[04:32] <mappps> good morning
[07:30] <diddledan> mooorning
[08:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:17] <davmor2> Mornign all
[08:17] <davmor2> Morning all even
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:23] <daftykins> morning all \o
[08:24] <daftykins> oooh yes my glorious new keyboard is here :D sweet mechanical keys again instead of horrid membrane
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning daftykins
[08:24] <brobostigon> :)
[08:24] <diddledan> daftykins: I think one of my new rams is bust
[08:25] <daftykins> o rry? does it stop POST or is it causing instability?
[08:25] <diddledan> it would bluescreen randomly
[08:25] <daftykins> ah and the reasons keep changing?
[08:25] <diddledan> yup
[08:25] <daftykins> is it stuff that requires you set an XMP setting in the BIOS, or just bog standard?
[08:26] <diddledan> I ran windows' inbuilt memory test and it said problems. removed two sticks and now it passes the same test
[08:26] <daftykins> pin it down with memtest86+ :)
[08:27] <diddledan> yeah, I might do that later - set it going overnight
[08:28] <daftykins> nah just do it on the suspected bad DIMM, it'll only take like 15 minutes for a 4GB module if that
[08:28] <daftykins> i got 2400MHz stuff myself, so i set it to its' XMP setting in the BIOS
[08:30] <daftykins> also ugh at my old motherboard causing one of the core 2 quad PCs to stop POSTing again, so i think it's time to call that motherboard dead
[08:30] <daftykins> or at least unreliable!
[08:31] <diddledan> war of attrition - change everything until you can prove a negative
[08:31] <daftykins> :)
[08:32] <daftykins> got to decide whether i just take the motherboard from the lowest specced system, as it's quite a nice one, or get another off ebay
[08:32] <diddledan> "it hasn't died for the last 3 reboots. does that mean it's fixed or just not completely dead?"
[08:33] <daftykins> hehe, it's funny because it does it when it's unplugged from the mains, but it's not the CMOS battery
[08:33] <diddledan> I hate the analogue nature of digital-equipment failures
[08:33] <daftykins> yeah i'd much rather a true death, although then i'd be sat for ages faffing trying to get it to POST i suppose
[08:33] <diddledan> I like binary - alive or dead
[08:34] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/r3cM5P8tUhc?t=26
[08:39] <daftykins> :>
[08:40] <daftykins> bit sad that videos info didn't tell me what on earth it was
[08:44] <diddledan> portable computer from 1980 with a CRT display! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5SzKM7g5Ds
[08:48] <daftykins> kHz!
[08:48] <daftykins> gm JamesTait o/
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Milk Chocolate Day! 😃  🍫
[08:49] <diddledan> that's a day I can get behind!
[08:49] <JamesTait> 👋 daftykins
[08:49]  * JamesTait reaches for the Milk Tray.
[08:49] <diddledan> I'm going to pre-empt davmor2 to make his job more difficult because he can't duplicate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQCQnARnKbc
[08:50] <JamesTait> I couldn't eat any now, I'm too full of fruit and oats.
[08:50] <daftykins> i wanted you to have said 'fruit and nut'
[08:50] <daftykins> :D
[08:50] <daftykins> diddledan: haha i love the line 'playing along at home' i use that myself :>
[08:50] <JamesTait> Oh, I forgot the nuts!
[08:51] <daftykins> Cadburys Dairy Milk fruit and nut ;D
[08:51] <JamesTait> Yum
[08:51] <diddledan> +1
[08:59] <davmor2> diddledan, JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjIn6SJK5Y
[09:00]  * daftykins hears the brass band starting again
[09:01] <JamesTait> davmor2, I don't know where my boys heard this, but they went through a phase of singing it constantly a few years ago.
[09:02] <diddledan> oh god that's an earworm
[09:09] <davmor2> diddledan: hey you only have yourself to blame you stole shanks and bigfoot
[09:09] <diddledan> lol
[09:10] <diddledan> touché
[09:15] <daftykins> diddledan: https://youtu.be/yac6YByAcRc?t=520 D:
[09:15] <daftykins> ITS EVERYWHERE!
[09:19] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ping mind a dm ?
[09:20] <daftykins> PM :P
[09:20]  * daftykins teases czajkowski's twitter talk
[09:20]  * czajkowski slaps daftykins
[09:21] <czajkowski> things you cant do on twitter but you can on IRC! :)
[09:22]  * daftykins gains a red face :o
[09:24] <popey>
[09:24] <daftykins>
[09:24] <diddledan>
[09:25] <czajkowski> speechless who'd have thought it would happen
[09:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ubuntu
[09:25] <diddledan> correct
[09:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was a test thing just done 0TA 12
[09:51] <Myrtti> czajkowski: sure
[10:03] <czajkowski> Myrtti: tis sorted now
[10:03] <czajkowski> sorry
[10:04] <daftykins> mmmm lovely new keys
[10:04] <daftykins> £80 admittedly, but i thoroughly recommend the steelseries M500 keyboard
[12:41] <daftykins> given i was linking to tall bikes yesterday, i just ran into one!
