[17:49] <SchrodingersScat> oh, excuse me then, thought you weer trying to get the dependencies for building konversation
[17:49] <WaV> actually yes pretty much
[17:50] <WaV> kde is one of them
[17:50] <JakesDen> i will run that command
[17:50] <JakesDen> the long one
[17:50] <k1l> JakesDen: is the /boot partition mounted?
[17:50] <k1l> JakesDen: is it the /boot the grub that is installed into the MBR is using?
[17:51] <JakesDen> i dont know, how do i find out
[17:51] <SchrodingersScat> WaV: man apt-get , check out build-dep, can normally install the dependencies needed for the software supplied after it, apt-get build-dep konversation , for example.
[17:51] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, how many partitions of hard disk do you have?
[17:51] <k1l> JakesDen: "mount" will tell you
[17:52] <curlyears> heigh hough
[17:53] <JakesDen> 1 sec
[17:53] <curlyears> time's up
[17:54] <JakesDen> should i run mount and send output to a pastebin
[17:54] <ovrflw0x> yo curlie wurlie burlie curlyears
[17:54] <k1l> JakesDen: yes
[17:54] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, just run "lsblk" and tell here how many /boot you got
[17:55] <JakesDen> so i need to do one for lsblk and mount
[17:55] <k1l> JakesDen: that would give some facts besides "i dont use ubuntu but other OS that mess my grub"
[17:55] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, just run lsblk
[17:57] <JakesDen> here is the output for both: tiny.cc/jakecmdlog
[17:58] <SchrodingersScat> JakesDen: so the 46.6GB are /'s and then the single /boot?
[17:58] <JakesDen> yes
[17:59] <curlyears> I can't get mknod to work for me.  I am typing sudo mknod /dev/sdb b
[18:00] <Nathan88> hi guys
[18:00] <curlyears> I am trying to format a 3TB HDD
[18:00] <Megalex> what are some useful servers to run at home? i already got openvpn running, ssh, what else could be useful? :)
[18:01] <curlyears> Megalex:  useful to whom, for what?
[18:01] <JakesDen> .
[18:01] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, which version you using? ubuntu
[18:01] <Megalex> curlyears, just brainstorm :)
[18:01] <_unreal> curlyears: what is the 3tb drive formingg issue?
[18:02] <_unreal> formating
 i have (in order of instalation) peppermint, kubuntu and cub linux
[18:02] <JakesDen> cub linux is the only one that shows up in grub at boot
[18:02] <curlyears> _unreal:   I can't glean enough information from the man or info pages to get mknod to work
[18:02] <_unreal> ok?
[18:03] <_unreal> but what are you trying t do
[18:03] <_unreal> what kind of a format
[18:03] <JakesDen> when i run update-grub it shows the other os's i have installed but when i reboot they dont show up in grub
[18:03] <Nathan88> is ubuntu used for making games?
[18:03] <_unreal> ext 3-4?
[18:03] <curlyears> \so what would be the correct syntax for the command, to format a 3TB drive as a plain EXT4 filesystem?
[18:03] <_unreal> Nathan88: it can be
[18:03] <Nathan88> sweet
[18:03] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, try this command "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[18:03] <OerHeks> curlyears, just use the disks utility
[18:04] <_unreal> curlyears: mkfs.ext4 /dev/xxxx
[18:04] <curlyears> Oerheks:  what disks utility?
[18:04] <curlyears> ahhhh...thanks guys
[18:04] <JakesDen> and reboot?
[18:04] <OerHeks> curlyears, you are clever enough to find the comandline :-D
[18:04] <_unreal> curlyears: you can also use gparted
[18:04] <ovrflw0x> of course
[18:05] <JakesDen> still nope
[18:05] <ovrflw0x> what message do you get/
[18:05] <ovrflw0x> ?
[18:05] <Nathan88> i've got a business propostion for you guys
[18:06] <JakesDen> is grub stuupsed to say GNU grub version 2.02 ?
[18:06] <Nathan88> i'd like for a simple 2d top down multiplayer shooter made
[18:06] <reisio> JakesDen: that's fine
[18:06] <_unreal> show me the money
[18:06] <JakesDen> ok
[18:06] <_unreal> :)
[18:06] <SchrodingersScat> !support | Nathan88 this channel is only for ubuntu support
[18:06] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, what message do you get?
[18:06] <Nathan88> well i was hoping we could reach an agreement based on equity
[18:07] <JakesDen> now why wont it list the other os's when grub is booted but it does when i run update-grub
[18:07] <JakesDen> i rebooted
[18:07] <JakesDen> but it sayed no errors found or something like that
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Nathan88, reaad ubottu's message above
[18:07] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, install os-prober or something
[18:07] <SchrodingersScat> my question would be if you overwrote the /boot/ with cub linux and maybe that's why it's not going?
[18:07] <Nathan88> if this isn't the place i'll just leave]
[18:07] <k1l> JakesDen: details matter a lot.
[18:07] <JakesDen> i dunno
[18:07] <BluesKaj> this is not the place for sure
[18:08] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, now log into ubutnu and run "update-grub"
[18:08] <k1l> JakesDen: if there is any output and you dont understand it clearly show it in pastebin.
[18:08] <ovrflw0x> see if other linux gets listed
[18:08] <reisio> JakesDen: you ran grub-mkconfig and got no new boot options?
[18:09] <JakesDen> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[18:09] <JakesDen> Installation finished. No error reported.
[18:09] <JakesDen> nope
[18:09] <reisio> JakesDen: edit /boot/grug/grub.cfg
[18:09] <JakesDen> ovrflw0x, i will run update-grub now
[18:09] <reisio> JakesDen: change any of the menuentry titles to something you can notice the change for
[18:09] <reisio> then reboot and make sure you see that change
[18:10] <JakesDen> ok reisio
[18:11] <Bashing-om> curlyears: Have you seen : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive for the CLI way ?
[18:12] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, did update grub detect?
[18:12] <reisio> JakesDen: if you don't see the change, then the grub.cfg you are editing is not related to the grub that is in control of booting
[18:12] <JakesDen> update-grub alleays lists all other os's
[18:13] <JakesDen> i will reboot now i changed the name
[18:13] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, no jackass that won't fix it
[18:13] <JakesDen> i was just saying
[18:13] <ovrflw0x> what name did you change?
[18:13] <reisio> doesn't matter
[18:14] <JakesDen> it didnt show changes
[18:15] <reisio> JakesDen: then the grub that's loading your cub is not cub's
[18:15] <reisio> either that, or you have a fake /boot that's full of misleading information, and your proper /boot isn't mounted
[18:15] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, are your partitions listed in grub via UUID or /dev/sdaX?
[18:16] <JakesDen> it doesnt show anything in cub linuxes /boot when the boot partition is nmounted
[18:16] <reisio> ovrflw0x: doesn't matter, that grub.cfg is not being read
[18:16] <reisio> JakesDen: you should probably just boot the kubuntu install image to fix this
[18:16] <bipul> Hello Kindly check it out this http://paste.ubuntu.net/23076328/
[18:17] <JakesDen> ok and should i see if that makes the pc boot kubuntu on grub?
[18:18] <reisio> bipul: can talk to ##linux about that, even
[18:18] <bipul> A kind of ACL's problem i am facing
[18:18] <bipul> reisio, You want me to past this link at ## linux
[18:19] <bipul> ?
[18:19] <reisio> JakesDen: boot your kubuntu install media, mount & chroot your kubuntu, then grub-install
[18:19] <reisio> JakesDen: that should put kubuntu in charge of booting, then you need only ensure kubuntu's grub.cfg lists your other installs
[18:19] <reisio> (and then avoid having any of your other distros grub-install again)
[18:19] <JakesDen> how???
[18:20] <reisio> JakesDen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:20] <reisio> either of those should suffice
[18:20] <reisio> grub-install /dev/sda alone might do it
[18:20] <reisio> I forget
[18:20] <JakesDen> how i chroot my kubuntu install
[18:21] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, on which hard disk partition in kubuntu installed?
[18:21] <ovrflw0x> is*
[18:21] <ovrflw0x> tell me /dev/sdX
[18:21] <JakesDen>  let me boot the install usb and i will find out
[18:21] <EmeraldExplorer> I'm trying to figure out the best structure for my files. Right now I have my minecraft servers in /home/mcserver/[serverName] my xenforo in /home/spyderweb/xenforo and my teamspeak in /home/teamspeak . However, is this good? Isn't it better to make a user with a home directory in /opt/[username] or something?
[18:22] <JakesDen> it will say at tiny.cc/jakecmdlog
[18:22] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: /home/ is the ordinary place for users' homes
[18:22] <pete5x5> Hi wondering if someone can help me out with WiFi issues on a macbook air 2,1?  Have followed instructions on installing the Broadcom proprietary driver for the chip BCM4321, It says that driver is being used in System Settings -> Software & Updates, but it still doesn't work.  Thoughts?
[18:22] <JakesDen> its the second ~50gb partition
[18:22] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: doesn't actually matter where you put things, though
[18:22] <marcinsky> hi
[18:23] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: I will say that out of foo/bar, foo/baz, and qux, either two of those are pointlessly using another model, or one is
[18:23] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, why are you posting mount command output?
[18:23] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: I just see a lot of tutorials that put things in /opt/ or /someRootDirectoryIForgot/local/
[18:23] <reisio> marcinsky: hi
[18:23] <JakesDen> cause i was asked before
[18:23] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: /opt/ is for 3rd party binary blob proprietary trash
[18:23] <JakesDen> for some reason#
[18:23] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, are cups and kubuntu linux on usb flash drive?
[18:24] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: if you don't like /home/, then make /servers/
[18:24] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: doesn't matter
[18:24] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: I like home, I just want to figure out what is good
[18:24] <JakesDen> i have kubuntu installer on usb i will boot the usb now
[18:24] <reisio> home is fine
[18:24] <ovrflw0x> wtf
[18:24] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, what do you mean installer?
[18:24] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, have you installed or are you trying to install?
[18:25] <JakesDen> the default one
[18:25] <ovrflw0x> wtf
[18:25] <JakesDen> the one that has the installer
[18:25] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, you mean livecd?
[18:25] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: would teamspeak be considered "3rd party binary blob trash"? :p
[18:25] <JakesDen> what you get from there site
[18:25] <JakesDen> yes
[18:25] <ovrflw0x> lol
[18:25] <ovrflw0x> dude wtf
[18:26] <ovrflw0x> you don't need grub to boot live usb
[18:26] <JakesDen> so how do i <reisio> JakesDen: boot your kubuntu install media, mount & chroot your kubuntu, then grub-install
[18:26] <JakesDen> ithere
[18:26] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, no jacko
[18:26] <EmeraldExplorer> s/teamspeak/teamspeak-server
[18:26] <JakesDen> thats what i was doing
[18:26] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, what are you ACTUALLY trying to do?
[18:26] <f380cedric_> Hi, I have a question, notify-send from libnotify-bin has urgency level, the level critical should bypass full-screen app, but it does not bypass flash/html5 full-screen, is that normal? It is really problematic for critical battery level :/
[18:26] <JakesDen> trtying to get grub to detect my others
[18:26] <JakesDen> oter os's that are installed
[18:27] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, which OS's are ALREADY installed?
[18:27] <ovrflw0x> kubuntu is on live cd so it is NOT installed
[18:27] <JakesDen> for the 5th time now
 <JakesDen> i have (in order of instalation) peppermint, kubuntu and cub linux
[18:28] <JakesDen> cub linux is the only one in grub
[18:28] <bipul> ??
[18:28] <ovrflw0x> lol JakesDen you said kubuntu is on LIVE CD
[18:28] <reisio> f380cedric_: sounds normal, but still a bug
[18:28] <nicch_> ??
[18:28] <JakesDen> sorry
[18:28] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: also one more question: would it be good to use /home/spyderweb/www/xenforo for www.mydomain.com ==> xenforo and /home/spyderweb/gitlab/gitlab for gitlab.mydomain.com ==> gitlab
[18:28] <nicch_> oke
[18:28] <JakesDen> i thought you where someone else
[18:28] <reisio> JakesDen: did you answer his question about which partition kubuntu was on?
