[11:31] <rgh> Noisemaker?
[11:32] <rgh> Non libre TyrellN6
[11:32] <rgh> Odin2 is sweet. Semi modular.
[11:33] <rgh> Surge (use vst3). Dunno if surge count as a subtractive synth
[14:53] <pkcbrandon_> im trying to enable intel turbo boost in studio controls but the option is greyed out and wont allow me to change it. pls help, im using to intel xeon x5675 cpus
[15:01] <oerheks> this howto might help, not sure it gives control in Ubuntu Studio .. https://blog.christophersmart.com/2017/02/08/manage-intel-turbo-boost-with-systemd/
[15:01] <sakrecoer[b]> thanks rgh ! :)
[15:05] <sakrecoer[b]> I'm a sucker for stuff like Odin2 where the UI emulates the gear i'm used too :') (/me is old fart) I hope it sounds as good as it looks...
[15:05] <sakrecoer[b]> gah, i knew i should have waited until work was over before looking those names up haha
[15:08] <pkcbrandon_> i tried that already and it did not work
[15:44] <OvenWerks> The xeon may not have Boost, or it may be turned of in the bios. If studio-controls has Boost settings greyed out, it means the control is not there to be set
[15:46] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: The control we use to turn boost on and off is set by the kernel. So if the bios shows a boost setting and the kernel does not. this would be something that the mainline kernal does not recognize at least in the version ubuntu is using right now.
[15:48] <pkcbrandon_> bios setting is turned on. so is the kernel something i can fix or does this mean i gotta wait?
[15:48] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: normally Boost in on by default unless turned off in bios. We control Boost because it is bad for low latency audio
[15:49] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: are you sure boost is not working?
[15:49] <OvenWerks> if you monitor cpu speed does it never reach beyond rated speed?
[15:50] <pkcbrandon_> i just assume it wasnt because the option in the studio controls was off and freyed out
[15:50] <pkcbrandon_> greyed out
[15:51] <OvenWerks> I would not rely on that. if it is truned on in bios, it is probably running as the cpu controls it's own speed in most cases
[15:51] <OvenWerks> As I said we are more concerned with turning it off than on.
[15:52] <pkcbrandon_> okay thanks. i do more video editing/rendering so what whould be best for me?
[15:53] <OvenWerks> I would want boost on for that
[15:53] <pkcbrandon_> my GPU is a nvidia quadro 4000
[15:56] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: do you have cpufreq installed?
[15:56] <pkcbrandon_> yes
[15:57] <OvenWerks> if I look at cpufreq-info -c 0
[15:57] <OvenWerks> current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 3.60 GHz
[15:57] <OvenWerks> is with Boost on
[15:58] <OvenWerks> and current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 3.20 GHz
[15:58] <OvenWerks> with boost off
[15:59] <OvenWerks> my cpu is rated at 3.2G but boost allows upto 3.6G
[16:01] <OvenWerks> cpupower-gui may allow you to set max frequency higher too.
[16:08] <pkcbrandon_> thank you
[17:36] <wonko> does that all work the same way for AMD?
[17:36] <wonko> hardware limits: 2.20 GHz - 4.10 GHz
[17:36] <wonko> but I know it can go further than 4.1
[17:37] <OvenWerks> wonko: I do not know if controls shows anything meaningful for AMD.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> I also do not know if the kernel drivers for AMD work the same (I suspect not). I also think AMD allows the CPU much more control of CPU speed.
[17:39] <wonko> cpupower-gui and cpufreq-info all say 4.1 as the upper limit
[17:39] <wonko> hmm, so I need to watch cpu speed and run it hard to see what happens
[17:40] <OvenWerks> wonko: have you tried cpu-checker?
[17:42] <wonko> how do I use that? There is a package by that name but no command by that name
[17:43] <OvenWerks> I have never used it :)
[17:44] <wonko> oh, cpu-checker gets you kvm-ok
[17:44] <OvenWerks> Also use stress to load cpu cores
[17:45] <OvenWerks> Actually there are a bunch of stress related packages available some may be easier to use than stress.
[17:49] <wonko> I'm running a single thread test with sysbench and watching it with s-tui right now
[17:49] <wonko> it looks like it doesn't go past 4.1
[17:49] <wonko> like even a tiny little bit
[17:50] <OvenWerks> wonko: normally with a boost like setup if one core is stressed with thge others idle, that core will over speed.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> it may be that if your cpu is in performance mode, over speeding is turned off
[17:52] <wonko> you mean the govenor?
[17:52] <OvenWerks> yes
[17:52] <wonko> which one do I want?
[17:52] <wonko> ondemand?
[17:52] <OvenWerks> that is probably the only other one
[17:53] <OvenWerks> It may vary also by which kernel you use
[17:53] <wonko> with ondemand it still doesn't seem to go above 4.1
[17:55] <OvenWerks> it would be interesting to know what speeds and governors are available with the generic kernel and studio-controls not installed
[17:56] <OvenWerks> what driver does cpufreq say you have? Mine says intel_pstate
[17:56] <OvenWerks> I am guessing you have something different
[18:00] <OvenWerks> my son's AMD says driver: acpi-cpufreq
[18:00] <wonko> yeah, same here
[18:00] <OvenWerks> I think that is completely software based. I think that is why there is no over boost available
[18:03] <wonko> Hmmm
[18:03] <wonko> not super thrilled about that. :-D
[18:03] <OvenWerks> Yeah
[18:09] <wonko> Ok, so I'm running 5.8 which has the AMD CPPC stuff in it (which I do see, cores 4 and 10 are the fast ones and a single threaded sysbench will bounce between them.
[18:09] <wonko> but that doesn't seem to be enough to let it go past 4.1
[18:11] <wonko> Hmm, there is a much newer bios
[18:11] <wonko> I may way want to install that
[18:16] <OvenWerks> AMD has been slow at providing kernel modules to control cpu governing
[18:16] <OvenWerks> The only one available is the one you have
[18:22] <chip_luxury_ewa[> HI
[18:22] <chip_luxury_ewa[> whats up?
[18:27] <OvenWerks> wonko: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/pm/cpufreq.html#frequency-boost-support
[18:28] <OvenWerks> wonko: I know this is for an older kernel but shows that AMD should allows over speeding with the boost control.
[18:32] <OvenWerks> wonko: also read: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-New-CPUFreq-CPPC
[18:33] <OvenWerks> wonko it seems AMD is working on something. We await amd_cpufreq as a driver unless you want to roll your own kernel.
[18:35] <wonko> so, it looks like some bios options got tweaked (I did update the bios though while I was at it)
[18:35] <wonko> that auto-tuning bullshit seems to have been run (there was a stupid windows utility that could tweak that)
[18:35] <wonko> and it was locking the cpu to 4.1
[18:35] <wonko> I'm now hitting 4.3 easily
[18:35] <OvenWerks> usefull
[18:35] <wonko> it's so stupid
[18:36] <wonko> I like ASUS motherboards, but their utilities are all univerally garbage
[18:36] <wonko> *universally
[18:37] <wonko> Anyway, that was a fun little rabbit hole. :)
[18:38] <wonko> and I'm on performance
[18:38] <wonko> and hitting 4.3
[18:38] <wonko> so that's all good
[18:38] <wonko> hardware limits: 2.20 GHz - 3.80 GHz
[18:38] <wonko> that's ausing that the upper limit actually went down. :)
[18:39] <wonko> anyway, gotta run, bbiab
[21:24] <rgh> 徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット: if you wanna hear what Odin2 can do : https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-136-odin-2
[21:24] <rgh> tracks made with only Odin2 (no samples and such)
[21:24] <rgh> I didn't finish my entry
[21:31] <sakrecoer[b]> <rgh "I didn't finish my entry "> looks like you still have 19 days though
[21:32] <rgh> no the odin2 was a few months back
[21:32] <rgh> I currently don't make much music anyway
[21:32] <sakrecoer[b]> oh... the page has a HUGE 19 for "days left"
[21:32] <rgh> get your hardware setup becuase current OSC is HARDWARE only
[21:33] <rgh> but, only true synths, no romplers
[21:33] <rgh> or hardware emulations, that's allowed too fc
[21:33] <rgh> Dexed, or OBXD
[21:34] <rgh> real heros use this ofc https://github.com/linuxmao-org/VL1-emulator
[21:34] <sakrecoer[b]> in few months... until then i have to make to experience the software only condition for libre-musicians. (after that i will be too comfortable again)
[21:35] <sakrecoer[b]> * in few months... until then i have to experience the software only condition for libre-musicians. (after that i will be too comfortable again)
[21:35] <rgh> well, plenty of software to choose from
[21:35] <rgh> we are spoiled
[21:35] <sakrecoer[b]> https://archive.org/details/OSC136Odin2 (google page above for ppl who avoid googlepages)
[21:36] <rgh> ah, I couldn't find that one :-)
[21:37] <sakrecoer[b]> <rgh "real heros use this ofc https://"> omg!!!
[21:37] <sakrecoer[b]> you speak french rgh ?
[21:37] <rgh> non
[21:37] <rgh> je suis hollandaise
[21:37] <rgh> I probably got that wrong
[21:38] <sakrecoer[b]> that casio keeps going in and out and in to my life
[21:38] <rgh> I was given a broken one :-(
[21:38] <rgh> I used it as a display piece, hoping one day I could have it repaired
[21:39] <rgh> I sold most of my old hw
[21:39] <rgh> out of space, out of time
[21:39] <rgh> things change
[21:39] <rgh> also, this talks should be in cafe lol
[21:39] <rgh> any channel I'm in -> instant #RANDOM
[21:39] <sakrecoer[b]> yes, they do... that's all i know for sure in fact: that things change
[21:40] <sakrecoer[b]> <rgh "also, this talks should be in ca"> agreed :) let's take it there


[00:01] <kszarlej> hey guys. is it possible to run cloud init network configuration on every boot>
[00:02] <kszarlej> so after I add another IP to NoCloud config drive for an existing KVM VM cloud-init after reboot will
[00:02] <kszarlej> set this interface up?
[19:22] <kszarlej> Hey guys. I am using cloud-init NoCloud on my KVM VMS to setup networking using network-config. On first boot cloud-init sets up networking interfaces correctly. After first boot modifying network settings (adding another IP address to interface) doesnt work - the address is not added after reboot. Is it by design (so cloud-init reads networking info only on first boot?)
[19:22] <kszarlej> If yes then is there any possible way to "rerun" network configuration on every boot using cloud-init?
[19:50] <kszarlej> besides rebooting I was also trying 'systemctl stop cloud-init-local.service  && systemctl start cloud-init-local.service'
[19:51] <kszarlej> but it also doesnt add the new IP address. I am sure that new network-config is in the ISO /dev/sr0
[20:35] <blkadder> cloud-init is designed to run once.
[20:37] <kszarlej> blkadder: but it has 'per-always' 'per-instance' etc
[20:37] <kszarlej> I would like to set that interfaces are being setup 'per-always'
[20:37] <blkadder> There is a way to run something on subsequent boots, I was looking it up....
[20:38] <kszarlej> but I cannot find which "module" is setting up networking
[20:39] <kszarlej> none of the /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg surely
[20:39] <kszarlej> of the listed in*
[20:39] <kszarlej> there isnt any 'network' module
[20:45] <kszarlej> it looks like it is done my cloud-init-local
[20:48] <blkadder> I think (not positive someone smarter here may know) that this is what you'd use some sort of config management tool for. Cloud-init provides initial config then you hand off to config management for things you need to do repeatedly.
