[00:00] <r_rios> k1l_: it seems kwin has crashed
[00:00] <loa> is it possible to install ubuntu with windows uefi?
[00:00] <batfastad> Hi everyone. I'm looking to put a bridge on a bonded interface to be used by KVM guests. Does this /etc/network/interfaces look correct? https://gist.github.com/benbradley/3c85af363bc33e24f545
[00:00] <k1l_> OneM_Industries: http://askubuntu.com/questions/254826/how-to-force-a-clock-update-using-ntp
[00:00] <Bashing-om> Charcoal1ire: Ouch ... yeah !  My bad .
[00:00] <OneM_Industries> Thank you!
[00:01] <k1l_> OneM_Industries: i would prefer 2nd answer there
[00:01] <Charcoal1ire> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.org/13520549
[00:01] <newbie|3> daftykins: I burned a CD with three songs on it.  I want to send it to a person with the person's name, postal address and the list of songs.  I don't think I can print on the CD itself, but want to print a label that I can put on the CD
[00:02] <newbie|3> daftykins: If I can print it on a sticker / label, I'll be happy
[00:02] <daftykins> newbie|3: yeah ok, lightscribe was a technology that you could flip a disc then use a laser to write a label... anyway;i would highly recommnd against that - it's not safe
[00:03] <newbie|3> By the way, HAPPY THANKSGIVING
[00:03] <daftykins> actually you're on the internet right now, so people can be from outside the US ;)
[00:03] <newbie|3> daftykins: I'm in Belgium, but I'm also an American
[00:05] <Guest72802> is it practical to load a graphical virtual environment while booted into a non graphical linux environment?
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Charcoal1ire: Looks good , now RE-boot and when back up run ' sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty '. Get ya up on the latest HWE .
[00:05] <newbie|3> daftykins: Do you have a suggestion for me?
[00:05] <daftykins> Guest72802: you mean can you start X from a text only boot? sure.
[00:05] <Charcoal1ire> Bashing-om: Okay, be right back after the reboot!
[00:06] <daftykins> newbie|3: yeah, don't try and stick anything to the CD - but i did find - http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center?getCategories=CD%20/%20DVD&getCompatibility=any
[00:06] <Bashing-om> ChristiQs: K .. will be away for about 15 minutes .
[00:08] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Reboot complete! Can you give me those commands to update the kernel again?
[00:08] <newbie|3> daftykins: I've got Philipps progfessional 74 minute CDs
[00:09] <newbie|3> daftykins: Don't know if I could print directly on the CD, so sticking it on the CD seems my only option
[00:09] <Guest72802> daftykins: no what I mean is I want to have a few virtual environments, and manually run one or possibly two from inside a non graphical environment. The gui must be sandboxed
[00:09] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: '  sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty
[00:09] <Bashing-om>                     libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty '
[00:11] <daftykins> newbie|3: and i said i advise against that.
[00:11] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: It says it can't find that last one. Working on the others.
[00:11] <daftykins> Guest72802: i don't see the confusion if i'm honest, if you're already using VMs why not just create a few instances?
[00:11] <OneM_Industries> k1l_: Apparently ntp and ntpd are unrecognized services.
[00:11] <newbie|3> daftykins: What other option do I have if I don't have a lightscribe engraver or a CD that accepts that?
[00:12] <daftykins> newbie|3: just put the disc in a labelled jewel packet and leave the disc as is
[00:13] <Guest72802> daftykins: I am currently using vms inside a graphical environment. Not what would happen if I took away X and tried to run it.
[00:13] <newbie|3> daftykins: I have a sleeve, but would like to print the stuff rather than handwriting the stuff
[00:13] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: It's removing a bunch of things like wine.
[00:13] <daftykins> newbie|3: so you didn't look at my link then?
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: "  libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty " ??
[00:14] <newbie|3> daftykins: Yes, I did. and I downloaded two of them
[00:14] <daftykins> then we're done
[00:15] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Yeah, that's the one it can't find.
[00:15] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: It's hanging on removing virtualbox-4.3. Why is it removing everything?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: well, it is there per : Package libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty >> 10.1.3-0ubuntu0.2~precise2: amd64 i386 .
[00:20] <Bashing-om> !info libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty precise-updates
[00:21] <Bashing-om> !info libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty precise
[00:22] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Oh, it's l1, not 11. I can't tell l and 1 apart in this font.
[00:22] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Okay, all of that is done. Now I don't have any programs??
[00:23] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Can not know why the package manager considers wind and virtualbox orphaned .. we can always re-install once the system is stable and the package manager is happy .
[00:25] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Do you now have a GUI desktop ? Is the system stable ?
[00:25] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Let me reboot and get back to you on that. Be right back.
[00:26] <UnArmed> I have a Dell Latitude E6530 and its suppose to have bluetooth capabilites, Ubuntu tells me that no Bluetooth adapters are found, what am I to do?
[00:27] <teward> UnArmed: I have a similar model and it detects bluetooth.  Pastebin the output of 'lspci'
[00:27] <k1l_> UnArmed: see "lspci" and "lsusb" and "rfkill list"
[00:27] <teward> ^ that
[00:28] <k1l_> UnArmed: and make sure to see if there are no hardware switches turned off or the shortcuts are toggled
[00:28] <UnArmed> teward, http://pastebin.com/kVrUdwS5
[00:31] <UnArmed> kil_, http://pastebin.com/Gu8BnF6Q
[00:31] <k1l_> are you sure that exact laptop got bluetooth build in?
[00:31] <UnArmed> I am not 100% certain, no.
[00:31] <OerHeks> that BCM43228 is a dual chip, wifi and BT..
[00:32] <UnArmed> Looking at the specs on the internet, it says it does..its all i know
[00:32] <k1l_> UnArmed: well, you can let them ship with different settings from dell. or someone changed the cards inside etc.
[00:33] <UnArmed> k1l_, I see. I bought it from dell..no cards were changed, I have never tried to use the bluetooth until now, so not sure.
[00:33] <teward> OerHeks: know how to make it work on both bluetooth and wifi then?
[00:33] <teward> if it's a dual chip, that is
[00:33] <k1l_> UnArmed: try the key-combo for enabling BT/wifi
[00:34] <UnArmed> I am not familiar with key-combo..
[00:34] <k1l_> FN+   whatever is printed on there for wifi and/or bluetooth
[00:35] <OerHeks> according to this post, kernel 3.16+ supports it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2266527
[00:35] <teward> UnArmed: it may look like the bluetooth symbol or a wireless antenna with a wireless signal coming out of it, and then follow what k1l_ said
[00:35] <k1l_> according to this it should have the http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201201-10339/components/  Broadcom BCM20702A0 card
[00:36] <k1l_> and a intel wifi card :X
[00:36] <k1l_> so i guess its not sure if that got bluetooth at all on that exact laptop
[00:38] <UnArmed> it may not have..
[00:38] <UnArmed> who knows..
[00:39] <mekhami> why am i getting this error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/da065dc5ed29bbe54fc2
[00:39] <teward> mekhami: because something depends on something else that's not available
[00:39] <k1l_> UnArmed: what gives" usb-devices"?
[00:39] <daftykins> sounds like you're using a messy PPA, mekhami
[00:39] <teward> ^ that
[00:40] <mekhami> daftykins: isn't that just the normal wine ppa
[00:41] <daftykins> mekhami: i don't know, i can't check your package sources from here...
[00:42] <teward> mekhami: sounds like you have conflicts.  we can't tell what PPAs you have enabled or not
[00:42] <mekhami> oh sorry i thought it was in there. yeah i added ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[00:42] <teward> mekhami: apt-cache policy wine-1.7 may shed some light into what's on your system or not, or rather where that's available/pulled from
[00:42] <k1l_> mekhami: apt-cache policy wine1.7
[00:42] <k1l_> that will tell where that package is from
[00:43] <Renzadic> can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for html,css,php help?
[00:43] <mekhami> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages
[00:43] <teward> mekhami: i think you have outdated sources perhaps, though
[00:43] <teward> because that PPA was *recently* updated
[00:43] <teward> (run apt-get update again to make sure you're updated?)
[00:43] <mekhami> just ran it
[00:43] <UnArmed> k1l_, Are you a pastebin of usb-devices?
[00:43] <UnArmed> ack are you 'wanting'
[00:43] <k1l_> UnArmed: yes
[00:43] <Renzadic> can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for html,css,php help?
[00:43] <UnArmed> ok
[00:43] <teward> hmm
[00:43] <k1l_> !alis | Renzadic
[00:44] <teward> mekhami: what ubuntu are you on?
[00:44] <mekhami> Renzadic: #php #webdev
[00:44] <mekhami> teward: 15.10
[00:44] <teward> urgh
[00:44] <teward> mekhami: okay, so i think i see one problem.
[00:44] <teward> mekhami: sorta.
[00:44] <teward> (maybe)
[00:45] <UnArmed> k1l_, http://pastebin.com/nJGssZfa
[00:45] <teward> mekhami: i suggest doing what k1l stated, the apt-cache policy, either my command or theirs, and pastebin it
[00:45] <mekhami> https://gist.github.com/mekhami/16f71673b2ca8e02cb5d
[00:46] <teward> mekhami: i also wanted the output for the other two specified packages
[00:46] <teward> oop
[00:46] <k1l_> UnArmed: hmm, dont see a BT chip there
[00:47] <teward> mekhami: apt-cache policy wine1.7 wine1.7-amd64 wine1.7-i386
[00:47] <UnArmed> ok it must not have one then
[00:47] <mekhami> teward: updated the gist
[00:47] <k1l_> UnArmed: so make sure you dont have a hardware switch turned off or try to check the key-combo if that enables one. because that way it only can be blocked by hardware.
[00:48] <CorrosiveEye> I want to write an out of tree module for this trackpad http://bydit.com/doce/products/Microelectronics/2474.html to enable scrolling. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[00:48] <teward> mekhami: okay, so now we begin the hunt for the specific failures
[00:48] <teward> mekhami: start installing dependencies one by one, see where it fails
[00:48] <teward> (this is the headachey way of figuring out what's broken, but meh)
[00:48] <teward> mekhami: so, apt-get install wine1.7-amd64 wine1.7-i386
[00:48] <teward> etc. as more errors show up
[00:49] <mekhami> teward: https://gist.github.com/mekhami/16f71673b2ca8e02cb5d
[00:49] <daftykins> CorrosiveEye: ##linux might be more apt
[00:49] <teward> mekhami: E: Not Updated
[00:49] <teward> oh
[00:49] <UnArmed> k1l_, Okay, thanks for your help.
[00:50] <teward> ooooo
[00:50] <teward> mekhami: okay, well... part of the headache in here is that the dependencies are broken
[00:51] <teward> mekhami: libgnutls26 for instance is not available in 15.10
[00:52] <teward> mekhami: so that's packaging issues there
[00:52] <mekhami> teward: so... is this not going to be possible? i'm gonna be really sad :(
[00:52] <mekhami> teward: was so looking forward to playing eve online hah
[00:52] <teward> mekhami: my guess is "no" because you're missing software
[00:52] <daftykins> cheer up :) all is not lost ;)
[00:52] <teward> mekhami: though I know wine1.7 in that PPA for Trusty (14.04) is updated and works
[00:52] <teward> i'll poke the wine ppa people :)
[00:52] <teward> ... later :)
[00:53] <mekhami> no worries, gotta run for now, i'll be back later to ask some more and get this working
[00:54] <teward> mekhami: it won't be fixed until the PPA gets updated
[00:54] <teward> there's dependency failures
[00:54] <mekhami> does that typically take a while?
[00:54] <mekhami> is there somewhere i can report this?
[00:56] <daftykins> mekhami: it's not ubuntu's fault when you're using a PPA, what's the deal here anyway? is it games related?
[00:56] <teward> daftykins: he wants EVE Online
[00:56] <teward> which needs Wine
[00:56] <mekhami> daftykins: yeah i'm trying to run an app through wine
[00:56] <daftykins> yeah that's me out then, more to life than games on Linux
[00:56] <mekhami> i wasn't suggesting it was ubuntu's fault, maybe that i could report it to the wine group
[00:56] <mekhami> daftykins: sure, i just don't feel like dual booting
[00:56] <mekhami> or buying a copy of windows for that matter
[00:57] <daftykins> i don't need to know :)
[00:57] <mekhami> 'more to life than games on Linux' man that's a really strange statement to make.
[00:58] <daftykins> your point escapes me :)
[00:59] <teward> mekhami: I sent an email to the people who are in the Ubuntu Wine team and maintain that PPA, but don't expect expedient fixes.
[00:59] <teward> Alternatively, don't use the latest release of Ubuntu, and use LTS ;)
[00:59] <teward> (though you're free to do what you want)
[00:59] <inf3rn4l> wow, first time using Ubuntu today, it is bad ass!! just wish there was a karabiner type program for it, my return button doesn't work on my Macbook so i need to use the onboard keyboard
[01:00] <sruli> i am trying to install ubuntu server on a luks partition, how do i mount the partition from installer?
[01:01] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: So, now my computer has some kind of pop-up about low graphics mode and can't connect to the Internet or anything. I'm borrowing a laptop and downloading a new 12.04 iso. I think my current strategy is going to be to just reinstall and recover my home folder.
[01:02] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: And still no GUI, so low-graphics mode just seems to be no-graphics mode?
[01:03] <daftykins> Charcoalfire: it's 2015, don't use 12.04 anymore
[01:03] <xar-> there a whatprovides dpkg equivalent; trying to track down the origin of a package
[01:04] <mekhami> teward: i didn't really know much about ubuntu when i installed 15.10, else i would have installed .04
[01:04] <daftykins> xar-: you mean what installed a given package? look at its' dependencies or reverse deps
[01:04] <teward> mekhami: no problem.  I've sent an email out, but don't expect much in any expedient time frame.
[01:04] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: IF you are to take that nuclear solution . 3 considerations . 12.04 with or without HWE .. or fresh install the current LTS 14.04 - with or without . ( HWE is to support newly released hardware, does it apply in your case ?) .
[01:04] <delete> Is unity getting axed yet?
[01:04] <xar-> I mean a tool that can resolve it for me, similar to yum whatprovides
[01:04] <delete> and mir
[01:05] <Charcoalfire> daftykins: Which one, then? 15.10, 15.04, 14.10?
[01:05] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: The ;ow graphocs moode is in all likely hood we have yet to get a graphics driver to install .
[01:05] <delete> or at least Unity ported to Mir
[01:05] <daftykins> Charcoalfire: 14.04 is LTS
[01:05] <delete> I mean wayland, not mir
[01:06] <erry>  /4
[01:06] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: I can't install a graphics driver without being able to connect to the Internet.
[01:06] <Charcoalfire> daftykins: Okay.
[01:07] <daftykins> that's actually not true, connectivity just makes it easier
[01:07] <logglog> Does some1 mind explaining me what is this display server mir and xorg, wayland. I tried with googling, and i didnt understand :P
[01:07] <Charcoalfire> Well, yeah.
