[10:34] <hatter> yeah much better without superkaramba
[10:34] <ardchoille> :)
[10:34] <hatter> i think dual core cpus would be necessary for beryl and superkaramba
[10:34] <ardchoille> hatter: You got a superkaramba module doing sysinfo stuff or something?
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: nice blog
[10:35] <hatter> ardchoille, yes
[10:35] <ardchoille> hatter: I thought so
[10:35] <Jucato> DaSkreech: thanks
[10:35] <Jucato> although I made an error earlier :/
[10:35] <sbucatino> AVE channel
[10:35] <hatter> shame, superkaramba is a nice addition
[10:36] <ardchoille> hatter: Yeah, sk is nice.. maybe you should find a different module to d what you want, one that isn't so resource intensive.
[10:37] <hatter> ardchoille, right
[10:37] <hatter> ardchoille, i will thx :)
[10:37] <ardchoille> hatter: http://www.kde-look.org has lots of sk modules
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Jucato: by proclaiming love for blue?
[10:37] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no. by saying Berlin instead of Belgium :/
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Ah :0
[10:37] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[10:41] <jimmacdonald> level1 are you still around?
[10:54] <emilsedgh> commit digest is not there yet, I cannot wait!
[10:54] <_4strO> Jucato: can you give the blog url again plz
[10:55] <Jucato> _4strO: which blog?
[10:55] <_4strO> [10:35]  <DaSkreech> Jucato: nice blog :)
[10:55] <_4strO> the nice one
[10:55] <emilsedgh> jucato.org :P
[10:55] <_4strO> ok thx
[10:56] <emilsedgh> Jucato: _4strO means Jucato's Data Core ;)
[10:56] <Jucato> aah
[10:56] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/blog
[10:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: love your kde blog entry :)
[10:59] <Jucato> hehe thanks :)
[11:01] <DaSkreech> Night all
[11:02] <ardchoille> nn DaSkreech
[11:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you're late
[11:02] <DaSkreech> very
[11:02] <DaSkreech> I hve work in 3 hours
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Heard about the OO.o split ?
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Well fracas :)
[11:11] <Fleck> anyone can help set up kde4?
[11:12] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[11:12] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[11:12] <leon> Does anyone know when Gutsy is released?
[11:12] <Jucato> Oct. 18
[11:13] <Jucato> 2007 of course
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> Hey guys, what does
[11:13] <Fleck> ;p
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> >g++ -pedantic -Os -c TestScite.cpp -o TestScite.o
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> sh: g++: not found
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> >Exit code: 127
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> mean?
[11:13] <Fleck> Yz85Racer install g++
[11:13] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: you haven't installed build-essential
[11:13] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[11:13] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:13] <Jucato> (which takes care of GCC plus a few other things
[11:13] <leon> g++ was not found i.e. not installed
[11:13] <Jucato> different replies, same answer :)
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> Fleck
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> where do I download it?
[11:14] <Fleck> adept
[11:14] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: I just gave you the package name: build-essential
[11:32] <ichor_> I am trying to update my system, as far as can -- preferably to Feisty (or more?).  The problem is that I am working in KDE, and the support pages only explain how to upgrade when you are using Gnome.  Does anyone have any tips?  Thank you.
[11:32] <flaccid> !upgrade
[11:32] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:32] <flaccid> !upgrading
[11:33] <flaccid> there is a kubuntu specific guide somewhere. would help if they made it accessible
[11:34] <flaccid> just use adept, ichor_
[11:34] <ichor_> Thank you, uboto, but isn't it necessary to update incrementally?  In that case, I should first update to Edgy.
[11:35] <flaccid> no you can upgrade from anywhere
[11:35] <flaccid> there is no definitive guide for ubuntu/kubuntu so its all over the place in terms of doco
[11:35] <flaccid> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[11:36] <ichor_> Flaccid: can I just write "update to Feisty" or something like that, in Adept?
[11:36] <ardchoille> flaccid: All the upgrade guide4s I have seen say to upgrade one release at a time.. not go from Hoary to Feisty all at once
[11:36] <flaccid> ardchoille, thats because nobody has written a guide to upgrade like that. i've done it dozens of times.
[11:36] <flaccid> ichor_, no that i know of
[11:37] <flaccid> if you enable the fiesty repos... and do dist-upgrade it will take you to feisty. but i never recommend upgrading via gui as upgrades are rarely smooth anyway
[11:37] <ardchoille> # cp /etc/apt/sources.{list,list.bak}; sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:37] <flaccid> its merely a dif repos with more recent version of dif packages
[11:37] <ardchoille> ?? That's the hard way of doing it
[11:38] <flaccid> i didn't write the guide
[11:38] <ardchoille> Easier to: sed -i.backup s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:38] <flaccid> why is that hard, its one line ?
[11:38] <flaccid> ardchoille, update the wiki page then
[11:38] <ardchoille> You can use sed to make a backup and edit all at once
[11:38] <flaccid> cool
[11:47] <ichor_> What do I need to do to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy?
[11:48] <ardchoille> !upgrade | ichor_
[11:48] <ubotu> ichor_: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:49] <ardchoille> ichor_: I upgraded from Edgy to Feisty and it broke everything
[11:49] <Jucato> flaccid: the recommended upgrade path is to do it incrementally. that doing one big jump worked for you is great. but still the recommended way remains the same
[11:50] <Jucato> but again, it is after all, only recommended afaik.
[11:50] <bazhang> ichor_: best wait and skip straight to Gutsy (after 10/18, of course!). Feisty made me take a hiatus from Ubunut..
[11:51] <ichor_> I've got some X issues.  Figured an upgrade might help.
[11:52] <flaccid> Jucato, where can i read about this recommended way and who recommended it?
[11:52] <ardchoille> ichor_: upgrading to a beta release might cause more issues
[11:52] <Jucato> the devs. dunno if it's written in stone though. feel free to ask in #ubuntu-devel and #kubuntu-devel
[11:52] <Jucato> feel free to also prove them wrong if they are
[11:52] <Jucato> would be nice to probably skip releases
[11:52] <JimmyDee> if it aint broke, you ought not be diddlin with it
[11:53] <ardchoille> flaccid: The UpgradeNotes page says "Skipping versions is not advised and can cause a lot of damage to your installation."
[11:53] <JimmyDee> not skipping versions can cause major damage to your beer budget and hairline
[11:54] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:54] <ichor_> Thank you, uboto, but I already have all the papers from the link you gave me, printed out here in front of me.  They don't say much about how to upgrade from within a KDE environment.
[11:54] <Jucato> !thanks | ichor_
[11:54] <Jucato> hm.. slow...
[11:54] <ubotu> ichor_: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:55] <Jucato> there!
[11:55] <ichor_> Whatever.
[11:55] <ardchoille> !botsnack
[11:55] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[11:56] <ardchoille> Gee, it's fast when it comes to botsnacks ;)
[11:56] <JimmyDee> I just changed all the feisty's to gutsy and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:56] <flaccid> link to upgradenotes please
[11:56] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[11:56] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:56] <ichor_> Neither Edgy nor Feisty are considered "beta releases" any more, are they?
[11:56] <Jucato> !update
[11:56] <Jucato> ichor_: nope. only gutsy is still beta
[11:56] <ardchoille> ichor_: The only beta right now is gutsy
[11:56] <flaccid> hmm that just looks like more community doco to me. i could just edit it
[11:56] <flaccid> ah well
[11:56] <flaccid> ubuntu is mess
[11:57] <ardchoille> If you edit the docs and change from that which is recommended, you could be sending a lot of readers down the wrong path
[11:57] <Jucato> ichor_: if you followed the links for each upgrade on that UpgradeNotes page, you would see instructions for Kubuntu (that's KDE)
[11:58] <Jucato> ardchoille: fell on deaf ears
[11:58] <ichor_> Well, what I want to do is first to update from Dapper to Edgy.  If I still experience any X problems, I will probably continue and update to Feisty.
[11:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: :(
[11:59] <ardchoille> ichor_: What is the problem with x?
[11:59] <ardchoille> It's possible you can fix it and the wait until the 18th
[12:00] <ichor_> I'm messing around trying to merge Enlightenment with KDE.  Probably stupid, but.....
[12:01] <bazhang> ichor_: sounds like fun!
[12:01] <JimmyDee> doesnt it automatically give you a E-KDE session when you install enlightenment?
[12:01] <ardchoille> ichor_: Changing the window manager should have been easy
[12:01] <ichor_> Jucato: on the pages mentioned above, there are no links to instructions on how to upgrade from withing KDE.
[12:01] <ardchoille> enlightenment --replace
[12:02] <Jucato> ichor_: Kubuntu = using KDE
[12:02] <ardchoille> ichor_: If the docs are all terminal commands, it matters not which desktop you are using
[12:02] <Jucato> FOr Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-d8c4cd1dd987e54723fef2760b37f9279487551f (there was no simple GUI way to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy back then)
[12:03] <ichor_> Yes, that's easy, but the X server doesn't like Enlightenment, and goes down occasionally, with less fun debugging as a result.
[12:03] <Jucato> For Edgy to Feisty: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#head-6146e7b1dd7a50f5029fd0704e38cad9420c000a
[12:03] <bazhang> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade-2x?
[12:03] <ichor_> Thank you, Jucato!
[12:04] <ardchoille> bazhang: lol
[12:04] <bazhang> ardchoille: whazzup? do you never log off or sleep?
[12:05] <ardchoille> bazhang: Sleep? What's that?
[12:05] <bazhang> ardchoille: hahahahaha
[12:05] <ardchoille> bazhang: log off? from my machine? or irc?
[12:06] <ardchoille> my machine, no.. reboots are for Windows. From irc, yes.. occasionally
[12:06] <bazhang> ardchoille: irc..haha..I know better than to ask about your computer--isn't it welded to you?
[12:06] <ardchoille> How did you know? :)
[12:06] <ardchoille> bazhang: You think I'm bad..  Support pages stress that the alternative way to upgrade  using apt-get  is Not Recommended. They probably know what they're talking about. Are there other alternatives?v
[12:10] <Jucato> ichor_: it's only not recommended for Ubuntu. but on Kubuntu there is no other way (at least for Dapper to Edgy)
[12:10] <Jucato> but let me see if I can find something
[12:10] <ardchoille> ichor_: I seriously doubt that upgrading is going to fix your elnightenment/kde problem.
[12:10] <ichor_> Worth a shot.
[12:11] <ardchoille> You don't understand how wm's and de's work then
[12:11] <ichor_> Nope.
[12:12] <ichor_> Didnt't Dapper have a bad reputation concerning X?
[12:12] <ichor_> I understand some of it.
[12:13] <ardchoille> If it did, I never saw it. I think Dapper was the best release so far.. I never had a single problem in it and I ran different wm's in gnome and kde
[12:14] <ichor_> So you'd recommend that I keep on going with Dapper, then?
[12:14] <hosein> hi
[12:14] <hosein>
[12:14] <ardchoille> ichor_:  As opposed to upgrading to a beta release? Yes
[12:15] <ichor_> But are Edgy and Feisty beta releases?
[12:15] <ardchoille> no
[12:15] <ichor_> So???
[12:16] <chx> if i suspend to ram and come back, nor ktorrent nor konvesation can't connect to any http host any more and kopete fails to log in to MSN. Apparently something needs to be restarted, but what
[12:16] <JimmyDee> maybe /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[12:16] <Bun> Hey guys, wonder if you can help meh, just installed the ATI Restricted drivers but after the restart my screen is totaly corrupted when it laods the desktop, screen is just compelatly green with bright green lines. can i reverse the isntall from recuvery?
[12:17] <JimmyDee> yes
[12:17] <Bun> cool, is there a guide on how to do this? i havnt been able to find one.
[12:18] <JimmyDee> boot to recovery then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <Bun> ah right, ill try that thanks
[12:18] <JimmyDee> then select ati
[12:18] <JimmyDee> nof fglrx
[12:18] <JimmyDee> not
[12:19] <Bun> ok
[12:19] <chx> JimmyDee: ah. i just did a dhclient eth0
[12:20] <JimmyDee> that getcha workin?
[12:20] <chx> JimmyDee: i do not know but I will try next time :)
[12:21] <chx> another question. let's suppose i go over gutsy and it ... just does not work. is there a way to come back to feisty in the worst case without having any external media?
[12:21] <JimmyDee> always have external media
[12:21] <ardchoille> no
[12:21] <chx> OK, then i will get some DVD-R from some shop (I am abroad with a laptop) and burn a kubuntu dvd
[12:22] <chx> how shall I proceed , then,  to revert an aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:22] <JimmyDee> I think it starts with a little program called parted
[12:22] <ardchoille> chx: Once you upgrade, there's no coming back unless you reinstall from media
[12:23] <chx> UH
[12:23] <chx> I think I will not go gutsy for several months then
[12:23] <chx> it'd be way too dangerous
[12:24] <JimmyDee> in the windows vernacular...F...O...R...M...A...T
[12:24] <chx> or maybe not...
[12:24] <chx> home is on another partition than /
[12:24] <JimmyDee> thats handy
[12:24] <chx> am I right that in this case an OS reinstall won't fry my data
[12:25] <JimmyDee> got postgresql or mysql goin on?
[12:25] <chx> I am pretty experienced with all this but in 2005 I managed to render a laptop unbootable and since then i am very cautious
[12:25] <chx> i have both but no valuable data in them
[12:25] <ardchoille> chx: as long as the installer doesn't format /home you should be ok
[12:25] <chx> I am just testin' stuff w/ them
[12:25] <Bun> Jim you said not to install fglrx, is there another driver i can use to get accelerated GFX and desktop effects?
[12:26] <JimmyDee> I was just stopping the problem bun
[12:26] <chx> is the graphics install (non-alternative, i mean) is as controllable as the alternative?
[12:26] <chx> i always used the alternative before
[12:26] <Jucato> nope
[12:26] <Jucato> the Desktop CD installer is very very basic
[12:26] <chx> okay then i will stick to alternative
[12:26] <chx> that works very well for me
[12:26] <ardchoille> the alternate cd installer is much better
[12:27] <JimmyDee> if they could just get it to ask all the questions then do the install on its own
[12:27] <chx> I was brought up without a GUI, often I feel GUIs cumbersome and awkward compared to CLI . A rare exception is knetworkmanager , big kudos to the authors, i loathed setting up wpa.
[12:28] <ardchoille> Eventually I'd like to see the installer be able to allow the user to choose additional packages to install during the install
[12:28] <JimmyDee> eww, that reaks of redhat
[12:28] <chx> RHEL is the devil's own without a doubt
[12:29] <ardchoille> Hmm.. that may not be a good diea.. would make it more than 1 disk
[12:29] <ardchoille> yeah
[12:29] <JimmyDee> give me the absolute base install and I'll build you a system
[12:29] <ardchoille> JimmyDee: indeed
[12:29] <ardchoille> ignore my bad ideas
[12:29] <chx> at least for a decade i always used Debian on my servers but now my workplace rents servers and they have RHEL on them.
[12:30] <chx> and despite I use Linux on my desktop/laptop for three years, I still find some hidden tricks here and there
[12:31] <JimmyDee> I want an install that asks me all the questions that its gonna ask then installs, and preferably the base system in less than 10 mins
[12:31] <chx> like getting my laptop to suspend to ram. and restore. that involves removing and reloading kernel modules... but still, it works, great.
