[05:24] <ScottL> persia, i made good progress (I think) tonight on the plymouth theme packaging, at least in a quantitative sense if not qualitatively as well
[05:26] <ScottL> I think this should be a new package rather than an update to the existing theme-usplash-ubuntustudio package since this is NOT a usplash theme
[05:26] <ScottL> and if it is a new package are we having to go through REVU?
[05:27] <ScottL> ah, I just saw TheMuso is on as well, same question(s) ^^^
[05:27] <TheMuso> ScottL: I think adding it to ubuntustudio-look is a better bet. Having a package go through binary new rather than deal with source new as well is much easier.
[05:28] <ScottL> okay, i'll download the ubuntustudio-look source tomorrow night and integrate the plymouth them into it
[05:29] <ScottL> by the way, I think this will make me feel better on another front
[05:29] <ScottL> i was using the xubuntu-plymouth-theme as a template and noticed that it is integrated into xubuntu-artwork which includes icons, gdm and a bunch of other stuff i'm too tired to remember
[05:31] <ScottL> TheMuso, I believe at this point we do not have a login background, if this is true then can I do something to correct this?
[05:31] <TheMuso> ScottL: We do have a login background, but it requires a fix relating to gdm to be made. I really need to look into that.
[05:31] <ScottL> i also saw something, somewhere that said plymouth conflicts with gdm which confused me :/ but that will have to wait until tomorrow to worry about
[05:32] <ScottL> TheMuso, ah, very good  1) i wasn't mistaken, 2) someone else is (probably) going to figure out all the widdly bits
[05:32] <ScottL> but if you do need someone to the leg work please let me know how I can help
[05:34]  * ScottL is going to bed
[05:42] <TheMuso> ScottL: night
[18:51] <jussi01> ScottL: nice work on the mail
[19:13] <ScottL_> thanks jussi01 , i had been meaning to do that earlier but got wrapped up in the plymouth theme amongst other odds and ends
[19:13] <ScottL_> i hope everyone likes the description i used, i really wanted to stress that the forums are not only for asking for help
[19:14] <jussi01> ScottL: I did.
[19:23] <ScottL_> good :)
[22:42] <ScottL_> We now have a forum at Ubuntu Forums that says "Ubuntu Studio" instead of "Mulitmedia Production"
[22:46] <ScottL_> i'll work up an email tonight or tomorrow for the -users mailing list that mentions it and encourages people to post there with things other than just problems
[22:47] <ScottL_> stochastic: can you make/adjust a sticky to mention the change also within the forum?
[23:32] <stochastic> ScottL, I'm not sure exactly that a sticky is needed.  What would it consist of?


[13:21] <mitt> Hi, have ye tried 15.04 with Unity 8 and Mir? What's yer take on this?
[13:25] <mitt> okay, better ask forums
[14:09] <dcwilliams_VA> good morning all


[02:37] <Fritigern> !jahshaka
[02:38] <Fritigern> Ah, no Ubotu here. Should have checked first
[02:38] <Fritigern> No wait, there he/she/it is
[02:38] <Fritigern> I must have done it wrong then.
[02:39] <Fritigern> Oh, it pm'ed me. LOL
[05:28] <akiva__> http://ibin.co/1cJILIm4X6ia dpkg is broken after running that script as sudo
[06:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:24] <lordievader> Morning elfy ;)
[06:25] <elfy> morning lordievader :)
[09:40] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:40] <lordievader> o/
[09:40] <lordievader> vitimiti: How did your important call go?
[09:40] <vitimiti> Perfect
[09:41] <lordievader> vitimiti: Congratulations ;)
[09:41] <vitimiti> thx
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:32] <mac_nibblet> Has anyone successfully installed ubuntu 1410 on a intel nuc ?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> mac_nibblet, I don't see why you can't,  intel hardware is very linux friendly. I have 14.10 installed on this lenovo intel equipped laptop
[12:35] <mac_nibblet> BluesKaj: i have a problem that anytime i install a recent version of ubuntu, it installs fine
[12:35] <mac_nibblet> but then on the reboot it does not recognize the boot drive
[12:37] <BluesKaj> what do you see when you boot ?
[12:37] <mac_nibblet> it cannot find a drive to boot up from
[12:39] <BluesKaj> what kind of drive ?
[12:40] <mac_nibblet> mSata
[12:40] <mac_nibblet> ssd
[12:40] <BluesKaj> mac_nibblet, make sure you have the correct drive as first in the boot sequence in the BIOS
[12:40] <mac_nibblet> but also had the problem on my old laptop
[12:41] <mac_nibblet> BluesKaj: jupp already checked that
[12:41] <lordievader> mac_nibblet: Does it give a kernel panic?
[12:41] <mac_nibblet> lordievader: if it does not find a bootable drive how do you expect the kernel to run :D?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> so grub isn't showing up ?
[12:42] <lordievader> mac_nibblet: Ah I thought you where at a next stage.
[12:42] <lordievader> mac_nibblet: Uefi?
[12:42] <mac_nibblet> laptop is legacy boot
[12:42] <mac_nibblet> and nuc is UEFI
[12:43] <BluesKaj> ma do you have legacy boot option?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> mac_nibblet,^
[12:44] <mac_nibblet> i do
[12:44] <BluesKaj> use that
[12:44] <mac_nibblet> eh
[12:45] <BluesKaj> uefi is mostly for windows gpt , no windows gpt , no need for uefi
[12:46] <lordievader> BluesKaj: No, it is the successor for the BIOS.
[12:46] <mac_nibblet> i was just about to say that
[12:46] <BluesKaj> then disable secure boot
[12:46] <lordievader> Supposedly it is a lot faster than the BIOS.
[12:46] <lordievader> And more flexible. More modern at any rate.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> modedrn eh, modern problems too.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> what good is modern if it mucks up your boot
[12:50] <lordievader> mac_nibblet: If you use UEFI do you have a bios partition?
[12:50] <mac_nibblet> no
[12:51] <mac_nibblet> should i ?
[12:51] <lordievader> Not sure, don't really have experience with UEFI.
[12:51] <mac_nibblet> it's weird because i just created the partition table myself
[12:51] <mac_nibblet> and everything works
[12:51] <mac_nibblet> but the automatic partition table didn't
[12:52] <BluesKaj> did you use auto partitioning during the install?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> if you prepartitioned the drive before the install, then use manual partitioning during the install and just set the mount points
[13:01] <bipul> Hello.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hi bipul
[13:02] <bipul> I have just downloaded 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/. And i have installed on my Virtualbox which is up to date. My problem is after installation I am unable to loged in.
[13:02] <bipul> Hello BluesKaj
[13:03] <lordievader> bipul: You dont get lightdm?
[13:03] <bipul> lightdm?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> login page
[13:04] <lordievader> You might be suffering from bug 1375805
[13:04] <bipul> lordievader: Yes i got the login page. But when i signed in my credential(ID/PASSOWRD) information
[13:04] <bipul> I am unable to get unity
[13:05] <bipul> I mean i am not able to loged in.
[13:05] <bipul> Yes even i have try rrescue mode
[13:06] <lordievader> bipul: Anything in your xsession-errors log?
[13:07] <bipul> lordievader: no error
[13:07] <bipul> lordievader: This bug has issue with booting. but here i am able to boot.
[13:07] <bipul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1375805
[13:07] <BluesKaj> update and upgrade, then startx
[13:08] <elfy> 1375805 is fixed
[13:08] <bipul> BluesKaj: How can i update when i am not able to loged in.
[13:08] <bipul> Neither this key ALT  CTRL F2 is working .
[13:08] <elfy> bipul: exactly what happens - you start the vm and you end up at a black screen? what happens if you got to tty1?
[13:09] <elfy> is it there?
[13:09] <lordievader> bipul: From lightdm you jump to a tty.
[13:09] <bipul> no i am not able to get even tty1
[13:09] <elfy> and if you are using vbox you have to do <host>+1
[13:09] <elfy> host by default in vbox is the Right Ctrl
[13:11] <elfy> if you get there - login - then dpkg -l systemd - you should have 208-8ubuntu7, if you don't then apt-get update and upgrade
[13:11] <elfy> then reboot
[13:11] <BluesKaj> bipul,, ctl+alt+f1-f6, login , then update and upgrade , then startx
[13:11] <BluesKaj> oh forgot vb..NM
[13:12] <bipul> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2vkg9lj&s=8#.VC1PItbSoWM see
[13:13] <BluesKaj> oops was distracted by the Bell guy  in my backyard...he's not supposed to show up 'til monday
[13:13] <elfy> bipul: right
[13:14] <elfy> bipul: and this with the image released on the 2nd October?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> bi , guest addition installed?
[13:15] <bipul> yes
[13:15] <bipul> elfy: Yes http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[13:16] <elfy> what is dekstop-next?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> ppa
[13:16] <elfy> so not normal anything at all then?
[13:17] <bipul> nothing next, it stuck like that way
[13:18] <elfy> we're talking about the image bipul - desktop-next is not normal ubuntu
[13:18] <bipul> ohh
[13:19] <bipul> :p
[13:21] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:25] <bipul> elfy: I think it's bug.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> bipul, use the image that elfy posted , the next image is experimental, not stable on a lot of systems
[13:29] <bipul> yes i have downloaded from that link
[13:30] <BluesKaj> good
[13:33] <bipul> BluesKaj: But still there is a issue with utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:34] <BluesKaj> bipul, same issue?
[13:36] <bipul> BluesKaj: I have given you a link of a screenshot, where it is clearly shown that, it's unity is not able to get load.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> bipul, ok, this could be a question for #virtualbox
[13:41] <bipul> BluesKaj: huh?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> or #vbox
[13:41] <elfy> bipul: please check a couple of things
[13:41] <bipul> BluesKaj: but what should i ask there? the problem is with the .iso file.
[13:41] <elfy> do RightCtrl+1 then login
[13:42] <elfy> then dpkg -l systemd - what version does it show
[13:42] <elfy> also run sudo service lightdm status - what does that show
[13:43] <elfy> but at the end of the day I'm a bit meh about ubuntu issues
[13:43] <elfy> best place to ask first would be #ubuntu-quality
[13:43] <bipul> elfy: I think i am able to loged in. but this shortcut keys are not working. I am not able to get terminal or even tty with ALT+CTRL+F2
[13:44] <elfy> sigh
[13:44] <lordievader> elfy: Wasn't ubuntu-desktop-next the Unity Mir thing, or something like that?
[13:44] <elfy> bipul: please do RIGHTCTRL+1 as you were asked
[13:44] <elfy> lordievader: yea guess so - I'm even more meh about that lol
[13:44] <lordievader> elfy: Exactly ;)
[13:44] <bipul> Yes i have pressed the Right CTRL
[13:45] <elfy> +1
[13:45] <bipul> yes
[13:45] <bipul> working
[13:45] <elfy> right - so do the other things I've asked please and tell us the version of systemd and the status of lightdm
[13:46] <bipul> ok sure.
[13:55] <bipul> Well, after getting into tty mode, i have updated it and upgraded it. After that i have used startx to start with GUI mode, then i have been asked to install xinit Package.I have installed that package after again when i try with startx i was getting Blank screen
[13:55] <lordievader> bipul: Seems like you are missing packages...
[13:57] <elfy> and not all that good at giving people information they've asked for
[13:58] <bipul> Yes when i get back to tty, it shows me xauth: file /home/bipul/.Xauthority does not exist
[13:58] <lordievader> bipul: Read the backlog and answer elfy's questions please
[13:58] <bipul> ok
[14:03] <bipul> elfy:  dpkg -l systemd this is the command?
[14:03] <elfy> yes - so is the other one
[14:03] <elfy> there are 2 commands
[14:03] <bipul> 208-8ubuntu7
[14:04] <bipul> there to many -cron ,-dbg,-gui,-shiv,-sysv,-ui
[14:04] <elfy> ?
[14:05] <elfy> sudo service lightdm status is the other one - but it's all a bit late now - you've done other things and have logged in
[14:06] <bipul> well when i executed this command dpkg -l systemd , I got 208-8ubuntu7 in version.
[14:06] <elfy> yea ok - that's the current version
[14:06] <elfy> and should be if you downloaded and installed the latest ubuntu desktop image
[14:07] <elfy> if you've still got an issue I'd go and ask in #ubuntu-quality if someone else is seeing the same issue as you
[14:07] <bipul> yes just now 2 hours before i have downloaded that .iso file
[14:08] <elfy> the wrong one - that was desktop-next - that's not ubuntu
[14:08] <elfy> if you've got problems with ubuntu-next ask in #ubuntu-quality what would be the best place to go to ask about it
[14:08] <bipul> elfy: oh ok, i will
[14:09] <bipul> status
[14:21] <elfy> for anyone following and not knowing - which I didn't - ubuntu-next fails in vm currently :)
[14:27] <lordievader> elfy: You tested it?
[14:27] <elfy> no - it's in a wiki :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso
[14:27] <lordievader> bipul: ^
[14:27] <elfy> I only just about bother trying the ubuntu images
[14:28] <lordievader> Ah, fun.
[14:28] <elfy> lordievader: bipul knows - he went to -quality found out there :)
[14:28] <bipul> lordievader: yes
[14:28] <lordievader> elfy: Thanks for the heads up tough :)
[14:28] <elfy> I only just about bother trying the ubuntu images when there might be an issue that's *buntu wide so I don't have to worry the small xubuntu team
[14:29] <elfy> is what I meant to say :)
[14:29]  * bipul is new to testing.
[14:29] <elfy> bipul: we all were once :)
[14:29] <bipul> :) yeah , I wanted to learn this art of testing.
[14:30] <lordievader> bipul: Checkout kvm, its faster and nicer than vb ;)
[14:30] <elfy> and picked something odd to start with :D
[14:30] <bipul> oh ok
[14:32]  * elfy started looking at kvm once
[15:00] <vitimiti> Hi
[15:01] <lordievader> o/
[15:23] <BluesKaj> elfy, how did bipul's install go?
[15:30] <elfy> BluesKaj: was trying to install desktop-next in a vm - that doesn't work apparently
[15:31] <BluesKaj> elfy, yes it's very experimental and unstable
[15:32] <elfy> indeed - I wasn't aware that it's that bad in vm though :)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> thought he was trying to install the regular image..still think VB was mucking it up
[15:33] <elfy> no he was definitely trying -next
[15:33] <elfy> and today's image works in vb here
[15:34] <BluesKaj> thought he had switched
[15:34] <elfy> nope
[15:35] <ObrienDave> ooo, dailies working in VB finally?
[15:35] <elfy> well xubuntu is - not tried others
[15:35] <BluesKaj> perhaps his VB settings weren't correct ...graphics
[15:36] <elfy> BluesKaj: it's a known issue with vb
[15:36] <ObrienDave> ok, will try studio and xubuntu in a bit
[15:36] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso
[15:36] <elfy> Better to test on real hardware since Mir doesn't support VMs yet (though it's said to be working in vmware with 3d enabled)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> not a VM fan, don't think I ever will be
[15:37] <elfy> :)
[15:38] <elfy> I'd not use them for anything destined to be installed for longer than a day
[16:39] <dupondje> new bug since recently ?
[16:39] <dupondje> got a cursor being stuck in the middle of my screen
[16:39] <dupondje> just the image of a cursor. Can move my cursor, but a duplicate is stuck in the middle :(
[19:18] <vitimiti> Hi
[19:20] <elfy> hi vitimiti - how's Thursday going
[19:21] <vitimiti> Fine, thanks


