[06:11] <agroker> what did you discuss guys, am i late/
[06:12] <DanaG> For me, I can only connect at 24 or 36 megabits at home; in Windows, I get 54.
[06:12] <mneptok> LimCore: i will not next time.
[06:12] <LimCore> mneptok: you just did.
[06:12] <tritium> LimCore: we've discussed it for quite some time now.  Time to stop.
[06:12] <bazhang> agroker: some network issues
[06:12] <DanaG> I also get the card locking up sometimes after a resume from sleep.
[06:12] <jester7> teamcobra: i just notice that in the network manager it registers either 1 or 2 Mbit/s.  maybe that's a network manager bug?
[06:12] <DanaG> If I try to modprobe -r the module, moprobe hangs and devours CPU.
[06:12] <pwnguin> did anyone even suggest ubuntu-offtopic?
[06:12] <DanaG> And becomes unkillable with ANY signal (I've tried them all), even from root.
[06:12] <bazhang> wow
[06:13] <pwnguin> i know it's about as mean as kickbanning someone, but it migth be more constructive
[06:13] <teamcobra> jester: I just checked, and you're right.... but it's a netmanager bug ;)
[06:13] <jester7> teamcobra: ok, cool
[06:13] <DanaG> Oh hey, how do you change UI language after installing the packages with the Language Support thingy?
[06:13] <jester7> now, anybody know about this noapic thing?
[06:13] <charles___> how can I tell which driver is currently being used by X?
[06:14] <teamcobra> aww, and I was just about to msg him w/ a shockwave video of someone getting r00ted via network share and ssh keys, and the pwned box happens to be ubuntu :p
[06:14] <teamcobra> jester: yeah, noapic will disable hyperthreading on your cpu
[06:14] <Lynoure> charles___: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:14] <jester7> doh
[06:15] <bazhang> charles___: open a terminal and cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:15] <jester7> teamcobra: i'm interested in that shockwave vid
[06:15] <bazhang> charles___: then look for the driver name
[06:15] <pwnguin> Lynoure: what if you're using bulletproofX at the time?
[06:15] <pwnguin> failsafe mode has a seperate xorg.conf
[06:15] <hiredgoon> is there an easy grub switch to disable hyperthreading?
[06:16] <teamcobra> jester: I'll have to dig it up, gimme a few mins
[06:16] <Lynoure> pwnguin: ask the channel about that, I've never used that. Does it ship with Ubuntu?
[06:16] <pwnguin> Lynoure: ....yes? since gutsy?
[06:17] <pwnguin> /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have an accurate hint at what you're currently using, if you know what to look for
[06:17] <Lynoure> pwnguin: if it is the default (apt-cache search bulletproof did not give any X), that's still the confic file
[06:18] <pwnguin> its not a package
[06:18] <jester7> so does using noapic mean i'm not using one of my dual cores?
[06:18] <pwnguin> its an alternative configuration provided with gdm in case X fails to start
[06:19] <BlueLaguna> I just upgraded to Hardy...and my sound stopped working
[06:19] <BlueLaguna> KMix says "Mixer cannot be found" :-/
[06:20] <Lynoure> pwnguin: oh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX  , any idea if it also works with kdm?
[06:20] <gluer> teamcobra: my wireless is connected and working but my CPU is at 100%, when i turn off wireless its fine again?
[06:20] <pwnguin> dont quote me on this, but i think it doesnt have any provisions for it
[06:20] <pwnguin> kdm is kinda suck
[06:20] <bazhang> is the bulletproof x recovery mode?
[06:21] <BlueLaguna> Any idea what's causing my sound problem?
[06:21] <teamcobra> gluer: I'm not sure, someone else said something about that earlier, and I think it was wpa or wpa2 related
[06:21] <gluer> yeh im using wpa2
[06:21] <teamcobra> jester: no, it'll still use both cores
[06:21] <bazhang> im using wpa2 as well, but Hardy says it is wpa, no problems connecting though
[06:23] <Lynoure> pwnguin: Seems to work pretty reliably otherwise, *shrug*
[06:23] <pwnguin> Lynoure: it doesnt work with thinkfinger either
[06:23] <teamcobra> jester7, ready for some football? here's the vids: http://www.metasploit.com/research/conferences/  , Check out the videos from Black Hat Briefing 2007
[06:23] <pwnguin> Lynoure: if i recall, there's a problem with it not actually using pam or some such
[06:25] <teamcobra> does /boot have to be on a non-raid drive for grub to work?
[06:25] <SeveredCross> It might.
[06:25] <Lynoure> pwnguin: I think that got changed some time back, unless it has broken again
[06:25] <pwnguin> Lynoure: well then, one less reason to hate it i guess
[06:26] <teamcobra> Severed: sweet, I'll give it a shot after smoking..... my body needs nicotine
[06:26] <jester7> teamcobra: thanks for the link, i completely forgot i'm on using a cellphone-as-a-modem connection.  128k really won't cut it for checking those vids :)
[06:26] <jester7> but i've got it bookmarked so i'll check it out
[06:26] <pwnguin> jester7: wget ;)
[06:26] <teamcobra> jester: they're small
[06:26] <jester7> oh, ok...i'll give it a shot
[06:26] <pwnguin> 3.1M
[06:27] <teamcobra> yeah, 1-5mb for each, ssh_masher = 1.7mb
[06:27] <Lynoure> pwnguin: But thanks for giving a reason.  so I closed it down but luckily everything booted up fine after that.
[06:30] <jester7> any chance they are going to fix the low volume a lot of computers are having before the final release?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> probably the same chance of fixing the high volume my computer has before release.
[06:34] <pwnguin> jester7: have you tried alsamixer?
[06:34] <DanaG> I'd need a shrink-ray to reduce the volume of my computer.
[06:35] <jester7> pwnguin: what do you mean?
[06:35] <jester7> i'm just dealing with the default hardy install...alsamixer isn't default i guess?
[06:36] <jester7> well, alsamixer seems to be the default
[06:36] <DanaG> I use touchpad, myself.
[06:37] <DanaG> In fact, if I had to get a desktop again, I'd probably actually get a touchpad for it!
[06:37] <DanaG> Odd, but true.
[06:37] <DanaG> oops, wrong tab.
[06:37] <DanaG> Dang tabbed chat.
[06:37] <jester7> lmao
[06:37] <jester7> i agree anyway....touchpad all the way :p
[06:38] <SeveredCross> Touchpads suck.
[06:38] <SeveredCross> Give me a good mouse any day.
[06:38] <DanaG> Mmmm, RSI.
[06:38] <DanaG> At least with my MX700, when playing HL2:ep2 when it's "frickin' cold".
[06:43] <telexicon> oh, whats the plan for firefox?
[06:44] <telexicon> seems like ff3 wont be done until june
[06:45] <HorizonXP> anyone use the new evolution yet?
[06:45] <telexicon> HorizonXP, not yet, but im definitely planning on it
[06:46] <HorizonXP> hmm...
[06:46] <HorizonXP> Google Calendar support is good, but it only syncs to my main calendar
[06:46] <HorizonXP> doesn't seem to pick up on the fact that I have more than 1
[06:50] <pwnguin> touchpads do suck, but on the airplane your choices are limited
[06:51] <pwnguin> which is why i have a tablet ;)
[06:51] <teamcobra> yeah, one of my pet projects is designing a tablet
[06:52] <pwnguin> thats quite a project ;)
[06:52] <pwnguin> lemme give you a suggestion: lighter is better
[06:52] <teamcobra> yeah, it's pocket-based ;)
[06:53] <teamcobra> for music tracking and stuff ;)
[06:53] <pwnguin> music tracking
[06:53] <pwnguin> like .it?
[06:53] <pwnguin> or like iPod
[06:53] <teamcobra> like .it , I'm a happy Renoise owner ;) www.renoise.com
[06:54] <pwnguin> ever seen nitrotracker?
[06:54] <teamcobra> no, googling now :)
[06:54] <teamcobra> haha, nice
[06:55] <teamcobra> I wanted to do the same thing, but never got around to buying a  ds + devkit
[06:55] <pwnguin> yea, you can record your own instruments with the mic
[06:55] <teamcobra> the killer app for such a tracker would be a stylus-based scratching utility ;)
[06:55] <pwnguin> well, the ds is expensive, but you can get microsd tools to run ds software for like 40
[06:56] <pwnguin> teamcobra: there's also electroplanton ;)
[06:56] <teamcobra> yeah, my buddy's brother does a lot of ds dev, he also wrote a snes debugger/resourcer
[06:57] <teamcobra> he still has his superwildcard dx in the snes ;)
[06:57] <teamcobra> last I talked to him, he was building a starfox 2 cartridge :p
[06:58] <pwnguin> heh
[06:58] <pwnguin> thats quite old
[06:58] <teamcobra> yeah, but it was an unreleased beta
[06:58] <teamcobra> that uses a modified superfx chip
[06:58] <teamcobra> he got it working on the swcDX, and wanted to get it working on a physical cart ;)
[06:58] <pwnguin> i meant the swc
[06:59] <pwnguin> oh, and apparently korg is making ds cartr
[07:00] <pwnguin> http://www.aqi.co.jp/product/ds10/en/index.html
[07:01] <teamcobra> wow, now akai has to follow suit ;)
[07:01] <pwnguin> teamcobra: you mentioned scratch on the DS, how's this? http://gorgull.googlepages.com/home2
[07:01] <teamcobra> mpc-ds ;)
[07:01] <DanaG> Heh: http://lenovoblogs.com/designmatters/?p=58
[07:01] <teamcobra> wowowowowow, it sends midi over WIFI?
[07:02] <pwnguin> teamcobra: yep
[07:02] <teamcobra> for scratching!? wowowowo, ds + traktor = pwn pwn pwn
[07:02] <DanaG> Anybody here have a Logitech DiNovo Edge (the one with the circular touchpad)?
[07:02] <DanaG> I'm curious whether it works with the Synaptics driver.
[07:04] <pwnguin> why's that keyboard say IBM?
[07:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, there are two drivers for touchpads
[07:05] <DanaG> What I mean is, it's possible that Logitech has chosen not to expose the touchpad device directly.
[07:10] <xjjk> DanaG: yes, I have it
[07:10] <xjjk> DanaG: I don't know, I've not tried...
[07:10] <xjjk> that is going to be a sophisticated xorg.conf I have to write, since I've another mouse I use
[07:11] <xjjk> DanaG: those would be fantastic if they were wireless
[07:11] <HorizonXP> hey, i'm having trouble with google calendar in evo 2.22
[07:11] <HorizonXP> in my account, i have more than one calendar. How do I add calendars to evo other than my default one?
[07:12] <DanaG> xjjk: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log   -- look for Synaptics.
[07:13] <gluer_> how do i get scrolling icons in bottom of screen?
[07:13] <DanaG> A dock?
[07:14] <gluer_> dg: yeh
[07:14] <xjjk> DanaG: hrm, I need to startup X with the keyboard connected for something to be in there, won't I...
[07:14] <DanaG> I'm not sure on that, actually.
[07:14] <xjjk> I hotplugged it, and all I got were two XINPUT lines telling me I connected a new keyboard and mouse
[07:15] <DanaG> aah.
[07:15] <xjjk> DanaG: what did you want to do with the synaptics driver, just wondering?
[07:16] <DanaG> There are cool things I already do with my laptop touchpad: two-finger scrolling, circular scrolling, multi-finger tapping, and such.
[07:16] <birmaan> morning
[07:16] <DanaG> ⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥⍤⍥!
[07:16] <xjjk> the edge trackpad is sort of small for that IMHO...
[07:16] <xjjk> it does it's circular edge scrolling already, which I suppose is implemented in hardware
[07:17]  * xjjk types a line with no meaning just because it's fun to type on this keyboard
[07:19] <pwnguin> do the nvidia binaries work with vts reliably?
[07:19] <pwnguin> ive been told before they don't, but ive never personally hit that bug
[07:22] <pwnguin> so the new hal supposedly added support for tabletPC awareness
[07:23] <pwnguin> any idea what that means in visible features?
[07:24] <telexicon> the features are nice
[07:24] <telexicon> hows the push for stability going?
[07:25] <VanDyke> anyone here tried the alternate x64 CD ?
[07:25] <teamcobra_> back, looks like the update broke b43, owell ;p
[07:32] <nickrud> glad to see I'm not the only casualty of b43
[07:32] <nickrud> well, not glad exactly
[07:32] <VanDyke> b43 ?
[07:33] <bazhang> broadcom wireless
[07:35] <VanDyke> ooooh
[07:36] <VanDyke> hehehehe
[07:36] <VanDyke> that's a fun one
[07:36] <VanDyke> I tried the x64 KDE4 cd here
[07:36] <VanDyke> no luck with that one
[07:36] <VanDyke> KDE4 came broken by default
[07:38] <bazhang> not so here; worked like a charm
[07:39] <VanDyke> did the splash screen work for you, bazhang ?
[07:39] <VanDyke> at boot time
[07:40] <bazhang> for kde4? or 64bit?
[07:40] <VanDyke> the kde4 x64 cd
[07:40] <VanDyke> splash at boot time
[07:40] <bazhang> bad burn?
[07:41] <VanDyke> no it's after being installed
[07:41] <VanDyke> my screen was blank
[07:41] <bazhang> hmm that is odd
[07:41] <VanDyke> then when it loaded kdm it showed up
[07:41] <bazhang> video card all right?
[07:41] <VanDyke> yeah
[07:41] <VanDyke> 8800GT, 15" screen
[07:41] <bazhang> strange
[07:41] <bazhang> oh yeah that card..some users have reported problems
[07:42] <VanDyke> I changed vga modes on menu.lst, with no success
[07:42] <VanDyke> interesting
[07:42] <bazhang> first adopters always suffer ;[
[07:42] <VanDyke> I also installed NVIDIA official driver, but it would conflict in NVRM kernel module
[07:42] <VanDyke> I had always to first do rmmod / modprobe then load kdm
[07:42] <bazhang> ouch
[07:43] <teamcobra_> bbiab all
[07:43] <bazhang> cya
[07:43] <VanDyke> cya
[07:43] <VanDyke> really weird
[07:43] <DanaG> My consoles are also blank if I use vga=anything, or if I use savagefb (on an old laptop).
[07:43] <VanDyke> I'm getting the x86 cd now
[07:44] <DanaG> Oddly enough, running aptitude or cacafire shows colors, but no text.
[07:44] <DanaG> I have to setupcon every time I change VT.
[07:44] <bazhang> very odd
[07:44] <VanDyke> very very odd
[07:44] <VanDyke> also KDE4 wouldn't load here
[07:45] <VanDyke> it shows that initial splash with loading stuff, then crash the plasma desktop and bam, stay there
[07:46] <bazhang> that stinks, because kde4 is really nice in Hardy
[07:46] <VanDyke> well
[07:46] <VanDyke> let's see with the 32bit cd
[07:47] <simi> hi, after a ctrl+alt+backspace the gnome panels had disapered and i can't make them appear, i can't launch anything because the alt+f2 is not working
[08:01] <gluer_> which music player is best to use?
[08:01] <pwnguin> i like guitars
[08:02] <pwnguin> my roommate is fond of drums, but i say thats not music
[08:02] <gluer_> want a player with internet radio
[08:02] <pwnguin> a player, or player and browser?
[08:03] <pwnguin> if you've got a url in mind, i think totem can accomodate you
[08:03] <gluer_> yeh i was thinking something like real player
[08:03] <pwnguin> thats not an answer anymore =/
[08:03] <pwnguin> real player has shitty promotional crap that gets in the way now
[08:04] <pwnguin> did you want that?
[08:04] <gluer_> just the music :-)
[08:05] <pwnguin> totem might be all you need
[08:05] <pwnguin> what's the url?
[08:07] <bazhang> www.deezer.com for internet streaming
[08:07] <pwnguin> rhythmbox also handles it now it seems
[08:07] <pwnguin> but i have to say, as great as I've found rhythmbox for my personal needs, it seems to be very poorly maintained
[08:07] <gluer_> will try totem
[08:11] <DanaG> I use QuodLibet or Exaile.
