[23:37] <flips01> I guess so, and it might be gone if I installed fresh, but now I guess I could just disable it in gconf or something?
[23:37] <flips01> yes, I can't kill it
[23:37] <topyli> flips01: look at your session properties, find maximus and see if there are any command line switches
[23:37] <flips01> is it initially started by the default xinit script or something?
[23:37] <topyli> if not, you need to add that
[23:37] <topyli> it's started with your gnome session
[23:38] <flips01> ah, look under Sessions in gnome
[23:38] <topyli> i forget the exact switch, see if it has a man page
[23:39]  * flips01 is looking ... :)
[23:39] <topyli> (i don't have the remix handy here)
[23:39] <Stealthcpe> Hi there, I have an ATI Radeon HD2400 that I wish to use with my system, running Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Release Candidate.  This would involve the binary driver fglrx.  On previous versions of Ubuntu I was able to select this driver in the restricted driver manager
[23:40] <Stealthcpe> however this doesn't appear in Jaunty yet.  Is there problems with this driver and the new Xorg?
[23:40] <topyli> "man maximus" was not a very smart google search :)
[23:41] <flips01> can't I just remove it from startup apps, as I use classic gnome desktop
[23:41] <flips01> man page says nothinh
[23:41] <topyli> flips01: oh you will only want to use the classic? why don't you just remove the remix packages?
[23:42] <flips01> topyli: well, I thought maybe my girlfriend would like the remix interface
[23:42] <topyli> flips01: i do think the session switcher should start it whenever you want to use netbook mode
[23:42] <flips01> maximus --help worked
[23:42] <topyli> however, it should be killed when switched back. there's your bug
[23:42] <flips01> -s or --no-restart
[23:42] <topyli> ah ok
[23:43] <topyli> so add that to the maximus command in the session
[23:45] <flips01> I did, and now I can kill it ... but then again, why not just remove it ... that worked even better :)
[23:45] <topyli> hrm actually i would like to know more about this desktop switcher thing. it must work in the same session, so how is it supposed to handle things like maximus anyway?
[23:46] <flips01> the only thing I miss in my window maker/gnome now, is the ability to turn off the titlebar for some windows
[23:46] <flips01> is that possible in metacity/gnome?
[23:46] <topyli> flips01: well, maximus a pretty good hack when used with the taskbar applet
[23:47] <topyli> flips01: i don't think so. on my eeepc i just use a metacity theme that has no titlebar on any window :)
[23:47] <flips01> eh s/maker/manager/ in the previous statement :)
[23:48] <topyli> yeah i don't think window maker has that feature either
[23:48] <flips01> topyli: cool, made yourself or downloaded somewhere?
[23:48] <topyli> flips01: it's called "no-title" and you should find it at gnome-look.org
[23:48] <topyli> or "notitle", i forget
[23:49] <flips01> I like fvwm2 and open/fluxbox and such, but there is so many small applets and such that are so nicely integrated in the gnome environment
[23:50] <flips01> topyli: I'll find it ... would be even better with toggle titlebar or something like that, though
[23:50] <flips01> full screen is nice, though
[23:51] <flips01> hm, the software update applet/thingie doesn't show
[23:53] <topyli> if you want a window manager that lets you define different decorations (like no titlebar) for certain windows or window types, you want fvwm or enlightenment (the stable e16 not the new crack)
[23:55] <flips01> yes, I've used fvwm for more than a decade :) But on my netbook, it's nice with all the gnome applets
[23:55] <flips01> and it integrated better with metacity
[23:56] <topyli> well fvwm does work perfectly in gnome :)
[23:57] <Stealthii> Hi there.  What version of X.org does Jaunty use?
[23:57] <flips01> I had some trouble/issues with fvwm2 and gnome, but that was a while back
[23:57] <topyli> all sane window managers support the same ewmh window manager hints anyway
[23:57] <kole> okay wierd issue
[23:57] <yofel> Stealthii: 1.6
[23:57] <Stealthii> hmm
[23:57] <kole> I updated to the release candidate and all of a sudden opera wont play flash... its in the plugins folder and everything but alas... nothing works
[23:57] <topyli> flips01: but true, metacity is best integrated
[23:57] <Stealthii> I thought it used the 7.x version line?


[09:49] <CIA-3> debian-installer: ogra * r1278 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix omap udeb selection for netboot flavour, drop gzip compression in omap mkimage call for netboot flavour, make sure we build INITRD_FS = initramfs for omap netboot
[09:51] <CIA-3> debian-installer: ogra * r1279 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu97
[10:26] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4066 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-timezone.py): Catch invalid iterators in on_region_combo_changed (LP: #521851).
[10:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3925 testing/tests/run-frontend: Add test for moving backwards past the manual partitioning page.
[11:12] <saispo> cjwatson: hi, have you have a roadmap about the latest kernel integration in the debian-installer ?
[11:13] <cjwatson> what's to integrate?
[11:16] <saispo> just move kernel 2.6.24-27 proposed to stable for creatingcd
[11:16] <saispo> just move kernel 2.6.24-27 proposed to stable for creating cd
[11:17] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r623 ubuntu/choose-mirror.c: consistent indentation
[11:17] <cjwatson> why didn't you say that instead of "latest kernel integration"? :-)
[11:17] <cjwatson> not very specific
[11:17] <saispo> yes :) excuse me
[11:18] <cjwatson> anyway, I already uploaded it, looks like it's just awaiting the end of the standard 7-day aging period
[11:18] <saispo> ok
[11:18] <cjwatson> not my call, I don't push my own uploads through to -updates since that's generally bad form
[11:18] <saispo> i see your upload and will wait, it's just for having a date
[11:19] <saispo> i'm not hirry
[11:19] <saispo> hurry
[11:19] <cjwatson> should be this week
[11:19] <saispo> ok, thanks
[11:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4067 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-language.py):
[11:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Don't let not being able to talk to the system bus crash the entire
[11:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: language page.
[11:33] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3926 testing/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge with trunk.
[11:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3927 testing/tests/run-frontend: monkey patch switch_progress_windows as a no-op.
[11:42] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r203 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[11:42] <CIA-3> partman-base: Allow preseeding partman/alignment to "cylinder", "minimal", or
[11:42] <CIA-3> partman-base: "optimal"; "cylinder" restores old alignment behaviour for the benefit
[11:42] <CIA-3> partman-base: of those with crotchety BIOSes, while "optimal" is the default.
[11:44] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r204 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 139ubuntu4
[11:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3928 testing/tests/run-frontend: Add test case for r4066, testNoActiveItemRegionCombo.
[11:52] <amichair> is anyone able to reproduce Bug #556376 ?
[11:53] <amichair> (I have a guess what the cause is by looking at the code, but can't recreate to test)
[11:56] <ev> I was able to reproduce it fairly reliably in KVM.
[12:00] <amichair> ev: how exactly? jr said only in non-english?
[12:00] <amichair> (I'm on a clean virtualbox, amd64)
[12:01] <ev> I booted into "Install Kubuntu", then pressed alt-f until I was on the timezone page
[12:01] <ev> I pressed alt-f again to continue
[12:01] <ev> and then left it for a few minutes
[12:01] <ev> it didn't move to the next page until I moved the mouse
[12:03] <ev> I may have selected a language other than English, I don't recall exactly
[12:06] <amichair> ev: thanks, I'll give it another shot
[12:06] <ev> amichair: cool, let me know if you need me to test any potential fixes
[12:11] <amichair> ev: nope :-(
[12:11] <amichair> alt-f goes all the way through
[12:21] <ogra> what is partman doing that could trigger the following (/me doesnt know what to look for to reproduce it in kernel)
[12:21] <ogra> Apr 12 11:18:47 main-menu[208]: INFO: Menu item 'partman-base' selected
[12:21] <ogra> Apr 12 11:18:48 kernel: [  556.388214] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x40200000
[12:21] <ogra> Apr 12 11:18:48 main-menu[208]: (process:7234): Bus error
[12:22] <cjwatson> could be misaligned memory access
[12:23] <cjwatson> /var/log/partman might at least pinpoint which parted_server command was being run when it fell over
[12:23] <ogra> likely, i would like to give something to amitk so he can easily reproduce though ...
[12:23] <ogra> ah
[12:23] <ogra> /bin/partman: *******************************************************
[12:23] <ogra> /lib/partman/init.d/25md-devices: *******************************************************
[12:23] <ogra> /lib/partman/init.d/30parted: *******************************************************
[12:23] <ogra> thats all i have
[12:23] <ogra> rotating due to several tries
[12:24] <ogra> hmm, init.d is a script
[12:26] <cjwatson> stick set -x near the top of /lib/partman/init.d/30parted
[12:26] <ogra> tried that
[12:26] <ogra> but i cant seem to capture the output anywhere
[12:26] <cjwatson> you should have got stuff in /var/log/syslog then
[12:26] <ogra> nope
[12:26] <cjwatson> err
[12:26] <ogra> (note i'm running through serial atm)
[12:26] <cjwatson> always goes there for me
[12:26] <cjwatson> but if that doesn't work, then:
[12:27] <cjwatson> exec 2>/tmp/trace; set -x
[12:27] <ogra> ok
[12:28] <ogra> ~ # ls /tmp/trace
[12:28] <ogra> ls: /tmp/trace: No such file or directory
[12:28] <ogra> *sniff*
[12:29] <cjwatson> err
[12:29] <cjwatson> no idea what went wrong there :)
[12:29] <ogra> i guess it dies to early (in /bin/sh already)
[12:29] <cjwatson> that seems pretty unlikely.  huge swathes of the installer before that are in shell.
[12:29] <cjwatson> where did you put the set -x?
[12:29] <ogra> first i turned set-e into -ex
[12:30] <ogra> then i put the line above below that
[12:30] <ogra> *set -e
[12:30] <cjwatson> make sure you do the exec; set before . /lib/partman/lib/base.sh
[12:30] <ogra> yeah, it is
[12:30] <cjwatson> I don't know what to suggest then ...
[12:30] <ogra> well, amit seems to have a suspicion
[12:31] <ogra> so i'll see
[12:31] <cjwatson> I wouldn't rule out it being a userspace bug yet, we just don't know where
[12:31] <cjwatson> unaligned accesses are a common enough bug on architectures that have strict alignment requirements
[12:31] <cjwatson> it's a bit surprising that we wouldn't have run across it already elsewhere, that's all
 ogra: I am almost sure it has to do with clocks being turned off during module access
[12:32] <cjwatson> ok
[12:32] <ogra> so lets see where he gets to :)
[12:57] <ogra> wow, thats weird
[12:58] <ogra> so i decided to go for a non serial install test and i cant switch consoles
[13:03]  * ogra doesnt get it ... it completely stops working ... like no enter key and the like, but the caps-lock and num-lock keys still work
[13:05] <ogra> oh !
