[16:09] <jrwren> look at this quality ubuntu support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdumbnet/+bug/999778
[16:10] <jrwren> lul.
[16:10] <jrwren> 11yrs for a won't fix response.
[16:56] <jrwren> Universe is sometimes an unmaintained dumping ground of forgotten software.
[19:15] <cmaloney> At least it got "confirmed"
[19:16] <cmaloney> Although had it waited two more years it could have been confirmed like I was at St. Paul.
[22:05] <jrwren> lol


[08:02] <Trixar_za> Maaz, tell Kilos I updated it: http://trixarian.net/sakis3g.gz
[08:02] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[08:21] <Kilos> morning all
[08:22] <Kilos> ty Trixar_za  i needed it this morning. really struggled to connect today
[09:41] <Kilos> cr33p  welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:41] <Kilos> morning superfly
[09:41] <cr33p> thanks Kilos
[09:42] <cr33p> hello everyone ;3
[09:42] <Kilos> they all shopping
[10:00] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[10:00] <Kilos> hi there inetpro
[10:00] <inetpro> Kilos: shopping?  Not the latest (it's two versions behind current, but they don't work with Sakis3g)
[10:42] <Trixar_za> :P
[10:43] <Trixar_za> Anyway bbl
[10:43] <charl_> hi Kilos
[10:43] <charl_> hi Trixar_za
[10:45] <Trixar_za> Hi charl_, bye charl_ :P
[10:45] <Kilos> ty Trixar_za
[10:45] <Kilos> later
[10:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[10:52] <charl_> ciao Trixar_za
[10:52] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:52] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[10:52] <charl_> so Kilos how's the weather doing down there
[10:52] <charl_> starting to look much better up here
[10:52] <Private_User> hey charl_
[10:52] <Kilos> warm and slightly cloudy
[10:53] <Kilos> winter on its way
[10:53] <charl_> ah i see
[10:53] <charl_> hi Private_User
[10:59] <Private_User> software updates and changes happen so fast, I downloaded an application about 2 weeks ago and today found that the version has changed
[10:59] <Private_User> did not even install the previous version yet
[10:59] <Private_User> now downloading the latest version
[10:59] <Kilos> lol
[11:34] <Private_User> bbl just need to test out some new software
[12:13] <Kilos> we got no power on tuesday again
[12:13] <Kilos> more working on the lines
[12:24] <charl_> hi psydroid !
[12:24] <charl_> Kilos: bah that sucks :(
[12:25] <Kilos> yeah
[12:25] <Kilos> but i'll survive
[12:25] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[12:25] <charl_> solar power !
[12:25] <charl_> i wish solar panels were less expensive
[12:26] <Kilos> you okes dont see enough sun do you
[12:26] <psydroid> hi charl_ :)
[12:26] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[12:54] <Kilos> Maaz  seen nlthsn
[12:54] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know who nlthsn is
[12:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:54] <Kilos> Maaz  seen nlthzn
[12:54] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know who nlthzn is
[12:55] <Kilos> Maaz  seen not_found
[12:55] <Maaz> Kilos: not_found was last seen 1 day, 4 hours, 30 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-03-28 01:24:27 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-03-29 02:46:07 PDT
[13:02] <Private_User> Kilos: I think its nlsthzn
[13:02] <Private_User> Maaz: seen nlsthzn
[13:02] <Maaz> Private_User: nlsthzn was last seen 2 days, 18 hours, 47 minutes and 25 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-03-26 11:14:56 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-03-26 11:43:59 PDT
[13:02] <Kilos> ty
[13:02] <Kilos> i can never remember all of that
[13:02] <Private_User> you are welcome
[13:03] <Kilos> he loves rugger and his team is playing now but i dunno where he be
[13:04] <Private_User> watching the game perhaps?
[13:04] <Kilos> maybe
[13:36] <charl_> Kilos: in the summer we have plenty of sun
[13:36] <charl_> Kilos: this is continental europe, not england :P
[13:36] <Kilos> ah
[14:22] <Private_User> another BOT perhaps?
[14:22] <Kilos> nope
[14:23] <Private_User> ok so who is he?
[14:43] <charl_> does the bot problem still exist ?
[14:43] <charl_> hasn't that problem been solved already ?
[14:44] <Kilos> not again yet charl_
[14:44] <Kilos> freenode has them sorted it seems
[14:44] <charl_> nice
[14:44] <Kilos> one popped in and straight out yesterday i think
[14:53] <Private_User> hi charl_
[14:53] <Private_User> oh wait... did I already greet you?
[14:53] <Private_User> I forgot that I closed this IRC and re-opened it
[16:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[16:28] <Kilos> what happened your team
[16:28] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:28] <nlsthzn> when I left it was something like 31-22 >.<
[16:28] <Kilos> 34/34
[16:28] <nlsthzn> then I come home and see the score :'(
[16:29] <Kilos> eish
[16:29] <nlsthzn> sucks
[16:29] <Kilos> nother war now
[16:29] <Kilos> sharks/tahs
[16:29]  * nlsthzn watching T20
[16:31] <Kilos> ah
[16:34] <Kilos> hi captine
[16:34] <captine> hi there
[16:40] <captine> what's happening tonight
[16:42] <Kilos> watching rugby i am
[16:44] <captine> nice
[16:44] <captine> i am almost capped, so am not streaming any sports..
[16:44] <captine> lol
[16:45] <Kilos> no i watch on tv
[16:45] <Kilos> tv above pc monitor
[17:20] <captine> no tv in my house.  damaged when moving back to SA
[17:20] <captine> still need to get replacement
[17:22] <captine> am thinking i am going to try run irssi
[17:22] <captine> for fun...
[17:22] <Kilos> ai!
[17:23] <captine> anyone here use it?
[17:23] <Kilos> ya some do it was too much for me
[17:23] <Kilos> but weechat was ok
[17:24] <Kilos> charl_  you use irssi?
[17:25] <captine> brb
[17:33] <Kilos> wb
[17:33] <captine> thnx
[17:33] <Kilos> ty is easier than thnx
[17:33] <captine> this irssi is weird.  trying to see if I can keep it running overnight
[17:34] <Kilos> evening superfly
[17:53] <captine> ok.  irssi working.  will see if I can live with it for a month.
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <Kilos> why you trying that
[17:56] <Kilos> dont you like clients like xchat and konversation and quassel
[17:57] <captine> i am thinking of trying quassel
[17:57] <captine> like xchat
[17:58] <captine> but wanting something to run on vps
[17:58] <captine> to learn how... really
[17:58] <Kilos> ah
[17:58] <captine> think quassel can run as a "console" that you connect to or something like that.  heard about it on linuxactionshow
[17:58] <captine> but irssi is quicker to install
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah from cells and so on
[17:59] <Kilos> quassel-client i think you install
[17:59] <captine> nice thing with irssi is i can use putty to connect to server and boom, be in irc without work people realizing it
[17:59] <captine> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> some bouncer thing you use
[17:59] <captine> not that i would do that at work
[17:59] <Kilos> ask the fly and pro
[18:53] <Kilos> hahaha just saw on fbook
[18:53] <Kilos> sometimes i laugh so hard the tears run down my legs
[19:03] <Trixar_za> Evening Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[19:04] <Kilos> you a clever oke
[19:04] <Kilos> have you seen u3tools
[19:04] <Kilos> i think that is what its called
[19:04] <Trixar_za> No? What does it do?
[19:05] <Kilos> can delete the stupid cdrom thing on sticks but im scared to try it without someone to blame
[19:05] <Kilos> hehe
[19:05] <Kilos> i found that by chance somewhere
[19:06] <Kilos> http://u3-tool.sourceforge.net/
[19:06] <Trixar_za> Oh - like the ZTE client image
[19:06] <Kilos> now i was wondering what would happen if you delete the cdrom thing on a modem if it will then only be a modem
[19:07] <Trixar_za> ZTE modems have this generic image you can install over your default one
[19:07] <Kilos> ya and whatever is on this dlink
[19:08] <Kilos> and a e220 that has vodafone in as read only
[19:08] <Trixar_za> You can still overwrite it
[19:09] <Trixar_za> But it doesn't autorun on Linux though, so it's scope is minor
[19:10] <Kilos> ya but nm sees the thing and it dont switch
[19:10] <Kilos> so without the cdfs wont it stay switched
[19:10] <charl_> hi all
[19:10] <charl_> Kilos: yes i use irssi
[19:10] <Kilos> the zte i have cant work on windows but works here
[19:11] <charl_> zte?
