[07:06] <Guest13> hello everybody!
[07:06] <Guest13> can anyone help me?
[07:18] <Guest13> i need help for install jagex launcher
[07:35] <Guest13> im waiting for help! all help is nice
[07:37] <Guest13> i try install jagex launcher from lutris but it freezes when install
[07:44] <Guest13> dragonslicer hello!
[07:44] <Guest13> ircsomebot hello!
[07:50] <Guest13> dragonslicer hello! ircsomebot hello!
[07:53] <Guest13> https://snipboard.io/kpBqEw.jpg its freezes! what i should do?
[08:06] <Guest13> im waiting for help  =) would be nice if you can help
[08:11] <oerheks> hi Guest13
[08:12] <oerheks> seek support with jagex? we only can give support for packages in our repos.
[08:13] <oerheks> https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/launcher and hit support
[08:16] <Guest13> oerheks where i can get support?
[08:17] <oerheks> on their site? they have no channel on #libera
[08:18] <oerheks> it could well be a lutris thing, dunno
[08:19] <Guest13> so i go #lutris
[08:19] <Guest13> ?
[08:19] <Guest13> it freezes when i download jagex launcher
[08:25] <Guest13> oerheks do i need jagex launcher if i download steam to my kubuntu?
[08:28] <oerheks> use the package from https://store.steampowered.com/about/
[08:30] <oerheks> or snap ? https://snapcraft.io/steam
[08:31] <Guest13> oerheks how i can learn linux more?
[08:32] <oerheks> by using it, trial and error, using a search engine to find answers and IRC
[08:33] <Guest13> is it worth it to learn linux or should i change to windows? what is your opinion about linux?
[08:34] <oerheks> certainly open source software is oke, maybe linux is not wat you expected. still, it is better than 10 years ago
[08:38] <Guest13> oerheks be nice and help me with jagex launcher =)
[08:38] <Guest13> would be very nice if you can help
 Can i expand the UEFI partition?
 Kde partition manager wont let me
[08:50] <Guest13> ircsomebot hello again!
[08:50] <Guest13> please help me with jagex launcher, i really want play Oldschoolrunescape
[09:04] <Guest13> oerheks can you help me step by step to install oldschoolrunescape?
 Nothing on Google about it? (re @IrcsomeBot: <Guest13> oerheks can you help me step by step to install oldschoolrunescape?)
 Try  chatGPT
[09:24] <oerheks> Guest13, no. sorry, find support in #lutris or #wine
[09:24] <oerheks> i do only free software from our repos.
[09:28] <Guest13> ok
[10:05] <Guest13> oerheks can you teach me how to install league of legends game with konsole?
[10:05] <Guest13> from lutris it doesnt work
[10:06] <oerheks> if you cannot join #lutris or #winehq, you would get a message to register your nickname..
[10:07] <oerheks> !wine
[13:14] <ThriliumBR> Hi
[13:14] <ThriliumBR> Anywere here?
[13:14] <ThriliumBR> I,m testing this chat for the first time
[13:17] <diogenes_Vx15> ThriliumBR, welcome!
[13:20] <ThriliumBR> Thank you. I'm learning about Linux world
[13:21] <ThriliumBR> I,m a KDE User. I like this version of linux
[13:22] <diogenes_Vx15> ThriliumBR, enjoy your Linux journey!
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Can enyone tell me why kde partition manager wont let me extend the UEFI partition?
 It's only 100 M i waana make it 1 gig
[19:18] <diogenes_Vx15> Omar, in order to extend partition you need to make free space and then to add that free space to the desired partition but there is a problem, since UEFI is a fat32 partition, i don't know how well the filesystem operations are supported.
 There is a free space next to the UEFI partition (re @IrcsomeBot: <diogenes_Vx15> Omar, in order to extend partition you need to make free space and then to add that free space to the desired partition but there is a problem, since UEFI is a fat32 partition, i don't know how well the filesystem operations are supported.)
[20:23] <diogenes_Vx15> Omar, i would recommend to use gparted for that.
[20:48] <oerheks> i'd say reinstall, omar.
[21:39] <valorie> before making either choice, I would advise backing up anything on that drive that's important to keep
[22:36] <oerheks> jups, but if you have no backup already, your data is unimportant


[00:00] <n2diy_> I upgraded my test box from 12.04 to 12.10, and now X doesn't display correctly, and the mouse isn't working. I can use command line in a console.
[00:00] <n2diy_> how do you reconfigure X in 12.10?
[00:04] <n2diy_> ok, re-installing 12.04
[00:07] <wonderworld> n2diy_: you could try -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:11] <n2diy_> wonderworld, I did, that doesn't seem to be an option anymore, looks like that stopped working back with Hardy Heron?
[00:11] <wonderworld> hmm. maybe
[00:12] <wonderworld> you could try to find out the new window manager then and dpkg-reconfigure it's package
[00:13] <n2diy_> wonderworld, lightdm? I looked in its logs, and it showed a failed setup using something-reconfigure.py, and it failed because the file wasn't found.
[00:16] <wonderworld> n2diy_: maybe this can help -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[00:16] <wonderworld> section: What to do if things go wrong
[00:17] <wonderworld> i haven't have GUI problems for years, so i can't really help
[00:18] <n2diy_> wonderworld, done deal now, repartitioning now. I'll look at that for future refrence. I'll wait a couple weeks and download the iso, and try later. It's a test box, so nothing lost, except some time a some new grey hairs.
[00:19] <wonderworld> i reinstalled as well, because i ran into sound problems after upgrading
[00:19] <wonderworld> didn't want to debug it
[00:19] <wonderworld> fresh install runs phantastic
[00:20] <wonderworld> even a bug i hated got fixed, so i am really happy with 12.10
[00:21] <n2diy_> wonderworld, the upgrade went fine, no errors at all, just wouldn't reboot into X. Yea, I'll wait awhile, get the iso, and install locally.
[00:22] <awutz> what is the name of the icon theme that's used in xubuntu 12.10?
[00:23] <wonderworld> elementary XFCE. https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce
[00:25] <awutz> wonderworld: and window theme is greybird  - correct?
[00:26] <wonderworld> unsure, i changed mine from the default
[00:36] <awutz> wonderworld: nice. xfce on arch now looks better.
[00:42] <joeeeee> may i ask?
[00:43] <joeeeee> hey may i ask
[00:43] <joeeeee> ?
[01:22] <PoorCollegeGuy> hello, has anyone here had any experience with downloading and installing the android sdk on xubuntu?
[01:51] <joeeeee> hey may i  ask ?
[01:54] <joeeeee>  when i plug headphone jack speakers don't mute
[02:13] <xubuntu256> halp
[02:13] <xubuntu256> xubuntu is haxing my system
[02:14] <Arizona> loling irl
[02:17] <xubuntu890> IM DOUBLY HAXED
[02:17] <bazhang> xubuntu890, paste the error.
[02:17] <xubuntu256> XUBUNTU: WHAT R U DOIN
[02:17] <xubuntu890> XUBUNTU: STAHP!
[02:17] <bazhang> !paste | xubuntu890
[02:25] <PoorCollegeGuy> why +q xubuntu?
[02:25] <xrs1> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/212154
[02:26] <Arizona> PoorCollegeGuy: most likely
[02:26] <Arizona> because he's trolling
[02:26] <xrs1> any one have any clue whats going on or should I just go back to 12.04.1?
[02:26] <Arizona> :P
[02:27] <PoorCollegeGuy> Arizona, i figured as much, curiosity killed the cat lol
[02:27] <PoorCollegeGuy> xrs1: i've never had a problem connecting mass usb storage before so I can't help answer that :(
[02:27] <Arizona> lol
[02:28] <xrs1> yeah when the problem first arose, one of the devs thought it was just user error
[02:28] <n2diy_> 12.04 re-installed, now 323 updates to install.
[02:28] <xrs1> thats the nice thing about updates. you can have a failed install repaired
[02:29] <PoorCollegeGuy> xrs1, lots of things could be wrong. I somehow managed to install Lubuntu wrong and I had no volume controls at all (even added it and indicators to panel...nothing)
[02:29] <PoorCollegeGuy> not relevant to your situation per say, but a testament to how screwy linux installations can be sometimes
[02:39] <xrs1> okay i fixed it!
[02:40] <xrs1> i deleted the /media/%user% folder and did it again and now its working
[02:55] <unheeding> mwahahaha
[03:13] <xubuntu354> hello
[03:14] <xubuntu354> i am installing xubuntu because ubuntu is not great anymore
[03:17] <strtok> lol
[05:16] <bricot> Hi, I just updated to 12.10. The upper panel doesn't auto hide any more (yes, it is ticked). Anyone experienced this?
[05:24] <xubuntu676> ru
[05:24] <unheeding> R U?
[05:25] <unheeding> how's the install going
[05:25] <xubuntu676> hello, world
[05:26] <xubuntu676> help set up the microphone
[05:28] <xubuntu676> I removed pulseaudio
[05:29] <xubuntu676> my distro xubuntu 12.04
[05:33] <well_laid_lawn> !ru
[06:18] <sawrub> helllo all....I'm new to the world of ubuntu...but have been using fedora for quite a some time..Here I'm facing problem with the xubuntu 12.10, that I installed today itself
[06:19] <sawrub> post installation I restarted the machime and I'm not able to see any display...the screen remains blank
[06:20] <sawrub> any help get my display back will be great
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> sawrub: you might need to do something with kernel mode setting - kms
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> what's the graphics card?
[06:39] <sawrub> well_laid_lawn: how do I check it
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> experienced linux user here - I check that sort of infoon any new comp I have before installing.... maybe boot into the live cd and check
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> s/ifoon/info on/
[06:42] <sawrub> amd radeon
[06:42] <baizon> sawrub: add nomodeset to your boot option or install the proprietary drivers will fix the problem
[06:42] <baizon> proprietary driver = fglrx
[06:42] <sawrub> oki...googling
[06:43] <baizon> nice :)
[06:45] <sawrub> will I have to install ATI binary X.Org drivers
[06:45] <baizon> sawrub: thats one sollution
[06:45] <baizon> worked for me
[06:46] <baizon> nomodeset its a little bit more complicated
[06:46] <sawrub> 0kk ...i searched for ATI in Ubuntu software centre...and there are couple of them to be installed
[06:47] <baizon> just install the fglrx package, the other ones will install automatically
[06:47] <sawrub> btw...is ati for amd radeon
[06:47] <baizon> because they are dependencies
[06:47] <baizon> sawrub: yes
[06:47] <sawrub> oki
[06:47] <sawrub> thanks
[06:47] <baizon> amd have buyd ati :)
[06:49] <sawrub> fine the download is ON. let me see. its 119 MB
[06:49] <baizon> yep
[06:49] <sawrub> thanks for the help and knowledge
[06:51] <baizon> np
[07:03] <Wizard> Good morning.
