[04:37] <desertc> Anyone around?
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> yup
[04:37] <desertc> :)
[04:37] <desertc> I have been watching some marketing videos.
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> oh dear
[04:37] <desertc> Yeah.
[04:38] <Burgundavia> indeed
[04:38] <desertc> What do we need to do to attract creative people to Ubuntu and allow them to create unique works of video art?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> ignore most marketing stuff, it applies to big marketing orgs
[04:38] <Burgundavia> we need a place for people to easily put that video art up somewhere
[04:38] <desertc> Well, youtube is a start.
[04:38] <Burgundavia> no, not youtube
[04:39] <Burgundavia> like Mozilla id
[04:39] <desertc> Yes, youtube is terrible.
[04:39] <Burgundavia> http://www.firefoxflicks.com/
[04:39] <Burgundavia> see if they will give up taht code
[04:39] <Burgundavia> if they won't, tell me
[04:39] <desertc> Oooh..
[04:40] <desertc> Well, I am thinking more of the creation of the .MOV files on Ubuntu...
[04:40] <desertc> Or .OGG for that matter.
[04:41] <Burgundavia> you talking about getting the programs ready?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> pitivi is the answer to that
[04:41] <desertc> Is there a learning path where creative people can be directed to create videos?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> are you talking about programs to create such videos or a campaign such as firefoxflicks?
[04:42] <desertc> I am not a video person myself.  It's all I can do to take pictures and save them away.  But some people are big into video and video editing.
[04:42] <desertc> Is there a tutorial that can show people how to save video and edit it on Ubuntu?
[04:43] <desertc> Burgundavia: Let me look at these videos and I'll tell you....
[04:44] <Burgundavia> we need better editing software
[04:44] <Burgundavia> Pitivi is the way forward
[04:45] <desertc> Yes, exactly like those videos!
[04:46] <desertc> Then, the second part of my idea...
[04:46] <desertc> Public Access Cable Television.
[04:47] <desertc> But for starters, getting some video content about Ubuntu would be tops.
[04:47] <desertc> I am surprised at the video quality of the Firefox videos, frankly.
[04:47] <Burgundavia> again, we need the program. Pitivi is what we need
[04:47] <Burgundavia> http://www.pitivi.org/
[04:47] <desertc> Thanks for the link.
[04:48] <Burgundavia> however, having a firefoxflicks style contest is really parallel to getting a good video editor
[04:48] <Burgundavia> in fact, they compliment each other
[04:49] <desertc> You're right.  Pitivi looks very nice.
[04:49] <desertc> How far is the project?
[04:49] <desertc> How mature?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> needs a bunch of work
[04:50] <desertc> Ah.
[04:52] <desertc> We could put the screencasts on our local cable public access channels, for starters.
[04:52] <Burgundavia> screencasts are boring documentation
[04:52] <Burgundavia> popey: no offence, given I know you are going to read this :)
[04:52] <desertc> But I wanted to emphasize that video is an effective marketing channel.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> yes, but screencasts are not the way to do that
[04:53] <desertc> Hmm -- agreed.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> getting yourself on those channels would be a good thing
[04:53] <Burgundavia> dress up spiffy and bring a laptop with a default install of Ubuntu on it
[04:53] <desertc> What about audio content?  Any 30 second audio clips promoting Ubuntu?
[04:54] <Burgundavia> not currently
[04:54] <Burgundavia> that would be the point of having such a contest
[04:54] <desertc> Here's another idea: Get some audio marketing into podcasts by paying for advertisement.
[04:55] <Burgundavia> or better yet, get the podcasts to promote a contest, which costs us nothing
[04:56] <desertc> But the 'cast community is moving to video format, so best to think of the future.
[04:57] <Burgundavia> I don't see the podcast community as a target for playing ads
[04:57] <desertc> Contest?  To create what?
[04:57] <Burgundavia> I see them as an ally to getting people to help us make those ads for other targets
[04:58] <desertc> I think putting an ad in a popular PC Tech podcast could get some mileage.
[04:58] <desertc> (What do people in other countries say who use kilometers?  I guess they don't have the phrase, 'get some mileage'.)
[04:59] <desertc> Anyway, I think it might have some traction to get the Ubuntu message to a typically Windows podcast.
[04:59] <Burgundavia> mileage is pretty much a common term across all of English-dom
[04:59] <Burgundavia> ads in podcast == bad
[05:00] <Burgundavia> them talking about us == good
[05:00] <desertc> Hmm
[05:00] <desertc> Maybe I could get some interview spots with them, at least.
[05:02] <desertc> http://www.accesschannel.com/whatisaccess.asp
[05:05] <desertc> Interesting that the Firefox Flicks are copyrighted by Firefox.
[05:32] <desertc> Burgundavia: Your talk on copyright attribution the other night has me all worked up.  I am watching derivative works and wondering why they do not attribute their sources, or whether an original, modified source needs to be attributed or otherwise completely not used.
[05:33] <desertc> I started to read American copyright law, but, oh my gosh, is that some long legal code.
[05:34] <desertc> Then, I come to find out that Australian copyright law is even more restrictive than the American code.  Makes one want to generate everything by hand, which is, I guess, what everyone has been doing for the Ubuntu Marketing effort.
[05:34] <Burgundavia> not really
[05:34] <Burgundavia> ignore copyright law, pay attention to the licenses
[05:34] <desertc> Not really?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> people have been creating such from scratch because they cannot find the existing stuff
[05:36] <desertc> Well, I am just venting frustration.  I understand the copyright laws are a legal morass right now, when considering computer technology.
[05:37] <desertc> As long as we can create new content on Ubuntu, then it isn't all bad.


[05:33] <DiFish> hi!
[05:34] <DiFish> I am a bit confused about this
[05:34] <DiFish> A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MB of RAM. Desktop CD should not be used to install on systems with less than 1 GB of RAM. Please download the alternate ISO.
[05:34] <DiFish> ^ quoted from the lubuntu wiki
[05:34] <DiFish> what did the wiki mean by desktop cd should not be used to install on systems with less than 1gb RAM?
[05:35] <DiFish> and where is this alternate iso?
[05:35] <DiFish> :)
[05:37] <bioterror> 196 is the limit for graphical installation
[05:38] <bioterror> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[05:38] <bioterror> Alternate install CD
[05:38] <bioterror> you can search for that
[05:38] <DiFish> ah
[05:38] <DiFish> I have 256
[05:38] <DiFish> MB
[05:38] <DiFish> so its fine?
