[00:36] <adam_g> hallyn: around?
[00:37] <twb> Sigh.  So I backported xtables-addons from natty to lucid, so I would have a DKMSized version.  This installed PERFECTLY on the local test machine.
[00:37] <twb> I send my boy out to the airgapped prison, and it's reporting "I need kernel sources", despite not needing them here (only the headers)
[00:38] <twb> With any luck he is now sneakernetting the dkms build output & similar diagnostics to somewhere that can get to me.
[00:40] <Patrickdk> hmm?
[00:40] <Patrickdk> why didn't you send him the compiled package?
[00:44] <SpamapS> Patrickdk: too easy ;)
[00:44] <twb> Uh, because when the kernel gets a minor update, the .kos will need to be recompiled
[00:45] <twb> e.g. 2.6.32-33 to 2.6.32-34
[00:45] <SpamapS> dkms always builds though so I don't think this is a "just send him the binary" issue
[00:45] <twb> I did send him the xtables-addons-dkms .deb, of course
[00:45] <Patrickdk> ya, dkms is nice for auto-upgrades
[00:45] <twb> That was the whole point of using dkms instead of m-a
[00:45] <Patrickdk> but I build my dkms on a build machine, and push them out
[00:45] <twb> Patrickdk: I suppose I would've done that if I had anticipated this not working
[00:46] <Patrickdk> 33 to 34? you living life like 3 months ago?
[00:46] <Patrickdk> we are on -40 :)
[00:46] <twb> Patrickdk: whatever, I made thhose numebrs up
[00:47]  * Patrickdk is pissed at his isp
[00:47] <Patrickdk> their providers provider is broken
[00:47] <Patrickdk> and they *dunno* how to work around the issue
[00:47] <Patrickdk> yay for 1000ms latency
[00:59] <hallyn> adam_g: half
[01:01] <twb> at least your site is on the internet
[01:01] <twb> stupid airgap
[01:02] <adam_g> hallyn: do you know of any circumstances where libvirt would take the liberty of setting a domain to 'paused'?
[01:02] <hallyn> (thinking)
[01:03] <hallyn> i don't.  it'd be neat if it did that based on host load :)
[01:03] <adam_g> seems to be related to load, but trying to determine if its libvirt or nova thats pausing
[01:03] <hallyn> interesting
[01:03] <hallyn> i haven't heard of such a thing
[01:03] <adam_g> ok, ill look closer at nova in that case, thanks
[01:04] <hallyn> i'd look at nova
[01:04] <hallyn> yeah
[01:04] <hallyn> np - ttyl
[01:04] <adam_g> night
[01:57] <Rallias> Since my installation of nginx is no longer tasked with listening on a port below 1024, how do I set it so it never is root when it starts up?
[02:01] <twb> How is it started presently?  sysvinit or upstart?
[02:10] <aarossig> Question regarding my network.. I just did a hardware refresh and upgraded to 11.10 Server. While copying on my gigabit network, the network transfer will stop for periods of time and then start back up. Using sshfs, the cpu will go down to 0 for ~10 or 20s and then the transfer resumes. Any ideas?
[02:10] <twb> aarossig: you... aren't the guy who wants me to configure his UPS, are you?
[02:10] <aarossig> am I?
[02:11] <twb> Dunno, his name was Andrew Rossi
[02:11] <twb> of Designer Networks
[02:11] <aarossig> twb: I don't think so, I am capable of configuring my own UPS (as well as those of my clients)
[02:11] <aarossig> ah, no I don't own a business
[02:11] <twb> OK, no worries :-)
[02:11] <aarossig> :P
[02:11] <aarossig> so do you happen to have any suggestions for my situation?
[02:12] <twb> Well I would definitely encourage you to go 12.04 not 11.10, since 12.04 is LTS
[02:12] <aarossig> this happpens on both sshfs and samba, but with samba it is much more catastrophic and the transfer actually itimes out
[02:12] <aarossig> twb: yeah, I plan to do a dist upgrade to it
[02:12] <twb> Not sure about your issue; could be I/O or something
[02:13] <aarossig> moral of the story.. I can't wait anymore. I've been putting up with old packages and ppas with 10.04 for far too long
[02:13] <twb> dump ps auxf to a file every second or so and diff them around the time an issue occurs, looking for D state procs, or watch "iostat 5"
[02:13] <aarossig> thanks, i'll look into it
[02:13] <twb> if you're copying with e.g. scp, it could be the buffering when it actually hits the disk
[02:14] <aarossig> I believe it is something IO related, I am running 8 hard drives and some are on the PCI/PCI-e busses.
[02:14] <twb> so e.g. you do "scp example.com:foo.img ." and it will block when it runs out of buffer writing to the local disk
[02:14] <aarossig> yeah, that sounds accurate. I will try
[02:14] <twb> aarossig: 8 HDDs in what array, RAID6?
[02:14] <aarossig> it is actually several RAID1 arrays
[02:14] <aarossig> one for root, one for home, and then several for data
[02:15] <twb> Track down which ones have the data in question, watch their iostats
[02:15] <aarossig> okay, thanks for the suggestions
[02:15] <aarossig> i'll give it a shot
[02:15] <twb> Also look at the flush stuff in /proc see if its interval corresponds to your blocking interval
[02:15] <twb> e.g. if your ext4 filesystem is set to flush every five minutes and you see issues every five minute
[02:16] <aarossig> the frequency is much higher, but I see your point
[02:19] <aarossig> twb: yeah, iostat shows fairly constant writing
[02:19] <aarossig> you're probably right about the caching, it might be filling up the caches and then flushes them to the disk, rinses and repeats.
[02:19] <twb> I hear there is also iotop; I haven't tried it
[02:19] <aarossig> i was using iotop
[02:20] <aarossig> iostat is more device lebel
[02:20] <aarossig> level*
[02:20] <twb> The other thing to read up on is "write amplification"
[02:20] <aarossig> iotop is process level
[02:22] <tarvid> boot setup temperature dropped from 76 C to 36 C after installing a new Corsair A50 fan, how would I go about monitoring remotely?
[02:23] <twb> tarvid: how are you measuring it now?
[02:23] <tarvid> the setup screen reports tempereature
[02:23] <tarvid> BIOS
[02:24] <twb> OK
[02:24] <twb> The raw data is in /sys somewhere; there is a package that tries to understand how to interpret it...
[02:24] <twb> Can't remember the name
[02:25] <tarvid> /proc/acpi/... on some boxes, not this one
[02:25] <twb> lm-sensors
[02:26] <tarvid> installed but hard disk is the only it reports
[02:26] <twb> You probably have to rice it up
[02:26] <twb> IME it's a pain and usually not worth the hassle
[02:27] <tarvid> This box was a gift from the local library - free as in free cats
[02:27] <aarossig> because the library doesn't serve beer.
[02:27] <twb> I hope they don't serve cats either
[02:27] <tarvid> alas
[02:27] <tarvid> they have one
[02:28] <aarossig> twb: I ended up here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/427210, rather interesting stuff. Thanks for the general direction pointing.
[02:28] <tarvid> !lm-sensors
[02:28] <twb> aarossig: you have a server, CFQ is probably best for your case IIRC, but feel free to experiment
[02:29] <aarossig> deadline seems to have improved it slightly, the network transfer seems to be more continuous
[02:29] <aarossig> I will be doing some more debugging
[02:29] <twb> aarossig: at least in my case, the problem wasn't the scheduler, it was that I was doing so damn much I/O.  Which was mostly due to RRDs (collectd) plus a lot of write amplification.
[02:29] <twb> I fixed it by telling collectd to STFU and buffer an hour of writes and flush them all at once, instead of trying to do random-access writes into the RRDs every ten seconds
[02:30] <twb> It was interesting to see how badly it raped the system, though -- e.g. dpkg would issue an fsync for every file (or dir, depending on version) and bring the whole system crashing down.
[02:31] <aarossig> lol
[02:31] <aarossig> very good, these are good starting points for me to google form
[02:31] <twb> Incidentally, if you are into BDSM you can look at libeatmydata
[02:32] <twb> Which is an LD_PRELOAD wrapper that discards all attempts by the app to explicitly flush data.
[02:34] <twb> Patrickdk: fyi, the problem at the prison was he just had the wrong header package installed
[02:38] <aarossig> I am quite proud of my little server. I can boot up from cold 8 drives and the voltage only falls from 12.2 to 11.9V. Quite pleased.
[02:46] <tarvid> !dns
[02:58] <tarvid> where do I setup my isp's nameservers
[02:58] <tarvid> !nameservers
[02:59] <tarvid> !nameserver
[02:59] <tarvid> !name server
[03:00] <tarvid> uswed to be resolv.conf but that gets overwritten
[03:01] <twb> tarvid: resolvconf package
[03:01] <twb> IIUC if you remove that symlink you can just make it an ordinary file and it won't fuck with it
[03:01] <erichammond> tarvid: If you're using DHCP, then you might set up the nameservers in the DHCP server.
[03:02] <tarvid> static assignment
[03:02] <qman__> remove network-manager if you have it, then disable resolvconf, then set resolv.conf manually
[03:02] <qman__> or if you want quick and dirty, set resolv.conf then chattr +i
[03:04] <tarvid> thanks, that seems like the hard way, does Ubuntu havge a reason?
[03:04] <qman__> well, this stuff exists to make networking on desktops and laptops easy
[03:04] <qman__> why it gets thrown in on servers too, I have no clue
[03:04] <qman__> caused me plenty of trouble before
[03:06] <tarvid> avahi with two nics gets things wrong half the time
[03:13] <twb> qman__: resolvconf is hard dep in precise (and 11.10?) so would need to disable rather than remove... oh, you said that
[03:19] <tarvid> cfd /etc/root
[03:25] <tarvid> so how am I supposed to set up static name servers in 12.04?
[03:26] <twb> tarvid: you learn to use resolvconf, or you bypass it
[03:26] <twb> When I grumped about the same thing recently, I was told 14:01 <twb> IIUC if you remove that symlink you can just make it an ordinary file and it won't fuck with it
[03:27] <tarvid> I looked at thye man page, it is inscrutable
[03:27] <tarvid>         dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:27] <tarvid> 	dns-search ls.net
[03:27] <tarvid>
[03:28] <tarvid> chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on resolv.conf
[03:39] <tarvid> by adding nameservers to /etc/network/interfaces I now have nameservers in roslv.conf but dns does not work
[03:52] <twb> tarvid: is /etc/resolv.conf a symlink?
[03:53] <twb> Define "does not work"
[03:54] <twb> $ dig PTR <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa @<IP_ADDRESS> +short ==> google-public-dns-a.google.com.
[03:56] <tarvid> can't get out, can ping peers but nothing beyond the gateway
[03:57] <twb> tarvid: so you did "mtr <IP_ADDRESS>" and got nothing?
[03:57] <tarvid> nothing
[03:57] <twb> Then your network is fucked; nothing to do with DNS
[03:58] <tarvid> you are correct
[04:23] <tarvid> giving up for the night, thanks for the help
[04:33] <twb> Hmm, any gotchas in online growing of an XFS filesystem?