[19:11] <Kilos> then install stuff is corrupt
[19:11] <Kilos> captine  there you go charl_  uses irssi
[19:11] <Trixar_za> nm tends to use an older copy of usb_modeswitch and database, so it might not be accurate unless you compile the latest by hand
[19:11] <Kilos> zte mf190
[19:11] <Trixar_za> I added basic yad support to sakis3g btw
[19:12] <Kilos> stuck with corrupt cellc satuff on
[19:12] <Kilos> what is yad support
[19:12] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[19:12] <charl_> hi psydroid
[19:13] <Trixar_za> Well, Gnome or the like interfaces (XFCE4 or LXDE_ - It has control over the desktop or environment.
[19:14] <Kilos> Trixar_za  you forget you talking to an old diesel mechanic
[19:14] <Trixar_za> Yad is just another (zenity compatible) option for generating it
[19:14] <Kilos> for generating nm
[19:15] <Kilos> modems have been my biggest prob things
[19:15] <captine> thanks.  Hi charl_ .  might bug you at some point for some help.  am using an online blog for help at the moment.  seem to have the basics working.
[19:15] <charl_> captine: sure thing
[19:15] <charl_> captine: been using irssi since like 2006
[19:17] <psydroid> hi charl_
[19:17] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[19:17] <Kilos> hows the new job psydroid
[19:17] <Kilos> you happier there
[19:18] <captine> charl_: wow.  what us your main reason?  do you spend most of your time in the terminal?
[19:18] <psydroid> Kilos, I'm much happier with it, yes
[19:19] <Kilos> great
[19:19] <psydroid> less pressure to perform and a friendlier atmosphere
[19:19] <Kilos> wonderful
[19:19] <psydroid> my colleagues are really nice
[19:19] <psydroid> yes
[19:19] <psydroid> but being so busy means that I can't be online as much as I used to
[19:20] <psydroid> I have had lots of trainings at work lately and soon they will start again
[19:25] <Kilos> thats fine man as long as you happy at work
[19:25] <Kilos> makes life a lot easier
[19:25] <charl_> captine: yes and irssi is just a good all round irc client
[19:26] <charl_> captine: it has plenty if keyboard shortcuts and is easy to use
[19:26] <charl_> captine: it's highly configurable but it works perfecly on a default install with all the basics
[19:26] <charl_> etc etc
[19:26] <charl_> psydroid: is email really outlawed?
[19:26] <captine> cool.  i will try to get into it as I like that i can just putty to my box from work and be in irc, avoiding company proxy's etc
[19:26] <charl_> how's that working out?
[19:27] <captine> should hte need arise
[19:27] <charl_> captine: have you looked at bitlbee?
[19:27] <captine> nope  what's that
[19:27] <captine> let me google
[19:27] <charl_> it's an irc to im proxy
[19:28] <charl_> i use xmpp through irssi via bitlbee
[19:28] <charl_> it even works with otr
[19:29] <captine> sounds little greek to me
[19:29] <captine> probably more than my current needs
[19:30] <charl_> lol
[19:33] <Kilos> there was another terminal client too wasnt there charl_
[19:33] <Kilos> i forget these thing
[19:33] <Kilos> s
[19:34] <Kilos> something sounds like irssi
[19:35] <psydroid> charl_, not completely but as much as possible
[19:35] <psydroid> yes, Kilos
[19:39] <Kilos> hi Wraz
[19:40] <Kilos> i go crash now
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:47] <charl_> hi Wraz
[19:47] <charl_> psydroid: interesting, you're also using lync?
[20:33] <psydroid> charl_, yes, we do
[21:01] <charl_> same at where i work
[21:01] <charl_> it seems to be getting populair now
[21:01] <charl_> i'm not sure if i like it though, it's very microsoft based and there aren't any fully compatible open source clients yet
[21:01] <charl_> bitlbee with libpurple and sipe work pretty well
[21:02] <charl_> wync is a total disaster though
[21:02] <charl_> but with sipe i couldn't get voip to work yet, it only works for presence and instant messaging
[21:27] <psydroid> yes
[21:27] <psydroid> I am not sure if I like it that much either
[21:27] <psydroid> but as long as it's for work I shouldn't care too much
[21:28] <psydroid> at home and anywhere else I use Linux anyway
[21:35] <charl_> have a good night all !


[08:03] <mup> Bug #2031614 opened: Side bar for "Import images" stays opened <MAAS:Fix Committed> <maas-ui:Fix Committed by petermakowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031614>
[08:12] <mup> Bug #2031614 changed: Side bar for "Import images" stays opened <MAAS:Fix Committed> <maas-ui:Fix Committed by petermakowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031614>
[08:27] <mup> Bug #2031614 opened: Side bar for "Import images" stays opened <MAAS:Fix Committed> <maas-ui:Fix Committed by petermakowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031614>
[17:37] <mup> Bug #2042352 opened: jammy not a valid distro <cdo-qa> <foundation-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042352>


[08:45] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Daniel Pocock: Stigmatizing volunteers who miss an event @ https://danielpocock.com/stigmatizing-volunteers-who-miss-an-event
[09:53] <Unit193> Yeah, can't trust those that don't make it to UDS! ...Oh wait.


[04:33] <mup> Bug #1676461 changed: Interface links differ from newly commissioned nodes vs recommissioned nodes with previously set interfaces <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676461>


[12:16] <guiverc> ~24 hours ago I noted a reddit post that mentioned a Xubuntu jammy install (without internet) results in NO firefox being installed.  I've not had time to test for it & raise bug report (if it's true).  I did look & saw the manifest only has *deb* package that downloads/installs snap & no snap on ISO (unlike say Lubuntu)..
[12:23] <fossfreedom> guiverc: that's probably because xubuntu seeds need to have the various snaps installed ..  at the moment just the firefox transition package is in the seeds
[12:23] <guiverc> yep my conclusion too.. (what I replied on reddit when I compared lubuntu's & xubuntu's..)
[12:32] <guiverc> thanks fossfreedom :)
 Ubuntu upgrade from 20.04.4 to 22.04 crashes - has anyone upgraded sucessfully?
 https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/f062c7bc/giphy.mp4
 The new installer is once again broken
 downloading the image for the older installer from yesterday now to test if that works
 What flavour? (re @bittin1: The new installer is once again broken)
 regular Ubuntu, the older installer image from 26th March worked tough (re @Leokolb: What flavour?)
 but todays Canary image is bork
 (I don't think bridge to IRC is working.. so re-posting)..
 ~24 hours ago I noted a reddit post that mentioned a Xubuntu jammy install (without internet) results in NO firefox being installed.  I've not had time to test for it & raise bug report (if it's true).  I did look & saw the manifest only has *deb* package that downloads/installs snap & no snap on ISO (unlike say Lubuntu)..
 was this ever a bidirectional bridge?
 i believe there was.
 (it probably needs kicked, the bridge)
 (for this channel.. but I'm in a number of rooms & maybe mis-remembering)
 I'm mentioning in case I forget, or don't have time tomorrow too... I planned to test today & file bug once confirmed (I won't trust a reddit post until I've verified it) but it's near 23:30 & I'm going to have to head to bed soon... no time today...
