[01:27] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[01:27] <laga> so.
[01:27] <tgm4883_laptop> how goes it FatDave
[01:27] <laga> i've just added mythweb auth support to the control centre. \o/
[01:31] <FatDave> i'm not bad.  I have a xorg log with the error in it
[01:31] <FatDave> and I know you must be dying to see it :)
[01:31] <tgm4883_laptop> alright, lets see it
[01:31] <FatDave>  http://pastebin.com/m5c55e543
[01:32] <laga> you need to install the correct version of nvidia-glx
[01:32] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, and you installed the proprietary driver?
[01:33] <FatDave> i installed the restricted drivers.  nvidia-glx
[01:33] <laga> oh.
[01:33] <FatDave> thats what they told me to do in #ubuntu
[01:33] <laga> looks like it's loading the nvidia GLX but there's no nvidia X driver.
[01:33] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[01:33] <laga> that's odd
[01:33] <tgm4883_laptop> what card again?
[01:33] <laga> please put your xorg.conf up somewhere
[01:33] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, lets see xorg.conf
[01:33] <FatDave> should be in that log somewhere
[01:34] <FatDave> the card that is
[01:34] <tgm4883_laptop> I'd bet I know the issue
[01:34] <laga> would be easier if you just told us
[01:34] <tgm4883_laptop> lets see xorg.conf
[01:34] <laga> after staring into the intarwebs for 12 hours, it gets hard to make out detail in text :>
[01:34] <laga> i bet it's not using the nvidia driver in xorg.conf
[01:34] <tgm4883_laptop> line 255
[01:35] <FatDave> I can't get to the xorg.conf for a bit.  First I have to regen it, since it gets overwritten every time I reboot.  then I can post it on paste bin.  My wife is freaking out over some damn sex in the city preview :P
[01:35] <laga> it's really awesome that nvidia ships their own glx/gl libs.
[01:35] <FatDave> i'll get it asap though
[01:35] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[01:35] <tgm4883_laptop> FatDave needs to learn about ssh
[01:36] <FatDave> i know about it.  its just not enabled on that box right now :)
[01:36] <FatDave> oh.  whats with the vnc server thing in myth-centre?
[01:37] <laga> superm1: back?
[01:37] <FatDave> I enabled that once and it wouldn't let me log in.  gave authentication errors
[01:37] <laga> file a bug :)
[01:37] <FatDave> then I turned it off and the built in gnome desktop vino wouldn't work
[01:38] <FatDave> what language do you guys use for all this crap?
[01:38] <FatDave> just curious as I'm a software engineer myself
[01:38] <laga> german, mostly
[01:38] <laga> oh
[01:38] <laga> python, pytk and glade
[01:38] <laga> for the control centre
[01:38] <FatDave> python!  rad
[01:39] <FatDave> I wrote cgipy.py back in my college years
[01:39] <FatDave> www.cgipy.org
[01:40] <FatDave> its just a cgi.pm clone for python
[01:40] <laga> nift
[01:40] <laga> y
[01:40] <FatDave> since the built in cgi python stuff was lacking a bit
[01:40] <laga> you dont wanna help us with the control centre by any chance? :)
[01:40] <chuk> if not using mythbuntu ISO, what is the proper way to install mythbuntu?
[01:41] <chuk> just get the control center?
[01:41] <chuk> and go from there?
[01:41] <laga> yes
[01:41] <FatDave> I would not be apposed to helping.  but i've never worked on a linux dist. before
[01:41] <laga> FatDave: oh, the control centre is easy to understand
[01:41] <FatDave> so their might be a little bit of learning involved is all I mean :)
[01:41] <laga> heh
[01:42] <FatDave> you guys using svn or anything?
[01:42] <laga> we mostly use bzr
[01:42] <laga> wait a a second
[01:42] <laga> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu
[01:42] <laga> ^^ that's most of our code
[01:43] <FatDave> oh.  wife is done.  i'll get that conf now.....
[01:44] <laga> god, i wish launchpad was more intuitive for me
[01:45] <laga> FatDave: if you wanna help us a bit, you should talk to superm1. he knows that's there to do. mostly small tasks since we're getting ready for a release :)
[01:45] <laga> i gotta go to bed now, 1:40am here
[01:45] <laga> have a nice day
[01:45] <FatDave> ok.  i'll try and catch up with him
[01:45] <FatDave> gnight
[01:46] <FatDave> http://pastebin.com/d385cf5dd
[01:47] <laga> superm1: ok, mythweb auth is working in the control centre. it's a big rough still because it#s not using the save/restore framework. i'll fix that tomorrow and add some dpkg-reconfigure magi
[01:47] <laga> interesting. you are using the nvidia driver.. :/
[01:48] <laga> anyways, tgm4883_laptop will need to take over now. i'm out
[01:48] <FatDave> ok.  thanks :)
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> whats this say
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> glxinfo | grep direct
[01:51] <FatDave> damn machine is hosed....gotta reboot it
[01:54] <FatDave> i can't figure out how we got it to work that one time yesterday !  :D
[01:59] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[02:00] <FatDave> well, keep in mind that i'm running on the nv driver right now
[02:01] <FatDave> Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:01] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[02:02] <FatDave> it seems i have more kernel updates.  will that blow away my lirc again?
[02:02] <tgm4883_laptop> im not really sure why it blew it away in the first place, unless the kernel modules were not available when you upgraded
[02:03] <tgm4883_laptop> lirc should be able to handle being upgraded
[02:04] <FatDave> could be.  i don't know how that -386 kernel got installed in the first place.  probably some bad addition to the sources.list that I made
[02:04] <tgm4883_laptop> very strange
[02:04] <tgm4883_laptop> any exotic hardware?
[02:05] <FatDave> nope.  its a box that is a couple of years old even
[02:06] <FatDave> but i haven't seen that -386 kernel come up again.  so its probably something that i screwed up.  I won't worry about that for now
[02:08] <FatDave> i'm mostly just wanting to get the nvidia drivers to work
[02:08] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[02:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and we are on the nv driver now
[02:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and the nvidia-glx driver is installed
[02:09] <tgm4883_laptop> and this is an install from ubuntu gutsy or mythbuntu
[02:11] <FatDave> gutsy
[02:11] <FatDave> i'll tell you my order of ops
[02:11] <FatDave> i installed from gutsy iso
[02:11] <FatDave> then did all the updates
[02:11] <tgm4883_laptop> which cd did you download?
[02:12] <FatDave> then enabled the restricted driver
[02:12] <FatDave> then installed myth centre
[02:12] <FatDave> uh....let me look
[02:13] <FatDave> PC (Intel x86) desktop CD
[02:13] <FatDave> i think i downloaded that one
[02:13] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[02:15] <tgm4883_laptop> give me the output of lspci and uname -a again
[02:17] <FatDave> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce
[02:17] <FatDave>  GPU]  (rev a3)
[02:17] <FatDave> Linux mythtv1 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sat Sep 22 18:14:28 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[02:20] <FatDave> weird huh
[02:20] <FatDave> its like my system just doesn't want to play nice
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest30> i have a problem I was hoping someone could help me out with?
[02:22] <tgm4883_laptop> very weird
[02:22] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, whats the problem
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> FatDave, were using the nv driver now?
[02:23] <MythbuntuGuest30> well, there are two things, i don't know if they're related or not...
[02:23] <FatDave> yup
[02:23] <FatDave> i can't get X running with the nvidia driver
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> FatDave, what was the nvidia-glx driver giving you trouble with that we switched back
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> error messages?
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest30> 1. when I try and schedule a recording in mythweb or through the tv like normal, my selections never stick
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest30> the shows never get recorded, never show as be scheduled to be recorded
[02:25] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, error messages?
[02:25] <MythbuntuGuest30> 2. mythtv will kick me out of what I'm doing periodically and take me back to the main myth menu. watching live tv or a dvd after about 20 minutes or so. this is a BE/FE system
[02:25] <MythbuntuGuest30> any ideas?
[02:31] <FatDave> were you asking me about error messages tgm?
[02:32] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[02:32] <tgm4883_laptop> both you and MythbuntuGuest30
[02:32] <FatDave> oh.  sorry.  just the errors posted in that first pastebin xorg.log
[02:36] <tgm4883_laptop> you get those errors when you use the nvidia-glx driver?
[02:37] <FatDave> ya.  those errors are when my xorg.conf looks like the one I pasted on pastebin
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest30> i don't get anything really other than "writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, are you able to schedule from the frontend?
[02:44] <MythbuntuGuest30> nope
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, is this a standard mythbuntu install?
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop> FatDave, you have an nvidia mx onboard right
[02:46] <FatDave> ya
[02:46] <MythbuntuGuest30> it's the alpha 4 release, freshly reinstalled. I reinstalled hoping to fix, but the same problem has come up
[02:54] <tgm4883_laptop> FatDave, what updates are available regarding xserver or nvidia
[02:54] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, is this on a new db?
[02:55] <FatDave> none.  just today's kernels
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, can you start the frontend from a terminal, then watch some tv or try to schedule a program.  Hopefully it will show an error that you can post
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, also, can you pastebin your /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[03:00] <tgm4883_laptop> FatDave, i'm not trying to pawn you off, but you might want to poke around in #ubuntu+1 as this seems to be an issue with Ubuntu and your hardware.  You might also want to file a bug report against it
[03:00] <FatDave> ok.  i've never posted a bug report though
[03:00] <FatDave> I don't really know how to do it
[03:01] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, wel poke around in #ubuntu+1 first, they may have an answer for you
[03:01] <FatDave> ok. thanks for trying
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest30> sorry, i was off googleing the problem, i'll give it a shot
[03:10] <superm1> i'm back
[03:10] <superm1> whoops looks like laga wanted me earlier
[03:10] <superm1> i'll have to merge his changes here and see how it looks :)
[03:13] <superm1> um laga, you commited them right? Tree is up to date at revision 50.
[03:14] <FatDave> hey tgm.  one more question
[03:14] <FatDave> i have a hauppauge 500
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:14] <FatDave> when i'm recording something and watching live tv, i don't hear sound.  what did i forget to do?
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have sound outside of mythtv?
[03:15] <FatDave> i think so.  and i have sound in mythtv when I'm only using one of the tuners
[03:15] <FatDave> and i was just watching a dvd from inside mythtv (using totem i think) and that had sound
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have sound with just watching live tv?
[03:16] <FatDave> i do.  but only if the other tuner isn't recording something
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, comments on this issue and the pvr-500?
[03:16] <superm1> probalby the most bzr thing i've heard?
[03:16] <superm1> try playing back your recordings?
[03:16] <FatDave> its might be something dumb like i forgot to enable sound for the second tuner or something
[03:17] <superm1> are there sounds there?
[03:17] <FatDave> i'll try and play a recording
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, can you record on both at the same time and then try watching and making sure both have sound
[03:18] <FatDave> yup.  sound in the recording
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> in both?
[03:22] <FatDave> no sound on second recording
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> and your using your tuners on both, not composite?
[03:24] <FatDave> ya.  tuners
[03:24] <FatDave> sorry i'm such a headache for you guys :)  hehe
[03:25] <superm1> bad card?
[03:27] <FatDave> cripes.  that better not be it
[03:28] <FatDave> i'll ask in #mythtv-users
[03:33] <FatDave> hm.  if my memory serves, was there a package called ivtv-controls or something like that?
[03:33] <superm1> you mean ivtv-utils
[03:34] <FatDave> yea.  maybe that.  whats that do?  i've been reading some forums and it appears that maybe my second tuner is muted
[03:34] <superm1> but i mean the default settings for the tuners is to have audio enabled
[03:34] <superm1> there is a utility that ships with that that may let you try to unmute it (if that's the case)
[03:34] <superm1> but if it is, i dont know how it would have been
[03:36] <FatDave> is ivtv-utilities ivtvctl?
