[15:01] <ara> jedimike, not sure how many people will show up for the UF meeting :)
[15:02] <victorp> o/
[15:02] <ara> victorp, schwuk, brendand, akgraner?
[15:02] <schwuk> ara: ?
[15:03] <brendand> hi
[15:03] <victorp> ara?
[15:03]  * schwuk only just joined
[15:03] <akgraner> o/ I'm here
[15:03] <ara> schwuk, I was just counting :)
[15:03] <jedimike> o/ here too
[15:03] <ara> OK, let's get started
[15:03] <ara> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 10 15:03:28 2011 UTC.  The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:03] <ara> Today we don't have a fixed agenda, just a Q&A + general discussion
[15:04] <ara> so, if you want to participate, just raise your hand
[15:04] <ara> ..
[15:04] <victorp> o/
[15:04] <victorp> has everyone submitted their systems yet? ..
[15:04]  * ara has submitted hers
[15:05]  * brendand has
[15:05]  * victorp got 4+ stars
[15:05]  * brendand needs blank cd's and a firewire device ;)
[15:06] <ara> jedimike, I have seen that my system still shows vga external monitor result
[15:06] <jedimike> ara: what's the url for your system?
[15:06] <ara> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/11.10/LENOVO/4171CTO/I:D8Wuop:Ek:I8g:CPe:B9ip:EZ0:I8g:BI3:I8g/
[15:06] <victorp> brendand, is blanks CDs not a skipeable core test?
[15:06] <victorp> jedimike, ^^
[15:07] <jedimike> victorp, brendand, yes it is skippable
[15:07] <victorp> brendand, oh you mean for 5 stars
[15:07] <brendand> victorp - exactly
[15:07] <victorp> ara - so small community then ;)
[15:08] <brendand> o/
[15:08] <jedimike> ara: can you raise that as a bug, it shouldn't be in there now
[15:08] <ara> jedimike, mmm, didn't I raise a bug about that before?
[15:09] <ara> jedimike, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly/+bug/868972
[15:09] <ara> you lied!
[15:09] <ara> :D
[15:09] <ara> brendand, go ahead
[15:10] <jedimike> ara: yes and we got it fixed, but this is a different bug. The problem is that the powersaving test is in 'monitor' which is 'vga external video' in UF
[15:10] <brendand> i just wanted to ask how many people are seeing the annoying problem with checkbox hiding when running tests?
[15:10] <brendand> ..
[15:10] <ara> jedimike, OK, I'll raise a bug
[15:10]  * ara sees the annoying bug
[15:12] <victorp> me
[15:12] <victorp> brendand, is it a checkbox issue or unity?
[15:14] <brendand> victorp - i don't think it is a checkbox issue
[15:14] <brendand> victorp - same thing doesn't happen in unity 2-d for example
[15:14] <victorp> so do we know if it affects other tools/dialogs?
[15:14] <victorp> brendand, ah
[15:15] <ara> victorp, but it might be a corner case that appeared because the gtk architecture of checkbox is weird
[15:15] <ara> the main window is a gtkdialog, and the progress dialog is actually a gtkwindow
[15:16] <victorp> yes yes
[15:17] <brendand> i was about to say. yes
[15:17] <brendand> i haven't found an existing bug yet
[15:18] <brendand> we could change the ui to avoid the necessity to repeatedly hide the dialog (e.g. by building the progress bar into the main dialog)
[15:18] <brendand> but no quick fix it seems
[15:19] <ara> akgraner, did you have the opportunity to give submit your system lately?
[15:22] <ara> seems like akgraner is not around
[15:23] <ara> OK, any other comments?
[15:23] <ara> going once
[15:24] <ara> going twice
[15:24] <ara> #endmeeting
[15:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 15:24:51 2011 UTC.
[15:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-10-15.03.moin.txt
[15:25] <ara> OK, thanks all! and tell your friends to submit their systems! :)
[15:25] <akgraner> I'm sorry I lost wifi and had to run cable right quick...:-(
[15:26] <ara> akgraner, no worries, actually I was asking you if you had had the opportunity to submit your system lately
[15:27] <akgraner> ara upgrading now and will be doing that once I get the install completed
[15:27] <ara> akgraner, awesome, let us know how that went
[15:27] <akgraner> will do
[18:59]  * micahg looks for people waiting for the DMB meeting...
[19:00] <Laney> hello
[19:02] <micahg> bdrung, cody-somerville, persia, stgraber meeting?
[19:02] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:04] <micahg> hi geser, here for the meeting?
[19:04] <geser> am I wrong?
[19:04] <Laney> oh so right
[19:04] <micahg> well, at least we have quorom now
[19:04] <Laney> do youw ant to chair? :-)
[19:05] <Laney> at least we have no applicants
[19:05] <micahg> right (which isn't a good thing per se)
[19:06] <cody-somerville> I think it is the first time thats happened in the history of the DMB :P
[19:06] <cody-somerville> However, today is a stat holiday in the US and Canada which might provide a partial explanation.
[19:07]  * micahg will be on next meeting's agenda hopefully
[19:07] <Laney> exciting!
[19:07] <Laney> bah
[19:07] <Laney> #startmeeting
[19:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 10 19:07:40 2011 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[19:07] <Laney> you slackers :P
[19:07]  * micahg hugs laney
[19:08] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:08] <micahg> Laney: I chaired last week :P
[19:08] <Laney> #subtopic Laney to start thread on ubuntu-devel about renaming UCD
[19:08] <Laney> done, did everyone see it?
[19:08] <micahg> yes, I still need to respond
[19:09] <Laney> i think we should let it run until the next meeting and then look before than
[19:09] <Laney> can someone volunteer to prepare a summary?
[19:09] <Laney> and/or proposals
[19:11] <Laney> erm, ok, never mind
[19:11] <Laney> #subtopic jono to ask Daniel to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers to be easier to read
[19:11] <Laney> he did this, the url is at http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/JzyYyxw0Qb
[19:12] <Laney> please edit it at your leisure, at some point i imagine daniel will commit it to the wiki
[19:12] <Laney> #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone
[19:12] <Laney> not done?
[19:12] <cody-somerville> I've started this but haven't had much time to work on it since.
[19:13] <Laney> ok, hopefully next time
[19:13]  * bdrung arrives.
[19:13] <cody-somerville> I'm wondering, is most folks on the DMB going to be at UDS?
[19:13] <Laney> yep
[19:13] <cody-somerville> *are
[19:14] <micahg> well, I'll be there and I assume stgraber will be as well
[19:14] <cody-somerville> I think it would be a good idea to schedule a private meeting for the DMB.
[19:14]  * geser is not at UDS
[19:15]  * bdrung will not at UDS
[19:15] <Laney> haven't seen persia in an age, don't know if he is still around
[19:16] <geser> he is probably busy with other stuff and will reappear in a couple of weeks (like last time)
[19:16] <cody-somerville> geser, bdrung: Would you be able to participate remotely in such a meeting?
[19:16] <bdrung> cody-somerville: depends on the time
[19:17] <Laney> would have to be late I guess
[19:17] <geser> depends on the time (and if I need to get any special tools setup to participate)
[19:17] <Laney> for .euers
[19:17] <bdrung> how late?
[19:17] <bdrung> late is good in most cases
[19:18] <micahg> well, we'll be at UTC-4
[19:18] <Laney> right, well let's work it on on list
[19:18] <Laney> will we have a scheduled meeting then?
[19:18] <Laney> no
[19:18] <Laney> cody-somerville: can you mail marianna and such to get a room?
[19:19] <cody-somerville> Laney, Aye.
[19:19] <Laney> I think they usually have conference call facilities, but no idea how it works
[19:19] <Laney> carrying on
[19:19] <cody-somerville> I'll see what I can come up with.
[19:19] <Laney> #subtopic stgraber to publish packageset generation script so the rest of the DMB can help maintain it
[19:20] <Laney> not here, does anyone know if this happened?
[19:21] <cody-somerville> I think it may have
[19:21] <cody-somerville> can't say for sure though
[19:21] <geser> the page with the results was mailed, but not the script itself IIRC
[19:21] <Laney> a branch under ~developer-membership-board on LP would be good
[19:21] <Laney> i'll poke him to publish it
[19:22] <Laney> #action Laney to poke stgraber about publishing package set script
[19:22] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney to poke stgraber about publishing package set script
[19:22] <Laney> #subtopic James Page
[19:22] <Laney> approved for core-dev
[19:22] <Laney> micahg: where do we stand with motu?
[19:22] <micahg> that was taken care of
[19:22] <Laney> application falls?
[19:22] <micahg> Laney: well, yeah, I didn't send out the second vote for MOTU since it seemed pointeless
[19:23] <Laney> ok, as long as there is nothing left to do
[19:23] <Laney> i want to get this position statement out though
[19:23] <Laney> can you take care of it, if everybody is ok with the proposed text?
[19:23] <cody-somerville> Laney, Position statement on what again?
[19:23] <micahg> before the next meeting?  yeah, I can do that
[19:23]  * bdrung is ok with it.
[19:23] <Laney> how we handle people applying for redundant permissions
[19:23] <Laney> 'social' applications
[19:25] <cody-somerville> Is there any pressing reason to release a statement ASAP? I haven't read it yet.
[19:25] <Laney> not ASAP, but I want it to happen
[19:25] <Laney> please do comment
[19:26] <cody-somerville> Without reading it, I'm inclined to say it is probably something that I'd like for us to discuss at our meeting at UDS.
[19:26] <Laney> ok, well...
[19:26] <Laney> #action cody-somerville to follow up on position statement
[19:26] <meetingology> ACTION: cody-somerville to follow up on position statement
[19:26] <Laney> (on-list)
[19:26] <Laney> :-)
[19:26] <Laney> #topic Administrative Matters
[19:26] <Laney> do we have anything left to discuss about the survey?
[19:27]  * cody-somerville doesn't at this point.
[19:28] <Laney> let's leave that
[19:28] <Laney> onto the meat
[19:29] <Laney> #subtopic Continue discussion about our package set management workflows
[19:29] <Laney> I had a proposal that I typed out somewhere, but I can't remember where
[19:29] <Laney> basically
[19:30] <Laney>  - As a matter of policy, each package set has a single uploader, which is a team. The DMB can either handle applications to the team or delegate to an appopriate council if one is set up.
[19:31] <Laney>  - Applications for new package sets must come with some clear criteria that the DMB can apply when adding subsequent packages in future
[19:32] <Laney>   - Package additions are done by requesting on devel-permissions. Any DMB member will check against the criteria and add if it matches (or feed back if not).
[19:32] <Laney> possibly some kind of objection raising period?
[19:32] <bdrung> sounds good so far
[19:33] <Laney> so the only real change is that we require these criteria when approving new sets
[19:33] <Laney> I really dislike making people come to meetings for these kind of additions which in most cases should be a formality
[19:34]  * bdrung agrees.
[19:35]  * micahg also agrees
[19:35] <geser> I agree too but unless we have a policy how to manage package sets, I prefered to have it done in the meeting just to be sure (as the original list of packages was also vote on in a meeting)
[19:36] <Laney> what kind of policy?
