[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:29] <pieter2627> morning all
[09:11] <Kilos> morning all
[09:30] <Kerbero> Ahh oom Kilos, goeiemore!
[09:30] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[09:52] <thatgraemeguy> good aftermornoon
[15:13] <Kilos> hey all you clever peeps are there certain days that flights are cheaper
[15:15] <Kilos> dont all rush to answer at once
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:23] <MaNI> yes
[15:23] <MaNI> but I can't remember which, mid week and late on sunday usually IIRC
[15:24] <MaNI> to do with when the business people commute
[15:24] <Kilos> oh my
[15:25] <Kilos> this is all strange territory for me
[15:25] <Kilos> and kinda frightening
[16:57] <superfly> Kilos: Sundays and Tuesday / Wednesday I think
[16:58] <Kilos> ty superfly ill check them out too
[16:58] <superfly> Kilos: also, about 3 months in advance
[16:58] <Kilos> i cant do that superfly
[16:59] <Kilos> wanna be there for our 30 anniversary
[16:59] <Kilos> 31 dec is 30 years
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:00] <Kilos> wbb
[17:01] <gremble> In 30 years?
[17:03] <kulelu88> yo
[17:05] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[17:06] <kulelu88> howzit guys?
[17:07] <gremble> I am well thanks.
[17:07] <gremble> Yourself?
[17:07] <kulelu88> all good
[17:11] <kulelu88> things have been too quiet here
[17:14] <Kilos> hi gremble kulelu88
[17:15] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[17:16] <Kilos> i got a mail about linux sysadmin training for $179 if you interested
[17:17] <Kilos> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/tials-of-system-administration/2xvcrl/675584119
[17:22] <gremble> So expensive :o
[17:23] <Kilos> what isnt
[17:23] <Kilos> try buying a plane ticket to the other side of the world
[17:31] <kulelu88> where you going? Kilos
[17:31] <kulelu88> with the exchange rate, that 179 is a bit steep
[17:31] <Kilos> to aus
[17:31] <kulelu88> bad time of the year Kilos . Peak summer in Aus also
[17:32] <Kilos> i love hot weather
[17:32] <Kilos> just the flight costs are killers
[17:32] <Kilos> i wanted t have left already but the visa app taking time
[17:33] <Kilos> if i knew how id go on a cargo plane
[17:33] <kulelu88> try shipping yourself
[17:33] <Kilos> how
[17:34] <kulelu88> speak to DHL
[17:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:34] <Kilos> you mean couriers
[17:34] <Kilos> haha
[17:38] <kulelu88> its worth a try
[17:40] <Kilos> ive just looked at their site
[17:40] <Kilos> nothing about shipping peeps
[17:40] <Kilos> but id go that way if it was cheaper
[17:41] <Kilos> 36 hours without food isnt a prob
[18:05] <kulelu88> toilet may be the bigger issue, but they should have toilets on cargo planes
[18:05] <Kilos> unless the pilot is a robot
[18:05] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:06] <Kilos> all well there
[18:06] <inetpro> good, good and there?
[18:06] <Kilos> yes ty
[18:06] <inetpro> you have your visa yet oom Kilos?
[18:06] <Kilos> no man sigh
[18:06] <Kilos> hopefully wednesday
[18:06] <inetpro> ai!
[18:07] <Kilos> i think they trying to stress me to death first
[19:02] <Kilos> night all.sleep tight
[19:50] <magespawn> good evening
[19:51] <gremble> Hey magespawn
[19:58] <magespawn> hi gremble
[19:58] <magespawn> do you sleep at all?
[20:00] <gremble> I try not to. I'll sleep when I'm old. Right now I have stuff to do
[20:00] <gremble> haha
[20:01] <magespawn> mmm, what is old?
[20:02] <gremble> When I can't do things anymore. Right now it is looking like that'll be 90, since my grandfather is 87 and still going strong.
[20:04] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:05] <gremble> Haha but in seriousness. I work better at night because it is quiet
[20:05] <gremble> So I tend to sleep late
[20:06] <magespawn> i thought maybe there was a specific age
[20:08] <magespawn> ahh, that would work for me too, except the people paying the invoice want me there during day time
[20:08] <gremble> Oh haha. Were you hoping it wasn't yours?
[20:08] <gremble> :P
[20:10] <magespawn> the invoice? no, i was hoping it was mine
[20:11] <gremble> Haha the age. :P
[20:12] <magespawn> ha, no i sill feel the same way
[20:12] <magespawn> s/sill/still
[20:37] <magespawn> time for bed, good night
[20:39] <kulelu88> totsiens mag
[20:39] <kulelu88> magespawn


[07:50] <ppisati> moin
[09:15] <mitya57> hi all, while trying to fix bug 1157421 I noticed that blktap-dkms depends on linux-headers-generic, which on 12.04.2 pulls in 3.2.x headers, not 3.5 headers
[09:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157421 in blktap-dkms (Ubuntu Precise) "blktap-dkms version in 12.04.2 is not compatible with the 12.04.2 kernel" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157421
[09:16] <mitya57> my question is: what should I do if I want to make my package build against 3.5 headers?
[09:17] <mitya57> I probably even want it to be 3.5 for those with kernel 3.5 and 3.2 for others
[09:24] <amitk> smb: apw: is there a meta package I can install to get the latest mainline kernels from the mainline PPA? Or is it always a manual process?
[09:24] <amitk> nouveau is horribly broken in 3.8
[09:25] <amitk> and nvidia binary drivers too
[09:25] <smb> amitk, afaik always manual
[09:26] <amitk> smb: is it done on purpose? or did s
[09:26] <amitk> oops
[09:26] <amitk> smb: or was it just lack of time to do this?
[09:28] <smb> amitk, No I suppose it is deliberate
[09:28] <smb> amitk, Those are for testing not for constant use
[09:29] <amitk> smb: -rc2 / -rc3 not fit for constant use?!!! You must be joking...
[09:29] <amitk> ;)
[09:29] <smb> amitk, you know I am never joking :-P
[09:31] <smb> amitk, Would be good to find things to unbreak nouveau at least in the raring kernel
[09:31] <AceLan> mitya57: man dkms and read BUILD_EXCLUSIVE_KERNEL=
[09:34] <mitya57> AceLan: it would *build* against the exclusive kernel, I wondered what should I do with dependencies (which should be installed before building)
[09:35] <mitya57> anyway jamespage sais that that dependency was not actually needed
[09:35] <mitya57> *says
[09:36] <amitk> smb: it must be some interaction between the latest unity and nouveau that breaks it, atleast on my desktop (bug 1154431)
[09:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1154431 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity doesn't start up" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154431
[09:39] <smb> amitk, That isn't by chance some dual-monitor setup? Just asking because I had some hilarious effects with that on a laptop with ati graphics.
[09:40] <smb> Otherwise maybe RAOF is interested (if he is not asleep by now)
[09:41] <amitk> smb: I dare not even plugin my second monitor at this point. First X wouldn't start (at all), then unity wouldn't, now it crashes whenever I hit the windows key to bring up the dash (?)
[09:42] <smb> quality...
[09:44] <amitk> smb: to be fair, progress has been made, so i hope to have a useable desktop by release
[09:45]  * cking grabs a screwdriver..
[09:48] <smb> amitk, Yeah, there is always that hope. Just seems that there is quite a lot to cover. apw had a lot of fun with some older i915, I had the (older) ati fun and the cirrus gfx used by VMs by default has issues as well.
[09:49] <ogra_> amitk, its all fine, we will ship a piece of duct tape along with the images so you can lock your win key  to not do that
[09:54] <amitk> ogra_: :) Add Alt+Tab and the browser to that blacklist.
[09:54] <ogra_> yeah, no prob :)
[09:54] <ogra_> with ubuntu touch we have our own browser anyway now
[09:54] <amitk> ogra_: we do?
[09:55] <ogra_> yep
[09:55] <ogra_> the great thing is it cant do tabs ... one websire is enough for everyone !
[09:55] <ogra_> *website
[09:57] <amitk> ogra_: lol
[09:57] <ogra_> so much less confusion when surfing :)
[09:58] <ogra_> and indeed no bookmarks either, finally something that trains your brain
[09:58] <amitk> we have been getting to lazy, that's true
[09:58] <amitk> *too
[10:08] <amitk> bjf: your bot confirmed the bug I filed, have you seen this elsewhere? I've just posted a link to the 3.9 tree that might fix bug 1158689
[10:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158689 in linux (Ubuntu) "nouveau and nvidia binary drivers are broken for GeForce 8400 GS" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158689
[10:10] <apw> amitk, no no meta they arn't in a repo after all
[10:12] <amitk> apw: ack, makes sense (not in a repo). Would be handy though, to allow users to upgrade to the latest crack automatically to find if their problems are fixed (so they can report back when it is fixed)
[10:13] <ppisati> apw: when you're awake and fuly operational
[10:13] <ppisati> apw: i've a quest for you
[10:13] <apw> ppisati, a guest ?
[10:14] <ppisati> apw: a quest
[10:14] <ppisati> apw: have you ever played to D&D?
[10:15] <ogra_> with guests ?
[10:15] <ppisati> ogra_: maybe :)
[10:15] <ppisati> ogra_: not necessarily
[10:23] <apw> ppisati, d&d a long long time ago
[10:24] <ppisati> apw: just kidding
[10:24] <ppisati> apw: well, it's debian packaging question
[10:25] <ppisati> apw: basically, i just noticed that renaming 'omap' to 'generic'
[10:25] <apw> ppisati, yep
[10:25] <ppisati> apw: one of the side effect was that a lot of modules are not part of linux-image anymore
[10:25] <apw> ahh yesh they are in in linux-image-extra
[10:25] <ppisati> apw: but are moved to
[10:26] <ppisati> apw: right
[10:26] <ppisati> apw: do you exctly know where i should put my hands to fix it?
[10:26] <apw> ppisati, i am not sure as things are you can, generic is either split or it is not
[10:26] <apw> that may be or may not be a problem
[10:27] <apw> we could just ignore it and make the meta for arm -generic the same so it pulls in both
[10:27] <ppisati> apw: uhm ok
[10:27] <ppisati> apw: but in that case i want to do some adjustment first
[10:28] <ppisati> apw: like moving some 'vital' modules to -image
[10:28] <apw> ppisati, yeah that would be sensible indeed, the split is to allow virtual to be smaller
[10:28] <apw> ppisati, and it depends if we will ever have an arm virtual
[10:28] <ppisati> apw: and, besides, image-extra fails to install for some yet unknown reason
[10:29] <ppisati> apw: i mean, if it's easy to put a check like 'apply this split rule on if arch != armhf'
[10:29] <ppisati> apw: then i would like to do it
[10:29] <apw> ppisati, when i have fixed this cve issue henrix has me looking at i'll see how easy it is to do just that
[10:29] <ppisati> apw: ok, thanks
[10:29] <apw> ppisati, yep
[10:40]  * ppisati back in 20
[10:59] <brendand_> henrix, is the lucid kernel in -proposed the last one coming through before end of desktop support?