[04:39] <twb> Too late, I did it anyway
[04:40] <KM0201> lol
[04:55] <andol> twb: Any fun suprises? :)
[04:57] <twb> Not yet
[04:58] <twb> But $stupid_customer has no barriers, it's an 8-disk array w/hardware raid and then LVM on top, and the ENTIRE PV is allocated
[04:58] <twb> So the "solution" to give them another 6TB of storage, was to put in another 8 disks in a second array, and pvcreate /dev/sdb and vgextend vg1 /dev/sdb and then fill /home over the entire second PV as well
[04:58] <twb> "whee"
[04:58] <twb> Also this is lenny
[04:59] <andol> Ah
[05:11] <koolhead11> hi all
[05:12] <koolhead11> Daviey: :)
[06:09] <SpamapS> twb: I've done a lot of online growing of XFS partitions in exactly the manner you described. Works fine
[06:09] <SpamapS> twb: and when i did it, it was kernel 2.6.18 (old ass redhat)
[06:19] <Maleko> why i dont see if labels in 'ip a'? i assigned few additional ips under labels/aliases
[09:01] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:13] <yolanda2> hi, good morning
[09:13] <yolanda2> i have a question about dbconfig
[09:13] <yolanda2> is there any way to skip database creation? i only want to create postgres user, but no database
[09:14] <bencer> jamespage: SpamapS would you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JorgeSalamero/PerPackageDeveloperApplication and maybe support my application?
[10:00] <cas> Hi, I got some problems with formatting my (hardware)RAID disk
[10:00] <cas> I get the error it is in use while it is not mounted
[10:02] <cas> Any idea what I can do to "release" this disk for mkfs?
[10:13] <lynxman> jamespage: Question, I've seen a package I'd like to create for Ubuntu (and maintain) which would possibly land in Universe (or multiverse), due to this the restrictions of the freeze for precise do not exactly apply, right?
[10:17] <jamespage> lynxman, they still apply - i.e. you will need a FFe IMHO - but if its a new package they I think the release team would ack that
[10:17] <jamespage> bencer, on my list
[10:17] <bencer> jamespage: ok thanks!
[10:18] <bencer> btw, i've already sent some blueprints on things we want to work now
[10:18] <lynxman> jamespage: its a mysql load balancer (ala pgbouncer), I reckon pretty useful for ops people
[10:19] <bencer> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~zentyal
[10:21] <iclebyte> has any one ever seen 'rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target' in syslog? I can only seem to find references to the kernel source where the message is and other people asking the same question. I have no way of working out which node is causing this.
[10:29] <yolanda2> hi, just another question about dbconfig: i need to create an user, but this user needs to have rights to create database. Currently the user created by dbconfig cannot do it, how can i do it?
[10:37] <yolanda2> please, any help with dbconfig?
[10:47] <yolanda> please, any one can help with dbconfig?
[10:57] <soren> yolanda: Why would the user need to create the database?
[10:57] <yolanda> hi soren, because openerp works like that...
[10:57] <soren> yolanda: dbconfig is supposed to have created it ahead of time.
[10:58] <yolanda> there is a "manage databases" screen, that allows to create new databases, so the user needs to have createdb permissions
[10:58] <soren> yolanda: And it gets upset if the db is already there?
[10:58] <yolanda> well, we don't use that db that is created by dbconfig, if we could just skip the db creation will be fine. But the main problem is that the openerpuser must be able to create new db
[10:59] <yolanda> the way that openerp works, it allows to create different databases for different companies for example
[10:59] <yolanda> we cannot mess with it, it's how openerp is built
[10:59] <soren> Oh.
[11:00] <soren> I'm not sure dbconfig will let you do that. Giving admin creds to an app sounds like a recipe for disaster.
[11:00] <yolanda> soren, not admin rights, only createdb
[11:00] <yolanda> i'm trying to use install-dbadmin files to add an "alter user openerp createdb", am i right?
[11:01] <soren> yolanda: For postgres? No idea.
[11:01] <yolanda> it's a mandatory condition to run openerp...
[11:01]  * soren is a MySQL sort of person
[11:01] <yolanda> soren, the alter has right syntax, no advice for that :) ... but for the place to put it
[11:02] <soren> Then yes.
[11:02] <soren> At least, that's what the docs say. I've never used that functionality.
[11:02] <iclebyte> soren, could you please take a quick look at this for me and see if it rings a bell? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1947743
[11:02] <yolanda> ok, will try
[11:02] <Daviey> yolanda: Hola!
[11:02] <Daviey> How goes it?
[11:03] <yolanda> bad...
[11:03] <Daviey> O_O
[11:03] <yolanda> Daviey, currently having some problems with user permissions
[11:03] <lynxman> Daviey: by bad she means she's having troubles with dbconfig and setting up the openerp database :)
[11:03]  * lynxman helps sometimes as a cultural translator from Spanish to English
[11:03] <Daviey> yolanda: just run everything as root?
[11:03] <Daviey> (not being serious)
[11:04] <yolanda> Daviey, i will be happy just embedding a doc in the package and telling the users to do all by themselves :)
[11:04] <soren> iclebyte: No idea. I'm remarkably lost when it comes to ipv6.
[11:04] <iclebyte> soren, as am I! no problem, thanks for looking.
[11:05] <yolanda> the problem i have, is that opnerp user is created by dbconfig, but doesn't have permissions to create new databases, which is completely mandatory for openerp
[11:05] <yolanda> i'm thinking in use install-dbadmin scripts, and paste some alteruser there
[11:07] <Daviey> yolanda: GRANT access?
[11:07] <yolanda> Daviey "ALTER USER openerp CREATEDB"
[11:07] <yolanda> this is the clue
[11:07] <Daviey> Ah no
[11:07] <yolanda> how can i do it?
[11:09] <Daviey> yolanda: I think you need to add GRANT CREATE
[11:09] <yolanda> Daviey, only need that openerp user can create new dbs
[11:09] <yolanda> so doing that in install-dbadmin is right?
[11:11] <Daviey> yolanda: So, you don't want the package to create the database, or create the schema ?
[11:11] <yolanda> no, only the user
[11:12] <yolanda> if it creates an empty db, it isn't a big problem, but the user will have to do it by the UI
[11:12] <Daviey> yolanda: In this case, there is actually little benefit to using dbconfig :(
[11:12] <yolanda> Daviey, to configure the user
[11:12] <yolanda> that's the only thing
[11:13] <Daviey> yolanda: You are going to hate me for this, but if you want the database to be managed by the app.. I wouldn't use dbconfig.
[11:13] <Daviey> especially as you only care about pg
[11:13] <yolanda> well, what i need is just to create that openerp user, and modify config file with that settings. Obviously can be done in rules, as it was done before
[11:14] <yolanda> do you think that is better?
[11:15] <yolanda> i mean, in postinst, but with shell, sorry
[11:15] <yolanda>         # Register "openerp" as a postgres superuser
[11:15] <yolanda>         su - postgres -c "createuser -s openerp" 2> /dev/null || true
[11:15] <yolanda> that is the old way
[11:17] <Daviey> yolanda: if that is ALL you want to do for database handling at package level, i think i'd probably stick with that.  I'd probably put a debconf question of medium, asking if i should do it or not.
[11:17] <Daviey> You must hate me now :)
[11:17] <yolanda> Daviey, i put you in my blacklist :)
[11:18] <yolanda> i've learned a new thing, that's good
[11:20] <Daviey> yolanda: sorry!  When i suggested dbconfig, it was when i thought you'd be handling the database at packaging level
[11:21] <Daviey> you don't care about the database at that stage, it seems
[11:21] <Daviey> i'm suhc an ass.
[11:21] <yolanda> Daviey, doesn't matter
[11:21] <yolanda> i've learned an useful thing, and fighted with packaging a bit, that is good
[11:22] <yolanda> i will do some modifications to that, because we need random password for that user, and modify config file, but this can be done by script
[11:22] <Daviey> yolanda: You can generate a random password if wanted.
[11:23] <yolanda> i know
[11:23] <yolanda> i was doing it
[11:23] <yolanda> with dbconfig :)
[11:24] <Daviey> heh
[11:26] <Daviey> jamespage: Do we care to have: jsvc, libcommons-daemon-java and tomcat6-user in main?
[11:27] <jamespage> Daviey, any specific reason you ask that question?
[11:27] <Daviey> jamespage: i removed them from the CD, and want to know if i should do anything to keep them in main
[11:29] <jamespage> Daviey, I don't think they really need to be in main TBH
[11:30] <jamespage> esp tomcat6-user
[11:30] <jamespage> its source package still will be BTW
[11:30] <jamespage> tomcat6
[11:30] <jamespage> assume you did not take tomcat6 off the ISO?
[11:31] <Daviey> jamespage: no, tomcat is still on the cd
[11:31] <jamespage> Daviey, great
[11:31] <Daviey> just not -user
[11:31] <Daviey> jamespage: happy for -user to drop to universe?
[11:31] <jamespage> Daviey, good with me - I can't see why jsvc, libcommons-daemon-java where in main anyway?  maybe euca?
[11:32] <Daviey> maybe
[11:32] <RoyK> hrmf - seems my server is booting, but after kernel bootup, jumping to initramfs
[11:32] <RoyK> any idea how to remedy that?
[11:32] <Daviey> RoyK: try the prior kernel?
[11:32] <RoyK> grub config looks good, and it must be, otherwise it shouldn't be booting kernel
[11:49] <derknecht> i want to set up a apache with php. I normally used mod-php5, but since ubuntu 11.x there are dependency issuses with apache worker and mod-php5. how is the recommended way of using php with apache? suphp? cgi/fastCGI? mod_php5? Thanks for your opinions.
[11:49] <ikonia> derknecht: there shouldn't be dependency issues
[11:49] <derknecht> problem with mod_php5 is that prefork worker is needed
[11:50] <ikonia> derknecht: apache/php modules are pretty strongly tested each release
[11:54] <derknecht> how stable is suphp? find the user/group setting attractive
[11:57] <ikonia> never used suphp
[11:57] <ikonia> never really even researched it
[12:00] <Daviey> derknecht: I've used apache2-mpm-itk when i want apache running as a user/group
[12:23] <derknecht> Daviey: itk looks very promising, thanks a lot
[12:23] <derknecht> does that work for php and html with the same user? i mean is both affected when i assign a user/group in a vhost?
[12:29] <Daviey> derknecht: yes
[12:31] <macnix> is there a way to create & control upstart jobs as a regular system user?
[12:31] <macnix> I keep getting the dbus error message whenever I use start/stop as anyone else but root
[12:31] <macnix> ideally, each app has will have its own regular user, it will create upstart jobs as that user and it will be able to start/stop them, no admin privileges required
[12:32] <Daviey> jodh: ^^
[12:32] <jodh> macnix: you can create jobs as regular users but this feature is not enabled in Ubuntu by default. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#user-job
[12:33] <jodh> macnix: and presumably this is the dbus error you get: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#strange-error-when-running-start-stop-restart-or-initctl-emit
[12:34] <Daviey> thanks jodh
[12:34] <jodh> Daviey: np
[12:35] <ikonia> jodh: that's very useful ! I didn't know you could do that
[12:36] <ikonia> thank you
[12:36] <jodh> ikonia: np.
[12:37] <jodh> there is a restriction on user jobs currently: they do not have their output logged. That feature is essentially complete but won't be available in Precise.
[12:38] <koolhead17> hi all
[13:02] <zul> good morning
[13:16] <lynxman> zul: morning
[13:28] <macnix> jodh: yes, that's the error
[13:28] <macnix> jodh: my LTS is running upstart 0.6.5
[13:28] <macnix> is it safe to force an upgrade to 1.3?