[05:38] <bioterror> it should be fine
[05:39] <DiFish> btw I used xubuntu desktop to install as well
[05:39] <DiFish> I am assumuing lubuntu is friendly on hardware side compared to xubuntu
[05:39] <DiFish> is it correct?
[05:40] <DiFish> I got a PC with 1.6ghz amd and 256mb ram
[05:40] <DiFish> :)
[05:44] <DiFish> tootai: hello!
[05:47] <DiFish> bioterror: thanks for the help :)
[08:16] <kino1> Здравствуйте ,я решил уйти с виндовс поставил lubuntu пока доволен
[08:20] <kino1> Hello
[08:20] <kino1> Тут кто нибудь говорит по русски???
[10:16] <silverarrow> is someone using libre office?
[10:16] <silverarrow> I have changed default language, and cannot make spell check work
[10:16] <silverarrow> It was originally us english but not any more
[13:14] <setman> Hi all. Is there any software (gui) to configure keyboard shortcuts ?
[13:14] <setman> I began with lubuntu 2 days ago :/
[13:14] <bioterror> who needs one when you can easily modify lubuntu-rc.xml ;)
[13:15] <setman> too hard
[13:32] <DiFish> hello again!
[13:32] <DiFish> I am trying to install lubuntu 12.04
[13:33] <DiFish> during the "copying files" progress after a while the desktop goes blank
[13:33] <DiFish> only the busy cursor remains and the hdd as well as the installation media shows no activity
[13:33] <DiFish> is this normal?
[13:35] <DiFish> happens exactly after the screen where it says LXDE is a lightweight and fast.... one with a cartoon in the screenshot
[13:35] <DiFish> happens at that spot everytime
[13:35] <DiFish> :)
[13:41] <DiFish> anykind of help would be great
[13:47] <Gosy> Hello everyone
[13:48] <DiFish> Gosy: Hi
[13:48] <Gosy> I have a quick question here to ask
[13:48] <DiFish> no one seems to be active atm, but ask away anyway
[13:48] <Gosy> I was thinking of installing Lubuntu for the first time ever, even as a linux distro, i've never ever used linux before.
[13:48] <zleap> iam sort of
[13:48] <DiFish> and?
[13:49] <DiFish> zleap: hi
[13:49] <zleap> hi
[13:49] <Gosy> I'm just curious. I have an old laptop that i'm going to do it on, but i've lost all my drivers for it
[13:49] <DiFish> umm linux doesn't need seperate drivers
[13:49] <Gosy> How does drivers work in linux based OS?
[13:49] <DiFish> if it does,it'll find itself
[13:49] <DiFish> ^
[13:49] <Gosy> Ah, that's quite nice to hear actually
[13:49] <zleap> best thing to do is perhaps boot a live cd  or usb stick and see if it picks stuff up i guess
[13:50] <DiFish> ^
[13:50] <DiFish> that is a good advice
[13:50] <Gosy> Think i have to go with an usb stick
[13:50] <Gosy> since my cdrom wont work :|
[13:51] <Gosy> Another question
[13:51] <zleap> ok
[13:51] <Gosy> How does it work to play moveis in Lubuntu
[13:51] <DiFish> VLC?
[13:52] <Gosy> Is it depended on how my gfx card is ?
[13:52] <zleap> yeah vlc
[13:52] <DiFish> linux is kind of mac
[13:52] <zleap> how old is this laptop
[13:52] <Gosy> almost a year or so. I've experiencing alot of lags on it. It's a Asus Notebook with Win Starter.
[13:53] <Gosy> When i bought it, it said that it "CAN" play up full HD movies, but last time i tried a 720p movie, it lagged and my whole screen went green
[13:54] <DiFish> interesting
[13:54] <DiFish> RAM?
[13:54] <DiFish> ^
[13:54] <Gosy> 2gb
[13:54] <DiFish> great! you have enought to run almost any linux distro
[13:55] <DiFish> *enough
[13:55] <Gosy> Yeah, but i want to try to run the most lightweight OS as possible
[13:55] <Gosy> I really want to enjoy watching movies on it, but has really never happend
[13:55] <DiFish> lubuntu, elementaryos, slitaz,peppermint os are all examples of light yet beautiful ones
[13:56] <DiFish> the lightest but not so welcoming ones are puppy slax etc
[13:56] <Gosy> I'll try out Lubuntu first then. Now over to how on earth to make a lubuntu boot usb ^^
[13:56] <zleap> startup disk creator
[13:56] <DiFish> universal usb installer
[13:57] <DiFish> ^
[13:57] <zleap> Gosy, are you using linux atm
[13:57] <DiFish> no he says he got win7 starter
[13:57] <zleap> ok
[13:57] <Gosy> No zleap. This is my main pc
[13:57] <zleap> ok DiFish i may have to let you explain how to make usb start up disks using windows
[13:57] <Gosy> My laptop uses win7 starter as DiFish stated.
[13:58] <Gosy> But the pc i'm currently typing from is using win7 64 pro
[13:58] <DiFish> Gosy: google for universal usb installer
[13:59] <Gosy> Allright
[13:59] <DiFish> or goto pendrivelinux.com
[13:59] <DiFish> there download universal usb installer
[13:59] <Gosy> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ ?
[14:00] <DiFish> yep
[14:00] <DiFish> ^
[14:02] <Gosy> Installing it now on the usb
[14:02] <DiFish> ??
[14:02] <Gosy> I really hope i can change to boot from usb on my laptop
[14:02] <DiFish> wait did you download the lubuntu iso from the lubuntu.org?
[14:02] <Gosy> Yes
[14:02] <DiFish> kk
[14:02] <Gosy> :)
[14:03] <DiFish> so select "Lubuntu 12.04 Desktop" from the dropdown list
[14:03] <DiFish> select browse and select that iso
[14:03] <DiFish> choose the appropriate usb(better to format it beforehand)
[14:03] <Gosy> Yup, done that
[14:04] <DiFish> once it says complete
[14:05] <Gosy> Yes?
[14:05] <DiFish> just reboot and get into bios(usually by pressing esc,alt+f~,del buttons)
[14:05] <DiFish> select the boot sequence to first start with USB-HDD
[14:05] <Gosy> Aye, will try that now, just a sec
[14:05] <DiFish> ^
[14:07] <Gosy> Couldn't see the option to boot from my usb stick, but silly me, forgott to plug it in hehe
[14:07] <zleap> oops
[14:08] <DiFish> zleap: think anything about mine problem?
