[04:36] <MartijnVdS> The 240G Crucial SSD is coming up again in the Black Friday Deals on Amazon, if anyone is interested (in not-quite-12 hours)
[04:36] <antichatter> Hello
[04:37] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: what you doing being awake at 05:35(EU Time? - it's 04:35 here)
[04:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: woke up half an hour before my alarm :)
[04:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: decided going back to sleep wasn't going to be useful
[04:41] <diddledan> lol, I've done that far too often (the going back to sleep bit)
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> morning, MooDoo
[07:22] <MooDoo> seems we're the only ones up again lo
[07:22] <MooDoo> l
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: maybe diddledan is still awake :)
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: he was at 4:30 (your timezone)
[07:26] <MooDoo> wow that's early
[07:39] <diddledan> yeah, I'm still here
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: are you a robot? ;)
[07:39] <diddledan> maybe
[07:39] <diddledan> I'll crash in a few hours
[07:40] <MooDoo> diddledan: how come up so earlt?
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[07:40] <MooDoo> morning :)
[07:40] <diddledan> MooDoo: it's late - I haven't slept yet :-p
[07:40] <MooDoo> ah....
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: young children? or on-call? :)
[07:41] <diddledan> fiddling
[07:42] <diddledan> I been hunting down a backend-as-a-service
[07:42] <diddledan> I found https://apigee.com which looks promising
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that website looks overly vague to me. What can it do?
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> Sure it can "scale like an enterprise", but WHAT can it scale?
[07:48] <diddledan> it provides data storage and query facilities primarily
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> so like AWS?
[07:49] <diddledan> the available apis are listed under "build apps" here: http://apigee.com/docs/content/build-apps-home
[07:50] <diddledan> higher up the stack than aws
[07:50] <diddledan> aws are IaaS whereas this is more PaaS
[07:51] <diddledan> the idea is that you don't need to code any backend software yourself to support your "app"
[07:52] <diddledan> I've been hunting one that doesn't just do MBaaS (Mobile Backend as a Service) but is more generalised so I can use it in a webapp
[08:01] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:11] <MooDoo> morning
[08:32] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:33] <brobostigon> ok, on a dual core x86 machine, would it be best to use an smp kernel, or a pae one ?
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: don't PAE ones include SMP anyway? Also.. 32-bit, are you sure?
[08:48] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good point, yes. how do i find out?
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: what kind of CPU is it?
[08:51] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: lshw just says, its a dualcpu, intel cpu of 32 bits width.
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: and /proc/cpuinfo ?
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: does it have a "MOdel name"?
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> Mine says this, for example:
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4500U CPU @ 1.80GHz
[08:53] <brobostigon> genuine intel(r) cpu   t2300 @ 1.66ghz
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "Core Duo", 32-bit only :(
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I'd go for SMP, if you have >3GB RAM, PAE might be better though
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> wait.. non-PAE has been dropped.. so SMP should also have PAE
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> so SMP it is :)
[08:54] <diplo> Morning all
[08:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, that it is then, :)
[09:15] <dwatkins> allo
[09:16] <MooDoo> hello dwatkins how are you
[09:20] <mungbean> just tried spending a genuine £50 note. looked very guilty in the process
[09:21] <dwatkins> good thanks, a bit late for work, though - I'm supposed to start closer to 8am than this
[09:21] <dwatkins> I trust everyone else is well
[09:28] <mungbean> had to bring my shaver to work and i didn't finish shaving in time
[09:28] <mungbean> have half a beard atm
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Pins and Needles Day! :-D
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: what kind of day is *that*?
[09:35] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, bit of an odd one.  Something to do with a play in the '30s.
[09:35] <DJones> Sounds sharp and stabby
[09:35] <mungbean> docs.google.com is crashing chrome tab every time :S
[09:35] <JamesTait> It would also have been the birthday of Bruce Lee and Jimi Hendrix.
[09:37] <DJones> I'd rather go with happy 'payroll day' even though it does mean more work for me
[09:37] <MooDoo> JamesTait: sorry can't see too much purple haze
[09:37] <DJones> And I get one every month
[09:39] <mungbean> my friend updated his iphone and now the rotation is locked permanaetly to portrait - any ideas?
[09:39] <mungbean> thought i'd ask my favourite bunch of clever people
[09:40] <MooDoo> Double-click the Home button to show the recent apps bar. Flick to the far left and tap the portrait lock control at the left of the iPod controls.
[09:40] <shauno> if he's new to ios7, there's a whole panel that pops up if you slide in from the bottom of the screen.  rotation lock is on there (last icon on the top row)
[09:40] <mungbean> http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/972915
[09:40] <mungbean> thanks chaps
[09:40] <mungbean> i am blissfully ignorant of apple device
[09:41] <MooDoo> I googled it ;)
[09:41] <mungbean> didn't even knwo the ios version
[09:41] <mungbean> i was fixing his mums pc at the time and couldn't google :S
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: is it round and 3D or flat?
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ifi t's flat it's 7
[09:41] <shauno> if he's complaining it's too white, it's 7.  if he's complaining it hasn't changed in 5 years, it's not ;)
[09:42] <popey> Morning Ratfans
[09:42] <mungbean> i don't recall anything about ti
[09:42] <MooDoo> ello eroll
[09:42] <JamesTait> MooDoo, today I shall mostly be listening to http://www.7digital.com/artist/jimi-hendrix/release/fire-the-jimi-hendrix-collection
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> \o popeyman
[09:42] <SuperMatt> morning Popeotron
[09:42] <mungbean> but i was able to swipe down, but the conrtol contre is nothing near as useful as android
[09:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone want a cheap(ish) desktop?: http://www.ebuyer.com/daily-deals
[09:51] <MooDoo> not too shabby that
[09:51] <diplo> Blimey, not bad price.. don't know about the processor ?
[09:51] <mungbean> freedos \o/
[09:52] <mungbean> i get nervous of amd graphics cards
[09:55] <popey> yeah, i avoid them
[09:55] <mungbean> i don't even bother with the nvidia blob nowadays, nouveau is good enough
[09:55] <diplo> OK for windows, parents need a cheap new pc
[09:55] <diplo> :)
[09:55] <mungbean> i wanted to ask about chromebooks photo editing
[09:56] <mungbean> does anyone know about it?
[09:56] <mungbean> WHAT IS THE APP ETC/
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> I have a chromebook
[09:56] <mungbean> woops
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> any app you can get for it should also be available in the "Chrome Web Store" in "normal" chrome
[09:56] <mungbean> most PC users i know use the internet and picasa
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> well Picasa is G+ now, so they can continue to use that
[09:58] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kitsound-Bluetooth-Wireless-Portable-Speaker/dp/B00CTN8FOY/
[09:58] <popey> that looks quite nice
[09:58] <popey> will be lightning deal in 2 mins
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: honeycomb :)
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> somehow, I doubt the specs: Product Dimensions: 0.1 x 0.1 x 0.1 cm ; 100 g
[09:59] <popey> heh
[09:59] <popey> i bought a cheapo one from tesco via ebay, sophie stole it for her phone
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> I've heard a Logitech BT speaker, similar to this. It sounded amazing for its szie
[09:59] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: picasa is g+? does the standalone client still work?
[09:59] <popey> they stopped supporting it on linux iirc
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: the Picasa website is now G+
[10:00] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ah ok
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: the app works, but not on chromebooks (which doesn't really "do" native apps)
[10:00] <MooDoo> I wish there was a decent sync for g+ so I could sync all my photos to it, ftp or rsync or something
[10:01] <mungbean> so how do i edit photos and view them? all via g+
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: well, you go to the photo, then click "Edit" ?
[10:01] <MooDoo> just go to photos
[10:02] <MooDoo> what MartijnVdS saidf
[10:02] <mungbean> i appaer to have downloaded a picasa web app
[10:03] <MooDoo> mungbean: youshouldn't need to do that, as you should be able to do it all from your browser
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: was it "by Google" or some scammy third party?
[10:03] <mungbean> the photo editor couldn't be loaded
[10:03] <mungbean> not sure how to tell
[10:03] <mungbean> there are 2.1m users though...
[10:04] <mungbean> and realted apps by the developer are gmail etc
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ah, some of those are just links to the web site
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> most*
[10:04] <popey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:05] <MartijnVdS> sounds legit
[10:10] <mungbean> tbh i don't understand the chromebook appeal
[10:11] <mungbean> you aren't getting much for your money
[10:13] <MooDoo> I'd like one just for speed, surfing email youtube, fast simple nothing to worry about
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> I have a cheap chromebook, everything is on the web for me
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> it can even do ssh 8-)
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> so a few ssh sessions + gmail -> chromebook works fine
[10:15] <MooDoo> friend has one for sale, £120 samsung tempted.
[10:16] <mungbean> does it have a terminal ?
[10:16] <mungbean> i guess it's a third device, laptop, tablet and chromebook
[10:16] <mungbean> but excessive for my needs
[10:16] <mungbean> since i already have a laptop
[10:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:17] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: there's an ssh client, the local terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) is *very* limited
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I use https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo
[10:17] <MooDoo> it would be handy for my kids to get them on my wifes IPad :)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ^ that works in *any* Chrome I guess
[10:20] <mungbean> MooDoo: off the wifes ipad ?
[10:21] <MooDoo> mungbean: yes sorry lol
[10:23] <popey> my wife teaches at a school, a surprising number of the kids have chromebooks at home
[10:23] <popey> i think my mum would be fine with a chromebook
[10:23] <MooDoo> tempted to get my kids one to be honest....
[10:24] <popey> except for the rapid release cycle which means the UI keeps changing
[10:24] <schwuk> popey: I'm a big fan of them for what they are - disposable coffee shop/travel/conference laptops. :-)
[10:24] <popey> ☻
[10:24] <mungbean> what about uploading digital photos with a chromebook?
[10:25] <MooDoo> upload them like you would, any way, usb from camera to chromebook, upload to the cloud
[10:26] <mungbean> so there is some local storage
[10:26] <MooDoo> little bit
[10:26] <mungbean> but uploading 400M of photos will take forever and a day
[10:26] <mungbean> to the internet
[10:26] <popey> it'll take ages on any computer
[10:26] <mungbean> its not required on other computer
[10:26] <mungbean> originals locally and smaller ones on flickr
[10:26] <popey> *shrug*
[10:26] <popey> I like having backups
[10:27] <popey> it *is* required to copy photos somewhere else on any other computer, its just that people are dumb and don't backup
[10:27] <mungbean> or do it in batches
[10:27] <schwuk> mungbean: this is why Google+/Dropbox/Flickr do auto-backup on phones, but if you're using a standalone camera you'll still have to upload
[10:27] <mungbean> i'm asking the questions for mumbuntu type users
[10:29] <mungbean> ah, screens are too small anyway
[10:29] <schwuk> mungbean: I've gone overboard - originals locally (and backed up) + originals backed up to Dropbox + auto backup to G+. I'm rarely at the computer when I want the pictures, and I've been burnt by lack of backups before!
