[12:49] <ubuntu> many people can't install XP on their SATA systems. If Ubuntu could help with that, it would put a lot of people in contact with Ubuntu. (I for example need XP for one stupid study related program)
[12:50] <ubuntu> in other words, put nLite functionality in ubuntu (liveCD)
[13:27] <jenda> strange suggestion
[17:45] <emmajane> Is "LoCo" just short for "localization"/"localized"?
[17:57] <desertc> local community
[17:58] <emmajane> ta :)
[20:19] <juliux> beuno, ping pong
[20:20] <beuno> juliux, pong ping
[20:20] <juliux> hey you are at life;)
[20:20] <juliux> how are you?
[20:21] <beuno> juliux, pretty good. Doin' a lot of stuff lately. Yourself?
[20:21] <juliux> a lot of work to
[20:21] <juliux> do
[20:21] <juliux> so not much time for ubuntu
[20:22] <juliux> but still active;)
[20:23] <beuno> same here
[20:23] <beuno> I've been working on bzr though
[21:24] <jpatrick> juliux: not enough time to sponser a package for Debian by me by any chance? :)
[21:24] <juliux> jpatrick, ???
[21:25] <jpatrick> juliux: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kguitar
[21:25] <juliux> jpatrick, i am not a developer;9
[21:25] <jpatrick> opps, confused you with someone else then
[21:25] <jpatrick> :)
[21:25] <juliux> hehe
[21:26]  * jpatrick continues his search for someone who cares
[21:26] <juliux> good luck


[15:23] <Tomin> has anyone noticed this bug? can you reproduce it? would anyone like to bisect it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/+bug/1479267
[15:24] <Tomin> it's ghostscript's bug so it might be that you don't need to have that printer
[16:21] <penguin42> ok, good to see you've nailed it down to ghostscript
[16:22] <Tomin> yeah, downgrading ghostscript packages was all I needed to do
[16:22] <penguin42> Tomin: How much of the page is missing, is it just a cm or two or a bigger chunk
[16:23] <Tomin> about 3 cm
[16:23] <Tomin> but those upgraded versios have security fixes
[16:23] <penguin42> ok, and does it look like the whole thing is shifted up the page by 3cm or does it look like it's in the right place but just missing a chunk?
[16:23] <Tomin> it is shifted up
[16:24] <Tomin> so there is some empty space at the bottom of the page
[16:24] <penguin42> ok, so maybe not just the margins
[16:25] <penguin42> Tomin: Now the problem is, is it ghostscript or is it Brother's drivers that don't like it
[16:26] <Tomin> yeah
[16:26] <Tomin> it's too bad I can't really test this again until friday evening
[16:26] <Tomin> or at the weekned
[16:26] <Tomin> weekend*
[16:26] <penguin42> so this is 9.10~dfsg-0ubuntu10 works and .3 fails ?
[16:27] <penguin42> both on 14.04 ?
[16:27] <Tomin> yes on 14.04 and yes the Installed version is the working one and the Candidate is the one that doesn't work
[16:28] <penguin42> OK, so looking at the logs have you got a second Brother printer connected as well?
[16:28] <Tomin> I don't think it's connected but yes we used to have another Brother at the office
[16:30] <penguin42> Tomin: OK; so there are two things I can suggest  1) Try removing the Brother drivers and just try and use one of the built in drivers; I see on my Trusty machine there's a driver for the Brother MFC8640 - maybe it works?
[16:30] <penguin42> 2) The other way is to try and figure out which of the .1,.2,.3 broke it
[16:31] <Tomin> the MFC8640 doesn't work, at least it didn't work well when we tried it when we got the printer
[16:31] <Tomin> where I could get those versions?
[16:32] <Tomin> MFC8640 driver I mean ofc
[16:32] <penguin42> ok, the other thing is that I see there is a .4 version out - http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/text/ghostscript
[16:33] <Tomin> ok, I can try that but not until friday/saturday
[16:34] <penguin42> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/ghostscript/ghostscript_9.10~dfsg-0ubuntu10.4/changelog  hmm none of the changes listed there seem to suggest a reason that's likely
[16:34] <Tomin> If I can't download binary versions of those old packages, could I download the source package and compile it myself?
[16:35] <penguin42> yes
[16:35] <Tomin> can I just apt-get source ghostscript=the_version_i_need or what?
[16:37] <penguin42> yes, or look in http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/ghostscript/ if that doesn't work;  getting the ones in between can be a bit trickier; I think you can check them out of the bzr or git
[16:37] <penguin42> if desperate - but it does seem odd, none of the things in that changelog seem obviously related
[16:37] <penguin42> I've just got to disappear for a minute or 5
[16:37] <Tomin> ok
[16:39]  * penguin42 returns - (my mixture isn't quite cool enough yet for the next step....)
[16:41] <penguin42> Tomin: It's not something silly like an A4/letter mix up?