[20:08] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: ignore the error and say Y to install medibuntu-keyring
[20:08] <White_Pelican> ty :)
[20:09] <genii> Becker_11: My first suspicion is that the cd drive has has a hardware failure
[20:10] <Becker_11> genii ok ...
[20:10] <genii> Becker_11: When you look in the bios of your laptop, does it show the cd drive is being recognised there?
[20:10] <Becker_11> genii many thanks for your time I must go kid is sick and crying thankyou
[20:10] <bobo> can i use awn with kubuntu
[20:10] <White_Pelican> mefisto__, W: Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/hardy/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  510 Not Extended [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[20:11] <kkathman> bobo try cairo-dock I think you'll be happier with that than AWN :)
[20:12] <bobo> how do i get it
[20:12] <bobo> repos
[20:12] <bobo> adept
[20:12] <ilkin> hi again
[20:12] <bobo> micah
[20:12] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: try it again. seems like trouble connecting to the server
[20:13] <ilkin> is there any soft for viewing windows help files .chm?
[20:13] <White_Pelican> so retry the command later?
[20:15] <trappist> ilkin: kchmviewer
[20:16] <trappist> also chmsee and xchm
[20:16] <ilkin> thank you
[20:17] <White_Pelican> I retried the command and it looks like it went through, so now apt-get install skype?
[20:18] <bobo> does cairo-dock have a launcher feature to it
[20:19] <White_Pelican> ok skype is coming in
[20:19] <White_Pelican> thanks for your help
[20:19] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: yes
[20:20] <White_Pelican> :)
[20:26] <White_Pelican> during the last update, it wanted to install kde 4.1 rc1, what's your recommendation, mefisto__ ?
[20:27] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: I don't use kde4, so don't really know
[20:28] <White_Pelican> ok fair enough
[20:28] <White_Pelican> my base system is kde 3 though
[20:28] <White_Pelican> I'm simply testing out kde 4 and playing certain kde4 games
[20:31] <White_Pelican> as far a I'm concerned (as well as kde), it's just a testing branch, not ready for prime time as I am fond of putting it
[20:34]  * genii sips
[20:41] <mefisto__> I'm installing kde4.1 now
[20:53] <voyager_> sorry one question...   in kubuntu-es no people
[20:53] <voyager_> why?
[20:53] <genii> voyager_: Probably because most people find assistance in English from this channel instead
[20:55] <voyager_> ok thanks
[20:59] <voyager_> ok, this is my dude for kubuntu-es:   i'cant install s5 (openoffice presentation, slidy...)  i' need make a presentation...  others program please...    sorry my horrible english
[21:06] <joshual> hey folks anyone have a screenshot of kde 4.1 RC1 ?
[21:07] <genii> voyager_: Perhaps pyslide    Although I have not used it and so cannot offer any opinion or assistance on it
[21:07] <voyager_> ok thanks
[21:08] <engineer> are kde4.1 packages available?
[21:08] <joshual> i think so
[21:08] <genii> engineer: Perhaps ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:08] <engineer> ye deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[21:09] <voyager_> i'can running pyslide in others machines whithout kubuntu or python???
[21:15] <PHANT0Ma> hello, can anybody give /boot dir from kubuntu 8.04?
[21:21] <jpetso> wah, panic. kdepimlibs5 is already updated to rc1, but kmail and libkdepim4-kde4 are not
[21:28] <bobo> god i love this os its awesome
[21:28] <rickest> hear, hear!
[21:29] <enrry> goodnight!
[21:30] <moshe> hi, i have ~/.ssh/id_rsa private key which is password protected, so ssh in console asks me for the password of the key every time before the password of remove user. the problem is that in GUI (ex. kio in konqueror) it also thinks that the password entered is for the key and not for remote user. is there a way to disable checking for private key password in gui? thanks
[21:31] <moshe> *remove=remote
[21:32] <opression> hey..
[21:33] <opression> any online for help?
[21:33] <engineer> !ask
[21:33] <engineer> !anyone
[21:33] <bob3213243_>  what is a video chat program that will work with ichat?
[21:33] <moshe> engineer: like me right? :P still no one answers :(
[21:33] <opression> how to install kubuntu, i have 800mhz 256 ram.. 10gb hdd, my old comp.. wubi say.. : you need 256mb memory
[21:34] <engineer> put the cd one
[21:34] <engineer> and install it
[21:35] <engineer> on*
[21:35] <engineer> no moshe
[21:35] <opression> i can't
[21:35] <opression> i'm from bosnia, and don't known supper english
[21:35] <engineer> moshe if you get no answer, either no one knows or no one cares
[21:35] <opression> can't open wubi
[21:35] <opression> wubi say : you need at least 256mb of memory to run the installer
[21:35] <opression> :S
[21:35] <moshe> :-\
[21:36] <opression> i'm have 256 memory :-) Lhol
[21:36] <engineer> hmm
[21:36] <genii> Probably your onboard video card is chewing up the motherboard ram and leaving you with less than 256 available
[21:36] <opression> look :)
[21:37] <engineer> ye, some system reserved ram
[21:37] <Babuto> hi, i can't connect internet with ethernet. Is there anyone to help ?
[21:37] <engineer> Babuto sudo dhclient
[21:38] <engineer> and your problem description is rather poor
[21:38] <engineer> no queries ffs
[21:38] <engineer> damn frenchies
[21:39] <opression> my problem
[21:39] <opression> look : http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4708/14331690ck3.jpg
[21:39] <Babuto> sorry
[21:39] <mazinga> hi boy, i have problem for DVD original and Kaffeine...
[21:40] <engineer> opression have you tried using the live cd?
[21:40] <engineer> and installing it from kubuntu
[21:40] <opression> i'm use live cd.. :S
[21:40] <engineer> ye but from windows
[21:41] <opression> ya..
[21:41] <engineer> use it from linux
[21:41] <opression> don't have installed linux
[21:41] <engineer> Babuto so is your card down
[21:41] <engineer> opression run the live cd after your computer boots
[21:42] <opression> in bios?
[21:42] <opression> i'm n00b mean.. help me
[21:42] <Babuto> no it works well on windows with the same connection
[21:42] <Babuto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27557/
[21:42] <engineer> the cd should boot
[21:42] <engineer> not the hard disk
[21:42] <engineer> change the boot sequence if needed
[21:43] <engineer> Babuto ping www.google.com
[21:43] <engineer> tell me the output of that
[21:43] <Babuto> it works
[21:43] <engineer> you're connected then
[21:44] <Babuto> but it just doesn't work
[21:45] <engineer> what doesn't work
[21:45] <Babuto> i can't browse
[21:46] <engineer> tried different browsers
[21:46] <genii> dns
[21:46] <Babuto> i tried
[21:46] <engineer> check if you have proxies set
[21:46] <opression> engineer, don't have free space on HDD i have only 2gb.. ?? it's error? :S
[21:46] <engineer> opression windows is installed i suppose
[21:47] <engineer> and occupying some space
[21:47] <awkward_moment> Is anyone having a problem with the taskbar in compiz?
[21:47] <engineer> no
[21:47] <jussi01> !tab
[21:47] <jussi01> crap, wrong window... oh well
[21:47] <genii> awkward_moment: Ask in #compiz-fusion please
[21:47] <engineer> wtf
[21:50] <DarkAudit> I tried again, this time through synaptic. Apt-build is building packages, then downloading and installing the package from the regular ubuntu repositories. There is NO local repository line in sources.list, even after dpkg asks me if I want to put the line there. There *is* the line in sources.list.save, but does that mean anything? I had to have missed something setting apt-build up in Hardy, but WHAT?
[21:53] <josa> where can i change login and logoff sounds
[21:54] <mefisto__> josa: systemsettings > notifications
[21:55] <josa> ah.. missed the "source" pull down menu
[21:56] <josa> the next question would be how to make the sounds work :/. everything except system sounds work
[22:03] <Babuto> engineer ?
[22:04] <engineer> yeah?
[22:04] <Babuto> i can do an apt-get install x but not apt-get update. That stucks on [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] ...
[22:04] <Babuto> and i don't have any proxy set
[22:04] <genii> Repo timing out
[22:04] <engineer> choose a different rep
[22:05] <Babuto> but the repo i have are working
[22:06] <Babuto> http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu mainly
[22:06] <Babuto> i can even ping it
[22:07] <Babuto> but i can't browse (firefox or konqueror)
[22:07] <[GuS]> guys,... i've download the Qt package to re-build the packge since i need its phonon lib enabled on compilation... but it seems that needs gst headers, even when i install it, still fails to compile it. Any solution? any tip?¿
[22:07] <Babuto> and i can't browse with lynx neither
[22:07] <engineer> Babuto do the browsers have proxies set?
[22:07] <Babuto> no
[22:08] <The_Zodiac> hola
[22:09] <Nece228> ahoy!
[22:09] <Babuto> you don't have any other idea ?
[22:09] <The_Zodiac> spangish???
[22:09] <The_Zodiac> spanglish
[22:09] <The_Zodiac> ???
[22:10] <genii> !es | The_Zodiac
[22:11] <The_Zodiac> ok bye
[22:14] <Babuto> thanks anyway for the help
[22:17] <bob3213243_>  ugh, I am having no luck getting video chat setup with OSX. Not sure what to do.
[22:18] <ahmed> i downloaded realplayer1.bin how to install it???
[22:19] <partha_> ahmed: why do you need realplayer? You can use mplayer to view realplayer files.
[22:20] <ahmed> partha_: i want to listen to radio streaming its a site which have radio its ot play i thought it need real player
[22:22] <engineer> !bin
[22:22] <engineer> ahmed ./file.bin
[22:22] <DarkAudit> there's and apt-build file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, should it be names apt-build.list like the other files in that directory are?
[22:23] <ahmed> engineer: i didnt get what u said
[22:25] <genii> ahmed: Follow instruction posted by the user called TheMacOne here: http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-install-the-realplayer-multimedia-player His post is about two thirds of the way down the page
[22:26] <ahmed> genii: thanks iĺl try
[22:32] <partha_> ahmed: hi. But I had to logout. Did you ask me something?
[22:34] <ahmed>  partha_: i want to listen to radio streaming its a site which have radio its ot play i thought it need real player
[22:35] <partha_> You might try that with mplayer or kaffeine. If it has a browser based interface, then mozilla mplayer plugin might work.
[22:35] <partha_> ahmed: I had problems before installing the real player binaries..
[22:36] <ahmed> u think its not the solution??
[22:36] <partha_> ahmed: you mean mplayer?
[22:37] <ahmed> partha_: i mean u think that if i install realplayer it will not make the radio work
[22:38] <partha_> ahmed: If you manage to install real player it should work. I had trouble installing real player. Then again that might be for 64 bit.
[22:38] <admin_> hey guys, I have a problem with apt with a dependency, happened before and someone explained what to do quickly , possibly with --force, I don't remmber. Here's the pastebin of it http://kubuntu.pastebin.org/51666
[22:39] <ahmed> partha_; i already have movie player and rhythum music player installed
[22:40] <partha_> ahmed: do you have mozilla-mplayer package installed?
[22:40] <ahmed> partha_:dont know let me check?
[22:42] <ahmed> partha_: it doesnt appears with extentions and addons of firwfox
[22:42] <partha_> can you try typing about:plugins in firefox address bar?
[22:43] <partha_> admin_: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite <package_location>
[22:44] <admin_> partha_: what would package location be
[22:44] <ahmed> partha_: do u mean this Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Totem)
[22:44] <partha_> in your case /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb
[22:44] <partha_> admin_: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb
[22:45] <partha_> admin_: then do apt-get upgrade again
[22:45] <admin_> thanks partha_ , it worked :)
[22:45] <partha_> you are welcome
[22:45] <kdavid> hello I have Kubuntu and I am trying to load pictures fron either usb or from my camera but nothing seems to detect anything what can I do?
[22:45] <partha_> admin_: you are welcome
[22:45] <admin_> kdavid: try to use gtkam as root, I have a similar problem
[22:46] <ahmed> partha_: do u mean this Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Totem)
[22:46] <kdavid> how do I use gtkam as root?
[22:46] <admin_> kdavid: after you install it, run in a terminal:  sudo gtkam
[22:46] <partha_> ahmed: no. You should see something like  "Realplayer 9 mplayerplug-in"
[22:47] <kdavid> ok I'll try it
[22:47] <ahmed> partha_:Helix DNA Plugin: RealPlayer G2 Plug-In Compatible (compatible; Totem)
[22:48]  * genii is tempted to rant about using sudo for graphical apps but refrains
[22:48] <partha_> Can you open up a konsole and type in sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer?
[22:50] <ahmed> partha_: ok
[22:54] <vipex> yay!" Anyone knows can i buy new graphic card  to my laptop:O?
[22:54] <kdavid> lolol I loaded it but it seems to freeze
[22:54] <trappist> vipex: very unlikely.  it's probably built into the motherboard.
[22:54] <engineer> you can't
[22:55] <genii> vipex: There are some external USB video cards but I wouldn't really recommend one
[22:55] <vipex> Umm but if i drive it from cd.?
[22:56] <kdavid> admin I loaded it but it seems to freeze
[22:56] <Walzmyn> !component
[22:56] <Walzmyn> !module
[22:56]  * Walzmyn frowns
[22:57] <Babuto> hi, is there someone to help ? I have problem with my internet connection (ethernet). I can ping but i can't do anything else
[22:57] <Walzmyn> oh, no wonder the bot wasn't helpful, i'm on the wrong tab :)
[22:57] <engineer> ...
[23:00] <kdavid> aanyone else having digital camera troubles?
[23:00] <kdavid> camera
[23:00] <MementoMori> hi
[23:00] <kdavid> digital camera
[23:01] <MementoMori>  which package has the documentation for posix/kernel API ?
[23:01] <kdavid> usb
[23:01] <MementoMori> i searched for manpages with aptitude but i found nothing relevant
[23:01] <MementoMori> !manpages
[23:01] <MementoMori> !manpage
[23:02] <kdavid> Kubuntu does'nt seem to recognize usb connections
[23:02] <MementoMori> !documentation
[23:02] <jussi01> !repeat | kdavid
[23:02] <genii> Babuto: Get from http://www.robtex.com/dns/tiscali.fr.html the IPs for your ISP's nameservers and then put these IP numbers into the file /etc/resolv.conf   in a way like: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>                for instance
[23:02] <jussi01> !man | MementoMori
[23:03] <MementoMori> jussi01: my problem is i miss the manpages i need
[23:03] <jussi01> MementoMori: is there something in /usr/share/doc ?
[23:03] <MementoMori> jussi01: and i dont know which package provide them
[23:04] <josa> http://www.geocities.com/smcameron/redhat_doc_rant.html :)
[23:04] <MementoMori> jussi01: it seems like i miss all chap 3
[23:05] <MementoMori> kdavid: which kind of usb device?
[23:06] <DarkAudit> apt-build install package is supposed to install the package it *just built*, correct?
[23:07] <ahmed> partha_: i installed it and the radio worked thanks man
[23:08] <Babuto> hi, is there someone to help ? I have problem with my internet connection (ethernet). I can ping but i can't do anything else
[23:08] <genii> Babuto: Geez. I just gave you the answer you needed.
[23:10] <Babuto> sorry genii i hadn't seen it
[23:10] <genii> Babuto: Get from http://www.robtex.com/dns/tiscali.fr.html the IPs for your ISP's nameservers and then put these IP numbers into the file /etc/resolv.conf   in a way like: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>                for instance
[23:11] <MementoMori> Babuto: try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:11] <kdavid> MementoMori: well I have been trying to use a external usb outlet and used my sd card on a card slot. Also I tried directly from a camera in a usb port nothing seems to work
[23:11] <MementoMori> Babuto: if it works add working nameserver to your configuration
[23:11] <genii> MementoMori: He has some dns issue, he can ping but broswser et al that use fqdn don't resolve
[23:12] <Babuto> ping <IP_ADDRESS> works
[23:12] <partha_> ahmed: welcome
[23:13] <MementoMori> genii: tell Babuto opendns nameserver address so he can do a echo "nameserver IP" > /etc/resolv.conf
[23:13] <Babuto> MementoMori i'm here ^^
[23:13] <MementoMori> kdavid: unplug the usb device camera from your pc
[23:14] <MementoMori> and open a konsole
[23:14] <kdavid> ok
[23:14] <MementoMori> Babuto: so search the opendns nameserver address and do a:
[23:14] <Babuto> how ?
[23:14] <MementoMori> Babuto: echo "nameserver xx.yy.xx.hh" > /etc/resolv.conf
[23:15] <MementoMori> Babuto: you are right
[23:15] <Babuto> i already added it
[23:15] <MementoMori> Babuto: where?
[23:15] <Babuto> in /etc/resolv.conf
[23:15] <genii> Babuto: echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolv.conf;echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolv.conf                     these are the nameserver IP of your internet provider Tiscali
[23:15] <MementoMori> kdavid: are you ready?
[23:15] <kdavid> yes
[23:16] <MementoMori> ok write this command:
[23:16] <genii> Babuto: After those two commands try to ping by name. Like: ping google.com
[23:16] <MementoMori> kdavid: tail -f /var/log/messages
[23:17] <Babuto> ping www.google.com was already working
[23:17] <MementoMori> kdavid: now plug your dev and paste all the new lines here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:18] <MementoMori> kdavid: tell me when you are ready
[23:18] <genii> Babuto: Unclick "Work Offline" in File menu of Firefox
[23:18] <Babuto> it's not clicked
[23:19] <Babuto> now, when i try to ping : unknown host www.google.om
[23:19] <Babuto> now, when i try to ping : unknown host www.google.com
[23:19] <MementoMori> kdavid: are you writing the lines by hand?
[23:20] <Babuto> what can i do next ?
[23:20] <MementoMori> Babuto: do you have windows on your pc?
[23:20] <kdavid> no I just pasted it
[23:20] <Babuto> yes
[23:20] <MementoMori> kdavid: gimme the link
[23:20] <kdavid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27582/
[23:21] <Babuto> but the problem isn't coming from here, because i can connect on others ethernet networks
[23:21] <MementoMori> Babuto: when you connect to internet do you use a username and password?
[23:21] <Babuto> no, i just have to plug the ethernet cable
[23:21] <Babuto> all my windows network is perfectly working
[23:21] <genii> Babuto: sudo dhclient -r eth0;sudo dhclient eth0                         then try ping test by name again
[23:22] <Babuto> my connection is on eth1
[23:22] <genii> Babuto: Substitute eth# name accordingly then
[23:22] <MementoMori> kdavid: you copy-pasted before you have plugged your device?
[23:22] <Babuto> ping name now works
[23:23] <genii> Babuto: You have an actual other ethernet adapter in there? That could explain the problem partly
[23:23] <kdavid> this one was when I plugged in the device you want it the other way?
[23:23] <MementoMori> no
[23:24] <Babuto> i have several computers connected by ethernet to my modem
[23:24] <DarkAudit> first things first. If I install apt-build, and use the command sudo apt-build install (package), is the locally built package going to be the one installed ot not?
[23:24] <Babuto> (the one i am talking from, for example)
[23:24] <MementoMori> kdavid: did you quit the last command?
[23:24] <genii> Babuto: That doesn't answer my question of how many physical ethernet adapters you have in your computer :)
[23:24] <kdavid> in terminal no
[23:25] <Babuto> oh sorry
[23:25] <Babuto> only one
[23:25] <MementoMori> quit it with CTRL+C and paste me the lsusb command output
[23:25] <Babuto> it's weird that i can ping but not browse :/
[23:26] <genii> Babuto: When ping by name works browsing should work
[23:26] <Babuto> but it doesn't :(
[23:26] <Babuto> even lynx www.google.com doesn't work
[23:26] <Babuto> "HTTP request sent; waiting for response"
[23:27] <kdavid> MementoMori: I don't know what you mean lsusb command output
[23:27] <MementoMori> kdavid: did you do CTRL+C?
[23:27] <genii> Babuto: Were you playing around with firewalls or iptables or such just before this started to happen?
[23:27] <kdavid> yes
[23:27] <MementoMori> ok so type in konsole:
[23:27] <MementoMori> lsusb
[23:28] <MementoMori> copy the output here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:28] <MementoMori> and tell me the link
[23:28] <Babuto> iptables ? no the problem is that my internet connection never worked on kubuntu (but i can connect to other ethernet connections)
[23:28] <kdavid> I typed in lsusb in terminal and nothing happened
[23:28] <Babuto> i have no firewall nor proxy set
[23:29] <MementoMori> hit return after lsusb
[23:29] <kdavid> I did nothing happened
[23:29] <MementoMori> :)
[23:30] <MementoMori> kdavid: close your konsole and open it again
[23:31] <kdavid> do I type anything else in like sudo?
[23:31] <MementoMori> kdavid: (you surely havent closed the tail logging..)
[23:31] <MementoMori> no
[23:31] <kdavid> ok
[23:31] <MementoMori> in a new konsole run lsusb
[23:32] <Babuto> MementoMori, genii : do you have any other idea ?
[23:32] <genii> Babuto: The internet connection works in some capacity obviously.Ping and irc seem to work for you. The browser or browser traffic seems to be the problem.
[23:32] <DarkAudit> what the bleep am I doing wrong here with apt-build? It *looks* like dpkg set it up correctly, but when I do sudo apt-build install package, the package that just got built is ignored in favor of the regular repository version. What did I miss here??
[23:32] <Babuto> irc doesn't work !
[23:32] <Babuto> i'm on another computer
[23:33] <MementoMori> Babuto: if you have only one eth card and you can ping www names I dont see why you cant browse
[23:33] <genii> Babuto: Ah, OK. I had thought you were on the same box then.
[23:33] <Babuto> MementoMori : neither do i
[23:33] <kdavid> I typed it in then it just blinks with the black cursor underneath
[23:33] <genii> MementoMori: I'm suspecting some router filtering
[23:33] <MementoMori> Babuto: try http://<IP_ADDRESS> in your browser
[23:33] <MementoMori> kdavid: so?
[23:34] <Babuto> Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> ... it doesn't work
[23:34] <kdavid> just telling you what is happening
[23:34] <Babuto> it seems that all the http protocol doesn't work
[23:34] <genii> Babuto: That is why I am suspecting something firewall related
[23:35] <MementoMori> kdavid: hit return after you write lsusb
[23:35] <Babuto> is there any firewall pre-installed with kubuntu hardy ?
[23:35] <kdavid> MementoMori:  I did
[23:36] <gl4619196> how do i remove my user account?
[23:36] <genii> Babuto: There shouldn't be, except for default settings of iptables
[23:36] <Babuto> or may i have to redirect ports in my modem ?
[23:36] <gl4619196> and add a new one?
[23:36] <gl4619196> im using kubuntu
[23:36] <MementoMori> kdavid: maybe the usb subsystem crashed
[23:36] <MementoMori> kdavid: so do that:
[23:37] <alan> hola alguien que hable español
[23:37] <genii> Babuto: Are you able to use browser to get into your modem from kubuntu box?
[23:37] <MementoMori> kdavid: restart your pc, log here again, plug your dev, open a konsole and run lsusb
[23:38] <kdavid> ok
[23:38] <genii> !es | alan
[23:38] <MementoMori> kdavid: I'm going to have
[23:38] <MementoMori> a cigarette
[23:38] <MementoMori> I'll wait 4 you
[23:39] <Babuto> not from my kubuntu box
[23:39] <Babuto> (i tried to open port 80 for the kubuntu box, but it didn't change a thing
[23:39] <Babuto> )
[23:39] <genii> gl4619196: Removing a user from inside that same users login is somewhat problemmatic. Easier to add a new one, give them sudo rights, then login there and delete the first one.
[23:40] <Babuto> (i can't browse the configuration of the modem but i can ping it ...)
[23:40] <gl4619196> ok but how do i add a new one?
[23:40] <gl4619196> genii
[23:40] <genii> Babuto: Were you online when you installed kubuntu?
[23:41] <Babuto> no but i upgraded my distribution online and i staied several days with a connection so my distribution is up-to-date
[23:42] <alan> ok muchas gracias ubottu
[23:42] <genii> gl4619196: sudo adduser newname                      then put them in adm group by:    sudo usermod -G -a adm newname
[23:43] <Babuto> so ... ? i'll just have to stay on windows ? ;d
[23:44] <genii> gl4619196: Then you can login with the new name which has sudo rights by belonging to group adm and do: sudo deluser oldname
[23:44] <MementoMori> Babuto: paste these commands:
[23:44] <MementoMori> 1) ifconfig eth0
[23:45] <Babuto> eth1 ?
[23:45] <MementoMori> 2) cat /etc/resolv.conf
[23:45] <MementoMori> 3) route -n
[23:45] <gl4619196> room number?
[23:45] <gl4619196> what should i type?
[23:45] <MementoMori> Babuto: 4) ifconfig eth1
[23:45] <genii> MementoMori: Remember that he has no browser and so therefore no pastebin
[23:45] <Pepcok^PotLS> hi
[23:46] <MementoMori> genii: how does he connect here?
[23:46] <Pepcok^PotLS> would you recomend me any program which let me see animated gif files?
[23:46] <genii> MementoMori: He's on a second box
[23:46] <MementoMori> Babuto: ok so wait
[23:47] <Babuto> MementoMori
[23:47] <MementoMori> Babuto: run this:
[23:47] <Babuto> wait i will transfer by an usb key
[23:48] <MementoMori> Babuto: ifconfig eth0 > conf.txt; ifconfig eth1 >> conf.txt; route -n >> conf.txt; cat /etc/resolv.conf >> conf.txt
[23:48] <MementoMori> then copy conf.txt on a pendrive and paste it
[23:49]  * genii hands MementoMori a coffee and some Advils
[23:49] <MementoMori> Babuto: instead of "ifconfig ethX" run "ifconfig -a"
[23:50] <MementoMori> genii: I like coffee but I dont know what advils is
[23:50] <genii> Pepcok^PotLS: All web browsers should be able to display animated gifs
[23:51] <genii> MementoMori: Heh...Advil = pain reliever, headache medicine, etc
[23:51] <MementoMori> genii: I dont like this kind of drugs
[23:51] <MementoMori> genii: I do my yoga meditation ;)
[23:51] <genii> MementoMori: OK just the coffee then, I'll take the headache relief pills
[23:52] <Babuto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27587/
[23:52] <MementoMori> so look at your conf :)
[23:53] <Babuto> ?
[23:54] <Pepcok^PotLS> does anybody here uses Konversation? How can I change webrowser used when i click link?
[23:55] <MementoMori> Babuto: your nameserver maybe is wrong
[23:55] <MementoMori> Babuto: wait a sec
[23:56] <MementoMori> Babuto: do this:
[23:57] <MementoMori> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf
[23:57] <MementoMori> and
[23:57] <MementoMori> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> " >> /etc/resolv.conf
[23:57] <TWood_> Hey I'm having trouble using the kubuntu live cd.  The menu comes up but when I try to boot my computer restarts and I'm back at the menu.  The last message I see is "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, Booting the kernel"
[23:57] <rene> nogen der ved hvordan man laver en ir reamote til kubuntu
[23:57] <MementoMori> Babuto: last command has two > !
[23:57] <genii> Pepcok^PotLS: Settings..Configure Konversation...Behavior...General            check off "Use custom web browser" Then put in the text window next to that the web browser name you want followed by:  '%u'
[23:58] <genii> Pepcok^PotLS: Then hit Apply
[23:58] <MementoMori> Babuto: if you cant do this before:
[23:58] <MementoMori> sudo su -
[23:59] <genii> MementoMori: Um, he won't be able to add to /etc/resolv.conf that way since it needs admin rights
[23:59] <Pepcok^PotLS> genii: thans very much
[23:59] <MementoMori> and the redo the commands
[23:59] <MementoMori> ok
[23:59] <MementoMori> sudo su -
[23:59] <genii> Pepcok^PotLS: You're welcome
[23:59] <MementoMori> your promtp should change from $ to #


