[02:07] <viewer|5848> I'm trying to find some info on the window tiling/snapping feature, can someone point me in the right direction?
[05:48] <user|60214> hello
[06:00] <Dat> system fixed
[06:23] <Newb3e> hello guys,i need help! when i boot from usb it boots into test/try mode and there is no installation option
[06:24] <Newb3e> am i doing something wrong?
[06:25] <acheronuk> Newb3e: If it goes straight into a live session there should still be an install option. Icon in top left (may be hard to click), or search 'install' in the main menu
[06:27] <Newb3e> okay let me try and one thing i want to format every drive ie win c: d: e: will it format and wipe everything
[06:27] <Newb3e> i am a noob hence the lame queries
[06:30] <acheronuk> haven't tried on a machine with windows partitions for some time, but there should be options to use the whole disk, or install side by side with windows
[06:31] <acheronuk> there's also a manual partitioning option if those don't do what you want
[06:55] <soee> the folder view bug will be fixed in upcoming 16.04.1 release
[10:06] <crashing> Hello guys wanting to test Kubuntu, but I am stuck after the Kubuntu logo and therefore it says Plasma Crashed
[10:06] <crashing> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1571564
[10:06] <crashing> How can I solve it, new installation, checked for defect *none* and also cannot launch the installer
[10:48] <viewer|88350> Hello, trying to install Kunbutn (No defects on USB nor installation) but the installation launcher would not launch and Plasma is crashing
[10:48] <viewer|88350> Kubuntu* 16.04 LTS, the SSD is clean also just erased it
[11:01] <soee> viewer|88350: crashing after install?
[11:03] <viewer|88350> soee: BEFORE, the installation wizard (launcher) do not start even
[11:03] <viewer|88350> soee: It's 16.04 LTS on a newly formatted SSD and nothing is on it, the installation is checked (no defects)
[11:04] <viewer|88350> Plasma keeps crashing
[11:05] <soee> so Plasma crashing in Live Session ?
[11:06] <viewer|88350> soee: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eJT8V.png
[11:07] <viewer|88350> The Kubuntu logo flashes then this happens (the pic) then I try to restart but nothing happens
[11:07] <viewer|88350> After I close it down (press the button) the black screen appears with a mouse forever
[11:07] <soee> can you move the mouse cursor than ?
[11:07] <viewer|88350> Not that specify error but there are serveral
[11:07] <viewer|88350> soee: Correct
[11:08] <viewer|88350> I can even launch firefox
[11:08] <soee> can you press ALT + F2 and krunner shows up ?
[11:08] <viewer|88350> soee: No but CTRL ALT F2 works
[11:08] <viewer|88350> But I have no password nor useranme
[11:08] <viewer|88350> Tried searching but could not find
[11:08] <viewer|88350> tried root / toor
[11:09] <soee> ctrl alt  f2 will switch you to tty2
[11:09] <viewer|88350> soee: When ALT F2 is pressed krunner will crash
[11:09] <soee> and you want gui
[11:09] <viewer|88350> yup GUI
[11:10] <soee> well the problem is probably with plsmashell and we can't do much here as it will be upstream bug probably
[11:10] <soee> sadly the ISO does not contain newer plasma that could have some fixes
[11:10] <viewer|88350> -_-
[11:11] <viewer|88350> Thanks dude,
[11:11] <viewer|88350> Really wanted to try KDE 5
[11:11] <soee> viewer|88350: you might want to try install Neon
[11:11] <soee> it has now Plasma 5.7
[11:12] <viewer|88350> KDE Neon...KDE made a distro themselves?
[11:12] <soee> more or less
[11:12] <viewer|88350> soee: I tell you man, Linux is a rabbit hole
[11:12] <viewer|88350> and Windows sucks
[11:13] <soee> :D
[11:13] <soee> if you spend some time with linux you will love it
[11:13] <viewer|88350> soee: I get a panic when I want to really watch something and I cannot install VLC because I have the wrong repo
[11:13] <soee> viewer|88350: on what distro?
[11:14] <viewer|88350> It was OpenSUSE I think
[11:14] <viewer|88350> The offline repo was enabled from start
[11:14] <soee> viewer|88350: jump to #kde-neon
[11:14] <viewer|88350> Asked people why it was so and people started to yell as hell
[11:14] <viewer|88350> Yeah will try it
[11:14] <viewer|88350> My fourth Distro in this month it will be
[11:14] <soee> it has VLC installed by default
[11:15] <viewer|88350> soee: Not MKV supported files
[11:15] <soee> Kubuntu is great
[11:15] <soee> viewer|88350: what ?
[11:15] <viewer|88350> soee: On OpenSUSE I was talking
[11:15] <soee> oO
[11:16] <viewer|88350> soee: I was applying that Linux fanbase can be very hard sometimes and they will never talk bad about it
[11:17] <soee> viewer|88350: well if Kubuntu wont work for you i suggest trying Neon
[11:18] <soee> it works pretty nice on one of my machines http://i.imgur.com/g0Jy3pv.jpg
[11:18] <soee> still you might want to wait ~2 weeks, than Kubuntu 16.04.1 will be released
[11:18] <soee> so it might work for you better
[11:19] <viewer|88350> Will try KDE
[11:19] <viewer|88350> KDE Neon, one question to you
[11:19] <viewer|88350> soee: "Is it a distro?
[11:19] <viewer|88350> Not quite, it's a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base. While we have installable images, unlike full Linux distributions we're only interested in KDE software
[11:19] <viewer|88350> soee: Question does the kernel get updated then? :O
[11:20] <soee> it is based on Ubuntu 16.04
[11:20] <soee> so it contains the same kernerl
[11:20] <soee> *Kernel
[11:20] <viewer|88350> soee: So when Ubuntu updatges to a new kernel and or version, does Neon also?
[11:20] <viewer|88350> Because they say only the software will be updated
[11:21] <soee> viewer|88350: Neon has the same updates as Ubuntu 16.04
[11:21] <viewer|88350> "Not quite, it's a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base. Unlike rolling distros only the KDE software will be updated continuously"
[11:21] <soee> so both will use Kernel 4.4.x
[11:21] <viewer|88350> Ok, was just curious because they stated that statement
[11:21] <soee> viewer|88350: the main purpose was
[11:22] <soee> to always provide latest Plasma, Apps and Frameworks delivered by KDE community
[11:22] <viewer|88350> I see then
[11:22] <viewer|88350> Thanks soee for your time and patience
[11:22] <soee> np, enjoy linux on distro you pick :)
[11:22] <viewer|88350> For your help I will try to hold out little more on Linux even due I get really bad at it
[11:23] <soee> you can always ask for help :)
[11:23] <viewer|88350> Best would be to have Arch Linux and pick all the package myself and make the system stable but I am not so advanced :D
[11:23] <viewer|88350> Love you dude
[11:23] <viewer|88350> See you maybe :)
[11:23] <soee> hopoe soe :D
[12:32] <anabain> Need some help with dolphin on updated 16.04. It just freezes when launched...
[13:50] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[15:39] <matt__> I was wondering. Why Kubuntu guys can't create DE that competes with Windows or OSX. Of course features are amazing but there is always problem with something. This doesn't work, that too.  From what I see those guys are amazing and really talented. So what's the problem? Do you think that in linux community there are lot of old, hard religious guys that are afraid of changes? Why there is
[15:39] <matt__> still XOrg and other relicts? I witnessed many people that say that it's better to stay with old solution than the new one.
[15:43] <lethu> matt__: many things are changing with the arrival of wayland and vulkan, but this is offtopic here
[15:50] <matt__> I see. Uncomfortable question are always offtopic;) Thx.
[15:59] <lethu> matt__: :)
[17:25] <akik> when is the kubuntu 16.04.1 released?
[17:29] <bradj555> Good morning
[17:29] <bradj555> I've got an install question I can't seem to find an answer to by google.
[17:29] <acheronuk> akik: scheduled for 21st July
[17:29] <lethu> bradj555: ask your question
[17:29] <akik> acheronuk: thanks
[17:30] <bradj555> I just upgraded my system and am trying a fresh Kubuntu 16.04 install on an SDD.  I've got an intel i5 6400, and an Nvidia GTX 950.
[17:31] <bradj555> When I put in my thumbdrive and boot it says "Plasma has stopped working" and that's all.
[17:31] <bradj555> I can hit ctrl+alt+F1 and get to a shell login, but I don't know what login to use there since I haven't set anything up.
[17:32] <bradj555> er, SSD not SDD
[17:32] <lethu> bradj555: do you get that in the live environment?
[17:32] <bradj555> Yup.
[17:33] <lethu> bradj555: have you checked the livedvd's checksums?
[17:33] <lethu> bradj555: also have you checked the pendrive for defects?
[17:33] <bradj555> um.  No.  Yeah that'd be a good place to start....
[17:34] <lethu> bradj555: :)
[18:45] <bradj555> I'm back!
[18:46] <bradj555> Trying to do a fresh install of 16.04, i5 6400, GTX 950, SSD.
