[06:12] <cjwatson> evand: uploaded base-installer, with just a couple of really minor tweaks (s/Bzr-Svn/Vcs-Bzr/ and s/ubuntu-archive-keyring-udeb/ubuntu-keyring-udeb/); looks like you got all the hard stuff right though
[10:11] <debe> hi
[10:11] <cjwatson> hello
[12:34] <thom> hrm, does partman-auto support mountoptions{ }? I assume so, but I'm lost in a maze of twisty directories
[12:34] <thom> :)
[14:06] <evand> ah, thanks
[14:31] <cjwatson> evand: I'm dropping the bug references from the top entry in the partman-crypto changelog; I think it's generally best to leave out the bug numbers there since they can result in duplicate bug closures
[14:32] <evand> ah, I had thought it knew to skip those.  I'll make a note of that for the future.
[14:33] <cjwatson> I think it will normally skip them but if the bug was reopened due to not having really been fixed then this could lead to it accidentally being closed again
[14:34] <evand> ah, good point
[14:35] <cjwatson> uploaded, pushing branch to usual place
[14:36] <evand> fantastic, thanks
[14:36] <cjwatson> I think I'm up to date on your sponsorships now, let me know if not
[14:36] <evand> you are
[14:37] <cjwatson> good stuff
[16:31] <evand> cjwatson: worth it to update ubiquity to hardy components, or should it block on the new apt-setup?
[16:33] <cjwatson> I'd say do it now, it can be reuploaded later
[16:34] <evand> ok
[16:38] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2363 ubiquity/d-i/sources.list: gutsy->hardy
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2364 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control): (log message trimmed)
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  1.85ubuntu2, choose-mirror 2.19ubuntu1, clock-setup 0.92ubuntu1,
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  console-setup 1.19ubuntu1, debian-installer-utils 1.49ubuntu1, grub-
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  installer 1.27ubuntu1, hw-detect 1.58ubuntu1, kboot-installer
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  0.0.1ubuntu6, localechooser 1.42ubuntu1, partconf 1.24, partman-auto
[16:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  70ubuntu1, partman-base 111ubuntu1, partman-basicfilesystems
[16:53] <evand> and here I was hoping to get CIA-4 kicked for excess flood.  It seems he's smarter than that.
[16:55] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2365 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[17:09] <cjwatson> apparently old ubiquity actually installs fine (#ubuntu-devel)
[17:09] <cjwatson> wasn't expecting that
[17:10] <evand> yeah, it did for me as well
[17:10] <evand> though I didn't check the sources.list
[17:10] <evand> as I was just doing it to make sure it didn't explode when I updated the d-i components
[17:10] <evand> erm, to make sure it worked before I did that step, that is
[17:20] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2366 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.7.0
[17:22] <evand> cjwatson: Whenever you have a moment, please sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/ubiquity_1.7.0.dsc
[17:33] <thom> bah, guess partman-auto doesn't cope with mountoptions :(
[17:34] <cjwatson> thom: it does, the syntax is different though
[17:34] <cjwatson> I think you have to do mountoptions/noatime{ }
[17:34] <cjwatson> etc.
[17:35] <cjwatson> hmm, no, not quite that
[17:35] <cjwatson> options/noatime{ } I think
[17:36] <cjwatson> ubiquity uploaded
[17:36] <evand> thanks
[17:36] <cjwatson> thom: sorry, I'd missed your question earlier
[17:36] <thom> cjwatson: no worries
[17:36] <thom> thanks
[17:37] <thom> that's remarkably odd syntax :)
[17:38] <cjwatson> recipe syntax exactly mirrors the structure of /var/lib/partman/devices/
[17:38] <cjwatson> hence the oddness
[17:38] <thom> ahah!
[17:38] <thom> thanks
[18:02] <evand> uh oh
[18:02] <cjwatson> ?
[18:03] <evand>  /usr/lib/ubiquity/clock-setup/clock-setup: 35: tzsetup not found
[18:04] <cjwatson> whoops
[18:08] <cjwatson> yeah, tzsetup no longer provides a menu item and clock-setup calls it instead
[18:09] <evand> hrm
[18:09] <cjwatson> that's, err, sort of tricky
[18:09] <cjwatson> maybe for now sed clock-setup.postinst to comment out the tzsetup call and figure it out later?
[18:10] <evand> yeah, I noticed
[18:10] <evand> we have scripts/tzsetup
[18:10] <cjwatson> I think it needs some thought about what order to do everything in, since we call tzsetup way earlier
[18:10] <cjwatson> right
[18:10] <cjwatson> if it's calling tzsetup at all, it should be sedded to call that
[18:10] <cjwatson> you could try making it call that and see if it works?
[18:10] <evand> will do
[18:10] <cjwatson> so s,tzsetup,/usr/share/ubiquity/tzsetup,
[18:11] <cjwatson> probably won't work well though, since that resets the timezone
[18:11] <cjwatson> so doing that from clock-setup will lose the timezone configured earlier, unless you stash it in the component and shove it back in
[18:12] <cjwatson> might work better without calling tzsetup from clock-setup at all
[18:13] <evand> ok, I'll try both
[18:13] <evand> well
[18:13] <evand> I'll do it without calling tzsetup first
[18:52] <evand> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2362/ - look ok to you?
[18:52] <evand> I've already tested it.
[18:52] <cjwatson> looks correct for what it does, if it works, go for it
[18:52] <evand> fantastic
[18:54] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2367 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.7.1
[18:58] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2368 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules):
[18:58] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * clock-setup in d-i now explicitly calls tzsetup, but we handle tzsetup
[18:58] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  earlier on, so remove the tzsetup call in clock-setup.
[19:08] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r2369 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.7.1
[19:11] <evand> cjwatson: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/ubiquity_1.7.1.dsc whenever you have a moment.
[19:16] <cjwatson> uploading, thanks
[19:16] <evand> thank you


[02:30] <ComputerChic> Hi all :)
[02:31] <mhall119> hiya
[02:35] <ComputerChic> mhall119: How are you?
[03:12] <mhall119> good
[03:12] <mhall119> you?
[04:35] <ComputerChic> mhall119: good
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:02] <ComputerChic> dholbach:  Good Morning.
[07:32] <YoBoY> god morning
[07:33] <YoBoY> good
[13:02] <Ddorda> ה
[13:02] <Ddorda> אופס
[13:02] <Ddorda> oops
[13:02] <Ddorda> sorry
[13:06] <mhall119> cjohnston: reviewed and merged your branches
[13:10] <daker> mhall119, and mine ?
[13:30] <mhall119> daker: loco-directory branches?
[13:30] <daker> yes
[13:30] <mhall119> oh, didn't see yours down there at the bottom
[13:30] <mhall119> let me take a look
[13:30] <daker> sure tyt
[13:32] <mhall119> hmmm, it doesn't seem to let me change language
[13:32] <mhall119> the menu stays on "Arabic" but the language is still English
[13:32] <mhall119> and English (United States) isn't an option
[13:32] <mhall119> as much as the brits might wish that were true
[13:32] <daker> Oh!!
[13:43] <czajkowski> lol
[13:43] <czajkowski> :D
[13:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: not our fault ye spell tings the wrong way
[13:44] <czajkowski> *things
[13:44] <mhall119> lol, oh the irony
[13:45] <mhall119> and 'our'? My you assimilated fast
[14:01] <czajkowski> mhall119: I was already half english my dear :)
[14:05] <Ronnie> what are the steps to runs the LD branche local. i created a patch, but need to test is
[14:05] <Ronnie> it*
[14:08] <daker> Ronnie, there is an INSTALL file there
[14:08] <daker> just to
[14:09] <daker> do*
[14:09] <daker> bzr branch lp:loco-directory
[14:09] <daker> cd loco-directory
[14:09] <Ronnie> daker: thx. i already were a folder too deep
[14:10] <Ronnie> its running now
[14:10] <daker> ok
[14:15] <Ronnie> how long does the "./manage.py update" command take?
[14:18] <daker> Ronnie, It depends on your internet connection
[14:18] <daker> ~5 -> 10min
[14:19] <Ronnie> daker, not much traffic here. (ah just finished)
[14:20] <Ronnie> hmm, looks like it did not update the events
[14:22] <daker> Ronnie, no it just fetch languages/countries/lp teams/lp team admins
[14:22] <Ronnie> oh, i need to test events (generate ical)
[14:23]  * Ronnie is fixing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/671278
[14:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 671278 in loco-directory "Unable to subscribe to RSS or iCal feed from Google Calendar (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:23] <daker> gimme a sec
[14:24] <Ronnie> ill give you 3 if you want :P
[14:24] <daker> ok
[14:25] <daker> the first thing you need to do is to add you lp ID to local_settings.py
[14:25] <daker> added it to DEBUG_USERS
[14:27] <Ronnie> ok
[14:28] <daker> now you have to login then you will have a full access
[14:29] <Ronnie> added: DEBUG_USERS = ('ronnie.vd.c') in local_settings.py  - logged in, but still cant see the events
[14:31] <daker> Ronnie, go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/teams/
[14:31] <daker> then choose a team
[14:31] <daker> Ronnie, events needs to be added
[15:12] <Ronnie> daker, thx :D it worked, and the branche has now be proposed for mergin
[15:13] <daker> ok :)
[18:01] <cjohnston> mhall119: is Bug #691202 possilbe
[18:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 691202 in loco-directory "venues of the country of the current selected team should be first (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691202
[18:16] <Ronnie> cjohnston: mhall119, i fixed bug #961202. branche is now propesed for merging
[18:16] <ubot4> Ronnie: Bug 961202 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/961202 is private
[18:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'd say it is
[18:19] <cjohnston> whatever that bug is, its private
[18:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: I have no idea
[18:19] <mhall119> I think he transposed the 6 and 9
[18:19] <cjohnston> bug #691202
[18:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 691202 in loco-directory "venues of the country of the current selected team should be first (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691202
[18:19] <Ronnie> i think i did. better use copy/paste next time
[18:20] <cjohnston> Ronnie: it cant be fix committed until the fix is committed.. just because you made the patch, it isnt comitted
[18:20] <Ronnie> oh, what should i tag it than?
[18:20] <mhall119> in progress
[18:20] <cjohnston> in progress
[18:20] <Ronnie> ok, done
[20:26] <Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119: somebody already working on: bug #627492
[20:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 627492 in loco-directory "Limit selection of users to team members (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 32)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627492
[20:27] <cjohnston> its all yours Ronnie
[20:27] <Ronnie> oke :D
[20:28] <Ronnie> cjohnston: question regarding this bug...
[20:28] <cjohnston> ok
[20:28] <Ronnie> is it better to put the 'teams members on top of the list' or 'only the team members'
[20:28] <cjohnston> only team members
[20:29] <cjohnston> there is no reason someone who isnt a team member should be a contact/admin/chair
[20:29] <cjohnston> that i know of
[20:29] <cjohnston> unless mhall119 or the loco-council thinks differently
[20:34] <Ronnie> cjohnston: isn't there already a relationshipt between teams and 'members' ? i cant find it in the models. Should i fetch them myself from launchpad?
[20:35] <cjohnston> i would think there would have to be based upon the fact that you can only add/modify things for teams you are a member of
[20:36] <Ronnie> so far i can only find 'owner, admin and contact'
[20:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: ?
