[00:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5ee040a2c782: Update libreoffice version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5ee040a2c782
[02:50] <piercedwater> hello
 Hello
 Does your calamares do full disk encryption?
 @RikMills [Does your calamares do full disk encryption?], Yes, boot is encrypted along with the rest of the drive using LUKS. There is a tick box on the erase disk option for encryption.
 Found it :)
 It uses LUKS1 and no LVM
 ^^
 Right. I was taking with Neon, and it was said switch to cala would lose full disk encryption. So not the case to a limited degree
 Overall I think this is good and I like the music choice on this version much better. I do think it can be improved though … The second box of text should be reversed. Dark text and outlines instead of the light approach like the first one was. … The Lubuntu logo in the beginning looks jammed in like it's squished. … The powere
 Sorry
 Hmm alright :)
 🤜                   🤛 … Social distancing first bump ^^
 I also suggest "for the people, by the people" instead of the reverse order. … I would also put "Community Developed" in front of that to signify what is meant
 😎🍄
[17:28] <wxl> oh sometimes i can't help but laugh https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/after-fresh-install-diff-not-found/867
[17:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl you have any idea why libreoffice-core-nogui is being installed? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/471763019/buildlog_ubuntu_focal_amd64_lubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:03] <wxl> if anyone saw the complainy discourse post about the calamares bug here's what the next step is https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1334
[18:08] <RikMills> wxl: the libreoffice situation is being sorted
[18:09] <wxl> k thx
[18:10] <RikMills> a new libreoffice that fixes the depends should be building
[18:11] <RikMills> all flavour ISOs crashed and burned
[18:11] <RikMills> LP: #1869652
[18:12]  * RikMills pokes the bot
[18:12] <RikMills> ok https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu-mate
[18:12] <RikMills> that failed as well
[18:13] <kc2bez> bug 1869652
[18:13] <RikMills> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1869652
[18:14] <kc2bez> what up bot?
[18:14] <kc2bez> nuked that too I guess
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl you have any idea why libreoffice-core-nogui is being installed …], maybe becasue "? Unknown dependency libreoffice-core-nogui (= 1:6.4.2-0ubuntu2) by libreoffice-base-core"
[18:19] <wxl> @HMollerCl sorry to wake you up it's all good :)
 jaja, ok
 btw, I tested lo 7.0 master 21mar build and the cairo issue is solved
[18:20] <wxl> cool
 @HMollerCl [maybe becasue "? Unknown dependency libreoffice-core-nogui (= 1:6.4.2-0ubuntu2) …], the nogui packages are in universe, and the main ones are in main, which makes germinate freak!
 both packages are handled by the same team?
 they are produced by the same sourc
 not all binaries produced from a source in main have to be in main
 which is a bit mind bending!
 at first
 anyway, the libreoffice building now is meant to fix it.
[21:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL51569ce0c17a: Update firefox-screenshot.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL51569ce0c17a
 Rudra The command line typo is fixed in the master branch and is set to be fixed for 20.04 I can't really cherry pick that fix that easily
[22:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALae38cd78a9a8: Update prefrenceshome.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALae38cd78a9a8
[23:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL449a6c1a7ae2: Update firefox-downloads.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL449a6c1a7ae2
[23:49] <kc2bez> @lynorian I can confirm our earlier conversation. When using Rufus in Windows selecting NTFS results in a install failure. Rufus and Fat32 proceed without issue.


[00:33] <ParkerR> If anybody is running a Trusty image on a 2012 nexus 7, could you post what uname -a rturns to you?
[00:33] <ParkerR> *returns
[02:59] <divxclub> Hi Geeks !
[03:43] <SahRckr> Ubuntu touch , can i use android+ubuntu side by side
[03:45] <SahRckr> Anyone?
 Ubuntu touch , can i use android+ubuntu side by side
 Anyone?
[05:38] <ParkerR> * CEnnis91 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
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[05:38] <ParkerR> The google was too much for him
[05:52] <Barm> Can someone help me? My nexus 4 doesn't boot after using ubuntu touch for just under a day
[05:52] <Littu> I would like to know where could I get ubuntu touch, it could be nice if you could send me the link to download it
[05:53] <Barm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[05:56] <Littu> Am using nexus 7 2012 version without sim
[05:57] <Littu> Running with 4.4.2 KitKat
[05:57] <Littu> So which one could I download for my tablet
[06:00] <Barm> They no longer support 1012 edition
[08:24] <Amiko> Is there anyway to compile full Ubuntu Touch (like AOSP?)
[09:28] <Mirv> mhall119: re: qt 5.2/saucy(+precise), check with zoltan about that regarding planning. I started with it for a few packages but it's currently on halt.
[13:31] <flo__> is there a preinstalled-touch-flo.img
[13:37] <ubilli> hi gues
[16:59] <mathhew> hello
[17:06] <tshirtman> hi
[17:06] <tshirtman> i'm thinking of trying that dualboot on my nexus4 phone
[17:06] <tshirtman> is this a good™ idea? i'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Installation
[17:07] <tshirtman> i do have adb and stuff installed, since i do android dev, but i'm not sure about the steps for "Download the Android firmware you are running on your device onto your PC. " (in "if anything goes wrong")
[17:08] <Guest83294> hi i like to flash my phone with ubuntu phone. my phone is  alcatel V860
[17:08] <tshirtman> (better safe than sorry, i had 2 very nasty days every time i flashed something on my previous android phone, that's why i'm still on stock on the n4 :])
[17:09] <cjwatson> If your phone is already rooted it's not too bad
[17:09] <cjwatson> I found the process of backing up, rooting, restoring, and fixing up all the things that the backup didn't much more arduous than installing Ubuntu afterwards
[17:10] <cjwatson> Oh and clearing out enough space ...
[17:11] <cjwatson> It's mainly for people interested in developing Ubuntu for phones at the moment though; for instance system image upgrades aren't quite in place yet so the upgrade procedure is uninstall then install newer image (but it keeps user data)
[17:11] <cjwatson> Still a ton faster than developing in the emulator for me, though :)
[17:12] <tshirtman> it's rooted, yes, and still on 4.3 because of that (apparently an update is failing to pass), and i did more than 5 gigs of space, so should be ok on this side
[17:12] <tshirtman> i want to give a kick at porting kivy to ubuntu phone, so it's better to have the real thing than emulator, too
[17:12] <cjwatson> Definitely
[17:12] <timppa> cjwatson: Do you know about the ~Ringtones folder? Should it work with latest build?
[17:13] <cjwatson> Haven't a clue, sorry
[17:14] <cjwatson> I work on specific things, none of them are anywhere near ringtones :-)
[17:14] <timppa> what is your specific thing? :)
[17:15] <cjwatson> Well, lots of things elsewhere in Ubuntu, but for the purposes of this channel, click is mainly my fault
[17:16] <timppa> ok
[17:46] <anil> Hi ..I wan ubuntu phablet on Nexus7 to boot with with  fbconsole support . I successfully recompiled kernel with TTY & FB Console enable support and also passed kernel argument console=/dev/fb0 through kernel .config .. unfortunately, device is not booting up with new kernel
[17:46] <anil> logs show there is kernel panic
[17:46] <anil> [    2.423145] Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 000c8000 [    2.423153] pgd = c0004000 [    2.423159] [000c8000] *pgd=00000000 [    2.423171] Internal error: Oops: 805 [#1] PREEMPT SMP ARM [    2.423180] Modules linked in: [    2.423190] CPU: 0    Not tainted  (3.4.0-6-manta #24-Ubuntu) [    2.423208] PC is at cfb_imageblit+0x150/0x1e8 [    2.423220] LR is at vprintk+0x3d8/0x46c [    2.423228] pc : [<c02d
[17:47] <anil> can anybody provide inputs how I can resole this issue
[17:56] <devslash> is it true that the gsm galaxy nexus isn't support on ubuntu touch any more ?
[17:59] <devslash> is anyone here ?
[17:59] <mathhew> hello
[18:02] <Obelisk> Hello
[18:04] <tshirtman> is this the right place for UX suggestion for the dualboot app? the interface really made me though something was wrong, because no info in anything, and the button to select the flavor to install was grey, i pushed it after a few seconds anyway, but was surprised it was actually all fine and what i was expected to do
[18:05] <Obelisk> Looks like there is a link at the top for reporting bugs
[18:05] <Obelisk> I don't really know though
[18:06] <tshirtman> oh, i guess i should teach irssi to use multiple lines for long /topic lines, instead of cutting them
[18:11] <Obelisk> I have no idea what you just said
[18:13] <Obelisk> Would anyone here be able to assist with importing contacts?>
[18:14] <Obelisk> I know how to do it but my device doesn't think there is an address book
[18:15] <tshirtman> translation: /topic is the place you named "at top", and irssi is an irc client, it's very nice, but still has a few quirks like this :)
[18:15] <Obelisk> Ahh oaky
[18:18] <timppa> Obelisk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360554/how-do-i-sync-google-contacts
[18:19] <Obelisk> Appreciate it my googlefu failed me on this one
[18:23] <Obelisk> The problem I'm running into is that my password uses $ sign so it ruins any command that I input that includes my password
[18:24] <timppa> I don't know but try putting single quotes around password
[18:25] <Obelisk> No same issue, is there a switch I can use to ignore $ in commands?
[18:25] <timppa> nope :/
[18:26] <timppa> try double quotes.. Or change the password :)
[18:26] <tshirtman> are there "" around the place you put that $?
[18:26] <tshirtman> if so, replace them with ''
[18:26] <Obelisk> Thanks I'll try that
[18:32] <cwayne> try escaping it with \ maybe?
[18:35] <Obelisk> I appreciate the help I got it working now the ' instead of
[18:35] <Obelisk> " fixed it
[18:37] <tshirtman> Obelisk: great :)
[18:42] <Obelisk> Ahh contacts...now I can know who's talking to me
[19:33] <mathhew> does anyone know if there is going to be an "ubuntu one" app for ubuntu touch?
[20:21] <basketball> anyone have ubuntu touch running on nexus 7 2013
[20:27] <timppa> yes
[20:28] <basketball> how is it
[20:28] <timppa> depends :) It's working pretty good
[20:29] <basketball> is it ready to replace android
[20:29] <timppa> also depends, what are you using with android?
[20:31] <basketball> games music videos internet
[20:31] <timppa> music is ok, as are videos and internet
[20:31] <timppa> there aren't that many games available
[20:32]  * tshirtman trying it on the n4, will put it on the n7 too soon
[20:33] <basketball> does it void asus warrenty
[20:33] <tshirtman> there are missing things, no lock screen is quite an issue for me
[20:33] <tshirtman> ah, warranties… well, you need to root the device…
[20:34] <basketball> why no lock screen
[20:34] <tshirtman> well, i didn't find anything about this in settings
[20:35] <tshirtman> i mean, the "lock screen" has no password, or any protection, it unlocks by swipe only
[20:35] <basketball> why???
[20:35] <tshirtman> i guess nobody implemented any lock
[20:36] <tshirtman> or maybe it's not stable enough yet to put it by default
[20:36] <basketball> well conocial implement it
[20:36] <basketball> tshirtman,  will it be at stable rellease
[20:36] <tshirtman> i'm just an user
[20:36] <basketball> timppa,  why not a lot of games
[20:36] <timppa> I'm sure that there will be a pin lock someday
[20:36] <tshirtman> because it's a young platform?