 Might be able to test it later today (re @guiverc: I'm mentioning in case I forget, or don't have time tomorrow too... I planned to test today & file bug once confirmed (I won't trust a reddit post until I've verified it) but it's near 23:30 & I'm going to have to head to bed soon... no time today...)
 thanks @Leokolb :) (re @Leokolb: Might be able to test it later today)
 the reddit comment is correct - i did not file a bug as i think this still in progress https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1962021 (re @guiverc: thanks @Leokolb :))
 Firefox snap @guiverc i manually installed - took 10 minutes and then all ok -
 Took a better look at the Xubuntu issue - submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1966794 -
 If anyone has time - great to get a confirm on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1966774
 i'll put some cycles at this by EOD (afgter work or if i'm bored, got stuff today first)
 (via VM)
 got an example partition layout for me to replicate?  I assume you have a separate boot partition (re @Leokolb: If anyone has time - great to get a confirm on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1966774)
 Just a simple btrfs partition / plus the efi boot partition (re @teward001: got an example partition layout for me to replicate?  I assume you have a separate boot partition)
 ok because i don't have uefi enabled i have the 8mb bios-grub partition, a /boot fat32, and now running install.  stbdy
 big tks
 confirmed and marked as such
 thanks @teward001 also good to have the BIOS as well as UEFI
 yep.  i need to back up my data sooner or later i'm getting to the point a clean install is needed >.<
 Thanks... I've seen the chatter on fixing this in the last ~hour... so thanks @Leokolb (re @Leokolb: Took a better look at the Xubuntu issue - submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1966794 -)
[22:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy Beta] (20220328.1) has been added


[23:39] <andrew> Is there a way to give a service a hostname in MAAS? Like, instead of juju-6150e5-0-lxd-0.maas something like openstack-dashboard.maas?


[12:10] <zul> heylo
[02:00] <zul> grrr...
[02:00] <zul> Missing /home/chuck/kernel/builds/kotd/build/ubuntu-2.6/debian/abi/2.6.15-8.10/i386/dbg file
[02:02] <zul> how do you disable the abi check?
[02:03] <zul> nevermind
[03:08] <BenC> debian/rules skip_abi=true build
[03:09] <BenC> gonna need something better than dbg though
[03:09] <BenC> it shouldn't be a new config target
[03:10] <BenC> it should be created out of the already done builds
[03:10] <BenC> using debian/post-install you should be able to grab the appropriate parts and create a .deb, just like linux-headers-* gets made
[03:13] <jbailey> BenC: Remember that whole "doesn't seem to be crashing on me" thing?
[03:13] <jbailey> *sigh*
[03:17] <BenC> lol
[03:35] <mgalvin> would there happen to be a short list of some new supported hardware, or should I just scrounge the package logs?
[03:37] <mgalvin> just wondering b/c i am working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2
[03:37] <Kamion> glad you told me before I sent out the release announcement ;-)
[03:38] <mgalvin> :)
[03:38] <mgalvin> its not all done yet, but almost
[03:39] <Kamion> my announcements generally just list changes affecting the installer and the live CD boot process, since those are things people can't easily pick up just by following upgrades on a normal system
[03:39] <Kamion> i.e. "why should you download this CD image rather than use your last one and upgrade" kind of things"
[03:39] <Kamion> of course a page like yours is definitely worthwhile for other reasons - glad, if surprised, to see it :)
[03:41] <mjg59> Kamion: You really should be in bed
[03:42] <Kamion> so should you
[03:42] <mgalvin> glad to write it, i thought it would be nice to provide a higher level overview of new features so people can see all the great progress being made more easily
[03:43] <Kamion> is your intent to provide a delta from Flight 1, or from Breezy?
[03:43] <Kamion> (just checking - I think the former's more valuable at the moment)
[03:43] <mjg59> Kamion: But I've just got back from a crap club, so I've got an excuse
[03:43] <mjg59> (Not drunk at all, honest)
[03:43] <mgalvin> flight 1-2 delta
[03:44] <Kamion> right
[03:44] <mgalvin> agreed
[03:47] <BenC> mgalivn: s/lowend//  s/highend/bigiron/ for server kernels
[03:47] <BenC> server and server-bigiron, but same description
[03:52] <mgalvin> BenC: done!
[04:46] <infinity> BenC : Alive, still?
[04:47] <infinity> [17179886.376000]  ata2: command error, drv_stat 0x51 host_stat 0x0
[04:47] <infinity> [17179886.380000]  ata2: command error, drv_stat 0x51 host_stat 0x0
[04:47] <infinity> [17179886.384000]  sr0: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: <6>Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 00
[04:47] <infinity> [17179886.384000]  sr: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[04:47] <infinity> [17179886.384000]      Additional sense: Focus servo failure
[04:47] <infinity> Over and over and over again.
[04:47] <infinity> (ata_piix, -8.10)
[04:48] <infinity> BenC : The disk driver seems fine, but atapi (the CD/DVD drive) is doing that as nauseum.
[04:48] <infinity> s/as/ad/
[07:15] <fabbione> BenC:
[07:15] <fabbione> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[07:15] <fabbione>   Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[07:15] <fabbione> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[07:15] <fabbione>   Connection failed
[07:16] <fabbione> are you having net access problem?
[07:16] <fabbione> i can't update the chroots on zachery
[01:16] <BenC> infinity: you are getting the 0x51 too
[01:16] <BenC> guess I need to disable ATAPI on that driver.
[01:17] <infinity> ... But wasn't I using ATAPI on it with -7.9?
[01:18] <infinity> (In fact, wasn't the LACK of ATAPI on that driver what led to me having no CD/DVD drive at all, then enabling it gave me a CD...)
[01:19] <infinity> Which worked fine, until the latest kernel upgrade.
[01:20] <fabbione> good morning Ban
[01:20] <fabbione> as soon as you show up the e3k disappear :)
[01:21] <fabbione> BenC: did it die completely or is it just the vtun?
[02:12] <BenC> died
[02:13] <BenC> infinity: I had a guy had that same error with -7.9, and upgrading to -8.10 broke it
[02:13] <BenC> fabbione: and it's below zero outside, so it will be a few minutes before I go reboot it :)
[02:13] <BenC> infinity: err, upgrading to -8.10 didn't fix it
[02:14] <BenC> infinity: are you using 2.6.15-8-686?
[02:14] <infinity> BenC : Hrm.  Well, I was fine with -7.9, only -8.10 throws the error...
[02:14] <infinity> BenC : yes, -686 in both cases.
[02:15] <BenC> infinity: if so, can you try this replacement module: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=5314
[02:15] <fabbione> BenC: eheh ok.. it was building the kernel tho :/
[02:15] <fabbione> almost at the end
[02:15] <BenC> the bu submitter tried it, but I'm not entirely certain he booted correctly with it
[02:16] <BenC> fabbione: lol, ok
[02:19] <BenC> sarcastic and belittling remarks toward me in a bug report
[02:41] <infinity> BenC : Can you bug me about testing that tomorrow?... I'm in no position to reboot anything right now, and it's bedtime to boot.
[02:42] <BenC> ok
[03:38] <zul> heylo
[03:39] <jbailey> Zooool
[03:57] <mgalvin> morning all
[03:58] <Kamion> hmm, prism54 firmware upload doesn't seem to be working
[04:01] <BenC> not working as in it says it fails, or as in it uploads, but prism54 driver doesn't work afterwords?
[04:04] <jbailey> Kamion: IIRC, Scott moved the firmware directory.
[04:04] <Kamion> prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[04:04] <Kamion> the firmware's in /lib/firmware/isl3890 so I wonder if the driver's looking in the wrong place
[04:05] <Kamion> or maybe if there's no firmware handling in udev-udeb ...
[04:05] <jbailey> The firmware mechanism always confuses me, but I think it sends a udev event asking for it to be stuffed into the right file in /sys
[04:05] <jbailey> I can fire up my laptop and upgrade it if you want me to check.
[04:05] <Kamion> ah, I think it's the latter
[04:06] <Kamion> no 80-programs.rules, and no firmware_helper
[04:06] <Kamion> ok, errata
[05:16] <fabbione> can somebody kindly tell Ben that i am abusing his sparc?..
