[03:16] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[06:09] <con6> hi there
[06:17] <con6> nobody's here?
[09:11] <Steel__> morning
[10:43] <FFEMTcJ> mornin
[10:44] <Steel__> hi FFEMTcJ
[10:45] <FFEMTcJ> hey Steel__
[10:46] <Steel__> how are you ?
[10:50] <FFEMTcJ> tired
[10:51] <FFEMTcJ> not ready to get up yet
[21:16] <Saj0577> hey all
[21:27] <FFEMTcJ> hey Saj0577
[21:30] <Saj0577> everyone going alright?
[21:30] <Saj0577> everything*
[21:31] <FFEMTcJ> yup.. keepin busy at work
[21:31] <FFEMTcJ> you?
[21:32] <Saj0577> yeah im good just got back from a suprise trip which was nice time to get back to monotomous life now tho lol
[21:32] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[21:36] <FFEMTcJ> tryin to work on my website inbetween calls
[21:37] <Saj0577> what website is this?
[21:38] <FFEMTcJ> http://chrisjohnston.org - redesigning/reworking it
[21:38] <FFEMTcJ> new design is dev.
[21:39] <Saj0577> alright cool


[00:06] <tatertots> bostongeek36: make another microSD of the same or different version(s) to rule things out
[00:10] <Fenster`> hey guys, is anyone else seeing timeouts when trying to apt-get update to azure.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:14] <Maik> Fenster`: maybe it's related to the huge worldwide internet issue that took place  and things aren't quite normal yet?
[00:15] <Maik> Fenster`: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/tech/internet-outage-cloudflare/index.html
[00:19] <bostongeek36> ubuntu 20.04 doesnt run well on 1 gb of ram
[00:19] <bostongeek36> thats what i have
[00:19] <bostongeek36> so thats the issue
[00:19] <bostongeek36> ill check out xubuntu
[00:22] <Maik> bostongeek36: told you already in the other channel that you need at least 2GB of RAM for a smooth LXDE or Xfce desktop environment. So forget about Xubuntu which uses Xfce.
[00:23] <Fenster`> thank Maik
[00:23] <Maik> yw
[00:25] <Maik> tatertots:  he doesn't want to listen that 1GB just isn't sufficient enough for Lubuntu or Xubuntu. So expect him to come back complaining Xubuntu doesn't work smooth either. :)
[00:25] <Maik> i told him that in the raspberrypi channel
[00:32] <holocron> I made some progress on the above problem with mpath and lvm by carefully crafting an LVM filter, so LVM doesn't see duplicates, but attempting to activate the volume group now is failing with "device-mapper: reload ioctl on (253:8) failed: Device or resource busy"
[00:42] <holocron> dmesg shows `[ 2345.591422] device-mapper: table: 253:8: linear: Device lookup failed` - I am not using dmraid/mdadm
[02:32] <hyisz> Hi!
[02:33] <hyisz> Is someone here?
[02:37] <Ascavasaion> hyisz: If you have a question you should just ask and wait.  If someone is able to help they will.  Chaps in here are always very helpful in my experience.
[02:39] <hyisz> Hello?
[02:39] <gry> hi hyisz :)
[02:40] <hyisz> omg finally
[02:40] <hyisz> I feel like a hacker!
[02:41] <gry> i don't know, it seems you missed Ascavasaion's response earlier. hi, welcome to ubuntu live chat. if you have a question, someone would be happy to help out. there is #ubuntu-offtopic for random chat and meeting new people
[02:42] <Ascavasaion> Gry said my name... swoon.
[02:45] <hyisz> Oh I'm sorry... I'm trying to cope with irssi and its keybindings
[02:46] <robertparkerx> can you install unrealircd with ubuntu
[02:46] <hyisz> I do have a question... I'm running ubuntu and installed lxqt and recently i3. I did purge and autoremove lxqt but I still have some apps like lxqt-about and lxqt-config
[02:46] <robertparkerx> I mean with a package manager
[02:46] <hyisz> My question is, how can I remove that?
[02:57] <robertparkerx> Nevermind
[03:28] <robertparkerx> if I create a user and switch to the user will I be in that user home directory ?
[03:32] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: Wheather a new user directory is created depends on the command you invoked to make that new user account. see: ' man adduser ' .
[03:37] <robertparkerx> Bashing-om ty
[03:38] <robertparkerx> $ sudo adduser test -- this wouldn't ?
[03:40] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: Uh Huh ^^ that will give "test" a /home :D
[03:41] <robertparkerx> Nice
[03:41] <robertparkerx> if I `su test` will I be in the home directory ?
[03:41] <robertparkerx> for test*
[03:44] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: no - that permits you to execute a command as another user than "you" .
[03:49] <robertparkerx> Bashing-om so I would have to cd /home/test
[03:50] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: Generally one reboots - and at the login screen choose the alternate user to login.
[04:04] <robertparkerx> Bashing-om it's ubuntu server
[04:07] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: then at the login terminal give the new user "name" and the related password to login as that new user.
[04:09] <robertparkerx> Bashing-om I want passwordless user because it will just run a service
[04:09] <robertparkerx> I use that with other but this one is kinda different
[04:09] <robertparkerx> It's unrealird
[04:09] <robertparkerx> with anope services
[04:11] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: Sorry, no idea there :(
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> robertparkerx: ubuntu server, you can use the #ubuntu-server channel, you know that dont you!
[04:15] <robertparkerx> no
[04:15] <robertparkerx> Sorry
[04:57] <kzimmermann> hello, I hard-rebooted my machine and now my MOC client (mocp) won't start anymore. It has the following error: "FATAL_ERROR: No valid sound driver!" but when I try alsamixer, it seems to run OK. What could possibly trigger this issue?
[05:05] <Dash|RD> Okay, so I have some questions, and hopefully you fine people can help me out.
[05:08] <Dash|RD> Anyway, I'm trying to improve my g/f's laptop by installing the latest version of Ubuntu on it.
[05:08] <Dash|RD> But the stupid thing won't boot from usb
[05:08] <Dash|RD> So I'm going the PXE NIC boot way.
[05:09] <Dash|RD> Which involved a lot of learning, and the downloading of the program serva.
[05:09] <Dash|RD> It's worked really well.
[05:09] <Dash|RD> Except the installer, when you get to the point where you choose the type of install you want.
[05:09] <Dash|RD> It freezes and locks up when I click on continue.
[05:09] <Dash|RD> Everything up to that point works awesomely.
[05:14] <Dash|RD> Okay. I'll try a different distribution.
[05:31] <bradd_> Hi. I just installed an amd video card (old card was nvidia). Now I keep getting 'NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!' in dmesg. Not really sure how to disable the old nvidia drivers
[06:44] <chikkoroll> hey yall how do i get a manual page for alist in irc
[06:45] <rud0lf> /msg alis help
[06:45] <Bustin> Hey there, have a weird issue, my laptop sound works, but is very low. I have checked with alsamixer, and all levels are max. I tested headphones, even volume on a bluetooth headset, is low, when levels are all cranked, and even "amplified over 100%"
[06:45] <chikkoroll> thanks
[06:46] <rud0lf> mp
[06:46] <rud0lf> oh sorry, my pleasure*
[06:46] <chikkoroll> oops
[06:48] <Bustin> also, anyone know of an extension for gnome, which adds support to collapse the system tray ?
[06:48] <Bustin> so many icons.
[06:50] <rud0lf> AllTray maybe?
[06:51] <Bustin> rud0lf, never heard of it, where can I find this? quick google search is inconsistent
[06:52] <Bustin> oh, gnome-look
[06:52] <Bustin> my bad.
[06:52] <rud0lf> apt install alltray should work
[07:07] <Bustin> rud0lf, alltray did not work, thanks for the suggestion.
[08:20] <ld50> is there a switch to stop casper from checksumming all files on the install iso? i'm debugging my autoinstaller and checksumming everything every time really takes time
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> ld50: ctrl + c should do the trick
[08:21] <ld50> lotuspsychje: doesn't seem to work when autoinstall is engaged
[08:21] <ld50> i tried
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> ld50: is that on server iso or so?
[08:21] <ld50> lotuspsychje: yep, server iso
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> ah right, i think i recall other users mentioning that too
[08:22] <ld50> would fsck.mode=skip help? the md5sums are not fsck, strictly speaking...
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> ld50: try in #ubuntu-server please, dont recall whats the solution for that
[08:22] <ld50> lotuspsychje: will do, thx
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[09:41] <Paddy_NI> I switched from gdm to sddm for my login greeter as the login prompt appears on a display that is not my primary display.  One of the problems I have encountered (running Ubuntu 20.04) is that I now no longer have the ability to lock the screen.  Would anyone have any solutions for this?
[09:57] <guiverc> Paddy_NI, you could try xscreensaver; lubuntu uses it to handle locking
[09:57] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, Oh that rings a bell!  Thank you I will give that a go.
[09:58] <guiverc> you cam have xscreensaver just turn off screen, ie. nothing visible
[10:10] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, I've just done that and it works really well.  It would be a bonus if it locked the screen too
[10:11] <Paddy_NI> I guess I am trying to patch together functionality that I was previously getting with GDM lol
[10:11] <Paddy_NI> It's a shame that GDM did not let you dictate which display(s) it appeared on.
[10:12] <guiverc> In my screensaver preferences I can set "lock screen after"; did you look in preferences for settings?
[10:13] <Paddy_NI> I did guiverc however it only blanks the screen. If I come back to it whilst it is blanked out and activate the mouse/keyboard etc it just goes straight back to the desktop without hesitation.
[10:14] <Paddy_NI> My only option at the moment if I want security would be to turn the pc off
[10:14] <guiverc> you don't have autologin enabled do you?
[10:14] <Paddy_NI> Never
[10:15] <Paddy_NI> If I choose to logout it just sits there displaying the sddm greeter indefinitely. I cannot imagine this being good for energy consumption or the health of a display :-/
[10:15] <guiverc> you may need to set `-lock` on initial run.. ie. autostart option that starts it, maybe this will help
[10:15] <guiverc> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XScreenSaver
[10:16] <guiverc> hold on, looking to see if my system has easy to see options..
[10:16] <Paddy_NI> I keep forgetting the arch wiki like some kind of idiot. Thank you :-)
[10:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:16] <Paddy_NI> Hey BluesKaj
[10:16] <BluesKaj> hey Paddy_NI
[10:18] <guiverc> Paddy_NI, sorry I can't use mine as example; my system was lubuntu with LXDE upgraded to now groovy, and still has LXDE crud remaining I just discovered; it's still using light-locker (another option maybe)
[10:19] <guiverc> I'd have to boot a cleaner lubuntu system to explore options, can't currently sorry Paddy_NI
[10:19] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, I have an idea that would make me happy, I just confirmed that "xscreensaver-command -lock" locks the screen and displays a password prompt (not very pretty but kinda retro) so if I was to set "super key + L" as "xscreensaver-command -lock" that would be awesome
[10:19] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, Honestly don't worry too much about it, I am just grateful for any solution
[10:19] <Paddy_NI> Thank you
[10:20] <guiverc> yeah I agree I too am no fan of how xscreensaver lock works; I'd forgotten as I guess I'm usually seeing light-locker
[10:20] <Acru> Hey, my mother is having problems with her notebook (thinkpad e485) where the network printer, an officejet pro 6800, keeps getting deactivated and has to be reactivated manually, does somebody know why this might be?