[14:08] <DiFish> zleap: going blank during copying files
[14:09] <zleap> hang on
[14:09] <Gosy> Ah damn, my bios on my laptop doesn't support to boot from a usb stick
[14:10] <DiFish> hello Hirsch
[14:10] <Hirsch> hi
[14:10] <DiFish> :)
[14:10] <Hirsch> how do i install lubuntu within a running live system via terminal?
[14:11] <Hirsch> i think there was a command to do this
[14:11] <Hirsch> but i cant remember my first lubuntu installation
[14:11] <DiFish> Gosy: its not direct usb hdd
[14:11] <DiFish> you need to look aroudn where it list hdd
[14:11] <DiFish> there you'll find usb hdd
[14:11] <DiFish> ^
[14:11] <Gosy> Aye, was tinkering abit and found it :)
[14:11] <DiFish> kk good luck
[14:12] <DiFish> :)
[14:12] <Gosy> How much RAM do i need to install the 64-bit version
[14:12] <DiFish> no idea about that
[14:12] <DiFish> does your CPU support 64bit?
[14:12] <Gosy> I do know that i need a dual-core cpu
[14:12] <Gosy> which this laptop has
[14:13] <DiFish> not every duel core is 64bit
[14:13] <Hirsch> 64bit and ram < 4GB makes no sense
[14:13] <DiFish> ^ right
[14:13] <DiFish> Gosy got 1GB
[14:13] <Gosy> No i have 2gb
[14:13] <Hirsch> 32bit
[14:13] <DiFish> o.o
[14:13] <Gosy> I'm thinking of upgrading it to 4gb to be honest
[14:14] <Hirsch> you only need 64bit to use all your ram if its higher than 4gb
[14:14] <Gosy> So where do i go for installing Apps on the Lubuntu? Like vlc and such
[14:14] <DiFish> app center
[14:14] <DiFish> ^
[14:15] <Gosy> I'm trying out the "Live" lubuntu at the moment
[14:15] <DiFish> just like ios,android,mac etc
[14:15] <DiFish> syster>app center
[14:15] <Gosy> Can only see a place called "Lubuntu Software Center"
[14:15] <Gosy> is that it ?
[14:16] <DiFish> yep
[14:16] <DiFish> you found the right one
[14:16] <Gosy> Wow.. this really runs smooth on my laptop .. really amazed now
[14:16] <DiFish> :)
[14:17] <DiFish> lubuntu has your fav google chrome aka chromium
[14:17] <DiFish> dang!
[14:17] <Gosy> Yeah i saw that, and was really happy about that it's pre-installed
[14:17] <DiFish> I think I'll just make several partitions and try installing in each one in turn to see if I can skip that blank screening
[14:18] <DiFish> :(
[14:18] <Gosy> DiFish:  : x86 means the 32-bit, right?
[14:18] <DiFish> yep
[14:18] <DiFish> x86 =32bit x64 = 64bit
[14:19] <DiFish> I have a laptop running 64bit win7 ultimate
[14:19] <Gosy> That means i'm using the 64-bit on my laptop at the moment. Should i DL the 32bit instead or it doesn't really matter which one i install ?
[14:19] <DiFish> no awesome improvements, just a faster power drain
[14:19] <DiFish> Gosy: if you have less than 4gb 32 bit is awesome
[14:19] <DiFish> else 64 bit if you wantto cross that 4gb boundary
[14:20] <Gosy> But does it really improve on longer life on the battery if i install the 32bit instead?
[14:20] <DiFish> kind of, in case of windows it does significantly
[14:20] <DiFish> and 32 bit in some cases look faster imo
[14:20] <Gosy> Nah, talking about Lubuntu atm :=
[14:20] <Gosy> :)
[14:20] <DiFish> same I suppose I was on elementaryos
[14:20] <DiFish> moving to lubuntu now
[14:21] <Gosy> Okey, that means i have to re-create the installing-usb stick hehe :p
[14:29] <Gosy> When i install Lubuntu
[14:30] <Gosy> does my previous install of the Win7 Starter get removed?
[14:32] <DiFish> umm depends
[14:32] <Hirsch> Gosy: you have the choice in the installation program
[14:32] <DiFish> you get an option saying install beside windows
[14:32] <Hirsch> keyword: parallel installation
[14:32] <DiFish> just select that
[14:32] <Hirsch> Gosy: if you are not familiar with linux you can install it in windows with a .exe installer ;)
[14:33] <DiFish> give hdd to lubuntu option makes total use of the hdd so you lose winny the pooh
[14:33] <Hirsch> and handle linux like a windows program
[14:33] <Gosy> Nah, just remove win permanently, i rather install a fresh win xp on it later if that is required of me
[14:33] <Hirsch> it gets a full os
[14:33] <Hirsch> AAAA
[14:33] <DiFish> ^ battery size?
[14:33] <Hirsch> Gosy: rule #1
[14:33] <Hirsch> first install windows then linux
[14:33] <Hirsch> or windows will overwrite your mbr
[14:33] <Gosy> We dont talk about Lubuntu :o ?
[14:34] <DiFish> lubuntu = linux
[14:34] <DiFish> so we are on the topic
[14:34] <Gosy> So , if i would like win xp, i should install that firstly and afterwards lubuntu ?
[14:34] <Hirsch> yep
[14:34] <DiFish> only if you want to have win xp besides linx
[14:34] <Hirsch> lubuntu recognises windows and installs parallel to windows
[14:35] <Hirsch> windows is blind and eats your lubuntu
[14:35] <DiFish> ^ racism
[14:38] <Gosy> Wow, why haven't they done something about that on Microsoft :|
[14:38] <setman> DiFish : you said "you've enough ram to run almost any linux distro". Got 3Gb but kde is soooo sloooowwww and gnome3 too
[14:38] <DiFish> Microsoft =  we rule the universe
[14:38] <Gosy> It's really common nowadays that you have double-OS
[14:38] <DiFish> linux = we are happy with sharing, come get some cookies
[14:39] <Gosy> I wish i knew how everything worked in Linux, i wouldn't be using win for sure
[14:39] <Hirsch> Gosy: theres wine
[14:39] <Hirsch> its an application
[14:39] <Hirsch> it runs windows *.exe
[14:39] <Gosy> Ah sweet!
