[04:59] <UBUNTUNOOOB> hi
[05:01] <UBUNTUNOOOB>  are someone there
[05:20] <UBUNTUNOOOB> Hello
[05:27] <UBUNTUNOOOB> OK 看來沒人


[13:09] <asac> kklimonda: yeah. i started to clean the messy source up
[13:10] <asac> will take a bit longer though
[13:11] <asac> if you can package, go ahead ... should be easy to package. problem are those hundreds of megs of system libs shipped in their source tree ... thats where i am working on ... i clean up the source so it can actually be distributed (e.g. remove 500+M from source tarball and use system libs instead)
[13:24] <gringo_> hi, I followed the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Packaging but I ran into a problem.
[13:25] <gringo_> bzr buiddeb fails when running: dh_link -pmozilla-spellchecker-romanian /usr/share/mozilla-spellchecker-romanian /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/
[13:25] <gringo_> dh_link: link destination debian/mozilla-spellchecker-romanian/usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/ is a directory
[13:26] <gringo_> the sources ar at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lucian.grijincu/firefox-extensions/mozilla-spellchecker-romanian.upstream and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lucian.grijincu/firefox-extensions/mozilla-spellchecker-romanian.ubuntu
[13:26] <asac> #MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND = sh build.sh
[13:26] <gringo_> can anyone help me with this? I haven't built .debs before, let alone .debs for mozilla extensions
[13:27] <asac> gringo_: create a build script that produces a .xpi file
[13:27] <asac> i think the generic xpi.mk build system doesnt know how to do dictionaries
[13:28] <gringo_> oh. ok. for this simple extension that means zip-ing all needed files into a .xpi? am I correct?
[13:29] <asac> gringo_: try MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND = zip -r mozilla-spellchecker-romainian dictionaries/ COP* install.rdf
[13:29] <asac> sry
[13:29] <asac> gringo_: try MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND = zip -r mozilla-spellchecker-romainian.xpi dictionaries/ COP* install.rdf
[13:31] <asac> gringo_: also (not sure if this makes a difference for you), use /usr/bin/med-xpi-unpack to create the .upstream source tree
[13:31] <gringo_> ok. now it added the files to the xpi, but it still fails at
[13:31] <gringo_> dh_link -pmozilla-spellchecker-romanian /usr/share/mozilla-spellchecker-romanian /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/
[13:31] <gringo_> dh_link: link destination debian/mozilla-spellchecker-romanian/usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/ is a directory
[13:32] <asac> hmm.
[13:32] <asac> gringo_: maybe the emid autodetection fails
[13:32] <asac> gringo_: try:
[13:32] <asac> MOZ_XPI_EMID =<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:33] <gringo_> cool. fixed! :) thanx a lot!
[13:34] <asac> welcome
[13:35] <asac> gringo_: arent those dictionaries already available in the language-pack-ro*
[13:35] <asac> ?
[13:38] <kklimonda> asac: Nah, I see no reason to make a package from 600M+ sources if you are working on cleaning it up. :)
[13:40] <gringo_> there's noting usefull in language-pack-ro. in language-pack-ro I found translations for applications (.po files) and a mozilla.tar.gz, which does not contain the dictionary. only GUI transalations from what I can see.
[13:41] <gringo_> sorry, typo, i found the .po files and mozzilla.tar.gz in language-pack-ro-base.
[13:44] <asac> gringo_: well, what i thought is that we ship the -ro hunspell/myspell dictionaries
[13:45] <asac> myspell-ro
[13:45] <asac> lets check whats in there
[13:46] <asac> /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ro_RO.aff
[13:46] <asac> /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ro_RO.dic
[13:46] <asac> gringo_: do you have those?
[13:46] <asac> are those the same that you ship?
[13:46] <asac> or maybe they dont work?
[13:46] <gringo_> i'm checking to see if they are up-to-date.