[04:22] <RenegadeZed> hello
[04:22] <RenegadeZed> can anyone point me in the right direction. after a fresh install of lubuntu from usb, my laptop screen's just go black
[04:23] <RenegadeZed> toshiba satellite m70
[04:26] <RenegadeZed> anyone can help? pretty please
[04:54] <RenegadeZed> this channel doesn't provide much help.. why does the reddit even link to it?
[04:58] <krytarik> RenegadeZed: You ask in the middle of American night and European morning - what do you expect?
[05:02] <RenegadeZed> expected some help lol
[05:04] <krytarik> Try in #ubuntu, might have more luck there right now.
[05:04] <RenegadeZed> thanks
[05:20] <RenegadeZed> way more people over there.. not much help tho
[05:37] <lyn||ian> RenegadeZed,  after how long in waiting
[05:37] <lyn||ian> like 15 minutes or immediately
[05:42] <RenegadeZed> got 2 or 3 guys now trying to help me. took 20ish minutes.. all good now
[07:10] <RenegadeZed> so far nothing worked
[07:10] <RenegadeZed> i was able to boot from the usb, saw the desktop and all, installed from desktop
[07:10] <RenegadeZed> then when booting from the installation on hard drive, black screen
[08:10] <saschan> Hello from Cape Town!
[08:50] <NinjaKirby> If I may ask a newbie question; every time I wish to view a text file from terminal, I can launch it with leafpad or something, but it runs "subsidiary" to the terminal itself. Is there any way to launch leafpad but still have a free/usable terminal?
[08:54] <hateball> NinjaKirby: append &
[08:54] <hateball> leafpad &
[08:55] <hateball> that detaches it from the terminal
[09:19] <NinjaKirby> Ah, yes, very good! Although then I run into a permission problem, hehe, I'll work it out I guess
[09:50] <NinjaKirby> By the way, thank you hateball, you do not appear to be the ball of hate you claimeth to be.
[10:15] <hateball> NinjaKirby: Heh :)
[10:15] <hateball> NinjaKirby: You were saying something about permissions, so I'll just advise you to never run GUI apps with sudo
[10:15] <hateball> before you break your system
[14:55] <kdillard> can you tell me how fast your OS is when loading
[14:58] <dill2096> can you tell me how fast your OS and the loading times
[17:48] <RenegadeZed> how do i use my existing registered info to log into nickserver thingy
[17:54] <pavlushka> RenegadeZed: there is a channel #freenode for this kind of stuff :)
[17:55] <RenegadeZed> its ok, i managed
[17:55] <pavlushka> wow
[17:56] <RenegadeZed> anyone can help about black screen after fresh install? it booted fine from the usb "try" mode .. nomodeset doesn't do anything
[17:56] <RenegadeZed> for a toshiba satellite m70
[18:00] <pavlushka> RenegadeZed: I noticed you posted in #ubuntu about this and they are on it :) and its the subset of #ubuntu superset channel :)
[18:00] <pavlushka> kinda