[01:07] <UserUzer> Hello. How can I copy files without eating all my hard drive bandwidth?
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: True ... on the internet .. is the WIFI ? and how in the world can that possibly get broken (??) !
[01:07] <k1l_> delete: neither MIR nor Unity get axed.
[01:08] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: When it removed every program, it seems to have removed EVERY program. Including stuff to connect to the Internet.
[01:08] <daftykins> UserUzer: system grinds to a halt if you do a lot of IO huh?
[01:09] <Charcoalfire> daftykins, Bashing-om: I probably should've done a new install forever ago, so even if I can still fix my current super-broken one, it's probably not worth it.
[01:10] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Not a clue why/how that transpired . We took pains to make sure the system was updated ( so far as we could ) I did not see that the sytem was badly broken from the outputs .
[01:11] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: I must say however, I like 14.04 muchly over 12.04 .
[01:11] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: When I was running the commands to update the kernel to Trusty, it went through a long thing of "removing virtualbox" "removing skype" "removing xchat".
[01:11] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: What do you prefer about 14.04?
[01:11] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Itis faster and cleaner ..
[01:11] <UserUzer> daftykins, kind of. If I'm copying a lot of data I can't do things like listetning to music without getting an error that my hdd can't keep up with music playing lol
[01:13] <UserUzer> So I would like to copy the files without using all my drive's speed so that I can do other things at the same time. I don't need to copy those files as soon as possible
[01:13] <daftykins> UserUzer: how old is this system?
[01:13] <UserUzer> 2010 low end laptop
[01:13] <Charcoalfire> So, when the .iso finishes - I need to do a live boot, back up my home folder, and then install 14.04, and stick the home folder files into it. Right?
[01:13] <daftykins> and HDD for sure, not SSD?
[01:14] <daftykins> Charcoalfire: yep that's about the gist of it
[01:14] <UserUzer> daftykins, yes, hdd. I'm hoping there's a way to copy files at a custom speed, probably via termnal. Right?
[01:14] <Charcoalfire> Thanks for the confirmation, daftykins.
[01:14] <xar-> UserUzer: I/O scheduling is "Hard" (^TM); it's not for the faint of heart; can what you're asking be done? technically yes? is it worth the effort in learning CFQ techniques? probably not.
[01:15] <UserUzer> xar so it's complicated
[01:15] <daftykins> UserUzer: i'd do a quick check on the HDD health first, just in case it's screaming because of that... "sudo apt install pastebinit smartmontools" then "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[01:15] <xar-> UserUzer: depends on who is implementing it. ;)
[01:17] <UserUzer> daftykins, does that command require the hdd to be idle? coz I'm still copying the files, though I think I can cancel and resume later
[01:18] <daftykins> UserUzer: nope
[01:18] <daftykins> i'd imagine you could speed limit with rsync, btw
[01:19] <xar-> UserUzer: you can also try to leverage kernel cgroup(s) and restrict io on a per-process basis, also for "power users"; I have no idea what daftykins is talking about though. lol
[01:19] <daftykins> UserUzer: also, open another terminal and run "top" then state the "wa" value
[01:19] <daftykins> xar-: checking SMART disk status for whether it's faulty slowing things down, or just rate limiting a file copy with rsync...
[01:20] <UserUzer> I don't see no wa column on top... xar, is rsynch what you were referring to?
[01:20] <xar-> it's an interesting place to start, so you're assuming the drive is bad? :o
[01:21] <xar-> UserUzer: I'm talking about applying custom io scheduling in general; you can indeed apply it to rsync in userland
[01:21] <daftykins> no i'm saying check it since it takes one command
[01:22] <daftykins> i think xar- is taking this request a little too far personally ;)
[01:22] <daftykins> UserUzer: it's not a column, 'wa' is along the top
[01:23] <daftykins> e.g. %Cpu(s):  0.0 us,  0.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 99.3 id,  0.0 wa,
[01:23] <UserUzer> yes, it says "... 0.3 wa, 0.0 hi, ..."
[01:23] <daftykins> ok so can you run the commands i mentioned and paste the pastebin link it creates?
[01:23] <UserUzer> yes...
[01:24] <xar-> you have to use control groups if you're going to confine and/or isolate system resources; my answer isn't too far, rather it's 'correct' lol
[01:25] <daftykins> not for a beginner chan :)
[01:25] <UserUzer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13521281/
[01:26] <daftykins> UserUzer: also "dmesg | tail | pastebinit"
[01:27] <UserUzer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13521304/
[01:28] <Techspectre> If I set up a shared folder in Ubuntu 12.04 on one machine, is there any reason I should have issues accessing it from Ubuntu 15.04 on another machine?
[01:28] <xar-> I don't think this is a beginner chan, unless it devolved into that... I certainly hope not.
[01:29] <xar-> UserUzer: the cgroup subsystsem in ubuntu is called 'blkio', so you can start your research there ;)
[01:29] <UserUzer> xar ok I give up.
[01:29] <daftykins> UserUzer: ok nothing particularly looks to be a problem, certainly a cheap slow HDD but that's about it :>
[01:29] <topunxer> xar- Techspectre and UserUzer are not lying
[01:30] <xar-> pardon me?
[01:31] <Techspectre> I tend to ask my questions in as broad a fashion as I possibly can on this channel, though, because if I'm too specific people are less likely to respond
[01:32] <Techspectre> I could have said "Is there any incompatibility in samba versions between 12.04 and 15.04"
[01:32] <UserUzer> daftykins, when buying a hard drive, how can I check it's not a cheap slow one that would give me this kind of problems?
[01:33] <topunxer> UserUzer: spindle speed
[01:33] <daftykins> UserUzer: i've seen media players stop and start when a disk the music is on is under high IO, but the errors you mention are a bit odd to me - be interesting to see a screenshot/paste of one?
[01:33] <daftykins> UserUzer: well i wouldn't buy an HDD at all now, if your laptop had room for it, i'd have an SSD for the OS and keep that disk for pure storage
[01:34] <UserUzer> as in a ssd for / and /boot and a hhd for /home?
[01:34] <Techspectre> UserUzer, that is an ideal configuration. Also SSD for swap
[01:35] <UserUzer> daftykins, but if I keep this one how will I avoid the problems?
[01:35] <topunxer> Who uses swap anymore Techspectre
[01:35] <daftykins> everyone, actually
[01:35] <Techspectre> Most people
[01:36] <daftykins> UserUzer: yes, split tasks between. well, can you share this error that comes up? or explain what your file copy is, just a backup to a NAS or something?
[01:36] <xar-> Techspectre: my response was in response to daftykins, not you, sorry for the confusion ;)
[01:37] <Techspectre> xar-, ah I see. No big deal
[01:37] <daftykins> xar-: the pardon? no idea what you're on about then.
[01:37] <topunxer> UserUzer: not needed really. Swap is old fashioned
[01:37] <UserUzer> daftykins, ok, I'll be a bit more specific: I was moving files from one hdd partition to another
[01:38] <daftykins> aaaah so an internal transfer
[01:38] <daftykins> yeah that's no surprise
[01:38] <Techspectre> So... I did install samba, etc. via Nautilus's utility to set up shared folders, but when I connect with smb://IP address it just shows me 'Print$'
[01:38] <topunxer> If you need swap then you have old machine
[01:38] <daftykins> ideanlly then, either get an SSD+HDD setup if your laptop has internal space, or get a NAS maybe so you can keep some storage off this laptop.
[01:38] <UserUzer> "no surprise"? so it's normal on any hdd?
[01:39] <xar-> daftykins: 'topunxer' came out of left field with an incoherent comment that didn't make sense, hence the excusal, at no time did I feel like UserUzer was lying about his observation(s)
[01:39] <daftykins> topunxer: you do know swap is used for sleep and hibernate also?
[01:39] <Techspectre> topunxer, I'm not sure if that's really the case... I'm certain that I don't need swap, because my machine has 24 GB of memory, but I have swap anyway because not having swap leads to problems
[01:39] <daftykins> xar-: i never said anything about anyone lying or not, i think you might want to read back and double check who you think is saying certain things.
[01:40] <xar-> daftykins: 10 minutes ago, "Techspectre and UserUzer are not lying" O_o
[01:40] <topunxer> If you hibernated. It's faster and better to power off. Sleep to ram don't need swap
[01:41] <daftykins> xar-: yeah i don't know why you're telling ME this though, can we get back on topic please?
[01:42] <xar-> daftykins: because you asked 4 minutes ago "the pardon?"  It will be a file server (nfs & cifs) using bcache to accelerate a mdraid mirror. I may also run some lxc containers. It looks like bcache tools are available in 14.04. Any reason I would want to go with 15.10 instead of 14.04?
[02:06] <k1l_> AnimalFarmPig: usually you dont want non-LTS on servers. you will nee to upgrade that box in 8 months at least. on LTS you got 5 years support. which means 14.04 still got more than 3 years left
[02:07] <AnimalFarmPig> Yeah, I prefer to stay on a LTS
[02:07] <k1l_> AnimalFarmPig: or you install 15.10 now and upgrade to 16.04 next year. 16.04 will be LTS
[02:07] <AnimalFarmPig> is it a pretty smooth upgrade typically? Also, 15.10 is systemd, yeah?
[02:07] <k1l_> yes, since 15.04 ubuntu got systemd
[02:07] <k1l_> upgrades are automated tested. so should work in most times.
[02:09] <AnimalFarmPig> cool, good to know. I think I'll stick with 14.04. I remember reading about problems with systemd and containers
[02:09] <Techspectre> Wait so you can do a system upgrade without having issues now?
[02:09] <Techspectre> You don't need to do a fresh install?
[02:09] <k1l_> Techspectre: i do upgrades since 11.xx on a machine.
[02:10] <Techspectre> Interesting... I remember I tried to upgrade from 12.04 to 13.04 and it gave me problems, so I had to do a fresh install. Kinda shied away from it since
[02:10] <UserUzer> When you copy a oflder that is too big Ubuntu tells you it can't copy it before starting the process and not at the end, right?
[02:10] <UserUzer> *folder
[02:11] <k1l_> Techspectre: well, 12.04 to 13.04 would have needed a step to 12.10 anyways
[02:12] <daftykins> UserUzer: starting the process o0 i have no idea of that one
[02:12] <Techspectre> k1l, what about upgrading from like... Okay so let's say you have a machine with 12.04 now. Can you upgrade it all the way to 15.10 using the upgrade tool?
[02:12] <UserUzer> daftykins, I mean, before starting to copy anything
[02:13] <daftykins> UserUzer: i think you might want to provide an example of these messages you say ubuntu is giving :>
[02:13] <k1l_> Techspectre: you would need the LTS upgrade to 14.04, then the EOL-upgrade to 14.10, then another EOL-Upgrade to 15.04 then regular upgrade to 15.10
[02:14] <k1l_> Techspectre: tl;dr: a reinstall would be much more faster.
[02:14] <UserUzer> daftykins, "an additional Xgb will be needed" something like that is shown before copying right?
[02:14] <Techspectre> Okay. I've actually got my mom on Ubuntu 12.04, which I installed for her years ago. I'll jump her up to 15.10 one of these days.
[02:15] <daftykins> UserUzer: err nope that sounds more like an upgrade you're talking about there.
[02:15] <k1l_> Techspectre: honestly: jump here to 14.04 with the LTS upgrade.
[02:15] <UserUzer> have you never tried to copy a folder where it won't fit?
[02:15] <k1l_> then wait untill 16.04.1 is released and jump her to 16.04 with the next LTS upgrade
[02:16] <Techspectre> k1l_, okay I'll do that. I can do that from teamviewer lol
[02:16] <daftykins> UserUzer: i tend not to make that mistake :>
[02:16] <UserUzer> hehe, I tend not to remember to check space before moving stuff
[02:17] <logglog> Hello everyone, when i was using manjaro before i used a program for taking screenshits and it offers me to automatical upload it to the internet, is there an alternative for ubuntu?
[02:17] <logglog> screenshots*
[02:17] <k1l_> logglog: what desktop and what screenshot tool was that?
[02:17] <daftykins> UserUzer: i'm not quite sure why you're juggling between partitions so much either?
[02:17] <logglog> I cant remmeber, thats why i ask :P
[02:18] <logglog> it comes with manjaro
[02:18] <k1l_> logglog: doesnt sound like the standard gnome one
[02:18] <logglog> manjaro is xfe
[02:18] <logglog> xfce*
[02:18] <UserUzer> The thing is, after copying the first lot of files I talked about earlier I got a prompt telling me there's only 2gb left on /home, and I wonder if that's after copying all those files or if it just stopped and left 2gb free
[02:19] <daftykins> xfce has something built in, but someone mentioned greenshot the other day which has a lot of features
[02:19] <k1l_> !info xfce4-screenshoter
[02:19] <daftykins> UserUzer: partitions tend to have a default 5% space reservation for the root user, so they don't fill right up
[02:20] <UserUzer> I will free space but I need to know if Ubuntu could copy the files or not. My thinking is it there was not enough space I would have been told from the beginning
[02:20] <UserUzer> *if there
[02:20] <k1l_> !info xfce4-screenshooter  | logglog
[02:21] <logglog> k1l_ so... what can i do xD i am newer at linux
[02:21] <k1l_> logglog: on xubuntu it should be default anyway
[02:22] <UserUzer> I would have been told from the beginning COZ Ubuntu doesn't copy folders if there's not enough space (unlike windows which starts to copy and then at the end "realizes" there's not enough space and asks you what to do)
[02:22] <logglog> okey
[02:22] <logglog> thx
[02:23] <UserUzer> right?
[02:23] <daftykins> UserUzer: i have no idea why you're still on this topic; just check first in future? :)
[02:23] <m000gle> Is there any way to adjust the size of the mouse cursor in Ubuntu 15.10
[02:24] <daftykins> time to buy a large external drive too.
[02:24] <UserUzer> really? I think I've explained my situation well enough but nvm
[02:24] <OerHeks> err, windows does check the available space before copying, afaik
[02:25] <UserUzer> OerHeks, well I seem to remember the opposite but that was long ago, maybe it's changed
[02:25] <daftykins> it has :>
[02:26] <pataters> hi
[02:28] <UserUzer> daftykins, yes I'm thinking of getting a new hdd but I wonder how limited I am by just being on a laptop
[02:28] <daftykins> UserUzer: you never explained why you're shuffling between partitions
[02:28] <hfp> Hi all, I have installed Chrome 43 on Ubuntu 12.04 using the .deb package that Google offered. Now Chrome is outdated and I want to use PPA via apt-get rather than downloading the new .deb. I added Chrome's PPA to my apt-get, ran apt-get update then upgrade, Chrome 46 was installed. But when I launch Chrome, it's still v43. If I uninstall Chrome 46 using apt-get purge, I don't seem to have Chrome anymore (sear
[02:29] <hfp> ching for it using the launcher widget doesn't return any result). If I install Chrome using apt-get and check for the version, it's v43 again. How do I fix this so Chrome 43 installed from Google's .deb is fully uninstalled and apt-get handles Chrome?