[07:03] <bin_bash> h
[07:05] <PoorCollegeGuy> hello
[07:07] <bin_bash> Is this channel less n00btasting that the regular #ubuntu channel
[07:09] <PoorCollegeGuy> i noticed that lol
[07:09] <bin_bash> >tastic
[07:09] <bin_bash> not tasting
[07:12] <PoorCollegeGuy> i think it's because fewer noobs stray from the comfortable confines of ubuntu
[07:12] <bin_bash> how is unity comfortable
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu is dead easy
[07:13] <PoorCollegeGuy> my first, third, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 10th distros were vanilla ubuntu
[07:13] <PoorCollegeGuy> with linux mint, arch, lubuntu, fedora, and xubuntu making up the rest
[07:13] <PoorCollegeGuy> xubuntu is dead easy
[07:13] <PoorCollegeGuy> i've had almost no problems working my way around xubuntu so far
[07:16] <bin_bash> I liked XFCE for a while
[07:16] <bin_bash> I was fondly reminded of gnome2
[07:18] <PoorCollegeGuy> it's really nice
[07:19] <PoorCollegeGuy> and my computer runs beautifully on it
[07:19] <PoorCollegeGuy> it lagged like hell on linux mint :(
[07:20] <bin_bash> I have Xubuntu installed on my mom's pent4 dell desktop
[07:21] <bin_bash> it's slow but meh
[07:22] <Wizard> Hmm, my 1,5GHz G4 still runs well.
[07:22] <bin_bash> the dying HDD is bottlenecking it
[07:28] <PoorCollegeGuy> it's not dying
[07:28] <PoorCollegeGuy> it's something i think i'm doing
[07:28] <PoorCollegeGuy> or cinnamon just doesn't play well with my APU
[07:28] <bin_bash> I'm... not talking about you
[07:36] <PoorCollegeGuy> i thought you were
[07:37] <PoorCollegeGuy> since i'm the one with the issue and Wizard isn't lol
[07:37] <bin_bash> no lol i'm talking about my mom's desktop
 I have Xubuntu installed on my mom's pent4 dell desktop
 it's slow but meh
 the dying HDD is bottlenecking it
[07:47] <Wizard> :)
[07:54] <PoorCollegeGuy> well it had scrolled down passed that when i saw it
[07:54] <PoorCollegeGuy> so cool your jets, there's no fire
[07:56] <sawrub> hey, another problem that i'm facing on the fresh installation of ubuntu
[07:56] <sawrub> system freeze on wifi
[07:57] <sawrub> are there any other users facing issues with 'Atheros Communications Inc. AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)'
[07:58] <well_laid_lawn> sawrub: anything in dmesg about it hanging?
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> dmesg | tail
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> should mention it
[08:02] <sawrub> well_laid_lawn : had to hard boot my machine will the logs be still there..
[08:03] <well_laid_lawn> maybe
[08:03] <well_laid_lawn> that's the best I can offer from here
[08:10] <uzver> maybe some output in /var/log/syslog
[08:18] <Wizard> sawrub: Yup, check logs :)
[08:19] <sawrub> yes..looking into them
[08:19] <sawrub> /var/log/syslog is having some info
[08:21] <Wizard> Yay, small step for man..
[08:40] <sawrub> was trying to study...them but could not get much..'who -b' gives me the boot time as 2012-10-24 13:19 so here i paste the logs before the present session when i had to hard boot the machine
[08:40] <sawrub> http://pastebin.com/2f7C9XEP
[08:44] <bin_bash> PoorCollegeGuy, https://images.4chan.org/g/src/1351057788783.png
[09:11] <joeeeee> what is the default font name of xubuntu 12.4?
[09:12] <TheSheep> Droid Sans
[09:12] <knome> tbe, it's 12.04
[09:12] <Wizard> This is a really nice font :)
[09:13] <bin_bash> ew sans
[09:14] <Wizard> You use serif fonts? :D
[09:14] <bin_bash> I use Terminus in the console/terminal and Inconsolata in the GUI
[09:15] <Wizard> C64 nostalgy?
[09:15] <bin_bash> wut
[09:15] <Wizard> Monospace font everywhere?
[09:15] <bin_bash> yup
[09:15] <apm1> fonts , don't you guys have anything better to talk about :p
[09:16] <apm1> like the bugs in 12.10
[09:16] <bin_bash> I'm not using Ewbuntu
[09:16] <joeeeee> when i plug headphone jack speakers don't mute
[09:16] <apm1> who decided to use linux 3.5 which is unstable as hell for the 12.10 release ? :p
[09:17] <bin_bash> 3.5 is unstable?
[09:17] <apm1> yes imho it is :)
[09:17] <TheSheep> apm1: maybe you should take it to xubuntu-trolling?
[09:17] <TheSheep> bin_bash: no it isn't, kenrel did away with the 'even-stable odd-unstable' rule long ago
[09:18] <TheSheep> kernel
[09:18] <bin_bash> TheSheep, I'm using 3.4.6 anyway
[09:18] <apm1> TheSheep, well i am not trolling , i was just pissed at  3.5 's unstability compared to 3.2 :)
[09:18] <TheSheep> apm1: you are
[09:18] <TheSheep> apm1: stop it
[09:19] <apm1> TheSheep, ok won't bother anyone now :(
[09:21] <joeeeee> when i plug headphone jack speakers don't mute how i fix this ?
[09:21] <bin_bash> check your alsa/pulse/jack settngs?
[09:22] <apm1> you may yell at me guys but i have to report an issue with xubuntu 12.04
[09:23] <bin_bash> PoorCollegeGuy, are you awake
[09:23] <apm1> on my macbookpro the line in port has a little red glowing all the time
[09:24] <apm1> the solution was to mute the port in alsamixer
[09:25] <apm1> this only happens on *buntus and not debian , thus making it a *buntu specific bug :(
[09:25] <bin_bash> Mine has the red light all the time too
[09:25] <bin_bash> it doesnt do anyting
[09:25] <apm1> bin_bash, type alsamixer in a tty
[09:26] <bin_bash> ...I know how to use alsa lol
[09:26] <apm1> bin_bash, then why don't you turn it off ?
[09:26] <bin_bash> because idc?
[09:26] <bin_bash> it doesn't effect me
[09:27] <bin_bash> And whether the headphone is muted or not the light stays on
[09:27] <bin_bash> only problem I ever have
[09:27] <bin_bash> is skype
[09:27] <bin_bash> fucking. skype.
[09:28] <Unit193> !language | bin_bash
[09:28] <apm1> bin_bash, well the light turns off on my mac when i mute the headphone port using cli alsa , the gui mixer can't do it
[09:28] <bin_bash> ...seriously? language warning?
[09:28] <bin_bash> What GUI mixer?
[09:28] <bin_bash> Also, it goes off when I mute S/PDIF
[09:29] <bin_bash> but i like it on
[09:29] <apm1> bin_bash, but it is a bug ?
[09:29] <bin_bash> no?
[09:29] <TheSheep> bin_bash: the red light is a IEC958 output, you can disable it with xfce4 mixed, here is a switch for it
[09:29] <bin_bash> I don't use XFCE
[09:30] <TheSheep> bin_bash: then we can't help you
[09:30] <bin_bash> ...I don't need help
[09:30] <bin_bash> I was just telling apm1 that the light on mine is on too, and that I like it.
[09:30] <TheSheep> bin_bash: I see, well, that light is audio output for a fiberoptics cable
[09:31] <apm1> TheSheep, i know i can disable it but shouldn't it be off in the first place ?
[09:31] <TheSheep> apm1: why?
[09:31] <bin_bash> ^
[09:31] <apm1> because well on os x it isn't on by default ?
[09:31] <TheSheep> apm1: xubuntu is not os x
[09:31] <bin_bash> Wow.
[09:32] <apm1> i know , but how come debian operates the hardware like os x , but not xubuntu ?
[09:33] <TheSheep> apm1: debian just has different defaults, they probably decided that IEC958 is not open enough
[09:33] <joeeeee> what is Internet download manger alternative on ubuntu ?
[09:33] <bin_bash> what is internet download manager?
[09:33] <TheSheep> joeeeee: all the browsers have a download manager build in these days
[09:33] <apm1> TheSheep, that i can relate to , good explanation :)
[09:33] <bin_bash> joeeeee, have you tried wget? or curl?
[09:34] <joeeeee> yes
[09:34] <joeeeee> i want manger with gui
[09:35] <TheSheep> joeeeee: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-download-managers-available-in-ubuntu.html
[09:35] <TheSheep> joeeeee: first hit in google
[09:36] <apm1> anyone using mutt with gmail ?
[09:37] <TheSheep> apm1: yeah, you just need to enable it in gmail settings
[09:38] <apm1> TheSheep, does mutt support remembring passwords ?
[09:38] <TheSheep> apm1: you can put the passwords in the configuration file
[09:39] <apm1> TheSheep, ok thanks :)
[09:47] <uzver> apm1, i use mutt with gmail to send sms from bash)
[10:03] <bin_bash> You knwo what I don't get
[10:04] <bin_bash> Why are so many peple like "hurrr you have to compile eveyrhting with arch"
[10:06] <knome> bin_bash, they don't want to take the time to do that.
[10:06] <well_laid_lawn> arch is a binary distro there's no compiling needed
[10:06] <bin_bash> I know
[10:06] <bin_bash> That's the thing
[10:06] <knome> in that case, they don't know arch. as i don't seem to know.
[10:07] <knome> anyway, this discussion clearly belongs to #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:07] <knome> feel free to continue there
[10:09] <bin_bash> knome, can I see what your desktop looks like
[10:09] <Wizard> Arch is offtopic here.