[13:47] <asac> gringo_: from what i see they should show up in ffox
[13:49] <gringo_> diff /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ro-RO.aff ro.aff -u | wc -l
[13:49] <gringo_> 2106
[13:49] <asac> yeah.
[13:49] <gringo_> diff /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ro-RO.dic ro.dic -u | wc -l
[13:49] <gringo_> 380164
[13:49] <asac> but that doesnt even tell that your dicts are newer ;)
[13:50] <gringo_> these are the ones from the official romanian dictionary from addons.mozilla.org
[13:50] <asac> so point is, if our dictionaries dont work after installed myspell-ro we should rather update myspell-ro instead of packaging an extension
[13:50] <gringo_> I'm not the maintainer of that package
[13:50] <asac> or if they are not up-to-date of course
[13:51] <asac> gringo_: well. those are myspell dictionaries; this means that the addons mozilla folks copy them from somewhere
[13:51] <asac> which is probably the same place where we pick them from
[13:51] <asac> anyway. so if you think our dictionaries aren't updated, just file a bug about that in launchpad against myspell-ro
[13:52] <asac> give me bug id and i will assign someone who takes care of dictionaries
[13:52] <asac> what is "cedilla" ?
[13:52] <gringo_> i think there is a bug related to this (there was a quarrel about imporpper versioning schemes). can dictionaries be updated durring the jaunty release or must this awit for karmic?
[13:54] <asac> i am not 100% sure, but dictionaries sound like a safe thing to update in a stable distro ... given they get enough baking in development release and in -proposed
[13:54] <gringo_> windows 98 xp 2003  are incapable of displaing some romanina characters out off the box (the characters are șȘțȚ)
[13:54] <asac> heh
[13:54] <asac> yeah
[13:55] <gringo_> but they can display some characters that look similar that have a cedilla underneath, and not a comma as the correct romanian characters.
[13:56] <gringo_> ok. I'll check with myspell-ro and it's maintainer.
[13:56] <gringo_> thanks a lot again.
[13:57] <asac> gringo_: in ubuntu there is probably a different maitnainer
[13:59] <gringo_> ok I know the maintainter (Jani Monoses), he's part of Ubuntu Romania, kickstarter of Xubuntu, maintainer of KiwiLinux - ubuntu derivative for .ro and others :)
[13:59] <asac> ok
[13:59] <gringo_> I'll see what we can solve.
[13:59] <asac> if you need support let us know
[14:00] <gringo_> ok. thank you :)
[14:06] <kklimonda> hmm.. looks like a noscript extension is "a bit" out of date. Should I contact debian maintainer or make a debdiff for ubuntu?
[14:23] <asac_> 15:06 < kklimonda> hmm.. looks like a noscript extension is "a bit" out of date. Should I contact debian maintainer or make  a debdiff for ubuntu?
[14:24] <asac_> 15:21 < asac> kklimonda: is that extension in code.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions `
[14:24] <asac_> 15:21 < asac> ?
[14:36] <kklimonda> asac: doesn't look like it
[14:44] <asac> kklimonda: your preference. if debdiff is easy we can do that and file a "please update bug" and attach it to debian
[14:44] <asac> (and upload direclty to ubuntu)
[15:50] <gnomefreak> does firefox use hunspell as spell checker?
[16:19] <gnomefreak> asac: you around we need to move ubufox to suggests from reommends in 3.5 3.6 3.0 is fine. not sure why it was moved to recommends. If im not here if you reply please email me but talking about bug 365965
[16:31] <gnomefreak> i think lp just died
[16:36] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: you were packaging firegpg (well, you are listed as a contact on wiki)? What has happened to it?
[16:37] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: nothing yet i have it in my PPA at the moment. I am waiting for a out come of the Iceweasel branding of our extension packages. I will update it to latest when i get time.
[16:38] <gnomefreak> ass i recall iceweasel-firegpg ot whatever the name is is in repos but older version than in my PPA and that is old as well
[16:40] <kklimonda> you are building it from source or use .xpi ?