[14:39] <Hirsch> but no games
[14:39] <Gosy> Can i use that on lubuntu also?
[14:39] <Hirsch> or well some games :P
[14:39] <Hirsch> Gosy: yep
[14:40] <Hirsch> excel/word/etc is working fine :P
[14:40] <Hirsch> but why should i use them
[14:40] <DiFish> office.live.com has the whole office system free
[14:40] <Hirsch> there are similar free programms wich are fully compatible to win files and native linux programs
[14:41] <Hirsch> firefox/flash/java etc everything is availaible as linux version
[14:41] <Hirsch> nearly everything
[14:41] <DiFish> everything
[14:41] <DiFish> well just get used to it
[14:41] <DiFish> after a while you'll love it
[14:42] <DiFish> there are no more antivirus to guard your usb pains
[14:43] <DiFish> I was win xp fan
[14:44] <DiFish> but later elementaryos was awesome but it lagged a bit
[14:44] <DiFish> so moving to lubuntu
[14:49] <Gosy> Yeah!
[14:49] <DiFish> what?
[14:51] <Gosy> I really like Lubuntu
[14:51] <DiFish> good
[14:52] <DiFish> linux has come a long way since 1998
[14:52] <DiFish> its as good as mac and better than windows
[14:53] <Hirsch> i thin win is better than mac
[14:54] <DiFish> mac> windows
[14:54] <DiFish> linux ~ mac
[14:54] <DiFish> they share the same core anyway
[14:54] <Gosy> Let's say i install and overwrite my currently win7 starter edition, and decide later on that i also want win xp on it. Does my lubuntu installation get removed when i install the win xp ?
[14:56] <Hirsch> no but the bootloader
[14:56] <Hirsch> i advise you to install windows first
[14:57] <Hirsch> then you dont have to manage problems etc
[14:58] <DiFish> Gosy: best option, install xp, wubi to install lubuntu
[14:58] <Gosy> aw man, how am i suppose to find a decent 32bits win xp now , AND another boost-usb disk
[14:58] <DiFish> all happily ever after
[14:58] <Gosy> What's wubi?
[15:00] <DiFish> its a windows program to install linux beside windows
[15:00] <Gosy> But how am i suppose to install drivers for my laptop on windows. As i said before, i dont have the drivers cd left for it, even if i had, my cdrom wont work haha
[15:00] <Gosy> problem after problem.
[15:00] <DiFish> install linux like a program
[15:01] <DiFish> you can uninstall linux like anyother iwndows program if you don't like it
[15:01] <DiFish> that easy
[15:02] <Gosy> But will it work as a fully installed OS?
[15:11] <DiFish> sure
[15:11] <DiFish> why not?
[15:24] <Gosy> No idea, i dont know how linux works so, it sounds abit wierd that you install a full OS via an .exe file in windows hehe
[15:26] <Hirsch> Gosy: try it
[15:26] <Hirsch> its really good for beginners
[15:26] <Hirsch> wubi installer
[15:26] <Hirsch> 5MB or so
[15:26] <Hirsch> its really easy
[15:35] <DiFish> Gosy: wubi is already there in your usb stick
[15:35] <DiFish> the one you used to boot live
[15:35] <DiFish> :)
[16:30] <Gosy> Hmm ok
[17:05] <Gosy> finally, installing windows 32 now, so i can install lubuntu :|
[17:23] <Gosy> DiFish:
[17:23] <Gosy> you there ?
[17:45] <bipul> lubu, hi :d
[17:45] <lubu> hello
[17:46] <bipul> lubu, nice to see you.
[17:46] <lubu> yes
[17:46] <Gosy> hiho
[17:46] <bipul> Hi Gosy
[17:46] <lubu> hi Gosy
[17:49] <Gosy> So if i have double-OS installed on my laptop
[17:49] <Gosy> how do i force my laptop to boot Lubuntu as first "OS"
[17:49] <Gosy> choice.
[17:53] <Gosy> no1?
[18:08] <wxl> Gosy: GRUB should default to the lubuntu install unless you installed the other OS after
[18:13] <Gosy> prefect timing lol
[18:13] <Gosy> i was just about to install lubuntu now
[18:13] <Gosy> i just installed winxp 32
[18:13] <wxl> there ya go
[18:14] <wxl> but if you want to tweak this or other GRUB settings https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup#Configuring_GRUB_2
[18:14] <wxl> might want to check the partitiioning btw
[18:14] <wxl> typical install is to split the drive in two
[18:14] <Gosy> damn
[18:14] <Gosy> didn't partition it when i just recently installed win
[18:15] <wxl> what i mean is lubuntu will take care of it
[18:15] <wxl> but if you just let it run it will split it in two
[18:15] <wxl> you may prefer it to be more like 40:60 or whatever
[18:15] <Gosy> I don't really care how much it splits for the windows, since i wont be using it unless it's really necessary for me to do
[18:16] <wxl> well if you let it run, it will give 50% of your drive to windows
[18:16] <wxl> if you don't plan on using windows much, you might want to give it less
[18:16] <Gosy> but wxl : when i'm installing Lubuntu now, is it going to boot from it whenever i hit up my pc ?
[18:16] <wxl> should default to lubuntu
[18:17] <Gosy> Allright, i'll ask more here as i'm about to install it now
[18:17] <wxl> you might enjoy this https://launchintolinux.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/installing-lubuntu-a-step-by-step-guide-to-dual-booting/
[18:17] <Gosy> just conf my usb stick :p
[18:18] <Gosy> Sweet, thanks man
[18:18] <wxl> np
[18:18] <Gosy> that's really helpfull
[18:31] <smile> bye! :p
[18:48] <Gosy> for some strange reason now
[18:48] <Gosy> my laptop wont read my usb-stick
[18:48] <Gosy> and just loads winxp
[18:48] <bioterror> how did you make that usb stick
[18:52] <Gosy> from universal usb installer
[18:52] <bioterror> I would prefer just dd
[18:52] <Gosy> ah okey , well i made it work now
[18:53] <Gosy> i re-did the usb stick
[18:53] <bioterror> good
[18:53] <Gosy> and now it works
[18:53] <Gosy> had to conf the bios again
[18:59] <Zippa> Hi
[19:12] <Gosy> damn
[19:12] <Gosy> i followed the steps you gave me wxl
[19:12] <Gosy> but i think i did the partition part wrong
[19:12] <Gosy> gave lubuntu 50gb and win 250 :|
[19:12] <wxl> um
[19:13] <wxl> yeah
[19:13] <Gosy> there isn't any way to reverse this is there
[19:14] <wxl> well you can grow/shrink partitions
[19:14] <wxl> of course you always risk mucking up the hard drive but my experience has been that that risk is minimal
[19:16] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[19:16] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions
[19:20] <Gosy> i will prolly fail
[19:20] <Gosy> but i'm going to take that risk and try to learn something out of it
[19:22] <wxl> good idea
[19:22] <wxl> if you fail, you just reinstall
[19:22] <wxl> no big
[19:22] <Gosy> aye
[19:22] <Gosy> thx for the help tho, much appriciated
[19:22] <wxl> np
[19:54] <Gosy> this is so sweet
[19:54] <Gosy> lubuntu is running so smoothly
[19:54] <Gosy> it's incredible
[19:54] <wxl> Gosy: that's what it do XD
[19:55] <Gosy> unbelievablely smooth when browsing and watching a movie
[19:55] <bioterror> you dont seem watch 1080p l5.1 movie ;)
[19:55] <bioterror> +t0
[19:55] <bioterror> to
[20:20] <Hirsch> does lubuntu have software-centre installed by default?