[13:06] <ogra> it switches consoles, it simply doesnt display them ... i have tty1 on the screen no matter where i switch to
[13:07] <ogra> so indeed pressing enter doesnt move the picture on screen :P
[13:07] <ogra> oh my, that kernel is so far from ready :(
[13:31] <CIA-3> debian-installer: ogra * r1280 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/omap/netboot.cfg debian/changelog): add boot.scr to easily boot OMAP netinst kernel and initrd from SD card
[13:31] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3929 testing/tests/run: Run tests under xvfb.
[14:09] <ev> cjwatson: the "ellipsis as .*" you mentioned the other day comes standard with the doctest module that launchpad subclasses.
[14:10] <cjwatson> ah right, good
[14:33] <ev> ugh, fakechroot fakeroot deboostrap ... is being entirely uncooperative
[14:34] <ev> (for individual ubiquity component tests)
[14:54] <cjwatson> --variant=fakechroot?
[14:56] <ev> indeed, fakeroot fakechroot debootstrap --variant=fakechroot --arch=i386 lucid /tmp/test-chroot http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[14:57] <ev> err, ignore the --arch
[14:57] <ev> I seem to be running into dbo 561991
[14:57] <ev> err bugs.debian.org
[15:40] <cjwatson> superm1: so, I fixed some bugs in the debconf/apt integration you committed to casper a while back that was getting in the way of bug 557011 ;-)
[15:40] <cjwatson> superm1: but the rest of it is proving difficult and I'm having to sit and think about it fairly hard
[15:51] <cjwatson> I *think* that what we need to do is: (a) run casper's debconf-communicate with a read-only templatedb; (b) run apt-get with the same templatedb but read-write (i.e. remove DEBCONF_DB_REPLACE); (c) continue running apt-get with a throwaway read-write configdb which passthroughs to casper/debconf-communicate's real read-write configdb, which is the one that ends up on disk after boot
[15:51] <cjwatson> very delicate though
[16:49] <cjwatson> hmm, well, that sort of worked but created other problems
[16:52] <cjwatson> I think I'm going to need to run casper's debconf-communicate with an entirely separate configdb, and debconf-copydb things over at the end
[16:52] <cjwatson> ugh
[16:52] <ev> ouch
[19:22] <superm1> cjwatson, great on finding those other debconf/apt integration issues from before, thanks :)
[22:07] <amichair> ev: u still there?
[22:07] <ev> amichair: indeed I am, what's up?
[22:07] <amichair> ev: feel like trying out a fix to the mouse freeze issue?
[22:08] <ev> definitely
[22:09] <amichair> oki, so - if necessary, first make sure u can recreate the issue in ur setup (for verification)
[22:09] <amichair> then, slip in and edit kde_ui.py by adding 'self.app.processEvents()' as the first line of debconffilter_done method
[22:09] <amichair> then try to recreate again
[22:10]  * amichair crosses his fingers...
[22:12] <ev> will do
[22:13] <amichair> ev: btw, u familiar with that FIXME bit in this method? it doesn't look right.
[22:36] <ev> amichair: I *think* that did the trick, just confirming.
[22:37]  * amichair uncrosses his fingers and puts on a party hat
[22:45] <amichair> ev: as for the FIXME there, when I comment it out I don't get the crash it claims to solve - any idea what that's about?
[22:52] <ev> amichair: not sure and bzr blame/log isn't much help.  We best leave that as is for lucid though.
[22:53] <amichair> ok, though even if necessary, that doesn't seem like a clean solution (the other two events should be disconnected as well, or better yet, all should be setEnabled(False))
[22:53] <amichair> but best if it can just be deleted :-)
[22:54] <amichair> but indeed, we'll leave it for now
[22:54] <ev> indeed, I'm just trying to avoid risk this late in the cycle :)
[22:54] <amichair> ok, so I'll prepare the mouse fix in my branch for merging
[22:54] <ev> thanks
[22:57] <amichair> btw I noticed the Yes/No buttons in quit confirmation dialog aren't translated (at least to Latvian), and lacking default keyboard focus (try quitting using only keyboard - it's awkward)
[22:57] <amichair> unless Yes/No is valid Latvian, of course. I wouldn't know :-)
[22:57] <ev> hrm, confirmed with Spanish
[22:58] <ev> though yes was focused as soon as I hit alt
[22:59] <amichair> yeah, maybe I did something wrong there.
[23:00] <amichair> Should the default to quit be Yes? isn't No the safer choice, since it's not irreversible?
[23:02] <ev> yeah, No should be the default
[23:03] <amichair> should I open bugs for all these?
[23:04] <ev> please do
[23:06] <amichair> okily dokily
[23:07] <ev> haha, neighboreno
[23:12] <amichair> Bug #561876
[23:16] <amichair> and Bug #561881
[23:16] <ev> 561876> just testing a fix for that now
[23:16] <ev> thanks
[23:16] <amichair> u beat me to it ;-)
[23:18] <amichair> pushed the hang fix to branch at lp:~amichai2/ubiquity/fixes/
[23:18] <amichair> should I find someone else to confirm, or is it safe enough?
[23:19] <amichair> (seeing the event model there is quite intertwined, might be good to play it safe)
[23:27] <ev> amichair: I think it's safe.  Committed.
[23:27] <amichair> ev: ok
[23:28] <amichair> Well, that wraps up my good deed for the day... time to get some rest
[23:28] <cjwatson> superm1: just a reminder re my information request in bug 550694 in case you didn't see it
[23:28] <ev> amichair: enjoy, and thanks again for your help!
[23:28] <amichair> ev: Thanks, and good night (whenever it hits your tz!)
[23:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4069 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py): Fix hang unless mouse is moved (LP: #556376)
[23:32] <superm1> cjwatson, yeah i just saw it.  been a busy day, i've been away from bug mail and IRC, i'll try to get it up there before tomorrow
[23:37] <cjwatson> thanks
[23:38] <cjwatson> my network speeds still haven't come back up to what they're pleased to call normal, so I may have to call my ISP again tomorrow
[23:39] <cjwatson> on the upside I think I've finally defeated casper
[23:46] <superm1> that's great news :)


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 @nfsprodriver regarding app devel in Utouch or something else ?
 I'm on xenial and have that problem with clock apps.
 some info there, with a work around seems to be : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732209
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[08:31] <knightdx> hi all anyone active?
[08:33] <tgBot> Terry Autwell was added by: Terry Autwell
[08:33] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Hi all
[08:35] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Anyone available that can give me some info to porting this to a non nexus device? Well non aosp i guess. Ive got a lg stylo 3 plus i wanted to try and port it to
 @Terry Autwell, Good morning Terry and welcome
[08:36] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Good morning to you as well Lionelb :)
 @Terry Autwell, I think you need to port halium first.
 But not sure.
 For now, that is way off the list. Proprietary stuff and memory are killer issues
[08:37] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Halium?
 Yes, with Halium you get a compatibility layer. So the range if phones is potentially much wider
 In experimental testing now and not with your phone. Six to twelve months maybe?
[08:38] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Any way i can help? Or where could i start?
 If you want to play around with Ubuntu Touch you need a supported phone for now
 Depends on your skills
 Halium itself. Bsckporting from newer kernels. Bug-fixing. Probing hardware drivers. Writing apps.etc.
[08:41] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Eh im willing to learn. Ive messed around programming for awhile just never known where to start trying to port a rom to a non nexus device. Ive got the vendor blobs for my phone
 Much easier to 'crack' a new phone if several are working with the same model. Is it Qualcomm?
 @wayneoutthere, cool
 @Terry Autwell, Have a look at halium.org and you can contact @Mohannes from the dev group
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/D6idIZoo/file_1537.mp4
[08:43] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Yea it is
 Okay. Don't even try Mediatek
[08:44] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @bastos777, Thanks I'll do that
[08:44] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Lol that bad?
 But if you have the vendor blood maybe it is worth trying
 *blobs
 It seems unlikely any others are looking at the LG so putting effort into Halium as a generic solution makes more sense. There is a group on here
 @bastos777, I liked the blood idea
 I haven't see too much LG devices everyday running a custom ROM especially.
 @Stereofont, +1
[08:47] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Well I'd be willing to help out.
 @TheImpulson, If Lineage are not there, forget it
[08:47] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @TheImpulson, Honestly what i see them running is Lineage these days
 @Stereofont, You just got answer
 So @Halium is a group on here
[08:48] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> This phone has only been out a few months, they've got Lineage for the stylo 2 plus and they are very similar in specs
 @Terry Autwell, You will void your warranty 😂
 @Terry Autwell, There is the halium tg group. I would participate there . they will be happy if you contribute
[08:49] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Lol wouldn't be the first time
[08:51] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Hell i just unlocked the bootloader earlier and have twrp now. Cant unlock the BL for my moto tho sadly
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0co20usi/file_1538.mp4
 @TheImpulson, The answer is: yeah! With lineage and vendor blobs (even without their blood) contribution and help is welcome
[08:52] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @bastos777, But blood helps tho right :p
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/re8FIdvB/file_1539.mp4
[08:54] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Thinking about trying right port halium over in a day or so
 @Terry Autwell, Ditto. Very annoying
 @Terry Autwell, moto are easy to unlock
 @TheImpulson, Not all.  Ive tried for about a week now and cant do it.
 @Stereofont, I have unlocked surnia and osprey yet. Was wasy AF
 @Terry Autwell, surnia?
[08:58] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> No harpia
 SHould be easy. I have seen many guys with unlocked harpia
[08:59] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @TheImpulson, The XT1609 is the vzw variant
 @TheImpulson, Not all Surnia unfortunately. Plus this is going off topic…
[08:59] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> The unlocked harpia is xt1603 if I'm not mistaken
[09:00] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @Stereofont, Ah sorry lol.
[09:00] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Any idea why they stopped production of ubuntu touch in the first place?
 Admin are very generous but it is crowded in here…
 @Terry Autwell, Conspiracy theories v. Development was too slow v. IoT was more sexy
[09:04] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @Stereofont, Lol then personal opinion?