[00:19] <naptastic> I have dhcp: false as the only configuration directive, but if there's a carrier, it requests a lease. Where do I file a bug?
[12:26] <Gridfuse> Hello! I'm trying to configure a GSM modem with netplan and the NetworkManager renderer. The GSM interface is ttyUSB2, but the resulting ppp device is ppp0. I'd like to configure routes for the ppp0 device. Adding a "routes" block to the modems > ttyUSB2 section does not work, though. I think I need to configure the routes for ppp0, but where to
[12:26] <Gridfuse> put this? Like what device type is the correct one? Thanks!
[12:38] <danilogondolfo> Gridfuse, hi, when you say that adding the "routes" block doesn't work, do you mean the routes were not added to the system?
[12:39] <danilogondolfo> I've never used a GSM modem with Network Manager unfortunately, but as the ppp0 interface is created on demand and managed by Network Manager, I'd expect it would add the routes correctly...
[13:08] <slyon> Netplan does not have direct ppp support. You might be able to define an "ethernets -> ppp0" interface, that matches on the ppp0 interface created outside of Netplan (i.e. automatically by NetworkManager), then defining "routes: ..." in there. But as danilogondolfo stated, you'd need to make sure it's not in conflict with NetworkManager itself trying to manage this and setup the routes automatically.
[13:09] <danilogondolfo> I think NM would create a ppp1 in this case hehe
[13:09] <danilogondolfo> as ppp0 already exists and it doesn't known anything about it
[13:10] <danilogondolfo> oh well, you said "ethernet" so it wouldn't be really created
[13:14] <danilogondolfo> when you create a mobile connection using the NM GUI, you have the option to set routes. As it does for OpenVPN connections and tun devices, I'd expect those routes to be added to the ppp0 interface too
[13:14] <danilogondolfo> but I've never did that so I'm not really sure


Should be a good solution for Nextcloud push notification with the gotify app.