[20:20] <Unit193> It has the Lubuntu software center.
[20:20] <Hirsch> o.O)
[20:21] <Hirsch> well i am using an old lubuntu version
[20:21] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-software-center
[20:21] <Hirsch> i installed it before lubuntu was an official *buntu
[20:21] <Hirsch> and installed software-center instead
[20:22] <Hirsch> whats the difference between lubuntu-software-center and software-center
[20:22] <bioterror> another one is lubuntu orientated :D
[20:22] <bioterror> guess which one :D
[20:23] <Hirsch> mh let me guess... ^^
[20:24] <Hirsch> well i thought about updating my whole lubuntu system
[20:24] <bioterror> you should do it :-)
[20:24] <Hirsch> but i have fear that my wifi card config will be lost
[20:24] <Hirsch> and it was hard to get it working under lubuntu
[20:24] <Hirsch> never kill a running system
[20:24] <bioterror> configuring GNU/Linux operating system is best thing what you can do wearing pants on
[20:25] <Hirsch> and my openbox.conf is so modified that it looks like gnome
[20:25] <Hirsch> dothey stay compatible
[20:25] <Hirsch> ?
[20:25] <bioterror> should stay
[20:27] <Hirsch> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-software-center
[20:27] <Hirsch> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[20:27] <Hirsch> Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
[20:27] <Hirsch> Statusinformationen werden eingelesen... Fertig
[20:27] <Hirsch> E: Paket lubuntu-software-center kann nicht gefunden werden
[20:28] <Hirsch> my lubuntu is too old
[20:28] <Hirsch> and i dont have time to add/search fo new ressources :P
[20:28] <bioterror> and it speaks romantic language
[20:28] <Hirsch> well thats german :p
[20:28] <zleap> what version u using
[20:29] <Hirsch> uh
[20:29] <bioterror> Hirsch, lsb-release -cd
[20:29]  * zleap is updating debian on rasp pI
[20:29] <bioterror> I ordered a case for pie, but never got the unit itself ordered yet, as they dont support paypal
[20:30] <bioterror> how they can mess up a thing like that
[20:30] <Hirsch> Linux version 2.6.38-15-generic (buildd@aatxe) (gcc version 4.5.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu4) ) #64-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 6 17:18:17 UTC 2012
[20:33] <Hirsch> i get the message i have "ubuntu 11.04" installed
[20:34] <bioterror> around that release the development of lsc started
[20:35] <Unit193> It's in 12.04 by default, and will be for 12.10 as well.
[20:35] <Hirsch> hij bob_
[20:35] <Hirsch> ok
[20:35] <bob_> i have installed lubuntu today but now i have a problem.... if i plug in my adapter now my laptop will not charge
[20:36] <Hirsch> should be a laptop problem
[20:36] <bob_> does anyone know a solution for that
[20:36] <Hirsch> not a lubuntu problem
[20:36] <bioterror> you could say that's a problem
[20:36] <Hirsch> turn off the pc and see if it will charge
[20:37] <bob_> if my pc is turned off it will charge but when itś turned on it won charge
[20:37] <bioterror> sounds quite weird
[20:38] <Hirsch> have you modified the bios battery settings by accident?
[20:38] <bob_> no i am sure i didnt do that
[20:38] <Hirsch> bob_: dual boot
[20:38] <Hirsch> ?
[20:39] <bob_> dual boot??? what do you mean?
[20:41] <bob_> but you have dont know if what i can change so my laptop will charge again?
[20:44] <bioterror> bob_, and your laptop is?
[20:44] <bioterror> brand and model, thanks
[20:47] <bob_> packard bell nav50
[20:51] <bioterror> bob_, is the battery hot?
[20:51] <bob_> No, it isnt hot
[20:54] <bioterror> that's not that common netbook :P
[20:54] <bob_> hm
[20:57] <bioterror> it could be a dead battery or something
[20:58] <bob_> i will try to put linux on it again
[20:58] <bioterror> but if it worked earlier on another OS, then hard to say why it'äs not charging
[21:01] <Hirsch> do you installed it with 'notebook' option?
[21:01] <Hirsch> if that still exist
[21:04] <Gosy> what a great change to switch to lubuntu
[21:04] <Gosy> never have to look for "free" antivirus
[21:05] <wxl> don't say never
[21:06] <Hirsch> Gosy: should i tell you something?
[21:08] <Gosy> Yes sure
[21:08] <wxl> Gosy: this will be surprising to you i think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
[21:08] <Gosy> wxl: why are you such a party-pooper :(
[21:08] <LordOfTime> and this is why IT Security precautions are always necessary
[21:08] <LordOfTime> COMMON SENSE!  FIREWALLS!  THE BASICS (minus antivirus)
[21:08] <LordOfTime> failure to comply is </doom>
[21:08] <Hirsch> Gosy: i had a virus in linux
[21:09] <Gosy> What sort of a virus Hirsch
[21:09] <wxl> party pooper? well if you want, i'll let you believe that you're invincible :)
[21:09] <Hirsch> well i think it was injected by an exploit
[21:09] <Gosy> wxl:  whats the best way to protect myself against that sort of malwares then
[21:09] <Hirsch> metasploit stuff
[21:09] <wxl> i like clam
[21:09] <Hirsch> Gosy: clamAV
[21:09] <Gosy> via Software Center?
