[16:57] <olive> hello
[16:58] <olive> any idea where I can find an high definition of the wallpaper
[16:58] <olive> (I mean, the PSD, or bigger jpg)
[16:59] <olive> please ?


[03:44] <R1cochet> is there a way to grab a git repo if `git clone` command is unable to connect?
[05:27] <Rakko> Where does Xubuntu keep the list of sessions you can select in gdm?
[05:30] <Rakko> And what is the command line used for the "Xubuntu session"? It seems to be different from xfce4-session.
[05:48] <Rakko> found it: /usr/share/xsessions
[05:48] <Rakko> and /usr/share/xubuntu/session.sh
[05:49] <Rakko> oh... but that seems to just run xfce4-session again
[06:13] <Rakko> hi
[06:24] <Rakko> I still can't figure out how to run the Xubuntu session without going through gdm... anyone able to help?
[06:24] <Rakko> like from vnc
[06:28] <Rakko> Also, when I log into a session from gdm the screen flashes briefly. I'd like to find out why, and stop that from happening.
[06:46]  * ubuXubu peers thru the dense undebrush into the myserious binary jungle known as ... Xubuntu!
[06:48] <Rakko> hi
[06:48] <Rakko> night
[06:48]  * Rakko ponders . o O ( Ubuzela )
[09:12] <Snakkah> Hello. I was wondering, is there a way to disable journaling on an ext4 filesystem?
[09:14] <TheSheep> I think so, but why?
[09:15] <Snakkah> I've heard it gives a pretty substantial speed boost with things like file transfers.
[09:15] <TheSheep> I don't think so.
[09:16] <Snakkah> And I really don't want to use ext2 since I'm going to be installing an OS to a flash drive, so I figured I could just get the speed of ext4 without the journal.
[09:16] <Snakkah> I mean, ext2 would be the best choice.
[09:16] <Snakkah> But if there's a way to disable the journal...
[09:17] <TheSheep> google is your friend, really
[09:17] <TheSheep> the very first hit looks workable
[17:19] <claes> i have a question concerning xubuntu updates.. when it, as I understand, runs xfc instead of gnome - should I then avoid gnome updates that turns up in the software updater?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> no
[17:20] <claes> okay thx :)
[17:20] <charlie-tca> If you installed Xubuntu, you have some gnome applications in use
[17:24] <Sysi> you won't get updates for non-installed software
[20:11] <Doug_S> I'm completely new to Ubuntu. I installed 10.10 and now am unable to log on from the regular sign on screen, and from the recovery screen. Any ideas?
[20:16] <likemindead> What do you mean, unable?
[20:19] <Doug_S> I cannot log into Ubuntu...I am unable to get into the working area.
[20:20] <Doug_S> I set up a dual boot. WinXP SP3 on one side and Ubuntu 10.10 on the other.
[20:24] <likemindead> Does it make it to a login screen?
[20:26] <Doug_S> Yes. And every time I try to log in, nothing. At the bottom of the screen I see a box that says "USA", and then a pull down menu with other items like "user defined session" and a couple of other things.
[20:38] <likemindead> You click on your username in the center of the screen, enter your password, and nothing?
[20:45] <Doug_S> Yes, the first attempt it hides my password, the second attempt I'm able to see visually my actual password
[21:09] <Doug_S> But I'm still not able to do anything?
[21:10] <Doug_S> I'm thinking about manually reinstalling and pointing at the correct partition.
[21:23] <Doug_S> Does anybody have any idea how to fix this?
[21:34] <Thermi> gn8
[21:42] <JaySeeJC> how do i mount my cd drive?
[21:47] <likemindead> Is it external?
[21:47] <likemindead> !mount
[21:51] <JaySeeJC> i am fine to mount data cds, but if i try to mount audio it saise it's an unknown filesystem
[21:54] <likemindead> Do you have the restricted extras installed?
[21:54] <likemindead> !restricted
[21:56] <moetunes> does your media player find the audio cd ok?
[21:57] <JaySeeJC> rhythm box isn't finding the cd
[21:57] <moetunes> what format is it the cd?
[21:58] <JaySeeJC> it's an audio cd bought from the store
[21:58] <moetunes> k
[21:58] <likemindead> JaySeeJC, do you have the codecs I linked above installed?
[21:59] <JaySeeJC> probably not
[21:59] <likemindead> Ubuntu doesn't play CDs, DVDs, mp3s, etc by default. They are proprietary formats.
[21:59] <likemindead> Just follow that link. It only takes a minute to install them.
[22:04] <JaySeeJC> how do i change where drives mount?
[22:05] <moetunes> the file   /etc/fstab   handles that
[22:05] <moetunes> !fstab
[22:09] <JaySeeJC> what is in the proc folder?
[22:25] <autif1> how do I mount an SD card? It does not show up on the desktop. df also does not show the card as mounted.
[22:26] <moetunes> does it show in   sudo fdisk -l   ?
[22:30] <autif1> nope - all the partitions of the /dev/sda, nothing else
[22:35] <moetunes> that's strange - is there an entry in    dmesg   showing the card has been recognised?
[22:35] <moetunes> should be near the end if the card has just been inserted
[22:39] <autif1> funny - i tried inserting and removing the card many times - one one and just on e of the attempts it worked - showed up perfectly mounted, Thunar launched displayed the files etc
[22:39] <autif1> then the card was unmounted and removed
[22:40] <autif1> now it is not recognized again
[22:40] <moetunes> that sounds like a hardware issue to me - got another card there to test?
[22:41] <moetunes> or another comp to test the card in?
[22:41] <autif1> this is an 8GB card - that would not have anything to do with it?
[22:42] <moetunes> I wouldn't think so
[22:43] <autif1> card is from my camera and works fine there. my laptop is 4 years old though
[22:43] <autif1> will try another card
[22:43] <autif1> i have also not rebooted in 17 days
[22:46] <autif1> mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SD card
[22:47] <moetunes> I don't know what error 84 is - have a look at dmesg in a terminal to see if it gives a clue
[22:51] <autif1> thats the only printed when the card does not show up - I think you are right about the hardware issue - when push the card in very gently - it appears more often than not. Not strictly scientific, but good enough
[22:52] <autif1> thanks!
[22:53] <moetunes> np :)
[23:31] <xubuntu247> hola alguien habla español¡
[23:32] <moetunes> !es
[23:57] <labuser> vnc server setup in xubunto - easy?
[23:57] <labuser> trying to vnc to display :0
[23:58] <labuser> I ran vino-preferences
[23:58] <labuser> and added /usr/lib/vino/vino-server to start config
[23:59] <labuser> ran /usr/lib/vin/vino-server
[23:59] <labuser> real vnc viewer  - Connection refused (10061)