[16:40] <kklimonda> yeah, it's old :)
[16:41] <gnomefreak> from source using svn IIRC
[16:44] <gnomefreak> ill be back im doing upgrades and its going to be a while
[16:49] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: if i find time thursday or friday or later i will update it
[16:49] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: k, thanks :)
[16:49] <gnomefreak> np
[16:55] <gnomefreak> theres an issue here damnit
[16:59] <gnomefreak> something is really fucked up here. cant use firefox cant open thunderbird nor seamonkey can open epiphany or any other browser and email
[17:00]  * gnomefreak has a bad feeling about this :(
[17:01] <gnomefreak> failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1):  during updates and email provides low diskspace and i know o have plenty left like 50 gigs left
[17:04] <gnomefreak> maybe a bit longer before i get to firegpg :(
[17:05] <gnomefreak> There is not enough space on the destination. Try to remove files to make space.
[17:05] <gnomefreak> what the hell borke
[17:05] <gnomefreak> broke
[17:09] <gringo_> gnomefreak: run a "df" and see if you have mounted file systems with no or little space.
[17:09] <gnomefreak> its not reading my disk space correctly
[17:09] <gnomefreak> its seeing it as a 20 gig when its 80 gig
[17:09] <gringo_> maybe it's trying to write to a full disk.
[17:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: is it showing your drive smaller that it originally was?
[17:10] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes
[17:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: did you repartition recently?
[17:10] <gringo_> only firefox?
[17:10] <gnomefreak> ill be back im going to find the problem i hope
[17:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: i installed to use the full disk and it worked fine until today i havent been online in 4 or so days
[17:11] <gnomefreak> ill be back
[17:11] <micahg> ok
[17:11] <micahg> ok, bug 310207, user says custom font is causing trouble
[17:11] <micahg> I"m guessing we don't support somethingl ike this, right?
[19:37] <micahg> Do we support the Mouse Gestures Redox addon?  Is there an Ubuntu package for it?
[20:29] <asac> micahg: yeah. we have that package
[20:29] <asac> mozgest ... packaged in a firefox-extensions branch even
[20:29] <asac> (iirc9
[20:30] <micahg> asac: is it the redox version though?
[20:30] <asac> yes
[20:30] <micahg> ok
[20:30] <asac> well. there is a non-free binary component that we cant ship
[20:30] <asac> but that doesnt work anyway and the author has lost the sources ;)
[20:30] <micahg> ok
[20:30] <micahg> so I"ll move that bug to the appropriate package
[20:30] <asac> yes
[20:31] <asac> micahg: well. only if they see the bug in the packaged version
[20:31] <micahg> I've got the new FF3.0 bugs under 640 now
[20:31] <micahg> I'll check the  packaged version
[20:31] <asac> tell them to use package and uninstall their profile version in toolls -> addons
[20:31] <micahg> They had a fix by changing a setting
[20:31] <asac> if there is a simple fix, we can probably do it
[20:31] <asac> let me know what you fincd
[20:32] <micahg> ok
[20:32] <micahg> I've been using the FF daily version
[20:32] <micahg> seems pretty stable
[20:32] <micahg> Also, a new profile in 3.0 fixed FF acting slow
[20:33] <micahg> I'm learning a lot triaging
[20:33] <asac> yeah
[20:34] <asac> if you can identify which parts slow things down that would be another step ;)
[20:34] <micahg> I have the profile saves
[20:34] <micahg> I just use firefox -p to launch now
[20:35] <micahg> I still need to make that flash troubleshooting page
[20:35] <micahg> but I've been busy
[20:35] <asac> yeah.
[20:35] <BUGabundo> I just use the Guest Session so I always have a clean profile
[20:35] <asac> i think time woudl be better served by fixing the flash situation rather than investing lots of time in wiki pages that describe workarounds ;)
[20:35] <BUGabundo> and that way I don't have to close my Firefox process
[20:36] <BUGabundo> asac: documention is always good
[20:37] <asac> well, documentation yes, but workarounds ;) ? ... no.