[16:42] <Tomin> I don't think so, I think I checked that
[16:43] <Tomin> Is this correct way to fetch older sources from bzr: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-getting-the-source.html
[16:45] <penguin42> I think that should work but it's a few years since I bzr'd
[16:45] <Tomin> ok, thanks
[16:45] <Tomin> I guess I have to do some saturday work and bisect this :D
[16:46] <penguin42> Tomin: The other thing I'd try is booting a 15.04/15.10 and seeing if the same bug affects it
[16:46] <penguin42> Tomin: Can you add what you told me about what the problem looks like (the missing 3cm, it moving up the page etc) to the bug report
[16:47] <Tomin> well I don't think I can install another OS to that computer, but maybe on a live cd if that allows me to install the drivers and stuff
[16:47] <Tomin> I think it's already there, just not in one place
[16:47] <penguin42> yeh it was the livecd I was thinking, just to try it
[16:48] <Tomin> I've described it on the description and on comment #5, but I could add another comment about that
[16:49] <penguin42> no, that's ok
[16:51] <Tomin> well I'll prepare a memory stick to boot later this week to test 15.04 (or 15.10) anyway and also try to bisect the package version that broke this
[16:53] <penguin42> Tomin: I've marked it as triaged and added a regression-update tag
[16:53] <Tomin> ok, thanks
[16:53]  * penguin42 checks on his mixture again
[22:18] <yecril71pl> Hello, I would like to ask for SRU of Bug #1391917 to 14.04 LTS.
[22:21] <yecril71pl> I have no idea what it means to Upload the fixed package to release-proposed with the patch in the bug report.
[22:21] <yecril71pl> There is no patch, it is an upgrade.


[00:00] <wxl> chances are this will solve your problem:
[00:00] <wxl> !b43
[00:00] <user___> the WiFi is  generic Broadcom
[00:00] <wxl> yuuup that will fix your problem
[00:01] <user___> thanks forma all help
[00:01] <user___> I want to read  that article
[00:56] <user___> buenas noches
[00:57] <user___> habrá forma de instalar controladora por teamviewer
 el canal español es otro
 https://t.me/lubuntues
 o #lubuntu-es en freenode
[00:58] <user___> IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME USER TAKE CONTROL THROUGH PC
 bah, right, I forgot it was an irc user
[00:58] <user___> through TEAMVIEWER
 @user___ [<user___> IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME USER TAKE CONTROL THROUGH PC], vnc is what I've heard is use
[00:58] <user___> con Lubuntu
 I've used remmina to connect to windows pcs with remote control
 or remote desktop?
[01:00] <user___> windows not
[01:00] <user___> con lubuntu
 lubuntu to lubuntu, I've heard vnc
[01:01] <user___> I NEED INSTALL Broadcom wireless
 that's the protocol , there are plenty of programs for it
 have you tried this? ... sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:01] <user___> Only i need download the file Broadcom
[01:01] <user___> is it all?
[01:02] <user___> Then the WiFi  appears?
 mejor muevete al canal #lubuntu-es en freenode para hablar en español
 it might, worth trying. Better this in spanish in #lubuntu-es en freenode
 mmm guys, WiFi doesn't work anymore. can I send you my lshw ?
 18.04 btw
[09:53] <diogenes_> bonacin91, anymore? why is that?
 im trying all my partitions. nothing... I think it's a hw problem
[09:58] <diogenes_> what wifi has to do with partitions?
[09:59] <leszek> maybe the hardware wifi lock is active? Do you have a hardware switch for turning off wifi maybe?
 i mean all my OSs. ye it's on.
[10:02] <diogenes_> bonacin91, so it doesn't work in other OSs right?
 yep. now the card sees the available connections but can't connect
 the only modifications I did I can think of are the hosts file and the DNS
[10:04] <diogenes_> bonacin91, reboot the router
 but it was working yesterday
 mm OK even though my other machines are fine?
 hold up
[10:06] <diogenes_> yes even though other machines are fine
 OK back.. still endless cycle
[10:09] <diogenes_> have you rebooted the pc as well?
 solved: I forgot I had a static ip
 sorry 4 the trouble
[10:09] <diogenes_> lol, write on a sticker and place it on your monitor :)
 xD
[11:39] <venik212> Does anyone understand why Ibus forgets the additional input methods I add as soon as I add them?
[11:39] <venik212> Lubuntu 18.10 clean install
[11:41] <venik212> There is NO LANGUAGE support in Lubuntu 18.10
[11:55] <venik212> don't all try to help at once!
 What do you mean with "No language support" I have it in spanish
[12:01] <venik212> I tried to add Czech, and it looked as if it will keep it, but as soon as I close Ibus preferences, it reverts to nothing... ;-(
[12:01] <venik212> Inn gnome there is Language Support in the menu, but not iin Lubuntu
[12:02] <venik212>  at least not in the LXQt version (18.10)
 I did it at installation, let me check how to do after install
 have you tried the manual?
[12:06] <venik212> yes, of course-- no help.  They say to do what I actually did, which did not work on my machine (but did on another)
[12:06] <venik212> this is clean install...
 menu -> preferences -> LXqt config -> regional settings
 have yu tried that ^
[12:07] <venik212> that is for ONE SINGLE language, but I need two, and the ability to switch between the keyboard layouts, aka Input Mathods
[12:07] <venik212> Methods
 There ian addon in the panel, have you tried that for changing keyboard layout?
 (kindindicator is called)
[12:09] <venik212> I did-- (Ibus preferences)-- it works on one machine but not on mine
 I haven't used Ibus, I don't understand how it works
 try that panel addon
[12:10] <venik212> if you go to preferences from the panle icon, you get the Ibus preferences dialog thaat forgets the new added methods as soon as you close the dialog
[12:11] <venik212> I came here after trying all of that
 mmm, It stays for me
[12:11] <venik212> I think there is a bug in the system that trips my particular machine
[12:11] <venik212> it did for mme, too, on another machine, similar to mine, but a different piece of hardware
 try to look which file is where the input method should be stored. maybe is own by root
 I had those problems before with some config files
[12:12] <venik212> yes, I think that IS the issue...
[12:12] <venik212> I got to go-- ttyl
 @thyrth [It's a Pheonix BOIS   if that helps at all .], Phoenix BIOS are a headache. I couldn't get even a single linux distro booted on them.
 Oops! Sorry for replying to such an old msg. But I would be really happy if I could get any linux distro booted on that old metal of mine.
 I boot from live usb, get to grub memu. Select 'try lubuntu without installing' and then the system gets stuck to a black screen with a blinking cursor.
 Every distro other than windows gives me same thing on that pc.
 I even once took out the hard disk, put it to another pc.  Only that black screen with blinking cursor.
[12:45] <hp> hello
[12:46] <hp> hi
[12:47] <hp> Hello
[14:48] <venik212> Loud-- it must be your BIOS settings.  Are you booting on legacy or UEFI?
[15:22] <venik212> WHere does Lubuntu keep keyboard layout files?
 start looking in ~./config/lxqt and the broader it in ~./config
 search for files whos owner is root
 so you can chown and solve your problem
[15:27] <venik212> nothing in .config/lxqt
[15:29] <venik212> I am not sure what the files should look like--  .config/ibus/bus has a file with some weird letters in it, but I don't know what it does or whether it is relevant.
[15:30] <venik212> I ran sudo ibus-setup , and  managed to have ibus keep the second layout, but as soon as I rebooted it was all back to Engliish only, and no additional "input method" was available
[15:31] <venik212> it is INSANE to make something as trivial and useful as that so complicated
[15:36] <venik212> when I run sudo ibus-setup I get a critical error:  (ibus-setup:3456): IBUS-WARNING **: 16:35:03.279: The owner of /home/udi/.config/ibus/bus is not root!
[15:36] <venik212> that is why I suspect that you fingered the problem
[15:39] <venik212> The error is: GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 16:38:32.866: g_dbus_proxy_new: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
[15:39] <venik212> it is Chinese to mme
[15:41] <venik212> so u think I should chown the ibus/bus folder?
[15:50] <venik212> I tried it but it did nothing..
 I don't know
 I've never used more than one keyboard layout and language in my pc.
 so I've never have to deal with that.
[15:53] <venik212> thanks for trying.  I have done it without problems on another machine, and I can;'t see the difference.  I might go back to Gnome to get it done.. ;-(
 you could ask in lxqt forum
[15:54] <venik212> on a different topic-- do u know how to change the sound output using commands in a batch file?  I want to force the sound into the HDMI with a script
[15:54] <venik212> Oh-- I did not know they had one.  I'll try lxqt
[15:57] <venik212> very few sleepy people there... ;-(
 @venik212 [<venik212> very few sleepy people there... ;-(], it depends on the day and the hour
 haven't that script for that, but an ubuntu script might work.
[15:59] <venik212> there is something calle pactl and pacmd, which I wanted to try
[15:59] <venik212> if you have an ubuntu script that might work
[15:59] <venik212> my keyboard is terrible, so there are many typos-- I apologize
[21:20] <praying_mantis> Afternoon!! Just installed Lubuntu 18.10...
[21:21] <praying_mantis> prob tho, is that I'm having issues with the wireless (internal) and I've been seeing a lot of info on the web about it.
[21:21] <praying_mantis> But, I'm so lost in the woods and need a bit of assistance if anyone can help. Thx.
 !b43
 is a broadcom?
[21:27] <praying_mantis> Intel 3945 ab/g
 sorry, I have no clue on that
[21:28] <praying_mantis> np
 @praying_mantis [<praying_mantis> Intel 3945 ab/g], what is your problem? connection drop?
[23:52] <praying_mantis> nah, can't get the software to 'enable' wireless
[23:54] <praying_mantis> i downloaded iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode (firmware) from intel website, but when I try to install it's asking for an application to choose (to run / open it)??


[04:05] <Promethean> What part of Xubuntu is it that intercepts Shift-F6?
[04:05] <Promethean> I've looked for it under Settings > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts
[04:05] <Promethean> and under Settings > Window Manager > Keyboard
[04:05] <Promethean> and I need it for the Rename command in IntelliJ IDEA
[04:07] <Promethean> something's intercepting it, and whatever its function is, my usage pattern doesn't distinguish it from doing nothing
[04:07] <Promethean> distinguish\ the intercepting program's response, I mean
[04:10] <BackTheNerd> woohoo.
[04:11] <Promethean> Hi! What part of Xubuntu is it that intercepts Shift-F6, and how do I turn that shortcut off?
[04:11] <Promethean> It's conflicting with IntelliJ IDEA
[04:15] <Promethean> I've already looked under Settings > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts and Settings > Window Manager > Keyboard
[04:15] <Promethean> and I can't think of anywhere else to look for stray keyboard shortcuts
[09:07] <xubuntu31w> What part of Xubuntu is it that intercepts Shift-F6?
[09:07] <xubuntu31w> I've looked under Settings > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts and Settings > Window Manager > Keyboard
[09:08] <xubuntu31w> but I can't find it in either, and yet Shift-F6 still isn't being received in IntelliJ IDEA, which is the app I *want* to catch Shift-F5
[09:09] <xubuntu31w> Shift-F6*
[09:09] <xubuntu31w> since in that app it's Rename. How do I find what's interfering?
[09:11] <xubuntu31w> .
[10:01] <brainwash> xubuntu31w: did you try to bind it so some action, and then unbind it?
[21:52] <xubuntu05w> -join


[10:11] <ogra> sivang: after making the dir ?
[10:12] <mdz> you don't need to make the dir
[10:12] <mdz> remove the trailing slash from "chroot/"
[10:12] <sivang> mdz: k, thanks alot.
[10:13] <sivang> mdz: same, I think it can't find archive.ubuntu.com or something..
[10:15] <ogra> sivang: i just tried it again, even with the / it works here
[10:16] <sivang> ogra: could you msg me the line you executed?
[10:16] <mdz> you have an extra space somewhere, or something like that
[10:16] <mdz> you're passing 4 non-option arguments to debootstrap, instead of 3
[10:16] <ogra> sivang: i copy and pasted:  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd hoary chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:18] <sivang> ogra:  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd hoary chroot/
[10:18] <sivang> I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release
[10:18] <sivang> E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/hoary/Release
[10:18] <ogra> sivang: now you are missing the archive ;)
[10:19] <ogra> my IRC line is wrapped....
[10:21] <sivang> ogra: working.thanks
[10:22] <ogra> hmm, it might be because the wiki adds this odd little globe graphics in the line....did you copy and paste from the wikipage before ?
[10:25] <ogra> i changed the layout to a better copy and pasteable format
[10:26] <ajmitch> I should setup a hoary chroot/pbuilder setup on my sid box
[10:27] <ajmitch> there was something on the wiki about that somewhere
[10:27] <ajmitch> can't find it now :)
[10:27] <sivang> ogra: I: Base system installed successfully.
[10:27] <ogra> yup
[10:27] <ogra> ajmitch: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[10:28] <ajmitch> ogra: I'm sure there were other instructions along with that
[10:28] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
[10:29] <ajmitch> and I was wanting something for sid
[10:29] <ajmitch> which is what the wiki had, iirc
[10:29] <ajmitch> the debootstrap line requires the hoary debootstrap scripts to be installed
[10:31] <Nafallo> ajmitch: those are copyable ;-)
[10:31] <ogra> ajmitch: there is another page, youre right:http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-music
[10:31] <ajmitch> the use of apt-proxy or similar will have to be mandatory for me :)
[10:31] <ogra> oops, wrong url
[10:31] <ajmitch> heh
[10:31] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ArchitectureBootstrapping
[10:32] <sivang> ogra: gcc-3.3 ??
[10:32] <sivang> ogra: in the chroot
[10:32] <ajmitch> now that looks nice & evil;
[10:35] <ogra> ajmitch: but i think dropping the archive url in the end of the line and changing hoary to sid sould work too
[10:35] <ogra> from the Debootstrap wiki page ....
[10:35] <ajmitch> I've already got a pbuilder chroot setup for building sid packages
[10:36] <ajmitch> so I guess I can get another one setup for warty & then upgrade that to hoary or something :)
[10:40] <moquist_> sivang: hi!  I see you said hi a long time ago.  :)
[10:41] <__daniel> brb
[10:45] <rcaskey> ogra: is warty going to ship with esd as default?
[10:47] <wasabi_> warty shipped awhile ago. ;)
[10:48] <rcaskey> err hoary
[10:48] <rcaskey> it's 4:48 here, you know how it is ;)
[10:50] <T-Bone> fabbione: ping?
[10:51] <thully> hi - how are the dailys looking today?  are they broken in any severe way?  is it advisable to use these or array 2?
[10:51] <rcaskey> array3 is out
[10:52] <thully> that's what I meant - array 3 - my bad
[10:52] <rcaskey> dunno then
[10:52] <rcaskey> btw thully, can you just substitute in array3 or array for hoary?
[10:53] <thully> ? - array 2 and array 3 are milestone snapshots of hoary
[10:54] <rcaskey> yeah, I was wondering if there was a way to track the milestones
[10:55] <thully> no - you track hoary - the milestones are just cleaned-up daily builds for installation
[10:56] <rcaskey> yeah, but they are cleaned up ;)
[10:57] <T-Bone> lamont_r: ping?
[10:58] <lamont_r> ack
[10:58] <rcaskey> usplash debs are due next week right?
[10:59] <lamont_r> Kamion: you still around?
[10:59] <lamont_r> amu?
[10:59] <amu> yep?
[10:59] <lamont_r> how was the amd64 livecd?
[10:59] <amu> lamont_r: Kamion left, i didnt got an image :(
[11:00] <lamont_r> curses.  I'm competing with another downloader.  only 70Kbytes/sec
[11:00] <lamont_r> oh
[11:00] <lamont_r> bummer
[11:00] <lamont_r> mdz about?
[11:00] <mdz> yep
[11:00] <rcaskey> lamont: isn't that linked to in osnews' story
[11:00] <mdz> beating on #5701
[11:01] <thully> how good are today's live CDs for i386?
[11:01] <thully> I'll download today's build if it doesn't sound like it's extremely broken today
[11:02] <amu> lamont_r: there's still time for a new download :)
[11:02] <lamont_r> mdz: wanna kick a livecd build for us?
[11:02] <lamont_r> latest cloop image rsync'ed 17MB, with 10 packages diff in the manifest...
[11:03] <mdz> no shit?
[11:03] <lamont_r> not sure we can get much better than that without dinking around with timestamps in the fsimage
[11:03] <mdz> how did you manage that?
[11:03] <mdz> did you do the zlib thing?
[11:03] <thully> there won't be any new builds in the next hour, right (if there will be, I'll hold off on burning the current one)
[11:04] <mdz> lamont_r: sure, I can do one right now
[11:04] <mdz> lamont_r: a bit later, when I'm finished with busybox, I'll need a set of d-i builds, followed by live CD builds (but no new cloops)
[11:04] <lamont_r> woot
[11:04] <wasabi_> Is anybody here named Celso Pinto?
[11:05] <thully> lamont_r - are you talking about live or installer builds?  because if there is a new build coming I'll hold off on burning the current build
[11:05] <lamont_r> mdz: funny thing was that the 4k:4k version was 127MB of rsync,while te 1024:64k was 17MB...
[11:05] <lamont_r> livecd
[11:06] <lamont_r> thully: although mdz is going to burn a new install cd in a while as well.
[11:06] <thully> will it be ready in next 45min-1hr?
[11:07] <thully> I have to leave for home soon, and I only have dial-up there (here I can nab an ISO faster than a kernel .deb at home)
[11:07] <mdz> should be ready in <10
[11:08] <thully> I heard a timezone fix should be in - and want to test it
[11:09] <mdz> thully: a time zone fix would probably require a new installer build, which I don't think has happened yet.  did Kamion tell you that?
[11:10] <thully> the fix is in base-config - check bug 2416 for details
[11:10] <mdz> lamont_r, thully, sivang: new live CD builds are up
[11:10] <mdz> 20050121.1
[11:10] <mdz> ah, ok, if it's in base-config, it only requires a new cloop image from lamont
[11:10] <mdz> which I think he made recently
[11:11] <thully> I'm talking about installer cd for the timezone fix
[11:11] <lamont_r> Setting up base-config (2.61ubuntu13) ...
[11:11] <lamont_r> is the last one I built, some 4-5 hours ago
[11:11] <lamont_r> or rather, is what's in the last cloop fs that I built
[11:11] <T-Bone> lamont_r: has the "libunwind" bug been fixed in that one?
[11:11] <thully> yep - that's the one that fixes it - is this on the installer build?
[11:11] <mdz> hoary-install-i386.list:/pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.61ubuntu12_all.deb
[11:12] <lamont_r> T-Bone: should almost certainly be...
[11:12] <mdz> ^^ that's what the latest install CD has
[11:12] <T-Bone> lamont_r: gonna test then.
[11:12] <thully> no, then
[11:12] <T-Bone> Kamion: ping?
[11:12] <thully> ubuntu13 has fix
[11:12] <lamont_r> mdz: btw, there's a risk to amd64 livecd because of partimage...
[11:13] <lamont_r> partimage is PaS'ed on ia64,alpha right now (debian), with a comment about it being b0rked on 64-bit....
[11:13] <lamont_r> so either ia64 should try it again, or amd64 is b0rked.
[11:23] <Mithrandir> is there something _really_ fucked with archive.u.c atm?  I'm getting approximately 5k/sec from it.
[11:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: maybe the cd images mirroring or something?
[11:25] <sivang> mdz: what's the rsync url? (i recall it differs form the vhost of the website)
[11:25] <mdz> the I/O on some of those servers is horrific
[11:26] <Mithrandir> mdz: I don't know, it
[11:26] <mdz> sivang: rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/...
[11:26] <sivang> mdz: thank you
[11:26] <Mithrandir> 's just _dog_ slow and wondered if anybody else saw it
[11:26] <sivang> Mithrandir: the archive?
[11:26] <lamont_r> although it's maxed out on rsync clients right now...
[11:26] <lamont_r> dammit
[11:26] <sivang> Mithrandir: I updatted my chroot, was a _pain_
[11:26] <lamont_r> OTOH, I know that it won't rsync for crap this download...
[11:26] <Mithrandir> sivang: I'm running dist-upgrade and getting 8k/sec now, yes.
[11:27] <sivang> Mithrandir: got B/s at the end...
[11:27] <sivang> :-/
[11:27] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: you're sorta lucky, i just timeouted on archive.u.c
[11:27] <Mithrandir> ok, so it's not just me.
[11:28] <thully> I've got a snails-pace download also
[11:28] <maswan> Well, good thing there are mirrors, bad thing that the mirrors are not perfectly up to date?
[11:28] <T-Bone> this is just happening. I downloaded 200M 20mn ago at 540kB/s avg
[11:28] <Mithrandir> ooh, it's 10k/sec now.
[11:29] <sivang> lamont_r: you're not rsyncing?
[11:30] <sivang> @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later
[11:30] <sivang> ergh
[11:31] <lamont_r> yeah - that'd be why sivang
[11:31] <sivang> ok, then wget it is..
[11:32] <lamont_r> mdz: I don't suppose the livecd is bt-able, eh?
[11:33] <amu> lamont_r: i think, it make no sense atm
[11:33] <sivang> 8.57K/s erg..
[11:34] <mdz> lamont_r: ask thom
[11:36] <sivang> 1.64K/s
[11:36] <lamont_r> I was getting 60K/s for a several seconds there...  now1.8
[11:38] <wasabi_> haha i had the same problem.
[11:38] <wasabi_> i was trying to figure out if our inet was messing up
[11:40] <lamont_r> hell - I could fetch it at home this quick...
[11:42] <Mithrandir> it should probably go on another machine?
[11:42] <Mithrandir> or be torrented?
[11:42] <lamont_r> it should tget torrented
[11:43] <lamont_r> but, ENOTHOM
[11:43] <T-Bone> heh
[11:43] <sivang> 41.09K/s
[11:43] <sivang> starting to rise up..
[11:43] <lamont_r> bouncing between 15 and 70
[11:44] <lamont_r> wow! it actually said 113K/s there for an instant. :-)
[11:48] <mdz> that was yesterday
[11:49] <Mithrandir> it's faster again now
[11:49] <lamont_r> mdz: to late, dude. :-)
[11:49] <lamont_r> yeah, much faster
[11:49] <lamont_r> wot
[11:49] <lamont_r> what you hitting ctl characters for anyway??? :-)
[11:50] <T-Bone> lamont_r: get back to the beginning of the line, as it should: ctrl-a / ctrl-e :P
[11:51] <lamont_r> T-Bone: see - that's why I don't use emacs
[11:51] <T-Bone> lamont_r: neither do I. I *hate* emacs :^)
[11:51] <T-Bone> lamont_r: pretty much as I *hate* perl :)
[11:51] <T-Bone> lamont_r: gives you the picture, heh? :^)
[11:51] <elmo> gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"
[11:52] <elmo> T-Bone: ^-- add that to ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[11:53] <T-Bone> doesn't work
[11:53] <elmo> sure it does
[11:54] <mdz> lamont_r: what was the secret to getting the ext2 image more rsyncable?
[11:54] <T-Bone> elmo: what it's supposed to do?
[11:54] <mdz> lamont_r: was zeroing the empty blocks with partimage the ticket?
[11:54] <lamont_r> mdz: amazing foo, thanks
[11:54] <lamont_r> mdz: partimage
[11:54] <mdz> neat
[11:54] <lamont_r> well, that and rsyncing over the top of the previous image
[11:54] <mdz> and cloop took care of itself, I guess
[11:55] <lamont_r> which either (a) necessitates partimage, or (b) makes the cloop grow over time
[11:55] <lamont_r> yeah
[11:55] <mdz> are you doing the rsync-inplace-from-previous-image trick too?
[11:55] <lamont_r> had to
[11:55] <mdz> ah, yes
[11:55] <lamont_r> that was the real trick.  partimage just cleans up the trash
[11:55] <lamont_r> Mithrandir: you gonna grab one of them thar new amd64 livecd images and tell me if it even boots?
[11:56] <Mithrandir> lamont_r: sure, I can do that
[11:57] <mdz> lamont_r: locale generation looks good now
[11:57] <sivang> 185.83K/s ah back up!
[11:57] <mdz> speeds up the boot by several seconds
[11:58] <sivang> mdz: it didn't general he_IL.UTF8 when I tested it llast time..
[11:58] <sivang> generate even
[11:58] <lamont_r> mdz: that'd be because it actually _runs_ locale-gen
[11:58] <mdz> sivang: I find that difficult to believe
[11:58] <mdz> lamont and I are talking about the pre-generated locales
[11:58] <mdz> but generating them on-demand has always worked
[11:59] <lamont_r> sivang: it pre-generates en_{US,GB,ZA},UTF-8
[11:59] <sivang> mdz: just before preparing the live session, well, I only chose "hebrew" as the language in the d-i menu.
[11:59] <sivang> lamont_r: maybe something else is needed to trigger generating other locales?
[11:59] <sivang> I mean, on the user side.
[11:59] <mdz> sivang: did you actually see that the locale wasn't generated, or are you assuming?
[12:00] <mdz> perhaps something else went wrong
[12:00] <mdz> was the locale set in /etc/environment properly?
[12:00] <sivang> mdz: I watched the "generating localeles" message on the debug console or the other consoel that allows me to see what's happening while "preparing for live session".
[12:00] <sivang> mdz: I will check that with the new iso.
[12:00] <lamont_r> mdz: the pre-gen populates /etc/locale-gen (or such) before the install, and runs locale-gen after- dunno if that's affecting the postinst..
[12:00] <mdz> sivang: and it said "Generating locales..." and your locale didn't appear in the list?
[12:01] <mdz> lamont_r: d-i goes in and manhandles it anyway
[12:01] <sivang> mdz: nope
[12:02] <mdz> getting 3MB/sec on amd64 iso download
[12:02] <lamont_r> back to 100K/s here - must be someone else downloading


[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:05] <robru> hola
[15:05] <jodh> \o
[15:05] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May 14 15:04:53 2015 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox)
[15:05] <slangasek> robru doko slangasek bdmurray jodh sil2100 cyphermox mvo caribou stgraber infinity barry
[15:05] <slangasek> robru: hi, are you here? :)
[15:05] <robru> CI Train Spreadsheet Replacement:
[15:05] <robru> * backend in Flask+SQLAlchemy
[15:05] <robru> * frontend in AngularJS
[15:05] <robru> * huge pile of features implemented from scratch
[15:05] <robru> * Created juju charm for deploying it
[15:06] <robru> (done)
[15:06] <slangasek> right on
[15:06] <doko> * GCC work
[15:06] <doko> * packged openjdk-9
[15:06] <doko> * bank holiday today
[15:06] <doko> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek> oh right, holiday ;P
[15:09] <slangasek>  * cloud sprint in malta, then UOS, then miscellaneous phone-related tasks
[15:09] <slangasek>  * moving phone channels around for wily opening and the deprecation of ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[15:09] <slangasek>  * bug #1455119: strange bug with image copies getting the wrong contents on system-image, debugging with barry
[15:09] <slangasek> (done)
[15:09] <bdmurray> This covers a couple of weeks so hold on ;-)
[15:09] <bdmurray> investigation into Error Tracker OOPSes with virtualbox crashes (UnicodeDecodeError)
[15:09] <bdmurray> pushed daisy code to backfill system image counters with alias info
[15:09] <bdmurray> worked with webops to backfill system image counters for aliases
[15:09] <bdmurray> deleted aliased channels from SystemImages CF
[15:09] <bdmurray> renamed vivid to 15.04, added wily in errors frontends
[15:09] <bdmurray> update errors to display new milestones
[15:09] <bdmurray> worked with webops to sort out where why new assets not available
[15:09] <bdmurray> updated retracers to handle apport change re exit code 99
[15:09] <bdmurray> updated whoopsie-update-daily-users cron job to fix 15.04 and add 15.10
[15:10] <bdmurray> worked with doko and barry regarding python-pip issue
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed rls-w reports for wily
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed sru-report issue with wily
[15:10] <bdmurray> research into how to identify ubiquity upgrade failures
[15:10] <bdmurray> review of rls-v bug reports and moving of things to w
[15:10] <bdmurray> reviewed apt/dpkg/apport corrupt package handling
[15:10] <bdmurray> added wily to metarelease, updated u-r-u for wily
[15:10] <bdmurray> working on adding launchpad support to apport-retrace
[15:10] <bdmurray> tested whoopsie on wily live cd
[15:10] <bdmurray> uploaded whoopise change to run on live CD (systemd service not check for ubiquity-dm)
[15:10] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:10] <doko> bdmurray, barry: is this now in -updates?
[15:10] <barry> doko: no
[15:10] <jodh> * upstart:
[15:10] <jodh>   - Spent last week and part of this week fixing bug 1447756 with ondra.
[15:10] <jodh> * snappy:
[15:10] <jodh>   - Reviewed lp:~mvo/snappy/selftest-failover.
[15:10] <jodh>   - Now back to working on upgrader tests.
[15:10] <jodh> ??
[15:10] <doko> barry, what is missing?
[15:11] <barry> doko: i bricked my clone army
[15:11] <bdmurray> I thought there was hesitation about over riding the error.
[15:11] <cyphermox> no sil after all?
[15:11] <cyphermox> * debugging a debconf issue, setting up time-travelling proxy to bisect it, etc.
[15:12] <cyphermox> * various SRUs
[15:12] <cyphermox> * upstreaming multipath, efi patches to Debian
[15:12] <cyphermox> (that's my last few weeks in very shortened)
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * Sponsoring: bug 1401141 (+ SRU)
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * sponsored live-build changes for ext tuning
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * asked dannf to update d-i branches for cleanup and arm64
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * grub triage: identified a few cherry-picks from upstream to be done
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * upload shim 0.8.
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * bug 1297069: testing shim fix for trusty
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * discussed oem-config preseeding with taihsiang
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * NM <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu16 upload to wily
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * prepared ppc64el SRUs for Trusty.
[15:12] <cyphermox>  * reviewed/merge arm64 d-i branch.
[15:12] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:14] <slangasek> mvo's out this week
[15:14] <slangasek> caribou's not here
[15:14] <barry> i+=4?
[15:14] <slangasek> stgraber is out today
[15:14] <slangasek> infinity is out this week
[15:14] <slangasek> :)
[15:14] <slangasek> barry:
[15:14] <barry> system-image: server testing (config.d branch); v3.0 into ci train; triaging bugs; LP: #1454447; LP: #1455119
[15:14] <barry> other: UOS; LP: #1453846; python-lockfile sponsorship; pycurl <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1; updated gunicorn pr for py3; bricking my phone
[15:14] <barry> --done--
[15:15] <slangasek> barry: have you asked around for unbricking advice?
[15:15] <cyphermox> barry: which device and how bricked, maybe I can help
[15:15] <barry> slangasek: not yet.  i've tried a few things and will send a msg to phablet later today
[15:16] <barry> cyphermox: krillin.  it sits at the "bq powered by ubuntu" screen forever
[15:16] <cyphermox> barry: ok
[15:16] <slangasek> barry: ah, I would strongly advise grabbing someone in realtime on #phablet or such
[15:16] <barry> cyphermox: reflashing, even with --recovery-image does no good
[15:16] <cyphermox> might have to reflash with the BQ tool
[15:16] <barry> slangasek: will try
[15:16] <jodh> barry: you prolly need the SP_Flash_tool thing.
[15:16] <cyphermox> (sorry)
[15:17] <slangasek> ok, apparently jodh and cyphermox have experience and could help you :-)
[15:17] <slangasek> any other questions re: status?
[15:17] <barry> yep, thanks guys!
[15:17] <jodh> barry: if the flash tool fails, talk to ondra who has even more powerful unbricking magic :)
[15:17] <bdmurray> Did we make a decision about the python-pip SRU?
[15:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: didn't sound like it to me
[15:18] <barry> bdmurray: i still want to get back to that, after i figure out the system-image server bug and test enough of the si server config.d code to release si 3.0 to wily
[15:18] <barry> bdmurray: eta unknown
[15:19] <bdmurray> barry: what do you mean by get back to that? will there be changes to the packages?
[15:19] <slangasek> barry: that means we should not override the current failures but wait for more investigation, correct?
[15:19] <barry> slangasek: i would like to yes. i know how to fix it.  i'd like to at least fix it in unstable/wily first and then backport
[15:20] <slangasek> should we be concerned about an upload to revert the previous SRU, to roll back those users that already received the update?
[15:20] <bdmurray> no, my investigation showed it happens with the package in the release pocket too
[15:20] <slangasek> oh
[15:20] <slangasek> ok
[15:20] <bdmurray> so letting the SRU go through won't make things worse
[15:21] <barry> the fix, iirc, is just to make sure the whls are always first in sys.path, no matter how its invoked
[15:21] <slangasek> in that case, what reason is there for not overriding these errors reports?
[15:21] <slangasek> if the SRU isn't worse, shouldn't we just continue phasing it, and treat the bugfix separately?
[15:21] <bdmurray> that's my opinion
[15:21] <slangasek> and I gathered that was doko's preference
[15:22] <slangasek> barry: ^^ is that reasonable?
[15:22] <barry> that sounds like a good plan.  i want to do a proper fix but that can happen later
[15:22] <slangasek> ok, great
[15:22] <slangasek> decided! :)
[15:22] <doko> slangasek, well,
[15:22] <doko> ok
[15:22] <bdmurray> I'll triple check that it happens with the release pocket
[15:22] <doko> but the pip still removes egg-info files from packages
[15:22] <slangasek> oh
[15:22] <doko> at least one
[15:23] <slangasek> right, and that /was/ a regression
[15:23] <slangasek> AIUI
[15:23] <slangasek> (but not necessarily the problem being reported on errors.u.c)
[15:24] <slangasek> if that is a regression, best practice is to revert the SRU for now and resubmit once the bug is fixed
[15:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: maybe you want to do a quick reverting upload to knock this off the watch list until barry has time to revisit?
[15:25] <barry> wfm
[15:26] <doko> wait, which packages are affected?
[15:26] <bdmurray> I'm not convinced that this does NOT happen with the version of the package in the release pocket.
[15:26] <bdmurray> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/e71cb16defd3ee4725bd674e5f5850c5f0b76f2c
[15:26] <slangasek> bdmurray: the .egg-info removal?
[15:27] <bdmurray> that's the same import error with 1.5.4-1
[15:27] <barry> bdmurray: not sure about the egg-info bug, but that import error i believe is reproducible in the r.p.
[15:27] <slangasek> "r.p."?
[15:27] <barry> release pocket
[15:27] <barry> and i know why, and i think i have a fix :)
[15:28] <bdmurray> so should we check to see if the "egg-info bug" happens with r.p.?
[15:28] <slangasek> barry: but as that's not the regression, and the .egg-info rm /may/ be a regression (though there's some doubt), fixing the .egg-info problem should be the higher priority
[15:29] <barry> slangasek: maybe bdmurray can confirm that the egg-info problem happens in the rp?
[15:29] <barry> *try to confirm
[15:29] <slangasek> do we have a known reproducer for it?
[15:30] <barry> i don't know that we do for the egg-info bug
[15:30] <bdmurray> yeah, pip install httpie or anything which uses requests
[15:30] <bdmurray> right?
[15:31] <barry> bdmurray: that reproduces the import error, does it also repro the egg-info bug?
[15:31] <slangasek> ok, seems like this needs some further investigation; barry, bdmurray, can we take some time to discuss this after the meeting?
[15:31] <barry> bdmurray: maybe we take this off-line?
[15:32] <barry> yes
[15:32] <slangasek> and not hold the rest of the team captive :)
[15:32] <bdmurray> buh what?
[15:32] <bdmurray> isn't this fascinating?
[15:32] <cyphermox> riveting :)
[15:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:32] <barry> cyphermox: i think you misspelled "revolting"
[15:32] <slangasek> anything else? :)
[15:33] <cyphermox> fyi, I'll be on vacation June 8 to 19?
[15:33] <slangasek> barry: they're pronounced the same in French Canadian
[15:33] <barry> :D :D
[15:33] <cyphermox> hehehe
[15:33] <slangasek> cyphermox: have a good vacation :)
[15:34] <cyphermox> it's not now
[15:34] <cyphermox> but thanks
[15:34] <slangasek> sounds like that's a wrap
[15:34] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 14 15:34:31 2015 UTC.
[15:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-05-14-15.04.moin.txt
[15:34] <slangasek> thanks :)
[15:34] <jodh> thanks!
[15:34] <cyphermox> o/
[15:34] <slangasek> barry, bdmurray: #ubuntu-devel?