[05:16] <fabbione> thanks :)
[05:16] <fabbione> later
[05:16] <zul> child abuser
[05:41] <mgalvin> i added a few things to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2 and it is i think mostly all set, if anyone could review it one last time that would be great, thnx
[05:44] <Kamion> just in time, too, I'm publishing the images
[05:46] <mgalvin> :)
[05:47] <mgalvin> i am also, hopefully soon, move the images from my server to doc.ubuntu.com server
[05:47] <Kamion> Perhaps it should link to ubuntu-devel-announce rather than ubuntu-announce, since the former's where the announcement is going?
[05:48] <mgalvin> thats fine
[05:48] <mgalvin> i just copied that bit from DapperReleaseNotes
[05:53] <mgalvin> so do we have support for the broadcom wifi chips?
[05:53] <Kamion> a prerelease of the driver is in but the firmware isn't
[05:54] <Kamion> I don't think it's really right to say we support it until we've come to some kind of arrangement to be able to distribute firmware
[05:54] <mgalvin> ok, just wondering, i received a few suggestions and that was one of them
[05:59] <mgalvin> Kamion: also just added a small Note (warning)
[05:59] <mgalvin> at the top
[06:12] <BenC> fabbione: your kernel build appears done
[07:47] <CataEnry> hi all
[07:55] <fabbione> BenC: yes i saw thanks.. i will wait tomorrow to upload otherwise i will kill your bw.
[07:55] <fabbione> bbl
[07:56] <BenC> you can start the upload at the meeting tonight if you want
[07:56] <BenC> that is in about 13 hours, right?
[08:05] <jbailey> Ugh.  It's the middle of the night meeting tonight, isn't it.
[08:13] <BenC> yep
[08:13] <BenC> 3am for me and you Jeff
[08:14] <zul> heh...i probably wont be there then
[08:14] <zul> unless i cant sleep
[08:15] <doko> mgalvin, Kamion: OOo2 is not 2.0.0 final, but 2.0.1 rc2
[08:16] <mgalvin> doko: ah, good catch, fixing now
[08:17] <doko> already fixed :)
[08:18] <mgalvin> :) k, cool
[08:27] <slushpupie> so are the timestamps in the kernel messages (dmesg, et. al) from a ubuntu specific patch, or where did those come from?
[08:27] <dilinger> what is this (in breezy), anyways?
[08:28] <dilinger> tmpfs                 506M   13M  494M   3% /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686-smp/volatile
[08:28] <dilinger> i assumed it was an initramfs thing, but grepping for volatile in /usr/share/initramfs-tools brings up nothing
[08:37] <BenC> jbailey: is therm_pm72 working for your G5?
[08:37] <BenC> I've loaded it on mine, and the fan is still blowing like a wind tunnel
[08:38] <BenC> dilinger: linux-restricted-modules, IIRC
[08:38] <jbailey> BenC: It's fine here.
[08:38] <BenC> dilinger: I think it has to do with boot-time linking for some GPL violating modules
[08:38] <BenC> jbailey: was there something else you had to do besides loaidng therm_72pm?
[08:38] <BenC> pm72 I mean
[08:38] <BenC> does it show anything in dmesg?
[08:39] <jbailey> Nope.
[08:39] <jbailey> I'm on the phone, lagging.
[08:41] <BenC> np
[08:41] <BenC> sucks, just booted flight2 live on my G5, and it's steady fan
[08:41] <jbailey> jbailey@starshine:~$ dmesg |grep pm72
[08:41] <jbailey> jbailey@starshine:~$
[08:41] <BenC> maybe therm_pm72 was just xserve
[08:41] <dilinger> BenC: ah
[08:42] <dilinger> thanks
[08:44] <BenC> I think I found mine
[08:44] <BenC> windfarm_pm81 or windfarm_pm91, not sure which
[08:44] <BenC> it shows therm control now in dmesg, and shows all my fans, but hasn't slowed them down any
[08:45] <BenC> windfarm, that's definitely what this sounds like in here
[08:51] <BenC> windfarm_pm91, for G5 Desktop, 81 is for iMac G5
[08:52] <BenC> so this should be working
[08:57] <BenC> jbailey: can you cat /proc/cpu and tell me what your cpu is (PowerMacX,Y string)?
[08:57] <BenC> /proc/cpuinfo
[08:57] <jbailey> motherboard     : PowerMac7,3 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
[08:58] <BenC> yeah, mines 7,2, so you and I both use therm_pm72
[08:58] <BenC> 8,1 and 9,1 are much newer I guess
[09:00] <fabbione> BenC: i won't be at the meeting.. i will be flying to another city to give a talk at that time :)
[09:00] <zul> hey fabbione
[09:00] <fabbione> hi zul
[09:00] <BenC> fabbione: how much longer till you leave?
[09:00] <fabbione> i will leave in 11 hours
[09:00] <fabbione> + or -
[09:00] <BenC> ok, start the upload when you leave, and it should be good
[09:01] <fabbione> sure.. no problem..
[09:06] <fabbione> BenC: let's do it even simpler.. all the kernel is in /org/chroots/uploadqueue/
[09:06] <fabbione> before you go to sleep just scp it to chinstrap in your home
[09:07] <fabbione> i will sign the changes and upload to jackass when i wake up
[09:07] <fabbione> so it won't bother anybody at all
[09:19] <juliux> hi all
[09:20] <juliux> i have a hp nx6110, with the live cd i can use the vga out, but if i try to use it with my installed breezy i get this kernel error: localhost kernel: [4297060.659000]  video bus notify
[09:20] <juliux> what can i do?
[09:21] <zul> check google or check in #ubuntu
[09:22] <juliux> zul, in #ubuntu nobody knows and google hits are all on kernel packages
[09:22] <juliux> so i ask here
[09:25] <BenC> fabbione: ok
[09:31] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[09:35] <BenC> juliux: the "video bus notify" comes from acpi, try disabling acpi (noacpi or acpi=off, can't remember)
[09:35] <juliux> BenC, ok thanks
[09:35] <juliux> i will test it
[09:40] <zul> BenC: can you do a pull from me later tonight i have one of two patches in my stable queue for you
[09:40] <BenC> ok, thanks
[09:41] <zul> i just have have to update the changelog
[09:47] <juliux> BenC, with acpi=off it works but then supsend don't work, is this a kernel bug or acpi bug?
[09:47] <BenC> probably hw bug
[09:47] <juliux> shit
[09:48] <BenC> check for newer BIOS, or for an alternate DSDT
[09:48] <juliux> i think that a hp nx6110 works perfect
[09:48] <juliux> but no i have allready trouble
[09:48] <juliux> ok thank you for your help
[09:48] <BenC> sure thing
[10:44] <fs> I get an error updating my ubuntu-2.6 git
[10:44] <fs> rsync: link_stat "/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git/refs/heads/upstream" (in pub) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[10:45] <fabbione> fs: sucks to be you :P
[10:45] <fs> heh
[10:46] <fs> well, I am not really used at using git
[10:46] <fs> I run git pull on my tree
[10:46] <fabbione> there is a git version around that's borked heavly
[10:46] <fabbione> try a full clone of death
[10:46] <fabbione> or upgrade git
[10:47] <fs> latest debian sid version
[10:47] <fabbione> would that be j or l?
[10:47] <fs>  0.99.9k
[10:47] <fs> hehe
[10:47] <fabbione> it's the broken one
[10:48] <fs> wonderful
[10:48] <fabbione> fs: suggestion... grab git from kernel.org :)
[10:48] <fabbione> and use that one
[10:48] <fs> well
[10:48] <fs> I guess I'll do that
[10:49] <fs> thanks anyway =)
[10:49] <fabbione> no problem
[10:50] <fs> btw, remember the never ending story I had at work with GFS and the borked storages?
[10:51] <fs> looks like the suppplier finally managed to get them configured correctly, they don't reset on too much io-wait anymore now
[10:51] <fs> this has been an issue since april
[10:52] <fabbione> ah
[10:52] <fabbione> so it was hw
[10:52] <fabbione> nice to know
[10:53] <fabbione> i am off to bed
[10:53] <fabbione> cya tomorrow or friday
[10:55] <jbailey> fabbione: Not at the meeting tonight?