[02:29] <UserUzer> daftykins, basically I'm making a backup of partition a on partition b, hence I'm copying almost everything
[02:29] <Bashing-om> h
[02:29] <daftykins> UserUzer: i see, this is a huge waste of time, a backup is not a backup when it's on the same physical disk.
[02:30] <daftykins> buy an external
[02:30] <UserUzer> ...because I will install another os on partition a
[02:30] <shingbling> hi
[02:30] <Bashing-om> hfp: google-chrome is proprietary to google .. it is not in the repo or availabale via a PPA .
[02:30] <daftykins> UserUzer: crazy plan right there
[02:31] <OerHeks> hfp, strange, the deb from google just adds the repo + key, so you had the original chrome anyway, and would get the latest trough updates
[02:31] <UserUzer> If I had more free space I would have left those partitions alone but unfortunatelly it's filling up. YES, I will buy a new hard drive soon but how would I benefit from an external one instead of upgrading the internal one?
[02:32] <hfp> OerHeks: That's weird. With Google's deb, when I ran apt-get update, there was no mention of Chrome. After I added a repo for chrome, then it showed in the upgradeable packages via apt-get
[02:32] <UserUzer> Does external hdds use external power as well?
[02:32] <hfp> Bashing-om: My bad, maybe it wasn't PPA, let me check
[02:33] <daftykins> hfp: the .deb is meant to add a PPA, so you'd then have to update package lists to see it perhaps - but 12.04 is getting on a bit so maybe they're giving up o0
[02:33] <OerHeks> chrome or chromium-browser?
[02:34] <Bashing-om> hfp: chromium ? the opensource release of google-chrome ?
[02:36] <Brennan_> Hello!
[02:36] <daftykins> hi
[02:42] <hfp> daftykins, Bashing-om: Ah it seems Chrome 46 needs ubuntu 14 or higher. I'm SOL with my Ubuntu 12. Would love to upgrade but afraid it'll mess things up...
[02:43] <Bashing-om> hfp: :( .. Yeah .. I can see an upgrade in your future :)
[02:44] <Qasker> ubuntu gnome 15.10. I am trying to have my sudo password be required before mounting external drives. The accepted answer here worked well on 12.04 but does not work on 14.x 15.x http://askubuntu.com/questions/389974/how-can-i-make-ubuntu-ask-for-my-password-before-mounting-usb-drives
[02:44] <daftykins> hfp: that figures, i wasn't 100%. clean install time i would say
[02:44] <hfp> Heh, what do you know. I tried to install it again and now it's running 46.
[02:49] <Bashing-om> hfp: I do stand impressed .
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[03:03] <UserUzer> OK I've finished copying the files and I Think everything got through but I noticed something interesting: The partition I was copying from was 100GB and mounted on /media/user. After I unmounted the partition I suddenly got 100gb free space back, which makes me wonder, do mounted partitions count as space on the partition they're mounted until they're unmounted? e.g. can I not mount a 200gb partition on a 100gb partition? if so, how do people mount ext
[03:03] <UserUzer> ernal drives that exceed their internal storage by many gb?
[03:04] <daftykins> experiment with "df -h" when mounted and not, to see
[03:04] <jyoti> hlp me plz
[03:05] <delt> Hello
[03:05] <UserUzer> I mounted them by clicking. Do I have to mount them from terminal to be able to use those arguments daftykins ?
[03:05] <delt> suddenly i'm getting this problem ---> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1290217
[03:05] <delt> on my laptop
[03:06] <delt> the network menu shows "NetworkManager is not running" ...when i try to run it directly, it shows that error
[03:06] <daftykins> UserUzer: run it and see
[03:07] <delt> about glib errors overwriting each other
[03:08] <UserUzer> it shows the same used % before and after mounting
[03:19] <skweek> does the network manager suck with gnome installed, or is it just me or this install?
[03:26] <delt> hello??
[03:26] <SeriouslyLaugh> hi
[03:27] <delt> suddenly i'm getting this problem ---> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1290217
[03:27] <delt> the network menu shows "NetworkManager is not running" ...when i try to run it directly, it shows that error
[03:28] <delt> i just plugged a network cable directly to the laptop to get online, manually uninstalled and reinstalled NetworkManager package, still same shit
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !language | delt
[03:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
[03:29] <daftykins> you can't do that anymore
[03:29]  * SeriouslyLaugh shrugs
[03:29] <delt> no
[03:29] <daftykins> full reboot is best
[03:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> i just googled it
[03:29] <delt> reboot does not help
[03:30] <delt> ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/Net*: No such file or directory
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> delt: ubuntu version?
[03:31] <delt> ubuntu studio 14.04
[03:31] <daftykins> well it wouldn't be capital N :>
[03:31] <delt> in /etc/init.d i have: netatalk    networking
[03:32] <delt> i tested the wlan hardware, it works ok with a live-cd, so i know it's not a hardware problem.
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> delt: when did this start hapenning?
[03:34] <delt> lotuspsychje: a few days ago
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> delt: after update?
[03:34] <delt> no
[03:34] <delt> didn't update anything
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> delt: fully updated to 14.04.3?
[03:34] <delt> it just randomly started to not work
[03:35] <delt> nope..haven't updated to .03 yet
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> delt: please do and reboot please
[03:35] <delt> what's the best way to do that in ubuntu already?
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> !usn | delt try to keep update more often
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> delt: sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:36] <delt> ok, running that...
[03:37] <delt> "need to get 686 MB of archives" ..... :/
[03:37] <daftykins> wow
[03:38] <daftykins> you must ignore the update manager every time it runs, or something
[03:38] <delt> no, it just didn't appear in like months... for some reason
[03:38] <delt> i don't recall disabling anything
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> delt: you can check the update manager in your software startup applications
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> delt: lets us know if its enabled or not in studio
[03:42] <delt> i can't see it (xfce settings -> session and startup -> application autostart)
[03:42] <delt> anyway, the update is at 16%....
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> delt: maybe you should let that know to #ubuntu-studio
[03:43] <delt> yeah :/
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> updates gui as startup is nice to have a regular user
[03:44] <delt> ok gonna play piano while this update thing completes....bbl
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:45] <delt> what's so funny about piano practice?
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> delt: nevermind, enjoy
[03:46] <delt> ... ok
[03:48] <Crazyzufer> Hello, i'm installing elementary os and the installation freezes all the time
[03:48] <Crazyzufer> I've tried several usb devices, none of them work
[03:48] <Bashing-om> !elementary | Crazyzufer
[03:49] <daftykins> Crazyzufer: install a proper distro like ubuntu
[03:51] <Crazyzufer> Daftykins: i guessed somebody would say something like that. Just tried ubuntu gnome and same thing happens
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: wich version did you try then?
[03:52] <Crazyzufer> I tried both
[03:52] <daftykins> sadly that sounds a little too much like "ok if it's banned i'm going to pretend i'm using it" :)
[03:52] <Crazyzufer> None of them work
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: lts non-lts?
[03:52] <Crazyzufer> 15.10
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: start from the beginning and chosoe LTS for stable
[03:53] <delt> 43%...
[03:53] <Crazyzufer> I dont want that version
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: then you might be ready for bughunting too
[03:54] <Crazyzufer> Cool
[03:54] <Crazyzufer> Lets do that
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: try your syslog and dmesg to see whats going on
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: but not now, first reinstall ubuntu
[03:55] <Crazyzufer> Is there a way I can send you a video?
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: reinstall ubuntu desktop first, lets go from there for support
[03:57] <Crazyzufer> Now seems to work
[03:57] <Crazyzufer> Didnt set up wifi this time
[03:57] <Crazyzufer> And everything works
[03:58] <Crazyzufer> Weird
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> delt: keep in mind that if your system acts weird, you might consider a fresh install as you waited to update dangerous security updates too long
[03:59] <Crazyzufer> So many hours wasted to find out it was the wifi
[04:00] <delt> lotuspsychje: i "waited"...?
[04:00] <delt> a bug in ubuntu "waited".
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> delt: the user is responsible for own system
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> delt: you cant blame ubuntu for 'not checking updates daily'
[04:01] <delt> "dangerous security updates" are so common?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> delt: check the usn link i triggered mate
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> delt: 600mb is alot, your system might be exploited like this
[04:03] <delt> lotuspsychje: ok, what if i don't want to reconfigue everything from scratch on this laptop?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> delt: then youl have to risk an exploited system
[04:03] <delt> 71%
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> delt: check 14.04 at the usn page, and scroll back to the time you updated
[04:05] <delt> lotuspsychje: i told you, updates simply ceased to happen. I assumed it was because 14.04 was no longer the current version.
[04:05] <delt> with 15.xx or whatever
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> delt: im not here to blame you mate, but the user is responsible for updating system
[04:06] <delt> ok, and how does this fix the networking on my laptop?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> delt: i never said it was related, but lets try to see from a fully updated system ok?
[04:07] <anukul> hi, is there any strict requirement on which version of ubuntu i've to be using if i want to be working on bug fixes? i have 15.10
[04:07] <Charcoalflame> I'm backing up my home folder to do a new install. Is there ANYTHING that I could possibly need to back up besides my home folder?
[04:07] <delt> ok, 79%
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> !bug | anukul
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> anukul: you can fill bugs on any supported ubuntu version
[04:08] <anukul> i don't want to file bugs, i want to fix bugs.
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !backup | Charcoalfire
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> anukul: fixing bugs isnt limited to an Os, everyone can help!
[04:08] <anukul> thanks! :)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | anukul read this also, we always need good help
[04:09] <anukul> yes, i'm just starting with this.
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> anukul: you can idle here also and support here too
[04:09] <anukul> okay
[04:10] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: Nornally, just your personal files in your home directory . unless you have also made extensive system configuration changes .
[04:15] <delt> ok, done downloading, now it's installing the new packages..
[04:15] <delt> .
[04:17] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: How goes it ?
[04:18] <delt> still installing....
[04:18] <Charcoalflame> Bashing-om: I have the 14.04 Live CD flash drive set up (which I am using right now), and I have five hours left for my home folder to copy over to my external hard drive.
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> delt: please, dont use this channel for every step happening to your system
[04:20] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: Oww .. I guess I will sleep on that one for ya ... and see the status my tomorrow night .
[04:20] <Charcoalflame> Bashing-om: Thanks for trying to help me earlier!
[04:21] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: Totally not right for an update to go belly up . But will all work out to the btter in the long term :)
[04:22] <Charcoalflame> Bashing-om: Yeah, I think it will. I had quite a few problems on 12.04.
[04:27] <suaveolentiam> hi does anyone here use the mu email client? I am having some trouble building from source
[04:30] <suaveolentiam> http://pastebin.com/Uq0nCU2C
[04:30] <suaveolentiam> What should I do ?
[04:33] <malimbar> I'm googling now, but... what is the mu email client?
[04:34] <suaveolentiam> mu4e email client
[04:35] <suaveolentiam> https://github.com/djcb/mu
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> !compile | suaveolentiam
[04:36] <suaveolentiam> The prebuilt ones are outdated
[04:37] <malimbar> surprised they don't have an independent repo
[04:37] <suaveolentiam> unfortunately no
[04:38] <bumblefuzz> is there a way to copy the ubuntu iso to a partition and boot from that?
[04:38] <bumblefuzz> ...instead of using an external USB or DVD?
[04:39] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: grub can boot from iso. but that needs a grub installed
[04:39] <medlizerd> hiii there
[04:39] <bumblefuzz> I have refind...
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[04:39] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: but its most easy to just flash a usb drive quick
[04:40] <bumblefuzz> ...unless you don't have a USB drive
[04:40] <bumblefuzz> how would I have to set up the partition
[04:40] <bumblefuzz> ?
[04:40] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: well, you need something. could use a pxe boot with a pxe server running in the network
[04:41] <malimbar> is it possible to install on a separate computer over a network via iso?
[04:41] <malimbar> I have a powerpc that I want to install ubuntu-mate on, but I keep having troubles with the media to install it from
[04:41] <bumblefuzz> what's the difference between copying to a USB drive and copying to a partition?
[04:42] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: the booting
[04:42] <bumblefuzz> but won't it see both?
[04:42] <k1l_> the copying as such is different to, since you "burn" it onto the usb
[04:42] <bumblefuzz> I didn't realize burn was a technical term
[04:43] <suaveolentiam> Is make affected by spaces in directory names?
[04:43] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: just coping the iso is not enough to make it boot.
[04:43] <bumblefuzz> I have refind as my bootloader
[04:43] <k1l_> suaveolentiam: you need to escape them with a \ in front
[04:43] <bumblefuzz> it recognizes everything
[04:43] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: dont know if that works with iso booting
[04:43] <bumblefuzz> I just don't know how to point to toward the iso
[04:44] <bumblefuzz> ok, well, if I were going to make a partition, how would I set it up?
[04:44] <k1l_> see the link
[04:44] <bumblefuzz> dd if=X of=Y
[04:44] <bumblefuzz> ?
 bumblefuzz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[04:45] <k1l_> that is for grub. dont know about refind.
[04:45] <delt> lotuspsychje: software update has completed.
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> delt: please reboot and test network
[04:46] <delt> lotuspsychje: ok
[04:52] <delt> lotuspsychje: nope. all this fixed absolutely nothing.
[04:52] <delt> [pts/0][root@laptop]:~# NetworkManager
[04:52] <delt> (NetworkManager:4449): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[04:52] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[04:52] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> delt: checkout your syslog and dmesg logs to see whats happening
[04:54] <delt> Nov 26 23:52:37 laptop kernel: [  271.761865] NetworkManager[4450]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f45e3df7f84 sp 00007fff7e24efd0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.4600.2[7f45e3dc8000+111000]
[04:56] <delt> same error in dmesg [  365.370400] NetworkManager[4965]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f87ae3e5f84 sp 00007fffd5e56370 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.4600.2[7f87ae3b6000+111000]
[05:17] <Redblue> Hello. I'm trying to restore some packages as per these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/APTonCD and I get the error "Error scanning the CD. Could not find a suitable CD."
[05:21] <fontdpi> Hi. How much font DPI i should set for a 22" Full HD Screen?
[05:21] <SeriouslyLaugh> dunno, maybe ask over in #hardware
[05:22] <AfterDarkness> after upgrading to 15.10, can't seem to be able to install skype and wine, anyone know a solution for this?
[05:23] <fontdpi> SeriouslyLaugh: im using Ubuntu, question is relevant me guess
[05:31] <anukul> dummy message
[05:40] <anukul> dummy message
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> anukul: please dont do that
[05:40] <anukul> sorry. i was setting up an IRC client.
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> AfterDarkness: better detail to the channel whats going wrong exactly,errors on install?