[20:48] <blkadder> That's my understanding anyways...
[20:53] <kszarlej> Ye but then I duplicate networking configuration between two tools
[20:53] <kszarlej> cloud-init and ie. ansible
[20:54] <kszarlej> it would be much better if cloud-init could do that
[20:57] <blkadder> So don't have cloud-init handle the network config and just use ansible?
[21:02] <kszarlej> How will I access an host using ansible+ssh when it has network not configured on start? :)
[21:03] <kszarlej> I dont want to log to every KVM VM and set manually IP address
[21:04] <kszarlej> its 21th century :)
[23:12] <blkadder> kszarlej, Distribute your network config playbook as part of the initial cloud-init config and run it.


[05:05] <AskUbuntu> usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene exited with code 255 error in Ubuntu QT SDK | http://askubuntu.com/q/328768
[06:06] <mihir_> popey: Hey
[06:06] <mihir_> popey:  could you please test this merge proposal on device? https://code.launchpad.net/~ravirdv/ubuntu-calculator-app/calculator_label_width_fix/+merge/178497
[06:38] <mihir_> mhall119: Hey , Good Morning !!
[06:38] <mihir_> mhall119:  Do you have device to test?
[06:57] <dpm> good morning all
[07:02] <mihir_> Good morning :)
[07:04] <oSoMoN> good morning dpm
[07:05] <dpm> morning mihir_, morning oSoMoN :)
[07:05] <dpm> hey mihir_, last time we spoke before my holidays you were trying to get involved in core apps. Have you had the chance to look more into it?
[07:12] <mihir_> dpm: yeah i have started in Calculator app
[07:12] <dpm> excellent!
[07:13] <mihir_> dpm:  I am awaiting for one confimration for bug from design team to get it resoleved once it has been confirm I can work on that
[07:15] <dpm> mihir_, which bug is it? I can perhaps help
[07:15] <mihir_> Bug :- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1203267
[07:15] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1203267 in Ubuntu UX "The equal sign is placed under the result" [Undecided,New]
[07:17] <dpm> mihir_, thanks. I'll talk to the design team once they're up in about 1h
[07:18] <mihir_> Sure :) and as i had talk with popey . he told me that we should remove (=) equal sign from the result as it is not there in our wireframes :)
[07:21] <mihir_> dpm:  do you have device to test ?
[07:22] <dpm> mihir_, I do, but I need to update it and I'm not sure I'll be able today with my mobile broadband connection
[07:22] <mihir_> okay no problem :) I'll wait for someone to test one MR  , before approving it :)
[07:24] <dpm> mihir_, I'd suggest to go ahead and propose the merge request rather than waiting.
[07:24] <dpm> this way people can test it and review it already
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[07:36] <WebbyIT> Hi dpm, welcome back :)
[07:37] <WebbyIT> dpm, when you have time, can you help me with https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/language_support_city_search/+merge/175464 ?
[07:47] <zsombi> oSoMoN: ping
[07:47] <dpm> hey WebbyIT :)
[07:55] <dpm> WebbyIT, done
[07:55] <WebbyIT> dpm, thanks!
[07:58] <gusch> nerochiaro: can you review? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/qtubuntu-camera/qtcamera-flash-reset/+merge/178508
[07:59] <nerochiaro> gusch: yes, flashing my phone to latest then I'll be on it
[07:59] <nerochiaro> gusch: looking at the code already
[07:59] <gusch> nerochiaro: cool thx
[08:00] <oSoMoN> zsombi: pong
[08:01] <zsombi> oSoMoN: it seems that the IMA rework will cause some behavioral changes, which will be close to the MouseArea's behavior...
[08:01] <oSoMoN> zsombi: what are those changes?
[08:01] <zsombi> oSoMoN: like event propagation for instance happens only if you say event.accepted = false in pressed() and clicked() signals
[08:02] <oSoMoN> zsombi: sounds good to me
[08:02] <zsombi> oSoMoN: ok :)
[08:03] <zsombi> oSoMoN: I'm still working on it, I have few test cases broken still, but hopefully today I'll be able to fix those, so we can test it
[08:03] <zsombi> oSoMoN: do you have many places where you propagate events?
[08:04] <oSoMoN> zsombi: excellent, once you have a MR out I’ll test it
[08:04] <oSoMoN> zsombi: only one atm
[08:05] <zsombi> oSoMoN: good... however I think we will have few places in SDK where we need to check this thing, like for instance in toolbar handling... and notepad may also have some issues in case they use event propagation... let's see :)
[08:06] <oSoMoN> yes
[08:09] <tsdgeos> do we have plural handling built into i18n.tr() ?
[08:09] <tsdgeos> we do
[08:13] <timp> tsdgeos: yes, but apparently you need to add a .arg(..) that is not documented, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1184810
[08:13] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1184810 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[i18n] Plural form does not work as documented" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:14] <tsdgeos> timp: really? that's bad :D
[08:23] <mihir_> dpm:  any ways to get keyboard on machine simulator ?
[08:24] <dpm> mihir_, I don't know, sorry :/
[08:27] <nerochiaro> gusch: i'm trying your script to run jenkins test artifacts on the device, but in my case it seems to upload everything to the deveice but never actually run the tests. anything you can suggest ?
[08:28] <gusch> nerochiaro: did you run it with the "-s" option?
[08:29] <nerochiaro> gusch: yes, i tried that too
[08:29] <nerochiaro> gusch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5950429/
[08:29] <gusch> nerochiaro: hmmm - can you run "phablet-test-run -p camera-app-autopilot camera_app"?
[08:30] <gusch> nerochiaro: ah - the problem is, that it only works for the apps (and their autopilot tests)
[08:31] <gusch> nerochiaro: qtubuntu-camera does not have autopilot test
[08:31] <gusch> nerochiaro: you should run the camera-app tests (use my the command above)
[08:34] <nerochiaro> gusch: got it
[08:35] <gusch> nerochiaro: hmmm - and the script should be smart enough to catch such cases - but it's only a hack ;)
[08:35] <nerochiaro> gusch: it's ok, i wasn't thinking enough when i ran it on that branch :)
[08:43] <weblife> How to for Ubunto: Node.js / MongoDB setup to program to cloud with Juju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2GrIUlxOcs&feature=share&list=PLCTh_XwrphiKQHpqSG8mz_74U0_nrGxar
[08:48] <weblife> lol, ubunto. you know thats a typo I hope
[08:53] <nerochiaro> gusch: i am trying your MR for the qtubuntu-camera plugin together with the latest camera-app (from phablet-flash --pending) and i still see the same issue when i enable video recording torch then switch to front camera
[08:54] <gusch> nerochiaro: hmmm - maybe I adapted the camer-ui as well last week let me check
[09:04] <gusch> nerochiaro: works fine for me -what exact steps are you using to reproduce that issue?
[09:05] <nerochiaro> gusch: switch to video recording, activate torch, switch to front camera, (torch will turn off), switch back to photo capture, click on flash button, flash modes will not cycle anymore
[09:07] <gusch> nerochiaro: so you are still using the fron camera?
[09:08] <gusch> nerochiaro: so you are still using the front camera?
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D
[09:13] <timp> JamesTait: Good morning. Do you happen to know who came up with a Traffic Light Day, and *why*? :)
[09:17] <nik90> dpm: Hi, you are back :)
[09:17] <JamesTait> timp, although there's a reference to a traffic light day in May, I'm going to ignore that and claim credit for celebrating the installation of the world's first electric traffic signal on this day in 1914. :)
[09:17] <dpm> hey nik90 :)
[09:17] <dpm> I am indeed
[09:17] <nik90> dpm: How was your vacation?
[09:17] <dpm> tiring :)
[09:18] <nik90> hehe
[09:18] <dpm> not really a vacation, I've moved countries
[09:18] <dpm> so I took the time to do all the move
[09:18] <dpm> so now I need holidays to recover from my "holidays" ;)
[09:18] <nik90> ah, so where are you currently moved to?
[09:18] <dpm> to Germany
[09:18] <dpm> Stuttgart
[09:18] <nik90> ooh closer :)
[09:19] <timp> JamesTait: :)
[09:23] <gusch> nerochiaro: so you are still using the front camera when you try to switch the flash?
[09:23] <dpm> nik90, were are you based? Was it somewhere in the Netherlands?
[09:23] <nik90> yeah Delft, Netherlands
[09:29] <dpm> cool :)
[09:39] <nik90> dpm: do we need the autopilot ppa on suacy?
[09:40] <nik90> oops meant to ask baloons
[09:40] <nik90> balloons: do we need the autopilot ppa on saucy?
[09:42] <dpm> nik90, I'm not sure, best to ask balloons when he's around or perhaps om26er
[09:42] <WebbyIT> dpm, do you know that nik90 became an Ubuntu Member? :)
[09:43] <nik90> WebbyIT: hi :) Good Morning
[09:44] <dpm> WebbyIT, I wrote a testimonial for him, as he very much deserved it, but I didn't know it had already happened. Congrats nik90!!!
[09:44] <nik90> dpm: thnx. I just got it a few days back. You were on holiday
[09:44] <dpm> nice!
[09:45] <WebbyIT> hi nik90 :) Following dpm suggestions I improved https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/language_support_city_search/+merge/175464
[09:45] <WebbyIT> dpm, absolutely!
[09:46] <nik90> WebbyIT: Does the online API provide good results when used in other languages?
[09:46] <nik90> WebbyIT: Also what happens when the system returns a language code not present in the online API?
[09:47] <nik90> For instance if there is a language used by a user but which is not available in the online api
[09:48] <WebbyIT> nik90, I tring only with italian and it's work... if there is no language it uses the toponym Name
[09:49] <nik90> WebbyIT: ah ok. So it does fallback to something useful. That's nice
[09:51] <mihir_> dpm: I am getting this error while pushing MR bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calculator-app/RemovedOnclick": no supported schemes
[09:52] <mihir_> any idea?
[09:53] <WebbyIT> nik90, but there is a problem: country name is not transable (eg, London, United Kingdom in Italian is Londra, United Kingdom, but has to be Londra, Regno Unito)
[09:54] <dpm> mihir_, can you paste the command line you used to push?
[09:54] <mihir_> dpm: bzr push lp:~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calculator-app/RemovedOnclick/
[09:56] <nik90> WebbyIT: ah. let me check the online api
[09:57] <WebbyIT> nik90, http://api.geonames.org/search?q=londra&maxRows=5&username=krnekhelesh&style=full no way :-/
[09:57] <dpm> mihir_, are you also getting this message by any chance? ->
[09:57] <dpm> You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to
[09:57] <dpm> write to Launchpad or access private data. See "bzr help launchpad-login".
[09:58] <nik90> WebbyIT: yeah it seems they only provide translations for the city name
[09:59] <nik90> WebbyIT: it would look really wierd if the country name was in english while the city name is translated
[09:59] <nik90> WebbyIT: that said, in current phones, are the city names translated?
[10:00] <mihir_> dpm:  resolved thanks. my mistake forgot to login in bzr launchpad
[10:00] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[10:00] <mihir_> I forgot to  setup in my new machine
[10:00] <mihir_> can you help me to review that ?