[10:55] <fabbione> jbailey: it's tomorrow morning for me
[10:55] <jbailey> Bastard. =)
[10:55] <fabbione> and no i won't be there
[10:55] <fabbione> it was 3am last time for me :)
[10:55] <fs> n8 fabbione
[10:55] <fabbione> jbailey: i am going to give an Ubuntu talk tomorrow on the other side of DK
[10:55] <fabbione> i will miss the meeting by 20 minutes or so
[10:56] <jbailey> Excuses, excuses.
[10:56] <fabbione> eh no
[10:56] <fabbione> i have been telling since 2 weeks ago :)
[10:56] <fabbione> jbailey: and it's at 9am for me :)
[10:56] <fabbione> i already gave blood at 3am last time
[11:02] <AcidPils> hi
[11:02] <AcidPils> stupid acx :(
[11:03] <AcidPils> association FAILED: peer sent response code 10 (Cannot support all requested capabilities in Capability Information field) <-- any ideas?
[11:36] <mjg59> BenC: Hi


[08:54] <bambee> morning
[12:36] <ScottK> Good morning bambee.
[12:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: Did you give up on -runtime?
[12:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: rbelem is doing that
[12:36] <ScottK> Beta freeze is tomorrow, so now is a REALLY good time.
[12:36] <ScottK> Right, but you are helping him.
[12:37] <ScottK> Also was it you that was going to test k3b?
[12:37] <Quintasan> Well, I looked at what he did and it was fairly good however he was supposed to push something more
[12:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: I can't remember volunteering for that
[12:38] <ScottK> Just searched the backscroll.  It was yofel.
[12:38] <ScottK> yofel: How's k3b?
[12:38] <Quintasan> Also, I need to fix workspace :S
[12:38] <ScottK> cjwatson would like to know if his patch worked.
[12:39] <Quintasan> yofel: MoDaX told me to use dh_shlibdeps -L
[13:25] <bambee> Can someone push touchegg in archives please ? the beta freeze is tomorrow...
[13:37] <Quintasan> bambee: I'd ask ScottK
[13:37] <bambee> ScottK: ping
[13:37] <bambee> Could you upload touchegg please? thanks in advance
[13:37] <bambee> :)
[13:37] <Quintasan> rbelem: PINGO
[13:38] <ScottK> bambee: I can accept it, but you want some other MOTU to upload it so I can do that.  If I upload, I can't accept.
[13:38] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^
[13:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: Put you admin hat on
[13:38] <ScottK> Quintasan: Is it uploaded already?
[13:38] <Quintasan> Will be within 3 minutes
[13:39] <bambee> I need at least 2 motu
[13:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'll need your hat for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/831673 as welll
[13:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: touchegg uploaded
[13:46] <bambee> Quintasan: my hero <3
[13:46] <bambee> :D
[13:49] <ScottK> bambee: I'll have a look in a bit.
[13:55] <yofel> ScottK: sorry, nowhere. I forgot my desktop was on natty and I need that one working and I can't find the optical drive of my thinkpad currently :/
[13:58] <Quintasan> yofel: What needs to be tested?
[13:59] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671830/
[14:00] <Quintasan> We need to test whether it builds or works?
[14:00] <Quintasan> or both?
[14:01] <yofel> both
[14:01] <Quintasan> I see. If I manage to get workspace done then I'll do it
[14:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, pong
[14:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: How's runtime? I think you said you had to push something else
[14:02] <ScottK> yofel: You could do it using a live CD.
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is almost ready
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is already building twice
[14:03] <Quintasan> rbelem: Great, let me know if you need help, review or both
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, just need to adjust the .install files and the debian/control
[14:04] <Quintasan> prepend them with debian/build-whatever-younamedit
[14:04] <rbelem> Quintasan, i could not finish these days because my son is sick
[14:04] <rbelem> Quintasan, and i spend me free time take care of him
[14:05] <Quintasan> rbelem: I would prefer you informed me about it so I could do it :P
[14:05] <rbelem> Quintasan, sorry :-(
[14:05] <Quintasan> rbelem: Next time take care of your son longer instead of doing packaging :O
[14:05] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-D
[14:06] <ScottK> bambee: Can you talk to upstream about not including .svn dirs in their next release.
[14:06] <rbelem> Quintasan, what i already have is in bzr
[14:07] <rbelem> Quintasan, do you have free time to take a look on that?
[14:07] <bambee> ScottK: sure
[14:07] <Quintasan> Right now? Nope. Later? Yes.
[14:07] <ScottK> bambee: Also license headers in the code.
[14:08] <bambee> ScottK: what is/are the package(s) ?
[14:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will have time to finish that in about three hours
[14:08] <ScottK> bambee: ls -a * and then look at .svn.
[14:08] <ScottK> rbelem: Great.
[14:09] <Quintasan> rbelem: Oh I see. I'll hurry up with the books then
[14:10] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-)
[14:13] <ScottK> bambee: Touchegg source accepted.
[14:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: What did you need?
[14:15] <yofel> ScottK: true, maybe I'll do that if I have a digikam package done in time since _Groo_ never finished that
[14:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: nvm, gotta get to know how it works in the first place
[14:15] <ScottK> OK.
[14:17] <bambee> ScottK: thanks!
[14:18] <ScottK> bambee: Thank you!
[14:18] <shadeslayer> \o
[14:25] <bambee> ScottK: sorry but none of these packages http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/ have a .svn here...
[14:25] <ScottK> bambee: touchegg does.
[14:25] <bambee> ah
[14:25] <ScottK> ls -a in your touchegg source.
[14:25] <bambee> you was talking about touchegg :D
[14:25] <ScottK> I was.
[14:25] <bambee> xD
[14:25] <ScottK> Sorry for the confusion.
[14:26]  * bambee drinks another coffee
[14:26] <bambee> np
[14:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:45] <_Groo_> anyone awake?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ssup
[14:49] <yofel> hm, digikam packaging is fun - they ship the headers in the main binary package o.O
[14:49] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: not much
[14:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: they do what
[14:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: install digikam and run dpkg -L
[14:51]  * shadeslayer installs
[14:55] <yofel> well, digikam2 doesn't install any headers anymore it seems
[14:56] <shadeslayer> huh, thats all sorts of weird
[14:56] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:57] <Quintasan> Y U TAKE SO LONG TO BUILD GLES
[15:19] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah it doesnt :)
[15:20] <Quintasan> Hmm, that worked yofel
[15:20] <Quintasan> I think
[15:20] <yofel> yay
[15:21]  * Quintasan uploads
[15:22] <Quintasan> I wonder if VBOX talks gles
[15:22] <Quintasan> it does?
[15:22] <Quintasan> wtf
[15:22] <tazz> yofel: are you using google+ ?
[15:22] <yofel> no
[15:23] <Quintasan> IT'S ALIVE
[15:23]  * Quintasan orders party for everyone
[15:23] <Quintasan> kubotu: order party for everyone
[15:23]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get party for everyone - might take some time.
[15:23]  * kubotu is back and slides party down the bar to everyone
[15:23] <Quintasan> :O
[15:23] <Quintasan> one-eye-rick has gles now officially
[15:24]  * Quintasan does "I did it!"
[15:27] <Quintasan> :P
[15:28] <yofel> lol
[15:28] <_Groo_> nah he looks like a grown dwarf from disneyland
[15:28] <_Groo_> or a big smurf...
[15:28] <Quintasan> lol
[15:28] <yofel> ...
[15:28] <_Groo_> let me put a blue alpha layer to see what comes out :D
[15:28] <_Groo_> yofel: it was a compliment :D
[15:28] <yofel> :P
[15:28] <Quintasan> Nah, you didn't see people roleplaying as dwarves
[15:29] <_Groo_> yofel: it means you look... .. hum.... hmmmmmmm...
[15:29] <_Groo_> yofel: nice? oO
[15:29] <Quintasan> like, braid on beard
[15:30] <yofel> I looked friendlier with my cap on :P https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113125189443372384611/albums/5643327620208523937/5643332985083264626
[15:30] <Quintasan> http://krasnoludy.e-gate.pl/image/kubasa/dwarf-runelord.jpg
[15:30] <Quintasan> That's how a dwarf look like
[15:30] <_Groo_> yofel: you look like frodo with a beard lololol
[15:30] <yofel> _Groo_: I think I'm a tad larger than frodo :P
[15:31] <_Groo_> yofel: matters of scale :D
[15:31] <Quintasan> yofel doesn't has a bigass axe and some sort standard
[15:31] <Quintasan> yofel: Is that beer you are holding?
[15:32] <yofel> yeah, that was the preregistration party at c-base
[15:32] <Quintasan> yofel++ for holding beer
[15:32] <Quintasan> That should be a requirement for taking any photos there
[15:32] <Quintasan> "photo must contain beer somewhere"
[15:33] <_Groo_> Quintasan: beer in belly counts?
[15:33] <tazz> Quintasan: i had to take yofel's cap off of his head for that photo.
[15:33] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Nope.
[15:33] <tazz> i bet yofel is wearing his cap right now.
[15:33] <tazz> :P
[15:33] <yofel> tazz: nope, I don't wear it at home - but it's with me as soon as I leave the door :P
[15:34] <Quintasan> _Groo_: If the photo depicts someone in the process of drinking the beer then bonus points
[15:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ah ok
[15:34]  * Quintasan goes back to sorting books
[15:34] <tazz> Quintasan: you mean like this https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113125189443372384611/albums/5643327620208523937/5643330664852790850
[15:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: what gives more points, holding beer + girl or beer + gadget?
[15:34] <Quintasan> It's hard to decide but if you have both then you get over 9000 points
[15:35] <_Groo_> tazz: ahah nice
[15:35] <Quintasan> tazz: Exactly.
[15:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: you are not a true nerd! the gadget ofc!
[15:35] <Quintasan> You can't possibly go wrong with girl AND a gadget!
[15:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: nerds think that if you have gadgets(n+1) you eventually get the girls
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: a girl will NEVER get near a nerd.. not sober .. and even worse drunk
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: thats what restraining orders are for!
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: also known as "ME space"
[15:36] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Oneiric now has kwin-gles package which works!
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: will it have any advantage over normal OPENGL for desktops?
[15:37] <Quintasan> Ask mgraesslin as I'm not well-versed enough in the GL department
[15:37] <Quintasan> Nuff' said.
[15:37]  * Quintasan goes back to sorting
[15:37] <maco> _Groo_, Quintasan: uhh....what?
[15:40] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: cool - I will probably try a live cd :-)
[15:41] <mgraesslin> _Groo_: in general better drivers, a little bit faster thanks to no GLX
[15:41] <mgraesslin> but also a few glitches with blur, logout effect not working...
[15:41] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: hmmm ok,  tks...
[15:42] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: its mostly a big help for mobile for now :)
[15:42] <mgraesslin> oh and GLES is the future
[15:42] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: but will be default in 4.8 right?
[15:42] <mgraesslin> also for Desktop - keyword Wayland
[15:42] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: yes yes :)
[15:42] <mgraesslin> cannot become the default as long as there is the NVIDIA blob around
[15:42] <mgraesslin> but 4.8 will hopefully get runtime detection (we are close, very close)
[15:46] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: oh oh.. i have nvidia blob :P
[15:47] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: and it works quite nicely with opengl + kwin.. its rock solid...
[15:47] <mgraesslin> you want a bug list for NVIDIA?
[15:48] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: I just want to know how long it is :P
[15:48] <yofel> nvidia doesn't usually fall apart at some random moment
[15:48] <yofel> not that I don't have any issues with it
[15:50] <mgraesslin> yeah like freezing kernel when resizing konsole...
[15:50] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you manage to subscribe to TouchPad restock infolist?
[15:50] <_Groo_> anyone knows whats going on with LP 64 bits builds?
[15:51] <yofel> _Groo_: what's wrong?
[15:51] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Probably prebeta rebuild
[15:51] <_Groo_> did apachelogger sold all 64bits servers for booze again?
[15:51] <Quintasan> yofel: queue is like 15h+
[15:51] <Quintasan> :P
[15:51] <yofel> only? :P
[15:51] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ahhh that might explain :)
[15:51] <apachelogger> the empire's CI farm is faster than that
[15:54] <Quintasan> rbelem: I'll be back around 18 UTC
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan oh yeah, they fixed the reminder email link
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[16:32] <ScottK> bambee: Why does the touchegg desktop start with #!/usr/bin/env xdg-open?
[16:33] <ScottK> bambee: I can accept the binaries, but I think that needs to be fixed.
[16:34] <bambee> woo! good catch
[16:34] <bambee> fixing
[16:36] <ScottK> bambee: Lintian run on the binaries will catch that.
[16:37] <ScottK> Accepted, so you can fix that in ubuntu2.
[16:37] <bambee> sure
[16:37] <bambee> usually, I try to pay attention to lintian...
[16:46] <ScottK> You probably just ran it against the source (.dsc)
[16:58] <bambee> ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg
[17:03] <ScottK> bambee: Usually we just use REVU for new packages, but I'll have a look.
[17:04] <ScottK> bambee: Did you report this bug upstream?
[17:06] <ScottK> bambee: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[17:17] <bambee> ScottK: reported on upstream
[17:17] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[17:18] <bambee> I've uploaded to revu because it's useful platform to review packages which goes to archives :)
[17:18] <bambee> BUT
[17:18] <bambee> it's noted
[17:18] <bambee> s/goes/go/
[17:18] <kubotu> bambee: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:27] <nixternal> hola
[17:27] <bambee> ScottK: once the package has been uploaded into archives, we need to update the changelog in lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/touchegg . right?
[17:28] <bambee> I mean, replace "UNRELEASED" by "oneiric"
[17:28] <bambee> ?
[17:28] <ScottK> bambee: Yes.  You can do that now that you're a member.
[17:28] <bambee> ok
[17:30] <nixternal> ScottK: do you have a write up of the newer processes in regards to packaging that I can review? I can do the packaging still, haven't lost that touch, just want to know the process/workflow as it has changed since I have been away
[17:31] <ScottK> Heya nixternal.
[17:31] <ScottK> nixternal: We were using bzr branches for the debian dirs when you went on hiatus, right?
[17:31] <nixternal> yes
[17:31] <ScottK> Then other than the location, nothing has really changed.
[17:31] <nixternal> oh, well that was easy
[17:31] <ScottK> Look at debian/control in the source for where to find them now.
[17:32] <nixternal> i am going to be busy the next few days working with a client and then i should have some free time available
[17:32] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Could you fire up the PPC box?
[17:32] <nixternal> it went up in flames
[17:32] <nixternal> :(
[17:32] <ScottK> Crap.
[17:33] <ScottK> So I guess the answer is "I already did ...:
[17:33] <nixternal> it was turned on when the room was flooded and it fried it
[17:33] <ScottK> "
[17:33] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:33] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:33] <nixternal> had no idea it was going on until i heard the cracking and popping coming from the old office space
[17:34] <nixternal> insurance gave me a whopping $50 for it :D
[17:34] <nixternal> water cooling isn't always the best :p
[17:34] <ScottK> Probably about right.
[17:36] <bambee> ScottK: do you have a documentation somewhere explaining how to put a package on the CD?
[17:37] <nixternal> ok, i will be back later tonight maybe, depending on if i pass out after doing this crap tonight :)
[17:37] <ScottK> bambee: Not really.  First step is to get a MIR approved.  Since we're past FF, you also need an FFe.
[17:38] <ScottK> bambee: There's no way to get a MIR approved before beta freeze and I'm a little reluctant to add this to the default install after beta.
[17:39] <ScottK> bambee: Would it make more sense to defer adding it to the default install for O?
[17:39] <bambee> just asking because I see "put <package> on the CD if space permits" on the blueprint
[17:40] <ScottK> Unless somebody REALLY wants it, I think that should be deferred.
[17:40] <bambee> ok
[18:47] <txwikinger> Does Kubuntu mobile work on an HP touchpad?
[18:51] <bulldog98> txwikinger: try it
[18:52] <Quintasan> brrr
[18:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can you link me to it?
[18:53] <Quintasan> rbelem: ping
[18:55] <txwikinger> bulldog98: that is not an answer!
[18:55] <Quintasan> txwikinger: I'm not sure anyone tried booting Linux on it yet
[18:55] <Quintasan> AFAIC there is $2,500 bounty on porting Android to it
[18:55] <bulldog98> txwikinger: I don’t know if anyone tested it yet. Is this answer apropriate?
[18:55] <txwikinger> Well.. there are some efforts to put Android 3.0 on it
[18:56] <txwikinger> Is there anywhere a list of devices which have been tested with Kubuntu mobile?
[18:56] <Quintasan> txwikinger: If you call $2,500 "some" effort :P
[18:56] <Quintasan> txwikinger: iMX53 board
[18:56] <Quintasan> :P
[18:57] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntu. com/ARM/iMX53QuickStartBoard
[18:57] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/iMX53QuickStartBoard
[18:57] <Quintasan> clickable
[18:57] <txwikinger> hmm.. I have an arm dev board at home.. maybe I should try it there
[18:58] <txwikinger> Not sure if it is a iMX53 though
[19:27] <ScottK> There's a MX kernel in Oneiric, so that'd be a start.
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: same link, hold on
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html
[19:42] <eMyller> i just installed something from neon, but everything goes into /opt
[19:42] <eMyller> to where could i symlink stuff so things will appear at menus and stuff?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> eMyller: you login into neon and then compile whatever you want
[19:43] <shadeslayer> and it should appear in the menus
[19:43] <shadeslayer> eMyller: also, #project-neon
[19:44] <eMyller> shadeslayer: i installed from the ppa
[19:44] <eMyller> oh, ty
[20:25] <rbelem> Quintasan, i'm still busy :-/
[20:25] <Quintasan> No probs. I'll look over at what you have in some time
[20:26] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will ping you when i'm back home
[21:04]  * yofel uploaded a digikam2 package to ninjas
[21:21] <Quintasan> yofel: Brilliant!
[21:22]  * Quintasan waits for rbelem to nail down runtime
[21:22] <yofel> well, it's missing gphoto2 support unless someone figures out how to fix the build
[21:23] <Quintasan> yofel: Are we losing much due to missing support on this?
[21:23] <Quintasan> for*
[21:27] <yofel> well, not sure actually since I don't know what features it provides
[21:27] <yofel> although with 2.0 geolocation works again, so we fix one feature and loose another
[21:36] <yofel> the package needs a translations recheck though
[21:37] <yofel> it has "export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-graphics_digikam" but it ships the translations for kipi-plugins too
[21:37] <yofel> and I'm clueless how our translation mangling works
[21:37] <Quintasan> I'm not actually sure it works at all
[21:37] <Quintasan> :P
[22:20] <Quintasan> GRRRR
[22:20]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[23:42]  * JontheEchidna is now gles'ing on the desktop
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> brb


[08:21] <isomari> nacc: Greetings, thanks for yesterday. Everything is ok now. One last question. TO keep up to date should I regularly "apt update; apt upgrade" or "apt update ; apt dist-upgrade"?
[08:31] <guiverc> isomari, I'd suggest dist-upgrade/full-upgrade  (it gets all upgrade does, & others upgrade will ignore), but note: dist-upgrade is really for apt-get, full-upgrade is the apt equivalent (but it treats dist-upgrade as if full-upgrade was given)
[08:32] <guiverc> "full-upgrade   full-upgrade performs the function of upgrade but may also remove  installed packages if that is required in order to resolve a package conflict."
[08:36] <isomari> guiverc: thanks. SO I can do this daily?
[08:37] <isomari> BTW, I'm on disco.
[08:37] <guiverc> yep.  my fingers know dist-upgrade; so i use that.. and do it a couple of times a day (due to this being a development release; ie. loads of changes)
[08:37] <guiverc> though they've been slowing (updates) as it gets closer to release...
[08:37] <isomari> guiverc: thanks
[08:41] <isomari> guiverc: one last thing. WHen the final release comes out, will the full-upgrade/dist-upgrade work?
[08:42] <guiverc> yep, you'll be using 19.04 (same as you are no)  nothing will change (you'll have to update to 20.04 before it EOLs is all, same as everyone)
[08:42] <guiverc> sorry I meant to type 19.10 not 20.04
[08:42] <isomari> guiverc: understood. thanks again.
[08:43] <guiverc> no/now... ^
[09:03] <Peppep> I've been running 19.04 for a couple of weeks, but want to do a clean re-install (not for any 19.04 related issues).
[09:03] <Peppep> Would there be any advantage of waiting two days for the beta? I assume that the current daily build is almost identical to the beta?
[09:24] <guiverc> Peppep, if you look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/398 ; it shows the 'beta' already available  (though I believe it points to the normal daily... and it'll be identical other than being a specific day (daily updates daily)
[09:30] <Peppep> guiverc: Great, thanks
[15:58] <erle-> Has «Switch User» been removed from Gnome?
[16:00] <lordcirth> erle-, not that I know of. Do you not see it on the lock screen?
[16:17] <erle-> lordcirth, now it shows
[16:17] <erle-> maybe it depends on Xorg vs Wayland
[21:56] <qwebirc24999> Hello. I am unable to use iscsi in initramfs properly - specifically, the internet connection is not established. This bug I am having since 18.10. It all works in 18.04.
[21:56] <qwebirc24999> How do I fix it?
[21:59] <qwebirc24999> so what I did was install open-iscsi, then echo "iscsi" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, echo "ISCSI_AUTO=true" > /etc/iscsi/iscsi.initramfs and update-initramfs -u. To see if it all works, I made a keyscript with curl example.com and disabled quiet splash. In 18.10 (and 19.04) connection details do not appear like in 18.04 (signaling that there is an issue) and example.com cannot be resolved then. How do I fix this issue?
[22:07] <tomreyn> qwebirc24999: if you can also reproduce it on 18.10 (a supported release), I recommend you also ask in #ubuntu-server
[22:08] <qwebirc24999> will do, thanks
[23:47] <qwebirc24999> folks, why is it that on dhcp setup in initramfs I get a line 8 error <IP_ADDRESS> not found? My line 8 is IPV4DNS0=<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> [ISP DNS]


[07:58] <amar> I have installed Jaunty Beta .. Suggest a nice and stable Download Manager with resume download support.. in vista I was using FDM ...
[08:01] <Mamarok> amar: support for Jaunty is in #ubuntu+1
[08:02] <amar> ok
[13:56] <eddie1> helo kan enege  iemand my help


[12:21] <kryptoem> Hi everyone :) glad to hear the improvements around 5.8
[15:57] <luna_> Any way to test the 5.8 kernel in Ubuntu yet?
[16:01] <tjaalton> mainline builds as usual
[16:13] <luna_> tjaalton: ah any idea when the update pos up in the 20.10 Daily images?
[16:13] <luna_>  / updates
[16:23] <tjaalton> it's in proposed
[16:23] <luna_> tjaalton: ah alright cool :)


[00:01] <MatBoy> does someone know how to get egroupware 1.4.004 into Ubuntu server ? Server is still loaded with 1.2 :
[08:56] <LMJ> hello the chan
[16:32] <AnRkey> i need to move my server to a new box. The server has 3 drives in a raid 5 software setup. The old server is a core2 duo and the new server is an amd 3400+. Can I just take the old drives and shove them in to the new box and boot up?
[16:32] <AnRkey> running 7.10 on the box
[16:32] <ivoks> if this is software raid, yes
[16:32] <nandersson> anybody that knows of any guideline/best practice how to package a java-app? I.e where to put classfiles and the executables?
[16:32] <ivoks> did anyone expirience problems with solaris and ubuntu 8.04?