[12:32] <chx> the only reason i want to go to gutsy is that i hope a newer kenel will give me less grief about this
[12:32] <JimmyDee> it only asks like 9 questions, why cant it get all that up front so I can take a coffee during the install?
[12:33] <chx> JimmyDee: interesting idea
[12:33] <JimmyDee> something like saaaay, unattended install?
[12:41] <mosiac> hi im having a little trouble with divx
[12:42] <daminator> hi
[12:42] <daminator> i have kubuntu 7.10
[12:42] <daminator> will this tutorial work?
[12:42] <daminator> http://www.ubuntufreunde.de/forum/241/beryl_mit_ati_grafikkarte.html
[12:42] <daminator> it's about installing beryl with ati on ubuntu
[12:43] <daminator> or what lines i have to adapt to kde/kubuntu?
[12:43] <stdin> daminator: beryl is dead
[12:44] <stdin> daminator: compiz-fusion is what you want
[12:44] <daminator> is there a tutorial for ati cards?
[12:44] <daminator> i have the orginal ati drivers
[12:45] <stdin> daminator: I think all you need to do is install the ati driver then install compiz-fusion, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion < just ignore the repositories part
[12:45] <daminator> original sorry^
[12:45] <daminator> okay thank you i'll give a try :)
[12:46] <stdin> daminator: you'll get better help in #ubuntu+1 the gutsy support channel :)
[12:46] <anton_> hi my sound doesnt work for a few days now, since i have updated the system
[12:47] <mosiac> i followed the restricted formats wiki article but from there i seem stuck
[12:47] <anton_> alsaconf is succesfull but it doesnt work yet and mixer is also ok
[12:48] <anton_> ive reinstalled all packages which i found with keyword alsa
[12:48] <anton_> and it doesnt work yet
[12:48] <ardchoille> !sound
[12:48] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:53] <mosiac> im looking for some kubuntu speed tweaking can i follow ubuntu tutorials for the same thing for the most part
[12:57] <apparle> is there anything similar to KMix
[12:58] <apparle> any volume control applet
[12:59] <anton_> alsamixer
[12:59] <apparle> I use OSS
[01:00] <apparle> ALSA doesnot work for me
[01:02] <apparle> anton_: Do u know anyother volume applet
[01:03] <anton_> kmix
[01:04] <apparle> anton_:except kmix
[01:04] <anton_> no
[01:04] <anton_> search in adept
[01:05] <apparle> i donot have net at home. Please search it for me
[01:06] <apparle> anton_: i donot have net at home. Please search it for me
[01:09] <anton_> ermixer
[01:09] <apparle> anybody else knows a volume control applet other than Kmix
[01:11] <JimmyDee> gnome-alsamixer lol
[01:12] <jussi01> How do I get my sound in firefox/flash to pipe out my ubs headset? (not my laptop speakers)?
[01:12] <apparle> anton_:does ermixer work with OSS
[01:13] <apparle> JimmyDee:I want a applet for OSS drivers
[01:19] <apparle> JimmyDee: Is there a stable one
[01:23] <apparle> When I run Kmix in CLI ,I get an error with libasound.so. Help
[01:24] <JimmyDee> www.google.com apparle
[01:27] <apparle> jimmyDee: What do u mean? Another thing when i install alsalib it starts working but when i restart it again stops. Then  I have to install alsalib again
[01:29] <JimmyDee> I mean google OSS MIXER PROGRAM
[01:29] <JimmyDee> surely you have a browser
[01:31] <toxicfume> Can someone please help me? I just installed Kubuntu, when i was running it off the liveCD, my wireless pci adaptor was working fine, but after i installed kubuntu to my harddrive, it can't seem to see the wireless card anymore, i can't seee any access points listed at all, can someone  please help me?
[01:32] <apparle> jimmydee: yes. I will do it. But I am sitting on public computer with Win XP. i am happy with Kmix if anybody can solve this problem
[01:32] <JimmyDee> well get on the public computer's internet exploder and google you some goods
[01:33] <apparle> jimmydee: i can very well use XP. See if u can solve the Kmix problem
[01:34] <JimmyDee> is alsa starting at boot time?
[01:35] <apparle> jimmydee: I use OSS drivers as ALSA does not work for me
[01:37] <toxicfume> Can someone please help me? I just installed Kubuntu, when i was running it off the liveCD, my wireless pci adaptor was working fine, but after i installed kubuntu to my harddrive, it can't seem to see the wireless card anymore, i can't seee any access points listed at all, can someone  please help me?
[01:39] <apparle> immydee: I use OSS drivers as ALSA does not work for me
[01:40] <toxicfume> anyone?
[01:46] <xenol> i got problem with ntfs-config
[01:46] <xenol> when i tick to support writing on ntfs it starts to mount my ntfs disk but it won be done cause of some error
[01:48] <d3sp0t> Hello
[01:49] <d3sp0t> anyone online?
[01:49] <d3sp0t> need some help with splashy...
[01:49] <sbucatino> mm
[01:49] <sbucatino> :D i want kill compiz i don t want this compiz...damned gutsy
[01:49] <d3sp0t> I get Error Code: -2 when i try to run splashy test
[01:50] <d3sp0t> anybody? :)
[01:50] <sbucatino> boo :D that's my answer
[01:51] <Jucato> sbucatino: kwin --replace
[01:51] <Jucato> to get kwin running again
[01:51] <sbucatino> o thanks
[01:51] <d3sp0t> sbucatino, that really solves the problem, thank u :P
[01:52] <bentob0x> how can I change the default sound card for sound output in Kubuntu?  I have two soundcards and I want firefox to output the sound on the second one (it's currently outputting on the first one)
[01:54] <d3sp0t> pick that sound card when running alsaconf
[01:55] <bentob0x> is there no quick switch possible?
[01:56] <bentob0x> or make it that both soundcards get the same sound
[01:56] <sbucatino> d3sp0t: :P
[01:57] <sbucatino> Jucato: that works thanks a lot
[01:57] <d3sp0t> dunno about that bentob0x
[01:57] <Jucato> sbucatino: no prob
[01:57] <sbucatino> :D i am happy now it works faster
[01:59] <sbucatino> Jucato: sorry if i disturb you..but is there  chat of kubuntu ?
[01:59] <Jucato> sbucatino: what do you mean? this is #kubuntu
[02:00] <Jucato> this channel is the (English) Kubuntu user support channel
[02:00] <sbucatino> Jucato: yes but like a bar channel
[02:00] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:00] <sbucatino> ok
[02:00] <sbucatino> thanks
[02:01] <Jucato> you might find #ubuntu-offtopic more alive though... not sure...
[02:02] <sbucatino> Jucato: the last thing then i leave you to your business what do you think about this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567016? it a converter audio video...i you want answer well if not never mind
[02:03] <Jucato> I'm not really sure. I don't actually do multimedia conversions so I wouldn't have any opinion about it. sorry
[02:04] <sbucatino> ok :D
[02:04] <sbucatino> thank a lot
[02:08] <bazhang> Jucato: nice onions on that blog!
[02:08] <Jucato> hehe yeah
[02:08] <Jucato> spreading the onion love! :D
[02:09] <bazhang> #4 on google search
[02:09] <Jucato> lol seriously? search on what term?
[02:09] <bazhang> gutsy +upgrade +path
[02:09] <Jucato> O.o wth?
[02:09] <bazhang> impressive...
[02:10] <Jucato> haha not here though :)
[02:10] <bazhang> mind if I post a link?
[02:10] <Jucato> no problem at all
[02:10] <bazhang> http://jucato.org/blog/onions-kubuntu-gutsy-beta/   read and be enlightened!
[02:11] <Jucato> lol
[02:11] <Jucato> ok I thought you were going to post a link to the google search results :)
[02:11] <bazhang> oops
[02:11] <bazhang> !ot
[02:11] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:11] <bazhang> on myself..haha
[02:12] <chn> is there any video programme that contains AV mode ?
[02:12] <bazhang> chn: as in video editing? cinelerra perhaps?
[02:12] <dhq> how do i mount iso on usb
[02:13] <bazhang> dhq: to what end?
[02:13] <chn> bazhang:  I connected my satellite reciever to my tv card I need a programme to see it
[02:13] <dhq> bazhang, well i have a linux iso i want to boot from my flashdrive
[02:14] <bazhang> chn: so you want to set up a myth box?
[02:15] <bazhang> dhq: have you seen this: http://pendrivelinux.com/
[02:15] <chn> yes
[02:15] <dhq> bazhang, nope will have a look
[02:15] <bazhang> chn: avermedia card?
[02:16] <chn> bazhang:  no La conte but chipset is philips saa7134
[02:16] <chn> tv card is La Conte Deluxe.
[02:16] <dhq> bazhang, is there kubuntu for pendrives
[02:17] <bazhang> dhq: same deal just use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu...
[02:17] <dhq> Bauldrick, how
[02:17] <dhq> bazhang, well i dont want to reboot my pc
[02:18] <dhq> bazhang, i just want to install it on my flash
[02:18] <bazhang> dhq: well if memory serves, then you have to install the iso to the pen drive, then make sure that your bios boots from the first; I did this a while back and it
[02:19] <chn> bazhang:  will you help me  :(
[02:19] <bazhang> is all in the terminal.. sorry for the page break--new keyboard..haha
[02:19] <dhq> bazhang, i dont know
[02:19] <bazhang> cihan253: I'm trying to recall how to do that--I have a friend who set up a myth tv
[02:21] <bazhang> dhq: oh, ok, well then you want to make a bootable flash drive for use on the road or for another computer--did you look at the instructions on that site--they are fairly clear.
[02:21] <cihan253> thank you bazhang I am here
[02:21] <dhq> bazhang, well i will do it
[02:21] <bazhang> dhq: it is not that bad--if I can do it, then you surely can..haha
[02:22] <dhq> bazhang, ok
[02:22] <bazhang> cihan253: have you read up on the myth setup before?
[02:22] <cihan253> no
[02:22] <dhq> bazhang, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/   they say you need to rebbot
[02:23] <dhq> reboot
[02:24] <bazhang> cihan253: a prerequisite for this is knowing what kind of box you want to set up, where you will save the input to, etc.; you should probably get some background before you ask the more specific questions there is a set up called Mythbuntu--if you google it then they will answer most of your questions I imagine. not as easy as installing a single program to read the input, though.
[02:25] <bazhang> dhq: and the problem with rebooting is..?
[02:25] <dhq> bazhang, i reun servers i cant do this
[02:25] <dhq> *run\
[02:26] <bazhang> dhq: ok, well then you will have to choose a distro that allows you to install from the liveCD to a pendrive--currently Ubuntu/Kubuntu does not afaik. There are others though.. want to go to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[02:29] <bazhang> dhq: ?
[02:29] <Jucato> not really, until you called me I wasn't even looking
[02:29] <Jucato> but now I am
[02:29] <bazhang> well, yes, kubuntu is a fine distro to run for an iso boot (all on topic..nothing to see here)..
[02:30] <ardchoille> lol
[02:34] <Bauldrick> ?
[02:35] <bazhang> jpatrick: hi!
[02:35] <toxicfume> Can someone please help me? I just installed Kubuntu, when i was running it off the liveCD, my wireless pci adaptor was working fine, but after i installed kubuntu to my harddrive, it can't seem to see the wireless card anymore, i can't seee any access points listed at all, can someone  please help me?
[02:35] <jpatrick> bazhang: afternoon
[02:35] <Bauldrick> dhq - you asked me how? how what?
[02:36] <toxicfume> I have 2 wireless cards, a Linksys and a Netgear, both do that
[02:36] <Keetmo> morgen
[02:37] <bazhang> morning!
[02:38] <bazhang> toxicfume: this is Feisty?
[02:39] <toxicfume> bazhang: yup, fiesty
[02:39] <bazhang> toxicfume: and they worked fine in Edgy or Dapper?
[02:39] <toxicfume> bazhang: never tried
[02:40] <toxicfume> weird thing is
[02:40] <bazhang> toxicfume: do you have an ethernet connection?
[02:40] <toxicfume> it works fine in the livecd, but after i install it onto my hard drive, it stops working
[02:40] <toxicfume> bazhang: yes i do
[02:41] <bazhang> toxicfume: can you try that? You may need to download the drivers for your card, or first you might want to try configuring them in Knetwork manager.
[02:42] <toxicfume> bazhang: they're just not listed in the knetwork manager
[02:43] <bazhang> toxicfume: ok. how about seeing if the ethernet connection works?
[02:43] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i'll have to wait to try that
[02:44] <toxicfume> but i'm pretty sure ethernet will work fine, because it's listed in knetwork manager
[02:44] <bazhang> toxicfume: are you comfortable using the command line?
[02:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: it wont freak me out :P but i wouldn't know what to do unless u tell me to
[02:45] <OpenSorce> okay......wlan1 works fine in kubuntu 6.06 but not in 7.10....I hate beta software....and of course dhcpcd isn't included by default
[02:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: will you be here in about 3 hours?
[02:46] <bazhang> toxicfume: sadly, yes. I have no life...haha
[02:46] <OpenSorce> oh good bazhang is here....he knows everything :-)
[02:46] <bazhang> OpenSorce: about borking people's boxes..then yes..haha
[02:46] <OpenSorce> haha
[02:47] <OpenSorce> bazhang, need to get my wlan1 working....
[02:47] <toxicfume> bazhang: lol :P okay then i'll msg you again then
[02:47] <bazhang> toxicfume: I'll be waiting, with bells on...
[02:47] <OpenSorce> it sees it.....it tries to connect dhcp then it doesn't assign an ip to it and nada
[02:48] <bazhang> OpenSorce: want to follow me to #ubuntu+1?
[02:48] <bazhang> for Gutsy, right?
[02:48] <toxicfume> bazhang: thanks a lot man!
[02:48] <OpenSorce> yeah
[02:48] <bazhang> toxicfume: I await thee..
[02:49] <stdin> hsystem-x: don't spam
[02:49] <hsystem-x> thats what you are doing :)
[02:50] <stdin> umm, no, I'm not
[02:50] <sbucatino> !off-topic
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <stdin> !ot
[02:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:50] <sbucatino> thanks xD
[02:53] <ellen_> gotta hell kid?
[03:10] <adlisyakir> hye why my azuseus it's not work... because it's say 'you're not connect to any pear while downloading'
[03:12] <SlimeyPete> adlisyakir: ask in #azureus-support
[03:39] <sbucatino> =( i can t use wacom wheel
[03:46] <gringo3> hi, how can i update the list of ips that can join my host?
[03:47] <ubuntu_> somebody can help me?
[03:48] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: maybe. Ask your question, and we'll answer if we can.
[03:48] <ubuntu_> I can not read a ntfs partition
[03:48] <ubuntu_> ?
[03:48] <sbucatino> !ntfs
[03:48] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:48] <ubuntu_> permission denied is the error
[03:49] <sbucatino> ubuntu_: use ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:49] <ubuntu_> kubuntu
[03:49] <sbucatino> ubuntu_: ok when i have permission problem i made this:
[03:49] <ubuntu_> I only need read the partition
[03:50] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: is it on an external device?
