[10:02] <schasi> What is ubotu?
[10:03] <sri__> stupid bot
[10:03] <Danko3> good stuff, anyhow, a cat I have here for keeping just puked all over my bed:( haha,...stupid girl she fed the cat milk...I hate people that do that...
[10:03] <bob2> sri__: dpkg -L xserver-xorg | grep bin
[10:03] <Danko3> well, she had good intentions, I guess.
[10:04] <sri__> bob2 i know, that package has it .. but unfortuantely it installs symlink, instead of the executable file
[10:06] <johnnybe1ak> hey
[10:06] <herpes> hi
[10:06] <johnnybe1ak> sorry just thought the net dropped off
[10:06] <Danko3> herpes, Id say hi, but dunno if Ill get infected.
[10:07] <Danko3> JaneW: :)
[10:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, hi
[10:07] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco
[10:07] <JaneW> herpes, catchy nick!
[10:07] <Danko3> haha, come one.
[10:07] <Danko3> on
[10:08] <Danko3> you guys make me laugh, many thanks...:)
[10:08] <JaneW> herpes, so you do viruses then?
[10:09] <herpes> JaneW, i stay away from them if i can help it
[10:10] <sri__> bob2 could you please send me your Xorg executable? (through dcc send)
[10:10] <bob2> no
[10:10] <sri__> :(
[10:10] <bob2> if nothing else, I'm using hoary
[10:10] <sri__> bob2, no send that
[10:10] <bob2> no
[10:11] <bob2> you can download that yourself
[10:11] <johnnybe1ak> how do i configure the colours in my xterm?
[10:11] <freewoody> bob2, are you in Ubuntu too ?
[10:11] <bob2> I'm not going to encourage people on IRC to run random executables from strangers
[10:11] <sri__> bob2 i dont want to download the entire package, as i dont have enough bandwidth now
[10:11] <sri__> bob2 or how can I download the executable file alone?
[10:12] <Danko3> now, bob2, watch...
[10:12] <Danko3> !DSL
[10:12] <bob2> sri__: it's 6MB.
[10:12] <sri__> bob2 bzip size?
[10:12] <Danko3> ok, well, I should haev saved that long typing out, since it did not work...
[10:13] <sri__> bob2 no, even 6mb is too much
[10:13] <bob2> sri__: ok.
[10:13] <Dalkus> My monitor suddenly just....switched off, and no matter what I do, I cant get any power into it. I've tried using several differnt leads from several differnt plugs
[10:13] <Dalkus> I can't beleive the monitor died.... It has been fine and shown no signs of dying
[10:13] <sri__> bob2 send me Xorg file alone
[10:13] <Dalkus> Any advice please?
[10:13] <bob2> no, sorry, I'm not going to send it
[10:13] <Danko3> bob2: umm...you said, /msg ubotu foo is bar ? did not work, I think.
[10:13] <Danko3> ubotu: DSL
[10:13] <bob2> and you shouldn't be running binaries from people you don't know on IRC
[10:14] <sri__> damn
[10:14] <bob2> ubotu: foo is bar
[10:14] <ubotu> ...but foo is already something else...
[10:14] <johnnybe1ak> Dalkus: sometimes these things are sudden, did your monitor have funeral insurance?
[10:14] <bob2> Danko3: perhaps it has you on /ignore
[10:14] <Dalkus> johnnybe1ak, nope - you think it died?? It was fine! :\
[10:14] <Danko3> I have him open, he sends me messages.
[10:14] <litro> HELLO
[10:14] <johnnybe1ak> Dalkus: haha i dont know, sounds dead to me though
[10:14] <sege> which is the next version of ubuntu and how stable is it? getting tired of stable old hoary =)
[10:14] <Dalkus> mrph, well - thanks
[10:14] <Danko3> but not the one I just typed out a long thing for:( and didnt copy and paste... Ill read the bloot bot docs, later...
[10:15] <bob2> sege: breezy, and no, it's not stable
[10:15] <freewoody> bob2, are you there ?
[10:15] <bob2> sege: please read the /topic
[10:15] <bob2> freewoody: no
[10:15] <johnnybe1ak> sege: read the topic
[10:15] <litro> somebody speak spanish?
[10:15] <bob2> litro: #ubuntu-es
[10:15] <freewoody> bob2, please check my Exim log at: http://pastebin.com/293154
[10:15] <bob2> freewoody: pick. one. channel.
[10:15] <Danko3> !ara los usuarios ubuntu habla hispa?a que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #ubuntu-es
[10:15] <ubotu> You are moron #2, Danko3
[10:15] <Danko3> thanks.
[10:15] <freewoody> I prefer Ubuntu
[10:16] <Danko3> this one even counts who is which number...
[10:16] <Tyche> Is there some sort of ubuntu firewall that would hinder connections to ports?
[10:16] <Tyche> even if they are open using "nmap locahost"
[10:16] <athlon> Tyche, iptables ?
[10:16] <phend> hi all. does anyone know any decent tutorials for writing threaded apps with python?
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Tyche: not by default
[10:16] <dbernar1_> !DSL
[10:17] <litro> thanks
[10:17] <litro> but
[10:17] <bob2> phend: avoid if at all possible
[10:17] <phend> bob2, my task in work today is to learn how to do it :/
[10:17] <bob2> phend: ouch :)
[10:17] <freewoody> Can somebody check if my Exim config is Ok:  http://pastebin.com/293156
[10:17] <phend> bob2, hehe
[10:17] <phend> bob2, how come you don't like it?
[10:17] <bob2> freewoody: please stop it
[10:17] <bob2> freewoody: you're not using ubuntu
[10:18] <freewoody> Well I am using Ubuntu on my Home PC
[10:18] <litro> somebody know some web with ubuntu's package aplications?
[10:18] <sege> bob2, johnnybe1ak: i know it isn't 'stable', i wondered how unstable it is, hoary was usable and nice in december i think so it should be possible to use the next one soon. =)
[10:18] <bob2> sege: broken as in X doesn't start and it wasn't possible to login via a terminal for a few days
[10:18] <freewoody> hey bob2, help me this once with the Exim thing? I will get this job if I did things right
[10:18] <bob2> sege: wait a while, there will be an anouncement when it's ready for user testing
[10:18] <Danko3> freewoody: I never seen that file, I dont know how it should look, try at the channel of the distro it is for.
[10:19] <sege> bob2: haha, oki then, i'll wait a while ;)
[10:19] <bob2> phend: twisted python just seems nicer
[10:19] <freewoody> Does nobody here uses Exim Mail Server ???
[10:19] <bob2> and you can't deadlock it, etc
[10:19] <phend> bob2, never heard of that
[10:19] <freewoody> I am surprised
[10:20] <bob2> freewoody: you have been warned numerous times
[10:20] <Danko3> oh, its a exim program, not a distro, tried man exim?
[10:20] <bob2> phend: www.twistedpython.com, do multiple things at once without threads
[10:20] <phend> bob2, cool, i'll take a look
[10:20] <athlon> there is an exim distro ?
[10:20] <Choubaka> no :P
[10:20] <Danko3> dunno, never heard of exim.
[10:20] <bob2> it's a MTA, like postfix
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> umm
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> old yhings
[10:21] <Danko3> no, Ive aptitude searched since we talked about it...
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> s/yhing/thing
[10:21] <Danko3> right, got that, smith|offglasses.
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> ...
[10:21] <liz4rd> how do i install xfce4
[10:22] <Danko3> sudo aptitude install xfce4
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> when I try to run xmame fullscreen, it crashes and says "XDGA: info: found 1 modes: OSD: Info: Ideal mode for this game = 304x224.  no suitable mode found.  X11: Warning: Couldn't create display for new x11-mode
[10:22] <freewoody> bob2, have you looked at my Exim config file ?
[10:22] <Danko3> nice, I got an idea:)
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> how do I add a mode to xorg to appease this?
[10:22] <smith|offglasses> (and you got a suck xfce4)
[10:23] <bob2> freewoody: I answered you in #debian, now leave this channel or be quiet
[10:23] <JohnnyRotten> are there any programs for ubuntu like google/msn desktop search
[10:23] <Danko3> no, he will get it, are you trolling by any chance, smith|offglasses?
[10:23] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: beagle, but it's not quite ready
[10:23] <liz4rd> how do i change the root pass?
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> why does everyone ask that?
[10:24] <Danko3> hey, that smith guy was from my country...
[10:24] <bob2> phend: heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/%7Ematloff/Python/PyThreads.pdf
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> liz4rd: sudo passwd, if you must know
[10:24] <bob2> liz4rd: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:24] <Danko3> liz4rd: if that command asked you for a password, it asked you for yours, btw.
[10:24] <JohnnyRotten> bob2, is the a place to download a deb of it to try it out?
[10:24] <bob2> liz4rd: it's also in the FAQ, and the installer popped up a screen about it during the install, which you had to say "ok" to
[10:24] <freewoody> bob2, can't you help me out with this Exim thing ?
[10:25] <liz4rd> well it wont change my pass
[10:25] <liz4rd> for su
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> bob2: really?  I don't recall that, and I've done several installs with people
[10:25] <athlon> freewoody, maybe #exim would be a better place to ask
[10:26] <my_haz_> hello i am tring to install ash
[10:26] <bob2> liz4rd: read the wiki page I told you about
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> anyway, xorg, how do I add a proper mode for 304x224?
[10:26] <my_haz_> when i say sudo apt-get install ash
[10:26] <marck1> dears, I have a problem with Hoary on a Pc. When I attach my USB key the system hang. If I unplug the key.. nothing change and I need to violently reboot. How can i resolve this kind of things?
[10:26] <my_haz_> its says that it can't find it, what should i do
[10:26] <dbernar1_> marck1, please consider anger management for the violent reboots, I dont know how to fixc the issue with the computer tho;)
[10:27] <bob2> my_haz_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SyanpticHowto, it's in the universe repository
[10:27] <marck1> dbernar1_, dunno should i do, probably related to acpi.. a parameter passed on boot.
[10:28] <my_haz_> bob2: thanks i will have a look
[10:28] <Danko3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto my_haz_
[10:28] <mpatton> ubuntu rules...sorry just had to say that
[10:28] <Danko3> bob2: just one letter wrong, is all...
[10:28] <Danko3> so he does not ask you again...
[10:28] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys i'm using fluxbox as my WM, and I wan't the gnome icons/etc to work. normally i put "gnome-settings-daemon" in my .xsession but for some reason that's not working. any ideas?
[10:29] <bob2> johnnybe1ak: you mean on the desktop?
[10:29] <Danko3> mpatton: please go to a channel where they like ubuntu, and say stuff like that;)
[10:29] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: searc the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) for Beagle, there's a page explaining how to get it on hoary
[10:29] <marck1> anyone knows parameters for linux boot to resolve system hang when plug a usb key?
[10:29] <JohnnyRotten> okay thanks
[10:30] <Danko3> marck1: just give some time.
[10:30] <bob2> marck1: try noacpi and noapic
[10:30] <mpatton> just testing irc...take care all
[10:31] <johnnybe1ak> @bob2: um im not sure i get you
[10:31] <Danko3> ubotu qotd1 is '(03:28:48) mpatton: ubuntu rules...sorry just had to say that ... (03:29:36) Danko3: mpatton: please go to a channel where they like ubuntu, and say stuff like that;)'
[10:31] <ubotu> ...but qotd1 is already something else...
[10:31] <Danko3>  ubotu qotd2 is '(03:28:48) mpatton: ubuntu rules...sorry just had to say that ... (03:29:36) Danko3: mpatton: please go to a channel where they like ubuntu, and say stuff like that;)'
[10:31] <ubotu> ...but qotd2 is already something else...
[10:31] <bob2> johnnybe1ak: what do you want to do?
[10:31] <Danko3> ok, enough, I know.
[10:31] <bob2> Danko3: a) that's not very quotable, b) do it in /msg
[10:31] <Danko3> bob2: youre just jellaous noone picked your quote for teh day...
[10:32] <johnnybe1ak> @bob2: just run gnome-settings-daemon so that the themes work in my apps
[10:32] <johnnybe1ak> @bob2: when I log in to flux
[10:32] <Danko3> !qotd3
[10:32] <ubotu> ams | bob2, And you are amazingly stupid.
[10:32] <bob2> Danko3: you picked your own quote of the day
[10:32] <bob2> johnnybe1ak: oh, right
[10:32] <Danko3> bob2: dont you get jokes?
[10:33] <Danko3> bob2: why did the bot just diss you.
[10:33] <liz4rd> how would i install xfce4?
[10:33] <liz4rd> threw apt-get?
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> yo
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> apt-get install xfce4
[10:33] <Danko3> liz4rd: did sudo aptitude install xfce4 fail?
[10:33] <bob2> liz4rd: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the universe repository
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> or whatever is called
[10:33] <bob2> Danko3: this is exactly why I didn't want a bot
[10:34] <Danko3> bob2: we will work on it.
[10:34] <Danko3> we=I, me...
[10:34] <bob2> Danko3: you're the person who is currently misusing it
[10:34] <johnnybe1ak> who wanted a bot
[10:34] <Danko3> bob2: get off my case already with the bot...
[10:34] <bob2> wtf
[10:34] <Danko3> I didnt tell it anything, ubotu: ams | bob2, And you are amazingly stupid.
[10:35] <Danko3> I didnt specify that...
[10:35] <johnnybe1ak> play nicely children spread the ubuntu
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> you could have a bot like dpkg that tells which repositories whatever package is in
[10:35] <Danko3> I  just wanna see, and you shoul dlearn more than 5 negative terms, already
[10:35] <bob2> Danko3: please just stop using it in the channel
[10:35] <bob2> tiglionabbit: it does that already!
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> oh
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> then why don't we use it?
[10:35] <bob2> tiglionabbit: you can!
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> okay cool, how?
[10:36] <bob2> ubotu: info ash
[10:36] <bob2> ok, it's still set to /msg that to people
[10:36] <bob2> instead of saying itin the channel, but it does work
[10:37] <Danko3> bob2: thats more constructive feedback, at least I know what you mean, anyhow, there is good use for the bot in the channel, and I am trying to learn how to use it, I am not "abusing" it, that is what i meant when I said you should learn moer than 5 negative terms, its not all black and white bob2.
[10:37] <X7C> how can i reconfig grub but using the ncurses interface?
[10:37] <Danko3> anyhiow, thanks.
[10:37] <Amaranth> bob2: it PMs you if the output is too long
[10:37] <X7C> i mean the auto config thingie....
[10:37] <Amaranth> bob2: > 128 chars, iirc
[10:37] <bob2> Amaranth: hm, the limit is set too low then, I guess
[10:37] <Amaranth> ubotu: info python-xdg
[10:37] <IIIEars> info Canonical
[10:37] <Amaranth> yes, too low
[10:38] <Amaranth> and it shouldn't tell me it's updating ubuntu files, it should just do it
[10:38] <Amaranth> cafuego: ping?
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> info w32codecs
[10:38] <bob2> cafuego: can you up the "switch to /msg mode" limit a bit? things like "info ash" should come into the channel
[10:38] <Amaranth> btw, it doesn't tell you if it's in universe
[10:38] <Danko3> ubotu info mplayer
[10:39] <bob2> cafuego: (and thanks again!)