[18:28] <f380cedric_> reisio, do you know if there is a launchpad bug report where somebody is working on a patch?
[18:28] <pete5x5> Hi wondering if someone can help me out with WiFi issues on a macbook air 2,1?  Have followed instructions on installing the Broadcom proprietary driver for the chip BCM4321, It says that driver is being used in System Settings -> Software & Updates, but it still doesn't work.  Thoughts?
[18:28] <JakesDen> i was told to chroot my kubuntu install from the kubuntu live cd and run grub-install
[18:29] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: doesn't really matter; what's spyderweb?
[18:29] <bipul> reisio, Sir you know the answer?
[18:29] <ovrflw0x> rofl
[18:29] <ovrflw0x> this guy is crazy
[18:29] <reisio> f380cedric_: no, but you can check yourself
[18:29] <nicch_> hello
[18:29] <reisio> bipul: yes
[18:29] <JakesDen> ik
[18:29] <reisio> bipul: but what's the question?
[18:29] <f380cedric_> reisio, thanks :)
[18:29] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: stuff for "the web"
[18:29] <EmeraldExplorer> just called it a weird name so people couldn't hack me as easily
[18:29] <EmeraldExplorer> s/hack/brute force
[18:29] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: spyderweb/gitlab/gitlab looks stupid, but spyderweb/gitlab seems fine
[18:29] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: it's just personal preference
[18:30] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: what makes you think calling it 'spyderweb' will make it more secure?
[18:30] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, what OS's does grub list?
[18:30] <JakesDen> cub linux
[18:30] <ovrflw0x> and...
[18:30] <ovrflw0x> can you boot into cub linux?
[18:30] <reisio> JakesDen: did you answer his question about which partition kubuntu was on?
[18:30] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: So brute forcers won't use a commonly used username (ex: web) to gain access to my system
[18:31] <JakesDen> but when i was told to modify the name of cub linux in the /boot partition it didnt change it when i rebooted so it must be using grub somewhere else
[18:31] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: won't make any difference
[18:31] <bipul> The question is with bipul account, I am not able to edit the content of a file test. Even though bipul is in hary group.
[18:31] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: ehh just going by what people tell me
[18:31] <JakesDen> kubuntu is on:
[18:31] <EmeraldExplorer> they said "don't use common names"
[18:31] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: then go by what I just told you :p
[18:31] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: makes no difference
[18:32] <bipul> http://paste.ubuntu.net/23076328/
[18:32] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: don't want to rip all my symlinks and too lazy to make another bash script to update them :p
[18:32] <EmeraldExplorer> might listen to you if I get another server though
[18:32] <JakesDen> its on /dev/sda8
[18:32] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: it's fine to leave it as is, you just don't need to do that in general, FYI
[18:32] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: OK. So since gitlab might be sypderweb/gitlab then it would only make sense to have the main xenforo as spyderweb/www
[18:33] <EmeraldExplorer> and not spyderweb/www/xenforo
[18:33] <EmeraldExplorer> correct?
[18:33] <pete5x5> Hi wondering if someone can help me out with WiFi issues on a macbook air 2,1?  Have followed instructions on installing the Broadcom proprietary driver for the chip BCM4321, It says that driver is being used in System Settings -> Software & Updates, but it still doesn't work.  Thoughts?
[18:33] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, nothing is mounted on /dev/sda8
[18:33] <reisio> JakesDen: sudo mkdir /mnt/kubuntu; sudo mount /dev/sda8 /mnt/kubuntu; sudo mount -t proc none /mnt/kubuntu/proc; sudo mount --rbind /sys /mnt/kubuntu/sys; sudo mount --rbind /dev /mnt/kubuntu/dev; sudo chroot /mnt/kubuntu /bin/bash
[18:33] <reisio> JakesDen: then: sudo grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda; exit
[18:33] <reisio> JakesDen: sudo umount -l /mnt/kubuntu{/sys,/dev,/proc} /mnt/kubuntu; sudo reboot
[18:34] <JakesDen> can you put that into a sh file i can wget and run on the device?
[18:34] <reisio> JakesDen: :p
[18:34] <JakesDen> cause its very long
[18:34] <bipul> reisio, ?
[18:34] <reisio> pete5x5: what doesn't work, nm-applet?
[18:35] <reisio> bipul: ?
[18:35] <JakesDen> i gtg soon so be quick
[18:35] <reisio> JakesDen: heh
[18:35] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, dude you got nothing mounted on /dev/sda8 according to lsblk
[18:35] <JakesDen> well it isnt mounted atm ovrflw0x
[18:36] <ovrflw0x> okay
[18:36] <bipul> reisio, I asked the question in channel :)
[18:36] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, can you boot into kubuntu?
[18:36] <JakesDen> it isnt set to auto mount
[18:36] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: OK. So since gitlab might be sypderweb/gitlab then it would only make sense to have the main xenforo as spyderweb/www , correct?
[18:36] <pete5x5> reisio: not sure what's not working, not really sure even how to start troubleshooting TBH.  Wifi shows up in top-right bar, but no networks are available even though it seems to be using the correct driver
[18:36] <JakesDen> how do i boot into kubuntu
[18:36] <EmeraldExplorer> and not spyderweb/www/xenforo
[18:36] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: as opposed to?
[18:36] <reisio> bipul: what question?
[18:36] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, bye man use something simler
[18:36] <ovrflw0x> simpler
[18:36] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: just so I can be consistent with naming practices
[18:37] <JakesDen> can i try to do what reisio is trying to tell me first
[18:37] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: I don't know what you're comparing, but 'www' and 'gitlab' match nicely enough
[18:37] <ovrflw0x> JakesDen, sometimes you say Kubuntu is on USB LIVE disk and sometimes you say it is on /dev/sda8? WTF?
[18:37] <bipul> reisio, The question is with bipul account, I am unable to edit the content of a file test. Even though bipul is in hary group. http://paste.ubuntu.net/23076328/
[18:38] <reisio> bipul: I'd ask ##linux about that
[18:38] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: old: xenforo (www.domain.com): spyderweb/www/xenforo, gitlab (gitlab.domain.com):  spyderweb/gitlab/gitlab ==> new: spyderweb/www and spyderweb/gitlab
[18:38] <JakesDen> reisio, can you put the commands in a sh file on transfer.sh please
[18:38] <bipul> reisio,  ok :)
[18:38] <JakesDen> i have the usb installer and it has been installed ob my laptop as well
[18:39] <JakesDen> reisio, ?
[18:39] <wolfmitchell> Does the installer iso for ubuntu server have liveusb support? Or just the instaler?
[18:39] <wolfmitchell> installer *
[18:40] <YankDownUnder> wolfmitchell: Yes, bro.
[18:40] <wolfmitchell> mmk, just making sure
[18:40] <netvixtra> Damn, Spotify uses alot of power.
[18:40] <reisio> JakesDen: http://dpaste.com/07ZQ120.txt
[18:42] <JakesDen> will run now
[18:43] <JakesDen> rebooting
[18:43] <JakesDen> reisio, k
[18:43] <reisio> k
[18:44] <JakesDen> now grub is a command line
[18:44] <JakesDen> what u done now
[18:44] <damien__> i have a burn in issue on my monitor any ideas
[18:45] <Antipsychiatry> Psychiatry MUST be abolished!!!!!!!!
[18:45] <reisio> JakesDen: what'd grub-install say?
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> Antipsychiatry  wrong channel
[18:45] <reisio> Antipsychiatry: would probably be alright, yeah
[18:45] <reisio> damien__: new monitor?
[18:45] <JakesDen> no issues found
[18:45] <JakesDen> i think
[18:46] <JakesDen> can i use the grub command line to boot kubuntu and run grub-install
[18:46] <Antipsychiatry> Monkey? I read here ...maybe is one interested to abolish this FAKE .
[18:46] <JakesDen> ?
[18:46] <pete5x5> reisio: not sure what's not working, not really sure even how to start troubleshooting TBH.  Wifi shows up in top-right bar, seems to be working, but no networks are available even though it seems to be using the correct driver
[18:46] <damien__> well i heard you can kind of get rid of the burn in. Either with a burn in fix such as a white screen does this work
[18:46] <JakesDen> reisio, will that work?
[18:47] <reisio> JakesDen: you don't need to grub-install again, you just need a working grub.cfg now
[18:47] <JakesDen> hwo
[18:47] <JakesDen> i cant even boot any os
[18:47] <JakesDen> unless you have commands to do so
[18:48] <reisio> JakesDen: you better just follow this -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair -- till you can get one of your grub.cfg's to match your actual bootloader
[18:48] <damien__> reisio\.
[18:49] <reisio> damien__: not that I'm aware of, no
[18:49] <JakesDen> i will boot that now
[18:49] <reisio> damien__: could ask #hardware
[18:49] <reisio> actual burn in is... burnt in
[18:49] <reisio> it is a physical state change
[18:49] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: old: xenforo (www.domain.com): spyderweb/www/xenforo, gitlab (gitlab.domain.com):  spyderweb/gitlab/gitlab ==> new: spyderweb/www and spyderweb/gitlab
[18:49] <reisio> you can only undo it by melting it all down and remaking the matter in question without the impurities
[18:50] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: sounds good
[18:50] <EmeraldExplorer> the question is, if the domain was www.domain.com/xname I'm wondering what I would do for the file structure
[18:50] <EmeraldExplorer> if I had it in spyderweb/www/xname it wouldn't work
[18:50] <EmeraldExplorer> because then xname would be part of the xenforo files
[18:51] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: what's wrong with that?
[18:51] <damien__> xubuntu is a great os it is very lightweight and much faster
[18:51] <reisio> you can think of 'www.domain.com/foo' as a really stupid way to name this directory structure: 'com/domain/www/foo'
[18:51] <reisio> or without subdomains: 'com/domain/foo'
[18:51] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: spyderweb/www contains ALL the xenforo files, so couldn't the xname conflict with the files in the xenforo_home directory?
[18:52] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: if www is /, then www/xname would be /xname just fine
[18:54] <reisio> bipul: what model macbook is it?
[18:54] <bipul> It's ubuntu
[18:54] <reisio> bipul: what hardware model is the macbook
[18:55] <bipul> reisio, i don't know
[18:55] <reisio> bipul: did you say it was an air?
[18:55] <bipul> reisio, i don't know
[18:56] <wolfmitchell> YankDownUnder, ... ok, either the iso i dl'd doesn't have it or ubuntu live server isn't a thing
[18:57] <bipul> reisio, Now i got my answer hahaha
[18:57] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: no I'm not talking about xname I'm talking about files in xname/..
[18:57] <EmeraldExplorer> for example what if they store files in the directory xname?
[18:59] <dwx> ping www.google.com
[18:59] <dwx> :D
[18:59] <dwx> test
[19:00] <dwx> kimse yok mu
[19:00] <bipul> reisio, Now it's working
[19:00] <nicarrow> noob testing this out is it working
[19:00] <dwx> nı tisting wirking
[19:00] <dwx> :D
[19:04] <reisio> bipul: gj
[19:04] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: got me, what if they do?
[19:05] <apb1963> I'm having a packages "held back" problem.  Details here: http://pastebin.com/H6gBX1hz
[19:05] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: I'm trying to get a better structure where this couldn't happen
[19:05] <EmeraldExplorer> since xenforo files are stored in www
[19:05] <EmeraldExplorer> and xname's files are stored in www/xname
[19:06] <EmeraldExplorer> xenforo could possibly store files in www/xname too
[19:06] <EmeraldExplorer> and then a conflict
[19:06] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: k, then use /www and /xname
[19:06] <reisio> doesn't matter
[19:07] <raspy> hi all, when running a pvdisplay, the PV Size is 13.00 GiB / not usable 4.00 MiB, when I run an lvcreate 100%FREE, It only says Avail 12G
[19:07] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: but that wouldn't make any sense because what if I had xname.domain.com and www.domain.com/xname
[19:07] <bipul> gj?
[19:07] <EmeraldExplorer> reisio: just trying to think of a reasonable structure
[19:07] <EmeraldExplorer> the only one I can think of is www/xenforo/[xenforoFilesHere]
[19:07] <raspy> is the unusuable space of 4.00 MiB preventing me from using the remaining 1GB of space on the volume I created?
