[16:25] <trevor_s> also trijntje if you are still around thanks for you help man... i made some good progress here
[16:25] <EriC^^> Sayona1: boot into recovery mode and remove nvidia
[16:25] <Sayona1> yes if I remove nvidia work
[16:25] <trevor_s> EriC^^, yes it does... its in the termbin
[16:25] <Sayona1> EriC^^: but why not work anymore?
[16:25] <EriC^^> trevor_s: oh, just noticed
[16:25] <Sayona1> why are a lot of problems with ubuntu?
[16:26] <Sayona1> I think becouse they do a partner with windows
[16:26] <Sayona1> :(((
[16:26] <EriC^^> Sayona1: maybe new kernel doesn't work, or are the headers installed? check apt-cache policy linux-generic
[16:26] <trijntje> trevor_s: no problem, I hope its working now
[16:26] <Sayona1> is the last .iso on site
[16:26] <trevor_s> trijntje, it works... just have to manually boot to it
[16:26] <trevor_s> which wont be kosher for client
[16:26] <Sayona1> EriC^^: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=14.04.4&architecture=amd64
[16:27] <Sayona1> this I download
[16:27] <trevor_s> i'm a big step closer though
[16:27] <EriC^^> trevor_s: does sudo mount /dev/mapper/sda7_crypt /mnt work?
[16:28] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it executed but i didn't see anythin ghappen
[16:28] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, try ls /mnt , is ubuntu there?
[16:28] <trevor_s> EriC^^, define 'ubuntu' in that statement
[16:29] <EriC^^> /boot /etc /root /home /bin ....
[16:29] <trevor_s> yes sir
[16:29] <trevor_s> its there
[16:30] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[16:32] <trevor_s> EriC^^, says no such file or directory
[16:32] <EriC^^> for which
[16:33] <EriC^^> which dirs?
[16:33] <trevor_s> it just generically tells me that after command execution
[16:34] <EriC^^> trevor_s: try sudo mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
[16:34] <trevor_s> i should do this from the /mnt directory
[16:34] <EriC^^> it doesn't matter
[16:34] <trevor_s> that executed
[16:34] <EriC^^> sudo mount -B /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[16:35] <trevor_s> EriC^^, that executed... you realize this is creating a /mnt directory within /mnt, right?
[16:36] <EriC^^> no, there's already a /mnt dir there (for the ubuntu install)
[16:36] <trevor_s> oh ok
[16:36] <EriC^^> try sudo mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
[16:36] <EriC^^> same for /sys and /run
[16:36] <trevor_s> that worked
[16:36] <trevor_s> do sys and run too?
[16:36] <EriC^^> holy
[16:36] <EriC^^> lol hold on
[16:37] <Simplar> Hello. I'd like to downgrade my PHP version to PHP 5.3.29 on Ubuntu 14.04. How do I do it properly?
[16:37] <EriC^^> i forgot we're doing this from the actual install
[16:37] <trevor_s> yikes
[16:37] <EriC^^> thought we were doing it from a live usb
[16:37] <EriC^^> lol i think it's best if you just reboot
[16:38] <trevor_s> will all this data ive mounted go away or do i need to keep it>?
[16:38] <EriC^^> and we'll do what we need to do pretty easily and quickly
[16:38] <nacc> Simplar: why would you want to do that? it's not really possible w/in ubuntu. You'd need to find a PPA (and undrsetand that it's not supported then) or build from source (also not supported)
[16:38] <EriC^^> trevor_s: no it's ok, it'll just unmount
[16:38] <trevor_s> cool
[16:38] <ratrace> Simplar: PHP 5.3 has been long time unsupported
[16:38] <EriC^^> ubuntu-ception
[16:39] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok we're back
[16:39] <nacc> Simplar: if you really need 5.3 and want "support", you should use precise, i think (but note that it's going EOL soonish)
[16:39] <nacc> Simplar: i guess not that soon, but still
[16:39] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi{,.backup}
[16:41] <EriC^^> trevor_s: check that it copied it with ls -l /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw*
[16:41] <EriC^^> should have a bootmgfw.efi.backup file now
[16:41] <EriC^^> too
[16:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^, rgr that. its there
[16:42] <trijntje> How do I file a bug against wifi?
[16:43] <ratrace> nacc: well, this time next year :)
[16:44] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[16:45] <nacc> ratrace: :)
[16:45] <uatec> hi there
[16:45] <trevor_s> ok
[16:46] <uatec> i've just install 15.10, and after my initial start up, whenever i try to log back in, i just get my wallpaper, and nothing else
[16:46] <uatec> no icons, no menu bar, nothing
[16:46] <trevor_s> EriC^^, that seems pretty gangster
[16:46] <trevor_s> interested to see the outcome
[16:46] <uatec> twice i managed to fix this by deleting ~/.config, but that no longer works. Does anybody know how to resolve this problem?
[16:47] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo nano /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[16:47] <EriC^^> trevor_s: there's a line in a the middle that has efibootmgr.efi , make it efibootmgr.efi.backup (so grub knows what to look for to add windows to its list)
[16:48] <jhutchins> Why is the screensaver enabled on the installer?
[16:49] <yray> hi guys, can someone maybe be kind and take a few seconds and tell me what the command: "sudo modprobe nf_conntrack_pptp" does exactly?
[16:49] <yray> please?
[16:49] <EriC^^> jhutchins: maybe for live session purposes or something or persistent live usbs?
[16:49] <ioria> uatec Guest Account works ?
[16:49] <jhutchins> yray: It should load the nf_conntrack_pptp kernel module.
[16:50] <EriC^^> jhutchins: i think the default pass is ubuntu
[16:50] <jhutchins> EriC^^: Ah, Yes, I loaded the live version and ran the installer from there.
[16:50] <yray> which does what. I mean I need to know what that kernel module does and if it brings about some insecurities
[16:50] <yray> ?
[16:50] <jhutchins> yray: That would be a netfilter connection tracking module for point-to-point tunneling protocol.
[16:50] <yray> ok, so loading it is not insecure?
[16:51] <uatec> ioria, no. The guest account flickers a bit ad then returns to the login screen
[16:51] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it was just bootmgfw.efi
[16:51] <trevor_s> not efibootmgr.efi
[16:51] <trevor_s> all good?
[16:51] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ah, yeah
[16:51] <ioria> uatec  fresh install ?
[16:51] <jhutchins> yray: Not inherently, no, it would require that the module be configured in the nefilter/iptables configuration.
[16:51] <trevor_s> cool
[16:51] <uatec> ioria, about 2 hours old
[16:51] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah, run sudo update-grub
[16:52] <yray> ok thanks
[16:52] <ioria> uatec  what's your specs ?  cpu, ram video card
[16:52] <uatec> ioria, but i first noticed it after i rebooted about 15 minutes after the first boot
[16:52] <trevor_s> EriC^^, done
[16:52] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, try rebooting
[16:53] <uatec> it's a virtual machine running in Parallels on a mac, 6 gig of ram, 256 graphics
[16:53] <uatec> so that manifests as an 8core i7 (which is is)
[16:53] <EriC^^> trevor_s: btw sometimes windows might overwrite the bootmgfw.efi again when it updates, so you'd have to rename it again, also if os-prober installs a new version of that 20microsoft file you'll have to edit the file again for grub
[16:53] <trevor_s> EriC^^, it goes directly to windows
[16:53] <EriC^^> trevor_s: wow
[16:54] <ioria> uatec  oh, sorry not very good with Vm and mac
[16:54] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, there's still another file
[16:54] <trevor_s> lol
[16:54] <EriC^^> trevor_s: try sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi{,.backup}
[16:54] <EriC^^> then sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi
[16:54] <uatec> ioria, i don't think it's anything to do with that. I've been running debian on here for about 6 months with the same set up. and it was working
[16:54] <uatec> it's just chosen not to load up my desktop environment
[16:55] <uatec> i've see people reporting the same issue on google, that's how i found that deleting ~/.config worked
[16:55] <uatec> but that's stopped working now
[16:55] <ioria> uatec  unity , right ?
[16:55] <uatec> yup, completely default
[16:56] <ioria> uatec  try to install lubuntu-desktop, just for try
[16:56] <ioria> uatec  open a console and sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[16:56] <uatec> yup, doing that now
[16:57] <uatec> never heard of lubuntu before
[16:57] <pnwise> btw xsreensaver worked for my xset problem, havent tested if it will survive reboot tho
[16:57] <ioria> uatec  it's lxde
[16:57] <uatec> i see
[16:58] <ioria> uatec  from the login screen, click on the little ubuntu-logo, change Session and select lubuntu/lxde
[16:58] <scalper> i have i boot ubuntu from usb to try it, it asks for a login and password, what do i need to enter?
[16:59] <EriC^^> scalper: enter the password ubuntu
[16:59] <scalper> and login?
[16:59] <EriC^^> scalper: which ubuntu is it? unity?
[16:59] <uatec> yup, still downloading, i live in one of the richest cities in the world, and have internet like it's trickling out of a muddy stream in the desert
[16:59] <EriC^^> login ubuntu
[16:59] <scalper> EriC^^: invalid password it says
[16:59] <scalper> caps?
[16:59] <ioria> uatec  hehe, it happens
[17:00] <EriC^^> scalper: is it ubuntu unity or lubuntu xubuntu etc?
[17:00] <ioria> uatec  when it ends, sudo service lightdm restart
[17:00] <scalper> EriC^^: i will try google
[17:01] <trevor_s> EriC^^, done.. do i need to update grub or anything?
[17:01] <trevor_s> or just reboot
[17:01] <EriC^^> trevor_s: just reboot
[17:01] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok i get grub with Windows loader being the third option... then it gives me grub again
[17:02] <trevor_s> and only gives ubuntu option
[17:02] <trevor_s> lol
[17:02] <EriC^^> trevor_s: when you press windows it gives you grub again?
[17:02] <scalper> EriC^^: if i login with login ubuntu and a blank password it is accepted but later it will prompt again the login dialog to ask for a password
[17:02] <EriC^^> trevor_s: well it's progress i guess
[17:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: boot ubuntu and ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:03] <EriC^^> trevor_s: and cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:03] <trevor_s> sorry i take that back
[17:04] <scalper> EriC^^: maybe the disk isnt burned right since it shouldnt ask for a password
[17:04] <trevor_s> i get grub... if i select ubuntu it takes me to ubuntu
[17:04] <Gallomimia> is this a common occurrence today? E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/ubuntu.com/packages/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_45.0.1+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
[17:04] <trevor_s> if i select windows... i get grub again
[17:04] <scalper> EriC^^: i start up from another usb
[17:04] <scalper> 32bit
[17:04] <scalper> lol
[17:04] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, boot ubuntu and run the commands
[17:04] <uatec> ioria: so i CAN log in to lxde
[17:04] <scalper> 32bit i386 iso
[17:04] <ioria> uatec  interesting ....
[17:04] <EriC^^> scalper: did you checksum the iso?
[17:05] <ioria> uatec  /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[17:05] <EriC^^> scalper: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103896/live-cd-asks-for-a-username-and-password
[17:06] <scalper> EriC^^: hmm, the other try ubuntu usb stick also asks for a password and when i enter login ubuntu with a blank password it's dialog will popup again, so the iso's are right, i'm sure of that
[17:06] <scalper> wtf
[17:06] <uatec> ioria: green all around
[17:06] <ioria> uatec   and sudo lshw -c Video
[17:06] <uatec> it's not an X problem or a graphics problem, it's a Unity configuration problem, Unity's Just in a mood
[17:07] <ioria> uatec   likely
[17:07] <uatec> https://www.dropbox.com/s/x8yk99qi7cy6rib/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.07.16.png?dl=0
[17:07] <scalper> EriC^^: what can be the problem?
[17:08] <trevor_s> EriC^^,  termbin.com/ici9
[17:08] <ioria> uatec   maybe you should talk with some vm/parallel guru ...
[17:08] <trevor_s> EriC^^, termbin.com/uv3r
[17:08] <scalper> EriC^^: i need to access the filesystem in order to backup files, i can't get into ubuntu from a try cd
[17:08] <scalper> dvd/usbstick whatever
[17:08] <uatec> i'm 100% convinced it's nothing to do with virtualization
[17:08] <scalper> how can i access the filesystem?