[10:09] <Wizard> Besides, Arch is obsolete, since distros which just work exist.
[10:09] <bin_bash> Arch works
[10:10] <bin_bash> >obsolete
[10:10] <bin_bash> >uses bleeding edge software
[10:10] <bin_bash> wat
[10:10] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic if you want to continue this discussion. otherwise, stop it.
[10:11] <Wizard> bin_bash: I'm waiting :P
[10:50] <thmcmahon> hey guys - when i try to edit the menu nothing happens (with alacarte) any suggestions as to why?
[10:52] <Wizard> Try harder :P But seriously, run alacarte from terminal and see if it spits errors.
[10:53] <uzver> thmcmahon, alacarte edit applications.menu, but xfce4 use xfce-applications.menu)
[10:53] <Wizard> Ah..
[10:53] <thmcmahon> no errors when i run from the terminal
[10:53] <uzver> :)
[10:53] <thmcmahon> uzver: where do they live
[10:54] <uzver> $HOME/.config/menus
[10:54] <thmcmahon> uzver: yeah it's weird. the buttons just do nothing. things don't move. it's broken basically
[10:55] <uzver> bash> cp ./applcatinos.menu ./xfce-applications.menu
[10:55] <uzver> end edit /usr/share/alacarte/Alacarte/MenuEditor.py
[10:57] <uzver> after that manipulations it's working for me now
[10:57] <Wizard> Wouldn't be simpler to link xfce-applications.menu to aplications.menu?
[10:58] <uzver> u can try
[11:02] <thmcmahon> haha ok
[11:02] <thmcmahon> glad to see editing menus is still a problem
[11:04] <Wizard> :D
[11:04] <Wizard> I think he is right in his sarcasm.
[11:08] <teliti> Hello. Could you please tell me if is it possible to "autoremove" all (now) unneeded dependencies after removing a "leaf package" on console e.g. using apt-get?
[11:12] <TheSheep> teliti: sure, 'sudo apt-get autoremove'
[11:12] <teliti> The Sheep: aahh ... thank you :-)
[11:27] <ericmar> Hello?
[11:27] <ericmar> This thing on
[11:28] <TheSheep> !hi ericmar
[11:28] <TheSheep> !hi | ericmar
[11:56] <ericmar> Hi
[11:56] <ericmar> Xubuntu is similar to ubuntu. I really don't like the ubuntu interface, x has more of a XP style correct?
[11:57] <TheSheep> ericmar: lubuntu looks more like windows xp, xubuntu can be made to look like that, but why would you
[11:58] <ericmar> I happened to like XP
[11:58] <ericmar> Easy
[11:58] <ericmar> Intuitive
[12:00] <TheSheep> ericmar: anyways, it can be made looking like that, so you can try it
[12:02] <ericmar> Ok, I will give it a shot
[12:36] <Tom42> hello, does anyone here use xubuntu (or similar linux distribution) on hp pavilion 4100sc (or any other laptop with amd e-450/radeon 6320 APU)? I wonder if HW accelartion works smoothly now and also if the battery life is comperable with W7
[12:38] <Wizard> Tom42: I don't have such hardware.
[12:40] <Wizard> And wrote it only because I didn't wanted you to feel ignored :(
[12:42] <Tom42> Wizard: That's very nice from you :) Well I guess I have to give it a try again...
[12:42] <Wizard> You can allways try it yourself.
[12:43] <recon_lap> Tom42: there is always google :)
[12:43] <TheSheep> and forums
[12:43] <Wizard> Google doesn't help much in such cases.
[12:43] <Wizard> Forums may.
[12:43] <TheSheep> the linlap wiki is also helpful
[12:56] <vacuous> hi what does xubuntu use to start programs on boot?
[12:56] <vacuous> im trying to install it on another distro
[12:57] <vacuous> ubuntu also has a tool to start commands and programs on boot
[12:57] <blackgatonegro> grub2
[12:57] <TheSheep> vacuous: upstart
[12:57] <blackgatonegro> it uses grub2
[12:57] <vacuous> thanks
[12:57] <vacuous> i'll look them up
[12:57] <TheSheep> well, grub2 for booting, then upstart for process management
[12:57] <blackgatonegro> yes
[12:57] <TheSheep> it's basically the same as ubuntu
[12:58] <vacuous> trying to run a command saying ''xrand -s screenres' because I'm having difficulties changing res
[12:58] <vacuous> and if I just have it execute the command on boot, it should be fine?
[12:59] <blackgatonegro> you need a version of grub for botting more than one os, even if you only have one
[12:59] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, maybe, I don't know what hardware you got
[12:59] <vacuous> it's running in a vm
[13:00] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, there used to be a "Safex" command to boot gui when the video card was being unhelpful
[13:00] <blackgatonegro>  vacuous, then you need to change the  vm settings
[13:01] <vacuous> :S
[13:03] <vacuous> I'm a bit configured
[13:03] <vacuous> err
[13:03] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, there also pre made vm files for ubuntu versions that you can find online, you could just install vacuous in one of these
[13:03] <vacuous> confused even
[13:03] <vacuous> think I've been writing configure one too many times D:
[13:03] <vacuous> um
[13:04] <vacuous> all I want to do is have it change screen resolution on boot or whatever
[13:04] <vacuous> everything works fine except that
[13:05] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, if you have problems with the vm, then change the vm settings
[13:05] <vacuous> I did but it seems to make no difference
[13:05] <vacuous> it's still going into 800 res
[13:05] <blackgatonegro> *Xfce*
[13:06] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, well, you are virtualizing it, does it really matter?
[13:06] <vacuous> yes
[13:06] <vacuous> I don't want a tiny window to view
[13:07] <vacuous> TheSheep, how do I execute upstart? typing upstart doesn't seem to do anything
[13:07] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, I think thats a virtualbox problem, not a xubuntu problem
[13:07] <vacuous> it's not
[13:08] <vacuous> it's not either, let me reiterate- the screen resolution is set wrong
[13:08] <vacuous> I cannot change screen resolution
[13:08] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, tried to see if virtualbox can make the display bigger?
[13:08] <vacuous> xubuntu has a tool which allows you to run commands on boot
[13:08] <vacuous> I want that tool
[13:08] <vacuous> I can do that fine but I want it to boot with the correct display size
[13:09] <vacuous> thus if I can run the command ''xrandr -s 1280x768'' on boot
[13:09] <vacuous> all will be fine
[13:09] <Wizard> vacuous: you can add it to xsession scripts.
[13:09] <vacuous> both xubuntu and ubuntu have this awesome tool for running stuff on boot
[13:10] <vacuous> how?
[13:13] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, tried to see the settings manager?
[13:13] <vacuous> there's no such thing, I'm using debian not xubuntu
[13:14] <lestus> peeps, xubuntu rocks
[13:14] <vacuous> trying to mimic my xubuntu install in some ways, without all the bloated crap it includes
[13:15] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, sooo
[13:15] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, you are virtualizing debian?
[13:15] <vacuous> yeah and I just need a way to run that command on boot
[13:15] <vacuous> the xrandr command
[13:17] <lestus> what does xrandr do?
[13:17] <vacuous> it changes the screen resolution with a command
[13:17] <lestus> ah ok
[13:18] <blackgatonegro> vacuous, de aware virtualizing may overhear your computer
[13:18] <blackgatonegro> *ovearheat
[13:18] <vacuous> lol
[13:18] <blackgatonegro> Thats why I prefer dual boot
[13:18] <blackgatonegro> *overheat*
[13:19] <vacuous> nah it won't
[13:19] <koegs> vacuous: http://askubuntu.com/a/102525/59942
[13:19] <blackgatonegro> it will, virtualbox can overheat your computer using freedos...
[13:19] <torax> how?
[13:19] <vacuous> lol
[13:20] <blackgatonegro> basicaly if you dont configure virtualbox well
[13:20] <vacuous> koegs, thanks but I don't have that autostart program
[13:20] <blackgatonegro> it might overwork youir cpu
[13:20] <blackgatonegro> is a know problem
[13:20] <vacuous> I'm using debian with openbox
[13:21] <torax> blackgatonegro: if your machine _can_ overheat its a hardware problem
[13:21] <vacuous> I think if I could edit the xinitrc file I could put a command in there but I've forgotten how
[13:21] <koegs> vacuous: this is the support channel for xubuntu, which means "ubuntu with xfce" not "debian with openbox"... -.-
[13:21] <vacuous> and nano ~/.xinitrc isn't working
[13:21] <vacuous> right
[13:21] <vacuous> but I was looking for the program that comes with _xubuntu_
[13:21] <vacuous> thus asking in _xubuntu_
[13:21] <vacuous> to get the name of the program in _xubuntu_
[13:21] <blackgatonegro> torax, is a KNOW  problem with visualization
[13:21] <vacuous> can you guys quit trolling
[13:21] <vacuous> for half a minute
[13:22] <blackgatonegro> ok sorry
[13:22] <koegs> vacuous: np, xfce4-settings-manager
[13:23] <torax> blackgatonegro: even if you run your machine on 100% full time it must not overheat, or else its hardware problem, thats why there is cooling. If theres something to continue then #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:24] <koegs> vacuous: or take a look at ~./config/autostart you will need a <app>.desktop file there
[13:25] <vacuous> thanks
[13:51] <skrite> hey all, i installed last night from the mini iso. i need to add a ppa but i cannot because add-apt-repository is not found
[13:53] <baizon> skrite: what version?
[13:53] <baizon> 12.10?
[13:53] <Wizard> Isn't it called add-ppa now?
[13:53] <TheSheep> skrite: install software-properties-common
[13:53] <TheSheep> it's apt-add-repository
[13:54] <baizon> yep: sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[13:55] <Wizard> Hmm.. Maybe I'm missing the point.
[14:00] <skrite> TheSheep: baizon thanks, gents.. just found that in addition to python-software-properties, i needed a package called software-properties-common, new to 12.10
[14:00] <skrite> problem solved
[14:00] <Wizard> :)
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> i cant get flash 11.2 working on xubuntu 12.04.1 any known bugs on that?
[14:24] <Wizard> Flash works for me on 12.04.1, but I'm not sure which version is that.
