[00:06] <humphreybc> i just had a chat with jono on skype
[00:11] <humphreybc> i'll email the list with details soon
[01:36] <humphreybc> godbyk: ping
[01:38] <humphreybc> anyone know how to merge in LP?
[02:10] <godbyk> humphreybc: pong
[02:10] <humphreybc> ah gidday
[02:10] <humphreybc> how easy would it be for you to change the hyperlink colour of the contents to something other than bright blue?
[02:10] <godbyk> Easy peasy.
[02:11] <humphreybc> could you do that real quick and push? i'll update the file on my server then. I've emailed some blogs and they're probably going to blog about the alpha release
[02:11] <godbyk> Sure.
[02:11] <humphreybc> would be nicer if we could have a better looking contents because the bright blue is ugly :P
[02:13] <godbyk> Heh.. it's actually DarkBlue. :-)
[02:13] <humphreybc> lol
[02:14] <godbyk> How about I switch all the colors to Ubuntu red or something?  Would that be better?
[02:14] <humphreybc> yeh
[02:14] <humphreybc> there's also a merge proposal on LP, if you could take a look at that too.. i've got work in a minute
[02:15] <godbyk> A merge proposal? What do they want merged?
[02:18] <humphreybc> some stuff in chapter 2
[02:18] <humphreybc> let me know when you push the changes to the contents
[02:28] <godbyk> humphreybc: Pushed.
[02:28] <godbyk> Changed from 'bright' blue to brighter red. :-/
[02:28] <humphreybc> sweet
[02:28] <humphreybc> haha
[09:43] <vish> godbyk / thorwil : http://imagebin.ca/view/SXGPBET6.html how's this font?
[09:45] <vish> benjamin wanted different font from what we have now , so i switched to that^
[10:08] <thorwil> vish: the "Ub" is unfortunate
[10:09] <vish> thorwil: yeah , i already tried separating them.. more space?
[10:10] <thorwil> vish: you could increase the tracking for the whole thing
[10:10] <thorwil> just don't add space between only those 2 characters
[10:10] <vish> nah , not space:)
[10:10] <vish> thorwil: tracking only for the "Ubunutu" or for all the letters?
[10:11] <thorwil> vish: all letters
[10:11] <vish> hmm , k..
[10:12] <thorwil> vish: you understand the difference between tracking and kerning?
[10:12] <vish> yup , kinda
[10:12] <thorwil> tracking is also called letter-spacing
[10:12] <thorwil> referring to the spacing between all letters
[10:12] <vish> thorwil: ah , i thought you earlier meant space [by spacebar]
[10:12] <thorwil> while kerning is about pairs
[10:14] <thorwil> btw, Ben assigned me to the Artwork/Screenshots/Diagrams blueprint
[10:14] <thorwil> i unassigned myself because of the Scrrenshots/Diagrams part
[10:15] <vish> yeah , noticed ;)
[10:15] <thorwil> and his not bothering to ask first
[10:19] <thorwil> vish: i also think you should have said No! to changing the font on the preliminary title page
[10:20]  * thorwil continues some house work
[10:20] <vish> :)
[10:50] <komsas> hello guys, I'm thinking to be Lithuanian translation coordinator. I'm new with this position, so what I must know and do to be good coordinator?
[10:53] <komsas> humphreybc: I think you can give me some guidelines..:)
[10:54] <humphreybc> hi komsas, we don't really have translation coordinators at the moment - everything is all a bit messy with translations at the moment
[10:55] <humphreybc> when we have our writing freeze on march 18th we'll be able to focus a lot of time into fixing the translations and appointing coordinators etc
[10:56] <komsas> So you say to wait till march 18th?
[10:56] <humphreybc> hmm, for the role of coordinator yes. for the meantime there are a lot of other things that you are welcome to help out with if you're looking for something to do
[10:58] <komsas> I'm intresting with translations, main goal to ship lithuanian version till ubuntu release.
[10:59] <komsas> humphreybc: thanks, so now I will work to catch best translator till march 18th.
[10:59] <humphreybc> yep are you translating at the moment?
[11:00] <komsas> yes, we will start soon.
[11:01] <humphreybc> awesome
[11:02] <humphreybc> any questions just flick me an email or find me in here
[11:02] <humphreybc> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <komsas> I'm thinking to create launchpad gruop for lithuanian manual translators, what you think about this idea?
[11:02] <komsas> ok, I will :)
[11:05] <humphreybc> komsas: I'd prefer it if you didn't create another group
[11:05] <humphreybc> we don't want 30+ ubuntu manual groups for all the translating teams
[11:05] <humphreybc> but you're welcome to go and grab a part of the wiki
[11:06] <humphreybc> perhaps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/lithuanian
[11:06] <komsas> Oh, nice :)
[11:09] <humphreybc> dutchie, godbyk, thorwil, ping
[11:09] <thorwil> pong
[11:10] <humphreybc> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/48hours
[11:12] <thorwil> humphreybc: count me out
[11:12] <humphreybc> why?
[11:13] <thorwil> because i have other things to worry about
[11:13] <humphreybc> righto, that's cool. I'll see if wolter wants to hold your class
[11:14] <thorwil> he can't. he could hold his class, but not mine
[11:16] <humphreybc> okay well I'd like to have a class that gives the artwork team a chance to explain things to everyone else
[11:17] <thorwil> humphreybc: btw, you assigned me to that Artwork/Screenshots/Diagrams blueprint. i initially just wanted to help with th title page. suddenly i become team leader. ok so far. but i will not take on any further responsibility, while the current situation is already shaky
[11:18] <thorwil> so i unassigned myself. screenshots? no
[11:18] <humphreybc> okay, well if you don't want to be team leader then that's all good
[11:18] <humphreybc> how do you mean shaky?
[11:19] <thorwil> humphreybc: i guess you have to catch up on some mails on the list
[11:19] <humphreybc> yep, can you summarize?
[11:21] <thorwil> humphreybc: basically this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00638.html
[11:22] <thorwil> humphreybc: what i'm writing here might sound more dramatic than it actually is
[11:22] <humphreybc> right. well I wouldn't go as far as calling that shaky. We've still got over two months till release, and to be honest, I wasn't even planning on thinking about artwork until halfway through march
[11:23] <humphreybc> I think the actual content is in a worse position right now than the artwork
[11:24] <humphreybc> but we'll get there
[11:24] <humphreybc> we've done pretty damn well so far and most of the people in the ubuntu community are very impressed
[11:24] <humphreybc> so I wouldn't worry too much :)
[11:29] <thorwil> i simply see a huge gap between vish and me and the few people who recently provided feedback
[11:30] <thorwil> and i feel the need to counteract the offer-your-finger-and-have-your-hand taken phenomenon ;)
[11:31] <humphreybc> well, your in charge of the artwork team. you do what you think is best for the project. talk to me first and just okay anything important, but apart from that, I trust your ability to make the right decisions
[11:34] <thorwil> humphreybc: how did you count "about 5 people" in the artwork team?
[11:35] <humphreybc> i just guessed, there's you, vish, wolter and is kolorguild around?
[11:36] <thorwil> no, never saw or heard anything of him again
[11:36] <humphreybc> ah okay
[12:05]  * humphreybc just counted the languages the manual is being translated into: 40!
[12:16] <thorwil> humphreybc: how to handle translation of the title page text?
[12:20] <humphreybc> ah yes the million dollar question
[12:21] <humphreybc> honestly? i've been avoiding answering it because I don't know how we're going to do it!
[12:22] <thorwil> humphreybc: i expect that we will have to do deal with each title page translation manually, to stay in control of the layout
[12:22] <humphreybc> yeah that's probably going to be the case. I never predicted we would have so many translations
[12:22] <thorwil> we will at least need a list of the title translated in all those languages
[12:23] <thorwil> some of which we can't read at all
[12:23] <humphreybc> True. We can email all the translators and ask them to translate that one string into their own language and put it on a wiki page somewhere
[12:24] <thorwil> humphreybc: does the wiki support other scripts like Cyrillic?
[12:24] <humphreybc> i'm not sure
[12:25] <humphreybc> from a quick google search, i think yes
[12:25] <thorwil> humphreybc: it might be better if we can get translators to create titlepage SVGs with the translations
[12:26] <thorwil> humphreybc: less work for the few who can check the layout and less worry about issues with input methods and such
[12:27] <thorwil> that means the page has to be 100% nailed down until we could do that
[12:27] <humphreybc> yep, can we aim for a final title page design by March 18th?
[12:28] <humphreybc> that's when we're freezing the writing and release beta. then all hands will be on screenshots and translations
[12:28] <humphreybc> it'll be really busy, like, REALLY busy!
[12:28] <thorwil> that should work
[12:32] <humphreybc> yeah. we'll get there, it might just be a bit hectic
[12:42] <humphreybc> thorwil: I just replied to the title page thread on the ML
[12:51] <thorwil> humphreybc: that's very acceptable :)
[12:51] <humphreybc> cool, happy?
[12:52] <thorwil> just relieved ;)
[12:53] <humphreybc> sweet
[12:53] <humphreybc> so if you would like to talk to wolter at some point and come up with another design or two, then that would be awesome
[12:53] <humphreybc> where are you from btw? I don't think I've ever asked
[12:54] <thorwil> germany, north-west, not far from the Netherlands
[12:54] <humphreybc> what city?
[12:54] <humphreybc> I learnt german for 4 years in high school
[12:54] <thorwil> mönchengladbach
[12:55] <humphreybc> my teacher was from Heidleberg
[12:55] <humphreybc> not sure if that's the correct spelling
[12:55] <thorwil> cool
[12:55] <thorwil> heidelberg
[12:55] <thorwil> humphreybc: can you say "streichholzschächtelchen"?
[12:56] <humphreybc> i can attempt it!
[13:00] <thorwil> had 9 years of english classes. last 3 with a british lady
[13:01] <humphreybc> oh cool
[13:01] <humphreybc> did you see the agenda for the meeting tomorrow btw?
[13:01] <thorwil> my spoken english is only a meager shadow of my written ... that's what happens if you read/write daily but talk like once a year, max
[13:02] <thorwil> humphreybc: yes. can't think of something to add
[13:04] <humphreybc> ah so not that many people speak english in your town?
[13:04] <humphreybc> i can hardly speak german anymore
[13:04] <humphreybc> ich sprechen ein bisschen deutsch
[13:05] <humphreybc> can you make it to the meeting?
[13:06] <thorwil> humphreybc: almost only natives here, germans don't speak english if they don't have to, although many have had there 6 or 9 years of classes
[13:06] <humphreybc> dutchie: ping - check your facebook wall
[13:07] <humphreybc> thorwil: yes i've heard that. I haven't been to europe before but i'd love to go
[13:09] <thorwil> humphreybc: meeting time is fine for me
[13:09] <humphreybc> awesoe
[13:09] <humphreybc> with an m in there too
[13:10] <humphreybc> right i better get some sleep
[13:10] <humphreybc> lots of stuff to do tomorrow
[13:10] <humphreybc> keep up the good work thorwil
[13:10] <thorwil> humphreybc: you can get very far with english in europe, but you gain bonus points if try to speak at least a few words in the native language
[13:11] <thorwil> humphreybc: sleep you very well
[13:26]  * vish notices thorwil's attempt at "Yoda" ;p
[13:29] <thorwil> vish: huh?
[13:30] <vish> "sleep you very well" , i thought you were trying to speak like yoda , the star wars character.. oops  :s
[13:33] <vish> thorwil: hehe , it would have been more accurate with "sleep you very well may"  :)
[13:33] <thorwil> trying to speak like yoda there is no, you do or don't
[13:53] <vish> wtf! benjamin asked to redo the fonts and he sent out the one he already has!
[14:02] <vish> seriously a waste of time!
[14:03] <vish> thorwil: i should have listened to you :s  and said no
[19:55] <komsas> We have in translations problem, one men translating all content with google translate, what we can do to stop it?
[20:02] <godbyk> komsas: Which language?
[20:03] <komsas> lithuanian
[20:04] <komsas> I'm talking about this guy https://launchpad.net/~nerijusgargzduose
[20:06] <godbyk> I'll talk to humphreybc and dutchie about setting the permissions from Open to Structured.  That may cut down on the drive-by translation stuff a bit.
[20:06] <godbyk> Is there a Lithuanian team?