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/070/a/a/Funny_T_Shirt_Wallpaper_by_WhatevaAccount.jpg
[08:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what's the random wallpaper app's name?
[08:29] <DanaG> For one thing, that's NSFW; for another thing, can you say, back pain?
[08:29] <Belisarivs> HI all.
[08:30] <Belisarivs> I have problem with wifi card Intel 3945 in Hardy. Could someone help me?
[08:31] <bluebanana>  Hello. I'm installing Xubuntu 8.04 beta on a computer. In final stage (Step 8 of 8), the advanced option has a check mark on the box beside "Install Boot Loader". The following line has "Device for Boot loader installation.". In the dropdown list, "(hd0)" is what was preselected. Is this correct? Or should I change from (hd0) to "/dev/sda" or to "dev/sda1". Please help! Thanks
[08:31] <Belisarivs> I'd like to fill bugreport in launchpad, but I'd like to ask for help to make it as accurate as possible.
[08:31] <Belisarivs> Do you use SATA?
[08:31] <kebinusan> so I started messing around with hardy, but Im noticing some studders in audio playback in things that use xine (kaffeine for example) any ideas on how to fix that
[08:32] <Belisarivs> Well, if you don't find solution, you cal still use mplayer as backend in kaffeine.
[08:32] <Belisarivs> Instead of xine.
[08:33] <Belisarivs> -cal +can
[08:33] <kebinusan> yeah I'll try gstreamer and see if it happens as well
[08:34] <Belisarivs> mplayer is imho better
[08:34] <kebinusan> Also, I had a similar problem in gusty and I cant find the way I fixed it but I dont get usplash or text during the boot process, just a black screen and fonts on my consoles (alt+f1) is missing I just have a blinking cursor
[08:34] <salty-horse> hi. the gworldclock applet has v's marked on "show weather" and "show temprature" but all I see is whitespace to the left of the time and date. should that feature work?
which is your graphic card?
[08:36] <kebinusan> nvidia 8600 gt
then it is known issue to be fixed.
[08:37] <Belisarivs> AFAIK
[08:38] <DanaG> I also have blank consoles if I use vesafb or nvidiafb OR savagefb.
[08:38] <Belisarivs> Your monitor goes to stand by during the boot and when is boot finished, it turns on.  OK?
[08:38] <DanaG> Oddly enough, try running cacafire on the blank console, and you'll get colors but no text.
[08:38] <DanaG> Run setupcon, and you'll get text back.
[08:38] <DanaG> "blinking cursor" implies "monitor on".
[08:39] <Belisarivs> ah
[08:39] <Belisarivs> mea culpa
[08:39] <Belisarivs> I read about something like that. So, I thought, that that's it.
[08:39] <kebinusan> yeah I mean after hitting enter a few times
[08:40] <kebinusan> I can login and run commands my typing isnt terrible
[08:40] <DanaG> I love having a 7200RPM notebook drive.
[08:41] <DanaG> I can get 20 to 40 megabytes per second, depending on position (start→end) of the drive.
[08:41] <kebinusan> I'll have to remember that setupcon thing DanaG, at least I'll be able to see what I type
[08:41] <DanaG> You have to setupcon every time you vt-switch.  It's annoying.
[08:42] <MFen> are there any known issues with encoding mp4a audio on hardy?
[08:42] <MFen> i can't get any tool to do it
[08:43] <Belisarivs> Then it doesn't have to be issue.
[08:43] <MFen> i have the gstreamer0.10-{bad,ugly}{,-multiverse}-plugins installed
[08:43] <Belisarivs> I'm quite sure mencoder can deal with it.
[08:43] <MFen> many many posts saying it works (on some indeterminate version of ubuntu), and many many saying it doesn't
[08:44] <MFen> i seem to be in the "doesn't" camp
[08:44] <MFen> well, do you know the options to use? i've tried mencoder and vlc
[08:44] <MFen> maybe i'm using it wrong
[08:44] <Belisarivs> BTW, why do you use mp4 when there is ogg. Your flash player doesn't support it?
[08:45] <MFen> what is this flash player you speak of?  i'm trying to use an ipod
[08:47] <Belisarivs> aha
[08:47] <Belisarivs> I try to avoid name "mp3 player"
[08:48] <Belisarivs> perhaps portable player is more accurate
[08:48] <MFen> sure
[08:48] <MFen> but this particular portable player only supports mp4 afaik
[08:48] <Belisarivs> Or mp3, but mp4 is imho better
[08:48] <MFen> i guess that's the "container format".  i don't know what codecs the container supports, nor whether or not the ipod supports any other codecs than mp4[va]
[08:49] <MFen> but mp4a is broken here, that's all i know
[08:49] <Belisarivs> I think, that faac is what you seek.
[08:49] <Belisarivs> mp4 is aac in mp4 container IMHO
[08:49] <MFen> Belisarivs: the mp4 container won't contain mp3, it seems
[08:50] <Belisarivs> I think so, too.
[08:50] <MFen> interesting. faac wasn't installed
[08:50] <MFen> installing it now.
[08:50] <Belisarivs> I think, that ipod supports mp3 as well.
[08:51] <MFen> they certainly do. but this is for ipod *video*
[08:51] <Belisarivs> faac is aac encoder and faad is decoder
[08:51] <Belisarivs> btw, these are cli
[08:51] <MFen> the video container has to contain some combination of compatible codecs
[08:51] <MFen> yeah, that's fine
[08:52] <DanaG> I would only ever consider buying an iPod Touch if I could find software to do following two things:
[08:52] <DanaG> 1.  Playback by folders! (iPod software uses tags)
[08:52] <DanaG> 2.  Ogg (Vorbis) support
[08:53] <DanaG> Oh, and FLAC too, but that's less critical for me.
[08:53] <[hardy]ogre> DanaG:  try rockbox firmware
[08:53] <DanaG> On iPod Touch? I don't think so.
[08:54] <DanaG> I already have my iAudio6 that does both of those; I'd just want a mobile internet thingy.
[08:54] <[hardy]ogre> ya notsure if they have anything for ipod touch yet
[08:54] <MFen> hmm
[08:54] <MFen> i went with avidemux, which is able to use faac automatically it seems
[08:55] <MFen> and it looks like "Auto > IPOD" created a file with mp4v and mpga
[08:55] <MFen> that seems plausible. i'll try it on the ipod now.
[08:59] <jindal2> hey guys, i ant to upgrade from gutsy to latest hardy beta, is replacing gutsy to hardy in sources.list and update + dist-upgrade is the right way?
[08:59] <Belisarivs> :)
[09:00] <Belisarivs> NO!!!!!!!!
[09:00] <jindal2> then?
[09:00] <Belisarivs> sudo update-manager -d
[09:00] <Belisarivs> You could screw your system pretty much.
[09:00] <DanaG> !gksudo
[09:00] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[09:01] <jindal2> Belisarivs, are not both the same? :-)
I think so.
[09:01] <Belisarivs> gksudo is just graphical sudo
[09:02] <Belisarivs> at ubuntuguide.org they use both
[09:02] <jindal2> Belisarivs, i just don't like gui tools that much
[09:02] <musikgoat> anyone know if there is really 124 updates since the beta release?
[09:03] <musikgoat> i'm getting this listing of updates, but I try to Install Updates, and the update manager just hangs
Me too. Perhaps apt-get dist-upgrade wouldhelp, you too. But changing repos and doing apt-get upgrade could screw your system as some apps need to be removed, some need to be installed and so. Apt can't handle it that well.
try sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:04] <Belisarivs> Personally, I installed all updates minutes ago by synaptic.
[09:05] <musikgoat> Belisarivs: i'm waiting to see if update manager will follow my instructions to close, as its not responding to selecting the X
[09:06] <Belisarivs> try to kill it by xkill (as root), but not sure if it will not hang and lock pid and so preventing you form use of another updater
[09:06] <musikgoat> killed a gksu process and that fixed
[09:06] <Belisarivs> ok
[09:06] <musikgoat> testing upgrading though term
[09:07] <jindal2> Belisarivs, heh i don't hav update-manager installed :-)
Did Ipod play your files?
[09:07] <MFen> Belisarivs: now i'm having trouble finding a linux application that will actually transfer the damn thing
[09:08] <MFen> i've been using gpodder to put video podcasts onto the ipod, which works fine. but this isn't from a podcast, so gpodder can't do anything with it.
then install it.It is really suggested way of updating. Perhaps adept or so could work, too. I'm not sure. But it is necessary to handle dependencies better than apt-get can, therefore is suggeste update-manager, but Kubuntumay have own updater.
[09:09] <MFen> and gtkpod is just buggy
[09:09] <jindal2> Belisarivs, ohh yeah am on kubuntu .. wats it called here?
[09:09] <musikgoat> hmm, i found the reason,  oddly sudo was failing:
[09:09] <musikgoat> tim@Central:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get update
[09:09] <musikgoat> sudo: unable to resolve host Central
[09:10] <musikgoat> fixed hosts, and now its working,  but it hadn't even gotten to attempting to download the updates,  sudo failed
Problem is, that Apple isn't OS friendly. They just abuse BSD license and give nothing back. They often change transfer protocol to prevent reverse engineering and so.
[09:11] <MFen> yes, well, it was free
try to google for suggested way to upgrade. update-manager should work for you, too. It uses same repos and it si same distro IMO, anyway.
[09:11] <MFen> i happen to agree with you, i still want to use my ipod.
[09:11] <musikgoat> any one know what package the gnome clock is in? gnome-panel?
[09:12] <jindal2> Belisarivs, thanks :-)
[09:12] <jindal2> MFen, check if your ipod model is supported by gtkpod
I'd guess it some applets or so. Try to use apt-cache and apt-file
np
[09:12] <DanaG> !aptitude
[09:12] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[09:13] <MFen> jindal2: it is. gtkpod asks me which model my ipod is, and my model is in the list.  of course, it asks me this EVERY TIME IT STARTS, which is part of the reason i think it's buggy
[09:13] <Belisarivs> ubotu is not quite accurate. Also synaptic takes care about unused dependencies.
[09:14] <DanaG> aptitude does dist-upgrading better than 'apt-get', especially if you use the ncurses UI.
[09:14] <DanaG> Run 'aptitude' with no parameters to get that UI.
There is no other app to handle it? Try amarok. I think, that it offers management of ipod.
I'm not quite sure about dist-upgradehandling by aptitude.
[09:15] <flowOver> anyone have experience with mx revolution?
[09:15] <Belisarivs> It is great, I use it often, but if it could be used for dist upgrade I'm not sure.
[09:16] <musikgoat> I'm trying to file a bug report, can anyone help me identify if the new clock applet is in a particular package?
[09:16] <musikgoat> i searched with aptitude search clock and do not see it
[09:17] <jindal2> mebbe check out gnome-applets
[09:17] <musikgoat> i saw online it referred to as intlclock but that doesn't bring up anythign
[09:17] <rinaldi_> hi I upgraded yesterday, everything went fine except now my wireless card fails to work. I had it installed last time through ndiswrapper and nmapplet seemed to find it ok. Now the power light stays flashing. It finds my access point too. It just doesn't connect. Connection information comes up with no driver whereas before it was ndiswrapper before. Any ideas?
[09:17] <jindal2> or kicker-applets if using kde :-)
[09:17] <musikgoat> jindal2: thanks, i'll look at that, its gnome
[09:18] <DanaG> I think the original clock applet has changed; it's not a new package.
[09:18] <DanaG> Right-click on it and select Preferences.
[09:19] <chuy_max> I just installed 8.04 and started to get bugs since the installation, I don't know where to start :S, I've got two bugs with installer, and 1 with xorg/dpkg-reconfigure
[09:19] <musikgoat> DanaG: whats preferences going to get me?
[09:20] <DanaG> You can add locations and such.
[09:20] <musikgoat> DanaG: you didn't read my question, but thanks
[09:20] <MFen> amarok won't even acknowledge the existence of the ipod
[09:20] <MFen> it just keeps telling me to connect it
[09:20] <chuy_max> any help that gets me on the right track?
[09:20] <MFen> i think i need to update this post.. http://strongdynamic.blogspot.com/2007/07/reasons-why-some-podcast-players-suck.html
[09:21] <MFen> podcast players still suck 8 months later.
[09:21] <jindal2> rinaldi_ , your kernel upgraded i guess .. your previous kernel version and wifi card chipset?
[09:23] <musikgoat> seems that its indeed in the gnome-panel package,  so my bug report is correct
[09:24] <Lynoure> MFen: meanwhile you have busily contributed to the projects, I hope
[09:24] <rinaldi_> jindal2: um dunno the kernel but the chipset is marvell 88w8335 libertas. (netgear card)
[09:25] <chuy_max> uhm
[09:25] <rinaldi_> jindal2: could it be that hardy now supports the card so now there are conflicting drivers?
[09:25] <chuy_max> 4 bugs
[09:25] <MFen> Lynoure: i have my own open source apps to maintain.  you can't guilt me into contributing to projects that are stalled on the basics.  besides, which one? they're all fighting with each other.
[09:25] <chuy_max> what package should I file if I've got 2 bugs in the installer?
[09:26] <jindal2> rinaldi_, some of the wifi stack was re-written (atleast for my broadcom chipset bcm43xx)
[09:26] <jindal2> try to boot into the old kernel from grub
[09:27] <rinaldi_> jindal2: ok thanks
[09:27] <Lynoure> MFen: Not guilting anyone, just saying it is the best way to get results. I use Amarok myself, I can easily look at metadata and it's not too slow for me (downloads sometimes are, but not Amarok's fault), but I should maybe contribute some day to it too
[09:27] <MFen> it seems faster now than when i wrote that, but then i have a faster computer now
[09:28] <MFen> the interface is still confusing
[09:28] <MFen> and it doesn't do the one thing i need it for
[09:28] <MFen> ostensibly need it for
[09:28] <Lynoure> MFen: Which one thing?
[09:28] <MFen> recognize my ipod so i can transfer a file to it
[09:29] <Lynoure> oh, dunno about ipods, recognized my DAP fine. But I chose a linux-friendly one.
[09:29] <MFen> i've got at least 3 other apps on here which do that much, at least
[09:30] <Lynoure> If your ipod mounts, and has a directory where podcasts can be put, easy enough to tell Amarok the mount point
[09:30] <Lynoure> But, good luck with the search.
[09:32] <MFen> well, it's not a filesystem interface
[09:32] <MFen> it's got some whacky database on it
[09:32] <MFen> so it needs applications which understand that database format
[09:32] <MFen> i guess amarok doesn't
[09:33] <Lynoure> Apple probably meant it to be hard, higher cost of changing
[09:33] <Lynoure> My Vibez also uses a database, but it builds it itself
[09:33] <MFen> very, very few companies actually "mean it to be hard"
[09:33] <Lynoure> so one can just drop files in.
[09:33] <MFen> i work for a software company. we do things the easiest way possible. it's not always the way everyone else wants it to be done
[09:34] <Lynoure> MFen: not hard in general, hard without their products. There is a strong business benefit to forcing people to use iTunes
[09:34] <MFen> that said, apple consistently chooses user interface over development ease, every single time
[09:34] <MFen> that's their bread and butter, so you can't blame them, but it's frustrating. they need to find a happier medium.
[09:35] <MFen> Lynoure: sure, but that's not why it is the way it is
[09:35] <rinaldi1> jindal2: no the old kernel doesn't let it work either
[09:35] <MFen> it is the way it is because that was what they needed to get their features onto the device
[09:35] <MFen> not because of some artificial goal of screwing others
[09:35] <Lynoure> MFen: I just think "best used with iTunes" was one such feature.
[09:35] <MFen> and i say that as someone who is currently being screwed by it
[09:36] <Lynoure> MFen: :)
[09:37] <MFen> in any case, itunes is free and already compiles on unix and non-mac os.  why not port it to linux if "best used with itunes" is the primary goal?
[09:37] <MFen> feh.
[09:38] <Lynoure> MFen: too expensive for such reasonably small group of users, I bet
[09:38]  * DanaG dislikes how Apple goes "above and beyond" in their efforts to lock out some things.
[09:38] <DanaG> Including the allegedly-deliberate bricking.
[09:38] <DanaG> And the iTunes7 breaking DAAP.