[00:22] <hatch> gary_poster: blog post is up http://fromanegg.com/post/60978144670/juju-gui-0-9-0-released-now-with-ie10-support
[00:23] <gary_poster> awesome hatch, thanks!  the new charm search doesn't suck either, btw, if you are looking for features. :-)
[00:24] <hatch> right I forgot about that oops :) logging in to add that
[00:27] <hatch> updated
[00:28] <hatch> OO boy saucy is fast compared to 12.04
[00:28] <hatch> even in this vm, I wish I could run it on my laptop!
[11:16] <gary_poster> hey frankban__ .  welcome back for two days. :-) I approved expenses.
[11:17] <frankban__> gary_poster: thanks!
[11:18] <frankban> the connection here is not good at all :-/
[11:18] <gary_poster> :-/
[12:26]  * frankban lunches
[12:35] <hatch> morning
[12:35] <rick_h_> morning
[12:51] <hatch> have you guys been following the thread about the new email client?
[12:51] <rick_h_> hatch: somewhat
[12:52] <hatch> I think I have figured out why linux apps are ugly
[12:52] <hatch> :)
[12:52] <rick_h_> lol
[12:52] <hatch> haha
[12:54] <hatch> so I installed saucy - still getting everything up and running......
[12:54] <hatch> but as far as styling goes
[12:54] <hatch> the top bar and the window controls don't match the rest of the UX
[12:54] <bac> hatch: you using vmware?
[12:54] <hatch> parallels
[12:55] <hatch> bac: it pretty much worked 100% out of the box. I just had to install the parallels tools to get 3d acceleration and being able to move the mouse over the window to control it
[12:56] <bac> hatch: are you able to have it start in the display size you want?  mine boots into the highest res which is unusable.  not a big issue since i don't reboot much but it is annoying
[12:56] <hatch> I run it in windowed mode
[12:56] <bac> hatch: i'm using vwmare
[12:56] <bac> oh, ok
[12:57] <hatch> lemme see what it does in fs mode
[12:58] <hatch> it is the highest res but looks proper
[12:59] <hatch> I am not sure what the ppi of my monitor is
[13:01] <gary_poster> bac has super duper high Mac res :-)
[13:02] <gary_poster> rietveld is giving me "error: old chunk mismatch" on my review
[13:02] <hatch> gary_poster: you can try running it again
[13:02] <gary_poster> what can I do to fix it?  repropose?
[13:02] <hatch> sometimes that helps
[13:02] <bac> gary_poster: i've never understood why that happens
[13:02] <gary_poster> ok trying, thanks
[13:03] <hatch> yeah I'm pretty sure my monitor isn't 'retina' 2560x1600@30"
[13:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I've had to ditch it and use a diff branch name before as well. So create a new colo-branch, merge in the old branch, push to a new branch name, repropose
[13:05] <hatch> I'm going to land huw's branch
[13:05] <hatch> it QA's ok
[13:08] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack :-/
[13:08] <gary_poster> hatch, awesome thanks
[13:08] <gary_poster> reproposing did not help
[13:10] <hatch> rick_h_ brought up http://www.reviewboard.org/ not sure if we want to switch but it does look pretty cool :)
[13:10] <rick_h_> hatch: heh, well we don't have the scripts/tools for it, a hosted instance, etc
[13:10] <hatch> we have the technology!!!!
[13:10] <hatch> at least I'd hope we could host an app :P
[13:11] <hatch> although -not- hosting/paying for something is pretty awesome
[13:11] <hatch> even if it does break all the time
[13:11] <hatch> gary_poster: we can just review on lp
[13:12] <gary_poster> hatch, ack thanks.  Trying one more time: I made a change to comments, pushed to lp, and reproposed...
[13:14] <rick_h_> bac: hatch updates here https://codereview.appspot.com/13516044
[13:14] <gary_poster> yay, that worked
[13:14] <rick_h_> hatch: with some comments on the conflictux stuff
[13:17] <hatch> cool i'll take a look in a second
[13:17] <rick_h_> cool, had to sync with trunk and resolve a conflict so pushing up again
[13:18] <hatch> rick_h_: so you don't think that we should add the ability to skip the conflict in databinding? My thoughts were that, because we were parsing the html to add the databinding, it could make sense to also use the html parsing to turn off features...
[13:19] <hatch> re skipconflictus
[13:19] <hatch> ux
[13:19] <rick_h_> hatch: no, databinding's job is to say "Hey, this changed". What you do on that change is someone else's job.
[13:19] <hatch> I don't feel strongly about this
[13:19] <rick_h_> hatch: in this case conflict says if classes/etc get added
[13:19] <hatch> yeah I suppose that's reasonable
[13:19] <rick_h_> hatch: and long term we might want to handle something but not all of the conflictux, so I feel that's up to conflictux to decide
[13:20] <hatch> yeah - it feels like it could be standardized somehow and moving it into the databinding would do that
[13:20] <rick_h_> so just 'don't fire change' seems like breaking twigs with an axe
[13:20] <rick_h_> hatch: I agree that it could use some cleanup. I'd prefer to move the databinding stuff to it's own module and try to see if we could pull apart some of the bits (say...events from databinding that conflict ux could watch for)
[13:20] <rick_h_> but that's not for here/now
[13:20] <rick_h_> sorry, the conflictux stuff to its own module
[13:21] <hatch> yeah....because really I could see use for databinding with no conflict
[13:21] <rick_h_> hatch: 100%
[13:23] <rick_h_> hatch: did your relations tab headings make it in? /me isn't seeing it in a sync'd with trunk
[13:25] <hatch> rick_h_: Huw was working on the styling and I was sure I mentioned to him to add it so I didn't
[13:25] <rick_h_> hatch: ah, gotcha
[13:25] <hatch> either I didn't or he forgot
[13:25] <hatch> :)
[13:26] <hatch> I will throw it in in the unit branch I'm working on now
[13:26] <rick_h_> all good, just was looking around and noticed it
[13:26] <rick_h_> don't have huw's changes yet so we'll see
[13:26] <hatch> oh ok, they should just be in trunk now
[13:48] <rick_h_> gary_poster: review/qa. One bug in there during qa
[13:48] <gary_poster> ack thanks rick_h_ will look soon
[13:52] <hatch> there is a hot air balloon above my house and my docs do not like it in their airspace
[14:04] <rick_h_> have to run up to Sec of State, brb
[14:06] <hatch> is the unit status bar supposed to be very thick now?
[14:07] <bac> gary_poster: are we 1:1 now?
[14:07] <hatch> in the inspector
[14:07] <hatch> it's the same height as the inputs now
[14:07] <gary_poster> bac yeah almost
[14:19] <rick_h_> back
[14:22] <hatch> fwereade_: hey have you had a chance to think about the relation error reporting?
[14:22] <hatch> I'm working on aggregating unit errors and boy would it be nice to not have to do all of this computing on it :D
[14:25] <fwereade_> hatch, ha, not really
[14:25] <fwereade_> hatch, I'm basically as far as I was when we talked
[14:25] <hatch> haha alright - anything I can do to help move it forward?
[14:27] <fwereade_> hatch, well, IIRC, where we were was: setting some relation-and-unit-specific error state on a suitable hook failure, and resetting it when the hook completes properly, is all we really need; and that isn't actually very hard to do
[14:28] <hatch> right, basically now I have a unit agent_state in 'error' and a agent_state_info in 'hook failed: db-relation-changed'
[14:28] <hatch> it would be really nice if there was an additional object with a proper data set in it
[14:29] <hatch> agent_state_data - which could be an object of relevent data
[14:29] <hatch> like - what it's related to, the actual interface name
[14:30] <hatch> right now I am parsing the agent_state_info and then have to do a few queries to our local db to figure out what relation that is
[14:31] <fwereade_> hatch, ok, that basically works for me I think
[14:31] <fwereade_> hatch, I'm not even sure how you'd do that without the relation id available
[14:31] <hatch> can a unit be related to multiple other units on the same interface name?
[14:32] <hatch> could this `hook failed: db-relation-changed` relate to two different services ..... theoretically
[14:32] <fwereade_> if your charm declares a foo relation, you can be in N foo relations with N other services, and in each of those you might be related to M units
[14:32] <hatch> right that's what I thought
[14:32] <fwereade_> hatch, yes it could
[14:32] <fwereade_> hatch, so you need relation id in there
[14:32] <hatch> so there is no way - atm - for me to really determine what the relation is
[14:33] <fwereade_> hatch, correct
[14:33]  * hatch scraps current branch
[14:33] <hatch> :P
[14:33] <fwereade_> hatch, hell, sorry
[14:33] <hatch> haha it's ok
[14:33] <hatch> we can't have everything we want :)
[14:33] <hatch> so is it possible to include the relation id when the hook fails like that?
[14:34] <hatch> I haven't spent much time in core
[14:34] <hatch> possible/logical
[14:34] <fwereade_> hatch, yeah, that info should be available trivially, just a mo
[14:35] <fwereade_> hatch, worker/uniter/modes.go:337
[14:35] <fwereade_> hatch, I would support improving the error message there
[14:36] <fwereade_> hatch, it actually looks like it's just "relation-changed", not even "db-relation-changed"
[14:36] <fwereade_> hatch, but I would be a little reluctant to recommend that anyone depend upon its precise form
[14:36] <hatch> yeah exactly :)
[14:37] <fwereade_> hatch, and would be happier with the ability to add agent-state-data in SetStatus et al
[14:39] <hatch> right that also allows us the ability to modify/expand on that data object as time goes on
[14:39] <hatch> without modifying the api
[14:54] <gary_poster> hey rick_h_, thank you for review and qa.  I can't dupe problem you reported: qa is good for me.  what browser?
[14:54] <rick_h_> gary_poster: chrome
[14:54] <rick_h_> gary_poster: will load it back up and check others
[14:55] <gary_poster> rick_h_, wfm on chrome.  maybe a quick hangout so I can see if you are doing something different than I am doing?
[14:55] <hatch> gary_poster: when you have a second we should have a real quick chat about the relation status stuff
[14:55] <rick_h_> gary_poster: sure thing,
[14:55] <gary_poster> hatch, ack.  have a call in 5, but hopefully will be short
[14:55] <hatch> ok no problem, ping when avail
[14:56] <gary_poster> rick_h_, real fast in https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/919c85491c5ef7fdad3aa7c1cf805253ecec4fd2 ?
[14:57] <gary_poster> tiny.cc/guichat looks dead again  :-/\
[14:58] <rick_h_> booo google
[15:03] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so in poking at it more, it's only once I set the background model to be the same value as the current value from the user
[15:03] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so I think it's something to do with clearing away the conflict marker/hiding the save button
[15:03] <gary_poster> ah! ok thanks will try again when I get off call
[15:03] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr
[15:21] <gary_poster> hatch, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6817b2266c6d0aab3f53875991c2086f7f573f75 ?
[15:21] <hatch> gary_poster: omw
[15:23] <hatch> fwereade_: still around?
[15:24] <hatch> mind joining gary and I in this chat? ^
[15:25] <fwereade_> hatch, yes, more or less
[15:26] <fwereade_> hatch, 2 mins
[15:39] <rick_h_> bac: couple of comments on the ga branch
[15:39] <bac> thanks for the review rick_h.   do you mean just fetch the current ip address and stuff it in there?  i just wanted to mimic the output from charmworld b/c i used it all of the time.
[15:40] <rick_h_> bac: yea, on the server side I didn't know if there's an easy 'whatismyup' it could pull
[15:40] <rick_h_> bac: but that's wishful thinking. Just now it's *wrong* for some use cases, but I understand
[15:40] <rick_h_> bac: the second comment on the conditional though I think would be nice for less error/etc in the console
[15:43] <bac> rick_h_: yeah, getting the ip is easy.  i'll make that change.  it may still be wrong if there are multiple interfaces
[15:43] <rick_h_> bac: k, I think most virtualmachines would have one though? I guess on local devs with wireless/wired it would be off?
[15:44] <bac> jujugui: review of changes to the charm? https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charms/precise/juju-gui/ga-key/+merge/185294
[15:45] <bac> rick_h_: what is the second comment you referred?
[15:45] <rick_h_> bac: while doing a quick QA I wondered if we could just skip the GA loading in dev with a hard coded GA code of devel (vs brad)
[15:45] <bac> rick_h_: on, nm, i see it now
[15:46] <bac> rick_h_: oh, i didn't mean to have 'brad' be included in the diff.  that was a mistake.
[15:46] <bac> rick_h_: since useAnalytics is false, that ga_key can be ''
[15:47] <rick_h_> bac: looking
[15:47]  * bac busted for not reviewing my diff
[15:49] <rick_h_> bac: so I'm confused. why would it not be if (window.ga_id && juju_config.useAnalytics) ?
[15:49] <rick_h_> vs the check being down in window['ga-disable-...?
[15:51] <rick_h_> bac: so down in the bottom where we have the snippet to add the ga script, we could just not add it if useAnalytics is false?
[15:53] <bac> rick_h_: we could probably just get rid of useAnalytics and treat the existence of the key as the sentinel
[15:54] <bac> rick_h_: the old style was from when the key was hard-code and we just wanted to disable it
[15:54] <rick_h_> bac: k, gotcha
[15:58] <gary_poster> guichat call in 2 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6817b2266c6d0aab3f53875991c2086f7f573f75
[16:00] <benji> jujugui ^^
[16:00] <benji> juju-gui, even
[16:00] <gary_poster> thanks :-)
[16:15] <hatch> bcsaller:
[16:15] <hatch> blarg
[16:15] <hatch> branch
[16:15] <hatch> ahhh
[16:15] <bcsaller> yeah
[16:29] <TheMue> gary_poster: ping
[16:30] <gary_poster> Hey TheMue . Thank you for being willing to help us out!
[16:30] <TheMue> gary_poster: sure, i filed a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1224568
[16:30] <_mup_> Bug #1224568: Improve hook error reporting <juju-core:In Progress by themue> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224568>
[16:32] <gary_poster> TheMue, looks good, thank you.  May I add (6) make sure that we can correlate relation error identifiers with AllWatcher relation info?  I think we are using the tag as the AllWatcher relation identifier, in which case your plan sounds like exactly what we need, but I'd like to verify that
[16:33] <gary_poster> hatch, frankban ^^^ in case you have any input
