[01:16] <cyber> hey
[01:16] <cyber> anybody here i want help ?
[01:46] <bedwards> new user looks good so far pls acknowledge my connection
[01:48] <bedwards_> thanks for confirm be
[07:10] <tingwei> hello
[07:10] <tingwei> someone here?
[07:10] <alkisg> Hello
[07:10] <alkisg> !ask
[14:11] <MartinKG> Hi
[14:12] <MartinKG> I have some problems with bluetooth, it can't detect any devices - Anybody have some ideas?
[14:12] <MartinKG> Tried to google with no success
[14:18] <hermes_> Hey folks, i've got a question which i posted on ask ubuntu. Anyone over here that has any idea's on how to change account types in ubuntu-mate on a headless server?
[14:18] <hermes_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/882919/how-to-set-ubuntu-mate-account-types
[14:21] <splenty> Hello Everyone
[14:47] <alkisg> hermes_: the problem is that you dont login properly and your session isn't considered 'active' by policykit. Have you tried X2go instead of using a custom tightvncserver login?
[14:48] <alkisg> Btw, to see which groups users-admin considers as 'administrators', fire up a live cd, add a user, and check his groups
[15:04] <hermes_> THANK YOU alksisg! Your right!
[15:06] <hermes_> Why has tightvnc not the policy for it? Is there a way to fix this?
[15:08] <hermes_> I prefer tightvnc, because i can use noVNC to run it inside a website. Tough x2go is wicked, i'm afraid that for the employees at my company x2go client will be a bit to complicated.
[15:14] <alkisg> hermes_: it has binaries for windows too
[15:15] <alkisg> hermes_: its difficult to properly implement a login, with all the display manager and systemd-logind changes
[15:15] <alkisg> I'm guessing that's why tightvnc hasn't implemented it prroperly
[15:16] <alkisg> You can use 'loginctl' to debug it and report it to the tightvnc developers
[15:17] <alkisg> (if they actually send a login script and you didn't implement it yourself)
[15:17] <hermes_> So, could channging a display manager solve it also?
[15:18] <hermes_> loginctl - >    SESSION        UID USER             SEAT
[15:18] <hermes_>         42          0 root
[15:18] <hermes_>         c1        108 lightdm          seat0
[15:18] <hermes_>         51       1000 arjan
[15:19] <alkisg> What does your script do? How did you implement vnc logins?
[15:19] <alkisg> Does tightvnc ship a script for that?
[15:20] <nick__> hey
[15:21] <alkisg> $ loginctl session-status | grep State
[15:21] <alkisg> 	   State: active
[15:21] <alkisg> hermes_: you need to see "active" there if you want policykit to give you all the proper rights
[15:21] <alkisg> Either that, or modify policykit files so that you give access to non-active sessions as well
[15:22] <alkisg> hermes_: the file you're looking for would be  /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.accounts.policy
[15:23] <alkisg> (if you don't fix the logins, that is, and you want to modify policykit instead
[15:24] <hermes_> Thank you again! :) loginctl says state is active.
[15:25] <alkisg> hermes_: are you logged in as "arjan" via vnc, and it says that state is active?
[15:25] <alkisg> You're not looking at the lightdm session, are you?
[15:26] <hermes_> I think i do. How can i check?
[15:26] <alkisg> Run: loginctl session-status | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:26] <alkisg> and paste the outupt here
[15:27] <hermes_> returns -> http://termbin.com/658g
[15:32] <alkisg> hermes_: the session state is indeed active, but you're not running a couple of other things like mate-session
[15:34] <alkisg> In any case, it's the login process that need to be debugged, not users-admin...
[15:34]  * alkisg waves, later...
[15:36] <hermes_> Thanx for you help, learned a lot from it!
[17:11] <toni> Good evening, Im new to HexChat - I have a question about "itunes", anyone have an idea how i can install itunes and get it to work on linux ??
[17:17] <Akuli> here's what i found http://askubuntu.com/questions/414737/how-do-i-install-itunes-on-ubuntu
[17:18] <Akuli> hmm
[17:19] <Akuli> the answer doesn't actually look that good
[17:19] <Akuli> toni, do you know how to open a terminal?
[17:24] <MartinKG> Hi. I have some problems with bluetooth, it can't detect any devices - Anybody know this issue or has some ideas?
[17:34] <toni> I can do it with the terminal Akuli
[17:34] <Akuli> ok
[17:34] <Akuli> install wine:  sudo apt-get install wine
[17:34] <toni> got wine
[17:34] <Akuli> ok
[17:34] <Akuli> does the windows itunes installer run in wine?
[17:35] <Akuli> $ wine Downloads/theinstaller.exe
[17:35] <toni> not the latest version though
[17:35] <Akuli> doesn't matter much
[17:35] <toni> i think version 10 of otunes might work they say
[17:36] <Akuli> try it out and see
[17:36] <toni> you see i have an ipad 2 that i would like to sync so that i dont have to do it on the mac
[17:37] <Akuli> how does this syncinc work? with bluetooth? an usb cable?
[17:37] <toni> i play in a duo band so i need to change / add my songs at the gig sometimes
[17:37] <toni> the ipad has its own usb cable
[17:38] <toni> its for my repertoire
[17:38] <Akuli> one option is of course virtualbox
[17:38] <toni> yes
[17:39] <Akuli> i haven't gotten usb's to work in virtualbox, but many other people have
[17:39] <toni> i was told that this morning, to use virtual box
[17:39] <Akuli> you still need a windows inside virtualbox
[17:39] <toni> just dont wanna install the whole windows os again thats the only thing
[17:39] <Akuli> yeah
[17:40] <Akuli> how about this http://askubuntu.com/a/687381
[17:40] <toni> ok let me go and read and ill come back to you again, thanks kind person AKULI
[17:41] <toni> bye
 you see i have an ipad 2 that i would like to sync so that i dont have to do it on the mac
[17:41] <Akuli> you have a mac?
[17:41] <toni> yes
[17:41] <toni> imac
[17:41] <Akuli> might be easiest to just use a mac for this
[17:41] <toni> 27 inch and its a killer
[17:41] <Akuli> hm
[17:42] <Akuli> apple's devices tend to work best with apple's devices
[17:42] <toni> but its in my studio, so when im at the gigs its difficult to come back home just for the sync ha ha lol
[17:42] <Akuli> i don't know
[17:42] <Akuli> if you can get itunes to work on ubuntu that's great
[17:43] <Akuli> if you can't then i don't know what to do :(
[17:43] <toni> im checking out that ASKUBUNTU
[17:43] <toni> see you later Akuli
[17:44] <Akuli> ok :)
[17:44] <toni> cool
[17:51] <DarkPsydeLord> Akuli: i share your same issue i cant get my usb devices to work inside my VM
[17:51] <DarkPsydeLord> tried many things but no success and i dont really care tbh
[17:52]  * alkisg has successfully shared his usb devices to virtualbox VMs...
[17:52] <DarkPsydeLord> alkisg: mine doesnt seem to work in ubuntu,suse or arch
[17:52] <DarkPsydeLord> but well i just got used to it
[17:53] <alkisg> What device are you trying to share? And do you have the vbox extensions installed?
[17:56] <DarkPsydeLord> usb, external hdd and yes i have all the extensions installed
[17:58] <DarkPsydeLord> funny thing is i cant even share clipboard on posix VM systems but i can in windows VM systems
[19:49] <Guest92825> Hi, i would like to donate, but not by PayPal. How can i send?
[19:49] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: ^
[20:11] <sixwheeledbeast> bitcoin or patreon are options for donation
[20:18] <Guest92825> i've seen. No any simple creditcard payment?
[20:46] <ali1234> that's what paypal is for
[22:20] <Stefan2204> hi all
[22:21] <Stefan2204> i need help for linux i use for frst time
[22:23] <Stefan2204> i whont to use linux for change android on phone and i need help from someone


[05:13] <penth> Anyone else have trouble with menu and screen-lock compositing? All my menus and modals are showing up behind all the other windows.
[05:18] <penth> It seems related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/867455 but never happened until week before last; this is the second time, first since the last kernel update.
[05:18] <penth> I'm using 12.04, btw
[05:19] <penth> aha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/735162
[08:58] <seb128> sil2100, didrocks: not sure if you saw but the fix for bug #1110138 created this regression recently in raring: bug #1138517
[08:59] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/compiz.fix_1110138/+merge/147548
[09:02] <sil2100> uh
[09:03] <sil2100> seb128: thanks for pointing this one out
[09:04] <seb128> sil2100, yw
[09:04] <sil2100> Will revert the change for now
[09:04] <seb128> makes sense, thanks!
[09:05] <didrocks> sil2100: remember that the branch we use now for compiz is lp:compiz/raring
[09:05] <didrocks> sil2100: do you mind reverting the libcolumbus change as well?
[09:06] <didrocks> sil2100: it seems to have created too many issues
[09:06] <sil2100> didrocks: libcolumbus for u-l-a?
[09:06] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah
[09:06] <didrocks> the hud part didn't land
[09:06] <didrocks> sil2100: I think you need to revert your tests as well to not break the indicator landing, isn't it?
[09:07] <sil2100> Ok, will find it and revert - will paste the merge requests here
[09:07] <didrocks> thanks sil2100 :)
[09:07] <sil2100> np :)
[09:23] <didrocks> sil2100: I added unity.tests.test_search to the indicator stack btw
[09:26] <satoris> The keyword test is fixed to use the calculator app as a test case. Please review soon so we can land the search regression fix.
[09:28] <sil2100> seb128: reviewing
[09:28] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks :)
[09:29] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/compiz/raring_revert_3616/+merge/151897 <- compiz revert, not sure if I should link it to bug #1138517 ?
[09:29] <sil2100> Since well, it basically fixes it
[09:31] <didrocks> sil2100: yes please, link to it
[09:31] <didrocks> sam isn't around
[09:33] <didrocks> sil2100: well, you don't need to really link to it in fact, as you put the reference in the commit message
[09:38] <sil2100> satoris: the 'arithmetic' keyword is taken from what place? The 'comment' field in the .desktop file?
[09:40] <satoris> sil2100: no, the "keyword" field.
[09:41] <satoris> Sorry, "Keywords".
[09:46] <sil2100> satoris: ah, see it, thanks
[09:50] <sil2100> satoris: hm, I'm rather fine with approving the branch as it is, the only problem I have is locale-depenedncy
[09:50] <sil2100> satoris: it's not a big deal for autolanding, but for testing on other machines it is - so I would only add locale independency to this test
[09:51] <sil2100> i.e. the 'result' Calculator I would do _('Calculator') after installing the gcalctool (or gnome-calculator) gettext
[09:51] <satoris> None of the other tests do that.
[09:51] <satoris> I.e. a bit lower it searches for "search entry".
[09:52] <sil2100> satoris: yes, but with those we have 100% certainity that it won't be translated
[09:52] <sil2100> As we create the menus ourselves, without any translations
[09:52] <sil2100> Same with Window Mocker - we have no plans on translating the name in any way
[09:53] <sil2100> While Calulator is an external app which is translated to all available languages
[09:53] <sil2100> Let me check something
[10:01] <sil2100> satoris: approved the test branch
[10:01] <satoris> Sorry for dropping out, compiling Mir made my machine swap out and die.
[10:01] <sil2100> satoris: probably the u-l-a change needs to get in first?
[10:02] <satoris> No, this test is a requirement for that fix getting in.
[10:03] <sil2100> So both need to get in more or less at the same time, so I approve the u-l-a change as well then
[10:03] <didrocks> you can merge both at the same time as it's an autopilot test and not an unit tests
[10:03] <sil2100> didrocks: fine with you? :)
[10:03] <didrocks> so, the autopilot tests will be ran only during next daily release
[10:03] <didrocks> sil2100: satoris: so fine with me ^ :)
[10:03] <didrocks> thanks both of you :)
[10:04] <sil2100> satoris: I'll take care of the locale-independency some other time, since it's not that easy to do, as we're using gettext.install() once already in these tests
[10:04] <sil2100> satoris: so I'll have to actually try working around that when it's needed
[10:04] <sil2100> For now, it's fine as it is
[10:05] <satoris> The search inaccuracy should now be fixed. Please let me know if there are still issues. Thanks for your help in getting the fix in.
[10:13] <didrocks> satoris: if that's done and fixed, can we go ahead with the HUD branch next?
[10:16] <satoris> I'd really like ted's assistance with that. Unfortunately he is quite busy...
[10:16] <didrocks> satoris: ah ok, so from our side, nothing else is needed?
[10:17] <didrocks> u-l-a is the only libcolumbus consumer as of now?
[10:17] <satoris> As of now, yes. Once we fix the Hud issue, that will be the second one.
[10:18] <didrocks> ok :)
[10:18] <satoris> Hopefully there will be more, but that is really up to app developers.
[10:43] <didrocks> sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity/json_perl/+merge/151915
[10:43] <didrocks> (and yes, the build-dep is in main)
[11:01] <didrocks> thanks sil2100
[12:31] <einonm_> 0
[12:35] <einonm_> I've just updated my desktop to 13.04, and I'm not getting any unity icons or title bar on my desktop - are there logs available somewhere where I can look for errors?
[13:24] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, all merged \o/
[13:24] <didrocks> sil2100: I'm running a new daily manually for the regression
[13:24] <didrocks> seb128: FYI ^
[13:25] <seb128> didrocks, thanks!
[13:26] <didrocks> yw
[13:33] <didrocks> mterry: hey, FYI, we had some regression on compiz (and on the lens recommends)
[13:33] <didrocks> mterry: so, I just rerun a build right now
[13:36] <mterry> didrocks, OK, thanks
[13:36] <didrocks> mterry: you will have a package change (a build-dep that I added on perl-json)
[13:36] <didrocks> which is in main
[13:37] <didrocks> but we have time (~2h) before everything built
[14:15] <sil2100> \o/
[14:17] <mterry> didrocks, sorry for letting that lens-recommends bug through when reviewing the packaging.  I assumed that if it built, it was probably working fine  :)
[14:17] <didrocks> mterry: who did that crap? oh me!
[14:17] <didrocks> but I'll blame you
[14:17] <didrocks> not sure I pardon you :p
[14:18]  * didrocks runs away
[14:18] <mterry> didrocks, well, mistakes happen, but we have multiple review steps here to prevent them from hitting the archive
[14:18] <didrocks> mterry: TBH, I would have been trapped as well the same way ;)
[14:18] <didrocks> mterry: as we don't see the "result control file"
[14:18] <didrocks> so I would have +1 if someone else did the same:/
[14:18] <mterry> didrocks, yeah, I can forgive the MP reviewer, but I should have checked the generated deb file in the PPA
[14:19] <mterry> Ah well, next time
[14:19] <didrocks> indeed :)
[14:19] <didrocks> no harm done as long as we release today
[14:44] <davmor2> hey guys I did a fresh install of todays iso and this is how the dash greets me http://ubuntuone.com/4VY5XIUSXNWvpTzctl3hS9
[14:44] <davmor2> any info I can get on it or a possible fix would be nice
[14:48] <bschaefer> davmor2, hmm strange, well first lets check if you have anything here: /usr/share/unity/lenses
[14:48] <bschaefer> which is where the lens info is stored, if you could do: ls /usr/share/unity/lenses
[14:48] <davmor2> gwibber
[14:49] <bschaefer> thats no good, alright, now lets check if you have them installed
[14:49] <bschaefer> sudo apt-get install unity-lens-application
[14:49]  * bschaefer thinks that the right package
[14:49] <bschaefer> davmor2, sudo apt-get install unity-lens-applications
[14:50] <davmor2> bschaefer: Nope not installed
[14:50] <bschaefer> davmor2, well installing that one should give you the applications lens but you'll want some other ones
[14:51] <davmor2> bschaefer: let me see is ubuntu-desktop is installed and do an update
[14:51] <bschaefer> davmor2, alright, installing the lens should fix that problem for you... but I find it strange that it wasn't installed by default...
[14:51] <bschaefer> davmor2, is it letting you install them?
[14:52] <davmor2> bschaefer: didrocks and pitti are talking to me else where
[14:52] <davmor2> one second
[14:52] <bschaefer> davmor2, no worries, they are the people I was about to ping about this :)
[14:53] <bschaefer> (also after you install them you have to do this at the command line: "unity")
[17:10] <didrocks> mterry: unity is ready for your approval :)
[17:21]  * sil2100 likes to see no failures in the indicator autopilot stack
[17:21] <didrocks> sil2100: good job!
[17:22] <cyphermox> +1
[17:34] <mterry> didrocks, done
[17:35] <mterry> sil2100, if this were a real UDS, I'd be buying you a bunch of beers for your test work
[17:36] <mterry> sil2100, did you ever look at why nvidia has more (and more variance) test failures?  If we could get that in line with the other platforms, we could lower the failure threshold again
[17:36] <sil2100> mterry: thanks ;) But it wasn't just me! It's a cooperative work of many people, such as andyrock as well
[17:37] <sil2100> mterry: I didn't look yet into the code, but from the videos I saw that for instance all preview test failures were resulting from strange timing errors
[17:37] <mterry> sil2100, true.  I just always poke you first, and then things happen.  But you're right.  /me hugs andyrock and bregma and others
[17:37] <sil2100> i.e. things not happening fast enough
[17:37] <sil2100> bschaefer, bregma and others indeed ;)
[17:38] <bregma> good things take time
[17:38] <mterry> sil2100, so the nvidia machine is just slower than the others it sounds like?
[17:38] <bschaefer> yay for passing tests
[17:39] <sil2100> mterry: could be, but on the other hand normally it didn't happen before
[17:39] <mterry> bschaefer, :)
[17:40] <mterry> bschaefer, sorry I forgot your nick earlier when I was handing out hugs
[17:40] <bschaefer> mterry, haha, its ok (I was under the others!)
[17:40]  * bschaefer wonders how much shipping beer costs
[17:42] <sil2100> ;)
[18:01] <andyrock> sil2100, all thank to you ;)
[18:01] <andyrock> *ks
[20:13] <j-johan-edwards> Where are the PPAs for building lp:unity/phablet?  launchpad.net/~manhattan-team/+archive/ppa gives me a "Not allowed here" page...
[21:07] <j-johan-edwards> Ah, I just saw this merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet-fix-build-scripts/+merge/151470
[21:07] <j-johan-edwards> Is that updated script correct? (not merged yet)
[21:09] <j-johan-edwards> Or wait, do I not need some of those on raring?


[00:00] <cyberanger> beyond that, sorta your choice, found simple stock ones work, don't fight fitting them & while they may break quicker, still talking some good years for a cheap heatsink
[00:01] <chris4585> hrm so just look for one supported by amd athlon?
[00:02] <chris4585> I see there are different sizes, should that matter?
[00:02] <cyberanger> battery made it past 2 hours, 10% and dropping
[00:02] <cyberanger> chris4585: yep
[00:03] <cyberanger> chris4585: give me 20 minutes or so, I'll get you your socket type from your cpu info
[00:04] <cyberanger> chris4585: ^^ don't want the battery going full blown critical
[00:05] <chris4585> thanks cyberanger I appreciate it, I just don't want to buy something and have it not the right type
[00:05] <chris4585> I believe I'm gonna replace the heatsink with one from newegg
[00:25] <chris4585> I was looking it up, looks like socket A is what I need
[00:37]  * Unit193 wonders if anyone is really bored and wants to test Gtalk :D
[00:58] <cyberanger> Unit193: considering it's working now, why test
[00:59] <cyberanger> chris4585: sorry, did I say 20 minutes, I meant 54 minutes :-/
[00:59] <cyberanger> errands, never plan a deadline around them
[01:00] <Unit193> cyberanger: More of Pidgin + GTalk + my setup (worked with Skype though)
[01:00] <cyberanger> pidgin, blah
[01:00]  * cyberanger is no longer bored
[01:01] <Unit193> It works...
[01:01] <cyberanger> Unit193: sorta kidding, finch is decent, but bitlbee is more my thing
[01:01] <cyberanger> chris4585: you here
[01:01] <Unit193> cyberanger: Voice over biblbee?
[01:02] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah
[01:11] <cyberanger> chris4585: can you run lshw & upload output?
[01:11] <cyberanger> Unit193: I'm into VoIPoAC
[01:12] <cyberanger> Voice over Internet Protocall over Avian Carrier
[01:20] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah hold on
[01:20] <chris4585> I can try
[01:21] <cyberanger> chris4585: there is a plan b if that's an issue
[01:24] <chris4585> no go right now
[01:25] <cyberanger> go for plan a, or go for plan b
[01:26] <chris4585> can't get to command prompt
[01:26] <chris4585> but if it helps this is the exact model and same info http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883107363
[01:27] <cyberanger> chris4585: lemme load that & that should be enough
[01:28]  * cyberanger clicks
[01:30] <cyberanger> chris4585: socket AM2 (forgot how old that socket is)
[01:30] <cyberanger> so a heatsink that fits a socket AM2 that isn't fighting it's way into your case
[01:31] <cyberanger> ideally it has a small fan built-in
[01:31] <cyberanger> (well, any fan that isn't overkill, you'll get the idea looking around)
[01:37] <chris4585> sorry cyberanger I keep getting distract and with no notifications lol
[01:37] <chris4585> hrm alright I thought so
[01:38] <chris4585> I believe cyberanger thats the same as socket A?
[01:40] <chris4585> ah nvm I think I found some AM2 type heatsinks on newegg
[01:48] <chris4585> I believe I found a nice solution http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200014
[01:54] <cyberanger> looks like a newegg part
[02:06] <chris4585> yeah it looks like it would work with what I need
[02:08] <cyberanger> don't see anything to suggest otherwise
[02:08] <chris4585> also the pci nob thingamadoodle looks rather nice
[02:22] <chris4585> well that didn't cost me too much, just $20
[02:35] <wrst> cyberanger: any tools out there that let you know how much power a machine is drawing
[02:44] <cyberanger> wrst: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001
[02:44] <wrst> ahh cyberanger thank you i need to get one of those
[02:45] <wrst> cyberanger:  curious which machine is more effecient
[02:49]  * wrst gets silly and upgrades his server to 11.10
[03:03]  * cyberanger has some crazy ideas on making tor even more bulletproof, I really need to pick a task and do it, my todo list is already bigger than my wallet
[03:03] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger you need to find people willing to pay you!
[03:05] <cyberanger> yeah, or something
[03:11] <cyberanger> passive radar, my own phone network (complete with celluar towers) my own isp, censorship avoidance, compact radio transmitters for FM radio, (compared to your usual TV brodcast setup) a compact TV transmitter
[03:11] <wrst> cyberanger: sounds like an evil plot to rule the world
[03:11] <cyberanger> and that's the tip (but nowhere near short) list
[03:11]  * Unit193 wonders what the phone and ISP service will cost ;)
[03:12] <cyberanger> wrst: is it evil if it's aim is to oust a certain dictator <cough>Bashar al-Assad</cough> from a certian country <cough>syria</cough>
[03:13] <cyberanger> and able to be adapted for elsewhere <really long cough>iran comes to mind</really long cough>
[03:15] <cyberanger> and that's actually the funny thing, it's mostly just a mere technical intrest (the remainder is a bit of a dare)
[03:16] <wrst> Unit193: i was wondering the same thing
[03:19] <cyberanger> Unit193: depends on if it ever happens, and the costs to get it to happen
[03:19] <cyberanger> but I bet it'd be lower than most
[03:20] <cyberanger> due to the nature of how I'd aim to set it up, both technically and otherwise
[03:22] <wrst> cyberanger: i downloaded 5GB on wed, woudl there be a penalty for that?
[03:22] <cyberanger> mesh networking & utility cooperative, little infrastructure costs, and due to the type of business, be hard to make a profit that hurt consumers as long as it stays a cooperative business, vs a for-profit corporation
[03:23] <cyberanger> wrst: did you pay for 5GB on wed. if yes, then why would there be, if no, your not a customer, no overage fee, but a penalty, yep
[03:24] <cyberanger> that'd be my model, no caps, effort to maintain a quality of speed
[03:24]  * Unit193 likes always on with no caps :D
[03:24] <wrst> oh as far as I know its unlimited... but I'm trying to figure out what caused me to go over 5GB i did have pandora running all night would that do it?
[03:24] <cyberanger> again, upstream ISP is one cost I can't control, that's the pain
[03:24] <cyberanger> oh, you mean not a hypothetical for this....right
[03:25] <wrst> cyberanger: yeah i mean i really dl'd 5GB on wed :)
[03:25] <wrst> just checking my router logs
[03:25] <cyberanger> penalty with pandora?
[03:25] <cyberanger> or your ISP?
[03:26] <cyberanger> and it does seem high for audio, but if it were literally all night & tack on the iso's you downloaded for ubuntu, maybe
[03:26] <cyberanger> any video too
[03:26] <cyberanger> youtube, hulu, cbs?
[03:26] <cyberanger> gaming, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, online of course
[03:28] <wrst> cyberanger: http://welseystout.no-ip.org/usage.png
[03:28] <cyberanger> wrst: umm, check your link man
[03:29] <wrst> cyberanger: http://wesleystout.no-ip.org/usage.png
[03:29] <wrst> cyberanger: i can't spell my own name!
[03:30] <cyberanger> well, I know spell check binaries shouldn't be 5GB worth (bad joke I know, but I couldn't resist)
[03:30] <chris4585> hey wrst
[03:30] <chris4585> lol
[03:31] <wrst> hey chris4585
[03:31] <wrst> cyberanger: maybe my wife was netflixing a lot?
[03:36] <cyberanger> yeah, with bind9 & squid I've got more detailed logs on requests for what from where, could guess better
[03:36] <cyberanger> pandora played a role, if you told me 24 hours, maybe I'd believe 1-2GB tops
[03:37] <wrst> yeah it was 24 hours, Unit193 created a monster :)
[03:37] <Unit193> :D
[03:38] <wrst> and I'm assuming dd-wrt is correct in its computin'
[03:38] <cyberanger> granted, that alone could be it, all I can do is guess, but if I'm guessing (partially based on my own data from hulu, cbs, crackle, pandora & well, my usage in general, 24 hours, 5 GB of data, pandora alone couldn't be more than 50% of that, running nonstop for 24 hours, unrealistic still)
[03:40] <cyberanger> now, a few hours of netflix, plus most of the day with pandora (a much more likely scenario I would think) could do that easily
[03:40] <cyberanger> or a few hours of netflix & no pandora could do it
[03:41] <cyberanger> a penality is unlikely for 5GB in one day, now a monthly total maybe a different story
[03:41] <Unit193> Too bad cyberanger doesn't use Tomato, I could just grab the css file off him that he would have made :P
[03:41] <cyberanger> Unit193: me, css files, why?
[03:42] <wrst> cyberanger: i don't think my isp knows how to figure that out :)
[03:42] <cyberanger> and shame you don't use bind9, dhcp3 & squid, or I could just ask to see your /var/log
[03:42] <cyberanger> wrst: figure out your the guy that used 5GB of their data, poor poor isp
[03:43] <Unit193> cyberanger: Supports custom theme
[03:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, but there's even more power in my case
[03:44] <Unit193> Aye
[03:44] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i need to do that I guess :)
[03:48] <cyberanger> wrst: do what, go overboard in building your own router?
[03:49] <wrst> ha ha :)
[03:50] <cyberanger> wrst: in fairness, it actually isn't a bad idea to do some of that in some way
[03:50] <cyberanger> you have ddwrt & a server with a static ip
[03:50] <wrst> yep
[03:51] <cyberanger> most traffic that you'd want to follow for this is on port 80, dns shows the others
[03:51] <cyberanger> no reason setting up squid on that server with a fairly simple howto couldn't be done
[03:52] <cyberanger> then use squidview for reviewing requests
[03:52] <wrst> i just went over 2GB today :) but downloaded an ubuntu dvd by mistake instead of cd
[03:53] <cyberanger> that'd do it
[03:57] <wrst> and I really don't know why i care :)
[04:40] <chris4585> was reading a forum and came across this..
[04:40] <chris4585> Disclaimer: don't eat your CPU and or Heat sink and don't lick the thermal compound. Don't try to insert an Oreo cookie into your socket 939 or any other electronic device. Do not refer to a double-stuffed Oreo as a 'Dual-Core Oreo'
[06:46] <vychune> sup people
[11:56] <vychune> o/
[12:01] <cyberanger> vychune: wazzup
[12:01] <vychune> nothing
[12:01] <vychune> cricket broadband decided to stop messing up
[12:02] <vychune> yay
[12:03]  * cyberanger hands vychune a 2 by 6 to knock on
[12:03] <vychune> brb. Fire fox update
[12:03] <vychune> LOL!
[12:03] <vychune> brb
[12:11] <wrst> cyberanger: you in one of those never sleep modes? :)
[12:11] <cyberanger> wrst: not far from it
[12:11] <cyberanger> ugh
[12:13] <cyberanger> the end result should be worth it, but atm I f'd rather kill myself with a spoon
[12:13] <wrst> oh man you need sleep, my server is about to finish the upgrade i had to leave it be last night ubuntu's servers were slow... imagine that!
[12:13]  * cyberanger admits that sounded better in my head
[12:13] <wrst> ha ha
[12:13] <wrst> well no sleep does that to you ;)
[12:13] <cyberanger> lol
[12:14] <cyberanger> wrst: what about the Argonne National Labortory, RIT, GATECH, MIT or others
[12:15] <wrst> i just used the default mirror i should have changed
[12:15] <wrst> gatech usually has good speed, but didn't think about it until i started :)
[12:22] <cyberanger> so, ctrl-c
[12:22] <cyberanger> unless it's past the downloading stage
[12:22] <vychune> i was wondering why yall werent saying anything lol
[12:22] <cyberanger> apt is smart about completing downloads
[12:23] <cyberanger> vychune: where's the at 2 by 6 I wanted you to knock
[12:23] <vychune> First: the at?
[12:23]  * vychune knocks on wood
[12:24] <cyberanger> and now wrst departs, hrm
[12:24] <cyberanger> that's odd for him, guess his server upgrade is done
[12:24] <vychune> you on G+ yet?
[12:26] <vychune> cyberanger: you on G+ yet?
[12:26] <cyberanger> not using it
[12:28] <vychune> oh okj
[12:28] <vychune> oh ok
[12:28] <vychune> wrst whats good
[12:29] <wrst> i don't know yet vychune, hoping my server upgrades ok :)
[12:29] <wrst> how are you doing vychune ?
[12:29] <vychune> ok
[12:29] <vychune> was good but mom woke up
[12:29] <vychune> brb
[12:29] <cyberanger> there's enough social networking analysis & network theroy as is
[12:30] <cyberanger> vychune: ^
[12:49] <xpistos> morning all
[12:53] <wrst> morning xpistos
[13:00] <xpistos> So how are we doing today?
[13:07] <vychune> xpistos: ok
[13:10] <xpistos> Juzzy: FYI, I don't know if I told you this or not, but after your help, I had someone contact me about a new job and long story short, I start on the 24th. Thank you!
[13:34] <vychune> xpistos: great news dude
[13:39] <vychune> firefox crash :/
[13:44] <vychune> just found out someone used my account on Youtube to spam people
[13:45] <cyberanger> oh that's fun :/
[13:45] <wrst> wow vychune :\ stinks
[13:46] <vychune> yeah
[13:47] <vychune> if there wasnt copyright issues i wouldnt have know
[13:49] <vychune> known
[14:04] <cyberanger> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316330_10150318321091903_526881902_8385449_1701124345_n.jpg
[14:04] <cyberanger> that's awesome, in an orwellian sort of way ^^
[14:13] <vychune> lol
[14:19] <cyberanger> vychune: you like?
[14:20] <vychune> it's cool in a crazy sort of way
[14:21] <cyberanger> well, it's a crazy world (nice satire anyway)
[14:28]  * vychune googles satire
[14:29]  * cyberanger spell checks it in case, checks out
[14:29] <cyberanger> vychune: think paradoy
[14:30] <vychune> should have spell checked that lo
[14:30] <vychune> *lol
[14:30] <cyberanger> well, it was right
[14:30] <cyberanger> vychune: know of Stephen Colbert, The Colbert Report
[14:30] <cyberanger> ?
[14:30] <vychune> watched it once
[14:31] <vychune> i like the daily show better
[14:32] <cyberanger> both are about the same I'd bet, a satire of most news media in the US, journalists who are opinioniated & self-rightous (not neutral like a journalist should be)
[14:33] <cyberanger> that's a pirme example of a satire
[14:33] <cyberanger> a paradoy is a little different (and that photo is a bit of both, there is room for overlap)
[14:35] <cyberanger> I think british & french humour it's more distinct from the other, america, we have our own ideas of humour (however, I've broadened my horizions somewhat)
[14:39] <cyberanger> there was a satire made in 1979, set in (at that moment) the future, 1998, called Americathon, was a bit ironic in that some of the humour became real, for example of some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americathon#Satirical_predictions
[14:40] <cyberanger> to me, watching that this month, made it even funnier in some ways
[14:40] <cyberanger> (actually, last month, but it stood out, could have been yesterday)
[14:41] <cyberanger> The President Is A Yutz
[14:58] <vychune> o/
[15:11] <cosmicpizza> hey vychune
[15:17] <vychune> hey man sorry i dozed off lol
[15:18] <vychune> binarymutant: whats happening?
[15:21] <cyberanger> vychune: um, his connection reset, been quiet here all morning
[15:21] <vychune> lol
[15:21] <vychune> ok
[15:21] <cyberanger> from him that is
[15:22] <vychune> i got ya
[16:29] <wrst> wb electricus_
[16:32] <binarymutant> back :D
[16:36] <wrst> binarymutant: how are you doing?
[16:38] <binarymutant> good and you wrst?
[16:39] <wrst> doing well binarymutant
[16:39] <wrst> what are you up to?
[16:40] <binarymutant> just got back home from a long night
[16:40] <binarymutant> catching up with the 2 days I missed
[16:41] <wrst> ohh
[16:41] <binarymutant> well 1 day
[16:41] <wrst> wb binarymutant :)
[16:42] <binarymutant> ty :D
[21:10] <cyberanger> bbl
[21:29] <binarymutant>  had to go back to firefox and vimperator, luakit segfaults waay to much for actual use
[21:31] <binarymutant> might try http://surf.suckless.org out for full time use though, I never had a problem with it while playing with it
[23:02] <Unit193> wrst: I can kind of see why you like quassel, but there is no way I'm switching :P
[23:02] <Unit193> Link previews is kind of cool
[23:03] <wrst> Unit193: its pretty nice and its always on etc etc
[23:03] <wrst> so i likey
[23:04] <Unit193> Still like my irssi much better, but I knew this wasn't bad
[23:04] <Unit193> Xchat is only better because it has highlight ignore, this and irssi doesn't
[23:05] <wrst> no its not bad at all but as good of a pure client as irssi
[23:05] <Unit193> wrst: Anyway, I'm on it now (for now) while doing updates in the OS I never use :P
[23:07] <wrst> ha ha on winders?
[23:07] <binarymutant> highlight ignore?
[23:20] <Unit193> wrst: Kubuntu
[23:21] <Unit193> binarymutant: Yep, disable a bot from highlighting you
[23:21] <binarymutant> hmm
[23:21] <wrst> ohh Unit193 why you in kubuntu? :)
[23:22] <Unit193> Because I'm updating it and upgrading to Oneiric on it
[23:22] <wrst> ahh nice Unit193
[23:23] <Unit193> I don't actually use it
[23:23] <Unit193> Eh, irssi is a bit easier...
[23:25] <Unit193> wrst: irssi-proxy = :D
[23:25] <wrst> Unit193: irssi-proxy?
[23:26] <Unit193> Quassel is running through irssi (when I send a message there, it shows up as sent from here)
[23:26] <wrst> ahh cool Unit193 very cool
[23:26] <Unit193> And I just switched back (Will be back in quassel in a sec)
[23:30] <wrst> nice
[23:37] <Unit193> Getting backlog is harder :/
[23:39] <Unit193> This is the best I can see http://wouter.coekaerts.be/irssi/proxy_backlog  (Mind you, I don't even know why I'm looking this up as I like irssi as the client, not bouncer :P )


[00:09] <L0neRanger> duanedesign: thats what I was trying to do. When this happened. I selected new Account. Entered my email address. Received the link. ANd the link doesn't work
[00:09] <duanedesign> L0neRanger: instead of using the link open Ubuntu one; Go to Applications >> Internet and click Ubuntu One.
[00:10] <L0neRanger> duanedesign: After I do this, it shows up in the top right panel with only one option > Connect. Nothing else.
[00:11] <duanedesign> L0neRanger: if you right click you will have additional options
[00:12] <duanedesign> open a folder opens the Ubuntu One folder locally. Go to web accesses the web UI
[00:12] <L0neRanger> duanedesign: Yes I did. But nothing useful. But it works now. Here's what I did. Double-clicked on the icon. And followed it from there. Thanks for your assistance
[00:13] <L0neRanger> duanedesign: Thanks a lot for your help. Next I should read the documentation ( if its available that it)
[00:13] <duanedesign> L0neRanger: if you set the 'limit bandwidth usage' make sure not to leave either value at 0. That is a bug that is currently being worked on :)
[00:13] <duanedesign> L0neRanger: a good link is the Tutorials...
[00:13] <L0neRanger> duanedesign: Sure.
[00:14] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials
[00:14] <duanedesign> L0neRanger: also the FAQs on Launchpad have a lot of useful info
[00:15] <duanedesign> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faqs
[00:15] <L0neRanger> I'll check them out for sure. thanks. Have been most helpful.
[00:21] <duanedesign> joshuahoover: just saw the changes you made on the wiki. Those were good improvements. I like the way you evened up the menus, among other things. Oh, and you did the bugs page, I noticed late last night it didnt have the MenuBar.
[07:34] <psyphercode> hello ubuntuone team
[09:24] <rye> ubottu: test bug 1
[09:24] <rye> ok, Empathy works
[11:18] <rye> ALARM
[11:20] <rye> Note syncing produces blank notes on tomboy side
[11:20] <rye> bug 524339
[12:48] <wgrant> Is that Notes email on the list real? It purports to come from a Canonical support engineer but is not sent from a Canonical email address or server.
[12:49] <beuno> wgrant, it is
[12:49] <beuno> rye, but he has a point
[12:49] <beuno> using your canonical email address would probably be best in the future  :)
[12:50] <wgrant> Yeah, if you want it to be taken seriously, sending it from a random Ukrainian domain is /probably/ not the best way to go about it.
[12:50] <beuno> wgrant, thanks for the heads' up
[12:52] <rye> wgrant, beuno, thanks, ok, need to re-register myself
[12:52] <beuno> rye, it's a launchpam mailing list, no?
[12:53] <beuno> *launchpad
[12:53] <rye> beuno, right, it is
[12:53] <beuno> rye, so if you add your canonical email to launchpad
[12:53] <beuno> you can send emails via that address
[12:53] <beuno> no need ro re-register
[12:54] <rye> awesome, I've been sending emails from yandex.ua to canonical tech mailing list as well
[12:54] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:56] <rye> ok, i am still trying to get the server up and running locally so that I can test the fix for that
[13:02] <rye> heh, it looks like i broke launchpad's +editemails, i have added all my mail addresses to login.ubuntu.com, now i can't add them here.
[13:03] <beuno> ay
[13:03] <beuno> rye, contact stuartm on #canonical
[13:09] <rye> beuno, thanks.
[13:09]  * rye is buggy today
[14:06] <kenvandine> hey dobey, why would ubuntuone-preferences just not doing anything?
[14:06] <kenvandine> getting no window or error
[14:41] <verterok> kenvandine: did you try running it from CLI?
[14:41] <kenvandine> yes
[14:41] <kenvandine> nothing
[14:41] <kenvandine> just sits there
[14:41] <kenvandine> no UI
[14:42] <kenvandine> no crash either
[14:42] <verterok> kenvandine: this is using trunk?
[14:42] <kenvandine> no, what's in lucid
[14:42]  * verterok apt-get update's
[14:42] <kenvandine> note it was working yesterday
[14:43] <verterok> kenvandine: did you uninstalled something? :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> don't think so...
[14:43] <kenvandine> :)
[14:45] <issyl0> OK, I think my wiki page is slightly better now!
[14:45] <issyl0> Argh, wrong window, sorry!
[14:47] <verterok> kenvandine: it might be opening a firefox tab/window to get the tokens?
[14:50] <verterok> kenvandine: I just removed all the tokens from the keyring and launching the preferences, make it sit there until I authorize the machine
[14:52] <kenvandine> no browser opening...
[14:52]  * kenvandine is about to reboot... let me test after that :)
[14:54] <verterok> kenvandine: check the oauth-login logs, just in case ;)
[14:55] <kenvandine> 2010-02-19 09:03:36,860:860.47911644 ubuntuone-login Starting Ubuntu One login manager version 1.1.2
[14:55] <verterok> :(
[14:55] <kenvandine> brb
[15:23] <rye> rodrigo_, i have just finished running make test on the server side code :)
[15:30] <rodrigo_> rye, and?
[15:30] <rye> rodrigo_, and I am now trying to log in
[15:30] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[15:31] <vds> Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS aquarius beuno CardinalFang Chipaca dobey jblount rodrigo_ teknico ?
[15:32] <rodrigo_> me
[15:33] <beuno> me
[15:33] <CardinalFang> vi
[15:33] <CardinalFang> me
[15:33] <teknico> meeezzica
[15:37] <Chipaca> me
[15:38] <Chipaca> vds: go
[15:38] <vds> DONE: #523861 proposed, code review
[15:38] <vds> TODO: more code review
[15:38] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:39] <vds> rodrigo_ please
[15:39] <rodrigo_> • DONE: fixed lxml branch to work with hardy package. Download status polling. On-call review. Dbus method for sharing with multiple contacts. Fixed returned blank notes in Tomboy syncing
[15:39] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Add jslint tests to check. & in note titles. Poll asynchronously download status on music store and increment dbus timeout (or start SD before we use it and force it to be connected). fix play-library signal
[15:39] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:39] <rodrigo_> beuno: go
[15:39] <beuno> DONE: Proposed the show-me-my-phone branch, moved forward with funambol deployment, rumor has it, it works
[15:39] <aquarius> oh, oops. me
[15:39] <beuno> TODO: Fix failing tests for my branch, tweak it so it ensures we never create more than 1 user per user
[15:39] <beuno> BLOCKED: no
[15:39] <beuno> CardinalFang, go
[15:41] <CardinalFang> DONE: More work on get_port through dbus.
[15:41] <CardinalFang> TODO: Finish.  The service startup has threads deep into other get_port usage.  Grr.
[15:41] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: A virus has turned my body into a factory for making more viruses.
[15:41] <CardinalFang> teknico, please.
[15:41] <teknico> DONE: more work on the Funambol deployment with mthaddon, beuno and others
[15:41] <teknico> TODO: making phone sync work
[15:41] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:41] <teknico> next: Chipaca
[15:41] <Chipaca> DONE: planning for sprint, looking into asking for exceptions. TODO: wrap those two up, look at what's in ubuntuone-client. BLOCKED: nope. NEXT: aquarius
[15:42] <aquarius> TODO: geoip for the music store. Get it deployed to edge. Help rodrigo_ with download progress. Instruct beta testers.
[15:42] <aquarius> DONE: much, much music store stuff. got it into lucid.
[15:42] <aquarius> BLOCKED: download daemon doesn't work. alecu-at-beunos is working on it.
[15:54] <dobey> kenvandine: no idea why it wouldn't come up really. Unless the REST calls are blocking it, or the login bits maybe.
[15:54] <dobey> and I am off today (swap day)
[15:54] <kenvandine> dobey, np, a reboot fixed it
[15:56] <rye> rodrigo_, ok, i have tested it and it looks like it is pretending to be working :). So, as a side note - should I check the bulleted lists with trunk version or there is something else that needs to be merged?
[16:01] <rye> kenvandine, btw, thank you very much for xchat-gnome-indicator!
[16:03] <kenvandine> rye, great :)
[16:04] <aquarius> kenvandine, you did that? I love it to bits. :)
[16:04] <kenvandine> haha... yup
[16:33] <bigpig> rye, facundobatista: ubuntuone is not updating again...
[16:33] <bigpig> hold that....
[16:33] <bigpig> I have an "updating" icon now.....
[16:33] <bigpig> I will update later.
[16:34] <rye> bigpig, ok, I am very sorry but the response times from us may increase  - we are now fixing the issue with the notes.
[16:35] <bigpig> rye: No problem.
[16:38] <LaireTM> how i can add ubuntu one to the autostart?
[16:46] <LaireTM> I uload a file over the webinterface from another pc, but i cant see the file on my ubuntu system and it looks like he cant connect to ubuntu one
[16:53] <duanedesign> hello LaireTM
[16:53] <LaireTM> hello
[16:53] <duanedesign> LaireTM: are you running Karmic or Jaunty?
[16:53] <bigpig> rye: do you think the work you're doing on Notes could be affecting the file update sync time?
[16:54] <rye> bigpig, not really, these are unrelated processes, is there something wrong with file sync at the moment?
[16:55] <bigpig> I was here a couple of days ago with the issue of files not syncing. (You may not remember.) I got it working, but it seems to have "stalled" again (for lack of a better term).
[16:55] <LaireTM> duanedesign: "Karmic Koala"
[16:56] <duanedesign> LaireTM: Does the applet appear when you go to App > Internet > Ubuntu One
[16:56] <bigpig> rye: I set up some crons to dump stuff inthe the Ubuntu\  One folder. Those are not being synced. It has symptoms of being related to the screen saver or low-power mode.
[16:58] <LaireTM> duandesign: i get the connection options (show symbol and so on)
[16:59] <duanedesign> LaireTM: ok that means its already running
[17:00] <LaireTM> duanedesign: but it it seems like i cant connect, when i use the firefox i can connect
[17:00] <LaireTM> to the web interface
[17:00] <duanedesign> LaireTM: lets see what version of the client you have. Can you open a Terminal (App > Accesories>Terminal) and run :   dpkg -l ubuntuone-client
[17:01] <duanedesign> were interested in the 'Version' column
[17:02] <rye> bigpig, anything interesting in the logs?
[17:02] <duanedesign> LaireTM: also look in the folder ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/
[17:02] <LaireTM> duanedesign: 1.0.2
[17:03] <duanedesign> LaireTM: and se if you have a file: syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[17:03] <duanedesign> LaireTM: ok lets update your cient
[17:03] <bigpig> rye: state: STANDOFF_WAITING_WITH_NETWORK_WITH_BOTHQ
[17:03] <duanedesign> LaireTM: you can open System > Administration > update Manager and you should have an ubuntuone-client update waiting
[17:04] <LaireTM> duanedesign, ok update is running
[17:04] <rye> bigpig, it means that there was disconnect at some point but syncdaemon did not get that.
[17:05] <bigpig> rye: if I dump a file to the u1 folder, but only the timestamp has changed, will u1 update the file on the server, or just compair and move on?
[17:05] <bigpig> rye: should I manuall disconnect and reconnect?
[17:06] <rye> bigpig, yes, until this is resolved for the client - yes, this will need manual interaction.
[17:09] <bigpig> rye: disconnect was ignored. I Quit and restarted u1. Got the "u1 is updating files" popup.... Files on server appear to have not been touched or updated. No message to log upon u1 start.
[17:10] <bigpig> rye: Ugh... never mind. Just got a "updated 15 files popup."
[17:10] <bigpig> rye: still no messages to syncdaemon.log.
[17:11] <rye> bigpig, syncdaemon.log is moved to syncdaemon.log_something and reopened on startup, that's why tail -f and less (F) will not follow the lines added
[17:12] <bigpig> rye: ah, yes... filenodes... *love*
[17:34] <duanedesign> LaireTM: after the updates. Quit the client ,right-click the applet-> 'quit'. In a Terminal run 'usdtool -q' to quit syncdaemon. Then Applications > Internet> Ubuntu One and you will be running the more recent version
[17:36] <LaireTM> duanedesign: works now thx
[17:36] <duanedesign> LaireTM: great!
[18:46]  * CardinalFang boggles at program exiting inside twisted event loop, without returning from run() .
[18:59] <elliotjhug> Hi, quick bit of difficulty with ubuntu one, just placed some files in my Ubuntu One directory, which it proceeded to say it had sync'd - yet I can't see them on the web interface or on my desktop. Anything I should check?
[19:05] <sandy|lurk> rodrigo_: so I saw the email about the new "empty note" U1 bug...does that mean the new converter stuff has been deployed?
[19:06]  * sandy|lurk assumes new bugs mean new code :-)
[19:06] <rodrigo_> sandy|lurk, no, but it's coming, already merged
[19:07] <sandy|lurk> cool!
[19:07] <rodrigo_> sandy|lurk, before it wasn't even merged because of the python-lxml problems
[19:07] <sandy|lurk> ah
[19:07] <rodrigo_> sandy|lurk, that bug was added when I moved the notes to be stored in xml
[19:07] <sandy|lurk> oh, sweet, you did that already?
[19:08] <rodrigo_> sandy|lurk, yes, deployed a week ago or so
[19:09] <sandy|lurk> rodrigo_: nice; I thought that was waiting on the converter...thought you had to run the converter on all the existing stored notes
[19:09] <rodrigo_> sandy|lurk, it was waiting on the converter, but since python-lxml was giving so many problems, we decided to deploy that
[19:10] <rodrigo_> sandy|lurk, thus, tomboy users that don't use the web UI won't be affected anymore by the old converter bugs
[19:10] <sandy|lurk> rodrigo_: awesome, awesome, awesome
[19:10] <rodrigo_> :)
[19:11] <sandy|lurk> will have to test it out next week
[19:12] <rodrigo_> cool
[19:18] <rye> ok, it looks like someone is very wise changing the assignments and statuses for the existing bugs
[19:20] <rye> do we have any scripts that will restore bugs to their original state before the "attack" ?
[19:26] <CardinalFang> i don't think so.
[19:27] <CardinalFang> for bugid in range(max_bug_id):   ... ?
[19:27] <rye> CardinalFang, no, he god himself assigned to the bugs, so that is much easier
[19:27] <rye> *got
[19:31] <duanedesign> rye: it looks like he has been re assigning himself to bugs after they have been fixed?
[19:31] <rye> duanedesign, i am now at the netbook, so I don't see the whole picture (no Evolution here for now)
[19:34] <rye>  still, i don't get why someone would do that.
[19:34] <duanedesign> rye: ok, i was just trying to determine if it was justa n inexperienced triager, or someone being malicious.
[19:34] <rye> duanedesign, this is someone being malicious
[19:35] <duanedesign> silly people
[19:35] <rye> duanedesign, since the lp entry does not list any subscribed or commented bugs
[19:39] <rye> duanedesign, if API allows to get the history of bugs then this will be easy to recover
[19:39]  * rye dislikes that his brain is almost shutting down
[19:45] <duanedesign> rye: i started to reassign them to there origial assigner...but i will wait in case you come up with a 'batch' way to do it. Also, i can not change status to triaged.
[19:45] <duanedesign> but if i can help in any way let me know :)
[19:46] <rye> duanedesign, hm, if we continue doing this manually then someone else will come and break our toys again. We need to prepare.
[19:47] <duanedesign> rye: good point
[19:48] <CardinalFang> I say ping #launchpad.  They've almost certainly seen this before.
[19:53] <rye> CardinalFang, #launchpad said no
[20:03] <duanedesign> rye: /10
[20:03] <duanedesign> oops
[20:03] <duanedesign> :P
[20:07] <rye> duanedesign, /24 only
[20:08] <rye> and /64 for v6 but it is broken in nm :-P
[20:08] <duanedesign> ha ha
[20:09]  * rye definitely needs either to write the fix for ipv6 handling in NetworkManager or find someone to write a fix, or at least write to redhat bugzilla...
[20:10] <duanedesign> rye: i mentioned the bug problem to some of the bug squad members. They have suspicions it might be an individual they have dealt with before. Anyway they are on alert to the behavior in case it migrates away from this package and on to another, it will still be noticed
[20:10] <rye> we need to fight! :)
[20:11] <rye> but meanwhile i can't understand how to use searchTasks()
[20:15] <duanedesign> rye: i used it in this. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d3d540024
[20:17] <Bookman> I have completely removed and reinstalled ubuntuone on this computer but now I cannot remember my original log in and password for it.  Is there a site to get it re-emailed to me?
[20:18] <lifeless> well you need to remember your email address
[20:18] <lifeless> with that you can ask for a password reset at the normal login process
[20:19] <Bookman> Yeah, now I have to redo every computer's login.
[20:21] <rye> Bookman, launchpad.net should be able f
[20:21] <rye> to do that
[20:21] <rye> if someone sys that netbook keyboard is comfortable - do not believe that :)
[20:21] <lifeless> Bookman: once you reset your password, only your new machine will need to be authorised
[20:22] <lifeless> Bookman: the other machines will keep their machine-authorisation
[20:28] <Bookman> Got it and thank you.  It says it is syncing up.  Hopefully I will finally have all my machines working with Ubuntu One.
[20:32] <rye> duanedesign, hm, there are only 5 of such bugs now
[20:34] <rye> The number of users unaffected by this bug
[20:34] <rye> hmm..
[20:41] <Bookman> Woohoo!  All is well.  Thanks everyone for all the help today and in the past.  I can now get rid of "The other service"
[20:48] <duanedesign> rye: did you get something written using launchpadlib?
[20:59] <rye> duanedesign, got the bugs he broke, now searching for the way to get the changes, if that works then bby reverting the changes we can make a better world:)
[21:11] <rye> hm, bug.messages does not contain the things that +activity provides
[21:14] <statik> i'm not here, but if i were i would suggest grabbing the launchpad source, looking at what database fields the +activity view hits, and checking whether they are exposed in the API anywhere, and then ask intellectronica on #launchpad for advice on writing a patch to expose that data in the launchpad api
[22:17] <sanderqd> hey, would it be hard to write an npapi plugin that returns the desktopcouch port and auth info? npapi looks quite complex
[22:17] <sanderqd> but maybe work already has been done on this?
[22:30] <dobey> if you've written a plug-in before, it's not hard
[22:31] <dobey> if you have no idea how to write an npapi plug-in, it's incredibly hard
[22:33] <sanderqd> ok, i'm in the second category :-(


[01:36] <ovnicraft> hi folks, i am reading the help for create a mailing list for my team but i cant find the config for that
[01:36] <ovnicraft> in the overview team page
[01:39] <wgrant> ovnicraft: I see a 'Configure mailing list' link. Make sure you're an admin of the team.
[01:42] <ovnicraft> wgrant, i am using pre-release code site, could be this?
[01:42] <wgrant> ovnicraft: No -- I'm there too.
[01:43] <wgrant> ovnicraft: Which team, and what's your username?
[01:44] <ovnicraft> gnuthink, i solve stupid error :|
[01:47] <wgrant> ovnicraft: gnuthink already has a mailing list.
[01:47] <ovnicraft> yes
[04:57] <RenatoSilva> After my branch is merged into another one, can I delete mine?
[04:59] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: You could, but that's not a normal thing to do.
[04:59] <RenatoSilva> why
[04:59] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Normally the branch will be marked Merged, which hides it from branch listings.
[04:59] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: the old one was replaced anyway :P
[05:00] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: There is often metadata associated with the branch.
[05:00] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I've lost my old branch with same name
[05:00] <wgrant> eg. merge proposals, bug links...
[05:00] <wgrant> Why do you want to delete it?
[05:01] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: because the code is in other place now, and because the work is done, and because if I create the branch again, as its status is "merged", it will be deleted to create the new branch with the same name
[05:02] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Why would you create a branch with the same name?
[05:02] <wgrant> The branch has a different purpose, so it has a different name.
[05:04] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: encoding-fixes for example
[05:05] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: because I was finding one problem after other. Then it was merged, and it started again, so why change the name, see?
[05:05] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I think it should not automatically delete merged branches anyway
[05:06] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: when you push to the same location
[05:09] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: It doesn't ever delete branches.
[05:09] <wgrant> You would have to explicitly overwrite them.
[05:09] <wgrant> You could continue committing to the old branch and reset its status -- that's what some LP and bzr devs do with their recurrent branches.
[05:09] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I don't know why I've got this impression, like it happened, I'm probably worng
[05:10] <wgrant> Branch deletion was not invented for use on branches that are finished.
[05:10] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I think I overwrote it, because I did not want a name like "encoding-fixes-2"
[05:10] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: You should probably have just checked the branch out again and committed more.
[05:11] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: if that was what happened, maybe I thought that it would not work (like merging the old changes again)
[05:12] <wgrant> bzr isn't quite that stupid.
[05:12] <RenatoSilva> ok
[05:12] <RenatoSilva> but see
[05:16] <RenatoSilva> imagine I did "encoding-fixes" and it was merged, then after a long time, I want to work on it again, but I'll need first to pull from the trunk, but it'll say that they have diverged. So I'll need to merge **trunk into encoding-fixes** (the opposite way), right??
[05:17] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:17] <wgrant> Like you do normally when developing a branch.
[05:18] <RenatoSilva> ok I think I've got it then, thanks.
[10:53] <nooszaegus> hello, I am having some trouble registering my GPG key in launchpad
[10:53] <nooszaegus> as the response I get is that the key is already registered
[10:55] <nooszaegus> how do I know wether the error is PEBKAC or not?
[11:02]  * SpyderZT taps the mic...
[11:02] <SpyderZT> Is this thing on?
[11:06] <wgrant> SpyderZT: Indeed it is.
[11:07] <SpyderZT> Wewt! ^.^ (Though I've got a friend in another room that "May" be helping me.)
[11:16] <DaveDavenport> is there a launchpad dev around, a (translation) template in my project has the wrong name and needs to be renamed.
[11:18] <LarstiQ> DaveDavenport: it's sunday for a lot of people. Have you filed an answer request on the launchpad project?
[11:19] <DaveDavenport> normally channel worked just fine :D
[11:20] <LarstiQ> feel free to wait :P
[11:22] <SpyderZT> Okay, Done! ^.^
[11:22] <SpyderZT> Signing that "Code of Conduct" was a mini Gauntlet for a Newb to Linux.  I don't seem to find that magic knob to push to fill in login names
[11:53] <DaveDavenport> jaalto: create a team? that is how I did it
[12:06] <jaalto> DaveDavenport: Clear. I was expecting "add developer" button at project page.
[12:08] <wgrant> jaalto: Launchpad generally only allows one person or team to fill roles. If you want multiple people, you want a team.