[20:07] <komsas> we now making it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/lithuanian
[20:07] <godbyk> Okay.
[20:08] <godbyk> I would recommend emailing the ubuntu-manual mailing list and asking if we can set the project translation permissions from Open to Structured.
[20:08] <godbyk> I think another translation team earlier raised the question, too.
[20:09] <komsas> ok, I will find this raised question.
[20:10] <mcqr> Hey, guys. I've read a bit of the manual and I'd like to give some suggestions. In the chapter dealing with installation of Ubuntu, there is written something like that: "you should download Ubuntu from their homepage and burn it to disk" and there is a sidenote something like this:"read the manual of your OS how to burn a disk". When I first tried to install linux, I ruined 8(!) CD because I didn't know how to burn an iso
[20:12] <komsas> godbyk: I have permissions to change it. Can I change it to Structured for now?
[20:13] <godbyk> komsas: Since it affects all the other translators, we should probably wait to hear back from others first.
[20:14] <komsas> oh, you are right .
[20:15] <godbyk> mcqr: Thanks for your suggestion.  I think someone emailed the list earlier today with the same suggestion and the author of that chapter made a note of it.
[20:16] <godbyk> mcqr: Here were the suggestions made on the list earlier: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00659.html
[20:16] <godbyk> Feel free to write in to the list with more recommendations, as well!
[20:17] <thorwil> strange. the fonts Free Helvetian/Paladin/Schoolbook have copyright tags like this: Copyright (URW)++,Copyright 1999 by (URW)++ Design
[20:17] <thorwil> but they're all from some free fonts debian/ubuntu package
[20:17] <godbyk> thorwil: What's strange about it?
[20:18] <thorwil> godbyk: just a (c) with no license terms usually means all rights restricted
[20:19] <godbyk> thorwil: Ah, I've noticed most fonts' copyright terms (the stuff embedded in the ttf/otf file) are often out-of-sync with the license they've been released under.
[20:19] <thorwil> godbyk: i' trying to assemble a list of fonts suitable for body text and maybe title page
[20:20] <thorwil> fontmatrix is being a great help, but some font-metadata isn't what it should be, obviously :)
[20:20] <godbyk> thorwil: Cool! I'm trying to find appropriate fonts for all the languages we're supporting.. and people keep translating it to even more languages!
[20:20] <godbyk> fontmatrix is pretty awesome.
[20:20] <godbyk> will it let you filter by script (language)?
[20:21] <thorwil> version 0.6 is indeed awesome, the one from karmic not
[20:21] <godbyk> I'm running the svn version.
[20:22] <thorwil> godbyk: i see no sign of filtering by script
[20:22] <godbyk> Darn.  That'd really help me out.
[20:22] <godbyk> I've been running otfinfo -s and grep to find fonts and it's, well, sub-optimal. :)
[20:26] <thorwil> godbyk: any clue on the differences between the 4 gentium variants?
[20:29] <godbyk> thorwil: Looks like the Book variant is a bit bolder than the others.
[20:30] <godbyk> Otherwise, there's some difference in the Unicode coverage as well.
[20:31] <godbyk> From the site: "The 'Basic' fonts only support a limited Latin character set (no Greek or Cyrillic). Gentium Book is a new companion family to Gentium that is altogether slightly heavier, and better suited for some publishing needs."
[21:02] <thorwil> Charis SIL renders very good in fontmatrix
[21:06] <thorwil> MgOpen fonts all seem to have some problems leading to missing characters or bad kerning
[21:28]  * dutchie gets round to updating the translations
[21:42] <godbyk> dutchie: Does it still wipe out the translations when we update them?
[21:42] <dutchie> all the ones that have changed
[21:42] <dutchie> which will be most of them considering how long it's been since I updated them
[21:51] <dutchie> humphreybc: thanks for warning me about doing a talk :P
[21:51] <humphreybc> dutchie: yep thought i'd give everyone plenty of warning :P
[21:51] <dutchie> first I heard was in the announcement
[21:51] <humphreybc> you don't have to if you don't want to, but I just thought i'd jot down the main people and see how we go
[21:52] <dutchie> it's fine, it was just a bit of a shock seeing it in the announcement before anywhere else
[21:52] <humphreybc> yeah I'm going to talk through it with you guys at the meeting tomorrow
[21:53] <humphreybc> what do you think of the idea?
[21:53] <dutchie> seems cool
[21:55] <humphreybc> swell
[21:55] <humphreybc> hopefully it'll teach people like Wendy some latex so she can commit herself without sending stuff to Ilya
[21:55] <humphreybc> and if we teach everyone Ground Control that would be awesome
[21:55] <dutchie> we can play with lernid too :)
[21:56] <humphreybc> yep!
[21:56] <humphreybc> It's good because Jono and Martin want testers for Lernid and Ground Control
[21:56] <dutchie> something of a jono-endorsed dev tools fest
[21:56] <humphreybc> and we're a big project, so basically we get kudos for testing their stuff, and it benefits our team as well
[21:56] <dutchie> humphreybc: I updated the translations tonight
[21:57] <humphreybc> yep i saw that, hey did you just get the email from komsas about structuring translations?
[21:57] <dutchie> I bet we get a massive load of people complaining that everything changed
[21:57] <dutchie> I did see it
[21:58] <humphreybc> have another look, i just replied and he replied
[21:58] <humphreybc> sounds like a good idea, but we'll have to tell the translators somehow
[21:58] <humphreybc> and they're going to have to set up teams and all that
[21:58] <dutchie> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/PermissionPolicies
[21:59] <humphreybc> ah
[21:59] <humphreybc> "Anyone can suggest a translation for those languages, though."
[21:59] <humphreybc> "For languages that aren't covered by a translation group, anyone can
[21:59] <humphreybc> directly submit a translation."
[21:59] <humphreybc> so it won't be that bad
[22:00]  * dutchie is exhauste
[22:00] <dutchie> d
[22:00] <humphreybc> what time is it?
[22:00] <dutchie> 10 pm
[22:00] <humphreybc> gotcha
[22:00] <humphreybc> 11am here
[22:00] <humphreybc> on saturday
[22:00] <humphreybc> righto i think we'll switch to structured
[22:00] <humphreybc> i'll email the team
[22:01] <dutchie> I fixed the planet too
[22:01] <komsas> Hi guys, I see that lithuanian translations is assigned to lithuanian ubuntu translation team, I'm in this team, so for us is everythink ok if you change permission. It will be good action.
[22:03] <humphreybc> okay cool
[22:04] <humphreybc> komsas: i'm just doing that now
[22:05] <komsas> I don't know how, but I would like to clean all translations from that user who made mess.
[22:05] <humphreybc> komsas: nice work on the lithuanian wiki page
[22:05] <komsas> thanks ;)
[22:06] <humphreybc> I can't read lithuanian but it looks good :)
[22:06] <dutchie> komsas: if you just find their translations on translations.launchpad.net, you should be able to retranslate them
[22:07]  * humphreybc changes to structured
[22:09]  * humphreybc prays that the translators don't explode
[22:11] <komsas> I see that I'm not first talking about permissions so everybody will be happy
[22:13] <humphreybc> oh are more people wanting structured?
[22:13] <humphreybc> i have to admit I have been very ignorant with translations
[22:14] <humphreybc> I haven't taken much time to understand how they actually work, or to set up a proper structure
[22:14] <humphreybc> but it's great that you've come forward to talk to the rest of the team komsas - we normally hardly hear from translators!
[22:15] <komsas>  godbyk said today that someone was writing about it in mailing list.
[22:15] <dutchie> humphreybc: are we going to be using #ubuntu-classroom for the 48 hours thing?
[22:15] <humphreybc> maybe but I think we could have it all in Lernid?
[22:15] <komsas> humphreybc: I think from alhpa more people will come..
[22:16] <dutchie> humphreybc: lernid just acts as a pretty front-end to IRC
[22:16] <dutchie> I'm updating the wiki now
[22:16] <humphreybc> ah right, well yes #ubuntu-classroom will be good
[22:16] <dutchie> people can still use old-fashioned clients if they like :)
[22:16] <humphreybc> either there or in our chat room
[22:17] <humphreybc> wow. my server has uploaded 627mb of stuff in the last 12 hours since omgubuntu blogged about the alpha. Which means about 300 people have downloaded our alpha manual
[22:17] <dutchie> blimey
[22:17] <humphreybc> yea
[22:18] <humphreybc> good thing i'm on unlimited internet now!
[22:18] <dutchie> actual unlimited unlimited?
[22:19] <humphreybc> yep
[22:20] <humphreybc> telecom big time
[22:20] <humphreybc> it's traffic managed between 9-5, but it's still fairly quick
[22:20] <humphreybc> and at night it's nice and fast AND unlimited bandwidth
[22:21] <humphreybc> for some reason my server has some sort of memory leak: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/phpsysinfo
[22:21] <dutchie> wow
[22:21] <dutchie> checked [h]top?
[22:21] <humphreybc> check out the uptime, but then look at the physical memory usage and the network usage
[22:22] <dutchie> rubbish uptime :P
[22:22] <dutchie>  22:22:11 up 10 days, 51 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.56, 0.40, 0.35
[22:22] <humphreybc> haha yeah
[22:22] <komsas> I'm thinking how to get rid of bad translations. Main thing is that now showing that we are translated ~50% of content, but in real there are only 2-3%.
[22:22] <humphreybc> it was up a month before i restarted yesterday
[22:22] <humphreybc> my friend came to stay and he slept in the server room (lounge) so I turned it off at night so it wouldn't keep him awake
[22:22] <dutchie> humphreybc: it's sad when you have to do that
[22:23] <humphreybc> komsas: I think you'll probably just have to go through and overwrite what he's done
[22:23] <humphreybc> dutchie: nothing showing in top
[22:23] <komsas> I cant to make it back to clean position.
[22:23] <komsas> ;/
[22:23] <dutchie> komsas: I somewhat doubt many will be left once the new template imports :)
[22:24] <humphreybc> dutchie: i think phpsysinfo is reporting it wrong
[22:24] <dutchie> komsas: but if you go to https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/main/+pots/ubuntu-manual/lt/+translate then you can set the dodgy ones back to empty (or a proper translation)
[22:24] <humphreybc> memory usage only shows 95mb / 497
[22:24] <humphreybc> perhaps phpsysinfo adds the memory usage up instead of having it in real time... which would be a bug
[22:31] <humphreybc> links are href right?
[22:31] <dutchie> <a href="target">text</a>
[22:35] <humphreybc> nah for latex. i worked it out, \url
[22:40] <humphreybc> godbyk: ping
[22:41] <godbyk> humphreybc: pong
[22:41] <humphreybc> have you used agave before to match colour schemes?
[22:41] <humphreybc> i'm going to plug in some of our colours to see what it comes up with
[22:42] <godbyk> I have, yeah.
[22:42] <godbyk> humphreybc: here are the ubuntu colors, fwiw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[22:43] <humphreybc> oh wow
[22:43] <humphreybc> i thought that UbuntuRed looks way too bright
[22:44] <humphreybc> UbuntuMaroon maybe? :P
[22:45] <godbyk> yeah, I think the red is too bright.
[22:45] <godbyk> looking at this color palette, I like the accent red base or the accent deep red: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-palette.png
[22:46] <godbyk> you want the color to look dark when printed in b&w, too.
[22:47] <humphreybc> accent deep red for URLs and accent red base for sections?
[22:47] <humphreybc> then something like Accent yellow shadow for subsections
[22:48] <humphreybc> and Human base for subsubsections?
[22:49] <humphreybc> try those out and see how they look
[22:49] <humphreybc> :D
[22:49] <godbyk> I don't think we need different colors for sections and subsections.
[22:50] <humphreybc> yeah you're probably right
[22:50] <humphreybc> so chapter headings are in black, sections in accent deep red and URLs in red base?
[22:51] <humphreybc> or swap the URL and sections colours. probably doesn't matter that much
[22:51] <godbyk> we'll see.  I'm need to sit down and read what folks have written so I can start the new design soon.
[22:51] <humphreybc> cool
[22:51] <humphreybc> how is the font hunting going?
[22:52] <godbyk> Well, I've been stuck on the Telugu script for a while, but I'm going to move on and look at the other translations.