[03:37] <superm1> its a utility that ships in the package
[03:37] <superm1> yes
[03:38] <FatDave> its also going to install libconfig-inifiles-perl, and libvideo-ivtv-perl
[04:08] <FatDave> how do i find out the version of my ivtv drivers?
[04:08] <superm1> its in dmesg
[04:09] <FatDave> gutsy comes with 1.0.0?  does that sound right?
[04:10] <superm1> [79258.036000]  ivtv:  version 1.0.0 (2.6.22-12-generic SMP mod_unload 586 ) loading
[04:10] <superm1> sounds right
[04:13] <FatDave> is there a freenode room for ivtv?
[04:13] <FatDave> found it
[04:17] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[04:18] <superm1> bendailey, he's likely in bed already
[04:18] <superm1> as its roughly 3:20am by him
[04:18] <bendailey> superm1: thanks
[04:19] <bendailey> superm1: is Daviey the build host for the isos? is that why we are pointing cdimages at him?
[04:19] <superm1> bendailey, but if you can update the dns for uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org to <IP_ADDRESS>, i'd appreciate that
[04:19] <superm1> i'm gonna setup the rest of the box later tonight for it
[04:19] <superm1> bendailey, that is the canonical host
[04:19] <superm1> that we just got
[04:19] <superm1> so it will take a majority of the leg work i expect
[04:19] <bendailey> ok understand
[04:20] <bendailey> do we have bandwidth restrictions there?
[04:20] <superm1> the build host will end up either being that uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org ip i gave you, or another server from frink_
[04:20] <superm1> i don't believe there are bw restrictions there
[04:21] <superm1> in your script are you going to account for BW restrictions to keep servers from being chosen completely as they get near their (known) limits, or is it just going to be for weighting which servers are chosen?
[04:21] <bendailey> I was planning on doing weighting based on bandwidth allocation so in theory all servers would run out of bandwidth at the same time :)
[04:23] <superm1> ah cool
[04:23] <bendailey> superm1: uk is updated and cdimages is created and both resolve correctly for me
[04:23] <superm1> okay cool.
[04:23] <bendailey> are there going to be multiple uk mirrors?
[04:23] <superm1> well cdimages. is in the UK too
[04:24] <superm1> we'll have to see where our demographic comes from mostly at the announce of the next cd
[04:24] <superm1> to figure out where we need more mirrors
[04:24] <superm1> so we'll see what google analytics spits out info wise
[04:24] <bendailey> superm1: we should end up with some decent logs in mysql for the number of hits each mirror take and for what files
[04:25] <superm1> bendailey, do you have an account setup with our google analytics?
[04:25] <superm1> it monitors that already for us
[04:25] <bendailey> I can also set it up to record country code and/or ip address
[04:25] <superm1> oh with which server is chosen
[04:25] <superm1> no we dont see that
[04:25] <superm1> but the hits and where they come from we see
[04:26] <bendailey> superm1: would it be helpful to see the info paired?
[04:27] <superm1> well personally i dont think so
[04:27] <bendailey> request ip/country, file(s) download and serving mirror
[04:27] <superm1> i mean it's probably not worth the extra effort
[04:27] <superm1> but the requesting location and serving mirror can probably be useful
[04:28] <bendailey> superm1: not a problem I will attempt KISS
[04:28] <superm1> google analytics will at least show the requesting location for every click
[04:28] <superm1> which is probably the most important part
[04:29] <dwestendorf> hey
[04:30] <dwestendorf> anyone around to help me out?
[04:30] <FatDave> hm.  superm1.  i see you've tried to help someone on the upbuntu forums with the same problem I have
[04:30] <bendailey> I have a google account what does it take to get into anaylytics
[04:30] <superm1> bendailey, i think i've got your info in my google chat, let me add you to the analytics account
[04:30] <superm1> FatDave, have i now?
[04:30] <bendailey> dwestendorf: helo
[04:30] <superm1> FatDave, what's the issue you're having exactly?
[04:30] <bendailey> dwestendorf: hello
[04:31] <superm1> !ask | dwestendorf
[04:31] <ubotu> dwestendorf: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:31] <FatDave> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=392301
[04:31] <dwestendorf> lol good point, waste of time
[04:31] <superm1> FatDave, so your issue is something related to errors with firmware loading?
[04:32] <superm1> FatDave, can you pastebin your dmesg output?
[04:32] <superm1> !pastebin | FatDave
[04:32] <ubotu> FatDave: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:32] <dwestendorf> ok, i've been getting kicked out of live tv and dvd's
[04:32] <superm1> "kicked out"?
[04:33] <dwestendorf> i ran the frontend from the command line and pasted the info at: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/38515
[04:33] <dwestendorf> yeah, bumping me out to the main menu
[04:33] <dwestendorf> in this case, completely kicking me out of the frontend
[04:35] <FatDave> is there a way to select all lines in vi?
[04:35] <superm1> are your recordings really in /media/media/recordings ?
[04:35] <dwestendorf> in my mythbackend.log i'm getting a lot of writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket errors
[04:35] <dwestendorf> yes they are
[04:35] <superm1> FatDave, well really only need the info between the two blocks of START IVTV and END IVTV
[04:36] <dwestendorf> it's an lvm mounted in /media/media  (i know, bad naming)
[04:36] <superm1> dwestendorf, well so can you see if say /media/media/recordings/1037_20070924174757.mpg really exists?
[04:36] <superm1> or if any filed are actually there?
[04:36] <superm1> *files
[04:36] <dwestendorf> oh sure
[04:36] <superm1> bendailey, okay visit http://www.google.com/analytics
[04:36] <superm1> and you should see our account there when you log in
[04:36] <dwestendorf> yes it's in there
[04:37] <superm1> bendailey, and once your logged in, if you choose the "View Reports", and then Goals section
[04:37] <superm1> you can see how many people download ISOs
[04:37] <bendailey> superm1: sweet thanks
[04:37] <superm1> and it shows a lot of stuff
[04:37] <superm1> you'll see
[04:38] <superm1> dwestendorf, can you check /var/lib/mythtv/mythbackend.log?
[04:38] <superm1> is it having similar issues?
[04:38] <dwestendorf> nope, nothing in there similarly, just a bunch of the above mentioned errors
[04:39] <dwestendorf> is similarly even a word? lol
[04:39] <FatDave> superm1: http://pastebin.com/d3b9a5ef3
[04:39] <bendailey> gtg
[04:40] <superm1> dwestendorf, something funky is setup here then.
[04:40] <superm1> are these on the same box?
[04:40] <superm1> they seem to be
[04:40] <superm1> but are they?
[04:40] <dwestendorf> yes they are on the same box
[04:43] <superm1> FatDave, that log looks good
[04:43] <superm1> no errors i see
[04:43] <FatDave> correct
[04:45] <FatDave> i'm seeing posts all over about how these cards come set up wrong for ntsc. i just can't figure out how to change the settings!  haha
[04:47] <dwestendorf> i'm also having another problem that i mentioned here earlier that may be related...
[04:48] <superm1> dwestendorf, did that problem with kicking you out start randomly?
[04:48] <superm1> as in things worked for a bit?
[04:48] <dwestendorf> i can't schedule recordings. i can make my selections, but nothing gets saved, nothing ever gets recorded
[04:48] <superm1> this sounds like a broken database
[04:49] <dwestendorf> I just reinstalled yesterday, so no it didn't work for long
[04:49] <dwestendorf> is there a way to drop the db then bring up a new one?
[04:49] <superm1> yeah
[04:50] <superm1> look up the syntax for dropping a database in google
[04:50] <dwestendorf> ok no problem
[04:50] <dwestendorf> then just create a new one and point mythtv towards it? or do i need to import tables or anything?
[04:52] <FatDave> wonder if disabling the sound server would fix it?
[04:52] <superm1> well the new one should be made when you start mythtv-setup
[04:52] <superm1> FatDave, doubtful, if the issue is in the recordings
[04:53] <superm1> dwestendorf, and if its not, you can just reinstall mythtv-database
[04:53] <superm1> and it will recreate it
[04:54] <dwestendorf> ok, let me give that a shot!
[04:56] <FatDave> well, only on that one tuner though.  so all signs point to it being muted, if I could just figure out how to play with that setting
[04:59] <Netslayer> where is mythfrontend started from? i need to add a log output to it
[05:04] <FatDave> well, good news is that the kernel update didn't break anything more than it already was :)
[05:07] <FatDave> superm1, did you already take a look at my nvidia problem?
[05:07] <FatDave> i can't remember
[05:07] <dwestendorf> i did a kernel update earlier that was corrupt, now my system has a broken kernel package that i can't get rid of....
[05:08] <FatDave> undo would be nice right about now then eh?
[05:08] <FatDave> can't you boot into your previous kernel?
[05:09] <dwestendorf> yeah, i'm in my previous kernel, but synaptic sees the broken package and won't let me install anything else until its fixed. of course fixing the broken package doesn't work either...
[05:09] <dwestendorf> undo would be nice...
[05:14] <dwestendorf> superm1, I dropped the DB, then recreated a new one, and it's still kicking me out
[05:16] <dwestendorf> well, the recording issue is fixed
[05:16] <dwestendorf> i can schedule recordings, but it kicks me out of the frontend after a few seconds....
[05:17] <superm1> dwestendorf, did you ever install another package (from source or anything like that)
[05:17] <superm1> or from a third party repo?
[05:17] <dwestendorf> um.... some dvd codecs, but other than that no
[05:22] <superm1> okay well from what repo though
[05:23] <superm1> because if its also keeping a libmyth or something there
[05:23] <dwestendorf> something media....
[05:23] <superm1> debian multimedia?
[05:23] <dwestendorf> let me check....
[05:23] <dwestendorf> nope.... it was the one recommended on the ubuntu site for restricted formats
[05:24] <superm1> okay medibuntu
[05:24] <dwestendorf> yeah!
[05:29] <dwestendorf> any bad packages in there that you know of?
[05:36] <superm1> no
[05:36] <superm1> all of those should be okay
[05:36] <superm1> those are all supported
[05:36] <superm1> i'm wondering what else can be causing your segfaults though
[05:39] <dwestendorf> i'm clueless....
[05:40] <superm1> can you open up synaptic, and see if there are any items listed in the 'local packages' subsection?
[05:40] <dwestendorf> sure, one sec
[05:43] <FatDave> superm1, look at the first section on this page about the interrupts.  Thats what my xorg.log says.  any ideas how to do what it suggests?  Its an onboard card.  http://http.download.nvidia.com/freebsd/1.0-9629/README/chapter-05.html
[05:44] <dwestendorf> i'm not seeing a local packages subsection... you mean on the left along with all, base system etc right?
[05:47] <superm1> yeah you have to press one of the buttons there
[05:48] <superm1> FatDave, there is the noapic kernel option you can try
[05:48] <superm1> or turn on plug and play in your bios
[05:48] <FatDave> i assume noapci kernel option means i have to rebuild?
[05:49] <FatDave> i would assume plug and play is turned on, but i'll check
[05:49] <dwestendorf> local/main and local/restricted? nothing but what i ment to install there
[05:49] <superm1> FatDave, no you dont have to rebuild
[05:49] <superm1> its a kernel built option
[05:49] <superm1> dwestendorf, okay as long as you meant them to be there
[05:49] <superm1> hm
[05:49] <superm1> FatDave, kernel *boot* option
[05:49] <superm1> my bad
[05:50] <FatDave> does that mean its a setting somewhere?
[05:52] <superm1> FatDave, in your menu.lst
[05:52] <FatDave> i have a setting in my bios called APIC mode
[05:52] <FatDave> is that what you mean?
[05:52] <superm1> what's that set to right now?
[05:52] <FatDave> enabled
[05:53] <dwestendorf> so when i let my box log in like normal, and hit livetv, i can watch it for a minute or so then it restarts x
[05:53] <superm1> FatDave, you can try with it off
[05:53] <superm1> dwestendorf, no compiz or anyhting right?
