[12:11] <BearKnuckle> How can I setup a framebuffered grub-boot-menu?
[12:12] <BearKnuckle> !grub
[12:12] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:13] <kev1n> !sound
[12:13] <ubotu> sound is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:16] <saaida> firefox
[12:16] <Hobbsee> !tell saaida about firefox1.5
[12:16] <saaida> Thanx
[12:26] <yanis> hello
[12:26] <_chris> hi
[12:27] <yanis> I have added some comments/thoughts to KDESimplify in the wiki
[12:27] <yanis> I intent to add a lot more
[12:28] <_chris> cool
[12:28] <_chris> whats KDESimplify?
[12:28] <yanis> it's some default options in Kubuntu that are different from the KDE project's one
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yanis: link?
[12:30] <yanis> just a sec
[12:30] <saaida> yanis : what kind of options are modifyed ?
[12:31] <yanis> for example:haven't you noticed that konqueror's menu has been modified?
[12:32] <yanis> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSimplifyKDE
[12:32] <yanis> that is the link
[12:33] <crimsun> Is anyone experiencing artsd pegging the cpu at 100% ?
[12:33] <crimsun> if so, please query me
[12:34] <yanis> crimsun: a lot of app do that some times
[12:34] <crimsun> this is artsd-specific
[12:34] <_chris> interesting link
[12:34] <steveire> lo
[12:34] <crimsun> I have a fix, I just need to confirm it
[12:34] <yanis> _chris: just post your ideas ;)
[12:35] <steveire> is knaptic just as good as synaptic>
[12:35] <robotgeek> steveire: in dapper, adept is better :)
[12:37] <steveire> hmmm...
[12:37] <yanis> UI of adept is very strange
[12:37] <yanis> i think it needs improvement..
[12:37] <steveire> When dapper is frozen, will I be using adept to update to it, or will I have to burn a new iso?
[12:37] <steveire> I use adept atm btw
[12:38] <robotgeek> steveire: you can upgrade after changing sources.list
[12:38] <robotgeek> yanis: are you sure you are using the one in dapper
[12:38] <steveire> I think I'll try Kynaptic. It seems everyone else uses synaptic...
[12:38] <yanis> robotgeek: I use the version 1
[12:38] <steveire> So do I 1.0
[12:42] <steveire> Network question: Are there any issues going to come up if I install bind9 on my laptop and then connect it to the network in college? I think I had some DHCP thing running the last time (I had no idea what it was) and I got a phone call from Computing services. I think there's some issue about rogue DHCP or something. Anyone have any info?
[12:43] <tarmath> bind the dns server?
[12:43] <steveire> yes
[12:43] <tarmath> why would you need that on your laptop?
[12:43] <steveire> I selected network-manager, and it wants to install that too.
[12:44] <tarmath> ah, it probly needs the client tools maybe
[12:44] <steveire> Any issues there? Does that DHCP thing make sense to you?
[12:44] <tarmath> as long as you keep the server off, which you likely absolutely do not need, you'll be fine
[12:45] <johntr7> hi, can any1 tell me if theres a bugs channel or the like ?
[12:45] <steveire> If I turn it on, that will create issues?
[12:45] <tarmath> yea I mean so your college network works with dhcp, which is exactly what most college networks do
[12:46] <tarmath> no i doubt it
[12:46] <tarmath> oh you mean if the dns server is turned on?
[12:47] <steveire> And by me running dhcp from my laptop, what did that do?
[12:47] <tarmath> well, nah it wont, but my guess is that you dont need it anyway
[12:47] <steveire> oh you mean if the dns server is turned on? <<< yeah
[12:48] <steveire> Whoa, that's getting a bit mixed up. I hope you're following
[12:48] <tarmath> its not mixed up
[12:48] <steveire> And by me running dhcp from my laptop, what did that do?
[12:48] <tarmath> network-manager probly needs bind because it's using some tool included in the package
[12:49] <tarmath> the college network runs a dhcp server
[12:49] <tarmath> so you need a dhcp client on your laptop to connect to that server and get an ip address
[12:50] <tarmath> what is running on your laoptop is the dhcp client
[12:51] <steveire> I think I installed a dchp server, and that caused the issue. It was a fedora core 5 install. I was just ticking all the boxes (my first linux attempt)
[12:52] <steveire> does that make any sense?
[12:55] <steveire> no one knows...
[01:01] <slow-motion> n8
[01:03] <manganga> Hello there... is there any way to disable the Shutdown, reboot, etc options from the Login screen?
[01:06] <krenx> !chroot
[01:06] <ubotu> somebody said chroot was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[01:09] <saaida> hi there . any one can help with getting macromedia plug-in for firefox ?
[01:10] <saaida> i think they have some link problem on the macromedia site
[01:10] <saaida> http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[01:10] <saaida> this is the download location it gives
[01:10] <saaida> which gives an error
[01:11] <robotgeek> saaida: remove the fp
[01:12] <robotgeek> use http://download.<blah> , saaida
[01:13] <saaida> lol 5 minutes trying to figure it out . guess im tired after the whole day linuxing :)
[01:13] <saaida> but kind satisfyed for 1st time linux install :)
[01:13] <saaida> Thanx guys for the support . u been a good help all day long
[01:14] <crweb> i need some help with gam_server
[01:14] <crweb> it keeps going to 100% cpu
[01:14] <crweb> and overheating me
[01:18] <krenx> sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap /// E: Couldn't find package dchroot
[01:18] <crweb> wouldn't it just be  chroot
[01:18] <crweb> not  dchroot
[01:19] <_chris> why is my cd stuck in the disc tray?
[01:19] <_chris> I cannot open my cdtray lol
[01:19] <crweb> oh, nvrmind.  I have dchroot
[01:19] <crweb> _chris: right click on it, hit umount/safely remove
[01:19] <crweb> or ejct
[01:20] <krenx> crweb: dunno, im just following the instructions at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[01:20] <_chris> thanks
[01:20] <crweb> _chris: when it's "mounted", eject button won't work for safety reasons
[01:20] <_chris> ok
[01:21] <krenx> so, where do i get the package then ?
[01:21] <HymnToLife> I remember it took me ages to figure that out when I was using debien some years ago ?
[01:22] <HymnToLife> like "wgy the hell do I have to reboot to ejecd CDS, linux sucks" :p
[01:22] <krenx> lol
[01:22] <crweb> it's just the way it works,  Applie/osx works like that too
[01:22] <crweb> they don't even give you a tray button
[01:23] <crweb> linux/unix/osx believes the mounted drive will exist while it is mounted, there for always in use
[01:23] <krenx> could anyone help me settin up a t ?
[01:23] <krenx> opps
[01:23] <crweb> you take a disc out in windows while the disc is being used, and you have bad results
[01:23] <crweb> same process
[01:24] <_chris> how come I cant navigate the contents of my wireless network cards driver disc?
[01:24] <_chris> all I get is manual, and start.exe
[01:24] <crweb> then that's all there is
[01:24] <_chris> there should be more folders than that
[01:24] <crweb> why?
[01:24] <crweb> everything must be built into start.exe
[01:24] <_chris> oh
[01:25] <_chris> on suse it would show the different files
[01:25] <crweb> really?
[01:25] <crweb> that is strange
[01:25] <crweb> show hidden files maybe?
[01:25] <crweb> under view
[01:26] <_chris> hmm dosent work
[01:26] <_chris> this is really strange
[01:26] <_chris> I guess I can just download the drivers
[01:27] <crweb> sure that's not just a manual cd?
[01:27] <_chris> yes
[01:27] <crweb> what card/driver disc?
[01:27] <_chris> its a wireless g plus Desktop card
[01:28] <crweb> right
[01:28] <crweb> made by?
[01:28] <_chris> belkin
[01:28] <crweb> yup
[01:28] <crweb> model #?
[01:29] <_chris> not sure
[01:29] <_chris> isnt there a command I can run that will tell me?
[01:29] <crweb> hmm.. should be on the box,  or   lspci
[01:30] <_chris> I dont have the box
[01:31] <crweb> i've got a whole stack of those cd's at my other place
[01:31] <crweb> can't find one here
[01:31] <crweb> i'll take a look at some of them
[01:31] <crweb> i have an idea of what it is
[01:31] <crweb> there is a "hidden" flag
[01:32] <crweb> sometimes wine makes you set it
[01:32] <_chris> oh
[01:33] <crweb> _chris: you want a fix?
[01:33] <crweb> will take editing a file
[01:33] <crweb> as root
[01:33] <_chris> crweb: Yes please
[01:33] <crweb> sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[01:33] <_chris> ok
[01:34] <crweb> find a line that says /media/cdrom0
[01:34] <crweb> or something like that and paste it here
[01:34] <_chris> ok found it
[01:34] <crweb> (hightlight it,  middle click on your text entry box)
[01:35] <HymnToLife> or use the old school Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V :p
[01:35] <crweb> mine is:  /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:35] <_chris> here it is: /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto
[01:35] <crweb> ctrl-c does not work in nano, in a konsole window
[01:35] <crweb> cool
[01:35] <crweb> yeah that's it
[01:35] <crweb> change it to
[01:36] <HymnToLife> oh yeah obviously
[01:36] <HymnToLife> well, I never use nano except in full command line on servers
[01:36] <crweb> _chris:    user,noauto,unhide
[01:37] <crweb> change nothing else
[01:37] <_chris> ok
[01:37] <_chris> it should look like this correct? /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,unhide
[01:37] <crweb> make sure that the 0  0   didn't make a new line
[01:38] <_chris> its still on the same line
[01:38] <crweb> ok
[01:38] <crweb> that should be fine
[01:38] <_chris> ok
[01:38] <crweb> ctrl-x, y
[01:38] <_chris> how do I save and exit?
[01:38] <Sergi0> :)
[01:38] <HymnToLife> _chris> Ctrl+O and then Ctrl+X
[01:38] <_chris> ok
[01:38] <crweb> or just ctrl-x, y
[01:38] <HymnToLife> and enter in between
[01:39] <deuce868> any active yakuake users? When I start it up from the command line it says it started but I get the Uh oh.. can't write data.. error
[01:39] <crweb> _chris: take your disc out, and put it back in when done
[01:39] <Sergi0> deuce868: yakuake?
[01:39] <_chris> it works now!
[01:39] <_chris> thanks :D
[01:39] <crweb> sweet
[01:39] <deuce868> Sergi0: yes
[01:39] <crweb> cheap bastards
[01:39] <mrfishhat> May i ask if anyone has had luck with dual monitors?
[01:39] <Sergi0> deuce868: whats that? :)
[01:40] <crweb> mrfishhat: i've got 3
[01:40] <crweb> mrfishhat: works great
[01:40] <crweb> mrfishhat: there are several ubuntu howtos on the wiki
[01:40] <deuce868> Sergi0: seriously? It's a terminal window that attaches to the top of the screen and drops down when you hit F12.
[01:40] <deuce868> Very cool terminal app as it drops over your workspace and then slides up when you click off of it, but won't lose its place.
[01:41] <deuce868> I just did a series of updates today and now it won't start.
[01:41] <_chris> is there a way to change the single click to double click?
[01:41] <Sergi0> deuce868: ye seriously! :) never used it, dont need it i guess.
[01:41] <crweb> _chris: its in your settings area, under mouse
[01:41] <mrfishhat> crweb: ill have t o search more next time thanks
[01:41] <crweb> mrfishhat: i'll be around on irc, just /msg me if you need extra help
[01:41] <_chris> ok thanks
[01:41] <deuce868> Sergi0: if you spend much time in a terminal it rocks. I use it for my svn commands and such
[01:42] <crweb> mrfishhat: sometimes there are "gotchas"
[01:42] <crweb> mrfishhat: there's no gui way to do it really
[01:43] <_chris> ah after all of that, I get an invalid drivers error in ndiswrapper lol
[01:44] <Sergi0> deuce868: is it just for kde? or gnome?
[01:44] <ph0nk> How can it be that XMMS plays my mp3-files well, but Kaffeine and amaroK dont? (Using Kubuntu Dapper Drake beta)
[01:45] <eosyn> need the gstreamer-ugly files
[01:45] <eosyn> I think
[01:45] <deuce868> Sergi0: I think it's KDE. I've not tried it in Gnome
[01:46] <_chris> ill be right back
[01:46] <ph0nk> the weird thing is that it worked perfectly with breezy
[01:46] <krenx> !wine
[01:47] <crweb> ph0nk: xmms, and kde use different mp3 decoders
[01:47] <ph0nk> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly is already installed.
[01:48] <ph0nk> crweb, ok. do you have any idea of what i should do?
[01:48] <krenx> where can i get latest libwine _
[01:48] <crweb> ph0nk: google  Restricted formats Ubuntu
[01:48] <crweb> ph0nk: there are directions for everything multimedia there
[01:49] <crweb> ph0nk: "restricted formats wiki"
[01:49] <ph0nk> crweb: thanks. as i said before - it worked perfectly until i updated to dapper.
[01:49] <crweb> ph0nk: yes, that would be correct
[01:50] <crweb> stuff changes
[01:50] <crweb> ph0nk: the old mp3 stuff got removed probably
[01:50] <ph0nk> Okey.
[01:50] <crweb> deuce868: works fine here
[01:50] <crweb> deuce868: pretty sweet, thanks
[01:52] <crweb> deuce868: it says "can't write data"  here too, but it's still working
[01:52] <deuce868> crweb: damn you!!! :-) What version of kubuntu are you using?
[01:52] <crweb> deuce868: i suspect that when you start it from console the output is on the console not the x log file
[01:52] <crweb> deuce868: dapper drake, 6.06
[01:52] <deuce868> crweb: hmmm, I guess I'll have to play some more. When I start it from a shortcut it says it's running and then hangs.
[01:53] <deuce868> It shows up in ps aux, but it isn't working.
[01:53] <thoffmeyer> how do I change the clock to 12hour?
[01:53] <crweb> i just fresh installed it, and it works
[01:53] <crweb> thoffmeyer: right click -> date time format
[01:54] <thoffmeyer> crweb: yes and..?
[01:54] <crweb> thoffmeyer: change the time format?
[01:54] <thoffmeyer> there no option for 12 hour
[01:54] <crweb> 12 hour == AMPM
[01:54] <thoffmeyer> it's in there
[01:55] <crweb> did you change it earlier?
[01:55] <ph0nk> seems like amaroK needed libxine-extracodecs
[01:55] <crweb> ph0nk: yeah, that's it
[01:55] <crweb> ;)
[01:55] <thoffmeyer> crweb: no
[01:55] <ph0nk> ;)
[01:55] <justanotheruser> more people out there who lost there video in videoplayer after an upgrade in dapper?
[01:55] <crweb> ph0nk: sorry, couldn't remember
[01:56] <ph0nk> no problem, thanks for your help anyway.
[01:56] <crweb> thoffmeyer: something is wrong then,  change it to HH:MM:SS, restart kde, then come back change it to AMPM, and restart kde
[01:56] <crweb> thoffmeyer: that should put it back on track
[01:56] <thoffmeyer> ight
[01:56] <thoffmeyer> brb
[02:01] <ep> I can i determine make/model of my video card
[02:02] <ep> how
[02:02] <crweb> ep: lspci
[02:02] <bimberi> ep: 'lspci' in a terminal might tell you
[02:02] <ep> ok thx
[02:03] <t1k> the kubuntu cd I have is scratched.  Rather and make another one, I'm interested in doing a network (ftp) install.  Does kubuntu do that?
[02:04] <t1k> I looked in the wiki etc, but didn't find anything
[02:06] <crweb> t1k: you could do an advanced install, install only the base system
[02:06] <crweb> t1k: and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <crweb> t1k: with apt-get you're basically doing a net install off the cd anyway
[02:07] <t1k> the package that's failing is zlib, would the basic install avoid that?
[02:07] <crweb> yeah.. that's important
[02:07] <crweb> even for net install
[02:07] <krenx> Anyone knows where i can get libwine*.deb for all architextures
[02:07] <crweb> zlib kinda makes it so you can install the packages
[02:07] <ph0nk> crweb: that sure sounds important to me :)
[02:08] <stodge> Anyone know if mysql5 is available for kubuntu?
[02:08] <dj_goku> stodge: you search in adept?
[02:08] <stodge> Yeah I only see 4 or 4.1
[02:08] <crweb> stodge: did you enable universe and multiverse, and backports?
[02:08] <t1k> I was afraid of that.
[02:09] <dj_goku> did you enable (uni/multi)verse
[02:09] <stodge> hmmmm
[02:09] <t1k> thanks guys
[02:09] <x1n933k> I could use some ideas on if it is possible to login to kde with OS X software other than NX?
[02:09] <x1n933k> Over a network that is
[02:09] <stodge> Yes I think so
[02:09] <crweb> x1n933k: there is XDMCP
[02:09] <dj_goku> x1n933k: vnc?
