[00:16]  * lfaraone waves.
[00:27] <alsroot> satellit_: btw do you know how fedora install a set of packages, afaik it doesn't use meta packages
[00:31] <satellit_> alsroot: no I do not....but apt-get install sugar* installs all of the available activities in repo. to /usr/share/sugar/activities/
[00:32] <satellit_> .xo files to /home/(user)/Activities
[00:33] <alsroot> satellit_: thanks, sdziallas will know
[00:33] <satellit_> USR 830 .iso
[00:50] <lfaraone> alsroot, your patch was included in Maverick.
[00:52] <alsroot> lfaraone: fine, /me hopes that sugar users don't use Alt+mouse to move windows :)
[00:53] <lfaraone> alsroot: well, do we really need to set that value at all?
[00:53] <lfaraone> alsroot: long term the fix might be to save the orignal value and restore it, no?
[00:54] <alsroot> lfaraone: well, the best way could be not interfere w/ metacity at all, afaik gnome is switcing to new gconf(or so), hope that in new env we can localize sugar goncf settings
[00:55] <alsroot> lfaraone: about purpose of setting gconf mouse key, I guess the reason was that alt+mouse is needed for shell
[00:56] <lfaraone> alsroot: ah, okay.
[01:07] <lfaraone> alsroot: fedora lists the packages manually.
[01:13] <alsroot> lfaraone: afaik there is different kind of packaging entities, groups or so, anyway it was manusheel who asked about it, he'd better to ask sdziallas about fedora packaging details
[13:17] <manusheel> lfaraone: Hi Luke.
[13:17] <manusheel> Around?
[13:54] <lfaraone> manusheel: somewhat.
[14:29] <lfaraone> manusheel: what's up?
[14:30] <manusheel> lfaraone: Hi Luke. Can you please let me know about your availability today and tomorrow?
[14:31] <manusheel> lfaraone: We'll have a discussion on maintaining packages, moving forward.
[14:31] <manusheel> With Neeraj.
[14:32] <lfaraone> manusheel: I'm here til 13h EDT, then back again from 19/20h til 22h/23h.
[14:34] <manusheel> lfaraone: Great. Thank you Luke.
[14:35] <lfaraone> manusheel: please let me know when you'
[14:35] <lfaraone> manusheel: please let me know when you'd like to meet so I can be sure to be free during that period.
[16:20] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir
[16:20] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[16:22] <manusheel> kandarpk: Which issue are we looking at right now?
[16:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Should we change the status of one of the issues to "Won't Fix"?
[16:28] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: we can mark http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2154 as wont fix
[16:29] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, was not able to reproduce it. Ok, did Bernie tell you the same thing?
[16:29] <manusheel> Did you have a word with him?
[16:30] <lfaraone> manusheel, kandarpk, A bug isn't "won't fix" if we can't reproduce the issue, rather, incomplete would be better, no?
[16:30] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: tomeu had commented that alsroot had fixed a similar issue
[16:30] <kandarpk> and alsroot suggested that we should wait until its cause is known/it is reproducible
[16:31] <kandarpk> lfaraone: +1
[16:31] <manusheel> lfaraone: Right. +1
[16:31] <manusheel> lfaraone: Yes, we change the status to Triaged or Incomplete for that case.
[16:31] <kandarpk> lfaraone: recently came to know that you are a DD now. Congrats.
[16:33] <lfaraone> kandarpk: thanks, appreciated.
[16:34] <lfaraone> manusheel: "Triaged" means "we have steps to reproduce, a priority, and it's ready for someone to look at it when it's ready."
[16:34] <lfaraone> manusheel: so if we can't reproduce, triaged does not seem appropreate, to me.
[16:36] <bernie> kandarpk, manusheel: I can't reproduce it as well, but it's very rare.
[16:38] <bernie> kandarpk, manusheel: even if you reproduce it, the error in shell.log is not obvious
[16:38] <bernie> kandarpk, manusheel: #2154 does not seem like the kind of bug for novice developers to cut their teeth with...
[16:39] <bernie> kandarpk, manusheel: let's just say that if we see it while working on other things we'll follow up. I don't think it can be closed, yet... because nothing changed in dextrose that could have fixed it.
[16:47] <manusheel> bernie: Sure, Bernie. Thank you for the pointer.
[16:47] <manusheel> bernie: Will add the comment.
[16:48] <manusheel> lfaraone: I was referring to the status of the bug as incomplete or triaged depending upon the requirements.
[16:48] <manusheel> lfaraone: Did you get my message on the meeting?
[16:48] <bernie> manusheel: unfortunately, we are at the closing phases of Dextrose development so only the really obscure bugs are still standing
[16:49] <bernie> manusheel: not the ideal situation to bring in new developers
[16:49] <lfaraone> manusheel: I'm not sure what you mean. You didn't confirm a time, if that's what you mean.
[16:49] <lfaraone> *I did not get a confirmation of a time
[16:50] <manusheel> lfaraone: My apologies. It seems the message didn't pass through. I did write it. But, had network issues.
[16:50] <manusheel> bernie: Ok.
[16:51] <manusheel> lfaraone: Got logged out a number of times today. So, you wrote you'll be available till 13:00, today? And, from 21:00 - 23:00 hrs.
[16:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: How is the second bug coming along?
[16:52] <lfaraone> manusheel: correct. although it will probably be more like 8:30 - 22:30, I'm trying to get to sleep earlier :)
[16:53] <manusheel> lfaraone: Sure. Absolutely fine.
[16:54] <manusheel> lfaraone: Let me tell you the timings in 10 minutes.
[16:54] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2164 is more of a feature request
[16:54] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right. Any help required on it?
[16:55] <lfaraone> kandarpk: has work on speak halted?
[16:55] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: some PyGtk control needs to be studied
[16:55] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[16:55] <kandarpk> lfaraone: actually had some confusion of dependency in it
[16:55] <lfaraone> kandarpk: okay, tell me about it :)
[16:57] <lfaraone> kandarpk: python-aiml was ACCEPTED today, so you *shoudln't* have issues installing it from the repos in Sid.
[16:57] <kandarpk> lfaraone: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-speak-activity.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=4dbf7bddb4777174bb94e1b877e6fa9edc63ea0d;hb=HEAD
[16:58] <kandarpk> lfaraone: in line 32, I need to drop hippocanvas only ?
[16:59] <lfaraone> kandarpk: that is probably correct.
[17:00] <lfaraone> a cursory review of the source supports that statement.
[17:00] <kandarpk> lfaraone: is python-gtk2 imported using "import gtk" ?
[17:00] <lfaraone> kandarpk: Yes.
[17:00] <kandarpk> ok
[17:02] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I'll push speak-18 in 25-30 min.
[17:02] <lfaraone> kandarpk: awesome, thanks. I'll take a look at it.
[17:02] <manusheel> lfaraone: Let us meet tomorrow at 10:30 am,  EDT.
[17:03] <lfaraone> manusheel: can-do.
[17:03] <manusheel> lfaraone: Great.
[17:04] <lfaraone> manusheel: I'll create a calendar event and mail it to both of you.
[17:07] <lfaraone> sent.
[17:08] <manusheel> lfaraone: Thanks Luke. Added the event to the calendar.
[17:08] <manusheel> lfaraone: Can you send it to Neeraj?
[17:09] <lfaraone> manusheel: I did.
[17:09] <manusheel> lfaraone: Thank you.
[17:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: Try reproducing this issue at USR - http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2195
[17:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: If you are able to reproduce it, we should work on this bug.
[17:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: can I look at it in 25 min ? packaging speak
[17:14] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[17:48] <kandarpk> lfaraone: speak-activity pushed to git repo.
[17:49] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[17:49] <manusheel> kandarpk: Which code files are we looking at in http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2195? Some pointers from my side here.
[17:49] <manusheel> kandarpk: Look at window.py
[17:49] <manusheel> and buddy.py
[17:50] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: this needs to be checked in USR ?
[17:50] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes.
[17:51] <manusheel> kandarpk: We have to check things in USR only.
[17:51] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: not debian ?
[17:51] <manusheel> kandarpk: Check on Debian too. It is an upstream sugar issue.
[17:53] <ishan> manusheel, sir can anyone provide me with a debian tar ball
[17:53] <ishan> without any changes
[17:54] <manusheel> ishan: Let us focus on one thing at a time. We are discussing bug #2207.