[19:07] <EmeraldExplorer> but then you said it would be weird to do gitlab/gitlab/[gitlabFilesHere]
[19:10] <kraghot> hi guys
[19:11] <kraghot> I have a question, where could I look up the .config for the kernel compilation
[19:12] <pretodor> guys, imagine this: you're in the terminal and you'd like to open the working directory in nautilus. easy right? just `nautilus .` or `xdg-open .`
[19:12] <pretodor> what if you wanted to bind this command to a keyboard shortcut. how would you do this?
[19:13] <kraghot> because I have an x86 tablet and I can only use otg port for the keyboard. I tried both arch and ubuntu and it seems that the otg port doens't work so I want to check if it has the flag enabled for otg
[19:13] <kraghot> pretodor, you mean a shortcut in the terminal?
[19:13] <kraghot> you could do alias bla="nautilus ."
[19:13] <apb1963> raspy: I don't know for a fact because I don't use lvm, but I have a feeling that the  missing space is taken up by overhead; so you may want to investigate and confirm one way or the other.
[19:13] <kraghot> something like that
[19:14] <raspy> thx apb1963
[19:14] <kraghot> but then you have to put it in your .bashrc if you want it to be persistent
[19:14] <pretodor> kraghot: a keyboard shortcut to be precise. Not a bash alias
[19:14] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: well, it'd make the most sense to know whether or not your own app was going to write to /xname :p
[19:14] <pretodor> I'd like to bind `xdg-open .` to ctrl+shift+e but I have absolutely no idea how
[19:14] <pretodor> kraghot: been scratching my head over this for a few days now
[19:16] <kraghot> pretodor, not sure what you mean. You want when you're in the terminal and press a shortcut for it to open that folder in nautilus?
[19:16] <pretodor> kraghot: exactly
[19:16] <kraghot> hmmm
[19:16] <kraghot> you'll then need to somehow type in nautilus . and press enter
[19:17] <pretodor> kraghot: that's the thing. I'm trying to avoid that. I would like to execute `nautilus .` by pressing ctrl+shift+e
[19:17] <kraghot> hmm
[19:18] <pretodor> kraghot: my thoughts exactly...
[19:18] <kraghot> it would be must easier to just alias it to a letter and press enter
[19:18] <kraghot> much*
[19:18] <pretodor> kraghot: that is my backup plan
[19:18] <kraghot> you would have to find a command which sends keystrokes
[19:18] <kraghot> and then use settings to make e shortcut and execute that command
[19:19] <kraghot> pretodor,  how bout http://askubuntu.com/questions/280604/assign-hotkeys-to-paste-predefined-text
[19:20] <pretodor> kraghot: this might work. thanks for the link, kraghot. But i'm afraid it won't be sandboxed inside the 'terminal' program
[19:21] <kraghot> pretodor, which ubuntu version are you running?
[19:21] <pretodor> kraghot: 16.04
[19:21] <kraghot> pretodor, maybe theres a better terminal emulator that supports keybindings like this?
[19:22] <pretodor> sorry, accidentally closed the tab
[19:22] <matt__> hi there
[19:22] <kraghot> pretodor, could you please run "zcat /proc/config.gz | grep USB_OTG" and tell me if the variable is set? I don't know how else to check except for booting it froma usb :(
[19:22] <pretodor> kraghot: have you heard of any good contenders
[19:23] <pretodor> kraghot: doesn't look like it
[19:23] <kraghot> pretodor,  maybe rxvt?
[19:23] <kraghot> ok thank you
[19:24] <kraghot> that;s why my tablets usb ports arent working
[19:31] <Kraghot> so does anyone know how to install ubuntu to a USB with UEFI
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> !persistent | Kraghot start here
[19:35] <Kraghot> thank you MonkeyDust
[19:35] <prasad> hi
[20:08] <apb1963> I'm having a packages "held back" problem.  Details here: http://pastebin.com/H6gBX1hz
[20:11] <apb1963> I'm having a packages "held back" problem.  Details here: http://pastebin.com/nTW3AAhY [sorry for repeat, previous paste expired]
[20:12] <k1l> apb1963: you can run "sudo apt full-upgrade". you need to run that to get all latest updates installed
[20:13] <apb1963> k1l: thx... did you look at the paste?
[20:13] <k1l> apb1963: that is what usual updates look like.
[20:14] <apb1963> k1l: I don't think you checked it out carefully
[20:14] <apb1963> I should also mention I'm running 14.04
[20:15] <k1l> apb1963: please explain what the issue is?
[20:15] <apb1963> k1l: I did.  In the paste.
[20:16] <k1l> no. explain in details what you issue is, if you dont trust me that this is a regular update.
[20:16] <k1l> that pastebin output looks 100% like a regular update. so what is your exact issue there?
[20:16] <spacecub> hi all
[20:17] <apb1963> k1l: It wants to install specific packages.  My question is, are those packages safe to install?
[20:17] <k1l> apb1963: if they come from the ubuntu repo, why should they not be safe to install?
[20:18] <spacecub> using lubuntu 64bit, want to use Asunder to rip cd to mp3, claims there is no "lame in my path" what does this mean?
[20:18] <apb1963> k1l: Because stuff happens and people aren't perfect.
[20:18] <k1l> apb1963: that is why the packages get automated testings and users do have backups of important data.
[20:19] <apb1963> k1l: Since I'm not familiar with the packages, and have no idea why after running it for years, it suddenly wants to install new packages in order to upgrade one that's been there all this time.
[20:20] <k1l> apb1963: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/update-notifier/update-notifier_0.154.1ubuntu2/changelog
[20:20] <k1l> that is why
[20:20] <spacecub> oooh, google..
[20:20] <apb1963> k1l: And there we have it.  "backups", something you assume I have, but don't due to a lack of space.  When my system is totally hosed and unusable what will you say?  "You should have had a backup".  Oh, thank you.
[20:21] <tito__> hi
[20:21] <k1l> apb1963: ok. good luck with your issue, i am not here as a volunteer for having to ask eery detail 10 times and just get your rantings.
[20:22] <reisio> hi tito
[20:22] <tito__> hi amigo
[20:22] <apb1963> k1l: hardly ranting.  But when people tell me "just do it because I said so"... I ask questions.
[20:23] <SchrodingersScat> apb1963: you really should have backups though, sweet stallman
[20:23] <tito__> how are you reisio
[20:23] <reisio> pretty okay, you?
[20:24] <apb1963> k1l: I appreciate you taking the time to help, I do.  I just know that people make assumptions that are not always true.  And so, I have to protect myself and my system from random "suggestions" from unknown sources.
[20:24] <tito__> hi roman_
[20:24] <tito__> hi Afrix
[20:24] <tito__> hi esholx
[20:24] <spacecub> is  the lame codec workable?
[20:24] <Afrix> hello
[20:24] <shaun> Hey guys, I have a complicated question, I've pasted here: http://pastebin.com/9GzwfSes Could someone take a look and give me some directions?
[20:24] <reisio> spacecub: ?
[20:24] <apb1963> SchrodingersScat: yes... I should... and... when the universe chooses to drop another hard drive in my lap... I'll make one.
[20:25] <SchrodingersScat> apb1963: at least one remote as well
[20:25] <apb1963> SchrodingersScat: yes... that would be ideal
[20:25] <spacecub> i googled my issue on the missing lame codec and it says to bypass if possible, looking for ruby ripper now, but cant find it
[20:26] <spacecub> just trying to rip a cd..
[20:26] <reisio> shaun: those are a lot of different issues
[20:26] <reisio> shaun: bind is entirely virtual
[20:26] <shaun> reisio: even after putting it in fstab?
[20:26] <spacecub> using lubuntu, its for my sons samsung phone, not sure if it likes ogg..
[20:26] <reisio> shaun: what is what after putting what into fstab?
[20:27] <reisio> spacecub: you can use rubyripper and lame, yes
[20:27] <spacecub> what are ppl using to rip cd`s?
[20:27] <reisio> spacecub: android should play ogg fine, too
[20:27] <reisio> spacecub: people aren't so much anymore
[20:27] <reisio> spacecub: there's not anything better than rubyripper for really good rips, but you might be entirely happy with, for example, cdparanoia (& frontends)
[20:27] <spacecub> oh, ill try and search rubyripper as one word.
[20:27] <Nytram> I've used vlc before now, it does a pretty fair job
[20:28] <reisio> spacecub: you can get it from a ppa last I checked (last year)
[20:28] <reisio> spacecub: if you aren't concerned with bit-for-bit perfect copies, just use cdparanoia or any frontend
[20:28] <spacecub> k, thanky, looking :)
[20:28] <apb1963> spacecub: I don't know if this will help but back when I neeed to rip a CD I used "k3b" if memory serves.  I don't recall any details.
[20:28] <Nytram> Yeah! K3b is good.
[20:28] <akik> kde has a built-in ripper
[20:28] <shaun> reisio: for making mount --bind reboot-proof (as shown here http://askubuntu.com/questions/205841/how-do-i-mount-a-folder-from-another-partition)
[20:28] <apb1963> akik: I use kde... where is this ripper?
[20:29] <akik> apb1963: i have to look it up
[20:29] <reisio> and if anybody suggests 'morituri' to you, ignore them because that program barely even runs
[20:29] <akik> apb1963: i think it's described here http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_desktop_guides/kde_desktop_user_guide/audio-cd.html
[20:30] <akik> apb1963: i used that last year in kde 4
[20:30] <MonkeyDust> !info morituri
[20:31] <mmeth> Hi. I done goofed and now I have to reinstall windows. I want both ubuntu and windows on sda but atm grub is on sdb. I figure installing windows will break the boot to ubuntu, should I just reformat the whole drive before installing windows and then re-install ubuntu?
[20:31] <reto> hi
[20:31] <pyrax> hoi
[20:32] <mmeth> and on which drive should I put boot, for some reason the boot was on sdb
[20:32] <spacecub> hi all again, looks like cd paranoia may already be installed, I`m guessing i dont need .dbg and .dev packages to run
[20:32] <spacecub> start from shell?
[20:32] <apb1963> akik: ty.  I'll have to investigate when I have more time.   Seems to built into konquerer, but like I say... will need to investigate.  Thx!
[20:32] <apb1963> +be
[20:32] <reisio> mmeth: reformatting won't do anything but use up more time
[20:33] <akik> apb1963: yea it wasn't as built-in as i remembered
[20:33] <shaun> if I mount the folders instead of symlinking it and clonzeilla the ubuntu 16.04 partition, will the source of the mounted folders be backed up as well?
[20:33] <SchrodingersScat> !fixgrub | mmeth
[20:33] <reisio> mmeth: you can fix Windows stealing the boot loader after it happens easily
[20:34] <spacecub> ooh, it runs in the shell, no gui? :) (cdparanoia)
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> spacecub  ripping cds? try    jack -Q -R
[20:40] <reisio> spacecub: cdparanoia on its own, there are many GUI frontends
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> spacecub  try asunder or ripit
[20:44] <spacecub> asunder complains of missing lame codec, not sure what a frontend is :)
[20:44] <spacecub> installing k3b..
[20:45] <spacecub> frontend like a gui?
[20:45] <k1l> then install the lame codec. it is a similar one like mp3
[20:46] <k1l> sudo apt install lame
[20:46] <netsrot> Hi, I'm trying to follow the gallium-nine tutorial but aptitude refuses to install wine that way. I get the following message http://pastebin.com/n4DvjBpA is there any way to work around that to get wine g9 installed?
[20:46] <spacecub> haha was just about to ask
[20:47] <m_abdelfattah> Helllo... I just created a new Ubuntu 16.04 droplet on DO and it keeps disconnecting me and I'm getting the following error on my mac terminal: packet_write_wait: Connection to XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX: Broken pipe
[20:47] <spacecub> k, lame installed, thanky
[20:48] <msev->  can you guys help me with this -> http://pastebin.com/RVNnKkXA ,... here is the service -> http://pastebin.com/QBxyiiEy and this is mycroft.sh -> https://github.com/MycroftAI/mycroft-core/blob/master/mycroft.sh
[20:49] <spacecub> k, ripping, thanks guys...
