[01:18] <bananahands> JupiterBroadcasting
[01:25] <cmaloney> That's pretty random
[01:32] <bananahands> wrong window.
[01:32] <cmaloney> ;)
[12:23] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:23] <wolfger> morning
[12:26] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:43] <_stink_> yo
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> the chancellor of uc davis has been put on leave over her handling of the whole pepper spray thing apparently
[12:50] <wolfger> paid administrative leave?
[12:50] <cmaloney> are they trying to scrape up $175K to wipe her mistake from the internet?
[12:51] <cmaloney> Maybe they should raise tuition to raise the money.
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> i'm not sure if leave is paid or not. but the leave is just during the investigation
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> i'm sure she'll end up with some other consequence
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> hopefully they terminate her
[12:52] <cmaloney> Damage is done, sadly
[12:53] <cmaloney> That they tried to bury it on the net is the proverbial spray-topping.
[12:53] <wolfger> I'm sure it's paid leave and I'm sure they'll find that she really wasn't involved.
[12:53] <wolfger> after the spotlight fades
[12:54] <wolfger> or perhaps they'll hang her as the scapegoat
[12:54] <wolfger> probably give her a nice termination package, and she'll go somewhere else, richer for it.
[12:55] <cmaloney> I sense cynicism that things will change.
[12:55] <wolfger> bingo
[12:56] <wolfger> read two news articles today about Prince. Both contained the exact same fact, but the spin was drastically different.
[12:57] <mrgoodcat> about the percoset?
[12:57] <mrgoodcat> percocet*
[12:57] <wolfger> One said "Prescription painkillers were found in Prince's possession", the other: "Powerful opiates found in Prince's possession"
[12:58] <wolfger> this is where cynicism comes from.
[12:59] <wolfger> "News" never presents facts without painting some sort of picture or another, to instruct you how you should feel about it.
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> both articles are attempting to do the same thing tho
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> farm clicks
[12:59] <wolfger> sure
[13:00] <wolfger> they are milking the fact that people want to know how he died, and there's no official announcement yet. Time to start all the rumor mills.
[13:00] <cmaloney> It's all story-telling.
[13:00] <cmaloney> I can die from dihydrogen monodixe poisioning, or I can drink too much water.
[13:01] <wolfger> so at the end of the day, the chancellor will be painted one way or the other, and however that is, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle
[13:02] <cmaloney> We've become a culture where nuance is a dirty word
[13:02] <wolfger> but I think she's going to come out of it just fine, because people that high on the food chain always seem to.
[13:02] <wolfger> If she was a janitor, she'd be hosed. Already "let go", no compensation.
[13:02] <cmaloney> where understanding both sides takes too long, and the best we can hope for is finding someone we mostly agree with
[13:03] <cmaloney> wolfger: Oh totally
[13:03] <cmaloney> That Hastert isn't currently rotting in jail is a testament to the two-power system
[13:03] <cmaloney> vis a vis someone who allegedly had child porn on their computer getting locked up before all of the facts are in place.
[13:03] <wolfger> This is why we need Trump to make 'Murica great again....
[13:04] <cmaloney> Yeah, that'll work
[13:05] <wolfger> xD
[13:05] <wolfger> <--troll
[13:05] <cmaloney> only if we can sell The USA to The Trump USA Inc and fold the old USA into a shell company that we can sell off to pay for the acquisition costs.
[13:05] <wolfger> sadly, it looks like Bernie will not be in the election, so I probably just won't vote. My conscience forbids me from voting for either Hillary or The Donald.
[13:07] <_stink_> i just write in my wife for president
[13:07] <cmaloney> I don't want to believe in conspiracies, but part of me wonders if Trump's candidacy is to ensure Hillary makes it in
[13:07] <_stink_> she says she doesn't want the job
[13:07] <cmaloney> She's clearly not insane then
[13:07] <wolfger> I used to think that Trump was a guaranteed Democrat win, regardless of who the candidate was, but now I'm not sure.
[13:08] <cmaloney> (your wife, not HC)
[13:08] <wolfger> _stink_: you have an intelligent wife
[13:08] <wolfger> I used to be dumb enough to think I wanted to be PotUS...
[13:09] <cmaloney> Well, we couldn't afford it
[21:29] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2016/04/28/learning-challenge:-6502-assembly-language/
[23:28] <brousch> I'll finally be dipping my toe into development at work. However it will be in Android, not Python


[00:15] <Peng> You never know
[08:21] <plavcik> hello, I want to report bug with do-release-upgrade tool, but can't find how to do it with web interface only only
[08:23] <plavcik> I will give next 5 minutes of my life to Canonical, if someone will point me to quick way, how to do that
[08:27] <plavcik> here are details, if someone can utilise it https://pastebin.com/1jTMr4kq bye
[09:44]  * acheronuk rolls eyes
[18:44] <TJ-> Using lptools et al, I'm tring to iterate attributes of a bug. Unfortunately lazr.restfulclient.resource.Entry nor .Resource are iterable (no __iter__() method) - is there something else I'm missing. I'm trying to do "x = {}; for bug in bug_tasks: ... x[bug.id] = dict{bug}" so that later I can call "y = sorted(x, key=lambda b: b.heat, reverse=True)"
[22:29] <wgrant> TJ-: why are you trying to convert it to a dict? That doesn't really make sense
[22:41] <TJ-> wgrant: because Python's sorted(x, key=lambda..) doesn't seem to like it any other way than as an iterable
[22:43] <wgrant> TJ-: sorted cares that the thing it's iterating over is an iterable. It doesn't care that the objects in that iterable are.
[22:43] <wgrant> The problem that you're probably running into is that sorted(x) where x is a dict is only going to iterate over the dict's keys.
[22:44] <TJ-> x.iteritems()
[22:45] <wgrant> is the start of one approach to fix that, yes
[22:45] <TJ-> never mind anyhow, I switched to using launchapdlib directly a while back and the scripts are back track :)
[22:45] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[22:49] <TJ-> I think I was dealing with some limitations of what lptools would expose; but it was several hours ago and I've lost track of the issues now :)


[12:54] <smartboyhw> Guys, my classroom session is coming up in 7 minutes!