[19:36] <Laney> you mean, unless we agree on something like this?
[19:36] <geser> any policy, till now there is no policy at all
[19:36] <Laney> aye
[19:38] <Laney> so I suppose a policy should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation ?
[19:38] <Laney> or is there some other page?
[19:39] <ScottK> Since you're delegated from the TB, it might not be bad to have them approve the policy.
[19:39] <ScottK> Then there's no question about are you doing it right.
[19:39] <geser> IIRC there is no documentation of package sets at all (besides many people knowing that they exist)
[19:39] <Laney> that is true, I will copy them in
[19:39]  * Laney thinks TeamDelegation is what we have
[19:41] <Laney> so if I do that, and the TB thinks the idea is ok, can someone else volunteer to mail people running existing package sets and ask them to come up with criteria?
[19:41] <Laney> #action Laney to write down proposal for streamlining packageset changes and mail DMB and TB
[19:41] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney to write down proposal for streamlining packageset changes and mail DMB and TB
[19:43] <Laney> :(
[19:44] <micahg> Laney: I can talk to the packageset owners'
[19:44] <micahg> just might not happen before UDS
[19:45] <Laney> no massive rush
[19:45] <Laney> just ping them all "hey, you can make it easy to get new packages if you tell us how to evaluate them"
[19:46] <Laney> #action micahg to ping packageset owners to write down criteria for package membership
[19:46] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to ping packageset owners to write down criteria for package membership
[19:46] <Laney> #topic AOB
[19:47] <micahg> next chair?
[19:48] <Laney> ah yes
[19:48] <Laney> #topic next chair
[19:48] <Laney> we should become more systematic
[19:48] <Laney> alphabetical rotation or so
[19:49] <micahg> well, I did last week ,so stgraber? (also not here :))
[19:49] <Laney> well volunteered!
[19:50] <ajmitch> poor stgraber
[19:50]  * Laney cackles
[19:50] <Laney> #topic aob again
[19:50] <Laney> going
[19:50] <Laney> going…
[19:51] <Laney> gone, thanks all
[19:51] <Laney> #endmeeting
[19:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 19:51:21 2011 UTC.
[19:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-10-19.07.moin.txt
[19:53] <micahg> thanks Laney
[19:53] <micahg> Laney: now that I think about it, we could've gone reverse alphabetical order
[19:53] <Laney> ah well
[19:57] <Laney> micahg: looking forward to seeing you on the other side of the fence again next time!
[19:57]  * Laney turns up the heat
[19:58] <micahg> Laney: hehe, I guess I'll be doing some jumping next meeting, I better warm up :)
[19:58]  * bdrung want to have the 'reverse alphabetical order' card
[19:58]  * micahg wonders if it was wise to volunteer the chair for the next meeting when he's an applicant...
[19:59] <broder> omg canonical biases :-P
[19:59] <geser> micahg: you can interview then yourself :)
[19:59]  * ajmitch regrets not volunteering for a DMB nomination now :)
[19:59] <micahg> geser: no, I volunteered someone else
[20:01] <geser> ajmitch: your next chance is around Jan/Feb 2012 when 5/7 of the DMB expire
[20:03] <ajmitch> no doubt most will stand for reelection
[20:03] <micahg> geser: the term was only 1 yr?
[20:04] <geser> micahg: I'm not sure anymore if it's 1 or 2 years
[20:04] <micahg> the next election should be for bdrung's seat next year sometime
[20:05] <geser> micahg: cody-somerville, persia, Laney, stgraber and me expire on 2012-02-13 (a good chance to ajmitch to get a seat)
[20:05] <geser> bdrung has time till Nov 2012
[20:06] <Laney> launchpad thinks we are 1, which is fine by me
[20:07] <ajmitch> why is Laney the only special one with a short term on LP?
[20:07] <geser> only micahg got elected for 2 years :) (not sure about bdrung)
[20:07]  * micahg also has 2 yrs, thinks there was an error seeding the elected from Feb
[20:07]  * bdrung got elected for 2 years
[20:08] <geser> ajmitch: the others got re-elected Feb 2011
[20:08]  * micahg will write the TB about the error unless asked not to
[20:08] <ajmitch> as long as the team stays with enough members, it shouldn't  matter too much
[20:13] <geser> micahg: I don't mind but I hoped to have my term end in Feb 2012. 4 years of MC/DMB are enough for now.
[20:13] <geser> ajmitch: I can nominate you for my seat when my term ends :)
[20:13] <ajmitch> gee thanks :)
[20:13] <micahg> geser: in that case, do you want to send the e-mail to the TB and request your term to be left alone?
[20:14] <geser> micahg: I will mail the TB and ask about the term for the DMB and let the other ones get updated
[20:14] <micahg> geser: thanks
[20:15] <geser> ajmitch: we need more timezones in the DMB to make finding a meeting time more challenging :)
[20:16] <micahg> we already have 3 disparate time zones, we need more?
[20:18] <ajmitch> I'm an expert in that area - noone can  meeting time to accomodate UTC+13, US & europe


[06:08] <gingitsune> How can you change the remote?
[06:08] <gingitsune> remote user
[06:08] <gingitsune> currently its diff user@url
[06:09] <gingitsune> and i need to make a checkout with my user
[06:11] <gingitsune> Also is there a way to check the current remote?
[06:11] <gingitsune> bzr+ssh://centralhost/srv/bzr/PROJECT/trunk
[06:20] <fullermd> You could set the user in the URL.  Or in ssh config, if you prefer.
[19:01] <kdub> if i'm pushing a diverged branch to a remote, why wouldn't --overwrite work?


[00:13] <torpet> hi all
[00:14] <torpet> i installed ubuntu-gnome 16.04 today and found out about the gnome3 stable ppa. is it worth adding it? will ubuntu gnome LTS get gnome updates along its lifecycle or is it stuck on 3.18 forever?
[00:30] <jbicha> torpet: Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS will stay with 3.18
[00:30] <torpet> so adding that stable ppa over the course of a few years is worth it so to speak?
[00:30] <torpet> or will those changes come to the official package archive?
[00:47] <jbicha> the GNOME3 Staging PPA for xenial (16.04) will stay with 3.20
[00:48] <jbicha> if you want newer versions, you'll have to upgrade to newer releases
[00:49] <jbicha> the Staging PPA is like a beta preview of the next Ubuntu GNOME release
[12:33] <conartist> facing random crashes of gnome-shell
[12:35] <conartist> especially when playing any video with default player totem


[03:40] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer: alive mate?
[03:40] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: Yeah, just got back from a trip about 300 miles away. What's up?
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> want to check something on studio, in the docs (if there's one) bug 1827788
[03:41]  * Eickmeyer peruses
[03:42] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: This is already a thing with Ubuntu Studio. Not only is there a webchat link on the website, there's also a menu entry installed by default and in the addon.
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer: could you make a screenshot of that please, ill do the work for you then
[03:44] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: I could, but it might have to wait until tomorrow (it's 20:44 here).
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> sure thing mate, tnx for checking ok and good night
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: You bet.
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> I can throw it on my to-do list. I'll have some time to work on stuff tomorrow while waiting for laundry to wash/dry.
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> great!
[05:47] <ubuntu1__> having problem building kernel using docs
[05:47] <ubuntu1__> the docs dont flow properly vecause something changes the package to linux-signed
[05:48] <ubuntu1__> and the build deps do not install
[05:50] <veremitz> you what?!
[05:58] <ubuntu1__> you read me?
[06:07] <ubuntu1__> hello verm
[06:07] <ubuntu1__> can YOU  READ THIS
[09:22] <ubuntu1_> !quantal
[09:23] <ubuntu1_> !precise
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> can we help you ubuntu1_ ?
[09:23] <ubuntu1_> hmm
[09:24] <ubuntu1_> hello lotuspsychje that was useful ubottu there
[09:24] <ubuntu1_> I was expecting a codename to be a major release
[09:24] <ubuntu1_> but precise and quantal are both 12
[09:25] <ubuntu1_> lotuspsychje, can xen when using virtual machines actually swap the xen host kernel
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu1_: this is the ubuntu studio support channel
[09:26] <ubuntu1_> we can do all sorts of wonderful things lotuspsychje at this point the main thing is not to get in the way
[09:27] <ubuntu1_> there is some sort of opposition bug
[09:28] <ubuntu1_> some get oppositional for no apparent reason
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu1_: please only use this channel for studio questions
[09:29] <ubuntu1_> that is a problem they keep banning me and then we get upset when I do something to continue like call ubottu in here
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !ops | ubuntu1_ soulseeker ban evading
[09:31] <ubuntu1_> heh
[09:39] <m_ad[m]> ubuntu1_: if you behave yourself and stop trolling you won't get banned, simple as taht
[15:24] <veremitz> thanks guys .. I wasn't gonna be the one to put 'em right
[16:45] <studio-useri7112> Hi, i just have a quick question. I installed ubuntu studio just fine but when i get to the end it fails to install grub for some reason. /sda has Windows 10 on it if that's of any help. Thanks for any advice
[16:46] <veremitz> do you have an error message from grub?
[16:47] <studio-useri7112> @no, fatal error could not install
[16:47] <studio-useri7112> didnt notice the number
[16:49] <studio-useri7112> i am at work right now and don't have access to my computer but i will note it tonight if i have not found a solution. i would like to avoid reinstalling windows. if possible
[16:51] <studio-useri7112> i am loading the iso from an Easy2boot usb stick. so could it be possible the way it loads the iso my sda becomes the USB? but still lists it as my windows drive ? (samsung 250gb)
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> studio-useri7112: Try asking in #ubuntu (type /join #ubuntu).
[17:10] <veremitz> mm sounds like a fairly generic installer failure
[17:10] <veremitz> but the more information you can find, the better ;)
[18:32] <studio-useri7112> perfect, will do thank you!


[00:07] <greasyfat> anyone here a friend
[00:07] <greasyfat> talk to me i need friends
[00:07] <greasyfat> talk to me aholes
[00:07] <greasyfat> h wrong channel
[00:07] <ghil> ...
[00:07] <dougl> greasyfat, lol
[00:07] <valorie> greasyfat: this is an ubuntu channel, and as such the CoC applies
[00:08] <valorie> !coc
[00:08] <greasyfat> i tried to go toofftopic
[00:08] <valorie> also, this is a support channel
[00:08] <greasyfat> i thot i was on thatchannel
[00:08] <greasyfat> where is the general chat
[00:08] <greasyfat> for people who want friends
[00:08] <greasyfat> not talk about tupid linux
[00:08] <valorie> #kubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:08] <valorie> or try alis to search:
[00:09] <greasyfat> ty
[00:09] <valorie> !alis
[01:35] <apb1963> I reinstalled kubuntu 12.04 to a fresh disk.  I have access to the old disk.  What files do I need to copy in order to restore my old working environment?
[01:40] <ahoneybun> apb1963: I think .kde directory
[01:40] <ahoneybun> has some setting files in it
[01:40] <ahoneybun> hidden by default
[01:42] <apb1963> ok, but I was actually hoping for something more specific in terms of which files in that dir I specifically need
[01:43] <apb1963> because copying all of it does in fact change things... but it gives me some unwanted changes as well.  So I was hoping for perhaps a pointer to a guide that explains which files are required and what they do perhaps
[01:44] <apb1963> For example... one change I get is my tabs darken to nearly unreadable
[01:44] <apb1963> I suspect that has something to do with themes (Oxygen) but no idea how to fix it
[01:45] <apb1963> brb.. relogging.
[01:47] <apb1963> ok relogging helped
[01:48] <apb1963> but I still get a bit of weirdness in how it displays my virtual desktop tabs
[01:48] <apb1963> In particular there seems to be something underneath
[01:49] <apb1963> interesting.... I think it's the icon for my IRC client.  weird
[01:50] <ahoneybun> so nothing really got fixed? apb1963
[01:51] <apb1963> well copying .kde over brought my desktop config back which is good... but there are some oddities, as I mentioned
[01:52] <apb1963> for example the title of one of the desktops has a gray box around it
[01:52] <apb1963> actually... two have the gray box... with one desktop - the one I'm in - having the IRC client icon underneath it and showing through
[01:53] <apb1963> Moving to a different desktop doesn't affect the icon
[01:56] <greasyfat> ubuntu is lame cant update it without gparting bigger boot partition
[02:09] <apb1963> funny... my backgrounds didn't get restored
[02:54] <xixor> howdy y'all.  I have multiple sound cards in my system (an HDMI monitor, built in mobo sound device, and a USB audio interface).  Using phonon I can configure the order of the audio devices and all KDE apps work fine.  I haven't been able to figure out how to chnage the order of alsa devices though, so VLC, and flash player (which uses alsaplugin)  don't seem to work.  I can run alsamixer, I see my device
[02:54] <xixor> but I haven't been able to figure out how to change the order.  Googling around, it seems that there used to be an asoundconf program that was recommended, it no longer seems to be in the repository
[03:05] <stunner> hi guys i am new to kubuntu and did some research is there a lerning game or step by step learing guide so you learn some steps and you way arround the system? i am a former win user and some things still confuse me and the books i got dont really help are either too deep or too shallow and idea where to look?
[03:16] <ghil> well first of all you can always ask any questions here?
[03:16] <ghil> we're there most of the time exactly for that :)
[03:17] <stunner> i have so many thats why i wanted to know if there is a command lerning programm like this comand does this now try it and see what it does kind of thing
[03:19] <stunner> i did an update before and i just had a popupwindow where i was required to type in my pw and it updated i guess but i do not know if it did what it was supposed to do or not
[03:20] <stunner> and i dont want to bother you guys with questuions that you probably heared a million times :D
[03:21] <ghil> well first of all, you can man pretty much every thing in the command line interfance (exemple man top) to get a detailed manual on everything. It will ask you for your password when doing administrative tasks, and if you want to be sure that your system is up to date, open a terminal, type sudo apt-get update (to update the mirrorlist) and sudo apt-get upgrade (to actually do the udpate)
[03:25] <ghil> (sidenote: top is an easy command to figure out what's running on your system :P)
[03:27] <stunner> sudo apt-get update gives me an error
[03:27] <ghil> what's the error?
[03:27] <stunner> E: Type 'service' is not known on line 58 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:27] <stunner> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:28] <ghil> okay write this for me: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <ghil> it will open a file with your mirrorlist in it. could you go to line 58 and tell me what is written?
[03:30] <stunner> ok i see i screwed up here before trying to get vnc running
[03:30] <ghil> good :)
[03:30] <stunner> service Xvnc is line 58 i put it theer though
[03:30] <ghil> copy the line for me?
[03:31] <stunner> i did read obove
[03:31] <stunner> above
[03:31] <ghil> ok
[03:31] <stunner> and after that was what i read to att to this file i may have not doen it right though
[03:32] <stunner> add omg cant type tpday sorry
[03:32] <stunner> i give up :d
[03:32] <ghil> probably. the error you are getting is when the mirrorlist can't update because it doesn't recognize that line.
[03:32] <stunner> service Xvnc
[03:32] <stunner> {
[03:32] <stunner>         type = UNLISTED
[03:32] <stunner>         disable = no
[03:32] <stunner>         socket_type = stream
[03:32] <FloodBotK1> stunner: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:32] <stunner>         protocol = tcp
[03:32] <ghil> you can comment it (add a # before it, first in line) and it will ignore it.
[03:33] <ghil> oh that's why! this is not supposed to be there.
[03:33] <ghil> remove all that from there, should be okay to update now.
[03:35] <stunner> ok seems i am up to date
[03:35] <ghil> good :)
[03:35] <stunner> yeah
[03:40] <stunner> ok man is manual top what is running and sudo is run something correct?
[03:41] <ghil> sudo is running something as administrator, or as we call it, root.
[03:41] <stunner> ok
[03:41] <ghil> but the rest is great.
[03:42] <stunner> reminds me of my old dos days :D
[03:42] <ghil> yeah :) most of the things you can do without the command line, but it's more efficient and quick, so a lot of us rely on it for most things.
[03:42] <stunner> is there a way to get a live konsolea konsole that tells me what im system is doing ?
[03:43] <stunner> yeah and i do like it its just confusing if you dont understand what you are doing :D
[03:43] <ghil> yeah, but you'll get there. We've all begun somewhere. :)
[03:44] <stunner> yeah i know
[03:47] <stunner> how come my standart browser wont load the urls that i want to open from the chat? i set fiorefox in firefox as default do i need to do that somewhere else as well?
[03:47] <ghil> depends on what you are using to connect to IRC>
[03:48] <stunner> quuassel was already installed
[03:49] <excalibr> stunner, what does it use to launch the url?
[03:49] <stunner> rekonq
[03:50] <excalibr> might want to look for alternative entries in /etc/alternatives
[03:52] <ghil> I'm reading there was a Quassel bug that ignored the browser, so might be that too. I suggest changing anyway to something better! try Xchat fo GUI or IRSSI if you want to experiment with CLI.
[03:53] <ghil> but I strongly suggests going with GUI first while you familiarise yourself. :p
[03:53] <stunner> i am new excalibr i understand you gave me a path but how i get there and than look for something i dont could you tell me what i need to do
[03:54] <excalibr> When you use plasma-desktop, how do you hide the titlebar for maximized app window just like in plasma-netbook?
[03:54] <stunner> ahh ok well it was already installed though i went with it
[03:55] <excalibr> stunner, ls -l /etc/alternatives/xxx-www-browser
[03:55] <excalibr> x-www-browser
[03:56] <excalibr> where does it point to?
[03:57] <stunner> /usr/bin/rekonq
[03:57] <stunner> and i need to change it to firefox is my quess?
[03:58] <stunner> quick question /usr is my home directory?
[03:59] <excalibr> stunner, correct. change it with sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-brower
[04:00] <stunner> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-brower
[04:01] <excalibr> x-www-browser
[04:01] <stunner> oops
[04:02] <stunner> what is the difference between auto and manual mode?
[04:04] <ghil> usr isn't your home. /home is your home.
[04:04] <MangaKaDenza> I got a question about repositories
[04:04] <ghil> yes MangaKaDenza?
[04:04] <MangaKaDenza> is there a command line way to see which ones I'm using atm?
[04:05] <Trel> How do I use different themes for lightdm? I don't see any way to configure it?
[04:05] <MangaKaDenza> Trel: it should be configurable in the control panel
[04:05] <Trel> MangaKaDenza: with two options, icons or no icons, that's not exactly an appearance change
[04:06] <MangaKaDenza> Trel: well, I'd install some themes then
[04:06] <MangaKaDenza> they should be findable in muon package manager
[04:06] <MangaKaDenza> just search for lightdm
[04:06] <Trel> MangaKaDenza: I don't even see any results for lightdm themes in google...
[04:06] <excalibr> stunner, im not so sure but I think it pertains to how the alternative systems handles the link when it no longer exists (as packages removed or installed). just select auto there just to be safe
[04:06] <MangaKaDenza> try muon
[04:07] <Trel> (synaptic ok, or have to be muon?)
[04:07] <stunner> @excalibr thx
[04:08] <MangaKaDenza> Trel: well, any package manager should work
[04:08] <Trel> I much prefer the UI of synaptic
[04:08] <MangaKaDenza> but I like muon, as it doesn't lock dpkg when its used
[04:09] <Trel> MangaKaDenza: ok, I tried muon and synaptic, there's not a single theme for lightdm
[04:09] <Trel> I am I missing something?
[04:10] <SonikkuAmerica> You can pick a greeter type (unity-greeter, lightdm-gtk-greeter, ...)
[04:11] <Trel> greeters are not themes
[04:12] <Trel> Why exactly is KDM being depricated in favor of lightdm?  It seems like it's not quite ready for prime time.
[04:13] <MangaKaDenza> Trel: standardization I guess
[04:13] <Trel> It seems like a rather bad idea considering how much customization is lost.
[04:14] <Trel> I'll be right back, I'm testing something
[04:15] <stunner> hey ghil i asked before if there is a live konsole that i can follow while my system is doing something dont know if you missed it
[04:16] <MangaKaDenza> stunner: er, could you clarify?
[04:16] <MangaKaDenza> I might be able to help
[04:16] <stunner> sure
[04:17] <MangaKaDenza> so... what do you want to do exactly?
[04:17] <stunner> i want to install a program with muon and it just pops up a window where i need to type my password than the window is gone and it does stuff and a while later the program is there i just was wondering if you can follow along what it is doing in the background
[04:18] <ghil> oh I did not see the message: stunner: depends on what it is doing, but most of the time if you start something on the terminal, it will verbose, so you will be able to follow along.
[04:19] <ghil> so for exemple: instead of installing it with muon, install it in CLI with the commandd sudo apt-get install yourapphereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[04:19] <ghil> herr....the multiple e was weird, I think Synergy is having hickups. :p
[04:19] <MangaKaDenza> I was just about to ask about that
[04:20] <stunner> i would do it but i dont know ernough to figure this sudo apt-get to do it manually
[04:20] <stunner> i just want to install xchat like you suggested
[04:20] <ghil> it's really simple. when you know what you want to install, type sudo (root access) apt-get (the actual download program) install (duh) xchat
[04:21] <ghil> so in short: sudo apt-get install xchat
[04:21] <ghil> and watch it fly by. Muon and Synaptic are just front ends for apt-get after all.
[04:21] <stunner> ahh so it looks randomly for xchat in the internet and installs it? without knowing the actuall location of it?
[04:22] <ghil> not randomly. it will look in the repositories on the internet (you have a list of those in /etc/apt/sources.list) and will look only there.
[04:23] <stunner> ahh ok now it makes more sense
[04:23] <ghil> most of the distributions maintain repositories of programs ready to be installed on that particular distribution.
[04:23] <stunner> so sudo apt-get install xchat?
[04:24] <ghil> so you don't have to compile everything manually, which would be a pain. :P yes.
[04:24] <stunner> seems simple enough
[04:24] <ghil> it is really simple.
[04:24] <ghil> it's actually a lot less complicated than windows.
[04:25] <stunner> well that was the way i was thinking that it needs to know where to look but if it has a library than it all makes more sense
[04:25] <ghil> exactly
[04:26] <stunner> well that was easy :D
[04:27] <ghil> :)
[04:27] <stunner> i need to restart i shall return hopefully :D
[04:31] <stunner> yaya
[04:31] <stunner> yay
[04:31] <ghil> nice :)
[04:32] <stunner> ok and now get rid of quassel hmm sudo apt-XXX irc ckient?
[04:34] <stunner> no something with dev null
[04:35] <ghil> sudo apt-get remove quassel
[04:36] <ghil> gotta go to sleep though, but I'm sure someone else will take over. Night everyone :)
[04:39] <stunner> thank you ghil good night
[04:45] <stunner> top tells me 3 users one is guest one is me one root?
[05:03] <Daskreech> !commands
[05:12] <Daskreech> MangaKaDenza: you can see your repos in the /etc/ dir
[05:13] <Daskreech> stunner: yuo have a guest user?
[05:14] <stunner> well on my login sreen i could choose guest but i dont have the need for one really
[05:14] <stunner> i was just wondering top said i have 3 users
[05:16] <stunner> top - 00:15:57 up 46 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.17, 0.30
[05:32] <valorie> stunner: root is a user too
[05:32] <stunner> yeah my question was just is that the amount of all users or the logged in ones?
[05:33] <valorie> root is always in the background running various things
[05:33] <valorie> I have 3 users as well, so I assume that is root, me and guest
[05:34] <stunner> ok good to know i am just new to this so i see those things and some bell rings in my head :D
[05:34] <valorie> there is a funny old command `whoami` which tells you who are logged in as
[05:35] <valorie> yes, if you remember msdos or cp/m, lots of the cli will seem familiar
[05:35] <stunner> oh yes i remember
[05:35] <stunner> dos 4.0 i had 40 mb hdd on my 286 with midi sound :D
[05:36] <valorie> also, if you have linux-only questions and no one answers here, I understand that ##linux is a good chan
[05:36] <valorie> here on freenode
[05:36] <valorie> !alis
[05:37] <valorie> lots of very knowledgeable people here, though
[05:37] <stunner>  thanks have to check that out although i am not quite sure if i can distinguish the difference quite jet what is kubuntu and linux specific :D
[05:38] <valorie> sure
[05:38] <stunner> darn it still rekonq i though it was set to firefox now
[05:38] <valorie> it took me a good long while to figure out how the community is structured
[05:39] <valorie> you can set this in systemsettings
[05:39] <valorie> and try alt+f2 (krunner) to find stuff
[05:39] <valorie> Default applications is what you want
[05:39] <stunner> hey as long you understand they (the people that know things) are people like you and be nice to them
[05:40] <valorie> in systemsettings
[05:40] <valorie> yup
[05:40] <valorie> I started hanging out in the linuxchix IRC when I was still using windows, just to get oriented
[05:41] <valorie> from there I found freenode, and the KDE and Kubuntu channels
[05:41] <stunner> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser is what i did before
[05:41] <valorie> ok, I've never used that command
[05:41] <valorie> so dunno
[05:41] <valorie> systemsettings is well laid out
[05:42] <stunner> but as i see it didnt change it in kde(?)
[05:42] <valorie> that could be
[05:42] <valorie> dunno
[05:42] <stunner> well i changet it in the systemsettings
[05:42] <valorie> also, you might have to log out and back into KDE to have it 'take'
[05:43] <stunner> i restarted the system before
[05:43] <valorie> ok
[05:43] <jalcine> stunner: Linux is like your brian, Kubuntu's more like the flesh and bones that make you what you are.
[05:43] <jalcine> For an analogy
[05:43] <valorie> restart is rarely necessary
[05:43] <jalcine> Some would say Linux is probably the nervous system
[05:43] <stunner> yeah but i had to
[05:43] <valorie> ok
[05:43] <jalcine> Also, stunner, did you check System Settings > Default Applications ?
[05:44] <stunner> yeah its just konsole and kde seem to be working together but not
[05:44] <stunner> yeah i just changed it there
[05:44] <jalcine> Ah, sorry, didn't see the backlog.
[05:44] <stunner> all good
[05:45] <jalcine> is it happening when you click on a link in Konsole or are you just trying to reconfigure `x-www-browser`?
[05:45] <stunner> oh man irc its been a long time
[05:47] <stunner> no before i was on quassel irc client and links in quassel was opening in requon or something like that so i asked how to change that and someone told me to use the x-www-browser to change that but kde seemed to not chenged it
[05:47] <stunner> xchat doesnt seem to open a browser at all when i click a link
[05:48] <valorie> xchat is a standalone application, not part of KDE
[05:48] <valorie> you probably have to configure that within xchat
[05:48]  * valorie favors Konversation
[05:49] <stunner> yeah i found an option but i have no clue how to set it up i need to do some research on that
[05:49] <stunner> atm its set to opera it seems
[05:49] <valorie> interesting
[05:49] <valorie> I haven't tried opera for years
[05:50] <stunner> !opera -remote 'openURL(%s)'
[05:50] <valorie> !opera
[05:50] <stunner>  !opera -remote 'openURL(%s)'
[05:50] <valorie> the bot doesn't take arguments, I guess
[05:50] <stunner> nope lol
[05:51] <valorie> since opera is also a standalone application, ubottu is unlikely to know much anyway
[05:51] <jalcine> stunner: that's within Quassel's settings, I'd presume.
[05:52] <valorie> the longer I use KDE, the more I tend to stick to KDE apps
[05:52] <jalcine> Konversation's more tightly knit with KDE and respects KDE's desktop settings for opening links
[05:52] <valorie> except chromium
[05:52] <stunner> i like xchat seems to be not so cutesie
[05:52] <jalcine> hopefuly, that'll change with Qt5 and the new Web rendering engine
[05:53] <valorie> for some reason, I took a dislike to xchat a long time ago
[05:53] <stunner> it works for what i need it seems to me a simple irc client
[05:53] <valorie> but choices are there for all of us, which is one of the great things about linux
[05:54] <jalcine> stunner: I'd point you in the direction of Konversation, then. It's simpler and gets things done.
[05:54] <stunner> its just different from windows need some time to get used to it
[05:54] <jalcine> I use both Konversation and weechat, but spend more time in Konversation
[05:55] <valorie> konvi <3
[05:55] <stunner> hmm ok lets see if i remember how to get it installed
[05:55] <jalcine> stunner: cli or gui?
[05:55] <valorie> heh
[05:56] <stunner> cli gui?
[05:56] <stunner> hehe
[05:57] <stunner_> hehe
[05:57] <stunner_> nah i miss the sidebar :D
[05:57] <stunner> i stay with xchat for now
[05:58] <jalcine> stunner_: Konversation has that, you'd have to move the tabs to the left in the settings
[05:58] <jalcine> by default, it's at the top (iirc)
[05:58] <stunner> i gotta check it oout
[05:58] <valorie> !konversation
[05:58] <valorie> piffle
[05:59] <stunner> lol
[05:59] <valorie> hmmm
[05:59] <valorie> !irc
[06:00] <valorie> pfff
[06:00] <valorie> !info konversation
[06:00] <valorie> not what i wanted to know, ubottu
[06:01] <jalcine> the app docs are online for most of KDE's apps, no?
[06:02] <stunner> but i am proud of myself got my firefox running with my windows profile skype to work (i think)  now i need to see how i get sc2 to work and vnc
[06:02] <valorie> http://userbase.kde.org/Konversation
[06:02] <valorie> sc2 works well; the kubuntu packagers often use it to build stuff
[06:03] <valorie> jalcine: yep; but ubottu doesn't seem to know about 'em
[06:03] <stunner> we are talking about starcraft 2?
[06:03] <stunner> sorry if i confused you
[06:03] <jalcine> lol
[06:03] <jalcine> stunner: konversation has its docs online at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-network/konversation/index.html
[06:04] <stunner> ok i will check it out but not now
[06:04] <valorie> ah, that is the online amazon.com system
[06:04] <stunner> i saw playonlinux supposed to work
[06:05] <valorie> !playonlinux
[06:05] <valorie> hmmm
[06:06] <valorie> !wine
[06:06] <stunner> !info playonlinux
[06:06] <greasyfat> wtf is dif bettwen kbuntu and regular ubuntu
[06:06] <valorie> the difference is KDE vs Unity desktop
[06:06] <greasyfat> ahhh
[06:06] <greasyfat> yeah unity is adware lol
[06:06] <valorie> there are also lots of other 'flavors' of ubuntu
[06:06] <greasyfat> maybei shud switch
[06:07] <valorie> xubuntu, lubuntu, etc.
[06:08] <jalcine> stunner: check the wine-hq site for compatibility of SC2 on Ubuntu
[06:09] <stunner> yeah i have read about it already but its getting later in the day and so therefore i will do it tomorrow
[06:09] <jalcine> no problem
[06:09] <stunner> i am just enjoying my achievements for the day lol
[06:09] <jalcine> g'day stunner :)
[06:10] <stunner> oops konversation was still open
[06:10] <stunner> i will stay for a while still
[06:10] <stunner> i wont go to bed for a while just not in the mood for more stuff right now
[06:12] <stunner> !mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'
[06:13] <stunner> url handler for xchat just in case someone needs it
[06:17] <Daskreech> :)
[06:17] <Daskreech> stunner: Wiki it!
[06:17] <stunner> no i got it to work
[06:17] <stunner> i just forget how irc works lol
[06:18] <stunner> its been like 6 years
[06:19] <Programmer_> anyone here?
[06:19] <stunner> i am but i dont think i can help you much
[06:20] <Programmer_> hmmm
[06:21] <Programmer_> Well I was wondering how how do i get the application tabs
[06:21] <Programmer_> like right click in a window title bar and select, tab to window
[06:22] <Fa_1> good morning + happy new year :) - does somebody know whats wrong with ~/.xsession-errors since 13.10(?) it's almost empty now
[06:22] <stunner> i have no idea sorry
[06:26] <valorie> stunner: Daskreech meant find the wiki article and add that command so others can find it
[06:26] <Daskreech> Programmer_: which application is this?
[06:26] <Programmer_> its now one
[06:26] <Programmer_> like when you right click on an application's title bar
[06:26] <Daskreech> Fa_1: Maybe you stopped having session errors?
[06:27] <valorie> not many people will search the logs of this channel for anything about xchat, since it isn't a KDE application
[06:27] <Programmer_> there is an open for "More options"
[06:27] <Daskreech> Programmer_: You right click on the application abr
[06:27] <Programmer_> an application's window titlebar...
[06:28] <valorie> that works for me in Konversation
[06:28] <valorie> should work in any KDE application
[06:28] <Daskreech> Programmer_: what do you get when youright click on the title bar?
[06:28] <stunner> ahh
[06:28] <Fa_1> Daskreech: that would be cool (: but no. even in this case there should be some kind of output in
[06:28] <stunner> yeah i am new to this linux thing :D
[06:29] <stunner> sorry daskreech i will see what i can find
[06:29] <Programmer_> move to desktop, minimize, maximize, etc.
[06:29] <Daskreech> Fa_1: When was the file last touched?
[06:29] <Daskreech> Programmer_: what window display manager are you using?
[06:30] <Programmer_> the default?
[06:30] <Programmer_> oh nvm, i think oxygen is the only thing that has this option
[06:31] <Fa_1> Daskreech: 11minutes ago (like it should be on - session start) .. i think that ubuntu has made some changes and the output will now end somewhere else.. but i dont know the right path
[06:32] <Daskreech> Fa_1: Oh. that's bad
[06:32] <Daskreech> Programmer_: Ah
[06:32] <Programmer_> you see it?
[06:34] <Fa_1> ohh .. found it ... its now in ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log :/
[07:05] <bogfrog> anyone Know where I can get a lst of non-devel communty websites  for Kubuntu and KDE? :Please
[07:08] <valorie> bogfrog: are you looking for the userbase stuff?
[07:09] <valorie> http://userbase.kde.org
[07:09] <valorie> there is also the community wiki: http://community.kde.org
[07:10] <valorie> ah, did you see my answer to you, bogfrog?
[07:12] <bogfrog> sorry had to logout I just visited and i'll start at the userbase thanK you valorie
[07:12] <valorie> cool
[07:13] <valorie> also:
[07:13] <valorie> there is also the community wiki: http://community.kde.org
[07:18] <stunner> can i run 2 sudo apt-get paralell
[07:19] <valorie> no, but you can do sudo command && sudo command-two
[07:19] <binali> Hi people))
[07:19] <valorie> I often do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:20] <valorie> also: up-arrow gets you to commands you've used before
[07:20] <binali> How can I install network-manager for Kubuntu 13.10 ?
[07:20] <valorie> big time-saver
[07:20] <valorie> !info network-manager
[07:21] <binali> I lost it.
[07:21] <valorie> sudo apt-get install network-manager
[07:21] <valorie> binali ^^^
[07:22] <stunner> hmm sudo apt-get install network-manager?
[07:22] <binali> Not working!
[07:22] <stunner> damn it too late but i am proud of myself
[07:22] <valorie> binali: what is the error message?
[07:23] <binali> apt install it for GNOME.
[07:23] <valorie> I'm sorry, what?
[07:23] <binali> And, it not working in KDE.
[07:23] <valorie> I see
[07:24] <binali> gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 gnome-bluetooth gnome-user-share network-manager network-manager-gnome
[07:24] <binali> but, i need network-manager-kde
[07:25] <binali> q
[07:25] <binali> with plasma widget.
[07:25] <valorie> the widget is called Network Management
[07:25] <valorie> so that isn't a standalone application, it's just a widget
[07:26] <valorie> do you see the cashew on one end of your task bar?
[07:26] <binali> hmm
[07:26] <valorie> click that and "add widget"
[07:27] <binali> okay.. i try
[07:27] <stunner> hmm when the program i want to install is not in the lib how do i get it with the console anyway?
[07:28] <valorie> doesn't it offer to download it for you?
[07:28] <stunner> E: Unable to locate package 7zip
[07:29] <valorie> !info 7zip
[07:29] <valorie> ah, of course -- that's a windows application
[07:30] <James0r> do i need to do anything special to get conky to work well in kde? the configs i've tried so far are showing up with black borders or all black
[07:30] <binali> I lost network managment widget for Plasma(
[07:32] <stunner> found it
[07:47] <stunner> !playonlinux
[07:47] <stunner> !info playonlinux
[07:50] <binali> thanks for all))
[07:50] <valorie> binali: success?
[07:50] <apb1963> I'm getting an error from kwin.  Screenshot here: http://snag.gy/xfJKN.jpg
[07:51] <binali> yes)) i installed network-manager and plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[07:51] <valorie> wonderful!
[07:52] <stunner> nice
[07:52] <binali> Thank You, man))
[07:52] <binali> I have bug, can you help me again?)
[07:53] <valorie> hehe, not a man!
[07:53] <binali> =)
[07:53] <valorie> sure, this channel is always here to help kubuntu users
[07:53] <binali> I love Kubuntu)))
[07:54] <binali> How can I enable Mobile broadband automaticaly?
[07:55] <binali> Checkbox is unchecked
[07:56] <valorie> binali: explain exactly what you want to do
[07:58] <binali> excuse me for grammatical errors
[08:00] <valorie> that isn't a problem, but I don't understand what you want to do
[08:01] <valorie> are you going to be using your cell phone to connect to the internet often, or always?
[08:04] <binali_> http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0102/38/294c16572e3f864ea2a85de4a9af7538.jpeg that's my problem
[08:06] <valorie> and when you "edit connections, can you enable Mobile Broadband?
[08:08] <binali_> yes i can.. but i need to activate mobile broadband automatically
[08:09] <valorie> once it's checked, that's done, right?
[08:09] <valorie> I've never even tried that, so dunno
[08:09] <binali_> yes))
[08:09] <valorie> !mobile
[08:09] <valorie> pfff
[08:10] <binali_> =)))
[08:10] <binali_> I ask this question google)
[08:11] <valorie> http://userbase.kde.org/NetworkManagement might help
[08:12] <binali_> Thank you so much!
[08:12] <valorie> np
[08:12] <stunner> grumph
[08:18] <stunner> is theer a way to give a programm root access prior to starting it?
[08:18] <James0r> how can i install a skz plasmoid? oxygen system monitor in particular
[08:20] <valorie> stunner, there is, but why would you want that?
[08:20] <valorie> dangerous move
[08:21] <stunner> i know i was just wondering
[08:21] <stunner> because playonlinux needs to mount my dvd drive and it always gives an error
[08:21] <valorie> James0r: skz files are discussed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1058354
[08:22] <stunner> but i guess i check the irc tomorrow noone awake theer atm
[08:22] <valorie> seems like it would be better to automatically mount your dvd drive
[08:22] <valorie> rather than start up playonlinux as root
[08:23] <James0r> valorie: thanks
[08:23] <valorie> stunner: check out `man mount`
[08:23] <stunner> was just an idea but playonnlinux states it will ask me for root but never does
[08:23] <stunner> i did
[08:23] <valorie> I believe there is a file you can edit to get that auto-mounted
[08:24] <valorie> James0r: np
[08:26] <valorie> stunner: this thread might help - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421324
[08:27] <valorie> maybe this one also: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1828145
[08:27] <stunner> just quick question in file manager i can access the dvdrom just fine does that mean its mounted or is that something else
[08:28] <valorie> yes, if you can see it in Dolphin, it is mounted
[08:28] <stunner> yeah i can
[08:29] <stunner> so it is mounted i think its something playonlinux or wine specific
[08:29] <stunner> i will ask them tomorrow
[08:29] <valorie> I think there is a wine chan
[08:30] <stunner> there is a playonlinux chan as well but noone home atm :D
[08:30] <valorie> #winehq
[08:30] <valorie> oh, ok
[08:30] <valorie> I would expect all things gamer to be well supported here on freenode
[08:31] <valorie> http://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-10879-unable_to_find_CDROM.html might shed light as well
[08:32] <valorie> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37219/how-do-i-mount-cd-rom-at-media-cdrom0
[08:32] <valorie> oh, google has lotsa stuff for ya
[08:33] <stunner> no disrespect but i can google also :D
[08:33] <valorie> heh
[08:33] <stunner> i tried that but wasnt helpfull for me
[08:33] <valorie> ok
[08:34] <stunner> but i do appreciate it
[08:34] <stunner> very helpfull
[08:34] <valorie> you'd be surprised how many people google for stuff seemingly unrelated
[08:34] <stunner> yeah i am usually good at finding things
[08:34] <valorie> when they finally frame the question, I google it for them, and they think I know what I'm talking about!
[08:34] <valorie> viola!
[08:35] <valorie> hardest bit being coming up with the right question
[08:35] <stunner> but some stuff esp linux is new to me so its hard to get the right question but it seems like the exact problem is hard to find
[08:35] <valorie> yup
[08:36] <stunner> gotta love lmgtfy.com though :D
[08:38] <valorie> heh
[08:38] <valorie> as long as it is used in good fun, rather than passive-agressively
[08:39] <stunner> sure
[08:39] <stunner> i do this with my mum alot :D
[08:39] <valorie> :-)
[08:40] <stunner> atleast she learned how to use a smartphone
[08:42] <valorie> I had my dad using the internet, until his mental state went down
[08:42] <stunner> anyway its bedtiime now cya later
[08:42] <valorie> that was hard to watch
[08:42] <valorie> niters, stunner
[08:43] <stunner> my dad is scared of the internet
[08:44] <stunner> cya
[08:59] <cjae> does anyone know if trim is enabled on ssd in 13.10?
[09:00] <valorie> cjae: looks like it isn't default yet: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/trim
[09:01] <cjae> haha youre here too
[09:01] <cjae> ok guess Ill have to do it, thanks again
[09:03] <valorie> sure, we're part of KDE as well as part of ubuntu
[09:17] <cjae> valorie: do you have the kde-ufw firewall as well? the one that show in system-settings?
[09:18] <cjae> it is enabled by default in kde-linux-mint
[09:21] <jalcine> !kde-ufw
[09:21] <jalcine> !info ufw-kde
[09:22] <jalcine> !info kde-ufw
[09:24] <jalcine> hmm
[09:24] <jalcine> cjae: are you using Kubuntu or Debian?
[09:25] <jalcine> because kde-ufw doesn't exist
[09:25] <cjae> kubuntu
[09:25] <jalcine> I know there's a plug-in for KDE that has ufw (I use it myself) but it's not packaged yet
[09:25] <cjae> yes that may not be exact name
[09:25] <jalcine> !info python-ufw
[09:26] <cjae> right but that one doesnt fit into system settings right?
[09:26] <jalcine> it does
[09:26] <jalcine> wait, no not python-ufw
[09:27] <jalcine> I think it's on the list of things to package
[09:27] <cjae> I complied it before but it never actually set ufw
[09:27] <cjae> its been on there awhile
[09:28] <cjae> it is setup on linuxmint kde but I cannot get it to work with kubuntu
[09:33] <cjae> not sure if I still have my .deb I created
[09:35] <valorie> sorry, cjae
[09:35] <valorie> was afk for a bit
[09:36] <cjae> no sweat :-)
[09:36] <valorie> we lack the manpower so far to get kde-ufw working well enough to be packaged, as i understand it
[09:36] <valorie> that includes testing, of course
[09:37] <valorie> volunteer to test if you are interested!
[09:40] <cjae> Well I would but my expertise is too limited to be of any use. I wanted a simple allow all outgoing and a reject all incoming setup.
[09:43] <valorie> ok; /me heads to bed
[10:20] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help getting my monitors set up right? I have two Samsung SyncMaster 2343nw displays using Twinview. One is using DVI but the other has a DVI to VGA adaptor and I can't get a high enough resolution on it. The resoution should be 2048x1152 for both... I've tried adding lines to xorg.conf etc but can't get it to work.
[10:57] <cjae> jonah: addtional drivers? like nvidia driver? Do you play games?
[10:57] <jonah> cjae: no I don't play games. I do have the nvidia drivers installed. nvidia-settings also is unable to get me the higher resolution on the second screen.
[10:58] <cjae> then why is default not good enough?
[10:59] <cjae> there is 3d and multimonitor support out of the box
[10:59] <cjae> which works great for my hdmi tv
[11:00] <cjae> I havent had to use nvidia driver for some time now
[11:00] <jonah> cjae: hi thanks - the default is giving a lower resolution that which the monitor is supposed to have, so text is blocky and the display doens't look right
[11:01] <jonah> cjae: my first monitor is fine and looks good, the second monitor looks bad...
[11:01] <cjae> and it does let you choose different resolution?
[11:03] <jonah> cjae: it'll let me choose different ones, but they're all lower than the default it is supposed to run at which should be 2048x1152
[11:03] <cjae> http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=by3kytxduily5lqz8yqh.png
[11:03] <cjae> oic
[11:04] <jonah> cjae: hi thanks - I've also tried that, but again it offers 2048x1152 for the 1st monitor which is great but the second monitor only has lower resolutions
[11:06] <cjae> sorry I havent had to use xorg.conf for awhile. I would think you might have trouble finding help with it here too. since they are moving away from that standard
[11:07] <cjae> #xorg?
[11:08] <cjae> I am assumming that you know the system settings do nothing to the nvidia driver as well.
[11:09]  * cjae is surprised to see this
[11:11] <netrunner_> hallo
[11:12] <DRECKSACK> hallo
[11:15] <DRECKSACK> uiu
[11:16] <DRECKSACK> huiohuo
[11:16] <DRECKSACK> yyuigy
[11:16] <DRECKSACK> yugiy
[11:16] <DRECKSACK> ijohui
[11:16] <DRECKSACK> iu
[11:16] <FloodBotK1> DRECKSACK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:18] <DRECKSACK> byu
[11:19] <cjae> what is wromg with my desktop search 13.10 always idle
[11:21] <ichhens> lmksdngajhb
[11:21] <ichhens> +
[11:22] <cjae> man is google search crappy now
[11:26] <DRECKSACK> uhhi
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:47] <oscarr> BluesKaj: strange that noone is talking here
[12:47] <oscarr> what you think ?
[12:47] <oscarr> all are trying to get kubuntu working ... and has no time to talk ?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> lots of lurkers oscarr, but if you have a question about kubuntu , just ask
[12:48] <Tm_T> oh, this is not a chit chat channel, that's happening in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:51] <oscarr> BluesKaj: on my two machines on 13.10 i have strange KDE screen crashes ... black screen... with working windows .... but without of frames. it looks like windowdecorator and manager crashes how to check that ?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> oscarr, have you updated and upgraded lately ?
[12:55] <oscarr> yes
[12:57] <oscarr> i think it could be because of graphics driver ... im using nvidia driver ... not noveau
[12:59] <BluesKaj> graphics cards / drivers , sudo lshw -C video, look at the line configuration
[12:59] <yazeed> When I have upgraded to nvidia in kubuntu 13.10, the kubuntu splash no longer gets shown :|
[13:02] <yazeed> it basically misses the plymouth
[13:03] <BluesKaj> do you get the login screen right after grub ...faster boot?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> I was using the nouveau driver on 13.10 and it worked well ...installing the 319 driver now , we'll see if I have the dame problems , yazeed , oscarr
[13:09] <BluesKaj> same
[13:11] <fedor> Прмвет всем!
[13:11] <yazeed> BluesKaj, thanks :D i don't get the login screen right after grub, it just shows a stupid version of plymouth
[13:11] <BluesKaj> !ru | fedor
[13:12] <BluesKaj> think jockey is going to fail here , will have to do it vis cli or muon
[13:12] <BluesKaj> via
[13:14] <oscarr> BluesKaj: the problem popups sometimes .. probably is connected with Opengl ... because it popups sometimes when launching 3d game ... but not only ... sometimes im going away from kb .. and after hours .. when i coming back i have only black screen with mouse pointer.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> use xrandr with OpenGL , oscarr
[13:15] <BluesKaj> instead of native
[13:19] <BluesKaj> oscarr, which nvidia driver are you using ?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> oscarr,I have the 319 driver installed here , no problems so far
[13:21] <BluesKaj> installed it on the desktop ,this laptop uses intel
[13:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon.'
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader
[13:46] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, how are you doing?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> good thanks lordievader , and you ?
[13:47] <lordievader> Doing good, BluesKaj :)
[13:48] <monkeyjuice> you need to take this to offtopic ;) lol
[13:49] <BluesKaj> greetings are allowed
[13:50] <monkeyjuice> ok great
[13:58] <xixor> BluesKaj: dang, it's cold
[14:16] <gino_> ciao
[14:17] <gino_> atlas!
[14:17] <gino_> !atlas
[14:19] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: things seem alot better with kde
[14:19] <eagles0513875> but my questino is how do i know if nepomuk and konadi is working right as there were some dbg package dependency issue
[14:19] <eagles0513875> issues
[14:20] <lordievader> !it | gino_
[14:20] <BluesKaj> sorry eagles0513875, I don't use either one
[14:23] <BluesKaj> have them turned off in session management
[14:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am running kde from the kde ppa and i had some issues with the dbg packages and dependencies can anyone tell me if akonadi will still work from the ppa package if the dbg packages are not installed?
[14:26] <gino_> disney
[14:27] <gino_> hallo
[14:27] <gino_> isney!
[14:27] <gino_> disney!
[14:37] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Aren't the dbg packages debug packages?
[14:37] <eagles0513875> lordievader: i got a strange error in kmail about akonadi lets see if it will pop up again
[14:38] <eagles0513875> lordievader: seems fine now will let you know if it happens again
[14:39] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Note, I know nothing about akonadi/nepomuk/kmail. I don't think I'm the right guy to ask.
[14:39] <eagles0513875> lordievader: was asking the room in general
[14:40] <eagles0513875> lordievader: just so i understand backports are basically stable releases of lets say updated versions of kde etc
[14:40] <lordievader> eagles0513875: I was talking about your message at 15:38.
[14:40] <eagles0513875> ahh ok \
[14:41] <lordievader> eagles0513875: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backporting
[14:56] <eagles0513875> lordievader: solved the dependency issues with akonadi dbg stuff
[14:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm using 12.04. Has anyone updated KDE with the backport ppa?
[14:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't want to chance it, since things are pretty stable.
[15:03] <eagles0513875> Poisoned_Dragon: im on 13.10 and i just updated it to the ppa version and things really improved for me was having alot of issues with the default 13.10 version
[15:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> What version is KDE in 13.10?
[15:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> 12.04 is 4.8.x
[15:15] <eagles0513875> !kde
[15:16] <eagles0513875> Poisoned_Dragon: not sure but the latest version in the ppa is 4.12
[15:16] <eagles0513875> Poisoned_Dragon: it was 4.11
[15:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ah, gotcha.
[15:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> 4.11 was that buggy?
[15:17] <eagles0513875> Poisoned_Dragon: on this laptop yes
[15:17] <eagles0513875> im finding 12 more stable tbh
[15:18] <eagles0513875> lots of issues i was seeing arent occuring
[15:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Maybe I should chance it. I do get crashes with KDE on certain tasks.
[15:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> Repeatable but, not crippling.
[15:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> nothing a reboot command in terminal can't fix.
[15:19] <eagles0513875> Poisoned_Dragon: maybe so but it was issues not really with stability for me but apps not doing as they should
[15:20] <eagles0513875> kmail after a while wouldnt open emails for me sometimes closing and reopening would fix it but other times it wouldnt
[15:20] <eagles0513875> i would have to elave it closed for some time first then open it again
[15:20] <eagles0513875> Poisoned_Dragon: i don tthink anything would make the backports repo unless it was stable
[15:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Meh, I would have purged kmail for thunderbird. :)
[15:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> As it is, rekonq is gone.
[15:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> oops... this is drifting to off-topic.
[16:08] <rberg>  anybody here know how to prevent notifications from stealing focus? I have stealing prevention set to high already, but quassel and kmail notifications still steal focus
[16:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> just those 2?
[16:10] <rberg> probably more, but those are the 2 I get a lot of notifications from
[16:14] <rberg> in "edit window-specific settings" what type of window would a notification be? Dialog?
[16:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... not sure. Still a little green with KDE.
[16:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm usually an xfce guy.
[16:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Also, I don't use Quassel. And I'm tempted to purge kmail
[16:25] <rberg> Poisoned_Dragon: some times I find restarting akonadi helps when kmail gets weird
[16:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I like my thunderbird. :(
[16:28] <rberg>  ohh I may have missed some of that conversation
[16:58] <drecksack> cdsc
[17:02] <drecksack> rth
[18:40] <m_tadeu> hi...after installing the nvidia drivers, all fonts got really small....how to solve this?
[18:44] <soee_> m_tadeu: resolution change or font size changed ?
[18:50] <m_tadeu> soee_: the resolution is the same....the fonts that show up are really really small
[18:55] <rberg> m_tadeu: what does X think is your displays DPI? run 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution'
[18:56] <rberg> last time I had that problem was a long time ago, I had to force the dpi setting for X
[18:59] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[18:59] <rberg> m_tadeu: also hold ctrl and mouse wheel up will often increase your font size..  you may need to do that to read the output of the command above
[19:09] <m_tadeu> ok...fixed by adding Options "DPI" "96x96" in xorg.conf
[19:10] <m_tadeu> now another detail arises to fix....font anti-aliasing doesn't seem to be working, so fonts look really "squary"
[19:10] <Simone> hello
[19:10] <Simone> i'm installing kubuntu!
[19:11] <Simone> can i install chrome?
[19:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is there a way to reduce the brightness of video overlay globaly?
[19:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> *globally
[19:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Videos look brigher in local players but appear normal in flash.
[19:30] <rerf> vmfd
[19:31] <rerf> гы
[19:31] <rerf> аоххахоадвы
[19:31] <rerf> jklfdsa;fdkl
[19:31] <FloodBotK1> rerf: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> I know I can adjust it in player, but it seems like a system setting.
[19:31] <rerf> i don't know english, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111
[19:31]  * Poisoned_Dragon facepalms.
[19:32] <Unit193> !ru | rerf
[19:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, ok... the problem isn't brightness. The video overlay is over saturated.
[19:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> I can drop the saturation in player. but, is there a global xorg or kde setting for that?
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh, it's both. :)
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh well... I fixed it in my video player options. I can deal...
[20:31] <eagles0513875> hey all
[20:32] <eagles0513875> lordievader: well i cant be happier now :)
[20:58] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, other than the track/touchpad what else does the project neon kde version do for you?
[20:59] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: somehow i get a higher resolution then on kde version taht is released and in ppa
[20:59] <eagles0513875> also i can adjust the resolution which i cannot do in system settings on the kubuntu versions
[21:00] <BluesKaj> really? I have several resolutions available and it's not a fancy graphics card
[21:01] <BluesKaj> of course the top one is 1366x768
[21:03] <BluesKaj> altho the HDMI out provides 1920x1080 on the TV
[21:03] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i have no resolutions
[21:03] <eagles0513875> i need to test if i can output to a 2nd monitor
[21:03] <eagles0513875> as that wasnt working
[21:04] <BluesKaj> what's the graphics card and driver?