[20:40] <cjohnston> theres an is_team_member or something
[20:43] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i found: launchpad.is_team_member(request.user, team_object)
[20:43] <Ronnie> it does an LP API request
[20:43] <cjohnston> starting at line 103 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loco-directory-dev/loco-directory/0.2/annotate/head%3A/loco_directory/events/views.py
[20:43] <cjohnston> Ronnie: ^
[20:45] <cjohnston> ya
[20:51] <mhall119> Ronnie: every LP team has a Django group, if the Django user is in the Django group by the same name, they're a member of that team
[20:51] <mhall119> cjohnston: there may be occasions where non-members are the current admin or contact for a loco
[20:52] <mhall119> and I can definitely see where a non-member might be a meeting chair
[20:52] <Ronnie> mhall119: i just saw. Im now testing the code (UserProfile.objects.filter(user__groups__name__exact__self.team.lp_name)
[20:53] <mhall119> should be an = in there somewhere
[20:53] <Ronnie> mhall119:  oops, typed wrong in chat
[20:53] <mhall119> ok
[20:53] <Ronnie> the = is in my code tough
[20:53] <mhall119> :)
[20:54] <Ronnie> mhall119: suggestion. make 2 optgroups.  team members and others ?
[21:32] <Ronnie> mhall119: is it true that not every User object has an profile?
[21:33] <Ronnie> i think my code is right (http://pastebin.com/LZjvkGU3) but it returns an empty list
[21:33] <Ronnie> and now gives an error on .get_profile()
[22:27] <Ronnie> mhall119, cjohnston: does every User have a UserProfile ? Somehow my code does not work
[22:28] <Ronnie> current branche can be found here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/627492
[22:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:33] <czajkowski> cjohnston: sup
[22:50] <Ronnie> mhall119, cjohnston: merge proposal done (needed to create manually a UserProfile for my account tough)
[23:17] <mhall119> Ronnie: every user created from LP should have a profile
[23:18] <Ronnie> mhall119: strange, my local account didn't (could it be because the changed-lp-name bug?)
[23:18]  * Ronnie is currently trying to solve: #570613
[23:18] <Ronnie> bug #570613
[23:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 570613 in loco-directory "Show map of events (affects: 9) (heat: 25)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570613
[23:20] <mhall119> yeah, we've had that one for a while now
[23:21] <mhall119> waiting on someone familiar enough with google maps
[23:22] <Ronnie> mhall119:  http://www.allesoverlinux.nl/ubuntu/kaart/ (some project for ubuntu-nl with google maps v3)
[23:23] <Ronnie> i think i can solve this problem too
[23:23] <mhall119> nice
[23:47] <Ronnie> mhall119: any idea what information should be in the "notification" when a user clicks on an event on the map?


[08:18] <uwe_> hello, what is ment by tablet in the entry 25 here : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gnome-volume-manager/+pots/gnome-volume-manager
[03:53] (hugo|uwe/#launchpad) well, im translating at launchpad.net! ... well, where do you suggest i can find help? thank you..
[03:53] (mdke/#launchpad) hugo|uwe, what are you translating, and in what language?
[03:54] <ploum> Hello
[03:54] <ploum> I just tought a bit about the karma system..
[03:56] <ploum> If I understand well, if you make a big burst of activity today, you will have a burst in your karma. But in one year, you will have an anti-burst due to the decrease
[03:56] <ploum> Would it make sense to make the decrease related only to the total of your current karma, not related on when you've got this karma..
[03:57] <ploum> A big karma would have a quickier decrease rate than a slow one
[03:57] <ploum> (something like an anti-exponential rate depending on your karma.)
[03:58] <mdke> ploum, i dunno if the LP people are around much during the weekend. Best to try the mailing list
[03:58] <mdke> you never know though
[03:58] <ploum> mdke, I'm thinking out loud ;-)
[03:58] <mdke> ok
[03:59] <ploum> But I will try the list anyway :-)  Launchpad or sounders ?
[03:59] <mdke> launchpad-users
[04:00] <hugo|uwe> mdke, i think that term was in gnome-desktop package, translating to arabic
[04:00] <mdke> hugo|uwe, you can try #l18n on irc.gnome.org
[04:01] <hugo|uwe> thanks mdke
[06:16] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix typo in nascentupload which caused arch independant uploads to fail (r3347: Daniel Silverstone)


[12:26] <cellofellow> I've nothing against gentoo, but why would it not have a problem like that?
[12:27] <grazie> different distros do things different.
[12:27] <clarklinux> grazie: thanks, i'll check it out...is it as low-spec friendly as xubuntu?
[12:28] <grazie> clarklinux: even lower spec
[12:28] <cellofellow> you can use any DE you like
[12:28] <clarklinux> grazie: oh wow
[12:28] <cellofellow> from EvilWM to KDE+Beryl
[12:28] <Jester45> cellofellow thats a big diffrence
[12:29] <grazie> i'd never install knoppix, but if I've got a hardware problem knoppix is my first choice
[12:29] <cellofellow> Portage is sort of slower than APT isn't it? It has to compile everything. Makes the apps run faster though.
[12:29] <Jester45> no and yes
[12:29] <Jester45> you can make it compile or you can get binaries
[12:30] <cellofellow> You can compile with APT too. So, is it just that Gentoo prefers source and Debian binaries?
[12:30] <grazie> portage is slower even without compiling, but it is much more powerful..it's gentoos best asset
[12:31] <grazie> also, there are no pre-compiled binaries for any arch other than x86 I believe
[12:32] <Jester45> anyone know a website that will let you build a custom computer? like select everything from a BIG list
[12:33] <grazie> clarklinux: but installing a complete gentoo system is quite a lot work and time
[12:35] <brohan> Hi, I've got a slight issue with my resolution: that it is like.. giant (it might be font size)
[12:36] <brohan> I set sub-pixel smoothing, and relogged in and then everything has since looked bigger
[12:38] <Jester45> brohan try changing the font size or if icons are large change the resoultion
[12:39] <brohan> Yeah, I've tried that
[12:39] <brohan> and it still is gigantic
[12:39] <brohan> Well, some of it is gigantic
[12:39] <brohan> Like, my conky is big
[12:40] <brohan> Jester45, I'm also running a laptop and the resolution has been fixed at 1280x800
[12:40] <cellofellow> is that what it says it is in Settings -> Display?
[12:41] <brohan> cellofellow, default
[12:42] <brohan> and if I take a screenshot with 'export' its 1280x800
[12:42] <brohan> I have a feeling this is an xfce-specific issue
[12:42] <Jester45> the laptop might only have that res?
[12:42] <brohan> Yeah, that's the res I want
[12:43] <brohan> It's an ultraportable, I wub its resolution
[12:43] <brohan> It's a font thing I'm pretty sure
[12:43] <brohan> I'm looking in ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb and picking nothing up
[12:44] <rici> this sounds like the inverse of the issue i just had, where everything suddenly got smaller
[12:44] <brohan> lol
[12:44] <rici> i fixed it by adding a dpi line in Xft.xrdb and a DisplaySize line in xorg.conf, if that's any help
[12:44] <brohan> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-more-on-fixing-fonts-problems.html yeah, I see this
[12:45] <brohan> brb
[12:46] <brohan> Yay, dpi change in ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb worked :)
[12:47] <grazie> clarklinux: before burning again you could try booting the live cd with 'live single' at the boot: prompt
[12:55] <rici> that link helped me fix firefox, too. thanks
[12:56] <rici> now i just have to figure out keymapping :(
[12:56] <cellofellow> brb
[12:56] <rici> specifically, i remapped alt-gr to the "windows" key, which is where alt-gr ought to be according to my pinky,
[12:57] <rici> and some applications stopped recognizing either key as alt-gr
[12:57] <rici> which is a pain because on a spanish keyboard, you need it a lot.
[12:58] <Jester45_> use xmodmap and xev
[12:58] <Jester45_> !xmodmap
[12:58] <ubotu> xmodmap: X input map modification. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 76 kB
[12:58] <Jester45_> !xev
[12:58] <ubotu> xev: X client - xev. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:59] <Jester45_> you open  a text editor and put  keycode  ### = whatyouwant
[12:59] <Jester45_> use google to get mroe help im a bit busy
[01:00] <rici> i did that, and it worked
[01:00] <rici> except that like i say some apps won't recognize the key afterwards
[01:01] <clarklinux> grazie: I'm back...what does live single do?
[01:01] <grazie> clarklinux: change the runlevel...you'll not start the X windows gui
[01:02] <grazie> clarklinux: might not bother looking for the swap
[01:02] <clarklinux> grazie: is there anyway I can wipe the HD clean? there's a half installed xubuntu on it, i think
[01:02] <clarklinux> from the alt install
[01:02] <grazie> once you've booted yes
[01:03] <clarklinux> grazie: could yo tell me how to do that? i think I'll be able to install it if I can wipe everything first
[01:04] <grazie> clarklinux: we've got to get you booted somehow...did you try 'live single'?
[01:05] <clarklinux> i'm reburning the live
[01:05] <clarklinux> it'll take a minute
[01:05] <grazie> clarklinux: why not do the minimal then? if you're burning anyway
[01:09] <clarklinux> grazie: i gotta go, but could you give me an idea of what to look for after live single?
[01:10] <clarklinux> grazie: there was a problem configuringthe network and I do not want to have to deal with that hahaha
[01:12] <grazie> clarklinux: you'll need to delete some partitions...I don't think I can give a single command to sort it
[01:12] <Jester45_> clarklinux do you have the ablity of wiping the drive
[01:12] <Jester45_> it would be easier to just reinstall with a alt or lice cd
[01:13] <grazie> clarklinux: if you've got an OS X install cd wipte the disk with that
[01:13] <clarklinux> jester: nope...andthe alt kept hhanging up
[01:13] <clarklinux> grazie: no osx disk
[01:28] <clarklinux> grazie: there's no live-single option
[01:28] <clarklinux> ther's a live-nosplash
[01:28] <clarklinux> and a check
[01:29] <grazie> clarklinux: no. just enter  'live single' it's not on the menu
[01:29] <clarklinux> okay
[01:29] <clarklinux> thank you..i'll be back a little later
[01:34] <Winball> :D
[01:35] <Jester45_> hi
[01:35] <Winball> :)
[01:36] <Jester45_> :0
[01:39] <clarklinux> grazie: live single did not go to a no-gui interface
[01:39] <clarklinux> it started loading with the little splash screen thing and did not finish (same error about swap
[01:39] <clarklinux> )*
[01:41] <grazie> clarklinux: did you try burning and booting the minimal cd?
[01:41] <clarklinux> grazie: yes but there was a problem with the network configuration
[01:41] <clarklinux> that did not allow it to work
[01:41] <grazie> clarklinux: ok. but it booted ok?
[01:41] <clarklinux> yes
[01:42] <grazie> clarklinux: well that doesn't have the swap problem then
[01:42] <clarklinux> should I try wiping the disk with that disk?
[01:43] <clarklinux> *the hard disk with that boot disk
[01:43] <grazie> clarklinux: you can get a primitive shell that you may be able to wipe the disk with...I don't know.
[01:43] <clarklinux> alright
[01:44] <clarklinux> i'll play around with it and see if i can find anything
[01:44] <clarklinux> i'll be back a little later
[01:44] <grazie> clarklinux: I'd use gentoo now myself...but that doesn't help you
[01:44] <grazie> clarklinux: I probably will not be around later
[01:53] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: do you know if it's possible to wipe a disk from the built-in shell (Ash)
[01:54] <grazie> no dd, no fdisk, etc
[02:00] <grazie> ah, dd is available
[03:11] <AaronMT> !fiesty
[03:11] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:20] <cellofellow> what's a good graphical utility for complicated ALSA settings?
[03:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How complicated?
[03:25] <cellofellow> choose soundcard mostly
[03:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That should be available in xfce4-mixer.