[22:53] <humphreybc> cool
[22:53] <godbyk> I'd like to have the translated manuals be as well-designed (typographically speaking) as the English manual.
[22:54] <godbyk> Unfortunately, I only speak English, so I'll be relying on the translators for some help there.
[22:55] <godbyk> Speaking of fonts, I just got some new font specimens in the mail today.
[22:55] <godbyk> Pretty.
[22:55] <godbyk> Too bad I have no money. :-(
[22:56] <humphreybc> how much are fonts?
[22:58] <godbyk> It varies quite a bit, but it's not unusual to see a family go for a few hundred bucks.
[22:58] <godbyk> (US$)
[23:09] <humphreybc> eek


[00:21] <ScottL> persia, i just read what you wrote about falktx
[00:21] <ScottL> having upload rights coupled with his dedication to audio applications could be a huge boon for Studio
[00:21] <ScottL> even if he doesn't join the team
[00:22] <rlameiro> ScottL: but i think he is part of the team
[00:22] <rlameiro> at least on launchpad
[00:22] <persia> I think he joined the team at some point
[00:22] <persia> But we ended up not giving him the support he needed to succeed within the team :(
[00:22] <rlameiro> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j
[00:22] <ScottL> do you mean the ubuntustudio team?  or the -dev team?
[00:24] <persia> Yes?
[00:24] <persia> I'm not sure we're large enough to have meaningful distinctions.
[00:24] <ScottL> ah, okay
[00:25] <persia> We all do some bug work, we all do some testing, many of us fiddle with PPAs or backport, etc.
[00:25] <ScottL> hopefully we can reengage him then :)
[00:25]  * ScottL is going outside to watch kids while swimming
[00:25] <persia> That would be good, but we'll need to not drop the ball when he uploads improvements :)
[00:28] <ScottL> persia, you mean uploading to REVU?
[00:28] <persia> Or attaching good patches to bugs, etc. yeah.
[00:29] <ScottL> gotcha
[00:29] <persia> nedko was working with us fairly closely for a while, but we couldn't keep up with him, and he's now making the world better upstream.
[05:59] <jussi> morning all
[06:16] <persia> jussi: Backscroll has important data :)
[06:16] <persia> (about 8 hours back)
[11:57] <rlameiro> ScottL: well, the new info about jack using a different file for priority setting is already spreading http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/HowToRunPDWithRealtimePriorityInUbuntu
[14:26] <scott-work> stochastic: did you have a preference for a meeting time?
[14:27] <scott-work> recently, the meetings have been on the 2nd Sunday of the month, but this one is Mother's Day, which obviously may not be good for many people
[14:28] <scott-work> I would suggest we try for the following weekend and the accustomed time:  Sunday, May 15th @ 19:00 UTC
[14:28] <scott-work> how does that sound?
[14:50] <astraljava> Works for me.
[15:00] <scott-work> astraljava: good :)   i'm really happy that you will be involved
[15:01] <astraljava> scott-work: Hope I'm of usage. :)
[15:18] <scott-work> i'm sure you will be
[15:19] <scott-work> and if everyone does a little then we can accomplish pretty great things ;)
[15:27] <astraljava> True.
[21:09] <stochastic> scott-work, you mean Sunday May 16th (not 15th) at 19:00UTC - that works for me.
[21:26] <scott-work> ack, you are correct stochastic
[21:27] <scott-work> good deal, i'll see about setting it up (wiki and emails) unless someone else really wants to do it


[00:21] <marcus_> Let me try again. I'm Marcus, from Flock. I'm trying to get the Ubuntu packaging files for Flock, so I can try building it on my own machine.
[00:22] <marcus_> Is there a place I can get a tar or something of these files?
[01:50] <[reed]> marcus: use bzr?
[02:26] <saivann> asac : I just wanted to say you another thank you for the time you invested with me in the chmsee fix. Working with you is very instructive.
[08:29] <asac> hi
[08:29] <asac> jcastro: there?
[09:45] <asac> saivann: welcome. just keep up the good work
[10:39] <Venus_Mars> hi asac
[10:54] <asac> hi
[13:55] <xionox> Hi!
[13:56] <xionox> Asac, can I talk to you few minutes ?
[13:56] <asac> xionox: why not? :)
[13:57] <xionox> you haven't respond yesterday :)
[13:57] <xionox> You remember me ?
[14:01] <asac> xionox: i remember your nick ;)
[14:01] <asac> i dont remember the topic - without digging deep in my brain - sorry
[14:01] <xionox> it is a good start :p
[14:01] <asac> i had a shay connection yesterday so maybe you send a msg here while i was reconnecting
[14:02] <asac> shaky
[14:02] <asac> donnt have a message from you in this channel yesterday
[14:02] <xionox> I'll do an internship during the summer at mozilla europe
[14:02] <asac> now i remember ;)
[14:02] <asac> hehe
[14:02] <asac> yeah
[14:03] <asac> but havent received a message yesterday
[14:03] <xionox> I start working monday
[14:03] <xionox> it was just a little private "Hi!"
[14:05] <asac> xionox: cool
[14:05] <asac> so did we decide yet on what you will work?
[14:05] <asac> i think we talked about some simple task to start with and then go on to godlike things ;)
[14:06] <xionox> yes, exactly
[14:07] <xionox> So I was thinking that we could talk a little bit of that
[14:09] <xionox> getting agree on some ideas
[14:11] <asac> xionox: you still remember the ideas we had?
[14:11] <xionox> you talk about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashExperienceIntrepid
[14:12] <asac> xionox: do you still have the other points i mentioned? i think i suggested a few simple tasks from some different areas
[14:12] <asac> otherwise: what date did we chat?
[14:12] <asac> there might be irclogs
[14:12] <xionox> I don't realy remember
[14:13] <xionox> and date....
[14:13] <xionox> :s
[14:15] <xionox>  simple tasks about integration of firefox ?
[14:16] <xionox> i've proposed a kind of Kill firefox button in the "Firefox is already running" dialog
[14:17] <asac> xionox: ah ... the other things was "safe" upgrading
[14:17] <xionox> ok
[14:19] <xionox> what prerequisites I have to know ?
[14:20] <asac> ok ... can you create a wiki page for you on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[14:20] <asac> i would then add the points to that page
[14:20] <asac> e.g. like wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderSack
[14:20] <asac> just with your name
[14:24] <asac> xionox: let me know when you have that site up
[14:24] <asac> my ideas start come back ;)
[14:25] <xionox> With name or nickname ?
[14:25] <asac> xionox: we usually use real name there
[14:25] <asac> (and name the nick on that page)
[14:28] <xionox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArzhelYounsi
[14:29] <xionox> I'll write a presentation later if you want to
[14:40] <asac> xionox: i added a few things that are most likely not comprehensible for outsiders
[14:40] <asac> Ill add a few more and clean up
[14:40] <asac> have to take a break and then hav a phone conference
[14:40] <xionox> ok
[14:40] <xionox> thanks
[14:40] <xionox> i'll read that
[14:42] <xionox> see you later ;)
[16:47] <asac> fta2: where is prism upstream hosted?
[16:48] <asac> the vcs


[15:45] <maxb> Hmm. I'm seeing connection timed out errors on apache.org imports. Wonder if we've been firewalled :-/
[16:11] <lifeless> possibly
[17:51] <jelmer> maxb: we were earlier
[17:51] <jelmer> maxb: I thought that had been removed
[17:52] <jelmer> maxb: please don't re-enable any old cscvs imports of apache.org branches
[19:01] <maxb> jelmer: I know, and didn't. But there was a bzr-svn one behaving atypically (lp:subversion)
[19:02] <jelmer> maxb: the bzr-svn file properties were copied over when the svn repository was migrated to the apache svn
[19:03] <maxb> ouch
[21:58] <maxb> I have made apologies to #asfinfra, unblocking is in progress
[21:59] <lifeless> maxb: hi
[21:59] <lifeless> maxb: what did we do?
[22:00] <maxb> I tried to reenable the lp:subversion import over the weekend whilst suspending all the other apache.org ones to avoid them killing each other with sqlite errors
[22:01] <maxb> According to jelmer there's something broken in the bzr-svn metadata that go copied into the ASF repo when Subversion joined the ASF, leading to bzr-svn to go nuts
[22:05] <lifeless> oh
[22:05] <lifeless> shame
[22:09] <jelmer> maxb: I didn't realize it made bzr-svn go nuts
[22:09] <jelmer> maxb: It should just cause an exception, that's all
[22:11] <lifeless> StevenK: hi
[22:12] <lifeless> StevenK: I've edited^Wfixed your bug from yesterday
[22:12] <maxb> jelmer: I think what happens is that it sees a revid it doesn't know about, and then proceeds to inefficiently populate its revid-map-cache by sequentially doing a revproplist on every revnum
[22:13] <jelmer> urgh
[22:13] <maxb> the situation is exacerbated by the revid-map-cache population not being resumable, and sometimes not even being committed to sqlite even when complete, owing to a commit_conditionally() which really ought to be a commit()
[22:13] <jelmer> maxb: can you file a bug about that?
[22:14] <maxb> will do
[22:21] <jelmer> maxb: thanks :-)
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[22:25] <StevenK> lifeless: Patches welcome
[22:26] <lifeless> indeed!
[23:01] <lifeless> StevenK: any idea how we'd qa Bug 680733 ?
[23:02] <_mup_> Bug #680733: broken recipe build gets stuck at top of "5 latest builds" list on recipe page, forever <lp-code> <qa-needstesting> <recipe> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by thumper> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/680733 >
[23:04] <jelmer> maxb: also, thanks for handling those apache imports!
[23:04] <StevenK> lifeless: I have no idea about recipes
[23:04] <lifeless> StevenK: ok
[23:05] <StevenK> I was expecting "No time like the present to learn"
[23:06] <lifeless> StevenK: I'd love it if you're interested in learning
[23:06] <lifeless> but it is sunday
[23:07] <StevenK> Which is a concept you're unfamilar with, so why do you recognise it in other people?
[23:09] <lifeless> I recognise many alien things
[23:10] <StevenK> I don't believe that
[23:27] <poolie> heh


[09:58] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa: If someone can put a tick on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12503 I can forward merge a couple of patches to 2.9.
[12:52] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12509. Short, no conflicts.


[01:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:07] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: afternoon
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> hey there wyoung
[06:13] <ducasse> good morning
[06:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:54] <Deano59> morning. can't believe how cold it is!
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> Howdy all! (not a script)
[13:20] <Deano59> I wonder what I should eat today. can't have pizza, again. -.-
[14:16] <wyoung> Deano59: Pizza is tastey
[17:50] <Maik> since when is this a offtopic channel for pizza day chit-chat?
[17:50] <Maik> ;)
[17:53] <daftykins> Maik: i suppose after eating fish every day under the bridge, they branch out and it's such a special occasion they want to share!
[17:55] <Maik> lol
[17:56] <sarnold> I could go for a pizza
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> in the morning sarnold ? :p
[17:56] <daftykins> mmm i nearly went to get one tonight but the callout has me tired
[17:56] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: oh sure, pizza is wonderful stuff :)
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[17:57] <Maik> MMmmmm... donuts
[18:07] <DJones> anybody around willing to test a remove from channel alias, hopefully it'll work with no issues
[18:24] <sarnold> DJones: sure, test it on me, and if it works I might ask to steal it :)
[18:25] <DJones> sarnold: its ok, already tested and it worked, but thanks anyway
[18:26] <DJones> Just trying to get back into IRC and dealing with issues
[18:26] <DJones> Need to uodate scripts etc
[18:26] <sarnold> cool :)


[21:09] <lefti_> ubuntu virgin here after using windows for 15 years
[21:09] <lefti_> i am so glad i have come to this side
[21:10] <lefti_> may you all have good luck in your lives, linux for life
[21:11] <OneM_Industries> Er...indicator-cpufreq is erroring out..
[21:11] <bekks> And we have to guess the error? :)
[21:12] <OneM_Industries> No, I am uploading it.
[21:12] <bleb> Instances of .xsession are piling up as I log in and out. To prevent this, I tried setting KillUserProcesses=1 in /etc/systemd/logind.conf but the problem persists. Anything else I might try?
