[00:00] <Semper> cheers john_john
[00:00] <Semper> I am right in thinking that only root and admin can read those files it seems.
[00:00] <smaudet> CADRE: ok its just a straight up exectuable
[00:01] <smaudet> CADRE: open a terminal
[00:01] <CADRE> Got one open now
[00:01] <Semper> I just haven't needed to tinker with folder and file perms like that before.
[00:01] <smaudet> CADRE: navigate to the directory where it (true crypt) was extracted
[00:01] <CADRE> That's what, cd /Home?
[00:01] <smaudet> and run ./truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64
[00:01] <Semper> smaudet, they just packaging the entire program now?
[00:01] <Semper> dayum
[00:01] <smaudet> Semper: its got a UI installer
[00:01] <CADRE> I am a scrub, you see, when it comes to the terminal
[00:02] <Semper> oh lawdy
[00:02] <Semper> it has been a while since I installed then
[00:02] <Semper> also, arch linux, what you gonna do...
[00:02] <smaudet> Semper: not a very nice one, they're using X to keep the dependencies down
[00:02] <Semper> CADRE, what do you need truecrypt for?
[00:02] <Semper> dropbox?
[00:02] <smaudet> Semper: better question, what wouldn't you need TC for
[00:03] <CADRE> I'M EDWARD SNOWDEN
[00:03] <Semper> Well, I use encrypted LUKS
[00:03] <smaudet> Psh
[00:03] <CADRE> No but for real it's just
[00:03] <Semper> and encfs for dropbox
[00:03] <Semper> encfs is far superior for cloud storage
[00:03] <CADRE> Building smart habits
[00:03] <CADRE> Nothing special
[00:03] <smaudet> Semper: right, but LUKS is not cross platform
[00:03] <CADRE> Anyhow what's the cd command to navigate to folders again...
[00:03] <Semper> Well that's not really relevant for a full filesystem encryption though smaudet
[00:04] <Semper> :P
[00:04] <CADRE> Oh there we go
[00:04] <smaudet> Semper: he's already running Ubuntu, he probably doesn't want to run full file system encryption
[00:04] <smaudet> Anyways you already get home directory encryption as an option in Ubuntu
[00:04] <Semper> True enough I was just saying what I use ;P
[00:04] <smaudet> At least last time I installed
[00:05] <Semper> yes
[00:05] <Semper> they also offer full LVM LUKS with ubuntu now too
[00:05] <Rookie407> hello all
[00:05] <smaudet> Semper: sure, I don't care what/whether you use whatever, you were asking him as if there was a reason not to.
[00:05] <Semper> CADRE I suggest encfs for any cloud storage
[00:05]  * smaudet is /done with discussion
[00:06] <Rookie407> wondering if someone could shed some light on getting graphics drivers to work i seem to have gotten into a loop
[00:06] <hayer> Is there any application that can show stats(temp, load, mem usage, etc) on a website for remote servers?
[00:06] <Semper> it will save absolute heaps of bandwidth compared to truecrypt
[00:06] <Semper> huh?
[00:06] <Semper> I said what for, not if there was a reason not to?
[00:06] <smaudet> Semper: it was implied, anyways I'm not interested, I have nothing against luks
[00:06] <smaudet> :)
[00:06] <CADRE> Well I'm in the /home folder now
[00:06] <smaudet> Moving on
[00:06] <Rookie407> $ sudo dpkg -i nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb
[00:06] <Rookie407> (Reading database ... 208106 files and directories currently installed.)
[00:06] <Rookie407> Preparing to replace nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx 173.14.37-1 (using nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb) ...
[00:06] <Rookie407> Unpacking replacement nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx ...
[00:06] <Rookie407> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx:
[00:06] <FloodBot1> Rookie407: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:06] <Rookie407>  nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx depends on nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx; however:
[00:07] <CADRE> So what's the command to run this file again
[00:07] <Semper> Rookie407, use pastebin
[00:07] <smaudet> !pastebin | ubottu
[00:07] <smaudet> !pastebin | Rookie407
[00:07] <Semper> I implied if there was a reason not to what? I don't follow?
[00:08] <smaudet> Semper: great, there's nothing to discuss then
[00:08] <smaudet> dun wurry about it :)
[00:08] <Rookie407> anywho since the damage is already done can anyone take a look at the multi line post and help me out
[00:08] <smaudet> Rookie407: pastebinit and re-ask
[00:09] <Semper> It got cut off before the important part ;)
[00:09] <veryhappy> hey guys, someone know a way to make zsh automatically launch its suggestions while typing like in an ide for programming?
[00:09] <ATC243750496> hi
[00:09] <veryhappy> let's say auto content assist for zsh
[00:10] <smaudet> veryhappy: its called tab?
[00:10] <ATC243750496> why the background of nautilus in ubuntu in not white in default
[00:10] <smaudet> veryhappy: if you want a drop down menu, sorry I don't know if that exists
[00:10] <veryhappy> smaudet: not tab, AUTO complete
[00:10] <ATC243750496> can i change it to another color?
[00:11] <smaudet> veryhappy: don't know if it exists, how would you implement that if you wrote it?
[00:11] <Rookie407> http://pastebin.com/fBEt5dsi
[00:11] <veryhappy> smaudet: read properly dude, a simple way to make the suggestions that i already become simply show up automatically, nothing more.
[00:11] <veryhappy> sorry i mean get
[00:11] <smaudet> veryhappy: be civil 'dude'
[00:11] <veryhappy> smaudet :D
[00:12] <smaudet> veryhappy: and read properly, I asked you a question
[00:12] <Mark-Potter> bye
[00:12] <Rookie407> anyone
[00:13] <ATC243750496> why the background of nautilus in ubuntu in not white in default
[00:13] <whiptail> hmm
[00:13] <ATC243750496> i am in fedora
[00:13] <ATC243750496> and installed nautilus
[00:13] <veryhappy> smaudet: i would make autocompletion impelement as a function that auto completes as soon as the command fits unique
[00:13] <Semper> that pastebin loading for everyone?
[00:13] <ATC243750496> it's background color is white looked ugly
[00:13] <Semper> oh its just spr slow
[00:13] <ATC243750496> how can i change it
[00:13] <Semper> Rookie407, try apt-get install -f
[00:14] <Semper> sudo on the front
[00:14] <varunendra> ATC243750496, didn't you 'like' the same thing in Ubuntu? And did you try #fedora ?
[00:15] <Rookie407> http://pastebin.com/fBEt5dsi can anyone help me figure this out please im sooo new to ubuntu
[00:15] <smaudet> veryhappy: ok, so now, go write that :) Again, I don't know of any program that does it. If you find one or write one, let me know.
[00:15] <Rookie407> been at this for 4 days now
[00:15] <Semper> Rookie407, try apt-get install -f
[00:15] <Semper> sudo on the front
[00:15] <veryhappy> smaudet: ok
[00:16] <veryhappy> smaudet but what way could i use to distribute it
[00:16] <Semper> veryhappy, so you want what tab does already?
[00:16] <Semper> except it to auto whack tab after each keystroke
[00:16] <Rookie407> ok that removed two files
[00:16] <smaudet> Semper: no, tab pulls up a list of suggestions
[00:16] <Semper> true that
[00:16] <Hexagonite> How do you stop Ubuntu from logging you out when you suspend it for a long time?
[00:16] <Semper> though I was thinking on unique it fills
[00:16] <veryhappy> Semper: well, in eclipse i get with every type suggestions
[00:16] <smaudet> Semper: he wants it only to occur when the command is unique withing a given path
[00:16] <sarnold> hey, does this look familiar to anyone? "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package `humanity-icon-theme' contains empty filename" http://paste.ubuntu.com/6072727/
[00:16] <smaudet> within*
[00:16] <Semper> interesting, I have no idea.
[00:17] <Semper> Rookie407, what was the output of that?
[00:17] <varunendra> Hexagonite, log out or just Lock Screen?
[00:17] <veryhappy> ok so you guys, my idea was perhaps to make suggestions show up on each keystroke until a command is unique enough to auto complete
[00:17] <smaudet> veryhappy: github, launchpad, submit it to the debian developers, add it to your favorate Term Emu as a plugin
[00:17] <Semper> sarnold, check if the file download isn't corrupt
[00:17] <veryhappy> guess that would save lots of time dont you think
[00:17] <Hexagonite> varunendra: It fully logs you out, meaning, you're in LightDM after stopping the suspension
[00:17] <veryhappy> ok
[00:18] <smaudet> veryhappy: or you could write a bash script and try to submit it to the ubuntu community
[00:18] <smaudet> !dev | veryhappy
[00:18] <Semper> or debian ;)
[00:18] <veryhappy> thank you guys, smaudet: sorry for the "dude" :D
[00:18] <sarnold> Semper: I deleted all my debs and lists after getting it once, that's the second time..
[00:18] <Rookie407> Semper, it removed nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx and nvidia-alternatives
[00:18] <veryhappy> take care
[00:18] <Semper> check if the md5 matches
[00:18] <varunendra> Hexagonite, you mean all your open programs are closed when you log back in? That's not normal.
[00:18] <Semper> huh, Rookie407 I wouldn't have expected that
[00:19] <Semper> try to re install it from the start again
[00:19] <Hexagonite> varunendra: it's not? :S
[00:19] <Rookie407> got alternatives to install
[00:19] <smaudet> veryhappy, np
[00:19] <Hexagonite> varunendra: happens only when using 12.04
[00:19] <sarnold> Hexagonite: I suspend for days at a go without issue -- is your machine plugged in while suspended? you've only got a few days before the battery will be dead
[00:20] <sarnold> Hexagonite: battery is required to keep the memory refreshed when you suspend to ram
[00:20] <varunendra> Hexagonite, doesn't happen here. Or maybe I never tried that long enough. But that obviously would be an undesired behaviour. I'm on 12.04 too. (Didn't update for months though)
[00:20] <Rookie407> Semper, cant get the nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx to install now gives me 'dpkg: error processing nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb (--install): installing nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx would break nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
[00:20] <Hexagonite> sarnold: it's fully charged when I suspend it, one time, I came back to see it half charged
[00:20] <dtcrshr> I want to install the nvidia experimental drivers, which arent appearing on my adittional drivers. HOw do I add them to the repos?
[00:20] <Semper> try deconfigure as it said
[00:20] <Semper> if that doesnt work
[00:20] <Semper> purge the entire package and re install
[00:21] <Rookie407> not sure how to do that only been on linux for a week
[00:21] <Rookie407> 4 days spent trying to get these drivers to work right
[00:21] <Rookie407> atm i have no unity
[00:21] <Semper> if you're in ubuntu can you not get the nvidia drivers from the restricted packages?
[00:22] <Semper> I'm guessing it wants
[00:22] <Rookie407> no i have an old card which requires legacy drivers
[00:22] <varunendra> Hexagonite, how much RAM and swap do you have? And Ubuntu 32 bit or 64?
[00:22] <Semper> apt-get  --auto-deconfigure
[00:22] <Rookie407> i downloaded them from synaptic
[00:22] <Semper> apt-get install --auto-deconfigure
[00:23] <Rookie407> command line option not understood
[00:23] <Hexagonite> varunendra: 1.7GB (256MB used by graphics); swap is 4GB, I think; 64-bit
[00:23] <Semper> are you installing alternative first?
[00:23] <Rookie407> its already installed
[00:23] <varunendra> That's good enough, Hexagonite :|
[00:23] <Rookie407> trying to isntall the settings now
[00:24] <subcool> could i have a mini amount of help. My server has been acting up and freezing. WHich log file do i view to see the error that occured
[00:25] <l9> subcool start with dmesg
[00:25] <subcool> 19 doesnt dmesg clear during restart
[00:26] <sarnold> Semper: ha, looks like local disk corruption, /var/lib/dpkg/info/humanity-icon-theme.list is blown to pieces: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6072747/
[00:26] <smaudet> Rookie407 - are you comfortable with VT?
[00:26] <Semper> sounds to me like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688754
[00:26] <Rookie407> vt?
[00:26] <smaudet> You're going to probably have to uninstall the old version and re-install the newer one
[00:26] <varunendra> subcool, the older messages are stored in dmesg.0, dmesg.1, syslog.1 etc.
[00:26] <smaudet> If you do that you're going to lose your graphical X session
[00:26] <Rookie407> you mean TV (teamviewer)
[00:26] <smaudet> i.e. no pretty buttons
[00:26] <Semper> sarnold, thought it might be
[00:26] <smaudet> VT = Virtual Terminal
[00:26] <smaudet> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:26] <Rookie407> ummm
[00:27] <Rookie407> oh yeah
[00:27] <Rookie407> kinda
[00:27] <Semper> Ctrl + alt+ F7 takes you back to GUI
[00:27] <smaudet> is this the same computer you're using to install the drivers?
[00:27] <Rookie407> yes
[00:27] <smaudet> I'd get weechat before you take the plunge
[00:27] <smaudet> learn how to get onto irc with it
[00:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> Semper: yep, and you can have more than one gui running at once. f7-12, if I remember right
[00:27] <Semper> or use a second PC
[00:28] <Semper> only for the bold ntzrmtthihu777
[00:28] <Rookie407> i can get on irc via my phone
[00:28] <smaudet> Then you can put weechat in Ctrl+Alt+F2, work in Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Semper: I run arch :P
[00:28] <Semper> as do I ;)
[00:28] <usr13> Rookie407: Very limited, (using phone).
[00:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> :D
[00:28] <smaudet> Rookie407: yeah but if you have output you don't want to input it line by line
[00:28] <Rookie407> true
[00:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Rookie407: irssi is frikken great for irc :P
[00:28] <smaudet> Rookie407: you can push to pastebin using pastebinit
[00:28] <smaudet> echo "my paste" | pastebinit
[00:29] <usr13> Rookie407: ntzrmtthihu777 is correct about irssi.
[00:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: or to sprunge with curl :P
[00:29] <smaudet> sudo apt-get install | pastebinit
[00:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> usr13: it's saved my buns many times, like when I couldn't get a graphical session to start I used it in a tty to get help, lol.
[00:29] <smaudet> ntzrmtthihu777, sure, weechat is just what I know
[00:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> usr13: lynx has done the same, googling from the cli :P
[00:30] <smaudet> ntzrmtthihu777: i thought irssi was gui anyways? Don't use it much, w/e
[00:30] <Rookie407> downloading pastebinit
[00:30] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Oh yea, there is a site I use lynx for every morning.
[00:31] <sarnold> Semper: hrm, any idea how to re-generate that .list file? I can't find anything related-looking in another deb I've got..
[00:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: nope. It runs in a terminal, now you can have a terminal in normal gui, but you can also use it in one of the non-graphical consoles (ctrl+alt+f1-6)
[00:31] <Rookie407> ok got irssi now too
[00:31] <Semper> Fraid I have no idea.
[00:31] <sarnold> Semper: okay, thanks
[00:31] <Semper> smaudet, it sounds like Rookie407 is hitting this ttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688754
[00:31] <Semper> but the version should be patched
[00:32] <Rookie407> totally have Semper but im sooo close to having the drivers working i can taste it
[00:32] <usr13> Rookie407: When you get some spare time, http://irssi.org/documentation
[00:32] <subcool> varunendra, i viewed the dmesg.0 - and searched for "error" - not really sure if the results would do it. I am suspecting one of my harddrives as being the reason for the consistant freeze/crashse.. but- linux is soo weird sometimes..
[00:32] <smaudet> Semper: hm
[00:32] <litropy> What's the best circuit design program for linux?