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> Wizard:where di you install it from?
[14:28] <Wizard> From repo.
[14:28] <Wizard> I pulled it with xubuntu-restricted-extras package.
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> i tryed both web and repo
[14:29] <Wizard> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names&suite=precise&section=all
[14:29] <Wizard> 11.2, the exact version you want.
[14:29] <Wizard> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[14:29] <Wizard> :)
[14:32] <mneptok> lotuspsychje: the Adobe Flash plugin was moved to the -partner repo, enable it.
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> mneptok:ah lemme try that one after install
[15:15] <marcpv> hi, how can I disable click on mousepad?
[15:15] <marcpv> I miss it in the configurations
[15:16] <TheSheep> marcpv: install gpointing-device-settings
[15:18] <marcpv> thanks, let me try...
[15:19] <TheSheep> marcpv: it's also in the 'mouse setttinhs' in the settings manager, on the second tab, but this gpointing-device-settings gives you more options
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> whats a good lightweight pps viewer for xubuntu?
[15:21] <marcpv> thanks TheSheep
[15:21] <marcpv> I guess I have to restart now, right?
[15:23] <TheSheep> mongy: no
[15:23] <holstein> lotuspsychje: i would try in libreoffice.. then in googledocs.. then i would read http://gamblis.com/2009/07/22/power-point-viewer-for-ubuntu-and-debian/
[15:24] <TheSheep> meh, he left
[15:24] <mongy> nope, still here, and I never asked anything :)
[15:24] <TheSheep> mongy: yeah, tab completion works bad with people who left
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> holstein:tnx
[15:33] <xubuntu892> hi all
[15:33] <recon_lap> !hi | xubuntu892
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> mneptok: so i installed xubuntu-restricted-extras and flashplugin shows installed in synaptic..but still youtube dont play
[16:02] <mneptok> !info adobe-flashplugin
[16:03] <mneptok> !info adobe-flashplugin partner
[16:03] <mneptok> lotuspsychje: ^^^ that is the package you want. apt-get remove anything else.
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[16:06] <mneptok> (also, here's the requisite "BAH FLASH!" sentiment)
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> lol i hate it too mate
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> time for adobe to stop for good
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> and someone invent decent alternative
[16:07] <lebigmac> hi, i am having problems with audio over hdmi. i can tell the audio is being processed because i see the "bar" moving but i don't hear anything
[16:08] <mneptok> lebigmac: never used HDMI. sorry.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> mneptok:says adobe-flashplugin has no candidate for install
[16:10] <lebigmac> great
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> did i need to enable the source too for partners?
[16:12] <a5m0> hi guys, 12.10 question, previously I have been following this full-disk-encryption guide http://blog.markloiseau.com/2012/05/ubuntu-aes-xts-plain64/ that sets up aes-xts-plain64 and a randomly encrypted swap, does the newly included FDE in the installer make this unnecessary or does the installer use something inferior to aes-xts?
[16:14] <lebigmac> can anyone here besides mneptop help with hdmi audio?
[16:15] <recon_lap> lebigmac: used it a bit, have you set you sound output device to HDMI ?
[16:16] <lebigmac> recon: yes i have, and the little... i don't know what to call it is lighting up in synch with the sound that is playing, so obviously the sound is being recognized, it's just not playing through my tv
[16:17] <recon_lap> lebigmac: it is in sount setting -> configuration -> profile -> Digital Stereo (HDMI) output
[16:17] <lebigmac> yes
[16:18] <mneptok> a5m0: i use lvm/luks FDE as provided by the -alterate Precise image. i'm confident the supplied methods are sufficient to my needs.
[16:19] <recon_lap> lebigmac: ok, open up alsamixer and check your levels :)
[16:19] <a5m0> the question is if it uses -xts or an alternate version of AES mneptok because -xts is the one that is not vulnerable to watermarking
[16:19] <lebigmac> i dont know what that is
[16:19] <recon_lap> lebigmac: go to terminal and type alsamixer :)
[16:20] <lebigmac> just did lol :)
[16:20] <recon_lap> lebigmac: and? you should start setting everything to 100% using the arrow keys
[16:21] <lebigmac> my hdmi audio isn't on there
[16:22] <torax> try pressing f6
[16:22] <mneptok> a5m0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystems
[16:23] <recon_lap> lebigmac: it's the lowest level, worth checking
[16:24] <a5m0> mneptok, what are you trying to say with that?
[16:24] <lebigmac> it's not... there
[16:24] <mneptok> a5m0: that i do not know the answer for certain, but that i am sure the Internet does.
[16:25] <lebigmac> what is there is my onboard sound, and the usb headset i currently have connected
[16:25] <a5m0> there is no quantal info there
[16:26] <lebigmac> in the place of my hdmi audio is "hd-audio generic" and when i select that, all i get is something that says "s/pdif" and the level is not changeable
[16:26] <recon_lap> lebigmac: I'd suggest disconnecting all headphones and restarting
[16:26] <apm1> wow the xfce metapackage on debian is ~ 22 Mb :)
[16:26] <innot> I am not sure if this matter, but have you connected your hdmi-cable?
[16:27] <a5m0> i had to mess around with trying different codec schemes on my hdmi audio before it worked
[16:28] <lebigmac> what would having a headset connected have to do with this?
[16:29] <recon_lap> I had a bug that was related, if i had a headset plugged in when i booted only the headset would work
[16:30] <lebigmac> that's lame
[16:30] <lebigmac> but i'll try that i guess
[16:30] <recon_lap> also, you going to be kicking the tire for a bit , the less complications the better
[16:35] <lebigmac> no dice D:
[16:37] <recon_lap> lebigmac: I cant think of anything other than to keep changing/checking setting till you get somewhere. I take it you hearing sound through you computer but you have pictures on the TV
[16:39] <lebigmac> i have an hdmi cord from my video card to my television, and i used to hear audio through my tv until i decided to try linux
[16:40] <lebigmac> i dont understand why my hdmi device isn't configurable in alsa
[16:40] <lebigmac> er, in alsamixer
[16:42] <beagle> 12.10 fresh install: I miss the 'update-manage' in the menu
[16:45] <recon_lap> \me just for grins goes looking for HDMI cable
[16:53] <lebigmac> hdmi audio not working, please help someone
[16:54] <beagle> 12.10 fresh install: I miss the synapic in the menu als well
[16:56] <apm1> no synaptic by default , lord i am happy to be a debian purist :)
[16:57] <knome> beagle, you can install synaptic from the software center or with apt
[16:58] <lebigmac> hdmi audio not working can anyone help me?
[16:59] <beagle> I know ! But I didn't know, if this is a "bug" or by default. So, it is by default
[16:59] <recon_lap> cute, I'v not sound either :)
[17:00] <beagle> 12.10 fresh install: I miss the 'update-manage' in the menu ?
[17:00] <lebigmac> so far this is my 3rd or 4th distro and none has worked
[17:00] <lebigmac> great job linux keep up the good work
[17:00] <apm1> knome, i know but not offering it from the beginning is like cutting off the debian roots , no trolling intended but i assure you the path you guys are on will lead you to a day when you might even discard apt and will make some *buntu specific packaging tool just like some other well known distros :(
[17:00] <apm1> knome, iirc you have already kicked aptitute and synaptic , it's just apt that remains :(
[17:01] <knome> apm1, nope, that's not it. synaptic is phasing out, and that's not the best tool for newcomers
[17:01] <lebigmac> anyone know a linux distro that fits on a cd that actually works?
[17:01] <knome> apm1, it's like inkscape: it's a wonderful vector editor, but it's not something for the default installation
[17:01] <apm1> knome, inkspace comes default installed on debian :D
[17:02] <knome> apm1, you are free to use debian
[17:03] <knome> apm1, if you want to discuss decisions on default applications, please take part in the development discussion in #xubuntu-devel; also, uds-r is next week
[17:03] <apm1> knome, ok :)
[17:13] <recon_lap> hmm, working now, had to restart with the hdmi plugged in , then plug it in.
[17:13] <recon_lap> HDMI plugged out that is
[17:15] <recon_lap> when i booted with the DHMI cable plugged in I got no audio options other that dummy
[17:15] <recon_lap> 12.04
[18:12] <nantou> will I find rar for linux in the repos?
[18:12] <baizon> nantou: yes
[18:13] <baizon> nantou: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/rar
[18:14] <nantou> This program is shareware and you must register it after 40 days of use. <-- if I dont register I guess I wont be able to use it?
[18:20] <genii-around> !info unrar
[18:21] <genii-around> nantou: You need to compress with rar or only to decompress?
[18:23] <baizon> !info unrar-free
[18:24] <nantou> genii-around, I have 56 part.rar files, extracting with archive manager does extract em separately. Im not sure if there is a rar option that allows me to bind together all parts for then extract the single rar, or if that can be done simultaneously...
[18:25] <nantou> im now with wine and 7-zip...
[18:25] <torax> unarar can decompress multiple rar files
[18:25] <nantou> trying to find a way, could selecting all part.rar files to then make a new file be what Im looking for?
[18:26] <baizon> !info p7zip-rar
[18:26] <baizon> you can use this too :)
[18:26] <nantou> torax, i need to decompress em all not separately, there are files divided in 5 to 11 part.rar sections
[18:27] <torax> nantou: when you unrar one file it automaticly knows to continue with the second file
[18:27] <genii-around> Yes, you use the command on the first file in the series
[18:50] <nantou> can I make partitions inside a partition?
[18:51] <recon_lap> nantou: only in an extended partition
[18:52] <recon_lap> nantou: not in a primary partition
[18:52] <nantou> I have linux host and windows guest, there is this application SAP.ECC that consumes 50GB of data, for that to work (only with windows) I have the virtualization of said OS. THis piece of software requires at least 3 other partitions. My idea is to get a brand new 2TB HDD, make a 200 to 300 GB NTFS partition to act as shared folder and , inside this 300 GB NTFS partition, make the 3 partitions
[18:53] <nantou> to google it I go...