[20:38] <micahg> asac: not workarounds, but troubleshooting
[20:38] <asac> yeah
[20:38] <asac> if its a bug triage page its definitly better ;)
[20:38] <micahg> yep, that's the stuff you gave me
[20:40] <e-jat> hi asac
[20:40] <asac> hi
[20:40] <asac> e-jat: cool. so you are malay translator?
[20:40] <e-jat> a part of the team ..
[20:41] <asac> great. and how many are you?
[20:42] <e-jat> for ff i think +- 15 people
[20:43] <e-jat> but for ubuntu-l10n-ms currently have 42 active member
[20:43] <e-jat> sorry to interrupt your conversation with micahg
[20:43] <micahg> e-jat: np
[20:43] <e-jat> so .. do i need to translate the jar file that u send to me ?
[20:44] <asac> no
[20:44] <e-jat> example u send to me is ast right ?
[20:44] <asac> e-jat: do you have a link to the xulrunner-1.9/firefox-3.0 translation state in launchpad?
[20:45] <micahg> asac: we have 1.9 in Ubuntu and user was using 2.0.3
[20:45] <micahg> for mozgets
[20:45] <micahg> mozgest
[20:45] <e-jat> xpi po ?
[20:45] <asac> micahg: yeah. tell him to check the package we have
[20:45] <asac> e-jat: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/firefox-3.0/+pots/firefox/ms/+translate
[20:46] <asac> e-jat: thats quite complete
[20:46] <asac> however: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+pots/xulrunner/ms/+translate
[20:46] <asac> thats incomplete ;)
[20:46] <e-jat> owh ..
[20:47] <e-jat> now i got it ..
[20:47] <asac> e-jat: anyway. looking forward i think we want to translate firefox-3.5 and xulrunner-1.9.2 ...
[20:47] <asac> however there are no translation packages yet avaialble for that
[20:47] <e-jat> ic ..
[20:47] <asac> so what we can do i setup the template for ffox 3.5 in launchpad firefox project
[20:47] <asac> let me try
[20:47] <BUGabundo> asac: imagine me as noob: what's the diff between xul and ff ?
[20:48] <micahg> asac: should I move the bug from ff3 to mozgest?
[20:48] <asac> e-jat: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/firefox/3.5
[20:48] <e-jat> BUGabundo: nice Q
[20:48] <asac> BUGabundo: xulrunner is for firefox what gtk and libgnome is for any gnome app ;)
[20:49] <micahg> It's also the basis for Thunderbird and Songbird
[20:49] <asac> so in other words: xulrunner is the runtime environment and sdk that allows you to build apps like firefox or thunderbird
[20:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:49] <e-jat> ic
[20:49] <BUGabundo> now I know a bit more
[20:49] <asac> firefox/thunderbird are in theory just a thin layer on top of all the xulrunner toolkit ...
[20:49] <asac> ;)
[20:50] <micahg> asac: should I move the bug from ff3 to mozgest?
[20:51] <asac> micahg: yeah
[20:51] <micahg> thanks
[20:51] <e-jat> asac: so its mean .. u will be using ff 3.0 for ff3.5 ?
[20:51] <asac> e-jat: so ... what i am now trying to do is to upload the ffox 3.5 template to the firefox project
[20:52] <asac> e-jat: the tradeoff is that the strings wont show up on the ubuntu translation page ... instead you would need to go to the firefox page and translate there
[20:52] <asac> to get things started you can probably upload the current ffox 3.0 translations
[20:52] <asac> most likely that will give you a good start
[20:53] <e-jat> ic
[20:54] <asac> e-jat: so... i have to build xulrunner 1.9.1 and firefox-3.5 now ... that will take about an hour ... then i have the en-US.xpi templates
[20:54] <asac> i can upload
[20:55] <e-jat> y not 1.9.2  ?