[16:33] <TheMue> gary_poster: yep
[16:33] <hatch> thanks I'll take a look in a bit
[16:33] <hatch> TheMue: what timezone are you in?
[16:35] <gary_poster> Cool, added.
[16:35] <frankban> gary_poster: with (6) it seems a good plan
[16:35] <gary_poster> cool thanks frankban
[16:39] <TheMue> hatch: european
[16:40] <hatch> alright just curious :)
[16:40] <TheMue> hatch: why?
[16:40] <hatch> so I don't send you a message and expect a response this afternoon haha
[16:41] <TheMue> hatch: hehe, yep
[16:42] <hatch> :)
[16:43] <hatch> gary_poster: any specific card you want me to get onto now?
[16:53] <hatch> TheMue: when you land this branch can you link it to the ticket so I can see the diff - I'll need to update our go sandbox to mirror the new format
[16:58] <TheMue> hatch: yes, will do
[16:58] <TheMue> hatch: will be several smaller branches
[16:59] <hatch> alright no problem thanks
[17:13] <benji> new review up: https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/juju-gui/charmworld-api-3/+merge/185325
[17:14] <rick_h_> benji: heading to reitveld?
[17:23] <rick_h_> benji: looked at anyway, thanks for the new tests
[17:27] <gary_poster> hatch, bug 1223864? or move expose from config to destroy section, as (I think?) we discussed
[17:27] <_mup_> Bug #1223864: Conflict dropdown on constraints fields never shows in IE10 <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223864>
[17:28] <hatch> gary_poster: sounds good
[17:36] <gary_poster> hey rick_h_ I still can't dupe the qa issues.  could we hangout one more time and have you walk me through it from the beginning (including loading up the gui)?  The only thing I can see is if you are overwriting existing config values when you change the model, in which case the behavior you describe is correct.
[17:42] <rick_h_> gary_poster: sure thing
[17:42] <gary_poster> rick_h_, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7a006e48281d727daf2a759297722b00e3d9070d
[17:42] <gary_poster> thank you
[17:55] <rick_h_> gary_poster: cool, so then you need a second set of eyeballs right? hatch bcsaller
[17:56] <gary_poster> yeah thanks rick_h_
[17:56] <gary_poster> https://codereview.appspot.com/13340047/
[18:00] <gary_poster> jujugui, could someone give me a second review on that branch above ^^^ ?
[18:00] <bcsaller> checking it now
[18:02] <gary_poster> thanks bcsaller
[18:02] <hatch> sorry didn't notice the pings
[18:04] <bac> rick_h_: on further review, i'm unsure how to get the local ip address in js.
[18:04] <rick_h_> bac: cool, nvm then.
[18:05] <rick_h_> bac: thanks for trying.
[18:10] <bac> rick_h_: +1 on your QA technique.  my script predates the 'deploy' target and i never updated
[18:10] <rick_h_> bac: cool, yea I like how easy it's gotten
[18:13]  * hatch feels left out
[18:13] <hatch> what's this technique?
[18:13] <bac> so last night my fitbit told me i was short on my walking goal a distance about the same as a round-trip to ben & jerry's.
[18:13] <hatch> lol
[18:14] <bac> hatch: just to use 'make deploy' with the charm instead of using a stone-age script
[18:14] <rick_h_> hatch: see https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charms/precise/juju-gui/ga-key/+merge/185294
[18:14] <rick_h_> hatch: I made a comment on the other QA method that I got from frankban's branches
[18:14] <hatch> ohh gotcha
[18:14] <hatch> possibly update the hacking docs with that?
[18:16] <benji> rick_h_: thanks for the review (late reply because I was at lunch)
[18:17] <benji> rick_h_: darn, lbox was waiting on my google credentials this whole time, that's why no rietveld was forthcoming
[18:17] <rick_h_> benji: ah, gotcha.
[18:17] <rick_h_> benji: well cool and thanks for the tests all the same
[18:17] <benji> rick_h_: ooh, thanks for the config catch; I was testing against a local charmworld
[18:18] <rick_h_> benji: yea, do the same all the time (well sometimes)
[18:19] <benji> we probably need a lint step to yell if the config changes, that seems like a common issue
[18:22] <rick_h_> yea, if only a 'are you sure you mean to change this' warning. but fortunately it usually sticks out in review
[18:27] <bac> rick_h_, hatch: should be noted 'make deploy' requires the env be bootstrapped already
[18:27] <rick_h_> bac: ah true. Missed that step in the notes
[18:53] <hatch> rick_h_: where were your zindex rules? I want to make sure I follow them :)
[18:53] <rick_h_> hatch: top of stylesheet.less
[18:53] <hatch> got em thcx
[18:53] <rick_h_> hatch: if you would have thuoght to look in another place let me know, I went with what made more sense to my brain
[18:53] <rick_h_> hatch: but not married to the location
[18:54] <hatch> makes as much sense as any I suppose - we just haven't held docs in code before
[18:54] <hatch> do we have a place for 'dev rules' ?
[18:55] <rick_h_> somewhat, it might go into 'style guide' though that's more actual styule
[18:55] <rick_h_> but partly why I went with the code. I don't always look at the docs when I start going at something
[18:57] <hatch> I never do
[18:57] <hatch> lol
[18:57] <hatch> ok that's not true
[18:57] <rick_h_> heh, you just did
[18:57] <hatch> I am restructuring all of that work you did on the expose button
[18:58] <hatch> :(
[18:58] <rick_h_> ok, running away. Have to prepare for the wife's birthday tomorrow.
[18:58] <hatch> OOoo
[18:58] <rick_h_> hatch: works for me :P
[18:58] <hatch> enjoy!
[18:58] <hatch> haha, it just needs to be moved - nothing you did wrong
[19:10] <hatch> 2H on CSS and markup - now lets go see if IE will ruin my day
[19:12] <hatch> looks like we can keep our IE10 support for another day
[19:12] <hatch> :P
[19:52] <bac> rick_h_: since your review i've pushed a new branch and the old diff is gone.  what did you mean by "#16 double space in there"
[20:05] <hatch> jujugui lf a review and QA (IE, Chrome) https://codereview.appspot.com/13684043/ review notes added
[20:06] <hatch> is there anyone still around with an IE VM?
[20:07] <hatch> I'd like to get this branch landed before EOD so that Huw can merge the styling and markup changes
[20:10] <gary_poster> hatch, I think you can claim the IE qa
[20:10] <hatch> alright I'll accept that :)
[20:12] <gary_poster> hatch, I don't think rick_h_ is around, and I'm becoming very skeptical of the idea of a boolean conflict
[20:12] <gary_poster> hatch, you up for talking it through with me?
[20:12] <hatch> sure thing
[20:12] <gary_poster> thx.  uh...
[20:13] <gary_poster> hatch https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/30b2e694404bf3e9f509dc3a15c182908c780231
[20:18] <jcastro> man, the search autocomplete is pretty awesome
[20:18] <jcastro> I can see now why ale was so adamant about getting it in asap
[20:19] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:19] <gary_poster> thanks jcastro
[20:20] <jcastro> rick_h_: if you've got time before EOD I have some questions as far as what I can get away with offlining with the GUI for saturday
[20:26] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/precise/mongodb-HEAD/
[20:26] <jcastro> this work for anyone?
[20:26] <jcastro> the mongodb guys just reported it to me
[20:30] <jcastro> gary_poster: ^^^
[20:30] <jcastro> sorry but the mongodb community manager has the finger on the tweet button and I need a sane URL
[20:30] <gary_poster> jcastro, https://jujucharms.com/precise/mongodb/
[20:30] <jcastro> huh
[20:30] <jcastro> I tried that
[20:30] <jcastro> ok ...
[20:31]  * jcastro doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth
[20:31] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:31] <jcastro> having laura cz. as our mongo contact = awesome.
[20:32] <gary_poster> heh
[20:32] <gary_poster> but yeah
[20:32] <gary_poster> we now support better URLS, but the apache redirects are now broken :-(
[20:33] <gary_poster> hey sinzui, where/how do I tweak the jujucharms.com apache redirects?
[20:39] <gary_poster> hatch, in return for crushing my dreams and spirit, I mean helping me out to figure out what to do, I'm reviewing and qa'ing your branch. ;-)  code LGTM so far...
[20:39] <hatch> hahaha
[20:39] <hatch> thanks
[20:43] <gary_poster> hatch qa good.  fire when ready
[20:43] <gary_poster> thanks!
[20:43] <hatch> awesome thanks
[20:51]  * sinzui looks
[20:53] <benji> gary_poster: is this what you're looking for? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-jitsu/charms/precise/charmworld/trunk/view/head:/scripts/configure-apache2
[20:57] <hatch> jujugui somehow one of the branches landed today has a jslint error
[20:58] <hatch> hmm it was bac's branch
[20:58] <gary_poster> benji, no, but thank you
[20:58] <gary_poster> hatch, may I have one more call with you?  can't be for long, but need to talk through
[20:58] <hatch> benji: curious as to why your branch didn't go through lbox?
[20:58] <hatch> and brads for that matter
[20:58] <hatch> sure
[20:59] <hatch> calling
[20:59] <gary_poster> hatch don't see you.  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2c5782db2cd9582405c9a6208c501f47f9663063 ?
[21:00] <benji> hatch: mine went through lbox, just not rietveld.  I went to lunch while lbox was asking me for google credentials, so that part timed out and by the time I got back it had already been reviewed in LP.  I then used lbox to land it.
[21:00] <hatch> oh ok
[21:00] <hatch> I'm just trying to figure out why brads didn't get linted before landing
[21:10] <rick_h_> jcastro: what's up?
[21:10] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ruh roh...
[21:11] <jcastro> rick_h_: hey so, there's no interwebs at OLF as you know.
[21:11] <jcastro> but I was thinking ...
[21:11] <rick_h_> jcastro: rgr
[21:11] <jcastro> deploy in the hotel room with everything I need
[21:11] <jcastro> check everything
[21:11] <jcastro> then walk downstairs ... should work?
[21:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: issue is that charmworld needs a bunch of time to ingest a ton of data
[21:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: as that needs to be offline with you in your lxc environment
[21:12] <jcastro> not to live deploy
[21:12] <jcastro> I mean have it running and "laid out"
[21:12] <jcastro> but show example commands
[21:12] <jcastro> and then be like "this is what it looks like"
[21:12] <rick_h_> so not going to touch the browser?
[21:12] <jcastro> right
[21:12] <jcastro> but running ...
[21:13] <rick_h_> if you're careful what you do I guess yea
[21:13] <jcastro> like, the gui doesn't flip out in X secs/minutes if it doesn't hit something right?
[21:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: right
[21:13] <jcastro> rick_h_: ok, so .... screenshots are probably better?
[21:13] <jcastro> I want to show awesome stuff, but not risk showing something broken
[21:13] <rick_h_> so if you can do 4 lxc's I'd think an lxc environment with charmworld, elasticsearch, mongodb, and the gui would be awesome
[21:14] <jcastro> yeah I thought about that
[21:14] <rick_h_> can't we shut down and reboot and get them abck up now?
[21:14] <jcastro> but the thing is that workload is interesting to the people in this channel
[21:14] <jcastro> and no one else, heh
[21:14] <rick_h_> right, but you can stick them off the screen I guess
[21:14] <jcastro> yeah I can reboot, and I know it works, but man, I am too scared
[21:14] <rick_h_> hah, yea. yea. You should be good if you setup on wifi, deploy/etc. and then go offline
[21:15] <jcastro> "don't worry man, reboot your laptop, all 25 cassandra nodes will come up, trust me."
[21:15] <rick_h_> just don't touch anything that'll hit the charmworld, so you might lose icons, no browser, etc.
[21:15] <rick_h_> search, autocomplete, etc
[21:17] <rick_h_> jcastro: but yea, try out what you want to do. Set it up, flip the wifi switch, try it out
[21:17] <rick_h_> if you hit something I can see if I can help work around it for you
[21:27] <hatch> rick_h_:  jcastro we should create a virtual box image that can be used for demos like this
[21:27] <hatch> wouldn't be too much work either I wouldn't think
[21:27] <jcastro> yeah
[21:28] <jcastro> I am debating how much to push the GUIs intent
[21:28] <jcastro> Like, I really want to say "You know what ... Opsworks looks awesome ... run your own, and _fuck that_."
[21:32] <hatch> lol
[21:32] <hatch> any status update on the node charm?
[21:32] <hatch> I'm going to write my own pretty soon
[21:33] <jcastro> waiting to sign the deal with joyent last I heard? m_3 might have a better status
[21:42] <m_3> siik
[21:42] <m_3> hatch: just do it
[21:43] <hatch> ugh trunk is so crazy broken right now
[21:44] <hatch> guess I won't be merging this in tonight
[21:58] <hatch> sounds like a plan
[22:24] <gary_poster> hatch, you can just back out the offending branch if that makes sense
[22:24] <gary_poster> you don't need to be the one who has to fix it
[22:24] <gary_poster> that said...tests were passing for me in my branch when I merged trunk, except for 1, IIRC
[22:25] <hatch> was that after brads google analytics branch?
[22:25] <hatch> sorry I am trying to also get ready to go out for supper atm :)
[22:26] <gary_poster> hatch, np, if it's EoD it's EoD! :-)
[22:27] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:28] <gary_poster> hey huwshimi.  guichat is dead.  I added a video chat link to the calendar.  we can use that
[22:28] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Ah cool. I'll join in a sec
[22:28] <gary_poster> cool
[22:29] <hatch> huwshimi: my branch (https://codereview.appspot.com/13684043/) moves around some markup and css
[22:29] <hatch> so you should keep that in mind if you're doing that sort of stuff today
[22:29] <huwshimi> hatch: No problems, I'll take a look
[22:30] <hatch> I can't land it because of trunk but if you're working in those areas you might want to merge it in
[22:30] <hatch> and now i'm off for real this time
[22:31] <hatch> :)
[22:31] <gary_poster> hatch ttyl
[22:31] <hatch> cya
[23:12] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Can I do anything to help unbreak trunk?
[23:13] <gary_poster> huwshimi, is it blocking you?
[23:13] <huwshimi> gary_poster: It's not, I'm just aware it's getting late over there for you :)
[23:16] <gary_poster> huwshimi, :-) ok thank you.  how about I'll check in with you when I stop.  If I haven't merged my branch (likely) then I'll ask you to do the unbreaking?
[23:16] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Sure!
[23:17] <gary_poster> thank you!