[18:55] <recon_lap> nantou: virtual machines have there owe rules, as they use virtual drives. I would expect that the same rules apply. 4 partitions, if you want more one of them has to be an extended partition
[18:56] <recon_lap> there/their*
[19:04] <gargamlz> Hi. I have a problem. I have just installed Xubuntu 12.10. Everything worked fine during the install, and the graphics looked like they should in the live-cd environment. However, when I boot the hdd-installed system, it cant seem to detect my monitor which remains blue. IE, I never actually get to do anything, since the monitor doesnt work. When I then go back into the live-cd and mount the hdd, in the logs it seems like it's trying all kinds of differe
[19:05] <gargamlz> I have a nvidia graphics card. gforce 9500.
[19:05] <baizon> 9500?
[19:05] <gargamlz> It works fine in the live-cd system.
[19:05] <baizon> ah ok :D
[19:05] <gargamlz> (where I am right now)
[19:05] <gargamlz> But yeah, monitor wont get detected when I boot into the hdd-based system. :)
[19:06] <gargamlz> Anyone know how I can fix that? Cant find much on google.
[19:08] <recon_lap> gargamlz: you might find this helpfull http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-to-set-nomodeset-for-installation
[19:11] <gargamlz> recon_lap: hmm, ok. well, I cant run update-grub since Im currently in the live system. Will the changed I make to the grub file be there after reboot?
[19:11] <recon_lap> gargamlz: read the whole thing :)
[19:12] <gargamlz> Alright, so I'll do it during boot instead. Gotcha.
[19:12] <recon_lap> gargamlz: grub-update  to make changes persist
[19:13] <gargamlz> Once I get into the system, yes.
[19:13] <gargamlz> Alright, I'll give it a go then. This mostly seems to apply for installation though.
[19:13] <gargamlz> And not for post-installation stuff. :)
[19:13] <gargamlz> But sure, why not. I'll take your word for it. :)
[19:13] <gargamlz> brb then
[19:15] <yakeb> hi #ubuntu, i am struggling getting a wifi card working. the chipset is realtek 8188cu, kernel is 3.0.0-12, 11.10 oneiric. it automatically installed when plugged in, but would not connect to wifi network. i've uninstalled the driver but can't get it reinstalled. any help would be greatly appreciated.
[19:16] <recon_lap> yakeb: how did you un-install the drive?
[19:17] <recon_lap> driver*
[19:19] <yakeb> hey recon_lap, i figured it out. go figure. i downloaded the driver from realtek and had to fix an error in the install.sh. woowee. glad i figured that out. thank you for responding.
[19:20] <recon_lap> yakeb: glad it's working :)
[19:21] <gargamlz> hey again
[19:21] <gargamlz> Yeah, that didnt work, since I dont really get to grub. My monitor goes blue right after the bios splash.
[19:22] <gargamlz> So, I need a way to fix the graphics of the real system, from inside the live-cd system with the real-system hdd mounted and reachable.
[19:22] <gargamlz> IE, fix it through a conf.
[19:23] <recon_lap> gargamlz: thats strange, lots of this should happen before you get to graphics
[19:23] <recon_lap> this/things*
[19:23] <recon_lap> gargamlz: your grub is messed up most likely
[19:23] <gargamlz> From a fresh install? Sounds unlikely.
[19:24] <gargamlz> Looks more like a graphics driver error.
[19:24] <gargamlz> Based on logs.
[19:24] <gargamlz> But I just cant figure out why it works in the live-cd with the same hardware.
[19:24] <gargamlz> IE, what driver/setting its missing in the real system.
[19:24] <recon_lap> gargamlz: how can you hoave logs if it blue screen right after BIOS ?
[19:25] <gargamlz> And what I should do from bash to fix it.
[19:25] <gargamlz> recon_lap: I mount the hdd from within the live-cd system where I am now.
[19:25] <gargamlz> and cd to /var/log ? :)
[19:25] <gargamlz> It blue screens as in cant find monitor. Not as in windows blue screen of death.
[19:25] <gargamlz> The system is still running.
[19:25] <recon_lap> gargamlz: again, how can it write logs if it stops right after BIOS?
[19:25] <gargamlz> I just dont get any display on the monitor.
[19:26] <gargamlz> Have you not been listening? hehe
[19:26] <gargamlz> If I had ssdh running, I could still ssh into the box.
[19:26] <gargamlz> But this is the second best alternative. To mount the disk and check logs from within live-cd.
[19:26] <gargamlz> Anyway, so, I want to change a config (perhaps xorg) to fix it on the disk, before booting up again.
[19:26] <recon_lap> gargamlz: so it does not stop right after BIOS, after BIOS it loads grub
[19:26] <gargamlz> Well sure.
[19:27] <gargamlz> The system boots just fine.
[19:27] <gargamlz> But I cant see whats going on, naturally.
[19:27] <gargamlz> So I cant really make any on-the-fly modications in grub menu.
[19:27] <gargamlz> Nor can I update-grub
[19:27] <gargamlz> I think it's the wrong strategy. A better strategy would be to make changes to the disk, from within live-cd.
[19:28] <gargamlz> BUt what changes remains the question. :)
[19:28] <recon_lap> the shift key not working? to show the grub menu?
[19:28] <gargamlz> Dude.
[19:28] <gargamlz> Monitor dies.
[19:28] <gargamlz> Cant see anything passed bios splash.
[19:28] <gargamlz> How would I know if it shows the grub menu when I press shift_
[19:28] <gargamlz> Nevermind. Thanks for your help. I'll google... :)
[19:53] <greasegum> I'm getting really frustratingly poor wifi performance. I want to see if there's anything I can do to track down bugs but I'm a bit of a noob. could someone give me a few leads on useful resources for diagnosing my problems? I can give more details if that helps.
[19:54] <greasegum> I kindof don't know where to start.
[19:54] <yakeb_> hi #xubuntu room. i have another issue, if anyone can help. i have creative sb emu10k1 sound card in addition to an internal realtek sound card, and sound is not outputing to through the sb live card.
[19:56] <well_laid_lawn> greasegum: I would start by opening a terminal and running   dmesg    then do something that uses the wifi and run   dmesg   again
[19:56] <well_laid_lawn> checkk for any mention of the wifi
[20:00] <greasegum> sorry, compiz crashed my comp
[20:00] <greasegum> well_laid_lawn:: thanks I'll see what turns up
[20:01] <greasegum> i heart grep. I wanna get that on a tshirt
[20:04] <well_laid_lawn> dmesg | tail   is handy too
[20:07] <greasegum> trying to figure out if nm-applet is being buggy or if its my drivers
[20:27] <greasegum> in dmesg what does the number on the left represent?
[20:28] <greasegum> scratch that I can google it.
[20:30] <greasegum> question: if it turns out to be something on the network itself, how do I see what's going on?
[20:31] <greasegum> seems like I'm getting crazy netlag and booted off the network a lot.
[20:37] <xubuntu388> Hey guys, is there anything I can do to change screen resolution from the boot CD?
[20:38] <TheSheep> xubuntu388: sure, just go to settings manager -> displays
[20:59] <xubuntu026> How to prepare a usb-stick from which to install Xubuntu on a new pc without OS?
[21:00] <unheeding> use unetbootin
[21:00] <Unit193> !usb
[21:00] <unheeding> write the iso to the USB drive
[21:00] <GridCube> !unetbootin
[21:00] <Unit193> Could also use dd.
[21:01] <bin_bash> xubuntu026, are you using Windows or OS X or Linux or BSD
[21:02] <xubuntu026> Using xubuntu on this machine next to Windows, but want to install xubuntu on a new pc. What is ' dd' ?
[21:02] <GridCube> something complicated if you have to ask
[21:02] <GridCube> xubuntu026, use unetbootin
[21:02] <bin_bash> dd is the best way to do it
[21:02] <GridCube> its the easies way
[21:02] <GridCube> bin_bash, its not
[21:02] <bin_bash> xubuntu026, is the new computer UEFI
[21:03] <xubuntu026> Just a plain pc...
[21:03] <bin_bash> Yes, but how new is it
[21:03] <bin_bash> Is it a BIOS or UEFI
[21:03] <xubuntu026> New
[21:03] <GridCube> xubuntu026, :) just use unetbootin, its really simple
[21:03] <bin_bash> GridCube, on UEFI machines using unetbootin doesn't always work
[21:04] <xubuntu026> Fine, I could try, but how to ' connect'  to unetbootin
[21:04] <GridCube> bin_bash, thats not unetbootin fault
[21:04] <bin_bash> GridCube, ...I didn't say it was. But if he IS using a UEFI machine he can't use unetbootin
[21:06] <GridCube> xubuntu026, google it
[21:07] <xubuntu026> I think I' ll to for the USB stick after all, thanks and bye!
[22:28] <popolon> hi
[22:28] <jam3v0> hey there
[22:28] <popolon> on xubuntu 12.04, I try to mount an mtp device, it isn't detected by thunar
[22:29] <popolon> if I boot on the same system on a vritualbox including lubuntu 12.04
[22:29] <popolon> the lxde file system mount it
[22:29] <popolon> Don't know if that's an installation problem on my xubuntu install
[22:29] <popolon> I tried to install all thunar plugins
[22:29] <popolon> and mtp libs/tools
[22:30] <well_laid_lawn> check whar gvfs stuff you have installed
[22:30] <popolon> well_laid_lawn, thanks
[22:30] <jam3v0> .join #zdaemon
[22:30] <jam3v0> ugh laptop keys, ignore that
[22:31] <xubuntu538> hello
[22:31] <xubuntu538> can I get support for an installation?
[22:33] <popolon> nice, I installed libfm
[22:33] <popolon> and pcmanfm (I believe that's the lxde filemanager
[22:33] <popolon> and it works !
[22:33] <popolon> but not on thunar
[22:34] <popolon> libfm seems to do things relative to GIO/GVFS
[22:35] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: sure, what you want to know?
[22:35] <popolon> I believe most problem I havec with XFCE
[22:35] <popolon> is due to use of /tmp in ramfs with noexec flag
[22:35] <popolon> for security reason
[22:36] <xubuntu538> yes, I'd like to know what steps to get started, I've downloaded the disk image
[22:36] <popolon> I seen than som xfce/xubuntu scripts use /tmp to install some stuff
[22:36] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: did you burn it to a USB or CD ?
[22:37] <xubuntu538> and im burning it to CD, is it compatible with an intel core 2 duo around 2007-8 running leopard 10.5?