 @Terry Autwell, Plus they couldn't really decide if it was for enthusiasts or for consumers
[09:06] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> Eh honestlly i think it would have been a niche thibg regardless. Linux is more popular now than it used to be but not to the point where people would have it on their phones. Eh thats my personal opinion anyway
 @Terry Autwell, https://forum.xda-developers.com/g4-play/development/root-autoinitroot-motorola-bootloader-t3639316
 I want spam more.
 😜
 @Terry Autwell, If they didn't know their target audience they didn't really have a plan…
[09:08] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @TheImpulson, Lol already did it. I tried to be smart and after getting root, flashing the twrp img to my recovery. Got a bootloop lol
[09:10] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> @Stereofont, Thats true. At least linux is more mainstream now than it used to be though
 Bozen, die Landeshauptstadt Südtirols, ist das Tor zum Süden. Die zweisprachige Stadt vereint die Kulturen und Traditionen Italiens und Österreichs auf ganz besondere Weise.
 @Terry Autwell, Your kernel version ?
[10:37] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> 3.18.31
[10:39] <tgBot> <Terry Autwell> ?
 https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kvdv9/samsung-upcycling-galaxy-s5-bitcoin-mining-rig … intresting, this could help us
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/NSeIdyWX/file_1541.jpg Thx @neothethird  for the stickers...they arrived very quick!
 @TronFourtyTwo, Interesting they have a website https://galaxyupcycling.github.io
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/OInxtFQ5/file_1542
 actually they said you can put the os you want and they will open source the "upcycling software"
 https://youtu.be/J1bK3TxdMeI?t=1328
 Hmmmm is this a good thing? That a company like Samsung is coming with this? You are depending on Samsung...
[12:00] <tgBot> haze eskawe was added by: haze eskawe
 Where can I get the stickers?
 @nfsprodriver, @stickersChannel
 @nfsprodriver, If you want a certain pack that you see in chat, you can click on the sticker that you want
 @UniversalSuperBox, 😂
 @nfsprodriver, I have test the OPO 1 for the OTA-2, as a thank i get those stickers...
 Hello haze and welcome!  I'm going to send you a quick message on the side to make sure you have a few excellent tools to get you going.  Just wanted to let you know so you know who I am when I send it. :)
 @jakko, I want stickers too. Where i can order those?
 @samitormanen, PM @neothethird @UniversalSuperBox ?
 @samitormanen, you can donate $15 on the Patreon page
 and stickers come as a reward
 Ok. Thanks!
 patreon.com/ubports
 you are welcome
 Oh. That's what I get for not reading the backlog. 😂
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 @bastos777, lol...
 @samitormanen, Well for me it happens often. :( About once a day. … I am flashing right now another system. :(
 Good afternoon everyone! I'm going to install Ubuntu Touch on my OnePlus One and I have some questions about the performance😊 … 1. There is a "known bugs" page? … 2. How about the battery life? … 3. There is a Spotify? Unofficial app or webapp or something like that … Thank you very much! ❤
 3. CuteSpotify in Openstore does the job well.
 @samitormanen, Is there country restrictions ?
 I don't know.
 @haze eskawe, welcome!
 @samitormanen, Really? 👍 Thank you
 @SergioSRM, I know a few peopel could answer this for you but they are probably sleeping.  I wish I could help and thanks for the patience.  There are definitely a few bugs, but the camera was recently fixed and it's 'working' but definitely not easy for daily driver from what I have heard.
 @SergioSRM, 3. https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.mikeasoft.cutespotify … "Please note, a Spotify premium account is required to make use of this app."
 @SergioSRM, every app has a repository of some kind (usually on GitHub, rarely on GitLab). there is a dedicated issues page. … for Ubuntu Touch issues visit this link: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 Joe said 'just add search term 'bacon' to this and it should work
 @wayneoutthere, i am not asleep :D
 I have An bacon device
 @SergioSRM, Battery life: there are days when the battery is draining...  … Camera is running very well
 @jakko, Edit on battery life, the battery is draining very fast. I have test the wifi wireless display with a miracast, on my tv it was very unsharp... Sadly
 Is there some docs about how Ubuntu Touch and Android are joined together? Partitions, filesystems etc..
 I am wondering about "/android/system" and "/var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system" folders. There are same files in both of them..
 Yeah they are bind mounted
 @wayneoutthere, Thank you! I hope I can help with bug report or something like that😊
 @bhushanshah What is bind mount? If I want to change some file in those folders, can I remount it rw and modify it?
 @j2g2rp, Mine one is premium👍
 i never used spotify 😆
 @SergioSRM, it's above the git hub
 @samitormanen, bind mount is basically one directory mounted at different place
 @vanyasem, I will take a look! Thank you! ☺
 If you want to modify anything in /system you need to modify /var/lib/lxc/android/system.img
 Ok. Can I do it straight from phone over adb shell? Sorry my stipid questions 😳
 @jakko, Always? So the battery life is like hours?
 You can reboot into recovery, mount /data/system.img to say /a, and then mount /a/var/lib/lxc/android/.. to somewhere
 What do you want to achieve though.. I am curious
 Sounds a bit difficult for me. I just wanted try to fix bluetooth sound problems by editing mixer_paths.xml.
 Maybe, @mariogrip knows how to remount /system rw
 Someone could write a guide in wiki..
 @samitormanen, we need a captain of documentation.  Who will volunteer?  I"m actually not joking
 there are lots of people who can write but they need one bite at a time... editors too.
 @SergioSRM, Yes...4-6hours.
 @jakko, 😱😱😱
 @SergioSRM, That's nu experience.... You can test IT on your ownn device
 That's my experience...
 Yep! I will! 😊 I appreciate your sincerity
 @vanyasem, When does they are planned to be sent ?
 i don't know :)
 @Ern_st, When the Pidgin is back from his holiday..😂
 Anyway i prefere receiving xenial than a sticker ^^
 @mariogrip should we update the status info on xenial prealpha milestone?
 Hi again! I was checking Ubports wiki and the App Development section links redirect you to docs.ubuntu... and the page doesn't exist
 (Photo, 968x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Slg9rujR/file_1544.jpg
 replace md with html
 in the URL
 readthedocs is broken
 @vanyasem, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/clickable.html … Where? 😔
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 here's a link to docs
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/236/guide-set-up-a-clickable-working-environment-inside-a-lxc-contiainer
 and read that to learn how to set up clickable
 Thank you very much! 😘
 i've chewed off all my toenails now waiting in anticipation of the Community Update.  How much longer?  The crowds are lining up.
 Pre-sale tickets?
 ^^ I got a few VIP tickets on black market for you
 Guys anyone with #ubports N5 and #cdma network?
 @wayneoutthere, were you in the circus previously? chewing off toenails requires some serious flexibility
[17:06] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @h4888, just a metaphor,don not be scared  😱
 Hi im new here. Just tried to flash my new fairphone 2 (Android 6) with Ubuntu Touch using magic-device-tool. Everything went smoothly until I was asked to go into Recovery Mode. Instead of seeing ubports Recovery on the screen, i the famous blue screen. Is there any hope, or did I just waste 520€?
 The device is not broken because the recovery doesn't work. You will always be able to fix it in fastboot
 Good news. How is this done? I'm not too terminal savvy .
 Hi all. For the first time in a long long time back to see a community update live. :))
 @Jens, Better wait for someone who installed Ubuntu Touch once :) I'm not familiar with it's install process
 @Jens, Hey, did the UBports Installer not work for you?
 Tried Magic device Tool first, because I found a Youtube Video by Marius Quabeck and it looked fairly easy.
 Jens if you tried to install it with magic-device-tool you should asc in their channel maybe Marius Quabeck can help you magicdevicetool.com/telegram
 MDT will only install the Stable channel, which doesn't work with the new Fairphone
 Here: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases … When you get the option, install either RC or Devel.
 Jens, you have not wasted your money. Ubuntu Touch on #FP2 is great. The blue screen error is fixed AFAIK. But the magic device tool is no longer supporting us
 Take rc. Works for me very good
 @h4888, i'm skilled in a few important categories...
 You can join our #FP2 group on telegram https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=g156895138
 why does countdown stop on the Community UPdate page. Last check it was 67 minuts and now seems no countdown
 Because the call has started but isn't live. Silly thing.
 they don't have a 'show public we're not live yet' function?  lame
 @bastos777, Hi Sebastian. Was könnte man jetzt machen?
 Hi Sebastian, How can we proceed from here?
 yeweeeeeee haw!!!!
 ride em!
 We are live!  Yay
[18:02] <WLBI> :-))
 calm down jan!!
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O307UePqokY
 ^^ live
 oooo-boon-tooo
 slight angle works.
 5.9!!!
 👋👍🤘
 That is awesome!  I just found it :)  I was bummed that there was no tactile feedback for keyboard
 but now I'm blown away
 send that to the newsdesk.  not sure i even get it.  ha
 YES!!    That makes you a sort of hero... along with Dora the Explorer!
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/yvVamiUo/file_1552.jpg
 Pls help my cat is being cute
 |Grass is Greener on the Xenial Side" - Marius
 But we will walk up the stairs, not run them up ^^
 ohh.. this will be exciting
 already started breaking stuff!
 did you say google, jan?
 Boooo... its like Linux on Windows
 at least you say ubuntu right
 just rip off the band-aide and go full linux...
 sweeet
 at least we are having fun!
 ship it!!
 highest bidder?
 hahaha
 LOL
 let's all move our eyes closer
 The Grass Just Got Greener!
 return = enter
 right middel side of keyboard
 my face is like 6 inches from my screen
 lol
 Can we test 5.9.1 from the repo?
 The clock app has dconf restrictions.
 sweet awesomeness
 exactly
 we are mesmerized
 anyone with future foresight should be excited
 it's great, buddy.  nice work
 does this mean convergence 'is alive'
 ?
 @mariogrip how are Xenial docs going? also, when will OP3/OP5 device trees be available?
 can we get the Ubuntu app store app replaced with Openstore?
 Humans!
 or Replicants
 UBFR
 First Responders
 Will Atwood
 @nfsprodriver, http://repo.ubports.com/dists/xenial_-_qt59/
 Wayne re-wrote the rule book
 Hey anyone on IRC can report spam in #halium to freemode ops?
 like the Wal-Mart greeters
 not bad ;)
 can i ask marius an question about miracast and OPO 1?
 @jakko, sure
 high five
 We can just overwrite the exsiting packages? Which update command should we use?