[20:52] <EmeraldExplorer> Anyone know if there is a way to always go with the side of the origin when using a git repository and merging?
[20:52] <spacecub> im going to leave to free cpu, thanks again
[20:55] <reisio> EmeraldExplorer: #git
[20:55] <EmeraldExplorer> Thanks reisio
[21:10] <user512> Which runlevels do get called if I call  reboot or shutdown -P?  0,6, both?
[21:44] <weust> hello
[21:45] <reisio> weust: hi
[21:46] <weust> I am installing Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 on a Intel NUC 5i3RYB. It won´t boot past /dev/sda1: clean etcetc, or /dev/sda2. Iǘe installed in UEFI and BIOS mode. no difference. anything I´ve missed?
[21:46] <weust> also, installing on a M.2 SSD.
[21:46] <weust> Had Arch Linux on it before and that booted just fine. BIOS mode.
[21:57] <weust> *sigh* the first term screen shows that message, but switching to vt2 shows a login prompt. this crap took me 2 hours :-(
[21:57] <reisio> ?
[21:58] <weust> it somehow default to the tty on ctrl-alt-F7
[21:58] <weust> defaults*
[21:58] <weust> instead of showing tty1 with the yellow text login
[22:00] <weust> tty7 is appearently the GUI (looking up how to change it). I don´t have a GUI installed...
[22:01] <reisio> weust: probably need to disable the gdm service
[22:02] <weust> I do not have gdm installed. it is a clean Ubuntu Server installation. No X at all. only SSH server installed from the installer
[22:04] <weust> lookg at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143902 it might be something to do with the vt.handoff in the /etc/grub.d/10_linux file
[22:05] <weust> doesn´t really matter. I want to build a Kodi machine of it, so a X will be installed anyway
[22:06] <reisio> :D
[22:06] <weust> just annoying it took 2 hours to figure this out. I´ve build several VM´s with Ubuntu Server now, and they never go to tty7 on boot.
[22:07] <reisio> yup, sounds odd
[22:07] <weust> first installation I do on hardware :-)
[22:07] <weust> but now I can redo it for UEFI.....
[22:14] <limbothai> !topic
[22:15] <jewbird> !lookmommaimadeittoforbes
[22:23] <runciter_> wenas
[22:27] <Guest7997> hey
[22:27] <reisio> hi
[22:27] <Guest7997> new to IRSSI, was just testing stuff :)
[22:28] <Guest7997> irssi -n Phenom0772
[22:28] <Guest7997> :(
[22:59] <don_> anyone?
[22:59]  * reisio is a one
[23:00] <crossover> saludoss.
[23:01] <grizzlybear_> Hola! Este es un canal de soporte para Ubuntu sólamente?
[23:02] <reisio> grizzlybear_: si
[23:03] <grizzlybear_> reisio: Ok. Disculpen las molestias entonces.
[23:03] <reisio> grizzlybear_: porque?
[23:06] <grizzlybear_> Es que necesito ayuda con kali linux en realidad y no sé adonde consultar
[23:08] <reisio> grizzlybear_: you can talk to #kali-linux
[23:08] <bazhang> grizzlybear_, kali is not supported here, also this english chat
[23:09] <grizzlybear_> reisio: Oh! Gracias!!! Muchísimas Gracias! (bazhang: thanks to you too!!!)
[23:09] <reisio> grizzlybear_: ordinarily you could send the message /msg alis list *kali*
[23:10] <reisio> but the clowns in #kali-linux want their public irc support channel to be a secret for some reason
[23:11] <grizzlybear_> reisio: Ok! Thanks!
[23:20] <Guest64737> alguien habla español
[23:20] <hggdh> !es | Guest64737
[23:26] <sulfasal> doing sudo do-release-upgrade on 15.10 box, keep getting "No new release found"
[23:29] <c|oneman> anyone run Ubuntu Desktop inside OpenVZ?
[23:34] <sulfasal> doing sudo do-release-upgrade on 15.10 box, keep getting "No new release found"
[23:35] <c|oneman> I don't think theres an upgrade path
[23:35] <c|oneman> to go to 16.x
[23:35] <sulfasal> how does one upgrade?
[23:37] <c|oneman> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-15-10-to-16-04-lts
[23:37] <Ben64> !eolupgrade | sulfasal
[23:37] <Fione> Hi
[23:39] <sulfasal> c|oneman: been there; done that
[23:40] <LARAVELGOD> c|oneman, you can start with minimal server and install desktop,
[23:41] <LARAVELGOD> access through VNC is easiest, depends on the VPS provider
[23:41] <LARAVELGOD> X over SSH is too slow
[23:41] <LARAVELGOD> if you are not on a LAN
[23:43] <LARAVELGOD> some providers have VNC access outside of the VPS setup, otherwise you will have to set that up yourself
[23:45] <dodge29> hi
[23:49] <lordcirth> dodge29, hi
[23:54] <ksft> I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask this, but I'm trying to use Deja Dup to back things up before I upgrade to 16.04, and I have a directory that contains several other directories that each contain another directory with the same name as each other. I want to back up all the lowest level directories I mentioned without any of the others in the parent directory.
[23:54] <ksft> Is there an easy way to do that?
[23:54] <ksft> I'm not sure if I explained that well.
[23:54] <a64> Hello
[23:55] <MannyLNJ> Any ideas why the openvpn log is blank? Ubuntu 14.04 and inbound connections are refused
[23:57] <c|oneman> LARAVELGOD: yeah I've got it all setup, with thinlinc as my RDP, but there are some limitations
[23:57] <c|oneman> for instance apps don't seem to be able to escalate properly, I have to login as root
[23:57] <lordcirth> ksft, probably use 'find' and duplicity manually, or find the deja-dup config file and insert text
[23:57] <LARAVELGOD> c|oneman sounds like a funky setup, it may relate to groups
[23:58] <LARAVELGOD> some apps you can put on autostart, before anyone logs in - that is how most root things are run
[23:58] <ksft> lordcirth: what's duplicity?
[23:58] <LARAVELGOD> if you are having permissions issues when the OS is starting before anyone logs in, then yes too strange
[23:58] <ksft> I keep seeing references to it when I google "deja dup"
[23:58] <cootie> oh?
[23:59] <c|oneman> I cant install software with ubuntu software center, for instance, unless I'm root
[23:59] <cootie> people still use this stuff
[23:59] <cootie> anyone want to be my friend?
[23:59] <ksft> cootie: what stuff?
[23:59] <cootie> irc
[23:59] <ksft> of course!


[00:06] <StevenK> Somebody should blow sampledata up
[01:18] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/performant-getSourcesForDeletion/+merge/153704
[01:21] <wgrant> StevenK: Have you checked that my theory is correct?
[01:21] <StevenK> It sounded plausible to me
[01:22] <wgrant> A query to check that scheduleddeletiondate is set iff (published or has published (or unremoved? can't remember) binaries) would give me more confidence
[01:22] <wgrant> I guess if you check scheduleddeletiondate on the binaries it might work
[01:25] <wgrant> Though it's not going to corrupt data if my assumption is incorrect, we should still try to verify it against existing data.
[01:36] <StevenK> wgrant: Query is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5624173/, results http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5624172/
[01:46] <wgrant> StevenK: https://pastebin.canonical.com/86983/
[01:48] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5624196/
[01:48] <wgrant> I know
[01:48] <StevenK> Right
[01:48] <wgrant> So it looks like it might be right, but maybe not
[01:48] <wgrant> We should probably investigate those cases to see what might be up
[01:48] <wgrant> They may indicate publisher bugs
[01:48] <StevenK> Which cases?
[01:49] <wgrant> Those 20
[01:49] <wgrant> It's also possible that a publisher run will fix those
[01:49] <wgrant> Because this invariant is only eventually consistent
[01:49] <StevenK> Well, let's see on prod
[01:49] <StevenK> Since qas is a bit odd
[01:49] <wgrant> Oh
[01:50] <wgrant> You also check that the binary is actually published
[01:50] <wgrant> Rather than condemned
[01:50] <StevenK> That was what the old method did
[01:50] <wgrant> And I only changed the archive in one part of the query
[01:50] <StevenK> Haha
[01:50] <StevenK> Oh
[01:51] <StevenK> Right, so the results are fairly useless
[01:52] <wgrant> That also explains why it ran so quickly
[01:52] <StevenK> If you're running it on sour, I'll kill mine
[01:52] <wgrant> I am
[01:53] <StevenK> Mine has been killed
[02:06] <StevenK> wgrant: That query with 32 for both archives is 0 rows
[03:14] <StevenK> wgrant: What did that query return for PRIMARY?
[03:15] <wgrant> StevenK: 20000 rows
[03:16] <StevenK> Bloody hell
[03:16] <StevenK> I don't think Archive:+delete-packages works for PRIMARY anyway?
[03:16] <wgrant> Sure
[03:16] <wgrant> But the primary archive and PPAs use the same domination code.
[03:17] <wgrant> Any problem in the primary archive can apply to another archive.
[03:17] <wgrant> So it is a useful pathological test case.
[03:17] <StevenK> Right, so do you want to split up the work, or what is your plan?
[03:20] <wgrant> Hmm, overrides, maybe
[03:20]  * wgrant gives up
[03:20] <StevenK> Overrides will indeed fuck that up
[03:20] <StevenK> Thinking about it
[03:20] <StevenK> No overrides for PPAs
[03:32] <StevenK> wgrant: So I think it's plausible that overrides won't be doing that query any favours.
[03:34] <wgrant> Running it over the first 10k PPAs gives about 500 results
[03:35] <wgrant> Possibly explainable by copies
[03:35] <wgrant> I guess it'll do
[03:36] <StevenK> wgrant: Wait, how do copies explain it?
[03:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Undeletions
[03:36] <wgrant> If I delete something, let it be removed, then revive it
[03:37] <StevenK> Oh, the necromancy style of copies
[03:37] <wgrant> The old pubs may have been removed from disk, despite there now being live binaries
[03:51] <StevenK> wgrant: If it will do, can I get a review, then?
[03:55] <wgrant> StevenK: r=me with a comment
[03:56] <StevenK> wgrant: Your comment assumes I understand the reasons :-P
[03:57] <wgrant> StevenK: We only expose deletion of sources in the UI
[03:57] <wgrant> But you may need to delete a superseded source's binaries
[03:57] <wgrant> So we want to show a source if can itself be deleted, or if it has binaries that can be.
[03:58] <wgrant> Due to the GPL and sanity, we don't condemn sources until their binaries are gone.
[03:58] <StevenK> Right
[03:58] <StevenK> Yeah, I just recalled GPL compliance
[03:59] <StevenK> +        # We will return sources that can be deleted, or deleted sources that
[03:59] <StevenK> +        # still have published binaries. We can use scheduleddeletiondate
[04:00] <StevenK> +        # rather than linking through BPB, BPR and BPPH since we don't condemn
[04:00] <StevenK> +        # sources until their binaries are all gone due to GPL compliance.
[04:00] <StevenK> wgrant: ^
[04:00] <wgrant> Sounds reasonable.
[04:04] <StevenK> wgrant: How goes your TranslationMessage denorm?
[04:12] <wgrant> StevenK: Given that it's a fairly large table, I'm looking for other things I can do at the same time to avoid rewriting it more than once
[04:13] <StevenK> wgrant: It requires a full table rewrite?
[04:20] <wgrant> StevenK: Denorming a column does, yes.
[04:20] <wgrant> We need to populate it.
[04:24] <wgrant> Resolving the message sharing performance debacle is probably a much more difficult matter, but we'll see
[04:24] <wgrant> I'm reasonably convinced that the feature was primarily designed to make me cry years later.
[04:25] <StevenK> Haha
[04:25] <StevenK> Given TM is a 6GiB table, we should only rewrite it once, yes.
[04:34] <wgrant> A statement count of 328 doesn't seem too bad until you realise that the page only shows 10 items and times out before it's done half the queries.
[04:36] <StevenK> Hah
[04:36] <StevenK> wgrant: I wonder if we want tmpreaper for ackee and loganberry to combat bug 881255 ?
[04:36] <_mup_> Bug #881255: bzr-limbo-?????? and gpg-?????? in /tmp is not being cleaned up and taking up a lot of space <canonical-losa-lp> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/881255 >
[04:37] <wgrant> StevenK: Combat? Conceal.
[04:38] <StevenK> Conceal works too
[05:15] <StevenK> wgrant: Hmmmm
[05:15] <wgrant> The failure?
[05:15] <StevenK> wgrant: Deleting publications does not set scheduleddeletiondate, so the sources turn up in the view again
[05:16] <wgrant> StevenK: Bah, yes.
[05:16] <wgrant> Damn
[05:16] <wgrant> Although that's probably not necessarily a huge problem
[05:16] <wgrant> Except for tests.
[05:16] <StevenK> It will get set by the publisher?
[05:16] <wgrant> It'll show the status correctly.
[05:16] <wgrant> Yes
[05:17] <wgrant> It's done during domination.
[05:18] <StevenK> It will show the status correctly, but there is probably nothing stopping users from selecting a DELETED publication and trying to do so again and then getting a OOPS
[05:18] <wgrant> It shouldn't oops
[05:19] <StevenK> Hm, indeed
[05:19] <wgrant> Recall that we show them when they have published binaries exactly so that an already deleted source can be deleted again
[05:20] <StevenK> I thought I saw an assert for !DELETED
[05:20] <StevenK> But I can't see one
[05:20] <StevenK> wgrant: I think the easiest thing for the tests is to set scheduleddeletiondate
[05:21] <wgrant> Depends on what the test wants to achieve
[05:21] <wgrant> But probably, yes.
[05:21] <StevenK> archive-views.txt is checking a double POST
[05:22] <StevenK> We can probably just destroy the view.has_sources_for_display check


[00:01] <tormod> (I love that Firefox tells me it is an OLD file.)
[00:04] <tormod> virtuald: would you mind reporting it on bugs.freedesktop.org ?
[00:05] <tormod> virtuald: you should try to get a "full backtrace", see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing
[00:10] <virtuald> i really should sleep
[01:01] <virtuald> lets try something
[02:30] <virtuald> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21535
[14:13] <mnemo> bryce: ping?
[19:11] <mnemo> is this supposed to work or am I doing something wrong? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/371774
[19:22] <Duke`> I have the same issue
[19:23] <Duke`> but I read somewhere that there was some things to setup with kernel modules before it could work
[19:23] <mnemo> ah, can you try to find the url again?
[19:23] <mnemo> i really would like to try out kms
[19:26] <Sarvatt> debian fixed that in initramfs-tools
[19:26] <Sarvatt> if you're building your own kernel, just enable KMS by default and boot with nomodeset when you dont want to use it
[19:27] <Duke`> mnemo: I searched about it few days ago, and I don't really remember, but it has to do with initramfs yes
[19:27] <Sarvatt> it works fine on the ubuntu 2.6.30-2-3-generic just by adding options i915 modeset=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/whatever.conf
[19:27] <Duke`> Sarvatt: or by adding i915.modeset=1 to kernel parameter line, in grub/menu.lst?
[19:28] <Sarvatt> no that doesnt work until initramfs-tools gets updated..
[19:28] <Sarvatt> at least for me
[19:28] <mnemo> Sarvatt: so how can I try it today on ubuntu?
[19:30] <Sarvatt> install 2.6.30-2-3, sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf
[19:30] <Sarvatt> options i915 modeset=1
[19:30] <Sarvatt> put that in it, and reboot
[19:31] <mnemo> Sarvatt: thanks man
[19:31] <Sarvatt> or you can just build KMS by default in your own kernel
[19:31] <Sarvatt> and if you dont want to use it for some reason boot with nomodeset on the grub command line
[19:32] <mnemo> i also found this --> http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
[19:32] <mnemo> would it be sufficient to run this:
[19:32] <mnemo> update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u
[19:32] <mnemo> or do I need a new kernel for sure?
[19:32] <Sarvatt> that just rebuilds an initramfs..
[19:32] <mnemo> ok
[19:33] <Sarvatt> ah sorry just opened it up
[19:33] <Sarvatt> I'm pretty sure that requires the updated initramfs-tools
[19:34] <mnemo> ok, well I guess they have that in debian then
[19:34] <Sarvatt> http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=summary
[19:34] <Sarvatt> we're on 0.92
[19:35] <mnemo> right and we need this commit? --> http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=commit;h=652423c6f5b636f95899254aba213d417caff158
[19:38] <Sarvatt> dont think thats it, have you tried whats on that wiki? that might end up working without any updates
[19:39] <mnemo> i'll try it
[19:39] <Sarvatt> it didnt work for me last i tried it but that was in jaunary, i've been enabling KMS by default every kernel since
[19:43] <mnemo> well it sort of worked actually
[19:43] <mnemo> it brings up gdm and X in 4:3 on my widescreen
[19:44] <mnemo> if I vt switch to F1 then I get graphics corruption
[19:44] <mnemo> then if I go back to CTRL-ALT-F7 it goes back to normal again
[19:47] <Sarvatt> ah nice, sorry about that, i saw the update in initramfs-tools but didnt actually read what it did lol
[19:47] <Sarvatt> well not nice you get VT corruption
[19:48] <Sarvatt> what intel packages are you using?
[19:48] <mnemo> x-updates
[19:48] <Sarvatt> try xorg-edgers, there were a bunch of fixes for that since 2.7.0
[19:48] <mnemo> ah good idea
[19:53] <Sarvatt> get the drm too if you arent adding the repo, one of the post 2.4.9 libdrm updates was related to VT corruption
[19:53] <mnemo> ok
[19:56] <Sarvatt> the latest libdrm/mesa/-intel stack on edgers is a real winner for me, i havent been able to use UXA stable since december until 3 days ago
[19:59] <mnemo> in jaunty final UXA is better than EXA for me (on G45)... in EXA glxgears leaves repaint dirt when you move the window and also EXA is slower etc
[20:00] <mnemo> Sarvatt: whats the difference between drm-snapshot "2.4.9+git20090502.68103b27-0ubuntu0sarvatt" and the one with "r1" in the version number?
[20:01] <mnemo> wait, one of them is for karmic...
[20:01] <mnemo> is that the only difference then?
[20:01] <Sarvatt> get the karmic one if you're on karmic, the jaunty one replaces linux-libc-dev drm headers because jaunty has old ones
[20:02] <mnemo> ok
[20:05] <Sarvatt> exa is 2x faster than UXA for me on a 945GME, theres no more EXA though now in intel drivers :( UXA used to crash whenever I used firefox or ran glxgears in the background of another app
[20:05] <Sarvatt> thats just glxgears speed though, actual 3d benchmarks arent that much different at all
[20:06] <Duke`> Sarvatt: but you fixed your problem with glxgears/firefox/UXA, right?
[20:06] <Sarvatt> yup!
[20:08] <Sarvatt> plus mesa 7.6 gets me 120fps more in glxgears in uxa vs 7.4.1, 7.4.x really was a dud lol
[20:09] <mnemo> nice
[20:14] <bryce> Sarvatt: glxgears?
[20:16] <Sarvatt> yeah I know, just swap buffer performance :D openarena went up 7 FPS too
[20:19] <bryce> ah, good
[20:20] <Sarvatt> the 120fps glxgears increase is a more than 50% increase for me is why I was saying its good
[20:34] <bryce> yeah, but even increases in glxgears numbers does not always correlate with better performance
[20:34] <bryce> and decreases don't always correlate with reduced performance
[20:34] <bryce> I should just disable the fps output of that command
[20:34] <mnemo> we should give people a real benchmarking tool which is as easy to use as glxgears
[20:35]  * bryce nods
[20:35] <bryce> I would think games would be easy enough...
[20:38] <mnemo> different commands to enable FPS printing in different games... also different levels have different complexity etc so its less comparable...
[20:38] <bryce> true
[20:38] <mnemo> it should be super repeatable... and it should have windows version so we can benchmark against that later on
[20:38] <bryce> phoronix?
[20:38] <bryce> what's 'windows'?
[20:39] <mnemo> I mean we should benchmark our progress compared to Windows 7 drivers etc
[20:39] <mnemo> the target needs to be to beat them of course
[20:40] <mnemo> phoronix is a good step forward, but I'd like something simpler, more repeatable still..
[20:41] <mnemo> Sarvatt: vt switch gives me corruption on 2.6.99 as well :( and I did the full xorg-egers so I got the libdrm fix as well I guess
[20:46] <Sarvatt> dang, was worth a shot at least.
[20:46] <albert23> mnemo: do you have the fbcon module loaded?
[20:47] <mnemo> albert23: no why do you wonder? I got these loaded --> http://pastebin.com/f6c4707c7
[20:47] <albert23> mnemo: then make sure to load fbcon
[20:48] <mnemo> ok thanks I will try it
[20:52] <bryce> uff, heh, just ran into another report of performance change evidenced only by glxgears numbers
[20:53] <bryce> k, that's gotta go.
[20:59] <bryce> gone
[21:01] <bryce> heya michaellarabel
[21:01] <michaellarabel> Hi bryce
[21:10] <mnemo> i threw in fbcon in /etc/modules now and it works... I get a KMS vt on CTRL-ALT-F1 ... however, a few seconds after that xorg SEGV'd --> http://pastebin.com/m72073d94
[21:11] <bryce> mnemo: dunno, a full backtrace would be more interesting
[21:12] <bryce> not sure what aperture space is, but sounds like it doesn't have enough of it or something
[21:12] <mnemo> aperture is the memory that intel shares with the CPU i think
[21:13] <mnemo> anyway, I will see if I can repro this and file a good bug on it
[21:13] <bryce> thanks
[21:13] <mnemo> bryce: it would be neat with an official guide on how to test KMS on ubuntu... right now I felt like I did some stuff without really understanding what I was doing... so im not entirely sure its "supposed" to work on this config
[21:13] <bryce> mnemo: btw, I notice a lot of people use ppracer as a second choice for fps measurements... think that's more sane?
[21:14] <bryce> maybe we could just recommend that to everyone, to get more consistent measurements
[21:14] <mnemo> bryce: oh, i've never tried that.. sounds better than glxgears though
[21:14] <mnemo> yea
[21:14] <bryce> mnemo: yes, that's a really good idea, would you be willing to help me draft it?
[21:14] <tormod> yey -ati finally has exa by default upstream!
[21:14] <mnemo> bryce: sure.. I will post it mailing list later
[21:15] <bryce> ok cool, I'll figure out a good spot in the wiki to put it
[21:16] <tormod> ppracer? I tried etracer and it was much slower - I guess it uses more features
[21:18] <bryce> what's etracer?
[21:19] <bryce> ultimately I suspect we may really need multiple tools that exercise different aspects of performance
[21:19] <bryce> but coding such a thing is well beyond my time availability
[21:19] <jcristau> "when you're bored with ppracer, use OA"
[21:21] <mnemo> "[note: this is an automated message] dear bug reporter, please collect 10 fish in tuxracer and then attach your xorg.log to this bug report. thank you."
[21:22] <bryce> :-)
[21:23] <tormod> etracer = extreme tux racer, next generation of planet penguin racer
[21:23] <tormod> I think ppracer has stalled, and only etracer is worked on
[21:23] <bryce> wonder if it'd be feasible to automate the 10 fish collection
[21:23] <mnemo> :)
[21:23] <bryce> does ppracer have a benchmark mode?  I know some games have that, and it'd make results more comparable
[21:24] <bryce> tormod: actually that's good... if we're going to use it for benchmarking we don't want the fps to improve just because of game code changes
[21:25] <tormod> bryce: true. just that etracer makes the driver/card work harder (I think)
[21:36] <michaellarabel> bryce: ppracer isn't much of a good test since it will not build on x86_64 and has other problems
[21:38] <jcristau> not build on x86_64?
[21:38] <michaellarabel> IIRC, the last released version of ppracer will not build on x86_64 or had other x86_64 issues.
[21:39] <jcristau> sounds fixable..
[21:39] <michaellarabel> true, though etracer seems to replace ppracer and that has proper x86_64 support.