[13:16] <OvenWerks> micahg: can I get another try at ubuntustudio-menu: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu
[13:40] <OvenWerks> micahg: also for future reference, where would I find out about these lintian warnings before I bug you?
[13:41] <OvenWerks> I corrected for any lintian warnings I got when I bult the source on my machine. I checked my PPA build log and found nothing there either.
[13:43] <OvenWerks> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage is the where I got my instractions for building source
[13:43]  * smartboyhw thinks that is not adequate.
[13:44] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html
[13:44] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: The reason I used it is because it is a direct link from the personal PPA page launchpad gives
[13:45] <OvenWerks> Thank you for the link
[13:45] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, it's still OK, but my link is also great.
[13:48] <OvenWerks> The biggest problem with a lot of the packaging instructions is that they assume you actually have a program to package and code to compile. Metas and settings packages do not need such a complex setup... or shouldn't
[13:48] <OvenWerks> There is no real difference between source and binary


[05:38] <shasten76> Hey y'all.  How's it going?
[13:08] <studio-user778> ciao
[13:09] <studio-user778> à benesto installando ubuntu studio ma non ho fatto un area di swap andrà bene lo stesso?
[14:37] <nazareno> Hi, how to play th
[14:38] <nazareno> sorry
[14:38] <nazareno> Hi, how to play virtual piano?
[14:40] <nazareno> what program i may use to play virtual piano?
[18:35] <musica> hola!
[18:35] <zequence> musica: Hi there
[18:36] <musica> hablás español?
[18:36] <zequence> musica: No. And this is an English speaking channel. There's no spanish channel for Ubuntu Studio, but there is one for Ubuntu
[18:37] <zequence> !ubuntu-es
[18:37] <musica> ok i understand, not!
[18:38] <zequence> musica: Try #ubuntu-es
[18:38] <musica> ok is more easy for me in spanish, but we try, if you want
[18:38] <zequence> !es
[18:38] <zequence> Sure, shoot
[18:38] <musica> yes but in spanish the information is limited
[18:39] <musica> +when i use hydrogen or ardour
[18:40] <musica> the sound of the mozilla for example, leave of run, after close hydrogen or ardour
[18:41] <zequence> pulseaudio-module-jack
[18:41] <zequence> !proaudio
[18:41] <zequence> Set pulseaudio to use jack output
[18:41] <zequence> Not sure that is what you asked
[18:43] <musica> ahh ok! when i use ardour or hydrogen and after of use it, i open mozilla for example,  lost sound, pc turn mute
[18:44] <zequence> qjackctl?
[18:45] <musica> no without use qjactl
[18:45] <zequence> jackdbus + pulseaudio = <3
[18:46] <zequence> jackd + pulseaudio is ok, but you need to use "pactl" to make connection to jack
[18:46] <zequence> If you use qjackctl, it uses jackdbus by default
[18:46] <musica> patchage?
[18:46] <zequence> patchage uses jackd
[18:46] <zequence> Better to use qjackctl to start jack, then you can use patchage
[18:47] <zequence> Or, in the terminal: jack_control
[18:47] <zequence> jack_control is for jackdbus
[18:48] <zequence> After starting jackdbus, open "pavucontrol"
[18:48] <zequence> Select jack as output
[18:48] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio 14.04?
[18:48] <zequence> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=PAJackBridge.png
[18:48] <musica> ah ok! now i do! thank you very much for your assistance! and excuse me my english!,
[18:49] <zequence> No problem
[18:53] <musica> Congratulations for ubuntu Studio! Is my favourite distro and i use continuously! thanks for make it! regards from Argentina!
[20:42] <nick87720z> Hello. I have proposal for out-of-box theme. First time it was dark, but since some time (integration of gtk3 probably), it uses only greybird by default. I recently tried noobslab ppa with themes and found some good dark....
[20:43] <nick87720z> gtk2/gtk3: MediterraneanDark family (Darkest), Ambiance-Blackout.
[20:44] <nick87720z> Also could be OMG, but it is too thick, e.g. by menu items.
[20:45] <nick87720z> Will post screenshot soon...
[20:49] <nick87720z> http://i.imgur.com/O4xuEqI.png
[20:49] <nick87720z> icons on my screen are Clarity


[00:07] <Invisrc> hey anyone here
[00:14] <mkarnicki> yeah, me :D
[00:14] <mkarnicki> but i was also waiting for 'somebody' - it's rather silent here
[00:15] <mkarnicki> so i'm idleing to see any discussions :)
[05:08] <Invisrc> hey
[15:33] <awolfson> lool, Hi. I followed instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Ports and created a full system emulation environment. What is the command to boot from created hda disk
[16:15] <lool> awolfson: Did it install a kernel?
[16:16] <lool> awolfson: Easiest: drop -initrd and add root=/dev/sda or sda1 do your -append
[16:16] <awolfson> Installation finished, but how can I check?
[16:16] <lool> awolfson: Most correct: write a script which loop-mounts the disk, copies the installed kernel and initrd out of it into the host, umounts, and boots this
[16:17] <awolfson> lool, how boot command looks like, I did not find it in that wiki
[16:18] <lool> awolfson: e.g. qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -m 256 -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel vmlinuz -hda sda.qcow2 -append "mem=256M root=/dev/sda1"
[16:19] <lool> awolfson: What's missing from the landscape here is a means to abstract this away from the user; that mean could be a wrapper script as I mention earlier, but you can try the above approach which should work but wont allow you to use an initrd for instance
[16:20] <awolfson>  qemu-system-arm -boot -M versatilepb -m 256 -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel EXTRACTED_KERNEL -initrd EXTRACTED_INITRD -hda sda.qcow2 -append "root=/dev/sda1 mem=256M"
[16:20] <awolfson> lool, is it correct?