[18:33] <WLBI> Is there also a 16.04 image for the tablet M10 FHD?
 Nailed it!
 (Photo, 680x280) https://irc.ubports.com/AJ7BbDTB/file_1554.jpg 10/10 Hangouts
 @UniversalSuperBox, install ubuntu remove solus
 @nfsprodriver, will document it after the q/a
 @mariogrip are you using your opo device with miracast on your tv/monitor, when i connect my device trough mircast on my tv...my desktop is very unsharp?
 @mariogrip, Best man! 😆
 we are planning a poll for apps
 survey coming soon
 @jakko, I use it with both my monitor and tv, it looks perfect for me (using the ms wireless display adaptart v2)
 @mariogrip okay i orderd one trought alieexpres..
 @WLBI, Sorry, not now, but chances are high that it will get created soon ;)
 ok, thanks for answering that for me
[18:37] <WLBI> @Flohack: thanks for this information
 @mariogrip i'll see what kind off mircasy i have :)
 @mariogrip i have an mirascreen G2
 @mariogrip maybe it is not usable, i'll get another one ;)
 Yeah!
 Keep growing UBports
 @mariogrip is community update off?
 @bhushanshah, no, still going
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O307UePqokY
 Uh okay
 @Crash_Burn, ❤
 my daughters liked your cat dalton
 I also like her
 The cat
 @UniversalSuperBox, 😂😂😂
 feature the cat
 @Flohack, Hi. Another question: I also have an M10 FHD which is running the original 15.04 version: how different is the frieza image from ubports from the original one?
 @F_P_S, Not so much on the low level, but you will benefit from updates on the root filesystem and the apps. So I can only recommend to change to UBports ;)
 @Flohack, OK. I'll give it a try when I find some spare time for it. Thanks a lot!
 @UniversalSuperBox, lol?
 @mariogrip, remember, I have girls waiting in line
 for Sudoku images
 @vanyasem, http://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-7.1-caf-sudoku-rootfs/
 @mariogrip, she wants a ready system.img for OP3 :)
 @mariogrip, I have that running on HTC 10 right now
 @mariogrip  😂
 "yes yes yes docs docs docs" Marius
 ^^
 @UniversalSuperBox, Should have just left it like that.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, 😻
 headdesk
 @UniversalSuperBox, It's ok
 Jan looks tired. @mariogrip send him some Monsters, so he won't need to sleep 😄
 B UNS????
 Marius mjust be a baker.
 @vanyasem, "He always sleeps"
 I want some.monster
 hahahaah
 boooon
 SUPER LOL
 But I don't want my device to be as open as a monster after I've drunk it
 You're a bun too
 A bunny? :)
 You bunny too :3
 Srop
 aaaah the netherlands..
 very nice ;)
 Brrrreda!
 (Sticker, 512x492) https://irc.ubports.com/uJJ9zGJr/file_1555
 the placeto be ;)
 Jan after the qa
 hahhaa
 esk eet ti iit
 (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/dPaKbY0A/file_1556
 utrecht ;)
 ÜÜÜtrrecht
 yiiikes
 @neothethird sleep on the perron
 @neothethird the are say plz go away!
 hahahah
 awesome moment in ubuntu
 (Sticker, 512x434) https://irc.ubports.com/vwl00KsG/file_1557
 Marius when will this bug be fixed?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0dWhPAjE/file_1558.webp
[19:08] <tgBot> (I-Am I-Am) was added by: (I-Am I-Am)
 Android tablet doesnt like this Community update, it keeps disconnecting. Ubports powered N5 streams very nice 😎
 "Slap the like button" - Marius
 @neothethird good night
 @(I-Am I-Am), hello
 Gnight @neothethird
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DiJ2Kd3t/file_1559
[19:09] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> nice community updated, goodnight
[19:09] <WLBI> great, thank you all.. :-)
 Thx for the great update!
 goodnight all!
 😊
 good night
 Great update
 Thanks a lot
 anyway to track battery draining in E4.5 devel?
 50% in 12 hours almost without use
 hum, I'm thinking that maybe owncloud app could be stucked. I don't say anything yet
 😆
 @j2g2rp, You might have a process consuming more CPU than usual. Does a reboot fix it? Go to adb shell and see what top is telling you before and after
 On my N5 it's upstart (5%).
 @Flohack, I'll check. Thx Florian
 @j2g2rp, Could it be the battery app giving a false reading?
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 @bastos777, Thanks for your hints.  It's the first time I tried to flash a Phone und I'm not too familiar with the procedure. I'm a Linux User for 2 years now, but not too comfortable with the Terminal..so have patience on me.😊 … The next couple of days it's Family time, so #FP2 Restauration has to wait, but when I'm on it I let you know .
 @Jens, If you want, we could go to private messaging. But I am going to bed now. So for the time being try to install your #FP2 with the ubports installer you can find here: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases
 But pleas chose the rc channel, not the stable or devel.


[00:00] <neversfelde> probably best to upload it to our beta ppa or staging?
[00:02] <neversfelde> maco: did not know people.ubuntu.com, I will upload it there
[00:02] <neversfelde> thanks for the hint
[00:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Thanks.
[00:29] <ScottK> Very much so
[01:22] <freeflying> Riddell: no
[01:22] <Riddell> morning freeflying
[01:23] <Riddell> freeflying: Quintasan says he can't get ibus working with qt but can get uim working, what's your experience in lucid?
[01:26] <Zorael> (Rather, neither work in kwrite/kate. I thought he got ibus running after using im-switch towards his real locale and not ja_JP.)
[01:26] <freeflying> Riddell: I hve no problem to get it work
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: have you tried it with a locale other than your usual one?
[01:31] <freeflying> Riddell: my usual one is en_US.UTF-8 :)
[01:43] <Riddell> shtylman: kdm theme looks good
[01:44] <Riddell> I do think that K logo could be replaced with a kubuntu logo, that would keep everyone happy who wants more kubuntu artwork
[01:44] <Riddell> have you checked with nuno about this?
[01:45] <shtylman> Riddell: yea... and we have removed all logos altogether :) http://www.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm_latest.png
[01:46] <shtylman> he didn't much like the K
[01:46] <shtylman> I was indifferent and think the new version looks nice as well
[01:46] <shtylman> so yea
[01:46] <shtylman> hopefully tonight I will commit that to trunk
[01:46] <Riddell> shtylman: so.. when did you turn into an artist?
[01:46] <shtylman> still need to do one for user list
[01:46] <shtylman> haha
[01:46] <maco> i wouldnt object to the kubuntu logo...
[01:46] <shtylman> I used to do some graphics work back in the day
[01:47] <shtylman> but then gave that up for more hardcore development
[01:47] <shtylman> maco: easy to do if we (as kubuntu) decide to go that route
[01:47] <maco> pretty sure i dont have voting rights on anything though
[01:47] <shtylman> but upstream's stance is no logo if any kind... as of today... who knows...mabye tomorrow pinheiro will change his mind :)
[01:48] <shtylman> thats how artists are
[01:48] <shtylman> but yea...this kdm theme..and matching ksplash look great when you login
[01:48] <shtylman> cause it just "flows"
[01:48] <shtylman> makes shtylman very happy
[01:48] <Riddell> we still need a decent image for the top of the kickoff menu
[01:49] <Riddell> shtylman: is this KDM/ksplash theme planned to go upstream?
[01:50] <shtylman> no change to ksplash theme (cause I removed the k logo from the center) but yea
[01:50] <shtylman> the kdm theme is being committed as soon as I stop being lazy
[01:55] <Riddell> shtylman: to trunk but not branch presumably?
[01:56] <freeflying> Riddell: power manager in kubuntu broken?
[01:56] <shtylman> Riddell: not to branch as far as I know...cause it is too late
[01:56] <Riddell> yeah, so we're just backporting from trunk, that's all good
[01:56] <shtylman> cool
[01:57] <Riddell> freeflying: it can have an issue where the battery doesn't register, remove and replace battery is a workaround
[01:57] <freeflying> Riddell: but acpi event can't be monitored
[01:58] <freeflying> Riddell: like lid close event was ignored
[01:58] <Riddell> I don't know about that
[01:59] <Riddell> shtylman: where are the latest files?
[01:59] <shtylman> my laptop
[01:59] <Riddell> shtylman: able to send to me for packaging?
[02:00] <shtylman> Riddell: yea... lemme boot it up and tar it
[02:04] <Riddell> shtylman: and yeah, the disk space used up for multiple copies of the same wallpaper is depressing
[02:04] <Riddell> I'm tempted to remove all but the largest from /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/
[02:06] <shtylman> Riddell: the problem with that is that then on first boot up the wallpaper might "jump" when the user sees their desktop
[02:06] <shtylman> we may not care...but I think it will be noticeable
[02:06] <shtylman> I think symlinks might be the solution
[02:06] <Riddell> symlinks from /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/ to /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais/
[02:07] <shtylman> to the wallpapers folder in there..but yea
[02:07] <shtylman> I would even say symlinks for the ksplash theme as well
[02:07] <shtylman> it has the same "problem"
[02:08] <shtylman> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/ethais.tar.gz
[02:08] <shtylman> thats the latest copy off my machine
[02:08] <shtylman> no logo
[02:08] <Riddell> yes /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/*/background.png
[02:08] <shtylman> yep
[02:10] <Riddell> also /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen-air/1920x1200.png
[02:10] <Riddell> and move /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen and /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/circles/ to kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[02:10] <shtylman> yep
[02:11] <shtylman> iirc all the themes (at least some) suffer from this
[02:11] <shtylman> its a major space waster
[02:11] <Riddell> it's also just bad coding, why can't kdm and ksplash use /usr/share/wallpapers
[02:12] <shtylman> if the files were in the right format there...maybe we can...actually...lemme try something
[02:14]  * claydoh wants a kubuntu logo in grub, in  ksplash, in kdm, kickoff, and even the mouse cursor :)
[02:15] <shtylman> Riddell: kdm can do it.. if the /usr/share/wallpapers images were names something like <anything>-resolution.png
[02:16] <Riddell> they're not
[02:16] <shtylman> right
[02:16] <shtylman> im saying if they were named something like that.. kdm (dunno about ksplash yet) can handle it
[02:16] <shtylman> what it does
[02:17] <shtylman> I give it an image prefix
[02:17] <shtylman> like background.png
[02:17] <shtylman> and it tries to find an image file with background-resolution.png (ie background-800x600.png)
[02:17] <shtylman> if it can...it uses it
[02:17] <shtylman> if it can't, it defaults to background.png
[02:17] <Riddell> well why doesn't it follow the same pattern as plasma does for its wallpapers, it's just silly
[02:18] <shtylman> the moral of this story is... if you change the names of the wallpapers in /usr/wahtever... it can work
[02:18] <shtylman> no idea
[02:18] <shtylman> cause it came before plasma
[02:18] <shtylman> and noone changed it maybe?