[20:52] <pleia2> knome: have a chance to take a look at the FAQ? would like to get that published soon :)
[20:56] <knome> pleia2, i did, and i didn't have much to add
[20:56] <knome> pleia2, so looks fine for me. just clean it up and publish! :)
[21:00] <pleia2> ok, I'll clean it up soon :)
[21:01] <knome> great


[00:27] <fsgrawdsaf> Hello. Can i install lubuntu on an usb pendrive with dd so that on the first boot, everything is modificable?
[08:49] <dbtmro> hi. I've got a problem. after the latest updates, I can't add a new ppa from terminal. I get a error about the key...
[09:02] <faLUCE> hi. On lubuntu 12.04 I still have the lxpanel bug (crashes randomly and uses 100% cpu)... Is there a way to fix that or at least a workaround?
[14:17] <vinicius_arq> hey
[14:18] <vinicius_arq> i'm using lubuntu... if i use update-manager -d it gives me an update option for ubuntu 12.10, it will install ubuntu 12.10 or lubuntu 12.10?
[14:26] <NUCLEARWINTER> lubuntu 12.10 if you have lubuntu-desktop installed
[14:28] <vinicius_arq> NUCLEARWINTER, yeah i have, that's the best way of upgrading it?
[14:28] <NUCLEARWINTER> probably yes
[14:28] <NUCLEARWINTER> I've used do-release-upgrade
[14:30] <vinicius_arq> oh i see! thank you!
[20:03] <italia> :-(
[20:04] <italia> il disco di avvio di ubuntu non creava problemi nell'installazione, partiva subito
[20:04] <italia> non e cosi con Lubuntu 12.04 :-(
[20:05] <Unit193> !it
[20:05] <wxl> beat me to it


[15:04] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[15:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:04. The chair is matsubara.
[15:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:04] <matsubara> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[15:04] <sinzui> me
[15:04] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[15:04] <allenap> me
[15:04] <matsubara> sorry for being late, I was on my stand up meeting
[15:05] <matsubara> stub, Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, danilo_: Hi
[15:05] <gary_poster> matsubara: hi
[15:05] <danilos> me
[15:05] <bigjools> matsubara: TLs are in a call.... :/
[15:05] <bigjools> noodles775: can you cover me please?
[15:05] <noodles775> bigjools: OK.
[15:05] <matsubara> bigjools, right, by the end of this meeting sinzui will propose a change for the production meeting so it won't clash anymore
[15:05] <bigjools> ta
[15:05] <danilos> bigjools, we've got an agenda item to move the call, so you should be in for at least that
[15:07] <matsubara> ok, so let's move on. Chex, rockstar and stub can join in later
[15:08] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:08] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:08] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[15:08] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[15:08] <matsubara>  * DBA report (stub)
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[15:08] <matsubara>  * Proposed items
[15:08] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[15:08] <matsubara> * Ursinha to send one email to lp list explaining the qa-tags experiment
[15:08] <matsubara> * matsubara to chase someone from code team about bug 480000
[15:08] <matsubara> * matsubara to chase code people about code script failures (create-merge-proposals, branch puller and update branches)
[15:08] <matsubara> * matsubara to ask someone from code about bug 485318
[15:08] <matsubara>     * emailed tim about these
[15:08] <matsubara> * Chex to follow up with thumper about the multiple git import failures on the importd
[15:08] <matsubara> * matsubara to file a bug for OOPS-1420ED1047
[15:08] <matsubara>     * there was a bug filed for this already. Bug 484368
[15:08] <matsubara> * sinzui to investigate failure on the mirror prober (The script 'distributionmirror-prober' didn't run on 'loganberry' between 2009-11-23 06:07:04 and 2009-11-23 12:07:04 (last seen 2009-11-23 04:54:10.444057))
[15:08] <matsubara> * matsubara to ask gary about python2.5 update and get back to losas
[15:08] <matsubara>     * francis emailed the list and gary about this
[15:08] <matsubara> * matsubara to ask stub to contact losas about load increase on wildcherry
[15:08] <matsubara>     * emailed stub about this one
[15:09] <matsubara> I don't recall an email explaining the qa-tags experiment but Ursula did show up a wiki page for me before leaving on vacation
[15:09] <sinzui> matsubara: the script was dealyed, ran fine later. The same thing happened to the PRF. it is running fine
[15:09] <matsubara> danilo_, do you know if that email was done?
[15:09] <matsubara> sinzui, thanks for checking
[15:09] <matsubara> s/done/sent/
[15:11] <matsubara> mthaddon, around?
[15:12] <matsubara> I guess people are too busy with other stuff
[15:12] <matsubara> let's move on
[15:12] <matsubara> [action] * Ursinha to send one email to lp list explaining the qa-tags experiment
[15:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  * Ursinha to send one email to lp list explaining the qa-tags experiment
[15:12] <matsubara> [action] * Chex to follow up with thumper about the multiple git import failures on the importd
[15:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  * Chex to follow up with thumper about the multiple git import failures on the importd
[15:13] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[15:13] <matsubara> danilo_,  is https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1425EA795 and https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1429EB593 related to bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/484368?
[15:14] <matsubara> sinzui, https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1430F2574
[15:14] <matsubara> sinzui, is this registry or foundations?
[15:14] <sinzui> foundations
[15:14] <sinzui> matsubara: high/critical
[15:15] <sinzui> matsubara: This may be caused by the replication delay
[15:15] <matsubara> all right. I'll file a bug for it and ask gary_poster to take a look
[15:15] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to file a high/critical bug for OOPS-1430F2574
[15:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to file a high/critical bug for OOPS-1430F2574
[15:16] <matsubara> rockstar, https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1427EA45 I've seen 4 occurrences of this oops last week, is this a known issue? some bad data? worth a bug?
[15:16] <matsubara> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1426EC1536 shouldn't this one be a NotFound rather than a NotFoundError?
[15:16] <matsubara> I guess I'll have to email tim about those as well
[15:16] <gary_poster> OOPS-1430F2574 : I agree that this is probably replication
[15:16] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to email tim about https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1427EA45 I've seen 4 occurrences of this oops last week, is this a known issue? some bad data? worth a bug?
 https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1426EC1536 shouldn't this one be a NotFound rather than a NotFoundError?
[15:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to email tim about https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1427EA45 I've seen 4 occurrences of this oops last week, is this a known issue? some bad data? worth a bug?
[15:16] <matsubara> damn
[15:17] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to email tim about https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1426EC1536  shouldn't this one be a NotFound rather than a NotFoundError?
[15:17] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to email tim about https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1426EC1536  shouldn't this one be a NotFound rather than a NotFoundError?
[15:18] <matsubara> we have 5 critical bugs, 4 of them fix committed and 1 in progress
[15:18] <matsubara> so all good in that area
[15:19] <matsubara> no script failures since last week (well, only PRF but that's fine per sinzui)
[15:20] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[15:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[15:21] <matsubara> let's move to the next topic as there's no losa around
[15:21] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)
[15:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (stub)
[15:21] <stub> We have had two incidents where appserver requests have sent the load on the main database server over 100 in some sort of a feedback loop we dubbed the DB Death Spiral. We think we tracked down the trigger - the page the load balancers used to detect if Launchpad is up accessed the session database, and our session machinery becomes a bottleneck under load.
[15:22] <stub> What we hope is the immediate fix lands tomorrow - stopping that page from accessing the database. I have plans of offloading the bulk of the session machinery work to memcache so it should stop becoming a bottleneck under load, but that is work for the next cycle or two.
[15:22] <stub> We also managed to have replication issues, because when it rains it pours. Both times where do do with adding a new replica into the cluster.
[15:22] <stub> The first time, it turned out some events where left around that should have been cleared up causing conflicts. So when one of our replicas tried to confirm it had seen an event, it found the confirmation was already there so it aborted.
[15:22] <stub> The second one, today, removing the replica from the cluster hadn't quite succeeded so replication lag on the cluster was increasing. This wasn't noticed or was ignored, and we attempted to re-add the database back into a heavily lagged cluster. This needed recovering. I don't think users where affected today.
[15:23] <stub> And that is all I've typed so far ;)
[15:24] <matsubara> stub, should I expect to see lots of OOPSes in the reports about this replication lag issue?
[15:24] <stub> I've got a bug open to add some more safety belts to our helpers to catch these cases.
[15:24] <stub> matsubara: Hopefully not. I'm not sure though.
[15:25] <matsubara> stub, all right. I'll let you know if spot anything
[15:25] <matsubara> thanks stub
[15:25] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Proposed items
[15:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Proposed items
[15:26] <matsubara> # Move the production meeting one hour later to avoid clash with other meetings (sinzui)
[15:26] <sinzui> please
[15:26] <sinzui> I am in another meeting right now
[15:26] <matsubara> I'm +1 on the change. it'd be actually better for me to have the meeting at 16UTC
[15:26] <matsubara> how about the others?
[15:27] <noodles775> I'm assuming that bigjools is also +1 for the same reason.
[15:27] <matsubara> and danilo too
[15:27] <bigjools> +1
[15:28] <sinzui> +1
[15:28] <stub> That is getting nuts for me, but I can do the report by email just as easily as typing it up here.
[15:28] <matsubara> on the other hand, what do you think about not having this meeting at all anymore? do you think it's useful or the format could be changed? I see lots of people missing this meeting or not paying much attention...
[15:29] <matsubara> stub, your section and the losas section are the ones that interest me the most :-)
[15:29] <matsubara> stub, reports by email are fine by me, not sure about others
[15:30] <stub> I tend to think email would be a better forum rather than playing Chinese whispers.
[15:30] <matsubara> yeah
[15:32] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to talk to TL about not having the LP production meeting anymore or change its format
[15:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to talk to TL about not having the LP production meeting anymore or change its format
[15:32] <matsubara> and for the next one, let's try to have it at 16UTC. I'll email the QA contacts to let everyone know.
[15:33] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to email Qa contacts about next LP prod. meeting at 16UTC
[15:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to email Qa contacts about next LP prod. meeting at 16UTC
[15:33] <stub> At that hour, it will be drunk from a gogo bar :)
[15:33] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to email losas about their weekly report
[15:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to email losas about their weekly report
[15:33] <matsubara> hehe
[15:33] <matsubara> and I think that's all for today
[15:33] <matsubara> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See https://dev.launchpad.net/MeetingAgenda for the logs.
[15:34] <noodles775> Thanks matsubara
[15:34] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[15:34] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:34.