[03:50] <ubuntu_> yes
[03:50] <sbucatino> ubuntu_: sudo konqueror  and i set the permission
[03:50] <ubuntu_> i m running a live cd kubuntu 7.04
[03:51] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: so you booted the live cd but want to read from the computer's hard drive?
[03:51] <ubuntu_> yes
[03:51] <WaltzingAlong> sbucatino: kdesu konqueror maybe be a better route though maybe not by much ;)
[03:51] <ubuntu_> exactly
[03:52] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: you may be able to use pmount and pumount to mount the device
[03:52] <sbucatino> WaltzingAlong: boo i have found out this way and i use =) i hate chmod
[03:53] <ubuntu_>  kdesu konqueror, resolve my problem!
[03:53] <ubuntu_> thanks!
[03:53] <bazhang> yess!
[03:56] <sbucatino> what's the difference among kdesu and sudo
[03:56] <stdin> !kdesu | sbucatino
[03:56] <ubotu> sbucatino: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:00] <sbucatino> well i will never muck ip config file =) i am not a masochist
[04:00] <sbucatino> stdin: thanks =)
[04:13] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[04:13] <elkang> hey all
[04:15] <boris> my file icons are much smaller than by default, how do i change it ?
[04:16] <Jucato> in Konqueror? View -> Icon Size
[04:20] <boris> no, on the desktop
[04:23] <deviance> !info mono
[04:23] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[04:23] <deviance> !mono
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mono - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <vegas513> hi everybody, linux noob with a few questions/problems
[04:33] <vegas513> i just installed 7.10
[04:33] <vegas513> and i'm trying to add firefox
[04:34] <vegas513> but everything that's not installed already on adept is just grayed out and i can't click on it
[04:34] <stdin> gutsy help is in #ubuntu+1
[04:34] <vegas513> also, bigger problem...nothing's showing up besides kubuntu in grub
[04:35] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[04:35] <rysiek|pl> anybody here and willing to help with fighting against the dreaded KNetworkManager?
[04:37] <rysiek|pl> gah, all dead here now
[04:39] <elkang> not dead rysiek|pl:n: but cant help *gg*
[04:39] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[04:39] <BluesKaj> vegas513, have you edited your sources.list to enable universe/multiverse
[04:40] <Jucato> (gutsy should have all repos enabled, except for backports)
[04:40] <BluesKaj> depends how he upgraded
[04:41] <vegas513> no
[04:41] <vegas513> BluesKaj: how do i do that
[04:41] <BluesKaj> how did you upgrade to gutsy ?
[04:42] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | vegas513
[04:42] <ubotu> vegas513: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:47] <taki> buenas buenas!
[04:47] <taki> como anda gente
[04:47] <taki> necesito ayuda :S plz
[04:48] <Yorokobi> !es
[04:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:50] <BluesKaj> can someone tell me how to prevent unwanted spamming on konversation?
[04:51] <Jucato> what do you mean by "unwanted spamming"?
[04:51] <BluesKaj> I keep searching for a dcc setting that stops auto-accept messages but there doesn't seem toi be one
[04:52] <Jucato> PM's?
[04:52] <BluesKaj> Jucato, yeah i suppose
[04:52] <bahr> I just installed Kubuntu 7.04, and it runs very nice, but can somebody tell me how come, I can't install Thunderbird 2.0 but only can find thunderbird 1.5 when I search for it?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> Jucato, i get these PM messages on undernet without permission
[04:54] <Jucato> there might be a server setting to ingnore PM's... not really sure. you can ask in #konversation if there's a feature
[04:55] <fdoving> Jucato: can probably use /ignore
[04:56] <Jucato> fdoving: for PM's?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> thx Jucato , din't know #knoversation existed :)
[04:57] <fdoving> Jucato: i can do that in irssi, bitchx and epic, not sure about konversation.
[04:57] <Jucato> yep. that's why I sent him to #konversation :)
[04:58] <Jucato> I don't know either.. and as an op, I'm not allowed to /ignore (I think)
[04:59] <BluesKaj> I would just like to be able to either refuse or accept a PM
[04:59] <stdin> hey Jucato, did you know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCOperators ?
[05:00] <stdin> Jucato: heh, you must have, you're in it
[05:00] <Jucato> :P
[05:00] <Jucato> not reading I presume :P
[05:01] <stdin> it's funny what you can find from random clicks
[05:01] <ardchoille> lol
[05:04] <Brownout> stdin: the title is wrong, usually IRCops are server admins (staffers on freenode), "IRC Channel operators" or chanops is much better
[05:05] <serge> bonjour
[05:06] <stdin> Brownout: there's no spaces in wiki names, IRCOperators = IRC Operators  (and some freenode staff are ops on ubuntu channels)
[05:06] <chequers> hi all, when trying to ./configure mplayer, I get messages like this: `Checking for kernel support of sse ... failed. It seems that your kernel does not correctly support sse. To use sse extensions in MPlayer, you have to upgrade/recompile your kernel!`
[05:06] <chequers> I'm running gutsy gibbon beta, how can I update my kernel?
[05:07] <Jucato> chequers: #ubuntu+1 please. but the latest kernel for gutsy is already 2.6.22-13
[05:07] <stdin> !compile
[05:07] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:07] <stdin> and why are you compiling mplayer antway?
[05:07] <chequers> ok, thanks
[05:07] <Jucato> er.. didn't read the whole question :P
[05:07] <Jucato> chequers: why do you need to compile mplayer?
[05:08] <chequers> because I am compiling uncommitted patches into it
[05:09] <ardchoille> I have found that lots of people search their sources and don't find some things. They don't realise there are two other major repos (multiverse and universe) that they can enable and find more apps. This is one reason why I felt that uni and multi should have been enabled by default in Fesity
[05:09] <Brownout> I had problems playing dvds (-dvd-device option) with mplayer rc1, SVN solved
[05:09] <stdin> chequers: then you should probably do "sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer" to make sure you have all the build dependencies (and there are a lot of them)
[05:10] <Jucato> ardchoille: actually they are since feisty
[05:10] <Jucato> all repos since feisty are enabled by default, except for -backports
[05:11] <chequers> stdin: that shouldn't affect this detection should it?
[05:11] <Brownout> since it's a kernel issue...
[05:11] <stdin> chequers: it definitely can
[05:11] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, so they are.
[05:11] <chequers> heh, easy solution
[05:12] <Jucato> what's sse? do you need it in mplayer?
[05:12] <stdin> chequers: some header that may be required to detect a feature may not be installed
[05:12] <chequers> it's a CPU instruction set, and it's highly required for non slow decoding
[05:12] <Jucato> stdin:  the kernel might actually need to be recompiled I think...
[05:12] <Brownout> SSE are vector opcodes, an evolution of MMX
[05:13] <stdin> Jucato: for sse? seems odd
[05:13] <chequers> apparently I should be using the -generic kernel, can I swap to this without needing to reinstall?
[05:13] <Jucato> dunno actually
[05:14] <toxicfume> bazhang: hey, you around?
[05:16] <bazhang> toxicfume: sure am! just a minute I'm in #ubuntu+1 be right back!
[05:16] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i'll be here :)
[05:20] <bazhang> toxicfume: where were we? I forget...sorry..haha
[05:22] <toxicfume> bazhang: basically both my wireless pci adaptors dont get detected after i install kubuntu :(
[05:23] <toxicfume> now first i want to ask before we begin fixing it, should i put in both hte cards? or just one?
[05:23] <bazhang> toxicfume: right, and they worked in the livecd right?
[05:23] <toxicfume> bazhang: exactly
[05:23] <toxicfume> yes
[05:23] <bazhang> toxicfume: only one card should do it.
[05:24] <toxicfume> and which one should i rather put in? the Linksys or the Netgear
[05:24] <toxicfume> ?
[05:24] <toxicfume> ie. which would work easier/better
[05:25] <bazhang> toxicfume: well lets try the netgear first, no idea which will work better--this is for a desktop or a laptop?
[05:25] <toxicfume> it;s a desktop, they're both PCI cards
[05:25] <toxicfume> okay netgear is already installed and the machine is turned on, what do i do?:)
[05:26] <Creationist> When running Compiz, how do I make the taskbar only show applications for the CURRENT desktop?
[05:26] <bazhang> toxicfume: we doing this here or in pm?
[05:27] <toxicfume> bazhang: anywhere you like
[05:28] <fay_elf> Would love to c a real wifi setup
[05:28] <fay_elf> I only know ndiswrapper
[05:29] <toxicfume> bazhang: we can do it here so others can see it too incase they have the problem or have an input
[05:29] <bazhang> toxicfume: okey dokey.
[05:30] <sbucatino> ehm i have gutsy but exstra keys don t want work
[05:31] <bazhang> toxicfume: open up a terminal, and type in the following command: sudo ifconfig then type your password.
[05:31] <Hc\\> Hello, i managed to screw x, by installing wrong drivers for the graphic cards ( was going to put back from nvidias own to vesa). But i managed to take vga-drivers instead of vesa. And it lead to when i try to get x running it stops on "Reloading Postfix configuration". Anyone know howto reconfigure x?
[05:31] <Hc\\> And, sorry for jumpy text
[05:32] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i typed it, but my wireless connection is not visible there
[05:33] <bazhang> toxicfume: what did it say?  don't paste just paraphrase.
[05:34] <toxicfume> bazhang: it gave me eth0, eth0:vlah and lo
[05:34] <toxicfume> no wireless
[05:35] <Creationist> When running Compiz, how do I make the taskbar only show applications for the CURRENT desktop?
[05:35] <toxicfume> bazhang: btw i'm using 7.04
[05:35] <bazhang> toxicfume: ok. now what about the command lspci?
[05:36] <bazhang> toxicfume: that shouldn't matter..the cli stuff is pretty much the same for most of the releases.
[05:36] <toxicfume> bazhang: i've looked at that command before..but again i tried and it disaplyed nothing about the wireless
[05:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> if they changed the terminal commands every time there was a new release, no one would ever use it
[05:37] <bazhang> true.
[05:37] <bazhang> toxicfume--it should identify the card, though.
[05:38] <toxicfume> sudo lspci
[05:38] <toxicfume> that command?
[05:38] <toxicfume> nothing about my wireless card :(
[05:38] <kilrae> Creationist: pretty much, afaik, you don't, compiz and beryl use a different method of virtual desktops than kde
[05:39] <toxicfume> what should i do?
[05:39] <Creationist> kilrae: Does it work without Compiz, though?
[05:39] <kilrae> there does exist a patch for the kde taskbar that should make it support viewports, but i've never tried it
[05:39] <bazhang> toxicfume: okay, what about the command iwconfig
[05:40] <kilrae> i believe in the taskbar settings there is an option to show only windows from the current desktop
[05:40] <toxicfume> bazhang: it says no wireless connections (this is weird because my pci card is actually blinking it's green LED)
[05:41] <kilrae> i don't have the taskbar enabled because, alas, i am using beryl and it shows all windows
[05:42] <bazhang> toxicfume: okay, now lets try to get a dhclient--type the command sudo dhclient (card identifier here).
[05:43] <toxicfume> whats the card identifier?
[05:43] <bazhang> wlan0?
[05:43] <toxicfume> bazhang: no, it doesn't exist
[05:43] <toxicfume> there's only th0 and lo
[05:43] <toxicfume> *eth0
[05:44] <toxicfume> i think i should just take this netgear out and use the linksys?
[05:44] <bazhang> toxicfume: eth0 should be wireless--do you have two listings for wireless under the command ifconfig?
[05:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: i' pretty sure eth0 is the ethernet
[05:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: yes there is eth0 (ETHERNET) and lo (LOCAL LOOPBACK)
[05:46] <toxicfume> nothing else
[05:46] <bazhang> how many listings? toxicfume
[05:46] <toxicfume> those 2 listings
[05:47] <bazhang> toxicfume: is there a way for you to configure the card manually?  go to knetworkmanager and choose configure manually
[05:47] <toxicfume> bazhang: it's not even listed there
[05:48] <bazhang> toxicfume: do you need to check administrator settings?
[05:48] <toxicfume> bazhang: i doubt it :S this is really a very basic default installation
[05:48] <OpenSorce> bazhang, hey bro...
[05:48] <bazhang> OpenSorce: what's up!
[05:49] <OpenSorce> bazhang, looking for stuff to try out :-)
[05:49] <toxicfume> bazhang: if i just turn off the computer and switch to the linksys card, would it detect the card? or do i have to install a driver?
[05:50] <OpenSorce> bazhang, out of the box Gutsy doesn't have make essentials does it?
[05:50] <bazhang> toxicfume: well with no info on the card, I'm not sure how much I can help out--if you want to try and power down and then put int the other card, and see if that is recongnized with the commands listed in our previous discussion, then it's worht a shot--your call.
[05:50] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay, i'llt ry that :)
[05:50] <bazhang> OpenSorce: not sure about that one..
[05:52] <jimmacdonald> I'm in a bit of a quandry, This is the situation. I have a Kubuntu lappy, and now an Ubuntu desktop. Yeah good for jim. Now here's the dilema, When I am at home I want my wireless network up and configured BEFORE X starts, the reasons for this are numerous, remote desktop logins and nfs mounts being the two large culprits, but I would like to NOT have to wait if that wireless network isn't seen. What I am thinking about doing is writing a
[05:52] <jimmacdonald> script that does a iwlist -scan and greps for my wireless network then IF it finds it configure and run the nfs mounts. IF not die. Surely someone has already done this and if so what's the name of the program?
[05:52] <atlfalcons866> is gutsy stable enough to be used now?
[05:53] <jimmacdonald> atlfalcons866: I am running it now.. only unstable thing is the updates...
[05:53] <bazhang> and the sound
[05:54] <fay_elf> Ndiswrapper {windows driver under linux) is very simple
[05:54] <atlfalcons866> ok
[05:54] <fay_elf> But you need a non-working listed wlan0
[05:55] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[05:55] <jimmacdonald> fay_elf: I have a good driver. not the problem. right now it configures (connects to ) the wlan network after I login.. I want it before I login so I can do a remote login from the desktop
[05:56] <fay_elf> It'r good if only option
[05:56] <s0undt3ch> is there a way to change which application is used as file-manager for the kde menu item "System Menu"
[05:56] <s0undt3ch> ?
[05:57] <toxicfume> bazhang: hey i just switched the netgear to a different PCI slot and rebooted and now it seems to work. But i doubt i can connect again because I tried earlier with the lvecd and it had trouble connecting to my WPA encrypted network, can you help me there? :)
[05:57] <fay_elf> jim: i was just pointing out the option for toxicfume's
[05:57] <jimmacdonald> ahh thought you were talking to me.
[05:57] <fay_elf> prob
[05:57] <bazhang> toxicfume: any way to un-encrypt it for this little test?
[06:00] <OpenSorce> bazhang, do you know anything about the OEM Install option on the Alt disc?
[06:00] <fay_elf> bazhang: the router (if you are using one yourself) might have a return to defaults button or a web browser interface you can use through your eth
[06:00] <fay_elf> Sry to tnxicfume
[06:01] <bazhang> OpenSorce: I saw that but not clear what it does--trying to live dangerously--or a specific goal in mind?