[16:21] <lool> awolfson: That looks correct, yes; if you're using an initrd you can also use a more clever root=
[16:21] <lool> awolfson: For instance, one can use UUIDs in root= for initrd boots, so you could use a fixed string referencing your root fs without mentionning the hardware device (sda)
[16:21] <lool> awolfson: If you develop such a script, or want help developing one, I'm happy to assist
[16:22] <lool> One way to mount partitioned devices is with losetup + kpartx
[16:22] <lool> awolfson: There's also one completely different approach which is related to kexec, but that's another story
[16:22] <awolfson> lool, how about GUI wrappers around QEMU - are they any good?
[16:22] <lool> awolfson: But first, you should test with the manual command-line
[16:23] <lool> awolfson: GUI is another topic; the way I'd propose to solve the GUI problem is by integrating the boot script into libvirt; libvirt allows you to define new types of virtual machines (e.g. "QEMU ARM machine") and how to boot them
[16:23] <lool> awolfson: So we could add a libvirt config for this, and use the libvirt GUI tools (virt-viewer)
[16:24] <awolfson> lool, Unfortuntely I don't know anything about libvirt :(
[16:24] <lool> awolfson: So to recap, what I'd do if I were you now: a) test manually
[16:24] <lool> b) automate extraction
[16:24] <lool> c) look into libvirt integration
[16:24] <lool> that's by increasing order of complexity
[16:25] <lool> awolfson: It's ok, libvirt is what we use for all Ubuntu vms and containers stuff, it's well documented and in use in e.g. UEC
[16:25] <lool> awolfson: But libvirt is quite high level still; first make sure things work for you   :-)
[16:26] <awolfson> lool, OK give me couple of hours, I need to finish something and will give a,b,c a try
[16:27] <lool> awolfson: Great; ttyl
[16:27] <awolfson> lool, One more question - do I need "-boot" in the command?
[16:29] <lool> awolfson: No
[16:29] <lool> awolfson: it starts the kernel when you pass -kernel
[16:30] <lool> awolfson: -boot is for e.g. when you have a memory holder where the emulated BIOS can read your boot device i
[16:30] <lool> id
[16:53] <awolfson> lool, System boots up to the login: prompt. I created user ubuntu, passwd ubuntu user. It accepts it but just ends up with new login prompt
[16:54] <awolfson> lool, I tried to loop mount sda.qcow2 but was not able to. fdisk -l sda.qcow2 reports no partition table. I guess it is normal
[16:55] <lool> awolfson: Oh right, you're using a .qcow2, that's a bit more complex
[16:55] <lool> awolfson: I didn't think of that when advising loop mounting
[16:56] <lool> awolfson: So what's the error when you're logging in with ubuntu/ubuntu?
[16:57] <lool> awolfson: Concerning loop-mounting, there are two ways: either use qemu-nbd (which will serve your QEMU disk image files -- whatever the format -- as nbd devices you can mount), or convert your image to raw (with qemu-img for instance0
[16:57] <awolfson> lool, there is no error it just goes back to login: after printing welcome message
[16:57] <lool> awolfson: Problem of raw images is that they take a lot of space
[16:57] <lool> awolfson: Something must be failing then
[16:58] <lool> awolfson: You could pass "init=/bin/sh" on the -append line and debug from there
[16:58] <awolfson> I can boot in single user mode by adding single to -append
[16:58] <lool> awolfson: e.g. you could run "su - ubuntu" or check the system log from the shell it spawns
[16:58] <awolfson> I tried it but there was nothing special in the log
[16:59] <lool> awolfson: Did you check auth.log?
[16:59] <lool> awolfson: You could try su - ubuntu, or even running a getty
[17:01] <awolfson> lool, authentication failure for user ubuntu :(
[17:01] <lool> awolfson: Are you sure you didn't mistype the password?
[17:01] <lool> awolfson: Try changing it
[17:01] <lool> (perhaps you mistyped it during install that is)
[17:02] <awolfson> lool, I tried misstype the passwd - i am getting error message in that case. I am adduser from the root shell now
[17:04] <awolfson> lool, I added ubuntu1 passwd ubuntu1 from the root shell - it goes to the login loop again
[17:04] <awolfson> lool, You just install it like it is instructed in a wiki page and it worked? Right?
[17:05] <lool> awolfson: I didn't actually try a full install, but that should work yes
[17:05] <lool> awolfson: if it doesn't it's a bug, but it might not be trivial to debug remotely
[17:06] <lool> awolfson: So if it says authentication failure, it sounds like a PAM-level issue; you could dive into PAM debug options
[17:06] <awolfson> lool, BTW among other things, however unlikely - this is a network install - may be something wrong in initrd image
[17:07] <awolfson> lool, I will return to it in couple of hours. I have single user console so it is probably not specifc to QEMU at that point
[17:08] <lool> Ok
[17:09] <lool> awolfson: If all else fails, upload your .qcow2 somewhere and I could take a look
[17:10] <awolfson> lool, also I found how to mount qcow2 image (So far did not work for me) so may be I shall start from extracting initrd and kernel?
[17:11] <awolfson> lool, qcow2 is 1.1G I could enable remote desktop on my laptop if necessary
[17:12] <lool> awolfson: As you wish, but I'm at a customer site today and tomorrow, then hotel, then on leave
[17:12] <lool> so hard for me to stay on line
[17:12]  * lool disappears
[17:12] <awolfson> lool, OK i brb


[19:01] <afeher> I've installed on old laptop ver: 17.10 ISO. 1) The network does not start, settings prolems: write permission. 2) Graphical software update chrashing.
 afeher: support at #lubuntu


[00:10] <seb128> pochu: looking for something to do? ;-) the nemiver upstream asked if ubuntu could update to the current version, that should be easy enough, I tried the current debian version and it builds and works correctly on hardy
[00:11] <seb128> upgrading to current would be nice, maybe building using libgtkhex and the new libgtksourceviewmm too as debian do now
[00:12] <pochu> Maintainer: Daniel Holbach<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:12] <pochu> oh :)
[00:12]  * pochu looks at it anyway ;-)
[00:13] <seb128> anyway, enough for me today
[00:13] <Nafallo> night seb128 :-)
[00:14] <pochu> yes, good night :)
[00:14] <pochu> hi Nafallo
[00:14] <seb128> 'night guys
[00:15] <Nafallo> hi pochu :-)
[00:15] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[00:15] <Nafallo> seb128: sure. come to London :-)
[00:15] <pochu> can I go too? :)
[00:15] <seb128> Nafallo: see you on IRC rather ;-)
[00:15] <Nafallo> can't see why not :-)
[00:15] <seb128> I've enough to do without travelling
[00:15] <Nafallo> seb128: hehe. wfm :-)
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <dejuren> guys, anyone aware of what's happening with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtksourceview/+bug/52975 ?