[17:08] <EriC^^> scalper: try to create a user from ctrl+alt+f2 then sudo adduser newuser
[17:08] <EriC^^> and alt+f7 to get to gui and login
[17:09] <uatec> WOAH, some weird key combo did this:
[17:09] <uatec> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6mork1zj6cushy/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.08.54.png?dl=0
[17:09] <uatec> opened libreword or something. So clearly have some behaviour, but Unity isn't startingit's menus
[17:09] <uatec> or it's window manager
[17:10] <ioria> uatec  not loading ....
[17:10] <EriC^^> trevor_s: it doesn't make much sense why it's doing that
[17:10] <uatec> oh, it's big, still uploading
[17:10] <EriC^^> trevor_s: the bootmgfw.efi.backup is in fact the windows one, and in grub.cfg it chainloads it
[17:10] <scalper> EriC^^: i can add the user and give it a password etc, but when i login it will popup the login/password dialog again, so unity isn't starting or something
[17:11] <EriC^^> trevor_s: you say after you press windows you get another grub, with no windows entry this time?
[17:11] <heaven> Hello
[17:11] <ioria> uatec  what did that ?
[17:11] <trevor_s> EriC^^, no, windows is there
[17:11] <heaven> You used xubuntu + gnome?
[17:11] <uatec> i don't remember
[17:11] <uatec> , so now I killed my .Xauthority file, and restarted X, now I have icons when I login
[17:12] <uatec> but again, no window manager. And Word has opened itself agian
[17:12] <scalper_> EriC^^: i need this laptop within 2 hours for a bussines meeting
[17:12] <scalper_> EriC^: is there another tool that could access my filesystem that i could easy download and make bootable to usb?
[17:12] <ioria> uatec   ls -l  ~/.Xauthority
[17:12] <scalper_> (got disconnected)
[17:12] <heaven> Has anyone here used ubuntu with gnome ?
[17:12] <uatec> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ptq82ng3r9m8gi/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.12.47.png?dl=0
[17:13] <uatec> thats a newly created file though
[17:13] <EriC^^> trevor_s: type sudo nano /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[17:13] <EriC^^> and remove the .backup and then sudo update-grub
[17:13] <EriC^^> scalper: try to login there
[17:13] <EriC^^> ubuntu + blank pass
[17:13] <EriC^^> scalper: worse case scenario use the tty to copy your stuff
[17:13] <ioria> uatec   ls -l  ~/.ICEauthority
[17:13] <uatec> same permissions
[17:13] <EriC^^> scalper_: yeah you could download an iso using wget, and use dd to write to the usb
[17:14] <EriC^^> scalper_: try in the ctrl+alt+f2 DISPLAY=:1 startx unity
[17:14] <ioria> uatec  log out, login unity again (select the right session)
[17:14] <EriC^^> scalper_: it won't be a very stable xsession though i think, so just make ends meet to get your files or whatnot
[17:15] <trevor_s> update-grub or update-grub2
[17:15] <rob0> EriC^^, isn't that "startx -- :1 [args]"?
[17:15] <EriC^^> trevor_s: update-grub
[17:15] <uatec> ioria , i've done that a number of times
[17:15] <EriC^^> rob0: potato potatou i guess
[17:15] <EriC^^> haha :D
[17:16] <uatec> killing .Xauthority got me icons and that word processor, but no menus or window manager
[17:16] <EriC^^> rob0: actually it doesn't work here
[17:16] <scalper_> EriC^^: i'm blessed with a bootable cd from norton ghost 12
[17:16] <EriC^^> startx unity works pretty ok though
[17:16] <EriC^^> scalper_: nice
[17:16] <ioria> uatec  you mean no launcher and no panel at top, right ?
[17:17] <scalper_> EriC^^: i try startx unity
[17:17] <uatec> exactly
[17:17] <uatec> but i've justrestarted and even THEY have gone
[17:17] <EriC^^> scalper_: you need to put DISPLAY=:1 startx unity
[17:17] <rob0> ah, you're right, that does work
[17:17] <ioria> uatec  did you check the iso before install ?
[17:17] <EriC^^> scalper_: then it'll be on alt+f8 instead of alt+f7
[17:18] <trevor_s> EriC^^, with that selecting windows makes grub load even faster... was a pause before
[17:18] <uatec> no i didn't
[17:18] <scalper_> EriC^^: alt f8 returns a black empty screen with a: -
[17:18] <uatec> oh bummer look at the time
[17:18] <uatec> thanks for the help, but i've got to shoot
[17:18] <uatec> i'll try again another time
[17:18] <EriC^^> trevor_s: aha, that's so odd
[17:18] <scalper_> if i use startx unity from the console where i did add the user, it will not start, connection to xserver lost
[17:18] <ioria> uatec  ok
[17:19] <EriC^^> trevor_s: actually it's not odd
[17:19] <EriC^^> trevor_s: we need to switch the bootmgfw.efi files
[17:19] <uatec> interesting, i get this in .xsession-errors https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwbsq98dodu7sto/Screenshot%202016-04-08%2018.18.15.png?dl=0
[17:19] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:20] <DANI111> uj
[17:21] <jhutchins> Great.  Installer crashed claiming a read-only filesystem.
[17:21] <ph88> hey guys, my laptop doesnt see the wifi network, when i start the same laptop with windows (dual-boot) i can see the network and connect no problem, how to diagnose ?
[17:21] <EriC^^> scalper_: did you put DISPLAY=:1 at the start?
[17:21] <scalper_> EriC^^: no
[17:21] <ioria> uatec  give a look at '3'  http://askubuntu.com/questions/614997/no-dash-or-menu-after-upgrading-from-ubuntu-14-10-to-15-04
[17:21] <EriC^^> scalper_: put it
[17:21] <scalper_> EriC^^: where do i need to put that
[17:21] <EriC^^> scalper_: at the start of the line
[17:21] <EriC^^> or type export DISPLAY=:1
[17:21] <ph88> channel is 13 by the way
[17:21] <EriC^^> then type startx unity
[17:21] <ioria> uatec  or try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:21] <jhutchins> ph88: Need to determine the chipset of the wifi, find out what files you need (probably firmware).  Search for ubuntu + chipset and see what you find.
[17:22] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ok done
[17:22] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok try rebooting
[17:22] <trevor_s> EriC^^, now im confused as to what files are where...etc
[17:22] <trevor_s> lol
[17:22] <EriC^^> trevor_s: now just the /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi is switched
[17:22] <EriC^^> the rest is pretty much default
[17:23] <trevor_s> EriC^^, straight to windows
[17:23] <EriC^^> that sucks
[17:23] <sayona1> :(( how I install nvidia driver for my GeForce Nvidia 740M without haveing problems? please help me
[17:23] <EriC^^> so basically it somehow needs both the bootx64.efi and bootmgfw.efi to be switched
[17:23] <EriC^^> but it wont load windows from grub
[17:23] <uatec> no luck just reinstalling ubuntu desktop
[17:23] <EriC^^> trevor_s: that's one tough hp
[17:24] <EriC^^> :D
[17:24] <trevor_s> some guy in linux told me to try update-grub using livecd
[17:24] <EriC^^> trevor_s: TJ- has a lot of knowledge on uefi maybe he can help
[17:24] <EriC^^> trevor_s: nah
[17:24] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[17:24] <trevor_s> he also suggested i install linux first
[17:24] <trevor_s> which... ya i dont know
[17:24] <scalper_> EriC^^: so i hit ctrl+alt+f2 then i hit export DISPLAY=:1 and then i add the user? that sequence?
[17:25] <EriC^^> scalper_: no first do sudo adduser newuser
[17:25] <EriC^^> then export DISPLAY=:1
[17:25] <trevor_s> EriC^^, is there anything i should change to make this default?
[17:25] <EriC^^> then startx unity
[17:25] <trevor_s> EriC^^, i need to be able to reproduce this
[17:25] <uatec> ioria, no luck with compizconfig either
[17:26] <ioria> uatec  i see
[17:26] <EriC^^> trevor_s: you mean you want to convert it back to default right?
[17:26] <TJ-> EriC^^: what is the crux?
[17:26] <scalper_> eric
[17:26] <scalper_> i can't get loading the xserver so i keep in the bash
[17:26] <trevor_s> EriC^^, ya i guess
[17:27] <trevor_s> i mean... at least know what was changed so i get grub
[17:27] <scalper_> eric: the videodrivers are ok because the login prompt is in the gui
[17:27] <ph88> jhutchins, chipset is fine because i can connect to other wifi networks, i think it's because of channel 13 which is not used in USA (but i'm in europe)
[17:27] <scalper_> eric: the laptop is just an acer laptop from 2011
[17:27] <EriC^^> TJ-: long story short, hp envy, boots straight to windows, disabling windows boot entry didn't cut it, switching bootmgfw.efi didn't either, switching bootmgfw.efi and bootx64.efi gives a grub menu, but selecting windows brings up grub again after a pause (the windows efi is properly in grub.cfg though)
[17:28] <ioria> uatec   mv ~/.compiz  ~/compiz.backup
[17:28] <scalper_> EriC^^: what can i do now
[17:29] <EriC^^> trevor_s: i'm confused you want to make grub boot but windows doesn't boot from grub like it was a while ago?
[17:29] <TJ-> EriC^^: easiest answer first: GRUB in EFI mode with a Windows entry in its menu will ask the system firmware to boot the entry... so with you having switched the files around you go straight back into GRUB :)
[17:29] <EriC^^> TJ-: i know, but we switched os-prober's 20microsoft to look for the windows bootmgfw.efi.backup file
[17:30] <EriC^^> and it's properly in grub.cfg, it just seems to pause for a second, then boot grub again
[17:30] <scalper_> eric: my Ubuntu is stuck in a login loop when trying to enter my desktop. When I login, the screen gets black and soon after that the login screen comes back.
[17:30] <trevor_s> EriC^^, right now i go straight to windows without grub... maybe that is best for now
[17:30] <EriC^^> scalper_: you need to copy your data off it?
[17:30] <trevor_s> i just need this to be as default as possible so i can recreate this in a production environment... dare i say it
[17:30] <trevor_s> thats what is going to happen
[17:31] <TJ-> EriC^^:  trevor_s as to GRUB's /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi being ignored... smells to me like one of those systems where you have to 'bless' the GRUB efi file itself. If it is, enter the system's firmware set-up, look for a Security menu, and towards the lower end of that should be an option along the lines of "Trust file" ... it opens a file-chooser showing files in the EFI system partition. Navigate to
[17:31] <TJ-> /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi, choose it. Then the system should agree to use it.
[17:31] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok, type sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi.backup /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi
[17:31] <EriC^^> that should leave all the files like they were, just with extra .backup files there
[17:32] <TJ-> EriC^^: but if the system hasn't Trusted that 'backup' file location, it'll ignore it, like it ignores grubx64.efi
[17:32] <EriC^^> also make sure /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft has bootmgfw.efi as it is default and sudo update-grub was run
[17:33] <TJ-> trevor_s: what's the make/model of the PC?
[17:33] <trevor_s> wait a second... this is weird... if i manually select unbuntu efi entry in the system uefi boot manager(escape-f10) and then get to grub... the windows entry works and takes me to bitlocker
[17:33] <trevor_s> how its set up now
[17:33] <trevor_s> but if i just let the machine boot... it goes straight to bitlocker
[17:33] <TJ-> trevor_s: as in, which model number, I know 'HP Envy' but that covers a wide range of devices
[17:33] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah it's using the bootmgfw.efi right now
[17:33] <Gallomimia> why am i getting a 404 error for downloading the firefox update on this mirror?
[17:34] <EriC^^> it doesn't like that we called it bootmgfw.efi.backup
[17:34] <Gallomimia> is it common? can i get it on a different mirror?
[17:34] <TJ-> trevor_s: that is because the EFI Boot Manager has a default entry set, which will be Windows.
[17:34] <TJ-> trevor_s: That will always boot if you don't access the manual boot device selection menu
[17:34] <trevor_s> TJ-,  envy 13-d010nr
[17:35] <TJ-> trevor_s: I'll see if I can find the firmware it has
[17:36] <trevor_s> TJ-, that option of trusted file in the firmware doesn't exist
[17:36] <EriC^^> trevor_s: is secureboot enabled?
[17:37] <EriC^^> why should it care what the file name is anyways
[17:37] <EriC^^> TJ-: doesn't it check some other stuff, what's a filename to it?
[17:37] <EriC^^> kind of silly
[17:38] <trevor_s> TJ-, the firmware is InsydeH20 setup utility rev. 5.0
[17:38] <trevor_s> if that helps
[17:38] <scalper_> EriC^^: i give it up i just format the entire drive
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: ok, did you check
[17:39] <trevor_s> might be InsydeH2o
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: what, why?
[17:39] <scalper_> EriC^^: cause i can't get in the filesystem
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: check first if the guest account works if it does it's just a user config issue
[17:39] <EriC^^> scalper_: you can
[17:39] <scalper_> i wanted to format it anyways but first i wanted to backup some parts of the hdd
[17:40] <EriC^^> ok
[17:40] <TJ-> trevor_s: right. It has a Security tab
[17:40] <EriC^^> scalper_: how'd you format it?
[17:40] <scalper_> EriC^^: ubuntu <empty password> works but it just a problem of the desktop that wouldnt show up
[17:40] <sayona1> Uff
[17:40] <scalper_> EriC^^: i just install windows 10 first, after that i dualboot windows
[17:40] <sayona1> no seriously how I fix my nvidia cards? how I install nvidia driver correctly... becouse give me blackscreen
[17:41] <trevor_s> TJ-, i have 5 options in security tab.  administrator password, power-on password, tpm device(which i have hidden), intel software guard extensions(disabled), and Restore security settings to factory defaults
[17:42] <EriC^^> scalper_: ok, for what it's worth you could still get your stuff back if windows just erased the partition and didn't actually format it
[17:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^, sorry didn't see that.  secure boot is disabled
[17:42] <trevor_s> EriC^^, maybe try enabling it?
[17:43] <EriC^^> trevor_s: maybe, yeah
[17:43] <trevor_s> EriC^^, straight to bitlocker
[17:44] <EriC^^> trevor_s: ok boot ubuntu again
[17:45] <EriC^^> if you still have the .backup files run sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:45] <EriC^^> (no need for caps fat32 isn't case-sensitive by default)
[17:46] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[17:46] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo sed -i 's/bootmgfw.efi/bootmgfw.efi.backup/' /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[17:47] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then try sudo update-grub and try rebooting
[17:49] <trevor_s> EriC^^, that gives me grub
[17:49] <EriC^^> ok, press e over the windows entry
[17:49] <trevor_s> when i select windows says 'could not install security protocol: (2) invalid parameter
[17:50] <trevor_s> blue screen with Ok as my only option
[17:50] <EriC^^> and see if it says chainloader /boot/efi/...bootmgfw.efi.backup
[17:50] <trevor_s> then when i hit enter is says something has gone seriously wrong with shim something or other
[17:50] <trevor_s> then the computer shuts down
[17:50] <EriC^^> trevor_s: lol
[17:51] <EriC^^> ok, try pressing e, if it says .backup, try replacing the line with /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi.backup
[17:51] <trevor_s> chainloader /EFI.Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[17:51] <EriC^^> aha
[17:51] <EriC^^> add .backup to that line
[17:51] <EriC^^> and press ctrl+x
[17:51] <EriC^^> it should be .backup already if you ran the sed command and then update-grub
[17:52] <EriC^^> unless grub is using some other file somehow
[17:52] <trevor_s> something has gone seriously wrong again
[17:52] <trevor_s> when selecting windows
[17:52] <EriC^^> trevor_s: did you add .backup to it then press ctrl+x ?
[17:52] <trevor_s> it says .efi again
[17:53] <EriC^^> ^
[17:53] <trevor_s> ya, i added and pressed ctrl x
[17:53] <EriC^^> oh
[17:53] <EriC^^> bummer
[17:53] <trevor_s> its back to just .efi though
[17:53] <EriC^^> try /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi.backup
[17:53] <EriC^^> yeah it's a one time edit
[17:54] <EriC^^> any luck?
[17:54] <trevor_s> said file not found
[17:54] <trevor_s> it wont even let me save that
[17:55] <EriC^^> that's odd
[17:55] <trevor_s> wait
[17:55] <trevor_s> sorry
[17:55] <trevor_s> i didn't use bootx64
[17:55] <trevor_s> i just added /boot/efi/
[17:56] <EriC^^> oh
[17:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: trevor_s finally found a photo I archived showing the 'Trust' option: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/UEFI-InsydeH20-Trust-Bootloader-File.jpg
[17:57] <trevor_s> wtf
[17:57] <trevor_s> why dont i see that
[17:58] <TJ-> trevor_s: Do you have Secure Boot disabled? If so, try enabling it :D
[17:58] <trevor_s> i have it enabled now
[17:58] <EriC^^> TJ-: ah yes, 40 yards below the quarterback, is it?
[17:58] <TJ-> trevor_s: once you've 'trusted' the boot files, you can disable Secure Boot again
[17:58] <EriC^^> haha
[17:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: I treasure that photo! Took me about 4 hours with the user having the problem last year, and lots of photos of the Setup, to solve his issue!
[17:59] <ubuntu838> Hello, i'm running a server, and server closes when i close the terminal, i downloaded screen, after running the server via screen can i simply close the terminal?
[17:59] <trevor_s> TJ my secure boot setting is under system configuration
[17:59] <trevor_s> and i can only enable or disable it
[17:59] <trevor_s> its enabled now
[18:00] <TJ-> trevor_s: Hmmm, looks like HP may have done some 'customisation' of their version then
[18:00] <trevor_s> there is a platform key underneath that... that says 'enrolled' but i cant seem to change its setting
[18:00] <TJ-> trevor_s: is there anything on a "Boot" menu that might cause these options to show up?
[18:01] <trevor_s> yes
[18:01] <trevor_s> uefi boot order
[18:01] <trevor_s> under that it says OS boot manager
[18:01] <trevor_s> and i can select windows boot manager or ubuntu
[18:01] <trevor_s> i would imagine i should change this to ubuntu
[18:01] <trevor_s> wow
[18:01] <trevor_s> if this is it...
[18:01] <TJ-> trevor_s: right, so that is selecting the 'default' I would think
[18:01] <TJ-> trevor_s: you can also set the 'default' using efibootmgr from Linux
[18:02] <EriC^^> ubuntu838: yeah closing the terminal should keep the session open, screen -ls to list them, screen -r to resume
[18:02] <trevor_s> time to take secure boot off i think
[18:02] <trevor_s> keep getting blue screen for windows
[18:02] <Sayona1> Hi, i have laptop with intel and nvidia.  If that don't get fixed in 16.04 I will just ditch it
[18:05] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo sed -i 's/bootmgfw.efi.backup/bootmgfw.efi/' /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> R.I.P
[18:05] <elky> GamesbydoTV: stop.
[18:05] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then sudo update-grub
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> blabla
[18:05] <GamesbydoTV> i can't stop
[18:06] <EriC^^> pnwise: what's the command do anyways?
[18:06] <GamesbydoTV> yes yes yes go away
[18:06] <elky> GamesbydoTV: please read the guidelines in the topic or go
[18:06] <EriC^^> pnwise: you're trying to get it to turn the screen off every x-mins?
[18:06] <Sayona1> 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1)
[18:07] <GamesbydoTV> ahoj
[18:07] <GamesbydoTV> jsem čech zmrdi
[18:07] <hggdh> GamesbydoTV: please stop
[18:08] <trevor_s> EriC^^, straight to bitlocker
[18:08] <EriC^^> GamesbydoTV: please continue
[18:08] <EriC^^> (reverse psychology)
[18:08] <pnwise> EriC^^, yes, but nothing survives reboot and wont accept anything from scripts. Last time I was looking into this there was bug with many people, I need to dig that out
[18:08] <EriC^^> GamesbydoTV: troll more please
[18:08] <hggdh> EriC^^: please do not engage trolls
[18:09] <trevor_s> YES!
[18:09] <trevor_s> i had to go back into bios and make ubuntu the default again for some reason
[18:10] <trevor_s> but i get grub now and can select ubuntu or windows
[18:10] <EriC^^> hggdh: ..
[18:10] <trevor_s> holy shit thanks EriC^^  and J-   !!!!!
[18:11] <elky> EriC^^: asking a troll to troll more isn't something we want to happen here. especially while we're trying to get them to stop.
[18:11] <trevor_s> not sure why i thought i needed lvm's.... made everything much more comoplicated
[18:11] <EriC^^> pnwise: there's a command for it "xset s on"
[18:11] <EriC^^> elky: yeah, it was a joke about reverse psychology
[18:11] <hggdh> trevor_s: please mind your language
[18:12] <EriC^^> point noted though
[18:12] <trevor_s> hggdh, sorry sir. wont happen again
[18:12] <hggdh> trevor_s: thank you
[18:13] <EriC^^> trevor_s: awesome!
[18:13] <EriC^^> TJ-: nice work!
[18:13] <pnwise> EriC^^, And why would you think if xset dpms don't work xset s will ?
[18:14] <EriC^^> pnwise: cause it's worked for me in another os from ~/.profile , it's worth a shot
[18:14] <EriC^^> pnwise: try xset s <seconds til screensaver>
[18:15] <EriC^^> pnwise: you could always use xautolock i think that's the name
[18:15] <EriC^^> it can run any command you give it after inactivity for some time
[18:15] <trevor_s> EriC^^, i know you are probably sick of this... but how do i make windows the top entry in grub? or modify how many seconds until it automatically selects it?
[18:16] <EriC^^> trevor_s: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[18:16] <EriC^^> set the GRUB_DEFAULT='Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sda4)'
[18:16] <EriC^^> and GRUB_TIMEOUT to the countdown seconds
[18:17] <EriC^^> TJ-: you can also use GRUB_DEFAULT='osprober-efi-B44E-AD5C' right?
[18:17] <TJ-> EriC^^: I believe default will work with titles, labels, and index number of entry
[18:18] <TJ-> EriC^^: but I've found it can be hit-n-miss if you use textual defaults :)
[18:18] <EriC^^> yeah, that's from his grub.cfg
[18:18] <EriC^^> i was thinking if it would matter at all for a production type of thing where he wants to clone stuff
[18:19] <EriC^^> i guess using the label here would be better
[18:20] <Guest65587> ???
[18:20] <GamesbydoTV> hi
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> jste piči nebo co pište!!!
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> vole
[18:21] <hggdh> ...
[18:21] <Myrtti> could you seriously not?
[18:21] <EriC^^> trevor_s: after you edit /etc/default/grub run sudo update-grub
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> píčo
[18:21] <GamesbydoTV> can you hack my???
[18:22] <GamesbydoTV> i'm from czech republick
[18:22] <llwalahoop> Hi! How am I to find dependencies on a package?
[18:22] <GamesbydoTV> hii must go
[18:22] <Myrtti> that's sweet. But do you have a Ubuntu support question, GamesbydoTV?
[18:22] <pbx> !cz| GamesbydoTV
[18:23] <GamesbydoTV> jo jsem cz
[18:23] <GamesbydoTV> ahoj
[18:23] <Myrtti> !cz | GamesbydoTV
[18:24] <le_pig> llwalahoop: apt-cache depends <package>
[18:24] <Ale23> :(
[18:24] <Ale23> ubuntu have big problems with nvidia drivers....
[18:24] <llwalahoop> thanks le_pig !
[18:24] <trevor_s> EriC^^, any way to make windows the TOP listing in grub and the default?
[18:25] <trevor_s> i'm a grub/linux nub
[18:26] <EriC^^> trevor_s: yeah, sudo mv /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober /etc/grub.d/00_os-prober
[18:26] <EriC^^> trevor_s: then sudo update-grub
[18:27] <EriC^^> that's like a workaround to get it to run os-prober before the linux stuff when it's building grub.cfg
[18:27] <trevor_s> interesting
[18:27] <trevor_s> workarounds scare me when going production
[18:27] <trevor_s> this is just test
[18:29] <EriC^^> trevor_s: well technically the /etc/grub.d/README says just that 00_* is for header i'm not sure it's a problem
[18:29] <EriC^^> you could rename it to 06_os-prober to be safe
[18:30] <EriC^^> has to be before 10_linux
[18:35] <trevor_s> EriC^^, again... you're the man. appreciate all the time
[18:35] <trevor_s> even though i think all i had to do was change the default boot manager in bios
[18:39] <EriC^^> trevor_s: no problem
[18:39] <EriC^^> have a good one!