[10:29] <mungbean> i backup to amazon glacier in batches
[10:29] <schwuk> mungbean: too small or too low res - you can get 14" Chromebooks
[10:29] <popey> i autobackup to G+ & Dropbox
[10:29] <mungbean> i have a real camera
[10:30] <popey> then when I power on my desktop (1TB drive containing photo masters) I import photos from dropbox to shotwell
[10:30] <mungbean> i mean canon EOS
[10:30] <popey> as do I
[10:30] <popey> drag photos from card to dropbox, leave it alone
[10:30] <popey> take card out, go photographing again
[10:30] <mungbean> dropbox on chromebook?
[10:30] <popey> i dont have a chromebook
[10:31] <popey> just pointing out that not having a chromebook doesn't mean you automatically dont use the cloud
[10:31] <popey> well, I don't
[10:31] <mungbean> sure, but you need a local buffer of sorts
[10:32] <mungbean> as long as chromebook has enough space for that maybe its ok
[10:32] <Myrtti> schwuk: which flickr app on your phone / which phone do you have that that autouploads to flickr?
[10:32] <schwuk> mungbean: personally, a chromebook is a companion device - like I said coffee shops/travel/conferences. It's no replacement for a desktop or high-end laptop, but very few people need those.
[10:33] <mungbean> agree
[10:33] <mungbean> but would be a nice mumbuntu replacement if it ticks the boxes
[10:33] <mungbean> just as a had to clean malware off a pc last night
[10:33] <mungbean> and synaptics touchpad wasn't working
[10:33] <mungbean> etc etc
[10:33] <mungbean> and a million apps at startup hassling you
[10:34] <popey> \o/ windows
[10:35] <schwuk> Myrtti: I thought the official app had added that - I guess not. I don't use Flickr heavily.
[10:36] <Myrtti> atleast on Android it's not smart enough for that
[10:41] <popey> Myrtti: backed that foldio too ☻
[10:43] <mungbean> how can i check a nagios definition on the command line?
[10:43] <mungbean> e.g a check_http check
[10:59] <schwuk> mungbean: you mean run the check manually?
[11:03] <mungbean> schwuk: got in now thanks
[11:04] <mungbean> check_http on CLI works, but there's a prob with my service config
[11:04] <mungbean> always showing as up
[11:15] <SuperMatt> gosh, I'm sorta salivating over openstack
[11:16] <penguin42> what you planning on doing with it?
[11:17] <SuperMatt> EVERYTHING
[11:17] <penguin42> oh that's ok then
[11:18] <SuperMatt> naw, the company as a whole currently has everything with a lot of different providers, and so the idea is to bring it all together using openstack and maybe rackspace
[11:18] <SuperMatt> this is all planning though
[11:18] <mungbean> look at cloudstack too
[11:18] <mungbean> seems more mature, fully formed
[11:19] <SuperMatt> oh, and apache project
[11:20] <mungbean> is now
[11:20] <mungbean> got handed over , was a commerical one
[11:21] <mungbean> i just read a dailymail article. i hate myself now
[11:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:22] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[11:23] <BigRedS> mungbean: my only exposure to Cloudstack is a free T-shirt from them at Fosdem. Do people actually use it?
[11:23] <SuperMatt> mungbean: I think it's the rackspace integration that makes openstack the frontrunner right now
[11:26] <SuperMatt> mungbean: http://www.shouldireadthedailymail.com/
[11:27] <mungbean> that guy from lostprophets seems to be the most depraved human being ever
[11:27] <SuperMatt> oh
[11:29] <SuperMatt> oh
[11:29] <SuperMatt> oh god
[11:29] <SuperMatt> I feel sick
[11:30] <SuperMatt> thanks mungbean for letting me look him up
[11:30] <mungbean> even worse when family member went on his tour bus when she was 15
[11:30] <mungbean> fortunately too old for him by about 14 years it seems
[11:30] <mungbean> :(
[11:30] <SuperMatt> :/
[11:31] <mungbean> looks at hitler puppy picture  instead
[11:34] <popey> \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158
[11:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.open-electronics.org/helium-an-open-source-supercapacitor-powered-portable-speaker/
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt mungbean: He'll probably spend most of the rest of his natural life in isolation.
[11:35] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: which is unfortunate, put him in general population
[11:36] <SuperMatt> he will certainly need to be in solitary confinement, because he will be brutally murdered in prison
[11:36] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: that's the point.
[11:37] <SuperMatt> it's quite interesting, prison. They don't like paedophiles more than any other type of inmate, and I think I understand why
[11:37] <SuperMatt> the victim was always innocent
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity> He's sick in the head.
[11:37] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: yup or people that hit women, may sound contradictory, but there is still honour umongst theives
[11:37] <SuperMatt> indeed
[11:38] <SuperMatt> it's the idea that a child is innocent and *no one* should ever hurt one
[11:38] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: Yup, cultural differences to one side - you reach a point where our base nature (protect the progeny) kicks in. Any animal will kill (or attempt to kill) to protect young.
[11:38] <SuperMatt> at least people who have murdered generally have a reason that they believed strongly that they had to do it
[11:38] <directhex> the point of jail isn't retribution. "prison justice" is not justice
[11:39] <SuperMatt> oh, for sure
[11:39] <MooDoo> on a lighter note, £1500 well done to the alans so far - http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu
[11:39] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Unless you read the Daily Mail of course.
[11:39] <SuperMatt> huzzah!
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jeez I'm famished... Hurry up sandwich van!!!!
[11:39] <MooDoo> wow 3 pi's and a pint :D
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I'm famished too
[11:40] <SuperMatt> just waiting for the clock to hit 12 so I can break out the lunch box
[11:40] <directhex> TwistedLucidity, DM readers believe in "traditional" justice. corporal punishment, summary execution, that kind of thing. they are uncivilized people, no better than those they decry
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: I know, that was kind of my point.
[11:42] <diddledan> I'm still awake \o/
[11:43] <diddledan> hungry, though, so I'll join with the famished brigade
[11:43] <arsen> anyone any clue as to how often the kimsufi/ovh servers are restocked? prices are great for the latest gen boxes but always sold out :<
[11:43] <popey> Achievement unlocked: Unloaded dishwasher while kettle boiled
[11:43] <diddledan> I just wrote a script which I'm sure will fail horribly and completely
[11:43] <popey> Achievement unlocked: Filled washing machine while tea brewed
[11:43] <arsen> OR any recommended OVH alternatives for a similar price point.
[11:44] <penguin42> popey: Now now, no cheating by overfilling the kettle
[11:44] <popey> I always fill the kettle to the brim
[11:44] <popey> well, max fill line
[11:45] <penguin42> why? Do you use that much water?
[11:45] <bigcalm> popey: why do you waste so much energy?
[11:45] <popey> well, when I say always
[11:45] <arsen> for a regular tea drinker that's a few beer tokens a month!
[11:45] <popey> first one is "fill" then the next one is "reboil"
[11:46] <bigcalm> The more you boil water, the more o2 it looses
[11:47] <popey> wat
[11:47] <bigcalm> Water contains disolved oxygen as well as other minerals
[11:47] <bigcalm> The more you boil it, the more concentrated those other minerals get
[11:47] <mungbean> why do they say that baby milk should only be made with freshly boiled water, i.e. don't reboil
[11:47] <bigcalm> Making for odd tasting tea
[11:48] <mungbean> ah
[11:48] <DJones> I had visions of the oxygen in water disappearing to leave a kettle full of hydrogen then
[11:48] <bigcalm> Hehe, yeah, should have stated dissolved o2
[11:48] <arsen> what, you've never had Hydrogen Tea?
[11:48] <arsen> Much harder to make than Oxygen tea though, just chew a teabag..
[11:48] <bigcalm> Yum
[11:49] <arsen> I digress - anyone able to suggest alternatives to OVH/Kimsufi? I want a new ubuntu server :<
[11:50] <popey> i still dont see the problem ☻
[11:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't put more water than is necessary in the kettle when I make a coffee. It takes less time and uses less energy.
[11:52] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: Agreed, but it means then popey doesn't have time to empty his dishwasher
[11:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> He could do it in stages...
[11:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Emptying is the easy bit. I have a constant battle with my wife over efficient Dishwasher loading strategies.
[11:53] <AlanBell> if you don't have enough disolved oxygen in the water, fish might die
[11:53] <popey> me too TheOpenSourcerer
[11:53] <AlanBell> which is probably not a *huge* problem in a kettle
[11:56] <MooDoo> I'm glad I don't have a dishwasher, sound to complicated ;()
[11:57] <popey> wow
[11:57] <popey> it's 2013 and there are people without dishwashers!
[11:57] <bashrc> yes
[11:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh.
[11:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Actually my Sister-in-law and family don't have one. Their kitchen is not big enough.
[11:58] <directhex> we have a slim one
[11:59] <TwistedLucidity> FYI: Amazon 240GB Crucial SSD deal starts at 1630 +0000. Currently £113
[11:59] <penguin42> heck 350F capacitor
[11:59] <dwatkins> I looked into getting an SSD, but I need at least 750 GB in my laptop, and they're still hugely expensive.
[11:59] <MooDoo> don't need one to be honest....
[11:59] <MooDoo> dishwasher that is
[12:00] <penguin42> dwatkins: Has your laptop got a slot for mSATA ?
[12:01] <directhex> dwatkins, 750GB? ._.
[12:01] <TwistedLucidity> dwatkins: SSD in the case, USB3 for data?
[12:01] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Efficient dishwasher loading strategy is not to let your wife load the dishwasher
[12:02] <DJones> Although may be more self efficient if you always let her load it
[12:02] <directhex> seagate sell "sshd" drives for laptops, which are a regular hard disk with 8gb transparent ssd cache in front
[12:02] <SuperMatt> only those who have spent countless hours on tetris have good dishwasher skills
[12:02] <directhex> faster than a normal disk
[12:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mrs Lord is really rubbish at dishwasher loading. It gets on my moobs!
[12:02] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: I thought GNU/Linux didn't work well with those hybrid-drives?
[12:03] <penguin42> directhex: If you've got an mSATA slot somewhere then you can put a physically small SSD in that and still have the main drive
[12:03] <directhex> TwistedLucidity, western digital's drives are driver-based. seagate's are transparent
[12:03] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Ah-ha! Thanks. Good to know.
[12:03] <directhex> penguin42, yes. depending on the laptop, accessing the msata slot might suck
[12:04] <penguin42> why?
[12:05] <directhex> on wife's laptop you need to unscrew & remove the entire bottom of the laptop
[12:07] <GentileBen> Does anybody here have a Gromdar?
[12:07] <GentileBen> http://www.theonion.com/articles/inventor-of-gromdar-determined-to-put-a-gromdar-in,34633/
[12:08]  * popey notes its the onion
[12:10] <SuperMatt> you could probably replace "gromdar" with "the cloud" and it'd match about 90% of all cloud provider websites
[12:10] <penguin42> SuperMatt: I was thinking more IoT
[12:11] <SuperMatt> IoT?