[13:29] <wiherek> Hi
[13:29] <jodh> macnix: no
[13:30] <jodh> macnix: well, you can do it, but you'd need to recompile a few packages your self including nih and dbus.
[13:30] <wiherek> should I go with Ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04 and 32 or 64 bit on a 4GHz 4GB RAM VPS?
[13:30] <Angtagapagligt> 11.04 32 Bit
[13:30] <macnix> jodh: don't really want to open that can of worms
[13:31] <wiherek> k, thanks.
[13:31] <Myrtti> 10.04 :-P
[13:31] <macnix> jodh: can I accomplish my goal in a different way?
[13:31] <jodh> macnix: quite - I wouldn't recommend it.
[13:31] <wiherek> cant do 10.04 :(
[13:31] <wiherek> its not in the options.
[13:31] <Myrtti> :-(
[13:31] <wiherek> :-(
[13:31] <Angtagapagligt> :-P
[13:32] <macnix> jodh: I mean, others must have tackled this
[13:32] <macnix> system user per app with upstart jobs, without sudo privileges, can't be THAT difficult, surely
[13:32] <jodh> macnix: you could play elaborate tricks with sudo+initctl+user directories below /etc/init/, but again, I really wouldn't recommend it. What types of jobs do you want your users to be able to create? When do you want these jobs to start?
[13:34] <jodh> macnix: I really don't know I'm afraid. But what is the user case here? You can run system jobs as a different user if required.
[13:35] <macnix> jodh: this is what I'm doing now 1.1 - 1.3 https://github.com/gerhard/deliver/tree/master/strategies
[13:36] <macnix> jodh: that requires anyone who deploys to have sudo privileges, so that upstart jobs can be created properly, and the app start via sudo start
[13:37] <macnix> jodh: so we have developers which have sudo privileges just because they can't deploy new versions of an app without it.
[13:38] <jodh> macnix: I don't understand - why does all this need to run through upstart and need root privs? Can't this app server run on non-priv ports?
[13:39] <macnix> jodh: yes, it can, but how do you re-generate new upstart files for that app (new services get added, old ones removed) without sudo privileges?
[13:40] <macnix> jodh: it's not the ports, it's writing those upstart files in /etc/init & starting/stopping the service which requires sudo
[13:41] <jodh> Why do you need to regenerate new upstart jobs? Why not have 1 central (root) job that uses "instance" and can somehow "look" for other instances of this app-server thing in non-priv users home directories?
[13:42] <macnix> jodh: how would that work? I know the instance job, but not sure how it could "look" for other jobs part of this app
[13:43] <macnix> let me give you a live example
[13:43] <jodh> macnix: look here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#instance
[13:44] <jodh> macnix: that first example is looking for instances of some service in /var/lib/queues. Tweak to suit.
[13:46] <macnix> jodh: tweaking away. will let you know how it goes. cheers!
[13:46] <jodh> macnix: np. good luck.
[14:26] <hallyn> Daviey: hey
[14:28] <hallyn> Daviey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vde2/+bug/776818/comments/13   I'd missed that comment.  I don't know how to answer that :)
[14:32] <hallyn> Daviey: specifically wrt bug 776650
[14:32] <hallyn> shoudl this be added to today's mtg agenda?
[14:32] <hallyn> I'll add it
[14:37] <wiherek> can I build a views search form that would work by just adding /search argument to the end of a taxonomy term url?
[14:37] <wiherek> so like this: mysite.com/taxonomy/term/search
[14:38] <Pici> wiherek: Are you sure you're in the right channel for your question, this is #ubuntu-server
[14:38] <wiherek> lol
[14:38] <wiherek> thought it was drupal
[14:38] <wiherek> sry :D
[14:38] <Pici> tis okay ;)
[14:45] <rbasak> smoser: in cloud images, I can sudo without specifying a password, but the sudo configuration does not look like it's changed and the password is just disabled by prefixing a "!". When I do this in a netinst, I still need a sudo password (or NOPASSWD adding to /etc/sudoers). Any hints as to how the cloud images manage to work this way? I want to do the same in a netinst.
[14:45] <smoser> sudoers.d
[14:46] <smoser> $ sudo cat /etc/sudoers.d/90-cloudimg-ubuntu
[14:46] <smoser> # ubuntu user is default user in cloud-images.
[14:46] <smoser> # It needs passwordless sudo functionality.
[14:46] <smoser> ubuntu ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[14:46] <Daviey> passwords are overrated
[14:46] <rbasak> #includedir /etc/sudoers.d
[14:47] <rbasak> and there I was thinking that the "includedir" directive was commented out, so I didn't examine sudoers.d.
[14:47] <rbasak> thanks :)
[14:50] <hallyn> stgraber: do you have a minute?
[14:51] <hallyn> stgraber: let's say that user namespaces came with a limitation: you have to map userids in container to userids on host a priori (prior to starting container at least).  How bad is that in your opinion?
[14:52] <hallyn> so for instance, installing mysql without planning in advance could cause setuid(mysql) to fail until you stop the container, reconfigure, and restart
[14:52] <hallyn> (of course if you just map everything in container from 0..500 and 1000..1100 you might be pretty safe)
[14:53] <stgraber> hallyn: sounds pretty bad as your regular user won't be able to create users on the host
[14:53] <hallyn> well in any case the mapping will need to be created on the host, so that part i'm not sure is a problem
[14:54] <hallyn> basically, i think you'd find a way to say host ids 50000-55000 are usable by hallyn, for whatever
[14:54] <hallyn> then uid 0 in my container maps to 50000 on host, etc
[14:54] <hallyn> the part that worries me is that the mapping may not be dynamically changeable
[14:55] <hallyn> it may become so, depending on performance impact
[14:57] <hallyn> stgraber: I'm going to cc you on my next email regarding this
[14:59] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, right, thinking some more, if we assign 5k uids per container it should be fine for most cases
[14:59] <stgraber> hallyn: that's as long as they don't use LDAP or any other large user directory
[15:00] <hallyn> right, but the q is is it reasonable to assume the container can predict the contaienr uids needed, so they can map them
[15:00] <hallyn> let's move to email :)  thx
[15:03] <antihero> how do I make it do an automatic security update each night?
[15:03] <antihero> by "it" I mean a clean ubuntu server distro
[15:46] <SpamapS> antihero: do you want an ISO each night, or do you want to just download and install upgraded packages every night?
[15:57] <lynxman> roaksoax: ping
[16:02] <hallyn> smoser: regardign kvm perf regression, feb 20 I uploaded a pkg based on upstream git head to ubuntu-virt ppa, might be worth trying with that
[16:02] <hallyn> (i'm waitnig for lucid vm to finish building)
[16:03] <smoser> hallyn, well, you can remove variables (specifically variables i dont care about) by using the cloud images
[16:04] <hallyn> drat.  yeah
[16:07] <roaksoax> lynxman: pong
[16:10] <lynxman> roaksoax: I'm having some issues deploying precise with orchestra (sitting on an oneiric machine), I'd like to pick your brain for some mins whenever its okay for you :)
[16:10] <roaksoax> lynxman: sure,
[16:11] <roaksoax> lynxman: sure, what are your issues
[16:11] <lynxman> roaksoax: It looks like when importing the isos if the profile already exists it won't be updated, I'm having an issue with precise where it complains about different kernel versions between the archive and the pxe boot
[16:12] <roaksoax> lynxman: cobbler-ubuntu-import -u precise-i386
[16:12] <lynxman> roaksoax: let me try
[16:14] <lynxman> roaksoax: yeah did that already, facing the same issue :/
[16:15] <roaksoax> lynxman: is cobbler-ubuntu-import updating the ISO?
[16:18] <lynxman> roaksoax: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/902393/
[16:18] <lynxman> roaksoax: it says "skipping import", that's the issue, I'd pretty much like to force it :)
[16:19] <roaksoax> lynxman: cobbler-ubuntu-import -U
[16:20] <lynxman> roaksoax: no -U option on the oneiric version
[16:20] <roaksoax> lynxman: ah then you need to remove the prefoile and import one
[16:20] <lynxman> roaksoax: cool! will do that then :)
[16:20] <roaksoax> lynxman: unless you wanna install the precise version of cobbler-ubuntu-import
[16:21] <lynxman> roaksoax: nah it's fine, will go that way
[16:21] <roaksoax> ok
[16:21] <lynxman> roaksoax: the only problem is that the oneiric orchestra version does -c which throws the same error, doesn't update the profile
[16:22] <roaksoax> lynxman: -c = check
[16:22] <roaksoax> -u should update
[16:22] <roaksoax> lynxman: that's all fixed in precise btw
[16:22] <lynxman> roaksoax: yeah that's good news, but it'd be also interesting to do a SRU for oneiric
[16:22] <lynxman> roaksoax: don't you think?
[16:41] <Adri2000> I've just realized I proposed a merge request into lp:ubuntu/horizon instead of lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/horizon/essex ...
[16:41] <Adri2000> is it going to be handled anyway?
[16:46] <arosales> smoser: utlemming: Do you think you be able to get to  ubuntu-cloudimg-query and cloud-publish-ubuntu to query2 along wit hthe cloud-image-sync this cycle?
[16:47] <arosales> utlemming: smoser: per https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cloudutils
[16:47] <smoser> i think both of those qualify as Feature, and I really think we're past that point in the cycle.
[16:47] <smoser> both suck that we dont have them.
[16:47] <smoser> but..
[16:49] <utlemming> smoser, I agree with your assesment here
[16:49] <Daviey> smoser: if we didn't have control of the API, and the API was deprecated mid-cycle, we'd consider it for an SRU.
[16:49] <utlemming> I would like to ship it, but we're late.
[16:49] <Daviey> therefore, we can still consider it for release if the risk benefit is met.
[16:50] <arosales> sounds like something we can still push for ?
[16:52] <utlemming> arosales: yes...but I need to do a bit of work to get it ready. The bits are done, the documentation is so-so and the packaging needs doing.
[16:53] <smoser> i'll let utlemming comment on it, and i can review that. having cloudimg-query read /query2 woudl be good, but its not terribly useful.
[16:54] <smoser> it would remove 1 hack, which is that you can't really download (or get data for) the disk images with it.
[16:54] <smoser> you just have to get the url for the tarball ("uec style") image and then take off .tar.gz and add .img
[16:57] <smoser> so my personal feeling would be to not bother with cloudimg-query, but if we had sync, that would be good.
[16:57] <arosales> utlemming: do you have cycles to work on sync?
[16:57] <utlemming> smoser: I concur...
[16:58] <utlemming> arosales: I may or may not...it really depends on whether another project interfers. Right now I have the cycles since I'm blocked. So I can give a noble effort.
[16:59] <Daviey> utlemming: Have you solved the LANG PITA?
[16:59] <smb> hallyn, smoser If some hard evidence comes out of the kvm perf issue, it would be best to have a bug report for collecting data and working on it. If you then could mail me (and I thinkg tgardner is interested too) that number it will have a lesser chance to get lost in noise.
[16:59] <utlemming> Daviey: yes, but I want to talk about it with you and smoser during our meeting shortly
[16:59] <Daviey> utlemming: If you have capacity, kernel upgrades still suck.. and infinity doesn't seem to be touching it as promised.
[16:59] <arosales> utlemming: ok, lets see where you are able to make progress on sync. Perhaps leave sync as a todo and postpone cloudimage-query?