[10:00] <dpm> no worries, glad it's sorted :)
[10:00] <WebbyIT> nik90, let's me check
[10:00] <dpm> mihir_, sure, have you sent the merge proposal?
[10:01] <WebbyIT> nik90, yes, on Android world city are in Italian
[10:02] <nik90> WebbyIT: okay. In that case, I will create a forum post in the online API website asking if this can be done or if that feature can be added soon.
[10:03] <WebbyIT> nik90, looks good.. I have shared a photo on G+ with you with italian translation, FYI
[10:03] <mihir_> dpm:  yes done :)
[10:03] <mihir_> dpm: here is the bug link :- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1207685
[10:03] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1207685 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Tapping a number pastes it each time you tap" [Undecided,New]
[10:04] <nik90> WebbyIT: okay. It seems we have the same phone :)
[10:05] <WebbyIT> nik90, \o/
[10:06] <mihir_> dpm: let me know if I have misunderstood bug :)
[10:07] <AskUbuntu> Glade, quickly and changing an image with code | http://askubuntu.com/q/328836
[10:08] <dpm> mihir_, reviewed and commented, thanks!
[10:08] <WebbyIT> mihir_, dpm that's not the way: the result has to be paste only once
[10:09] <WebbyIT> Uops, dpm was faster than me :)
[10:09] <dpm> WebbyIT, yeah, that's exactly the comment I added in my review. Good to see we're thinking alike :)
[10:10] <WebbyIT> dpm, I need your help to understand how we work with design team :) In this bug I asked a clarification, now the bug for UX is mark as fix commited, but I don't understand what I've to do
[10:10] <WebbyIT> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1207679
[10:10] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1207679 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Pencils appear before calculations are made" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:10]  * dpm looks
[10:12] <dpm> WebbyIT, let me see if I can get Christina on this channel
[10:13] <WebbyIT> thanks dpm
[10:14]  * nik90 would like to know how it works as well
[10:14] <nik90> WebbyIT: Nice question!
[10:19] <zsombi1> oSoMoN: Huston, we have a problem! The event propagation is an internal feature of the MouseArea and it only considers QQuickMouseAreas. This means that we can only handle proper event propagation if we derive from QQuickMouseArea. And that one is not so trivial :(
[10:21] <oSoMoN> zsombi: why not? QQuickMouseArea inherits from QQuickItem itself, right?
[10:22] <zsombi> oSoMoN: yes, and overriding contains() invokable would be enough... it's the composedEventPropagation that causes problems
[10:23] <zsombi> oSoMoN: if you check QQuickMouseArea implementation, you will see the propagate() and propagateHelper() methods whiuch actually do the job. No matter what I do, I cannot do proper propagation without that... but the main issue is to extend QQuickMouseArea
[10:24] <zsombi> oSoMoN: so far we had IMA derived from QQUickItem overriding the contains() method and filtering app events. But that's not good and implementing IMA just based on QQUickItem's mouse handling does not propagate the composed events properly :(
[10:26] <zsombi> oSoMoN: so clicked does not pass through :(
[10:27] <oSoMoN> zsombi: and can’t we simply implement IMA with two MAs, on that covers the surface of the view, and one on top that covers the item and swallows mouse events, preventing them from being propagated to the "IMA" ?
[10:27] <oSoMoN> as a benefit, that would be a pure QML solution
[10:28] <nik90> timp: ping
[10:29] <zsombi> oSoMoN: I was thinking on that too. The one covering the exclusion area (not the sensing) needs to pass through the mouse events, so a MouseArea from that hole shoudl be able to get mouse events...
[10:30] <nerochiaro> gusch: sorry, the electricity in the building started being very sketchy, and I found out they were doing some maintenance. should be over now. I might have missed some message from you, last i saw was you asking if I am still using the front camera: basically when i switch to front camera (screen side) the torch turns off but then no matter what i do i the button that controls torch/flash can't be operated anymore
[10:30] <nerochiaro> (regardless if i change recording mode or camera)
[10:30] <oSoMoN> zsombi: unless we ensure it is always behind the associated contents in the exclusion area
[10:30] <zsombi> oSoMoN: there is a QML solution which uses 4 MAs, but that is a bit resource eating too.
[10:31] <oSoMoN> zsombi: yeah, I don’t like this solution either
[10:31] <zsombi> oSoMoN: the one we have now is nicer as we have one component doing the job
[10:31] <gusch> nerochiaro: even after switching back to the back camera?
[10:32] <nik90> dpm: are any of the designers on irc? I am unable to find ckpringle, mehow or christina
[10:32] <oSoMoN> zsombi: an implementation with only 2 MAs should be acceptable, don’t you think?
[10:32] <dpm> nik90, they're not. I'm trying to get them in here
[10:33] <nerochiaro> gusch: ah, you're right, if i switch back it works again. i think the issue is that the screen side camera has no light/flash support and the icon should be greyed out, but isn't.
[10:33] <zsombi> oSoMoN: yes, if we can pass the events through the hole properly
[10:33] <dpm> nik90, also Calum left Canonical last week to seek new opportunities in another job at a design agency
[10:33] <zsombi> oSoMoN: I'll keep trying to get QQuickMouseArea derivate, and if it does the job, then we're pretty much done with it. Unless every touch event is really converted onto a mouse event
[10:34] <nik90> dpm: wat. that's too bad
[10:34] <timp> nik90: pong
[10:34] <dpm> nik90, yeah, that's what I told him too :/
[10:34] <oSoMoN> zsombi: but how about ensuring that the MA is below the content, you don’t need to pass events through anymore
[10:34] <nik90> timp: I found a bug because of a recent update to the tab headers.
[10:34] <nik90> timp: Let me grab a screenie for you
[10:35] <timp> nik90: ok
[10:35] <zsombi> oSoMoN: what do you mean?
[10:35] <timp> nik90: please also report it on http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[10:36] <nik90> timp: http://imgur.com/0gn6hy3
[10:36] <nik90> timp: sure
[10:36] <gusch> nerochiaro: yep - so I'd say it works - but the app needs to hande the "no flash"-case https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1124572
[10:36] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1124572 in camera-app "[camera] the n7 has no flash but the torch toggle is still enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:37] <nik90> timp: The tab header is colliding with the pagestack header
[10:37] <gusch> nerochiaro: but the hybris and plugin needs some work for that as well (working on that)
[10:37] <christina> hi dpm
[10:37] <oSoMoN> zsombi: take the case of a popover, you want to ensure that mouse events go to whatever contents is inside the popover, right? well if the MA that blocks events from going to the IMA is below that content, then you don’t have to deal with passing events through anymore, the z-order handles it automatically for you
[10:38] <dpm> hey christina, thanks for joining!
[10:38] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok, and after the plugin tells me if the camera is supported or not please reassign the bug to me so i'll have the UI handle it properly
[10:38] <dpm> christina, WebbyIT, from the calculator team had a question about bug 1207679 - it seems it's been marked as fix committed without further comment
[10:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1207679 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Pencils appear before calculations are made" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207679
[10:39] <timp> nik90: how did you structure your code? similar to the pagestack+tabs example on http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-tabs.html ?
[10:39] <timp> (it is a new example)
[10:39] <WebbyIT> hi christina, thanks for your availability. I don't understand if have I to delete both pencil or only one which refers to calc
[10:39] <nik90> timp: looking at it now to check
[10:40] <nik90> timp: I have structures it as shown in the examples
[10:40] <christina> ubot2`, i will take a look now
[10:40] <ubot2`> christina: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[10:40] <nik90> timp: so mainview -> pagestack -> tabs -> pages
[10:40] <zsombi> oSoMoN: I see... yes, in that case it is OK to use that. However this is one use case and in most of the cases the MA covering the hole should not even be used... so in that sense we could simply have one MA covering the sensingArea and one which is "alive" only when needed. But then we're almost there where we have one custom MA, which is what I'm trying to do now :) Let me try this prior we go with this approach
[10:41] <christina> dpm, WebbyIT, i will take a look now
[10:42] <dpm> great, thanks
[10:42] <timp> nik90: the example code works fine for me with qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin version 0.1.46+13.10.20130731-0ubuntu1
[10:42] <mihir_> christina: Need help on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1203267
[10:42] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1203267 in Ubuntu UX "[Calculator] The equal sign is placed under the result" [Undecided,New]
[10:42] <nik90> timp: yeah I just tried it as well on my comp
[10:42] <timp> nik90: can you check your version, and see if the example code works for you?
[10:42] <timp> nik90: ok, it works?
[10:42] <nik90> timp: the example works
[10:43] <timp> nik90: do you have a simple version of your code where it doesn't work well?
[10:43] <nik90> timp: will try to make it simple and then show you
[10:44] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'll do once, hybris and plugin are done
[10:45] <gusch> nerochiaro: although - you can already do the UI part (and query for the supported modes)
[10:45] <christina> mihir_, yep looking now
[10:45] <timp> nik90: great, thanks
[10:45] <timp> nik90: when you create a bug report, can you attach the code there? Full code please including imports so I can run it directly
[10:46] <oSoMoN> zsombi: ok, please keep me posted
[10:46] <zsombi> oSoMoN: will do
[10:48] <zsombi> oSoMoN: hehe :)
[10:48] <nik90> timp: yes
[10:48] <mihir_> i am leaving will be back after some time :) thank you :)
[10:49] <zsombi> oSoMoN: that's the new interface :) https://pastebin.canonical.com/95423/ The API is not changed as we derive from QQuickMouseArea, which has all the properties we had (+ more of course)
[10:49] <mihir_> dpm:  when user clicks on that result , it should be pasted only once correct ?
[10:50] <dpm> mihir_, that was my understanding, yes
[10:50] <mihir_> Okay :)
[10:50] <gusch> nerochiaro: so are you approving the MR?
[10:50] <mihir_> I am done with that I will send MR once I reach home :)
[10:51] <nerochiaro> gusch: yeah, i was checking a few more things but it's a yes so far
[10:52] <oSoMoN> zsombi: looks good, where is the IMA going to be positioned (which item will be its parent?)?
[10:52] <zsombi> the parent can be the hole, as it was before, or more precisely the hole is the item the IMA is anchored to
[10:52] <zsombi> oSoMoN: ^
[10:53] <christina> mihir_, hi, i've made a comment now. hope it helps :) let me knwo
[10:53] <zsombi> oSoMoN: the contains() method does and also did the magic. That one decides when to emit the signals
[10:53] <oSoMoN> zsombi: right, but effectively, will the IMA still be on top of every other item in the scene?
[10:54] <zsombi> oSoMoN: nope, works in the same way as the MA
[10:54] <zsombi> oSoMoN: I have your test.qml also included in my tests
[10:55] <gusch> nerochiaro: ah ok
[10:55] <nik90> timp: I am unable to reproduce this with the example code even after modifying it to be similar to the clock app. But suprisingly even the rss feeder app has this same issue.
[10:57] <nik90> timp: This is the structure used in the clock app http://paste.ubuntu.com/5950796/
[10:57] <oSoMoN> zsombi: perfect, thanks
[10:57] <nik90> timp: the interesting bit starts at line 103
[10:57] <zsombi> oSoMoN: just need to adjust few tests to get the propagation properly done, then I'll push it to you for testing
[10:58] <oSoMoN> cool
[11:00] <oSoMoN> gusch: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/increase-coverage/+merge/178506 ?