[21:12] <amazingalex224> hi
[21:12] <OneM_Industries> http://pastebin.com/TVYjizkw
[21:12] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: fixparts can remove the GPT signatures, assuming that you really do have a valid msdos partition table and the GPT signatures are just stale junk.
[21:12] <OneM_Industries> ^The error.
[21:12] <Shiroe> I from Poland and i have only pl version (i think... but meaby there is english too)   -  https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZ4ATHZyLxbzc4fjduQz1PS0OmMUJP0t3pV
[21:13] <bekks> OneM_Industries: Is that the full output?
[21:13] <amazingalex224> im trying to format a hard drive i have, but when i delete and make a new nfts partion via gparted(its a external hdd) it says 1 of 2 operations completed, and a error message thgat says "libparted messages !"
[21:13] <OneM_Industries> Yes, it is.
[21:13] <Shiroe> W8, this is 32bit version xD
[21:13] <Chicken_Wrap> ovidiug: Stupid question, but worth a shot; some of the forum posts indicate that it should exit cleanly if it is indeed left-overs from GPT. You ran it as root and used /dev/sda?
[21:13] <Jordan_U> Shiroe: ovidiug: bootrec.exe won't fix this particular problem anyway.
[21:13] <Shiroe> 64x -   https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZQATHZO4Kx1jgmmrYW9a6vtRNNRbcbJQek
[21:13] <amazingalex224> can anyone help me or nah?
[21:13] <OneM_Industries> I ran it as both root and not root, just in case.
[21:14] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: Well, my Windows is working fine, and the partitions are OK from what I can tell, and I've never had any OS on it, as I said, I've installed Win 2 weeks ago..
[21:14] <Shiroe> :/
[21:14] <iAmerikan> amazingalex224: what are the libparted messages
[21:14] <iAmerikan> are you running gparted as root
[21:14] <amazingalex224> idk, it just says libparted messages and blue exclamation mark to the right of it
[21:14] <amazingalex224> i put in my password when i launched gpartefd
[21:14] <amazingalex224> i put in my password when i launched gpartefdgparted
[21:14] <amazingalex224> gparted.
[21:15] <amazingalex224> accidently hit up and tried correcting my self xD
[21:15] <ovidiug> Chicken_Wrap: I ran ' sudo fixparts /dev/sda
[21:15] <amazingalex224> but how do i see the messages
[21:15] <Chicken_Wrap> amazingalex224: Have you tried using fdisk?
[21:15] <ovidiug> Chicken_Wrap: And then I get that notice saying I probably have GPT left over.
[21:15] <Chicken_Wrap> amazingalex224: mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda?
[21:16] <ovidiug> Chicken_Wrap: And it prompts me to delete them or not.
[21:16] <Jordan_U> Chicken_Wrap: amazingalex224: Do not use that command, it will create a filesystem on the drive as a whole rather than a partition, which is not what you want.
[21:16] <iAmerikan> Jordan_U: he said format the drive then make a partition
[21:16] <Chicken_Wrap> Then my bad. But wouldn't that format it completely?
[21:17] <amazingalex224> i just wanna completly wipe them, i have 2 500gb of toshiba hard drives, and my usb type B cable that i ordered just came in, it reads the data, so ik the hard drives work
[21:17] <Chicken_Wrap> He could format, new partition, mkfs.ntfs.
[21:17] <stefff> Hi all :)
[21:17] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello, stefff.
[21:17] <iAmerikan> amazingalex224: do you plan on splitting one or both drives into multiple partitions?
[21:17] <stefff> Hi Chicken_Wrap
[21:18] <amazingalex224> its 2 seperate hard drives
[21:18] <amazingalex224> both external
[21:18] <amazingalex224> and as of right now i dont plan on splitting them
[21:18] <Jordan_U> iAmerikan: "format" is an ambiguous term, and even if they thought that they wanted to create a filesystem on the drive as a whole without any partition table, they were wrong. That's almost never a good idea.
[21:18] <stefff> I'm looking for a newsgroup software to post text ; thunderbird does not work, encoding pb :-/
[21:18] <stefff> "A News (NNTP) error occurred: 441 437 UTF-8 charset is not allowed in group "
[21:19] <bekks> stefff: UTF8 isnt pb.
[21:19] <stefff> bekks: NNTP server restriction ?
[21:19] <bekks> stefff: NNTP server channel restriction. UTF8 not allowed.
[21:19] <JohK> hi, got a little problem, I tried to dist-upgrade a box on saucy to the newest version; first time it went one dist to trusty; then I used do-release-upgrade -d and it tried to jump right to xeial
[21:19] <iAmerikan> Jordan_U: in what way is it not a good idea? you're saying you need a table for the filesystem?
[21:19] <stefff> bekks: but I set TB to ISO :(
[21:20] <amazingalex224> do i do that command, well to be honest idk what it was, what was the command
[21:20] <bekks> stefff: Apparently not ;)
[21:20] <JohK> now I’m stuck with many apt dependency errors
[21:20] <iAmerikan> amazingalex224: are you sure you're trying to format the correct drive with gparted
[21:20] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: Chicken_Wrap: Should I just delete the GPT signatures, what do you think?
[21:21] <amazingalex224> oh ik the libparted message
[21:21] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: Yes, that is exactly what you should do and will solve this problem.
[21:21] <stefff> bekks: Right. The option has been removed when sending the post :-/ TB does not keeps my encoding preference :(
[21:21] <amazingalex224> it says Too Many Partitions
[21:21] <amazingalex224> but i only have 1???
[21:21] <amazingalex224> tf
[21:21] <JohK> what I tried was introducing all missing dists to sources.list
[21:21] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: Ok, I hope it'll work, brb.
[21:21] <Chicken_Wrap> Jordan_U probably knows. I'm not incredibly experienced with partitioning.
[21:21] <amazingalex224> i just tried to delete 1 and recreate 1 using gparted
[21:21] <JohK> but apt still can’t resolv the dependencies (I don’t have aptitude and can’t install it)
[21:21] <amazingalex224> and it says that
[21:22] <bekks> JohK: like trusty, raring, etc.?
[21:22] <JohK> yup
[21:22] <nicomachus> eeeek
[21:22] <bekks> JohK: Safe way to break things entirely.
[21:22] <Jordan_U> iAmerikan: Having a filesystem without a partition table makes it more likely that (poorly written) software will overwrite data on the drive and corrupt things, leaves you with a less flexible configuration (you can't easily create another partition even if you want to later on), confuses *people* who expect to be mounting partitions, and gains you approximately nothing.
[21:22] <JohK> bekks: also pinned trusty
[21:22] <stefff> Who can tell me another newsgroup software (except pan or TB) ?
[21:23] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: I pressed Y and I got this: Erasing GPT data!
[21:23] <ovidiug> Warning: 0xEE partition doesn't start on sector 1. This can cause problems
[21:23] <ovidiug> in some OSes.
[21:23] <ovidiug> MBR command (? for help):
[21:23] <bekks> JohK: fix your sources.list instead.
[21:23] <JohK> bekks: sure how
[21:23] <bekks> JohK: BY reverting your edits.
[21:24] <Dylan____> Still having trouble getting wireless working on xubuntu
[21:24] <steff_> back :)
[21:24] <JohK> bekks: then I’m still stuck with the xenial sources.list
[21:24] <Chicken_Wrap> Welcome back, steff_.
[21:24] <Chicken_Wrap> You're rocking an underscore now. :^)
[21:24] <JohK> bekks: and broken dependencies that can’t be resolved
[21:24] <Dylan____> Im installed the sta driver from the usb and it still doesnt want to see or find any networks
[21:25] <amazingalex224> tell me when some1 fixes my problem
[21:25] <llldino> Dylan____: Can you connect to a wired network temporarily?
[21:25] <Chicken_Wrap> amazingalex224: Keep on the lookout instead.
[21:25] <Dylan____> No cause the ethernet i have is adsl and the cord doesnt fit into my mac
[21:25] <jonny5000> hello all.  I have 14.04 installed on a lenovo yoga 13.  the track pad had been working fine until all of a sudden it dissappeared after waking from sleep.  weird.  Evenutally I came up with the genius idea to put it back to sleep and wake it back up and the track pad was back, but with a PROBLEM:  single finger tap, which is supposed to enact primary (Left)  click enacts "right click", and two finger tap which is supposed t
[21:25] <jonny5000> o enact "right click" enacts left.  They are reversed.  How do I get it back to normal.  Scrolling works fine, as does mechanical actual click (not tap)
[21:26] <amazingalex224> wait i fixed it :)
[21:26] <Chicken_Wrap> What happened, amazingalex224?
[21:26] <amazingalex224> i clicked create new partition table, then made a new partition
[21:26] <amazingalex224> it kept saying i had 2 many partions, when i only had 1
[21:26] <llldino> Dylan____: You grabbed the .deb package you need and ran it right?
[21:26] <amazingalex224> on an external hard drive
[21:26] <nicomachus> jonny5000: that Yoga trackpad has been nothing but trouble in my experience. tons of bugs.
[21:26] <Dylan____> Yes im ran dkms and the bcmwl from my usb
[21:27] <Dylan____> Normally that would work if i ran those in ubuntu
[21:27] <JohK> bekks: problem is that I already have some of xenials packages installed and many marked for the upgrade
[21:27] <jonny5000> nicomachus, agreed.  had a bitch of a time getting it to work the first attempt at installation.  then just reinstalled the os, and it worked.  inexplicably.  any ideas on how to reverse those settings?
[21:27] <llldino> Dylan____: Have you tried restarting the computer since that?
[21:27] <bekks> JohK: You manually have to fix that mess now.
[21:27] <Dylan____> Yes
[21:27] <Dylan____> And nothing has happened
[21:27] <Dylan____> I even did a fresh install
[21:28] <JohK> bekks: is do-release-upgrade not supposed to only jump to  a compatible releaseß
[21:28] <JohK> ?
[21:28] <nicomachus> jonny5000: no, sorry. I haven't had any luck with that model. you can try some things from this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[21:28] <MiningMarsh> jonny5000: maybe try disabling and then enabling it in X? type `xinput` into a terminal, look for the line that is the Yoga touchpad, and see what the id number is. then type `xinput disable <id>` and then `xinput enable <id>`
[21:28] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: I'm a little confused by that error message because you don't (and shouldn't) have any 0xEE partition at all.
[21:28] <bekks> JohK: Depends on what it finds in your sources.list
[21:28] <bekks> JohK: Which is quite messed up.
[21:28] <JohK> bekks: it wasn’t
[21:28] <llldino> Dylan____: Hmm. Can I see the output of lspci?
[21:29] <amazingalex224> i tried the same on my second hdd and it said this: mknfts -Q -v -L "" /dev/sdc1
[21:29] <nicomachus> jonny5000: and also this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[21:29] <amazingalex224> and it has a red exclamation mark
[21:29] <JohK> bekks: it properly upgraded from saucy to trusty
[21:29] <JohK> bekks: and then tried to jump straight to xenial, only after that happened I manually edited the source.list
[21:29] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: Now when I try to run fixparts again it just says that warning message and it doesn't prompt me to delete the GPT left overs. What is the 0xEE partiton and why shouldn't I have it?
[21:29] <bekks> JohK: And you added all distros, and messed up that file doing so.
[21:30] <Dylan____> Ok
[21:31] <JohK> bekks: nothing has happened in between as apt-get was/is stuck in the unresolveable dependency state
[21:31] <JohK> bekks: and I roled back to either trusty / xenial sources.list, still stuck in the unresolveable dependency state
[21:32] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: A 0xEE partition is a "protective" partition for GPT. Essentially, all disks with a GPT partition table are supposed to *also* have an msdos partition table with a single partition spanning the entire drive, so that partitioning software that doesn't understand GPT doesn't just think the drive is blank and they can write anywhere they want. You don't have GPT, and thus shouldn't have a protective
[21:32] <nicomachus> JohK: you shouldn't have xenial sources...
[21:32] <Jordan_U>  partition. You should be fine, GParted should now see your partitions correctly.
[21:32] <JohK> I know
[21:32] <JohK> and I didn’t want to
[21:32] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: And Ubuntu's installer should also see your partitions and thus your Windows installation now.
[21:32] <JohK> I wondered why apt-get threw so many errors and discovered it then
[21:33] <nicomachus> JohK: paste your sources.list at paste.ubuntu.com and link it here
[21:33] <bekks> JohK: Because you installed packages from other distros already.