[21:50] <bryce> hmm, I was able to install and launch it on amd64
[21:50] <bryce> although I wouldn't say it worked.  also messed up dual-head.  but it played music and stuff
[21:51] <jcristau> libsdl probably talks xf86vidmode, which doesn't quite like randr.
[21:52] <bryce> someone really ought to fix that ;-)
[21:53] <michaellarabel> World of Padman is one of my favorite tests that uses ioquake3 and works with the current Mesa stack.
[21:53] <bryce> michaellarabel: short of phoronix, do you know of a simple glxgears-class tool/game/test people could run?
[21:54] <pwnguin> bryce: what are you looking to indicate?
[21:54] <pwnguin> relative 3d performance?
[21:54] <pwnguin> or just the presence of accelleration at all?
[21:54] <michaellarabel> There's lots of good ones... On Jaunty you can just do: sudo apt-get install phoronix-test-suite and experiment :) say then, phoronix-test-suite benchmark ioquake3-games to see how well all of the different ioquake3 games run
[21:55] <bryce> pwnguin: relative 3d perf
[21:55] <pwnguin> ioquake3 is at least a close approximation of modern games usage
[21:55] <pwnguin> ie, has textures
[21:55] <pwnguin> and geometry
[21:55] <Sarvatt> something short would probably be good, darn openarena benchmark takes a good 10 minutes per run
[21:56] <bryce> yeah, I imagine the users we need to convert have an attention span of maybe 30 sec
[21:56] <pwnguin> you'd be surprised
[21:57] <pwnguin> windows gamers slave over framerates
[21:57] <Sarvatt> well it runs 3 times by default in phoronix so it adds up :D
[21:57] <bryce> ok, certainly they're obsessive...
[21:57] <michaellarabel> Sarvatt: It runs multiple times in PTS for accuracy
[21:57] <pwnguin> 3dmark takes easily 10 minutes
[22:01] <michaellarabel> Unigine Tropics is beautiful, but good luck getting that to work with Mesa.
[23:14] <virtuald> note to self: monitors didn't wake standby, gdm showed flying donuts after reboot
[23:31] <wgrant> jcristau: Did you notice that the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics source was auto-decrufted from unstable a week after you uploaded it?
[23:31] <jcristau> wgrant: i didn't, but dato did. there's an ftp.d.o bug about that.
[23:32] <jcristau> bugs.debian.org/526078
[23:32] <wgrant> jcristau: Thanks. That had me very confused for a while.
[23:33]  * jcristau just pinged that bug
[23:33] <jcristau> thanks for the reminder :)
[23:33] <wgrant> jcristau: I'm glad you finally did the rename.
[23:35] <jcristau> we just got xf86-video-omapfb to compensate for taht
[23:35] <jcristau> that, even
[23:36] <wgrant> Heh.


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[01:32] <xor> sombody knows where i can search the package for one mobile samsung sch-l310 ??? thanks ind advandce


[00:17] <yofel> Riddell: kde4libs mav list-missing output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537284/ is that ok?
[00:17] <Riddell> yofel: yes should be fine
[00:17] <Riddell> wasn't _Groo_ doing kde4libs?
[00:18] <yofel> we settled with me doing it
[00:19] <maco> mum wants to go out to dinner. what country's food should we go for?
[00:21] <Riddell> maco: Western Sahara
[00:21] <maco> uhh...lets try a different continent
[00:21] <maco> (we had ethiopian last night)
[00:22] <apachelogger> australian
[00:23] <yofel> that sounds like grilled crocodile
[00:23] <bulldog98> austrian
[00:23] <bulldog98> ^^
[00:23] <Riddell> French Guyana
[00:24] <maco> Riddell: i'm not in dc. gotta get more mainstream ethnicities
[00:24] <maco> ooooh *lightbulb*  i dont think she's had korean befoe
[00:24] <maco> *before
[00:29] <_Groo_> yofel: are you gonna leave the missing files out of the package?
[00:29] <_Groo_> yofel: or are you adding them?
[00:29] <yofel> I left them out
[00:29] <_Groo_> yofel: the lib and service ones are needed
[00:30] <_Groo_> only the man ones can be kept out
[00:30] <_Groo_> yofel: if you leave them out, menus and stuff wont work, ssl also and prolly some other stuff
[00:30] <_Groo_> yofel: not good :D
[00:31] <yofel> let me check something
[00:31] <_Groo_> yofel: Riddell is a masoquist, he looves to make poor users suffer... look what he did to the poor bot!
[00:32] <yofel> _Groo_: that's list-missing being confused it seems, the file is installed, just not at the same place - usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so ends up as /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kded4.so
[00:32] <_Groo_> yofel: actually a sadist, i confused the terms lol
[00:32] <Riddell> yofel: we have a patch from debian that moves those libkdeinit files
[00:33] <_Groo_> yofel: the kde init is correct
[00:33] <_Groo_> no wait
[00:33] <Riddell> the kcm_ssl isn't packaged because it's in the wrong place, I told upstream and he'll move it
[00:33] <yofel> Riddell: ok
[00:33] <_Groo_> the /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kded4.so is wrong
[00:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: cant we move it and remove the patch after upstream fixes it?
[00:35] <_Groo_> yofel: although i just checked and in maverick that path works too /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/
[00:35] <Riddell> _Groo_: why is it wrong?
[00:35] <_Groo_> we have a butt load of stuff there
[00:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: in maverick we have /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so
[00:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: but we have lots of libs in /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/
[00:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: i guess both are right?
[00:36] <Riddell> that's fine in 4.6 packaging
[00:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah my mistake, just check it :)
[00:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: it will work for 4.5 aparently too
[00:38] <Riddell> wouldn't matter anyway, it can fall back to just launching it directly
[00:45] <apachelogger> blog blog blog
[00:45] <apachelogger> oh my
[00:46] <apachelogger> it is alrady 1:45
[00:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: quick, move to scotland, it's a sociable hour here still
[00:48] <apachelogger> hm
[00:49] <apachelogger> I did not testdrive my spaceship yet
[00:49] <apachelogger> flying it to an isle is a bit of a dangerous thing WRTT
[00:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: fortunately scotland isn't an island, we have some other country stuck on to the south
[00:50] <apachelogger> well, but altogether... :P
[00:51] <apachelogger> hm
[00:51] <apachelogger> my phonon post was 4 days ago
[00:51]  * apachelogger wonders if that is sufficient time to post new ramblings
[00:52]  * bulldog98 is interested in
[00:52] <bulldog98> and has time :)
[00:53] <apachelogger> to me that sounds like you are volunteering for proofreading
[00:53] <apachelogger> anyone else?
[00:53] <_Groo_> freenode died on me :P
[00:54] <claydoh> apachelogger: looking at it now, not bad overall, but haven't bugin nit-picking :)
[00:54] <apachelogger> claydoh: I wrote another post meanwhile ;)
[00:54] <claydoh> what is a nit, and why should it be picked????
[00:54] <_Groo_> yofel: when you are done with kde4libs and its published what are you gonna do next?
[00:54] <valorie> it's a lice egg
[00:54] <valorie> and should be picked so it doesn't hatch
[00:54] <apachelogger> kubotu: smart-arse alarm
[00:54] <apachelogger> :P
[00:54] <valorie> ::shudder::
[00:55] <_Groo_> lol
[00:55] <yofel> _Groo_: I've got something to take care of, can you do what's next? (meta-kde I think)
[00:56] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah np, ill go for meta and kdebase packages
[00:56] <_Groo_> its getting late here but i should be able to do it tonight
[00:56] <_Groo_> yofel: are you gonna work tomorrow on this?
[00:56] <yofel> yes
[00:56] <_Groo_> yofel: k ill try to help out too :)
[00:56] <_Groo_> so im going for meta and kdebase*
[00:57] <_Groo_> or its better to do kdepimlibs first?
[00:58] <yofel> _Groo_: I looked at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[01:00] <_Groo_> yofel: let me check
[01:00]  * apachelogger dances with valorie to the overture of "phantom of kubuntu"
[01:00] <apachelogger> erm
[01:00] <apachelogger> of the opera of course
[01:00] <apachelogger> ^^
[01:01] <apachelogger> valorie: got time to read through a short blog post?
[01:01] <valorie> certainly
[01:01] <valorie> link?
[01:02] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah meta and then kdepimlibs
[01:02] <_Groo_> nice graph btw, but the arrows are backwards lol :D
[01:03] <_Groo_> brb
[01:03]  * bulldog98 is building kdepim and reached 60%
[01:05]  * apachelogger starts singing
[01:06] <apachelogger> I should really have gone into that sort of thing
[01:06] <apachelogger> not stupid computers
[01:06] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you wouldn’t be the first computer guy that’s good in singing
[01:07] <bulldog98> s/that’s/who’s/
[01:07] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "apachelogger: you wouldn’t be the first computer guy who’s good in singing"
[01:07]  * bulldog98 hugs kubotu for being such a clever bot
[01:08] <bulldog98> bot should hug back
[01:09] <Riddell> s/hug/snog/
[01:09] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[01:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: :)
[01:12] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/kubuntu-shortcuts/
[01:12] <apachelogger> snogging!
[01:15] <Riddell> snogs rule
[01:17] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWM2joNb9NE
[01:17] <apachelogger> ok
[01:17] <apachelogger> that
[01:17] <apachelogger> is
[01:17] <apachelogger> scary
[01:18] <apachelogger> and ludicrous
[01:18] <apachelogger> the dude is mostly scary
[01:18] <apachelogger> the song mostly ludicrous
[01:25] <_Groo_> bblater...
[01:25] <_Groo_> if kdelibs takes too long to build i dont know if ill be able to to packages today.. its almost midnight around here
[01:25] <_Groo_> anyway, ill check in an hour or so
[01:26]  * bulldog98 needs to sleep and will hopefully finish kdepim the afternoon
[01:26] <Riddell> night bulldog98
[01:26] <Riddell> sleep well
[01:26] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll sleep and I don’t know if I’ll wake up again :)
[01:29] <Riddell> well I think I can start uploading bits to natty
[01:40] <Riddell> evening jjesse
[02:46] <Riddell> morning hunger
[02:47] <jjesse> evening
[03:56] <al> apachelogger: i find opensearchdescription as implemented by google chrome more convenient than predefined web shortcuts with arbitrary keywords
[06:27] <valorie> tazz, did you ever get your taglib/asf problem ironed out?
[06:28] <tazz> haha, valorie no not really...
[06:29] <tazz> it seems like i have taglib compiled with asf support but for some reason amarok wont find it.
[06:30] <valorie> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=81849&start=10#p130680
[06:30] <valorie> just looked it up for someone else
[06:31]  * tazz reads
[06:53] <tazz> nope didnt work...
[06:54] <tazz> i think it could be something i am doing wrong. Or maybe there is a problem with my KDE trunk is not setup properly.
[06:55] <tazz> thanks for pinging me with the thread though. :)
[06:57] <valorie> how are you building Amarok?
[06:57] <valorie> following Myriam's guide?
[06:57] <valorie> http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/
[06:58] <valorie> I'm not technical, and yet I build, following that guide
[06:58] <valorie> exactly
[06:59] <tazz> valorie, i am not just building amarok. but entire kde trunk i am using http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[06:59] <valorie> ok
[06:59] <valorie> I couldn't begin to do that, I don't think
[07:00] <tazz> valorie, its much much simpler i think than http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/
[07:00] <tazz> valorie, if you need help i can help you build other stuff in kde :)
[07:01] <tazz> annma and lemma need people with trunk for http://dot.kde.org/2010/11/26/week-post-beta-bug-squashing
[07:02] <tazz> they can also help you out too if needed
[07:05] <valorie> right now I have only one computer
[07:05] <valorie> and I'm totally full of things to do
[07:06] <valorie> maybe later, I can learn another new thing, and help in a new way
[07:06] <tazz> ^.^ any time you like
[07:06] <valorie> glad to hear it's less complicated than I think
[07:07] <tazz> i was able to compile KDE but i am having problem with amarok it proves compiling amarok is more tough :D
[07:08] <valorie> I hope that myriam's blog might help
[07:08] <valorie> it's very thorough
[07:08] <valorie> she updates it all the time
[07:08] <tazz> valorie, i have it bookmarked ;)
[07:08] <valorie> cool
[07:17] <valorie> well, reading again through the TechBase page, it is much more involved than building Amarok
[07:17] <valorie> I guess it depends on what one is used to
[07:17] <valorie> I had #amarok folks holding my hand during my first few attempts
[09:49] <hunger> Riddell: Morning!