[10:21] <Paddy_NI> It won't accept "super +L" however it did accept "ctrl + alt + L"
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> Acru: wich ubuntu release was this?
[10:21] <guiverc> s/xscreensaver works/xscreensaver lock looks/ ^ sorry
[10:22] <Paddy_NI> I think I can mark this a solved for now, I just need to punch that key combo when I get up from the desk.
[10:23] <Acru> lotuspsychje: 18.04
[10:23] <Acru> and its a e585, sorry
[10:23] <Paddy_NI> It would be nice if I could customise the lock screen password prompt for xscreensaver although I really should learn when to stop and just get on with it
[10:26] <guiverc> Paddy_NI, as stated; my/this box uses light-locker; so that could be an alterantive (it'll look different)
[10:26] <Paddy_NI> I am reading up on that as we speak :-)
[10:28] <guiverc> maybe I was wrong, I just locked my screen, on login I got xscreensaver login for passwd... maybe light-locker won't help; that maybe wild goose chase
[10:28] <Paddy_NI> Does light-locker require LightDM and if so does LightDM display the login greeter on each monitor or does it let you choose which display it appears on
[10:28] <Paddy_NI> Ah
[10:28] <Paddy_NI> Cool
[10:29] <Paddy_NI> lightdm lets you specify which display it appears on according to the arch wiki
[10:31] <guiverc> Paddy_NI, I don't know, as stated; this is my primary box which was older lubuntu (lxde) upgraded to each 6 months now groovy; lxde to lxqt isn't supported b/c crud & issues can remain... so my having light-locker is likely crud; and I do have lightdm installs (I use sddm; i didn't know I had lightdm either)
[10:31] <guiverc> (sorry for wording, I'm tired)
[10:32] <Paddy_NI> Yeah no worries at all this does look to be a bit of a Rabbit hole, I shall persevere with "xscreensaver-command -lock" being mapped to "ctrl + alt + l" until these issues are addressed.
[10:32] <Paddy_NI> Thank you
[10:34] <k_sze> `do-release-upgrade -c` from bionic still shows no upgrade available. :/
[10:34] <k_sze> Anybody knows how it's coming along?
[10:35] <k_sze> The upgrade tools from bionic to focal, I mean.
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604
[10:42] <k_sze> nice. thanks!
[10:44] <h4ll0w33n> hi to all
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> Acru: did you install hplip?
[10:58] <lalitmee> Hello Guys, I updated from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 with -d tag. someone was telling me that I would need a live usb with Ubuntu 20.04 to fix the problem which I was facing. I have the live usb now but I don't know what to do to fix the things which are messed up in my ubuntu 20.04 like I can see my settings in the applications
[11:37] <Acru> lotuspsychje yes
[11:55] <hylian> I'm trying to find and save all the packages and dependencies for those packages into a folder that I have installed so I can use that to install a wifi driver without internet. someone pointed me in the direction of apt-clone, but that's useless to me because I don't want a list of installed apps, I want the apps themselves, the .deb files... anyone have an idea how to accomplish this? (not var/cache,
[11:55] <hylian> that doesn't have any of the stuff I need to accomplish my task)
[12:01] <hylian> I found a dirty solution to my problem, i'm going to use timeshift. thanks for being here... :)
[12:23] <lorenx> hello, i just logged in into my ubuntu 20.04 installation today and i see my login screen and my top bar font bigger, anyone experiencing the same?
[12:24] <lorenx> i found this but it didn't fix: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1271394/gnome-logs-in-with-display-scaling-problem
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> lorenx: its a known mutter bug they working on
[12:37] <lorenx> just happened today?
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> lorenx: bug #1892521
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> no
[12:38] <lorenx> do you know why i am seeing it today? an updated package maybe?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> lorenx: did you wait long to update?
[12:39] <lorenx> i didn't think so but maybe i did
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> lorenx: you can check that in your dpkg logs, if it recently updated mutter
[12:40] <lorenx> anyway, temporarily setting the text-scaling-factor to 1.01 and back to 1.00 fixed
[12:40] <lorenx> yeah, updated on 2020-08-30
[12:41] <lorenx> yesterday, but i rebooted today, that's why i guess
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> and you have an nvidia card?
[12:41] <lorenx> yeah, i do
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah so prob thats gonna be it, please affect yourself if you like to the bug
[12:42] <lorenx> thank you for your help
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome lorenx
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> Acru: i had some issues with a newer model of HP on 18.04, i had to download a latest hplip to get things working, maybe related to yours?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> Acru: this was my bug about it bug #1812392
[13:00] <furycd001> HI Guys. I have a Lenovo ideapad 330 with Xubuntu 18.04.05 running kernel 5.3.0-51-generic. It keeps randomly locking up & I have to hard reboot using the power button. Anyone here able to read this syslog & help me fix my problem ??
[13:00] <furycd001> Heres the syslog >> http://termbin.com/8jpo
[13:04] <mason> furycd001: That looks a bit like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104192
[13:05] <mason> not seeing that specific status
[13:06] <furycd001> @mason: thanks for the link. Looking at it now. Is there anyway I can prevent / stop these lockups from happening ??
[13:06] <mason> furycd001: I'd want to try another kernel, myself. Can you go back to the 18.04 default kernel, which is 4.15, and see if it does it there? A comparison would be great for bug reports.
[13:07] <mason> I'm guessing that 5.3 is HWE?
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> furycd001: that doesnt look like the right kernel for 18.04
[13:07] <mason> lotuspsychje: Is it HWE maybe?
[13:07] <furycd001> Booting up the laptop now to double check the kernel....
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic-HWE-18.04
[13:08] <mason> Hrm, not HWE then.
[13:08] <mason> furycd001: Either go back to the stock kernel or forward to the current HWE and see if the issue persists.
[13:09] <furycd001> How do I move the kernel forward to the most current one available ??
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> furycd001: think you need to find the rootcause of why you still got 5.3
[13:10] <mason> furycd001: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> furycd001: you still got old repos in your sources?
[13:12] <furycd001> The laptop actually belongs to my wife & she'd been having these lockups for a while but never thought to say anything. Ima gona check the reops now to see....
[13:16] <brisc> does ubuntu use insmod?
[13:16] <brisc> ubuntu 16.04.7
[13:19] <furycd001> Ok so I just looked at that link & ran the code. It says that everything is already installed & at the newest version.....
[13:19] <furycd001> Here's the output of the reops >> http://termbin.com/0ykx
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> furycd001: pastebin: dpkg --list | grep linux-image please
[13:26] <furycd001> @lotuspaycje: Here you go >> http://termbin.com/bvs6
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> furycd001: seems like you do have 5.4 thats the kernel version you should be booting right now
[13:33] <furycd001> How can I tell which one the laptop is booting from ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> uname -r
[13:36] <furycd001> @BluesKaj: Thanks :)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yw
[13:36] <furycd001> The laptop is booted & uname -r outouts 5.3.0-53-generic
[13:37] <brisc> what's the proper way to load modules in Ubuntu 16.04.7 ?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> brisc: modprobe modulename
[13:42] <BluesKaj> brisc, i just use sudo modprobe nameofmodule, but that's usually for a driver, not sure if that's "proper" or not
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> brisc: ubuntu should be loading modules on boot, if not you should investigate why the module doesnt load first
[13:52] <brisc> Module loads but i need to reload it
[13:52] <brisc> cifs not playing nice with one of our vendors
[14:05] <furycd001> Ohh I've also just noticed that whenever I turned the laptop off there, everything turned off but the power & numlock lights both stayed on & I again had to hold down the power button to turn them off....
[14:36] <neure> hi
[14:37] <neure> I am trying to install ubuntu on dell xps 7390 laptop
[14:37] <neure> right after the boot menu I get error: file '/casper/vmlinuz' not found.
[14:37] <neure> error: you need to load the kernel first.
[14:38] <neure> I think the the installer/grub might be trying to access the wrong drive
[14:39] <neure> grub> ls prints me (memdisk) (hd0) (hd0,apple2) (hd0,apple1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd1) (hd1,gpt6) (hd1,gpt5) (hd1,gpt4) (hd1,gpt3) (hd1,gp2) (hd1,gpt1)
[14:40] <neure> I wonder if the usb drive is not seen by grub for some reason?
[14:40] <daftjack> Ubuntu 18, KDE plasma. "Activity in session "Default"" keeps popping up every 5-30 seconds. I did nothing. Its been fine and suddenly started doing this an hour ago. 30 minutes spent trying to find out wtf or at least SITFU. Anyonw know how to disable this wihtout turning off all notifications?
[14:41] <daftjack> It interrupts typing, mouse movement etc. Making it nigh impossible to work. LOL
[14:41] <ledeni> neure: which iso you put on your usb and did you checksum iso
[14:42] <neure> 20.04.1 and I created it with Etcher, I believe it does checksum
[14:43] <iguest> daftjack@ You must have inadvertently pressed Shift + ctrl + I. Press it again to switch it off.
[14:43] <daftjack> Think I found it. For some reason the system just decided on its own to enable notifications about activity in a hidden session so if you tail a damn log in a tab it constantly pops this up. Fine except *I* didnt turn this on.
[14:43] <daftjack> No I pressed that on purpose for use inside an application. wow. Time to remap that.
[14:44] <daftjack> But Ive been using said app for months.
[14:44] <iguest> Mmm - Don't know what to say.
[14:46] <neure> I'll try to recreate the boot media..
[14:47] <daftjack> Looking through standard, global and custom shortcuts I dont see that configured. The only reference to "notifications" has nothing set.
[14:54] <daftjack> Ah so its an embedded shortcut inside kconsole it seems. Must have had mouse over the window. No way to apparently disable the shortcut as none are shown. Nor are they in notifications. Annoying. Have to remembe that. Thanks iquest.
[14:56] <daftjack> Oddly enmough I can enable it with the shortcut but not disable. Have to do so manually in the notifications dialog.
[15:13] <Doc-Saintly> On my Lenovo laptop where the function keys are always switched in media mode instead of F# key mode, I noticed that when I remote into the machine and press F1 on a regular keyboard (so it's really F1) it comes through on the machine as a media key still.
[15:14] <Doc-Saintly> I assume this means That somewhere in the software side it is converting the F# keys to the media functions. How would I figure out where?
[15:14] <hansh> is anyone here running Desktop Ubuntu 18.04 or 20.04? can you run > update-alternatives --get-selections | pastebinit
[15:15] <oerheks> hansh, why? i am not giving away my config.
[15:16] <hansh> oerheks, i want to know if any of those are pointing to "nautilus", and if so, what's their config name?
[15:16] <hansh> what about: update-alternatives --get-selections | grep -i nautilus | wc -l
[15:17] <oerheks> no. you try; update-alternatives --config file-manager
[15:18] <hansh> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for file-manager
[15:18] <hansh> guess that's what i get for running Xubuntu
[15:19] <hansh> (you sure it's not `x-file-manager` or something like that though?)
[15:21] <bubls> Hello! I have ran into a problem with Ubuntu 18.04. After every ~1.5 seconds there is a video lag for ~0.1-0.2 seconds (if I make circles with my mouse or watch any videos, I can see screen freeze / lag). My GPU is GTX1660, so I downgraded from 440 driver to 390 driver, I tried to sync with monitor from Nvidia settings, my kernel is 5.4.0-42-generic - any ideas on what else I could try?