[07:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52975 in gtksourceview "gedit freeze when browsing a file" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:20] <seb128> good morning
[08:22] <dejuren> seb128: gm. I have a question for you...
[08:23] <dejuren> seb128: do you know the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtksourceview/+bug/52975 ?
[08:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52975 in gtksourceview "gedit freeze when browsing a file" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:25] <seb128> dejuren: nobody seems to be working on this one if that's the question
[08:26] <dejuren> seb128: OK, the answer is fair, but the bad news are we may escalate this
[08:26] <seb128> "we"?
[08:27] <dejuren> support
[08:28] <dejuren> our customer come with this today
[08:33] <dholbach> hi seb128
[08:34] <seb128> hey dholbach
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: btw, did you notice that gnome-screensaver does not accept passwords after resuming from suspend/hibernate? happens on both my boxes, so I don't think it's a local configuration error
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: that's something I want to look at next week, unless you know something about that already?
[09:11] <seb128> pitti: I didn't notice, maybe ted has an idea he's looking at gnome-screensaver nowadays
[09:17] <seb128> hey pochu
[09:17] <pochu> morning seb128
[09:18] <pochu> seb128: regarding nemiver... that will need a freeze exception and I'm not sure it will be granted.
[09:18] <seb128> pochu: I'm granting it
[09:18] <seb128> pochu: I'm the one doing the GNOMish exceptions
[09:21] <seb128> hate hate xulrunner
[09:22] <pochu> seb128: oh, cool then :-)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: xulrunner?
[09:23] <seb128> pitti: xul1.9, epiphany keeps crashing on closing
[09:23] <seb128> or hanging with no ui displayed
[09:23] <seb128> which means clicking on urls just stops working
[09:24] <seb128> I'm considering installing xul1.8 and rebuilding epiphany with it
[09:24] <seb128> anyway nothing important everybody uses firefox nowadays anyway ;-)
[09:26] <pitti> or webkit :)
[09:26] <seb128> right, that's for next cycle though
[09:27] <crevette> hello
[09:27] <crevette> thanks for pushing nemiver seb128
[09:27] <crevette> :)
[09:27] <seb128> hey crevette
[09:27] <pochu> hi crevette
[09:27] <crevette> hi pochu
[09:29] <seb128> pochu: do you think you could work on bug #153572 too?
[09:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153572 in gthumb "Merge 2.10.8-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153572
[09:32] <pochu> seb128: yes. I'll do that today
[09:33] <seb128> pochu: thanks!
[09:34] <pochu> or I could get Tormod working on it... "Personally, if I knew, I would have worked on this earlier, but now with Hardy frozen, I am not gonna do that merge if I am not sure my work will be accepted into Hardy."
[09:34] <pochu> ;)
[09:36] <seb128> either way having the update available today would be nice so it can still be considered for hardy
[09:43] <pochu> seb128: there's nemiver 0.5.2 upstream (debian has 0.5.1), I'll update to that one too which fixes an infinite loop
[09:43] <seb128> pochu: right, thanks
[09:53]  * ajmitch is saddened to hear seb128 say that epiphany is having problems
[09:54] <seb128> ajmitch: it's not that bad, mainly crashing when closing
[09:54] <seb128> I guess I'm the only one opening and closing it all the time rather than adding tabs
[09:56]  * ajmitch tends to leave it open for a few weeks if possible
[09:58]  * Amaranth tends to use firefox ;)
[10:16] <Amaranth> mvo: crap, i completely forgot to commit that rotate bug fix
[10:16] <Amaranth> done now
[10:17] <mvo> Amaranth: cool, thanks
[10:18] <Amaranth> i was waiting to see if a fix for the a11y stuff would come and then forgot the whole thing
[10:21] <mvo> it seems like the a11y stuff is settled now, but its a bit more than the initial small patch (orca changed are needed as well, right?) - do you think its still feasible to try it for 8.04 ? or is 8.04.1 better?
[10:21] <mvo> I guess we should put it into the compiz ppa
[10:21] <pochu> seb128: could you ACK bug 215146?
[10:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215146 in nemiver "[hardy] nemiver needs a version boost" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215146
[10:22] <seb128> pochu: just upload
[10:23] <pochu> ok, uploading
[10:26] <Amaranth> mvo: i don't think the a11y stuff should go into hardy at all at this point
[10:27] <Amaranth> maybe 8.04.1 but only if it really works, last i heard it didn't read the first title when you hit alt-tab
[10:27] <seb128> pitti: ^ nemiver in universe got freeze exception approval if you want to accept the new version just uploaded
[10:28] <pitti> ok
[10:28] <pitti> seb128: done
[10:29] <seb128> thanks
[10:29] <seb128> thanks pochu too ;-)
[10:29] <pochu> no probs :)
[10:29] <mvo> Amaranth: ok, oh well, the first patch looked so encouraging (small, straightforward) :)
[10:29] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:29] <Amaranth> small, straightforward, incredibly hacky :)
[10:30] <mvo> heh :)
[10:30] <Amaranth> for 8.10 i'm sure we'll have a switcher that actually uses gtk
[10:30] <Amaranth> I turned iXce on to the idea but if i thought it had a chance of getting accepted I'd probably do it
[10:38]  * mvo nods
[13:01] <pedro_> morning
[13:03] <kwwii> seb128: I updated the human theme to include the change for the compiz bug since it seems like it fixes it for everyone
[13:03] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.18.dsc
[13:03] <kwwii> dholbach: if you want to look into that, I also commited my changes to bzr
[13:33] <kwwii> seb128, dholbach: wait on those changes a bit, I might as well fix it in murrine as well
[13:34] <kwwii> erm, forget that comment :p
[13:36] <dholbach> kwwii: so the changes are all good now?
