel, I found it. I was looking for a DVD, not a CD. Thanks :)
[08:42] <riotkittie> Gates isnt the richest man alive.
[08:42] <gbv22> ubotu: thanks
[08:42] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[08:42] <n2diy_> GR33N3OX: at one time 90% of the people thought the world was flat.
[08:42] <GR33N3OX> he is according to forbe
[08:42] <KrisWood> GR33N3OX: Only because Bill Gates used some very clever business strategies to ensure that Windows would be pre-installed on damn near every PC :)
[08:42] <sotzing> whats the easiest way to install apache/php/mysql on ubuntu?
[08:43] <Flannel> guys, take this conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic, this isn't the place for it.
[08:43] <Flannel> !lamp | sotzing
[08:43] <ubotu> sotzing: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:43] <YoshiG3> man games suck to get for linux lol
[08:43] <KrisWood> sotzing: sudo apt-get install php
[08:43] <GR33N3OX> who is the richiest man alive?
[08:43] <HymnToLife> YoshiG3, that depends _which_ games
[08:43] <GR33N3OX> if its not bill gates
[08:43] <HymnToLife> google knows...
[08:43] <Flannel> GR33N3OX: #ubuntu-offtopic, please.  #ubuntu is a support channel
[08:43] <HymnToLife> anyway
[08:44] <KrisWood> sotzing: nm follow ubotu's way, it's better
[08:44] <HymnToLife> !offtopic | GR33N3OX
[08:44] <GR33N3OX> google says bill gates
[08:44] <ubotu> GR33N3OX: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:44] <GR33N3OX> ok
[08:44] <sparr> YoshiG3: compared to windows?  how?  when i want a game, i apt-get install it.  bam, done.  if its not in the repository, i download a deb and double click it, no worse than windows.  at worst i have to download source and compile it, takes a few minutes.
[08:44] <HymnToLife> btw, anyone know why I'm banned from offtopic ?
[08:44] <KrisWood> Well, since a lot of people have come and gone since the last time I asked, does anyone here know anything about dns proxies?
[08:44] <Rprp> Hi, how can i 'get' all the $_GETS in mysql querys? grep "mysql * \$_GET" * ---- doesnt work... (Srry for bad english... :x)
[08:45] <KrisWood> Rprp: Try joining #mysql and #php on this server
[08:45] <Rprp> lol, its a 'grep' question.. :p
[08:45] <KrisWood> oh sorry misread it at first
[08:45] <KrisWood> are you using less?
[08:46] <Flannel> HymnToLife: #ubuntu-ops could tell you
[08:46] <KrisWood> Rprp: less filename | grep string
[08:46] <Rprp> k, i will try
[08:46] <HymnToLife> Flannel, thanks, I'll ask there when I'm back from school
[08:46] <KrisWood> grep should always follow a pipe
[08:46] <apallo> what's the command to see if my wireless drivers are installed correctly?
[08:47] <incorrect> i was looking at zenoss / zabbix etc,  can anyone recommend one?
[08:47] <HymnToLife> apallo, iwconfig
[08:47] <psyoptik> I'm having some issues setting up a shoutcast audio server on my edgy box. Im using the linux version of shoutcast and idjc to send stream to shoutcast server. Problem is that idjc won't connect when shoutcast says its up...any ideas?
[08:48] <KrisWood> no DNS gurus out there tonight eh? heh
[08:48] <Rprp> KrisWood: less * | grep "mysql * get" <-- Doesnt work? (I want al the $_GET[thingies]  in mysql querys.... :p)
[08:48] <robert_> hm
[08:48] <apallo> hmmm, it won't connect to my wireless network...
[08:48] <KrisWood> ok it's near midnight here, gonna head out, have a good night everyone!
[08:48] <robert_> how do I get mozilla to use arts instead of esd?
[08:48] <KrisWood> Rprp: I don't know if that works, try man less
[08:48] <sotzing> KrisWood: thanks for the help
[08:48] <KrisWood> Rprp: I think you have to specify a single file name, I don't think * will work
[08:48] <apallo> anyone know how to make wireless work with WPA?