[22:37] <xubuntu538> CD
[22:39] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: well it should work on that hardware, and Mac OS should be irrelevant, but dont know about that. The first thing to do after you make the CD is see if you can boot the computer with the CD without installing anything. Give you a chance to see if there will be any problems
[22:39] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: before you install anything
[22:40] <bin_bash> xubuntu538, yes it'll work with that computer no problem
[22:40] <xubuntu538> great, how do I boot from CD?
[22:40] <xubuntu538> what F buttons?
[22:40] <yakeb> hi #xubuntu. i just installed the nvidia proprietary drivers on 11.10 and the computer boots to blank screen. i've tried all of the fixes i've seen online and nothing works. i can't load another tty or anything, it's like the monitor is not recognized anymore. any guidance would be appreciated.
[22:41] <yakeb> further, i get the normal splash screen on boot, but after that the light on the monitor turns from green to yellow, which I don't quite follow. I can load up a shell prompt but I am getting errors, if I try to edit xorg configuration.
[22:41] <bin_bash> xubuntu538, hold down the alt key
[22:41] <bin_bash> and it'll bring up the sorry excuse for a boot menu
[22:41] <xubuntu538> thanks
[22:41] <bin_bash> and you'll have a CD labeled "Windows"
[22:41] <bin_bash> oh wait
[22:41] <bin_bash> before you do anything
[22:41] <xubuntu538> what?
[22:42] <bin_bash> you're going to want to partition with bootcamp
[22:42] <xubuntu538> I don't want to do that, I want a plain operating system with no OSX
[22:42] <xubuntu538> do I have to?
[22:42] <bin_bash> Too bad
[22:42] <bin_bash> If you want it to run as it should, with everything working
[22:42] <bin_bash> you have to leave OS X installed
[22:43] <xubuntu538> what linux distro works with mac hardware standalone?
[22:43] <bin_bash> none
[22:43] <xubuntu538> that sux
[22:43] <bin_bash> if you want
[22:43] <bin_bash> after you've install linux
[22:43] <bin_bash> and update the firmware via the OS X side, you can remove the OS X partition
[22:43] <xubuntu538> where do I get bootcamp?
[22:43] <xubuntu538> cool
[22:43] <bin_bash> it should be there already
[22:44] <xubuntu538> ok...
[22:44] <bin_bash> tbh, if you want
[22:44] <xubuntu538> tbh?
[22:44] <bin_bash> you can try to overwrite the OS X partition and everyhting via the ubuntu insaller
[22:44] <bin_bash> but make sure you have all of your OS X CDs handy
[22:44] <xubuntu538> yeah got those
[22:44] <bin_bash> okay
[22:45] <xubuntu538> and I'm backed up
[22:45] <bin_bash> if you have them handy and you're all backed up
[22:45] <bin_bash> you can try it
[22:45] <xubuntu538> cool
[22:45] <bin_bash> but there's a chance that some things won't work
[22:45] <xubuntu538> is it in system preferences?
[22:45] <bin_bash> When I installed Archbang directly on top of OS X, my USB ports didn't work
[22:45] <xubuntu538> bootcamp?
[22:45] <bin_bash> oh if you want to try overwriting everything
[22:45] <bin_bash> you dont need bootcamp
[22:46] <bin_bash> I'm just giving you fair warning that it might not work as intended
[22:46] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: do you have a backup plan if this does not work?
[22:46] <xubuntu538> ill try it the bootcamp/firmwareupdate/post-install-partionerase
[22:46] <bin_bash> recon_lap, he just said he has his OS X install CDs and a backup
[22:47] <xubuntu538> im willing to experiment right now to get the right OS and get out of the data stream
[22:47] <recon_lap> rgr :)
[22:47] <bin_bash> xubuntu538,
[22:47] <bin_bash> if you're willing to experiment
[22:47] <bin_bash> boot the Xubuntu cd
[22:48] <bin_bash> and when you go to install, select automatic partitioning
[22:48] <bin_bash> xubuntu538, the only reason I recommended against that initially, is that not everyone is smart enough to keep their OS X install cds around :P
[22:48] <bin_bash> I always have to assume the lowest IQ possible.
[22:48] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: I have a link to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro, might be some useful info in it .
[22:51] <xubuntu538> my model number is macbook 2,1
[22:51] <xubuntu538> so I haven't found any support docs
[22:52] <bin_bash> tbh, it should work without any problems
[22:52] <bin_bash> I had a 5... something
[22:52] <bin_bash> 5,5?
[22:52] <xubuntu538> hope so. I have to delete some stuff for the partition to work. I think my music library is twice itself
[22:53] <bin_bash> yeah 5,5 and everything ran flawlessly
[22:53] <bin_bash> then when that got replaced by this 8,1 everything went to hell
[22:53] <bin_bash> it's only recently in the 3.2 kernel that the wireless card works
[22:53] <bin_bash> and the thunderbolt port still only does video and not sound
[22:53] <bin_bash> whenever i want to watch movies or something from my computer to my TV I have to boot into OS SUX
[22:53] <xubuntu538> well my computer is pretty reliable, it got maintenanced only once and has worked great
[22:54] <bin_bash> The older ones are better
[22:54] <xubuntu538> is xubuntu unix based?
[22:54] <bin_bash> ...it's linux
[22:54] <xubuntu538> oh. so is open suse good for unix?
[22:54] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook2-1/ might be relevant
[22:55] <holstein> i have up on linux on the mac i had...
[22:55] <bin_bash> One of the things I hate about Ubuntu is the stable release cycle
[22:55] <bin_bash> I hate stable release cycles.
[22:55] <unheeding> you want it ready when it's ready?
[22:55] <holstein> or rolling?
[22:55] <bin_bash> Rolling.
[22:55] <xubuntu538> huh. thanks for the support doc that looks promising
[22:55] <bin_bash> That's why I use Arch lol
[22:56] <bin_bash> speaking of. gotta update
[22:57] <papacho> hi to all
[22:57] <bin_bash> h
[22:57] <recon_lap> done for the day, good luck :)
[22:58] <papacho> I've a little trouble on a xUbuntu 12.10 fresh installed
[22:58] <papacho> with a dual monitor configuration
[22:58] <recon_lap> papacho: what the trouble ?
[22:58] <papacho> when i set the monitor "offset" on one of them
[22:58] <papacho> to use like "extended desktop"
[22:59] <xubuntu538> so I should do regular ubuntu not xubunto?
[22:59] <papacho> horrible shadows appear on all windows
[22:59] <papacho> and seem that overlapping of window doesnt work
[23:00] <papacho> I seek on google but any page that I find say that with "update" of xfce to 4.10 (for xubuntu 12.04) solve this problem
[23:00] <papacho> anyone find this problem like me?
[23:01] <recon_lap> xubuntu538: xubuntu is based on ubuntu except for the desktop environment(xfce), so anything that work for ubuntu will most likely work the same on xubuntu. so it's really up to you.
[23:01] <papacho> (the same problem appear using xraddr tool)
[23:02] <recon_lap> papacho: sry but you gone way past my knowledge of multi screens
[23:02] <recon_lap> right, I'm off for real , g'night
[23:02] <papacho> ty recon_lap
[23:02] <papacho> :)
[23:04] <xubuntu212> I Torrented xubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso and it did not work, so I went to the mirror and looked at the md5dum files and they did not match.  So I torrented it again.  Got the same results repeated, so I FTPd them from the mirror.  Same results, MD5Sum did not match again and it did not work.... WHAT....is the correct MD5SUM, and why cant I get it?
[23:05] <xubuntu212> blowing into microphone...HALLOOOOOOO
[23:06] <bin_bash> h
[23:07] <GridCube> xubuntu212, from where are you getting the torrent file?
[23:13] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu212: did blowing into the mic break something ?
[23:14] <bin_bash> wow.
[23:15] <xubuntu538> thanks
[23:35] <xubuntu212> I GOT THE TORRENT FILE FROM Xubuntu.com
[23:36] <bin_bash> why are you yelling
[23:36] <xubuntu212> not sure my mic is working.
[23:37] <bin_bash> why are you talking into your mic
[23:37] <xubuntu212> just joking
[23:38] <bin_bash> oh ok
[23:38] <xubuntu212> Any idea why the checksum of the 64 bit version is not comming out right?
[23:40] <bin_bash> not sure
[23:42] <bin_bash> where do you live, what country
[23:42] <xubuntu212> In the spirit of never give up, I grabbed it from the mirrror.  The mirror check sum agrees with itself.
[23:42] <xubuntu212> Makes me wonder about the torrent.
[23:42] <bin_bash> yeah
[23:42] <bin_bash> i always download via mirror
[23:42] <xubuntu212> Now lets see if it works!
[23:43] <bin_bash> you're burning to CD right
[23:43] <David-A> xubuntu212: theories 1) torrent hasn't completed yet. 2) using a different programs to generate the checksum. 3) mixed up checksum for different iso:s (ix86/amd64, desktop/server, etc). 4) something else
[23:47] <xubuntu212> Torrent had completed.
[23:47] <bin_bash> just stick with the mirror
[23:47] <xubuntu212> used md5sum for both the ftp and the torrent
[23:48] <xubuntu212> checksum matched the mirror but not the torrent so I think I had the right md5sum
[23:48] <xubuntu212> I think the torrent has been corrupted some how....
[23:48] <xubuntu212> moving ahead with mirror copy
[23:51] <David-A> xubuntu212: didn't match "the torrent"? I hope you mean didn't match "the iso downloaded with the torrent"
[23:53] <xubuntu212> Yes, I mean when I used the torrent file to down load the 64 bit version the check sum did not match.  I did it more than once.
[23:58] <xubuntu212> Has anyone else done an install of the torrent verison of the 64 bit iso  so they can verifiy the mD5sum of it?


