[15:50] <rs2009> xnox: hi :), would it be possible to enable binder in the kernel config by default? It would be useful for running Anbox.
[15:51] <rs2009> there have been many bug reports in Anbox's GitHub repo related to this issue
[15:52] <rs2009> this would be useful for many Ubuntu users (and Ubuntu Web Remix uses it as well)
[16:48] <xnox> rs2009:  i thought all anbox needed modules are enabled in ubuntu kernels. but not signed. meaning one either has to turn off lockdown/secureboot, or enroll mok key and sign it.
[16:48] <xnox> but let me check
[16:48] <xnox> rs2009:  modinfo binder_linux => says that it is avaialbe and it is even signed.
[16:48] <xnox> rs2009:  so..... what is your request?
[17:05] <rs2009> Oops, was checking binder instead of binder_linux
[17:06] <rs2009> thanks :)


[00:02] <troy_s> stochastic: Typical lazy bum rockstar.
[01:01] <ScottL> hey troy_s, interesting post about adobe and I commented again (don't send me an ugly email again :P)
[01:01] <ScottL> troy_s, just kidding, never got whatever email you sent before
[01:01] <troy_s> ScottL: Oh... good.
[01:01] <troy_s> ScottL: I actually replied to the comment so it probably got lost routing off of your blogger account or whatever.
[01:02] <troy_s> ScottL: How are things with you?
[01:06] <ScottL> doing well, how about you?
[01:06] <troy_s> ScottL: I think the point is that they might have a pretty solid product if they focus on delivering a Linux based workstation like Inferno.
[01:06] <troy_s> ScottL: Pretty good thanks.
[01:06] <troy_s> Trying to figure out how to circumnavigate an ffmpeg bug.
[01:07] <ScottL> isn't that what the Blender/Nuke thing is?  Linux based workstation?  geared for Hollywood type movies?
[01:07] <troy_s> ScottL: Nuke runs on Linux. The overhead is very appealing to Hollywood.
[01:07] <troy_s> ScottL: But it isn't a workstation.
[01:07] <troy_s> ScottL: Flint / Flame / Inferno are custom full hardware-n-all solutions from Autodesk.
[01:08] <troy_s> ScottL: And while they have a Windows version, the Linux edition is the standard reference.
[01:09] <ScottL> oh, sorry, wasn't thinking about the hardware...i understand more now, you are saying something more turnkey
[01:09] <troy_s> ScottL: Very much so.
[01:09] <troy_s> ScottL: That's where Adobe could likely deliver a pretty compelling product.
[01:09] <ScottL> troy_s, buy it, take it home, turn it on, use it
[01:09] <troy_s> ScottL: Yes.
[01:10] <troy_s> ScottL: There are two components to most applications - the clients / design interfaces and the render nodes.
[01:10] <ScottL> troy_s, no configuration or mucking about with settings (or even command line)
[01:10] <troy_s> ScottL: Nuke has two components and one is cheaper (the render nodes)
[01:10] <ScottL> troy_s, bloody hell, sounds right up Apple's alley
[01:10] <troy_s> ScottL: Well it might do a couple of things - if they actually had developers working on it, you could likely see a performance gain.
[01:11] <troy_s> ScottL: You eliminate the overhead of os licenses (not a huge deal as the number of Photoshop boxes are relatively limited compared to the render nodes on Linux stations)
[01:11] <troy_s> ScottL: You eliminate upgrade costs for the OS.
[01:11] <troy_s> etc.
[01:11] <troy_s> ScottL: You also get almost immediate access to better architecture as it comes out.
[01:11] <troy_s> etc.
[01:12] <troy_s> ScottL: I would strongly suspect it would allow for some proprietary implementation packages for asset management etc. (like Burn)
[01:15] <ScottL> troy_s, what is meant by 'asset management'?
[01:16] <troy_s> ScottL: Well in any large project you have godawful numbers of assets - still images, titles, visual effects plates, etc.
[01:16] <ScottL> and where can I find a website for Nuke, i'm finding a bunch of garbage links with google+blender+nuke
[01:16] <troy_s> ScottL: If you have that sort of a project, you need a way to figure out how the hell to track them all etc. pull them in. blah blah.