[05:41] <ivan_> heya
[11:40] <PeGaSuS> quite sure that I'm beind dumb probably, but how do I had the Bluetooth thingy to the panel? the one that alows me to turn on/off bluetooth directly from there?
[11:46] <PeGaSuS> found it. I completely forgot about the indicator plugin
[11:50] <nicoz> PeGaSuS blueman-applet?
[16:01] <xu-help88w> How to get intel graphics setting option ?
[16:04] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help88w, afaik there is no intel graphic settings, only nvidia, for intel it's all setup automatically but what's the issue anyways?
[16:06] <xu-help88w> I want to change my contrast settings
[16:07] <diogenes_Vx15> you can run: man intel
[16:07] <diogenes_Vx15> see what options you get there.
[16:14] <xu-help88w> how to edit config file
[16:15] <diogenes_Vx15> first you need to create a config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[16:15] <xu-help88w> then what can I do ?
[16:17] <diogenes_Vx15> more info you can get here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics#Tearing
[16:17] <xu-help88w> thanks
[16:18] <diogenes_Vx15> there you will see the Option "TearFree" "true" the same way you can add any option you like
[17:39] <xu-irc18w> Hi. I'm installing Xubuntu and I have 2 hard drives in my computer. One has a Windows Boot Manager in it but I want to install on the other one. During the installation the options "Erase disk and install" doesn't let me choose what disk, it just assumes it's the one with Windows Boot Manager.
[17:39] <xu-irc18w> I will have to go with "Something else" and find some page on the internet explaining me what partitions to create. Just wanted to give this feedback. Find it weird that option wouldn't let me choose the drive.
[17:40] <arktvrvs> you should file a bug report
[17:50] <xu-irc18w> would that be on ubuntu's launchpad?
[17:51] <arktvrvs> if not they could tell you where
[17:52] <xu-irc18w> ok, I'll do that once I get this thing running :)  thanks


 @TartanSpartan [Three weeks at this point :(], Mine took 9 weeks.
 @TartanSpartan [Three weeks at this point :(], 6-7 weeks here :/
 no i'm not expecting a vollaphone, but a package nevertheless
 Why must you frustrate us, border agencies!
 hear hear!
 mine took a very long time, and it seems germany is very thorough, they open it for inspection
 Wouldn't it more likely be the recipient country's customs to inspect it?
[03:12] <ubptgbot> Ravi Pawar was added by: Ravi Pawar
[12:28] <talmid> would it be possible to integrate sip in the default dialer?
 I know this is going to sound like offtopic but, I did for the project I participate in, a translation in all languages of a special wallpaper, which I now want to share with you too.  They are found in this Google Drive folder, where each of you can download it in your native language: … https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1q5pbfcn
[12:38] <ubptgbot> ZstD6nddy-PwDJ310EjtDbNQb
[13:22] <ubptgbot> saligari was added by: saligari
 Hello everyone! Installed on oneplus3 (had to use twrp to format to ext2 then ext4 for the installer to work) and am slowly finding how things work etc. Surprised by how good it is mostly.
 Only issue is the battery life: within 6 hours in the night it went from 100%
 [Edit] Only issue is the battery life: within 6 hours in the night it went from 100% to 0%. Is there a way to rectify this?
 Or is it dependent on halium and there is nothing to be done about it? Does it use crust for power management like on pinephone or??
 Also, side question, how can i block javascript with morph browser? I'd like to use something like noscript ideally and enable the javascript as needed, but a blanket block is better than allowing all javascript if that isn't doable
 I think it's technically possible to block JavaScript but there's no UI for that yet … but I'm wondering, are there even sites that works without JavaScript nowdays? 😅
 @saligari [Also, side question, how can i block javascript with morph browser? I'd like to …], chromimum flags i think
 oh, maybe easier
 the refrence browser has it
 if you want i ported elements of it over
 @saligari [Only issue is the battery life: within 6 hours in the night it went from 100% to …], that sounds like something is keeping a wakelock, do you have any application running that have a prevent from suspend enabled?
 only the maps scout server for the pure maps, but flinging them closes them right? So no open applications
 I mean this is the only application I have prevented from shutting down
 Hm, maybe I didn't complete the amd64 one
 anyway, here is the qtwebbrowser
 Ah, need to clean that up... I think build files got wrapped up inside
 @saligari [only the maps scout server for the pure maps, but flinging them closes them righ …], yes flinging closes it
 but useful for testing
 @saligari [only the maps scout server for the pure maps, but flinging them closes them righ …], so no open apps?
 No, no open apps for sure. The wifi was on I think, but that shouldn't matter
 also no sim inside, so that's out
 hmm that is odd indeed 🤔
 So it's not a known issue that everyone with a oneplus3 is experiencing?
 it is certainly not a bug on other devices
[13:57] <ubptgbot> Chris Wyatt was added by: Chris Wyatt
 and the devices page doesn't list it as an issue: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/oneplus3/
 @saligari [No, no open apps for sure. The wifi was on I think, but that shouldn't matter], are you using dekko on it? or trying to use anbox?
 @dohbee [are you using dekko on it? or trying to use anbox?], no anbox, have installed dekko, but haven't set it up (I think I saw somewhere that you have to enable sth to keep it from being suspended)
 So I don't think that dekko should be running
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/etp6rhMT.png Also, there is no data on the settings' battery page
 yeah that's weird
 Does anyone know where I can report a bug for Ubuntu Touch on Pinephone?
 uh https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinephone
 [Edit] uh https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues or https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch i think
[16:02] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Hi there is a halum boot image available for my device ( made for postmarket os) how much can i skip in the porting process...
 @Mathew Dennis [Hi there is a halum boot image available for my device ( made for postmarket os) …], Not much. Ubuntu Touch does not use the same kernel config, you basically should start from the beginning. You can use the manifest but in the end it will be differently
[16:04] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Oke
[16:25] <ubptgbot> Franz was added by: Franz
 @Fuseteam [uh https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues or https://gith …], Thanks
[18:10] <ubptgbot> Karra_Akhil_Reddy was added by: Karra_Akhil_Reddy
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Working well on my Volla - an enhancement I think would be nice  would be an option for it to default to the mobile site instead desktop version.
[20:09] <ubptgbot> Maryalice Burton was added by: Maryalice Burton
[21:10] <ubptgbot> <Maryalice Burton> yeeees, crazy day … Binancee open cryptoairdrop!! … https://bit.ly/3k4u9wN
 @TotalSonic [Working well on my Volla - an enhancement I think would be nice  would be an opt …], Yeah that was the old first attempt
 I need to recompile the one where we ported to uuitk components
 @mateosalta [Yeah that was the old first attempt], I think the basic interface of it offers a nice alternative to Morph though.  Does it use the same QtWebEngine?
 Yep, but it is loading the window with qquickview
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[01:48] <dobey> desrt: are you -0500 or -0600?
[01:49] <desrt> -5
[01:49] <dobey> desrt: i think it's ~12-13 hours ahead of us
[05:37] <kabiigon> hi
[05:37] <kabiigon> does anyone know about usb
[05:37] <kabiigon> 3
[12:57] <desrt> hello desktop people
[21:58] <dobey> anyone around and know how to make flash stay fullscreen on one screen while focusing another window on the other screen, with twinview/multihead?
[22:05] <desrt> dobey: you need to make a small patch to src/platform/linux/x11-fullscreen.c and recompile
[22:06] <dobey> patch in what?
[22:06] <desrt> flashplayer, of course
[22:06] <dobey> uh, flash is not open source
[22:07] <desrt> ((that's the joke))
[22:07]  * dobey makes a note that canadians aren't funny


[01:02] <Laney> tumbleweed: yeah, been busy so not had much time to follow up on stuff
[01:02] <Laney> I guess it was supposed to be the UI to /do/ syncs, not to show them though
[01:02] <Laney> that's part of the other UI bug I suppose (about there being some indicatio nat all)
[02:26] <ScottK> broder: syncpackage crashed when I tried.
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53] <ajmitch> morning dholbach :)
[08:54] <geser> good morning dholbach, good afternoon ajmitch :)
[08:55] <ajmitch> about 10pm now, but close enough
[08:55] <ajmitch> how are you geser?
[08:56] <micahg> geser: if you want another timezone :)
[08:56] <geser> I'm fine. How about you?
[08:56] <ajmitch> good, happy now that I've finished work for the year
[08:57] <dholbach> hey geser, hey ajmitch, hi micahg
[08:57] <micahg> hi dholbach
[08:59] <nigelb> hello!
[11:11]  * Laney joins the greetingsfest
[11:12] <TiMiDo> hey Laney
[11:12] <TiMiDo> can someone tell me if my wiki is ok please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/aaronfarias
[11:13] <Laney> 'ok' in what respect?
[11:17] <TiMiDo> for membership ;)
[11:17] <TiMiDo> I'm applying
[11:20] <nigelb> hey Laney!


[19:40] <inetpro> 15/04 00:13:13 <kbmonkey> in fact, I'm not sure why i'm doing it at this hour on a sat, but oh well :D
[19:40] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you mean on a Sunday morning
[19:40] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:47] <superfly> hiya inetpro
[19:47] <inetpro> superfly: heh
[19:47] <inetpro> how goes it this evening?
[19:56] <superfly> inetpro: decent... the usual family things on the go
[19:56] <inetpro> nice


[22:36] <sdhd-sascha> hi, good one !
[22:39] <sdhd-sascha> can anybody give me some hint, what is the best configuration for a 4xPort gigabit nic on usb-c ? currently i use a bond with "balance-rr". Could there be any reason to use a "balance-xor" ?
[22:39] <sdhd-sascha> I'm a little afraid with "xor" on layer-2
[22:40] <sdhd-sascha> My goal is good throughput
[22:41] <sdhd-sascha> Running VMs on a home lan
[22:41] <sdhd-sascha> These VMs mostly running git and building small to big (kernel) projects


[08:19] <froud> African Greetings
[09:55] <froud> when building packages how to I bump up the part of the version number after the - for example 0.1-X
[10:10] <Riddell> froud: edit debian/changelog
[10:10] <Riddell> but your X there is the debian version, we do XubuntuY
[10:12] <froud> sorry Riddle i am new to this stuff, learning quick, so I must change the kubuntu-docs (0.1-0) in changelog to what?
[10:14] <froud> thanks for your patience. I am good with Docbook and admin side of Linux but not with the prgramming side :-)
[10:34] <Riddell> I would make it 0.1-0ubuntu1
[10:34] <Riddell> then 0.1-0ubuntu2 etc
[10:35] <froud> OK, so only bump the end number?
[10:36] <froud> so what is the -0 for?
[10:36] <Riddell> the -0 is debian
[10:36] <Riddell> so keep that at 0
[10:36] <froud> lets say we will have regular builds
[10:36] <Riddell> and either increment the real version number of the ubuntu one
[10:36] <Riddell> or
[10:36] <\sh> mornin gentlemen
[10:37] <froud> should I be doing 0.1-0ubuntu1 then 0.1-1ubuntu1 then 0.1-2ubuntu1
[10:37] <froud> morn
[10:37] <Riddell> noo
[10:37] <\sh> 0.1-0ubuntu2 ;)
[10:38] <froud> ok
[10:38] <Riddell> froud: that's incrementing the debian number, which we don't cos we're not debian
[10:38] <\sh> 0.1-0 <- debian prefix -> ubuntuN <- ubuntu version
[10:38] <froud> Ah ha
[10:38] <froud> I see said the blind man
[10:38] <froud> capish
[10:38] <\sh> froud: if you have a ubuntu version already, go to the debianized source and do a dch -i
[10:39] <\sh> or if u have a debian version with 0.1-0 do something like this: dch -v 0.1-0ubuntu1 -D breezy
[10:40] <froud> I just need to know how to manage the versions for kubuntu docs
[10:40] <froud> I understand now
[10:40] <\sh> export EDITOR=vim
[10:40] <\sh> man dch <- small but good util:)
[10:41] <Riddell> froud: use dch -i  to edit changelog
[10:41] <Riddell> ah, \sh beat me to it
[10:41] <froud> cool
[10:41] <froud> nice toy :-)
[10:41] <\sh> riddell: no :)
[10:42] <\sh> i just learned the debian way, before that, i was just doing vim debian/changelog and try to adjust the changlog format ,-)
[10:46] <froud> he he that dch is cool
[10:46] <froud> thanks
[10:47] <froud> but I must pass dch --check-dirname-level 0
[10:48] <froud> the changlog format 1st line should be
[10:48] <froud> kubuntu-docs (0.1-0ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[10:48] <froud> ?
[10:48] <Riddell> looks good
[10:48] <froud> should the ubuntu1 part be seperate
[10:49] <froud> otherwise how will dch know to increment the number of ubuntu1
[10:49] <froud> I see it can increment the debian number
[10:49] <\sh> froud: dch knows :)
[10:50] <\sh> 0.1-0ubuntu1 --> dch -i ==> 0.1-0ubuntu2
[10:50] <Riddell> dch -i just adds 1 to the last number
[10:50] <froud> ok cool
[10:51] <froud> so dch -i --check-dirname-level 0
[10:51] <froud> wicked
[10:51] <froud> Riddell: how do you suggest we can plan documentation development?
[10:51] <\sh> froud: e.g. your source dir is package-0.1 then do a cd package-0.1 ; dch -i
[10:52] <froud> OK
[10:52] <froud> got it now
[10:52] <froud> that's good because my build scripts prompts for dir number
[10:53] <froud> Riddell: I can now do the kde-systemsettings documentation
[10:53] <froud> Riddell: but its hard to know what else needs doing
[10:54] <froud> Riddell: I would like to create a list of things for contributors. Things they should know
[10:54] <froud> it will help give some direction to our writing. we will know what stays the same and what changes
[10:54] <froud> any suggestions?
[10:55] <Riddell> I need to take at look at it toot sweet and see what needs done
[10:55] <Riddell> can't do that today, anarchists are taking over edinburgh
[10:56] <Riddell> but hopefully tomorrow
[10:56] <froud> he he, sure
[10:56] <froud> perhaps I can maintain a doc for it and add it to lnix.net/froud
[10:58] <froud> considering that we are starting form scratch with kubuntu docs, my primary object is to id what we can do now (not changing) and so leave the stuff that will change to later (with excepton of kde-systemsettings)
[10:58] <froud> that way we will have the bulk work done and can focus on the topical stuff when we have x working again
[10:59] <froud> in the interim ppl will use hoary and do the stuff that stays the same
[10:59] <froud> does that sound workable for you?
[01:06] <uniq> hi guys.
[05:35] <mart> hi
[05:35] <mart> can anyone say which package has /usr/lib/libkateinterfaces.so?
[05:37] <mart> ah, answered in #kubuntu, thx