[05:43] <Redblue> I created an iso with aptoncd to restore my programs without having to download anything again. I can't use aptoncd to restore the packages due to bugs. Is there any other way?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: wich ubuntu version is this?
[05:44] <Redblue> 14.04.2
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: can you update to latest first please
[05:45] <Redblue> no I cannot
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: why
[05:45] <Redblue> the mate branch haven't released 14.04.3 yet (checked today)
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: not updating is a danger mate, security holes can be exploited like this
[05:46] <Redblue> I can't, see my previous comment lotuspsychje
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: is this official mate? maybe talk to the #ubuntu-mate guys
[05:47] <Redblue> allright then, I'll be back
[05:53] <Redblue> ok I'm now on 14.04.3 (not Mate) and aptoncd doesn't work here either. What can I do?
[05:55] <anukul> Redblue: doesn't work?
[05:55] <Redblue> no, when I click on "load" nothing happens (but I see errors on terminal)
[05:57] <finetundra> Is there a specific support channel for banshee audio player?
[05:58] <anukul> RedBlue: did you try this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/286996/aptoncd-load-button-does-not-work-even-after-installing-hal
[05:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> Redblue I spotted this link as well: http://askubuntu.com/questions/146498/software-center-gives-me-an-error-scanning-the-cd-could-not-find-a-suitable-cd
[05:59] <Redblue> anukul I read it but didn't try it. They suggest to remove hal and install an old version through a rather convoluted process
[06:00] <SeriouslyLaugh> Redblue are you trying to back up packages or restore packages?
[06:00] <Redblue> SeriouslyLaugh, that was someone who wanted to add a ppa not a cd
[06:00] <anukul> RedBlue I found that this issue has been logged on launchpad bugs thread. install the version given here: https://code.launchpad.net/~aptoncd-team
[06:00] <Redblue> I'm trying to restore the pkgs from an iso I created with aptoncd SeriouslyLaugh
[06:01] <anukul> RedBlue: Then install udisks. sudo apt-get install udisks.
[06:01] <Redblue> anukul, I'll install that version thanks. udisks is already installed
[06:01] <anukul> RedBlue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptoncd/+bug/1175458 This guy seems to have a similar problem, and it was solved using that version..
[06:02] <Redblue> Sorry how do I exactly install the program from that link?
[06:04] <anukul> RedBlue: bzr branch lp:~aptoncd-team/aptoncd/main
[06:05] <anukul> then run using ./aptoncd from the "main" directory, as instructed by laudeci on the launchpad thread
[06:09] <anukul> exit
[06:11] <jmargo> hello!
[06:18] <SlidingHorn> So I'm trying to reproduce & diagnose a crashing situation I'm having, and I just wanted to know:  If I'm logged in from another machine using openssh and I do "cat /proc/kmsg" should it remain blank until there's a problem?
[06:19] <arallen> SlidingHorn, sounds right to me.
[06:29] <whitelion> hi there do you knwo where can I find linux drivers for a Radeon R7 240? i need to use gpu but it doesn't work
[06:31] <anukul> whitelion: did you try AMD's website?
[06:31] <whitelion> yes but the drivers i found didn't work
[06:32] <whitelion> i tried there http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
[06:32] <anukul> whitelion: could you please tell me the name of the driver that you installed?
[06:33] <whitelion> the first one here http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Ubuntu%20x86%2064
[06:34] <VsyachePuz> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/245814/which-package-manages-allow-to-download-binary-packages-through-torrent-protocol?
[06:34] <anukul> VsyachePuz: ?
[06:35] <whitelion> it made my xorg file a mess
[06:35] <anukul> whitelion: crimson? try catalyst
[06:36] <whitelion> can you link it?
[06:36] <VsyachePuz> anukul: that is my question
[06:37] <SeriouslyLaugh> VsyachePuz I would ask over in #linux -- this channel is for Ubuntu specific support
[06:38] <anukul> whitelion: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/ATI-Radeon-Linux-Display-Drivers-6719.shtml
[06:38] <whitelion> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-linux-beta-driver.aspx
[06:38] <whitelion> you mean this one?
[06:38] <anukul> whitelion: although I suggest that you follow this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-proprietary-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx
[06:38] <whitelion> I tried that too, it seems to not be compatible with my kernel
[06:38] <whitelion> I have ubuntu studio
[06:39] <anukul> then why are you installing drivers that aren't meant for your OS? ...
[06:39] <SeriouslyLaugh> !derivatives
[06:40] <anukul> whitelion: okay, i looked up on google, and i guess you should stick to this.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-proprietary-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx
[06:40] <anukul> even for ubuntu studio
[06:40] <anukul> !contribute
[06:41] <SeriouslyLaugh> !ubuntustudio
[06:42] <whitelion> ok ..thanks ;)
[06:47] <whitelion> hey I tried.. it says that "error: Detected X Server version 'XServer 1.17.1_64a' is not supported. Supported versions are X.Org 6.9 or later, up to XServer 1.10 (default:v2:x86_64:lib:XServer 1.17.1_64a:none:3.19.0-25-lowlatency:)
[06:47] <whitelion> Installation will not proceed.
[06:47] <whitelion> "
[06:48] <anukul> whitelion: downgrade your XServer?
[06:48] <Redblue> I don't know what happened to my irc client but it took me Ages to reconnect. I'm now installing software Offline B)   Thanks anukul
[06:48] <noah> I can't get Spotify for Linux to launch any suggestions
[06:49] <anukul> noah: what's the problem?
[06:50] <hateball> noah: if try running it from a terminal, do you get any type of feedback?
[06:50] <hateball> !paste | noah
[06:50] <amrox253> how can i move my ext4 partition at beginning of the disk? There is no such option in gparted http://i.imgur.com/eA5nquq.png
[06:50] <SlidingHorn> Where might I find crash-related information if I'm logged into the failing machine via ssh other than /proc/kmsg & /var/log/syslog?  I'm following instructions from the following page to diagnose and got no indicators from either log: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[06:51] <whitelion> how can I do it? if I downgrade it then can I still  use sudo apt-get upgrade? or it will cause compatibility problems with the drivers?
[06:51] <hateball> amrox253: Resize the partition containing /. You cant do it while it is mounted so you need to boot from a live media
[06:52] <anukul> whitelion: i'd say stay on the latest build that is supported by your drivers.
[06:52] <whitelion> so I better stop upgrading?
[06:53] <anukul> stop upgrading xserver
[06:53] <whitelion> ok
[06:53] <whitelion> thanks a lot :)
[06:53] <anukul> :)
[06:55] <BLACKLIVESMATTER> IF YOU IS BLACK ND YU WANNA TALK BOUT RIL PROBLEMS TYPE /join #NIGGERCHANNEL
[07:03] <whitelion> hey do you know how can I downgrade XServer to  1.10?
[07:03] <whitelion> I found a toutorial but it's for arch and it use pacman, I have apt-get
[07:05] <anukul> whitelion: http://askubuntu.com/questions/23987/how-can-i-roll-back-xserver-xorg-core-and-xserver-common
[07:06] <whitelion> thanks
[07:07] <anukul> whitelion: also, take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2123983
[07:07] <anukul> whitelion: before downgrading :P
[07:29] <Guest27384> I'm planning build a new pc, just wonder does SupremeFX sound card on Asus mobo work out out box on ubuntu?
[07:46] <ubuntu384> hey! what package is good for text to speech synth on ubuntu
[07:53] <whitelion> hi there...what's the best video card I can buy for blender that has no compatibility problems with ubuntu?
[07:56] <SlidingHorn> Looking to diagnose a crashing issue - any logs other than kmsg, syslog & dmesg I should be watching?
[07:57] <anukul> whitelion: see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[07:58] <m0kc> hello all
[07:59] <m0kc> anyone awake?
[08:00] <nils_> m0kc, zZzZzZzZ
[08:00] <m0kc> right? O.o
[08:01] <nils_> just 5 more minutes!
[08:01] <m0kc> for?
[08:05] <memoryleak> Hi. I've installed 15.10 and I can see that there is no xorg.conf anymore. Where are now screen settings configured?
[08:25] <jiggerypokery> hello
[08:27] <jiggerypokery> 15.04 to 15.10 dist upgrade failed, now sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:27] <jiggerypokery>  throws the following errors http://pastebin.com/6ZsJeMGe
[08:28] <jiggerypokery> sudo apt-get -f install = same thing
[08:28] <jiggerypokery> what to do?
[08:36] <SlidingHorn> This is frustrating - Having a random X crash (pretty sure it's X) and not getting any information about it when I'm watching logs via ssh (kmsg, syslog & dmesg) - Any tips for other logs in which to look?
[08:41]  * SlidingHorn sighs @ all the netsplits
[09:12] <viktor> hello
[09:13] <s1906> 1
[09:14] <viktor> I think it's because I installed linux-image-4.2.0-generic from the repos yesterday, but my computer freezes and doesn't respond to anything at boot. I will boot to LiveUSB now, then what?
[09:16] <nbusrone> hi , anyone know what's the different formating and partition a new drive on Ubuntu using Gparted vs Windows 7 partition ? I tried with windows 7 full format and partition but it shows I have parted extra partition 3mb on the end of the hard drive.
[09:18] <OerHeks> nbusrone, that is always on every hdd, as the cache memory on the controller needs an adress too. it is not a partial sector or something like that, don't worry.
[09:22] <nbusrone> OerHeks : but formating on ubuntu NTFS is clean without any extra 3mb partition . I wonder what's the different ? tested with 2TB hard disk
[09:23] <viktor> hi
[09:23] <viktor> back from the computer
[09:25] <viktor> I installed linux-image-4.2.0-generic yesterday and I feel I missed installing something because my computer was not responding. I booted to LiveUSB. now what do I install?
[09:26] <viktor> when I chroot, uname -a shows 3.19.0-25-generic though
[09:26] <viktor> is it because I didn't mount /proc and friends?
[09:55] <SlidingHorn> ok...really going to bed this time.  One last try for those new in here or who've had the netsplits filling the room:
[09:55] <SlidingHorn> Installed xubuntu 15.10 (stay tuned...) - removed all GUI-related items (xfce, x, lightdm, etc.), then installed X, xdm & openbox. Having random crashes when running high resource stuff (chromium w/ video, regnum, etc.). kmsg, syslog & dmesg don't give any hints, and I can't log into it remotely via SSH after this crash (which makes me think it's not X). Machine is a new HP 15 - Pentium N3540, 2 GB RAM 2GB swap
[10:37] <kostas_> does anyone have experience with thin clients? I have an Intel I3 with 8GB Ram, 128 GB sdd and two Gbit ethernet cards! Can this setup support four thin clients at home? Thin clients will run office softwtare, web browers, video playback 720p and no games, just snes/mame/sega mega drive emulation... no video editing, no resource hungry software! is this a viable solution? any experience on performance?
[11:17] <lcmatt> On Ubuntu 15.10 is there any easier way to install 5.5 rather than having to compile from source?
[11:20] <Kartagis> is it possible to find out from what source (repository or ppa) this particular package came from?
[11:29] <anukul> for joining freenode server, which port should i connect to? i'm trying 6667 and it is failing.
[11:33] <Barxilinsay> How much more privacy do I have when I am using ubuntu vs Chrome OS or Windows?
[11:38] <mcphail> Kartagis: use "apt-cache policy packagename"
[11:39] <Kartagis> mcphail: isn't it weird that I, as a 14.04 user, have a 16.04 package on my system?
[11:40] <mcphail> Kartagis: you must have altered your sources or added a PPA
[11:41] <Kartagis> mcphail: the PPA I added these days was cinnamon's
[11:41] <mcphail> Kartagis: as soon as you add a PPA you lose control of your system
[11:42] <Kartagis> mcphail: I wouldn't have added it if ubuntu had cinnamon in the repos :)
[11:57] <Tam> Hello can someone help me with my wireless connection?
[12:05] <delt> Hello
[12:05] <delt> i'm having problems with NetworkManager
[12:06] <delt> (NetworkManager:22047): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[12:06] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[12:06] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[12:15] <ed_1> hi, i need help creating a virtual disc that links to a volume. i dont really understand it but i am trying to boot my old xp partition in ubuntu and it doesnt matter if it gets damaged, its already in the mess you may suspect
[12:16] <Extreminador> ed_1 check this mate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[12:17] <ikonia> ed_1: you should be able to point your virtual manager software at the physical partition
[12:17] <ikonia> that should be enough to boot it, assuming it's not damaged beyond boot
[12:17] <ed_1> ikonia: i cant see option for that in virtualbox
[12:18] <ikonia> it should be there
[12:18] <ikonia> just point it at /dev/sda2 or whatever your partition is
[12:19] <ed_1> i demands a virtual disk file, i read on web that you can add a link to a real disk inside that file
[12:20] <delt> the software updater begins downloading updates and just crashes. funb.
[12:20] <ikonia> ed_1: you could just dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/home/xp.img bs=4m
[12:20] <ikonia> but virtual box can boot a parttion
[12:21] <TJ-> ed_1: do you actually need to *boot* the XP OS, or just access its file-system?
[12:21] <ikonia> a better question
[12:22] <TJ-> ed_1: the reason I ask is Windows core driver profile is tied to the hardware it was originally installed on; if you try to boot it in a VM it could be problematic, or cause more problems in the actualy image (due to registry changes made to reflect the VM hardware profile)
[12:22] <momomo> how do you change gedit hotkeys ?
[12:23] <ed_1> i want to actually boot the partition in virtualbox (in safe mode as graphics and network prob wont work)
[12:23] <TJ-> momomo: by not asking in several channels at the same time!
[12:24] <TJ-> ed_1: you could use Qemu, e.g: "qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1G -boot menu=on -drive format=raw,media=disk,file=/dev/sda2"
[12:24] <ed_1> tj-: that i have read, can i set up vm as close to actual machine as possible? im on toughbook, and the xp part it original
[12:25] <TJ-> ed_1: actually, you'd need "...file=/dev/sda" there so it picks up the partition table
[12:26] <TJ-> ed_1: hypervisors generally only emulate a very limited older sub-set of hardware, usually the most commonly found, so it would be unusual to be able to match a particular motherboard profile exactly
[12:26] <ed_1> going a bit fast for me!
[12:26] <ikonia> it should be enough to boot safe mode though
[12:27] <ikonia> where you can recover the data you want
[12:27] <ikonia> eg: generic vga
[12:27] <obonto> 2 monitors with 2 parallel sessions going on at the same time on the same pc, go
[12:27] <TJ-> obonto: it is called 'multi-seat'
[12:27] <obonto> thx
[12:33] <ed_1> so going back to read documentation
[12:35] <ntz> hello
[12:36] <ntz> I don't have ubuntu here to test it but I need to inspect something on ubu kernel cfg ... can anybody from here with latest/lts ubuntu show me an output from this command (will be a link):
[12:36] <ntz> _paste() { _infile=/dev/stdin; test -z "$1" || _infile="$1"; curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < "$_infile"; }; _paste /boot/config-`uname -r`
[12:41] <Extreminador> when uploading the files using vsftpd how can i made for when i upload the files are readable to evreone ?