[12:11] <penguin42> SuperMatt: Deary me - not caught up with latest buzzwords?!  Internet-of-things
[12:12] <SuperMatt> oh god, yes
[12:12] <SuperMatt> I don't even know what internet of things means
[12:12] <bashrc> internet of things is at least a decade old
[12:12] <mungbean> ARM like to say it a lot
[12:12] <SuperMatt> if it just means crativity on the web, I can't see why we didn't just call it that
[12:12] <mungbean> IoT is prob as old as ipv6
[12:13] <bashrc> it means gadgets with embedded web servers
[12:13] <mungbean> its more like millions and zillions of devices all internet enabled
[12:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hoorah! Sandwich van est arrive!!!
[12:18] <penguin42> mungbean: Of course ARM like to say it a lot, they want it to be an IoA
[12:21] <popey> looks like these guys will hit their goal http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2/x/1051579
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: a Chromecast clone?
[12:31] <popey> no, wireless hdmi effectively
[12:31] <popey> kinda chromecastlike but without the lockdown AIUI
[12:33] <MooDoo> looks good
[12:36] <penguin42> popey: But you can already buy wireless HDMI boxes
[12:37] <penguin42> hmm they are a bit big and precey though
[12:40] <mungbean> nigella lawson took cocaine "every day for a decade" :-|
[12:40] <nigelb> wasn't it her ex that called her higella?
[12:41] <DJones> mungbean: I always wondered why she used so much icing sugar in her cakes
[12:41] <popey> heh
[12:41] <popey> *sniff*
[12:42] <nigelb> ha
[12:43] <popey> Achievement unlocked: Made notpoodle lunch while tea brewed.
[12:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> If she took it every day for a decade she'd have no septum left. I wouldn't believe everything you read in the media...
[12:43] <mungbean> it was a claim made in court
[12:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[12:43] <mungbean> yet i still quoted " "
[12:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[12:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh man: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaE2lMwCQAEf5ZE.jpg:large nigelb is this for real?
[12:46] <GentileBen> Yes - that python really did swallow all those burritos.
[12:47] <GentileBen> http://www.hoax-slayer.com/giant-snake-swallows-woman.shtml TheOpenSourcerer
[12:47] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: Nope.
[12:47] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: I tweeted a correction too!
[12:47] <GentileBen> 4 seconds of sleuthing on the internet.
[12:47] <popey> nom nom nom notpoodle
[12:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> I installed kazam this morning to make a simple and quick desktop recording. It was rubbish and failed to correctly capture the mouse pointer position.
[12:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> So I installed recordmydesktop
[12:48] <popey> file a bug?
[12:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> That worked striaght away
[12:48] <popey> kazam developer is very active
[12:48] <popey> recordmydesktop is basically dead
[12:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - but it *works* :-D
[12:49] <popey> in some limited circumstances
[12:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Recording a desktop.
[12:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Kazam failed.
[12:49] <popey> works here, as I said, file a bug
[12:50] <penguin42> hmm I seem to remember coming a few bugs of kazam failing after a few seconds
[12:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> bug #1092339   reported 2012-12-19
[12:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[12:55] <popey> yay!
[12:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Phwaaarrr: https://twitter.com/AsmaKhanCooks/status/405681138112692224
[12:55] <popey> nom
[12:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/25/5146398/ibuypower-steam-machine-499-radeon-r9-270
[12:57] <popey> shame it's AMD/ATI
[12:57] <penguin42> why?
[12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Presumably Valve recommend the h/w
[12:57] <popey> I look forward to seeing Intel based Steam Boxes
[12:57] <popey> I kid, I kid.
[12:58] <penguin42> all the current consoles are AMD/ATI
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gah - I wish she'd stop these tweets: https://twitter.com/AsmaKhanCooks/status/405681819338952704
[12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time for a restorative stroll I think... Laterz.
[12:59] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, valve are providing reference. all valve prototypes are intel/nvidia
[12:59] <directhex> penguin42, doesn't help fix fglrx though does it
[13:00] <penguin42> directhex: Well I do use the open driver myself but I'm not a gamer; my experience previously with fglrx was that if you find the stable version for your hardware/kernel you're ok
[13:01] <directhex> penguin42, my deep concern is that ati-powered steam machines will significantly harm the reputation of steamos, and linux as a gaming platform generally, to a sceptical public.
[13:02] <directhex> penguin42, the only thing that matters - the ONLY thing - is that when little jimmy goes to GAME and buys a SteamOS box, it works when he gets it home & plugs it in. first time, seamless experience, every game runs. lots of steam games won't run on mesa *or* fglrx
[13:03]  * penguin42 doesn't know Steam stuff, but yeh that's a reasonable requirement
[13:04] <penguin42> directhex: My assumption is that a box like this will try and encourage more of the game vendors to get it to work, and with standardised hardware it's easier
[13:04] <directhex> the HW isn't standardised at all
[13:04] <penguin42> yeh, hmm
[13:04] <penguin42> still, if it turns out to be a widespread config it might help
[13:04] <directhex> and the game vendors can simply say "our engine needs OpenGL 4, Mesa only does partial OpenGL 3" or something
[13:06] <SuperMatt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1450849_10153497873070464_985426125_n.jpg <- best £30 I ever spent!
[13:06] <directhex> random example: Metro: Last Light is one of the most recent, graphically demanding games on Steam with a Linux port. It is possible to run it badly on mesa with a pile of workarounds (rendering errors everywhere). with fglrx it crashes on startup if you aren't using a beta driver
[13:07] <penguin42> so the steamos these boxes run - is this a full image distributed by steam or what?
[13:07] <mungbean> is using the apache module  mod_auth_ldap secure?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: secure how?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't encrypt the request/response, if that's what you mean.
[13:08] <mungbean> yeah :S
[13:09] <directhex> yes it does
[13:09] <directhex> well, it can
[13:10] <directhex> if you configure it to use TLS or SSL
[13:10] <directhex> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_auth_ldap.html#usingtls
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> directhex: sure, but that's not part of mod_auth_ldap, that's mod_ssl :)
[13:11] <directhex> um... what?
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> LDAP by itself probably uses HTTP basic authentication?
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ah this is for the connection back to the LDAP server
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I was thinking of the other side (user passing their password to the site)
[13:12] <directhex> each session is as encrypted as you configure it to be. you really want ssl for browser->server and server->slapd
[13:18] <Myrtti> snowball mic on discount
[13:19] <popey> ooh
[13:19] <popey> thats the one I have
[13:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bombay Bad Boy for lunch :-D
[13:35] <directhex> yum yum texturized soya
[13:35] <GentileBen> TheOpenSourcerer, remeber to be TheOpenWindower.
[13:35] <GentileBen> You don't want to poison your coworkers with your Pot Noodle farts.
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great value in Sainsbury's 2 for £1.50.
[13:37] <GentileBen> They used to be like 75p each before the collapse of the international banking system.
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Funny - I don;t think HSBC collapsed...
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> .. yet
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:42] <arsen> wow, i didnt know people ate pot noodles still! i did discover Itsu make a large clone of them though, available in your local Waitrose!
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> That was surprisingly lovely...
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> itsu are also in sainsbury's arsen
[13:43] <arsen> I took a few to Bestival - they weren't bad!
[13:47] <GentileBen> I was wondering what an arsen was.
[13:48] <GentileBen> "Do Sainsburys have arsens?"
[13:49] <GentileBen> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/11/27/0111229/ask-slashdot-are-we-older-experts-being-retired-too-early So I read this article.
[13:49] <GentileBen> An older person is complaining nobody will hire him, supposedly because he's old.
[13:49] <GentileBen> Of course he casually mentions he puts on his CV that he'll only work from home.
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm old.
[13:49] <GentileBen> So it takes half a thread for Slashdotters to cotton onto this
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> He's a  contractor
[13:50] <GentileBen> And then people start being sarcastic like, "You require to work remotely? Most managers cannot stand that - if you aren't there in the office so they can see that you are working, you must be goofing off, you cannot possibly be working. Judge you by your results? They wouldn't know how to do that, and they are far too harrassed/unimaginative/untrained to work out a method of doing it. "
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> And he's american "resume"...
[13:50] <GentileBen> Which is bullshit.
[13:50] <bigcalm> !ohmy | GentileBen
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I gave up reading /. years ago.
[13:51] <GentileBen> The reason nobody likes home workers is because it's damn near impossible to build a team out of people who are thousands of miles away.
[13:51]  * bigcalm is liked :(
[13:51] <GentileBen> What are you going to do, mandate a persistent group Skype video chat between everybody?
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I know a local company that seems to be very successful at doing just that...
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you're getting pms?
[13:51] <GentileBen> That's why they're contractors and not managers.
[13:51] <popey> Works for us ☻
[13:52] <GentileBen> popey why the blackface?
[13:52] <popey> its not black here
[13:52] <GentileBen> It sure as hell is here.
[13:52] <popey> ☹
[13:53] <GentileBen> So anyway
[13:53] <MooDoo> home working is fine, never heard of hangouts :p
[13:53] <GentileBen> It's difficult to collaborate with people when you can't, you know, talk to them with the human ability known as speech.
[13:53] <popey> http://imgur.com/M01rDEn
[13:53] <MooDoo> sorry didn't see your last post lol
[13:53] <popey> we use hangouts daily
[13:53] <popey> and mumble
[13:54] <GentileBen> I guess I'm just a people person!
[13:54]  * penguin42 is going to be a permanent home worker from Monday - should be interesting
[13:54] <GentileBen> Don't you get bored being by yourself all day? Unless you don't have your own office, that is.
[13:54] <penguin42> GentileBen: I guess I'll find out, never done it before
[13:55] <MooDoo> penguin42: you certainly need self control but when I get the chance to work from home I love it
[13:55]  * penguin42 must make an effort to go to hackspaces and the like
[13:55] <popey> dont get a chance to get bord
[13:55] <popey> *bored
[13:55] <GentileBen> MooDoo I actively refuse to work from home.
[13:55] <GentileBen> I guess it's down to personal preference.
[13:55] <MooDoo> GentileBen: as you said you must be a people person
[13:55] <GentileBen> I average 3 WFH days a year.
[13:55] <GentileBen> And those are due to colds/coughs.
[13:56] <GentileBen> MooDoo, I don't have the discipline to not spend all day stuffing my face with crisps and watching Loose Women.
[13:57] <GentileBen> I work in an open-plan building with 500 other people in the head office...you can't avoid human contact.
[13:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> ZOMG!!!! http://mashable.com/2013/11/26/sprout-battery/
[13:57] <GentileBen> But anyway back on point...
[13:58] <GentileBen> The reason that guy isn't getting a job is because he's insisting on working from home, which few companies will tolerate from an engineer...why would they hire him when they can hire a bank of WFM Indians for the same cost?
[13:58] <MooDoo> GentileBen: who you work for if you don't mind me asking
[13:58] <GentileBen> Also, he's probably not followed common sense by only putting the last 10 years of experience on his CV.
[13:59] <GentileBen> MooDoo I'd rather not say.