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> ubotu info vlc
[10:39] <bob2> Amaranth: yeah it does
[10:39] <Amaranth> bob2: did you ever figure out how to authenticate with it?
 unfortunately, debian is disabled in my configuration <--wtf
[10:40] <liz4rd> dammit i cant change the root password
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> ubotu info mplayer
[10:40] <bob2> liz4rd: yes, you can
[10:40] <bob2> liz4rd: you've been told 4 ways to find out how
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> ubotu info xmame-x
[10:40] <bob2> liz4rd: and someone told you directly
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> =\
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> does too exist
[10:41] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: pm the bot, please
[10:41] <bob2> liz4rd: and you don't need to change it, anyway
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: when I do that, it asys "unfortunately, debian is disabled in my configuration"
[10:41] <guptan> why do we have libpango version 1.0 in ubuntu but pango.org showing current stable version 1.2.5?
[10:41] <liz4rd> why is there no use for it?
[10:41] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: then don't use it, please don't spam us with commands
[10:42] <lewwy> lol
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> hey, I was just testing it out
[10:42] <lewwy> judging by the topic
[10:42] <Danko3> Amaranth: please tell me the syntax to make the bot only see what I am asking it...
[10:42] <lewwy> lots of ppl have been using breezy
[10:42] <lewwy> and it blows
[10:42] <lewwy> correct?
[10:42] <Amaranth> it breaks things
[10:42] <lewwy> hmmm
[10:42] <bob2> lewwy: things are broken
[10:42] <bob2> lewwy: then they complain
[10:42] <lewwy> i still cant figure out why if its broken
[10:42] <bob2> lewwy: just don't use it yet
[10:42] <lewwy> the beta is released
[10:43] <lewwy> im not intending to
[10:43] <bob2> lewwy: no, it's not
[10:43] <lewwy> the snapshot
[10:43] <lewwy> or whatev
[10:43] <bob2> lewwy: the very very very first alpha has been released
[10:43] <lewwy> ah
[10:43] <lewwy> ok
[10:43] <lewwy> fair enough then
[10:44] <envel> Please help! After incorrect shutdown (reset pressed) the journal of my reiserfs system is not replayed ("... seems mounted read-only, skipping journal replay"). How to enable writing on boot?
[10:45] <lewwy> quick!
[10:45] <lewwy> whats the recurive version or rm?
[10:45] <bob2> -r...
[10:45] <lewwy> omg thx bob2
[10:46] <envel> nobody knows it?
[10:46] <bob2> most people avoid reiser because of things like that
[10:46] <lewwy> uhh
[10:46] <lewwy> isnt reiser good because it keeps everything in the journal?
[10:47] <bob2> no
[10:47] <envel> ext3 also has a journal
[10:47] <bob2> it doesn't keep everything in the journal
[10:47] <lewwy> or fast?
[10:47] <bob2> it is fast for some things, yes
[10:47] <dbernar1_> cafuego, your bot does not accept /msg commands, at least not as the dpkg one does...
[10:47] <bob2> dbernar1_: does for me
[10:47] <envel> why the journal replay is not working? it should
[10:47] <Amaranth> bob2: /msg ubotu info bzflag
[10:48] <Danko3> well, good for you, bob2:) it doesnt here, I tried the same command with the two bots. Ill do it one more time, just to make sure for you, k?
[10:48] <envel> why the file system is mounted read-only on boot
[10:48] <bob2> envel: because it's damaged
[10:48] <bob2> envel: I'd try asking on the user list so someone can give more comprehensive advice
[10:48] <bob2> Amaranth: I get the debian error message thing
[10:49] <Amaranth> this sounds like a good reason to not use reiserfs
[10:49] <Amaranth> bob2: exactly
[10:49] <envel> RRRRRR
[10:49] <bob2> cafuego: things like "info bzflag" return an error about "debian being disable in my configuration", do you know what's up with that?
[10:49] <dbernar1_> cafuego, yes, double checked, it does not accept my commands, through xchat, nor through gaim.
[10:49] <Amaranth> guys cafuego has been idle 7 hours
[10:49] <bob2> Amaranth: yes, and he will pick it up when he gets back
[10:50] <Danko3> ha, you getting involved with the bot, too, bob2?
[10:50] <Danko3> Great.
[10:50] <bob2> Danko3: ?
[10:50] <Myrtti> hm, what file should I edit to change the applications that are used to open a file
[10:50] <Amaranth> we're the ones that make sure you don't abuse it
[10:50] <Danko3> taking interest in getting it to work...
[10:50] <Amaranth> Myrtti: right click and choose open with
[10:50] <envel> The journal replay in Ubuntu not working at all. Even after installing. Because root filesystem is mounted read-only.
[10:50] <Danko3> !info mplayer
[10:50] <Myrtti> Amaranth: that just adds applications
[10:50] <bob2> Danko3: I'm the fallback admin of it
[10:50] <lewwy> dont use reiser
[10:51] <Myrtti> I want to remove an application I've added that way
[10:51] <Amaranth> bob2: so am i, did you ever manage to login?
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> Myrtti: you can change it there too
[10:51] <lewwy> redhat uses it
[10:51] <drummer87> hey, will SuperKaramba run fine in Gnome? and would the themes work as they would in KDE?
[10:51] <lewwy> thats good enuff reason
[10:51] <Danko3> bob2: how come if you did not want it at all? just cause you are asssigned the channel?
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> Myrtti: there should be a remove button IIRC
[10:51] <Amaranth> Danko3: Yes, we are bot admins because it's a part of running the channel.
[10:52] <bob2> Danko3: I don't want it because I thought it would be abused (which is happening already).  if it's going to be here, it needs looking after, which is what Amaranth and I are trying to do.
[10:52] <Myrtti> oh, it's in properties
[10:52] <bob2> drummer87: they should do
[10:52] <bob2> drummer87: but there's a gnome equivalent called gdesklets
[10:52] <Amaranth> bob2: so, what was the secret to logging into the bot?
[10:52] <Danko3> bob2: you are full of yourself, and I am geting full of you tonight,  maybe Im just stressed out...Ill ttyl...
[10:53] <Danko3> mayhbe I just dont get your conversational style...
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: what bot is it?
[10:53] <lewwy> you are getting full of bob2 tonigh?
[10:53] <lewwy> tonight*
[10:53] <Amaranth> kinky
[10:53] <drummer87> bob2, i have that but the themes in superkaramba look better for a osx-like dock
[10:53] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: blootbot, i think
[10:53] <dbernar1_> meaning AIve had enough...
[10:54] <bob2> Amaranth: no, it seems to just listen to me
[10:54] <bob2> drummer87: ok
[10:54] <Amaranth> bob2: You can use all the commands?
[10:54] <bob2> Amaranth: afaict
[10:54] <Amaranth> bob2: i guess i never thought of just trying to use them
[10:55] <Amaranth> tell Amaranth about info bzflag
[10:55] <Amaranth> hrm
[10:55] <lewwy> !info bzflag
[10:55] <lewwy> ohhh
[10:55] <lewwy> so theres like
[10:55] <lewwy> a bot in this chan
[10:55] <lewwy> that gives you info?
[10:55] <lewwy> on apps?
[10:55] <Amaranth> something like that
[10:56] <lewwy> or should i stfu?
[10:56] <lewwy> ah ok
[10:56] <Amaranth> it doesn't work right now when you PM it and you can't flood the channel giving it commands
[10:56] <Amaranth> so basically you can't use it
[10:56] <lewwy> hey!
[10:56] <lewwy> it works!
[10:56] <lewwy> !info mplayer
[10:57] <lewwy> hmmm
[10:57] <lewwy> bzflag works
[10:57] <lewwy> !info nvidia-glx
[10:57] <lewwy> yeh it works perfectly
[10:57] <lewwy> whats the problem?
[10:57] <lewwy> nvidia-glx and bzflag work
[10:58] <Amaranth> lewwy: You're flooding the channel with bot commands.
[10:58] <lewwy> hmm
[10:58] <lewwy> not really
[10:58] <lewwy> but i suppose me x 1000 other newbies could be bad
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> if an op says so you are :-p
[10:59] <lewwy> hows about you info once, and then use the bot chat to use info
[10:59] <lewwy> wow
[10:59] <lewwy> copying under linux is super duper thrashing HDD
[10:59] <lewwy> oh and while i am here
[10:59] <lewwy> can anyone here please help me setup my tevion tv tuner card?
[11:00] <Yohnah> hi all, the hoary have k8m800 unichrome support?
[11:00] <Myrtti> hrm.
[11:01] <lewwy> so can anyone please help me setup my tv tuner?
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> lewwy: have you tried if it just works out of the box?
[11:02] <bob2> lewwy: did you find out if linux supports it?
[11:02] <lewwy> tv tuner works in winblows
[11:02] <lewwy> i am not sure if linux supports it
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[11:02] <lewwy> its fairly new
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> !info vlc
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> yes, messaging the bot does not work at all
[11:02] <bob2> lewwy: try googling for the card name and "linux"
[11:03] <lewwy> cbf
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> when you message the bot, it says 'no idea'
[11:03] <lewwy> sif!
[11:03] <lewwy> messaging works!
[11:03] <bob2> tiglionabbit: only if you ask it about something it doesn't know about
[11:03] <lewwy> !info vlc
[11:03] <lewwy> (19:03:40) ubotu: vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[11:03] <athlon> how do I test whether incoming and outgoing packet through a specific port isnt blocked by my ISP ?  (other than contacting the ISP)
[11:03] <bob2> athlon: get someone to send packets to that port
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [msg(ubotu)]  !info vlc
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [ubotu(~blootbot@ubuntu.cc.com.au)]  Wish i knew
[11:04] <bob2> tiglionabbit: don't start it with !
[11:04] <CJ7> hey, am having a problem with resolution setting here - it seems to be stuck on 640x480...the monitor and video card are both capable of at least 1024x768, and this is also set in my xorg.conf, but it's still displaying 640x480.
[11:04] <lewwy> no need to shout
[11:04] <athlon> bob2, using "ping" command ?
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [msg(ubotu)]  info vlc
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [ubotu(~blootbot@ubuntu.cc.com.au)]  unfortunately, debian is disabled in my
[11:04] <tiglionabbit>           configuration
[11:04] <Danko3> lewwy: haha, he said dont start with "!"
[11:04] <lewwy> lol
[11:04] <lewwy> yeh
[11:04] <CJ7> Getting this error from the log file... "Not using mode "1024x768" No mode of this name exists" (or something like that).  Anyone got any ideas?
[11:04] <lewwy> i knew
[11:04] <Danko3> ah.
[11:04] <lewwy> just a bit of a smartass
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> what is the difference between all those terminal programs?
[11:05] <sozi> hi
[11:05] <bob2> tiglionabbit: yes, cafuego will fix it
[11:05] <Danko3> !hi sozu
[11:05] <ubotu> Danko3: Wish i knew
[11:05] <bob2> Fator_Dee: some are slower than others
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> CJ7: in your file /etc/X11/xorg.conf it has a lot of display modes.  Add it
[11:05] <bob2> Fator_Dee: and others have better default colour schemes
[11:05] <bob2> Fator_Dee: that's about it
[11:05] <CJ7> tiglionabbit, It is in there.
[11:05] <sozi> can somebody help me plz  ? :)
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> bob2: could you name a fast one for low resource machines?
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> it should have ntries for different color depths, each with a 'modes' string that has resolutions in order
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know how to get the experience engine on art.gnome.org to work?
[11:06] <bob2> Fator_Dee: how low?
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> bob2: 128meg ram 800mhz
[11:06] <CJ7> tiglionabbit, just a tick, I'll pastebin it, but I'm pretty sure I've got all that right...
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten> it says something like wrong version of lib6
[11:06] <Danko3> sozi: not yet, first say what you need help with.
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> bob2: the ram is the bottleneck I suppose :-p
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten>  gtk2-engines-experience depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[11:06] <sozi> i have problems with my printer :(
[11:07] <bob2> Fator_Dee: any will be fine
[11:07] <bob2> Fator_Dee: pterm is nice
[11:07] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: you need packages for it that work on ubuntu
[11:07] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: the ones you have do not
[11:07] <lewwy> so can anyone recommend a good tv tuner program?
[11:08] <sozi> i buyed a hp color laserjet and it works fine but
[11:08] <bob2> lewwy: did you find out if it works at all?
[11:08] <JohnnyRotten> where can i find the one i need
[11:08] <CJ7> tiglionabbit, http://pastebin.com/293176
[11:08] <CJ7> see if you can spot what I'm missing...I'm pretty sure its all ok tho...
[11:09] <Myrtti> hm
[11:09] <JohnnyRotten> also is the a program that converts .ico to png
[11:09] <sozi> the printers is unable to shut down the proces for the printed side so i must shut down by hand to print a new side
[11:09] <sozi> sry for my bad english ^^
[11:10] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: "convert" from imagemagick will probably work
[11:10] <sozi> can somebody help me ? :(
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> CJ7: um, looks set up right.  I don't know
[11:11] <CJ7> hrm....anyone else got any ideas why my res would be stuck on 640x480 when the system is capable of more?
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> JohnnyRotten: the gimp can do it
[11:11] <bob2> nvidia or i810 video chipset?
[11:11] <CJ7> bob2 a bit older than that (if you're talking to me?) SiS 5597/5598 chipset.
[11:11] <gir__> DOH! Just upgraded to breezy and now I read the topic! Fuck
[11:11] <bob2> ouch
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> you can downgrade, right?
[11:12] <bob2> no
[11:12] <gir__> and I have trouble with it..
[11:12] <gir__> I hope..
[11:12] <Choubaka> tiglionabbit: You can, but it's more of a pain than re-installing
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> bob2: yea, pterm looks nice, and it's much faster in changing between channel windows in irssi than xfterm4
[11:13] <sozi> no idea @ my printerproblem ?
[11:14] <solan> i just added a additional hdd in my Ubuntu box
[11:15] <solan> i want to format it to ext3 fs
[11:15] <solan> how can i do that?
[11:15] <Yohnah> i need to know if ubuntu hoary support k8m800 unichrome cards. somebody know about it?
[11:16] <Tallia1> ....... a defrag tool 4 linx?
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> Tallia1: you don't need onw
[11:18] <Fator_Dee> one
[11:18] <Danko3> solan do sudo fdisk -l and tell me which /dev/hdX the new hd is.
[11:18] <floater_> wodup! How do I scroll up in console ?
[11:18] <Tallia1> i need one for the fat32 partition
[11:18] <Danko3> ha, you dont, actually, floater_.
[11:18] <Danko3> floater_: try using command | more that may be what you want to do.
[11:19] <gir__> Choubaka: so, you recommend a re-install? I don't feel like start all over =/
[11:19] <floater_> Danko3: hmm how do I use it exactly
[11:19] <Choubaka> gir__: Yes, I do recommend a re-install
[11:19] <Danko3> floater_: what command are you running exactly?
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> floater_: shift-pageup
[11:19] <floater_> let's say if I ls a directory with millions of files
[11:19] <john123123123> how can i change the privlages
[11:19] <gir__> damn..
[11:19] <Choubaka> gir__: downgrading is a PITA
[11:20] <Danko3> tiglionabbit: nice.