[08:49] <HymnToLife> !wpa | apallo
[08:49] <ubotu> apallo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:49] <KrisWood> OMG I just recommended a man page, wtf
[08:49] <KrisWood> lol
[08:49] <apallo> thanks Hymn!
[08:49] <Rprp> hm
[08:49] <KrisWood> Ok I'll stick around for a slight rant
[08:49] <KrisWood> This is the only linux community I've ever visited that never mentions man pages lol
[08:49] <KrisWood> :D
[08:49] <nothlit> Rprp, thats because you need cat
[08:49] <KrisWood> imo that's a good thing
[08:49] <nothlit> Rprp, less doesn't work like that
[08:50] <KrisWood> nothlit: Ooooh good call, thanks
[08:50] <n2diy_> ! man | KrisWood
[08:50] <ubotu> KrisWood: The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:50] <n2diy_> ! RTFM | KrisWood
[08:50] <nothlit> ooh theres a man intro?
[08:50] <ubotu> KrisWood: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[08:50] <Rprp> dedi262:/home/masseria/public_html# cat *php* | grep "mysql *  get"
[08:50] <Rprp> dedi262:/home/masseria/public_html#
[08:50] <KrisWood> n2diy_: When I started out using linux, the first answer anyone would ever give was always "read the man page"
[08:51] <nothlit> why can't it bring it up by default like info
[08:51] <KrisWood> n2diy_: People have it easy these days :)
[08:51] <nothlit> KrisWood, only in the ubuntu world
[08:51] <nothlit> Rprp, try escaping the asterisk or modifying your command
[08:51] <n2diy_> KrisWood: tell me something I don't know, and yes they do, remember RH5.2!?
[08:51] <KrisWood> nothlit: yup, why else would I be here lol
[08:52] <KrisWood> n2diy_: Fortunately my first redhat experience was 7.0 :D
[08:52] <Rprp> nothlit: you mean "mysql \* get" ?
[08:52] <nothlit> Rprp, i think you need to use regex rather than globs
[08:52] <n2diy_> KrisWood: ah, you are a newbie. :)
[08:52] <nothlit> Rprp, you could try it
[08:52] <KrisWood> n2diy_: Before that I had mostly used BSD, and I forget if my college used suse or slackware
[08:52] <psyoptik> anyone have any experience setting up a shoutcast server that might have some idea what problem I am having?
[08:53] <Rprp> nothlit: doesnt work. :p
[08:53] <KrisWood> n2diy_: nah, I've been doing this stuff for 10 years, I've just forgotten most of the oldschool stuff
[08:53] <nothlit> Rprp, yeah you need to use regex rather than globs
[08:53] <n2diy_> KrisWood: ok, I'll retract my last remark.
[08:53] <nothlit> Rprp, try "mysql[[:print:] ] *get"
[08:53] <nothlit> without the quotes
[08:53] <KrisWood> n2diy_: I'm just a relative noob at redhat, which I have avoided like the plague ever since FC1 :D
[08:54] <KrisWood> Wow, nothlit you're on a roll there
[08:54] <n2diy_> KrisWood: I "broke out! with Mandrake 7.0, and then migrated to FC1, and now Dapper. I have now found my linux home with Ubuntu.
[08:54] <Rprp> k, thnx
[08:55] <KrisWood> anyway my bed is getting lonely. I'll catch ya all later, maybe there'll be a DNS person around tomorrow :)
[08:55] <Rprp> oke
[08:55] <Rprp> nothlit: works, thnx
[08:55] <n2diy_> KrisWood: I "broke out"
[08:55] <nothlit> KrisWood, thats because the #ubuntu-* channels are quiet
[08:56] <KrisWood> n2diy_: I came to ubuntu (hoary) from FC1 and haven't looked back once :)
[08:56] <KrisWood> would you believe it's near impossible to get the kernel headers in FC? *shudders*
[08:56] <KrisWood> at least it was before yum, dunno about now
[08:56] <KrisWood> anyway, SLEEP! hehe
[08:57] <KrisWood> good night all!
[08:57] <n2diy_> KrisWood: gn
[08:57] <Alpha232> anyone having issues with an apt-get upgrade causing apache to segfault?