[09:38] <Lynoure> MFen: seems you look at it from sw point of view and I look at it from the business point of view. Most Linux users like things free... they are not the ideal Buy-it-from-iTunes crowd and a small crowd at that.
[09:39]  * DanaG uses file-based browsing -- Amarok does it, QuodLibet does it, and Exaile does it.  Oh, and Cowon's audio devices do it.
[09:42] <MFen> Lynoure: i'm not sure your business analysis is correct, although apple may perceive it that way
[09:42] <MFen> Lynoure: one or two of the guys on my team could probably port it in a month, 3 tops.
[09:43] <MFen> they only have to sell 25k songs to make that back. what is that, a day's worth of purchasing?
[09:43] <Lynoure> MFen: Make them an offer?
[09:43] <MFen> i should. i'll talk my boss into it
[09:46] <Belisarivs> I'm back. So, anybody who could help me to solve problem with iwl3945 or do some tests to provide them to launchpad bugreport?
[09:47] <sebner> Belisarivs: ?? iwl3945? what problem?
[09:49] <MFen> hmm, i think gtkpod-aac may be what i need
I have no blue light (it is turned on) and cannot connect to wifi network.
[09:50] <Belisarivs> It does detects wireless networks however. Iwconfig displays device wlan0 and its MAC address.
[09:50] <sebner> Belisarivs: I have the same problem. but only since the latest avahi update
[09:50] <Belisarivs> hm
[09:51] <MFen> yeah, gtkpod-aac ft
[09:51] <MFen> gtw
[09:51] <Belisarivs> so it might ba caused by avahi?
[09:51] <MFen> ftw
[09:51] <sebner> Belisarivs: dunno. have you had problems before the update?
[09:52] <MFen> dammit
[09:52] <MFen> video transferred, and no sound
[09:52] <MFen> so the ipod does not grok mp4{mp4v + mpga}
[09:52] <MFen> i guess no mpga codec
Which update do you mean? That today?
[09:52] <pwnguin> ok, so i just noticed hald-addon-input suddenly leaped to 100percent cpu
[09:53] <MFen> maybe vlc will use faac now that it's installed
[09:53] <Belisarivs> I upgraded from gutsy few days ago and in Gutsy it worked OK with ipw3945
[09:53] <sebner> Belisarivs: hmm yes. I recieved some avahi updates. And I think all the other updates haven't anything todo with wlan
So it worked for you before? Interesting.
[09:54] <slytherin> anyone using dual boot with os x on a powerpc machine here?
[09:54] <sebner> Belisarivs: yep
[09:54] <Belisarivs> That is weird. For me it ceased to work just after upgrade via "sudo update-manager -d".
[09:55] <sebner> Belisarivs: strange. and what did you say about a bugreport?
[09:55] <Belisarivs> But after update I was still using ipw3945. But I found howto to migrate to iwl.
[09:55] <pwnguin> is ipw3945 even in hardy?
[09:55] <pwnguin> i think its iwl or bust
[09:56] <sebner> it should be in the kernel
[09:56] <Belisarivs> no, it isn't. There are just firmwares.
[09:57] <Belisarivs> try "apt-file search ipw3945"
[09:57] <sebner> Belisarivs: damn
[09:57] <Belisarivs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy?highlight=(WifiDocs%2FDriver)
About that bugreport, I wanted to find some relevant data to make it usefull.
[09:58] <slytherin> Does anyone know hoa can I find group name from group id?
[09:58] <sebner> Belisarivs: well it seems that we doesn't have the same problem
[09:58] <Belisarivs> hm
[09:58] <MFen> success!
[09:59] <MFen> needed faac, faad, avidemux, and gtkpod-aac
[09:59] <pwnguin> slytherin: /etc/groups?
So, you use ipw3945?
[09:59] <Belisarivs> not iwl3945?
[09:59] <pwnguin> is there a reason not to use iwl3945?
[09:59] <sebner> Belisarivs: iwl
[09:59] <MFen> also 8 CUBIC METERS OF PURE LIQUID HATE
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[09:59] <slytherin> pwnguin: the group I am looking for is not there.
Hm, what problem do you have, then?
[10:00] <pwnguin> then the mapping doesnt exist
[10:00] <sebner> Belisarivs: the same as you. I can't connect to my wlan
[10:01] <Belisarivs> exellent. Damn it.
[10:01] <pwnguin> a number of people have reported that iwl isn't working for them
[10:01] <pwnguin> i can gleefully report its working fine with MY wpa2
[10:01] <sebner> Belisarivs: :(
no blue light?
[10:02] <sebner> Belisarivs: orange. but it's also when I turn it off ^^
[10:02] <Belisarivs> Or whetever colour your indicator has
[10:02] <sebner> Belisarivs: damn it
[10:03] <jessica> i need help with my wirless
[10:05] <jessica> i have the Realtek RTL8187B and im using nidswrapper with it
So when you turn your wifi on or off, indicator doesn't glow?
[10:05] <jessica> it picks up the networks just it wont connect to them
[10:05] <jessica> i know i have the network key correct
[10:06] <rinaldi1> jessica: i have the same problem as you but with a netgear. Did you upgrade?
[10:06] <Gnea> jessica: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=709802
[10:06] <jessica> i upgeded to hardy yesterday and i upgraded my hal
[10:06] <marko-_-> does someone know why sound doesn't work ? the card is listed in lspci
[10:06] <Gnea> jessica: it's a known issue with the .inf
[10:07] <slytherin> marko-_-: which card?
[10:07] <jessica> yes i have modified the inf file
[10:07] <marko-_-> slytherin, Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[10:07] <slytherin> marko-_-: What is the error?
[10:08] <Gnea> jessica: did you rebuild the ndiswrapper to include it?
[10:08] <marko-_-> slytherin, you know the icon for sound in the upper right corner... it's crossed with an X and when i want to configure it or someting i get this error "The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured."
[10:08] <jessica> yes
[10:08] <e-r-c-e> hello! i was upgrading to edubuntu hardy and now my resolution was gone, so i enabled fglrx. next, x show VERY bad resolution, so in console i uninstalled it... and now, my X doesn't start!?!?!?!?! HELP!!!
[10:09] <slytherin> marko-_-: ahh, I had seen that error some days ago. When was the last time you updated the system?
[10:09] <jessica> my ndiswrapper includes the modified inf file
[10:09] <e-r-c-e> i uninstalled fglrx**
[10:09] <marko-_-> slytherin, few minutes ago
[10:09] <Gnea> does it work without encryption?
[10:09] <marko-_-> should i restart the box ?
[10:09] <jessica> and erce boot up in fail safe and type startx and tell us the error
[10:09] <slytherin> marko-_-: any chance you are using us.archive.ubuntu.com mirror?
[10:09] <marko-_-> hm i must check
[10:09] <nomentero> I use latest hardy beta after upgrade via "sudo update-manager -d". I monitoring costant trafic on port 2979 tcp since that upgrade....is a normal insue during beta phase
[10:10] <slytherin> e-r-c-e: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:10] <e-r-c-e> jessica: i already did. cuz i uninstalled fglrx in console, my X says no displays were found
[10:10] <marko-_-> slytherin, where can i check what i'm using ?
[10:10] <jessica> o ok follow what erce says then
[10:11] <slytherin> marko-_-: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:12] <marko-_-> slytherin, i'm using this http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:12] <jessica> how will my i get my wireless working i have tryed most of what people say on forums
[10:12] <e-r-c-e> jessica: is your wireless card supported on ubuntu?
[10:12] <e-r-c-e> and do you have m$ drivers  for it?
[10:12] <slytherin> marko-_-: Ok. Try restarting the machine. The device nides for your sound card should get created at next bootup. If it doesn't file a bug.
[10:13] <jessica> no the wireless card dose not have drivers in the kernal
[10:13] <marko-_-> 'file a bug' what do you mean by that ?
[10:13] <jessica> i asked on the developers channel and they said it wont be supported for a while
[10:13] <slytherin> marko-_-: launchpad.net is the site where you can report a bug
[10:13] <marko-_-> ah ok
[10:13] <marko-_-> i'm restarting the machine then
[10:13] <marko-_-> brb
[10:13]  * Gnea decides to continue going unnoticed
[10:14] <e-r-c-e> jessica: not in kernel, on CD (drivers for m$ windows)
[10:15] <jessica> no its not
[10:15] <Gnea> jessica: it could be a problem with the way it's trying to translate the keys - if you can get it to get an IP and ping without any encryption then you'll at least know where the real problem is at.
[10:15] <jessica> ubuntu dose not support my card at all
[10:15] <e-r-c-e> you don't have any cd?
[10:15] <e-r-c-e> in the box with wireless card?
[10:16] <jessica> no my card is in built in my laptop that was shipped with vista
[10:16] <jessica> i have a vista disk that has them
[10:16] <e-r-c-e> oh... try google for your model and wget them
[10:16] <marko-_-> slytherin, it didn't worked
[10:17] <e-r-c-e> :\
[10:17] <jessica> i have and it brings up loads of forums and ive been though what everyone has said and nothing worked
[10:17] <e-r-c-e> no, NO!!
[10:17] <jessica> and gnea i wasnt ignoring your help i researched it because i had no idea what to do
[10:17] <e-r-c-e> try search for "(model) driver"
[10:18] <slytherin> marko-_-: Before filing make sure that the archive you are using is up-to-date. Or you can simply try using archive.ubuntu.com, then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:18] <jessica> i have i have the right windows dirver it just dose not work
[10:18] <marko-_-> slytherin, how do i change the archive so that i don't have to one by one in the sources.list file ?
[10:18] <jessica> im thinking of just taking the encription of my network and seeing if it will work then
[10:18] <e-r-c-e> jessica: so your wireless card doesn't work at vista even?
[10:19] <jessica> no vista it will work it
[10:19] <jessica> but i hate vista
[10:19] <jessica> like really hate it
[10:19] <IndyGunFreak> jessica: what card is it again?
[10:19] <e-r-c-e> jes, we all
[10:19] <jessica> my card is the realtek RTL8187B
[10:19] <TheInfinity> i also have probs with my wireless adapter - atheros 802.11 a/b/g/n :)
[10:19] <e-r-c-e> try google "drivers for realtek rtl8187b"
[10:19] <slytherin> marko-_-: I don't know that part. :-)
[10:19] <marko-_-> heh ok:)
[10:20] <TheInfinity> again compiling svn sources like in gutsy? :/
[10:20] <e-r-c-e> TheInfinity: for what?
[10:20] <rinaldi1> yep my ndiswrapper doesn'nt work here either
[10:20] <TheInfinity> atheros 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless adapter
[10:20] <e-r-c-e> XD
[10:21] <e-r-c-e> usb, right?
[10:21] <jessica> im having really big problems
[10:22] <IndyGunFreak> jessica: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[10:22] <marko-_-> ok slytherin i changed it and then i updated it... what now ?
[10:22] <jin> when closing an application, I think that application should also kill all the process that it has created.
[10:22] <jessica> sorry erce i carnt reply i havnt registerd with freenode yet
[10:22] <jin> but it seems dvd::rip doesn't do that
[10:22] <e_r_c_e> oh
[10:22] <e_r_c_e> :D
[10:22] <jessica> and thanks indygunfreak ill take a look
[10:22] <jin> when closing dvd::rip, I end up with lots of processes in the background
[10:22] <slytherin> marko-_-: Are there any upgrades available? Did you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:23] <marko-_-> yea i did
[10:23] <marko-_-> upgrades no
[10:23] <marko-_-> but updates were
[10:23] <Gnea> jessica: what's this linux driver here? http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=1&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#1432
[10:23] <slytherin> marko-_-: what do you mean?
[10:24] <jessica> ive tryed it it dosnt work
[10:24] <e_r_c_e> he did apt-get update
[10:24] <Gnea> ok
[10:24] <e_r_c_e> & apt-get upgrade
[10:24] <marko-_-> when i changed the server... i did sudo apt-get update and i updated someting but when i do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade nothing happened
[10:24] <marko-_-> should i go and boot with kernel 11 ? i'm reading that there is sound
[10:24] <Gnea> *headdesk* would help if i actually scrolled to the bottom of the page...
[10:24] <slytherin> marko-_-: Ok. So now you should file a bug. :-)
[10:25] <marko-_-> heh
[10:25] <marko-_-> what's the site again ?
[10:25] <slytherin> marko-_-: launchpad.net
[10:25] <marko-_-> ok
[10:26] <nomentero> I use latest hardy beta after upgrade via "sudo update-manager -d". I monitoring costant trafic on port 2979 tcp since that upgrade....is a normal insue during beta phase???
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> jessica: so you haven't got driver's CD?
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> ...
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> complicated
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> my howto is for cards with driver's CD
[10:26] <e_r_c_e> :|
[10:27] <e_r_c_e> sorry i cant help ya........
[10:27]  * e_r_c_e wants some choco
[10:27] <e_r_c_e> :D
[10:27] <jessica> no i dont have a cd with drivers
[10:28] <jessica> its one toshiba made with vista and the drivers as well
[10:28] <jessica> but i have to install vista to get the drivers which i dont want to do
[10:28] <IndyGunFreak> jessica: that link i gave you has a link to the win98 drivers, which apparently work better
[10:28] <e_r_c_e> then, try phone your seller and ask for cd????? (i doubt this is good :/)
[10:28] <jessica> the drivers i can download from the realtek site
[10:28] <jessica> yes am using the windows 98 drivers
[10:28] <IndyGunFreak> ok
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> try to unpack them in ubuntu
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> jessica: try /join #driverz
[10:29] <jessica> i dont see why you want me to get the windows vista drivers for it
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> jessica: try /join #driverz
[10:29] <e_r_c_e> =)
[10:30] <Gnea> e_r_c_e: yes, why? it requires the win98 version.
[10:30] <e_r_c_e> there we'll have nice talk :D
[10:30] <J-_> Is there a way to rename my sftp folder do a different name rather just <sftp on IP>
[10:30] <J-_> s/do/to
[10:30] <Gnea> ugh, need sleep
[10:30] <jessica> the older driver is more stable
[10:32] <Belisarivs> Hi. Just wanted to tell you, that mi iwl3945 works.
[10:33] <Belisarivs> -mi +my
[10:34] <jessica> i need my wireless working
[10:34]  * DanaG wonders if ndiswrapper'd Windows drivers would work any better than iwl3945.
[10:34] <Belisarivs> However, Hardy could use diff for apt-get update
[10:34] <jessica> i know i keep sayin this but its quite important
[10:34] <DanaG> iwl3945 is annoying.
[10:34] <e_r_c_e> jessica: #DRIVERS !!!!!
[10:34] <jessica> ok
[10:34] <e_r_c_e> :D
why?
[10:35] <DanaG> For a while, it had a bug where suspending and then resuming with wifi hotkey off (killswitch "on") would cause an oops.
[10:35] <DanaG> Sometimes that'll still happen.
iwl3945 or ipw3945?
[10:36] <DanaG> Or networkmanager (and even iwlist) will stop showing new access points.  If i try to unload the driver, modprobe will hang, become unkillable, and eat CPU like crazy.
[10:36] <DanaG> iwl3945.
[10:36] <enyc> ok im confused....  iso images of hardy beta are on  releeases.ubuntu.com but not cdimage.ubuntu.com  -- whats that about?
[10:36] <_Shade_> hi there
Hm, so it isn't better than ipw3945?
[10:37] <DanaG> Not for me, that's for sure.
[10:37] <_Shade_> i have just installed kubuntu-kde4 beta image and - to my suprise - all i got is kde3
[10:37] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[10:45] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3?
[10:45] <Festor> I am in the beta of Hardy now
[10:45] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:56] <amerio> hey guys
[10:57] <amerio> I've updated from gutsy to hardy last night and sound stopped working , though my card is detected
[10:57] <amerio> its SB Live EMU10k1
[10:58] <Festor> Is there anyone ...?
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> man, the default wallpapers for Hardy are horrible
[11:09] <IndyGunFreak> i'd rather have the crap brown ones from 7.10..lol
[11:09] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3?