[02:09] <crweb> x1n933k: and vnc
[02:10] <DarkShock> it is normal that I get "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!" when running kbuildsycoca (dapper amd64)
[02:10] <stodge> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[02:10] <dj_goku> stodge: you think? so you changed them or?
[02:10] <stodge> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[02:10] <stodge> Are those the right ones?
[02:11] <dj_goku> are the deb src also changed?
[02:11] <stodge> I don't have deb src ones selected - I don't want sourec installed
[02:11] <crweb> stodge: guess it's not in breezy then :(
[02:12] <stodge> It must be dapper only
[02:15] <dj_goku> stodge: looks that way
[02:15] <dj_goku> I only see 4.1
[02:17] <__mikem> hey, is the next version going to replace that yucky pasty blue color scheme currntly used in the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:18] <dj_goku> __mikem: you can always change the scheme =)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> __mikem: which one in particular, and are you talking about breezy or dapper?
[02:20] <__mikem> I am currently using breezy
[02:20] <__mikem> I think it would be a nice idea if they implimented the humanity scheme for kde
[02:20] <__mikem> i tried to do it myself, but found it difficult
[02:20] <__mikem> I eventually got it done
[02:20] <Hobbsee> it's been changed in dapper
[02:21] <__mikem> could I have a screen shot
[02:21] <__mikem> Glad to hear it by the way
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yeah, me too
[02:21] <Hobbsee> er...they're on the wiki...
[02:21] <Hobbsee> nick Hobbsee_away
[02:21] <Hobbsee_away> (who nicked off with my /????)
[02:21] <__mikem> not me
[02:22] <__mikem> maybe someone hacked the chanel
[02:22] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[02:22] <__mikem> i suppose you could nick back though
[02:22] <ph0nk> maybe special agents from microsoft.
[02:23] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[02:23] <justanotheruser> is there a know issue with updates(dapper) or is my system terroring me (all movies doesn't show video anymore)
[02:24] <ph0nk> Actually, i have worked @ microsoft :)
[02:24] <crweb> i ain't afraid of metally handcap people
[02:24] <crweb> microsoft agents or not
[02:24] <__mikem> Cool, in all seriousness I have heard their hq in washington is the coolest place
[02:25] <crweb> as much money as they have
[02:25] <crweb> it better be
[02:25] <ph0nk> Humm, the Stockholm-office is not really cool.
[02:25] <ph0nk> It's mostly grey...
[02:25] <__mikem> Well, you worked for them, you get used to it, we don't
[02:25] <crweb> i'd shoot myself
[02:26] <__mikem> heres a question, whats a microsoft veterin doing using a gnu/linux distro
[02:26] <justanotheruser> i'd rather eat my own shit
[02:26] <ph0nk> Haha. As an IT consultant i could end up anywhere.
[02:26] <crweb> __mikem: see above
[02:26] <__mikem> lol, o my
[02:26] <crweb> __mikem: you odn't think MS uses linux?
[02:26] <crweb> they have a huge linux lab
[02:26] <ph0nk> i've also worked @ Adobe and IBM. All places were really booring.
[02:27] <__mikem> I think they use it but they are too arogant to admit that windows sucks
[02:27] <crweb> __mikem: everything has a purpose
[02:27] <__mikem> aparently windows server's place is NOT hosting hotmail though
[02:27] <ph0nk> When i worked @ ms they didn't allow me to install firefox on my laptop. It would be "emberassing if any costumer would see it". Hey, it's my laptop?
[02:27] <crweb> some software is better for some needs,  they use that software where they need to
[02:28] <__mikem> not surprised
[02:28] <crweb> isn't running IE embarrassing enough?
[02:28] <__mikem> did they make you remove all gnu software also
[02:28] <__mikem> lol, no, running microsoft anti-spyware is worse
[02:29] <crweb> a company that can't stop spyware from being installed on it's own OS
[02:29] <__mikem> not nearly as bad as installing msn desktop search
[02:29] <__mikem> yup my point exactly
[02:29] <crweb> sure as hell can't make software to remove spyware
[02:29] <HymnToLife> worst MS app ever : Windows Movie Maker, now THAT's a pice of crap
[02:29] <__mikem> amen
[02:30] <__mikem> the only thing more pointless is outlook express
[02:30] <ph0nk> crweb: Yeah, that SHOULD be embarrassing enought. But they were proud of iexplore, they thought it was "misunderstood".
[02:30] <__mikem> wow, lets see
[02:30] <crweb> i could believe that
[02:30] <crweb> it's highly misunderstood
[02:30] <ph0nk> __mikem: No, the beef was only about firefox vs. iexplore.
[02:30] <__mikem> a web browser that is so full of holes it looks (and smells) like swiss chese
[02:30] <crweb> people expect it not to allow people to install spyware, adware, and virus.  IE is HIGHLY misunderstood.
[02:31] <ph0nk> lol
[02:31] <__mikem> thousands of exploit based virus installs per day
[02:31] <crweb> i'm just happy i can run it in Wine
[02:32] <__mikem> I compiled cedega from cvs to run bejeweled
[02:32] <klondike>  Excuse my intromision but  I think as  crweb
[02:32] <__mikem> that was weird
[02:32] <justanotheruser> wtf?
[02:32] <klondike> I was a windows user and I used Iexplorer and Firefox
[02:32] <__mikem> I thought that was what it said before
[02:32] <Riddell> apokryphos: can you set -t as well please
[02:32] <__mikem> I used to use ie, then I saw the light
[02:33] <klondike> I did a te st, eith Iexplorer I had some adware in  2 days
[02:33] <crweb> i never used IE
[02:33] <__mikem> good for you
[02:33] <klondike> with mozilla no one :-)
[02:33] <crweb> i just heard it was bad
[02:33] <crweb> figured it was on my own too
[02:34] <apokryphos> Riddell: sure
[02:34] <__mikem> the most pointless thing ever created by ms, the office paperclip
[02:34] <crweb> nah, he was just before his time
[02:34] <__mikem> thats one way of looking at it
[02:34] <crweb> and written poorly..
[02:34] <crweb> but we can't hold that against him
[02:35] <__mikem> I guess I can say one good thing about microsoft, they did a good job designing and implimenting the .NET framework/runtime
[02:35] <crweb> yeah.. it was amazing
[02:35] <crweb> they practically copy and pasted java
[02:35] <crweb> and stuff
[02:36] <__mikem> no, its way better than java
[02:36] <crweb> oh?
[02:36] <crweb> you mean you can run .net software on linux?
[02:36] <crweb> cause, it IS java
[02:36] <crweb> without crossplatform support
[02:36] <__mikem> ever hear of mono
[02:36] <crweb> umm, yes
[02:36] <crweb> heh
[02:36] <crweb> ironically i have
[02:37] <klondike> excuse I've to go here it's 2:3 0 AM
[02:37] <crweb> ;)
[02:37] <klondike> cu
[02:37] <__mikem> c ya
[02:37] <__mikem> From a programmers perspective, I find the c# programming language to be of better design than java
[02:37] <crweb> lol
[02:38] <DarkShock> even handling in Java/Swing sucks
[02:38] <crweb> the fact that, you can change just a few lines of java code, and compile it in C# doesn't bother you?
[02:38] <__mikem> that is not entirely true.
[02:39] <crweb> i'm sorry, but I'd rather have sun controlling that market than MS
[02:39] <__mikem> So would I, but the fact is microsoft has the better product
[02:39] <crweb> only because they ripped off java, and fixed a few of the people's complaints
[02:40] <DarkShock> with .NET, you are not tied to C# only
[02:40] <__mikem> its business, and microsoft is (unfortunately) good at it
[02:40] <crweb> with .NET you are tied to windows
[02:40] <crweb> thats what they really want
[02:40] <DarkShock> yes
[02:40] <crweb> sure, there is C# linux support
[02:40] <crweb> it's basic
[02:40] <DarkShock> it would be worse with Vista
[02:41] <__mikem> DarkSHock not true, you can use vb.net c++, ocml, java (j#) pascal (borland delphi), and many others
[02:41] <__mikem> ocAml rather
[02:41] <__mikem> they even have sml for .net
[02:41] <__mikem> I hate *ml based languages, but they are there
[02:41] <DarkShock> __mikem: re-read my sentence
[02:41] <crweb> __mikem: that's what he said
[02:41] <__mikem> oh, I didn't see the word NOT,
[02:41] <__mikem> sorry
[02:42] <crweb> __mikem: from a developers stand point, it was much much easier to make qt -> java bindings, than qt -> C#
[02:42] <__mikem> as far as minimul linux support for c#, I wouldn't really use c# for much more than whats supported, if you are talking about more intense apps, I would do it in c/c++
[02:42] <DarkShock> leave C# to GNOME
[02:42] <__mikem> I will also write assembly if I have to
[02:43] <crweb> I'm part of a team, making mono qt bindings
[02:43] <__mikem> cool
[02:43] <DarkShock> we are ok with C++/Qt, PyQt, PyKDE and Ruby
[02:43] <__mikem> I have been trying to track down a book on Qt for c++
[02:43] <DarkShock> __mikem: there is
[02:44] <__mikem> I am sure there is
[02:44] <crweb> __mikem: there is a good qt4 book, in the links on www.trolltech.com
[02:44] <DarkShock> __mikem: C++ GUI Programming with Qt3
[02:44] <crweb> __mikem: and its free
[02:44] <DarkShock> the Qt4 version isn't released yet
[02:44] <crweb> i heard june/july for C++ Gui programming with qt4
[02:44] <DarkShock> crweb: you are developing Qt mono bindings and you are bashing .NET, isn't a bit weird ?
[02:44] <crweb> there is a new book out though
[02:45] <crweb> DarkShock: we do what we do.
[02:45] <crweb> DarkShock: doesn't mean i support .net
[02:45] <__mikem> DarkShock I aggree with you
[02:45] <crweb> i support qt
[02:45] <__mikem> I support .net but I don't like the company, that is where I stand as weird as it is
[02:46] <crweb> i can't stand behind something that the community has no involvment with
[02:46] <crweb> the problem with mono is, it will always be catchup
[02:46] <DarkShock> I was a hobbist C# developer before moving to Linux/KDE
[02:46] <crweb> and MS can break it at any time
[02:46] <__mikem> all valid
[02:46] <crweb> http://www.informit.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0131879057&rl=1
[02:46] <__mikem> but why would they want to break it
[02:47] <crweb> __mikem: ask novell,  netscape, aol, or any other company that has relied on a microsoft library
[02:47] <crweb> http://www.trolltech.com/developer/books.html
[02:47] <crweb> the 2nd book on that list is free
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> .net is too slow
[02:47] <crweb> just create an account
[02:48] <__mikem> h3sp4wn I know how to write in x86 assembly also, is that fast enough for you?
[02:48] <crweb> it's only fast, if you know what you are doing
[02:48] <crweb> ;)
[02:48] <DarkShock> kubuntu-desktop dependency is a bit broken, if I try to remove kopete, it ask me to remove kubuntu and kdenetwork (which I don't want)
[02:48] <__mikem> true, but I have read plenty of books and wrote plenty of code
[02:49] <crweb> you need to look into history
[02:49] <crweb> on why you don't tie your applications to microsoft
[02:49] <crweb> more recent history
[02:49] <__mikem> I aggree, gnu should be doing is writing an open source version of .net, how does OpenNET sound to you
[02:49] <crweb> ad-aware, norton suite, avg antivirus
[02:49] <crweb> etc
[02:50] <crweb> sure, they can write it
[02:50] <crweb> but MS controlls the standard
[02:50] <crweb> if you want something "like" .net
[02:50] <__mikem> so you are saying that microsoft will dilliperately change it to circumvent the efforts of gnu
[02:50] <__mikem> all gnu needs to do is keep following them untill there are no changes they could posibly make without degrading the quality of the product
[02:50] <crweb> do you seriously doubt that they wouldn't?
[02:51] <__mikem> see above
[02:51] <crweb> heh
[02:51] <crweb> every upgrade
[02:51] <crweb> every service pack
[02:51] <crweb> look at what sp2 broke
[02:51] <__mikem> if thats what it takes to take down the man
[02:51] <crweb> they don't care
[02:52] <__mikem> Sooner or later, microsoft will fall, its just how it is
[02:52] <crweb> you will never catch up to .net
[02:52] <crweb> because, it's not open
[02:52] <crweb> theres nothing saying MS has to keep the API the way it is
[02:52] <crweb> you wrote your software in .net
[02:52] <DarkShock> __mikem: agreed
[02:52] <crweb> if MS changes, YOU change your code
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> mikem: Is there any examples on the net of programs you have worked on or written is assembler ?
[02:52] <crweb> __mikem: read the holloween letters,  MS did just that to novell constantly
[02:53] <__mikem> I have the source code for a disassembler I wrote a while ago, but its quite huge
[02:53] <__mikem> it was writen in c++ though
[02:53] <crweb> __mikem: look at what vista is going to break
[02:53] <__mikem> everything
[02:53] <crweb> __mikem: anything pre directx 10, won't work
[02:53] <crweb> that's every game ever made
[02:54] <DarkShock> UAP is a real joke in his current state according to websites
[02:54] <DarkShock> UAP = User Account Protection
[02:54] <crweb> you really think MS cares?
[02:54] <__mikem> NOpe
[02:54] <DarkShock> something UNIX has since the beginning
[02:54] <DarkShock> MS only care about your money
[02:54] <crweb> so what stops them from making changes just to break mono?
[02:54] <sheldonc> crweb: where the hell did you get this info from? <crweb> __mikem: anything pre directx 10, won't work
[02:54] <crweb> nothing right now, cause mono isn't a threat
[02:55] <__mikem> The ironic thing is, microsoft is afraid of the linux camp
[02:55] <crweb> sheldonc: from the new sublayer for opengl/directx
[02:55] <__mikem> because they know linux is better, all someone needs to do is create a good linux distro and market it properly
[02:55] <sheldonc> crweb: but what doc says that no legacy games will be supported?
[02:55] <__mikem> ubuntu could have been that distro if someone would put some investment into marketing
[02:56] <__mikem> crweb, this is where you are going to have to back up your claims, good luck
[02:56] <crweb> unless they cancelled the new graphics later, directx 9 was not compatable
[02:56] <crweb> and opengl was going to run on top of directx 10
[02:58] <crweb> ok, looks like they made a DX9 LDDM driver
[02:58] <crweb> my bad
[02:58] <DarkShock> crweb: didn't read that
[02:59] <crweb> http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX-10-and-so-it-ends-7762.shtml
[03:00] <DarkShock> Vista isn't the Windows release that MS will cut backwards compability
[03:00] <XVampireX> Hi
[03:00] <crweb> that was september of 2005
[03:00] <crweb> so maybe they changed their minds
[03:01] <XVampireX> Can anyone please tell me if there's some package in the repositories which combines everything to startup with programming?
[03:01] <sheldonc> crweb: "Even so, dear Microsoft hasn't totally forgotten us. Some sort of compatibility will be available through a software layer (probably some emulation)"
[03:01] <crweb> right, but the fact is, they broke it
[03:01] <DarkShock> XVampireX: build-essential ?
[03:02] <crweb> you really want to play your games emulated?
[03:02] <crweb> there's already speed issues
[03:02] <XVampireX> Is that just the libraries? What about the programs...?
[03:02] <DarkShock> XVampireX: the basic thing you need to compile a software
[03:02] <crweb> sheldonc: you think the emulation will be good?
[03:02] <___mikem> sorry, my laptop died so I couldn't respond, what did I miss
[03:03] <DarkShock> XVampireX: I would do "apt-get install build-essential automake1.9 kdelibs4-dev unsermake"
[03:03] <crweb> ___mikem: directx pre 10 was cut, but probably will run in an emulation layer
[03:03] <sheldonc> crweb: no, but it is somewhat supported
[03:03] <___mikem> emulation never works as well, and it probably will have limited support
[03:03] <___mikem> too much overhead in most cases
[03:04] <sheldonc> it will probably run total annihilation though, thats all that matters :P
[03:04] <crweb> lol
[03:04] <crweb> hopefully
[03:04] <crweb> that was DX5 though
[03:04] <crweb> or 6
[03:04] <XVampireX> DarkShock: Thanks, say, does it by any chance include Python?
[03:04] <___mikem> ALl I care about is bejeweled chessmaster and rollercoaster tycoon
[03:04] <DarkShock> XVampireX: add kdesdk to that list, now ready to compile a KDE software :)
[03:04] <DarkShock> XVampireX: I don't think so
[03:04] <___mikem> One thing I am worried about, will FInale still work?
[03:04] <XVampireX> Oh, so I'll have to install it manually, oh well :P
[03:05] <crweb> ___mikem: can  you not do that in wine?