[20:36] <timppa> yes :)
[20:37] <basketball> i am learning how to code and then i will make apps and become rich muahahaha
[20:38] <timppa> basketball: you do that! :) But be sure to code apps to ubuntu touch! :D
[20:38] <basketball> na i will apple and have to pay 100 a year instead of free with ubuntu touch
[20:41] <basketball> brb reboot pc
[20:48] <basketball> back
[20:50] <Guest97778> does anyone know if there is going to be an "ubuntu one" app for ubuntu touch?
[20:50] <timppa> there is the webapp
[20:51] <Guest97778> I was looking for more of a client app, similar to ubuntu one on the ubuntu desktop.
[20:53] <timppa> I don't about the plans on one but hopefully yes, some day
[20:56] <Guest97778> so nothing currently being developed?
[20:57] <nhaines> Guest97778: nope.
[20:58] <Guest97778> oh, ok.
[20:59] <gerlowskija> Hi all. I'm interested in contributing to Touch, but I don't own a tablet/can't afford to buy one to test changes/releases.  Can anyone chime in on how solid the Touch emulator is to develop/test on?  Anything I should know before I try starting out?
[21:00] <nhaines> gerlowskija: the first run is very, very slow to start.  After that it's a lot faster.  :)
[21:01] <nhaines> And the x86 emulator is coming along and should be ready for prime time in a month.  And so is the Unity8/Mir preview session for your computer.
[21:01] <nhaines> gerlowskija: besides all that, everything just works very well on the desktop with the SDK, so even that's a good way to get things up and running.
[21:06] <chouijndaoren> where can i get the image for Tf101
[21:08] <gerlowskija> nhaines: Oh cool, thanks for the heads up on the emulator slow-ness the first time around.  Now that I know I'm good-to-go on that route..any suggestions on how to get started?  Should I grab a bug to investigate, pick an app to focus on, etc.?  Any suggestions anyone?
[21:08] <Guest97778> I have installed the ubuntu SDK (Qt Creator 2.8.1), I am running ubuntu 13.10. But I see that QT creator 3.0 has been released. If I am looking at developing for ubuntu touch, should I be using the lastest Qt creator (i.e 3.0)?
[21:18] <nhaines> gerlowskija: Sure, next week is the Core Apps Hack Days, so there's going to be a lot of help here and in #ubuntu-app-devel for that.
[21:18] <nhaines> So until then, I'd say just take a look at your favorite app and poke around at the code.
[21:19] <nhaines> You can run them all on your desktop: http://popey.com/blog/2014/03/21/running-core-apps-on-the-desktop/
[21:19] <nhaines> And you can bzr branch any app from Launchpad.
[21:23] <gerlowskija> sweet, can't wait till next week then : )
[21:24] <nhaines> Guest97778: install the Ubuntu SDK PPA.  That'll make sure you're running the latest QT Creator and all associated other things. :)
[21:24] <nhaines> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[21:27] <Guest97778> nhaines: ah ok, I don't think I have added all of these ppa's. Will try this now. Thanks.
[21:27] <nhaines> Guest97778: yeah, if you're not on the current development release, that's the way to do it.
[21:28] <nhaines> Guest97778: And once Ubuntu 14.04 is released, I'll have to do the same thing if I don't switch to trusty+1.  :)
[21:46] <Guest97778> nhaines: I have added the ppa's and installed the SDK, but it is still 2.8.1
[21:50] <nhaines> Guest97778: that's what you'll want to use then.
[21:51] <nhaines> Remember, the Ubuntu SDK stuff is integrated into QT Creator.  So they get updated together.   :)
[21:53] <Guest97778> nhaines: Ok, I thought that I might of needed to some how get QT Creater 3.0 for QT 5.2 for ubuntu touch trusty development.
[21:54] <nhaines> Guest97778: It's good that you asked, but now that you have the PPAs installed you won't have to worry about being up to date.  :)


[08:00] <ropeist> Hi! I'm running Ubuntu Vivid Beta on a Samsung notebook. Todays update kernel made the notebook unable to boot up (black screen), however, with the previous kernel, everything is alright. Should I report a bug, or should I assume that the developers are aware of the problem?
[08:50] <southwest> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/1287296 hello, how is it possible this bug is still active? It's a default GUI option that fails to work. I just tested it with the daily 15.04, and the bug is still there.
[14:01] <hggdh> southwest: well, for how it is possible: did you fix it?
[16:43] <teward> hggdh: do we have a third party repository tag anywhere?
[16:43] <teward> or can we just add one
[16:43] <teward> I ask this because, especially with the nginx package, there's conflicts out the wazoo when mixing Ubuntu / PPAs I maintain, and upstream repos :/
[16:44] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1440363  being the latest in an infinitely long line of these problems which aren't fixable in Ubuntu
[16:53] <hjd> teward: There's third-party-packages (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=third-party-packages). I'm not 100% sure on what this tag is used for though, nor is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags, so you may be looking for something else.
[16:53] <teward> hjd: looking for third-party-repository if one exists, the bug in question thinks they can go from Ubuntu/Debian packaging -> upstream packaging without issue, and it's broke
[16:53] <teward> i'll use third-party-packages in the mean time
[16:53] <teward> thnaks
[20:19] <southwest> hggdh: wish i could, i can't program


[09:42] <vish> kwwii: hi ,  topic still has old link to /VisualIdentity... maybe we can point it to > http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/  ..
[10:27] <kwwii> vish: hey, good morning
[10:28] <kwwii> vish: lol, right
[10:28] <kwwii> thnx
[10:28] <vish> np.. morning
[10:28] <vish> kwwii: any idea who did the kubuntu boot splash?  : http://digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/plymouth4.png  the logo seems off centered
[10:29] <vish> the "kubuntu" and the dots..
[10:29] <vish> http://www.indigo-bird.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/boot.png  ubuntu centers the word with the dots..
[10:30] <kwwii> vish: feel free to change the topic yourself :-)
[10:30] <kwwii> hrm, not sure who made it
[10:31] <vish> oh!  ;)
[10:31] <kwwii> but I can ask riddell
[10:31] <vish> kwwii: that would be great , thanks
[10:31] <kwwii> the logo itself was made in cooperation with the design team
[10:31] <kwwii> I bet it was roman or someone else
[10:33] <vish> \o/
[10:33] <kwwii> vish: nixternal made it
[10:34] <vish> kwwii: oh cool , thanks
[10:56] <kwwii> vish: if you want to talk to someone about that, join #kubuntu-devel
[10:58] <vish> kwwii: just joined..
[18:48] <Shnatsel> Hello everyone! I'm trying to make Ambiance theme support panel transparency and add several tweaks to it. It contains a metacity-1/gconf-settings.sh file, (obviously) containing some GConf settings in a shell script, but it's linked to Metacity, and I need some GTK-related GConf tweaks as well. For some mysterious reason Radiance doesn't contain anything like that and works exactly the same. Where can I get documentation about inclu
[18:48] <Shnatsel> ding such scripts?
[18:50] <Shnatsel> I tried asking Google but found nothing
[18:53] <thorwil> Shnatsel: hi. i wouldn't be surprised if it isn't documented at all.
[18:54] <Shnatsel> I always knew that Canonical sometimes uses super-secret free software tricks from another dimension :)
[18:55] <thorwil> heh
[18:57] <Shnatsel> Corresponding theme files contain no references to it. Actually, I'm not sure if that script is triggered at all, but I hope it's placed there on purpose
[18:58] <thorwil> Shnatsel: kwwii would be the man to talk to. in case he doesn't show up now, try asking during london office hours
[18:58] <Shnatsel> Thanks! I'll try.
[19:04] <Shnatsel> Looks like it's not triggered on changing themes. But how does Clearlooks theme work then?
[19:20] <ejat> hi kwwii .. r u here?
[19:28] <vish> ejat: just shoot , when he is around he'll reply :)
[19:29] <ejat> owh ok .. i think i solve it .. miss adding the sourcelist .. make the 404 error occurs ..
[19:29] <ejat> vish: thanks
[19:29] <vish> ejat: yeah , several got those errors :)
[19:30] <ejat> need to add the private :)
[19:35] <vish> hrmm, the new fonts are seriously making it difficult to focus..
[19:37] <dashua> vish, I tried that black marker version last month and went back to Liberation Sans in minutes.  Looked good for docs though.
[19:38] <vish> the bold are probably are still in the works.
[19:38] <dashua> market*
[19:39] <vish> hehe , the OMG black market :D
[19:39] <dashua> Ha yeah


[08:21] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:21] <davmor2> Morning ara
[14:56] <ara> davmor2: ping
[14:57] <davmor2> pong
[14:57] <ara> davmor2: we are going to do a bit of testcase migration for the next couple of hours (the whole qa team at berlin). can you please be around to send assignments and help us as we go?
[14:58] <davmor2> testing netboot but yeah.  I think the best bet will be to work on the apps.
[15:09] <davmor2> ara: I've mostly finished the installers and have just got to modify the last few.
[15:10] <davmor2> ara: heno put a new template linked to from the new wiki home page
[15:17]  * ara editing /Applications to add links
[15:28]  * ara moves Ubuntu/Applications/DiskUsageAnalyzer to /Applications/DiskUsageAnalyzer
[15:36] <bdmurray> so Testing/Cases/Apport already exists should it stay in that name space or move to System/Apport ?
[15:39] <davmor2> bdmurray: the apport would need to move to system.  You might then need to just update it to include any new feature and how to use them
[15:41] <bdmurray> Rename doesn't show up in the More Actions menu
[15:41] <davmor2> schwuk: ^
[15:43] <davmor2> schwuk: don't worry I forgot I can do it D'oh
[15:48]  * ara moves /Ubuntu/Applications/Terminal to /Applications/Terminal and reformats
[15:48] <davmor2> ara, schwuk: am I missing something I rename the page System/Apport that should be enough to move the page too shouldn't it?
[15:49] <ara> davmor2: yes
[15:49] <ara> davmor2: but not between wikis
[15:49] <ara> davmor2: only internally
[15:51] <davmor2> I forgot to put the link in D'oh
[15:52] <davmor2> bdmurray: there you go dude
[16:03]  * ara moves Ubuntu/Applications/GEdit to /Application/TextEditor
[16:04] <davmor2> meh wasn't expect heno to be working on the installers :D
[16:05] <bdmurray> Is System/Apport properly formatted now?
[16:07] <davmor2> bdmurray: I added the ##startcases and ##endcases looks okay though
[16:07] <davmor2> ta
[16:10] <bdmurray> Does editmoin work w/ testcases for anyone?
[16:13] <davmor2> bdmurray: pass schwuk is main admin and ara next they'll be the best people to ask
[16:13] <ara> bdmurray: I haven't tried it myself
[16:19] <davmor2> ara, bdmurray: I just realise you used the whole name for the apport testcase aren't we only using 3 letters?
[16:20] <ara> bdmurray: it wasn't me :D
[16:20] <bdmurray> I've no idea
[16:20] <ara> bdmurray: we use a 3 letter code per application
[16:20] <ara> i.e. apport would be app-001 for the first testcase
[16:20] <bdmurray> schwuk: editmoin is failing with testcases.qa.ubuntu.com due to a connection time out
[16:20] <bdmurray> okay, fixing
[16:21] <ara> bdmurray: are you trying to reach t.q.u.c via https:// ?
[16:21] <ara> bdmurray: becuase it wouldn't work
[16:22] <bdmurray> okay, that's better too
[16:26] <sbeattie> So where should the server app testcases go? Applications? System?
[16:27] <sbeattie> (e.g. LAMP, postgres, postfix/mail)
[16:28] <davmor2> hmmmm
[16:29] <davmor2> sbeattie: I'd be inclined to say that the amp bit of lamp were all applications of the server edition
[16:30] <davmor2> check with heno to be certain but I would go for apps we can always move them
[16:31] <mathiaz> slangasek: -server amd64 is good.