[12:41] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/pIr9T
[12:41] <daftykins> this guy was employing child labour to push him around
[14:17] <diddledan> daftykins: I think we need to report him then
[14:18] <ghostnetpc> report who
[14:19] <diddledan> huh?
[14:21] <diddledan> was he worried I meant him?
[14:28] <daftykins> lol
[14:28] <daftykins> probably, tinfoil freenoders everywhere!
[14:29] <daftykins> can't believe i raised an RMA ticket on some 7 year old RAM :D go Corsair \o/
[14:29] <diddledan> wow
[14:29] <diddledan> that’s impressive
[14:33] <daftykins> they might still tell me it's not under the lifetime one but we'll see :>
[14:39] <Seeker`> daftykins: I suspect their response will be "LOL"
[14:40] <daftykins> Seeker`: when their products carry a "Lifetime Warranty" ? bold claim sir :P
[14:44] <davmor2> daftykins: man that's cheating it has 3 wheels
[14:44] <daftykins> wat
[14:45] <diddledan> the bike
[14:45] <davmor2> diddledan: 3 wheels remember the trike ;)
[14:45] <diddledan> good point
[14:47] <daftykins> oh i see, a topic hop threw me!
[14:48] <davmor2> daftykins: sorry playing catchup :)
[14:48] <daftykins> ^_^ np
[14:48] <daftykins> the clowns were pretty ace
[15:06] <daftykins> nice, Corsair just replied asking if i only had one kit faulty
[15:06] <daftykins> now that is support.
[15:12] <DJones> daftykins: They were all faulty weren't they, time for a replacement
[15:12] <daftykins> :D
[15:13] <daftykins> guy that used to work for this client took that office PC home for himself so i don't know what it's up to now
[15:47] <diddledan> I miss this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNaR6FRuO0
[15:47]  * daftykins doesn't
[15:57] <DJones> I'm with daftykins on that
[15:58] <diddledan> only the sound, not the speeds
[16:08] <Seeker`> I hope that's the old ladies video
[16:08] <daftykins> i was about to say no, i much prefer the instant sync of VDSL... but the routers i've used take a fair while to sync
[16:08] <Seeker`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTos3CsvnLQ
[16:12] <daftykins> that's scary
[16:59] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/yhYEWvWkWLg
[17:08] <daftykins> wow.
[17:35] <daftykins> LOL my 7 year old RAM RMA has been accepted - Corsair are ace
[18:45] <diddledan> watching london has fallen. they blow the poo out everything
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> 2016 has taken garibaldi... http://www.epictimes.com/07/28/2016/j-michael-straczynskis-statement-death-jerry-doyle/ :-(
[19:02] <diddledan> NOOOOOOooooooo
[19:57] <diddledan> it sounds like it's widdling-down outside
[19:58] <daftykins> it's gone very gloomy here! i've had to actually close up the windows again from super summer mode++
[21:21] <daftykins> diddledan: https://youtu.be/7S5IuaKiZIY?t=225
[21:23] <diddledan> wow
[21:23] <daftykins> MODEM SOLO!
[21:23] <daftykins> i had that Lasat modem in blue, too
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> i only dealt with usr modems thank gorky
[21:27] <daftykins> ah the Lasat was ace, when we got it though it had a 9 pin serial cable and the mouse was 9 pin too :( only one port on the PC
[21:27] <daftykins> took weeks to beg the old man to go back and buy a 25 to 9 adapter
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i had to scan in a huge dublin map on a pc with 1 serial port, using serial mouse, serial scanner. eventually found a ps/2 mouse that decided it would work...
[21:29] <daftykins> :D
[21:29] <daftykins> i loved the article about Australia being off its' GPS data right now because of the plate shift
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> of course it meant nicking the newest shiniest mouse from my boss to do the job...
[21:29] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: what a coincidence!
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> 7mb of b&w pcx images of dublin city to add a map facility to crm software...
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> written in basic for extra difficulty bonus points... :-)
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> it worked suprisingly fast on 286's with 640k of ram...
[21:34] <daftykins> 7 whole megabytes!
[21:34] <daftykins> i always think it'd be ace to grab some of today's tech and travel back in time to an 80s CES equivalent and show it all
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> hard disks were 40mb so it was a _lot_
[21:35] <daftykins> oh i recall the 486 apricots we got at home with the 40MB removable cassette drives
[21:35] <daftykins> beastly
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> phones would be meh compared to pdas of 90s.  90% of their functionality wouldn't work without cloud
[21:36] <daftykins> that's a little bit like saying your life raft doesn't work without the sea, though
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to drag a laptop back.  and while it would be smaller and shinier with way more spec it would be... just a laptop
[21:38] <daftykins> well it would also be thin enough to cut cheese!
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> and without wifi and a lot of network infrastructure it wouldn't talk to contemporary hardware
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> copy that file to a floppy... :-)
[21:44] <ali1234> i would take a selfie stick back in time
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> or send the file via serial cable...
[21:44] <ali1234> people would be so confused by it
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a pic of a selfie stick in 1920s iirc
[21:45] <ali1234> i'd take one of the ones with a fake hand on it
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> they were rigging cameras for self pics back then too
[21:45] <ali1234> http://home.bt.com/images/youll-never-be-alone-with-the-selfie-arm-136397833140103901-150429131736.jpg
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> if you want to crush their spirit take a modern printer so they can see how bad they still are...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> what you could do is bring a printout of the linux kernel back...
[21:48] <ali1234> tbh there isn't much around today that wasn't predicted in popular culture in the 80s
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[21:48] <ali1234> or at least sci-fi
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> when i see tradeshows announcements there's next to nothing exciting
[21:49] <ali1234> it's plenty exciting
[21:49] <ali1234> it would be to an 80s guy anyway
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> the last thing that made me go wow was psion pdas.  they were insanely good compared even to desktop computers of the time
[21:50] <ali1234> raspberry pi is pretty impressive
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> now the pi _is_ fantastic... but it's revolution isn't technical but more almost social.  so many of them they created an instant community of hardware geeks
[21:51] <ali1234> yeah but even so... the price and capability are amazing
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> pure moores law
[21:51] <ali1234> it destroys anything over about 10 years old
[21:51] <ali1234> let alone 80s
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> but someone decided instead of making a better faster machine for normal prices make a cheap as chips full system
[21:52] <ali1234> we have those too they are called i7
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> when i started a pc was around ir£3000. and it dropped and dropped till now you can get a cheap laptop for €200
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> but some of them 3k computers are still ticking along whereas sub €300 laptops will be dead in 10 years
[21:53] <ali1234> i think the most impressive thing you could take back would be a 16GB micro sd card. "yes, this 1cm square stores an order of magnitude more than every computer here, and it costs the same as a cup of coffee"
[21:54] <ali1234> *every computer put together
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> i remember my visor neo, getting an sd sled and adding a 16mb card to it.  all the books i could carry compressed onto it!! :-)
[21:56] <daftykins> i was more getting at taking things back to demo the performance, not the concepts
[21:57] <ali1234> yeah it wouldn't be a very interesting demo, but the numbers...
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> and that's the hard part.  you'd need to drag back a lot of hardware.  otherwise it's just another box with blinky lights and a promise that's doing cool stugg
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> *stuff
[21:57] <daftykins> i don't think so
[21:58] <ali1234> if you want to wow people, a gear vr would do it
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> for a % of the population it doesn't work and/or makes them throw up
[21:58] <ali1234> same with rollercoasters man
[21:59] <ali1234> i don't get this idea that you can't make vr games that make people sick
[22:00] <ali1234> if you don't get sick playing a fighter jet simulation it isn't immersive enough in my opinion
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> now a good mp3 player might be the most bang per buck in terms of functionality.  here's a box the size of a pack of ciggies and it contains months of music
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> plus tv shows and movies...
[22:00] <ali1234> mp3 players are out of date now. people just stream
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> many people just stream... many don't
[22:01] <ali1234> old people :)
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> people in rural areas without broadband
[22:01] <ali1234> and hipsters
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> people in dead zones where no amount of infrastrucure seems to work
[22:01] <ali1234> i'm waiting for CDs to become fashionable again so i can sell all mine to hipsters
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> tight people who refuse to pay for data
[22:02] <ali1234> but they only want records and VHS tapes
[22:02] <ali1234> and cassettes
[22:02] <ali1234> give it another 10 years though...
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> especially now japan has stopped making them...
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> some very smart person went around and bought all the vinyl making gear a few years back...
[22:03] <ali1234> i can't believe that... there's too much of it
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> there was, but a lot was junked as it was /useless/
[22:04] <ali1234> loads of studios still have the ability to cut dub plates
[22:04] <ali1234> it's not like one guy has a monopoly ;)
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> small runs seem ok but for large runs you need more industrial equipment aiui
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> we might just have to wait for 3d printers to have a high res... :-)
[22:06] <ali1234> now that is definitely a way off
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> i'd have agreed 2-3 years ago.  but a lot of smart people are pushing the envelope for lots of different reasons
[22:07] <ali1234> the very best 3d printers are still two orders of magnitude away from being good enough to do that
[22:08] <zmoylan-pi> those using them for medical applications are motivated to go super high res.
[22:09] <ali1234> haha someone tried it: http://www.amandaghassaei.com/projects/3D_printed_record/
[22:09] <ali1234> that's actually surprisingly good
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be the ip by pigeons for 3d printers.  as the tech improves someone will keep trying :-)
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> clarkes first law :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
[22:11] <ali1234> done on a stratasys printer
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> a very non standard piece of kit i'm guessing
[22:12] <ali1234> extremely expensive high end gear, nothing at all like a typical rep rap thing
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> which is why i think the medical 3d printing folk will be the first to approach the res required
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> of course it could also be the i want to modify my phone to make a 3d printed phone case that clips an extra battery to the back of my smartphone that can't make it through one single day... :-)
[22:18] <ali1234> of course if i was going back in time i would be really tempted to troll people too
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> of course... :-) and in the future everyone uses macs...


[05:32] <ypwong> JackYu, everything alright for alpha2?
[05:33] <JackYu> ypwong, not really. Will done today:)
[05:33] <ypwong> JackYu, any help needed?
[05:35] <JackYu> ypwong, qa test for a2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds
[05:38] <taotao> 帮忙检查一下，uk的官网是不是登不上了！
[05:42] <JackYu> taotao, 我这不是ok的，你再试试？
[05:45] <taotao> 应该是我这边的网络问题！
[05:47] <taotao> ok了，vmware的问题！
[05:58] <JackYu> 好的～
[11:01] <ypwong>  看戏啦 http://www.letscorp.net/archives/61113
[11:29] <JackYu> ypwong, 我怎么打不开呢
[12:09] <ypwong> JackYu, 要翻墙吧
[12:13] <JackYu> 呵呵，截屏发我邮箱一下？
[12:15] <ypwong> http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-worldlook-1002346-1.shtml
[12:15] <ypwong> 被转载了
[12:16] <ypwong> JackYu, https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/letscorp_archive/archives/61113
[12:17] <ypwong> or https://s3.amazonaws.com/letscorp_archive/archives/61113
[12:17] <JackYu> ypwong, 噢，呵呵
[12:17] <JackYu> 看到了～
[13:02] <ypwong> 做得不错 http://jumpstart.firecrackerbang.co.uk/


[23:08] <safruhani> thanks and good bye
[23:09] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: i have to go, might be back later. Thanks for the help
[23:09] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: did it only fail once or did you try to reboot again? (can you upload the image somewhere? (imagebin.ca))
[23:10] <yofel> missed him -.-
[23:15] <gajop> is it me or has sound stopped working now?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> gajop: it usualy does
[23:16] <gajop> BUGabundo, some update happened and i'm not getting any sound at all
[23:17] <gajop> and at least i think i've got everything unmuted
[23:17] <BUGabundo> gajop: kill PA
[23:17] <BUGabundo> killall pulseaudio
[23:17] <BUGabundo> and it will restart on it self
[23:17] <gajop> yep
[23:18] <gajop> thanks, bb
[23:18] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, hey
[23:19] <BUGabundo> hey thiebaude
[23:19] <BUGabundo> misssed you too :D
[23:21] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, yea, haven't been around testing until 9.10
[23:21] <BUGabundo> you and me :(
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Need to get 299MB of archives. After unpacking 537MB will be freed.
[23:22] <BUGabundo> this a joke, right?
[23:22] <thiebaude> haha
[23:22] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, isn't that the grub bug fix ?
[23:23] <thiebaude> i better check my updates
[23:23] <joaopinto> what's wrong with that message, one of the packages just replaces an existing much bigger package
[23:23] <joaopinto> After unpacking and replacing...
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> my console is all messed up
[23:24] <BUGabundo> can't scroll ok
[23:24] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:24] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/288160/
[23:25] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: ^^^^^
[23:25] <mika_video> at least with KUbuntu 7.10 apparmor module confilcts with driver for Canon LBP-660 laser printer. Has this bug been fixed ? If not, is there an easy way to blacklist apparmor so it will never be loaded ?
[23:27] <BUGabundo>  bug 444703
[23:28] <joaopinto> mika_video, you can just remove apparmor or disable the profile in question
[23:28] <joaopinto> mika_video, have you reported the bug ?
[23:28] <mika_video> I have no idea how to report a bug
[23:28] <joaopinto> mika_video, launchpad.net
[23:28] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: wrong
[23:28] <BUGabundo> LP is a Project manager :)
[23:29] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, which allows to report bugs
[23:29] <BUGabundo> mika_video: you should use ubuntu-bug
[23:29] <joaopinto> LP is a framework, it provides a bug tracker
[23:31] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, like I said, it's the grub bug fix that will free that space
[23:31] <tzanger> good evening
[23:31] <tzanger> great work on 9.10, the upgrade from 9.04 was seamless
[23:31] <tzanger> there are a couple of things I'd like to report, wondering whre the appropriate place to reporti s
[23:32] <joaopinto> tzanger, ubuntu-bug package
[23:32] <joaopinto> assuming you are refering to bugs
[23:32] <tzanger> joaopinto: yep
[23:32] <mika_video> I found this: "Note: If you use Kubuntu, please see the Kubuntu variant of this page here." .... but now: is KUbuntu developed tarallel and in the same time as Ubuntu? or does KUbuntu's final version's preparing only start after the new Ubuntu version is out?
[23:33] <mika_video> just found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[23:40] <commander__> AlanBell r uthere?
[23:40] <commander__> i need help with my sound
[23:45] <commander__> HELP
[23:53] <commander__> i have no sound
[23:53] <BUGabundo> commander__: rebooted?
[23:53] <sako> hey guys, if i get 9.10 beta is it still suggested to reinstall when 9.10 is released?
[23:53] <BUGabundo> sako: NO
[23:54] <BUGabundo> where do your ppl get that idea??
[23:54] <sako> also I see a lot of packages that say held back?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> you just update as often as you wish
[23:54] <BUGabundo> and you get  what ever is in the archive at that given moment
[23:54] <sako> what do held back packages mean? it's not updating those packages?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> sako: sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:55] <sako> i see
[23:55] <sako> thanks BUGabundo
[23:56] <BUGabundo> np
[23:56] <sako> btw what is the difference between safe-upgrade?
[23:56] <sako> and full-upgrade?
[23:56] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[23:56] <peterson> hello; I'm testing out 9.10 and in order to upgrade apt-get asks me if I want to remove libgd2-noxpm and replace it with libgd2-xpm (partial upgrade thing). Does anyone know if it's safe to do it? I mean, they're both libgd2...
[23:57] <BUGabundo> sako: full upgrade jumps dependcy
[23:57] <BUGabundo> peterson: same thing I said to sako
[23:57] <BUGabundo> peterson: : sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:57] <peterson> humm ok I only got the last part. thank you =)
[23:58] <sako> whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[23:58] <test34> why wouldn't it do a safe-upgrade as a default option ?
[23:59] <Pici> aptitude handles manually installed packages a bit differently than apt-get, but other than that, they are the same
[23:59] <sako> so apt-get also has safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[23:59] <BUGabundo> sako: they are both front-ends for dpkg
[23:59] <sako> i have been doing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade


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[21:49] <genii> If anyone's interested in cable or knows someone else who is ( probably for ham radio use), 58 feet ( maybe a little more) of Andrews Heliax LDF5-50A  7/8" , let me know.
[21:54] <genii> http://i.imgur.com/Hu63qER.jpg


[22:19] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: planning on doing a requestsync -d experimental i965-va-driver and requestsync -d experimental libva before feature freeze or does it need ubuntu changes?
[22:20] <bjsnider> unless somebody has taken the i965 package and finished it, it's not ready
[22:20] <Sarvatt> its all released in experimental
[22:20] <bjsnider> it is?
[22:20] <Sarvatt> wont get synced automatically
[22:20] <bjsnider> news to me
[22:20] <Sarvatt> yea
[22:20] <bjsnider> i'll take a look at it at some point
[22:22] <bjsnider> what's the version number?
[22:22] <Sarvatt> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/intel-vaapi-driver/intel-vaapi-driver_1.0.15-1/changelog
[22:22] <bjsnider> ok, that work was done without my knowledge, so it's probably syncable. it's not the barebones thing i sent them anymore
[22:23] <bjsnider> looks like it's relatively mature
[22:23] <bjsnider> i just gave it to siretart and he asked if anyone wanted to work on it and that's the last i heard of it
[22:23] <Sarvatt> do ya want to do the sync so your name is tied to it for later upload rights purposes or anything?
[22:24] <Sarvatt> thats why i was asking
[22:24] <Sarvatt> just has to go in before the 16th
[22:29] <Sarvatt> requestsync -d experimental i965-va-driver && requestsync -d experimental libva, attach test build logs from pbuilder to the bugs it files, its super easy
[22:30] <bjsnider> test builds in precise?
[22:32] <Sarvatt> yeah not using precise? sudo pbuilder create --distribution precise then sudo pbuilder --build foo.dsc
[22:34] <bjsnider> precise isn't very precise at this point
[22:36] <Sarvatt> of course all the effort so it shows up under https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+related-software might be for naught now since its not archive admins doing the processing, most people forget to leave your attribution when they sponsor it now :P
[22:36] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Thanks for looking at that - I was thinking of pulling that across.
[22:38] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, i've got one more i was looking at, how can i check if it's part of the plan or not already?
[22:38] <Sarvatt> sec, pizzas here
[22:39] <bjsnider> there should be a "planned features" wiki like fedora's
[22:39] <bjsnider> but not on the ubuntu wiki site because that's constantly borked
[22:40] <RAOF> By and large the blueprints targeted to a release *should* be the “planned features”
[22:41] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: one more what? lots of things are planned like that but the decisions done in the teams, like we picked X versions back in november
[22:43] <bjsnider> another package i would like to have updated, but i don't know if it's already planned
[22:46] <RAOF> What package?
[22:47] <Sarvatt> yeah totally depends on the package so need to know that :)
[22:48] <RAOF> bjsnider: I think generally you should assume that if there's not already a bug about it, and it's not super-core (mesa, xorg-server), then there's probably no-one doing anything with it right now :)
[22:50] <bjsnider> you mean nobody cares about my little package?
[22:50] <RAOF> bjsnider: I don't know - what little package are you talking about? :)
[22:52] <RAOF> Also, “caring” ≠ “about to update it” ☺
[22:53] <bjsnider> gnome-mplayer/gmtk/gecko-mediaplayer
[22:55] <Sarvatt> thats fully up to date
[22:55] <Sarvatt> 1.0.5-1 in debian unstable, 1.0.5-1 in precise
[22:56] <bjsnider> coolio


[09:28] <rickardve> Any info on bugs/problem with preseed / debian-installer?
[09:29] <rickardve> I'm trying to get this bug sorted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1505839
[13:10] <eliasps> Hey everyone. I need some help to report a bug about a package that could be SRU'ed in wily.
[13:20] <rbasak> eliasps: what do you need?
[13:22] <eliasps> rbasak bare with me because I'm totally lost in this process. I need to propose clutter's latest upstream version 1.24.2 to be SRU'ed into wily. 1.22.4 is in the repositories. How exactly do I report it? What steps should I follow and what work is required from my part?