[13:59] <MooDoo> not a problem
[13:59] <GentileBen> I don't think Mark would be very happy if I let slip I work for Canonical.
[13:59] <GentileBen> Oops.
[13:59] <GentileBen> I mean
[13:59] <GentileBen> I'd rather not say.
[13:59] <MooDoo> canonical?  any good?  who are they and what do they do....I hear davmor2 is one of the bosses of that place ;)
[13:59] <GentileBen> (I don't work for Canonical. Do they need Windows/Cisco/VMware architects? Probably not)
[14:00] <GentileBen> MooDoo: it's a front org for the Debian Project.
[14:00] <GentileBen> Don't worry, few people have heard of them.
[14:01] <popey> my postman has ☻
[14:01] <GentileBen> Your postman has severe burns?
[14:01] <popey> He has heard of "them"
[14:03] <penguin42> GentileBen: In the larger companies that have people working on projects all around the world, working from home is less of an issue since you're less likely to be working with people in the same office on the same project anyway
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> *cue creepy music*
[14:03] <penguin42> GentileBen: And anyway if all the meetings involve 5 different countries it doesn't really matter if it also involves you on the other end of a line as well
[14:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm not at all :P
[14:03] <GentileBen> penguin42.........I know.......I work for a global company.
[14:04] <GentileBen> But they're mostly office-based people, even if the offices are in India.
[14:04] <GentileBen> penguin42, probably half my meetings are conference calls with people elsewhere in the country/world.
[14:05] <GentileBen> Actually if you include any meeting with a concall it's more like 3/4.
[14:05] <penguin42> nod
[14:05] <GentileBen> Most of the WFM people I talk to are AMs and "people on the road" who work out of their cars.
[14:05] <penguin42> hehe
[14:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: what?  lies, I thought mark reported to you
[14:06] <GentileBen> Our company has a hit squad of mobile assassins who travel around the country.
[14:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Excellent. Wifey is making a suitably stable dinner (Veg Lentil Stew & Rice) that I can not rush home and stop off at my local for a couple before migrating a client's CRM architecture later this evening. :-D
[14:07] <GentileBen> Mark reports into davmor2? Is davmor2 Ian Murdock?
[14:08] <davmor2> GentileBen: Umm No, MooDoo is just being silly
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: yeah but davmor2 reports to popey
[14:08] <MooDoo> popey:  is god
[14:08] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No I don't
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you can tell us! we won't judge you!
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> (publicly)
[14:09] <popey> Jane is Marks boss, and Mark is also Janes boss.
[14:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: going to the LUG tonight?
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> New video from Jolla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfAixpkzcBQ&feature=youtu.be
[14:10] <andylockran> d/j/jo
[14:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm planning on it just depends if I get down my never ending list of stuff that needs doing
[14:11] <GentileBen> davmor2: come on Ian, don't be coy.
[14:12] <arsen> id happily work from home with the occasional office trip, i'd just goto collab workspaces or something - plenty of nice "clubs" in london yuo can use as ofice space with similar people and nice environment, or for lazy days, work-from-bed. :)
[14:12] <directhex> WFH is tough
[14:12] <directhex> it tends to lead to cabin fever
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> arsen: work-from-starbucks? ;)
[14:13] <arsen> erp, id rather not :D
[14:13] <bigcalm> Yep, which is why I force myself out. I do all of the shopping for instance
[14:14]  * penguin42 reckons he is in walking distance of at least 2 full size supermarkets, so I do intend to at least have a good walk each lunch time
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone used Leaflet.js?
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://leafletjs.com/
[14:16] <GentileBen> penguin42, you're lucky.
[14:16] <GentileBen> A lot of people aren't near any good shops.
[14:16] <penguin42> GentileBen: It's about 20mins each way, so gives me a useful length walk
[14:17] <bigcalm> Tesco is 7.4 miles (I get fuel there as well) from my house.  I normally use the self-scan machines....
[14:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:18] <bigcalm> penguin42: when buying beer, there is interaction if you like it or not
[14:22] <penguin42> looks like it's about 1.3 miles to each of the two closest supermarkets
[14:25] <penguin42> there is a 3rd at about 2 miles, but that's too far to round-trip in a lunch time
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: not if you buy it online ;)
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (yes that's possible ;))
[14:30] <arsen> reminds me - im' gona take advantage of an ocado-newbies offer for big discount on my first order this evening.
[14:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ocado are great.
[14:30] <arsen> never tried! just got some deal for like £25 off a £60 order?!
[14:48] <Azelphur> Lol, I posted my computer to /r/battlestations and it's been at the top for 24 hours now
[14:48] <Azelphur> I think I got the most upvotes of all time
[14:48] <Azelphur> \o/
[14:50] <penguin42> ?
[14:50] <Azelphur> penguin42: http://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/ look at the top post :)
[14:51] <penguin42> Azelphur: Oh yeh
[14:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: wth is the thing to the right with the fans on?
[14:52] <Azelphur> WOOT WOOT, Bitcoin just hit $1000
[14:52] <Azelphur> penguin42: radiator
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are you rich again?
[14:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 1000*111
[14:53] <Azelphur> :)
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> niiice :)
[14:53] <penguin42> Azelphur: Another couple of monitors then....
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> a boat to come to .nl in ;)
[14:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> wow, mtgox lag is waaaay down
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> compared to the last boom
[15:21] <arsen> Azelphur  - lovely view! Do i spy ~36 terminals open ?! :D
[15:21] <Azelphur> arsen: nah, that's IRC channels
[15:22] <arsen> crazy.
[15:22] <bashrc> should be 42 terminals
[15:23] <arsen> You've heard of 'screen', and irssi windows right? :D
[15:23] <arsen> I do like the look of the NSA style IRC monitoring station though - a direct contrast to the ship in your window.. :D
[15:25] <MooDoo> NSA where?  have they hacked irc?  omg ;)
[15:27] <bashrc> You can never escape from the eye of BB  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I dun raised an adroid bug
[15:41] <SuperMatt> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=62924
[15:43] <TwistedLucidity> SillyBoy
[15:44] <penguin42> SuperMatt: You'll need a phone with this http://www.tactustechnology.com/ for that to work
[16:21] <bigcalm> Wife is finally using Windows 7 on her new SSD, which is quite an improvement over Vista on a HDD
[16:21] <bigcalm> Breathing life into a 4 year old laptop
[16:21] <SuperMatt> Anything is an improvement over Vista
[16:23] <NET||abuse> hi folks, trying to restore unity on an old machine which we tried installing the 173.x nvidia drivers binary on.
[16:27] <NET||abuse> at the moment it comes up with 4 radio buttons saying "low graphics mode for just one session" and trouble shoot the issue and things like this
[16:27] <NET||abuse> ultimiately i need to purge the nvidia driver and re-install nouveau, removing any module blacklists for nouveau
[16:27] <directhex> that's the x.org fallback session
[16:31] <arsen> Does anyone have any recommended Colo providers (UK), or maybe a reasonable Dedi provider (EU)? :)
[16:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> arsen: We rent h/w from Hetzner. They will do colo too but are in Germany.
[16:33] <davmor2> SuperMatt: Windows 8 is a regression over vista at least with vista you knew where to look for apps if nothing else :)
[16:34] <arsen> ah yes, i remember that name.
[16:34] <SuperMatt> 8.1 is quite good though
[16:35] <davmor2> SuperMatt: not seen 8.1 so can't comment on it.
[16:35] <GentileBen> SuperMatt, Vista SP1 was fine.
[16:36] <GentileBen> Vista's biggest problems were driver and app compatibility....and the fact people tried to install it on 5-year-old laptops.
[16:36] <davmor2> GentileBen: No it wasn't,  It still used way too much resources.  Windows 7 should of been the vista release basically
[16:36] <GentileBen> No, you don't understand what Vista was. They reworked basically everything, writing several stacks (video, audio, driver, printing, networking) from scratch.
[16:37] <GentileBen> Of course it was going to require more resources.
[16:37] <GentileBen> Under the hood, Vista was the biggest change since Windows moved to a 32-bit kernel.
[16:38] <GentileBen> It *was* Microsoft's fault for not applying a feature freeze after they gave partners the beta, though.
[16:38] <GentileBen> The likes of Nvidia were struggling with WDDM already, without MS changing stuff in a major way between B1 and B2.
[16:39] <GentileBen> Anyway, back to ubuntu.
[16:43] <directhex> 8.1 isn't quite good. but it papers over some of the worst 8.0 cracks
[16:44] <GentileBen> 8.1's insistence that people use their *email account* to sign in is absurd.
[16:44] <GentileBen> Google asks you to register your phone using an email address, but your device password is just a pin.
[16:45] <GentileBen> MS ask you to type in your hotmail password every time, if you want everything to work properly.
[16:46] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BQ8RM1A/ref=gb1h_tit_c-1_8827_6ed8f7ae?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=17VW6JP4BMSPRPQZQEYS&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_p=449478827
[16:46] <popey> on offer, 96 quid for 240GB SSD
[16:48] <directhex> GentileBen, you can do local accounts on windows 8, but that prevents installing apps from the app store
[16:54] <dwatkins> I had a local account on Windows 8, but when I updated yesterday it pretty much forced me to supply my hotmail credentials.
[16:54] <dwatkins> to clarify: I had only a local account until yesterday
[16:56] <bigcalm> popey: that the same one as the other day? I'm guessing they didn't shift as many as they expected to
[16:58] <SuperMatt> oh man, I must be tired
[16:58] <SuperMatt> I tried to delete a folder with `sudo apt-get remove foldername`
[17:04] <NET||abuse> ok, i got the machine to run the desktop again, nouveau driver operating except, at all times including login screen, and desktop, we have big white streak blocking out the bottom 25% of the screen
[17:04] <NET||abuse> it didn't do that before.
[17:05] <NET||abuse> but otherwise the whole thing seems to be operating.
[17:12] <NET||abuse> SuperMatt: apt-allthethings
[17:13] <NET||abuse> ok, so we got white block of streak at the bottom of the screen
[17:13] <NET||abuse> even during booting off the netinstall cd
[17:13] <NET||abuse> uh oh
[17:14] <SuperMatt> screen failure?
[17:14] <NET||abuse> changing screens right now, but i think not as the post screen is fine
[17:14] <NET||abuse> it's only when the kernel is driving output, and i think the default it tries in nouveau
[17:15] <NET||abuse> it's an old gpu, GeForce somethinganchient
[17:15] <NET||abuse> the 173.x legacy nvidia driver has it listed as supported but then the installer says it's not... :(
[17:16] <NET||abuse> and the 173 driver just didn't work
[17:17] <NET||abuse> haha, it was the screen
[17:17] <NET||abuse> amazing.
[17:20] <arsen> me needs to build a BTC mining farm.
[17:43] <GentileBen> arsen, too late.
[17:44] <GentileBen> Only people with $$$ can afford the ASICs to mine BTC economically.
[17:44] <arsen> if i had the $$$, what ASIC would i buy?