[16:39] <ivoks> this is really strange
[16:40] <ivoks> i can't wget/scp/ftp file bigger than 40kbytes from solaris to newer versions of ubuntu or debian or redhat
[16:40] <ivoks> but it works with older version of ubuntu, other solaris and probably windows
[16:58] <AnRkey> ivoks, gonna give it a try
[16:59] <AnRkey> ivoks, will i have problems with the switch from intel dual core to amd single core?
[16:59] <ivoks> you shouldn't
[17:00] <AnRkey> ok cool
[17:00] <AnRkey> thanks
[17:00] <AnRkey> ivoks, do the drives have to be plugged in in a certain order?
[17:00] <ivoks> no
[17:00] <AnRkey> ok cool
[17:00] <AnRkey> thanks again
[17:01] <AnRkey> i have to shut down now to do the move
[17:01] <AnRkey> later
[18:09] <ScottK> leonel and sommer: Getting an MIR done for clamav/spamassassin?  I'm around now to answer questions.  I won't be past about two hours.
[19:29] <sommer> ScottK: still around?
[19:32] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:32] <ScottK> sommer: ^^
[19:33] <sommer> ScottK: working on mail-spf-perl, and wasn't sure about the daemon question
[19:33] <sommer> it does actually supply a daemon spfd, but there's no start script
[19:34] <sommer> just wanted to double check that the answer should be "yes"
[19:34] <ScottK> OK.  If there no init in the spf-tools binary?
[19:34] <ScottK> If/is
[19:35] <sommer> nope, no init
[19:36] <ScottK> Then I'd answer yes, but there is no provided init.
[19:36] <ScottK> sommer: Which binary package is that in?
[19:36] <sommer> cool, will do
[19:36] <sommer> spf-tools-perl (/usr/sbin/spfd)
[19:37] <ScottK> OK.  We don't need spf-tools-perl promoted, so you should say in the MIR that binary should stay in Universe.
[19:37] <ScottK> We want to promote source + only the needed binaries.
[19:38] <sommer> okay, will do
[19:38] <sommer> I'd think spamassassin would only need libspf-mail-perl
[19:40] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:59] <ScottK> sommer: I'm taking off now.  FYI, I know the upstream/Debian maintainer for mail-spf-perl.
[20:01] <sommer> ScottK: cool, getting close... looking at debian policy compliance, and from what I've read of the policy it's good :)
[21:25] <gringo> ehlo@all, this is my first time setting up a mailserver, I've been working on this for several days now and went through several howtos, basically I got everything setup -> postfix combined with dovecot(maildir|ssl/tls) however, now I am stuck on getting sasl setup so I can actually send mails through evolution. I realyl hope someone can help me here, because the users in #ubuntu.de remain clueless or don't want to talk...
[21:27] <gringo> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/380172/
[21:29] <sommer> gringo: you might try the serverguide: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[21:29] <sommer> gringo: it details configuring postfix with dovecot-sasl
[21:31] <sommer> gringo: also you might double check permissions on private/auth... from the log output you posted that may be an issue
[21:31] <gringo> well, the file auth does not exist at all...
[21:31] <gringo> in that dir
[21:32] <sommer> gringo: that'd probably be the problem :)
[21:32] <gringo> and I didn't wanan do some noobish stupid things and mess around in the spool dir
[21:32] <gringo> can I just go ahead and create it?
[21:33] <sommer> gringo: see https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html Configuring SASL section
[21:34] <sommer> gringo: and also the smtp-auth sasl postfix configs above that section
[21:35] <sommer> basically postfix needs to be able to access a sasl daemon/socket thingy
[21:35] <sommer> postfix supports cyrus sasl and dovecot-sasl... dovecot is somewhat easier to setup IMHO
[21:38] <nandersson> note: I wouldn't recommend self signed certs in a MTA
[21:38] <nandersson> I've run into some nasty problems. Some MTA's just directed my mail to /dev/null
[21:40] <gringo> nandersson, that is just while I'm setting things up... I'll get myself a true cert as soon as things are stable
[21:40] <nandersson> Everything sorted out just fine when I bought a SSL from a trusted CA. But it's important that the cert corresponds to the hostname when you do a reverse lookup
[21:40] <nandersson> gringo, I bought from RapidSSL
[21:41] <nandersson> i.e you don't want to buy a cert for mail.domain.com if it's a CNAME record
[21:57] <gringo> sommer, followed setp-by-step through the guide and still get http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/380175/
[21:59] <sommer> gringo: you've configured dovecot ?
[21:59] <gringo> yes
[21:59] <sommer> and restarted it?
[22:00] <gringo> dovecot -n -> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/380176/
[22:00] <gringo> yes I did restart the whole thing
[22:01] <gringo> fetching mails with evolution works just fine... it's just the sending part something in smtp soewhere
[22:01] <sommer> gringo: looks like you didn't change the path option in the socket listen directive: path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth-client
[22:01] <sommer> postfix runs in a chroot, which means the sasl path needs to be adjusted
[22:02] <gringo> but auth-client does not exist in /var/spool/postfix/private/
[22:03] <sommer> gringo: right if you configure dovecot to use it and restart dovecot it should create it
[22:03] <gringo> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/380177/
[22:04] <gringo> I pasted my dovecot.conf, I resarted it and auth-client isn't loaded... what could be going wrong?
[22:05] <sommer> gringo: make your dovecot.conf look like this http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/380178/
[22:05] <sommer> gringo: you have: path: /var/run/dovecot/auth-client
[22:05] <sommer> postfix can't access that directory
[22:05] <sommer> it needs to be path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth-client
[22:06] <gringo> I love you man
[22:06] <sommer> heh, does that mean it worked?
[22:06] <gringo> I'm serious you're my personal 1 minute super hero
[22:06] <gringo> it worked
[22:07] <sommer> gringo: party!
[22:07] <gringo> finally... so the users in #ubuntu.de where absolutely right... mailserver noob do need an average of three days to get things running... it is my third day ^^
[22:07] <sommer> gringo: heh, it's all about experience
[22:08] <gringo> I am so happy... so now why did it not ask me for a password? that does not sound good...? spam...
[22:08] <sommer> you probably configured it in your mail client
[22:08] <sommer> or your mail client is defaulting to the password you used for pop, imap, etc
[22:09] <gringo> hm... possible...
[22:09] <gringo> is there a way to flush passwords in evolution? they are set to don't remember
[22:10] <sommer> gringo: not sure, don't use evolution myself
[23:07] <gringo> ok now: I sent the first email via smtp with evolution to myself... the secon over gmx webmail... both never arrived in my inbox, why? http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/380182/


[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[10:36]  * popey goes afk for a bit
[13:50] <dholbach> popey, https://imgur.com/a/trHfS - nice! :)
[13:52] <popey> :)
[13:54] <dholbach> do you know if the clock could get markers for the hours or something?
[13:54] <dholbach> or was that already discussed in a bug report?
[13:57] <popey> I think it has been raised in the past.
[13:57] <popey> you can also just tap it to switch to digital
[13:58] <popey> i think the design guys like the minimal look
[14:00] <dholbach> I had no idea I could tap-to-digital
[16:07] <dholbach> all right - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow :)
[16:07] <dpm> have a nice evening dholbach!
[16:07] <dpm> balloons, shall we?
[16:07] <balloons> dpm, indeed.
[16:07] <dholbach> you too :)
[16:08] <dholbach> see you!
[16:38] <pleia2> for whoever is doing phone things these days:
[16:38] <pleia2> 09:34:48 < mimecar> good evening, I would like register a channel related with ubuntu-phone
[16:38] <pleia2> 09:35:19 < mimecar> should I use ##ubuntu-phone-es because is not an official channel?
[16:39] <pleia2> I said it's fine to create #ubuntu-phone-es, following instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels so IRC Council has access
[16:39] <pleia2> also asked them to make sure the english-speaking community knows about it
[16:40] <pleia2> it is oh so nice to see the phone community continuing to grow :)
[16:46] <czajkowski> popey: ^^
[16:49] <popey> ya
[18:32] <balloons> oO.. I may idle in there