[01:08] <Deihmos> is there a custom install for the server? the install is 4GB
[01:08] <Deihmos> while debian is just 800MB
[01:10] <sarnold> you could try http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-arm64/current/images/netboot/
[01:10] <sarnold> oh sorry that's arm64
[01:10] <sarnold> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/
[01:12] <Deihmos> the mini iso?
[01:13] <sarnold> yeah, chances are good that'll leave you a system with almost nothing installed. should be tiny.
[01:17] <Deihmos> lol
[01:17] <Deihmos> i am going to try it in vm now
[01:30] <teward> sarnold: rbasak: and anyone else who cares: nginx 1.15.8 now uploaded to the repos.
[01:31] <sarnold> thanks teward :)
[01:34] <teward> yep.  prepping the PPAs for the update too
[01:36] <teward> cc zzlatev_ ^ tomorrow the PPA will have 1.15.8
[01:36] <teward> in case you intend to do updates as well :p
[01:54] <Deihmos> trying to decide between ubuntu server or debian as a plex server
[02:08] <Deihmos> the mini still ended up with 4GB
[02:08] <sarnold> Deihmos: lol
[02:08] <sarnold> thanks for reporting back :)
[02:08] <sarnold> I sure expected it to be 800~1000 megs..
[02:09] <Deihmos> maybe i need to do expert install
[02:09] <sarnold> you can apt-get purge whatever you don't need, of course
[02:23] <zzlatev_> teward: thanx\
[02:35] <teward> sarnold: ubuntu-standard pulls in a lot of stuff ;P
[02:35] <teward> might be where the bloat is coming from
[02:40] <sarnold> nano, ureadahead.. deadweight :)
[02:41] <teward> :P
[02:41] <teward> debian bare is *very* tiny because it includes pretty much nil in it by default
[02:41] <teward> Deihmos: ^
[02:41] <teward> just wanting to make that clear
[02:42] <teward> but 4GB does sound excessive
[02:42] <teward> Deihmos: did you choose anything in the installer or...?
[02:43] <teward> or did you only go for the bare minimjm
[02:43] <Deihmos> 3.5GB
[02:43] <Deihmos> openssh was selected
[02:43] <teward> 4GB usually means you selected other things to install beyond the standard bits.  any GUI?
[02:43] <teward> pretty sure "no" but
[02:43] <Deihmos> nope just openssh
[02:45] <teward> that... doesn't sound right.
[02:45] <teward> *pulls down an ISO and does a VM test*
[02:45] <sarnold> can you pastebin your dpkg -l ?
[02:45] <teward> ^ that
[02:46] <teward> Deihmos: can you also confirm *how* you're determining 3.5GB
[02:46] <Deihmos> df -h
[02:47] <teward> can you include that output as well?
[02:57] <Deihmos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LnQ2oS6x/
[02:58] <sarnold> that looks like a partial list
[02:58] <sarnold> e.g. there's no bash
[02:58] <sarnold> but you probably has bash installed :)
[02:59] <teward> sarnold: 1.5GB with just SSH-server, 1.8GB with OpenSSH + Ubuntu Server standard
[02:59] <teward> so it sounds something else is going on possibly
[02:59] <sarnold> teward: that's way more like it. still a bit bigger than I expected but at least it's not 4gigs :)
[03:00] <teward> sarnold: and there's a 20GB partition in this VM so
[03:00] <sarnold> teward: thanks for giving it a try, it's nice to know I'm no insane, hehe
[03:00] <teward> Deihmos: can you provide the `df -h` output you're seeing as well?
[03:00] <teward> also `dpkg --get-selections`
[03:00] <teward> which should look like what sarnold is expecting to see :p
[03:01] <Deihmos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xWHMf4rf/
[03:02] <Deihmos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gL4uGgye/
[03:03] <Deihmos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Cz9qjjRj/
[03:03] <Deihmos> error
[03:03]  * teward headscratches
[03:04] <teward> that looks like only a partial scrollback copy
[03:04] <Deihmos> what are you referring to ?
[03:05] <sarnold> Deihmos: run dpkg -l | wc -l
[03:05] <sarnold> note how it's a lot more than 60
[03:05] <sarnold> but we're only seeing sixty packages in your pastes..
[03:06] <teward> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6xnnjbXHTP/
[03:06] <teward> should look more like that
[03:06] <sarnold> if copy-and-paste is hard on that machine, install the pastebinit package, and run dpkg -l | pastebinit
[03:06] <teward> ^ that
[03:06] <teward> install pastebinit, then it'll give you links on paste.u.c, and you give us those links
[03:06] <sarnold> teward: hah, I look at that list and immediately think "ethtool probably should be installed"
[03:07] <teward> sarnold: well I stripped away the ubuntu server standard set in this :p
[03:07] <teward> but ethtool is in my install :P
[03:07] <teward> unless you mean their list
[03:09] <cryptodan_mobile> You could pipe it to nc termbin.com 9999 and itll generate a pastebin link
[03:10] <teward> there's a dozen different ways to do it :P
[03:13] <Deihmos> it appears this ssh software i am using have imitations
[03:14] <Deihmos> or just buggy
[03:14] <sarnold> cryptodan_mobile: yeah, very nice when pastebinit isn't available
[05:39] <zzlatev_> teward:
[07:24] <pangolino> Hi, I've got a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.10 on an intel NUC (8i) and have a question about chaning the MTU for the NIC, if this is more of a #ubuntu question feel free to send me there
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> pangolino: are you installing server non-lts on your nuc?
[07:25] <pangolino> I'm just trying to set the MTU to 9000, however via google/stack overflow etc I'm heading deep down a rabbit hole of netplan and networkd
[07:25] <pangolino> yes, non-lts
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> pangolino: for testing or production?
[07:25] <pangolino> better to go with lts and keep life simple?
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> pangolino: the users choice
[07:26] <pangolino> home use, non production - for learning but equally I don't want to be too unstable
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> pangolino: did you upgrade bios firmware to latest, those are important on a nuc
[07:27] <pangolino> yes, latest bios
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> great
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> i run 18.04 on a nuc, but not sure about the mtu myself
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> you got network speed issues or so?
[07:28] <pangolino> default mtu of 1500 makes for slow transfers on the 1gig lan, rest of network runs with an mtu of 9000 so was aiming to keep everything in sync
[07:28] <pangolino> (slow multi-gigabyte transfers)
[07:30] <pangolino> I have netplan and generated networkd configs in pastebin if of interest - stack overflow/google seemed to suggest that the DHCP MTU "UseMTU" could not be configured with netplan, and that was overriding my settings
[07:30] <pangolino> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P6bVFvwJND/
[07:30] <pangolino> I confess I was unaware that DHCP had any influence over mtu so you live, you learn
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> pangolino: can this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1099243/netplan-bond-bridge-mtu-setting-not-being-honored-on-bionic-system
[07:47] <pangolino> lotuspsychje: I think that's one of the ones I've read - I added a match by macaddress but still UseMTU gets set
[07:48] <pangolino> one solution i think is to go for purely static config, remove DHCP from the equation and get on with life
[07:49] <pangolino> I have static leases so it wouldn't be the end of the world but it feels like giving up over something that on the face of it should be pretty easy
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> pangolino: here another guy set 9000 https://ppc64el.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/ubuntu-18-04-netplan/
[08:00] <pangolino> lotuspsychje: that one appears to be for multiple nics, and is going the route of turning of dhcp and statically configuring
[11:28] <azidhaka> there is a proxy, similar to haproxy, but meant for load ballancing VMs, can anyone remind me its name
[11:30] <JanC> pangolino: is there a netplan bug report about DHCP MTU?
[11:33] <JanC> cyphermox might be interested in that
[18:06] <teward> zzlatev_: i wasn't online 13 hours ago - was 1AM sorry
[20:04] <lunaphyte> after upgrading, my serial port is not longer working.  i've collected the following clues so far: http://dpaste.com/2EADK2H.txt
[20:05] <lunaphyte> it seems like there may now be an irq conflict between the serial port uart and the i8042 device, for some reason?
[20:06] <lunaphyte> how can i correct this?
[20:06] <lunaphyte> i've done a bit of research, and tried booting with the i8042.nokbd kernel command line option, but this didn't seem to make a difference
[20:06] <lunaphyte> i'm on 18.10
[20:52] <TJ-> lunaphyte: broken it again!?
[20:54] <lunaphyte> still recovering :)
[20:54] <lunaphyte> although it may be working better
[20:54] <lunaphyte> i've used setserial and now i seem to be able to at least open the port
[20:55] <lunaphyte> and i think it's working right, but haven't validated that yet
[20:55] <lunaphyte> i wonder why it somehow ended up trying to use the same irq as this i8042 device
[20:55] <TJ-> lunaphyte: is this a VM or bare metal?
[20:55] <lunaphyte> and i wonder if i'll have to do something to change this every time it boots
[20:55] <lunaphyte> it's a physical server
[20:55] <lunaphyte> a dell pe1950
[20:56] <TJ-> lunaphyte: are there any options on the kernel command-line (/proc/cmdline) ?
[20:56] <lunaphyte> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-13-generic root=/dev/mapper/vg_1-root ro nomdmonddf nomdmonisw i8042.nokbd
[20:56] <lunaphyte> i'd added i8042.nokbd for troubleshooting
[20:57] <TJ-> lunaphyte: generally, unless the BIOS is misconfigured, the way this usually happens is if the ACPI tables are buggy (which tell the OS where things are)
[20:57] <lunaphyte> nothing physical or bios has changed
[20:58] <lunaphyte> i'd been using the serial port for ages, and it broke now that i've upgraded
[21:00] <TJ-> hmmm, can you show the complete dmesg from boot-time?
[21:01] <TJ-> you've (obviously) got 2 devices sharing an IRQ which generally should be fine if the drivers support sharing
[21:04] <lunaphyte> TJ-: http://dpaste.com/2TSJ12W.txt
[21:06] <TJ-> the error you're seeing in dmesg is because the drivers are not agreeing on the per-CPU flags, here's the code: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T3zGK2gJrZ/
[21:09] <TJ-> the flag is #define IRQF_SHARED     0x00000080  so ttyS0 doesn't want to share but i8042 does
[21:12] <lunaphyte> why do they end up sharing if ttyS0 doesn't want to?
[21:17] <TJ-> You must be causing something to change, because: "[    0.759125] Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 32 ports, IRQ sharing enabled"
[21:19] <lunaphyte> hmm.  i'm not sure what i could have done
[21:24] <TJ-> what do you get from "cat /sys/class/tty/ttyS0/{flags,irq}"
[21:25] <lunaphyte> 0x100000C0
[21:25] <lunaphyte> 0
[21:29] <TJ-> that seems strange, the C0 is 80 | 40 and we seem to have found 80 is IRQF_SHARED. I have not been able to determine what 40 is
[21:31] <lunaphyte> just fyi, right now the irq is "0" [autoirq]
[21:33] <lunaphyte> http://dpaste.com/1ZSTRTC.txt
[21:36] <maddawg2> command line question...  what's a good way to copy a directory from one location to another AND see the progress of that copy?
[21:37] <lunaphyte> rsync?
[21:37] <maddawg2> will rsync display the progress in the shell?
[21:38] <mybalzitch> --progress
[21:38] <lunaphyte> that was the criteria you specified, right?
[21:38] <lunaphyte> "see the progress of that copy"
[21:38] <maddawg2> ah yea i see that switch
[22:42] <zzlatev_> teward: no problem!
[22:42] <zzlatev_> thank you for everything