[11:09] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[11:20] <vincen1> Allright, here comes a question: I'm unable to succesfully install new fonts under 8.04 BETA. I can install the fonts through 'sudo nautilus' and drag them to the fonts folder. I have also changed the permissions, so that ROOT can acces them. In 7.10, that worked fine. But now it doesn't. Does anybody have a clue?
[11:20] <vincen1> HI, by the way! :)
[11:21] <jin>  hi, any way to add multiple custom application menu?
[11:21] <DanaG> !gksu
[11:21] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[11:22] <rsk> hello im having massive problems with my computer hanging after the last reboot
[11:22] <rsk> i have to switch from tty1>tty7 where X is when i a) start gdm b) login to gnome
[11:22] <rsk> if i dont switch it just sit's there for an infinite ammount of time
[11:23] <rsk> and even when im in X i get completely random freezes
[11:23] <rsk> wich i have no idea about what's causing it
[11:24] <frandavid100> hiya
[11:24] <rsk> any pointers?
[11:24] <frandavid100> I've just read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[11:25] <frandavid100> do you know if newer hardy installs preserve existing /home directories indeed?
[11:26] <pwnguin> is /dev/snd/seq a midi device?
[11:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm I normally keep /home on its own partition.
[11:26] <Ergo^> guys, can anyone confirm that launching system monitor utilises 100% of a cpu ?
[11:27] <Ergo^> i have top running and xorg uses a fraction of time, when i lauch system monitor it uses 100% cpu
[11:27] <frandavid100> Dr_willis: yeah I do that too
[11:28] <frandavid100> I was just wondering if that's become unnecessary now
[11:28] <pwnguin> Ergo^: i cant dupe that
[11:28] <pwnguin> but it is graphing REALLY fast
[11:28] <fromport> ergo: if you have a very slow cpu that could be the case. mine uses between 20-40%
[11:28] <Johan-_> as an extra for UbiquityPreserveHome it would be cool if ubuntu could check what programs is already installed, remember that and then present that to the user
[11:28] <pwnguin> on a weaker CPU, that might be crushing
[11:28] <Ergo^> i have dual core intel 6400 ;-)
[11:28] <Ergo^> its quite fast :P
[11:28] <HardyOne> Ergo^, appears to be doing the same for me 100% cpu
[11:29] <Johan-_> giving the user an option to install all apps
[11:29] <pwnguin> Ergo^, HardyOne which video cards are you guys using?
[11:29] <frandavid100> That would be cool Johan-_
[11:29] <Ergo^> gf 8800gts
[11:29] <Ergo^> but it was fine in 7.10 for sure
[11:29] <Ergo^> ill check another pc with ati
[11:29] <Ergo^> 1 sec
[11:30] <HardyOne>  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[11:30] <pwnguin> ok, not much common there
[11:30] <pwnguin> which screen?
[11:30] <pwnguin> tab
[11:30] <pwnguin> which tab triggers the behavior?
[11:30] <Ergo^> pwnguin: even better , at the other pc there is evolution-data- process that uses 100%
[11:31] <HardyOne> pwnguin, wich tab? I dont understand
[11:31] <Ergo^> pwnguin: its the resources tab for me
[11:32] <HardyOne> oh yeah resources
[11:32] <Ergo^> now afrr restarting it uses 50%
[11:32] <pwnguin> here's a random question
[11:32] <pwnguin> uname -a
[11:32] <kjozsa> hi
[11:32] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, hardy is working awesome form e.
[11:33] <HardyOne> Linux idleone-laptop 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:33] <levander> There's no songbird package in hardy either?
[11:33] <Ergo^> Linux ergo-desktop 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:34] <HardyOne> dont get me wrong hardy is running awsome for me also but untill Ergo^ asked for a confirm on cpu usage....
[11:34] <Ergo^> heh, my pc is workih "fairly well" but my wife's pc is nightmare
[11:34]  * DanaG hates gnome-system-monitor.
[11:35] <pwnguin> ok, if you can manage it, go to edit-> preferences->resources
[11:35] <kjozsa>  I've upgraded to hardy beta today, my sound (emu10k1) has gone completely. modprobe also says cannot find its modules.. anyone experienced something similar?
[11:35] <IndyGunFreak> Ergo^, iv'e not booted my PC yet, just my laptop.. but the laptop has been a pain cuz of some of its newer hardware.. my PC is about 2-2.5yrs old, so I think it will be fine
[11:35] <pwnguin> what's the update interval set to?
[11:35] <DanaG> Here's what it does for me (and I have a fast CPU, though nvidia+compiz):
[11:35] <DanaG> slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH
[11:35] <DanaG> slideLURCH
[11:35] <DanaG> slideLURCH slideLURCH
[11:35] <kjozsa> also, double clicking the volume applet says No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[11:35] <Ergo^> 0.25
[11:35] <RAOF> DanaG: This is because the nvidia driver sucks.  Try it with nouveau :)
[11:35] <DanaG> sliiiiiiiideLURCH
[11:35] <pwnguin> if you set that to 2.00
[11:35] <pwnguin> does cpu usage drop?
[11:35] <Ergo^> changed it to 0.5 and there seems to be progess
[11:35] <Ergo^> well it dropped
[11:36] <IndyGunFreak> brb
[11:36] <Ergo^> now i have everything at about 25%
[11:36] <DanaG> Odd: with my firewire DVD burner, brasero hangs and gets a kernel error of some sort about being unable to "get performance"; yet, with the old burner app, it works fine.
[11:36] <HardyOne> no change here. still at 100% after changing from 1.00 to 2.00
[11:36] <Ergo^> pwnguin: you are associated with developement ? do i have to file a bug for that ?
[11:37] <pwnguin> im not strictly associated with development
[11:37] <Ergo^> HardyOne: do a top  and see what is taking cpu time
[11:37] <Ergo^> just asking to see if i have to file bugs on that
[11:37] <pwnguin> i bother developers from time to time though ;)
[11:37] <pwnguin> if you dont file a bug i doubt it'll be fixed
[11:38] <pwnguin> you've already found two important bugs, terrible performance and an overactive graph
[11:38] <HardyOne> Ergo^, setiathome is using 70%
[11:38] <Ergo^> well what is process "evolution-data-" ? on another pc i have its using 100%
[11:39] <Ergo^> its a low end 1.5ghz athlon machne but still it was fine before...
[11:39] <kjozsa> I need some alsa/modprobe help, please. modprobe says it cannot finds the snd_emu10k1 module while it clearly exists at /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/
[11:40] <kjozsa> the -386 kernel should be able to load modules from -generic, right?
[11:40] <Ergo^> launchpad is down ...
[11:40] <RAOF> kjozsa: No.
[11:40] <kjozsa> RAOF, it means I should use the -generic kernel and load it from grub instead of the default -386 one?
[11:41] <RAOF> kjozsa: -386 is not binary compatible with -generic (there are a bunch of interestingly different kernel options used)
[11:41] <RAOF> kjozsa: Yes, very much so.  Very, very few people should be using the -386 kernel at all anyway.  Most people only use it by mistake.
[11:41] <kjozsa> RAOF, upgrading to hardy beta made the -386 the default in my grub setup. should I change this to -generic then?
[11:41] <pwnguin> almost certainly
[11:42] <kjozsa> RAOF, also in that case, shall I file a bug report about getting -386 being the default kernel in grub after the upgrade?
[11:42] <pwnguin> if your system is 686 compatible, you should use it
[11:42] <kjozsa> pwnguin, intel core quad here
[11:42] <pwnguin> yea i think you can handle it
[11:42] <pwnguin> in fact
[11:42] <RAOF> pwnguin: Or, rather, if your system doesn't need one of the tiny number of drivers that isn't SMP-safe.
[11:42] <pwnguin> you're sorely missing out, heh. 386 is not smp enabled ;)
[11:43] <pwnguin> RAOF: i used to have a amd k6-2 500mhz
[11:43] <kjozsa> I really wonder how this could made it to the default then: Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.24-12-386
[11:43] <kjozsa> that made it to the top of my kernel list in grub
[11:43] <pwnguin> i had all kinds of fun after people in #gentoo told me it was 686 compatible
[11:43] <RAOF> pwnguin: Oh, does that not work with -generic?
[11:43] <kjozsa> that's clearly wrong then, aint it?
[11:43] <pwnguin> RAOF: it doesnt work at all anymore.
[11:43] <RAOF> Not even with -386?
[11:44] <pwnguin> RAOF: it died long ago
[11:44]  * DanaG likes 'htop'
[11:44] <pwnguin> but no, it doesnt run pentium pro instructions
[11:44] <RAOF> That's quite true :)
[11:44] <pwnguin> therefore is not 686
[11:44] <kjozsa> DanaG, too colourful for me :)
[11:44] <DanaG> It's pretty nifty-spiffy (I think I'm starting to overuse that word)/
[11:45] <pwnguin> unless the 686 kernel is merely optimized for advanced pipelines, but still uses 386 instructions, it would not run it even if it were not fried
[11:46] <HardyOne> how do I switch from -386 to generic?
[11:46] <pwnguin> install linux-image-generic
[11:51] <Pirate_Hunter> how can i access my apps menu without using a mouse and what are the commands to check current processes and kill them?
[11:52] <Rotlaus> Pirate_Hunter, Alt-F1 opens the menu
[11:52] <Pirate_Hunter> Rotlaus: thanx very much that has been bugging me for a while now what about the rest would you know?
[11:55] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[11:55] <rsk> halp me i stuck! ;(
[11:57] <elmargol> is there a kown bug in libthread_db? I try to connect to a wireless network and get 100% cpu from Networkmanager
[11:57] <elmargol> known
[11:57] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: ps lets you find programs... for example ps -Al | grep fire will find you firefox and give you  all relevant data.  kill $pid or killall firefox will close it
[11:58] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: also, theres a neat little app called xkill (you might need to install it, I don't know if it's installed by default).  just run it and click on a faulty  window to kill it.
[12:00] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: xkill used to change the mouse cursor to the skull-and-bones pirate-like thingy... you'd like it... but now it's just a regular cross :/
[12:00] <HardyOne> muszek, xkill is not in repos
[12:00] <Ergo^> it has to be.... just typed xkill and it worked
[12:00] <Ergo^> :P
[12:00] <Hobbsee> HardyOne: it's in x11-utils
[12:01] <muszek> muszek@bobek:~$ apt-cache search xkill
[12:01] <muszek> x11-utils - X11 utilities
[12:01] <HardyOne> yeah got it lol
[12:01] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: nice info but since im not using a mouse that will be a problem and its weekend so buying one will be hard especially thanx to good friday and monday being bank holiday :/ so now im doing everything either cli or using alt+f2 however i need to close a download manager but dont know how to do it through cli
[12:02] <HardyOne> Pirate_Hunter, I can send you a few if you like
[12:02] <seezer> if something goes wrong on gutsy->hardy upgrade, should that be reported as a adept_manager bug?
[12:02] <HardyOne> got 2 sitting right next to me here
[12:02] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: use the ps & kill(all) combo
[12:02] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: send what?
[12:02] <HardyOne> mouse
[12:02] <seezer> (it's probably kubuntu specific)
[12:03] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: wouldnt that just close every window and app ive got open, it may do the jb but will case a lot of hassle
[12:03] <Ergo^> heh... so far as i observe how 2 pc's act on fresh install of beta... hardy doesnt look good :(
[12:03] <HardyOne> killall will killall application
[12:04] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: thats sweet but nah ill buy one its my fault for leaving it this long and DIY my broken mouse, was being quite cheap but meh thats what i get for doing that
[12:04] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: no, it will only close that dnl manager... just do ps -Al | grep {some string that might be part of that dnl manager's process name}, for example ps -Al | grep kget
[12:04] <HardyOne> hehe
[12:04] <HardyOne> they are cheap enough anyhow
[12:04] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: will try
[12:05] <muszek> and then killall {process_name} or killall -s 9 {process_name} if the first one doesn't work
[12:05] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: I know, i know everyone says that but its cold and i was being lazy :(
[12:06] <HardyOne> ps aux will list all running processes fine the download manager and then kill pid#
[12:06] <HardyOne> fine=find
[12:06] <elmargol> synaptic shows me my update history is there a way to jump back to a old status? Or do I have to manually undo every update?
[12:07] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: do you know whats the download manager that epiphany uses, I thought it was gwget but it isnt
[12:08] <rsk> ok whoever replied to my thread, i just posted a reply
[12:09] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: just used px aux and i cant even scroll up with pageup :/ got any suggestion how i cna scrollup
[12:09] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: sorry, I don't know... in case it's some built-in thing, killing epiphany might help
[12:10] <drainman> why dont u use keybord mouse thing?
[12:10] <Pirate_Hunter> muszek: yeha thats what i also thought but its such a hassle and i have to design a template site by wednesday this 4 day weekend is getting better by the second
[12:10] <muszek> Pirate_Hunter: also, top lists all processes (ordered by CPU usage by default).  if it's something that gets ~100% of the CPU, you'll see it on the top
[12:11] <Pirate_Hunter> drainman: my keyboard is a standard one it only has the standard key and no other extra functions :(
[12:11] <drainman> Pirate_Hunter, but i think it works with a standard, its a app that moves the mouse with user defined keys
[12:12] <jin> I should not have upgraded my Feisty install to Hardy :(
[12:12] <CRaMLiNG> Hi, i think i found a... ehm.. bug(?) in the hardy heron beta
[12:12] <drainman> if u got hardy then its installed by default
[12:12] <HardyOne> Pirate_Hunter, ctrl+shift+arrow up
[12:12] <pwnguin> or try ps aux | less
[12:12] <bjwebb> hi
[12:12] <Ergo^> http://www.playwielkanoc.pl/ - rotfl
[12:12] <jin> how to NOT use puleaudio?
[12:12] <pwnguin> (q to quit)
[12:12] <jin> puleseaudio
[12:13] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: that wont work in terminal but thanx
[12:13] <Skiessi> jin why not pulseaudio?
[12:13] <Ergo^> jin: so far audio works fine for me
[12:13] <pwnguin> Pirate_Hunter: "ps aux | less" should work on your term
[12:13] <HardyOne> Pirate_Hunter, it works for me in terminal
[12:13] <jin> Skiessi: when I maximize a window, I get a weird sound effect
[12:13] <Ergo^> apart non working volume control (but that was in notes )
[12:14] <Pirate_Hunter> HardyOne: its control+shift+pageup on my system
[12:14] <HardyOne> ok
[12:14] <Pirate_Hunter> pwnguin: hope so cause i had a lot of processes
[12:14] <HardyOne> whatever works :)
[12:14] <Skiessi> you  can set them eff
[12:14] <Skiessi> *off
[12:15] <bjwebb> why is pidgin 2.3.1 in hardy
[12:15] <bjwebb> when 2.4 has been released?
[12:15] <pwnguin> because nobody asked to update it?
[12:15] <Skiessi> !info pidgin
[12:16] <ubotu> pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.1-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 488 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[12:16] <CRaMLiNG> the live system doesn't start, i only get a prompt with (initramfs)
[12:17] <pwnguin> 2.3.1 was released on 12/7/07
[12:17] <jin> they should include 2.3.1 in hardy :(
[12:18] <pwnguin> they do
[12:18] <pwnguin> you want 2.4 :P
[12:18] <jin> pwnguin: got it wrong :D
[12:18] <bjwebb> what I really want is msn personal messages, but i don't think thats even in 2.4 :(
[12:18] <jin> yea, I meant 2.4
[12:18] <Skiessi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule maybe because 2.4 was released after FeatureFreeze
[12:19] <bjwebb> Skiessi: okies
[12:19] <Skiessi> or that debianimportfreeze
[12:19] <Skiessi> I think it will be included in 8.10
[12:19] <raw-bin>  Greets. Am currently throwing caution to the winds and trying an upgrade from gutsy -> hardy beta. Am facing "dhcdbd: symbol lookup error: dhcdbd: undefined symbol: dbus_watch_get_unix_fd". Any clues on this one ? This prevents network-manager from doing its thing
[12:19] <Skiessi> or some newer version
[12:20] <Skiessi> where you get that "dhcdbd: symbol lookup error: dhcdbd: undefined symbol: dbus_watch_get_unix_fd"
[12:20] <Skiessi> ?