[00:32] <smaudet> Rookie407: before you uninstall the old nvidia package, I'd recommend adding a force install option
[00:32] <Semper> sarnold, if you DL'd the deb file
[00:33] <Rookie407> just gotta get the stupid nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx to install and i think i may have it
[00:33] <smaudet> sudo aptget -f install mypkg.deb
[00:33] <Semper> try redownloading it if the md5 doesnt match theirs
[00:33] <Semper> if their md5 is the same as the one computed for your download, they've mangled their file
[00:33] <Rookie407> apt-get not dpkg?
[00:33] <Rookie407> smaudet,
[00:33] <smaudet> Rookie407: err sorry yeah dpkg
[00:34] <smaudet> Rookie407: if you were using apt-get then I'd suggest the -f option
[00:34] <sarnold> Semper: dpkg appears to generate the file at install time, and dpkg is completely useless with this busted file. I _think_ I'll be able to generate the .list from the .md5sums file
[00:34] <varunendra> subcool, Linux is more verbose in my opinion, sometimes it does become confusing though ;) Oh, and syslog is more verbose than dmesg, gives more hints that may not be covered by dmesg.
[00:35] <Rookie407> smaudet, it deff did something i got a big output
[00:35] <Semper> I meant the whole deb sarnold
[00:35] <Semper> what is it?
[00:35] <Rookie407> sec ill pastebin it for ya
[00:35] <Semper> and where'd it come from?
[00:35] <Rookie407> not having unity takes forever to do things
[00:36] <Semper> Devs make mistakes sometimes, they might have pushed a broken file.
[00:36] <usr13> Rookie407: What things?
[00:36] <Semper> Rookie407, eurgh unity
[00:36] <subcool> varunendra, yeah.. i do agree. it is more verbose. im just use to finding the error, and i suppose they are just a bit more difficult which is frustrating. And it always happens when im not home. IM use to my Freenas and Vbox having HD issues, and causing the issues, but now im not really sure what it is. I know it is still related to my freenas and vbox, but- since ih ave to reboot to recover, i dont know where to begin to lo
[00:36] <subcool> cate the issues.
[00:36]  * Semper forms a cross symbol with fingers.
[00:36] <smaudet> Rookie: quite, I've had to re-suscitate Ubuntu from VT before
[00:36] <smaudet> Rookie: it was 'fun', to say the least
[00:37] <smaudet> Why I stopped installing non LTS
[00:37] <Rookie407> http://pastebin.com/y6MmWFDB
[00:37] <D-Chymera1> Hi guys, I know this is no photography channel, but I would say this is more of a technical issue. I have a model who would like to consent to granting me the rights to only a subset of the pictures from our shoot (following no particularly evident criterion) - would it be feasible to identify the images to which I then do own the rights via checksums? if so, can I use Git to simply compute the checksum?
[00:37] <smaudet> Although to be fair it died 'cause i was updating my kernel to an unsupported version
[00:37] <sarnold> Semper: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/h/humanity-icon-theme/humanity-icon-theme_0.6.1_all.deb
[00:37] <Semper> D-Chymera1, you can just use md5sum locally
[00:38] <Semper> for example, if you are in the directory
[00:38] <Rookie407> usr13, anything im having to constantly open and close everything via terminal cuz i have no alt+tab functionality no unity no nothing but terminal cant even drag to move things or else everything freezes till i reboot
[00:38] <smaudet> D-Chymeral: no
[00:38] <Semper> md5sum * >> mylistofmd5hashes.txt
[00:38] <smaudet> D-Chymeral: you need to use a more advanced DSP algorithm
[00:38] <Semper> as to owning the rights by checksum
[00:38] <smaudet> D-Chymeral: too easy to change a single pixel
[00:38] <Semper> no idea
[00:38] <smaudet> Then the checksum goes out the door
[00:39] <Rookie407> yall catch that pastebin?
[00:39] <Jagst3r15> any place to get my idea heard?
[00:39] <Semper> like smaudet says, you need to have something that does image recog really
[00:39] <Jagst3r15> I know they got rid of brainstorm
[00:39] <smaudet> No, no image recog
[00:39] <smaudet> Just some algorithm for image 'signature'
[00:39] <jrib> D-Chymera1: that seems like a good solution, though I would suggest sha256 instead
[00:39] <smaudet> By which I mean Facial Recognition isn't going to help you here.
[00:40] <Semper> jrib, the problem is that the hash will change completely if you even cropped the image
[00:40] <jrib> Semper: so?
[00:40] <Semper> he still owns the rights to a cropped image
[00:40] <aem`> I need assistance with an ubuntu install on a blank hdd....
[00:40] <usr13> Rookie407: Yea, line 10
[00:40] <sarnold> Semper: ha! it was easier than I thought -- I moved /var/lib/dpkg/info/humanity-icon-theme.list out of the way and then was able to use dpkg -i to install the .deb right on top of the old one, no trouble. Thanks mate. :)
[00:40] <jrib> Semper: he just has to show how he obtained the cropped image from the old one
[00:40] <varunendra> subcool, is the SMART status good on the drives? fsck ?
[00:40] <Semper> now what if I add a filter
[00:41] <Semper> or 5 filters
[00:41] <aem`> can anybody help?
[00:41] <Semper> in a row
[00:41] <usr13> Rookie407:  What does lspci say about your video card?  lspci |grep VGA
[00:41] <sarnold> D-Chymera1: what problem are you trying to solve with the checksums?
[00:41] <jrib> Semper: same thing
[00:41] <Semper> add some text
[00:41] <Semper> it becomes impossible for him to compute the correct hash
[00:41] <sarnold> D-Chymera1: if you just delete the files the model doesn't want you to use, hooray. problem solved. right?
[00:41] <Semper> because he doesnt know what they changed
[00:41] <aem`> can somebody assist me please
[00:41] <D-Chymera1> jrib: why that? also why not sha1sum?
[00:41] <subcool> varunendra, the SMART status on my PATA drive is acting up.
[00:41] <jrib> Semper: any decent image editor will save the history.  He's saving the hash of the original and the steps used to obtain new from original
[00:41] <Rookie407> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[00:41] <Rookie407> 03:02.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
[00:41] <aem`> ffffs
[00:41] <sarnold> aem`: irc works best if you can ask specific questions.
[00:41] <subcool> varunendra, but- that wouldnt cause it to freeze
[00:42] <jrib> D-Chymera1: some people run away from md5sum nowadays because people can generate collisions for it
[00:42] <aem`> i did sarnold lol
[00:42] <usr13> Rookie407: it's a laptop?
[00:42] <Rookie407> desk
[00:42] <aem`> i asked how to properly install ubuntu in a blank hdd
[00:42] <aem`> one hdd is for win7
[00:42] <Semper> jrib, you don't have the history
[00:42] <Semper> someone stole your image
[00:42] <aem`> other has 2 partitions
[00:42] <sarnold> aem`: ah, it was before I joined then. :)
[00:42] <Semper> and did "stuff" to it
[00:42] <aem`> lol
[00:42] <aem`> its k
[00:42] <varunendra> subcool, why wouldn't it? Maybe there are bad clusters expanding to areas they shouldn't?
[00:42] <aem`> i just need some help
[00:42] <Semper> then you cannot probe using hashes that it is yours
[00:42] <aem`> it won't work properly
[00:43] <aem`> only works if i partion my main hdd which i dont want
[00:43] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: not a question of security of the hash algorithm, in fact the better the checksum, the worse suited it is to catching 'similar' photos
[00:43] <jrib> Semper: are you sure that's D-Chymera1's intent with the checksums?  I believe he just wants to have a record of the images that the model consented to
[00:43] <Semper> indeed
[00:43] <smaudet> md5, at least, you can spoof a similar image, thanks to its insecurity
[00:43] <Semper> well yes it does depend on exactly what he wants
[00:43] <Rookie407> usr13, not sure why it would break it if it needs nvidia-alternatives to work
[00:43] <sarnold> aem`: you may need to change the hard drive boot order in your BIOS to put the Ubuntu disk in a higher priority -- that way you can be prompted to boot windows or linux without needing to modify your windows disk
[00:44] <usr13> Rookie407: So the intel is onboard?
[00:44] <subcool> varunendra, i have run the disk utility on the drives, they appear to be fine.
[00:44] <smaudet> jrib: generally if someone wants to 'identify' an image, they want to identify it and all modifications if it
[00:44] <Rookie407> yes
[00:44] <smaudet> If they don't, then, yeah, md5'd be fine
[00:44] <jrib> Semper: are you sure that's D-Chymera1's intent with the checksums?  I believe he just wants to have a record of the images that the model consented to.  Only D-Chymera1 can clarify ;)
[00:44] <usr13> Rookie407: 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu?
[00:44] <aem`> sarnold i was actally hoping i could just make a 10 second window where you have choice via win7
[00:44] <Semper> Well if that's the case
[00:44] <Semper> why do you need md5 at all?
[00:44] <aem`> that's how i did it in the past
[00:44] <Semper> what purpose does it serve?
[00:45] <Rookie407> 32bit
[00:45] <jrib> Semper: well say he wants the model to sign a contract.
[00:45] <Semper> you have the image already
[00:45] <smaudet> Semper: just as a way of keeping stuff in a db
[00:45] <sarnold> aem`: you want to use the windows 7 bootloader instead?
[00:45] <Rookie407> ubuntu 13.04 RR
[00:45] <D-Chymera1> sarnold: I archive all of my shots - a) you never know b)why destroy information?
[00:45] <aem`> yes sarnold
[00:45] <sarnold> D-Chymera1: aha :)
[00:45] <smaudet> Semper: md5 the images, and keep an indexed db of them
[00:45] <Semper> if it is for that then yeah
[00:45] <D-Chymera1> jrib: that was my intentt, yes
[00:45] <Semper> so you can lookup the ones you can use easily
[00:45] <Semper> fair enough
[00:45] <aem`> essentially a dual boot for win7 and ubuntu from win7 boot loader...
[00:45] <smaudet> Rookie407: sorry, looking for your paste
[00:46] <Semper> i'd do what I said
[00:46] <Semper> md5sum * >> mylistofmd5hashes.txt
[00:46] <D-Chymera1> why sha256sum  and not sha1sum
[00:46] <D-Chymera1> ?
[00:46] <varunendra> subcool, well if SMART is 'acting up', there is a possible culprit. If no other hints are found, why not try changing the drive?
[00:46] <Ben64> aem`: grub would work easier
[00:46] <aem`> Ben64 tbh i don't like grub
[00:46] <Rookie407> smaudet, http://pastebin.com/y6MmWFDB
[00:46] <aem`> unless its impossible without grub
[00:47] <varunendra> subcool, if there are I/O errors, I think they should get logged in syslog.
[00:47] <sarnold> aem`: this looks promising: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/use-the-windows-bootloader-to-dual-boot-windows-vista-and-ubuntu.html
[00:47] <Semper> D-Chymera1, usually it is to avoid collisions as MD5 can easily manipulated to give the same hash for different things
[00:47] <Ben64> aem`: how often do you hang out in the bootloader that it even matters which it is?
[00:47] <Semper> however I don't think that is required in this case
[00:47] <subcool> varunendra, i have been moving drives. i have had two drives actually fail. so ive been moving files around. but now- im a bit baffled
[00:47] <sarnold> aem`: a user on askubuntu.com thought it was the best solution, http://askubuntu.com/a/79967/33812
[00:47] <smaudet> Rookie407: that just looks like a data dump
[00:47] <Semper> spoofing an image hash doesn't even make sense in this case
[00:48] <Semper> I suppose that this would work too
[00:48] <Semper> md5sum * >> *.txt
[00:48] <sarnold> eeeek, not *.txt
[00:48] <Semper> the idea of it, perhaps not programmatically
[00:48] <Semper> is it $1?
[00:48] <varunendra> subcool, how often the crash happens? Sorry I didn't follow your question from beginning.
[00:48] <smaudet> Rookie407: I don't think there is a 'force' option for dpkg, go ahead and run the sudo apt-get remove badnvidiapackage && sudo dpkg -i mynvidiapkg.deb
[00:48] <Semper> I cannot remember off the top of my head
[00:48] <Semper> but you know what I mean
[00:49] <smaudet> And run it in a VT1
[00:49] <sarnold> if you have a single file ending with .txt in the name, it'll have the md5sums appended..
[00:49] <jrib> D-Chymera1: that's what I've seen used in documents. I believe SHA-1 is no longer recommended
[00:49] <Rookie407> E: Unable to locate package badnvidiapackage
[00:49] <subcool> varunendra, - if i leave the computer running long enough- it happens daily.
[00:49] <Semper> jrib, pretty sure it isnt relevant here
[00:50] <Semper> if they some how made a collision it wouldn't be legible
[00:50] <Guest28197> should use SHA-3 \o/
[00:50] <subcool> varunendra, it use to be based on my massive filing movement, but now it crashes simply by staying on
[00:50] <smaudet> Rookie407: :P you have to replace 'badnvidiapackage' with the name of the package that is failing when you try to sudo dpkg -i yournvidiapackage.deb
[00:50] <jrib> Semper: I agree.  But this way you avoid the issue coming up (it doesn't really cost you anything)
[00:50] <Rookie407> haha i knew that
[00:51] <smaudet> jrib: sha1 is no longer viable for cryptographically secure purposes
[00:51] <smaudet> its still a perfectly valid hash
[00:51] <Semper> I don't think it is possible for the issue to come up at all
[00:51] <Semper> hence why I think md5 will suffice
[00:51] <Semper> or any hash algo
[00:51] <Semper> within limits ofc
[00:51] <smaudet> md5 is more then adequate for e.g. hash tables
[00:51] <smaudet> in fact md5 is a bit slow and verbose for that purpose, even
[00:52] <Rookie407> couldnt find package by regex
[00:52] <smaudet> Rookie407: make sure you got the right package
[00:52] <smaudet> Rookie407: i.e you typed it right
[00:52] <Rookie407> i did
[00:52] <Rookie407> copy paste XD
[00:52] <sarnold> okay, enough drinking from the firehose :)  thanks Semper for the help. ta!
[00:52] <smaudet> dpkg -l 'badnvidiapackage'
[00:52] <jrib> well my only concern would be that someone without proper understanding will make the complaint.  And since you don't lose anything, why not just use SHA-2?  But yes, practically, md5 or SHA-1 would work fine.
[00:52] <smaudet> dpkg -l badnvidiapackage
[00:53] <jrib> (as you said)
[00:53] <smaudet> sorry no quotes
[00:53] <smaudet> and if that doesn't turn anything up:
[00:53] <smaudet> dpkg -l badnvidiapackage*
[00:53] <Semper> I say md5 because I can code this quickly
[00:53] <Semper> for file in *.jpeg; do
[00:53] <Semper>     md5sum "$file" >> "$file.md5"
[00:53] <Semper> done
[00:53] <Semper> :P
[00:53] <FloodBot1> Semper: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:53] <usr13> Rookie407: The sofrware from nvidia.com is NVIDIA-Linux-x86-325.15.run
[00:53] <jrib> Semper: well you have sha256sum too :P
[00:53] <smaudet> Semper: s/md5/sha256/g
[00:53] <smaudet> not hard :P
[00:54] <Semper> Ha, I never used if from terminal before
[00:54] <smaudet> s/sha256/sha256sum/g
[00:54] <Semper> but you could shove whatever over md5sum
[00:54] <varunendra> subcool, I'd suggest you analyse the whole dmesg.0, syslog.1 immediately after a reboot (after crash). If they don't contain any hint, then maybe the crash is happening too fast to be logged, probably due to a hardware issue.
[00:54] <Rookie407> dpkg-query: no packages found matching nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb
[00:54] <subcool> varunendra, thats what i was fearing aswel
[00:54] <subcool> varunendra, but its hard to say
[00:54] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: if you don't care what happens to your images, and you have lots of them, use md5sum
[00:54] <smaudet> Semper/jrib are just being pedantic
[00:55] <varunendra> subcool, yes it is, from what we have so far to guess by. :)
[00:55] <smaudet> sha256sum is going to take longer ;)
[00:55] <Semper> indeed
[00:55] <Semper> Though using md5 =/= you don't care about what happens to the images
[00:55] <subcool> varunendra, im not entirely use to viewing crash information from linux.. would it always be in "error" form.
[00:55] <smaudet> Rookie407: dpkg -l nvidia-settings-legacy-173*
[00:56] <D-Chymera1> smaudet: what do you mean by "if I don't care what happens to them"?
[00:56] <Semper> its just that any work, and the pedantry that otherwise goes with hashing for passwords is not relevant here.
[00:56] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: when I was saying earlier about not using md5sum, if you don't care about the hash for the purposes of e.g. catching people using altered versions of your photos
[00:56] <Rookie407> same output smaudet
[00:56] <Guest28197> using any of the mentioned algorithms for hashing passwords is silly. there's a reason *crypt algorithms exist
[00:56] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: its entirely unsuitable for that purpose
[00:56] <Semper> as are all hashing methods like md5
[00:57] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: unless you already found the altered version and just wanted to ensure that it was altered
[00:57] <varunendra> subcool, most often yes, but since it is completely crashing the system, it may not get time to log the final 'Error' line. You may try analysing 'All' the previous versions of these logs, but that would be an uphill task. :(
[00:57] <subcool> varunendra, not that much, but understanding all of it is hard
[00:57] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: md5sum is a 'yes/no' algorithm
[00:57] <subcool> varunendra, some times a crash isnt very blatten
[00:58] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: you'll need a DSP algorithm like I said before if you want to e.g. find copies of it online
[00:58] <subcool> varunendra, ill try.. thanks for the help.. ijust wasnt sure which log files to view...
[00:58] <D-Chymera1> smaudet: am I supposed to write a crawler that hashes all the images on the internet to find similar ones? :) I will hash raw files (.NEF) I guess md5 coud also not identify a jpg that was processed from those - right?
[00:58] <teenwood32> hi !!
[00:58] <varunendra> subcool, my personal method to analyse these issues is to look for suspicious keywords in the logs. Not necessarily errors.
[00:58] <subcool> varunendra, but im not sure how to compare the times.. and dates
[00:58] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: no, you aren't
[00:58] <Semper> D-Chymera1, the tl;dr is you cannot really use any hashing algo to prove someone stole the image and edited it. However, if you are building a database to lookup images that you can use from ones you have taken
[00:58] <Semper> then that would work
[00:58] <teenwood32> is friday !! is a we happe n  ??
[00:58] <teenwood32> :D :D
[00:59] <smaudet> But if you want to find images on the internet, and you don't want to use just Google Image
[00:59] <usr13> Rookie407: My advise is to uninstall all nvidia packages and get it from nvidia.com NVIDIA-Linux-x86-325.15.run
[00:59] <smaudet> Yeah, you'll need to write a crawler
[00:59] <subcool> varunendra, yea, thgats what im uyse to with window,s but linxu has soo much babble, its sometimes uncohearent.
[00:59] <smaudet> And run a server, and all the headache that entails ;)
[00:59] <Semper> hashing is good for only one thing
[00:59] <Semper> does this = this
[00:59] <varunendra> subcool, in syslog, the date and time is clearly defined. In dmesg, the number in the large bracket is the time in seconds since the system booted.
[00:59] <Rookie407> usr13, thats not the right drivers i need legacy drivers
[01:00] <Rookie407> this is the last thing i have to install i got that feeling if i get this installed then everything will work!
[01:00] <varunendra> *read defined = given ;)
[01:00] <smaudet> Rookie407: hmm, try installing your .deb file again then
[01:00] <teenwood32> jijij
[01:00] <smaudet> pastebin the output, maybe something changed
[01:00] <jrib> D-Chymera1: hashing is only good for taking your exact image pixel by pixel and mapping it to some number.  If that's not what you want, then hashing isn't what you want
[01:00] <subcool> varunendra, i wasnt sure what those # Iin dmesg were
[01:00] <chaotix> hello...  is there a terminal command for moving up a directory?
[01:00] <subcool> thanks.. im going to serach it now..
[01:00] <teenwood32> whats up
[01:00] <jrib> chaotix: cd ..
[01:00] <usr13> Rookie407: Ok
[01:00] <D-Chymera1> Semper: smaudet I seem to get different opinions from you two - say I (manually) come across a downsized, edited jpg which I think comes from my raw file - what can I do with (what) hash algos ?
[01:00] <chaotix> jrib, thank you
[01:01] <Guest28197> D-Chymera1: nothing
[01:01] <chaotix> jrib, i was trying without the space
[01:01] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: zilch, nothing, nada
[01:01] <D-Chymera1> jrib: no, that is what I want - I am exploring some other possibilities people suggested
[01:01] <jrib> chaotix: some people alias ".." to "cd .."
[01:01] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: the md5 algorithm will tell you the two pictures are 'not the same'
[01:01] <varunendra> subcool, now you know :)
[01:01] <subcool> "and nowing is half the battle"
[01:02] <Semper> D-Chymera1, yep, it will only tell you they are not the same
[01:02] <varunendra> lol
[01:02] <Rookie407> smaudet, http://pastebin.com/xPAKcGFk
[01:02] <usr13> Rookie407: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list  #Will show you what nvidia packages you now have.
[01:02] <Semper> D-Chymera1, pm me with what you are exactly after.
[01:03] <smaudet> Rookie407: you could try what the error message suggests, add the --auto-deconfigure option
[01:03] <varunendra> subcool, the real battle for a sysadmin begins when they have to analyse these logs without a proper hint ;)
[01:03] <smaudet> i.e. 'sudo dpkg --auto-deconfigure -i nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb'
[01:03] <Rookie407> smaudet, i tryed that it didnt work
[01:03] <dmbonez> i switched from on-board graphics to pcie graphics and lightdm fails?
[01:03] <Rookie407> according to the output of ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list the nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx is there
[01:04] <Rookie407> even though i keep getting that error why is that
[01:04] <usr13> "Rookie407: Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb"  "installing nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx would break nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)"
[01:05] <Rookie407> usr13, that command is not understood
[01:05] <smaudet> Rookie407: that is not a command
[01:05] <smaudet> that's why ;)
[01:05] <usr13> Rookie407: It is not a command, it is the error message from your paste.
[01:06] <usr13> Rookie407: Read it.
[01:06] <Rookie407> i mean the --auto-deconfigure
[01:06] <Rookie407> ...
[01:06] <aem`> ty guys
[01:06] <smaudet> Rookie407: pastebin this for me: 'dpkg -l nvidia*'
[01:07] <Nox_404> Hi, i need help on SDL framework, someone can help me ?
[01:07] <smaudet> !offtopic | Nox_404
[01:08] <Nox_404> smaudet: sorry wrong chan
[01:08] <smaudet> Nox_404,np
[01:08] <delinquentme> anyone know how to check a USB to see if its in host mode?
[01:10] <usr13> Rookie407: dpkg -l nvidia* |pastebinit  #SHow us resulting URL.
[01:11] <Rookie407> sorry was outside smokin
[01:12] <Rookie407> smaudet, usr13, http://pastebin.com/KqTkU582
[01:12] <Rookie407> those results dont make sense
[01:13] <smaudet> Rookie407: I agree
[01:13] <usr13> Rookie407: Uninstall them.
[01:13] <usr13> Rookie407: Why not just run   nvidia-common ?
[01:13] <smaudet> usr13: no the output of that command is garbage
[01:13] <smaudet> he should see something like this:
[01:13] <smaudet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6072850/
[01:14] <Rookie407> =\
[01:15] <Rookie407> im just to the point now where imma say forget it all together and go back to winblows
[01:15] <Semper> good god no
[01:15] <Rookie407> 4 days into it and still no progress
[01:15] <smaudet> Rookie407: if that command doesn't work there's something seriously wrong with your packages...
[01:15] <smaudet> what distro are you using?
[01:15] <Rookie407> ubuntu 13.04 RR
[01:16] <smaudet> RR?
[01:16] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get remove nvidia*   #And start over.
[01:16] <smaudet> Oh nvm
[01:16] <smaudet> Rookie407: try usr13's command
[01:16] <smaudet> if that spits garbage you may want to re-download ubuntu and re-install
[01:16] <rcythr> Has anyone here managed to get multithreading working with gcc-4.8 using the package from Saucy? I've tried everything I can think of and g++ refuses to link pthreads. It acts as if it's linking a single threaded lib instead of the multithread one
[01:16] <Rookie407> this will be the 20th time i've started over... =\
[01:17] <Ben64> i haven't been following whats going on, which video card do you have Rookie407
[01:17] <usr13> Rookie407: And then install nvidia-173
[01:17] <Rookie407> nvidia geforce fx 5500
[01:17] <Flannel> rcythr: #ubuntu+1 for Saucy support, thanks.
[01:17] <smaudet> Rookie407: new CD, new flash drive?
[01:17] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get install nvidia-173
[01:17] <Rookie407> what you mean smaudet
[01:18] <usr13> !info !nvidia-173 | Rookie407
[01:18] <rcythr> Flannel: thanks I knew there would be a channel for it somewhere, just didn't know what it was called.
[01:18] <Flannel> rcythr: No worries.  Good luck!
[01:18] <smaudet> Rookie407: when you re-download/re-install ubuntu, start with a *fresh* install media
[01:18] <Rookie407> and usr13 not to be rude man but i really dont wanna start over again. i've gotten soo far with it already
[01:18] <smaudet> if you've tried unsuccesfully to install 20 times
[01:18] <smaudet> there is probably something wrong with your computer
[01:19] <smaudet> or the install media
[01:19] <Rookie407> its old as dirt is whats wrong =P
[01:19] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*   #And start over.
[01:19] <Rookie407> p4 processor with 2gb ram
[01:19] <smaudet> Rookie407: try 12.04.3 LTS
[01:19] <smaudet> 13.04 is bad for old computers
[01:19] <smaudet> 12.04.3 is good for them
[01:19] <usr13> Rookie407: Old as dirt?
[01:19] <Rookie407> my computer usr13
[01:20] <Semper> lol
[01:20] <Semper> hardcore
[01:20] <Semper> I put arch on my crappy laptops
[01:20] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*  &&  sudo apt-get install nvidia-173
[01:21] <smaudet> Rookie407: Nvidia can be bumpy at times but those commands shoulda worked, if dpkg -l nvidia* is broken, odds are the whole system is broken. Still to be safe, run the commands usr13 gave and verify they don't work
[01:21] <usr13> Rookie407: I'd turn off the X server first,  sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
[01:21] <Rookie407> whats a good distro aside from ubuntu that would run on this thing
[01:21] <smaudet> Well there's the 12.04.3
[01:21] <smaudet> I'd recommend PuppyDog Linux
[01:21] <smaudet> CrunchBang
[01:21] <smaudet> And Arch
[01:21] <Ben64> i'd recommend 12.04
[01:21] <Ben64> none of those others are supported here
[01:21] <smaudet> But Arch is for advanceds users mostly
[01:22] <Rookie407> i wanted to use mint but it seems to require dual core
[01:22] <smaudet> You probably want to stick with crunchbang or puppydog
[01:22] <smaudet> if you can't 12.04.3 to work for you either
[01:22] <Semper> wat
[01:22] <Semper> mint needs dual core?
[01:22] <usr13> Rookie407: See my PM
[01:22] <Ben64> mint isn't supported here
[01:22] <Semper> as in it refuses to install on a toaster?
[01:22] <smaudet> 13.04 is for nice *new* computers, not old ones
[01:22] <Rookie407> i have a 10.x copy of ubu somewhere and i know the drivers worked for it
[01:23] <Ben64> 10.04 is no longer supported for desktops
[01:23] <Ben64> use 12.04
[01:23] <usr13> Rookie407: Forget it 10.x is too old.
[01:23] <smaudet> Um
[01:23] <Rookie407> lol
[01:23] <smaudet> Ben64: read the irc title
[01:23] <usr13> Rookie407: One thing is for sure, you won't fix it if you don't try.
[01:23] <smaudet> 10.04 LTS is supported for servers
[01:23] <Ben64> which isn't a desktop
[01:23] <Rookie407> true that usr13
[01:23] <smaudet> oh well i guess you said 'desktop'
[01:23] <smaudet> meh fine
[01:23] <worrow> need some help reviving an old beast
[01:23] <Semper> Are there any devs in? I have a serious bone to pick about apache!
[01:24] <Semper> Someone backport it from debian already
[01:24] <Semper> Forward secrecy doesn't work!
[01:24] <worrow> Dell Vostro 1000, Any linux dist I try and boot to install starts with black screen and colored lines. Any ideas?
[01:24] <Semper> 2.4 has been out for a YEAR!
[01:24] <Semper> worrow, that sounds broken
[01:24] <Ben64> Semper: this is not the right channel for rants
[01:24] <Rookie407> brb gonna reboot
[01:24] <smaudet> !ot | Semper
[01:24] <smaudet> #apache?
[01:24] <Semper> well no
[01:24] <Semper> its a ubuntu issue
[01:25] <usr13> Rookie407: Ctrl-Alt-F6 [and login] sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop && sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*  &&  sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 && reboot
[01:25] <worrow> Dell Vostro 1000, Any linux dist I try and boot to install starts with black screen and colored lines.  I did have 1 disc initially go right into live desktop but the next time would not. I know it is working, just lacking some kernel or driver
[01:28] <usr13> Semper: Over 1600 and no one under 16?  Ok....
[01:29] <DuncanNZ> Semper: ubottu is a bot triggered when people write something starting with a !
[01:29] <Semper> worrow, I thought you said this had been happening under many live disks?
[01:29] <worrow> Semper, yes it has.
[01:29] <Semper> I meant IdleOne  DuncanNZ
[01:29] <Semper> what about windows worrow ?
[01:29] <Semper> got a install usb / disk about for that?
[01:29] <Semper> either: it's broke, or something funny in the kernel
[01:30] <worrow> Windows it fine
[01:30] <Semper> oooh weird.
[01:30] <Semper> interesting.
[01:30] <worrow> its older and would run better on an ubuntu distro
[01:30] <Semper> try doing a full install, it may be a momentary thing
[01:31] <worrow> but I am unable to see anything
[01:31] <Semper> IdleOne, are you a person? >_<
[01:31] <IdleOne> Semper: I am.
[01:31] <worrow> is there some boot command to avoid this?
[01:31] <Semper> I see.
[01:31] <Semper> worrow, not that I am aware of.
[01:31] <worrow> Can I run a boot command on a dvd?
[01:31] <Semper> you got a spare screen?
[01:31] <Semper> hook that up and see if it persists
[01:31] <worrow> nope
[01:32] <Semper> I dunno how to help tbh
[01:32] <Semper> it you cannot get on it, you cannot really work out what isn't working easily
[01:32] <Semper> I would suggest googling the GPU +ubuntu to see if someone has dealt with it before
[01:33] <Semper> failing that, remote install ubuntu with SSH
[01:33] <worrow> how can I do that?
[01:33] <Semper> should be able to do that with ubuntu server
[01:33] <usr13> !ubottu | Semper
[01:33] <Semper> I think ...
[01:33] <Semper> but usr13 I was asking IdleOne  :P
[01:33] <dns42> hey guys, is there a way to define an alternative not permanently (using update-alternatives) but temporarily, just for a single session?
[01:34] <kellmoo69> Hello All
[01:34] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: hello
[01:34] <dns42> that means, i want to have ruby 1.9.1 for a user session, but 1.8 for everyone else
[01:35] <kellmoo69> Newbie here - fresh install of Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS having trouble setting up Samba
[01:36] <usr13> kellmoo69: What's the trouble?
[01:36] <LinuxGold> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
[01:36] <LinuxGold> lol
[01:36] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: this seemed like a thing that you might check out: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[01:36] <SchrodingersScat> !samba | kellmoo69
[01:37] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: probably best to ues that latest 12.04 link, rather than my 10.04 which is what google spit up on me
[01:37] <usr13> SchrodingersScat: Prolly not much difference tho...
[01:38] <kellmoo69> Get this error message,   sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:38] <kellmoo69> sudo: gedit: command not found
[01:38] <Semper> install gedit
[01:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: gksudo
[01:38] <kellmoo69> i dont understand why "command not found"
[01:38] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: oh, right, you are on server right? try nano
[01:38] <Semper> nano works too
[01:38] <Semper> ctrl+x to quit
[01:38] <Semper> and save
[01:38] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: and or whatever cli text editor you like, unless you have a gui
[01:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: gksudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:38] <kellmoo69> oh really, i will try that brb
[01:39] <kellmoo69> gksu is not installed it tells me
[01:39] <dr_willis> heh -- the command was not found.. whats not to understand
[01:39] <dr_willis> 'gksudo'  for gui apps
[01:40] <dr_willis> i think gksu is being phased out. ssaw some mention of that on askubuntu.com
[01:40] <kellmoo69> i will try sudo nano
[01:40] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: yeah, you probably don't have most packages that involve graphics.
[01:40] <Semper> is gedit installed by default?
[01:40] <dr_willis> nano, fte, vi  ;) all handy editors to know
[01:40] <Semper> EMACS
[01:40] <Semper> huehuehue
[01:41] <kellmoo69> HEY sudo nano works!
[01:41] <kellmoo69> oh fantastic
[01:41] <smaudet> or just gksu
[01:41] <kellmoo69> @SchrodingersScat thank you!
[01:41] <dr_willis> nano tip #1  =    ^ means Hit the ctrl key  :)     ^w = ctrl+w
[01:41] <kellmoo69> all everyone else :)
[01:41] <smaudet> dr_willis: gksudo is just for the cmdline, yes?
[01:42] <Semper> thats the only way you can type it in certainly :P
[01:42] <usr13> gksudo is for GUI apps like gedit
[01:42] <dr_willis> gksudo is for gui apps. it can work with cli apps if you want ti pop up a dialog asking for the password (like in a script)
[01:42] <kellmoo69> @dr_willis good tip, thanks
[01:42] <smaudet> dr_willis: sure but I just ran e.g. 'gksu gedit' and it works fine
[01:42] <dr_willis> one of the reasons i HATE nano being reccomened to beginners.. they have no idea what ^ means
[01:42] <usr13>  sudo is all you need for CLI apps
[01:42] <dr_willis> gksu is being phased out smaudet
[01:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> gksudo or kdsudo, depending on the de
[01:42] <dr_willis> or somthing like that
[01:43] <smaudet> dr_willis: for what reason?
[01:43] <usr13> Yea, I like vi better
[01:43] <usr13> vim
[01:43] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: cli is superior, hang in there
[01:43] <smaudet> dr_willis: and I can always just alias gksu to gksudo
[01:43] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Thanks for correction, (didn't know that...).
[01:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> you know what, I never had issue with nano, even when I was first starting linux on ubuntu lucid
[01:43] <dr_willis> smaudet:  whats the point.. the 2 commands do slightly difffernt things..
[01:43] <smaudet> dr_willis: i.e. what technical reason is it being phased out?
[01:44] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Good for you!  :)
[01:44] <dr_willis> smaudet:  check askubuntu.com - they mentioned it a few weeks ago
[01:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> usr13: I only know that accidentally, I always have used gtk de's
[01:44] <Semper> does e17 work in ubuntu?
[01:44] <dr_willis> Semper:  you can install E17 on ubuntu
[01:44] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Good to know.....
[01:44] <steve__> it works in ubuntu as well as it works elsewhere
[01:45] <Semper> badly?
[01:45] <Semper> huehuehue
[01:45] <Semper> I jk
[01:45] <dr_willis> ive nevr really had 'e' of any # work well
[01:45] <smaudet> dr_willis: oh ok user privs
[01:45] <kellmoo69> question - is it possible to make my Samba visible only to my local home network?
[01:45] <Semper> Last time I tried e17
[01:45] <smaudet> dr_willis: in that case its a good thing and I'll alias to gsu for my personal purposes
[01:45] <Semper> it was like openbox
[01:46] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  thats how it should be by deffault as far as i know.
[01:47] <Semper> dr_willis, I am pretty sure you cannot easily not do it
[01:47] <smaudet> dr_willis: although I'm not sure what the practical difference is, if I run gksu gedit, and then gksudo gedit, I just get another tab in the 'root' gedit
[01:47] <Semper> you'd need no router/broken router or a VPN
[01:48] <smaudet> I suppose I don't understand elevated gui programs well?
[01:49] <dr_willis> gksu does a similer task. but with some little differances.. i cant recall ever needing to uise gksu
[01:49] <dr_willis> i alays use gksudo
[01:49] <usr13> kellmoo69: I think you can put:  hosts allow = <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>  in global section to allow only .4 and .5 (the list can be longer), Or, hosts allow = 192.168.1.  (For the whole subnet).
[01:49] <smaudet> dr_willis: sure gksu is easier to type which is why I use(d) it
[01:49] <smaudet> going ahead and removing it anyways
[01:49] <dr_willis> smaudet:  may as well make a easier alias like GS
[01:50] <usr13> kellmoo69: There is also "hosts deny"
[01:50] <smaudet> dr_willis: two letter acronyms...don't like them. Too many of them already
[01:50] <smaudet> I don't want to be thinking e.g. "Geneva Summit Gedit" :P
[01:50] <smaudet> just as a silly example
[01:51] <kellmoo69> @usr13 good suggestion,  thanks
[01:51] <usr13> NP
[01:52] <smaudet> dr_willis: I wonder - is there any way to gksudo unity-desktop?
[01:53] <smaudet> I think a lot of people have wished for a way to 'su' into their graphical environments for just a bit
[01:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: login as root?
[01:53] <dr_willis> smaudet:  that wound be a rather silly thing to do. you dont want to start up X as root either.
[01:53] <SchrodingersScat> ntzrmtthihu777: the only issue i've had is that it adds a newline at the end of the file sometimes/always?  unless you know a way to stop that.
[01:53] <smaudet> ntzrmtthihu777: no, just run anything you start graphically as an elevated process for a bit
[01:53] <smaudet> no root 'login'
[01:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> SchrodingersScat: How's your cat? In any case, not a clue, lol.
[01:54] <smaudet> dr_willis: I realize that, it would just be root 'mode', not starting X as root
[01:54] <dr_willis> smaudet:   the biggest danger i see to a ubuntu box in here on a daily basis. is the useres doing silly things that brean the system
[01:54] <dr_willis> break...
[01:54] <smaudet> dr_willis: yeah but sudo times out
[01:54] <dr_willis> if you want a 'root app launcher' then  use some dock ran as root i guess
[01:54] <smaudet> this would be the same
[01:54] <Rookie407> how can i find the nvidia-alternatives-legacy-173xx package to sudo remove and purge it just that package?
[01:54] <dr_willis> you can set sudo to not time out if you really wanted
[01:54] <smaudet> dr_willis: but it would be silly as well
[01:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: I find this is the case regardless of distro/os, lol
[01:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: sudo -i ?
[01:55] <smaudet> if a user wants to be silly there's not much stopping them from logging in with X as root
[01:55] <smaudet> If its just a matter of convenience, probably not bad to provide a fake graphical su
[01:55] <smaudet> and have it timeout
[01:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: well I've used kali and backtrack, and both are default root logins :P
[01:56] <dr_willis> untill they come in here ranting that  'ubuntu sucks - it let me break it'
[01:56] <dr_willis> puppylinux also runs everything as root
[01:56] <smaudet> dr_willis: they can do that anyways with just gksudo
[01:56] <smaudet> its just less convenient for them
[01:56] <smaudet> Or even just sudo
[01:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: is that so? I played around with lupu for a while, but never knew that.
[01:57] <smaudet> I'm not going to paste the command but any admin can mess their system royally with a single command
[01:57] <user9302011> You could remaster an ubuntu CD/DVD using remastersys and change login and X to root. Then you have root on a read only CD/DVD and not messup the system.
[01:57] <smaudet> By accident no less
[01:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: I'm aware of a few :P
[01:57] <dr_willis> i can think of a dozen. ;P
[01:57] <rcythr> hehe remove mail real fast
[01:58] <Semper> smaudet, does it begin with rm
[01:58] <Semper> and end with
[01:58] <Semper> -rf
[01:58] <Semper>  /
[01:58] <smaudet> Semper: as dr_willis said there are lots of ways
[01:58] <dr_willis> err rm has been patched for some time now where you cant accidently remove /
[01:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> Semper: no, it ends with --no-preserve-root :P
[01:58] <Semper> but ofc
[01:59] <rcythr> does it check for just / or variants like /*
[01:59] <smaudet> You either A) don't give users root access and they yell at you for not being able to do squat, or B) You give them root access and accept that danger
[01:59] <dr_willis> try it out in vbox and see
[01:59] <smaudet> Might as well make them comfortable doing it
[01:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> ls really needs an octal notation flag, lol. I'v got a perl wrapper that does it, though.
[01:59] <dr_willis> the users yell no matter what.. so i do what makes my life easier. not theirs
[01:59] <smaudet> If you really want we could go all UAC and give them a yes/no dialog box
[01:59] <Semper> smaudet, or I do the following
[01:59] <Semper> give them superuser on our site
[02:00] <delinquentme> so how can I run a command and get a explicit identifier saying that a given usb is in device or host mode?
[02:00] <Semper> and run backups every 20 minutes
[02:00] <smaudet> Semper, dr_willis is talking about single user installs who aren't part of an organization
[02:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: right? It kinda irks me that root's .bashrc has tab-completion *disabled*. If someone is issuing root commands, I damn well want them to do them properly :P
[02:00] <Semper> I know
[02:00] <smaudet> And have no clue how to do that
[02:00] <Semper> I give them a live disk
[02:00] <Semper> :P
[02:00] <smaudet> Or have anyone to give them a live disk ;)
[02:01] <Semper> I give them Lili
[02:01] <Semper> :p
[02:01] <dr_willis> i tend to tell them to not use lili  ;)
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> pebkac, problem exists between keyboard and chair :P
[02:01] <dr_willis> and refer them to the pendrivelinux web site
[02:01] <Semper> well, depends if you want them to learn or not
[02:01] <Semper> I can compile an OS and I still just use Lili
[02:01] <Semper> :P
[02:01] <user9302011> Yes a live Ubuntu CD/DVD with root access and make a persistant save file (ie capser) to save changes then it's similar to puppylinux except you have a real ubuntu.
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: pen drive linux
[02:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> 's guide didn't work 100% for me; for some reason the usb stick was looking for /dev/sda1 of my main box, even when I changed /boot/grub/load.cfg's uuid
[02:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: so, I ended up installing the basic arch linux system on said usb, and use its grub and custom script files to setup iso boots :P
[02:03] <smaudet> dr_willis: and anyways with regards to 'making life easier' for you, I'm not referring to installing this 'convient gksudo' by default
[02:03] <anton02> centOS is to fedora as debian is to ubuntu. Would u rather centOS or ubuntu
[02:03] <smaudet> Put it in a third party repo and blame them when they install and mess up their system.
[02:03] <Semper> anton02, I thought that was CentOS to RHEL
[02:03] <smaudet> Like you usually do ;)
[02:04] <smaudet> (not you personally)
[02:04] <kellmoo69> question - Samba: Will store my media files to stream in my home, is it possible to setup the Share without a prompt for user name or password?
[02:05] <magbo> Greetings, gentlemen! What optimizations would you propose for running Ubuntu off a USB stick? I have ~1GiB of RAM to spare.
[02:05] <anton02> Semper: RHEL just as tech support i think
[02:05] <anton02> has*
[02:05] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  you can mount samba shares via  /etc/fstab if you wanted to
[02:05] <ChogyDan> magbo: you may want to look into pendrive linux.  I'm sure they would know / already have it setup
[02:05] <Semper> I thought CentOS was just RHEL but FOSS?
[02:05] <dr_willis> magbo:  i run ubuntu (full install ) off usb flash all the time.. setting up xubuntu on a  netbook right now
[02:06] <Semper> from source
[02:06] <dr_willis> magbo:  theres some  'put the users browser cache' in ram tweak  i saw on omgubuntu or webupd8 that mmay be handy if you got the ram
[02:07] <smaudet> dr_willis: don't mean to be disrespectfull btw, thank you for your ealier info, gksu is uninstalled :)
[02:07] <Semper> tmpfs dr_willis
[02:07] <Semper> symlink the cache
[02:07] <dr_willis> i dont have the ram to spare on a netbook. ;)
[02:07] <magbo> ChogyDan: no I don't. I need Ubuntu LTS 12.04 because those are build reqs for the dev env of a project I write. Thanks anyway.
[02:07] <Semper> Lack of ambition.
[02:07] <Semper> :P
[02:07] <Semper> I put a whole minecraft server in ram
[02:07] <Semper> but i do have 16gb ....
[02:07] <dr_willis> i dont even browse on the netbook, its a ssh  client.
[02:07] <kellmoo69> @dr_willis Thanks for the Tip
[02:08] <Semper> dr_willis, your netbook sounds like my phone ;)
[02:08] <magbo> dr_willis: I'm looking for some magic hybrid ramfs.
[02:08] <dr_willis> my phone has moar ram then my netbook.. it also cosst 3x as much
[02:09] <Semper> :P
[02:09] <LinuxGold> back in old days, phone have no memory at all
[02:09] <smaudet> although now I see gksudo doesn't exist outside of gksu, so perhaps they already are the same?
[02:09] <LinuxGold> just switches
[02:09] <Semper> stop buying toasters then
[02:09] <dr_willis> i think my phone has 2x the video resolution of my ntbook also. ;)
[02:10] <Semper> I think I still have a gen 1 celeron laptop somewhere
[02:10] <Semper> we should race them
[02:10] <smaudet> What, is your netbook 640x320?
[02:10] <Semper> it's also taped together and missing the bottom ram panel
[02:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: yep, I have it setup on mine :P
[02:11] <dr_willis> smaudet:  they got phones now with 1080P res ;)
[02:11] <magbo> smaudet: gksu provides gksudo in Ubuntu.
[02:11] <magbo> wait
[02:11] <smaudet> dr_willis: sure, but that's not that high
[02:12] <magbo> gksu provides gksudo in Archlinux and I'm almost sure that the same is true for Ubuntu.
[02:12] <magbo> s/almost/almost completely
[02:12] <smaudet> dr_willis: its only 1920x1080, or 2.1 mp
[02:12] <smaudet> Most 10 year old cameras shoot higher def than that
[02:12] <kellmoo69> @ntzrmtthihu777 are you running Server or Desktop version Samba?
[02:13] <magbo> smaudet: not to mention 20 year old cameras :)
[02:13] <LinuxGold> anyone running drobo5N NAS?