[21:33] <JohK> bekks: yeah because I didn’t know that xenial was introduced into my sources
[21:34] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: I see...that's pretty weird. Well, earlier it said that I had those left overs and maybe with the 0xEE partition was linked with them and those couldn't be deleted. Should I try to install it again to check if it works properly or what more can I do before that?
[21:34] <wahben> My user's keyboard configuration is broken: I'm using xubuntu, Was using Ubuntu 14.04 then installed Xubuntu 15.10, kept home partition. When typing French accents, it doesn't wait for accented letter, it justs inputs the accents). Typing ê should be done by typing ^ followed by e, but in my case it just inputs ^. This only happens for existing users on this computer. It works as expected for a new user. Any idea how to fix this?
[21:34] <JohK> nicomachus: I can but it is either a sources.list with trusty sources or xenial sources.list created from do-release-upgrade
[21:35] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: That error message is spurious, I'm seeing it on a drive here as well that I know is fine. Try installing again and you will not longer have the problem of Windows and your existing partitions not being detected.
[21:35] <Jordan_U> s/not/no/
[21:35] <JohK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14424350/
[21:36] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: Ok, I'm very grateful for your help, I really appreciate it. I'm going to try it now. Be right back.
[21:38] <steff_> Ok solved ! need to go to Preferences > Display > Formatting > Advanced > Character Encodings > Outgoing Mail ; otherwise Thundebird ignore encoding :(
[21:38] <JohK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14424367/ here is the backuped xenial sources.list that created the mess
[21:38] <daftykins> JohK: xenial is not out yet and so discussion is in #ubuntu+1
[21:39] <JohK> daftykins: thanks, I did not _want_ to upgrade to xenial
[21:39] <bekks> JohK: then why did you?
[21:39] <daftykins> JohK: yeah if that wasn't the goal, how did you come to edit your sources.list manually?
[21:40] <JohK> daftykins: I only did after the fact
[21:40] <daftykins> wow you've got some intrepid stuff at the end there
[21:40] <daftykins> that's mighty historic
[21:40] <JohK> daftykins: I tried to jump from saucy to wily
[21:41] <JohK> daftykins: dist by dist
[21:41] <JohK> daftykins: afaik that is what do-release-upgrade is supposed to do?
[21:41] <daftykins> were you running it with -d?
[21:41] <JohK> daftykins: I did not catch that it showed xenial as the next release and proceeded with the process
[21:41] <JohK> daftykins: possible
[21:41] <daftykins> no once you got to 14.04 you likely had it locked to LTS upgrades only so it ignored both 15.xx versions
[21:42] <JohK> oh ok
[21:42] <daftykins> so how far did it get and what are you hoping to achieve now?
[21:42] <JohK> I’d like to get back to a usable apt-get
[21:43] <daftykins> i've no idea where to go from there, it might be too far gone
[21:43] <JohK> aptitude usually helps a lot with solving dependencies when they are available
[21:43] <JohK> but I don’t have it on this box, and I can’t install it
[21:43] <daftykins> you certainly can't downgrade, so most likely you'll need to clean install, preserving your /home
[21:43] <daftykins> or if it's not on a separate partition, backup
[21:44] <ovidiug> Jordan_U: It works now! It sees all the Win partitions properly. Thanks again for all your help!
[21:44] <Jordan_U> ovidiug: You're welcome :)
[21:45] <JohK> daftykins: is there a tool like debotstrap, so I can reinstall from the running machine?
[21:45] <MyStuff> hi, with nvidia-settings I separate my 2 monitors Screen 0 and Screen 1, after restart server x my Screen 1 on second monitor is black and my mouse icon change. Help please
[21:45] <JohK> sigh the package exists… and I can’t install it
[21:45] <Pici> mc/50
[21:45] <daftykins> JohK: i'd boot a flash drive with the chosen edition on it... i'd not try to fix broken from inside ;)
[21:45] <nicomachus> Pici: undefined, error in value "mc"
[21:46] <llldino> MyStuff: Try running nvidia-xconfig after you set up the monitors how you want them
[21:46] <luckyy_> How can I remount a flash drive so that it is read writable so I can write an iso to it?
[21:46] <luckyy_> Using ubuntu 14.04
[21:47] <Jordan_U> luckyy_: What is your end goal? Are you planning to boot from this iso?
[21:47] <daftykins> luckyy_: cheap ones tend to die write only, so it might be dead - but you don't mount a drive you're writing an ISO to, just put it directly on /dev/sdX with cp or dd
[21:48] <luckyy_> I am planning to take my iso and write it to the flash drive and boot from that flash drive
[21:48] <MyStuff> llldino: nvidia-xconfig it's ok but after I don't know how to configure my second monitor to use. I can't to move any windows on second monitor
[21:48] <daftykins> luckyy_: so you're saying that fails right now?
[21:49] <llldino> MyStuff: If you poke around nvidia-settings you should be able to set up your monitors how you like them
[21:50] <daftykins> you'd need to run nvidia-settings with "gksu" in order to have the permissions to write changes to xorg.conf so they're set permanently
[21:51] <daftykins> otherwise, you would have to run nvidia-settings at every login to set the choices
[21:51] <Jordan_U> luckyy_: Then you're misunderstanding more than one concept. I recommend using Ubuntu's "Startup Disk Creator". It's fairly easy to use, and doesn't risk you losing the data that's currently on your flash drive.
[21:52] <MyStuff> monitors are set up, problem is I can't to use second monitor mouse move inbut I can't to move a windows in
[21:52] <JohK> daftykins: I don’t think that box can boot from usb stick… grml
[21:53] <daftykins> JohK: DVD then?
[21:53] <llldino> MyStuff: You might have set them up backwards, try moving the mouse over to the side of the monitor that doesn't have the monitor beside it
[21:53] <daftykins> most things in the last 12+ years can USB boot
[21:53] <JohK> daftykins: right
[21:54] <JohK> daftykins: that might be about its age...
[21:55] <MyStuff> llldino: my mouse move in my second monitor
[21:55] <nicomachus> JohK: this is also helpful for machines that can't be from USB: https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html
[21:56] <llldino> MyStuff: Right so you set them up abckwards. Go back to nvidia-settings and go to the tab that has a picture of two monitors with the numbers 1 and 2 in them You should be able to drag them around, and what you want to do is switch the one labeled 1 and 2 around
[22:00] <MyStuff> llldino: soory my english is very bad. you don't understand. My 2 monitors are correctly placed First left and second to right, it works. I can to move my mouse on both monitors but I can do nothing else
[22:00] <daftykins> i think you've picked the wrong nvidia mode
[22:01] <MyStuff> move a window or right clic does't work
[22:03] <zerooneone> I'm having a problem with postfix on ubuntu, which seems to be looking for a non-existing lib file  libcidn-2.19b.0.so
[22:03] <zerooneone> from syslog: Jan  6 11:35:02 server04 kernel: [14424521.440842] pickup[97098]: segfault at 2 ip 00007f79193fe3ed sp 00007fffe3679bb0 error 4 in libcidn-2.19b.0.so[7f79193fc000+4000]
[22:05] <zerooneone> libcidn-2.19b.0.so should be in /lib but it's not, and when I try to make a symlink it says file already exists
[22:05] <zerooneone> ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcidn-2.19.so /lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so   ... ln: failed to create symbolic link '/lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so': File exists
[22:05] <zerooneone> but the file doesn't exist
[22:06] <Jordan_U> zerooneone: Please post the output of "ls -l /lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so".
[22:07] <zerooneone> Jordan_U: ls: cannot access /lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so: No such file or directory
[22:07] <dotpixis> zerooneone: do you have read permission in that dir?
[22:08] <ikonia> missing symlink ?
[22:08] <zerooneone> i should have as root
[22:08] <dotpixis> zerooneone: that's not absolutly true
[22:08] <MyStuff> Another thing in extended monitor mode , if I have 2 mice is what I can assign a mouse to a monitor only ?
[22:08] <daftykins> more mouses isn't the answer :>
[22:09] <Chicken_Wrap> Sure it is. The world needs more mcie.
[22:09] <Chicken_Wrap> *mice.
[22:09] <zerooneone> dotpixis: true enough, but i do have read/write
[22:09] <dotpixis> then does the dir exsist?
[22:09] <MyStuff> daftykins: I know, I try to find a another way to do that I want
[22:09] <daftykins> i think you just need to configure the nvidia settings properly
[22:10] <zerooneone> dpkg -S libcidn does not show that file
[22:10] <Jordan_U> zerooneone: Please pastebin the output of "ls -l /lib/"
[22:10] <zerooneone> and I haven't source installed libc6 anything
[22:12] <zerooneone> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14424621/ Jordan_U
[22:12] <asseater> Noob here. I just installed ubuntu on a partition of my secondary hard drive. The main hdd has windows installed on it. I can't seem to get my computer to boot into grub. Does this mean I have to install it to the primary hard drive? And is that a different process due to the windows install present on it?
[22:13] <MyStuff> daftykins: with 2 monitors, first X Screen 0 and second monitor X Screen 1. If it works, after I could to assign 1 mouse to 1 monitor
[22:14] <daftykins> i don't understand you at all.
[22:14] <daftykins> asseater: change your nick to something appropriate first :)
[22:14] <asseater> :T
[22:14] <Chicken_Wrap> ":T Considering it."
[22:15] <MyStuff> daftykins: 2 monitors, 2 mice
[22:15] <daftykins> MyStuff: no i think that idea is crazy
[22:16] <genii> asseater: You can change your name to something more suitable for out family-friendly channel with: /nick newname   where newname is something not about rumps and consuming them
[22:16] <nicomachus> MyStuff: what... 2 mice? why....? i don't even think that could work
[22:16] <llldino> MyStuff: Why not look around google for an answer for that? I think that's a little beyond the scope of this channel
[22:17] <llldino> Im sure you can have like, 2 Xorg instances and then a mouse for each of them but I wouldn't even know where to start
[22:17] <daftykins> it's more that it's the result of not getting something working properly
[22:18] <MyStuff> like multiseat
[22:18] <OerHeks> MyStuff, that would only work in like multiseat
[22:18] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions
[22:18] <llldino> daftykins: Maybe, but I can see why that might be useful, for instance, playing a multiplayer game locally
[22:19] <llldino> Maybe look into virtualization, that would be the easiest way to impliment something like that, but if you're only doing that to fix your current isusue, yeah, I'd agree it's crazy
[22:19] <segap_> hey guys is there something I'm missing here ? if I use ##   ssh -T apache@$host<<EOSSH                     environment variables pass in but loops and general flow inside screws up .   but if i use  ## ssh -T apache@host<<EOSSH       I don't have access to my variables but the flow control works
[22:19] <daftykins> heh no that's equally insane :)
[22:19] <segap_> grrr
[22:20] <segap_> <<'EOSSH'  has the flow control .... <<EOSSH has the variable access . Sorry typo on the original
[22:21] <MyStuff> OerHeks: thx I will try it
[22:24] <Jordan_U> segap_: What do you mean by flow control not working? Please pastebin an example of a script you're using, with its here document, and the output you recieve.
[22:25] <segap_> of course 1 minute
[22:26] <huluhuluhulu> huluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhuluhulu
[22:26] <Chicken_Wrap> Hulu, hulu?
[22:27] <psusi> segap_, huh?  the two commands you listed were exactly the same
[22:27] <le_pig> :|
[22:27] <huluhuluhulu> you like hulu!
[22:28] <OerHeks> You want chrome for hulu
[22:30] <segap_> psusi, yep sorry made a typo in it ... so here's an example Jordan_U   https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7bcdac7fa384723b1e91
[22:31] <segap_> in the first block of code Environment is passed through fine, in the second one the echo will be blank
[22:32] <segap_> but if i try without the ' ' on EOSSH then , it's weird like the if statments or loops don't function correctly ... can't explain it
[22:32] <psusi> segap_, I think you have that backwards... in the first, you set $Environment locally, then ssh to the other machine, which knows nothing about it... in the second, you ssh to the remote first, and then set $Environment there
[22:32] <zerooneone> Jordan_U: also now apt is looking for the file: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-29-generic .. cp: cannot stat '/lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so': No such file or directory
[22:33] <segap_> psusi, yeah in the second one I need to get the value but using $(hostname)
[22:33] <zerooneone> oddly google has never heard of libcidn-2.19b.0.so
[22:33] <segap_> psusi,  cause it won't recognise the local one ? any idea ?
[22:34] <psusi> segap_, yea... the remote server has no idea what variables you have set locally
[22:34] <segap_> psusi, yeah but it does in the first example , like the command ls /home/shared/scpuser/jenkinsBackup/$Environment/ | xargs rm works
[22:35] <genii> zerooneone: Seems to be a file provided by libc6-i386
[22:35] <segap_> psusi,  like it will echo $Environment
[22:35] <psusi> segap_, ohh, right... your local shell replaces $Environment and then the result of that is what is sent to the remote shell
[22:35] <arjessiger> HI
[22:35] <klinebottle> what is the ubuntu equivalent to the open command?
[22:36] <lost_part> Hi. xubuntu 12.04. I have a primary(SSD) and a secondary(SATA) HDD. The SATA upon a reboot disappeared from the OS. BIOS sees it, fdisk sees it, blkid does NOT see it. Here is a screenshot of fdisk -l --> http://imgur.com/oGuF1Cg  -- What can I do to re-establish the EXT4 partition that was once there? Thanks.
[22:36] <lost_part> klinebottle, in what context?
[22:36] <Chicken_Wrap> klinebottle: xdg-open.
[22:36] <arjessiger> como instalar programas en obuntu mate
[22:36] <klinebottle> os x
[22:36] <Chicken_Wrap> xdg-open
[22:36] <klinebottle> thanks
[22:36] <Chicken_Wrap> No problem.
[22:36] <klinebottle> can you set it to just open without xdg?
[22:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes, klinebottle.
[22:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Make an alias.
[22:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Put it into your .bashrc file.
[22:37] <segap_> psusi,  so basically is there any way to replicate that using the 'EOSSH' context , since I need to use loops and I've no way of that server knowing the value
[22:37] <arjessiger> in ubuntu mate
[22:38] <zerooneone> genii: ok it's in /lib32/libcidn-2.19.so not /lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so which is what apt is looking for
[22:39] <SiGe> Hey guys, is there anyway to find how many disks are attached to my ubuntu instance?  I have used fdisk -l and ls /dev/xvd* to see the list of disks in an AWS EC2 instance, but it seems like I can't see all the disks for some reason.
[22:40] <bekks> SiGe: sudo blkid
[22:40] <bekks> SiGe: How do you know you cant see all disks?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> segap_: You haven't answered my question about the "problem with flow control". What you're describing with environment variables is exactly how here documents in bash work, if the sentinel is quoted then no variable expansion is performed. Neither version of a here document has any concept of flow control, so that is all handled in the remote shell.
[22:40] <SiGe> @bekks I don't, i2.8xlarge s are supposed to come with 8x800GB disks, but I can only see two 800GB disks with fdisk -l and ls /dev/xvd*
[22:41] <SiGe> bekks: I also tried looking into dmesg to no-avail (only two disks were attached)
[22:41] <psusi> segap_, don't put the quotes around EOSSH and instead escape the $Environment with a leading \
[22:41] <bekks> SiGe: So pastebin sudo blkid
[22:41] <segap_> Jordan_U,  yeah sorry I don't even know how to explain it myself. It appears as though if i try it without the 'EOSSH' and use just EOSSH that there's almost a race condition and literally every command attempts to run at once without waiting on the previous ones
[22:42] <psusi> segap_, that's kind of neat though... I didn't know you could quote the HERE word... but it seems to make it treat the entire HERE document as if it were quoted and so the local shell does not do any substitutions
[22:42] <Jordan_U> segap_: Stop trying to explain it and simply pastebin example output so that I can see what is happening myself.
[22:42] <SiGe> bekks: one sec, booting up the instance -- doesn't blkid read off of /proc/disk*?
[22:43] <segap_> Jordan_U, good idea :)
[22:43] <zerooneone> so can I use /etc/alternatives to point to the right file?
[22:43] <SiGe> bekks: a single line, since the rest of the disks are not mounted or partitioned: /dev/xvda1: LABEL="*" UUID="*" TYPE="ext4"
[22:44] <bekks> SiGe: Pastebin the entire output.
[22:44] <SiGe> http://pastie.org/private/ulfdxxeptypaopoguuieuw @bekks
[22:45] <bekks> SiGe: So you have just one disk.
[22:45] <psusi> SiGe, what makes you think there are any more disks?
[22:45] <SiGe> psusi: just the spec of the instance from Amazon.
[22:46] <psusi> SiGe, which says what?
[22:46] <SiGe> @bekks, I have 3 disks ... http://pastie.org/private/tzl6cdh91tn2ypq0ruo20w
[22:46] <psusi> SiGe, it would be unusual to give a virtual machine more than one disk
[22:46] <SiGe> @psusi that the instance (i2.4xlarge) comes with 4 dedicated SSD disks each of which have 800 GB
[22:47] <Jordan_U> segap_: Also, you should never parse the output of ls, it's for humans only: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#for_i_in_.24.28ls_.2A.mp3.29
[22:47] <psusi> SiGe, ohh... odd... normally the host would raid them or something and present it as a single virtual drive, but ok... it looks like you don't have the other disks partitioned/formatted
[22:48] <spartan2276> How can I remove /home and only have /
[22:48] <nicomachus> spartan2276: why would you want to do that?
[22:48] <genii> spartan2276: The short answer for Ubuntu is: You can't
[22:48] <SiGe> @psusi Hmmm, that can make sense!  Let me check to see if the disks are RAIDed or not :-)
[22:48] <spartan2276> because someone needs it for a mariadb setup
[22:49] <kalon33> Hello everybody, is that expected that PPA building is down?
[22:49] <psusi> spartan2276, either reinstall, or move all of the files out of /home to /, unmount /home, delete the partition and resize the / partition to use the extra space
[22:49] <Guest98585> Hi. Ubuntu 14.04. I lost a partition(EXT4) and ran testdisk to re-establish it. Can I use fdisk to re-establish the partition type without data loss?
[22:49] <Jordan_U> spartan2276: Who "needs" it and why?
[22:49] <segap_> Jordan_U,  so murphys law in full effect ... it's working as expected and i can't reproduce the issue :)
[22:49] <spartan2276> is there a guide to doing this somewhere
[22:49] <psusi> SiGe, doesn't look like they are... they are just unused currently and blkid only lists filesystems that it recognizes, not empty disks
[22:50] <bekks> psusi: blkid lists blockdevices.
[22:50] <psusi> Guest98585, you can change the type without ill effect, yes... but you won't get any benefit out of it either: linux pays no attention to the type
[22:50] <Malgorath> Is there any reason to install 15.04 over 15.10? I'm setting up an i3 laptop
[22:51] <Guest98585> psusi, Across a reboot my partition disappeared. I ran testdisk to try and re-establish it but it still don't mount.
[22:51] <psusi> bekks, no, it lists filesystems that are found on block devices
[22:51] <Guest98585> psusi, any ideas what to try? If it matters, I do have backups.
[22:51] <psusi> Guest98585, restore from backup ;)
[22:51] <spartan2276> psusi do you know if there is a guide online anywhere I could follow. The only thing I have found is using the LVM and that is not currently setup with LVM
[22:51] <SiGe> @psusi I see.  Mmmm, I guess I should look up online to see if anyone else is facing the same issue.  Thanks!
[22:52] <Guest98585> psusi, well yeah.. I just wanted to try this out to determine if it is salvageable.. thanks tho.
[22:52] <spartan2276> psusi, do you know if there is a guide online anywhere I could follow. The only thing I have found is using the LVM and that is not currently setup with LVM
[22:52] <psusi> spartan2276, I don't... but it is as simple as I said:  boot a live cd, mount / and /home, move files from /home to /, remove the /home entry from /etc/fstab so it doesn't try to mount it, reboot and it should work...
[22:53] <psusi> spartan2276, if you want to not waste the space previously allocated to /home, use gparted on the livecd to blow away that partition then resize/move the root to use the space
[22:53] <tefter> http://fossforce.com/2016/01/its-whats-your-distro-time/
[22:53] <spartan2276> psusi, there are no files in /home not for any users that is
[22:53] <Jordan_U> segap_: Did you see my message about not using "ls" in scripts? if [ "$(ls -A /var/www/htdocs/sales/JenkinsBackup)" ]; then is much more appropriately and clearly written if [ -d /var/www/htdocs/sales/JenkinsBackup/ ]; then and you should use globbing and a for loop, like: for file in /var/www/htdocs/sales/JenkinsBackup/*; do ...
[22:54] <psusi> spartan2276, ummm... yes... each user on the system has a directory in /home... otherwise what would you be asking to move?
[22:54] <segap_> Jordan_U,  yep i usually the find command with xargs but was lazy . Never thought of using a for loop though
[22:55] <spartan2276> psusi, no is fresh install but they want to just have / and not /home
[22:55] <psusi> spartan2276, then reinstall and don't create a /home?
[22:55] <spartan2276> psusi, something to do with mariadb having space allocation issues
[22:56] <spartan2276> psusi, tried re-installing 3 times and everytime /home is there
[22:57] <spartan2276> psusi, ok I will try the gparted thing you suggested
[22:57] <bekks> spartan2276: so use the manual configuration during install and dont configure /home
[22:57] <psusi> spartan2276, unless you choose manual partitioning and manually create a /home partition, you don't get one
[22:58] <anonymous> greetings room
[22:58] <psusi> spartan2276, you always have a /home directory
[22:58] <ams_> Recently upgraded to 15.04, trying to install deluge but hitting this:
[22:58] <ams_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yrJy2pjn/
[22:58] <ams_> Any ideas?
[22:58] <spartan2276> psusi, yup the weirdest thing
[22:58] <Guest29178> any developers in the house
[22:59] <Guest29178> ubuntu gnome mate is top!
[23:00] <ams_> ahah, looks like the key may not be trusted?
[23:00] <ams_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Xq6YeHUK/
[23:00] <mcphail> spartan2276: are you confusing a /home directory under the / partition with a spearate /home partitiion?
[23:00] <anonymous_> greetings room
[23:00] <OerHeks> ams seems like a deluge ppa issue, deluge-gtk (= 1.3.12-0~vivid~ppa1)  https://launchpad.net/~deluge-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=vivid
[23:01] <OerHeks> ams contact the maintainer
[23:01] <spartan2276> mcphail, at this point I don't know what I'm seeing. I'm picking this backup tomorrow. Thanks guys
[23:01] <anonymous_> ubuntu gnome mate 15.10 is the best!
[23:02] <ams_> OerHeks: weird that i'm the only one given that Deluge is pretty popular
[23:03] <OerHeks> ams vivid runs out of support this month, so upgrade to 15.10 might do double profit for you
[23:04] <mknawabi> anyone with a quadro card: what's the most preferred way to install the nvidia drivers? through a specific ppa? their website? or apt-get install nvidia-352 nvidia-settings
[23:06] <mcphail> mknawabi: preferred way is always through the default repos if possible
[23:06] <OerHeks> mknawabi, use the standard ones provided, but *if* you really need newer, use the 'official' ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:06] <mknawabi> so the dialog with the 'additional drivers' panel?
[23:06] <mknawabi> yeah, i think it's graphics-drivers. one sec
[23:06] <frones> l
[23:06] <TJ-> mknawabi: "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[23:07] <ams_> OerHeks: july isn't it?
[23:07] <ams_> oh no, i'm wrong
[23:07] <OerHeks> 9 months 15.04 - 16.01
[23:20] <cuddylier> Anyone know what caused this crash? http://i.spartanhost.net/dURIuf1w.png
[23:24] <TJ-> cuddylier: did you see, above that stacktrace "alloc_urb: kmalloc failed"
[23:24] <nomic> cuddylier  go to ubuntu forums - post it htere
[23:24] <nomic> there
[23:24] <cuddylier> TJ: Yes but what does that mean if you know?
[23:24] <nomic> iptables, mac -- smething to do with his network
[23:24] <nomic> usb hub
[23:24] <cuddylier> As in the network drivers crashing the server?
[23:24] <nomic> some sort of a network / usb problem
[23:25] <cuddylier> Hmm, leaves a lot open for the cause :(
[23:25] <nomic> well thats all I can detect from that --- usb/nat address (network allocation)
[23:25] <nomic> unplug your usb until you know what
[23:25] <Ben64> what were you doing, how much crashed? what are the lines above that in the log?
[23:25] <nomic> if your usb is unplugged & not failing - has filtered issue
[23:25] <cuddylier> I'll ask the datacentre if anything USB wise is plugged in, I couldn't scroll up in the HP BMC console window.
[23:25] <TJ-> cuddylier: it means the kernel was out of memory blocks large enough for "kmalloc(sizeof(struct urb) +iso_packets * sizeof(struct usb_iso_packet_descriptor) "
[23:25] <cuddylier> As in like running out of RAM?
[23:26] <TJ-> cuddylier: yes
[23:26] <cuddylier> That might make some sense then hmmm
[23:26] <TJ-> cuddylier: that could be due to the allocation request being exceptionally large due to the value of iso_packets, but I cannot think of how that could become excessive
[23:27] <zacwalls> Hey so my computer is now not producing sound. I tried to fix this by removing alsa and pulseaudio and then reinstalling. And I did the same with linux-sound-base, alsa-base and alsa-utils. Sound is still not working.
[23:27] <zacwalls> I am on 14.04.3
[23:27] <TJ-> cuddylier: the function the allocation failed in was drivers/usb/core/urb.c::usb_alloc_urb()
[23:27] <cuddylier> So definitely something USB related then?
[23:28] <anonymous_> halloo room
[23:28] <TJ-> cuddylier: yes
[23:28] <nacc> zacwalls: does alsamixer show your sound card/controls?
[23:28] <TJ-> cuddylier: generally, it indicates a device being connected. URBs are generally allocated for the USB device's endpoints
[23:28] <anonymous_> i wanna say ty to developers if any is here
[23:28] <zacwalls> nacc, brings up alsa controls and yeah, I think...
[23:28] <cuddylier> TJ: Ah I see, I'll see if DC knows anything since I haven't intensionally had any USBs plugged in.
[23:28] <anonymous_> ubuntu gnome mate 15.10 is super
[23:29] <nacc> zacwalls: you said "now" -- implying it did before?
[23:30] <zacwalls> nacc, I didn't say now...
[23:30] <nacc> cuddylier: that's not a crash in and of itself ... it's just a memory allocation failure
[23:30] <cuddylier> Ah
[23:31] <nacc> zacwalls: "Hey so my computer is now not producing sound."
[23:31] <cuddylier> There is nothing that is able to tell you what caused the crash then from just that screenshot?
[23:31] <nacc> cuddylier: you're sure it's crashed?
[23:31] <TJ-> cuddylier: no. You'd need to go back in time in the logs (kern.log and/or syslog) to look for devices being connected
[23:31] <cuddylier> yeah, all the processes on it died apart from apache
[23:31] <zacwalls> nacc, Yes, it is not producing sound now. It was before...
[23:32] <jonny5000> how do i find the archives of this chat room?  I am looking for something that was written two hours ago
[23:32] <TJ-> !logs | jonny5000
[23:32] <jonny5000> TJ-, thanks
[23:33] <nacc> cuddylier: yeah, would need to see more of hte output from the console to see what happened ... my guess is it's actually an OOM, but really not sure given that little bit
[23:33] <nacc> zacwalls: just confirming it was working at some point. what did you change?
[23:33] <Ben64> zacwalls: possible you broke audio more by uninstalling packages
[23:33] <zacwalls> Ben64, thanks
[23:34] <zacwalls> nacc, not sure. Haven't touched this PC for a while now...
[23:35] <nacc> zacwalls: do you possible have multiple sound cards?
[23:35] <zacwalls> nacc, Maybe. Sound does look odd. One says dummy test. And the other is build-in sound...
[23:36] <zacwalls> Dummy output*
[23:36] <nacc> zacwalls: I had that happen to me today when I was rapidly switching between my bluetooth headset and the built-in sound; the dummy seems to be a sink for pulseaudio to stay functional (but not sure on that)
[23:36] <nacc> zacwalls: does it persist over reboot?
[23:37] <TJ-> zacwalls: what do "aplay -l " and "aplay -L" report ?
[23:37] <zacwalls> nacc, lets see lol
[23:37] <zacwalls> TJ-, lets see
[23:37] <zippo^> do you use back-up of this computer?
[23:38] <zippo^> example docs, photos, videos, etc. ?
[23:38] <jonny5000> TJ-, thanks!  that enabled me to find a quick solution to a problem that was bedeviling me.
[23:39] <jonny5000> MiningMarsh, I know you are not here anymore but for posterity I am saying "thank you" the disable and enable in X suggestion did the trick.  Much appreciated, wherever you are.
[23:39] <zacwalls> TJ-, aplay -l: http://pastebin.com/dkvGmje1 aplay -L: http://pastebin.com/fHfbZBfu
[23:40] <TJ-> jonny5000: you could do "/msg memoserv send help" and send that user a memo
[23:40] <lordshango> whats up everyone?
[23:41] <jonny5000> TJ-,  how?
[23:41] <TJ-> zacwalls: are you trying to use the built-in audio speakers, or over HDMI ?
[23:41] <jonny5000> TJ-, what is the syntax for that?
[23:42] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:42] <zacwalls> TJ-, Built-in
[23:42] <TJ-> jonny5000: send that command; memoserv will return some help on how to use its 'send' feature
[23:42] <zacwalls> I havent rebooted yet
[23:42] <TJ-> zacwalls: try this: "speaker-test -Dfront -l 2 -c 2 -t wav "
[23:42] <zacwalls> TJ-, it works :)
[23:43] <TJ-> zacwalls: I thought it might. So, ALSA side is fine, I'd guess in Pulseaudio control panel /mixer in the GUI you need to ensure you'd selected the correct 'Profile'
[23:44] <zacwalls> TJ-, how do I access the GUI controls?
[23:44] <TJ-> zacwalls: depends on which desktop environment you're using, but the mixer properties are usually an advanced option in the DEs volume control applet
[23:45] <zacwalls> TJ-, Gnome
[23:48] <TJ-> zacwalls: it might be easier from the terminal. do "pactl list  cards | grep -A 10 Profiles " and identify the preferred profile name; e.g. for stereo output + mic input there might be "output:analog-stereo+input"
[23:49] <zacwalls> TJ-, pavucontrol seemed to work
[23:49] <zacwalls> TJ-, still doesnt work
[23:51] <jonny5000> MiningMarsh, hey, thanks for the help before.   The disable and enable in X suggestion did the trick.  Much appreciated, wherever you are.  I also went in and learned about X and setting properties for the Syanptics device and found one that makes it a lot less sensitive and jumpy.  this ubuntu machine is running close to perfect now.  and let me tell you, its a grat little laptop now!
[23:51] <spease> Does anyone know if it's been confirmed that python3 will be the default in Ubuntu 16.04?
[23:52] <TJ-> zacwalls: Amongst the profiles I see is "output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo: Analogue Stereo Duplex (sinks: 1, sources: 1, priority: 6060, available: yes)" ... I can then do "pactl set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo" to set it
[23:52] <zacwalls> TJ-, OK :)
[23:52] <TJ-> zacwalls: the "0" is the sound card's index number
[23:52] <zacwalls> I know
[23:53] <Katronix> Anyone know of a GTK based app for working with mysql databases housed remotely?
[23:54] <dabockster> Katronix: Not GTK, but there is SquirrelSQL. Looks terrible (Java Swing UX), but it works.
[23:54] <zacwalls> TJ-, which should I set?
[23:55] <TJ-> zacwalls: a profile that matches what is connected. No point selected a surround profile if you're on 2 stereo laptop speakers
[23:55] <TJ-> zacwalls: likewise for iec958 profiles
[23:56] <zacwalls> TJ-, can I just use alsa? It seems to works
[23:56] <anabain> when sharing files via nfsv3 and using automount at the client, what can be done to avoid client hanging when the server is shut down? Is there any chance for the server to tell the client to unmount the share before it gets shut down, which would avoid the hanging? Is there any workaround for this, like using some script before shutting down that tells the client to unmount?
[23:57] <Katronix> dabockster, will it work with OpenJDK? or would I need a version from Oracle?


[04:16] <Kilos> morning everbody
[04:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[04:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[04:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:39] <sakhi> moonin
[06:42] <inetpro> morning sakhi
[06:42] <superfly> hey sakhi, inetpro
[06:42] <inetpro> heh superfly
[11:06] <StrongMan> I live in Blouberg, and I am often cycling along the coast to Camps Bay. Where would the best place be for me to get a CD?
[11:08] <superfly> StrongMan: look on http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[11:09] <StrongMan> If I type "Cape Town" there, nothing comes up -- bar UCT of course.
[11:11] <superfly> StrongMan: try to be more specific?
[11:11] <superfly> type in "Blouberg" or "Camps Bay"?
[11:12] <StrongMan> Blouberg (0). Sea Point (0)
[13:12] <Kilos> hiya all. i be happy
[13:12] <Kilos> 80G drive fixed again
[13:13] <superfly> hi Kilos
[13:13] <superfly> what did you do?
[13:14] <Kilos> it was a bug in the mbr superfly
[13:15] <Kilos> even used xp to rewrite the mbr and boot
[13:15] <Kilos> buty still battled
[13:16] <Kilos> zero'd drive 4 or 5 times and tried win and ubuntu and then this morning after zeroing and installing karmic it works
[13:17] <Kilos> anyway now we can have coffee in peace agin
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:17]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[13:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[13:17] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[13:17] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[13:17]  * Owkkuri thinks Kilos needs a new drive
[13:17] <Kilos> lol Owkkuri  they  expensive
[13:17] <Owkkuri> not really :P
[13:17] <Kilos> must make do with what i got
[13:18] <Kilos> every cent goes for data
[13:18] <Owkkuri> no drive - no data :P
[13:18] <Kilos> and ide drives hard to find i think
[13:18] <Kilos> i have karmic working on my 6g as well and 20g
[13:19] <Kilos> so i will always have contact. i hope
[13:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[13:21] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you ever so much kind bot
[13:21] <Maaz> no probs, Kilos
[13:22] <Kilos> Maaz, wat eet ons vanaand
[13:22] <Maaz> Enigiets met pap en sous Kilos Ek is gelukig met mikro organismes van die internet
[13:28] <Kilos> the mbr virus prob is quite common out there. you can even download a program for ms called avboot to repair it
[13:28] <Kilos> but then you still got ms on your pc
[13:28] <Kilos> now hopefully only ubuntu here
[13:33] <Kilos> if this didnt work i was gonna try using a good 500m drive just to boot from. dunno if that would work
[19:38] <kbmonkey> evening all :-)


[08:17] <Myrtti> love it when people suggest changing to wicd from nm to a person with hw problems
[08:19] <Tm_T> indeed
[08:39] <phix> wtf, I am banned from #ubuntu? when did this happen?
[08:41] <Flannel> phix: 2.5 weeks ago it looks like
[08:41] <Flannel> (Jan 10)
[08:44] <phix> ummmm, that can't be right, I mean I was let back in, I didn't do anything else to deserve a ban
[08:45] <Flannel> phix: From the log, you were being rather rude
[08:47] <Flannel> and offtopic and random
[08:47] <phix> yea but I got unbanned for that, but now I am banned again
[08:48] <Flannel> phix: When were you unbanned for that?
[08:49] <phix> *shrugs* I just noticed now I have been re-banned
[08:49] <phix> To make your jobs easier you should just put a perm unban on me, that will save you guys alot of time
[08:49] <Flannel> phix: You weren't rebanned, because you were never unbanned
[08:50] <phix> hmmmm
[08:50] <phix> I never even new I was banned to begin with
[08:50] <phix> knew even
[08:50] <phix> any way, can some one unban me?
[08:50] <phix> that would be super
[08:50] <Flannel> phix: Not with an attitude like that, no.
[08:51] <phix> oh
[08:51] <phix> you want some respect?
[08:52] <phix> I have alot of that if you need some
[08:54] <phix> any way, be a pal and unban, kthnxbi
[08:55] <Flannel> phix: No.  This isn't the first time this has been covered with you, and I'm not comfortable unbanning you, because you have once again showed no respect for the policies of #ubuntu.
[08:56] <phix> :/
[08:57] <phix> personailit conflicts are against ubuntu policies?