[09:46] <grantbow> ajczapiewski: yes, I kicked off some Ubuntu Hours at iHub when I visited Nairobi in 2011. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grantbow
[10:12] <ajczapiewski> huh
[10:12] <ajczapiewski> oh thats cool
[10:14] <ajczapiewski> well im trying to get in contact with some tech people in kenya and find out about the scene there. i've joined skunkworks but would be good to chat to someone who could explain the scene a bit


[01:18] <Acou_Bass> hey, nspawn isn't a hack, it's pretty great :D though I've no idea how it'd work alongside Mir and snap etc
[02:17] <vkrishn> hi
[02:18] <vkrishn> could someone suggest which version/dvd for http://www.amazon.in/Micromax-LT666W-10-1-inch-Touchscreen-Integrated/dp/B01689FD2Q
[02:18] <vkrishn> it supports booting from usb
[02:23] <vkrishn> currently downloading, http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[06:41] <MasseR> The new-tab optimization fix is noticeable. Thank you very much guys
[06:58] <Jucato> and thanks to much for libertine/desktop apps and fingerprint support on the meizu pro 6!!
[08:55] <swalladge> Is it just me or are the names for the m10 and m10hd swapped on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-12
[08:55] <swalladge> AFAIK frieza in the full HD version
[09:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[09:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone around and with OTA 12 as well ?
[09:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> om26er, have you got OTA 12?
[09:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, woo on screen keyboard for Libertine, hoever it doesn't quite work how I had expected
[09:41] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: how would you expect it to work
[09:41] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it opens when you need to type something
[09:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, well to disappeaar for a start as well, when it should do realy
[09:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but instead it stays
[09:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well in xchat gnome it does
[09:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and libre office writer
[09:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I Just tried those after Firefox,  Firefox seems ok
[09:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, it just stayed and woudn['t go away, when I didn't want it.  I could get rid of it very teorly when on the top right showing like you know the stuff up there
[09:43] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: if the text field has the cursor in then the keyboard is required in order to type
[09:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, it's also massive
[09:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so in the case of xchat gnome
[09:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it goes over the whole type area
[09:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and then can't really see what's been typed on it
[09:44] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: yeap that is in a bug in libertine in that it doesn't move the text field above the keyboard like it does on normal apps known issue
[09:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the one on the ipad for example and even Android, is quite good at disappearing when it should do
[09:45] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it does disappear if you stop highlighting the text field
[09:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh bregma isn't here, probably since it's night time for him or very early morning. but I was going to jokingly say:  bregma you need to sort that out
[09:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the text filed is always high lighted in xchat gnome though
[09:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with it's cursour
[09:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on here
[09:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same with libre office writer I Guess
[09:46] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: tap the window part
[09:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from my limited trying just now,  and since as you say there's some kind of bug as well, seems can only really use firefox with it for now
[09:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what you mean tap the window part?
[09:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now back using the bluteooth keyboard by the way, but I could change that
[09:47] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: also you can swipe the keyboard down, the upper part of the irc window where you are reading my comments
[09:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you mean move it with the line
[09:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theres like a line
[09:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on the top there
[09:49]  * SebthreeBQM10HD doens't like xchat gnome anyway, but hasn't done the getting more x programs thing so
[09:49]  * SebthreeBQM10HD would use konversation usually on a normal computer
[09:50]  * Jucato couldn't get konversation to run. installs fine ...
[09:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, swip down how?
[09:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or what you jmean ?
[09:51] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: put your finger at the top of the keyboard and swipe it down
[09:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jucato, oh you tried
[09:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, or up in that case, since it goes over the text box ?
[09:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the typing area
[09:52] <Jucato> SebthreeBQM10HD: as in you try to swipe the virtual keyboard down to hide it
[09:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jucato, yeah that's a bit uh when something seems to install ok, but then doesn't open up etc porperly in general
[09:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok I'lll try
[09:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> o OK yesthat works
[09:53] <Jucato> that swipe gesture is actually true for the virtual keyboard in general. whether it's libertine or native
[09:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes I can swipe down
[09:54] <Jucato> also, as davmor2 said, the keyboard only pops up if you are in a text input field. tap anywhere else that isn't an input box and it hides
[09:55] <Jucato> which reminds me. need to install xchat :)
[09:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> would be nice for it to dissapper in general hen expected to in general to as just mentioned but right that is a bug in libertibe apparently
[09:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as expected coreting
[09:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it didn't hide and doesn't when not typing in the text field
[09:57] <Jucato> you have to tap outside the text field
[09:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I guess but still really it should know if going to type and if typng
[10:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now after swipe thing it ems to be dissapering better but thats after sending a message
[10:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no after swipeing again
[10:01] <Jucato_> ok just checked
[10:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats better back to bluetooh now and jucato_ seems lost you a bit there
[10:02] <Jucato_> not working on xchat because even the chat window is considered a text window of sorts
[10:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems it only disappears if I swipe, never any other time
[10:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or maybe click out enough of the text field
[10:03] <Jucato_> the only safe spot is the nick list
[10:03] <Jucato_> tap on a nuck and the jeyboard disappears
[10:03] <Jucato_> nick
[10:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah ha so your agreeing that it doesn't really work as intended properly with x chat?
[10:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> jucato libre office writer seemed to work in the same kind of way or uh not work as xchat as well when I breifuly treid that, but really that's mostly just one big text box :D
[10:04] <Jucato_> not exactly sure about the "as intended" part
[10:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well disappeairng when not wnating it I mean
[10:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when not wanting to type etc
[10:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> even if in a text box still as well
[10:04] <Jucato_> the keyboard sees the chat windows as something it can interact with as text so i guess it doesn't want to leave :)
[10:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah right
[10:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> jucato well that kind of stuff should be sorted in an update :)
[10:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what else is new in OTA 12 after upgrading from OTA 10.1 i  SKIPPED 11
[10:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I notice a blue bar at teh top, KDE style
[10:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> of  libertine programs
[10:05] <Jucato> miracast suport for the M10 :)
[10:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well yes I know there's that to
[10:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I mean things I can see more so :D
[10:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus the log in scren has changed, it's a white box hmm
[10:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it was better before
[10:06] <Jucato> the blue bar is actually more like the old GTK Metacity theme
[10:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah probbly like the old GTK
[10:07] <Jucato> or not. hehe but probably not kde
[10:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and no Firefox etc on the main screen, which I think I Migh have read about and forgot before updating or whatever actsaully,  well no I had seen a comment on omgubuntu
[10:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the xmir programs should be on the main screen I think, but turns out I Had xapps installed so opened that up from the manage thing and yep
[10:07] <Jucato> yeah all  libertine apps are now in their own scope
[10:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how do you get that scope up?
[10:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I waned to like a manage hting with all apps etc
[10:08] <Jucato> the same way as before
[10:08] <Jucato> swipe up from the bottom of any scope, scroll down to XApps
[10:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from the today or main screen or whatever as well, not sure that's the proper way to do it htough
[10:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jucato, ok yeah that's what I did, it then opens up a manage screen with a load of stuff
[10:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and xapps being one of them
[10:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jucato, ok thanks for your help etc :), I should do some other stuff now really.... hmm
[10:09] <Jucato> tap on the Star if you want it to be always there
[10:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh the star
[10:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok which added it to the top of the list
[10:11] <Jucato> so now you won't have to always scroll through that list. it's at the top level, same as Today, etc
[10:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jucato, yes that's better, I still would hav prefered them on the main apps screen like before, but can get more used to the new way
[10:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> acstaully I think in unity on the left bar as well
[10:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> things like FIrefox and xhcat were there to as well, but not now
[10:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> my today scop seeems to have dipparead acstaully or something hmm
[10:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or the like wher is your location etc,  shops near you etc, annoyingly always with this tablet it has thought I  WAS IN Lonond to before, when I was not, and coudn't jus change
[10:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think on the phone it would pick up location data from say a mobile network so
[10:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but tablet also has no sim so
[10:13] <Jucato> you mean the NearBy scope?
[10:14] <Jucato> mine's still here. and i don't have a sim either ;)
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jucato, I am not sure where my near by scope etc has gone
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or the today scope as it was called ?
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus annoyingly it came up with stuff for London anyway which was useless
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's on tablet, phones no problem got my acstual near by city
[10:15] <Jucato> Today is different from NearBy.
[10:17] <Jucato> you can always check that Manage Scopes list. mine's still working (also tablet)
[15:27] <sistemx> Hello, Do somebody know, why any program stop work after lock screen? I am asking bcs I download curespotify and it happen
[15:28] <sistemx> it is in program or it is by system?
[15:29] <ogra_> both ...
[15:29] <ogra_> by default the system stops all apps when you lock the screen ...
[15:30] <ogra_> ... but an app can use certain ways to keep running
[15:30] <ogra_> specifically for media stuff apps only keep running is they use the mediaplayer backend of the system ... seems this app does not
[15:34] <sistemx> and there is any way how to change?
[15:36] <sistemx> bcs program is not useable now. I am finding way how it happen function
[15:37] <sistemx> in system setting is access to background app, but there is only launcher and notifications, how add others?
[15:47] <sistemx> or is it really difficulty?
[15:49] <mcphail> sistemx: the app has to be designed to use the backgroud services
[15:51] <sistemx> I see,  so I must contact owner :( . Any way it looks like open source, is there any easy command to change it? Or it is difficulty? Means something like set orientation, for orientation is easy command in code...
[15:53] <dobey> in system settings?
[15:54] <dobey> oh
[15:54] <sistemx> yes, locking and unlocking
[15:54] <dobey> the "when locked, allow" thing has nothing to do with background processing
[15:55] <sistemx> I see
[15:55] <dobey> it's whether to allow opening indicators and the launcher from screen edge, while the screen is locked
[15:55] <dobey> it's about privacy
[15:56] <sistemx> So it is difficulty change it in code of program, isn't it?
[15:56] <mcphail> sistemx: it is not trivial to rewrite the app to use background services
[15:56] <mcphail> sistemx: and no automatic way (as far as i know)
[15:57] <sistemx> I see, so very bad news for me :(, bcs use spotify with unlock mobile is crazy
[15:58] <pmcgowan> Elleo, ^^ :)
[15:59] <Elleo> sistemx: unfortunately spotify can't work with the media-hub background service at the moment, due to the way their streaming is designed
[16:00] <sistemx> Ohh, worst news at all :( hope is dead now
[16:00] <pmcgowan> Elleo, do you use the keep screen on call?
[16:00] <jhodapp> Elleo, actually it could, it just wouldn't be secure enough for our liking
[16:01] <dobey> jhodapp: what does that mean?