[20:55] <asac> e-jat: ffox 3.5 is xulrunner 1.9.1
[20:55] <e-jat> asac: thanks . so i can tell my team to start work out for 3.5 templates
[20:55] <asac> ffox 3.6 is xulrunner 1.9.2
[20:55] <asac> e-jat: right
[20:55] <e-jat> asac: owh ok ..
[20:55] <e-jat> ic
[20:56] <e-jat> have tested 3.6 .. but not all addon supported right :)
[20:56] <asac> sure.
[20:56] <asac> most likely for quite a long time still
[20:56] <asac> first ffox 3.5 needs to get out
[20:56] <asac> that can take long time ;)
[20:57] <e-jat> :)
[20:57] <e-jat> asac: its good if malays will be in 3.5
[20:58] <e-jat> so we can push all government agencies to use ff :)
[20:58] <asac> yeah. lets work on that
[20:58]  * BUGabundo is using 3.6 as main browser
[20:58] <asac> most likely you will not be ready for the first release
[20:58] <asac> but translations are regularly added after release
[20:58] <e-jat> even our loco bank using ff for their kiosk
[20:58] <e-jat> asac: its ok ..
[20:58] <asac> e-jat: now they just need to switch to ubuntu ;)
[20:59] <asac> that would be even better
[20:59] <e-jat> asac: huhu
[20:59] <e-jat> asac: some of the agencies here already use ubuntu ..
[20:59] <BUGabundo> e-jat: that's seems a nice place for a FOSS lover to be
[20:59] <asac> e-jat: is there a malay windows at all ;)
[20:59] <asac> ?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> here its REALLY hard to see that
[21:00] <asac> i heard that internationalization for win was really bad
[21:00] <e-jat> asac: not sure about it ..
[21:00] <e-jat> i think here .. they still use EN as default
[21:00] <asac> heh
[21:00] <e-jat> asac: i guess so ..
[21:02] <micahg> asac: do I get a prize if I can get New FF3 bugs under 600?
[21:02] <micahg> :)
[21:03] <e-jat> micahg: winks
[21:04] <asac> micahg: heh ;)
[21:04] <micahg> also, I don't usually get feedback from people
[21:05] <asac> yeah
[21:05] <micahg> I think I've set about 50 bugs to incomplete in teh past week/week.5, but only got about 3 responses
[21:05] <micahg> also, Is there a doc for what to use tags for on bugs?
[21:05] <asac> thats the normal ratio if you ask users to re-test
[21:06] <asac> micahg: we dont use anything specific for tags anymore
[21:06] <asac> at lesat for mozilla stuff
[21:06] <micahg> ok
[21:06] <micahg> good to know
[21:06] <micahg> I won't have to worry about tags until finish with mozilla stuff
[21:06] <micahg> asac: do you run all the mozilla packages (TB, FF,, ...)?
[21:06] <asac> micahg: if there is a bug you dont know which package they belong to (filed against wrong firefox package), just remove the package name
[21:06] <asac> some folks process bugs without packages (e.g. just Ubuntu) regularly
[21:07] <asac> micahg: well. i dont run all all the time
[21:07] <asac> i usually test htem
[21:07] <asac> besides from that i use trunk for ffox and tbird 3 for bugmail
[21:07] <micahg> sorry, I meant in Ubuntu
[21:08] <micahg> as in PM
[21:17] <e-jat> asac: may i ask .. if previouly i use gnome .. then currently i use kde .. how do i make the save as dialog box using kde dialog box rather than nautilus ?
[21:18] <e-jat> previously i need to hack/edit file in xulrunner ..
[21:18] <BUGabundo> e-jat: AFAIK Mozilla uses it own box
[21:18] <e-jat> BUGabundo: owh ok ..
[21:19] <e-jat> so its mean .. mozilla will use the same box whether in any desktop right /
[21:19] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:19] <BUGabundo> again, AFAIK
[21:20] <e-jat> owh ok ..


[07:24] <valorie> going to bed, but we might RT: https://twitter.com/cool_aardvark/status/1284425196854751234