[18:43] <coffeeguy> hey when's the roll-out date for 16.04 LTS?
[18:43] <coffeeguy> is pumped
[18:43] <hggdh> coffeeguy: April 21st
[18:43] <coffeeguy> woohoo!!!
[18:43] <coffeeguy> anything happening on dec 2nd?
[18:44] <coffeeguy> thought there was a thing oh nm that's great hggdh :D
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> coffeeguy  sure you want to be here?
[18:47] <coffeeguy> MonkeyDust, here in #ubunut or...???
[18:48] <en1gma> im running "ubuntu-mate-15.10-desktop-amd64" in live mode off my usb stick. is there a way i can "apt-get update and apt-get upgrade" without it making me restart to make changes go in effect? i mean can i tell ubuntu somehow to update without installing updates that make me restart?
[18:50] <coffeeguy> or do you mean that other channel which i won't mention cause that's against #ubuntu policy
[18:50] <gr1zzlybe4r> What are file permissions for -rw--r--r-
[18:50] <gr1zzlybe4r> ?
[18:50] <h2> hello world! :-)
[18:51] <rob0> 0644 be4r
[18:51] <DANI111> dfsd
[18:52] <rob0> um, that's -rw-r--r--, actually
[18:53] <h2> I'm happy to report that ubuntu 16.04 works just wonderful with the Das Keyboard out out the box. I just got mine in about a hour ago, and everything is just brilliant!! ...Nothing to install, no drivers.... everything just works! (^_^)
[18:53] <pi_> hi
[18:54] <dtoebe> hey guys, I am getting snappy-tools not found on 16.04 (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/) I also looked at the ppa I used from 15.10 and filtered for Xenial, and no snappy-tools build... Is there snappy-tools for xenial yet?
[18:54] <pi_> hallo
[18:54] <h2> Strange... it seems as though the first half of that message is missing lol
[18:54] <pi_> does someone here know raspberry pi?
[18:55] <gr1zzlybe4r> rob0: what's the 3 digit number for that permission?
[18:55] <rob0> 0644 can be shortened to 644
[18:55] <h2> Meh, anyways.... Das Keyboard -> Ubuntu 16.04b --> :-)
[18:55] <pi_> lol
[18:55] <pi_> ich bin noch auf ubuntu 15 ist 16
[18:55] <pi_> gut
[18:56] <gr1zzlybe4r> rob0: thanks
[18:59] <Bres> What is the command to install suggested packages along with NEW packages?... I've tried "apt-get --install-suggests install <package>" but this returns --install is not understood
[19:00] <dtoebe> Bres: apt-get intall <package> --install-recommends
[19:00] <Bres> are recommends the same as suggests?
[19:01] <dtoebe> Bres: Thats what I ave always used...
[19:01] <Bres> ok, thanks
[19:01] <dtoebe> np
[19:04] <Bres> Got it to work... apt-get install <package> --install-suggests --install-recommends    You put me on the right track though so thanks again
[19:05] <dtoebe> Bres, awesome! I I'll try it as well thanks
[19:12] <luist> hey guys, where does Software Center gets it’s app list?
[19:12] <baldpope> sup all - having some trouble installing (or running?) nodejs
[19:13] <\ni> luist, from this file /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:13] <baldpope> i installed nodejs - nodejs returns v5.10.1
[19:13] <luist> \ni: no. this is the repo
[19:13] <luist> not the app list
[19:13] <baldpope> but 'node' gets installed in /etc/alernatives/node
[19:13] <\ni> hmm. sry then
[19:13] <baldpope> or a symlink to it
[19:13] <baldpope> wtf is that?
[19:14] <baldpope> which then is a symlink back to /usr/bin/nodejs
[19:14] <baldpope> but when I run node it complains about /usr/sbin/node doesn't exist - and there is no reference to that anywhere else
[19:15] <dtoebe> baldpope, I use this: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/ it works upto 166.04
[19:16] <dtoebe> ^16.04
[19:16] <baldpope> i'll check it out - ty
[19:16] <baldpope> dtoebe, while not originally from that site - that's the instructions I followed
[19:21] <cosmin> hi
[19:25] <gallo_mobile> when i run fdisk my internal drive have the UUID 0x000000000 but in blkid i get the unique identifiers and they wont mount from my fsyab config
[19:25] <gallo_mobile> running ubuntu 14.04
[19:25] <brainwash> !bash
[19:26] <gallo_mobile> created fstab on another user, created a new user and now drives wont mount on either user
[19:27] <reza_sam> hi ... my laptop connect to internet by wifi ... my seccond pc Does't have wifi.... how Can i ConecT laptop To pc 2 by cable and the end of seccond pc connet to ne?
[19:27] <reza_sam> hi ... my laptop connect to internet by wifi ... my seccond pc Does't have wifi.... how Can i ConecT laptop To pc 2 by cable and the end of seccond pc connet to interneT?
[19:27] <reza_sam> tnx all
[19:29] <ChunkzZ> can anyone explain what this does: "quiet splash acpi_osi=" it's the only way I can get my brightness working on my laptop....asus x501u
[19:29] <reza_sam> tnx all/?
[19:29] <reza_sam> anybody cant help?
[19:29] <mewecoffee> reza_sam: Have you tried this method? The "server" is your laptop with the Wifi http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
 hum wait to check it
[19:30] <Deruni34> hey guys. Is there a program on ubuntu that records screen voice and video at the same time?
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> reza_sam  type me and then hit tab to autocomplete the name
[19:31] <mewecoffee> Otherwise if you don't move your 2nd pc around a lot, you should look at getting a router that can run dd-wrt (custom firmware) and act as a wireless bridge. Connects to your primary router and you can use the ethernet ports as a switch
[19:31] <ChunkzZ> please answer. :)
[19:31] <MonkeyDust> !patience | ChunkzZ
[19:32] <ChunkzZ> lul ok
[19:32] <Deruni34> ChunkzZ: you have to wait for sometime to ask for help again if everyone does that the screen would be full of "pleasee" :)
[19:32] <ChunkzZ> lol :P no worries
[19:33] <ChunkzZ> it's just bugging me.
[19:33] <TGYoshi> Anyone knows a command or simple method like tiffsplit that extracts a single page instead of dumping all to the FS?
 veryyyyyyy  TNX :)
[19:35] <sam__> m
[19:35] <sam__> hi
[19:35] <mewecoffee> reza_sam: no problem
 CAN U HELP mE To Do This From Terminal?
[19:35] <sam__> yeah
[19:35] <sam__> what are you trying to do
[19:37] <mewecoffee> reza_sam: Ahhh that would be harder, I think this guide will help you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EasyWirelessToWiredConnectionSharing
 tnx alot :0
[19:37] <reza_sam> :)
[19:38] <sam__> anyone from netherlands??
[19:38] <jonathan_zz> here
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> does anyone have any experience reading ebooks on Linux? I remember reading bol.com ebooks (adobe epub drm) didn't go very well.
[19:39] <sam__> hi
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> hey daar
[19:39] <Pici> !nl
[19:40] <ChunkzZ> !help
[19:40] <TGYoshi> we even have coffee? how great
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> I remember being able to install a version of the adobe reading in Wine but it didn't work very well and the application kept crashing whenever I tried to search.
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> reader*
[19:41] <dcz> hello guys
[19:41] <dcz> i am trying to use vte while learning vala language. i added using Vte; but it gives me error. How we add it ?
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> I know Callibre is an ereader and I can probably use Wine to use a Windows program to take the DRM off the epubs, but.....
[19:46] <harduim> Hello guys
[19:46] <jonathan_zz> indeed it seems I can just read the DRM free epubs
[19:47] <reza_sam> hi again....i wanna update my sources list but i have some errors...ehat can i do?
[19:47] <MonkeyDust> reza_sam  the errors often contain a clue to solve them
 unable to fetch some archives
[19:49] <Guest96290> thanks everyone
[19:49] <Guest96290> How are we doing today?
[19:49] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:    Okular also does epub, kinda, and I'd think like Adobe, not too sure on that, but Okular opens epubs as pdf snapshots
[19:50] <reza_sam> mewecoffee, i shared my wifi to ethe 0 and in seccond pc i have ping but i cant open pages in brower or install o ipdate my linux :((
[19:50] <harduim> Some with knowledge in systemd could gimme a help?
[19:50] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: yeah it seems I had one unlocked epub and Okular read that, but the other one I had is garbled.
[19:51] <reza_sam> harduim, WHATS WRONG  with u?
[19:52] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: the drm removal tool I have seems to depend on adobe being able to read it lol
[19:53] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:    not sure on how drm works in epubs, but fyi, epubs are just .zip archives with an xml .ncf table of content files and mainly html files in it, pretty much like a .chm file, if you've ever opened/used a .chm file, which are more or less a tarball of html and pictures or videos or whatever else, rendered by the browser's UI
[19:53] <reza_sam> i shared my wifi to ethe 0 and in seccond pc i have ping but i cant open pages in brower or install o ipdate my linux :(( help plz
[19:53] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:    so.. if you change the .epub extension to .zip, it will open right up
[19:54] <\ni> jonathan_zz, are you trying to read stolen books? or?
[19:54] <jonathan_zz> millions of them
[19:54] <jonathan_zz> lol
[19:54] <lorddoskias> hello, i have installed ubuntu using debootstrap : sudo debootstrap wily osmount/ and then used that loop back device (that was mounted under osmount) to boot a virtual machine with qemu. All good, however when i try to install something with apt-get I get : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[19:54] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[19:54] <lorddoskias> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[19:54] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:54] <lorddoskias>
[19:54] <lorddoskias> even if i delete those lock files the next time i execute apt-get i get the same errr?
[19:54] <jonathan_zz> but right now just books I buy.
[19:54] <lorddoskias> I'm logged with root with no password
[19:57] <TJ-> lorddoskias: Check the QEMU --drive docs; I think you'll find it has defaulted to opening the image in read-only mode. Are you able - within the guest - to "touch /test.txt" ?
[19:57] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: adobe digital editions 3.0 doesn't start in Wine these days :p.
[19:57] <harduim> reza_sam, ???
[19:58] <lorddoskias> TJ-: yes i'm able, i'm also able to delete the files
[19:58] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: 4.0 doesn't start either same error I wonder what is wrong now.
[19:58] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:   ok.... I don't recall suggesting it though =)
[19:58] <TJ-> lorddoskias: is there a dpkg lock file ?
[19:58] <lorddoskias> TJ-: also i've mounted /dev/vda as rw
[19:58] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: I will have to get the drm off won't I smartypants ;-).
[19:58] <lorddoskias> there is indeed, which i remove and the next time i run apt comman i get the same error
[19:59] <V7> Hey there !
[19:59] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:     hmm well.... I haven't dealt with drm in epubs myself yet.... so
[19:59] <TJ-> lorddoskias: execute the apt command under control of strace see what is failing
[20:00] <lorddoskias> TJ-: the irony of it is that this is minimal ubuntu with almost no software and i don't have strace :(
[20:00] <baldpope> bbl
[20:00] <lorddoskias> i want to use apt-get to install software :)
[20:02] <ChunkzZ> can anyone explain what this does: "quiet splash acpi_osi=" it's the only way I can get my brightness working on my laptop....asus x501u
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  i havent followed ... can you   sudo apt update ?
[20:03] <lorddoskias> root@fisk:~# apt update
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:03] <lorddoskias> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:03] <TJ-> lorddoskias: the chroot; it was all in one block device? no crossing block devices under the chroot root?
[20:03] <lorddoskias> TJ-:  one block device, yes, a loopback image
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  next time, use a !pastebin
[20:04] <lorddoskias> !pastebin
[20:04] <lorddoskias> will do
[20:04] <lorddoskias> so it seems that apt creates the lock, then checks for the lock and fails since it is there
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  type this    sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[20:04] <lorddoskias> i don't have fuser, nor lsof :(
[20:05] <lorddoskias> that's a minimal ubuntu installation i guess, just whatever debootstrap brings
[20:05] <MonkeyDust> lorddoskias  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[20:05] <TJ-> lorddoskias: does the same thing happen if you work in the chroot, not the QEMU guest + loop device?
[20:06] <lorddoskias> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15697521/
[20:06] <lorddoskias> TJ-:  haven't really tested
[20:07] <lorddoskias> hm, should this \n \l be there?
[20:07] <TJ-> lorddoskias: did you mount /proc /sys /dev /run etc., into the chroot?
[20:07] <lorddoskias> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15697550/
[20:08] <TJ-> lorddoskias: is that inside the guest? I'm asking about the host itself
[20:10] <lorddoskias> yes, that's in the guest, and also the same is for the host
[20:10] <lorddoskias> but one thing is rather interesting - the guest has the same hostname as the host - fisk
[20:10] <TJ-> lorddoskias: I'm trying to establish if you may have left especially the host's /run/ tmpfs mounted to /osmount/run/ before creating the loop device,
[20:11] <lorddoskias> hmz
[20:11] <orob> hello threre
[20:11] <TJ-> lorddoskias: I can imagine that kind of conflict causing some 'interesting' side effects
[20:11] <lorddoskias> so what i did is - create a sparse file, mount it with mount -o loop, then run debootstrap using the directory where i mounted the loop file
[20:12] <lorddoskias> and then i unmounted and used the resulting image as a root for my qemu vm
[20:12] <TJ-> lorddoskias: OK, so you dind't mount the host's /proc /sys /dev /run into the chroot ?
[20:12] <lorddoskias> no
[20:12] <TJ-> lorddoskias: that rules that out then
[20:12] <lorddoskias> i used debootstrap so that i have the userspace
[20:13] <TJ-> lorddoskias: you'll need to return to the host+chroot access and add some diagnostic tooling I think
[20:13] <Sayona1> :(
[20:13] <Sayona1> blackscreen if i have nvidia installed
[20:13] <Sayona1> can anyone help me?
[20:13] <lorddoskias> TJ-: yeah.. and i just wanted to have some basic userspace :(
[20:14] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: drm removal successful lol
[20:14] <bprompt> jonathan_zz:  good =)
[20:15] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: I just installed some older version of Adobe DE and it worked.
[20:16] <Sayona1> nobady here ? is anyone how have problems with nvidia drivers? becouse I try a lot to fix the problem and no result
[20:16] <TJ-> lorddoskias: are you booting the QEMU guest from an external kernel/initrd image set?
[20:16] <lorddoskias> yes, i hve manually compiled my kernel
[20:16] <lorddoskias> essentially using kvmconfig + some custom stuff like cgroups and namespaces
[20:17] <TJ-> lorddoskias: any cgroup/ns stuff going on that might cause this?
[20:17] <lorddoskias> well i haven't really configured anything yet
[20:17] <TJ-> lorddoskias: also, check the guest's auth.log and syslog in case there's some apparmor interaction
[20:18] <lorddoskias> just whatever comes default with ubuntu
[20:18] <TJ-> lorddoskias: I thought that'd be the case but was worth asking
[20:18] <Rammus> Hello guys, can any one help  me debug system freeze? its kind of weird
[20:18] <Rammus> i am using ubuntu 14.04
[20:19] <Rammus> when i start multiple apps such as tor and android studio the system freeze
[20:19] <Rammus> it wont even respond to sysrq
[20:19] <Rammus> i have failed to replicate the problem by stressing the system
[20:19] <Rammus> i tried underclocking but no luck
[20:20] <Rammus> any thoughts?
[20:20] <Rammus> :'(
[20:20] <ChunkzZ> so much for patience....
[20:20] <Rammus> ?
[20:21] <ChunkzZ> can anyone explain what this does: "quiet splash acpi_osi=" it's the only way I can get my brightness working on my laptop....asus x501u
[20:21] <Rammus> 7
[20:21] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: acpi_osi=... sets an alternate OS identity for the Linux kernel to pass to the system's ACPI DSDT code, which usually enables more ACPI functionality since the DSDT thinks it's running with Windows
[20:22] <rob0> I think acpi_osi is a driver, and unsetting it means it will not load.
[20:22] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: the value is usually a Windows release, such as "acpit_osi=Windows 2013"
[20:22] <ChunkzZ> yeah but I don't get it, ... when nothing is in grub, brightness full...the battery stays the same...now added that to grub and it's low brightness and it's STILL the same?!
[20:22] <TJ-> rob0: no, it isn't a driver
[20:23] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: if all you have is literally acpi_osi=   that won't do anything to help; you need to give a valid string that the motherboard recognises
[20:23] <ChunkzZ> I don't know what to do :/
[20:24] <ChunkzZ> my laptop came with windows 8
[20:24] <ChunkzZ> does that make a difference?
[20:24] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: what is the actual problem the system is having
[20:25] <ChunkzZ> right, nothing edited in grub, screen brightness full....battery says 4 hours...acpi_osi= in grub and screen brightness 0% 4 hours....
[20:25] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, ^
[20:25] <Rammus> guys any help?
[20:26] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: you mean the predicted battery life remaining value?
[20:26] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: I would simply suggest you try to replicate the issue in a newer version (of Ubuntu) (using a newer kernel), not much else you can do.
[20:26] <ChunkzZ> both the same yes, with screen brightness full or 0%
[20:27] <Rammus> thank u :(
[20:27] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: but you're not assigning any *value* with acpi_osi=
[20:27] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: so, it won't change anything
[20:27] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: if everything is frozen there won't be any output in the log files right
[20:27] <ChunkzZ> yeah I don't know what to put sorry
[20:27] <ChunkzZ> my laptop came with windows 8
[20:27] <ChunkzZ> what do I need to put?
[20:28] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: you need to put in one of the strings the ACPI DSDT recognises
[20:28] <ChunkzZ> '!Windows 8' ?
[20:28] <Rammus> jonathan_zz: true
[20:28] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: you can discover them usually doing "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows' "
[20:29] <Rammus> i didnt have this problem when i had windows
[20:29] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: but if there was, I guess you'd have to check /var/log/messages or syslog for anything.
[20:29] <Rammus> already did nothing to mention
[20:30] <jonathan_zz> then personally I'd think there'd be little interest in troubleshooting a hardware freeze (kernel freeze?) in a much older kernel than what is current now.
[20:30] <TJ-> Rammus: how much RAM does the PC have?
[20:30] <jonathan_zz> the only thing you could attempt would be to selectively change hardware.
[20:31] <Rammus> actually the problem started after i installed a game
[20:31] <jonathan_zz> and/or run a memory test.
[20:31] <geny-evanice> oi
[20:31] <Rammus> memtest no luck
[20:31] <jonathan_zz> what game?
[20:31] <Rammus> Colobot
[20:32] <Rammus> in the official software center
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> !info colobot
[20:32] <Rammus> i removed the game but no luck
[20:32] <Rammus> i have 8 GB of ram
[20:32] <jonathan_zz> seems spurious.
[20:33] <jonathan_zz> I mean not related.
[20:33] <f00z00> Hi!
[20:33] <Rammus> mmm i just want to know if it is a hardware or software fault so i can decide what to do
[20:33] <jonathan_zz> and you are entirely sure everything stops responding, including network services? from another host
[20:34] <Rammus> any thoughts?
[20:34] <Rammus> haven't tried pinging my self really
[20:34] <f00z00> I got some files I need to execute a legacy app. Can I just copy them into the system-wide /lib directory, or is there something else I need to do?
[20:34] <jonathan_zz> because like I have an issue with a game where the entire screen stops redrawing but in fact the system still responds.
[20:34] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, I set it to windows 2012 but now I can't change the brightness?
[20:34] <Rammus> another thing the fan goes nuts after some seconds of the freeze
[20:34] <Rammus> like a jet engine
[20:35] <Rammus> but no over heating as far as i could check
[20:35] <jonathan_zz> see that would indicate either 100% CPU or...... a change in fan control.
[20:35] <Rammus> 50 C degrees stable
[20:35] <jonathan_zz> is it a pwm fan?
[20:35] <Rammus> the cpu would be less than 50% i installed a system monitor
[20:35] <Rammus> no no pwm
[20:36] <Rammus> who controls the fan ? the kernel or external hardware?
[20:36] <jonathan_zz> I have a system on which fan goes 100% at reboot but that is because the fan control app gets shut down and it resets the values to 100%.
[20:36] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: can you do "pastebinit <( cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg )"
[20:36] <jonathan_zz> in my case (debian system) it is a program.
[20:37] <Rammus> it must pwm fan to be controlled by a program right?
[20:37] <jonathan_zz> usually I don't know, PWM is not voltage control but you can have voltage control as well.....I guess??
[20:38] <Rammus> i don't lnow :(
[20:38] <Rammus> *know
[20:38] <ChunkzZ> give me a sec m8
[20:39] <pwca> hi, I tried to install RStudio but when I open it it's just blank.
[20:39] <jonathan_zz> in my case I installed a program that configures the speed and when it exists it annoyingly reverts to max values.
[20:39] <pwca> I get the menu in the top, but it doesn't *load*.
[20:39] <Rammus> ok i will try installing one and see if it works so i can continue troubleshooting
[20:40] <pwca> my version is: Ubuntu 15.10.
[20:40] <jonathan_zz> idk, better see if one is already installed? :P.
[20:40] <jonathan_zz> I think it is not worth the trouble, just upgrade to 16.04 you know. See if it helps.
[20:40] <pwca> I should upgrade to 16.04, jonathan_zz?
[20:41] <pwca> does R Studio work in 16.04?
[20:41] <jonathan_zz> I meant Rammus
[20:41] <pwca> I don't even think there's a Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 yet, jonathan_zz.
[20:41] <pwca> I mean, Ubuntu GNOME 16.04.
[20:41] <Rammus> /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[20:42] <stevecam> hey, im looking at some dmesg messages, it is complaining about being unable to mount a partition, but i dont know why its trying to mount it in the first place, its not in my fstab
[20:42] <Rammus> uprgrading would be a pain
[20:42] <ChunkzZ> "pastebinit <( cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg )"
[20:42] <ChunkzZ> "pastebinit <( cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg )"
[20:43] <Rammus> btw can i shrink ext3 volume?
[20:43] <jonathan_zz> yes
[20:43] <stevecam> Rammus, yes
[20:43] <Rammus> thank you i will try dual boot then
[20:43] <Rammus> if it works on the second system i will migrate completly
[20:44] <stevecam> Rammus, there are tools for it with the generic filesystem tools in most distros sorry about the vagueness
[20:44] <Rammus> thank you for your time guys :)
[20:44] <ChunkzZ1> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15698346/
[20:44] <Rammus> Gparted
[20:44] <pwca> jonathan_zz: help
[20:44] <lorddoskias> TJ-: so it seems this one fails : fcntl(4, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[20:44] <Rammus> i know it but some file systems dont shrink so i thought i should ask
[20:44] <stevecam> Rammus, you will want to prepare the partition before resizing it
[20:44] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: resize2fs
[20:45] <Rammus> prepare?
[20:45] <pwca> stevecam: help
[20:45] <stevecam> Rammus, gparted deals with a disks geography, not its data, you need to move the data with resize2fs like jonathan_zz said
[20:45] <pwca> Z_God: hi.
[20:45] <stevecam> pwca yes?
[20:46] <Rammus> ah like defragment so they are at the start ?
[20:46] <jonathan_zz> some tools do both though
[20:46] <jonathan_zz> but you cannot resize your mounted root online, you can only increase its size, not shrink it
[20:46] <ChunkzZ1> any ideas?
[20:46] <TJ-> ChunkzZ1: that leading "!" has the effect of *removing* the string, not adding it. delete the "!" and regenerate "update-grub" and reboot
[20:46] <pwca> stevecam: I am attempting to launch R Studio in Ubuntu GNOME 15.10, but it's just blank. I get the top menu, but every rolldown menu is blank and so is the main window.
[20:47] <Rammus> live boot :)
[20:47] <Rammus> thanks alot
[20:47] <Saint_Philomena> Hello. :)
[20:47] <stevecam> jonathan_zz, you could technically resize a root filesystem that is mounted ro
[20:47] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: yeah. LVM tools will automatically use resize2fs if you resize a volume.
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> gotta retsrart br
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> brb
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> retsrat]
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> restart
[20:47] <ChunkzZ1> oops
[20:47] <Rammus> thanks again :D
[20:47] <jonathan_zz> Rammus: maybe gparted will also do that.
[20:47] <jonathan_zz> stevecam: ok
[20:47] <Rammus> it does
[20:48] <pwca> stevecam: I get this error when launching from terminal: "TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.desktopHooks.notifyRCrashed')"
[20:48] <stevecam> pwca, i dont use r studio sorry
[20:48] <pwca> stevecam: additionally: add chmod o+x /usr/bin/rstudio
[20:48] <stevecam> have you tried google
[20:48] <pwca> stevecam: I mean: QIODevice::read: device not open
[20:49] <pwca> stevecam: I don't see what use lolcats is to me at this point.
[20:50] <stevecam> pwca, i am afraid you might be asking the wrong person for help
[20:50] <pwca> stevecam: yes, I am afraid too.
[20:50] <stevecam> good luck
[20:51] <pwca> thank you.
[20:51] <stevecam> you're welcome, anytime
[20:53] <rjpj> hi
[20:53] <EriC^^> pwca: lolcat is always useful.
[20:54] <ouroumov_> Fuck me, spacex just landed the falcon 9 booster on a ship at sea.
[20:54] <EriC^^> always.
[20:54] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, brightness still not working mate
[20:55] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: how are you trying to change it? with keys, or via command-line tools?
[20:55] <ChunkzZ> fn keys
[20:56] <ChunkzZ> it says it's going up and down with fn keys but it's not changing
[20:56] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: well, it might just be a platform hot-keys issue, so try using the command-line first
[20:56] <ChunkzZ> ^ ;p
[20:57] <lorddoskias> TJ-: ok i got what the problem was - my custom kernel didn't have FILE_LOCKING enabled ergo the fcntl calls were failing
[20:57] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: also, have you tested with the kernel command-line paramater acpi_backlight=vendor
[20:58] <TJ-> lorddoskias: haha! you should have used one of the Ubuntu 'cloud' (virtual machine) kernel images
[20:58] <lorddoskias> TJ-: i'm going to be doing my own kernel development so that's why i need a custom kernel with minimal config
[21:00] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: to control the brightness from command-line, check the sysfs nodes available with "ls /sys/class/backlight/*/" and then read the current values with "for n in /sys/class/backlight/*/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done"
[21:01] <maw83> ciao
[21:01] <maw83> !list
[21:01] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: finally, try writing a value to change it with echo $SOME_VALUE | sudo dd of=/sys/class/backlight/${DEVICE_NAME}/actual_brightness"
[21:01] <jonathan_zz> bprompt: lol I'm stuck anyway, my adobe version won't download epub files using .acsm
[21:01] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: replace those variables with your system's actual values of course
[21:04] <ChunkzZ> no outputs have backlight property TJ-
[21:04] <taurus_> Do Archive Manager can extract separated files like par1 and 2, when I extract appears error
[21:06] <adrian_1908> hello. Can anyone recommend an application to quickly create flow charts and the likes? Something like Blender's node editor, that's straight forward to use (drag&drop).
[21:06] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: do you mean there is no node under /sys/class/backlight/ ?
[21:07] <ChunkzZ> idk, I type xbacklight -set 0 and it says that
[21:08] <jonathan_zz> so I can't download any ebooks after all unless I install windows.
[21:09] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I didn't say anything about using xbacklight! use the raw kernel nodes to discover if the driver can actual control it, and if not switch to the ACPI backlight vendor driver as I recommended earlier
[21:09] <Hetr0Erectus> jonathan_zz, download trough adobe? why not just download regulary and open in something like calibre
[21:10] <Hetr0Erectus> and you can do that in linux
[21:10] <Hetr0Erectus> calibre is actually pretty sweet for ebooks
[21:10] <jonathan_zz> well maybe because the book comes as .acsm and I do not have access to a direct download?
[21:10] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, how am i suppose to change it in terminal then?!
[21:11] <foo> [B/x
[21:11] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I just have you the exact instructions for finding the nodes and trying to alter the value
[21:12] <ChunkzZ> you've lost me matey
[21:13] <ChunkzZ> i tried acpi backlight vendor with no luck
[21:14] <ChunkzZ> i give up
[21:14] <le_pig> :/
[21:23] <borogomsho> hi
[21:23] <borogomsho> How can I control my presentation (on my laptop) by Nokia 5130?
[21:23] <jonathan_zz> Hetr0Erectus: installing windows xp now lol
[21:23] <borogomsho> My Mobile model: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nokia+5130+XpressMusic
[21:24] <borogomsho> can it be done by blutooth?
[21:24] <Hetr0Erectus> crap ... no solution if you google it? must be some DRM stuff.. linux has issues with that
[21:24] <Hetr0Erectus> open ebooks etc shouldnt be an issue though
[21:24] <jonathan_zz> Hetr0Erectus: apparently the ACSM file acquires the epub and locks it to your adobe ID
[21:25] <Hetr0Erectus> right.. DRM
[21:25] <Hetr0Erectus> :(
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> Hetr0Erectus: actually the ACSM itself gets locked to your id
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> upon first use
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> I can already remove the DRM using some Windows tools in Wine
[21:25] <jonathan_zz> but I cannot acquire the epub yet
[21:26] <Hetr0Erectus> :(
[21:26] <Hetr0Erectus> well allways nifty to have a virtualbox with a small win xp installation
[21:27] <jonathan_zz> yeah I'm doing that now
[21:27] <jonathan_zz> virtualbox is pretty easy to use
[21:28] <Hetr0Erectus> i had issues with DRM myself ... playing videos from state television or netflix... had to go chrome on linux to play it
[21:29] <Hetr0Erectus> maybe all linuxers could unite to develop some DRM software that sorts out this stuff
[21:29] <rumi> How can I boot to another kernel image ? I can't change initrd.img to link to an older kernel
[21:29] <pwca> I solved my problem earlier.
[21:30] <pwca> jonathan_zz stevecam  ^
[21:30] <Ben64> rumi: you pick a different kernel from grub
[21:30] <jonathan_zz> rumi: all kernels+initrd that are in /boot will get seen by update-grub and put into the config
[21:30] <Hetr0Erectus> linuxers and linux thorvalds himself should focus on this for linux
[21:30] <Hetr0Erectus> cause its a big issue
[21:31] <Guest92600> cant see mouse when using kodi anyone know how to solve this ?
[21:31] <Hetr0Erectus> nice with free software but when DRM pops up more and more, you need something to handle that
[21:31] <Hetr0Erectus> some closed software unit you put into the open source code for this purpose
[21:31] <jonathan_zz> it's more like Adobe doesn't care to allow ebook download on any other platform than the main ones
[21:31] <rumi> Ben64: should I change /etc/grub.d/10_linux ?
[21:31] <Hetr0Erectus> and with the community behind it, it should get softwaredevelopers that make this working for win have an easy time also making it work for linux
[21:31] <Ben64> rumi: no
[21:32] <Ben64> rumi: you should explain what you're doing and why, and what you're trying to accomplish
[21:32] <jonathan_zz> but many developers stay away from producing for linux because it is a lot harder.
[21:32] <Hetr0Erectus> jonathan_zz, thats why the linux community must unite
[21:32] <Hetr0Erectus> to stop this BS
[21:32] <jonathan_zz> they are too religious, just keep fighting among each other.
[21:33] <rumi> Ben64: My notebook's touchpad stopped working after a recent upgrade. I'd like to switch to an older kernel to see if the problem comes from there
[21:33] <Ben64> rumi: so just choose it from grub
[21:34] <rumi> Ben64: I don't have the grub selector when I start the machine
[21:34] <Ben64> rumi: then hit shift during boot to make it appear
[21:34] <Jordan_U> rumi: Hold shift at boot if it's a BIOS based machine or spam escape at boot if it's UEFI.
[21:34] <rumi> Ben64, thanks I'm trying that
[21:35] <jonathan_zz> rumi: also just check /boot/grub/grub.cfg or whatever if your kernel is in there
[21:35] <rumi> jonathan_zz, yes, I've got two kernels
[21:36] <jonathan_zz> (I don't get how the menu can even be hidden. I once tried to hide the menu and it never worked)
[21:38] <rumi> jonathan_zz: holding shift or spamming escape has no effect, the Lubuntu splash screen appears
[21:38] <squinty> jonathan_zz,  fwiw, calibre (in repo's) has a drm removal plugin and converting ebooks formats
[21:39] <jonathan_zz> rumi: grub2 is designed to be incomprehensible. I don't know. I always pressed <tab>
[21:39] <bekks> hi
[21:39] <bekks> is there some dedicated zsync channel, in case someone knows? :)
[21:39] <rumi> jonathan_zz, weird
[21:39] <Ben64> rumi: you can edit /etc/default/grub to change GRUB_TIMEOUT to a value like 10, then run "sudo update-grub" to make the change take effect
[21:39] <jonathan_zz> squinty: right
[21:40] <rumi> Ben64, let's try that (on a 11' screen with no touchpad)
[21:42] <rumi> Ben64, Hurray it works ! thanks :)
[21:47] <Alexshmalex> hi, I'm hoping someone could help me out
[21:47] <Bashing-om> !ask | Alexshmalex
[21:48] <jinette> hello everyone, I'd like to install gitlab on 15.10. but on their page only 14.04. is shown among the OS: https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/ can you help me know how to install it?
[21:48] <Alexshmalex> I just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 and it drops my wifi after a few minutes and I have to reboot to get a connection again
[21:49] <nacc> jinette: it says for 15.04 d/l manually. You could try that for 15.10. Or ask gitlab?
[21:50] <jinette> nacc, maybe as here: https://about.gitlab.com/installation/, with the mentioned Omnibus package
[21:51]  * tgm4883 wonders how this is a ubuntu issue
[21:51] <nacc> jinette: yes, click on it and shows you direct instructions for installing gitlab; but as i was trying to imply, you'd need to ask gitlab for support
[21:51] <jinette> maybe cause I am using ubuntu?
[21:51] <nacc> jinette: random software installation on ubuntu is not supported by ubuntu
[21:51] <thechanceg> lol
[21:51] <nacc> jinette: they quite clearly document what they support (14.04 and maybe 15.04). But that's a gitlab support statement, not an ubuntu one?
[21:52] <jinette> we're having an instant of not-so-friendly contingent of volunteers, it seems
[21:52] <tgm4883> nacc: well ubuntu doesn't support gitlab at all, so.....
[21:52] <tgm4883> err
[21:52] <tgm4883> jinette: well ubuntu doesn't support gitlab at all, so.....
[21:52] <nacc> tgm4883: ack
[21:53] <nacc> jinette: if you want to try, you can follow their published instructions; if you don't, then you don't. But either way, gitlab itself isn't supported here...
[21:54] <Alexshmalex> any takers? I tried the forum, and the codes didn't seem to work, it's amazing that I'm online right now
[21:54] <tgm4883> jinette: to put it another way, Warcraft 2 says it requires Windows 98. That doesn't mean you can call Microsoft to support it when you try to run it on Windows 10
[21:54] <jinette> with fancy argumentation you can respond any way you like. but there used to be real free software help here.
[21:54] <jinette> as long as it had to do with ubuntu
[21:54] <jinette> in some way
[21:55] <tgm4883> jinette: I don't believe that to be the case, but either way, have you tried #gitlab ?
[21:55] <thechanceg> there is nothing fancy about their argument. if this was the gitlab board the situation would be different.
[21:55] <cfhowlett> jinette, gitlab is responsible for gitlab.  ubuntu is not.  smarter to ask the experts, yes??
[21:55] <jinette> just curious, what do you not believe to be the cae, tgm4883?
[21:55] <jinette> case*
[21:56] <tgm4883> jinette: I don't believe we've ever had a policy of supporting ANYTHING as long as it was running on Ubuntu
[21:56] <cfhowlett> ^^ true ^^
[21:57] <jinette> I can paint any 'case' in the way that makes me sound right
[21:57] <jinette> but fine.
[21:57] <nacc> jinette: but, in any case, if you really wanted to, you could follow the instructions gitlab gave you?
[21:57] <jinette> I am done with this.
[21:57] <jinette> yes, I'll ask there
[21:57] <tgm4883> jinette: not with facts you cant.
[21:57] <\9> gitlab is not present in official ubuntu repositories, so what makes you think that ubuntu supports it?
[21:58] <jinette> I am not talking about that. how far can it be from ubuntu to ask whether anyone knows anything about how to install a more or less well-known online repo?
[21:58] <tgm4883> jinette: this is a volunteer channel. There's a bunch of stuff that IS in the repos that we can't really support
[21:58] <jinette> and I add that it used to be close enough to get an answer
[21:58] <cfhowlett> shall we all move on now??
[21:59] <jinette> yes, I was already about to.
[22:00] <tgm4883> jinette: look, here's the deal. Even if we wanted to help you with gitlab, we'd have to go read their site and try and figure out how to install it on 15.10. Something that A) you can do yourself, and B) Something that the people in #gitlab have a far better chance of already having done
[22:02] <jinette> tgm4883, I did that, of course, I can do that till I find something someplace on internet. but I am talking about that the attitude can be more permissive, and it used to be. it is a plain matter of attitude whether to say 'we are not tasked with this' or see if someone online can respond. the former blocks the latter straight away.
[22:03] <jinette> anyway. I go.
[22:03] <OneM_Industries> Ok, silly question. Short of opening my case up, how would I tell what motherboard I have in my machine?
[22:03] <nacc> OneM_Industries: dmidecode ?
[22:03]  * tgm4883 sighs
[22:04] <OneM_Industries> That is a lot of info...
[22:04] <nacc> OneM_Industries: yeah :) might want to | less and search for motherboard or so
[22:04] <nacc> OneM_Industries: at least, my laptop emits one
[22:04] <OneM_Industries> Yep, doing that now.
[22:05] <OneM_Industries> Bingo! Product Name: M5A78L-M/USB3
[22:05] <Alexshmalex> since I installed Ubuntu my computer keeps losing it's wifi signal after a few minutes and I have to reboot, over and over again
[22:05]  * tgm4883 sometimes wishes he was banned from this channel...
[22:06] <OneM_Industries> Oh?
[22:06] <OneM_Industries> How come?
[22:06] <tgm4883> OneM_Industries: some users just make me tired
[22:06] <OneM_Industries> Ah. I know that feeling.
[22:07] <OneM_Industries> Well, there is /quit. ;)
[22:07]  * tgm4883 gets tired when users straight up lie to me
[22:07] <rob0> I make myself tired!
[22:07] <nacc> Alexshmalex: what version of ubuntu? do you see any messages in `dmesg` about your wifi driver/device when it happens?
[22:07]  * tgm4883 goes back to puppetizing software
[22:08] <Alexshmalex> 14.04
[22:08] <jonathan_zz> OneM_Industries: asus mobo right
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> Yp.
[22:08] <thechanceg> you were absolutely right tgm4883. "Help, I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!"
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> Whoops, I am an idiot.
[22:08] <jonathan_zz> amd 760g chipset?
[22:08] <OneM_Industries> I have all my RAM in one channel...leaving channel B completely unused.
[22:09] <Alexshmalex> nacc: it actually takes a couple of minutes to show that it's lost wifi
[22:09] <jonathan_zz> I might have the same mobo lol (in other machine)
[22:09] <OneM_Industries> I think so.
[22:09] <tgm4883> thechanceg: Yea, that and "I totally asked in the channel that you told me to" despite I've been in there for a year and never seen him and the channel is logged, and it has no record of him either
[22:10] <Alexshmalex> nacc: and I'll let you know an error message as soon as it happens again
[22:10] <OneM_Industries> jonathan_zz: Yep, AMD 760G+.
[22:10] <rob0> Entitlement will do that to you.  When you are entitled, you will demand.
[22:10] <thechanceg> tgm4883: how am I not surprised. Good on ya for trying anyway.
[22:10] <Ben64> tgm4883: some people love this channel so much, they want all their support to come from here
[22:10] <jonathan_zz> OneM_Industries: what cpu you have on it?
[22:11] <OneM_Industries> AMD FX 8350.
[22:11] <jonathan_zz> right 6300 here. Can't find the box lol.
[22:11] <OneM_Industries> Anyway, this is offtopic.
[22:11] <qwsdd> #math
[22:11] <jonathan_zz> call the army
[22:12] <OneM_Industries> I will be back in a bit, going to reorganize the memory to use both channels...
[22:14] <HetroErectus> what moderatly priced video card with descent 3d graphics for an old amd x4 3.2 ghz 955 would you guys suggest?
[22:14] <HetroErectus> that runs nice on linux
[22:15] <HetroErectus> got an amd 5870 but its lagging behind
[22:15] <HetroErectus> processor is ok
[22:15] <HetroErectus> ehh.. ati 5870
[22:16] <jonathan_zz> HetroErectus: finally I have the book downloaded.... used old sp2 ISO,.... barely any SSL site worked in installed internet explorer..... first had to install old version of firefox, then .NET 3.5, before that Windows Installer 1.3 or 3.1, then I could install Adobe 3.0
[22:17] <HetroErectus> ahh wine?
[22:17] <jonathan_zz> no virtualbox windows xp sp2
[22:17] <carlos> hola
[22:17] <Ben64> HetroErectus: nvidia is way better supported in linux currently
[22:19] <Techspectre> HetroErectus, you can get a GTX-670 for like 100 bucks now. Mine runs most games at highest quality settings
[22:19] <HetroErectus> ben64: is has for a while i think.. somewhere i read the opposite tho
[22:19] <HetroErectus> ah nice.. thats a step up from radeon 5870 i figure
[22:19] <wad> I just build a brand new computer. The video card has VGA, DVI, and HDMI. I plugged in two monitors, one to the DVI and the other to HDMI. But Ubuntu 14.04 LTS only sees the DVI one. Ideas?
[22:20] <Techspectre> So what does it mean when editing your evdev.conf file doesn't work, but setting xinput --set-prop does?
[22:20] <HetroErectus> Techspectre, seems its the same performance ... 5870 being a tad slower
[22:21] <HetroErectus> i was comparing it to the new gpu's running like $2-300 in terms of bitcoin mining and the difference were massive
[22:21] <wad> I haven't tried anything with video drivers yet. Maybe I should mess with that stuff.
[22:21] <HetroErectus> like 1/20th of the performance
[22:21] <psyguy> hey all, sorry to interrupt. i have a simple linux question if anyone is willing to help me? i have an auto mounted usb device owned by root and i am trying to share it with samba for a different user however i seem to be getting a permission error when i attempt to login to access that share from my windows pc. is there any way to enable access for my samba user to the root-owned mount?
[22:21] <wad> lspci shows: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 420] (rev a1)
[22:21] <HetroErectus> my cpu processor though is like 1/2-1/3 the performance of newer ones
[22:21] <HetroErectus> so the big leap has been on gpu's.. thats why i was thinking about replacing it
[22:22] <uatec> so I was asking here before, but didn't manage to get it working...
[22:22] <uatec> i have a clean install of 15.10 and did the auto update as soon as I logged on for the first time
[22:22] <wad> psyguy, have you tried things like "sudo chown me:me /dev/whatever-my-usb-is" ?
[22:22] <HetroErectus> would be nice to in games root out the gpu bottleneck with an upgrade, im thinking
[22:23] <uatec> ever since then, when I logon, unity doesn't load, it just gives me my wallpaper, but no icons, or menu bar or even window manager (some text editor randomly opens up with no handles around the edges)
[22:23] <lbracher> Hi there! I have an wifi AP here with a repeater. They have different SSIDs and I would like to connect to the strongest AP when wake from suspended status. Do you know if this is possible? Thanks in advance!
[22:23] <HetroErectus> other than that, my faithful old desktop from 2008 runs fine
[22:23] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, what's your current GPU?
[22:23] <HetroErectus> radeon 5870
[22:23] <psyguy> wad, yes i have. me:me turns it into root:me and ive also done chmod 777 -R with no luck
[22:23] <HetroErectus> cpu is amd x4 3.2ghz (955 model)
[22:23] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, I just scrolled up
[22:23] <uatec> removing my ~/.config worked a couple of times, but now even that stopped working, so it can't have been directly related to that
[22:23] <uatec> has anybody seen that kind of problem before and fixed it?
[22:24] <HetroErectus> i dont bother throwing away something that works fine.. like my cpu, ram etc
[22:24] <denis_> hi
[22:24] <wad> psyguy, that's the end of my usefulness. Sorry. :(
[22:24] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, are you hoping to game on that setup?
[22:25] <HetroErectus> drmanhattan: yea.. not much, but run things like BF4
[22:26] <HetroErectus> and pref have descent powerconsumption and good compatibility with linux
[22:26] <uatec> woah, i just blew away my ~/.config file, and now the Unity UI and desktop icons keep flickering in and out :|
[22:26] <uatec> it looks like unity is crashing repeatedly
[22:27] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, if you get an AMD card, you can use the MANTLE Api on BF4 and you won't get bottlenecked by CPU.
[22:27] <uatec> according to my .xsession-errors file it's being killed by a SEGV
[22:27] <HetroErectus> i figured out this doing a VR-test on steam :)
[22:27] <DrManhattan> HetroErectus, you can get a really good deal on an r290x
[22:27] <HetroErectus> my cpu will work ... but the gpu wont
[22:28] <HetroErectus> yeah.. i know directx12 now can make use of 2 videocards
[22:28] <HetroErectus> even different types
[22:28] <katie1231> anyone else having issues with Ubuntu 15.10 install screen locking up?
[22:29] <katie1231> I verified the checksum and made sure there were no errors on my live usb
[22:29] <HetroErectus> but i question the gpu performance under linux .. cause currenty the gpu fan is working hard i can hear
[22:29] <HetroErectus> and again that was a radeon card
[22:30] <HetroErectus> seems to be an issue with drivers
[22:32] <Ope> yea iam having the same problem... but iam trying to figure it out.. google is exelent
[22:32] <HetroErectus> amazingly radeon 5870's are still for sale.. LOL! mines what.. 8 years now? or did i install it during my upgrade 6 years ago? i bought mine when it was new
[22:32] <HetroErectus> things must have halted bigtime on desktop hardware
[22:32] <Ope> damn...
[22:32] <jonathan_zz> lbracher: I don't think it is but by all means ask around in any networkmanager channel or list
[22:32] <jonathan_zz> lbracher: #nm for instance
[22:33] <lbracher> jonathan_zz, thank you! :)
[22:33] <jonathan_zz> lbracher: mailinglist is https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
[22:34] <lbracher> (y)
[22:34] <Alexshmalex> nacc: ok, it's doing it. it still shows I have a wifi connection but it won't connect, what am I looking for?
[22:34] <jonathan_zz> katie1231: I used kubuntu installer but I had no issues.
[22:35] <katie1231> hmm alright. I might do that then. Or just install debian.
[22:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex: if you can just pastebin your dmesg that'd be fine
[22:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex: what driver does your wifi use, do you know?
[22:35] <jonathan_zz> katie1231: but you didn't mention what kind of lock up or at what place
[22:35] <Alexshmalex> I don't  I'm sorry
[22:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex: np, dmesg will probably tell us
[22:35] <Alexshmalex> and I'm not sure what that is
[22:35] <katie1231> it locks up at the hard drive partitioning screen
[22:36] <jonathan_zz> katie1231: while loading? or as you do something.
[22:36] <nacc> Alexshmalex: just run `dmesg` and pastebin the output; either using pastebinit or c&p
[22:36] <katie1231> I set up all my partitions and confirm and say install and then it just does nothing.
[22:37] <jonathan_zz> does it freeze that point or still operational but you just cannot proceed
[22:37] <katie1231> freezes.
[22:38] <jonathan_zz> so if you have a shell open at that point, can you still use it or is the entire system dead?
[22:38] <Alexshmalex> nacc: ok, I did that and it gave me a ton of information, but I can't copy and paste from my laptop to my phone, is there something specific I can look for?
[22:39] <katie1231> I can still use it. Honestly looks like the live installer is borked.
[22:39] <nacc> Alexshmalex: does `lspci` provide you any hint as to what your wifi device is?
[22:39] <jonathan_zz> well not the first time I've heard it mention..
[22:39] <jonathan_zz> someone reported it about the kubuntu 16.10 installer.
[22:39] <jonathan_zz> 16.04*
[22:40] <katie1231> interesting. alright. I'll go with a debian install then
[22:40] <jonathan_zz> you can also try ubuntu-server and then install your desktop after
[22:40] <Alexshmalex> nacc: it's a comcast wifi router :\
[22:40] <jonathan_zz> ubuntu-server has a text-mode installer the way debian does.
[22:40] <katie1231> thats a good idea i may do that
[22:41] <katie1231> sweet.
[22:41] <freek_> So autofs hates me, sshfs works perfectly but autofs won't mount
[22:41] <Ope> sec is it ur hds thats freezing??
[22:41] <nacc> Alexshmalex: you mean the issue is your router? or just that you have a comcast wifi router?
[22:41] <Alexshmalex> nacc: network controller: realtek semiconductor
[22:42] <Alexshmalex> nacc: no, not the router
[22:42] <nacc> Alexshmalex: so try `dmesg | grep rtl` and see if any obvious errors are indicated
[22:48] <pyfoo> Has anyone installed GTA V on ubuntu?
[22:49] <xreal> How can I read ubunut's settings for CXX etc. ?
[22:49] <hassoon> cxx ? what's that
[22:50] <Alexshmalex> nacc: ok, sorry, took a minute to find the | key on my laptop, because I'm stupid. it shows a lot of text but nothing that says error. I wish we could send a picture
[22:50] <nacc> Alexshmalex: people have in the past using various webservices, it's not ideal, though
[22:50] <xreal> dpkg-buildflags --get CXXFLAGS
[22:50] <xreal> thanks for help
[22:51] <nacc> Alexshmalex: would you be able to `dmesg > log` and then reboot, and then pastebin the log file before your wifi dies?
[22:52] <Alexshmalex> won't it erase what I've copied when I reboot?
[22:53] <nacc> Alexshmalex: you're saving the output of dmesg to a file
[22:53] <nacc> Alexshmalex: i assume this is a persistent system with a hard drive
[22:54] <Alexshmalex> yes, sorry, learning curve. I rebooted but just copied it, not to a file
[22:54] <nacc> Alexshmalex: it's ok :)
[22:59] <maddawg2> question... i tried to start a service that listens on port 10000 and it fails because it says something is already using that port
[22:59] <maddawg2> what is the best way to view what is using port 10000 currently
[22:59] <maddawg2> something with netstat i think not sure the best syntax tho
[23:04] <alexshmalex> nacc: this is a lot of text
[23:05] <alexshmalex> nacc:  should i really just copy and paste this?
[23:05] <EriC^^> alexshmalex: use a pastebin
[23:05] <EriC^^> paste.ubuntu.com
[23:06] <EriC^^> or cat /log | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:06] <karex> Is there Arabic speaking person here? Which unicode characters are used as comma and dot (full stop) in Arabic language?
[23:06] <alexshmalex> ok, I pasted it as alexshmalex
[23:07] <EriC^^> alexshmalex: we need a link
[23:07] <karex> I found it is different between Arabic keyboard layout and Arabic Buckwalter layout...
[23:07] <alexshmalex> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15700585/
[23:07] <EriC^^> nacc: ^
[23:08] <alexshmalex> thank you both for your patience
[23:08] <alexshmalex> Eric^^: nacc: learning new terminology
[23:11] <EriC^^> alexshmalex: what's the problem you're having?
[23:12] <Alexshmalex1975> EriC^^: my wifi keeps dropping and I have to reboot, only happening on my laptop that I just installed Ubuntu 14.04
[23:24] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: alexshmalex: apologies, had stepped away, looking ati tnow
[23:24] <nacc> maddawg2: netstat -pan
[23:24] <nacc> maddawg2: although you'll need to be root for that, iirc
[23:25] <maddawg2> i ended up figuring it out actually
[23:25] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: thank you
[23:25] <maddawg2> lsof was much better
[23:25] <maddawg2> but thanks nacc
[23:26] <nacc> maddawg2: np
[23:26] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: hrm, this is a bit odd
[23:26] <nacc> "wlan0: deauthenticating from 3c:7a:8a:4b:f5:9a by local choice (Reason: 2=PREV_AUTH_NOT_VALID)"
[23:27] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: are you using network manager (the little applet in the taskbar)?
[23:27] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: do you happen to have multiple APs?
[23:28] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: my router uses two different signals, but my laptop can only find one
[23:29] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: wifi addresses
[23:29] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: are they named the same?
[23:29] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ESSID, wise, i mean
[23:29] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: off by a letter
[23:29] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ok ... one prior bug (with a different driver) mentions
[23:30] <nacc> "reason 2 -- PREV_AUTH_NOT_VALID -- previous authentication for the AP roamed *from* can't be reused. It may be on a different channel, etc."
[23:30] <nacc> which might mean it's bouncing between the two aggressively
[23:30] <tonyt> can someone help me out? trying to install nvidia-current from the ubuntu software center but it wont go through cause im getting an error "requires instalation of untrusted packages. this requires instaling packages from unauthentic sources". is there some option i can change to allow it to go through? and where would the option be located?
[23:30] <Alexshmalex1975> even if it can only find one?
[23:31] <nicomachus> guys halppp. I'm trying to record my desktop with internal audio, and can't get the internal audio working on any programs I try. And external audio sounds terrible.
[23:31] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: possibly, not sure -- what kind of laptop is this?
[23:32] <jonathan_zz> tonyt: I don't know tony, I would just try to "apt install nvidia-whatever"
[23:32] <Alexshmalex1975> Toshiba satellite
[23:32] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: i only ask because googling around implies this is a well-known problem with the realtek devices in some lenovo machines
[23:32] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ok
[23:32] <tonyt> well i tried that also. jonathan with a no go
[23:32] <tonyt> im on 14.10
[23:32] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2239932 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2242033
[23:32] <nicomachus> tonyt: 14.10?
[23:32] <nacc> tonyt: 14.10 is dead
[23:32] <tonyt> seems where ever its trying to download it from its dead
[23:32] <tonyt> ok
[23:33] <nacc> !eol | tonyt
[23:33] <nacc> tonyt: you want to be on 14.04 or 15.10 right now
[23:33] <tonyt> ok
[23:33] <nicomachus> or 16.04, if you're feeling adventurous.
[23:33] <tonyt> is there a way to upgrade to 15.10 from 14.10?
[23:33] <Ope> dist upgrade
[23:34] <nicomachus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[23:34] <nicomachus> it's not that simple, Ope
[23:34] <tonyt> ope can you tell me the the cli command?
[23:34] <nicomachus> if only.
[23:34] <nicomachus> tonyt: follow the instructions in the link.
[23:34] <tonyt> ok thanks nic. ill have a lok see
[23:34] <trevor_s> is ubuntu 15 going to be LTS?
[23:34] <tonyt> *look
[23:34] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: sorry if i missed it, are you using network manager?
[23:34] <nacc> trevor_s: 16.04
[23:34] <nacc> trevor_s: LTS is every 2 years
[23:34] <trevor_s> wondering if i should install that for client instead of 14
[23:35] <Rhorse> trevor_s: the next LTS is 16.04 afaik
[23:35] <nacc> trevor_s: but 16.04 is not out yet (apr. 21, iirc)
[23:35] <jonathan_zz> when its out all packages upgrade anyway to it.
[23:35] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: it seems like sometimes it has to do with roaming between bssid's and you can manually bind it in the AP
[23:35] <Rhorse> I think it uses 4.4x
[23:35] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: the wifi emblem? yes
[23:36] <jonathan_zz> personally I would recommend 16.04, at least for kubuntu
[23:36] <nacc> jonathan_zz: well, yeah, if you're on 16.04 pre-release already
[23:37] <jonathan_zz> I can't remember having had a single issue on 16.04 currently except a few rare plasma crashes and a few dolphin crashes at entering the configuration dialog..... nothing else that comes to mind.
[23:37] <Rhorse> Hopefully the upgrade will go smoothly from Wiley....
[23:37] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: ok, there might be some hints, if it happens again, in /var/log/syslog (might need to grep for NetworkManager)
[23:38] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: ok
[23:38] <trevor_s> what browswer do you guys use for ubuntu?
[23:39] <trevor_s> looking for secure ones
[23:39] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: you could try the suggestion here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/425583/ubuntu-connect-drops-worked-for-a-while-then-started-dropping-again/425617#425617
[23:39] <jonathan_zz> I use opera for kubuntu
[23:39] <jonathan_zz> would probably use the same for ubuntu just for the sake of the bookmarks sync etc.
[23:39] <Surlent777> hello; has anyone else run into the issue where pulseaudio frantically swaps between different ports for no discernable reason, resulting in choppy audio? Any suggestions?
[23:40] <Hydr0p0nX> how does automount decide what filesystem type to use when mounting? it seems to be trying to use UDF for any disk put in the drive
[23:40] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: presuming you're up with wifi right now, can you pastebin `iwlist scan`. feel free to PM me if you want
[23:41] <jonathan_zz> Hydr0p0nX: you mean ISOblabla dvds are not getting mounted correctly?
[23:42] <Rhorse> Alexshmalex1975: you might try using wpa_supplicant instead. Sometimes it's a more robust client....
[23:42] <Hydr0p0nX> jonathan_zz: not getting mount automatically, I can manually run mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/dvd and it work
[23:42] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: paste.ubuntu.com/15700944
[23:43] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: which essid is yours?
[23:44] <jonathan_zz> Hydr0p0nX: ok I know for sure I have an ISO9660 disc that got mounted just fine.
[23:44] <Alexshmalex1975> e136
[23:44] <macskay_> hi guys im trying to setup git with http and use apache2, but when firing up the apache2 it tells me PATH_INFO is not set. How would I set that?
[23:45] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: my wifi name?
[23:45] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: yeah ... i don't see "e136" in the paste you provided
[23:45] <Hydr0p0nX> ok, looking at this dvd, it's actually reporting UDF when I mount it manually
[23:46] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: either do I, but that's what I'm connected to
[23:46] <nacc> Alexshmalex1975: that paste appears to have gotten cut off (it starts in the middle of a line)
[23:47] <trevor_s> dare i run the software updater after a fresh install?
[23:47] <trevor_s> or will it likely break things
[23:48] <Alexshmalex1975> nacc: no, that's it exactly
[23:50] <happyfr0gg> Does anyone know of a DRM removal tool for Linux? Something similar to AimerSoft's DRM Media Converter?
[23:50] <Surlent777> trevor_s: unless you intend to live with an unpatched system you'll have to update eventually
[23:51] <nacc> AlexPortable: it's missing, e.g., "<interface name> Scan completed:"
[23:51] <nacc> AlexPortable: sorry
[23:52] <igor> anything send  me link to download the chrome 32bits?
[23:52] <bekks> igor: Google discontinued 32bit Chrome.
[23:52] <igor> yes i know
[23:53] <bekks> ´So you know there is no 32bit Chrome anymore.
[23:53] <nacc> alexshmalex: --^ it's missing, e.g., "<interface name> Scan completed:"
[23:53] <igor> Chromium is good?
[23:53] <squinty> happyfr0gg,  might want to check out calibre as there is a drm removal plugin for it
[23:54] <bekks> igor: Chromium isnt Chrome.
[23:54] <Surlent777> bekks: it's Chrome without the pepper flash and branding, isn't it?
[23:54] <bekks> Surlent777: I'm not caring about Chromium actually. :)
[23:55] <Jordan_U> Hydr0p0nX: What exactly happens when you try letting automount do the job? Is there any error message?
[23:55] <happyfr0gg> squinty - thanks. Does it include a video conversion plugin as well?
[23:55] <bekks> Surlent777: For me, Chromium is Chrome without all the things I choose to use Chrome :)
[23:55] <igor> TKS bekks
[23:57] <bazhang> !info calibre | happyfr0gg
[23:57] <squinty> happyfr0gg, oh sorry thought you were asking about ebooks/drm   calibre is a ebook library software
[23:57] <bazhang> e-book converter only happyfr0gg
[23:57] <leosan19> boa noite
[23:58] <Surlent777> bekks: granted, but in this spirit of his question, it is essentially an unbranded Chrome, which is important to note
[23:58] <leosan19> hello
[23:58] <bekks> Surlent777: It is a crippled Chrome without everything I use Chrome for.