[16:31]  * slangasek dances
[16:31] <sbeattie> hrm, okay, I can break out a separate applications page for each of the components, but the server team will want to make sure the aggregate tasksel selections get all the components; e.g. selecting LAMP gets apache, mysql, and php installed and running.
[16:32] <davmor2> slangasek: netboot ubuntu and kubuntu covered
[16:33] <slangasek> davmor2: thanks
[17:18] <davmor2> I'm off nn


[07:11] <head_victim> Just a quick question on the wiki light theme. Is it meant to ignore multi level lists (if you add a space before an * it will add an indented lower list item) and is it meant to be missing the Quick Links? I was going to file a bug but thought it best to ask first in case it's known and would save your time not having to deal with it there. It's no rush so I'll just hang about until someone has a chance to respond.
[12:37] <AlanChicken> head_victim: file a bug
[12:37] <AlanChicken> two bugs
[18:38] <head_victim> AlanChicken: Thanks, bugs 673661 & 673662 filed.
[18:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673661 in ubuntu-website "light-wiki ignores multi level lists (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673661
[18:44] <head_victim> If any more detail or info is needed just let me know.
[19:04] <newz2000> thanks head_victim
[19:40] <AlanBell> bug 673662]
[19:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673662 in ubuntu-website "light-wiki does not have a quick link list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673662
[23:19] <cjohnston> newz2000: ping
[23:19] <newz2000> cjohnston: hey
[23:19] <cjohnston> hey.. thoughts on bug 670927?
[23:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 670927 in ubuntu-website "Can not print the "Leadership Code Of Conduct" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670927
[23:20] <newz2000> Hmm, that's an interesting problem
[23:21] <newz2000> in my firefox it works fine
[23:21] <newz2000> beyond fine, it works superbly
[23:23] <cjohnston> dunno
[23:23] <newz2000> I agree: incomplete
[23:24] <cjohnston> Well.. Incomplete requires further info.. So it needs to eventually be marked invalid or confirmed...
[23:29] <newz2000> I think the policy of 30 days invalid = close works fine.
[23:30] <cjohnston> ok.. technically it could be invalid as the LCoC is being added to LP
[23:31] <newz2000> yeah, true
[23:31] <newz2000> You've got my support, whatever you think is best works for me
[23:35] <cjohnston> :-)
[23:39] <newz2000> I don't know what my wife is cooking but it's driving me crazy, I think I better head for food.
[23:40]  * newz2000 splits
[23:40] <cjohnston> cya


[13:26] <theadmin> Pardon me, but what's with ubottu? She seems to reply to people without anyone actually firing the factoids
[13:29] <AlanBell> if someone addresses ubottu directly she replies saying she is a bot, this is normal
[13:29] <AlanBell> ubottu: you do that don't you?
[14:55] <theadmin> Okay, she did it again (her reply and what seems to have triggered it shown on screenshot): http://i.imm.io/hia4.png -- I don't see anyone firing the factoid
[15:09] <AlanBell> theadmin: 14:54 < soreau> !info vlc
[15:09] <jussi> theadmin: you have soreau ignored.
[15:09] <AlanBell> that would be my guess too
[15:10] <theadmin> Ah yes I think that's the case >.< Sorry, didn't realize
[15:11] <theadmin> Thanks


[00:02] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'm trying it right now. So far it looks pretty good.
[00:40] <Eickmeyer> Annnd it passed tests with flying colors.
 @Sakrecoer, @azbulutlu: If either of you wants to join the party, have at it: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/403/builds
[08:32] <M_aD> Eickmeyer: downloading now
[09:53] <M_aD> Eickmeyer: the wallpaper seems to be a bit off https://i.postimg.cc/rFKPJ3fj/wallapaperubust.png
[12:25] <M_aD> bbl, doing a real install of 19.04
[13:01] <M_aD> i'm back, looking good so far
[13:03] <M_aD> except that i was wondering why the superkey hasn't been asigned as shortcut to open the whisker menu. Is it something we can add for the next release or do i need to report it to the xubuntu team?
[13:07] <bluesabre> M_aD: I think the reason we (xubuntu) haven't is that xfce keyboard shortcuts happen on keydown... so existing Super shortcuts would not be able to trigger unless your pressed both at exactly the same time
[13:11] <M_aD> so that's why ctrl + escape has been set as shortcut
[13:14] <M_aD> bluesabre: ok, makes sense :)
[13:15] <bluesabre> glad to help :)
[13:17] <M_aD> thanks
[14:09] <M_aD> little annoyance with 19.04, once the laptop screen turns blank or switches off it doesn't wake up anymore
[15:08] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: The wallpaper was developed for 16:9 screens, your screen appears to be 3:2. Unfortunately, it's too late to do anything about that.
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: As far as the wake-from-sleep issues, please file a bug and log that bug in the bug tracker.
[15:16] <M_aD> Eickmeyer: re wallpaper, ok, no problem. re bug report i guess that's on launchpad?
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Yeah, or in this case (since that seems to be a kernel issue), open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug linux". It will collect information that way and post the bug report.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> It'll eventually want a launchpad sign-in.
[15:23] <M_aD> thanks
[15:54]  * OvenWerks needs to study shortcuts more... cause he knows lots of people use them even if he doesn't
[16:12] <M_aD> superkey shortcut is actually the only one i use to open the menu
[16:24] <OvenWerks> M_aD: ok, that confuses me. whisker (or the old menu) are not that easy to navigate with keyboard... so short cut then mouse? or am I missing something?
[16:27] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: suggest we add a conflicts libremenu and alacart to ubuntustudio-menu
[16:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I see that one of the things people like to do is add a menu item. This is not a whole hog menu editor. Perhaps we could create a menu item creator...
[16:30]  * OvenWerks is aware that there is a commandline utility to do exactly that xdg-desktop-icon maybe?
[16:31] <OvenWerks> nope. xdg-desktop-menu
[16:33] <OvenWerks> Actually that would not help. It is for install use. You have to already have the desktop file.
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, add conflicts or not?
[21:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: yes but not before release. And we should create a menu add item applet.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> Similar to the xfce4 pannel add item


[12:27] <sitter> is kubuntu-debug-installer still used?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:00] <RikMills> sitter: I don't think it is used for some time
[14:12] <sitter> it'd be grand if someone took care of deprecating the sources on the KDE side when they are no longer used ;)
[14:12] <sitter> RikMills: without replacment I presume?
[14:15] <RikMills> sitter: I have never had anything to do with it, so was possibly dropped before I got involved. I don't even recall know it existed until not long ago
[14:20] <sitter> I too completely forgot it existed but presumably someone would have had to drop it from the seed at some point
[14:28] <sitter> huh. wouldn't you know it appears it only ever was dragged in by kde-runtime and eventually got lost in the move to plasma5
[14:29] <RikMills> ah, that makes sense
[14:29] <sitter> anyway. long story short I'm getting it marked unmaintained. and I'm kinda working on a replacement based on packagekit which you could opt to use https://invent.kde.org/sitter/drkonqi-pk-debug-installer
[14:30] <RikMills> interesting. thanks!


[10:54] <LFS> hey
[18:02] <jbicha> stgraber: I think upgrades will work now with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/1:3.6.2-0ubuntu8
[18:03] <jbicha> this is completely untested but I think you need something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784428/
[18:04] <stgraber> jbicha: so does that mean that we'll get both gnome-fallback and gnome-flashback under /usr/share/xsession or just gnome-fallback?
[18:05] <jbicha> just fallback
[18:05] <stgraber> right, then we need way less changes to edubuntu-live as it'll remain gnome-fallback in lightdm and ldm
[18:06] <stgraber> so only that commented line (which calls gnome-session) and the installer text would have to be changed
[18:08] <jbicha> I'm not sure, see also http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784488/
[18:28] <stgraber> jbicha: right, that's fine, that's gnome-session internal details, everything else refers to the xsession name


[00:00] <dobey> ps3/ps4 pad might work, but they pair via usb
[00:05] <popey> i tried a usb controller too via a usb to go adapter
[02:19] <juenn> hello! just want to ask if i will upgrade ubuntu 12 to 14 will it affect my installed web services? i have installed drupal on it
[02:25] <duflu> juenn: This would be the wrong channel. Try #ubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <zedroid> Hello! Is application from libertine allowed to interact with hardware? (Bluez with bluetooth hardware in my case)
[08:25] <Satyam2345> anyone here
[08:27] <zedroid> Maybe
[08:29] <zedroid> Regarding to the Chromium on libertine: I've found logs of Chromium upstart, problemis in the /proc/modules. libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:1638 kmod_module_new_from_loaded: could not open /proc/modules
[08:29] <zedroid> But I have no idea how to correct this
[09:21] <mcphail> popey: I knew you'd have tried :p
[09:37] <jgdx> dednick, ping
[09:37] <dednick> jgdx: hi
[09:39] <jgdx> dednick, hey, me and ahayzen are developing Printing (cups) bindings for ubuntu-print-app and ubuntu-system-settings. We really like to share most of it, so we've decided to put them in ubuntu-settings-components. This is just a heads up, as you may be asked to take a look. Also, if you think it may be outside the scope of u-s-c, please let us know.
[09:41] <jgdx> at this point, it's so large (the MP) that it may warrant its own package, but I'm not sure about these things
[09:41] <dednick> jgdx: ok!
[09:42] <dednick> jgdx: sounds like the correct project; but maybe having a separate package would be a good idea
[09:43] <jgdx> dednick, the only issue with that is that it will need a MIR, since (iirc) all of u-s-s's deps needs to be in main
[12:50] <Guest11492> Hey :-)
[12:51] <Guest11492> I’ve a problem with my Aquaris E5, maybe you can help me…
[12:52] <Guest11492> Yesterday I got a message “only little space left on device” two or three times, the phone became unresponsive and had to be rebooted hard.
[12:52] <Guest11492> I’ve deleted a folder and /userdata has now ~1.2 GB free space.
[12:53] <Guest11492> But today the wifi stopped working and upon reboot neither the SIMs nor the wifi can be enabled.
[12:53] <Guest11492> df -h shows that /android/system is 99% full, but I don’t know if that’s normal.
[12:54] <Guest11492> Btw.: /dev/loop0 is mounted read-only, maybe that’s a problem.
[12:54] <Guest11492> Any ideas?
[13:35] <rambo___> can i install ubunut in my yureka phone
[13:35] <davmor2> Guest11492: try rebooting now you have space again and the system might become correct
[13:36] <rambo___> Hi I have this mobile http://www.gsmarena.com/yu_yureka-6987.php  is it possible to install ubunut
[13:38] <rambo___> Hi I have this mobile http://www.gsmarena.com/yu_yureka-6987.php  is it possible to install ubunut
[13:42] <Guest11492> davmor2: I’ve rebooted several times. The heavy problems didn’t occur until today, I freed the space already yesterday.
[13:42] <davmor2> Guest11492: hmm not sure then
[13:44] <Guest11492> The phone is completely unusable right now, as I cannot use the phone neither any apps that require internet :-/
[13:45] <Guest11492> sorry: … can neither use the phone nor any apps …
[13:47] <Guest11492> Should I be able to use systemctl? Returns “Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted“ when run as root in the terminal.
[13:53] <taiebot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+bug/1659830
[17:31] <Guest11492> bye
[19:18] <n3rd_dude> Hi, I have two questions. #1. Is there a difference between Ubuntu for desktops (x86/arm) and Ubuntu for mobile devices? Specifically from the point of raw hardware access and native development capabilities?