[12:21] <raw-bin> Skiessi, I get that in syslog. network-manager seems to go haywire as a consequence : the tray applet flickers itself to death.
[12:22] <Johan-_> has anyone got netatalk with ssl to work in 8.04?
[12:22] <pwnguin> !info pidgin gutsy
[12:22] <raw-bin> I don't know if this is related but the gnome-settings-daemon fails to start as well. I'm basically reporting off of an emergency KDE session.
[12:23] <ubotu> pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4.1 (gutsy), package size 589 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[12:23] <HardyOne> need some quick html help. how do I center a bit of java script on the page?
[12:24] <raw-bin> While this is premature, has anyone sailed through an upgrade from gutsy to hardy beta ?
[12:25] <Pirate_Hunter> ive just started to realise how useful a mouse is after losing my one, my gosh surfing the net nowadays is so difficult, why couldnt they go back to the text version of it :D
[12:25] <pwnguin> i saw someone report a few days ago that it worked flawlessly
[12:25] <pwnguin> not exactly something that helps you though
[12:25] <rsk> i would like some more input if possible http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[12:25] <Johan-_> raw-bin: done one from 7.10 to alpha
[12:26] <raw-bin> pwnguin, Johan-_ : Interesting. Looks like I've gone and broken something fundamentally. I thought that my configs were messed up and so created a new user and tried gnome sessions but I get the same result : gnome-settings-daemon spawns out of control and the session eventually dies.
[12:27] <oxigen> i wonder why people still buying ati cards for using them on linux?
[12:27] <raw-bin> Am wondering if a clean install of hardy beta is worth trying ?
[12:27] <hmuller> raw-bin: I saw all kinds of problems with upgrades from Gutsy to Hardy in the channel yesterday.  If you run into problems download and install today's daily-live at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:28] <pwnguin> oxigen: becuause they promised 3d docs really hard
[12:28] <raw-bin> hmuller, that's an excellent suggestion. Thanks.
[12:28] <Johan-_> raw-bin: did an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 and it all worked great. Later I decided I wanted to run 32-bit so did a clean install of alpha6 and that works fine aswell
[12:28] <pwnguin> rsk: does it really take your computer 5 minutes to boot?
[12:28] <simonvc> Hey all, just installed 8.04 beta (saw it on slashdot) and installed the nvidia restricted drivers and its only offering me 640x480 as my max resolution. non-nvidia drivers work fine. Any suggestions?
[12:28] <Johan-_> raw-bin: I haven't had any problems but cant say you wount :)
[12:29] <raw-bin> Johan-_, agreed! :)
[12:30] <raw-bin> hmuller, was wondering if this channel is "archived" so I could read up on what people were facing ? Sorry am a bit of a noob with IRC.
[12:30] <hmuller> Johan-_:  I think an individuals hardware determines their success with upgrading from Gutsy to Beta.  I personally prefer to backup all personal stuff, install new, and restore.  Seems to present fewer problems.
[12:30] <pwnguin> raw-bin: it is
[12:30] <amerio> hey guys I've installed Hardy heron and sound doesnt work , any help?
[12:30] <hmuller> raw-bin:  I think they are at irclogs.ubuntu.com, but I'll have to check
[12:31] <oxigen> upgrading isnt tested enough on all possible custom configurations
[12:31] <Johan-_> hmuller: I have my /home on a different drive so if anythings breaks I can allways reinstall
[12:31] <Johan-_> hmuller: but If one person is able to upgrade it's proof it atleast works for some
[12:31] <oxigen> it's always better to make fresh install
[12:32] <bjwebb> yeah
[12:32]  * bjwebb had trouble reusing his home partition
[12:32] <rsk> pwnguin: no more like hm.. 1minute to boot+login
[12:33] <hmuller> raw-bin: I told you the truth, just navigate to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com and then to yesterday's date, and find #ubuntu+1
[12:34] <pwnguin> rsk: the timestamps are wierd
[12:36] <jin> any one knows where I can download uslab for Hardy?
[12:39] <jin> nvm
[12:40] <rsk> ok :)
[12:41] <raw-bin> hmuller, Yes, I got those. Many thanks!
[12:41] <jin> rsk: do you know here to get it?
[12:41] <raw-bin> I still seem to be the only bloke hitting these problems though!
[12:41] <rsk> get what jin ?
[12:42] <jin> slab
[12:42] <rsk> i't in the git kernel afaik
[12:43] <locomo> previously Brasero formatted my DVD+RW (and to wrong size) instead of Fast blanking erase (LOL?). well i trying this again, dunno about wrong size this time, but it still not fastblanking (CD-RW ok). operation should take < 20 seconds and i waiting for few minutes now
[12:43] <rsk> locomo: try k3b
[12:45] <locomo> well... "i have a problem with ubuntu", "try windows then"
[12:46] <rsk> ok sorry for opening my mouth
[12:49] <amerio> anyway just a noobish question , whats the different between apt-get and aptitude?
[12:49] <locomo> k3b have different options for format and erase BUT its called "erase CD-RW" and "format DVD-RW" or so.  However I only have DVD R/Ws. Is it possible/safe to put a CD ISO onto a DVD ?
[12:55] <yaccin> i installed it yesterday and it works, but i dont have sound or wlan
[12:57] <yaccin> (macbook)
[12:58] <bobbo> Which packages do you install to try out KDE4 on Hardy?
[13:00] <gregory> bobbo: maybe kde4?
[13:01] <jpatrick> bobbo: kde4-core
[13:01] <bobbo> gregory, jpatrick; thanks
[13:01] <jpatrick> bobbo: or kubuntu-desktop-kde4 or kubuntu-kde4-desktop...
[13:01] <davek> has anyone installed beta on a hard drive yet? does the installer work to find other distros on the PC?
[13:01] <bjwebb> davek: yeah, i installed
[13:01] <gregory> jpatrick: core is only the core, not many applications
[13:02] <bjwebb> it found my other kubuntu install as well as my windoze
[13:02] <jpatrick> gregory: I know :) but it's enough to try it out
[13:04] <b47619> What do you reccommend to edit partitions?
[13:04] <dr_evil> fucking Brasero :( Tried to use it for the first time, to burn an ISO image "An unknown error occured. Check your disc."
[13:04] <gregory> davek: i dont know exactly, the installer will find all partitions, not sure if it will parse the bootloader-config and check for strings like windows or ubuntu.. anyone else?
[13:04] <bjwebb> does apturl work with ff3 in hardy?
[13:04] <dr_evil> log shows: "stopped because of an error error = 0 message = "no message"
[13:04] <Dekans> dr_evil: wich image ?
[13:04] <dr_evil> a windows xp ISO image
[13:05] <dr_evil> but thats not really important
[13:05] <bjwebb> it knows apt: is a special link
[13:05] <Dekans> ah
[13:05] <bjwebb> but asks me what app to open them with :/
[13:05] <Dekans> because i didn't manage to burn correctly the kubuntu hardy beta amd64
[13:06] <dr_evil> wow, and now Brasero crashed
[13:06] <gregory> bjwebb: apturl is a program?
[13:06] <bjwebb> yeah
[13:06] <bjwebb> i know
[13:06] <bjwebb> but it shouldn't ask me what program
[13:06] <bjwebb> it should really know to use apturl
[13:06] <bjwebb> if you get what i mean
[13:07] <davek> thank gregory, I just wanted to make sure the beta installer works as well as the Gutsy installer.
[13:08] <gregory> davek: if you have enough resources (RAM), just setup a virtual machine and try beta in that secure environment
[13:09] <gregory> bjwebb: can you give me the url that you are trying to open?
[13:10] <davek> I never have used a virtual machine, how do i one up?
[13:10] <bjwebb> well, i was just wondering and was making my own urls
[13:10] <bjwebb> like
[13:10] <bjwebb> apt:test
[13:10] <gregory> davek: how much ram do you have?
[13:10] <bjwebb> or apt:inkscape
[13:10] <davek> 1.25 gb
[13:10] <bjwebb> which works fine know ive navigated to /usr/bin/apturl and told it to use that
[13:11] <bjwebb> but if you want to make apturl an easy way to install software
[13:11] <bjwebb> it needs to just work "out of the box"
[13:11] <davek> would I install vmware or something like that?
[13:11] <gregory> davek: 1.25 is really RAM (flushed if you shut down the computer) or is it harddisk memory?
[13:12] <gregory> davek: yes, f.e.
[13:12] <davek> 1.25 gb RAM is what is installed I have three hdds on this test box
[13:13] <gregory> davek: great, that should be enough ram for a vm
[13:13] <davek> I don't know what the hdd memory is. my third hdd is a 320gb Maxtor that is a brand new
[13:14] <davek> Do I install Vmware from Synaptic?
[13:14] <gregory> davek: you need to install qemulator or any other emulator. just search in package manager for "qemu" as search string
[13:14] <gregory> davek: vmware is closed source, but costs no money. i recommend using open source only.
[13:15] <yaccin> can anybody please help with wlan/sound?
[13:15] <gregory> bjwebb: i can confirm that it doesnt work from ff3
[13:15] <bjwebb> i think thats something that ought to be fixed for release
[13:16] <gregory> bjwebb: gnome knows how to open "apt" url, but ff3 seems to ignore gnome-registry (use gconf-editor to edit and view)
[13:16] <bjwebb> ah
[13:16] <gregory> bjwebb: yes, please file a bug, i already filed a similar for one of the multimedia protocols
[13:16] <bjwebb> oh
[13:17] <davek> I found qemu. Is that all I have to install. is it similar to Vmware
[13:17] <bjwebb> well, if its a firefox behaving badly problem
[13:17] <bjwebb> then isn't it the same bug?
[13:17] <gregory> davek: qemu is the core, you should install a frontend. try qemulator
[13:17] <yaccin> davek: its more complicated
[13:17] <jin> why is the package awn-extras not available in the repo? :(
[13:17] <Dekans> does someone have trouble with kdm in kubuntu hardy ??
[13:18] <gregory> bjwebb: basically yes, though i havent submitted in the past concerning all external url types
[13:18] <davek> I figure it would be complicated, I should read up on it. Thanks.
[13:19] <gregory> bjwebb: you could file a new "meta" bug, and refer to the others.
[13:19] <bjwebb> yeah
[13:20] <dpossner> hi, can someone help me with a network-problem?
[13:20] <gregory> davek: just try, you cannot brake anything because its all virtual
[13:21] <dpossner> i have these things: http://www.devolo.com/co_EN_cs/produkte/dlan/mldlanhsethernet.html
[13:21] <dpossner> and i can ping my router and also google, but i can not get websites to open in my browser
[13:22] <dpossner> i tried dhcp and also static, as well as the roaming mode, but nothing changes
[13:22] <dpossner> any ideas?
[13:22] <davek> I'll install qemu and qemulator and try it out . Once its installed I can install any OS into it?
[13:23] <gregory> davek: yes, you can create unlimited virtual machines. the max is the hd space on your hd in reality
[13:23] <gregory> gregory: unlimited number of
[13:24] <dpossner> anybody out there? it worked perfectly in gutsy, but seems to be broken in hardy
[13:25] <davek> I'll give it a try. Thank you.
[13:25] <ShackJack> Hi all - since upgrade Gutsy to Hardy, the gnome settings daemon will not start. I get a slightly broken desktop (which has desktop effects running), and when rebooting the X session breaks.  Any thoughts?
[13:26] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: killing a window manager won't really help you.  use metacity --replace &
[13:27] <dr_evil> Dekans the CD-R was still completely empty. I'm burning it again (in another computer, with Nero)
[13:28] <dpossner> no ideas? how can it be possible to ping google in a terminal but not get google.com to show up in a browser???
[13:28] <Curtman> I tried upgrading to Hardy beta from Gutsy, and now when I try to log in with Gnome it just hangs.  If I run 'strace gnome-session' it seems to be hanging while reading from the Gnome keyring socket.
[13:29] <dbmoodb> did you have pgp stuff setup ?
[13:29] <ShackJack> Thanks Hobbsee - alas trying to them start gnome-settings-daemon complains of X window system errors - does anyone know how to manually turn of desktop effects so it doesn't start on startup.. I can't find it in gconf anywhere
[13:30] <Curtman> dbmoodb: Me?  I've never set any up.  It does this even when I create a brand new account and try to log in.
[13:30] <dbmoodb> oh really ... interesting ... apt-get install kdm ? kde ?...
[13:30] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: (re)start g-s-d after metacity.
[13:30]  * dbmoodb wonders if that works
[13:30] <Curtman> dbmoodb: 282 packages to install for KDE.
[13:31] <dbmoodb> Hobbsee: how is the upgrading from alpha to beta doing ? apt-get update anything else ?
[13:31] <ShackJack> Hobbsee: I did - it complains of X windows issues - I can give you error message in a sec... I figured if I can have it *not* start desktop effects to begin with, that might smooth things over
[13:31] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: fine, afaik.  i installed beta 5, iirc
[13:31] <Hobbsee> then upgraded
[13:31] <dbmoodb> beta 5 ?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: can't you set that in appearances, last tab or so?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> er, alpha 5
[13:32] <dbmoodb> oh i was on alpha 6 before, compiz-fusion buggy ? -- what graphics card
[13:32] <ShackJack> Hobbsee: No - it won't "take" - evidentally because of the lack of gnome-settings-daemon... Didn't know how to manually set (via gconf or otherwsie)?
[13:32] <dbmoodb> so apt-get update, dist-upgrade all ?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> ShackJack: hmm
[13:33] <ShackJack> Bleh - metacity --relace && gnome-setting-daemon freezes desktop - should've run separately so I can see the error message...  Just wondeing if there have been other reports of this issue, as there's nothing exotic about my settup (I did see a big in the tracker)
[13:34] <ShackJack> Also my wireless won't find a network :P
[13:34] <dbmoodb> shackjack which wireless network card is it ? broadcom
[13:34] <dbmoodb> how is the state of the restricted drivers manager atm ?
[13:35] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: No - it's an intel I think - never have any problems, but whenever I upgrade to beta Ubuntu, I always seem to have that problem
[13:35] <ShackJack> Hobbsee: Restarting X it says the gnome-settings-daemon received an X Windows System Error. This probably reflects a bug in the program (duh!)
[13:35] <dbmoodb> ah i see yeah maybe change the setting in x.org --> to your  card instead of just intel
[13:36] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Worked a little spotty after the upgrade, now not at all...
[13:36] <dbmoodb> oh ..really
[13:37] <dbmoodb> so ... maybe i will get this bug - you are on the beta yeah ?
[13:38] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Yep - on the beta... I dunno I always seem to have better luck with "fresh" installs vs. an upgrade... I didn't fresh install as *supposedly* (according to fsck) I have a disk error on my data partition and I didn't want the installer check to hang on it...
[13:38] <Crusader_Tech> Hello all.  New Linux user, and I've been running 7.10 inside virtualbox on windows.  I just downloaded and installed 8.04 beta in it's own virtualbox, but I can't seem to pick a resolution higher than 800x600.  Any suggestions?
[13:38]  * ShackJack goes to get ISO for fresh install :)
[13:39] <dbmoodb> there is an beta iso ?
[13:39] <ShackJack> Oh yeah, for sure (at least there usually is)
[13:39]  * ShackJack looks on web
[13:40] <prutsert> Crusader_Tech: you should install the Vbox guest additions
[13:40] <dbmoodb> meh not on my   ftp server so no go atm
[13:40] <Crusader_Tech> prutsert: Thanks for the help.  Is that a seperate download on virtualbox.org?
[13:40] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta#head-8845f7d03a79ba22bbc3993ed0ffc8395651a9a0
[13:42] <ShackJack> I'm not equipped to deal with "exotic" gnome settings/X server problems and it'll be interesting to see if a fresh install solves those issues (though I part of me hopes it *doesn't*)
[13:42] <dbmoodb> ShackJack: the solution is hardly ever to install again
[13:43] <prutsert> I am m not around a box running Vbox, but if I remember correctly, you can choose to install the guestadditons when running the guest, and they will be downloaded automatically
[13:43] <noelferreira> cwillu, are you there?
[13:44] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Weeell... I dunno - with Windows sometimes it is :)  Some of the interactions just seem to get messed up with an upgrade for some reason... I mean if I'm experiencing this, why aren't scads of other people - there's nothing exotic about my setup to say the least...
[13:44] <dbmoodb> i will see what happens with my own setup, windows is special
[13:45] <savvas> Crusader_Tech & prutsert: they're not downloaded, it's an iso, virtualboxadditions.iso or something like that
[13:45] <savvas> it gets mounted and autoruns in windows guest systems
[13:45] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: "Special" - ya, that's what Windows is :)
[13:45] <hydrogen> dbmoodb: Unfortunatly, it is a lot easier most of the time to install again than to trace down both how xorg and gnome are designed and how ubuntu customizes these designs
[13:45] <dbmoodb> savvas: doesn't it depend on what version of windows it is ? lvista addons thing there is a
[13:45] <dbmoodb> bah curse my touchpad
[13:45] <ShackJack> hydrogen: True 'dat
[13:46] <savvas> dbmoodb: i think windows 2000 and up, i don't believe they support 98
[13:46] <ShackJack> hydrogen: Especially if you have a separate home partition :)
[13:46] <hydrogen> ShackJack: yep
[13:46] <dbmoodb> --- i do not believe there is a vista addons back...... in non -free ? i could be wrong (remembers using something... not sure what)
[13:47] <savvas> dbmoodb: what do you need?
[13:47] <ShackJack> hydrogen: dbmoodb: I may give a fresh install a try anyway - it'll be interesting to see if it fixes it (and my wireless issues)
[13:47] <dbmoodb> eh -- sorry i am being very vague and hard to follow
[13:47] <dbmoodb> ShackJack: dmesg ?....
[13:48] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Wait restarting - should I grep for anything in particular?
[13:48] <savvas> dbmoodb: i think i know, hm.. you need a windows xp to vista transformation pack? http://www.crystalxp.net/galerie/en.id.130.htm ?
[13:48] <Crusader_Tech> savvas: Thanks.  I'll check it out.
[13:48] <Silvercircle> hej, i search a deb packet from vmware-player. anybody knows ?
[13:48] <dominikpossner> come on. ubuntu community, are you already tired of networking problems? :-)
[13:48] <dbmoodb> yeah -- get firmware from blah
[13:48] <dbmoodb> that kind of thing
[13:48] <Hobbsee> dominikpossner: wfm.
[13:49] <savvas> dominikpossner: what problems?
[13:49] <prutsert> anyone have trouble with hal package when running updates after installing hardy?
[13:49] <dominikpossner> i explained it already, i can ping eg google but can not open google.com in a browser
[13:49] <dominikpossner> with this stuff: http://www.devolo.com/co_EN_cs/produkte/dlan/mldlanhsethernet.html
[13:49] <clusty> hey
[13:49] <dbmoodb> have you got the correct dns entered dominik ?
[13:50] <jf_> Where did the font Terminal go?
[13:50] <savvas> Silvercircle: try www.getdeb.net
[13:50] <clusty> was curios what FS would you recommend using for an external drive
[13:50] <[B00]> well heres fingers crossed if ubuntu runs like kubuntu i should be able to get it running on one of my desktops at last
[13:50] <dominikpossner> im currently using the roaming mode, so that should do it?
[13:50] <dbmoodb> ext3 ..... unless you want something faster
[13:50] <clusty> so far its ext3 but i always run into trouble mounting it form windows
[13:50] <dbmoodb> ah then perhaps ntfs
[13:50] <clusty> windows driver is ext2
[13:51] <clusty> and linux always thinks its screwed up
[13:51] <clusty> is ntfs support reliable?
[13:51] <ccharles`> When my laptop comes back from suspend, it emits about 6 rapid, high-pitched beeps sounding a little bit like a smoke detector. Then it shuts up, and everything seems fine. I do sometimes get a message in the notification area that it didn't suspend properly, but aside from the beeping it's working fine. Any thoughts?
[13:51] <dbmoodb> .... apparently the windows driver is ok but windows keeps wanting to fragment it or blah
[13:51] <Silvercircle> savvas, No results found for your search. (vmware) ;)
[13:51] <dominikpossner> what DNS should i enter, dbmoodb?
[13:51] <dbmoodb> the correct one for you
[13:52] <dominikpossner> ah :-)
[13:52] <dbmoodb> the one of your isp or your modem / router
[13:52] <dbmoodb> depending on your setup
[13:52] <clusty> dbmoodb, meaning?
[13:52] <dominikpossner> so, something like <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:52] <[B00]> omg yessssssssssssssss at last :)
[13:52] <ShackJack> dominikpossner: No - you need a domain name server - out on the internet (unless you have one running in your house)... Your ISP can provide or there are public ones: http://www.tech-faq.com/public-dns-servers.shtml
[13:53] <savvas> Silvercircle: then http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ - i think they have an ./install script included
[13:53] <dbmoodb> well you use the isps .... if you can ping you should be able to go there ...
[13:53] <dbmoodb> unless you are not on your own network and blah
[13:54] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: I can find anything in dmesg relating to my gnome setting daemon/X problem any thoughts of should I be grepping for something specific?
[13:54] <gregory> davek: /quit
[13:54] <Silvercircle> savvas, yes they have.. but it doesnt work. i get an error while creating the "vmware-module"  for my kernel
[13:54] <dbmoodb> -- nothing relating to x ? ... what about firmware try grep firmware
[13:54] <flipstar> klipper seems to be resetted on every login..anyone else ever had this ?
[13:55] <savvas> Silvercircle: sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[13:55] <savvas> Silvercircle: they might not work with hardy yet
[13:56] <[B00]> woooohooo finally ubuntu works on my desktop :)
[13:56] <ShackJack> dbmoodb: Nope (dmesg | grep X) nothing related to X, gnome, or firmware
[13:56] <dbmoodb> B00 and it did not before ?
[13:56] <[B00]> nope
[13:56] <dbmoodb> any reason why ?
[13:56] <[B00]> not sure thought it was the sata drives at first
[13:57] <[B00]> then i tried an ide and also a scsi
[13:57] <[B00]> tried loading in safe graphics mode cos of the ati card
[13:57] <dbmoodb> really...
[13:57] <Silvercircle> ok thank you savvas. maybe it works with the headers ;)
[13:57] <[B00]> however never had a prob installing ubuntu on a lappy they always worked lol
[13:58] <[B00]> current lappy is a dell d410
[13:58] <savvas> Silvercircle: if it doesn't work, get the gutsy package for virtualbox, www.virtualbox.org is another app for virtual machines
[13:58] <[B00]> so i am really happy i can get it to run on the desktop at last
[13:58] <[B00]> well one of my desktops :)
[13:59] <dbmoodb> a dell d410 should work nicelly
[13:59] <[B00]> and i tried all the gutsy installs 32 bit 64 bit text only lol
[13:59] <dbmoodb> d400 here :)
[14:00] <[B00]> yeah the d410 is great
[14:00] <Curtman> dbmoodb: Very strange.. I think I found the problem.  /dev/null was set to chmod 0660.  I changed it to 0666 and all seems well.
[14:00] <[B00]> i installed it on a d600 d610 d620 d630
[14:00] <dbmoodb> oh and ..... why ....
[14:00] <Silvercircle> savvas, i have virtualbox ;) but the xserver from the vmwareimage doesnt work with virtualbox... if vmwareplayer doesnt work with the headers i try to configure the xserver for virtualbox ;)
[14:01] <dbmoodb> wait why would that matter for starting up gnome and blah
[14:01] <savvas> Curtman: try chmod 0664 first, don't make your system more vulnerable :)
[14:01] <Pirate_Hunter> what kernel image does hardyheron use I want to test it in vbox
[14:01] <XiXaQ> are you people able to use apturls with firefox?
[14:01] <Curtman> savvas: Vulnerable by writing to /dev/null?
[14:01] <flipstar> Pirate_Hunter: 2.6.24-12
[14:02] <dbmoodb> Curtman: /dev/null ---> other places
[14:02] <Pirate_Hunter> flipstar: thanx
[14:02] <savvas> Curtman: woops, didn't see what was it, that's ok :P
[14:02] <dbmoodb> for example cat /dev/null /dev/XDSDsda (so no one tries it by accident)
[14:02] <Curtman> savvas: Every box I've ever seen has /dev/null with world writable perms.
[14:03] <dbmoodb> yeah but owned by who Curtman ?
[14:03] <savvas> Curtman: i know, my mistake
[14:03] <Curtman> savvas: Yeah, it seems dbmoodb is attempting to convince me otherwise though.
[14:04] <dbmoodb> no i'm not - just wanting to know what it normally is - i don't pay enough attention to it
[14:04] <savvas> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-03-21 13:50 /dev/null
[14:04] <savvas> :)
[14:04] <cwillu> noelferreira, ping
[14:05] <dominikpossner> dbmoodb, thank you a thousand times, now it's working
[14:05] <napsy_> what's wrong with hardy beta? the system becomes all shugish after a while.
[14:05] <regel> nothing's wrong with hardy
[14:05] <dbmoodb> napsy_: its not optimised at all so ...yeah
[14:05] <regel> more stable than gutsy ever was for me
[14:05] <regel> :)
[14:06] <napsy_> well it was fine before the updates two days before
[14:06] <[B00]> deffo works better thsn gutsy at least i caninstall it lol
[14:06] <napsy_> but now ... desktop gets laggy and I have to restart x
[14:07] <noelferreira> n
[14:08] <b47619> I have no /etc/config/gnome and also whenever I try to login to a normal session the xserver restarts (system stops outputting video and dumps me back at login)  I also have 2 sound cards and 2 network cards 1 onboard of each (built in to mainboard) and also an add-on card for each if that could be a cause this issue is only present in 8.04 alpha and beta onboard ATI card restricted driver for it causes more issues...
[14:08] <b47619> should I us ethe alternate install cd?
[14:08] <savvas> hm... crw-rw-rw- what does that c mean?
[14:09] <[B00]> b47619 if you are not using onboard they should be disabled
[14:09] <[B00]> via the bios so you dont get conflicts
[14:09] <dbmoodb> lovely gdm segfaults as i'm updating
[14:09] <b47619> I switch between the onboard and add-on...
[14:10] <b47619> ubuntu doesn't like the add-on
[14:10] <[B00]> you should use one or the other not both
[14:10] <dbmoodb> -- wifi ?
[14:10] <b47619> ok...
[14:10] <[B00]> try disabling the onboard and see what happens
[14:10] <b47619> the one is a creative audi pci...
[14:11] <b47619> doesn't work in ubuntu...
[14:11] <dbmoodb> beta ?
[14:11] <[B00]> i know i had probs with ethernet with onboard so i disabled it and shoved in a pci one worked fine
[14:11] <b47619> works fine in the final release of 7.04 and 7.10
[14:12] <b47619> i wonder if I can disable the onboard card...
[14:12] <dbmoodb> oh ah might be using firmware from elsewhere -- the restricted driver manager is being weird atm (i'm not update with it and all tho)
[14:12] <b47619> ubuntu doesn't even seem to find the add-on
[14:12] <[B00]> its easy normally found in the bios under advanced and onboard
[14:13] <b47619> audio card it is a Creative Audio PCI card from a computer made in 2000 on a computer from 2005 same qwith network card...
[14:13] <[B00]> could be because you got both enabled so they are conflicting
[14:13] <[B00]> i have a 5.1 live
[14:13] <[B00]> in the other pc works fine
[14:14] <b47619> probably...
[14:14] <[B00]> and that is old
[14:14] <b47619> now to disable the add-on with out removing it...
[14:14] <[B00]> you cant
[14:14] <b47619> better just remove it...
[14:14] <[B00]> yus
[14:14] <b47619> Though it has worked fine with 7.04 and 7.10?
[14:15] <[B00]> disable the onboard and leave the add on
[14:15] <b47619> ok
[14:15] <[B00]> see if it works fully
[14:15] <b47619> I will try to get the creative card to work in ubuntu...
[14:15] <[B00]> creative will work fine m8
[14:15] <b47619> ok must be a conflict then...
[14:15] <b47619> it is an ols card...
[14:16] <b47619> old
[14:16] <Infecto> hello
[14:16] <[B00]> well ya do have 2 different types of soundcard running lol
[14:16] <[B00]> hi
[14:16] <b47619> true...
[14:16] <Infecto>  i just install fres 8.04 alpha
[14:16] <b47619> Hello what is your issue?
[14:16] <Infecto> and :) i see only 3g of ram
[14:16] <Infecto> but i have 4g
[14:16] <[B00]> did you get the 64 bit version?
[14:16] <Infecto> do i need to recompile kernel?
[14:16] <b47619> do you have a built in video card?
[14:16] <Infecto> [B00]: no i dont
[14:17] <b47619> ok
[14:17] <Infecto> b47619: no i have nv 8600
[14:17] <Infecto> its not buiilt in
[14:17] <b47619> ok
[14:17] <bjwebb> i can no longer add new users :/
[14:17] <Curtman> savvas: Any idea what package I could reinstall or reconfigure to reset all permission in /dev?  It seems lots of stuff is screwed up in there for some reason.
[14:17] <dr_evil> without PAE you won't see the full 4 GB
[14:17] <theunixgeek> I got the beta and now during usplash startup the little loading bar keeps bobbing back and forth instead of progressing like usual. Then a BusyBox thing pops up. What do I do?
[14:17] <[B00]> well my 4 gig shows up fine using the 64 bit version but do you have a 64 bit processor.......... sorry should have asked that
[14:17] <dr_evil> with 32 bit that is
[14:18] <Infecto> dr_evil: yes i read it, i havrt t9300 core duo 2
[14:18] <Infecto> i have
[14:18] <b47619> sounds like a corrupted file system or corrupte dinstall if you only get a busybox shell...
[14:18] <[B00]> you need the 64 bit m8
[14:18] <Infecto> hmm
[14:18] <Infecto> just install kernel or reinstall all system?
[14:18] <dr_evil> the PCI cards need some memory ranges in the 4GB space, thus not the full 4GB RAM are useable
[14:18] <b47619> theunix geek read above
[14:18] <theunixgeek> Infecto: system
[14:18] <bjwebb> user settings is broke :S
[14:18] <Infecto> hmm
[14:19] <theunixgeek> should I try booting with kernel 2.6.24-12-generic instead of  -386?
[14:19] <dr_evil> PAE isn't relyable on most consumer boards, i don't know if it is included in any kernel by default
[14:19] <theunixgeek> yay it's going! :D
[14:20] <theunixgeek> I decided to boot with kernel 2.6.24-12-generic.
[14:20] <theunixgeek> Oooh I like the new xubuntu login screen
[14:20] <[B00]> theunixgeek me too :)
[14:21] <Infecto> so dl new iso 64bit and reinstall it yes?
[14:21] <Infecto> but what will be better if i have 32bit cpu
[14:21] <Infecto> i dont lose anything?
[14:22] <savvas> Curtman: well.. I could give you my list and you compare with a diff file1 file2 ?
[14:22] <Infecto> i mean speed
[14:23] <[B00]> should improve
[14:23] <Curtman> savvas: Sure.  I wish I knew what happened to it.  It was fine before the Hardy dist-upgrade.
[14:23] <[B00]> its runnning pretty fast on my amd xp 64 bit 4200 with 4 gig
[14:23] <Infecto> ok
[14:23] <Infecto> thanks a loot
[14:23] <[B00]> no prob
[14:24] <[B00]> but i am still a linux noob most guys here should be able to help you more :)
[14:29] <b47619> disabled the onboard and the live cd still win't boot... the same thing happens on live cd and on the install... so I though I would try the live cd...
[14:30] <[B00]> what happens when you try the live cd? blank screen?
[14:30] <savvas> Curtman: ls -l1 /dev/ at http://pastebin.ca/raw/952747
[14:31] <b47619> no same tthing xserver restarts
[14:31] <[B00]> try taking out the pci sound card and enabling the onboard see if that works?
[14:31] <b47619> everytime or almost everytime I turn on my computer I get this weird distorted image i have hit the computer a few times to stop this buzzing sound that usb devices sometimes make though... that was a while ago and now the issue is becoming more frequent...
[14:31] <Curtman> savvas: Strange.. Mine is very different. http://curtman.mine.nu:8080/~curtis/devlist.txt
[14:32] <[B00]> b47619 i just got it running on my desktop where 7.10 would not work
[14:32] <b47619> .i think it is the video card...  is fine
[14:33] <[B00]> what vid card?
[14:33] <b47619> hold on xchat-gnome ran into an error
[14:35] <sayers> Hello. I can't seem to get java to work properly , .jnlp extended files do not wokr.
[14:35] <savvas> Curtman: try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall base-files udev
[14:36] <thompa> i got this usb device but wont mount anymore Bus 002 Device 005: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[14:37] <thompa> only device i have is cdrom
[14:38] <savvas> Curtman: if that doesn't work, I've never done the next command, but it could work: sudo dpkg-reconfigure udev
[14:39] <Curtman> savvas: I tried that one already.. Trying the reinstall now.
[14:39] <noelferreira> cwillu, are you there?
[14:40] <thompa> savvas: that might work for me too come to think of it
[14:41] <thompa> anybody having usb device problems?
[14:41] <savvas> thompa: well.. give it a shot :)
[14:41] <Curtman> savvas: I don't think it changed anything.  I'll continue manually comparing for now.
[14:41] <thompa> the beta install broke usb but the upgrade works for some reason
[14:42] <savvas> Curtman: how about this.. cp -R /dev/ to some backup dir, and reinstall udev
[14:43] <overridex> i don't think copying /dev/zero and /dev/urandom, etc. will go well
[14:43] <savvas> Curtman: sorry, backup with sudo, remove its contents and reinstall
[14:43] <savvas> Curtman: it's risky btw :)
[14:43] <Curtman> I think it may be time to admit defeat and download a live CD..
[14:44] <savvas> true
[14:44] <Curtman> I can't open a gnome terminal, the panel doesn't work..  This thing is very sick.  Euthanize it before it suffers any more.. Haha
[14:45] <thompa> take a daily build, there are lots of updates already
[14:47] <Skiessi> I think the wallpaper should be centered when it's zoomed to fill the screen, :| now it shows only the left part and cuts the rest with 16:9 wallpapers in 4:3 screen
[14:47] <jimmygoon> The intel driver n 855gm is simply slow. The redraw time for gtk apps is pathetic :(
[14:49] <thompa> jimmygoon: did you try no effects
[14:50] <jimmygoon> thompa it is darn near impossible to use if I DONT turn them off :(
[14:50] <Curtman> thompa: This one?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20080322/
[14:50] <thompa> Curtman: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[14:50] <thompa> one im downloading ?
[14:51] <Curtman> thompa: Just found that one.. Good stuff.
[14:51] <thompa> i think all the hal updates are there probably. i hope
[14:51] <kbrooks_> hi
[14:51] <kbrooks_> um
[14:52] <bjwebb> hi
[14:52] <Skiessi> hi
[14:52] <Tuv0k> !ask
[14:52] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:53] <thompa> kubuntu looks awsome and has desktop effects setting
[14:53] <kbrooks_> when will the oldest supported ubuntu release (which?) be EOL'd
[14:53] <Curtman> Ouch.. 40KB/sec.  I hope there's a faster mirror.
[14:53] <thompa> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[14:54] <gew> hey guys ... how do i disable NetworkManager  .... i cant connect to wifi , cpu goes crazy .. i wanna do it manually till the fix up shows off
[14:54] <thompa> 56 minutes remaining  120kbs
[14:56] <catweazle> gew: apt-get --purge remove network-manager
[14:56] <gew> catweazle: thank you
[14:56] <thompa> Curtman: 243kbs from cdimage but lots of users
[14:56] <gew> do i need to stop it first
[14:57] <abarbaccia> gew: that will remove it. you might just want to kill it since that'll probably remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:57] <jhaig> I have just installed Hardy (beta downloaded yesterday).  I have tried setting the networking to take DHCP and a static IP address and in both cases, the networking doesn't get set up properly on boot.  With "roaming mode" set, the networking gets set up properly when I log in, but this is no good for me as I need to set up NIS and NFS at boot time.  Has anyone else seen this issue?
[14:57] <abarbaccia> gew: and with the changes being pushed you might lose out on some packages, etc
[14:58] <cwillu> noelferreira ping
[14:59] <Skiessi> lol gnome system monitor disappeared from the administration menu by the last upgrade
[15:04] <lopov> hey guys im having issues upgrading from dapper to hardy. my upgrade tool crashes when i run the cdromupgrade script and i cant seem to find the adept_manager in my install but i do have adept... any ideas?
[15:08] <ailean> upgrade to hardy has stopped my sound working - can anyone help?
[15:11] <abarbaccia> ailean: check to make sure all the volumes are turned up
[15:11] <ailean> abarbaccia, done that
[15:12] <abarbaccia> ailean: theres a script on the wiki which will generate a huge debug file for you - then submit it as a bug
[15:12] <ailean> k thanks
[15:12] <abarbaccia> for debugging sound
[15:14] <abarbaccia> ailean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[15:14] <ailean> excellent, thanks abarbaccia
[15:16] <maney> So from time to time I accidentally make a "gesture" that Hardy interprets to mean "oh, switch tot he other workspace and really confuse him".  Where can I turn that stupidity off?
[15:17] <mcquaid> ok how do i permanently disable trackerd?
[15:17] <mcquaid> not just for this user
[15:19] <nevoeiro> does anyone know when this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/153195) is going to be fixed? it's really annoying to have the computer using almost 30% cpu all the time...
[15:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153195 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ksoftirqd/0 always using about 30% cpu time" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:19] <lopov> how come im missing adept_manager??? even though that i have installed adept?? am i missing something?
[15:20] <Batelje> hello,how can i have sudo rights at a liveCD (xubuntu 8.04 beta) ? i need to copy MP3 files from disk sdb to sda before i install xubuntu
[15:20] <Batelje> and i cant reach the mp3 files because ihe says 'permission denied' when i click the folder 'desktop' at sdb
[15:21] <maney> oh, and while I'm poking aeround looking for clues, what's with the things (eg., the crufty "help reader") that appear without a frame and so cannot be moved or resized so as to be usable?
[15:24] <cdm10> Is anyone here running Hardy in a VirtualBox VM?
[15:25] <bjwebb> hmmmm, flash and java don't seem to isntall properly
[15:27] <_MMA_> Anyone having issue with devices that SANE can recognize being busy? Something changed between Alpha6 and Beta.
[15:29] <pagan0ne> hey guys, anyone have any problems with the 8.04 beta cd hanging on install while trying to set the system clock?
[15:29] <Ashex> so.....how does one reconfigure the video driver and resolutions without dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[15:30] <Curtman> 1 hour, 27 minutes remaining..  :(
[15:30] <kebinusan> the joy of beta
[15:31] <Ashex> I'm trying to configure a system over ssh
[15:31] <Ashex> and the old method for setting up video driver and resolution doesn't work
[15:31] <kebinusan> somehow, lets get a version of vlc to work well with pulseaudio turned into me installing alsa from source and recompiling wine, and its not even noon yet
[15:32] <pagan0ne> so no-one else has a problem where 8.04 hangs on install off the live cd while trying to set the system clock?
[15:34] <pagan0ne> well, anyone have any suggestions on how to install 8.04 if the install hangs every time?
[15:36] <bjwebb> in firefox 3.0 b4 on ubuntu hardy beta, the only directory from which plugins seem to be read is /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b4/plugins
[15:36] <gregory> pagan0ne: start installation with switches disabling problematic hardware
[15:36] <gregory> pagan0ne: or things like acpi etc
[15:37] <pagan0ne> gregory: how would i do that?
[15:37] <gregory> anyone?
[15:38] <flipstar> bjwebb: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins also
[15:38] <kebinusan> pulse audio seems pretty nice
[15:38] <Asa_A> Does anyone here know how to make gnome's panels not stay on top of everything? I'm trying to play WoW (in wine) in fullscreen and sometimes it covers the panels and other times it won't.
[15:38] <Ashex> so nobodu knows?
[15:38] <Ashex> I assumed it was a pretty simple question
[15:38] <bjwebb> flipstar: yeah, true, but i want stuff to install systemwide
[15:39] <bjwebb> why is stuff not being read from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins ?
[15:39] <kebinusan> Asa_A: I just switch my WM when I launch wow, for some reason that seems to fix it temporarily .. course for some reason my title bars in compiz are screwed up in 8.04
[15:40] <kebinusan> Asa_A: not a solution, but installing fusion-icon lets you toggle your wm pretty handily
[15:40] <Asa_A> kebinusan: I turned compiz off and that didn't help, is that what you mean?
[15:41] <kebinusan> Asa, I have to toggle between compiz/metacity after wow launches each time I logon in 8.04 but after I do that it seems fine for the session, so far at least
[15:41] <kebinusan> only been playing with it for a day or so
[15:42] <Ashex> !xorg > me
[15:42] <jimmygoon> Any good reason why I can connect to my server from my windows box but NOT from my ubuntu machine OR the windows VM inside ubuntu?? this is the craziest thing evar
[15:42] <AlienX> maybe a couple of bizarre questions but does hardy's alternate CD have install time encryption as an option, and also, will there be any repercussions if I do a fresh install over a system that already has hd encryption (gutsy system)?
[15:42] <gregory> pagan0ne: one moment
[15:43] <Asa_A> kebinusan: thanks, but that doesn't seem to work for me, the other thing i've found to do is shrink both panels to the corner and use compiz to make them almost completely transparent
[15:43] <pagan0ne> how would i start the live-cd and disable any hardware that might cause freezing issues? how would i know what hardware to disable?
[15:43] <kebinusan> last time I had a similar problem I just dragged the panels to my other display when I launched wow, I cant remember how I ended up fixing it
[15:45] <jimmygoon> wait, how do I disable ufw
[15:46] <flipstar> sudo ufw disable
[15:46] <flipstar> see man ufw
[15:46] <jimmygoon> flipstar, well its not even running right now though
[15:47] <jimmygoon> wth. I still can't connect
[15:47] <flipstar> jimmygoon: you have samba /smbclient installed ?
[15:47] <ichat> is there a  link related to  *un official know to work hardware - kind of like where i can check if other users got my lappy to work with Hardy?
[15:47] <jimmygoon> flipstar, yeah
[15:47] <jimmygoon> flipstar, sorry, I meant FTP
[15:47] <jimmygoon> which makes it even stranger
[15:48] <flipstar> can you access the box from other computer/can you connect to other ftps ?
[15:48] <jimmygoon> yes
[15:48] <jimmygoon> I can connect to MY server but not the OTHER.... but I can access EITHER from my windows box downstairs
[15:48] <flipstar> whats the error message ?
[15:49] <jimmygoon> flipstar, it never receives the welcome message from the server
[15:50] <gregory> pagan0ne: ok, i found it
[15:51] <pagan0ne> gregory thanx
[15:51] <gregory> pagan0ne: in the installer hit f6, then add: noapic nolapic acpi=off and hit enter
[15:51] <gregory> gregory: its not a magic command, but helps in many cases
[15:52] <pagan0ne> gregory, thanx
[15:53] <pagan0ne> gregory noapic nolapic and acpi=off, u sure its not noacpi?
[15:54] <clusty> with hardy I am having some sound problems: somehow I can't have multiple apps using the sound card anymore
[15:54] <gregory> pagan0ne: acpi is controlled by "acpi=off"
[15:54] <clusty> has the system change in gnome?
[15:54] <pagan0ne> gregory ok, thats cool, well i gotta reboot now
[15:55] <pagan0ne> gregory thanks for the help, cross your fingers for me, i really hope this works... i HATE vista, and thats what came with this laptop
[15:56] <clusty> anyone experiencing sound issues?
[15:57] <jimmygoon> lots
[15:57] <jimmygoon> (not personally)
[16:00] <Shizuo> Does this no-partition thingy from Ubuntu 8 works?
[16:00] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone use Banshee?
[16:00] <T1m0thy> Any reason why the weather part of the clock would say 30 F without hovering, but 21.3 F when hovering?
[16:01] <clusty> Mark_Milliman, i used to use banshee
[16:01] <clusty> why?
[16:01] <T1m0thy> I used to.
[16:01] <Mark_Milliman> Because the multimedia keys plugin seems to have disappeared with 0.13.2 from the beta disto
[16:03] <Mark_Milliman> clusty, the mouse button events are bound to the X86 media events but banshee isn't recognizing them
[16:03] <clusty> sorry cant help you amigo :D
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> clutsy, np, thanks
[16:07] <sharperguy> Are there any major problems with hardy at the moment? (I assume not since its beta)
[16:07] <kebinusan> pulseaudio is a little wonky
[16:07] <ichat> well - thats logics i cant seem to follow up on
[16:07] <sharperguy> how do you mean?
[16:07] <kebinusan> you may have some trouble with some media players
[16:08] <ichat> if no known probs where there... it would n't be beta ;)
[16:08] <sharperguy> hence the "major"
[16:08] <ichat> it would (at least) be an RC
[16:08] <sharperguy> As long as I can use amarok and something to play video ill be fine
[16:09] <sharperguy> then again how is it for xine apps?
[16:09] <kebinusan> I had problems with xine stuff and choppy audio tbh, but ymmv
[16:09] <kebinusan> mplayer worked fine tho
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> my freind just installed hardy, is there a known issue with Intel wireless?
[16:10] <bjwebb> okay, from what i can tell firefox 3b4 on ubuntu hardy is looking for plugins in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0 and /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b4 but not /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins; which means the flash and java plugins aren't opened even thoguh they are installed
[16:10] <sharperguy> I could still theorettically put up with it as long as it was fixed before release
[16:10] <ichat> hmmz me throws them all out in favor of  vlc (but thats just my quarky ways)
[16:10] <sharperguy> vlc is good
[16:10] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: the kde3 and kde4 versions as well as gnome have all worked well for me; that is the 3945 intel wireless
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: ok
[16:11] <sharperguy> oh anyone using the rt kernel with it?
[16:11] <kebinusan> ichat, I had problems with VLC, 5sec difference in video/audio, and I couldnt compile the newest build with PA support because it requires libasoun2 > 1.0.16 which hardy doesnt have
[16:11] <sharperguy> and I've already managed to break my suspend and hibernate
[16:11] <ichat> kebinusan:  - thnx for the warning
[16:12] <kebinusan> if you can manage to get alsa 1.0.16 on hardy though, the new vlc is verynice with PA support
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: ah, this is a ipw4965
[16:12] <ichat> hardy will be the first  (linux)  on my lappy...
[16:12] <T1m0thy> Anyone else get like.. colored glitchy lines as they open Firefox? Not sure if it's on other things too, that's just what I always notice it on.
[16:13] <gregory> T1m0thy: yes, i ignore it, restart or move the window
[16:13] <ichat> when its released stable though :P
[16:13] <T1m0thy> Gregory, yeah, it doesn't really matter, it goes away without me touching it. Just wondering.
[16:14] <gregory> T1m0thy: it doesnt look very professional. but on the whole there are more urgent issues ;-)
[16:14] <T1m0thy> Yeah.
[16:14] <sebbar> hi, does the kde4 version of kubuntu come with webkit?
[16:15] <Mark_Milliman> T1m0thy, no video artifacts here
[16:15] <ichat> kde and webkit? :O
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> sebbar: no
[16:15] <T1m0thy> orly
[16:15] <sebbar> nosrednaekim: ok, tnx
[16:15] <Mark_Milliman> may be a compiz and driver issue, check to see if it happens with other programs
[16:15] <T1m0thy> Hmm.. I have an Intel 945.
[16:15] <T1m0thy> I'm not using Compiz.
[16:16] <ichat> webkit's hardly stable (last time i tryed it about  3months ago)  - it was way to borky (regardles if id use the  QT or the GTK frontend
[16:16] <jimmygoon> T1m0thy, I always get those.. Intel driver   855gm
[16:16] <Mark_Milliman> I seem to recall some Intel 945 driver issues with the -12 kerne3l
[16:22] <_MMA_> Anyone know where a Alpha-6 mirror is?
[16:23] <TheInfinity> _MMA_: hardy has gone beta
[16:23] <TheInfinity> you wont find alpha6
[16:23] <TheInfinity> except via bittorrent
[16:23] <_MMA_> I know what I asked. ;)
[16:23] <flipstar> torrent.ubuntu.com
[16:23] <TheInfinity> ok then -> bittorrent :)
[16:25] <_MMA_> flipstar: torrent.ubuntu.com Doesnt have the torrent.
[16:26] <TheInfinity> _MMA_: i could give it to you if i find it here ...
[16:27] <_MMA_> TheInfinity: Thanx. I found one.
[16:28] <_MMA_> Something has changed with SANE and I need to compare the beta vs. alpha6.
[16:34] <Majornikku> hello
[16:35] <Majornikku> I would like to run the new beta on a 1.12 TB with 4 Partions with winblows® on one
[16:35] <AlienX> does hardy's alternate CD have install time encryption as an option, and also, will there be any repercussions if I do a fresh install over a system that already has hd encryption (gutsy system)?
[16:35] <savvas> Majornikku: and? go ahead
[16:37] <Majornikku> of the parts. with ubuntu and the other 2 will be data archives
[16:37] <Majornikku> will ubuntu work on a 1.12 TB raid?
[16:37] <AlienX> Majornikku, sure, why wouldn't it?
[16:37] <savvas> Majornikku: grab a livecd and try it out :)
[16:37] <flipstar> Majornikku: a hardware raid ?
[16:38] <flipstar> then sure
[16:38] <Majornikku> gusty had a probleme with my raiod so i figure i wanted to ask first :)
[16:39] <alex_mayorga> !সচিম
[16:39] <alex_mayorga> !scim
[16:39] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[16:40] <savvas> Majornikku: well.. if you still have a problem, do: lspci -nnv and send the output along with a bug report at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:41] <scompany> hi everyone
[16:41] <ReL1K> whens the release date for hardy?
[16:41] <alex_mayorga> how do I turn off SCIM
[16:41] <savvas> ReL1K: google hardy release schedule
[16:41] <ReL1K> savvas, sure did and theres about 4 different release dates, most say end of march
[16:42] <savvas> ReL1K: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:42] <ReL1K> urr april
[16:42] <savvas> give or take 5 days :)
[16:42] <ReL1K> hehe thanks
[16:42] <jkliff> hi folks. i'm upgrading to hardy from gutsy right now
[16:42] <ReL1K> excited!
[16:42] <scompany> Could someone help me with a problem... I just installed 8.04 beta and it's very slow when compiz is enabled...
[16:42] <luinfana> do you have compiz-fusion?
[16:43] <scompany> yes
[16:43] <savvas> scompany: you have ati?
[16:43] <scompany> nop, I have intel 945
[16:43] <jkliff> i have this silly question: i clicked unfortnately on cancel when i was asked to keep or update my php conf files.
[16:43] <savvas> someone else had problems with ati and xgl, the same problem
[16:43] <scompany> How did he fix it?
[16:44] <jkliff> thus, everything later that depended on php says there were dependency problems. ok. i know it does. how do i force it to reconfigure this unconfigured packages later?
[16:44] <luinfana> it worked fine in gutsy/your previous version?
[16:44] <savvas> scompany: no idea, he disabled compiz and xgl :) file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:44] <scompany> yes it worked fine in gutsy
[16:44] <luinfana> hmmm
[16:44] <luinfana> yeah, I'd file a bug
[16:44] <luinfana> not sure
[16:44] <savvas> :p
[16:45] <scompany> :)
[16:45] <pagan0me> hey, i just managed to install ubuntu on my laptop, however the installer was unable to install GRUB, so i cant boot it, its installed onto sda with ubuntu on sda2 and vista on sda1, how do i manually install grub, su grub-install sda doesnt seem to work
[16:45] <burken> do i have to uninstall old nvidia drivers before upgrading?
[16:45] <AlexLatchford> Anyone have any ideas on how to keep a netgear wireless card connected after a restart? I am using ndiswrapper with the windows driver.. :)
[16:45] <overridex> burken: mine were all screwed up from a manual change that i had made to them, so i had to...
[16:45] <jkliff> scompany, i have the same video here. let's see what happens when it finishes installing here. do you have the right x drivers for the 945 installed?
[16:46] <scompany> I have intel drivers, I also tried i810 but problem remains..
[16:47] <luinfana> it's like, choppy?
[16:48] <scompany> yes, you could describe it like that...
[16:48] <pagan0me> sorry its ubuntu 8.04 version
[16:48] <rsk> take a look if possible http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[16:48] <MFen> anyone know how to change (or get rid of) the launching of an application every time an ipod is plugged in?
[16:48] <MFen> currently gnome launches rhythmbox every time i plug in an ipod
[16:48] <luinfana> I've got a question...my system beep stays on even after disabling it in the sound menu. It's really annoying...
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> scompany: run "apt-cache policy xserver-xgl"
[16:49] <MFen> oh, wait, never mind, i found it
[16:49] <scompany> xserver-xgl:
[16:49] <scompany>   Installed: (none)
[16:49] <scompany>   Candidate: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>~git20080115-0ubuntu1
[16:49] <scompany>   Version table:
[16:49] <scompany>      1:<IP_ADDRESS>~git20080115-0ubuntu1 0
[16:49] <scompany>         500 http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[16:50] <scompany> should I install xserver-xgl?
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> scompany: ok, you are good then.... no don't install it
[16:50] <scompany> ok
[16:50] <pagan0me> grr, this is getting a little frustrating....
[16:51] <jkliff> erm..
[16:51] <jkliff> .ok
[16:51] <savvas> !grub | pagan0ne
[16:51] <ubotu> pagan0ne: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:51] <jkliff> i just got an error while upgrading
[16:51] <jkliff> related to the previously unconfigured packages...
[16:52] <jkliff> anyone knows what to do?
[16:52] <luinfana> what's the error, specifically?
[16:52] <savvas> jkliff: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:52] <pagan0ne> savvas, well if its installed to sda2 and i sudo grub-install sda then it should install, but instead it exits with this error: Format of install_device not reconized.
[16:53] <jkliff> luinfana, previously (by my mistake) php was left unconfigured
[16:53] <jkliff> so now i got:
[16:53] <jkliff> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:53] <jkliff>  libapache2-mod-php5
[16:53] <jkliff>  php5-mysql
[16:53] <jkliff>  php5
[16:53] <jkliff>  phpmyadmin
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: /dev/sda
[16:53] <jkliff> and alter thus a stack trace
[16:53] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, ahh thx
[16:53] <blahbo> hi all. i noticed the sensitivity in iwl3945 is much worse than it used to be in ipw3945. any way of improving the link sensitivity or to revert to ipw3945?
[16:53] <luinfana> jkliff: OK, so what does it tell you?
[16:53] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[16:54] <savvas> pagan0ne: it doesn't work with sata devices, from my experience, there's a way using the grub command though: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-7fb1c88570b006aa14b7daaef2238b432b7f73c8
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: this is on the liveCD?
[16:54] <scompan1> sorry, I had a connection problem..
[16:54] <blahbo> also 'iplist scan' with iwl3945 renders less channels than iwp3945.. any similar experiences?
[16:54] <jkliff> it tells me 3 tmes about a bad file descriptor, but doens't tell me what file:
[16:54] <jkliff> Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:54] <jkliff>   File "logging/__init__.py", line 753, in emit
[16:54] <jkliff>     self.flush()
[16:54] <jkliff>   File "logging/__init__.py", line 731, in flush
[16:54] <jkliff>     self.stream.flush()
[16:54] <jkliff> IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor
[16:54] <jkliff> this error, 3 times in a row. and then ends.
[16:54] <orvokki> Flood. :/
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin | jkliff
[16:54] <ubotu> jkliff: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[16:54] <jkliff> dist upgrade stopped on 'installing the upgrades
[16:54] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, yes, i just finished running the installer off the live cd, the installer went to install grub, crashed with a fatal error, and before i reboot i need grub installed
[16:54] <luinfana> it just quit?
[16:54] <jkliff> nosrednaekim, ubotu. i'm really sorry. i'l use that.
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: ah ok, simple enough, run "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[16:55] <jkliff> luinfana, the window is still open.
[16:55] <pagan0ne> jkliff, thanks, was getting to me there... lol
[16:55] <orvokki> pagan0ne: Is there supposed to be a boot partition on the disk?
[16:55] <jkliff> :( won't happen again. old habits die hard, you know...
[16:55] <luinfana> jkliff: did you try removing any partial changes you might have made when trying to setup PHP?
[16:56] <pagan0ne> orvokki, its setup as follows, sda1 is vista, sda2 is kubuntu "/"  no /boot or swap partitions
[16:56] <loa_> Hello, how i can deinstall old kernels?
[16:56] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[16:56] <pagan0ne> brb
[16:56] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, Synaptic Package Manger is the easiest way to do it.
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: then run "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda"
[16:56] <jkliff> luinfana, not. i didn't try removing anything. i just let the upgrade process continue, thinking i would be able to fix php later on
[16:57] <orvokki> nosrednaekim: I'd have done that with a chroot but I suppose that's better.
[16:57] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, just search for the versions that you want to remove
[16:57] <loa_> Mark_Milliman, thank you.
[16:57] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, I use to manually remove everything, but sometimes you don't find all of the files
[16:57] <luinfana> jkliff: well, if you remove PHP completely, and then run the upgrade, then the installer will probably overwrite the files with the new default versions, and you won't get an error.
[16:57] <Mark_Milliman> loa_, np
[16:57] <loa_> but how i can make it from console/
[16:58] <jkliff> luinfana, assuming this is just a php thing, apt-get -f install should be enough?
[16:58] <nikos> hi all
[16:58] <luinfana> yeah I think so
[16:58] <nikos> I got a problem with a fresh install of hardy beta
[16:58] <jkliff> let's try
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> orvokki: chroot doesn't work because it doesn't have a /dev yet
[16:58] <orvokki> Hmm, right.
[16:58] <nikos> I can not get the native resolution of my screen (nvidia gpu,restricted drivers enabled)
[16:58] <orvokki> nosrednaekim: So you'd have to mount that too. Ok, your way is seriously better and less complex.
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> XD
[16:59] <orvokki> nosrednaekim: That is, I completely forgot the phase where you mount the livecd /dev into chroot /dev. :)
[16:59] <nikos> any bugreports on that?
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> never knew that method;)
[17:00] <luinfana> jkliff: if apt-get -f install doesn't work, then just completely remove PHP (apt-get remove packagename)
[17:00] <Mark_Milliman> lao_, look at the man page for aptitude and grep for the kernels you want to remove
[17:00] <Mark_Milliman> then run aptitude with the appropriate flags to remove the desired kernel packages
[17:01] <steph_> Is there someone here who use hardy/ltsp/virtualbox ?
[17:01] <jkliff> luinfana, at first it though a dpgk-reconfigure would suffice.
[17:01] <luinfana> and it didn't?
[17:01] <jkliff> luinfana, i didn't get to that. i had this error still in the upgrade process.
[17:02] <Mark_Milliman> lao_, aptitude purge (regexp for kernel) will do the trick, look at the man page first so you don't do any real damage
[17:02] <scompan2> sorry for being boring, but i had connection problem once again...
[17:02] <luinfana> jkliff: I still think you should just try to remove the PHP packages, and retry the upgrade.
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone else have issues accessing wireless channels 12/13
[17:02] <luinfana> if it's not giving you any other options
[17:03] <h3sp4wn> (wpa_supplicant is fine but network-manager won't have any of it⎈)
[17:03] <scompan2> did someone maybe said something to me after i asked if i need to instal xorgserver-xgl
[17:03] <scompan2> *xerver-xgl
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> scompan2: yeah.. I said don't
[17:04] <scompan2> ok, i didn't... you do have any other suggestion maybe
[17:04] <muszek> hi
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> scompan2: not really, I don't have a intel card
[17:06] <scompan2> ok, thanks anyway..
[17:06] <overridex> scompan1: you don't need XGL for compiz with an intel card
[17:06] <overridex> just need to enable AIGLX in your xorg.conf
[17:07] <jkliff> luinfana, i just want to be sure i will be carrying on with my update properly regardless of having php installed or not
[17:07] <jkliff> and i'm not really sure i am
[17:07] <scompan2> my compiz works, but it's veeery slow, especially when scrolling something, like in firefox...
[17:07] <muszek> I just plugged in external monitor (1280x1024) to my laptop (1440x900).  It displays same content on both screens.  On the laptop screen gnome panels are shown as if the laptop had the same resolution as the external monitor - upper panel is shortened to 1280px, lower is not shown (it's "below the fold").  How should I proceed from here?  I'd like to have different stuff shown on both screens (what's the point otherwise...)
[17:07] <scompan2> and I don't have enabled AIGLX
[17:08] <overridex> scompan1: is it using direct rendering?  (glxinfo | grep ^direct)
[17:08] <jkliff> update-manager --devel-release (the way i started upgrading in the first place) suggests there are only a handful of packages to upgrade...
[17:08] <scompan2> yes
[17:08] <pagan0ne> nosrednaekim, The file /mnt/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[17:08] <luinfana> OK, let me just make sure we're on the same page. The upgrade manager is giving you an error about PHP configs, and no options to skip configuration or anything, so basically you have a paused upgrade window at this point.
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> pagan0ne: you need to do a reinstall.
[17:08] <savvas> 17:54:04 < savvas> pagan0ne: it doesn't work with sata devices, from my experience, there's a way using the grub command though:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-7fb1c88570b006aa14b7daaef2238b432b7f73c8
[17:09] <muszek> I have intel x3100 onboard GPU (the one that comes with C2D santa rosa)
[17:09] <jkliff> luinfana, exactly. just one thing: this is what i _had_. already closed that and am trying to recover from whre i stopped.
[17:09] <savvas> no one ever listens to me :P
[17:09]  * nosrednaekim reads savvas's link
[17:10] <scompan2> I don't understand it... everything worked fine with in gutsy with same xorg conf..
[17:10] <jkliff> luinfana, but it seems for the better now: update-manager --devel-release is asking me again about php.
[17:10]  * savvas sens nosrednaekim a treat :p
[17:10] <savvas> *sends
[17:10] <savvas> if only pagan0ne would read it :)
[17:10] <jkliff> now i don't know wheter the upgrade will be complete, as it stopped in the middle...
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | savvas
[17:10] <ubotu> savvas: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[17:11] <pagan0ne> savvas, i am reading it, but it takes alot of effort to read that and keep up here
[17:11] <savvas> pagan0ne: then.. just read the guide, if it doesn't work, you come back here
[17:12] <jkliff> luinfana, ok, now i don't know where i'm standing.
[17:12] <jkliff> that php problem got fixed, but i don't think the upgrade is complete
[17:13] <luinfana> OK, if the upgrade manager is closed, then just start another upgrade
[17:13] <luinfana> if your PHP problem is fixed, as you say
[17:13] <luinfana> do update-manager --devel-release
[17:13] <jkliff> it is what i did
[17:13] <jkliff> and it finished already
[17:14] <jkliff> shouldn't it do the whole thing, including asking to reboot and all?
[17:14] <luinfana> So if you run that command, you don't get "New Distribution Release 8.10 Available?"
[17:14] <jkliff> not again.
[17:14] <jkliff> i did at first. now i don't
[17:14] <luinfana> yes, it should, but since you had an error, you should run it again
[17:14] <luinfana> oh
[17:14] <luinfana> that's not good
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> jkliff: you can just run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:15] <AlexHoover> "sudo upgrade-manager -d" too.
[17:15] <jkliff> ...0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:15] <luinfana> nosrednaekim: but will dist-upgrade show hardy beta?
[17:15] <AlexHoover> !initramfs
[17:16] <AlexHoover> Hmm
[17:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initramfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:16] <jkliff> i tryied them all and none says anythng specific about hardy. at first updatemanager --devel-... did, but not no.
[17:16] <jkliff> now*
[17:16] <luinfana> it says "your system is up to date?"
[17:16] <jkliff> do-release-upgrade --devel-release tells me No new release found as well
[17:16] <jkliff> luinfana, yes
[17:17] <luinfana> OK, then unless anyone else here has a better suggestion, you should probably just restart and fix any problems you have after that
[17:17] <luinfana> how far along was it?