[17:00] <utlemming> arosales: that sounds like a plan
[17:00] <utlemming> Daviey: are you referencing the grub error messages?
[17:01] <arosales> SpamapS: thanks for charing todays meeting
[17:01] <SpamapS> always a pleasure :)
[17:05] <hallyn> smb: was just checking to see if smoser had filed one, looks like no.  I'll file one against qemu-kvm and linux (later today)
[17:06] <smoser> hallyn, i have not.
[17:06] <smoser> i really just don't have amore than a finger in the wind
[17:06] <smb> hallyn, sounds good
[17:06] <smoser> and i'm embarrarisingly ignorant about what even *is* good
[17:06] <hallyn> ditto, really.  but i'm pretty sure 9m/s is bad :)
[17:06] <smoser> regressions are easy to spot, though, given 2 setups to compare.
[17:13] <tarvid> can I reload without setting up the dm again?
[17:14] <tarvid> or how can I get dns resolution working again?
[17:15] <tarvid> since switching to static ip address, I've lost dns
[17:16] <e_t_> tarvid: Did you switch to static IP in NetworkManager? Did you specify a DNS server to use there?
[17:16] <tarvid> I don't havge network namager, this is a basic server install
[17:16] <tarvid> manger
[17:16] <tarvid> without desktop
[17:17] <e_t_> What's the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf ?
[17:17] <tarvid> it had nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:18] <tarvid> even after adding dns-nameservers to /etc/network/interfaces
[17:19] <e_t_> Do you get anything from "dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com" ?
[17:19] <tarvid> no name resolution works
[17:21] <e_t_> That's what the @ is for, it directs dig to point to a specified server, regardless of defaults. Also try it with @<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:22] <tarvid> no name servers could be reached
[17:22] <e_t_> can you ping other hosts?
[17:22] <tarvid> only this machine
[17:23] <e_t_> The your real problem is that networking is busted.
[17:23] <tarvid> true
[17:23] <tarvid> but it worked before attempting a static ip and nameservers
[17:24] <e_t_> Can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[17:25] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/902512/
[17:27] <e_t_> What address do you get from DHCP?
[17:28] <tarvid> I'll swith from static to auto and see what happens
[17:30] <Aison> on my ubuntu server, the networking is completly fucked up :(((
[17:30] <tarvid> I'm downloading the daily build, can I reinstall without setting up the dm again?
[17:30] <Aison> I didn't change anything in the configuration, but now, after reboot I have to configure the network devices all by hand
[17:31] <e_t_> tarvid: what do you mean by "dm" ?
[17:31] <Aison>  /etc/network/interfaces is somethow not working right
[17:31] <tarvid> RAID1
[17:31] <tarvid> Aison, at least you have company
[17:32] <tarvid> resolvconf is supposed to take dns-nameservers from that file
[17:33] <e_t_> tarvid: I think the installer will detect an existing Linux RAID.
[17:33] <tarvid> encoueraging
[17:33] <tarvid> took overnight the last time to erase it
[17:33] <Adri2000> zul: is it a problem that my merge request is for lp:ubuntu/horizon instead of lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/horizon/essex ?
[17:34] <Adri2000> (realized that today :/)
[17:34] <e_t_> tarvid: At that point in the installer, nothing has been changed, so you can just reboot if the raid isn't detected.
[17:34] <zul> Adri2000: yeah can you merge it against lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/horizon/essex please
[17:35] <Aison> tarvid, since ubuntu 11.04, I've got also this strange "Waiting for network connection" message at boot up, on ALL my desktop machines, it's just crap
[17:35] <tarvid> does not make one cheery
[17:43] <tarvid> dhcp fails on install, time to fix that first
[17:45] <Adri2000> zul: done https://code.launchpad.net/~adri2000/horizon/rename-apache-config-file/+merge/99574
[17:46] <zul> Adri2000: cool thanks
[17:49] <tarvid> how am i supposed to use network-manager to add aliases?
[17:55] <bluefrog> tarvid, aliases? oh thought you had your own dns server
[17:56] <tarvid> I do but want to add ethernet aliases to a host
[17:56] <bluefrog> tarvid, is your resolv.conf still a symlink?
[17:57] <bluefrog> tarvid, deit /etc/hosts for aliases
[17:57] <bluefrog> edit
[17:58] <tarvid> about to reload, testing static IP addresses issued by ISP, that is why I want to add aliases on another machine to make sure the routes work
[18:03] <koolhead17> popey, around?
[18:05] <koolhead17> popey, just wanted to tell you we should not feed those trolls!! :)
[18:07] <tarvid> how come aliases in network-manager do not show up in ifconfig?
[18:08] <rbasak> Daviey: can we talk about my service orchestration / system management blueprints tomorrow?
[18:09] <Daviey> rbasak: ping me in the morning?
[18:10] <Daviey> rbasak: well have a voice chat
[18:22] <roaksoax> SpamapS: how can I start an upstart job after a init script has started a daemon
[18:40] <SpamapS> roaksoax: two options. Either a) change the init.d script to emit an event when it is started, or b) convert the init.d script to an upstart job
[18:41] <roaksoax> SpamapS: cool thanks and yes I had to patch the init script
[18:45] <rbasak> Daviey: will do, thanks
[19:23] <Daviey> rbasak: still around?
[19:23] <Daviey> rbasak: Does OpenMPI need to be in beta2?
[19:24] <rbasak> Daviey: I'm not aware of a need. I think janimo uploaded it
[19:25] <Daviey> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/98532550/openmpi_1.4.3-2.1ubuntu2_1.4.3-2.1ubuntu3.diff.gz
[19:31] <tarvid> installing 12.04 server - long pause after configuring network manually. What is it doing?
[19:45] <SpamapS> tarvid: testing your patience ;)
[19:46] <SpamapS> Ursinha: what happened to the old server team SRU report?
[19:46] <Ursinha> SpamapS, it's supposed to be there
[19:47] <SpamapS> Ursinha: where?
[19:47] <Ursinha> SpamapS, where it was before :) let me find the link
[19:47] <SpamapS> should go in the knowledge base
[19:48] <SpamapS> Ursinha: and thank you for finding it for me. :)
[19:49] <smoser> Daviey, we're expecting cloud-images for beta-2 candidates tomorrow?
[19:49] <smoser> (and the same for ISO)
[19:52] <zul> adam_g: i added convert_to_sqilte.sh and sample_data.sh to keystone.install
[19:53] <Ursinha> SpamapS, hm, it seems it's a bit broken
[19:53] <Ursinha> zul, where did you place your old sru report?
[19:53] <adam_g> zul: whats convert_to_sqlite do?
[19:53] <Ursinha> it was you?
[19:55] <Daviey> smoser: Yep, i'm not going to bed until we have a viable candidate
[19:55] <smoser> you have a bed?
[19:56] <Ursinha> lol
[19:56]  * SpamapS sleeps on a pile of old scraps and feathers
[19:58] <zul> Ursinha: should be in the same place as last time
[19:58] <Ursinha> zul, I can't remember where
[19:58] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[19:58] <Ursinha> we're all doomed
[19:58] <zul> http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/
[19:58] <Ursinha> ah, it's chucks
[19:58] <Ursinha> I was trying zul
[19:59] <Ursinha> y u no use the same nick!?
[19:59] <zul> alter-ego
[19:59] <Ursinha> lol
[19:59] <Ursinha> thanks zul
[19:59] <Ursinha> bad news is that it seems equally broken
[19:59] <Ursinha> sigh
[19:59] <Ursinha> SIGH
[19:59] <Ursinha> SpamapS, I'll fix that
[20:00] <SpamapS> Ursinha: thank you!
[20:00]  * SpamapS had not looked at it in a while but was wondering how we were doing at keeping up w/ SRU's
[20:01] <Ursinha> SpamapS, it's here: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/sru-report.html
[20:01] <Ursinha> you can bookmark it
[20:01] <Ursinha> :)
[20:03] <SpamapS> Ursinha: done, and maybe once its fixed, add it to the KnowledgeBase page as well?
[20:03] <Ursinha> SpamapS, surely
[20:04] <Ursinha> we might want to add stats.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/ as well
[20:09] <zul> SpamapS: im not keeping up with the sru report at all
[20:11] <allowoverride> whats a good program for vitualizing OS on debian based servers like ubuntu
[20:11] <allowoverride> i did a headless a while back on ubuntu 6.x. wondering what other free progs are avail... thanks!
[20:12] <guntbert> !kvm | allowoverride
[20:13] <allowoverride> uses libvrt
[20:13] <allowoverride> ok, anything else?
[20:13] <allowoverride> i like virt-manager :) and xm cmd's
[20:14] <allowoverride> oh im new to xen by the way
[20:20] <rhys> so orchestra. anyone using it yet?
[20:54] <pabelanger> Is the ubuntu release team responsible for actually creating the ISO (specifically the mini.iso)?
[20:55] <pabelanger> I'm looking for the process that is actually used (eg: scripts)
[21:11] <raubvogel> editing rsyslog config: rsyslog.conf, rsyslog.d/50-default.conf, or create a file in rsyslog.d/ ?
[21:52] <kirkland> hmm, seems that dkim-filter no longer exists in Ubuntu 12.04
[21:52] <kirkland> I was using that happily on Ubuntu 10.04
[21:52] <kirkland> anyone know if there's a replacement?
[22:24] <bemu> Anyone seen apt-get failures on EC2 akin to: https://gist.github.com/0f8b5d1be792990d1bc6
[22:24] <bemu> It's strange because it looks like the files are being pulled from the same place with --fix-missing: https://gist.github.com/2703c9b26d594d36f6a5
[22:43] <dork> hi all, i've got a few ubuntu servers connected to an ip based kvm. i've got communication with the serial port during post, grub, and if therer isn't a failure between runlevel 1 and 2 i can see that and everything going forward, if there is an issue during boot up like prompting for raid degraidation boot override or if a software array cant assemble, or any failure for that matter that results to a busybox prompt, i lose my communication with the box
[23:42] <mgw> is it possible (reasonably easily) to run sshd on separate ports, with different sshd config settings for each port?
[23:45] <raydog45000> I just recently set lamp up on my ubuntu desktop and am trying to convert it to pure server, I can access it via ssh on mylocal host, does anyone know a good guide to make it accessible from the net or know how?
[23:54] <ChmEarl> raydog45000, iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[23:55] <raydog45000> what does that do?
[23:55] <ChmEarl> raydog45000, if you have a router (hw firewall) then open port 22 there
[23:55] <raydog45000> ok


[00:20] <Unit193> I take it rebuilding is a bit of work to do?
[00:21] <paultag> Unit193: nosir
[00:21] <paultag> Unit193: all my source is very public
[00:22] <paultag> Unit193: just change the changelog target and build on your local pbuilder
[00:22] <Unit193> If I do a mini install it would mostly be easy?
[00:22]  * canthus13 is considering setting up a freenet node...
[00:23]  * canthus13 wonders how bandwidth-intensive it is...
[00:23] <paultag> canthus13: on your network?
[00:23] <paultag> canthus13: like that you work for, not local
[00:23]  * Unit193 just does the sudo apt-get install k/f/ubuntu-desktop
[00:23] <paultag> Unit193: yeah it would be really easy
[00:29] <Unit193> Would it help you any?
[00:29] <paultag> Unit193: the PPC build?
