[07:33] <tronfo> hello?
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:07] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> \o gordonjcp
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> and bigcalm
[09:34]  * MartijnVdS just finished the main storyline in GTA V
[09:46] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: jeez, how long did it take?
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: 30ish hours of gaming
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: 5 days IRL
[09:58] <gordonjcp> heh
[10:14] <ali1234> when i play gta i just do taxi missions
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> the most boring part of the game
[10:14] <ali1234> because the storyline is always terrible and annoying
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> yay! backups all done - all 10 partitions [desktop & netbook both done]... & all successful
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> ....morning peeps ;)
[11:07] <penguin42> 10 partitions?
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> yup
[11:08] <SuperEngineer> desktop = 2 op systems, plus various storage - netbook 2 op systems
[11:09] <SuperEngineer> [always have a 'spare' system on a machine in case of problem with one
[11:09] <penguin42> ah I don't think I'd back up the operating systems
[11:10] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: on desktop it's a WinXP I use for purposes
[11:11] <penguin42> ah
[11:11] <SuperEngineer> ...just seems easier to restore from backup and add bootloader after restore if it should fail
[11:11] <penguin42> yeh let me correct what I said; I don't think I'd back up a Linux install
[11:12] <SuperEngineer> now what else was it I needed to do this weekend...?
[11:12] <SuperEngineer> whoops - that was it... pay that damn parking fine
[11:13]  * SuperEngineer sobs
[11:17]  * penguin42 always likes drivers who reduce his tax bill
[11:23]  * SuperEngineer gives up trying to find polite reply to that & bites his tongue instead!
[11:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:52] <SuperEngineer> 0/ brobostigon
[11:52] <brobostigon> afternoonings SuperEngineer
[12:01] <ali1234> i wonder if Monotoko was arrested yet?
[12:04] <penguin42> the only way we'll know if is if we don't see him again
[12:11] <SuperEngineer> what did M do?
[12:13] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Misdial the number of a customer when phoning to ask them for a login to a server he needed to fix
[12:13] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: The number he dialled gave him an ID anyway and turned out to be an airport or something
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> whoops!! [& lol] :D
[12:19] <penguin42> exactly
[15:40] <penguin42> how did it get back upto ~20c again?
[15:45] <Myrtti> they're actually telling here that we might get the first snow this week
[15:45] <Myrtti> I'm not entirely convinced
[15:46] <popey> yay!
[15:46] <popey> I *love* snow
[15:48] <marxjohnson> popey: Have you used your snow shovel yet?
[15:48] <popey> My fscking snow shovel?
[15:48] <popey> Yes.
[15:49] <marxjohnson> :)
[15:54] <daubers> Afternoon
[15:56] <popey> Pip pip
[15:58] <daubers> How do?
[16:05] <popey> great
[16:05] <popey> filing bugs on a sunday like you do
[16:06] <penguin42> sunday is bug day - any fun ones?
[16:06] <popey> mostly predictable
[16:06] <popey> bug 1228876
[16:06] <popey> bug 1228877
[16:06] <popey> bug 1228879
[16:06] <popey> bug 1228880
[16:07] <penguin42> still should keep someone busy to fix it
[16:07] <popey> bug 1228837
[16:07] <popey> yeah
[16:07] <popey> that one is annoying
[16:08] <popey> especially when trying to text your wife
[16:12] <penguin42> popey: hmm your bug doesn't say when it happens - is it random?
[16:16] <popey> penguin42: which?
[16:16] <penguin42> the keyboard collaps
[16:17] <popey> seems random
[16:17] <penguin42> yeh makes it tricky
[16:17] <penguin42> popey: Do you have any way of capturing the state of a misbehaving app?
[16:17] <popey> good question
[16:18] <popey> i know i can "adb shell" in and poke around while it's running
[16:18] <penguin42> some way of dumping the qt layout state - not sure of the details
[16:18] <popey> dunno if I can capture much, maybe force it to dump out memory or use gdb to attach
[16:18] <popey> pass
[16:19] <penguin42> yeh that's probably a little low level for that
[16:20] <penguin42> popey: I'd look for any correlation with the size/shape of the text you're replying to
[20:12] <bigcalm> Cooiee
[20:14] <popey> boo
[20:14] <bigcalm> eek
[20:14] <mungbean> foo
[20:15] <David-A> uk = united kingdom, no?
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> That, or Ukraine ;)
[20:15] <mungbean> da
[20:16] <mungbean> can't remember the last time i watched a film in one sitting
[20:16] <mungbean> just finished hurt locker over 3 nights
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: little kids?
[20:17] <mungbean> yeah
[20:18] <mungbean> went on imdb to check reviews and everyone had given it either 1 or 10
[20:22] <shauno> do people actually say cooiee?  all these years I thought my nanna was just a little nuts.  awesome!
[20:22] <David-A> mungbean: I liked Hurt locker. Have you seen the documentary "journalists in war"? (or what's it called in english)
[20:24] <mungbean> havent seen that David-A
[20:37] <David-A> mungbean: it was about journalists that had got syndroms or lost friends when reporting from wars. I found it strong and I made associations to Hurt locker
[20:39] <mungbean> really want to get this kit now http://www.airfix.com/shop/military-vehicles/148-scale-military-vehicles/a06301-british-forces-wmik-land-rover-snatch-land-rover-148/
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/111
[21:15] <AlanBell> Daviey: any luck with the phone?
[22:08] <Daviey> AlanBell: yeah, it was on te RAT train.  Picked it up today.
[22:08] <Daviey> \o/


[10:17] <knaccc_> hey all. I was wondering if anyone could tell me roughly when linux-headers-5.4.0-123 will move from proposed to released please? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/5.4.0-123.139 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+package/linux-headers-5.4.0-123)
[10:19] <knaccc> there is a networking bug in -122 that is causing kernel panics which looks like it is fixed in -123 ("tcp: make sure treq->af_specific is initialized")


[00:00] <wxl> tsimonq2: new screenshot would be good here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu
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[00:01] <tsimonq2> ok wxl
[00:01] <wxl> weird
[00:01] <wxl> whatever
[00:01] <wxl> i don't care about that list very much
[00:01] <wxl> that's a mario-ism
[00:03] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:03] <lynorian> This brings up another question do we need an LTS to LTS update page
[00:06]  * tsimonq2 gives wxl high-fives
[00:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL LUBUNTU RELEASE! WOOOOOOOO
[00:06] <wxl> ugh
[00:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: ugh?
[00:07] <wxl> i put the include in the aforementioned link
[00:07] <wxl> but it's annoying
[00:08] <wxl> i'm just going to get rid of that
[00:08] <wxl> it's redundant anyways
[00:08] <wxl> but might be good for links
[00:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: No celebrate? 🎉🎉🎉
[00:09] <wxl> not yet
[00:09] <wxl> more work to do
[00:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: awwwwwwwwww
[00:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: you know what I'd like to see?
[00:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: gilir's MOTU meeting
[00:15] <lynorian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS ok got some links done for x86 for 16.04 but need to find a way to get them labeled and I need to do powerpc
[00:18] <wxl> omg this minimalinstall page sucks
[00:21] <lynorian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS Is this good for seperating 16.04 and 14.04 ?
[00:28] <wxl> this page SUCKS
[00:28] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[00:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: Phillism
[00:29] <wxl> it's a good page
[00:29] <wxl> but it's hard to find all the info
[00:29] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:29] <wxl> that's why there are direct links
[00:29] <wxl> and direct info
[00:30] <wxl> lynorian: looks good. i think you need 16.04 ppc
[00:30] <lynorian> yes I do
[00:31] <wxl> redwolf: you have work to do here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO
[00:33] <wxl> lynorian: i had an idea of using <<Include(Lubuntu/CurrentDesktop32Download)>> and having THAT page include the graphic and all that stuff since they are used on more than one page
[00:33] <wxl> lynorian: but i gotta go. so i'll save that for another day i guess
[00:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: bai bai sweet dreams <3
[00:51] <tsimonq2> lynorian: want your name on here? http://lubuntu.me/the-lubuntu-team/
[00:51] <tsimonq2> lynorian: I can put your name on there. ;)
[00:52] <lynorian> tsimonq2, yes
[00:52] <tsimonq2> lynorian: what details do you want on there? (can you give me links?)
[00:52] <tsimonq2> I also need your preferred hackergitchi ;)
[00:52] <tsimonq2> *hackergotchi
[00:53] <lynorian> hmm I am not sure I have one
[00:53] <tsimonq2> lynorian: find the best image that represents you :)
[00:54] <tsimonq2> lynorian: please make it greater than or equal to 192x192
[00:58] <tsimonq2> lynorian: well, for now I can just find a placeholder. What details do you want on there?
[01:01] <lynorian> tsimonq2, can you ask me another time ?
[01:01] <tsimonq2> lynorian: sure, get back to me when you have a minute :)
[01:03] <tsimonq2> redwolf: you broke download links
[01:03] <tsimonq2> redwolf: we don't release PowerPC for 16.10, remember?
[01:04] <tsimonq2> redwolf: I don't have the time to fix it atm. Fix it ASAP.
[03:01] <tsimonq2> wxl, redwolf, lynorian: please read the email I just sent out to you guys when you have a minute.
[16:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Packageset: Added directfb to lubuntu in yakkety
[16:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Packageset: Added libgsf to lubuntu in yakkety
[16:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Packageset: Added nemo to lubuntu in yakkety
[16:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Packageset: Added libdca to lubuntu in yakkety
[16:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Packageset: Added makedev to lubuntu in yakkety
[17:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: i thought we were going to do this at UOS?
[19:10] <lynorian> grr I feel like an idiot I should have reported an upgrade bug before rebooting but I fixed more of the getlubuntu/LTS wiki page
[19:11] <lynorian> It seems installing gnome-software with lubuntu-software-center is the problem
[19:11] <lynorian> might need to upgrade another one of my 16.04 installs
[19:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: I thought we discussed that we can have this meeting
[19:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: now i remember. k
[19:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: so respond to Doodle please? ;)
[19:47] <wxl> eventually yes
[19:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: the sooner the better man
[19:48] <wxl> oh jeez


[10:17] <xubuntu80i> How
[10:20] <xu-irc30w> Hello, I have just installed xubuntu however I have noticed that it consumes a great deal of system memory, how do I reduce the system memory consumption ?