[03:28] <cellofellow> yeah, but my PCI soundcard I added isn't in the list. Just the onboard
[03:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is it otherwise detected?
[03:35] <cellofellow> in lspci
[03:36] <cellofellow> but not anywhere else
[04:51] <cellofellow> ok, something weird just happened to my computer. (this isn't my main computer, thank goodness.) GRUB is getting Error 17's, which I looked up and means bad filesystem type. in cfdisk, the type shows as Amoeba. It is really ext3. Can I use cfdisk to fix the partition table? (It got corrupted somehow.)
[04:52] <cellofellow> while keeping the data, of course
[04:54] <cellofellow> any help here guys?
[04:58] <maxamillion> cellofellow: have you booted a livecd to it?
[04:59] <maxamillion> err .. booted it to a livecd
[04:59] <maxamillion> cellofellow: preferably knoppix if you have it
[05:03] <cellofellow> maxamillion, yes
[05:03] <cellofellow> sorry, was searching for Windows NIC drivers.
[05:03] <cellofellow> DSL, so Mini-Knoppix :)
[05:03] <maxamillion> rgr
[05:03] <maxamillion> cellofellow: are you able to see the data using the live cd?
[05:04] <cellofellow> yes
[05:04] <cellofellow> I'm just worried using cfdisk will break even that
[05:04] <maxamillion> hmmm... honestly, i would try to backup the data and then change the filesystem type in cfdisk and see what happens
[05:05] <cellofellow> there isn't any real data, just a brand new (yesterday) Xubuntu installation.
[05:05] <cellofellow> 3.1 GB
[05:05] <maxamillion> oh ... uhmmm, it might be a bad hard drive (or failing hard drive)
[05:06] <maxamillion> www.ultimatebootcd.org <--- good utility for hard drive checking
[05:06] <cellofellow> it didn't do it all on its own. Something happened when I tried to boot a windows installtion on another hard drive
[05:08] <cellofellow> it's dot-com
[05:08] <maxamillion> ohhhh
[05:08] <maxamillion> yeah
[05:10] <cellofellow> I don't know how to select ext3 in cfdisk. :$
[05:11] <maxamillion> its like #42 i think
[05:11] <maxamillion> you have to hit pg-down to see it
[05:11] <maxamillion> its been a while since i used cfdisk
[05:13] <cellofellow> 85 Linux Extended?
[05:14] <maxamillion> uhmm.... i dunno
[05:14] <maxamillion> lemme check something
[05:14] <cellofellow> ok, thanks
[05:15] <cellofellow> ah! on DSL there is no udev, and therefore I can't tell which /dev nodes are real or not.
[05:16] <maxamillion> cellofellow: brilliant
[05:16] <cellofellow> brilliant panic or brilliant 85 is ext3?
[05:17] <maxamillion> brilliant that DSL has no udev
[05:17] <maxamillion> just find that interesting
[05:18] <cclampblue1> sup yall
[05:18] <cellofellow> you've been using linux long enough that udev is this cool new toy.
[05:18] <cellofellow> partition table problems
[05:20] <maxamillion> cellofellow: do you have a xubuntu live disk? ... this would be easier with gparted
[05:20] <maxamillion> cellofellow: but yes, 83 appears to be ext3
[05:20] <cellofellow> I have Ubuntu. I can install gparted, I'm not going to reboot now I'm backing up data from a messed-up Windows drive
[05:21] <maxamillion> cellofellow: rgr
[05:22] <maxamillion> no worries, but yeah ... i actually think 83 is just a "linux filesystem" and then from there you have to make the filesystem either ext2, ext3, reiser, etc... so i think gparted will end up being the easiest way because i think doing something like mkfs -t ext3 /some/drive would end up fragging the data
[05:23] <cclampblues> hey i have a question for you gurus: i added a network monitor to my panel and i dont know how to tell it wwhat device i am using. i dont even knoow where to find that informatiton. its a pcmcia wireless (generic-as-hell) card. i hammered it in and it works. other than that i know nothing. any suggenstions?
[05:23] <cellofellow> yeah
[05:23] <cellofellow> just type eth0 in the network monitor properties
[05:24] <maxamillion> cclampblues: you added the xfce network monitor panel?
[05:24] <cclampblues> yea. thanks. cellofellow i got it now.
[05:25] <cclampblues> yea max
[05:25] <cclampblues> is there some sort of monitor to show all machines connected to the netwrok
[05:25] <cclampblues> or program?
[05:26] <maxamillion> cclampblues: uhmmm... yeah, but that would be completely different ... check out nagios.org
[05:26] <cclampblues> i figured so... thanks.
[05:26] <maxamillion> cclampblues: its a very powerful program that is generally run on a server but i don't see why you can't run it on a desktop machine ... afterall, its linux :)
[05:28] <cellofellow> maxamillion, so, gparted can set the fs-type WITHOUT running mkfs?
[05:29] <cellofellow> I thought gparted always used mkfs.
[05:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you know what, now that you mention it .... i think it might
[05:29] <cellofellow> would fdisk be more straightforward in its fs-type names?
[05:31] <maxamillion> not quite sure to be honest ... never used it for more than viewing a partition table, i always used cfdisk in the command line and gparted for gui (once it came into existence)
[05:31] <cellofellow> ok, I'm taking the plunge and calling /dev/hda1 a type 85.
[05:32] <cellofellow> Cannot change FS Type to extended
[05:32] <cellofellow> it stayed Amoeba
[05:33] <cellofellow> going with 83. Seeing if that works. If it doesn't, setting it to 85 may work this time.
[05:34] <maxamillion> what's 85?
[05:34] <cellofellow> Linux Extended is 85. 83 is plain Linux
[05:34] <cellofellow> It did mount as 83 but to be safe I think I'll try 85.
[05:35] <maxamillion> yeah
[05:35] <maxamillion> i think extended should be ext3 because ext2 was the "original linux fs"
[05:36] <cclampblues> how do i create this file in this transparency setup:  http://blog.xfce.org/?p=77   ----i just make a text file right?
[05:36] <cellofellow> maxamillion, it still won't let me change to "extended"
[05:37] <cellofellow>  Cannot change FS Type to extended
[05:37] <maxamillion> :(
[05:39] <cellofellow> if grub will still boot... it should be fine
[05:40] <maxamillion> yeah
[05:41] <cellofellow> it wouldn't work cause it couldn't fine /boot/grub/menu.lst because that was in an FS that the partition table said was Amoeba but acted like ext, so it errored and died.
[05:42] <maxamillion> jeebus, that's no good
[05:50] <cellofellow> so, enough of my gloominess. anything good happening?
[05:51] <cclampblues> !filesystem
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filesystem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <cclampblues> great
[05:51] <cellofellow> !ext3
[05:51] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:52] <cclampblues> thx.
[05:52] <cellofellow> I guessed
[05:52] <maxamillion> :)
[05:52] <cclampblues> i wouldntthave guessed that one
[05:53] <maxamillion> cclampblues: but you used the bot ... that puts you a step ahead of most users who come through the channel
[05:53] <maxamillion> :)
[05:53] <cellofellow> :D
[05:54] <cclampblues> !anything
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <cclampblues> robots are funny.
[05:55] <maxamillion> yeah .... ubotu is "all knowing"
[05:55] <cclampblues> does it do tricks?
[05:56] <cellofellow> !anything
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <cellofellow> !botsnack
[05:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:56] <cellofellow> My two favorites.
[05:56] <maxamillion> oh yeah .. botsnack is a favorite :P)
[05:57] <cclampblues> no Fing way. thats great
[05:57] <cellofellow> they need a botslap too
[05:58] <cclampblues> i cant even navigate to this 'folder' ... http://blog.xfce.org/?p=77
[05:59] <maxamillion> cclampblues: that folder doesn't exist by default on xubuntu (i think it will in feisty because of the inclusion of 4.4-stable) so you have to make it
[06:00] <maxamillion> cclampblues: wait sorry
[06:00] <maxamillion> cclampblues: i read ti wrong ... the folder is there, but not the config files
[06:00] <maxamillion> file*
[06:00] <maxamillion> and the keyboard
[06:00] <cellofellow> cclampblues, you trying to use compositing (transparency) ??
[06:00] <cclampblues> yes
[06:01] <cellofellow> edit ~/.config/xfce4/mcs(something).xml and find the line with Compositing in it and change te value from 0 to 1.
[06:02] <cellofellow> wait
[06:03] <cellofellow> ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml
[06:03] <cclampblues> yes thats for the windows. the one on the website affects the panel
[06:03] <cclampblues> and i cant figure out how to edit it at all. it opens in firefox but i cant change anything. does it need to be opend in something else?
[06:04] <cellofellow> you can't edit files in firefox
[06:04] <cellofellow> try vim or mousepad or scite.
[06:04] <cclampblues> ok.
[06:05] <cclampblues> what does ~/ mean?
[06:05] <cellofellow> you're home directory
[06:05] <cellofellow>  /home/yourname
[06:06] <cellofellow> some scripts use the $HOME shell variable.
[06:06] <cclampblues> ok. gimmie a min. thanks. im a novice (obviously) . i appriciate your / this rooms help
[06:08] <cclampblues> i dont see a /.config folder at all
[06:09] <cellofellow> ~/.config
[06:09] <cellofellow> i got to go guys. thanks for the help
[06:28] <notMaxamillion> lol ... python fragged that laptop
[06:28] <notMaxamillion> brb
[06:29] <maxamillion> note to self ... when using older hardware issued to you from work: don't push its limits, it will lock up
[06:30] <maxamillion> what'd i miss?
[06:33] <rici> this maxamillion guy left and returned
[06:33] <maxamillion> yeah, i kicked him off and took his identity :)
[06:34] <rici> well, that's about it
[06:35] <maxamillion> cool
[06:35] <maxamillion> thanks for the update
[06:36] <rici> you wouldn't know of a vim syntax file for re2c, by any chance? I know it's seriously OT but we've established nothing is going on.
[06:38] <maxamillion> yeah, i wouldn't happen to know .... sorry :(
[06:40] <rici> no worries, i was just getting irritated for the millionth time about the lack.
[06:40] <rici> i should just write one, but vim syntax files are such a pita and c.vim is one of the worst.
[07:01] <kross> Hi guys, is this a good place to ask a question about xubuntu?
[07:41] <ghetek> how do i make a gui inputbox popup for my "sh" script?
[07:58] <kupo> hallo, I'm getting bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy when i run 'cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp' and restarting alsa-utils doesn't seem to fix it
[07:59] <kupo> can anyone tell me how to troubleshoot it ?
[08:40] <fxr> hi just a quickie, can someone recommend an application that i can edit an iso image with.. i.e add a folder to the disk image.. dont seem to be able to do it with K
[09:21] <kupo> egads I just needed to add xfce4-mixer to the panel and adjust the pcm output
[09:21] <kupo> that 'tarded
[11:04] <padrigal> Anyone know why apt-get segfaults and coredumps on a new install of xubuntu?
[11:21] <B|nTaRa> !games
[11:21] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:21] <B|nTaRa> !game
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <B|nTaRa> !chess
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <grazie_> padrigal: no, but does the machine work with another OS?
[11:26] <padrigal> No, not tried it with anything else yet.
[11:26] <padrigal> I can't think what apt would be doing that should cause a coredump...
[11:27] <padrigal> strace shows it failing just after a stat64 call, although the call completes OK.
[11:27] <grazie_> padrigal: have you run the memtest?
[11:27] <padrigal> You mean at the BIOS?