[13:37] <kwwii> dholbach: yes
[13:38] <dholbach> kwwii: can you make it (LP: #99508)?
[13:38] <dholbach> only that way the bug will get closed automatically
[13:38] <kwwii> dholbach: yepp, one second
[13:39] <kwwii> dholbach: I get that wrong every time I do it :p
[13:40] <kwwii> dholbach: should be correct now
[13:40] <dholbach> kwwii: thanks a lot
[13:41] <kwwii> dholbach: sorry for screwing up, I'll try to remember that in the future
[13:41] <dholbach> kwwii: don't worry
[13:41] <dholbach> uploaded :)
[13:42] <kwwii> :-)
[13:53] <pochu> seb128: how would you feel if I propose a gtk-vnc new upstream release (0.3.4 to 0.3.5)? It's recommended by Jonh (upstream) and fixes some important bugs in vinagre (bug 206227, bug 207205, bug 212504). There's only API additions (no API removals), and soren has told me he's ok as long as it doesn't break his libvirt stuff. Do you think we should try to get it in or is it too risky?
[13:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207205 in gtk-vnc "vinagre crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207205
[13:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212504 in gtk-vnc "vinagre gets colors wrong viewing macosx desktop on powerpc machine" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212504
[13:54] <pochu> bug 206227
[13:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206227 in gtk-vnc "vinagre fails to connect" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206227
[13:54] <seb128> pochu: ask pitti maybe, it's not really high risk since that's only vinagre which is using it on the CD, but hardy-updates would be alright too
[13:55] <pochu> pitti: ^ :)
[13:55] <pochu> sadly i didn't notice that was released on April 6th...
[13:56] <pochu> lunch, bbl
[14:34] <mpt> "Your laptop will not sleep when you shut the lid because a running program has prevented this."
[14:34] <mpt> gnome-power-manager is just too damn chatty
[14:39] <andreasn> is that new in 2,22?
[14:54] <mpt> I don't know, but it might be, because I don't see any Google results for the phrase :-)
[15:22] <jcastro> mpt: I've noticed the desktop in general getting too chatty with notifications lately.
[15:22] <jcastro> mpt: I think it would be a good idea to review notifications during UDS or something
[15:25] <mpt> jcastro, register it and propose it :-)
[15:26] <jcastro> good idea
[15:29] <mvo> asac: do you have a opinion on #185209 ? is this something we need to milestone?
[15:29] <seb128> bug #185209
[15:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185209 in network-manager "[hardy] Manually Configuring Network Causes Massive, Unreversable, Failure" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185209
[15:36] <andreasn> jcastro: speaking of notifications, have you managed to figure out how to actually close banshee when you lose it?
[15:36] <andreasn> it keeps existing in the notification area and keep on playing
[15:37] <andreasn> in 1.0 alpha 3 that is
[15:38] <jcastro> andreasn: that's a design decision
[15:39] <jcastro> and then it tells you "Banshee hasn't quit, click here" in a notification on top of that.
[15:39] <andreasn> that's just the first time, right?
[15:39] <jcastro> yeah
[15:41] <andreasn> hum, it is kind of weird...
[15:42] <andreasn> but it's not that big of a issue, I just recall it was possible to disable it when it was a plugin/extension and wondered if it had moved somewhere else
[15:42] <seb128> use rhythmbox rather ;-)
[15:43] <jcastro> everyone abuses the notification area. :(
[15:43] <andreasn> rmbox is just as icky when it comes to doing weird stuff in the notification area
[15:43] <andreasn> but thanks anyway :)
[16:17] <andreasn> mpt: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/04/17/223/ <- something for you?
[17:04] <kwwii> seb128: is it too late to update the gdm theme package?
[17:07] <seb128> kwwii: ask pitti, I'm not doing approvals and I'm not sure what they will approve between rc and hardy
[17:17] <crevette> hey guys, form me f-sport crashes each time I want to close it; do you have the same issue ?
[17:18] <seb128> crevette: yes
[17:18] <seb128> crevette: bug #199496
[17:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199496 in gtk-sharp2 "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496
[17:18] <seb128> (wrongly closed)
[17:19] <crevette> ah okay
[17:19] <crevette> thanks
[17:19] <seb128> slomo did upload a fix but that's not enough
[17:19] <seb128> you are welcome
[17:19] <crevette> I'm in the process to upload 40MB of backtrace
[17:19] <crevette> :)
[17:19] <seb128> due to that one?
[17:20] <crevette> yep
[17:20] <crevette> :)=
[17:24] <crevette> hey no photo apps is trigered when my camera is used in MTP mode
[17:25] <crevette> pr 17 18:16:21 mushroom kernel: [  556.338025] f-spot[6630]: segfault at b6aca490 eip b6aca490 esp bfcbad8c error 4
[17:25] <crevette> ah at least it tries
[17:27] <mpt> andreasn, commented (awaiting moderation)
[17:28] <seb128> crevette: g-v-m should be used again since this week, did you update yesterday or today?
[17:28] <crevette> yep
[17:28] <crevette> it's not   problem I switched back to USB
[17:39] <seb128> see you later
[17:56] <andreasn> mpt: thanks!
[18:54] <slomo> pedro_: ok, which is the new bugreport for the gtk#-crash-on-exit? :)
[18:54] <slomo> pedro_: i have the real fix now
[18:55] <pochu> bug #199496
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199496 in gtk-sharp2 "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496
[18:55] <slomo> thanks
[18:55] <pochu> hey slomo :)
[18:55] <slomo> hi :)
[18:56] <slomo> pochu: where can i upload this? directly to main or what's the current status of things?