[12:41] <Extreminador> on other's access it's placing always with none previlege
[12:41] <ntz> depends how you upload the files
[12:42] <Extreminador> i am uploading using ftp with my account
[12:42] <ntz> if you use a sftp/ftp command you can use chmod/chown from interactive shell
[12:42] <Extreminador> yehh but i want ti to be automatic lool
[12:42] <Extreminador> when i upload using the ftp other's can read
[12:42] <TJ-> ntz: you can get any of the Ubuntu kernel configs directly from the source repo; for Trusty see http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git/tree/debian.master/config
[12:43] <Extreminador> think it must be something on the vsftpd.conf
[12:43] <ntz> TJ-: thanks !!!
[12:46] <ntz> Extreminador: change umask on server
[12:46] <Extreminador> ok will check that ty ntz
[12:48] <KlausedSource> Hello, any of you running Seafile (client)? I want to move my folder but can't without breaking links and / or other stuff related to it. In Dropbox and Owncloud you can do this with a wizard in the menu not in seafile. Any ideas?
[12:49] <delt> i'm having problems with NetworkManager
[12:49] <delt> (NetworkManager:22047): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[12:49] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[12:49] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[12:50] <foo357> Hello, how do I change the soft limit of max number of open files? "ulimit -S n" gives '1024' while "ulimit -H n" gives '4096'
[12:51] <ma77spag> hello
[12:52] <ntz> foo357: first read somewhere an essentials to understand, what is hard and what is soft limit ...
[12:53] <ntz> foo357: after that type `man bash' and type following characters without quotes: "/^\s+ulimit" and hit enter
[12:57] <ma77spag> For forum support is this the right channel?
[12:58] <ma77spag> #ubuntuforums said they are not for support but this one is.
[12:58] <delt> Hello
[12:58] <delt> i'm having problems with NetworkManager
[12:58] <delt> (NetworkManager:22047): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[12:58] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[12:58] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[12:59] <ma77spag> Well back to reading the forum rules, someone pm me if they think they can help. thanks
[13:00] <delt> [29422.959544] NetworkManager[7586]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fb6a9954f84 sp 00007fffb2b44f40 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.4600.2[7fb6a9925000+111000]
[13:02] <Extreminador> ntz in this particular case the vsftpd has an option for that to unmask
[13:03] <Extreminador> ntz ty for the tip
[13:09] <TJ-> !ask | ma77spag
[13:10] <bmx_> hello friends
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:21] <RNeville> Howdy
[13:24] <ma77spag> Thank you for the advice. Kinda new around here.
[13:25] <ma77spag> I sent a message through the contact us form on the forum. I'll wait until I get a response before I post any more about the issue.
[13:25]  * Kartagis shakes fist at those DDoS'ers
[13:32] <mfaroukg> I have some confusion in the network in the routing/firewall/msqrade .i want to configure port forward for IP <IP_ADDRESS> port 81 to port 8090 in IP <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:32] <mfaroukg> I am trying the iptables it works for the forwarding the laptop but when i use the same with IP cam it doesn't work....sorry i have none advanced knowledge for the networks and linux :(
[13:34] <bluenemo> I experienced a system crash this morning and noted these strange loglines in the syslog at the time of the crash: http://paste.debian.net/337470/  What could cause a log line to be printed with such a far away time stamp in the middle of the logs?
[13:39] <henkz> Hi all, does anyone have an idea why my swap is disabled after each rebot? I have to run gparted an select "swap on" to get it back
[13:39] <bartholomew> What are some dconf-editor settings I can change to increase security/privacy
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !swap | henkz
[13:43] <henkz> the thing is, I have the correct uuid in fstab, and I haven't changed anything since it stoped working
[13:43] <AsuraLie> hi，could any one tell me that why to truncate a file?
[13:49] <EriC^^> henkz: pastebin /etc/fstab and sudo blkid
[13:51] <bartholomew> What are some dconf-editor settings I can change to increase security/privacy
[13:53] <henkz> EriC^^, http://pastebin.com/NfVtfW2J  I have a few old disk connected as well which I dont use right now..
[13:56] <EriC^^> henkz: it looks good, when you boot free -m doesn't show the swap?
[13:58] <TheAmorphous> Any Linux network gurus available by chance?
[13:58] <cfhowlett> TheAmorphous, ##networking
[13:58] <TheAmorphous> Danke
[13:58] <cfhowlett> bite
[13:58] <cfhowlett> bitte
[13:59] <henkz> EriC^^, no I don't think it does, gnome system monitor does not show it, and the system runs to a crawl thats how i noticd it
[14:00] <EriC^^> henkz: ok, restart, then try free -m, if it doesn't show swap, try sudo swapon -a
[14:00] <EriC^^> and see if it mentions anything
[14:00] <EriC^^> try sudo swapon -av so it's verbose
[14:00] <mustard> ???
[14:00] <henkz> EriC^^, alright I'll do that later, thanks!
[14:02] <EriC^^> henkz: np
[14:02] <mustard> no people
[14:04] <lmj> Hi, I want to upgrade from 12.04. As I understand things, it is best to follow the upgrade path provided by update-manager, that is, upgrade to 12.10 first, and after that upgrade again, and so forth. Is that about right?
[14:04] <badbodh> EriC^^, don;t you have to mention which /dev/sd* to swapon ? assuming no fstab entry
[14:04] <lmj> The instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10 don't match what actually happens -- update-manager is only offering 12.10, not anything higher
[14:05] <EriC^^> badbodh: he has a fstab entry
[14:05] <lmj> So I'm crossing my fingers that after upgrading to 12.10, a new version will be offered by update-manager
[14:07] <ikonia> lmj: it won't
[14:08] <ikonia> lmj: 12.10 is EOL so won't be offered as the repos have been moved
[14:10] <lmj> ikonia: ok thanks, so it would seem update-manager cannot upgrade from 12.04. Thus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10 is wrong -- what should it say instead?
[14:10] <ikonia> lmj: what are you trying to upgrade to
[14:11] <TJ-> lmj: ensure 12.04 is fully up-to-date and that "update-manager-core" package is installed
[14:13] <lmj> ikonia: anything past 12.04 that is not EOL really. The main reason I'm upgrading is because the wireless rt3090 driver is screwed in 12.04.
[14:13] <badbodh> came across an instance once where blkid for swap partition was wrong in fstab, and swap didn't turn on
[14:13] <badbodh> check fstab entry with "blkid" output for mismatch?
[14:13] <badbodh> lmj, your upgrade manager will determine and let you know which ubuntu version to upgrade. if you checked "lts only" , you get 14.04, else whatever current version
[14:13] <badbodh> what does it show now ?
[14:13] <TJ-> lmj: check what this reports: "grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[14:14] <TJ-> lmj: it ought to be 'lts' but if it says 'normal' that explains why it's trying 12.10
[14:15] <ikonia> lmj: so 14.04 should be your upgrade path
[14:15] <lmj> TJ-: the grep returns nothing. I don't see where to check "lts only". Is it in update-manager?
[14:16] <TJ-> lmj: that explains part of the problem than. do "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | termbin.com 9999"
[14:16] <TJ-> lmj: sorry, typo there! do "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:17] <lmj> TJ-: that gives me the link http://termbin.com/artp
[14:17] <EriC^^> maybe he doesn't have it installed?
[14:18] <TJ-> lmj: which contains "prompt=normal" - not sure why it is a lowercase 'p' either
[14:18] <EriC^^> maybe he edited it manually
[14:18] <ikonia> is this even an ubuntu install ?
[14:18] <TJ-> lmj: "sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades "
[14:18] <lmj> TJ-: lowercase "prompt" gives me "prompt=normal" for the grep
[14:18] <ikonia> I've seen elementary and mint both screw up these sort of things
[14:19] <lmj> (I realize I could have passed -i, just following instructions exactly.)
[14:19] <ikonia> lmj: is this actually an ubuntu install, ? or is it some derivative, like mint or elemtentary
[14:19] <TJ-> lmj: right, I have a 12.04 example I'm looking at and it uses "Prompt=..."
[14:20] <lmj> ikonia: it's generic ubuntu, not even kubuntu or whatever
[14:20] <ikonia> so a standard default 12.04 ubuntu install
[14:20] <lmj> yes
[14:21] <lmj> it sounds like I just need to find where to check "lts only". Where is it supposed to be?
[14:21] <TJ-> lmj: after the 'sed' operation try "/usr/lib/update-manager/check-new-release"
[14:21] <TJ-> lmj: that 'sed' operation just wrote in the correct entry to the file
[14:22] <TJ-> lmj: you should see "New release '14.04.3 LTS' available."
[14:23] <lmj> this returns nothing: sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/i' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:23] <lmj> so does this: sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/i' /usr/lib/update-manager/check-new-release
[14:24] <lmj> (added the /i just in case)
[14:24] <TJ-> lmj: it is re-writing the file, no output expected
[14:25] <TJ-> lmj: "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" you'll see "Prompt=lts"
[14:25] <TJ-> lmj: and with that alternate command you just did you've potentially corrupted the check-new-release exectuable!
[14:25] <lmj> TJ-: ok re-launching update-manger now offeres 14.04.3! I think you did it!
[14:25] <lmj> thanks a bunch
[14:25] <TJ-> lmj:  I know I did it - but what did you do!?!
[14:27] <lmj> TJ-: I don't think I've ever launched update-manager before. I've only stuck with 12.04 and upgraded everything via 'apt-get update' / 'apt-get upgrade'
[14:28] <TJ-> lmj:   I meant by your adapting the command I gave you without understanding what it does! This "sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/i' /usr/lib/update-manager/check-new-release" will try to make changes to 'check-new-release' ! Consider yourself lucky the search phrase doesn't exist in that file, else you'd have broken it
[14:32] <lmj> TJ-: er, well we grepped it before, and I copied the file earlier anyway. The thing I don't understand is the "lts only" checkbox not existing -- is that supposed to be in upgrade-manager?
[14:37] <wizzkidd> im in a little predicament, my headless ubuntu server seems to have hung but is partially accessible.  Can anyone help me remotely reboot the server?  I can ping the box still,  I can no longer ssh to the box, I can start a xrdp session, but it freezes at authentication.  I have webmin installed which is accessible, but I cannot get to the "restart" section.  Has anyone got any ideas?
[14:37] <Zuly> \join#tls-sec
[14:37] <Zuly> \join #tls-sec
[14:38] <pike-c-code> someone able to tell my why this one creates a memory access violation? http://pastebin.com/RPATKzuS
[14:38] <pike-c-code> its in c
[14:40] <TJ-> pike-c-code: depends on the code-path, but you're not testing for new_elem == NULL before using it
[14:40] <TJ-> pike-c-code: when in doubt run it via a debugger so you can see the stack trace and interactively examine it
[14:40] <c0m0> you need to allocate memory for new element if the list is empty
[14:42] <pike-c-code> now i did this in another function
[14:42] <pike-c-code> this one just gets the new element and the first element
[14:42] <TJ-> pike-c-code: the ##programming channel is more apprpriate for that; this is for Ubuntu support
[14:42] <pike-c-code> yeah i asked there
[14:43] <pike-c-code> they're talking about midlife crisis or sth like this
[14:43] <pike-c-code> idk, but you might be much more helpful :D
[14:43] <pike-c-code> since i need to upload my correct tool within the next 17min
[14:44] <TJ-> you asked here before you asked there... and ##programming, or a C/C++ channel is the appropriate place
[14:44] <pike-c-code> :D
[14:44] <pike-c-code> yeah im in programming, c and ubuntu
[14:45] <TJ-> Good lesson in doing your homework before the deadlone
[14:45] <pike-c-code> XD
[14:45] <pike-c-code> yeah
[14:46] <pike-c-code> its not that important and only the last part of a big homework
[14:46] <pike-c-code> soooo it is no big trouble
[14:46] <daftykins> pike-c-code: take it to relevant channels then please
[15:11] <uxes> hello guys, i need some advice, i have a following issue with any *buntu (even mint), when i create usb bootable stick it works on my notebook with uefi, but when i want to boot from that on my pc that has no uefi, it just writes "Boot error"
[15:12] <TJ-> uxes: sounds like a known bug in syslinx bug 1507002
[15:12] <uxes> am,anybody out there?
[15:12] <uxes> aha, " You must enter a valid bug number! " on webpage
[15:14] <uxes> aha so, its impossible form e to boot latest ubuntu?
[15:14] <uxes> *is it impossible for me to boot latest ubuntu?
[15:15] <TJ-> uxes: I've got the fixed package for testing in a PPA at https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/bugfixes
[15:15] <TJ-> uxes: that has the syslinux package for 15.10
[15:17] <uxes> well thanks ill try something
[15:25] <bumblefuzz> so, if I use an external hard drive to dd the ubuntu iso to, how would that be different from using a USB?
[15:26] <Porfa> hello, can anyone enlighten me on a issue i never had before.. ? so, i changed computer, made a new fresh ubuntu 14.04 server install, everything is fine. NOW, i removed the physical HDD from the old box, putted it in the NEW one as a secundary drive, still not attemped to mount it or anything, but now i need to mount it, copy it’s data to the new drive and get it over with.. how can i mount another /root of another drive, in /OLDROOT for
[15:26] <Porfa> instance?
[15:27] <Porfa> should i just put it on the old box and copy over LAN? :/
[15:27] <Porfa> i see it in blkid
[15:27] <Porfa> but i can’t mount it.
[15:28] <daftykins> Porfa: are you typing from it now?
[15:28] <daftykins> Porfa: run "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[15:30] <Porfa> daftykins: http://termbin.com/na36
[15:30] <daftykins> ugh LVM
[15:31] <AnakinSky> hi, when I'm trying to connect to freenode IRC, i have to run irssi as sudo. otherwise it's not connecting. what am I doing wrong?
[15:31] <Porfa> it’s a brand new box, i can format it and do it all over again if LVM is such issue (sorry, i have no good knowledge of linux, i just like to have my own local physical server for development)
[15:31] <mekhami> teward: you around?
[15:31] <daftykins> Porfa: nah it's fine, i just don't have any first hand experience with LVM setups
[15:32] <daftykins> Porfa: all you need to do is "sudo mount -t ext4 <something> /mnt" but as it's LVM i don't know what that <something> is :D
[15:32] <daftykins> Porfa: i suspect it's what you saw from blkid though perhaps
[15:32] <Porfa> maybe blkid will tell me?
[15:32] <Porfa> yeah ok
[15:32] <Porfa> i’ll try that :)
[15:33] <daftykins> maybe i'll make LVM a personal lesson this holiday
[15:35] <jpds> daftykins: wut, what have you been using for the last few years?