[11:28] <grazie_> the install cd has a memtest option
[11:28] <padrigal> Ah right, no, will try that now.
[11:29] <grazie_> its runs continously, but the first complete pass shouldn't take too long
[11:49] <padrigal> grazie_: Test seems OK so far.  I still want to get this project done :)
[01:25] <grazie> TheSheep_: I believe the live cd uses a swap partition if it finds one on booting. Do you know of any way to stop it from doing this?
[01:27] <TheSheep_> grazie: you can disable swap...
[01:27] <TheSheep_> swapoff
[01:28] <grazie> TheSheep_: with a boot parameter?
[01:28] <fxr> hi i have a bad problem.. i want to install xp then ubuntu on my new lappy.. tho.. i have floppy or working cd rom drive, and no usb drive... it boots xp atm, but i wanna reinstall... & repartion.. where should i go for help.. any suggesstions..?
[01:28] <fxr> *no floppy or cd drive
[01:29] <fxr> i have access to a network... how hard would it be to set up a PXE boot server?
[01:29] <grazie> TheSheep_: the problem was the live cd was attempting to use a bad swap partition and the boot was failing because of it
[01:30] <fxr> or am i would repartioning the drive & putting extracting iso images to a new partion work?
[01:31] <TheSheep_> grazie: I'm not sure, maybe there is a boot option for that :/
[01:31] <grazie> fxr: I set up netboot yesterday on x86 server for ppc machine...wasn't too hard
[01:31] <grazie> !install | fxr
[01:31] <ubotu> fxr: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[01:32] <hyper_ch> fxr: you have no working floppy or cd-drive?
[01:32] <fxr> nope.. damned ebay bargins.. : s\ hyper_ch
[01:33] <fxr> grazie: how does the PXE server serve installations.. can you serve an entire iso.. or what?
[01:33] <fxr> or netboot.. even
[01:33] <TheSheep_> fxr: you just serve something like a bootdisk
[01:34] <TheSheep_> actually a bootdisk image
[01:34] <hyper_ch> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[01:34] <hyper_ch> fxr: or do you have a 1gb usb-stick?
[01:35] <fxr> nope.. hyper_ch but i might just run out and get one if needed.. id rather not tho tbh
[01:35] <hyper_ch> fxr: you have a second computer?
[01:36] <fxr> yeah 2 hyper_ch all on a wireless network
[01:36] <hyper_ch> oh well, have a look at the Installation from windows link above
[01:37] <fxr> ok.. thanks guys i have a wee wonder round these links and see if i can come up with some kind of plan.. : )
[01:37] <grazie> fxr: before getting a usb stick, make sure the bios can boot from it.
[01:37] <hyper_ch> well, a usb-stick is not really necessary
[01:38] <hyper_ch> it should be working from within windows
[01:38] <fxr> yeah.. id rather do it as cheaply as possible tbh.. plus the shop is a 1hr walk away.. : )
[01:39] <hyper_ch> fxr: however there is one problem... if you mess up the installation from windows then you probably can't boot into windows either anymore
[01:42] <grazie> fxr: i think you'd be able to hook two machines together with a null modem cable so long as they both have nics
[01:43] <hyper_ch> actually the manual approach from installation from windows shouldn't mess up windows
[01:43] <hyper_ch> however the install can if it fails for some reason
[01:47] <grazie> fxr: BTW null modem cable is not what I meant...I meant a cat5 cable without the twist, although newer nics autodetect anyway me thinks
[01:52] <Kasplatt> ... the applications tab in the top left corner dissapeared...
[01:53] <grazie> Kasplatt: you can add it back to the panel....Xfce menu
[01:54] <Kasplatt> how ?
[01:55] <grazie> Kasplatt: right click on panel...add new item
[01:55] <Kasplatt> okay, thanks
[01:56] <Kasplatt> is there like a command to play a beep ?
[01:56] <Kasplatt> play (beep) or something ?
[02:00] <Kasplatt> what is the device for Wireless LAN ?
[02:00] <Kasplatt> oh... nevermind... I found it eth1... right ?
[02:04] <Kasplatt> Yeah, it all works :) thanks grazie.
[02:04] <grazie> np
[05:21] <vrkhans> hi
[05:22] <vrkhans> i have a question, I am using Xubuntu 2.6 if I upgrade do i lost all the setting i have in 2.6 or not
[05:22] <vrkhans> to 2.10
[05:22] <vrkhans> what is the difference
[05:22] <vrkhans> or does it worth
[05:24] <grazie> vrkhans: Where did you get that number from? More likely you have version 6.10.
[05:25] <grazie> or 6.06
[05:30] <vrkhans> sorry i have 6.06
[05:30] <vrkhans> thinking something else
[05:30] <grazie> vrkhans: if you upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 most of your setting will be fine, although I wouldn't guarantee everything will be the same
[05:31] <vrkhans> from 6.06 to 6.10 what the difference
[05:31] <grazie> vrkhans: are there any settings you are particularly worried about?
[05:31] <grazie> vrkhans: I don't really know 6.06
[05:32] <vrkhans> becaue i have a 6.10 cd but when i try to install it it doest install because may be of my video card setting or something else
[05:32] <grazie> vrkhans: desktop cd (live cd)?
[05:33] <vrkhans> grazie: i tried both desktop and the alternate
[05:34] <vrkhans> it start installation but then for some reason "no signal found" msg appear on my monitor
[05:34] <grazie> vrkhans: you can upgrade to 6.10 using the alternate cd, but not the desktop
[05:34] <grazie> vrkhans: re-installation is very different to upgrading. you are describing re-installation
[05:35] <vrkhans> does there a big difference in 6.10
[05:35] <vrkhans> ya
[05:35] <vrkhans> but i am little shaky, of losing what i have
[05:35] <vrkhans> grazie: which one you are using
[05:36] <grazie> vrkhans: you will lose your setting with a  re-installation or new installation unless you have a separate /home partition
[05:36] <grazie> vrkhans: I'm using 6.10
[05:36] <vrkhans> so i can not upgrade my system by doing apt-get upgrade
[05:37] <grazie> vrkhans: I have been testing 7.04 as well, but never used 6.06
[05:38] <grazie> vrkhans: yes you can upgrade, but not quite like that
[05:38] <grazie> !upgrade | vrkhans
[05:38] <ubotu> vrkhans: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:39] <grazie> vrkhans: it would be quite a big download
[05:39] <vrkhans> ok another issue is i wont able to play any realplayer file in firefox . it give me a msg plugin install, i just install realplayer but firefox, how i can set that
[05:40] <grazie> vrkhans: as you already have the 6.10 alternate cd, you can do a big part of the upgrade using that
[05:40] <grazie> vrkhans: I don't understand your last message
[05:43] <vrkhans> I am trying to play realplayer format files on the web, in different site, but got a msg in firefox that i dont have the plugin . But i just install the realplayer and it is running seperately but not in the browser, what do you think i should do, to fix that.
[05:46] <vrkhans> grazie: did you got my msg
[05:46] <grazie> vrkhans: yes ok
[05:47] <grazie> vrkhans: when you installed realplayer the plugin should work too. Have you looked at this >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28RealPlayer_10.29
[05:47] <vrkhans> it is running seperately, outside the browser but some how give that msg in firefox
[05:49] <vrkhans> i am checking your link
[05:53] <vrkhans> grazie: I have to man , I will try the 6.10 and let you know, but does there any why i did mess up my current setting i can go back to my old version and delete the changes
[05:55] <grazie> vrkhans: no you cannot go back
[05:56] <grazie> grazie: the best thing to do is make a backup of everything first
[05:56] <grazie> vrkhans: if you mess up you can restore the complete backup
[06:10] <oopsy> hey
[06:10] <oopsy> can anyone help me out?
[06:12] <oopsy> I can't type commands like "Make" or "make install" in xubuntu?
[06:16] <grazie> !build-essential | oopsy
[06:16] <ubotu> oopsy: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:17] <oopsy> so I need tha build essential package for "make" commands to work?
[06:17] <oopsy> that*
[06:19] <BFTD> oopsy yes
[06:19] <oopsy> thanks :)
[06:19] <sponix> oopsy: most software is installed through packages, "apt-get install xchat" for example
[06:20] <sponix> or apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <oopsy> yea but I don't have an ethernet connection and I'm trying to get my wireless to work
[06:22] <oopsy> so I really need all the needed packages first
[06:23] <oopsy> build essential has some dependencies, are those fulfilled?
[06:27] <oopsy> and one more thing : breezy > dapper > egdy
[06:27] <oopsy> (breezy is the oldest, then dapper..)
[06:40] <malnilion> Surprised that dude's ethernet didn't work out of the box...
[06:40] <malnilion> Er, wireless, rather.
[06:54] <bogor> where can i find info on using xbuntu as LTSP server, requirements, etc
[07:18] <cheeseboy> hi
[07:57] <oopsy> can someone tell me what are the dependencies needed for build essential?
[08:05] <oopsy> anyone?
[08:05] <oopsy> can someone tell me what are the dependencies needed for build essential?
[08:09] <MaximusBrood> Hello
[08:10] <oopsy> Hi
[08:14] <oopsy> anyone?
[08:14] <oopsy> can someone tell me what are the dependencies needed for build essential?
[08:17] <rici> apt-cache depends build-essential
[08:17] <oopsy> I don't have an ethernet connection :(
[08:17] <maxamillion> hello all
[08:17] <oopsy> sorry
[08:17] <oopsy> could you please tell me?
[08:18] <maxamillion> oopsy: tell you what?
[08:18] <rici> http://rafb.net/p/YpWheK25.html
[08:18] <oopsy> what are the dependencies of build essential
[08:18] <maxamillion> oopsy: the command rici gave you will tell you, it has nothing to do with a network connection
[08:18] <maxamillion> oopsy: it consults the apt-cache :)
[08:18] <oopsy> ah ok thanks
[08:19] <rici> assuming your cache is apt to date
[08:19] <maxamillion> lol
[08:19] <oopsy> I thought apt- always had something to do with GETTING something
[08:19] <maxamillion> oopsy: no no
[08:19] <oopsy> online that is
[08:19] <oopsy> but thanks :)
[08:19] <maxamillion> oopsy: apt-get is a utility that uses the apt system ... aptitude is another example of such a utility (and aptitude is a little more intelligent)
[08:20] <maxamillion> oopsy: anytime :)(
[08:20] <oopsy> one more thing
[08:20] <oopsy> dpkg-dev (which is a dependency), does it have it's own dependencies, and so on? o.o
[08:21] <oopsy> or the dependencies for dpkg-dev and the other build-essentials dependencies are already included in xubuntu
[08:21] <oopsy> I don't know if im making myself clear o.o'
[08:21] <MaximusBrood> If I wanted a ubuntu variant for a computer to be a server, installing xubuntu would be the right choice, correct?
[08:22] <maxamillion> oopsy: dependencies do ripple down, which is what apt-get or aptitude checks for so we don't have to be bothered with such things
[08:22] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: well ... yes and no ... i run xubuntu on both desktops and servers (and the work laptop i am currently on right now)
[08:23] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: but yes, it will function well as a server
[08:23] <oopsy> and I don't need an network connection for that?
[08:24] <maxamillion> oopsy: not to check the dependencies with apt-cache, no .. but to install from a repository listed in your sources.list using apt-get or aptitude, yes ... for that you would require an internet connection
[08:24] <cellofellow> unless you've got a CD/DVD for offline use.
[08:24] <maxamillion> cellofellow: right, but i don't know that the cd would satisfy build-essential's dependencies
[08:25] <MaximusBrood> Also, does the graphic installer give an opertunity to partitionate, or do I have to do that myself first?