[15:22] <bubls> dmesg -T and journalctl -b seem clean to me.
[15:24] <lotus|NUC> bubls: there is a recent known mutter bug in combo with nvidia, but not sure that would be related to video lags
[15:25] <bubls> Oh, okay. I was on 20.04 before and didn't see such lag there.
[15:26] <bubls> BTW, if it helps anyhow - sound is not lagging, so it's not a full system problem, more like just video. I also disabled gnome-system-monitor. . . Thinking about it, maybe I should try to switch to Unity etc?
[15:27] <oerheks>  hansh i think this command needs sudo
[15:27] <hansh> root@dev2020:/home/hans# sudo update-alternatives --config file-manager
[15:27] <hansh> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for file-manager
[15:28] <oerheks> so, you have only nautilus?
[15:28] <hansh> no, i have Thunar, Xubuntu use "Thunar" instead of "Nautilus"
[15:28] <lotus|NUC> bubls: has your nvidia driver loaded correctly? sudo lshw -C video ?
[15:29] <ioria> hansh, are you sure  you can use 'update-alternatives'  with file managers  ?
[15:29] <bubls> lotus|NUC, VGA comatible controller, NVIDIA corporation, driver=nvidia latency=0
[15:30] <hansh> ioria, no i'm not sure. i thought a good way to check was to check for references to "nautilus" from "update-alternatives --get-selections"  - but so far nobody's been willing to try it, and i don't have access to a desktop ubuntu system myself, but at least on Xubuntu there's no references there to Thunar
[15:31] <bubls> Hmm, but it seems I'm running on 435 instead, not 390
[15:31] <hansh> how can i check programmatically what the local file manager is called? (eg nautilus on Ubuntu or thunar on Xubuntu)
[15:31] <ioria> hansh, i'd try to use xdg-mime and gsettings
[15:32] <lotus|NUC> bubls: sounds good
[15:32] <bubls> hansh, are you maybe looking for 'xdg-open .' ?
[15:32] <hansh> bubls, yeah seems so, thanks
[15:33] <hansh> xdg-open does exactly what i want lol
[15:33] <hansh> does xdg-open run nautilus on Ubuntu? (it runs Thunar on Xubuntu)
[15:33] <bubls> xdg-open file OR xdg-open . on any linux should open file manager.
[15:33] <hansh> thanks
[15:34] <bubls> Wish my problems were so easy to solve as well : )
[15:34] <lotus|NUC> bubls: nothing to trace on journalctl -f in realtime?
[15:35] <bubls> lotus|NUC, Will take a look
[15:37] <lotus|NUC> bubls: you got ubuntu-restricted-extras installed? video lag on vlc or YT? or both?
[15:37] <bubls> lotus|NUC, it just keeps logging internal TDMS ... hmm | /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1543]: (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): AAA (DFP-4): Internal TMDS | and | /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1543]: (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): AAA (DFP-4): 600.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[15:37] <lotus|NUC> bubls: keeps logging as in flooding your journal?
[15:38] <bubls> lotus|NUC, restricted extras now installed, lag even on desktop (when I move my mouse). And yes, flooding journal.
[15:39] <lotus|NUC> bubls: check if its bug #1876565
[15:39] <bubls> lotus|NUC, so I should try logging off?
[15:41] <lotus|NUC> bubls: not sure, never seen this bug before
[15:42] <lotus|NUC> bubls: can you htop to see if xorg 100% cpu aswell?
[15:45] <bubls> lotus|NUC, neh, CPU is chilling.
[15:46] <lotus|NUC> bubls: did you try a user switching like on the bug?
[15:47] <bubls> lotus|NUC, not yet, I tried unplugging my second monitor - no help.
[15:50] <coconut> Since when konversation does not install the whole kdebase thing anymore?
[16:05] <leibniz[m]> How to know which app has come from which PPA?
[16:11] <lotus|NUC> leibniz[m]: apt policy packagename
[16:12] <oerheks> leibniz[m], nautilus can filter that, or apt-cache policy <package>
[16:13] <leibniz[m]> lotus|NUC thanks
[16:13] <bubls> lotus|NUC, I fixed it ... real facepalm moment here
[16:14] <lotus|NUC> bubls: what was it?
[16:14] <bubls> lotus|NUC, HDMI for one of my screens wasn't plugged in solid enough.
[16:14] <lotus|NUC> ah that explains the flood
[16:14] <lotus|NUC> good to know
[16:14] <bubls> I spent 2 days on this tho...
[16:18] <Kow> WHen will ubuntu fix the bug that was fixed in Fedora months ago? This impacts 100% of LXDE users because lxde requires pcmanfm https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1797193
[16:19] <Kow> The ubuntu bug has been open since May... no action by any ubuntu dev: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1878625
[16:19] <Kow> that should have been a critical 20.04.1 milestone bug
[16:22] <bubls> Kow, don't use lxde? (I'm not part of Ubuntu support, just random user)
[16:24] <prappl93> Kow, should that be posted to the Lubuntu dev channel instead?
[16:25] <Kow> prappl93: thanks i will post it there.  If Lubuntu team still doesn't want to fix it then it's just pure laziness.. I tied your shoe now all you need to do is stand up
[16:25] <en1gma> i have a dell laptop with hybrid graphics. intel 4th gen hd and nvidia m2200. im on ubuntu 20.04 amd64 live "Try Ubuntu". im booted up right now. 'glxgears' makes no difference when i change which card im using with 'prime-select nvidia/intel'
[16:26] <en1gma> i have tried to use "Additional Drivers" to manually pcik the nvidia 4.50 driver and it says it does
[16:27] <en1gma> i logout and log back in but it dont seem to work
[16:27] <en1gma> do i need to fully restart???
[16:28] <en1gma> i dont want to do that since im running live
[16:29] <en1gma> am i in the right channel? no one is talking?
[16:29] <bubls> en1gma, yes, you are in the right channel, what version of ubuntu?
[16:30] <en1gma> ubuntu 20.04 lts daily
[16:30] <en1gma> booting with "try ubuntu" option
[16:30] <bubls> en1gma, lshw -c video shows nvidia?
[16:32] <en1gma> 1 sec
[16:32] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/EH5M9Tpb
[16:33] <bubls> en1gma, without "shows nvidia" just lshw -c video"
[16:33] <bubls> en1gma, without "shows nvidia" just lshw -c video
[16:34] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/RRGKCCBD
[16:34] <en1gma> sorry both that
[16:36] <en1gma> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ prime-select querynvidia
[16:36] <en1gma> = nvidia
[16:37] <bubls> en1gma, hmm - seems like you have both drivers properly installed.
[16:37] <en1gma> i switch drivers in the "Additional Drivers" section and it says i am switched but the "Nvidia-Settings" opens up with no info in it
[16:38] <en1gma> do i need to restart when i switch from noeveu to nvidia binary driver? all i did was logout and login
[16:38] <bubls> en1gma, if I run glxgears I get '375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 187.974 FPS'
[16:39] <en1gma> what is your gpu?
[16:39] <bubls> en1gma, safest way would be to restart if you are running the live image from USB and it has some room to save the changes.
[16:39] <bubls> en1gma, GTX 1660
[16:39] <en1gma> i think my glxgears is capped at 60fps
[16:40] <en1gma> 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.042 FPS
[16:41] <bubls> en1gma, wait what. 375/5 = 75 - where did it get that 187? : O
[16:41] <bubls> (from my paste)
[16:41] <en1gma> :)
[16:43] <bubls> Well. en1gma software-properties-gtk - from there select nvidia drivers, then ' sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' and check that nvidia is selected, also please paste your nvidia driver version.
[16:45] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/62ZK3Z2F
[16:45] <bubls> en1gma, did you select 450 driver from gtk?
[16:46] <en1gma> where it shows in "Additional Drivers" yep. the 450 meta (recommended)
[16:46] <en1gma> why is it not showing it correct in 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices'?
[16:48] <bubls> But it is ...
[16:49] <en1gma> oh ok so when i use 'prime-select intel' or 'prime-select nvidia' glxgears is not changing the frames per second
[16:49] <en1gma> i dont think its switching
[16:49] <en1gma> my laptop has an hdmi out cable going to samsung monitor
[16:49] <en1gma> the built-in display uses intel?
[16:51] <en1gma> i wonder if i should restart with the external display disconnected
[16:51] <bubls> Aha
[16:51] <en1gma> let me reboot and come back. :)
[16:51] <en1gma> thanks
[16:52] <bubls> Well if you use nvidia as default for X screen, then it should work. I advise a restart.
[16:52] <bubls> heh. better late than never? :)
[17:12] <bubls> Well... I guess en1gma is not booting any more? : D
[17:27] <captain_proton> I have a weird problem after a reboot my user does not show up in GDM i am able to log in using other user. I search the web but nothing seem to fix it
[17:27] <ioria> captain_proton, /var/lib/AccountsService/users
[17:30] <captain_proton> ioria, thanks some how I got set as a system account
[17:31] <ioria> captain_proton, ok
[17:37] <prappl93> Well, bubls, looks like you didn't end up bricking en1gma's set up completely
[17:37] <en1gma> bubls i had to get the ubuntu 20.04.1 lts daily build. i also disconnected my external hdmi.
[17:37] <en1gma> can we continue?
[17:38] <en1gma> 'prime-select query' = nvidia
[17:39] <en1gma> 'glxgears' = 301 frame in 5 seconds = 60fps
[17:39] <bubls> Still no change in gears?
[17:39] <bubls> prappl93, bricking live image? : ) That would be something.
[17:39] <en1gma> just not sure how to complete the change from noeveu to nvidia binary without restarting
[17:40] <en1gma> do i need to logout and login? the 'nvidia-settings' is not populated with any info
[17:40] <Captain_Proton> ioria, spoke to soon change my account to false reboot and switch but to System. I was looking for a usermod command but did not see one. Can you point me in the right way?
[17:40] <en1gma> i mean i tried logging out and in and that didnt do anything
[17:42] <tatertots> en1gma: restart x or reboot
[17:42] <en1gma> how can i do that from a live enviroment
[17:42] <en1gma> "Try Ubuntu"
[17:43] <tatertots> en1gma: a live environment is read only you won't use nvidia driver on livecd/liveusb
[17:43] <en1gma> dang. i was hoping i could by logging out and in
[17:44] <en1gma> is there any pre-made images that have the nvidia binary enabled by default for live enviroment
[17:44] <en1gma> or is there a boot time command i can give?
[17:44] <Mr_Singh_> Hi, I am using ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS , Can I upgrade it to 20.04 because some latest c++ libs and compiler is missing in 18.04.4
[17:45] <tatertots> en1gma: no ..someone that didn't even have nvidia would be trying to use it
[17:46] <en1gma> is there a way i can install ubuntu to usb flash and it work correctly? i dont think a persistant will work with loading the nvidia binary
[17:48] <Mr_Singh_> anyone please
[17:49] <gildarts> Mr_Singh_: https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today
[17:50] <Mr_Singh_> gildarts : Is it safe
[17:51] <Mr_Singh_> I mean all my IDE will remains in the system or it will be deleted after up gradation
[17:52] <bubls> en1gma, what do you want to achieve? Maybe try VM?
[17:53] <gildarts> Mr_Singh_: Usually. The linked article talks about how to make backups, possible considerations. Your IDE should be fine, assuming it is updated to work on the current version etc. Can't promise it is 100% safe, but is usually fine.
[17:54] <en1gma> bulbs im trying to get opencl to work on the nvidia
[17:54] <en1gma> for fft display
[17:56] <bubls> en1gma, okay, 1) if you type 'bub' in irc and press tab it auto-completes my name 2) do you have sudo apt install ocl-icd-libopencl1 installed?
[17:58] <en1gma> bubls checking
[17:59] <en1gma> i see it but it is not installed
[18:00] <en1gma> is that for the intel chip?
[18:01] <Conradish006> Dost anybody know how to install Ubuntu without the grub bootloader?
[18:02] <Conradish006> I've tried several different ways listed on the internet, but it never seems to work
[18:03] <Conradish006> It seems to automagicaly install it no matter what I do
[18:03] <jpds> Conradish006: I think GRUB is the only supported way of loading Ubuntu
[18:04] <jpds> s
[18:04] <jpds> not there
[18:04] <Conradish006> But, I don't want to bootloader, because I run OpenCore, and then the NVMe drive that I have throws errors whenever I start up.
[18:05] <Conradish006> Which means that I have to go into the boot selecter just to boot into my main drive
[18:06] <amuro> How to install swfrender?
[18:08] <Conradish006> Would this method work? https://smarttechnicalworld.com/remove-grub-bootloader-from-windows/
[18:09] <ikonia> why not just run a standard boot process
[18:09] <ikonia> amuro: what does the documentation say
[18:10] <oerheks> Conradish006, normally we advise to boot the windows iso, and run repair.
[18:11] <oerheks> then remove ubuntu, if that is your goal
[18:11] <bubls> Oh damn, en1gma just quit again : /
[18:12] <oerheks> bubls, please keep the language in this channel family friendly, thanks
[18:13] <bubls> oerheks, sorry, didn't realize da... isn't family friendly, not my native tongue. : (
[18:16] <amuro> ikonia: what do you mean?
[18:16] <ikonia> amuro: exactly that, you're asking how to install something, that does the documentation say
[18:17] <oerheks> hint: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/eoan/en/man1/swfrender.1.html
[18:35] <Doc-Saintly> Is there a way to make it so a directory only exists if something is mounted to it? I'm having an issue with a sync application that assumes all files has been deleted because the directory is empty if it's not mounted.
[18:36] <gildarts> If the folder isn't there when it is unmounted, wouldn't the sync application assume the entire folder was deleted?
[18:37] <Doc-Saintly> gildarts, well, it's the "root" of the share, so it's smart enough to realize then that the thing it's supposed to sync doesn't exist.
[18:37] <Doc-Saintly> but if it exists but is empty, then it assumes all the files have been deleted
[18:38] <gildarts> What sync utility is it and how it is it being run? Thinking it might make sense to wrap it in a shell script to check if it is mounted before running the sync. Don't know of a way to make the folder only exist when something is mounted.
[18:39] <Doc-Saintly> gildarts, it's the Nextcloud sync client.
[18:39] <Doc-Saintly> And yea, I thought about that - but I am still nervous about accidentally launching the sync application when things aren't "all set up"
[18:39] <oerheks> simpel; don't autostart nextcloud?
[18:39] <Doc-Saintly> of course, but I'm talking about the whole human "forgetting" thing :)
[18:40] <Doc-Saintly> because even if I set up the start-up script, what about a restart? the mount point would still exist
[18:40] <Doc-Saintly> I can't guarantee that the mount point would be removed unless there's some built in thing I can't think of
[18:40] <gildarts> Make the nextcloud sync client depend on a systemd unit mounting the share?
[18:43] <ikonia> why not just put the drive in fstab
[18:43] <ikonia> or use autom ount
[18:43] <ikonia> so it's always mounted
[18:43] <ikonia> or start the sync manually if/when the drive in mounted
[18:44] <Doc-Saintly> ikonia, because it's an encrypted volume that needs a password
[18:44] <oerheks> just don't autostart that cloud thingy.. seems like a non-issue to me
[18:44] <ikonia> then why are you syncing data this way
[18:44] <ikonia> you''re using a model that depends on a file system to keep in sync, but using a system where the file system will not be there
[18:45] <gildarts> encrypted volume... nextcloud sync... that seems pointless.
[18:45] <ikonia> indeed
[18:45] <Doc-Saintly> yes... why would I want to have a local copy of all my data
[18:45] <Doc-Saintly> in case you know... I don't have internet..
[18:45] <Doc-Saintly> .and why would I want to encrypt all my of my data sitting on a portable drive. how silly.
[18:46] <gildarts> Keeping something that is auto syncing on an external drive seems not great either.
[18:46] <Doc-Saintly> gildarts, well on Windows, it doesn't sync because it can see the drive isn't mounted
[18:46] <Doc-Saintly> but on Linux, the nature of mounting the drive leaves the directory there but empty.
[18:47] <Doc-Saintly> honestly it doesn't sync all the time, but just when I plug it in to grab a big file quickly, or when I plug it in to prep for a trip somewher with limited internet
[18:48] <Doc-Saintly> personally I think the Nextcloud client should give some sort of warning before dumping all the files if it sees an empty directory - it should be able to see that it's mounted. But I'm chasing that up with them separately :)
[18:49] <xtao> syncthing uses a folder marker to prevent that. if an empty .stfolder directory doesn't exist then it will refuse to do anything with it
[18:50] <Doc-Saintly> xtao, and Backblaze also uses a .bzvol directory for storing some drive data (like the cache for the drive)
[18:51] <Doc-Saintly> I just felt like this can't be the only case where the mount point being present without the target being available is problematic - so I was hoping there might be a more automatic fix. :)
[18:51] <Doc-Saintly> Thanks for the feedback all :)
[18:51] <ikonia> there are lots of automatic fixes
[18:52] <Doc-Saintly> ikonia, ooh, do tell :D
[18:53] <ikonia> putting dependencies on the automounter for the startup of the sync client, putting an inotify flag into the file system that triggers the sync,
[18:53] <ikonia> setting up a better way to unlock the drive so that it doesn't require human interaction
[18:54] <Doc-Saintly> ikonia, yes I've considered getting Veracrypt to auto mount from the LUKS encryption on the main drive
[19:12] <Doc-Saintly> is it just me, or is `crypttab` not really much different than putting my password in a script file that mounts things? Both are storing the password in plaintext and presume that it can't be accessed (because it's encrypted)
[19:15] <oerheks> password in a script file, will be accessable.
[19:58] <Doc-Saintly> oerheks, wont the crypttab file as well?
[20:02] <gildarts> If you have your system encrypted, it prevents offline access. Still have the problem of someone taking the machine while you are logged in, but it helps minimize it.
[20:03] <gildarts> And if someone can take the machine from you while logged in, you have the wrench problem.
[20:03] <gildarts> (wrench problem https://xkcd.com/538/ )
[20:07] <Doc-Saintly> yep of course. but couldn't they view /crypttab the same way they could view the script? Or it defaults to needing sudo access?
[20:09] <gildarts> You can check the read permissions using ls -la /crypttab
[20:09] <gildarts> Don't know enough about crypttab to tell you.
[20:11] <Doc-Saintly> ah, I assume it wasn't automatically created and didn't trust myself enough to create it properly XD
[20:11] <Doc-Saintly> thanks. checking
[20:11] <Doc-Saintly> yea, I can tail it without sudo, so it wouldn't need a password either to get it from that file either
[20:14] <arooni> anyone having trouble with getting ubuntu 20.04 to resume?  it seemed to move the mouse around fine and i got the login screen but when i entered the password i just was presented with a purple screen afterward.  lenovo t420 with 12gb of ram and a decent amount of swap storage/ssd.
[20:15] <gildarts> Just my two cents, but if someone has enough access to your computer to be reading that file, you are already screwed pretty thoroughly. Just encrypt your root volume and don't leave your machine sitting around random places.
[20:30] <Doc-Saintly> gildarts, yea, the main thing I want to protect against is forgetting either device somewhere, and someone grabbing them and being able to see all the files on them.
[20:33] <Doc-Saintly> again thanks. Another question - does anyone have a recommendation for a shell script crash course geared towards a developer? The first article I pulled up wants to explain to me  what scripting is :)
[20:34] <sarnold> Doc-Saintly: it's not quite a 'course' but this is amazing resource https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
[20:34] <zakame> probably something like https://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/abs-guide.html too
[20:35] <Doc-Saintly> Thanks :)
[20:38] <dtux> do i need nfs-common to mount nfs using nautilus?
[21:11] <dex1983> hi
[21:11] <dex1983> Could someone help me with a script which does the following: rename subfolders like the parent folder like: folder1 --> subfolder1, folder2 --> subfolder2, to folder1 --> folder1 - subfolder1, folder2 --> folder2 - subfolder2
[21:58] <imi> hello
[21:58] <imi> how do I report crashdumps appearing in dmesg?
[22:08] <rypervenche> dex1983: A simple for loop would probably work for that. Assuming you only have one subfolder in each folder.
[22:25] <imi> how do I report crashdumps appearing in dmesg?
[22:26] <sarnold> imi: ubuntu-bug linux
[22:31] <squidgy> hi, i'm trying to use ubuntu to boot memtest on a uefi system... made it to grub, but there is no memtest listed?.... ubuntu desktop 20.04
[22:32] <sarnold> squidgy: correct, the memtest authors don't make uefi variant available as free software
[22:32] <sarnold> squidgy: you can apparently download it from their website for free
[22:33] <sarnold> squidgy: you could probably also configure your system to boot legacy / csm -- normally a bad idea, but I think the boot menu would then show you the way to run memtest
[22:33] <sarnold> just be sure to set it back to uefi when you're done
[22:33] <squidgy> its an x-serve
[22:33] <squidgy> so no legacy built in
[22:33] <squidgy> it didn't recognize the memtest iso on disc
[22:34] <sarnold> https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm  aha. here's where you can grab the uefi version
[22:38] <squidgy> sarnold that version doesn't even show as a boot option
[22:38] <sarnold> squidgy: ugh :/ I'm not currentl in a position to give it a test myself, sorry :(
[22:39] <pavlos> dex1983: so you want .../folder1/subfolder1 to become .../folder1/folder1/subfolder1 ?
[22:39] <squidgy> sarnold wait i downloaded the v4, trying the v8 now
[22:40] <sarnold> squidgy: aha :) that'll do it
[23:03] <elPuma> I am trying to upgrade from 19.04 to 20.04 LTS and in looking up how to do so, I noticed that most information/guides apply to upgrading from 18.04-->20.04, or from 16.04-->20.04, but I couldn't find anything about going from 19.04-->20.04. Would this be because 19.04 is no longer maintained? And, in general, can upgrades only be done from LTS
[23:03] <elPuma> versions or versions that are still being maintained?
[23:08] <Bashing-om> elPuma: 19.04 is long end 0f life - there is an alternate path to upgrade.
[23:08] <Bashing-om> !eol | elPuma
[23:09] <Bashing-om> !19.04
[23:26] <elPuma>  Bashing-om  thanks. It's always nice to find out that some procedure/event/phenomenon has an established term. Know I know that EOL is a thing
[23:26] <elPuma> *now I know
[23:26] <oft_gegong> so CS:GO crashes when I have my controller plugged in and start CS:GO. But if I leave it unplugged at first and then plug it in when the game boots up, CS:GO acknowledges the controller fine. This is all through Steam.
[23:26] <Bashing-om> elPuma: A day in ubuntu I do not learn "something new" is a day wasted :P
[23:27] <squidgy> sarnold booting it now... ;) thanks. sometimes i just need a kick.
[23:27] <sarnold> squidgy: me too
[23:28] <sarnold> squidgy: I've been meaning to replace my router/wifi at home for years now.. and my outgoing director gave me that kick friday afternoon :) "go do it!" .. I didn't actually get the thing done, but it felt good to start :)
[23:29] <squidgy> sarnold same thing here recently... went with aruba
[23:31] <sarnold> squidgy: oh nice :) I bought a bunch of ubnt gear, which always looks so promising, but was actually kinda frustrating to work with last week.. heh.
[23:35] <elPuma> The irony is that I was apprehensive to make the switch to 20.04 because I always like to wait a bit and see if any major bugs are discovered that I should be aware of before making committing to a big change. Guess I waited too long and forgot, lol.
[23:35] <sarnold> elPuma: it might be best to stick on the LTS releases in the future, you'll be prompted at reasonable times to upgade to future releases :)
[23:36] <elPuma> sarnold I figured as much, since now I know that non-LTS versions are like testing grounds for features that are to be added to the LTS versions
[23:36] <nelson777> Hello all, has anyone successfully created a vm with vagrant's ubuntu/focal64 image and static IP ? I've followed several instruction in the web and the vm just hangs.
[23:37] <nelson777> described the problem in detail here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1271658/vagrant-static-ip-problems-in-ubuntu-focal64
[23:40] <sarnold> nelson777: I've added a handful of small questions to a comment
[23:52] <nelson777> sarnold answered
[23:55] <sarnold> nelson777: hmm, I was sort of hoping it'd reply to ping, I'm not sure where to go next. Are there any logs from vbox?
[23:58] <nelson777> I could get help in #vagrant. A user pointed me to another image (bento/ubuntu-20.04) and it worked flawlessly. How come the main image is so broken I can't  even set a static IP :/


 Hello all. I have a question about SFTP in Dolphin. It is about a third slower than SFTP from Filezilla or SCP from the terminal. Any thoughts on how to correct that?
 fish is even slower
[07:23] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:03] <Qik> hello !
[10:04] <Qik> i have a slight issue with my new laptop
[10:04] <Qik> when i press the FN key + F9 (labelled with a magnyfying glass, i assume search)
[10:04] <Qik> the kde spazzes out
[10:04] <Qik> and the meta button after the spazz no longer activates the kickoff menu
[10:04] <Qik> that it intil i do kwin --replace or reboot
[10:43] <lordievader> Qik: What does dmesg say about it?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:37] <IrcsomeBot2> daganmcgregor was added by: daganmcgregor
 Hi there BluesKaj. How are you today?
[15:25] <IrcsomeBot2> Mohammed Haiqal was added by: Mohammed Haiqal
[15:26] <IrcsomeBot2> <Mohammed Haiqal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0PSHy-WqIE
[15:28] <oerheks> lets *not* click that url
[15:28] <oerheks> stoopid spam, every time with this ircsomebot
[15:29] <lordievader> That is the telegram bridge. So this is actually telegram spam :p
[15:31] <oerheks> reported that vid as spam with youtube, grinn
[17:30] <ASM39> Hi there, I want to know how can I stop the background networking
 As in disabling the network?
 @zparihar, Anybody have ideas?
 @zparihar, You'll want to reach out to the packager of the flatpak if it's not from KDE directly or reach out the devs of the application.
 @ahoneybun, Ahh... so the packagers at Flathub in my case...


[10:09] <TLE> dpm: goodmorning
[10:09] <dpm> hey TLE, good morning
[10:10] <TLE> I'm just updating the specification with work item for the language packs. I was wondering; should language pack release that after the release of the next version be in the specification that matches the ubunte version that they are in or the development cycle that they are in
[10:11] <TLE> i.e. should the fifth and sixth lang pack release for natty (which are placed in the oneiric cycle) be in the spec for the UDS-N or -O
[10:12] <TLE> nonsense
[10:12] <TLE> anyway I hope you know what I means
[10:12] <dpm> TLE, I'm not sure I can follow, could you give me an example?
[10:12] <TLE> yes
[10:12] <TLE> 2 sec
[10:13] <TLE> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/NattyLanguagePackReleaseSchedule the two last releases
[10:13] <TLE> they are located in the P development cycle
[10:14] <TLE> so should I put them in the spec from UDS-P because the work will happen in this cycle?
[10:14] <TLE> I think that is what makes most sense
[10:14] <dpm> TLE, I can follow you now. But when you're talking about spec, which exact page are you talking about?
[10:14] <TLE> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-translations-roundtable
[10:15] <TLE> that was the one you wanted me to put them in right?
[10:16] <dpm> TLE, ok, gotcha. Yes, it makes sense to put them in there. In the long run, we should perhaps have a wiki page with _all_ langpacks, so that we have a better overview, but I would do it only if we can generate it somehow automatically, otherwise it'd be too much work to maintain
[10:17] <TLE> dpm: yes, it should be a simple task to make a script that parses the calendar feed that includes everything and outputs wiki content, but it would still need to be put in the wiki manually everytime it changes
[14:10] <sagaci> it's not hard to get into the forums
[14:11] <sagaci> whoops, wrong channel :)


[00:00] <NeoFAT32> I would recommand Ubuntu if people need a headache.
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> Do you know how I can put myself into the root group ?
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> I've seen on Mint that I could add myself in some group, such root, or guest.
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> So I would have permanent root access.
[00:01] <sarnold> that's not what root group means
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> oh.
[00:02] <NeoFAT32> But does it means that I have root access ?
[00:02] <NeoFAT32> XD
[00:03] <NeoFAT32> I remember 2 years ago, I was using Ubuntu too and I had to use the terminal to access protected folders.
[00:03] <NeoFAT32> And to passby the gray functions by the interface.
[00:05] <NeoFAT32> I should probably reinstall mint to not kill myself.
[00:05] <NeoFAT32> I installed Ubuntu because it says Mint was build on Ubuntu/Debian sys.
[00:05] <NeoFAT32> So I thought Ubuntu would be more... "based".
[00:06] <NeoFAT32> But now, I'm thinking the Ubuntu that I'm using, has a noob commercial interface for kids.
[00:06] <NeoFAT32> XD
[00:06] <NeoFAT32> I'm just talking about the interface.
[00:07] <BSaboia> What is the `take` command for? I can see it's some kind of shorthand for `mkdir`
[00:08] <Maik> !discuss | NeoFAT32
[00:08] <MonoL> Is there a new LTS out?
[00:08] <Maik> MonoL: not yet
[00:08] <sarnold> MonoL: no, look for it around the end of april
[00:08] <enigma9o7[m]> Nah, thats an april thing.
[00:09] <MonoL> ah ok cool
[00:09] <Maik> April 21st
[00:10] <MonoL> dose 21.10 have neofetch included?
[00:10] <NeoFAT32> Ok
[00:10] <Maik> MonoL: no
[00:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes, neofetch is still in ubuntu 21.10
[00:11] <Maik> Ubuntu doesn't ship neofetch by default but it's installable
[00:11] <MonoL> is there some similar thing included shiped?
[00:12] <Maik> no
[00:12] <Maik> if you want neofetch simply open a terminal and type: sudo apt install neofetch
[00:13] <MonoL> Is there some way i can get a quick system rundown from the live environment?
[00:14] <MonoL> Might not have access to the net at the time
[00:15] <MonoL> is htop included?
[00:16] <sarnold> MonoL: htop is packaged, and even default installed in ubuntu server, budgie, mate, and lubuntu
[00:16] <sarnold> MonoL: it's just an apt install htop away :)
[00:17] <MonoL> yeah but I might not be connected tomorrow when I'll need it
[00:17] <MonoL> gotta go rescue a machine tomorrow night
[00:18] <sarnold> ahhhhh
[00:18] <sarnold> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libncursesw6 (>= 6), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
[00:19] <MonoL> The user doesn't know the difference between ram and a hard drive
[00:20] <MonoL> they said their ram is 98% full
[00:21] <sarnold> heh
[00:21] <MonoL> I'd put money on it that it's a 256 ssd that's full
[00:45] <control> hello. im trying to install ubuntu 20.04 server on my p50 laptop. after installation it says dhcp connecting, and no boot filename received. how can i solve this? thanks
[00:45] <control> pxe-e53
[00:48] <Ravage> MonoL: "free -m" shows free memory. "df -h" free disk space. top should be available too
[00:50] <Ravage> control: check your bios boot options. your laptop tries to boot from the network. make sure your HDD is set as a boot device
[00:52] <MonoL> Ravage: Nice, thanks! Do you know will I have to mount the drive/drives first if I'm running live from the usb?
[00:53] <Ravage> yes. but that should be possible in nautilus
[00:53] <MonoL> ok cool
[00:55] <control> ive tried to chhange boot option to boot ssd. but still, it says intel boot agent, initializing and establishing link
[00:56] <sarnold> control: heh, sounds like your laptop is trying to PXE boot
[00:56] <control> yes
[00:56] <control> how can i solve this problem?
[00:59] <MonoL> Can you turn the PXE off in the bios?
[01:00] <sarnold> control: here's a random website with a screenshot that is probably roughly the right vintage https://it.engr.ncsu.edu/help/kb/enabling-pxe-boot-for-lenovo-thinkpad/
[01:00] <sarnold> control: double check your menu there to see if you're set to PXE boot ..
[01:46] <n-iCe> is ubuntu using more resources than win 11?
[01:48] <control> quit
[01:57] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: If you are concerned with resourse usage - there are the ubuntu flavours that are lighter :D
[01:58] <n-iCe> I'm not, my hardware can with it, just wondering if it is me or ubuntu is asking more hardware than win 11 these days
[01:59] <Ravage> if it runs win11 it also runs Ubuntu
[02:01] <n-iCe> old days ubuntu was less resourcer eater
[02:01] <n-iCe> resources
[02:03] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Users clamour for more and ubuntu developers oblidge :D
[02:04] <sarnold> back when I started, you needed 16M ram to really run X11. anything less was just silly.
[02:05] <n-iCe> Bashing-om you use ubuntu?
[02:05] <n-iCe> sarnold yeah
[02:08] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Well - I have (u)buntu installed onto a test bed on this system - my daily is a roll-my-own with xfce for the GUI. Old old hardware and xfce is much faster than Gnome.
[02:12] <n-iCe> Bashing-om so, xubuntu?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: A lot is of xubuntu - but I do not run the xubuntu desktop. A kernel install - pick and choose what I want installed.
[02:16] <n-iCe> got it
[02:41] <sumd3wd> I'm having some errors with Steam's pressure-vessel-wrap saying Permission denied & Operation not permitted for SteamLinuxRuntime_soldier/var/tmp-*
[02:43] <sumd3wd> https://pastebin.com/BFYMMcqa
[02:45] <sarnold> heh that was quick
[02:46] <sarnold> sumd3wd: try namei -l /share/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_soldier/var/tmp-22YZI1
[02:48] <sumd3wd> sarnold: I went to the /var/ directory and the error shown is the wrong tmp directory name than is there, and every steam boot it changes...
[02:49] <sarnold> sumd3wd: steam was kind enough to give you an exact error message and an exact path :) it's worth using that informatoin to troubleshoot the issue
[02:49] <sumd3wd> sarnold okay so that created the directory it seems
[02:50] <sarnold> namei -l doesn't create directories :) it gives you output like ls -l but for every path component..