[02:26] <dipankar> hi lfaraone, dfarning,
[03:06] <dfarning> dipankar, hello
[03:07] <dipankar> dfarning, how was your day?
[03:07] <dfarning> It was good getting ready for my trip. how was yours?
[03:07] <dipankar> mine was good too. except for the erratic power cuts. :(
[03:08] <dipankar> you are going on a trip
[03:08] <dipankar> ?
[03:10] <dfarning> dipankar, I am leaving to spend a month in Paraguay on Monday.
[03:10] <dipankar> dfarning, for some work?
[03:12] <dfarning> dipankar, yes Actiivty Central also has several developers providing service and support for the OLPC deploment in Paraguay we are going to try to expand into Uruguay.
[03:14] <dfarning> dipankar, did you get a chance to talk to kandarp about reading http://producingoss.com/ ?
[03:15] <dipankar> dfarning, no. :( Last night there was a power cut. I was online on IRC till my laptop battery supported.
[03:17] <dipankar> dfarning, it looks like one of those books on "ethics".
[03:18] <dfarning> dipankar, You guys have been working hard hacking and reading dense technical material.  It is time to do something a little lighter:)
[03:19] <dfarning> dipankar, it is less about ethics than open source culture and how to effectly work with open source projects.
[03:20] <dipankar> dfarning, ok. I guess I again judged a book by it's title and Cover.
[03:22] <dfarning> dipankar, I was suggesting now that you are working directly with opensource projects you should take the weekend and read the book.
[03:23] <dipankar> dfarning, that very nice of you. I will definitely go through the book.
[03:24] <dfarning> dipankar, there are some talks by the authors at http://producingoss.com/#presentations .  I you are not in the mood for reading:)  I suggest start with the videos they are pretty funny.
[03:52] <kandarpk> dfarning: hi
[03:54] <dfarning> kandarpk,
[04:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: do you have an idea when will Luke be around ?
[04:01] <kandarpk> Manu sir would like us to work on core packages now
[04:02] <kandarpk> so, needed help on how to proceed
[04:07] <dfarning> kandarpk, luke will be gone tonight traveling.... That is why I suggested that you read producing oss today.
[04:08] <kandarpk> dfarning: that means he'll be there next morning your time ?
[04:11] <dfarning> kandarpk,  Luke does not have scheduled hours on the weekend.  but if he around, he will help.
[04:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok.
[04:37] <dfarning> kandarpk, ping
[04:37] <kandarpk> dfarning: hi
[04:38] <dfarning> I have most of the documentation buildsystem set up.
[04:38] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok, mail it to me.
[04:39] <dfarning> kandarpk,   it is on sunjammer  in srv/www-sugar/apimaster  all I have left is setting up the permissions.
[04:41] <dfarning> kandarpk, ok
[04:44] <kandarpk> dfarning: I've some idea of packaging core activities.
[04:44] <kandarpk> trying to see if that works.
[04:44] <kandarpk> for sugar-0.89
[04:47] <dfarning> kandarpk, very cool.  Hacking _is_ the best way to learn:)
[04:47] <kandarpk> dfarning: the rules file maintained by Jonas for sugar has more than just sugar listed in it
[04:48] <dfarning> kandarpk, can you point me to the git repo of jonas' package?
[04:49] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/464813/
[04:49] <kandarpk> dfarning: ^^ rules file
[04:50] <kandarpk> dfarning: oops, not rules, it was control.in
[04:51] <kandarpk> dfarning: git repo : http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar.git;a=summary
[04:51] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes this is a common situation.  this source package make several different binary packages.
[04:52] <kandarpk> dfarning: I understand that slightly
[04:53] <kandarpk> dfarning: but when I package, will I too need to make all the packages ?
[04:53] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes when you run the build scripts it will make all to the binary packages for you.
[04:54] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok, it seems complicated ( as you said )
[04:54] <dfarning> kandarpk, in this case, you would be updating the .88 package to .89 so 99% of the packaging would be the same.
[04:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll try hit and trial.
[04:56] <dfarning> kandarpk, so it is mostly a case of pointing at the new upstream tar ball, changing version numbers,  modifing the patch series as necssart and testing.
[04:56] <kandarpk> dfarning: +1
[04:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: was just thinking of doing the same.
[04:59] <dfarning> kandarpk, now that you know the fundemantals of packaging you should be able to figure out (or google for) any errors you get.  Hacking probobly the best approach to developering skill and proeciency.
[05:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: with Luke not being around, I've enough time to hack and try make it work :)
[05:06] <kandarpk> *I'll be back in 10min
[05:27] <kandarpk> dfarning: around ?
[11:58] <neeraj> lfaraone: ping
[12:30] <neeraj> dfarning: Good Morning :)
[12:30] <dfarning> neeraj, good morning how are you?
[12:30] <neeraj> I have tested write and record on various version of sugar-emulator
[12:30] <neeraj> dfarning: Good..
[12:31] <dfarning> neeraj, what did you learn?
[12:31] <neeraj> dfarning: how are you feeling this morning?
[12:32] <neeraj> dfarning: I have not stated anything new.. I mean I have tested those packages.. write was not working on sugar-emulator-0.84
[12:32] <neeraj> I have updated it on wiki and waiting for lfaraone to review it..
[12:32] <dfarning> neeraj, I feel ready to work:)
[12:33] <dfarning> neeraj, great
[12:34] <neeraj> Also I went through the logs between 10-17 and I tried to note down all points related to packaging
[12:35] <neeraj> I will share it will all members and ask them to add those points which I have forgotten and the problems which they faced while building packages using GIT
[12:35] <dfarning> wow!
[12:36] <neeraj> dfarning: I am not yet finished with it.. I will add points from lfaraone reviews to packages which he posted on olpc-list. I hope that will help new members :)
[12:37] <dfarning> neeraj, I'm sure it will.
[12:39] <dfarning> neeraj, it sounds like you have enough work to keep you busy for a while.
[12:41] <neeraj> dfarning: actually i got a little bored with docu.. If you have some thing on which I can work or learn something then I am up for otherwise I will continue documentation task after half and hr :)
[12:41] <neeraj> s/up for/up for it
[12:45] <dfarning> I would suggest that you read http://producingoss.com/ . It is an interesting book about how to work effectivily with open source projects.
[12:46] <neeraj> dfarning: ok..
[13:56] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning :)
[13:57] <dfarning> good morning, how are you?
[14:00] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am doing good
[14:01] <dfarning> kandarpk,  I am finishing up the documentation build system.
[14:02] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok.
[14:02] <dfarning> kandarpk, need to transfer conf.py and *.rst as part of the script.
[14:03] <kandarpk> dfarning: hmmm.
[14:16] <dfarning> kandarpk, did you modify anything on apimaster?  It worked for me last night, but not this morning:(
[14:16] <kandarpk> dfarning: nope, I didn't even log in
[14:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, ok, Bernie was working on some build machines....
[14:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok.
[14:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: the script is to automate the HTML generation ?
[14:20] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, it, runs sugar-jhbuild to update to the latest code, runs epydoc, and runs spyinx-build.
[14:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: is it possible that new files get added to sugar ?
[14:21] <kandarpk> dfarning: because their HTML wont get generated if they are not mentioned in .rst files
[14:23] <dfarning> kandarpk,  yes, that is the part I am working on now. there is a dir in apimaster called sphinxstub where you can modify the .rst files.
[14:23] <kandarpk> dfarning: modify manually ?
[14:24] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes
[14:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok
[19:55] <neeraj> kandarpk: around?
[19:56] <kandarpk> op_amp, hi
[19:58] <op_amp> kandarpk: hi are you doing anything related to packaging>
[19:58] <kandarpk> op_amp: no, why ?
[19:59] <op_amp> kandarpk: just asking if there is something on which I can work now..
[20:00] <kandarpk> op_amp: what have you been involved in recently ?
[20:01] <op_amp> kandarpk: as u knw last night I was finishing renaming task for ubuntu-bugs
[20:02] <op_amp> today I just finished testing of write and record activity and prepared the git document which i shared with u.
[20:03] <kandarpk> op_amp: involved in studying networking ?
[20:04] <op_amp> kandarpk: ohh.. yeah manu sir did send us the link for studying that part..
[20:04] <op_amp> kandarpk: are you also studying networking?
[20:04] <kandarpk> op_amp: yeah.
[20:05] <kandarpk> op_amp: actually I find it one of the most innovative parts of Sugar
[20:05] <kandarpk> op_amp: but a bit tough to cover.
[20:06] <kandarpk> op_amp: anyway, you can read about open source development at :
[20:06] <kandarpk> http://producingoss.com/
[20:06] <op_amp> kandarpk: i was reading it..
[20:07] <kandarpk> op_amp: thats good to know :)
[20:07] <op_amp> kandarpk: but didn't felt like reading full book. I will keep reading it in my free time.
[20:07] <kandarpk> op_amp: same here
[20:08] <op_amp> kandarpk: ok i will also start networking then..Can you give a tutorial for level 0 person in networking knowledge?
[20:10] <kandarpk> op_amp: the links provided by Manu sir yesterday and a day before are quite good
[20:10] <kandarpk> op_amp: very basic and covers quite a lot
[20:10] <op_amp> kandarpk: ok then I will start from there :)
[20:28] <kandarpk> op_amp: good night.
[20:28] <op_amp> kandarpk: good night