[19:04] <pochu> slomo: yes, to main, but it will need approval from ubuntu-release (e.g. pitti or slangasek)
[19:04] <pochu> slomo: you can upload it, the queue is on manual right now


[05:37] <spanky_> Hello. Anyone else have trouble with CPU Freq. Scalling?
[05:38] <spanky_> processor       : 0
[05:38] <spanky_> vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
[05:38] <spanky_> cpu family      : 6
[05:38] <spanky_> model           : 9
[05:38] <spanky_> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz
[05:38] <spanky_> stepping        : 5
[05:38] <spanky_> cpu MHz         : 598.596
[05:38] <spanky_> cache size      : 1024 KB
[05:38] <jldugger> spanky_, might check the wiki first and see if anyone else has your model
[05:38] <spanky_> fdiv_bug        : no
[05:38] <spanky_> hlt_bug         : no
[05:38] <spanky_> f00f_bug        : no
[05:38] <spanky_> coma_bug        : no
[05:38] <spanky_> fpu             : yes
[05:38] <spanky_> fpu_exception   : yes
[05:38] <spanky_> cpuid level     : 2
[05:38] <spanky_> wp              : yes
[05:38] <spanky_> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe est tm2
[05:38] <spanky_> bogomips        : 1198.31
[05:38] <spanky_> this is straight out of the box. I wasn't able to find anything online. regarding this. Toshiba satellite
[05:39] <jldugger> S300?
[05:39] <jldugger> what model number?
[05:40] <spanky_> M30
[05:42] <jldugger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatelliteM30X-162?highlight=%28toshiba%29%7C%28satellite%29
[05:42] <jldugger> guess that one isnt very informative
[05:43] <jldugger> ok, so does lsmod report any cpufreq drivers?
[05:43] <spanky_> no known bugs
[05:44] <spanky_> not that I see but not really sure what to look for
[05:45] <spanky_> Module                  Size  Used by
[05:45] <spanky_> sbp2                   24196  0
[05:45] <spanky_> uhci_hcd               33808  0
[05:45] <spanky_> ohci1394               35124  0
[05:45] <spanky_> ipw2200               107308  0
[05:45] <spanky_> smbfs                  66552  1
[05:45] <spanky_> nls_cp437               5888  1
[05:45] <jldugger> try lsmod | grep cpufreq
[05:45] <spanky_> isofs                  37688  1
[05:45] <spanky_> udf                    88580  0
[05:45] <spanky_> binfmt_misc            12296  1
[05:45] <jldugger> dont put the whole damn thing in the channel
[05:45] <spanky_> speedstep_lib           4484  0
[05:45] <spanky_> freq_table              4740  0
[05:45] <spanky_> rfcomm                 40216  0
[05:45] <spanky_> l2cap                  26244  5 rfcomm
[05:45] <spanky_> bluetooth              50020  4 rfcomm,l2cap
[05:45] <spanky_> ppdev                   9220  0
[05:45] <spanky_> video                  16260  0
[05:45] <spanky_> toshiba_acpi           10940  0
[05:45] <spanky_> tc1100_wmi              6916  0
[05:45] <jldugger> speedstyep and freq_table are big clues that yes, it's there
[05:45] <spanky_> sony_acpi               5644  0
[05:45] <spanky_> pcc_acpi               12416  0
[05:45] <spanky_> hotkey                 11556  0
[05:45] <spanky_> dev_acpi               11140  0
[05:46] <spanky_> container               4608  0
[05:46] <spanky_> button                  6672  0
[05:46] <spanky_> acpi_sbs               19980  0
[05:46] <spanky_> battery                 9988  1 acpi_sbs
[05:46] <spanky_> ac                      5252  1 acpi_sbs
[05:46] <spanky_> i2c_acpi_ec             5120  1 acpi_sbs
[05:46] <spanky_> nls_utf8                2176  1
[05:46] <spanky_> ntfs                  103536  1
[05:46] <spanky_> ipv6                  265728  12
[05:46] <spanky_> dm_mod                 58936  1
[05:46] <spanky_> md_mod                 72532  0
[05:46] <spanky_> sr_mod                 16932  0
[05:46] <spanky_> af_packet              22920  4
[05:46] <spanky_> scsi_mod              139496  2 sbp2,sr_mod
[05:46] <spanky_> parport_pc             35780  0
[05:46] <spanky_> lp                     11844  0
[05:46] <spanky_> parport                36296  3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp
[05:46] <spanky_> pcmcia                 40508  0
[05:46] <spanky_> joydev                 10048  0
[05:46] <spanky_> tsdev                   8000  0
[05:46] <spanky_> yenta_socket           28428  1
[05:46] <spanky_> e100                   40580  0
[05:46] <spanky_> rsrc_nonstatic         13440  1 yenta_socket
[05:46] <spanky_> pcmcia_core            42640  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
[05:46] <spanky_> mii                     5888  1 e100
[05:46] <spanky_> ieee80211              37064  1 ipw2200
[05:46] <spanky_> ieee80211_crypt         6272  1 ieee80211
[05:46] <spanky_> ieee80211_1_1_13       38216  0
[05:47] <spanky_> ieee80211_1_1_13_crypt     6784  1 ieee80211_1_1_13
[05:47] <spanky_> rtc                    13492  0
[05:47] <spanky_> psmouse                36100  0
[05:47] <spanky_> serio_raw               7300  0
[05:47] <spanky_> pcspkr                  2180  0
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_intel8x0           33692  3
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_ac97_codec         93216  1 snd_intel8x0
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_ac97_bus            2304  1 snd_ac97_codec
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_pcm_oss            53664  0
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_mixer_oss          18688  1 snd_pcm_oss
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_pcm                89864  4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_timer              25220  2 snd_pcm
[05:47] <spanky_> nvidia               4550772  0
[05:47] <spanky_> snd                    55268  10 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[05:47] <spanky_> intel_agp              22940  1
[05:47] <spanky_> soundcore              10208  1 snd
[05:47] <spanky_> snd_page_alloc         10632  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[05:47] <spanky_> i2c_core               21904  2 i2c_acpi_ec,nvidia