[11:02] <henrix> brendand_: i don't think so. i believe we'll have another one - there's a regression being worked out at the moment
[11:08] <apw> henrix, ok the matrix is updated, i think that looks better
[11:09] <henrix> apw: yep, it does! cool!
[11:09] <apw> henrix, a heap of raring went to released, which is a good sign
[11:10] <henrix> apw: yeah, i've seen that. uff... finally this is sorted out :)
[11:11] <apw> henrix, we only add versions so very rarely that i always forget
[11:11] <henrix> apw: and soon we'll be *removing* 2 versions ;)
[11:28] <apw> henrix, yeah looking forward to losing those
[11:28] <apw> henrix, are you going to review and push the latest autotriage or shall i
[11:29] <henrix> apw: hmm... push? isn't the push done automagically?
[11:30] <apw> henrix, the autotriager pulls in our stuff and merges their stuff and produces a result, we still have to pull that down review it and push it to where security pulls if we are happy
[11:30] <apw> henrix, someone must be doing that for the thing to be getting to security though
[11:30] <apw> so we maybe missunderstanding each other
[11:31] <henrix> apw: mumble?
[11:31] <apw> henrix, can't from here, not enough bandwidth
[12:08] <apw> henrix, bjf, sconklin, FYI the linux-overlay file is now in the security repo as active/10autotriage.linux
[12:08] <apw> (i didn't chose the name :))
[12:08] <apw> choose
[12:29] <ppisati> bjf: i'm doing the topic branches rebases right now
[12:52] <apw> henrix, what was this latest respin ?
[12:53] <henrix> apw: yep, unless something urgent comes up, this was the last respin
[12:53] <apw> henrix, which series
[12:53] <henrix> apw: Hardy and Oneiric
[12:54] <henrix> apw: from the kt meeting minutes: "Note: This is the week the last Hardy and Oneiric kernels may be built." :)
[12:54] <apw> ahh ok this is a normal spin
[12:55] <henrix> apw: ups, i messed up your question with your pm :)
[12:56] <apw> yeah was asking about the ppisati rebases, to know if i was expecting any lowlatency ones
[12:57] <apw> if it is a normal 3 weekly batch this time, then i guess yes :)
[12:58] <henrix> yep
[13:00]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:15] <stefanct> can someone please give me some up to date pointers to the state of the -realtime kernel? all i find is outdated information referencing bogani's PPA
[13:31] <zequence> stefanct: There's no realtime kernel since 9.10
[13:31] <zequence> stefanct: linux-lowlatency has taken its place, which is not a realtime kernel
[13:34] <stefanct> that's the history of the official repositories only(?) but apparently there were some efforts by bogani regarding 12.04?
[13:35] <stefanct> but essentially... if i want a -rt or -realtime (i.e. ubuntu flavoured or vanilla kernel + rt patches (whatever is left of them/not upstream yet)), i'll have to grab the patch and build it myself, right?
[13:40] <stefanct> -lowlatency does not improve my use case AFAICS
[13:41] <stefanct> my problem is that clock_nanosleep with TIMER_ABSTIME sleeps way too long
[13:42] <stefanct> 		clock_nanosleep(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, TIMER_ABSTIME, &sync_ts, NULL);
[13:42] <stefanct> 		clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, &ts);
[13:42] <zequence> stefanct: There was no effort on getting the -rt in. At least no real one
[13:42] <stefanct> for a sync_ts.tv_nsec of 0
[13:42] <stefanct> results in 00:01:07.000011587
[13:42] <stefanct> i.e. constantly >10us "too late"
[13:42] <stefanct> it never comes even close
[13:43] <stefanct> and that is with cpu shielding, SCHED_RR etc on an idle machine
[13:43] <zequence> I think Bogani kept the door open for that, but no one else was interested at the time. There's a small chance the we in the Ubuntu Studio team might be interested in reintroducing it
[13:43] <stefanct> np, i have to patch my kernel anyway for my project
[13:44] <stefanct> i just need to find out if the -rt patch would help me at all and that would have been easier with a binary
[13:44] <stefanct> need to run now, bbl
[13:44] <zequence> stefanct: Debian has a -rt kernel
[13:44] <zequence> debian wheezy
[13:45] <stefanct> ok, will look into that, thx
[14:17] <ppisati> bjf: the multiple closure in q/master is giving me (actually kteam-tools/maintscripts/verify-release-ready)
[14:18] <ppisati> bjf: i'll have to mangle a bit the syntax
[14:19] <ppisati> bjf: uhm no
[14:20] <ppisati> bjf: during the 'unique release tracking bug'
[14:20] <ppisati> bjf: verify-release-ready tries to parse the last section of debian.master/changelog
[14:20] <ppisati> bjf: and since it can't find the Release Tracking Bugs there
[14:20] <ppisati> bjf: check fails
[14:21] <bjf> ppisati, after you rebase, don't you go into the changelog and add the correct tracking bug information?
[14:22] <ppisati> bjf: yes i do
[14:22] <ppisati> bjf: but it tries to compare my tracking bug
[14:22] <ppisati> bjf: with the one found in master
[14:22] <ppisati> bjf: but since last section in master doesn't contain one
[14:22] <tjaalton> heads-up, bug 140716 is a regression on precise and quantal kernels
[14:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 140716 in skktools (Ubuntu) "[Sync request] Sync skktools (1.2+0.20061004-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140716
[14:22] <tjaalton> uh
[14:22] <ppisati> bjf: it fails
[14:22] <tjaalton> bug 1140716
[14:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1140716 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic GPU hangs" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716
[14:23] <tjaalton> seems to hit sandybridge machines
[14:23] <bjf> ppisati, ok, don't sweat it. if you are happy with your rebase and it builds well pull it in and look at what verify-release-ready is having trouble with
[14:24] <ppisati> bjf: ok, just wnated to prevent an error in the SRU pipeline later
[14:24] <bjf> ppisati, thanks for the heads-up, sconklin will deal with it :-)
[14:24] <ppisati> bjf: ok :)
[14:26] <sconklin> What bus?
[14:34] <bjf> jsalisbury, you want to do some bisecting of kernels to find the issue with ^ that tjaalton just mentioned
[14:50] <bjf> infinity, the regression found in lucid kernel 2.6.32-46.105 was actually introduced in 2.6.32-45.104 how do you feel about pushing .105 into -updates ?
[14:51] <infinity> bjf: Doesn't hurt my feelings terribly, if jjohansen is cool with it too.
[14:51] <infinity> bjf: if so, just update the bug to lie about passing regression testing and let the bot do its thing.
[14:52] <bjf> infinity, ack
[15:09] <rtg> apw, can you have a look at raring master-next tip and tell me why the CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM and CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM enforcement rules are failing ?
[15:10]  * rtg -> back in a bit
[15:35] <jsalisbury> bjf, yes, I'll do a bisect for that bug
[15:35] <bjf> jsalisbury, thanks
[15:37] <josepht> the red/green are reversed
[15:37] <josepht> red for up, green for down
[15:54] <bjf> jjohansen, ?
[16:17] <ppisati> rtg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637397/
[16:21] <apw> rtg, yep
[16:22] <rtg> apw, nevermind, ppisatisuggested a fix
[16:23] <apw> ok
[16:25] <rtg> apw, just pushed 3.8.4 rebase plus omap4->generic. off to do some build and boot testing.
[16:25] <apw> rtg, great
[16:29] <apw> rtg, i think the do_extras_package twiddle is probabally 'the wrong thing' we should probabally be cleverer (it is still the right thing for right now) maybe we can brainstorm when we are together
[16:30] <rtg> apw, I actually did it 2 ways. first I thought that we shuold just hard code the logic in the generic debian rules, but then I remembered that Xen is forthcoming for armhf.
[16:31] <apw> yeah, i suspect that logic should be more like 'list per flavour/arch of inclusion lists' or something
[16:31] <rtg> apw, maybe what we ought to do is revisit the extras package and 'generic' name dependency.
[16:31] <apw> anyhow, that is a beer discussion, and whats there is purfectly servicable to get us past here
[16:31] <apw> rtg, right ... i think it is a 'put the contents of this list in this package name for this arch/flavour' thing we need
[16:32] <apw> so extras goes away as a thing and becomes a parameterisation of the new thing
[16:32] <apw> i'll have a thing and bring a propsal to our meet
[16:32] <rtg> get it on the agenda
[16:32] <rtg> (so we look busy)
[16:33] <bjf> if it isn't written down, it didn't happen
[16:33] <apw> rtg will do
[16:35] <apw> rtg, bjf, done
[16:56]  * ppisati -> gym -> EOW
[17:27] <jjohansen> infinity, bjf: I am fine with pushing 2.6.32-46.105 into updates
[17:27] <infinity> jjohansen: Good, cause I did so about 3 minutes ago.
[17:27] <jjohansen> hehe
[17:33]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:05] <rtg> henrix, is this the result of a stable patch? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4392085/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-ia64.linux_2.6.32-46.106_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:05] <henrix> rtg: yes
[18:06] <henrix> rtg: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/3/20/553
[18:08] <rtg> henrix, it likely affects PPC
[18:08] <rtg> as well
[18:08] <henrix> rtg: no, i don't think it does. let me check...
[18:08] <bjf> sconklin, i guess i'm ok with doing a revert, and pulling in the new patch
[18:09] <bjf> sconklin, after it's reviewed on the mailing list
[18:09] <henrix> rtg: mips, blackfin, ia64, parisc and tile
[18:09] <henrix> (from the discussion in lkml)
[18:09] <rtg> henrix, right, mips was the upstream complaint
[18:09] <henrix> here's ben's proposed patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/3/20/712
[18:10] <henrix> but i'm not sure if that's the solution that will be adopted by stable
[18:10] <sconklin> bjf: it's a fast respin for lucid, there are no dependent or derivative packages
[18:10] <bjf> sconklin, henrix, then i think we just revert and wait for it to come through stable
[18:10] <henrix> bjf: yeah, that's my preferrence too
[18:12] <henrix> bjf: i've seen this prob earlier today and forgot it could affect us. didn't remember we supported ia64 for lucid :p
[18:12] <bjf> sconklin, so let's go with a revert
[18:14] <sconklin> I'll just count this as two acks and apply it?
[18:14] <bjf> rtg, ^ work for you?
[18:14] <rtg> bjf, its a simple patch
[18:14] <rtg> so, yes I'm OK with it
[18:14] <sconklin> I'll let someone else pull and have a look at master-next before I wrap it up
[18:15] <bjf> rtg, you are ok with the revert?