[08:57] <phix> s/t/ty/
[08:57] <Flannel> phix: Being offtopic and especially rude is against policy.
[08:58] <phix> I mean some of your ops are complete ummmm, hmmmm, what word best describes, well Ljl in partiular, hmmmm
[08:58] <phix> ok
[08:58] <phix> ok fine, then why am I still banned in ubuntu-offtopic then?
[08:58] <phix> how can I be so offtopic that it doesn't even fit in that channel?
[08:58] <Flannel> phix: Because there's no reason to unban you from #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:59] <phix> there isn't?
[08:59] <phix> I mean if I am speaking offtopic too much then #ubuntu-offtopic should be the first channel I am unbanned from
[09:00] <Flannel> phix: You were banned from both once upon a time, we let you back into #ubuntu, and you couldn't follow the policies of that channel.  Why would we let you back into a channel where it's even more likely you'll be inappropriate?
[09:00] <phix> how can I be inappropriate in a channel that is marked as offtopic?
[09:00] <phix> how offtopic can I be before it is considered too offtopic?
[09:00] <phix> and is there such thing as too offtopic?
[09:00] <Flannel> phix: "Offtopic" doesn't mean anything-goes.
[09:01] <phix> isn't that in itself just offtopic
[09:01] <Flannel> phix: No.
[09:01] <phix> I think I need to start another ubuntu channel
[09:01] <Flannel> phix: But, it's not really important for you to understand #ubuntu-offtopic, since you won't be there anytime in the near future.
[09:01] <phix> but that is a side note
[09:02] <phix> hmmm
[09:02] <phix> so in otherwords I can just go and fuck myself/
[09:02] <phix> ?
[09:02] <mneptok> !o4o
[09:02] <Flannel> phix: You won't be let back into either of those channels tonight.
[09:02] <phix> ok
[09:03] <phix> hmmm
[09:03] <phix> pl
[09:03] <phix> ok even
[09:04] <Flannel> phix: Is there anything else we can help you with tonight?
[09:04] <phix> yes
[09:04] <phix> there is
[09:04] <phix> now you mention it
[09:05] <phix> How does one apply for op status?
[09:06] <phix> in Ubuntu and associated channels?
[09:07] <mneptok> a good start is to stop behaviors that get you banned, and to discuss band in a way that results in being unbanned. "kthxbai" and such are probably not the best tactic in that regard.
[09:07] <mneptok> *bans
[09:07] <phix> hmmm
[09:07] <mneptok> IOW, learn to walk before you try to run.
[09:07] <phix> note taken
[09:08] <phix> I Just think #ubuntu needs some policy changes, an being an op would give me some leverage hey
[09:09] <Flannel> phix: Actually, being an operator has nothing to do with that.  If you think there's some changes that need to be made, you're free to make the suggestions.
[09:09] <phix> awesome
[09:10] <phix> nice
[09:10] <phix> what does that all mean ubottu ?
[09:10] <Flannel> phix: Did you have a suggestion to make right now then? or just in the future?
[09:11] <phix> oh
[09:11] <phix> ummm, let me see
[09:11] <Flannel> phix: If not, it's no big deal.  Come back when you do.
[09:11] <phix> ok, I will sleep on it and get back to you tomorrow
[09:12] <phix> when are you usually on here?
[09:12] <phix> around this time? or just on Sat / Sunday's?
[09:13] <Flannel> phix: don't worry about that.  Most of us read scrollback to keep up
[09:13] <phix> ok great
[09:13] <phix> that is all
[09:13] <phix> *AFK*
[09:14] <Flannel> phix: Please part this channel if you're finished for now
[09:16] <phix> oh
[09:16] <phix> really? I can't just wait here?
[09:16] <mneptok>  /topic
[09:16] <phix> I Would like to see channel history too
[09:16] <phix> can you paste it to me next time I come in?
[09:18] <mneptok> there are web-ified IRC logs
[09:18] <phix> nice
[09:18] <phix> where at?
[09:19] <mneptok> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <phix> thnx
[09:20] <phix> there are alot of ubnutu channels
[09:20] <phix> bzr is ubuntu affiliated?
[09:20] <phix> as in bazaar version control?
[09:21] <phix> any way, I wont idle any more
[09:21] <phix> cyas later, looking forward to coming into a #ubuntu channel some time tomorrow
[09:25] <Flannel> I sometimes wonder if the words I say have different meanings that I'm not aware of
[09:29] <mneptok> Flannel: you can use IMAP, or and Exchange connector to allow that type of sync with a mobile device.
[09:29] <Flannel> mneptok: erm....uh...
[09:31] <persia> There's a lot of arguments for POP1 as well, although there probably aren't any complete implemetnations extant.
[10:50] <gnomefreak> when trying to renew ops for #*-motu and #xubuntu-offtopic it says it can not be renewed....is not set to expire in 7day
[10:51] <gnomefreak> what does that mean?
[10:51] <Tm_T> poke jussi01
[10:55] <gnomefreak> still sleeping maybe
[10:57] <Tm_T> possibly, as there were hockey game in tv early in the morning
[11:00] <jussi01> Hello Jussi Schultink,
[11:00] <jussi01> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) renewed their own membership in the #xubuntu-
[11:00] <jussi01> offtopic IRC Operators (irc-xubuntu-offtopic-ops) team until 2011-03-03.
[11:00] <jussi01> Hello Jussi Schultink,
[11:00] <jussi01> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) renewed their own membership in the #ubuntu-
[11:00] <jussi01> motu IRC Operators (irc-ubuntu-motu-ops) team until 2011-03-03.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> jussi01: thanks
[11:01] <jussi01> so it looks like you renewed, but lp was being funny
[11:02] <gnomefreak> makes sense i just dont recall doing it
[11:03] <Tm_T> when we had the meeting?
[11:05] <Tm_T> today, ok
[11:10] <ikonia> it's later today isn't it ?
[11:11]  * gnomefreak goes to calendar but i think its 1400UTC but not sure
[11:12] <Tm_T> Sunday 28 February 18:00 UTC
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yeah just saw that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> that means 1300 for me.
[17:06] <ikonia> hello shadeslayer
[17:06] <shadeslayer> hi um i think theres a problem with kubuntu-devel
[17:06] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apparently i can change its topic 0_o
[17:06] <ikonia> yup
[17:06] <ikonia> the channels not locked properly
[17:06] <ikonia> I'll get it sorted
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ikonia: how come?
[17:06] <ikonia> I don't know
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ikonia: please do :)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> just thought its a security concern.... thatll be all :)
[17:06] <ikonia> no problem
[17:06] <ikonia> thanks for the ifno
[17:06] <ikonia> info
[17:07] <shadeslayer> no problemo :)
[18:05] <jussi01> ircc meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[19:07] <Myrtti> what has been decided so far?
[19:08] <Myrtti> anyone?
[19:09] <jpds> Not a lot.
[19:09] <Pici> Myrtti: doing a trial of allowing idlers here was voted on, we're at -1 so far, waiting for nhandler_ and tsimpson to vote though, but they're not present.
[19:10] <Myrtti> ok
[19:10]  * Myrtti goes for the log to see who voted what so far
[19:10] <Tm_T> and we agreed to be nice, err, that's all
[19:10] <Tm_T> one hour for a meeting is not enough
[19:14] <topyli> it would be plenty if we had less history lessons and made more decisions
[19:14] <topyli> :)
[19:14] <Tm_T> topyli: like our -fi meetings? (;
[19:15] <topyli> i really enjoyed the last one! any news from xyzzy-team? no? moving on. any issues from... :)
[19:16] <Tm_T> ...or the >2 hour meetings :-P
[19:19]  * Tm_T hugs everyone
[19:19] <Tm_T> ...GROAAAARGH!! ):
[19:20] <Mamarok> Tm_T: come on, be nice!
[19:21] <Tm_T> yeah, hugging veryone is not nice
[19:21] <Mamarok> I said that more because of that horrible groan
[19:23] <Tm_T> I'm still lacking that sleep (:
[19:41] <Amaranth> wait, why do you need all 5 to vote on something?
[19:41] <Tm_T> Amaranth: because there's no majority in one side
[19:41] <Tm_T> if all 3 would have voted similarly...
[19:42] <Amaranth> Guess they should have showed up then
[19:42] <Amaranth> In traditional voting bodies if you don't show up you don't get a vote
[19:42] <Amaranth> hrm, I think I'm not here anymore
[19:42] <Tm_T> Amaranth: they will provide their vote when they are online
[19:42] <Tm_T> ):
[19:44] <Amaranth> Internet fail.
[19:46] <Amaranth> Tm_T: That doesn't make sense, in a traditional voting system if you don't show up you don't get a vote.
[19:47] <Tm_T> dunno
[19:47] <Tm_T> Amaranth: in traditional voting system, you have voting time, from 1 second to several months, this time it's between those two I guess
[20:03] <nickspoon> Launchpad keeps pestering me about my membership to irc-ubuntu-offtopic-ops :(
[20:03] <Tm_T> nickspoon: give 'em a hug
[20:04]  * nickspoon hugs Launchpad
[20:18] <guntbert> I seem to remember that ubottu would honor the last part of "!info grub | whoever that will help you" by saying "whoever: that will help you: grub is the.....", now the sentence after the nick is cut off
[20:19] <Tm_T> !grub | guntbert see this
[20:19] <Tm_T> !info grub | guntbert see this
[20:19] <Tm_T> I have never seen it working otherwise
[20:19] <Tm_T> but hmmmm
[20:20] <guntbert> Tm_T: then I misremember - but it would be "a nice thing to have" :-)
[20:20] <Tm_T> guntbert: agreed on that, if there's no technical limitations
[20:21] <guntbert> Tm_T: of course :)
[20:21] <Tm_T> shame I don't know why/how it works that way now
[20:22] <guntbert> Tm_T: not everyone *can* know...
[20:22] <Tm_T> I should know everything (;)
[20:22] <Myrtti> the possibilty of being able to direct the info factoids is a quite recent hack, actually
[20:23] <Myrtti> (the !info factoids, that is)
[20:23] <guntbert> Tm_T: ah - I forgot that :)
[20:23] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ah, good to know
[20:23] <guntbert> Myrtti: thanks for bringin my memory up to speed - so that was the improvement I remembered
[20:25] <guntbert> so I'll be on my way before demanding ever more  :-) have a nice time
[20:25] <Tm_T> guntbert: thanks and welcome back
[20:26] <guntbert> Tm_T: :)
[20:55] <Amaranth> 'recent'
[21:37] <Myrtti> I must have slipped through the rabbit hole... some of the discussion on IRC are somewhat strange atm
[21:37] <Flannel> :P
[21:38] <knome> Myrtti, congrats
[21:41] <Tm_T> some? not all?
[21:41] <Myrtti> most of it is strange in the usual way


[10:06] <tjaalton> hrm, so xorg.git is at 1:7.7+1ubuntu6 and UNRELEASED, while trusty has -1u7
[10:06] <tjaalton> oh.. because of doko
[15:09] <mlankhorst> yeah
[15:09] <mlankhorst> doko really needs to use xsf.git :(
[15:14] <Dandel> ricotz, did you ever fix the nvidia package from the xorg edgers ppa?
[15:54] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: well, there's no obligation to
[15:54] <tjaalton> just that we didn't spot these earlier
[15:54] <tjaalton> i've merged from debian but it's WIP still, will push next week
[15:55] <mlankhorst> ah
[15:55] <tjaalton> we can at least demote some drivers to universe, like -sis which is broken with exa
[15:55] <tjaalton> anyway ->
[15:56] <mlankhorst> would be nice
[15:56] <mlankhorst> means having to backport less next time
[15:56] <tjaalton> actually
[15:57] <tjaalton> once glamor is "ready", we could backport just -modesetting :)
[15:57] <tjaalton> also, I'll propose to TB that mesa would be allowed to roll..
[15:57] <mlankhorst> trololol
[15:57] <tjaalton> like, the first bugfix release would be pushed to $lts-proposed
[15:57] <tjaalton> :P
[15:58] <tjaalton> yeah I'll wear asbestos
[15:59] <mlankhorst> can't joke about asbestos
[15:59] <mlankhorst> except when suggesting  'asbestos-free' as label :>
[15:59] <mlankhorst> like asbestos-free flour