[05:47] <spanky_> agpgart                34888  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[05:47] <spanky_> shpchp                 45632  0
[05:47] <spanky_> pci_hotplug            29236  1 shpchp
[05:47] <spanky_> evdev                   9856  2
[05:47] <spanky_> ext3                  135816  1
[05:47] <spanky_> jbd                    58772  1 ext3
[05:47] <spanky_> ide_generic             1536  0
[05:47] <spanky_> ieee1394              299832  2 sbp2,ohci1394
[05:47] <spanky_> ehci_hcd               34184  0
[05:48] <spanky_> usbcore               130820  3 uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
[05:48] <spanky_> ide_cd                 33028  1
[05:48] <spanky_> cdrom                  38560  2 sr_mod,ide_cd
[05:48] <spanky_> ide_disk               17664  4
[05:48] <spanky_> piix                   11012  1
[05:48] <spanky_> generic                 5124  0
[05:48] <spanky_> thermal                13576  0
[05:48] <spanky_> processor              23360  1 thermal
[05:48] <jldugger> evey line this puts out makes me less enthusastic to help you
[05:48] <spanky_> fan                     4868  0
[05:48] <spanky_> capability              5000  0
[05:48] <spanky_> commoncap               7296  1 capability
[05:48] <spanky_> vga16fb                13704  1
[05:48] <spanky_> vgastate               10368  1 vga16fb
[05:48] <spanky_> fbcon                  42784  72
[05:48] <spanky_> tileblit                2816  1 fbcon
[05:48] <spanky_> font                    8320  1 fbcon
[05:48] <spanky_> bitblit                 6272  1 fbcon
[05:48] <spanky_> softcursor              2304  1 bitblit
[05:48] <spanky_> sorry
[05:48] <spanky_> no cpufreq
[05:48] <jldugger> you've got speedstep though
[05:49] <jldugger> ps aux | grep cpufreq
[05:49] <jldugger> ps aux | grep powernowd
[05:53] <spanky_> only a cpufreq applet
[05:54] <jldugger> your install was Ubuntu 6.06 LTS?
[05:54] <spanky_> yes
[05:54] <jldugger> or edgy knot 3?
[05:54] <jldugger> sudo apt-get install powernowd; hopefully its already installed
[05:54] <spanky_> never even heard of edgy knot3
[05:54] <jldugger> edgy is the next version in development
[05:56] <spanky_> no It's the last stable release I have installed....and installing powernowd app now
[05:56] <jldugger> im curious how you managed to get ubuntu-desktop without powernowd
[05:57] <spanky_> it says cpufrequency scaling not supported when the daemon started.
[05:58] <jldugger> ah.
[05:58] <jldugger> powernowd supports anything that uses the cpufreq driver
[05:58] <jldugger> maybe you need cpufreqd
[05:59] <jldugger> that doesnt sound better though =/
[05:59] <spanky_> No cpufreq interface found, not starting cpufreqd.
[06:00] <jldugger> well, maybe try putting in the cpufreq drivers
[06:00] <jldugger> modprobe cpufreq
[06:00] <spanky_> it's weird cause it's hot too. Hotter than I would expect especially with the reduced cpu output. It's running at 52 right now and has been up to 60C. That's what originally got me looking into the power and cpu settings
[06:01] <jldugger> i imagine its hot because either the fan is off or the cpu is running at top speed
[06:02] <spanky_> fan doesn't kick in that' I've noticed. Or it's super quiet.
[06:02] <jldugger> did you put in any kernel boot options like noacpi?
[06:03] <spanky_> should still be visible in grub boot options? not that I remember but I chose mostly defaults on install
[06:04] <jldugger> yea, menu.lst would be a good place to double check
[06:05] <spanky_> only ro quiet splash
[06:06] <jldugger> try "sudo modprobe cpufreq_userspace"
[06:07] <spanky_> ran with no output $?=0
[06:07] <jldugger> now try to run powernowd
[06:08] <jldugger> /etc/init.d/powernowd restart
[06:08] <spanky_> daemon started that time
[06:09] <jldugger> you have the cpufreq applet going?
[06:10] <spanky_> yes but they seem to be non responsive now. right click on the temp and cpu applet in the panel and no responce
[06:11] <jldugger> yea, probably should have killed them before the modprobe
[06:11] <jldugger> well, just kill em off now
[06:11] <spanky_> looking now
[06:12] <jldugger> then readd em and see what the speed is reporting
[06:12] <jldugger> re-add
[06:13] <spanky_> will /proc/cpuinfo report the same?
[06:13] <jldugger> no
[06:13] <jldugger> that appears to be calculated at startup
[06:14] <jldugger> at which point a) you cant have scale it down and b) you wouldn't want to anyways
[06:14] <spanky_> on applet launch "CPU frequency scaling unsuported. you will not be able to modify...your machine may be misconfigured or not have hardware support for frequency scaling
[06:17] <jldugger> im really not an expert at this stuff. i just got in a toshiba of my own two weeks ago
[06:19] <spanky_> temp has dropped a bit lately but the load is light on it right now
[06:19] <jldugger> you can also load in the module cpufreq_conservative
[06:19] <spanky_> what's that?
[06:20] <jldugger> its another governor
[06:21] <jldugger> userspace lets a userspace program decide what the power should be, where it can consider things like how long its been since the last switch, how busy the system is, what the other processors (should you have smp) are doing, etc
[06:21] <jldugger> conservative just drops to lowest
[06:21] <spanky_> ok cool
[06:22] <jldugger> but you need to set cpufreq to use it
[06:22] <jldugger> i thought the interface was somewhere in /proc
[06:27] <spanky_> hmm
[06:35] <jldugger> cant find anything in /proc/ =( try "cpufreq-selector conservative"
[06:36] <spanky_> no cpufreq support
[06:38] <jldugger> at this point, i suggest filing a bug on launchpa
[06:38] <jldugger> launchpad
[06:39] <spanky_> ok. Thanks for the help.
[06:39] <spanky_> still working out some of the finer points of system config
[06:40] <jldugger> yea, it can be interesting some times ;)
[06:40] <jldugger> ive got a tecra m7 tablet. it almost works
[06:41] <spanky_> almost works out of the box or after some work?