[11:20] <floater_> I am running kubuntu without x window interface. Just in console. Then I would like to know an alternative file editing program for 'vi'
[11:20] <john123123123> keeps asking me to be the owner dont know how to do that please help
[11:21] <Danko3> nano, pico, others, floater_.
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> floater_: shift-pageup.  But a better idea is ls | less to browse it in 'less'.  Then you can use the arrow keys, and hit q to quit
[11:21] <marcel_> Help! GTK1 apps have big fonts and i need to get them smaller. I used gtk-theme-switch, to no avail
[11:21] <floater_> Which one comes with ubuntu and has simplest configuration for keys? pico?
[11:21] <gir__> Choubaka: I see..
[11:21] <Danko3> they all come, afaik.
[11:21] <floater_> tiglionabbit: ok
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> floater_: pico or nano are simple.  I like emacs best though, but it takes learning
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> floater_: nano is easy to learn
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> pico and nano are clones of eachother, so it probably doesn't matter which you use
[11:22] <floater_> oki. I don't have internet connection on the machine, but I take it that nano and pico comes with the installation
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> yea
[11:23] <floater_> alrighty. What else I was about to ask hmm..
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> ask anything.  A will to learn the terminal is always good in *nix land
[11:24] <floater_> Yea, wonder if there's some good website that introduce some 'most common' commands and 'good to know' commands that I could print out. At least I think reading some log files are good if some problems occur. Like one was 'tail /var/log/messages/ or something
[11:24] <Tallia1> once i use CUPS as preferred printing server can i disinstall the others?
[11:24] <floater_> to print out the last lines of that
[11:25] <tiglionabbit> http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html
[11:25] <Tallia1> or i'll nedd em?
[11:25] <Tallia1> need*
[11:27] <floater_> oohh, nice nice, I'll try save this whole page, thanks
[11:27] <john123123123> keeps asking me to be the owner dont know how to do that please help
[11:27] <Srng> you see, I know it sounds lame, but I've a problem with my homework :]  I've googled, I've tried everything I could think of but still couldn't work it out
[11:28] <Srng> the question is
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> john123123123: care to elaborate your current situation?
[11:28] <dbernar1_> john123123123, which files/directorues, and so on.
[11:28] <tiglionabbit> floater_: why not just save the url?
[11:28] <Srng> how can i echo 1st and 5th column of the /etc/passwd and sort it by the 5th column?
[11:28] <john123123123> fond a site that said to edit the config file for my wireless  pcmcia card
[11:29] <MobyTurbo> Srng, use awk
[11:29] <bob2> Srng: awk or cut, and sort -k
[11:29] <john123123123> and i tried and keeps saying the owner needs to
[11:29] <Srng> the first part's easy with cut
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> he probable needs the rootsudo wiki
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.com/RootSudo john
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> oops
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:30] <Gog> anyone else having problems with firefox since the last update?
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> not I
[11:30] <Srng> Thanks guys missed this option in man :):)
[11:30] <Gog> hmm, ok ta
[11:30] <MobyTurbo> Gog, after a Firefox update make sure to exit it and restart.
[11:30] <Fator_Dee> john123123123: did you remember to use sudo?
[11:31] <MobyTurbo> s/restart/restart it/
[11:31] <Gog> MobyTurbo: nod. unfortunately it's still seems to have xml errors doing various things
[11:31] <floater_> I don't have access to the internet on the machine for couple weeks. I just gotta burn it on cd and move it to the machine :j  Maybe not the most interesting thing to wander around in linux console without internet, but I'll try learn before I get this new connection to the machine. Then I need to start apt-getting :X
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> k.  Someone teach floater_ wget
[11:32] <MobyTurbo> Gog, it works here(tm)
[11:32] <floater_> I have used wget before :X just installing the windows port :j
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> ah
[11:32] <floater_> I hopefully remember it
[11:32] <floater_> it been long since I did it. I tried linux some years ago for a little while
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu is a fun distro.  I hope you enjoy it
[11:33] <Gog> Moby hohum, maybe it'll sort itself next time :)
[11:33] <floater_> at least I need recursive and then few sublinks to determine I think
[11:33] <cshobe> So what are the highlights of Ubuntu?
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> best as a graphical desktop though
[11:33] <floater_> levels
[11:33] <floater_> ok
[11:33] <Razor-X> what's a good price for a Kinkos print of about 200 pages?
[11:33] <refuze2looze> i'm trying to connect to the internet with a cable modem connceted via USB. right now i'm connected with a router attached to the modem. i plugged in the modem and it appears correctly in device manager, but when i go to network settings and i try to configure it makes me enter phone number, etc. like it thinks it's a dialup modem. how can i configure it to be a cable modem?
[11:33] <Razor-X> using pages front and back
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> cshobe: it works, you can install software without screwing things up, most things are configurable through gui, and it's nice to its users.  It answers a lot of questions for you too
[11:34] <Razor-X> so, that would be 100 pages of paper, and 200 pages of ink
[11:34] <cshobe> tiglionabbit: meh.  What sort of packages?
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> ...save the trees!  Use the internet!
[11:34] <Razor-X> cshobe: it's a nice, light distro, that fits a lot of good things on a cd
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> cshobe: it uses apt.  deb packages
[11:35] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: in my mind, ebooks will never replace print
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> css3.0 will
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> I bet
[11:35] <Razor-X> and second of all, staring at a Calculus book for that long will make your eyes go hollow
[11:35] <Razor-X> hell no
[11:35] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, from what you said, I think you are doing something wrong, please stay long enough for me to type it out.
[11:35] <Razor-X> I prefer my eyes to stay at the level of power they are now ;)
[11:35] <Razor-X> and trees shmeez
[11:35] <refuze2looze> dbernar1_: k, thanks
[11:35] <Razor-X> I hope trees worldwide burn
[11:35] <Razor-X> they give me hellish allergies
[11:36] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, actually I dont have a long typ...ok, well, is the router connected to the computer, or the modem, or both
[11:36] <refuze2looze> dbernar1_: both
[11:36] <dbernar1_> ok, that is likely your problem, is the router connected to the modem?
[11:36] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: they also convert carbon dioxide to oxygen which is essential for mammals to live
[11:37] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: yeah, and we can make energy from blasting neutrons at unstable plutonium nucleii
[11:37] <refuze2looze> dbernar1_: yes the router is connceted to the modem. but i had the same setup on another box that was running ubuntu that was installed with the modem connected and then was able to switch between using modem and router (while all the other computers were connected to the internet through the router)
[11:37] <cshobe> ok, cheers for the info (I'm mainly interested in server-oriented distributions, but kept seeing ubuntu mentioned by people in the gentoo channel)
[11:37] <Razor-X> I don't think it'ld be that hard to keep a limited set of trees and produce carbon dioxide from that
[11:37] <bob2> cshobe: it's an excellent server operating system
[11:38] <Razor-X> refuze2looze: is the router connected to the computer via ethernet?
[11:38] <geetergod> what was that chat?
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: WE produce the CO2.  THEY make the O2
[11:38] <geetergod> cerega?
[11:38] <refuze2looze> Razor-X: yeah. and the modem through usb
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> geetergod: cedega?
[11:38] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: errr, yeah, my bad
[11:38] <geetergod> that too
[11:38] <cshobe> bob2: how so, and why?
[11:38] <bob2> cshobe: six month release cycle, 18 months support
[11:38] <Razor-X> refuze2looze: why not by a USB->Ethernet converter, and run that through your router?
[11:39] <bob2> cshobe: it stays up to date, but you don't have to follow it immediately
[11:39] <Razor-X> it'll mean much better compatibility for any OS or any computer for that matter
[11:39] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, please read the manual of your modem to see if you are supposed to use both at the same time, I have not heard of this yet. btw, do you have 2, or 1 IP assigned from your ISP?
[11:39] <bob2> cshobe: (if you want more than 18 months of support, it's available for-pay from canonical and other people)
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> the easies way to win SimCity is to plant a lot of trees.  I was able to get the people in my city to like me so much, they had a parade in my honor every day!
[11:39] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: don't make me quote the respiration/photosynthesis formulas ;)
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> er, sim city 2000
[11:40] <Razor-X> regardless, how much would it eb?
[11:40] <Razor-X> *be
[11:40] <Razor-X> I like the feel of print books, plus, too long at the computer reading something makes my eyes sore
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> why are you asking a kinkos question in an ubuntu channel, razor-x?
[11:40] <Razor-X> and the trees can use some more cutting, they aren't dying any time soon
[11:41] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: because, people here otta have experience with that kind of stuff, at least some people, plus, I don't think there's a #kinkos
[11:41] <zoddan> im having problems with my ubuntu on my laptop
[11:41] <bob2> best to just aks
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> what sort of problems, zoddan?
[11:41] <zoddan> when i loginto gnome and after it has loaded everything it loocks up
[11:42] <zoddan> i dont get any icons or menus
[11:42] <tiglionabbit> that doesn't sound good
[11:42] <dbernar1_> zoddan, have you added anything to the sttartup, by any chance?
[11:42] <zoddan> i got it to work about 10min yeterday and then it loocka again
[11:42] <zoddan> dbernar1_: no
[11:43] <Seveas> zoddan, try booting with acpi=off
[11:43] <zoddan> Seveas: by battery stat and Fn buttons wont work then
[11:44] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, so, one or two IPs from your ISP, do you know?
[11:45] <zoddan> Seveas: how do i change to command line at boot ?
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: ubuntu opens 6 virtual terminals for textmode you can get to by holding control-alt and hitting an F key 1 - 6
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> 7 to get back to X
[11:46] <zoddan> i said at boot
[11:46] <Seveas> zoddan, you can hit a key to get a grub shell
[11:46] <zoddan> not in X
[11:46] <ticktoc> this sucks...  could NOT get on internet anyway at all....   not wvdial, not pon, not gppon so finally installed kppp and not it only works for root... my other user logs into the internet but can't get any packets out..  almost like being behind a firewall ...  what the 'f' is up??  I've been at the for 4 hours now
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> oh, from grub?
[11:46] <Seveas> or even edit the entry
[11:46] <zoddan> Seveas: i dont use grub
[11:46] <Seveas> zoddan, then i don't know
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> what do you use?
[11:46] <zoddan> lilo
[11:46] <zoddan> lol
[11:46] <bellemoth> hi
[11:46] <bellemoth> everybody
[11:47] <bob2> ticktoc: er, are you sure the connection comes up at all for the other user?
[11:47] <zoddan> talk about incompetens :P
[11:47] <refuze2looze> okay, i got disconnected there for some reason but i think i figured it out, thanks
[11:47] <dbernar1_> welcome.
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: if you're going to insult us, spell it right.  And we don't know everything.
[11:48] <ticktoc> bob2... absolutly..  tail -f /var/log/syslog and alls well with the connection
[11:48] <refuze2looze> i forgot i did have a dialup modem connected to my computer, doh,, and the usb modem was listed as eth1 and i configured it with the settings from my router.. can i make it auto-detect though? the ip address, etc
[11:48] <bob2> ticktoc: and when the user connects, root can ping things/etc?
[11:49] <ticktoc> root can do ANYTHING...  but regular user is just like behind firewall..
[11:49] <bob2> that's bizarre
[11:49] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: it spells that way in my way, well lilo is common use, so
[11:49] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: not know lilo is like not known what a "kernel" is :P
[11:50] <zoddan> and grub cant handle fullscreen splash
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: not necessarily.  Many people prefer grub
[11:50] <ticktoc> other methods dont' work for any user..  get pppd error (2)
[11:50] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: i dont know anyone that uses grub
[11:50] <bob2> ticktoc: show us the full error (in #flood)
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: that's not true.  I just set one today
[11:50] <ticktoc> the wvdial error?
[11:50] <monteiro> my ubuntu uses swap, it was not suppose too because i've enough free ram, is that normal , ubuntu uses swap all the time ?
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, grub is more secure
[11:51] <bob2> ticktoc: the one from your logs
[11:51] <bob2> monteiro: yes
[11:51] <zoddan> r0d: show me
[11:51] <MobyTurbo> zoddan, grub is more foolproof
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, alittle hard......
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, i'm kinda not by you...
[11:51] <zoddan> foolproof ?
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, google it, youll see
[11:51] <dbernar1_> zoddan, well, now you know a whole disttro that does.
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30341
[11:52] <r0d_> zoddan, doesnt matter to me if you dont believe it. i know because i've tested lilo security
[11:52] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: what tha hell is ".xpm.gz" ?
[11:52] <zoddan> im using .bpm in lilo
[11:52] <MobyTurbo> zoddan, you don't have to re-run grub after a kernel change, even if the configuration files are wrong you can boot via grub command line.
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: that would be the gimp's native format, gzipped
[11:52] <zoddan> and damn so mutch work you have to do in grub
[11:52] <zoddan> it took me like 3sek to do it in lilo
[11:53] <zoddan> and all i had to do was uncomment a line
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> took me that long for grub too
[11:53] <zoddan> right, i see that
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> pf, well then you're not adding your own image
[11:53] <zoddan> no
[11:53] <zoddan> im using debians own
[11:53] <zoddan> i like those
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> great
[11:53] <ticktoc> s??t...  no damn error in log...  WHY ME?
[11:53] <zoddan> so whats the problem ?
[11:54] <zoddan> tiglionabbit
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> the problem with your computer freezing?  How should I know?  It could be a bazillion things.
[11:54] <ticktoc> actually bob2, no error with kppp and regular user...  just no connectivity..
[11:54] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/imagens/debian-lilo.jpg
[11:54] <ticktoc> syslog looks just like when root logs in..
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: have you tried "failsafe gnome"?  It's just a guess
[11:54] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: i have it that way and i like it
[11:55] <ticktoc> let me look at messages..
[11:55] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: yes i have, it works but i cant do anything more than use the console
[11:55] <baffle> Oh, don't use breezy? I've used it since Hoary came out. :)
[11:55] <cshobe> bob2: so support is the primary advantage?
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> how badly does it freeze up when it does?
[11:55] <baffle> And had lots of fun getting X to work today. :)
[11:55] <cshobe> bob2: I don't care about support, personally ;-)
[11:55] <cshobe> bob2: IRC is my support :P
[11:55] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: total
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> you can't even switch virtual terminals?
[11:55] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: cant do anything so i have to use the reset button
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> can't even hit the panic button?  (control-alt-backspace)
[11:56] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: no
[11:56] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> found any pattern for causing it?
[11:56] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: i said i cant do anything i have to use the reset button
[11:56] <bob2> cshobe: support = bug fixes and security fixes
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> do you have any weird peripherals plugged in?
[11:57] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: no, just my wlan card but i have tried to boot without it
[11:57] <zoddan> or loginto gnome
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> have you tried `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` from the console?
[11:59] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: no
[11:59] <zoddan> i have 192
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> mb?
[11:59] <zoddan> it workt when i have installed it
[11:59] <nimbuz> my sound works fine in root but when i try to play it in a normal user it doesnt work, have I not got the correct permissions?
[11:59] <zoddan> and then i upgraded to 686 kernel
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> zordan: when did you install it, and when did the problem emerge?
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> you could have told us that
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> tried booting the older kernel?