[02:13] <magbo> LinuxGold: DATAA
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> smaudet, You have to install gksu to get gksudo which is what you should use.
[02:13] <LinuxGold> any good?
[02:13] <smaudet> dr_willis: your phone probably does have much, much higher dpi though
[02:13] <dr_willis> 1024x600 - i cant play wesonth on this one.  it wantss at least a XXXx800 sized display. ;)
[02:14] <magbo> LinuxGold: DATAA means "Don't Ask To Ask - Ask!"
[02:14] <smaudet> So it looks 'higher res' 'cause the pixels are pushed closer
[02:14] <dr_willis> my other netbook is like 800x600 or was it higher. i dont recall. its the grandkids
[02:14] <smaudet> Do you have a 1080p phone then?
[02:14] <smaudet> !ot | smaudet
[02:14] <LinuxGold> magbo on ignore
[02:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: accessing samba shares on a server from desktop.
[02:15] <sammy> so a launchpad bugreport suggests fixing an issue by purging and reinstalling update-manager, which I can't do without uninstalling a bunch of packages I'd rather not. or at least if I use apt or aptitude to do it. how can I force the re-install (or purging of) a package that other packages depend on without removing those dependent debs?
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !tab save yourself some time, just type ntz then hit tab | kellmoo69
[02:15] <smaudet> !data | LinuxGold
[02:15] <smaudet> darn
[02:15] <smaudet> !dataa | LinuxGold
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> the hell?
[02:15] <LinuxGold> lol
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !anybody
[02:15] <LinuxGold> I'm asking if it is any good
[02:15] <jrib> sammy: "an issue"?
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !tab
[02:16] <LinuxGold> ubottu was ignored already btw.
[02:16] <trism> sammy: you can reinstall with: sudo apt-get install --reinstall package; though that won't purge the config, so won't help if it is a config issue
[02:16] <trism> sammy: what bug number?
[02:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> trism: apt-get --reinstall purge?
[02:16] <ChogyDan> ntzrmtthihu777: I think it was the comma
[02:16] <magbo> This dude is hilarious, guys, dataa him more, he'll get a silent #ubuntu :D
[02:16] <LinuxGold> lol
[02:17] <sammy> trism: lemme try that. I cant beleive I didnt even grep the apt-get man for reinstall :(
[02:17] <LinuxGold> I'm trying to find a good NAS device -- saw drobo 5N NAS and wanted to know if anyone used it and if it is good or not?
[02:17] <jrib> LinuxGold: do you have an ubuntu support question?  This channel is for ubuntu support.
[02:17] <LinuxGold> I'm using it for Ubuntu
[02:17] <LinuxGold> :)
[02:17] <smaudet> I wish we could pipe replies from ubottu
[02:18] <LinuxGold> Do it have problem with Ubuntu?
[02:18] <gassho> how do i get ea origin to run on ubuntu 13.04
[02:18] <smaudet> LinuxGold: ubottu is a bot; he's a good bot; we use him to not half to type stuff to you
[02:18] <dr_willis> if the nas supports the services that ubuntu supports. there should be no problem
[02:18] <smaudet> LinuxGold: if you mute him you're not gonna get much help out of anyone here likely
[02:18]  * gassho hugs that bot :>
[02:18] <LinuxGold> I ignore bot replies
[02:18] <magbo> Does anyone know category theory?
[02:18] <jrib> magbo: try ##math
[02:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> !poll | LinuxGold
[02:19] <magbo> jrib: but I'm reading a book in it using evince on Ubuntu box.
[02:19] <LinuxGold> let me rephase -- anyne running Drobo 5N NAS on their Ubuntu servers and having any problem?
[02:19] <smaudet> s/half/have/
[02:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> LinuxGold: then in that case you're liable to get banned/kicked.
[02:19] <jrib> magbo: heh
[02:19] <LinuxGold> ok, I'll ask elsewhere related with Ubuntu...
[02:19] <dr_willis> there is the  #hardware channle that may know about stand alone nas boxs
[02:20] <kellmoo69> Arrg - frustrated newbie here - trying to set the Permission and having no luck. Get error using the following, sudo chmod 0777 /media/samba
[02:20] <kellmoo69> chmod: cannot access `/media/samba': No such file or directory
[02:20] <jfhjd> hey how do i find out if this processor is 64 bit compat?
[02:20] <jrib> kellmoo69: why are you doing that?
[02:20] <kellmoo69> almost ready to switch back to Windoze....stop me!
[02:20] <Semper> kellmoo69, can you cd to that location?
[02:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: it needs to exits, lol.
[02:20] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  you dont really chown.chmod samba share mounts.
[02:20] <jfhjd> kellmoo69: go right ahead
[02:20] <jfhjd> windows is is nsa friendly
[02:20] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  you set the permissions on the samba server, and set them when you  mount the share via the right mount options
[02:20] <jfhjd> so is my cpu 64bit compatible
[02:20] <Semper> jfhjd, google the processor
[02:20] <jfhjd> i dont know what processor this is
[02:20] <john38> Anybody know where i can find the first ubuntu release of Precise Pangolin not 12.04.1 or 12.04.2??
[02:21] <Semper> take out the processor
[02:21] <jrib> jfhjd: what OS are you using?
[02:21] <Semper> read it
[02:21] <Semper> google it
[02:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: you need to configure your samba config on the server properly, want the info/
[02:21] <jfhjd> debian i think
[02:21] <Semper> failing that
[02:21] <jrib> john38: why would you want that?
[02:21] <Semper>  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:21] <FloodBot1> Semper: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:21] <jfhjd> se
[02:21] <jfhjd> Semper: fiuybd it
[02:21] <jfhjd> found it
[02:21] <john38> jrib, because i seem to be having issues with the later releases
[02:21] <jrib> john38: what issues?
[02:21] <magbo> jrib: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:21] <Semper> I'm guessing cat /proc/cpuinfo did it?
[02:21] <smaudet> Gonna repeat my question from before; anyone know much about dbus events? rpcbind is emitting a faulty one? If not I'm just gonna ask in #dbus likely
[02:22] <jrib> smaudet: what's your actual question?
[02:22] <jfhjd> ouch 32 for me only
[02:22] <sammy> trism: bug #1053292 has two comments that suggest purging and reinstalling update-manager works, but I'd rather not (if I can avoid it) remove ubuntu-desktop and other high level packages to fix something. I should be able to purge it and leave other packages broken until I re-install the package, no?
[02:22] <jrib> jfhjd: how old is this thing?
[02:22] <john38> jrib, aww..um random shutdown to terminal with alot of output
[02:22] <smaudet> jrib: initctl's output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073017/
[02:22] <jfhjd> jrib: 5 years?
[02:22] <smaudet> I'm getting some errors on startup
[02:22] <jfhjd> maybe 5
[02:23] <john38> jrib, i dont have computer with me at the moment
[02:23] <dr_willis> sammy:  ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package - so shouldent affect anything if it gets removed
[02:23] <jfhjd> nc10 samsung
[02:23] <Johnny_Linux> should be atleast a 2gig cpu
[02:23] <smaudet> jrib: I already tracked the problem down, to the dbus event being emitted in the upstart job
[02:23] <jrib> jfhjd: what was the output of « cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags »?
[02:23] <jrib> smaudet: you're on 13.04?
[02:23] <jfhjd> flags		: fpu vme de tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm
[02:24] <kellmoo69> @ntzrmtthihu777 - That would be much appreciated if you can send me the info
[02:24] <sammy> dr_willis: true, and I think most of them that depend on update-manager are ubuntu meta packages, all but update-notifier. I was just wondering if there was a cmdline with dpkg or apt to purge something and leave dependent packages broken
[02:25] <magbo> jrib: address size (given it's x86) should yield informative result as well, but I'm not sure what will be output of it on 32bit installation.
[02:25] <jrib> smaudet: hmm, you sure that's not just upstart related?  Why do you believe dbus is involved?
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> !tab | kellmoo69 @ dies not notify the user
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> does*
[02:25] <smaudet> jrib: 12.04.3 LTS, and what might help me would be to see the output of this command: 'less /etc/init/rpcbind-boot.conf | pastebinit'
[02:25] <jfhjd> are 64 bitters faster at all
[02:25] <jfhjd> on 64 bit strings i guess they must be
[02:25] <smaudet> jrib: because if you'll run that command and look at the output it invokes initctl
[02:25] <smaudet> which is a dbus thing
[02:25] <dr_willis> i find video reencoding a bit faster on 64bit then 32
[02:26] <smaudet> the error has to do with the event being emitted, start-rpcbind
[02:26] <magbo> jfhjd: why do you think so?
[02:26] <smaudet> jrib: here's my file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073027/
[02:26] <magbo> jfhjd: I'm not even sure what do you mean with 64bit strings, but go on.
[02:28] <smaudet> jrib: if you or someone else in the channel could invoke 'sudo status rpcbind-boot' that might help me to know whether initctl or dbus is broken
[02:28] <usr13> kellmoo69: Where are you at with it?  (I've been away.)
[02:28] <smaudet> Mine is 'stop waiting'
[02:28] <jrib> smaudet: I think you're looking at the wrong file
[02:28] <LinuxGold> jfhjd: 64 bits is just more memory than 32 bits
[02:28] <smaudet> jrib: why do you say that?
[02:29] <smaudet> jrib: if you know the file where the dbus events are stored, please share :)
[02:29] <jrib> smaudet: start on: unknown event start-rpcbind <-- this indicates to me that a job specifies "start on start-rpcbind"
[02:29] <jrib> smaudet: on 13.04, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073030/
[02:30] <magbo> jfhjd: yeah, LinuxGold is correct, define "faster".
[02:30] <smaudet> jrib: looks identical
[02:30] <smaudet> jrib: how about the 'sudo status rpcbind-boot' ?
[02:30] <smaudet> And I think this file is fine, the dbus is at fault
[02:31] <jrib> smaudet: rpcbind-boot stop/waiting
[02:31] <kellmoo69> @usr13 - I'm very lost, probably because I'm tired.  But I managed to get my share showing-up from the Windoze PC, but it's asking for a username and password.  So I go ahead and userer my administrator credentials and it takes me to the share folder, but then Windows tells me that I don't have any Permission.
[02:31] <sammy> for anyone following along at home, I think this was an issue with this machine originally being a hardy heron kubuntu install and is now a gnome machine updated. all sorts of new packages wanted to install after purging update-manager and installing ubuntu-desktop again (which was installed and removed in the purge)
[02:31] <smaudet> jrib: ok, so again identical to mine
[02:31] <smaudet> jrib: do you recall seeing an rpcbind error on startup?
[02:31] <jrib> smaudet: what's in your /etc/init/portmap.conf?
[02:32] <LinuxGold> 32 bit can holdup to 4Gb where 64 bit can go as high as to 16 Eb
[02:32] <smaudet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073049/
[02:32] <jrib> smaudet: I think the real issue to investigate is "unknown event start-rpcbind" since the portmap job is waiting for that event
[02:32] <smaudet> jrib: you came to the same conclusion as me
[02:33] <jrib> smaudet: and yeah I get some rpcbind errors on boot
[02:33] <smaudet> and since that error is from initctl
[02:33] <smaudet> its a dbus problem
[02:33] <smaudet> hence my original conclusion
[02:33] <jrib> smaudet: I don't agree; but it could be.  I think it's an upstart issue
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> kellmoo69, @ does not notify the user, use tab to complete nicks.
[02:33] <usr13> kellmoo69: Oh come on, it's not that hard.
[02:33] <smaudet> jrib: like an upstart dbus api?
[02:33] <varunendra> magbo, LinuxGold, jfhjd  64 bit will either be faster or equal to 32 bit in performance, unless there is shortage of memory for what you do (like opening too many ff tabs at once).
[02:34] <jrib> smaudet: what errors are you seeing on boot?
[02:34] <smaudet> jrib: I wasn't able to fully document them, I'd have to take the machine down and bring it back up
[02:34] <smaudet> wouldn't take me too long
[02:34] <kellmoo69> usr13: I'm very lost, probably because I'm tired. But I managed to get my share showing-up from the Windoze PC, but it's asking for a username and password. So I go ahead and userer my administrator credentials and it takes me to the share folder, but then Windows tells me that I don't have any Permission.
[02:34] <smaudet> jrib: brb?
[02:34] <jrib> smaudet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073063/ from /var/log/boot.log
[02:35] <smaudet> jrib: yeah that looks like what I recall seeing
[02:35] <smaudet> jrib: empty directory, so the errors are valid
[02:35]  * smaudet googles
[02:35] <SupaYoshi> does anybody know if its possible to turn off a printer thats connected to usb?
[02:36] <SupaYoshi> with a command ?
[02:36] <SupaYoshi> so i dunt have to press the power button, i believe ubuntu was able to shutdown my printer before..
[02:36] <smaudet> hmm, one solution is to uninstall, but I already looked at the deps graph and it looked like its being used for nfs
[02:37] <smaudet> so I didn't want to get rid of it
[02:37] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, "shut down" or sleep? Sleep is a printer's inbuilt feature (if there is no activity for a long time).
[02:37] <SupaYoshi> varunendra, where the power hutton goes off.
[02:37] <jrib> smaudet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073017/ how did you get this?
[02:38] <smaudet> jrib: initctl check-config
[02:38] <smaudet> only error that comes up
[02:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: pastebinit
[02:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: pastebinit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:38] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, did you have to press the power button on the printer to be able to send a print again? I've never seen that behaviour.
[02:39] <SupaYoshi> varunendra, yes i had to turn it on again ;)
[02:39] <jrib> smaudet: I'm not convinced that's "bad" (but I'm reading http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/)
[02:39] <SupaYoshi> it would save me some power if i could shutdown the printer after being used.
[02:39] <xybre> When an upstart service fails to start, where do the logs go?
[02:39] <SupaYoshi> I dunt like wasting energy and im too stupid to turn it off manually since im so busy\
[02:40] <dr_willis> my printer (and all of them ive ever had for the last 5+ years) auto power down/sleep after a few hrs of non use.
[02:40] <smaudet> jrib: well it hasn't (afaik) caused me to have something not working, but I'd like to at least know what's going wrong
[02:40] <dr_willis> even with it on. i doubt if its taking much power
[02:40] <smaudet> small bugs can become big ones later
[02:40] <xybre> There's a /var/logs/upstart directory, but I don't see an error.log or anything
[02:40] <jrib> smaudet: have you checked bugs.ubuntu.com?
[02:41] <varunendra> dr_willis, was it a default behaviour (power down) or you had to set it in the printer?
[02:41] <jrib> xybre: upstart wiki has some debugging tips.  Poke me if you can't find it
[02:41] <smaudet> jrib: not yet; assuming its on there, unless there's a fix I need to know where/how dbus publishes events to track down the cause
[02:41] <smaudet> At least I've convinced myself of that, vaguely
[02:42] <xybre> Thanks jrib
[02:42] <dr_willis> varunendra:  always been the default for the last 4+ printers ive had.. and  for most ive seen in the last 6+ years
[02:42] <smaudet> jrib: a search pulls up current bugs on nfs
[02:43] <dr_willis> could be it was more of a power-saveing-sleep mode i guess.. not really powering down
[02:43] <kellmoo69> usr13: Thank you. Checking pastebinit now. whatever that is.
[02:44] <smaudet> jrib: rpcinfo does pull up some info so I suppose one way of investigating would be to write a small python dbus example to query the rpc interface?
[02:44] <smaudet> To see if the status message is baloney or not.
[02:44] <varunendra> dr_willis, maybe I'm too ignorant then. But I remember turning it on in the morning and being able to print in the night without needing to turn it on (HP MFPs.., P1050, Canon Inkjet,..)
[02:44] <thanigai> hello i have 3g dongle connection issue , when i connect  notification shows "Activation of network connection failed" please any help .
[02:44] <dr_willis> varunendra:  turn it on when  you first take it out of the box. :) then forget about it...
[02:45] <smaudet> jrib: know any good dbus apis I should be able to connect two?
[02:45] <smaudet> On a related note does anyone have any solid recommendations for a dbus ui?
[02:45] <dr_willis> varunendra:  mine actually has a power off switch. at the back that i cant recall the last time i used.
[02:45] <smaudet> For querying/playing with the dbus apis on my machine?
[02:45] <jrib> smaudet: weird.  I changed "start-rpcbind" in /etc/init/portmap.conf to some nonsense, ran initctl reload-configuration (even though I shouldn't need to), and check-config still mentions exactly "start-rpcbind" instead of my nonsense
[02:45] <kellmoo69> usr13: Okay that looks very cool. So it looks like that program allows me to send you my config file.
[02:46] <smaudet> jrib: it couldbe the problem is in portmap and not in rpcbind then
[02:46] <smaudet> it does say 'portmap' at the top
[02:46] <jrib> smaudet: there's a "standard" library for python dbus; but I still think you are barking up the wrong tree
[02:46] <varunendra> dr_willis, yep, that's what I call 'Sleep' then :D
[02:47] <xybre> Ah turns out its an init.d script, so it could go anywhere
[02:48] <jrib> smaudet: the real question is what does upstart consider "known events"
[02:48] <kellmoo69> usr13: Do you need the URL created for PasteBinit created?
[02:49] <jrib> smaudet: and even then, I'm not convinced this will solve the missing file error we actually see on boot; what bug did you find?
[02:49] <Hodapp> I'm on Ubuntu 13.04 on ARM; does anyone have any idea why no amount of editing /etc/hostname and rebooting seems to have any effect on my hostname?
[02:49] <dr_willis> !hostname
[02:50] <varunendra> thanigai, did you choose the correct network and APN in the Mobile Broadband configuration wizard?
[02:50] <bazhang> Hodapp, what about #ubuntu-arm   , tried there?
[02:50] <Hodapp> dr_willis: I've done both, and I've never seen /etc/hosts have any behavior on what 'hostname' reports.
[02:51] <[[thufir]]1> I'm on 12.04 LTS and think I have a hardware problem(?).  In Unity, clicking on icons doesn't always work.  no, the mouse is fine.  It's the icons.  Like, I can start pidgin, but can't click on the freenode rooms and had to use finch.
[02:51] <smaudet> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=rpcbind&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[02:51] <smaudet> eeps
[02:51] <smaudet> sorry
[02:52] <kellmoo69> usr13: Are you still there?
[02:52] <[[thufir]]1> how do I know whether the video card could perhaps be causing this?  I can't really google anything.
[02:52] <Hodapp> dr_willis: I'm setting hostname the same way I've set hostnames on Linux boxes since about 2001. If you're aware of some other mechanism Ubuntu is following for determining hostname, I'd be interested in hearing it.
[02:52] <Hodapp> But otherwise, these are the same instructions I've always followed for setting hostname.
[02:52] <smaudet> jrib: http://goo.gl/ttE96u
[02:53] <dr_willis> Hodapp:  not really seen anyone else have that issue. you may want to check askubuntu.com  i cant recall the last time i changed the hostname
[02:53] <jrib> smaudet: I think the check-config fails because rpcbind-boot fails to use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#emits
[02:53] <jrib> smaudet: (testing)
[02:53] <TNTS> Hey guys, how do I add a BIOS to PCSX
[02:54] <Hodapp> I suppose I could strace the hostname command and see WTF it is doing to figure out the hostname.
[02:54] <smaudet> jrib: I don't think so, the syntax for initctl is: initctl [op] [cmd] [op] arg
[02:54] <jrib> smaudet: yep, then upstart knows about the event.  But I doubt this is the real cause of the issue
[02:55] <varunendra> TNTS just copy the BIOS file in PCSX's BIOS directory, then choose it in its BIOS configuration.
[02:55] <smaudet> jrib: and --no-wait according to the man page is a valid option to the emit command
[02:55] <jrib> smaudet: add a line "emits start-rpcbind" after the "start on ..." line in your rpcbind-boot.conf
[02:55] <smaudet> jrib: ah ok misread
[02:55] <jrib> smaudet: you're not touching the emit line, you're adding "emits".  Yeah I missed it too at first
[02:55] <TNTS> varunendra, where is its directory? I installed via the Software Center and I have no idea where it is
[02:56] <jrib> smaudet: this is probably a solution to *a* bug but I doubt it causes the errors we see on boot.  It will make check-config pass though
[02:57] <smaudet> it does
[02:57] <smaudet> pass that is
[02:57] <smaudet> woot
[02:57] <smaudet> We fixed 'a bug' lol
[02:57] <varunendra> TNTS, ".pcsx/bios" directory in your Home. It is a hidden directory, so you'll need to press Ctrl+H to be able to see it.
[02:57] <smaudet> still doesn't start
[02:57] <jrib> smaudet: how are you testing?
[02:57] <TNTS> Oh okay I got it thanks varunendra
[02:57] <[[thufir]]1> how do I know why unity isn't letting me click on icons as normal?  could it be a video card? I have the usual unity interface for 12.04 LTS, but can't use firefox properly.
[02:57] <smaudet> initctl check-config
[02:58] <smaudet> and sudo start rpcbind-boot
[02:58] <smaudet> it doesn't error, but it stays in the stopped state
[02:58] <jrib> smaudet: are you on a fresh install or upgrade?
[02:58] <smaudet> jrib: I believe this is an upgrade from 10.04 days
[02:58] <smaudet> jrib: regularly updated, but its not 'fresh' by any means
[02:58] <jrib> smaudet: well this rpcbind-boot job doesn't really do anything other than emit that event (for portmap)
[02:59] <smaudet> jrib: the important thing would be to test if the rpcbind interface works
[02:59] <smaudet> the .xpr could be a bogus error
[02:59] <smaudet> as I said rpcinfo seems to show...stuff...
[02:59] <jrib> smaudet: portmap.conf seems to actually "do things" with rpcbind
[02:59] <smaudet> I don't know what it is
[03:00] <smaudet> jrib: yeah and portmap is already running
[03:00] <jrib> smaudet: indeed « ps -ef | grep rpcbind » is running
[03:00] <thanigai> varunendra: yes configured
[03:00] <smaudet> jrib: this actually might be the fix to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/+bug/924593
[03:01] <smaudet> jrib: I.e. I can stop/start my portmap at will
[03:01] <jrib> smaudet: rpcinfo -p localhost  output for you?
[03:01] <[[thufir]]1> how can I test my hardware, video in particular?  can't really google at the moment.
[03:02] <varunendra> thanigai, if the network type, plan and APN are correct, and the modem itself doesn't disappear after the error, it may be an issue at the ISP's end.
[03:02] <SupaYoshi> so no way to shutdown a USB printer from ubuntu?   I can click on *some* things.
[03:03] <smaudet> portmapper, status, '-', and nfs
[03:03] <smaudet> and whatever nlockmgr is
[03:04] <smaudet> Yeah I can start/stop portmap regardless of that line in the config
[03:04] <jrib> smaudet: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/+question/185320
[03:04] <thanigai> varunendra: actually it works windows os
[03:04] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, with the models I've used so far, there was no 'Need' to turn it off :). And I have used Samsung's SCX4300 and 3200
[03:06] <smaudet> jrib: looks like there's an upstream patch for the .xdr
[03:06] <varunendra> thanigai, does the modem remain active? Are you able to attempt the connection again (after the error) from NetworkManager's drop down menu? Without re-plug or anything like that.
[03:06] <smaudet> Gonna patch, restart, and let you know how it goes
[03:06] <SupaYoshi> why is that no  need?
[03:06] <SupaYoshi> it consumes power. rihght?
[03:06] <jrib> smaudet: wait, what patch?
[03:06] <smaudet> jrib: comment #4
[03:06] <[[thufir]]1> 82915G/GV/910GL integrated graphics controller VGA controller integrated graphics controller.  how can I test this hardware?
[03:06] <smaudet> Fixed in debian
[03:07] <jrib> smaudet: see #6 though
[03:07] <smaudet> looks like they're just time stamps
[03:07] <SupaYoshi> costs me around 2 dollars a month.
[03:07] <SupaYoshi> = 24 dollars  a yr cus its on 24/7
[03:07] <ccchips> Does anyone know if Nvidia and low-latency kernel work together on 13.04 yet?
[03:07] <smaudet> jrib: hmm, well one comment over another comment
[03:07] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, yes, but in milli (perhaps micro) watts. It consumes huge amounts of power (equivalent to a month's sleep state) when starting up (laser printers) - to heat the heater.
[03:07] <smaudet> only one way to find out what's right, find the source!
[03:07] <jrib> smaudet: I would see what these files are used for
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> ok
[03:08] <jrib> smaudet: you're reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645880 ?
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> that case im off to bed
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> :P
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> tc
[03:08] <varunendra> :)
[03:08] <FloodBot1> SupaYoshi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:08] <varunendra> Good night SupaYoshi
[03:08] <smaudet> jrib: yup
[03:08] <ChogyDan> ccchips: what's the low latency for?
[03:09] <thanigai> varunendra: yes after the error i can see the connection name
[03:09] <smaudet> and yes my rpcbind is running with -w, looking up now
[03:09] <jrib> smaudet: just keep in mind the patch there isn't really relevant on ubuntu
[03:09] <varunendra> thanigai, but does the NM try to connect again if you click the name?
[03:09] <loculinux> hola
[03:09] <jrib> smaudet: well, not directly applicable anyway
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, No left click highlighting?
[03:09] <thanigai> varunendra: yes , but every time the same error
[03:10] <smaudet> jrib: it looks like it is 'correct' if /run isn't cleaned out, so the real bug is somewhere in rpcbind's source code
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> or double clicking [[thufir]]1
[03:10] <jgk> hey all
[03:10] <TNTS> Okay this is another one I read just now, Linux 3.11 is out. Should I upgrade Ubuntu 13.04?
[03:10] <smaudet> Since the intent is as a statefile
[03:10] <smaudet> #6's comment makes sense in light of it being useless other than getting it to shut up
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, wont be supported here in raring is all.
[03:11] <jgk> hi all
[03:11] <Anonynimity> any idea on how I would change my ip address every x seconds?
[03:11] <DeWitt_7> hiya
[03:11] <varunendra> thanigai, what is your ISP, and what APN. Maybe I can offer more help if you are in India.
[03:12] <TNTS> wilee-nilee, what do you mean?
[03:12] <dr_willis> TNTS:  you mean the 3.11 kernel? thats  in 13.10 i notice
[03:12] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, An actual distro upgrade would bring you to the development also only supported in #ubuntu+1
[03:12] <smaudet> jrib: at any rate, thanks for your help, I can rest easier knowing that I don't have some terrible backdoor on my system for hackers to exploit (at least not with rpcbind)
[03:12] <jrib> smaudet: heh, sure
[03:13] <jrib> smaudet: I was kind of curious about that error anyway
[03:13] <smaudet> jrib: well I've got an apparmor error as well that needs fixing, that one, could be serious
[03:13] <thanigai> varunendra: ISP is airtel  and APN is airtelgprs.com i am also in india
[03:13] <smaudet> rpcbind just sounded like "remote procedure call" from Windows
[03:13] <[[thufir]]1> why would unity let me scroll some windows with the mouse wheel, click on some icons but not others, etc?  I cannot google...
[03:14] <smaudet> Will submit a patch for it anyways if I can find the appropriate product.
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, Have you modified compiz?
[03:14] <Anonynimity> nvm, I found it. :)
[03:15] <varunendra> thanigai, I'm on the same network (airtelgprs.com). They usually provide good service, but from last month, I'm getting terrible speeds. Is the speed fine on windows?
[03:15] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: no, it just happened all of sudden.  I couldn't click on firefox tabs,etc.  then I had to reboot.  now it doesn't work consistently.
[03:15] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: what could it be with compiz?
[03:16] <varunendra> thanigai, is it a GPRS plan or 3G?
[03:16] <[[thufir]]1> I'm download xubuntu-desktop to try that in a sec.  if it's compiz, will that work as a work-around?
[03:16] <thanigai> varunendra: i am also having  network connection speed issue from last month
[03:16] <cappicard> good evening. i upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. I still have to run "sudo killall pulseaudio" to get pulseaudio to pick up my audio device after start up.
[03:16] <smaudet> Yup the offending code is in warmstart.c
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, Compiz is the desktop manager, you might look up resetting the unity desktop and or compiz for your release. Really for help you need to be specific IE what icons...etc
[03:16] <thanigai> varunendra: gprs sir
[03:17] <cappicard> it's on my toshiba satellite c655-s5082 notebook. it has an intel hda audio chip
[03:17] <[[thufir]]1> I can't look things up because I can't click in firefox.  for instance, I can click on the pidgin icon in the panel, but can't click on the "room" icons in pidgin.  so, I'm using finch.   stuff like that.
[03:18] <varunendra> thanigai, I heard the 3G license of Airtel expired (can't confirm though). Probably that's the reason for the speed troubles. But I have no connectivity issues.
[03:18] <varunendra> thanigai, which modem are you using?
[03:19] <thanigai> varunendra: visiontex 3g usb modem bought from bsnl
[03:19] <smaudet> jrib: the 'patch
[03:19] <smaudet> in comment #4 on the ubuntu bug is entirely incorrect however
[03:19] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: clicking on the firefox icon works, but I can't click on tabs.  I can type in the console, but not in the firefox search box.
[03:19] <smaudet> they store some struct information
[03:20] <cappicard> my notebook has the intel hda chipset. alsa says CX20585
[03:20] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, desktop or laptop?
[03:20] <crystalline> Anyone know how to get the temp of their amd FX cpu? xsensors says 21c which has to be wrong, it's 23c in my room
[03:20] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: desktop.  12.04LTS.  it's a "used" computer.
[03:21] <varunendra> thanigai, LOL, I also have the BSNL's modem, although the micromax model - unlocked. Please paste the output of "lsusb" in the pastebin, and give us its link. I'll see if there are any known issues with your model.
[03:21] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, It sounded like you have rebooted to see if things change, and that is not always working correctly is this correct?
[03:21] <varunendra> !pastebin | thanigai
[03:22] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: yes, when things started acting weird, I did ctrl-alt-del to logout.  however, I wasn't able to use the mouse to restart the pc!  so, I rebooted with REISUB.  same sort of problem.
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, If it were me I would make another user to see if this all mirrors the same in that account.
[03:23] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: ahhh, good idea.  when I do that, how do I grant them sudo, by the way?
[03:23] <thanigai> varunendra: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073192/
[03:23] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: could this be a bad video card?
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, I believe even in that user app to make users you have the option to grant them admin.
[03:24] <TNTS> Is there a date announced for the release of 13.10?
[03:24] <varunendra> thanigai, for reference, the number to be dialled is "*99#". You can confirm it in the NM settings. (number *99#, APN airtelgprs.com, network type depends on area, mine is set to "Any")
[03:24] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: and do you think it could be hardware?  or, is that unlikely.
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[03:26] <thanigai> varunendra: both settings are same as you mentioned
[03:26] <TNTS> Thanks wilee-nilee
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, Not sure, kinda a guess at this point I would try the new user or a live cd.