[05:54] <dwestendorf> hells no
[05:55] <FatDave> trying...
[05:55] <dwestendorf> hmm....
[05:57] <dwestendorf> ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[05:58] <dwestendorf>  ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[05:58] <superm1> dwestendorf, you have got the oddest issues here
[05:59] <dwestendorf> thats a pretty good summary of my life... lol
[05:59] <dwestendorf> thanks for working with me to get them figured out though! i really appreciate it.
[06:00] <superm1> are you using LVM you said?
[06:01] <dwestendorf> yep
[06:01] <dwestendorf> and it's formated as XFS
[06:02] <superm1> dwestendorf, are you sure that all the drives are good?
[06:03] <dwestendorf> well, they aren't new, but I haven't had any problems up until now. They both worked fine for me under a normal ubuntu install
[06:04] <superm1> well i'm just thinking back to some transient issues that i had
[06:04] <superm1> and it took me over a month to realize that it all boiled down to one of the drives not keeping up with the lvm setup
[06:05] <superm1> SMART had told me dso
[06:07] <dwestendorf> i'm pointing my recording directory to a non lvm drive, think that will test your theory?
[06:07] <dwestendorf> or should i change something else?
[06:08] <superm1> yeah that would test it
[06:09] <dwestendorf> no dice, it bumped me out again
[06:10] <dwestendorf> how about having the cpu overclocked? any issues caused by that maybe?
[06:11] <superm1> well that can cause issues, but i'd expect more transient items
[06:11] <superm1> like ubuntu freezing in random areas
[06:13] <dwestendorf> okay...
[06:18] <dwestendorf> so i unclocked my proc and while i was in the bios i bumped up my agp apature to 256..... and it hasn't kicked me out yet
[06:20] <dwestendorf> if that was it, i'm gonna kick myself in the nutts and never over clock anything again in my life....
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135594 in mythbuntu "XMLTV missing" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135594
[06:50] <dwestendorf> so yeah, that was it. i also had to drop the db again, wasnt able to schedule recordings again but it's working well now
[06:50] <superm1> haha
[06:50] <superm1> well nothing like the low tech fixes
[06:50] <superm1> you've learned your lesson about overclocking then i'd imagine?
[06:51] <dwestendorf> yes
[06:51] <dwestendorf> thanks so much for the help
[06:51] <superm1> no prob
[06:51] <dwestendorf> it was driving me crazy
[06:51] <superm1> i wish all of my own problems were that simple :)
[06:51] <dwestendorf> lol
[06:54] <dwestendorf> i'm out of here. hopefully i won't be back with anymore problems. thanks again!
[07:13] <Rimers> morning guys
[07:13] <superm1> hi
[07:13] <Rimers> superm1:  i see cd is still building, but there is a lot of errors
[07:14] <superm1> lot of errors?
[07:14] <superm1> what kind of stuff?
[07:14] <Rimers> cant see what though
[07:14] <superm1> well how do you know there are errors then?
[07:14] <Rimers> its zooming past too fast
[07:14] <superm1> if you cant see them :)
[07:15] <Rimers> i can read somthing like ERROR: Search aborted by fatal exeption
[07:15] <Rimers> i cant read what caused it though
[07:15] <superm1> well that's certainly not good.
[07:15] <superm1> see how big the image ends up at the end though
[07:16] <superm1> if its between 437-450, i'd not worry
[07:17] <Rimers> trying to take screenshot to see if i can read the whole error there
[07:18] <superm1> in the future, you can log things with tee
[07:18] <superm1> like this
[07:18] <superm1> sh mythbuntu_instal.sh 2>&1 | tee log.txt
[07:18] <superm1> that will save all output and errors to log.txt
[07:18] <superm1> and show it on screen
[07:18] <Rimers> okay, nice
[07:19] <Rimers> i can read the problem now, its with package libpopt0
[07:20] <Rimers> and only that one
[07:20] <Rimers> seems to me like there is a problem with the package
[07:20] <Rimers> not sure its the build script
[07:22] <superm1> well it isn't in the build script, its a dependency
[07:22] <superm1> u might have a transient problem that a file wasn't on the mirror
[07:22] <superm1> and might just need to try to build one more time
[07:23] <Rimers> ill do that at uni later today then got 6 hours to build it then :)
[07:23] <superm1> okay cool
[07:23] <superm1> shame this has been such a painful process :)
[07:24] <superm1> good thing its only one command though, not too much to mess up
[07:25] <Rimers> hehe, well doesnt matter, will make class (system development processes) a lot more bareable
[07:25] <superm1> once everything is cached, the whole build process only takes 20-40 min in the future
[07:25] <Rimers> think its XP and SCRUM we need to repeat today
[07:37] <Rimers> superm1: was it you that i talked to about LVM at some point?
[07:37] <superm1> what abouts?
[07:38] <Rimers> i got 3-4 disks i want to bundle, but they wont to a raid setup
[07:38] <Rimers> so i wan thinking LVM but was told there was somthing better on the way
[07:38] <superm1> well LVM is a possible solution indeed
[07:38] <superm1> the something better is in the new mythtv release
[07:38] <superm1> 'storage groups'
[07:39] <superm1> but that new release isn't out yet
[07:39] <Rimers> oh, thats in 20.2?
[07:39] <Rimers> ah
[07:39] <superm1> 0.21
[07:39] <Rimers> i will wait patiently,,,, or atleast try to
[07:39] <superm1> well i mean you can do LVM in the meanwhile
[07:40] <Rimers> i did a little LVM that lost me ~300GB of Series
[07:41] <Rimers> so im not all that happy to go that way any more
[07:42] <superm1> had one drive in the bundle go bad?
[07:42] <Rimers> yup, or else it was the bundle becomming corrupted
[07:42] <Rimers> not sure
[07:42] <Rimers> all drives are okay now, so not sure at all
[07:43] <superm1> okay that sounds bzr
[07:43] <Rimers> hmm, i better go, have class in 30 min and 15-20 min transport time
[07:44] <Rimers> ill talk to ya later, hope to get the cd build and tested
[07:46] <superm1> okay cu
[09:20] <superm1> laga, don't get too excited, but i hear rumors that  2.6.22-12.32 of linux-ubuntu-modules fixes unionfs
[09:20] <superm1> :)
[09:27] <superm1> which it was uploaded 5 hrs ago, so it should be on the mirrors around when you get up
[09:32] <DaveMorris> superm1: you awake still?
[09:33] <superm1> no.....
[09:33] <superm1> DaveMorris, what's up?
[09:34] <DaveMorris> mythbuntu-default-settings, does what ever depend on that specifiy an exact version, because I can't get my package to install during the build script
[09:34] <superm1> no there are no explicit versions ever defined
[09:34] <superm1> what version numbers are you defining going in though?
[09:34] <superm1> in your ppa
[09:34] <superm1> versus what's on the other ppa
[09:34] <superm1> versus whats on the archive
[09:34] <DaveMorris> .54~ppa1 etc
[09:34] <DaveMorris> I tried .55 but my uploads where rejected
[09:35] <superm1> well the version in the archive is 0.54-0ubuntu1
[09:35] <superm1> so yours should be something like 0.55-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[09:36] <superm1> that way once its ready to get released to the archive, we just pop 0.55-0ubuntu1 into the archive
[09:36] <superm1> and go
[09:37] <DaveMorris> ok, but the ppa was rejecting it, saying it was already in fiesty
[09:38] <superm1> already in feisty?
[09:38] <superm1> shouldn't it be targetted to gutsy?
[09:41] <DaveMorris> yeah, which file conrtrols that
[09:47] <superm1> DaveMorris, catch my response pre netsplit?
[09:53] <DaveMorris> nope
 ok, but the ppa was rejecting it, saying it was already in fiesty
 already in feisty?
 shouldn't it be targetted to gutsy?
[09:54] <DaveMorris> yewah, and I then asked which file controls that
[09:54] <superm1> oh
[09:54] <superm1> debian/control
[09:54] <superm1> er
[09:54] <superm1> debian/changelog
[09:54] <superm1> at the top of the file
[09:54] <superm1> in your changelog entry
[09:55] <superm1> you've got to target gutsy rather than feisty if you want this available to use
[09:55] <DaveMorris> I assume thats auto set to the version your running
[09:55] <superm1> yes
[09:55] <DaveMorris> since I never set that myself
[09:55] <superm1> haha
[09:56] <superm1> just another fun intricacy to packaging, that is all :
[10:01] <superm1> DaveMorris, anything else quick before i pass out?
[10:10] <Daviey> superm1: Don't be weak - stay up now
[10:11] <Daviey> I mean, it's only 9:11am
[10:11] <superm1> haha
[10:11] <superm1> yeah time for bed i guess
[10:11] <Daviey> nn
[10:11] <superm1> from my tests ubiquity seems ready to go, i just needt to test it on real hardware
[10:11] <superm1> so hopefully just default-settings and then we're good
[10:11] <superm1> okay nn
[10:22] <frink_> Hey all
[10:40] <Daviey> DaveMorris: can you still filling my inbox with PPA build failed notices?
[10:40] <Daviey> :)
[10:53] <DaveMorris> whats failed?
[10:53] <laga> re
[10:53] <laga> DaveMorris: superm1 was it ;)
[10:54] <DaveMorris> I'm playing with default-settings, not ubquity
[10:54] <Daviey> ah
[10:57] <laga> superm1: i didn't commit m-c-c because it's not ready there. i don't wanna push incomplete software out there :)
[11:05] <frink_> Just setting up am and64 VM
[11:12] <frink_> gah somebody didnt tuen VT on :(
[11:16] <frink_> You have recieved a Hallmark E-Card.
[11:16] <frink_> To see it, click *here* <http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~christian/card.exe>,
[11:16] <frink_> lol
[11:26] <directhex|work> i wouldn't click an e-card link even if it was to hallmark.com
[11:26] <directhex|work> i can't think of anything less caring than a form email
[11:26] <frink_> yesh but look at the URL
[11:27] <directhex|work> yes, i know. but my point stands
[11:43] <DaveMorris> had an email from 'hmv' the other day saying the site had changed and giving me a link to it
[11:44] <DaveMorris> linked to a site which masked the start of the url to hmv.co.uk and mirrored the site completly
[11:46] <laga> bah
[11:46] <laga> disk i/o totally *kills* this box.
[11:48] <laga> much better after setting ionicing rsync :)
[11:50] <laga> what file systems would you guys use for source trees?
[11:55] <directhex|work> source? reiser, technically
[11:57] <laga> hum
[11:57] <laga> i should try that
[11:57] <laga> thanks
[11:57] <laga> i'll make ~/dev reiser and ~ xfs then
[12:00] <Daviey> resierFS.. why?!
[12:01] <Daviey> Using reiser is like saying, "Heck, i like a gamble with my data"
[12:03] <laga> true.
[12:03] <laga> had to rebuild the tree for my reiserfs once
[12:03] <laga> which was not fun
[12:04] <laga> ext3 i sthen
[12:04] <laga> or i'm gonna try xfs with some performance tuning
[12:04] <Daviey> xfs/jfs if you tend to suffer from inode issues
[12:05] <laga> never had those
[12:05] <laga> i should investigate jfs, though
[12:06] <Daviey> JFS is said to be faster than CFS - but i've never foudn XFS to be slow
[12:06] <Daviey> s/CFS/XFS
[12:08] <laga> delete performance is horrible here for xfs. it doesn't perform well for a lot of small files either
[12:09] <laga> at least it feels that way :)
[12:09] <laga> took over one hour to delete ~150G worth of data on my external usb hard disk
[12:11] <laga> alright, XFS it is. still seems to be one of the fastest
[12:12] <Daviey> That is slow!