[01:16] <troy_s> erm
[01:16] <troy_s> foundry
[01:16] <ScottL> troy_s, oh, okay like a photo manager (file manager) with metadata
[01:16] <troy_s> ScottL: http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/
[01:17] <troy_s> ScottL: Sort of but a little more uh... diverse.
[01:17] <troy_s> ScottL: Imagine you have negative vaults of the single source frames for every single frame of your movie etc.
[01:18] <ScottL> troy_s, i just didn't understand the paradigm to the management, but I do know I think
[01:18] <troy_s> ScottL: You would need to know how complex projects roughly come together - you have your shooting then all of that footage comes home and is pushed to the vaults or digitized as necessary. It sits there as the 'negatives'.
[01:18] <troy_s> ScottL: From that you create proxies (small crap quality versions with timecode etc) for your editors to use.
[01:18] <troy_s> ScottL: And you also might provide some formats for your visual effects friends to get started on things.
[01:19] <troy_s> ScottL: Cut it, lock the cut, visual effects goes bonkers while your sound designers go nuts and your musicians score.
[01:19] <troy_s> ScottL: After all of the visual side of things happen, you have 1) sources - the thing we talked about 2) raw visual effects finals etc.
[01:20] <troy_s> ScottL: You conform based on a text file - an EDL. That edl is uptaken by something like Smoke (again autodesk) and it recreates the cuts the editors / directors etc. specified in the EDL (in fact, that is the ONLY thing that is used from Final Cut or Avid - the text file with notes)
[01:21] <troy_s> ScottL: From there, your asset management tool (Burn for example) goes out and fetches all the bits from the various mediums (tapes? hard disks? etc.) and Smoke compiles it all into one big huge polished sandwich.
[01:21] <troy_s> ScottL: So the last step is where you have asset management, as well as throughout the project to deal with all of the various fingers of product.
[01:21] <troy_s> ScottL: As you can imagine, knowing where stuff is is massive.
[01:22] <troy_s> ScottL: Base nuke is cheap - only 3500$ :)
[01:24] <troy_s> ScottL: http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/pkg_downloads.aspx?ui=cbc2593a-2c9f-4ef9-84be-c198b0171453
[01:24] <troy_s> ScottL: You can try before you buy. ;)
[01:26] <troy_s> ScottL: So the next time you hear some doofus talking about wishing for Final Cut Pro or some other digital content creation tool, you can slap em'. Nuke has won more Academy Awards for people than FCP. And all of it runs on Linux.
[01:28] <troy_s> ScottL: You any good at shell scripting?
[01:32] <ScottL> troy_s, I use the command line but I don't really shell script
[01:33] <troy_s> ScottL: Were you checking out TheFoundry?
[01:33] <troy_s> ScottL: That Iron Man youtube vis is pretty impressive. It sort of makes people go 'wow'.
[01:34] <troy_s> ScottL: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFoundryChannel
[01:34] <troy_s> ScottL: PYTHON!
[01:36] <troy_s> ScottL: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFoundryChannel#p/c/65F3C937DC21FB5D/1/eucKBY6c8OE
[01:41] <ScottL> troy_s, sorry, i'm back and forth with the kids, yes I was checking out the Foundry
[01:42] <troy_s> ScottL: Shockingly, a good bit of what you can do in Nuke you can do in Blender.
[01:42] <ScottL> i'll look at the videos in a bit though, son wants me to hold him on the couch, he's a little under the weather two year old :(
[01:42] <troy_s> ScottL: Unfortunately, I'm about 70% through another project, but I need to now start assembly on this music video.
[01:43] <troy_s> ScottL: Go enjoy the kids... I'm off to snap a drive in.
[01:43] <troy_s> Be good.
[10:53] <persia> Anyone around?  Have time to test for Alpha3?
[10:58]  * stochastic is awake
[11:00] <persia> Do you have time to test to see if the current milestone candidates work?
[11:04] <stochastic> I'm really about to go to bed, but I have burned the latest and plan on installing it very soon
[11:05] <persia> Well, slangasek asked if anyone had time to test so we could release with Alpha 3.
[11:05] <persia> (in #ubuntu-devel)
[11:05] <persia> I'm not that worried about not releasing with the Alpha if we haven't tested, but if we had someone to test, it would be good.
[11:06] <stochastic> I'll try to
[11:06] <abogani> On real hardware?