[06:01] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i removed the encryption and kubuntu successfully connects :)
[06:01] <bazhang> fay_elf: right. thanks!
[06:01] <bazhang> toxicfume: yippee!
[06:01] <toxicfume> fay_elf: i got it working!!
[06:01] <fay_elf> Forgive the typos, i'm on jmirc
[06:02] <toxicfume> bazhang: now how do i get wpa encryption? :P
[06:02] <bazhang> internets in da house!
[06:02] <bazhang> uhoh spoke too soon..
[06:02] <toxicfume> bazhang: yeeah :d
[06:02] <atlfalcons866> how is linux more secure than windows
[06:03] <BluesKaj> !Info security
[06:03] <ubotu> Package security does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:03] <bazhang> toxicfume: this is one area that Feisty sadly lags in the Kubuntu side, a nice drop down menu that lets you choose wpa out of the box--you can go to network manager, sorry knetwork manager and see if it allows this, but I believe it only lets you choose wep.
[06:04] <BluesKaj> !firewall
[06:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:04] <ardchoille> atlfalcons866: Read this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[06:04] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[06:04] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[06:05] <toxicfume> bazhang: exactly, there's only WEP, no WPA
[06:05] <fay_elf> You must enable the gateway for encryption, so open your web browser, check out the manual and punch the browser interface address. This suggests you have a private router
[06:06] <bazhang> thanks fay_elf!
[06:08] <fay_elf> But the gateway might support x, client y - must have 1-1 support on hardware
[06:09] <stamen> hi
[06:09] <stamen> how to remove intel ICH5 driver
[06:09] <stamen> because it replaces my sound card
[06:09] <stamen> my is SB live
[06:09] <stamen> Creative
[06:10] <fay_elf> I dont think there is need to remove, to select is
[06:12] <stamen> yse but when I select from kmix
[06:12] <stamen> to change it to SB card
[06:13] <stamen> nothing happens, it is still no sound, and change is not made
[06:13] <stamen> :(
[06:13] <stamen> how to make it default again to be SB
[06:14] <BluesKaj> stamen, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[06:15] <BluesKaj> stamen, then in the konsole: sudo asoundconf list
[06:16] <BluesKaj> stamen, after you find your soundcard : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[06:17] <someguy> helllo everyone
[06:17] <someguy> anyone know of a presentation remote that works with Kubuntu
[06:17] <someguy> and OOo
[06:18] <someguy> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/presentation_remote/devices/175&cl=us,en
[06:19] <someguy> will that work on Kubuntu?
[06:19] <stdin> someguy: there's no way of knowing unless you try it
[06:19] <BluesKaj> someguy, do you mean like "powerpoint"
[06:19] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:20] <someguy> blueskaj - i want it to control the presentation in Open Office
[06:20] <someguy> blueskaj - its a remote
[06:20] <BluesKaj> right , gotcha
[06:21] <someguy> but $80 is a bit steep
[06:21] <someguy> =(
[06:21] <someguy> maybe I should just use the arrow keys or page up/page down
[06:21] <someguy> thats like free
[06:21] <someguy> lol
[06:22] <BluesKaj> :)
[06:22] <someguy> but then I can't move during the presentation or bust a move or something
[06:22] <someguy> lmao
[06:23] <BluesKaj> dunno, I've never had to make presentations ...just used computer application programs to run lab equip , so i have absolutely no idea
[06:24] <someguy> ok blueskaj no problem i am gonna try a few things
[06:24] <someguy> ask around my lug
[06:25] <informaticous> slt
[06:25] <someguy> thanks blues
[06:26] <informaticous> comment vous all
[06:26] <stdin> !fr
[06:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:26] <Jucato> !fr | informaticous
[06:26] <ubotu> informaticous: please see above
[06:27] <informaticous> oui fr
[06:27] <halycon> hey everyone
[06:27] <OpenSorce> bazzieb, you still here?
[06:28] <OpenSorce> oops
[06:35] <carlos_> wenas
[06:36] <stdin> carlos_: huh?
[06:39] <adlisyakir> hye.. kubuntu 7.10 is already release or not?
[06:39] <fay_elf> 18th
[06:40] <stdin> when it is, the topic will say so
[06:40] <someguy> hey blue
[06:40] <adlisyakir> owh.. orait..
[06:40] <someguy> BluesKaj >> just called Logitech and told them they need to support Ubuntu and Linux in general
[06:41] <someguy> they were like what is Linux
[06:41] <someguy> lmao
[06:41] <adlisyakir> hye wat different between ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:41] <BluesKaj> someguy, and what was their response ?
[06:41] <adlisyakir> i think kubuntu look very nice other then ubuntu
[06:41] <s0undt3ch> adlisyakir: ubuntu -> gnome | kubuntu -> kde
[06:41] <adlisyakir> but, what the different function of both
[06:41] <adlisyakir> owh
[06:41] <BluesKaj> hehe, what's linux ... :)
[06:41] <someguy> BluesKay >> they said they would note it and "look" into it
[06:42] <someguy> lol
[06:42] <BluesKaj> sure
[06:42] <stdin> !flavors | adlisyakir
[06:42] <ubotu> adlisyakir: !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu
[06:42] <someguy> they said it supports all the windoz os's like that good one there....  Windows me. lol
[06:42] <adlisyakir> !gnome
[06:42] <someguy> oh and the vista or disastre whatever its called
[06:42] <adlisyakir> !kde
[06:42] <s0undt3ch> anyone sucessfully run kde4 on gutsy?
[06:43] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[06:43] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[06:43] <someguy> sountech >. you live on the edge buddy
[06:43] <stdin> s0undt3ch: beta2 is unusable
[06:43] <BluesKaj> !KDE4
[06:43] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:43] <someguy> betas are welll.... betas
[06:43] <s0undt3ch> someguy: yup, I tend to live on the edge, and sometime I screw myself :)
[06:43] <someguy> lol
[06:44] <BluesKaj> s0undt3ch, dunno , my attempts at kde 4 failed miserably :)
[06:44] <someguy> s0unt3ch i hear you.  me 2
[06:44] <s0undt3ch> when I upgrated from feisty to gutsy I screwed my self because I setup my sources as grumpy ;)
[06:44] <BluesKaj> grumpy ?
[06:45] <s0undt3ch> next development after gutsy I think
[06:45] <fay_elf> Annoyed ;)
[06:45] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic
[06:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:46] <informaticous> il reste qlq
[06:47] <informaticous> ???
[06:47] <s0undt3ch> BluesKaj: that also works for kubuntu correct?
[06:47] <jamili> how come i got grub loading error 21 when i installed kubuntu feisty to ide hdd :(
[06:47] <jamili> "21 : Selected disk does not exist This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name
[06:47] <jamili> refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the
[06:47] <jamili> BIOS in the system."
[06:47] <BluesKaj> s0undt3ch, this is kubuntu chat and support
[06:48] <s0undt3ch> BluesKaj: but that was a ubuntu link, but ok, I got it, thanks
[06:48] <adlisyakir> hye.. u think using ubuntu or kubuntu is the nice
[06:48] <stdin> informaticous: demander dans #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[06:48] <jamili> does it have something to do with that i have jmicron's device handling?
[06:48] <jamili> or something like that
[06:48] <jamili> so when i start my comp bios doesn't load any devices (idemaster slave none) but jmicron's software shows them
[06:49] <jamili> any help? :\
[06:50] <s0undt3ch> is there a way to choose which file-manager gets used when using the toolbar button "system menu"?
[06:50] <BluesKaj> s0undt3ch, the ubuntu and kubuntu use the same sources.list debs
[06:52] <UserC> i have a question..
[06:53] <UserC> how much more computer resources does kubuntu uses more then ubuntu?
[06:54] <Chousuke> UserC: Why are you so convinced it uses more resources? :)
[06:54] <stdin> UserC: it doesn't
[06:54] <stdin> at all
[06:54] <jamili> can someone help me? i got grub error 21 when i installed kubuntu (same appeared with ubuntu), does it have something to do with that i have some jmicron system recognising my devices?
[06:54] <jamili> :p
[06:54] <jim> I'm having trouble with the i686 SMP kernel(even though I'm on P4). one of two processors shows running at 100% with no load. If I linstall linux-386 does it mean I have to download a lot of packages again or are most of the packages in universe/multiverse compiled for 386?
[06:54] <jamili> should i update my BIOS?
[06:55] <Chousuke> Well, it depends on so many variables that the only truthful answer you can give is "I don't know"
[06:55] <stdin> jim: you don't have to download any packages again, just the kernel packages
[06:56] <jim> ok thanks :) while I'm here does any have any idea why sometimes a cpu would jump to 100% with no load on it?
[06:57] <UserC> jim it jumps for a long time? or joust for a moment?
[06:58] <jim> no it jumps and stays till I reboot. Even with no other programs running.
[06:58] <UserC> strange.. i dunno it never happened to me..
[06:58] <jim> It was happening more frequently in Fedora but still in Kubuntu
[06:59] <stdin> you should think about upgrading to feisty or gutsy, a newer kernel may work better
[06:59] <NickPresta> jim, it's a long shot, but run some variation of `top` (or top itself) and watch for whatever is eating up 100% of your CPU. I had apt-index-watcher doing that to me for a while before I fixed it.
[07:01] <jim> NickPresta: htop shows nothing eating cpu , hghest usage is about 7% usually in list of processes but cpu 1 in SMP shos 100%
[07:05] <jim> Guess I'll try 386 kernel and see if that helps. maybe a bug in the SMP kernel
[07:10] <toxicfume> does anyone here use LinuxMCE? I want to know if the Radeon 9800 Pro is a good card for it?
[07:14] <stuq> can someone point me to a how-to on simple file sharing on a local network with kde?
[07:15] <stuq> i'm trying all sorts of things, but nothing seems to work
[07:15] <stuq> done the properties..sharing thing
[07:15] <stuq> the web-server applet thing works
[07:15] <stuq> samba sharing doesn't
[07:15] <stuq> nfs sharing doesn't either
[07:15] <Daisuke_Ido> stuq: multiple linux machines?
[07:15] <stuq> yes
[07:15] <BluesKaj> stuq, samba should work
[07:15] <stuq> one feisty, one gutsy
[07:16] <stuq> should
[07:16] <Daisuke_Ido> if samba and nfs aren't working, you messed up somewhere
[07:16] <stuq> i have a freenas server on the network doing samba find
[07:16] <stuq> fine
[07:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i have a feisty desktop sharing directories to a gutsy laptop (and windows laptop) with nfs perfectly
[07:16] <stuq> must be messing up  something obvious
[07:16] <stuq> shouldn't be this hard
[07:16] <combinio> is there any program to edit PDF files ? :}
[07:17] <stuq> Daisuke_Ido: you remember if you installed any extra networking components?
[07:17] <toxicfume> does anyone here use LinuxMCE? I want to know if the Radeon 9800 Pro is a good card for it?
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...
[07:17] <stuq> or were they 'vanilla' installs?
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> portmap
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> but that was installed with the nfs client
[07:17] <BluesKaj> !patience | toxicfume
[07:17] <ubotu> toxicfume: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:18] <BluesKaj> !linuxMCE
[07:18] <opensorce_> hah! and here I thought ubuntu had it's own server and all :-)
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxmce - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <combinio> !pdf
[07:18] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the shares are: /share <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[07:18] <opensorce_> baz, buddy!
[07:18] <stuq> BluesKaj: have you used linuxMCE?
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> where <IP_ADDRESS> is the ip range you want allowed
[07:18] <opensorce_> oh great no nick complete in Konversation
[07:18] <stuq> i was looking at it myself
[07:18] <BluesKaj> stuq, no
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> usually something like <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[07:18] <stuq> looks pretty slick
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> opensorce_: yes there is
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> opensorce_: just did it :D
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> use tab
[07:19] <opensorce_> dais: I sorta meant I haven't set it up yet
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll have to set it up if you want to use the comma as a nick completion character :)
[07:20] <BluesKaj> stuq, I use tvtime with a capture card , fed from a sat receiver using composite video and analog audio
[07:20] <opensorce_> I wanna use xchat.....but of course it doesn't come with 7.10b...
[07:21] <BluesKaj> opensorce , xchat is available in the repos
[07:22] <stuq> BluesKaj:  we haven't had a tv in the house since '81, but now that we're remodeling, we want to put something nice in the new living room
[07:22] <OpenSorce> BluesKaj, then why doesn't apt-get install xchat work?
[07:23] <stuq> OpenSorce: check your repositories, you might not have the right ones enabled
[07:23] <BluesKaj> OpenSorce , sorry i think you're right , it'll break pkges according to adept
[07:24] <opensorce_> I just really want my wlan card to work.....not so worried abotu xchat atm
[07:25] <noname_> hello, can anybody plz tell me how can I get desktop items to line up automatically by the right side of the screen?
[07:25] <djudd> hey guys, when i click on an link in konqueror that is an irc link, i get an error message that says the irc protocol isn't recognized.  is there a way to setup konqueror so that konversation launches when i click on an irc link?
[07:25] <opensorce_> I have the ubuntu box running through my mac atm....but it would be great if it worked as well as it did in 6.06
[07:27] <BluesKaj> opensorce, I got xchat to install with synaptic, but you gotta have the repos in your sources.list that hold that package. Check source-o-matic
[07:28] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | OpenSorce
[07:28] <ubotu> OpenSorce: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:28] <seezer> djudd: go to settings>configure konqueror>file associations
[07:28] <seezer> djudd: and add a new type to group "uri" called irc
[07:29] <reinformaticous> slt
[07:29] <reinformaticous> re"
[07:29] <NickPresta> reinformaticous, ?
[07:29] <reinformaticous> oui c'est informaticous
[07:29] <djudd> seezer: thank you
[07:29] <NickPresta> !fr | reinformaticous
[07:29] <ubotu> reinformaticous: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:30] <seezer> djudd: you're welcome
[07:31] <ubuntu> hello
[07:33] <stuq> Daisuke_Ido: I got it, nfs works fine, I was just being dumb, as usual ;-)
[07:34] <jamili> is there any way i could get grub workign with jmicron device loader?
[07:34] <mafe> Hola
[07:34] <mafe> que es?
[07:34] <mafe> HOoola
[07:34] <mafe> Hola
[07:34] <mafe> Como e sesto?
[07:35] <stuq> man, kdar is *nice*
[07:35] <mafe> alguien??
[07:35] <mafe> Hello
[07:35] <stuq> i hope the author updates the package
[07:35] <mafe> I don't speak english very well
[07:35] <funkyfish70> Hey everyone
[07:35] <funkyfish70> I cant figure out how to mount my NTFS drive so that I can access it
[07:35] <mafe> Espaol
[07:36] <NickPresta> !es | mafe
[07:36] <ubotu> mafe: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:36] <stdin> !ntfs | funkyfish70
[07:36] <ubotu> funkyfish70: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:37] <jager> !fuse
[07:37] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[07:38] <funkyfish70> ok thanks
[07:38] <funkyfish70> I did manage to get one drive mounted but my external HD cannot mount for some reason
[07:38] <funkyfish70> ill keep trying
[07:39] <funkyfish70> I just read that document
[07:39] <funkyfish70> ill give it a shot again though
[07:39] <jamili> is there any way i could get grub workign with jmicron device loader?
[07:40] <CPrompt^> anyone program apps with linux?  c++?
[07:41] <stdin> !anyone
[07:41] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:41] <bazhang> a quick Konversation question: I set it to connect on opening, and it opened this really ugly huge window that hides the main window and won't go away--any way to reset it not to connect automatically?
[07:42] <CPrompt^> alright...point taken.  What IDE do you use to program in?  Qt?  Is it Qt3 or Qt4?
[07:42] <stdin> bazhang: #konversation is the best place to ask
[07:42] <dio> ciao a tutti!
[07:43] <bazhang> stdin: thanks! you da man!
[07:43] <dio> hi to anyone!!
[07:43] <TunaTom> hi dio.
[07:43] <stdin> CPrompt^: Qt3 is for KDE3.x an Qt4 is used in KDE4, both can be used separately tho. Kdevelop is a good IDE for KDE
[07:44] <dio> hi tom
[07:44] <dio> are u fine?
[07:44] <emilsedgh> and, QT is not an IDE :)
[07:44] <stdin> !qt
[07:44] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[07:44] <TunaTom> sure, thanks. How are you?
[07:44] <CPrompt^> emilsedgh : close enough ;)
[07:45] <CPrompt^> stdin : I guess C++ is the language of choice for most linux apps?  at lest for GUI related apps?
[07:45] <dio> fine! thanx
[07:45] <stdin> CPrompt^: well, it is for KDE
[07:45] <dio> can i tell you a question about kubuntu?
[07:45] <stdin> CPrompt^: gnome actually uses a lot of C apps
[07:46] <emilsedgh> CPrompt^: currenlty whole KDE apps are written in KDE and most of the Gnome apps are in C, but Python applications are rapidly growing
[07:46] <CPrompt^> stdin : cool.  I'm more of a KDE guy but it's been a while since i've messed with C++.
[07:46] <rt_> !dvd
[07:46] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:46] <stdin> CPrompt^: but that's because GTK+ is written in C and Qt is written in C++
[07:46] <TunaTom> dio: sure. But you don't have to ask me if ou can ask. Just ask: I have no privileges here whatever.
[07:47] <dio> well, i will be polite!!
[07:47] <BluesKaj> !ask | dio
[07:47] <ubotu> dio: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:47] <dio> thank you very much!!
[07:47] <dio> lol
[07:47] <dio> so
[07:47] <CPrompt^> emilsedgh : I do like python but haven't found something I like to build GUI's out of yet.  Haven't really looked into it much and I just started messing with PYthon a few days ago  LOL
[07:47] <dio> my question....
[07:47] <dio> How can I apply different Themes on my KDE?
[07:48] <emilsedgh> CPrompt^: you could create GUI's with KDE
[07:48] <TunaTom> dio: that's not too hard.
[07:48] <dio> yeah, but i'm a noob
[07:48] <CPrompt^> emilsedgh : not sure what you mean.
[07:48] <TunaTom> Open up your systemsettings.
[07:48] <stdin> CPrompt^: there is a python -> Qt binding, PyQt. the system settings application for instance uses that
[07:48] <stdin> !changethemes
[07:48] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[07:48] <BluesKaj> dio, system settings /appearance
[07:48] <emilsedgh> dio: a Theme is seperated in a few things: Icons, Colors, Widget Style, Window Decoration, look at kde-look.org
[07:49] <emilsedgh> how nice is ubotu, right stdin? :P
[07:49] <dio> oh, ok!!
[07:49] <CPrompt^> stdin : i'll take a look into that.  thanks
[07:49] <stdin> yeah, ubotu knows all :p
[07:49] <TunaTom> dio: found what you wanted?
[07:49] <dio> so, if I set the sam theme 4 icon, Widget, etc....it will work like a winzozz theme!
[07:50] <dio> Yeah, thom, but I have got another question!!
[07:50] <TunaTom> dio: go ahead.
[07:50] <dio> ok, i'll go straight
[07:51] <TunaTom> THE TENSION
[07:51] <TunaTom> sorry
[07:51] <stdin> CPrompt^: #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel are good places to ask about development, as well as #kde-devel . #ubuntu-motu is a good place to ask about learning to make debian packages.
[07:51] <dio> i've installed Beryl, but when I use it as the Window Application Manager, it hides the bar with the name of the program -including the close, minimize and tray icon.
[07:52] <CPrompt^> stdin : good stuff.  I'll bookmark those chanels
[07:52] <TunaTom> dio: perhaps beryl doesn't run at all?
[07:52] <TunaTom> If you start it, it tries to replace the normal window manager.
[07:53] <stdin> you need to install emerald and/or aquamarine with beryl too
[07:53] <TunaTom> So first the title bar (and other stuff) is removed
[07:53] <TunaTom> Afterwards it might find out it couldn't start and leave you without window manager at all.
[07:53] <dio> nono
[07:53] <TunaTom> At least that was my first compiz experience.
[07:54] <TunaTom> dio: no?
[07:54] <bazhang> stdin: thanks for the tip--problem solved--conflict with 3D effects with a workaround. Cheers!
[07:54] <dio> i've installed emerald
[07:54] <dio> and Beryl runs very well
[07:54] <dio> (I can see it's cube and all it's graphic effects)
[07:54] <dio> but i still can't see those damn buttons!
[07:56] <TunaTom> perhaps one has to activate the decorations in the compiz config settings manager? Dunno, I'm no compiz guy.
[07:56] <dio> i haven't got compiz
[07:57] <TunaTom> ?
[07:57] <informaticous> hello
[07:57] <dio> Hi info
[07:57] <TunaTom> dio: I doubt that.
[07:57] <informaticous> stl
[07:57] <dio> what is compiz?
[07:57] <informaticous> comment tu va
[07:57] <aggelos> hallo!
[07:57] <stdin> !fr > informaticous
[07:57] <dio> tres bien, merc
[07:58] <TunaTom> !compiz
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <dio> but we aren't french!!
[07:58] <aggelos> i recently upgraded to ubuntu gusty gibbon
[07:58] <dio> what is compizzzz??
[07:58] <TunaTom> wow, I can do ubotu, too
[07:58] <stdin> aggelos: #ubuntu+1 (see the topic)
[07:58] <TunaTom> dio: see what ubotu says:
[07:58] <TunaTom> !compiz
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <aggelos> everything seems fine but i want to know how to enable the xgl / compiz / beryl stuff
[07:59] <TunaTom> aggelos: join dio and read what ubotu wrote.
[07:59] <stdin> TunaTom: you can put the nickname after the command to get ubotu to say it to that person, like...
[07:59] <stdin> !bot | TunaTom
[07:59] <ubotu> TunaTom: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:59] <soa2ii> Hi there... I have been here yesterday and told my prooblems with my keyboard and that kaffeine isn'zt starting (I think because of my dvd device...) I found this in the system log:
[07:59] <soa2ii> [  359.150837]  hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[07:59] <soa2ii> [  359.150843]  hdc: packet command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 }
[08:00] <soa2ii> [  359.150846]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[08:00] <stdin> soa2ii: use the pastebin
[08:00] <soa2ii> and so on... does anyone knows smth about that?
[08:00] <soa2ii> fine
[08:00] <stdin> soa2ii: you can then just point us to the link after
[08:01] <soa2ii> http://rafb.net/p/PHD72L26.html
[08:02] <soa2ii> I do not have those Problems with Knoppix or Gentoo... so I do not really know wheter my hardware is weird or just Kubuntu...
[08:02] <soa2ii> The error is not reproducable either
[08:03] <TunaTom> Perhaps the dma mode is set too optimistic for older hardware?
[08:04] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm... how do i check this?
[08:04] <soa2ii> And I think my dvd is not that old...
[08:05] <soa2ii> I think I'll try Knoppix once again...
[08:05] <TunaTom> sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[08:07] <soa2ii> sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[08:07] <soa2ii> /dev/hdc:
[08:07] <soa2ii>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[08:07] <soa2ii> I'll try Knoppix--- brb
[08:07] <TunaTom> soa2ii: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hdc
[08:07] <soa2ii> mom
[08:07] <TunaTom> soa2ii: okay, forget it
[08:08] <soa2ii> TunaTom: http://rafb.net/p/x2F5Pw81.html
[08:10] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Look pretts normal. Do you only have that problem when playing a DVD?
[08:10] <TunaTom> s/pretts/pretty/
[08:10] <soa2ii> no... even if the dvds empty
[08:11] <soa2ii> and it is not every time... i just worked with kubuntu again for a week or so... and then suddenly the problem came back...
[08:13] <TunaTom> Sounds more like a de-adjusted hardware. But on the other hand I heard about similar problems when using the wrong region code
[08:13] <soa2ii> Hm... I'll try knoppix once again...
[08:13] <soa2ii> brb
[08:17] <giorgos> hello together. I have a questio regards printerconfiguration. I use a rooter with printer port. At this ports an USB printer is connectet. How I can now congigure linux to work with that printer. At the moment my configration is as lpd://ip-adress/lpUSB0 but it doesnt work. Have anyone an idea?
[08:20] <giorgos> no one any ideas?
[08:21] <BluesKaj> giorgos, do you have another pc which the printer is connected to
[08:21] <giorgos> yes my windows PC are working fine with it
[08:21] <uga> BluesKaj: my understanding is that the router works as a printer server
[08:21] <giorgos> yes
[08:21] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm... with knoppix everything is fine... with Kubuntu not...
[08:22] <uga> giorgos: I think he meant if there's a pc directly (usb) connected to it
[08:22] <uga> which I assume it's not
[08:22] <soa2ii> I think it's a Kubuntu error... but I don't know where...
[08:22] <giorgos> no
[08:22] <TunaTom> soa2ii: I found some more hints.
[08:22] <TunaTom> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/009095.html
[08:22] <giorgos> no the usb printer is conectet to my router dierectly
[08:22] <BluesKaj> ok, giorgos have you run the printer wizard in system settings ?
[08:22] <uga> giorgos: it looks nice, but I've never seen such a setup, sorry
[08:22] <uga> the router must just pass raw data over to the usb
[08:23] <TunaTom> This thread indicates, that it might either be a faulty media or dma being turned on when it shouldnt.
[08:23] <BluesKaj> me neither usually the printer is connected to the pc using usb
[08:23] <giorgos> yes BluesKaj i have it.
[08:23] <uga> BluesKaj: well, it's the same thing. The router is a small pc
[08:23] <uga> giorgos: ?
[08:23] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm... so the Kubuntu Kernel is the problem? The DVD are all fine...
[08:24] <giorgos> i was able to install it as LPDconfiguration
[08:24] <giorgos> yes una?
[08:24] <giorgos> uga sorry
[08:24] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Perhaps you can just try to disable dma for the drive?
[08:24] <BluesKaj> lets not argue semantics , we have to configure his printer so it works on both the windows and linux pcs
[08:24] <soa2ii> TunaTom: And this does not explain my keyboard problems
[08:24] <giorgos> what do you mean with such a setup?
[08:24] <giorgos> uga?
[08:24] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Keyboard?
[08:24] <uga> giorgos: nothing. I believe you just said that the pc is usb connected to the printer?
[08:25] <BluesKaj> giorgos, most printers are connected to the windows pc , the linux pc finds the printer server on the windows pc
[08:25] <giorgos> no :-) i mean the the printer is conectet to my router with usb
[08:25] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Yes... the keyboard repeats somtetimes a char just pressed once and reacts VERY slowly...
[08:26] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Sorry can't help with that one.
[08:26] <soa2ii> This error appears just (I'm not 100% sure) with the dvd error together
[08:26] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Disabling dma is very easy and not dangerous.
[08:26] <biopod> !bravia
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bravia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <biopod> !widescreen
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <TunaTom> soa2ii: enter sudo hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc
[08:27] <stdin> !resolution | biopod
[08:27] <ubotu> biopod: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:27] <giorgos> ok. I thik we missudertand. So again: my printer is connectet to my router on a USB port. No i try to conect to that printer from linux. But i dont know how.
[08:27] <biopod> stdin thanks.
[08:27] <soa2ii> TunaTom: had no effect...
[08:27] <giorgos> Windows can manage this.
[08:28] <uga>                      uhm... fromnow on I  can't   respond    fo rm                            my   writings here...
[08:28] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Sorry then, but I can't help any more.
[08:28] <soa2ii> TunaTom: I'll try the gutsy kernel... i hope this will be fine...
[08:28] <TunaTom> uga: lol
[08:28] <uga>         my 1.5 yr old nep hew isone of the           yo        un gest           kubvungggggggggggtugggggggg                     utgsyuserhsy               =)
[08:28] <Chousuke> okay
[08:29] <TunaTom> uga: Wow, that surely looks impressive!
[08:29] <stdin> giorgos: have you tried adding it yet, via System Settings > Printers, Add > Printer/Class and choosing "Remote LPD Queue" ?
[08:29] <TunaTom> soa2ii: If you are not an experienced linux user,
[08:29] <Chousuke> kubvungtug is it now
[08:29] <TunaTom> you should consider waiting till it is released.
[08:29] <giorgos> yes i did ti stdin. It is still my configuraton now but whe i sent a prinjob no job comes out
[08:30] <giorgos> maybe i have mistakes in my configuration
[08:30] <soa2ii> TunaTom: I thought so...
[08:30] <TunaTom> soa2ii: It's only a few days left.
[08:30] <dhq_> i want to make my own os linux are there steps anywhere
[08:31] <TunaTom> dhq_: Yes, try linux from scratch!
[08:31] <giorgos> i have configured as lpd://ip-adress/lpUSB0 is that correct?
[08:31] <dhq_> TunaTom, well do the have all documentation
[08:32] <soa2ii> TunaTom: maybe i'll just dist-upgrade right now... the system isn't anything worth.... :/
[08:32] <TunaTom> soa2ii: okay, perhaps you're one happy user and nothing will break till the release. I'm running gutsy since two weeks now.
[08:33] <soa2ii> and?
[08:33] <TunaTom> soa2ii: No breaks. (Apart from binary nvidia)
[08:34] <TunaTom> dhq_: If you _have_ all documentation, what's the point in asking if there are any steps?
[08:34] <eddy> hola
[08:34] <gerry_> anyone running xen?
[08:34] <TunaTom> eddy: carinho
[08:34] <TunaTom> (?)
[08:34] <dhq_> TunaTom, well do they have all documentation ---my mistake
[08:35] <TunaTom> dhq_: have a look at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ .
[08:35] <TunaTom> That _really_ gets ou on your way to your own linux os!
[08:35] <TunaTom> s/ou/you/
[08:37] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Don't you think LFS is a little to hardcore? :P
[08:37] <cloakable> no :P
[08:38] <cloakable> I'd reccomend LFS to anyone who wants to REALLY learn Linux :P
[08:38] <uga> heh, back =)
[08:38] <uga> scary what a kid can do on a linux desktop, when given a keyboard :P
[08:39] <TunaTom> soa2ii: He asked for steps on how to make his own Linux os.
[08:39] <uga> you gotta hate shortcuts
[08:39] <TunaTom> uga: ouch
[08:39] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm ok... maybe a ubuntu command line install is what he want :D
[08:40] <TunaTom> oops
[08:41] <soa2ii> LFS is just if you got nothing else to do... I think gentoo is quite hard and maybe a stage1 install is the best for an "own" linux...
[08:41] <uga> giorgos: what's the router's name?
[08:41] <uga> so that I could digg a bit more of info
[08:43] <biopod> after giving up from the ATI radeon x1600, i've decided to go buy me an nvidia card tomorw. anyone wants to reccomend me any?
[08:44] <biopod> all I require from it is that it will have DVI out
[08:44] <biopod> something that works right out of the box, please.
[08:44] <BluesKaj> biopod, what were you trying to do on the x1600?
[08:45] <biopod> just about every single method that was described in the forums.
[08:45] <BluesKaj> biopod , that's not an anbswer
[08:45] <biopod> compiling, runing the auto installer from ATI,
[08:45] <TunaTom> biopod: I have a GeForce 6200. Must be one of the cheapest and low-profile GPU that can run compiz.
[08:45] <informaticous> salut
[08:46] <BluesKaj> biopod , which driver?
[08:46] <biopod> 8.4 wasnt it?
[08:46] <biopod> not sure anymore.
[08:47] <biopod> did you get it to run?
[08:47] <BluesKaj> biopod, 8.41.7 or 8.40.4 ?
[08:47] <informaticous> coi
[08:47] <biopod> 8.40.4
[08:47] <TunaTom> informaticous: hello again
[08:47] <bazhang> informaticous: question?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> biopod, I have the 8.41.7 running 3d and DRI on a X200G onboard
[08:48] <biopod> BluesKaj: I should try it with the 8.41.7 as well...
[08:49] <BluesKaj> ok, biopod , make sure you unib=nstall the generic driver first
[08:49] <BluesKaj> erruninstall
[08:49] <biopod> BluesKaj: ok man. i'll sure give it another go.
[08:50] <BluesKaj> biopod, https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html
[08:50] <BluesKaj> biopod, then this : http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[08:50] <markgreene_> Hey guys. Have any of you expereince problems connecting to google talk with Kopete?
[08:51] <hoens> does anyone know why i get the following error when starting inkscape? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39981/
[08:52] <biopod> thank BluesKaj i'll update soon on any success/faliure
[08:53] <uga> hoens: sounds ike you're running it as root?
[08:53] <uga> I'd say it's trying to acess the X server
[08:54] <hoens> I'm not running it as root
[08:54] <TunaTom> hoens: That's only the wacom devices in the xorg.conf. You can ignore that.
[08:54] <hoens> TunaTom: ah ok
[08:54] <hoens> TunaTom: can I/should I disable it in the xorg.conf?
[08:54] <uga> hoens: oh, but then inkscape starts up?
[08:55] <uga> hoens: yes, you can disable those
[08:55] <hoens> uga: yeah
[08:55] <hoens> ah ok
[08:55] <uga> just comment them out
[08:55] <hoens> thanks
[08:56] <modestymaster> Question regarding Fiesty's flash plugin for 64 bit firefox:
[08:56] <modestymaster> I've followed all of the steps outlined in the 'AddOnApplcations' wiki page, right up to the last step, "Load the module as an automatic service:"
[08:56] <modestymaster> That references the path "System > Preferences > Sessions-->New".  I'm assuming that that is a KMenu path.  I have no such path and furthermore don't see an obvious way to find it.
[08:56] <modestymaster> Can someone please direct me?
[09:08] <TunaTom> modestymaster: I don't know what that path means, but obviously the ndiswrapper-command must be executed at each boot.
[09:10] <modestymaster> thanks tunatom.  I just added a line to rc.local
[09:10] <TunaTom> modestymaster: That's what I was about to say...
[09:10] <modestymaster> good times
[09:11] <usser> hello is kblueplugd kde bluetooth daemon?
[09:15] <TunaTom> usser: apparently it comes from the package kdebluetooth, so yes, it probably is the kde bluetooth daemon.
[09:16] <jthomas> hey has an update to HAL or something recently happened?  All of the computers which I administer have lost their USB drives :(  This has always been the cause in the past.
[09:16] <usser> TunaTom: im never planning on using it but i could not find any place to turn it off
[09:18] <TunaTom> usser: If you don't want bluetooth, try to remove kdebluetooth.
[09:18] <Alloos2> Hi guys, my internet connection used to be fine, recently it disconnect every now and then for around one minute and then connect again, where can I check for whats wrong?
[09:18] <usser> TunaTom: ok, i'll do
[09:20] <usser> Alloos2: first off check all the wires, then your adsl/cable modem
[09:21] <usser> Alloos2: i had a couple cases in my practice where adsl modems just kept rebooting so there were no inet for a minute or so
[09:22] <Alloos2> usser: did, all is fine, I think it has something to do with the configuration, Iam guessing that the connection is timing out somehow
[09:23] <usser> Alloos2: timing out eh
[09:24] <usser> Alloos2: is it a wired one?
[09:25] <usser> Alloos2: well, creating a simple ping script comes to mind ))
[09:25] <usser> #!/bin/sh
[09:25] <usser> ping google.com
[09:25] <ScorpKing> routers usually have a 'keep alive' option.
[09:25] <feierfox> how to create hashes from a file to compare it with an pother file?
[09:26] <Alloos2> yes its wired connection
[09:26] <usser> feierfox: md5
[09:26] <feierfox> yes
[09:26] <feierfox> an how to use?
[09:26] <Alloos2> usser: it pings normally, simply because iam connecting to internet now
[09:27] <usser> Alloos2: no i mean keep the script running all the time see if it times out
[09:27] <Alloos2> I dont think its wise idea
[09:27] <Alloos2> :)
[09:27] <usser> Alloos2: its not )
[09:27] <feierfox> how to create md5 checksums?
[09:28] <usser> feierfox: i think md5 filename does that
[09:28] <leon_romain> md5sum filename>
[09:28] <usser> md5sum yea
[09:28] <leon_romain> md5sum filename > filename.md5
[09:28] <RobM05x> Is it better to use 6.06 or download 7.04?
[09:28] <leon_romain> it creates a file named filename.md5
[09:29] <hsystem-x> its better to download 7.04, more features.. more improvements.
[09:29] <leon_romain> iand it contains the md5sum and the filename.
[09:29] <RobM05x> when does the new version of Kubuntu come out?
[09:29] <leon_romain> to check it you use md5sum -c filename.md5
[09:29] <usser> RobM05x: oct 18th
[09:29] <hsystem-x> well there is a BETA version of the Gutsy Gibbon already
[09:30] <RobM05x> How much difference is the beta going to be from the stable?
[09:30] <hsystem-x> you can check when it will be realeased as final version in ubuntu.com
[09:30] <feierfox> ok no he is calculating
[09:30] <BluesKaj> 10 days for the final release
[09:30] <usser> RobM05x: i dont think i'll be much different now
[09:30] <leon_romain> Who can't hardly wait another ten days for the official release?
[09:31] <BluesKaj> Oct 18
[09:31] <usser> RobM05x: the updates coming out are bug fixes
[09:31] <leon_romain> feierfox: how big is your file?
[09:31] <RobM05x> ok thx
[09:31] <feierfox> 700MB
[09:31] <leon_romain> cd iso?
[09:31] <hsystem-x> #amarok
[09:31] <feierfox> no AVI
[09:32] <leon_romain> that might take a while
[09:32] <feierfox> i want to compare, because K3B doesn't compare the burned files anymore :(((
[09:32] <hsystem-x> #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:32] <RobM05x> This is the fastest computer I've ever put Kubuntu on.. ATI Radeon 1300 512mb, with 2GB of ram, 3.0 GHz processor... everything is so fast
[09:32] <usser> RobM05x: wow
[09:33] <feierfox> or i just trust K3B :(
[09:33] <hsystem-x> video memory 512 Nice XD.
[09:33] <feierfox> that it did a good job
[09:33] <Doobeh> Is there a place to change the keyboard layout in the GUI?
[09:34] <Doobeh> Sorry-- found it
[09:34] <BluesKaj> Doobeh, system settings/keyboard & mouse
[09:35] <stdin> I'd think Regional & Language
[09:36] <BluesKaj> stdin, yer right , but why,doesn't make sense to me :)
[09:36] <stdin> because it has to do with the region and language probably :p
[09:36] <stdin> it'd be nice if it was in both, but duplicates aren't nice
[09:37] <stdin> !away > deviance|away
[09:37] <deviance|away> (sorry)
[09:37] <RobM05x> What is a good download manager for Kubuntu?
[09:37] <BluesKaj> what browser ?
[09:38] <Doobeh> Okay, next big question--  I've played around with the ndiswrapper and finally got my wireless card working (I can see it in ifconfig/iwconfig and scan from the command line)
[09:38] <RobM05x> Me? Firefox
[09:38] <Doobeh> but I'd like to add it to the KnetworkManager program
[09:38] <NickPresta> RobM05x, kget is sufficient, I think
[09:38] <Doobeh> but it doesn't seem to allow me to do so-- anyone know a howto that might help?
[09:39] <Doobeh> Then I just need to get the resolution up and I'm all golden :)
[09:39] <BluesKaj> naptime , BBL
[09:40] <NickPresta> RobM05x, since you mentioned you're using Firefox, DownloadThemAll is a good manager too
[09:40] <feierfox> soon my HD will die
[09:40] <feierfox> it sounds like "clickclackclickclickclackclick*
[09:40] <feierfox> :(
[09:41] <Daisuke_Ido> DownThemAll!
[09:42] <frank_> I have a Laptop (Lenovo 3000 n100) which is running Kubuntu Feisty. I have connected a extra monitor (A 19" LCD monitor) through the VGA-connection. I am only able do see the same picture on both monitors. I want to run "dual monitors" Like i was doing in Windows XP. Is this possible/and how can I do this in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <frank_> It is a intel video card
[09:43] <RobM05x> It's possible, I did it at one time.. Forget how though
[09:43] <leon_romain> Option Clone Off
[09:43] <leon_romain> Option Xinerama On
[09:43] <frank_> sure that will work with my video card leon_romain?
[09:44] <leon_romain> No, I am not sure about your Intel card.
[09:44] <leon_romain> I have done it with an NVIDIA card with the nv driver.
[09:44] <frank_> yea, nv is a different story
[09:44] <leon_romain> True
[09:45] <leon_romain> Twinview on the nvidia driver works smoother
[09:45] <feierfox> yeah!!
[09:45] <feierfox> the md5 hashes are exactly the same
[09:45] <feierfox> thanks for helping me!
[09:45] <feierfox> :)
[09:46] <feierfox> whoohooo \o/
[09:46] <leon_romain> Way back I used an old nvidia card and an ATI+voodoo card and I managed to get it working with Xinerama
[09:46] <leon_romain> feierfox: Great
[09:59] <ubuntu> hello.
[10:00] <ScorpKing> hey ubuntu
[10:00] <ubuntu> some1 can tell me why i cant format my disk with ext3? i can only choose ext2, fat16 fat 32 and swap
[10:01] <ScorpKing> from the installer?
[10:01] <ubuntu> ScorpKing: any ides dude?
[10:01] <ubuntu> no from qtparted
[10:01] <ScorpKing> ^^
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: do you get the option? is the option greyed out?
[10:01] <ubuntu> i dont get it at all
[10:02] <ubuntu> no ext3 at all
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> humm
[10:02] <ScorpKing> ubuntu, use cli
[10:03] <frojnd> hello there I have a SERIOUS PROBLEM: when I started safe mode: 52.592777 soft lockop detected on CPU#0!  What is this? how can I get rid of this problem anyone?? thanx
[10:03] <ubuntu> my prob is  i got my data backep up on my / and wanted to copy to new home ext3 partitions but cant cause only ext2 is avaliable
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: is it a laptop?
[10:04] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: Nop, it's a box
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: get the gparted cd.
[10:05] <ScorpKing> frojnd: make it ext2 and change it to ext3 from command line
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: hmm I always fixed errors like that on my laptop with pulling the battery out
[10:06] <NickPresta> heh. <3 Python
[10:06] <NickPresta> oh jeeuze. Wrong channel. Forgive me
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: I do too :)
[10:07] <frojnd> ScorpKing: I don't understand... ur saying that I must format all my data on (I don't know which disk) and make it ext2 ?
[10:08] <WCTracker> format is such a strong word
[10:08] <ScorpKing> frojnd: you have ext2 available right? use it and change it after qtparted exit
[10:09] <frojnd> ScorpKing: Yes I have ext2 available, I just don't understand what ur saying. Sorry for me being such a newbie but when I heard make it ext2 I think that I must format it into ext2...
[10:09] <ScorpKing> lol
 some1 can tell me why i cant format my disk with ext3? <-- use ext2 instead.
[10:10] <frojnd> ScorpKing: oh, and my partitions are ext3...
[10:10] <jthomas> can anyone tell me how to connect to a friend's machine and see her kubuntu desktop from my debian desktop?  all of the VNC apps seem to give me my *own* desktop when i log in, nothing at all like what she is seeing.  We need to *share* the same desktop, mouse, etc. and see the same problems and solutions on the same screen...
[10:11] <ScorpKing> frojnd: ok, i'm lost. explain the whole thing again. :)
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> jthomas: U think you have to exprt to her display or something..
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> *I
[10:12] <jthomas> how?
[10:12] <jthomas> export it to my display?  will she then not be able to see it?
[10:12] <frojnd> ScorpKing: for some reason my ubuntu won't start... so I restart it and run safe mode... it stoped with an error: 52.592777 soft lockop detected on CPU#0! and it was there just waiting, so I restart computer again, and start normal mode. This time ubuntu successfuly loaded but not for long. next time I restart it was problem the same...
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: that is definately a BIOS/hardware problem
[10:14] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: a bios? when I start XP it boots normal...
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: XP is a bit more tolerant of BIOS problems
[10:15] <jthomas> frojnd: did you lose power or something to maybe corrupt the data on the hard drive?  not power it down correctly?
[10:15] <ScorpKing> frojnd: so what's the plan with the disks?
[10:15] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: so there is a mistake or error... even in if I boot XP.. but what problem of what hardware? disks?
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: its the CPU or BIOS possibly memory
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: try running a memory test
[10:16] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: what could be the worst case scenario
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: no telling... new CPU.. new motherboard
[10:18] <ScorpKing> frojnd: it could be other hardware as well.
[10:19] <jthomas> worst case scenario?  lost data of course.
[10:19] <ubuntu> ScorpKing: any ideas about that ext3 prob? i dont know what to do :/
[10:20] <jthomas> frojnd: can you boot into a Live CD?
[10:20] <ScorpKing> frojnd: i don't understand what you want to do with ext3. :(
[10:21] <hotknivez_> wazzup yall
[10:21] <ubuntu> frojnd:  what prob u have?
[10:21] <jthomas> ubuntu is your disk old
[10:21] <ScorpKing> frojnd: google for - soft lockup detected on CPU#0! - there's a few interesting links. no solutions tho
[10:21] <frojnd> ubuntu: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[10:21] <jthomas> the disk without ext3 option?
[10:21] <pillowpants> does anyone here do any gaming on kubuntu?
[10:21] <frojnd> ubuntu: I just installed my wireless pci card, maybe this is the reason..