[15:35] <teward> mekhami: for a short while, but pinging individual persons is usually bad form if you have a question (Just ask the channel instead)
[15:35] <Li> I'm having long wasted time on trying to mount ntfs (rw) file on ubuntu claiming it was not safely bla bla .. I found some answers about using ntfsfix but didn't really work out for me .. are there any other suggestion?
[15:35] <Porfa> daftykins: worked perfectly, thank you for that “-t ext4 “ i had it before, but without that, didn’t wotk i thought it would detect the FS automaticly! im browsing the file system as we speak thanks again! :)
[15:35] <daftykins> Porfa: np :)
[15:35] <teward> Li: boot to a Windows install disk, run chkdisk or chkdsk
[15:35] <zykotick9> AnakinSky: are your irssi saving in your user's account, or roots?  if you run "less ~/.irssi/config" do you see freenode under the servers heading with your password etc?
[15:36] <daftykins> Li: can you tell us whether it's a storage only volume, or from a working or broken Windows installation?
[15:36] <Li> suggestions that not including booting up windows8 and shut it down properly.
[15:36] <daftykins> why not boot? is it broken?
[15:36] <Li> daftykins: I like the feeling that I can do anything from linux without having to reboot
[15:36] <Li> maybe I"m wrong but I believe so
[15:37] <Li> besides it's on the different hdd
[15:37] <daftykins> so it's just stubbornness?
[15:37] <daftykins> there's a very good reason why it's refusing to mount it as-is
[15:37] <Li> so i will have to replace hdds which is annoying process
[15:38] <daftykins> replace? for what reason?
[15:38] <Li> daftykins: aside from the fact that I'm really stubborn, but that is not the reason ... I just don't wanna close all open stuff on my pc
[15:38] <Li> daftykins: the partition on a different hdd
[15:39] <daftykins> sorry i don't follow you there at all
[15:39] <Li> daftykins: the partition belongs to a brand new installed window 8.1
[15:39] <daftykins> when you want to mount the OS partition of a Windows install as rw from Linux, and that Windows is v8 or v10 with hybrid shutdown, you should issue "shutdown -s -t 1" before booting into the Linux :)
[15:39] <daftykins> that doesn't help you now, but it will for future reference
[15:40] <Li> daftykins: I knew that after the fact :(
[15:40] <Li> but let's face it now .. why linux isn't able to mout it? I don't mind losing the hiberfil.sys
[15:41] <Li> I didn't have anything on that partition
[15:41] <daftykins> well, show us the mount commands you've been trying so far and their error output
[15:41] <TJ-> Li: Windows didn't finalise the file-system so it's in an indeterminate state, until Windows has flushed cache stored in the hibernation file and played out the journal log
[15:41] <daftykins> why do you even need to do it if it's a clean install o0
[15:42] <Li> daftykins: i wanted to use that hdd as temp storage
[15:42] <OerHeks> win8.1 .. sounds like exfat to me, that would not mount automaticly, use fuse for that > sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[15:42] <daftykins> Li: then the answer is to close those programs and do it properly :)
[15:43] <daftykins> OerHeks: not if it's the win8 install partition
[15:44] <Li> daftykins: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/sdc1 /media/xxx/
[15:44] <Li> Failed to mount '/dev/sdc1': Operation not permitted
[15:45] <daftykins> yeah, sorry i don't really like to enable stubborn approaches
[15:46] <Li> I really don't like the fact that linux can't fix this !!!!
[15:46] <Li> many people suggested sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdxx and I tried but it didn't really work
[15:46] <daftykins> it can, it just isn't wise to do it
[15:46] <daftykins> TJ-: told you why it can't :)
[15:47] <Li> daftykins: WTF is stubborn approaches?
[15:47] <daftykins> you refusing to just reboot and sort it out properly
[15:47] <TJ-> Li: fine... so go hack some code together to add the functionality - that's the freedom of open source. In the process you'll learn its so difficult an issue its best left to Windows
[15:47] <Li> I don't need to explain myself to you, so if you don't want to help just relax and back off
[15:47] <daftykins> the time you wasted on this you could've reopened those programs already :)
[15:48] <daftykins> i think you might want to calm down there.
[15:48] <Li> TJ-: nice suggest ... I will give it a try propably
[15:49] <Li> daftykins: whatever
[15:58] <rosanna> hello
[15:58] <rosanna> exit
[15:59] <AlexPortable> rosanna: exit?
[15:59] <daftykins> a failed "/quit"
[15:59] <AlexPortable> how do I install openbox on a bare install?
[15:59] <AlexPortable> like to get a DE
[15:59] <daftykins> find the package if it's in the repos.
[15:59] <AlexPortable> i installed openbox
[15:59] <AlexPortable> but at boot i still get the cli
[16:00] <daftykins> well you need a greeter and to set it auto start, if you installed mini/server
[16:01] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: does "startx" start openbox right now?  PS technically openbox is a WM, not a DE.
[16:01] <daftykins> you can't use startx i don't think.
[16:01] <daftykins> often it errors, then folks use sudo and trash the permissions on their /home
[16:01] <AlexPortable> startx worked
[16:02] <daftykins> check what greeter it is
[16:02] <AlexPortable> but how do I install stuf now?
[16:03] <AlexPortable> i dont have a terminal in openbox
[16:03] <daftykins> look it up
[16:04] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: see if xterm can be manually run (i'd be surprised if you have Xorg installed without it, but it's possible)
[16:05] <AlexPortable> well i have a gui
[16:05] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox
[16:06] <AlexPortable> "Right-click and you will get a small menu. Select terminal emulator, and from that you can start any other program."
[16:06] <daftykins> so menu.xml needs to be checked for which terminal the context menu is trying to run, if you've tried that
[16:06] <AlexPortable> unable to start child process x-terminal-emulator
[16:06] <daftykins> right so you need to install that...
[16:10] <AlexPortable> how?
[16:10] <AlexPortable> E: Package x-terminal-emulator has no installation candidate
[16:11] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: x-terminal-emulator is the alternatives system, just install any xorg terminal emulator (from the repo) and it _should_ start working.  xterm, rxvt, etc...
[16:11] <trisquel> <3 rxvt
[16:12] <trisquel> nicest term i know
[16:12] <zykotick9> trisquel: well rxvt-unicode-256color <3 ;)
[16:13] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: fyi, while like trisquel i use rxvt, you _might_ not want to try it... other terms are a lot easier to setup... YMMV
[16:15] <AlexPortable> thx
[16:16] <sudo3> hello, i have dnsmasq where i addedd zone mypage.com, it works well but when i go to secure.mypage.com then dnsmasq is resolving via google dns, i even addedd zone secure.mypage.com but it still resolves via google dns, do anyone know how to fix it?
[16:19] <daftykins> sudo3: either hardcode all subdomains you're likely to use, or work out how to use a wildcard i guess
[16:20] <teward> ^ that
[16:22] <newke> i have xubuntu 15.10 installed and every time i turn on computer, i hear a noise from pulse audio. its like i would power on old lamp amplifier. its so annyoing. where can i find information how to fix it?
[16:22] <newke> i believe its pulseaudio...
[16:25] <zykotick9> trisquel: may i PM you?
[16:26] <trisquel> zykotick9, sure
[16:26] <jake__> hey all
[16:32] <jophish> For some reason ubuntu is not booting to the display manager any more and I've run out of things to try
[16:33] <ikonia> what does the X server logs say
[16:33] <ikonia> is it trying to even start it ?
[16:33] <jophish> I've reinstalled lightdm and gdm, reinstalled nouveau and the nvidia drivers too
[16:34] <jophish> ikonia: sorry, one second just starting tmux so I can paste the log
[16:35] <jophish> https://gist.github.com/5b6823c12a5cd147151b
[16:35] <jophish> ikonia: ^
[16:35] <ikonia> I didn't ask for the log
[16:35] <ikonia> I asked was it even trying to start it ? what did the log say was wron g?
[16:36] <AbuDhar> guys
[16:36] <AbuDhar> I am so exciting about the Ubuntu phone
[16:36] <AbuDhar> what is their channel?
[16:36] <SchrodingersScat> !phone
[16:37] <AbuDhar> thanks
[16:37] <SchrodingersScat> !botsnack
[16:37] <SchrodingersScat> aw
[16:42] <taza79> Hello, how can I install Ubuntu without touching the Windows boatloader and MBR?
[16:44] <taza79> I want that when I desinstall Ubuntu I will get Winows like it Ubuntu was never installed and I don't want to restore by myself the Windows boatloader.
[16:45] <taza79> join #xubuntu
[16:45] <ikonia> taza79: your best bet is to do a standard ubuntu install
[16:46] <ikonia> let it install grub onto the MBR - use that to manage windows/ubuntu, if you want to remove ubuntu, delete the ubuntu partition and use the windows recovery shell to put the windows boot loader back on the disk
[16:46] <ikonia> it's clean and easy
[16:47] <taza79> ikonia: thanks but it's not what is asked... is there any other solution? like maybe to install grub in another partition or something
[16:48] <ikonia> you can put grub onto another partition sure
[16:48] <ikonia> but then how do you tell your motherboard to boot that partition, not the mbr
[16:48] <ikonia> hence why I'm advising you the easiest option for you
[16:52] <macsurf> hello
[16:52] <macsurf> is there any program instead of tcpdump for regular user ? because tcpdump required super user privilagers ?
[16:53] <daftykins> macsurf: a user cannot perform that action.
[16:54] <macsurf> daftykins: yes but user can open all ports above 1024
[16:54] <macsurf> only ports below 1024 are reserved for super user
[16:55] <SchrodingersScat> macsurf: I don't think that's the same as being able to monitor traffic.  Best solution I've found is to give access via sudoers, but that's like my opinion.
[16:55] <daftykins> yes but packet packet interception has nothing to do with port ranges
[16:55] <daftykins> -packet
[16:56] <macsurf> I thought that any software can open all ports above 1024 if is open by regular user
[16:56] <macsurf> I am sorry for my english
[16:57] <macsurf> so if I will write program for regular user and this software will reserve port above 1024 then should be everythink ok with privilages
[16:57] <daftykins> packet capture is not binding to ports
[16:57] <AlexPortable> Which tweaks are there for ssds?
[16:58] <daftykins> AlexPortable: you really ought to at least *try* to look things up before you come here.
[16:58] <dbugger> Hey guys
[16:59] <dbugger> I was wondering. Is there any "hard" benefit of upgrading from 14.04 to 15.10
[16:59] <dbugger> ?
[16:59] <daftykins> desktop system? nope just wasted time imo
[16:59] <daftykins> depends how new your system is
[17:00] <zykotick9> dbugger: warning, the upgrade would actually be 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10... might be a lot faster/easier to wait for 16.04 so you can just do 14.04 -> 16.04
[17:03] <finetundra> Hey folks, how would I add skins to amarok that I download from something liek KDE look?
[17:04] <daftykins> don't they provide a guide?
[17:04] <finetundra> daftykins: who?
[17:04] <daftykins> amarok, or the site you got it from... or the file you downloaded...
[17:05] <finetundra> daftykins: no instructions on the download page, I'll go look at the amarok site
[17:08] <steven> does anyone know an app that allows me to kill another application if it used to much resources?
[17:08] <jophish> hmm, now it just hangs on the splash screen
[17:09] <tilpner> How can I lie to dpkg about the presence of a package? Alternatively: Why do 32-bit nouveau drivers take precedence over nvidia-current?
[17:09] <Guest16081> ah, raise network interfaces
[17:09] <jophish__> failed to start wait for all auto
[17:10] <jophish__> today has been a nightmare, why is everything broken :(
[17:10] <daftykins> tilpner: nvidia-current hasn't been relevant for ages, just nvidia-### is best, for the specific version. Why do you say 32-bit? is the host 32-bit?
[17:10] <daftykins> jophish__: do you have a support question that can be phrase as such? :)
[17:10] <daftykins> *phrased
[17:10] <jophish__> daftykins: I rebooted my computer, and x won't start
[17:11] <daftykins> what changed, did you just update? or upgrade?
[17:11] <jophish__> every so often when I reboot it trying to debug a fix, I have to wait 5 minutes because of some network thing
[17:11] <jophish__> daftykins: probably, the computer had been turned on for weeks
[17:11] <finexbeer> hi
[17:11] <jophish__> but it crashed, so I did REISUB and now I have this mess
[17:11] <tilpner> daftykins - You're right, it's actually nvidia-352. It's a 64 bit host, but I need to run 32 bit software (LPL suite with custom 32 bit java).
[17:12] <jophish__> oh gosh, now the cli isn't even working
[17:12] <daftykins> jophish__: try booting with "quiet splash" removed from the boot parameters
[17:12] <jophish__> text flashing everywhere
[17:12] <finexbeer> what is the diffrent from ubuntu and ubuntu studio
[17:12] <daftykins> tilpner: you can't install 32-bit drivers then o0
[17:12] <finexbeer> ??
[17:12] <daftykins> !studio
[17:13] <tilpner> daftykins - I can actually, and it works until I reboot. That's not a good solution though.
[17:13] <troulouliou_div2> hi can i still install / upgrade a 8.04 ubuntu if i install this old version
[17:13] <AlexPortable> daftykins: I did, but most information seems outdated
[17:14] <finexbeer> thants
[17:14] <daftykins> tilpner: maybe you put them on but it's using the 64-bit module anyway; what are you using to verify the driver in use? what graphics hardware is this for?
[17:14] <daftykins> troulouliou_div2: we very, very strongly advise not using EOL releases, but if you need it for some kind of ancient work/dev purposes, then the repos can be renamed to old-releases.ubuntu.com to function still
[17:14] <troulouliou_div2> daftykins, ok thanks
[17:15] <daftykins> !eol | troulouliou_div2 i think these links will be of use too
[17:15] <troulouliou_div2> daftykins, jsut nned to compil a program for an applicance ruinning on that version
[17:15] <jophish__> daftykins: xorg.0.log shows that it's not loading the nvidia driver correctly, in syslog it's showing the nvidia driver tainting the kernel
[17:15] <daftykins> troulouliou_div2: ok :) someone that can't upgrade?
[17:16] <daftykins> jophish__: which nvidia hardware is in there? is it one that won't work with nouveau?
[17:16] <tilpner> daftykins - I don't know how to verify that, but if they're installed it doesn't reach the login screen, while I can login after uninstalling them.
[17:16] <jophish__> daftykins: I don't know, 435m I think it works with nouveau
[17:16] <daftykins> tilpner: can you share an "lspci" ? sounds like hybrid graphics
[17:16] <tilpner> daftykins - Yes, it is hybrid graphics, and everythings working fine for 64 bit software.
[17:17] <daftykins> jophish__: ok so you're in the same boat, hybrid graphics yeah? i would boot to the recovery option, root console, remount the disk as read+write, purge nvidia* then reinstall nvidia-352 and nvidia-prime
[17:17] <tilpner> daftykins - The package I need to install requires libglu1-mesa:i386, which indirectly depends on 32 bit nouveau drivers.