[00:30] <paultag> Unit193: I'd love a test
[00:31] <Unit193> I have an very old G3 350MHz that I would love to put linux on (I'd even take debian)
[00:32] <Cheri703> http://notalwaysright.com/an-open-and-shut-case-2/8891
[00:33] <paultag> Unit193: give it a build
[00:45]  * Cheri703 is chilly
[00:50] <canthus13> paultag: at may home.
[00:50] <canthus13> err. my.
[00:51] <paultag> :)
[00:52]  * canthus13 is upping to 50/3 soon, may dedicate 1mbit upload to freenet.
[00:53] <paultag> aye
[00:57] <Cheri703> someone told me that roadrunner was going to be increasing speeds...don't know if I buy that
[00:59] <deejoe> "speeds"
[00:59] <deejoe> what horse hockey
[01:00] <Cheri703> well, that they were changing to fiber or something, I dunno
[01:00]  * Cheri703 wasn't paying attention
[01:00] <deejoe> which channel was it someone was saying their max rate was as advertised, so the fact that they were getting 50 percent packet loss wasn't considered a problem
[01:00] <Cheri703> o.O
[01:02] <deejoe> I know, right?
[01:02] <deejoe> (^^^ I don't know wtf that adds to any conversation, but it seems to be au courant, so I like to drop it in every now and again)
[01:02] <Cheri703> we have roadrunner, our connection drops out sometimes. but we have a really good price for what we get
[01:02] <Cheri703> heh
[01:02] <Cheri703> at least you didn't spell it "inorite"
[01:03] <paultag> inorite?
[01:04] <Cheri703> I know right = inorite for some people
[01:04] <Cheri703> I always read it as "inno-write" at first
[01:10]  * BiosElement has had 2 hours of sleep with maybe 3 30min sessions when he was woken between...and is writing test cases. >.>
[01:10] <BiosElement> Gonna be a long day heh
[01:11] <deejoe> inno-write--sounds like some database people tried their hand at a word processor or text editor
[01:35]  * canthus13 yawns.
[01:45] <firstc624> not much  going on this snowy monday huh....seems really quiet
[01:46] <canthus13> snowy?
[01:46] <canthus13> We have a few flurries, but nothing sticking.
[01:46] <firstc624> yell by the lake it is another thingi guess....hasn't stopped all day
[01:47]  * canthus13 is in toledo, out of range of Erie lake effect and Michigan lake effect.
[01:47] <firstc624> lake effect snow, gotta love it..lol
[01:48] <firstc624> it isn't to bad, but the lake is just getting warmed up for the big suff later in the year
[01:48]  * Cheri703 is in mansfield
[01:49] <Cheri703> we've had quite a bit of snow so far
[01:50] <firstc624> i think it is supposed to tapper off finally tomorrow sometime....but it is nice to see the snow....cold...but nice
[02:04] <Cheri703> blargh
[02:10] <canthus13> blargh?
[02:11] <Cheri703> yes
[02:12]  * Cheri703 had too much sugar and is blah, also not looking forward to leaving my house at 8am to drive 2 hours >.<
[02:12] <Cheri703> woo hypoglycemia
[02:15] <canthus13> :(
[02:15] <Cheri703> and procrastinating things that need to be done and I don't want to do...
[02:15] <Cheri703> working further on the contract for bosses and working on my resume'
[02:16] <canthus13> get that resume done!  :P Heck, I had to google it. >.> I blame python.  :P
[02:49] <thafreak> but you guys aren't in a graduate CS program...where a pre-req is data structures...
[02:50] <thafreak> i'm just tired of these people...how they get in the program is beyond me...
[02:51] <Cheri703> know anyone in the region who needs a reasonably technical employee? (not a programmer though)
[02:51]  * Cheri703 is not too proud to solicit jobs in irc :)
[02:51] <thafreak> sorry for my whining...
[02:52] <thafreak> Cheri703: not off hand, but I will keep my eyes open...what kind of hourly rate/salary range are you looking for?
[02:53] <Cheri703> uhm, honestly? if I were making $10/hour it'd be vastly more than I make now...so...I'm pretty darn flexible (/me makes $300/week, which at 40 hours is about $7.50 an hour, thanks to idiot lying bosses, hooray!)
[02:53] <thafreak> yeah, you'll have those
[02:54] <Cheri703> so if I can't find a tech job, I'm pretty much open to any job I can get to that pays $9 or more and I don't have to be on my feet all day
[02:54] <thafreak> I atleast don't hate my boss...she's an academia type...so she talks like a politician alot...but that's about the worst
[02:54] <canthus13> a hash table... that's a counter in a coffee shop in amsterdam,r ight?
[02:54]  * Cheri703 would LOVE to make well over $10, but doesn't know how realistic that is
[02:55] <thafreak> I saw some internships doing tech stuff in the Kent area recently...not sure how far that is from you.
[02:55] <Cheri703> thafreak: mine decided that my corporate bonuses would count as my pay for a month at a time, want me to pay my own taxes and expect more than 40 hours per week whenever possible
[02:55] <canthus13> Cheri703: I'll let you know when something here opens up.
[02:55] <Cheri703> hmm...I'll google
[02:55] <Cheri703> thanks cant
[02:55] <Cheri703> canthus13:
[02:55] <Cheri703> bha
[02:55] <thafreak> I see alot of job openings come across my kent account
[02:55] <Cheri703> sd9-fryaw90er78
[02:55] <Cheri703> bah
[02:55] <Cheri703> ok
[02:55] <Cheri703> freaking computer
[02:56] <thafreak> Cheri703: maybe you should install windows xp a 5th time on it :)
[02:56]  * canthus13 baaws at his nfs share-less desktop.
[02:56] <Cheri703> nah, that's a different computer
[02:57] <BiosElement> True Story: http://xkcd.com/446/ >.<
[02:57] <Cheri703> got xp and the xerox programs working, now have to try to hunt down xp drivers for it
[02:57] <Cheri703> thafreak: 1.5 hours from mansfield to kent
[02:58] <thafreak> ouch...a bit far
[02:58] <Cheri703> while that's less than I drive to some clients now, not realistic long term :/
[02:58] <thafreak> is canton closer?
[02:58] <Cheri703> 15 min
[02:59] <canthus13> Cheri703: http://www.buckeyecablesystem.com/bci_html/career.html  $13.90 to start as tech support.
[02:59] <thafreak> is ashland near you?
[02:59] <Cheri703> ashland is about 25-30 min, definitely doable
[03:00] <canthus13> part time to start, though.
[03:00] <Cheri703> and toledo :/
[03:00] <Cheri703> we're in a lease until at least april
[03:00] <canthus13> True.
[03:01] <canthus13> Cheri703: But those are the reqs, and they never change. I'm sure something will pop up around then.
[03:01] <thafreak> I sometimes see canton stuff...so I'll keep an eye out
[03:01] <Cheri703> yeah, I appreciate it :)
[03:01] <Cheri703> (ashland would be very good :) )
[03:02] <thafreak> I know a guy who lives in ashland...and works for the local cable company there
[03:02] <Cheri703> ah, that's cool
[03:02] <thafreak> He might know of something...but he's also REALLY slow at responding to emails :)
[03:02] <Cheri703> there's a centurylink office here in mansfield, but I have roadrunner :)
[03:03] <Cheri703> I know a lot of people like that thafreak
[03:03] <thafreak> Why do you always say that "you're not a programmer"? :)
[03:03] <Cheri703> I've been contemplating what I should do if for some reason crazy bosses actually acquiesced to my proposed contract...
[03:03] <Cheri703> because I'm not, and a lot of people think of developer jobs when they're thinking tech jobs
[03:04] <Cheri703> not everyone, but I just put it out there as a disclaimer
[03:04] <thafreak> Only thing between avg non-programmers, and programmers is a few hours of playing with python :)
[03:05] <Cheri703> eh, I poked at python before, I didn't really get into it...I'm more of a "figure out things to do with what currently exists" than a "create something new" person. I am very interested in the networking side of things
[03:05]  * Cheri703 is also procrastinating reading up on the network+ exam materials
[03:06] <thafreak> do cisco
[03:06] <thafreak> the basic cisco cert is pretty decent
[03:06]  * thafreak not even sure what it's called these days
[03:06] <Cheri703> yeah, but I've heard from various people that having a non-manufacturer specific cert is *sometimes* preferable
[03:07] <thafreak> maybe, but I've heard mostly the + certs as being jokes...especially A+
[03:07] <canthus13> Cheri703: CCNA is an excellent all-around cert. it's very, very heavy on basic networking.
[03:07] <thafreak> they're more made fun of than MBA's
[03:07] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[03:08] <Cheri703> there are SO MANY conflicting views on certs, it's aggravating for someone trying to figure out where to focus their time
[03:08] <thafreak> CCNA is what I'd get first...
[03:08] <thafreak> you get past that, network+ should be cake
[03:09] <thafreak> I see mostly the Cisco stuff required/requested in most job postings...
[03:09] <Cheri703> some people say msce are useless, some companies ask for them, some people say ccna, some say comptia, some say don't get certs at all because they view them as wastes of time, others say don't get them because it just says you're willing to cram and toss some money out and probably don't have any experience to back it up >.<
[03:09] <thafreak> I only really see network+ on resumes :(
[03:09] <thafreak> you're right, all those views are valid :)
[03:09] <Cheri703> I've heard from at least 3 people who are at least vaguely related to my current work say that the network+ is what's wanted, so that's why I was headed that way
[03:09] <Cheri703> bah
[03:10] <Cheri703> I hate it
[03:10]  * Cheri703 is self taught thus far
[03:10] <thafreak> it all depends on the company doing the hiring
[03:10] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:10] <Cheri703> I'd like to put "I'll get whatever cert you want me to have"
[03:10] <Cheri703> but...don't know that that's helpful
[03:10] <thafreak> most managers haven't a clue, so they throw alphabet soup at the requirements
[03:11] <Cheri703> yeah :(
[03:11] <thafreak> well, if you started on net+, and, more importantly, if it's cheaper, do that first....but if you're serious about networking, ccna...
[03:12] <Cheri703> yeah, I wasn't planning to stop with network+
[03:12] <Cheri703> so quick poll time:
[03:12] <canthus13> If they'll take network+, they'll love CCNA. CCNA has all of network+ and then some.
[03:13] <Unit193> Trying to install Ubuntu on PPC is no cakewalk....
[03:13] <thafreak> haha...dude, doing anything on ppc is no cakewalk :)
[03:13] <canthus13> only idiots dismiss cisco certs because of a vendor affiliation.
[03:13] <thafreak> you think that's fun, try installing linux on an old Alpha
[03:14] <Cheri703> if you had craptastic bosses who did any of the various things I've pissed about in here, and they said "wow, you know what? we were wrong, we'll pay you more because we realize that we'll be utterly screwed without you" would you stay? even after they've lied to corporate about paying you, taken your bonuses, denied others, claimed you didn't talk about things you did, changed the working arrangement pretty much every few months.
[03:14] <Cheri703> ...? would you stay?
[03:14] <thafreak> canthus13: right, but those idiots are often called "managers" :)
[03:14] <Unit193> thafreak: did you ever get PPC to work?
[03:14] <canthus13> Cheri703: Not without a contract.