[17:47] <arsen> the problem im finding is there's lots of "preorder" hardware that doesnt exist yet.
[17:49] <GentileBen> I dunno.
[17:49] <GentileBen> You could always mine via a botnet.
[17:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: looks like I am going I've just past the point I wanted to get to today :)
[17:50] <bigcalm> Oh no!
[17:50] <bigcalm> I mean, yay
[17:52] <bigcalm> Running a shell script from crontab as root uses "service gearman-job-server stop". Looking at the result in email, I see this:
[17:52] <bigcalm>  * Stopping Gearman Server gearmand
[17:52] <bigcalm> /etc/init.d/gearman-job-server: 64: /etc/init.d/gearman-job-server:
[17:52] <bigcalm> start-stop-daemon: not found
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> German Job Server?
[17:52] <bigcalm>    ...fail!
[17:52] <bigcalm> I'm not sure what to make of it
[17:52] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: :P Gearman
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is PATH different?
[17:52] <arsen> sounds like a PATH / LD_LIB difference
[17:53] <arsen> run a cronjob to 'echo $PATH > ~/path.txt'
[17:53] <bigcalm> It's a cronjob run by root, I'm not sure why the path would no longer include /sbin
[17:53] <directhex> cron jobs have empty $PATH
[17:53] <arsen> ^
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> directhex: really? I seem to remember mine had at least /usr/bin and /bin
[17:54] <bigcalm> Oh, ah well
[17:54] <bigcalm> Ta
[17:54] <bigcalm> I'll have to set the path for the init script to not fail I guess
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: why are you using start-stop-daemon in an upstart job though? I thought upstart can do this by itself?
[17:55] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I didn't write the init script
[17:55] <directhex> you're right, PATH=/usr/bin:/bin in cron
[17:55] <directhex> and nothing else
[17:55] <bigcalm> # cat ~/path.txt
[17:55] <bigcalm> /usr/bin:/bin
[17:56] <bigcalm> export PATH="$PATH:/sbin" ?
[17:56] <directhex> or set the path in the cron script
[17:56] <directhex> er, crontab
[17:57] <arsen> PATH=$PATH:/blah; run_script.sh
[17:57] <arsen> weirdly, i solved this exact problem last night.
[17:57] <bigcalm> I don't need to export? Good
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> arsen: without the ;
[17:57] <bigcalm> Drop the ;?
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "FOO=bar binary" runs "binary" with an extra environment variable "FOO" with value "bar"
[17:58] <bigcalm> Okay
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you can also just put a line in crontab: PATH=foo
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> it just sets the path explicitly for all following cron jobs
[17:58] <arsen> i actually created a run_script.sh, set a load of stuff in there and called my binary.
[17:58] <arsen> MartijnVdS  - thanks, didn't know that.
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> arsen: like MAILTO lines
[17:59]  * bigcalm keeps learning
[17:59] <bigcalm> Thanks :)
[18:01] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site
[18:01] <bigcalm> Unrelated to crontab (I think), anybody seen this before?No entry for terminal type "unknown";
[18:01] <Myrtti> btw right now there's a DVD set of Gus von Sant's History of Film on the amazon deals
[18:02] <Myrtti> it was shown in Finland in the summer - I can heartily recommend watching it
[18:02] <arsen> seems like the current bitcoin retail miners (asics) arent that efficient compared to the new gen incoming
[18:02] <Myrtti> I can't decide myself do I want to buy it or not, I've sank so much money on Amazon this week already
[18:03] <arsen> Myrtti  - you'll regret NOT buying it :D
[18:03] <arsen> I arrived at my desk on Monday morning and had spent £100+ by 09:00am :<
[18:04] <directhex> steam sale, kiddies
[18:05] <bigcalm> Ooo, tell us Daddy. What should we buy?
[18:06] <bigcalm> Bioshock Infinite for £12.49
[18:06] <bigcalm> That'll do me
[18:06] <GentileBen> BioShock Infinite wasn't that great.
[18:06] <GentileBen> Not as good as the original.
[18:07] <GentileBen> Infinite doesn't have a fear factor - no splicers, no dark environments. ;_;
[18:07] <bigcalm> Bus Simulator 2012?
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is that like Euro Truck Simulator?
[18:08] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: http://store.steampowered.com/app/253770/ you tell me :)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: looks like it 8-)
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: except the truck sim also exists for Linux
[18:09] <directhex> don't buy games unless they're on a daily or flash sale, or it's the final day of the sale
[18:09] <directhex> man, it's like you guys are new to this
[18:09] <bigcalm> :P
[18:10] <directhex> there are 2 levels of discount - "duration" for the length of the sale, and "promotional" if the game is a daily or flash sale. e.g. 50% and 75% off respectively
[18:10]  * popey opens steam
[18:10] <directhex> buy a game now at duration discount, it's guaranteed to be less 8 hours later as a promotional price
[18:10] <popey> I want a game to replace Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: Day of Defeat?
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> (: Source)
[18:11] <popey> ooh
[18:13]  * MartijnVdS installs DoD:S
[18:14] <davmor2> popey: Assult Cube?
[18:15] <davmor2> popey: Warsaw
[18:15] <GentileBen> popey: Wolfenstein.
[18:15] <GentileBen> The, erm, new new one.
[18:15] <GentileBen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein:_The_New_Order
[18:16] <GentileBen> The 2009 one sucked IMO.
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: Counterstrike : source
[18:16] <popey> i have cs:s
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: doom3
[18:16] <popey> ooh, there's another Wolf
[18:17] <GentileBen> Did you play the 2009 one popey?
[18:17] <GentileBen> It was ridiculously bad...like, almost on purpose bad.
[18:17] <davmor2> popey: Medal of honor: Allied Assault
[18:18] <directhex> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> I sold at $100.
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> <- oops
[18:20] <popey> no
[18:20] <GentileBen> Well I think it's going to crash again.
[18:20] <GentileBen> Best time to buy is right after a crash, duh.
[18:20] <GentileBen> But $1000? Damn.
[18:21] <GentileBen> As an aside, people are now commenting on how Bitcoin is being treated as a commodity or stock, and not a currency. i.e. people are just trading $ for BTC, and not actually spending it.
[18:21] <directhex> bitcoin *is* a commodity
[18:22] <directhex> spending btc is http://www.rathergood.com/bullion
[18:23] <GentileBen> Still...I wish I'd bought MartijnVdS's bitcoins.
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> spending, or buying?
[18:31] <Myrtti> http://abitcoinisworth.com/
[18:32] <Myrtti> awww
[18:32] <Myrtti> they've not updated it to work without mtgox :-(
[18:32] <Myrtti> no wait they have but something else is broken
[18:33] <ali1234> shows bitstamp price for me
[18:33] <Myrtti> it's supposed to show a picture of something worth one bitcoin
[18:33] <Myrtti> ah
[18:34] <Myrtti> "This API is now sunset for all users other than Google Commerce Search customers."
[18:34] <shauno> hehe .. I just got mail from my landlord, with the wrong surname
[18:34] <shauno> apparently he's not entirely clear who lives here :)
[20:23] <ivanka> hi popey, are you there?
[22:48] <popey> http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogenmod-installer-application-removed-from-play-store
[22:48] <brobostigon> yep.
[22:55] <ali1234> totally justified
[22:56] <ali1234> popey: you should submit ubuntu installer to microsoft app store :)
[22:56] <ali1234> where "you" = canonical
[22:57] <popey> heh
[23:00] <popey> i was kinda surprised they even created the app in the first place. Seemed an odd way to do it.
[23:01] <ali1234> the new cyanogenmod roms guide to to make a cyanogenmod "account", whatever that means, on first bootup
[23:01] <ali1234> i don't like it
[23:01] <ali1234> you can skip it, but meh. it's a bad sign
[23:07] <Mydim3> hey
[23:07] <Mydim3> can any of you mates help me?
[23:07] <ali1234> maybe
[23:07] <ali1234> !ask
[23:08] <Mydim3> ok
[23:09] <Mydim3> i am trying to install steam on lubuntu and downloaded it then installed it and when i tried to run it i double clicked it and nothing happened.
[23:10] <ali1234> how did you install it?
[23:10] <Mydim3> by the package manager
[23:10] <Mydim3> gdebi
[23:10] <ali1234> hmm. which version lubuntu?
[23:10] <Mydim3> saucy salamander
[23:11] <ali1234> try running it from the command line: "steam"
[23:11] <ali1234> see if it says any errors
[23:11] <Mydim3> on the terrminal
[23:11] <ali1234> it will probably say a lot, most of which are irrelevant
[23:12] <directhex> kill any possible dead steam processes first, imho. pgrep steam | xargs kill
[23:12] <ali1234> yeah
[23:14] <Mydim3> ok killed all steam processes
[23:15] <directhex> and just run "steam" in the terminal, rather than clicking the icon
[23:15] <Mydim3> ok
[23:15] <Mydim3> it says
[23:15] <directhex> use paste.ubuntu.com for big pastes
[23:16] <Mydim3> steam runtime is enabled automatically installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0_client)
[23:17] <ali1234> that's all?
[23:18] <Mydim3> yea
[23:18] <ali1234> does it return to command prompt or just hang?
[23:19] <Mydim3> just hang
[23:19] <ali1234> weird
[23:19] <directhex> ok. hit ctrl-c and try "steam --reset"
[23:21] <Mydim3> cannot stat '/home/mydim3/.local/share/steam/bootstrap.tar.xz reset complete!
[23:22] <Mydim3> what no?
[23:22] <Mydim3> now?
[23:22] <directhex> try "steam" again
[23:23] <Mydim3> Running Steam on ubuntu 13.10 32-bit STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0_client)
[23:23] <Mydim3> same message
[23:24] <Mydim3> do i kill the steam?
[23:24] <Mydim3> its there but not opening
[23:25] <ali1234> is your install 32 or 64 bit?
[23:25] <directhex> yes, kill it
[23:25] <directhex> try
[23:25] <directhex> rm -r ~/.steam/steam/appcache/
[23:25] <Mydim3> i installed 32 bit i think?
[23:26] <Mydim3> rm -r ~/.steam/steam/appcache/ don't work
[23:26] <Mydim3> it says can't be removed
[23:26] <directhex> what does it say *precisely*?
[23:27] <Mydim3> cannot remove ‘/home/mydim3/.steam/steam/appcache/’: No such file or directory
[23:27] <directhex> rm -r ~/.local/share/Steam/appcache/
[23:27] <Mydim3> i tried that
[23:29] <Mydim3> i got teamviewer
[23:29] <Mydim3> if you got teamviewer
[23:29] <Mydim3> we can do that
[23:29] <directhex> no, i don't
[23:30] <directhex> i really need to go to sleep now
[23:30] <Mydim3> night mate
[23:30] <Mydim3> ali u got teamviewer
[23:32] <ali1234> no, but i do have some things you can try
[23:32] <Mydim3> ok
[23:32] <Mydim3> lets get to work mate
[23:32] <ali1234> try: sudo apt-get install xfonts-scalable
[23:33] <Mydim3> its prosessing
[23:33] <Mydim3> ok done
[23:33] <Mydim3> it did a lot of things
[23:33] <ali1234> this probably won't help, but you never know
[23:34] <ali1234> try running steam again now
[23:34] <Mydim3> do i try to run it?