[10:40] <apachelogger> al: yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but the problem with those buggers is that one needs to create them and that they by default have way too long triggers
[10:40]  * apachelogger would like to have that added into the shortcut magic though
[11:05] <sheytan_> Heey :)
[11:05] <sheytan_> a crazy idea
[11:06] <sheytan_> if we can have apt:// on web pages to install stuff, can we have one to add ppa, too? :D
[11:06] <sheytan_> imagine how easier that would be for new users :D
[11:09] <Riddell> sheytan_: they deliberately avoid that because it would make it easy to convince users to install random software which could lead to viruses etc
[11:10] <Riddell> it's a shame for users, but there's a balance between convenience and security
[11:18] <yofel> morning
[11:38] <yofel> heh, 4.5.80 isn't even fully built for natty and I already get 2 overwrite errors
[11:39] <Riddell> yofel: what are the errors?
[11:40] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-theme-window_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:40] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/kde2.desktop', which is also in package kde-window-manager 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3
[11:40] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:40] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kwin_quartz_config.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3
[11:41] <Riddell> mm yes, right enough
[12:46] <sheytan_> Riddell well, yes. You're right
[12:46] <sheytan_> Riddell btw, what's going on with the daily builds page we made? :)
[12:46] <sheytan_> Is it alive now?
[13:40] <ggeorgy> hi can you help me to install a linux program please ?thks!
[13:41] <ggeorgy> a zip package
[13:42] <yofel> ggeorgy: this channel isn't for support, please ask in #kubuntu
[13:43] <ggeorgy> ok
[14:10] <yofel> Riddell: what happend to kdegames? packaging page says it's in ninjas, but it's not (or I'm blind)
[15:10] <al> apachelogger: chrome adds them automatically and allows them to be tab completed ;)
[15:13] <al> interestingly almost none of the ubuntu/launchpad pages seem to support opensearch
[15:13] <al> what a shame
[15:13] <jussi> what is opensearch?
[15:14] <al> a meta information in the html of a website that tells the browser how it can be searched
[15:14] <al> http://opensearch.org
[15:15] <al> for example when i want to look for something on amazon i type "ama<tab>" in chromium's address bar
[15:15] <al> it then turns into a search box where i enter my query
[15:15] <al> and i'm directly taken to the search results
[15:16] <al> and you don't need to set anything up for this to work
[15:16] <al> you just need to visit the page once
[15:16] <al> for the browser to pick up the opensearchdescription tag
[15:18] <jussi> cool
[15:20] <al> yea, almost can't live without it now
[15:34] <Riddell> sheytan_: sorry I haven't had time to look at it, I hope to do it before alpha 1 next week
[15:34] <Riddell> yofel: I've done kdegames, dunno why it didn't upload will look at that shortly
[15:35] <yofel> Riddell: k, did you look at the overwrite errors or should I try to add the conflicts?
[15:36] <Riddell> yofel: if you want to add them that would be good
[15:36] <Riddell> give me a diff against bzr or a branch to merge
[15:37] <yofel> I'll do a merge request then
[15:37] <yofel> Riddell: the branch is lp:~kubuntu-memebers/kdeartwork/ubuntu right?
[15:41] <Riddell> yofel: yes
[15:42] <yofel> can I use '<< 4:4.5.80' as the version?
[15:42] <Riddell> yes
[15:43] <yofel> k, thanks
[15:43] <jussi> argh, I hate it when apps dont get that fullscreen does not mean "stretch it across both my screens"...
[16:11] <Riddell> steveire_: bug 601662 reopened incase you're interested in our beurocracy
[16:17] <yofel> Riddell: does this look right? https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4580u2/+merge/42051
[16:23] <Riddell> yofel: looks good
[16:54] <CIA-6> [muon] jmthomas * 1201775 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationBackend.cpp ApplicationBackend.h) Remove the transaction if an error occurs
[18:13] <bulldog98> Riddell: in kdepim there is new mobile stuff, should I add packages for that? and what to put into them?
[18:15] <Riddell> bulldog98: doesn't that only get build if you add the flag to cmake?
[18:16] <bulldog98> Riddell: I hadn’t added a flag it was build with the 4.4.7 confs in debian
[18:16] <Riddell> bulldog98: well yes we would like it packaged
[18:16] <Riddell> needs a new package (or more maybe)
[18:17] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’d say one per executable
[18:18] <Riddell> if the executables are separate user applications yes
[18:19] <Riddell> one per usr/share/applications/kde4/*desktop menu entry might be a good judge
[18:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: is an metapackage appropriate to install the whole mobile stuff?
[18:27] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes I would think so
[18:27] <bulldog98> ok
[19:43] <yofel> hm... what does lintian "dbg-package-missing-depends kdewebdev-dbg" mean again? getting that for kdewebdev
[19:46] <ari-tczew> yofel: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dbg-package-missing-depends.html
[19:47] <yofel> ari-tczew: thanks
[19:48] <ari-tczew> yofel: google doesn't bite
[19:49] <yofel> agreed...
[19:52] <jefferai> shadeslayer: see PM
[20:52] <yofel> Riddell: kdegames for maverick fails with cdbs too old since:
[20:52] <yofel>   * Add DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS = -Xblue.svg for invalid SVG file
[20:52] <yofel>   * Build-dep on cdbs 0.4.89ubuntu4 for the above
[20:52] <yofel> would it be safe to backport cdbs or should that be done differently?
[20:53] <apachelogger> kubotu: order backport
[20:53]  * kubotu slides backport down the bar to apachelogger
[20:54]  * apachelogger hands backport to yofel
[20:54]  * yofel accepts backport and get's to work
[20:54] <apachelogger> yofel: cdbs must be fully backwards compatible, so backport is a save bet there
[20:54] <apachelogger> otherwise some poor fella would have to migrate cdbs package once an incompatible change occurs :)
[20:54] <apachelogger> s/package/packages
[20:55] <yofel> makes sense :)
[20:55] <apachelogger> as in: all of them
[20:55] <apachelogger> that is like a billion billion packages
[20:55] <Riddell> yofel: you should be able to remove that DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS line now
[20:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: that will be reappaering work though
[20:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: what will?
[20:55] <apachelogger> the removal
[20:55] <apachelogger> unless you remove it in natty
[20:55] <apachelogger> of course :)
[20:56] <Riddell> it can be removed in natty too
[20:56] <apachelogger> fair enough then
[20:56] <Riddell> dh_scour now fails quietly rather than breaking everything
[20:56] <yofel> even in maverick?
[20:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: in maverick too?
[20:57]  * apachelogger needs to get a tenth doctor coat
[20:57]  * yofel just tries it
[20:57] <apachelogger> kubotu: google brown wool trench coat
[20:57] <kubotu> Results for brown wool trench coat: 1. Doctor Who Brown Wool Costume Trench Coat: http://www.hellocosplay.com/doctor-who-brown-wool-costume-trench-coat-p-456.html
[20:57] <kubotu> 2. Miss Sixty Women's Wool Top Stich Trench Coat With Knit Trim ( ...: http://www.overstock.com/Clothing-Shoes/Miss-Sixty-Womens-Wool-Top-Stich-Trench-Coat-With-Knit-Trim/4862970/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&mr:trackingCode=807A163C-52C1-DF11-98FF-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA
[20:57] <kubotu> 3. Polo Ralph Lauren Mens Leather Wool Vintage Distressed Trench ...: http://www.amazon.com/Polo-Ralph-Lauren-Leather-Distressed/dp/B003WZ20Z8
[20:57] <apachelogger> ha!
[20:57] <apachelogger> <3 google
[20:58] <apachelogger> oh oh oh http://www.hellocosplay.com/black-grey-5-captain-jack-harkness-wool-trench-coat-p-2079.html
[20:59] <DarkwingDuck> I could see you in that.
[20:59] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:59] <apachelogger> though I'd need proper boots with that
[20:59]  * apachelogger is not much of a boot person
[20:59] <apachelogger> other than the infamous kick boots, then again I misplaced them anyway... ^^
[21:00] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.kohls.com/upgrade/webstore/product_page.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524892544353&pfx=pfx_shopcompare&cid=shopping3&mr:trackingCode=8AA63EB3-76B7-DE11-93DB-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA
[21:01] <DarkwingDuck> There you go apachelogger
[21:01] <apachelogger> them are not proper boots!
[21:01] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[21:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: dunno in maverick, hope so
[21:02] <DarkwingDuck> hey Riddell
[21:02] <yofel> we'll know in a few minutes
[21:02] <Riddell> evening DarkwingDuck
[21:02] <apachelogger> if it breaks we could just blame DarkwingDuck
[21:02] <yofel> haha
[21:02] <jussi> we just blame him anywhere
[21:03] <apachelogger> I thought we blamed nixternal on general principle?
[21:04] <DarkwingDuck> I thought nixternal was teaching me to replace him? :P:P
[21:04] <jussi> yeah, DarkwingDuck is his minion...
[21:04] <apachelogger> oh
[21:04] <DarkwingDuck> Speaking of... every time I make a change to that damned PERL script it breaks
[21:04] <apachelogger> makes sense to forward the blame immediately then
[21:04] <apachelogger> would happen anyway
[21:04] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: nixternal is a perl script?
[21:05] <DarkwingDuck> No
[21:05] <apachelogger> python?
[21:05] <jussi> ruby
[21:05] <DarkwingDuck> kdesrcbuild
[21:05] <apachelogger> oh
[21:05]  * apachelogger is going to redo kdesrcbuild in make
[21:05] <apachelogger> muhahahaa
[21:06] <DarkwingDuck> who ever wrote it hacked it together and it's highly breakable
[21:06] <apachelogger> no, really I am going to bash it, otherwise I will once again be the only person to understand the code :(
[21:07] <DarkwingDuck> da
[21:08]  * apachelogger fires up his spaceship's engines
[21:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I'll be at your place in a bit
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[21:08] <bulldog98> apachelogger: be carefull to not hit an satellit
[21:09] <apachelogger> now that is silly, why would I hit a satellite?
[21:09] <apachelogger> the chances are much bigger to bump into a cloaked ship
[21:10] <apachelogger> them stupid andromedians always park the ships with the cloak on
[21:10] <bulldog98> :)
[21:10] <apachelogger> caused one awful series of accidents at the last inter-galactic math games
[21:11]  * DarkwingDuck shakes head
[21:12] <jjesse> ????
[21:12] <apachelogger> that is when one moves the head from one side to the other and back again, also can be repeated
[21:12] <DarkwingDuck> im gonna give up on perl
[21:12] <apachelogger> ha!
[21:12] <apachelogger> :D
[21:12] <apachelogger> haha :D
[21:13] <apachelogger> win
[21:13] <apachelogger> hooray
[21:13] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:13]  * apachelogger starts dancing on a rainbow
[21:13] <DarkwingDuck> Now... do I learn Python or C++...
[21:13] <apachelogger> pyth0rn!
[21:13] <jussi> both :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: google python eats gator
[21:13] <kubotu> Results for python eats gator: 1. Photo in the News: Python Bursts After Eating Gator (Update): http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html | 2. Gator-guzzling python comes to messy end - Technology & science ...: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600151/ns/technology_and_science-science
[21:13] <kubotu> 3. myLot - Python eats Alligator in Florida's Everglades: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/444874.aspx
[21:14] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[21:15] <DarkwingDuck> I think Python wind
[21:15] <DarkwingDuck> *Wins
[21:15] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[21:16] <DarkwingDuck> nawww kidding
[21:16] <DarkwingDuck> ill keep perl
[21:16] <DarkwingDuck> and ill learn packaging
[21:17] <cpatrick2008> does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be through packaging and be available to download
[21:18] <yofel> cpatrick2008: it's partly uploaded to natty, maverick is still work in progress
[21:18] <cpatrick2008> ok thanks
[21:26] <yofel> Riddell: it built fine after removing DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS - and .pyc files are missing on purpose I guess? http://paste.ubuntu.com/537606/
[21:33] <Riddell> yofel: right we don't install .pyc files
[21:36] <yofel> good, uploading
[21:45] <yofel> Riddell: I removed myself from kdegraphics, I don't have anymore time today and it fails with some gensymbols error like in natty (amd64 here)
[21:48] <Riddell> yofel: oh we've had a couple of those, different symbols on amd64 and i386
[21:55] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, python
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[22:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: do local builds on amd64 even build arch:all packages?