[08:25] <oopsy> I'll explain the whole situation so that you can give me a direct opinion
[08:25] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: the graphicall installer gives you the opportunity to partition
[08:25] <maxamillion> oopsy: ok
[08:25] <oopsy> I need to install the RT2500 drivers for ralink on xubuntu, but I don't have an ethernet connection
[08:26] <oopsy> so I need to change back to windows when I need to download a package
[08:26] <MaximusBrood> maxamillion: Okay, thanks :)
[08:26] <cheeseboy> hi
[08:26] <oopsy> but X package to work, I need Z and Y package
[08:26] <oopsy> and so on
[08:26] <cheeseboy> how do i setup multiple x servers?
[08:26] <oopsy> so it's difficult for me to get my wireless network to work
[08:26] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: anytime :)
[08:27] <maxamillion> oopsy: ah ... yes, that would be difficult ... do you by any chance have a way to download and burn a dvd image?
[08:27] <cellofellow> I need to set up my Diamond DMD-I0928-1 "Monster sound" PCI card. It doesn't show up in the xfce alsa stuff.
[08:28] <maxamillion> oopsy: because if i remember correctly, there is a ubuntu dvd image that will give you all the dependencies you would need and you can just add it as a source to your apt-cache
[08:28] <maxamillion> cellofellow: "lspci | grep Diamond" ... make sure the system sees it first :)
[08:28] <oopsy> aww god.. nop I don't have a DVD recorder.. :'(
[08:28] <maxamillion> cellofellow: hey, didn't you say that the machine you were working on the other day said something was an Adeos filesystem?
[08:28] <cellofellow> josh@scamper:~$ lspci | grep Diamond
[08:28] <cellofellow> 00:0e.0 Multimedia controller: Diamond Multimedia Systems DMD-I0928-1 "Monster sound" sound chip (rev 01)
[08:29] <cellofellow> yeah, It worked to use cfdisk :)
[08:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well ... that's step 1 ... i guess the next thing would be to find the module that controls it and make sure its probed
[08:29] <cellofellow> how do I find that?
[08:29] <cellofellow> It autoloaded and used the onboard Yamaha YMF704C
[08:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: awesome! ... i recently looked into it and i think it had something to do with HAL confusing it .... or something of that sort
[08:30] <cellofellow> (I need the Diamond for MIDI.)
[08:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: uhmm... hmmm, the audio thing ...
[08:30] <maxamillion> (midis are such a pain
[08:30] <maxamillion> )
[08:30] <cellofellow> yeah
[08:30] <cellofellow> doesn't work very well in Windows either. Mac rules MIDI
[08:31] <maxamillion> yeah ... Mac rules media period
[08:31] <cellofellow> well, we can't afford one. :(
[08:31] <cellofellow> that's why I use Linux ;)
[08:32] <maxamillion> lol
[08:32] <maxamillion> i owned one (it was a high school grad gift) but then i had to sell it for text books now that i am in college and broke ... Mac is nice, its the lesser of two evils but i have my complaints and they are complaints that are solved by using linux :)
[08:32] <oopsy> no other way huh? I really needed that dvd?
[08:33] <cellofellow> you either need internet or an offline repo like a local server or a DVD.
[08:33] <maxamillion> oopsy: uhmm... you don't _need_ it, but it would probably be easiest without a net connection .... otherwise you might have to chase dependencies and use an usb flash drive
[08:34] <maxamillion> or host a local repo server .... as cellofellow just said
[08:34] <unikum> does automatrix2 works as well in xubuntu as it does in ubuntu?
[08:35] <cellofellow> If I had a huge network I'd set up a local mirror of the repos.
[08:35] <unikum> anyone?
[08:35] <cheeseboy>  how do i run multiple x servers?
[08:35] <oopsy> I'll guess I'll go chasing.. o.o
[08:36] <maxamillion> unikum: yes, but its not officially suppported
[08:36] <maxamillion> oopsy: i sorry
[08:37] <unikum> better to install all packages with apt-get?
[08:38] <maxamillion> unikum: no ... better to install with aptitude :)
[08:39] <unikum> i installed swiftfox. when i tried to uninstall firefox it wanted to uninstall the xfce4-desktop too
[08:39] <unikum> i typed no of course
[08:39] <maxamillion> yeah ....
[08:39] <maxamillion> uhmmm
[08:40] <maxamillion> unikum: did it try to uninstall "xfce-desktop" or "xubuntu-desktop"?
[08:40] <unikum> w8
[08:40] <maxamillion> k
[08:41] <unikum>  firefox gnome-app-install gxine sun-java6-plugin xubuntu-desktop
[08:42] <maxamillion> unikum: uhmmm... well i'm not sure why it want's to get rid of sun-java plugin or gxine, but xubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage so it cane be safely removed without consequence
[08:42] <cellofellow> bbl need to use *gasp* windows.
[08:42] <maxamillion> :(
[08:42] <maxamillion> sad times
[08:43] <unikum> how long time after ubuntu 7.04 will xubuntu 7.04 be out?
[08:43] <maxamillion> unikum: should be within the same week if not the same day
[08:43] <unikum> k
[08:45] <needcoffee> hi...i have a little problem with the "hidden options" for xfwm4...the option "easy_click=false" does not work
[08:46] <maxamillion> needcoffee: i haven't the slightest idea
[08:46] <needcoffee> can someone give me a workaround or a hint?
[08:46] <needcoffee> MaximusBrood, hum
[08:47] <maxamillion> :(
[08:47] <maxamillion> i sorry
[08:47] <MaximusBrood> needcoffee: What?
[08:47] <needcoffee> the problem is, i need the alt key for inkscape :/
[08:47] <maxamillion> needcoffee: oooo ... inkscape, good program :)
[08:48] <needcoffee> MaximusBrood, jep :)
[08:49] <needcoffee> :O
[08:49] <needcoffee> :)
[09:12] <cellofellow> Is there a way to auto-configure grub so that it detects and adds a windows installation on hdb1 to menu.list?
[09:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: update-grub ?
[09:15] <cellofellow> tried that
[09:15] <cellofellow> hello!
[09:15] <cellofellow> Jester
[09:15] <Jester45> hi
[09:15] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, then i dunno
[09:16] <maxamillion> cellofellow: did you install windows first or linux first?
[09:16] <cellofellow> Windows was installed on this drive on a different box. Just moved it over. Still having driver issues.
[09:17] <maxamillion> oh ... wow, uhmmm .. no clue
[09:17] <cellofellow> so, what's chainloader? does that mean that grub opens a different bootloader, in this case windows?
[09:18] <maxamillion> heh ... its been a while since i read up on chainloader, i remember reading about it but i have never had a solid knowledge of what it is or what it does
[09:21] <Jester45> !chainloader
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chainloader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <cellofellow> grub options
[09:21] <cellofellow> !grub chainloader
[09:21] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[09:28] <cellofellow> gee, how do I set grub splash inagmes
[09:28] <cellofellow> images* ?
[09:28] <maxamillion> !grub splash
[09:28] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[09:28] <maxamillion> bah!
[09:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: no clue, i always used it how ever it was shiped
[09:31] <kupo> my minipci on the T30 is showing up as a wired interface
[09:31] <kupo> how can i fix this?
[09:32] <grazie> cellofellow: the splash image is embedded within initrd.img...google to get more info
[09:33] <cellofellow> not that splash image
[09:33] <cellofellow> grub menu
[09:33] <grazie> :)
[09:33] <cellofellow> I got it though
[09:34] <cellofellow> ok, have to reboot AGAIN
[09:34] <maxamillion> :(
[09:34] <cellofellow> I hate rebooting
[09:39] <cheeseboy> can some help me setupmultiple x-servers?
[09:40] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: why on earth would you need multuple x servers?
[09:40] <cheeseboy> one for my tv one for my monitor
[09:41] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: interesting
[09:41] <maxamillion> but one x server should be able to handle requests from more than one source
[09:41] <cheeseboy> what do you mean?
[09:43] <cheeseboy> like have another computer be able to send somtin to my tv?
[09:43] <cheeseboy> or my otherx?
[09:44] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: ok ... think about x server like a web server for a moment .... can that one web server not allow more than one person to view content hosted on the server? .. same concept with X, you can configure it to offer requests for more than one interface
[09:45] <cheeseboy> oh so can i have 2 sesions running at once on one x server?
[09:48] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: sure
[09:48] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: lemme try to find you a link
[09:48] <cheeseboy> ok
[09:49] <cheeseboy> i need the seesions to be ruuning at same time u kno wat i mean?
[09:49] <kupo> cheeseboy: what I think you want is more than one virtual X session
[09:49] <kupo> but X server is just the godfather of the xsessions
[09:50] <cheeseboy> im still not good with linux
[09:50] <cheeseboy> just tryn to figure this out
[09:50] <maxamillion> http://support.attachmate.com/techdocs/1751.html
[09:50] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: that link might help
[09:51] <cheeseboy> is that an app?
[09:52] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: oh ... woops, yeah .. that's an app for windows users
[09:52] <maxamillion> just a min.
[09:53] <cheeseboy> ok
[09:53] <cheeseboy> ewww windows
[09:53] <cellofellow> xnest is cool
[09:54] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you familiar with what cheeseboy is trying to accomplish? ... because i have no clue how to do it, just know it can be done
[09:56] <cellofellow> no idea. I missed that part.
[09:57] <cellofellow> something to do with X.
[09:57] <maxamillion> oh ... hmm, just that xnest sounded relevant :)
[09:57] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: can you say what it is you want?
[09:58] <maxamillion> cellofellow: he wants to run 2 displays from the same computer, one running the desktop, the other is his tv tuner and i said he can do both from the same xserver, and i know he can ... just don't know how to config it like that
[09:58] <cheeseboy> ya what he said
[09:59] <cheeseboy> im bad at explaining things :(
[09:59] <cellofellow> oh.
[10:00] <cheeseboy> know how?
[10:00] <cellofellow> if you google for something to do with multi-seat systems you might find something. It is possible to make multiuser systems without thin clients, you just plug in a bunch of monitors, keyboards, mice, and other devices and map them together.
[10:00] <cellofellow> in xorg.conf
[10:01] <cellofellow> don't know exactly the options or even and inkling of it really. I ran into it once.
[10:01] <maxamillion> cellofellow: right, same concept ... just a different input device
[10:01] <cellofellow> about a year ago.
[10:01] <maxamillion> err... output
[10:01] <cellofellow> well, he should be able to figure that out.
[10:01] <cellofellow> he could even use a different input device like an IR remote or a Wii controller.
[10:02] <cheeseboy> http://userful.com/products/dm
[10:03] <cheeseboy> would that ork?
[10:03] <cheeseboy> or is there a free way?
[10:04] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: there is a free way to do what they do ... its just harder
[10:05] <cheeseboy> i need to switch to XFree86 server ?
[10:06] <cheeseboy> instead of xorg
[10:08] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: you want to run dual monitors?
[10:08] <cellofellow> no. xorg does everything that xfree86 and more.
[10:09] <cellofellow> he wants a normal desktop and a tv tuner.
[10:09] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: no, wants to run his monitor and a tv tuner card off the same box at the same time
[10:09] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: but doing different things
[10:09] <kupo> I've done that once
[10:09] <kupo> but I'm not sure how
[10:09] <hyper_ch> and where's the problem?
[10:09] <kupo> I started up a window manager on f6 and another on f7
[10:10] <cheeseboy> it says xorg has problems ith multi seat..
[10:11] <kupo> but cheeseboy what window manager are you using ? xfce, gnome or kde?