[23:34] <Mydim3> same error
[23:34] <ali1234> hmmmm
[23:35] <ali1234> ok, well, there's one way to find out what it is doing
[23:35] <Mydim3> how
[23:36] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install strace
[23:36] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:36] <ali1234> strace -f -e file steam 2> /tmp/strace.log
[23:37] <ali1234> *wait for a while*
[23:37] <ali1234> pastebinit /tmp/strace.log
[23:37] <ali1234> post url it gives you here
[23:41] <ali1234> hmm


[17:28] <dsmythies> #startmeeting Ubuntu Docs
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[17:30] <dsmythies> Is anybody here for the doc team meeting?
[17:32] <dsmythies> Since nobody is here for the doc team meeting, the meeting will be adjorned.
[17:33] <dsmythies> #endmeeting
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[17:44] <dsmythies> Gunnar, I already had the meeting and already posted the logs
[17:45] <dsmythies> Nobody showed
[17:45] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Great! What did you decide? ;)
[17:45] <dsmythies> I gave myself a raise
[17:45] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Good, you're worth it.


[02:16] <Vyse007> I am having this weird kwin dialog hang every now and then with Kubuntu 15.10 (http://imgur.com/oRAbQET)
[02:16] <Vyse007> I tried searching bugzilla, but couldn't find the exact issue.
[02:37] <Vyse007> Anyone here?
[02:50] <Vyse007> Anyone, please?
[03:53] <overminddl1> Would anyone know why when I xkbcomp a new mapping to a keyboard-like device it often 'leaks' into another?  Say I have a 3 keyboards, I xkbcomp a new mapping to one, the second stays fine, the third a minute later (not immediately upon mapping change oddly) gets the mapping set to the first...
[07:41] <dengjiong> hi
[07:59] <calcmandan> on kubuntu 15.10, freshly installed a few days ago. was on 14.10 prior and had added my owncloud contacts via a dav groupware setup in accounts. this feature doesn't seem to exist by default now so i'd like to ask for recommendations for a good dav service to install. i see 'sync' in muon discoverer.
[08:02] <calcmandan> so once i had setup my owncloud server, i was easily able to setup my contacts in kontact without much hassle. at th emoment, the only option is to connect to google.
[08:26] <calcmandan> nevermindfigured itout
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <salman_> I can't download kubundu 15.04, it is showing version 14.04 instead. Why is it?
[09:06] <lordievader> !15.04
[09:06] <lordievader> salman_: You probably want to get 15.10 ;)
[09:07] <salman_> I want latest LTS version
[09:07] <lordievader> That is 14.04 indeed.
[09:08] <salman_> so 15.04 not released?
[09:08] <lordievader> It is, but it ain't an LTS and almost out of support.
[09:10] <salman_> Why that happened?  I thought every version ending with ".04" is LTS. Is there any problem with it?
[09:11] <lordievader> No, only even version ending in .04, so 14.04. The next LTS will be 16.04.
[09:11] <Unit193> Nope, 12.04 was, 13.04 wasn't, 14.04 was, 15.04 wasn't, 16.04 will be.
[09:13] <salman_> ok, great. I don'nt know that. Thanks for that information. God bless Lordievader....
[09:13] <salman_> I am going for 15.10 :)
[09:14] <lordievader> ;)
[09:15] <salman_> Thanks for your support. Bye...
[09:15] <lordievader> Good luck on your Kubuntu journey ;)
[09:18] <KodeDoll> Hello, I have a question.  I recently upgraded an install of Kubuntu to 15.10, However now many icons and shortcuts to main programs on the application launcher don't work.  Is there a quick way to fix this?
[10:13] <Finh> Could anyone tell me why, when I boot into a live-session it shows me as "Live Session User" and won't let me enter as "Kubuntu". Needless to say I have no passowrd and can't find any reference to one when searching for a solution ?
[10:15] <lordievader> I think the username is all lowercase, the password should be left blank.
[10:16] <Finh> I don't get an option to enter a username, sorry for not mentioning that
[10:17] <Finh> only the password field allows input
[10:18] <lordievader> Ah, and leaving that blank doesn't work?
[10:19] <Finh> no, it says incorrect passwordf, I tried entering as kubuntu from the console when prompted as the distro was loading but that didn't work
[10:19] <lordievader> Hmm, is the md5sum/sha1sum correct?
[10:21] <Finh> Yes, double checked it and verified the DVD when I burned it. I think at this stage I may just go ahead and install when given the option and hopefully that would solve my problem
[10:23] <lordievader> I've heared of this problem before, usually they fixed it by recreating the image... :(
[10:23] <Finh> Thanks for the help, sorry to have taken up so much of your time :)
[10:24] <lordievader> No problem, that is why we are here ;)
[11:28] <lytkindv> hi
[12:13] <Improver> test
[12:15] <Improver> I have a question why cant we make the minimize,close,maximize buttons in Firefox like in Windows or Mac where the buttons are on the same heights as the tabs?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:31] <popay> Hi there, I'm new here, and like to comment on Dragon Player on Kubuntu ??
[13:32] <popay> Anyone??
[13:59] <jemand> Hi, has anyone had performance issues in 15.10?  I'm getting regular crashes (krunner being the biggest culprit)
[14:00] <jemand> With facebook in Firefox my Thinkpad W510 dies with heat 95 degrees Celsius +
[14:11] <mparillo> I have noticed that recently Chromium is less than half the memory (sometimes a third) of firefox.
[14:12] <mparillo> Not sure it is relevant to your overheating issue. I think I recall a thread about thinkpad fan controls.
[14:16] <mparillo> Here are two ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/ThermalIssues
[14:16] <mparillo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/687394/overheating-on-lenovo-ideapad-z710-kubuntu-14-04
[14:32] <Manolo_> Hellooooooooooooooooo! I'm trying to install Kubuntu 15.10 in a laptop and It never boots (or loads the iso) but in other computers and laptops that ISO works
[14:32] <Manolo_> Do you know if Kubuntu 15.10 uses something modern/new in its installation process?
[14:38] <jemand> THX for SUPER input.
[14:38] <jemand> Runs much smoother now.
[14:39] <Manolo_> Any idea?
[14:51] <ash__> Hello! I'm facing a problem with video playback on Kubuntu 15.04. Can you help me?
[14:55] <Smurphy> Manolo_: You will have to give us more details than that.
[14:55] <Smurphy> What do you mean, it does not boot ?
[14:57] <Manolo_> black screen Smurphy.
[14:58] <Manolo_> The thing is... DEbian 6 works.
[14:58] <Manolo_> Let me check one thing, please, bro.
[14:58] <Smurphy> ack
[15:45] <General_Martok> hi, I'm new at kunbunto. How can I change into admin dirs?
[15:45] <General_Martok> i have installed an anti vir in opt folder but i can't enter, sudo doesn't work
[15:47] <General_Martok> now sudo worked, sorry for the alert ;)
[15:49] <Manolo_> Kunbunto haha
[15:51] <Vyse007> I am seeing this weird dialog issue (http://imgur.com/oRAbQET) on almost all apps under Kubuntu 15.10
[15:51] <Vyse007> When I run these apps from the terminal under strace, I can see that the reason why the content of the dialog isn't drawn is because the application waits for the call to respond at "open(/dev/video0, ...)"
[15:51] <Vyse007> I assumed (rightly), that this is a webcam-related issue, and so I disconnected the webcam, which solved the problem.
[15:52] <Vyse007> But I can't see why almost all apps depend on the webcam...
[16:38] <luisrene88> JOIN
[18:13] <anabain> Somehow I've lost the bluetooth icon on my task bar. How can I recover it?
[18:14] <anabain> I'm on 15.10
[18:21] <soee_> maybe it is hidden because blutooth is not active
[18:22] <afterlight> hello
[18:22] <soee_> anabain: laso open Systray settings and chekc if Bluetooth is enabled tere
[18:23] <soee_> hi afterlight
[18:23] <afterlight> cna anyone help? Having a problem
[18:23] <soee_> !ask
[18:25] <afterlight> ok new here... well every time i open konqueror or mozzila it appear that i can install "flash" but when i try yo install it in the midle of the proces it gets me an error that dosent show the detail ... and the flash dose not install and the proces is repidet   (ps sorry for my english)
[18:31] <afterlight> 2'nd  question. "KDE Connect" Great and usefull tool but it seems not to work the multimedia control with audacius only with Amarok. any one make it work with other media player ???
[18:57] <General_Martok> Hi, can somebody suggest me a Dreamweaver alternative for kubuntu?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> what' dreamweaver?
[18:58] <soee_> afterlight: did you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:58] <soee_> !flash
[19:02] <afterlight> soee_ yes i have and yes youtube works  but i dont k now why it show s me this message...
[19:04] <General_Martok> Dreamweaver is a nice HTML-Editor
[19:15] <General_Martok> Can somebody suggest me an HTML-Editor like Dreamweaver with Preview-function?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> General_Martok:  I see this in the package manager, libgtkhtml-editor-common
[19:18] <afterlight> General_Martok:  see http://www.linuxalt.com/linux-alternatives-to/windows/dreamweaver.html
[19:21] <afterlight> iwhere i can upload images so i can use to show you the problem ?
[19:30] <marco-parillo> I have seen people use http://imgur.com/
[19:35] <afterlight>
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[19:48] <afterlight> cmd
[19:48] <afterlight> uname -a
[20:01] <afterlight> ok guys see you other time
[21:29] <yanis> hello everybody. I have a question I don't know if you can help.
[21:30] <yanis> I want to create a new LOCO team in my country. how and where to start?
[21:46] <clivejo> what is your country?
[21:48] <yanis> ALgeria
[22:30] <GabeN> Hello, can I get help here?
[22:33] <GabeN> Hello?
[22:46] <valorie> sigh
[23:15] <AngryNoob> Guys, I need your help.
[23:15] <AngryNoob> Why /etc/hosts is not working in Kubuntu?
[23:15] <AngryNoob> I have this line
[23:15] <AngryNoob> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[23:16] <AngryNoob> and when I go to the real domain, nothing.
[23:18] <clivejo> localhost is a reserved name
[23:18] <clivejo> for loopback
[23:20] <clivejo> are you using a tab to separate them?
[23:20] <clivejo> oh Im talking to myself
[23:20] <Chaser> you are a loopback :)
[23:21]  * clivejo gasps
[23:21] <clivejo> how rude!
[23:23] <valorie> good grief, the angry person left in less than a minute
[23:26] <clivejo> impatient and angry
[23:30] <abdulhannanali> AngryNoob nice username really
[23:30] <abdulhannanali> I love Kubuntu
[23:31] <abdulhannanali> But there are like 70 updates pending in my kubuntu. I have to install them yet. I hope there's something good in them :)


[10:30] <Wolfusiek> Can somebody help me? i just installed lubuntu, and cant connect to my router wifi, i tried it with my phone (Psmart 2019) and it normally conects, is there any code for this? When i try to connect to my wifi it says that i disconnected and enter password again, even if i enter it correctly.