[18:15] <rtg> bjf, or we could just apply the proposed upstream patch, its just an ifdef for various arches
[18:16] <sconklin> ok, next question. One CVE patch hit master-next since I spun it, I plan to include that while I'm respinning
[18:16] <sconklin> everyone ok with that also?
[18:16] <bjf> sconklin, yes with the additional CVE patch
[18:16] <rtg> CVE patches are special :)
[18:16] <kamal> lalalalalala
[18:17] <bjf> sconklin, i agree with rtg now, lets just take the upstream patch for the busted CVE patch
[18:17] <kamal> QA ... Friday-style!
[18:17] <kamal> ;-)
[18:17] <rtg> kamal, racing up on beer time. things get decided quickly.
[18:18]  * kamal gets out of the way
[18:18] <bjf> sconklin, let's run it accross the mailing list but i think you got two acks
[18:18] <bjf> sconklin, so just plow on ahead with it
[18:18] <sconklin> ack, that makes it a lot less pressure
[18:18] <sconklin> mail the patch
[18:18] <henrix> bjf: rtg: please note the comment in ben's patch: "we can use one of the attached (untested) patches..."
[18:19] <rtg> henrix, yeah, but its pretty obvious.
[18:19] <bjf> henrix, i guess we'll be testing it :-)
[18:19] <rtg> its actually a compile time check
[18:19] <henrix> rtg: bjf: ack, i'm ok with that then :)
[18:19] <apw> heh ... cve fun indeed
[18:19] <henrix> apw: its been a *long* day :)
[18:20] <apw> heh seems so indeed
[18:21] <sconklin> long week. I started monday by breaking half the world
[18:26] <sconklin> who's mailing the patch?
[18:28] <henrix> sconklin: i can do that
[18:28] <rtg> sconklin, I thought henrix ...
[18:28] <henrix> but actually you need 2 patches
[18:28] <henrix> give me 1 min to prep it
[18:28] <sconklin> ok, I just didn't want all of us to assume someone else was handling it :-)
[18:35] <henrix> ok, i've just sent the patches to the mailing list
[18:36] <henrix> note that i haven't build tested them
[18:37] <rtg> henrix, I'll handle 'em
[18:37] <henrix> rtg: ack, thanks
[18:40]  * henrix will call it a day before someone finds another broken cve
[18:40] <bjf> quick, run away
[18:40] <henrix> heh :)
[18:43] <apw> jsalisbury, on bug #1157952 ... it might make sense to make a raring kernel for him with that applied to test ... i would be unsure if they can boot non-ubuntu kernels easily in that environment
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157952 in linux (Ubuntu) "SCSI keysense errors on console with Raring (3.8 kernel) within Windows Azure" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157952
[18:45] <rtg> bjf, sconklin: pushed lucid master-next if you'd like to start packaging
[18:46] <sconklin> rtg: on it
[18:46] <henrix> rtg: btw, these 2 patches should be aplied to all the other series, /me thinks (i haven't tried to apply them)
[18:46] <rtg> henrix, depends on if we have the affected arches. I don't think we do after lucid
[18:46] <henrix> rtg: otoh we may wait for the stable updates, as we're not breaking builds on them
[18:47] <henrix> rtg: true, i don't think so as well
[18:47] <rtg> henrix, then lets just wait on stable
[18:47] <henrix> rtg: ack
[18:47]  * henrix -> EOD (again)
[18:51] <jsalisbury> apw, ack
[18:59] <arges> hey. when i run 'fdr genconfig', why do I not see the virtual flavor configs? is this a separate command?
[19:01] <rtg> arges, virt is generated from generic using inclusion lists.
[19:02] <rtg> depends on the release. some are a bit different
[19:02] <arges> rtg: yea I noticed 3.2 has the config.flavor.virtual, while Q/R don't have this. I assume Q/R use inclusion lists
[19:02] <rtg> arges, yes IIRC
[19:03] <arges> rtg: so there is there a mechanism to get a config file by using genconfigs... or should I just boot a kernel and the config from there
[19:03] <rtg> arges, for virt ?
[19:03] <arges> rtg: yup
[19:04] <rtg> fdr clean prepare-virtual ?
[19:04] <arges> rtg:  i dont seem to have that target in my raring tree
[19:05] <rtg> arges, ok, for raring the config is the same as generic.
[19:05] <rtg> fdr clean prepare-generic
[19:06] <arges> hmm, dont' see to have that one either
[19:06] <arges> rtg: i'll look it up later. for now getting this from a VM will work
[19:07] <rtg> arges, ok, its working for me
[19:07] <arges> hmm
[19:08] <kamal> ~/src/linux/ubuntu-raring$ fakeroot debian/rules prepare-generic     <--- works for me too
[19:08] <arges> i'm in master-next
[19:08] <arges> not sure if that matters
[19:08] <arges> rtg: ahh in master it works. not master-next
[19:08] <rtg> shouldn't
[19:08] <rtg> it works in master-next as wekk
[19:08] <rtg> well*
[19:09] <arges> probably something i did
[19:27] <rtg> apw, still around ? please review ubuntu-raring-meta 'UBUNTU: Rename omap to generic'
[19:28] <rtg> oh, 7:30 in the UK. apw should be off quaffing a Friday beer.
[19:56]  * rtg -> EOW


[23:23] <Stupendoussteve> damnfs: You can Match Group ____ and then enable TCP forwarding for just them
[23:24] <homiziado> Hello guys, question: just bought a fitpc2 - www.fit-pc.com - but turns out i can't connect it to a tv, could I configure if from a laptop with an ethernet cable?
[23:27] <Pr0jectRec0n> hey all , I installed an application from source , and it got installed successfully
[23:27] <DasEi> homiziado: funny thing that.. humm, can it boot from a usb stick ? is there any possib to get visual output ?
[23:27] <maxwellian> Stupendoussteve: That looks interesting, thanks.  I've been wondering how to do this myself! :)
[23:28] <Pr0jectRec0n> but, I want to add it to my applications start menu - a kind of 'Launcher' - How do I do it ?
[23:28] <Chaiwalla> hello.  can someone help me figure out why I dont have any sound?
[23:28] <homiziado> well... on the tv I can boot but only in safe mode, no graphics
[23:28] <DasEi> !who | homiziado
[23:29] <codebrainz> Pr0jectRec0n, right click on the menu, click Edit Menu, add it through the GUI ... or add a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications
[23:29] <homiziado> sorry guys
[23:29] <soadkombucha> Is there any way that on one workspace I can disable the two panels while leaving them in place on the other 3?
[23:29] <Chaiwalla> can someone help me figure out why I dont have any sound?  I'm not sure if I removed the drivers or something?
[23:30] <DasEi> homiziado: so you got a tv out where you least can see the boot screen ?
[23:30] <vu1kan> !sound | Chaiwalla
[23:31] <homiziado> DasEi yes
[23:31] <DasEi> homiziado: can you boot a live cd ?
[23:31] <p4_> hi all!
[23:31] <hypercaine> hi
[23:31] <homiziado> DasEi the thing doesn't have cd drive
[23:31] <marc_> go
[23:32] <DasEi> homiziado: can you boot from usb ?
[23:32] <Pr0jectRec0n> codebrainz, thanks a lot
[23:32] <marc_> hi
[23:32] <homiziado> DasEi didn't try yet, what could I do if it booted from usb?
[23:32] <delinquentme> !rspec
[23:33] <delinquentme> can someone give me a one liner definition of what rspec does?
[23:33] <shruggar> is there anything I can use to get a visualization of already-playing audio? I'm playing an swf-streamed radio show on my TV (bigger speakers), and I'd like something other than a web-browser to look at in the mean time
[23:33] <soadkombucha> Does anyone know if there's a way to do what I want? to remove the applications panel and the program panel from one workspace while leaving it intact on the others?
[23:33] <DasEi> homiziado: or put the hd out and in your laptop ? if you could boot usb, can set up a custom live on usb, that provides a ss-server, then could connect from your lappi, is the tv out the only solution or is there vga, too ?
[23:34] <fcuk112_> for dvd ripping, is xvid or divx4 or divx5 better?
[23:34] <marc_> i dot know
[23:34] <codebrainz> delinquentme, "RSpec is a behavior driven development (BDD) framework for the Ruby programming language, inspired by JBehave.[1]  It contains its own mocking framework that is fully integrated into the framework based upon JMock." -wikipedia
[23:35] <homiziado> DasEi I think I can get the hd out and in the laptop most likely
[23:35] <delinquentme> codebrainz, thanks .. still is kinda chinese to me
[23:36] <codebrainz> delinquentme, me too :)  not much big on frameworks
[23:36] <jacob_> hey i know this is wrong question for here....but does any know where to get the atlantis plugin for compiz
[23:36] <Jhonny5> Hi
[23:36] <homiziado> DasEi tks a lot!
[23:36] <delinquentme> yeah its kinda more a rails question but no bites in #rubyonrails .. thanks tho!
[23:37] <DasEi> homiziado: that'll be easiest, then install headless system on hd by minimal installer and set up ssh on it, settle back and do the rest remtely -- but how is that box build, has it vga, too ?
[23:37] <Jhonny5> i want to upgrade ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04, can i upgrade directly or i have to pass first in 9.10 version?
[23:37] <soreau> jacob_: Why not ask in the right place if you know this is the wrong one? ;)
[23:37] <DasEi> Jhonny5: first 9.10
[23:38] <Jhonny5> DasEi, Ok, thanks. :)
[23:38] <jacob_> soreau: lol cause i've been away from ubuntu for about a year and don't remember the chat name for compiz
[23:38] <soreau> jacob_: #compiz
[23:38] <maxwellian> soreau: Surprise! ;)
[23:38] <jacob_> soreau: totally thought it was something different...ty
[23:38] <homiziado> DasEi only an hdmi port!
[23:38] <FloodBot3> !netsplit
[23:39] <codebrainz> jacob_, git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/plugins/atlantis  might work
[23:39] <DasEi> homiziado: aharr.. green line, hehe, and you have no 2000x200 widescreen I assume
[23:39] <purevol> ahoy all
[23:39] <soreau> codebrainz: No, it wont. At least, not with the 0.8 version of compiz that ubuntu uses by default
[23:39] <soreau> codebrainz: he would need to checkout the 0.8 branch of the plugin after cloning it
[23:40] <delinquentme> codebrainz, FYI ... i THINK this is what i was looking for ... (in a RoR context) rspec is used as the TESTING in " TDD" for the existence of the ACTUAL items in /app
[23:40] <codebrainz> soreau, cool, it was the only source i found in 3 minutes of googlage
[23:40] <purevol> anyone here running thunderbird 3.1 on lucid, and by chance using ubuntuzilla.py?