[13:28] <rbasak> eliasps: are you familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?
[13:33] <eliasps> rbasal, I read the content of this link. I think this falls into "other safe cases" or "new upstream microreleases", but I think I still lack information. I read a bunch of bugs that sru-verification team is subscribed and noticed those two: bug 1470120 and bug 1467533 . But I'm still unclear on how to do this.
[13:33] <eliasps> rbasak *
[13:34] <rbasak> eliasps: first I want to save you time if an SRU is not the correct path. Please can you explain why the bump from 1.22.4 from 1.24.2 is necessary in Wily as opposed to users waiting for Xenial or using the -backports pocket?
[13:35] <teward|live> rbasak: you just ninja'd me lol
[13:35] <teward|live> i was going to state something just like that xD
[13:35] <rbasak> :)
[13:35] <eliasps> There have been a lot of upstream bug fixes and improvements of clutter from the version in ubuntu and the latest one: https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/tree/NEWS
[13:43] <rbasak> It looks like there are behaviour changes there, like switching the default backend.
[13:43] <rbasak> I can't make a decision (it's up to the SRU team) but it looks to me that this isn't suitable for SRU.
[13:44] <rbasak> Oh, I'm sorry. That's prior to the version in Wily.
[13:44] <eliasps> rbasak so you think I should move on with this?
[13:44] <rbasak> I'm still not sure though, eg. line 143.
[13:44] <teward|live> rbasak: there may be subsequent handling changes
[13:45] <teward|live> not to mention additional depends
[13:45] <rbasak> eliasps: what's your background here? Are you the Debian maintainer, a member of the upstream project or a third party?
[13:45] <teward|live> (the further you go up on that changelog)
[13:45] <teward|live> (just observations)
[13:47] <eliasps> rbasak, no background. I just update packages for the gnome3-staging PPA lately and did so for clutter. And the developer that I'm sending those to for upload mentioned that clutter could be sru'ed into wily and asked me if I could prepare a bug, so I'm trying to for that and get more familiar with such processes.
[13:47] <rbasak> OK, thanks. Well, whichever way we do appreicate your work in making the experience better for Ubuntu users.
[13:48] <rbasak> I'm just not sure this qualifies for an SRU.
[13:48] <rbasak> The first step in an SRU is to update the development release anyway, so you could create a bug to track that.
[13:49] <rbasak> Call it "Please update libclutter-1.0 to 1.24.2" or something
[13:50] <rbasak> Tag it "upgrade-software-version"
[13:50] <eliasps> rbasak thank you, any documentation on how I should that?
[13:50] <eliasps> What should I mention in the description and such things.
[13:50] <rbasak> eliasps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-1.0/+filebug
[13:51] <rbasak> eliasps: just pointing to the upstream release notes will do.
[13:51] <rbasak> Though, clutter-1.0 is in sync with Debian
[13:51] <rbasak> So we would prefer you to work with Debian to have it updated, and then it will autosync to Ubuntu for xenial
[13:52] <rbasak> And, in fact, I see that 1.24.2-1 is in Debian already
[13:52] <eliasps> Yes, no ubuntu-specific changes I recall.
[13:52] <eliasps> The latest version is in debian already
[13:52] <rbasak> So you don't need to do anything. It will auto-sync to Xenial when autosync is turned on
[13:52] <eliasps> yes.
[13:52] <eliasps> But you think I shouldn't propose it for wily too.
[13:53] <rbasak> I don't want to stop you from asking the SRU team, as it's not my decision.
[13:53] <rbasak> If you wish, create a bug. It's fine to just call it "Backport clutter-1.24.2 to Wily" if you like.
[13:54] <eliasps> Again, pointing to the upstream notes?
[13:54] <rbasak> Yes, and explain that it will autosync from Debian as soon as autosync is turned on.
[13:54] <rbasak> Point out what version is in Debian.
[13:54] <rbasak> And justify the backport request against the documented SRU policy
[13:54] <eliasps> rbasak, ok. You've been very helpful, thank you very much!!
[13:55] <rbasak> In particular the concern is to make sure that users expecting a stable release are not inconvienced by behaviour changes or regressions
[13:55] <rbasak> eliasps: once done, you will need to follow up with an SRU team member - the bug will probably languish otherwise.
[13:56] <eliasps> rbasak will do. I'll re-read the documentation and create the report based on that and your pointers!
[16:11] <eliasps> rbasak after researching everything about clutter-1.0 and the SRU policy, I found out that a dependency of its latest version isn't met in wily, specifically this package: libcogl-dev, which has a lower than the required version of the latest clutter in wily. Is it a dealbreaker?
[16:11] <teward> eliasps: most likely
[16:12] <teward> (i'm not on the SRU team, i'm just saying that it'll likely factor in hugely)
[16:12] <eliasps> teward, thank you! So I'll just wait for Xenial and work on clutter in PPAs.
[16:30] <rbasak> eliasps: yeah so that's where it starts getting painful. You need to work out everything you need to add or bump. It isn't technically impossible but the further you go down this route the more care needs to be taken with regards to the SRU.
[16:31] <teward> ^ that
[16:31]  * teward was being lazy with his response :)
[16:31] <rbasak> eliasps: and so that's points against doing the SRU at all, if you see what I mean. But I still don't want to stop you from asking the SRU team. Just describe what would be required in the bug, justify it as best as you can and then they can make an informed decision.
[16:32] <rbasak> eliasps: and of course the same SRU policy applies to bumping libcogl-dev as well.
[16:33] <eliasps> rbasak thank you. So I'll give it a shot, and if it gets rejected, so be it. I just hope I won't find any other dependency issues or otherwise with libcogl-dev and result in a chain or something.
[16:39] <rbasak> eliasps: for bonus points you could set up a PPA with your proposed backport. That's often a good way to test things when things get complicated with dependencies being updated too.
[16:39] <rbasak> eliasps: for example we do this with the Docker backport that involves bumping about 20 dependencies.
[16:41] <eliasps> rbasak that's great! I have set up a PPA just for that, testing the packages and any dependency bumps that aren't met in wily or gnome3-staging before I sent them for uploads. So I'll do exactly that! Thank you once more! You've been extremely helpful.
[16:51] <rbasak> eliasps: no problem. Thank you for looking after Ubuntu users!


[00:32] <xclaesse[m]> Hi, I'm testing Ubuntu 22.04, one issue I have is my wired networkd device does not appear. Wifi works fine. Is that a known issue? Any workaround possible?
[00:38] <xclaesse[m]> sarnold: When I plug a usb to ethernet device, I see that in journald: https://pastebin.com/Ltt6iVp4
[00:38] <xclaesse[m]> I think it's apparmor that prevents NetworkManager to get the new device, or something?
[00:39] <xclaesse[m]> I also see the message "kernel: r8152 3-4.1:1.0 enx5c857e356334: renamed from eth0" but it's not shown in "ifconfig"
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> is there anything special about ubuntu-minimal server installs? as installing man/man-db doesn't result in a working man setup
[09:03] <pmjdebruijn> and unminimize depends on snapd again
[09:21] <jhy> Hello! I installed 22.04 as a test and found interesting bug that chrome and electron lose keyboard layout after unfocus somehow and default to I guess english one. Anyone have idea what might be causing this?
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> jhy: chrome is not really a supported package from the ubuntu repos, and how did you install electron?
[10:05] <jhy> It's mattermost desktop app which is acting similarly and it's on top of electron
[10:08] <jhy> I installed chromium and it has same problem
[10:08] <jhy> Is it "supported"?
[10:08] <jhy> Firefox doesn't have the problem or any text editor I tried
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> jhy: both chromium and firefox are now snaps, bugs related should also be filed towards their contact (snap info snapname)
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> lemme check recent chromium bugs holdon
[10:11] <jhy> I'm betting something deeper is causing this as it's on all chrome/electron/chromium
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> that might be jhy itsnot like your apps are crashing?
[10:13] <jhy> No they're not crashing. After start the mattermost has the correct layout but after unfocus and focus back it loses it
[10:14] <jhy> After boot I mean
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> jhy: ok
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> jhy: the routes for chromium bugs are; https://github.com/electron/electron/issues
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> and think for electron its their git; https://github.com/electron/electron/issues
[10:15] <Chunkyz> lotuspsychje, you pasted the same link twice. :-)
[10:15] <jhy> I tried checking there but didn't find anything related but I guess I could try make my own issue. and what chunky said
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> oops sorry
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bugs?field.tag=snap
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> jhy: search that git for existing bugs first ok
[10:20] <jhy> I'll try those methods for now. Thanks lotuspsychje :)
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> jhy: could it be this? https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/28119
[10:28] <jhy> Don't believe so
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> ok
[10:41] <jhy> Hi again. I pinpointed the issue with few boots accidentally as I was booting up for other things
[10:41] <jhy> It resets the locale of those apps when I open terminal
[10:41] <jhy> :D
[10:42] <jhy> All works fine until I open terminal
[10:54] <jhy> oh... My .bashrc breaks something but how it breaks those apps is beyond me
[11:03] <jhy> So... this command: `setxkbmap -option "nbsp:none"` defaults the locale of chrome/electron/chromium in ubuntu 22.04
[11:04] <jhy> I've had this command since 16.04 to stop myself of inserting non-breaking whitespace to vim
[11:04] <jhy> funny
[11:30] <jhy> Oh well, I guess I'll find an alternative to that command
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> anyone on jammy with nvidia graphics that can test polari on wayland? on intel 620 it seems to launch
[14:51] <ravage> lotuspsychje: launches
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> tnx to test ravage
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer: ^
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> Wierd.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> wich nvidia driver are you using ravage ?
[14:52] <ravage> 510.60.02-0ubuntu1
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> I'll re-test, but E:TakingVehicleToShop
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> kk tnx
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> ok hf Eickmeyer
[14:52]  * Eickmeyer rolls eyes
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> Thanks. :)
[14:53]  * ravage goes back to Xorg because wayland almost messes up everyrthing else :D
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> heh
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> work in progress
[14:54] <xclaesse[m]> Hi, I'm testing Ubuntu 22.04, one issue I have is my wired networkd device does not appear. Wifi works fine. Is that a known issue? Any workaround possible?