[11:01] <gusch> oSoMoN: sure
[11:01] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[11:02] <nerochiaro> gusch: approved, but it would be nice to have an autopilot test on camera-app to cover this case to prevent regressions
[11:03] <gusch> nerochiaro: thx - can you write that test?
[11:04] <nerochiaro> gusch: not right now but yes.
[11:04] <gusch> nerochiaro: cool thx
[11:36] <gusch> oSoMoN: I got that error when running the autopilot test on the desktop https://pastebin.canonical.com/95424/
[11:46] <oSoMoN> gusch: can you reproduce reliably the error?
[11:49] <gusch> oSoMoN: yes
[11:55] <oSoMoN> gusch: weird, let me test here (note that they pass in jenkins, so you shouldn’t have to worry about running them on your desktop)
[12:00] <gusch> oSoMoN: I wasn't able to run them on the device, so I did run the test on the desktop first
[12:01] <oSoMoN> gusch: ah, got it, that’s the test for which I had to increase the timeout, it’s racy, sometimes 2 seconds is not enough for the page to fully load and the chrome to hide…
[12:01] <oSoMoN> gusch: not related to this MR at all, but let me see if I can make the test more robust
[12:20] <oSoMoN> btw, why weren’t you able to run the tests on your device?
[12:30] <zsombi> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/inversemousearea-refactoring/+merge/178544
[12:31] <zsombi> timp: nerochiaro: hi guys, I need your help on testing/reviewing this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/inversemousearea-refactoring/+merge/178544
[12:32] <zsombi> timp: nerochiaro: pls test on the device too (my tablet id dead for now, it takes some time for its revival)
[12:32] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i can test with notes-app on the phone
[12:33] <zsombi> nerochiaro: thx!!! hopefully it handles touch events also properly!!!
[12:33] <nerochiaro> zsombi: but looking at the code of that MR ther are various commented out pieces of code in there. i don't think you should leave them in
[12:34] <nerochiaro> zsombi: also debug print statements
[12:34] <zsombi> nerochiaro: sure not! it's a work in progress MR, if you see it working properly, I'll make it clean!
[12:34] <zsombi> nerochiaro: just want to keep it in needs review status to get jenkins testing it
[12:35] <oSoMoN> zsombi: I’m going for lunch now, will test thoroughly when I’m back
[12:35] <nerochiaro> zsombi: ok, i'll test it on my device when jenkins has built it. it will take me forever if i have to build it in my chroot
[12:35] <zsombi> oSoMoN: thx!!!
[12:36] <zsombi> nerochiaro: sure! it's not crucial to be tested in the next ~1h :) however if you can test it with the apps the IMA is used, it will be awesome!
[12:37] <nerochiaro> zsombi: the only one i know is notes app
[12:38] <zsombi> nerochiaro: it's enough :) oSoMoN will check the Browser, timp hopefully can check the Panel, Toolbar, Popovers
[12:44]  * zsombi brb
[12:47]  * zsombi actually needs to be away for a bit longer, so bbl
[12:52] <zsombi|afk> oSoMoN: nerochiaro: actually one test I touched was failing, so I pushed the cleanup to get jenkins failures fixed, now the MR should be clean for review
[13:09] <christina> WebbyIT, hi, just saw your earlier message about the pencil. how do you mean by delete both or only one? there should be a pencil icon per line
[13:10] <WebbyIT> hi christina, look at this screen: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/146464308/device-2013-08-02-104242.png
[13:11] <WebbyIT> christina, first pencil is for the title of the calculation, second one is a label for the number. IMO (but you are the designer) first has to be visibile without a calculation because I can write the name of the calc (e.g Shopping) before do the calc
[13:11] <christina> WebbyIT, ahh yes
[13:12] <christina> WebbyIT, i see what you mean now. In our original spec, the pencil icons (for both) would only appear after you have created a calculation
[13:12] <christina> WebbyIT, as this is because the focus of the app is to do calculations, n labels are nice to have. so we want users to concentrate on making calculations first, then they can add labels later.
[13:12] <christina> WebbyIT, hope this helps
[13:14] <WebbyIT> christina, thank you very much, very kind :)
[13:15] <christina> WebbyIT, this is the original spec http://design.canonical.com/2013/03/app-patterns-applied-calculator-key-journeys/
[13:15] <christina> WebbyIT, you're more than welcome! let me know if you got other questions
[13:17] <WebbyIT> christina, ok, thank
[13:57] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'd say this rather a bug for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1204135 can I re -assign it to your?
[13:57] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1204135 in camera-app "n7 preview video is off-center and the aspect ratio is wrong" [Medium,Triaged]
[13:57] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'd say this rather a bug for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1204135 can I re -assign it to you?
[14:01] <nerochiaro> gusch: i dont have an n7 though
[14:02] <gusch> nerochiaro: me neither
[14:16] <gusch> oSoMoN: I flashed my N10 with 20130805, and I get the following, when running my script (trying to instal) https://pastebin.canonical.com/95440/
[14:17] <oSoMoN> gusch: install unity-webapps-qml manually first
[14:20] <gusch> oSoMoN: is this a new dependency
[14:20] <oSoMoN> gusch: yes
[14:21] <gusch> oSoMoN: ah
[14:34] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved
[14:34] <oSoMoN> zsombi|afk: looks like the unit tests are segfaulting when run inside a chroot
[14:34] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks
[14:52] <nerochiaro> zsombi|afk: looks like your IMA merge request is still failing according to jenkins
[14:53] <nerochiaro> gusch: how do we deal with bugs that happen on devices we don't have ?
[15:03] <gusch> nerochiaro: either find someone with that device to fix it, or someone has to send the device
[15:04] <gusch> nerochiaro: but that bug is on the n7, which is not the current focus - so we could wait for a while to fix it
[15:05] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok
[15:39] <nerochiaro> om26er: can you repro this bug with today's image ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1179592
[15:39] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1179592 in camera-app "Zoom slider +/- icons missing, causes autopilot test to fail" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:39] <nerochiaro> om26er: on galaxy nexus
[15:39] <om26er> nerochiaro, I only have nexus 4
[15:39] <om26er> nerochiaro, but that should be fine I guess
[15:39] <nerochiaro> om26er: it works fine here on galaxy nexus
[15:40] <nerochiaro> om26er: is nexus 4 one of the devices we're focusing on ?
[15:40] <om26er> nerochiaro, yeah its the second priorirt
[15:40] <om26er> *priority
[15:40] <om26er> nerochiaro, actually when I reported that but the issue was on desktop, and I just checked and it happens there still
[15:40] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, then someone with the nexus 4 need to take a look at fixing it
[15:41] <nerochiaro> boiko: ^
[15:41] <om26er> nerochiaro, the issue also does not happen on nexus 4, only on desktop/laptops
[15:41] <nerochiaro> om26er: hmm, then the bug is definitely not a priority, right ?
[15:42] <om26er> nerochiaro, yeah, I guess
[15:42] <nerochiaro> om26er: in any case can you please comment on the bug mentioning that it happens only on desktop ?
[15:42] <om26er> nerochiaro, sure
[16:16] <abhidoeslinux> hello everyone, is there a privilege to use java in QT creator?
[16:39] <mihir> dpm: ping !!!
[16:41] <mihir> dpm: you there ?
[16:54] <ahayzen> dpm, Thanks for the email
[17:11] <dpm> hey ahayzen, no worries, just came back from holiday and while doing catch up I thought I'll forward it to you
[17:12] <ahayzen> dpm, thanks :) how was ur holiday?
[17:20] <mihir> dpm:  we just need result to be copied once in bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1207685 ?
[17:20] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1207685 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Tapping a number pastes it each time you tap" [Medium,In progress]
[17:22] <UbuPhillup> popey: what about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1199461 still in progress?
[17:22] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1199461 in Ubuntu File Manager App "The app is not translatable" [High,In progress]
[17:23] <mihir> WebbyIT: Ping !! you there?
[17:24] <WebbyIT> hi mihir :)
[17:24] <mihir> Could you help me to review MR ?
[17:25] <WebbyIT> mihir, which MR?
[17:27] <mihir> WebbyIT: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1207685
[17:27] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1207685 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Tapping a number pastes it each time you tap" [Medium,In progress]
[17:27] <mihir> WebbyIT: Now, it just copy result once :)
[17:28] <WebbyIT> mihir, good news! Let's me look
[17:36] <WebbyIT> mihir, needs fixing, see my comment
[17:39] <mihir> WebbyIT: Okay Let me check this scenario :)
[18:27] <mihir> mhall119: for this xx-large fonts will work ?http://ubuntuone.com/3uhvRhJ0LXNgpnlbPUzwcX
[18:31] <mihir> WebbyIT: I am unable to reproduce first scenario could you help me ?
[18:57] <WebbyIT> mihir, I'm sorry, I have to go: but I checked and yes, I can't reproduce the first scenario, I don't know what I saw :-/
[18:57] <WebbyIT> Have a nice evening!
[18:57] <mihir> Okay :) bye :)
[19:21] <om26er> so the NewTabBar is now known as TabBar we need to change that in our tests,
[19:24] <om26er> timp, hey
[19:25] <om26er> timp, when was that change. NewTabBar to TabBar ?
[19:27] <om26er> boiko, ping
[19:29] <boiko> om26er: pong
[19:29] <om26er> boiko, please review this https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/phone-app/adapt_autopilot_test_to_latests_sdk_change/+merge/178625
[19:29] <om26er> boiko,  it seems the sdk changed recently
[19:30] <boiko> om26er: ok, I'll just wait for CI to run to make sure tests pass, thanks for fixing it
[20:55] <timp> om26er: the change was last week
[20:56] <om26er> timp, ok, we need to change our app's autopilot suites to adapt :)
[20:56] <timp> om26er: support for autopilot is being added to the UITK, so you can call functions from there, and you ddondfdfdon't need to make these changes in the future
[20:57] <timp> om26er: elopio_ is the best person to ask for details about that
[20:57] <om26er> timp, yeah, I looked at that, that's a bit more work that just renaming NewTabBar in our tests, we'd be doing that for our apps, soonish
[20:58] <om26er> I do have a few improvements for the emulators in the UITK in mind, which i'll propose soon
[20:58] <timp> ok, good
[20:59] <timp> oops
[20:59] <timp> "ddondfdfdon't" meant don't (network issues, I didn't see what I was typing)
[23:12] <mpage> I am trying to hook apt pre-install-pkgs, my script runs but I can't figure out how to get the list of changes
[23:12] <mpage> if I try reading from stdin it just waits for user input
[23:13] <mpage> google says the info should be on stdin, but that there was a proposal to put it in a pipe
[23:13] <mpage> named pipe
[23:13] <mpage> any ideas


[01:18] <Jazzva> nhandler: changelog version is still 0.1-0ubuntu1. I suppose it should be 0.4.1-...
[01:19] <Jazzva> nhandler: please fix "mozilla" to "Mozilla" in description field
[01:20] <Jazzva> nhandler: and now running a test-{build,drive}
[01:23] <Jazzva> nhandler: and I think that's it. It's working here. A really helpful extension :)
[01:24] <Jazzva> nhandler: thanks for packaging it
[04:45] <nhandler> Jazzva: Thanks for looking it over. I'm not used to having to manually edit the version in debian/changelog, I'll have to remember to do that. As for 'mozilla', I'm only changing it in the long description. The one in the short description should be lower case
[05:49] <micahg> does anyone know if the mozilla-thunderbird bin symlink is permanent?
[10:46] <stefanlsd> hihi
[10:46] <stefanlsd> asac: had any time off work to have a look gears libpng and libjpeg?
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[15:43] <BUGabundo> no
[16:37] <asac> wow
[16:37] <asac> i can go online again ;)
[16:37] <micahg> hi asac
[16:37] <BUGabundo> heeey asac
[16:37] <stefanlsd> hihi
[16:37] <BUGabundo> wow to you too
[16:37] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[16:37] <BUGabundo> slow network, still??
[16:37] <asac> a bit better now
[16:37] <asac> i couldnt get online yesterdy at all
[16:37] <micahg> Can I replace mozilla crash backtrace reporting with apport?
[16:38] <micahg> on the wiki?
[16:38] <BUGabundo> micahg: humm better not replace
[16:38] <asac> right. extend
[16:38] <BUGabundo> just enfatize that the user can use apport instead
[16:38] <BUGabundo> leave the _manual_ process around
[16:38] <micahg> How about this section?
[16:39] <asac> i thought we already said that preferred way is to use apport for crashes
[16:39] <micahg> Obtain a backtrace from an apport crash report (using gdb)
[16:39] <BUGabundo> someone without a working apport may need it
[16:39] <micahg> Is this necessary anymore?
[16:39] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20%28using%20gdb%29
[16:39] <asac> micahg: well, often apport retracers fail and you can still get a good backtrace
[16:39] <asac> locally
[16:39] <micahg> ah
[16:39] <micahg> ok
[16:40] <asac> imo we should add a section for: how to attach crashes using apport to existing bugs
[16:40] <micahg> see BUGabundo, that's why I wanted to ask asac
[16:40] <micahg> :)
[16:40] <micahg> I'd like to know that myself
[16:40] <asac> also users might not want to attach a crash report to bugs
[16:40] <BUGabundo> micahg: that's what I Said!!
[16:40] <asac> because of privacy concefrns
[16:41] <micahg> ok, so if I were to update the crash page for FF3, what version should I use
[16:41] <micahg> or should I make it generic for all versions?
[16:41] <asac> at best we would have 4 types of instrtuctions:
[16:41] <asac> a) report crashes using apport
[16:42] <asac> b) attach crash data to open bugs using apport
[16:42] <asac> c) use gdb to get backtraces from .crash files locally
[16:42] <asac> d) run mozilla apps in a debugger
[16:42] <asac> (e.g. firefox -g)
[16:42] <micahg> Does that work in FF3 as well?
[16:42] <micahg> part d?
[16:42] <asac> micahg: does that answer your question (i dont think i understood the question about versions)
[16:43] <micahg> Ubuntu versions
[16:43] <asac> micahg: yes. d) has the same prerequisites as c)
[16:43] <asac> (e.g. you need all the dbg symbol packages before you do that)
[16:43] <asac> all mozilla apps usually can be started with -g
[16:44] <micahg> on the wiki, it show ff2 with -g
[16:44] <BUGabundo> I didn't know option d)
[16:44] <micahg> and ff3 using gdb
[16:44] <micahg> so, can I clean that up?
[16:45] <asac> yes, definitly
[16:45]  * gnomefreak hasnt gotten around to updating wiki, i was hoping to have -dbgsym for tbird before i did it, but being short on time until fall its unlikely ill get to it
[16:46] <gnomefreak> would be nice to have a script that installed all debug packages
[16:47] <BUGabundo> john +1
[16:47] <gnomefreak> maybe a hook in apt to do it
[16:47] <BUGabundo> something like apt-get firefox-debugpackages
[16:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:47] <BUGabundo> and have that a metapackage with ALL it needs
[16:48] <gnomefreak> meta package wont work since im not just talking firefox
[16:48] <micahg> For apport submits, should I just link to the other wiki page that describes it?
[16:48] <gnomefreak> although apport should do this for you but only on crashes
[16:49] <asac> right
[16:49] <asac> but i think apport already has such a script
[16:50] <stefanlsd> asac: have you had any time off work to have a look gears libpng and libjpeg?
[16:50] <gnomefreak> asac: to just grab -dbg* packages so you can run a debug session yourself
[16:50] <gnomefreak> ?
[16:52] <asac> stefanlsd: no.
[16:53] <micahg> are the dbg packages in main now?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: not sure if apport is ready for that
[16:53] <asac> stefanlsd: maybe i can look for 1h a bit laer today
[16:54] <asac> gnomefreak: i think you can say to apport to isntall all required dbg symbols
[16:54] <stefanlsd> asac: oki :)  np. i suspect stuff will really only start happening again after uds.  is it worthwhile working on a debian gears package without mozilla-devscripts, or is it expected soon in debian?
[16:54] <stefanlsd> asac: if you could, that would be great.  if not, np :)
[16:54] <asac> stefanlsd: we can upload mozilla-devscripts this week for sure
[16:55] <thunderstruck> i guess it wasnt lavabit having issues
[16:55] <stefanlsd> asac: kk. great. will wait then :) thanks
[16:56] <gnomefreak> what are the chances that xserver-common xserver-xorg-core woll fix X
[16:59] <micahg> I added apport to the crash page, but I'll have to fix the debug stuff later
[17:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: should bug 52667 be changed to in progress and moved to the thunderbird package?
[17:01] <micahg> ah it ok
[17:01] <micahg> I meant the Ubuntu part of the bugs
[17:05] <asac> micahg: thx
[17:05] <micahg> asac: for what?
[17:05] <gnomefreak> no shouldnt be set to inprogree
[17:05] <micahg> ok
[17:05] <asac> for wiki work ;)
[17:05] <gnomefreak> its not in progress
[17:05] <micahg> is incomplete the correct setting?
[17:06] <micahg> ok, I thought I saw you working on it
[17:06] <micahg> nevermind
[17:06] <micahg> I would think then wishlist->triaged
[17:07] <micahg> asac: did you have a chance to talk to bug control people about me?
[17:07]  * BUGabundo micahg is asking for favours .... lol
[17:08] <micahg> not asking, reminding...
[17:09] <gnomefreak> micahg: it should be confirmed. did i already set that bug to what i wanted it.
[17:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: it's set to incomplete
[17:09] <gnomefreak> micahg: bug number please
[17:09] <micahg> oh, I also wanted to ask about confirmed vs triaged for mozilla bugs
[17:09] <micahg> bug 52667
[17:10] <micahg> I was told if there's enough info for a developer or if it's reported upstream it should be marked triaged
[17:10] <micahg> is that not the case for mozilla bugs?
[17:10] <gnomefreak> micahg: most of time yes
[17:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: which one?
[17:11] <micahg> :)
[17:11]  * micahg hasn't had caffeine yet, needs things spelled out...
[17:11] <gnomefreak> i forgot to do a few things with the bug
[17:12] <micahg> ok, but in general, they should be set to triaged then if there's an upstream bug?
[17:13] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes
[17:13] <micahg> ok
[17:13] <micahg> BTW, I'm moving bug 52667 to thunderbird from mozilla-thunderbird in ubuntu
[17:13] <gnomefreak> micahg: upstream status set to confirmed yes our bug to triaged
[17:13] <gnomefreak> asac: can you decline the nominations from bug 52667
[17:13] <micahg> oh, gnomefreak, we have to wait for upstream to confirm before setting to triaged?
[17:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: im on the bug dont worry about package atm
[17:14] <micahg> ok
[17:14] <micahg> I was trying to clean up mozilla-thunderbird last night
[17:14] <asac> gnomefreak: done
[17:14] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[17:15] <micahg> I was assuming that crash reports for 1.5 won't help debug 2.0 problems
[17:15] <micahg> is that correct?
[17:15] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok ill take care of this bug but yes mozilla-thunderbird if happening on 2.0 should be moved to thunderbird.
[17:15] <gnomefreak> although mozilla-thunderbird is a transitional package
[17:16] <gnomefreak> so really doesnt matter since it will install 2.0
[17:16] <micahg> yes, but it will go away at some point
[17:16] <gnomefreak> but LP sources is using it for 1.5
[17:16] <gnomefreak> micahg: not likely for a while
[17:17] <gnomefreak> since LTS still has it we wont remove it may cause upgrade problems
[17:17] <micahg> bug 312738
[17:17] <micahg> did I do that right?
[17:18] <asac> checking
[17:18] <gnomefreak> loooks good
[17:18] <nhandler> gnomefreak: or asac: Do one of you want to update the ~mozilla-extensions-dev to include long-url-please ?
[17:19] <gnomefreak> backport will not happen
[17:19] <asac> micahg: not sure. did i forget to close that bug when aqdding that symlink?
[17:19] <asac> otherwise it is a dupe
[17:19] <asac> micahg: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird
[17:19] <asac> ... fix LP: #145716 - panel launcher breaks on upgrade; we provide a
[17:20] <asac> so its a dupe of that bug
[17:20] <asac> but well ... it doesnt matter much anyway ;)
[17:20]  * gnomefreak really wish people would stop adding nominations since we never backport or update a stable release with new feature
[17:20] <micahg> ok
[17:20] <asac> but folks that want to seee that backported should rather nominate that bug than the other
[17:20] <micahg> well, I know I didn't understand what it was for until recently
[17:20] <asac> so duping would make sense
[17:21] <micahg> asac: done
[17:21] <asac> gratias
[17:21] <micahg> sorry, I forgot to check the changelog for jaunty
[17:21] <gnomefreak> nhandler: can we get links, to want you want done
[17:22] <nhandler> gnomefreak: Add https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/long-url-please to the description on https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev
[17:23] <asac> micahg: no problem at all :)
[17:23] <asac> you do amazing work.
[17:23] <micahg> Will a crash report for 1.5 help for debugging 2.0 or can it be closed?
[17:23] <gnomefreak> asac: you got it?
[17:23] <micahg> thanks asac
[17:24] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we can add him to extensions dev team ... if thats what you ask
[17:24] <gnomefreak> asac: i will
[17:25] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/long-url-please get supdated when package is pushed IIRC
[17:25] <gnomefreak> ok what was i doing
[17:26] <gnomefreak> we dont list all extensions on that link, it would cause lag when opening if we listed all of them
[17:26] <gnomefreak> nhandler: can i have your LP home page please
[17:27] <nhandler> gnomefreak: https://edge.launchpad.net/~nhandler
[17:27] <gnomefreak> nhandler: i may need to apply but im looking at it atm
[17:27] <nhandler> gnomefreak: If we don't list them on the LP page (which I think we should) can we try to get the List wiki page up-to-date?
[17:27] <gnomefreak> nhandler: yes we should update the wiuki we have already for extensions
[17:29] <gnomefreak> nhandler: thanks you have been added to extension team
[17:30] <nhandler> Awesome! Thanks gnomefreak
[17:31] <gnomefreak> nhandler: np
[17:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: i killed one of you bugs that you just commented on :)
[17:33] <micahg> ok
[17:34] <gnomefreak> micahg: iits was likely caused by not restarting after update
[17:34] <micahg> I guess I"ll probably get the e-mail soom
[17:34] <micahg> soon
[17:35] <asac> gnomefreak: the long-url-please link you posted looks just like a package ölink in launchpad
[17:35] <asac> not sure i understand your question
[17:36] <gnomefreak> asac: it was one he posted
[17:36] <gnomefreak> .:12:22:47:. >>        nhandler << gnomefreak: Add
[17:36] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/long-url-please to the description on  https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev
[17:36] <gnomefreak> i just opened it :)
[17:37] <asac> ah
[17:38] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we can add all packages that are maintained by the ext-dev team there , yes
[17:39] <gnomefreak> asac: that is a long list and LP is slow most of time anyway
[17:39] <asac> gnomefreak: right. i think its more important that extensions maintained by us, get the Extension Team in the Maintainer: field
[17:40] <gnomefreak> right
[17:40] <asac> , but either we add all extensions there or we dont add any
[17:41] <nhandler> I personally would prefer to see all extensions there
[17:41] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to update mine, im hoping in time to get them in KK but we really need to decide on ice* package extensions. once this is done we can clean up the extensions since we dont package ice* for ubuntu.
[17:42] <gnomefreak> nhandler: we will work something out. First i need a list of every extension in repos before i can do that
[17:44] <gnomefreak> oops you did apply. sorry i didnt get that far in email but either way you have been added
[17:44] <micahg> gnomefreak: I just found out that the partner acroread package apparently has a mozilla extension in it
[17:45] <gnomefreak> it does?
[17:45] <micahg> that what the maintainer told me
[17:46] <gnomefreak> we wont package that anyway as a firefox extension
[17:46] <micahg> it used to be a separate pageckage
[17:46] <gnomefreak> at least mozilla team wont
[17:47] <micahg> right, but should it be a separate package or do we not get involved with partner stuff at all
[17:47] <gnomefreak> until it get a free license we wont package it
[17:47] <gnomefreak> i would stay out of partner IMHO but as i recall same devs for that and our core devws
[17:48] <micahg> ok, I just requested that description say it has the mozilla extension as well
[17:48] <gnomefreak> works for me
[17:48] <micahg> it used to provide separate packages for each piece
[17:48] <micahg> ok
[17:49] <gnomefreak> arcobat works in default gnome
[17:49] <gnomefreak> forgive my spelling but evince works fine out of box
[17:50] <micahg> I know
[17:51] <micahg> it had to do with a bug submitted to firefox package I think
[17:52] <micahg> I prefer evince myself
[17:52] <micahg> Adobe's had too many security flaws lately
[17:53] <micahg> gnomefreak: I didn't feel comfortable closing that upgrade bug, not enough experience for me yet
[17:54] <gnomefreak> micahg: np
[18:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: should bug 135066 be set to triaged?
[18:19] <micahg> gnomefreak: also, is bug 379894 a bug?   It happens to me too, but is it the expected behavoiur?
[18:19] <gnomefreak> micahg: that i commented on already but i may not have sent it yet 279094 as for the above im on that one already
[18:21] <gnomefreak> let me see if i sent it yet
[18:21] <gnomefreak> yep everything should be updated onboth those bugs
[18:23] <micahg> should I move the package?
[18:24] <gnomefreak> closed it
[18:24] <micahg> ok :)
[18:24] <micahg> gnomefreak: can we chat about bug 135066
[18:25] <gnomefreak> micahg: what about it? it has nothing to do with icon itself
[18:25] <micahg> I thought that Ubuntu could provide a theme package in addition to the standard TB icons
[18:25] <micahg> as a wishlist thing
[18:25] <micahg> TB ahs themes
[18:25] <micahg> so why not a GTK theme?
[18:26] <asac> micahg: tbird 2 is similar to ffox 3 which wasnt able to use the gtk theme for icons
[18:26] <gnomefreak> we can provide themes for it however we _have_ to use defualt theme when using official branding
[18:26] <micahg> of course
[18:26] <asac> tbird 3 should be able to though ... but i am not sure what upstream plans
[18:26] <micahg> but it could be a separate package though, no?
[18:26] <asac> micahg: yes... it could be a tbird theme
[18:26] <gnomefreak> bug 126354 is most likely a setting
[18:27] <micahg> asac: that was the bug I was arguing for 45 min in teh bugs channel last night
[18:27] <asac> micahg: is it rreproducible in tbird 3 ?
[18:27] <micahg> asac: not that one
[18:28] <micahg> sorry the one above the one gnomefreak just posted
[18:28] <gnomefreak> makiung a tbird-2 theme package is not likley but for tbird 3 i like the idea only we have to wait and see how it handles themes likel firefox-2 -> 3 was a big change as i recall
[18:28] <micahg> gnomefreak: you confirmed it worked in TB2 and the user was unresponsive
[18:28] <micahg> so I closed
[18:28] <micahg> was that wrong?
[18:28] <gnomefreak> what bug?
[18:28] <gnomefreak> too many bugs floating around to keep track
[18:29] <micahg> bug 126354 gnomefreak
[18:29] <gnomefreak> you closed it that is good. i never confirmed it however
[18:29] <micahg> you wrote: This works here and has in 8.10.
[18:29] <gnomefreak> plus too old without comment anyway closed is perfect
[18:29] <asac> i think its ok to have it closed if its not reproducible
[18:29] <gnomefreak> micahg: works not that it happens
[18:30] <micahg> right, that's what I meant
[18:30] <micahg> sorry :)
[18:31] <gnomefreak> anything before jan1 can be closed if all info is not provided
[18:31] <micahg> well, the bugday should help in the TB pacakge
[18:31] <gnomefreak> maybe even feb1 but lets stick with jan 1 as a general rule
[18:31] <gnomefreak> dont count on it
[18:32] <micahg> well
[18:32] <micahg> maybe not that much..
[18:32] <gnomefreak> be back i have to eat
[18:32] <micahg> probably get 20-30 isssues looked at by others
[18:32] <asac> tbird bugday?
[18:33] <micahg> yep, this thursday
[18:33] <gnomefreak> looked at does not mean helpful there ar e afew people in the past that just ade more work
[18:33] <gnomefreak> s/ade/made
[18:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: true
[18:34] <gnomefreak> close all tbird bugs without backtrace/crash report
[18:34] <micahg> wow
[18:34] <micahg> that's bold, isn't it?
[18:34] <gnomefreak> micahg: nothing we can do with them
[18:34] <micahg> find upstream issue if open?
[18:35] <gnomefreak> micahg: you need a backtrace/crash report to do that
[18:35] <gnomefreak> actions do not define a crash
[18:35] <micahg> It's not always a crash
[18:35] <gnomefreak> mozilla needs same info to look into it
[18:35] <gnomefreak> thats why i said close crash reports without the info
[18:35] <micahg> yes, but if there are steps to reproduce the bug, then that should be enough, no?
[18:36] <asac> yes. if there are instructions that have been acked by someone keep it open
[18:36] <asac> even forward upstream
[18:36] <gnomefreak> if you can get a crash report sure. the problem is same steps can cause different crashes
[18:36] <micahg> yes, but sometimes it's not a crash, but an unintended result
[18:36] <gnomefreak> now IMAp needs alot of work
[18:37] <gnomefreak> micahg: that is not a crash than :)
[18:37] <micahg> I know, but they should still be valid issues to be fwd upstream, no?
[18:37] <gnomefreak> closing unexpectedly can be calle da crash
[18:37] <micahg> yes
[18:38] <micahg> but it 1 hot key is assigned to 2 functions, that's still an issue
[18:38] <gnomefreak> micahg: if it is reproducible leave it open with asking for steps and trying yourself
[18:38] <micahg> ok
[18:38] <micahg> gnomefreak: I think I know what you're saying
[18:38] <gnomefreak> micahg: that is keyboard layout IMHO
[18:39] <gnomefreak> crash when checking email is not helpful bug at all :)
[18:39] <micahg> right
[18:39] <micahg> basically, if it's not a useful bug, close it out
[18:39] <gnomefreak> if there is enough info to send upstream go for it
[18:40] <gnomefreak> alot of older bugs there was no debug packages/symbols for
[18:40] <micahg> I opened LP upstream requests for 2 bugs that I couldn't find the upstream for and was too tired to look/create
[18:40] <micahg> but I could confirm the behaviour
[18:40] <gnomefreak> <2.0 and i think in begining for 2.0 we didnt
[18:42] <gnomefreak> mozilla is having an all out bug war atm, in the sense of how traging goes mainly for seamonkey. not sure how dupilicates are working but not everyone can mark them as such and normally i suggest than they get marked
[18:42] <gnomefreak> they are trying to determine how to handle unconfirmed bugs atm (at least from the mailing lists)
[18:43] <gnomefreak> i dont have duplicate powers upstream yet. not real sure how to get them either
[18:43] <micahg> is confirming something I can do for our bugs?
[18:43]  * gnomefreak smoke
[18:43] <gnomefreak> yes
[18:43] <micahg> Do I have to mark a setting or jsut comment?
[18:43] <micahg> Do I need special privs?
[18:44] <gnomefreak> you are able to do both
[18:44] <micahg> ok, should I mark confirmed if our users confirm on LP or only if I can confirm myself?
[18:44] <gnomefreak> make sure its not an extension issue first. most firefox bugs are extensions or propfile bugs
[18:44] <micahg> right
[18:45] <micahg> that's what I usually do
[18:46] <asac> micahg: its important that real issues get eventually filed upstream
[18:46] <asac> thats basically one of the exit states we in ubuntu have for bugs
[18:46] <asac> so either file upstream, invalidate or fix on our own
[18:46] <asac> but adding upstream target without bug is good way to indicate that a bug should be upstreamed
[18:46] <asac> so you did the right thing when you were tired ;)
[18:48] <micahg> is there a policy on bugs in alpha/beta Ubuntu releases that users don't respond to and aren't percevied to be an issue?
[18:48] <micahg> like bug 340086
[18:49] <micahg> gnomefreak responded 2 months ago and user has not responded
[18:49] <gnomefreak> that is a local bug
[18:49] <gnomefreak> close it
[18:49] <gnomefreak> for non responsive
[18:49] <asac> micahg: if users didnt response and there is not enough info to process it its just invalid
[18:49] <micahg> I'm just adding a note that if they are still having issues, to reopen
[18:50] <gnomefreak> all bugs should have steps to reproduce actual and expected resluts with that you should beable to reproduce if not its nomrally addon/system state ect... those are valid bugs depending on what it is
[18:50] <micahg> ok
[18:50] <gnomefreak> micahg: thats perfect
[18:51] <gnomefreak> can not start thunderbird isnt a bug in thunderbird unless others have same issue but in a pre-release ubuntu version its hard to say
[18:52] <gnomefreak> asac: while you are here, we need to add thunderbird->help->file a bug  like we do with firefox, this should give us info on if its user set up or tbirds
[18:52] <gnomefreak> addons for tbird are becoming popular with users
[18:59] <gnomefreak> you have got to be kidding, how the hell are you going to be able to use an "undo close feature" if the undo button is in firefox you would have to start it to use it :(
[18:59] <micahg> lol
[18:59] <gnomefreak> micahg: looking to see if he ment tabs
[18:59] <gnomefreak>  Bug 394759 -  Add undo close window feature
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: is that a mozilla bug?
[19:02] <gnomefreak> im confused they talk about restore dialog but that already lets you choose what closed or start new. btw that feature is bullshit. if a sote caused you to lockup and crash why would you want to reopen it
[19:02] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes mozilla 394759
[19:03] <micahg> ah, it seems like it means tabs
[19:08] <gnomefreak> as in undo tabs from the restore dialog so you can drop the tab that caused crash and leave rest to open?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> at least that is what i was thinking the further i read it
[19:09] <micahg> I thought it was saying someone closed a tab too quickly and have an option to restore it
[19:09] <micahg> but that's just from the initial summary
[19:10] <gnomefreak> that is what my sencond thought was but since its in histroy why would you need it. hint see recently closed tabs
[19:10] <micahg> well, tabs have their own history
[19:10] <micahg> so maybe to restore all that
[19:11] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit.
[19:26] <gnomefreak> anyone use firefox?
[19:27] <gnomefreak> no not a trick question
[19:28] <gnomefreak> i need someont to test firefox-notify on firefox not abrowser
[19:30] <micahg> yes
[19:30] <micahg> which version?
[19:30] <micahg> I'm running the latest 3.5 daily and 3.0.10
[19:35] <gnomefreak> micahg: any version. its top level <<3.6 but when you install firefox-notify in ubufox you should see disable and preferences are either greyed out?
[19:35] <gnomefreak> that was my fault i really should have added 3.6 in there but ask for 3.5 as top version
[19:36] <gnomefreak> easy to fix when needed
[19:37] <micahg> how do you install firefox-notify in ubufox?
[19:37] <gnomefreak> micahg: apt-get install
[19:37] <micahg> ubufox doesn't work in 3.5+ yet afaik
[19:37] <gnomefreak> it will open ubufox once installed
[19:38] <micahg> I can't find the package
[19:38] <gnomefreak> i jaunty
[19:38] <gnomefreak> in
[19:39] <gnomefreak> !info firefox-notify
[19:39] <gnomefreak> !info firefox-notify karmic
[19:39] <gnomefreak> ah not in jaunty
[19:40] <gnomefreak> ok re phrase: anyone on Karmic that runs firefox-3.0 3.5 test firefox-notify and let me know if you can enter preferences using ubufox
[19:41] <gnomefreak> we really need to look at .desktop file for deja-dup
[19:41] <gnomefreak> but thats least of my worries
[19:42] <gnomefreak> it should be moved hmmm
[19:44] <gnomefreak> i how it compresses final data not just per volume *.gz's
[19:45] <gnomefreak> ok im gone maybe be back tuesday since tomorrow is a holiday
[23:26] <fta_nano> yop
[23:26] <BUGabundo> fta_nano: hi
[23:29] <fta_nano> bouh, django error in the uds schedule
[23:31] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:41] <fta_nano> hm, no more click when i double tap my touchpad
[23:43] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:44] <fta_nano> i should use laptops more often
[23:44] <BUGabundo> you don't?
[23:44] <fta_nano> i'm mostly a desktop user
[23:59] <fta_nano> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-social-from-the-start


[19:31] <adebayo> hi, pls i need help in removing openvswitch from ubuntu 14.04 to install another version supported on the ubuntu 14.04
[19:34] <cjwatson> adebayo: I suggest trying in #ubuntu - this channel's for help with the launchpad.net project hosting site itself
[19:35] <adebayo> ok, i was thinking its i can get help bcos i saw something on launchpad on net
[19:36] <cjwatson> Right, Launchpad hosts Ubuntu, but for help with operating Ubuntu itself you want #ubuntu
[19:37] <cjwatson> (Or askubuntu.com)
[19:37] <adebayo> ok, thanks cjwatson
[19:46] <adebayo> hi cjwatson, there are so many of the #ubuntu, which of them is the right one to use
[19:46] <dobey> there is only one #ubuntu
[19:48] <cjwatson> I mean #ubuntu itself not #ubuntu-whatever
[19:48] <cjwatson> that's the general user channel
[19:48] <cjwatson> also given that it's openvswitch it's possible that #ubuntu-server might be of some help
[19:48] <adebayo> i search for it but couldn't get it
[19:49] <cjwatson> I'm sorry but I can't help with problems with your IRC client!
[19:49] <adebayo> may be i am making mistake in the search
[19:50] <cjwatson> I also mentioned askubuntu.com which is less real-time but encourages longer better-thought-out answers
[19:50] <adebayo> ok, thanks
[19:51] <adebayo> let me check it, though I have seen #ubuntu-server
[19:52] <adebayo> there is someone on launchpad that was given the explanation but i dont know how to get his name here, bcos he only specify using freenode


[18:33] <nacc> Emery in #ubuntu being rather offensive
[18:34] <nacc> happened again
[23:03] <el> the dude's on a nvidia domain and tried to join a channel which i guess is for nvidia people
[23:03] <el> but of course it can't possibly be that he forgot a /join
[23:04] <Unit193> Goodness me...
[23:05] <Unit193> Seriously needs to calm down..
[23:05] <el> i do not have faith in that happening


[01:10] <Daekdroom> How interesting. Updating to oneiric from natty is currently not possible.
[01:10] <Daekdroom> Maybe it's the PPAs.
[01:11] <BUGabundo> well, don't think its ready yet
[01:19] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, it fails to calculate the changes.
[01:20] <BUGabundo> comment every ppa
[01:51] <BUGabundo> nite
[05:23] <magn3ts> couldn't figure out why Unity looked so funny... then I found out it was probably unity2d.
[05:23] <magn3ts> Why is unity/unity2d in different code bases?
[05:23] <magn3ts> Rather than just rendering differently:/
[05:25] <magn3ts> god these gnome3 apps are awful. I don't know how much longer I can put up with gnome. Where would be a worse place to put a glare gradient than on the background selection screen >_<
[05:25] <magn3ts> and wouldn't you guess, but even the freaking bg selection window has LOST FEATURES.
[07:36] <lucidfox> Any idea why GTK3 applications ignore the icon theme setting in dconf-editor?
[08:43] <guest_> hey, I updated today and rebooted, after it came back up and I logged in, all my files in the ecrypted home dir are now named ECRYPT_blah (or similar) any ideas?
[10:38] <trijntje_oneiric> Hi all, why does oneiric have this ugly grey theme? Am I the only one with that problem?
[10:39] <trijntje_oneiric> http://imagebin.org/159883
[10:39] <arand> That's just that there is no gnome3 theme installed, iirc, you can install one manually to get around that
[15:27] <BluesKaj> hmm , all seems well on kde and nvidia , so far :)
[16:11] <gnomefreak> why is it fglrx is removed in 11.11 or wants to be removed also anything with it like fglrx-amdcccle? is it being replaced with something or is it just not updated?
[16:13] <gnomefreak> also what is the main libqt package for libqt4?
[16:13] <gnomefreak> maybe libqtcore4 :)
[16:14] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: re fglrx: if you have fglrx 2:8.861-0ubuntu1 and mesa 7.10.3-0ubuntu4, all should be well
[16:15] <gnomefreak> ok atm im on 11.04 and and it seems remove libqt* it wants to remove fglrx
[16:16] <gnomefreak> well it seems that as of 1 hour ago upgrading it still wants to remove ubuntu-desktop and flgrx and the like
[16:16] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: on 11.04?
[16:16] <gnomefreak> fglrx even
[16:16] <gnomefreak> atm yes
[16:16] <gnomefreak> i have a broken 11.11
[16:16] <gnomefreak> due to the above reasons
[16:17] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: maybe your mirror is out of date, the updated mesa was uploaded 28 hours ago, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.10.3-0ubuntu4
[16:18] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: and you probably mean 11.10, the release will be in october.
[16:18] <gnomefreak> Ampelbein: thanks. still kind of odd that removing libqtcore4 removed fglrx
[16:18] <gnomefreak> Ampelbein: yes sorry, my mind is somewhere else
[16:20] <gnomefreak> i guess i will see if ubuntu-desktop will be removed, that i dont like
[16:46] <htorque> what magic has to be done to make virtualbox 4.0.8 run unity? 3d is enabled in the vm settings, guest additions 4.0.8 installed, yet there's no unity
[21:02] <bcbc2> how much disk space does it require to build an oneiric kernel?
[21:08] <bcbc2> I'm at 6.5G and counting. I am going to cancel and resize my partition and try again, but knowing what to expect would be nice
[21:10] <penguin42> oh I wouldnt' have guessed that big
[21:12] <bcbc2> I didn't either... (I already resized once).
[21:14] <bcbc2> 3.9G src/ubuntu-oneiric/drivers
[21:16] <bcbc2> that's 4 G just for the compiled drivers
[21:16] <penguin42> probably a whole bunch of different builds as well
[21:21] <bcbc2> that's possible. I've never had to do this before. oh well, I'll add another 10G and go from there. Thanks.
[21:52] <MK``> May be better to ask here: How is the progress on fixing the power regression?
[22:20] <kubu2> any idea why "failed to load session "gnome" ?
[22:21] <kubu2> or "ubuntu" and then no option but logout
[23:15] <bcbc2> 7.3G - that's what it took
[23:25] <penguin42> heck that is a lot
[23:28] <bcbc2> more than I expected - for a kernel that's smaller than the regular one


[00:02] <c_smith> Being as Freenode basically went under, would it be possible to get my Ubuntu Members cloak on this server, since it's where Ubuntu IRC channels have moved to? my Launchpad is here if it's needed: https://launchpad.net/~cody.smith
[10:11] <pavlushka> I need some help to register #sane, no one is op there and they are all lurking
[10:13] <Mekaneck> pavlushka: probably best to ask in #libera
[10:14] <pavlushka> Mekaneck: I have, the suggestion was to wait for everyone to part to be op
[10:15] <pavlushka> but if someone parts that will be me
[10:15] <Mekaneck> this channel isn't for support on such matter afaik
[10:15] <pavlushka> as my connection is very flaky
[10:16] <Mekaneck> read the topic ;)
[10:16] <pavlushka> Mekaneck: ok
[10:17] <Mekaneck> also the person who answered you in libera isn't a staffer nor a op
[10:17] <Mekaneck> there are staff/ops in the channel, ask them for proper help
[10:20] <pavlushka> hmm, I can see Unit193 WrathOfAchilles there
[10:21] <pavlushka> see ya


[05:52] <LeMike> hello. On a server hosting multiple services, is it possible to grant SSH access but jail them in their own context? The crux for me is, that every user may use a different mysql-server or other db - so I don't know how to jail, if jail is good and how to swap sockets to their login.
[07:02] <AtuM> the topic is wrong about 14.04 to 16.04.. it's July 22nd... so when will this be possible (without intermediate upgrades)?
[07:13] <henkjan> AtuM: i guess upgrading to 16.04 should work now
[07:13] <henkjan> as 16.04.1 seems on the mirrors http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[07:14] <AtuM> henkjan, Perhaps our local mirror is not updated yet...  so it works in general elsewhere?
[07:15] <thekrynn_> hey all, does anyone know of a preferred/faster way to scan a large FS faster for a small list of changed files?
[07:15] <henkjan> AtuM: maybe canonical still needs to flip a bit to make the update checker aware of the new LTS
[07:18] <AtuM> henkjan, since I've waited so long.. a bit more won't matter :)
[07:34] <zetheroo> what is the equivalent of these commands for Ubuntu:          systemctl stop getty\@tty1
[07:34] <zetheroo> systemctl disbale getty\@tty1
[11:21] <InnerCode> Hi, Is there a way to convert LXC 1.* containers to LXC 2.0?