[02:18] <Riddell> probably
[02:18] <shtylman> if I didn't discover this prefix thing..I would have added the ability to specify a folder to it
[02:18] <shtylman> but then after reading the source I discovered that it does that
[02:19] <shtylman> and just went with that for no code change
[02:19] <shtylman> but realistically... specifying a folder is probly the better way to go
[02:21] <shtylman> part of the problem also comes down to how it lives in the repo
[02:21] <shtylman> maybe to not make too many assumptions about where files live on a person's computer?
[02:21] <shtylman> but for us...where cd space matters...its a big hit
[02:21] <shtylman> several megs all said and done
[02:21] <Riddell> I'm off out now, I'll probably get this packaged tomorrow
[02:22] <shtylman> thats alot of small libraries
[02:22] <shtylman> cool
[02:22] <shtylman> peace
[02:22] <Riddell> Peace in Portland
[02:22] <shtylman> nice
[02:41] <ScottK> Someone packaging KBluetooth 0.4?
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: already in lucid :]
[02:41] <ScottK> Excellent.
[08:50] <\sh> kwwii: happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy biiiirthday dear Kenneth, happy birthday to you :) Congrats young man :)
[08:52] <jussi01> \sh: I was about to comment same thing :)
[08:52] <jussi01> kwwii: Happy Birthday!
[08:54] <Mamarok> Happy Birthday Ken :)
[10:24] <ghostcube> Birthday ? Party ?
[10:24] <ghostcube> :)
[10:25] <Quintasan> Who's brithday?
[10:25]  * Quintasan wants a party
[10:26] <freeflying> Quintasan: you still have problem with qt+ibus?
[10:26] <Quintasan> freeflying: nope, solved
[10:27] <Quintasan> it was problem with im-switch setting XIM for pl_PL and ibus for jp_PL and I'm using pl_PL locale
[10:35] <Quintasan> urgh not nice
[10:36] <freeflying> Quintasan: actually, its very easy to use ibus, just select ibus in language-selector
[10:36] <freeflying> reboot, and it works
[10:36] <freeflying> like a charming
[10:37] <Quintasan> freeflying: charming? try puting kanji or even kana in kate
[10:37] <Quintasan> wont show it
[10:37] <Quintasan> and uim doubles the output but that makes less problems that not showing it at all
[10:39] <Quintasan> but I suppose it's a problem with Kate
[10:39] <freeflying> Quintasan: kate?
[10:39] <Quintasan> freeflying: text editor in KDE
[10:40] <freeflying> Quintasan: ic, why shall you uppcase the K? :P
[10:41] <freeflying> Quintasan: uim's architecture is very nice, but the ui is pretty sucks, not that straightforward like ibus/scim
[10:43] <Quintasan> freeflying: Shouldn't names be written in starting captial letter :O
[12:42] <Zorael> ibus ui is skeletal, features likewise. The kate/kwrite bug can be circumvented with uim by setting QT_IM_MODULE=xim, whereas using ibus it doesn't work at all.
[13:15] <daskreech> I"m on Lucid and I have this strange Green overlay for my windows
[13:17] <ScottK> Oddly your IRC nick is green on my client.  I wonder if it's catching.
[13:24] <daskreech> It isn't easy being green
[13:30] <daskreech> Also my splash screen is the same one as default for Koala
[13:30] <daskreech> which is kinda strange since on Koala after I upgraded to KDE 4.4 I got the new snazzy splash screen
[13:31] <Tm_T> 1530.09 <+Myrtti> anyone using Konversation anymore? sebsebseb reports that quiets show up on it as giving channel ownership
[13:32] <Tm_T> can anyone confirm?
[13:38] <tsimpson_> Tm_T: try muting me
[13:39] <tsimpson> Tm_T: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tsimpson/owned.png confirmed
[13:39] <Tm_T> roger
[13:39] <tsimpson> with 1.2-0ubuntu3
[13:39] <Tm_T> same in mandriva
[13:40] <Tm_T> whops
[13:41] <tsimpson> thanks ;)
[13:41] <Tm_T> thanks
[13:59] <siegie> daskreech: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3109633.msg216992#msg216992 use workarround number 2 in this post. to get the 4.4 splash screen background.
[14:00] <daskreech> siegie: thanks
[14:08] <claydoh> tsimpson: what have you gotten me into ? :)
[15:26] <allee> digikam
[17:36] <genii> the_goat: Yup, for aggregating connections, failover, etc
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/f33ec7bdf <- About to commit that to trunk :)
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> erm, perhaps pastebinit doesn't support images
[18:22] <Quintasan> @_@
[18:22] <Quintasan> oh wow
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/RcHUf7.html
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> KStatusNotifierItem is sexeh
[18:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: KDE trunk?
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah
[18:25] <Riddell> nice
[18:26] <Lex79> how to fix that mess please? http://pastebin.ca/1776015
[18:26] <Lex79> :(
[18:26] <Riddell> use bzr break-lock lp
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I had a question. The context menu for the applet has a "hide" entry, but with KStatusNotifierItem you can manually control the hidden status for all icons (hide/show/auto) from the tray plasmoid config. Can we get rid of that menu item and let the plasmoid take care of things?
[18:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that makes sense
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> KStatusNotifierItem gives us a lot of lovely stuff for free. :)
[18:27] <Lex79> I have to use: bzr break-lock lp-64863248:///~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock
[18:27] <Lex79> ?
[18:28] <Riddell> just "bzr break-lock lp" I thought
[18:28] <Riddell> but I could be wrong
[18:29] <Lex79> no doesn't work :(
[18:29] <Riddell> what about the one you have above?
[18:30] <Lex79> doesn't work :(
[18:30] <Lex79> it says: bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-64863248:///~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock"
[18:30] <Riddell> let me try
[18:31] <Lex79> thanks
[18:31] <Quintasan> hm is the error with Python API version known?
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: in karmic?
[18:32] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: yup
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: needs sip/kdebindings backport
[18:32] <tsimpson> try using: bzr break-lock lp:~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock
[18:33] <Lex79> tsimpson: works
[18:33] <Lex79> thanks :)
[18:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: so sip OR bindings or BOTH? :P
[18:33] <Riddell> Lex79: done
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> both
[18:33] <tsimpson> bzr is a strange thing
[18:33] <Lex79> yeah
[18:33] <Quintasan> T_T
[18:34]  * Quintasan grabs source then
[18:34] <Quintasan> hmm I think it's pointless
[18:34] <Quintasan> We are backporting 4.4?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1084221
[18:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: shall I apply it to kdeutils 4.3.98?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: that'd be nice
[18:36] <Quintasan> wont be hard too I gues
[18:37] <Quintasan> urgh
[18:37] <Quintasan> S key stopped working as it should
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: wait, I have an l10n fix
[18:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: no worries, still grabbing the source :P
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: prob. can just download rev 1084222 of printer-applet.py after quilt adding the file
[18:39] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: push to bzr to?
[18:39] <Quintasan> too*
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:40] <Quintasan> hurr durr
[18:40] <Quintasan> damn lp
[18:41] <Lex79> Quintasan: you forgot to bump build-deps sometimes
[18:41] <Lex79> same for neversfelde
[18:41] <Quintasan> Lex79: where did I?
[18:41] <Lex79> in some packages
[18:41] <Lex79> in bzr
[18:41] <neversfelde> Lex79: where?
[18:42] <Lex79> well see my changes in bzr
[18:42] <Quintasan> this is sooo annoying, you build, it works you go "YAY uploading" and then this @_@
[18:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: thanks, sorry for trouble
[18:42] <neversfelde> i checked everything with bzr diff and in theory it should be ok :)
[18:43] <Quintasan> theory
[18:43] <Quintasan> almost nerver == practice :P
[18:45] <Quintasan> It's just me or LP is down?
[18:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: this file usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.kcontrol.kcmremotewidgets.policy can go in kdelibs5-data ?
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: yes
[18:54] <Lex79> neversfelde: ^^ forgot...I'll add
[18:56] <neversfelde> so why did list missing not show this file?
[18:57] <Lex79> yes it did here
[18:59] <Lex79> also in ppa's buildlog
[18:59] <Lex79> -- Installing: /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.3.98/debian/tmp/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.kcontrol.kcmremotewidgets.policy
[19:00] <Lex79> btw it's not a serious problem, don't worry :)
[19:02] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: seven hours to season premiere in US this night right? I want come in your home !!!!  :(
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> :D
[19:02] <Lex79> uff
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> they're doing a review show of the past seasons too
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> 1 hour before
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> So I get 3 hours of lost in 8 hours
[19:03] <Lex79> I know
[19:03] <Lex79> same here but it starts 10th february :(
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> :(
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> So it's an Italian dub?
[19:04] <Lex79> no, Italian language
[19:04] <Lex79> they are very fast
[19:04] <Lex79> same for Flash Forward
[19:04]  * JontheEchidna wonders what and Italian Jack would sound like
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> *an
[19:04] <Lex79> eheh :)
[19:05] <Lex79> only with Fox on Sky
[19:07]  * Quintasan hands cookies to JontheEchidna
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> om nom
[19:07] <Quintasan> Seems to build fine, now to check if it was even applied :P
[19:10] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I updated the phonon patch, phonon-backends needs rebuild?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I don't think it does
[19:11] <Lex79> ok
[19:11] <Lex79> Riddell: Qt 4.6.1 in bzr and I bumped all build-deps for that
[19:12] <Riddell> Lex79: groovy
[19:12] <Riddell> Lex79: I'm working on getting RC 3 uploaded, I thought I'd write a script for the job so it's taking a bit longer than usual
[19:13] <Lex79> Riddell: also, grab soprano from ninja ppa, it's ftbs due to missing Qt 4.6.1 in ninja
[19:13] <Riddell> Lex79: I'd like to set qt's input method to ibus so I'll add a patch for that and upload 4.6.1 sometime today
[19:13] <Riddell> Lex79: ok
[19:13] <Lex79> ok
[19:13] <Quintasan> awsome
[19:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: uploading
[19:17] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/367764/ what am I doing wrong?