[21:10] <Hirsch> Gosy: wait
[21:10] <Unit193> !antivirus
[21:10] <wxl> honestly i don't knwo if it's there
[21:10] <wxl> i don't use software center
[21:10] <wxl> Unit193: :/
[21:10] <wxl> poor advice, at minimum
[21:10] <Hirsch> apt-get install %programmname%
[21:10] <Unit193> Nor do I, but that page has some antivirus programs listed.
[21:10] <Hirsch> sudo apt-get instapp clam
[21:10] <Hirsch> right?
[21:10] <Hirsch> or klam?
[21:11] <Hirsch> kdeclam^^
[21:11] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install clamav
[21:12] <Hirsch> Gosy: type this in the terminal
[21:12] <Gosy> thanks guys
[21:24] <bioterror> ClamAV is not that great
[21:24] <bioterror> tried it couple of times at work environment
[21:24] <bioterror> mostly just waste of time
[21:24] <wxl> i've used it several times for saving otherwise dead windows machines
[21:24] <Hirsch> mh
[21:24] <Hirsch> clamav isnt as good as avira antivir
[21:27] <wxl> i thought trk used clam
[21:29] <bioterror> http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?content=2.1_VIRUSSCAN&front_id=12&lang=en&locale=en
[22:02] <Gosy> ah by the way
[22:02] <Gosy> about samba
[22:02] <Gosy> how do i share my WINDOWS folder on my lubuntu pc?
[22:02] <Gosy> i mean, how do i view my shared folder that i've shared via windows based os on my lubuntu laptop
[22:09] <wxl> Gosy: not a samba question, unless it's on a different computer
[22:11] <Gosy> it's on my media server pc wxl
[22:12] <Gosy> wxl : i can't download clamav due to it says "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:12] <wxl> Gosy: http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?content=2.1_VIRUSSCAN&front_id=12&lang=en&locale=en
[22:12] <wxl> oops
[22:12] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1539998 i meant
[22:13] <wxl> and regarding the dpkg lock you probably have software center or synaptics open. close it and try again
[22:14] <Gosy> allright
[22:14] <Gosy> Thanks wxl ! What a small issue haha
[22:27] <Gosy> wxl: that last link guide was hard lol
[22:28] <wxl> samba ain't easy per se
[22:48] <Gosy> isn't open-ssh available for lubuntu lol
[22:51] <wxl> sure 'tis
[22:52] <wxl> client you mean Gosy ?
[22:52] <wxl> oh doesn't matter you can get both by sudo apt-get install ssh
[22:54] <Gosy> meant like server for the lubuntu
[22:54] <wxl> you get both with that metapackage
[22:54] <Gosy> ah sweet
[22:55] <Gosy> need to buy an external usb-fan for my notebook :\ , been tinkerin since i've asked for help and i just felt the heat where it was, almost burning temperature
[22:55] <wxl> all the better to cook eggs with, my dear
[22:55] <Gosy> :o


[01:15] <jelmer> vila: it doesn't really matter what bzr-svn is compatible with, but what subvertpy is compatible with
[01:16] <jelmer> 1.4 is almost certainly too old though
[03:16] <_kbulgrien> hmm... bzr+ssh doesn't load user environment on far end?  I get prompt for password then get `bash: bzr: command not found
[03:16] <_kbulgrien> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.`
[03:21] <_kbulgrien> Hmm... BZR_REMOTE_PATH...
[03:36] <_kbulgrien> ok, that helps, but doesn't get by needing PYTHONPATH set to point to where bzrlib is on the remote.
[03:42] <_kbulgrien> I had to load bzr and bzrlib in my home directory on a web host. Now I can't seem to get bzr+ssh to work there because the remote bzr can't find its bzrlib because PYTHONPATH in .bash_profile on the remote isn't loaded.  Is there a way to work around this other than, for example, putting the repo in an ftp space and avoiding the smart server?
[03:59] <_kbulgrien> sftp:// works.
[03:59] <_kbulgrien> ls
[09:29] <vila> jelmer: right, so next question is: if SamB_MacG5 can find a subvertpy version old enough to support svn 1.4, will bzr-svn.trunk be still compatible ?
[09:32] <vila> _kbulgrien, too bad you left. The trick to address your issues is to use a local wrapper so you can set anything you want.
[09:36] <vila> _kbulgrien: After that bzr_remote_path in locations.conf (so you can set it differently for different hosts) and you're done
[09:38] <vila> _kbulgrien: the wrapper I use is: '#!/bin/sh \n python /path/to/bzr $*'
[09:39] <vila> _kbulgrien: In locations.conf I have: '[bzr+ssh://myhost.local] \n bzr_remote_path = /path/on.myhost.local/to/wrapper
[10:12] <fullermd> Or fix his shell config.
[10:15] <fullermd> vila: and you want "$@" not $*
[10:16] <fullermd> (well, and 'exec' for cleanliness, but...)
[12:32] <vila> fullermd: ha, thanks for the tips. (shell is one of those languages I never took the time to master (I know make even better than shell...)).
[12:33] <vila> fullermd: so, even reading the doc didn't give me the feeling that one is better than the other in practice. Any caveat to be aware of ? "$@" is always safer than "$*" ?
[12:41] <fullermd> $@ keeps the borders between the arguments.  $* resplits.
[12:43] <fullermd> Rather "$@" does.  Both unquoted end up resplitting, but * quoted is a single.
[12:45] <fullermd> vila: e.g.: http://pastebin.com/42tNmcBi
[12:46] <fullermd> Upshot being that the $* will fail to DTRT any time there are single args with spaces in them.  Filenames, paths, a `-m "log message"`, etc.
[12:54] <vila> fullermd: right, so to be on the safe side, the rule is to always use "$@" then right ?
[12:54] <vila> argh, mgz effect, sentence too long with the same word at the beginning and the end ;)
[12:55] <fullermd> If the goal is "pass args through as if we were aliasing to this other command", yeah.
[12:56] <vila> yup, which is the case I care the most about
[12:57] <vila> I think I always missed to read the right part in bash help as $@ == make target
[12:58] <vila> in my mind and I just couldn't use that in shell
[12:58] <fullermd> Let's not go there.    Hidden inside the monster of make, there's a language that's small, beautiful, and completely incompetent.