[16:04] <itu> is that site run by canonical or others?   https://lubuntu.me
[16:07] <kc2bez> https://lubuntu.me is the official web page for Lubuntu.
[16:08] <itu> thx
[16:09] <kc2bez> np
[16:10] <kc2bez> It is the same link you can find on the flavours page of Ubuntu. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[16:14] <itu> ok. i did not take that look into the topic here ...
[16:15] <itu> ( ... while the #lubuntu in libera is just waiting for someone able to set a topic there )
[16:20] <kc2bez> We haven't moved yet but we do plan to do so. Right now our bridge between IRC and Matrix is down due to new freenode policies.
[17:24] <roobin303> witam
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[05:42] <cpatrick08> i was wanting to build unity from source in 12.04 and was wondering what would the instructions be to do it
[07:33] <trijntje> Quick question: is there a way to only search in a specific lens using keyboard only?
[07:34] <trijntje> For example: "files:report" would switch to the files lens and only show results for report that are files
[12:54] <didrocks> trijntje: you can use Super + F for directly switching to that lens
[13:44] <trijntje> didrocks: yeah, but I was talking about switching to any lens. As the number of lenses increases, it would be nice to have a simpley, keyboard driven way to restrict searches to a certain lens
[14:03] <davidcalle> trijntje, you could be interested in this bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/841835
[14:04] <davidcalle> trijntje, it's about displaying every lenses in a filter in the Home. And then restrict results by filtering.
[14:21] <trijntje> davidcalle: thanks for the link. It's not exactly what I was thinking about, but it's in the same direction
[14:23] <trijntje> with more and more people writing lenses, I want to have a way to search in a certain lens without having to navigate to that lens
[14:24] <davidcalle> trijntje, I understand. There are the keyboard shortcuts, but yeah, third party lenses shortcuts are not visible in the shortucts overlay.
[14:26] <davidcalle> You also have Alt+F1, right arrow.
[14:27] <trijntje> thats nice, I didn't even know that
[14:37] <trijntje> davidcalle: I've been thinking about this for a few days now, is there some preferred 'idea box' where the unity team is likely to see it?
[14:38] <trijntje> ubuntu brainstorm, a wishlist bug on launchpad, something else?
[14:38] <didrocks> trijntje: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ is what you want
[14:39] <davidcalle> trijntje, a bug report is the best place for this.
[14:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: no, the design mailing list, no bug for wishlist please :)
[14:39] <didrocks> or brainstorm
[14:39] <davidcalle> Nevermind, what didrocks says :)
[14:42] <trijntje> cool, thanks. I'll check out brainstorm and see if I can write down something coherent about this ;)
[16:44] <c10ud> hello, i'm watching dvb-t with VLC/vdpau with Unity 5.12 and i see compiz cpu usage is quite high..? http://postimage.org/image/j470awkjf/


[16:08] <slashd> marcustomlinson, I found the action : ACTION: cyphermox to update PPU for marcustomlinson, adding libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n . I'll ping cyphermox and see when he thinks he will make it
[16:09] <marcustomlinson> thanks slashd!
[16:09] <slashd> marcustomlinson, by now you should at least be part of the contribution developer team which I added you last week
[16:09] <slashd> the rest is in progress...
[16:30] <cyphermox> yes, sorry; this is a bit complicated to handle but I'll have it done today
[16:32] <slashd> marcustomlinson, ^
[16:33] <marcustomlinson> cyphermox: thank you :)


[11:17] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:35] <facubatista> jam, hello! in which situations you're running flake8 yourself, in charmcraft?
[11:35] <jam> morning facubatista
[11:35] <jam> when I have a typo, I'd generally run flake8 again to make sure it is correct (eg, just that check)
[11:36] <jam> that, and autopep8 runs whenever I save a file, which needs flake8 rules, though it only runs on the file that is modified
[11:36] <facubatista> jam, which editor do you use?
[11:36] <facubatista> it doesn't have integrated flake8?
[11:37] <facubatista> jam, in any case, I +1ed your PR
[11:38] <jam> Pycharm, it integrates via FileWatchers. It also gives warnings, etc built in. I'd still interact via the command line from time to time
[11:39] <jam> thanks
[11:40] <facubatista> jam, please remember my https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/93
[11:40] <mup> PR charmcraft#93: Store status <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/93>
[11:40] <jam> will do
[13:20]  * facubatista brb
[13:34]  * facubatista is back
[18:19] <alejdg> Hey folks, I got my jenkins-agent charm working fine when I deploy only 1 unit, but if I scale up, it starts to deploy multiple replicasets and more units than requested. I don't know why that's happening and I'd like to know if anyone has an idea.
[18:19] <alejdg> Another thing is that I'm using StoredState to save information, and that information is pertinent for a single unit. Because of that, I believe I need to set a different spec for each unit or maybe use secrets instead, but I'm not sure how to that.


[05:54] <alkisg> Hi, for translations, I have an automatic branch import from git://github.com/Epoptes/epoptes.git to https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/epoptes
[05:54] <alkisg> It currently fails to import, maybe because of some older git history rewrites using `git commit --amend; git push --force`.
[05:54] <alkisg> Any solutions? I'm not sure if I can delete and recreate it due to the associated translations...
[06:02]  * alkisg crosses fingers and recreates it...
[06:49] <alkisg> Recreating the branch worked fine, thanks :)


[13:44] <AskUbuntu_> relation error between nova-compute and nova cloud controller | http://askubuntu.com/q/277139
[14:46] <jcastro> m_3: so I hear you nailed -alternatives?
[14:48] <m_3> jcastro: yeah, it's working great... I want martin to take a look and then figure out what to do with the changelog and other official stuff to get it merged
[14:48] <mgz> jcastro: will want some testing, but looks reasonable
[14:48] <m_3> he might have a beter way to do it too
[14:48] <m_3> :)
[14:48] <m_3> mgz: only tested it on raring btw
[14:49] <m_3> mgz: welcome back!
[14:49] <mgz> well, we'll only do this for raring, so that much is fine
[14:49] <m_3> hope you had a decent long weekend
[14:49]  * m_3 wants one next weekend I think
[14:51] <mgz> m_3: was good, still have sis and baby niece around today as well
[14:52] <m_3> cool
[14:52] <jcastro> wow, the room for the OpenStack Charm Workshop holds like 320 people.
[14:52] <m_3> no way
[14:52] <jcastro> m_3: we'll have wired internet this time!
[14:52] <m_3> cool
[14:52] <jcastro> way.
[14:52] <m_3> oh, awesome
[14:54] <m_3> jcastro: I really still wanna combine #juju and #juju-dev
[14:55] <m_3> I don't think developer-speak will drive people away from the channel
[14:55] <jcastro> I agree, but mramm didn't want to change anything until at least 13.04+
[14:55] <jcastro> I can appreciate his concern, with the deadlines looming, etc.
[14:55] <m_3> yeah, understand
[14:55] <m_3> just looking towards the future ;)
[14:56] <jcastro> yeah, after that we just need to move cheney to the us
[14:56] <jcastro> and we'll be good
[15:00]  * m_3 is still holding out for an australian sprint
[15:00] <m_3> harumph
[15:43]  * m_3 coffee
[16:38] <Carletto> hi all
[16:41] <jcastro> arosales: charmworld guys are asking for confirmation on something
[16:41] <jcastro> arosales: the new terminology is "reviewed" and then everything else right?
[16:41] <jcastro> we're not doing "Community" and all those other labels iirc?
[16:43] <arosales> jcastro: correct "reviewed" is how I remember it for charms being in the charm store, and then nothing else for all others.
[16:43] <arosales> and correct, no "community" label
[17:04] <Carletto> someone Italian?
[17:08] <SpamapS> jcastro: still searching the archives, but I didn't see that term discussed on the mailing list.. :-P
[17:10] <jcastro> yeah I am just waiting for some UI thing to bring it up on the list
[17:11] <jcastro> SpamapS: I am also going to start publishing notes from each weekly call, etc.
[17:11] <jcastro> and probably recording them and putting them on youtube
[17:12] <SpamapS> jcastro: and inviting the "community" ?
[17:12] <jcastro> yeah
[17:12] <SpamapS> I mean, not that I'll have time to attend
[17:12] <SpamapS> but its the thought that counts ;)
[17:12] <jcastro> somehow the weekly call turned private, not on purpose
[17:12] <jcastro> we used to do them with like brandon and marco etc.
[17:13] <SpamapS> yeah I remember :)
[17:46]  * m_3 lunch
[18:08]  * marcoceppi lunch
[18:20] <sidnei> SpamapS: heya, still owning the packaging for charm-tools? had to fix a couple things to for the packaging to work with tip of lp:charm-tools, missing some build-deps mainly.
[18:20] <sidnei> well, and a billion pep8 errors on raring, due to the newer pep8, but im still going through those.
[19:01] <fss> hi everyone
[19:01] <fss> I'm having some troubles with zookeeper in one of our juju installation :-(
[19:03] <fss> zookeeper is eating all the available memory in one bootstrap machine, while in the other environment it uses less than 400MB of RAM. Both environments have about the same number of machines
[19:04] <fss> has anyone had this problem before?
[19:08] <andrewsmedina> hi
[19:09] <benji> fss: I haven't heard anything like that.  Have the two environments existed for the same length of time?  Have the two bootstrap nodes been up for the same amount of time?  I'm wondering if there is a leak somewhere.
[19:09] <hazmat> fss, can you check that debug-log is off
[19:10] <hazmat> fss, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5671415/
[19:11] <hazmat> fss, debug log left on can fill up space in quickly
[19:11] <hazmat> fss, out of curiosity how many machines in the env?
[19:11] <fss> hazmat: hmm, I see. thanks for the script. I will turn it off.
[19:12] <hazmat> fss, that script turns off the log entries but does not clear out the used space
[19:12] <fss> hazmat: does "juju debug-log" clears it?
[19:12] <fss> s/clears/clear/
[19:13] <fss> hazmat: about 10 running machines, but we create and destroy very frequently
[19:13] <fss> the machine "counter" is on 554
[19:13] <hazmat> fss, it does not
[19:14] <fss> hazmat: how can I clean it?
[19:14] <hazmat> fss, the logs are nodes in /logs
[19:14] <hazmat> fss, if you can check/verify that's the issue, i can add a flag to that off script to clear it
[19:15] <fss> hazmat: how can I inspect /logs on nodes? I'm a zookeeper noob :)
[19:16] <hazmat> fss ssh into bootstrap node and run /usr/share/zookeeper/bin/zkCli.sh   and then $ ls /logs
[19:16] <fss> hazmat: thanks
[19:17] <hazmat> fss,  hmm. actually $ get /logs should show the child count as part of the parent node properties without having to count the individual files
[19:18] <hazmat> there's also not much by way of garbage collection on older state/nodes (ie destroyed services / machines)
[19:18] <hazmat> but those are typically tiny.. under 1k each
[19:18] <fss> hazmat: good, because I'm not able to ls /logs, I get "connection loss" error. it's probably out of memory error again
[19:18] <fss> here's the get output
[19:19] <fss> numChildren = 684745
[19:19] <hazmat> yikes..
[19:19] <fss> (if I increase xmx I would possible be able to fix it, but it's already 1GB)
[19:19] <sidnei> :)
[19:20] <hazmat> zk only allows for 1mb packet size to the client by default, trying to do more than that will get that reconnection loss
[19:20] <hazmat> er connection loss
[19:20]  * hazmat ponders
[19:21] <fss> hazmat: I see
[19:21] <fss> hazmat: what's the proper way to cleanup these log entries?
[19:23] <hazmat> there isn't a proper tool for it. its a bug.  deleting the nodes under /logs would do it.. but if you can't get the node names..
[19:24] <fss> S:
[19:24] <fss> :S
[19:25] <sidnei> maybe you can infer the node names to purge from the !active ones
[19:25] <hazmat> i think its a sequence
[19:25] <hazmat> so should be able to iterate on delete commands to the seuqence
[19:26] <fss> is it possible to increase that 1MB packet size limit?
[19:26] <hazmat> fss, yes, but it needs recompilation
[19:26] <fss> oh boy
[19:28] <hazmat> fss, got a solution, but in meeting, will need 30m to code up
[19:32] <fss> hazmat: oh, thanks. I can wait. I will keep trying something else
[21:45] <hazmat> fss, --reset option to kill the logs.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5671870/
[21:45] <hazmat> oh.. he's gone.
[21:47]  * hazmat emails
[21:48] <sidnei> hazmat: was about to say. :) also does that delete all the logs unconditionally?
[21:50] <hazmat> sidnei, it does
[21:50] <hazmat> sidnei, honestly storing logs in zk is particularly bad..
[21:50] <hazmat> juju-core i think is setting up syslog as remote target
[21:50] <sidnei> yeah, no idea how it works. just wondering if that will break something else
[21:50] <hazmat> sidnei, the logs still exist on disk everywhere
[21:50] <sidnei> yup, i saw the commit for using syslog passing by
[21:51] <hazmat> sidnei, yeah.. just updated the script.. to reset the parent block pointer to update the last seen index for the cli tool
[21:51] <hazmat> in this version, also emailed out http://paste.ubuntu.com/5671892/
[21:52] <sidnei> ah, cool
[22:31] <sidnei> m_3: ping! https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-pqm-team/ubuntu/raring/charm-tools/raring/+merge/156710 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-pqm-team/charm-tools/trunk/+merge/156709
[22:32] <sidnei> successfully built at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-pqm-team/+recipe/charm-tools-daily
[22:44] <m_3> sidnei: hey
[22:47] <m_3> sidnei: I don't have permission to push to that cause it's distro I guess
[22:47] <m_3> sidnei: lemme see what the difference it
[22:47] <m_3> is
[22:48] <m_3> we might have to submit them against lp:charm-tools first... not sure
[22:48] <m_3> -vs- lp:ubuntu/charm-tools
[22:49] <sidnei> m_3: the latter is the packaging branch (the debian/* stuff), the former is the 'upstream' branch
[22:50] <m_3> sidnei: yeah, just found the right ones... the initial MPs linked to the ubuntu one
[22:51] <m_3> lemme merge
[22:51] <sidnei> cool
[22:53] <m_3> sidnei: do you have permissions to push to the packaging branch?
[22:53] <m_3> sidnei: the changes are approved, but I can't push to that one
[22:54] <sidnei> m_3: i don't. maybe SpamapS?
[22:54] <m_3> clint's the only one that I know of
[22:54] <m_3> we can probably get somebody to sponsor it, but it might take a bit
[22:54] <m_3> SpamapS: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-pqm-team/ubuntu/raring/charm-tools/raring/+merge/156710
[22:56] <SpamapS> m_3: about to step out for the day, don't think I'll be able to get to it until tomorrow
[22:57] <sidnei> tomorrow is fine thanks!
[22:57] <m_3> SpamapS: np, thanks man
[22:59] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: its need reboot the zookeeper after delete logs?
[23:01] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, the purgeTxnLogs cron job (from the zk pkg) should get run. but afaik .. no restart
[23:01] <m_3> sidnei: lp:charm-tools is updated... it'll start passing again once the packaging updates land
[23:01] <hazmat> i don't know how aggressive it is about releasing memory.. probably some jvm tuning
[23:01] <m_3> sidnei: thanks btw!
[23:01] <hazmat> its not keeping additional versions in memory, it is keeping them on disk in the txn logs which is why the purge script is useful
[23:02] <sidnei> m_3: thank you!
[23:04] <fss> i'm back
[23:04] <fss> hazmat: i saw your email when I was in the bus, thanks for the help! :)
[23:06] <fss> hazmat: I will take a look tomorrow, it's on vpc, I can't access it from home. I could use an elastic ip, but we have a temporary solution, it can wait
[23:09] <sidnei> fss, andrewsmedina: did you guys ever try jitsu import/export, and do you have the need for it or something similar to it in tsuru?
[23:11] <fss> sidnei: nope, we never tried it. Actually, I don't know what it does. Is it used for exporting and importing environments between cloud providers?
[23:12] <sidnei> fss: roughly yes. im looking for something that can take (charms, configs, relations, constraints, number of units) and either build a complete environment from scratch or update an already-running one.
[23:13] <sidnei> jitsu import does handle the 'from scratch' part, but im not sure it handles updating an existing environment to match the import file, hazmat?
[23:15] <andrewsmedina>     content, stat = client.get("/logs")
[23:15] <fss> sidnei: that would be cool
[23:15] <andrewsmedina> exceptions.TypeError: iteration over non-sequence
[23:15] <hazmat> sidnei, it can be imported into an existing non-conflicting env (conflicts detected and aborted)
[23:15] <hazmat> whoops
[23:15] <hazmat> andrewdeane, add a yield to before client
[23:15] <hazmat> 'yield'
[23:16] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: ok
[23:16] <hazmat> actually hold on.. i should check the rest of that script
[23:16] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, fixed version http://paste.ubuntu.com/5672062/
[23:16] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: it works :)
[23:17] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, it doesn't...
[23:17] <fss> andrewsmedina: \o/
[23:17] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: its removing 685132 logs :p
[23:17]  * fss zzzzzzz
[23:17] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, not without the second version.. its not waiting on the op completion.. so its issuing a bunch of deletes without waiting on the results..
[23:17] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: I added the yield
[23:17] <hazmat> it should still clear out some stuff, and its not harmful.. but you should run the second version
[23:18] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, there where a few yields missing.. diff to that second pastebin
[23:18] <hazmat> but that should clear out the memory
[23:18] <hazmat> don't forget to clear out the txn logs
[23:18] <hazmat> if your close to disk full
[23:18] <sidnei> hazmat: yeah, looking at the source seems like it's pretty specific, and would depend on pyjuju
[23:19] <hazmat> sidnei, yeah.. i've got on my task/todo list to update juju-deployer2 for juju-core.. as the openstack deploys are using it instead of import/export jitsu style
[23:19] <hazmat> its much closer to pure cli usage so should work with both
[23:20] <sidnei> hazmat: is there a juju-deployer2 already? :)
[23:20] <hazmat> with the advent of the juju-core api publicly things like that should be easier
[23:20] <hazmat> what import/export are doing that is
[23:20] <hazmat> sidnei, not yet.. was waiting on maas provider for jcore
[23:20] <hazmat> else its non-urgent/fun task
[23:21] <sidnei> hazmat: i got it very high on my list to rewrite juju-deployer with tests
[23:21] <hazmat> sidnei, when you say update existing env.. what do you mean?
[23:21] <hazmat> like change config, change charm versions.. change charm origins?
[23:22] <hazmat> ie more of a sync than import
[23:23] <sidnei> hazmat: yes, something along these lines. with an eye towards service-swap (deploy charm as service-1; on sync deploy charm as service-2 and move relation from service-1 to service-2)
[23:24] <hazmat> sidnei, with both s-1 and s-2 defined in the state file ?
[23:25] <sidnei> hazmat: haven't got to that part yet, but i think nope. it would be defined as 'service' in the state file, the versioning would be a flag.
[23:26] <sidnei> maybe sync --rolling-swap=service or something
[23:27] <sidnei> or maybe it's defined as a policy in the state file, and it's always done as a rolling swap whenever there are changes to 'service' to be synced
[23:28] <hazmat> fss, andrewsmedina you guys good?
[23:28] <hazmat> sidnei, not really seeing that.. cause else it could just be a charm upgrade away
[23:28] <hazmat> sidnei, else why throw away state.. ie. what if its a db
[23:28] <fss> hazmat: I think so
[23:29] <hazmat> fss, memory usage down?
[23:29] <sidnei> hazmat: what if you need to change constraints? move from m1.small to m1.large? or can that be done just by setting constraints on an existing service and add/remove nodes?
[23:30] <fss> hazmat: andrewsmedina is running the script, looks like the memory usage drop 1/3 (from about 1G to about 650M)
[23:30] <hazmat> fss, excellent
[23:30] <hazmat> sidnei, you can do that on ec2 without killing things..
[23:30] <hazmat> sidnei, stop, modify instance attr, start..
[23:31] <hazmat> i mean there always a place for rolling.. with canaries.. esp for image deploys..
[23:31] <hazmat> but there are other ways to skin that cat
[23:32] <fss> hazmat: thank you :-)
[23:33] <sidnei> hazmat: yeah, i think canaries is actually what im after
[23:33] <sidnei> hazmat: can you expand on other ways to skin that cat? :)
[23:34] <sidnei> (dinner will check backlog later)
[23:34]  * hazmat does the same


[10:52] <dreamcat4> hi MrAureliusR. I am also experiencing a similar issue from time to time. not sure what is causing it
[10:52] <dreamcat4> keep a terminal window open somewhere at all times
[10:53] <dreamcat4> $ nohup budgie-wm --replace &
[10:53] <dreamcat4> will save you from having to logout each time. and will keep your applications open
[11:15] <MrAureliusR> interestingly it's not budgie-wm that's locking up
[11:16] <MrAureliusR> it's budgie-panel
[22:04] <bashfulrobot> MrAureliusR: Come join us at https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/
[22:04] <bashfulrobot> We can help you out over there
[22:04] <MrAureliusR> aight
[22:05] <MrAureliusR> where should I post?
[22:08] <bashfulrobot> I would post in "budgie decktop" category
[22:08] <bashfulrobot> MrAureliusR: ^^
[22:42] <MrAureliusR> okay, just posted bashfulrobot
[22:43] <bashfulrobot> MrAureliusR: Good stuff! You will get a better response there (whole team and community are generally around to help). I mostly monitor here to make sure people do not message on deaf ears.