[17:17] <jophish__> daftykins: I'm fairly sure I've tried that (not from recovery mode though)
[17:17] <jophish__> I'll try again
[17:17] <daftykins> i'm no dev but i don't see that working on a 64-bit host
[17:18] <daftykins> jophish__: well, try booting with nvidia* fully purged to start with :)
[17:18] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get purge nvidia* "
[17:18] <jophish__> yup, booting now
[17:18] <jophish__> ah, "the system is running in low graphics mode"
[17:18] <tilpner> daftykins - Therefore, my options are either modifying the package definition, or faking their presence. At least... it's the first thing that comes to my mind, I'll have to see how it works out.
[17:19] <jophish__> hmm, Xorg.0.log still tries to load the nvidia driver
[17:19] <daftykins> jophish__: check the timestamp on the log to be sure that's actually a current one
[17:20] <davidsha> Quick Question, does the current version of pciutils support libkmod?
[17:20] <zykotick9> jophish__: verify if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... if so, you might want to try moving it to xorg.conf.backup
[17:21] <daftykins> davidsha: define 'current', multiple versions of ubuntu are still in support right now :)
[17:21] <jophish__> good thinking daftykins, it was from 8 minutes ago
[17:21] <jophish__> zykotick9: blimey, I don't have one
[17:21] <zykotick9> jophish__: good!
[17:21] <jophish__> I have a stack of backups
[17:22] <jophish__> zykotick9: is it ok not to have one?
[17:22] <daftykins> you don't need one
[17:22] <jophish__> oh, good
[17:22] <daftykins> jophish__: can you get a working terminal or TTY right now?
[17:22] <davidsha_> daftykins: the one for Ubuntu 14.04, pciutils 3.1.9 I believe.
[17:22] <jophish__> daftykins: yeah, that's fine now
[17:22] <zykotick9> jophish__: for none propritary drivers it's almost never needed these days.
[17:23] <daftykins> jophish__: run "sudo apt-get -f install" to be sure nothing's waiting, "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link
[17:23] <jophish__> on tty7 I have the message: "nouveau E[PBUS][...] MMIO write of 0x.. FAULT
[17:23] <davidsha_> daftykins: I've read the fedora version supports it but I haven't seen anything about Ubuntu supporting it.
[17:24] <daftykins> jophish__: mmm sounds like nouveau is in use but doesn't support the hardware too well; as well as the above can you share "cat /etc/issue" ?
[17:24] <daftykins> davidsha_: that one's beyond me i'm afraid, just thought i'd clarify version :)
[17:24] <daftykins> !info pciutils trusty
[17:24] <tilpner> zykotick9 - Without any tweaking, the performance difference between nouveau and nvidia was 7:20 for me, and then there's CUDA...
[17:25] <tilpner> *ratio
[17:25] <disposable> i've just installed 14.04 in virtualbox with EFI enabled. now i'm stuck at grub prompt with no menu. i created sda1 EFIboot partition (256MB, bootable) and sda2 for root filesystem. when i boot off rescue disk, i can see uuid of /dev/sda1 in fstab as /boot/efi and grub-efi-amd64 is installed (i've even done grub-install /dev/sda). have i missed something important?
[17:25] <tilpner> (Though my benchmarking method probably was severely flawed)
[17:25] <jophish__> daftykins: http://termbin.com/9s5g for /etc/issue
[17:25] <davidsha_> daftykins: Last question! Have I tagged this bug right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pciutils/+bug/1516095
[17:25] <finexbeer_> what is better ubunt or the oders ubuntu (studio, mate....)?
[17:26] <jophish__> there was no output for dpkg -l | grep nvidia, davidsha_
[17:26] <jophish__> daftykins: *
[17:27] <daftykins> davidsha_: no experience with bug reporting i'm afraid, i think there might be a launchpad channel though
[17:27] <disposable> finexbeer_: teh difference is only in the packages that get installed by default. e.g. studio will come with lots of content creation software installed by default.
[17:27] <daftykins> jophish__: ah ok, 15.10 - i've not seen anyone i've tried to help get 15.10 working with hybrid nvidia yet :(
[17:27] <jophish__> oh :/
[17:27] <jophish__> I've been running 15.10 for a while
[17:27] <suprkain> new to ubuntu, what irc client should I use?
[17:27] <zykotick9> jophish__: could you check nouveau is NOT listed when you run "grep ^blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf"
[17:28] <davidsha_> daftykins: Ok, thanks I'll have a look for it!
[17:28] <daftykins> suprkain: whatever one you like, hexchat for GUI... irssi for terminal perhaps
[17:28] <suprkain> daftykins: thanks
[17:28] <jophish__> zykotick9: nouveau isn't listed
[17:28] <zykotick9> jophish__: ok, that's good.
[17:28] <daftykins> jophish__: and the other command?
[17:29] <jophish__> daftykins: /etc/issue?
[17:29] <jophish__> oh, dpkg -l | grep nvidia. there was no output
[17:29] <daftykins> cool
[17:30] <daftykins> jophish__: check you're all current with a "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[17:30] <jophish__> daftykins: will do
[17:30] <daftykins> jophish__: oh and a share of an "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" wouldn't hurt
[17:30] <tilpner> Are you trying to use nouveau or the proprietary driver?
[17:31] <jophish__> tilpner: either!
[17:31] <jophish__> ideally nvidia though
[17:31] <jophish__> daftykins: lspci: http://termbin.com/lrjq
[17:31] <tilpner> jophish__ - I reinstalled Ubuntu twice today, and it's working with NVidia/Intel proprietary drivers now, mostly.
[17:31] <jophish__> daftykins: nothing new to install with dist-upgrade
[17:32] <daftykins> hmm ok GT 750M
[17:32] <tilpner> jophish__ - That means, this stupid 32 bit software won't work, but I've got CUDA working.
[17:32] <jophish__> apt whines about linux 4.2.0-16 no longer being required
[17:32] <daftykins> jophish__: and your "uname -r" ? single line so you can paste it here direct
[17:32] <jophish__> 4.2.0-18-generic
[17:33] <daftykins> jophish__: "sudo apt-get clean" then "sudo apt install nvidia-352 nvidia-prime"
[17:33] <daftykins> unless you know you've done that before, that's what *should* work
[17:33] <jophish__> tilpner: worst case scenario I'll look into 15.04 again. there's some unity behavior in 15.10 which I don't like and can't configure :/
[17:34] <jophish__> daftykins: I'm fairly sure this won't work :)
[17:34] <jophish__> I'll try again just to be totally sure
[17:34] <tilpner> jophish__ - I don't see why it wouldn't work with 15.10, if it can work with 15.04. :/
[17:34] <zykotick9> daftykins: <sidenote> with the "apt" command dist-upgrade isn't even in my man page?  full-upgrade certainly is!  also, i'm not 100% sure, but i believe "apt upgrade" _will_ install new packages, like the old "apt-get dist-upgrade" (it just won't remove!).
[17:34] <daftykins> well 15.10 has brought about a lot of surprises for sure
[17:35] <tilpner> I wouldn't know, didn't use Ubuntu in a long time. :c
[17:35] <daftykins> zykotick9: i keep using it because i'm a terrible person, but it's apt full-upgrade now i believe
[17:35] <zykotick9> daftykins: hehe
[17:35] <daftykins> still getting used to stopping myself from typing apt-get from muscle memory; )
[17:36] <jophish__> rebooting now
[17:36] <daftykins> jophish__: did you watch the output to see if the module was built correctly for the running kernel? :>
[17:37] <jophish__> daftykins: yeah, I didn't see any errors
[17:37] <zykotick9> daftykins: i like the colours... other than that "pretty much the same" ;)
[17:37] <daftykins> zykotick9: but the progress bar!
[17:37] <nasanzero_> hi all .whay is a good app to monitor network usage ?
[17:37] <daftykins> jophish__: ok, if it fails i'd check the X.org log again but its' timestamp first
[17:38] <jophish__> is the file creation time reliable for that?
[17:38] <jophish__> daftykins: back to "low graphics mode"
[17:38] <daftykins> what make and model is this thing?
[17:38] <tilpner> jophish__ - Did you install nvidia-modprobe?
[17:38] <jophish__> but this time the mouse works :)
[17:38] <daftykins> please don't say mac... please don't say mac...
[17:39] <jophish__> daftykins: dell xps something
[17:39] <jophish__> tilpner: no
[17:39] <jophish__> unless it was a dependency of nvidia-prime or nvidia-352
[17:39] <tilpner> jophish__ - Well, it didn't work for me without that.
[17:39] <daftykins> tilpner: deps handle all that is required
[17:39] <daftykins> unless there's a packaging bug in Wily
[17:39] <tilpner> All I know is, that I had to manually install that.
[17:40] <EriC^^> daftykins: :D
[17:40] <EriC^^> mac...aroni and cheese
[17:40] <daftykins> :D
[17:41] <jophish__> tilpner: modprobe made no difference
[17:41] <TJ-> tilpner: that's a CUDA BOINC speicific dependency; nothing to do with regular desktop nvidia driver requirements
[17:41] <jophish__> daftykins: no new xorg log was created
[17:41] <jophish__> I'll startx manually
[17:41] <daftykins> just don't use sudo or you'll trash your home permissions
[17:41] <MonkeyDust> MacBeth
[17:43] <tilpner> TJ- - Okay, then I must've confused that. I was trying to get both to work... Sorry, jophish__.
[17:43] <jophish__> tilpner: no worries
[17:43] <jophish__> I've got to go now :(
[17:43] <jophish__> thanks for the help daftykins, tilpner, zykotick9
[17:44] <TJ-> jophish__: if you're using 15.10, use the systemd logging tool "journalctl -u lightdm.service"
[18:11] <gagalicious> i did select boot recovery option from my ubuntu but it still hangs at "Creating Disk Array..." (repeating this line multiple times... not sure when it will end) how do i jump into interactive mode and disable its creating disk array part? i did CTRL+C, doesnt work at the "creating disk array" part
[18:11] <gagalicious> any remedies?
[18:11] <daftykins> do you run some form of RAID?
[18:14] <gagalicious> yes but i removed the drives for the raaid
[18:15] <gagalicious> actually coz my previous computer doesnt work and when i put the drives to my new computer, it doesnt work ... "creating disk array"...
[18:15] <daftykins> gagalicious: are fstab entries still present perhaps? or mdadm config still expecting them?
[18:15] <daftykins> hang on - so it's not just a broken boot, you've moved some RAID disks into another system?
[18:16] <daftykins> might be worth telling this story from the beginning in a http://paste.ubuntu.com :)
[18:17] <Extreminador> is it possible to make an iso of the system has it is atm (with all the software), ti install it later and be ann configured and with the siftware (if needed) or that is not very usual to do ?
[18:19] <Tashtari> Extreminador:  I can't claim a great deal of experience with it, but there's a program called mondoarchive that I believe does what you're looking for.
[18:20] <Extreminador> humm Tashtari thanks
[18:21] <daftykins> Extreminador: one of the guys is always talking about !aptoncd too, not sure if it applies or helps
[18:22] <Extreminador> worth checking always thanks daftykins
[18:23] <TJ-> gagalicious: sounds like the initial ramdisk config still has mdadm.conf in there
[18:24] <asd__> Hi guys anybody from US? I would like to know if this is a working day for you guys or not? Since yesterday was thanksgiving and all that...
[18:24] <trisquel> mdadm? sounds like a drug
[18:25] <Tashtari> asd__:  It depends on your employer.  Anyone in retail you can expect will be working today, but I suspect most others have it off.
[18:26] <asd__> Tashtari, Thanks.
[18:27] <Tashtari> If you didn't already know, the day after Thanksgiving (which always falls on a Thursday) is called Black Friday, which marks the start of the christmas shopping season and is marked by sales all over the place - which is why retail employees will certainly be working today.
[18:28] <daftykins> asd__: use a chat channel in future please
[18:29] <Guest40612> hi
[18:30] <Guest40612> hi
[18:30] <Guest40612> fff
[18:44] <TheAmorphous> Can anyone tell me why all of a sudden I'm seeing transfer rates to/from my Ubuntu box at 1/10th what they normally are?  Inter-LAN transfers, internet downloads, even RAID to SSD on the same Ubuntu box, it's all super slow suddenly.
[18:44] <littlebear> asd__: nope, but since all emergency IT still work
[18:44] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: do you see any packet loss?
[18:45] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: I recall that SSD can't sustain RW at 500MBPS
[18:46] <TheAmorphous> Normally I get around 100MBps from the array on this box.  Now I'm getting exactly 11.1MBps.
[18:46] <TheAmorphous> Internet downloads on 100Mb connection are usually 9-10MBps.  They're exactly 1.1MBps now.
[18:46] <TheAmorphous> Hardware seems to be fine.  No SMART errors on anything.  Put an old SSD with a new installation of Ubuntu in (without the array) and everything transfers fine.  So it's not the NIC or the switch.
[18:52] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: watch 'wa' in 'top' and try older kernels
[18:52] <TheAmorphous> What's 'wa'?  top looks completely normal...
[18:54] <AnimalFarmPig> Anyone using Zentyl/eBox with a 14.04 server install? How do you like it?
[18:54] <daftykins> IO wait
[18:54] <TheAmorphous> Showing 0.0%
[18:54] <daftykins> during a transfer?
[18:54] <TheAmorphous> Yes, I just started a LAN transfer
[18:54] <AnimalFarmPig> I tried a Turnkey Zentyal appliance a while back, and it looked a bit more "full featured" than I needed, but looks like the default Ubuntu install is fairly conservative
[18:54] <TheAmorphous> Still 0.0%
[18:55] <daftykins> ok so then try older kernels
[18:55] <TheAmorphous> Will do, thanks
[18:55] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: is it 15.10 btw?
[18:56] <Safa_[A_boy]> Hello. I'm trying to mount a multisession CD using "sudo mount /dev/sr1 diskTest/ -o session=0", but it gives me "mount: /dev/sr1: can't read superblock" after saying it's write-protected
[18:58] <TheAmorphous> I'm running 13.something LTS
[19:00] <ubuntu505> Hello all
[19:00] <ubuntu505> anyone here is or is this channel dead like #ubuntu-gnome?
[19:01]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:01] <guest10121> Does anyone know if there is an app that will change the splash screens?
[19:02] <ubuntu505> guest10121: I think these channels are worthless, no body answers or you must have to say some secret phrase to get anyone to give a $hit.
[19:03]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:03] <daftykins> ubuntu505: you waited 2 minutes before giving attitude and repeating, now i will not reply at all.
[19:04] <TheAmorphous> daftykins: Loading 3.2.0-91-generic didn't make any difference.  Was running -95.
[19:04] <ubuntu505> Nobody even said hello or anything, not a friendly place, your response is lacking surprise.
[19:04] <UnwantedAngel> hello
[19:04] <UnwantedAngel> god said be good
[19:04] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: no more to choose from? so 12.04, pretty ancient
[19:05] <ubuntu505> whatever I have to do to get an answer I will do, if it means keep asking the question until someone arrives with an answer or help so be it.