[17:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2207 in abuse-frabs (Ubuntu) "Icons / pixmaps in wrong directory (heat: 1)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2207
[17:54] <manusheel> Lets focus on that.
[17:54] <ishan> manusheel, okay
[17:55] <ishan> sir i was just asking because all the problems coming up in the moon package are due to the copied debian tarball from neeraj sir which already had changes
[17:57] <manusheel> ishan: We are discussing bug #2207 right now. Not, moon package. I did see the review. We'll discuss it once we have done bug #2207.
[17:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2207 in abuse-frabs (Ubuntu) "Icons / pixmaps in wrong directory (heat: 1)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2207
[17:57] <ishan> manusheel, yes sir
[18:06] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: facing http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2195? in debian
[18:06] <manusheel> kandarpk: Are you facing this issue?
[18:07] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir.
[18:07] <kandarpk> in debian
[18:07] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, can you send me the steps on how you reproduced the issue in an e-mail?
[18:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: No, big documentation. Just write it very concisely.
[18:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: the steps are mentioned in the bug report
[18:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let me send you a sample for writing the steps. The one on the bug are not complete.
[18:11] <manusheel> kandarpk: Send.
[18:11] <manusheel> Kandarpk: Let us open up window.py file.
[18:11] <manusheel> I am opening up on my system.
[18:14] <mukul> hi manusheel sir
[18:17] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul.
[18:17] <manusheel> mukul: How are we doing in reference to the bugs? Can you send me an update e-mail? We'll meet in 15 mins at IRC.
[18:17] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: where is window.py located ?
[18:17] <manusheel> mukul: Currently, working with Kandarp and Ishan on getting them to fix their bugs quickly.
[18:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: In jarabe folder, where do you think window.py file should be placed?
[18:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: There are 4 key folders.
[18:20] <manusheel> kandarpk: Think on what we discussed last time. You should be able to tell me this very quickly.
[18:20] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[18:21] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: controlpanel ?
[18:21]  * dipankar says hello
[18:21] <manusheel> kandarpk: You have control panel folder with you, right?
[18:22] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hmmm
[18:22] <manusheel> dipankar: Hi Dipankar. Let us not only complete the register bug, but the other 3 too :-)
[18:22] <ishan> manusheel, sir i think i have figured out the basic problem-what the bug is about
[18:22] <manusheel> ishan: Neat. Send me an e-mail on it.
[18:22] <dipankar> manusheel, sir that will be a bit hectic :P
[18:22] <dipankar> hehe
[18:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: We should not be taking so much time on this part. Let me know. Otherwise, I'll find this and tell you. Looks very obvious to me.
[18:23] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, shall I ask Bernado Innocenti here itself?
[18:23] <manusheel> dipankar: The bugs are simpler.
[18:23] <manusheel> :-)
[18:24] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: browsing the window.py file
[18:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, did you find the right folder?
[18:24] <manusheel> ishan: Include the steps to reproduce.
[18:25] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: its in jarabe/intro
[18:25] <dipankar> hey ishan . :)
[18:25] <manusheel> kandarpk: Good. Yes, that is where it should be. Intro is the folder for the window file.
[18:26] <ishan> manusheel, i have not tried to reproduce the same bug but a similar message was displayed while i was trying to reproduce the second bug
[18:26] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: intro ?
[18:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, we keep all window related stuff there. Ok, now tell me, how did you reproduce the issue?
[18:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: You started the sugar emulator. After that?
[18:28] <dipankar> bernie, Hello. How are you?
[18:28] <manusheel> ishan: Can you tell me which bugs are we talking here?
[18:28] <manusheel> ishan: Please use bug links in the conversation.
[18:28] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: in control panel, select date/time
[18:29] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok. Next, step.
[18:29] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: set time to Melbourne
[18:30] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: see time using clock activity
[18:30] <ishan> manusheel, sir 2201 bug
[18:30] <kandarpk> it will give the correct time for Melbourne
[18:30] <manusheel> ishan: Use URL, I meant by links.
[18:30] <ishan> manusheel, okay sir
[18:30] <ishan> manusheel, http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2201
[18:31] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: then select time zone UTC+10 ( time zone of Melbourne )
[18:31] <kandarpk> this time clock will show incorrect time
[18:32] <manusheel> kandarpk: Fine. And, for other time zones, what is the result?
[18:33] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: setting UTC+11 worked.
[18:34] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, check with two more time zones.
[18:34] <dipankar> manusheel, Sir, I think bernie is not here.
[18:34] <ishan> dipankar, sir hi
[18:34] <ishan> manusheel, sir check the mail
[18:34] <manusheel> kandarpk: If it is an Australia time zone issue, we can fix this in 2 minutes with the patch.
[18:34] <manusheel> dipankar: Any help required?
[18:35] <manusheel> dipankar: What is the location of the schoolserver file?
[18:35] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, I have found the problem which is causing the bug
[18:36] <dipankar> manusheel, the path: /usr/share/pyshared/jarabe/desktop/schoolserver.py
[18:36] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, line 90
[18:36] <manusheel> ishan: I didn't get your explanation. Can you tell me the details of the scenario in an e-mail again? Thank you.
[18:36] <manusheel> dipankar: Great. Looking at the file.
[18:37] <ishan> manusheel, sir did you checked the screenshot
[18:37] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: It shouldn't be related to Australia
[18:37] <manusheel> mukul: Waiting for your e-mail. We meet in another 10 mins.
[18:37] <kandarpk> as setting UTC+10 wasn't working
[18:37] <kandarpk> manusheel sir:^^
[18:37] <dipankar> manusheel, sure sir. The problem is (I think) with the variable 'url= http://schoolserver:8080/'
[18:38] <manusheel> ishan: You should have send me an edited screenshot in paint. Was tough to read it.
[18:38] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, what do you think is the problem with the setting?
[18:38] <ishan> manusheel, okay let me resend because the screen shot was important for explanation
[18:39] <manusheel> ishan: Export the logs and send that to me.
[18:39] <dipankar> manusheel, try opening the link: http://schoolserver:8080/ - Its not opening on my system. Then try : jabber.sugarlabs.org, it should open
[18:39] <manusheel> dipankar: Can you elaborate?
[18:39] <manusheel> dipankar: Do we have a machine name "schoolserver"?
[18:39] <manusheel> dipankar: I don't think so.
[18:40] <dipankar> manusheel, ohk.
[18:40] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you let me know the problem with the setting?
[18:40] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, this I think what alsroot was trying to tell me last time
[18:40] <dipankar> it won't open
[18:40] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: setting ?
[18:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I think, instead of calculating UTC+10, it is giving UTC-10
[18:42] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, you just said that there is a problem with the UTC setting. Kandarp, what I am able to gather is not that. I think that the default time in default time zone is correct. When we change time zone, the mess happens.
[18:42] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right?
[18:42] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: same for UTC+5
[18:43] <manusheel> dipankar: Didn't get you. How is that URL related to our scope of problem?
[18:44] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, line 100 in schoolserver.py: server = ServerProxy(url)
[18:44] <ishan> manusheel, sir check the mail sir
[18:45] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, i think this is making the sugar freeze, not sure though
[18:45] <ishan> manusheel, sir the error comes when the dbus is not able to provide the service for which the user is requesting
[18:45] <dipankar> manusheel, after this step only the register process "try: ..." starts
[18:45] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hmmm, there seems to be a problem of +/-
[18:45] <manusheel> ishan: Will do in 10 mins along with Mukul's e-mail. Working with Dipankar.
[18:45] <manusheel> kandarpk: Excellent.
[18:46] <manusheel> kandarpk: It is a simple issue indeed.
[18:46] <manusheel> kandarpk: Try and write a patch, and get it peer reviewed before we upload it.
[18:46] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok
[18:46] <manusheel> dipankar: Looking at that line.
[18:46] <ishan> manusheel, okay sir will meanwhile try to figure out the file related to the bug
[18:46] <manusheel> dipankar: Give me 2 minutes.
[18:47] <dipankar> kandarpk, hello sir, you working on the time zone bug?
[18:47] <dipankar> manusheel, sure sir, no problem?
[18:47] <kandarpk> dipankar: yes
[18:47] <manusheel> kandarpk: Send me the patch file before we move on to the next bug.