[11:06]  * persia will try to make some time to do interim testing this weekend to see if there are obvious bugs that need to be knocked out, but that's independent of the milestone release.
[11:06] <persia> abogani: Ideally, but VM tests are accepted.
[12:30] <ScottL> persia, i'll be deleting my test karmic partition today and installing the lucid alpha :)
[12:31] <ScottL> and probably VM testing on my laptop as well
[12:31]  * ScottL out to walk the dog
[12:32] <persia> ScottL: OK.  I'll strongly encourage you to try installing the Alpha candidates from Tuesday (when they enter internal testing) rather than waiting for the Alpha release.  We need testers in order to get included, so we probably won't get a mention in the Alpha 3 release announcement (because nobody knows if they work).
[12:43] <ScottL> I think I tried to download Tuesdays, but when I got home they were rebuilding it, therefore I downloaded yesterday and this is what I was planning on testing
[12:43] <ScottL> s/Tuesdays/Tuesday's ISO
[12:44] <persia> Ah.  You might want to grab again, just before testing (zync can make this less painful).
[14:50] <ScottL> hi cory
[14:53] <ckontros> yo
[18:46] <ScottL> troy_s, i'm trying to read your article now (kids are home sick) so I hope later today to have something witty to say
[18:46] <troy_s> ScottL: LOL
[18:46] <troy_s> ScottL: More useless dribble.
[18:48] <ScottL> troy_s, bah, you're more articulate than a lot of artsy people I know, they almost couldn't coherant sentence together if their life depended on it
[18:48] <troy_s> ScottL: Either that or you are warped as hell and you just look at crinkled plastic as smooth.
[18:48] <troy_s> ScottL: Relative world... remember? ;)
[18:48] <troy_s> lol
[18:48] <ScottL> of course in some ways, i'm jealous that they can operate on that plane (i'm a regimented, have to know what to expect kind of guy, almost paralyising for doing new things)
[18:51] <ScottL> troy_s, I LOL'd at myself "they almost couldn't coherant sentence" - heh, that's ironic
[18:51] <ScottL> man, if you can't point at yourself and laugh at that, then you don't have a sense of humor
[18:52] <troy_s> ScottL: I used to play bass for Couldn't Coherant. We imploded though. Lead singer had a bad attitude.
[18:54] <ScottL> troy_s, my last band (5 or 6 years ago) imploded as well, the singer thought he _was_ the band
[18:54] <troy_s> ScottL: LOL. Was it Couldn't Coherant?
[18:55] <troy_s> ScottL: (/me not a bander, but rather the guy that tries to occasionally make a band look like they think they look in their heads.)
[18:56] <ScottL> we were 'undergod', some stupid name I came up with that I later realized so had a lot of other people
[18:56] <ScottL> it was all disappointing to watch his head swell, he and I had known each other for years and could play 75 songs (easy) at the drop of a hat
[18:57] <ScottL> of course we drank a lot in those days, so we had rough versions, but we could play a lot of songs though, good bar band in some ways, not so much in others
[18:57] <ScottL> frustrating to see all the potential squandered by his ego :(    but, oh well
[18:58] <ScottL> I went back to school and got my fantastic job now :)
[19:49] <troy_s> ScottL: What is your current career?
[20:23] <ScottL> troy_s, structural design, but I'm actually supervisor for the detailing department now
[20:24] <troy_s> ScottL: Hrm... Design related?
[20:25] <ScottL> persia, themuso: tested lucid install, went well but I've noticed some menu inaccuracies, should I file a bug or just report them here/mailing list?
[20:26] <ScottL> troy_s, engineering type stuff, desigingin aluminum structures    my company:  http://www.conservatek.com/
[20:26] <troy_s> ScottL: You a PEng?
[20:26] <ScottL> troy_s, some of the pictures you see at the site is stuff that I've worked on, hell, a large percentage of the physical, paper literature they have has stuff that i've worked on
[20:28] <ScottL> troy_s, no i'm not an engineer, licensed or by vocation, but I can do some of the calculations and have taken numerous engineering classes
[20:28] <troy_s> ScottL: Some pretty cool architecture on that site. Too bad the site doesn't really do it justice.
[20:28] <ScottL> troy_s, but structural design comes intuitively to me and I'm a hyper-organized person which helps me excel
[20:28] <troy_s> ScottL: All those nice angles and lines jammed into a FLOSS grid. Lol.