[18:46] <bradj555> Checked both my thumbdrive and the ISO, both good.
[18:47] <bradj555> When it tries to load the live environment it does nothing but display a plasma crash message.  Googling doesn't turn up anything but some Mac forum stuff
[18:47] <bradj555> plasmashell pid 2682 signal illegal instruction (4)
[18:47] <bradj555> Anyone have ideas?
[18:47] <bradj555> Googling says that apparently 16.04 doesn't like some nvidia cards, so maybe that's it?
[20:04] <plusEV> Hi, I am getting notified on my bottom panel every time I put a file in my recycle bin. Does anyone know how to turn of that specifically? I want notifications on though.
[20:06] <plusEV> like i want to be notified when I change my panel etc. I just don't want it for putting file sin recycle bin.
[20:06] <plusEV> files in even
[20:08] <plusEV> Kubuntu 16.04 Plasma 5.6.5
[20:08] <ShotokanZH> hi evryone
[20:09] <ShotokanZH> i'm having issues with a clean install of kubuntu 16.04 on an ASUS ROG G752VT
[20:10] <ShotokanZH> basically plasma crashes and i can't install anything
[20:11] <ShotokanZH> (i mean, i can't even install it)
[20:26] <plusEV> I mean I might want it anyway since there is no confirmation box on my delete. i usually shift+del anyways to perma delete. And that does give me confirmation box. So ignore my question. It is good to have that notification. :)
[23:25] <user|81636> hello?
[23:27] <Ricky1020> hi can someone help me
[23:28] <valorie> pfff
[23:28] <valorie> help with what?


[08:13]  * apw yanws
[08:29]  * smb scanning email... 120+ uploads to precise. It cannot be a feature, so it must be a bug
[08:29] <ppisati> :)
[08:31] <apw> henrix, hey welcome
[08:40] <henrix> apw, hi! and thanks :)
[08:40] <henrix> sorry for the delay. i have connected to irc and when straight for coffee
[08:41] <apw> henrix, no worries, it was luck i saw you at all as i have login messages suppressed anyhow
[08:41] <apw> henrix, oh and its still early in our timezone
[08:41] <henrix> apw, yes, still early
[08:42] <apw> and /me hasn't had an tea yet
[08:42] <henrix> apw, i can't get started w/o my coffee. or tea
[08:43] <apw> henrix, me either mostly, i can just about cope with irc before
[08:43] <smb> henrix, Oh yeah, welcome 2
[08:43] <henrix> smb, thanks!
[08:44] <henrix> smb, also uk?
[08:44] <smb> henrix, No, de :)
[08:44] <henrix> smb, ah! close enough :)
[08:45] <smb> henrix, yeah, just an hour, which sometimes can be confusing enough
[08:45] <apw> yeah and he is about an hour lazier than me, so we align pretty well
[08:45] <henrix> heh. i guess most of the people will be in a US timezone, or am i wrong?
[08:45] <smb> henrix, and probably a word of "warning" that some of apw's hours are in +1, as well :)
[08:46] <apw> we have a pretty good spread now not quite half are .eu now, as we have ppisati as well and colin
[08:46] <henrix> great
[08:47] <henrix> so, i was just checking if i already had access to the wiki but it looks like i don't
[08:49] <apw> henrix, did you get your welcome email from pete with all the pointers on it
[08:49] <smb> henrix, the wiki needs a special group assigned in lp
[08:50] <henrix> apw, no, not yet. unless he used the canonical email, which i still don't know how to access
[08:50]  * apw suspects we need pete or tim for that, and i don't they have done that yet
[08:50] <smb> (at least the canonical one, the ubuntu one should be at least readable)
[08:50] <henrix> smb, just checked my lp and no new group assigned
[08:50] <apw> henrix, expect today to be a bust ... wht wheels grind slow
[08:50]  * apw will ask IS if they are processing you
[08:50] <smb> right, think one of tim or pete need to add the canonical one
[08:51] <henrix> well, i received the initial email from IS and i have replied w/ all info requested. but haven't got any reply from them
[08:51] <henrix> so, i guess i just need to wait
[08:52] <apw> henrix, ahh good, yeah IS won't be around till 9, so you get to talk to us till then
[09:40]  * ppisati loves sshfs
[09:42] <apw> ppisati, its pretty cool indeed
[09:44] <apw> henrix, so, as we'll be in the office tommorrow, you might take advantage there of the b/w to get the big repos you'll need
[09:44] <henrix> apw, yep, i guess that's a good idea
[09:45] <smb> best thing to do was to get linus tree and have a --reference to that for all of our trees when pulling
[09:46] <henrix> yes, keep the disk usage lower. and it's faster
[09:47] <smb> A lot for the initial clone
[09:47]  * smb remembers not knowing that when starting and waiting looooong dark coffetimes of it
[09:47] <apw> yeah so if you have nothing else to do, then i'd make sure you have an up to date linux-linus
[09:48] <apw> i recommend a bare clone, so you don't accidentally use it ever
[09:48] <apw> and use that as reference for all our trees, as they are all pretty close to linus
[09:49] <henrix> ok, i do have the linus tree. i used that method to follow some -tip branches some time ago
[09:51] <Elboras> hi
[09:52] <apw> Elboras, hi
[09:52] <apw> henrix, thats good, one less thing to wait for to download
[09:53] <apw> henrix, you might want to clone down say the precise tree and look at that
[09:53] <henrix> apw, right. i will
[09:53] <apw> henrix, i'll let you try and find the information in the wiki :)
[09:54] <henrix> apw, ;)
[09:54] <apw> henrix, one of your tasks is to update any wiki information you find is unhelpful or incomplete
[09:54] <apw> henrix, feel free to ask anything you need to, and we just ask you add anything you think is missing to the wiki so the next person finds it easier
[09:55] <apw> henrix, if you are unsure you can ask for review of the changes or whatever works
[09:55] <apw> but we no longer can see any issues with the wiki, it appears purfect, but its clearly not
[09:55] <henrix> apw, ok, cool. i'll keep it in mind while going through all the info there
[09:56] <ppisati> and that reminds me i should document all the cross-stuff
[09:56] <henrix> when i find something that does not sound ok, i'll flag it and eventually update
[09:57] <apw> henrix, yep you are a virgin eye on the data, something which you only are this once, so we need you to be critical of what you read, and where you have to ask ... that tells you and us there is something missing and it needs adding
[09:57] <apw> henrix, don't put it off, just change it ;)
[09:57] <henrix> apw, got it!
[10:48] <ppisati> bug 922799
[10:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922799 in linux "Oneiric update to 3.0.18 stable release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922799
[12:24]  * ppisati -> lunch
[13:12] <tgardner> apw, you're not hearing me on mumble ? I can hear you guys.
[13:13] <apw> tgardner, yeah try switching from pulse to alsa and back again, apply both ways, in mumble
[13:13] <apw> tgardner, as we are not seeing red lips at all
[14:37] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/936308
[14:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 936308 in linux "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000004 (sd_revalidate_disk+0x21/0x290)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:37] <apw> smb, yan sd_validate_disk jobbie ^^
[14:39] <smb> apw, bah, removing usb has become kind of a game of luck...
[14:40] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/936652
[14:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 936652 in linux "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000004 (locks_free_lock+0x9/0x50)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:40] <apw> bah
[14:41]  * tgardner reboots tangerine
[17:01] <popey> hullo kernel people!
[17:01] <popey> I have an x220 which seems to have a fit every now and then and whilst it has an IP, no traffic will pass over the network interface
[17:02] <popey> wondered what diagnostics I could get from it before I reconnect to the network and file a bug?
[17:02] <popey> I have dmesg, ifconfig, a ping, lsmod... anything else?
[17:03] <apw> info on what type of AP it is talking to
[17:03] <apw> what encryption mode, periodicity of failure
[17:08] <popey> apw: ta
[17:10]  * apw calls it a day before it gets any worse ...
[17:41] <tkamppeter> tgardner, hi
[17:41] <tgardner> tkamppeter, hi
[17:43] <tkamppeter> tgardner, I have a USB problem, I have recently updated my Oneiric box to the newest 3.0.0-16 kernel and now, after connecting a USB printer it takes several minutes until UDEV kicks in setting the group ownership to "lp" and running /lib/udev/udev-configure-printer.
[17:44] <tkamppeter> tgardner, this can also have led to some people still complaining in bug 872711 or telling that the bug reappeared with kernel 3.0.0-16.
[17:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 872711 in linux "Kernel does not report some USB printers correctly, making them not being detected by CUPS" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872711
[17:45] <tgardner> tkamppeter, possibly. do any of these devices require firmware to be loaded ?
[17:46] <tkamppeter> tgardner, no. The only printer needing firmware is not connected currently.
[17:46] <tgardner> tkamppeter, and it works reliably with 3.0.0-15 ? if so, then we ought to be able to bisect down to the offending patch.