[18:47] <dipankar> kandarpk, I searched a bit about it last night. I also think its some problem with sign
[18:48] <manusheel> dipankar, kandarpk: Great. Did we identify the file, where the change needs to happen?
[18:48] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: looking for it
[18:49] <manusheel> That is the sign change.
[18:50] <dipankar> manusheel, just a sec sir
[18:53] <bernie> dipankar: I'm here
[18:55] <dipankar> manusheel, the file location
[18:55] <manusheel> bernie: Hi Bernie. Great.
[18:55] <dipankar> I think is: sugar-0.88.1/extensions/cpsection/datetime/model.py
[18:55] <dipankar> bernie, how are you doing?
[18:56] <manusheel> dipankar: Excellent, Dipankar. This was quick.
[18:56] <dipankar> manusheel, actually I forgot where I saw it last night :P. I forgot to write it down. Otherwise, would have been more faster :P
[18:57] <manusheel> dipankar: Ok, Dipankar. Sure. Let us have a word with Bernie now.
[18:57] <dipankar> manusheel, sure sir
[18:58] <manusheel> bernie: Around?
[18:58] <dipankar> bernie, I am working on the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617813
[18:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617813 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "sugar freezes when register widget is clicked (affects: 1) (heat: 207)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[18:59] <manusheel> kandarpk: Now, can you fix the bug, and upload its patch?
[18:59] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: looking for the file
[19:01] <manusheel> dipankar: Can you provide the full path of the file?
[19:01] <manusheel> From / ?
[19:04] <mukul> manusheel sir: I have sent you the mail. Please review.it. Howver I was not able to gomuch further regarding them.
[19:04] <dipankar> bernie, we are trying to introduce a small snippet in usr/share/pyshared/jarabe/desktop/schoolserver.py, which will compare the connection time with a preset lag time
[19:04] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, its in the source package of sugar
[19:04] <dipankar> *sorry, forgot to tell that before
[19:05] <manusheel> dipankar: Absolutely fine.
[19:06] <ishan> manusheel, sir any pointers on how to search for the file relating to the bug 2207
[19:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2207 in abuse-frabs (Ubuntu) "Icons / pixmaps in wrong directory (heat: 1)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2207
[19:06] <manusheel> mukul: Can you discuss the patch of bug 2064 with alsroot? That is an important one to understand. Let me know what all you have gathered in the discussion after your meeting with alsroot.
[19:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2064 in launchpad-foundations "launchpad.conf should support alternative port for database connection (dups: 1) (heat: 13)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2064
[19:07]  * dipankar : ankur is unable to join us because his hard disk crashed
[19:09] <manusheel> dipankar: Fine. I'll ask Ankur to come to the meeting tomorrow. We'll find him a machine to work on.
[19:09] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[19:09] <manusheel> ishan: Ok, what did you gather. Can you please explain?
[19:10] <manusheel> ishan: I asked you to write about the scenario. What you did when you find this exception?
[19:10] <manusheel> I didn't find it over there.
[19:11] <manusheel> dipankar: Let us arrive at a good conclusion on the registration bug. Looking at it.
[19:11] <ishan> manusheel sir: according to me the error message is displayed whenever dbus is not able to find the service which is requested by user
[19:11] <dipankar> manusheel, yeah! lets close this bug down today
[19:13] <manusheel> dipankar: I didn't find pyshared
[19:13] <manusheel> in share folder.
[19:14] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, are you looking in system or sugar-package?
[19:15] <dipankar> manusheel, sir just try this: cd  /usr/share/pyshared/jarabe/desktop/
[19:16] <manusheel> Didn't find pyshared.
[19:16] <manusheel> dipankar: Right. I tried this only.
[19:17] <kandarpk> alsroot: around ?
[19:17] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[19:17] <kandarpk> alsroot: which file has the info regarding system time ?
[19:18] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, please try this one then: dpkg -S schoolserver.py
[19:18] <manusheel> sure.
[19:19] <alsroot> kandarpk: afaik, sugar itself doesn't setup system time (and doesn't show it), so it is regular system stuff
[19:21] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, any result? this is strange
[19:21] <ishan> manusheel, the path mentioned by dipankar sir is correct
[19:21] <dipankar> ishan, thanks for cross-checking
[19:22] <kandarpk> alsroot: 'from datetime imoprt datetime'
[19:22] <kandarpk> print datetime.now()
[19:22] <manusheel> dipankar: yes, got it. Sorry, there was a resolution problem at my end.
[19:23] <dipankar> kandarpk, try : time.time()
[19:23] <kandarpk> alsroot: running this ^^ in pippy is giving wrong time
[19:23] <dipankar> kandarpk, oops, sorry, wrong statement
[19:23] <kandarpk> alsroot: the control panel has the option to adjust date/time
[19:24] <kandarpk> alsroot: how is that maintained ?
[19:25] <dipankar> manusheel, no problem at all :)
[19:25] <dipankar> happens sometime
[19:26] <manusheel> dipankar: So, you found the right spot. That func does the registration part.
[19:27] <dipankar> manusheel, :) yes sir. I think the problem is in line 100
[19:28] <manusheel> Yes.
[19:28] <manusheel> You need to add a line (conditional statement over there) as we had discussed.
[19:29] <alsroot> kandarpk: forgot it, sugar sets only time zone, all CP components come from sugar/extensions/cpsection, so see datetime sub directory
[19:31] <dipankar> alsroot, I think you are referring to model.py in datetime
[19:31] <dipankar> in which time zones are set
[19:31] <alsroot> kandarpk: btw are you sure that time is wrong?
[19:31] <alsroot> dipankar: yup
[19:31] <kandarpk> alsroot: thanks
[19:31] <alsroot> kandarpk: it could be just wrong time zone
[19:31] <kandarpk> alsroot: yes, UTC+10 gives time for UTC-10 and vice-versa
[19:32]  * alsroot checks
[19:37] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, what should I add then? A little guidance please :)
[19:39] <manusheel> dipankar: if (t>45 seconds), a message. This is based on the discussion we had.
[19:40] <dipankar> manusheel, ok sir, but how to get that time :?
[19:45] <manusheel> dipankar: Not very difficult. Think a bit.
[19:47] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did we change the code?
[19:47] <manusheel> And, make the patch.
[19:48] <alsroot> kandarpk: hmm, looks like problem is that python/Clock-actiivty shown time in time zone set in system all time
[19:48] <alsroot> *show
[19:48] <kandarpk> alsroot: using pippy
[19:49] <alsroot> kandarpk: i.e. in time zone that was chosen in CP
[19:49] <kandarpk> from datetime import datetime
[19:49] <alsroot> kandarpk: i.e. *not* in time zone that was chosen in CP
[19:49] <kandarpk> print datetime.now()
[19:49] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup, these all using python
[19:49] <dipankar> manusheel, sorry got d/c
[19:49] <manusheel> No worries
[19:49] <dipankar> manusheel, sir any message for me?
[19:50] <manusheel> dipankar: Yes.
[19:50]  * dipankar hates wireless routers, have to get up to reset it :(
[19:50] <bernie> dipankar, manusheel: sorry, I dropped off again :-)
[19:50] <manusheel> 00:10] <dipankar> manusheel, ok sir, but how to get that time :? [00:15] <manusheel> dipankar: Not very difficult. Think a bit.
[19:50] <bernie> dipankar, manusheel: I'll be in a meeting in 10 minutes... for about 1.5 hrs
[19:50] <alsroot> kandarpk: not sure I understand how this system should work, you can ping the author of commits to CP datetime component, use `git annotate` to see who is who
[19:50] <bernie> dipankar, manusheel: can you wait?
[19:51] <manusheel> bernie: Sure, Bernie. We'll wait.
[19:51] <dipankar> bernie, I think i will go to bed:) its past midnight here :P
[19:51] <kandarpk> alsroot: didn't get what "time zone set in system all time" means
[19:51] <manusheel> bernie: I'll discuss this with you.
[19:51] <dipankar> manusheel, sorry sir. :(
[19:52] <manusheel> dipankar: Based on what we have gathered, can you send an e-mail to Bernie?
[19:52] <manusheel> And CC me.
[19:52] <dipankar> manusheel, sure sir
[19:52] <manusheel> dipankar: We'll find the exact code that needs a change. Attach the file too in the e-mail.