[10:22] <jthomas> frojnd: yes it could give stopping errors possibly, can you take it out and try again?
[10:22] <ubuntu> jthomas: it not an old disk but its not SATA :/
[10:22] <ubuntu> jthomas: but i had it formated as ext3
[10:22] <frojnd> ScorpKing: em... u told me someth. about making ext2 :)
[10:22] <jthomas> always undo anything that results in an error, to help narrow down the problem
[10:22] <ScorpKing> pillowpants: cedega works ok they say. :P
[10:22] <frojnd> jthomas: I can take it out, but I really need internet :)
[10:22] <jthomas> frojnd: more than the hardware to get you there?
[10:22] <ScorpKing> frojnd: yes. make it ext2 first
[10:22] <jthomas> you can always put it back in
[10:23] <jthomas> frojnd: making it EXT2 *will* destroy any exdisting data!
[10:23] <ubuntu> can i convernt ext2 to ext3 without data loss? :P
[10:23] <frojnd> jthomas: I know this, that's why I don't understand why ScorpKing is telling me this..
[10:23] <ScorpKing> frojnd: do you want to create a new ext3 partition?
[10:23] <ubuntu> convert*
[10:23] <frojnd> ScorpKing: no... :)
[10:23] <ScorpKing> oh i see. lol
[10:24] <frojnd> ScorpKing: I have BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! THIS problem, after putin in a pci wireless card
[10:24] <uga> ubuntu: yes, you can
[10:24] <uga> ubuntu: ext3 is ext2 with journaling enabled
[10:24] <ubuntu> uga: but if i will have home as ext2
[10:24] <ubuntu> and later convert it to ext3 will those data stay there after convert?
[10:25] <uga> data stays. You don't need to mkfs
[10:25] <uga> tune2fs -j /dev/sdafoo
[10:25] <frojnd> jthomas: I've also put rt61 and rt61pci to a blacklist so computer isn't freezing anymore.
[10:25] <uga> -j enables journaling iirc
[10:25] <ubuntu> uga: well
[10:25] <ubuntu> uga: if i format  it as ext3 i will need to use live cd for that right?
[10:26] <uga> ubuntu: you don't format it
[10:26] <ScorpKing> frojnd: lmao! looks like it's bedtime for me again. i was talking to ubuntu. hahahaha
[10:26] <uga> ubuntu: you just tune it to enable journaling
[10:26] <uga> ubuntu: ext2 format is same as ext3
[10:26] <uga> ext3 == ext2 with journaling enabled
[10:26] <frojnd> jthomas: I've put this cause this was the instruction to make work this pci wireless card:  Linksys
[10:26] <frojnd> WMP54G
[10:26] <frojnd> ScorpKing: not a problem..
[10:27] <jthomas> ok but frojnd the freeze only happened after you installed the card, yes?
[10:27] <ubuntu> i am on live cd now so if i format it as ext2 use tune2fs -j it will be ext3 a'ght?
[10:27] <uga> yes
[10:27] <uga> some site suggests tune2fs -c 0 -i 30 -j /dev/hda1
[10:27] <jthomas> frojnd: did you knock something loose inside of the computer?  a cable or other card or memory?
[10:27] <ScorpKing> ty uga. :) i got lost. :)
[10:27] <uga> that's for number of mounts before checking, etc
[10:27] <uga> ScorpKing: np
[10:27] <ubuntu> uga: so what should i use then lol?
[10:28] <uga> ubuntu: that option sounds sane
[10:28] <uga> ubuntu: it's telling the OS how often to check the filesystem for errors
[10:28] <ubuntu> uga: so tune2fs -j /dev/partition is enough right?
[10:28] <uga> ubuntu: "Adjust -c and -i according to local policy: -c means check every N mounts; 0 disables it, and it's kind of irrelevant in a datacenter environment. -i means check every N days, here, at the next reboot if 30 days have gone by. One or the other of these should be positive; otherwise fsck will never get run."
[10:29] <uga> so he's enabling a filesystem check every 30 days
[10:29] <ubuntu> ah
[10:29] <uga> ubuntu: yes, that's enough. He's just enabling filesystemchecks in a logical manner
[10:29] <ubuntu> uga: its better to allow that system check?
[10:29] <uga> ubuntu: I was checking it here http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/documents/convert2ext3.html
[10:30] <uga> ubuntu: not sure what's the default ubuntu policy. But yes, it sounds sane.
[10:31] <ubuntu> uga: but why i have to do this when lastly i was installing kubuntu i could format it as ext3 w/o any probs? =/
[10:32] <uga> ubuntu: ah, no idea. I missed the origin of the conversation
[10:32] <RobM05x> how big is the upgrade MB wise to go from 7.04 to 7.10?
[10:32] <uga> I dont' know why you got it installed on ext2
[10:32] <uga> anyone knows how to read parameters set previously with tune2fs?
[10:32] <Schuenemann> heya
[10:33] <Schuenemann> why is kubuntu a dvd now?
[10:33] <uga> Schuenemann: you have installer CDs
[10:33] <uga> no need for DVD
[10:34] <Schuenemann> for gutsy?
[10:34] <uga> gutsy isn't out yet, but yes. The installer I downloaded was on CD
[10:34] <Schuenemann> I only found dvd versions at the web page
[10:34] <Schuenemann> so, why a dvd version?
[10:34] <uga> !releases
[10:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:35] <ibilic> how do I enable my partitions?
[10:35] <uga> uhm, not there. Strange
[10:35] <ibilic> in system settings, it says that they are disabled
[10:35] <underdog5004> ibilic, what do you mean exactly?
[10:35] <ibilic> ok, i have 2 partitions that I want to access
[10:36] <Yorokobi> Schuenemann, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[10:36] <uga> ibilic: enter administrator mode (on the bottom), and right click, modify
[10:36] <ibilic> apparently, they are mounted (I am looking at the Disk & Filesystems in System Settings)
[10:36] <ibilic> but they are not "Enabled"
[10:36] <underdog5004> ibilic, where are they mounted?
[10:36] <jthomas> ibilic: 'enabled' to do what?
[10:37] <ibilic>  /mnt/sdb1 and /mnt/sdb2
[10:37] <ibilic> I don't know, just look at the GUI, they are not Enabled... no idea what that means
[10:37] <ibilic> but I surely can't see the files
[10:37] <Schuenemann> Yorokobi, is that tribe 5?
[10:37] <ibilic> sorry, I enabled them
[10:37] <ibilic> now they work
[10:38] <jthomas> look at what part of the GUI?  what is telling you this infomation? ibilic
[10:38] <ubuntu> uga: k tyvm now in qtparted shows ext3
[10:38] <underdog5004> ibilic, try cd'ing to /mnt/sdb1
[10:38] <ubuntu> uga: so its done?
[10:38] <jthomas> ibilic: how did you enable them?
[10:38] <ibilic> I just clicked on "Enable" lol
[10:38] <jthomas> but where?  what application?  what setting?
[10:38] <ibilic> but I was confused because I checked the box "Enable at Startup"
[10:38] <jthomas> i have never seen this
[10:38] <ibilic> and they were not enabled
[10:38] <RobM05x> what's the linux alternative to Darkroom? http://they.misled.us/dark-room? emacs in a terminal?
[10:39] <jthomas> ibilic: where did you enable the drives?
[10:39] <ibilic> ok, in Kubuntu, go to "Stert", then System Settings, then to the Advanced tab, then to Disk & Filesystems
[10:39] <uga> Schuenemann: for example: ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/.pool/
[10:39] <jthomas> hmm
[10:39] <jthomas> thanks
[10:39] <uga> Schuenemann: all mirrors have CDs of gutsy
[10:40] <uga> ubuntu: should be. Just in case check /etc/fstab, to see if it mentions ext2
[10:40] <uga> ubuntu: you should edit it and set it to ext3, if so
[10:40] <uga> else they'll be used without journaling
[10:40] <Schuenemann> uga, weird, in the morning I only found a page full of dvd files
[10:41] <ubuntu> uga: it doesnt show that partition there loal
[10:41] <Yorokobi> Schuenemann, it should be, if not, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will bring you current.
[10:41] <uga> ubuntu: if it's automounted, then it must be there
[10:42] <ubuntu> uga: i mouted it
[10:42] <uga> ahk
[10:42] <ubuntu> mounted*
[10:42] <uga> ubuntu: just take care that when you add it, you add them as ext3 and be done
[10:42] <ubuntu> uga: i have to add em?
[10:42] <uga> I wonder what will happen to reiser4
[10:43] <Schuenemann> what is the dvd version anyway, uga?
[10:43] <uga> ubuntu: I don't think kubuntu will autodetect them after the install. Not sure, maybe it will
[10:43] <uga> Schuenemann: no idea
[10:43] <uga> Schuenemann: possibly tons of packages usually installed from the net, packed
[10:43] <ubuntu> uga: so if not i have to edit /etc/fstab and retype from ext2 to ext3 in that partition parrt?
[10:44] <uga> ubuntu: yes, just copy the previous line, as example
[10:44] <uga> uhm.. what I don't know is...
[10:44] <ubuntu> uga: well  i am on livecd atm so if after installation to my hdd will show ext2 i need to change it?
[10:44] <uga> anybody knows how I can read the uuid of a disk?
[10:45] <uga> rather, partition. ie, uuid of sda1 for example
[10:45] <uga> ubuntu: ah, yes. The live cd won't show your hdd disks, obviously ;)
[10:45] <uga> (on fstab, I mean)
[10:46] <ubuntu> so i am need to change it upon system install
[10:46] <ubuntu> *needed
[10:47] <uga> if you haven't installed it yet, and you install it, then the partition will be set up as ext3
[10:49] <uga> ubuntu: and btw... I think that my second ide disk was autodetected when I installed it afterwards, since it shows up on system settings at least
[10:49] <uga> even if fstab was untouche
[10:49] <uga> d
[10:49] <ubuntu> uga: just tell me i just check fstab and if it shows ext2 in that case i rewrite it?
[10:50] <uga> ubuntu: just tell me what you are doing, else I can't tell =)
[10:50] <uga> ubuntu: have you previously installed kubuntu?
[10:50] <uga> or you are installing kubuntu
[10:54] <ubuntu> uga: i have had installed kubuntu home and / with ext3
[10:54] <ubuntu> now wanted to reinstall
[10:54] <ubuntu> but for home only ext2 option was not ext3
[10:55] <uga> ubuntu: if you reinstall kubuntu, it will create a new fstab
[10:55] <uga> and that will contain ext3 entries
[10:55] <uga> else just edit it, but it will. Don't worry
[10:55] <ubuntu> so   idont have to change it
[10:55] <uga> possibly not
[10:55] <ubuntu> and the partition is already ext3
[10:55] <uga> yes
[10:55] <ubuntu> k ty mate ^^
[10:56] <{rm-rf> Hi
[10:56] <{rm-rf> I've got a weird question
[10:56] <ScorpKing> ask away...
[10:56] <{rm-rf> what's the difference between the kubuntu distro ? I mean I have 6.06 LTS
[10:56] <{rm-rf> but I have not upgraded to recent versions
[10:57] <{rm-rf> I prefer to compile my kernel by hand, am I missing something ?
[10:57] <ScorpKing> each version gets better.
[10:57] <{rm-rf> in which way ?
[10:57] <{rm-rf> is it only kernel related ?
[10:57] <ScorpKing> using later software...
[10:58] <ScorpKing> and there is always ongoing changes to make things better for users. like installing.
[10:58] <underdog5004> {rm-rf, there is no difference, just a different selection of default packages...
[10:58] <LjL> {rm-rf: newer versions of packages and new ubuntu-specific features.
[10:58] <ibilic> how do I check for free space on my sda3 partition?
[10:58] <LjL> {rm-rf: google for "ubuntu blueprints" for the latter, and look at http://packages.ubuntu.com for the former
[10:58] <underdog5004>  ibilic df -h
[10:59] <ScorpKing> ibilic: df
[10:59] <{rm-rf> hmm I see
[10:59] <ibilic> thanks
[10:59] <underdog5004> np
[11:00] <{rm-rf> thx. And by the way how can I upgrade the distro, is it something as easy as using adept to upgrade ? Can I use my own kernel ?
[11:00] <underdog5004> {rm-rf, update-manager
[11:00] <underdog5004> erm... update-manager -c, I think
[11:00] <uga> !update-manager
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about update-manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <{rm-rf> cheers
[11:00] <uga> people create new apps on a daily basis =)
[11:01] <underdog5004> !upgrade-manager
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade-manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <underdog5004> !info update-manager
[11:01] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.59.25 (feisty), package size 849 kB, installed size 2088 kB
[11:01] <underdog5004> there we go
[11:01] <frojnd> !wireless
[11:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:02] <uga> underdog5004: heh, why use gnome apps when you have similar apps already installed on kubuntu =)
[11:02] <{rm-rf> yup I've got this package, downloading it, thx a lot
[11:02] <{rm-rf> ah yeah, it's gnome, does it mater ?
[11:02] <underdog5004> uga, you can use it from the cli as well, with update-manager-core
[11:03] <uga> underdog5004: if you want to use cli, you just edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to gutsy and use apt-get
[11:03] <uga> no need to extra apps
[11:03] <underdog5004> uga, no no no, that's a very bad way to upgrade
[11:03] <uga> uh? worked here =)
[11:03] <underdog5004> uga, yeah, but I've borked a few machines using that method
[11:04] <uga> heh, you have to be cautious, yes ;)
[11:04] <dwidmann> underdog5004: how so? I've been doing it that way for three years and have yet to see anything wrong with it
[11:04] <underdog5004> !worksforme
[11:04] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[11:04] <underdog5004> anyway, I'm just relating my experiences and others
[11:05] <uga> underdog5004: what's it that the update-manager you mentioned does differently
[11:05] <underdog5004> uga, that's the "official" way to do the upgrade
[11:05] <uga> I wish I knew what it exactly does... I see it could break in a similar way
[11:06] <uga> I had quite a few dependancy problems that I had to fix manually
[11:06] <uga> and I doubt any app will do that cleanly
[11:06] <uga> unless it uses --force-foo, which... I really don't accept
[11:06] <uga> underdog5004: you know, I'm one of those guys that don't trust automatic stuff, so he prefers doing stuff manually ;))
[11:07] <Creationist> What Firefox plugin is used in KDE to view embedded videos?  I don't want to have to use MPlayer and the VLC plugin doesn't work.
[11:07] <uga> underdog5004: I feel like inside a car that drives on its own...
[11:07] <stoft> Creationist: flashvid or other?
[11:07] <uga> no, I'd rather hold the steering wheel :P
[11:07] <underdog5004> Creationist, mozilla-plugin-vlc, I think
[11:07] <Creationist> stoft: Not just flash, but embedded mpg, mov, etc.
[11:07] <Creationist> underdog5004: Yeah, that plugin has never worked for me.
[11:07] <underdog5004> argh, the glare on my computer monitor is killing me...see you all later
[11:07] <uga> Creationist: uh? kde doesn't use firefox plugins
[11:08] <uga> it'll use kaffeine possibly
[11:08] <underdog5004> Creationist, mozilla-plugin-mplayer as well
[11:08] <ScorpKing> how can i add a user with adduser and give it uid and gid of 1005 ?
[11:08] <Creationist> underdog5004: You didn't read my whole question, did you? lol
[11:08] <abominius> ScorpKing: man adduser
[11:08] <Creationist> uga: Okay, well KDE + Firefox ;)
[11:08] <Creationist> ...konqueror sucks, IMO
[11:08] <bjwebb> hi!
[11:08] <bjwebb> Creationist: lol
[11:08] <uga> Creationist: firefox sucks imho ;))
[11:09] <uga> so I don't really use it. I can't tell, really
[11:09] <ScorpKing> abominius: hehe. was hoping not to read the man pages. lol
[11:09] <bjwebb> uga: :O
[11:09] <abominius> good
[11:09] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:09] <abominius> RTFM ! :D
[11:09] <uga> bjwebb: no kidding. Why should I know what plugin firefox uses, if I don't use it ;)
[11:10] <uga> bjwebb: about sucking or not sucking, I just responded with the same qualifying adjective ;)
[11:10] <bjwebb> grrr
[11:10] <Creationist> Now, there's no need to be mean.  Most people, KDE or Gnome, use Firefox, as I understand...
[11:10] <uga> bjwebb: anyway, unless somebody really fixes firefox's startup time, and the reason why it takes 2 runs to start up...
[11:10] <Creationist> I've never really given Konq a chance, of course.
[11:10] <uga> ie, make it lighter
[11:11] <jthomas> konq has its ups and downs
[11:11] <erik> Hello everyone. A rather simpel question I guess: I succesfully installed Kubuntu 7.10. Via Adept I succesfully installed Compiz 0.6.0 and the Compiz Settings Manager. Where can I turn on Compiz ? (no 3D effects visible up to now)
[11:11] <uga> Creationist: developers and network managers love some features found in konqui though
[11:11] <uga> Creationist: for the average user, firefox is okay
[11:12] <jthomas> yeah i am an admin, and konq has some great tools for that.  but for web browsing, it needs some love... not sure *what* i dislike, but it just feels off
[11:12] <FunnyLookinHat> erik, you should be able to run compiz --replace in a console to start it
[11:12] <uga> heh, maybe I got used to the thinner rendered fonts of konqui. It works okay here
[11:12] <stoft> Creationist: other than mplayer or vlc, not sure what you could plugin, maybe xine has something?
[11:13] <stoft> the flashplugin will take care of flv for you though
[11:13] <FunnyLookinHat> erik, but further support can be found in #ubuntu-effects
[11:13] <bjwebb> anyway, is there a way to make non-kde apps use the OSX like menu at the top setting?
[11:13] <erik> FunnyLookinHat: is there a GUI way to turn it on ?
[11:13] <ScorpKing> abominius: adduser username --uid 1005 - hehe
[11:13] <abominius> :D
[11:13] <abominius> was siple
[11:13] <abominius> simple
[11:13] <abominius> :D
[11:14] <uga> bjwebb: lets put it simple. Firefox rocks on rendering porn pages ;)
[11:14] <fdoving> bjwebb: not that i'm aware of. i also think that would be hard to accomplish from a technical point of view.
[11:14] <uga> unlike konqui :P
[11:14] <FunnyLookinHat> erik, you can add it to your startup programs...  but not really
[11:14] <bjwebb> fdoving: hmm, does osx manage it btw?
[11:14] <erik> FunnyLookinHat: thx for directing me to the right IRC channel !
[11:14] <stoft> anyone know how to top a process without having to first looking up the pid, alternately how to pipe the pid from ps to top?
[11:14] <Creationist> erik: You could always just press Alt-F2 and type in "compiz --replace" ;)
[11:15] <fdoving> bjwebb: probably only for apps built with the magic-osx-toolkit i guess.
[11:15] <stoft> s/looking/look/
[11:15] <Creationist> erik: Then you wouldn't have to use the console (or create a link to the application on your desktop).
[11:15] <Creationist> erik: Just make sure you are aware of the "kwin --replace" command as well.... and be sure to install Emerald since for some reason the Ubuntu devs didn't think to install that along with Compiz.
[11:16] <fdoving> Creationist: one usually use kde-window-decorator with kde, emerald with gnome.. or atleast that's what i do.
[11:16] <uga> stoft: do you know ksysguard?
[11:17] <uga> stoft: it includes a search entry..
[11:17] <uga> I don't know if top could do same
[11:17] <uga> stoft: just press ctrl+esc
[11:17] <fdoving> stoft: htop is a nice app.
[11:17] <Creationist> fdoving: I had heard that, but kde-window-decorator isn't even in the Gutsy reps
[11:17] <erik> Creationist: "kwin --replace" reactivates the kwindows manager I suppose ?
[11:17] <fdoving> Creationist: package name is 'compiz-kde'
[11:17] <Creationist> ah
[11:18] <Creationist> erik: Correct - it will stop Compiz.
[11:18] <stoft> uga: thanks for the tip, too graphical though
[11:18] <stoft> fdoving: thnx, I'll look into it
[11:18] <uga> stoft: yeah I know, but sometimes gfx apps can't be rejected
[11:18] <stoft> true
[11:19] <uga> let me know next time you write an audio CD using cdrdao, without k3b ;))
[11:19] <stoft> but if vlc can stream across telnet, I'll be damned if top can't be enticed to play nice
[11:20] <fdoving> uga: apt-cache show burn :)
[11:20] <uga> stoft: =)
[11:20] <uga> fdoving: and what next. watching your next movie on ncurses interface? ;))
[11:21] <fdoving> uga: yeah, i use the aalib output plugin with mplayer.
[11:21] <uga> lol
[11:21] <bjwebb> hmmmmmmmm
[11:21] <uga> there's computer users, there's geeks,... and there's computer slaves ;)
[11:21] <bjwebb> fdoving: http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14firefox.png
[11:22] <fdoving> bjwebb: yeah, it's made for mac. it's not a gtk app on mac. it's this osx-toolkit-thing i don't remember the name of.
[11:22] <stoft> ps -C myapp -o pid will give me just the pid, but how do I pipe it to top -p?
[11:22] <fdoving> stoft: xargs
[11:23] <bjwebb> fdoving: :S
[11:23] <bjwebb> i don't want it anyway ;)
[11:23] <stoft> thnx fdoving, almost there now, just need to remove the header...
[11:23] <bjwebb> its just i want to show linux can do pretty much everything mac can
[11:24] <bjwebb> hmmm would it work if they made a qt firefox....
[11:24] <stoft> top -p `ps -C opera -o pid|grep -v PID`
[11:24] <fdoving> bjwebb: yes.
[11:24] <tarek_> when i want to activate my restricted driver, i get the following message
[11:24] <bjwebb> ....
[11:25] <cloakable> really?
[11:25] <tarek_> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages
[11:25] <fdoving> stoft: or: top -p $(pidof opera)
[11:25] <tarek_> or the commit would break packages
[11:25] <erik> Creationist: in the Ubuntu version you can activita Compiz via the "Visual Effects"-tab. Any idea why there is no GUI tool for Kubuntu ? (was there a GUI for 7.04?)
[11:26] <stoft> gah! fdoving, thnx, didn't know there was a pidof
[11:27] <Kubs_on_rocks> hey, does anyone can help me? How do I load kubuntu in konsole only mode?
[11:28] <ConstyXIV> how do you get the systray to keep everything in 2 lines?
[11:28] <feierfox> how to connect to a VPN server?
[11:28] <fdoving> Kubs_on_rocks: are you talking about recovery mode or just server-mode with no graphical environment running?
[11:28] <feierfox> i have the serveradress, my user and my pass
[11:28] <feierfox> but how to do :/
[11:28] <elkang> hmmm do u mean the shell u get with <str> <alt><f1> ConstyXIV
[11:28] <Kubs_on_rocks> second one!
[11:29] <elkang> hmmm do u mean the shell u get with <str> <alt><f1> Kubs_on_rocks
[11:29] <fdoving> ConstyXIV: increase its size. 'Large' makes two lines.
[11:29] <Creationist> erik: Kubuntu is the red-headed stepchild of the Ubuntu project, if that makes things any clearer for you ;)
[11:30] <Kubs_on_rocks> server mode only....
[11:30] <Creationist> erik: No, there was no gui for it in 7.04.
[11:30] <elkang> feierfox: get vpnc!
[11:30] <elkang> im using it as well =)
[11:30] <soldaat> oke
[11:30] <soldaat> alles goed?
[11:30] <Kubs_on_rocks> I wanna run kubuntu with no graphical interface, only konsole, how do I do that?
[11:31] <feierfox> ok, now i have vpnc
[11:31] <Creationist> Kubs_on_rocks: Sudo apt-get autoremove --purge kde-base
[11:31] <erik> Creationist: is "compiz --replace" permanent ? (if I reboot, is compiz still enabled?)
[11:31] <elkang> ok just run it
[11:31] <Creationist> erik: No.  You will need to (manually) add it to your startup options.
[11:31] <elkang> and if it works for u feierfox you can create a conf file with ip and login
[11:31] <Creationist> erik: Or, if you're familiar with the Session Manager, simply save a session while Compiz is running (that is how I did it)
[11:32] <phoenixz> elkang, Hi there, I just started using kvpnc to connect to a company VPN access point... They could not tell me much about it, but I figure its open swan.. The problem though is that when I connect, I get this error:  error: [freeswan err]  only freeswan version 1.x is supported  This means that kvpnc only supports 1.x and the server another version, or vice versa? And, how can I fix this problem?
[11:32] <fdoving> Kubs_on_rocks: then you need to stop kdm from starting, basically. so, go to kmenu -> system settings -> advanced (tab) -> system services -> find kdm, right-click toggle-start at boot...
[11:32] <erik> Creationist: where can I add it to my startup options ? (thx for your help btw!!)
[11:33] <elkang> hmm phoenixz I dont know about kvpnc and/or freeswan =/
[11:33] <Kubs_on_rocks> ok! I'll try that fdoving
[11:33] <Kubs_on_rocks> thanx for helping
[11:34] <Kubs_on_rocks> Thanx Creationist
[11:34] <Creationist> erik: I believe you simply add a symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:34] <Creationist> But since I didn't do it that way, I'm not positive how
[11:34] <phoenixz> elkang, but which are you using then for vpn?
[11:35] <feierfox> huuuh
[11:35] <elkang> phoenixz: im using vpnc, it works over the console
[11:36] <elkang> its pretty simple but works well for our vpn here
[11:36] <phoenixz> elkang, but it only supports ipsec I see?
[11:36] <elkang> yeah =/ thats why i said dont know freeswan^
[11:37] <phoenixz> mmm, let me see if they support ipsec here... they cant even tell me that
[11:37] <elkang> :D
[11:38] <elkang> I guess Im lucky, cause vpnc was written by our unix ag at university =)
[11:38] <elkang> so it works perrrrfect here ^^
[11:41] <Kubs_on_rocks> allright... Bye!!
[11:41] <phoenixz> elkang, Im not so lucky
[11:41] <elkang> =/
[11:45] <bjwebb> would ffmepg -i input.flv output.mp3 work
[11:54] <hector> lalalal
[11:55] <Stilo> How can i disable a Plugin of kxdocker?
[11:56] <Stilo> i have installed the taskbar blugin, but i dont like it..
[11:56] <Stilo> p
[11:56] <hector> lol
[11:59] <sub[t] rnl> greetings all
[12:02] <Schuenemann> greetings, command
[12:07] <earl_> is there a channel for help with mplayer?
[12:10] <phoenixz> Im trying to use kooka to scan with the network scanner/printer combo but its not really working.. Can kooka scan from a network attached printer?
[12:15] <ptfd9100> gtk-qt engine broken suddenly?
[12:17] <phoenixz>  /join #php
[12:18] <Schuenemann> phoenixz, is the printer working?
[12:18] <ptfd9100> anyone having compiz trouble?
[12:19] <Schuenemann> working from your computer, of course
[12:24] <KaTet> Hello
[12:26] <ICXCNIKA> Hello KaTet
[12:28] <spimort> hi all
[12:28] <amerikanski> hello
[12:28] <KaTet> this is my  first time doing irc
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Hi-o.
[12:28] <elkang> hi
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Well welcome to Freenode, KaTet.
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Are you a Kubuntu user?
[12:28] <KaTet> yes
[12:29] <JenniTheOwl> Hey guys, my adept manager greyed out on me when i searched something and has frozen x.o what do i do?
[12:29] <spimort> hoe can i read my partition of windoes with kubuntu plz?
[12:29] <ICXCNIKA> Cool. I'm still trying to decide between the merits of Kubuntu and Xubuntu. Long time Windows user here.
[12:29] <spimort> how*
[12:29] <JenniTheOwl> id suggest duel booting to start then ICX
[12:29] <JenniTheOwl> :)
[12:29] <amerikanski> I use both :)
[12:29] <spimort> no body can answer?
[12:30] <JenniTheOwl> windows is like...my wow box
[12:30] <JenniTheOwl> XD
[12:30] <amerikanski> windows is good xD
[12:30] <amerikanski> everything works in windows
[12:30] <ICXCNIKA> Jenni: I plan on dual booting. Just have to figure out if I am going to use Xubuntu or Kubuntu with Windows.
[12:30] <elkang> spimort: did u mount it already? or wanna know how to mount?
[12:31] <ICXCNIKA> Well my problem with Windows amerikanski is that I often times cannot choose which programs I'd like /not/ to have. Such as Microsoft IE.
[12:31] <spimort> elkang ... i dont know how to mount
[12:31] <amerikanski> actually I want to know too
[12:31] <KaTet> spimort: normally it/they appear under /media
[12:31] <elkang> ok you know how to work in console? spimort
[12:31] <BluesKaj> amerikanski , luv that suomalainen nick :)
[12:32] <amerikanski> kyll
[12:32] <spimort> elkang ... yes a bit
[12:32] <elkang> ok open console and type sudo fdisk -l
[12:32] <spimort> ok
[12:32] <elkang> and look which is your windows partition
[12:33] <elkang> then type sudo mount /dev/xxx /mnt
[12:33] <elkang> where xxx is e.g. hda1
[12:33] <elkang> ur windows drive
[12:33] <spimort> ok wait ... im juste searh my windowas part
[12:33] <elkang> =)
[12:34] <spimort> the windows part is not in the list
[12:34] <elkang> whoot ... oO
[12:35] <spimort> hummm
[12:35] <elkang> do u have more than one hard drive?
[12:35] <spimort> yes ... 1 for windows and 1 for linux
[12:36] <elkang> ok, do u know which one is first and which second?
[12:36] <spimort> yes
[12:36] <elkang> what output did u get with fdisk -l
[12:36] <elkang> ?
[12:37] <spimort> wait
[12:37] <elkang> yep
[12:37] <spimort> you want all that it right?
[12:38] <elkang> give me all lines which are like that:
[12:38] <elkang> ah cant copy in here oO
[12:38] <elkang> "/dev/sda1   *           1        9728    78140128+   7  HPFS/NTFS"
[12:38] <elkang> ah rthat way^
[12:38] <spimort> ok
[12:38] <spimort> wait
[12:38] <spimort> con we go in pv plz
[12:38] <elkang> ookk