[03:14] <thafreak> Unit193: I had debian on an imac...barely got past the installer it kept crashing and freezing
[03:15] <Cheri703> they seem to be the type of people who might view a contract as a fluid document
[03:15] <Cheri703> and I would be putting forth a contract to see if they'll go for it
[03:15] <canthus13> Cheri703: a signed contract isn't 'fluid'.
[03:15] <canthus13> It's something to beat them over the head with. :)
[03:15] <Unit193> thafreak: should I even bother trying?
[03:15] <thafreak> I'm all about head beating
[03:16] <canthus13> Unit193: It's a fun exercise.
[03:16] <thafreak> Unit193: of course you should
[03:16] <canthus13> It builds character. :)
[03:16] <Cheri703> but considering that the last time I told them that changes needed to happen and that they were in violation of the requirements of me being a "contractor" I was told that we have a "non-traditional contractor agreement" (which isn't on paper and basically means I'm an indentured servant), and that she's "not concerned about the government coming in to look at [her] records" regarding following said laws
[03:16] <thafreak> it will put hair on your chest...unless your a female...then it will...do whatever is the femail equivalent
[03:16] <Cheri703> and that she freaks out if anyone questions her about pretty much anything
[03:16] <canthus13> Cheri703: ...you *could* tip the IRS off...
[03:16] <Cheri703> canthus13: that's on the agenda potentially
[03:17] <Unit193> thafreak: 350MHz l/x/f/ubuntu?
[03:17] <canthus13> Unit193: Lubuntu.
[03:18] <Cheri703> I just know that they'll be utterly screwed without me, and that I like the work and the clients, but I don't know that it's worth it even if they were suddenly to have a come to jesus moment
[03:18] <thafreak> Unit193: fluxbox if your doing a desktop....I wouldn't do xubuntu...lxde might work...but fluxbox would probably run best
[03:18] <canthus13> Lubuntu is remarkably well done.
[03:18] <canthus13> and It's mature enough and stable enough to use everyday.
[03:18] <Unit193> thafreak: that's what I was thinking... but I'll have to rebuild and I have never done that
[03:19] <thafreak> how much ram Unit193 ?
[03:19] <Unit193> canthus13: I use that on one old pc... it's not as fast as Ubuntu used to me
[03:19]  * canthus13 has run Lubuntu with 256MB with no issues at all.
[03:19] <Unit193> *be
[03:19] <thafreak> rebuild is pretty easy...
[03:19] <Unit193> thafreak: 512+
[03:19] <thafreak> wow
[03:19] <Unit193> canthus13: 500MHz
[03:20] <thafreak> well 512mb of ram, should be good enough for even xubuntu...
[03:20] <canthus13> Unit193: Same.  Then I upgraded/killed that machine.
[03:20] <canthus13> thafreak: 500mhz might be a bit tight.
[03:20] <canthus13> Xubuntu was a dog on a 1ghz P3 with 512mb.
[03:20] <Unit193> thafreak: 4 ram slots so I just kept on adding
[03:20] <Unit193> canthus13: 350 in the PPC
[03:21] <thafreak> all I know, is that my 120mhz p1 w/64mb of ram ran blackbox like a dream...
[03:21] <canthus13> PPC speeds don't really measure up to the same as x86...
[03:21] <thafreak> fluxbox isn't much more than the old blackbox
[03:21] <thafreak> not sure how you'd work the menus with only a single mouse button though
[03:22] <Unit193> mini install doesn't seem to have the HD driver....
[03:22] <Cheri703> ctrl click probably?
[03:22] <Cheri703> or whatever the mac key is called
[03:22] <canthus13> splat.
[03:24] <Unit193> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_350_bl.html <--- that's it
[03:49] <BiosElement> And the amazing corporate censorship continues with mastercard. Awesome how all these companies think they're judges. >.<
[04:04] <Unit193> Is there a simple guide telling you how to rebuild a distro?
[04:05] <thafreak> rebuild a distro, or a package?
[04:06] <Unit193> distro
[04:06] <thafreak> why do you want to rebuild an entire distro?
[04:06] <Unit193> x/k/l/f/ubuntu
[04:08] <Unit193> that's not the only way to get f/lubuntu on PPC?
[04:08] <thafreak> i think most of ubuntu is already built for ppc
[04:09] <thafreak> so you only need to build say, fluxbox
[04:09] <Unit193> fubuntu-desktop I'm sure won't work, right?
[04:09] <Unit193> or lubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <thafreak> well, those are meta-packages
[04:10] <thafreak> not real ones
[04:10] <Unit193> I know that... it just makes it easy :)
[04:10] <thafreak> they just are basically empty, but have a bunch of "dependancies"
[04:10] <thafreak> so the meta package isn't the problem, it's the various dependancies you'll need to make sure are built for ppc
[04:11] <Unit193> That seems like it may take a while
[04:12] <thafreak> probably not...most of the big stuff should already be there as long as ppc is a supported arch
[04:12] <thafreak> like all the packages from main
[04:12] <thafreak> universe/multiverse is the only place where there might be things missing
[04:13] <Unit193> I take it you can't just apt-get install fubuntu-desktop and see what won't work?
[20:51] <thafreak> ?
[23:02] <Unit193> ubuntu-10.10-alternate-powerpc.iso - Still no HD detected :( trying debian


[00:52] <ovidiu-florin> What is live session (Netbook) testcase? How should I test this? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases
[00:53] <ovidiu-florin> ScottK: ^
[00:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you need to run it on a netbook
[00:56] <Riddell> it'll run plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop
[00:57] <ovidiu-florin> I can just set that in a live session
[00:57] <ovidiu-florin> is the netbook necessary? isn't this enough?
[00:57] <yofel> not quite, unless someone fixed the default settings it'll be a bit different
[00:57] <ovidiu-florin> so, if I don't have a netbook, I can't test this
[00:57] <yofel> but I'm not sure on what we were regarding keeping that
[00:58] <yofel> well, you can force your VM into a small screen mode
[00:58] <ovidiu-florin> is that a good enough test?
[00:58] <yofel> should be (I think)
[00:59] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^^?
[00:59] <yofel> I can test it later on my netbook here too
[00:59] <ovidiu-florin> ah, ok
[00:59] <BarkingFish> Morning guys :)
[00:59] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try it and write the details in the comment
[00:59] <BarkingFish> Quick question - i am aware of the plasma-desktop thingy with it crashing constantly on login - do you know if there's been a fix released for that bug please?
[01:00] <BarkingFish> I'm sitting here on 393mb of updates, and I'm nervous about applying them in case I wind up locked out of plasma.  But - I don't want the pile to get much bigger...
[01:01] <yofel> BarkingFish: the bug # would help...
[01:02] <BarkingFish> that's just it. You were the first one to mention it, and I can't find you in my scrollback :(
[01:02] <BarkingFish> You had the bug number, and I can't find it on a straight text search through launchpad
[01:03] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: what's the resolution of a netbook?
[01:04] <ovidiu-florin> or should I go directly with 800x600?
[01:04] <yofel> 1024x600 usually I think
[01:05] <ovidiu-florin> and the live session should start in netbook mode automatically on boot if the resolution is small?
[01:06] <BarkingFish> yeah - 1024 * 600 on a regular 10.1in, or 1080*720 on a hi-def netbook
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm testing with 800x600 right now, I'll with that after
[01:08] <BarkingFish> gotcha, yofel - i just found it in a text search here, right at the start of my scrollback from this channel :) bug #1117365
[01:09] <BarkingFish> i just found ctrl+f in xchat :)
[01:09] <BarkingFish> and no, it doesn't look fixed. it's not even been commented on yet :(
[01:10] <BarkingFish> well I have 4.10 as part of the updates I need to apply, so I'm gonna have to leave them alone.  I'm not gonna lock myself out of plasma :)
[01:11] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I can't find it. How can I force VB to force a resolution on the virtual Machine?
[01:12] <yofel> hm, I don't think anyone has reproduced that one yet. 4.10 works fine on 3 PC's here
[01:14] <ovidiu-florin> I think that happened to my brother ^
[01:14] <yofel> ouch :/
[01:14] <ovidiu-florin> while he was updating the battery died
[01:14] <yofel> ...
[01:14] <ovidiu-florin> and when he rebooted on login plasma crashed
[01:14] <yofel> well, that's hardly surprising then
[01:15] <BarkingFish> did he finish the updates?
[01:15] <BarkingFish> you can resume busted updates to fix them before you do anything else
[01:15] <smartboyhw> Good morning:)
[01:15] <ovidiu-florin> I fixed it by finishing the updates, installing kde-workspace (it wasn't installed) and deleteing ~/.kde
[01:15] <BarkingFish> morning smartboyhw :)
[01:16] <ovidiu-florin> my presumption is that kde-workspace got uninstalled to be updated, but the battery died just before it managed to do so...
[01:16] <ovidiu-florin> or something similar to that
[01:17] <ovidiu-florin> could this be that bug?
[01:17] <ovidiu-florin> or a similar casE?
[01:17] <ovidiu-florin> this happened on a kubuntu 12.10
[01:19] <BarkingFish> ovidiu-florin, no.  This is basically you update to 4.10 and then everytime you try to launch plasma-desktop on login, it crashes out.  It looks kinda qt related, but I am very raw in kde's codebase. I know little and guess even less.
[01:19] <BarkingFish> I wouldn't touch this with thermal underwear and 12 inch thick gloves on.
[01:19] <ovidiu-florin> :)
[01:20] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll just test the installation, since I can't test the low resolution
[01:21] <ovidiu-florin> unless I change the host's resolution?
[01:22] <ovidiu-florin> nope, that doesn't work...
[01:27] <ovidiu-florin> how do I shutdown in netbook mode?
[01:31] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, do you have a terminal? sudo poweroff :P
[01:31] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[01:31] <ovidiu-florin> or add the leave widget
[01:31] <ovidiu-florin> and click on it
[01:32] <ovidiu-florin> nvmd http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases/854/results
[01:55] <ovidiu-florin> ok, finished 3 tests, I'm going to sleep now. Good night. (3:55 AM here)
[01:55] <BarkingFish> i'm going to head out too - 2.55am and my bed is calling :)
[02:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1085519] KDE SC 4.10 processes cookies differently than 4.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1085519 (by Marco Parillo)
[02:21] <valorie> wow, 4.10 upgrade was smooth, and it's beautiful
[02:21] <valorie> wow, 4.10 upgrade was smooth, and it's beautiful
[02:21] <valorie> oops, thanks for your hard work
[02:21] <valorie> silly buffer.....
[02:23] <smartboyhw> valorie, :)
[09:03] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[10:04] <lordievader> Good morning :)
[12:09] <philwyett> Hi all. Just test laoded the 12.04.2 images. The desktop image is loading the 3.2.0 kernel and not the 3.5.0 as it should and the alternate disk is failing loading kernel modules thus everything like network detection fails if you continue. Are these isue being addresed or should I start filing bugs against these?
[12:09] <philwyett> s/isue/issues
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:41] <Riddell> philwyett: what makes you think it should be 3.5?
[12:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: happy new year
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx:)
[12:42] <philwyett> Riddell:  The 12.04.2 point release is supposed to be switching to the 3.5.0 kernel and updated mesa etc. LTS quantal stack. Or do Kubuntu not folow Ubuntu with this?
[12:43] <Riddell> philwyett: we do yes so it might need a seed change
[12:43] <Riddell> philwyett: I don't suppose you have a UEFI computer?
[12:44] <philwyett> Riddell: No.