[19:52] <alsroot> kandarpk: e.g. my system wide TZ is UTC, and in python/Pippy/Clock I see time in UTC (regardless what TZ was chosen in CP)
[19:53] <manusheel> alsroot: So, it is an activity specific issue?
[19:53] <kandarpk> alsroot: but the time changes on my system when I change the time zone
[19:54] <kandarpk> in CP
[19:54] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup, and thats why I'm not sure how it should work
[19:54] <alsroot> kandarpk: nope, activities shouldn't manage things like TZ on their own
[19:55] <alsroot> manusheel: ^
[19:55] <kandarpk> alsroot: cant we change datetime/cpsection/model.py ?
[19:56] <alsroot> kandarpk: in my mind, after choosing TZ in CP, all activities should show time in  that TZ (not in system one), but it dones't work, better to ask commits author what he had in mind
[19:56] <bernie> dipankar: k, sorry for my un-availability
[19:56] <dipankar> bernie, no problem :)
[19:57] <manusheel> dipankar: Can you quickly ask your question to Bernie now? We have almost arrived at the solution.
[19:57] <alsroot> bernie: btw, do you know is there envar to tune TZ?
[19:58] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, let us write to the author, and copy me, Aleksey and David on it.
[19:58] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Simon Schampijer has made commits to the file
[19:59] <alsroot> kandarpk: he is erikos on #sugar
[19:59] <kandarpk> alsroot: is datetime/cpsection/model.py the file we should be looking for ?
[19:59] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[19:59] <kandarpk> ok
[19:59] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sending you his e-mail address.
[20:00] <manusheel> bernie: Around?
[20:01] <ishan> bernie, hi
[20:03] <manusheel> ishan: Ok, you can drop an e-mail to Bernie, and copy me on it.
[20:03] <ishan> okay sir
[20:05] <ishan> alsroot, hi
[20:05] <alsroot> ishan: hi
[20:05] <ishan> alsroot, i am working on bug 2201
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2201 in bugsquish (Ubuntu) "Bugsquish / Bug Squish has no .desktop file (heat: 1)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2201
[20:06] <manusheel> ishan: We just discussed that we should always provide the URL.
[20:06] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did we find a result to the bug?
[20:06] <ishan> manusheel, sir when we write bug -number the ubot2 displays the bug sir
[20:06] <ishan> alsroot, http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2201
[20:07] <manusheel> ishan: Just check what bug did ubot displayed above?
[20:07] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: the timezone is set using "tz = 'GMT%d' % offset"
[20:07] <ishan> manusheel, okay sir my fault
[20:07] <kandarpk> when offset < 0
[20:07] <ishan> manusheel, will definately take care of that
[20:08] <manusheel> ishan: Thank you Ishan. Appreciate it.
[20:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: and "tz = 'GMT+%d' % offset" when offset > 0
[20:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right.
[20:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: no idea what to do next
[20:08] <ishan> alsroot, the bug is http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2201
[20:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: Change + to - and see if it works.
[20:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: that reorders the list in the control panel
[20:09] <alsroot> ishan: look if max chars is set properly for gtk.Label component that is used inside clipboard palette, http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkLabel.html#GtkLabel--max-width-chars
[20:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: UTC+10 appears before UTC-10
[20:10] <alsroot> ishan: I think proper value should fix this issue
[20:10] <ishan> alsroot, okay
[20:10] <kandarpk> thats it, the behaviour doesn't changes
[20:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I should leave now if we can look at it tomorrow.
[20:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: have written to Simon.
[20:11] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure, can you please reply to my e-mail with the info. you looked at it.
[20:11] <manusheel> The e-mail was incomplete.
[20:12] <manusheel> kandarpk: I had replied to you on it.
[20:13] <manusheel> alsroot: What would be a proper value of max chars?
[20:14] <ishan> manusheel, sir can you tell me the feature used that displays the copied text when we move mouse over the clipboard
[20:17] <manusheel> ishan: Did you look at the clipboard?
[20:17] <ishan> yes sir
[20:17] <manusheel> functionality.
[20:17] <alsroot> manusheel: counting how many pixel will require "W", and calculating final value from screen width
[20:18] <dipankar> manusheel, sent the e-mail
[20:18] <manusheel> dipankar: You didn't write about the function there.
[20:19] <manusheel> dipankar: Also, the file was not attached.
[20:19] <manusheel> dipankar: Generally, no one has the time to dig into the function, and go to the file, and then provide solution.
[20:20] <manusheel> dipankar: You have to make it easy for others to go through your question in seconds.
[20:20] <manusheel> dipankar: If a question cannot be browsed in seconds, there are little chances of getting value added replies.
[20:21] <manusheel> alsroot: Screen width should be independent of screen mode, right?
[20:21] <dipankar> manusheel, oops, sorry sir. about the function, are you referring to the line, def register_laptop(url=REGISTER_URL):
[20:21] <dipankar> ?
[20:21] <alsroot> manusheel: yup, just taking current screen width
[20:21] <manusheel> dipankar: Yes, Dipankar.
[20:21] <manusheel> dipankar: Also, attach the file.
[20:22] <dipankar> manusheel, sure sir
[20:23] <manusheel> dipankar: Always think like, how can I reduce the time of the person, who would be providing pointers in solving the issue?
[20:23] <manusheel> dipankar: You need to reduce the lead time of understanding and replying to an e-mail.
[20:24] <alsroot> ishan: to get char width in pixels, use something like http://pastebin.com/QY5T0Pwq
[20:24] <manusheel> dipankar: Generally, everyone gets lot of e-mails on any given day.
[20:25] <manusheel> dipankar: At the same time, a trade off has to be maintained. Not to make the e-mail very detailed too.
[20:25] <manusheel> Just all the requisite details.
[20:25] <ishan> alsroot, okay
[20:25] <manusheel> ishan: Did you look at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkLabel.html#GtkLabel--max-width-chars
[20:25] <manusheel> ?
[20:26] <ishan> manusheel, yes sir but let me first reach to the line where i have to make the changes
[20:26] <ishan> almost close
[20:26] <manusheel> ishan: Ok
[20:28] <manusheel> alsroot: Is the list view unavailable in Sugar emulator?
[20:29] <manusheel> alsroot: At the Journal.
[20:29] <manusheel> alsroot: Mukul wrote the following analysis for http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2229
[20:30] <manusheel> Bug #2229: Using Journal to rename an entry sets entry size to "Empty" when sort mode is "View by size"  This is what is the screenshot should be like.  http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/2229/Journal%20renaming%20sets%20size%20to%20Empty.png  However, I do not see any list view icon on my sugar-emulator.
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2229 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "update-notifier pops up a notice despite an ongoing upgrade (heat: 1)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2229
[20:30] <alsroot> manusheel: hmm, at least it should  be available
[20:30] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, sent the email
[20:30] <manusheel> dipankar: Thanks Dipankar.
[20:30] <manusheel> We'll talk tomorrow. Good night.
[20:31] <dipankar> manusheel, good night sir
[20:32] <alsroot> manusheel: I guess Andreas(aa) takes care of this bug, he is author of sorting feature
[20:33] <manusheel> alsroot: The problem is that no action has been taken since last 7 days.
[20:33] <alsroot> manusheel: btw, this splitting #sugar/#ubuntu-sugar sounds pretty useless
[20:33] <manusheel> alsroot: Can you provide me his e-mail address?
[20:33] <alsroot> manusheel: just ping aa on #sugar
[20:34] <alsroot> manusheel: imho, would be better to move all not ubuntu specific discussions to #sugar
[20:34] <alsroot> all sugar devs are there
[20:35] <ishan> manusheel, sir i am not able to figure where is gtk used for text max length
[20:35] <ishan> i have found this only for the display on clipboard icons formed on the left corner
[20:35] <ishan> and it imports gtk in each file
[20:36] <ishan> how do i find gtk
[20:36] <manusheel> ishan: Search for sometime.
[20:36] <ishan> manusheel, okay
[20:38] <manusheel> alsroot: Send you a message. I hope you agree with me on the feedback.
[20:40] <alsroot> manusheel: dfarning: what about creating #sugar-newbies e.g. like http://kernelnewbies.org/, I mean #ubuntu-sugarteam restricts possibly useful discussions only to ubunut devs
[20:48] <dfarning> alsroot, I hope that once the first version of USR is release ubuntu will pick that up.