[19:17] <Riddell> why does that end up with 'kdemultimedi' ?
[19:17] <Riddell> it's missing the last letter
[19:19] <Lex79> maybe you forgot to add an "
[19:19] <Lex79> ah no
[19:19] <Quintasan> argh
[19:21] <Riddell> oh, strip isn't doing what I thought it was doing
[19:27] <tsimpson> Riddell: foo.replace("-"+version+".tar.gz", '') should work
[19:29] <genii> So it was also stripping off the leading " as well as the a
[19:31] <tsimpson> strip removes leading and trailing characters
[19:31] <tsimpson> it's usually used to remove white-space
[19:32] <tsimpson> " hello world \n".strip(" \n") == "hello world"
[19:33] <Quintasan> ruby?
[19:33] <tsimpson> python
[19:34] <Quintasan> oh
[19:36] <Quintasan> finally
[19:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ppa'd and bzr'd
[19:39] <Lex79> Quintasan: fix the changelog please
[19:40] <Lex79> in bzr I mean
[19:41] <Quintasan> Lex79: ... don't tell me I uploaded wrong one
[19:41]  * Quintasan is frustrated
[19:41] <Quintasan> I'd better not touch anything else today
[19:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: It's alright to leave the version as is or I shall merge them?
[19:43] <Lex79> should be 0ubuntu1 UNRELEASED
[19:43] <Lex79> so drop 0ubuntu2
[19:43] <Lex79> and put your changes in 0ubuntu1
[19:44] <Lex79> "under 0ubuntu1" I mean
[19:44] <Quintasan> Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1776120
[19:44] <Quintasan> Lex79: just to make sure :]
[19:45] <Lex79> and add "add quilt to builddepends"
[19:45] <Lex79> but it's fine
[19:45] <Lex79> :)
[19:46] <Quintasan> okay
[19:46] <Quintasan> pushed
[19:46] <Quintasan> if it's still wrong then throw stones at me
[19:46] <Lex79> nooo :)
[19:52] <neversfelde> how to install a docbook manpage when using dh --with kde $@? Or do I have to convert it in another format?
[19:52] <Riddell> override_dh_installman:
[19:52] <Riddell>   docbook command
[19:52] <Riddell>   dh_installman
[19:52] <Riddell> something like that
[19:53] <neversfelde> thanks
[20:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: s/jr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> doh
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> remind me to do all this hacking before feature/string/final freeze next time :P
[20:38] <Lex79> Uploading qt4-x11_4.6.1.orig.tar.gz: 156442k/156443k[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[20:38] <Lex79> ;(
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> D:
[20:43] <Quintasan> ohshi-
[20:43]  * Quintasan pats Lex79
[20:43] <Quintasan> poor Lex79
[20:43] <Lex79> sigh :(
[20:44] <Quintasan> that's why I dont do kdegames
[20:44] <Quintasan> :P
[20:44] <Quintasan> poor connection of mine + big uploads == no good
[20:44] <Lex79> eheheh yes
[21:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: would you have a look at the new choqok packaging http://people.ubuntu.com/~neversfelde/ ? It is also in bzr, unforunately I used debcommit and the description there is a little bit confusing now :).
[21:58] <Riddell> neversfelde: you gave up on docbook manpage then?
[21:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: I could not figure out, how to do it and the old manpage was very old
[21:58] <neversfelde> it was the one from our first package
[22:03] <Riddell> neversfelde: doesn't need the build-dep on docbook2x I guess
[22:03] <neversfelde> ah yes, forgot it
[22:07] <Riddell> neversfelde: ug, splash screen
[22:08] <Riddell> hmm, "do you want to add an account?" OK takes me to Behaviour
[22:08] <debfx> Riddell: this is the meta bug for the firefox kde integration from opensuse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510
[22:10] <Riddell> neversfelde: no identica support?
[22:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: same problem here
[22:10] <Riddell> hmm, twitter has locked me out for 60 minutes
[22:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: it is called StatusNet now
[22:11] <Riddell> aah
[22:11] <maco> identi.ca is still identi.ca
[22:11] <maco> laconi.ca is now status.net though
[22:11] <neversfelde> maco: you can connect to any StatusNet server, not only identi.ca with this option
[22:11] <neversfelde> so I guess the name is correct
[22:11] <maco> oooooh shiny
[22:12] <Sput> wasn't it alwas called StatusNet?
[22:12] <Sput> the software, I mean
[22:12] <Riddell> nope was laconi.ca
[22:12] <Sput> my cell phone client has had the StatusNet option for half a year at least :)
[22:12] <Riddell> choqok has an overuse of notifications, I know I just posted an update I don't need to be notified about an action I did
[22:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: anyway, I'll upload?
[22:13] <maco> hehe
[22:13] <maco> i like the "combine updates into one bubble" option for the notifications
[22:13] <maco> then its 1 bubble per account
[22:13] <debfx> Riddell: it has been broken down into bugs addressing the individual integration features, but the patch is still one blob
[22:13] <neversfelde> Riddell: this version is more complete then the one from debian, so I am for it
[22:14] <Riddell> thanks debfx
[22:14] <neversfelde> Sput: no, it was laconica before, it was renamed some month ago
[22:15] <neversfelde> I will ask mtux to disable the splash screen by default
[22:16] <Riddell> it also suffers from pointless systray icon syndrone but maybe that's just my prejudice
[22:17] <daskreech> I wonder if it can become a icon if it's closed and not be one otherwise
[22:18] <daskreech> I says like I care since I don't have a systray
[22:20] <neversfelde> I think the use of systray icons is matter of taste. Some people love it, some hate it :)
[22:20] <Sput> Riddell: I like the tray icon, but it still renders the number of unread messages wrongly
[22:20] <ryanakca> Hurray, bangarang got sync'd
[22:21] <Sput> so right now I see a giant "3" which has nothing to do with the actual unread count :)
[22:21] <Riddell> not yet ryanakca, it's still sitting in the to-be-syned directory
[22:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/bangarang/1.0-1 ? Or is a package not successfully sync'd until it gets built?
[22:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, spooky
[22:27] <daskreech> Is konversation supposed to be using 97% of my CPU ?
[22:28] <Riddell> yes, it's a feature intended to keep your lap warm through the cold winter months
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: Qt bug
[22:29]  * daskreech looks out at his Caribbean skies and considers a localization patch
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6281
[22:30] <daskreech> Man
[22:30]  * daskreech grovels back to irssi
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.6.0 is the buggiest Qt release evar
[22:31] <nixternal> evah?
[22:31] <nixternal> you don't remember Qt 2 do you? :)
[22:32] <nixternal> though, the bugs in 4.6.0 I will call one of the most annoying times for sure
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> http://evar.urbanup.com/3658746
[22:32] <daskreech> Yeah that was like KDE 4.0 all over again
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> inexcusable, imo. They even congratulated themselves for releasing early
[22:33] <nixternal> lol
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm, this openoffice update frees 9 MB disk space, even after installing a new lib...
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> not that I'm complaining
[22:34] <Riddell> I might spin new CDs to see how that and the network-manager change helps
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> Will ktorrent get back on the CD at least for i386 if we can manage the space?
[22:36] <nixternal> I think it needs to be on there...I did a presentation this week, and everyone, no matter what desktop environment they were using, said KTorrent is by far the best client there is...that was pretty cool
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> especially since torrent is the preferred method of getting *buntu isos
[22:38] <nixternal> just for a couple of days unfortunately...I noticed this just the other day, I decided to grab ISOs via torrent for Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, Arch (which didn't work at all), and I think Mandriva....dude, I could have walked to each server, copied the ISOs over to 30 floppy discs much quicker
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> btw, merging and uploading this branch will free another 20 kb in space on the livecd, and potentially fix a bug: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/apport/packagefix
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> since I can't imagine 2x notifications for things will be good
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> how will the update-notifier-kde -> kubuntu-notification-helper upgrade be handled? does update-manager have magic for that?
[22:44] <Riddell> kubuntu-notification-helper is part of the meta package so that'll get installed by the dist upgrade tool
[22:44] <Riddell> and for its last step it should ask if you want to remove old packages like update-notifier-kde
[22:52]  * JontheEchidna fakesyncs kopete-facebook and polkit-qt
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> polkit-qt-1 too
[22:56] <Lex79> bah, again
[22:56] <Lex79> Uploading qt4-x11_4.6.1.orig.tar.gz: 156442k/156443k[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[22:56] <Lex79> I'll wait the Riddell's upload then
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> grr, I can't upload to polkit-qt-* since they're in main...
[23:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what happened to your main application?
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should be ready to send actually. I just got caught up with school (not a bad thing, surprisingly)
[23:05] <nixternal> haha, a head hunter emailed me about a job one of his clients has...so I called him, and he described a job at Canonical, and I asked, is this for Canonical? He said he couldn't tell me who the client was...He read some more, which was read word-for-word from the Career page for Ubuntu...so I told him the job, the title and everything, and he was like, "Oh, you have already heard of it?" seriously I hate head hunters
[23:08]  * JontheEchidna searches for what to do next for his core-dev app
[23:08] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: you could always pay me to give you a good vote :p
[23:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: add it to the tech board agenda?
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is it too late to make changes to kdeutils before the 4.3.98 upload?
[23:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: dunno my upload is progressing but very slowly
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1084373
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> fixes a crash with the --show option, and makes running it without that option work as expected
[23:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go for it
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> I would, but LP is molasses and I can't get the tar. I suppose I'll get it off of ktown
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> slow as treacle ;-)
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, pushed
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you have any hints on how to go about making the printer-applet gui not load before it is needed?
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm, might not be too hard to figure out
[23:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: look at the code for the gtk one, but there's a cups signal that it waits for before it loads the gtk stuff
[23:53] <Riddell> so it starts with just a glib mainloop
[23:55] <Riddell> roar, bzr-buildpackage decided not to include the .orig in the .changes file for qt
[23:56] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: are you working on kaffeine-pre3 ?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: nope
[23:57] <Lex79> ok I'll do


[14:10] <brendand> elopio, did you see that problem?
[14:13] <elopio> brendand: can you write a test that does global rect in a loop and checks that it's always the same?
[14:13] <elopio> this definitely has nothing to do with the sdk.
[14:14] <elopio> the problem has to be between autopilot and the shell. gerry did a hack on globalRect to take into account the indicators bar. That might be related too.