[12:00] <zoddan> i think thats when i got the problems, but when i boot with the 386 kernel i get the same problem anyway
[12:00] <carsten> Moin. DId anyone try to compile kdelibs (for KDE 4 with Qt4) on ubuntu/kubuntu? It doesn't link here
[12:00] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: 192MB yes
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> zoddan, have you tried running memtest?
[12:01] <zoddan> MobyTurbo: nothing wrong with my RAM, windows xp sp2 is running smooth
[12:01] <dbernar1_> tiglionabbit, know how to register and identify with NickServ?
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> yes
[12:02] <dbernar1_> go ahead, please.
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> um, I already have
[12:02] <dbernar1_> um, gop ahead and tell me...?
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> oh, okay
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> first get the nick you want, using /nick and the name you want to change to
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> then say /msg nickserv register and a password you want to use for it
[12:03] <zoddan> well i have ti go talk to you later
[12:03] <zoddan> to
[12:03] <zoddan> cya, thanks for the help anyway
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> when you login later, say /msg nickserv identify and that password
[12:03] <floater_> tiglionabbit: there is some problems with the user-agent on that cookbook website. I tried wget -r -x -l4 -N -U blaa http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html but it doesn't work
[12:04] <floater_> without -U it sends me a robot.txt that says disallowing user-agent
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> there are a lot of other commands you can use.  /msg nickserv help for more information.  You could start a query (/q) with nickserv to make this easier
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> floater_: oh.  wget respects anti-robots.  Guess they came prepared
[12:05] <dabaslon> tiglionabbit, thank you, I am registered now.
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> cool
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> you can link names together.  Go read the help thing on that
[12:06] <floater_> I can't download that website in anyway then?
[12:06] <dabaslon> thanks, this is all I needed for now:)
[12:07] <dabaslon> ubotu cough
[12:07] <dabaslon> thank you, ubotu.
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> ubotu dance
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> cool
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> ubotu dpkg
[12:09] <bigfoot> I'm using Xchat. On the server list, I pressed the "Sort" button, but I'm not happy with the alphabetical order. How do I put the servers in my own particular order?
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> oo, an old ebook I still have.  nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf  floater_: this is helpful
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> ubotu spin
[12:10] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> ubotu eat
[12:10] <dabaslon> ubotu welcome
[12:10] <ubotu> Thank you, dabaslon.
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> whoa
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> um..   ubotu drink ?
[12:11] <dabaslon> ubotu thank you
[12:11] <ubotu> dabaslon: de nada
[12:11] <grandepuffo> hey...
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> ubotu drink
[12:11] <ubotu> *SLUUUUURP* *SLUUUUURP* some kawfee
[12:11] <grandepuffo> pleeze
[12:11] <grandepuffo> pleeze
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> um, what was that?
[12:11] <floater_> tiglionabbit do you know some other website like cookbook or other method do download that website? :S
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> nope
[12:12] <floater_> okiz
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> search soulseek or limewire for ebooks or something
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> or go to tha book store
[12:12] <floater_> :) thanks
[12:13] <dabaslon> ubotu, Thanks.
[12:13] <ubotu> dabaslon: no worries
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> ubotu eat pizza
[12:14] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:15] <smith> pizza hot
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> ubotu xyzzy
[12:15] <bob2> best to just not play wit hthe bot
[12:15] <bob2> lest it be removed
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> oo I like that one!
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> aw, the bot is fun
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> ubotu plough
[12:15] <ubotu> No idea, tiglionabbit
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> aw
[12:15] <smith> me?
[12:15] <tcom> hey gang.. just a quick question from me. I need to connect to a M$ VPN can this be done easily with Ubuntu? Out of the box?
[12:16] <bigfoot> Hi all: i got a media file without an extension. How do I open this file?
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> uh, samba configures pretty well for browsing windows shared networks..
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> I don't know much about vpn though
[12:16] <bob2> tcom: yeah, but it's fiddly to setup
[12:16] <bob2> bigfoot: ask whoever gave it to you what file type it is
[12:16] <smith> tcom-_- you *would* not make it
[12:17] <bob2> bigfoot: or just run mplayer on it
[12:17] <tcom> bob2 thats what I thought
[12:17] <pagio> hi, why can't a normal user run Gnome? GMD loads, but then gnome exits and sais that the session ended less in 10seconds...and something about permisions i think. what should i do
[12:17] <tcom> i've had troubles with gentoo and VPNs
[12:17] <bob2> tcom: pptp.sf.net has a debian howto that should work, yeah
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: type `file` and thename of the file.  It's called "magic"
[12:17] <bob2> tcom: vpns in generaly are easy, ms's in particular is annoying
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> that will tell you what format it is
[12:17] <bob2> pagio: what have you changed since the last time it worked?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> er, what type of file it thinks it is, using magic
[12:18] <thenuke> should I install VNC to my windows box and to linux box for doing some remote administration with the x-window
[12:18] <pagio> bob2 no
[12:18] <pagio> nothing i mean
[12:18] <bob2> pagio: you've changed nothing at all?
[12:18] <bob2> not installed new packages?
[12:18] <bob2> not edited a config file?
[12:18] <pagio> nop
[12:18] <pagio> nop
[12:18] <pagio> this problem is from the time i installed ubuntu
[12:18] <geneo93> pagio:  delete iceaythority from home dir
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: sure, why not?
[12:19] <pagio> thank you, i'll try
[12:19] <Srng> how can i print only those lines from the file that are 5 or 6 characters long?
[12:19] <tcom> bob2.. thanks.. i'll keep searching. might try a live cd with VPN ??
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: that magic working for you?
[12:19] <thenuke> tiglionabbit: Just thought if there would be some better ones around :) I have never used VNC or anything like that
[12:19] <bob2> pagio: ah, so you ran k3b as root?
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: I used it recently.  It's quite impressive, and easy to use
[12:19] <bob2> tcom: I don't see how that would help...reading the guide I pointed you at will help you to set it up
[12:20] <we2by> any one has vmware running with sound?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> say, is there a java client for vnc around?  one that runs in a web browser?
[12:20] <Srng> tried grep but without much success
[12:21] <goliat> hello guys
[12:21] <goliat> does anyone use ubuntu and know how to write arabic in word
[12:22] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, yes. thanks. "file" says that it's "MS-DOS executable (EXE), OS/2 or MS Windows." I'm scared of adding .exe to the filename and doubleclicking it. Won't there be a danger of a virus or soemething?
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: linux doesn't run exes
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Srng: lemme try and make a regular expression for that
[12:23] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, isn't a program called Wine what one uses to run Windows stuff?
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> oh, that's true, yes
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> but clicking on it won't do that
[12:24] <bigfoot> is there a danger though of running the exe file in linux? could it harm my system, infecting a virus?
[12:24] <bigfoot> How do i use Wine? i've never had to use windows stuff on my ubuntu pc before?
[12:24] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: wine runs all exes on their on little sandboxes
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: there are some guys that have tried to run virii on winem they didn't have any effect :-)
[12:25] <bob2> well
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> Srng: does this one work?  "^.{0,5}$"
[12:25] <bob2> it could potentially damage your system
[12:25] <bob2> delete files, etc
[12:25] <bob2> depending on how it is configured
[12:25] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, good to hear, so i guess i can get wine via synaptic...?
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> but all executables could be potentially harmful
[12:26] <bob2> don't run untrusted windows code on linux
[12:26] <Gog> is there a recommended way to upgrade firefox beyond the rather old ubuntu version?
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> it doesn't take a much of a shell script to delete all your files :-\
[12:26] <bob2> Gog: rather old? it came out < 2 months ago!
[12:26] <Gog> 1.0.2 ?
[12:26] <Srng> tiglionabbit, I'll check in a minute, I've come up with something like "^.\{5\}\|.\{6\}$"
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> it has all the security updates
[12:26] <geneo93> if you want to run a virus use windows please
[12:26] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i'm so silly. You know what? I didn't have to run that file command. I could just find out what kind of file it is by selecting the file in Nautilus then File-> Properties!
[12:27] <bob2> Gog: you know it has all the security fixes from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4, right?
[12:27] <Gog> bob2: it's too old to use any standard way of installing extensions, and mine is completely unsuable since the last ubuntu update
[12:27] <Gog> ah, no I didn't
[12:27] <bob2> Gog: please file a bug if it's "unusable" in any sense other than "can't install new extensions"
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: yeah, the guis are smart too!  But now you know the commandline equivalent
[12:27] <K_Dallas> there is also file foo.ext which would try to identify a file type
[12:27] <bob2> you can get a new tarball from www.mozilla.org, though
[12:27] <Gog> bob2: is there a away to rollback updates?
[12:27] <bob2> not easily
[12:27] <xukun> When I first installed ubuntu I could switch between open programms with the mice becouse I could see all the running programms at the bottom of my screen but that is gone now, I have to use the alt+tab to switch between programms. I hope you can make something with this becouse I dont know how else I can explain things
[12:28] <Gog> :-\
[12:28] <bigfoot> okay, then. thanks for all  your advice about running .exe on linux. I decided i won't run it. I'll just get the non .exe file, just to be safe.
[12:28] <bob2> xukun: you deleted the window list applet.  add it back.
[12:28] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thank you for teaching me  about the "file" command.
[12:28] <bob2> xukun: right click on panel -> add applet -> window list -> add
[12:28] <K_Dallas> xukun, did you have a crash prior to this? could you right click on the bottom bar and add items . panels to it?
[12:28] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you must be running the commandline all the time, i suppose. No gui for you?
[12:30] <K_Dallas> bigfoot: you could also try less file.ext and have a look at the first line of the file. after a while you could easily recognize many of the the files just by looking at the first few bits
[12:30] <selinium> I don't think I have ever seen this channel sooo quiet! WAKE UP! :)
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: nah, I use the gui when it's more convenient.  I just like the freedom of being able to grab an ssh client on any computer anywhere and access features of *nix
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> it's the middle of the night in the US, selinium
[12:30] <bigfoot> selinium, where in the world are you?
[12:30] <athlon> which package do I need to install to get ipv4 traceroute ?
[12:31] <selinium> tiglionabbit: OK :) UK. I am a frequent visitor here
[12:31] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, i appreciate your tip. what's "less file.ext"?
[12:31] <bigfoot> I tried loading the huge file into Gedit, but i guess it was too much for gedit!
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> less is a commandline viewer
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> it lets you use the arrow keys to scroll up and down
[12:31] <athlon> do nevermind
[12:31] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, less prints out the content of a usually text file on the standard out but it does thesame for binary files
[12:32] <selinium> bigfoot: UK, its 11:30 in the morning
[12:32] <athlon> s/do/doh
[12:32] <K_Dallas> so usually when you do it on binary files it starts to whistle etc which is no harm :)
[12:32] <K_Dallas> there is more but more does less than less ;)
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> um, k_dallas, usually opening a binary file in less will screw up your terminal
[12:32] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, but if i run the less command on an .exe file, won't i just come up with a bunch of illegible code?
[12:32] <geneo93> 6;30 am in us east
[12:32] <K_Dallas> tiglionabbit, rarely
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: yep
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> K_Dallas: always happens to me
[12:33] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, yes it does but you only need the first few bits
[12:33] <K_Dallas> well, sometimes to me but not always
[12:33] <Srng> tiglionabbit, i'm afraid your regexp doesnt work, but I think i see what the problem is: it should go like "^.\{5,6\}$". thanks for your help anyway. :)
[12:33] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, the first few bits will tell me what kind of file the .exe file is?
[12:33] <selinium> geneo93: having an early morning, or a late night?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> what's the command to clean that up, btw, once the terminal text has gotten all screwed up?
[12:33] <bigfoot> okay, if it is *totally* safe to run that less command, I'll do it right now on the .exe file.
[12:33] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, yes
[12:33] <bigfoot> please confirm.
[12:34] <geneo93> latenight
[12:34] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, the worst thing that could happen is that you have to close your terminal and open another one
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> Srng: I don't know why it would take those backslashes..   but oh yeah, you wanted 5-6, not 0-5.  correct
[12:34] <selinium> genao93: Work, or insomnia? :)
[12:34] <Srng> tiglionabbit, :)
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> btw, here's a reference http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/
[12:35] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, okay, if that's the worst thing that could happen, i guess that's fine. Just didn't want any .exe file sabotaging my system, deleting files, putting a virus, etc.
[12:35] <K_Dallas> i actually get more info thruy less than file :)
[12:35] <K_Dallas> that is safe
[12:35] <geneo93> just took a 2 hour nap before
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: do not be worried about windows code.  That's like getting the flu from your dog
[12:36] <K_Dallas> there is no virus in linux, so far :)
[12:36] <Srng> tiglionabbit, thanks i'm sure it'll come in handy
[12:36] <solan> i just added a additional hdd in my Ubuntu box
[12:36] <solan> how can i do that?
[12:36] <solan> i want to format it to ext3 fs
[12:36] <solan> how can i do that?
[12:36] <Amaranth> fdisk
[12:36] <K_Dallas> solan, fdisk
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> solan: run parted, gparted, or qtparted?
[12:37] <K_Dallas> or cfdisk
[12:37] <Amaranth> or gparted
[12:37] <geneo93> tiglionabbit:  its possible with that bird flu
[12:37] <solan> thanks
[12:38] <xukun> bob2, thank a lot, yes I have th windows list panel now, but I places it also at the top panel, what I need is(like it was before) that it places the windows list panel at the bottom, and everthing else at the top
[12:38] <xukun> but it ...
[12:39] <xukun> but I,m already happy with this too
[12:39] <geneo93> xukun:  just put it at bottom in config
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> xukun: drag it?
[12:40] <xukun> geneo93, which config would that be?
[12:40] <solan> i dont understand fdisk
[12:40] <Choubaka> use gparted
[12:40] <selinium> solan: use gparted
[12:40] <xukun> tiglionabbit, that doesnt work
[12:40] <solan> i installing it now
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> xukun: you're right
[12:40] <geneo93> configure pannel
[12:40] <terrex> sb knows a command like win-defrag for ext3 ?
[12:41] <K_Dallas> from /.: Science: Too Much Homework Can Be Counterproductive [I hate to see grant money spent on something that everybody already knows ;)]
[12:41] <bigfoot> in terminal, i did the less command, it asked me "SomeFile" may be a binary file. See it anyway?               What do i type in?
[12:41] <bob2> xukun: then add it to the bottom panel
[12:41] <bob2> bigfoot: y or n
[12:41] <K_Dallas> tyype: y
[12:41] <Hooded> Hey?
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: that warns you, because binary files usually screw up the terminal
[12:41] <goldfish_> they do :)
[12:41] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, it does? how so?
[12:41] <K_Dallas> :)
[12:41] <geneo93> chkfs ext3
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> you'll see
[12:41] <Hooded> I'm downloading ubuntu live right now, how does it work? Is it like a preview or what?
[12:42] <K_Dallas> it makes you no more able to type normally
[12:42] <Choubaka> Hooded: yes.
[12:42] <Choubaka> Hooded: you boot it from the CD
[12:42] <xukun> bob2, hmm maybe that is the probleem becouse I only have a top panel
[12:42] <Hooded> I'm downloading ubuntu live, its not a CD
[12:42] <terrex> geneo93: thx
[12:42] <K_Dallas> Hooded, it isa CD image
[12:42] <bob2> xukun: right click on the top and select "new panel" then
[12:42] <Hooded> Well, when I download it fully and execute it what happens?
[12:43] <bob2> Hooded: nothing, you have to burn it to a cd
[12:43] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i got the lines of the file, but, because I'm not geeky enough, i have no idea how to decipher the code. Can anybody help me decipher the first few lines of an .exe file? I can post it in #flood. Thanks.
[12:43] <Hooded> =\
[12:43] <Hooded> OKay, so I download it, burn it too a CD, load the CD then?
[12:43] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, sure
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> it was dallas who wanted you to show him that
[12:43] <bob2> Hooded: then you boot the cd, yes
[12:43] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> dallas, why did you want to know it anyway?
[12:43] <bob2> bigfoot: er, why are you looking at a .exe file?
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> raDeon: no one
[12:43] <Hooded> What do I do from there? Will it install it and fuck all my windows stuff up?
[12:44] <K_Dallas> know what?
[12:44] <bob2> Hooded: no, it's a live cd, it runs from the cd
[12:44] <raDeon> Hooded, watch the language
[12:44] <Hooded> Sorry
[12:44] <bigfoot> bob2, to see if it's what i was told it was, namely a media file.
[12:44] <bob2> bigfoot: dude
[12:44] <K_Dallas> bigfoot: all it says is that is a window executable!
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> Hooded: no, there is an option for safely resizing ntfs partitions even
[12:44] <bob2> bigfoot: run "file blah" on it, where blah is obviously the filename
[12:44] <bob2> bigfoot: if it says it's an "window executable", it is
[12:45] <Hooded> But with the live one, it will just run it as a preview and its like nothing ever happpened when I take it out?
[12:45] <bigfoot> bob2, but now i'd like to know if it's safe to run that .exe file or not.
[12:45] <xukun> bob2, thanks for your help again
[12:45] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, always try file foo first, less is when file cannot recognize the type of the file
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> Hooded: yes, but it runs from ram and will therefore be slower
[12:45] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, install a virus scanner like clamav
[12:45] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, what does foo stand for.
[12:45] <Hooded> OKay then, great
[12:45] <bob2> bigfoot: you are seriously asking people to read a windows executable, over IRC, and tell you if it's safe to run?
[12:45] <K_Dallas> foo is a dummy name
[12:45] <bigfoot> bob2, i guess i trust you guys.
[12:45] <Hooded> I've been puting off moving too linux forever but now I'm gonna do it
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> bob2: it was k_dallas's idea
[12:45] <K_Dallas> bob2, if that was that easy
[12:46] <bigfoot> Hooded, do it! do it!
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: no one can audit .exe files
[12:46] <Hooded> And if all goes well I will download the full version
[12:46] <K_Dallas> nah, how could i suggest that :)
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: just don't run it
[12:46] <bigfoot> bob2, okay.
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> Hooded: debian is the funnest distro ever.  I hope you have a good time!
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> er, ubuntu
[12:46] <bigfoot> how come you're not the operator today, bob2?
[12:46] <K_Dallas> where have you got that file anyway?
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: if "file" says it is a windows executable, it is
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> is
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: I am
[12:46] <Choubaka> tiglionabbit: :D
[12:46] <Hooded> I better close this now, its slowing the download, and thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it :D
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> but ubuntu is based on debian.
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> same difference
[12:46] <Choubaka> Debian is wonderful too.
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> I'm tired and my mind slips
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> lol
[12:46] <bigfoot> what's hooded debian?
[12:47] <Amaranth> sweet lovely working keyboard shortcuts, oh how i've missed you
[12:47] <Choubaka> But it's more for the Server sysadmins.
[12:47] <bigfoot> It's the "funniest distro"? Never heard of that sort of comment.
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> hooded is the guy, debian is what ubuntu is based on, and that was a slip
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> I said funnest!
[12:47] <bigfoot> Is being a funny distro a compliment or not?
[12:47] <Amaranth> bigfoot: The ops hide now. :)
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> not funniest
[12:47] <bigfoot> oh, funnest!
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> ...
[12:47] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, ha!
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> very sorry about that...
[12:47] <bigfoot> funner than ubuntu, tiglionabbit ?
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> I meant to say ubuntu, actually
[12:48] <Amaranth> I think he was being sarcastic.
[12:48] <Amaranth> Or not.
[12:48] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, so ubuntu is the funnest distro, is that you were saying?
[12:48] <bigfoot> and a distro called "Hooded Debian" is not fun?
[12:48] <bigfoot> I've heard of Debian, but not "Hooded Debian".
[12:48] <Choubaka> Hooded Debian!
[12:48] <bigfoot> Hi Choubaka, how's star wars?
[12:48] <Choubaka> The mystic Debian.
[12:49] <xukun> When I download something it puts in my desktop, can I change that?
[12:49] <Choubaka> bigfoot: You're mispronouncing my nickname.
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot, hooded is the guy I was talking to..
[12:49] <Choubaka> bigfoot: I'm not the hairy one.
[12:49] <geneo93> is that like uncircumsized
[12:49] <bigfoot> bob2, what did lier do?
[12:49] <bob2> come on folks, keep it serious
[12:50] <bob2> bigfoot: claims to be a troll from yesterday, don't want to have to find out the hard way
[12:50] <Choubaka> Oh, the one who would kill you?
[12:50] <bigfoot> bob2, lier said to you "Bob2, I'm a troll"???
[12:50] <tiglionabbit> anyway, what I meant to say is, I hope 'hooded' has a good time using ubuntu
[12:50] <bob2> bigfoot: more or less
[12:50] <bob2> Choubaka: so it claims
[12:50] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, gotcha.
[12:51] <geneo93> bob2:  have a sense of homer
[12:51] <Choubaka> bob2: Heh. He's in my ignore :P
[12:51] <bigfoot> i thought Debian was trying to give themselves a sportscar feel with the "hooded" adjective, but now i now.
[12:51] <selinium> geneo93: homer?  That'll be the debian stable after Etch or whatever.
[12:52] <bob2> bigfoot: no, not at all
[12:52] <selinium> bigfoot DOH! nuts..... MMMMmmmm!
[12:53] <Choubaka> I wonder when Debian will be 4.0 :P
[12:53] <selinium> bob2: what is this about a troll? is that like a bot or something?
[12:53] <goldfish_> selinium: someone who disses stuff.
[12:53] <goldfish_> selinium: Apparantly.
[12:53] <bob2> goldfish_: er, no
[12:53] <goldfish_> hmm
[12:53] <goldfish_> k
[12:53] <bob2> selinium: it was somsone who was just being randomly abusive
[12:53] <goldfish_> hehe
[12:53] <goldfish_> Ah right.
[12:53] <geneo93> 2020 stable
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> who was it?
[12:54] <bob2> "ubuntuhater"
[12:54] <selinium> bob2: Cheers, I am still trying to build up my knowledge of TLA's and buzzwords! :)
[12:54] <bigfoot> bob2, do you work with ubuntu at work?
[12:55] <bob2> bigfoot: sort-of
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> what are TLAs?
[12:55] <bob2> three-letter-acronyms
[12:55] <bigfoot> The Last Americans.
[12:55] <selinium> tiglionabbit: Three Letter Acronyms :)
[12:55] <geneo93> what do you mean sort of
[12:55] <smith> PLA?
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> Theater of Living Arts
[12:56] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i was just joking.
[12:56] <bigfoot> Platypus Lovers Association.
[12:56] <smith> ^-^
[12:56] <thenuke> hmmh, does some one know something about vino? vnc-server for gnome..  it is currently installed but I cant connect to that machine
[12:56] <bigfoot> Phour-letter-acronyms
[12:56] <bigfoot> 8-)
[12:56] <selinium> bigfoot: LOL
[12:56] <luxo> in vino veritas :)
[12:57] <bigfoot> oh, a Latin-oh speaker, this luxo.
[12:57] <geneo93> and even five letter acronyms
[12:57] <bigfoot> veritas is truth, but what's "vino"?
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: go to System->preferences->remote desktop
[12:57] <mindspin> thos guys laying on the pavement?
[12:57] <luxo> wine :) there's truth in wine :)
[12:57] <bigfoot> i see.
[12:58] <nuliukas> thenuke, is vino daemon running? is it configured to accept remote connections?
[12:58] <bigfoot> what do you mean about your comment on wine (the program, and not the drink, i presume)?
[12:58] <geneo93> Wine =short-cut to gutter
[12:58] <Srng> in vino veritas :]
[12:59] <luxo> bigfoot> nothing, just silly comment ..offtopic
[01:00] <bigfoot> does anybody here think that having the trash icon on the panel is rather, um, not useless, but hard to use? I mean, you try to drap and drop some file(s), but you don't know if the trash icon is selected...
[01:00] <bigfoot> does that make sense?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> selected?
[01:00] <bigfoot> i mean, when your mouse (with the files for deletion) are hovering over the trash icon.
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> it's designed well enough that even if you're against the edge of the screen you'll hit it, like the show desktop button
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> I generally use the dangerous unix style "rm" to get rid of things though
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> no recovering from that
[01:02] <selinium> tiglionabbit rm -R /   does that work? :)
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> don't do that
[01:02] <psychicdragon> it is kinda wierd that it doesn't shine like the launchers do though
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> yeah, it is
[01:02] <psychicdragon> when you mouse over that is
[01:02] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you're right. I guess I just had to wait a little longer to see the file removed into the trash.
[01:03] <bigfoot> psychicdragon, you talking about the trash icon, right?
[01:03] <psychicdragon> yes
[01:03] <sijp> hey people, just one small OT question that bothers me today.... wasn't sarge should have been release two days ago?
[01:03] <selinium> tiglionabbit: On mouseover , it would be better if it changed slightly.
[01:04] <psychicdragon> june 6, i think i saw on slashdot
[01:04] <K_Dallas> sijp, on the 6th
[01:04] <sijp> oh... ok, I guess it was a not updated page
[01:04] <sijp> thnx
[01:04] <sijp> :P
[01:05] <bob2> sijp: it's been delayed
[01:05] <bob2> I wouldn't believe any planned release date, just wait for the release announcement
[01:05] <sijp> ok, got it
[01:06] <sijp> thanks again
[01:06] <bigfoot> after ripping your dvd, what do you use to play the files on your hard drive, the ones that have extensions .bup .ifo and .vob?
[01:06] <bob2> you'd want to convert it to a useful format
[01:06] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, mplayer, xine
[01:06] <goldfish_> vlc is good too
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> use vlc!  it's awesome
[01:07] <bigfoot> with VLC, i have to drag and drop the folder  onto VLC, but how so with mplayer and xine?
[01:07] <tiglionabbit> you'll still need one of the others around for certain formats though
[01:07] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, is vlc better than mplayer and xine? Better for all types of files, or just .vob/ifo/bup files?
[01:07] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: gmplayer has a little "..." on the left on the skin thing.  Click on that
[01:07] <K_Dallas> better does not make sense, try them and see what pleases you
[01:08] <K_Dallas> right now there are windows version of both vlc and mplayer but to me mplayer is what i need
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: Yeah, it seems a lot better.  But I think there are quite a few formats you'll still need mplayer for
[01:09] <K_Dallas> tiglionabbit, does vlc allow dumpstream?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> mplayer doesn't sync my sound up right, and has some weird behaviors in it.
[01:09] <K_Dallas> never used it
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> dumpstream?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> K_Dallas: go dowload it.  It's worth your time
[01:09] <K_Dallas> you know watching online TV and saving it?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> umm..  how do you do that?
[01:09] <K_Dallas> i am pretty happy with mplayer thanks
[01:10] <K_Dallas> mplayer does that for video or audio
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> I asked how
[01:10] <K_Dallas> flag: -dumpstream
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> no I mean...  ...   how do I do it?
[01:10] <K_Dallas> or -dumpaudio -dumpvideo
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> where do I get these TV shows and such?
[01:10] <K_Dallas> lol
[01:11] <K_Dallas> online TVs are not really worth looking for unless you look for something that you cannot get on the cable or from sayellite
[01:11] <K_Dallas> which is my case
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> o
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> or if you don't have a TV
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> like me
[01:11] <K_Dallas> still you could record online radios, programs that you do not want to miss
[01:11] <K_Dallas> lol
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> not that I need one
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> actually, that would be a large improvement.  My family's VCR really really sucks
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> if I could get a computer to record their shows for them, they'd love that
[01:12] <K_Dallas> tiglionabbit, most american TV shows are not available thru torrent or P2P networks
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> oh, you mean torrent?  Um, why wouldn't vlc be able to play something you've already torrented?  I don't understand the difference here
[01:13] <Amaranth> Please don't discuss illegal activities.
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> torrenting TV isn't illegal, is it?
[01:14] <thenuke> why it would not be
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> I mean, if it was, so would TiVo
[01:14] <Choubaka> nah.
[01:14] <thenuke> tivo is like VCR and such :D
[01:14] <Choubaka> TiVo is different.
[01:15] <DarkraD-> hello
[01:15] <thenuke> it's not like grabbing shows from p2p
[01:15] <DarkraD-> is there a link to download ubuntu dvd?
[01:15] <DarkraD-> the torrent one sux
[01:15] <Choubaka> The guys distributing the shows on p2p do not have licence to do so.
[01:15] <DarkraD-> and the one on cdimage is corrupted
[01:15] <DarkraD-> it's an empty image
[01:15] <Choubaka> it's still not illegal to download them where I live though
[01:16] <DarkraD-> u download it in a sec, since it's empty image
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> um, why do you need a licence to distribute TV?
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> how is it different from taping something and distributing the tapes?
[01:16] <DarkraD-> anybody know?
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> I never heard of that being illegal.  TV doesn't have those government DO NOT REPRODUCE warnings on it
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> DarkraD-: um, I just waited for the torrent
[01:17] <psychicdragon> a lot of the tv shows on net are rips of dvds, which do
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> hm
[01:17] <DarkraD-> possible that it's nowhere ?! =\
[01:17] <Choubaka> tiglionabbit: it's large-scale.
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> do they release the dvds before the actual show then?  Because there are a lot of shows that come out on the net shortly after they're shown on TV
[01:17] <DarkraD-> i downloaded the cd, but it has not my langiuage package
[01:18] <selinium> Has anyone here use the Zend Optimizer on a webserver?
[01:18] <DarkraD-> plus i can't set more than 640x480 =\
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> =[
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> it makes me sad when people have problems with ubuntu, because I love it so
[01:19] <DarkraD-> can be possible that dvd package had the package i need for my video card?
[01:19] <DarkraD-> it's a geforce
[01:19] <DarkraD-> so quite common
[01:19] <DarkraD-> possible that can't be set more than 640 480
[01:20] <DarkraD-> i can choose 320 x ___
[01:20] <DarkraD-> =\
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> DarkraD-: you probably need to download the drivers from nvidia's website
[01:20] <Fator_Dee> DarkraD-: your screen resolutions are way too low? is that the prob?
[01:20] <bigfoot> how do i remove  the the suggested applications to load a particular type of file? (In the mouse context menu)?
[01:21] <psychicdragon> DarkraD: see this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: right-click, Open With Other Appliation.  Just like windows...
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> or you can...
[01:22] <DarkraD-> k will see thx
[01:22] <psychicdragon> np
[01:22] <Fator_Dee> DarkraD-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto you could try that also
[01:22] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i know that. my question is, after I select that "other application," that application is now on the suggested list in the context menu...
[01:23] <bigfoot> oh, i realized i didn't state my thing in a question form, but you understand 8-)
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> oh.  Right-click and go to properties.  There's an Opens With tab with add/remove buttons on it
[01:24] <thenuke> umm humm.. Is it possible to use this VNC(VINO) so that it does not takeover desktop of the user who is currently logged in?
[01:24] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thanks!
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: well it would have to take over somebody's desktop, right?  You probably want a different feature, like a remote login...  I don't know how to do that
[01:25] <thenuke> tiglionabbit: okey then. I wonder if there is such client for windows :)
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> you can do an Appliations->System Tools-> New Login to get another window manager up in a virtual terminal (#8) and perhaps it would use that one instead
[01:25] <dave> hi, is it ok to ask n00b questions here?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> yes
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> we're all human beings here, right?
[01:26] <K_Dallas> nah, some are bots
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> lol, true
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: do you mean the vnc server that comes with ubuntu? that remote desktop?
[01:26] <thenuke> tiglionabbit: wellh, I would need to be able to do that remotely
[01:26] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: yes
[01:26] <selinium> I have downloaded the zend optimizer for PHP, it say to run ./install.sh but it doesn't do anything. the file is a tar.gz... What do i do?
[01:26] <dave> i just wacked my /etc/modules file -- no backup -- is there one on the install cd that i could throw in so i don't get a kernel panic on reboot (at least that's what i expect would happen)
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: you can change it from the server properties if you want others to be able to take over your desktop
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> yeah..  There are some other remote desktop applications, some come with kubuntu.  I'd have to test em out, thenuke.  I know if you use cygwin you can run an X session remotely though
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: and you can set a password for it
[01:27] <goldfish_> selinium: u have untarred it, yes?
[01:27] <floater_> how do I remove glide from the module list? I can't run x because it fails to load module glide
[01:27] <wdh> floater_, sudo dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg
[01:27] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: umm.. I dont want to disable the remote connections :P
[01:27] <bigfoot> now related to that, you know when you go to the "Other Applications" window? Well, when you start typing, it does a search in the list of programs. But somehow it's not working well.For example, when I type "vim," what gets selected is VLC for GTK+   . Is this a bug in Hoary?
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> fator-dee: what he wants is to be able to call a login (gdm) remotely
[01:27] <wdh> last menu iirc
[01:27] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: I just would like to be able to log in remotely
[01:27] <selinium> goldfish_ nope.... Very new to this kind of thing, wasn't sure where to untar it to.
[01:27] <thenuke> Into the X I mean
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: aah
[01:27] <goldfish_> selinium: no problemo.
[01:28] <goldfish_> selinium: tar xvzf blah.tar.gz
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> dave: when you said n00b questions, I didn't know you meant that!
[01:28] <dave> hehe
[01:28] <wdh> floater_, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' that is
[01:28] <psychicdragon> selinium, tar zxvf file.tar.gz... then ./install.sh
[01:28] <goldfish_> selinium: then cd into the directory it makes, then run that command.
[01:28] <goldfish_> the ./install one
[01:28] <selinium> Cheers guys!
[01:28] <teknomaniac> hi i'm new ,i have opto 325 a4tech mosue with 4 buttons and 2 scrolls,and scroll works but 2 extra buttons don't,i want to have this button like a back and forward ,how can i do this without special program,maybe i could change something in XF86config-4 :
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> dave: I don't really know what you an do about that...  sounds bad.  Why'd ya do it?
[01:28] <fuflo> hi. i have (maybe a stupid) question.. how is it made in ubuntu: when i choose lithuanian lang at setup, after instaling ubuntu it is like on windows. the main kb layout is LT which is lithuanian ;) and if i press alt, it temporaly changes to US. now everything would be ok, but ubuntu i can press shift, and then alt and it still changes the layout. but here, on my other distro if i press shift, and then alt nothing happens. now my question is, how do
[01:28] <teknomaniac> Section "InputDevice"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Driver		"mouse"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ExplorerPS/2"
[01:29] <teknomaniac> 	#Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[01:29] <Fator_Dee> gah
[01:29] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[01:29] <teknomaniac> EndSection
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> stop pasting!
[01:29] <Fator_Dee> make it stop
[01:29] <K_Dallas> one more line and you had been kicked :)
[01:29] <dave> tiglionabbit: it wasn't intentional -- not enough coffee this morning
[01:30] <fuflo> anyone reading my Q ? :)
[01:30] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, would you know the answer to the 2nd question i asked?
[01:30] <bigfoot> 8-)
[01:30] <teknomaniac> sory i use ctrl+v and i don't want to make so much line
[01:30] <bigfoot> fuflo, you forgot a nose for your sideways smiley. :)    ----->   :-)
[01:30] <fuflo> i dont have one
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: sec, lots of text, lemme read back
[01:31] <dave> ah, well.  thx guys
[01:31] <fuflo> so? anyone have answer to my question? :/
[01:31] <sijp> fulfo, are you using gnome or KDE?
[01:32] <bigfoot> fuflo, did you know that your question is unfinished?
[01:32] <lanius> how well does ubuntu run on a p300 700 with 384m bram=
[01:32] <fuflo> bigfoot: no
[01:32] <bigfoot> it is.
[01:32] <Fator_Dee> lanius: quite good
[01:32] <Fackamato> lanius: quite well
[01:32] <fuflo> sijp: currently nothing
[01:32] <fuflo> but i prefer gnome
[01:32] <lanius> better than windows98?
[01:32] <Fator_Dee> lanius: install xfce4, might be better than gnome
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: no, I'd say that's just the autoguesser thing estimating what you want based on the number of letters.  If you want to enter a command, click the arrow down there to enter it as a terminal command
[01:32] <fuflo> bigfoot: then help me finish it
[01:33] <Fator_Dee> lanius: or fluxbox/blackbox/openbox/icewm
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> fulfo: you got cut off after "now, my question is, how do"
[01:33] <fuflo> eh
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> irc limits the number of letters
[01:33] <K_Dallas> that is the worst place to be cut short ;)
[01:33] <fuflo> wait then.. ;)
[01:34] <fuflo> " ... how do i do that like on ubuntu? "
[01:34] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, autoguessing? i don't get it. How come it can't select the rigth command based on what you typed? Guessing is not really necessary for the function, wouldn't you agree? If it's as you say it is, how come "Run Command" works much better at guessing? 8-)
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: because the guesser is guessing what you want from the items displayed.  You may have to go down a level to find the thing you want...   and, i don't know
[01:35] <Fator_Dee> fuflo: try to find the keyboard shortcuts configuration?
[01:35] <sijp> well, I configured the layout in x.org which is my prefered waym but you can do it under gnome with it's wizard
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: besides, vim isn't on that list for me
[01:36] <underdog> Guys... I'm using breezy right now. Is there a reason that keybindings aren't working?
[01:36] <fuflo> Fator_Dee: huh? first of all i want to know if its gnome option, or plain xorg.conf
[01:36] <Fator_Dee> underdog: it's not stable, that's why
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> underdog: read the topic line?
[01:36] <underdog> ie. using nautilus and pressing ctrl + x it closes the window
[01:36] <Fator_Dee> underdog: look the /topic
[01:36] <underdog> Fator_Dee: I noticed the topic when I joined, thank you :)
[01:36] <sijp> fuflo, it can be both, there are two ways to achive the same result
[01:37] <sijp> there is a wizard in gnome, that do that
[01:37] <flipy> in a server installation of ubuntu hoary, does it come with some kind of auto-mount utility?
[01:37] <fuflo> sijp: well i know things like grp:switch,grp:lswitch in xorg.conf. but it doesnt act like on ubuntu. :/
[01:38] <sijp> ummm... did you looked at your ubuntu's xorg.conf ?
[01:38] <sijp> look*
[01:39] <fuflo> i dont have that anymore.
[01:39] <fuflo> but as i looked before i saw only one layout defined. that was "lt"
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> flipy: auto mount what?
[01:39] <flipy> a usb mass storage device
[01:40] <tiglionabbit> hmm, dunno, usb devices have worked for me but I haven't tried that.  Try plugging it in and typing lsusb
[01:40] <sijp> there was no something like :         Option  "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
[01:40] <warty> help
[01:40] <fuflo> sijp: nope
[01:40] <warty> my monitor is fliping
[01:40] <fuflo> thats the idea..
[01:40] <tiglionabbit> sijp: there's options for those under System->Preferences->Keyboard
[01:40] <warty> i cant load ubuntu
[01:41] <sijp> then it was probably configured under the gnome configs
[01:41] <sijp> yes, that one
[01:41] <warty> help please!
[01:41] <tiglionabbit> fliping?
[01:42] <warty> lot of lines up down
[01:42] <fuflo> hm. i used gnome for a while, looked at those settings and they looked identical to xorg's. so i think it should be possible to do the same on plain xorg :/
[01:42] <warty> i dont know very good englis
[01:42] <flipy> tiglionabbit: a usb mass storage device
[01:42] <tiglionabbit> um, fixresolutionhowto?
[01:42] <warty> but is like a piece of paper
[01:43] <wdh> flipy, try 'lsusb' and see if it is listed when plugged in
[01:43] <wdh> or plug it in and run 'dmesg'
[01:43] <sijp> fuflo, I don't know, that alt feature is not something i use, I change it with ALT+SHIFT :/
[01:43] <flipy> wdh: if I plugged it, it is detected
[01:43] <flipy> the thing is to automount it
[01:43] <warty> tiglionabbit is loading the kernel and when i have to log in i cant
[01:44] <FireBox> Has anyone in here got tightvncserver working?
[01:44] <warty> because is flipping
[01:44] <fuflo> sijp: well yeah. changing it permanently works. but i want it to change only when i'm holding alt.
[01:44] <warty> tiglionabbit can help me please
[01:44] <sijp> sorry, I cannot help :/
[01:45] <fuflo> anyway.. thanks everyone for your time.. if i come up with a solution ill give you a word.. ;)
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> warty: I don't really know anything about that problem
[01:45] <warty> help
[01:46] <manitoba98xp> Hello all, I am using Ubuntu Hoary. I have a couple questions about the keyboard shortcuts in GNOME. First, I noticed the "eject" feature, which is a lot like the feature in Mac OS X (necessary, because the eMacs, particularly, have the actual button inaccessible). However, I haven't found a way to bring it back in. I know, from the command-line, I can use "eject" to eject it and "eject -t" to bring it back in.
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> warty: All I can do is point you to this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:46] <K_Dallas> manitoba98xp, cdrecord -load dev=your device
[01:47] <bigfoot> Hello, I'm trying to configure Firefox to run a certain application when I click a certain file, I try to rummage through but I cant' find the application's location. how do i do it?
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: there are several ways
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> ony way, if you know the name of the application, is to say "which" followed by the name of it
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> it will show you which binary it would use for that command
[01:48] <warty> but i cant pass the login session
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> warty: you can use a virtual terminal by hitting control-alt-F1, as well as the other F buttons.  1-6 are text, 7 is the login screen
[01:48] <warty> is not working too
[01:48] <warty> i tried
[01:49] <manitoba98xp> cdrecord -load dev=/dev/cdrom just pulls it in, but doesn't eject it if it is closed.
[01:49] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: if you know the name of the deb package, you can say dpkg -L and the name of the package to list the things installed by it.  Then there's 'locate'.  You can say locate and the name of the file, but make sure you run 'sudo updatedb' first or it wont find new things
[01:50] <Fator_Dee> question, how well ubuntu installs on a computer with a only a sata-harddrive? what about if I have a sata-drive and an ata-drive?
[01:51] <manitoba98xp> Can anyone help me?
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: or...  you could say echo $PATH and it would give you a list of places it looks for applications in
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> manitoba98xp: um..  no idea.  Try google.  It doesn't seem super important though.
[01:51] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: what do you need to do exactly?
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> he wants to be able to close his cd drive from the gui I think
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> Well, I want functionality similar to that on Mac OS X.
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> But I want one button to close or open the CD drive, depending on its current state.
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> then get a mac.  =P.
[01:52] <Fator_Dee> hmm, I don't know if you can do that, can't you just press the button on the drive :->
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> okay, manitoba, since you know the command, why not MAKE a button?
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> (I know about eject and eject -t)
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> I mean a keyboard shortcut, sorry.
[01:52] <picochu> hi guys i need to ask a question, to what extent are deb packages compatible with ubuntu
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> oh
[01:53] <manitoba98xp> And I can't press the actual button, it's an Apple eMac.
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: oh
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> picochu: ubuntu is based on debian.  Everything is deb
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: I'n not on my gnome comp, but I think you could make a keaboard shortvut that executes "eject" or "eject -t"
[01:53] <roshlame> hello
[01:54] <picochu> tiglionabbit: come on. it`s more than that. it's like saying Mandrake and Red Hat are the same because they both use rpms
[01:54] <manitoba98xp> OK, but how can I assign that to a keyboard shortcut? I don't see any "custom" button or anything.
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> manitoba98xp: um, system->preferences->keboard shortcuts
[01:54] <selinium> I have an old Athlon 900 in my machine, is it worth installing the CPU specific kernel sudo apt-get install linux-k7   ?
[01:54] <manitoba98xp> I know, I'm there.
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> picochu: no, but ubuntu is specifically BUILT on debian
[01:55] <manitoba98xp> I don't see how I can add a custom shortcut.
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> picochu: read the ubuntu website
[01:55] <Gog> OT: anyone here used a Canon pixma ip4000r printer over ethernet?
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> manitoba98xp: the eject one doesn't work?
[01:55] <manitoba98xp> It just ejects, I can't get it to take it back in.
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> the keyboard shortcuts manager is kind of primitive, I know.  I hope they bling it up later
[01:56] <manitoba98xp> Apparently, they used to allow customization.
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> odd
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> but still, the thing's hanging out there, you can just push it back in, right?
[01:57] <looksaus> about half a year ago, I mentioned on the ubuntu-bounty-proposals wiki I would be willing to spend ?100 on a gstreamer MIDI bounty
[01:57] <roshlame> My xine-ui puts an error message that it is missing "Audio Codec: MPEG Layer 2/3"
[01:57] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: you could make a button on the panel :-\
[01:57] <roshlame> Does anyone know what library exactly i have to download?
[01:57] <picochu> tiglionabbit: it just said it is based on debian. nothing on deb compatibilty
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> roshlame: well, perhaps you need mpeg2
[01:57] <looksaus> is there a way I can still get it included into the http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[01:57] <looksaus> ?
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> roshlame: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <roshlame> thank you
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> it's under the DVD setion
[01:58] <manitoba98xp> Aha, I think I found the solution.
[01:58] <manitoba98xp> I opened gconf-editor and went into apps>metacity
[01:59] <toran> hey guys, when will the latest version of fluxbox make it into the repository?
[01:59] <picochu> tiglionabbit: <quote>   Ubuntu and Debian are distinct but parallel and closely linked systems </quote>
[01:59] <manitoba98xp> There are 10 customizable commands.
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> picochu: ubuntu's primary way of installing software is through synAPTic, which uses ONLY debian packages.  Everything ubuntu uses to install is a deb package.
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> in fact, nearly any debian package can be installed on ubuntu
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> but some can't, I've been told
[02:00] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thanks. I have found the location via "Run Command." For example, click on the application titled "Archive Manager." The blank on the top will show "file-roller". But is file-roller in the home directory? or bin directory? See, this is my problem.
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> quote: Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built".
[02:01] <picochu> tiglionabbit: that's what i am asking for are debians deb compatible. so it would seem like debian and ubuntu debs are not entirely compatible... much like RH/Mandrake.
[02:01] <selinium> Has anyone here used a CPU specific kernel before?
[02:02] <picochu> selinium: would you like to rephrase that? cos all kernels are cpu specific
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> picochu: sure.  In synaptic, tested ubuntu debs have an ubuntu logo next to them
[02:02] <warty> help me please
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> um, I really need to sleep
[02:02] <goldfish_> warty: what;s wrong?
[02:02] <warty> i cant load all of my hoary
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> his screen is wigging in X I believe
[02:03] <picochu> tiglionabbit: what i would like to do is to run debian debs on ubuntu . it's not available from synaptic
[02:03] <nuliukas> selinium, i believe that pretty much everyone uses them, excpet ones stuck with default i386
[02:03] <warty> is loading the kernel and when i have to log in the monitor is flipping
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> picochu: you could add those repositories
[02:03] <picochu> tiglionabbit i
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> synaptic is just an apt frontend.  It will do anything apt will
[02:03] <selinium> picochu: On this thread it says to install the CPU specific kernel.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 I have an old athlon 900
[02:04] <picochu> tiglionabbit: i'd love to but they are not GPLed
[02:04] <psychicdragon> toran, fluxbox 0.9.13 is in the backports repository. is that the one you're looking for?
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> picochu: um, so?
[02:04] <toran> yaeh
[02:04] <toran> psychicdragon: how do I install it, then?
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> picochu: you can use dpkg
[02:05] <picochu> tiglionabbit: i just want to know if there's any problem before i take the plunge.
[02:05] <tapia> hi
[02:05] <Einhoernchen> hi all
[02:05] <Einhoernchen> plzzzzzzzzzzzz some fast help
[02:05] <tapia> I'm getting an error while trying to update
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> picochu: k.  Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar.  I wouldn't worry too much
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> tapia: what sort of error?
[02:05] <tapia> Setting up xbase-clients (6.8.2-21) ...
[02:05] <tapia> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[02:06] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, so to give a specific task: how do i find the location of file-roller, when "Run Applictions" says that it's not in any subdirectory?
[02:06] <psychicdragon> toran, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories, follow the steps there. then search for fluxbox in synaptic
[02:06] <Einhoernchen> ive installed gnome on my kubuntu and the gnome-bar is missing
[02:06] <tapia> any idea? :-)
[02:06] <nuliukas> selinium, kernel-image-(KERNEL VERSION)-k7
[02:06] <Einhoernchen> WHERE is it?
[02:06] <Einhoernchen> !seen mindspin
[02:06] <selinium> nuliukas: When I installed from the CD what version would it of installed?
[02:07] <Einhoernchen> can anybody tell me? what I've done wrong?
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: find it in the applications menu, right-click and select edit.  You should see the command it uses there.  Oh, and you can use `apropos something` at the terminal to look for stuff that does whatever something is
[02:07] <picochu> tiglionabbit: coz i remembered reading some deb dev bitching about ubuntu debs not entirely debian compatible
[02:07] <nuliukas> selinium, write in terminal uname -r
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> I don't know what the difference is, picochu.  When I need to use an rpm, I just turn it into a deb
[02:08] <warty> <goldfish_can u have an idea what the pb is?
[02:08] <Einhoernchen> please guys
[02:08] <roshlame> tiglionabbit, that does not help me much... i use xine, and it says something about mplayer, I can't even apt-get the mplayer package, perhaps it is no longer supported
[02:08] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, right-clicking does'nt give me the option to edit.
[02:08] <goldfish_> warty: nope, sorry,
[02:08] <warty> ok
[02:08] <selinium> nuliukas: 2.6.10-5-386, So i will go for the K7 version, Cheers for you r help!
[02:08] <goliat> hello guys
[02:08] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, only "Add launcher to panel" and a nesting folder called "Entire menu".
[02:08] <goliat> does squidguard have a graphical interface on ubuntu
[02:08] <nuliukas> selinium, you're welcome :)
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> roshlame: you need to add the backports repositories.  The one listed in the faq is down for overtraffic.  Go to http://backports.ubuntuforums.com and read about it
[02:09] <toran> psychicdragon: I did taht, and then did apt-get update
[02:09] <toran> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:09] <Einhoernchen> *crys-out-loud*
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> I mean backports.ubuntuforums.org
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> that repository is down
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> read the site
[02:09] <toran> thanks
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> oh, gzip. nm
[02:09] <toran> oh :(
[02:09] <Einhoernchen> where is my taskbar in gnome?
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> maybe it's just that package, in which you should refresh, and maybe add another repository
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> Einhoernchen: um, on the bottom of the screen?
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> nope
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> it isnt there
[02:10] <picochu> selinium it should work alright. i586/k7/i686 kernels should work fine
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> :-(
[02:10] <warty> how i give reset to hoary?
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> there is just an empty panel
[02:10] <DanglyBits> where can we download backports for hoary then ?
[02:10] <selinium> picochu: cheers
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> nothin more
[02:10] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, anyway i found the command line, by first adding it to my panel. But where in the world is that? Is that the home directory? If so, i don't see it there, even whe i have hidden files shown.
[02:10] <picochu> selinium: fingers crossed.
[02:10] <shido> ok where do I find the modules that get loaded with th "1" and "0" at the end
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> right-click the top panel and select "New Panel" and choose tasbar
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> einhorehacnchen
[02:11] <selinium> picochu: :D
[02:11] <Einhoernchen> w00t?
[02:11] <Einhoernchen> wait
[02:11] <DanglyBits> where can we download backports for hoary then ?
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> holy crap so many questions, I can't handle all this.
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php  <-- lists Backports mirrors
[02:11] <warty> can anybody heart about:is loading the kernel and when i have to log in the monitor is flipping,so i cant log in
[02:12] <Einhoernchen> tiglionabbit, why do i have to "construct" the taskbar myself?
[02:12] <picochu> tiglionabbit: they should run a bot here to answer faqs
[02:12] <selinium> For info on getting other repositories goto www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:12] <tiglionabbit> picochu: there's a faqs section on ubuntulinux.com
[02:12] <thoreauputic> ! help
[02:12] <ubotu> I guess help is /msg apt help
[02:12] <tiglionabbit> I don't really like ubuntuguide.  It's not very helpful, and doesn't explain to you what it's doing
[02:13] <toran> could someone take a look at my apt-get update errors? http://pastebin.ca/13096
[02:13] <warty> can anybody heart about:when is loading the kernel and when i have to log in the monitor is flipping,so i cant log in, is flipping and just flipping
[02:13] <picochu> warty: can it even boot to single user mode?
[02:13] <tiglionabbit> yeah, ubuto is a bit messed.  YOu can give ubotu commands by saying "ubotu info something"
[02:13] <Einhoernchen> ok
[02:13] <Einhoernchen> thanx
[02:13] <Einhoernchen> bye
[02:13] <warty> i dont know
[02:14] <warty> how do that?
[02:14] <picochu> warty can you try that?
[02:14] <selinium> Hi thoreauptic. Whats up?
[02:14] <bigfoot> can anyone tell me where file-roller is located on our hard drives?
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> toran: you just need to remove the backports repository, as it is down.  Use one of the mirrors on the site I mentioned
[02:14] <reka> toran: are you sure you want backports?  that seems like the problem.
[02:14] <warty> picochu how do that?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> hi selinium - same old same old :)
[02:15] <toran> I need backports for the latest version of fluxbox :(
[02:15] <reka> bigfoot: type which file-roller
[02:15] <tiglionabbit> yay, someone else answering
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> toran: I said, use the mirrors.  Read this site http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[02:16] <toran> ok, thanks
[02:16] <toran> ohhhhh
[02:16] <bigfoot> reka; thanks it works! You see, i got confused when all i saw as to its path was "file-roller"
[02:16] <bigfoot> thanks.
[02:16] <toran> now I get it
[02:16] <selinium> I have just installed the CPU specific kernel K7 to my system.... Just going for the reboot now! I may be some time!
[02:16] <toran> tiglionabbit: I thought you were saying to put that site as the repo
[02:16] <toran> no wonder it didn't work
[02:16] <useruser> warty: interrupt grub during the countdown on bootup and select single user from the menu
[02:16] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have just installed the CPU specific kernel K7 to my system.... Just going for the reboot now! I may be some time!
[02:16] <shido> where do I set audio cards primary , etc
[02:16] <reka> bigfoot: np.  'which' is pretty useful.  most exectuables however are usually in /usr/bin
[02:16] <shido> with a "0" or -2 , etc
[02:17] <bigfoot> reka, it's in usr/bin, as you say.
[02:17] <bigfoot> how did you know this command, reka? do you study linux or something?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> selinium: should work fine, don't get lost in the Antarctic ;)
[02:17] <bigfoot> or go through each command of linux?
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: I know it too
[02:17] <picochu> warty you need to append the line where you specify the kernel with a the word "single" at the end
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> it's standard unix
[02:17] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you did? how come you did'nt tell me? 8-) or did you? 8-)
[02:18] <reka> bigfoot: :-)  picked it up along the way.  you'll begin to learn useful commands as well sooner or later.
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> because I was swamped with questions, and wanted to make sure it was file-roller with a hyphon
[02:18] <picochu> warty: you'd proabably need to do it interatively at grub's prompt
[02:18] <bigfoot> reka, you mean i can't stick to the GUI? 8-)
[02:18] <reka> bigfoot: free books: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html search for "linux" if you want.
[02:18] <warty> ok
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: the command I ran was "apropos roller"
[02:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: such nobility - so british ;-)
[02:18] <warty> let me see
[02:18] <useruser> warty: why do you need to know where the executable is?
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> useruser: to tell firefox what to open the file with
[02:19] <picochu> thoreauputic': brits aren't that bad ;)
[02:19] <reka> bigfoot: sure you can.  but you're usually limited to what you can do with it.
[02:19] <bigfoot> useruser, well, because i'm configuring my firefox to open up some programs with certain links.
[02:19] <useruser> tiglionabbit: ah. that interface sucks for newbies
[02:19] <useruser> tiglionabbit: it should use the gnome menu
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> I agree.  I was really surprised when it expected me to know where the bin was
[02:20] <thoreauputic> picochu: I was referring to the genuinely noble situation selinium was quoting: from the sad story of Scott in the Antarctic
[02:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:20] <picochu> tiglionabbit ubuntu still needs polishing
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> yep
[02:20] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i'm did the apropos roller command, and it's nice coz it tells you files that have the word roller in it, but apropos doesn't say where the file is located in the hard drive.
[02:20] <bigfoot> or does it? can it?
[02:20] <picochu> thoreauputic okay. guess i missed that
[02:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: I know, it doens't.  I wanted to make sure that's what the file was called.  Then, you can say which and use that name
[02:21] <bigfoot> oh, i see.
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> use apropos when you need to know what to run things with
[02:21] <picochu> thoreauputic i suspect that he's british... no yanks in the right mind would use the phrase cheers `. ;)....
[02:21] <useruser> bigfoot: or if you're not afraid of errors you can try both :)
[02:22] <bigfoot> how come "run applications" doesn't show the full path, and just "file-roller" for the path of archive manager? That's not really helpful, is it? 8-)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> picochu: " I may be some time" is what a member of the expedition said before leaving the tent to die in an attempt to save the other surviving people
[02:22] <reka> picochu: aussies use it a lot.
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: because there is a variable called $PATH which tells it where to look for the file.
[02:22] <picochu> reka: only when they are drinking... but then again...have you ever seen a aussie that doesnt? :P
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> your computer doesn't have to know
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> it finds it
[02:22] <bigfoot> i don't understand how apropos can help one decide which program to run whatever with, tiglionabbit .
[02:23] <picochu> selinium you're alive!
[02:23] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, yes the comp finds it, but not firefox.
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: get on a foreign machine, and say apropos ftp
[02:23] <bigfoot> picochu, i'm alive, too
[02:23] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:23] <bigfoot> what's a foreign machine?
[02:23] <picochu> bigfoot good for you :D
[02:23] <krzysiek> hello
[02:23] <bigfoot> I have only one pc here.
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> there are a lot of different ftp programs.  You might profit from knowing which ones are around
[02:23] <selinium> picochu: Popped back to the tent for tea and biscuits! :)
[02:23] <krzysiek> I got a question
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> oh, I mean someone else's box
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> or you can do it for yourself
[02:23] <goldfish_> krzysiek: ask away
[02:23] <krzysiek> how to switch from Hoary to Hoary for amd64?
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> it's a quick search through applications you've got
[02:24] <picochu> tea? ...it's barely past noon in uk!
[02:24] <goldfish_> krzysiek: em....
[02:24] <krzysiek> is this possible to do this with apt?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> selinium: you are using up our ration supply!  Can you give me a specific anecdote where this command helped you?
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> heheh, on debian I had a program called "wtf".  You could say "wtf is firefox" or "wtf is emacs" and it would tell you the one-liner describing it in its manual page
[02:24] <picochu> thoreauputic: as long as he stays away from the beer. I'm fine with that
[02:25] <picochu> useruser: replace tea with beer
[02:25] <thoreauputic> picochu: nah, the beer is useless - it's frozen solid ;)
[02:25] <krzysiek> I got cd with hoary for amd64 but it doesn't want to install (error on "installing base system")
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> in fact, I want to install wtf.  It was fun
[02:25] <selinium> picochu: 13:30 About time for a little luncheon. Cucumber sandwich anyone?
[02:25] <useruser> picochu: well, as long as you don't try both at once
[02:25] <reka> tiglionabbit: it's in bsdgames iirc
[02:25] <krzysiek> I installed hoary for x86 and now I would like to replace packages for amd64 architecture
[02:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: my dear Oscar - please refrain
[02:25] <bigfoot> selinium, hook me up with some cucumber sandwhiches. Add some turkey meat and gravy to mine, please!
[02:26] <picochu> useruser: after the tenth pint you can'
[02:26] <picochu> can`t tell the difference
[02:26] <mez> grr
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> reka: thank you!  you are correct
[02:26] <mez> damn you peopel talkign abotu alcohol
[02:26] <mez> I want my Vodka nbow
[02:26] <bigfoot> selinium, oh, and the cucumbers are optional on mine..
[02:26] <reka> tiglionabbit: so it's installed by default on debian?
[02:26] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, any specific instances when the apropos command was helpful for you?
[02:27] <selinium> bigfoot: LOL where do you want it mailed?
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> reka: no, I think I used dselect to pull the games packages for me
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> on install
[02:27] <bigfoot> um, just email it me, selinium.
[02:27] <bigfoot> vegemite is salty stuff!
[02:27] <picochu> vegemite... haven't seen that for ages
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: it's helpful all the time
[02:27] <selinium>  /me lifts his cup and saucer to sip [little finger extended]
[02:27] <herpes> marmite is nicer
[02:27] <reka> nothing like salt on toast :-)
[02:27] <useruser> s/Vegemite/Marmite/g
[02:27] <herpes> much nicer
[02:28] <toran> yay selinium!
[02:28] <toran> gotta have that pinky up :P
[02:28] <thoreauputic> selinium: i say, Old Chap - nice to see there are a few gents with manners remaining
[02:28] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i'm sorry for my lack of experience, but at this point in time, i don't see how it can help me. THat's why i'd like to ask you how it _specific_ stories of how it helped you.
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: like the example I gave.  Say 'apropos ftp' and look at what it lists.  Those are all different ftp programs you can use!
[02:28] <picochu> useruser: some how those vegimite reminds me of cod liver oil.....
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: I'm just trying to get you comfortable with a few unixisms
[02:29] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thanks for making it clear to me with your 2nd to last message. I undersnand.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> picochu: both should be used sparingly and with discretion..
[02:29] <selinium> thoreauputic: a few of of left to carry on the principles of crochet and Pimm's on a hot summers day!
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> =p no need for sarcasm.  And that was just a near repetition of my second message
[02:30] <selinium> thoreauputic: a few of of left to carry on the principles of croquet and Pimm's on a hot summers day!
[02:30] <picochu> thoreauputic they should put biohazard sign on those two
[02:30] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i don't know... should i whip out a memo and start recording this commands i'm learning in this chatroom (i.e. which, apropos, ...) ?
[02:30] <selinium> Croquet even!
[02:30] <useruser> selinium: heh. crocheting while pissed on pimms sounds more fun
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: no, you should go to the library and pick up a book on basic unix
[02:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: heh - actually croquet is a killer aggressive game, when you think about the tactics :)
[02:30] <selinium> useruser: Indeed!
[02:31] <selinium> thoreauputic: it depends which balls you swing at! :)
[02:31] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:31] <picochu> bigfoot have you tried USAHB? aka the purple book?
[02:31] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: or read this pdf: http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf
[02:31] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i finally found the program for firefox to use. but how can i make that program the default program that firefox loads when i left-click the link?
[02:31] <bigfoot> picochu, no. i don't know either book.
[02:32] <picochu> bigfoot: Unix Sys Admin Handbook
[02:32] <picochu> it was red before that
[02:32] <useruser> bigfoot: there are less intimidating short guides on the net, I'm sure
[02:32] <bigfoot> Do i have to be a geek to use Linux?
[02:32] <tiggggr> it sure helps
[02:32] <bigfoot> I don't want to be any geekier than i already am. ...
[02:32] <SysFail> no, but you have to be willing to use google
[02:32] <picochu> bigfoot: no you just need to know the secret hand shake
[02:32] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no, you just turn into a geek without noticing it ;)
[02:33] <selinium> bigfoot: I hope not!
[02:33] <bigfoot> My eyes are saying "Please. No more geek-factor upgrade. Please, stay away from too much time on the computer!"
[02:33] <useruser> bigfoot: maybe the rute book is in ubuntu - apt-get install rutebook
[02:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: "The geek shall inherit the earth " ;-)
[02:34] <selinium> bigfoot: ONe thing I have noticed, people have stopped asking me to fix there Windows PCs, Fabulous!
[02:34] <picochu> damn cat wants to type too. just jumped on my kb
[02:34] <picochu> thoreauputic: all your bases are belong to us (geeks);)
[02:34] <bigfoot> I knew that Linux was for geeks years ago. But i though that the linux of today is, or should be, or will be, good enough, easy enough for Windows users, like our low-tech grandmothers, to make the switch....
[02:35] <reka> bigfoot: and have you found it to be true?
[02:35] <lamont> bigfoot: that's the goal
[02:35] <bigfoot> selinium, why the stop? Coz they switched to Linux?
[02:35] <useruser> bigfoot: you read the hype. you believed the hype. you lose :P
[02:35] <useruser> bigfoot: seriously, read http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/ when you have time
[02:35] <bigfoot> Well, i really don't have to go under the hood to use basic stuff like email and webbrowsing.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: for most stuff, once set up, that's true now (It's the setting up that rquires geekery)
[02:35] <picochu> frankly guys. I'd recommend Mac for those lusers ;P
[02:36] <bigfoot> setting up my comp was a hoary breeze!
[02:36] <picochu> it's still unix!
[02:36] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:36] <selinium> bigfoot: No because i did. For some reason they think I have forgotten 10 years of windows over night..... :)
[02:36] <bigfoot> selinium,  i see.
[02:36] <thoreauputic> picochu: yes, but the unix in OS-X is more hidden
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> picochu: I thought it was "Not Unix"
[02:37] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: he meant OS-X I think
[02:37] <picochu> tiglionabbit: i mean OSX
[02:37] <selinium> bigfoot: I am not sure how my Grandmother would take to having a hoary hedgehog on her machine... She's a little old fashioned!
[02:37] <bigfoot> useruser, i added that rute book as a bookmark.
[02:38] <leonel> Anyone with ubuntu as a Produccition  www/dns/mail/database server   how it goes  knowing that ubuntu is desktop oriented ?
[02:38] <picochu> thoreauputic but OS X has a screwed up way of mounting remote file systems
[02:38] <thoreauputic> picochu: indeed
[02:38] <reka> am i the only one with grandparents who don't use computers?
[02:38] <podge> Anyone here got a Pioneer 108?
[02:39] <picochu> thoreauputic: those apple programmers were probably smoking grass when they work on that
[02:39] <goldfish_> reka: Nope.
[02:39] <bigfoot> i wonder we all will still be using computers when we become hoary greyheads/baldies ourselves...
[02:39] <selinium> reka: she only uses the 'cup holder' on the front!  I am a little of that yet!
[02:42] <picochu> thoreauputic: i need proper driver support for my hardware, particularly my 3d gfx card...  Wow, it's a 6MB book!
[02:43] <[1] damn> thoreauputic: where
[02:43] <smith> rutebook?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> [1] damn:  man hdparm
[02:43] <[1] damn> thanks
[02:44] <[1] damn> and have they stopped doing the ubuntuguide.org add-on cd
[02:44] <reka> ok, dumb question.  is there a reference to which device corresponds to which in /dev?  for instance, what's the difference b/n cdrom and cdrw?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> [1] damn: yes - it was illegal
[02:44] <bigfoot> how come pdf's don't open in my firefox? I can view PDFs, but not in firefox.
[02:45] <[1] damn> oh nut
[02:45] <krzysiek> ehh no answer
[02:45] <picochu> reka just follow the links
[02:45] <krzysiek> come on guys
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: plugin missing
[02:45] <krzysiek> how to switch packages from x86 to amd64?
[02:45] <krzysiek> without reinstalling of course
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can get an acroread plugin if you really think it's a good idea (I don't, personally)
[02:46] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay. can i get a plugin that will load up fast? In other words, I don't need features such as inline searching, print preview, etc. I just need a basic PDF viewer.
[02:46] <reka> eww, acroread.
[02:46] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, how do _you_ view PDF files?
[02:46] <cumii> hello room
[02:46] <bigfoot> ... if you don't have the acroread plugin?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I just open them in xpdf
[02:46] <bigfoot> hello, cumii.
[02:46] <Goshawk> does anybody know something about google's summer code?
[02:46] <picochu> bigfoot there's xpdf you know
[02:47] <cumii> how to play mpg / avi / rm in ubuntu ?
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: any ghostscritp viewer will work too, like gv
[02:47] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i believe i have xpdf too. I think it was preinstalled by ubuntu.
[02:47] <selinium> krysiek: What are you using at the mo?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: correct
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: and it should appear as an option when you click on a pdf in ff
[02:47] <ian> hello ppl..
[02:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if not, go to edit > preferences and enable it
[02:48] <cumii> bigfoot : how to play mpg on ubuntu ?
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> well i really need some sleep.  I hope I was helpful to people.  And wow, thanks for that Rute Users Guide, looks like fun reading
[02:48] <bigfoot> it looks prehistoric, but because it does, i'm led to believe that it loads fast, and without any slow-speed-inducing extra features!
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> cumii: get mpeg codecs.  Run vlc or xine or mplayer
[02:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it is fast - and it works rather well
[02:48] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you were helpful. thank you. g'night.
[02:48] <picochu> tiglionabbit later
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> =} thank you
[02:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you want something prettier, install "evince"
[02:48] <selinium> tiglionabbit: Sleep well!
[02:49] <ian> i have a problem.. i tried to compile a kiax source..when i compiled it ..an error occured... xpm.h something is missing..when i tried to look the dir..which it points out..there is no xpm.h... what is this header? what package do i need to enable? :(
[02:49] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, the question is, though, what if the pdf file yo want to read is not a hyperlink? then you can't rightclick anything? What if i have the URL of the pdf? how then can i view the pdf?
[02:49] <picochu> shouldn't that be telinit 1?
[02:49] <picochu> :P
[02:49] <picochu> i mean telinit 0
[02:50] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i don't need something prettier for pretty's sake. i'm more after speed. It seems that loading pdf files take a longer time than regular html, because adobe acrobat takes a long time to open up.
[02:50] <plovs> anybody know where I can find docs on how to modify the install-cd (live-cd i found)
[02:50] <reka> bigfoot: if you've set it up right.  xpdf will start up and load it for you , just not in the browser page like acroread.
[02:50] <bigfoot> picochu, why did you virtual-slap me?
[02:50] <picochu> ian have you gone thru with the list of required packages? you might be missing one.
[02:50] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, you can download it ( e.g. wget -c http:// bah.foo.pdf )
[02:50] <cumii> thx
[02:50] <selinium> I have installed rutebook, how do i start it?
[02:50] <picochu> bigfoot: do i need a reason :D
[02:50] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, but if i put the url into FF, it won't work right?
[02:51] <bigfoot> picochu, oh, so you're insane, then 8-)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> bigfoot:  dunno - haven't tried it
[02:51] <ian> picochu: yes i think so.. when i read the install is says it only needs qt3..
[02:51] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it should pop up a dialog where you can choose your app, AFAIK
[02:51] <reka> bigfoot: edit->prefs : download section
[02:51] <bigfoot> reka, but the pdf _still_  must be a link in a webpage, right?
[02:51] <picochu> ian. the qt3 devels  do you have them installed?
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> got problems with xsession
[02:52] <bigfoot> afaik, thoreauputic ?
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> and something about ice
[02:52] <reka> actually, that might not work
[02:52] <thoreauputic> as far as I know
[02:52] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, no pop up dialog.
[02:53] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: what's the url?
[02:53] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf
[02:53] <ian> picochue: yes i haved.. when i search xpm in synaptic..there are many packages found.. what do i need to installed?:(
[02:53] <bigfoot> reka,  edit->prefs : download -> plugins. I looked up PDF. It is enabled. But why the problem?
[02:54] <ian> picochue: yes i have..installed qt3 dev
[02:54] <picochu> ian your guess is as good as mine
[02:54] <[1] damn> what do i need to install to play m4a file's
[02:54] <bigfoot> reka, oh, i see, the plugin only works if it's a hyperlink, right? Not if the URL is put into the addressbar, right?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: wget  http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf| xpdf
[02:54] <ian> picochue: what do you mean?
[02:54] <floater_> hi wodup. I tried to reconfigure my x and changed 'glide' to 'mga'. First with glide it said 'failed to load module glide and now with mga it says 'mga_hal does not exists'. I have a matrox mga g200 agp videocard on pci bus1 device 0 function 0. When configuring I chose pci 1,0,0 I think
[02:54] <selinium> bigfoot: i have installed rutebook with synaptic. Do you know how to view it?
[02:54] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay, thanks for teaching me the wget command, but is there no simpler way with firefox?
[02:55] <bigfoot> selinium, um, run rutebook?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: *shrug* right click, save as ?
[02:55] <cumii> anyone know where is link to download xine ?
[02:55] <reka> bigfoot: no a dialog box should pop up when any xpdf document is loaded, either by hyperlink or directly in the url bar
[02:55] <reka> *pdf document
[02:55] <selinium> bigfoot: sadly, no :(
[02:55] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i know! but like i said, what if it's not a hyperlink? What if i just got that URL from, say, in this chatroom?
[02:56] <picochu> ian. coz i have frankly no idea whiat the correct package is for your xpm.h.
[02:56] <reka> cumii: easy way: search for xine in synaptic
[02:56] <ian> picochu: :( ic..
[02:56] <bigfoot> selinium, overkill?
[02:56] <bigfoot> oh no. wrong.
[02:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I just told you a one second command to get it
[02:57] <bigfoot> okay.
[02:57] <selinium> bigfoot: ?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> wget isn't hard, surely?
[02:57] <picochu> ian: care to tell me what were you trying to compile
[02:57] <smith> man?
[02:57] <bigfoot> selinium, i give up. how do you open rutebook?
[02:57] <selinium> bigfoot: no idea! I have it installed, but I dont know how!  Now i see we both don't know.
[02:58] <picochu> selinium: it's automagic i tell you ;D
[02:58] <thoreauputic> selinium: try  dpkg -L rutebook to see the files it installed
[02:58] <smith> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/doc/rutebook
[02:58] <bigfoot> selinium, something like a knock-knock question, i supposed.
[02:58] <smith> html and pdf
[02:58] <ian> picochu: im compiling kiax a voip softphone for iax protocol.. i planning to shift to linux.. im still using windows.. this one app that i need.. i found kiax  http://kiax.sourceforge.net/en_download.html
[02:58] <selinium> thoreauputic: Just done that!
[02:59] <selinium> bigfoot: /usr/share/doc/rutebook/html
[02:59] <[1] damn> what do i need to install to play m4a file's
[02:59] <bigfoot> selinium, oh, it's just an html file? no different from viewing it online, is it?
[03:00] <selinium> bigfoot: nope
[03:00] <[1] damn> in ru
[03:00] <picochu> ian, you know there a kiax-Debian package
[03:00] <bigfoot> ok, time to delete rutebook!
[03:00] <selinium> bigfoot: there is a pdf aswell
[03:00] <bigfoot> 8-)
[03:00] <bigfoot> oh, is there?
[03:00] <ian> picochu: yes..i have download it.. but it cannot be installed :(
[03:00] <picochu> ian: bummer
[03:00] <smith> I prefer "googlebook"
[03:00] <selinium> bigfoot: /usr/share/doc/rutebook/rute.pdf.gz
[03:00] <Munkey> hi people
[03:01] <ian> picochu: bummer? what is that?  :(
[03:01] <bigfoot> hi person.
[03:01] <ian> picochu: :)
[03:01] <Munkey> i just installed Ubuntu on my other pc, and i booted it up for the first time, and it says "Grub Hard Disk error"
[03:01] <bigfoot> smith, what's googlebook?
[03:01] <Munkey> help? :s
[03:01] <smith> not yet
[03:01] <smith> but ...
[03:01] <the_fenrill> hi
[03:01] <picochu> ian: does the binary tar ball work?
[03:02] <jjesse> hello
[03:02] <smith> jjesse-_- hello
[03:02] <bigfoot> how do i uninstall rutebook from console?
[03:02] <ian> picochu: nope.. so thats why im planning to compiled it..
[03:02] <reka> Munkey: does the error give more detail?
[03:02] <drummer87> hi all again... is it possible to make windows minimize when their titlebar is double clicked?
[03:02] <picochu> ian: you're making my life difficult aren't you ;)