[12:12] <Hawkwind> Stop pasting to the channel and use pastebin
[12:12] <CVirus> danny500: why are you freaking pasting here !!
[12:12] <CVirus> danny500: what is your graphics card ?
[12:12] <Hawkwind> !pastebin | danny500
[12:12] <ubotu> danny500: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:12] <danny500> sorry
[12:13] <danny500> I didn't crash anybody did I?
[12:13] <CVirus> its okay
[12:13] <CVirus> danny500: I'll brb in 2 minutes
[12:13] <danny500> ok
[12:13] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: what videocard do you have
[12:13] <danny500> NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]
[12:14] <Hawkwind> You need 3d drivers to play cube
[12:14] <danny500> NVidia Vanta
[12:14] <danny500> were do I get those?
[12:14] <Hawkwind> !nvidia | danny500
[12:14] <ubotu> danny500: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:14] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: i guess you'r useing framebuffer now
[12:14] <danny500> ?
[12:15] <sveur> help! I need help to edit my fstab to access a disk
[12:15] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: that also explains why you think linux is slow
[12:15] <danny500> o so instead of using the graphics card to full potential it's buffering the graphics into the cpu?
[12:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: no, frambuffer is a technology that works even with old 2meg cards
[12:16] <danny500> I have an 8MB graphics card
[12:17] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: and is used if linux can't figure out your videocard, as happens with nvidia and ati cards
[12:17] <morphish> or old as dirt 8MB cards....
[12:17] <danny500> It work great on windows lol
[12:17] <CVirus> danny500: and it woll work great on Linux when you install the drivers
[12:18] <danny500> I've had it running up to 60MB before
[12:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> hmm opengl on an 8mb card :)
[12:18] <CVirus> danny500: virues work greatly on windows too
[12:18] <CVirus> viruses*
[12:18] <danny500> thats why they have viruse programs
[12:18] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: help! I need help to edit my fstab to access a disk
[12:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: you can do that as root
[12:18] <danny500> with a viruse program there is no need to worry
[12:19] <sveur> i dont know what to write
[12:19] <CVirus> danny500: really ? why did blaster hit all the people with anti-virus programs too ?
[12:19] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: open the file and look, things will explain themself
[12:20] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: or try man fstab
[12:20] <CVirus> danny500: blaster hit me when I had the latest Norton Anti Virus with the latest updates
[12:20] <sveur> yes, i'm root
[12:20] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk?
[12:20] <danny500> what?
[12:20] <danny500> Norton sucks
[12:20] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: so does windows
[12:20] <danny500> AVG is one of the best
[12:20] <CVirus> danny500: this isnt the correct place to start such a discussion
[12:21] <danny500> I never had any probs with viruses
[12:21] <danny500> ok
[12:21] <CVirus> I'll go get some sleep
[12:22] <danny500> ok
[12:22] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: linux isn't that difficult, i know at least 2 authistic's that use it
[12:22] <[cf] nightrid3r> <-- one of them
[12:22] <icheyne> hi all - I've got a problem with resolving hostnames after my edgy upgrade
[12:22] <icheyne> my other machine on my local network can connect to google.com
[12:23] <icheyne> but my upgraded machine cannot
[12:23] <icheyne> any ideas?
[12:23] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: how can i find the UUID?
[12:23] <danny500> It's quet funny cause you make fun of windows but atleast windows doesn't need a help line like this because there aren't as many probs
[12:23] <icheyne> danny500: there are irc chatrooms for windows help
[12:24] <danny500> Yeah but noone I know of has ever had a prob with winows
[12:24] <danny500> ever
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> I don't suppose there's any way to play quicktime content in linux?
[12:24] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: the problem is that there is no linux as is, every distro is different so its a litlebit harder to install software or make a universal installer
[12:25] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: and it takes some time before games are available in the distro's repo for instalation
[12:25] <danny500> ok
[12:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: on the other hand, useing linux will teach you allot about computers and stuff
[12:26] <danny500> and thats why only 1 % of the computer world is made out of Linux distro's
[12:26] <danny500> facts hurt eh
[12:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: right, most people don't want to lear
[12:27] <notech> run games on the OS they were designed for or get a game console
[12:27] <andre_> oi
[12:27] <[cf] nightrid3r> learn*+
[12:27] <danny500> they shouldn't have to
[12:27] <notech> 1%, heh. thats a joke
[12:27] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: oh, so you never learned how to read and write
[12:27] <andre_> my max screen resolution is 800x600@60 HZ
[12:28] <apokryphos> andre_: check the FAQ
[12:28] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk?
[12:28] <andre_> where?
[12:28] <morghanphoenix> anyone know if there's a way to play quicktime?
[12:28] <danny500> a computer is something that you should be able to just hope on and chat with their buddies or find info on the web or play games or what ever, not take 6 months to learn how to use the damn thing!
[12:28] <danny500> ok
[12:29] <ExodusC> Can anyone help me for a sec?
[12:29] <morghanphoenix> It should be both danny
[12:29] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: nice dream :)
[12:29] <danny500> why does computing have to be so hard?
[12:29] <danny500> computing should be a fun thing
[12:29] <apokryphos> it is :D
[12:29] <notech> its not,you just don't want to put in any effort
[12:29] <andre_> this is an BIOS error
[12:29] <danny500> not a "throw my computer out the window" thing
[12:29] <yuma> danny500: what are you trying to convince us?
[12:29] <andre_> Bicho Ignorante Operando o Sistema
[12:29] <morghanphoenix> I think windows is much more difficult personally.
[12:30] <ExodusC> I mounted my other HDD with Windows on it to mnt/win -- I just made the folder.... I don't know how to unlock it, or get the permissions changed to allow Konquerer to access it
[12:30] <yuma> andre_: hehehe
[12:30] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: how can i find the UUID?
[12:30] <danny500> why, clicking next to hard for you?
[12:30] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: i have no idea :(
[12:30] <andre_> you umperstanded...
[12:30] <notech> danny500: even your trolling shows no effort since you don't even have correct facts
[12:30] <morghanphoenix> Ever tried to actually set up windows?
[12:30] <ExodusC> =/
[12:31] <danny500> yeah, it took me 10 minutes
[12:31] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: can i get root access in konqueror?
[12:31] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: nope
[12:31] <apokryphos> sveur: you should generally avoid it, but if you need to: kdesu konqueror
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> Really? Using the cd that came with your computer?
[12:31] <Lam_> where can i get konqueror plugins
[12:31] <danny500> yeah
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> That's not a reall windows install
[12:31] <angasule> !opengl
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <notech> lol, 10 minutes is a joke too. no windows installs in 10 minutes
[12:31] <apokryphos> Lam_: like....
[12:31] <angasule> !mesa
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mesa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:32] <apokryphos> angasule: investigate in /msg
[12:32] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: Any idea how to unlock a folder and give my user account permission so I can view this mounted HDD in Konquerer?
[12:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> notech: yes, windows 2.0 does :)
[12:32] <angasule> apokryphos: sorry, didn't know it worked
[12:32] <danny500> Times had to install windows=1, time had to install Ubuntu=14 and counting
[12:32] <dragonflyseven> I have installed unrar-free, but I still cant unzip .rars. Any idea why?
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> The CDs that come with your computer are allready set up for your computer, simplified for the masses.
[12:32] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: what's the error?
[12:32] <apokryphos> you may need unrar-nonfree
[12:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: chmod 777 /mnt/point if you are the only one useing the computer
[12:33] <apokryphos> [cf] nightrid3r: huh? That'd be a really bad way of going about it
[12:33] <[cf] nightrid3r> apokryphos: i know :(
[12:33] <notech> danny500: well, you'll keep installing until you decide that putting a bit of effort is worth it. enjoy
[12:33] <apokryphos> mount point permissions should be set using mount or fstab
[12:33] <yuma> [cf] nightrid3r: isn't better to add an entry in fstab with users as option?
[12:33] <[cf] nightrid3r> yuma: thats what i told him before
[12:33] <dragonflyseven> It says that "The utility unrar is not in your PATH."
[12:34] <angasule> ugh, the opengl manpages aren't available as a package? what's with that?
[12:34] <danny500> I have waisted 64 hours in the last two weeks on my Ubuntu, what do you mean effort?
[12:34] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: can you paste the output of dpkg -L unrar-free?
[12:34] <apokryphos> danny500: what's the problem?
[12:34] <Dink> i had to install both unrar-free and unrar for it to work
[12:34] <danny500> EVERYTHING!
[12:34] <yuma> danny500: you're wasting about 1~2 hours now...
[12:34] <apokryphos> danny500: very descriptive
[12:34] <notech> danny500: cuz there is no need to reinstall. learn to fix whatever issues you have...oh, that's right, you won't
[12:35] <danny500> exactly
[12:35] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: if you expect to learn everything about linux in 2 weeks you have a big problem
[12:35] <danny500> because noone knows how to install this #$%^#% game.
[12:35] <dragonflyseven> apokryphos: Do I need to pastebin it, or can I do it here? It is like 12 lines.
[12:35] <danny500> I've been using Ubuntu for a year now
[12:35] <apokryphos> danny500: Linux isn't really the ideal environment for gaming (unfortunately)
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> What game, I logged on after this started.
[12:35] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: Says it is a Read Only Filesystem
[12:35] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: pastebin please
[12:35] <apokryphos> (always)
[12:35] <Dink> dragonflyseven, install both unrar and unrar-free
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> Try Vendetta Online
[12:35] <notech> danny500: a game? rofl, you reinstall the OS cuz of a game? heh, thats funny
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> Great Game.
[12:35] <danny500> no
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> Wjat game was it?
[12:36] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: this is a general kubuntu channel, just try to ask microsoft for help with and adobe program
[12:36] <andre_> konqueror is a few slow...
[12:36] <danny500> Cube
[12:36] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: I can access it as root, but I want to move alot of stuff over to this Linux install, and I'd like to be able to use Konqueror
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> Cube comes in a binary, unpack and click.
[12:36] <yuma> what's the problem with it? I could play it in the past without so much trouble
[12:36] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: nevermind, I did it on packages.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <danny500> were do I get the Binary?
[12:36] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: the command you have to use is unrar-free
[12:37] <dragonflyseven> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29804/
[12:37] <yuma> danny500: go to the homepage of the project
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> You have to check your deps too
[12:37] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: if the stuff is already on the disk tou can just copy it to your linux install
[12:37] <dragonflyseven> The command? I am using Ark. Do I have to change some setting?
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> if you're missing stuff it needs it won't run.
[12:38] <andre_> sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[12:38] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: This is on another HDD, and it is just giving me "Folder Locked" and that user doesn't have permission to access
[12:38] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: try making a symlink to unrar then
[12:38] <andre_> monitorrange: 30-54, 50-120
[12:38] <yuma> dragonflyseven: have you something in /usr/bin/unrar, because you can make a link
[12:38] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: ln -s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> I like the vo installer, shell script that checks all your deps, gets everything and installs it with one click.
[12:38] <Lam_> wow katapult is freakin' sweet
[12:39] <apokryphos> it's nice, yeah :)
[12:39] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: Should I have to execute the chmod with -R?
[12:39] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: you must add the users option to the dev line in etc/fstab then do mount -o /dev/harddiskpartition remount
[12:39] <dragonflyseven> I don't have a /usr/bin/unrar.
[12:40] <Lam_> apokryphos: i was just wondering if there was a general site i could go to for konqueror plugins.  i want to see what is available before i dedicate myself to a firefox switch
[12:40] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: ln -s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar
[12:40] <yuma> dragonflyseven: read what apokryphos told you
[12:40] <apokryphos> Lam_: I really don't think there are many; have you checked konqueror.org?
[12:40] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: or chown the mount point (might break things)
[12:40] <arriesp> ola
[12:40] <dragonflyseven> I am sorry, I am lost. Do I copy "-s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar"
[12:41] <steveire> Does gnome have an equivalent to kparts? I think parts are a great idea.
[12:41] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: in a terminal (alt+f2 -> konsole) type sudo ln -s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar
[12:41] <morghanphoenix> So nobody knows if I can get quicktime to play, doesn't seem like it but I wanted to check anyways.
[12:41] <yuma> morghanphoenix: are you sure you can't?
[12:41] <danny500> I think theres an VLC codec for realtime
[12:41] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: apple might be able to tell you
[12:41] <danny500> try that
[12:42] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: have you checked the FAQ?
[12:42] <Lam_> apokryphos: i'll give that a shot. thanks
[12:42] <dragonflyseven> Oh, I thought that was in, not ln. Thank you. It is working now! Thank you apokryphos!
[12:42] <apokryphos> cool :)
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> Can't find any, everything I find says apple hasn't released one, was looking for an unofficial alternative. Not the first time I
[12:42] <yuma> well, anyone knows if there's something broken in the last upgrade that makes unable to fullscreen a window in OpenGL?
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> I've heard VLC
[12:42] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: just installing unrar-nonfree instead of unrar-free would've been a fix too, but good to try to use free formats :)
[12:43] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: look at the FAQ
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> Need to look that one up.
[12:43] <yuma> morghanphoenix: the win32 codecs doesn't have any soluton to that?
[12:43] <danny500> yeah, it can play almost any media file type
[12:43] <danny500> no
[12:43] <danny500> the win32 is for wma and wmv and stuff like that
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> I think it does rm too
[12:43] <danny500> realtime is an apple product
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> But not quicktime.
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> I'm going to check vlc now
[12:44] <apokryphos> !faq
[12:44] <ubotu> faq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[12:45] <danny500> I have VLC, it works great but It's a little jumpy if you have an old cpu
[12:45] <yuma> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html
[12:45] <apokryphos> And w32codecs does include Quicktime plugins
[12:45] <danny500> yeah mplayer might work to
[12:45] <yuma> quicktime is supported by the mplayer binary codecs packages
[12:45] <morghanphoenix> I have an athlon, seems to handle everything I've given it so far just fine, including 3d games.
[12:45] <yuma> danny500: that's the win32 codecs packages, no?
[12:45] <[cf] nightrid3r> libquicktime is in the repo's :)
[12:45] <danny500> for what?
[12:46] <danny500> have you tried xine player?
[12:46] <danny500> or xfmedia
[12:46] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, I'm using xine and mplayer at the moment, and libquicktime is not in my repos.
[12:47] <apokryphos> !info libquicktime
[12:47] <ubotu> Package libquicktime does not exist in any distro I know
[12:47] <danny500> try KMplayer
[12:47] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: is it really that hard to check the FAQ though? :)
[12:47] <morghanphoenix> I get no hits on a search for quicktime, and maybe I wasn't looking in the right place, but I didn't find it in the faq.
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> only reference I found was under restricted formats.
[12:48] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: ctrl+f -> quicktime
[12:48] <yuma> MP3/Divx/DVDs/Quicktime/Realmedia/Flash/Java
[12:48] <apokryphos> yes.....! Mention of Quicktime
[12:49] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: libquicktime4linux
[12:49] <danny500> how do you do that? (* apokryphos notices something)
[12:49] <apokryphos> [cf] nightrid3r: the package in the repo has an annoying 0 at the end :P
[12:49] <apokryphos> !info libquicktime0
[12:49] <ubotu> libquicktime0: library for reading and writing Quicktime files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.7-0.6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 728 kB
[12:49] <Hawkwind> danny500: /me Your word(s)
[12:49] <apokryphos> though w32codecs package is probably going to be better
[12:50] <[cf] nightrid3r> apokryphos: yeah i know :(
[12:50] <danny500> *danny500 going out
[12:50] <danny500> didn't work oh well nvm
[12:50] <Hawkwind> danny500: /me Going out  You have to use /me
[12:50] <andre_> help
[12:50] <danny500> huh?