[17:47] <tkamppeter> tgardner, probably but not absolutely sure.
[17:48] <tgardner> tkamppeter, it would help to be sure that it really is a kernel regression.
[17:48] <tkamppeter> tgardner, should I paste the syslog for you?
[17:48] <tgardner> tkamppeter, pastebin it
[17:49] <tkamppeter> tgardner, this is what I mean with pasting ...
[17:51] <tkamppeter> tgardner, http://paste.ubuntu.com/850262/
[17:54] <tgardner> tkamppeter, the kernel doesn't seem real happy, 'usb 7-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110'. can you check if 3.0.0-15 has those errors?
[17:56] <tkamppeter> tgardner, OK, will try to boot the old one ...
[18:02] <tkamppeter> tgardner, booted 3.0.0-15 now and the printer is recognized and processed by UDEV within a second or two.
[18:06] <tgardner> tkamppeter, good. please catch jsalisbury or bjf tomorrow when they return to work. the'll build bisect kernels for you so we can narrow down the offending patch.
[18:06] <tkamppeter> tgardner, but error seems still to be there: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/850279/
[18:06] <tgardner> tkamppeter, seems like it might be a red herring
[18:09] <tkamppeter> tgardner, false positive.
[18:10] <tkamppeter> tgardner, now I tried to connect more than one printer and connected a hub with one of these firmware-hungry printers and now it is all like before with 3.0.0-16.
[18:11] <tkamppeter> tgardner, seems that the firmware-hungry printer contaminates the USB stack somehow.
[18:11] <tgardner> tkamppeter, did you have a udev update recently ?
[18:15] <tkamppeter> tgardner, I do not know. The system is up-to-date, as I updated yesterday. Which version should I have?
[18:16] <tkamppeter> tgardner, my UDEV is 173-0ubuntu4.1.
[18:16] <tgardner> tkamppeter, I don't know what version it should be. I just know that udev can have an impact on firmware loading.
[18:16] <tgardner> just looking at what might have changed recently
[18:17] <tkamppeter> tgardner, when I connect several printers at once, some already connected get immediately UDEV-processed. Also some of the newly connected ones. But there can still remain unprocessed printers which get only processed after some minutes.
[18:19] <tgardner> tkamppeter, can you correlate that delay from timing information in /var/log/udev ?
[18:28] <tkamppeter> tgardner, will try.
[18:35] <tkamppeter> tgardner, in the moment of plugging ther printer does not appear in /var/log/udev
[18:40] <tkamppeter> tgardner, it seems that my udev stoipped logging with the last boot, last entry is from around the time when I booted into 3.0.0-15.


[12:52] <pwnguin> grr. stupid network manager keyring
[12:53] <pwnguin> for the love of god, it's just a wep key, why bother protecting that?
[12:54] <pwnguin> hurray for upstairs neighbors with open APs
[12:59] <pwnguin> wth, ubuntu-desktop is being removed on dist-upgrade?
[01:00] <pwnguin> is there a way to get apt to explain the upgrade reasoning?
[01:01] <Pici> aptitude seems to attempt to explain it
[01:01] <pwnguin> i think gimp is conflicting with gimp print
[01:01] <Pici> also bug 121782
[01:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121782 in human-theme "human-theme_0.7_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/themes/Human/cursor.theme', which is also in package human-cursors-theme" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121782
[01:05] <pwnguin> i wonder if it needs to conflict with cursors
[01:05] <pwnguin> there should probably also be a diversion
[01:10] <pwnguin> someone look at the manpage for aptitude real quick -- is it just me or are some formatting characters being shown?
[01:11] <Pici> like \fBinstall\fR
[01:12] <pwnguin> yea
[01:15] <Pici> hmm.. I wonder if its a man bug, or a aptitude bug..
[01:16] <pwnguin> or just some terminal setting
[01:20] <pwnguin> its a bug in aptitude
[01:20] <pwnguin> #116946
[01:20] <pwnguin> bug #116946
[01:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116946 in aptitude "[gutsy]  bolding is broken in manual page" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116946
[01:20] <Pici> Well then. I can stop looking now.
[01:24] <pwnguin> Pici: i cant be sure yet, but i think the solution is to remove cursors package
[01:33] <terlmann>  I have feisty and dri enabled , but after a crash my framerates in 3d apps have dropped to nul
[01:33] <terlmann> I know this does not belong in +1
[01:34] <terlmann> but the experts live here
[01:34] <terlmann> And I doubt anyone else can even diagnose my issue
[01:36] <terlmann>  I have feisty and dri enabled , but after a crash my framerates in 3d apps have dropped to nul
[01:36] <terlmann> can you help me ?
[03:48] <BotLobsta> anyone know how to mount a usb drive?
[03:48] <BotLobsta> i seem to be missing the devices in /dev
[03:52] <BotLobsta> can anyone help?
[04:10] <pwnguin> where's the best place to ask about init?
[04:11] <crdlb> pwnguin, #upstart ?
[04:11] <pwnguin> im browsing some bootcharts from the past month, and there's a couple of places where it just seems to pause
[04:14] <pwnguin> modprobe seems to have a lot of uninterruptible sleep, but i guess there's not much to be done about that
[04:16] <pwnguin> there
[04:28] <DanaG> Bug: gnome-power-manager repeatedly turns off backlight.
[04:29] <DanaG> s/bug/bug report/
[04:32] <pwnguin> not a bug
[04:32] <pwnguin> or at least, its also a feature
[04:33] <pwnguin> there's an idle timeout that dims the screen
[04:34] <pwnguin> grr. its a bit annoying to see that over the last month, my boot time has gone from 35 seconds to 54 >:O
[04:35] <Toma-> 19 seconds of your day, ruined!
[04:36] <DanaG> But it switches brightness 3 times when switching from AC -> Battery, or vice versa.
[04:36] <pwnguin> i should have boot chart notify me when it happens so i might have a clue why it happened, instead of me just looking ten days later and seeing a depressing chart
[04:36] <DanaG> And when it tries to change brightness, it instead turns the backlight entirely OFF.
[04:36] <pwnguin> DanaG: do brightness controls generally work on your laptop?
[04:37] <BotLobsta> whenever i start ubuntu, udevd takes over my processor with subprocesses watershed and evms_activate.  What do these do, and why wont they stop?
[04:37] <DanaG> They work in 2.6.20 perfectly, and in 2.6.22 they work if nothing tries to use /sys/class/backlight.
[04:38] <DanaG> The new backlight sysfs support for the ACPI Video module doesn't work as well as /proc/acpi/video.
[04:38] <pwnguin> BotLobsta: try "man evms_activate"
[04:39] <DanaG> !cat /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness
[04:39] <DanaG> argh, pidgin crashed.
[04:39] <BotLobsta> pwnguin,  but why is it running after /etc/fstab has been read?
[04:39] <DanaG> levels:  100 37 12 25 37 50 62 75 87 100
[04:39] <DanaG> current: 100
[04:40] <DanaG> But /sys/class/backlight doesn't offer the discrete levels, so GPM tries to use increments of 1.
[04:40] <pwnguin> BotLobsta: not a clue
[04:41] <pwnguin> what's with the levels not being sorted?
[04:41] <DanaG> According to ACPI spec, the first two show what the defaults for AC and battery are.
[04:41] <pwnguin> ah
[04:41] <BotLobsta> hmm
[04:42] <DanaG> I actually looked up the spec during Edgy, when brightness-up merely crashed xorg, and brightness-down did nothing whatsoever.
[04:42] <pwnguin> mreely
[04:43] <DanaG> Here's the keys-not-working cause and fix (now fixed.)
[04:43] <DanaG> http://www.ttuttle.net/blog/computers
[04:43] <BotLobsta> could this be why none of my usb drives mount?
[04:43] <BotLobsta> or rather, why i dont have a /dev device for any usb port?
[04:43] <pwnguin> im pretty sure hal creates those dynamically
[04:43] <pwnguin> /sys has entries for your ports, surely
[04:45] <DanaG> "Dim display brightness by" 25% -- seems to mean to set to 75%.
[04:46] <DanaG> should be s/by/to/
[04:46] <DanaG> Oh wait, it DOES subtract.
[04:52] <DanaG> or powersaved and acpi-support
[04:52] <pwnguin> i should probably go through and clean this install up
[04:52] <DanaG> There seem to be duplicated config options.
[04:53] <pwnguin> Filename: pool/universe/t/transset/transset_0.1.0+cvs.20041114-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:57] <DanaG> Any idea when compiz-fusion-plugins-{main,extra} will appear on the repos?
[04:58] <BotLobsta> compiz-fusion-plugins-main is already there
[05:02] <DanaG> When did it appear?  If it was today, then I simply didn't notice it.
[05:02] <DanaG> I don't see it.
[05:03] <DanaG> od...
[05:03] <DanaG> aptitude install compiz-fusion<tab> lists it,
[05:03] <DanaG> but it doesn't appear in 'aptitude' (no parameters, to use GUI).