[23:41] <codebrainz> soreau, I'm not too fond of compiz, i got my wiggly windows and tiled window layout and I'm happy :)
[23:41] <homiziado> DasEi I think the problem when connecting to the tv is something about the resolution
[23:41] <vaul> I have a problem with poor HDTV performance, despite having enough powerful computer. Disablin compositing effects do not help.
[23:42] <DasEi> homiziado:well, there are converters to standard monitors, too
[23:42] <vaul> Codecs are installed.
[23:42] <vaul> Any ideas?
[23:42] <codebrainz> vaul, what player?
[23:43] <vaul> codebrainz: Totem, VLC — this do not matter, lag in both.
[23:43] <homiziado> DasEi I was trying to avoid buying a standrad monitor :p but if this doesn't work I think I'll do that
[23:43] <DasEi> homiziado: I experimented little with svga-outlets and scart concerning pc on tv, but the results werent too good, pc-monitor is always the better, and tft-  greener choice
[23:43] <codebrainz> vaul, in vlc, try changing the output module, try a few of those, otherwise i'm not sure
[23:44] <vaul> codebrainz: Okay, I'll try. Any other idea, beyond that? Why it do not work properly on Totem, for example?
[23:44] <soreau> jacob_: Having trouble figuring out how to get to #compiz? ;)
[23:44] <DasEi> homiziado: for now can just try to build an accesible system via the laptop and then try to configure the graphics, if there is a picutre at all, might work
[23:44] <wildbat> homiziado, it don't even have nvidia ION ~... the price .... mmm ~ you must be a green ppl for supporting it. anyway don't you have safemode working? or a !tty?
[23:45] <codebrainz> vaul, video drivers, output module (ie. x11 vs opengl vs whatever) ... that's all i can think of
[23:45] <homiziado> DasEi what do you mean with configuring the graphics?
[23:45] <jacob_> last dumb question.....to change channels in smuxi is simly  /j then channel name right?
[23:46] <homiziado> wildbat I have safemode working but I'm too much of a noob for being able to configure stuff without graphics
[23:46] <DasEi> homiziado: well, getting the used chipset of that cakebox, then friggling out how to configure it's driver and hdmi - new stuff for me, too
[23:47] <wildbat> !resolution | homiziado
[23:47] <DasEi> homiziado: for that you need a running, accesible system on that hardware
[23:47] <DasEi> !ssh
[23:47] <DasEi> !minimal
[23:47] <DasEi> homiziado: ^
[23:48] <vaul> codebrainz: Have proprietry drivers active, compiz disabled, those outputs tested.
[23:48] <vaul> codebrainz: Didn't work.
[23:48] <wildbat> !VNC | homiziado
[23:48] <ZykoticK9> vaul, are you using nvidia?
[23:48] <vaul> ZykoticK9: Yes.
[23:49] <homiziado> ubottu tks
[23:49] <DasEi> homiziado: that minimal installer allows you (expert-install) to have none but minimal software on it first, and then you can set up a repositorylist and install ssh, re-connect to cakebox and then use lappi to figure out your specs and needs
[23:49] <ZykoticK9> vaul, check out mplayer with VDPAU support - hardware graphics card assisted video rendering!  There is a vdpau PPA you can add, but you might be able to just install libvdpau1 and have it work with the PPA I believe.  Good luck.
[23:49] <DasEi> homiziado: ubott is the channel ro-bot
[23:50] <vaul> ZykoticK9: Can any other player suppor that?
[23:50] <ZykoticK9> vaul, sorry s/with/without the PPA
[23:50] <DasEi> homiziado: is there a OS on it now ?
[23:50] <ZykoticK9> vaul, the newest VLC (NOT in repo or probably packaged for Debian yet) has SOME sort of hardware support.
[23:50] <vaul> ZykoticK9: Okay, that's something to start with. I'll try, thank you.
[23:50] <homiziado> DasEi it comes with ubuntu pre-installed
[23:51] <homiziado> DasEi actually I'm a bit afraid to install something on top of it because it is somehow customized because of the graphics chip
[23:51] <DasEi> homiziado: aharr.. so that (minimal..) would be contraproductional then
[23:52] <soadkombucha> If I have a stable kernel should I not update to the newest one?
[23:52] <DasEi> homiziado: so basically you need a 10 min "in view to get ssh up and running then ... if you boot it on tv and ...
[23:52] <vaul> ZykoticK9: Reminded me of that xcbd comic: «—It took a lot of work, but that linux patch enables support for 4,096 CPU's, up from the old limit of 1,024. —Do you have support for smooth HDTV video playback? —No, but who uses that?»
[23:52] <DasEi> homiziado: press alt-ctrl-F2 ,  can you see a command line ?
[23:53] <ZykoticK9> vaul, :)  I didn't see that one.
[23:53] <homiziado> DasEi I don't have it here know, but I can get to the command line
[23:53] <homiziado> DasEi the things I was afraid to do on the command line was setting up a newuser adn I was thinking also having to put some autologin preferences?
[23:53] <DasEi> homiziado: so thats great then, its a 2-3 steps thing to make it accessable via ssh then
[23:54] <Scoobydoo> I'm setting a hotkey for opening the Python interpreter, What would be the way?
[23:54] <homiziado> DasEi after its configured I can access it with ssh -x?
[23:54] <NitzchONot> Anyone knows how can i 're-enable' burg bootloader? It got overwritten after Grub update..
[23:54] <DasEi> homiziado: you have the default user n pass ?
[23:54] <Scoobydoo>  /usr/bin/python would open it in the background?
[23:55] <homiziado> DasEi yes
[23:55] <DasEi> homiziado: rest no prob then, yes ssh x would also forward x apps
[23:56] <DasEi> homiziado: you have any additional display devices apart tv home ?
[23:56] <homiziado> DasEi just my laptop
[23:56] <NitzchONot> Anyone knows how can i 're-enable' burg bootloader? It got overwritten after Grub update..
[23:56] <homiziado> DasEi how do I know the ip of  the device?
[23:56] <maxwellian> Scoobydoo: What are you trying to do?  You want to open a terminal running the python interpreter?
[23:57] <Scoobydoo> maxwellian: Yup indeedy
[23:57] <maxwellian> Scoobydoo: What were you asking about running in the background?
[23:57] <DasEi> homiziado: least i know there are ways to get it on a tft , too, for sure easier to configure ;; ifconfig on cakebox shows it's ip, if configured
[23:58] <maxwellian> NitzchONot: Burg bootloader, I don't know what that is...
[23:58] <maxwellian> NitzchONot: Looking it up now...
[23:58] <NitzchONot> maxwellian, http://code.google.com/p/burg/
[23:58] <Scoobydoo> maxwellian: If I just put python or /usr/bin/python thats what it will do, Which of course won't be very good
[23:59] <Scoobydoo> Need to spawn a new window with the python interpreter in it
[23:59] <homiziado> DasEi I'll try doing ifconfig then
[23:59] <maxwellian> Scoobydoo: Do you know how to set a hotkey?


[04:51] <ripps> Wow, have to give the ati gallium devs credit, they're quickly approaching performance parity with the catalyst drivers. Now all we need is some form Video Acceleration for r300-r500 and I'll be a very happy camper.
[04:54] <RAOF> ripps: I'd try a little reverse-engineering if I were you; the gallium VA architecture is starting to materialise, so there'd be something to hook in to :)
[05:01] <bjsnider> ripps, yes but the tests were conducted with extremely old hardware.
[05:01] <ripps> bjsnider: like mine. I have an rv350 radeon 9600 pro
[05:02] <ripps> This is very good news for me
[05:02] <bjsnider> it would be helpful if the code also worked for the newer stuff too
[05:03] <ripps> at least r600g has xvmc, I'm still wallowing in xv only. I'd really like to offload just a small bit of video decoding to the gpu
[05:04] <bjsnider> there's no video decoding hardware on an old thing like that
[05:05] <ripps> shouldn't matter, from what I can tell, the upcoming gallium va architecture will shaders, not custom the uvd stuff in the catalyst anyway.
[05:06] <bjsnider> it would be most important to have help decoding h.264, and i seriously doubt an old gpu would help much
[05:06] <bjsnider> an old system like you undoubtedly have would not be much good for h.264 video
[05:06] <ripps> any help, no matter how small would be help greatly
[05:07] <bjsnider> you know what would be a better solution though...
[05:19] <bjsnider> new equipment
[05:21] <ripps> Actually, I've been looking at an upgrade soon. And I was planning to get an nvidia geforce gt 240. Mostly because I wanted access to a decent gpu that allowed for hd playback, and vdpau looked appealing.
[05:22] <ripps> However, seeing how much progress ati gallium is making, I'm kinda of two minds about it.
[05:23] <bjsnider> that has vdpau feature set c, which means it decodes just about everything
[05:23] <bjsnider> but hte gt 210 can come without a fan, has the same vdpau features, and makes no noise
[05:24] <ripps> actually, which is better? gt 240 or fermi 430? Both are bout the same in price, but the gt240 has gddr5, so shouldn't it be faster?
[05:24] <bjsnider> yeah, although the fermi has a more advanced gpu, with opengl 4
[05:25] <bjsnider> they both have feature set c
[05:25] <bjsnider> a more powerful card will be louder, which is a personal pet peeve, and i don't see how you take advantage of the speed on linux
[05:26] <ripps> it seems fermi is more target toward the htpc crowd, while gt is more focused toward gamers. Now I hardly ever play PC games, but it be nice to know I could If I ever wanted to.
[05:26] <bjsnider> you can't play them on linux though
[05:26] <bjsnider> unless you dual-boot it's irrelevant
[05:30] <ripps> I'm not opposed to dual-booting
[05:31] <ripps> But, the last time I had a windows partition, I hadn't boot into it in over a year. Then I erased the drive it was on a few months ago, and I haven't found the need to reinstall windows on it yet.
[05:32] <bjsnider> has that computer got a pci-express slot? it sounds like you've got an agp card now
[05:32] <ripps> bjsnider: my current computer doesn't, but I got an old mobo and cpu from dad recently, I just need a decent pci-e video card and a cpu fan.
[05:34] <ripps> my current computer is very old, so I'm looking forward to the new one. Unfortunately, the new cpu isn't that much faster than my current one, it's just 64-bit
[05:43] <ripps> bjsnider: so, you think I'd like the fermi 430 better because it would produce less heat, and therefore less noise?
[06:29] <evilvish> lastlog jbs
[06:31] <evilvish> hmm, is jbs a bot or ..? looks like he isnt active he except for the nickchange spam
[06:32] <evilvish> active here*
[13:24] <runeks> hello ubuntu-x
[13:24] <runeks> how are we today?
[13:28] <runeks> ok, not a lot happening in here I can see. i'll just let my question linger then: i can see from old IRC logs that the llvmpipe driver was once included in the xorg-edgers PPA, is there any chance it will be that again in the future? i would really like to try it out, but I must admit that compiling mesa (and all the other things necessary) are too much for me right now, so it'd be perfect if xorg-edgers packaged this. any chance
[13:28] <runeks> of this happening in the future? running the Gallium drivers for my RV670 now BTW, runs *perfectly* (and quicker than mesa classic!). thanks for this awesome PPA!
[14:34] <shadeslayer> \o
[14:34] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.org/133512 is some weird stuff happening with a friends install
[14:35] <shadeslayer> he has ubuntu 10.10 ...
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Also bug 702341 << some weird stuff with his synaptics touchpad ( Cross posted from #ubuntu-kernel since i dont know which channel this should go in )
[14:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702341 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "synaptics touchpad does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 416)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702341
[14:36] <evilvish> shadeslayer: did you try kicking the friend? (not the install)
[14:36]  * evilvish hides..
[14:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:37] <shadeslayer> evilvish: didnt work :P
[14:37] <shadeslayer> he's new to this ;)
[14:39]  * evilvish smiles at the scan! and wonders what bollywood has to do with capacitors  ;p
[14:40] <shadeslayer> lol :
[14:40] <shadeslayer> evilvish: http://imagebin.org/133511
[14:40] <shadeslayer> not limited to a particular area
[14:40] <shadeslayer> and is completely randomn
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series << Graphics Card
[14:46] <evilvish> shadeslayer: hey, so your exams are over now?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> evilvish: yep :)
[14:46] <shadeslayer> why are you evil? :P
[14:48] <evilvish> shadeslayer: you use evilslayer too, right? ;)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> not right now :P
[14:57] <bjsnider> ripps, it's tough to say. i use a graphics card that has feature set c, no fan, and the speed is fine for me, but i don't do any gaming or anything. it runs the composited desktop admirably. for me, graphics card noise is a huge annoyance. for you, it might not be
[15:14] <gord> hi all, can anyone confirm that xorg edgers (and the new xorg) work with nvidia? would like to upgrade to do some testing with unity
[15:16] <Sarvatt> not with the proprietary drivers
[15:16] <gord> great, will hold off for a while then
[15:33] <runeks_> is there any chance that the llvmpipe driver will be included in xorg-edgers again any time soon? i can see from IRC logs that it once was.
[15:43] <runeks> just testing IRC via Empathy
[15:47] <runeks> seems to work :)
[16:15] <runeks> i'm off for now. if anyone knows anything about when the llvmpipe driver might be available in xorg edgers PPA, please write an answer here. i'll just look in the IRC logs for the answer, when time permits. good day everyone!
[17:23] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ugh what a mess in that bug you linked. looks like ati broke userspace and that commit was picked up in 2.6.35 stable?
[17:27] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?h=7.9&id=773e8fadc8b19aaba5d13f75ac5810badb3968c4 (post 7.9.0...)
[17:51] <bjsnider> if a thin like that is in the stable kernel, that ought to make linus very happy
[17:54] <Sarvatt> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24802
[17:54] <Sarvatt> thats.. nasty
[17:54] <ubot4> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 24802 in Video(DRI - non Intel) "Graphics errors with Radeon KMS driver on RV770" [Normal,New]
[17:55] <Sarvatt> mesa 7.9.1+ needs that kernel commit to work right, mesa 7.9.0 wont work right with that kernel commit
[17:55] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah ugh
[17:57] <Sarvatt> what the heck do we do?
[17:58] <tjaalton> pull the mesa patch, with versioned depends on the kernel? :P
[17:59] <tjaalton> or drop the kernel commit
[17:59] <Sarvatt> yeah its dropped, but newer kernels dont work right on maverick without updating mesa somehow now
[18:00] <Sarvatt> at least its easy to use metacity in maverick (unlike natty) to work around it :)
[18:30] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg
[18:31] <bryceh> 4 new bugs in xorg-server today
[18:31] <bryceh> 3 of which are apport crash hook bugs
[18:32] <bryceh> which is interesting because I thought hook was busted... did it suddenly start working again?
[18:32] <Sarvatt> why pixman all the sudden? hmm
[18:33] <Sarvatt> wow you're right, haha
[18:33] <Sarvatt> how the heck did that happen
[18:34] <bryceh> hmm, I overheard someone else having trouble getting apport to capture crashes, I wonder if something got fixed?
[18:38] <Sarvatt> doesn't look like its working quite right though, hmm
[18:38] <bryceh> oh?
[18:38] <Sarvatt> StacktraceTop:
[18:38] <Sarvatt>  XISendDeviceHierarchyEvent (flags=0xbfcccf9c)
[18:38] <Sarvatt>  DisableDevice (dev=0xaaa8e70, sendevent=1 '\001')
[18:38] <Sarvatt>  ?? ()
[18:38] <Sarvatt> they're all that
[18:38] <bryceh> hrm
[18:38] <bryceh> Sarvatt, speaking of apport, dunno if you noticed this change went in:
[18:39] <Sarvatt> retracer isn't working right
[18:39] <bryceh> revno: 1822
[18:39] <bryceh> committer: Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:39] <bryceh> branch nick: trunk
[18:39] <bryceh> timestamp: Tue 2011-01-11 16:26:12 -0600
[18:39] <bryceh> message:
[18:39] <bryceh>   hookutils.py, attach_dmesg(): Do not overwrite already existing dmesg.
[18:39] <bryceh> I chatted with pitti about our gpu freeze capture troubles last week
[18:40] <bryceh> problem was when the gpu freeze handler triggers, it *does* capture the dmesg and other stuff
[18:40] <bryceh> but after rebooting when apport fires up to report the bug, it RE-collected those files, overwriting the ones that had been captured earlier
[18:40] <bryceh> now it no longer does that
[18:41] <Sarvatt> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62489709/ThreadStacktrace.txt vs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/705078/+attachment/1799814/+files/ThreadStacktrace.txt
[18:41] <ubot4> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #705078 is private.
[18:41] <Sarvatt> ahh cool
[18:41] <Sarvatt> the retraces aren't working for sure, darn
[18:42] <bryceh> hrm
[18:43] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah you're right, the retracer is attaching something completely unrelated
[18:43] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I'll email pitti about this
[18:43] <bryceh> actually I'll file an apport bug
[18:53] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hmm actually looking closer, all three bugs have the same stack up through #9
[18:54] <Sarvatt> thats where the real stack starts
[18:54] <Sarvatt> rest just looks like cleaning up after the crash
[18:54] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: sorry to highlight you, but one of my friends has this http://imagebin.org/133511
[18:54] <shadeslayer> with a radeon 5400...
[18:54] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ideas on what is in #4-9?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> any ideas would be helpful :)
[18:56] <Sarvatt> shadeslayer: I dont see anything wrong there? :)
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: the weird colors
[18:57] <shadeslayer> on the profile pic
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: http://imagebin.org/133511 <<
[18:58] <shadeslayer> err
[18:58] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.org/133512
[19:00] <bryceh> Sarvatt, bug #705572
[19:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705572 in apport (Ubuntu) "retracer attaching incomplete backtrace (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705572
[19:01] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: whereas actually : http://imagebin.org/133588
[19:14] <bryceh> Sarvatt, notice the xorg.0.log.old's are filled with bo map failed: Cannot allocate memory messages


[00:07] <soreau> Can someone help me file this bug? http://pastebin.com/m14c52dca Jaunty shipped with compiz-0.8.2 except this package got left behind
[00:08] <soreau> This happened with Intrepid too, same package, wrong version but mvo fixed it pretty quickly
[01:38] <cwillu> soreau, help in what way?
[01:39] <cwillu> I'm tempted to say "just file a bug", but I expect there's something I'm missing here :)
[04:43] <micahg> Could there be anything private in /var/log/apt/term.log?
[04:47] <micahg> ping hggdh
[06:01] <micahg> Could there be anything private in /var/log/apt/term.log?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> doesn't look like it
[06:02] <Hobbsee> based on what mine says, anyway
[06:02] <micahg> ok
[06:19] <persia> Conceivably one could expose something through a particularly annoying maintainer script, but it's very unlikely.
[06:30] <micahg> ok, I was just wondering because I think this is the first time I requested someone post their term log
[06:30] <micahg> wanted to avoid privacy issues
[15:08] <ash211> I'd like to had a bit of info to the wiki but I'm not sure where to put it
[15:08] <ash211> the link is http://intellinuxgraphics.org/how_to_report_bug.html
[15:08] <ash211> with good information about the -intel driver
[15:09] <ash211> is there somewhere specific on the wiki where this could be included?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> a bit OT but if anyone needs it: http://ppa-search.appspot.com/
[16:19] <BUGabundo> nixternal: ping
[16:19] <nixternal> yo yo
[16:19] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[16:19] <BUGabundo> nixternal: stupid question: why did you accept me on brainbird but bloked me on identica?
[16:20] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda
[16:20] <BUGabundo> nixternal: wrong button? unsub vs block ?
[16:20] <nixternal> how did I block you on identi.ca?
[16:20] <nixternal> interesting
[16:22] <nixternal> BUGabundo: I think that is some kind of bug, I can't unblock you
[16:22] <BUGabundo> nixternal: you did! I tried to sub to you and couldn't
[16:22] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[16:22] <BUGabundo> can't or don't want too ? eheheh
[16:22] <nixternal> there is "Unblock" under Subscrib/Unsubscribe, and I can't do anything with it
[16:22] <BUGabundo> please ping @evan on that
[16:23] <BUGabundo> are you login?
[16:23] <nixternal> yup, cuz I just subscribed to you
[16:24] <BUGabundo> humm so you can sub to someone and still have them blocked ... makes (no) sense
[16:24] <nixternal> haha, right
[16:24] <nixternal> I want to know how you got blocked
[16:25] <BUGabundo> I have no idea
[16:25] <BUGabundo> maybe at some point you tried to unsub me ?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> or over XMPP ?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> like block BUGabundo bla bla
[16:25] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:26] <nixternal> I don't unsub/block anybody though
[16:26] <nixternal> as I don't follow it as much as many people do, so I don't get annoyed by people :)
[16:26] <nixternal> If I can follow Barack Obama and not block him, I can follow you :p
[16:27] <BUGabundo> nixternal: s/evand/evan/
[16:27] <nixternal> argh
[16:28] <BUGabundo> eheehehheheh
[16:28] <BUGabundo> delete the previous one too
[16:28] <nixternal> oh cool, didn't know you could do that
[16:28] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[16:28] <BUGabundo> you don't (really) use it that much, do you ?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> I spend a life and an half there
[16:32] <BUGabundo> nixternal: don't worry too much! I'm folloing you from brainbird... unless you block me there too :)
[16:32] <nixternal> hahaha, i want to know how and why you got blocked...i do not get it
[16:33] <BUGabundo> me neither
[16:33] <BUGabundo> imagine my surprised when I noticed I wasn't following you anymore
[16:34] <BUGabundo> went to your profile, subs. refresh the page, and still nothing
[16:34] <BUGabundo> tried to reply to you, and messages failed to appear.
[16:34] <BUGabundo> I gathered I was blocked
[16:34] <nixternal> probably got you on a drunken binge one night :p
[16:35] <nixternal> which is weird, the only time I block is on twitter when they are those stupid people trying to get a ton of followers
[16:41] <BUGabundo> nixternal: any idea what making my kmail start up as FullScreen? I know its compiz doing, but can't put my finger on it
[16:41] <BUGabundo> its the only app doing so.
[17:10] <askand1> Is there a bugreport about the issue that the real name the user fills in under the installation is not saved as a real named in the preferences afterward? Sounds like a papercut bug ;)
[17:10] <askand1> Forumthread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1187182
[17:10] <askand1> kklimonda: hi! is there a debugpackage for transmission 1.71? can't find it in your PPA :O
[17:12] <kklimonda> askand1: heh, I have it prepared but forgot to upload before I went for a holiday
[17:13] <askand1> ok :)
[17:14] <BUGabundo> LOL
[17:14] <kklimonda> askand1: something is crashing again? ;)
[17:14] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: holidays?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> why have I not heard anything about that?
[17:15] <askand1> kklimonda: afraid so ;)
[17:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you don't live in poland? :P
[17:15] <BUGabundo> no, portugal
[17:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it explains a lot ;)
[17:16] <kklimonda> askand1: i've uploaded package, it will build in few minutes
[17:16] <kklimonda> askand1: when does it crash?
[17:16] <kklimonda> (I think 3 or 4 crashes are going to be fixed in 1.72)
[17:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: we had 2 holidays here
[17:17] <askand1> kklimonda: I am not sure as usual :P I leave it on while I'm away for a couple of hours and when I return it has crashed
[17:17] <kklimonda> askand1: heh
[17:22] <kklimonda> askand1: btw, I have moved transmission to https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/backports for now
[17:22] <kklimonda> I'll try to get access to transmissionbt team this week so I don't have to keep them all in my ppa..
[20:42] <superm1> Hi guys, i just wanted to make some general comments. I've seen some bug mail from triagers who are *not* reading the bugs and just adding general responses
[20:42] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/386991 is an example of this
[20:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 386991 in ubiquity "Install menu item still shows on installed system." [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:43] <superm1> sure this particular case the bug itself isn't the highest quality, but this is not the response that a user should be getting about that bug
[20:55]  * BUGabundo reads
[20:58] <BUGabundo> superm1: LOL
[20:58] <BUGabundo> well he _tried_
[20:59] <BUGabundo> superm1: let me see if I get some one on +1 with a fresh vm
[21:00] <BUGabundo> so that bug can be confirmed or cantreproduce
[21:00] <superm1> yeah, but what he did could just as well have been accomplished by a bot is what i'm getting at. i just want to make sure that when new people are joining these triage teams they understand that THEY are what the value add is in being a triager
[21:00] <superm1> that's definitely the behavior of the installer, it installs a .desktop file into the system-administration menu
[21:00] <superm1> (it's expected behavior)
[21:02] <BUGabundo> superm1: not *after* it is installed
[21:02] <BUGabundo> that's the bug he is reporting
[21:03] <BUGabundo> superm1: unfor new triagers want to make big numbers instead of better quality bugs
[21:03] <BUGabundo> its an hard thing to manage, as long as we need more and more triaggers
[21:03] <superm1> ah that makes more sense then on why the bug is being reported.
[21:03] <superm1> right
[21:05] <BUGabundo> superm1: LOL... wasn't it obvious?
[21:05] <BUGabundo> or is the bad english that is only understood by ppl that talk the same way ?
[21:05] <superm1> the bad english does throw you off a bit
[21:06] <BUGabundo> not me, in this case...
[21:06] <BUGabundo> as I said, I can relate to him
[21:06] <BUGabundo> ehe
[21:07] <BUGabundo> many many times ppl don't _get_ what I'm trying to say, even if it is obvious to me
[21:07] <superm1> :) okay. thanks for takin a look
[21:08] <BUGabundo> np
[21:08] <BUGabundo> didn't helped much
[21:09] <BUGabundo> superm1: and the reporter is not even a new user
[21:09] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~tdziedz2
[21:09] <BUGabundo>               Member since:       2007-11-04
[21:09] <BUGabundo> he is almost as older as me on LP
[21:09] <BUGabundo> hey chrisccoulson
[21:09] <superm1> yeah  perhaps he just doesn't file bugs a lot
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> hi BUGabundo
[21:12] <BUGabundo> well 17 aint that low either
[21:12] <BUGabundo> superm1: he is an happy user :)


[09:45] <daker> newz2000, good morning
[09:45] <daker> can you take a look at bug 275971
[09:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 275971 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu Local support - Arabic Language (affects: 2) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275971
[14:34] <newz2000> good morning daker, yes, checked into it, am pondering the best solution
[14:35] <newz2000> I'd like to not replicate the loco directory here but I do want to provide direction for Arab speakers. It's kind of a challenge.


[01:16] <Unfrgiven> hey ogra :)
[01:21] <ajmitch_> morning Unfrgiven
[01:28] <tseng> hi
[01:37] <Unfrgiven> morning ajmitch and tseng
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> how are we today?
[01:38] <tseng> tired.
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> has anyone had a chance to review the packages i made by any chance? :)
[01:38] <tseng> surely not
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> tseng: did you work today?
[01:38] <tseng> right now im listening to my roomate tell me about his "fuck friend"
[01:38] <tseng> so
[01:38] <tseng> s/listening/tuning out
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> hehe
[01:39] <tseng> oh and building muine pre2
[01:39] <Burgundavia> lovely
[01:39] <Unfrgiven> tseng: you managed to get quite a wrap from one of the bloggers on planet gentoo
[01:39] <Unfrgiven> for your muine work
[01:39] <tseng> Unfrgiven: oh did I?
[01:40] <Unfrgiven> tseng: someone called Joe McCann
[01:40] <tseng> oh
[01:40] <tseng> he's my boy
[01:40] <Unfrgiven> wow you seemed quite young to have a child...
[01:40] <Unfrgiven> ;)
[01:41] <ajmitch_> hey tseng
[01:41] <tseng> hi
[01:41] <tseng> Unfrgiven: hah, he called me "the awesome"
[01:42] <Unfrgiven> tseng: :)
[01:43] <tseng> Unfrgiven: i used to work on gentoo
[01:43] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yeah i got that impression... why'd you stop?
[01:43] <ajmitch_> tseng: btw what mono crack do I still need to upload?
[01:43] <tseng> Unfrgiven: because their toolchain and alot of devs got more crackful than we're known for
[01:43] <tseng> ajmitch_: um
[01:44] <tseng> ajmitch_: a bunch
[01:44] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp2, monodoc, gtk-sharp - what else do you need done?
[01:44] <ajmitch_> and a fixed mono
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> tseng: i was thinking though that the ebuild shell concept sounds pretty neat... should help writing those complex ebuilds
[01:45] <tseng> Unfrgiven: its a fun system, just crappy QA and politics
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: wasnt there a list from the mono Bof?
[01:45] <tseng> i liked working on it when it was smaller
[01:45] <tseng> it was about the same size of ubuntu, very new and friendly community
[01:45] <tseng> oh well
[01:46] <Unfrgiven> i must say that im VERY impressed with the ubuntu community
[01:46] <Unfrgiven> i do hope it stays that way
[01:46] <tseng> indeed
[01:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: yeah those
[01:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: um
[01:47] <tseng> whatever is in my ~/mono is ready atm
[01:47] <tseng> i updated it last night
[01:47] <tseng> could you please do those?
[01:47] <Unfrgiven> btw, did you guys receive signed keys in your email from lamont jones and bjorn tillenius? i cant seem to import them
[01:47] <tseng> ive not touched gpg yet
[01:47] <tseng> but i have them in my inbox
[01:49] <Unfrgiven> i managed to import most of them except ones from those two...
[01:52] <ajmitch_> sure, I'll grab those, sign & upload
[01:52] <tseng> rock on
[01:52] <tseng> i can do the rest after that
[01:53] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: I could import from bjornT
[01:54] <tseng> hm
[01:54] <tseng> i cant build gtkspell
[01:55] <ajmitch_> tseng: gtk-sharp-unstable is built as a native package
[01:55] <tseng> um
[01:56] <tseng> yeah
[01:56] <tseng> meebey fucked that up in svn i think
[01:56] <tseng> it imported the sources
[01:59] <tseng> ajmitch_: you see what i mean? or im crack
[02:01] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: hmmm yeah its working now... i musta botched somethin ealierl
[02:07] <Unfrgiven> aight guys im gonna get back to work... ill catch up with y'all later
[02:12] <tseng> bye.
[02:33] <tseng> ajmitch_: howd that go?
[02:38] <Nafallo> night all!
[02:51] <ajmitch_> morning AndyFitz
[02:51] <ajmitch_> tseng: just uploading them now
[02:51] <AndyFitz> morning ajmitch
[02:51] <AndyFitz> how you going mate ?
[02:52] <ajmitch_> I'm managing alright
[02:52] <ajmitch_> how about you?
[02:52] <AndyFitz> yeah really well. came down from the sugar high yesterday lol  damn those mentos
[02:53] <ajmitch_> yeah they got a bit addictive
[02:56] <AndyFitz> its funny how they picked up on what people were drinking more of .    by the end of the week they stocked almost only redbull pepsi and water
[02:57] <ajmitch_> and I'm glad of that
[02:57] <ajmitch_> how's the art coming along?
[02:58] <AndyFitz> yeah good,  I'm pretty happy with the style,    I've changed the folders back to the normal rotation since this screenshot http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/screenshot-1.png
[02:59] <AndyFitz> right now it looks ugly without using a custom clearlooks gtkrc    ( because I'm using 22x22 instead of 24x24 )
[03:00] <ajmitch_> still trying to load, it's great to be back in NZ :)
[03:00] <AndyFitz> but jeff is writing a script to increase the margin around the borders to 24x24  so we can test it at both sizes
[03:01] <ajmitch_> looks good
[03:05] <AndyFitz> thanks :-)  after doing a few more icons I'll write a short styleguide and start visiting the uni's asking for help from keen illustrators
[03:08] <tseng> AndyFitz: rock out
[03:09] <tseng> ajmitch_: rock out
[03:10] <tseng> yes
[03:11] <tseng> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=40240
[03:13] <ajmitch> what changes are there from the version in debian (1.9.3-1)?
[03:14] <tseng> none
[03:14] <ajmitch> I'll grab hat then
[03:21] <ajmitch> uploaded
[03:25] <tseng> rock out dude
[03:28] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch!  What's happening?
[03:29] <ajmitch> hopefully it'll hit the changes list real soon now
[03:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: just uploading some packages in my lunch break
[03:29] <bddebian> Nice
[03:29] <ajmitch> & fixing some of my own
[03:33] <bddebian> Damnit, I need to do some DNS queries but nslookup keeps getting "query refused".. :-(
[03:41] <ajmitch> lunch break over, bbl
[03:41] <bddebian> Later d00d
[04:01] <tseng> um
[04:01] <tseng> yes
[04:01] <tseng> Subject: gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[04:01] <ajmitch_> as expected
[04:01] <tseng> Subject: gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1_source.changes REJECTED
[04:01] <tseng> Rejected: The key (0x8A5A6772D0DC9743) used to sign gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).
[04:01] <ajmitch_> crap
[04:01] <tseng> for the rest
[04:02] <tseng> and
[04:02] <ajmitch_> I was sure I re-signed that
[04:02] <tseng> gecko-sharp still thinks its NEW
[04:02] <tseng> er
[04:02] <tseng> experimental
[04:02] <tseng> thats my bad
[04:02] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp has breezy in the changes file
[04:03] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp2 needs fixed, will check
[04:03] <bddebian> FUCKING THINKPAD...
[04:23] <tseng> so lamonts key stuff
[04:23] <tseng> isnt actually your encrypted key, its text
[04:23] <ajmitch_> yeah, and he says that the key is attached
[04:23] <tseng> yes
[04:23] <ajmitch_> when it's not
[04:23] <tseng> right.
[04:23] <ajmitch_> bug him in -devel
[04:24] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp2 fixed up & ready for upload
[04:24] <tseng> the rest say
[04:24] <tseng> bad sign and bad md5
[04:24] <ajmitch_> that's crack
[04:24] <tseng> yes
[04:24] <ajmitch_> I just verified the signature on them
[04:24] <tseng> well, i think it is checking the ones from the other day
[04:24] <tseng> in incoming
[04:24] <tseng> that got rejected?
[04:25] <tseng> maybe.
[04:25] <ajmitch_> could do
[04:27] <ajmitch_> tseng: btw, seen the latest mail on the u-hardened list?
[04:27] <tseng> no
[04:28] <tseng> mdz?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> trulux is unhappy with the UDU results
[04:28] <tseng> no shit
[04:28] <tseng> what a toolbat
[04:29] <tseng> uh dude
[04:32] <tritium> ajmitch_: are you referring to his first email, or the latest one he sent a few hours ago?
[04:32] <tseng> both are pretty crackful
[04:33] <tritium> I wouldn't know...
[04:35] <ajmitch_> mostly the first one, I haven't checked since
[04:40] <tritium> I'm not familiar with the work being done, but I hope the issues, whatever they are, can be resolved.
[04:42] <dholbach> morning
[04:43] <tritium> Hi Daniel :)
[04:43] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach
[04:43] <dholbach> hey you two
[04:43] <ajmitch_> how was your trip?
[04:44] <dholbach> i could have done with a bit more of sleep, but it was ok
[04:44] <schweeb> wassup dholbach
[04:44] <dholbach> today i woke up at 04:00, but i think there's nothing wrong, with getting up early, right? ;-)
[04:44] <dholbach> how are you three guys?
[04:44] <schweeb> Solaris = pain
[04:44] <schweeb> that's how I am :)
[04:45] <schweeb> I miss working in Linux all day long
[04:46] <tritium> dissertation = pain
[04:46] <dholbach> tritium: next 12 weeks will be thesis weeks, so i will share your pain
[04:46] <schweeb> heh
[04:46] <tritium> dholbach: yes, same for me.  I defend on July 22.  You?
[04:46] <schweeb> I managed to skip out of my thesis, hehe
[04:47] <schweeb> was just about time to start work on it
[04:47] <tritium> how'd you manage that?
[04:47] <dholbach> tritium: i'll have 12 weeks
[04:47] <schweeb> tritium: put school on hold for my new job
[04:47] <tritium> dholbach: it'll be nice being in the same boat :)
[04:47] <tritium> schweeb: Ah, gotcha.
[04:48] <schweeb> hopefully, I can figure out how to balance school and work eventually... kinda wanna get my degree
[04:49] <tritium> schweeb: go for it!
[04:49] <schweeb> school and I don't get along too well though :)
[04:50] <tritium> Me too.  We're about to break up.
[05:10] <tseng> uh
[05:10] <tseng> wow
[05:10] <dholbach> hey tseng
[05:10] <ajmitch_> ?
[05:10] <tseng> hi dholbach
[05:10] <tseng> ajmitch_: declaration quote
[05:11] <tseng> ajmitch_: im writing a reply btw, this is unacceptable to me
[06:03] <jabra> anyone know if there is any sites that can help someone with warning from lintian
[06:04] <charles> yay nigger masters of the universe!!!!!
[06:04] <charles> niggers are ubuntu!
[06:05] <schweeb> nice work, dholbach
[06:05] <ajmitch_> thanks daniel
[06:07] <tseng> :(
[06:08] <crimsun> they always troll the good distros, heh
[06:13] <jabra> anyone know where I could find something about warnings I am getting from lintian
[06:14] <schweeb> the Debian Policy Manual
[06:14] <schweeb> generally
[06:14] <crimsun> 1) please use lintian -v; 2) http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-checkit.en.html#s-lintians
[06:15] <crimsun> http://lintian.debian.org/ is also a good web site
[06:15] <jabra> cool thanks
[06:16] <jabra> probably man lintian and rtfm
[06:16] <jabra> heh
[06:22] <jabra> ah -i is great
[06:56] <jabra> is anyone around to review a new package?
[06:57] <jabra> dholbach: are you around?
[07:02] <dholbach> jabra: yes, i am around
[07:03] <jabra> ok do you have a few minutes to review this package
[07:04] <dholbach> not atm
[07:04] <dholbach> but later
[07:04] <jabra> ok should I just put the link on the wiki
[07:05] <dholbach> that would be perfect
[07:05] <jabra> o ok cool
[07:05] <jabra> one thing that I noted on the site that there is a shell script that is included that doesn't have man pages
[07:05] <jabra> I hope that doesn't rule this out as a package
[07:07] <jabra> what I did was emailed the developer list to see if I could get a release of the man page early since it will be included in the next version
[07:09] <dholbach> you could write one yourself, i always use the manpage.xml template copied by dh_make
[07:11] <jabra> umm thinking pod2man?
[07:12] <jabra> does it have to have a man page?
[07:12] <dholbach> if the user is supposed to use it
[07:12] <jabra> so then I have to write one
[07:12] <dholbach> just briefly describing what it is for
[07:13] <jabra> ok
[07:13] <jabra> it can be brief but it does need to exist
[07:13] <jabra> ok I will
[07:13] <dholbach> the .xml file is readable and with a fancy   xsltproc   command you can convert it to a manpage
[07:13] <jabra> is pod2man ok
[07:13] <dholbach> (you can read it all in comments in the manpage.xml file)
[07:13] <jabra> that is wat I have used
[07:13] <dholbach> never used it
[07:14] <dholbach> if it works for you, use it :-)
[07:14] <jabra> probably the same thing
[07:14] <jabra> k
[07:14] <dholbach> yes... probably :-)
[07:14] <jabra> perl module to convert basic format similiar to html to a man page
[07:15] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:16] <jabra> seperate issue if I wanta package something that is just a shell script with a man page how could I do that since it isn't compiled
[07:28] <womble> jabra: Have the package build scripts just copy the script into the appropriate place in the package build dir
[07:29] <jabra> right where would I set that dir since there is no makefile
[07:41] <womble> jabra: Your debian/rules file should have something in it to create either a debian/tmp or debian/<pkg> directory, and probably relevant dirs inside that (like /usr/bin).  Stick the copy somewhere after that.
[07:42] <jabra> ok cool
[07:42] <jabra> thanks
[08:14] <dholbach> hey Riddell
[08:15] <jabra> dholbach: almost done with the man page
[08:16] <Riddell> hello dholbach
[08:16] <Riddell> everyone back where they belong?
[08:16] <dholbach> Riddell: seems to :-)
[08:23] <ajmitch> hi Riddell
[08:23] <ajmitch> currently installing kde 3.4 from breezy :)
[08:24] <crimsun> you might need http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[08:24] <ajmitch> thanks crimsun
[08:26] <Mithrandir> I doubt that ; libtool is a shell script. :)
[08:26] <crimsun> that's why I'm wondering
[08:26] <crimsun> s/wonder/boggl/
[08:37] <jabra> not sure wat file I should change to add in a man page to build this package it is in the man dir named ra.sh.1
[08:44] <jabra> ?
[08:45] <jabra> ls
[08:45] <jabra> oops
[08:45] <dholbach> hey koke
[08:47] <koke> hey!
[08:47] <koke> how was the flight?
[08:48] <dholbach> ok... but could have done with a bit more of sleep :-)
[08:49] <koke> :d
[08:50] <dholbach> how was yours?
[08:50] <jabra> dholbach: ok got it with a new man page
[08:52] <dholbach> excellent!
[08:52] <jabra> ya
[08:52] <jabra> I want this to be done
[08:52] <jabra> can ya tell?
[08:53] <jabra> I will put it on the wiki with a url
[08:53] <koke> dholbach: long enough :D
[08:53] <jabra> whenever you have sometime I would appreciate it if you review it
[08:54] <dholbach> jabra: i can absolutely understand that you're eager to get it in ASAP, but i must ask you to be patient
[08:54] <jabra> no problem
[08:54] <dholbach> ok, even better
[08:55] <ajmitch> we're still recovering from the week :)
[08:55] <jabra> ya I heard you guys had the first MOTU meeting like march 3rd?
[08:56] <ajmitch_> some of us just met in sydney
[08:56] <jabra> this weekend?
[08:57] <jabra> damn
[08:59] <koke> lamont: there was no key in your "keysigning result" message
[08:59] <lamont> koke: you and several others.  otoh, several _did_ have the sig... sigh.
[09:00] <lamont> doesn't help that I can't read the contents of the messages... :-(
[09:00] <koke> hey all, what scripts are you are using?? (it's my first party)
[09:00] <dholbach> koke: i use the one pitti's page
[09:02] <koke> dholbach: what page ?? :D
[09:03] <ajmitch_> look on the wiki, he put it on the keysigning page iirc
[09:04] <dholbach> piware.de
[09:06] <jabra> dholbach: thanks for your help
[09:06] <jabra> I really appreciate it
[09:06] <jabra> the wiki has be updated
[09:07] <dholbach> koke: http://www.piware.de/tools/signkey.pl
[09:07] <dholbach> you just have to add your keyid into it and your set
[09:07] <dholbach> s/your/you're
[09:07] <dholbach> jabra: anytime :-)
[09:08] <jabra> I will get my key signed tomorrow
[09:08] <dholbach> ROCK
[09:09] <jabra> I have to say you guys make this distro 100 times better than fedora
[09:09] <jabra> since I have been using redhat distro since 6.2
[09:09] <jabra> I really think ubuntu is soo much better in all aspects
[09:11] <dholbach> jabra: it's great you want to help out
[09:12] <dholbach> i think with a big MOTU crew and loads of teams ubuntu we will get even better
[09:12] <p0m> Darn, all the python stuff has been fixed allready :)
[09:13] <jabra> well you guys make it easier than fedora for someone to help out
[09:13] <dholbach> p0m: the next step will be the zope modules, right ajmitch?
[09:14] <jabra>  the thing I am going to on next is the wireless tool I have been working on
[09:14] <p0m> Hmm, I'll have a look into that. Ohh, and hi :)
[09:14] <jabra> it joins wireless networks based on a precedence in a config file similair to windows
[09:14] <jabra> it is a shell script since I wanted it to be able to run on anything
[09:15] <jabra> going to add in wep and wpa next week after I make a bit more stable
[09:15] <jabra> /s/a/it/g
[09:16] <p0m> Hmm.
[09:19] <p0m> I've eyed up a couple of packages I think I can fix.
[09:21] <GheRivero> res
[09:22] <dholbach> p0m: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverCxxTransition :-)
[09:22] <p0m> Err?
[09:22] <dholbach> yes
[09:22] <p0m> There doesn't seem to be a UniverCxxTransition page
[09:23] <dholbach> UniverseCxxTransition
[09:23] <dholbach> sorry
[09:25] <dholbach> i'll grab another coffee :-)
[09:25] <p0m> That list takes a while to load :)
[09:26] <jabra> anyone know if there is a BostonTeam ?
[09:26] <jabra> don't see it on the wiki
[09:26] <p0m> Boston or Boson?
[09:26] <jabra> boston
[09:27] <p0m> dholbach: Is it just me, or are these mainly amd64 items?
[09:28] <ajmitch> p0m: dholbach has an amd64 :)
[09:28] <p0m> Ahh.
[09:28] <p0m> Lucky.
[09:29] <p0m> I might go through and check some of the python packages that don't need transitioning.
[09:49] <chmj> morning
[09:50] <crimsun> morning!
[09:51] <GheRivero> morning
[10:03] <koke> dholbach: I've just signed your key
[10:03] <koke> tell me if it's all ok and I'll sign the others :D
[10:07] <dholbach> koke: was alright
[10:08] <dholbach> could we agree on a date for an irc meeting with the malone guys
[10:08] <dholbach> something around may, 11th?
[10:08] <chmj> hi dholbach
[10:08] <dholbach> hey chmj
[10:09] <chmj> dholbach: mind you my time is 9:00 - 17:00 GTM +2
[10:09] <koke> dholbach: it's ok for me
[10:09] <koke> I'll try to test malone more :D
[10:10] <dholbach> what do the guys from .us and .au/.nz say?
[10:10] <dholbach> i don't mind getting up early
[10:13] <crimsun> 11th? Hmm. Anytime's good.
[11:35] <ajmitch> rock, gtk-sharp2-unstable acceepted
[11:36] <ogra> YAY
[11:36] <dholbach> NEW mono crack?
[11:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:37] <ajmitch> been working on this stuff with tseng since UDU
[11:37] <ajmitch> since his key isn't in the keyring still
[11:38] <ajmitch> and I like mono stuff for some reason :)
[11:38] <dholbach> :-)
[11:38] <crimsun> man, _none_ of the packages I've worked on in the past week have built on amd64
[11:38] <ajmitch> there's some substantial pain involved here ;)
[11:54] <dholbach> does malone work for everyone of you? did you all set a "preferred mail adress"?
[11:54] <dholbach> could you please play with it? (open new bugs, re-assign them, ...) and add stuff to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList ?
[11:54] <ajmitch> I've set preferred mail, but not played with it much yet
[11:55] <dholbach> malone will be used also for main in 7-8 weeks
[11:55] <ajmitch> I've got a pile of bugs to file, I think
[01:27] <tseng> ajmitch_: mm we need to start the gnomedb fixing
[01:27] <tseng> whos package is that
[01:27] <tseng> ohhh
[01:28] <dholbach> gnome team :-)
[01:28] <tseng> However the following packages replace it:
[01:28] <tseng>   libgnomedb2-common
[01:28] <tseng> just need to fix build-dep I guess
[01:29] <dholbach> tseng: could you tell seb128? i recall him fixing something in the last days
[01:29] <tseng> dholbach: no, its in my package
[01:29] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:29] <tseng> ill fix it tonight
[01:30] <tseng> i need to get to work now
[01:30] <tseng> an hour late
[01:30] <tseng> stupid lag
[01:32] <dholbach> MOTUNewPackages got really full
[01:32] <tseng> :(
[01:32] <tseng> i am getting security notices from pitti now also
[01:32] <dholbach> MOTUToReview as well
[01:32] <ajmitch_> we've also got a lot of merging to do - I'm going to write up something to streamline that
[01:32] <tseng> i need to build a hoary chroot
[01:33] <ajmitch_> hopefully by the end of the week
[01:34] <tseng> i might get on from work for a few minutes.. cya
[01:35] <ajmitch_> ok, have a good day tseng
[01:41] <\sh> i have a couple of bugfixed packages left
[01:41] <\sh> to review and upload
[03:22] <tritium_> Good morning.
[04:01] <bddebian> Morning folks
[04:01] <tritium_> good morning bddebian
[04:02] <Nafallo> morning :-)
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello tritium_, Nafallo
[05:05] <jabra_> gmorning
[05:06] <Nafallo> jabra_, good afternoon :-)
[05:06] <jabra_> true
[05:39] <jabra> to get someone to review your package it should be on the MOTUToReview site correct
[05:42] <tritium> yep
[07:25] <zul> heylo
[07:34] <trukulo> hello, do you admit guests ? :)
[07:35] <Nafallo> hi trukulo :-).
[07:35] <trukulo> hi nafallo
[07:35] <trukulo> ubuntu-dev is very quiet lastly
[07:36] <trukulo> and #ubuntu is... well, always has been very boring
[07:36] <Nafallo> trukulo: sometimes :-). then something happens and they discuss away.
[07:36] <trukulo> i have one question
[07:37] <trukulo> specially to ogra
[07:37] <trukulo> graveman 0.3.10-1 is in universe
[07:37] <trukulo> but this package has bugs, good one in sid es graveman 0.3.10-2
[07:37] <trukulo> you will wait to breeze to update it?
[07:45] <trukulo> :)
[07:45] <trukulo> well, we have many options, that's the good thing
[07:45] <bur[n] er> for sure
[07:45] <bur[n] er> graveman looks better in xfce ;)
[07:45] <trukulo> i ask because im co-mantainer of package in debian
[07:46] <trukulo> and talked about this package a lot with oliver, that intend to package at first on universe
[07:46] <trukulo> well, it's just curiosity
[07:46] <bur[n] er> i would imagine it would get in universe for breezy unless it's security related
[07:49] <trukulo> it's not security
[08:18] <ogra> trukulo, then we cant update it for hoary, sorry
[08:18] <trukulo> ogra: no, don't sorry for it, just asking :)
[08:29] <herve> houba!
[09:15] <omglol> who knows how to ssh over https
[09:16] <omglol> oh man my friends irc script sucks
[09:38] <tritium> tseng|work: busy?
[09:39] <tseng|work> well, I cant do much but http
[09:39] <tseng|work> I can talk.
[09:40] <tritium> It's just that trulux called a meeting in #ubuntu-hardened, and I thought you might want to be there if you can.  It's been going on for a while.
[09:40] <tseng|work> is it more flamebait?
[09:41] <tritium> No, just a working meeting.
[09:41] <tseng|work> we seem to be having a misunderstanding about breaking the desktop vs being as secure as possible
[09:42] <tseng|work> ill come if he invites me.
[09:43] <trulux> tseng|work: sorry, I agree with you. I've been trying to break my desktop for being more secure, mostly breaking my CRT screen ir order to avoid undesired viewing of my porn
[09:43] <tseng|work> hah :P
[09:43] <trulux> tseng|work: I invited all people, feel free to join only if you don't want to feed a personal flame
[09:43] <tseng|work> sure.
[09:44] <trulux> we can solve the problem if it's something personal but don't take it to the lists nor the IRC channels, feel free to call me if you want, I'll setup skype for my hot line
[09:45] <tseng|work> yeah i thought most of your email was something against me that didnt really come out as strongly on irc before
[09:45] <tseng|work> I already responded, no hard feelings here, dropping ssp isnt about you, its about maintainance
[09:45] <trulux> tseng|work: also, don't forget that I wanted to work with you since the start, so, it's always better to look beyond the red line, maybe there's something wrong that happened to make things going bad
[09:46] <trulux> and well, you know as others do, that Im 'not someone that gets upset for no good reason
[09:46] <tseng|work> rock on.
[09:48] <trulux> tseng|work: remember: you, as well as others, have rights to propose, suggest and recommend for the RFC, before the spec. is written
[10:15] <herve> in case you care, sarge is frozen!
[10:17] <tseng|work> hm
[10:19] <herve> and planned to be release on may, 30th
[10:19] <herve> end of the month, roughly
[10:20] <Nafallo> what I wonder is what the first planned date was ;-)
[10:22] <herve> no, let's not kick them
[10:22] <herve> we're part of the same family
[10:23] <Nafallo> agreed. but the delay was one of the main reasons I switched all my computers to ubuntu :-).
[10:25] <Nafallo> no assault intended :-)
[10:26] <herve> yeah, I won't react :-)
[10:26] <herve> I can understand
[10:26] <herve> like I can understand the debian project suffered
[10:27] <Nafallo> same. another reason was all the internal fights that went on all the time.
[10:27] <Nafallo> I would think many of the problems with sarge won't happen with etch though.
[10:30] <herve> the human problems? hard to say :-)
[10:31] <Nafallo> hehe. I was thinking about all the other problems with that notation ;-)
[10:40] <GheRivero> res
[11:42] <herve> night all
[11:46] <tseng> hi


[19:04] <kees> hmm, now is meeting?
[19:04] <kees> agenda isn't updated for today's date, though...
[19:14] <mdeslaur> kees: yeah, now, but nobody is here I believe
[19:16] <kees> easy meeting! :)