[12:50] <andre_> when I click in Monitor and video icon in systemsettings as root
[12:50] <Hawkwind> /me Going out
[12:51] <andre_> it says what this module is broken
[12:51] <danny500> oh
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, as I said before, followed the restricted formats thing and it doesn't work.
[12:51] <danny500> I see
[12:51] <yuma> morghanphoenix: I always use the essential codecs from the mplayer homepage
[12:51] <andre_> this work as normal user
[12:51] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: w32codecs is installed?
[12:51] <andre_> but is does not apply the changes
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> yes, and functioning for wmv & wma.
[12:51] <andre_> and when i find monitor at kcontrol
[12:52] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: what player are you using?
[12:52] <andre_> it backs for start page
[12:52] <yuma> morghanphoenix: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> mplayer, switched from kaffeine after it wasn't working for that one.
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> already there yuma, thanks
[12:52] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: try kaffeine again
[12:52] <danny500> is there an apple version of wine?
[12:52] <andre_> some1 know why this happens?
[12:53] <andre_> CroosOverMac
[12:53] <yuma> morghanphoenix: I think that's nothing to do with mplayer, I got the impression you can use the mplayer codecs with every player
[12:53] <danny500> o ok
[12:53] <andre_> but is paid
[12:53] <yuma> hmmm, I don't know...
[12:53] <danny500> o, go figure
[12:53] <apokryphos> yuma: pretty much, yes.
[12:54] <yuma> so that's it, try to put the codecs in a /usr/lib/win32 or somewhere near that directory
[12:54] <apokryphos> there shouldn't be a need for that, really
[12:54] <apokryphos> w32codecs from the 3rd party repo should have all the necessary things
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> hey why can't I format a partition with systemsettings (edgy)?
[12:55] <yuma> apokryphos: I can't tell, because I think I don't use those... I think it's a kind of mania I got in the past
[12:55] <danny500> for QT info go to http://lists.apple.com/archives/Streaming-server-dev/2005/Feb/msg00013.html
[12:55] <kaflan> hi, what i shoud to do, to get Language applet in KDE?
[12:55] <flaccid> !ghostscript
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ghostscript - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <flaccid> !gs
[12:55] <ubotu> gs: Transitional package. In component main, is optional. Version 8.50-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 48 kB
[12:55] <danny500> kaflan: go to Adept and look up the language you want to use
[12:56] <andre_> apt-get install kde-i18n-YOURLANGUAGE
[12:56] <danny500> then install it
[12:56] <kaflan> hmm
[12:56] <danny500> or you can do that
[12:56] <kaflan> i dont want to change language in kde
[12:56] <kaflan> i want only keyboard switcher layout
[12:56] <danny500> then what do you want then?
[12:56] <danny500> o ok
[12:56] <yuma> well, good night/evening/morning everyone, I'm off to my bed.
[12:56] <danny500> why, what type of keyboard you have?
[12:57] <jeroenvrp> how to format a partition?!
[12:57] <danny500> american english
[12:57] <jeroenvrp> with a gui?
[12:57] <kaflan> i have english, but i need to use russian
[12:57] <kaflan> and keep english too
[12:57] <danny500> so you have an english keyboard but want it to type out in russian
[12:57] <kaflan> and in english too
[12:58] <danny500> I would suggest you just use an online translator
[12:58] <jeroenvrp> shadowraven: ping
[12:58] <kaflan> i have english / russian keyboard
[12:58] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: install support for russion and then you can swith in the control panel
[12:58] <danny500> oh it does both
[12:58] <kaflan> y
[12:58] <danny500> nm
[12:59] <kaflan> [cf] nightrid3r: i did not need whole russian support, i need only keyborad switching
[12:59] <kaflan> applet
[12:59] <danny500> yeah, do what [cf] nightrid3r said
[12:59] <kaflan> i can switch keyboard now, but i need only indicator
[12:59] <danny500> it comes with a shot cut key to
[01:00] <bubu1uk> kaflan: u can set it up in control panel
[01:00] <cpk1> how do you get the change log of apps with apt?
[01:00] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: kkbswitch
[01:00] <kaflan> bubu1uk: layout indicator?
[01:00] <danny500> don't you see a little flag on your application bar?
[01:00] <kaflan> couse not
[01:00] <kaflan> i`m not so nooby ;)
[01:00] <danny500> ok
[01:00] <danny500> haha
[01:01] <kaflan> :P
[01:01] <danny500> :p
[01:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: kkbswitch will let you switch keyboard settings
[01:01] <bubu1uk> kaflan: yeah, that little flag in systray. u can setup it  in control center
[01:01] <kaflan> where in control panel it is?
[01:01] <danny500> the flag will show which language your currentl using, thats why I asked
[01:02] <bubu1uk> Regional and language
[01:02] <danny500> is KDE setup like ubuntu?
[01:02] <kaflan> thx a lot
[01:02] <bubu1uk> kaflan: and than choose keyboard layout
[01:02] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: or try xxkb
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, it's installed, and I have the firefox and moxilla plug-ins set up in my preferances, still nothing but a greay screen in the quicktime window.
[01:05] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk or any .deb kind solution?
[01:05] <Emess> whenever i login, i get windows coming up from a previous session, but i closed those windows weeks ago and everytime i login theyr back,  especiall konqueror and konsole ones, any ideas?
[01:05] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: create a link from the ff plugins dir to the codec
[01:07] <word> Anyone have any experience with audacity and segmentation faults?
[01:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> Emess: in system settings -- advances -- session manager you can change this
[01:09] <morghanphoenix> Okay, how do I create a link when I don't have permissions for /usr?
[01:09] <Emess> no, i want it to savemy sessions, but not reopen windows that were closed before i logged out
[01:09] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: sudo
[01:09] <Emess> its remembering stuff that shouldnt be there
[01:14] <dragonflyseven> Every once in a while my sound gets all skippy and crackly. This really irritates me. I have given up on fixing it, but I noticed that when I restart the XServer, it gets better. I presume that this is because it also restarts the sound driver or whatever, so my question is this; is there a way to restart the sound server/driver without restarting the X?
[01:15] <icheyne> has anyone tried automatix2 or easyubuntu with Edgy - which one is better?
[01:15] <icheyne> I had trouble with easyubuntu last time, so I'm nervous this time around...
[01:15] <apokryphos> !automatix
[01:15] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[01:16] <icheyne> !easyubuntu
[01:16] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ (currently down!); for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[01:16] <sveur> How can i edit a textfile in konsole?
[01:16] <LjL> sveur: nano filename
[01:16] <apokryphos> sveur: with a text-line editor; nano or vim (more advanced usage)
[01:16] <icheyne> !automatix2
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: nano
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatix2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <icheyne> ok thanks
[01:16] <icheyne> I'll stick to manual approach
[01:16] <icheyne> last time I got burned
[01:16] <apokryphos> !automatix2 is <alias> automatix
[01:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that, apokryphos
[01:16] <LjL> good idea icheyne
[01:17] <icheyne> :(
[01:17] <icheyne> ok thanks guys
[01:17] <icheyne> cya later
[01:17] <apokryphos> icheyne: the FAQ is very helpful
[01:17] <icheyne> apokryphos: thanks I'll check it out :)
[01:22] <Emess> mmm windows came back even after i closed tehm again
[01:25] <captainbraille> my wife told Konqueror not to save passwords, how do I undo and fix that?
[01:26] <apokryphos> captainbraille: fire up the wallet manager: kwalletmanager
[01:27] <apokryphos> captainbraille: presuming you're using kwallet
[01:27] <captainbraille> apokryphos, yup using kwallet, okay the KDE Wallet Manager window is up
[01:27] <apokryphos> and edit the configuration in there
[01:28] <faked_> Hey, when I try to open specific applications(like limewire, certain songs[not all, just some O.o] , etc) my computer locks up and I have to restart. Anyone know what gives?
[01:29] <manchicken> Where's the default Xmodmap?
[01:29] <apokryphos> faked_: bad java version?
[01:29] <apokryphos> manchicken: the command or file?
[01:29] <manchicken> file
[01:30] <apokryphos> manchicken: if there's not one in your home, create one: ~/.Xmodmap
[01:30] <apokryphos> it'll be detected on X startup
[01:30] <manchicken> apokryphos: So where's it mapping my Alt_R to something funky?
[01:30] <apokryphos> probably not got anything to do with xmodmap; probably kde
[01:31] <faked_> I dunno, how would I figure it out? or fix it?
[01:31] <manchicken> Nope.  It's at the xev level.
[01:31] <captainbraille> apokryphos I don't think I'm finding it
[01:31] <apokryphos> manchicken: how do you know?
[01:31] <apokryphos> faked_: dpkg -l|grep sun gives?
[01:31] <faked_> 'cause like, some songs open, whatever player I use, but other songs my computer freezes. same thing with video and applications, some work, some don't
[01:31] <apokryphos> if it's more than a few lines please pastebin
[01:31] <faked_> okay one sec
[01:31] <apokryphos> manchicken: how do you know?
[01:31] <manchicken> apokryphos: Because I did xev.
[01:31] <apokryphos> so?
[01:32] <apokryphos> that doesn't tell you that kde isn't interfering
[01:32] <faked_> pastebin?
[01:32] <manchicken> KDE doesn't change what the key code is mapped to IIRC.
[01:32] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[01:32] <Dink> !pastebin
[01:32] <manchicken> The key code isn't mapped to Alt_R
[01:32] <apokryphos> manchicken: what funky things is it doing?
[01:32] <manchicken> It's getting mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift
[01:32] <faked_> !pastebin
[01:33] <faked_> well the bot isn't telling me what pastebin is, so anyone care to explain? >_>
[01:33] <apokryphos> manchicken: try to override it in your ~/.xmodmap
[01:33] <apokryphos> !test
[01:33] <apokryphos> ubotu: wake up
[01:33] <apokryphos> dang, the bot has died
[01:33] <apokryphos> faked_: www.paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:34] <faked_> Firefox can't find the server at www.paste.ubuntu-nl.org.
[01:34] <cpk1> !paste
[01:34] <cpk1> he is still dead...
[01:34] <apokryphos> cpk1: server that he's on must've crashed
[01:35] <cpk1> pastebin.ca
[01:35] <apokryphos> !test
[01:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:36] <faked_> well there he is >_>
[01:36] <apokryphos> cool
[01:36] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:36] <faked_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29811/
[01:36] <apokryphos> odd, looks fine
[01:37] <apokryphos> try using frostwire instead
[01:37] <apokryphos> !frostwire
[01:37] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[01:37] <faked_> that's what i use
[01:37] <faked_> what, did i say limewire by mistake?
[01:37] <faked_> >_>
[01:37] <apokryphos> hm, I really don't know I'm afraid
[01:37] <apokryphos> you could see if anyone in #ubuntu has had the same problem
[01:37] <faked_> i'll check it out
[01:37] <faked_> thanks for tryin
[01:37] <cpk1> faked_: is it mp3 or flac or what?
[01:38] <faked_> mp3s
[01:38] <cpk1> that makes you lock up
[01:38] <faked_> i dunno what video format
[01:38] <cpk1> and you are sure you completely lock? you cant even get a tty?
[01:38] <faked_> complete lock
[01:38] <faked_> wait no.. not mp3s..
[01:38] <faked_> the files that are locking are .wavs
[01:39] <cpk1> do the same .wavs make you lock up no matter what player you use?
[01:39] <faked_> Yeah
[01:39] <captainbraille> my wife told Konqueror not to save passwords, how do I undo and fix that?
[01:39] <faked_> and also, when I open specific movies, it freezes
[01:39] <cpk1> so maybe they are bad .wavs?
[01:40] <cpk1> and bad movies?
[01:40] <faked_> so bad that they would lock the computer up?
[01:40] <faked_> I didn't know that could happen >_>
[01:40] <cpk1> well have they worked with anything else?
[01:40] <manchicken> Ah ha!  It's xkb!
[01:40] <faked_> and that still doesn't explain why frostwire suddenly started failing
[01:40] <cpk1> it is kind of odd that they lock you up though
[01:40] <faked_> well this computer's always had a bit of a niche for special cases >_>
[01:42] <sync350> quick question: on openoffice word processor... i have a header with a name and page number field on every page, but i need to remove it from the first page.  How can I remove it without effecting the other headers?
[01:43] <faked_> sync: I'm not sure, but i think if you just make the header on the 2nd page, it'll affect all the pages beyond that but not the first page
[01:43] <cpk1> sync350: good question, my incredibly anal professor just complained to me about having my header span all my pagers on my paper instead of just having it on the first one...
[01:43] <sync350> faked_: aighty, thanks, ill try that
[01:43] <cpk1> she also didnt like the fact that the header wasnt an inch from the top...
[01:46] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk or any .deb kind solution?
[01:48] <sync350> hmm.... faked_: that didn't seem to work :(
[01:52] <sync350> YES! i figured it out!
[01:55] <sync350> cpk1: for refrence... right click the page, then click page... check the boxes for headers on and same for left/right (so that both are checked) ... then go to format -> styles and formatting, and click the icon for page styles.  double click First Page, and the header on the first page should go away.,  i know your problem was the opposate (wanting the header only on first page) but if you play around with that, you may find it
[01:56] <cpk1> sync350: alright thanks
[01:57] <sync350> no prob :)
[02:16] <ryanakca> what package provides libgobject-2.0?
[02:23] <astronaute> hello all
[02:24] <leandir> hi everybody
[02:24] <willreed03> what is a good easy to use graphical FTP server?
[02:24] <leandir> is it normal that last.fm on Amarok actually DEVORES cpu speed?
[02:24] <leandir> filezilla
[02:25] <leandir> willreed03: filezilla
[02:25] <willreed03> ok
[02:25] <willreed03> thanks
[02:25] <redtricycle> I don't think that's normal, leandir..I'm using it
[02:25] <redtricycle> devour, 70%+?
[02:25] <leandir> about 100%...of 1,8 Ghz
[02:25] <astronaute> someone can help me compile frozen-bubble 2.0 on amd64 please ?
[02:25] <leandir> every time I try to use last.fm my laptop goes nuts
[02:25] <astronaute> http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:26] <astronaute> think i have glib2.0 error
[02:27] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk or any .deb kind solution?
[02:27] <leandir> mhz: for what?
[02:28] <mhz> leandir: internet cafe server and client
[02:28] <seishinbyou> Yes!  Wine now working under Kubuntu edgy!
[02:28] <seishinbyou> sort of
[02:29] <mhz> leandir: I have tried unsuccesfully to compil any of them
[02:29] <leandir> mhz: I do NOT know how to compile ;-)
[02:29] <mhz> leandir: are you using openkiosk?
[02:29] <leandir> mhz: no
[02:30] <Emess> mmm, suddenly my windows partition cant be read, any ideas? konqueror says "Could not enter folder /media/sda1"
[02:30] <redtricycle> What did you try so far?
[02:30] <leandir> once it happened because somewhere I had redefined the win partition
[02:31] <seishinbyou> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda# /media/sda1 (where # is the # of your Win part)
[02:31] <leandir> ah wait Emess
[02:31] <seishinbyou> or something like that
[02:31] <leandir> did you close windows properly?
[02:31] <Emess> i havent used windows in months, not since i got photoshop to rn in wine
[02:31] <leandir> 'cause you will not be able to mount it if you had closed it umproperly
[02:32] <Emess> it jsut stopped, i also noticed that ksessionmanager wa crashing whenn im in  and xgl session
[02:32] <willreed03> filezilla is for windows
[02:32] <leandir> not only
[02:32] <leandir> and in any case
[02:32] <leandir> wine functions pretty well
[02:32] <leandir> (the beta 3 is for linux too :) )
[02:32] <willreed03> alright
[02:32] <astronaute> please guys, is it possible to install frozen-bubble 2.0 on kubuntu edgy 64 ????
[02:32] <leandir> no idea for amarok?
[02:32] <willreed03> dammit i have to go work
[02:32] <willreed03> sigh
[02:32] <seishinbyou> There is gftp too for graphical ftp...but it is a bit meh, I guess
[02:33] <leandir> astronaute: I do not even know what it is
[02:33] <leandir> sorry
[02:33] <willreed03> gftp huh
[02:33] <astronaute> leandir:  the game
[02:33] <willreed03> ill give that a try as well
[02:33] <astronaute> small game with multi support
[02:33] <astronaute> http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:33] <leandir> there is version 1 in the repos
[02:33] <astronaute> http://i.iinfo.cz/r/photos/games/frozen_bubble/2.png
[02:34] <leandir> btw, no one knows what to check for amarok/last.fm?
[02:34] <astronaute> leandir:  i know, i need 2.0 for multiplayer, to play with my gf in local network
[02:34] <astronaute> =))
[02:34] <leandir> it really annoys me at the very least
[02:34] <astronaute> i have source
[02:34] <astronaute> but it refuses to compile
[02:34] <leandir> no idea sorry
[02:34] <astronaute> dunno why
[02:34] <astronaute> can you look at pastebin please ?
[02:34] <astronaute> http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:34] <leandir> I do NOT know how to compile
[02:34] <Emess> leandir: i only need it to access some files in amarok
[02:35] <Emess> iv also had a problem with session manager crashing and kaffeine refuses to open, any ideas?
[02:35] <leandir> Emess: what do you mean? I need last.fm as a radio...
[02:35] <Emess> like for kaffeine, the icon bounces and then disappears after a bit without it opening, and kaffeine --verbose does nothing
[02:35] <astronaute> damn kubuntio, there is always some problem to install softs
[02:35] <leandir> kaffeine works
[02:35] <astronaute> on 64
[02:36] <Emess> leandir: oh, i was talking about my system not working right, kaffeine broke :(
[02:36] <leandir> Emess: if nothing functions, wipe away the conf folder in /home and reinstall
[02:36] <leandir> I guess :)
[02:37] <JuJuBee> I upgraded to edgy last night and now when I try to run "sudo users-admin" , I get this error... (users-admin:8094): Liboobs-CRITICAL **: There was an unknown error communicating with the backends: The name org.freedesktop.SystemToolsBackends was not provided by any .service files
[02:37] <redtricycle> haha
[02:37] <redtricycle> "boobs"
[02:37] <redtricycle> sorry
[02:37] <redtricycle> =P
[02:37] <JuJuBee> =P
[02:37] <JuJuBee> right back at ya... :)
[02:37] <redtricycle> yyeaaah
[02:38] <redtricycle> edgy has this weird bug
[02:38] <redtricycle> where it won't let you edit partition tables manually
[02:38] <redtricycle> if you have xp dual boot
[02:38] <redtricycle> or ntfs dual boot
[02:38] <morphish>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ is something i can keep clean, right?
[02:38] <morphish> redtricycle: you mean from installer?
[02:38] <morphish> gui one i mean
[02:40] <JuJuBee> Hmmm, no takers on my "boobs" problem ;)
[02:41] <ToyMan> hmm. is there a way to change the default language after installation?
[02:41] <morphish> i have no idea what users-admin is, so i can only offer to use adduser or useradd
[02:41] <ToyMan> I have a spanish-speaking customer, and don't speak spanish
[02:42] <JuJuBee> morphish : it is the gui users and groups administrator  from system settings...
[02:42] <redtricycle> Yes, morphish
[02:42] <redtricycle> from installer
[02:42] <redtricycle> but you can install if you wipe the whole harddrive
[02:42] <redtricycle> I haven't seen any fixes for it, so I'll just bear with it until fiesty comes out..
[02:42] <redtricycle> unless they dont fix it again
[02:42] <morphish> redtricycle: i had to use alternate CD to even install on a logical partition for /
[02:42] <redtricycle> Ahh
[02:42] <redtricycle> is that what you did?
[02:42] <morphish> redtricycle: use the text cd and enjoy edgy ;)
[02:42] <redtricycle> I'm in edgy, but I had to wipe
[02:43] <redtricycle> that's good to know, thanks
[02:43] <redtricycle> I was about to switch back to slackware
[02:43] <redtricycle> -_-
[02:43] <Eightball-DH> Sup guys.
[02:43] <redtricycle> my first distro was slack, and that was like...
[02:43] <Eightball-DH> I'm having some problems
[02:43] <redtricycle> jeez, five years ago?
[02:44] <redtricycle> it turned me off to linux
[02:44] <redtricycle> kubuntu got me back in
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Eightball-DH: ask
[02:44] <Eightball-DH> I have a windows partition and a blank partition for kubuntu
[02:45] <morphish> redtricycle: slackware seems to have that effect, i tried SuSE next, which worked fine, then took a tumble over redhat, dev'ed for gentoo, dev'ing for smgl, and use kubuntu now on an alternate box, it's nice
[02:45] <Eightball-DH> But when I put the kubuntu disc in it doesn't work.
[02:45] <Eightball-DH> It hangs on "booting the kernal"
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> Eightball-DH: did you do a checksum?
[02:45] <sync350> hey how do i set up a mic?
[02:45] <leandir> noone knows for amarok?
[02:45] <leandir> and last.fm
[02:46] <Eightball-DH> Hmmmmm...
[02:46] <morphish> Eightball-DH: it did that too me, i added noapic to kernel commandline (although from where it hung i was expecting that option to not have an effectyet)
[02:46] <Eightball-DH> No, I haven't tried to checksum the iso...
[02:46] <Eightball-DH> What's "noapic"?
[02:46] <xsacha> could have been bad burn?
[02:47] <redtricycle> amarok isn't showing my chinese id3 tags
[02:47] <Eightball-DH> I did burn like four different disks, at least one of which was the utility or non-standard iso
[02:47] <redtricycle> anyway to have it read different encodings?
[02:47] <morphish> Eightball-DH: if the checksum is ok, try noapic on kernel commandline, turns off apic, since some boxes don't like it, had to remaster an install ISO for a user who couldn;t boot anything, till i added it for him (odly my syslinux is refusing adding of options :/
[02:48] <paulw> leandir: have you checked on #amarok?
[02:48] <redtricycle> which server, paulw?
[02:48] <xsacha> i think that channel is dead
[02:48] <redtricycle> nevermind
[02:48] <redtricycle> =/
[02:48] <redtricycle> take out the question mark, sacha
[02:48] <xsacha> i know
[02:48] <astronaute> Can someone tell me is it is possible to install 32bits programs on kubuntu edgy 64 ???? (on gentoo64 its done easy with emulation)
[02:48] <Emess> still cant open my sda, could it be a dbus problem?
[02:48] <leandir> paulw: no thanks :)
[02:48] <xsacha> last time i went to it anyway
[02:49] <leandir> good day
[02:49] <xsacha> yes astronaute, use linux32
[02:49] <sync350> anyone got any info about seting up a mic?
[02:49] <paulw> np
[02:50] <astronaute> xsacha: eh how to use it please ? where to get it, (nothing in apt-get)
[02:50] <xsacha> yes, it's in apt-get
[02:50] <xsacha> !linux32 | astronaute
[02:50] <ubotu> linux32: Wrapper to set the execution domain. In component main, is extra. Version 1-3 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 56 kB
[02:51] <xsacha> you'll need the libs as well, but i think adept installs those as dependant for you
[02:51] <astronaute> xsacha:  sorry my adept was slow, right its there
[02:51] <z3cka> what is the best way to fix a broken kubuntu updrade from Dapper to Edgy?
[02:52] <seishinbyou> when my upgrade failed, I backed up all important data and did a clean install
[02:52] <z3cka> hmmm... i'm unfortunatly not that smart
[02:53] <seishinbyou> It's not that difficult a process; first backup any data you were working on, then boot off the Kubuntu Edgy CD and do a fresh install
[02:53] <seishinbyou> I had the OS and my development environment up and running in an hour
[02:53] <astronaute> xsacha:  is this correct please ? error :/ http://pastebin.ca/233640
[02:54] <z3cka> yes i have gigs and gigs of stuff stuck with a broken boot sequence
[02:54] <xsacha> errm astronaute, it's in adept...
[02:54] <astronaute> xsacha:  not 2.0
[02:55] <xsacha> oh
[02:55] <z3cka> i followed the directions to "Upgrading from 6.06 LTS" at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[02:55] <astronaute> xsacha:  multiplayer support =)
[02:55] <astronaute> best game ever, so my gf want to play with me in local network =)
[02:55] <xsacha> when installing, you don't use linux32 make :P just make it like normal but make sure you have the 32-bit libraries in lib32
[02:55] <Eightball-DH> Could someone recommend a good checksum program?
[02:56] <astronaute> xsacha:  normal make : http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:56] <astronaute> i think im missing something
[02:56] <xsacha> the 32-bit libraries
[02:56] <astronaute> duinno how to emulate this stuff, is there any tutorial please ?
[02:56] <morphish> astronaute: to use 32bit apps in a 64bit system, either find the 32bit (s)chroot guide on the forums, or if you are feeling comfortable adding something to /etc/ld.so.conf just unpack a tarball full of 32bit libs and point your ld.so.sonf there
[02:56] <z3cka> by changing all the instances of "dapper" to "edgy" in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:57] <morphish> astronaute: that tarball would preferable go under /opt for easy cleanup
[02:57] <astronaute> morphish: yes i understand, where to get it that tarball ? =)
[02:57] <xsacha> it's pretty easy to just stick the 32-bit libraries in lib32 -- it's all setup to work that way
[02:57] <z3cka> now it will not boot past the screen refreash of the slpash screen
[02:57] <morphish> astronaute: sec
[02:58] <astronaute> xsacha:  same question, where to get them ?
[02:58] <astronaute> i will need 32b support for quake3, teamspeak client
[02:58] <xsacha> should have been a package you downloaded in adept.. i thought it was a dependancy
[02:58] <astronaute> so im open to all
[02:59] <astronaute> xsacha:  no, it is standalone game source i have
[02:59] <xsacha> no astronaute, the 32-bit libraries..
[02:59] <xsacha> you should have: ia32-libs*
[02:59] <xsacha> there is ia32-libs-sdl in there
[03:00] <meatwad64> is lame not in the?e apt repositories anymor
[03:00] <meatwad64> oops
[03:00] <meatwad64> i can't find any binaries for lame in the apt repo
[03:00] <astronaute> is it safe to take all ia32-libs* ??
[03:00] <xsacha> yes
[03:01] <xsacha> but you probably only need main one and sdl one
[03:02] <felixjet> whats the Kmix control for "what you heard"
[03:03] <felixjet> i need to record audio from streaming but the KRec points to in line, and i need "what you heard"
[03:03] <felixjet> anyone know?
[03:03] <astronaute> xsacha:  done
[03:03] <xsacha> ok try compile now
[03:04] <paulw> Eightball-DH: what are you using to burn your iso?  k3b will auto checksum.
[03:04] <xsacha> he used windows -- pretty sure :)
[03:04] <Eightball-DH> I was using DeepBurner.  In windows.
[03:04] <Eightball-DH> :(
[03:04] <manchicken> Anybody know how to restore kabc from backup?
[03:05] <paulw> Oh, no idea for windows
[03:05] <Eightball-DH> I might have found a solution though.  Thanks.
[03:06] <astronaute> xsacha:  i have same error
[03:06] <astronaute> normal ?
[03:06] <xsacha> no, maybe your library directory is pointing to wrong one
[03:07] <manchicken> Sweet.  That wasy easy
[03:07] <firegirl> does anyone know how to work with gstramers?
[03:07] <firegirl> streamers*
[03:08] <firegirl> gstreamers**
[03:08] <tk_> hello
[03:11] <tk_> I have a question about swat : i have installed the package und have tryt to connect to swat http daemon with http://localhost:901 but i become a timeout how can  i start the swat daemon if they are stopped ?
[03:12] <win_x_prts> tk_, you dont want to use swat
[03:12] <TIger_IT> How can i enable udma7 mode? please........Ive tried in several ways!
[03:12] <tk_> why ?
[03:14] <win_x_prts> password travels clear text on the wire
[03:14] <win_x_prts> or wireless
[03:15] <tk_> its only localhost
[03:15] <win_x_prts> anyway the info you need is on the samba how to collection at http://samba.org documentation section
[03:16] <win_x_prts> why not use text editor?
[03:19] <ironfroggy> do aim:, icq:, etc protocols work?
[03:21] <tk_> i am despaired to config samba with the editor , the result is that i can see the shares on Win machines but cannt connect ... i have use a basic basic configuration ...but it wont be working
[03:23] <win_x_prts> swat info at http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html  you can always ask for help in #samba
[03:23] <win_x_prts> :)
[03:28] <manchicken> How do you make the size of an external task bar independent from the panel itself?
[03:30] <lters_> any tips on using irda
[03:30] <lters_> !irda
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <meatwad64> hello?
[03:34] <beemer> hey all - anyone know how to get a nforce chipset working in edgy?  If I do an lspci, i get several "unknown" items all related to nforce
[03:34] <beemer> heya meatwad
[03:34] <meatwad64> i think my laptop is nforce 3
[03:34] <meatwad64> what do people here use for cd ripping?
[03:35] <beemer> one sec meat, i'll get you a link for that
[03:35] <ToyMan> so does the disk partition tool work in the edgy install now?
[03:35] <ToyMan> I'm trying to do a dual boot system, but I've been reading about fatal bugs in the disk partioner in edgy
[03:36] <meatwad64> ToyMan: i guess i was lucky i had it re-partition my windows disk
[03:36] <beemer> meatwad - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183125hp?t=25151
[03:36] <ashridah> hey. anyone know where i can get updated kopete packages for edgy? ICQ's kinda broken in kopete's current version.
[03:36] <ToyMan> meatwad64: and it worked fine?
[03:36] <m4jqp> has anyone ever had the problem that when you install the nvidia beta drivers you can't see text?
[03:36] <meatwad64> thanks man i forgot about grip
[03:36] <beemer> yeah - i've had no issue with it meat
[03:36] <ToyMan> the post about it being a problem was from Sept.
[03:37] <meatwad64> ToyMan: for me it did windows still boots fine
[03:37] <ToyMan> great
[03:37] <ToyMan> ty
[03:37] <beemer> meat - on the nforce - i have a nforce4 chipset - did you have to do anything special to get your nf3 going in (k)ubuntu?
[03:39] <fabian__> Hello!
[03:39] <tk_> ok many thx
[03:39] <tk_> i have found a solution
[03:39] <beemer> howdy fabian
[03:39] <fabian__> never been here before
[03:39] <fabian__> Hello beemer
[03:39] <beemer> for what tk?
[03:39] <beemer> doh
[03:39] <meatwad64> beemer: not for me wireless was flaky at first but thats not an nforce problem
[03:40] <meatwad64> video worked good out of the box i heard about a lot of X issues but i didn't have any
[03:40] <fabian__> btw I am new to linux...using kubuntu..looks great so far
[03:40] <bomber> a few times now  when i start up the computer my network isnt working.... I tried running dhcpclient and dhcpclient2 and didnt have any luck either... i ended up rebootin both times...
[03:40] <fabian__> I havent been able to get tge wireless to connect to my wireless
[03:40] <bomber> any other ideas i can try the next time it happens to save me from rebboting a 2nd time
[03:40] <beemer> meat - i had no problem getting my video going, but I think my hd/dvd is a bit slow and I can't get any sound :(
[03:41] <beemer> fabian - what kind of wireless nic do you have?
[03:41] <hari> hello everbody
[03:41] <beemer> heya hari
[03:41] <hari> i have a question :)
[03:42] <fabian__> Intel bg  2200...I think thats the rigth reference
[03:42] <hari> In windows i can regain disk space by cleaning temporary internet files as well as the "temp" folder. How can I do the same thing in kubuntu?
[03:42] <foobark> hari: you could check the /tmp dir
[03:42] <foobark> :)
[03:42] <bomber> what browser do you use
[03:42] <meatwad64> well sound i don't have a problem with
[03:42] <VanessaE> evening folks
[03:43] <meatwad64> hd/dvd could be a hdparm issue
[03:43] <meatwad64> maybe dma isn't enabled for some reason
[03:43] <bomber> go to the preferences and you can also delete all temp internet fiels as well as cookies and stuff
[03:43] <hari> ok i did that but thats not taking up much space :(
[03:43] <beemer> hari - if you do a df -h, you can see a list of what's where on your system as far as space.  Go to the largest path it shows and run a du -sh * and that will list space usage by path, then just drill down using that command and find stuff you can kill off (that's not system related :)
[03:43] <fabian__> I will be back in 10...I am off to reboot
[03:43] <fabian__> l8er
[03:44] <beemer> meat - forgot about hdparm
[03:44] <beemer> :)
[03:45] <hari> ok but when we download files for installation using apt they are downloaded to our disk before installation right? if so are they automatically removed after the installatyion?
[03:45] <foobark> those are in /var/cache/apt/ I think
[03:45] <hari> ok foobark so can i remove them?
[03:46] <foobark> well - the nice way is apt-get clean
[03:46] <foobark> I'm sure there is an aptitude equivalent
[03:46] <foobark> apt-get --help will give you some options
[03:46] <foobark> there's an autoclean too that just does older ones I think
[03:46] <hari> ok i will try that by the way i found a folder thats abpout 1GB under /var/cache/apt/. hmmm
[03:46] <hari> ok
[03:47] <foobark> or you could just do a: find /var/cache/apt/archives -ctime +30 -exec rm {} \;
[03:47] <hari> what does that do?
[03:47] <beemer> meat : dma is off, and I can't turn it on - It's got to be the unknown stuff for the nforce chipset :(
[03:47] <foobark> deletes any files over thirty days old (it'll try anyt directories too but rm'll fail on those)
[03:48] <meatwad64> hmm
[03:48] <foobark> stick with apt-get or aptitude clean
[03:48] <meatwad64> what does it say when you try to?
[03:48] <hari> ok let me try with apt options first :(
[03:48] <beemer> I have stuff like this in lspci output: 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 03eb (rev a2)
[03:48] <hari> ok
[03:48] <meatwad64> i forget what smbus is
[03:48] <foobark> definitely - my first answer as a warm up... I need to water down my first couple ideas :)
[03:48] <NickGarvey> nothing like a good apt-get clean..
[03:48] <beemer> meat : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted (and yeah i used sudo :)
[03:49] <meatwad64> hmm what if you set it on boot?
[03:49] <beemer> hadn't tried that yet - i doubt that it will tho if a manual switch won't take
[03:49] <blueyed> beemer: there's no DMA on SATA, what you're probably using.
[03:50] <meatwad64> yea
[03:50] <blueyed> beemer: I have an nForce4 chipset here..
[03:51] <beemer> blue - cool - you have any issue getting it to work?
[03:51] <hari> apt-get clean says
[03:51] <hari> E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:51] <blueyed> beemer: the nforce4? no.. everything works here, even hibernate.. (with a config switch)
[03:51] <meatwad64> well i'm sure the dvd is pata though
[03:52] <beemer> blue/meat - i have edgy loaded and running - dapper live cd bombed out tho
[03:52] <hari> what could be the problem?
[03:52] <meatwad64> dapper live cd didn't work at all?
[03:52] <foobark> hari: you have to wear big pants
[03:52] <beemer> nope - bombed when it tried to load
[03:52] <foobark> try:  sudo apt-get clean
[03:52] <manchicken> Anybody know a good spot for 1440x900 wallpapers?
[03:52] <morphish> hari: try as root
[03:52] <meatwad64> does anyone know how to turn off the thing on the touchpad that clicks in the top right?
[03:52] <hari> ok :)
[03:52] <beemer> mb manual says the chipset is a mcp61v
[03:53] <foobark> I'm way more casual with putting on the big boy pants then most people
[03:53] <meatwad64> everytime i type i hit it and it messes up what i'm typing very annoying
[03:53] <meatwad64> who makes it?
[03:53] <beemer> biostar
[03:53] <hari> :0
[03:53] <beemer> it's a nf61v mb
[03:53] <hari> yes it's done :)
[03:54] <meatwad64> but for smbus i'm sure thats normal i've had missing drivers on windows for that and it was fine
[03:54] <beemer> hari - do another df -h to check space now
[03:54] <hari> ok
[03:54] <beemer> well i have that same type line for other parts too
[03:54] <meatwad64> oh
[03:54] <fabian__> Hello, I am back
[03:54] <meatwad64> let me look at my lspci
[03:55] <meatwad64> 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation nForce3 SMBus (rev a4)
[03:55] <hari> Usage went from 69% to 50% :)
[03:55] <beemer> 13 unknowns in my list - only thing it knows for sure is the cpu, wireless, and nv gf7600 card
[03:55] <foobark> hari: another good way to track down disk usage is to do a  du -h --summarize /*
[03:55] <hari> ok let me try that too :)
[03:56] <foobark> that'll traverse the file system and tell you the disk usage for each sub dir
[03:56] <hari> yes
[03:56] <beemer> btw - are the kubuntu forums down?
[03:56] <hari> but it takes time though
[03:57] <hari> hmmm
[03:57] <foobark> oh - it'll take some time
[03:58] <meatwad64> i'm not sure beemer
[03:58] <fabian__> can someone give me a hint on how to install fluxbox on my kububtu?
[03:58] <letalis> if i am upgrading amd64 dapper to edgy was there something extra that i needed to do to upgrade it to the 64 bit version?
[03:58] <hari> i just upgraded kubuntu from 6.06 to 6.10 and found that my disk space went low thats why i tought maybe some good people from this chat could help me :)
[03:59] <letalis> it looks like it downloaded the standard kernel
[03:59] <hari> and they did, thankyou foobark and beemer :)
[03:59] <fabian__> nx99va
[04:01] <tom_> Hi! Does anyone know what is needed to play .nsv files with Totem?
[04:02] <foobark> hari: np
[04:02] <hari> I must now indulge myself deep into kubuntu :) Thankyou for helping me and maybe I will be back soon with more questions ;)
[04:02] <seishinbyou> How dangerous is apt-get autoremove
[04:03] <hari> thankyou everybody, bye for now :)
[04:03] <foobark> fabian__:  I think I saw a digg about flux on ubu a while ago
[04:03] <seishinbyou> fubuntu?
[04:03] <meatwad64> it really shouldn't be this hard to rip cds to mp3...had to go through hoops for this
[04:04] <fabian__> I guess I was not here foobark
[04:04] <tom_> Anyone using Totem or VLC for Shoutcast TV?
[04:05] <foobark> fabian__: doesn't look like they roll it into the repositories
[04:05] <foobark> but here's a step by step for rolling your own: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116759
[04:05] <fabian__> cheking it
[04:05] <foobark> once I get my second monitor up and running I might look to replace kdm
[04:06] <duane> grrrrrrrrr
[04:06] <duane> i keep getting thsi stupid error
[04:06] <foobark> anyone have any experiecen with putting ina second vid card ?
[04:06] <duane> sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[04:06] <duane> Password:
[04:06] <duane> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:06] <duane> what the hell is the probably
[04:06] <duane> problem?
[04:06] <duane> adept wont start either
[04:06] <duane> keeps telling me that there's another app that's trying to use apt
[04:06] <foobark> duane:  one of the installation scripts was interrupted (or couldn't continue)
[04:06] <duane> but i dont have any other apt running
[04:06] <foobark> maybe try and apt-get -f install
[04:07] <duane> same thing
[04:07] <duane> how do I close the installation script that was interrupted?
[04:07] <foobark> deep breath - that was just a guess   :)
[04:07] <duane> i think it is tho
[04:08] <duane> because adept crashes everytime i start up kubuntu
[04:08] <duane> it might be hanging or something
[04:08] <foobark> what happens when you do the --configure -a?
[04:09] <foobark> I seem to remember there was a --pending option or something
[04:09] <foobark> <- dork... okay - a and --pending are the same
[04:09] <duane> yeah
[04:09] <duane> ok
[04:09] <duane> it works now
[04:11] <foobark> that wasn't so hard
[04:11] <foobark> hurray for good error messages
[04:13] <foobark> is there anyone here that has experience with two video card setups?
[04:14] <beemer> anyone know how to get nforce4 chipset working? (i have no sound and no dma for drives and can't turn it on)
[04:14] <foobark> or more specifically; how to get an nvidia 7900gs to breath?
[04:15] <foobark> beemer: the 13 unknowns is tough
[04:15] <foobark> in your lspci or whatever
[04:16] <foobark> my shotgun method of testing kernel driver support is trying to boot the knoppix dvd
[04:17] <foobark> if that doesn't work then I hit the bricks of google town and hope someone else has my problems
[04:28] <dalbirdy> trying to make vmware work this is the error i get? any help
[04:28] <dalbirdy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29830/
[04:28] <foobark> ha - I just finished installing vmware... irc rocks
[04:29] <dalbirdy> i had it installed under dapper....but when i upgraded to edgy.....problems start
[04:29] <foobark> so - the problem here is that you have to open up the socket to your x server
[04:29] <dalbirdy> how?
[04:29] <foobark> I wish I remembered - I only run into when I go to run a vnc server on a box or something
[04:30] <foobark> let me go look
[04:30] <dalbirdy> ok
[04:32] <intelikey> "clear" -----------/\/-------------------------
[04:32] <intelikey> ------------------------ "doctor give it up. this channel is dead."
[04:33] <m4jqp> does xorg 7.1 work in ubuntu?
[04:33] <intelikey> is ubuntu linux ?
[04:34] <aseigo> m4jqp: 7.1.1 comes with edgy so .. i'd say so
[04:34] <foobark> dalbirdy: go goole your error message and add "vnc"
[04:35] <dalbirdy> ok
[04:35] <foobark> http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq-xperms
[04:35] <foobark> that may be the issue...
[04:35] <SeanTater> !ubuntu| intelikey
[04:35] <ubotu> intelikey: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[04:36] <intelikey> !botsnack
[04:36] <ubotu> Yum!
[04:36] <foobark> !draw
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about draw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <foobark> oh sweet... nice bot
[04:36] <SeanTater> !lart foobark
[04:37] <SeanTater> oops
[04:37] <SeanTater> @lart foobark
[04:37] <SeanTater> eh -- works in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:37] <intelikey> !offtopic
[04:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:38] <SeanTater> !ubuntu-offtopic
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-offtopic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <foobark> lart? readjustment tool?
[04:38] <SeanTater> :S
[04:38] <SeanTater> foobark: Lusers Attitude Readjustment Tool
[04:39] <foobark> I see... my reverse acronymer is rusty
[04:39] <m4jqp> is edgy > dapper?
[04:39] <SeanTater> !edgy | m4jqp
[04:39] <ubotu> m4jqp: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:39] <intelikey> no but  edgy != dapper either
[04:40] <intelikey> !lts
[04:40] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[04:40] <SeanTater> m4jqp: edgy is newer than dapper but less stable
[04:40] <shadowhywind> how can i see if a partition is in readonly mode or not?
[04:40] <SeanTater> m4jqp: dapper is LTS
[04:40] <m4jqp> lol
[04:40] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: try writing to it, or read /etc/fstab
[04:40] <foobark> touch it
[04:41] <foobark> :)
[04:41] <intelikey> shadowhywind mount
[04:41] <intelikey> or cat /etc/mtab
[04:41] <shadowhywind> fstab says its rw, but for some odd reason, i can't add any files or anything to it
[04:41] <foobark> this may sound a little gay... but do a man touch
[04:41] <foobark> not that there's anything wrong with that.
[04:42] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: df may give an indication as to how full it is
[04:42] <shadowhywind> i still have 17 gbs free on it
[04:42] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: sounds like plenty
[04:42] <intelikey> fstab doesn't know how it "is" mounted only how it's supposed to be mounted.    mount or cat /etc/mtab  knows how it is mounted.
[04:42] <shadowhywind> i just unmounted and mounted it and its fine
[04:42] <intelikey> or cat /proc/mounts
[04:42] <shadowhywind> i wonder why it mounted it as rw
[04:42] <shadowhywind> as read only i mean
[04:42] <foobark> I like prov/mounts better
[04:43] <foobark> what's the symptom? what happens when you try and touch a file on that partition?
[04:43] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: ext3?
[04:43] <shadowhywind> fat32
[04:43] <shadowhywind> i think i found the problem
[04:43] <intelikey> foobark but that's highly kernel dependant  mtab isn't
[04:44] <dalbirdy> cant seem to find the problem
[04:44] <shadowhywind> [17180062.376000]  FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda5) [17180062.376000]      clusters badly computed (131072 != 0) [17180062.376000]      File system has been set read-only
[04:45] <intelikey> umount it and fsck it
[04:45] <foobark> understood
[04:45] <shadowhywind> is there a flag i have to give to fsck to fix the errors if any?
[04:46] <intelikey> man fsck.vfat
[04:47] <intelikey> i would probably try -af   but that's just me.
[04:47] <shadowhywind> well fsck <drive> didn't really find anything, going to try af
[04:54] <dalbirdy> foobark still no luck finding the solution....with my error
[04:55] <foobark> dalbirdy: yeah... I had stopped looking. Any time I've seen that error it was because either I didn't have a DISPLAY env set for the shell I was in
[04:55] <foobark> or I didn't allow anyone other then the use who is logged into the gui send it info
[04:56] <foobark> (uhg... horrible typing. suffering rsi pains... I'll try again).
[04:56] <foobark> If I log into the GUI as foobark... then you have to tell X to allow other users permission to send to your display
[04:56] <foobark> I thought it was an xauth command or something
[04:57] <dalbirdy> i just need a fix...my wife will kill me if i cant get her stupid windows going
[04:58] <intelikey> i whish is could turn the backlight down on this 17" crt   background 0  is more like dark gray
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> dalbirdy: whats the problem
[04:58] <Erich-K> How can I update amarok?
[04:58] <intelikey> dalbirdy i'd opt for death....
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> ah vmware
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't help
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Erich-K: look on amarok.kde.org
[04:59] <Jucato> Erich-K: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[04:59] <foobark> ahh
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Erich-K: scratch that kubuntu.org http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.4.php
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> follow the link
[04:59] <foobark> dalbirdy:  try going to the gui and typing xhost +
[04:59] <Erich-K> Jucato: Dapper
[04:59] <dalbirdy> I upgraded to edgy and now vmware will not work
[04:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: not on Dapper, unfortunately
[05:00] <foobark> (in a shell of course)
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: the repo should be on that page, let me check
[05:00] <foobark> that's the xserver host access command
[05:00] <felixjet> i cant eject the cdrom
[05:00] <felixjet> u_U
[05:00] <dalbirdy> xhost:  unable to open display ":0.0"
[05:00] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope. only for Edgy
[05:00] <foobark> do you have a display up?
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: really?
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i see that now
[05:01] <foobark> it's trying to paint a window and doesn't have permission to access the xserver
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> oh well 1.4.4 is really lame far as i'm concerned, the music store is awful
[05:01] <dalbirdy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29830/
[05:03] <intelikey> i whish is could turn the backlight down on this 17" crt   background 0  is more like dark gray   i've got the btightness set to 0 and the contrast set to 40  but it still looks like the sun is shining on the back side of the screen and bleeding through...
[05:04] <aseigo> intelikey: have you tried adjusting the gamma?
[05:04] <aseigo> intelikey: via the control panel for that?
[05:04] <intelikey> in the console ?
[05:04] <eSeong> anyone here could get dlink dwl-122 usb to work on ubuntu ?
[05:05] <intelikey> no i havent tried that in this console aseigo
[05:05] <Erich-K> No 1.4.4 amarok packages for dapper?
[05:05] <aseigo> intelikey: there's a gamma correction control panel in kde
[05:05] <Jucato> Erich-K: none yet. I'm not sure if they'll be making one
[05:06] <aseigo> intelikey: really useful
[05:06] <Erich-K> Jucato: alright, thanks anyway
[05:06] <foobark> dalbirdy: are you running a gui?
[05:08] <intelikey> aseigo doesn't seem to be any gamma control on the monitor
[05:08] <eSeong> aww sad, no one could help me on my dlink ?
[05:09] <Jucato> intelikey: KControl  -> Peripherals -> Monitor & Display -> Color & Gamma tab
[05:09] <intelikey> eSeong !i  i'm network illiterate
[05:09] <intelikey> Jucato i don't have a gui running
[05:10] <Jucato> intelikey: ah
[05:10] <Jucato> yeah ...forgot...
[05:10] <eSeong> intelikey : weee i hope u could help me out of this.
[05:11] <intelikey> !network
[05:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:11] <intelikey> no you stupid bot not wireless.
[05:11] <intelikey> !wired
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wired - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <intelikey> fugures.
[05:12] <Jucato> ...
[05:12] <intelikey> figures  that is
[05:12] <eSeong> intelikey : i was currently having error on my dlink dwl-122 ....
[05:12] <eSeong> intelikey : is there any solution for that ?
[05:13] <intelikey> i'm sure there is, eSeong,  but don't ask me what.
[05:13] <foobark> ha... I tried to install a dwl-something a while ago
[05:13] <foobark> had to use a ndis-wrapper
[05:14] <intelikey> that's a thought
[05:14] <eSeong> im using wlan..... something
[05:14] <aseigo> intelikey: no, it's in kcontrol
[05:14] <foobark> it's not a fun thought ...
[05:14] <aseigo> intelikey: it's a software control
[05:14] <eSeong> foobark : what are u doing now, its working ?
[05:14] <intelikey> aseigo it uses xorg   i'm not.
[05:15] <foobark> well... I found it much more palatable to use a wrt54gl to get my linux box on the airwaves
[05:15] <foobark> because I could only get 802.11b and it was slow...
[05:15] <intelikey> aseigo do you know what a tty (console) is ?
[05:15] <eSeong> how u work on 802.11b ?
[05:15] <aseigo> yes. it's a thing those who can't be bothered to run a modern system use.
[05:16] <eSeong> mind elaborate the instruction..
[05:16] <intelikey> aseigo k  that's me.
[05:16] <eSeong> i saw/read many thread in ubuntuforum..
[05:16] <eSeong> but i can't seem get it work.
[05:17] <foobark> well - where are you at now? does it show up when you do a:~$ lspci
[05:20] <intelikey> foobark maybe something more dirrect like      eSeong command lspci      your card is listed ?
[05:21] <foobark>  understood
[05:21] <foobark> it's not really a good path to go down to... unless you're a glutton for pain eSeong you're far better off spending $20 and buying something you know will work
[05:22] <intelikey> or the whole internet may be off line on that side of the world...............
[05:22] <intelikey> "can you help me? i think i crashed the internet"    :)
[05:24] <foobark> "I killed a guy with a trident"
[05:24] <intelikey> nice.   what did he do ?
[05:24] <abattoir> IE's rendering engine? that's not new :P
[05:24] <Jucato> whoa! abattoir!!! :)
[05:24] <abattoir> hey Jucato :)
[05:25] <abattoir> Jucato: how are ya?
[05:25] <[g2] > On Edgy how do I switch to a usb audio device from the built-in hw ?
[05:25] <foobark> the "i think I crashed the internet" made me think of that guy in the Anchorman saying that "he killed a guy"
[05:25] <foobark> it was a total non-sequitor
[05:25] <foobark> that's almost the way to spell in latin per se'
[05:26] <Jucato> abattoir: doing fine, doing fine :)
[05:26] <Jucato> abattoir: and you?
[05:26] <foobark> I came here to look for some help and all I've done is give crappy interjections :)
[05:26] <intelikey> foobark lol   welcome to kubuntu
[05:27] <intelikey> lol
[05:27] <foobark> well thank you very much
[05:27] <foobark> it's a nice little side step from debian servers
[05:27] <abattoir> [g2] : try changing the device in kmix( i think that's how it's done)
[05:27] <abattoir> Jucato: a bit tired, exams coming up
[05:27] <[g2] > abattoir thx I'll give that a shot
[05:28] <Jucato> abattoir: aw.. good luck then! hope to see you hanging around again soon :)
[05:28] <abattoir> Jucato: hopefully, i should be here a bit more often from now onwards
[05:29] <abattoir> [g2] : if that doesn't work, we'll need to modify asound.conf
[05:29] <Jucato> abattoir: yeah you never hang around in *our* channel anymore.. (btw, Riddel's there now...)
[05:29] <abattoir> Jucato: heh, forgot all about it :P
[05:30] <Jucato> abattoir: figures... :(
[05:30] <Jucato> anyway, gotta go.. lunch :P
[05:30] <intelikey> don't ya just love to be forgotten.....
[05:30] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm used to it
[05:30] <abattoir> intelikey: it's sometimes nice ;)
[05:30] <intelikey> ;/
[05:32] <intelikey> i wonder how long a gas well has to be out of production before the leases revert to the land owners.......
[05:32] <intelikey> going to read up on that.  back afterwards
[05:35] <dalbirdy> foobark to fix my problem with vmware not working i had to remove
[05:35] <dalbirdy> libdbus-1-2
[05:35] <dalbirdy> now vmware is working
[05:36] <foobark> awesome
[05:36] <dalbirdy> fo8nd it on this site
[05:36] <foobark> wish I could have been more help
[05:36] <dalbirdy> http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=385999
[05:36] <dalbirdy> if you want to save it for future refernce
[05:37] <Emess> how do i get wine to act as xp, like the look of programs and such
[05:37] <Emess> or even to use my kde and bryl theme
[05:37] <dalbirdy> im off to bed now
[05:37] <dalbirdy> see you guys later
[05:45] <specialbuddy> how do I set it up so that if I plug a portable harddrive, it always mounts to a certain location
[05:46] <[g2] > abattoir thx. There's actually a setting in skype for choosing the adapter
[05:47] <abattoir> [g2] : np :), if you'd sais skype earlier, i'd have redirected you there ;)
[05:47] <abattoir> *said
[05:47] <[g2] > abattoir your karma must have helped alot :)
[05:48] <abattoir> heh
[05:48] <[g2] > well all is working, thx and best regards
[05:48] <abattoir> great :)
[05:50] <mauricio> hi. I have some problems with my kubuntu since I've update it for 6.10
[05:50] <mauricio> could someone help me?
[05:51] <abattoir> mauricio: sure, what problems?
[05:51] <specialbuddy> how can is set up my computer to automount usb devices
[05:51] <abattoir> specialbuddy: edgy?
[05:51] <specialbuddy> yeah
[05:51] <specialbuddy> edgy kubuntu
[05:52] <mauricio> first. After one unsuccessfull hibernate, I cant start a session in KDE.
[05:52] <abattoir> specialbuddy: do you get the kde media daemon? the popup asking you what to do?
[05:52] <specialbuddy> yeah I did but I screwed something up in Disk & Filesystems
[05:53] <abattoir> specialbuddy: if you do, select 'do nothing' and then click 'remember this action', it should then be automounted everytime
[05:53] <specialbuddy> yeah
[05:53] <specialbuddy> I did that but I screwed it up in Disk & filesystems
[05:54] <abattoir> specialbuddy: hmm, i can't get that module to load...
[05:54] <abattoir> specialbuddy: what exactly did you do there?
[05:54] <specialbuddy> I tried to change the mount point
[05:55] <abattoir> mauricio: it was working fine in dapper?
[05:55] <mauricio> abattoir: I never tried hibernate/suspend in dapper.
[05:56] <Emess> is there a way tog et wine apps to use kde or beryl themes?
[05:57] <abattoir> mauricio: sometimes the hardware isn't supported that well by the kernel(for resuming after hibernating/suspending)
[05:57] <abattoir> mauricio: which video card?
[05:58] <mauricio> abattoir: SIS 740. Ok, but what can I do after this? How can I 'delete' old 'session'.
[05:59] <abattoir> mauricio: works fine here in a 760. from what i've heard, X has issues restarting when you resume, so some input stops working for some, some get a blank screen etc. have you tried restarting X ?
[06:00] <abattoir> *so for some, input stops working
[06:00] <mauricio> abattoir: I need explain somethin else. In GDM, after a first try to login, a blank screen appears, and minutes later, XDM appears.
[06:01] <abattoir> mauricio: you're using GDM to login to GNOME or into KDE?
[06:01] <xsacha> anyone know what's wrong with my mic? when i record in KRecord, i have to put volume up to 100% to hear myself.. mic boost i can almost hear myself normally with 100% volume..
[06:02] <mauricio> abattoir: Does not matter. The same problem occurs for GNOME or KDE.
[06:02] <abattoir> mauricio: yes, that's why i was asking, so it's pretty much confirmed that it's an X issue, have you tried restarting X? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ?
[06:02] <xsacha> my speakers are *very loud* too.. anything over 20% for any other sound and you can hear it downstairs
[06:03] <mauricio> abattoir: Yes. If I do that, GDM goes out, and XDM starts.
[06:05] <abattoir> mauricio: so i guess, your h/w isn't supported, unless we can find someone who says it works for them...
[06:05] <abattoir> xsacha: have you tried fiddling around w/ the sliders in kmix?
[06:06] <xsacha> they are all on 100%
[06:06] <abattoir> xsacha: tried unmuting the mic?
[06:06] <xsacha> if it was muted i wouldnt get any sound :P
[06:06] <xsacha> of course it isnt muted :P
[06:06] <abattoir> xsacha: is the green led lit, above the mic?
[06:06] <xsacha> yes
[06:07] <xsacha> any clues?
[06:07] <abattoir> xsacha: nothing other than that :(
[06:07] <abattoir> xsacha: has your mic worked at a better vol. before?
[06:07] <xsacha> problem isnt that im not getting input.. it's getting input it's just extreme low
[06:07] <mauricio> abattoir: Ok. but what can I do now to restore my system to normal operation? Since that, I could not start KDE or GNOME normally
[06:07] <xsacha> yes it works fine @ 20% in windows.. 100% is extremely loud
[06:08] <xsacha> that's 20% input and 20% output volume
[06:08] <abattoir> mauricio: have you tried rebooting?
[06:08] <xsacha> 20% output volume works fine in amarok as well.. im using 100% input and 100% output right now
[06:08] <mauricio> abattoir: perhaps about 10 times.
[06:09] <abattoir> mauricio: so you can't even log into kde ?
[06:09] <shinobi2> i need a calculator to do factorials, any app good for that?
[06:09] <shinobi2> will bc work?
[06:09] <abattoir> shinobi2: speedcrunch
[06:09] <abattoir> !info speedcrunch
[06:09] <ubotu> speedcrunch: high precision calculator. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7~060412-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 190 kB, installed size 592 kB
[06:09] <foobark> mauricio: anything interesting  if you execute the command: tail /var/log/kdm.log
[06:11] <abattoir> shinobi2: oh, wait, it doesn't seem to do factorials, let me confirm...
[06:11] <shinobi2> abattoir: command not found, synaptic shows i have it installed
[06:12] <abattoir> shinobi2: it should be in the menu
[06:12] <abattoir> shinobi2: but i can't see ! anywhere sorry
[06:13] <xsacha> abattoir: it turns out my mic volume doesnt matter.. i had it on 0% and 100% and get same volume.. the Capture volume and the AC97 volume doesnt affect it either -- any ideas? the other ones in input are turned off (aux, linein..)
[06:13] <shinobi2> abattoir: found it
[06:13] <xsacha> when i turn mic off it works too -- same volume
[06:14] <shinobi2> abattoir: k-menu, then utilities
[06:14] <abattoir> xsacha: go to switches, see if the right mic  is selected, if you have multiple mics
[06:14] <xsacha> i just have one mic.. and mic1 is selected.. mic2 doesnt work
[06:14] <xsacha> if i disable "Capture" in input, i get no input
[06:14] <mauricio> abattoir: foobark: I can log into KDE if I wait some minutes. Then the new session is like a 'secondary' session. Only options to close session, None for shutdown or restart.
[06:14] <xsacha> but Capture's volume on 0% is same as 100%
[06:15] <Alphax> Are .jigdo files available for the desktop cds?
[06:15] <shinobi2> abattoir: 9! did not work , is there a special way to input it? or it just doesn't support it?
[06:15] <abattoir> shinobi2: ok, kcalc has it, it was dropped in favour of speedcrunch
[06:15] <abattoir> shinobi2: mmm, i told you it doesnt work in speedcrunch :(
[06:15] <abattoir> shinobi2: it does in kcalc though, so please install that
[06:16] <abattoir> mauricio: did you try what foobark said?
[06:17] <mauricio> abattoir: Yes. /var/log/kdm.log does not exists. /var/log/gdm/:0.log exists. There is only messages about fonts not found.
[06:18] <shinobi2> abattoir: kool, i can verify my factorial function now
[06:20] <mauricio> abattoir: I dont think so. There is more strange facts. /dev/null has mode 0600 and if I try log in by console, bash shows several errors about /dev/null.
[06:20] <xsacha> ok the mic volume is affecting it now.. but it's going from no sound to little sound..
[06:20] <Alphax> So. is a .jigdo file available for the Desktop ISO?
[06:20] <mauricio> abattoir: If I chmode of /dev/null, after a reboot, it is 0600 again.
[06:23] <mauricio> abattoir: I already checked /etc/udev/40-pemrissions.rules, but in this file, /dev/null has mode 0666 (as expected).
[06:28] <T3hWiz0rd> hmm mcan anyone tell me where to check why amarok crashed?
[06:29] <mauricio> abattoir: thanks for your attention. I realy need sleep. If you could, talk about my problem with others. I post my problem in ubuntu forum, Find by 'mkanada'. Is my nick in this forum. Bye.
[06:32] <seishinbyou> Has anyone ever set up a gaiji server on Debian/Ubuntu?  The only such servers I ever see are for Windows
[06:32] <stanley> how dose this work?
[06:32] <abattoir> oops, sorry, had to go afk
[06:34] <seishinbyou> I realize this is probably a .jp problem only... and possibly .zh, but in general terms, is it possible to set up a server such that characters not in a standard character set are displayed with a bitmap?
[06:35] <seishinbyou> Sorry, this is a bit odd of a situation to explain
[06:36] <seishinbyou> There is a graph and explanation (in .jp) here if anyone can help : http://www.dynacw.co.jp/solution/ev/index.html
[06:42] <Emess> si there a way to unmap shift-bckspc to killing x?
[06:43] <starignus> hi
[06:44] <starignus> i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker
[06:44] <starignus> but it is qhen i want to import a new sesion
[06:44] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to get xgl working with kubuntu
[06:46] <starignus>  <specialbuddy> have you install compiz
[06:46] <specialbuddy> I got it work with gnome but not kde
[06:47] <starignus> you have a nvidua
[06:47] <specialbuddy> no
[06:47] <specialbuddy> ati
[06:47] <specialbuddy> I have beryl working with gnome
 have you seen this page maybe there is something http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-205-6.html
[06:50] <starignus> i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker but  when i want to import a new sesion it dismount the cd-r
[06:50] <specialbuddy> do you know how to restore kubuntu back to the way it was when it was first installed
[06:50] <specialbuddy> because messed a few things up already
[06:50] <seishinbyou> you mean other than just reinstalling the OS from the CD?
[06:50] <specialbuddy> try k3b
[06:50] <specialbuddy> yeah
[06:50] <specialbuddy> other then that
[06:51] <seishinbyou> If you wanted to start over anyways, it is probably faster to just reinstall from the CD than to muck about reversing any nasty damage... from mucking about
[06:51] <seishinbyou> I was able to reinstall the OS from scratch and get my development environment up in about an hour
[06:51] <starignus> i have before k3b but i doesnt work
[06:52] <sebastian222> hello
[06:52] <sebastian222> please i need some help installing icons in kde
[06:52] <sebastian222> hello?
[06:53] <starignus>  <specialbuddy> have you aready helped
[06:53] <abattoir> sebastian222: have you downloaded a tar.gz file?
[06:53] <sebastian222> yep
[06:54] <sebastian222> but it says that it's not a valid icon thme file
[06:54] <specialbuddy> have I already helped?
[06:54] <abattoir> sebastian222: which theme is this? are there instructions where you downloaded it from?
[06:54] <sebastian222> i download it from kdelook
[06:54] <sebastian222> no instructions
[06:54] <abattoir> sebastian222: url?
[06:54] <amir> Hi guys
[06:54] <sebastian222> its the osk theme
[06:55] <sebastian222> www.kde-look.com
[06:55] <abattoir> sebastian222: no, the specific url where you downloaded from... not the site
[06:55] <sebastian222> oh
[06:55] <sebastian222> wait
[06:56] <amir> how many people are on this channel?
[06:56] <abattoir> amir: 287
[06:56] <sebastian222> oh
[06:56] <sebastian222> I've found some instructions
[06:56] <amir> goodness
[06:57] <starignus> i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker but  when i want to import a new sesion it dismount the cd-r, does it close the cd,-r? that is why the cd is unmounted
[06:57] <Jucato> not all are *really* here though
[06:57] <amir> I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help answer some questions I have about kubuntu?
[06:57] <sebastian222> abattoir: thanks, im gonna try the instructions
[06:57] <abattoir> amir: sure, ask first though ;)
i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker but  when i want to import a new sesion it dismount the cd-r, does it close the cd,-r? that is why the cd is unmounted
[06:58] <Jucato> starignus: you installed gnome baker on Kubuntu? you might try asking in #ubuntu because it's their app
[06:58] <abattoir> starignus: umm, not sure, do as Jucato says, or try K3B ;)
[06:58] <amir> abattoir, would you recommend kubuntu for someone who is new to linux yet wants to learn?
[06:58] <amir> or another form of linux?
[06:58] <abattoir> amir: sure, why not?
 no i haven try it but i have ubuntu with gonome
[06:59] <Jucato> starignus: ah.. because this is #kubuntu, so most wouldn't probably know how gnome baker works
[06:59] <abattoir> starignus: try asking in #ubuntu , as Jucato said before
[07:00] <abattoir> i guess people on Ubuntu install konversation, seeing it's an IRC client, and the first channel they get to is #kubuntu
 sorry but i dont understand that of  #ubuntu, could you be kind to explain me, thanks
[07:00] <abattoir> starignus: click on #ubuntu , the blue link
[07:00] <Jucato> abattoir: that would be strange. don't they install xchat-gnome by default?
[07:00] <abattoir> starignus: otherwise, type '/join #ubuntu'
[07:01] <Jucato> or they expect users to use GAIM for IRC too?
[07:01] <abattoir> starignus: you should join the Ubuntu support channel where people who know more about Gnomebaker reside
[07:01] <starignus>  <abattoir>ok i saw now
[07:01] <starignus> thak you very much
[07:01] <abattoir> Jucato: don't know if they come w/ an IRC client installed by default :P
[07:02] <abattoir> starignus: you're welcome :)
[07:02] <Jucato> ok that would be weird :)
[07:03] <Endler> I hate the dumbed-down kbuntu konq mod, so I reverted it back to standard via the instructions on kubuntu webpage.  It mostly worked expcept for one thing.  All the view options drop down from a single  button instead of the the standard three buttons.  How do I revert that?  I examined the toolbar config, but it'sn not using standard buttons for that.
[07:03] <abattoir> Jucato: someone on #ubuntu says no ;)
[07:03] <Jucato> abattoir: golly, you're there, too?!
[07:04] <abattoir> Jucato: no, just went there to find out :P
[07:04] <Endler> I am now :))
[07:04] <Jucato> abattoir: lol :)
[07:04] <Endler> I'm back to my original question :)
[07:04] <abattoir> Endler: am looking, one sec
[07:05] <Endler> k
[07:05] <Jucato> Endler: it was a patch that the devs made to combine the 3 buttons into one. I'm not sure how to revert to the original
[07:05] <Endler> Oh.  Why???
[07:05] <Jucato> saves space?
[07:05] <Endler> It is much more convenient the other way.
[07:05] <monur> hi, i am trying to install kubuntu edgy, but when i boot into the cd, it shows a progress indicator for some time, but then falls back into the console. what could be the problem?
[07:06] <amir> what other types of KDE desktops are there other than kubuntu?
[07:06] <Jucato> Endler: if you remember, in Dapper and Breezy, those buttons weren't even there. They decided to bring them back in Edgy, but it took too much space on the toolbar.
[07:06] <Endler> I have plenty of space.
[07:06] <Jucato> Endler: also notice that the back/forward/up/refresh/home buttons and the location field are in one toolbar by default
[07:07] <Endler> I've just put Kubuntu on my notebook.
[07:07] <Ayabara_> after doing a dist upgrade my kubuntu install won't start. when I run in recovery mode, it stops at "Running local boot scripts (etc/rc.local)". help...
[07:07] <abattoir> monur: did you try booting through the 'safe mode'
[07:07] <Endler> The install went very smoothly and I really like apept.
[07:07] <joeshmo> hiya guys
[07:08] <monur> abattoir: yes, unfortunately to the same result
[07:08] <Endler> I'm not a big fan of distro mods to standard programs though.
[07:08] <Endler> other than bug fixes
[07:08] <joeshmo> wait a min, is this the kbuntu section, meaning ubuntu using kde
[07:08] <Ayabara_> bah. never mind my Q. it didn't hang there after all
[07:08] <Jucato> Endler: hm... Gentoo? Slack? Arch? (MEPIS maybe?)
[07:08] <monur> abattoir: I also checked the cd for defects, it said 0 checksum errors
[07:08] <abattoir> monur: could you try startx in the console?
[07:08] <Jucato> joeshmo: in a way, yes
[07:08] <amir> kubuntu is KDE
[07:08] <xsacha> CRUX :)
[07:08] <joeshmo> ah
[07:08] <amir> haha yeah
[07:09] <Jucato> amir: actually, Kubuntu is a Linux distribution. KDE is a desktop environment
[07:09] <abattoir> monur: iirc, it's supposed to say something like 'Verification successful/pased"
[07:09] <joeshmo> is there any one for the gnome environment with ubuntu?
[07:09] <Jucato> joeshmo: #ubuntu
[07:09] <Endler> You mean they Kubuntu makes a lot of modifications to programs UI's?
[07:09] <joeshmo> thank you jucato
[07:09] <Jucato> Endler: konqueror mostly. but not much.
[07:09] <Endler> If so why, because otherwise it is working well for me on the notebook, and I plan on staying with it.
[07:09] <Ayabara_> any advice as to how I can fix a dapper->edgy upgrade that went wrong?
[07:10] <xsacha> anyone know what package i need to compile win32 binaries?
[07:10] <Jucato> Endler: same question back at you: why not?
[07:10] <Alphax> xsacha, mingw
[07:10] <xsacha> k
[07:11] <Endler> Why fix something that's not broken, and why would a distro think it can do it better than the team that works on it full-time?
[07:11] <Alphax> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mingw32.html
[07:11] <Jucato> Endler: each and every distribution have their own goals, their own target users, their own way of doing things. which means that at times, they customize stuff in order to fit those goals
[07:11] <Endler> + it makes it hard to support friends
[07:11] <Alphax> don't know where it is in ubuntu though
[07:11] <Endler> that are not on the exact same distro
[07:11] <Jucato> Endler: the same could be said of every other (major) distro
[07:11] <xsacha> Endler: they arent exactly adding to it, .. they are just moving stuff around to make it suit their distro
[07:11] <monur> abattoir: startx says 'screens found, but none have a usable configuration'
[07:11] <abattoir> !info mingw32
[07:11] <ubotu> mingw32: Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>60117.1-1 (edgy), package size 9779 kB, installed size 43168 kB
[07:12] <abattoir> Alphax: ^^^^
[07:12] <monur> abattoir: is it possibly b/c the computer is a wide screen?
[07:12] <Endler> What exactly were they trying to "fix?"
[07:12] <Jucato> Endler: but if you know KDE enough, you'd be able to help them, no matter what distro they use. of course in some cases (like those View Buttons), there might be some confusion
[07:12] <Alphax> yeah
[07:12] <abattoir> monur: no, that shouldn't be a problem
[07:12] <Jucato> Endler: not reallyu "fixing" but catering/customizing. and sometimes fixing too
[07:12] <Jucato> s/reallyu/really
[07:13] <abattoir> monur: this is the normal mode or the safe mode?
[07:13] <xsacha> that "System Settings" thing
[07:13] <monur> safe mode
[07:13] <Endler> Catering to whom?  I can't imagine what the advantage of the mod is.
[07:13] <Jucato> System Settings is *not* a total KControl replacement. it's supposed to be a lightweight settings app. having only the most used stuff
[07:13] <Endler> If it's just that one thing, I'm OK
[07:13] <abattoir> monur: is this very old/bleeding edge hardware?
[07:14] <Endler> I'm just hoping they didn't mod a lot of other programs.
[07:14] <monur> abattoir: it's a toshiba satellite m65
[07:14] <abattoir> monur: the video card
[07:14] <Jucato> Endler: to "regular" desktop users. (and don't give me that argument about "average" joe. you already know what a-seigo said about that)
[07:15] <Jucato> Endler: unfortunately, that's not what Kubuntu does or what Kubuntu wants to do. You just might feel more comfortable with other distros. For example, MEPIS I think rarely does any UI customization (more of code optimization probably). and they're based on Kubuntu. you might want to check that out
[07:15] <Endler> I don't believe the mod makes it easier.
[07:15] <Jucato> Endler: for you maybe not. for others, maybe
[07:16] <Jucato> anyway, this is quite -offtopic stuff so...
[07:16] <amir> Is there a quick way to go to kubuntu from ubuntu instead of downloading, and burning a new ISO?
[07:16] <Endler> Well I've set the regular one up for a lot of "average joes" and none have complained about too many options.
[07:16] <Endler> on the standard config.
[07:17] <monur> abattoir: it's my friend's laptop. I checked the spec on toshiba web site, it says intel graphics media accelerator 900
[07:17] <Endler> I'm already using Frugalware, BTW which makes no mods expect bug fixes.
[07:17] <abattoir> monur: weird, i'd expect it to work fine..
[07:17] <Jucato> amir: if you have a good internet connection (broadband probably), you can just download the necessary packages to install Ubuntu
[07:17] <Endler> But they upgrade at such a furious pace
[07:18] <Jucato> Endler: I think Arch and Gentoo don't make any mods, because *that* is one of their goals
[07:18] <Endler> it's OK for me, but...
[07:18] <Endler> I want another one to recommend
[07:18] <amir> well I want to go to kubuntu from ubuntu Jucato
[07:18] <seishinbyou> amir-> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:18] <amir> fantastic
[07:18] <amir> thank you
[07:18] <Jucato> seishinbyou: er.. other way around
[07:18] <amir> ?
[07:19] <seishinbyou> Heh, he said from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[07:19] <Jucato> err nvm me
[07:19] <Jucato> yeah I got confused :P
[07:19] <Jucato> sorry amir :)
[07:19] <Endler> So what other mods has kubuntu made that I should be aware off?
[07:19] <Jucato> !hidden | Endler
[07:19] <ubotu> Endler: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[07:19] <amir> Np Jucato, does it switch me over to kubuntu, or will ubuntu still be on my notebook?
[07:20] <Jucato> amir: ubuntu will still be there
[07:20] <amir> how do I choose to run Kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:20] <Alphax> amir, they're the same distro, just with KDE instead of GNOME
[07:20] <Jucato> Endler: you also have to take note that one of the goals of this release (Edgy) is to try out new stuff, new implementations, etc
[07:20] <monur> abattoir: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, the previous error is: I810(0): No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth.
[07:20] <Jucato> Endler: so a lot of the changes here are completely new to Kubuntu
[07:21] <amir> Alphax, yeah I was reading about that, I heard Kubuntu is more like windows so its easier for someone who is new to linux. That's why I want to get kubuntu
[07:21] <Alphax> Hrm. I may have been misled.
[07:21] <Endler> I don't care so much about that.  I always have view hidden on anyway.  I'm more concerned about mods to the applications themselves.
[07:21] <seishinbyou> I like KDE anyways.  However, you can choose to use GNOME or KDE at the login screen if you have both installed
[07:22] <Jucato> Endler: none that I remember or know of. And most mods can be reverted. I just haven't asked about that view button
[07:22] <T3hWiz0rd> who missed me? :-)
[07:23] <Jucato> Endler: come to think of it, how do I add that button? (I forgot...)
[07:23] <Endler> Well let me know if you  find out.  :)
[07:23] <Endler> My notebook is running great, so I'd rather not change it :)
[07:23] <sebastian222> I need some help please. In gnome I have an application that let me copy files, etc as sudo always. Is there a way to do this in KDE?
[07:24] <Jucato> sebastian222: run Konqueror as root: press Alt+F2 and type in "kdesu konqueror"
[07:24] <sebastian222> ohh great!
[07:24] <sebastian222> thx
[07:24] <Endler> What button?
[07:24] <Jucato> sebastian222: but be very very careful and remember to close it immediately after you use it
[07:24] <sebastian222> how to close it?
[07:24] <Jucato> Endler: the view mode button (the one that was combined into 1 button from 3 buttons)
[07:24] <xsacha> click X in corner :P
[07:24] <Jucato> :)
[07:25] <sebastian222> ohhh
[07:25] <Jucato> sebastian222: it's just Konqueror launched as root/sudo
[07:25] <sebastian222> it's a new window
[07:25] <sebastian222> sorry didn't noticed that
[07:25] <Napa> !gaim
[07:25] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:25] <Endler> You just delete a  couple of kubuntu config files that override the default settings.
[07:25] <Jucato> I don't have the kubuntu defaults :)
[07:25] <Endler> It's listed right on the Kubuntu main page, I think.