[05:04] <DanaG> s/od/odd/
[05:05] <Pici> No candidate version found for compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[05:07] <dcsmith> Does anyone know if the gutsy kernel has support for the macbook camera?
[05:08] <DanaG> No current or candidate version found for compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[05:08] <DanaG> Package: compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[05:08] <DanaG> State: not a real package
[05:09] <BotLobsta> hmmm
[05:09] <BotLobsta> youre right
[05:09] <DanaG> that's aptitude show.
[05:09] <BotLobsta> i never tried to install it
[05:10] <DanaG> I'm fine with Beryl for now.
[05:10] <BotLobsta> i just saw that it existed in the package list
[05:10] <DanaG> Plus, there are some things I'll miss from beryl: namely, the name.  (/me facefaults at the pun)
[05:12] <DanaG> pavucontrol: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangomm-1.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib13wrap_registerEmPFPNS_10ObjectBaseEP8_GObjectE
[05:16] <BotLobsta> anyone know what this error message means from dmesg
[05:16] <BotLobsta> [ 3429.740000]  usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 53
[05:16] <BotLobsta>  [ 3430.148000]  usb 3-1: device not accepting address 53, error -71
[05:23] <DanaG> paman: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglademm-2.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib5Class21register_derived_typeEm
[05:23] <DanaG> Something is borked.
[05:34] <DanaG> How would I go about fixing that error?
[05:40] <khermans> is everyone else's gnome completely messed up ?
[05:58] <xsacha> hey, just got new kernel in upgrade.. no probs with it right?
[05:58] <xsacha> btw, any fix for adept?
[05:58] <pwnguin> huh. i removed a few dozen transitional packages, one package that moved from main to universe, and ran "profile" on boot, and it's back down to 35 seconds =/
[05:59] <xsacha> which package?
[06:00] <pwnguin> ivman
[06:00] <pwnguin> this is kind of an old, old install.
[06:01] <pwnguin> (i found a x package from 2004 for transparencies installed as well_
[06:02] <xsacha> amarok 1.4.6 is really nice :)
[06:02] <pwnguin> i get by with rhythmbox well enough
[06:03] <xsacha> maybe if i was using gnome..
[06:03] <DanaG> That's also the reason I got my iAudio6.  Folder views, not just tagged views.
[06:03] <pwnguin> well, i dont own an ipod
[06:03] <pwnguin> i guess that helps
[06:03] <xsacha> i just really like this last.fm integration and being able to check the lyrics and artist at a click
[06:04] <xsacha> and my playlist is much faster now (was thing i didnt like before)
[06:04] <xsacha> moodbar is cool but i think i'll get over it
[06:05] <pwnguin> i think they do about the same thing
[06:05] <pwnguin> one feature i do use and wish was better, is the filtering
[06:06] <pwnguin> i basically have a large library of CDs, which includes some OSTs. the OSTs have some drama tracks
[06:07] <xsacha> OSTs are what?
[06:07] <pwnguin> original sound tracks
[06:07] <xsacha> k
[06:08] <pwnguin> also, the tenacious D album has these dialogs
[06:09] <pwnguin> so ive got an automatic playlist set up
[06:14] <pwnguin> i add new stuff, and it cuts out the junk ;)
[06:14] <xsacha> junk?
[06:17] <pwnguin> xsacha: dialog tracks, short goofy tracks, etc
[06:52] <semistud2354> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[06:52] <semistud2354> im getting this problem does anyone have any suggestions
[06:52] <semistud2354> on how to fix it
[07:12] <DanaG> pavucontrol: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglademm-2.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib5Class21register_derived_typeEm
[07:12] <DanaG> paman: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libglademm-2.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib5Class21register_derived_typeEm
[07:12] <DanaG> same error, by the way.
[07:13] <crimsun> file a bug, please.  I'll look into it later.
[07:16] <DanaG> What would I title it?
[07:18] <crimsun> Current gusty /usr/lib/libglademm-2.4.so.1 references missing _ZN4Glib5Class21register_derived_typeEm
[07:19] <DanaG> While I'm at it, I might as well file a different bug about the brightness control.
[07:24] <DanaG> Hmm, paprefs: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgconfmm-2.6.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib13wrap_registerEmPFPNS_10ObjectBaseEP8_GObjectE
[07:25] <DanaG> Would I attach that to the same bug, or a different one?
[07:28] <crimsun> these are all bugs against the appropriate pa* source packages.
[07:28] <crimsun> pavucontrol, paman, paprefs
[07:29] <DanaG> Use commas to separate, then?
[07:29] <crimsun> no
[07:29] <DanaG> Or the metapackage pulseaudio-utils
[07:29] <crimsun> pick one of those as the primary, then add separate tasks for the remaining two
[07:30] <crimsun> "Also affects Distribution"
[07:30] <crimsun> choose Ubuntu, then the appropriate source package name I've given you
[07:31] <DanaG> Since there are two different libraries at issue, should I change the title?
[07:32] <crimsun> file two separate bugs.
[07:33] <DanaG> Okay.
[07:35] <DanaG> I just noticed in gutsy-changes: gran paradiso alpha, and compiz-fusion-plugins-*.  Cool, now I know I just have to wait a little while for them to be built.
[07:37] <crimsun> which bug is the first one?
[07:37] <crimsun> meaning bug #
[07:38] <DanaG> 121831
[07:38] <crimsun> bug 121831
[07:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121831 in pavucontrol "Current gusty /usr/lib/libglademm-2.4.so.1 missing _ZN4Glib5Class21register_derived_typeEm" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121831
[07:40] <DanaG> second:
[07:40] <DanaG> bug 121832
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121832 in paprefs "Current gusty /usr/lib/libgconfmm-2.6.so.1 missing _ZN4Glib13wrap_registerEmPFPNS_10ObjectBaseEP8_GObjectE" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121832
[07:42] <DanaG> I think I'll write up the brightness-control bug now.  However, which package to attach it to is slightly uncertain:
[07:42] <DanaG> It's gnome-power-manager, plus the kernel /sys/class/backlight/
[07:43] <crimsun> both.
[07:44] <DanaG> Okay.
[07:56] <pwnguin> has anyone seen this? http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/index.html
[08:00] <crimsun> DanaG: what're your /proc/asound/card0/codec* contents?
[08:01] <crimsun> (unrelated, I need it for comparison)
[08:03] <DanaG> should I /msg, or pastebin?
[08:03] <crimsun> latter
[08:04] <DanaG> http://paste.stgraber.org/1762
[08:04] <DanaG> (used pipe and pastebinit)
[08:09] <DanaG> I still don't have input working, and pc-speaker beep is not passed through once the driver loads -- but compared to Dell, that might be considered a "feature".
[08:39] <DanaG> bug 121833
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[08:40] <DanaG> I may edit the description to say "at idle or when on battery" to convey a bit more urgency.
[08:46] <DanaG> bug 121833
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[08:47] <DanaG> Aah, much better.  I also revised the wording of the description.
[08:55] <DanaG> oops, in changelog for latest compiz:
[08:55] <DanaG> "do run run glxinfo...."
[09:54] <DanaG> odd: apt-watch-auth-helper uses su instead of sudo.
[10:23] <akrus> LOL!
[10:23] <akrus> Microsoft is now reselling Ubuntu xD
[10:27] <coNP> oh no... again? :D
[10:28] <Toma-> welcome to 3 days ago
[10:28] <Toma-> ps, #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:33] <wigfreitz> hi all, I know this is a feisty question but I wasn't getting much sense out of #ubuntu. Im trying to compile flashplugin-nonfree from source (apt-get wont work) but Im getting a child process failed. could someone take a look http://rafb.net/p/sUEo4Q35. I checked the swap and other thinks compile okay so could it be the source?
[11:34] <RAOF> wigfreitz: paste 404s.  Also, flashplugin-nonfree from *source*?  I'm not entirely sure how that'd work, since flash is a proprietary binary blob :)
[11:36] <wigfreitz> ah
[11:36] <wigfreitz> well when I try to apt-get install I get E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
[11:37] <wigfreitz> RAOF http://rafb.net/p/dD43dQ55.html :-)
[11:37] <wigfreitz> might explain this error then
[11:41] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: are you on 64bit?
[11:42] <wigfreitz> gnomefreak indeed
[11:42] <wigfreitz> ah
[11:42] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: use gnash
[11:42] <gnomefreak> if you are on gutsy
[11:42] <RAOF> Yeah, the reason why just apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree didn't work was that it *can't* :)
[11:42] <gnomefreak> dont use gnash on feisty unless you use Mozilla team repo
[11:43] <wigfreitz> what is the mozilla team repro?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[11:43] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[11:43] <wigfreitz> and how stable is it?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> thats for feisty
[11:43] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: i havent had any issues with it since im the one building and uploading packages to it
[11:44] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: are you on gutsy or feisty?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> gutsy has working gnash in repos already
[11:45] <gnomefreak> feisty has gutsy's gnash in mozilla repo
[11:46] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: everything except firefox-trunk and firefox-granparadiso is stable
[11:46] <wigfreitz> granparadiso?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> questions or problems join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[11:47] <wigfreitz> kk
[11:47] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: its firefox 3.0 and trunk is also 3.0
[11:47] <gnomefreak> trunk is updated more often
[11:50] <wigfreitz> gnomefreak: Is gnash better suited to streaming media and stuff?