[14:54] <ravage> xclaesse[m]: new hardware? did it work on the previous version?
[14:56] <ravage> does it show up in "nmcli d s" ?
[14:56] <xclaesse[m]> it was working fine on 20.04
[14:56] <xclaesse[m]> now even ifconfig does not show the iface
[14:56] <ravage> did you do an upgrade from 20.04?
[14:57] <xclaesse[m]> enp3s0f0         ethernet  unmanaged  --
[14:58] <xclaesse[m]> yes, that's the one I think
[14:58] <xclaesse[m]> Yes it's an upgrade, that went terribly wrong, but that's my fault for not waiting for stable release
[14:58] <ravage> ok
[14:59] <ravage> try "sudo nmcli dev set enp3s0f0 managed yes" first
[14:59] <blb613988> is there anything else broken beside the iface not showing up?
[14:59] <blb613988> xclaesse[m]: ^
[15:00] <ravage> if that does not solve it try "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf; sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager"
[15:01] <xclaesse[m]> note that even an usb-ethernet device does not work
[15:01] <xclaesse[m]> ravage: did not change anything
[15:01] <xclaesse[m]> blb613988: I have a loooong list of regressions unfortunately. Getting a bit worried about this releae tbh. But nothing related to my wired network issue.
[15:02] <ravage> xclaesse[m]: the official upgrade from 20.04 will not be ready until the 22.04.1 release. you will not get any prompt before that. first upgrade is from 21.10
[15:03] <xclaesse[m]> blb613988: the most annoying to me: all webkit apps are broken (that's reported already), firefox snap often does not startup or takes super long and cannot open new windows
[15:03] <xclaesse[m]> ravage: that worked!
[15:03] <xclaesse[m]> thanks
[15:03] <ravage> great :)
[15:04] <ravage> xclaesse[m]: nvidia card? then make sure you stay on Xorg for now
[15:04] <blb613988> xclaesse[m]: ok, thanks, then I'll wait until may
[15:04] <ravage> you can choose the session type after you select your username on the login screen
[15:04] <ravage> wayland still has a lot of issues for me too
[15:04] <xclaesse[m]> firefox snap also does not remember open tabs when restarting, not even pinned.
[15:05] <blb613988> you can use firefox from an AppImage. Forget snap
[15:05] <xclaesse[m]> intel
[15:05] <ravage> ok. intel support is usually fine
[15:05] <xclaesse[m]> firefox does not work at all with X
[15:05] <xclaesse[m]> but webkit does
[15:05] <xclaesse[m]> it's one or the other :P
[15:06] <ravage> chromium does not even open on wayland for me
[15:06] <ravage> but thats another snap thing
[15:06] <xclaesse[m]> but anyway, I'm not complaining, it's beta ;-)
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> theres a big webkit bug being worked on right now
[15:07] <xclaesse[m]> oh and l2tp VPN is broken too, that has been reported into launchpad too
[15:08] <xclaesse[m]> yes, I think it went down to mesa now: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/6236
[15:08] <xclaesse[m]> I'm not too worried, that's going to be fixed
[15:08] <xclaesse[m]> Firefox I'm much more worried, because clearly snap is not up for the task at all
[15:09] <ravage> we are all worried about snap :)
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> xclaesse[m]: bug #1966418
[15:09] <ravage> but when 2 corporations make a deal the community has to obey i guess
[15:10] <xclaesse[m]> for an essential package in an LTS release that clearly should be reverted immediately, IMHO
[15:10] <xclaesse[m]> give it more time to mature into intermediary releaes
[15:10] <xclaesse[m]> but not my call
[15:12] <xclaesse[m]> lotuspsychje: thanks, found that link already. It's bad enough that it even show when googling the issue :/
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> seems like bug #1965673 is solved on my journal logs now
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: im just noticing a lot of noise on journalctl -f regarding photoqt, you might wanna check that
[19:28] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: could you copy paste that into a file and put it somewhere online with link to it?
[19:29] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: could as well just put it up on the developer page (github.com) an issue?
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: sure, tomorrow
[20:11] <tarzeau> great, thanks!
[20:13] <lotus|NUC> ; )


[10:24] <airurando> well hello darrenbatesdub
[10:26] <darrenbatesdub> Hello airurando! Just about getting used to the IRC now! Looking forward to tomorrow's meeting - put a post up on my blog that can be viewed here: http://darrenbatesdublin.blogspot.ie/2013/07/ubuntu-ireland-team-summer-meeting.html
[10:30] <airurando> darrenbatesdub: very nice. and thanks for the kind mention.
[12:41] <airurando> new blogpost http://airurando.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/my-second-experience-of-the-ubuntu-loco-team-re-approval-process-not-as-straight-forward-as-the-first/
[12:42]  * airurando trying to desperately get past the embarrassing one
[14:18] <Belgarath> airurando: whcih is ?
[14:21] <airurando> Belgarath: the preceding blog post from the weekend.