[02:51] <sumd3wd> sarnold: well I was using steam beta then I downgraded to steam regular maybe that is why there are 2 directories now in the Runtimes /var/
[02:52] <sumd3wd> sarnold: omg /share is owned by root could that be the issue?
[02:52] <sarnold> sumd3wd: I don't know, I've never seen a /share directory before, so I don't know what is expected of it
[02:53] <sumd3wd> sarnold: I moved the libraries to a folder outside the home directories for multi-user usage.
[02:57] <Ravage> i dont think steam supports that
[02:58] <sumd3wd> Ravage: its called a steam library
[02:58] <Ravage> i know what it is called
[02:59] <sumd3wd> sarnold: the tmp- are replicating :(
[02:59] <Ravage> but steam expects to have ownership of the files
[02:59] <Ravage> and to be able to set its own permissions
[02:59] <sumd3wd> Ravage: yeah its all user:group it won't accept the library unless the permissions are clear
[03:00] <leftyfb> isn't this SteamOS? Or from what I can tell, "pressure-vessel-wrap" which is Steam running in some sort of custom container?
[03:01] <sumd3wd> leftyfb: No its ubuntu, I think its some sort of chroot for the steam libraries
[03:03] <sumd3wd> The only thing I could find on the web about this error was an incident last year concerning Nix-OS and bubblewrap library
[03:05] <leftyfb> right, pressure-vessel-wrap is some sort of custom container(probably namespaced)
[03:06] <leftyfb> sumd3wd: I would recommend asking in https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/?settings=wnuYl5a8fLp#steam
[03:07] <sumd3wd> leftyfb: thx I will check there in a bit, just trying to gather more info
[03:21] <n-iCe> Done, Installed Ubuntu, just bought the laptop hehe.
[03:21] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: \o/
[03:22] <n-iCe> Bashing-om:  thanks
[03:23] <n-iCe> Bashing-om:  https://ibb.co/RjkgnZ9
[03:23] <NeoFAT32> !!
[03:24] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Welcome to ubuntu :D
[03:29] <sumd3wd> Is it possible to have the same app installed under flatpak?
[03:49] <sumd3wd> flatpak: please confirm your network Me: LOL???
[04:04] <n-iCe> back
[04:36] <funhouse> im trying to remember how to extract a file from gzip without removing original .gz file
[04:37] <Eickmeyer> funhouse: tar xvf {filename}, won't remove the file.
[04:37] <funhouse> Elckmeyer hmm for gzip?
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> Is it a tar.gz?
[04:38] <funhouse> just a compressed csv file
[04:38] <jhutchins> Eickmeyer: Different tool.
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> Ah. nvm
[04:38] <funhouse> Eickmeyer ty regardless
[04:45] <jhutchins> funhouse: It's a switch for gunzip, it's in the man page.
[05:35] <n-iCe> hi
[05:35] <kostkon_> n-iCe hello
[06:53] <vishal50> Hello there can anybody help me
[07:00] <alkisg> !ask
[07:02] <vishal50> I am trying ¨sudo apt-get build-dep vlc && apt-get --build source vlc¨ but it is showing unmet dependencies. And could not resolve the problem.
[07:02] <vishal50> Please help me out.
[07:03] <vishal50> I am trying to build the vlc from its source code it needs many libraries and dependencies.
[07:21] <zamba> i have a cloud instance that's behaving terribly..
[07:21] <zamba> load is currently at 66
[07:21] <zamba> running commands like for instance 'w' takes a couple of minutes to terminate
[07:22] <zamba> i/o wait is around 30 %
[07:22] <zamba> i have 230GB of RAM.. 50G is used.. 173G buff/cache..
[07:23] <zamba> 16 vCPUs.. top says 0.4 us.. 0.1 sys.. 56 idle and currently around 40 % io wait
[07:23] <zamba> 'htop' took 3 minutes to start
[07:23] <zamba> so what's going on here?
[07:27] <menthasys> good morning I am on ubuntu mate and after reinstalling Alsa audio, I get an error to a system program and it asks me to report it. The report I do not think it starts and there is no button to see what the problem is
[07:32] <eruditehermit> hey, is there a good tool to set up extra mouse buttons in gnome? I know about piper but that only works for logitech and steelseries mice. What about other mice?
[07:38] <webchat47> how i can fix these fontconfig warnings and errors in discord? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/XhmTwjBC5Z/
[07:39] <webchat47> i have Ubuntu 20.04.4
[08:13] <mncheck> can apt-get command line add to a package's priority beyond raising to 990 with -t ?
[08:15] <mncheck> like some -o option
[08:40] <hwdyki> how can i reboot an ubuntu machine with kexec?
[08:42] <mncheck> does ubuntu have suites like debian's testing that dynamically change what codenames they refer to?
[08:46] <Ravage> mncheck: the codename is devel
[08:56] <mncheck> Ravage, thanks, I set that in sources.list as suite and it worked. I see no other suites like that in dists
[09:18] <mncheck> is there a list of available ubuntu pockets?
[09:19] <mncheck> like proposed
[09:20] <mncheck> or do you go through all source packages
[09:27] <mncheck> are pockets supplementary or can they be used alone?
[09:46] <mncheck> why devel doens't have pockets
[09:46] <mncheck> sorry I misread
[10:37] <Ermine> Hello, I'm trying to run VM in virt-manager with virgl enabled, but I get black screen. In journal, I see AppArmor denying libvirt access to /proc/21199/comm
[10:38] <Ermine> 21199 is pid of qemu-system-x86_64
[10:55] <mncheck> I tried to pin devel with Package: * Pin: release a=devel Pin-Priority: 1 but it's not working, why?
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | mncheck can this help?
[11:02] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, I used that too, if you don't mean apt-get source-ing or dpkg hold-ing then no
[11:03] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, you can try putting "devel main restricted" in your sources.list instead of "focal main restricted" for example, and unless you are already on jammy, you will see my problem if you try the pins
[11:03] <mncheck> don't forget to remove that line after the experiment
[11:03] <mncheck> or restore it
[11:25] <Ermine> I disabled apparmor, but still get black screen
[11:28] <KBar> Turn your screen on.
[11:51] <oops> what's the ppa name in  " https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian stable/main all Packages
[11:51] <oops>      release o=proton-gitlab,n=stable,c=main,b=all
[11:51] <oops>      origin repo.protonvpn.com
[11:51] <oops> "
[11:54] <hwdyki> i'm trying to reboot using kexec --load /boot/vmlinuz --initrd=/boot/initrd.img --reuse-cmdline; systemctl kexec; but it still goes thru the BIOS POST.
[11:56] <KBar> oops: https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/
[11:57] <KBar> oops: Ubuntu-specific guide: https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-ubuntu-vpn-setup/
[12:05] <oops> KBar: i cant' open the link you offered, i only hope to remove that protonvpn repository from my pc , and i used "apt policy |grep protonvpn" to get protonvpn info like this "500 https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian stable/main all Packages
[12:05] <oops>      origin repo.protonvpn.com
[12:05] <oops>  "
[12:06] <oops> but i don't know what's the exactly ppa name
[12:10] <oerheks> oops, such PPA ends up in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:10] <oerheks>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder
[12:12] <oerheks> if that PPA does not work, it is because the HTTPS header, install apt-transport-https
[12:51] <Ermine> KBar: Turn your screen on. <--- is this joke?
[12:57] <goddard> is launchpad down or something?
[12:59] <webchat47>    no launchpad is online. why you ask?
[12:59] <goddard>  Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu
[12:59] <goddard> can't upgrade
[13:00] <webchat47> what version do you have?
[13:01] <webchat47> its only for bionic, focal and impish
[13:05] <webchat47> (18.04 LTS, 20.04 LTS and 21.10)
[13:07] <webchat47> but it exist other directories in dists, hmm
[13:08] <goddard> im on 21.10
[13:11] <webchat47> check the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ backports file of the ppa
[13:12] <oerheks> goddard, just try again?
[13:13] <webchat47> contains it 'deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu impish main'?
[13:18] <goddard> oerheks: tried a few times already and no luck yet
[13:19] <goddard> i don't have some strange setup just normal install kde-standard
[13:19] <oerheks> it should work. pastebin the output of sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade ??
[13:34] <goddard> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y5QcK7gdnm/
[13:38] <oerheks> oh it partially worked.
[13:38] <oerheks> try with --fix-missing?
[13:39] <alkisg> Check your internet settings; if ipv6 fails, switch to ipv4; you should be able to download http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemsettings/systemsettings_5.24.3-0ubuntu1%7eubuntu21.10%7eppa1_amd64.deb  before you go on
[13:39] <alkisg> In your output, it says you can't access it, but I can, i.e. the server is OK....
[13:39] <alkisg> Don't partially install programs, it might break things
[13:42] <NeoFAT32> Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.
[13:43] <NeoFAT32> IntPtr CallWindowProc(IntPtr, IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
[13:43] <NeoFAT32> ???
[13:43] <NeoFAT32> Running an app through wine.
[13:44] <goddard> disabling ipv6 solved it
[13:44] <oerheks> NeoFAT32, is it an ubuntu issue, wine issue or that app?
[13:44] <goddard> thanks
[13:44] <oerheks>
[13:45] <NeoFAT32> oerheks: I think it's because the .exe is trying to access to a memory path that doesn't exist.
[13:45] <NeoFAT32>
[13:45] <oerheks> or should have no access too.. that is good
[13:46] <NeoFAT32> yeah but how it can be good if it's crashing...?
[13:47] <NeoFAT32> I don't understand these useless security parameters.
[13:48] <NeoFAT32> "Hi, I'm using Linux, I have to install random/pkg everytime I'm working on Linux but hey hey, I need to prevent wine to access to my files but at least, it can access to my downloads folder on Ubuntu, yeah the windows downloads folder is a shortcut to my ubuntu download folder
[13:48] <NeoFAT32> Yay !
[13:48] <NeoFAT32> Linux's logic ? Work to work harder. Yes.
[13:49] <oerheks> Newe don't deal with wine and windows app issues
[13:49] <oerheks> so, rant away, seek help in #winehq
[13:50] <oerheks> !wine
[13:50] <NeoFAT32> Thanks.
[13:52] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: perhaps if Linux isn't to your taste you should try this new Windows thing
[13:53] <NeoFAT32> Perhaps if you have nothing interesting to say or useful thing just find something else to do.
[13:53] <NeoFAT32> I don't need to be here, to read that.
[13:53] <NeoFAT32> I'm not even here to have this kind of suggestion.
[13:53] <gordonjcp> okay, well, maybe stop whining
[13:53] <gordonjcp> actually describe the problem you're having
[13:54] <NeoFAT32> Dude, it's ok, I'm just going to find help somewhere else.
[13:54] <gordonjcp> although oerheks has already pointed out, #winehq is the best place to ask
[13:54] <NeoFAT32> [00:50:11] <NeoFAT32> Thanks.
[13:55] <NeoFAT32> Thanks you. I needed you to work as a log.
[13:55] <gordonjcp> Wine's a bit of an "it either works or it doesn't" thing though
[13:55] <NeoFAT32> If every logs worked like you, damn, we wouldn't have much problems to solve.
[13:56] <gordonjcp> it'll work straight out of the gate, or there will be some fundamental part not implemented that stops you dead
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> Yeah it's ok, I think it's just sad to say something such well Linux is not Ubuntu, when Microsoft itself, make the pleasure to allow people to run linux os on a native vm such hyper-v.
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> Well, it's ok, it's probably because they have the money.
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> See you later.
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> Linux is not windows*
[13:57] <gordonjcp> well hyperv is just virtualisation
[13:57] <gordonjcp> you could probably run damn near any OS on it, even the ones you haven't heard of
[13:58] <NeoFAT32> Yeah, excuse-me where's the native vm client on ubuntu ?
[13:58] <NeoFAT32> Or damn, it's true, I have to find it by myself.
[13:58] <oerheks> kvm
[13:58] <oerheks> NeoFAT32, stop the silly rant please
[13:58] <NeoFAT32> Ok.
[13:59] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: when my son was 9 months old I needed to feed him myself with a spoon.  Now he's 18 months old, he can feed himself with a spoon.  He doesn't need a grown-up to do it.
[13:59] <gordonjcp> no-one's going to spoon-feed you this stuff.    Learn to read.
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> Yup but well, you know, you should see some topic on these forums. Well, at least they are not considerate as tutorial.
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> But if you want to talk about how to grow up.
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> We can surely talk about xorg. tutorial ?
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> It's an interesting topic there.
[14:00] <gordonjcp> we could, if we travelled back ten years in time
[14:01] <NeoFAT32> Using the same color to explain comment and command ?
[14:01] <NeoFAT32> Oh.. damn, we're in 2022 should work in white and black.
[14:01] <gordonjcp> everyone uses Wayland now
[14:01] <NeoFAT32> Ok bye.
[14:01] <gordonjcp> and before that, xorg pretty much didn't need any external config unless you were doing something deeply weird
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> Oh such using dual gpu ?
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> Oh yeah, yeah.
[14:02] <oerheks> Then /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/  was invented :-D
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> I don't know why I'm still talking.
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> oooh a file that i cannot find ! :D
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> what are you going to say ? that i didn't install xorg ?
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> Damn bruh.
[14:03] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: no, using things like Firewire-connected video processors for outputting half a dozen HDMI feeds and stuff
[14:03] <oerheks> there is no standard xorg.conf anymore, it is created virtually on boot and dumped when shutdown
[14:03] <oerheks> for years now
[14:04] <gordonjcp> exactly
[14:04] <NeoFAT32> Ok, I didn't use linux for years.
[14:04] <gordonjcp> probe for stuff that makes sense
[14:04]  * gordonjcp has used it for about 27 years
[14:04] <oerheks> that is why /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/  folder exists, to add your special needs
[14:04] <Marmotte> when I'm not satisfied by an OS/program/whatever, I stop using it instead of blaming it endlessly :)
[14:04] <gordonjcp> I'm old enough to remember compiling bits of X11R6 because modelines weren't a thing yet
[14:04] <NeoFAT32> But well, it seems like you all guys, like to act like you were all Bill Gates, it was the same on Spotchat, people showing their useless knowledge to people that need help to install a single thing.
[14:05] <NeoFAT32> Damn guys, you should drink a bit or damn, wait, just forget about it, don't drink.
[14:05] <oerheks> you are a breeze for our volunteers, keep it up
[14:05] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: maybe you shouldn't, if that's the standard of your discourse
[14:07] <NeoFAT32> I'm sorry but it's the same, you know for example, "#Ubuntu" what's the kind of subjects that we can talk in this kind of channel with such a name ?
[14:07] <NeoFAT32> Oh... everything about Ubuntu, am I wrong ?
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> Ok so what's the real difference between talking about Mint ? Oh yeah, it's not Ubuntu. It's just a random OS running with Debian/Ubuntu build.
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> Oh but wait, what Ubuntu is made of ?
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> Oh no... we cannot talk about linux.
[14:08] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: do you have a car?
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> vroom vroom.
[14:09] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: say you have a Honda Civic, and you take the engine out and fit one from a Ford Transit instead, and then you have some problems so you take it to the Honda garage
[14:09] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: what do you think the garage will say?
[14:10] <gordonjcp> "Sure, it started life as a Honda so we'll fix it" or "Please take that pile of heterogenous scrap off my forecourt"
[14:11] <NeoFAT32> Oh ok, I should buy some stock Linux hardwares.
[14:11] <n-iCe> hello
[14:11] <NeoFAT32> Maybe how about a real question. Why Linux is trying to use hardwares used by Microsoft ?
[14:11] <NeoFAT32> Jeez.
[14:12] <gordonjcp> not quite sure what you're asking there?
[14:12] <NeoFAT32> If I'm asking drivers ? Oh yeah, I am.
[14:12] <Ravage> He is just bad at being a troll :)
[14:12] <NeoFAT32> Yeah, and you're just bad to recognize a troll.
[14:12] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: maybe you could rephrase your question so it makes a bit more sense
[14:12] <NeoFAT32> But you should see that with you bpu.
[14:13] <NeoFAT32> Brain Processor Unit ?
[14:13] <NeoFAT32> Ok ok. Here : Thanks you for your comments, I have to go.  The -30 kernel does boot. -35 is important as it contains fixes for dirtypipe and spectre-bhb
[18:27] <jhutchins> Is that really 4 hours of dead air?
[18:29] <alkisg> Meh and you just broke it :D
[18:37] <Voidwarper> does the new ubuntu use pipewire?
[18:37] <Voidwarper> is there a plan to switch to it like fedore did
[18:40] <Maik> Voidwarper: afaik pipewire was already included in 21.10
[18:41] <Voidwarper> Maik: oh is it the default?
[18:41] <Maik> not sure
[18:41] <Voidwarper> also is the wayland gnome the default still or did ubuntu switch back to x11 gnome?
[18:41] <Maik> Ubuntu uses wayland as default since 20.10
[18:42] <Maik> and it has been ever since
[18:47] <diezel> Evening all, just got myself an old Dell T7600 with dual Xeon CPU's and 128Gb of RAM. Trying to put Ubuntu on it but after selecting the UEFI boot I get an error MoklistRT out of resources
[18:47] <diezel> The system is so old it does not have Secure Boot at all, so that's not the case
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> diezel: you got a picture or logs you can share with us?
[18:48] <diezel> Read some select grub64.efi to boot with from the UEFI prompt, but I get non
[18:49] <diezel> lotuspsychje: It's before the boot media even loads, so wont even show the boot menu
[18:49] <diezel> I can try to get a picture but it shuts down real fast after showing the error
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> diezel: wich ubuntu iso are you trying?
[18:50] <alkisg> It could maybe possibly mean that shim has compatibility issues with your your UEFI firmware; you can install grub-efi without shim though
[18:50] <alkisg> Shim == mod, grub == the actual loader
[18:50] <alkisg> *mok
[18:51] <diezel> Just as a test put the iso on a Ventoy media as well and ventoy boots but as soon as I move to ubuntu it stops at the same error. It's the 20.04 Desktop media I'm using
[18:51] <alkisg> Boot from the live cd and remove shim without removing grub-efi
[18:52] <alkisg> (lotuspsychje, matrix has issues joining, it keeps prompting without success.... :/)
[18:52] <Ravage> or if you dont actually need EFI turn it off in BIOS and do a good old MBR/BIOS installation :)
[18:52] <diezel> alkisg: it wont boot the installation media at all
[18:52] <diezel> Ravage: yea, I think that might be the way to go here
[18:52] <alkisg> diezel: didn't you say that ventoy boots?
[18:52] <diezel> Ventoy does
[18:53] <alkisg> Can you load ubuntu.iso with ventoy?
[18:53] <diezel> alkisg: fails just as from the usb stick with only ubuntu
[18:53] <diezel> MoklistRT out of resources
[18:53] <alkisg> Write the ubuntu.iso inside ventoy then and boot
[18:53] <alkisg> You just need a live cd to remove shim
[18:55] <diezel> alkisg: ok, I need to find some info on that. The shim, is it on the ubuntu iso? So I need to modify that? I can go find this on google now as well as you pointed me to a possible fix :)
[18:56] <alkisg> diezel: if you prefer to install in bios mode, that could be easier, as Ravage said,
[18:56] <alkisg> otherwise, you'd just write ubuntu.iso inside ventoy, boot with it, then you'd chroot to /dev/sda2 or whatever your partition is, and purge the shim package
[18:56] <alkisg> with apt purge shim-signed
[19:05] <jhutchins> !info pipewire
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> its installed on 22.04 here too
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> pipewire:
[19:05] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 0.3.48-1ubuntu1
[19:07] <diezel> alkisg: this is pre-install. So there is only a empty drive in the system. No operating system yet. I'll try the legacy boot and see if that works
[19:08] <diezel> yeah, legacy startx so I guess that's the shortcut here
[19:08] <alkisg> 👍
[19:09] <alkisg> If I understood correctly, you could also just copy ubuntu.iso inside your ventoy stick...
[19:09] <diezel> no, just ventoy, as soon as I select the ubuntu.iso it fails just like the ubuntu only media. Sorry if I was unclear
[19:10] <alkisg> Ah OK then, yeah go for legacy, easier
[19:11] <alkisg> There are other ways too, e.g. my liveusb stick https://github.com/alkisg/liveusb, but probably not worth the fuss
[19:13] <c_89> Hi, what is the IRC channel where can I talk about javascript?
[19:13] <diezel> Since there is no hurry to get this running, I can at least give it a shot
[19:14] <sarnold> c_89: try #javascript
[19:14] <tomreyn> diezel: i haven't followed the full vconversation, but did you try this (first hit (for me) on a web search for your error message): https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029889/ubuntu-18-04-uefi-boot-fails-moklistrt-out-of-resources
[19:19] <diezel> tomreyn: That could do the trick as well. So that's just pre-creating a boot menu option in bios to point to the usb device. Will at least try it out just to see the outcome
[19:21] <tomreyn> right, this seems to have worked for others with the same error message.
[19:36] <MonoL> Start up disk creator won't let me pick the image I want :(
[19:37] <leftyfb> MonoL: what is the image you want?
[19:37] <MonoL> Was gonna put puppy on a usb
[19:37] <MonoL> dose it only work with ubuntu?
[19:38] <leftyfb> MonoL: what is the file name?
[19:39] <MonoL> fossapup64-9.5.iso
[19:39] <leftyfb> I'm not sure
[19:39] <MonoL> yeah idk either
[19:39] <MonoL> seems strange
[19:39] <leftyfb> MonoL: try etcher.io
[19:39] <MonoL> ok
[19:40] <MonoL> cant find it
[19:41] <MonoL> no snap or apt
[19:41] <leftyfb> MonoL: http://etcher.io
[19:42] <Maik> MonoL: startup disk creator only can make use of buntu based and, iirc, debian based isos
[19:43] <MonoL> ok so no puppy?
[19:43] <Maik> guess not
[19:43] <Maik> you can use Disks and the Restore Image feature, no third party app needed
[19:43] <MonoL> Seems to be fine writing an android x86 iso
[19:44] <NeoFAT32> Maik !!!
[19:45] <Maik> MonoL: so far i only succeeded to flash buntu and debian isos to usb sticks with the creator
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> ventoy is cool
[19:45] <Maik> Disks too
[19:47] <MonoL> Ok etcher is doing it's thing
[19:47] <MonoL> looks nice
[19:48] <MonoL> validating
[19:48] <leftyfb> MonoL: we don't need the play-by-play. At this point, any further support with your puppy linux distro should be directed at puppy linux
[19:49] <MonoL> Noted
[19:51] <MonoL> Thanks guys
[20:14] <estan> hi folks. just installed ubuntu server 20.04.4 LTS and noticed that multiverse was enabled by default after installation. why is that enabled by default?
[20:19] <oerheks> estan, not sure what packages are needed, multiverse gives Software restricted by copyright or legal issues.
[20:21] <estan> yes, i know. i'm just surprised that it's enabled by default. i can't remember getting any choice about it during installation.
[20:22] <estan> (and i did not make any particular choices about sw to install during installation, so i would be surprised if it installed something from multiverse)
[20:23] <oerheks> i doubt seeing multiverse enabled, standard..
[20:24] <oerheks> ubuntu-restricted-extras enables it, afaik
[20:24] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:33] <estan> hm, okay. maybe i missed something during installation where i could have made a choice, but i definitely didn't check anything conciously, and it was enabled after install.
[20:33] <blahboybaz> I've got a problem emrging a couple times before this and again today - when doing an update...
[20:33] <blahboybaz> $ uname -v
[20:33] <blahboybaz> #33~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 7 14:25:10 UTC 2022
[20:33] <blahboybaz> I'm getting a dialogue telling me the update cannot procede because there isn't enough space in /boot. Using autoremove worked the two times this happend before but today there is nothing to autoremove.
[20:33] <blahboybaz> What are some options on how to solve this?
[20:34] <oerheks> this is why ubuntu installs in one partition. standard.
[20:34] <estan> grep multiverse /var/log/installer/installer-journal.txt | head -1 shows "Mar 08 16:32:37 ubuntu-server subiquity_log.3712[4894]: Get:15 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/multiverse amd64 Packages [144 kB]"
[20:35] <blahboybaz> oerheks: iirc I installed using all default settings but that was a long time ago and not the type of thing I would rememver (unless I had done something custom then I might recall doing something like that)
[20:35] <blahboybaz> At any rate its something I need to solve
[20:36] <Niekdo> i accidentally ran sudo rm /* couple weeks ago, thank god i have root and home in separate partitons
[20:37] <sarnold> blahboybaz: the usual approach is to apt purge some of the older linux-* packages ; try ls -l /boot ; then dpkg -S ... on the linux kernels, and remove some of the older ones -- ideally ones you're not currently running
[20:37] <oerheks> pastebin the output of 'df -h' # this would show what is used
[20:37] <oerheks> sarnold, +1
[20:37] <blahboybaz> Niekdo: I did that over a decade ago once (ubuntu 16.04 era) and lost everthing. I had only been using ubu a few mos at that time and someone suggested I do that as a soln to a question I had posted on the forum. Never again! I learned my lesson
[20:38] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I will look into that thanks
[20:39] <blahboybaz> Is there a longer term soln - considering that maybe this is a progressive problem?
[20:39] <ioria> blahboybaz, if you paste 'df -h', we can take a look
[20:40] <blahboybaz> ok I'll look
[20:40] <blahboybaz> Maybe I can increase the size of /boot  if lvm is being used?
[20:40] <blahboybaz> idk
[20:40] <blahboybaz> I'll see about df
[20:42] <blahboybaz> $ df -h  -->  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRggGsFsrN/
[20:43] <oerheks> so you have lvm indeed
[20:43] <blahboybaz> $ ls -al /boot  -->  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8yg7Hky5QD/
[20:43] <blahboybaz> if it helps
[20:44] <blahboybaz> oerheks: can't one just grow the volume size or something like that?
[20:51] <blahboybaz> How do you tell what can be safely removed or not?
[20:54] <sarnold> blahboybaz: you compare version numbers in the files against uname -a output
[20:54] <sarnold> blahboybaz: it's best to keep the one you're running, and the newest one
[20:55] <blahboybaz> sarnold: ok...  And about increasing the vol size of /boot ?  Is that a very good idea? Would it even help?
[20:56] <sarnold> blahboybaz: it probably would, but I know very little about lvm
[20:56] <blahboybaz> sarnold: ok... ty
[20:59] <blahboybaz> Is it advisable to also remove the System.map, config, and initrd.img  with the corresponding version numbers?
[21:02] <sarnold> blahboybaz: purging the right packages will do that stuff for you
[21:02] <sarnold> blahboybaz: if you *remove* those files, purging the packages will get way harder
[21:03] <sarnold> blahboybaz: once in a while apt will get very unhappy when /boot fills up, and the best way out of that mess is to *truncate* those files, so you can still do filesystem operations in there, and dpkg will then purge packages
[21:03] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Are you getting at the difference between remove and purge or is there some package name I need to identify?
[21:04] <sarnold> blahboybaz: that's what the dpkg -S commands are for
[21:04] <sarnold> ± dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-77-generic
[21:04] <sarnold> linux-image-5.4.0-77-generic: /boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-77-generic
[21:04] <blahboybaz> So dpkg -S on the kernel name and it will tell me the package name to use?
[21:04] <sarnold> yeah
[21:05] <blahboybaz> oh
[21:05] <blahboybaz> so which of the example is what you would actually use in your apt command?
[21:05] <sarnold> apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-77-generic
[21:06] <blahboybaz> I see
[21:06] <blahboybaz> ty
[21:10] <blahboybaz> Isn't there a setting for how many old kernels to keep? I thought that was supposed to only keep the kernel I'm running and one older or something
[21:15] <sarnold> blahboybaz: there's a vastly complicated script that never quite works right, yeah
[21:16] <sarnold> blahboybaz: newer releases have a simplified script that will hopefully save fewer kernels and make fewer mistakes
[21:16] <blahboybaz> sarnold: right on
[21:17] <blahboybaz> I guess that worked (purging stuff).. It kinda screwed up on one of the two I was trying to remove but there's more space now so.. idk
[21:17] <sarnold> hopefully an apt install -f  will take it the rest of the way from here
[21:29] <blahboybaz> oerheks: Looks like that worked. I appreciate the guideance
[22:50] <glestrade> hi, I'm trying to find out why there was a loopback device mounted on my linux
[22:50] <glestrade> it seemed to have some wine stuff associated with it... could it have had to do with notepad++?
[22:52] <sarnold> check mount output to see what it is; you can use lsof or fuser to see what processes are using it
[22:52] <glestrade> well I unmounted it since
[22:53] <glestrade> let's see if I launch notepad++ again...
[22:55] <glestrade> relaunching didn't make the loopback device show...
[22:55] <glestrade> could it have been malicious?
[22:56] <sarnold> sure, but that's pretty unlikely
[22:56] <jhutchins> glestrade: What does the loopback device contain?
[22:57] <glestrade> sarnold: I agree it's unlikely, but maybe I'll never be sure now that I unmounted it. It was just there one morning...
[22:58] <glestrade> jhutchins: I remember there being some snap packages, including wine like I said... most looked familiar tbh
[22:58] <glestrade> no executables
[23:00] <glestrade> let's turn it into a generic question, when would processes create loopback devices
[23:00] <oerheks> loopback devices, probable snaps
[23:01] <glestrade> assuming it's just the normal functioning of some program
[23:01] <oerheks> but i am sure you read that in that loopback device name description
[23:01] <glestrade> i can't be sure of anything at this point
[23:02] <glestrade> lol
[23:05] <glestrade> well, top doesn't show anything crazy, I'm probably worried about nothing
[23:05] <jhutchins> You can't be sure of anything with snaps or flatpaks.
[23:32] <shadow_master_> hi. when I close a program, I see that the program still consumes memory, and then UI will block.
[23:32] <shadow_master_> this state will remain for about 15 minutes and finally, the memory comes free. even though my system is weak, I don't have this issue with windows. is there any solution?
[23:33] <jailbreak> shadow_master_: you *could try* sudo killall *name*
[23:33] <cmhobbs> i've got ubuntu 20.04 installed on a macbook pro (via https://github.com/marcosfad/mbp-ubuntu).  if i install xubuntu-desktop via apt, how likely is it to break my install?  i'd like to use xfce but things are generally working so i'm reticent to try to make changes like that if it'll foul things up
[23:38] <oerheks> cmhobbs, adding a desktop should be no issue, removing one is interesting
[23:38] <oerheks> i would do a fresh xubuntu install, no clutter from gnome
[23:42] <cmhobbs> well sure
[23:42] <cmhobbs> that's just more effort than i can undertake at the moment
[23:42] <cmhobbs> thanks for the info
[23:43] <cmhobbs> i don't need to remove gnome necessarily, i just want to use xfce
[23:45] <jailbreak> cmhobbs: then just apt install xubuntu-desktop, solved. :-)
[23:46] <bm> https://imgur.com/8lgneio - any workaround, guys? ;)
[23:46] <bm> On desktop you can just press the context menu keyboard key, but laptops have no such feature.
[23:47] <oerheks> ehm you click on 0 bytes files?
[23:47] <oerheks> good luck with that
[23:48] <sarnold> bm: can you click to the left of the file icons?
[23:48] <bm> sarnold: it does nothing, doesn't open the menu :)
[23:48] <sarnold> bm: lol
[23:48] <bm> oerheks: $ touch {1..99}
[23:49] <sarnold> bm: well, I'm glad my intuition about it doing something *different* wasn't entirely wrong, but that's not useful at all...
[23:49] <alpha7025[m]> I thought it was a 2 finger click or a long press or something
[23:50] <sarnold> bm: okay.. how about right-clicking on the 'name' header at the top?
[23:50] <bm> sarnold: it opens a menu where you can select which columns to show ;)
[23:51] <dobbicorp> is there an alternative to ssh's -b param but for ssh-copy-id ?
[23:51] <bm> sarnold: also tried: clicking the scroll bar (does nothing), breadcrumbs (opens something else)
[23:51] <dobbicorp> i need to pass origin ip to ssh-copy-id
[23:53] <sarnold> bm: you could poke around https://extensions.gnome.org/# and see if someone's made an extension to fix this.. the extensions there can have wildly different qualities, so don't go adding a bunch all at once
[23:54] <bm> I love that this system hasn't been upgraded for like 2 years now. Today I installed a new one on a different machine, updated it, thought "well, it MUST have been fixed by now, somebody must have noticed and added something trivial like a margin below the last row". Nope, still there :)))
[23:54] <dobbicorp> Usage: /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id [-h|-?|-f|-n] [-i [identity_file]] [-p port] [[-o <ssh -o options>] ...]
[23:55] <dobbicorp> how do i pass -o params?
[23:55] <dobbicorp> i need to pass binding_address
[23:56] <cmhobbs> thanks, folks
[23:59] <bm> Also another genius bug is graying out the "Always on top" option in window context menu when the window is maximized. I love how somebody actually put effort into that :)))))


[16:47] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: jcastro heads up meeting moved towards late in the day sorry, had conflict come up.
[16:47] <marcoceppi_> rick_h_: thanks, I should be able to make it but I might be roaming a bit
[16:48] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: understand, apologies for the change
[16:48] <marcoceppi_> rick_h_: no worries
[16:48] <marcoceppi_> I should be able to join via phone
[17:01] <jcastro> rick_h_, no worries, I mean, it's only at the end of the day on a friday
[17:01] <jcastro> j/k it's fine
[17:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: or see you in cape town :)
[18:13] <frankban> uiteam: tox branch is ready: https://codereview.appspot.com/189580044 is anyone available for reviewing it? thanks!