[10:26] <xu-irc30w> The consumption at idle when I log in and run top is 800mb, which is almost half of my system memory !
[10:26] <xu-irc30w> I would expect one order of magnitude less consumption
[10:29] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc30w, nope, that's the minimum amount all modern systems use, if on top of that you open a browser then your PC is frozen because it will eat up all your RAM.
[10:29] <xu-irc30w> Oh okay, so I need to install an older system
[10:30] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc30w, i suggest you go with something like openbox.
[10:30] <xu-irc30w> I have one tab open in firefox with this irc chat, and I have 300mb free
[10:30] <diogenes_Vx15> or try antiX.
[10:31] <diogenes_Vx15> right now i have only browser, text editor and a music player opened and i got 9 GB of RAM used a;ready.
[10:32] <xu-irc30w> Sounds like there is something wrong with your computer
[10:32] <diogenes_Vx15> hehe not at all, welcome to modern world when developers don't focus on opimizations anymore.
[10:33] <xu-irc30w> I upgraded to 2gb  of memory in 2016 but I will not be upgrading it again
[10:33] <diogenes_Vx15> then you are doomed/
[10:34] <xu-irc30w> I guess I can go back to windows XP I heard that linux was better performance but it is worse haha
[10:35] <diogenes_Vx15> win xp you can use only without internet connection.
[10:35] <diogenes_Vx15> otherwise you are screwed.
[10:35] <xu-irc30w> seemed to work fine yesterday
[10:36] <diogenes_Vx15> to work fine and to be secure are two different things.


[02:13] <studio-user386> hello someone can helpme with audio issues?
[20:34] <tempest> Hi :) I hope everyone is doing well
[20:35] <Eickmeyer> tempest: Thanks. Do you have a support question?
[20:36] <tempest> I have a question about the Ubuntu studio audio handbook if that's okay
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> tempest: Sure, I'm the editor of that. Go ahead.
[20:37] <tempest> Wow! Really? That's incredible
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Well, editor/publisher. Really, it's a libreoffice document that was adapted to wiki.
[20:38] <tempest> I only started reading it today I don't know much about audio stuff yet but I'm really keen to learn, I've only been playing guitar for about 6 months but I think it would be nice to learn some software at the same time
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Cool. Well, guitarix is a good application for effects for guitars.
[20:39] <tempest> I don't have any equipment like a external sound card or a way to plug a jack into my machine, what I have is a jack to USB cable I'm not really sure if it will be suitable, it seems to work with audacity though which is nice
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> Anything that allows an audio input to your computer should work just fine.
[20:40] <tempest> okay well that's good news :)
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> Though, you can get a cheap professional audio interface on Amazon.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> I use a Behringer UMC404HD.
[20:41] <tempest> but quite early in the book you are explaining how to link applications with the JACKctl program
[20:41] <tempest> and you say to use the program Hexter
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> Well, that was Peter's opinion. That section needs a little updating since we now have Ubuntu Studio Controls doing the configuring.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> (i.e. you no longer need to use QJackCtl to start Jack).
[20:43] <tempest> Oh okay, I did wonder, it does seem that the screen shots are using an older interface too
[20:44] <tempest> But I found that you can get the source code for Hexter still on the creators website. I've never actually compiled a program before but I expect I could learn to do it, but what I wanted to ask is is the reason it's not really offered anymore by default a little bit of a hint not to use it these days?
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> Hexter is installed by default.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> There's no reason to compile it.
[20:45] <tempest> Is it supposed to be? I'm not sure why I didn't get it then
[20:45] <tempest> Either that or I'm being stupid and can't find it
[20:45] <OvenWerks> It may not be in the menu...
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> There was an error. ^
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> You might have to install the backports PPA.
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/backports"
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[20:46] <OvenWerks> however any host that supports dssi (Carla, qtracktor, but not Ardour)
[20:46] <OvenWerks> will show it as a plugin.
[20:49] <tempest> okay I'll try that, thanks
[20:50] <tempest> I don
[20:50] <tempest> oops
[20:50] <OvenWerks> from the commandline: jack-dssi-host hexter.so
[20:51] <OvenWerks> tempest: ^^ that will put up the GUI for hexter as a Jack client.
[20:51] <tempest> if my host has dssi enabled?
[20:51] <OvenWerks> jack-dssi-host is the host in this case
[20:52] <OvenWerks> So hexter would show up as a standalone synth within the jqack graph as shown by patchage
[20:53] <tempest> I get Error: failed to load plugin library "hexter", but the backports upgrade hasn't finished yet so I'll try it again in a few minutes
[20:54] <tempest> oh Hexter has turned up in my menu now! Yay! :)
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Jack does have to be running first.
[21:03] <tempest> Thank you both very much for the help. I've had quite a long day today so I think I'm going to call it quits for tonight but I'll have another go with the book again now that I can run what it was asking me to
[21:06] <tempest> other than the Audio handbook are there any other ubuntustudio manuals out there that I should look into? I was considering reading the ubuntu 18.10 manual as well but I'm not entirely sure how different we are from vanilla ubuntu and if we need completely seperate books
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> tempest: Ubuntu Studio is Ubuntu, not a derivitive.
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> All official flavors fall into that description.
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> The only difference is what is installed by default.
[21:11] <tempest> ahh okay so does that mean we'll be getting the new version at the same time as vanilla as well then? Not too long to wait now is there?
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> Yes. Beta is to be released later today.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> In order to be an official flavor, our release cadence has to match with few exception.
[21:13] <tempest> Well best of luck with a smooth launch :)
[21:15] <tempest> take care and thanks again x


[07:01] <Lord_Athur> hi
[07:01] <zakame> heya Lord_Athur , happy new year :)
[07:02] <Lord_Athur> thanks zakame happy new year  for you too
[07:32] <tclong> reinstalling edubuntu. Everything fine until first boot off the harddisk. And when it configures the packages it gets stuck on gome-cups-manager and then bails. Gnome desktop opens but synaptic package mananger won't open unless I run 'dpkg --configure -a' but that gives me errors about gcompris-data not being installed. 'sudo dpkg -i /.../gcompris-data_....deb' give me a "short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./u
[07:32] <tclong> sr/share/gcompris/python/connect4p/minmax.py')" error. Any thoughts?


[11:43] <ddaa> Meeting in 17 mins
[12:00] <ddaa> lifeless: spiv: SteveA: jamesh: MEETING STARTS
[12:00] <ddaa> == Agenda ==
[12:00] <ddaa> Next meeting 2006-09-25, 10:00-10:45 UTC.
[12:00] <ddaa>  * roll call
[12:00] <ddaa>  * production status
[12:00] <ddaa>  * importd batch progress
[12:00] <ddaa>  * release finder
[12:00] <ddaa>  * Python import
[12:00] <ddaa>  * strategic plan
[12:00] <ddaa>  * bzr-lp features
[12:00] <ddaa>  * interesting bzr list threads
[12:00] <ddaa>  * advertising
[12:00] <ddaa>  * 1.0 targets
[12:00] <ddaa>  * critical bugs
[12:00] <ddaa>  * any other business
[12:00] <ddaa> If you wish to change the time of the meeting or add/remove agenda items, say "bzzzt!".
[12:00] <ddaa> If we are short on time, the "any other business" item will be automatically, dropped. So if you ''want'' to discuss something more, speak up now.
[12:00] <ddaa> == Roll call ==
[12:00] <ddaa> mpool is on leave until September 19th.
[12:01] <spiv> I'm here.
[12:01] <ddaa> Good morning spiv.
[12:01] <ddaa> Or maybe you wish to be called Ribri?
[12:01] <spiv> lifeless said on #bzr he might be a bit late to this meeting.
[12:02] <ddaa> righty, was chatting with him
[12:02] <jamesh> I'm here
[12:02] <ddaa> Good morning jamesh.
[12:02] <ddaa> SteveA: ahoy Great Launchpad Overlord!
[12:03] <spiv> I misread that as "Overboard", probably because of the "ahoy"...
[12:04] <ddaa> Waters here are nothing you want to be bathing in. They are fully of ravenous zope sharks.
[12:05] <ddaa> When they're done with you your split in at least four different bits: content, interface, browser and template.
[12:05] <SteveA> is it speak like a pirate day already?
[12:05] <jamesh> tomorrow
[12:05] <ddaa> really?
[12:05] <jamesh> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
[12:06] <ddaa> Anyway... so lifeless late, everybody else on board.
[12:06] <ddaa> == Prodution status ==
[12:06] <ddaa> j-a-meinel has reported sftp mirroring latency problem again, on Friday. I got supermirror privs on vostok, but killing hung branch-puller scripts did not help. Increasing verbosity did not help, since that script appears to have no logging whatsoever.
[12:06] <ddaa> We need to fix that latency problem ASAP, it is harming public confidence in Launchpad hosting.
[12:06] <spiv> (And in six months time, at the opposite end of the year, I recommend everyone observes Pork Like a Tyrant Day...)
[12:07] <ddaa> I'm not quite sure where to start. But I think putting some logging to help debugging what's going on would help.
[12:07] <jamesh> the current puller is single thread
[12:08] <ddaa> I sure hope it's going to stay that way.
[12:08] <spiv> At the moment, a single slow/hung branch pull will block the rest of the queue.
[12:08] <jamesh> would we benefit from going multi-threaded?
[12:08] <ddaa> If we go parallel, I'd like to go multi-process instead of multi-thread.
[12:08] <ddaa> For one thing, that makes it much easier to kill hung tasks.
[12:08] <ddaa> it's also less of a debugging nightmare.