[07:26] <Endler> It's on the most frequently asked questions list
[07:26] <yonkeltron> is there a safe way to change the default python version?
[07:26] <abattoir> monur: could you try increasing the shared memory size for the video through the BIOS ?
[07:26] <Endler> Some I'm not alone in hating that mod, I guess ;)
[07:26] <Napa> How can I get gaim in Kubuntu?
[07:26] <Ademan> sudo apt-get gaim?
[07:26] <Jucato> Endler: no. I just chose not to because I'm making my own mods
[07:26] <Jucato> Napa: through Adept or apt-get like what Ademan said
[07:27] <Jucato> Napa: have you tried Kopete?
[07:27] <Napa> I found it
[07:27] <Napa> kopete suxx
[07:27] <abattoir> *sudo apt-get install gaim
[07:27] <xsacha> gah, how do i compile a win32 project then? configure doesnt want to work because it doesnt know how to run a .exe
[07:27] <Endler> Well revert it back the the original and mod it from there.
[07:27] <Endler> Any way you like.
[07:27] <amir> What messaging program do you use in kubuntu then?
[07:27] <xsacha> kopete
[07:27] <Ademan> hey the k3d package failed to install (not k3b, this is a 3d modeling program) and it failed on the post-install script, now whenever i try to do anything with apt it first tries to run that stupid post-install script and it keeps failing and blocking me from doing anything else, including removing the offending package, what can i do?
[07:28] <amir> xsacha, is it any good? can I go on AIM, ICQ, IRC on it?
[07:28] <Jucato> Endler: you might want to remove the package "kubuntu-default-settings" but it may mess up a few stuff (wallpapers, color schemes, login screen, splash screen)
[07:28] <Napa> aMsn is Ok
[07:28] <xsacha> yes amir..
[07:28] <Jucato> Endler: but that gets rid of most of Kubuntu's defaults... including service menus...
[07:28] <amir> alright, thank you
[07:28] <xsacha> and jabber and the rest of them
[07:28] <Endler> I use gaim because that's what I started with and it works well, but I'm sure Kopete is great too.
[07:28] <xsacha> i dont like gaim :P and it was first one i used
[07:29] <Jucato> I never liked GAIM, on Linux or on XP... :(
[07:29] <Endler> 2.0beta4 is good.
[07:29] <xsacha> and it doesnt make much sense running gnome apps on kde.. not with 512MB ram anyway
[07:29] <Endler> Kopete won't do chatrooms, will it?
[07:29] <Endler> Like Yahoo chat?
[07:29] <draik> Is there a deb for firefox 2.0?
[07:30] <Endler> That's why I started with gaim.
[07:30] <xsacha> dont know, i dont have a yahoo account
[07:30] <Jucato> Endler: I think it does now. not 100% sure
[07:30] <Jucato> draik: from the repos I think
[07:30] <draik> Jucato!
[07:30] <Endler> I've been planning on trying it.
[07:30] <draik> Jucato, I have tried that already
[07:30] <draik> "latest version"
[07:30] <draik> or maybe in edgy?
[07:30] <draik> I'm still on drake
[07:30] <Jucato> my Firefox 2.0 is weird too... doesn't save sessions...
[07:30] <Jucato> oh yeah... Edgy only
[07:30] <Endler> Well, I've noticed that Kubuntu moded the control center, BUT still left the old one behind too.
[07:31] <monur> abattoir: thanks, we solved it by changing the driver to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:31] <Jucato> Endler: no. System Settings is not KControl
[07:31] <xsacha> system settings is: systemsettings
[07:31] <Jucato> Endler: you can still run KControl or put it in the K Menu
[07:31] <Endler> I know.  I'm fine with that cause I can use either.
[07:31] <abattoir> monur: hmm, i thought the safe mode did just that, anyway, it's good if it works :)
[07:32] <Endler> But I did notice the "Storage Devices" is missing.
[07:32] <Jucato> Endler: you can use the search field to look for it
[07:32] <Endler> Where it gives you a bar graph of your partitions usage.
[07:32] <Jucato> huh? I don't think that's Storage Devices
[07:33] <xsacha> grr they dont have handwriting in kopete yet
[07:33] <Endler> It's not a stand alone app.  It's in control center normally
[07:33] <Endler> Where is it in Kubuntu?
[07:33] <Jucato> Endler: can't find one like that in KControl
[07:33] <Endler> I know? :)  Where'd it go? :)
[07:34] <xsacha> last time i installed KDE from source i never saw any storage devices :S
[07:34] <Jucato> neither did I
[07:34] <Endler> That's a useful  one for a quick visual overview of all partitions usage
[07:34] <Jucato> which distro did you use before Kubuntu? they might have added something like that
[07:34] <Endler> Oh, sorry, I meant it is usually part of KInfoCenter
[07:35] <Ademan> hey the k3d package failed to install (not k3b, this is a 3d modeling program) and it failed on the post-install script, now whenever i try to do anything with apt it first tries to run that stupid post-install script and it keeps failing and blocking me from doing anything else, including removing the offending package, what can i do?
[07:35] <Jucato> then it's in KInfoCenter
[07:35] <xsacha> oh, Partitions..? that's not graphical though
[07:35] <Endler> But it's missing in Kubuntu
[07:35] <Jucato> (I think)
[07:35] <Endler> I know.  Usually there is both
[07:35] <Endler> partitions is still there.
[07:35] <Jucato> I don't ever recall it being there at all
[07:35] <xsacha> it could have been an additional package
[07:35] <Jucato> seriously
[07:35] <draik> How do I install the Firefox 2.0?
[07:36] <xsacha> infocenter looks same as it did from source :S
[07:36] <Endler> Maybe.  I wonder what package that would be.
[07:36] <Jucato> Endler: what distro did you use before Kubuntu?
[07:37] <Endler> I'm using Frugalware on my Desktop and now Kubuntu on my notebook.
[07:37] <Jucato> maybe they added a package for that
[07:37] <Jucato> the only thing I know of that does something similar to that is kdf (kdiskfree) but it's a standalone app iirc
[07:38] <Endler> Frugalware is very nice, but they jump the gun at on Xorg an always want to use the very latest even when drivers aren't ready for it.  That's my only beef.
[07:38] <Jucato> draik: maybe the same way you install firefox from .tar.gz...
[07:38] <draik> Jucato, how?
[07:39] <Jucato> !firefox | draik
[07:39] <ubotu> draik: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:39] <xsacha> isnt firefox 2.0 in repository for you? :S or is this dapper?
[07:39] <Jucato> dapper
[07:41] <xsacha> this is kdf: http://www.gentoo-portage.com/up_img/img_800px/742.png
[07:41] <Emess> Jucato: somehow shift-backspac is killing X, and it sint listed in my hotkeys, any idea how to stop it?
[07:41] <Johnsandman> wanna play khangman for my son got this message >> SSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (373) what is wrong
[07:41] <Endler> Yeah, it looks a lot like that.
[07:41] <xsacha> Emess: xmodmap doesnt work? :S
[07:41] <Jucato> Emess: don't know really... and it won't be in the hotkeys because it's not a KDE config. it's an X config
[07:41] <Endler> But is a kinfocenter module
[07:42] <Emess> no, it jsut opens kate with the file at startup xsacha
[07:42] <xsacha> lol
[07:42] <xsacha> you put it in wrong :S
[07:42] <Emess> i did?
[07:42] <Emess> i pasted exactly what you dsid
[07:42] <xsacha> it shouldnt be opening the file, it runs it
[07:44] <Endler> I must say, Adapt sure works a lot smoother than Suse's Yast.
[07:45] <amir> is anyone else as excited for the Borat movie as I am?
[07:45] <Endler> Yast works like it's covered in molasses.
[07:46] <draik> Thank you Jucato
[07:46] <draik> I will get on that ASAP
[07:46] <draik> night
[07:49] <sebastian222> can someones recommend me a good aplication that works like a cxalendar and all that for kde
[07:49] <sebastian222> i mean an organizer
[07:50] <sebastian222> anyone?
[07:51] <cpk1> an organizer?
[07:51] <nino> dont use that sorry
[07:51] <cpk1> like kontact?
[07:51] <sebastian222> something that let you add to do things
[07:51] <sebastian222> i mean like a calendar
[07:52] <nino> knotes??
[07:52] <sebastian222> something like that
[07:52] <nino> so use knotes
[07:52] <sebastian222> is there anything more complete?
[07:52] <sebastian222> i mean with a calendar view and all that
[07:53] <momal> anyone use squid here? or has used it before? the speed limiting doesn't want to work >_<
[07:53] <nino> mabe check freshmeat.net for something
[07:53] <nino> me me me me
[07:53] <sebastian222> ok i will
[07:54] <nino> i've got squid on ipcop only
[07:54] <jel> sebastian222: korganizer (also in kontact)
[07:54] <momal> nino: have you used the delay access stuff under squid before ?
[07:55] <nino> nope ive got a traffic shaping thingy only
[07:55] <nino> srry
[07:56] <jel> sebastian222: korganizer has a fairly complete to-do list with alarms etc.  I find the alarms a bit unreliable, though, which is its only downside.  KArm integrates with it, and will let you time how long you work on things.  It also presents a simpler to-do list in its own right.   There is also KAlarm, KNotes, basket, and ....uhh... some project management app, which is fairly new and unfinished.  For better project management, look
[07:56] <jel> into Planner.
[07:56] <jel> (Planner is for GNOME)
[08:09] <royce> Whats with all the Joining and Leaving -_-;;
[08:09] <nino> ooi donno
[08:09] <nino> looks like a shit change lloll
[08:09] <nino> shift sorry
[08:12] <amir> Could someone tell me how to get window video codes to play in kubuntu?
[08:16] <osiris> !restricted formats > amir
[08:16] <osiris> amir, follow the link ubotu sent you
[08:23] <nino> anyone using frostwire in kubuntu => no connection!!
[08:29] <osiris> i use it.  works fine.  other than the fact the last time i launched it it hard locked my box.
[08:29] <osiris> =)
[08:29] <nino> it wont connect
[08:29] <osiris> checked all your firewalls ?  are the ports forwarded ?
[08:29] <nino> im running a transparent proxy and there should not be a problem
[08:30] <nino> no no port forwarding
[08:30] <osiris> no idea.  i dont use proxies
[08:30] <nino> should i forward the port on my router?
[08:30] <osiris> yes
[08:30] <freewill> wil there be a torrent download for the cd of edgy or just dvd?
[08:31] <nino> i dont have a clue how, but ill try
[08:31] <osiris> nino, the ports are listed in the preferences of frostwire.  Your router, you have to figure out
[08:32] <nino> l
[08:32] <osiris> its not hard though.  if you know how to log into the router, and what your ip is
[08:32] <nino> k
[08:32] <freewill> is there a torrent download for the cd of edgy?
[08:33] <osiris> no idea
[08:33] <nino> logged into my router!!
[08:33] <nino> will it be under inbound services??
[08:33] <osiris> perhaps.
[08:34] <osiris> i have NO idea what kind of router you have
[08:34] <xsacha> under forward ports, firewall or something similar..
[08:34] <nino> netgear, it asks me what service tcp udp??
[08:34] <osiris> if its a linksys it might be under applications and gaming
[08:35] <osiris> nino, probably tcp, but you can write a rule for each protocol just to be sure
[08:35] <nino> yea
[08:42] <avalon> I'm having problems upgrading to edgy from dapper. I've tried doing the dist-upgrade after changing my sources list and that completely fawked everything up. Now I can't even get my linux to boot. I've got my CD of edgy now though. Can I tell it to install over what I screwed up without losing my home directory and my files?
[08:48] <scheuri> g'day all
[08:53] <nino_> had to bypass my ipcop firewall for a connection to frostwire
[08:57] <seishinbyou> Hmm, apart from waiting patiently, is there any way I can help to get the special function keys/combos working on my laptop?
[08:57] <abattoir> seishinbyou: edgy?
[08:58] <seishinbyou> yes
[08:58] <abattoir> i thought it worked ootb
[08:58] <abattoir> seishinbyou: none of them work?
[08:58] <seishinbyou> For most "normal" PCs, yes
[08:58] <seishinbyou> This is the obscure laptop from J-land, though
[08:58] <seishinbyou> Some of them work
[08:58] <seishinbyou> the ones I really would like don't
[08:59] <seishinbyou> Brightness/Contrast, Eject CD, external monitor display
[08:59] <abattoir> seishinbyou: those work or don't work?
[08:59] <seishinbyou> don't
[08:59] <seishinbyou> oh, volume, too
[09:00] <abattoir> hmm,afaik brightness control is directly relayed to the h/w
[09:00] <abattoir> seishinbyou: which make/model?
[09:01] <seishinbyou> LaVie LN502C
[09:01] <abattoir> or is it something too advanced that hasn't hit the rest of the world
[09:01] <abattoir> oh :P
[09:01] <seishinbyou> Also, widescreen res, but I got that working
[09:01] <seishinbyou> 1280x600
[09:02] <abattoir> you mean 800?
[09:02] <seishinbyou> no, 600
[09:02] <seishinbyou> Same as the libretto L1
[09:02] <abattoir> seishinbyou: maybe setting the keyboard model to "Japanese 106-key" would work?
[09:03] <abattoir> seishinbyou: in Kcontrol->Keyb. Layout->Keyb. model
[09:03] <seishinbyou> I tried already; that is what I am using atm
[09:03] <seishinbyou> since I do work in a JP environment
[09:03] <seishinbyou> I tried setting it to a US layout for fun, but no luck
[09:05] <abattoir> seishinbyou: do the brightness keys work before linux is loaded? or in windows?
[09:05] <seishinbyou> The brightness keys work in Windows, but not anywhere else
[09:05] <seishinbyou> I can use the external monitor switch key in Windows and at the Grub bootloader actually, but not when Kubuntu is loading or is loaded up
[09:07] <seishinbyou> The CD Eject system on this is just bizarre, though.
[09:08] <bianconeri> hi is there a way to install moodbar in amarok via apt-get?
[09:08] <abattoir> bianconeri: nope
[09:09] <abattoir> bianconeri: you'd have to compile w/ the flag on, but i think there were some issues w/ it, hence it's temporarily suspended or something like that
[09:09] <bianconeri> So I should wait on it?
[09:09] <B-Minus> I have difficulties installing certificates in firefox, does anyone get a downloadscreen on this page ? https://citrix.essers.com/Citrix/MetaFrame/default/rootcertificate.html
[09:11] <abattoir> bianconeri: i think so, try asking at #amarok
[09:14] <justin_> Can anybody help me with a problem
[09:14] <justin_> ?
[09:14] <seishinbyou> depends on your problem :)
[09:14] <justin_> Ok
[09:14] <justin_> It has to do with a edgy upgrade
[09:14] <Mike2k6> we can try :-p
[09:14] <justin_> I just up graded
[09:14] <justin_> like 20 minutes ago
[09:14] <seishinbyou> and...
[09:14] <Mike2k6> from? to?
[09:14] <justin_> and now my damn raid wont load
[09:14] <justin_> 6.06
[09:15] <Mike2k6> from drap to edgy
[09:15] <justin_> from dapper to edgy
[09:15] <Mike2k6> hrm
[09:15] <justin_> yes
[09:15] <abattoir> seishinbyou: is it an NEC?
[09:15] <justin_> Umm
[09:15] <justin_> One sec
[09:16] <Electrolyte> Do people who go from 32-bit to 64-bit feel any speed increase?
[09:16] <seishinbyou> abattoir: Yes, but I can't find my model on the JP pages anymore...too old, maybe?
[09:16] <stanley> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:16] <seishinbyou> justin_: is it related to this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/52740
[09:16] <abattoir> seishinbyou: found something on MX LX 60T/7
[09:17] <seishinbyou> abattoir: Well, different model, but if it will help...
[09:17] <abattoir> wow, what complicated names NEC LaVie MX LX60T/7
[09:17] <abattoir> seishinbyou: nothing useful http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~jcl/linux/lavie/nec_lavie.html
[09:18] <justin_> I dont think so
[09:18] <seishinbyou> Meh, but at least I know this isn't the only model with suspend/hibernate issues
[09:18] <justin_> I will type the error message
[09:19] <justin_> this comes up when I attempt to enable it through disk and fs undersystem settings
[09:20] <justin_> The system reported: mount: wronf fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md0
[09:20] <justin_> missing codepage or other error
[09:20] <justin_> (could this be the device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[09:21] <justin_> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[09:21] <justin_> I cannot format this raid
[09:22] <justin_> It is out of the question
[09:22] <justin_> any suggustions
[09:22] <abattoir> seishinbyou: yeah, but that's redhat 7.1, the world has changed a lot since then ;)
[09:22] <eilker> when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, whe i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:23] <seishinbyou> abattoir: Yes, I agree, but I still have issues with hibernate/suspend.  It blows my coworker's mind because hibernate/suspend has always worked on his laptop
[09:24] <justin_> seishinbyou ?
[09:24] <justin_> any ideas
[09:24] <seishinbyou> justin_:  I'm not sure what to say.  I am googling around and find nothing but problems with RAID on edgy : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/68308
[09:24] <seishinbyou> I'm still searching
[09:24] <justin_> ok
[09:24] <justin_> well is there a way to unupgrade
[09:27] <seishinbyou> I don't think there is a nice way to downgrade without breaking more packages along the way
[09:27] <jel> justin_: not en masse, no.  You can download individual packages and install them.  There's probably a way to specify which version you want to install with apt-get install, too.   apt-get install packagename=version, maybe?
[09:27] <justin_> What did you just say?
[09:27] <justin_> I am sorry
[09:28] <justin_> Individual packages?
[09:28] <justin_> I just want my raid to work
[09:28] <jel> justin_: the big problem is, the packages only have information about compatibility with older versions, so they don't know what newer packages have to be removed etc.
[09:28] <justin_> All of my school shit is on it
[09:28] <eilker> help pls, what is this dump xorg for ??when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, whe i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:28] <jel> justin_: what's wrong with your raid?
[09:28] <duane> hey does adept update crash for anyone else on startup?
[09:28] <duane> i get this little green icon in the tray which closes at startup
[09:29] <justin_> It just wont load after I upgraded to edgy from dapper
[09:29] <jel> duane: adept is crap.  Use synaptic (or aptitude)
[09:29] <justin_> It wont mount
[09:29] <justin_> It worked perfectly fine with dapper
[09:29] <duane> jel: i dont believe in not using package managers that come with the distro
[09:29] <jel> justin_: ahh, I think I saw other people discussing that on the ubuntu forums.  You might want to search for it and see what's being said.
[09:29] <justin_> ok
[09:30] <duane> and i like adept better than synaptic :/
[09:30] <jel> duane: it's a different interface to exactly the same package management system; not dangerous at all.
[09:30] <duane> but it's gtk
[09:30] <jel> duane: and, I do agree, with the likes of rpm or smart
[09:30] <justin_> what should I search
[09:30] <jel> duane: I know, it sucks.  But honestly, it's your best option right now.
[09:30] <duane> lol
[09:30] <duane> you're right :(
[09:31] <duane> well no
[09:31] <duane> actually
[09:31] <duane> i haven't used synaptic in awhile
[09:31] <duane> does it have something that catches updates?
[09:31] <duane> i cant remember
[09:31] <duane> it's not adept that is out of wack it's adept updater
[09:31] <jel> justin_:  if you go to slashdot, and search for edgy upgrade, you should find a recent story that links to the discussions.
[09:32] <scheuri> jel: you mean the story which is completely useless? ;)
[09:32] <jel> duane: on gnome, yes.  There is another tool, which emails you when updates are available.  Install synaptic, and use it to find apt utilities :)
[09:33] <duane> yea i just need something that catches updates
[09:33] <duane> i dont need anything else flooding my emails
[09:33] <jel> scheuri: stories aren't useless, they're the conveyors of wisdom though the ages!   But... what's useless about it?  ;)
[09:33] <duane> i like adept updater i dont know why its broken in edgy
[09:34] <duane> ok next problem
[09:34] <scheuri> jel: in my opinion its just another "upgrading" story...which has no valid background at all....people are talking "yes it worked" and "no, it didnt"...but most of them do not provide any details of their cofiguration
[09:35] <Mike2k6> kdevelop does not come with a compiler does it?
[09:35] <duane> why does flash 9 crash my web browsers after about 10 minutes of browsing every time?
[09:35] <scheuri> duane: because flash 9 is beta?
[09:35] <duane> Mike2k6: i THINK installing kdevelop thru a package manager will install gcc
[09:35] <jel> scheuri: agreed.  It does provide a relatively easy to find link to the details of one upgrader's issues though, if I remember correctly, and that mentions the raid problem that justin_ is having.
[09:35] <duane> i cant remember tho
[09:36] <duane> only distro i've used kdevelop on is fedora
[09:36] <duane> and i think fedora comes with gcc
[09:36] <duane> i dont know why ubuntu doesnt ship with gcc and g++
[09:36] <duane> scheuri: i know that but jeez
[09:36] <jel> duane: probably because it's new and has bugs.
[09:36] <scheuri> jel: ah, okay...the raid issue...its actually the only real proven thing...everything else ist just "blabla"
[09:37] <Mike2k6> duane, i dont think it came with gcc, is that gnu cc by chance?
[09:37] <scheuri> duane: it does ship with it...but it is not installed by default
[09:37] <jel> scheuri: yeah, mostly it's people who screwed with their setups and then expected ubuntu to magically upgrade for them.
[09:37] <Mike2k6> guess ill sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:37] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:37] <duane> scheuri: you know what i mean
[09:37] <justin_> So am I just fucked
[09:38] <duane> Mike2k6: cant remember
[09:38] <scheuri> duane: no, sorry...I dont....you said shipped...but if it is asked to much to install it manually, then...I dont knoe
[09:38] <justin_> I read multiple threads and all they consisted of were people complaining about raids being broken
[09:38] <scheuri> *know
[09:38] <jel> scheuri: although, if we had decent config tools, like a section/key/value system for settings, upgrades would be a lot less painful than the package manager not understanding modified config files.
[09:39] <seishinbyou> Well, I don't know if you are completely screwed, but I honestly don't know what to suggest at this exact moment besides keep reading/searching
[09:39] <duane> scheuri: not really, but i still dont see why something that comes standard already installed on most distros isnt on ubuntu
[09:39] <jel> justin_: on the ubuntu site, or slashdot?  People will complain on slashdot, but hopefully answers will appear on the ubuntu forums
[09:39] <duane> especially when most users are nerd programmers anyway :P
[09:39] <justin_> yeah
[09:39] <scheuri> jel: well, I personally would first try to find out how the sources.list of the people looks who had troubles upgrading...:)...maybe lots of other repos? universe causing problems? dont know
[09:39] <scheuri> duane: well, ubuntu AFAIK said its a security issue
[09:40] <jel> scheuri: yeah, possibly :)
[09:40] <duane> a security issue to have gcc installed?
[09:40] <duane> lol
[09:40] <justin_> Ok well one more question
[09:40] <scheuri> duane: you do run servers exposed to the internet, right?
[09:40] <jel> scheuri: raid isn't used for security reasons?!
[09:40] <scheuri> jel: beg your pardon?
[09:40] <jel> scheuri: what's a security issue?
[09:41] <duane> i dunno, it just seems weird to have a distro of which you cant compile things from source after a fresh installations
[09:41] <duane> installation*
[09:41] <duane> that just doesn't seem linuxy to me
[09:41] <jel> duane: you can compile everything on debian from source, if you like
[09:41] <jel> duane: except firmware binaries :)
[09:41] <justin_> if I format my main hdd and reinstall dapper is it possible that my raid would work
[09:41] <scheuri> duane: well, imagin someone is getting access to your server (throug apache, php, openssh, telnet, whatsoever), but has "only" user access...it can't compile malicious software and can't either install gcc to do so
[09:42] <Mike2k6> justin_, if it worked before, then i dont see why not, as long as you know how to configure it
[09:42] <scheuri> jel: I would like to point out that installing gcc by default (on servers) may turn out to be a security issue
[09:42] <justin_> no
[09:42] <justin_> I havent had to do it before
[09:42] <jel> scheuri: ooh, right.  Yeah, it's not as if apt-get install build-essential is hard for someone who plans to use gcc
[09:42] <scheuri> jel: therefore I do not see the harm of not installing it by default but let the "administrator" install it manually and make him therefore aware of that
[09:43] <eilker> help pls, what is this  xorg for ??when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, when i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:43] <scheuri> jel: of course its not hard...but to install anything you need to be root or sudo-user...but when installed, everyone can use gcc
[09:43] <justin_> If I format the drive I have kubutu installed onto and reinstall will It destroy my software raid?
[09:43] <jel> scheuri: no, I really was agreeing with you.  I don't do sarcasm :)
[09:44] <Mike2k6> is kdevelop for c or c++?
[09:44] <duane> [02:42]  <jel> scheuri: ooh, right.  Yeah, it's not as if apt-get install build-essential is hard for someone who plans to use gcc
[09:44] <duane> it's not hard
[09:44] <scheuri> jel: ah, okay...thanks....it sounded quite sarcastic for a second...:)
[09:44] <duane> but it was just weird to me
[09:44] <jel> Mike2k6: c, c++, python, ruby, and others
[09:44] <duane> are there any of distros that dont come with gcc installed?
[09:44] <Mike2k6> jel, well isnt gcc a compiler just for c?
[09:44] <Mike2k6> duane, edgy doesnt.
[09:44] <scheuri> duane: I must admit that I dont know if there are others...
[09:44] <jel> duane: debian :)
[09:45] <scheuri> jel: yes, debian...how could I forget...:)
[09:45] <duane> hrm when i try to do apt-get install build-essential it asks me for the kubuntu cd
[09:46] <duane> too bad i lost it :(
[09:46] <jel> Mike2k6: nope, gcc is a compiler front end, which does c, c++, asm, and a few others.  But kdevelop just uses GCC, it doesn't depend on it for basic functionality, or  it exclusively
[09:46] <scheuri> duane: that is because the first line of your sources.list is still pointing to your CD-ROM
[09:46] <jel> duane: your /etc/apt/sources.list is using the CD sources.  You'll need to remove the cd lines and make it just look on the net for packages
[09:46] <Mike2k6> jel, i guess im going to need to download gcc then, the website im looking at only refers to gcc as a 'c' compiler, not as a multi compiler.
[09:46] <scheuri> duane: if you comment that line out and do a "sudo aptitude update" it will automatically take it from internet
[09:46] <duane> ic
[09:46] <Mike2k6> jel, i got kedevelop installed
[09:47] <jel> Mike2k6: it's wrong :)
[09:47] <jel> Mike2k6: and all you need to do is apt-get install kdevelop build-essential
[09:47] <duane> grr seems like us.archive.ubuntu.com is down
[09:47] <scheuri> duane: really?
[09:47] <jel> Mike2k6: Oh, just build-essential then
[09:47] <duane> scheuri: i cant d/l from it right now
[09:47] <Mike2k6> jel, oh? thanks, im a beginner programmer, im going to teach myself c++ lol, i know al ittle bit of js2e and alot of html so ya.
[09:48] <scheuri> duane: try again...I can ping it now (could not ping it a second ago)
[09:48] <duane> is it just me or does kdevelop suck?
[09:48] <jel> Mike2k6: if you want to try everything that kdevel is capable of, you should look at the packages it recommends, and install those too.
[09:48] <jel> duane: it's just you.
[09:48] <Mike2k6> jel, ok cool, do you use kdevelop?
[09:48] <scheuri> duane: kdevelop sucks? compared to what?
[09:48] <duane> Mike2k6: i would just honestly use kate for now
[09:49] <scheuri> there is also eclipse if you dare...;)
[09:49] <duane> i'm a .NET programmer that uses Visual Studio 2005 at work
[09:49] <fatherfork> any intel mac users in here?
[09:49] <duane> compared to Visual Studio...
[09:49] <duane> kdevelop is ass
[09:49] <jel> duane: that's true; I just use kate.
[09:49] <Mike2k6> duane, already got kdevelop installed, kate is a basic text editor, kdevelop will give me the pretty colors i want
[09:49] <duane> id rather just use kate
[09:49] <jel> duane: a lot of people think VS is ass :)
[09:49] <duane> Mike2k6: kate will too
[09:49] <scheuri> duane: well, I do not shoot anyone who is just stuck to one programm and is not able to get used to another...;)
[09:50] <duane> scheuri: i can get used to another. i find eclipse great for java
[09:50] <Mike2k6> i build comps at my job :-\
[09:50] <duane> kdevelop is just...i dunno i cant explain it
[09:50] <scheuri> Mike2k6: really? I could need one...;)
[09:50] <scheuri> okay, sorry...that is all offtopic now...my bad
[09:51] <Mike2k6> scheuri, haha, ya i build probably around 100, give or take a few a day.
[09:51] <jel> duane: then it's a personal preference, not a fact that will affect others.
[09:51] <duane> jel: so tru
[09:51] <jel> Mike2k6: wow.
[09:51] <duane> that's why i asked "is it me"
[09:51] <Mike2k6> jel, which is more newb friendly?
[09:51] <jel> Mike2k6: that's a lot :)
[09:51] <Mike2k6> jel,  yes it is lol
[09:51] <jel> Mike2k6: I guess you just do one part of it though?
[09:51] <fdoving> scheuri, mike2k6, #kubuntu-offtopic could need some more users :)
[09:52] <scheuri> fdoving: yes, sorry...
[09:52] <duane> Mike2k6: if i were you i would just use kate for now to start learning c++
[09:52] <duane> but that's just me
[09:52] <Mike2k6> jel, nah the whole deal, including labels, coa, drives, proc, heatsink, cables, cards
[09:52] <fdoving> scheuri: don't be, just bring the discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:52] <scheuri> anyone a problem? then brrrriiiinnnggg it ooooooon
[09:52] <scheuri> :)
[09:52] <Mike2k6> jel, i just build them though, no software installation involved.
[09:52] <momal> hmm i just formated a drive into ext3 and it auto used up 3.9gb wth :S
[09:52] <duane> scheuri: adept crashes when kde starts up
[09:52] <duane> fix that for me
[09:53] <duane> adept updater i mean
[09:53] <Mike2k6> jel,  we just plug them into giant racks with network cords in em to download the software.
[09:53] <jel> I see :)
[09:53] <scheuri> duane: what KDE are you using?
[09:53] <jel> Mike2k6: PXE I guess?
[09:53] <Mike2k6> jel, yes sir
[09:53] <duane> scheuri: whichever comes with edgy i forget
[09:53] <xsacha> 3.5.5
[09:53] <Mike2k6> PXE!
[09:53] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:54] <scheuri> duane: ah, sorry..no edgy stuff for me...I give edgy a few month to get stable...*coughs*...I am still on dapper
[09:54] <jel> Mike2k6: sounds very efficient :)   What company is it, can I ask?
[09:54] <Mike2k6> jel, DELL
[09:54] <duane> scheuri: that was a good idea lol
[09:54] <jel> Thought as much :)