[03:27] <[[thufir]]1> ok, thanks.  back in a bit :)
[03:27] <smaudet> I'm going to go ask in #debian but it looks like the patch might be as simple as putting the .xdr files in another (permanent) directory?
[03:27] <smaudet> jrib: can you think of any reason why this might be a bad idea?
[03:27] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, generally the OS numbers are the release date reversed.
[03:27] <jrib> smaudet: I don't know what those files are used for; so I don't know
[03:28] <TNTS> That's awesome! I did not notice that. Gosh, Ubuntu is a simpler than Windows than I thought
[03:29] <varunendra> thanigai, and your modem model seems to be an old one (from 2009 or earlier), so should be well supported at hardware level. I suspect the ISP more now. What is your version of Ubuntu? 32 or 64 bit?
[03:29] <smaudet> jrib: well again I'll have to ask in debian but there doesn't seem to be anything special about /run so I presume its just a bad directory choice
[03:30] <thanigai> varunendra: it is Ubuntu variant  linux mint 32 bit
[03:30] <harris> the flash player privacy box wion't let me select allow
[03:30] <jrib> smaudet: i would try to understand why rpcbind throws errors when it can't find those files
[03:31] <reisio> harris: go to full screen and then exit out of it
[03:31] <harris> f11?
[03:31] <smaudet> jrib: yeah that's what I'm doing
[03:31] <varunendra> thanigai, I believe it is an ISP issue, not a driver, application or configuration one. You should try the forums (mint or ubuntu) to see if someone has had similar issue and they solved it.
[03:32] <harris> reisio, im trying to set up rosetta stone with microphone it wont let me click allow
[03:32] <harris> in the adobe flash settings
[03:33] <dr_willis> fullscreen the flash window, then try again
[03:33] <reisio> the flash object itself, fullscreen
[03:33] <harris> how do i do that
[03:33] <dr_willis> do it with any flash video
[03:33] <harris> it isnt video im trying to let a website use my microphone
[03:33] <harris> its asking for promission
[03:34] <dr_willis> common bug not being able to click on the flash setting  widets - unless its fullscreened.  there may be other work arounds
[03:34] <dr_willis> Play a video.. set it full screen.. set the settings
[03:34] <thanigai> varunendra:  i will do it. nice chat with you. thank you sir.
[03:34] <reisio> I think it's just that fullscreening makes it work
[03:34] <dr_willis> is how ive seen it done
[03:34] <reisio> but I haven't done it in ages
[03:34] <varunendra> thanigai, np :)
[03:34] <harris> dr_willis, any youtube?
[03:34] <dr_willis> same here reisio  ive not needed it since the pink youtube disaster
[03:34] <SchrodingersScat> not using flash sounds better
[03:34] <dr_willis> harris:  try it and see
[03:35] <reisio> heheh
[03:35] <reisio> the um
[03:35] <reisio> the blue nvidia thing for me?
[03:35] <reisio> you can do it all without using Flash
[03:35] <reisio> there's a config file
[03:35] <reisio> but I don't remember where it is
[03:35] <FloodBot1> reisio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:35] <harris> i think i got it
[03:36] <reisio> FloodBot1: I like apples
[03:37] <harris> no i clicked allow then remember but it still wont work
[03:37] <reisio> just click around
[03:37] <reisio> hang on, I have some instructions for you
[03:37] <reisio> harris: http://xkcd.com/627/
[03:39] <harris> so just follow that chart?
[03:39] <gnuvince> Quick question about ~/.xsession; can you use xset inside it?  I have a line `xset b off` meant to disable X beeping, but it seems that line doesn't do anything, because when I open xterm and press backspace, my laptop beeps at me quite loudly.
[03:39] <harris> reisio, it says to ask for help
[03:39] <smaudet> reisio: XD
[03:39] <reisio> after 30 minutes :)
[03:40] <smaudet> harris: try Google Chrome
[03:40] <smaudet> it has the latest flash player installed
[03:40] <smaudet> might work better
[03:40] <reisio> gnuvince: you using ordinary Ubuntu with Unity?
[03:40] <harris> i did
[03:40] <gnuvince> reisio: Lubuntu
[03:40] <harris> i tried both
[03:40] <smaudet> harris: no dice eh
[03:40] <TNTS> What PSX emulator would you guys recommend? PCSX doesn't seem to work well..
[03:40] <smaudet> did you try the fullscreen trick then?
[03:40] <dr_willis> i thought f11 fullscreened flash
[03:40] <reisio> gnuvince: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[03:41] <smaudet> dr_willis the browser i think, not flash
[03:41] <reisio> TNTS: epsxe?
[03:41] <smaudet> dr_willis: full screen flash is a flash api call, I don't think there's a keyboard shortcut
[03:41] <reisio> TNTS: yes
[03:41] <smaudet> I've programmed in it before...
[03:41] <TNTS> reisio, through Wine or the Linux copy?
[03:41] <dr_willis> i always use some binary hex edit the flash stuff to tweak it guide. ;) to make fash stay fullscreened on my 2nd monitor ;P
[03:41] <smaudet> So I should know, unless they changed something
[03:41] <reisio> TNTS: the native version, why not...
[03:42] <smaudet> dr_willis: heh well then I suspect you have no problems ;)
[03:42] <TNTS> How would I execute it reisio?
[03:42] <reisio> dr_willis: just the 2nd monitor?
[03:42] <reisio> TNTS: uh, by running its executable, like any program?
[03:42] <TNTS> Well it doesn't open up.
[03:42] <dr_willis> reisio:  yea it makes it where it fullscreens on the 2nd monitor and does NOT unfullscreen when im doing work on the first monitor
[03:42] <reisio> TNTS: run it from a terminal
[03:42] <smaudet> harris: dr_willis is right though you might be able to find a hex-edit guide to hacking the flash into shape
[03:42] <reisio> dr_willis: with a single X session? Fancy
[03:43] <smaudet> harris: you just need to insert a couple lines of code and you should have fullscreen flash :P
[03:43] <dr_willis> i do belive ive seen some ff extensions that make flash auto fullscreen also. but  that may  be with some sites
[03:43] <reisio> I think I'd just use... an undecorated browser window
[03:43] <smaudet> (JK, don't try it unless you know what you're doing)
[03:43] <harris> hold on posting screen shot
[03:43] <reisio> or something like youtube-viewer
[03:43] <dr_willis> reisio:  its a single 1 character edit of one of the flash binary files. ;)
[03:43] <reisio> dr_willis: link? :)
[03:44] <reisio> probably won't ever use it, but I collect trivia :D
[03:44] <dr_willis> reisio:  i alwyas have to search for it on omgubuntu or webupd8
[03:44] <reisio> awe
[03:44] <harris> http://imgur.com/8tcl7D4
[03:44] <dr_willis> theres also a flash resizer exgtension that can force videos to be bigger if they wont fullsfreen. and a lights-out extension to blacken the rest of the browser/web site when watching a video
[03:44] <smaudet> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-multi-monitor-tweaks-full-screen.html
[03:45] <smaudet> plugins and flash hacks ;)
[03:45] <dr_willis> i tend to just use the flash-downloader tools ;)
[03:45] <smaudet> Disclaimer; not tested, not recommended ;)
[03:45] <dr_willis> but ive not seen any that work on hulu yet.
[03:45] <harris> dr_willis, if you look at the screenshot you will see it is not a video
[03:46] <smaudet> harris: doesn't matter
[03:46] <reisio> hrmmm
[03:46] <reisio> I wonder if juju will put these sites out of business :p
[03:46] <smaudet> if the flash runtime can be tricked into fullscreening
[03:46] <dr_willis> theres flash game-resizer/fullsfreen forcer extensions also
[03:46] <[[thufir]]> dr_willis: well, no better.  it's strange, when I get to grub I can use arrows to go up and down, but pressing "e" doesn't let me edit the entry. It's like the mouse, some stuff works, other doesn't.  I mean, it "acts" like the "e" key doesn't work, or that the mouse button doesn't work.  but I can click on users and stuff, or type "e" here, but can't use mouse/key correctly.
[03:46] <smaudet> then maybe your box will work
[03:46] <smaudet> of course the box is just a single hex feild somewhere as well
[03:46] <smaudet> so you could always hack the flash file to hell and back...
[03:46] <smaudet> again, not that I recommend it.
[03:47]  * smaudet next up, memory editing with gdb! (JK)
[03:47] <Guest14578> hi, i am running pear os 7 and the setting for startup applications graphical interface is not available on this system.  Is there a way I can manually set an application to run on startup or install another application to do this process for me?
[03:47] <[[thufir]]> from safemode, how do I mount the filesystem in root to use apt-get?
[03:47] <[[thufir]]> dr_willis: I also got messages about being in low graphics mode.
[03:48] <harris> guys i have a test to study for and NEED the mic
[03:49] <TNTS> reisio, I tried running it from terminal and here's what I got "./epsxe: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[03:49] <smaudet> harris: try the suggestions, not that we recommend any of them. My recommendation; don't use flash. Sorry =/
[03:49] <reisio> TNTS: I'd start with duckduckgo.com
[03:49] <dr_willis> harris:  check askubuntu.com perhaps
[03:50] <smaudet> harris: best of luck with your test
[03:50] <dr_willis> all i know are fixs that have worked for other flash issues
[03:50] <trism> TNTS: are you on amd64? might need libgtk2.0-0:i386
[03:51] <dr_willis> its a known flash issue that you cant click on the contriols/buttons unles the flash player is fullscreened. and adobe dosent care to fix the problem. ive also heard that if you hold down the RIGHT mouse button and try clickont on the buttons with the Left mouse button. it can sometimes work
[03:51] <TNTS> trism, yep
[03:51] <dr_willis> ive also heard if you use a  different window manager.. sometimes you can click on the flash controll buttons..
[03:52] <smaudet> harris: some real world advice; keep an Windows XP VM lying around for when you have a critical application that you need to get working, which just won't work.
[03:53] <smaudet> harris: the unfortunate truth is not everything plays nicely with Ubuntu.
[03:53] <smaudet> harris: but again, try what dr_willis suggests, you might get lucky
[03:53] <cappicard> looks like i finally found a workaround for my cx20585 audio codec. Simply putting "killall pulseaudio" into /etc/rc.local works a treat. :)
[03:53] <[[thufir]]> dr_willis: any thoughts
[03:54] <smaudet> harris: you might be able to find XP vms running in the cloud too
[03:54] <smaudet> i.e. open up a web-browser and use a windows xp box
[03:54] <harris> im just gonna use tablet ty though
[03:55] <smaudet> yup
[03:55] <smaudet> Android/iOS are a handy backup.
[03:55] <TNTS> Okay how do I install libGTK 2.0-i386?
[03:56] <smaudet> Of course if I ever get around to fixing more bugs in shumway we might be able to do away with flashplayer entirely someday.
[03:56] <smaudet> At least I expect that to be working before wine runs all windows programs
[03:56] <trism> TNTS: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386
[03:57] <reisio> TNTS: ask apt-file
[03:59] <harris> smaudet, and its government version so the app wont even work
[04:01] <smaudet> harris: WindowsXP VM then
[04:04] <LinuxGold> on ubuntu 13.04 I get the error in console i2c i2c-3: sendbytes: NAK bailout. message
[04:04] <LinuxGold> running kernel 3.11.0-996
[04:05] <wilee-nilee> LinuxGold, That kernel is not supported here for use in 13.04 technically.
[04:05] <LinuxGold> alright.
[04:10] <[[thufir]]> I'm in safemode.  When I try to install packages it says that I have held or broken packages.  From the command line, how do I fix the updates?
[04:11] <TNTS> Thanks Tristam
[04:11] <TNTS> Whoops
[04:11] <TNTS> My bad
[04:12] <LinuxGold> apt-get -f install?
[04:13] <TNTS> Okay something weird is happening. The software updater is randomly doing checks.
[04:17] <infinitux> is there a console app that can scan for any kind of physical hardware problems the system might have?
[04:18] <amp1> i have xubuntu installed and am getting a pop up window with upgrade choice to ubuntu 13.04 ...will i be able to retain the xfce desktop if i upgrade or will it shift to unity?
[04:24] <Guest82577> ANY GIRL HERE..
[04:26] <c_smith> Guest82577, dude, is that even needed in a support channel?
[04:31] <QwertyKb> Are packages for Plasma Active 4 available?
[04:33] <tannji_bl> I just did a software update in 13.04...  and it seemed to break unity and/or enlightenment.  it lets me logins?, but then the desktop is black with no gui. Has anyone seen this happen in the past few day
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> make a new user - see if they have the same issue
[04:35] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, got a link?  I dont know how to do that from cli....
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> sudo adduser billgates
[04:36] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  ah.  thsudo, correct?at will be a reg user who has to use
[04:37] <c_smith> Dr_Willis, I see what you did there. XD
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, Do you have a proprietary graphic driver installed?
[04:37] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, sorry, on crappy laptop glitching keyboard
[04:38] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  yep, of course I have prop. vid drivers that took me months to install  = )
[04:38] <tannji_bl> oop, wilnee  = )
[04:38] <NewWeek> hi all
[04:39] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, from the manufacturer directly?
[04:39] <tannji_bl> wilee-nilee, if I have the prop. drivers, will the new user still be borqued?
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> if its a user setting issue - the new user may work
[04:40] <TNTS> How do I stop the Software Updater from randomly popping up?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, manufacturer drivers may not follow kernel updates and upgrades we had one yesterday I believe.
[04:40] <tannji_bl> wilee-nilee,  I believe that I downloaded direct from ATI, yes...  but it has been a while
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> it will point us in th right way to go to find the issue
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, I would follow the DR's advice though.
[04:41] <tannji_bl> wilee-nilee,  yepper, trying now
[04:41] <dwarder> anyone uses hetzner collocation?
[04:41] <dwarder> or virtual server?
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | dwarder
[04:42] <dwarder> upon installing anything (apt-get install whatever) i have this 0% [Connecting to mirror.hetzner.de  , and it wait for 5 mins or so, then it downloads, should i change my repos?
[04:43] <Ben64> yes
[04:43] <dwarder> to what?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> may as well try :)
[04:43] <Ben64> default ubuntu ones, maybe a closer country
[04:43] <dwarder> default germany repos
[04:43] <dwarder> ?
[04:43] <dwarder> where do iget them?
[04:45] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, the new user has the same black desktop after logging in...
[04:47] <[[thufir]]> in failsafe mode, failsafeX brings up a dialog about low graphics mode and then exits (poorly).
[04:48] <[[thufir]]> I'm in Ubuntu 12.04LTS and want to install packages, but says I have held packages.  I read man apt-get, but don't see how to fix that.
[04:49] <Guest7127> hi guys, I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1"
[04:49] <Guest7127> any ideas on what this means?
[04:49] <benkillin> typie typie `apt-get install aptitude; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade;` maybe that might work [[thufir]] aptitude is a little more helpful for things like that but sometimes I find it annoying
[04:49] <Guest7127> [[thufir]] what packages are you trying to install?
[04:50] <[[thufir]]> Guest7127: I want to remove and re-install unity.  I removed it, but it's blocked.
[04:50] <Guest7127> what are you typing in to reinstall it?
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]], unity is the ubuntu desktop and a meta package.
[04:50] <[[thufir]]> before I had problems, I turned off updates and upgrades through the GUI, so something about that is disabled, I think.  I'm not sure how to re-enable it.
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> tannji_bl:  but the Login screen (graphical) works correctly?
[04:51] <Guest7127> not sure if that would matter about installing packages
[04:51] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, yessir
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  try a good old  'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[04:51] <CrAcKeR0101> hi
[04:51] <[[thufir]]> Guest7127: well, maybe not, but I'd like to try.  I'm thinking the graphics card is bad, but I'd at least like to try that.