[11:52] <wigfreitz> gnomefreak: that didn't work, I'm still getting the no plugin error
[11:52] <wigfreitz> Ill try reeboot
[11:58] <wigfreitz> gnomefreak, what's the mozilla room you said for support?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: #ubuntu-mozillateam
[11:59] <wigfreitz> join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[11:59] <wigfreitz> :-)
[02:57] <nanomad> any major breakages today (such as X11/gnome not working)? or can I dist-upgrade to gutsy
[02:57] <nanomad> (ps.. i dont'care 'bout bugs, this is my main test machine, just dont wanna waste time d/l XD)
[03:01] <RAOF> Works For Me (tm)
[03:03] <nanomad> RAOF, thx (tm)
[03:08] <shirish> hi all,  is anybody able to install the new firefox-granparadiso 3.0 alpha 5 build ?
[03:08] <shirish> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/003557.html
[03:20] <nanomad> shirish, whats wrong with it (not installed yet, still d-u)
[03:21] <shirish> nanomad: I tried the normal way after doing sudo aptitude update, doing sudo aptitude upgrade , nothing
[03:21] <shirish> then sudo aptitude install firefox-grandparadiso, nothing
[03:21] <shirish> what am I doing wrong?
[03:21] <nanomad> shirish, using official mirrors or one near you?
[03:22] <shirish> mirrors near me, but they usually sync with the mains within 2 hrs, and 2 hrs. are already passed.
[03:22] <shirish> sync=synced
[03:23] <shirish> if you are able to install it, please lemme know the correct name for installation or procedure
[03:25] <nanomad> shirish, it is not in the repos yet
[03:26] <shirish> nanomad: thanx for that info, then its cool, maybe I try again in few hrs. exciting seeing 3.0a5 for the first time, I did see a sneak preview of 3.0a1 on windows quite some time back :)

[08:00] <DanaG> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[08:01] <ubotu> Package compiz-fusion-plugins-main does not exist in gutsy
[08:01] <DanaG> :(
[08:05] <DanaG> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[08:05] <ubotu> Package compiz-fusion-plugins-extra does not exist in gutsy
[08:05] <DanaG> :(
[08:10] <wfarr> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[08:10] <ubotu> compiz-fusion-plugins-main: Collection of plugins from OpenCompositing for Compiz. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.0+git20070622-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 272 kB, installed size 1008 kB
[08:11] <DanaG> Wow, looks like it just appeared.
[08:11] <wfarr> DanaG, it's been in the repos for a few hours ;)
[08:11] <wfarr> Compiz pkg depends on it now
[08:11] <DanaG> I tried !info and ubotu told me it didn't exist.
[08:11] <DanaG> Did I misspell it?
[08:11] <wfarr> ubotu might be out of date
[08:12] <wfarr> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[08:12] <ubotu> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra: Collection of extra plugins from OpenCompositing for Compiz. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.0+git20070622-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 164 kB, installed size 1604 kB
[08:12] <wfarr> !info compiz-core
[08:12] <ubotu> compiz-core: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.5.1+git20070621-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 177 kB, installed size 1536 kB
[09:02] <DanaG> Argh, animations in compiz are broken.  (perhaps that's a topic more appropriate to -effects).
[10:33] <finalbeta> Will apparmor be available for the desktop version 2?
[10:33] <crimsun> "desktop version 2"?
[10:36] <finalbeta> crimsun, hmm, how did that get there?
[10:37] <finalbeta> Ehm, I think I did a paste by accident. No other way possible.
[10:37] <finalbeta> Oh, no, wait, I did type that.
[10:38] <finalbeta> too
[10:38] <pwnguin> i think the point is that you're the first person to type that
[10:39] <pwnguin> which is highly confusing given nobody typed "desktop version 1"
[10:39] <pwnguin> you mean tribe 2?
[10:39] <finalbeta> Nah, I should have typed, desktop version too, and not only the server version of Ubuntu.
[10:39] <pwnguin> im not sure i get the point of appArmor
[10:39] <finalbeta> Very confusing indeed. Sorry.
[10:40] <finalbeta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmorGutsy
[10:41] <finalbeta> It will probably only be implemented in the server. A configuration for the desktop would take more work.
[10:41] <pwnguin> i dont think it would help
[10:42] <pwnguin> app armor tries to reduce the amount of resources a broken service / program can subvert
[10:43] <finalbeta> Would be nice to have that on client network apps like mail clients/web browsers/chat clients. But I hardly know how effective/easy it is to set up.
[10:44] <crimsun> it will be implemented on -server for 7.04
[10:45] <pwnguin> finalbeta: how would you even divide resources in a mail client effectively?
[10:46] <finalbeta> it only needs to access it's own configuration files, and not the whole user dir.
[10:47] <pwnguin> ok, a mail client sure, but a web browser could concievably be pointed at your home dir
[10:48] <crimsun> finalbeta: you could implement that using a VMware image.
[10:48] <crimsun> or some $VM if its non-Free nature is unappealing
[10:48] <finalbeta> that's another discussion. I could verry weel set it up to only allow it to write to the dir where it downloads files.
[10:48] <finalbeta> Damn, very well*
[10:50] <pwnguin> that seems like the sort of thing you'd want if you really dont trust it
[10:50] <finalbeta> It would just be a nice thing it a default app like firefox could be boxed in that it can only read the libraries it needs/write to its own config files and a single dir where you would download content. This would make an unsecure browser secure because not much can be done with it.
[10:51] <crimsun> that has already been doen
[10:51] <crimsun> done, rather
[10:51] <pwnguin> finalbeta: app armor does not secure things perfectly
[10:51] <crimsun> UW-Seattle prototyped such a configuration
[10:51] <crimsun> look on their CS research pages under Dan Gribble's work
[10:52] <finalbeta> Well, I'm not seeing myself set up all those policies, would be nice if a distro did it for me.
[10:53] <pwnguin> crimsun: steve gribble?
[10:53] <crimsun> pwnguin: sorry, yes, steve gribble
[10:53] <crimsun> been a while since I looked at those pages
[10:54] <pwnguin> oh, you mean internet browsing in a vm
[10:55] <crimsun> yes
[10:56] <finalbeta> yes, I've seen the images, once played with it. You can download all sorts of such projects on the VMware site.
[10:56] <finalbeta> Yet I don't have resources to waste like that.
[10:56] <finalbeta> Already have 3Vmware images running as we speak.
[11:07] <crimsun> well, the poor man's $VM might be just a chroot
[11:10] <finalbeta> Security by design, not by implementation...
[11:15] <crimsun> death is the only securely designed thing.
[11:15] <crimsun> $deity help us all if someone finds a way to circumvent it.
[11:17] <DanaG> What's the difference between $something and $(something)?
[11:18] <crimsun> the former is a variable; the latter is a command executed in a subshell.
[11:19] <DanaG> Aah.


[00:00] <gentoo_drummer> exactly
[00:00] <gentoo_drummer> so this is an official bug?
[00:01] <MK``> I can't go that far, but, try to add the indicator applet. As for xchat, I think that was a separate but possibly related issue in a coding change
[00:02] <MK``> Seems I had to leave before they figured out the xchat issue, ask KM0201 if/when he returns :)
[00:02] <drc> Xchat appears for me in the Notification Area, and <will> minimize when clicked.
[00:04] <gentoo_drummer> i just checkd the show frame and now works...
[00:04] <drc> gentoo_drummer: 32 or 64 bit?
[00:05] <gentoo_drummer> 32
[00:06] <drc> my "show frame" is off/unchecked and the minimize still works...I was just wondering if it was a 32 vs 64 bit thing.
[00:06] <MK``> it rarely is
[00:06] <drc> I use 64 bit, forgot to add
[00:06] <gentoo_drummer> no idea..
[00:06] <Soupermanito> i think is a 11.04 thing, whit the whole drivers issue it seems to be having
[00:06] <drc> MK``: I know, but sometimes it is :)
[00:07] <gentoo_drummer> damn.. im in love with xfce..
[00:08] <Soupermanito> :D
[00:08] <Soupermanito> welcome to the team
[00:08] <drc> gentoo_drummer: be careful, she's a jealous mistress
[00:08] <drc> Don't let her catch you dual booting :(
[00:09] <Soupermanito> :(
[00:10] <Soupermanito> i wonder, is there a way to get that images open whit a wine emulated program, i simply cant stand ristretto, sorry, and i really like irfanview, so i can run irfan pretty well whit wine, but then i dont know how to bind images to be open whit irfan from thunar
[00:12] <drc> Soupermanito: Not sure about with WINE/irfanview, but there are several graphic viewer apps in the software center, and you can bind to them.