[12:12] <laga> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
[12:12] <Daviey> As i said, JFS is supposed to be faster with less overhead
[12:12] <laga> with some tuning, it should perform way better
[12:12] <laga> depends on who you ask ;)
[12:13] <laga> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
[12:13] <laga> ^^ eg this guxy definitely recommends xfs
[12:13] <laga> For quick operations on large file tree, choose Ext3 or XFS. Benchmarks from other authors have supported the use of ReiserFS for operations on large number of small files. However, the present results on a tree comprising thousands of files of various size (10KB to 5MB) suggest than Ext3 or XFS may be more appropriate for real-world file server operations. Even if JFS minimize CPU usage, it should be noted that this FS comes with significantly higher laten
[12:14] <laga> s/guxy/guy/
[12:15] <Daviey> :S
[12:16] <frink_> use vfat
[12:16] <laga> heh
[12:17] <Daviey> fat32!
[12:17] <directhex|work> ntfs-3g!
[12:18] <Daviey> loop device :)
[12:18] <laga> i'll just store my files in mysql
[12:19] <Daviey> naa, MS Access
[12:31] <laga> m-c-c makes my head spin
[12:59] <rogue780> hello
[12:59] <laga> hi
[01:00] <rogue780> it's been a long time since I've had interent!
[02:20] <laga> heh, i borked the control centre
[02:20] <Daviey> Oh laga you do suprise me
[02:21] <laga> the sarcasm counter in this channel is refreshingly high
[02:21] <directhex|work> sarcasm? where? :o
[02:23] <laga> m-c-c is hard to debug. i can push buttons but they don't do anything and there's no python output in the terminal.
[02:23] <laga> bah.
[02:25] <directhex|work> rewrite the lot in c#!
[02:28] <DaveMorris> m-c-c ?
[02:29] <laga> mythbuntun-control-centre
[02:30] <DaveMorris> whats it written in?  glade + python?
[02:30] <laga> yup
[02:30] <Daviey> laga: add a debug switch :)
[02:31] <laga> if i knew how :)
[02:31] <laga> at least i know where the problem is now
[02:31] <laga> hum
[02:31] <Daviey> bug
[02:38] <laga> awesome
[02:38] <laga> i can see the traceback if i use strace
[02:43] <Shred00> wondering where i should file bugs?  launchpad's Ubuntu project?
[02:44] <Shred00> still having an overwrites-.htaccess problem
[02:44] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+filebug
[02:44] <laga> yes, file it against the mythtv packages in ubuntu
[02:46] <Shred00> cool.  doing so.
[02:47] <Shred00> done
[02:55] <laga> the sailor guy?
[02:55] <DaveMorris> popey is a ubuntu-uk member
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #144761 in mythweb (multiverse) "every upgrade overwrites /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144761
[02:56] <laga> ah
[02:59] <DaveMorris> I've assiged it to you laga
[03:00] <laga> thanks
[03:00] <laga> won't be fixed today ;)
[03:49] <laga> my sister and my dad have a birthday tomorrow. hum.
[03:49] <directhex|work> celebrate with cake!
[03:50] <laga> true, but io need to get some presents beforehand
[03:50] <directhex|work> cake is a present!
[03:51] <laga> heh
[03:51] <laga> just committed mythbuntu-control-centre. commit messages starts with:
[03:51] <laga> "Ok, here's the revamp mythweb auth support for the control centre. There's just one problem: it doesn't work.
[03:51] <laga> "
[03:51] <laga> :/
[03:52] <laga> i hope superm1 can take a look later
[03:53] <DaveMorris> don't push broken code on others
[03:53] <Daviey> commiting borked code!?
[03:53] <laga> y'know, you don't have to use it :)
[03:53] <Daviey> That sounds like what I do at work :)
[03:54] <laga> i suggest reading "bzr help revert"
[03:54] <laga> and "bzr help log"
[03:54] <Daviey> and bzr remove privs commit --user laga
[03:54] <DaveMorris> I'm not gonna win, but continuous testing will fail when you comit broken code
[03:57] <DaveMorris> laga re mythweb-htaccess
[03:57] <DaveMorris> can you include another file into that config
[03:58] <laga> not sure tbh
[03:58] <DaveMorris> so the users password is stored in htaccess.passwd and is included into the .htaccess file
[03:58] <DaveMorris> then we update the htaccess file all the time, and not overwrite the users password
[03:59] <laga> i like bananas
[03:59] <laga> i was thinking the same, it just needs to be investigated
[04:00] <DaveMorris> as I assumed its that the password gets over written which is the problem
[04:00] <laga> nope
[04:00] <laga> password is in a separate file
[04:01] <laga> even if it would get overwritten, it'd get overwritten with the correct pass. assuming the user uses debconf to handle mythweb auth
[04:01] <laga> almost time for me reformat my ~
[04:01] <DaveMorris> prehaps we need a prompt for the users similar to when config files in gentoo get updated
[04:02] <laga> no, i think we can handle this sanely.
[04:02] <laga> see /boot/grub/menu.list
[04:02] <DaveMorris> lol
[04:03] <laga> consists of a part handled by the system and of a part handled by the user
[04:03] <laga> ok, i'm gone now. wish me luck
[04:29] <DaveMorris> gah!  the students are all back now acessing facebook so the internet is crawling along at 2Mbit/sec
[04:31] <DaveMorris> how many GB is it for a mirror?
[04:31] <DaveMorris> of the ubuntu repo's?
[04:32] <directhex|work> the full ubuntu repos? a lot
[04:33] <directhex|work> about 15gb per arch, not including source, i think
[04:33] <DaveMorris> during the hours of around 5pm to 10am I'll get around 5000KB/s
[04:33] <DaveMorris> now its 240-400
[04:33] <DaveMorris> so if I download and mirror the repos out of hours
[04:39] <Daviey> DaveMorris: gonna ask work to mirror ubuntu?
[04:40] <DaveMorris> I doubt they will, only a handful of us use it
[04:40] <DaveMorris> but if I grab some old machines I can setup my own internal mirror
[04:41] <DaveMorris> I could setup an apt-cacher easily, which would use less space
[04:42] <directhex|work> apt-proxy rules!
[04:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: yeah... but kinda pointless with only 5 users
[04:43] <Daviey> wouldn't speed things up..
[04:44] <Daviey> A full blown apt-mirror is the ticket!
[04:44] <Daviey> Then you'll get LAN speeds
[04:51] <Daviey> yeah... scrap the amd64
[04:51] <DaveMorris> hehe
[04:51] <Daviey> *thinks
[04:51] <DaveMorris> why?
[04:52] <Daviey> For the same reason Canonical dropped support for PowerPC
[04:52] <DaveMorris> which was?
[04:52] <Daviey> it blows goats
[04:52] <directhex|work> because people just can't handle the extra powaah
[04:52] <DaveMorris> besides hardware is moving 64bit way
[04:52] <directhex|work> moving? moved already
[04:52] <DaveMorris> soon you'll need 64bit to adress all the ram needed by MS windows
[04:53] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Rain 'n thunder over your way?
[04:53] <DaveMorris> not yet
[04:53] <directhex|work> try finding a 32-bit machine on dell.co.uk
[04:53] <DaveMorris> question, 32bit allows you to only address 4GB of ram, but what about swap?
[04:54] <directhex|work> it only allows you 4gb of address space. you don't get 4gb of ram if you have any devices like graphics cards
[04:55] <DaveMorris> so the address space includes, gfx cards, ram, swap
[04:59] <superm1> hi all
[04:59] <superm1> laga, you need to debug the control centre?
[04:59] <superm1> should have just said so
[04:59] <superm1> and i'd tell you how
[05:01] <superm1> laga, i talked to gbee some time in the last 8 hours or so too
[05:01] <Daviey> Guys; notice our mention in Jono's latest post
[05:01] <Daviey> -- credit superm2
[05:01] <superm1> latest post to what?
[05:01] <Daviey> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1040
[05:02] <Daviey> "Ubuntu Project Team Report"
[05:02] <DaveMorris> yeah, I saw that
[05:06] <superm1> laga, "ImportError: No module named debconftalk
[05:06] <superm1> "
[05:11] <superm1> laga, makes it hard to debug without that module :)
[05:15] <DaveMorris> btw my build failed earlier, due to mythbuntu-desktop not be able to install
[05:15] <superm1> DaveMorris, why couldn't mythbuntu-desktop install?
[05:15] <superm1> i just did a build last night that it installed okay
[05:16] <DaveMorris> I'm trying it again and grabbing the log as well
[05:18] <superm1> okay now in looking at your source package
[05:19] <superm1> putting stuff in /etc/xdg/xfce4 and such, that doesn't conflict with anything right
[05:19] <DaveMorris> no, its where xxubuntu-default-settings puts it
[05:19] <superm1> like identical?
[05:20] <DaveMorris> yeah
[05:20] <DaveMorris> is that bad then?
[05:20] <superm1> well that can be a problem
[05:20] <DaveMorris> although I'd expect them to be installed independtly
[05:20] <superm1> what if xubuntu-default-settings is already installed?
[05:20] <superm1> eg if they wanted to add mythbuntu to an xubuntu box
[05:20] <DaveMorris> can you put on a pckage that it can't be installed if something else is?
[05:21] <tgm4883> yea
[05:21] <tgm4883> conflicts
[05:21] <superm1> well but you don't want to break the xfce session
[05:21] <DaveMorris> but I get the point, and I'll move it
[05:21] <superm1> ideally you probably want those under /etc/xdg/mythbuntu
[05:21] <superm1> and then exporting those two variables i mentioned before in admin_session.sh
[05:22] <superm1> to make sure that it uses that directory instead
[05:22] <superm1> now you're going to have trouble pushing to this ppa because of how the package is built
[05:22] <superm1> (there is no .diff.gz)
[05:24] <superm1> you can try naming it with the ~ppa2, hopefully that works out well
[05:27] <DaveMorris> ok, the scripts broken because mythbuntu-default-settings isn't installable
[05:28] <superm1> DaveMorris, well that's certainly not good :)
[05:28] <DaveMorris> Errors were encountered while processing:^M
[05:28] <DaveMorris>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mythbuntu-default-settings_0.55-0ubuntu1~ppa1_all.deb^M
[05:29] <superm1> DaveMorris, sudo chroot /tmp/mythbuntu
[05:29] <superm1> DaveMorris, and then try to install it yourself
[05:29] <superm1> in the chroot that things were building in
[05:30] <DaveMorris>  trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/xfce-registered-categories.xml.de', which is also in package xfdesktop4
[05:31] <superm1> like i said :)
[05:33] <DaveMorris> anything else I should change before I upload a new version?
[05:34] <superm1> you need to put those two variables in admin_session.sh
[05:34] <superm1> and make sure to exec startxfce4
[05:34] <superm1> not openbox
[05:34] <superm1> and comment out any lines that were setting the desktop background with feh
[05:35] <superm1> and comment out any lines that were setting up iDesk
[05:35] <superm1> since that is handled via xfce now too
[05:35] <superm1> also if you don't have it in your config files yet (i didn't look), make sure that nm-applet is set to come on automatic startup
[05:35] <DaveMorris> yeah thats all be done already
[05:35] <superm1> okay good
[05:36] <DaveMorris> I download a new admin script of my server
[05:36] <superm1> well then looks like its good to me
[05:37] <superm1> after this package is considered good and pushed to the archive, unfortunately, the 'ubuntu-mythtv-frontend' package still needs to be updated too, to something similar.
[05:37] <superm1> but i am gonna wait until you've got this straightened out to find the best way to make that one work
[05:39] <directhex|work> can you warn me of major ubuntu-mythtv-frontend changes that might affect my backports?
[05:45] <Samson-> anyone have a mirror other than mirror.cs.umn.edu that I should put in my sources.list?  it looks like mirror.cs.umn.edu is down
[05:46] <tgm4883> archive.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <superm1> directhex|work, well i'm not sure how we're going to handle the major ubuntu-mythtv-frontend changes
[05:48] <superm1> because xfce has to be put in there somehow
[05:48] <directhex|work> superm1, praying & goat sacrifice
[05:48] <superm1> so i'm not sure if we should be depending upon mythbuntu-desktop?