[03:05] <XVampireX> What's a good IDE for python?
[03:05] <crweb> ___mikem: i've had rollerc, in wine before
[03:05] <___mikem> I use the cvs version of cedega
[03:05] <crweb> i do to
[03:05] <crweb> sometimes wine is better though
[03:05] <DarkShock> XVampireX: I haven't looked at Python yet
[03:05] <crweb> specially lately
[03:06] <XVampireX> Ah, alright
[03:06] <___mikem> for games you generally want to use cedega
[03:06] <XVampireX> Cause I want to learn programming, and I hear Python is good for starters?
[03:06] <___mikem> I recomend learning c as a first language, its difficult, but if you stick with it, its worth it
[03:06] <crweb> ___mikem: for instance freelancer,  wine only
[03:06] <jjesse> !ubuiquity
[03:06] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jjesse
[03:06] <jjesse> !espresso
[03:06] <ubotu> jjesse: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:06] <crweb> XVampireX: python is very good for starters
[03:07] <___mikem> !ping
[03:07] <ubotu> pong
[03:07] <DarkShock> XVampireX: I heard that too
[03:07] <XVampireX> Yeah, hehe
[03:07] <justanotheruser> XVampireX: i hear good things about eric3
[03:07] <crweb> XVampireX: i recommend not learning languages, and instead learning "how to program"
[03:07] <Seantater> I use and would recommend python
[03:07] <___mikem> I may be just a 17 year old code monkey, but I think he should learn c first
[03:07] <HymnToLife> amen to crweb
[03:07] <XVampireX> Say, would Python work well for netcode?
[03:08] <Seantater> probably
[03:08] <Seantater> There's php too
[03:08] <XVampireX> crweb: Yes, That's what I want :P
[03:08] <Seantater> But I -think_ google uses python...
[03:08] <XVampireX> What's eric3?
[03:08] <crweb> XVampireX: start building algorithms and stuff
[03:08] <Seantater> A python IDE
[03:08] <XVampireX> Ah
[03:08] <justanotheruser> yes: http://www.linuxjournal.com/articles/web/2004-08/7739/7739f1.png
[03:08] <XVampireX> I'll check it out
[03:08] <crweb> XVampireX: make lists in python, and sort them, learn all the sorts, learn how to make lists, and storage methods
[03:09] <___mikem> does pythos support pointers?
[03:09] <crweb> learn how to "think" and problem solve, language independant
[03:09] <XVampireX> Yeah, cause I have had a little project I designed, got someone to help me out. But he said C# (Since he was using C#) that netcode will be slower on interpreted languages
[03:09] <___mikem> *python rather
[03:09] <DarkShock> no pointer in Python
[03:09] <___mikem> darnit
[03:09] <DarkShock> XVampireX: what is your little project
[03:09] <XVampireX> Is Bittorrent protocol completely based on Python?
[03:09] <___mikem> then whats the point
[03:10] <crweb> XVampireX: i learned qt without knowing any c++
[03:10] <crweb> XVampireX: qt takes care of a lot of stuff for you
[03:10] <XVampireX> Yes, I saw that :)
[03:10] <DarkShock> XVampireX: yes
[03:10] <crweb> sometimes, i resort to qt, for basic console apps
[03:10] <XVampireX> My "little" project is Peer to Peer net code
[03:10] <XVampireX> for MMORPGs
[03:10] <crweb> its just nice
[03:10] <___mikem> Ive seen python source code, it looks like a nice clean language, but in my book, lack of pointer support is a no-no
[03:11] <Seantater> Anyone know where I can get help on PyKDE, I never could figure it out..
[03:11] <crweb> it's nice to learn algorithms, and stuff, without having to worry about memory managment
[03:11] <XVampireX> Yeah, If Python is efficient enough for Net Code, that would be just great!
[03:12] <crweb> if you're wanting to "learn how to think"  yo uodn't want to be fighting with pointers and dynamic memory 95% of the time
[03:12] <saaida> guys : how i can enable swap files ?
[03:12] <___mikem> I am sorry, but I have always been a masocist
[03:12] <DarkShock> crweb: you have a point
[03:12] <crweb> I program in pseudo code
[03:12] <crweb> i think in pseudo code,
[03:12] <___mikem> once I wrote a very simplistic windows app in assembly language just so I could say I did
[03:12] <DarkShock> I think in pseudo C++
[03:12] <crweb> then i pick a language after the functin is done
[03:12] <crweb> right
[03:13] <crweb> well, WE do that
[03:13] <crweb> cause we know C++ now
[03:13] <Seantater> saaida: read up of swapon
[03:13] <yanis> hah ___mikem
[03:13] <crweb> but if you know nothing about language syntax
[03:13] <Seantater> saaida: try doing swapon /path/to/swapfile
[03:13] <crweb> you are going to waste ALL of your time, trying to figure out if you passed by value, refference, or did i pass a pointer?
[03:13] <XVampireX> I got a friend who is studying multiple languages in school
[03:13] <dj_goku> crweb: use java then =)
[03:14] <crweb> learn the algorithms and problem solving
[03:14] <yanis> you're right crweb
[03:14] <crweb> get a book to do syntax
[03:14] <__mikem> took long enough
[03:14] <crweb> give me 2 days, i can write you stuff in any language
[03:14] <crweb> just give me a syntax book
[03:14] <crweb> well..
[03:15] <crweb> maybe not asm
[03:15] <dj_goku> haha
[03:15] <__mikem> I know asm, haha
[03:15] <__mikem> lol
[03:15] <__mikem> jk
[03:15] <yanis> crweb: some lang are complicated
[03:15] <yanis> crweb: not every language is like C
[03:15] <dj_goku> I like Java so far.
[03:15] <crweb> i use scheme, java, c++ c, python, perl
[03:15] <crweb> c# now
[03:15] <__mikem> BASIC, SML, CAML, OCAML, PASCAL, non c like languages
[03:16] <crweb> my point is,  a sort algorithm is a sort algorithm
[03:16] <__mikem> APL?
[03:16] <crweb> if you can't sort something
[03:16] <crweb> it doesn't matter what language you use
[03:16] <__mikem> crweb, how about APL?
[03:16] <crweb> and if you just learn a langauge
[03:16] <crweb> how do you even know sorting exists
[03:17] <ubuntu> hi folks.  have a simple question:  was going to install kubuntu's latest beta, but the installer from the live cd is not working properly.  am i better off installing the latest stable? i would like to dual boot w/ windoze
[03:17] <dj_goku> __mikem: what is apl?
[03:17] <crweb> yeah, not familiar with apl
[03:17] <HymnToLife> ubuntu > I would install Breezy then upgrade to Dapper, yes
[03:17] <__mikem> APL = A Programming Language (Literally), its an obscure language that requir3es a special keyboard and uses mathematical notation for expressions
[03:18] <dj_goku> oh
[03:18] <ubuntu> hymn, thx, that's what i was thinking.  thx man.
[03:18] <crweb> if you know how to sort,  to sort in APL, guess you would need the keyboard, and a book to give you syntax
[03:18] <getafix> does anyone have any idea when i try to play a cd using amarok that it stutters?
[03:18] <getafix> also any idea why i can
[03:18] <HymnToLife> !tell getafix about dma
[03:18] <getafix> 't change the resolution above 1024
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> getafix: amarok-xine ?
[03:19] <crweb> if you know the stuff to get the job done,  even if it's english sentances, you understand enough you can adapt
[03:19] <XVampireX> Yeah, you need to use xine
[03:19] <crweb> to any language
[03:19] <__mikem> insidently, sorting in asm is easy if you are using the c runtime library functions
[03:19] <getafix> xine is installed
[03:19] <getafix> i installed i think
[03:19] <getafix> through adept?
[03:19] <XVampireX> It doesn't matter through what
[03:19] <XVampireX> Go to configurations and see if xine is chosen
[03:19] <getafix> haha hey mikem
[03:19] <XVampireX> is Engine
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> getafix - you need to make sure amarok-xine is installed (will remove amarok-gstreamer)
[03:19] <flack> anyone: Can I get help, Im trying to install a tv tuner card onto my computer, but I fail at life. I have narrowed it down to this walkthrough: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=KubuntuHowTo
[03:19] <getafix> logans brother?
[03:20] <__mikem> hello getafix
[03:20] <getafix> still in central?
[03:20] <flack> FATAL: Module ivtv not found.
[03:20] <flack> anyone: modprobe ivtv echos ^^^
[03:21] <XVampireX> WOW! Eric is a HEAVY IDE.
[03:22] <XVampireX> And I mean it in a good way
[03:22] <__mikem> does it have a wysiwyg
[03:22] <flack> Any help guys? :-(
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> what is ivtv suppost to be ?
[03:23] <__mikem> tv tuner I think h3sp4wn
[03:23] <__mikem> brb
[03:23] <flack> h3sp4wn?
[03:24] <__mikem> back
[03:24] <flack> Oh, wow, never mind
[03:24] <flack> its a tv tuner card
[03:24] <flack> (or drivers for it)
[03:24] <tarmath> any of you know how to view the differences between 2 language locales? or some ressource that would help be about it?
[03:25] <DarkShock> which two languages ?
[03:25] <getafix> anyone know why konsole is telling me that sudo gedit command isn't found?
[03:25] <XVampireX> mikem: No but it has integration with QT toolkits
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> flack: free or non-free ?
[03:25] <flack> getafix: Is gedit installed?
[03:25] <tarmath> DarkShock: lets say no_NO and nn_NO
[03:25] <flack> h3sp4wn: free
[03:25] <getafix> haha hah appernetly not cheers flack
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> flack: included in which package ?
[03:26] <flack> getafix: :-P
[03:26] <flack> h3sp4wn: Downloaded the source from the site I linked you to, apt-get didn't have it
[03:27] <DarkShock> tarmath: like en_US and en_GB, but no idea how to compare two locales
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> flack: there is no link being pasted in here in recent past
[03:28] <flack> http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=KubuntuHowTo
[03:28] <getafix> heh reading news about vista today inspired me to come and learning kubuntu better and get it set up sweet
[03:28] <getafix> ahh learn
[03:29] <tarmath> DarkShock: are en_US and en_GB really different?
[03:29] <rootvik> hi
[03:29] <DarkShock> tarmath: yes
[03:30] <tarmath> DarkShock: bleh!
[03:30] <__mikem> does anyone have a screenshot of kubuntu dapper
[03:30] <tarmath> no info available anywhere dang it!
[03:30] <DarkShock> __mikem: I can make you one, but I changed the color scheme a bit
[03:30] <tarmath> __mikem: man there's dapper screenshots everywhere just google for em
[03:31] <rootvik> im kubuntu install
[03:31] <tarmath> hi rootvik
[03:32] <krenx> How do i enable Universe and Multiverse repos  ?
[03:32] <rootvik> hi tarmath
[03:32] <flack> h3sp4wn: Any ideas why modprobe would echo not found?
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> flack: what directory are you running modprobe from ? did it make successfully ?
[03:33] <HymnToLife> krenx> ksudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list - remove the # at he beginning of lines wentioning Universe/Multiverse
[03:33] <HymnToLife> sudo* sorry
[03:33] <flack> h3sp4wn: Im just running it from the ivtv/drivers/ directory, and yes, it did make successfully
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> flack: do ls -l | grep -i ivtv
[03:34] <tarmath> the directory you're running modprobe from doesnt matter, your module has to be in the right folder
[03:34] <tarmath> you ran make install too right?
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> you need to run depmod -a
[03:35] <flack> h3sp4wn: Everything in there is with the prefix iptv-, I did run makeinstall, havn't tired depmod -a, Ill do that now
[03:36] <krenx> HymnToLife:  thx
[03:36] <h3sp4wn> flack: is iptv.ko there ?
[03:36] <flack> h3sp4wn: Same erro :-( (after running depmod -a)
[03:37] <h3sp4wn> or ivtv.ko sorry
[03:37] <flack> h3sp4wn: Yes, it is there
[03:38] <justanotheruser> the dates on the frontpage of kubuntu.org don't match
[03:38] <Hobbsee> !tell krenx about repos
[03:38] <h3sp4wn> flack: insmod ./ivtv.ko
[03:38] <__mikem> I can't find any screen shots with the origonal theme
[03:39] <flack> h3sp4wn: insmod: error inserting './ivtv.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> flack: did you run that with sudo ?
[03:40] <flack> h3sp4wn: yes
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> flack: otherwise try using modprobe ./ivtv.ko
[03:41] <flack> h3sp4wn: FATAL: Module ./ivtv.ko not found.
[03:42] <flack> h3sp4wn: ><
[03:44] <flack> h3sp4wn: Any other ideas? (I really appreciate all the help you've tried to give so far :-) )
[03:44] <__mikem> finally, found some, and not to shabby
[03:47] <andre_> My kde fonts are abnormally tiny...   this happened after a recent system update. I'm running dapper drake, I use kde but I use GDM as my login manager, so the known bug about KDM doesn't apply.  can anyone offer any other advice?
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> flack: Do you have a copy of the firmware ?
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> flack: it says '    *  Copy the appropriate firmware into /lib/modules '
[03:49] <flack> h3sp4wn: Erm, no :-(
[03:50] <flack> h3sp4wn: What does that mean? I dont know where to get the firmware? or which to use?
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> flack: try http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu (seems more complete)
[03:54] <flack> h3sp4wn: Thanks much!
[03:56] <krenx> whats the command to entering desktop? kdm start dont work wtf? :P
[03:56] <__mikem> ok I am back
[03:58] <ablyss> krenx sudo /etc/init.t/kdm start
[03:59] <krenx> yea
[03:59] <krenx> dont work, i think i messed a cfg file up lol
[03:59] <ablyss> what is your error
[04:00] <krenx> says nothing
[04:00] <krenx> nothing happens
[04:00] <ablyss> maybe you're on tty1
[04:00] <krenx> tty1  ?
[04:00] <mo0se> how do you install an .rpm thingie?
[04:01] <bimberi> krenx: how about startx ?
[04:01] <krenx> i saw tty1 somewhere :P
[04:01] <ablyss> press control+alt+F7
[04:01] <ablyss> doesn't make since though.. typing sudo ./gdm start should give you some sort of feedback
[04:02] <ablyss> or ./kdm in your case
[04:02] <ablyss> moOSE, install alien
[04:02] <bimberi> mo0se: you can use "alien", are you sure there's no ubuntu package available?
[04:02] <bimberi> !alien
[04:02] <ubotu> I heard alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Its use is discouraged, as it could create serious problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[04:03] <ablyss> mo0se, install alien then type sudo alien --install rpm_app.rpm
[04:03] <ablyss> alien has been most helpful for me
[04:04] <__mikem> why is its use discouraged then?
[04:04] <ablyss> but i stick with redhat 9 rpms
[04:04] <ablyss> well probably because its not supported by ubuntu
[04:04] <krenx> gah
[04:04] <nsm> um this might sound stupid but i screwed up my kde fonts, i am using kubuntu 5.10
[04:05] <mo0se> woo! me too.
[04:05] <mo0se> :P
[04:05] <nsm> restroing defaults just restores all of them to sans serif
[04:05] <krenx> startx or gdm start dont work
[04:05] <ablyss> i installed wine using alien and vice versa
[04:05] <nsm> can anyone please list the font for each type eg. Menu, toolbar, from kcontrol fonts
[04:05] <nsm> the default, kubuntu look good fonts
[04:06] <ablyss> hmm
[04:06] <ablyss> DejaVu Sans is what i use.
[04:07] <bimberi> ablyss: i guess you were lucky then (with alien) :-)
[04:07] <ablyss> yeah.. i prefer to stick with deb if possible
[04:08] <ablyss> only on last desperate apps that I most have
[04:08] <ablyss> most/must
[04:10] <getafix> whats the kill command for stuff?
[04:11] <getafix> like say a program crashes how can i just kill it
[04:11] <ablyss> several ways
[04:12] <ablyss> but typically a program that has crash is killed anyway.. those that hang or go into a bottleneck will need to be killed
[04:13] <getafix> well adept appears to have crashed
[04:13] <getafix> and its hogging all the resources
[04:13] <chip42> getafix: kill or killall.. i.e. killall -9 adept
[04:13] <ablyss> getafix, 1 use the GUI by running xkill, 2. type kill -9 PID 3. killall -9 app signature
[04:13] <mo0se> is it possible to view and modify files in an ntfs partition?
[04:14] <mo0se> from kuuuubuuuntuuuu?
[04:14] <getafix> operation not permitted?
[04:14] <ablyss> mo0se, only if you're savvy with hex editing ;-)
[04:14] <chip42> getafix: adept is running as root... you will have to kill it as root
[04:14] <getafix> ahh done
[04:14] <getafix> yeha
[04:14] <mo0se> really?