[00:12] <drc> Check SC>Graphics>Viewers
[00:13] <Soupermanito> i know, but none of them are good, the only one that is kinda good is the simple view command that uses teh imagemagick engine, but it has a really ugly gui
[00:13] <Soupermanito> if imagemagick had a gtk gui then i would choose that, but it doesnt so i dont
[00:16] <MK``> you can try Eye of GNOME, or Gwenview, the KDE one :P
[00:18] <Soupermanito> you see, i like irfan for 3 reason, 1 you can view images on almost all formats there are out there, 2 you can easily edit, crop/rezise/change color depth/change image quality/save on another format, and 3 you can do all this on batch
[00:19] <MK``> yeah, I have been considering stuff like paint.net and notepad++ via wine
[00:19] <MK``> on windows I always use irfanview for batch
[00:23] <Soupermanito> yes, and ristretto is such a failure on all those aspects, you cant even rotate images, you cant change the format, you cant even make it start on 100% if the image is too big it will rezise it, it wont remember the last position you use for the window, etc, etc
[00:25] <Soupermanito> so then i tried binding the "open whit" option to  >wine '/home/me/.wine/drive_c/Program files/Irfanview/i_view32.exe'
[00:25] <Soupermanito> but it only open a new instance of irfan
[00:27] <drc> Soupermanito: Try adding that command to the image (type) in the Open With> Use a Custom Command.
[00:28] <drc> Never Mind..I was fooled by "open whit" :)
[00:29] <drc> Dinner time
[00:29] <Soupermanito_> oh that was fun
[00:46] <ryan-c> my global shortcut keys don't work in xfce after upgrading to 11.04 from 9.10 (clean install, kept /home)
[00:46] <Soupermanito> rebind them
[00:47] <ryan-c> That doesn't seem to help.
[00:51] <ryan-c> neither does reset to defaults
[00:52] <Soupermanito> mmm weird
[00:53] <ryan-c> I *can* set shortcuts
[01:10] <ryan-c> no ideas? :-(
[01:27] <Soupermanito> ryan-c: im not sure if this will help you, or if its safe to do, but gksudo xfce4-settings-manager             and try again
[01:28] <ryan-c> nope
[01:36] <ryan-c> there are several people posting about this online
[01:36] <ryan-c> no solutions listed
[01:40] <Unit193> Rename your .config dir
[01:40]  * ryan-c cringes
[01:41] <Unit193> ryan-c: You should be able to put it back if it doesn't work
[01:43] <ryan-c> brb
[01:46] <ryan-c> Unit193: moving the keyboard shortcuts xml file and restarting xfce works
[01:47] <Unit193> ryan-c: Glad that helped. You moved everything else back?
[01:47] <ryan-c> no
[01:47] <ryan-c> i only moved that file
[03:10] <iggyology> I just started using xubuntu.  I tried putting Firefox in the launch bar thing and now it only works through the terminal...
[03:11] <iggyology> Can anyone help me get the icon to open the firefox program without using the terminal?
[03:16] <bklive> iggyology, the icon will have a "open in terminal" checkbox
[03:21] <IdleOne> so what you want to do is uncheck that box
[03:24] <iggyology> sorry, i went to ubuntu... i have to check the terminal block to get firefox to even open at all
[03:26] <iggyology> I did an update, do you think the updates messed something up? I know that Unity is buggy and I saw that it was one of the updates.
[03:29] <iggyology> I put a Thunderbird icon in the launch bar and it's doing the same thing... only opens with a terminal window! What the heck is going on?
[03:30] <Josesordo> hello all
[03:30] <Unit193> I don't think you are adding them correctly
[03:32] <Unit193> Adding a launcher?
[03:36] <iggyology> Yes I added a launcher
[03:36] <iggyology> I don't think I added them correctly either
[03:38] <iggyology> I just deleted them... I'll have to use the applications menu
[03:38] <iggyology> I wanted it to be like the windows quicklaunch bar
[03:39] <iggyology> oh great, now the applications menu icon isn't working either!
[03:40] <Unit193> Firefox?
[03:40] <iggyology> firefox and thunderbird both are dead
[03:42] <iggyology> I had the same problem with ubuntu and Unity with the globalthing
[03:44] <iggyology> how can I roll back an update! I think that's what fudged me
[03:45] <Unit193> You would have to find what you updated and remove it? (cat /var/log/dpkg.log)
[03:46] <iggyology> oh great, there isn't an easier way?
[03:47] <iggyology> So what do i do with all that command line crap?
[03:49] <Unit193> You might be better off if someone else helps...
[03:49] <iggyology> ok, thanks for being honest
[03:49] <bklive> iggyology, okay apparently you're having a problem opening firefox yes?
[03:49] <bklive> but when you run it from the terminal it DOES open?
[03:50] <Unit193> Sound like .desktop file is messed up?
[03:50] <bklive> that, or you could have set up your link incorrectly. the "command" should be "firefox". yes?
[03:51] <iggyology> it does open from the terminal, the command isn't just "firefox"
[03:52] <bklive> if you put firefox in the command field of the link you put that will work
[03:54] <iggyology> ughhh.. .this linux stuff is too damn much... takes too damn much time to screw with
[03:54] <iggyology> no it didn't work
[03:55] <iggyology> it's the damn unity update
[03:55] <Unit193> How did you get Unity in Xubuntu?
[03:55] <iggyology> damn piece of crap that ubuntu put out as refined when it should have been called beta imo
[03:55] <iggyology> I was retarted and let it update
[03:55]  * Unit193 still hasn't touched it
[03:56] <iggyology> as soon as the update was done my system was fu**ed
[03:56] <iggyology> I don't want to have to go to college for this crap...
[03:57] <iggyology> I just want to escape windows
[03:57]  * kuakkganni thinks if this is confusing iggyology, he doesn't want to see him take calculus, differential equations or molecular biology
[03:58] <Unit193> **might not be the best idea!! sudo apt-get purge unity
[03:58] <iggyology> I'm taking calculus
[03:58] <iggyology> I have a great life... that's why I don't have time for this sh**
[03:59] <Liv-> whoa... I was gonna ask opinions about the new version hehe
[03:59] <Liv-> is it that bad?
[03:59] <iggyology> run away liv
[03:59] <kuakkganni> How did  you get Unity in an Xubuntu upgrade?
[03:59] <iggyology> yes
[03:59] <Unit193> Unity is halfbaked(?)
[03:59] <iggyology> I have no freakin clue why Unity popped up in an xubuntu upgrade
[04:00] <iggyology> that's the mystery here to me too
[04:00] <Unit193> Liv-: Xubuntu 11.04 seems nice to me
[04:00] <iggyology> All I know is that the 2 programs I use the most are now doa
[04:01] <iggyology> thanks to some teams bright idea to put out a the global#$@ thing
[04:01] <Liv-> I've been watching some videos and it looks good
[04:01] <iggyology> it's the way the global$#@# thing works
[04:01] <iggyology> I've had 4 very experience people tell me to avoid it like the plague
[04:01] <Liv-> you're really mad :/
[04:01] <kuakkganni> iggyology: What <are> you talking about?
[04:01] <iggyology> Now I have the plague
[04:02] <kuakkganni> Bring out your dead
[04:02] <iggyology> I'm talking about some new thing that canonical released with their new natty desktop
[04:02] <Unit193> kuakkganni: I'm not dead yet! I feel like going for a walk!
[04:02] <iggyology> it's buggy and they know it
[04:02] <iggyology> I feel haaapppyyyyyy
[04:02] <iggyology> not
[04:03] <kuakkganni> iggyology: there is <no> unity in Xubuntu, do you have both ubuntu and xubuntu installed?
[04:03] <iggyology> Nope, I installed xubuntu on a flash drive with a usb installer that was linked from the ubuntu website
[04:04] <iggyology> everything was great until I touched it
[04:04] <iggyology> it shits on noobs
[04:04] <kuakkganni> iggyology: language!
[04:04] <iggyology> sorry
[04:05] <iggyology> I'm just mad because I've been messing with this stuff all day...
[04:05] <iggyology> alllllllllll daaayyyyyyyy
[04:05] <kuakkganni> iggyology: Settle down and treat his like a problem to be solved.  What was your starting state, what did you do and what was the result?
[04:06] <iggyology> I started by pulling Firefox and Thunderbird out of the applications menu and putting them on the desktop
[04:06] <iggyology> that was fine
[04:06] <iggyology> then I tried putting them in the launch bar
[04:07] <iggyology> sure they went... visually, but not in actuality
[04:07] <iggyology> as soon as I canned the desktop icons...
[04:07] <iggyology> oh ... sorry... no more ability to use those 2 programs... too bad!
[04:08] <kuakkganni> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[04:08] <iggyology> Windows quicklaunch doesn't give me these problems. And if the icon is broken I know where to go in the progams folder to point the shortcut in the right direction
[04:08] <iggyology> I'm using the latest xubuntu
[04:08] <kuakkganni> And what is the latest?