[05:48] <superm1> because recommending it won't do very good
[05:49] <directhex|work> superm1, what does mythbuntu-desktop pull in?
[05:49] <superm1> a lot
[05:49] <superm1> well maybe not too much, mainly xfce stuff
[05:49] <directhex|work> bleh
[05:49] <superm1> and apport
[05:49] <superm1> and FF
[05:49] <superm1> and all the theme setup stuff
[05:50] <directhex|work> xfce stuff is fine, it's things like m-c-c i'm concerned about
[05:50] <superm1> yeah that and the artwork for usplash
[05:50] <foxbuntu> superm1, did you have a chance to check out the USplash fix?
[05:50] <superm1> and gdm theme
[05:50] <superm1> foxbuntu, i pushed it last night to the archive
[05:50] <directhex|work> superm1, what's the source package for mythbuntu-desktop?
[05:50] <superm1> your debian/changelog was pretty messy.  you should learn to spell.  after i fixed that i pushed it
[05:50] <superm1> mythbuntu-meta
[05:51] <foxbuntu> superm1, you know I spell like a 10 yr old
[05:51] <superm1> foxbuntu, i'm going to push it to the ppa too though, because since we are in an archive freeze, it might not clear the archive until next week
[05:51] <foxbuntu> was it messy as in just spelling or did I do something wrong in formating
[05:52] <superm1> both
[05:52] <superm1> you're text was > 80 characters
[05:52] <superm1> and you need a space after the *
[05:53] <foxbuntu> oh
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> I use to spell like a 10 year old
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> but that was 14 years ago
[05:54] <superm1> am i the only one here who can spell?
[05:54] <superm1> :)
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> I can spell
[05:55] <foxbuntu> yes
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> I just have to run it though spellcheck :)
[05:55] <Samson-> ispell ftw
[05:55] <directhex|work> i can spell. i just can't *type*
[05:55] <foxbuntu> well spell checker is a requested upgrade for DCH I say
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> why have technology if you're not going to use it :)
[05:56] <superm1> foxbuntu, dch will use whatever editor you define
[05:56] <tgm4883_laptop> In fact, I think superm1 is inhibiting technology by knowing how to spell
[05:56] <DaveMorris> although I could change it, but then it won't work too well remotly
[05:56] <superm1> so if you set EDITOR to gedit
[05:56] <superm1> it will use that
[05:56] <DaveMorris> I know
[05:56] <superm1> DaveMorris, more directed at foxbuntu
[05:56] <DaveMorris> however I want it to use gedit if I'm local and vim/nano over an ssh
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> I mean, knowing how to spell, not using spell checker?  Are you pennsylvanian dutch?
[05:57] <superm1> there should be a way to do that though
[05:57] <superm1> because .bashrc and .bash_profile are sourced for different purposes are they not?
[05:57] <DaveMorris> not sure
[05:58] <foxbuntu> superm1, well don't you just quash all my fun...
[05:59] <superm1> DaveMorris, you shouldn't need to download the admin_session.sh from your server
[05:59] <superm1> its shipped in mythbuntu-default-settings
[05:59] <superm1> under  usr/share/mythbuntu/admin_session.sh
[06:14] <Samson-> whoops, ubiquity installer crashed
[06:51] <DaveMorris> thanks superm1 I wasn't sure which package shipped it so I stuck in a wget as a quick fix :)
[07:08] <Samson-> hmm, keep getting a ubiquity crashes during the final part of the install, right after the partitioner finishes
[07:08] <Samson-> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38563/
[07:11] <Rimers> Good evening guys
[07:26] <laga> re
[07:26] <laga> hey Rimers
[07:27] <laga> Samson-: i'll check if it's an existing issue
[07:27] <Samson-> laga: awesome!
[07:27] <Samson-> I'm running 8/30/2007 release in safe graphics mode on an NVIDIA card with tv-out
[07:29] <hansoffate|work> Hi everyone, I have a question.
[07:29] <Samson-> it gets to 27% copying files and then throws that error
[07:30] <hansoffate|work> I need to reinstall my mythtv box because I am moving to schedule direct.  I was wondering, if I might as well use the mythbuntu iso to reinstall mythtv.
[07:30] <Samson-> hansoffate|work: either you can do that, or upgrade your MythTV software to 0.20.2
[07:33] <hansoffate|work> Well, I also am rebuilding my old system.  I got a new smaller case that looks more like a PVR system, instead of an old 10 dollar junky white case.
[07:34] <hansoffate|work> Also, do any of you record HD shows?  I may want to start doing that.  I was wondering what card you guys run.  I have been told the PCDHTV cards are good, but I don't want to get a linux only card.
[07:34] <Samson-> i have no experience with hdtv
[07:35] <laga> neither have i
[07:35] <Samson-> i'd say make a backup of your current system and upgrade your system from the mythbuntu ISO
[07:35] <hansoffate|work> ok thanks, i think superm1 said that I should just try using firewire, when I get to that stage.
[07:35] <tgm4883> hansoofate|work, I do HD
[07:36] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 how do you record it?
[07:36] <tgm4883> I use both my STB over firewire and an pcHDTV 5500
[07:36] <tgm4883> although
[07:36] <tgm4883> it really depends on what you want to record and if your cable company only provides those channels though the STB or not
[07:37] <hansoffate|work> Samson- never had to reinstall/upgrade mythtv.  What do I backup?  just the conf files and lirc?  I never got my channel changing script working.  I can't record any channels with a 2 in it. lol.
[07:37] <tgm4883> local HD channels should come in fine without the use of a STB
[07:37] <Samson-> well, depending on your remote, the mythbuntu control center might already have it
[07:37] <tgm4883> but for instance, I need to use my STB if I want to record ESPN2, ESPN, or Discovery HD (probably other channels too)
[07:38] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, I would also back up the database
[07:38] <tgm4883> unless you think it has completely worthless info
[07:38] <Samson-> laga: any luck seeing if it is an existing issue?
[07:38] <tgm4883> or don't mind getting reruns again
[07:38] <tgm4883> Samson-, did you verify the ISO and CD?
[07:39] <tgm4883> and burn the CD on a low speed
[07:39] <Samson-> I just thought about that, I'm rebooting the system now to verify the CD
[07:39] <Samson-> it does seem like a media error
[07:39] <Samson-> since some files are copied to /target
[07:40] <laga> Samson-: still on it, just returned home
[07:40] <laga> oh
[07:40] <laga> yeah
[07:40] <laga> verify the disk first
[07:40] <tgm4883> Samson-, I always ask that question first
[07:40] <tgm4883> laga should do the same.  It helps with the headaches
[07:40] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, what do you plan on recording in HD?
[07:40] <Samson-> not a problem, i'm so used to using nicer burners at work that I didnt think about it
[07:41] <laga> superm1: i still need to debug the control centre :) i#ll push debconftalk.py now, sorry about that
[07:41] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 I really just want to record Heroes on NBC in HD.  Should I just get a HDTV Antenna and get an hdtv card?
[07:42] <Rimers> superm1: i got the cd to build, only need the time to install and test now, but come weekend come time
[07:42] <tgm4883> I have the pcHDTV 5500 and pull HD straight from the cable (comcast).  I didn't need the STB to be able to do this.  With that being said, if I did it again, I would grab an HDHomerun instead of the pcHDTV card
[07:43] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 why is that?
[07:43] <tgm4883> I will say that recording via firewire can be flaky, depending on how crappy the cable company decides to broadcast the channel
[07:43] <tgm4883> 2 reasons
[07:43] <tgm4883> 1, the HDHomerun contains 2 HD tuners instead of 1
[07:44] <tgm4883> (for only around $40 more)
[07:44] <tgm4883> and 2, it's connected via ethernet, so it frees up a pci slot and you can place it anywhere
[07:44] <tgm4883> this is crucial if you have a miniatx mb, and only have 2 pci slots
[07:46] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 I do have a mini atx MB.  Right now, the only card I have is a PVR150.  I like the HDHomerun because it works on more things then just linux.  Is this well supported on the ubuntu forums?  I am kind of new to the whole pvr thing.  Superm1 helped me setup mythtv the first time.
[07:46] <tgm4883> well good news for you then, superm1 has the HDHomerun and I believe likes it alot
[07:47] <tgm4883> there should be support in mythbuntu for it, i remember seeing an option for it in the installer
[07:47] <hansoffate|work> awesome!
[07:48] <hansoffate|work> so then all I would need to do is buy the HDHomerun and a HD Antenna and then technically, I would be able to record HDTV?  Thanks for all the help tgm4883.
[07:48] <tgm4883> yes, although depending on your cable plan, you may not even need the HD antenna
[07:49] <tgm4883> my local HD channels were broadcast over the cable even when I only had Expanded basic
[07:50] <hansoffate|work> awesome, I have comcast, is there an easy way to find out?
[07:50] <tgm4883> perhaps
[07:51] <bendailey> hansoffate|work: do you have and hd tv? does it have an digital tuner?
[07:51] <tgm4883> you could call them, but they probably wont know unless you talk to a tech, if you have a tv with a capable HD tuner, you could try to tune the channels, or you could ask others in your area who may know
[07:51] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, it's not on their website
[07:51] <tgm4883> trust me
[07:53] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 ok.  I don't know anyone else in my area that has an HDPVR.  I do have some friends though that have an HDTV and comcast provider.    I know they haven't subscribed to HD programming.
[07:54] <tgm4883> do they live in the same area?
[07:54] <hansoffate|work> yeah
[07:54] <hansoffate|work> like 10 blocks away
[07:55] <tgm4883> yea you could have them test it out then
[07:55] <tgm4883> but you should make sure that its an HDTV, not HD ready TV
[07:57] <hansoffate|work> Yea, it is an HDTV.  How can you tell if its working?  Will it not even tune to the channel if it doesn't work?  How can you tell if its actually HD quality?
[07:57] <hansoffate|work> sorry for asking so many seemingly stupid questions
[07:58] <hansoffate|work> and thanks for all the help, should we PM.  I feel like I am flooding the channel
[07:58] <tgm4883> nah, if others have the same questions
[07:58] <hansoffate|work> bendailey i just realized you said something, I will be getting an HDTV which will have a tuner on it.
[07:58] <tgm4883> you can tell if it's working by the fact you can see the picture :)
[07:58] <hansoffate|work> would it dispaly the picture not in HD?
[07:58] <Samson-> so it looks like it was a media error, burnt a new cd, trying again
[07:59] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, you don't need the tuner unless you specifically want to watch live tv not though the mythbox
[07:59] <laga> Samson-: cool
[07:59] <Samson-> regards to the partitioning schemas, on my previous installation I made a large XFS partition
[07:59] <Samson-> is that still a general recommendation to do?
[07:59] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, the way that the HD channels are broadcast is like this
[07:59] <chuk> will mythbuntu-control-centre install on xbuntu 7.04?
[07:59] <tgm4883> say you have NBC on channel 8
[07:59] <tgm4883> that is the analog channel
[08:00] <tgm4883> the HD version (in my case) is broadcast on 8.1
[08:00] <tgm4883> when you scan the channels with the TV, it should pick these up
[08:00] <tgm4883> and show them in HD
[08:01] <tgm4883> which may or may not be widescreen depending on the source (for instance, Oprah, the richest woman in the US, does not broadcast her show in HD)
[08:01] <tgm4883> but if you can tune to these HD channels then you can recieve the HD signal
[08:02] <tgm4883> Chuk, I dont' see why it wouldn't
[08:02] <chuk> I did an apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre and it wasn't found
[08:02] <chuk> using the weekly trunk repos
[08:02] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-control-centre, is in universe
[08:03] <Samson-> tgm4883: that is interesting regarding Oprah not broadcasting inHD
[08:03] <tgm4883> Samson-, yes it is, don't ask me how I know
[08:03] <Daviey> wooooooooooooooooooot
[08:03] <chuk> universe on weeklybuilds?
[08:03] <tgm4883> afaik, it's not recorded in HD, so it's not broadcast in HD
[08:03] <tgm4883> chuk, gutsy universe repo
[08:05] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, ^^^
[08:05] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 thanks for that explanation.  So basically to test this.  I would have to go to my friends house, try to hook up a cable line directly into their HDTV/HD Tuner.  Have it find the channels and try to tune to a channel?  I just tried searching comcast to find out what channel the local HD Channels are on.  But none of the local HD channels are listed
[08:06] <Rimers> I got to find a way to install a new driver for my ipw2200 wireless card, its kicking me off all the time
[08:06] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, yea, comcast's website doesn't list them as they want to sell them to you.  and the only package they offer them in is like $75
[08:06] <tgm4883> but they should be there
[08:08] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, so yes, go to your friends house, hook the cable directly up to their TV and scan for channels, I forget, but there may be different setting to scan on (QAM 64, QAM 256, etc) so you may have to scan once on each setting to find the channels
[08:08] <chuk> you will get locals in HD with comcast
[08:08] <chuk> with a HD tuner card
[08:08] <tgm4883> chuk, is this documented anywhere, is there a law?
[08:08] <chuk> yes and yes
[08:08] <hansoffate|work> HD tuner built into the tv?
[08:08] <chuk> I meant tuner in your myth box
[08:08] <chuk> not many TV's have QAM tuners
[08:09] <chuk> I didn't real the whole scrollback
[08:09] <hansoffate|work> if this works today, I am going to order HDHomeRun and will try it out
[08:09] <tgm4883> chuk, sweet, I thought there probably was, but didn't know for sure
[08:09] <chuk> but comcast is required to supply them unencrypted
[08:09] <Samson-> hmm, burned a new install iso using the slowest speed, same verify error (1 file didnt pass checksum)
[08:09] <chuk> I use HDHomeRun with comcast now
[08:09] <Samson-> md5sum on the .iso checks out with the md5sum on the website
[08:09] <tgm4883> Samson-, did you md5sum the iso
[08:09] <Samson-> gonna try a different computer to burn the iso i think
[08:09] <tgm4883> which file?
[08:09] <tgm4883> o
[08:09] <tgm4883> ok
[08:09] <Samson-> not sure which file
[08:10] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, there are now 2 people that I know of with the HDHomerun, chuk, i assume you are recommending it?
[08:10] <tgm4883> as I believe superm1_ does
[08:10] <Samson-> the verify only says 'Check finished: errors found in 1 files!'
[08:10] <superm1_> yeah i have one
[08:10] <tgm4883> and you like it?
[08:10] <superm1_> yesterday was the first time that i had 3 HD tuners recording at once :)
[08:10] <chuk> yeah, HDHomerun is great
[08:10] <superm1_> it worked great
[08:10] <chuk> I used to have 2 dvico cards
[08:10] <tgm4883> ok, thats what I thought
[08:11] <Daviey> superm1_: cdimages.ubuntu.com is live - just sync'ing the iso's now
[08:11] <superm1_> great Daviey
[08:11] <tgm4883> are there bandwidth limits on that?
[08:11] <Daviey> tgm4883: Haven't been told of any...
[08:11] <tgm4883> and where is it located?
[08:11] <tgm4883> sweet
[08:12] <bendailey> Daviey: how many uk mirrors will there be?
[08:12] <Daviey> 2 * cdimages
[08:13] <Daviey> frink_'s and canonical...
[08:14] <hansoffate|work> superm1 is there any documentation on Setting up the HDHomerun?
[08:14] <bendailey> Daviey: do you want US and others downloading from canonical?
[08:14] <superm1_> yeah hansoffate|work
[08:14] <superm1_> there is a wiki page on help.ubuntu.com
[08:14] <superm1_> hansoffate|work, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun
[08:15] <Daviey> bendailey: yes
[08:16] <bendailey> Daviey: ok... so do we want one big world pool of mirrors or do you want to try and keep people in the UK on UK mirrors?
[08:17] <Daviey> bendailey: well.. maybe favour one near you
[08:17] <Daviey> but if you are feeling really eager... could mimic sourceforges solution?
[08:17] <bendailey> Daviey: never mind making this work either way should be simple with the db structure I have
[08:26] <hansoffate|work> superm1 thanks for the link.  Im reading it now
[08:27] <laga> hey superm1_
[08:27] <laga> superm1_: wanna tell me your debugging trick?
[08:28] <superm1_> laga, sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:28] <superm1_> if you run it like that
[08:28] <superm1_> you will get output to the console
[08:28] <superm1_> basically without the wrapper script
[08:28] <superm1_> laga, where is debconftalk?
[08:28] <superm1_> i didn't see it when i pulled your new revno
[08:29] <laga> huh.
[08:29] <laga> wait a second
[08:31] <laga> superm1_: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre/changes
[08:31] <laga> thanks for the debugging trick
[08:31] <laga> was already fooling around with the python debugger
[08:31] <superm1_> ah okay cool
[08:32] <laga> oh, nice
[08:32] <laga> way better
[08:32] <laga> just got a nice stacktrace.
[08:32] <laga> ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'mythweb_auth_enable' in section: 'mythbuntu'
[08:32] <laga> :)
[08:32] <superm1_> easy nough to fix :)
[08:33] <laga> do i just have to set them once or is there a special procedure to init an entry there?
[08:34] <superm1_> in the function that builds defaults, look how i do it
[08:34] <laga> k
[08:35] <superm1_> in query_system_state
[08:35] <superm1_> that is the best way to play with it
[08:35] <laga> k.
[08:35] <laga> just need to make sure i'm not overwriting any settings.
[08:36] <superm1_> well you can read in the existing htaccess info there
[08:36] <superm1_> too
[08:36] <laga> i'd rather pull it from debconf
[08:36] <laga> which is gonna work for trunk, too.
[08:36] <superm1_> i'd say that the settings already there should be preferential
[08:36] <superm1_> but debconf should be updated
[08:36] <superm1_> with the new info
[08:36] <superm1_> in case someone decides to update it manually
[08:36] <laga> which settings? in m-c-c?
[08:36] <superm1_> because if its updated in debconf, then that also updates the htaccess
[08:37] <superm1_> the current username/pw of htaccess
[08:37] <laga> hum.
[08:37] <laga> thaT'd require some work to make it portable.
[08:37] <laga> and i cannot read the password from htaccess because it's encrypted
[08:38] <superm1_> good point
[08:38] <superm1_> decrypt it?
[08:38] <laga> and TBH
[08:38] <superm1_> :)
[08:38] <laga> i can't account for all cases of idiocy out there.
[08:38] <superm1_> well for now just read from debconf then
[08:38] <superm1_> and for hardy can worry about better implementation
[08:38] <laga> i know that if i make it idiot proof, someone will break it and that's gonna make me sad ;)
[08:38] <laga> yup
[08:39] <superm1_> i've only added idiot proofing as i went along slowly
[08:39] <laga> right now, i'll just throw in a crude hack because i want it to _do_ something.
[08:39] <laga> i'll refine it later tonight or tomorrow
[08:39] <laga> debconftalk.py needs to be made more robust, too.
[08:40] <superm1_> i'm rebuilding an iso right now with the new l-u-m and DaveMorriss's new default settings
[08:40] <laga> cool
[08:40] <superm1_> so we'll see how close we are
[08:40] <superm1_> but i'm hoping very close
[08:40] <laga> please upload it if it works :)
[08:41] <superm1_> well he is still missing the admin_session.sh in its file
[08:41] <superm1_> i don't know why
[08:41] <Rimers> superm1: i got the cd to build, just need the time to try it out, but things have come up, so probably wont be till friday
[08:41] <superm1_> Rimers, when did you build it?
[08:41] <superm1_> some things changed today
[08:41] <Shred00> is the mythweather package in mythbuntu supposed to work?
[08:41] <superm1_> yeah
[08:41] <laga> Shred00: yes
[08:42] <Shred00> anything more needed than just installing the deb?
[08:42] <Shred00> ah.  wait. is it a fe or be package?  i bet fe.
[08:42] <superm1_> fe yes
[08:43] <Rimers> i build as you told me last night, the build problems i had was a package problem so after a redownload of some it build without problems at all
[08:43] <superm1_> Rimers, ah okay
[08:44] <superm1_> well you need to make sure that you have the right ubiquity version in your build
[08:44] <superm1_> if you can look in the log from your build
[08:44] <Rimers> but if there have been made big changes i can easily rebuild
[08:44] <superm1_> it should include 18+mythbuntu3 in the version number
[08:44] <Rimers> let me start the build enviroment
[08:46] <superm1_> the mythbuntu3 version should properly do openchrome, i caught a small issue where it didn't install dependencies
[08:46] <laga> AttributeError: 'bool' object has no attribute 'tolower'
[08:46] <Rimers> ah okay
[08:46] <laga> note to self: this is NOT perl.
[08:47] <laga> superm1_: btw, do you think the vnc error is gone?
[08:47] <superm1_> which vnc error?
[08:47] <laga> superm1_: vnc password + locale settings = breaking ubiquity?
[08:47] <superm1_> the locale error?
[08:47] <superm1_> oh yeah
[08:47] <superm1_> that should be fixed
[08:47] <laga> cool
[08:47] <laga> didnt know ether my fix was working
[08:47] <superm1_> it was fixed locally by you as well as upstream i believe
[08:47] <superm1_> so even if yours doesn't work, i think upstream's should handle it
[08:48] <laga> good
[08:49] <Rimers> im starting to hate vmware sooo much
[08:51] <Rimers> for every reboot i have to remake and resetup vmware network stuff
[08:51] <superm1_> you are using the vmware-server deb ?
[08:51] <superm1_> or no
[08:52] <Rimers> im using a vmware workstation that i got from uni
[08:52] <superm1_> o
[08:55] <Rimers> superm1: you asked me to look at a file version, where would it put that file on the build machine?
[08:56] <superm1_> Rimers, did you not log it when you bulit?
[08:56] <superm1_> remember when i told you about tee?
[08:56] <Rimers> no sorry i just restarted it after the crash i had last night
[08:57] <Rimers> can i locate it in the image?
[08:57] <superm1_> if you chroot into the build directory (/tmp/mythbuntu_iso) you can see there
[08:59] <laga> superm1_: omg omg it's working!
[08:59] <laga> :)
[09:02] <Rimers> superm1_: sry dont know how to do that chroot stuff
[09:03] <Samson-> chroot <directory you want to chroot to> <shell you want to use from that chroot environment>
[09:03] <Samson-> so 'chroot /var/chroot /bin/sh'
[09:04] <Rimers> thanks Samson-
[09:04] <Rimers> ill try that
[09:04] <Samson-> then when you want to leave the chroot, just 'exit'
[09:04] <Samson-> or ctrl-d
[09:04] <Rimers> okay, thanks :)
[09:05] <Samson-> laga: 4 cdr's later my install is completing
[09:05] <Samson-> had to download/burn on a different computer
[09:06] <laga> :/
[09:06] <superm1__> laga, i'm doing a test install in a spanish locale
[09:06] <superm1__> with vnc enabled
[09:07] <laga> superm1__: bueno
[09:07] <superm1__> it looks like somehow a bunch of ubiquity got translated
[09:07] <superm1__> no idea how it did
[09:07] <superm1__> but i'm not going to argue it
[09:08] <laga> yeah, they do that
[09:08] <superm1__> "juego myth"
[09:08] <superm1__> haha
[09:09] <laga> heh
[09:10] <_jkr_> I played around with menu display settings (GL instead of Qt) and now there's no text when I start. Is there a config file where I can change settings by hand.
[09:10] <_jkr_> ?