[13:02] <vila> the fact that it allowed creating such awful results should be used against it
[13:02] <fullermd> ... as opposed to the whole, which is large, terrifying, and still pretty incompetent...
[13:02] <vila> nah, there are some drawbacks (like in any other) but there are also sane ways to use it right
[13:03] <vila> but I reckon I rarely saw clean and light makefiles :-/
[13:03] <vila> err, not reckon,
[13:03] <vila> recognize ? confess ? concede ? yeah, probably concede
[13:03] <fullermd> Spend some time in the bowels of the ports system sometime; that'll teach you how many clean light makefiles there are out there   ;p
[13:04] <fullermd> 'reckon' would work too.  Especially down here.
[13:04] <vila> exactly my point then
[13:04] <vila> for example, how many makefiles truly support -j ?
[13:05] <fullermd> All of the ones I write, and most of the ones I deal with  ;p
[13:05] <vila> oh, that wasn't ironic ?
[13:06] <fullermd> Life is too short to wait for serial compiles...
[13:06] <vila> You really mean the ports makefiles are correct ? Worth having a look one day then. But you're not talking about the makefiles provided by the packages then right ?
[13:06] <vila> (Which are the ones I have the most exposure too)
[13:07] <fullermd> Well, the compilation is [almost] never part of ports itself; that would come from the upstreams.  And I know a fair number of those are broken stupidity (even before we consider they came from automake).  But I don't so much deal with those, as just tolerate them temporarily untarred on my system during the build.
[13:09] <vila> (yeah, let's exclude automake, that's clearly outside of this discussion ;)
[13:10] <vila> ok, so we seem to agree now that the context is a bit clearer ;)
[13:10] <fullermd> But ports itself is an excellent object lesson in the terrors and horrors that away in an almost-competent language.  By the time you realize how wrong a choice it is, it's far too late to change and you have to bull ahead anyway.
[13:10] <fullermd> s/that away/that await/
[13:11] <vila> ha, 'far too late to change'... the weight of compatibility... 'be ready to throw it, you will' or whatever he said ;)
[13:17] <fullermd> In practice, anything nontrivial in "make" winds up really just being a framework for calling a giant pile of unrelated obfuscated inline sh(1), with demonic contortions to get the data from A to B.
[13:17] <vila> right, don't do that in make then is my attempt to answer
[13:17] <fullermd> Which is why doing anything in ports involves calling fork() about a thousand times.
[13:17] <fullermd> Right.  But *way* too late for that  ;p
[13:18] <vila> I mean, make manages dependencies, it has limited support for complex actions
[13:18] <vila> indeed
[13:18] <vila> or not
[13:18] <vila> that's the point, it's an organizational choice not something the tool is really blamable for
[13:19] <vila> (and I'm not saying I have the magic bullet either...)
[13:19] <fullermd> Yeah, but the tool being almost-competent ensures that it will continue to be chosen and then the organization is left to force the last 10% by hook or crook.
[13:19] <fullermd> The "solution" is to have tools that are fully competent and tools that are so weak as to be almost worthless.    No software problem is so intractable it can't be solved by a good supernova.
[13:21] <vila> yeah, it's a well known fact that things are always simpler when you cool down a bit
[13:22] <vila> so when you coll down a lot, they have to be even simpler
[13:22] <vila> cool
[13:22] <vila> spurious tyop, joke alert
[13:22] <fullermd> It don't get much cooler than 2.725 Kelvin   ;p
[13:23] <vila> hehe
[13:25] <fullermd> Some day I'll write up and submit a patch to make(1) to allow it to read email.  Just to see if I can get it accepted.
[13:26] <vila> hehe, BCc me ;)
 _kbulgrien, too bad you left. The trick to address your issues is to use a local wrapper so you can set anything you want.
 _kbulgrien: After that bzr_remote_path in locations.conf (so you can set it differently for different hosts) and you're done
 _kbulgrien: the wrapper I use is: '#!/bin/sh \n exec python /path/to/bzr "$@"'
 _kbulgrien: In locations.conf I have: '[bzr+ssh://myhost.local] \n bzr_remote_path = /path/on.myhost.local/to/wrapper
[14:42] <_kbulgrien> Oh, ok... that makes sense... almost feels like a doh moment...
[14:43] <_kbulgrien> I did figure out the locations.conf part.
[15:01] <_kbulgrien> hmm.  I'll have to dink with it. My first few attempts to add PYTHONPATH aren't working, but then I've not used fancy hashbangs like that before.
[15:06] <_kbulgrien> doh.
[15:09] <_kbulgrien> I read \n as literal but then with a little grey matter applied... that didn't make sense.
[15:10] <_kbulgrien> I got it working.  Thanks vila
[15:14] <vila> _kbulgrien: PYTHONPATH shouldn't be needed, the bzr script arranges to call its associated bzrlib
[15:31] <_kbulgrien> it doesn't actually... PYTHONPATH is required in this situation as bzr barfs up with bzrlib not found without it ( http://pastebin.com/pYrVQNjw )
[15:32] <_kbulgrien> Adding "export PYTHONPATH=${PYTHONPATH}:${HOME}/lib64/python" to the wrapper fixes that error.
[15:39] <vila> hmm, weird, I haven't needed that but then the various .rc involved when you connect this way and that left me... discouraged
[15:40] <_kbulgrien> of course the webhost only has 2.3.4 because of the old version of python, so maybe this was improved in a later version?
[15:41] <_kbulgrien> I had to manually install bzr in my home directory since it was not pre-installed.
[15:48] <vila> urgh, stuck with python 2.4 ?
[15:56] <SamB_MacG5> vila: oh, I've got an old enough version of subvertpy
[15:57] <SamB_MacG5> 6.533  bzr-svn: using Subversion 1.4.4 (), subvertpy 0.8.1
[15:58] <vila> SamB_MacG5: with bzr-svn trunk ?
[15:58] <SamB_MacG5> vila: no, doesn't work with trunk
[15:58] <vila> SamB_MacG5: which version then ?
[15:59] <SamB_MacG5> 1.1.0, but the test code is broken ...
[15:59] <vila> ha too bad :-/
[15:59] <SamB_MacG5> maybe I should try and fix subvertpy
[16:00] <vila> SamB_MacG5: check with jelmer for details there, I'm not sure the tests have been thoroughly and regularly run on osx
[16:01] <SamB_MacG5> vila: I meant *besides* the breakage due to missed URL escaping wrt TMPDIR
[16:01] <vila> but there ought to be a combination of bzr-svn/subertpy that works for your case (config.py in the installers may be a good start too (sorry I didn't mention that earlier))
[16:01] <vila> ^_o
[16:02] <vila> TMPDIR URL escaping ?