[06:42] <jldugger> had to install wacom-tools
[06:42] <jldugger> then it worked
[06:42] <jldugger> almost
[06:42] <jldugger> there's a few interesting problems though
[06:42] <spanky_> you on the dev team?
[06:42] <jldugger> GNOME doesnt seem to recognize right click
[06:43] <jldugger> and if you convert the laptop to tablet mode, the input is broken.
[06:43] <spanky_> what if you use a usb mouse still has problems?
[06:43] <jldugger> the mouse works fine
[06:43] <jldugger> its the tablet part
[06:43] <spanky_> and probably no OCR
[06:43] <jldugger> yea
[06:44] <jldugger> there's also a thumbprint scanner
[06:44] <jldugger> i'll need to dig into that some more as well.
[06:44] <spanky_> any support for the thumb reader?
[06:44] <jldugger> im not on a dev "team" at the moment
[06:44] <jldugger> apparently some think pads use a fingerprint scanner
[06:44] <jldugger> from the same company: UPEK
[06:44] <spanky_> ya good luck getting drives though
[06:44] <jldugger> and they work in linux with some work
[06:45] <jldugger> but they're not common enough
[06:45] <jldugger> its really slick though. you set it up in pam, and whenever it would for a password, can swipe your thumb
[06:45] <jldugger> sudo apt-get install new-toy
[06:46] <jldugger> <thumb swipe>
[06:48] <spanky_> alright well thanks for the help. I'm off to bed it's getting late here


[21:21] <BugeyeD> Paul Tagliamonte (paultag) has declined the invitation to make Approved
[21:21] <BugeyeD> LoCo Teams (locoteams-approved) a member of UBUNTU - BR - LINUX TRAIPU
[21:22] <BugeyeD> (linux-traipu).
[21:22] <BugeyeD> any idea why i would have received that via email?
[21:26] <holstein> BugeyeD: yeah, whats that mean?
[21:27] <holstein> i saw that, and havnet had a chance to mention it to paultag
[21:56] <Nivex> I dunno, but I got a copy too.
[21:58] <BugeyeD> perhaps we're all on a mailing list corresponding to 'locoteams-approved'
[22:17] <_marx_> might have been pushed to all loco team lists
[22:20] <_marx_> hum, 92 unread


[13:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: changed order of agenda items a bit - get the heavy stuff in at the beginning for people (me) start flagging :)
[14:01] <flocculant> s/before/for


[06:48] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:48] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:23] <nuvolari> mornings everyone, oom Kilos, superfly
[07:23] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[07:23] <Kilos> hi there nuvolari you  ready for another day
[07:23] <sakhi> Morning
[07:23] <Kilos> without your organs
[07:23] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[07:27]  * nlsthzn waves at the ZA team :)
[07:27] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[07:27] <sakhi> morning nlsthzn
[07:30] <nlsthzn> salute uncle Kilos and Mr. sakhi :)
[07:48] <Kilos> hi morgs
[07:48] <morgs> Hi Kilos and all
[07:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:49]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:49] <Kilos> hmmm
[07:49] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[07:49]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[07:49] <Kilos> oh my
[07:50] <Kilos> Maaz, why you so slow
[07:50] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[07:50] <Kilos> twit bot
[07:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:53] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:53] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[08:36] <Kilos> yay. langjan's maverick repaired itself
[09:27] <nuvolari> Kilos: heh, het darm nog al my organe oom
[09:30] <Kilos> lol
[10:17] <Squirm> faul
[11:32] <Squirm> anyone know some debian based tools that could kind of stress test a network?
[11:55] <inetpro> Squirm: why?
[11:55] <inetpro> Squirm: try iperf
[11:55] <inetpro> iperf is a tool for performing network throughput measurements
[12:06] <Squirm> thanks inetpro
[12:54] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[12:54]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[12:58] <inetpro> Maaz: thank you kindly
[12:58] <Maaz> inetpro: np
[13:20] <superfly> *sigh*
[13:20] <superfly> why, NickP, why?
[13:20] <superfly> *NicoM
[13:20] <Kilos> wassup superfly
[13:20] <superfly> Kilos: just an idiot on the mailing list who doesn't actually listen to anybody
[13:20] <Kilos> lol
[13:21]  * superfly nearly wrote that whole e-mail in CAPITAL LETTERS
[13:21] <Kilos> is this about the invidia goodies
[13:21]  * Owkkuri contemplates signing up to #ubuntu-za's mailing list
[13:21] <superfly> ya
[13:22] <Kilos> hi Owkkuri long time no see
[13:22] <superfly> Owkkuri: if you want to be pained by occasional n00bs, then yes
[13:22] <Owkkuri> haai Kilos
[13:22] <Kilos> superfly, be nice to noobs
[13:22] <Kilos> like you were/are to me
[13:22] <Kilos> invite him here
[13:23] <superfly> Kilos: you listen to people, he doesn't
[13:23] <Kilos> he is not sure who to listen to i think
[13:24] <Kilos> werent there a few suggestions last few days or so
[13:57] <Kilos> ah he made it
[13:57] <Kilos> and left again
[13:57] <Kilos> bbl. be good all
[14:21] <highvoltage> superfly: hey there
[14:21] <highvoltage> superfly: something seems to have gone a bit weird with the meeting times on ubuntu-za.org, it's all set to 1 January 1970 at 00:00
[14:24] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:24] <inetpro> highvoltage: someone built a time machine?
[14:25]  * inetpro would love to start over and do a few things differently in life
[14:52] <highvoltage> hindsight is 20/20 :)
[14:57] <inetpro> highvoltage: hmm... obviously being a time machine I would expect that I won't have to relearn everything from scratch ;-)
[15:03] <superfly> highvoltage: hrm, I'll have a look
[17:41] <nlsthzn> Station :D
[18:00] <Kilos> whats the :D
[18:02] <Kilos> oh. big tooth smile
[18:02] <Kilos> ty pidgin
[19:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight