[05:44] <duuude> Hello Xubuntu people, thanks for the cool distro.
[05:47] <duuude> I am maintaining a <500KB package of lightweight games, ranging from arcade to more puzzly games called nbsdgames, and it is going to get in the Ubuntu repos by 22.04
[05:47] <duuude> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jammy/nbsdgames
[05:51] <duuude> I thought it might interest you because it is pretty lightweight and packs a lot of diverse gameplay into a microscopic size (18 games with infinite gameplay and a lot of options in each, you could play 49x49 sudoku puzzles for example)
[06:01] <duuude> I know you already include sgt-puzzles, which is a pretty nice package but it is overly puzzly (which didn't feel good as a boredom feed for when one lacks network access and anything to do, you also get frustrated at difficult puzzles as well) and the UI is too... gray. And including this one too (if not instead) won't hurt.
[06:17] <duuude> https://github.com/abakh/nbsdgames


[09:49] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:01] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:13] <rmg51> off to PACS


 I did a critical mistake in Ubuntu. I installed something called indicator-multiload and accidentally changed a setting to the point that my computer freezes. I uninstalled indicator-multiload via recovery and the computer works fine. When i install it again and reboot, computer freezes. how do i reset indicator-multiload without installing
[04:48] <WinnerWind> it again? It seems to store my settings even after i delete it.
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> what setting would that be WinnerWind
[04:49] <PHDQue> Here is The Promised Thesis For you all , from grandpa , https://cryptobug.wordpress.com/2022/04/01/pdfdrive-for-all-prince/ :) good luck ... .
[04:49] <WinnerWind> Something to do with the pixels. i wanted to set it to 100 but set it to 1000 on accident
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> offtopic PHDQue
[04:49] <PHDQue> ''''''''
[04:49] <PHDQue> :)
[04:49] <PHDQue> yeah
[04:49] <PHDQue> how are you all
[04:49] <PHDQue> ubuntu
[04:50] <WinnerWind> System monitor width.
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> !chat | PHDQue
[04:50] <WinnerWind> PHDQue, this is the support channel. please see the door.
[04:51] <WinnerWind> lotusphychje do you have a solution?
[04:52] <PHDQue> solution for ?
[04:52] <PHDQue> you want me to deal from this libera chat governor ?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> WinnerWind: you can reset gnome to default via gnome-tweaks if you like
[04:52] <PHDQue> wait i see you than
[04:52] <PHDQue> i have enough if this is another k-line
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> WinnerWind: or alternate install dconf-tools and find your tweak setting manualy
[04:53] <WinnerWind> does reset gnome to default get rid of my files? I need some data to stay from other apt stuff i installed (eg, Unity hub and VSCode)
[04:53] <WinnerWind> im awfully new, how would i go about this?
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> WinnerWind: it might wipe other gnome settings yeah
[04:53] <PHDQue> deal deal deal
[04:53] <PHDQue> :)
[04:53] <WinnerWind> can you post the command list? I am on windows right now.
[04:53] <PHDQue> done should i register nick ?
[04:53] <WinnerWind> lotuspsychje any other solution?
[04:54] <WinnerWind> PHDQue. What do you need?
[04:55] <PHDQue> nah just one channel and WinnerWind
[04:55] <PHDQue> try that website
[04:55] <WinnerWind> ?
[04:55] <PHDQue> once you open it book mark that link you don't need to open again from that wordpress
[04:55] <PHDQue> since you all don't ban me i open for all now
[04:55] <PHDQue> wait
[04:55] <WinnerWind> what on earth are you even trying to say to me???
[04:56] <PHDQue> ][[]][][[];lsadlsalsdakdwieiqwiiewiqweoewqoksdkasdjdsajnsdgghjasjdsajsjdjsadj
[04:56] <PHDQue> done
[04:56] <PHDQue> wait reboot
[04:56] <PHDQue> http://www.pdfdrive.com/
[04:56] <PHDQue> this
[04:56] <PHDQue> gogoogogo
[04:56] <WinnerWind> what is this???
[04:56] <PHDQue> :)
[04:56] <WinnerWind> dude, the rules exist
[04:56] <WinnerWind> mods, if your reading this, i think we got a rule breaker.
[04:56] <PHDQue> that's my Thesis for you all
[04:56] <PHDQue> nobody care
[04:57] <PHDQue> i will collect my money now
[04:57] <PHDQue> i am auwooo
[04:57] <PHDQue> skraito and ndut2
[04:57] <WinnerWind> PHDQue. I need help.  Thank God ... .
[05:03] <WinnerWind> just gline him. very effective.
[05:03] <PHDQue> brb
[05:04] <WinnerWind> okay fine
[05:04] <WinnerWind> back to the problem. lotuspsychje are you here?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> !patience | WinnerWind
[05:05] <PHDQue> ahh so your true jesus church old
[05:05] <WinnerWind> oh sorry. I thought you were busy.
[05:05] <PHDQue> you using my os ?
[05:05] <PHDQue> let's go swap them kim
[05:05] <PHDQue> thanks for your g - line frog
[05:05] <PHDQue> 8 billion dollar time my normal money
[05:05] <PHDQue> to all tjc.org
[05:05] <PHDQue> per person
[05:05] <PHDQue> deal
[05:05] <WinnerWind> disruption again. I dont want to disturb the mods again. please just stop.
[05:06] <PHDQue> done he said it again pay in 1 month
[05:06] <PHDQue> mean easy money for him and them
[05:07] <WinnerWind> Hey, i have a question. Sudo apt reinstall package : reinstalls the package. does that reset the package to default (aka forget all settings?)
[05:10] <WinnerWind> I have to go. Ill ask my doubt later.
[05:19] <PHDQue> done
[05:19] <PHDQue> all governor
[05:19] <PHDQue> #harvard is done let's go
[05:19] <PHDQue> guys you know how to setup
[05:19] <PHDQue> raid ?
[05:19] <PHDQue> i mean software raid
[05:19] <PHDQue> if i am you i will read solaris 11
[05:19] <PHDQue> is super bitcha kids granpa grandma mom and dad bro and sis
[05:20] <PHDQue> i show you the book
[05:21] <Apachez> when is LTS 22.04 scheduled to be released?
[05:21] <PHDQue> http://www.pdfdrive.com/solaris-10-sparc-solaris-11-sparc-and-solaris-11-x64-e128097418.html
[05:21] <PHDQue> don't Apachez
[05:22] <PHDQue> that's not completed yet
[05:22] <Apachez> ohh ubuntu release upgrader just got updated
[05:22] <PHDQue> if you use ubuntu
[05:22] <PHDQue> use windows 11 enterprise instead
[05:22] <PHDQue> don't use linux for client
[05:22] <PHDQue> there is something call x forwarder
[05:22] <Apachez> I dont like all the billions of malware which comes with windows11
[05:22] <PHDQue> so you can use it to run gion
[05:23] <PHDQue> :p in Our code you mean ?
[05:23] <PHDQue> haha
[05:23] <PHDQue> if microsoft old i don't use it myself
[05:23] <PHDQue> check https://microsoft.com
[05:23] <PHDQue> there is iso for it
[05:23] <PHDQue> We provide iso now with volume license
[05:23] <PHDQue> is free just go
[05:24] <PHDQue> governor how much for all those windows ?
[05:24] <PHDQue> is Our code at 2005
[05:24] <PHDQue> not 2022
[05:27] <PHDQue> check guys
[05:27] <PHDQue> is pdfdrive.com you guys can open
[05:27] <PHDQue> We hope you repent
[05:27] <PHDQue> come to join #harvard if you all want to ask me 0day question not relating to ubuntu
[05:56] <xu-irc92w> whats new ubuntu 22.04
[06:01] <PHDQue> nah
[06:01] <PHDQue> ubuntu is not
[06:02] <PHDQue> is Our new code
[06:02] <PHDQue> have you guys heard
[06:02] <PHDQue> about Our server
[06:02] <PHDQue> We combine azure aws google and more
[06:02] <PHDQue> order from https://interserver.net
[06:02] <mybalzitch> smear campaign continues
[06:03] <PHDQue> oooooooooooooo
[06:03] <PHDQue> definetly tjc again
[06:03] <PHDQue> let's see hmmm
[06:03] <PHDQue> nah that's max kim
[08:52] <gausus> re
[08:52] <gausus> I am trying to use libvirt Virtual Machines management in Cockpit, yet i get the following error: Virtualization service (libvirt) is not active
[08:53] <gausus> There is a message in the logs: https://pastebin.com/BaYVVcAX
[08:53] <gausus> Quemu has apparmour as a security driver
[08:53] <gausus> yet that didn't solve anything
[09:02] <tonicman> FREENODE AND LIBERA MOVED TO https://worldhacker.org , Come KIDS , Grandpa , ALL PHD LET'S JOIN , WAIT TILL WEBCLIENT LOAD AND CONNECT ... .
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[09:39] <eoli3n> Hi
[09:40] <eoli3n> LTS releases are supported 3 years right ?
[09:40] <eoli3n> 20.04 will end in April 2023 ?
[09:43] <eoli3n> https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> !focal | eoli3n
[09:44] <blb1213085> !jammy
[10:28] <yundo3> How can I fully disable automounting in Ubuntu 20.04? I tried to use "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false" But it does not work.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:45] <linsux> can new 22 lts provide with net install iso please? it's gone since 18
[12:46] <linsux> developer?
[12:47] <yrdsb2> hey
[12:47] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[12:47] <oerheks> not sure there will be a 22.04 version, use the server iso?
[12:48] <linsux> server iso don't have gui and a bunch of cloud init thing
[12:51] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-next, until release support is there
[12:56] <tomreyn> netinstall is gone since 19.10
[12:57] <tomreyn> i mean netboot
[13:55] <XATRIX> Hi ,can you advice ? I'm trying to install AMDGPU driver on my laptop, but it refuses to load. My system starts in low-graphics mode, then hang. (If i start from liveusb it does ok. I can see amdgpu driver loaded). I can start my laptop with 'nomodeset' kernel param, but i have no GLX. So my apps which i have to use, refuse to start on
[13:55] <XATRIX> Can you adivce how to set this up ?
[13:56] <XATRIX> I have 2 kernels on my laptop. vmlinuz-5.13.0-39-generic (HWE-20.04) and defualt one vmlinuz-5.4.0-107-generic
[13:56] <XATRIX> I tried many versions of amdgpu-pro-20.XX-1188099-ubuntu-20.04.tar.xz to compile DKMS module, and currently i have it
[13:57] <XATRIX>  #dkms status: amdgpu, <IP_ADDRESS>.50-1384495, 5.13.0-39-generic, x86_64: installed
[13:58] <XATRIX> and for the second kernel i have it as well, but i when i start my system without 'nomodeset' it still have no GLX and hangs in 5 min
[13:59] <XATRIX> I don't know maybe i have to regenerate my /etc/X11/xorg.conf , but i don't know how to
[13:59] <XATRIX> I suppose it autodetect drivers and display params on a X startup
[14:02] <tomreyn> XATRIX: is there any reason why you need amdgpu-pro?
[14:03] <XATRIX> tomreyn: it will be enough for me even amdgpu, not -pro. Simply need 3D accellerated dirver
[14:03] <tomreyn> XATRIX: a default ubuntu install will provide amdgpu
[14:04] <tomreyn> i.e. you most likely had that before you started experimenting
[14:04] <XATRIX> tomreyn: maybe, but it's not working :(
[14:04] <tomreyn> it's not working *now* due to customizations amdgpu-pro or you made
[14:05] <tomreyn> you should not need to have an xorg.conf
[14:05] <XATRIX> I can simply remove my downloaded proprietary driver, and the system will be as it was. But this does no changes
[14:05] <XATRIX> That's why i need help :(
[14:06] <tomreyn> uninstall any parts of the proprietary driver, move xorg.conf out of the way, make sure amdgpu is not blacklisted as a module.
[14:06] <tomreyn> reboot and see what your logs say
[14:09] <XATRIX> Got it. Give me a sec please
[14:30] <XATRIX> tomreyn: I did it, but when i load my system, it hangs on splashscreen when display manager starts. I took a log from. Can you look at. I don't see amdgpu.ko loaded by xserver in.
[14:30] <XATRIX> https://pastebin.com/XvREftWT
[14:31] <XATRIX> That's why i looked for a prop. driver to use
[14:31] <XATRIX> tomreyn: i have 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Picasso/Raven 2 [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] (rev c4)
[14:31] <XATRIX> Amd Ryzen3 processor
[14:31] <XATRIX> laptop
[14:33] <tomreyn> pci=noaer might break it
[14:34] <XATRIX> it's for my RTL8821CE wifi adapter, i took it somewhere from the forums, it stops working after a while
[14:34] <XATRIX> I suppose it disables PCIeX powersavings for
[14:35] <alkisg> It did work when you used the live cd to install ubuntu, right?
[14:35] <tomreyn> does    lspci -knnd ::0300 | nc termbin.com 9999     report that amdgpu is loaded?
[14:35] <alkisg> Did it also work after the first reboot?
[14:35]  * blb1213085 Upgrading to 22.04 by "sudo sed -i 's/focal/jammy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt upate && sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[14:36]  * blb1213085 Upgrading to 22.04 by "sudo sed -i 's/focal/jammy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt upate && sudo apt dist-upgrade". In a virtual machine of course...
[14:36] <XATRIX> Negative. My system was migrated from another laptop. So, it's not a fresh install. But if i start livecd, and check the logs, seems like it works well
[14:36] <XATRIX> I have 20.04 LTS
[14:37] <tomreyn> blb1213085: unless you need support with an ubuntu release listed in the channel /topic, please move it to #ubuntu-next for 22.04 (until release) or to #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewehre
[14:37] <tomreyn> XATRIX: it is not clear whose question you responded to.
[14:38] <blb1213085> ah, cmon, it'll be not next anymore in a week
[14:38] <ogra> blb1213085, independent of the release, this is not a supported/supportable upgrade method ...
[14:38] <XATRIX> tomreyn: sorry, take a look please https://termbin.com/djzd
[14:38] <BluesKaj> blb1213085, not a good idea skipping over releases in between focal and jammy
[14:38] <XATRIX> i was replying to alkisg for the qest. about a first boot
[14:38] <blb1213085> no worries, I'll support myself, always did
[14:39] <tomreyn> XATRIX: the module is not loaded, though
[14:39] <XATRIX> But Kernel modules: amdgpu ? O_o
[14:39] <BluesKaj> blb1213085, well, good luck with that
[14:39] <tomreyn> XATRIX: did you check /etc/modprobe* for a blacklisting of the amdgpu module?
[14:40] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ sudo modprobe amdgpu
[14:40] <XATRIX> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'amdgpu': Invalid argument
[14:40] <XATRIX> And dmesg says:
[14:40] <blb1213085> I only need package management anyway
[14:40] <XATRIX> [ 1079.392760] [drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting.
[14:40] <ogra> blb1213085, you are intentionally making a mess ... just use the supported and tested way to upgrade .... but indeed that's up to you ...
[14:41] <XATRIX> tomreyn: it's not blacklisted, it checked it
[14:41] <XATRIX> sorry for my english, i'm not native :(
[14:42] <tomreyn> XATRIX: no worries about the language, you're doing fine. do you see any blacklisting configured, though?
[14:43] <XATRIX> nope, i double checked /etc/modprobe.d for
[14:43] <XATRIX> xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ grep -R amdgpu /etc/modprobe.d/
[14:43] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$
[14:43] <blb1213085> it'll work I'm sure
[14:45] <tomreyn> XATRIX: feel free to post a full dmesg on a pastebin-like service
[14:47] <XATRIX> tomreyn: https://paste.debian.net/1238049/ - this system start is with nomodeset
[14:47] <tomreyn> XATRIX: well, then it wont work obviously
[14:47] <XATRIX> sorry for the debian pastebin, but i'm using #dmesg | nopaste to pastebin huge data
[14:48] <tomreyn> debian pastebin is fine
[14:50] <tomreyn> quoting our paste: "[    0.027065] You have booted with nomodeset. This means your GPU drivers are DISABLED"
[14:51] <tomreyn> * your
[14:52] <XATRIX> I can't boot it actually, hanging on splash screen, so i have to restart it with nomodeset to be able to connect here
[14:52] <ioria> XATRIX, did you run properly the uninstall script ? amdgpu-pro-uninstall or similar ?
[14:53] <XATRIX> Yeap, packages which come with this setup gone, and dkms modules as well
[14:54] <ioria> XATRIX, dpkg  -l | grep amdgpu | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <tomreyn> can you see whether there is a "full screen logo show" or similar option on your bios setup UI?
[14:54] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[14:55] <rob0> nomodeset, I think, would also disable the proprietary GPU driver.
[14:55] <XATRIX> rob0: it does
[14:56] <XATRIX> tomreyn: i was talking about XFCE splashscreen. Ok. i'll try to add debug... and see what's happeing
[14:56] <tomreyn> if you remove "splash" and "quiet" you should get to see where it hangs.
[14:56] <tomreyn> so this is xubuntu, not a default, gnome-based ubuntu?
[14:57] <XATRIX> it's just a window manager
[14:57] <XATRIX> sudo find / -name amdgpu* | grep -v "xatrix"
[14:57] <XATRIX> https://paste.debian.net/1238050/
[14:57] <XATRIX> says i have no propi. driver stuff
[14:57] <ioria> XATRIX, dpkg  -l | grep amdgpu | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:58] <XATRIX> xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ cat /etc/os-release
[14:58] <XATRIX> NAME="Ubuntu"
[14:58] <XATRIX> VERSION="20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
[14:58] <XATRIX> ioria: https://termbin.com/u05t
[14:58] <ioria> you have oibaf
[14:59] <ioria> XATRIX, all wrong
[14:59] <ioria> still the i386 ver
[14:59] <ioria> and this is no good -> amdgpu-install
[14:59] <XATRIX> sounds if, yes
[14:59] <XATRIX> yes, have purged it now
[15:00] <ioria> sounds is no, you need to ppa-purge oibaf for start
[15:00] <XATRIX> it's only a repository for the amdgpu-insstall script
[15:00] <XATRIX> ioria: got it
[15:00] <ioria> you need to ppa-purge oibaf , reinstall the xorg ver for amdgpu
[15:01] <ioria> reinstall the kernel and run unpdateinitram
[15:01] <XATRIX> https://pastebin.com/k5D19MxU
[15:02] <XATRIX> have no oibaf ppa
[15:02] <tomreyn> what does this print?  apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:02] <ioria> ii  libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64                       2.4.110+git2204010500.85393a~oibaf~f
[15:02] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ dpkg  -l | grep amdgpu
[15:02] <XATRIX> ii  libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64                       2.4.110+git2204010500.85393a~oibaf~f     amd64        Userspace interface to amdgpu-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime
[15:02] <XATRIX> ii  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu                  19.1.0-1                                 amd64        X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver
[15:02] <XATRIX> do i have to remove libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64 as well ?
[15:03] <ioria> XATRIX, you probably have disabled that ppa
[15:03] <ioria> XATRIX, no, you need to revert
[15:04] <XATRIX> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/9426
[15:04] <XATRIX> ioria: you mean apt purge  libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64 ?
[15:04] <ioria> sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[15:05] <XATRIX> ioria: https://imgur.com/hZWWCZc.png
[15:06] <ioria> apt-cache policy libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64
[15:07] <XATRIX> ioria: https://imgur.com/eG8l9DW.png
[15:07] <XATRIX> so if i remove it , and apt install , it should install it not from ppa , is it correct ?
[15:08] <XATRIX> becase if i have no ppa:oibaf any more
[15:08] <ioria> ok, something else have installed it, maybe amdgpu-pro ; you need to revert manually
[15:08] <alkisg> Don't remove, use apt install=version to downgrade
[15:08] <alkisg> Removing packages might also remove necessary dependencies, and make the system unbootable
[15:09] <XATRIX> sudo apt install libdrm-amdgpu1=2.4.107-8ubuntu1~20.04.2
[15:09] <XATRIX> ?
[15:09] <ioria> the problem is that all the system is stuffed with wrong libdrm things
[15:09] <alkisg> Yeh
[15:09] <XATRIX> ok, i'll try to
[15:09] <ioria> it's not just one package
[15:09] <XATRIX> is it ok ?
[15:09] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/CwHb43U.png
[15:09] <XATRIX> ioria: yea, i suppose it to
[15:10] <alkisg> XATRIX: use google translate on this one: https://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=7370.0
[15:10] <alkisg> It's a how-to-revert-to-CURRENT-sources-list-vesions
[15:10] <XATRIX> alkisg: it's about package restoration , right ?
[15:11] <alkisg> Right, you can use it instead of apt install=xxx, and it will do all your packages with one command
[15:11] <ioria> also libc6 is wrong ... XATRIX
[15:11] <XATRIX> alkisg: even my skype, and etc... ?
[15:12] <alkisg> XATRIX: it will downgrade; it won't remove
[15:12] <XATRIX> ioria: em...?
[15:12] <ioria> libc6/now 2.35-0ubuntu3 amd64
[15:12] <XATRIX> do i have to reinstall it as well ?
[15:13] <alkisg> No
[15:13] <ioria> focal has 2.31-0ubuntu9.7
[15:13] <XATRIX> now i have the following https://imgur.com/SO7EoRz.png
[15:13] <alkisg> (eh I meant about my link, not about libc, I didn't see that; anyway time to go!)
[15:14] <ioria> XATRIX, that is ok
[15:14] <XATRIX> ioria: that about libc6 https://imgur.com/0qkONTB.png
[15:14] <Umeaboy> What's the right name for Ubuntu Software in launchpad? It's confusing to see software-center when that hasn't had a releases since 13.10.
[15:14] <ioria> XATRIX, wrong, downgrade
[15:15] <enigma9o7[m]> isnt it gnome-software?
[15:16] <Umeaboy> Could be. I just don't understand how it can be fully translated to 100% when I clearly see in the gui that it's NOT fully translated.
[15:17] <XATRIX> ioria: sounds if it doesn't want to https://imgur.com/8W0sIWc.png
[15:18] <alkisg> XATRIX: keep the link I sent you, it's the result of much searching from a very experienced sysadmin; you'll need it later on when you decide that doing it manually is more difficult AND more dangerous :)
[15:18] <alkisg> AFK, back later...
[15:19] <XATRIX> alkisg: got it. thanks :) good luck!
[15:19] <alkisg> 👍
[15:20] <ioria> XATRIX, apt-cache policy libcurl4  nc termbin.com 9999
[15:20] <ioria> XATRIX, apt-cache policy libcurl4  | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:21] <XATRIX> alkisg: one more question. I did it how the article says. It is ok ? https://imgur.com/dtZoGN5.png
[15:23] <XATRIX> ioria: https://imgur.com/pRQnLlt.png
[15:23] <ioria> XATRIX, go on with the cmd above
[15:23] <tomreyn> Umeaboy: it's a snap. try:  snap list *software*
[15:24] <XATRIX> ioria: which one ?
[15:24] <ioria> XATRIX, https://imgur.com/dtZoGN5.png
[15:24] <tomreyn> Umeaboy: and then: snap info <apckage>    to get info on how to contact the developer
[15:24] <XATRIX> alright, let's give it a try
[15:25] <XATRIX> I suppose i'll remain online ^_^
[15:25] <Umeaboy> tomreyn: error: no matching snaps installed.
[15:25] <tomreyn> Umeaboy: which ubuntu version is this?
[15:26] <Umeaboy> tomreyn: Jammy.
[15:26] <Umeaboy> 22.04.
[15:26] <tomreyn> !ubuntu-next | Umeaboy
[15:27] <ioria> brb
[15:27] <tomreyn> Umeaboy: support for what will be 22.04 is in #ubuntu-next only
[15:29] <kiritro2535423> hello
[15:34] <tomreyn> XATRIX: regarding https://termbin.com/9426 - this is a list of debian (dpkg/apt managed .deb) packages which are either installed in a version which deviates from that of your ubuntu release (more precisely, your currently apt repositories), or which are not available in your ubuntu release (more precisely: not available from any of your currently configured apt repositories)
[15:36] <tomreyn> your list is very long, meaning you have made a lot of customizations / installed a lot of unsupported software (versions). as ioria already pointed out, your libc6 version also differs from that of your ubuntu releases. this is yet more worrysome, may only be fixable with a reinstall.
[15:38] <XATRIX> tomreyn: my current installation is from 2015 year. :) was upgraded, migrated from laptop to laptop :)
[15:39] <ogra> Umeaboy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/  is the ubuntu software app since 20.04 ...
[15:39] <XATRIX> I have a GUI setup and apps which i like to use, don't want to reinstall completely :(
[15:40] <tomreyn> XATRIX: i'm just informing you what your situation is.
[15:40] <ioria> XATRIX, is it done ?
[15:41] <XATRIX> tomreyn: take a look please, after i downgraded much https://termbin.com/h99z
[15:41] <XATRIX> ioria: yeap
[15:41] <XATRIX> i afraid to reboot ^^
[15:41] <ioria> XATRIX,  dpkg -l | grep amdgpu
[15:42] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ dpkg -l | grep amdgpu
[15:42] <XATRIX> ii  libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64                       2.4.107-8ubuntu1~20.04.2                       amd64        Userspace interface to amdgpu-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime
[15:42] <XATRIX> ii  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu                  19.1.0-1                                       amd64        X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver
[15:42] <ioria> XATRIX,  dpkg -l | grep libc6
[15:42] <XATRIX>  https://imgur.com/1v4Yqcs.png
[15:43] <ioria> nice
[15:43] <XATRIX> don't ask to reboot, i'll do suspend for future :)))))
[15:43] <ioria> XATRIX,  uname -r
[15:43] <XATRIX> i afraid, i won't be able to boot any more :))
[15:43] <XATRIX> 5.4.0-107-generic
[15:44] <XATRIX> i have 5.13.0-39-generic installed as well
[15:44] <ioria> XATRIX, dpkg -l | grep hwe
[15:44] <ioria> ah, ok
[15:44] <XATRIX> ii  linux-hwe-5.13-headers-5.13.0-39           5.13.0-39.44~20.04.1                           all          Header files related to Linux kernel version 5.13.0
[15:44] <XATRIX> ii  linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04              <IP_ADDRESS>.44~20.04.24                          amd64        Virtual Linux kernel image
[15:44] <ioria> not here
[15:44] <XATRIX> was experimenting with RTL8821ce wifi drivers and amdgpu
[15:45] <XATRIX> my wifi was unable to start out from the box
[15:45] <XATRIX> only with DKMS module
[15:46] <ioria> XATRIX, maybe this (last one): dpkg -l | grep xorg  nc termbin.com 9999
[15:46] <XATRIX> https://termbin.com/fvaz
[15:47] <ioria> XATRIX, it's ok
[15:47] <XATRIX>  xserver-xorg-video-intel                   2:2.99.917+git20200226-1 - i suppose it from oibaf ppa as long as i see
[15:47] <XATRIX> but i have no intel card on this laptop
[15:48] <ioria> nope
[15:48] <ioria> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel focal
[15:48] <XATRIX> so, restart ? w\o nomodeset and amdgpu.dc=0 ?
[15:48] <ioria> XATRIX, it's not from oibaf
[15:48] <tomreyn> did you notice those 16.04 and 18.04 packages you have installed?
[15:49] <XATRIX> no
[15:50] <XATRIX> maybe it has some dated packages from the times when my system as 16.04 and 18.04 ?
[15:50] <tomreyn> you might also want to     sudo update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c
[15:50] <XATRIX> *was
[15:50] <tomreyn> yes, that's what i'm thinking
[15:50] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ sudo update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c
[15:50] <XATRIX> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.4.0-107-generic
[15:50] <XATRIX> did it
[15:51] <ioria> XATRIX, yes, but reboot with the 5.4 kernel
[15:51] <tomreyn> see the references to 16.04 and 18.04 in the list you created with the command i provided
[15:51] <XATRIX> tomreyn: ok
[15:51] <XATRIX> ok..i'll try to restart. wish me luck
[15:51] <tomreyn> i'd suggest removing those and then    apt update && apt full-upgrade    before reboot
[15:51] <XATRIX> ok..i'll inspect it
[15:54] <tomreyn> what a mess
[15:55] <XATRIX> So, i'm back here again.
[15:56] <XATRIX> I restarted and had a low-graphic warining as it was before. then my X crashed. (without nomodeset , amdgpu.dc=0)
[15:56] <XATRIX> I restarted with these params, and i was able to boot
[15:57] <XATRIX> and a good news,now my apps which was unable to start, doing well now
[15:58] <XATRIX> I don't know what cause it
[15:58] <XATRIX> But amdgpu isn't working as long
[15:59] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ lsmod | grep amdgpu
[15:59] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$
[15:59] <ioria> XATRIX, sudo updatedb && locate -i xorg.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:59] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/Xt8Zr1R.png
[16:00] <XATRIX> https://termbin.com/kyu5
[16:01] <XATRIX> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.new - i suppose it's my experiments
[16:02] <ioria> XATRIX, is this a VM ?
[16:02] <XATRIX> VM ? nope. It's a system on a laptop
[16:02] <XATRIX> installed on a NVME drive
[16:03] <ioria> XATRIX, dpkg -l | grep drm | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:03] <XATRIX> https://termbin.com/dss3
[16:05] <ioria> XATRIX,  purge libva-drm1
[16:06] <ioria> XATRIX,  and  remove that  /etc/apt/preferences.d/50priorities
[16:07] <XATRIX> ioria: i commented out everything in there
[16:07] <ioria> purged ?
[16:08] <XATRIX> ?
[16:08] <ioria> XATRIX,  purge libva-drm1
[16:09] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/1ulgPgC.png
[16:09] <XATRIX> ok ?
[16:10] <ioria> no...
[16:10] <ioria> XATRIX,  apt-cache policy  libva-drm1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:11] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/JBk9QMJ.png
[16:12] <ioria> XATRIX,  ok, go on
[16:12] <XATRIX> puring
[16:12] <ioria> yes
[16:13] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/JnzkPO1.png
[16:13] <XATRIX> done
[16:13] <tomreyn> you can add -V to the purge command line to see which versions of packages will be removed
[16:14] <ioria> XATRIX,  ls  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-amdgpu.conf
[16:14] <XATRIX> ls: cannot access '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-amdgpu.conf': No such file or directory
[16:15] <ioria> XATRIX,  ok, i suggest to reinstall the hwe stack
[16:15] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ sudo grep -R *amdgpu* /etc/modprobe.d/
[16:15] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$
[16:15] <ioria> XATRIX, sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[16:16] <XATRIX> doing
[16:17] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/q5wUPTC.png
[16:17] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ dkms status
[16:17] <XATRIX> rtl8821ce, <IP_ADDRESS>, 5.13.0-39-generic, x86_64: installed
[16:17] <XATRIX> rtl8821ce, <IP_ADDRESS>, 5.4.0-107-generic, x86_64: installed
[16:18] <tomreyn> there's a chance that your out of tree wireless driver might not work on this newer kernel version, though it built fine
[16:18] <XATRIX> but 5.13.0 is unable to modprobe this driver
[16:19] <ioria> XATRIX, how you know ?
[16:19] <XATRIX> ...also my backlight control is not working :) i suppose it will after amdgpu comes back to me :)
[16:19] <Jeremy31> XATRIX: is Secure Boot enabled?
[16:20] <XATRIX> negative
[16:20] <XATRIX> i never use it
[16:20] <tomreyn> we've seen it disabled in an earlier log
[16:20] <ioria> XATRIX, try to reboot on the new kernel, without nomodeset
[16:20] <XATRIX> and my laptop doesn't support legacy. only UEFI
[16:21] <XATRIX> becase of NVME
[16:21] <XATRIX> ok. give me some time to
[16:21] <ioria> but i need to go for a while, sy
[16:21] <XATRIX> gl!
[16:26] <XATRIX> Ok, i was able to start 5.13 kernel, but i have low-graphics warning again. And my wifi drivers seems to work. But i had a black screen with a blinking cursor after some time
[16:26] <XATRIX> I wasn't able to switch to TTY console, but was able to shutdown my box using power key ACPI
[16:27] <XATRIX> And it seems like my laptop always connects to wifi only in 2.4Ghz mode. Not using 5G at all
[16:30] <tomreyn> XATRIX: so, since you were able to shutdown properly, you should have a system log from last run, which you could review / post.
[16:31] <XATRIX> have unstable connection. My wifi was gone, no pings. Had to reconnect
[16:32] <tomreyn> you can temporarily boot the previous kernel again, or use a different network device, such as an andoird / ios mobile device to tether through
[16:32] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -1    should get you the previous system log
[16:32] <XATRIX> now it's stable for a bit. but i'm not sure how much it will
[16:33] <tomreyn> i'll have some food now, but will check back later
[16:33] <tomreyn> you should continue cleaning up the list of forign packages / package versions
[16:33] <XATRIX> tomreyn: https://paste.debian.net/1238061/ -
[16:33] <XATRIX> https://paste.debian.net/1238062/
[16:35] <XATRIX> Ok, i'll be AFK a bit. Will be back in a few hours.
[16:44] <oerheks> i got regular google chrome updates lately .. lost count this month.
[16:44] <oerheks> yay, another one :-D
[16:51] <blb1641330> so, i've just installed 22.04 to get sixel support in terminal but they didn't include it into libvte, why?
[16:52] <oerheks> !next
[16:59] <thomasnoah> Hi all
[17:00] <thomasnoah> I have an awesome idea to make linux number 1 on desktops
[17:00] <thomasnoah> Do you want to know this idea?
[17:00] <thomasnoah> *Do you guys want to know this idea?
[17:00] <oerheks> hi thomasnoah this is ubuntu technical support, join #ubuntu-discuss for ideas ?
[17:01] <enigma9o7[m]> And sell it to Mark Shuttleworth.
[17:01] <enigma9o7[m]> Perhpaps you should patent it.
[17:14] <blb1641330> # echo "just do it"
[17:14] <blb1641330> where is shbot?
[17:15] <oerheks> blb1641330, why?
[17:16] <blb1641330> oerheks: wrong channel
[17:23] <GBGames> Anyone know why XChat won't auto-connect to an IRC server despite the fact that I have the box checked to do so?
[17:24] <cbreak> GBGames: can't tell you, but Konversation auto-connects
[17:25] <GBGames> cbreak: Well, that's good to know. Thanks!
[17:25] <oerheks> xchat is dead, unmaintained
[17:26] <oerheks> hexchat is a fork from xchat, and there are others https://libera.chat/guides/sasl see the list supported
[17:34] <GBGames> oerheks: Ohhhh, I was just coming to that conclusion because the latest bug reports seem to be from 2015.
[17:35] <GBGames> Thanks!
[17:37] <GBGames> Ok, now to see how easy it is to copy the configuration of XChat to HexChat.
[17:39] <GBGames> Haha YES https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html#how-do-i-migrate-my-settings-from-xchat
[17:47] <AngryTom> I have  dGPU and an iGPU. When I pass through the dGPU to a virtual machine, video playback begins to stutter. What could be the problem?
[17:50] <AngryTom> not in the vm, on the host
[17:53] <GBGames> Aaaand now my IRC client is autoconnecting. Woo hoo!
[17:54] <GBGames> HexChat it is, then.
[17:56] <intrepidsilence> hi all- hope everyone is having a fabulous Friday
[17:57] <intrepidsilence> i just built a new system - Asus TUF X570-Pro + Ryzen 5 3600 with 64G RAM - Trying to install ubuntu server from USB stick with ISO written to it
[17:57] <intrepidsilence> Boots to grub fine, select Install Ubuntu, then black screen - never changes
[17:58] <intrepidsilence> If i go into grub and take quiet out I see a full screen of output from the kernel and then it goes black - I recorded that screen and there were no errors before it goes black
[18:04] <intrepidsilence> I have tried with two graphics cards
[18:04] <intrepidsilence> last thing it says before black is:
[18:05] <intrepidsilence> fb0: switching to amdgpudrmfb from EFI VGA
[18:10] <GBGames> Oh, here I was wondering if hexchat's nick-auto complete was different from XChat, and the real issue was that intrepidsilence left before I could reply. :D
[18:12] <basenjis> did you check the video card and controllers? lspci -v or check for errors in logs  sudo journalctl -p 3 -xb
[18:17] <osu117ost> hi
[18:19] <basenjis> I am using hexchat now and you will have to use  SASL then it will save your auto complete
[18:20] <osu117ost> ok._.
[18:22] <basenjis> @GBGames
[18:26] <H3dn1ng> Where can I find snapd update logs (which apps have been updated when)?
[18:32] <basenjis> Type:  snapd changes
[18:36] <basenjis> @H3dnlng Terminal:  snapd changes
[18:41] <H3dn1ng> basenjis: That, unfortunately, only gives the very latest changes, at least for me...
[18:41] <basenjis> True
[18:43] <kostkon> H3dn1ng, there might be some more activity in syslog, although a bit verbose
[18:48] <basenjis> They should be in /lib/systemd/system/snapd/ directory
[18:49] <basenjis> look for log after that
[18:54] <tomreyn> intrepidsilence: bios fully updated?
[18:55] <tomreyn> !bootlog | intrepidsilence
[19:10] <waltman> Hi all. There was a typo in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2022-April/001312.html. The subject says "Jammy Jellyfish", but the body still says "Impish Indri".
[19:15] <intrepidsilence> ubottu - thanks - I got it working - i had tried nomodeset and it had not worked - i must have typo'd it because it works now - now I am just trying to find the firmware for the AMD RX570 so I can install it for the firmware loader to use
[19:22] <tomreyn> intrepidsilence: such firmware is installed by default.
[19:24] <tomreyn> waltman: this is a mailing list archive. you could respond on the list to point this out (if you can send mail there), or, maybe better, directly contact the author of said e-mail.
[19:28] <waltman> tomreyn: Thanks. I wasn't sure if ubuntu-devel-discuss was an open list, but replying directly to the author works. Thanks for the suggestions!
[19:30] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether or not it's open either.
[19:31] <tomreyn> you actually missed lukasz by a few minutes only, he was online five minutes before you asked.
[19:44] <arkurious> Is there any Linux software for Cooler Master SK622?
[19:47] <Lumpio-> Keyboards should be supported by standard drivers
[19:54] <webchat81> Hi I need help troubleshooting an issue I'm having with the 22.04 beta and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask.
[19:56] <rob0> arkurious: if you're talking about action buttons which do things, there's a good chance those already work in gnome.
[19:57] <webchat81> rob0 are you responding to me?
[19:57] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1 | webchat81
[19:58] <rob0> webchat81: if my comment helped you in some way, you are welcome to use it!
[19:59] <rob0> But note, your nick is not arkurious ... that's someone else.
[19:59] <webchat81> Sorry this is my first time using IRC and my brain just completely skipped over the mention
[20:37] <tomreyn> arkurious: possibly relevant https://github.com/chmod222/libcmmk - this is source code, you may want to look for pre-compiled, packaged variants.
[21:02] <XATRIX> tomreyn: hey! are you online ? :)
[21:03] <tomreyn> XATRIX: a/s/l?
[21:03] <XATRIX> em....a ? :)
[21:03] <tomreyn> or maybe you had a concrete Ubuntu support question?
[21:04] <XATRIX> still have a trouble with amdgpu :)
[21:04] <tomreyn> XATRIX: what did you do since?
[21:05] <XATRIX> i took a dmesg log, and Xorg.0.log while i boot it without nomodeset and amdgpu.dc=0
[21:06] <tomreyn> and what's the current outcome?
[21:06] <XATRIX> It can't run in a framebuffer ? O_o
[21:06] <tomreyn> did you remove the software installed from before the last two release upgrades, and installed all the pending (in-release) upgrades since?
[21:08] <XATRIX> Em.. but i need some software which comes from a ppa. I can't remove all of it
[21:08] <XATRIX> And all upgrades are installed. no available now
[21:09] <tomreyn> so you went over the list of locally installed packages and removed everything you do not strictly require?
[21:09] <tomreyn> because those don't even come from a ppa, those have no upgrade path at all
[21:10] <XATRIX> https://termbin.com/28lx - do you mean , this list ? Everything inside can be removed safely ?
[21:10] <XATRIX> apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'
[21:10] <tomreyn> those are packages / package versions which are not part of your ubuntu release
[21:11] <tomreyn> those are either manually installed or leftovers, or installed by someone else who manages your computer in addition to you.
[21:12] <tomreyn> why do you need cuda-repo-ubuntu1804-10-2-local?
[21:13] <XATRIX> yeap. i have nvidia sdk-manager for Nvidia Jetson nano ARM64 platform
[21:13] <XATRIX> I use it for EMMC update on Jetson nano
[21:14] <tomreyn> and this requires cuda?
[21:14] <tomreyn> for ubuntu 18.04?
[21:14] <tomreyn> on ubuntu 20.04?
[21:15] <rob0> Hi, this is a silly question.  I know 14.04 is almost 3 years past EOL.  But was /etc/rc.local a thing back then?  Just put commands in there and they'd run at the end of boot time?
[21:16] <XATRIX> Linux for tegra has only 18.04 version of ubuntu. So, i have to stay with this repos
[21:16] <tomreyn> XATRIX: you know that debian packages define dependencies, often versioned, and those dependencies cannot neccessarily, in fact quite often not, be resolved across different ubuntu releases?
[21:16] <tomreyn> XATRIX: you should be using containers to run different ubuntu releases side by side, or virtualization.
[21:17] <XATRIX> yes, i thought about this. i didn't think that it could give a trouble with the drivers :(
[21:18] <XATRIX> So, i have to remove everything in this list, we got from the cmd. ?
[21:18] <tomreyn> XATRIX: i don't know this, but you're operating far outside of what's supported (none of what's on this list is supported)
[21:19] <tomreyn> XATRIX: and all of thise could introduce problems, preventing other software to upgrade.
[21:19] <XATRIX> damn.. ok. i'll try. i suppose it will take much more packages as dependencies while purging
[21:19] <XATRIX> " preventing other software to upgrade." - yea.. that's true
[21:20] <tomreyn> XATRIX: it may be easier if you start by just double-checking the important components of the graphics stack, making sure you are running the right versions
[21:21] <tomreyn> so anything xorg related, libdrm, mesa, amdgpu etc
[21:21] <XATRIX> ok. give me some time pls
[21:22] <tomreyn> and i'd at least purge those 'local' packages / package versions which could be graphics related
[21:22] <tomreyn> so anything mentioning 'oibaf' for example
[21:23] <XATRIX> libdirectfb-1.2-9 i can only find as related to
[21:24] <tomreyn> yes, possibly. also those "gd~x" packages
[21:25] <tomreyn> you really should revert all libs
[21:25] <tomreyn> and python modules
[21:26] <tomreyn> and anything C and llvm related
[21:27] <tomreyn> sysv-rc and insserv haven't been in use for a decade
[21:28] <XATRIX> ok, but will it break my 18.04 sdk manager ?
[21:28] <XATRIX> ah... damn it. i'll move it to the desktop PC
[21:28] <tomreyn> i do not know, but this is ubuntu 20.04, not 18.04
[21:29] <XATRIX> Yes, they simply have no SDK for 20.04
[21:29] <tomreyn> we're discussing in cicles
[21:29] <XATRIX> yes, sorry. i'm just messing with my thoughts
[21:29] <enigma9o7[m]> 18.04 rules
[21:31] <tomreyn> use containers to run different ubuntu releases side by side, or virtualization. you can set an 18.04 container up at the same time you're fixing this, maybe that will make it easier to clean this up and keep a working configuration
[21:31] <XATRIX> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[21:31] <XATRIX>   initscripts* sysv-rc*
[21:31] <XATRIX> is it ok ?
[21:32] <tomreyn> !info initscripts focal
[21:32] <gordonjcp> XATRIX: I have a similar problem with amdgpu-pro
[21:32] <tomreyn> !info sysv-rc focal
[21:32] <gordonjcp> XATRIX: I've come to the conclusion that AMD GPUs are basically not worth the hassle
[21:32] <gordonjcp> XATRIX: zero support#
[21:33] <XATRIX> gordonjcp: sure, i never gonna buy this crap. But i was given by...
[21:33] <XATRIX> so no choice
[21:33] <XATRIX> tomreyn: got it
[21:33] <gordonjcp> XATRIX: same, it was in some stuff at work that the CAD guys used to use
[21:33] <gordonjcp> XATRIX: I might see if I can figure out how to install this Windows thing on it
[21:33] <tomreyn> amd gpus usually work fine with open source drivers and full graphics acceleration out of the box.
[21:33] <gordonjcp> apparently AMD is supported in Windows
[21:33] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: not AMD
[21:34] <gordonjcp> or, it's supported, but only if you use the AMD binary drivers and have the newest generation of card
[21:34] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: yes. but can we discuss this in -discuss or -offtopic please
[21:42] <XATRIX> something is spawning this message every minute
[21:42] <XATRIX> ERROR: No such file or directory   [/opt/brother/scanner/brscan-skey/brscan-skey.config]
[21:45] <XATRIX> is it possible to see which package depends on ?
[21:46] <XATRIX> I mean i would like not to remove virtualbox viber
[21:46] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/iWpFxUI.png
[21:47] <tomreyn> XATRIX: brscan-skey is a brother scanner driver package
[21:47] <XATRIX> yea
[21:47] <XATRIX> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ dpkg -S /opt/brother/scanner/brscan-skey/brscan-skey-exe
[21:48] <XATRIX> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /opt/brother/scanner/brscan-skey/brscan-skey-exe
[21:48] <cbreak> afaik, /opt isn't used by ubuntu
[21:48] <tomreyn> you'll need to show the error message with context, on a pastebin-like service
[21:48] <cbreak> you must have gotten that from some third party something
[21:49] <XATRIX> yea
[21:49] <tomreyn> !info libssl1.0.0 focal
[21:49] <XATRIX> https://pastebin.com/s0ibCkgb
[21:50] <XATRIX> i'm trying to find out which package to remove
[21:50] <tomreyn> what does this say?  dpkg -S /opt/brother/scanner/brscan-skey/brscan-skey-exe
[21:51] <XATRIX> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /opt/brother/scanner/brscan-skey/brscan-skey-exe
[21:51] <tomreyn> it should have been part of package   brscan-skey
[21:52] <XATRIX> ah...i removed it
[21:52] <tomreyn> maybe just kill the process then
[21:52] <XATRIX> already
[21:52] <XATRIX> sure
[21:52] <tomreyn> kill 10590
[21:52] <XATRIX> Can you advice how to find out which lib is pulling viber and virtualbox by itself ?
[21:52] <cbreak> no such package: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=brscan-skey&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[21:52] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/ENEeqqP.png
[21:53] <XATRIX> cbreak: it's not native package
[21:53] <tomreyn> cbreak: right, it's a third party package by brother, the printer manufacturer
[21:53] <XATRIX> sound if i installed it from brother website some days aog
[21:54] <tomreyn> or centuries
[21:54] <XATRIX> could be
[21:54] <tomreyn> i don't know a good way to find the libs which viber or virtualbox6.1 depend on, sorry
[21:55] <tomreyn> try removing those you think won't be related first
[21:57] <tomreyn> such as anything -dev and the llvm packages
[21:57] <cbreak> do you know what it's started by?
[21:57] <cbreak> maybe something in launchd, or a cron entry
[22:24] <XATRIX> tomreyn: https://imgur.com/S6sToQQ.png
[22:24] <XATRIX> apt-rdepends
[22:25] <tomreyn> XATRIX: i refuse to work with screenshots of plain text outputs, please use termbin or paste.debian.net or the like
[22:25] <XATRIX> ok. got it
[22:25] <tomreyn> but i'm not sure what i could help there anyways
[22:26] <XATRIX> https://paste.debian.net/1238076/
[22:26] <XATRIX> it's just for the note. i found a way how to find dependencies
[22:27] <tomreyn> yes, this approach works, but is at least as time consuming as the reverse approach
[22:28] <tomreyn> until you automate it, or find some script that already does, and does it properly. but at this time you've spent three times as much time. ;-)
[22:30] <XATRIX> you're right:) but at least it's something :)
[22:31] <tomreyn> :) good find.
[22:34] <XATRIX> do i need 'ubuntu-sso-client' ?
[22:34] <XATRIX> Or it can be safely removed ?
[22:37] <tomreyn> XATRIX: https://packages.ubuntu.com let you search for packages and package versions which exist in "focal" (ubuntu 20.04)
[22:38] <tomreyn> example: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&searchon=names&suite=focal&section=all&keywords=bash
[22:53] <XATRIX> tomreyn: ok, i've cleaned as much as i can
[22:53] <XATRIX> https://termbin.com/ry52
[23:16] <XATRIX> tomreyn: sorry, for touching you again, any idea ? https://paste.debian.net/1238079/
[23:17] <XATRIX> maybe i have to install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-18.04
[23:18] <XATRIX> i don't know if it can do the trick on 20.04
[23:20] <tomreyn> XATRIX: you're on 20.04. 20.04 doesn't have a different Xorg version for vanilla and HWE kernels. ther eis just one Xorg version (and just one set of xorg 2D drivers)
[23:20] <XATRIX> so, it's not gonna work, right ?
[23:21] <tomreyn> XATRIX: no, installing xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-18.04 will serve no purpose.
[23:21] <XATRIX> :( damn
[23:21] <tomreyn> can you show   ls -la /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:21] <XATRIX> Xorg says i have to specify BusID for my framebuffer device
[23:21] <XATRIX> https://termbin.com/d1tkk
[23:24] <tomreyn> i don't have some of these files on my system
[23:25] <tomreyn> can you run dpkg -S against each of them and verify those are provided by 20.04 packages?
[23:25] <enigma9o7[m]> files are dumb anyway
[23:25] <tomreyn> enigma9o7[m]: i don't think this is going to help here.
[23:26] <enigma9o7[m]> ah ok
[23:26] <enigma9o7[m]> well on the off chance, keep it in mind
[23:26] <XATRIX> do you mean https://termbin.com/ws8d
[23:27] <XATRIX> and one has error: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[23:27] <tomreyn> XATRIX: so delete the intel one
[23:30] <XATRIX> done
[23:31] <tomreyn> XATRIX: which login manager do you use there? lightdm, gdm3, something else?
[23:32] <XATRIX> lightdm/focal-updates,now 1.30.0-0ubuntu4~20.04.2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[23:32] <XATRIX> gdm3/focal-updates,now 3.36.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64 [installed,automatic]
[23:32] <XATRIX> xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[23:32] <XATRIX> /usr/sbin/lightdm
[23:34] <tomreyn> XATRIX: does this list any files?   ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf* ~/.config/xorg* ~/.local/share/xorg*
[23:35] <tomreyn> XATRIX: and please keep using a pastebin when sharing mroe than one line
[23:35] <XATRIX> yea, got it
[23:36] <XATRIX> https://pastebin.com/4P1M6J5m
[23:40] <tomreyn> XATRIX: those /etc/X11/* should nto actually exist. can you move them out of the way
[23:40] <tomreyn> those /etc/X11/xorg.conf* rather
[23:41] <XATRIX> everything in /etc/X11/ ?
[23:42] <XATRIX> removed
[23:42] <tomreyn> just the /etc/X11/xorg.conf* files, right?
[23:44]  * walaka Freenode , Libera Chat Moved to https://worldhacker.org :) , come join Us ... . [ 0day (xc) Our ] WhiteHat Hacker Team And Dev ... .
[23:46] <XATRIX> tomreyn: DUDE, IT WORKS!!!
[23:47] <XATRIX> https://paste.debian.net/1238081/
[23:47] <XATRIX> https://paste.debian.net/1238082/
[23:47] <XATRIX> https://paste.debian.net/1238083/
[23:47] <XATRIX> My backlight driver works as well!
[23:47] <XATRIX> YOU're AWESOME!
[23:48] <XATRIX> Currently i have resolutions to choose from
[23:48] <enigma9o7[m]> if you chose not to decide you still have made a choice
[23:49] <XATRIX> yea :)
[23:51] <XATRIX> direct rendering: Yes
[23:52] <tomreyn> XATRIX: oh nice
[23:52] <tomreyn> i assume it was the leftover intel configuration file there
[23:53] <XATRIX> Yea... so much affords to find out 1 file :)
[23:54] <tomreyn> it helps to not have untracked / leftover configuration files in places they don't belong
[23:54] <XATRIX> yea


[08:00] <Saviq> Mirv, morning... any idea where unity8 from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1138 ended up on xenial? the silo was force-merged so that we could speed up other landings, but a few packages seem to have ended up in oblivion :(
[08:02] <Saviq> also, any idea about the "blanket FFe" we got before on touch components? is it still in effect or should we actually open up xenial overlay already?
[08:33] <jibel> Mirv, can you help vicamo with the publication of silo 70. The is a packaging change which I think need a ack from someone
[08:34] <jibel> there*
[08:47] <robru> Saviq: I'm not sure what happened specifically in that case, but anything force merged while a silo is in "UNAPPROVED queue" would wind up in oblivion, yes. force merging is only safe for packages in proposed pocket.
[08:48] <robru> Saviq: indeed http://paste.ubuntu.com/15485856/ the ones listed as "UNAPPROVED queue" are lost and you can blame kenvandine for force merging
[08:49] <Saviq> robru, yeah was worried that was what happened
[08:50] <robru> Saviq: best course of action I guess is to hurry up and finish the next silo and get it published, assuming it has all the same packages. if it doesn't, you'll need a new silo with null merges in order to get trunk released to xenial
[08:50] <Saviq> robru, can we not recover the packages in the silo and publish?
[08:50] <Saviq> undelete/copy to a new silo
[08:51] <Saviq> they're all there after all
[08:51] <robru> Saviq: yeah I suppose you can fish them out: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-013/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[08:51] <Saviq> yup that was what I was thinking
[08:52] <robru> Saviq: probably easiest to get a core dev to just copy them directly to -proposed, less work than starting a new silo and copying to a new PPA and then publishing all over again
[08:52] <Saviq> robru, yup
[08:52] <Saviq> sil2100, morning!
[08:52] <Saviq> you awake yet? ;)
[08:52] <sil2100> Saviq: morning!
[08:59] <robru> sil2100: so the new source package build code is live and has had a dozen or so successful builds today, including GLES packages, so I don't expect you'll see too many surprises at this point. watch out for unity8, mediascanner2, unity-scopes-api and unity-scopes-shell, those ones will now require the branches I submitted to them already.
[08:59] <Saviq> sil2100, so... because we jumped the gun yesterday, some packages from silo 13 ended up in oblivion (UNAPPROVED queue, so never got into proposed)
[08:59] <Saviq> sil2100, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15485893/
[09:00] <Saviq> any chance you could fish them out from the PPA and into proposed?
[09:03] <sil2100> Saviq: let me take a look
[09:04] <sil2100> uh, unity8 landed in the UNAPPROVED queue?
[09:05] <Saviq> that's what the train said, yeah
[09:05] <Saviq> and then, because Ken force-merged it (because we had no idea it wasn't good until things are in proposed), they just went POOF
[09:06]  * Saviq thought UNAPPROVED is *in* proposed
[09:06] <sil2100> I thought things would be good as well - it doesn't see them as valid anymore?
[09:07] <sil2100> Since it should still be visible as a sync in UNAPPROVED, so in theory it should migrate to -proposed once someone pushes the button
[09:07] <Saviq> not sure where UNAPPROVED is, though
[09:09] <sil2100> cjwatson: hey! An archive-related question: we have a bunch of uploads that went to the UNAPPROVED queue (CI Train copy-package from a silo PPA) and then we got the silo freed (with the packages removed) - did the package removal cause any issues here, or are we still safe?
[09:12] <robru> sil2100: what? no. merging in UNAPPROVED has never been legit.
[09:13] <sil2100> robru: what's happening then?
[09:14] <robru> sil2100: Saviq: "pockets" are places where packages actually live, eg proposed pocket and release pocket. "queues" are like TODO lists "eventually copy this somewhere". if you delete a package from a PPA and it's just in UNAPPROVED queue, then when they go to copy it they find the source PPA is empty
[09:14] <Saviq> ah
[09:14] <sil2100> robru: deleted packages are still in the PPA, they don't disappear completely ever
[09:14] <sil2100> So LP is not able to find them just because of that?
[09:14] <Saviq> but the copy probably looks for one in Published state
[09:14] <sil2100> That's a bit sad
[09:15] <robru> sil2100: well however queues are managed they don't see deleted PPA packages. this was always the case. every time somebody force merges packages in UNAPPROVED eventually some archive person pings me (like months later) saying "hey what happened to this sync, the source disappeared"
[09:15] <Saviq> sil2100, maybe easiest to copy the deleteds to a new silo and publish once more?
[09:15] <robru> sil2100: this situation will only get worse as we move to ephemeral PPAs and delete the entire PPA rather than just delete packages from the PPA.
[09:16] <robru> eg the PPA will really be deleted and it won't be possible to just "copy the deleted package"
[09:16] <Saviq> so maybe force_merge should not allow that when copys are in a queue
[09:17] <Mirv> Saviq: jibel sorry, on holiday today
[09:17] <Saviq> Mirv, go away then ;P
[09:17] <robru> Saviq: well at one point all the train guards knew this, which is why we made it so that only train guards can force merge, I'm not sure why everybody forgot this recently.
[09:17] <jibel> Mirv, np sil2100 is on it. Enjoy your holidays
[09:17] <sil2100> Saviq: yeah, that's the plan I'm realising ;)
[09:18] <Saviq> robru, they probably forget every time a new release is open so no UNAPPROVED ;)
[09:19] <Saviq> sil2100, thanks
[09:20] <robru> Saviq: I guess. ken should have known this too. argh.
[09:20] <Saviq> robru, now I know :)
[09:22] <oSoMoN> Mirv, do you have rights to publish oxide-qt? silo 80 is ready to land
[09:23] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'll be on it once I deal with this aftermath here
[09:24] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks
[09:24] <davidbarth> thanks indeed, it's ready and hopefully the last release for that ota
[09:28] <robru> sil2100: sounds like you have everything under control. goodnight!
[09:28] <om26er> dobey, Hi! What should I look out for in silo 66 ?
[09:31] <jibel> om26er, the U1 login page is blue and it shouldn't
[09:31] <jibel> I think that's the visible part of the buf
[09:31] <jibel> bug*
[09:32] <om26er> jibel, that rightly is Fast track
[09:33] <jibel> om26er, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/248086202/screenshot20160314_120118243.png is the bug
[09:34] <om26er> jibel, does 'Fast track' tag also means we don't need to go through the TestPlan or is it still required to run the test plan ?
[09:35] <jibel> om26er, run the part of the test plan affected by the change only, verify that the issue is fixed
[09:36] <morphis> sil2100: ping
[09:36] <Saviq> robru, the gles refactor in train is not yet in effect, is it?
[09:37] <sil2100> morphis: pong
[09:37] <morphis> sil2100: you talked with QA about https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1145 ?
[09:38] <sil2100> morphis: yes, they should be aware
[09:38] <morphis> sil2100: great, thanks
[09:38] <morphis> jibel, davmor2: any reason why I don't see https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1145 on the QA board yet?
[09:41] <davmor2> morphis: because we hate you ;) I can create a ticket but I think jibel can set it in the system so we get all the info from bileto
[09:42] <morphis> davmor2: that is the reason I see :-)
[09:42] <morphis> davmor2: more to come :-)
[09:43] <davmor2> morphis: no you only get one for ota10 final freeze and all that :P
[09:46] <morphis> davmor2: I am just development others take the decision what to push and what not :-D
[09:47]  * davmor2 makes note to block everything morphis lands in future :P
[09:47] <morphis> :-)
[09:54] <jibel> morphis, proposed migration failed with unsatisfiable deps
[09:54] <jibel> morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-028/excuses.html
[09:56] <morphis> jibel: yes, but that is just because vivid itself misses thigns and britney doesn't know about the overlay ppa properly (that is what sil2100 told me)
[09:56] <morphis> jibel: we ignore that execuse last time
[10:01] <jibel> morphis, ^
[10:03] <morphis> jibel: thanks!
[10:23] <sil2100> Saviq: did you get my earlier message?
[10:33] <robru> Saviq: the recent rollout did affect how gles are handled but you still need to supply null merges for gles packages. Only difference is the get-orig-source target is ignored & handled by train now
[10:33] <robru> (I'm totally not here tho)
[10:37] <robru> Saviq: the larger refactoring where gles is totally handled for you is caught up with some other big changes and will take a bit longer. For now, enjoy the faster build times ;-)
[10:38] <cjwatson> sil2100: Deleted packages are remembered forever to the extent that you can't ever reuse a version number in the same archive, but the actual files are garbage-collected after a short delay (a day or two?  I forget) after deletion
[10:38] <cjwatson> In an ideal world the copy request would hold a reference such that they aren't GCed
[10:39] <cjwatson> But it needs quite a lot of complex refactoring before that's possible, unfortunately
[10:45] <Saviq> sil2100, don't think I did
[10:45] <sil2100> Darn VPN issues
[10:45] <sil2100> 11:20 < sil2100> Saviq: I got preempted for a bit from your silo (emergency in the turbo
[10:45] <sil2100>                  world), but I'll get back to re-adding the remvoed packages once I can
[10:45] <Saviq> sil2100, nw, thanks
[10:45] <Saviq> I know what's the prio
[10:46] <sil2100> Saviq: I'm actually doing some copies in the background to silo 57 already
[10:47] <Saviq> tx
[11:38] <bzoltan> sil2100: Something is fishy here - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/249786544/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-armhf.ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1.3.1908+16.04.20160324.2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:39] <bzoltan> sil2100: `dbus-test-runner --task gdb [...]` segfaults
[12:13] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks - another quick question: the package publisher in LP, how much time does it actually need for a single package?
[12:13] <sil2100> Since I made a snapshot (so a lot of copies from one PPA to another) and I'm waiting for them to publish since over 30 minutes
[12:20] <cjwatson> sil2100: That's not a meaningful question, because it doesn't operate at the single-package level; it basically runs in a loop republishing all PPAs that have changed.  So it depends on other activity in the system.
[12:21] <cjwatson> sil2100: That said, it's spent the last hour or more working on nothing but your snapshot.
[12:22] <cjwatson> sil2100: Looks like it's maybe two-thirds of the way there or so?  I can only guess
[12:24] <cjwatson> You're asking for it to copy an awful lot of data around over the network, so it takes quite a while.
[12:24] <cjwatson> It's literally been streaming data out of the librarian for basically an hour.
[12:25] <sil2100> hah
[12:25] <sil2100> Thanks ;)
[12:25] <cjwatson> Then it will have to think for quite a while to generate the indexes.
[12:26] <cjwatson> Not sure how long that will take.
[12:55] <Saviq> sil2100, mterry's around now so we should be able to untangle the situation ourselves
[12:56] <mterry> Saviq: I don't have UNAPPROVED rights
[12:56] <popey> jibel: do you have someone assigned / planned to test dekko for OTA-10?
[12:56] <popey> jibel: I don't see a card in https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/qa-testing-requests-for-questions-ping-ubuntu-qa-on-ubuntu-ci-eng
[12:56] <mterry> Saviq: I think that's release team?
[12:56] <mterry> Saviq: no.  archive admins
[12:57] <Saviq> mterry, as long as we start with putting the packages in the new PPA and publishing them, we can then start chasing them
[12:57] <sil2100> mterry, Saviq: no worries, I almost have all the packages in the PPA
[12:57] <sil2100> Will publish in a moment
[12:57] <Saviq> ktx
[12:57] <mterry> Saviq: oh wait, maybe I misunderstood.  I assumed the packages were sitting in the UNAPPROVED xenial queue.  You're talking like they're lost and we're doing archeology
[12:58] <Saviq> mterry, UNAPPROVED queue is just that - a queue, the packages can't sit there
[12:58] <Saviq> (I learned this morning)
[12:58] <Saviq> it's just a reference to packages that are to be copied
[12:58] <mterry> Saviq: well they can if the queue isn't processed right?
[12:59] <Saviq> mterry, they still need to remain in where *from* they are to be copied until they're copied
[12:59] <mterry> Saviq: oh....
[12:59] <Saviq> mterry, queues don't actually hold source packages
[12:59] <mterry> Saviq: so deleting the PPA was bad then.  I get it
[12:59] <Saviq> yup
[12:59] <mterry> Saviq: that's funny
[12:59] <sil2100> mterry, Saviq: all packages in silo 57 now
[12:59] <Saviq> coolz
[13:00] <cjwatson> sil2100: Oh, didn't actually take too long after I said that.
[13:00] <sil2100> cjwatson: indeed :)
[13:00] <cjwatson> mterry: It's basically a Launchpad bug, but a very difficult one to fix.
[13:01] <sil2100> cjwatson: waiting for a few others to get published that I had to copy afterwards
[13:01] <cjwatson> Saviq: Not even a proper reference; it just names the things to copy.  If it were a reference then this would be easily fixable.
[13:01] <Saviq> right, depends on the definition of a reference :)
[13:03] <jibel> popey, if there is no request there won't be any card on the board
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> Can I have a silo to land the fix for bug 1559428 ?
[13:11] <greyback_> trainguards: hey, what have I got wrong to cause this: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-013-0-status/9529/consoleFull
[13:11] <kenvandine> oh geez... i had no idea... if UNAPPROVED is just a reference what happens to packages that were dput?
[13:12] <kenvandine> Saviq, robru: sorry about that... i thought that was ok
[13:14] <Saviq> greyback_, that's likely the same issue - packages not published to xenial
[13:14] <Saviq> greyback_, but it shouldn't be fatal
[13:14] <sil2100> greyback_: eh, you got silo 13 huh?
[13:15] <greyback_> sil2100: yeah
[13:15] <greyback_> good luck 13, eh?
[13:15] <dobey> om26er: check for regressions and that the colors are correct
[13:15] <Saviq> right, that might be interesting :)
[13:15] <sil2100> greyback_: I suppose this will clear out once we get the packages re-published
[13:16] <dobey> oh i guess jibel answered
[13:16] <kenvandine> i didn't read all the scrollback, did someone figure out how to resurrect the packages?
[13:16] <om26er> dobey, approved that already
[13:16] <sil2100> Saviq: could you confirm https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-057 has all packages we need?
[13:16] <greyback_> sil2100: Saviq, ok thanks
[13:16] <Saviq> kenvandine, yeah, copied to silo 57 and publishing again
[13:16] <kenvandine> whew
[13:16] <dobey> om26er: yeah, just saw. thanks
[13:17] <Saviq> sil2100, UNAPPROVED queue (geonames/xenial, indicator-datetime/xenial, indicator-session/xenial, qtmir-gles/xenial, qtmir/xenial, qtubuntu-gles/xenial, qtubuntu/xenial, unity-api/xenial, unity8/xenial).
[13:17] <Saviq> so yeah, looks fine
[13:17] <Saviq> sil2100, but waiting to publish - you saturated LP with the snapshot ;)
[13:17] <sil2100> ...;)
[13:18] <sil2100> Yeah, sorry about that
[13:19] <Saviq> sil2100, btw, are we opening xenial overlay any time soon?
[13:19] <dobey> sil2100: can you publish/pkg ack silo 66?
[13:19] <sil2100> We could, that would be nice to discuss and decide for next week
[13:21] <cjwatson> kenvandine: unapproved is just a quasi-reference in the case of copies.  it's somewhat more concrete in the case of direct uploads.
[13:22] <kenvandine> cjwatson, noted... i didn't realize it was handled differently for copies
[13:28] <sil2100> dobey: will do, got preempted to turbo agian
[14:12] <Saviq> mterry, can you please publish https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1179 - the PPA seems published now
[14:12] <mterry> k
[14:12] <Saviq> sil2100, FYI ↑
[14:13] <mterry> Saviq: it says "UNAPPROVED queue"?  makes me think it already got published?
[14:13] <Saviq> mterry, well, I'm not sure what will happen - the packages were added to the queue, but then disappeared from the PPA
[14:14] <Saviq> it might be we'll actually need to no-change rebuild them, otherwise archive might reject since it's the same version
[14:14] <Saviq> mterry, or we ask someone with the powers to actually copy to proposed
[14:16] <mterry> seb and didier aren't around...  let me see who else to bother
[14:16] <sil2100> Just re-publish
[14:16] <mterry> ok
[14:16] <sil2100> We allow re-publishing sources from the same silo, the same should apply if it's from a different silo
[14:17] <mterry> done
[14:19] <sil2100> mterry: thanks!
[14:22] <Saviq> mterry, looks a bit no-op... https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-057-2-publish/6/consoleFull
[14:23] <Saviq> ok so how do we now ask for these to be copied to proposed? we need FFe?
[14:25] <mterry> Saviq: well we got an FFe before...  that was before final freeze hit.  But I think we should be fine.  Just need to bug an archivee admin
[14:27] <Saviq> mterry, can you please take care of that?
[14:28] <mterry> Saviq: ok
[14:31] <cjwatson> Saviq: version checks don't apply to things in the queue FWIW
[14:31] <cjwatson> this may or may not be considered a feature
[14:35] <Saviq> :)
[14:47] <pstolowski_> sil2100, hey, any idea why this keeps failing https://launchpadlibrarian.net/249805433/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity-scopes-shell_0.5.7+16.04.20160324.3-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz ? note http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15487628/
[15:33] <charles> hm
[15:33] <charles> indicator-display test failure, let's see what happened...
[15:49] <pstolowski_> cjwatson, hey, any idea about the issue I mentioned above (1h ago)?
[15:53] <pstolowski_> cjwatson, ah, i just noticed the comment from robru under this silo...
[15:54] <robru> pstolowski_: I'm not sure if my comment would result in that failure, but if you look at the diffs that were generated, your debian/control file is wrong because you're missng my branch
[15:54] <pstolowski_> robru, i've just added your MP to my silo, retrying
[15:59] <jibel> Kaleo, bfiller_ silo 30 approved
[16:00] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: if you guys don't mind, let's skip today's LT meeting - all is clear I suppose nayway
[16:00] <bfiller_> jibel: I saw, thank you
[16:00] <jibel> sil2100, +1 to skip
[16:00] <davmor2> +1000 to skip it
[16:00] <cjwatson> pstolowski_: doesn't look especially exotic, you're missing a build-dep
[16:00] <cjwatson> (on cmake)
[16:01] <robru> pstolowski_: diffs look good with my branch in place, good luck with your build failure!
[16:03] <pstolowski_> cjwatson, i've cmake in build-deps (note, we have control.in and control is generated). it's most likely the pre-release-hook change from robru that's now needed
[16:03] <cjwatson> I guess
[16:04] <pstolowski_> yeah i think it looks good so far in the silo
[16:17] <charles> morphis, ondra, this is a bit of a tracer so I wouldn't be surprised if this one fails too
[16:18] <morphis> charles: aye
[16:44] <Saviq> robru, here's my approach https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/inline-gles-quilt/+merge/290061
[16:47] <charles> well, ok then
[16:50] <Kaleo> jibel, thanks!
[17:00] <jhodapp> robru, so what's the process with britney for silo 53...it's been approved by everybody including QA, ready to land, but now qtubuntu-camera needs a rebuild because another qtubuntu-camera change landed first
[17:02] <robru> jhodapp: nothing to do with britney... You'll need to wait for the other silo to merge, rebuild qtubuntu-camera, resubmit to qa, and stop submitting conflicting silos to qa as it's a total waste of their time.
[17:03] <jhodapp> robru, well I had no way of knowing there was another qtubuntu-camera in another silo
[17:03] <jhodapp> robru, also, who's to say that I wasn't first? QA just completed theirs before my silo
[17:04] <jhodapp> robru, this process feels like it could be improved a bit is all I'm trying to say
[17:04] <robru> jhodapp: you should be coordinating this with other landers. Once upon a time the train wouldn't even allow you to have the same package in two silos, do i need to bring that back?
[17:04] <jhodapp> robru, I think a simple warning detecting the process would be useful, I don't think you need to make it mandatory
[17:05] <jhodapp> robru, I was coordinating with the owner of qtubuntu-camera
[17:06] <jhodapp> robru, that warning could be useful in these times when there's a higher potential for overlapping commits right before an OTA freezes
[17:07] <robru> jhodapp: I'm not sure what a good solution is, the thing is this is an inherent problem of vcs systems, not some train specific deficiency. You have to merge the other silo that was published first otherwise your publish will revert the other one
[17:08] <jhodapp> robru, right and that's why I think a warning or other type of way to present to someone who is creating a new request to the same project might be useful. Help them be aware of it. The main list of active silos is large and hard to read IMO so that info will be lost there.
[17:10] <robru> jhodapp: there used to be code to iterate over silos and detect conflicts and warn about them but it doesn't scale when you have so many silos, it was taking forever to run
[17:10] <jhodapp> robru, that would run when submitting a new silo request?
[17:10] <robru> jhodapp: at the time it ran during every build and added many minutes to the build process
[17:11] <jhodapp> robru, yeah, maybe it could run once on demand when someone requests a silo
[17:11] <robru> jhodapp: i think what we really need is some way to track it on the qa side, "this package cannot be qa'd again until the last one that got approved merges"
[17:12] <robru> jhodapp: that doesn't work because the set of packages in a silo isn't known at assign time. Also the concept of assignment is on the way out
[17:12] <jhodapp> robru, I don't think it has to be that heavy handed...in my case if I could simply know that there already is an existing landing request again qtubuntu-camera I'd know to go coordinate with that person
[17:13] <jhodapp> robru, ok how about run it right after assignment happens
[17:13] <robru> jhodapp: because packages can change over the life of a silo, it would need to be updated periodically
[17:13] <jhodapp> robru, that wouldn't matter how fast it is then, because how many people request a silo, get it assigned and then immediately want to land it
[17:13] <jhodapp> robru, so run it any time the package list changes
[17:14] <jhodapp> that'd be a perfect trigger
[17:14] <robru> jhodapp: please file a bug against lp:bileto and specifically mention that qa people are wasting time reviewing stuff that can't possibly land.
[17:15] <jhodapp> robru, will do man, thanks!
[17:15] <robru> You're welcome
[17:15] <jhodapp> robru, apologies if I came off annoyed to you, I was frustrated
[17:15] <robru> jhodapp: yeah sorry my first message was overly accusatory
[17:16] <jhodapp> robru, np, I'm interested in improving the process so that's why I ping you
[17:16] <robru> jhodapp: yeah there's lots of improvements to be had. I'm working on parallelizing builds now so they'll be even faster
[17:16] <jhodapp> that's awesome
[17:17] <robru> Wish I'd thought of it sooner!
[17:17] <jhodapp> incremental improvements :)
[17:17] <robru> Yep
[18:15] <jhodapp> robru, here's the bug I just filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1561673
[18:15] <jhodapp> robru, what do you think of that last paragraph idea?
[18:16] <jhodapp> robru, so basically that's a way to synchronize overlapped landings in a first-come-first-serve kind of way automatically
[18:17] <robru> jhodapp: yeah that's an interesting idea, as britney is already gating what goes to QA or not.
[18:17] <jhodapp> exactly
[18:17] <jhodapp> once the other silo has landed, then britney can be tried again
[18:17] <jhodapp> that could be automatic but doesn't have to be
[18:18] <robru> jhodapp: something to think about. britney wouldn't be able to store that state but we have a little wrapper script around britney that could do it...
[18:18] <jhodapp> oh awesome
[18:18] <jhodapp> robru, but that would at least make it impossible for two things that have the same package in it to show up on the QA board, and I'm sure they'd be happy with that
[18:30] <robru> yeah
[19:39] <camako> robru, the MP you added to silo 80, is it needed even though this is a test silo (not meant to be landed)?
[19:40] <robru> camako: yep, trust-store doesn't build right without it (the train changed, this brings trust-store up to speed with the train changes). particularly the vivid packages will be built wrong. it'll be needed in all trust-store silos until one of them eventually lands on trunk
[19:42] <camako> tvoss, ^
[19:44] <robru> camako: if you saw my 'ACTION REQUIRED' email on ubuntu-phone this week, trust-store is one of the affected packages.
[19:44] <tvoss> robru, please elaborate
[19:44] <camako> robru, ack I saw... It's just that this silo is not to land
[19:44] <robru> tvoss: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg19015.html
[19:44] <robru> camako: doesn't matter... the package won't actually build correctly without it. the SONAME in vivid will be wrong
[19:45] <camako> robru, ok gotcha
[19:45] <camako> thanks for your quick action
[19:46] <robru> camako: you're welcome. I've been monitoring the train for affected packages because it's a tricky change.
[19:51] <robru> Saviq: you need my unity8 branch in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1186 or you won't get translations updated
[20:10] <Saviq> robru, I know, that's ok, there's no translation changes there
[20:10] <Saviq> wanted to keep this silo as small as possible
[21:32] <salem_> trainguards: hi, can anybody trigger a rebuild of messaging-app/xenial/powerpc and ppc64el on silo 42?
[21:35] <robru> salem_: on it
[21:35] <salem_> robru, thanks
[21:38] <robru> salem_: you're welcome