[21:06] <xixor> so much of that is driver dependent
[21:52] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i think its an intel one
[21:52] <eagles0513875> ya intel actually
[22:09] <BluesKaj> i915 driver? , lspci -k |grep -A 2 VGA
[22:09] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875,^
[22:10] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) that is what my graphics is so i have no idea what model
[22:12] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, did you run the command above ? , you should see the driver in the list
[22:12] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)         Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device fa82 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
[22:12] <eagles0513875> thats all that comes up BluesKaj
[22:13] <BluesKaj> ok , that's strange
[22:14] <BluesKaj> well, gotta go ..later
[22:14] <eagles0513875> ya so i am not totally sure what i have
[22:34] <ChogyDan> what is the "proper" way to install restricted nvidia drivers?
[22:40] <soee> ChogyDan: you can use Additional Display Driver to activate them
[22:41] <wafflejock> yeah believe System -> Additional Drivers in Kubuntu
[22:46] <ChogyDan> ok, I found it, thanks folks


[00:52] <remline> Several times, I have applications running (I see them in the 'Alt-Tab' list), but they don't render on the screen when I activate them.
[00:53] <remline> As an example, I switch to 'Document Viewer', I see 'Document Viewer' in the upper-left corner, but when I click there it gives me the option to 'Open' the program... which I think is already open...
[00:57] <georgeowell> What version are you on? 14.04 or 14.10?
[01:14] <remline> 14.04
[12:34] <ctwx> I added a .desktop file to my ~/.local/share/applications folder. I can't start the program using the activities overlay. Is there any way to reload the applications folder?
[12:35] <ctwx> oh... I didnt try ALT+F2 -> "r" so far... Now it works. Thanks anyway. :)
[16:32] <melodie> hi
[16:34] <melodie> I tried to start this version of Ubuntu Gnome: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/trusty/daily-live/current/ amd64 in Virtualbox, and it stalls stating it has detected only a i686 CPU. I am very sure the CPU of my host is a x86_64 (I built the tower myself). Could the problem come from Virtualbox?
[21:18] <aki237> Is there any way to add a NERDTree(vim plugin) like plugin for gnome-terminal
[23:48] <manokara> Hi, is there a way to read dmesg content in realtime?
[23:48] <manokara> i'm having kernel panics very often and want to find the reason why
[23:53] <manokara> well nevermind, i found how. But does anyone here have heard of kernel panics in 14.10 with nvidia proprietary drivers? It all started for me after the last kernel updates
[23:53] <manokara> sometimes it just freezes and caps lock and scroll lock start to blink


[04:43] <tgm4883> Is there currently an issue with revu? I've uploaded a package to revu a few hours ago yet I don't have any email stating it was uploaded nor does it show up under my revu profile. I didn't receive any error messages when I uploaded it. The package I uploaded was mythbuntu-bare
[04:57] <ajmitch> tgm4883: had you logged into revu prior to uploading?
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:48] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:48]  * nigelb waves to ajmitch
[06:48] <philipballew> good night in california dholbach !
[06:48] <ajmitch> & hi nigelb
[06:49] <dholbach> hey ajmitch, philipballew :)
[06:49] <geser> good morning
[09:29] <dholbach> bdrung, Laney, tumbleweed: do you think you can help out with the open packaging guide mps?
[09:29] <dholbach> there's some that have been sitting around for a while already and it'd be good to get a second opinion :)
[09:42] <Laney> dholbach: yeah, ok, looking at the retheming quickly
[09:42] <dholbach> sweet
[09:42] <dholbach> it's not as bad as it looks, I did a quick analysis of the actual diff in my comment
[09:43] <Laney> yeah
[09:53] <Laney> et voila
[09:55] <dholbach> thanks
[09:55] <dholbach> I added a few small bits as well
[09:58] <tumbleweed> Laney: the ¶ is normally visible on hover
[09:58] <Laney> not for me
[09:58] <tumbleweed> ah I haven't looked at the rendering yet
[09:58] <dholbach> Laney, can you see it here: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/getting-set-up.html?
[09:59] <dholbach> (I can)
[09:59] <Laney> that one does require me to hover
[09:59] <Laney> what is the point of that?
[09:59] <tumbleweed> nafc, it's just default sphinx styling
[09:59] <dholbach> but I agree that it'd be nice to have it less visible - it gives you a permalink for the specific anchor
[09:59] <dholbach> less prominent, I mean
[10:00] <Laney> aha
[10:28] <bdrung> dholbach: should we use version numbers instead of codenames in the packaging guide?
[10:30] <dholbach> bdrung, I don't know
[10:40] <geser> what about mentioning both like "oneiric (11.10)"? as a dev I'm more used to codenames and have always trouble when somebody only mentions the version to map it back to its codename
[12:27] <bdrung> dholbach: what do you think about https://code.launchpad.net/~bdrung/ubuntu-packaging-guide/fix-name/+merge/68372
[12:36] <bdrung> dholbach: shouldn't the sponsor do the merge?
[12:37] <dholbach> it doesn't matter
[12:38] <dholbach> but if you want, I can do it
[12:38] <bdrung> dholbach: please :)
[12:40] <dholbach> done
[12:40] <dholbach> → taking the dog for a walk
[12:40] <bdrung> have fun
[12:40]  * tumbleweed finishes fighting a dodgy adsl line
[12:40] <tumbleweed> turns out a phone cable I crimped was at fault :/
[12:57] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: can you ack 812880 please
[13:04] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: looks like bdrung beat me :)
[13:05] <jtaylor> :O
[13:06]  * bdrung is faster than tumbleweed. :P
[13:07]  * tumbleweed might have also been hiding for a few days
[13:58] <oier> is anybody up for reviewing indicator-bug? Thanks to jtaylor I think that the package looks quite good, I would love it if some motu could help me by reviewing and eventually uploading it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9151
[14:29] <dupondje> dh_installdocs --all AUTHORS NEWS README
[14:29] <dupondje> cp: not writing through dangling symlink `debian/openmpi-bin/usr/share/doc/openmpi-bin/AUTHORS'
[14:29] <dupondje> dh_installdocs: cp -a AUTHORS debian/openmpi-bin/usr/share/doc/openmpi-bin returned exit code 1
[14:29] <dupondje> Whats exactly the cause of this failure?
[15:04] <tgm4883> ajmitch, Not recently, last time I uploaded was in 2009
[23:10] <alex-weej42174> python-django is old and unsupported on 10.04 LTS... is there some semi official way to track currently supported versions?
[23:10] <alex-weej42174> i don't want my stable server to get hacked by rupert murdoch
[23:14] <alex-weej42174> there are some backports on launchpad i see
[23:14] <alex-weej42174> but i have no idea who to trust...


[10:40] <ricotz> hello ubuntu-release, while the python transition doesn't seem to get finished soon, I want to upload yet another new libreoffice upstream release which will take at least a day to finish
[10:43] <ginggs> ricotz: i don't think python3-defaults will be ready sooner than that, so go ahead
[10:45] <ricotz> ginggs, alright, thanks!
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (jammy-proposed) [20230808.00-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[11:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (focal-proposed) [20230808.00-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[12:05] <fossfreedom_> ubuntu-release - can I please ask when does the debian autosync run for noble?  I was expecting budgie-session which last week was released from new to debian unstable to hopefully be sync'd to noble.  TIA
[12:12] <ginggs> fossfreedom_: autosync is currently disabled to help with perl/python/ruby migration
[12:12] <fossfreedom_> ah. makes sense.  cheers
[12:23] <utkarsh2102> fossfreedom_: do you have enuf powers to sync the package manually? or I can help you with that if you need.
[12:49] <fossfreedom_> thx - budgie-session isn't in our packageset so I can't sync currently.  There isn't a rush (as such) ... as long as its in before freeze!  The Q was more of a query since I was a little surprise with the lack of stuff appearing.  Now understand why.
[12:54] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I uploaded a lirc upload to sid, and then I uploaded again in experimental with time64_t changes on top, please let me know if I did a mistake or not
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, also libfilezilla :/
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> also, merge-o-matic is not updated...
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, ^^ not sure if you still follow it
[13:23] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: I don't, and I have no access to it any more.  Try bdmurray maybe
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: u-boot-s32 (noble-proposed/primary) [2022.04-bsp37.0-0ubuntu1]
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sysdig (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.27.1-0.3ubuntu0.2 => 0.27.1-0.3ubuntu0.3] (kernel-dkms)
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openldap (jammy-proposed/main) [2.5.16+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.5.17+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: autopkgtest (jammy-proposed/main) [5.28ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 5.32ubuntu3~22.04.1] (core)
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: autopkgtest (mantic-proposed/main) [5.28ubuntu1 => 5.32ubuntu3~23.10.1] (core)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ipp-crypto (noble-proposed/primary) [2021.10.0-0ubuntu1]
[17:58] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg: On mom there was a lock file leftover from the outage last week. I've removed it now so things should get better real soon now.
[18:00] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[18:01] <LocutusOfBorg> I saw it few days ago, but didn't want to report to avoid bothering people already working on it
[18:08] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg: there are currently very few people with access to it so please just ping
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: I have a package intended for Edubuntu this cycle in the source:NEW queue called 'gradebook' that needs a review and ack. Sitting for about a week. While I realize there are others in the queue, we need to get this sorted in the app overview.
[20:47] <seb128> Eickmeyer, accepted, it was an easy one to review
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> seb128: Thanks! Yeah, not easy to package, but I wanted to make it easy for the reviewer. :)
[20:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gradebook [source] (noble-proposed) [1.2-0ubuntu1]
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradebook [amd64] (noble-proposed/none) [1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradebook [armhf] (noble-proposed/none) [1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradebook [arm64] (noble-proposed/none) [1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradebook [s390x] (noble-proposed/none) [1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradebook [ppc64el] (noble-proposed/none) [1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradebook [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: autopkgtest (jammy-proposed/main) [5.28ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 5.32ubuntu3~22.04.1] (core)
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: autopkgtest (jammy-proposed/main) [5.28ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 5.32ubuntu3~22.04.1] (core)
[21:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sagemath (mantic-proposed/universe) [9.5-6 => 9.5-6ubuntu1] (no packageset)


[09:03] <kim0> Morning folks
[12:18] <hazmat> kim0, g'morning
[12:46] <_mup_> Bug #750193 was filed: unit state api for formula upgrade flag <Ensemble:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/750193 >
[12:49] <_mup_> ensemble/service-unit-state-upgrade-support r189 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:49] <_mup_> verify set and clear can be used multiple times.
[13:43] <niemeyer> Good morning!
[13:43] <niemeyer> Strange.. chat.freenode.net seems to not work on port 7000 for SSL right now
[13:43] <niemeyer> Had to connect to 7070
[15:01] <_mup_> ensemble/formula-upgrade-cli r190 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:01] <_mup_> wire in formula upgrade command, use updated upgrade api.