[16:02] <SamB_MacG5> iMac:pyprof2calltree user$ printenv TMPDIR
[16:02] <SamB_MacG5> /var/folders/4b/4b+Qm+OQFj8f23emq17tBU+++TM/-Tmp-/
[16:03] <SamB_MacG5> I get a bunch of "tests tried to escape" complaints
[16:03] <vila> ha crap
[16:03] <SamB_MacG5> due to the plus signs
[16:04] <vila> I did a fix for that in bzrlib involving using realpath or something
[16:04] <vila> I'm not sure it's caused by the plus signs, I'd rather bet on some symlink being resolved or not when needed
[16:05] <vila> It took quite a long time and several shots to get them all, not sure all of them are in 2.3
[16:05] <vila> grepping for osx in bzrlib/tests should get you there
[16:06]  * SamB_MacG5 checks for sure
[16:07] <SamB_MacG5> https://gist.github.com/a4eff1160a82eb92602d
[16:07]  * SamB_MacG5 blames his IRC client this time
[16:09]  * SamB_MacG5 wonders how his IRC client knew how to authenticate itself as him with github, anyway
[16:10] <SamB_MacG5> vila: okay, it's also possible that the URL got fully escaped, but was then unescaped before being checked against the list ...
[16:11] <vila> I don't think so, I'm pretty sure the isolation stuff is encoding neutralassume it receives the urls in the right encoding
[16:11] <vila> I don't think so, I'm pretty sure the isolation stuff is encoding neutral
[16:11] <vila> gree
[16:11] <vila> grrrrrRR
[16:12] <vila> there may a way to temporarily disable the isolation check too
[16:13] <vila> *may be
[16:13] <SamB_MacG5> well, it's easier to just add "TMPDIR=/tmp" at the beginning of the commandline
[16:14] <vila> oh yeah, far easier ! :)
[16:15] <vila> perfect work-around, you can pretty safely ignore the isolation errors, the check is here to guarantee we don't introduce new leaks
[16:15] <vila> but all existing tests have passed that check countless times now
[16:15] <SamB_MacG5> actually, there seems to be more code that doesn't quite work ...
[16:15] <SamB_MacG5> outside the test harness
[16:15] <vila> ha, less good, you really need jelmer there then
[16:16] <SamB_MacG5> so obviously fixing up subvertpy is better ...
[16:16] <vila> or search launchpad for later fixes
[16:16] <vila> probably
[16:17] <vila> SamB_MacG5: did you try a more recent python version by the way ? (just curious)
[16:17] <SamB_MacG5> oh, no, not yet ...
[16:17] <vila> ok, let me know about the end result if/when you do
[16:17] <SamB_MacG5> but that probably wouldn't help a whole lot with bzr-svn?
[16:18] <vila> I can't answer that, sorry
[16:19] <vila> in theory, it could be better as well as worse, so the theory isn't really helpful there, you need the expert's specific knowledge ;)
[16:19] <SamB_MacG5> well, subvertpy trunk will still need fixing to make it build with SVN 1.4...
[16:20] <vila> SamB_MacG5: and you really need bzr-svn *there* ? (As opposed to another host where you could use recent stuff and publish with bzr+ssh)
[16:21] <SamB_MacG5> oh, and about config.py, I know it's supposed to have all the right versions listed, but it had issues even *before* I merged from lp:bzr-mac-installlers
[16:22] <SamB_MacG5> I'm still trying to sort out the right versions of everything to make things mostly work
[16:22] <vila> eerk, don't ever merge from lp:b-m-i, you should only work on top of lp:b-m-i/2.3
[16:22] <SamB_MacG5> it had some nice-looking infrastructure improvements
[16:23] <vila> hmm
[16:23] <vila> there are two things here
[16:23] <vila> one is config.py, use only the lp:/2.3,
[16:24] <vila> the other is everything else probably which should be safe to use but has never been tried so may have introduced regressions ?
[16:24] <vila> but config.py, wow, be extra conservative there or you'll run into an endless maze of compat issues
[16:25] <SamB_MacG5> it's kind of annoying that launchpad download URLs include the series ...
[16:25] <vila> why ?
[16:27] <SamB_MacG5> then it would be simple to build the URL from a template and the version number
[16:27] <SamB_MacG5> I mean, if they didn't
[16:28] <SamB_MacG5> anyway ... yeah, I knew I would have to revert a lot of the version numbers in config.py when I did the merge
[16:28] <vila> err, you mean 'bzr lp:<project. -rtag:<version>' vs 'lp:<project>/<series>' ?
[16:28] <SamB_MacG5> vila: no, I meant the tarball URLs
[16:29] <vila> Well, I thought config,py used a format and some params and build the URL from that no ?
[16:30] <SamB_MacG5> it seems to just run % on all of the strings with the dict as right-hand argument
[16:30] <vila> the series is often part of the version
[16:31] <SamB_MacG5> yes, but sometimes the series has varying length ...
[16:31] <vila> so if you have 'series' and 'version' as parameters or 'minor_version' stuff like that
[16:31] <SamB_MacG5> well, I suppose that could be done, yes
[16:32] <SamB_MacG5> though some of these projects are actually rather irregular in their series usage
[16:32] <SamB_MacG5> so you basically have to just look up the URL anyway...
[16:32]  * SamB_MacG5 thinks he's thinking of bzrtools
[16:32] <vila> yeah, so tweaking config.py at release time was generally light enough to never itch enough ;)
[16:33] <SamB_MacG5> anyhow, yeah, I know about config.py and am, in fact, trying to prepare it for a release ;-)
[16:35]  * SamB_MacG5 wonders how to disable lazy imports
[16:35] <vila> yeah, so the rules when doing releases (up to you to follow them or not) was to push for plugins trunks for beta releases, freeze at 2.x.0 time, update only to dedicated series for plugins providing them otherwise stay frozen
[16:37] <vila> which is another way to say: if you want to do a 2.3.n+1 release, stick with whatever was in 2.3.n *unless* plugins like qbzr released 2.3 targeted point releases
[16:37] <vila> looking at the history of config.py should give you the most precise view of it, including divergences from these rules ;)