[14:16] <elopio> brendand: also, I didn't bring a mako. Can you reproduce that on krillin?
[14:17] <brendand> elopio, haven't tried on krillin yet. will do
[14:17] <elopio> brendand: if you make a branch with the test, I can debug on krillin here.
[14:33] <brendand> elopio, yeah i'll aim to do that by eod
[14:43] <elopio> pitti: do you have a link to the snappy specs you mentioned?
[14:44] <pitti> elopio: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oNYSBInP9CW1tJNnixiddPnPEah0_XMOTPaaLzltoVc/edit
[14:44] <brendand> elopio, indeed it doesn't fail on krillin
[14:44] <elopio> brendand: crazy shit.
[14:44] <brendand> elopio, maybe i'll go take some drugs, see if it makes sense then
[14:44] <elopio> I should have brought my mako.
[14:44] <elopio> brendand: drugs are always the way!
[14:45] <pitti> elopio: under "snappy security for snaps"
[14:45] <brendand> elopio, i know but i keep getting in trouble when i put them on my expense report :/
[14:46] <brendand> elopio, i'll go back to mako now and see what i can figure out
[14:51] <elopio> brendand: if you get that loop failing reliably, please send an email to veebers and gerry.
[15:04] <brendand> elopio, i'm thinking now it's to do with the indicator bar
[15:08] <elopio> brendand: what gerry did was basicaly to patch the globalRect so it adds up the bar size in case it's visible.
[15:08] <flexiondotorg> elfy, Are you available?
[15:08] <brendand> elopio, something is wrong with that
[15:08] <elfy> flexiondotorg: I am
[15:09] <brendand> elopio, some assumptions were made based on krillin i guess
[15:10] <brendand> elopio, i need to investigate more before i can explain it properly
[15:10] <elopio> brendand: this sounds interesting. Thanks for taking care of it, I would have never imagined globalRect being wrong.
[15:10] <brendand> elopio, it looks like in some circumstances the test runs with a different gu setting?
[15:10] <brendand> elopio, and then it works
[15:10] <elopio> brendand: ohhh
[15:11] <elopio> brendand: we are patching the gu for the test.
[15:11] <brendand> elopio, oooooh
[15:11] <brendand> :o
[15:11] <elopio> but the gu used to get the size of the globalRect shouldn't be patched.
[15:11] <elopio> hum
[15:12] <elopio> brendand: ok, if you are sure that's the problem, then it makes sense to do the test at a lower level.
[15:12] <elopio> don't use autopilot at all.
[15:12] <brendand> elopio, you're using the InitCtlEnv fixture to set that?
[15:12] <elopio> brendand: yes.
[15:13] <elopio> or an alternative would be to restart unity so it takes the new GU.
[15:13] <brendand> elopio, yeah it works if unity restarts
[15:15] <brendand> elopio, ubuntu-ui-toolkit so far doesn't have any python unit tests right?
[15:15] <brendand> elopio, was trying to find a place to put a unit test but didn't see any
[15:16] <elopio> brendand: I would put it in the same place, just not inherit from autopilot.
[15:16] <brendand> elopio, ok
[15:16] <elopio> I knew I was doing something stupid.
[15:23] <brendand> elopio, but it seems we have uncovered a problem though so maybe working around it isn't ideal?
[15:23] <brendand> elopio, doesn't this show an issue with gerrys code?
[15:23] <elopio> brendand: yes, it's a known hack that they need to remove.
[15:23] <elopio> brendand: let me try to find more information.
[15:24] <brendand> elopio, i mean i can easily write a unit test and get this landed but it seems like it's not the whole story
[15:24] <elopio> if I remember correctly, this will miserably fail when we have non-maximized windows.
[15:25] <elopio> brendand: for now, this is not going to bite us. But maybe it raises the priority for them to remove the hack.
[15:26] <elopio> brendand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1422523
[15:27] <elopio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1346633
[15:38] <brendand> elopio, have a look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/grid_units_unit_test/revision/1422 and tell me if you think it's adequate...
[15:39] <elopio> brendand: it's good.
[15:41] <brendand> elopio, ok to overwrite your branch?
[15:41] <elopio> brendand: my branch is owned by the team. It means you can do with it anything you like.
[15:42] <brendand> elopio, well yes. but #courtesy :)
[15:42] <brendand> ok now to wait for jenkins results
[15:43] <brendand> hopefully it won't be too difficult to land the other two branches from here
[15:43] <brendand> elopio, this problem won't impact the other merge proposals?
[15:44] <elopio> brendand: no. This only means that we will be able to express the y from the bottom in gu.
[15:45] <elopio> in the tests with a gu env var change, we restart unity.
[15:56] <brendand> elopio, would be good to get your review for https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/grid_units/+merge/248980 again
[16:01] <elopio> brendand: +1. You can ping timp to get a review.
[16:01] <elopio> he's the one who requested this.
[16:14] <t1mp> brendand, elopio: I'll check it
[16:26] <t1mp> brendand: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/grid_units/+merge/248980 looks good
[16:26] <t1mp> brendand: if it is done like this, I'll top-approve
[18:33] <brendand> t1mp, there were some flake8 issues in https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/grid_units/+merge/248980, fixed now, if you can re top-approve
[18:40] <jodh> elopio: hi - no idea what errors you are referring to, but have you read the snappy test doc yet? https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1R_Tw0N0QbEpjFeYf9XnVV8Gp8ldT2Ig0PO6MfR-kuSM/edit#heading=h.axacykx0hozl
[18:46] <elopio> jodh: I haven't. Thanks for the pointer.
[18:46] <elopio> jodh: I was just wondering what kind of errors have you encountered while running tests manually. Like links to a couple of bugs you have reported would be nice.
[18:54] <balloons> elfy, wow, so the images are still having issues? This is what you get for going away
[18:59] <elopio> nuclearbob: do you have a link to the current sprint's backlog? I can't find it.
[18:59] <nuclearbob> elopio: there's the sprint backlog lane here: https://trello.com/b/8dD0UPNl/qa-stakeholders-backlog
[18:59] <nuclearbob> that's the one I have
[19:03] <elopio> nuclearbob: found it https://trello.com/b/YDGg3VF0/sprint-2015-qa-6
[19:04] <nuclearbob> elopio: oh, thanks. That's useful
[19:04] <jodh> elopio: take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/10817742/. I'll add some more details to the gdoc above on the upgrader as it may be useful to you...
[19:04] <elopio> jodh: that's perfect, thanks.
[19:07] <elopio> jfunk: I'm going to add to the CI backlog a card for running the ubuntu-ota-tests.
[19:07] <jfunk> sure ping when it's ready
[19:07] <jfunk> let's talk about it
[19:07] <elopio> Ursinha: can you please remind me of the process? Should I just add a card, or tell you and ev first?
[19:08] <jfunk> elopio: I'd also like to talk about how to run them regularly until they are up and running in CI
[19:09] <elopio> jfunk: should be the same as the sanity. But probably it becomes too much for only one person to run it all, so we might need to rotate.
[19:09] <elopio> nuclearbob: how much time is it taking for you to run the sanity daily?
[19:09] <jfunk> and where are the results
[19:09] <jfunk> nuclearbob: ^
[19:11] <nuclearbob> elopio: I've been running it while I'm running power stuff on another device. Right now the results are just stored locally, but one of my tasks today is creating a spreadsheet to upload that. My existing results are formatted to go into it, and I'll link it before I EOD
[19:16] <jodh> elopio: see "Further Information" at the end of https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1R_Tw0N0QbEpjFeYf9XnVV8Gp8ldT2Ig0PO6MfR-kuSM/edit#
[19:17] <elopio> sorry, wrong button.
[19:17] <elopio> jodh: got it. Thanks!
[19:34] <t1mp> brendand: okay. I happroved https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/grid_units/+merge/248980 again
[19:46] <jodh> elopio: fyi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy-ubuntu/+bug/1424586
[21:26] <Ursinha> elopio: send us an email and we'll get to you asap :)
[22:20] <veebers> hey, re: the provisioning in the doc, for the sanity tests it's expected that the networking is setup before being run, but the notes say the opposite
[22:24] <elopio> veebers: the sanity is able to provision the network.
[22:24] <elopio> what we discussed here after looking the provisioning script for boottest is that the least CI does during provisioning, the better for us.
[22:25] <elopio> because on that script they are disabling the wizard, which we want to test. And they are making the image writable, which we don't want to do.
[22:26] <veebers> elopio: the readme in the sanity suite states: The test suite requires that a network is available to download the test
[22:26] <veebers> dependencies (see `Setup the network using phablet-network`_).
[22:28] <elopio> veebers: there must be a network for the phone to connect to. But if the phone is not connected to that network, we can call the sanity with --network so it connects.
[22:29] <elopio> veebers: actually, lets roll back. Do you think setting up the phone network should be a task of the provisioning tool, or a task for the test?
[22:30] <veebers> elopio: there needs to be a network connection before the tests right, for adb to d/l all the req. deps.
[22:30] <elopio> veebers: it depends on how you define a test. When does the test start, when we run ubuntu-sanity-test, or when we run adt-run?
[22:30] <elopio> we need the network to be set up before adt-run. But not before calling ubuntu-sanity-test --network.
[22:31] <veebers> elopio: well, I would say that the tests are called 'test_<blah>' anything else is the wrapper :-) So maybe the wrapper should provision the network before adt-run gets called
[22:32] <veebers> I had failed to realise that there was the --network option
[22:32] <elopio> veebers: right.
[22:32] <elopio> so we have two types of provisioning.
[22:32] <elopio> there are three steps:
[22:32] <veebers> so ultimately either phablet-netowrk or --network needs to get called
[22:33] <elopio> 1. get me a free device, mako, devel, image #
[22:33] <elopio> 2. set up the job: set up the network, create the config file.
[22:34] <elopio> 3. run the test.
[22:34] <elopio> what we discussed was that step 1 is CIs job.
[22:34] <elopio> steps 2 and 3 are our job.
[22:35] <veebers> elopio: when you say "set up the job" is that the header for the next 2 steps or are you saying that we'll create the jenkins/whatever job config and have to maintain that?
[22:36] <elopio> but there are many other ways to split the three steps. So your input here is useful.