[15:03] <_mup_> Bug #750304 was filed: formula-upgrade command is needed <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/750304 >
[15:06] <niemeyer> hazmat: Good morning
[15:06] <hazmat> niemeyer, i've had all kinds of problems with freenode this past week..
[15:06] <hazmat> niemeyer, seems to require sasl for me
[15:06] <hazmat> on certain mobile networks, but really none of the clients seem to have good sasl support.. i'm trying a perl script which purports to support it, except deb/ubuntu packaging of xchat prevents it from working :-(
[15:06] <hazmat> niemeyer, g'morning :-)
[15:07] <niemeyer> hazmat: It seems to have worked to simply switch to port 7070 somehow
[15:07] <niemeyer> hazmat: How're things going?
[15:10] <hazmat> niemeyer, okay.. kinda of slow for me last week, ben and i did some cross reviews on specs which was good, jim had a short week for vacation, i've been doing some hacking on upgrades over the weekend, as i'm going to have a slightly short day today since i'm flying home
[15:10] <hazmat> niemeyer, the review queue is bursting
[15:11] <niemeyer> hazmat: Expected.. I'll catch up with it in the next couple of days
[15:11] <hazmat> niemeyer, also ran into an issue with your suggestion regarding multi-user screen sessions, as it require suid screen support
[15:11] <niemeyer> hazmat: Feels great, though.. some good activity has happened
[15:11] <hazmat> i'd rather just use sudo
[15:12] <niemeyer> hazmat: Cool, sounds fine
[15:12] <hazmat> cool
[15:12] <hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. overall it seems like we had some good activity, lots of movement on lots of bits
[15:12] <hazmat> i'm still holding off on merging the formula upgrade spec, till i get a last review from jim, but else its good
[15:13] <niemeyer> hazmat: Cool
[15:13] <hazmat> niemeyer, i had some questions regarding service config metadata and getting some additional stuff in there for ui display and validation.. it would be nice to cover in our standup
[15:13] <niemeyer> hazmat: Have you had a chance to give Jim's branches a look while he was working on them?
[15:14] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ah, sounds good
[15:14] <hazmat> niemeyer, i'm also a little wary of the expose spec atm, as noted in review, also nice to cover in standup
[15:14] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ok
[15:15] <hazmat> perhaps we can do the standup a little earlier today to cover the extra items
[15:15] <hazmat> i've got to catch flight out at the tail end of it
[15:15] <hazmat> assuming it goes an extra hr.
[15:16] <hazmat> niemeyer, how was the vacation?
[15:16] <niemeyer> hazmat: Early stand up sounds good
[15:16] <niemeyer> hazmat: It was amazing indeed
[15:16] <niemeyer> hazmat: We went to some paradisiac locations
[15:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: Some natural sea pools
[15:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: Got the US visa too.. they were waiting for us at home when we came back :)
[15:17] <niemeyer> 10 years too, which is awesome
[15:20] <hazmat> niemeyer, nice.. they never called fwiw
[15:22] <hazmat> niemeyer, i had a look at the some of jim's branches, and offered some input on approach before he started.. i'm happy with them, haven't done full reviews on them yet
[15:23] <niemeyer> hazmat: The interview was quite straightforward, luckily
[15:23] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ok, I can do a first pass, and depending on how it goes I may add you for a final review if that's ok
[15:24] <hazmat> niemeyer, cool.. i imagine they could be stressful.. but at this point.. your a regular
[15:30] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good
[15:32] <hazmat> niemeyer, i was also thinking we should start in on blueprints usage for ensemble.. it covers our feature development pretty nicely.. ordered sets of bug reports and branches.
[15:33] <hazmat> only caveat is linking to the feature-spec branch vs. linking to it on trunk.. but i think that's pretty minor
[15:43] <niemeyer> hazmat: How do you think we might use them?
[15:46] <hazmat> niemeyer, as artifacts for feature against a release, with links to specs, and relevant bugs against the feature
[15:47] <hazmat> effectively how they were intended to be use afaik
[15:48] <niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds good.. the organization would indeed be nice.  Hopefully this won't increase too much the boilerplate we have to go through
[15:53] <hazmat> niemeyer, true.. if need be we can do some automation against lp.. although what and how isn't clear to me atm having not used blueprints yet, most of the work afaics is just attaching the bug reports. but it would be nice to get into the practice of spec'ing all the bug reports against a feature from the start for the blueprint process
[16:00] <niemeyer> hazmat: *All* of them is probably too much
[16:00] <niemeyer> hazmat: There are lots of independent things we do on each cycle
[16:00] <niemeyer> hazmat: But for big features, would be cool
[16:04] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-hook-scope-guard r209 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:04] <_mup_> merge trunk, resolve conflicts
[16:05] <hazmat> niemeyer, true.. not saying everything needs one.. but upgrades, expose, service-config, dependency res are the main features for our current cycle that could get blueprints
[16:05] <jimbaker`> good morning - vacation was great, fantastic skiing with my kids
[16:06] <hazmat> ie. multi-branch work
[16:06] <jimbaker`> and now time to catch up :)
[16:06] <hazmat> jimbaker`, nice
[16:07] <niemeyer> hazmat: Cool
[16:07] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Good morning, and welcome back
[16:07] <jimbaker`> my daughter did her first waist-deep powder skiing, my son his first double black run
[16:08] <niemeyer> Hmmm.. must file expense for the last few months
[16:09] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, same with me... fortunately not too much of a backlog, just some per diem + aws
[16:09] <niemeyer> What was the perdiem there again?
[16:09] <niemeyer> per diem
[16:10] <jimbaker`> Dinner per diem is 150ZAR
[16:13] <hazmat> we had a few group dinners
[16:13] <hazmat> wish shouldn't be counted as they where expensed via corporate card
[16:15] <niemeyer> Indeed.. how many where them?
[16:15] <niemeyer> were
[16:15] <niemeyer> I recall.. 1?
[16:15] <jimbaker`> i believe it was tues, thur, fri for me
[16:17] <niemeyer> The corporate dinners?  I only recall the one we drove up to that nice place outside
[16:17] <niemeyer> Were there any other?
[16:17] <niemeyer> others
[16:21]  * niemeyer => lunch
[16:26] <hazmat> niemeyer_lunch, not that you where at as i recall
[16:27] <hazmat> i think there was one thursday downtown in the city, and one friday at the winery in addition to the corporate dinner on tuesday
[16:27] <hazmat> s/downtown/seaside
[16:28] <hazmat> jimbaker`, do you remember where the dinner on tuesday was?
[16:28] <hazmat> i'm trying to remember if was the italian place downtown, when clint and i segwayed into the belgium place for nice beer ;-)
[16:54] <niemeyer_lunch> Okay, I think the expense report is ready
[17:36] <niemeyer> Ok, I'm done with the receipt delivery marathon.. I'll step out for a moment.
[17:40] <hazmat> bcsaller, jimbaker` .. i wanted to see if we could start our standup a little bit earlier today, i suspect will go a bit longer, to catch up on items. i was thinking about 30m early. i've got to roll to catch a plane an hr after the normally scheduled standup
[17:40] <jimbaker`> hazmat, that
[17:40] <jimbaker`> is fine with me
[17:45] <_mup_> ensemble/unit-agent-formula-upgrade r190 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:45] <_mup_> unit agent formula upgrade support
[17:47] <bcsaller> hazmat: thats fine with me
[18:00] <hazmat> i'm wondering if after an upgrade from a pre-existing error state, we should automatically attempt a retry to proceed to the final state the error was as a result of trying to reach
[18:02] <_mup_> Bug #750483 was filed: unit agent needs to support upgrades <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/750483 >
[18:31] <jimbaker`> bcsaller, hazmat - standup?
[18:31] <bcsaller> I'm ready
[18:31] <jimbaker`> looks like niemeyer is not here, still having trouble i guess connecting to freenode
[18:32] <hazmat> jimbaker`, yeah.. i'm talking with on canonical irc
[18:32] <hazmat> jimbaker`, are you online re skype?
[18:32] <jimbaker`> hazmat, indeed
[18:32] <jimbaker`> hazmat, yes on skype
[19:32] <niemeyer> relation-set port=[1,2,3]
[19:32] <niemeyer> relation-get port
[19:32] <niemeyer> => "[1,2,3]"
[19:33] <niemeyer> => "1 2 3"
[19:34] <niemeyer> config-get my-setting
[19:36] <niemeyer> for a in $VALUE
[19:37] <niemeyer> config-get something
[19:39] <niemeyer> ensemble set key=value
[19:40] <hazmat> ensemble set < foobar-config.yaml
[19:40] <niemeyer> ensemble set user=a pwd=b
[19:43] <hazmat> niemeyer, network/skype?
[19:50] <niemeyer_> Oh, cheers everyone else I guess.. he was the host :-)
[20:05] <niemeyer> Oh my :(
[20:05] <niemeyer> Network is super flaky here
[20:05] <bcsaller> :(
[20:08] <niemeyer> So, where do we find details for ugprading to natty
[20:09]  * niemeyer wondering if at this point upgrade-manager is fine by itself
[20:12] <niemeyer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades
[20:14] <bcsaller> upgrade-manager worked for me.
[20:16] <niemeyer> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[20:16] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Are you on natty already?
[20:16] <bcsaller> yeah, as of last week
[20:16] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Ah, sweet
[20:16] <niemeyer> bcsaller: How's it going?
[20:16] <bcsaller> when the beta came out, when ever that was
[20:17] <bcsaller> I'm not using unity so very little has changed. Some packages were misbehaving but its mostly sorted now
[20:18] <bcsaller> I guess the biggest dev change is the python 2.7 switch, but even with that very little changed, I only needed to pull in two packages before everything was working again
[20:42] <niemeyer> Oh my
[20:42] <niemeyer> (resending) bcsaller: Neat, so does that mean Ensemble is pretty much cool with 2.7?
[20:43] <bcsaller> seems fine, yeah
[20:43] <bcsaller> tests run w/o issue for me
[20:59]  * hazmat digs free airport wifi
[21:18] <hazmat> bcsaller, you've been running natty?
[21:18] <bcsaller> just for a few days, but yeah
[21:21] <hazmat> bcsaller, any problems?
[21:21] <bcsaller> hazmat: nothing serious, when I first upgraded compiz was crashing a bit, but it seems resolved now
[21:21] <hazmat> looks like the landscape team just picked up 3 people
[21:22] <hazmat> bcsaller, cool... i'll give it a whirl this evening
[21:23] <bcsaller> hazmat: not using Unity either though
[21:24] <hazmat> yeah.. i might give it a whirl.. i'm thinking my little ec2 indicator might do better as a unity plugin, or at least offer more options that way
[21:24] <hazmat> whirl.. nice word that ;-)
[21:49] <niemeyer> Upgrade rolling.. will get some coffee
[22:45] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Have you had any failure related to ubuntu-desktop?
[22:48] <bcsaller> gustavo: it just died on me, but the package, no
[22:50] <niemeyer> It's taking forever and failing with an error about ubuntu-desktop :-(
[23:10] <niemeyer> Ok, working now
[23:10] <niemeyer> Had something pinned
[23:56] <niemeyer> Installing.. wish me luck