[04:09] <iggyology> oh heck.. where do I find that?
[04:09] <iggyology> 11.4 maybe, I don't know
[04:09] <iggyology> I got it off the website today
[04:09] <Unit193> lsb_release -a
[04:10] <iggyology> and honestly if Linux never goes mainstream, this is why... people don't have time for this crap
[04:11] <iggyology> ignore my emotions.. and realize that it's true
[04:11] <kuakkganni> then go back to windows
[04:11] <iggyology> no kidding
[04:11] <iggyology> I'm going to have to
[04:11] <iggyology> but it's sad because the concept of Linux is right
[04:11] <iggyology> it's just the practise that is flawed
[04:11] <Unit193> I didn't have issues like you did... I don't know
[04:12] <kuakkganni> you still haven't told us whay version....
[04:12] <iggyology> there's like a friggin million Linux things... ubuntu xubuntu fedora....
[04:12] <iggyology> I don't know where to see my version......
[04:12] <kuakkganni> iggyology: If you want to rant, go some where else to do it, if you want help answer our questions
[04:12] <kuakkganni> As was said earlier   lsb_release -a in a terminal
[04:13] <iggyology> I'm just mad because it's like the blind leading the blind all damn day
[04:13] <iggyology> sorry
[04:14] <iggyology> I think I'm going to have to find a Linux group that I can physically meet with
[04:14] <iggyology> if I'm going to even do this
[04:14] <kuakkganni> OK, if you don't have time to help us help you, neither do I. Enjoy your rants.
[04:15] <iggyology> Look.  I don't want to hear you cry
[04:15] <Unit193> iggyology: At first it would be best to dual boot
[04:15] <Unit193> ...or not...
[04:16]  * kuakkganni would actually like to be a fly on the wall <if> he ever actually went to a linux group meeting
[04:17] <kuakkganni> he == iggyology
[04:23] <Souperman> oh but some lugs are fun
[04:23] <kuakkganni> Of course, but with that attitude, in person, they'd probably eat him alive :)
[04:26] <kuakkganni> Speaking of eating....
[04:30] <Josesordo> I installed compiz in xubuntu 11.04.. but seems like dont work =(
[04:30] <Souperman> so in a string when i want that something takes a variable, it being the filepath to a file, witch is that variable? $a?
[04:31] <Souperman> Josesordo, do you have updated video drivers? do you have composition enabled? do you installed ccsm?
[04:31] <Unit193> Isn't $f (or %f)? (f = file)
[04:31] <Souperman> checking
[04:33] <xubuntu030-Chris> Hi!
[04:34] <Unit193> Howdy xubuntu030-Chris
[04:34] <Souperman> none of those both work :(
[04:34] <Unit193> Hello jgould
[04:35] <Souperman> i want to gave it as a variable on the open with string, it being like >wine '/path/to/exe.exe' %?
[04:35] <xubuntu030-Chris> installing xubuntu.. deleted Win7 (15G hog!) Ubuntu - 2G
[04:35] <Souperman> :D
[04:35] <xubuntu030-Chris> browsing the web while installing... kooky :)
[04:35] <Unit193> xubuntu030-Chris: Are you sure you didn't want to dual boot at first?
[04:35] <xubuntu030-Chris> No room to.
[04:36] <xubuntu030-Chris> 15G netbook flash drive...
[04:36] <Unit193> Welcome to Xubuntu!
[04:36] <xubuntu030-Chris> Thanks!
[04:36] <Souperman> :D
[04:36] <Souperman> congrats
[04:36] <xubuntu030-Chris> Will the window manage be the dark theme I saw in screenshots or is that an option?
[04:37] <Josesordo> Souperman, mm.. I updated video drivers.. and this what I did atm --> http://bit.ly/mnk2Hm
[04:37] <Unit193> xubuntu030-Chris: You can also have in #xubuntu-offtopic if you would like
[04:37] <Unit193> xubuntu030-Chris: You should have that option
[04:38] <xubuntu030-Chris> Sorry this was the default channel the installer dropped me into.
[04:39] <Unit193> xubuntu030-Chris: Don't be sorry, just saying you can also go there if you wish
[04:40] <xubuntu030-Chris> Ah, thanks again.
[04:45] <shergill_> <<-- linux noob :hey guys
[04:45] <shergill_> how u doin
[04:45] <Unit193> Howdy shergill_
[04:45] <shergill_> just installed xubuntu..10.4
[04:46] <shergill_> i need some help..
[04:46] <shergill_> cant see my other drives..
[04:46] <Unit193> !ask
[04:47] <shergill_> i can only see my system drive..in windows i had c d e f..xubuntu is installed on f..and i can only see f here..
[04:47] <shergill_> what to do?
[04:48] <Unit193> I think Gigolo might have them Menu > System > Gigolo
[04:48] <Unit193> Or in terminal: sudo fdisk -l
[04:48] <shergill_> u rock man..i found it in gigolo
[04:48] <Souperman> Josesordo, you enabled the composition from the xfce4-settings-manager?
[04:48] <shergill_> funny name gigolo..
[04:49] <shergill_> hahahaha
[04:49] <Unit193> shergill_: Glad I'm of some use!
[04:49] <shergill_> can i somehow put in on desktop?
[04:50] <Josesordo> Souperman, well, how I do that?.. and no, I did not
[04:51] <Souperman> go to configuration and choose configuration manager, or simply run >xfce4-settings-manager on a console
[04:52] <Souperman> then on windows manager settings go to the last tab thats >compositor and enable it
[04:52] <shergill_> @unit193 thanks mate how can i mount these drives which i found in gigolo?
[04:53] <Unit193> shergill_: You can't double click them?
[04:54] <shergill_> i can but i had like them in "places " or my desktop..i dont feel like starting gigolo everytime..is it possible?
[04:54] <Unit193> !fstab
[04:54] <Unit193> I think that might do it...
[04:55] <Unit193> They mount at ~/.gvfs/
[04:55] <shergill_> ok thanks lemme take a look at it..
[04:55] <Josesordo> Souperman, Windows manager tweaks --> Compositor is enable.. I need to disable to compiz can work?
[04:56] <Souperman> no
[04:56] <Souperman> you need it enabled
[04:56] <Souperman> if it is then you have compiz, now whit ccsm you can enable more fancy stuff
[04:59] <Josesordo> Soupermanito, well I have effects ON .. even the desktop cube..and nothing yet =( ..
[05:03] <Soupermanito> :(
[05:14] <Josesordo> Soupermanito, mm.. I got it.. I needed to enable "Indirect Rendering"
[05:15] <Josesordo> Soupermanito, and Enable "Compiz" in Windows Manager.. but my theme get broken..windows border dissapear.. =(
[05:16] <Soupermanito> yes, that happened to other people, i can't help you there, there is some solution, other people her knows, they might not be here rigth now
[05:16] <Soupermanito> here^
[05:17] <Josesordo> ah ok.. thanks a lot =)
[05:21] <Soupermanito> not a problem. sorry for not being of more help
[06:11] <new_kid1> How to get the terminal in Ubuntu Minimal Install ???
[06:11] <new_kid1> Is there a separate channel for Ubuntu Minimal insatall ??
[06:12] <Unit193> You can ask in #ubuntu
[06:13] <new_kid1> Unit193: Nobody answered
[06:13] <Unit193> Did you read !mini?
[06:13] <new_kid1> Unit193: Yes
[06:14] <new_kid1> Unit193: All I want to do is configure  pppoe
[06:14] <new_kid1> Unit193:So that I can download the packages for installation
[06:15] <Unit193> new_kid1: Can't you drop into Aptitude?
[06:16] <new_kid1> Unit193: All the installtion does is dectecs DHCP settings &  give the package installation window
[06:16] <new_kid1> Unit193: I need a working DSL connection first
[06:17] <Unit193> new_kid1: I can't help you there...
[06:17] <new_kid1> Unit193: Okay
[06:48] <mikubuntu> anybody know an android help channel name?
[06:51] <Unit193> mikubuntu: type /msg alis help
[06:53] <mikubuntu> Unit193, hmmmm
[06:55] <mikubuntu> Unit193: guess there is none, says returning max of 60 channel names matching android, but there is no return output
[06:55] <mikubuntu> but, thx anyways
[06:58] <Unit193> mikubuntu: /msg alis list * -topic *android*help*
[06:58] <Unit193> mikubuntu: That will give it to you
[07:01] <mikubuntu> thx Unit193
[07:03] <Unit193> I'm here to help! (I guess with Andriod too ;) )
[07:11] <mikubuntu> Unit193: kool, if you can take a question on android -- for awhile now various sharing apps not working on my lg optimus 'm' (for metropcs) -- can't send pix from phone to email or fb or other sites -- neither ymail nor gmail seem to work
[07:12] <Unit193> You may want to ask in one of the Android help/support channels...