[01:02] <studio-user745> hi all
[01:03] <Sisyphos> is skype fully working in x64 ubuntustudio? witk jack?
[03:43] <cem_> hi guys, many thanx for the ubuntu studio
[03:43] <holstein> cheers
[03:43] <cem_> i have a small problem
[03:43] <cem_> that i cant use skype
[03:43] <holstein> !skype
[03:44] <cem_> im here cuz im using external usb sound card 8i6
[03:44] <holstein> cem_: i use it from the skype site
[03:44] <cem_> it wasnt work with ubuntu until the latest jack update
[03:44] <holstein> cem_: just dont use it with JACK
[03:44] <cem_> from website?
[03:45] <holstein> cem_: from the skype website
[03:46] <Unit193> !info skype partner
[03:47] <holstein> cem_: dont use JACK,just route with pavucontrol, and it'll work fine
[03:48] <cem_> its good advise, cuz otherwise i may have to write a code
[03:48] <cem_> i still cant find website, im searching like webmessenger kinda thing
[03:49] <cem_> is it correct?
[03:49] <holstein> cem_: try it with the one you have in pavucontrol, and not using JACK
[03:49] <holstein> cem_: otherwise, i use the one from the actual skype site
[03:49] <cem_> there is a skype that i dont have to install and i can use it on website
[03:49] <cem_> but i couldnt find
[03:50] <cem_> im looking pavucontrol
[03:50] <holstein> http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/
[03:50] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[03:50] <cem_> yep i know pavucontrol, the problem is in pavu control i can see only jack sink
[03:51] <holstein> cem_: stop JACK.. dont start it.. and make sure that JACK is not running
[03:51] <cem_> cuz system isnt compatible or cant recognize my focusrite scarlett 8i6
[03:51] <holstein> cem_: its the firewire one?
[03:51] <cem_> instead, it shows nvidia hdmi's
[03:51] <cem_> nope usb 2.0
[03:52] <holstein> cem_: then, you will be able to use it without JACK
[03:52] <cem_> i will give a try
[03:52] <holstein> cem_: you will be able to route with pavucontrol... i do it with a lexicon omega like that
[03:53] <holstein> cem_: you will use pavucontrol to route.. you get skype running first, then it'll show up
[03:54] <cem_> im an idiot
[03:54] <cem_> it works thank you wery much
[03:54] <holstein> cem_: no worries.. cheers!
[03:54] <cem_> i didnt route anything just quit jack and i saw my sound card skype preferences
[03:55] <holstein> you should be able to mess about and get it working with JACK, though, i didnt need that funcionality personally
[03:55] <cem_> btw, guys im composer, conducter its my education besides that i know a bit c
[03:55] <cem_> and now im learning assembly just for fun
[03:56] <holstein> thats great!
[03:57] <cem_> do you think i can start and learn how to write a programs about sound proccesing?
[03:58] <cem_> if its not that hard where to start?
[03:58] <holstein> cem_: sure.. but why? for what task? you might want to just choose one thats already going and contribute
[03:58] <holstein> or, contribute to something like ubuntustudio to learn
[03:58] <holstein> !contribute
[03:59] <cem_> can i? but i have to learn first i think?
[04:00] <holstein> !motu
[04:00] <cem_> i have just applied
[04:01] <holstein> lots of bugs too that might get coding involved
[04:01] <holstein> !bug
[04:03] <cem_> so, wait a minute, if i have some errors, in message box there is a send report button
[04:04] <cem_> ah u mean in codes. im just a starter. its not my profession to code but i wanna learn
[04:04] <holstein> its not mine either
[04:04] <holstein> im not a code contributing volunteer
[04:06] <cem_> got it, i had an idea to write a program about piano education, when i see linux enviroment i found a program that named piano booster . i had an idea like that
[04:07] <holstein> its likely open, so you can always use it, and fork it, or whatever.. or, just ask and get involved with that project and help make it better fit your needs, or just better in general
[04:08] <cem_> well it sounds good.  i can.
[04:08] <cem_> thanks again guys, hope to see  u again
[04:09] <holstein> cem_: o/
[06:44] <stochastic> Is there any way to install Ubuntu Studio on a machine that only has a CD drive but no DVD drive?
[06:44] <stochastic> or do I have to install Ubuntu via some method and then upgrade to Ubuntu Studio?
[06:45] <cfhowlett> stochastic, cd's are limited to 700 mb, the iso is currently ... more.
[06:45] <stochastic> much more
[06:45] <stochastic> is there no live CD that pulls from the net?
[06:45] <cfhowlett> stochastic, if you HAD to you could try to build from mini iso or install xubuntu then add US.  I THINK xubuntu is smaller than 700 MB
[06:46] <cfhowlett> stochastic, mini pulls from the net ...
[06:47] <cfhowlett> stochastic, the torrent reads at 710 MB
[06:49] <stochastic> cfhowlett, okay, well I do prefer gnome, so I'll build from ubuntu and add the extra packages - I won't be missing any key features will I?
[06:50] <stochastic> that is, if I build from mini Ubuntu rather than xubuntu?
[06:58] <cfhowlett> stochastic, packages?  no, but i've never done the mini build.  I'm guessing it's mini + xubuntu-desktop + US packages ...
[06:59] <cfhowlett> but if you prefer gnome, how big is ubuntu-gnome these days?
[07:08] <stochastic> ubuntu-gnome is over 800mb
[07:09] <stochastic> it's actually quite annoying, most of the ubuntu flavours are now over 800mb
[07:10] <Unit193> Can't USB boot?
[07:10] <Unit193> !info ubuntustudio-desktop
[07:18] <stochastic> well Unit193, the computer doesn't have a USB on the motherboard, just through a pci expansion slot, so no.  can't usb boot.
[07:19] <Unit193> Ah, so I guess http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ may not work then.
[07:21] <stochastic> ^^ wasn't aware of that.  That may just save me from starting from Ubuntu-server edition.
[08:44] <studio-user643> I got here from the weblink of the ubuntu install cd setup screen.  It connected to this channel from a webpage (Freenode.net)  What is the irc server name if I want to come back for a visit with an actual irc client?
[08:50] <studio-user643> for example with undernet.org #ubuntustudio get me back here from irc?
[17:14] <shaun> Just installed ubuntu studio 13.10 on dell laptop from downloaded iso image burned to cd and verified.  Touchpad does not work
[17:15] <shaun> Can anyone help get my touchpad working?  It's a Dell M5040
[17:43] <Iota-Spencer> how old is the laptop
[18:09] <shaun> Iota-Spencer> About a year old
[18:09] <shaun> No wait, it's two years old
[18:13] <Iota-Spencer> huh, I got this one in 2010 and ubuntu studio runs fine, the only thing is my sigmatel + the pulseaudio doesn't indicate right
[18:18] <shaun> Most linux disto's the sound does not configure properly and I am SOL when that happens because I can't ever find good specific info to fix hardware that doesn't work in linux.
[18:20] <shaun> My Graphics tablet (Wacom Bamboo) was plugged in during install which I figured would be good to do.  But maybe that's why it didn't recognize the touch pad because I also have a wireless mouse and keyboard.  That's a total of 2 pointing devices and one touchpad lol.
[22:58] <Dermhye> HI
[22:58] <Dermhye> I need urgent help...
[22:58] <Dermhye> I want to dual boot ubuntu studio alongside windows 7
[22:59] <Dermhye> I tried shrinking my volume to create a partition for Ubuntu
[22:59] <Dermhye> I only had 6.84gb available for the partition.
[23:00] <Dermhye> Now my question is will Ubuntu Studio run well with just 6.84 gb space. I will use files from my HDD?
[23:07] <Dermhye> Now my question is will Ubuntu Studio run well with just 6.84 gb space. I will use files from my HDD?
[23:10] <Dermhye> I was only able to shrink 6.84gb space from my HDD, will that space be enough to run ubuntu studio? Now my question is will Ubuntu Studio run well with just 6.84 gb space. I will use files from my HDD?
[23:18] <cem_> hi all
[23:19] <cem_> i wanna talk with sombody whose studying or working at music school and use musescore


[02:24] <h00k> Greetings from #ubuntu-us-wi
[04:09] <kermit> i recently dawned on me that describing locations based on their governing body may be in conflict with the interests of the describer
[04:10] <kermit> like these local ubuntu channels
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> That sentence made little sense.
[04:34] <kermit> i/it
[04:35] <sparklehistory> Still doesn't really make sense to me.
[04:38] <_diablo> ugh. I'm sorry for you h00k
[04:39] <_diablo> kermit: yup. that's true.
[04:39] <h00k> _diablo: regarding?
[04:39] <h00k> _diablo: living in WI?
[04:41] <_diablo> h00k: yeeeah
[04:41] <_diablo> lol
[04:41] <h00k> _diablo: hey, man, Wisconsin is a cool place and doesn't afraid of anything
[04:42] <_diablo> h00k: ahhhh, a fellow b-tard. I like it :)
[04:42] <h00k> ionno what you're talking about...
[04:42] <_diablo> s/b-tard/\/b\/tard/
[04:45] <h00k> well done
[04:49] <kermit> i was just wondering why regional ubuntu groups are segregated along governmental districts
[04:51] <_diablo> kermit: because it's easier to organize in regions.
[04:52] <kermit> 'upper midwest' or 'minneapolis' is a region. "US" and "minnesota" are governmental districts
[04:53] <kermit> i was wondering if the subtle hat tip to the local governments was intentional
[04:55] <kermit> though the US is pretty stable, in some areas the local governing body changes borders and names rather often, so there's extra overhead for what benefit i don't know
[05:02] <_diablo> kermit: do other countries even have subdivisions? I thought it was only the US
[05:06] <kermit> _diablo: how should i know, i'm american
[05:07] <_diablo> kermit: I think I remember reading about that
[05:10] <kermit> its just like with country TLDs, many have dissapeared.. i'd hate to have had a website under them.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tld#Historical_domains
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> Would you prefer we be Ubuntu-89W-through-93W-and-43N-through-49N?
[05:14] <kermit> hehe, i would, but i can see how i'd be in the minority there
[05:14] <kermit> upper midwest would be better
[05:15] <sparklehistory> Minneapolis is also a governmental district, btw
[05:15] <kermit> oh
[05:15] <kermit> i wasnt totally sure on that one
[06:05] <_diablo> kermit: city gov't
[06:07] <kermit> _diablo: i'm not 100% clear but it seems like it existed before it incorporated
[06:08] <_diablo> kermit: gov'ts do not incorporate
[06:08] <_diablo> city charter made it a government
[06:08] <_diablo> mexico existed before they had a constitution, doesn't change the fact that they're a nation
[06:09] <kermit> i mean, i think the area was called minneapolis before it was a governed independantly
[06:10] <kermit> but i'm not sure
[06:41] <_diablo> kermit: of course it was. see my mexico analysis above
[06:55] <kermit> i have that feeling of disagreement yet i dont think we're disagreeing on anything
[07:00] <_diablo> agreed :)
[07:00] <tonyyarusso> DISAGREED!
[07:01] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: let's step outside.
[07:01] <kermit> let's settle this with a race! http://play.typeracer.com/
[07:02] <kermit> er http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trkermit4
[07:03]  * tonyyarusso just spent the last two hours typing political stuffs - needs rest
[07:04] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: What sort of political stuffs?
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: SQL queries and a crapton of e-mails.
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> (We're trying to coordinate a fundraising e-mail ASAP)
[22:26] <_diablo> anyone here have any tips on using irssi?
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: uh, always run it in screen?  What sort of tips?


 @KMyers ever watch TechRax?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DwDh_8Q1WM
 I really need to know how an iPhone will react if an aligator eats it. It's highly scientiffic and does not have anything to do with my wish to watch iPhones destroyed.
 @ahoneybun That's cool.  I see it was built today.  I don't see the patchlevel.  that is more important than build date.
 Dec 5
 could be built today, but the patchlevel might be from last year.
 ok.
 This is TugaPower N
 that's what I'm running on my Pixel as well.
 Rebased on Lineage OS now
 @AdamOutler, I used to but lately his stuff has gotten boring for me
 I had a long morning.   Why did you drill through it?
 @ahoneybun, Dont worry, I did not go insane. I just upgraded the hotend to something that is much better than the stock hotend
 See how it is a bit bigger than the old one (the old is on the left)
 The installation steps are pretty involved. Completely take apart the printer, drill 2 holes, re-do all of the wiring to the extruder/hotend, re-assemble, clone the git repository for the firmware, modify the firmware, compile the firmware, re-flash the arduino, sleep, do a test print
 Now that is a sexy Hotend
 @ahoneybun, Happy belated Birthday, hope you have many more 😉
 Thanks @itnet7