[09:10] <Rimers> superm1: got the 18+mythbuntu files on the image
[09:11] <superm1__> 18+mythbuntu2 or 18+mythbuntu3?
[09:11] <superm1__> _jkr_, did you not have proprietary drivers installed?
[09:12] <_jkr_> It's an onboard intel card. Just getting the hang of it. It worked with the default settings, but now since I can't access the menu, I can't get those back.
[09:12] <Rimers> hmm is there a 1?? cause thats all that i can find in the cache i have from the install
[09:12] <superm1__> Rimers, yeah there was a 1
[09:12] <laga> superm1__: if you bzr pull, you get a working control centre again.
[09:12] <superm1__> you need the 3
[09:12] <superm1__> laga, don't have my bzr branch on this comp (i'm on campus).  just vmware server and a test iso :)
[09:12] <Rimers> okay, how did i do an update again
[09:12] <superm1__> so i'll see later this afternoon
[09:12] <laga> _jkr_: mythfrontend --reset is the easiest. will reset all appearance settings AFAIK
[09:12] <laga> superm1__: no worries
[09:13] <superm1__> Rimers, just run the build script again
[09:13] <_jkr_> laga: thanks. will try it now.
[09:13] <superm1__> and you get the new version
[09:13] <superm1__> alternatively there is mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[09:13] <superm1__> to temporarily set it to qt
[09:15] <Rimers> okay, ill run it like NEW_DIRECTORY="blabla" sh buildscript | tee log.txt    or is that wrong?
[09:15] <superm1__> well you might want to expand a little
[09:15] <superm1__> like this
[09:15] <superm1__> NEW_DIRECTORY="blah" sh buildscript 2>&1 | tee log.txt
[09:16] <superm1__> so that errors get logged too
[09:16] <Rimers> ah nice, ill do that now
[09:16] <_jkr_> superm1_: oh well, already reset it. But thanks for the other way too.
[09:18] <superm1_> hm on a spanish locale, where is the / key?
[09:19] <Rimers> aint it "shift+7" ?
[09:19] <superm1_> yeah there we go
[09:19] <superm1_> thx
[09:19] <Rimers> np
[09:19] <superm1_> its a bit hard to tail /var/log/syslog when you cant type / :)
[09:20] <laga> heh
[09:20] <Rimers> hehe :)
[09:21] <Rimers> try typing < and > on a keyboard layout that killed that key :S
[09:21] <laga> i just bash random keys till i find it
[09:21] <Rimers> thats just as easy. doesnt make programming tasks easier
[09:21] <Rimers> on most european keyboards its shift 7
[09:22] <Rimers> the / that is
[09:23] <superm1_> what about a pipe | ?
[09:23] <laga> shift + the <> key
[09:23] <laga> tough luck..
[09:24] <superm1_> nope those are ; and :
[09:24] <superm1_> hm
[09:24] <Rimers> on mine its second key to the right of 0 key
[09:24] <Rimers> and the ALT GR + that-key
[09:25] <superm1_> hm no alt gr
[09:25] <Rimers> think its the same on spanish boards
[09:25] <superm1_> okay i think i'm just going to start sshd in the vm session
[09:25] <superm1_> and ssh in from a us keyboard
[09:25] <superm1_> :)
[09:25] <laga> wuss
[09:25] <Rimers> hehe
[09:26] <Rimers> it could be alt gr + (key to left of 1 key)
[09:26] <Rimers> but it should be a alt gr combo
[09:28] <superm1_> oh wait, alt gr is the "right" alt, its alt-gr 1 then
[09:29] <Rimers> :) aah nice to know
[09:30] <superm1_> hm well its stuck after "Installed vnc4server"
[09:30] <Rimers> hmm, not nice
[09:33] <laga> :/
[09:34] <superm1_> its weird though. nothing logged about errors or anything
[09:41] <laga> heh
[09:41] <laga> ok, i need to dedicate some time to my xmltv grabber.
[09:42] <laga> before it neer gets finished.
[09:42] <laga> never*
[09:55] <Rimers> superm1: when building the script is estimiting some time, how is that time reprecented?
[09:56] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883; superm1 i got another question about testing the HD in my area.  My friends have this tv: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=family&summary=summary&allCount=34&cp=2032057.2032170&productId=2454749&accessories=accessories&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=features&fbn=Brand%2FPanasonic&custRatings=custRatings&f=Brand%2F1000131%2F&features=features&fbc=1&support=support&tab=techSpecs
[09:56] <hansoffate|work> if i hook up a cable directly to the tuner, will it get the unencrypted local channels, if comcast provides it
[09:56] <hansoffate|work> : (
[10:16] <frink_> yo
[10:22] <MythbuntuGuest21> Hey I had this great idea to register mythbuntu.com but it is already registered by bendailey.  Was that going to be pointed to mythbuntu.org?
[10:24] <laga> no clue :)
[10:32] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest21, why were you going to register the .com?
[10:33] <frink_> is .in taken?
[10:34] <foxbuntu> frink_, I have no idea
[10:35] <frink_> I have a thing for .in at the moment
[10:35] <frink_> as per my current hostname
[10:35] <foxbuntu> but before anyone registers domain names on behalf of Mythbuntu please contact the powers that be (superm1, bendailey , ect) to get their blessing on doing so
[10:36] <laga> yeah
[10:36] <laga> there's no reason why domains should be registered by third parties
[10:39] <frink_> how much is that?
[10:39] <foxbuntu> So if anyone knows a patent attorney willing to help the cause...please let us know
[10:40] <foxbuntu> Im not exatly sure...but the legal fees and all I think around $2000
[10:40] <laga> the web clients are getting increasingly annoying, imho
[10:41] <foxbuntu> webclients?
[10:41] <foxbuntu> from the java irc?
[10:41] <laga> MythbuntuGuestXX
[10:41] <laga> yes
[10:42] <foxbuntu> I almost think converting it to a forum would be better
[10:42] <foxbuntu> but that more time none of us have to check on it
[10:42] <frink_> forums are OK when there is a userbase that will support eachother
[10:43] <foxbuntu> so is the concern of my upcoming business venture...support services
[10:43] <laga> foxbuntu: hire me. :)
[10:44] <foxbuntu> laga, its a thought...I am taking suggestions and ideas from all over right now
[10:44] <foxbuntu> I am seriously running at this thing full speed...just trying to figure out all the details
[10:45] <foxbuntu> pay on like a commision basis
[10:46] <foxbuntu> say I charge $60 for a support call and pay you $45 of it per solved case
[10:46] <laga> guess  you get to create a hardware basis first :)
[10:47] <foxbuntu> yup
[10:47] <foxbuntu> we'll see how many sell
[10:48] <laga> sigh.
[10:48] <laga> working with the XMLTV libs is not exactly fun.
[10:48] <laga> :/
[10:48] <foxbuntu> i bet not
[10:49] <bendailey> laga: yes
[10:49] <bendailey> laga: sorry was away doing my real job :)
[10:49] <foxbuntu> I do have to say I have gained a big understanding of the USplash  since I polished up ours
[10:50] <laga> the complete EPG data i'm supposed to print to stdout. the channel list i need to return from a function. so i can't use XML::Twigs handlers.. ah well, just for the channels it'll be OK
[10:50] <laga> bendailey: no worries, it was the java irc guy who wanted to talk to you :)(
[10:51] <foxbuntu> bendailey, its a simple no however
[10:53] <foxbuntu> laga, and actually everyone offically on the Mythbuntu team...I will say this, I will be willing to provide some kind of commission for sales after the go live, not willing to set numbers or hard facts but I will do it
[10:54] <laga> great :)
[10:56] <Samson-> well now my PVR150 only shows me static on channels >13
[10:56] <Samson-> anyone seen that issue before?
[10:58] <tgm4883> hansoffate|work, yea, that should be just fine to get local unencrypted HD channels
[10:58] <Alowishus> Samson-: change your signal type from US-broadcast to US-cable
[10:59] <Alowishus> Samson-: in backend-setup as a general default, or you can do it on a per-lineup basis
[10:59] <Samson-> Alowishus: let me see
[11:00] <tgm4883> bendailey, the question was in regarding to mythbuntu.com
[11:00] <Alowishus> General -> Global Backend Setup (3rd screen I think?) -> Channel Frequency table
[11:00] <Samson-> Alowishus: it was set to 'default', I changed to us-cable, refilling database, then i'll see if that fixed it
[11:00] <Samson-> Alowishus: thanks for the help
[11:01] <Samson-> Ahh, much better...
[11:02] <tgm4883> laga, what exactly is your issue with the web client.  I honestly want to know if it's something that can be fixed while keeping the client in place
[11:02] <bendailey> tgm4883: ok if the team wants mythbuntu.[com|net]  pointed at the .org it can be done what is the interest level?
[11:03] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, frink_, we'll want to check with superm1 on this, but I think there were plans at some point for a mythbuntu subforum of ubuntu forums
[11:03] <laga> tgm4883: people are anonymous, they come and they go etc. i just don't like that, but i know it can't be fixed
[11:03] <tgm4883> bendailey, I think the interest is high, especially with the .com as that is usually what people think if they only remember the mythbuntu part
[11:04] <tgm4883> laga, but with any irc client they can be anonymous
[11:04] <tgm4883> or are you specifically refering to the name mythbuntuguest?
[11:04] <hansoffate|work> tgm4883 thanks for answering.  I am excited to try this out today.
[11:05] <laga> tgm4883: no, i mean that clueless people come in here, ask clueless questions and vanish cluelessly. but i'm just being grumpy
[11:05] <tgm4883> laga, I've seen regular people come in here and ask clueless questions too
[11:06] <tgm4883> perhaps we do need a dev channel
[11:06] <laga> tgm4883: yeah, i know. i'm being unfair. but the web client makes it easier.
[11:06] <tgm4883> that way people that don't want to be bothered can sit in the dev channel
[11:06] <laga> yu
[11:06] <laga> p
[11:09] <tgm4883> as to the .com thing, stick it on the mailing list and we can discuss it.  I'm for it and think that since we have them we should use them
[11:10] <bendailey> tgm4883: ok I will get an email to the list
[11:10] <laga> or redirect it to tubgirl
[11:10] <laga> if you dont know what tubgirl is, just ignore what i'm saying. do not google it.
[11:10] <tgm4883> tubgirl .com .net or .org?
[11:10] <Alowishus> lemon party
[11:10] <Alowishus> google that
[11:14] <tgm4883> !mythtv
[11:14] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[11:15] <foxbuntu> ??
[11:15] <foxbuntu> !tgm4883
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tgm4883 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <foxbuntu> lol
[11:15] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, ubotu doesnt know you
[11:15] <tgm4883> I dont know ubotu either
[11:15] <tgm4883> dang superbots trying to take over the world
[11:16] <foxbuntu> lol
[11:17] <laga> !porn
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <laga> poor bot
[11:17] <tgm4883> !foxbuntu porn
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foxbuntu porn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <tgm4883> lucky bot
[11:17] <foxbuntu> lol
[11:19] <laga> heh
[11:21] <foxbuntu> !midget porn
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about midget porn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <foxbuntu> damn
[11:21] <foxbuntu> !ubotu
[11:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:21] <foxbuntu> !infobot
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infobot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <foxbuntu> gtg guys...catch you all later
[11:23] <laga> btw, you can teach it stuff. which will be put up for review by the maintainer AFAIK
[11:23] <laga> cya
[11:36] <Tari_> mythbuntu-control-centre segfaults if I try to use it via SSH with X11 forwarding
[11:37] <laga> any messages when you run /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre ?
[11:38] <superm1> laga, i'm here momentarily and just pulled your changes.
[11:38] <superm1> in the console i'm seeing a lot of 'help!'?