[22:36] <elopio> veebers: hum, yes, I guess taking care of step #2 will also mean that we maintain the jenkins job
[22:38] <elopio> at least now it's clear that this section in the document needs to be cleared :)
[22:38] <veebers> elopio: that makes me a little nervous as that's outside our normal operations (creating, maintaining jenkins job) but perhaps that's just because we haven't needed to yet
[22:38] <veebers> yeah :-)
[22:38] <elopio> veebers: what I would like to know is where do you think that the line between CI and QA should be.
[22:39] <veebers> a suggestion would be for us to provide a mechanism (a script I guess) that generates a config file and you pass it the serial, the wifi details.
[22:39] <veebers> so then CI could create a job that does 1. then calls this script passing the details needed, then runs the test
[22:40] <veebers> I'm not sure if either team as a 'decree' or whatever, but my (possibly incorrect) understanding is that CI is tasked with automating established test suites (among other things of course)
[22:42] <elopio> veebers: that sounds ok. We give CI all the commands needed to run the test.
[22:42] <elopio> and they put it in a job.
[22:43] <veebers> elopio: right, we should work closely with them though, I don't like the idea of throwing this stuff over the wall and expecting them to sort it out (and vice versa)
[22:44] <elopio> veebers: yes, I agree with everything you have said.
[22:45] <elopio> veebers: the problem we found was that steps 1 and 2 were in the same script, not easy to modify.
[22:47] <veebers> right, we should be able to resolve that easily though
[22:47] <elopio> so we didn't actually discussed how step 2 should be. Just that they should be separated.
[22:49] <elopio> veebers: on the case of boottest, it's actually not that easy. The script they have is pretty big.
[22:51] <veebers> elopio: remind which the boottest is?
[23:03] <elopio> veebers: the boottest flashes a device, and uses adt-run to execute "ls" in the device.
[23:03] <veebers> elopio: ah right, I was a little confused which test it was (still thinking of the sanity tests)


[00:00] <tomreyn> cryptodan_mobile: your system boots, though, right?
[00:00] <cryptodan_mobile> my system boots but once the drives have activity it hangs then filesystem is corrupt
[00:00] <tomreyn> hmm ugly
[00:01] <cryptodan_mobile> and the flush journal systemd service fails
[00:01] <cryptodan_mobile> reboot and now no boot and the drives are offlined
[00:02] <tomreyn> can you try to get your firmware version for bios + controller + disks (also disk models)
[00:03] <tomreyn> not so much for me but for anyone who might be going to triage it
[00:04] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1653162 looks related, too
[00:04] <cryptodan_mobile> funny how 4.4 on 14.04 never had this
[00:05] <tomreyn> this was hwe?
[00:05] <cryptodan_mobile> and yeah ill get a pic of my bios and firmware and drive info
[00:05] <cryptodan_mobile> it didnt have hwe in the kernel file name
[00:05] <tomreyn> 14.04 comes with linux 3.13
[00:06] <tomreyn> linux 4.4.0 is xenial's default kernel image
[00:06] <cryptodan_mobile> yup
[00:06] <tomreyn> so it's unclear how you had linux 4.4 on 15.04
[00:07] <tomreyn> *14.04
[00:07] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/linux-image-generic-lts-xenial would give you 4.4.0 on 14.04 though
[00:08] <tomreyn> maybe just add "cat /proc/version" and "cat /proc/cmdline"
[00:08] <cryptodan_mobile> it was available via apt-get
[00:10] <oerheks> via HWE most likely?
[00:11] <tomreyn> sure, the linux-image-generic-lts-xenial package would be available via apt
[00:11] <tomreyn> !hwe
[00:11] <oerheks> hwe-support-status --verbose
[00:12] <cryptodan_mobile> i cant even login to it via console
[00:12] <oerheks> boot a live iso and fix the partitions
[00:12] <tomreyn> oerheks: i dont have this command on 16.04, is this something one has on 14.04?
[00:12] <oerheks> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Check_your_support_status
[00:13] <tomreyn> cryptodan_mobile: i guess it's best not to touch those disks too much for now if you intend to keep the data
[00:14] <tomreyn> must be 12.04, file does not exist on trusty https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=hwe-support-status&mode=exactfilename&suite=trusty&arch=any
[00:15] <oerheks> oh, i c
[00:15] <tomreyn> there is ubuntu-support-status, though
[00:16] <oerheks> i was hoping it was a smart check, silly me
[00:16] <tomreyn> ...which gives correct output if you're on 14.04.5
[00:32] <cryptodan> RAID Firmware: Controller BIOS V2.8-0 [build 6082] Raid BIOS Version: 25704 AIC-7890 Seagate ST3300007LC
[01:15] <blackflow> RoyK: can it be worse than PHP in production? :)
[01:18] <null_r3f> I am able to access the web server on an ubuntu server with an IPv4 address. When I look at netstat for listening sockets I see apache listening on “:::80” and the protocol is tcp6. Does that make sense?
[01:22] <sarnold> null_r3f: what addresses did you configure apache to listen to?
[01:31] <cryptodan> wouldnt that indicate its listening on all since 0's are removed in IPV6 addressing
[02:00] <whislock> Yes.
[02:00] <whislock> [::]:80 is the typical binding notation for ss -l when a process is listening on all interfaces.
[02:04] <whislock> cryptodan: More to the point, :: is the "unspecified" address in IPv6, similar to <IP_ADDRESS> in IPv4.
[02:05] <cryptodan> yes
[02:05] <cryptodan> the :: means there are 0's there instead of bits
[02:05] <sarnold> but does :: *also* mean <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:05] <cryptodan> yes
[02:05] <whislock> sarnold: Technically, no.
[02:05] <sarnold> I recall reading an openbsd rant about how stupid it was that linux did that
[02:06] <sarnold> or did NOT that
[02:06] <sarnold> I can't recall
[02:06] <cryptodan> it does
[02:06] <sarnold> but I've got a huge list of :::22 and <IP_ADDRESS>:22 and :::80 and <IP_ADDRESS>:80 and on and on on my lapto...
[02:06] <cryptodan> https://www.tutorialspoint.com/ipv6/ipv6_special_addresses.htm
[02:07] <whislock> sarnold: Correctly speaking, a process bound to :: is not bound to an IPv4 address space. It may still receive IPv4 traffic due to IPv6-mapped IPv4 addresses.
[02:07] <whislock> These will appear as ::ffff:x.x.x.x in logs.
[02:08] <whislock> Functionally, it's a distinction without a difference.
[02:20] <hashwagon> How much RAM would you suggest I give residential NFS/SMB fileserver for three intermittent users?
[02:21] <sarnold> depends what those users are doing.. video editing would probably benefit from a lot more than just streaming videos would
[02:22] <hashwagon> saving text files, documents, lite picture storage.
[02:23] <sarnold> if that's al lthis machine does I'd wild-guess two to four gigs would suffice
[02:23] <hashwagon> Thanks
[03:16]  * cryptodan thinks his server is needing a new motherboard
[05:40] <cryptodan> thank you all for helping me, but I think my servers motherboard is dead / dying.  It is now doing it in Ubuntu 14.04
[12:48] <johnlage7> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[13:27] <X-Seti> spambots... grrr
[13:29] <X-Seti> I have a number of server related questions. as I have followed a tutorial on how to install the perfect server for 18.04, mysql doesnt stop and apache doesn't even error on .php, not sure what the problem is..
[13:39] <compdoc> the tutorial was based on 18.04?
[13:44] <tomreyn> 'perfect server' sounds like a falko timme tutorial
[13:46] <tomreyn> X-Seti: you should probably discuss which tutorial you're using
[13:51] <TJ-> Do we have any vagrant ERB template experts about?
[13:55] <compdoc> you really want to insult them first?
[14:05] <tomreyn> the vagrant ERB template experts?
[14:12] <TJ-> There aren't many about; been in the #vagrant channel for hours there's not even a mouse in there!
[14:16] <tomreyn> maybe they prefer trackballs
[14:17] <whislock> Or trackpoints, if they're deviants.
[14:17] <compdoc> my bad, I guess 'vagrant' means something other than a homeless person - lol
[14:20] <TJ-> compdoc: LoL! just seen how you could misinterpret what I typed
[14:22] <tomreyn> doh, i didnt get this either
[14:24] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagrant_(software) is what i was thinking of, and apparently TJ-, too.
[14:27] <TJ-> I've got a weird issue where the resulting Vagrantfile doesn't expand the template @box_name variable
[14:27] <TJ-> seems to be no documentation on templating, only a blog article announcing templates for 2.02
[14:29] <tomreyn> in case it's an ERB temlplate syntax issue, this should be the same as for puppet: https://puppet.com/docs/puppet/latest/lang_template_erb.html
[14:30] <tomreyn> https://github.com/Shopify/erb-lint
[14:35] <TJ-> it doesn't seem to be, it just doesn't expand the <%= @box_name %> - just gives an empty string
[14:35] <TJ-> I stuck a debiug print in there and it reports the value correctly
[14:46] <tomreyn> that's weird, after all it's a language  (ruby), not application, specific parser, which should handle these templates.
[14:59] <TJ-> yeah, I've /finally/ solved it. The blog example shows using " config.vm.box = "<%= @box_name %>" " which fails, but removing the @ prefix works. My first dive into Ruby and specifically ERB (Embedded RuBy) and the obtuse cryptic syntax is ridiculous
[15:02] <TJ-> The template was also failing to 'see' shell env-vars but that seems to be solved now as well... only taken 5 hours  :)
[15:04] <tomreyn> :-/ not a fun task
[15:22] <TJ-> no, and it's one of those things where it hits a major issue at every step. Now the network config doesn't appear to be read correctly!
[15:56] <Tux|> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[15:56] <Tux|> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[15:56] <Tux|> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[17:45] <DWSR> Anyone know if you can use MaaS to deploy VMs to the same machine as is running the rackd?
[18:53] <DWSR> Hey all, I'm trying to get the Ubuntu cloud images via uvtool on 18.04 as described in the Wiki, but `uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync` is hanging indefinitely and `uvt-simplestreams-libvirt query arch=amd64` returns nothing. Is this broken on 18.04 or did I miss something?
[21:10] <cryptodan_mobile> Regarding my server issue. I think I found the culprit a drive that had older firmware then the others
[22:26] <SlowJimmy> rsync -avcr --filter='- /media/hddrand/backup/home/' /media/hddrand/backup/ /media/targethdd
[22:27] <SlowJimmy> this is my restoration commmand to bring back my ubuntu server....running ubuntu18.04 is this filter for somereason not working?
[22:27] <SlowJimmy> because it always copies over all files and folders i exclude with filters