[12:17] <mdeslaur> rbasak: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/Ubuntu1604MySQLUpdatePain
[12:27] <meekrat> Anybody know when do-release-upgrade will start to work for 16.04.1?
[12:43] <mhoney> can an iscsi lun be setup on top of an lvm logival volume?
[12:43] <mhoney> What I'd like is an iscsi target that can grow if needed
[13:18] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: have a hunch that the ironic ftbfs is due to slightly old pecan - proving that now
[13:26] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1605629
[13:51] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: cotelydon is in the NEW queue in debian (thanks zigo)
[13:51] <jamespage> once that's accepted we can sync and fix the aodh and ceilometer build failures - okies...
[13:52] <jamespage> ddellav, the wedges in yakkety-proposed appear to mostly be s390x autopkgtest failures
[13:52] <jamespage> I tried fixing one by adding rabbitmq-server to the list of pkgs, but that did not appear to resolve the problem
[13:53] <hallyn> meekrat: i don't think do-release-upgrade does that, just a regular apt upgrade
[13:56] <meekrat> hallyn: neither seems to trigger it - the ubuntu servers may not be handing it out yet, I guess
[13:59] <hallyn> meekrat: according to #ubuntu-devel topic it has been released.  i'm not sure what you're expecting to see - it's not a full upgrade, it's
[14:00] <hallyn> just a new 'release' based on what's in xenial archive at the moment
[14:00] <hallyn> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.1/
[14:00] <hallyn> bt if you've been keeping uptodate, yo'ure likely already there
[14:00] <Pici> meekrat: are you on 14.04 now?
[14:01] <hallyn> oh i c.  that'd make sense :)
[14:03] <Pici> according to the release folks, they're waiting for things to settle down before the release upgrade from 14.04 will be turned on. And yes, I thought it would be the day and date when .1 was released too.
[14:19] <meekrat> pici: I'm on 14.04.x LTS
[14:20] <meekrat> I'm thinking they are just letting things settle down - I can wait....thought the 16.04.1 LTS would trigger the release.  Thanks all
[16:04] <mpjetta> my fresh ubuntu 16.04 from a -server.iso is showing a black screen on the local console on boot, I have to Ctrl-Alt-F5 to get a login prompt. any ideas how to get rid of the black screen?
[16:05] <mpjetta> it boots so fast that it is hard to tell the server is up ;)
[17:27] <heydrick> any idea when http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ will have the 16.04.1 images?
[17:33] <Tangurin> Hi, can someone here help me find out why my subdomain not working on my Ubuntu Server (Apache)? It is the first time I am doing this, and I don't know if I done something wrong
[17:34] <Superdawg> Does anyone know what changed in 16.04 that would cause a locally created apt repository (using dpkg-scanpackages) to not work?  It works in 15.10.
[17:35] <sarnold> Superdawg: do you get any error messages?
[17:35] <sarnold> Tangurin: do you get any error messages?
[17:36] <Tangurin> Just that I can't reach the site
[17:36] <Tangurin> http://laravel.io/bin/523O8
[17:36] <Superdawg> sarnold: only from apt-show-versions "Error: No information about packages! (Maybe no deb entries?)"
[17:37] <Superdawg> I don't have the Release.gpg or InRelease files that 'apt-get update' tries to grab, and I'm not sure if that's what is causing it.  I *do* have the Release file.  That's been sufficient for all debian based distros I've used since some point pre-debian etch.  I tested the same sources.list entry on a 15.10 box and it works fine.
[17:37] <teward> Tangurin: is it a page showing coordinates, and a username/password auth?
[17:38] <sarnold> heydrick: they may not be called 16.04.1, it's just 16.04 with everything updated; the daily builds are already that..
[17:38] <sarnold> Superdawg: "the same" -- did you change the "wily" to "xenial" and so on?
[17:38] <Tangurin> ... yes teward
[17:39] <Tangurin> how did you get in :O
[17:39] <Superdawg> This is a private deb repository that I maintain.
[17:39] <teward> Tangurin: it's up here.  Nuke your browser cache and try again.
[17:39] <sarnold> Tangurin: how about the /var/log/apache/error.log ?
[17:39] <Tangurin> sarnold: I tried to access the log but I got permission denied when I am trying to access the /var/log/apache2 folder :S I don't know why
[17:39] <Superdawg> my sources.list entry looks like 'deb [trusted=yes] http://hostname/ref_mirrors/debmirror stable main'
[17:39] <teward> Tangurin: because you should be using `sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log` or similar, it's locked out to standard user access
[17:40] <teward> Tangurin: that said, erase your browser cache, start again.
[17:40] <Superdawg> It works in 15.04, 15.10, but not 16.04.
[17:40] <teward> Looks like it's working
[17:40] <Tangurin> teward: okey, great info, thanks :)
[17:40] <Tangurin> teward: I did: sudo dscacheutil -flushcache but it did not help :S
[17:40] <teward> Tangurin: i didn't mean on your server
[17:41] <teward> I meant on your computer where you're trying to access the site from ;)
[17:41] <Superdawg> I use the same format for many mirrors.  Ranging from way back at debian etch all the way to, at this point, ubuntu wily.
[17:41] <heydrick> sarnold: gotcha. the most recent AMI on the ami finder is from 6/27, was hoping for a newer image that has all the updates
[17:41] <Tangurin> I wrote: sudo dscacheutil -flushcache on my computer, in the terminal
[17:41] <sarnold> heydrick: hmm that feels like a surprisingly long time ago
[17:41] <Superdawg> So I'm confused on what is causing the break in 16.04.  Haven't found much with regard to what might be wrong.
[17:42] <sarnold> Superdawg: hmmmmm. very curious. :/
[17:43] <sarnold> Superdawg: the InRelease files are relatively new in the last few years, it's a combination of Releases and Releases.gpg files that can be updated atomically
[17:43] <sarnold> Superdawg: (I don't think that's related here, but maybe if those files exist and are blank, maybe..?)
[17:43] <Superdawg> sarnold: Yeah, that's what I'm suspecting is the problem.  Maybe they added that as a requirement.
[17:44] <Superdawg> It doesn't like a blank version of those files.  I tried that this morning.
[17:44] <Tangurin> teward: is there another way to clear cache? :)
[17:44] <Superdawg> I also tried just one that works but doesn't necessarily reflect what I've got
[17:44] <Superdawg> that didn't work either. heh
[17:44] <teward> Tangurin: i don't think you know what I mean by cache
[17:44] <Superdawg> I'll try to go about generating that and see how we end up.
[17:44] <Tangurin> Maybe not?
[17:44] <Tangurin> teward:
[17:45] <teward> oh you're on Apple
[17:45] <Tangurin> teward: yes :)
[17:45] <teward> dscacheutil is the Directory Service cache ***NOT*** your web browser cache
[17:45] <teward> Tangurin: nuke your web browser's 'temporary internet files' or 'cached files' (depends on the browser how to do it), then try again
[17:50] <Tangurin> teward: Thanks it was cache :) Appreciate your help!
[18:00] <teward> bleh missed him by a minute
[18:00]  * teward goes back to poking the Internet
[18:32] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: hmm, the newest 'xenial' on http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ appears to be from 20160627 -- but there was a kernel published on 2016-07-14 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux  -- is the autopublisher thing working well?
[18:56] <Superdawg> sarnold: Looks like generating the gpg signed InRelease, Relase.gpg and then importing the key into apt was the fix.  I am now able to get the packages on my repo.    Those are the pains of upgraing.
[18:56] <Superdawg> upgrading*
[18:56] <Superdawg> sarnold: Thanks for the second set of eyes
[18:57] <sarnold> Superdawg: hmm. that's not exactly a satisyfing answer but at least you've got a path forward
[19:02] <Odd_Bloke> sarnold: It's working its way through now.
[19:04] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: thanks :)
[21:09] <jonah> hi can anyone help. It's just take over an hour to install a new ubuntu server and then right at the very end it's sprung up with "Unable to install Grub in /dev/sda" "Executying 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed! Does anyone know how I get get grub installed correctly without losing all this time/setup..?
[22:18] <sbeattie> jamespage: hey, does ceph relly need 1GB sized test-dbg debs? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/ceph/?C=S;O=D
[22:19] <sbeattie> seems kinda mirror-hostile.


[08:26] <FLOZz> hi _o/
[10:57] <thorwil> kwwii: are you subscribed to gnome-themes?
[11:11] <kwwii> thorwil: yes, I am
[11:12] <thorwil> good
[19:20] <knitt1> hi. how can i install breathe icon set? make install spits out a lot of errors (but copies the image files to /usr/share/icons/Breathe)
[19:27] <linuxguy2009> Hello do any of you know where there might be documentation or an IRC room to get info for creating gnome/ubuntu icon themes?
[19:57] <knitt1> ok, finally got it to work. i was missing the icon-naming-utils package
[20:00] <kwwii> knitt1: for future use, if you want to build a package and something is not installed just do a "sudo apt-get build-dep PackageName"
[20:13] <knitt1> kwwii: thanks, but that will not work if there isn't a package
[20:30] <thorwil> ah, a clever person adds _additional_ external image links for his backgrounds on the wiki. of course, officially I don't even look at the diffs anymore :)
[20:50] <mac_v> knitt1: https://launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/+archive/ppa
[20:51] <knitt1> mac_v: i want to build breathe from source
[20:51] <knitt1> and i usually don't add third party sources
[20:51] <mac_v> knitt1: ah... why so?
[20:51] <knitt1> why not? ^^
[20:52] <mac_v> knitt1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Breathe-0.50.tar.gz
[20:52] <mac_v> thats the latest release
[20:52] <knitt1> so?
[20:52] <knitt1> i already got make install working
[20:54] <knitt1> but thanks for your help anyway
[21:36] <kwwii> knitt1: lol, good point :p
[21:37] <knitt1> ^^
[21:37] <kwwii> knitt1: but picking a similar package, in this case the human theme would have done it
[21:37] <knitt1> hm yeah. maybe. but where's the fun? :D
[21:37] <kwwii> sorry for the bad advice
[21:37] <kwwii> no doubt
[21:38] <kwwii> in the end, the error messages are somewhat straightforward enough to understand
[21:38] <knitt1> well, i was confused, because the program is called by it's full path and it's under /usr/lib
[21:38] <kwwii> yeah
[22:26] <albano> i did some raw thing in ai format is there any place where i can put them for someone to edit or use that
[22:56] <FLOZz> good night
[23:34] <kwwii> time for sleep
[23:34] <kwwii> night all


[22:42] <eater9> Hi - I want my laptop to execute pm-suspend-hybrid when I shut the lid. Is there an easy way to make that happen, preferably via gnome-power-manager?


[14:26] <jerrin> I would like to report my experience based on an Ubuntu community documentation[Grub2/Passwords : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords]
[14:26] <jerrin> Under the section Protecting Menuentries, it's mentioned :  Superuser Only: menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-24-generic' --class ubuntu -class os --users {
[14:26] <jerrin> I tried this, but was grub showed me an error while booting
[14:26] <jerrin> On enquiring in #grub channel, I came to know that the --users option expects an argument , and should actually be --users '' {
[14:26] <jerrin> This solved my issue. I think the documentation needs to be updated ?
[14:26] <jerrin> I was on a debian machine btw