[20:48] <dfarning> alsroot, if not, we will do it:(
[20:50] <alsroot> dfarning: I mean not related to ubuntu related discussions, only sugar development related
[20:52] <dfarning> alsroot, are we big enough to need another channel -- we have #olpc, and #sugar for upstream and #dextrose and #ubuntu-sugarteam at our level.
[20:53] <dfarning> alsroot, if you think we need another please feel free to create it.
[20:53] <alsroot> dfarning: thats why I proposed to move sugar dev related questions to #sugar
[20:54] <alsroot> dfarning: discuss them here, we make this discutions less useful
[20:54] <alsroot> since restrict possible participants
[20:55] <dfarning> alsroot,  The big problem is that #sugar is not logged and this is.
[20:55] <alsroot> if every distro team will discuss sugar dev related stuf (not distro) in their own..
[20:56] <alsroot> dfarning: thats why I proposed #sugar-newbies :)
[20:56] <dfarning> alsroot, +1
[20:56] <dfarning> alsroot, do you know how to set up logging?  I don't.
[20:57] <alsroot> dfarning: will take care of it right now
[20:57] <ishan> manusheel, sir still no leads sir
[20:57] <alsroot> ..and will announce it on MLs
[20:57] <ishan> i have found the line from where we could change the length of display on box but not for wrapping the text
[20:58] <ishan> on box/box
[20:58] <dfarning> alsroot,  thanks, where will the logs go? ... and could you log #dextrose in the same place?
[20:59] <alsroot> dfarning: not yet figure out it, but will take care about #dextrose as well
[20:59] <dfarning> alsroot, thanks
[21:00] <manusheel> ishan: Ok.
[21:01] <ishan> manusheel, is that something to do with palettes
[21:01] <ishan> dont think so
[21:01] <ishan> that the thing being used for the size of box
[21:01] <manusheel> ishan: No.
[21:02] <ishan> thought so
[21:02] <ishan> manusheel, sir but i searched writing gtk in each file in jarabe/frames but no results
[21:03] <ishan> found only one place where it was being used for displaying clipboard icons on left in vertical row
[21:06] <manusheel> ishan: Ok.


[00:46] <cjwatson> skaet_: pushing out now
[00:46] <cjwatson> skaet_: if it looks wrong, either fix it directly or else let me know and I'll fix it in the morning
[01:49] <skaet_> cjwatson,  thanks.
[03:07] <skaet_> all,  10.04.2 is announced and on the mirrors.    enjoy.   :)
[03:24] <highvoltage> skaet_: \o/
[11:03] <Riddell> is .2 being announced?
[11:11] <cjwatson> 03:07 <skaet_> all,  10.04.2 is announced and on the mirrors.    enjoy.   :)
[11:11] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-February/000141.html
[13:48] <jdstrand> I have re-enabled copy-report
[18:09] <skaet_> cjwatson,  would it be possible to add ubuntu-release to lucid and the other active releases,  as a release-manager?    10.04.2 milestone needs to be made inactive, and the permissions currently only allow ubuntu-core-dev to make the changes.
[18:09]  * skaet_ is also thinking about some EOL releases coming up too....
[18:10] <cjwatson> I think it's only possible to have a single series release manager, and if I do that then I suspect that core-devs won't be able to nominate bugs?
[18:11] <cjwatson> you're in ~ubuntu-drivers, so you should be able to make the change
[18:11] <cjwatson> is that not so?
[18:18] <cjwatson> I've deactivated 10.04.2, at any rate (and fixed its date)
[22:07] <skaet_> cjwatson,  thanks for making the changes.   I'm only able to make milestone changes in natty, no prior release.
[23:53] <bjf> skaet_, you realy around ?


[00:41] <trinikrono> hey can i borrow a mentor for a few mins
[01:09] <ddecator> trinikrono: what'd you have in mind?
[01:10] <trinikrono> ddecator: well as of monday i am a bugsquad member
[01:10] <ddecator> trinikrono: congrats =)
[01:10] <trinikrono> so i am just looking to do some work
[01:10] <trinikrono> i mostly have been setting old bugs as incomplete
[01:10] <trinikrono> or where it did have enough info
[01:10] <ddecator> trinikrono: is there a certain package you're interested in? (i can't remember if i asked you this before or not...)
[01:11] <trinikrono> well it does not matter too much i want to learn here
[01:12] <ddecator> trinikrono: alright, well a good place to start with general triage is what you've been doing, finding bugs you're comfortable with at first and asking for more information then subscribing yourself. you can also find ones you can test to see if you can confirm, and if a problem sounds like it would be common you can look for dupes. once you're comfortable with the process, you can start challenging yourself a little more =)
[01:13] <trinikrono> okie i was wondering about something
[01:13] <trinikrono> say i wanted to show you a bug
[01:13] <trinikrono> i see people do a thing where it comes up as a link in here
[01:13] <trinikrono> with the number
[01:13] <ddecator> yup, that's thanks to ubot4
[01:13] <trinikrono> ah
[01:13] <ddecator> just type "bug <number>" and it automatically does it
[01:13] <trinikrono> lemme try that
[01:14] <ddecator> you can also do "mozilla <number>" and "gnome <number>" for upstream (not sure what else is supported)
[01:14] <trinikrono> bug 559624
[01:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 559624 in cups (Ubuntu) "CUPS will not function as network Print Server (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559624
[01:14] <trinikrono> yea can you look at this one
[01:14] <trinikrono> the guy confirmed it himself
[01:15] <trinikrono> i am not sure what to do with it
[01:15] <ddecator> alright, one sec
[01:17] <yofel> the additional ones I know of are 'freedesktop <num>' and 'debian <num>'
[01:17] <trinikrono> nice
[01:17] <yofel> oh, and 'kde <num>'
[01:17] <ddecator> hm, it might be how he setup access to his server. you could ask him to run apport, but i'm not sure if it's a cups problem or user error. i have an ubuntu server, but i haven't used it for this, so you could as in #ubuntu-servers about how that might be properly setup. i don't know how willing people in that channel will be to look at the report, but if they're like this channel there is likely someone who will take a look =)
[01:18] <ddecator> yofel: i wouldn't have guessed freedesktop..huh
[01:18] <ddecator> s/as/ask
[01:18] <yofel> me too, until someone posted a link and ubot said 'freedesktop bug ...' ^^
[01:22] <trinikrono> aha
[01:22] <trinikrono> okie
[01:22] <trinikrono> ill try that
[01:39] <bbordwell> yofel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/571952
[01:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 571952 in launchpad "Bugs show up twice (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[01:46] <hggdh> I wonder. Why are the archives so slow now?
[01:55] <persia> hggdh: Because there are so very many people upgrading today.
[02:06] <ddecator> so far i'm surprised by the lack of bugmail i've gotten today..
[02:08] <persia> I suspect it's a result of all the work to disable bug reporting for the final release.
[02:14] <hggdh> most certainly.
[02:16]  * micahg got comments on open bugs already
[02:22] <arand> Hmm, I've got a slightly "annoyed" comment, which I presume might be from a developer on Bug #519541 ...I'd like to give as "friendly" as possible an answer: Am I on the wrong line here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424937/ ??
[02:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519541 in abiword (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Abiword 2.8.1 freezes with document lost when help is clicked or F1 is pressed (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 54)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519541
[02:24] <micahg> arand: if it's a bug fix only release, it might qualify for an SRU
[02:25] <arand> micahg: < persia> arand: Yeah, it would need a cherrypicked fix.
[02:26] <arand> micahg: Hence I got the impression that it was out of the question..
[02:26] <persia> It defintely qualifies for SRU: common action can cause user data loss.
[02:26] <micahg> persia: I was referring to a full version update if it's a bug fix only release
[02:26] <persia> But based on the comments in the bug, I have the strong impression that just pushing the entire new upstream version into an SRU would not be accepted.
[02:27]  * micahg was going to suggest contacting someone on the -sru team to see
[02:27] <persia> micahg: One needs approval from the TB for that.  You happen to do a lot of wok on a team who has secured such approval for a number of your apps because upstream is incapable of generating useful patches or maintaining stable branches.  Most folk operate under different restrictions.
[02:27] <persia> But yeah, asking someone actually on the SRU team is a good idea :)
[02:28] <micahg> persia: all the other teams that upload new point releases have TB approval for each instance (not asking for blanket permission, just one instance)
[02:28] <persia> No. e.g. GNOME and KDE have blanket permission for certain classes of update.