[07:13] <mikubuntu> k, think i found one at #alldroid
[11:25] <mikeea> bedtime for me, later all>
[11:42] <xharx> can i  use ubuntu one under xubuntu?
[11:45] <ochosi> xharx: afaik yes
[11:54] <xharx> i installed it and cant start it, do you know how?
[12:49] <MK``> xharx: you need to select it at the login screen
[12:49] <MK``> When you enter your username a menu appears at the bottom of the screen to select which desktop to use
[12:49] <MK``> er
[12:49] <MK``> Ubuntu one?
[12:49] <MK``> buh, nevermind, misread
[12:49] <MK``> haven't had a lot of sleep X)
[12:49] <MK``> is it not in the menu xharx?
[12:51] <bazhang_> xharx, try #ubuntuone
[14:59] <b26> well ARandR didn't save the dual monitor configuration for boot this time around
[14:59] <b26> got stuck with the dual monitors mirroring instead of being extended.. any ideas?
[15:00] <Sysi> xrandr script, i think arandr can generate it
[15:05] <b26> Sysi: how can i do that?
[15:05] <b26> also, where does it get stored
[15:07] <Sysi> i don't use arandr, iirc there's some button
[15:07] <b26> iirc?
[15:07] <Sysi> if i remember/recall correctly
[15:17] <b26> i don't have the preferences menu either
[15:17] <b26> this shit is starting to be really annoying
[15:18] <Sysi> what do you mean by preferences menu?
[15:18] <b26> i found: Go to System >> Preferences >> Startup Applications
[15:18] <b26> and you can put the saved layout to boot up
[15:18] <b26> except don't have Preferences under system
[15:19] <Sysi> it shouldn't be under system
[15:20] <b26> where would it be then?
[15:20] <Sysi> menu → settings/preferences → sessions and startup → autostart-tab
[15:22] <b26> negative
[15:24] <Sysi> maybe menu → settings → settings
[15:24] <drc> Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Sessions and Startup
[15:24] <b26> yeah its under settings manager
[15:24] <b26> why so many menus
[15:24] <b26> heh
[15:24] <b26> jesus
[15:24] <Sysi> still completely logical
[15:25] <drc> b26: Menus are what GNOME3/Unity is trying to get away from :)
[15:26] <b26> yeah i don't like it either
[15:26] <b26> installed 11.04, tried unity for 5mins and going back to gnome
[15:26] <drc> Some of us are more comfortable with menus, which is why xfce is getting much more attention these days.
[15:27] <b26> yeah, i like my menus
[15:27] <Sysi> i don't like menus, i still use xfce
[15:28] <Sysi> unity isn't that bad, but kde-netbook is similar and better
[15:30] <b26> i just don't like the look and the drastic change unity is
[15:30] <drc> Sysi: I am holding my judgement on GNOME3/Unity for the next release...it's not mature enough yet for a true evaluation, hence my using Xubuntu.
[15:30] <b26> i feel like im using an ipad
[15:31] <drc> b26: MarkS will be happy, I've read that that is exactly what they were going for.
[15:32] <drc> Speaking of releases, why does xfce release in even numbers only (4.4, 4.6, 4.8, 4.10) ?
[15:35] <nbettenh> Is there a way to enable scrolling in vim?
[15:37] <nbettenh> I've been reading about a patch that enabled alt window scroll, but it looks like it was removed from the current version of xfce4-terminal due to a glitch in the preferences window
[15:42] <Sysi> drc: even number versions are stable, others devel versions (i need to ask if they're changing it for 4.10)
[15:43] <Sysi> b26: but isn't ipad nice to use? :P
[15:44] <drc> Sysi: According to their roadmap they are, nect spring, with gtk3
[15:45]  * drc is pretending he's on Win95...reboot :)
[15:51] <b26> i like the ipad, and its design for the ipad
[15:51] <b26> i don't like using my computer like an ipad
[16:03] <drc> Here's a question:  Assume I have Ubuntu 10.10 and Xubuntu 10.10 installed (not dual boot, just install the -desktop of the second distro), I boot into Xubuntu, and upgrade to 11.04.  Does ubuntu get upgraded to 11.04?
[16:03] <Sysi> of course
[16:04] <drc> I <thought> so, was just wondering.
[16:13] <b26> anyone have trouble launching Thunar from Docky?
[16:25] <xharx> thx
[18:55] <BigPalabra> hi
[18:56] <Soupermanito> sup
[18:58] <likemindead> Possibly the best meteor shower of 2011 tonight! >> http://www.spacedex.com/eta-aquarids/
[18:58] <likemindead> Derr... sorry, wrong window. :-\
[19:20] <Dezine> The icons on the bottom launcher used to be centered and now they're not how do I get it back?
[19:21] <Dezine> nevermind figured it out
[19:21] <Dezine> Must have told the spacer now to auto expand
[19:21] <Dezine> not*
[19:23] <vabigoon> hi is there any good wine howto, for newbie in the web?
[19:24] <likemindead> !wine
[19:25] <Dezine> vabigoon, you can try the Wine wiki too http://wiki.winehq.org/
[19:25] <vabigoon> thank you :D I'll try to play Diablo 2 now >:D
[19:37] <likemindead> Terminal command for checking system temps?
[19:41] <Sysi> 'sensors'
[19:41] <Sysi> might require installing and configuring lm-sensors
[19:41] <likemindead> Thanks!
[19:42] <Sysi> (install, run sensors-detectct, ansver yes to everything and reboot)
[19:42] <likemindead> Is acpi helpful?
[19:43] <Sysi> you might have something under /proc/acpi/ but you want lm-sensors
[19:43] <likemindead> Roger.
[20:03] <b26> anyone know how to move Docky from 1 monitor to the next? I tried clicking on it and dragging, but no luck
[20:04] <b26> nothing is present in the settings about placement besides vertical or horizontal
[20:07] <[micro]> gonna install it on the netbook, lets see how it works
[20:08] <Sysi> b26: do you happen to have menu in docky?
[20:12] <Sysi> b26: i'm wondering if it works with xfce, gnome-docks fail with menu
[20:13] <Soupermanito> i have a question, you see, when i plug in a pendrive and copy paste files into it, they instantaneously appear as copied, whit no "Copying" window, then i dont know when the copying ended :(
[20:15] <Sysi> they're copied too fast
[20:15] <Sysi> you should get window if you copy larger files
[20:17] <Soupermanito> but they're not copied, if i try to umount the pendrive it says "bussy"
[20:21] <Sysi> sticks are slow, little buffering time
[20:21] <Sysi> you don't have flashing light in yours?
[20:25] <b26> its the docky from https://launchpad.net/docky
[20:26] <b26> it worked fine yesterday, but since i hooked up my 2nd monitor when i got back into work before booting it ended up over there
[20:27] <b26> if that's the case, is there a better dock app for use with xubuntu?
[20:36] <erika_> when I insert an usb stick with an iso9660 filesystem the drive gets opened infinitely often
[20:36] <erika_> I can only stop the process by pulling out the usb stick
[20:36] <erika_> and then I have to close 1000 windows
[20:43] <Soupermanito> :/
[20:44] <Soupermanito> yeah i just wants a >Copying windows
[20:54] <b26> gonna give avant a shot
[21:05] <linux_novice_> Hello, could anybody spare some time to discuss installing Xubuntu on Virtualbox, in a Windows host. I've come across an issue after the installer finishes and Xubuntu tries to restart. The desktop disappears but hangs at what looks like a terminal screen with the following text. http://tinypaste.com/4d70b1
[21:06] <linux_novice_> Is that normal? Is it OK to hard reset the VM?
[21:06] <knome> linux_novice_, i'd suggest that first yeah
[21:07] <b26> you did a shutdown -h
[21:07] <b26> instead of a shutdown -r now
[21:07] <linux_novice_> I restarted from the desktop (XFCE), cause it said it needed to restart after installing.
[21:08] <linux_novice_> I was wondering if doing a reset would harm the installation of if that was OK.
[21:08] <b26>    -h     Requests  that  the system be either halted or powered off after
[21:08] <b26>               it has been brought down, with the choice as to which left up to
[21:08] <b26>               the system.
[21:08] <b26>        -H     Requests  that  the  system  be halted after it has been brought
[21:08] <b26>               down.
[21:09] <b26> that's taken from man shutdown
[21:09] <b26> 'man shutdown'
[21:09] <b26> which is the manual regarding the shutdwon command
[21:12] <linux_novice_> I haven't made myself clear, I restarted from the GUI, cause there was a notification saying that the OS needed to restart to complete the installation. I didn't issue a text/terminal command. The XFCE desktop disappears but the VM doesn't restart, just gets stuck with the message I posted above.
[21:13] <ryan-c> does mousepad segfault for anyone else on natty?
[21:15] <knome> b26, please use !pastebin for multiline pastes
[21:18] <AdmiralVorian> hey everyone, I'm trying to force-install an i386 package on natty 64 bit, i try ignore-depends but I still get a list of dependency issues and "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured "