[06:53] <himcesjf> Hello! Can anyone guide me on loading a module to kernel?
[07:20] <cking> himcesjf, use sudo modprobe modulename
[07:35] <smb> morning .+
[07:37] <himcesjf> cking: Yes, I'm trying to load acpi module processor and fan. After I modprobe the module, I don't see any change in dmesg to confirm whether its supported on my hardware or not
[07:40] <smb> himcesjf, Depending on what release you are, those may not be modules anymore
[07:43] <himcesjf> smb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/717632/
[07:46] <himcesjf> and the processor module was built into kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-2
[07:48] <ppisati> morning *
[07:49] <smb> So? Your list shows that there is no module for fan or processor, I am not sure what this has to do with 2.6.20... 20?
[07:49] <smb> If you are missing /proc/acpi/processor and .../fan, could be that those finally got removed from proc and only have some place in /sys
[07:50] <himcesjf> ah, yes right. /proc is being deprecated
[07:52] <himcesjf> Then how do I enable acpi processor support in kernel?
[07:55] <smb> I should not be necessary. If the acpi bios includes the right information it will always happen automatically
[07:55] <himcesjf> ok
[08:24] <apw> 2.6.20 ?
[08:24] <apw> smb, morning
[08:25] <smb> apw, Thats what he said... :) Mornign
[08:25] <apw> thats like feisty or something
[08:26] <smb> at least pre-hardy and I cannot remember farer back (or at least I worked hard to forget)
[10:44] <ppisati_> uhm
[10:44] <ppisati_> can't build an hardy kernel (inside an hardy x86_64 chroot)
[10:44] <ppisati_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/717707/
[10:44] <ppisati_> "Could not open /home/flag/canonical/ubuntu-hardy/debian/linux-image-2.6.24-29-generic/lib/modules/2.6.24-29-generic/modules.alias at debian/tests/check-aliases line 10."
[10:44] <ppisati_> any idea?
[10:53] <apw> ppisati_, normally that specific error occurs if the version number is broken
[10:54] <ppisati_> uhm
[10:54] <apw> /home/flag/canonical/ubuntu-hardy/debian/linux-image-2.6.24-29-generic/lib/modules/
[10:54] <apw> ls that directory on the builder and see what if anything is in there
[10:54] <ppisati_> i've 6 patches on top of hardy's HEAD
[10:54] <ppisati_> i could try backing out them
[10:55] <ppisati_> but they don't touch the version number/any files in debian/*
[10:55] <apw> ls that directory on the builder and see what if anything is in there
[10:56] <apw> /home/flag/canonical/ubuntu-hardy/debian/linux-image-2.6.24-29-generic/lib/modules/
[10:56] <ppisati_> drwxr-xr-x 4 flag flag 4096 2011-10-24 12:41 2.6.24-29-generic
[10:56] <ppisati_> only this dir
[10:57] <apw> and what is in that dir
[10:57] <ppisati_> drwxr-xr-x 2 flag flag 4096 2011-10-24 12:41 initrd
[10:57] <ppisati_> drwxr-xr-x 9 flag flag 4096 2011-10-24 12:41 kernel
[10:57] <apw> so i'd say depmod may have failed
[10:57] <apw> ahhh what is your host running ?
[10:57] <apw> it is running oneiric
[10:57] <ppisati_> onerici
[10:58] <ppisati_> but i'm in a hardy-x86_64 chroot
[10:58]  * apw bets depmod is shitting self over the kernel version number, look for DEPMOD in the log
[10:58] <ogra_> geez, hardy
[10:59] <ppisati_> DEPMOD  2.6.24-29-generic
[10:59] <apw> did it error at all after that?
[10:59] <ogra_> 7me coughs because of all the dust in the channel
[10:59] <apw> ^ proof you have a .de keyboard
[11:00] <ogra_> hehe
[11:00] <ppisati_> bot at that point
[11:00] <ppisati_> it was INSALLing all the modules
[11:00] <ppisati_> s/bot/not/
[11:00] <ogra_> the uk ac100 is twice as expensive so yeah, i took the german model (now sold for 125€ here) ;)
[11:01] <apw> ppisati_, can you pastebin the whole log please
[11:05] <apw> ogra_, you and your funny money
[11:05] <ogra_> haha
[11:07] <ppisati_> apw: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/hardy-O.log
[11:08] <apw>   /home/flag/canonical/ubuntu-hardy is not clean, please run 'make mrproper'
[11:09] <apw> your tree is damaged, and i think its not configuring right
[11:09] <apw> you might try 'rmdir include/config' and see if that repairs that
[11:10] <apw> or if you ran make mrproper, then a git checkout -f would be needed after
[11:10] <ppisati_> apw: saw that, but i think i did 'git reset --hard HEAD' in another terminal
[11:10] <ppisati_> (that's the entire cut&paste of a screen session)
[11:13] <apw> ppisati_, ok nothing obvious to see in there.  iirc the depmod run makes the modules.alias, as it didn't make the wrong directory i think the next step is to try runing the depmod yourself
[11:13] <apw> you'll have to work out the incantation though
[11:14] <ppisati_> apw: well, compiling on tangerine now (didn't check but i hope it's not O yet)
[11:31] <ppisati_> ok, tangerine got it
[11:35] <Kano> hi apw , could you set for next rc kernels a ~rc
[11:36] <Kano> would be a good idea to change that before 3.2~rc1
[11:36] <apw> given the kernel names differ, so they don't replace each other, is there anything to be gained by that
[11:37] <Kano> why on earth does the FINAL kernel have got a libc6 depend?
[11:37] <Kano> the gain is, when you had rc kernels installed and install the final kernel, then rc kernel is on top of the kernel list
[11:37] <Kano> and the final is below every rc kernel
[11:38] <apw> Kano, well that isn't a use case we care about much, so with UDS coming up it'll not be high on my priority list
[11:38] <Kano> the ~ means that it is below
[11:38] <Kano> thats a 5 min change or less
[11:38] <Kano> but tell me why
[11:38] <Kano> libc6 (>= 2.11) now?
[11:38] <Kano> for headers
[11:38] <Kano> thats crap
[11:38] <apw> if it was that easy you'd be making your own kernels
[11:39] <Kano> i dont see a reason to compile a kernel without patches again
[11:39] <apw> you really have a way of saying things that makes me want to help
[11:39] <Kano> i can not install the headers with lenny systems now
[11:39] <Kano> with that new change
[11:40] <apw> its not something which we have changed deliberatly
[11:40] <Kano> you changed the build system?
[11:40] <apw> its something that (likely) came of changing it to build them in the right chroots
[11:40] <apw> something you asked for
[11:40] <Kano> i asked for a libc6 depend which is even wrong?
[11:41] <apw> no you asked for mainline builds for oneiric to be build in oneiric chroots
[11:41] <apw> and i suspect it is fallout from that
[11:41] <Kano> i?
[11:41] <Kano> never
[11:41] <apw> noone else ever talks to me about mainline builds
[11:41] <apw> but either way i suspect its an unintended side effect of that
[11:42] <Kano> i need em build with an older chroot
[11:42] <Kano> otherwise i can not use the headers
[11:42] <Kano> something with libc6 2.7
[11:42] <apw> it is unclear why we would have any libc deps on any headrs
[11:43] <Kano> maybe you updated the packageing code
[11:43] <Kano> like you did a while ago, there i had to hack the depends too
[11:44] <Kano> last time i had to hack this:  sed -i s/3.13/3.2/ linux-image/DEBIAN/control
[11:45] <Kano> this time it is in the headers package
[11:46] <apw> well building the images in teh right chroot is the right thing, else you can't use dkms packages with them
[11:46] <Kano> thats incorrect
[11:46] <apw> as to why we have a libc dep on headers
[11:46] <apw> define incorrect
[11:46] <Kano> you can use any newer libc6 without problems
[11:46] <Kano> thats what i did all the time
[11:46] <Kano> i used the kernels on lenny + squeeze
[11:46] <apw> it is unclear why a pure headers package would need any dep on any other pacage
[11:47] <Kano> and fglrx/nvidia/vbox always compiled correctly
[11:47] <Kano> squeeze had a much newer libc6
[11:48] <apw> loadable modules should not be built with a different compiler, that is the key constraint
[11:48] <Kano> that was a problem when switching from 2.9x to 4.0
[11:49] <Kano> but never later
[11:49] <Kano> they are compatible
[11:50] <Kano> if you use gcc 4.3 or newer it does not matter
[11:50] <Kano> absolutely never had issues because of that
[11:51] <apw> and we have, and that is our constraint, and our builds
[11:51] <apw> the libc6 dep seems spurious and i'll try and figure out where that is coming from
[11:51] <Kano> well it would not help if you remove it and build still with oneric chroot
[11:52] <apw> why so
[11:52] <Kano> well you can compile with a newer gcc but not with an older one
[11:52] <Kano> most likely because of missing symbols in older libc6
[11:53] <Kano> thats why you can use software compiled with older libc6 on a much newer libc6 but not the other way around
[11:54] <apw> but the kernel doesn't use libc, so a dependancy on it makes no sense
[11:54] <Kano> the headers do
[11:54] <Kano> the headers have got binary components
[11:54] <Kano> those can not get linked
[11:55] <Kano> when you build extra modules
[11:55] <Kano> linux-image would work everywhere, thats clear
[12:00] <apw> Kano, can you point me to a binary in that package
[12:03] <Kano> for x in $(dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r)); do file $x; done|grep ELF|grep sha
[12:03] <Kano> for x in $(dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r)); do file $x; done|grep ELF
[12:03] <Kano> that way
[12:06] <Kano> 19
[12:06] <Kano> shared 10
[12:28] <apw> unity is only updating my internal panel now, not bothering with my external even though it is showing the correct cursors on it
[12:29] <ppisati_> anyone with an hardy box wiliing to test a kernel?
[12:29] <smb> ppisati_, youre not doing the same thing apw was doing last week=
[12:29] <smb> ?
[12:30] <ppisati_> apw: IIRC he was doing the...
[12:30] <ppisati_> smb: ^
[12:30] <apw> CVE-2011-1548
[12:30] <ubot2> apw: The default configuration of logrotate on Debian GNU/Linux uses root privileges to process files in directories that permit non-root write access, which allows local users to conduct symlink and hard link attacks by leveraging logrotate's lack of support for untrusted directories, as demonstrated by /var/log/postgresql/. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1548)
[12:30] <ppisati_> smb: cifs/smb pwd stuff
[12:30] <apw> yeah that was the one
[12:30] <ppisati_> uhm no
[12:30] <apw> not 1548
[12:30] <ppisati_> i'm doing the
[12:30] <apw> the one you said
[12:30] <ppisati_> CVE-2011-1082
[12:30] <ubot2> ppisati_: fs/eventpoll.c in the Linux kernel before 2.6.38 places epoll file descriptors within other epoll data structures without properly checking for (1) closed loops or (2) deep chains, which allows local users to cause a denial of service (deadlock or stack memory consumption) via a crafted application that makes epoll_create and epoll_ctl system calls. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1082)
[12:31] <ppisati_> i backported 2 patches, plus 4 more to ease the "porting"
[12:31] <smb> ppisati_, Ok, well anyway I can try your kernel if there is a reproducer
[12:31] <tgardner> ppisati_, that looks HW independent. you can likely use a VM for testing
[12:32] <ppisati_> yep, don't have a vm but i can roll one...
[12:38] <ppisati_> smb: no, there's no reproducer
[12:38] <ppisati_> i should look for one
[12:42] <smb> ppisati_, Having one is ideal. Or at least know what would be using epoll to see that this is still working after the changes.
[12:44] <ppisati_> smb: ok. i've a reproducer now
[13:48] <tgardner> ogasawara, did you notice 3.1 is out ?
[13:49] <ogasawara> tgardner: yep, rebasing it right now
[13:49] <tgardner> ogasawara, cool
[13:49] <ogasawara> tgardner: I mailed you some wifi cards, not sure if you've been home though?
[14:22]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:26] <bjf> tgardner, ogra_ pointed out on friday that mvl-dove for maverick wasn't supposed to be released, it was just a plaything for NCommander
[14:27] <bjf> tgardner, i mentioned that we were still doing security patches to it regularly
[14:29] <ogra_> bjf, well, the prob we have now is that it cant be removed after release
[14:30] <ogra_> nor can we demote it to universe after release
[14:30] <ogra_> so even though it hasnt a single user (byond tobin doing his tests) we cant really drop it now
[14:36] <tgardner> ogra_, bjf: dang, I wish we'd have known this up front.
[14:36] <tgardner> oh well.
[14:36] <tgardner> ogasawara, I did receive your package
[14:36] <ogra_> tgardner, dito
[14:38] <tgardner> ogra_, its just part of the stable updates machine for now. it'll expire soon enough.
[14:38] <ogra_> another what, 12 months ?
[14:38] <ogra_> or is it only 6 ?
[14:38] <tgardner> 6 I think
[14:38] <ogra_> it burns manpower for no reason, thats what annoys me
[14:39] <tgardner> true, but we have most of that kind of stuff scripteed
[14:40] <ogra_> k
[14:40] <ogra_> at least lucid will be EOL by end of the week :)
[14:40] <ogra_> (for arm that is)
[14:40] <tgardner> long live imx51
[14:41] <ogra_> well
[14:41] <ogra_> thats another wart
[14:41] <ogra_> i think IS still wants imx51 security updates for the buildds until they get killed
[14:41] <ogra_> though thats a matter of IS to talk to you guys
[14:42] <tgardner> ogra_, maybe we can get 'em to purge all of the babbages when someone _finally_ releases a good ARM server
[14:42] <ogra_> well, thats another 6 months (at least)
[14:43] <tgardner> and I think thats optimistic :)
[14:44] <ogra_> i'm an optimist by design ... else i wouldnt work on arm ;)
[15:01] <tgardner> apw, how come we're getting 3 notices for mainline build v3.1 ?
[15:01] <AlanBell> hullo, I was wondering if someone can have a look at bug 614238
[15:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614238 in linux "Intel Core i3 External Monitor Wavy Output" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614238
[15:02] <apw> tgardner, manual rebuilds 3 is 'right'
[15:02] <AlanBell> the bug has a patch, that works, but I am not sure that the right things have been done to upstream it and get it into Ubuntu
[15:02] <tgardner> apw, ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn't a script that was running amok
[15:02] <apw> tgardner, nope its me thats amok
[15:03] <tgardner> sforshee, weren't you working on the wavy external monitor ?
[15:04] <tgardner> AlanBell, sforshee is on vacation, back tomorrow.
[15:04] <ohsix> AlanBell: is that the one where the spread spectrum is on vga outputs?
[15:05] <ohsix> from what i've heard of it theres not a lot that can be done since the clock is shared, you just need to force it off if you use vga
[15:09] <AlanBell> ohsix: not sure what the cause is, but there is a patch which fixes it perfectly
[15:10] <ohsix> it "fixes" it by disabling ssm, which is actually useful on the nonvga outputs
[15:11] <AlanBell> hmm, laptop screen and HDMI output worked fine for me
[15:53]  * ppisati_ goes out to see a new flat
[16:13] <tgardner> ogasawara, apw: tangerine.buildd:~rtg/lucid/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.20ubuntu1.4_all.deb for your local lucid build hosts. I've added the precise chroots on tangerine; gomeisa and tyler soon to follow.
[16:13] <ogasawara> tgardner: thanks
[16:13] <tgardner> update your kteam-tools
[17:56]  * tgardner -> lunch
[20:16] <smoser> smb, kernel on ec2 is ill (not a surprise)
[20:16] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881076
[20:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881076 in linux "precise kernels do not boot on ec2" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:50] <bjf> nice, thanks
[21:35] <bjf> jsalisbury, i think bug #558569 can be marked "Won't Fix" don't you?
[21:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 558569 in module-init-tools "Unable start as live cd Lucid Beta 2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/558569
[21:37] <jsalisbury> bjf, yes I would say so.  Looks like it's won't fix for Lucid, justs needs the Linux and Linux(Ubuntu) entries updated.
[21:38] <jsalisbury> bjf, may need to think about ways to expire bugs like this
[21:39] <bjf> yes, i think this one won't expire because there are two tasks
[21:39] <jsalisbury> bjf, ahh, I see
[21:40] <bjf> jsalisbury, but i'm not sure
[21:41] <jsalisbury> bjf, Hmm, I can't mark the upstream task as wont fix since bugzilla.kernel.org is unavailable
[21:42] <jsalisbury> bjf, I guess I can just remove that task
[21:44] <bjf> jsalisbury, not sure what the policy is for that
[21:44] <jsalisbury> bjf, ok


[10:42] <tomprince> Is there some way to provide a service configuration that isn't automatically enabled.


[08:17] <mup> Bug #1779623 opened: Snap install failure message chowning '/var/snap/maas/common/log/proxy' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779623>
[08:33] <MaritimeHistory> hi
[09:35] <c06> hi all. i have multiple dhcp server running on the network i want my machine to fetch ip from second dhcp server.
[09:35] <c06> is there any way to achieve this.!?
[09:36] <c06> i am using default maas-dhcp server
[09:37] <c06> in simple terms i have 2 different networks with 2 different MaaS nodes
[09:38] <c06> while doing PXE boot machines are getting ip randomly from different MaaS server not accessing the actual targets.
[09:39] <c06> i want to configure to fetch the dhcp ip from particular server
[10:05] <roaksoax> c06: having 2 dhcp servers on the same network is really a recipe for failure, but i would imagine you would have to deny those servers on one DHCP server, and allow them on the other
[10:05] <roaksoax> and/or create hostmaps
[10:57] <c06> roaksoax: i have different multiple private networks in my environment
[10:58] <c06> for two network i am running seperate maas dhcp
[10:58] <c06> i have two blades which are connected on same switch each blade have the own MaaS VM.
[11:47] <c06> any suggestions for multiple maas-dhcp servers on the environment, need to fetch ip from particular dhcp server s
[11:47] <c06> .?
[11:59] <roaksoax> you would have to confgire each independently
[12:04] <c06> roaksoax: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RjTvGTsNxW/ - this is my environment
[12:05] <c06> inside machine1 i am creating VM with network boot, some time machine1_vms getting ip from mahcine2_maas.
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1779680 opened: Requiring a mac address is awkward <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779680>
[13:33] <mup> Bug #1779680 changed: Requiring a mac address is awkward <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779680>
[13:39] <mup> Bug #1779680 opened: Requiring a mac address is awkward <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779680>
[14:09] <mup> Bug #1779680 changed: Requiring a mac address is awkward <MAAS:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779680>
[15:54] <mup> Bug #1779712 opened: maas-proxy port should be configurable <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779712>
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1779712 changed: [enhancement] maas-proxy port should be configurable <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779712>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1779712 opened: [enhancement] maas-proxy port should be configurable <enhancement> <wishlist> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779712>
[16:39] <mup> Bug #1779716 opened: Cannot override iPXE host <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779716>
[17:39] <mup> Bug #1779239 opened: maas deploy uefi centos7, cant find /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi <uefi> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:New> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779239>
[17:45] <mup> Bug #1779239 changed: maas deploy uefi centos7, cant find /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi <uefi> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:New> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779239>
[17:54] <mup> Bug #1779239 opened: maas deploy uefi centos7, cant find /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi <uefi> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:New> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779239>
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1779239 changed: maas deploy uefi centos7, cant find /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi <uefi> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:New> <maas-images:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779239>


[07:03] <Scary_Guy> So, I've got NUT running on my system.    If I could just get an icon in my statusbar I would be so happy.
[21:12] <jrwren> ok, rpi5 is pretty awesome. darned fast. nice upgrade.
[21:53] <Mooncairn> OMG Win 10 is such a horrifying nightmare.
[21:53] <Mooncairn> Actually, s/10//
[21:55] <Mooncairn> I really don't know how people put up with it.
[21:59] <Mooncairn> On a somewhat related topic: Can a semi-usable Ubuntu installation be had in only 20G of disk space (because that's all of the space I can recover by shrinking Win's partition)?
[22:05] <llua> i haven't used ubuntu in over a decade, but an ubuntu desktop install is >20G?
[22:06] <Mooncairn> That's what I'm wondering. I've done a Debian install in a 20GB VM before, and the base install plus KDE was around 9GB. User files quickly exhausted the remaining space.
[22:16] <jrwren> I'd say yes, but with ubuntu putting so many things in snaps, the answer is probably no.
[22:16] <jrwren> debian bookworm is pretty nice these days. or anything that isn't ubuntu w/ snaps
[22:16] <jrwren> it really depends on what you are going to use it for.
[22:17] <jrwren> its pretty easy to slim down a linux distro. Not using open office? remove it. not printing, remove all of cups. etc etc
[22:17] <jrwren> `du -hx / | sort -hr | less` is your friend.
[22:18] <Mooncairn> This is for my mom's computer. She's having no end of problems but won't abandon Windows.
[22:19] <Mooncairn> I'd wanted to shrink the Windows partition (assuming I'd have gotten more than 20GB in the process) and install Ubuntu or Debian as a trail balloon.
[22:19] <jrwren> good luck.
[22:20] <Mooncairn> s/trail/trial
[22:20] <jrwren> I told my mom, "sorry mom, I don't know Windows these days. Maybe ask a friend"
[22:20] <Mooncairn> I've told my mom that, too, but she won't listen.
[22:21] <jrwren> 🤐


[17:19] <slomo> pitti: vapigen's GIR support is a bit suboptimal, iirc it doesn't even use the metadata files (because the GIR should have all required information)
[17:19] <slomo> pitti: it's better to use vala-gen-introspect and the generated gi file instead, then you can use the metadata files
[17:19] <slomo> pitti: that's what all bindings that are shipped with vala do
[17:40] <vish> pitti: hi , when you get time could you upload humanity to lucid-proposed. its been waiting in the lucid queue for a while :)


[00:11] <dvhart> chiques, what do you mean?
[00:12] <dvhart> doesn't sound familiar
[00:12] <dvhart> what sort of question/message are you seeing?
[00:17] <dvhart> lol, and I thought I was a pedantic arse
[00:17] <dvhart> Linus just won't Al Viro an essay about proper git commit headers and logs
[00:17] <dvhart> awesome
[00:17] <dvhart> linus++
[00:17] <dvhart> doh, wrong channel
[00:17] <dvhart> sorry
[00:47] <insta> hey guys ... is there a way to batch the imdb movie poster thingy?  i have a directory with roughly 200 movies in it, and i'm really not wanting to grab posters one by one ...
[00:49] <tgm4883_laptop> insta, imdb-bulk-updater, you can try mythvideo-bulk-updater from the mythbuntu-testing PPA
[00:49] <insta> whoa
[00:49] <insta> no way, thanks
[00:55] <chiques> dvhart, I'll take a screenshot and see if I can get it.
[01:15] <chiques> dvhart, I'll just reformat my whole disk with the Ubuntu 8.10 Mythtv installer.
[02:04] <chiques> OK, I just installed mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-proper-i386.iso and it runs the front end gui nicely. The problem now is when i select the "Watch TV" option. It simply flashes the screen and stays in the main menu. Is there anything I have to do to get my tv card to work?
[02:21] <hads> !logs
[02:21] <chiques> mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-proper-i386.iso is cool. I can get itunes trailers, movie times at my local theaters and even see the weather but I can't get my darn tv card to work.
[02:21] <hads> The bot isn't here :)
[02:21] <hads> The logs are in /var/log/mythtv/
[02:23] <chiques> hads, you asking me to send you the logs?
[02:23] <hads> I'm suggesting looking through them so you can see what the problem is.
[02:23] <chiques> hads, Oh, OK. I'll check them out
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest14> hello. I installed the new 8.10, and after working out all the kinks I can using available resources, I still find myself unable to see any tv listings.
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest14> is there an easy way to check that my db has has been populated? (my sql from the iso)
[03:46] <Aquahallic> evenin' folks
[03:48] <Aquahallic> had a jfs storage drive on a mythbuntu 8.04 install and had a motherboard fail... so I move the drive into another machine and setup mythbuntu 8.10 and when I try to mount the jfs drive it won't let me...
[03:55] <MythbuntuGuest14> no tv listings, but nothing in my mythtvbackend.log to indicate any kind of failure. is there an other way to check if the db was populated?
[04:09] <MythbuntuGuest14> !help
[04:14] <Yagisan> Aquahallic, you need to force a fsck on the jfs volume
[04:14] <Yagisan> Aquahallic, sudo touch /forcefsck and reboot should be sufficent
[04:14] <Aquahallic> hrm
[04:14] <Aquahallic> ok
[04:14] <Yagisan> <- runs jfs volumes - but not mytyhbuntu
[04:15] <Yagisan> they refuse to mount when "dirty"
[04:16] <Aquahallic> kewl... lemme give that a whirl
[04:18] <Yagisan> man - I have one hell of a hangover today :D
[04:19] <Aquahallic> heh... I still have one hr until new yrs...:P
[04:19] <Aquahallic> actually about 40 min.
[04:19] <Aquahallic> lol
[04:19] <Yagisan> enjoy :D
[04:20] <Yagisan> wow - what the hell did I code up last night.
[04:20]  * Yagisan investigates his less than sober coding spree
[06:00] <rhpot1991> !status
[06:00] <Zinn> I am alive.
[09:42] <thenetduck> Hi would anyone be able to help me?
[09:43] <thenetduck> as pink floyd would say.... "is there any body out there..."
[09:44] <hads> !ask
[09:44] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[09:44] <thenetduck> ok
[09:45] <thenetduck> I have installed mythubuntu and am trying to connect to my cable via tv tuner but don't know how. I have comcast cable
[09:46] <thenetduck> this is my capture card: 00:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)
[09:46] <thenetduck> 00:08.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02)
[09:46] <thenetduck> is there something I am doing wrong?
[09:46] <hads> That's a software capture card. I don't know anything about them but you should be able to set it up fine.
[09:47] <thenetduck> hads do I connect from my cable box into my mythbox or do I connect directly from the wall?
[09:47] <hads> I don't know, we don't have cable here.
[09:48] <thenetduck> ok
[17:16] <ehazlett> i keep getting the Database Access Denied with mythweb...  i have run through the INSTALL and changed all passwords to match... can anyone help?
[17:21] <PMantis> Hi everyone! Happy new year!
[17:22] <PMantis> I'm using Mythbuntu 8.10 on the backend w/o X, and 8.10 on the frontends. Since the frontends are only on when I want to watch something, what should I do to properly schedule mythfilldatabase?
[17:24] <tgm4883_laptop> PMantis, what do you mean?  mythfilldatabase is run on the backend
[17:25] <PMantis> I found a thread that suggested this was configured on the frontend: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=673490
[17:25] <tgm4883_laptop> configured on the frontend, but run on the backend
[17:25] <PMantis> tgm4883_laptop: ...and I know it wasn't updating for me :(
[17:25] <PMantis> Ahh, ok
[17:26] <tgm4883_laptop> in the frontend, you are just setting it up in the database
[17:26] <PMantis> Does each frontend have to have the selected?
[17:26] <PMantis> s/the/that
[17:26] <tgm4883_laptop> no, just set it up on one
[17:27] <PMantis> Cool, thanks. Any advantage/disadvantage to just using cron?
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, if you do, mythfilldatabase will get jeolous and stab you with a sharpened MCE remote
[17:28] <PMantis> lol
[17:30] <PMantis> One more question that I can think of right now... On the backend, mythtv is  uid=108(mythtv) gid=117(mythtv) ... on my main frontend, uid=999(mythtv) gid=999(mythtv). This of course causes the NFS volumes for media to have the wrong ownership on the frontend, and requires chmod 666. Should this be?
[17:31] <PMantis> Actually, my frontend is not on right now, so I think it's:  uid=999(mythfrontend) gid=999(mythfrontend)
[17:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> tgm4883_laptop: you do dvd isos right?
[17:47] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991_laptop, I used to
[17:48] <tgm4883_laptop> PMantis, you probably need to look into changing the UID and GID on the frontend
[17:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> haven't in a while then?
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> nope, I converted everything to save space.
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> I might have a couple left, whats up?
[17:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> I have an issue where they skip a ton during playback on my 2nd backend/frontend
[17:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> yet HD recordings don't do the same, and they should be more intensive
[17:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> get a lot of NVP buffer errors in the backend, so I prob need to enable  verbose logging
[17:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> thinking about killing upnp, seeing if that helps.  If not then I'll try xine and see what that does.
[17:55] <tgm4883_laptop> I haven't followed it much, but at one time UPNP was leaky
[17:55] <tgm4883_laptop> I've been working on getting fuppes working in order to stream to my 360
[17:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya I'm wondering if I am getting upnp garbage clogging my network
[17:59] <rhpot1991_laptop> isos are shared over nfs as well, so I dunno if there is something there I could be looking at
[18:53] <MythbuntuGuest22> hello all. Need an easy way to check if my DB was populated when I did the mythbackendfill - I get no listings and I've tried everything solution I can find online.
[18:55] <laga> MythbuntuGuest22: have you connected your video source to your tv card in mythtv-setup? "input connections" it's called.
[19:11] <MythbuntuGuest22> laga: didn't realize it had to be connected during setup. I've a bit of "huh?" going on concerning input devices; got a supported capture card but I don't think it an actual "tv" card..
[19:14] <MythbuntuGuest22> is there somewhere I can get help on the input devices?
[19:19] <MythbuntuGuest22> it's a winfast card with a bt878a and is detected fine but I really see no way it would be able to control the incoming signal for channel change and such.
[19:45] <MythbuntuGuest22> you guys do actually control your channels through myth, not just capture the line signal - right?
[19:56] <tony> hellow everyone
[19:58] <chiques> Hello everyone,
[20:00] <chiques> I can't get the "Watch TV" option to launch using mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-proper-i386.iso. I've checked the front end log but I can't see any errors pertaning to my tv card. I have a Hauppage BT878. My log is on http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m6a9badf5 . Any suggestions?
[20:31] <chiques> aaaargh. xawtv works fine (without audio) but mythtv "Watch TV" doesn't launch any television application. It simply flickers and stays on the Mythtv screen
[20:38] <MythbuntuGuest50> is there a difference between a "capture card" and a "tv card", if I both use a (e.g.) bt878 chip?
[20:42] <ericrost> any idea why the file types dialog wouldn't save new types?
[20:42] <ericrost> in the video settings menu
[20:43] <MythbuntuGuest50> for that matter - any reason why permissions set in thunar file manager (as root) don't take?
[20:48] <ericrost> wow, some included themes aren't compatible, and it apparently causes that, maybe don't include them?
[20:53] <laga> ericrost: oh, neat. it's a bug in the theme? i was getting really mad about that
[20:53] <laga> please file a bug report at http://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[20:56] <ericrost> it works fine on the default mythbuntu theme
[21:00] <ericrost> filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/312990
[21:01] <MythbuntuGuest50> so is there an actual "best" pci card for myth - preferably not expensive..?
[21:01] <MythbuntuGuest50> !zinn best tv card
[21:01] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about zinn best tv card
[21:01] <MythbuntuGuest50> !best tv card
[21:01] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about best tv card
[21:01] <ericrost> I like my hauppage
[21:02] <MythbuntuGuest50> does your card do the actual controlling of your channels- like a receiver would?
[21:12] <MythbuntuGuest48> I am struggling to get 2 800i capture cards functioning with 9.04 b2.  The card is detected with what I beleive to be proper driver and firmware.  Channel scan is succesful for analog but not digital.  Analog works until attempted channel change.   Any help troubleshooting this is appreciated.
[21:17] <PMantis> I'm having trouble with the Netflix plugin. I can browse and add movies to the queue, but when I try to "View Queue", I seein the log:  QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::finished(NewsSite*) to MythFlixQueue::slotNewsRetrieved(NewsSite*)
[21:23] <MythbuntuGuest50> what please is the difference between the proprietary nvidia driver "173" and "177" which I am prompted to install?
[21:23] <MythbuntuGuest50> are those version numbers?
[21:24] <MythbuntuGuest50> err- I mean, version as in source control type of version..
[21:41] <entilzha> Hey guys! I'm planning to construct myself a HTPC. Preferably based on the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H. I can't find any recent information on whether this board (and especially the AMD 780G chipset) are supported by Mythbuntu. Any of you have a definitive yes or no on that?
[22:37] <entilzha> oki, g2g for now.
[22:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a known issue/config option that causes the Playback OSD to display a channel number that is 1000 less than the actual channel ID?
[23:33] <tritium> Any word on the linux support for the Hauppage WinTV-HVR-2250, which was supposed to be supported by the end of 2008?  (ref: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-2250)
[23:34] <SHADOW__X> how do you use atsc with qam and analog on the  2250
[23:34] <tritium> SHADOW__X: it's got hybrid tuners
[23:36] <SHADOW__X> thats not the question
[23:36] <SHADOW__X> it has one coax input for the tuners
[23:37] <tritium> Then state your question.
[23:38] <SHADOW__X> it doesnt seem like you would beable to use a atsc antenna and cable from the home unless a combiner was used
[23:39] <tritium> Yeah, I think they would both have to be over-the-air sources.
[23:39] <SHADOW__X> yeah
[23:41] <tritium> Unless you didn't mind bringing in cable through the S-Video or composite inputs on the PCI bracket.
[23:41] <SHADOW__X> right
[23:44] <tritium> I might go ahead and order one, as I expect it will be supported soon.
[23:45] <SHADOW__X> yeah those seem to be good except that i wish you could use r tuners at once
[23:46] <SHADOW__X> because unless i am mistaken
[23:46] <SHADOW__X> you cant
[23:50] <tgm4883_laptop> what are we talking about?
[23:51] <SHADOW__X> hvr 2250
[23:51] <SHADOW__X> can you use all the tuners at once
[23:52] <tgm4883_laptop> I haven't tested it as I don't have one, but I would guess yes since it has dual tuners and not a hybrid tuner
[23:54] <tritium> I would think you could use two tuners at once, as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-2250 describes
[23:55] <tritium> tgm4883_laptop: it's not clear that those cards are yet supported.  It was expected to be supported at the end of 2008.
[23:57] <tgm4883_laptop> unfortunatly the hauppauge website seems down, so we can't check for a status update
[23:59] <tritium> And this thread hasn't been updated in a while: http://lists-archives.org/video4linux/24216-hvr2250-hvr2200-saa7164-status.html


[06:32] <tjaalton> can someone on wily test if screen rotation works?
[06:32] <tjaalton> because it doesn't work here
[06:37] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, works for me, just tried 180° rotation on a intel laptop config
[06:37] <tjaalton> seb128: try 90/270
[06:38] <tjaalton> xrandr --output foo --rotate left
[06:38] <tjaalton> and then --rotate normal
[06:43] <tjaalton> 90/270 doesn't work here with bsw/skl at least
[06:48] <seb128> tjaalton, rotation "works" using 90/270° here
[06:49] <seb128> unity doesn't use all the visible space
[06:49] <tjaalton> right
[06:49] <tjaalton> so it's broken the same way :)
[06:49] <tjaalton> as here
[06:49] <seb128> k
[06:50] <tjaalton> thanks for verifying
[06:51] <seb128> yw
[07:00] <tjaalton> unity doesn't start after upgrade..
[07:00] <tjaalton> wily
[07:01] <seb128> "great"
[07:01] <seb128> what's the error?
[07:01] <seb128> what packages did you upgrade?
[07:01] <tjaalton> where? I get no error
[07:01] <tjaalton> just no wm
[07:01] <seb128> sudo journalctl
[07:01] <tjaalton> almost 400 upgrades
[07:01] <tjaalton> didn't do a dist-upgrade since it would've removed 40 packages
[07:01] <seb128> I'm doing a dist-upgrade atm, can try in a few minutes
[07:02] <tjaalton> including ubuntu-desktop
[07:02] <tjaalton> maybe a reboot helps..
[07:02] <seb128> what is in journalctl?
[07:03] <tjaalton> checking
[07:04] <tjaalton> nothing about unity
[07:07] <tjaalton> compiz is running
[07:08] <tjaalton> I installed another machine with wily yesterday and it's fine, no pending upgrades either
[07:09] <tjaalton> the problematic one was upgraded from vivid in june
[07:09] <tjaalton> so could be it's just the blocked updates causing this
[07:09] <tjaalton> compiz included
[07:12] <seb128> tjaalton, is the unity plugin enabled/loaded?
[07:12] <tjaalton> running dist-upgrade already
[07:17] <tjaalton> it removed u-d, but reinstall pulled in some v5 libs
[07:18] <tjaalton> and unity works again
[07:18] <tjaalton> so it was just that "safe" upgrade broke it
[07:18] <seb128> k
[07:24] <seb128> Laney, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1473006 still on your list?
[07:26] <seb128> qengho, chrisccoulson, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~fred-wang/ubuntu/wily/firefox/fix-for-1473552/+merge/268213 ? it's a small packaging change to firefox font suggests
[07:47] <willcooke> o/
[07:49] <TheMuso> Jeu wo./
[07:49] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[07:49] <willcooke> Hey TheMuso, just catching up on email and I'll be with you
[07:49] <TheMuso> Ok.
[07:51] <seb128> hey willcooke TheMuso
[07:52] <willcooke> morning seb128 - having fun @ Deb COnf?
[07:52] <seb128> willcooke, hey, debconf was great but I'm back at normal work today, wanted to have a few days home before London next week and then holidays
[07:52] <willcooke> good plan
[07:52] <seb128> :-)
[07:53] <seb128> how are things in desktop lands? nothing collapsed while we were at debconf?
[07:53] <seb128> I kept an eye on IRC but not all the time
[07:53] <willcooke> all very quiet
[07:53] <seb128> seems things are mostly ok thoguh
[07:53] <seb128> good
[07:53] <willcooke> found time to get some long awaited admin done
[07:53] <willcooke> hence the wiki update ;)
[07:53] <seb128> :-)
[07:58] <seb128> didn't know about @SIG@, that's cool
[08:11] <tjaalton> meh, now guest session starts unity fine, real users still not
[08:13] <tjaalton> nah, just the one that tried to login while system was in limbo
[08:13] <tjaalton> guess the unity plugin is disabled there then
[08:15] <seb128> could be
[08:15] <seb128> try ccsm?
[08:16] <tjaalton> it was, enabling didn't help, or the settings didn't stick
[08:16] <willcooke> seb128, do you know who, if anyone, in the team has a blog which is federated in Planet Ubuntu and Gnome?
[08:16] <didrocks> (gnomefr planet only for me)
[08:17] <seb128> willcooke, unsure, I can't think of anyone atm
[08:17] <willcooke> nw, thx seb128 didrocks
[08:17] <willcooke> ahhhh
[08:18] <willcooke> I know who might know...
[08:18] <tjaalton> nope, ccsm shows unity is checked, still doesn't work
[08:18] <seb128> robert_ancell maybe
[08:18] <willcooke> popey, ^^^
[08:18] <seb128> willcooke, robert I think
[08:18] <willcooke> ahh, perfect
[08:18] <willcooke> thx
[08:18] <seb128> :-)
[08:18] <willcooke> TheMuso, I think we've found our target :) ^^
[08:28] <tjaalton> moved old ~/.config aside, now unity works
[08:36] <seb128> tjaalton, did you try to just reactivate the unity plugin in compiz?
[08:36] <tjaalton> yes
[08:36] <tjaalton> ran unity --replace too but the panels didn't show up
[08:36] <tjaalton> nor window controls for ccsm or xterm
[08:37] <seb128> weird
[08:38] <tjaalton> so rotate not working is probably caused by unity
[08:38] <tjaalton> since the intel driver didn't change (yet)
[08:39] <tjaalton> I'll file a bug and see where it goes..
[08:42] <seb128> unity didn't change either afaik
[08:42] <seb128> are you sure it ever worked differently?
[08:42] <tjaalton> could be mesa then
[08:42] <tjaalton> yes vivid works fine
[08:43] <seb128> can you file your bug rls-w-incoming?
[08:43] <seb128> tag
[08:43] <tjaalton> sure
[09:03] <tseliot> are emails to the technical board moderated even when using an ubuntu.com email address?
[09:04] <tseliot> (one that matches an actual developer)
[09:04] <tjaalton> use the account that you subscribed with
[09:07] <tseliot> tjaalton: oh, ok
[09:08] <tjaalton> seb128: turns out building the vivid -intel source on wily breaks rotation...
[09:08] <tjaalton> vivid binary works
[09:10] <seb128> oh, fun!
[09:10] <seb128> blame doko ;-)
[09:10] <tjaalton> probably :)
[09:28] <willcooke> Trevinho, out of interest have you made any progress on the dash overlay scroll bars yet?  I'm about to post a quick video and I wondered if you can give an rough estimate as to when the dash might be able to adopt the same style of OSB?
[10:01] <Laney> seb128: yeah, I have the tab open at home, just didn't get to it yet
[10:02] <desrt> Laney: where are you?
[10:03] <Laney> in the courtyard
[11:52] <Trevinho> willcooke: so.... This week I had no time yet as the AP testing/fixing of the silo that was landing took most of my time ( :(, and not having a test machine doesn't help)
[11:52] <Trevinho> willcooke: but on the past week I've something done, there are some bugs to fix, but it mostly works as it shoud. However I also looked at the gtk css to see if we can improve it to look more like the legacy ones, since there are few small inconstences
[11:54] <Trevinho> willcooke: http://i.imgur.com/kUioCLs.png this is on mouse-over... Although there's a nux bug to fix to move the background below the OSB as well...
[13:41] <Trevinho> bregma: hey! So... I leave to you the honor of pressing publish button for that unity silo.
[13:44] <willcooke> thx Trevinho, looks good so far
[13:50] <seb128> Trevinho, do it, press the button!
[13:51] <willcooke> Doooo itttttttt
[13:51] <Trevinho> seb128: don't tempt me :)... It's the last bregma unity7 landing, so I don't want steal him the honor :P
[13:51] <Trevinho> ouch
[13:52] <seb128> :-)
[13:52]  * willcooke stands up
[13:52] <willcooke> It's only right
[14:06] <bregma> button pushed
[14:08]  * willcooke sits down
[14:08] <willcooke> thanks bregma
[14:36] <Trevinho> yay
[14:38] <Trevinho> bregma: everything should be approved now...
[16:40] <davmor2> willcooke: did you say something on the internet again?????? G+ feed is just full of upstream overlay scrollbars ;)
[16:40] <willcooke> davmor2, :D
[17:32] <willcooke> g'nigh
[17:32] <willcooke> t


[16:59] <ilmaisin> hello
[16:59] <ilmaisin> how long it is normal for a sru to stay in verification-done?
[18:33] <davmor2> ilmaisin: until someone lands it I guess