[16:56] <nesthib> hello everyone, I'm trying to build a PPA package for lucid which depends on guile-2.0-dev, however I don't know how I should deal with the missing dependency
[16:56] <nesthib> I tried to add backports to the PPA but it doesn't look like guile-2.0-dev is available
[18:04] <thopiekar> hey ;)
[18:04] <thopiekar> StevenK: ping


[06:22] <Ziroday> @schedule Singapore
[06:22] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Singapore: 20 Sep 20:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Sep 20:00: MOTU Team | 25 Sep 03:00: Screencast Team | 25 Sep 23:00: Server Team meeting | 26 Sep 00:00: Kernel Team | 26 Sep 03:00: Technical Board
[08:55] <kraut> moin
[01:53] <kwwii> hi Keybuk
[01:55] <Keybuk> Heya
[01:55] <Keybuk> just putting together the agenda so I can mail it out :-)
[01:59] <pitti> hi
[02:01] <Keybuk> just waiting for iwj I think
[02:02] <pitti> he just pung in #distro
[02:02] <Keybuk> ah, my canonical connection appears stoned
[02:03] <kwwii> i pung him
[02:03] <Keybuk> #startmeetingt
[02:03] <Keybuk> #startmeeting
[02:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:52. The chair is Keybuk.
[02:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE]
[02:03] <Keybuk> Ok, this should be a fairly short one since there weren't any agenda items to add
[02:04] <Keybuk> did anybody have anything they wanted to add to my mail I just sent out
[02:04] <Keybuk> currently we just have
[02:04] <Keybuk>  * Ideas for hardy
[02:04] <kwwii> I have one thing to add about some artwork packages will still need to change
[02:04] <pitti> syncing and reading mail...
[02:04] <kwwii> but nothing major...just s/feisty/gutsy
[02:05] <kwwii> it just occured to me yesterday that this was a problem
[02:05] <Keybuk> kwwii: ok, let's cover that briefly; what are the packages?
[02:05] <iwj> Err, I put some agenda items in my activity report and they don't seem to be there.  Some of them have been dealt with ...
[02:05] <Keybuk> [TOPIC]  some artwork packages still need to change feisty -> gutsy
[02:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  some artwork packages still need to change feisty -> gutsy
[02:05] <kwwii> feisty-session-splash, feisty-gdm-theme and such
[02:06] <kwwii> as I have started taking over more of the packages themselves I did not realize it until yesterday, so I have to make sure that I can still get them in
[02:06] <pitti> kwwii: that sounds fine
[02:06] <kwwii> the one package which included different artwork was changed yesterday
[02:06] <pitti> kwwii: subject to my scrutinizing, of course :)
[02:07] <kwwii> pitti: cool, when I am done with the changes I will show them to you first
[02:07] <pitti> kwwii: sounds like some NEWing is in order there, but that shouldn't be a problem either
[02:07] <kwwii> pitti: yeah, in the future (at UDS) I will discuss this and figure out how to make the package non-release dependent
[02:07] <kwwii> silly to use a release name in the package and have to make it new every time
[02:08] <kwwii> dholbach and I agreed to discuss this at UDS
[02:08] <Keybuk> I think the original intent was that we'd change the theme for each release
[02:08] <Keybuk> so people should be able to retain the old one
[02:08] <dholbach> and that people can install their 'feisty theme' if they like that better, even if they run hardy
[02:09] <kwwii> hrm, right
[02:09] <pitti> kwwii: NEWing is no problem and not much work, I just need to be told so that it happens quickly
[02:09] <pitti> s/I/any archive admin/
[02:09] <kwwii> pitti: I'll get it done right away then
[02:10] <kwwii> I also have a new package for universe but that does not seem to be such a problem
[02:10] <Keybuk> [AGREED]  Ken and Daniel to discuss theme package naming at UDS
[02:10] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Ken and Daniel to discuss theme package naming at UDS
[02:10] <Keybuk> [ACTION]  kwwii to fix package names and notify pitti beforehand to aid NEW processing
[02:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kwwii to fix package names and notify pitti beforehand to aid NEW processing
[02:11] <Keybuk> ok, Ian: sorry missed your sl-modem-daemon agenda item (I think the QA one is being discussed by mail adequately?)
[02:11] <iwj> QA> Yes.
[02:11] <Keybuk> [TOPIC]  sl-modem-daemon has stopped working since Tribe 5
[02:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  sl-modem-daemon has stopped working since Tribe 5
[02:11] <iwj> So I just wanted to ask kernel guys if they had any ideas ?
[02:11] <Keybuk> I'm not sure we have any kernel guys here :)
[02:11] <iwj> Or thoughts about how to go about debugging it.
[02:11] <iwj> Hmm.
[02:12] <Keybuk> probably best to follow up on #ubuntu-kernel or the mailing list, and grab a developer directly
[02:12] <iwj> OK, I'll try that.
[02:12] <Keybuk> did you try the newer version of sl-modem-daemon you talked about
[02:12] <iwj> Not yet.
[02:12] <Keybuk> ok
[02:12] <iwj> But I did retest tribe 5, and it still works.
[02:12] <Keybuk> does anyone else here have a modem that has worked with sl-modem-daemon that they could use to help Ian test?
[02:12] <Keybuk> iwj: that's something, at least :-)
[02:13] <pitti> soren has one
[02:13] <iwj> You don't need an actual phone line for this particular bug.
[02:13] <pitti> and TeTeT has two
[02:13] <soren> huh?
[02:13] <pitti> they both helped me with testing the new restricted-manager magic for it
[02:13] <iwj> soren: Let's talk about it out of the meeting.  I'd like a bit of help with sl-modem-daemon testing.
[02:14] <pitti> soren: I saw your pci modalias! (Muhhahaha)
[02:14] <soren> *g*
[02:14] <soren> iwj: Right, I think I have some logs for you that might help.
[02:14] <TeTeT> iwj: ping me any time, we have a quasi modem line in the Montreal h/w cert lab
[02:14] <Keybuk> [ACTION]  iwj to talk to kernel developers about sl-modem-daemon breakage
[02:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  iwj to talk to kernel developers about sl-modem-daemon breakage
[02:14] <Keybuk> [ACTION]  iwj to test newer sl-modem-daemon to see whether that fixes the problem
[02:14] <iwj> TeTeT: OK, are you on #ubuntu-devel ?  We can talk there.
[02:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  iwj to test newer sl-modem-daemon to see whether that fixes the problem
[02:14] <Keybuk> [ACTION]  iwj to rope in soren and TeTeT to help testing
[02:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  iwj to rope in soren and TeTeT to help testing
[02:15] <Keybuk> ok
[02:15] <Keybuk> [TOPIC]  Ideas for hardy
[02:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ideas for hardy
[02:15] <Mithrandir> iwj wins at action items.
[02:15] <Keybuk> Thanks to everyone who included their Hardy ideas in their activity summary e-mail
[02:16] <Keybuk> I'd like to go down the list quickly to generate some discussion
[02:16] <Keybuk> prefix your idea with "[IDEA] " so mootbot can pick it up <g>
[02:16] <Keybuk> kwwii: you first
[02:17] <kwwii> [IDEA]  update the widget theme
[02:17] <MootBot> IDEA received:  update the widget theme
[02:17] <kwwii> [IDEA]  straighten out the process for artwork
[02:17] <MootBot> IDEA received:  straighten out the process for artwork
[02:17] <kwwii> [IDEA]   create a color palette and clear rules of use
[02:17] <MootBot> IDEA received:   create a color palette and clear rules of use
[02:17] <pitti> artwork process: is it so complicated ATM?
[02:18] <kwwii> pitti: well, we have no clear process and lots of different versions which all have their own rules
[02:18] <kwwii> pitti: also, it would be good to be able to get the community involved again
[02:18] <pitti> kwwii: ah, as "set of packages we need to update", and check whether we can merge some of them, etc.?
[02:19] <kwwii> pitti: right, and on top of that decide which versions have total community control, and which not
[02:19] <kwwii> pitti: and in addition set clear rules for evolving the look instead of just recreating the wheel every time
[02:19] <kwwii> ubuntu is very stagnant, no wonder that the community finds it hard to contribute
[02:20] <kwwii> that brings us to the second idea, of creating a palette and clear rules for the artwork
[02:20] <Keybuk> kwwii: one of the things I've talked about already with Mark is the idea of using the LTS as the time we bring in a bold new look, and then evolve it over the next non-LTS releases until a new look for the next LTS
[02:20] <kwwii> until now, we have light brown and dark brown
[02:20] <Keybuk> that would seem to fit in with your idea?
[02:20] <kwwii> Keybuk: yes, it does
[02:21] <kwwii> in some ways, the most important part of this is to know exactly what we can change (from mark)
[02:21] <kwwii> as for the widget theme, we would need some technical people to help out
[02:22] <Keybuk> ok, thanks
[02:22] <Keybuk> iwj: you're next :)
[02:22] <iwj> [IDEA]  Dialup support should be better
[02:22] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Dialup support should be better
[02:22] <iwj> [IDEA]  Easy reinstallation: separate /home and a bit of migration support
[02:22] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Easy reinstallation: separate /home and a bit of migration support
[02:22] <iwj> [IDEA]  Encrypted swap (already!)
[02:22] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Encrypted swap (already!)
[02:23] <iwj> [IDEA]  Disk encryption by default on laptops
[02:23] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Disk encryption by default on laptops
[02:23] <iwj> [IDEA]  Declarative diversions
[02:23] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Declarative diversions
[02:23] <iwj> [IDEA]  Better conffile messing support
[02:23] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Better conffile messing support
[02:23] <Keybuk> iwj: could you expand a little on "easy reinstallation" and "declarative diversions" ?
[02:23] <iwj> Easy reinstallation - separate /home and some migration of installed packages or other key bits of system configuration.  We cannot assume our users are competent to fix a broken system or a failed upgrade, so we need to make reinstallation without loss of data easy.
[02:24] <kwwii> iwj: excellent idea
[02:24] <iwj> Declarative diversions for dpkg.  This will get rid of a whole class of packaging bugs, and make Robert Collin's conflicts/replaces checker much more effective.  For the usual reasons this has a longish deployment schedule: if we implement it for hardy we'll be able to use it in anger in hardy+1 and of course eventually Debian will adopt it and it will become the new default.
[02:24] <cjwatson> separate /home> we need to have an argument about this ;-) it's come up many times before and there are reasons we haven't done it
[02:24] <cjwatson> (not necessarily insuperable but they can't just be brushed aside IMO)
[02:24] <Keybuk> cjwatson: if only we got everyone together in one room :p
[02:24] <iwj> cjwatson: I know, but I think the benefits outweigh the alleged disadvantages on modern systems with big disks.
[02:25] <Keybuk> . o O { lvm by default makes the issues go away }
[02:25] <iwj> I think we should talk about it at UDS.
[02:25] <cjwatson> sure
[02:25] <cjwatson> Keybuk: and brings in so many new ones ...
[02:25] <Keybuk> iwj: what does a declarative diversion mean?
[02:25] <Keybuk> or, I should say, what would one look like?
[02:26] <iwj> It means your package has a control file DEBIAN/diversions instead of your maintscripts calling dpkg-divert to edit a database in /var.
[02:26] <Mithrandir> which means people won't try to add diversions in postinsts and similar.
[02:26] <iwj> There are all sorts of braindamages which will be impossible to perpetrate :-).
[02:27] <Mithrandir> declarative diversions sounds like a great thing to have.
[02:27] <cjwatson> can you lump in declarative alternatives with that?
[02:27] <pitti> ++, as with declarative obsolete conffiles
[02:27] <iwj> cjwatson: Possibly.  Hmm.  Worth thinking about the two together, at least.
[02:27] <cjwatson> last time I checked there were eight different systems in routine use for where to call update-alternatives in your maintainer scripts
[02:28] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: "nice"
[02:28] <iwj> Let me make a separate idea for it so it doesn't get lost.
[02:28] <iwj> [IDEA]  Declarative alternatives
[02:28] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Declarative alternatives
[02:28] <cjwatson> (not helped by policy not providing any guidance at all on the topic)
[02:28] <iwj> Tempting to say [IDEA]  Alternative declaratives
[02:29] <Keybuk> iwj: excellent!
[02:29] <Keybuk> pitti: your turn
[02:29] <pitti> [IDEA]  Complete redesign of the restricted-manager code
[02:29] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Complete redesign of the restricted-manager code
[02:29] <pitti> The initial design was never meant to get all the features and extensions bolted on that we use it for nowadays: non-module related handlers, KDE frontend, notifications, cooperation with compiz settings, etc. The current code makes it a pain to add new features or fix bugs.
[02:29] <pitti> not exactly sexy, but we won't get around it, I'm afraid
[02:30] <pitti> [IDEA]  Find/tweak/create a backup solution that doesn't suck and is adequate for home users, as well as flexible enough for dudes like us.
[02:30] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Find/tweak/create a backup solution that doesn't suck and is adequate for home users, as well as flexible enough for dudes like us.
[02:30] <pitti> [IDEA]  Improve synchronization between Evolutions, cellphones, PDAs, etc.
[02:30] <pitti> (everything that speaks SyncML for now).
[02:30] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Improve synchronization between Evolutions, cellphones, PDAs, etc.
[02:30] <pitti> (stolen from the IdeaPool)
[02:30] <pitti> and finally something longer-term:
[02:31] <pitti> [IDEA]  Start a desktop application for a decision tree based guided bug filing.
[02:31] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Start a desktop application for a decision tree based guided bug filing.
[02:31] <pitti> We started discussing this on last UDS (UbuntuSpec:smart-bugreporting-tool) and I do not expect to get it done by Hardy, but we should start on it.
[02:31] <pitti> EOL
[02:31] <Mithrandir> pitti: backup> can we throw in "and you don't trust the host/medium you're backing on to" to the list of features?
[02:32] <Mithrandir> trust as in security-trust, not reliability-trust.
[02:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: nothing spec'ed yet :)
[02:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: I see what you are up to, yes (not that I would use crypto myself, I quite trust my colo server)
[02:32] <Mithrandir> so I do a buddy backup to a friend's machine, and him to mine and we wouldn't be able to read each other's backups.
[02:33] <pitti> Mithrandir: -> UDS spec, I'd say, but great idea
[02:33] <Keybuk> pitti: ok, make a note of Tollef's concerns
[02:33] <iwj> backups++
[02:33] <pitti> but in general, the lack of a good backup solution has nagged me for years
[02:33] <Mithrandir> heck, I use encrypted file systems on racked servers too, disks die and I don't trust the disk manufacturers. :-)
[02:33] <pitti> s/good/one that doesn't suck for me/
[02:34] <Mithrandir> backuppc isn't too bad, but it's pull, not push.
[02:34] <Mithrandir> but we probably don't need to look at all the options here. :-)
[02:34] <pitti> Keybuk: note> done
[02:34] <pitti> Mithrandir: right, pull sucks
[02:34] <pitti> (for my use case, anyway)
[02:35] <pitti> rsnapshot is pull for remote op, too
[02:35] <Keybuk> ok, and Mithrandir?  (though you may have already communicated your mobile ideas to mdz)
[02:35] <Mithrandir> [IDEA]  get bluetooth fixed
[02:35] <MootBot> IDEA received:  get bluetooth fixed
[02:35] <Mithrandir> [IDEA]  investigate webkit for mobile
[02:35] <Mithrandir> [IDEA]  get conduit into shape so we can use it for syncing anything to anything
[02:35] <MootBot> IDEA received:  investigate webkit for mobile
[02:35] <MootBot> IDEA received:  get conduit into shape so we can use it for syncing anything to anything
[02:36] <Mithrandir> [IDEA]  pam_keyring or similar, by default?
[02:36] <MootBot> IDEA received:  pam_keyring or similar, by default?
[02:36] <Mithrandir> [IDEA]  UME - chroots, how to manage?
[02:36] <MootBot> IDEA received:  UME - chroots, how to manage?
[02:36] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: webkit for desktop might be nice <g>
[02:36] <Keybuk> pitti: did you look at conduit for your syncing solution?
[02:36] <Mithrandir> well, yes, that too, so possibly rewrite that to "investigate webkit"
[02:37] <Mithrandir> there exists patches for epiphany to use webkit.
[02:37] <pitti> Keybuk: I haven't looked yet; last time I actually tried that stuff was over a year ago with multisync
[02:37] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: yeah, I built them here a couple of days ago
[02:38] <seb128> Mithrandir: we already have pam_keyring by default
[02:38] <Mithrandir> seb128: we do?
[02:38] <seb128> Mithrandir: it's part of gnome-keyring 2.20 and gdm uses it
[02:39] <seb128> Mithrandir: yes libpam-gnome-keyring
[02:39] <Keybuk> there's a checkbox in the gnome-keyring password dialog now isn't there?
[02:39] <Keybuk> [ ]  Unlock keyring on login
[02:39] <Keybuk> or something
[02:39] <Keybuk> (it doesn't work if you use auto-login of course ... :p)
[02:39] <seb128> right
[02:39] <Mithrandir> seb128: to my defence, I haven't been on a WPA network lately so I haven't been annoyed by the gnome keyring manager dialogue.
[02:39] <seb128> if anybody who knows pam would like to help me to get it working with autologin that would be nice
[02:40] <seb128> also integrating it with passwd should work but I didn't do the packaging changes
[02:40] <seb128> so when the password is changing the keyring one is updated
[02:40] <cjwatson> seb128: you might want to grab Steve for that
[02:40] <cjwatson> (pam/autologin)
[02:40] <seb128> cjwatson: right
[02:41] <seb128> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Pam has details also, I need to try with that, I've just been too busy
[02:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Pam has details also, I need to try with that, I've just been too busy
[02:41] <seb128> MootBot: that was not for you :p
[02:41] <Keybuk> ok, thanks everyone
[02:42] <Keybuk> any other business?
[02:43] <Keybuk> #endmeeting
[02:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:32.
[02:43] <pitti> 12 MB oversizedness, without a single langpack to remove *sigh*
[02:44] <iwj> Keybuk: Are we going to take these [IDEA] s and turn them into a spec each ?  Can I suggest that the thing on the UDS agenda should be or include a solution-neutral problem statement ?
[02:45] <iwj> (Less relevant for "fix this broken thing in the obvious way")
[02:45] <Hobbsee> pitti: we discussed this.  reverse langpacks are still the way to go.  *g*
[02:45] <Keybuk> iwj: Sorry, didn't make that clear :-)
[02:46] <Keybuk> The ideas will be discussed with the other team leads, and then will form the basis of the goals for UDS/Hardy - after some moderation depending on what's possible, or desirable for the LTS
[02:46] <Keybuk> they may form one or more specs each
[02:46] <iwj> Right.
[02:47] <Keybuk> I expect that will form the bulk of today's team leads call
[02:48] <iwj> Oh, I need coffee!
[03:00] <siretart> #help
[03:00] <siretart> MootBot: #help
[03:00] <siretart> hmmm
[04:50] <evand> @schedule New_York
[04:50] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 21 Sep 08:00: MOTU Team | 24 Sep 15:00: Screencast Team | 25 Sep 11:00: Server Team meeting | 25 Sep 12:00: Kernel Team | 25 Sep 15:00: Technical Board | 26 Sep 16:00: Edubuntu
[05:01] <Rinchen> anyone from the scribes team around?