[22:09] <apachelogger> mhhh
[22:09] <apachelogger> kwin coding style :D
[22:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes should do
[22:24] <apachelogger> k
[22:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: kdepim beta will need an other day (tomorrow I‘ll have little time)
[22:48] <Riddell> bulldog98: fair enough
[22:48] <bulldog98> Riddell: but I’m close to solve it
[22:48] <Riddell> great
[22:49]  * bulldog98 hadn’t thought about adding -nc if a build failed only due .install misstakes
[22:49] <Riddell> for that you want  dh_install --list-missing
[22:49] <Riddell> just run that after each .install file edit
[22:51] <bulldog98> Riddell: the problem was there were files in .install that were gone
[22:51] <bulldog98> s/gone/dropped by Upstream/
[22:51] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "Riddell: the problem was there were files in .install that were dropped by Upstream"
[22:58] <Riddell> yes, so you have to edit the .install files then run  dh_install --list-missing to find the next problem
[23:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: yeh that’s right and that was the way I wanted to go
[23:23] <Riddell> bulldog98: so what's the problem? :)


[18:29] <qwebirc12226> What is the most popular / easiest to setup hardware for remotes these days?  I do have a serial port IR receiver and a harmony one I"d like to use, either that or buy a usb receiver...  Just looking for recomendations
[18:57] <exothermc> If I have a barebones command line only install of ubuntu, can I simply add some more sources, and apt-get install the final system?
[19:04] <Shadow__X> qwebirc12226: i would checkout mythtv wiki
[19:04] <Shadow__X> qwebirc12226: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Remote_Controls
[19:04] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Category:Remote Controls - MythTV Official Wiki
[19:04] <Shadow__X> exothermc: to setup myth backend you need X
[19:04] <Shadow__X> i think its supported through x tunneling but still you will need x
[19:07] <exothermc> Shadow__X: to set it up, or to install the needed packages?
[19:08] <exothermc> Shadow__X: I would assume the dependencies would bring X in as needed.
[19:12] <Shadow__X> well, it should be a dependency so itll instal it but you also need to set it up
[19:13] <exothermc> right so back to my initial question about sources and what package to install?
[19:23] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, setup should be handled by debconf and/or the packaging
[19:23] <tgm4883> exothermc, that would depend on what parts you want to install
[19:23] <tgm4883> if it's just the backend you want to install, and it's the only backend in  your network, then mythtv-backend-master
[19:26] <exothermc> tgm4883: and the sources are where?
[19:26] <tgm4883> exothermc, it's in the official ubuntu repos, although we usually recommend people update using the repos at https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.25
[19:26] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] 0.25 : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[20:11] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: i should of been more specific i meant you still need X running to be able to run mythtv-setup
[20:18] <exothermc> Shadow__X: Thanks, but nothing at all to do with what I was asking.
[23:25] <n1md4> hello.  I've installed mythbuntu, and it's working well.  One thing, the scheduler is empty, just says unknown all over the place.
[23:26] <tgm4883> n1md4, do you have a guide data source?
[23:27] <n1md4> tgm4883: yes, from mythtv-setup -> video source setup -> I've got radiotimes (uk).
[23:28] <tgm4883> n1md4, hmm, IDK about radiotimes
[23:28] <tgm4883> n1md4, if that is actually giving you data, then it sounds like you need to put in the right XMLID for each channel
[23:29] <n1md4> There seems to be an issue with xmltv config.  mythtv-setup runs okay, but once i close and backend is restarted the xterm hangs at "XMLTV config file is: <path>"  and that's it.
[23:30] <n1md4> I've cancelled this in the past, have gone back, scanned for signals and watched away; but it was then that I had no listing.
[23:31] <n1md4> tv_grab_uk_rt just hogs 100% cpu
[23:52] <n1md4> Ah .... odd, seems to work now :\  ... not bad news, I guess.


[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <JoeyChan> Hi tmoenicke  :)
[09:16] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke       I still can't get Chinese words show up, can u help ?
[09:19] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: hi
[09:19] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: do you have the latest release?
[09:19] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   Morning
[09:20] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke    yep  r32
[09:20] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke    also built trunk into it
[09:21] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: do you have the pinyin layout, and it shows latin?
[09:22] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   yep
[09:22] <tmoenicke> is env showing everything correctly?
[09:23] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   "preditive" bar only shows English words
[09:23] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   I think so
[09:23] <JoeyChan> LANGUAGE=zh_CN
[09:23] <JoeyChan> LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8
[09:24] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   from command "env"
[09:24] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: what happens when you switch to English and back to Chinese, in the lang menu on the keyboard?
[09:26] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   switch language via  system-setting app ?
[09:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy French Toast Day! :-D
[09:26] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: nope
[09:26] <tmoenicke> in the keyboard
[09:27] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   the "earth" button at bottom left ?
[09:28] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   right of the "符号" button ?
[09:28] <tmoenicke> yes
[09:28] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   that button is inactive
[09:29] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke  nothing happen when I press it
[09:30] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   and that button looks like always in "pressed" status
[09:32] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: did you long press?
[09:32] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke  no..  try it now
[09:33] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke  I can c 3 options:  English  French   Spanish
[09:34] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   I c Chinese now !!
[09:34] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke        Thanks very much   \(^o^)/
[09:35] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke      seems  I just don't know how to use it  :P
[09:35] <tmoenicke> JoeyChan: and does it work now typing pinyin?
[09:36] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke  yep  :)
[09:36] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   I can type Chinese words now
[09:36] <tmoenicke> cool
[09:37] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   Sorry I bother u many times   :P
[09:39] <tmoenicke> no worries
[09:40] <JoeyChan> tmoenicke   Great thanks from all Chinese users   haha  :P
[09:51] <tmoenicke> :)
[14:55] <seb128> Kaleo, hey, question for you, ListItems got "icon:" deprecated "Use iconName or iconSource instead." ... that means you can't use a custom component as an icon anymore?
[14:56] <seb128> Kaleo, (we have code that uses "icon: Rectangle {...}"
[15:15] <Kaleo> seb128, yes
[15:15] <Kaleo> seb128, we discussed that a long time ago :)
[15:15] <Kaleo> seb128, I think we reached the conclusion that it should not be needed
[15:15] <seb128> Kaleo, what do you suggest doing instead?
[15:15] <Kaleo> seb128, we can rediscuss it
[15:16] <Kaleo> seb128, I need to see the exact use case
[15:18] <seb128> Kaleo, it's for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-keyboard-layouts.png
[15:18] <Kaleo> plugins/language/KeyboardLayouts.qml
[15:18] <Kaleo> I see
[15:18] <seb128> Kaleo, the keyboard layouts are basically a 2 letter label in a rectangle
[15:18] <seb128> Kaleo, I just opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1256017 about that btw
[15:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256017 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[language] Needs to stop using deprecated "icon"" [Undecided,New]
[15:19] <Kaleo> seb128, ok
[15:19] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:19] <attente> seb128, hi
[15:19] <seb128> attente, I'm discussing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1256017 with Kaleo
[15:19] <seb128> attente, (just hit that while porting u-s-s to the new icon properties, read the bug description for some context)
[15:20] <Kaleo> attente, disturbing nick :)
[15:20] <attente> hmm.. so we can no longer use an Item?
[15:20] <attente> Kaleo, hi :)
[15:20] <Kaleo> hi :)
[15:21] <attente> we can use a custom ListItem.Standard for the time being i suppose?
[15:21] <Kaleo> seb128, we did not break anything right?
[15:21] <seb128> Kaleo, no, you didn't
[15:21] <Kaleo> good
[15:21] <seb128> Kaleo, but the code is displaying deprecation warnings, so I guess we should do something about it ;-)
[15:22] <seb128> Kaleo, I'm just trying to figure out what's the right solution forward
[15:22] <seb128> attente, well, it's deprecated for Standard as well, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/revision/858/CHANGES
[15:22] <seb128> * DEPRECATED IN: ListItems.Standard: property variant icon
[15:23] <attente> oh. whoops, right
[15:23] <t1mp> seb128, attente the way it is now, you would need to create your own list item based on Empty to get the features that you want
[15:23] <Kaleo> seb128, attente, what t1mp said :)
[15:23] <Kaleo> t1mp, another thing we might do is to reintroduce the feature with a proper API (separate property)
[15:24] <seb128> Kaleo, oh, I'm lying, the toolkit update does make the UI stop working (well, it still loads, but the layouts icons stopped showing)
[15:25] <seb128> it's throwing those warnings
[15:25] <seb128> file:///usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/Standard.qml:252: Error: Cannot assign QObject* to QUrl
[15:25] <seb128> WARNING: ListItems.Standard.icon is DEPRECATED. Use iconName and iconSource instead.
[15:25] <seb128> shrug
[15:25] <Kaleo> seb128, that does not make sense
[15:25] <attente> ok, let's replace with a custom Empty then
[15:25] <Kaleo> seb128, icon is a variant
[15:25] <seb128> Kaleo, try yourself, "USS_SHOW_ALL_UI=1 system-settings"
[15:25] <seb128> click on language->keyboard
[15:25] <Kaleo> seb128, hang on
[15:26] <seb128> Kaleo, I downgraded the ui toolkit deb and it's working
[15:26] <t1mp> hmm. instead of basing it on Empty, you could base it on Base (subclass of Empty) to get a progression visual and text margins
[15:26] <Kaleo> seb128, ok
[15:26] <Kaleo> seb128, sorry about that
[15:26] <seb128> no worry, it's just a visual glitch
[15:26] <seb128> the UI is still usable
[15:26] <seb128> do you want a bug for it anyway?
[15:27] <Kaleo> seb128, sure
[15:31] <seb128> Kaleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1256024
[15:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256024 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ListItem "icon: Rectangle {}" stopped working since it got deprecated" [Undecided,New]
[15:32] <Kaleo> seb128, thanks
[15:32] <seb128> yw
[15:33] <Kaleo> seb128, attente, so do what t1mp is saying :)
[15:33] <seb128> Kaleo, t1mp: thanks for the suggestion (using a custom Empty)
[15:33] <seb128> or Base instead
[15:33] <seb128> attente, can you work on that?
[15:33] <attente> seb128, sure
[15:33] <seb128> attente, thanks
[15:33] <attente> seb128, but are checkboxes on the right or the left?
[15:34] <seb128> attente, on the right, the design image didn't get update but we agreed to just use the standard UI elements
[16:52] <elopio> boiko: this is now ready to merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/dialer-app/fix1250275-pyflakes/+merge/194776
[17:00] <labsin> I once saw a script to test click packages for submission that they use internally on the ubuntu-touch maillist but I can't seem to find it. Can someone help?
[17:02] <daker> labsin: here bzr branch lp:click-reviewers-tools (https://launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools)
[17:03] <labsin> daker, thanx
[17:13] <labsin> All checks passed and it's published :)
[17:14] <daker> labsin: congrats!
[17:15] <labsin> no, not yes published :D Pending review :) But the reviews seem to be fast
[17:18] <daker> labsin: maybe popey can review it for you
[17:18] <labsin> popey, could you? it's Falling Blocks (number 314)
[17:29] <popey> am going afk for a bit, will review when i get back in some hours, sorry labsin
[17:30] <labsin> popey, no problem
[17:31] <popey> bah
[17:31] <popey> I want to play that on the train
[17:31] <popey> so I have tested and approved it ☻
[17:32] <popey> right, afk now ☻
[17:32] <labsin> popey, thanks
[17:32] <labsin> let me know if you like it
[17:54] <boiko> elopio: nice! I will take it a look