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> tannji_bl:  that points to a driver issue witih your window manager. its possible a simpiler desktop may work . such as xubuntu, or lubuntu
[04:52] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: don't you have to upgrade before running dist-upgrade, I thought?
[04:53] <Guest7127> you should not have to run dist-upgrade
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> if you did the apt-get update  recently you dont need to rerun update. dist-upgrade is a mor eintensive upgrade
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]], dist-upgrade is not a distro upgrade
[04:53] <[[thufir]]> ok, back in a bit.  (I have to log out of IRC to run those commands)
[04:53] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  there wouldnt be a simple way to roll back the update?  = )
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> i never go back.. always move forward ;)
[04:54] <Guest7127> try running 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and if you do not have unity installed and want that then I am assuming 'sudo apt-get install unity' should work - right guys?
[04:54] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  this is why I have trouble convincing people to come back and try linux, lol
[04:54] <Guest7127> oh, he is gone
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> unity is the ubuntu desktop
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> Guest7127:  for the full ubuntu desktop you may want the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> tannji_bl:  the same people that are still using windows vista?
[04:55] <tannji_bl> no, they are probably still on XP, because they have used it for 10 years without breaking. lol
[04:55] <Guest7127> Dr_Willis, he said he uninstalled unity. not sure what that exactly means but I think he should have the rest of what encompasses ubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <Guest7127> hi guys, I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1" - Any ideas on what this means?
[04:56] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  what about changing driver to default?
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu-desktop will pull in unity and aything else he may have messed up/remived.. hopefully
[04:57] <Guest7127> oh i see
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> the psychocats website has the full mets list for 12.04's ubuntu desktop
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> meta*
[05:00] <[[thufir]]> in recovery console, as root, I can install packages, right?  It says:  cannot install , depneds lib unity cord 5.0b ut 5.18 is to be installed.  error: you have held or broken packages.  this is after running update,upgrade dist-upgrade in apt-get
[05:01] <Guest7127> [[thufir]], are you sure you are connected to the internet?
[05:01] <GeorgeTorwell> is bazhang still an op in here or did canonical exercise some better judgement finally
[05:01] <[[thufir]]> Guest7127: I hope so :)  I'm talking to *someone*.  I pinged google, yes. and, in recovery console, enabled networking.
[05:02] <LinuxGold> [[thufir]]: apt-get -f install ?
[05:02] <LinuxGold> it should install files required for that package
[05:03] <[[thufir]]> I did the -f before, yes, I don't recall exactly, but I thin it was the same error.  I would have to logout of IRC to check again.
[05:03] <Guest7127> lol just making sure. One thing I could never figure out was how to connect to the net via terminal alone. knowing how would have saved me a number of reformats after I broke something
[05:04] <LinuxGold> 'apt-get -f install' the whole line right?
[05:04] <Guest7127> I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1" - Any ideas on what this means?
[05:04] <[[thufir]]> LinuxGold: I'll go try again.  back in a moment.
[05:04] <Guest7127> anyone?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> its not to
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> oo hard to get wifi going via the cli
[05:06] <[[thufir]]> gold:  same result with -f switch to install unity.
[05:06] <crystalline> What ubuntu distro has the best 3d performance? lxde/kde/gnome/unity I want to do 3D work on linux
[05:07] <Guest7127> [[thufir]] what is the exact message you get back when you try?
[05:08] <[[thufir]]> held or broken packages.  I have to write it down, but it was that libunity core 5.05 was required (?) but 5.18.0... is to be installed.  error: you have held broken packages.  (message seems backwards).  12.04LTS
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  the disrto or desktop really wont matter.  its what3d drivers  anc chipset you have that matters
[05:09] <[[thufir]]> ah, yes, I think the graphics card bit the dust (but don't know how to test that).
[05:09] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, did you mean crystalline?
[05:10] <crystalline> I think he did... although I remember an old article said otherwise http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1210beta_desktops&num=1
[05:11] <[[thufir]]> in the meantime, I'd like to perhaps switch over to xubuntu?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> crystalline:  if you run the most minimal window manager you can.. you got more resources for your 3d app. baically
[05:11] <crystalline> Dr_Willis:  Ehh it's more about things being done well than how big things are.
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> crystalline:  the desktops that are allready using the 3d gfx part of your video card will be putting some load on the gpu allready
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> crystalline:  what app are you using to do '3d work' ?
[05:12] <crystalline> Mayaand Blender
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> you dont even have to run a desktop if you dont want to. just a simple windowq manager
[05:13] <Guest7127> So this will be the last time I ask this, just hoping someone here knows what it means: I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1" - Any ideas on what this means?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> offlineing = being able to turn the thing on/off on the fly?
[05:14] <[[thufir]]> how can I switch to xubuntu?  It's installed, but on boot it still *tries* to go into unity.  because of the graphics card problem, I can't seem to click the icon to switch over.  so, how can remove unity as an option?  Just so I can get into firefox/google/etc for now.
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  you have it set to auto login?
[05:14] <Guest7127> humm, I see. is it possible to do that?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  if not - the login screen should have some pulldown menu
[05:14] <crystalline> [[thufir]]:  I use gdm to select my desktops
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Guest7127:  on BEOS you could. ;)  i recall seeing it done. not sure why you would need to
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  your users .dmrc file defines their default desktop also
[05:15] <[[thufir]]> no, I click the user to login.  there's a pulldown menu, but, because of this weird graphics problem, I can't select all icons. I can click users, but can't click the pulldown menu for choosing unity/xubuntu/etc.
[05:15] <xtriz> i have downloaded a source package, now how can i install that package such that all the dependency of that package is automatically satisfied.
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> in .dmrc --->   Session=xubuntu
[05:15] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: thanks, back in a bit :)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> testing out xubuntu right now. havent tried it in ages. ;)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> been using lubuntu lately. but its a bit awkward in some areas
[05:16] <crystalline> Dr_Willis: Nothig has changed lol
[05:17] <crystalline> xfce is a smaller(and not dead) gnome2... although mate is gnome2
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> ages as in 3+ years - so yea a lot has changed. ;)
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> im also compareing it to lubuntu -
[05:17] <crystalline> Was lubunut even alive 3 years ago lol
[05:18] <LinuxGold> olvwm
[05:18] <Guest7127> Thanks for your response Dr_Willis. I dont think I am going to worry about failing that portion of the system test...
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Guest7127:  i doubt if it going to really matter much  ;)
[05:20] <crystalline> I wonder why Mint exists when there could simply be Mabuntu and Cinnabuntu... too bad there's no official mate/cinnamon ubuntu
[05:21] <xtriz> how can i get the source code from the ppa that i am using ?
[05:21] <crystalline> dev packages?
[05:22] <philluminati> Dev package != source package
[05:22] <[[thufir]]> I edited the ?.gdm? file for xubuntu (xubuntu-desktop did install correctly) but it boots to "sort of" unity, with the unity background but no panel.  (unity is removed.) hmm, what else can I do?  currently in recovery mode.
[05:22] <philluminati> Dev package would typically contain just header files for building against a library
[05:23] <philluminati> Apt-get is the only way I know how get source code on Ubuntu
[05:24] <philluminati> Aptitude can't do it
[05:24] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: source code for the ppa itself?  or for the packages it installs?  and, why?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> !source
[05:25] <xtriz> philluminati, i am using apt-get source to get the source but i can't get exactly.
[05:25] <crystalline> will 13.04 to 13.10 upgrading be safe? last time i did an upgrade instead of install I had soo many broken things
[05:25] <xtriz> [[thufir]], yeah source code for the ppa .
[05:25] <xtriz> crystalline, it's safe till you are not using ppa, ppa has probability of breaking things.
[05:25] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: there's no source code for "a" ppa itself, it's just a configuration file.
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  install a few other light desktops, or just window manages to see if you can select any in the lightdm login screen. if you installed the xubuntu-desktop package you should be able to select xubuntu
[05:26] <crystalline> xtriz: Ya definately have to update ppa info before dist upgrading
[05:26] <xtriz> [[thufir]], then how can i get the source of the install pacakge of that ppa ? just sudo apt-get source and that package ?
[05:27] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: dr willis, or someone, gave you alink a minute ago on how to do that.
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> !source
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> that one?
[05:27] <[[thufir]]> yup
[05:27] <xtriz> yeah :)
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> im not sure how the ppa's handle soruce.. cant say ive really needed to mess with the source
[05:28] <crystalline> Is there a list of ubuntus in terms of dev power?
[05:28] <[[thufir]]> probably, if you know the package, find the website for that project.  it's sure to be there, you can always use git.  which doesn't explain why you would want the source...?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> 'dev power' meaning?
[05:28]  * [[thufir]] is just curious.
[05:29] <crystalline> THe number of developers, manhours going in, etc.
[05:29] <UnderSampled|phn> How do I switch back to the open source radeon drivers (from using fglrx) using the recovery shell?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> i imagine unity/ubuntu is the tops. but i bet theres a lot of people diveing into that ubuntu touch. :) but its still a work in progress
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> UnderSampled|phn:  how did you install the fglrx drivers?
[05:30] <UnderSampled|phn> I used the ones available on the aid website
[05:30] <crystalline> xorg edgers = delicious evil closed drivers
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> UnderSampled|phn:  aid? ati? if you used the .run drivers.. then that .run driver i belive has a cli option to remove them
[05:31] <crystalline> UnderSampled|phn: Just install xorg edgers or stable from a repo, it'll write over your bad ones, usually
[05:31] <UnderSampled|phn> amd
[05:32] <UnderSampled|phn> what is edgers?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> im not sure using the .run drivers, then just trying to use the repo drivers to overwrite them.. is a good idea. Best would be to uninstall them
[05:33] <crystalline> UnderSampled|phn: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa is beta drivers and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates is old drivers
[05:33] <[[thufir]]> ok, I'm in console mode with at least multiple consoles now :)  I removed compiz and installed lightdm.  it gave me a message about "low graphics mode"
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> why would you remove compiz? what desktop are you trying to use?
[05:34] <[[thufir]]> there are "funny" characters in pidgin chat program, around the console "window" border
[05:34] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: anything. xubuntu would be fine.  not sure what else there is.
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop (try both  be dareing!) should work
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> may as well try 'sudo apt-get install jwm' while you are at it. ;) its about the smallest window manager ive seen
[05:35] <KI7MT> I like LXDE  .. nice and clean, few bugs though.
[05:35] <[[thufir]]> I did the first, I'll try lubuntu-desktop, too.  I tried startx just now.  jwm sounds good. thanks.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> jwm is about as basic as it gets. ;)
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> without going extreme in smallness/lightness. heh
[05:36] <venus_> hello
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> !info jwm
[05:37] <venus_> can any one tell me how to use audio line  in for the audio line out as my audio out of sound card is broken which i can use in windows with Realtek HD audio manager
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[05:38] <[[thufir]]> startx gives:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073489   (thank you pastebinit)
[05:40] <venus_> can any one tell me how to use audio line  in for the audio line out as my audio out of sound card is broken which i can use in windows with Realtek HD audio manager
[05:41] <[[thufir]]> cannot install all the desktops:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073492
[05:41] <xtriz> i have downloaded a source package, now how can i install that package such that all the dependency of that package is automatically satisfied.
[05:42] <philluminati> I'm using a phone but if you read the man pages for apt-get or aptitude there is a way to install just the dependencies
[05:43] <philluminati> Or you can install the package and then remove it
[05:44] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: you can also download the source itself, and just build it.  what's the package?
[05:45] <xtriz> [[thufir]], i was building ubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: ohhh.
[05:48] <KI7MT> xtriz, get-build-deps is the package you want. " get-build-deps is a script to install the build dependencies for either a local source package or one or more packages from the repositories."
[05:48] <ddeconti> exit
[05:48] <[[thufir]]> I ran dpk --configure -a and again tried to install the graphical desktops, but it still says "held broken packages" even with the -f flag.
[05:49] <xtriz> KI7MT, that's useful :)
[05:50] <Guest23913> hi
[05:51] <[[thufir]]> from the console, should I be able to run "startx" to get a windows manager?  paste.ubuntu.com/6073526
[05:52] <xtriz> [[thufir]], which graphical desktop are you installing ?
[05:54] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: one sec
[05:56] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: trying to install -f jwn lxde lubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073533
[05:58] <pepper_chico> guys, I like to use my bash fullscreen, and I use multiple workspaces, but anyway I change back to a workspace with my fullscreen bash window, the top menu bar keeps over the bash windows, and it takes a bit to hide, or only after I clear the bash
[05:58] <KI7MT> why lxde and lubuntu-desktop, they are on in the same.
[05:58] <pepper_chico> is there a way to fix this? and get my fullscreen window aways on top?
[05:58] <[[thufir]]> heh, didn't know that.
[05:59] <KI7MT> well I should say, lubuntu-desktop used LXDE  .. that's more accurate.
[05:59] <pepper_chico> this top menu bar is really annoying sometimes
[06:00] <KI7MT> The other thing is, why -f .. what is not installing that your trying to force ?
[06:01] <xtriz> [[thufir]], ok
[06:02] <usr13> three18ti: 13.04?
[06:02] <usr13> [[thufir]]: 13.04?
[06:02] <usr13> three18ti: Sorry, wrong nick.
[06:02] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: yes, trying to force install because it doesnt' install.  12.04LTS
[06:02] <KI7MT> What specifically is "not installing" ?
[06:02] <pepper_chico> sad but I really don't get any help or comment from this channel ever...
[06:02] <[[thufir]]> I thought it was in the pastie.  I can go back and do one by one.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: what do you mean?
[06:03] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: lubuntu-desktop fails to install with that error.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: did you re-ask your issue once in a while?
[06:04] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core
[06:04] <[[thufir]]> pepper_chico: it's very noisy.  you have to not be rude, but every ?15? minutes try again.  use pastebin.com or something to give details.
[06:04] <[[thufir]]> usr13: thx
[06:04] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, never get any help, I post doubts but hardly get any response, this happened before, I got previous issue solved by trial and error or digging forums
[06:05] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], are you install just lubuntu-desktop first when yo get that error, e.g. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: try what [[thufir]] tells you, giving as much details a spossible
[06:05] <usr13> pepper_chico: Here's how it works;  You ask questions, if someone knows an answer, they respond.
[06:05] <usr13> [[thufir]]: Is  "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core"   doing anything?
[06:06] <pepper_chico> guys, I like to use my bash fullscreen, and I use multiple workspaces, but anyway I change back to a workspace with my fullscreen bash window, the top menu bar keeps over the bash windows, and it takes a bit to hide, or only after I clear the bash
[06:06] <[[thufir]]> usr13: paste.ubuntu.com/6073551 it seems endlessly recursive.
[06:06] <KI7MT> to install the full desktop, which is recommended, you want the top meta package, lubuntu-desktop
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: can you screenshot that?
[06:08] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-default-settings
[06:08] <usr13> [[thufir]]: cat /etc/issue #What does that say?
[06:10] <[[thufir]]> usr13: heh, one sec on that. tried to install:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073556 for where the recursion ends.
[06:11] <[[thufir]]> usr13: 12.04.2LTS  for the issue..?
[06:11] <[[thufir]]> \n \l at the end of that.
[06:12] <[[thufir]]> pepper_chico: you never describe what the *problem* is, what the outcome you want is. at least, not that I can read.
[06:13] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, this is a screenshot just after switching workspace, note the top menu bar over the fullscreen bash http://imgur.com/E3y6fht
[06:14] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get update