[12:45] <Riddell> mm, I still don't know how to test that stuff
[12:46] <Riddell> philwyett: ok seeds updated to use linux-generic-lts-quantal
[12:46] <Riddell> thanks for spotting that
[12:47] <philwyett> Riddell: No problem. I will test when next ISO images come available.
[12:51] <lordievader> Is it correct that the release notes of 12.04.2 are not pointing to release notes but to news? Is this because it is not released yet?
[12:56] <philwyett> lordievader: Not seen release notes. Knew it is sheduled for release Thursday and then Riddell's cal for testing on the mailing list and work via QA site.
[12:57] <lordievader> philwyett: I ment in the test image. But if the release notes themselfs do not exist it isn't strange the link points to something else.
[13:00] <philwyett> lordievader: Not really a high issue on my todo at the minute for 12.04.2. Just installed the test Ubuntu image and while it does load the 3.5 kernel. It is not installing the mesa 9.0 etc. stil instaling mesa 8.0.4.
[13:01] <lordievader> Of course it is not a big issue, just thought it would be good to mention it.
[13:02] <philwyett> lordievader: There will be some reason and Ok indeed to mention it. Not got a clue myself.
[13:48] <yofel_> philwyett: where did it say that 12.04 was supposed to get mesa 0.9? The kernel did get a backport, but I can't see anything higher than mesa 8.0.4 for precise
[13:49] <yofel> hm
[13:49]  * yofel totally forgot about bug 1112227
[13:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh?
[13:50] <yofel> smartboyhw: if that's oh regards NM, we need this: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.de/2013/01/plasma-nm-0907.html
[13:50] <philwyett> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:50] <yofel> philwyett: thanks
[13:52] <philwyett> yofel: As I read it the quantal kernel is only to be supported with the rest of the stack (no mixing). So if quantal kernel is default, the the xorg and mesa should be quantal to at instal time.
[13:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: do you have time to work on it? otherwise I'll do it
[13:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, you do it.... I have Android source building here.
[13:53] <yofel> hehe, sure
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Sorry for that:P
[13:56] <yofel> "For the 12.04.2 CD's and DVD's, we will message that anyone installing and wishing to remain on the original 12.04 stack to please install from the 12.04.0 or 12.04.1 media and update. "
[13:56] <yofel> Riddell: we might want to put that on the download page ^
[13:57] <yofel> which would need an additional link to old-releases.ubuntu.com then
[14:02] <Riddell> mm yes
[14:02] <yofel> philwyett: you don't by chance know the full package list for the quantal backport stack
[14:02] <yofel> ?
[14:02] <Riddell> I wonder what else needs changed in the seed
[14:02] <yofel> as I also see xserver-xorg-core-lts-quantal
[14:02] <yofel> mesa-common-dev-lts-quantal
[14:03] <yofel> (now I'm out of ideas what to look for)
[14:03] <Riddell> I don't see those in the ubuntu.precise seeds
[14:03] <smartboyhw> That's a LOT
[14:03] <yofel> smartboyhw: well, that's pretty much the base hardware support stack
[14:03] <yofel> (a lot indeed)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> x11-xserver-utils-lts-quantal
[14:03] <smartboyhw> xserver-xorg-video-modesetting-lts-quantal
[14:04] <smartboyhw> BTW: in Launchpad 1 → 20 of 27400 pages matching "lts-quantal"
[14:04] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[14:04] <yofel> this is what aptitude finds: http://paste.kde.org/668720
[14:05] <yofel> we probably only need half a dozen of those though
[14:05] <smartboyhw> yofel, we can compare it to our current seed:)
[14:06] <yofel> true
[14:06] <shadeslayer> or ... you know ... check the ubuntu seed
[14:07] <philwyett> yofel: Not sure the complete list. The stack is at min kernel, xorg and mesa. Kernel is known. Maybe bryce can list his side?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> No, check the ISOs' manifest
[14:08] <yofel> seed should be smaller than manifest
[14:11] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:23] <philwyett> Filed a bug about mesa and quantal stack for 12.04 and failed the ISO on QA.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> oh no;p
[14:26] <philwyett> lol Feel my pain. I have just had to install and run Ubuntu with unity for a while. <shudder>. ;-)
[15:03] <ovidiu-florin> Hello world, I just finished annother test on the new iso, and I found out that there was a new built allready, so the results I provided were useless. How can I find out when a new built is released, so that I don't do all these tests for nothing?
[15:04] <ovidiu-florin> I'm reffering to the 12.04.2 build
[15:05] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, subscribe to it through ISO tracker
[15:05] <smartboyhw> In ISO Tracker click on the testcases for Kubuntu
[15:06] <smartboyhw> 'Precise 12.04.2' -> 'Kubuntu Desktop amd64'
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Tick all the testcases, and click 'Subscribe' under 'Actions'
[15:06] <smartboyhw> then you will receive the emails for newest builds
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: yeah, kind of sucks when that happens
[15:10] <shadeslayer> but something went unnoticed and most of the kernel/X bits are apparently outdated
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> but not all tests were performed
[15:11] <shadeslayer> hm?
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> why was a new built created if not all tests were performed?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> because stuff was outdated ?
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> look: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases
[15:11] <shadeslayer> it doesn't matter if the tests were not performed
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> because stuff was outdated
[15:12] <shadeslayer> stuff = X and kernel bits from what I can tell from the log
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> where's the ISO tracker?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, dumb iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> I was there..
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> ahaaaa
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank's
[15:16] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, LOL
[15:16] <yofel> Riddell: did you update the seeds?
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> what's precise daily?
[15:20] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, don't care for it now please:P
[15:20] <ovidiu-florin> ok...
[15:21] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, it is normally for daily image testing. Between 12.04.1 and 12.04.2 (and 12.04.2 and 12.04.3) the dailies are kept being built and people can submit results of testing of these dailies (no one would normally thougu)
[15:22] <ovidiu-florin> becouse they are submitted two often?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, yes
[15:24] <smartboyhw> And probably people care more about the raring images:P
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> allways for the new version
[15:27] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, OF COURSE
[16:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you order dem tablets?
[19:09] <Riddell> yofel: I switched to linux-generic-lts-quantal in the seeds
[19:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah I did
[19:11] <yofel> Riddell: and the rest? kernel 3.5 + mesa 8 isn't supported by ubuntu
[19:12] <yofel> so we need to switch everything or nothing
[21:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: I see. We've got to do plasma builds then
[21:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ up for it?
[22:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: plasma builds?
[22:55] <Riddell> yofel: I didn't see a mesa change in the seed but I'll look closer tomorrow
[22:58] <yofel> Riddell: hm, true. Needs a closer look indeed
[22:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: like ARM builds
[22:58] <Quintasan> so we can actually install it there
[22:58] <Quintasan> plasma active I mean
[23:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: we have arm builds on raring
[23:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: I installed it fine on the nexus but touch doesn't work on qml
[23:00] <Riddell> which is a bit of a limitation
[23:01] <philwyett> Riddell yofel: The update is more than just mesa of course. It's xorg, drm, wayland and many others by what can be seen. But see bug 1121179 as todays ubuntu ISO is installing the 3.5 kernel but none of the other packages.
[23:02] <yofel> well. That would be a bug in the seed though. not mesa
[23:03] <Riddell> yeah suggests there's something else to do done in the seeds I didn't see
[23:03] <Riddell> I'll look tomorrow unless someone else gets there first
[23:03] <yofel> philwyett: poke around in #ubuntu-quality to make sure someone noticed
[23:04] <philwyett> I will tomorow. Also the page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack section 9 sub 1. Heper packages for upgrades. I'd love to know what they are. ;-)
[23:04] <philwyett> s/Heper/Helper
[23:10] <philwyett> yofel: Ok, asked in #ubuntu-quality. Saw the time and I have some before I go to bed. :-)
[23:22] <yofel> thanks, it would be good to get this cleared up as it seems like most main and flavour seeds only ship the new kernel (if anything new at all)
[23:22] <philwyett> Somethig you may want to read that I have found https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-xorg-lts-updates
[23:24] <yofel> lot's still TODO there considering we're 3 days away from 12.04.2...
[23:25] <philwyett> Yes. I have emailed Canonical regarding this and as you say how close we are to release day and not much time to QA the ISO images once al seems to be fixed.


[08:08] <persia> lool, I found another workaround for the hda/hdb thing : if one selects the "Advanced" button from the final screen of ubiquity, one can select the target device.  Could you verify this also works for you?  I think it's probably easier to explain to users than the process with the ISO.
[10:26] <persia> ogra, Didn't you solve bug #274786?  It looks solved to me, but I wanted to check before closing it, as it's assigned to you.
[11:02] <ogra> persia, oh, sorry, forgot to close it
[11:03] <ogra> done
[17:28] <bspencer> lool: howdy.  is there a webpage for the next UDS yet?  What are the dates/location ?
[17:29] <persia> bspencer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty : we'll see you there?
[17:35] <bspencer> maaaayyybe
[17:36] <bspencer> I'd love to go
[17:40] <persia> bspencer, It's closer to you this time, isn't it?
[17:40] <bspencer> yep.  although I'm not sure the distance is a factor
[17:41] <bspencer> but it is convenient
[17:41] <ogra> its the "no excuses allowed" UDS
[17:42] <persia> One thing that local makes possible, is to only come for a couple days.  I don't know that the schedule is fixed yet, but I do know that in the past people have come to only some days of a UDS to hit some of their key topics.  Depends on how much time you can take in December.
[17:42] <persia> (and by "local" I mean "not subject to significant jet lag")
[19:44] <lool> bspencer: Would love to see you there
[19:48] <ogra> lool, bribe him with a free beer ;)
[20:14] <lool> bspencer: There will be free wifi!
[20:14] <lool> and free software!
[20:17] <bspencer> wow!
[20:17] <bspencer> and t-shirts?
[20:20] <ogra> sure
[20:20] <ogra> and CDs
[20:23] <ogra> and we could promise you one free beer from the team petty cash ;)
[20:43] <lool> bspencer: And free hugs
[20:44] <bspencer> awww, ubuntu is just like one big geeky family


[04:13] <saxonww> hello, I am trying to find the right place to ask whether there are https mirrors for ppa.launchpad.net
[04:16] <saxonww> I realize TLS is not really necessary from a package security perspective, but my ISP has some kind of proxying set up such that it hijacks http, and it frequently breaks, leaving me unable to apt upgrade. I was able to use an https mirror to work around this with the main Ubuntu repos, so I was hoping to find similar mirrors for ppa.
[10:20] <rbasak> More link spam of this new style: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1721223/comments/31
[10:21] <rbasak> Are they running some kind of markov chain generator on the existing bug to make an comment that uses the right sort of words?
[13:55] <zyga> hello
[13:55] <zyga> some interesting spam https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1721223
[13:56] <zyga> it takes a few random paragraphs from the top of the page
[13:56] <zyga> adds an image to the thread
[13:56] <zyga> and responds to the thread with a spam link
[14:40] <wgrant> zyga: I'm afk now, can you report it on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad and I'll get to it in the morning?
[14:40] <zyga> sure
[14:43] <wgrant> Thanks
[15:06] <rbasak> zyga: I've been seeing (and reporting) those too
[15:07] <rbasak> I believe I called it "interesting" too :)
[15:07] <zyga> thanks
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> Not sure, but the build farm looks like it might be stuck.
[18:18] <cjwatson> Eickmeyer: fixed
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson: Thanks!
[21:15] <mwhudson> oh whoops i think that bug spam has been reported 3 times now


[16:09] <k1l_> udateprobs>  iv set up accounts on the dark web, asking people to contact you here for cp
[16:09] <k1l_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:09] <ikonia> good for him
 k1l_, he is spamming for days now     regarding CoolGuy_> http://i.imgur.com/X68XjjX.jpg
[19:01] <k1l_> ok, looked into the logs, he was spamming that debian picture several times in june now besides other offtopics
[23:14] <bazhang> * [Testicles] #ubuntu #freenode ##chat
[23:14] <bazhang> nice
[23:17] <k1l_> 2016-06-06:02:51:54-!- whoaz [whoa@unaffiliated/stupid] has joined #ubuntu
[23:17] <k1l_> this nick rings some bells
[23:18] <bazhang> some bells that cannot be unrung
[23:18] <k1l_> or his old nick "derp"
[23:20] <bazhang> codfections wants some chilling
[23:21] <k1l_> after he got his entry issues to the new os solved he got a bit chatty.
[23:21] <bazhang> 'get a mac' is apparently good support advice


[10:41] <froud> African Greetings
[11:29] <maskie> froud you should take it slow on a sunday ... morning
[11:30] <froud-work> :-) tell my customers that
[11:30] <froud-work> I have to write two brochures today, one on Inventory Optimization and one on Business Inteligence
[11:31] <froud-work> and the bottle of Zonneblom Merlot I had last night is not helping
[11:31] <maskie> i can imagine ....
[11:32] <maskie> have you any idea when Thomas is leaving TSF?
[11:33] <froud-work> he said this is his lat month
[11:33] <froud-work> last
[11:33] <froud-work> when I spoke to him last he was busy wrapping up stuff
[11:34] <froud-work> I think he is still negotiating doing contract work fro GOS
[11:35] <maskie> i see ... thanks ... so they would need somebody from 1 May which is in a week!
[11:36] <froud-work> I guess, but you know these types of orgs move slow
[11:36] <froud-work> Knysna dude
[11:38] <maskie> yes i know ... almost as slow as the gov ... Knysna????
[11:39] <froud-work> Like everything in Knysna, is hey chill bro and pass the spliff
[11:39] <froud-work> knysna dude
[11:40] <froud-work> no sense of urgency
[11:40] <maskie> ok gotit .. african time
[11:41] <froud-work> :-), yeah, I can speak to tsblack and see how he is doing. maybe get some feedback without mentioning you
[11:41] <froud-work> hint for you
[11:41] <maskie> thanks would appreciate it ....
[11:42] <maskie> all the help will be appreciated
[11:42] <froud-work> ;-) lekker
[11:43] <maskie> i will now leave you to carru on with your work ... while i run to the shop .. see ya later
[11:43] <froud-work> Ok and milk the cows while you are out there
[11:43] <froud-work> cheers
[11:44] <maskie> will do
[12:04] <mdke> froud-work, some one has written a script to check the status and grab po files from rosetta... i'm taking a look at it now
[12:04] <froud-work> cool
[12:08] <mdke> looks pretty cool
[12:14] <mdke> can't get it working atm
[12:24] <mdke> froud-work, ok it works, its mad cool
[12:24] <froud-work> document it in wiki and checkin the script to svn
[12:25] <mdke> i need to edit it to do the docteam stuff
[12:25] <froud-work> sure, once you have done that
[12:25] <mdke> this is it on the author's project: http://pastebin.ca/10185
[12:25] <mdke> froud-work, problem is, it will only work for me
[12:25] <froud-work> yes you need a user and pass
[12:25] <mdke> oh no, maybe it will work for everyone
[12:26] <froud-work> but that is good
[12:26] <mdke> froud-work, i think normal user should have sufficient permissions to get the po files
[12:26] <froud-work> ok
[12:26] <froud-work> sorry working today, cant stop and chat to much
[12:26] <mdke> we can test it if I manage to edit it successfully
[12:26] <mdke> np froud-work i'll see ya later
[12:26] <froud-work> ok
[01:19] <mdke> ok it works a treat
[01:20] <froud-work> magic, eventually we will be able to automate the whole thing as much possible giving more time for core work :-) love it dude. thanks
[01:20] <mdke> i'm not going to commit it for two reasons: 1. rosetta hasn't got any breezy translations and urls might change; 2. I haven't figured out how to get it to put the files in specific lang directories yet
[01:20] <mdke> froud-work, but i'll use it for checking the status of hoary translations
[01:20] <mdke> then when rosetta goes breezy, i'll sort it and check it in
[01:21] <froud-work> commit to teamstuff and add this information as comments to the files head.
[01:21] <froud-work> This way we can all get visability and people may come to the table with solutions
[01:21] <froud-work> th emore eye-balls the better
[01:21] <froud-work> :-)
[01:27] <mdke> sure
[01:27] <mdke> i'll post to the list
[01:27] <mdke> i don't know python so someone can probably help
[01:28] <froud-work> exactly. we need to try capture such gems into our processes and automate them as best possible if we are to cope when the pressure mounts.
[01:31] <mdke> yup
[01:31] <mdke> the guy who wrote the script is the author of a program in rosetta (not ubuntu related) called gnome-recipe-manager ;)
[01:32] <froud-work> He he, perhaps if I tell my mrs. about it she will finally allow me to move her computer to Linux :-)
[01:32] <mdke> you'll need krecipe-manager i guess...
[01:32] <froud-work> I'll be happy with just gnome, just want her to move from windows
[01:32] <mdke> :))
[01:33] <mdke> http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/
[01:33] <froud-work> showed her that OOo Calc can run her Excell sheets and formulas the other day, so we are one step closer, I think
[01:33] <mdke> cool
[01:33] <mdke> keep working
[01:34] <mdke> i'll get my gf on linux if it kills me
[01:34] <froud-work> yeah, but she is a windows die-hard
[01:34] <froud-work> laggard delux when it comes to technology changes
[01:34] <mdke> my parents are like that
[01:34] <froud-work> she will move when everyone else has done so :-)
[01:35] <mdke> tell her using linux is cool
[01:35] <froud-work> you know, when we are finished with the application layer of the docteam, we will have a kick-ass system here
[01:35] <mdke> :)
[01:36] <mdke> i'm just going for a shower
[01:36] <froud-work> other projects manage i18n externally, but with us it is integral
[01:45] <mdke> heh
[09:04] <abelli> does anybody here know what burning app is going to be supported in ubuntu?


[03:21] <new_guest_21> Hi, quick question. I learnt recently that you can add ip routes to a custom table in firewall configuration (e.g. for WireGuard). I would like to know what characters are allowed in the table's name. Specifically, are alphanumerics and _ (underscore) allowed, or is it just numbers? (I've seen quite a few examples that use '1234' and '123' as table
[03:21] <new_guest_21> names.)
[03:21] <new_guest_21> E.g. command to give you an idea of what the 'table name' is that I'm referring to: `ip rule add iif wg0 table 123`
[03:38] <new_guest_21> Ah, shoot. That was a dumb question considering there are default tables named 'default' and 'main'. :P
[03:38] <new_guest_21> Must rest now.
[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:52] <koeretwqa> hi! i have a problem with setting up ufw on a diskless client running ubuntu server via NFS. whenever I enable UFW the system hangs because there must be some rule which is preventing system to get NFS packets from the NFS server. If I set DEFAULT_INPUT_POLICY to ACCEPT, then it works ok (but not something I'd desire). I tried all possible rules
[08:52] <koeretwqa> already to even allow all traffic from local network, but it still hangs the system... I would really appreciate any tip that would led me into the right direction... Thanks!
[18:20] <atjb> Hello - please could I ask for help installing a Linux Image package
[18:20] <atjb> I'm following a tutorial to run an ubuntu-KVM
[18:21] <atjb> And windows inside of it - https://medium.com/axon-technologies/installing-a-windows-virtual-machine-in-a-linux-docker-container-c78e4c3f9ba1
[18:21] <atjb> At step 7 I'm getting an 'unable to find package' when I try to run apt-get install
[18:23] <atjb> The result of my $(name -r) is 5.4.0-88-generic - so I guess I'm looking for something else that will work that I can install instead?
[18:28] <pycurious> anyone has any experience with cors problem in nginx with python servers - https://dpaste.org/8Nvj ? I could use some help. Thanks.
[18:28] <sarnold> atjb: that feels pretty strange.. I didn't think the containers would be able to load kernel modules
[18:29] <atjb> It's the first time I've tried the tutorial - but it makes sense.  In my experience, containers run pretty much anything inside them
[18:29] <atjb> But then again - I'm a novice
[18:42] <atjb> Ok - I've done a search and there's linux-image-5.4.0-87-generic & linux-image-5.4.0-89-generic - Signed kernel image generic available
[18:43] <atjb> uName on my build is 5.4.0-88-generic
[18:44] <atjb> Should I go for one version before or after?
[18:44] <atjb> I can't imagine it'll make much difference?
[18:45] <sarnold> it's probably worth rebooting into the newer kernel
[18:45] <sarnold> though I think we're doing kernel updates today, I'm not sure if those are out the door yet or not
[18:48] <atjb> Ok - fair enough, I'm just going to run with it
[18:48] <atjb> It's a learning exercise so no worries if it fails :)
[19:00] <TJ-> why put a VM hypervisor inside a docker container? That does seem extremely silly
[19:03] <sarnold> that was my first thought too, but I realized I don't know off-hand how to do the "differential disks" kind of thing in libvirt and this guide knows a way to not bother learning it :)
[19:22] <TJ-> differential disks?
[19:22] <TJ-> Isn't that what we have on our tractors!?
[19:22] <sarnold> dunno how else to say "let ten instances all share a qcow2 or zfs dataset and only write their own changes"
[19:23] <sarnold> lol
[19:23]  * genii makes vroom vroom sounds in the corner
[19:23] <TJ-> genii: more of a constant roar if you please :)
[19:26] <TJ-> sarnold: looks simple to do for me at least; LVM snapshots
[19:27] <sarnold> TJ-: ah I never got the hang of lvm :)
[19:27] <TJ-> it's SO simple and flexible :)
[19:27] <sarnold> I think it's something that would just happen if you use zvols backing storage but I've not actually tried it myself..
[19:31] <TJ-> pvcreate /dev/sda1; vgcreate VG /dev/sda1; lvcreate -n VM-base -L 30G VG; ... lvcreate --snapshot --size 1G --name snap01 VG/VM-base
[19:33] <TJ-> and of course the space can be thin-provisioned and images RAIDed and shared over iSCSI
[19:41] <sdeziel> qcow2 files can have backing files and possibly backing device (never tested the later). I'd be curious to have a qcow2 "delta" file backed by a base zvol ;)
[19:41] <atjb> I guess I'm just learning, so I dunno if putting a hypervisor inside. Docker container is a good idea or not
[19:42] <atjb> But at my stage I'm putting everything inside docker containers - so I guess I want to try this
[19:42] <atjb> I'd like a Remote Desktop, and this looks a good way to get one
[20:06] <patdk-lap> well the issue is, by the time you make kvm work inside a docker container, you have removed all security of the docker container, so it's pointless


[00:56] <klynch> Hi channel
[16:20] <klynch> Hi all
[23:57] <klynch> What version is everyone using?