[19:05] <TheAmorphous> Ahh yeah, 12.04 apparently.  I can go back as far as -88 it looks like.
[19:05] <daftykins> !repeat | ubuntu505 no, follow the rules
[19:06] <ubuntu505> I did search those places and was unable to find a clear answer
[19:06] <TheAmorphous> I've been scared of upgrading because I have a RAID5 array built using mdadm that took me forever to get working properly.  I'm terrified of losing it.
[19:06] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: it's a shame you may not be sure of how it was when it worked, as you could've maybe made some comparisons
[19:06] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: right but you wisely use a dedicated disk for the OS, so the RAID is pure storage yeah?
[19:06] <Guest13011> freenode
[19:06] <ubuntu505> I said Hello at first, do the rules also specify that nbody should response so I don't even know if my network works too?
[19:07] <TheAmorphous> Yes, OS is running on an SSD.  Array is 4 HDDs.
[19:07]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:07] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: cool, so you could boot 14.04 desktop live media, install mdadm - see your array mounts fine, then consider installing the server version of that
[19:07] <OerHeks> oh dear, i am glad i do not run ubuntu-gnome but unity
[19:08] <TheAmorphous> No chance of mdadm overwriting superblocks or messing up the array in any other way?
[19:08] <daftykins> OerHeks: :D agreed
[19:08] <ubuntu505> unity is insecure with all its lense crapola I hear
[19:08] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: i don't see why it would write anything without being instructed to do so
[19:08] <TheAmorphous> So I'd just tell mdadm to rebuild the array under a new installation and it gets all the data it needs from those 4 HDDs?
[19:08] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: fwiw i also manage RAID setups under server and use the above approach for version migration happily
[19:09] <daftykins> you don't need to rebuild at all, the RAID volume is perfectly happy as it is - you just install mdadm tools within the new install, the volume becomes visible, you add it to /etc/fstab and job done
[19:09] <daftykins> but then all of this is assuming 14.04 even performs any different for you from a live session :)
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> Okay, I'll definitely keep that in mind if I can't figure out what's going on with this installation.  Thanks.
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> .clear
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> Well, I installed whatever the newest version is (15.10?) on an old SSD
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> And I was getting good transfers to and from it
[19:10] <daftykins> yeah, don't run non-LTS though
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> Yeah I just grabbed the first thing I found to test on another SSD
[19:11] <daftykins> *nod* :)
[19:11] <TheAmorphous> This is by far the strangest problem I've run into since I started dabbling in Linux a few years ago
[19:12]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:12] <MoPac> Hello. I've been wondering for a while what is going on with the unity dash search when I pull it up and start typing. There doesn't seem to be any consistent behavior, especially from the "home" tab. Sometimes it is near-instant and sometimes crawls. Sometimes it's finding both apps and files (desired), sometimes only one.
[19:12] <MoPac> And often, I can start (or even finish) typing the name of something (especially an app), and it won't be found -- indefinitely. But if I backspace a character or two, suddenly it may show up -- even though all the characters were a perfect match. Is this kind of behavior common?
[19:14] <TheAmorphous> daftykins: Would it matter if the new install is Debian and not Ubuntu?  mdadm shouldn't care, right?
[19:14] <daftykins> no, but don't feel you'll have any easier of a life over there.
[19:15] <TheAmorphous> Not easier, but I want to be exposed to more flavors
[19:15] <daftykins> what do you mean?
[19:15] <TheAmorphous> And not quite ready to delve into some of the more difficult ones
[19:15] <daftykins> you know ubuntu is debian based so you'd essentially be changing the label and nothing else right? :)
[19:15] <TheAmorphous> Yup
[19:16] <daftykins> if you enjoy debugging that system then go for it, but i'd keep my distro experimentation and exploration to VMs personally
[19:16] <TheAmorphous> Maybe you have a point
[19:16] <TheAmorphous> 15.10 already looked completely different anyway.  Some new desktop environment I'd never seen before.
[19:16] <daftykins> probably unity if you grabbed the standard ubuntu variant
[19:17] <daftykins> what do you run on your desktop? or is this RAID system both a server + desktop?
[19:17] <TheAmorphous> Must've been.  I think I'm using Xorg currently on 12.04.
[19:17] <TheAmorphous> It's headless, but I VNC into it occasionally
[19:17]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:18] <martman> ernerd
[19:18] <rypervenche> TheAmorphous: Headless means it doesn't have a GUI.
[19:18] <TheAmorphous> Ahh, I thought that meant no monitor attached
[19:18] <daftykins> it can be either.
[19:18] <R7677> Hi! The latest update for Nvidia drivers broke my gui. I get only black screen
[19:18] <daftykins> R7677: so roll back :)
[19:19] <R7677> How do I do that?
[19:19] <daftykins> what ubuntu is this? i.e. version number? what's your graphics hardware? how did you just 'update' to a newer?
[19:21] <rypervenche> TheAmorphous: And check my PM for a little more information.
[19:21]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:23] <R7677> Sorry, it is 15,10 64 bit I am using the standard propertary drivers, the -update version. The graphics card is Nvidia Geforce 970 GTX. There was a update that came in last two weeks via the update manager, the description was saying it is fixing some security holes I think.
[19:24] <SlidingHorn> Installed xubuntu 15.10 (stay tuned...) - removed all GUI-related items (xfce, x, lightdm, etc.), then installed X, xdm & openbox. Having random crashes when running high resource stuff (chromium w/ video, regnum, etc.). kmsg, syslog & dmesg don't give any hints, and I can't log into it remotely via SSH after this crash (which makes me think it's not X). Machine is a new HP 15 - Pentium N3540, 2 GB RAM 2GB swap
[19:24] <R7677> *it should be around two weeks ago
[19:24] <SlidingHorn> are there other logs that might help me diagnose this?
[19:24] <daftykins> R7677: ok, are you typing from another device right now?
[19:25] <R7677> no, dual booting  sorry
[19:26] <R7677> I'll get another computer and come back.
[19:26] <daftykins> R7677: that's fine, just wondered for multi tasking of instructions :) ok what i'd do is boot into recovery mode, purge all nvidia packages, then reinstall
[19:26] <daftykins> does said PC use wifi or wired LAN to get online?
[19:26]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:26] <R7677> I can get to console np via ctrl F1
[19:27] <daftykins> R7677: ah good stuff, from there check if you're online with something like "ping google.com"
[19:27] <R7677> I am
[19:27] <R7677> I know
[19:27] <R7677> I tested it
[19:27] <daftykins> R7677: ok run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia* && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install nvidia-352"
[19:27] <daftykins> note the * which is very important
[19:29] <daftykins> R7677: i've got to head out but i think you should be set with the above, plenty of other volunteers about if not :)
[19:29] <R7677> OK
[19:29] <R7677> Thank you a lot!
[19:29] <daftykins> np :)
[19:30] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: in the worse case you can do dd=if and see if writing directly to your array have ok persistent speed, then use a network flood test to see network issue, then if it's neither check the software then check hardware
[19:30] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: the amount of debugging is kinda large xD
[19:31] <R7677> Another question for anyone that would know, what about the ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa?
[19:31] <R7677> Is it worth installing?
[19:31] <fearnothing> hi folks, anyone in here use audacity?
[19:31]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:32] <fearnothing> I'm having a bit of trouble, just trying to set up a computer for my parents and need something that can do pitch shifts on audio. Audacity looked like the best result, but it won't launch without sudo
[19:32] <fearnothing> anyone encountered this?
[19:33] <littlebear> fearnothing: can't you edit visudo and put NOPASSWD
[19:33] <littlebear> then write a audicity.sh that calls sudo /usr/bin/audicity or something similar
[19:34] <akik> fearnothing: what error do you get starting audacity without sudo?
[19:36] <akik> fearnothing: there are lots of things you could check about your setup at http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Linux_Issues
[19:37] <TheAmorphous> littlebear: It definitely doesn't seem to be a network issue as transfers to/from the local SSD and RAID are also really slow.  Also, when I put an old SSD in with a new installation of Ubuntu transfers to/from it were fine over the LAN.
[19:37]  * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:37] <SlidingHorn> !patience | ubuntu505
[19:38] <SlidingHorn> ubuntu505, what icon are you talking about?  Could you please describe it?
[19:38] <ubuntu505> sure! Its a small left to right pop-out tray of some sort
[19:38] <ubuntu505> it has blueproximity in it
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu505  or show a screenshot, on imgur.com
[19:38] <OerHeks> there is a whole reddit post about that, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/32byhw/gnome_316_remove_message_tray_on_bottom_left_of/ without solution
[19:39] <ubuntu505> yeah I read that but was not sure they were talking about the same problem I was having
[19:39] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: the only thing I can think of is maybe mdadm reports that you are rebuilding the array hence the slow transfer or it wasn't configurered correctly? Not sure
[19:40] <ubuntu505> TheAmorphous: have you played around with ZFS for linux? Might be worth looking at it
[19:40] <TheAmorphous> mdadm is reporting everything is "clean"
[19:40] <TheAmorphous> Hah, I was actually just reading up on ZFS
[19:40] <TheAmorphous> The hardware requirements seem crazy for negligible benefits on a home media server
[19:40] <ubuntu505> It allows you to move the entire FS to an external HD then remove the internal one, then you could upgrade and "add it and move it back" after
[19:41] <ubuntu505> Is there a solution for the remove_message_tray issue?
[19:41] <ubuntu505> Where did it come from? I never had a tray like that before
[19:41] <TheAmorphous> After discussing with daftykins and rypervenche I think I've narrowed my options down to 1.) installing new Ubuntu on a different SSD and re-mounting the existing RAID array, or 2.) building a whole new box with new drives and transferring everything over.
[19:41] <ubuntu505> and ubuntu-gnome "live" does not have it
[19:42] <ubuntu505> TheAmorphous: might I suggest something?
[19:42] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: before I give up, what RAID are you running, 5,6 or 10?
[19:42] <TheAmorphous> 2. seems to be the safest and most surefire way of not having further issues.  Kinda pricy though.
[19:42] <ubuntu505> TheAmorphous: How big is your raid (in GBs)
[19:42] <TheAmorphous> RAID5 via mdadm
[19:42] <TheAmorphous> 12TB total, 9 usuable under RAID5
[19:42] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: hm. RAID5 let me google to see if there's anything on a failed parity
[19:43] <littlebear> afaik RAID5 only have 1 parity whereas raid 6 have 2 parity
[19:43] <ubuntu505> Do you have a full backup of it on tape or alternate DASD devices?
[19:43] <TheAmorphous> A RAID issue wouldn't cause the SSD to have transfer rate issues too right?
[19:43] <TheAmorphous> No backups, no
[19:43] <ubuntu505> This is the first problem you must resolve! :)
[19:43] <TheAmorphous> The strangest part about this is I'm on a 100mb internet connection but can only download at 1.1MBps on that box now.  I usually get 9-10MBps.
[19:44] <MonkeyDust> TheAmorphous  always have a backup, even if you don't need it immediately
[19:44] <TheAmorphous> LAN transfers are usually 100MBps, but cap at exactly 11.1MBps now
[19:44] <fearnothing> akik: #audacity people recommend not using audacity on linux :P
[19:44] <rypervenche> TheAmorphous: RAID is not a backup solution. You shourd invest in backups if the data is valuable to you.
[19:44] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: that box? so even in ramdisk /tmp it's still stuck at 1.1Mbps?
[19:44] <fearnothing> that said, does anyone have a suggestion for a decent alternative that allows you to pitch shift audio files?
[19:44] <ubuntu505> 100MBps is theoretical and all network hardware has its own specs/implementations
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> No, I mean I literally used to get 100MBps real world transfers from that box to the SSD on my desktop over a gigabit LAN
[19:45] <ubuntu505> anyone know how to solve my message tray problem??
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> Now I get 11.1MBps
[19:45] <ubuntu505> or why it doesn't exist in the ubuntu-gnome live environment??
[19:45] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: how are you transferring it? try aria2c and do parallel dl
[19:45] <akik> fearnothing: you didn't provide any error message. it starts fine without sudo
[19:45] <fearnothing> it doesn't give an error
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> Just copying to a Windows box from a Samba share
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> same way I always have
[19:45] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: hm. Windows ...
[19:46] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu505  ask every 10-15 minutes or so, not every minute, until someone enters who can help
[19:46] <fearnothing> if I try starting from command line it just has an empty line with no prompt, no cursor
[19:46] <TheAmorphous> I've also tried copying from this Ubuntu box to an HTPC running Openelec (Linux)
[19:46] <fearnothing> no messages or errors
[19:46] <ubuntu505> I learned a nice rule from my maid recently...always tell customers: "I don't do Windows"...
[19:46] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: on windows, do you have a filezilla or winscp and can use ssh to download it without samba
[19:46] <littlebear> I just wanted to isolate windows from the equation xD
[19:46] <TheAmorphous> Well right now my primary concern is download speeds
[19:47] <UnwantedAngel> kiss kiss bang bang
[19:47] <TheAmorphous> Downloading large files for work (or from anywhere) to that Ubuntu box directly used to get 9-10MBps on a 100Mb internet connection.  Now they download at exactly 1.1MBps.
[19:47] <ubuntu505> The first thing I am curious about is what difference there is between the ubuntu-gnome "live" environment that this try never shows up
[19:47] <ubuntu505> very odd
[19:47] <ubuntu505> then I could remove the package causing it?
[19:48] <akik> fearnothing: if you run "aplay /usr/share/sounds/pop.wav" do you hear it?
[19:48] <TheAmorphous> When I ran the newer version of Ubuntu on an old SSD I was able to download at 10MBps again.
[19:48] <ubuntu505> try hdparm -I /dev/sdd_device
[19:48] <ubuntu505> look at the results from both the old and new variants of Ubuntu
[19:48] <fearnothing> akik, gimme a minute, will test
[19:48] <ubuntu505> are they both putting the device in the same mode?
[19:48] <akik> fearnothing: i guess it's a permission change at some point as it needs root access in your case
[19:48] <ubuntu505> sudo hdparm -I etc...
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey! Running Ubuntu 15.10 here, NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE. I can't get X to work for beans... I feel like the problem is the NVIDIA driver I installed. How can I revert it back to Nouveau without the GUI?
[19:50] <bekks> SonikkuAmerica: How did you install the driver?
[19:50] <SonikkuAmerica> bekks: I used the jockey plugin from software-properties-gtk (the "Additional Drivers" tab in Software and Updates)
[19:51] <bekks> SonikkuAmerica: Then you can use apt-get and uninstall the driver, using a console.
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> bekks: Got it. (How that never occurred to me, I don't think I'll ever now.)
[19:51] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[19:53] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: the other thing I can think of is if you are using any sort of firewall that ratelimit it
[19:53] <TheAmorphous> No firewall, now.  All of this started last weekend, and I hadn't made any changes.
[19:53] <LobsterAttack> Hello.