[10:11] <cellofellow> which version of Xorg was it talking about? Xorg 7.1 is the latest, I think. Maybe th bugs are fixed.
[10:11] <cheeseboy> xfce
[10:11] <cellofellow> !xserver-xorg
[10:11] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 165 kB, installed size 584 kB
[10:15] <cheeseboy> ok
[10:15] <cheeseboy> how do i update xorg ?
[10:16] <cellofellow> update?
[10:16] <cellofellow> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[10:16] <cellofellow> should get you up to speed.
[10:16] <cheeseboy> ok did that yesterday so i think im fine
[10:23] <cheeseboy> how do i detect all my keyboards and mice?
[10:25] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: if they are usb, then they should be autodetected
[10:25] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: ps/2 should work too
[10:26] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: com mouse requires some configuring
[10:26] <maxamillion> hey TheSheep_, long time no see
[10:26] <cheeseboy> i need to get what number or somtin they are for multiseat
[10:27] <cheeseboy> is anyone  willing to set this up for me?
[10:27] <cellofellow> ok, bbl. Windows problems call.
[10:29] <MaximusBrood> I'm trying to get a USB modem to work (Speedtouch 330) with the tutorial on linux-usb (http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html). I'm connecting through PPPoE, but I'm getting "Timeout waiting for PADO packets" followed by "Unable to complete PPPoE Discovery". Can anyone give me a solution for this so I can get my internet working?
[10:30] <maxamillion> i would love to but i lack any experience with usb modems
[10:30] <MaximusBrood> Don't try to get experienced with them, they really suck ;)
[10:31] <cheeseboy> my usb modem just worked no problem
[10:31] <cheeseboy> wireless is where i had trouble :9
[10:31] <cheeseboy> ;( *
[10:32] <MaximusBrood> cheeseboy: What did you do to get it to work, the same thing I did?
[10:33] <cheeseboy> i just plugged in booted and my usb modem orked
[10:33] <cheeseboy> worked*
[10:33] <cheeseboy> how you on right now?
[10:33] <MaximusBrood> I'm using a bridge, wish it would work out of the box.
[10:34] <cheeseboy> maxamillion , can you walk me trough tut?
[10:34] <cheeseboy> through*
[10:34] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: through what tutorial?
[10:35] <cheeseboy> ttp://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/14-Multiseat-X-Under-X11R6.97.0.html
[10:35] <MaximusBrood> Where is pppoe.conf located?
[10:36] <kupo> anyone know how I can tell xubuntu to recognize my built in minipci as wireless and not wired as its showing up now?
[10:37] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: that link times out for me
[10:37] <maxamillion> kupo: it knows its wireless, just calls it eth1 (or something similar) ... same thing happens on mine .... don't know why though
[10:38] <cheeseboy> same for me
[10:39] <MaximusBrood> (going offline now to test new config)
[10:40] <cheeseboy> maximillion , link should work
[10:40] <TheSheep_> use 'http' in fornt
[10:40] <TheSheep_> front
[10:40] <TheSheep_> instead of just 'ttp'
[10:41] <maxamillion> i did
[10:41] <maxamillion> still timed out
[10:46] <cheeseboy> http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iii-xorgconf.html
[10:46] <cheeseboy> how bout that one
[10:46] <cheeseboy> ?
[10:47] <MaximusBrood> And back again, didn't work :(
[10:47] <MaximusBrood> cheeseboy: You said it worked instantly with you. What did you do, plug it in, then what?
[10:48] <cheeseboy> booted linux
[10:48] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: that one worked
[10:48] <cheeseboy> click internet
[10:48] <MaximusBrood> Then where did you put in your connection info?
[10:49] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: i'm really not all that sure what you want me to tell you that the tutorial doesn't
[10:49] <kupo> maxamillion: anyway to fix it ?
[10:49] <maxamillion> kupo: fix what?
[10:50] <cheeseboy> do i delte hats in my xorconf and put that?
[10:51] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: is that what to tutorial tells you what do to?
[10:51] <kupo> i would back up your xorg.conf if i were you cheeseboy
[10:52] <kupo> do 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
[10:52] <kupo> or
[10:52] <kupo> do 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak-03-16
[10:52] <cheeseboy> i did
[10:52] <kupo> ok
[10:53] <maxamillion> kupo: no ... do "cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.back" because mv will just rename the file (or "move" it to a new location under a new name)
[10:53] <cheeseboy> i have geforce fx4200 so can i use his conf?
[10:54] <cheeseboy> 5200
[10:54] <cheeseboy> 8
[10:54] <cheeseboy> ugh
[10:54] <cheeseboy> 5200*
[10:54] <kupo> maxamillion: good call
[10:56] <maxamillion> :)
[10:58] <cheeseboy>   Identifier  "Card0.1" # CRT-1 (Analog-DVI, DFP-0 : Digital-DVI)
[10:59] <cheeseboy> do i need to schange that to s-video?
[11:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It doesn't matter.  Everything after the '#' is a comment, and therefore ignored.  The identifier itself is just a logical name.
[11:12] <superkirbyartist> I am working on an AbiWord document, and I'd like to add a line.  Can someone help please?
[11:13] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i'm sorry ... i don't follow, what's the issue?
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, you know the lines that go from one end of the page to another?
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> We're talking about split lines.
[11:14] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: so a single sentence that takes 2 lines?
[11:15] <superkirbyartist> Nope, just a line that goes from left to right.
[11:15] <maxamillion> ok
[11:16] <maxamillion> then what is "split" about it?
[11:16] <superkirbyartist> Sorry, never mind the split.
[11:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ___________________________ <--- one of those?
[11:18] <superkirbyartist> Yes, more or less, pumpernickle.  Without using keyboard.
[11:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hm.
[11:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> OOo is what I use, and you can find that in Insert -> Horizontal ruler.  I can't check Abiword for that, since it's not installed.
[11:22] <kupo> maxamillion: I can't do 'iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever'
[11:22] <superkirbyartist> Sorry, pumpernickle, but it doesn't help.  Besides, OOo needs 512MB (swap+RAM combined) of memory.
[11:22] <maxamillion> kupo: oh ... yeah, that ... sorry its been a while since we spoke, i've been doing 100 things in 8 different channels
[11:23] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: uhmmm... no, no it doesn't
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> Max, any experience with Abi?
[11:23] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i use Abi daily
[11:23] <kupo> its fine maxamillion
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, OOo crashes when swap is off.  My computer has 256MB RAM.
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> This laptop only has 172MB.
[11:23] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oh, yeah... you have to have swap on ... sorry
[11:23] <kupo> superkirbyartist: yeah i would recommend abiword also
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> And laptop has no swap.
[11:24] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: why not?
[11:24] <BrendanM> hey, how do I make letters with accents on them?
[11:25] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, i'll make plans for swap, but the hard drive is 2 gigs.  Xubuntu takes up a lot of room, and so I barely have any space left.  I use a USB more often, though, so free space is not a must.
[11:25] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: ah ... yes
[11:25] <cheeseboy> maximillion
[11:25] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: a debian base/custom install might be something you would benefit from
[11:25] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: yes?
[11:25] <cheeseboy> http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iv-evdev-and-xephyr.html
[11:26] <cheeseboy> do i need to edit that scipt?
[11:26] <superkirbyartist> The crappy way to make lines in abiword: turn underline on, and press space space space.
[11:26] <cheeseboy> script?
[11:27] <superkirbyartist> And Maxamillion, IIRC, Ubuntu is Debian-based.
[11:28] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yes, it is
[11:28] <cheeseboy> just make the underlines white :)
[11:29] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy, we don't want that :(
[11:29] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy, I want big black lines.
[11:29] <cheeseboy> get open office
[11:29] <cheeseboy> its da best
[11:30] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy, lots of RAM requirements, just like Beryl and Vista.
[11:30] <superkirbyartist> But, at least Beryl lets you use swap, instead of having to buy 512MB RAM.
[11:30] <cheeseboy> so maximillion do i have to edit script?
[11:31] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy you make me thing of the new movie with the mouse and the cheese.
[11:31] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: what?
[11:31] <kupo> I wanna try compiz
[11:32] <kupo> maxamillion: so how do i start to fix this?
[11:32] <superkirbyartist> Kupo, Beryl's the latest.  It's release candidate too.
[11:32] <superkirbyartist> I heard Xfce has problems with Beryl.  Is that true?
[11:33] <cheeseboy> look at the link i sent you
[11:33] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: no, i ran beryl on xubuntu for a while but found it annoying and got rid of it
[11:33] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, you can indeed change its plugins.
[11:34] <cheeseboy> http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iv-evdev-and-xephyr.html
[11:34] <cellofellow> I'm ALL DONE with the Windows problems. I have not only ONE Linux problem: MIDI.
[11:34] <cheeseboy> do i need to edit that script?
[11:34] <cellofellow> brb rebooting (using ssh so I won't go offline.)
[11:34] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i am aware, i changed it alot, configed it ... installed new themes ... but over all found it annoying
[11:35] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, I agree about it being a ressource hog.
[11:35] <cheeseboy> ...?
[11:35] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, what I don't agree is when Mozilla is called "ressource hog" while its proprietary, Windows-only competitor (IE) takes more RAM.
[11:36] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: because the people who call it a resource hog are generally linux users and they are used to things that go fast
[11:37] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, of couse.
[11:37] <superkirbyartist> They can buy more RAM or swap.
[11:37] <superkirbyartist> Even though it takes only 30MB or so, depending on plugins/tabs etc.
[11:38] <cheeseboy> ill take that as a no,,
[11:39] <superkirbyartist> If they think it's slow, then they haven't heard of Internet Explorer.
[11:39] <cheeseboy> gmail takes 3 minutesto load in ie
[11:40] <cheeseboy> itssad
[11:40] <superkirbyartist> I heard there's "Internet Explorer for Unix".  Will it run on Linux?
[11:40] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yeah ... www.ie4linux.org or something
[11:40] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, I've heard of such projects.
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> But Microsoft has released IE5 for Unix.
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> It's not Wine or the like.
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> Will Unix apps run on Linux?
[11:41] <cellofellow> some will, some won't
[11:42] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[11:42] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oh, uhmmm... not all will but alot will, it might need a little porting
[11:43] <cellofellow> Sun prides itself that Linux apps run fine in Solaris a lot of the time.
[11:43] <maxamillion> yeah, they claim 100% compatibility
[11:44] <superkirbyartist> I am downloading it from Wayback Machine.
[11:44] <superkirbyartist> Solaris or HP-UX?
[11:45] <cellofellow> Sun Solaris.
[11:45] <maxamillion> Solaris
[11:45] <maxamillion> err ... Solaris 10 claims 100%
[11:45] <cellofellow> Not HP HP-UX or IBM AIX or *gasp* SCO UNIX.
[11:45] <superkirbyartist> Je me demande pourquoi je telecharge Internet Explorer en premier lieu.
[11:45] <maxamillion> lol ... SCO still exists?
[11:45] <cellofellow> sort of.
[11:46] <maxamillion> heh ... interesting
[11:47] <cheeseboy> ho do i make it start gdm instead of xdm?
[11:48] <oopsy> maxamillion, I don't know if you remember me, but I already tracked down all the packages I needed x)
[11:48] <maxamillion> oopsy: awesome!
[11:48] <maxamillion> oopsy: glad to hear it
[11:49] <cheeseboy> anyone know?
[11:49] <oopsy> :)
[11:50] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: remove xdm? ... or there is a config file somewhere, i just can't remember where
[11:51] <cellofellow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm, select gdm, and configure init so xdm doesn't start anymore.