[11:40] <Tari_> no messages, laga
[11:40] <laga> superm1: heh
[11:41] <laga> superm1: that's just a debugging leftover thingy
[11:41] <superm1> well that and: SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[11:41] <superm1> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:41] <laga> superm1: btw, dpkg-reconfigure is not yet called
[11:41] <superm1> when i was trying to install a backend role
[11:41] <laga> is that my fault?
[11:42] <superm1> well i dont recall it happening before.
[11:42] <superm1> let me mess with a few things
[11:42] <superm1> might need to add to the try: block
[11:42] <superm1> to make sure that is caught though anyhow
[11:42] <laga> yeah
[11:42] <laga> looks like a apt-get thing to me
[11:42] <laga> nothing i knowingly changed
[11:42] <superm1> well apt-get -f install comes up clean
[11:42] <laga> odd
[11:45] <superm1> DaveMorris, why aren't u adding admin_session.sh to m-d-s?
[11:45] <DaveMorris> because at the time I didn't know that was the package which installed it
[11:45] <superm1> ah
[11:46] <DaveMorris> so rathe rthan spending time finding out the package which did it, I just stuck a wget and chmod in the build script
[11:46] <superm1> good makeshift solution :)
[11:46] <DaveMorris> next ppa will have my modified one in though
[11:46] <superm1> okay cool
[11:47] <superm1> how are things looking then right now, settings taking effect as they should?
[11:47] <DaveMorris> well I'm just building it now to try
[11:47] <DaveMorris> but I'm more hopeful now than before
[11:47] <DaveMorris> :)
[11:48] <superm1> laga, its trying to turn on mythweb authentication when i dont have mythweb installed....
[11:48] <DaveMorris> I did lunges today in my weight training, and now my arse/back of my legs are killing me!
[11:48] <superm1> laga, and i dont see anywhere in the gui to customize mythweb stuff anyhow?
[11:49] <laga> superm1: in the applicatns & plugins tab, there should be a checkbox
[11:49] <superm1> laga, nope
[11:50] <superm1> is it supposed to be at least grayed out?
[11:50] <superm1> there is nothing there at all for me
[11:50] <laga> superm1: oh
[11:51] <laga> superm1: it'll only show up if mythweb is installed.
[11:51] <tgm4883> heh
[11:51] <laga> <- sneaky bastard
[11:51] <superm1> laga, can you have it default to be grayed out
[11:51] <superm1> instead of hiding it all together
[11:51] <laga> ok
[11:51] <superm1> similar to how the mythtv-setup area is grayed out
[11:51] <superm1> if mythtv-backend isn't installed
[11:52] <superm1> i'll push my change that catches apt cache errors
[11:52] <laga> k
[11:52] <laga> great
[11:52] <superm1> but also you need to make sure that mythweb stuff is only added to the list of stuff when necessary
[11:52] <laga> will taken a look tomorrow, i've wrapped my head around perl right now and dont wanna change.
[11:52] <laga> yes
[11:52] <superm1> because i dont need mythweb auth stuff w/o mythweb :)
[11:53] <laga> it probably happens because i'm preseeding it incorrectly. that has yet to be added correctly
[11:53] <superm1> DaveMorris, where is your admin_session.sh script?  I'd like to wget it right now really quick to see how things are looking.  (My build just finished)
[11:54] <DaveMorris> http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/mythbuntu/admin_session.sh2
[11:56] <superm1> DaveMorris, the graphic is being fully stretched out
[11:56] <superm1> it should be centered instead
[11:57] <superm1> and if you can hide all the icons on the desktop
[11:57] <superm1> except the install one
[11:57] <DaveMorris> I did center it and hide the icons, but I've prob copied the wrong settings
[11:57] <superm1> i dunno
[11:57] <superm1> just what i see :)
[11:57] <DaveMorris> mine hasn't finshed building yet
[11:57] <tgm4883> superm1, ygm
[11:58] <tgm4883> I just sent you a screenshot of an error i got when updating gutsy to install mythtv
[11:58] <tgm4883> it's doesn't cause any functionality problems
[11:58] <tgm4883> it's more of just a warning
[11:58] <superm1> okay thanks tgm4883
[12:00] <superm1> hm interesting tgm4883
[12:00] <superm1> i wonder how to get around that
[12:00] <tgm4883> not sure, it's not a problem, but may send red flags to new users
[12:00] <superm1> eyah
[12:01] <superm1> DaveMorris, i wonder if perhaps a lot of this is happening from it accidently loading the files in /etc/xdg/ rather than /etc/xdg/mythbuntu
[12:02] <DaveMorris> well, the reason I'm not sure yet, is because when I edited the settings in the livecd to get what we wanted, I wasn't sure if it was saved to /home or /etc
[12:02] <superm1> oh okay
[12:02] <superm1> probably /home
[12:03] <superm1> would make the most sense
[12:03] <DaveMorris> yeah it would
[12:03] <superm1> well mind you that after you get things how you want, you can always scp in the new .deb rather than need to rebuild it all
[12:03] <superm1> to do a test
[12:03] <superm1> just make sure to remove /home/ubuntu/.config
[12:03] <superm1> so that it doesn't override any settings
[12:04] <superm1> DaveMorris, waht i am ending up getting in my ~/.xsession-errors
[12:05] <superm1> is "Unable to open file /etc/xdg/mythbuntu/xfce4/.... for writing" where .... is a long list of files
[12:05] <DaveMorris> you know whats causing those?
[12:05] <DaveMorris> thats when the .config file is removed
[12:05] <DaveMorris> s/file/dir
[12:05] <superm1> oh when you don't have one?
[12:08] <superm1> DaveMorris, ah okay
[12:08] <superm1> so see /etc/xdg/mythbuntu/xfce4
[12:08] <superm1> it looks to see if XDG_CONFIG_HOME is defined
[12:08] <superm1> /etc/xdg/mythbuntu/xfce4/xinitrc
[12:08] <DaveMorris> hang on a 60 secs, virtualbox is just loading
[12:11] <DaveMorris> ok, I can hide all the icons but we don't have the installer icon on the desktop
[12:11] <superm1> well have you pulled my latest revision of build script?
[12:11] <superm1> it was added some revision or two ago
[12:11] <bmathis> hey everyone
[12:11] <DaveMorris> prob now
[12:12] <DaveMorris> no I've not
[12:12] <superm1> no biggies
[12:12] <superm1> its just one icon that shows up
[12:12] <DaveMorris> even when you set xfce to not manage your deskop?
[12:12] <superm1> it only shows up under the 'ubuntu' user
[12:12] <superm1> and under xfce or gnome
[12:13] <bmathis> does anyone have a good tutorial to get s-video to work, i cant seem to get it to work
[12:14] <DaveMorris> bmathis: what gfx card you got?
[12:14] <bmathis> its a nvidia geforce2
[12:17] <bmathis> mx400
[12:17] <directhex> what was the reason for moving from OB to xfce4?
[12:18] <superm1> DaveMorris, in looking at /usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/xfce4-panel.html#panel-advanced
[12:19] <superm1> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS might be more appropriate than XDG_CONFIG_HOME
[12:19] <superm1> in the admin_session.sh
[12:19] <superm1> directhex, because it feels more like ubuntu to most people, and then we get network manager easily usable
[12:19] <DaveMorris> bmathis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456&page=13 was writtend for dapper and may have been updated
[12:19] <superm1> the NM easily usable part s the big benefit
[12:19] <superm1> for people needing wifi
[12:20] <directhex> superm1, well NM is nice
[12:20] <superm1> i mean my own personal opinion is that you shouldn't do wifi on a myth box, but some people still want to
[12:20] <superm1> so its the easiest way to get that across i think
[12:20] <bmathis> thanks
[12:20] <directhex> superm1, it's not just wireless though. it makes using a VPN trivial too
[12:20] <superm1> yeah indeed
[12:21] <superm1> again not a good combo for most myth boxen though :)
[12:21] <DaveMorris> bmathis: also the nvidia config tool cna be helpfull, although it always defaults your keybaord etc to US which is a pita
[12:22] <superm1> not for US folks its not :)
[12:22] <bmathis> is the config tool in the repos or do i need to do a search for it?
[12:22] <DaveMorris> its in repos
[12:22] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, are you talking about nvidia-settings?
[12:22] <superm1> its part of the nvidia-glx package
[12:22] <superm1> yeah
[12:22] <tgm4883> yea
[12:23] <tgm4883> what superm1 said
[12:23] <DaveMorris> yeah
[12:24] <tgm4883> kinda like how bug 137167 is now burned into my brain
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[12:24] <bmathis> thanks, im gonna play with it for awhile, I come back here if i have any more issues
[12:25] <tgm4883> superm1, how does the computer know if mythtv-setup has been run or not?
[12:25] <superm1> the first time mythtv-setup is launched, a file is created in ~/.mythtv
[12:25] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:25] <tgm4883> cause it's saying i haven't run it
[12:26] <superm1> ~/.mythtv/backendconfigured
[12:26] <tgm4883> (in my VM)
[12:26] <superm1> i believe
[12:26] <superm1> well have you ran it?
[12:26] <tgm4883> yep
[12:26] <superm1> how?
[12:26] <tgm4883> although i didn't add any tuners or anything
[12:26] <tgm4883> I ran it from the control centre
[12:26] <superm1> well that shouldn't have mattered
[12:26] <superm1> and you setup auto login in the control centre too?
[12:26] <tgm4883> like i was changing from gutsy to install mythbuntu
[12:26] <tgm4883> yep
[12:26] <superm1> bzr.
[12:27] <tgm4883> im checking for the file right now
[12:27] <tgm4883> there is no ~/.mythtv/backendconfigured
[12:28] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:28] <tgm4883> there is a /home/mythtv dir, but it's not in there either
[12:29] <tgm4883> ~/.mythtv/backendconfigured is there on my mythbuntu box
[12:30] <tgm4883> not sure if this matters, and I just realized this
[12:31] <tgm4883> but when installing and running mythtv-setup when I was in GDM, i got the crappy looking GANT theme, now when prompted to run mythtv-setup in openbox, I get the slick blue theme
[12:32] <superm1> because it can connect to your backend this time around perhaps?
[12:33] <superm1> tgm4883, can you file a bug about the backendconfigured issue?  It's going to need a bunch of further investigation as to why thats happening
[12:33] <tgm4883> heh
[12:33] <tgm4883> I think i may know
[12:33] <tgm4883> I still can't connect to the database
[12:33] <tgm4883> and I think i now realize why
[12:33] <tgm4883> I was never given a database password
[12:33] <laga>  {
[12:33] <laga> oops, sorry
[12:33] <laga> perl & focus problems ;)
[12:34] <superm1> well m-c-c makes one behind the scenes
[12:34] <tgm4883> right
[12:34] <tgm4883> but shouldn't it tell me what it is?
[12:34] <superm1> is this a secondary backend/frontend that was setup?
[12:34] <superm1> or primary?
[12:34] <tgm4883> primary backend/frontend
[12:34] <superm1> then the defaults should work out appropriately
[12:35] <tgm4883> ok, but here is the issue, if it did make a password for the database, mythtv-setup is not using it
[12:35] <tgm4883> the password that it is trying to use is mythtv
[12:35] <superm1> is there  a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt somehow?
[12:36] <tgm4883> heh, yea i have that
[12:37] <tgm4883> it says that the password is mythtv
[12:37] <superm1> well how did that get made?
[12:37] <tgm4883> good question
[12:38] <superm1> i've got a theory.  perhaps because mythtv-setup got launched as root
[12:38] <tgm4883> yea the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt password is much different
[12:39] <superm1> so your user never got added to the mythtv group somehow
[12:39] <superm1> or more particularly for that exact reason
[12:39] <superm1> well i gtg
[12:39] <superm1> i'll be back later
[12:39] <laga> cya
[01:14] <laga> "going to be" what?
[01:14] <laga> ah, bed
[01:15] <DaveMorris> did you head to that beer festival in Munich?
[01:15] <laga> no
[01:15] <laga> o_O