[02:29] <micahg> persia: ah, ok
[02:29] <persia> I think the kernel does too, as long as it tracks the stable kernel branch for the same version (e.g. <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS>)
[02:29] <rodrigo3n> hello everyone
[02:29] <persia> But it's a list of something like 5-10 upstreams that have that permission.
[02:29] <rodrigo3n> i just finished downloading lucid
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> and during the installation process
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> the install stuck in 34%
[02:30] <charlie-tca> arand: that abiword bug is going to be sru'd, we are just waiting for lucid to settle
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> "preparing memtest86+"
[02:30] <micahg> persia: so anyone that doesn't have blanket permission for a point release update needs the TB approval for one and not the SRU team?
[02:30] <arand> charlie-tca: The full 2.8.4?
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> and its during 20 minutes already
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> did anyone see that?
[02:31] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure if it will be, crimson was working on a fix last night
[02:31] <persia> micahg: *everything* needs SRU team approval.  Packages without blanket permission for new upstream releases need to undergo detailed code review of th changes to confirm it is indeed a "minimal diff" to address the outstanding issues.
[02:32] <micahg> persia: that still didn't answer my question :)
[02:32] <arand> charlie-tca: Ok, then me poking about will likely not help much... :)
[02:33] <charlie-tca> yeah, probably true
[02:33] <rodrigo3n> did everyone here upgraded from Karmic?
[02:33] <rodrigo3n> successfully?
[02:33] <charlie-tca> been a thorn in my side for a couple of months already
[02:34] <arand> rodrigo3n: #ubuntu is probably a more appropriate channel, this one is for bug handling, not really support.
[02:35] <persia> micahg: The TB grants blanket approvals, but not (typically) individual approvals.  The SRU team applies the guidance of the TB policy in reviewing each upload.  Does that make more sense?
[02:35] <rodrigo3n> arand thanks, sorry. (it was because I could't get heard there)
[02:36] <micahg> persia: well, so it seems like the answer is yes, the SRU team can approve it if it's minimal and appropriate
[02:36] <persia> Right, but it usually has to meet the "minimal diff" rule, which this doesn't appear to do, based on comments including prior code review.
[02:36] <persia> (read the bug log for more details)
[02:39] <charlie-tca> arand: one thing that bothers me a lot is msevior's attitude on the bugs. He has one answer on almost all the bugs: Upgrade to the latest "version"
[02:40] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, versions 2.8.2, 2.8.3, and 2.8.4 came out after we brought in the latest stable versions they had, 2.8.0 and 2.8.1
[02:41] <jcastro> charlie-tca: this isn't the first time abiword has released in the middle of a freeze for us
[02:41] <arand> It's the constant upstream downstream running the opposite way...
[02:41] <charlie-tca> As a developer, he seems to have forgotten that 5 versions in 6 months is not so good
[02:42] <charlie-tca> jcastro: but we brought in two versions after freeze
[02:43] <jcastro> right, but sometimes it's hard to explain distro freezes and stuff to upstream
[02:43] <charlie-tca> true
[02:43] <jcastro> as far as he's concerned he's done his bit and he'd rather lecture
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I have to wonder how many users they are losing when they insist on bringing new versions out so fast
[02:44] <jcastro> most people are just going to use what's in the distro
[02:45] <charlie-tca> That's why I opted to wait to do something when we had people trying to fix it
[02:46]  * jcastro nods
[02:47] <jcastro> charlie-tca: there's a reason we don't just take microreleases of upstream without checking. This happened to tomboy last cycle
[02:47] <jcastro> and I'm sure there are umpteen other ones
[02:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's what I thought too
[02:48] <charlie-tca> But, I also did not see any reason to jump at him every time he puts in his comment to upgrade it
[02:48] <jcastro> yeah
[02:49] <jcastro> btw I try to collect things useful for upstreams on our policies here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream
[02:49] <jcastro> though I'm sure he's read it, he just doesn'
[02:49] <jcastro> t agree with it
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Thanks for that.  I have been working with upstream on a couple of packages
[02:53] <arand> I'm still thinking an "answer" is better than silence though... Would this be ok: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424945/
[02:54] <charlie-tca> sure, that looks fine
[02:54] <jcastro> that looks good
[02:54]  * arand sends
[02:54] <jcastro> dunno about "paranoia", but whatever, heh
[02:54]  * charlie-tca thinks his name is getting around too much, somehow
[02:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know if that is good or bad, but at least I seem to be known a little bit
[02:56] <ddecator> i suppose it depends on the context
[02:56] <charlie-tca> true enough
[02:57] <arand> charlie-tca: Well, I just wanted to point out why I was going to "stop poking"..
[02:57] <charlie-tca> probably means I need to become active ...
[02:57] <charlie-tca> It's good. at least it does give some direction to it
[02:59] <arand> Hmm, it's true that it could be somewhat of "his responsibility", comment, sorry, didn't intend that...
[03:01] <charlie-tca> not a problem
[04:36] <xpot-mobile> any known bugs/issues with 10.04?
[04:37] <persia> Lots!
[04:37] <xpot-mobile> so... its not safe to update then?
[04:37] <persia> Seems there are 86,400 open bugs.
[04:38] <persia> Oh, it's less buggy than 9.10.
[04:39] <xpot-mobile> persia: haha, that gives me excitement enough to see if it breaks anything ;)
[04:39] <persia> If you've a mission-critical application, you're recommended to wait until June (but then you were probably still running 8.04 anyway).  If you've a regular system, upgrade away!
[04:39] <xpot-mobile> persia: sweet, thanks.  will post how it goes when I come back online.
[04:39] <micahg> persia: 86k? where?
[04:40] <persia> micahg: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[04:40] <persia> Ah, 84,600.
[04:40] <micahg> persia: k, I was wondering if tehre were 2k bugs I couldn't see :)
[04:40]  * persia has 86,400 hardcoded in the brain because it's the number of seconds in a day
[04:45] <xpot-mobile> I will see if I can start working on a fix for bug number 1 immediately
[04:47] <ddecator> xpot-mobile: that'd be great =)
[04:47] <xpot-mobile> -=0)
[05:51] <ddecator> when a user goes to Appearance > Visual Effects and selects Normal or Extra, should something detect if compiz isn't installed an prompt for it to be installed?
[05:51] <ddecator> s/an/and
[05:52] <persia> That seems like a useful enhancement, yes.  Please file a wishlist bug.
[05:54] <ddecator> persia: do you know if it's already supposed to or not? i was working on a bug report that ended up being due to this, wasn't sure what the behavior was supposed to be
[05:54] <persia> I think it *should*  I have no idea if it's supposed to.
[05:54] <persia> Not doing that seems wrong to me.
[05:55] <persia> I don't even know if it does (I've never been happy with compiz: there is a large subjective perception of system slowdown, although I try it each release)
[05:55] <ddecator> me too. i guess it searched for drivers, but it never prompted the user to install compiz. when he did it manually, it solved the issue
[05:58] <ddecator> persia: do you know offhand what package handles that?
[05:58] <persia> Nope.  Easy way to check: search the .desktop files for the name of the wizard.  Run dpkg -S against that .desktop file.
[05:59] <ddecator> alright, thanks, i'll try to get around to that later tonight
[06:52] <ddecator> persia: er, where would i start my search for the .desktop file?
[06:53] <persia> /usr/share/applications/
[06:53] <ddecator> danke
[06:53] <persia> grep -rin is your freind :)
[06:56] <ddecator> persia: any idea what i should search for? haha
[06:57] <persia> What's the name of the control panel for which you want to identify the responsible package?
[06:57] <persia> You can safely use a localised name, because of how .desktop files work, so don't worry about trying to figure out the base language name.
[07:02] <ddecator> hm, i'm not sure what it would say...
[07:04] <persia> ddecator: OK.  So, for which thing are you trying to determine the right package?
[07:05] <ddecator> persia: whatever would be responsible for checking if compiz is installed whenever a person tries to activate visual effects in the gnome-appearance-properties
[07:05] <persia> Why not start with gnome-appearance-properties?
[07:05] <persia> Wouldn't that be a sensible thing to check, since that's the software the user is using at the time the check needs to be performed?
[07:06] <persia> Whether that gets abstracted out somewhere else is an implementation detail.
[07:09] <ddecator> fair enough. but where would i look to see if it checks that or not?
[07:10] <ddecator> i could check the source, but idk if that's necessary or not
[07:16] <persia> That's probably the most straightforward way to check.
[07:16] <persia> The other alternative is to disable visual effects, remove compiz, enable visual effects, and see if you get any feedback.
[07:17] <ddecator> hm, i'll see if i can get that to work in a live environment so i don't lose any of my compiz settings
[07:20] <persia> heh.
[07:20] <persia> That or a VM, or reading the code.
[07:22] <ddecator> yah i'm using testdrive
[07:22] <ddecator> if that doesn't give me a clue, i'll look at the code
[07:29] <ddecator> "desktop effects could not be enabled" well that's helps...
[07:33] <persia> So the bug is really "message fails to give user sufficient information".
[07:33] <persia> But getting sufficient information means polling the graphics hardware too, as we can't know that their display system is *capable* of running compiz.
[07:35] <ddecator> right, but it seems like it could at least explain why. should i file a bug for it?
[07:35] <persia> Or maybe refer back to Damascene to give some insight.
[07:36]  * persia is fairly neutral about this bug, and believes it to be wishlist, if it is a bug.
[07:37] <ddecator> hm. i'll at least close the report i've been working on since the reporter got it working, but i'll try to figure out if this is something worth reporting or not
[07:37] <Damascene> what is the problem? it's hard to read all the page
[07:38] <ddecator> Damascene: when a user tries to enable visual effects from gnome-appearance-properties, but does not have compiz installed, it doesn't give helpful information, it just says that the effects couldn't be enabled
[07:39] <Damascene> I see. I'm not so much in compiz but I'am with the idea of giving useful information in case of errors
[07:40] <Damascene> that happened to me with compiz-setting-manager when I tried to enable some effect
[07:40] <Damascene> it didn't say any thing but didn't work
[07:40] <Damascene> and I discovered after asking in #compiz and other channel that my card doesn't support it
[07:41] <Damascene> and they say it's not a bug it's just your card :)
[07:42] <Damascene> I think it's a common problem that should be addressed
[07:43] <ddecator> hmmm, the problem i experienced is a little different from what the reporter had. probably because i didn't enable the graphics driver since i was in a live session. bug 561146 comment 11
[07:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 561146 in ubuntu "firefox takes over whole screen with no exit button in left hand corner (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561146
[07:45] <ddecator> doesn't even sound like he got an error message, it changed the setting, but he didn't even have compiz installed
[07:49] <Damascene> do you want me to remove compiz and test the gnome-appearance-properties ?
[07:50] <ddecator> nah, i'll give it a shot
[07:52] <ddecator> well now this is odd...
[07:53] <ddecator> compiz is uninstalled, but it's still using effects...i got the same thing as the reporter though, searched for drivers, then enabled it, but it never said anything about compiz
[07:54] <ddecator> ha, and no metacity on this window..
[07:55] <kklimonda> what is the RT ticket? i know there is rt.ubuntu.com but I don't understand how it's related to Ubuntu, Canonical and LP
[08:08] <ddecator> oooooh, i think i figured it out
[08:10] <ddecator> i guess gnome-control-center looks for /usr/bin/compiz which is provided by compiz-core but it doesn't check if just the plain compiz package is installed, and having compiz-core installed but not compiz causes the issue
[08:12] <Damascene> nice work
[08:15] <ddecator> i'll report it, let the devs decide if they want to do anything about it or not
[08:44] <BUGabundo_remote> Morning
[08:44] <ddecator> mornin' BUGabundo_remote
[08:45] <kermiac> hi BUGabundo_remote :)
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey hey
[09:52] <cbsch> Hello, I'd like to file a bug about something, but I don't know where to begin, I've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs but it didn't help me much. The bug is that when you run the System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers tool and the small window pops up telling you it's downloading files and whatnot, the window appears on the taskbar with the title "Untitled window". I think it should either not appear, or at least have a desc
[10:58] <om26er> ubuntu+1 was a good channel for general talk now its gone :(
[10:59] <Mahara> lol, ubuntu+1 is for the next version of Ubuntu
[10:59] <Mahara> which now is #ubuntu
[10:59] <vish> om26er: general talk? never ;p  it was for support ;)
[11:00] <Mahara> #ubuntu+1 will be opened as soon as the plans for the next release will be ready
[11:18] <Daniel5> Hi
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> boo he left
[11:28] <om26er> (and then later he realized he was in the wrong channel)
[11:48] <Wipster> can anyone cast their eyes over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/572205 see if its all in order?
[11:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572205 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager fails to add default route (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[11:56] <testso> Hi I've found and can confirm a bug!
[11:56] <testso> now, I don't see any report on this bug, but it's fairly obvious, if you are on a laptop at least
[11:57] <testso> can you help me detect any duplicate?
[11:58] <testso> THE bug: right click in any application, e.g. firefox. Make sure you see a menu. Then hit any multimedia button, e.g. mute. Expected: sound to be muted. Actual: nothing happens
[11:58] <BUGabundo_remote> testso: basicly our laptop is not properly issuing multimedia keys
[11:59] <BUGabundo_remote> either file a bug or set them manually
[11:59] <arand> testso: Old a known bug... let me check
[12:00] <testso> BUGabundo_remote: I don't think my laptop hardware is aware that firefox is blocking the input ...
[12:00] <testso> arand: thx, I was looking but couldn't find it
[12:00] <testso> arand: I don't want to file a duplicate
[12:01] <arand> testso: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/10905
[12:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 10905 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't use any global keyboard shortcuts or hotkeys when applet/menu is open (affects: 15) (dups: 23)" [Wishlist,Invalid]
[12:03] <arand> "menus are implemented with keyboard and pointer grabs" as per gtk-developer on upstream bug report... I'm afraid it aint gonna change in some time...
[12:03] <testso> arand: gah, nasty
[12:04] <testso> arand: thanks for your help, i'll join the gtk team
[12:04] <arand> ...If ever...
[12:04] <arand> It has been a real pet peeve os mine though, brrr...
[12:05] <cbsch> Hello, I'd like to file a bug about something, but I don't know where to begin. I've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs but it didn't help me much. The bug is that when you run the System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers tool and the small window pops up telling you it's downloading files and whatnot, the window appears on the taskbar with the title "Untitled window". I think it should either not appear, or at least have a desc
[12:06] <arand> testso: I think it's even down to X11 .. :(
[12:08] <om26er> a similar bug that I face is when a menu is opened and the system is left when I come back a) screensaver is not started b) after unclicking the menu screensaver starts
[12:10] <testso> arand: do you have an X11 upstream?
[12:10] <testso> upstream/upstream bug
[12:10] <arand> om26er: Yep, potentially avoiding password-locking the computer and a security issue, it's a lovely one.
[12:10] <arand> testso: No, just the gtk-dev's comment on bugzilla...
[12:10] <testso> arand: ok
[13:21] <om26er> what to add to grub to disable kms?
[13:26] <arand> om26er: nomodeset ... afaik
[14:30] <vish> om26er: depends on the card.. for radeon , i had to use radeon.modeset=0
[14:32] <om26er> vish, it was a problem with someone at #ubuntu so I thought disabling kms might be helpful
[14:33] <om26er> that might be i915.modeset=0
[14:34] <vish> om26er: not sure , but better check in #ubuntu-x
[14:35] <om26er> will defer for now
[14:36]  * om26er still misses #ubuntu+1 ;)
[14:38] <yofel> intel is i195.modeset=0 yes
[14:38] <yofel> err...
[14:38] <yofel> *i915 ^^
[14:38] <marvin_> Hello
[14:39] <marvin_> I have a bug with Ubuntu 10.04 and Vuze ..it wont start anymore
[14:39] <marvin_>  marvin@Marvin:~$ vuze
[14:39] <marvin_> [warning] /usr/bin/vuze: Unable to locate swt in /usr/share/java
[14:39] <marvin_> file:/usr/lib/jni/ ; file:/usr/lib/java/ ; file:/usr/share/java/Azureus2.jar ; file:/usr/share/java/log4j-1.2-1.2.15.jar ; file:/usr/share/java/commons-cli-1.2.jar ; file:/home/marvin/
[14:39] <marvin_> java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.common.Main.directLaunch(Main.java:229)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.common.Main.main(Main.java:132)
[14:39] <om26er> floodbot?