[12:09] <spiv> There's been some discussion on the launchpad list involving myself, lifeless and ddaa about how to improve things so that a) we can do things in parallel, b) so that hosted branch pulling is somewhat isolated from other branch pulling.
[12:09] <ddaa> But I think that if we want to do a quick functional change it should be just running three branch puller, one for external branches, one for imports, one for hosted branches.
[12:10] <spiv> It shouldn't be hard to log each URL before we try mirroring it.
[12:10] <jamesh> for the hosted branches and imports, we should be able to tell which ones need mirroring too
[12:10] <jamesh> if we can pass that info to the puller, then it can pull those classes more frequently
[12:11] <spiv> jamesh: we already pull all hosted branches every run.
[12:11] <ddaa> spiv: I talked a bit about my plan to SteveA, and how that related to importd-ng. It seems you and lifeless were thinking of something else. I'd like if you could help to clarify the disconnect.
[12:11] <spiv> (because there's only ~250 of them and they're local so it's acceptably fast for now)
[12:11] <jamesh> spiv: sure, but it won't be fast forever
[12:12] <spiv> ddaa: lifeless is the best person to articulate the exact idea posted to the list a while back... I'd recommend scheduling some time to talk it over with him.
[12:12] <jamesh> it'd probably also be worth looking at making the pull interval for a branch dynamic
[12:12] <jamesh> and suspend pulls of branches that time out
[12:13] <ddaa> Well, for starters. I'd lke to have each branch log at INFO level, for each branch: launchpad page url, source url, destination url. And when it fails, log the error that's put in Launchpad at WARNING level.
[12:13] <spiv> jamesh: Of course.  Just saying the "pull those classes more frequently" for hosted branches is a solved problem, for some values of "solved" :)
[12:13] <ddaa> jamesh: can you do that?
[12:14] <spiv> ddaa: I wonder if DEBUG level would be more appropriate, but otherwise I agree with the extra logging plan.
[12:14] <ddaa> maybe DEBUG and INFO then
[12:14] <jamesh> ddaa: okay.
[12:14] <ddaa> I would rather user DEBUG for INSANELY VERBOSE sort of things
[12:15] <spiv> ddaa: logging each branch will be insanely verbose eventually :)
[12:15] <jamesh> we can always run the script with "-q" to silence the INFO messages once everythings running acceptably
[12:15] <ddaa> and -qq to silence warning, I think
[12:15] <lifeless> hi
[12:15] <ddaa> hi lifeless
[12:16] <ddaa> ACTION: jamesh to put logging into the branch puller
[12:16] <ddaa> I would like to start working on the new architecture for branch puller and importd-ng soon. Like this week or next.
[12:17] <ddaa> Let's move on I think.
[12:17] <ddaa> == Importd batch progress ==
[12:17] <ddaa> Next meeting action:
[12:17] <ddaa>  * ddaa to discuss BatchProgress testing with lifeless
[12:17] <ddaa> Just a reminder. Lifeless asked to postpone that last week because of bzr release.
[12:17] <lifeless> grab me at 2130 AEST
[12:17] <ddaa> lifeless: anything you'd like to say about that right now?
[12:17] <ddaa> lifeless: talk UTC to me please
[12:18] <lifeless> 2130 UTC+1000
[12:18] <ddaa> lifeless: okay
[12:18] <ddaa> == Product release finder ==
[12:18] <ddaa>  * jamesh: report on PRF progress. In particular the outcome of reviewing the product:series:version:tarball table.
[12:18] <ddaa> jamesh: the stage is yours
[12:19] <jamesh> the product release finder can now run to completion, and I posted some results to the list
[12:20] <ddaa> was there noise-looking tarball names in that?
[12:20] <jamesh> there were only a few issues with the output: the code for extracting version numbers from filenames tripped up on "foo-1.0.orig.tar.gz" filenames, and the pattern for redland was too loose
[12:20] <jamesh> so picked up a redland-bindings tarball
[12:21] <jamesh> it might do to use more complex match patterns (modelled after uscan, maybe) to fix these issues
[12:21] <ddaa> What about allowing users to blacklist bad release names post hoc?
[12:21] <jamesh> I also did a productreleasefile/sourcepackagereleasefile cross reference to match productreleases with sourcepackagereleases based on tarball identity, which gave promising results
[12:22] <ddaa> jamesh: I did not see an email about that, that sounds interesting.
[12:22] <jamesh> ddaa: i don't think any of the problem names got through the filename version extraction, but it is something to keep in mind when modifying the code
[12:23] <ddaa> ACTION: ddaa to follow-up on ML about blacklisting bad release names to allow user to fixup bad glob matches.
[12:23] <jamesh> Some of the next steps would be to simplify the UI for entering the release file details to a single field rather than URL+glob
[12:24] <jamesh> and maybe move it to a different form than $series/+source
[12:24] <lifeless> triage:
[12:24] <ddaa> ACTION: jamesh to report on productrelease/sourcepackagerelease cross-checking
[12:24] <lifeless> allow setting the release details
[12:24] <lifeless> ddaa: hes already done that
[12:24] <lifeless> first: allow setting the release details:
[12:24] <lifeless> second: .orig filtering
[12:24] <jamesh> since +source can't be submitted without specifying VCS details
[12:24] <ddaa> lifeless: thanks, did not notice, maybe it's in the week-end email backlog
[12:24] <lifeless> third: deploy
[12:24] <ddaa> jamesh++
[12:25] <ddaa> Well, that or fix +source
[12:25] <jamesh> (we should probably make +source submittable with no VCS details anyway ...
[12:25] <ddaa> since it's broken in a few other ways
[12:26] <ddaa> I'd like to start working on +source soon too. It's incredibly confusing to users now. I'll put a few hours in that this week.
[12:26] <ddaa> ACTION: ddaa to start fixing +source
[12:26] <jamesh> ddaa: what do you think of making +source only about VCS details?
[12:26] <jamesh> the source package bit is already available on another form
[12:27] <ddaa> jamesh: there are good and bad things to it. The bad thing is that it would multiply the number of page loads for users setting up new products to fill in all the details.
[12:27] <ddaa> so I'm not quite sure yet
[12:27] <lifeless> focus gentlemen, the meeting is 50% done, and this is design that can be done on list or a bug
[12:27] <ddaa> yeah, let's move on
[12:28] <lifeless> do you agree with the priorities I suggested ? if so move on
[12:28] <jamesh> lifeless: sounds good.
[12:28] <ddaa> == Python import ==
[12:28] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/56360
[12:28] <ddaa>  * ddaa: report on bzr testament encoding bug, and maybe progress of Python import.
[12:29] <ddaa> So, using bzr-0.9, plus a couple of fixes to importd and cscvs seems to fix the testament encoding problem.
[12:29] <ddaa> But the python import is still failing because after a few thousand revisions the svn server eventually reset the connection.
[12:29] <ddaa> and pysvn does not give us good exceptions to detect that sort of error.
[12:29] <ddaa> So I'll just keep restarting the import until it works.
[12:30] <ddaa> SteveA: talk about that later if you wish.
[12:30] <ddaa> == strategic plan ==
[12:30] <ddaa> Last meeting action:
[12:30] <ddaa>  * SteveA: jamesh: review 32/Bazaar
[12:30] <SteveA> hi
[12:31] <jamesh> I forgot about this.  I'll send some stuff to mbp tomorrow
[12:31] <SteveA> i haven't been paying attention -- didn't realize it was a meeting
[12:31] <SteveA> thought it was just high seas piracy
[12:33] <ddaa> Bah, let's move on.
[12:33] <ddaa> == bzr-lp features ==
[12:33] <ddaa>  * mpool: report on progress for bzr-lp features
[12:33] <ddaa> mpool is still on leave, so unless somebody else has something relevant to say, we'll move forward.
[12:33] <lifeless> move on
[12:33] <ddaa> == Interesting bzr list threads ==
[12:33] <ddaa> Follow up to last meeting. Do you guys have keywords for outstanding bzr threads from last week?
[12:34] <ddaa> Did not have time to read any of the ML last week, so that would help.
[12:34] <lifeless> nope, nothing interesting happened
[12:34] <lifeless> actually, thats a lie
[12:35] <lifeless> A bunch of interesting things happened, and they are now in my long term memory. Something will trigger an associative lookup but I'm *terrible* at date-based recall - its why history was really annoying for me
[12:36] <ddaa> spiv: jamesh: anything in particular your remember?
[12:36] <spiv> ddaa: Btw, there's a daily snapshot of the Python SVN repo at http://svn.python.org/snapshots/projects-svn-tarball.tar.bz2 -- perhaps doing the initial import from a local copy of that would be better.
[12:36] <jamesh> ddaa: not really.
[12:36] <SteveA> lifeless: I found history interesting after I left school.  Schools teach history wrong, in general.
[12:37] <SteveA> svn servers will reset connections.  it happens.
[12:37] <ddaa> spiv: good suggestion.
[12:37] <ddaa> ACTION: ddaa to look at tarball-based import of python
[12:37] <spiv> ddaa: j-a-meinel did a huge bunch of reviews of the smart server branches, I don't remember much else :)
[12:37] <lifeless> SteveA: oh I found it very interesting. And I'll occasionally make comments about william of orange at the right point in a conversation
[12:37] <SteveA> so, we should be able to deal with this. (eventually.)  do we have some kind of plan for that?
[12:37] <lifeless> SteveA: but asking me what year WWI started, and I'm screwed.
[12:38] <ddaa> SteveA: move away from pysvn and use python-subversion, presumably that would give more helpful exceptions.
[12:38] <SteveA> lifeless: the year isn't important.  its place in the flow of events is, though.  and that's what school teaching of history often gets wrong.
[12:38] <SteveA> ddaa: is there a better pysvn upstream we can use?
[12:39] <lifeless> SteveA: well, the flow I'm fine on ;)
[12:39] <jamesh> so they should teach students the partial ordering of events rather than the cardinality?
[12:39] <lifeless> jamesh: rotfl
[12:39] <SteveA> jamesh: exactly.  history as a digraph
[12:39] <ddaa> SteveA: no idea, but it's custom bindings for a GUI app, so it does not have the same requirements as cscvs.
[12:39] <SteveA> anyway, when you learn relativity too, you find it really is a digraph
[12:39] <SteveA> or many digraphs
[12:40] <ddaa> It looks like the bzr-lp threads thing is not a success. I suggest to drop it.
[12:40] <ddaa> == Advertising ==
[12:40] <ddaa> Last meeting actions:
[12:40] <ddaa>  * spiv: blog about similarities between SVN and bzr checkouts, in relation to Launchpad.
[12:40] <SteveA> threads?
[12:40] <SteveA> oh, right, asking people to note interesting happenings
[12:40] <ddaa> SteveA: your suggestion to asks the folks here for stuff they found interesting in the bzr mailingh list
[12:40] <SteveA> I would say that this week, perhaps nothing too interesting happened
[12:40] <SteveA> keep trying it
[12:40] <ddaa> SteveA: ok
[12:40] <ddaa> spiv: news?
[12:41] <spiv> ddaa: I have a draft.  I'll post it to the list shortly.
[12:41] <ddaa> Way cool.
[12:41] <ddaa> == 1.0 targets ==
[12:41] <ddaa> supermirror-smart-server: spiv: still looking on track for october 8th?
[12:41] <ddaa> importd-bzr-native: removal of Arch support code almost complete. Missing one importd patch, and the database patch. After the launchpad patch lands, I believe we will be able to delete pybaz, gnarly and bzrtools from the dists tree.
[12:41] <ddaa> bzr-roundtrip-svn: not for 1.0
[12:41] <ddaa> Pending action:
[12:41] <ddaa>  * mpool: read up/tick off svn roundtripping discussion
[12:42] <ddaa> spiv: how the supermirror-smart-server looking?
[12:42] <spiv> Very good.
[12:42] <spiv> Most of the work to date is in the 0.11 release candidate branch.
[12:43] <spiv> I have a branch where "bzr+ssh://" urls work.
[12:43] <jamesh> spiv: how easy will it be to integrate with twisted/conch?
[12:43] <spiv> (which we'll ask to merge into 0.11)
[12:43] <lifeless> nit: bzr 0.11 is frozen; rc1 is next monday
[12:44] <spiv> jamesh: Worst case, just let it spawn a bzr process.  But I think in-proc will be fairly straightforward.
[12:44] <ddaa> Anyway, I do not think the release mgmt would be a blocker to the lp feature.
[12:44] <spiv> jamesh: the serialisation logic is farily cleanly seperated.
[12:44] <lifeless> ddaa: it is if the protocols are not compatible
[12:45] <ddaa> lifeless: mh, I thought it was an entirely new transport.
[12:45] <spiv> Next steps: smart server-over-http, and supermirror integration.
[12:45] <ddaa> So, the supermirror-smart-server is on track according to spiv.
[12:46] <ddaa> == Critical bugs ==
[12:46] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/bugs/31308 Cannot set branch associated to a product series. Fix commited.
[12:46] <ddaa> No new critical bugs. Will remove this section on the next meeting unless somebody really enjoys me saying "no critical bug" every week.
[12:46] <spiv> Yes.  lifeless has been a big help this last week.
[12:46] <SteveA> well
[12:46] <jamesh> I've also got a branch to add Product.development_focus in the PQM queue
[12:46] <SteveA> lower the importance
[12:46] <SteveA> so we get the top most important bugs
[12:46] <SteveA> it is great that we have few critical bugs
[12:47] <SteveA> do we have any highly important bugs?
[12:47] <lifeless> I have to go prepare the next meeting
[12:47] <jamesh> which will allow us to do the "lp:/python" style URIs (picking the default series)
[12:47] <ddaa> SteveA: many many
[12:47] <SteveA> so, oldest critical + oldest high
[12:47] <SteveA> max 7
[12:47] <ddaa> SteveA: that's why I asked for your feedback on bug triaging last week
[12:47] <SteveA> that's what we do in the launchpa dmeeting, anyway
[12:48] <ddaa> So. I think that meeting is done.
[12:48] <SteveA> ok, thanks david
[12:49] <lifeless> ddaa: did you deal with A
[12:49] <lifeless> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-September/000608.html
[01:21] <ddaa> lifeless: done on tuesday last week
[01:21] <lifeless> sweet, I can forget about it then
[01:23] <ddaa> look for emails with Yate in the Subject in launchpad-users
[01:28] <ddaa> lifeless: so, talk about BatchReport?
[01:28] <ddaa> hu, BatchProgress I mean
[01:28] <lifeless> -> #launchpad


[00:00] <toorima> are there any big feature differences between 8.04 and 8.10?
[00:13] <hads> Seeker`: Code up an option and submit it as a patch
[00:16] <Seeker`> hads: could do
[00:16] <Seeker`> hads: never looked at the myth internals before
[00:19] <tgm4883_laptop> Whos ready for some awesomeness?
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> !diggit
[00:23] <Zinn> Have you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_10_Intrepid_Ibex_Is_Here
[00:31] <r3z> tgm4883_laptop, check priv msg.
[01:28] <a1fa> yo
[01:28] <a1fa> after this new update i am having a lot of buffering between myth backend and xbox fronted
[01:30] <a1fa> damn
[01:30] <a1fa> mirrors are hosed up
[01:33] <tgm4883_laptop> a1fa, how so?
[02:25] <a1fa> after this new update i am having a lot of buffering between myth backend and xbox fronted
[02:25] <a1fa> what gives?
[02:29] <foxbuntu> a1fa, I dont know anything about the xbox frontend, however word of advice, dont ask the same question over and over in an irc channel its not polite, also asking a question like "what gives" will lower your chances of getting a valuable response.
[03:39] <pocketcookies> I installed mythbuntu-desktop on Ubuntu 8.10.  Is this the correct place to ask for help with it?
[03:46] <frank23> pocketcookies: yes it is
[03:51] <pocketcookies> Thanks.  I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 8.10 and added Mythbuntu onto it (from the instructions at http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu).  After going through mythtv-setup, when I try to use mythtvfrontend to watch tv, it either freezes (requiring a ctrl+alt+backspace to get everything working again) or causes the screen to briefly flash black (as if it's trying to play TV) before showing the main screen again.
[03:52] <rhpot1991> !logs | pocketcookies
[03:52] <Zinn> pocketcookies: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/
[03:52] <rhpot1991> check them, see if there is anything good in there
[03:52] <rhpot1991> your storage dir isn't in your home dir is it?
[03:53] <pocketcookies> It seems to be /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[03:53] <rhpot1991> thats the default
[03:54] <pocketcookies> The end of the log seems to list two errors, "unknown video codec..." and "unknown audio codec..."
[03:58] <pocketcookies> I think I may have figured it out.  I had accidentally set up my card as a V4L card when it should have been an mjpeg card.
[04:00] <pocketcookies> rhpot1991: There was one other thing that was slightly troubling me.  I have two tuner cards installed in my computer (a pvr150 and hvr1800).  The first time I started Ubuntu, the pvr150 was registered as /dev/video0.  Now, it's registered as /dev/video2.
[04:01] <pocketcookies> I'm not sure if this was a one-time thing but is there a way to force Ubuntu to assign the cards to a single device file consistently?
[04:24] <r3z> pocketcookies, I remember hearing something about hard setting a value to make them always show up correctly but I will see if I can find it ;)
[04:25] <ajhtiredwolf> SOmething weird has happened to me, the mythbuntu control centre seems to have dissapeared... all of the things that i enabled with it like the plugins and the extra themes are still there, but it is gone, its not listed under administrator or in the front end
[04:25] <pocketcookies> r3z: Thank you very much.
[04:35] <thedarkone2> whatz diff in 8.10?
[04:38] <toorima> pocketcookies: I blacklist the modules for my tunercards then load them in /etc/modules that stoped it from happening for me
[04:39] <pocketcookies> toorima: Thanks.  I guess I'll try that.
[04:41] <pocketcookies> I can't find a /etc/modules.  Where should I tell it to load them?
[04:43] <toorima> blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and load in /etc/modules
[04:44] <pocketcookies> Ok.
[04:44] <pocketcookies> I really appreciate this.
[04:44] <toorima> the module for the pvr150 is ivtv, dunno what the module is for your other card
[04:44] <toorima> np
[04:44] <pocketcookies> I think it's something like cx2341x or something.
[04:45] <toorima> u can probably find it in dmesg, should say what module it uses
[04:46] <toorima> dmesg | grep cx
[04:46] <toorima> that should give you something
[04:49] <pocketcookies> Looks like it's cx23885.
[04:51] <toorima> seems right
[04:52] <pocketcookies> I suppose I'll try it.  Thanks again.
[05:03] <Decepticon> are you guys seeding mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-proper-i386.iso
[05:03] <Decepticon> its being very slow
[07:13] <Decepticon> why does mythbuntu not support nvidia geforce fx 5200
[07:13] <Decepticon> do i have to use the alt insstall cd?
[07:31] <Decepticon> can someone please tell me what is 'additional roles' 'frontend' 'master backend' and 'slave backend' for when installing via the alt cd for 8.10, (the regular livecd doesnt work, X gives a black screen for my nvidia geforce fx 5200)
[07:35] <Decepticon> so the livecd is actually useless for me because i cant get the gui to come up and i have to install via alt cd and im going to have to answer every config question manually instead of it being autodetected as in the livecd
[07:39] <toorima> well the role is what setup you have, is it a combined backend/frontend or what are you seting up
[07:40] <toorima> or do you have one machine doing all the recording and an other machine by the tv to play stuff with
[07:44] <Decepticon> one machine
[07:44] <Decepticon> i just installed everything
[07:44] <Decepticon> in ubuntu 8.10, same thing happened
[07:44] <Decepticon> i got a black screen instead of a gui
[07:45] <Decepticon> i had to installe the nvidida drivers with envyng-core
[07:45] <toorima> you probably need the legacy driver, think support has been droped for fx 5200 in the regular driver
[07:46] <Decepticon> my question is, because of my graphics card mess up, does this mean im left manually configuring everything for mythtv
[07:46] <toorima> with a one machine setup u dont have to care about additional roles
[07:47] <Decepticon> instead of as it would have been installed normally with a workinggraphics card through the livecd
[07:48] <toorima> the actuall mythtv config starts when you have a desktop, so that part will be the same, its the actuall os install that will be non gui with alt cd
[08:21] <orkid> part
[08:27] <Decepticon> i ran mythtv-setup and im being asked about database configuration, i havent changed a single field and im getting a error when i finish databse configuraiton on step 2, a box comes up saying 'cannot login to database?' with a ok button and it reutrns you yo database config
[08:27] <Decepticon> pelase help
[08:27] <Decepticon> ive never been able to get past this step with installing mythtv on ubuntu or even using the alt install cd mythtv-setup program
[08:30] <Decepticon> can someone tell me how to make this error not happen? im assuming it means mysql is not started. so how do i start mysql so that i can run through the setup for once without a ereror
[09:24] <sebrock> I dist-upgrade from 8.04.1 will work fine?
[10:28] <leo74> hi all
[10:29] <leo74> may I use this TV tuner for Mythbuntu
[10:29] <leo74> http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=463
[10:29] <leo74> ?
[10:29] <leo74>  	  AVerTV Satellite Trinity
[10:30] <leo74> A707
[11:08] <Decepticon> i have a pvr150, im in mythtv-setup, and im doing the channel scan but im getting nothing in the results... timeout scanning us-cable 2 -- no signal
[11:10] <leo74>  	  AVerTV Satellite Trinity
[11:12] <directhex> linuxtv.org wiki. look there for device compatibility
[13:23] <r3z`> speed:      0    B/s down -   2.4  M/s up
[13:23] <r3z`> tgm4883_laptop,  Seeding speed ;)
[14:57] <jphillip> !mysql | Decepticon
[14:57] <Zinn> Decepticon: If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[15:39] <jphillip> !help
[15:40] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[16:34] <MassiveBlue> hi everyone
[16:34] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[16:35] <superm1> !hi | MassiveBlue
[16:35] <Zinn> MassiveBlue: Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[16:38] <MassiveBlue> yes you can :-D i installed mythbuntu some minutes ago. i have a TT S-2300 (or Hauppauge Nexus S) in this box, can I use the TVout of this card? it's much better than the tvout the nvidia-card is providing
[16:38] <jphillip> I like how no one questions the $nick
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> jphillip, it's cause it's too awesome
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> that would be like questioning chuck norris
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> you would just get a round house kick to the face
[16:40] <superm1> MassiveBlue, generally the tv out on those types of cards is nice for mpeg2 content at specific resolutions, so before starting, do you have anything else you like to watch?
[16:40] <superm1> like DVD's, HD content, mpeg4 files, etc?
[16:40] <jphillip> games don't work well either
[16:44] <MassiveBlue> superm1: yes, i want to watch MPEG4-movies too. i was running easyvdr (linvdr) before and used the tvout of the TT-card for this, if this helps
[16:45] <MassiveBlue> superm1: but watching TV via DVB-S is most importing for me
[16:46] <thedarkone2> is mythstream fixed in 8.10?
[16:48] <superm1> MassiveBlue, if you are wanting to watch mepg-4 I would say just use nvidia tv out.  You will overall have a better experience
[16:48] <superm1> it's quite frustrating otherwise with the tv out on these mpeg2 acceleration cards
[16:48] <superm1> thedarkone2, should be fine....
[16:49] <thedarkone2> in 8.04 it stoped working
[16:51] <MassiveBlue> superm1: ok, i could live without watching mpeg4. the box will be used for watching DVB-S mainly
[16:52] <superm1> MassiveBlue, then if you really want to go down this path, you'll have to try to use xserver-xorg-video-ivtv to do it (provided your card is supported by this type of functionality).  Since it's a DVB-S card, i'm almost thinking it might not be.
[16:52] <thedarkone2> massiveblue i have mine setup for mpeg2 dvb-s on dishnet
[16:53] <superm1> but talk to people who know for sure, seems thedarkone2 would be better than I here :)
[16:54] <MassiveBlue> superm1: ok, thank you for your quick answer
[16:57] <MassiveBlue> thedarkone2: i'm living in europe and using astra. do you use such a setup? do i have to install the xserver-xorg-video-ivtv package?
[16:57] <thedarkone2> well i am usa
[16:58] <MassiveBlue> ok, i will try
[17:15] <thedarkone2> anyone know why i get a dcopserver error
[17:31] <Decepticon> i did dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0, dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database, dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common, ran mythtv-setup, ran the mythfilldatabase step to completion, now im looking at the mythbuntu desktop (the black looking desktop) and theres aicon there that says "information available"
[17:31] <Decepticon> when i click it, it says i should do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database over
[17:31] <Decepticon> wtf, why
[17:31] <Decepticon> "mythtv-database reconfigure required" "the mythtv database package was upgraded or intalled but was unable to contact a mysql server."
[17:32] <Decepticon> "if you were in the process of dist-ubradping . this is normal as mysql server is stopped for a portiion o f the uprgrade. if this is a fresh package installlatiuon, verify that mysql server is installed anr dunning. once you have verifiied the server is running you can reconfigure the package by running sudo dpkg reconfigure mythtv-dtabase
[17:33] <Decepticon> if your root password ofr location of the myseql server are nonstandard you can also update them via sudo dpkg reconfigure mtythtv-database
[17:33] <Decepticon> how can i test if my mysql is not working properly at this juncture, i thought i already managed to fix everything with sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
[17:33] <Decepticon> i can even do mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv and get a prompt
[17:33] <Decepticon> so whats the big deal
[17:34] <Decepticon> please advise
[17:34] <Decepticon> what is my next step
[17:45] <laga> hey.
[17:46] <superm1> !hi | laga
[17:46] <Zinn> laga: Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[17:46] <superm1> ;)
[17:47] <laga> !stab superm1
[17:47]  * Zinn stabs superm1 with a rusty spork.
[17:50] <jphillip> Decepticon leave out the p
[17:51] <jphillip> if you do -p it will prompt you no matter what
[17:51] <Decepticon> mysql -u mythtv?
[17:51] <jphillip> ya it should then either prompt you or give you a better hint
[17:51] <Decepticon> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:51] <jphillip> there you go, you didn't set things up right, cause there is no user
[17:51] <Decepticon> i set a password, the password is 'mythtv'
[17:51] <jphillip> password for what?
[17:51] <Decepticon> mysql
[17:52] <jphillip> this is normal confusion, mysql will ask you for a root mysql password
[17:52] <Decepticon> i set them both to the same thing
[17:52] <jphillip> which you then need to specify when mythtv is installing
[17:52] <Decepticon> the myttv username/password, and the root mysql pass
[17:52] <jphillip> and then it makes a mythtv user and the password will be in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[17:52] <superm1> jphillip, do you know if we have a bug opened about this confusion?
[17:52] <superm1> i convinced kirkland to fix it during jaunty, but i need to point him at it
[17:52] <jphillip> superm1 I'm not entirely sure
[17:53] <jphillip> its not really a bug, just more of a what password is where deal
[17:53] <jphillip> it works once you know whats going on, but its confusing as all hell
[17:53] <superm1> well it's a bug with how mythtv's package handles it
[17:53] <jphillip> also if you don't reconfigure both mythtv-database and mythtv-common your mysql.txt is out of sync
[17:54] <Decepticon> i opted to use a simple password
[17:55] <Decepticon> for the root pass for mysql, and the mythtv user's password
[17:55] <Decepticon> i deleted the mysql.txt file and the xml file in ~/.mythtv and did dpkg-recomnfigure everything
[17:55] <Decepticon> i did dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database, dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[17:55] <Decepticon> i did mythtv-setup
[17:55] <Decepticon> also went through mythfilldatabase
[17:55] <Decepticon> now i ran the frontend
[17:56] <Decepticon> but when i hit watch tv, i get black screen
[18:00] <Decepticon> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f481ef49a
[18:02] <jphillip> someone correct me if I am wrong, but you don't ever choose the mysql mythtv password, that gets generated
[18:02] <jphillip> !blank% | Decepticon
[18:02] <Zinn> Decepticon: If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[18:02] <Decepticon> i was having trouble getting it to work with a blank password
[18:02] <Decepticon> so i opted to use a easy password
[18:03] <jphillip> if your mysql is worked out, that may be your current problem
[18:03] <jphillip> I'd make sure your mysql is correct first, get to the point where you can login with the mysql command to the mythconverg db
[18:03] <Decepticon> im getting a primpt if i do mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv
[18:03] <Decepticon> whats wrong with that
[18:03] <jphillip> should be able to do show tables; and see stuff in there
[18:03] <jphillip> ok if you enter the password do you get in?
[18:04] <Decepticon> yes im given a prompt
[18:04] <jphillip> throw a mythconverg at the end
[18:04] <jphillip> do you get in though
[18:04] <Decepticon> Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
[18:04] <Decepticon> Your MySQL connection id is 216
[18:04] <Decepticon> Server version: 5.0.67-0ubuntu6 (Ubuntu)
[18:04] <Decepticon> Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.
[18:04] <jphillip> not does it prompt you
[18:04] <jphillip> if you do -p it will prompt you no matter what
[18:04] <jphillip> throw a mythconverg on the end
[18:04] <jphillip> then do show tables;
[18:04] <jphillip> and see if there are things in there, if so, you are good
[18:05] <Decepticon> shows a whole bunch of stuff
[18:05] <Decepticon> recordedprogram |
[18:05] <Decepticon> | recordedrating |
[18:05] <Decepticon> | recordedseek |
[18:05] <Decepticon> etc
[18:05] <Decepticon> 81 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[18:11] <jphillip> Decepticon then your mysql setup is fine
[18:11] <jphillip> check this now:
[18:11] <jphillip> !blank% | Decepticon
[18:11] <Zinn> Decepticon: If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[18:11] <Decepticon> any idea where my recording directory is
[18:12] <jphillip> you should have set it up in mythtv-setup
[18:12] <Decepticon> i remember it being /var/lib/mythtv/
[18:12] <Decepticon> cant be sure
[18:12] <jphillip> go and double check
[18:23] <Decepticon> ls -laF /var/lib/mythtv/
[18:24] <Decepticon> drwxrwsr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-10-31 14:19 recordings/
[18:24] <Decepticon> jphillip well its chmodded properly
[18:26] <Decepticon> so im not sure why im getting a black screen
[18:45] <MassiveBlue> does mythtv support slowmotion? my livetv looks so :)
[18:54] <Decepticon> i cant get any signal, when im doing channel scan in mythtv-setup. im getting 0% signal strength in the scan for try-all. it says timeout scanning try-all 38 -- no signal
[19:03] <Decepticon> can someone please help me
[20:18] <cbovy> hi all, anyone can help me debugging mythtv on Ubuntu? I want to provide some more debugging information to ticket #5832
[20:25] <superm1> cbovy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[20:25] <superm1> that's generally the most useful way to get debugging symbols, traces, and all that fun stuff
[20:28] <cbovy> superml: I'll try it. I tried to recompile deb myself to include debug symbols, but this works better. :-)
[20:29] <superm1> yeah this is the much easier way
[20:29] <superm1> but if you want to do it that way with symbols "in the deb", there is one or two lines that you need to change to do it that way
[20:30] <cbovy> just remove dh_strip in rules?
[20:40] <cbovy> superml: I installed mythtv-backend-dbgsym and libmyth-0.21-0-dbgsym, but I'm unable to get any debug symbols.
[20:40] <superm1> cbovy, no not removing dh_strip
[20:41] <superm1> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug,nostrip
[20:41] <superm1> that env variable should do it
[20:42] <cbovy> thanks! I'll give it a try.
[22:53] <larstr> what is the best place to specify that you have a PAL TV? I've tried editing xorg.conf, but still I get no sigar
[22:56] <KjetilK> larstr: dunno, but come over to #mythtv-norge too :-)
[23:09] <wilberfan> Just installed myth on top of ubuntu 8.10... i notice that the xorg.conf file looks COMPLETELY different...  Will I be able to use the xorg.conf setup from my 8.04 mythbuntu setup?
[23:09] <wilberfan> This is what it looks like:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/65432/
[23:10] <wilberfan> The Hardy myth was perfect:  My TV was one screen, and the monitor connected to the backend machine was a 2nd screen...
[23:10] <directhex> yes, it ought to work, but i'd consider removing the input sections & allowing autoconf of those
[23:11] <wilberfan> directhex,  cool.  how would that work?
[23:12] <wilberfan> remove the "Section 'Input Device'" sections, and then run....what?
[23:12] <directhex> automatically. no InputDevice sections needed
[23:12] <wilberfan> so just copy that xorg.conf file over...and delete the InputDevice sections?   then...reboot...or...?
[23:15] <MythbuntuGuest86> hello everyone. i wonder if anyone have some time to try to help my. tried to upgrade my mythbuntu to 8.10 and something seems to have gone terrible wrong
[23:15] <MythbuntuGuest86> help me
[23:17] <wilberfan> ouch.  i'm glad, then, that i left my 8.04 alone and did a clean install of 8.10 on a separate partition!
[23:17] <wilberfan> :O
[23:18] <MythbuntuGuest86> mm, i whish i never tried to do that upgrade. i'm not that good with linux or ubuntu to figure out what is happening
[23:19] <wilberfan> yeah, i'm pretty new at this, too...
[23:19] <hads> If you ask your question and/or explain what is happening someone may be able to help.
[23:20] <MythbuntuGuest86> well, i could say as much that the system wont start up. now i get to the screen with the mythbuntu logo and below that is the text Performing autostart... been there for atleast 20 minutes now
[23:22] <MythbuntuGuest86> after some time i was able to login to ssh, and doing a ps -A it seems that i have about 50-100 processes with jockey-gtk,mythfrontend.re, the PID counter is currently at 16197 and counting. It feels like some startscript or something is in a loop
[23:24] <hads> pstree may help you find out what is starting everything
[23:24] <MythbuntuGuest86> i'll try that
[23:25] <MythbuntuGuest86> my system disk just wont stop working, so everything i'm trying to do takes forever
[23:25] <hads> `sudo invoke-rc-d gdm stop` may help that.
[23:26] <hads> It will stop X windows therefore stopping child processes of that which is likely where the processs are spawned from.
[23:27] <wilberfan> Here's the xorg.conf I want to try (I commented out the "Input" lines) http://paste.ubuntu.com/65436/
[23:27] <hads> Though you may wat to see what is starting everything before you kill it all if you can
[23:27] <wilberfan> Does it look okay?
[23:27] <MythbuntuGuest86> waiting for some output from pstree now =)
[23:28] <MythbuntuGuest86> hmm, that was not easy to read
[23:31] <wilberfan> okay...i'm just gonna jump in and try that xorg file...
[23:31] <wilberfan> :\
[23:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> does this make any sense? http://pastebin.com/d24420f98
[23:35] <hads> Not to me, weird characters.
[23:36] <MythbuntuGuest86> mm
[23:55] <MythbuntuGuest86> i guess it is not possible to revert a upgrade back to 8.04 without reinstall?
[23:57] <MythbuntuGuest86> look at this, it is crazy. http://pastebin.com/d757b128d


[01:14] <Blendify_i5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[01:14] <Blendify_i5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[01:14] <Blendify_i5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[01:14] <Blendify_i5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[01:14] <Blendify_i5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[01:16] <Slumlord_17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[01:16] <Slumlord_17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[01:16] <Slumlord_17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[01:16] <Slumlord_17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[01:16] <Slumlord_17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:43] <acronix14> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:43] <acronix14> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:45] <Selavi17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:45] <Selavi17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:45] <Selavi17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:45] <Selavi17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:46] <Selavi17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[04:37] <Me4502> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[04:37] <Me4502> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[04:38] <Me4502> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[04:38] <Guest32650> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[04:38] <Guest32650> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[06:07] <xfil> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:07] <xfil> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[06:08] <xfil> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[06:08] <xfil> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[06:08] <xfil> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[06:44] <tinyhippo29> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:44] <tinyhippo29> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[06:44] <tinyhippo29> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[06:44] <tinyhippo29> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[06:44] <tinyhippo29> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:08] <alienated> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:08] <alienated> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:08] <alienated> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:08] <alienated> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:08] <alienated> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:18] <get17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:18] <get17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:18] <get17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:18] <get17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:18] <get17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:12] <jercos7> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:12] <jercos7> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:12] <jercos7> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:12] <jercos7> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[09:12] <jercos7> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[10:37] <jfmcarreira11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[10:38] <jfmcarreira11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[10:38] <jfmcarreira11> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[10:38] <jfmcarreira11> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[10:38] <jfmcarreira11> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:26] <swordsmanz18> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:26] <swordsmanz18> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:26] <swordsmanz18> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:26] <swordsmanz18> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:26] <swordsmanz18> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:55] <Humvee6> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:55] <Humvee6> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:55] <Humvee6> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:55] <Humvee6> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:55] <Humvee6> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:07] <DenSchub11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:08] <DenSchub11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:08] <DenSchub11> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:08] <DenSchub11> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:08] <DenSchub11> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:55] <Taylor3> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:55] <Taylor3> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:55] <Taylor3> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:55] <Taylor3> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:56] <Taylor3> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:44] <bjs17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:44] <bjs17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:44] <bjs17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[13:44] <bjs17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[13:44] <bjs17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[14:17] <r3m18> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[14:17] <r3m18> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[00:04] <jbicha> no, just white for the normal one
[00:05] <darkxst> ok
[00:05] <jbicha> and sorry for changing my mind again, but what about this? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_66PcmfVUVjI/TKopzR52KMI/AAAAAAAAAVc/mSQ42LQRppY/s320/bear_family_gdm.png
[00:12] <jbicha> that last one felt a bit too big to me, maybe something in between the two sizes?
[00:34] <darkxst> jbicha, this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgbhlpkjargeima/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2010%3A33%3A16.png
[00:35] <jbicha> darkxst: yeah, which do you prefer?
[00:39] <darkxst> I guess, just the circle of friends is good
[00:49] <jbicha> I think that's what we used before lightdm so that's cool
[01:00] <darkxst> ok, done.
[01:17] <jbicha> darkxst: please use 12.10.3 instead of 12.10.2ubuntu1 for the changelog and we can just use the ubuntu_logo.png from plymouth
[01:20] <darkxst> oh right, didnt realise there was one in the base package
[01:21] <darkxst> jbicha, updated.
[01:37] <jbicha> darkxst: why when I test plymouth do I get two plymouth pop up windows?
[01:56] <darkxst> jbicha, its supposed to simulate what would happen on a multiple monitor setup
[01:58] <jbicha> oh really? interesting
[01:59] <darkxst> atleast with the opensource drivers, plymouth displays on all monitors
[02:04] <darkxst> found another plymouth test "plymouth --update=fsck:sda1:40"
[02:22] <darkxst> jbicha, once casper 1.327 lands, you can delete the 3 scripts from the casper-scripts folder of the build script
[02:23] <darkxst> (just leaving an empty folder), no other code changes are required
[02:25] <darkxst> jbicha, what does "wishlist" mean? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1058845
[02:38] <jbicha> wishlist means it's not a bug but a new feature or improvement
[02:38] <jbicha> I do plan to merge that fix before Tuesday
[03:02] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, new casper landed so I pushed those changes
[03:03]  * everaldo is full of cake!
[03:03] <jbicha> lol
[03:15] <everaldo> jbicha, I am learning how ubiquity works
[03:15] <everaldo> hope we can get it in time
[03:16] <everaldo> don't looks to have different languages for slideshow
[03:16] <jbicha> everaldo: probably not, the translators would hate us
[03:16] <everaldo> jbicha, do you know where slideshow is translated?
[03:16] <everaldo> here it looks like a plain html
[03:17] <everaldo> got it
[03:17] <everaldo> theres a python script
[03:18] <everaldo> jbicha, maybe we can just disable slideshow?
[03:20] <jbicha> everaldo: yes, I believe ubiquity works fine if there's no slideshow installed
[03:24] <jbicha> everaldo: translation deadline & final freeze is Tuesday
[03:25] <everaldo> well, let me try to get it, nothing to loose :D
[03:28] <darkxst> could do a slideshow with no text? no translation required then
[03:28] <darkxst> and would be better than nothing
[03:29] <everaldo> yes, we could try
[03:29] <everaldo> right now I am testing some colors
[03:29] <everaldo> and then start with  some images
[19:57] <darkxst> looks like the latest Nvidia blob has broken plymouth :(
[19:57] <darkxst> just get the test mode fallback now
[19:57] <jbicha> yay! more testing for the text theme ;)
[20:37] <darkxst> jbicha, need to add 'lib/plymouth/themes' to ubuntu-gnome-default-settings.install
[20:37] <darkxst> current package not installing plymouth themes
[20:40] <jbicha> darkxst: are you sure? plymouth-theme-ubuntu-gnome-logo.install seems to be right
[20:42] <jbicha> maybe we should depend on the plymouth themes to make sure they're installed
[20:43] <darkxst> ah ok, they just didnt get installed
[21:14] <darkxst> did the bugzilla watcher bot just wake up ;)
[22:34] <darkxst> jbicha, how can I merge git into gdm package?
[22:49] <jbicha> you mean how can you add a patch from git?
[22:50] <darkxst> jbicha, I need to pull in all the patches from git, so I can test patches for autologin bug
[22:50] <jbicha> darkxst: have you ever used jhbuild?
[22:51] <jbicha> but I don't know how to use jhbuild for something like gdm though
[22:51] <darkxst> yes, but I can't build gdm with that
[22:52] <jbicha> you should ask ricotz as he does it every week
[22:52] <jbicha> I think it might be as simple as
[22:53] <jbicha> ./autogen.sh; make; make install; make distcheck
[22:53] <jbicha> https://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner/Releasing
[22:53] <jbicha> but I don't really package git snapshots
[22:54] <jbicha> I'm guessing he just signed off for the night though as he lives in Europe
[22:56] <darkxst> maybe I will just try a git pull over the top of the source package


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[01:06] <dominik> would it be possible to make "smooth scrolling" in konqueror the default for kubuntu? i think many people are used to it because of Firefox: when you press yor middle mouse button (scroll wheel) you get an arrow to scroll.
[01:07] <Riddell> dominik: I find middle mouse button is much more useful for pasteing URLs
[01:07] <Riddell> dominik: smooth scroll can be done with shift up/down
[01:13] <dominik> hmm, ok. shift + up/down works good (better than smooth scrolling in konqueror ;-) ) but you could still paste with the middle mouse burtton, because in a text field it does not scroll.
[01:13] <dominik> i mean: better than smooth scrolling in konqueror with your mmb
[01:17] <Riddell> middle mouse button in firefox doesn't seem to do anything here
[01:21] <dominik> nothing? ok, than i was mistaken and it isn't the default in firefox either. sorry. what does middle mouse button do in konqueror when you leave it to default?
[01:21] <Riddell> dominik: it goes to the URL in the clipboard
[01:22] <Riddell> very useful for just clicking anywhere on the page
[01:24] <dominik> yeah, ok. then leave it as it is now is best i think
[01:43] <mdz> Riddell: firefox used to do that by default, but it was disabled by default due to usability issues
[01:43] <mdz> users trying to middle-click a link, and loading some random clipboard content as a URL instead
[01:44] <elmo> meh
[01:44] <Riddell> mdz: why would they middle click?
[01:44] <mdz> Riddell: to open in a new window/tab
[01:44] <mdz> I do it inadvertently all the time, and I *like* the feature
[01:44] <mdz> maybe it should be double-middleclick or something
[01:45] <Riddell> hmm, I do that occationally but not much
[01:51] <dato> middle click pastes url in firefox here. also, opens in new tab if you do it over a link.
[05:42] <Riddell> now, who thought it was a good idea to not get mailman to add the listname to the Subject and use procmail instead :)
[05:42] <Riddell> [kubuntu-users]  Re: [kubuntu-users]  Re: [kubuntu-users]  mounting drives
[02:29] <Riddell> got an e-mail from Harald and Roberto kdevelop dudes saying they've converted to Kubuntu, maybe we should get kdevelop i main :)
[02:30] <d3vic3> :)
[02:54] <haggai> ooh cool
[02:54] <haggai> are we allowed to move stuff into main still?
[02:54] <elmo> same rules apply, as mdz posted to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>recently, AFAIK
[03:28] <d3vic3> Riddell, ping
[03:29] <Riddell> d3vic3: yo
[03:29] <d3vic3> just tested kubuntu
[03:29] <d3vic3> have a few problem
[03:29] <Riddell> ...
[03:29] <Riddell> install from release candidate?
[03:29] <d3vic3> nope
[03:29] <d3vic3> dist-upgrade
[03:30] <Riddell> right
[03:30] <Riddell> what's up?
[03:30] <d3vic3> if i change the style, the window decorations disappear
[03:31] <d3vic3> (min, max, close buttons, window border, etc )
[03:31] <d3vic3> reboot doesn't fix it
[03:31] <Riddell> change which style?
[03:31] <d3vic3> Keramik(spelling) to Plastik
[03:31] <Riddell> window style or widget style?
[03:32] <d3vic3> window style
[03:32] <Riddell> most pecualiar, it should be plastik by default for a start
[03:32] <d3vic3> all the applets failed to load, included the clock applet
[03:32] <d3vic3> it is, switching it breaks it
[03:34] <ttf> Riddell: can I assign #7880 to you? even got a fix for that: set "inactiveForeground=140,140,140" in kdeglobals below [WM]  and remove the shadowing effect.
[03:35] <d3vic3> for some reason, my wi-fi card was disabled on login, enabled when I get back to Gnome
[03:35] <ttf> tested it out with keeping the shadowing effect - then the inactive window title text looks pretty blured
[03:35] <Riddell> ttf: sure I can do it.  which shadowing effect
[03:36] <Riddell> d3vic3: shouldn't be anything in kde or gnome which affects the wifi card
[03:36] <d3vic3> Riddell, I know
[03:36] <d3vic3> strange
[03:37] <d3vic3> oh, and the panel suddenly disappears if I click the button to hide it
[03:37] <d3vic3> Riddell, easy, I just reboot
[03:38] <Riddell> well, recreated by me so I can try and work out what causes it
[03:39] <d3vic3> yah, all I did was dist-upgrade and rebooted into KDE
[03:39] <d3vic3> let me log on to KDE again and see
[03:40] <ttf> Riddell: C.C. --> Appearance and Themes --> Window Decorations --> Use shadowed text
[03:45] <d3vic3> Riddell, www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot3.png
[03:45] <d3vic3> Riddell, I can change window focus also, Alt+Tab does nothing
[03:45] <d3vic3> s/can/can't/
[03:49] <Riddell> d3vic3: what did you dist-upgrade from?
[03:49] <d3vic3> apt-get install kde
[03:49] <d3vic3> which I did 2 weeks back
[03:50] <Riddell> hmm, so should all be KDE 3.4
[03:50] <d3vic3> yes, everything says 2.4
[03:50] <d3vic3> 3.4, even
[03:51] <Riddell> does konqueror and that load ok?
[03:51] <d3vic3> yes
[03:52] <d3vic3> ok, my bottom panel just disappeared again
[03:52] <d3vic3> i can't do nothing
[03:52] <Riddell> try logging out and apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings
[03:53] <d3vic3> Riddell, www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot5.png
[03:53] <d3vic3> ok
[03:59] <d3vic3> still the  same
[04:03] <d3vic3> Riddell, kcontrol can't fix it
[04:13] <dato> Package: kdvi
[04:13] <dato> Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[04:13] <dato> Severity: important
[04:22] <d3vic3> Riddell, full desktop after a few clicks www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot6.png
[04:24] <d3vic3> very stange
[04:24] <d3vic3> s/stange/strange/
[04:29] <Riddell> d3vic3: cvery strange indeed
[04:30] <Riddell> d3vic3: doing rm -r ~/.kde while logged out should fix it but is hardly very satisfactory from a finding out what went wrong point of view
[04:32] <d3vic3> ware u able to reproduce it ?
[04:32] <Riddell> well no, I would need a copy of your origional ~/.kde I guess
[04:35] <d3vic3> let me put it up
[04:52] <d3vic3> Riddell, it fixes it
[04:52] <d3vic3> but then as soon as I go to theme manager and change the theme, it breaks again
[04:52] <d3vic3> try changing you theme and see what happens
[04:53] <Riddell> d3vic3: I can change from plastik to keramik window theme without any problem
[04:53] <d3vic3> kcontrol -> theme manager ?
[04:57] <Riddell> d3vic3: theme manager works fine as well
[05:00] <d3vic3> strange
[05:08] <Riddell> just tried theme manager on a fresh new user and it works too
[05:09] <d3vic3> I'm gonna try a new user and see
[05:13] <Riddell> we don't have vorbis-tools installed by default which means kaudiocreator doesn't work
[05:13] <Riddell> audiocd:/ does work though
[05:14] <d3vic3> Riddell, nope, still the same
[05:20] <Riddell> svn delayed until monday
[05:30] <Riddell> Kamion: can we have a kubuntu theme for the windows software on the live CD?
[05:31] <Riddell> Kamion: hno71 has made one up http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/img/KubuntuWinFOSS_1.png
[05:32] <Riddell> and says he's going to package it to  http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/
[05:36] <Riddell> hno71: were you the guy complaining about Kpanel tooltips?  I got that changed upstream
[05:36] <hno71> Riddell: Yeah that was me. Cool
[05:37] <hno71> (I'm also the guy who sent you the website tarball)
[05:37] <hno71> Just so you can connect my nick with my name
[05:37] <Riddell> yes, someone redid the website so it can be translated, I need to set that up and make the tabs highlight correctly too
[05:38] <hno71> We're hoping to upgrade the ubuntu plone site tomorrow with that skin
[05:38] <hno71> Fingers crossed
[05:38] <Riddell> good luck :)
[05:44] <hno71> Riddell: Upload complete: http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/latest/
[05:45] <hno71> You should be able to untar and view it in firefox
[05:46] <hno71> :)
[05:46] <hno71> Any Gecko browser should work. Konqueror might even work too
[05:47] <Riddell> hno71: how come that's only 35MB and the ubuntu one is 99MB?
[05:47] <hno71> You can choose. That one is without OpenOffice, which I've also done for the Ubuntu AMD64 Live CD
[05:48] <hno71> Do you have space for the full 100MB?
[05:48] <Riddell> hno71: not sure but I would presume we do since at the moment the CD has the full Ubuntu one
[05:49] <mdz> haggai: what do you need, main-wise?
[05:49] <hno71> Right, OK. For some reason I thought KDE took more space
[05:49] <hno71> Did you remove some lang packs?
[05:51] <Riddell> don't know if we need more space or not, maybe Kamion will know
[05:51] <haggai> mdz: I was wondering about cdrdao and kdevelop.  As I said in the bug report, I guess cdrdao is a bit late in the game since k3b wants to set it suid
[05:52] <mdz> haggai: yeah, setuid is a deal-breaker
[05:52] <mdz> haggai: does it work non-setuid?
[05:54] <Riddell> elmo: could you set up a test domain pointing to /srv/kubuntu.org/www/new/ and follow the instructions in README in that directory?
[06:03] <haggai> mdz: hmm I don't have [k] ubuntu on my cd writer machine but debian's k3b actually wants to remove the suid bits on my setup now
[06:04] <mdz> haggai: can we turn off the bits where it wants to go around changing permissions on the system?
[06:05] <haggai> mdz: hmm that would be a case of disabling k3bsetup
[06:07] <mdz> haggai: k3bsetup doesn't do anything else?
[06:08] <haggai> mdz: it seems to set cdrom drive group and permissions, and set permissions on cdrecord/cdrdao binaries, all optional
[06:08] <haggai> theoretically those should all work out of the box anyway
[06:09] <mdz> right
[06:09] <mdz> and if they don't, want bugs reported and fixed, not "run k3bsetup"
[06:09] <mdz> s/want/we &/
[06:09] <haggai> true
[06:09] <haggai> I can't test it here since I only have a writer on my server and that only has ubuntu in a chroot
[06:10] <haggai> Riddell/amu/ttf: Any can any of you test if k3b can be used out of the box without needing to run k3bsetup?
[06:12] <Riddell> I don't have a CD burner
[06:15] <Kamion> hno71,Riddell: don't think there's a pressing need for space at the moment, although Kubuntu amd64 is slightly more space-constrained than Ubuntu amd64
[06:15] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  577161216 Mar 29 22:57 daily-live/current/hoary-live-amd64.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  653549568 Mar 29 22:58 daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  606375936 Mar 31 06:31 kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-amd64.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  650266624 Mar 31 06:32 kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> those are the current sizes; WinFOSS is included in both the i386 CDs, but in neither of the amd64 CDs
[06:17] <hno71> Right. So I'll just prepare separate tarballs for 386 and Amd64 on Kubuntu as well.
[06:17] <hno71> It's quite quick once you've done one
[06:18] <Kamion> I'll wait to switch over Kubuntu until you give me the word, then
[06:19] <hno71> OK, probably tomorrow. There is a bit more graphics stuff to do. Thanks.
[06:20] <hno71> mdz, haggai: I have an old Ubuntu box (warty+upgrade+kubuntu) that I've run k3b on before, but I ran it now with a fresh user and it works without running setup.
[06:20] <hno71> Does that help?
[06:22] <haggai> hno71: thanks, k3bsetup actually changes system permissions so it needs to be a fresh box, not just a fresh user
[06:23] <hno71> haggai: OK. I've run out of boxes :)
[06:23] <Kamion> hno71: ok, for tomorrow please mail me the URL, I may not be around much on IRC
[06:24] <hno71> Kamion: OK, will do
[06:24] <elmo> Riddell: is it urgent, or can it wait till tonight/tomorrow?
[06:26] <Riddell> elmo: not urgent no
[06:26] <elmo> ok, RT-ing it till I go home then
[07:53] <motaboy> Hi all. :D
[07:54] <Riddell> hello motaboy
[07:57] <motaboy> Riddell: what do you think about the patch for QT that I proposed in my mail to kubuntu-devel ML?
[07:58] <Riddell> motaboy: I'm going to look at it next (currently browsing bugzilla to remind myself of what's in there)
[07:58] <Riddell> motaboy: you should poke some MOTU (such as haggai or amu or anyone on #ubuntu-motu) to review abakus
[07:59] <motaboy> Riddell: Have you tried it ?
[07:59] <brainZzZ> or anyone on rawkus?
[07:59] <Riddell> motaboy: not tried qt patch, have tried abakus and it's perfect except I think the README file needs to be included in docs
[08:01] <motaboy> Riddell: Ok, I'll poke someone :D. For the patch, I only can talk for the gentoo side and what the kde developers asked to us.
[08:17] <motaboy> Riddell: updated abakus on dev.kubuntu :)
[08:49] <Riddell> motaboy: am compiling qt now, but can't actually recreate the origional problem
[08:52] <motaboy> Riddell: great. BTW. Try opening for example a ubuntu bug, then write something in the editor end select more than one line.
[08:53] <motaboy> Riddell: konqueror will block it for at least 1 second but also 4-5 seconds...
[08:53] <Riddell> motaboy: tried that, no block (although I have had such problems in the past)
[08:54] <motaboy> Riddell: here it happens ALWAYS :(
[08:54] <apokryphos> motaboy: there's something about that on bugs.kde.org
[08:54] <apokryphos> if you use the keyboard for the selection it works fine... though not always ideal
[08:54] <motaboy> apokryphos: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80072
[08:54] <Riddell> apokryphos: do you get the problem?
[08:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: I do, yes.
[08:55] <motaboy> apokryphos: If you are interested I wrote a mail to kubuntu-devel on this problem
[08:55] <apokryphos> motaboy: Ah, yes -- I saw it.
[08:55] <Riddell> motaboy: just minded, you should actually number abakus 0.76-0ubuntu0.1 so that the final thing can be ubuntu1 and people can upgrade to that
[08:56] <apokryphos> Though, Riddell, it doesn't happen all the time. It's sporadic.
[08:56] <Riddell> so here I am trying to get the problem and it doesn't want to be problematic for me
[08:56] <motaboy> Riddell: good. Should I on every little update increase the number? 0.2 0.3 ... 0.4544435 ?
[08:56] <Riddell> motaboy: yes, something like that
[09:51] <Riddell> motaboy, apokryphos: please test qt from here  deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu ./
[09:52] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[10:01] <apokryphos> sure
[10:04] <apokryphos> Riddell: I should restart kde, I take it?
[10:13] <apokryphos> It installed fine; no problems so far
[10:36] <Riddell> apokryphos: do you get the konqueror problem?
[10:38] <apokryphos> Riddell: Sweet. That did it
[10:38] <apokryphos> nice
[10:38] <apokryphos> motaboy: new Qt packages solve the problem...
[10:39] <motaboy> Riddell: great, no problems anymore :D
[10:40] <apokryphos> Cool
[10:40] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm curious why you cannot reproduce it. Are you using klipper?
[10:40] <Riddell> motaboy: yes, I'm using kipper
[10:41] <motaboy> Riddell: well, my ideas finished here... :(
[11:26] <Riddell> who wants to test something?  motaboy?  apokryphos ?
[11:26] <apokryphos> Riddell: always ;-)
[11:26] <motaboy> Riddell: ok
[11:26] <Riddell> can you install quanta and leave it running for a few minutes
[11:26] <Riddell> if it doesn't crash I can close https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8437
[11:27] <apokryphos> I've used it before, and had no rpoblems
[11:27] <apokryphos> but I'll try again now anyhow
[11:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: Hah, it crashed
[11:28] <motaboy> Riddell: The old crashed (I was doing nothing). Now trying the new one.
[11:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: what package version do you have installed?
[11:29] <apokryphos> ii  quanta         3.4.0-0ubuntu1 web development environment for KDE
[11:30] <Riddell> apokryphos: it's ubuntu2 I'm wanting, did you apt-get update?
[11:30] <apokryphos> sorry, will do now
 in 4 posizione con 54 punti ... dog-jobb <--- wtf did you mean by that
[11:30] <Riddell> brainZzZ: huh?
[11:30] <brainZzZ> huh?
[11:31] <Riddell> whit?
[11:31] <motaboy> Riddell: are you italian?
[11:31] <Riddell> nope, Scottish
[11:32] <Riddell> can't speak a word of Italian beyond ciao
[11:32] <motaboy> Riddell: in 4 posizione con 54 punti = fourth with 54 points.
[11:32] <Riddell> well I never said any such thing, brainZzZ is trying to frame me
[11:32] <motaboy> Riddell: dehehe
[11:32] <motaboy> Riddell: BTW the new quanta isn't crashing :D
[11:32] <brainZzZ> my doc is trying to get my anxiety better because he feels that if we can get that under control my ibs should get way better
[11:33] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm just curious, what kind how linking problem was that?
[11:34] <Riddell> motaboy: kdewebdev was compiled against an old kdesdk
[11:34] <Riddell> well I'm satisfied, I'll close the beastie
[11:45] <motaboy> Riddell: ok thanks.
[12:00] <motaboy> haggai: Finally I can reproduce bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[12:00] <motaboy> haggai: looks like it's related to the media kioslave