[11:51] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ah how the debian way dominates :)
[11:54] <maxamillion> ok ... i really have to go work on writing my compiler
[11:54] <superkirbyartist> IE4 Setup for Solaris is 11MB :(
[11:55] <maxamillion> laters all
[11:56] <superkirbyartist> I have to go to, thanks for your time and see you later.
[11:58] <oopsy> THERE!!
[11:58] <cellofellow> whatever happened to alsaconf?
[11:58] <oopsy> all the required packages for build essential without enthernet
[11:58] <cellofellow> coool
[11:58] <oopsy> they're about 40 xD
[11:58] <cellofellow> yikes
[11:59] <oopsy> now to find out the specific order to install them in xubuntu xD
[12:00] <grazie> cellofellow: all handled by udev now
[12:01] <cellofellow> grazie: so, how can I get my PCI sound card, which only shows in lspci nowhere else, working?
[12:02] <grazie> cellofellow: fixing sound can be tricky, specially with udev changes....you looked through the guides?
[12:03] <crimsun> cellofellow: we don't ship it. It's buggy.
[12:03] <cellofellow> ok
[12:03] <crimsun> (we stopped shipping alsaconf as of Hoary.)
[12:03] <cellofellow> grazie: what guides should I look through?
[12:03] <grazie> !sound
[12:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:04] <crimsun> cellofellow: it helps if you pastebin the output from DebuggingSoundProblems and tell us the url
[12:07] <kupo> crimsun: can you help with a problem?
[12:09] <crimsun> not presently, I'm troubleshooting an alsa regression in 2.6.20-11.18
[12:13] <kupo> ok gimme a shout when you're done
[12:19] <cellofellow> grazie: crimsun: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/sound-debug.tar is the sound stuff.
[12:19] <cellofellow> crimsun ^
[12:20] <crimsun> cellofellow: separate text files, please
[12:21] <cellofellow> it's a tarball of seperate text files
[12:22] <crimsun> cellofellow: it's interpreted as binary by my proxy, which prevents downloading
[12:22] <crimsun> (and I don't control that proxy, which of course makes things interesting. I'm not trying to be difficult.)
[12:24] <cellofellow> well, ok


[01:12] <racarr> kgunn: Wait so whattimeisitnow? Not sure ifitupdated in my calendar
[01:12] <racarr> i.e. dont remember when it was last week
[01:13] <kgunn> racarr: hey...so...i forgot to make it a repeat anyway...so i had to just send a new invite
[01:13] <kgunn> racarr: so its, 3hr 15 min from now
[01:17] <racarr> kgunn: Ok
[01:17] <racarr> depending on how my soon to start bus bound adventure goes I may be a little late.
[01:17] <kgunn> racarr: np
[01:29] <duflu> kgunn: Make it earlier perhaps? As in 90 minutes?
[03:10] <kdub> duflu, good job on the resizing work :) all my devices seem to work with it
[03:13] <duflu> kdub: Thanks, but it's still laggy without events
[03:14] <duflu> kdub: BTW, even Nexus7? I've found Mir on N7 hasn't responded to touch properly (if at all) for some time
[03:15] <duflu> --> bug 1239501
[09:35] <duflu> Hmm, hanging the server with a broken client is bad, right?
[09:39] <alan_g> yep
[09:41] <duflu> Argh. So. Many. Deadlocks
[09:41] <duflu> .
[09:41] <alan_g> Want to talk about it?
[09:43] <duflu> alan_g: If I had the words to describe them I would have logged bugs. But for now it's easy to blame myself, since they only happen on my branch
[09:44] <duflu> Although me finding deadlocks is different to me causing deadlocks :/
[09:44] <alan_g> so true
[09:45] <duflu> One of the major problems I have encountered is our client event callbacks coming in on their own thread. That's quite a problem for simple single-threaded clients.
[09:47] <alan_g> Hmm. We don't have control of the single tread to execute callbacks on it - so what would you do instead?
[09:49] <duflu> alan_g: I presently have to use pthreads in the single threaded client to signal the primary rendering thread from the event thread. That's not ideal
[09:50] <alan_g> Why does the simple single-threaded client need to use callbacks? Doesn't the ..._sync API cover it?
[09:51] <duflu> alan_g: How else do you get immediate notification of resizing?
[09:51] <duflu> ... or input etc
[09:52] <duflu> Or do you mean we need a mir_wait_for(mir_next_event(&e)) ? :)
[09:52] <alan_g> So, you'd want to poll an event queue?
[09:52]  * alan_g bad memories of the Windows event loop
[09:53] <duflu> alan_g: Not poll. I'm happy to have everything event driven and sleeping nicely. But whatever it takes to get clients back to one thread would be excellent
[09:54] <duflu> or perhaps:  what = mir_wait_for_either(mir_sleep(n), mir_next_event(&e))
[09:55] <alan_g> mir_get_event_sync(...)?
[09:56] <duflu> alan_g: You really need support for waiting on multiple handles simultaneously to do it properly. Like Win32's WaitForMultipleObjects
[09:57] <duflu> mir_wait_for_any(a, b, c, NULL)
[09:59] <alan_g> Perhaps - but doesn't that go further than the "simple" single-threaded client case needs?
[10:00] <alan_g> BTW How does this hang the server?
[10:03] <duflu> alan_g: I have the server hung in send() sending a trivial resize notification, while the client is somehow deadlocked.
[10:03] <duflu> I'll just avoid that path for now and if I can describe the problem in terms of existing logic, then log a bug
[10:04] <alan_g> duflu: that's clearly a server side bug - I can look at that later
[10:13] <alan_g> duflu: if the default event callback were to push events into a queue and we provided an optionally blocking  call to pull off the queue doesn't that cover the simple case?
[10:15] <duflu> alan_g: Essentially yes. I would want to fuss over the client-side API we expose though. In the least you need to be able to wait for any-and-all Mir things that could be happening, including a timeout/sleep to animate the client
[10:18] <duflu> Even more weird... it's safe for an event callback to swap_buffers on motion events, but not on resize events which originated from motion events
[10:20] <alan_g> Does "safe" mean guaranteed by a standard? Or just "doesn't break on my machine"?
[10:20] <mlankhorst> What if the standard is doesn't break on my machine? ;)
[10:20] <duflu> alan_g: Doesn't *seem* to break and has worked for most of the year
[10:21] <duflu> (as in fingerpaint)
[10:21] <alan_g> Ah
[10:27] <duflu> alan_g: It appears my hanging send() contains a TODO :)  [mfd::SocketMessenger::send()]
[10:30] <alan_g> That TODO is a typical comment - it disagrees with the code
[10:31] <alan_g> the send_fds it refers to is now part of that function
[10:31] <duflu> alan_g: I mean that I need it to be async. It's not.
[10:32] <duflu> What are the "fds" we're passing around all the time??
[10:32] <alan_g> duflu: It shouldn't block anyway - so being async would be at best an optimization
[10:33] <duflu> alan_g: It seems a broken client can block it :)
[10:33] <alan_g> the fds are handles from gbm or android
[10:33] <duflu> alan_g: Why do we use them on every message? That's weird
[10:33] <alan_g> They're optional on all messages. Only a few send them
[10:34] <alan_g> The wire protocol is blob+optional fds
[10:34] <duflu> alan_g: Oh, I see. Empty if not provided
[10:34] <alan_g> ack
[10:37] <alan_g> So you think we're writing bytes to a socket and get throttled because the client isn't reading the other end?
[10:51] <duflu> alan_g: Yes, I think so. Another (probably different) problem I have now is that the surface events come in on a different thread to input events. Yet they share the same callback so it's very confusing
[10:52] <duflu> I suspect we'll need to solve this before resize events can be usefully demonstrated. Unless I instrument all the examples with pthread magic, but that's bad
[10:55] <alan_g> @"on a different thread" - that's weird. I though there was just the comms thread (and any threads the client code has)
[10:56] <duflu> alan_g: Weird, but I just remembered I documented that when I discovered it -- http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/group__mir__toolkit.html#ga171267b0c507a17b2d76a8e927f2d959
[10:57] <duflu> "and locking" should say "any locking"
[11:04]  * duflu closes the can of worms and wanders off
[11:41] <alan_g> alf_: How strong is your preference for references? gmock is throwing up a bunch of errors when I set expectations on a mock of fill_ipc_package(BufferIPCPacker& packer, Buffer const& buffer) - it can't check anything for equality and doesn't like incomplete types.
[11:41]  * alan_g thinks pointers are fine anyway
[11:46] <alf_> alan_g: My preference is strong, but if references are causing problems I am OK with pointers.
[11:57] <alan_g> pointers it is then.
[11:59] <alan_g> tvoss_: when you have a moment: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-system-compositor/dont-use-ApplicationSession/+merge/193070
[12:08] <tvoss_> alan_g, looking
[13:32] <didrocks> kgunn: Mir in -proposed! (thanks to the restless Mirv)
[13:32] <didrocks> let me cry of joy for a minute :)
[13:36] <Mirv> :)
[13:37] <tvoss_> didrocks, :)
[13:38] <greyback> could someone please check that Mir in daily-proposed works on the Nexus10? It's failing for me with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6448151/
[13:46] <Mirv> addition to above, Mir almost in -release pocket as well (visible in LP that it's already accepted, waiting for publisher run)
[13:48] <alan_g> Must be time to try landing another batch of updates. ;)
[13:57] <Mirv> :) rmadison now tells it's in archives for real
[13:58] <fginther> kgunn, are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ci-services-itself/+bug/1252933 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ci-services-itself/+bug/1252857 duplicates?
[13:58] <fginther> kgunn, I received 1252933 from thomi
[14:03] <kgunn> Mirv: didrocks ...thanks both!
[14:03]  * kgunn will be laughing all day imagining didrocks crying tears of joy
[14:03] <kgunn> fginther: lemme look
[14:04] <didrocks> kgunn: rohhhh! you have no idea about the pain we endure ;)
[14:05] <kgunn> fginther: yes...those seem to be duplicates, i guess thomi thot mine sucked :)
[14:05] <fginther> kgunn, I filed the second bug, didn't think to look for one first :-)
[14:05] <kgunn> fginther: np
[14:28] <alan_g> greyback: I don't have one to test - but I think you need -r 1228 of dev branch for N10. trunk is based on r1192
[14:32] <greyback> alan_g: okay
[14:33] <alan_g> greyback: and to use dev-branch we need to land https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-mir/dont-use-ApplicationSession/+merge/195242 (hint hint)
[14:34] <greyback> alan_g: sure. I'm trying to test it as I type, just bad luck I chose nexus10 to test it on
[14:34] <greyback> alan_g: I've added 2 little comments to that MR just now
[14:36] <alan_g> greyback: fixing...
[14:37] <alan_g> tvoss_: when you have a moment: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-system-compositor/dont-use-ApplicationSession/+merge/193070
[14:39] <tvoss_> alan_g, yup, still looking
[14:39] <Mirv> kgunn: you're welcome
[14:40] <alan_g> greyback: ...pushd
[14:40] <greyback> alan_g: thanks
[15:45] <greyback> alan_g|tea: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-mir/dont-use-ApplicationSession/+merge/195242? approved, top approve at your desire
[15:46] <alan_g> greyback: top-approved. Thanks
[16:18] <tvoss_> alan_g, can I just use your branch of usc, latest Mir and whatever X drivers we have and give it a spin?
[16:20] <alan_g> tvoss_: I would hope so.