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.launcher.MainExecutor$1.run(MainExecutor.java:37)
[14:39] <kklimonda> !op
[14:40] <ubot4> Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
[14:40] <marvin_> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Shell
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.mainwindow.Initializer.<init>(Initializer.java:111)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main.<init>(Main.java:88)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main.main(Main.java:255)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	... 12 more
[14:40] <marvin_> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Shell
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:321)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.launcher.classloading.PrimaryClassloader.loadClass(PrimaryClassloader.java:103)
[14:40] <om26er> oh my
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:266)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:334)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	... 15 more
[14:40] <marvin_> Start fails:
[14:40] <marvin_> com.aelitis.azureus.core.AzureusCoreException: Azureus core already instantiated
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.core.impl.AzureusCoreImpl.create(AzureusCoreImpl.java:120)
[14:40] <yofel> yep, the error is *quite* long ^^
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.core.AzureusCoreFactory.create(AzureusCoreFactory.java:46)
[14:40] <lifeless> !pastebin
[14:40] <ubot4> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.common.Main.main(Main.java:160)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.launcher.MainExecutor$1.run(MainExecutor.java:37)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
[14:40] <kklimonda> lifeless: it's not like he's posting it one line at the time :/
[14:40] <marvin_> perhaps you can do something about it
[14:40] <yofel> thanks
[14:46] <kamusin> :)
[14:51] <acicula>  <marvin_> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Shell
[14:51] <acicula> sprinkle more jars?
[15:31] <maxb> I'm getting a spurious "System policy prevents stopping the system when other users are logged in" (no other users are logged in)
[15:32] <maxb> What package would I search/file bug reports under?
[15:37] <yofel> maxb: when do you get that message?
[15:38] <maxb> When I try to restart via the indicator appliet
[15:38] <maxb> * applet
[15:39] <maxb> ugh, I just found ck-list-sessions
[15:40] <maxb> The second session is a 'su -c rmiregistry bin' that I ran from upstart
[15:40] <maxb> Why is a noninteractive su creating a CK session?!
[16:01] <Wiplash> can anyone replicate the bug I posted earlier? having trouble adding a route in the network applet when in manual mode
[16:09] <Wiplash> setting manualy in the applet still gives me "nm_system_replace_default_ip4_route(): (wlan0): failed to set IPv4 default route: -22"
[16:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you verify some karmic SRUs?
[16:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: they're for xfce apps
[16:40] <charlie-tca> micahg: I can try
[16:40] <charlie-tca> which ones
[16:45] <micahg> bug 455089 and bug 494360
[16:45] <ubot4> micahg: Bug 455089 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/455089 is private
[16:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494360 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "battery notification lacks an icon in karmic/lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494360
[16:45] <micahg> charlie-tca: package is in karmic-proposed
[16:46] <micahg> ubot4: go update your DB :)
[16:46] <ubot4> micahg: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:55] <charlie-tca> sorry, I looked at that, but I don't have a portable computer. I have 5 desktop systems
[16:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, thanks
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I couldn't reproduce the suspend issue without the patch
[16:57] <micahg> anyone have a laptop running Xubuntu karmic?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Sorry, but I did try to do both of those
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I can ask in #xubuntu-devel if anyone does, too
[16:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, thanks pitti's going to delete the package if no one tests it, it's been in proposed for 3 months
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I saw that. I will try to get them tested. Thanks
[16:59] <charlie-tca> I have to rebuild a system, and planned on hitting bugs monday, here.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> micahg: will be tested later today
[17:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: great, thanks
[17:43] <n3glv> ATI support?
[17:43] <n3glv> no hardware drivers showing at all
[17:43] <n3glv> lucid of course
[17:44] <n3glv> laptop
[17:44] <n3glv> dual screen
[17:44] <n3glv> total mess
[17:44] <n3glv> where is this 'generic driver' that i'm supposed to be able to use instead?
[17:44] <yofel> n3glv: support please in #ubuntu, this channel is for handling bug reports
[17:44] <n3glv> this is a bug
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> n3glv: please try #ubuntu for help
[17:44] <n3glv> can't get video support
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> this # is meant for bug triage. Thank you
[17:45] <n3glv> not a bug when hardware drivers page is blank?
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> n3glv: is the bug filed?
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> if not, then you want support
[17:45] <n3glv> did not see it
[17:45] <Sami345> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/572357
[17:45] <n3glv> saw info saying to use the generic one
[17:45] <Sami345> Do you think there is something missing from my report?
[17:45] <n3glv> which is nowhere to be found
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> !bugs | n3glv
[17:45] <ubot4> n3glv: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:46] <BUGabundo_remote> boo
[17:46] <yofel> gone...
[17:46] <yofel> ubot4: ping?
[17:46] <ubot4> Factoid 'ping?' not found
[17:46] <yofel> bug 572357
[17:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572357 in ubuntu "Ubuntu freezes for a few seconds when I press any key (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572357
[17:46] <yofel> ...
[17:46] <Sami345> well, howto repeat the problem, put I think it's simple 1. Put on the computer 2. Press any key from keyboard
[18:16] <blueyed> Is xorg-edgers ppa not uptodate?
[18:16] <blueyed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Nouveau#Testing bugs against upstream Nouveau -
[18:16] <blueyed> does not upgrade anything..
[18:16] <blueyed> will try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-next/current/ instead. brb
[18:39] <blueyed> no luck.. bug 569122 - any hints welcome to debug this further
[18:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 569122 in linux (Ubuntu) "Resuming from hibernation fails (video garbage with nouveau, no progress/hibernation with nvidia-current) (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569122
[19:51] <genii> Something like:  zsync -i older-iso.iso http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/final-iso-name.iso.zsync          fails to work. I suspect because "releases.ubuntu.com" wants to get converted to something else like "d2dakxl4s2lf96.cloudfront.net" server-side. Any way around this? If a bug then against what to file?
[19:54] <arand> genii: just using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ worked for me.
[20:13] <genii> Thing is... why are there .zsync extensions in releases.ubuntu.com if you have to go to cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[20:56] <chcat> hello, i am trying to use getsockopt( tcp_work_socket, SOL_IP, TCP_INFO, (void *)&tcp_info, (socklen_t *)&tcp_info_length )  to get number of retransmissions from tcp_info... The problem is - the number is always stays 0 no matter how much I  limit channel bandwidth. Is there a known bug associated with this method?
[21:28] <blueyed> chcat: very specific question you got there. You might want to poke in #linux or some more developer oriented channel. I do not think there's a bug with some (which?) Ubuntu version.
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I just upgraded to maverick :)
[21:30]  * BUGabundo waits for #ubuntu+1 to reopen
[21:30] <blueyed> Finally :)
[21:30]  * blueyed would not do it in the first weeks though..
[21:31] <blueyed> why is #ubuntu+1 closed?
[21:31] <BUGabundo> release
[21:32] <blueyed> that's no reason?! "extra effort gone wild"?
[21:32] <penguin42> blueyed: They always do that on release
[21:32] <blueyed> ah. than it makes sense..
[21:32] <blueyed> then rather
[21:33] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh, archive is open already?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> you guessed it kklimonda :)
[22:31] <garyjmellor> has anyone noticed the positioning of the shutdown etc options in 10.04 64-bit? they're under the system menu and not in the top right corner. also all the options aren't present. is this by design? the 32-bit version has them in the usual place. this is a complete reinstall from iso downloaded today.
[22:31] <garyjmellor> has anyone noticed the positioning of the shutdown etc options in 10.04 64-bit? they're under the system menu and not in the top right corner. also all the options aren't present. is this by design? the 32-bit version has them in the usual place. this is a complete reinstall from iso downloaded today.
[22:43] <mvn071> lucids bugs => hangs on Fn-keys to higher-lower the screenligth
[22:43] <mvn071> on acer aspire 4810tz
[22:45] <mvn071> and importing an account that is also created at installation breaks installation
[22:45] <mvn071> ati source driver breaks installation ( hang at boot)
[22:46] <mvn071> is better to make tickets of these?
[23:19] <mrand> mvn071: yes, better to make separate tickets if one doesn't already exist that describes your problem very closely.  ubuntu-bug <package name> is the preferred method of reporting.
[23:37] <mvn071> mrand: thanks i will work on it towmorrow