[16:01] <jhodapp> dobey, isolating the 3rd party binary blob that we'd use with streaming services like Spotify
[16:01] <jhodapp> we can't currently do that
[16:01] <sistemx> secure is not priority now, music is priority :)
[16:02] <Elleo> pmcgowan: nope, if I ever have time to spare I'm going to try making an unconfined version that asks for a wakelock and disables app suspending for the open store
[16:02] <Elleo> pmcgowan: but that's a fair way down my list of spare time projects unfortunately
[16:03] <dobey> jhodapp: oh, there's a binary blob that has to be used?
[16:03] <jhodapp> dobey, yes unfortunately
[16:03] <pmcgowan> Elleo, isnt that what the keep screen on thing does
[16:03] <jhodapp> the open implementation is sorely out of date
[16:04] <Elleo> pmcgowan: no, this would be a much more complete solution; it'd allow the phone to switch off the screen and run the app inthe background
[16:05] <sistemx> Thanks for explain, see you...
[16:05] <dobey> jhodapp: and they provide a armhf/arm64 binaries for linux? wow
[16:05] <pmcgowan> Elleo, we could probably bless it for the regular store with a manual review
[16:06] <pmcgowan> might set a bad precedent though
[16:06] <Elleo> pmcgowan: yeah, not certain about that since it can't really be thoroughly reviewed due to containing proprietary libs
[16:06] <jhodapp> dobey, they do, yes
[16:07] <dobey> pmcgowan: seems like what we really need is to implmeent background processing support for some things, with helpers provided by the apps
[16:08] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, so the issue is we cannot audit the binary or what
[16:08] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, yes basically
[16:08] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, its not the only blob on the device though
[16:08] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, dobey: so the design is to isolate it away from the rest of media-hub
[16:09] <jhodapp> right, but due to the nature of codecs and the security holes that crop up with them from time to time, this is one where we really need this isolation
[16:10] <dobey> jhodapp: right, so i'm suggesting we need something which spawns an untrusted helper which the app provides, and then media hub can maybe control that helper or whatever, while the app's UI talks to media-hub
[16:11] <jhodapp> dobey, untrusted helper to do what exactly?
[16:12] <dobey> jhodapp: well, that's how you isolate binary blobs
[16:12] <dobey> in the ubuntu touch app lifecycle world
[16:12] <jhodapp> dobey, right but what's a specific use case you're thinking of here?
[16:12] <dobey> jhodapp: <jhodapp> we need to isolate the binary blob
[16:13] <jhodapp> dobey, yeah, in media-hub...I'm just confused when you started talking about the app
[16:13] <dobey> jhodapp: i don't know what your specific API would be for helpers that media-hub would run; just saying that seems like how it would be done
[16:14] <dobey> jhodapp: well, the app provides the blob, so the app would provide a helper binary/script/whatever, which is what loads/contains that binary blob, and media-hub would spawn it, and it would do its thing
[16:15] <jhodapp> dobey, I see what you're getting at now...yes there's the streaming part, which is the part I'm talking about that needs isolation, and the web API calls that something like music-app makes for getting content lists, etc
[16:16] <dobey> jhodapp: right, so you just need to design the API such that all those things are considered :)
[16:17] <mcphail> Elleo: it is possible for trusted apps to play in the background with screen off without media hub (or, it was last time I tried). Don't know if this still works but see http://themcphails.uk/altest.njmcphail_0.1_armhf.click . No idea if this could be extended to do what you'd need, as I didn't do anything beyond proof of concept
[16:18] <mcphail> Elleo: uses some ugly hacks :S
[16:19] <Elleo> mcphail: oh?
[16:19] <dobey> mcphail: you mean you just run a shell script that doesn't have any UI for unity8 to manage?
[16:20] <mcphail> dobey: but also use openal, which seems to bypass pulse's control and continues to play with screen off
[16:20] <mcphail> source is in the click
[16:21] <dobey> mcphail: i don't think that's openal, but the fact that it's a thing with no UI :)
[16:22] <mcphail> dobey: maybe, but I think things controlled by pulse get muted on screen off. So long ago when I was testing this I can't rememebr the details
[16:23] <dobey> mcphail: well it doesn't matter if it's muted or not. if the app is paused, it can't process data, and thus can't send anything to the sound card, regardless of pulse being there or not
[16:25] <mcphail> dobey: yep, but the little shell script could, conceivably, be expanded to be a little server which could be asked by other apps to do the streaming in the background
[16:25] <dobey> mcphail: well, the bug you're exploiting could also be fixed, preventing that :)
[16:26] <mcphail> dobey: no doubt ;)
[16:26] <dobey> mcphail: we already have a service running in the background which can be asked by apps to do the streaming in the background :)
[16:26] <dobey> spotify is apparently just a special evil case
[16:26] <dobey> because one has to use their binary blob
[16:26] <mcphail> Indeed, but this could isolate the evil
[16:27] <mcphail> Pack the spotify blob in the server's click package
[16:27] <mcphail> And have a separate spotify client complete with UI
[16:33] <dobey> well, the UX will be awful, and doesn't solve the general problem
[16:33] <dobey> especially once we fix the issue you're exploiting
[16:33] <mcphail> I agree it would be awful, but is it more awful than music stopping every time the screen goes off?
[16:34] <dobey> yes
[16:34] <mcphail> This platform is locked down so tightly, we're being left with ugly hacks to achieve the basics
[16:36] <ahayzen> background-playlists pretty much solves all of this, once/if media-hub supports the decoding of spotify streams :-)
[16:38] <mcphail> OK, then what about background GPS logging, background file synching etc? We don't have frameworks for these. A background API would be a compromise
[16:38]  * mcphail has no idea how it would work, so don't ask him ;)
[16:42] <dobey> working like iOS does would be good enough for me
[16:43] <mcphail> How does iOS do it?
[16:45] <dobey> has an api where apps request background processing time, and then can be awarded a block of time, and then request more time if needed.
[16:45] <mcphail> That sounds sensible
[16:46] <ogra_> but is more implementation work
[16:46] <dobey> i think we also need to implmeent CPU quotas and such
[16:46] <dobey> ogra_: yes, anything is more implementation work than doing nothing at all
[16:46] <ogra_> right
[16:46] <ogra_> well, we do *something*
[16:46] <ogra_> (sending SIGSTOP and SIGCONT)
[16:47] <dobey> well, what we do is prevent the exact thing that everyone is complaining we don't have an api for doing
[16:47] <ogra_> and i have seen MPs for cleverer oom scheduling i think
[16:47] <dobey> ie, we are doing nothing to make background processing for apps work
[16:48] <dobey> better OOM scheduling doesn't provide background processing :)
[16:48] <ogra_> indeed
[16:48] <ogra_> but happens in the same corner of the code
[16:51] <dobey> maybe. i don't know that code that well. but the point is that all of what that code is doing, is to prevent the exact thing that is being asked for. not to make it possible to do that thing :)
[21:48] <polylux> good evening everyone
[22:51] <aquiles> How to reinstall libertine on ubuntu touch


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[03:32] <alkisg> purge the ibus package, but make sure you didn't install something that needs like it zoom
 How to purge?
 Is the ibus package needed?
 I upgraded from 20.04 to 22.04 and then it showed up
[03:34] <enigma9o7[m]> Thats the keyboard layout selector thingy, just remove it from the panel thing if you dont wanna see it.
 Ok thanks have disabled it
 I installed krusader, and it needed kget and such things, i installed them but are they needed for use with krusader? Wanted to find alternatives to total commander
[03:38] <enigma9o7[m]> Well, you need to see if it is reccommended or required.
[03:38] <enigma9o7[m]> And sometimes, if required, there's an or there too.
 Its recommended and for some funtionsn requiered
[03:39] <enigma9o7[m]> So you got a couple ways to go about it.  You could trace back and see why it got installed.  Use aptitude (might have to install it) and `aptitude why kget`
 Ok thanks
[03:39] <enigma9o7[m]> and it will tell you why it got installed, if it was reccommended or required.
 Thank you i will look into it
[03:39] <enigma9o7[m]> Another alternative, is remove all the things that were "reccommened" but not required.... looks like for krusader thats only a few things... but each of those may depend/reccommend more things
 Krusader said not found, please install this and this
 On first start
 Aptitude says its optional
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 No extra dependencies on the things i had to install (re @IrcsomeBot: <enigma9o7[m]> Another alternative, is remove all the things that were "reccommened" but not required.... looks like for krusader thats only a few things... but each of those may depend/reccommend more things)
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[05:46] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: I think they're trying to fill out a captcha.
[05:47] <arraybolt3[m]> I see those odd 4-character codes come through Telegram frequently.
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 Hi i install yesterday kubuntu the last version and i cand contact to my wifi the computer work white tp link usb net card i see the wifi list i put the password but it is not coonect what can i do to solve it?
[06:29] <enigma9o7[m]> try capslock key
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 Hello, why are my c270 webcam from logitech not supported in linux? Its badder quality than in windows 10
 Are there any linux drivers out there?
[12:35] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: If the webcam is working, the drivers probably aren't at fault. You may just need to change the webcam resolution in whatever app you're using.
 Okay thanks
 Recording from linux with cheese is bad af
 In windows the recording is smooth but in linux its crap
[12:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Cheese > Preferences > Webcam, then choose a different resolution.
 Ok .. thanks
 That fixed it, but the biultin 720p webcam is crap, the external 720p webcam is way better but not that good like in windows, idk whats wrong there but i understand that the builders of the webcam mostly windows supporting
 The whole industry of such things should take on more  hardware native  for linux
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[15:11] <arraybolt3[m]> @Abu: Sadly, this is Google's doing. They recently made it so that Chromium is no longer capable of integrating with a Google account. If you want that functionality, you have to install Google Chrome proper. (You should still be able to sign into Google even with Chromium, but it won't be tightly integrated like it is with Chrome.)
 So i have to install google chrome
[15:14] <arraybolt3[m]> @Abu: If you want all the fancy Google account integration, yes.
[15:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (Technically, there is a way of making Chromium work, but it's very, very complicated, and might not even entirely work.)
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[17:19] <gamingmarcell> hi
[17:47] <user|78> There's some issue with suspend mode: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/vqmgif/suspending_is_not_working_it_only_locks_the_pc
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