[16:20] <tvoss_> alan_g, building right now, just wanted to check before I kill my local setup :)
[16:21]  * alan_g assumes that the trunk usc is working (hasn't tried it yet)
[16:26] <tvoss_> alan_g, can you give it a spin, too?
[16:28] <alan_g> tvoss_: I'm not really set up for it right now. Too many versions in flight
[16:29] <tvoss_> alan_g, ack, I will give it a spin on two machines then. I'm hesitant to approve as usc has no no tests in place
[16:29] <alan_g> that's something I'd like to get fixed. But only one set of hands
[16:35] <tvoss_> alan_g, sure, not saying it's your fault :) just explaining high latency for the review here
[16:36] <alan_g> tvoss_: I know.
[19:37] <mterry> Heyo!  Can someone help me with a nested-mir issue?  "Nested Mir failed to find an opaque surface format"
[19:37] <mterry> I can reproduce with just mir-demos
[19:38] <racarr> mterry: Oh this is the transparentstuff
[19:39] <racarr> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/alpha-for-nested-servers/+merge/193162 will unblock you for nowbut it wont land
[19:39] <mterry> racarr, yeah.  I realized today I've been testing all this time with that branch in place
[19:39] <mterry> racarr, assumed it would have landed by now.  But I see that feedback is needed on that branch
[19:40] <mterry> racarr, what can I do to move that branch (or something like it) along?
[19:40] <mterry> racarr, at this point, it's not even what the greeter needs.  This error is just preventing nested Mir at all
[19:41] <racarr> I guess I need to redo it to expose an option or something
[19:41] <racarr> oratleast pick a transparent format if there is an opaque one in plac
[19:41] <racarr> eerr
[19:41] <racarr> if there is no opaque one
[19:44] <mterry> racarr, also...  is there not an automated test involving nested Mir?  I would have expected such a test to hit this, although maybe this is android specific
[19:44] <racarr> no automated testing on actual android devices
[19:46] <mterry> racarr, well, once we land nested, I guess it will get tested all the time
[19:47] <mterry> racarr, well, if this could get highish priority, I'd give you a hug
[19:47] <mterry> racarr, I'm *so* close to landing nested mode
[19:51] <mterry> racarr, so why can't a nested Mir find an opaque surface format anyway?  Why would that change in nested mode?
[19:51] <racarr> mterry: Oh it's just that nothing else insists on having an opaque surface.
[19:52] <mterry> racarr, oh
[19:52] <mterry> racarr, and android can't provide one?
[19:58] <racarr> mterry: Apparently not that seems like it must be abug though
[19:59] <mterry> racarr, OK, well if there's anything I can do to help, let me know
[20:01] <racarr> mterry: Ok thanks. I will get on it in like
[20:01] <racarr> 30mins
[20:02] <racarr> I forgot about the underlying bug when the branch was abandoned because we dont need alpha anymore
[20:09]  * kdub wades into composition options
[20:11] <mterry> racarr, me too  :)
[20:11] <mterry> racarr, and we do need alpha...  just not immediately
[20:11] <mterry> racarr, greeter will still want to be semi-transparent
[20:29] <kdub> i don't really know why we even have that error
[20:30] <kdub> maybe gbm can't bypass buffers with alpha?
[20:48] <racarr> kdub: Ithink it was
[20:48] <racarr> "optimization"
[20:48] <racarr> and a weird strategy ;)
[21:26] <rsalveti> kdub: so, one more device, the emulator :-)
[21:26] <rsalveti> 5 "android"-based devices
[21:27] <kdub> rsalveti, yeah
[21:27] <kdub> is that working with mir?
[21:27] <rsalveti> kdub: yup
[21:28] <kdub> oh :) thats good news
[21:53] <racarr> Just had a fun idea...trying to figure out how to make the focus mechanism make sense,the idea of customizing behavior doesn't make so much sense anymore, but it's nice for testing the default shell/system compositor, i.e. EXPECT(focus_setter, set_focus), v. EXPECT(surface_controller,raise) EXPECT(input_targeter, target)
[21:56] <racarr> so I had the idea that maybe there is a 'FocusTracker' which handles the bit of defocusing the focused surface (i.e. updating the attribute) when we focus a new surface
[21:56] <racarr> but rather than a 'FocusTracker' it could just be a callback
[21:57] <racarr> i.e. mf::Shell::create_surface(Session, SurfaceParameters, std::function<void(FocusState)> track_focus)
[21:57] <racarr> the more I type the less im sure :p
[21:59] <racarr> You can test instead with an integration test by acting on the event sink...
[21:59] <racarr> and thats probably more clear
[22:04] <racarr> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/nested-dont-require-opaque-surface/+merge/196026
[22:04] <racarr> should have just dont that right away :p its tiny
[22:04] <racarr> sorry
[22:04] <mterry> racarr, heh.  why does nested mode want an opaque surface anyway?
[22:05] <mterry> racarr, the performance aspect?
[22:15] <mterry> racarr, oh, just noticed that you want me to review that branch.  I can test on my device, sure.  But should probably have an actual mir dev actually review
[22:15]  * mterry goes to test
[22:37] <mterry> racarr, btw, I'm a little confused by the issues of performance around the alpha branch.   If the background is alpha, but opaque things cover that background (like would happen in unity8), why would there be a performance hit?  I figured that alpha bg would be optimized out
[23:00] <kdub> rsalveti, how does the emulator work?
[23:00] <kdub> kinda a vague question
[23:01] <kdub> but is it using a software egl for the android platform?
[23:26] <xnox> kdub: emulator is the same one as for android. there are egl libraries in android-container, which do pass-through to hypervisor, where a traslation from egl -> host gl is done, host's drivers are used to process gl, and it gets fed back into the emulator.
[23:28] <kdub> hmm, interesting
[23:29] <kdub> and the host is X...
[23:29] <kdub> xnox, how about the display?
[23:30] <xnox> kdub: there is no host X involved at all.
[23:30] <xnox> kdub: it's a virtual machine, based on goldfish kernel. so there is goldfish framebuffer which is what mir paints on.
[23:30] <xnox> to the user it is magically projected over vnc.
[23:31] <xnox> and that's how humans look at it =)
[23:31] <xnox> the egl -> gl -> egl translator is very cunning.
[23:32] <xnox> you can run emulator head-less, as in without projecting the vnc window anywhere.
[23:32] <kdub> so the emulator does the translation from android platform egl to the host platform's egl?
[23:33] <kdub> and the other curiosity is that mir only paints the fb via the android HAL surrounding the fb.... so there must be some goldfish friendly hwc somewhere
[23:39] <kdub> neat...
[23:39]  * kdub pokes around android code in this area
[23:49] <kdub> okay, i see how this all works from a high level then.. very cool


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[06:29] <Allon> Hi
[06:29] <Allon> I installed yesterday kubuntu 16.04 and I do not find muon packager
[06:30] <Allon> I tryed to install it from logiteque (discover software application) but I can not find it there neither
[07:43] <Allon> ?does anyone know how to start muon in new kubuntu 16.04
[07:43] <Allon> I have a very fresh installed version and no muon
[07:56] <Allon> I found it it was not installed I did a apt-get
[08:24] <x-computer> co ai viet nam khong
[11:10] <rajivmars> Is "virtualbox" only able to run 32-bit operating systems or 64-bit as well?
[11:12] <yossarianuk> rajivmars: 64 bit too
[11:12] <yossarianuk> if you are missing the option for 64bit and you have a 64bit host - check your bios settings.....
[11:13] <yossarianuk> rajivmars: see here -> http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/2014/11/virtualbox-showing-32-bit-guest-versions-64-bit-host-os/#.V4y5xe0thhE
[11:13] <yossarianuk> however really you are better off with KVM - I consider vbox = windows.
[11:13] <rajivmars> yosarianuk: ok.
[11:25] <rajivmars> yossarianuk: do i need to check the BIOS from virtualbx settings or from the system after rebootin it?
[11:25] <rajivmars> yossarianuk: do i need to check the BIOS from virtualbx settings or from the system after rebooting it?
[11:36] <yossarianuk> rajivmars: if you can reboot - check bios
[11:44] <rajivmars> yossarianuk: what has to be change in BIOS?
[11:51] <yossarianuk> rajivmars: you have to ensure h/w virtulaisation + VT-d is enabled in the bios
[11:51] <yossarianuk> more info -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/607897/no-option-for-64-bit-os-virtualbox-guest-os-in-ubuntu-14-10-dell-optiplex-755
[12:43] <viewer|83133> hey guys I would like some help with my KDE Connect please..
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:06] <Mrokii> Hello. After a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.04 it seems that the html5-player on YouTube doesn't work anymore). I've had Ubuntu installed before, so I don't know if there's something I have to install additionally to make it work.
[14:07] <Mrokii> Specifically, I am trying to watch YouTube via Firefox.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Mrokii:  you might be trying to watch flash video which youtube still uses for some older legacy videos. HTML5 should work natively on firefox, Try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras as well.
[14:11] <Mrokii> BluesKaj: I have installed the restricted extras.
[14:12] <Mrokii> BluesKaj: And if I right-click on the video it shows an option "About the Html5-player", so I assume in this case it isn't using Flash.
[14:15] <Mrokii> And I also installed something to enable the chrome-Flashplayer in Firefox, Flash is shown as being active in the Firefox-plugins-window.
[18:18] <ita> hi there, will kubuntu 16 eventually update Qt to 5.7? 5.5 does not seem to work well with high dpi displays
[20:55] <tirsito> Klk
[21:08] <keithzg> ita: Kubuntu 16.04 is a long-term support release, so something as major as updating Qt to 5.7 is unlikely to take place. Not sure of the roadmap for future *buntu releases; from a brief look, it seems like Yakkety (ie. 16.10, the next release) is currently still at 5.5.
[23:27] <jaldhar> Hello.  some recent update seems to have broken login to sddm.  Is this a known problem or just me?
[23:29] <jaldhar> Symptom is you login and the screen remains black.  .xsession-errors says something about .Xauthority locks timing out but deleting that file and attempting to recreate it doesn't do anything.
[23:32] <valorie> jaldhar: you might check permissions on that file
[23:32] <valorie> for some reason a few people had it owned by root instead of user
[23:33] <jaldhar> valorie: thanks. they are 0600 and owned by me.
[23:34] <valorie> check that one off then
[23:34] <valorie> one problem is that SDDM is not KDE software
[23:34] <valorie> nor is it in use by most of the rest of the *buntuverse
[23:35] <valorie> you might check the sddm github and see if anyone there reports a similar problem
[23:35] <jaldhar> valorie:  I will but how did I get it? This is a straight kubuntu install so I should have kdm right?
[23:36] <valorie> not for many years, no
[23:36] <valorie> what version are you running
[23:36] <jaldhar> xenial
[23:36] <valorie> we've been providing SDDM since LightDM began requiring copyright assignment for all submitted patches
[23:37] <valorie> kdm has been deprecated by KDE for a long time
[23:37] <valorie> I doubt it made the jump to frameworks 5, plasma 5, etc.
[23:37] <jaldhar> valorie: oh ok.  I've never really looked at it because it always just works.
[23:37] <valorie> for sure
[23:38] <valorie> both lightdm and sddm are forks of gdm/kdm
[23:38] <valorie> as I recall
[23:39] <jaldhar> hmm the .Xauthority file is 0 length.  Thats not right.
[23:39] <jaldhar> And now its 0664 which it definitely wasn't before.
[23:40] <valorie> that's funky
[23:41] <jaldhar> This system is in a vm which mounts its home directory from another server (running Debian.)
[23:42] <jaldhar> Perhaps that system is doing something though I typically do not log in to X on it.