[19:20] <n3rd_dude> #2. (Hopefully not an unusual question by now), is it possible to install on external sdcard and have uboot, boot by the bootloader on the NAND with Android still is? (Like some SBC's do. I understand the intricacies and requirements for this so a condensed form of the question is, can it be done in practice without touching the NAND?)
[19:21] <n3rd_dude> *where Android still is...
[19:25] <dobey> yes, ARM devices are not general purpose hardware, and drivers are typically closed source only, so specific images must be built for each supported device
[19:25] <NeKit> n3rd_dude, also Ubuntu Touch involves running stripped down Android system inside LXC container for reusing Android blobs
[19:26] <NeKit> #2 is possible as long as you have some means to boot Linux kernel
[19:26] <dobey> and no, the android bootloader doesn't boot off SD card normally, so you can't just throw stuff on an SD and expect it to boot
[19:27] <dobey> you would have to change enough of the phone, maybe in the NAND, to get booting off SD card to work
[19:27] <NeKit> some devices (not phones) could boot kernel from SD card though
[19:27] <n3rd_dude> Aha I see. So for starters, the headache the average hacker would have to endure to spin the generic arm Linux distro has been figured out by you guys? (Dunno much about LXC)
[19:28] <n3rd_dude> dobey, yeah not on mobile :)
[19:28] <n3rd_dude> And yeah, that's what I thought
[19:28] <dobey> well ubuntu has been ported to work on several phones and tablets, yes
[19:30] <n3rd_dude> The usual setup is, you have a bootloader (uboot?) in NAND already configured to look for uboot in sdcard first in most SBC's afaik. Probably not in phones hence the question :)
[19:30] <n3rd_dude> dobey, the documentation feels very safe and pretty much guarantees portability
[19:31] <n3rd_dude> What would I need to look out for when porting to a new device (on NAND, no fancy stuff)
[19:31] <dobey> every Small Block Chevy i've ever built, didn't have any software
[19:31] <NeKit> except that documentation doesn't cover lots of issues encountered when porting
[19:31] <n3rd_dude> XD
[19:31] <NeKit> n3rd_dude, what kind of device?
[19:31] <n3rd_dude> Nekit, exactly :P
[19:32] <n3rd_dude> What's more specific? SoC or device name?
[19:32] <NeKit> it makes sense when you have no way but to reuse Android components, like for phones/tablets
[19:32] <dobey> single board computers are a little different than phones/tablets, but depending on which one, perhaps not so much
[19:33] <n3rd_dude> SoC is either MTK6753 or the Helio P10 I believe it is (on the planned project device)
[19:33] <n3rd_dude> dobey, Nekit, true XD
[19:33] <n3rd_dude> To both :P simultaneously
[19:34] <dobey> if you have hardware that can use generic drivers already in the stock kernel, then yeah, just pointing uboot at the right thing with a standard arm install of ubuntu should work
[19:34] <dobey> pretty sure MTK doesn't fit that description though
[19:35] <n3rd_dude> Oh? :/ I actually didn't think I would have much of a problem installing as long as nothing happened to the recovery?
[19:35] <n3rd_dude> So mtk is about as fussy as everyone says?
[19:36] <dobey> if you have Android stuff to start with, i don't think you can use uboot anyway
[19:36] <dobey> you need to treat it like any other android device
[19:36] <n3rd_dude> The GPU is Mali and not PowerVR or SGX
[19:37] <n3rd_dude> that's one headache I know exists on the generic arm software eco
[19:37] <dobey> beyond "are the drivers free and in the stock kernel" the specific hardware doesn't much matter
[19:37] <n3rd_dude> dobey, oh?
[19:37] <n3rd_dude> Actually that's true. I keep forgetting that at the end of the day we're talking about an Android device
[19:38] <n3rd_dude> I've only worked with Archarm and SBC's so please pardon my ignorance :)
[19:39] <n3rd_dude> In the latter case Android bin blobs are a no no where support is concerned but I don't really care. I've just been programmed XD
[19:39] <n3rd_dude> Okay so, MTK whatever, issues or should I even try it?
[19:39] <NeKit> do you have full Android tree for your device?
[19:40] <dobey> if you don't have sane drivers already in the kernel, whether you think binary blobs are bad or not, is irrelevant. you will have to use them
[19:40] <dobey> and you will have to run a minimal set of android bits for the hal, to get things working
[19:41] <n3rd_dude> dobey, I know XD NeKit, the devices in question are budget devices with stock Android.
[19:42] <n3rd_dude> I'm slow. Sorry, I'm actually on Android ATM :P
[19:42] <NeKit> then prepare for a lot of troubles since likely they even don't have kernel sources released
[19:42] <n3rd_dude> dobey, you mean to say ubuntu touch doesn't run vanilla?
[19:43] <n3rd_dude> That it in fact needs a lot of...Mucking about? XD
[19:43] <NeKit> yes
[19:43] <dobey> n3rd_dude: it uses a modified kernel specific for each device, and has a small lxc container of android bits, which are necessary to make things work, on the phones/tablets
[19:43] <n3rd_dude> Nekit I'm doomed :P
[19:43] <n3rd_dude> Hmm I understand now
[19:43] <n3rd_dude> That it's a headache from the start XD
[19:44] <NeKit> no easy ways, sorry :)
[19:44] <dobey> if you want to use vanilla kernel, get an Intel Atom or something
[19:44] <n3rd_dude> dobey, Modified kernel, which is why NeKit mentioned source tree?
[19:44] <n3rd_dude> dobey lol no way
[19:45] <dobey> n3rd_dude: well, device tree for all the drivers. but we need patches to enable some things which aren't used on android, like apparmor
[19:46] <n3rd_dude> And yeah, no easy ways for anything ever but I believe this is the best option to have linux in your hands right? Easier than trying to get something like archlinux for arm on a tablet?
[19:46] <n3rd_dude> (I am talking about phones at this point)
[19:46] <NeKit> harder probably
[19:46] <n3rd_dude> dobey right.
[19:46] <n3rd_dude> Nekit oh?
[19:47] <NeKit> well, I suppose, for ArchLinux ARM you take stock or vanilla kernel, right?
[19:48] <dobey> not on an android device
[19:48] <n3rd_dude> Let me say it here since my subconscious is almost screaming it. I wish arm hardware devs made stuff as clean as x86 -_- sadly not all wishes come true...
[19:48] <n3rd_dude> Nekit for a start yes
[19:48] <n3rd_dude> And use binary blobs for all the drivers
[19:48] <dobey> you have to use the kernel for the device
[19:48] <n3rd_dude> Especially video
[19:49] <n3rd_dude> dobey, you mean as a general rule?
[19:49] <n3rd_dude> Or just here? :p
[19:49] <dobey> but if you need to enable any features the stock kernel doesn't have built in, you're going to have to rebuild the kernel of course
[19:49] <n3rd_dude> Yeah which is kinda cleaner?
[19:49] <n3rd_dude> Isn't it?
[19:49] <dobey> n3rd_dude: i mean for ARM devices, and specifically ones built around being android kit
[19:50] <dobey> not cleaner, no
[19:50] <n3rd_dude> dobey I get what you mean
[19:50] <dobey> building android kernels is a horrible mess
[19:50] <n3rd_dude> Android kernel!? God no!
[19:50] <n3rd_dude> Lol
[19:50] <n3rd_dude> That IS a f'ing nightmare
[19:50] <dobey> welcome to the world of ARM
[19:50] <n3rd_dude> Haha
[19:50] <n3rd_dude> Thank you! :p
[19:51] <n3rd_dude> I feel like buying the next ticket out of here already XD
[19:51] <n3rd_dude> But yeah, I've seen the mess with SBC's. I
[19:51] <n3rd_dude> know it's worse for mobile
[19:52] <dobey> they are the same really
[19:52] <n3rd_dude> 1:1?
[19:52] <n3rd_dude> The nightmares?
[19:52] <n3rd_dude> :D
[19:52] <NeKit> yet for SBC's there is usually some kind of Linux support from manufacturer
[19:52] <NeKit> phone manufacturers don't care
[19:52] <dobey> n3rd_dude: android is linux. so all android phones have "some linux support"
[19:52] <dobey> err
[19:52] <dobey> NeKit: even
[19:52] <n3rd_dude> XD
[19:53] <NeKit> I know, I mean Linux-specific blobs built around glibc
[19:54] <dobey> anyway, i don't know what kind of device you want to make, but with ARM the annoying apart is going to be device bring-up
[19:55] <n3rd_dude> Okay I don't want to be grumbling the whole time. So let's say I'm up for it (I am when I have the time), how similar to say a desktop/workstation environment is Ubuntu touch? In the sense of binutils, GCC and the like? You know? "(Ultra) Portable programming device (fantasy)"
[19:55] <n3rd_dude> Lol that was long XD
[19:56] <dobey> ubuntu is ubuntu
[19:56] <n3rd_dude> dobey bring-up as in, getting it going right?
[19:56] <n3rd_dude> And cool!
[19:57] <n3rd_dude> That's what I wanted to hear. I guess asking if it was a minimal form would've been better :/
[19:57] <dobey> yeah, as in getting things booting and running and working correctly in the system. the hard and annoying part of pointing ubuntu to new devices, for example
[19:57] <NeKit> make sure to avoid MTK devices without source code available
[19:57] <dobey> well the phone images are pared down yes. they include a read-only /, and are phone images
[19:58] <n3rd_dude> dobey, I hear you. Nekit, what's up with MTK support anyway?
[19:58] <NeKit> Chinese vendors don't care about GPL
[19:58] <n3rd_dude> XD I forgot about that part! How stupid of me :D
[19:58] <n3rd_dude> Or anything else for that matter...
[19:59] <n3rd_dude> Here's my guinea pig http://www.umidigi.com/page-umi_super_overview.html
[20:00] <n3rd_dude> Buying it for something else but I could adopt it for Ubuntu touch at some point
[20:00] <NeKit> yeah, they likely won't even release kernel source code for it
[20:01] <n3rd_dude> Hit the brakes on that device?
[20:01] <dobey> what is your goal exactly?
[20:01] <n3rd_dude> Would be awesome to push that device with raw Linux though
[20:01] <n3rd_dude> Oh, I've been interested in Ubuntu touch since it was announced
[20:01] <n3rd_dude> On top of that
[20:02] <NeKit> sorry, but wrong device choice then
[20:02] <n3rd_dude> I'm interested in playing with an actual Linux environment everywhere I go
[20:02] <n3rd_dude> XD
[20:02] <dobey> well how big of a device do you want?
[20:02] <n3rd_dude> Because MTK or the whole bloody thing? :D
[20:02] <NeKit> because UMI
[20:03] <NeKit> (I mean, I saw few vendors release source code even for MTK devices, but they seem to be not among them)
[20:03] <n3rd_dude> Nekit, I thought so :P dobey, for a phone, 5/5.5". Otherwise any tablet is interesting enough but the SoC has to be good
[20:04] <n3rd_dude> Nekit I believe you are right
[20:04] <NeKit> (for example https://www.xda-developers.com/vernee-releases-complete-source-code-for-mediatek-x20-based-apollo-lite/)
[20:04] <n3rd_dude> Chinese vendors dont really like releasing any kind of source. I could dig around the forums though
[20:05] <dobey> NeKit: then i would just say wait it out until more ubuntu phones/tablets come out, after we get switched over to snappy based system
[20:05] <n3rd_dude> Their general language barrier is maddening though and I'll be happier going *your* way
[20:05] <n3rd_dude> Snappy? Like Core?
[20:05] <dobey> yes
[20:07] <n3rd_dude> BTW what's the difference between core and say, Ubuntu for arm? Asking because you brought it up :P
[20:07] <n3rd_dude> Nekit checking your link
[20:08] <NeKit> I'm not advertising for that device in particular, just an example
[20:08] <n3rd_dude> The X20 is kind of a beast. Yeah I know :)
[20:09] <n3rd_dude> *would* you advertise it though? :P
[20:11] <n3rd_dude> Nekit, $235.93 on eBay. it's approx +34.93 from the device I linked :P
[20:11] <n3rd_dude> beefier too
[20:11] <dobey> "ubuntu for arm" isn't a think
[20:12] <dobey> armhf and arm64 are just architectures that most of the archive also gets built for
[20:12] <NeKit> hard to say, I would probably advice for something with better support from community, even if not that powerful
[20:12] <n3rd_dude> dobey so I've seen. Instead Ubuntu has Core?
[20:12] <n3rd_dude> Oh!
[20:12] <n3rd_dude> dobey so Ubuntu desktop for arm?
[20:12] <n3rd_dude> Nekit okay :) I should do my homework then
[20:13] <dobey> if you have the hardware for it, sure, but i wouldn't recommend it
[20:13] <dobey> a system based on ubuntu-core would be better suited for most arm devices, when we get all the various bits worked out there
[20:13] <dobey> ie, ubuntu personal
[20:14] <n3rd_dude> dobey I'm sorry, I meant does the desktop iso *also* support arm is what i meant.
[20:15] <n3rd_dude> The reason I used the term Ubuntu arm is because fedora and arch for instance use that sort of terminology
[20:15] <dobey> no
[20:15] <dobey> that's not how ARM devices work
[20:16] <dobey> lots of different bootloaders and such
[20:16] <dobey> and then binary driver issues and all that
[20:16] <n3rd_dude> Lol I said iso for a sudden inability to express myself
[20:16] <n3rd_dude> I know I've got an arm device. I suddenly get dense sometimes XD
[20:16] <dobey> so there isn't really a general "install this thing on ARM" solution
[20:16] <n3rd_dude> Yep
[20:16] <n3rd_dude> Its a nightmare every time
[20:17] <n3rd_dude> I'm sorry I pulled off topic
[20:18] <n3rd_dude> I find Ubuntu's new distribution solutions interesting and I think Ubuntu Touch is one or the best ideas I've ever seen.
[20:18] <n3rd_dude> *of
[20:23] <n3rd_dude> I'm still here for a while but in case I disappear, thanks NeKit and dobey :)
[20:37] <tsimonq2> Marius Gripsgard doing a Q&A about UBPorts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYswrwemiMM
[21:14] <n3rd_dude> If I may bother you guys again
[21:14] <n3rd_dude> What's the work in getting Ubuntu touch on an atom platform really?
[21:15] <n3rd_dude> I never thought of that until Nekit mentioned it
[21:15] <NeKit> tablet or phone?
[21:15] <n3rd_dude> Phone?
[21:15] <NeKit> would be mostly the same to ARM phone, sadly
[21:15] <NeKit> but no one really tried it, I think
[21:16] <n3rd_dude> XD is a tablet any different?
[21:16] <n3rd_dude> You mean working touch on an atom?
[21:18] <NeKit> on Bay Trail/Cherry Trail tablet you can generally run normal desktop Linux, but there are a lot of device-specific problems
[21:18] <n3rd_dude> Oh that sounds very interesting
[21:18] <n3rd_dude> And those problems I will have to iron out on my own way?
[21:19] <n3rd_dude> And what's the boot loader?
[21:19] <NeKit> UEFI
[21:19] <NeKit> so GRUB2 or anything else
[21:20] <n3rd_dude> That's sort of neat
[21:20] <NeKit> n3rd_dude> And those problems I will have to iron out on my own way? - yes, or you could search if someone tried to run Linux on specific device and with what results
[21:20] <n3rd_dude> Good point
[21:20] <n3rd_dude> I shall look into that. Thanks NeKit :)
[21:21] <n3rd_dude> One last thing, what's this about touch being mixed with core?
[21:21] <n3rd_dude> What happens then?
[21:27] <dobey> n3rd_dude: there is no ubuntu touch. there is only ubuntu.
[21:28] <n3rd_dude> dobey: Oh I'm sorry XD
[21:29] <n3rd_dude> But you did say something interesting about snappy on mobile?
[21:29] <n3rd_dude> (Ubuntu)
[21:29] <NeKit> regarding your earlier MTK thoughts, javier4 is working on unofficial Ubuntu port for Elephone Vowney Lite (Helio X10)，and so far it's booting to GUI, but that's pretty much all for now in terms of hardware support
[21:29] <dobey> n3rd_dude: the whole idea is that phone/tablete images and x86 ISOs and whatnot are all built from the same archive. as is the ubuntu-core snap
[21:30] <dobey> there will be "ubuntu personal" images at some point, built with snaps, and phone/tablet images on new devices at that point will all be based on that
[21:30] <n3rd_dude> NeKit: cool, thanks :)
[21:31] <dobey> running unity8/mir and confined and all the good security stuff
[21:31] <n3rd_dude> dobey, so, basically better modularity? Something like that?
[21:32] <dobey> i guess something like that
[21:33] <n3rd_dude> dobey, BTW I started with Ubuntu like 8 years ago. Jumped to arch :P so I know how package management works. Just saying ;)
[21:34] <n3rd_dude> Stuff has changed though
[21:57] <n3rd_dude> Thanks again guys. Much appreciated :)
[21:57] <n3rd_dude> I'm off for now


[15:59] <jose> hey guys, someone has created #ubuntu-edge-campaign and is giving op to everyone joining the channel, which may result in an op war
[15:59] <jose> user was matrixa1
[18:01] <IdleOne> as long as the channel is actually used to tlak about the ubuntu edge and stays with the ubuntu spirit there should be no issues, if it does become an issue the ircc can take a look
[18:01] <IdleOne> talk*
[18:05] <jose> IdleOne: yep, got to talk to the guy behind it and agreed that having op for everyone was not good


[13:50]  * xnox 0/
[13:50] <stgraber> xnox: you're a bit early ;)
[13:51]  * xnox got a google calendar pop-up ;-)
[13:55] <vibhav> Did I miss the MOTU meeting?
[13:56] <vibhav> The MOTU meeting is today, right?
[13:57] <vibhav> Oh wait, I didnt miss it ^_^
[13:59]  * skaet  waves
[13:59] <stokachu> o/
[13:59] <xnox> vibhav: http://www.threadless.com/product/1466/Now_Panic_and_Freak_Out
[13:59] <seb128> skaet, hey
[14:00] <stgraber> #startmeeting Ubuntu 12.04.1 team meeting
[14:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 14 14:00:13 2012 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:00]  * jibel waves
[14:00] <stgraber> #topic Action items review
[14:01] <stgraber> "stgraber to setup wiki page for the team, send initial meeting notes, update calendar entry"
[14:01] <stgraber> DONE and spammed everyone about it :)
[14:01] <stgraber> "xnox to prepare a target list for fs stack for 12.04.1"
[14:01] <stgraber> "xnox to liase with ballons, gema and jibel w.r.t. fs/storage testing"
[14:01] <stgraber> xnox: ^
[14:01] <xnox> I have a list of things for 12.04.1 to discuss (typing it up now)
[14:02] <xnox> liasing with QA people, postponed due to python sprint. Still a todo.
[14:02]  * xnox carry on, while I'm preparing a short paragraph about fs stuff
[14:02] <stokachu> stgraber: i dont see that email about wiki page
[14:02] <stgraber> stokachu: it was sent to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-release
[14:03] <stgraber> The wiki page is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/12.04.1
[14:03] <stgraber> "skaet to get an update on the status of daily QA testing of whether these are all being run still in jenkins, and where to find the results."
[14:03] <stgraber> skaet: ^
[14:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-May/001276.html
[14:03] <stokachu> thanks
[14:03] <skaet> yes they are being run in jenkin
[14:04] <skaet> talked to jibel about it after the meeting.
[14:04] <skaet> continue on and I'll paste the link
[14:04] <skaet> ..
[14:04] <stgraber> ok, thanks
[14:04] <stgraber> #topic Review of upcoming deadlines
[14:05] <stgraber> The first deadline listed for 12.04.1 is on the 2nd of August, so nothing to be extremely worried about just yet.
[14:05] <seb128> do we need to get the channel topic changed this way? it's taking 5 lines of backlog every time and making the meeting log hard to follow
[14:05] <arges> o/  what would be the timeframe to get things uploaded into -proposed for it to land in main by then
[14:06] <stgraber> seb128: I don't particularly like it, but I kind of like meetingology doing the meeting notes, so I have to live with it ;)
[14:07] <seb128> arges, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule has the schedule
[14:08] <seb128> arges, early august
[14:08] <arges> seb128, gotcha
[14:08] <stgraber> arges: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess gives some more details on that but assuming you can make sure the SRU gets verified as soon as it lands, anything that lands before August should be good, after that, it's going to get trickier
[14:08] <arges> ok thanks
[14:09] <stgraber> #topic Quick look through the current bug lists, checking for progress
[14:09] <stokachu> == Are definitely ready for 12.04.1 ==
[14:09] <stokachu> ----
[14:09] <stokachu> || '''bug''' || '''summary''' || '''notes''' ||
[14:09] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/922514|922514]] || convert package to multiarch || Verify package is in 12.04 ||
[14:09] <stokachu> == Needs love ==
[14:09] <stokachu> ----
[14:09] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/977952|977952]] || multiarch libonoboui  || Needs SRU ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/977959|977959]] || multiarch libgnome    || Upstream work started, needs more tlc ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/977940|977940]] || multiarch gnome-vfs   || Needs SRU, acceptance for Precise series ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/977964|977964]] || multiarch libart-lgpl || Upstream work complete, needs SRU ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/977966|977966]] || multiarch orbit2      || This is in -proposed, setting 12.04.1 milestone for tracking ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/890928|890828]] || multiarch libxkbfile  || Needs completed SRU (test case, regression potential) ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/859512|859512]] || multiarch libdbusmenu || This is released, however, bug indicates it is incomplete ||
[14:10] <stokachu> == Incomplete but needs consideration ==
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/977947|977947]] || multiarch libbonobo   || Needs update ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/932860|932860]] || multiarch appmenu-gtk || Still contains packaging issues, needs more time to investigate ||
[14:10] <stokachu> || [[http://pad.lv/919298|919298]] || unity-greeter crashes if no user account shown || Partial fix applied to quantal, needs precise nomination and a completed fix ||
[14:11] <stokachu> i've set some bugs to be nominated for precise, when that happens ill target 12.04.1 milestone
[14:11] <stgraber> ok, let me quickly accept the nomination then
[14:12] <stokachu> the last 3 need more work than the rest and could possibly be rejected for 12.04.1
[14:12] <skaet> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/view/All%20Precise/  <-- link to precise daily run results.
[14:12]  * xnox 0/ ready with the fs plan for a discussion on how sensible it is, probably towards the end of the meeting, before AOB
[14:13] <stgraber> stokachu: nominations accepted
[14:13] <stokachu> stgraber: thanks, ill go through and target milestones after meeting
[14:13] <arges> stgraber, stokachu : i can help with the targeting too
[14:14] <seb128> stokachu, you probably want appmenu-gtk multiarched, that's an issue coming frequently in user comments and bugs
[14:14] <seb128> stokachu, i.e better to not reject it if possible
[14:14] <stokachu> seb128: ok, ill add that to my priority list to get fixed
[14:14] <stokachu> i think its *half* complete
[14:14] <stgraber> any other bugs that aren't on the current lists and should be worked on for 12.04.1?
[14:14] <seb128> stokachu, thanks
[14:15] <seb128> stgraber, stokachu: on multiarch issue I think somebody should check on bug #885492, gnome-keyring
[14:15] <stokachu> yes ive got three more
[14:15] <stokachu> just came in
[14:15] <seb128> that seems to come often as well
[14:15] <stokachu> seb128: ill get that added to list
[14:15] <seb128> thanks
[14:15] <stokachu> im supposed to be finishing up the multiarch stuff
[14:16] <stokachu> So i havent actually reviewed these ones yet, they just came in
[14:16] <stokachu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/972537
[14:16] <stokachu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/226780
[14:16] <stokachu> the second one i need to backport the timeout in apt-key
[14:17] <stgraber> stokachu: let me know if you need review and sponsoring to quantal and precise-proposed
[14:17] <stokachu> oh wait different bug
[14:17] <stokachu> stgraber: this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/226780 needs nomination approval
[14:17] <arges> stgraber, for these bugs, whats the best way to get your attention for review/sponsoring?
[14:17] <stgraber> stokachu: that lightdm seems pretty annoying for corporate deployments, sounds like a good candidate for the point release indeed
[14:18] <stgraber> arges: easiest way is to ping me on IRC, you can also go through the official sponsoring process but as I'm interested in these bugs anyway, I'm happy to do the review directly
[14:19] <stokachu> stgraber: could you approve the lightdm for precise as well?
[14:19] <arges> stgraber, ok thanks.
[14:19] <seb128> stokachu, I approved it
[14:20] <stokachu> thanks seb128
[14:20] <stgraber> I'm guessing seb128, smoser, NCommander and jamespage can also help with the uploads
[14:20] <jamespage> stgraber, yep
[14:20] <seb128> what uploads?
[14:20] <seb128> sponsoring you mean?
[14:21] <stokachu> yea me and arges would need sponsors
[14:21] <stgraber> seb128: yes, review + sponsoring of the changes stokachu and arges are working on
[14:21] <seb128> oh
[14:21] <seb128> yeah, feel free to ping me for any desktop upload
[14:21] <stokachu> could i kindly ask sponsors to monitor the 12.04.1 milestone :D
[14:21] <seb128> or just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, I review the queue regularly for desktop uploads
[14:21] <stokachu> seb128: ok ill have 2 bugs for you soon as I talk to a coworker
[14:21] <seb128> stokachu, great
[14:22] <stgraber> would probably be nice if we could have a report of the 12.04.1 milestone listing all the bugs that have one of "patch attached", "branch linked", "fixed in development release"
[14:23] <stokachu> arges: ^
[14:23] <stokachu> :D
[14:23] <stgraber> that'd basically list most "easy" bugs that are just waiting for someone to cherry-pick and upload (or just sponsor if it's a debdiff/packaging branch)
[14:23] <stokachu> agreed
[14:23] <jamespage> stgraber, we've been using a SRU report for the server team packages that could be extended todo that
[14:23] <jamespage> http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/server-sru/precise-sru.html
[14:23] <arges> stokachu, ack
[14:24] <jamespage> ATM its just used for assessing candidates and monitoring SRU progress
[14:24] <xnox> sponsorship page has (sru) tags, but not sure if it lists 12.04.1 explicitly
[14:25] <stgraber> xnox: right, and it assumes that someone subscribed sponsor to it, which isn't always the case when the bug is fixed in quantal but not in precise-updates
[14:25] <xnox> i see
[14:25] <stokachu> i wish we had 1 application to generate all these reports :D
[14:25] <stgraber> so can anyone take an action of getting some basic report for 12.04.1 online?
[14:25] <stokachu> xmarks laughs at me during bookmark s yncs
[14:26] <stokachu> stgraber: i think arges agreed to do it
[14:26] <arges> stokachu, ssh don't tell everybody....  ok i'll do it
[14:26] <xnox> stokachu: ultimate-debian-database has a lot of queriable bugs. maybe ubuntuwire can be consulted in those.
[14:26] <stokachu> xnox: sounds good to me :D
[14:26] <stgraber> #action arges to work on a 12.04.1 bug report, showing targeted bugs and information on status in development release, patches attached and branches linked
[14:26] <meetingology> ACTION: arges to work on a 12.04.1 bug report, showing targeted bugs and information on status in development release, patches attached and branches linked
[14:27] <skaet> :)
[14:27] <xnox> arges: now even google will now you are doing this =) by scaping meetingology logs
[14:27] <arges> oh noes
[14:27] <arges> yea, i have some scripts / pages i can adapt to do this
[14:28] <stgraber> #topic Round table
[14:28] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$ echo $(shuf -e NCommander seb128 stgraber stokachu arges jibel skaet smoser jamespage xnox)
[14:28] <stgraber> stokachu smoser jibel seb128 NCommander arges jamespage xnox skaet stgraber
[14:29] <stgraber> stokachu: you win!
[14:29] <stokachu> yay!
[14:29]  * xnox is confused what is round table?
[14:29] <stokachu> xnox: was gonna ask the same thing LOL
[14:29] <xnox> stokachu: apparently it's like spin the wheel, cause you won!
[14:29] <seb128> stokachu, you are first, you figure it out!
[14:30] <stgraber> hehe, right. skaet suggested we have a quick roundtable to know what people have been up to regarding 12.04.1/SRU work for the past two weeks
[14:30] <seb128> stokachu, make something good from it ;-)
[14:30]  * xnox shall talk about fs stuff then?!
[14:30] <stokachu> ha.. first things first.. i wore pants today
[14:30] <seb128> is that unusual? don't feel like you have to get overdressed for those meetings :p
[14:31] <stgraber> so if you need help with somehting you're working on for 12.04.1, it's the right time to ask ;)
[14:31] <stgraber> xnox: yep, that'd be the right time to mention that
[14:31] <stokachu> We (SEG) have a pretty good idea of what needs SRU's and those that need more attention to get into SRU state. Once we have a compiled list for target milestone we will triage out the work to rest of team to get handled
[14:31] <stokachu> Right now multi-arch is our biggest workload for 12.04.1
[14:31] <stokachu> done
[14:32] <stgraber> smoser:
[14:32] <stgraber> hmm, haven't seen him in the meeting actually
[14:32] <stgraber> jibel:
[14:33] <jibel> hi
[14:33] <jibel> watching daily jobs, no failure with the images itselfs
[14:33] <jibel> re-ran failed jobs for i386 and they passed. connection to bazaar failed.
[14:34] <jibel> there is an issue on universe upgrade that will need to investigate. It fails from time to time and saw the same failure reported by the community
[14:34] <jibel> that's all from me
[14:34] <jibel> ..
[14:35] <stgraber> seb128:
[14:35] <seb128> we are looking at the user feedback and trying to address top issues from bugs reports and whoopsie
[14:35] <seb128> GNOME 3.4.2 updates are mostly in, there is no formal 3.4.3 planned so at this point we mostly cherry pick fixes
[14:36] <seb128> if you have any bugs that we should look at which is not milestoned let me know
[14:36] <seb128> otherwise we have steady flow on fixes uploaded, SRU team is having an hard time to review things in time
[14:36] <seb128> they had a meeting this week and say they should address that though so let's see
[14:36] <seb128> ..
[14:37] <stgraber> NCommander:
[14:38] <stgraber> arges:
[14:38] <arges> Working with SEG/stokachu to identify relevant bugs for 12.04.1, helping target bugs.
[14:38] <arges> ..
[14:38]  * xnox wonders if stgraber is running a timeout stopwatch
[14:38] <stgraber> jamespage:
[14:39] <jamespage> Refactored the Server SRU reporting to be series centric - http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/server-sru/precise-sru.html
[14:39] <jamespage> 12.04.1 progress will also be discussed at the weekly server team meeting to monitor progress and discuss anything thats stuck.
[14:39] <arges> las
[14:39] <arges> whoops
[14:39] <jamespage> zul has been working on the first set of SRU's for openstack components
[14:40] <jamespage> and I've been nudging through a few SRU's myself...
[14:40] <jamespage> ..
[14:40] <stgraber> xnox:
[14:40] <xnox> I have been pondering what to do with various fs packages to make
[14:40] <xnox> 12.04.1 more stable/supportable release for the next 5 years.
[14:40] <xnox> FS updates plan for 12.04.1
[14:40] <xnox> * e2fsprogs 1.42-1ubuntu2 -> 1.42.4-3ubuntu1 (same as quantal)
[14:40] <xnox> ** http://pad.lv/978012
[14:40] <xnox> Stable SRUable micro point release, fixing importnant bugs and regressions
[14:40] <xnox> * mdadm 3.2.3-2ubuntu1 -> 3.2.5-1ubuntu1 (not done yet)
[14:40] <xnox> ** no bug number yet
[14:40] <xnox> Stable SRUable micro point release, fixing regressions.
[14:40] <xnox> Fixing packaging mistakes which left out: allowing to use
[14:40] <xnox> isw (intel martrix raid) and ddf (standard raid) in udev rules,
[14:40] <xnox> shipping required mdmon unitility for isw, settling events to
[14:40] <xnox> prevent boot timeouts and droping into initramfs.
[14:40] <xnox> * btrfs-progs
[14:41] <xnox> Will *not* get an SRU all the way from 20100601->20120328
[14:41] <xnox> I do want to provide a backport.
[14:41] <xnox> Will fix SRU like bugs which prevent booting without dropping
[14:41] <xnox> into initramfs shell.
[14:41] <xnox> * lvm2
[14:41] <xnox> May need SRU to fix some bugs, didn't check the list of open bugs yet.
[14:41] <xnox> Any others, that I am missing which potentially have 12.04.1
[14:41] <xnox> worthly stuff? Let me know, by subscribing me to the bugs on
[14:41] <xnox> launchpad. Is this minimal enough for SRU? I do not want this to
[14:41] <xnox> be treated as MRE or anything on-going.
[14:41] <xnox> discuss =)
[14:41] <xnox> ..
[14:41] <xnox> any questions?!
[14:41] <xnox> =)
[14:42] <stokachu> xnox: in 20 words or less can you describe the increasing velocity of a flying elephant against highwinds and in the winter?!?
[14:42] <xnox> stokachu: it's fairly constant
[14:42] <stokachu> nice!
[14:43] <skaet> :)
[14:43] <stgraber> xnox: I'll need to look, but I believe the new iscsi stack fixes some pretty nasty bugs we had in oneiric and precise (when your root fs is on iscsi)
[14:43]  * xnox takes a note to look into iscsi stack
[14:43] <stgraber> xnox: I worked around these in oneiric (by not starting the iscsi client daemon when / is on iscsi) but remember seeing bug activity that the new upstream fixes that and we should now be able to start the daemon without lossing access to /
[14:43] <xnox> well fedora shipped the 'new' scsi / kernel stack
[14:45]  * xnox wonders if iscsi is server's team responsibility or the foundations. me knows little about iscsi, unless I have to dive into that....
[14:45] <stgraber> xnox: the workaround was for bug 838809 and that caused bug 961114
[14:45] <xnox> stgraber: thanks.
[14:46] <stgraber> xnox: it's kind of blurry, IIRC server is doing the testing but for these bugs at least, I ended up being the one to work on them (so foundations)
[14:46] <stgraber> ..
[14:46] <stgraber> skaet:
[14:46] <jamespage> stgraber, I think I worked with you on that one
[14:46] <skaet> grouped all the 12.04.1 blueprints I could find together at:
[14:46] <skaet> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-release-sru-and-12.04.1.html
[14:46] <skaet> so we can monitor as we approach this point release.  If you know of one missed, not on the list, please let me know (or add it directly ;) ).
[14:46] <skaet> Started discussions off with stable release team on ways we can start to tame the backlog on the SRU pe
[14:46] <skaet> nding,  which overlaps with this a bit, but is solving a bigger problem.
[14:46] <skaet> ..
[14:46] <jamespage> xnox, I have some scripts that might help with testing
[14:47] <stgraber> stgraber:
[14:47]  * xnox jamespage:  yes please
[14:47] <stgraber> I've mostly been helping doing sru verification, looking at any >= 7 days item in the queue and trying to follow the testcases to get the in -updates
[14:47] <stgraber> that's been working quite well, unblocking quite a few SRUs. It's really painful for these that were pushed before the test case became a requirement though
[14:48] <stokachu> could we get help from QA on the SRU test cases portion?
[14:48] <xnox> stokachu: as far as I know QA does QA of the development release / automatation. not SRUs.
[14:49] <stgraber> there are also a few that seem to be stuck as nobody can actually confirm that they work. IIRC one is a bug that pretty much never happens (weird race condition) and another bug requires a new build of gfxboot + media in a weird language to check that the fix works (problem being, the language in question was never mentioned in the bug)
[14:49] <stokachu> xnox: that makes me sad
[14:49] <seb128> whoever fixed the bug probably has that info?
[14:49] <stgraber> jibel: can you maybe comment on what QA is doing/planning to do for 12.04.1?
[14:49] <seb128> well I don't think we have so many SRUS that we need QA help
[14:50] <seb128> it usually takes 5 minutes to follow the verification steps
[14:50] <stgraber> seb128: in gfxboot's case, no, because the "fix" is a LP translation refresh done by cjwatson, we need the reporter to re-test in their environment
[14:50] <seb128> I tend to do the desktop ones and we never got blocked so far
[14:50] <xnox> well precise daily images are being spinned and tested, as far as I know.
[14:51] <stgraber> xnox: not with -proposed
[14:51] <stokachu> tested as far as just installation and booting?
[14:52] <jibel> we do install testing of dailies, daily upgrade testing, we will do milestone testing for Ubuntu and can help with SRU verification on demand.
[14:52] <stokachu> sweet thanks jibel
[14:53] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[14:53] <stgraber> First thing, does this meeting format work for you?
[14:53] <stokachu> works4me
[14:54] <xnox> needs more funny jokes
[14:54] <stokachu> lol
[14:54] <stgraber> xnox: well, you have two weeks to write some down ;)
[14:54] <seb128> stgraber, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2012-April/005367.html
[14:55] <skaet> fine for me.
[14:55] <seb128> stgraber, that's the gfxboot bug
[14:55] <seb128> stgraber, we should probably apply the "diff looks sane, no visible regression" rule for it
[14:55] <stgraber> seb128: cool! with that it should be pretty easy to test. Yeah, that was my fallback option, just ensure that the diff is indeed just a translation refresh and mark it verification-done
[14:55] <seb128> stgraber, the meeting format works for me as well
[14:56] <arges> yes
[14:56] <stokachu> anyone considered transifex.net for localization on Ubuntu?
[14:57] <seb128> stokachu, do you keep the list of bugs you want to see fixed somewhere? or do you just milestone them the standard way?
[14:57] <stokachu> seb128: so far we've milestoned them
[14:57] <seb128> stokachu, no, we have launchpad translations
[14:57] <seb128> stokachu, why would we change for something less integrated to ubuntu?
[14:57] <xnox> stokachu: we have launchpad rossetta translations which are shared translations from all open-source projects with compatible licenses
[14:57] <stokachu> seb128: arges will have a report generated of the ones that need to be completed and those waiting on sponsorship etc
[14:57] <seb128> stokachu, ok
[14:57] <stgraber> I'll update the wiki and send the minutes to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-release. If you have anything else to discuss before our next meeting, use the ubuntu-release mailing list.
[14:58] <xnox> stokachu: but launchpad generates languages statistics like that
[14:58] <stokachu> ah cool
[14:58] <arges> yup,
[14:58] <xnox> and it's not sponsorship, but approval needed, updated translations, released
[14:59] <stokachu> cool, simple enough :D
[14:59]  * arges writes that in his copy book.
[14:59] <xnox> stokachu: launchpad is the only thing that suggest translations from other packages such that you get a consistent translation across the whole desktop.
[14:59] <xnox> ..
[14:59] <xnox> AAOB?
[14:59] <stgraber> well, we're out of time. Thanks everyone for attending and see you all in two weeks!
[15:00] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 15:00:01 2012 UTC.
[15:00] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-14-14.00.moin.txt
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[15:00] <stokachu> see ya!
[15:00]  * xnox thank you all
[15:00] <cjwatson> stgraber: Oh, I can do the gfxboot case, I've just been meaning to get around to sorting out images suitably built from -proposed
[15:02] <stgraber> cjwatson: that'd be great
[15:03] <seb128> thanks
[15:04] <seb128> stokachu, what's the issue with libdbusmenu multiarching?
[15:04] <seb128> i.e why bug #859512 just won a precise line?
[15:04] <seb128> stgraber, ^
[15:05] <stokachu> seb128: i think this is just being marked to make sure its included with point release
[15:05] <stokachu> in addition to appmenu-gtk multiarch fixes
[15:06] <seb128> stokachu, I though libdusmenu was multiarched before precise?
[15:06] <seb128> stokachu, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/0.5.0-1ubuntu1
[15:07] <stokachu> seb128: does this bug need to be closed then?
[15:08] <seb128> stokachu, well, I'm asking why it just got reopen, it was closed
[15:09] <seb128> stgraber, just opened a precise component for it follow what you said in the meeting I guess?
[15:09] <stgraber> seb128: yeah, I just accepted the nomination for all the bugs stokachu listed
[15:09] <stokachu> seb128: maybe i messed up somewhere
[15:20] <stokachu> seb128: can you re-close that bug then and we can remove it from sru list?
[15:22] <seb128> stokachu, where is the SRU list?
[15:23] <stokachu> seb128: sorry i meant the 12.04.1 milestone list on LP
[15:24] <seb128> stokachu, url?
[15:24] <seb128> stokachu, the milestones list should only list open bugs
[15:25] <seb128> stokachu, i.e that bug is closed it shouldn't have ever been on the list?
[15:25] <stokachu> seb128: ok we're good then
[15:25] <stokachu> seb128: i double checked and its not listed
[15:27] <stokachu> seb128: sorry my multitasking is sub par atm
[15:34] <seb128> stokachu, no worry
[16:00] <dholbach> o/
[16:00] <coolbhavi> hi dholbach
[16:00] <dholbach> anybody here for the MOTU meeting? :)
[16:00] <on3_g> <o/ dholbach
[16:01] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting in #kubuntu-devel if anyone is here for it
[16:01] <dholbach> Riddell, oh sorry - is #ubuntu-meeting usually booked for the Kubuntu meeting at this time?
[16:01] <Riddell> dholbach: no I failed to do any booking
[16:02] <dholbach> yeah, we haven't finally agreed on meeting times which is why it's not on the Fridge yet, but it looked empty, so we went ahead :)
[16:02] <dholbach> coolbhavi, on3_g: maybe we just start and see who else hops in
[16:02] <dholbach> #startmeeting
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[16:03] <dholbach> it seems the agenda is pretty much the same as last time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[16:03] <dholbach> but we can use that to catch up on the things we talked last time
[16:03] <dholbach> #topic meeting times
[16:03] <dholbach> so the last time we said this:
[16:03] <dholbach> Proposals: either keep time 16 UTC (every 2nd/4th Thursday), or use old
[16:03] <dholbach> MOTU meeting times: alternate between 4 UTC, 12 UTC and 20 UTC, or use
[16:03] <dholbach> the RMB meeting times: alternate between 12 UTC and 22 UTC.
[16:04] <dholbach> I started a separate thread on the motu mailing list and it'd be good if everybody weighed in with their personal preference
[16:04] <dholbach> coolbhavi, particularly for you I could imagine that other times than 16 UTC might work better :)
[16:05] <dholbach> I guess I'll send a reminder to the list about it again
[16:05] <dholbach> Ok, let's move on - the list will probably the best place to discuss it
[16:05] <dholbach> #topic MOTU School (Bhavani Shankar)
[16:05] <coolbhavi> dholbach, this time works for me most times except few times :) 16 UTC or earlier :)
[16:05] <Laney> I'd try to turn up at any reasonable UK time
[16:06] <Laney> but wouldn't get out of bed :P
[16:06] <dholbach> coolbhavi, ^ do you have updates on the MOTU school sessions?
[16:06] <dholbach> Laney, that's always a good place for meetings ;-)
[16:06] <coolbhavi> dholbach, sent out a doodle poll
[16:06] <dholbach> coolbhavi, did you send it to the motu list as well?
[16:07] <coolbhavi> on the proposed number and the sessions... Will post it to the list today got stuck
[16:07] <coolbhavi> with other work
[16:07] <coolbhavi> sorry for that
[16:08] <dholbach> coolbhavi, don't worry - if you send it to the list we should be fine :)
[16:08] <coolbhavi> sure dholbach
[16:08] <dholbach> great
[16:09] <dholbach> coolbhavi, did you have a chat with bobweaver or did he get in touch with you?
[16:09] <dholbach> he wanted to give a session already
[16:09] <statik> o/ sorry i'm late
[16:09] <dholbach> hey statik
[16:10] <dholbach> coolbhavi, also it might be worth writing up some kind of quick announcement text we can reuse for these sessions - I can help with getting it on the fridge or the ubuntu classroom blog
[16:11] <coolbhavi> dholbach, no but a member called joseph got in touch with me sure ll do that
[16:11] <dholbach> ah yes
[16:11] <dholbach> perfect
[16:11] <dholbach> if anyone has any suggestions or would like to volunteer for a motu school session, please get in touch with coolbhavi
[16:11] <coolbhavi> ll mail bob today btw
[16:11] <dholbach> excellent
[16:12] <dholbach> alright, let's move on to the next point :)
[16:12] <dholbach> #topic Review MOTU/FAQ/New_Draft (Bhavani Shankar)
[16:12] <dholbach> coolbhavi is definitely dominating the agenda today :)
[16:12] <dholbach> coolbhavi, did anyone get in touch with you about the draft?
[16:12] <coolbhavi> dholbach, :-) unfortunately on list I got no response
[16:13] <coolbhavi> so I wanted to mail again this weekend
[16:13] <dholbach> perfect
[16:13] <dholbach> I think if we can mix and match old and new content it should be fine
[16:14] <dholbach> there are surely some parts which can be borrowed from the old page :)
[16:14] <coolbhavi> dholbach, yes a bit of editing would do good most of old page still has valuable content
[16:15] <dholbach> perfect
[16:15] <dholbach> alright
[16:15] <dholbach> it seems like the rest of the agenda is only 'fixed' agenda items - does anyone have anything else they wanted to bring up?
[16:15] <vibhav> umm
[16:15] <vibhav> About the MOTU school
[16:16] <dholbach> hi vibhav
[16:16] <coolbhavi> vibhav, hey
[16:16] <vibhav> I think it might be better if the MOTU who is taking the school seesion conducts a poll on which topic should be covered
[16:16] <vibhav> hi dholbach
[16:17] <Laney> \o
[16:17] <dholbach> vibhav, we have in the past conducted a couple of these polls
[16:17] <vibhav> dholbach: How were the results?
[16:17] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Requests might be useful content to review
[16:18] <vibhav> I mean ah, didn't know that
[16:18] <dholbach> no worries - these wiki page are not exactly easy to find :)
[16:18] <vibhav> That is the point
[16:19] <vibhav> We should make the wiki pages more easy to find
[16:19] <dholbach> but yeah, it's not exactly front-facing content :)
[16:20] <dholbach> but it might help making decision which sessions to give
[16:20] <vibhav> yup
[16:20] <vibhav> Social Networks, at this point, might be usefull
[16:20] <dholbach> vibhav, but if you want, you could maybe write an email or microblog about it and solicit some feedback on packaging training sessions
[16:20] <vibhav> sure
[16:20] <dholbach> that'd be awesome
[16:21] <coolbhavi> dholbach, two days back  in d-a-t meeting we discussed about g+ hangouts
[16:21] <coolbhavi> :)
[16:21] <vibhav> Ill ask jono about integrating some MOTU stuff in Ubuntu Acomplishments
[16:21] <vibhav> Encouraging new Developers
[16:21] <dholbach> ah yes, that's nice ideas
[16:22] <dholbach> so with some additional mailing list posts and some microblogging I hope we can get some more ideas, so we can probably just leave the item on the agenda page for next time
[16:22] <dholbach> Laney, you had something to discuss as well?
[16:23] <Laney> I just thought I would mention that Kubuntu is going to Universe imminently
[16:23] <Laney> and they have some particular conventions that they would like people to follow
[16:24] <Laney> mainly pushing to some special branches
[16:24] <Laney> should we let people know?
[16:24] <vibhav> yup
[16:24] <coolbhavi> dholbach, do u think d-a-t might help in providing pointers in here as in encouraging new developers?
[16:24] <dholbach> Laney, do you know if that's documented or mentioned somewhere?
[16:24] <Laney> perhaps Riddell or ScottK know more
[16:25] <ScottK> Kubuntu is going to Universe.
[16:25] <vibhav> Though it might be bit offtopic, but I think that a
[16:25] <vibhav> MOTU mascot is needed
[16:25] <ScottK> People just need to pay attention to the VCS info in the packages.
[16:26] <coolbhavi> vibhav, mascot as in?
[16:26] <vibhav> (But that would make it a bit childish, so never mind :) )
[16:26] <Riddell> Laney: the vcs lines are in debian/control
[16:26] <dholbach> coolbhavi, vibhav: can we talk about this in a bit?
[16:26] <vibhav> sure
[16:26] <dholbach> let's talk about Kubuntu first
[16:26] <dholbach> thanks
[16:26] <Riddell> another kubuntu convention is not to make upstream changes unless there's a clear route to it getting upstream
[16:27] <Laney> there are a lot of Vcs lines in debian/control that Ubuntu developers ignore
[16:27] <vibhav> yes
[16:27] <dholbach> Riddell, have you considered bringing this up on a mailing list or blog post somewhere?
[16:27] <dholbach> u-d-a might be even a good place for this
[16:27] <Riddell> dholbach: not thought about it no
[16:28]  * ScottK would have thought it was reasonably obvious.
[16:28]  * ScottK doesn't touch Xubuntu stuff without talking to Xuubntu people first.
[16:28] <vibhav> Ive observed some ubuntu-deltas with the vcs links still of debain instead of the bazaar vcs links
[16:28] <dholbach> I think it's important enough - and would provide everybody with an update of what's going on in Kubuntu
[16:28] <vibhav> I agree with dholbach
[16:29] <vibhav> Explaining what universe actaully is might be the first step towards this
[16:29] <dholbach> are any other big changes with regard to Kubuntu en route?
[16:30] <Riddell> dholbach: not currently, the business side is waiting on canonical to sort out the trademark agreement
[16:30]  * dholbach nods
[16:30] <Riddell> otherwise it's business as usual
[16:30] <dholbach> but the universe move is already happening?
[16:30] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:30] <Riddell> dholbach: I believe cjwatson is on the case as we type
[16:30] <ScottK> Imminent.
[16:30] <dholbach> ok, cool
[16:30] <ScottK> It depends on if his coffee is large enoug.
[16:31] <dholbach> I hope this will play out posivitely for Kubuntu.
[16:31] <vibhav> We will also need to assure people that Kubuntu has not been discontinued
[16:31] <vibhav> or is dead
[16:32] <cjwatson> I think I may need a second coffee for it.
[16:32] <micahg> I don't think anyone has that opinion
[16:32] <dholbach> Ok, if that's all in terms of Kubuntu, I guess we can move on. Thanks a lot for the update in any case.
[16:33] <Laney> I think it's interesting for MOTU, and that there are also things that people need to be aware of.
[16:33] <Laney> That's all I wanted to raise.
[16:33] <Riddell> dholbach: if you see any powerful canonical people do get them to nudge steve george into doing the agreement
[16:33] <dholbach> Yes, thanks for that - I knew that the change was about to happen, but didn't know when.
[16:33] <cjwatson> I've checked that the CD images seem to be building with universe now, and I've checked all the archive scripts I can think of to make sure they won't explode
[16:34] <cjwatson> Then component-mismatches looks like it'll do this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041070/
[16:35] <vibhav> Does this mean, one can no longer install commercial apps in Kubuntu?
[16:35] <cjwatson> So I need to sit and think about how sane all that is
[16:35] <cjwatson> vibhav: Totally unrelated
[16:35] <vibhav> excuse me, I got a bit confused
[16:35] <Laney> let's keep it related to MOTU.
[16:36] <vibhav> yeah sure
[16:36] <vibhav> sorry :(
[16:37] <dholbach> ok, in that case - let's move on
[16:38] <dholbach> vibhav, you wanted to bring up the idea of a mascot - as I know this has been talked about in the past a couple of times, I would suggest you flesh out a concrete idea and submit it to the mailing list first - because we spent a lot of IRC hours on the topic already :)
[16:38] <AnAnt_> Hello
[16:38] <vibhav> yup
[16:38] <dholbach> hi AnAnt_
[16:38] <AnAnt_> sory for being late
[16:38] <dholbach> AnAnt_, no worries - maybe somebody can give you the logs of what we talked about up until now
[16:39] <dholbach> Looking at the agenda, I don't have much from the Developer Advisory Team to report, but the next agenda item might be good to talk about
[16:39] <AnAnt_> ok
[16:39] <dholbach> #topic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[16:39] <dholbach> Andrew Starr-Bochicchio and I had a stab at updating it for the bug fixing initiative for the next two weeks
[16:40] <dholbach> so I'd appreciate if you could take a look at it and say what you think about it
[16:40] <dholbach> or if you have suggestions for new small tasks we could offer to new contributors
[16:40] <vibhav> hmm...let me see
[16:41] <dholbach> I was quite happy with the typo-in-package-description-in-ubuntu-packages one, as some came up with fixes very quickly and for some it was their first interaction with the ubuntu development process and the ones I talked to enjoyed it
[16:41] <dholbach> I plan to announce the initiative on monday and also blog about the contributors from the fixes which already went in
[16:41] <vibhav> "Correcting VCS links for Ubuntu Deltas"
[16:41] <ScottK> Is that really worth the trouble?
[16:42] <vibhav> nope, but still baby steps for new contributors
[16:42]  * coolbhavi just mailed doodle poll on MOTU school to the list
[16:43] <ScottK> Part of motivating new people is that their contributions feel useful.
[16:43] <ScottK> Don't make the stuff too obviously make work.
[16:43]  * vibhav slaps forhead
[16:44] <dholbach> ScottK, is there anything you'd suggest?
[16:44] <dholbach> or any feedback on the page? :)
[16:44]  * ScottK looks
[16:44] <vibhav> The page looks perfect to me
[16:45] <vibhav> It includes all the ways I started with MOTU contribution
[16:45] <ScottK> Missing man pages?
[16:46] <dholbach> ah yes, that might work
[16:46] <dholbach> we'd need to point to some good documentation
[16:46] <Laney> http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/quantal/tags.html
[16:46] <Laney> there must be some stuff in there
[16:46] <dholbach> and how to get them included in the top-most upstream project :)
[16:47] <micahg> vibhav: in most cases, the Vcs links don't need correcting, it's either lp:ubuntu/foo or specified, and certainly isn't worth an upload to add XS-Debian-*
[16:47] <dholbach> maybe we could check if there's "home-grown" packages where we could add man pages and add these as a task for new contributors
[16:47] <AnAnt_> ah, tags !
[16:47] <dholbach> and for more experienced contributors add the step of forwarding the manpages to an upstream project?
[16:47] <AnAnt_> I mean adding deb tags
[16:47] <AnAnt_> I mean adding deb tags to packages
[16:47] <ScottK> http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/quantal/tags/debhelper-but-no-misc-depends.html for packages that have an Ubuntu diff might be good.
[16:48] <ScottK> They can submit the diff to Debian too for those that are in Debian.
[16:48] <AnAnt_> adding deb tags is maybe not packaging work, but it is a good contribution I think
[16:48] <vibhav> fixing lintian errors is one of the best ways to get started with MOTU imho
[16:48] <Laney> http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/quantal/tags/brace-expansion-in-debhelper-config-file.html
[16:49] <AnAnt_> debtags.alioth.debian.org/
[16:49] <dholbach> ScottK, Laney: both good ideas - would you mind adding them to the page? I then could try to find a way to easily filter out packages which are only in Ubuntu, so we could separate the two groups of packages
[16:50] <dholbach> AnAnt_, are there good instructions for debtags at the page or is there a list for tags which are currently requested or wanted?
[16:50] <ScottK> dholbach: I'm multitasking about three ways right now, so no.
[16:50] <dholbach> ScottK, I know the feeling
[16:51] <AnAnt_> dholbach: yes, it can be done on the website itself, one selects from a list of existing tabs for each package
[16:51] <dholbach> AnAnt_, I think it's a nice idea - could you imagine adding a couple of sentences to the wiki page about the effort?
[16:52] <AnAnt_> dholbach: this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings ?
[16:52] <dholbach> ah no, sorry
[16:52] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[16:52] <AnAnt_> ok
[16:53] <AnAnt_> hmmm, it isn't really related to BugFixing
[16:53] <dholbach> great - this should give us heaps of tasks for new contributors in the next two weeks :)
[16:53] <Laney> I added something
[16:53] <dholbach> thanks a lot Laney
[16:53] <dholbach> ScottK, I noted down your idea, so I'll see if I can do about it tomorrow
[16:53] <Laney> it might not be very new-contributor friendly, so somebody should proof read
[16:53] <dholbach> I have another meeting after this one and then need to head out
[16:54] <dholbach> Laney, if it's too hard, we could just move it to the "intermediate" section or however we want to call it :)
[16:55] <Laney> ok
[16:55] <Laney> I meant my wording :P
[16:55] <dholbach> AnAnt_, it might still be a nice introduction - even if it's a tiny little bit unrelated - it's still worthwhile :)
[16:55] <Laney> but I see your point also
[16:55] <dholbach> haha ok
[16:55] <dholbach> I'll take a look at it tomorrow
[16:55] <AnAnt_> ok
[16:55] <dholbach> ok, we have 5 minutes left - is there anything else we should talk about?
[16:56] <dholbach> I don't mind doing the minutes, but I'll do them tomorrow, and for the next meeting and meeting chair we'll wait on the results of the discussion on the mailing list
[16:56] <dholbach> If there's nothing more, I'd like to thank all of you for coming - keep up the good work! :-)
[16:57] <AnAnt_> thanks
[16:57] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[16:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 16:57:09 2012 UTC.
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[16:59] <vibhav> good night!