[12:08] <jaalto> DaveDavenport: Team created. How Do I attact it to a existing PROJECT and say that members have commit rights to bzr?
[12:09] <DaveDavenport> I made the team the maintainer of the project
[12:09] <wgrant> jaalto: Have you read https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart?
[12:09] <DaveDavenport> not sure if you can fine-grain it
[12:09] <wgrant> The maintainer of the project doesn't actually have anything to do with Bazaar branch permissions.
[12:09] <DaveDavenport> aah sorry
[12:09] <wgrant> Permissions for Bazaar branches are controlled by the branch's owner.
[12:09] <jaalto> DaveDavenport: Ia have read it, but is's quite general. Finding the knobs at LP pages is hard work.
[12:09] <DaveDavenport> I know I had todo that for translation upload.
[12:10] <wgrant> Right, Translations is a little different.
[12:10] <jaalto> wgrant: [that message was for you; I've read the page]
[12:11] <wgrant> jaalto: That page tells you how to allow your branch to be committed to by multiple people.
[12:11] <wgrant> Because bzr is a DVCS, it doesn't make sense to have branch permissions controlled by project owner/maintainership. It's all on a per-branch basis.
[12:13] <jaalto> wgrant: I'll read more. It all quite complicated coming from SF
[12:13] <wgrant> It is.
[12:14] <wgrant> Because SF.net only handles centralised VCS schemes.
[12:14] <wgrant> (it does support bzr, but in a somewhat centralised fashion which undermines much of the point of it)
[12:16] <jaalto> wgrant: How do I give TEAM the existing bzr branch? The <team page>/Code contains only knob "(+) REgister a branch". I don't want to register new branch
[12:17] <wgrant> jaalto: You go to the branch edit page. Something like https://launchpad.net/~<PERSON>/<PROJECT>/<BRANCH>/+edit
[12:18] <jaalto> wgrant: Erm, behind that button there is something interesting. But the name "register a branch" sounded something else.
[12:23] <jaalto> wgrant: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart says "On the branch's overview page, you'll see an information box on the right-hand side of the page. Click the pencil icon next to your name in the Owner section and then select the team that you want to own the branch." I may be blind, but I don't detect "information box to the right" of my project https://launchpad.net/truecrypt-installer
[12:25] <LarstiQ> jaalto: Branch overview
[12:25] <andrea-bs> jaalto, you are looking to the project overview page, not the branch page: https://code.launchpad.net/~jari-aalto/truecrypt-installer/trunk
[12:25] <jml> jaalto, it's the branch's page, not the project page. Click the 'Code' tab, then click the branch you want to edit.
[12:25] <LarstiQ> jaalto: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jari-aalto/truecrypt-installer/trunk
[12:27] <jaalto> andrea-bs, jml, LarstiQ: Ok I see it. The instructions should say "Project page > Code > Select bzr branch link to access branch's overview page"
[12:28] <jaalto> That "pencil know" looks more like exclamation point (one more confusion)
[12:29] <jaalto> knob
[12:29] <wgrant> There's a long-standing bug on that one.
[12:29] <andrea-bs> jaalto, thanks for your feedback, I'll try to make the wiki page more clear
[12:30] <jml> andrea-bs, I've already made a change :)
[12:30] <jml> andrea-bs, but please double-check it.
[12:31] <jaalto> andrea-bs: That's excellent.  could you even take a screenshot at the " branch's overview" page to make absolutely clear, and highlisgh the "Tabs" at top :-=) That'd what I would do it to my docs
[12:34] <jaalto> REWORDING SUGGESTION: Let several people commit to the branch: "... click the pencil icon next to your name in the Owner section and then select the team that you want to own the branch." => click the pencil icon next to your name in the Owner section to enter Chnage Branc Details page. Select from drop-down menu 'Owner' the team that you want to own the branch.
[12:38] <jaalto> DaveDavenport, wgrant, andrea-bs, jml, LarstiQ: I've now successfully added teams to branches. Thanks for all your guidance.
[12:38] <jml> np
[12:39] <jaalto> andrea-bs: Could you ack about that rewording?
[12:39] <andrea-bs> jaalto, sure, will do
[12:44] <andrea-bs> jaalto, https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart should be OK now. Could you confirm, please?
[12:51] <jaalto> andrea-bs: [check] Could you make it more explicit for non-natives like me: "From your project page, select the Code tab, then... " => "Go to your projects main page (http://launcpad.net/PROJECT). Select the Code tab, then click the branch URL link you wish to edit to visit <color|double quote>branch's overview page</color|double quote>"
[12:52] <jaalto> andrea-bs: other than that, good.
[12:54] <guZaHo> Hello,
[12:55] <guZaHo> I have an issue uploading my GPG to launchpad to be able to sign the code of conduct
[12:55] <guZaHo> the system tells me that my GPG key is already uploaded
[12:55] <guZaHo> after I paste the fingerprint of my key
[12:55] <guZaHo> can anyone help me here?
[12:56] <guZaHo> is there a way I can see the already uploaded keys?
[12:57] <andrea-bs> jaalto, mh... I don't think that "branch URL" would be the right name (one may think https://something instead of lp:something). "Branch nick" sounds better, do you agree?
[12:58] <andrea-bs> guZaHo, you can see your own GPG keys from https://launchpad.net/people/+me
[12:58] <guZaHo> andrea-bs: there are only two SSH keys there
[12:58] <guZaHo> andrea-bs: that i just uploaded
[12:59] <andrea-bs> guZaHo, is it possible that your key is associated with an another Launchpad account?
[13:00] <jaalto> andrea-bs: "Branch nick link". Sure, as long as it says "link" the reader can detect on the page
[13:00] <beawesomeinstead> is it possible to create hidden/private project on Launchpad?
[13:01] <guZaHo> andrea-bs, good point. Is there any way I can find out?
[13:02] <guZaHo> andrea-bs, indeed
[13:02] <guZaHo> andrea-bs, I just found it
[13:02] <andrea-bs> jaalto, OK, done
[13:03] <andrea-bs> guZaHo, good, you can merge the two accounts if you wish
[13:03] <guZaHo> andrea-bs, ok? how?
[13:03] <jaalto> andrea-bs: All good. Thanks to clarifying it.
[13:03] <andrea-bs> beawesomeinstead, yes, read this page: https://launchpad.net/+tour/join-launchpad#commercial
[13:04] <andrea-bs> jaalto, thank you for using Launchpad :)
[13:04] <andrea-bs> guZaHo, https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[13:04] <guZaHo> andrea-bs, thanks a lot!
[13:12] <jaalto> What is the time schedule to make https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport "stable", It's now living on edge
[13:23] <jaalto> andrea-bs: At page https://launchpad.net/+tour/bugs section "Bugs by Email" is missing a link to the bugs email documentation page. Cold you add one e.g. to "... Launchpad Bugs email interface" (1st para after the picture).
[13:26] <andrea-bs> jaalto, Will do. Unfortunately the tour is not the wiki, so you won't see the changes until the new Launchpad release.
[13:27] <jaalto> Is there a sandbox PROJECT that I could test? I'd like to develop Emacs email-interface-to-LP to handle the bug reports and need a testing project where bugs are sent, responded and modified
[13:28] <jaalto> andrea-bs: about tour, ok.
[13:29] <andrea-bs> jaalto, you can do all your tests on staging.beeseek.org
[13:29] <jaalto> I already have one for Emacs Debian BTS interface, so I need to modify it for LP, which needs GPG signed messages.
[13:30] <wgrant> andrea-bs: You mean staging.launchpad.net?
[13:31] <andrea-bs> wgrant, oops!
[13:31] <wgrant> jaalto: staging is the place to do tests, as the database is overwritten nightly. However, that doesn't do mail stuff, in order to avoid spamming people with tests.
[13:31] <andrea-bs> jaalto, staging.launchpad.net :D
[13:31] <wgrant> jaalto: In this case I'd set up a local instance and try it.
[13:35] <jaalto> andrea-bs: When I try to create account, fill in the captcha, I get "An illegal choice has been detected. Please contact the site administrator.". And I do select animals to rule them out and leave the colors :-)
[13:36] <andrea-bs> jaalto, the right page is https://staging.launchpad.net . Sorry for the mistake!
[13:36] <jaalto> wgrant: I would need live setup, where email come and can be responded to from Emacs/MUA. So staging wouldn't work?
[13:38] <jaalto> andrea-bs: ok, using staging.launchpad.net
[13:39] <wgrant> jaalto: staging quite delibately doesn't send email, and I don't think it receives it either.
[13:39] <andrea-bs> jaalto, there's also https://dogfood.launchpad.net . It is like staging, but sends the e-mails to the users
[13:39] <wgrant> andrea-bs: I don't believe it does.
[13:40] <wgrant> I've never received mail from it.
[13:42] <jaalto> andrea-bs: staging doesn't send? Ok. Dogfood does?
[13:43] <jaalto> I'm feeling dizzy...
[13:43] <jaalto> ... with these names
[13:44] <wgrant> dogfood doesn't send mail.
[13:44] <wgrant> dogfood is for testing Soyuz, which is irrelevant for this.
[13:45] <wgrant> I would use https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting, and test it all locally.
[13:45] <jaalto> So I'm out of options? I create a test-scratch-* project to standar LP, test with it, then delete the project?
[13:46] <jaalto> wgrant: I'm afraid the setup would be too costly (in resources; I'm only me).
[13:47] <wgrant> jaalto: 'too costly'? It's easy to set up -- the most costly thing is the download time.
[13:48] <jaalto> wgrant: "Launchpad can only be built and run on Ubuntu" ... i don't have one.
[13:49] <wgrant> jaalto: Ah.
[13:49] <wgrant> Well, setting up a VM is fairly easy, and creating test projects on production is probably bad. But there might be an easier way.
[13:50] <wgrant> Try tracking down a Canonical Launchpad dev during the week.
[13:50] <jaalto> wgrant: At least not at this time when upgrades hosed all my VirtualBox setups and their VMs (that had Ubuntu). It's hefty work to have to deal with virtual networks and I's short of resources.
[13:50] <wgrant> They might know something we don't.
[13:50] <jaalto> I's => I'm
[13:51] <andrea-bs> jaalto, You may use launchpad.net, do your tests on your projects and then move test bugs to the NULL project. It isn't a good solution, however it is a solution :)
[13:53] <wgrant> andrea-bs: Probably better to create a scratch project leave the bugs there, and then later get the project deactivated.
[13:53] <jaalto> andrea-bs: I think that is the practical one. I think I setup real project for this thing, separate from others so that the bug trackers won't suffer "test spamming"
[13:53] <wgrant> But better still is wait until the working week and confirm with Canonical Launchpad people.
[13:54] <jaalto> wgrant: What channel?
[13:54] <wgrant> jaalto: Here.
[13:55] <jaalto> I assumed some *-devel or *-dev :-)
[13:55] <wgrant> There is #launchpad-dev, but they all live here too, and here is more correct.
[13:56] <jaalto> wgrant: Ok. whom (nicks?) should I approach?
[13:57] <wgrant> jaalto: Not sure. Asking generally in here during the European work day is probably your best bet.
[13:58] <jaalto> wgrant: Ok. Will do.
[14:02] <mdke> I can't break a bzr lock - http://paste.ubuntu.com/250326/
[14:02] <mdke> can anyone help with that?
[14:02] <Imperion> how can I delete a blueprint I created?
[14:02] <mdke> I've tried "bzr break-lock lp-45197200" several times but no dice
[14:02] <wgrant> mdke: Drop the -45197200
[14:03] <wgrant> Imperion: You can't.
[14:03] <wgrant> Imperion: You can mark it Superseded or Obsolete, though.
[14:03] <Imperion> wgrant: aiee
[14:03] <mdke> wgrant: still nothing
[14:03] <wgrant> mdke: Try "bzr break-lock lp:ubuntu-docs/intrepid
[14:04] <mdke> wgrant: that's done it! thanks a lot
[14:05] <wgrant> mdke: np
[14:05] <Imperion> wgrant: I deleted the related branch long ago and the design has completely changed since then, now what?
[14:05] <wgrant> Imperion: Mark the blueprint as Obsolete or Superseded.
[14:06] <Imperion> wgrant: and the implementation status?
[14:06] <wgrant> Since that's exactly what you want.
[14:06] <wgrant> Imperion: Doesn't matter.
[14:10] <jaalto> [About https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface] It reads: "...use one of the email interface's commands, you need to start the line with a space." Is this *strict* requirement or can the commands be intended more than 1 space?
[14:11] <LarstiQ> jaalto: more works too afaik
[14:11] <LarstiQ> jaalto: so, strictyl, the _start_ needs to be a space :)
[14:12] <wgrant> The start needs to be a space or a tab, in fact.
[14:13] <jaalto> More precisely: Are any indended lines interpreted as a commands? That would be really bad, because many times when responding you would indent the SHELL COMMANDS, EXAMPLES, OUTPUT demonstrating what is needed.
[14:13] <wgrant> The latter isn't documented anywhere exception the parsing function's docstring, so I wouldn't rely on it.
[14:14] <wgrant> Bug #5395
[14:16] <jaalto> wgrant: ah, sanity :-)  Debian also requires that command set at the beginning ends with word "quit|thanks" in a sepaate line. All the rest of the lines are then skipped. I might as well comment that bug.
[14:19] <geser> jaalto: the LP email interface knows also "thanks" to stop processing
[14:19] <wgrant> geser: I see code to handle 'done', but not 'thanks.'
[14:20] <geser> then it was done and not thanks. that happens when I try to remember and don't look it up. but there is a command to stop processing
[14:26] <jaalto> geser, wgrant: Ok, It seems to be listed last in page https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[14:27] <wgrant> jaalto: So it is.
[14:27] <wgrant> Now, I should really disappear for the night.
[14:28] <wgrant> Night all.
[14:28] <LarstiQ> nigh wgrant
[17:03] <anacrolix> hi
[17:15] <bvali> hello. Do you know why vcs-imports is lazy? My latest Git trunk hasn't been imported for 3 days now, but it's scheduled to run "ASAP".
[17:16] <LarstiQ> bvali: which branch is that?
[17:16] <bvali> joobsbox/master
[17:17] <bvali> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/joobsbox/master
[17:18] <LarstiQ> nothing I can see
[17:18] <LarstiQ> (as a user)
[17:20] <bvali> I just wanted Rosetta to import the latest translation templates, that's why I was concerned. Can you point me where to ask for help?
[17:20] <bvali> The import machines seem to have been manually shut down recently.
[17:37] <LarstiQ> bvali: launchpad.net/~vcs-imports says to file at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code
[17:38] <bvali> thanks
[19:35] <lamalex> how long does it usually take to have your team mailing list approved?
[20:46] <maxb> lamalex: from what I've heard, it never happens over a weekend
[20:56] <beuno> lamalex, I can approve
[20:56] <beuno> which one?
[20:57] <beuno> lamalex, I've approved all pending mailing lists
[21:42] <dtchen> hi, i'm receiving a traceback (@ http://pastebin.ca/1523251) when attempting to branch lp:ubuntustudio-controls/0.4. does anyone have recommendations?
[21:45] <beuno> dtchen, looks like a broken branch
[21:45] <beuno> do you have write access to it?
[21:51] <dtchen> beuno: yes
[21:53] <beuno> dtchen, to branch it, do: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/0.4
[21:53] <beuno> then, delete the current branch, and re-push
[21:53] <beuno> that's the easy way  :)
[21:54] <dtchen> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/0.4/".
[21:54] <beuno> er, right
[21:54] <beuno> one sec
[21:55] <beuno> dtchen, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-controls/0.4
[21:56] <dtchen> i appear to need to do the same for trunk
[21:56] <dtchen> (very similar backtrace when attempting to branch trunk0
[21:57] <beuno> dtchen, same error for trunk?
[21:57] <beuno> hrm
[21:57] <beuno> lifeless, around?
[21:57] <beuno> :)
[21:57] <beuno> he can help us figure out which bug this is
[21:57] <dtchen> sorry, trunk), not trunk0
[21:57] <lifeless> beuno: ?
[21:58] <beuno> lifeless, hi
[21:58] <beuno> lifeless, http://pastebin.ca/1523251
[21:58] <beuno> dtchen, is having an ACF traceback
[22:00] <dtchen> (my machine is running current karmic, if that's relevant)
[22:01] <lifeless> it can be
[22:01] <lifeless> anyhow, its a 1.19 format branch
[22:01] <lifeless> so its most like the original ACF bug
[22:02] <lifeless> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar-announce/2009-June/000250.html
[22:02] <lifeless> dtchen: read that
[22:03] <dtchen> lifeless: ok, thanks
[22:10] <thumper> morning
[22:18] <dtchen> lifeless: ran the script from comment #50 and received Missing inventories: set([('andrew@aehunter.net-20090302170902-scklvwarvzv4b609',)])
[22:20] <lamalex> beuno: thanks!
[22:52] <lifeless> dtchen: that should have fixed it then - its reporting that those inventories were missing
[22:54] <dtchen> lifeless: still get an error branching 0.4, though, unless i'm missing a step? do i need to push?
[22:58] <lifeless> dtchen: how did you invoke the script?
[22:59] <dtchen> lifeless: python /home/crimsun/Desktop/fix-branch.py bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-controls/0.4
[22:59] <lifeless> dtchen: ok; that should have fixed the branch. Uhm, try it again - it should report no missing inventories this time.
[23:01] <dtchen> ok, Missing inventories: set([])
[23:02] <lifeless> dtchen: so, that would appear fixed.
[23:03] <lifeless> and you're branching over bzr+ssh buts its still failing?
[23:04] <dtchen> lifeless: yep, bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('error', "Absent factory for ('ubuntustudiocontrols-20080120153904-2owlzz66z6d2b95w-1', 'andrew@a
[23:04] <dtchen> ehunter.net-20080120154932-8y3kpx1wrrpalbdl')")
[23:04] <lifeless> ah
[23:04] <lifeless> your trunk is stacked too
[23:04] <dtchen> ok, so fix trunk, then fix 0.4?
[23:05] <lifeless> well
[23:05] <lifeless> fix trunk
[23:05] <lifeless> and upgrade your bzr client to a nightly build
[23:05] <dtchen> ok, so 1.17 isn't new enough?
[23:05] <lifeless> thats correct
[23:05] <dtchen> ok, thanks much
[23:06] <lifeless> stacked on stacked was fixed last weekish


[07:08] <elky> erin in #u needs to be watched
[12:59] <bazhang> troll detected
[13:00] <oCean> hey bazhang-a-long!
[13:01] <bazhang> Kant was always my favorite!
[13:01] <oCean> I hardly remember, read so little
[16:15] <tomaw> I quieted miez


[03:23] <tonyhub> Hi
[03:23] <tonyhub> good evening folks
[04:21] <pitti> Good morning
[04:21] <tonyhub> evenin
[04:24] <tonyhub> vm reboot hung :( think it locked up my system
[04:28] <tonyhub> well no I can still do keyboard commands, just the VM is locked and wont release the mouse
[04:31] <tonyhub> finally did it, but never rebooted
[08:49] <jibel> good morning
[09:31] <vibhav> pitti: Pushed changes for libiptcdata
[09:32] <pitti> vibhav: can you please add a test dep on sharutils?
[09:33] <pitti> vibhav: also, you don't specify a path in uudecode, does that actually find its file?
[09:33] <vibhav> ah
[09:35] <vibhav> pitti: Done
[09:36] <pitti> vibhav: so how did that ever work without the $PATH?
[09:36] <pitti> err, $MY_PATH
[09:36] <vibhav> I tested them locally
[09:36] <pitti> but the script does cd $(workdir)
[09:37] <vibhav> pitti: But the file is at $MYDIR, right?
[10:03] <pitti> vibhav: sharutils, not sharutil
[10:06] <vibhav> ugh typo
[10:06] <vibhav> pitti: pushed
[10:14] <pitti> libiptcdata_test: libiptcdata_test.c:11: main: Assertion `iptc_jpeg_read_ps3(file, buf, sizeof(buf)) == 0' failed.
[10:14] <pitti> vibhav: ^
[10:16] <pitti> vibhav: that reproduces perfectly well with just sh -ex debian/tests/build
[10:16] <pitti> uudecode /tmp/add-autopkgtest/debian/tests/sample.jpeg.base64
[10:16] <pitti> that looks wrong
[10:16] <vibhav> hmm
[10:16] <pitti> oh, actually it is right, sorry
[10:17] <pitti> it just doesn't seem to do anything
[10:17] <vibhav> pitti: anything as in?
[10:17] <pitti> well, I suppose you want it to write a sample.jpg file into debian/tests
[10:17] <pitti> (or better, into $WORKDIR)
[10:18] <vibhav> ah
[10:18] <pitti> vibhav: you might want to use -o $WORKDIR/sample.jpeg ?
[10:18] <pitti> vibhav: that's what I mean with testing :)
[10:19]  * vibhav slaps forhead
[10:19] <pitti> oh, it does write sample.jpeg into the current dir by default
[10:19] <pitti> but that's the source root, not debian/tests/
[10:19] <vibhav> Yes, it should
[10:19] <pitti> vibhav: please never run tests in debian/tests, run them from the source root
[10:22] <vibhav> pitti: Do you mean "uudecode $MYDIR/sample.jpeg.base64 -o $WORKDIR/sample.jpeg"?
[10:22] <pitti> vibhav: if that works, yes; usually you specify the option before the file name
[10:23] <vibhav> pitti: This works, should I push?
[10:23] <pitti> sure
[10:24] <pitti> vibhav: (I assume you adjusted teh path to sample.jpeg in the C code)
[10:24] <vibhav> pitti: Yep
[10:24] <vibhav> "file = fopen("$WORKDIR/sample.jpeg", "r");"
[10:28] <vibhav> pitti: btw, https://code.launchpad.net/~vibhavp/ubuntu/raring/libfann/add-autopkgtest/+merge/151182
[10:29] <vibhav> pitti: Ive tested these autokpgtests with sh -ex and they work perfectly fine
[10:33] <pitti> vibhav: libiptcdata is happy now, thanks!
[10:34] <pitti> vibhav: libfann works as well, sponsoring
[10:34] <pitti> vibhav: please send these two to Debian
[10:35] <pitti> vibhav: please add XS-Testsuite to libfann
[10:35] <pitti> vibhav: libiptcdata is missing that as well, I'll add it during sponsoring
[10:37] <pitti> vibhav: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/libiptcdata/raring/revision/12
[10:42] <vibhav> meh
[10:42] <vibhav> I forgot tat
[10:42] <vibhav> that*
[10:45] <vibhav> pitti: Added and pushed :)
[10:46] <pitti> vibhav: I don't see a new commit on https://code.launchpad.net/~vibhavp/ubuntu/raring/libfann/add-autopkgtest/+merge/151182, I'll retry in a minute; might be LP delay
[10:48] <vibhav> pitti: Works now
[10:51] <vibhav> pitti: Btw, why does the distro series change to UNRELEASED while merging? I set it to raring during dch -i
[10:51] <pitti> vibhav: I set it back to UNREELASED
[10:51] <pitti> vibhav: because that would be a lie, that version wasn't uploaded to rarin
[10:51] <pitti> only what is actually in lp:ubuntu/* is what's in the distro
[10:51] <vibhav> And not in raring
[10:51] <pitti> I did dch -rm / debcommit -r for the upload
[10:52] <vibhav> ah, I see
[10:52] <vibhav> And then you upload it to raring
[10:53] <pitti> vibhav: yes, that looks like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/libfann/raring/revision/12
[10:55] <vibhav> okay, forwarded libiptcdata to debian
[15:06] <eugene_P> Hello. I was executing testcase for Fileroller ( http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/258/builds/38181/testcases/1418/results ) and found a mistake on the sixth step. According to it, I must click "Add a folder to archive" button, but there is no such  button in  newer versions of fileroller .
[15:11] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, OK
[15:11] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, can you report a bug?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> It makes life easier:)
[15:15] <eugene_P> where should it be reported? Is there any special place for mistakes in testcases descriptions?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, wait
[15:16] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests
[15:16] <smartboyhw> then click "Report a bug"
[15:17] <eugene_P> thanks
[15:18] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, I have it here
[15:18] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, ah I got it sorry:P
[15:18]  * smartboyhw beats himself
[15:22] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, after reporting the bug give us the bug number ere
[15:22] <smartboyhw> s/ere/here/
[15:22] <eugene_P> ok
[15:22]  * smartboyhw might fix it immediately
[15:30] <eugene_P> smartboyhw, Bug #1138001
[15:33] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, OK
[15:42] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, bug fixed
[15:47] <eugene_P> nice, but there must be space between "folders" and "to" in "Select any files or foldersto be added to the archive, click 'Add' button"
[15:48] <eugene_P> Reported that testcase as passed. Thanks, smartboyhw.
[15:48] <smartboyhw> eugene_P, OK. One day I will fix. But for now, I need to go
[16:40] <SergioMeneses> hi guys! jam jam jam
[21:03] <tonyhub> Happy Friday


[01:12] <mike602> Anyone else notice lots of gui glitches in Kubuntu 16.04.3? Should I enable Kubuntu backports in hopes to fix these issues?
 @mike602, Yes, enable backports and many of those glitches will disappear.  And, when 18.04 lands, upgrade as 18.04 is even better.
[01:13] <mike602> Issues include: incorrect pictures for multiple users, new session issues w/ multiple users, theme issues not applying unless log out/log in, etc
[01:14] <mike602> Thanks. Trying now :) Just surprised how many glitches with this LTS especially when it's already on it's .3 release :(
[01:14] <mike602> Want to love KDE, so trying my best :) lol
[01:16] <mike602> broken packages. how to fix?
 Broken packages after adding the PPA?
[01:26] <mike602> right
 KDE 16.04 had early Wayland support/features that were quite "beta" as far as release quality.
[01:27] <mike602> python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat conflicts with packagekit and packagekit:i386
 to fix broken, run: sudo dpkg –configure -a
[01:28] <mike602> tried that now and didn't work :(
 sudo apt install -f
[01:28] <mike602> did that as well
 then sudo apt full-upgrade
[01:29] <mike602> that worked thanks :)
 Do you have any other PPA's enabled?
 very good.
[01:29] <mike602> didn't know about hte "full-upgrade" one. that won't put me on 17.10 now will it?
 nope
[01:30] <mike602> awesome. thanks
[01:30] <mike602> hope this fixes the KDE issues. wish me luck :)
 The command to upgrade to 17.10 would be: sudo do-release-upgrade (assuming packaging prompt is set to normal).
[01:41] <mike602> gotcha
[01:41] <mike602> whats the difference between just upgrade and full-upgrade?
 https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[04:09] <Roey> hi
[04:09] <zxq9> Hi
[04:10] <Roey> spectacle crashes for me if I try to take a snapshot of a rectangular region; is there another program I can use?
[04:10] <Roey> oh hey zxq9
[04:10] <zxq9> Hi there.
[04:10] <zxq9> Unfortunately I'm not familiar with spectacle.
[04:10] <Roey> ah, gotcha
[04:10] <zxq9> Desktop screenshotter or something?
[04:10] <Roey> correct
[04:10] <Roey> it's kde's own
[04:10] <zxq9> Ah.
[04:11] <Roey> used to be called ksnapshot
[04:11] <zxq9> I just do the boring old "print screen" thing and then crop whatever part I want.
[04:11] <Roey> ok
[04:11] <Roey> hrm maybe I'll do that then
[04:11] <zxq9> gwenview, Gimp, kolorpaint, etc. any of them can crop pretty simply.
[04:12] <zxq9> I was sort of surprised that gwenview lets you crop -- but it actually has quite a few image edit functions.
[04:12] <valorie> spectacle is working pretty well for me though
[04:13] <valorie> I've never been able to get gwenview to crop for me
[04:13] <zxq9> valorie: It is hotkeyed to Shift+C on my defaults.
[04:13] <zxq9> Resize is Shift+R
[04:14] <zxq9> Grab a corner or side tab and adjust the frame to whatever you want, then click either "Crop"/"Cancel" buttons at the bottom.
[04:14] <valorie> I'll have to try that again
[04:16] <zxq9> Makes minor adustments to large albums easy to adjust ipc as you flip through them. Rotating and cropping is pretty convenient that way compared to loading each one into an editor.
[04:16] <zxq9> s/ipc/each pic/
[04:20] <valorie> thanks, I'm saving your hint in kate
[04:20] <valorie> :-)
[05:28] <Cyberat> Hello
[05:51] <Guest94366> hello?
[05:51] <Guest94366> wanna talk about krusader
[05:57] <valorie> !info krusader
[05:57] <valorie> still available.....
[05:58] <Viktor> and almost usable...
[05:58] <valorie> I tried it and didn't like it
[05:59] <valorie> I used konqueror
[05:59] <valorie> hated dolphin
[05:59] <valorie> now like dolphin quite a lot
[05:59] <Viktor> dolphin are good as twin panel?
[05:59] <valorie> yes, I often use it as twin panel
[06:00] <valorie> when necessary
[06:00] <Viktor> seems lack of keyboard support
 @Viktor, what keyboard support were you trying find?
[06:19] <Viktor> twin-panel style. for example: open dolphin. press "split" button. try to move kursor with keyboard (arrows and "tab") - as result zooming of icons
 F3 will split.  Also, shortcuts can be changed to suite your preferences.
[06:22] <Viktor> but "tab" button not changed focus only on panes but on all objects. it is not ok for keyboard only.
 I could have sworn there was a keytroke to switch, but I do not see it.  I came to your same conclusion... not fully keyboard friendly.
[07:48] <Roey> hi
[07:48] <Roey> I suspect I am having low drive space issues; the filesystem has been suddenly mounted read-only, and when I try to delete files, it's still read-only so that doesn't work.  I read here: http://marc.merlins.org/perso/btrfs/post_2014-05-04_Fixing-Btrfs-Filesystem-Full-Problems.html that I should try rebalancing the volume..
[10:35] <zxq9> I lament the failure of Konqueror to keep up with HTML5. :-/
[10:35] <zxq9> I *really* liked a lot of things about Konqueror. It was almost becoming one of those "open this one thing and do all your relevant work there" sort of program.
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:53] <sheytan> Hey, is there a way to fix latte-dock crash after plasma upgrade?
[11:53] <sheytan> This happend to me 2nd time. Only deleteing .kde helps
[11:54] <sheytan> which i don't wanna do
[12:04] <jubo2> What is the best touchpad suppression solution for Kubuntu so it doesn't do stupid things while user is just trying to operate the keyboard of the laptop?
[12:05] <ktonga> hi, is there a way to integrate snaps with the launcher? for instance I've installed spotify client snap and I can launch it with the link in /snap/bin. But no icon is added to the launcher neither to the task bar
[12:08] <ktonga> jubo2: in Seetings/Input Devices you have a tab to disable it when typing with many options, as usual in KDE :)
[12:35] <jubo2> ktonga: it says the toucpad is disabled for 250ms when typing
[12:36] <jubo2> that doesn't feel real
[12:36] <jubo2> Oh well.. I guess I'll just try a higher number and see if it has the desirable effect and no undesirable effects
[12:43] <jubo2> thanks for the info ktonga_
[14:22] <viewer|93372> I have no sound. I am using kubuntu 17.04. I get sound when I test in system settings, but no audio for media. I am using HDMI.
[15:26] <guestxii0qm> hi
[15:26] <guestxii0qm> who are you
[20:28] <user|47612> HI all
[20:30] <user|47612> I have kubuntu 17.04 is it possible to upgrade to 17.10 from the terminal?
[20:31] <acheronuk> user|47612: hi. this should work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:31]  * acheronuk shrugs
[20:50] <ninni> windows
[23:26] <D0U91E> 18.04 is gonna be lts right?
[23:28] <vDM205> Bonsoir a tous
[23:28] <acheronuk> that is the plan
[23:29] <acheronuk> D0U91E: ^^
[23:29] <vDM205> j'ai un petit probleme ;)
[23:48] <D0U91E> thank you
[23:48] <D0U91E> I have a little post it note on my screen how do I get rid of the damn thing?
[23:49] <D0U91E> NM i got it - thanks anyway


[00:00] <Kenshizl> Helo\lo?
[00:00] <Kenshizl> I mean, "Hello?"
[01:30] <clear`> hey guys, i recently noticed my sound/speakers no longer work, I dont know what caused them to stop working (sad I know) anyone around to help me troubleshoot the problem
[01:34] <well_laid_lawn> clear`: have you checked in alsamixer that everything is turned up ?
[01:34] <clear`> yup
[01:34] <clear`> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting/
[01:34] <clear`> im going through all that right now
[01:34] <well_laid_lawn> aplay -l shows the card?
[01:34] <well_laid_lawn> speakers are turned on?
[01:36] <clear`> speakers all the way up
[01:37] <clear`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090836/
[01:37] <well_laid_lawn> you shouldn't need sudo for aplay -l
[01:38] <genii-around> Are these external speakers?
[01:38] <clear`> i was cp the commands from that site
[01:38] <clear`> genii-around: no, laptop speakers
[01:38] <genii-around> Ah, OK. I found my external ones don't work now unless i unplug/replug them to the computer
[01:39] <clear`> i rarely use these speakers, i have no clue how long they havent worked
[01:39] <clear`> but i know they worked at one point (thanks pandora)
[01:40] <clear`> ok i got it!!!
[01:41] <clear`> thanks guys :)
[01:41] <well_laid_lawn> what was the issue?
[01:42] <clear`> restarted the drivers
[01:42] <clear`> no idea what the issue was, but that worked
[01:43] <well_laid_lawn> k
[01:43] <clear`> thanks again :)
[01:44] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[01:59] <filco> hello
[01:59] <filco> how do I change the taskbar theme when i theme xubuntu?
[01:59] <filco> the window themes have changed but not the bar area
[02:00] <well_laid_lawn> the panel?
[02:00] <Unit193> Settings manager > Window Manager
[02:01] <filco> that's not changing the taskbar
[02:01] <filco> or other icons
[02:01] <filco> just the window style
[02:01] <well_laid_lawn> you need to change the gtk theme
[02:01] <Unit193> Icons are in Appearance.
[02:02] <filco> ah
[02:02] <filco> done it, thanks
[11:00] <unrar> Hi.
[14:51] <Kusyaka> hi all!
[14:52] <Kusyaka> еcть кто живой?
[14:53] <baizon> hmm
[14:53] <baizon> !ru
[14:53] <Kusyaka> ok
[14:54] <baizon> or english please :)
[17:51] <xjohnthomasx> Hey, question.. If I just accidentally deleted my boot partition, to expand my root partition, from a live usb cd instance of Xubuntu.. Do I have to re-download the current kernel to the new boot partition/folder in the root partition in order to boot into my previous linux setup?
[18:19] <jon__> just installed xubuntu for the first time
[18:20] <jon__> restarting
[19:15] <Marzata> xubuntu!
[23:06] <uskerine> hi, i am trying to launch a x11 application from different host than the xubuntu one
[23:06] <uskerine> i use xhost + in xubuntu and export the dISPLAY to the right IP on the other host
[23:06] <uskerine> but i can not get the app running
[23:06] <uskerine> is there something blocked in xubuntu 12.04 xserver?