[04:14] <getafix> sudo means run as root?
[04:15] <mo0se> that sucks.
[04:15] <ablyss> mo0se, viewing is okay
[04:15] <chip42> getafix: yeah
[04:15] <__mikem> sudo means run as root to a degree, there are still things you can't do, as specified by the sudoers file
[04:15] <Hobbsee> mo0se: view, yes, modify no.
[04:15] <ablyss> but editing is not possible unless you use a special tool
[04:15] <getafix> sweet
[04:15] <__mikem> you can use su to become root though
[04:15] <getafix> ahh ta
[04:16] <mo0se> can i move them from the ntfs partition to my kubuntu partition?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> mo0se: yep
[04:16] <ablyss> no
[04:16] <ablyss> you can only copy
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh, my error
[04:16] <__mikem> I kind of have an embarasing confession, right now I am on a fedora core machine because my ubuntu box overheated and died
[04:17] <ablyss> i guess if you delete the originals after copy you can say there are now moved :P
[04:17] <stevekl> mo0se: moving implies that you delete it after you copy it, you see
[04:17] <mo0se> oh.
[04:17] <mo0se> okay..
[04:17] <stevekl> And you can't delete things on an ntfs drive
[04:17] <stevekl> But you can copy it
[04:17] <mo0se> so how do i copy it to my linux partition?
[04:17] <mo0se> i seem to be having problems with that.
[04:17] <mo0se> it gives me an error whenever i try.
[04:18] <ablyss> now getting things complicated.. say he runs bochs and loads a windows and is able to mount this partition with the files.. maybe he can...... oh never mind
[04:18] <getafix> how can i amke this realize my video card and change refresh rates and resolution
[04:18] <getafix> i used adept and got the nvidia tool but i don't know how to run that tool?
[04:19] <mo0se> people seem to keep saying i have to mount the partition...
[04:19] <mo0se> it's already mounted...
[04:20] <mo0se> i think... i mean... i can see it in konqueror...
[04:20] <__mikem> go into a terminal and mount it mount -o rw <name of partition>
[04:20] <stevekl> mo0se: Are you trying to do this in the console or in konquerer?
[04:20] <mo0se> uhm...
[04:20] <mo0se> konqueror.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mo0se: then just copy the files that you want over
[04:20] <__mikem> bad idea
[04:20] <stevekl> mo0se: go into a console and type 'mount', that will show you everything that you have mounted
[04:20] <stevekl> if it's not on that list, then it's not mounted
[04:20] <mo0se> okay.
[04:21] <ablyss> mo0se, so do you get "you dont have the right privileges to move the file" ??
[04:21] <mo0se> how do i get to the console?
[04:21] <__mikem> when I first started out, mounting was a hard concept to get
[04:21] <mo0se> no. i don't see any files.
[04:21] <stevekl> open the program called 'konsole'
[04:21] <mo0se> it gives me an error.
[04:21] <getafix> Warning: your X configuration has been succesfully changed.
[04:21] <getafix> In order to take full advantage of the changes, X needs to
[04:21] <getafix> be restarted.
[04:21] <getafix> does that mean just restart kubuntu?
[04:21] <stevekl> type alt+f2 and enter 'konsole' in the box
[04:21] <ablyss> getafix, no
[04:22] <ablyss> getafix, means restart kdm
[04:22] <mo0se> it shows "/dev/sda2 on /media/sda2 type ntfs (rw)"
[04:22] <getafix> and kdm is?
[04:22] <__mikem> no, it means log out, hit cntrl alt backspace, kill off x, and restart it
[04:22] <stevekl> getafix: no, restart X by logging out, and when you're at the login thingie, press ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X
[04:22] <stevekl> and you SHOULD be restarted into X
[04:22] <mo0se> that means it's mounted, right?
[04:22] <stevekl> if you're not, lt me know
[04:22] <getafix> ok cool
[04:22] <stevekl> mo0se: yeah that looks right
[04:22] <stevekl> mo0se: ok do you know how ot navigate around the directories, with cd and stuff?
[04:23] <mo0se> yeah. so when i try to access it in konqueror, it says "could not enter folder /media/sda2."
[04:23] <stevekl> well, do this
[04:23] <stevekl> First, "sudo -s"
[04:23] <stevekl> that will bring you into superuser mode
[04:23] <mo0se> okay.
[04:23] <stevekl> it will ask you for your password
[04:23] <mo0se> now it says root@ubuntu:
[04:23] <stevekl> ok good
[04:23] <stevekl> now do "cd /media/sda2"
[04:23] <ablyss> __mikem, now is your method of restarting X better than my way .. i.e., sudo /etc/init.t/kdm restart ?
[04:24] <__mikem> you could have also just typed su
[04:24] <XVampireX> Awesome introduction to Python: http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld/
[04:24] <getafix> sorry what do i do to kill x again i ctrl al backspaced out and forgot
[04:24] <getafix> haha
[04:24] <mo0se> what will that do?
[04:24] <stevekl> __mikem: su would have asked him for his ROOT password. sudo -s asks him for his user's password
[04:24] <__mikem> I don't know ablyss,
[04:24] <mo0se> what is my root password?
[04:24] <stevekl> mo0se: that will change directory to /media/sda2
[04:24] <__mikem> oh
[04:24] <stevekl> mo0se: you don't have one probably
[04:24] <ablyss> __mikem, i dont know either :-)
[04:24] <mo0se> aah...
[04:24] <stevekl> you don't need one, either
[04:24] <__mikem> moOse, you need to set that up
[04:24] <__mikem> to do so, just type sudo passwd root
[04:24] <stevekl> Well you might need one but that's another show
[04:25] <stevekl> one thing at a time, __mikem :)
[04:25] <__mikem> lol ok
[04:25] <mo0se> ohh... i think i remember this from a little tutorial thingie...
[04:25] <stevekl> mo0se: ok are you in /media/sda2
[04:25] <mo0se> but vaguely..
[04:25] <mo0se> heh..
[04:25] <mo0se> yeah.
[04:25] <stevekl> ok, do you see anything if you type "ls"?
[04:25] <mo0se> yeah...
[04:25] <mo0se> all the stuff from my windows partition.
[04:25] <stevekl> ok
[04:25] <mo0se> like... windows, documents and settings, etc.
[04:25] <__mikem> its mounted, we know that
[04:26] <stevekl> now do you need help finding and copying what you need?
[04:26] <mo0se> yup.
[04:26] <mo0se> i can't do it from konqueror at all?
[04:26] <stevekl> mo0se: well you can, i'm just showing you how to do it from the console
[04:26] <__mikem> for this sort of thing its easier to deal with the console than with the gui in my oppinion
[04:26] <mo0se> okay. i'll look up on how to do it.
[04:26] <stevekl> I agree
[04:27] <mo0se> i saw it somewhere... but that was a long time ago.
[04:27] <stevekl> Well we can help if you want
[04:27] <mo0se> it had like... examples with zoo animals and stuff.
[04:27] <mo0se> heheh.
[04:27] <__mikem> just do mv filename newfilename
[04:27] <stevekl> just change directory to whatever "cd blah/blah/"
[04:27] <stevekl> well he'll need to use cp
[04:27] <stevekl> mv won't work
[04:28] <stevekl> Or it will work but it may give him an error I think
[04:28] <__mikem> oh, yeh, forgot, the partition is write protected
[04:28] <mo0se> oh wait... how do i get access to a folder that has spaces?
[04:28] <getafix> how do i run nvidia settings?
[04:28] <__mikem> put a \ before the space
[04:28] <stevekl> mo0se: well, you can tab complete, do you know what that is?
[04:28] <mo0se> nope./
[04:28] <getafix> man you guys must love us newbies
[04:28] <getafix> haha
[04:28] <mo0se> :P
[04:28] <stevekl> well
[04:28] <__mikem> like for instance, Program\ Files
[04:29] <mo0se> okay. i'll try.
[04:29] <mo0se> thanks mike.
[04:29] <__mikem> yw
[04:29] <stevekl> mo0se: if you have a file called "rabbit" and you type out "ra" and hit tab, it should complete out to 'rabbit' for you
[04:29] <mo0se> ls
[04:29] <mo0se> woops.
[04:29] <stevekl> mo0se: so try typing the first few letters of the directory that has spaces in it and press tab
[04:29] <__mikem> you got to love bash
[04:29] <mo0se> cool.
[04:29] <stevekl> I gotta brb
[04:30] <__mikem> hb
[04:30] <__mikem> so, once you find the file, just do cp filename ~filename which should plop the file in your homedirrectory
[04:30] <mo0se> i do it and it doesn't do anything.
[04:30] <__mikem> ~/filename rather
[04:30] <mo0se> that tab enter thingie.
[04:31] <__mikem> you don't need to use it
[04:31] <__mikem> what folder are you trying to get into
[04:31] <__mikem> whats the name
[04:31] <mo0se> i just wanna try it 'cause it seems faster.
[04:31] <mo0se> heheh.
[04:32] <mo0se> Citizen Cope
[04:32] <mo0se> is the folder.
[04:32] <__mikem> cd Citizen\ Cope
[04:32] <mo0se> yeah. that's been working.
[04:32] <mo0se> i feel cool now...
[04:32] <mo0se> moohaha...
[04:32] <__mikem> lol
[04:32] <__mikem> go with what works, learn how to use special shell features later
[04:33] <mo0se> okay... so i see the files...
[04:33] <mo0se> and i do cp "filename"
[04:33] <mo0se> right?
[04:33] <__mikem> um, no
[04:33] <mo0se> oh.
[04:33] <__mikem> give me the name of a file you want to move
[04:33] <mo0se> 05 - Mistaken I.D.mp3
[04:34] <mo0se> maybe i shoulda given you a shorter name.
[04:34] <mo0se> hahaha.
[04:34] <__mikem> ok, cp "05 - Mistaken I.D.mp3" "~/05 - Mistaken I.D.mp3"
[04:35] <__mikem> should move the file into your home dirrectory
[04:35] <__mikem> just give that a try
[04:35] <mo0se> what does ~/ mean?
[04:35] <__mikem> ~ means your current home dirrectory
[04:35] <__mikem> its just shorthand, so you don't have to type /home/username/
[04:36] <__mikem> just for the record, I have only been using linux for a few months, and I am still learning myself, just take it easy, learn not to be intimidated by the shell
[04:37] <mo0se> brb.
[04:37] <__mikem> hb
[04:40] <mo0se> what's hb?
[04:40] <__mikem> hurry back
[04:40] <mo0se> oh.
[04:40] <mrphonk> :)
[04:40] <mo0se> haha.
[04:40] <__mikem> lol
[04:40] <mo0se> okay..
[04:40] <mo0se> i just kinda like...
[04:41] <mo0se> got myself back to some folder i don't know...
[04:41] <mo0se> is there a way to like... get to a folder really fast?
[04:41] <mrphonk> type the foldername fast :D
[04:41] <mo0se> danggggg.
[04:41] <__mikem> nope, sorry, Ive done it myself, hate it when that happens, but I don't hknow of any quick fix
[04:41] <mo0se> xP
[04:41] <__mikem> lol @ mrphonk
[04:42] <mo0se> can i copy a whole folder?
[04:42] <__mikem> um, let me try copying a directory here, just to see
[04:43] <mo0se> it says omitting directory... fudge...
[04:44] <krenx> !nvidia
[04:44] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:45] <mrphonk> to copy the whole dir do cp -r dirname newplace
[04:45] <mo0se> no quotes?
[04:45] <mrphonk> for example... cp -r music downloads/music
[04:45] <__mikem> the quotes are an alternative notation to the \ notation I showed you
[04:46] <mo0se> ah...
[04:46] <mrphonk> to move the entire dir you use mv dirname newplace
[04:46] <mo0se> son of a hoe.
[04:47] <mrphonk> ?
[04:47] <mo0se> i got it to copy... i think...
[04:47] <__mikem> what happened?
[04:47] <robotgeek> !language
[04:47] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[04:47] <mo0se> now i don't have permission.
[04:47] <mrphonk> chmod
[04:47] <__mikem> cp -fr might also work
[04:47] <mo0se> what does -r do?
[04:47] <__mikem> r means recursive,
[04:48] <mrphonk> type "man cp" for the manual of the cp-command.
[04:48] <mo0se> okay.
[04:48] <__mikem> if he has permission problems, he might be able to use cp -fr filename newplace
[04:48] <__mikem> mrphonk right
[04:49] <mrphonk> Maybe, but afaik it will only help him if he needs to force it (e.g. the file is in use and shouldn't be copied)
[04:49] <mo0se> i don't get why i don't have permission./
[04:49] <__mikem> oh, true
[04:50] <__mikem> are you root right now
[04:50] <__mikem> ?
[04:50] <mo0se> i thought i was...
[04:50] <__mikem> does the prompt end in a # or a $
[04:50] <mrphonk> mo0se: did you do "sudo cp -r" ?
[04:50] <mo0se> #
[04:50] <__mikem> ok, so you are root
[04:50] <VRWarper> depends
[04:50] <mo0se> nope.
[04:50] <VRWarper> oops
[04:50] <mo0se> i did cp.
[04:50] <mrphonk> ok, but if you are root it shouldn't matter.
[04:51] <__mikem> strange
[04:51] <mo0se> i'm root in the konsole.
[04:51] <mo0se> but not in konqueror??
[04:51] <VRWarper> right
[04:51] <mo0se> is that possible?
[04:51] <VRWarper> yes
[04:51] <VRWarper> its expected
[04:51] <__mikem> I don't think it matters
[04:51] <mrphonk> do "gksudo konqueror" ?
[04:51] <mo0se> hmm..
[04:51] <mo0se> lemme see if i can execute the files in the folder..
[04:51] <robotgeek> kdesu konqueror
[04:52] <mrphonk> sorry...
[04:52] <mrphonk> it's late here =)
[04:52] <__mikem> same here, but I just don't feel like turning in yet
[04:52] <mo0se> what does kdesu konqueror doo?
[04:52] <mrphonk> me neither... but actually it's 04:52 am
[04:52] <__mikem> hope you don't have work
[04:53] <robotgeek> mo0se: gives you a konqueror with root privleges, be very careful
[04:53] <mo0se> oh cool...
[04:53] <__mikem> This is why I only use the terminal for this sort of thing
[04:53] <mo0se> why do i have to be careful?
[04:53] <VRWarper> you can destroy your install
[04:53] <__mikem> because while you are root, one slip of the mouse could trash your instalation
[04:53] <VRWarper> :)
[04:53] <mrphonk> No, i'm free this week.
[04:53] <__mikem> lucky you
[04:54] <mrphonk> Yeah. I let my girlfriend work instead :)
[04:54] <mrphonk> I'm taking care of the computers...
[04:54] <mo0se> that kdesu doesn't work with amarok...
[04:54] <mo0se> heh...
[04:54] <__mikem> lol thats not nice
[04:54] <VRWarper> why do you need to run amarok in root?
[04:54] <mo0se> i have no idea.
[04:54] <mo0se> hahaha.
[04:54] <mrphonk> lol
[04:54] <mo0se> i tried to play the mp3 files.
[04:54] <mo0se> and they won't play..
[04:55] <mo0se> so i thought maybe i didn't have permission to play them?
[04:55] <mo0se> meh?
[04:55] <__mikem> if you go to the run window, you can use a regular su command to launch gui apps as root
[04:55] <VRWarper> the first user has permission to audio
[04:55] <mo0se> it says some media could not be loaded at the bottom of amarok.
[04:55] <mrphonk> __mikem: can u play any mp3-files at all?
[04:55] <VRWarper> do you know what a media is?
[04:55] <__mikem> yes, but you need a special plug in to do so
[04:55] <mo0se> uhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........
[04:55] <__mikem> !mp3
[04:55] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[04:55] <ubotu> well, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:56] <mo0se> wah...
[04:56] <mrphonk> there were the link i was looking for.
[04:57] <mo0se> i thought the multiverse was like...
[04:57] <mo0se> ...
[04:57] <mo0se> hahaha...
[04:57] <mo0se> nevermind..
[04:57] <mrphonk> __mikem: So the next time you'll be ripping a CD, remember to use .ogg instead.  Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:58] <mrphonk> __mikem: why do you prefeer mp3?
[04:58] <VRWarper> well its not just ipods,, its much easier to get mp3 support than ogg
[04:58] <mo0se> doodeedoo..
[04:58] <stevekl> Seriously, who owns the mp3 format?
[04:58] <VRWarper> there are a few companies, like iriver, that "support" ogg
[04:58] <robotgeek> stevekl: fraunhoffer insitute
[04:58] <__mikem> because they are guarinteed to play on most portable media players, as apposed to ogg
[04:58] <stevekl> franwho whatstithuh
[04:58] <mrphonk> stevekl: I wish i did... and then i would get one cent for everytime someone played a mp3-file.
[04:59] <mrphonk> __mikem: Then buy a portable media player that supports ogg? We have the power to change! (i say that with the voice of a big politician or something...)
[04:59] <mo0se> it says the package is unavailable...
[04:59] <__mikem> lol, I like my Muvo2 quite fine thankyou
[05:00] <mrphonk> mo0se: wich package?
[05:00] <VRWarper> but what if you already have a media player?
[05:00] <mo0se> gstreamer0.8 or something?
[05:00] <__mikem> mrphonk kindly walk moose through modifying his sources.list file for me, I am too tired
[05:00] <__mikem> lol
[05:00] <mo0se> it says to type in "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:00] <mo0se> and i did..
[05:00] <mo0se> and it was it's missing, obsolete, or avalable from another source.
[05:01] <VRWarper> do
[05:01] <VRWarper> apt-cache search gstreamer
[05:01] <robotgeek> mo0se: are you on breezy?
[05:01] <mo0se> yeah.
[05:01] <mo0se> breeeeezy kubuntu.
[05:01] <robotgeek> mo0se: you need to enable multiverse repository.
[05:01] <robotgeek> !repos
[05:01] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:02] <robotgeek> mo0se: check the first link in above ^^
[05:02] <mrphonk> great, i just love that bot! i don't have to do anything! :D
[05:02] <__mikem> hes cool
[05:02] <mo0se> oh. i found a perfect one.
[05:02] <mo0se> amarok-gstreamer.
[05:02] <mo0se> how do i get that one?
[05:02] <mrphonk> Maybee i'll buy him a beer sometime.
[05:02] <__mikem> um, mo0se, install the package indicated on the site
[05:02] <robotgeek> mrphonk: you can buy the bots owner beer
[05:02] <robotgeek> ubotu: who owns you?
[05:02] <ubotu> cafuego
[05:03] <__mikem> !lart mrphonk
[05:03] <mrphonk> ubotu: does your owner like beer?
[05:03] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mrphonk
[05:03] <mrphonk> :(
[05:03] <__mikem> !lart mrphonk
[05:03] <robotgeek> __mikem: we don't do that in here anymore
[05:03] <__mikem> they disabled that feature
[05:04] <Parkotron2> What DID !lart do?
[05:04] <__mikem> when I turn 21 I am going to be a beer belly
[05:04] <__mikem> caused ubotu to attack the indicated name
[05:04] <mrphonk> mo0se: It's this easy: Edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list (do this as root...) uncomment (delete the "#") from every line that starts with "deb".
[05:05] <robotgeek> Parkotron2: it's disabled as that would be too much fun for this channel :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> oh, again?
[05:05] <__mikem> lol killjoy
[05:05] <mrphonk> what would "!lart" do?
[05:06] <__mikem> my personal favorite is, !lart name, ubotu resizes name's terminal to 40x40
[05:06] <mrphonk> __mikem: Here in Sweden you only have to be 20 to get that beer belly :D
[05:06] <getafix> whats a good mp3 player other than amarok?
[05:06] <Parkotron2> That's good to know. The world has enough killer robots already.
[05:06] <getafix> amarok seems to be crashing a lot
[05:06] <mrphonk> i use xmms...
[05:06] <getafix> sweet
[05:06] <__mikem> oh, I heard the sun rarely goes down in sweeden, is that true
[05:06] <mrphonk> but that's just because i'm used to Winamp i guess.
[05:07] <getafix> yeah i'd like to use amarok but it keeps crashing on me
[05:07] <mrphonk> __mikem: No. Actually, in the winter we nearly never see the sun :D
[05:07] <__mikem> bummer
[05:07] <mrphonk> But in the summer, and if you are in the northern part of Sweden, the sun wont go down for about three weeks. Preety neat.
[05:07] <__mikem> my dad was there once
[05:08] <__mikem> on a business trip
[05:08] <mrphonk> mo0se: You didn't give up, did you?
[05:08] <mo0se> uhm...
[05:08] <mo0se> i'm kind of confused...
[05:08] <mrphonk> lol
[05:08] <__mikem> like I gave up trying to power on my overheated presario 900
[05:08] <mrphonk> __mikem: Do you know where in Sweden?
[05:08] <mo0se> hahaha...
[05:08] <__mikem> nope, it was years ago
[05:08] <mo0se> i enabled the main restricted universe multiverse and its source...
[05:09] <__mikem> it was in the arctic circle, i know that
[05:09] <mo0se> now i don't know what to do..
[05:09] <mrphonk> __mikem: Arctic circle? Ohh.. thats way up north :D
[05:09] <__mikem> near it atleast anyway
[05:09] <mrphonk> mo0se: Now get the packages you needed
[05:09] <mrfishhat> in adept click fetch sources
[05:09] <__mikem> brb
[05:09] <mrfishhat> updates*
[05:10] <mrphonk> "sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:10] <mo0se> the tutorial tells me to do some other funky stuff...
[05:10] <mo0se> i don't need to?
[05:10] <mrphonk> I understand that this is confusing when we're all telling you to do different things :D
[05:10] <mo0se> eeeyup...
[05:10] <getafix> what does gst- engine "claims it cannot play mp3s mean when i open amarok?
[05:10] <mrphonk> mo0se: do "sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:11] <__mikem> don't forget apt-get update
[05:11] <mrphonk> sorry that's right
[05:11] <gyrate> can someone point me to a howto on getting kde 3.5.2 installed?
[05:11] <mrphonk> first "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:11] <bimberi> !kde3.5
[05:11] <ubotu> To upgrade to to the latest KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[05:11] <gyrate> ie: what repo i need to add
[05:11] <gyrate> ah, thats what i was looking for
[05:11] <bimberi> gyrate: ^^^^^^
[05:11] <krenx> could anyone help me installing nvidia drivers? i get this "dont have precompiled kernel" blabla :)
[05:11] <gyrate> ubotu: thanks
[05:11] <ubotu> gyrate: no problem
[05:11] <mrphonk> !howtobecomefilthyrich
[05:11] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mrphonk
[05:12] <__mikem> ubotu good bot
[05:12] <ubotu> :)
[05:12] <mrphonk> :D
[05:12] <__mikem> we should feed him botsnacks
[05:12] <mrphonk> mo0se: How's it going? I'm kind'a nervous for you :)
[05:12] <mrphonk> ubotu, do you like snacks?
[05:12] <ubotu> mrphonk: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:13] <mrphonk> :D
[05:13] <__mikem> lol
[05:13] <__mikem> nice try
[05:13] <mrphonk> He's just as intelligent as my girlfriend. Lovely...
[05:13] <mrphonk> or wait...
[05:13] <__mikem> lol beautiful
[05:13] <mrphonk> ubotu, are you a boy or a girl?
[05:13] <ubotu> mrphonk: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:13] <mo0se> havin' a little trouble...
[05:13] <Parkotron2> krenx: That warning is normal. Just continue throught it.
[05:13] <robotgeek> !botabuse
[05:13] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[05:13] <getafix> hey robot geek can you help me out with amarok?
[05:14] <robotgeek> getafix: what issue are you having?
[05:14] <mo0se> hmm... it still says not available...
[05:14] <__mikem> mrphonk they take bot abuse seriously in here
[05:14] <__mikem> so be careful
[05:14] <getafix> any idea why its not creating a library
[05:14] <mo0se> but i tried another version...
[05:14] <mo0se> and it worked...
[05:14] <getafix> like i've selected hte folders i want it to scan
[05:14] <mo0se> but it said that was the same one i already have..
[05:14] <mo0se> argh..
[05:14] <mrphonk> __mikem: i can see that. i guess i'll have to play with myself instead... ehh.
[05:14] <getafix> but it just sits at zero percent in the activity bar at the bottom
[05:14] <mo0se> scary...
[05:14] <__mikem> poor choice of words
[05:14] <mo0se> hahahah.
[05:14] <robotgeek> getafix: most probably you don't have codecs for amarok, can you play those songs?
[05:14] <mrphonk> __mikem: hehe, that was the whole point
[05:15] <__mikem> lol ;->
[05:15] <krenx> Parkotron2: im trying, but tey wont install
[05:15] <Parkotron2> krenx: What the last error you get?
[05:15] <mrphonk> Okey that my english isn't fluent but i'm not THAT stupid :D
[05:15] <getafix> are hte codecs just  under 'amarok" in adept?
[05:15] <getafix> or can you direct me to the mp3 codecs i need?
[05:15] <robotgeek> getafix, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:15] <__mikem> I never would have guessed english was your second language
[05:15] <mo0se> i get a poopy error in amarok that says some media could not be loaded (not playable).
[05:16] <mo0se> cuuuuuurrrrrrrssssssssseeeeeeeesssssssssss...
[05:16] <robotgeek> mo0se: wma? or mp3?
[05:16] <mo0se> mp3.
[05:16] <getafix> awesome cheers man
[05:16] <mrphonk> __mikem: Thanks... it's actually my third language.
[05:16] <__mikem> ouch
[05:17] <krenx> Parkotron2: cant remember, ill try to install again and tell you
[05:17] <mrphonk> 1. Swedish 2. Finnish 3. English
[05:17] <krenx> in a while
[05:17] <krenx> reading some here.
[05:17] <mo0se> in adept it says amarok-gstreamer is already installed.
[05:17] <Parkotron2> krenx: I recommend this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[05:17] <__mikem> mo0se, that thing really doesn't like you, Id recomend having someone over there assist you on your end
[05:17] <krenx> 1. Swedish 2. English 3. Danska (skaning, surprise;)
[05:17] <mo0se> the website i went to told me to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:17] <mo0se> but i don't see it...
[05:18] <mo0se> that tutorial is outdated.
[05:18] <mo0se> boo...
[05:18] <mo0se> :P
[05:18] <robotgeek> mo0se: i'll help you thru it, give me a moment
[05:18] <__mikem> no, not really
[05:18] <mo0se> well... it tells you to download something that doesn't exist...
[05:18] <mrphonk> krenx: That means your swedish is danish too =)
[05:18] <__mikem> I have to admit, geting the hang of that sort of thing was hard for me to, because comming from a windows world, the concept of "packages" was foreign to me
[05:18] <robotgeek> mo0se: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin (not here, pastebin. see topic)
[05:19] <__mikem> pastebin? Poor horses. LOL jk
[05:19] <krenx> Lol
[05:19] <mo0se> pastebin...
[05:19] <__mikem> !pastebin
[05:19] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[05:19] <krenx> rullebor
[05:20] <mrphonk> __mikem: same here... took about a month before it made any sense at all...
[05:20] <__mikem> THe key is just to forget everything you know and take everything for face value, from what I learned
[05:20] <mo0se> okay.
[05:20] <mo0se> it's posted.
[05:20] <mo0se> do i send you the link?
[05:21] <mrphonk> __mikem: But it's hard when you grew up with dos and windows. I mean, i've even worked at Microsoft just a year ago =]
[05:21] <mo0se> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13011
[05:21] <__mikem> yup, I did win32 programming for a hobby so, I really had windows engrained in my mind
[05:22] <Parkotron2> mo0se: All of your repositories are commented out!
[05:23] <mo0se> i enabled them in adept...
[05:23] <mrphonk> I was a salesman @ microsoft. Selling Office-package to companies for example, even though i didn't even use it @ home (i've always like OpenOffice more, even when i was a windowsdude...)
[05:23] <__mikem> once, I had to do a book report, where we created a test on the book we read, I made my test a simple piece of software writen against the win32 api which presented the test,
[05:23] <mo0se> do i just uncomment all of them or something?
[05:23] <__mikem> OpenOffice does more for crying out loud, my favorite is export to pdf
[05:23] <__mikem> yup
[05:23] <__mikem> all lines that begin with deb
[05:24] <getafix> how do you enable multiverse and universe repositories
[05:24] <mrphonk> uncommenting means that you delete the "#", fyi.
[05:24] <getafix> i've installed hte gstreamer
[05:24] <mo0se> not the "# "
[05:24] <mo0se> notice the space...
[05:24] <mo0se> ??
[05:24] <mo0se> or does it not matter?
[05:24] <mo0se> hehehe...
[05:24] <__mikem> be careful not to uncomment the description lines though
[05:25] <__mikem> !easysource
[05:25] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:25] <mo0se> okay..
[05:25] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell getafix about repos
[05:25] <mo0se> everything is uncommented..
[05:25] <mo0se> well... every deb thingie.
[05:25] <__mikem> let me see the file
[05:25] <__mikem> anotherwords pastebin it to me
[05:25] <getafix> sweet cheers robo
[05:25] <robotgeek> getafix: first link, there is an adept howto in there
[05:25] <mo0se> done.
[05:26] <__mikem> link please
[05:26] <mo0se> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13013
[05:26] <mo0se> now i do apt-get update right?
[05:26] <getafix> i've done this
[05:26] <getafix> sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:26] <getafix> is that all i need to do?
[05:26] <__mikem> ok, that looks good to me
[05:26] <mo0se> did you enable yo repositories?
[05:26] <__mikem> sudo apt-get update
[05:26] <Seantater> how do I use lm-sensors?
[05:27] <robotgeek> getafix: that should be find if you are using the gstreamer engine (or you can install amarok-xine) engine
[05:27] <Seantater> Are there any odd steps or anything?
[05:27] <mo0se> jesus!
[05:27] <__mikem> a lot of packages
[05:27] <__mikem> don't worry
[05:27] <mo0se> could not get lock var/lib/dpkg/lock blah blah blah...
[05:27] <Parkotron2> Seantater: have you installed it already?
[05:27] <mo0se> no packages for me...
[05:27] <mrphonk> do you see jesus now? that's cool. i always knew he was a kubuntu-user.
[05:27] <__mikem> did you sudo it
[05:27] <mo0se> yup.
[05:28] <Seantater> mo)se: yes, lm-sensors is installed
[05:28] <getafix> i have hte xine engine installed i think as well via adept
[05:28] <mo0se> and i'm in root as well.
[05:28] <Seantater> mo0se: yes, lm-sensors is installed
[05:28] <Parkotron2> mo0se: You probably have Adept open.
[05:28] <__mikem> do me a favor, type exit in the console
[05:28] <mo0se> oh yeah...
[05:28] <mo0se> i do...
[05:28] <mo0se> hahahaa...
[05:28] <Seantater> mo0se: sensors returns "No sensors found!"
[05:28] <__mikem> trust me
[05:28] <mo0se> woooot.
[05:28] <mo0se> it's done...
[05:28] <krenx> Parkotron2: thanks, ive installed them now
[05:28] <Parkotron2> Seantater: Then run "sensors" in a console.
[05:28] <__mikem> ok
[05:28] <krenx> now lets see if they work, brb
[05:28] <robotgeek> getafix: just select it in amarok, and you should be able to play it
[05:28] <__mikem> now try the command again sudo apt-get update
[05:29] <mo0se> it's done.
[05:29] <__mikem> and what was the output
[05:29] <Seantater> Parkotron2: I have, it returns "No sensors found!", yet I know there are
[05:29] <mo0se> done.
[05:29] <mo0se> i'm serious... gstreamer0.8-mad doesn't exist...
[05:29] <mo0se> it keeps telling me that...
[05:30] <mo0se> it says... but it is referred to by another package.
[05:30] <Parkotron2> Seantater: Sorry, I forgot there was more than that to setting it up. I used this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780&highlight=lm-sensors
[05:30] <mo0se> i just wanna play my music!
[05:30] <mrphonk> mo0se: This really isn't your day :D
[05:30] <krenx> /whois mrphonk
[05:30] <__mikem> robotgeek mo0se appears to be doing everything properly yet is unable to get the gstreamer package, his sources.list file is correct and everything, would you mind checking this out
[05:31] <krenx> mrphonk: where in sweden are    you from ?
[05:31] <mrphonk> krenx: Estocolmo
[05:31] <mo0se> it might be because i have to have a root enabled konqueror to access it...
[05:31] <mo0se> i can't access it normally..
[05:31] <mo0se> so maybe i can't access it from amarok...
[05:31] <robotgeek> mo0se: open up terminal
[05:31] <krenx> mrphonk: Ah, a fiskmas
[05:31] <mo0se> so the question is... how do i access it from amarok?
[05:31] <mo0se> okay.
[05:31] <__mikem> he has it open
[05:31] <__mikem> or he should
[05:32] <mo0se> it's open.
[05:32] <Search4Lancer> *sigh* i just downloaded a zip file of powerpoints that I need to study for a class in the morning, and I right clicked on the file (on the desktop) to extract it, and the damn desktop froze up....
[05:32] <mrphonk> krenx: never heard that expression before, usually we're just called patrask
[05:32] <robotgeek> mo0se: you don't have the multiverse repository next ti universe on that line
[05:32] <__mikem> Search4Lancer that shouldn't happen
[05:32] <krenx> In skane we call you fiskmasar because u are everywhere and skrapar ner
[05:32] <mo0se> what line?
[05:32] <__mikem> but its prety safe to assume the presentation files are corupted now
[05:32] <mo0se> ooo... you sneaky little line..
[05:32] <krenx> nice swenglish. :P
[05:33] <robotgeek> mo0se: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13014 use that
[05:33] <mrphonk> krenx: Better to skrapa ner than to be skrap.
[05:33] <krenx> lol
[05:33] <krenx> ;)
[05:33] <__mikem> ???
[05:34] <mrphonk> __mikem: We are talking Swenglish, that's my fourth language.
[05:34] <mo0se> wait...
[05:34] <Parkotron2> I can't help but wonder if the Scandinavians are having a laugh at our expense.
[05:34] <Search4Lancer> __mikem, of course it shouldn't happen. I don't see why the files in the zip would be corrupted, though. Just.. not extracted.
[05:34] <mo0se> when i try to save it...
[05:34] <mo0se> it says i don't have permission...
[05:34] <__mikem> you have to become root
[05:35] <mo0se> i am root.
[05:35] <mo0se> in the terminal...
[05:35] <krenx> what program are u using
[05:35] <__mikem> I am too tired to deal with this
[05:35] <mo0se> uhm...
[05:35] <mo0se> kate.
[05:35] <mrphonk> Parkotron2: No, we're just having a small town vs. town-beef. You know, i'm from the royal capital and krenx is from the part of Sweden that God forgot.
[05:35] <__mikem> try sudo kate in the terminal
[05:35] <robotgeek> mo0se: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:36] <getafix> #/dev/hdc {
[05:36] <getafix> #         dma = on
[05:36] <getafix> #}
[05:36] <getafix> i can add that to permantlky enable dma on the drive is that right?
[05:36] <robotgeek> getafix: yes.
[05:36] <getafix> to the hdparm.conf?
[05:36] <getafix> sweet
[05:36] <robotgeek> !dma
[05:37] <robotgeek> getafix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[05:37] <getafix> now we're getting somewhere
[05:37] <Search4Lancer> grrr I can't get it to, well, unfreeze. all the icons on the desktop are gone, and all I have is a finger on the desktop
[05:37] <getafix> yeh i just looked at that and have done that
[05:37] <robotgeek> getafix: heh, cool
[05:37] <robotgeek> mo0se: are you sorted out?
[05:37] <getafix> cheers man
[05:37] <mo0se> no.
[05:37] <mo0se> that sudo kate thingie deosn't work.
[05:37] <Parkotron2> Search4Lancer: Are you typing on another computer?
[05:38] <mo0se> it says it probably crashed.
[05:38] <mo0se> O.o
[05:38] <robotgeek> mo0se: kk, never mind. open up a terminal :)
[05:38] <mo0se> okay.
[05:38] <mo0se> done.
[05:38] <Search4Lancer> no
[05:38] <Search4Lancer> Parkottron2
[05:38] <getafix> hmmm still amarok seems to be stuck on scanning my folders for mp3s and not doing anything
[05:38] <robotgeek> mo0se: then type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:38] <Parkotron2> Search4Lancer: So just the desktop died?
[05:38] <Search4Lancer> appears that way yes
[05:39] <mo0se> woaaaaaaah...
[05:39] <Search4Lancer> well, and the IM icon disappeared...
[05:39] <Parkotron2> Search4Lancer: Very strange. Have you tried restarting the kicker?
[05:39] <Search4Lancer> Kopete, that is
[05:39] <__mikem> the glory of text mode aye mo0se
[05:39] <Search4Lancer> the who what?
[05:39] <mo0se> hehehe.
[05:39] <robotgeek> Search4Lancer: alt + f2 , kwin <enter>
[05:39] <Parkotron2> Search4Lancer: I'll take that as a "no".
[05:40] <getafix> is hdc definietly my cd rom and not one of my hdds?
[05:40] <robotgeek> mo0se: now find the line with universe in it, and add multiverse right next to it
[05:40] <getafix> cause its still stuttering on the cd
[05:40] <mo0se> okay.
[05:41] <Parkotron2> Search4Lancer: I'd say it be best just to log out and log back in.
[05:41] <mo0se> how do i delete those #'s?
[05:41] <__mikem> I kind of have to go, so good luck mo0se, hope things work out, and tell the other guy it was nice talking
[05:41] <robotgeek> mo0se: backspace?
[05:41] <mo0se> oh...
[05:41] <mo0se> ahhaah..
[05:42] <Parkotron2> That has to be one of the most interesting question and answers I've ever seen on here. "backspace?" - hilarious.
[05:42] <mo0se> heh...
[05:42] <mo0se> now i close it?
[05:42] <mo0se> wait...
[05:42] <robotgeek> mo0se: ctrl +x
[05:42] <mo0se> how do i save it..
[05:42] <getafix> hey robo how can i tell if my cdrom is in fact hdc?
[05:43] <getafix> cause i have a feeling hdc is one of my partitions from the hdd
[05:43] <getafix> ahh hard drive
[05:43] <robotgeek> getafix: ls -al /dev/cdrom
[05:43] <Parkotron2> getafix: eject /dev/hdc
[05:43] <mrphonk> Spacebar? Where is the any-key?
[05:43] <getafix> why would i want to eject it?
[05:44] <Parkotron2> getafix: If you eject /dev/hdc and the cd tray opens, you'd know you've got the right drive.
[05:44] <getafix> is command not found
[05:44] <robotgeek> getafix: did it tell you what device it is?
[05:44] <Search4Lancer> well things just got a lot worse when I tried to open up the run window
[05:44] <getafix> but if its a hard drive it will un mount or just say i can't do it
[05:45] <Search4Lancer> had to do a hard reboot, and 8 instances of SpeedCrunch opened
[05:45] <Parkotron2> Search4Lancer: That's a crazy tale you've got there.  Try extracting it from the command line.
[05:46] <mrphonk> mo0se: See... Gnu/Linux is easy :D
[05:47] <mo0se> yeah baby...
[05:47] <mo0se> moooohahaha...
[05:48] <mo0se> after i get these mp3's working... i'm gonna go bed...
[05:48] <mo0se> hahaha..
[05:48] <mrphonk> mo0se: Now you can add "Kubuntu-Guru" to your business card.
[05:48] <getafix> grrr
[05:48] <mo0se> i am planning on majoring in computer science for college...
[05:48] <mo0se> maybe.
[05:48] <mo0se> :P
[05:49] <mrphonk> Okey. I have no idea how your school system works, but it sure sounds cool.
[05:49] <mo0se> haha.
[05:49] <mo0se> it's college...
[05:49] <mo0se> O.o
[05:49] <getafix> alsa device is already in use
[05:49] <getafix> this is sooo frustrating
[05:49] <Seantater> my cpu sensors say my CPU is running at 261F.. Is that good?
[05:50] <mo0se> what's wrong gaf?
[05:50] <mo0se> ... i just shortened your name...
[05:50] <Search4Lancer> 8 SpeedCrunches opened again on startup...
[05:51] <Parkotron2> Seantater: That depends. Do you want to boil water?
[05:51] <getafix> ok so i can mp3s via playlist/ add media
[05:51] <getafix> but the build collection won't work
[05:51] <mo0se> are you serious?
[05:52] <getafix> any idea why
[05:52] <mo0se> i can't...
[05:52] <Seantater> Parkotron2: no .. I take it that's not good...
[05:52] <Parkotron2> Seantater: I would say the problems with the sensor, not the chip.
[05:53] <Seantater> Parkotron2: but my BIOS should be monitoring my CPU temp, and adjusting my fan accordingly -- my fan is on a very low speed..
[05:53] <Search4Lancer> my fan kept running after I shut down both times....
[05:53] <Seantater> Parkotron2: On top of that, every single one of my sensors are in "alarm" mode, each WAY WAY off..
[05:54] <Parkotron2> Seantater: Can you monitor your sensors while in BIOS?
[05:54] <krenx> anyone know where i get the latest libwine for all architectures ?
[05:54] <Seantater> I do nkt think so..
[05:54] <Seantater> s/nkt/not
[05:54] <getafix> why in gods name won't this piece of crap play music for me grrrrr
[05:55] <Parkotron2> Seantater: Check the next time you shutdown/reboot. A lot of BIOSes nowadays let you monitor things directly.
[05:55] <Seantater> Parkotron: do you think it has anything to do woth F@H? Perhaps I should turn it off and see what happens
[05:55] <Seantater> Parkotron2: Okay -- I'll try that..
[05:56] <Parkotron2> Seantater: Folding at home could be the culprit, but I doubt it.
[05:57] <mo0se> how do i make a folder not locked from non-root users?
[05:57] <Parkotron2> Seantater: Do you have any reason to believe that your chip is actually over heating, other than lm-sensors?
[05:57] <Parkotron2> mo0se: What folder and why?
[05:58] <mo0se> my music folder.
[05:58] <mo0se> because i can't seem to play it in amarok.
[05:58] <mo0se> i have gstreamer0.8-mad and everything.
[05:58] <mo0se> but it still won't let me play my mp3 file.
[05:58] <mo0se> the folder is locked and that might be why...
[05:59] <mo0se> there has to be a way to unlock a folder, right?
[05:59] <robotgeek> mo0se: is this over a network?
[05:59] <mo0se> no.
[05:59] <mo0se> the file is on my kubuntu partition.
[05:59] <mo0se> i moved it from another partition and it was locked.
[05:59] <robotgeek> mo0se: okay, right click and change the properties
[06:00] <getafix> hey robo i'm getting stuttering playing mp3s as well
[06:00] <getafix> and idea ?
[06:01] <robotgeek> getafix: what engine are you using (try the other)
[06:01] <mo0se> YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
[06:01] <mo0se> okay!
[06:01] <mo0se> i'm gonna crash now.
[06:01] <mo0se> hahaha.
[06:01] <mo0se> later guys.
[06:01] <mo0se> don't worry... i'll be back soon...
[06:01] <robotgeek> mo0se: night
[06:01] <mo0se> :P
[06:01] <getafix> using gstream
[06:01] <getafix> and xine doesn't produce any sound at all
[06:01] <robotgeek> getafix: hmm, momento
[06:01] <Seantater> Parkotron2: Nope -- the sensor is wrong -- My motherboard temp went down, the fan speed hit the floor, etc.. but the cpu's still at 261..
[06:01] <Parkotron2> mo0se: You sure are hard to discourage. Good night.
[06:01] <Emess> is ALSA setup properly?
[06:02] <getafix> nope now xine works perfectly
[06:02] <getafix> i'm not sure how do i set up alsa
[06:02] <robotgeek> getafix: xine works?
[06:02] <getafix> yup
[06:02] <getafix> weird
[06:02] <Parkotron2> Seantater: I consider most motherboard sensors sketchy at best.
[06:02] <getafix> it wouldn't work before
[06:03] <robotgeek> getafix: heh, well. it works :)
[06:03] <getafix> yeah true that
[06:04] <mrfishhat> I was wondering if i could get some help with multiple monitrs?
[06:04] <Emess> i wish kubuntu would onstall like that, bvut iv only got 64mb ram int he box i want it on and its stingy on boxes like that
[06:04] <Parkotron2> mrfishhat: What's the issue?
[06:05] <mrfishhat> \msg parktron i got it all setup and working,just i cannot change resolutions
[06:05] <MEtaLpREs> how do you change the default program for different file types? the file association
[06:06] <Parkotron2> mrfishhat: Are you using xinerama, twinview, or the ATI one?
[06:06] <robotgeek> MEtaLpREs: right click -> open with,
[06:06] <getafix> robo any idea how to get hte collection building feature actually working?
[06:06] <robotgeek> getafix: i don't know why it isn't working, maybe try rescanning?
[06:06] <Parkotron2> mrfishhat: What can't you change resolutions with?
[06:07] <MEtaLpREs> yea ofcourse you can choose open with, how can you set the DEFAULT program though?
[06:07] <getafix> robo: it just seems to not start scanning
[06:07] <robotgeek> MEtaLpREs: theere should be a 'Other' option
[06:07] <mrfishhat> parkotron: twinview
[06:08] <MEtaLpREs> ok awesome, thanks
[06:08] <getafix> say i got 60 gigs of mp3s would i be expecting it to take hours to scan it all or?
[06:08] <Parkotron2> MEtaLpREs: Konqueror | Settings | Configure Konqueror | File Associations
[06:09] <mrfishhat> parkotron2: twinview
[06:09] <Parkotron2> mrfishhat: Could you post your xorg.conf in the pastebin?
[06:10] <mrfishhat> parkotron: how would i do that
[06:11] <dipnlik> hi all. when i insert my SD card in my card reader, kde pops up a window with the folder contents. how can i stop this?
[06:11] <dipnlik> it is doing it because once i checked the option to not show the dialog again, but now i need to show the dialog
[06:11] <mrfishhat> parkotron:wait i have a plan
[06:13] <Parkotron2> mrfishhat: Goto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ , paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf and send me the link it gives you.
[06:14] <Parkotron2> dipnlik: What version of KDE?
[06:16] <getafix> should using this plus adept plus amarok be using 900 mbs or ram and constantly climbing?
[06:17] <dipnlik> Parkotron2: 3.5, IIRC (this info is for my friend, i have 3.5 here)
[06:17] <dipnlik> Parkotron2: i think he has 3.5 too
[06:18] <dipnlik> Parkotron2: oh no, he has 3.4.3
[06:22] <Parkotron2> Renze just replied to you inthe KDE thread.
[06:23] <dipnlik> Parkotron2: i saw there, thanks :)
[06:26] <ChrisN> hi
[06:27] <KratKart> is there another way to increase the resolution other then in !fixres
[06:28] <ChrisN> does anyone know if theres a list that has compatible ndiswrapper drivers?
[06:31] <getafix> is there a way to get my side buttons ie forward and backward working in firefox un kubuntu?
[06:33] <yuriy> geatafix: look around the forums and the wiki. there is a guide to getting logitech mice working. if you don't have a logitech i'm sure it's similar.
[06:34] <yuriy> *getafix: ^
[06:50] <ebastos> hey guys, i have a question about the GTK configuration menu,
[06:51] <ebastos> when i go into system settings, appearances, then GTK Styles and Fonts, and i set the font size to something readable,
[06:52] <ebastos> like 15 point or something
[06:52] <ebastos> it makes the fonts in firefox ginormously oversized
[06:52] <ebastos> i really only use two GTK apps, namely gaim and firefox, gaim's fonts turn out to be whatever size the styles&fonts dialog shows though, so i'm assuming that's not the problem
[07:29] <nsm> does anyone here have problems with amarok?
[07:29] <nsm> i have version 1.3.1
[07:29] <nsm> whenever i launch it the cursor becomes busy and never turns non busy
[07:29] <nsm> and the window repainting for amarok stop
[07:30] <nsm> how can I solve the problem?
[07:47] <cfraz89> hi
[07:48] <flash_> hello
[07:49] <flash_> i'm running on an ubuntu box, and wanted to know if there was an easy way to install the kubunto packages (with apt-get or something)?
[07:49] <cfraz89> yeah
[07:49] <cfraz89> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <flash_> thanks :)
[07:51] <cfraz89> np
[07:52] <jonathan_> ugh, I'll be glad when the stable dapper comes out
[07:52] <jonathan_> upgraded to beta 2 tonight and windows are so jerky
[07:52] <cfraz89> really?
[07:53] <cfraz89> i just upgraded too
[07:53] <cfraz89> although havent logged in or anything since upgade
[07:54] <jonathan_> yeah, i can't stand it
[07:54] <jonathan_> so freaking jerky it's pathetic...at least for me anyways
[07:56] <cfraz89> hmm
[07:56] <cfraz89> im scared to restart kde now
[08:50] <xaby> Hello all .. i've got an AHA-7850 ( scsi card for an Epson scanner ) and with Ubuntu 6.06, trying to load the aic7xxx module only lead to an "Error inserting aic7xxx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-21-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)".
[08:51] <xaby> Looking in dmesg shows this :
[08:51] <xaby> aic7xxx: Unknown symbol spi_populate_sync_msg
[08:51] <xaby> aic7xxx: Unknown symbol spi_populate_width_msg
[08:51] <xaby> aic7xxx: Unknown symbol spi_populate_ppr_msg
[08:51] <xaby> Any hint, anyone? lsmod shows a module named "scsi_transport_spi", that MAY contain my missing symbols ... i'm lost, and scannerless ...
[08:53] <pga> Hello, after update of the kernel from 2.6.15-20 to 2.6.15-21 my wifi prism54 pcmcia card don't work anymore. Is there a solution ?
[08:59] <godzero> xaby: over my head. pga: would booting into the -20 kernel and filing a bug report work for you? That sounds like something too importaint top not file a bug on.
[08:59] <godzero> s/top/to
[09:01] <godzero> think all the devs are sleeping :)
[09:02] <xaby> godzero: sure, as long as its a real bug, and not a bloody mistake of mine...
[09:03] <godzero> oh, you must have read some of my bug reports then... ;)
[09:03] <pga> With the -20 kernel i have this problem to, but I resolved it with a blacklist islsm_pci command.
[09:05] <tejinder> whats those lvm and evms daemons at startup. do i need them if i am a normal home user?
[09:05] <crimsun> you may
[09:05] <jita> crimsun: what exactly they do?
[09:07] <crimsun> jita: they're ways of arranging the storage space for easier configurability
[09:07] <jita> then i should keep them on thanks
[09:09] <xaby> godzero: hu ho, i responded in place of pga ( readed too fast )
[09:10] <xaby> godzero: the AHA7850 problem have already answered ? I could not find any hint by googling ...
[09:11] <pga> godzero & xaby: does I send somethig to help resolve this problem ?
[09:15] <jita> if i accidently deleted the entries from runlevel, how do i restore?
[09:17] <xaby> pga: well, i cannot help ... sorry ...
[09:18] <godzero> sorry, I steped out for a sec
[09:19] <godzero> pga: have you filed a bug before?
[09:20] <godzero> jita: short answer: reinstalling the package should do it
[09:21] <jita> godzero: how do i list the installed packages of my system?
[09:23] <pga> godzero: no because I m not easy with englich language ! ;-)
[09:23] <godzero> In synaptic, you can use the searce function, for command line.. there's a apt-cache command "apt-cache search <text here>"
[09:26] <godzero> s/searce/search
[09:30] <godzero> pga: https://launchpad.net/faq  <--- It's a quick read, devs are nice.
[09:32] <pga> godzero: ok thank's I'll do my best ! ;-)
[09:33] <godzero> pga: aquick descriptin of what happend, plus they'll want /var/log/syslog & /var/log/syslog.0
[09:33] <godzero> see what happens when I type too fast
[09:37] <godzero> I need a spell checker _right in_ the keyboard driver
[10:17] <GMullen> is there a way to tell if apt-get has forzen in a Konsole?
[10:17] <GMullen> frozen*
[10:21] <godzero> GMullen: what's it doing? 0 cpu?
[10:22] <GMullen> no sorry it started running again
[10:22] <GMullen> it was just Setting UP vnc-common for a long time
[10:44] <lordtutu> hy
[10:45] <lordtutu> Itt kezd vok pontosan mi is ez?
[10:48] <mindspin> !hu
[10:48] <ubotu> Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #ubuntu.hu
[10:48] <lordtutu> ok thx
[10:48] <ubijtsa2> looks more turkish to me
[10:49] <mindspin> but it seemed to be magyar
[10:50] <ubijtsa2> does hungarian have  ?
[10:51] <mindspin> i guess so like german has it too
[10:51] <mindspin> turkish has  a lot
[10:52] <mindspin> not
[10:52] <ubijtsa2> oh well, I need to read up on that some day
[10:52] <ubijtsa2> :)
[11:09] <nico8481> hi
[11:19] <Sear> www.freepicssex.com
[11:21] <J_luges> :(
[11:21] <J_luges> thats un-appropriate
[11:22] <Sear> www.freepicssex.com
[11:22] <J_luges> =[
[11:23] <HymnToLife> !ops
[11:23] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob or Hobbsee
[11:24] <thoreauputic> what's the trouble?
[11:24] <Sear> www.freepicssex.com
[11:24] <HymnToLife> that's the one
[11:31] <robewald> hello
[11:33] <robewald> I somehow messed up my fonts in X. The fonts for normal KDE applications are good but emacs and xvidtune and the like appear very blocky. It happens only on user, so where can I look?
[11:35] <paines> robewald: look if you have a .Xressources
[11:36] <robewald> paines: yes I have that
[11:38] <paines> robewald: lookif there is something like Emacs.* in the   file
[11:40] <robewald> no but, there is *font:-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15
[11:40] <robewald> I suppose that on is guilty?
[11:41] <paines> could be
[11:41] <paines> did you play around with xfontsel
[11:42] <paines> otherwise, if your are running dapper, you could install emacs-snapshot-gtk, which uses antialiased fonts. it is much more nicer
[11:42] <robewald> paines, not yet :-)
[11:43] <paines> maybe they backported it meanwhile for breezy
[11:43] <robewald> I'll log off and see if commenting this line helped
[11:44] <robewald> paines: perfect, that was it :-)
[11:45] <paines> robewald: nice
[11:46] <robewald> now another problem: Kmail is always started when kopete starts. I don't want that, where do I turn that off?
[11:55] <paines> robewald: did you enabled any plugins inside koepete, ?
[11:56] <Dr3as> the kubuntu-desktop package, it's not bad to remove that, i just want to get a few packages gone, and then kubuntu-desktop goes away also
[11:56] <robewald> yes, kontact notes, statistics, connection state and history
[11:57] <robewald> turned it all off, no change
[12:00] <saaida> Morning Everybody
[12:01] <paines> robewald: well i thought kontact notes would do that. hmm
[12:02] <robewald> paines: I thougt that too at first. I once had IRC enabled from kopete and I belive since then I have that problem. IRC is disabled now but kmail still starts...
[12:03] <paines> robewald: there is a #kopete channel. they should know that
[12:06] <gix> hi
[12:06] <saaida> can some one guide me through creating a partition that is visible for both windows and Linux ( linux noob )
[12:09] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[12:09] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:09] <HymnToLife> saaida> you mean read/write or read only ?
[12:09] <gix> ubotu can tou help me?
[12:09] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, gix
[12:09] <HymnToLife> !ubotu
[12:09] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[12:09] <gix> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:09] <gix> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:09] <gix> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:09] <thoreauputic> gix: ubotu is a bot :)
[12:09] <gix> ops XD
[12:10] <paines> gix: dpkg-reconfiure locales
[12:10] <thoreauputic> gix: DO NOT paste here!
[12:10] <gix> sorry
[12:10] <paines> dpkg-reconfigure
[12:10] <gix> paines i made it
[12:10] <gix> but the problem
[12:10] <gix> no change
[12:11] <paines> hmm
[12:11] <gix> it send me this message Falling back to the standard locale ("C")
[12:18] <thoreauputic> !enter
[12:18] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[12:28] <paines> robewald: did you try to delete ~.kde/share/config/kopeterc and reconfiguring it
[12:29] <robewald> paines: no I didn't. I is what I want to avoid.
[12:30] <paines> robewald: i see
[12:38] <granda> hi... who has reiserfs on / ?
[12:39] <cfraz89> i do
[12:40] <granda> every time after a shutdown (poweroff) i get errormessages of reiserfsck ('wrong amount of used blocks' and 'the on-disc and correct bitmaps differ'). it never happens after a reboot
[12:41] <granda> and it never happend when i used suse on the same disc with reiserfs..
[12:41] <cfraz89> ewwww
[12:41] <cfraz89> so only happens on poweroff, but not reboot?
[12:41] <granda> can you show your fstab line?
[12:41] <cfraz89> okie
[12:41] <granda> yes
[12:41] <ubuntu> ..
[12:41] <cfraz89> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[12:41] <cfraz89> /dev/hda6       /               reiserfs notail          0       1
[12:41] <cfraz89> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[12:41] <cfraz89> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:41] <cfraz89> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[12:42] <granda> mmh
[12:42] <granda>  /dev/sda2               /                   reiserfs    acl,user_xattr      0       1
[12:43] <cfraz89> your not using notail?
[12:43] <HymnToLife> !tell granda about pastebin
[12:44] <granda> no, these are the default options of my former suse installation..
[12:44] <granda> should i?
[12:44] <lordtutu> Hello tudom mr mondtk hogy a magyarok mshova irjanak de ott kuka mindenki pedig nagy a gondom. Kubuntu 5.10 esem van 686-os kernelell s 1 asus k8n es lap ATI9200-asal.
[12:45] <cfraz89> well as far as i know it makes it faster
[12:45] <lordtutu> Ez a nyvajs mirt mindig PCI nak hasznlja pedig 1* j volt
[12:47] <lordtutu> Magyarok krlek segitsetek
[12:47] <granda> can i still change it?
[12:48] <granda> and ... could you paste the contents of /etc/init.d/halt as privmsg?
[12:50] <lordtutu> na ksznm
[12:58] <cfraz89> ok
[01:00] <granda> :) sorry ..
[01:00] <cfraz89> granda: did you get it all?
[01:00] <cfraz89> its ok
[01:00] <cfraz89> ill pastebin it
[01:01] <granda> thank you.. just got the first 10 lines
[01:01] <cfraz89> oh ok
[01:01] <granda> which kubuntu version are you using?
[01:06] <christopher> hi
[01:06] <christopher> sorry net dropped oyt
[01:06] <christopher> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/686781
[01:07] <christopher> granda: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/686781
[01:07] <granda> which kubuntu version are you using?
[01:07] <christopher> dapper
[01:07] <christopher> most upgraded
[01:09] <granda> strange.. it is totally different from mine although the mentioned version is the same
[01:10] <christopher> hmmm
[01:12] <granda> ok, just a bit different... can't find any reasons for this reiserfsck thing..
[01:14] <nsm> Hi there, I am having problems getting amarok 1.3.7 to run
[01:14] <nsm> when it starts it just displays the busy icon and i can't use it at all
[01:15] <granda> maybe it's just: i first installed kubuntu on another harddisk (/dev/hda1) and then copied all of /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda2. and if i boot from /dev/sda, the reiserfsck is started on every bootprocess and complains about the two things (and checks the tree for half an hour)
[01:15] <munzir> Hi, I am using adept how can I see the changelog of a pacakge I want to upgrade?
[01:16] <christopher> grada: that could be it
[01:17] <granda> :) i need to find the reason..
[01:18] <christopher> have a look at /etc/init.d/rc5.d
[01:18] <christopher> and /etc/init.d/rc6.d
[01:18] <christopher> see if there is any difference
[01:19] <granda> do  mean /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc6.d ?
[01:19] <granda> do you mean /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc6.d ?
[01:21] <granda> there is no difference except the S90halt and S90reboot links
[01:21] <christopher> oh ok
[01:21] <christopher> is there any difference in those files that could cause the reiser problem?
[01:22] <granda> i did `for i in *; do cmp "$i" "/etc/rc6.d/$i"; echo $? $i; done` in rc0.d and vice versa
[01:24] <christopher> ok
[01:24] <christopher> you know your bash well lol
[01:24] <christopher> runs through every file
[01:24] <christopher> and exchoes the differences in them?
[01:24] <granda> because i do troubleshooting the whole day :/
[01:25] <granda> yes, the last part is superflous (echo $? $i). cmp prints out an error message if it finds a difference.
[01:27] <christopher> okie
[01:30] <saaida> what torrent client u guys recommend for kubuntu ?
[01:30] <cfraz89> ktorrent
[01:31] <saaida> im provious Bitcomet
[01:31] <vendor> is there a way to install chrony "cleanly"? it somewhat conflicts with ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal and removing those doesn't feel good...
[01:31] <cfraz89> i like ktorrent
[01:31] <granda> azureus
[01:31] <cfraz89> ive been using it nonstop since i got kubuntu
[01:31] <cfraz89> azureus is a memory hog
[01:32] <granda> true
[01:32] <cfraz89> but ktorrent doesnt let you prioritize files in a download
[01:32] <cfraz89> i like the inbuilt search though
[01:32] <saaida> damn that is a kind of important feature
[01:33] <cfraz89> :)
[01:33] <cfraz89> are you using dapper?
[01:33] <cfraz89> it comes with ktorrent
[01:33] <granda> azureus allows that too
[01:33] <cfraz89> does it?
[01:33] <saaida> what's dapper ?
[01:33] <cfraz89> version of (k)ubuntu that is about to come out
[01:34] <granda> y, but just high / normal. but thats enough. i'd otherwise spent hours with prioritizing
[01:34] <J_luges> much easier with the beta version of dapper
[01:36] <granda> what
[01:37] <J_luges> in dapper, www3.netbank.commbank.com.au wont work with my konqueror
[01:37] <J_luges> is anyone else getting this problem? with the newest version of kubuntu
[01:38] <cfraz89> yeah it doesnt work for me
[01:38] <J_luges> hmm k
[01:45] <israel> http://israel.275mb.com/index3.php
[01:50] <cfraz89> lol
[01:56] <_osh_> I honestly don't understand a lot of the "bloated", "memoryhog" discussion. It's like focus is on the wrong things. Sure, try to keep things slim but bugfixes and features are more important. I need a tool. I don't care if it uses a little more memory or cpu then it has too, as long as it does what I need.
[01:58] <cfraz89> the thing is when i have azureus running my computer goes into swap alot
[01:58] <cfraz89> so i dont like it
[01:58] <cfraz89> i guess its ok if you have more ram
[02:00] <_osh_> cfraz89: I agree that thrashing isn't good and azureus doesn't do what you need. So you need a different tool. I understand that. And I just love the magnet-links. =)
[02:01] <cfraz89> magnets?
[02:02] <_osh_> cfraz89: magnet-link. azureus feature. download things without contact to the tracker. or something.
[02:02] <cfraz89> oh ok
[02:02] <robotgeek> that will be coming soon to ktorrent, i think
[02:02] <cfraz89> cool
[02:08] <mhterres> morning
[02:09] <_osh_> mhterres: not to me. ;-)
[02:09] <mhterres> hehehe
[02:13] <mhterres> hey _osh_. Where are  you ? I'm in Brazil
[02:20] <_osh_> mhterres: northern europe.
[02:21] <mhterres> hmm, I see
[02:21] <mhterres> I'll travel to Europe some day in future
[02:22] <mhterres> I hope :-)
[02:22] <mhterres> It's a dream of mine
[02:22] <_osh_> mhterres: sweet. we're going to south america too some day. we're saving money for it anyway. it's one of two continents that we haven't been to. the other being australia.
[02:23] <mhterres> nice :-)
[02:25] <_osh_> mhterres: and you're lucky. experts predict that south america is the next "asia" when it comes to economic growth. It's the most expansive region in the world in 10-20yrs.
[02:25] <_osh_> mhterres: I'm placing some of my money in companies there. =)
[02:26] <mhterres> _osh_: great :-)
[02:26] <mhterres> _osh_: Brazil is making many efforts in free software and open source
[02:27] <mhterres> _osh_: our International Free Software Forum ended last week
[02:28] <saaida> Is it norml . to have physical usage 230 mb from 256 , and the same time 13 mb out of 300 for swap ?
[02:29] <bsm> hi, where do I set LANG in ubuntu?
[02:30] <saaida> bsm : click Alt+F2
[02:30] <saaida> then right : kcontrol
[02:31] <saaida> u will see there a control panel like the one in Windows
[02:31] <bsm> in controlcenter everything is set fine
[02:31] <bsm> if it wasn't clear, I mean $LANG in xterm
[02:31] <bsm> is /etc/environment right?
[02:32] <saaida> :)
[02:32] <bsm> saaida: :)
[02:34] <saaida> Is it norml . to have physical usage 230 mb from 256 , and the same time 13 mb out of 300 for swap ?
[02:34] <robotgeek> saaida: yes
[02:34] <bsm> saaida: yes
[02:35] <saaida> then what is the use of a swap partition ?
[02:36] <bsm> swap belongs to your memory
[02:36] <bsm> see it as a slow extension for your RAM
[02:36] <mindspin> it#s a kind of extended/spare memory on your HD
[02:36] <mindspin> like "virtual memory" on win systems
[02:36] <bsm> parts of your memory that are not used/needed but neccessaryly loaded are send to swap
[02:37] <_osh_> a swap partition isn't nessecary any longer is it? I think that the 2.6-kernel is equally fast with swap-files if I'm not misstaken.
[02:38] <_osh_> it's a good thing to have though. and I think most installs require it.
[02:38] <saaida> well the problem is that i installed ubuntu without swap
[02:39] <saaida> and now i added 300 mb partition for swap
[02:39] <saaida> i got 256 mb ram
[02:39] <bsm> so what?
[02:39] <bsm> 256 is nothing today
[02:39] <bsm> running kde is a mess with 256
[02:39] <saaida> i think i missed up when i did the swap partition
[02:41] <saaida> /dev/hda3 /home/noname/swap swap noauto 0 0
[02:41] <saaida> this is the line in fstab
[02:41] <_osh_> saaida: have a look at 'man mkswap'. There's an example there on how to setup a swap-file. And again, if I recall correctly, there shouldn't be a performance impact if you run a 2.6-kernel.
[02:43] <saaida> anyone knows if the line i pasted is any good ?
[02:46] <_osh_> saaida: shouln't the "noauto" be a "sw" for swap?
[02:47] <saaida> _osh_: have no idea :)
[02:48] <_osh_> saaida: I think so but have a look at the manfile (man mkswap). With the "noauto" you'll have to mount it manually to have a swap-file. But perhaps that's what you want?
[02:49] <saaida> where is the manfile(man mkswap) ?
[02:49] <_osh_> saaida: in konqeror write man: mkswap
[02:49] <_osh_> saaida: or in a console write man mkswap
[02:50] <_osh_> saaida: sorry "konsole". It's either spell everything wwith a "k" or have a logo that looks like foot with a penis in it.
[02:52] <_osh_> saaida: I'm unregistered and can't pm.
[02:53] <saaida> ohh
[02:54] <_osh_> I'm in here once in a blue moon and can't be bothered with yet another password to remember. ;-)
[03:04] <WhyM> Is it just me or Kmail doesn't handle quite well html messages (it doesn't show included remote images...)?
[03:08] <_osh_> WhyM: Isn't that a feature? It stops some of the most obvious "web bug" spy attacks. But I'm not sure. it might be a bug also. :-)
[03:12] <WhyM> II understand but if I choose to display html messages and remote images, I should be able to see it... for instance eBay mails won't show any images...
[03:20] <_osh_> WhyM: Ask the devels. I'm not one of them so I'm just guessing. ;-)
[03:21] <cfraz89> im pretty sure kmail shows images
[03:21] <cfraz89> but you have to tell it to for each message
[03:22] <theine> Hi, since recently, kmail starts up automatically whenever I log into KDE, even if I make sure that it's not running anymore when I logged out my previous KDE session. I also didn't put kmail in ~/.kde/Autostart. Does anybody why it still starts up?
[03:47] <gamxx> hi
[03:47] <IgKh> hi
[03:48] <gamxx> i have problem with Adept, look: http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/4841/snapshot11lt.png
[03:48] <mhterres> and did you try to run apt-setup ?
[03:48] <gamxx> yes
[03:49] <mhterres> or better: what happened when you run apt-get update ?
[03:49] <gamxx> not working
[03:49] <mhterres> sudo apt-get update ?
[03:49] <gamxx> and sudo apt-setup too
[03:49] <IgKh> Did it ask you for your password?
[03:50] <mhterres> paste here the error that happened when you try to run this commands
[03:50] <gamxx> yes
[03:50] <gamxx> gamxx@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-setup
[03:50] <gamxx> sudo: apt-setup: command not found
[03:50] <mhterres> command not found ???
[03:50] <gamxx> hm, apt-get update working
[03:50] <mhterres> strange, really strange
[03:51] <mhterres> paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:51] <mhterres> but use pastebin.com
[03:51] <gamxx> ok, moment
[03:52] <IgKh> See this bug:
[03:52] <IgKh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/38086
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38086 in ept adept "another process is using the packaging system database" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:52] <gamxx> (sorry about (?) my english ;P)
[03:53] <IgKh> gamxx: By the way, it is always good to search the Wiki and the bug system in launchpad.net before asking
[03:53] <granda> is someone using qt-designer?
[03:54] <justanotheruser> guys, is there a known bug for webforms in konqueror?
[03:54] <gamxx> mhterres: http://pastebin.com/686983
[03:54] <justanotheruser> because i got myself almost 3-4 weeks with ADSL because of, probably, konqueror doesn't work right
[03:55] <justanotheruser> *without
[03:55] <mhterres> looks correct to me
[03:55] <mhterres> did you put the cdrom in your cd drive when try to run adept ?
[03:55] <gamxx> hm, yes
[03:56] <mhterres> Hmmm, you can comment the cdrom line in sources.list
[03:56] <mhterres> and after that you can try to run adept again
[04:01] <gamxx> hmm, mhterres, look now: http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1193/snapshot24ly.png
[04:02] <justanotheruser> guys, i am not joking here, konqueror doesn't input boxes right for some sort of reason
[04:02] <mhterres> please, try to run
[04:02] <mhterres> sudo apt-get update
[04:02] <mhterres> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:02] <gamxx> okk
[04:05] <gamxx> dowloading....
[04:05] <mhterres> great
[04:05] <gamxx> :D
[04:05] <mhterres> after the upgrade, try to run adept again
[04:06] <gamxx> ok, thx
[04:06] <mhterres> and if adept don't work anyway, you can always use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[04:06] <mhterres> :-)
[04:09] <justanotheruser> i can also see faulty handling with input boxes when i login on ktorrent.org/forum (in case someone wants to check this)
[04:09] <justanotheruser> aka, it doesn't let me login (although the site says i am)
[04:10] <mhterres> not want to begin a flame, but firefox in my opinion is much better that Konqueror
[04:10] <ahmuck_jr> i recieved errors while attepting "
[04:11] <ahmuck_jr> "sudo apt-get install cacti"
[04:11] <justanotheruser> erm, nobody thinks this a serious bug and should be solved for dapper?
[04:11] <mhterres> ahmuck_jr: what errors ?
[04:12] <justanotheruser> mhterres: yes, i do also, but this is a serious flaw (when doing business like a telco-hop with ADSL for example)
[04:12] <ahmuck_jr> after using "sudo apt-get remove cacti" and then attempting to re-install the application i recieve a notation that cacti is already installed
[04:12] <mhterres> ahmuck_jr: did you try: dpkg --purge cacti ?
[04:13] <mhterres> justanotheruser: I understand
[04:14] <ahmuck_jr> mhterres: same thing, looks like uninstalled, but will not re-install
[04:14] <justanotheruser> mhterres: as of now, this bug given me a lot of troubles with phonecalls and almost no internet at all. So my day is serious screwed. But we should solve this for others..
[04:15] <mhterres> apt-get --reinstall cacti ?
[04:15] <mhterres> justanotheruser: I agree
[04:15] <mhterres> maybe you can report a bug
[04:17] <justanotheruser> mhterres: i thought about that, but this bug only pops up after some weeks of using konqueror (dapper, but i've seen it on breezy too), so it will be a hard one...
[04:18] <mhterres> maybe you can report this in #kde channel
[04:18] <justanotheruser> good point
[04:18] <justanotheruser> trying...
[04:19] <WhyM> Anyone using gotmail succesfully? (to retrieve hotmail messages)
[04:23] <Riddell> WhyM: yes
[04:23] <Riddell> WhyM: but you need to download the latest one from their website, the one in ubuntu and debian is too old
[04:24] <WhyM> Riddell: I know, I already did...
[04:26] <WhyM> Here is what I get after a gotmail -v : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=687036
[04:29] <WhyM> Any clue ?
[04:30] <ubuntu> hey
[04:30] <ubuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=965610#post965610
[04:31] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me what went wrong?
[04:31] <ubuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=965610#post965610
[04:31] <Khaotik> Hi all
[04:32] <ubuntu> hey
[04:32] <ubuntu> Khaotik do you run dapper?
[04:32] <v3ctor> ubuntu: try #ubuntu+1
[04:32] <Khaotik> nope
[04:32] <Khaotik> I just got this installed last night and i want to say it was the easiest install and set-up of any linux distro i have ever used.
[04:32] <ahmuck_jr> http://www.pastebin.com/687409
[04:33] <ahmuck_jr> http://www.pastebin.com/687049 - er
[04:33] <Khaotik> Anybody here know how to set up a Network Bridge in Kubuntu?
[04:34] <Khaotik> Anyone?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> v3ctor: kubuntu dapper users are being repointed back here now....
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Khaotik: no idea, sorry
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ubuntu: it'd be nice if you could actually mentoin a little bit of what's happening in your summary...
[04:36] <Khaotik> See i use this pc as a router and i need to be able to have a network bridge with my Xbox
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you know about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=965610#post965610 ?
[04:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there's still a number of those strange unicode errors in it, using English is a temporary workaround until I fix them all
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:51] <lucas_> how to use superkaramba with compiz??? the superkaramba stay on top!!! is possible fiz it? i'm sorry for my english....
[04:52] <lucas_> how to use superkaramba with compiz??? the superkaramba stay on top!!! is possible fix it? i'm sorry for my english....
[04:52] <mhterres> sorry, but what's compitz ?
[04:52] <gamxx> xgl ;P
[04:53] <lucas_> compiz is a window manager... to use with xgl... they have mutch effects, including 3d...
[04:53] <klondike> anyone has made working audacity on breezy?
[04:53] <lucas_> yah... xgl...
[04:53] <mhterres> hmmm
[04:55] <klondike> well if it can't be auda city any program to recor voice fro th microphone on ogg format
[04:55] <klondike> wich so you prefer?
[04:56] <Khaotik> Still nobody here with any idea how to set up a MAC network bridge?
[04:56] <Khaotik> With my 2 NICs
[04:58] <lucas_> other question, my ecr options, in kcontrol, don't open... i'm using kubuntu dapper, anyone have this problem?
[04:59] <lucas_> or display options, ecr is in Brazilian Portuguese
[05:03] <hupp3l> hey I actually have a question on getting a webhost
[05:04] <kimo> I'm on dapper, this network-manager-kde thing is always disabled in my tray!!
[05:06] <juliette> hello, I can't wash wmv files in firefox with mplayer plugin or vlc plugin anybody knows why?
[05:06] <juliette> sorry for my english
[05:07] <mindspin> !f
[05:07] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mindspin
[05:07] <mindspin> !fr
[05:07] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:08] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell juliette about w32codecs
[05:08] <kimo> ubotu: hi mr bot
[05:08] <ubotu> kimo: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:09] <juliette> yes I have w32codecs and I installed differents plugins wish are suposed to manage wmv
[05:10] <robotgeek> juliette: maybe it has drm? not sure
[05:10] <juliette> but when I click on a link to a wmv video I get the download dialog
[05:10] <robotgeek> juliette: no, that is not really an indicator that it can play
[05:11] <alexnicol> Where is the Install New Theme option in System Settings?
[05:11] <alexnicol> I cant seem to find it anymore
[05:11] <Haribo^> uh, is there a program similiar to charmap in ubuntu? and if not, is there a way to do high-ascii?
[05:12] <robotgeek> alexnicol, use alt + f2, type "kcontrol" in the text box, and hit the <enter> key
[05:14] <juliette> robotgeek are you realy a bot?
[05:15] <alexnicol> robotgeek: Thanks - but I now come back to a previous problem I have had
[05:15] <alexnicol> It reckons that Qt is not installed
[05:15] <alexnicol> even though I have no other options in adept for it
[05:20] <krenx> im wondering why my old configs for games dont work, i copied them from my burned cd too the game cfg dir and renamed them to .conf instead of .cfg, when i run the game they are just overwritten
[05:23] <mth`MAW> hi
[05:24] <yanis> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:24] <robotgeek> yanis: please don't do that
[05:25] <krenx> robotgeek: you know ?
[05:25] <robotgeek> krenx: sorry, i don't play games
[05:26] <krenx> k
[05:27] <yanis> sorry robotgeek
[05:43] <virnik> krenx: try to chattr them to +i, they will became imunne to overwriting
[05:44] <krenx> virnik: I dont know what you just said
[05:44] <krenx> with the chattr them to +i part
[05:49] <mindspin> !tell me about easyubuntu
[05:51] <ep> Is it possible to apt-get Koffice 1.5 in breezy or must I 'upgrade' to dapper in order to obtain this.
[05:51] <ninHer> hi all
[05:51] <robotgeek> ep: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-15.php
[05:52] <ep> I'm not an upgrade junkie but 1.5 does ODF and 1.4 doesn't (i think)
[05:54] <vge> hey, how i can use perform in konversation?
[05:55] <Search4Lancer> good question
[05:56] <vge> "perform on connect", thats the name i have learned for it
[05:58] <jpatrick> vge: that's the commands it should do on log in
[05:58] <vge> ic, it's the "command" field
[05:58] <vge> kinda bad named
[05:58] <cenobyte> i need some serious help please
[05:59] <cenobyte> when i boot up kubuntu it wont go into X
[05:59] <cenobyte> anyone here
[06:00] <mhterres> your video driver is correct ?
[06:00] <jpatrick> cenobyte: no error?
[06:00] <cenobyte> yeah
[06:01] <mhterres> you should look at the report errors of X
[06:01] <cenobyte> what happened was i tried to edit the mouse part in xorg to get my left and right side buttons working and after i edited it it will not let me in X
[06:01] <mhterres> hmmm
[06:01] <cenobyte> this is what i did http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/#enable-5button-mouse
[06:01] <mhterres> use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:01] <vge> cenobyte: hope you have your backup from xorg.conf
[06:02] <cenobyte> no
[06:02] <cenobyte> i should have backed up but i didnt
[06:02] <vge> naah, use what mhterres suggested :)
[06:02] <vge> backup is allways a +
[06:02] <mhterres> cenobyte: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:02] <cenobyte> ok ill have to leave because im in knoppix right now
[06:03] <mhterres> ok
[06:03] <mhterres> dpkg-reconfigure will guide you
[06:04] <cenobyte> k ill try it and let u know if it works brb when im done
[06:04] <mhterres> ok
[06:05] <krenx> wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Could not map sound device for direct access (Input / output error)
[06:05] <krenx> how do i fix this     ?
[06:07] <n3storm> Krenx: what when where
[06:08] <gamxx> buuuu, adept still not working :(
[06:08] <mhterres> so, you'll have to use apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[06:08] <mhterres> that is the same
[06:08] <krenx> n3storm: when im trying to launch a game with wine from terminal, the game works but not the sound
[06:09] <jarle> I have problem installing my printer, I select the driver from the list in KDE Print, but then I get "Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C86,gimp-print] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation." And I AM running in administrator mode... any ideas?
[06:09] <n3storm> krenx: sorry I can't help you with wine
[06:09] <gamxx> i did apt-get update, upgrade too, and nothing new ;/
[06:09] <n3storm> are you sure that the game works?
[06:09] <n3storm> under linux?
[06:11] <ep> i added the key per these instructions http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-15.php, then I did sudo apt-get update.  Then I ran synaptic and the koffice version is still listed as 1.4 not 1.5.  So what gets installed if I apt-get install koffice ?
[06:11] <krenx> n3storm: alrite, ill ask in winehq
[06:11] <n3storm> krenx: check google too
[06:12] <kagou> anyone know where/how kprinter save configuration for user default printer (not in ~/.cups/lpotions) ?
[06:13] <krenx> n3storm: yeah, just did and got a good answer :)
[06:13] <n3storm> great!
[06:15] <ep> I have breezy and I'm trying to acquire koffice 1.5.  I added the key per the instructions above however apt-cache showpkg koffice still list 1.4x What am I doing wrong?
[06:17] <cenobyte> i would like to say thankyou to whoever helped me with the X problem i was having
[06:18] <ep> Oh, I see.   I think have to use one of the deb files listed on the same page. I've never installed via a deb file.  How do I do this via the CLI?
[06:18] <cenobyte> the code "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" fixed the problem so thankyou very much
[06:20] <ubuntu> is there another way to install kubuntu dapper? ... i cant get installer to work right
[06:21] <Seantater> ubuntu: yes
[06:21] <ubuntu> how?
[06:21] <Seantater> ubuntu: install breezy badger first, then upgrade to dapper using apt
[06:21] <ubuntu> besides dist-upgrade..
[06:21] <ubuntu> is there any disadvantages to that?
[06:21] <Seantater> some
[06:21] <Seantater> one being that sometimes dependancies become problems
[06:22] <ubuntu> *sigh*
[06:22] <Seantater> In Aplha, there about a 10% chance, betas a 5% chance, IMO
[06:22] <Seantater> so you can take your chances
[06:22] <Seantater> however, soon, expresso will be out
[06:22] <ubuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=167404
[06:22] <ubuntu> thats my problem
[06:23] <Seantater> sunrex: be patient
[06:23] <Seantater> sunrex: They'll fix it
[06:23] <Sunrex> Seantater: i know, but its sad..
[06:24] <Seantater> sunrex: hey -- is there a way I can help, I know python
[06:24] <ep> If installing dapper from CD. Which would be the better route, install ubuntu then apt-get kubuntu-desktop or to just install kubuntu straight off?
[06:24] <Seantater> ep: probably starting with kubuntu
[06:24] <Sunrex> whats faster and more customizable? gnome or KDE
[06:24] <Seantater> ep: that way, you don;t waste disk space
[06:24] <ep> ok
[06:25] <Seantater> ep: but then again, if that's not a problem, try them all!
[06:25] <Seantater> ep: xubuntu can be interesting..
[06:25] <vge> Sunrex: KDE is more customizable but Gnome is faster