[23:38] <Chafka>        missing codepage or other error
[23:38] <Chafka>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[23:38] <Chafka>        dmesg | tail  or so
[23:38] <Alyxander> it may have the switch turned off soumn
[23:38] <soumn_pwned> Alyxander, i have tried turn on the headphones.. that was not the case
[23:38] <benanzo> Chafka: you need to install ntfs-3g
[23:39] <Alyxander> humm sorry soumn i dont know then
[23:39] <benanzo> I haven't had to deal with NTFS drives in a while so I'm a little rusty on the new-ish utilities to do it.
[23:39] <Logan428> benanzo: Just says the log-file is unclean and I should boot Windoze (impossible, it's dead as a doorknob) OR run ntfsfix v 1.13.1
[23:40] <rycole> is there a database of different apt-get databases? i would like to find one with mod_wsgi for Apache.
[23:40] <caminomaster> hi
[23:40] <benanzo> Logan428: I'm not sure why it would matter but you can try installing 'ntfs-config' which handles mounting a little better I think
[23:40] <lgc> Seveas, is Windows 'stable' under VMWare?
[23:40] <caminomaster> i've installed skencil, but it doesn't run
[23:40] <caminomaster> here is the log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3840/
[23:40] <Seveas> lgc, just as unstable as on a real pc
[23:41] <benanzo> it will add a menu option to Applications -> System Tools -> NTFS Configuration Tool
[23:41] <lgc> Seveas, of course, but does it get worse?
[23:41] <Logan428> benanzo: Installing now
[23:41] <Seveas> lgc, no
[23:41] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, jailsonbrito.com/error.txt
[23:41] <lgc> Seveas, and does Ubuntu gets slower or anyhow more problematic?
[23:42] <Seveas> lgc, you're running an extra os, of course things will get a bit slower
[23:42] <Logan428> benanzo: The install's finished in Terminal, but there's no System Tools bit in Applications
[23:42] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: sec
[23:42] <Seveas> lgc, but ither than that no side effects
[23:42] <Scunizi> lgc, there's no registry to bog down linux
[23:42] <benanzo> just do 'sudo ntfs-config' in the terminal
[23:42] <lgc> Seveas, but you can switch it off easily, I suppose.
[23:43] <Seveas> lgc, shutdown the VM and done :)
[23:43] <Shpook> bkar: sorry for the late response, what is AP?
[23:43] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: cat /proc/asound/version
[23:43] <lgc> Seveas, that's nice.
[23:43] <Logan428> benanzo: Perfect, if it works.
[23:43] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: what does this last command return?
[23:43] <benanzo> Good to hear
[23:44] <Seveas> Scunizi, actually there is, but it's not abused like windows abuses the registry for storing everythong
[23:44] <Logan428> benanzo: It wouldn't let me access writing for hte internal drive, but I can back up my files on the external now
[23:44] <Scunizi> Seveas, that's what I was trying to get across. :)
[23:44] <lgc> Seveas, can you throw your virtualized Windoze in a separate partition?
[23:44] <Logan428> benanzo: Or, not......
[23:45] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, wait
[23:45] <Seveas> lgc, if you want
[23:45] <benanzo> Re-mount the drives after you enable writing
[23:45] <Logan428> benanzo: Oh yeah :)
[23:45] <trelayne> hi all, anyone know how I can upgrade firefox  from the package manager?
[23:45] <neverblue> trelayne, upgrade, what do you mean ?
[23:45] <lgc> Seveas, but is it an ext3/reiserfs partition or an ntfs one?
[23:45] <MI_5> hey guys, im having trouble printing to a windows printer in ubuntu gutsy
[23:45] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.15.
[23:45] <soumn_pwned> Compiled on Jan 24 2008 for kernel 2.6.22-14-rt (SMP).
[23:46] <Seveas> lgc, if you run vmware on linux, you should store the vmd files on a linux fs
[23:46] <jaggy||sleeping> PriceChild, if i'm going sleeping i set my nick to sleeping, and nowane will change that, but thanx for the warning trough ubotu anyway =_=
[23:46] <benanzo> trelayne: you can't upgrade 2.0.11 but you can install Firefox 3.0 beta with 'sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0'
[23:46] <trelayne> neverblue,  I have version <IP_ADDRESS> and I would like to get the latest version
[23:46] <benanzo> they'll both be installed then
[23:46] <neverblue> i have <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:46] <neverblue> hmm
[23:46] <benanzo> I found FF3 to be too buggy still -- and slowish (probably from all the debug code still inside it)
[23:46] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: grep -nHr 'options snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/*
[23:46] <trelayne> benanzo, is it stable? I'm still using feisty fawn
[23:46] <neverblue> trelayne, sudo aptitude update
[23:46] <SnakeArtworX> Hi,everyone! Is there any support for the second edition of Logitech' G15 gaming keyboard?
[23:47] <lgc> Seveas, I see. And can I update such Windoze regularly as updates come up, like the 'real' one?
[23:47] <Logan428> benanzo: Re-mounted, and still the same error
[23:47] <Scunizi> lgc, Seveas vmware even has a tool to create the vm files out of a functional windows install. take the files and move them to the linux side and load.
[23:47] <benanzo> but it's neat to see it.  There's some really nice new features
[23:47] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, grep -nHr 'options snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/*
[23:47] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: yes, what's the output?
[23:47] <MI_5> can anybody help me out with my printer problem?
[23:47] <Dr_willis> SnakeArtworX,  theres tools that let the lcd and other parts work. but they are not included by default in Ubuntu. You will need to compile them from the source.
[23:47] <Scunizi> !ask | MI_5
[23:47] <ubotu> MI_5: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:47] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:41:options snd-hda-intel model=hp
[23:47] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: heh, wrong model.
[23:47] <Seveas> Scunizi, sadly there is no such thing as a 'functional windows install' :)
[23:48] <Dr_willis> SnakeArtworX,  not sure how the 1st ed and 2ed differ. I got the first ed.  I can use the lcd for information and other bits.
[23:48] <Biter-manon> hello
[23:48] <neverblue> !anyone | MI_5
[23:48] <ubotu> MI_5: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[23:48] <Logan428> benanzo: Re-mounting had no effect, any more ideas?
[23:48] <lgc> Scunizi, you mean I can replicate the 'real' Windows' install on a virtualized partition?
[23:48] <Scunizi> Seveas, haha.. but you're wrong.. if you never plug it into the net.......... might survive the night! :)
[23:48] <Darkmystere> Err guys i get this offly alot:Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0".
[23:48] <Darkmystere>  or Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":2.0".
[23:48] <Seveas> Scunizi, :)
[23:48] <MI_5> i just want ubuntu gutsy to print to my windows printer
[23:48] <benanzo> Logan428: Did you try as root?
[23:49] <benanzo> Logan428: type:
[23:49] <PriceChild> jaggy||sleeping, read the link, to find out about the inbuilt /away function of the irc protocol... so that only people that are interested find out you are sleeping.
[23:49] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: actually, no, that's correct.  Sorry.  Try removing that from /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, however.
[23:49] <neverblue> microsoft makes windows printers now, who woulda thunk
[23:49] <Scunizi> lgc.. yes.. it grunts and grinds creating all the vmx files needed.. copy and move to a directory on you linux machine then just point to it with vmware..
[23:49] <smink> hi good night
[23:49]  * neverblue shrugs
[23:49] <benanzo> 'mount' and look for the line that's your NTFS drive and paste it here
[23:49] <smink> anyone knows any good wallpaper switcher (random time for example) for ubuntu ...
[23:49] <smink> i have tried desktop drapes, wallpapoz and other alike but they crash frequently :s
[23:49] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: also, did you compile alsa-driver using --with-debug=full ?
[23:49] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, i used 3stack b4... builtin speakers worked... but not headphone jack.... ive seen in some forums that model=hp should solve this problem ( i mean.. i am using in a hp laptop tx1000 series)
[23:49] <Seveas> smink, drapes never crashed for me so far, what do you do to the poor thing? :)
[23:49] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, no...
[23:50] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: yes, that seems to be the correct model.
[23:50] <SnakeArtworX> Dr_willis: I've already downloaded and compiled these drivers, but there was no effect. One of the programs replied with info that it seems that I haven't connected the keyboard.\
[23:50] <bod_> is there a channel for python programming?
[23:50] <pastor> can someone give me a hand getting my other desktop to work on the net.
[23:50] <soumn_pwned> crimsun, any clues?
[23:50] <lgc> Scunizi, that's great...even when the MBR is screwed up? (The point is if it needs the boot sector at all).
[23:50] <pastor> It says it is connected but it will not show
[23:50] <neverblue> !anyone | pastor
[23:50] <ubotu> pastor: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[23:51] <neverblue> !enter > pastor
[23:51] <Scunizi> lgc, well if you can't boot to it you can't run the program.. you have to run it from within a current functional windows install
[23:51] <pastor> nevervlue, what is !enter?
[23:51] <ring0> hi, which dvb-s software would you recommend?
[23:51] <neverblue> bod_, #python
[23:51] <Logan428> benanzo: /dev/hda1 on /media/disk type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,umask=222,utf8)
[23:52] <ThipThip> I'm totally lost.
[23:52] <ThipThip> Nothing seems to work.
[23:52] <neverblue> !ask | ThipThip
[23:52] <ubotu> ThipThip: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:52] <benanzo> Logan428:  you tried as root also?
[23:52] <crimsun> soumn_pwned: please recompile alsa-driver 1.0.15 using --with-debug=full
[23:52] <Logan428> benanzo: Yeah
[23:52] <soumn_pwned> ok.. gonna try it now
[23:52] <lgc> Scunizi, I see...:(.
[23:52] <Scunizi> ThipThip, what happened on reboot
[23:52] <ThipThip> scunizi:  same symptoms.  The error message appeared on reboot just as it does with mount -a
[23:53] <benanzo> add this line to your /etc/fstab file:
[23:53] <pastor> When I look under netwoek tools it shows that there is a connection to the computer, but i can't seem to get goodle t oshow up. Or any other web site. Thoughts?
[23:53] <bod_> i need help with keyboard layouts,.,. i changed my layout from English US to English UK and i removed the US one from the sub-list,. but when i reboot it tells me i have an English layout but i have a US layout because things are in the wrong place,., i have to remoove the UK one then add the UK one just to get the right keyboard,. anyone got any good ideas?
[23:53] <benanzo> /dev/hda1 /media/disk ntfs-3g rw,user,defaults 0 0
[23:53] <lgc> Scunizi, but in the affirmative case, will it be able to update regularly?
[23:53] <bod_> neverblue, ta for the python
[23:53] <Dr_willis> SnakeArtworX,  last i messed with it - there were like 4 or 5 different libs and tools I compiled. I think theres 2 'ways' to get the lcd going. But its been 5+ mo since i last messed with it.
[23:53] <benanzo> then do: 'sudo umount /media/disk'
[23:53] <kitche> bod_: there is two uk keyboards layouts actually
[23:53] <neverblue> bod_, np
[23:54] <benanzo> then do: 'mount /media disk'
[23:54] <benanzo> Not as root
[23:54] <bod_> kitche, really?
[23:54] <benanzo> do re-mount as root
[23:54] <Dr_willis> SnakeArtworX,  then you had to run one tool as the root user. ( i ran it from rc.local) then the users could connect to  the lcd feature.
[23:54] <benanzo> *don't
[23:54] <Scunizi> ThipThip, sorry to say I'm also totally lost at this point.. I don't have read/write setup on my dual boot as yet. Ask again here.  Looks like benanzo might have some insights.. he's working with someone else on the same issue I think.
[23:54] <bod_> kitche, my comp only lists 1
[23:55] <toucansam> what should i partition a partition for ubuntu as
[23:55] <kitche> bod_: the other one is not called uk have uk in the name at all if I remember correctly
[23:55] <neverblue> toucansam, ext3
[23:55] <toucansam> ok
[23:55] <smink> ext2
[23:55] <ThipThip> benanzo:  I made the mistake of logging in as root and trying to change the permissions on an NTFS permission instead of using fstab.  Now that partition will not mount.  What can I do?
[23:55] <smink> ext3
[23:55] <toucansam> haha
[23:55] <bod_> kitche,  do u have any suggestions to my problem ?
[23:55] <SnakeArtworX> Dr_willis: Thanks. I will try it this way. Maybe it will work.
[23:55] <pastor> help getting the downstairs computer using Ubuntu to get online?
[23:55] <Logan428> benanzo: It tells me that I don't have permission to save the fstab file....
[23:55] <pastor> Any takers?
[23:56] <smink> yap pastor pvt me
[23:56] <bod_> Logan428, u need to open ur text editor using sudo
[23:56] <benanzo> Logan428: Oh yeah you need to be root to do it
[23:56] <toucansam> what is probably the most space i would need for  ubuntu?  i think i'm bout to dual boot with vista, and i
[23:56] <benanzo> 'sudo gedit /etc/fstab'
[23:56] <toucansam>  m not sure how much space for each
[23:56] <benanzo> that will let you save it
[23:56] <neverblue> toucansam, 30GB is more than enough
[23:56] <toucansam> alright cool
[23:56] <bkar> toucansam-> am sure 1.6 gig will not fit
[23:56] <kitche> bod_: not really since I never really looked at a uk keyboard I just know other users that are from the uk but use a different layout and it's not dvorak layout either
[23:56] <SnakeArtworX> Is there any support for Asus D2X X-Fi soundcard?
[23:56] <benanzo> ThipThip: hang on just a sec
[23:56] <toucansam> bkar: do I need to specify a mount point?
[23:57] <neverblue> toucansam, for /, but I like to use a bunch for /home, and a partition for a Swap (of course)
[23:57] <bkar> toucansam-> yes
[23:57] <lgc> Scunizi, Seveas, will the virtualized Windoze be able to update regularly?
[23:57] <bod_> can someone help me, i have a keyboard layout which keeps defaulting to English US even though its set to UK
[23:57] <Seveas> lgc, if you don't tell vmware not to give it a networkconnection, then it can.    I'm making a 30 gig partition of ext3 for ubuntu at /.  I need to make a swapfile, but how much space and where should the mount point be?  and what do you put ag home neverblue ?
[23:59] <Master_Z> hello. I have a couple questions regarding 7.04. I'm having issues


[01:02] <jac_cplane>  I'm running into bug 1628337 - cloud init install NTP before configuring archives.   I see from github that it was fixed 20 days ago.  can someone tell me how I can get this fix?   i'm running MAAS 2.1.5 - I deleted my current xenial image and downloaded it again via maas.
[01:02] <mup> Bug #1628337: cloud-init tries to install NTP before even configuring the archives <verification-done> <cloud-init:Fix Released by smoser> <cloud-init (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <cloud-init (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1628337>
[01:18] <jac_cplane> please disregard - figured it out
[05:51] <bdx> does anyone have an example bundle that uses a default space binding?
[05:51] <bdx> like
[05:51] <bdx> juju deploy --bind "default-space db=db-space db-admin=admin-space" mysq
[05:52] <bdx> but in a bundle
[05:52] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25929870/
[05:52] <bdx> I want to deploy charms to lxd and bind to spaces in a bundle
[05:53] <bdx> but then other charms that don't have network bindings fail to deploy when not given a default space
[05:53] <bdx> just unsure how to do that in the bundle
[15:57] <Dmitrii-Sh> bdx: have to be explicit in every app for now
[15:57] <Dmitrii-Sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1719804
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1719804: Allow specifying a default space binding on a per-bundle basis <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719804>
[16:38] <Dmitrii-Sh> bdx: you could use yaml aliases to define a single space and reuse it across different charms
[16:39] <Dmitrii-Sh> aliases:
[16:39] <Dmitrii-Sh>   default-space: &default-space my-space
[16:39] <Dmitrii-Sh> ...
[16:39] <Dmitrii-Sh> bindings:
[16:39] <Dmitrii-Sh>   "": *default-space


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[00:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL96333df82f29: Update keyboard shortcut appendix] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL96333df82f29
[00:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL79c42d7bd740: Update keyboard shortcut appendix] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL79c42d7bd740
[00:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL709fcb05ded0: Update keyboard shortcut appendix] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL709fcb05ded0
[00:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5d14d0f30d78: Remove keyobard shortcut that does not work] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5d14d0f30d78
[00:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL281f31b38b3f: Remove keyobard shortcut that does not work] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL281f31b38b3f
[00:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8f10506a7ee2: Remove keyobard shortcut that does not work] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8f10506a7ee2
[02:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> Screen reader should be in the wishlist?
[08:35] <santimir[m]> <lynorian "santimir lubuntu currently does "> thanks...
[08:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T157: Undefined tasks or without scope] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T157
[18:13] <wxl> @apt-ghetto what's going on here? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/installation-failed-class-attribute-error/1019
 It is a stupid mistake in the automirror module of calamares-settings-ubuntu
[18:16] <wxl> soooo something we need to get fixed and SRU?
 It happens not very often, because the mistake is in the code since september
[18:17] <wxl> so, yes
[18:17] <wxl> er
[18:17] <wxl> no probably not. it won't change the installer
 But yeah, for the point release, it would be very nice to have the working version
[18:18] <wxl> can you get that fixed? and @kc2bez do you want to add that to the release notes? we should probably have a bug report
 Will upload a fixed version to phab in the next half hour
[18:18] <wxl> thank you
 @wxl [<wxl> can you get that fixed? and @kc2bez do you want to add that to the release …], I will get it added later this afternoon. I have a meeting in about 10 minutes.
[18:20] <wxl> k thx!
 wxl @kc2bez @tsimonq2 => https://phab.lubuntu.me/D94
[18:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Fix AttributeError: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D94
[18:43] <wxl> oh jeez it's obvious
 It wasn't for me and it wasn't for the 3 reviewers of the commit
[18:44] <wxl> indeed
 I should create the launchpad report?
[18:45] <wxl> please
[18:58] <Kamilion> lemme know when that's done and I'll reroll my ISO
 wxl @tsimonq2 @kc2bez Kamilion => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/+bug/1875476
[19:37] <wxl> @aptghetto thx!
 wxl you desire also a phab task for tracking?
[19:44] <wxl> @aptghetto yeah probably wouldn't hurt.
[19:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T158: Calamares aborts because of an AttributeError] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T158
 wxl do you want me to put the workaround in there too?
 The blog post that is ^
 I put it in there. Let me know if you want me to remove it.
[21:28] <wxl> @kc2bez: good thinking
[21:47] <Kamilion> will reroll my iso with the fresh packages sometime this week. thanks.
[22:50] <wxl> here's an interesting puzzle for anyone interested https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/20-04-pcmanfm-lan-access-issues/988/25


[01:58] <hazrpg> SuperMatt: The issue wasn't Chrome... the issue was Ubuntu itself! The keyring should have been getting unlocked on login, but wasn't. So my wifi password, etc, couldn't get accessed either without first unlocking the keyring manually.
[04:33] <hazrpg> I think I spoke too soon about my gnome-keyring issues... PhpStorm is now playing up! Seems if I run "gnome-keyring-daemon --start --replace" everything works fine (albeit that I have to initially type my password in because I get a message saying "login passwords was not unlocked on login").
[04:40] <hazrpg> looks like this is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/1689825
[07:18] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:40] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:13]  * acemastr slaps directhex around a bit with a penguin sized rocket
[12:14] <directhex> hm?
[12:25] <DJones> Can somebody turn the sun down to gas mark 3 instead of gas mark 5
[12:36] <penguin42> hmm, time to start off a batch of sorbet making, the problem is the process of making it is hot at the start
[12:38] <acemastr> gas mark 5... psht
[13:00] <DJones> I used to love heat, holidays abroad, thermometer melting in the sun at 50C, now I wish it was winter, guve me temperatures below 10C I'm happy, I can sit in the conservatory with the door open reading a book
[14:08] <diddledan> Windows Defender now runs on Linux: https://github.com/taviso/loadlibrary
[14:13] <acemastr> 10am, 28c :p
[14:28] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/ImranGarda/status/867710933627490305
[14:56] <Laney> https://soundcloud.com/peter_walker/ukip-manifesto-launch-booing-of-journalists-questions
[15:25] <diddledan> wtf? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/att-suggests-cutting-game-of-thrones-to-20-minutes-for-mobile-devices/
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> people don't have the attention spans they used too... nice shoes by the way...
[16:57] <diddledan> sorry, I got sidetracked. what were you saying, zmoylan-pi ?
[16:57] <diddledan> :-p
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> something, something, oranges, something... i think...
[16:57] <diddledan> ooh, squishy!
[16:57] <diddledan> come here squishy
[16:58] <diddledan> I love Dory
[16:58] <diddledan> she's awesome
[17:02] <diddledan> oh wow. amazing kid is amazing: https://twitter.com/MasonCrossBooks/status/867687194718351360
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> flippin liberals... :-P
[17:03] <diddledan> I like how it starts off all normal and then they whip out the war crime bit
[17:04] <diddledan> "it's not really that fair. oh yeah, WAR CRIME!"
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> i think collective punishments is in the geneva war crimes list
[17:05] <diddledan> that's what the kid said
[17:05] <diddledan> they spelt Geneva wrong, but that's ok because they're only a child
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> the teacher could probably use that as a technicality to render the claim invalid :-P
[17:07] <diddledan> if this were a warcrime tribunal, maybe, but I don't think teachers signed up to the geneva conventions anyway so the brutal mass punishment can carry on
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> they are government employees...
[17:08] <diddledan> I really hope they don't start developing chemical, biological, or newcler</gwbush> weapons
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> i _did_ have a teacher as a kid who consumed a lot of guiness so that ship has sailed...
[17:09] <diddledan> I suppose if they eat a hot vindaloo on a sunday night and then let rip in school the next day it would count as using a chemical weapon
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> right off for daily walk... o/
[17:12] <diddledan> \o
[18:23] <diddledan> Windows Defender sounds passive aggresive when it tells you your pc is clean: "Windows Defender has not found any threats (damn you!)"
[22:03] <diddledan> I wonder how accurate that is: https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/867851763247972352
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> might be wishful thinking, would be nice if she lost
[22:06] <diddledan> look how teeny that fan is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1bYGmolzlc
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> looks like a cpu fan of intel piii era to me...
[22:34] <diddledan> wow. prices! I wonder if I still have mine lying around somewhere (the gfx card) http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xrage+fury+maxx.TRS0&_nkw=rage+fury+maxx&_sacat=0
[22:34] <diddledan> anywho. tis bed time
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well o/


[12:55] <inductiveload> hi! i'm looking to rebase a branch of a repo onto the current head, but i'm not sure how to go about it. the branch is question is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~inductiveload/lubuntu-artwork/lubuntu-artwork
[12:57] <inductiveload> all i have on this machine is a checkout of that branch, though
[13:01] <rihnapstor> how to check bzr version ?
[13:16] <Peng> rihnapstor: "bzr version"
[14:01] <jelmer> inductiveload: rebase doesn't work very well in checkouts, so you may want to unbind it first
[14:01] <mgz> or just merge in trunk
[14:01] <jelmer> inductiveload: after that, just "bzr rebase /path/or/url/to/upstream/branch" should do the trick
[14:02] <jelmer> merge is usually a better idea, indeed :)
[14:02] <jelmer> mgz!
[14:02] <mgz> jelmer!
[14:06] <inductiveload> hmm, ok, i did a merge already (to an older head), so I can do that again
[14:08] <mgz> are you settled yet jelmer, or still a-roving?
[14:24] <Kakadu> hey
[14:25] <Kakadu> if i have a repo which is on the revision 5. Than I execute `bzr update` and there are some changes. How can I checkout *last* revision?
[14:26] <Kakadu> (It is automatization script so executing `bzr log` and looking for the latest number is not mine variant)
[14:27] <Kakadu> (I can parse log output but I want something more simple)
[14:31] <mgz> update does update the tree
[14:33] <Kakadu> I thought about that but it seems that `update` doen't. `bzr revert -rN` prints changes when switching revision and does not if N is the same revision. So I do `revert -r5` than `update` and than `revert -r5`. Nothing is printed. So, it seems that `bzr update` does not change revision number.
[14:34] <mgz> what's you actual setup? just a standalone branch? lightweight checkout?
[14:35] <Kakadu> I executed `bzr branch lp:ubuntu/ocaml-syck` and so some experiments
[14:35] <Kakadu> s/so /do /
[14:35] <mgz> you probably just don't want to use revert
[14:36] <mgz> that changes the tree contents, but doesn't change the revision
[14:36] <mgz> eg, instead, do `bzr branch -r5 lp:ubuntu/ocaml-syck` then cd in and do update - the right thing happens
[14:36] <Kakadu> I want to simulate situation when `bzr update` have added added information about some new commits
[14:37] <mgz> or, `bzr pull` rather there
[14:37] <mgz> update is for checkouts really
[14:38] <Kakadu> Got it!
[14:38] <Kakadu> mgz: many thanks
[14:53] <LarstiQ> mgz: my offer on providing you with some snow still stands, btw ;)
[14:55] <mgz> ha! sun today
[14:56] <mgz> we did get some snow falling this week, but it hasn't stuck


[00:18] <xubuntu61w> hi! i'm a newbie user here in linux world and my os as of now is xubuntu, at first we install  lubuntu but I noticed that when I was at youtube I'm experiencing delay from what I'm watching.
[00:19] <xubuntu61w> my netbook is a NEO atom processor with a 2 gb ram
[12:24] <rubenwardy> Hey! I'm having screen tearing issues with the default XFCE compositor
[12:24] <rubenwardy> I've read that the fix is to use a different compositor
[12:24] <rubenwardy> so I tried compton, but it doesn't have the same zoom feature XFCE does (alt+scroll)
[12:25] <rubenwardy> is there another way to fix the default compositor, or is there another compositor with zoom and tearing fixed?
[12:25] <rubenwardy> I use the zoom feature obsessively when demonstrating things to people
[12:25] <Spass> hello rubenwardy, what graphics card do you have?
[12:25] <rubenwardy> none
[12:26] <rubenwardy> I have the XPS 13 9370
[12:26] <Spass> so integrated Intel GPU, right?
[12:26] <rubenwardy> which has an i7 8550U
[12:26] <rubenwardy> and an integrated Intel GPU, yes
[12:27] <rubenwardy>  Intel® UHD Graphics 620
[12:27] <Spass> you can try this solution - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tearing
[12:27] <Spass> just copy that section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf file (you need to create it first)
[12:28] <Spass> and it should work after the restart
[12:29] <Spass> so the content of that file should look like this - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HMs7Srnm2d/
[12:32] <rubenwardy> thanks, that works
[12:32] <Spass> cool
[12:35] <rubenwardy> I find it quite funny that such a setting even exists
[12:36] <Iolo> Why?
[12:39] <rubenwardy> "oh, an option to fix visual glitches? Yes please!
[12:39] <rubenwardy> "
[12:40] <rubenwardy> I imagine that this actually enables a hack
[12:46] <Iolo> Note the note on that arch wiki page. It's not a simple "fix the problems" switch, but a tradeoff, and it also doesn't apply to all machines.
[12:50] <rubenwardy> windoze doesn't gave this option
[12:51] <rubenwardy> it just works
[13:00] <Iolo> Yes, and? Windows doesn't use Xorg, so this isn't a relevant question on that platform. That doesn't change the fact that this option is not the right one for everyone on this platform.
[13:01] <rubenwardy> my point is you shouldn't need the setting if there was more funding behind writing drivers
[13:06] <Iolo> That's probably true. We can always hope :)
[13:08] <rubenwardy> yeah. 2019 is the year of the Linux desktop
[17:53] <xubuntu15w> Hi
[21:06] <xubuntu26w> Hello
[21:07] <xubuntu26w> I am recently change my OS from Windows 10 to Xubuntu. I have Bionic Beaver on an Asus UX360
[21:08] <xubuntu26w> I am having some trouble with the ELANTECH trackpad, the boudaries of the trackpad do not make the cursor continue to move
[21:10] <xubuntu26w> Do you know how can I change this? It useful when running out of the trackpad
[21:18] <xubuntu26w> Hello?
[21:25] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu26w:  Hi. the man page for synclient might let you know how to sort that
[21:26] <well_laid_lawn> I couldn't find anything on the net about that
[21:30] <xubuntu43w> hello
[21:31] <xubuntu43w> I come here to find a solution of my issue on bionic beaver
[21:32] <xubuntu43w> I have an issue with the configuration of the ELANTECH trackpad
[22:35] <xubuntu19w> sorry new to this - hello testing
[22:35] <xubuntu19w> ok see it now. Looking for help re upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 and issues
[22:36] <xubuntu19w> chromium problem with pinch and general slowness. OS is using 30-50% more resources tnah previous


[07:11] <popey> Good morning
[07:29] <Mister_Q> o/
[08:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:25] <popey> yo
[08:39] <czajkowski> hows things going?
[12:41] <popey> czajkowski: busy busy!
[14:28] <czajkowski> popey: got hotels booked for Ubucon?
[21:04] <ahoneybun> mhall119:  any idea why the Washington DC LoCo shows active but the page does not exist when you click it?
[21:08] <pleia2> ahoneybun: in what? (and I suspect this is a better question for the loco council?)
[21:08] <pleia2> czajkowski: do you know where are people staying for ubucon?
[21:08] <knome> o hai pleia2
[21:09] <pleia2> o/ knome
[21:13] <czajkowski> pleia2: no that's what I was going to ask to book the same hotel
[21:13] <czajkowski> I know there is one on the website that looks to be the main one
[21:13] <pleia2> the website lists Unperfekthotel so I figured I'd just do that
[21:13] <pleia2> it's not so expensive
[21:13] <pleia2> which is good, since I'm paying ;)
[21:23] <Mister_Q> pleia2 most of our ubuntufun team stays here https://www.ihg.com/holidayinnexpress/hotels/us/en/essen/essdl/hoteldetail#
[21:23] <pleia2> Mister_Q: ah, good to know
[21:24] <pleia2> Mister_Q: walking distance to the venue?
[21:24] <Mister_Q> 8-10 minutes
[21:24] <pleia2> cool
[21:24] <Mister_Q> ~700m
[21:25]  * pleia2 nods
[21:26] <czajkowski> ah good to know
[21:26] <czajkowski> will book that as an IHG member
[21:26] <czajkowski> clock up my nights
[21:32] <Mister_Q> cool
[22:58] <ahoneybun> pleia2: in loco.ubuntu.com
[22:58] <ahoneybun> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-districtofcolumbia/
[22:58] <ahoneybun> on the team page it's called Ubuntu Washington LoCo
[22:58] <ahoneybun> but there is also Washington, DC LoCo


[01:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Why you should attend the Ubuntu Summit @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/why-you-should-attend-the-ubuntu-summit
[19:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: How to Reset Ubuntu Dock to Default Settings @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/06/reset-ubuntu-dock-default-settings