[20:29] <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, sigh, well..yeah - the website does suck and noticed by those who care and those who don't (i.e. the ones responsible for it) seem to think it's fine
[20:29] <troy_s> ScottL: It is a shame. That kind of progressive architecture could really shine if you let it show.
[20:30] <troy_s> ScottL: Very cool stuff.
[20:30] <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, I like the challenging stuff, but I split my time now between management and doing actual work
[20:30] <ScottL> troy_s, but the cool thing is i set up a server at home with wikipedia and showed the company what we could do by building a wiki about our design stuff
[20:31] <ScottL> after six months they installed mysql and mediawiki on the company server (MS stuff)
[20:31] <troy_s> ScottL: It just feels like it is an architectural thing by and large (or at least could likely sell the overall quality better by focusing on that stuff) and the emotional drama is nerfed with those teeny squares
[20:32] <ScottL> troy_s, so I helped introduce some open source software into the corporate setting
[20:32] <troy_s> ScottL: But I guess the name sort of says it all.
[20:32] <troy_s> lol
[20:32] <ScottL> troy_s, well, we actually started out only covering petroleum tanks in refineries, we were "conserv"ing their product and the environment
[20:32] <troy_s> ScottL: With high quality still of those 12 things in the portfolio you could create a pretty amazing looking site.
[20:33] <ScottL> troy_s, then we got into the flat cover/wastewater and architectural stuff
[20:33] <troy_s> ScottL: It looks more like 'conserva'tive design - which it most certainly isn't judging from those pretty spectacular geometrical works.
[20:33] <ScottL> troy_s, you may laugh, but this website is actually an _improvement_ from what it used to be :(
[20:33] <troy_s> ScottL: The Halsell conservatory is stunning.
[20:34] <troy_s> ScottL: I don't really have an opinion on it other than the work itself seems like the site underharnesses it.
[20:35] <troy_s> some pretty cool geoforms there.
[20:35] <troy_s> ScottL: Did I show you the new mythbuntu site we are working on?
[20:36] <ScottL> troy_s, a while back, but I bet it's improved since then    throw me the link again
[20:36] <ScottL> troy_s, what we have are computer IT guys who happen to know how to kludge a website together, rather than a design team/firm
[20:36] <troy_s> ScottL: Not really... it's extremely slow trudging actually. It has at least come to life at this point and is a real working copy from sketchwork. But there is so much to do and unfortunately our head html / css fellow has been having to take a break.
[20:37] <troy_s> ScottL: It's not easy stuff. I personally hate sites.  How many?
[20:53] <abogani> ScottL: ^
[21:12] <ScottL> abogani, I have three (two are sick today)
[21:13] <abogani> Wow!
[21:13] <abogani> That you have three child (not that two are sick)! :-)
[21:14]  * abogani would want too
[21:17] <TheMuso> ScottL: Probably file a bug and please update the iso tracker. slangasek asked me about astudio testing for alpha 3, which I thought the testing team were doing...
[21:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, I was updating the iso tracker (several have reported already) and I'll add the bug
[21:29] <TheMuso> ScottL: ah ok
[21:48] <ScottL> TheMuso, usplash (or replacement), gdm and artwork (wallpaper) will all drop later after Alpha 3 right?
[21:49] <TheMuso> ScottL: Gdm will stay, I need to fix up how we can theme for us. Usplash should already be gone.
[21:49] <ScottL> TheMuso, well, yes, usplash is gone but we are left with default splash (or intro) it just says Ubuntu instead of Ubuntu Studio
[21:50] <TheMuso> ScottL: Right we need to develope a plymouth theme.
[21:50] <ScottL> TheMuso, I also noticed that the Ubuntu Studio logo for the main menu now has a small, gray triangle on the bottom left, is this intentional or a bug?
[21:52] <TheMuso> ScottL: I don't know.
[21:53] <ScottL> TheMuso, shall I file a bug?
[21:55] <TheMuso> ScottL: plesae.e
[21:55] <ScottL> abogani, why does three kids make you say, "Wow!" - just the quantity or do I seem too young to have them
[21:55] <ScottL> TheMuso, It shall be done
[21:56] <TheMuso> ScottL: thanks
[21:57] <abogani> ScottL: I don't have idea how old are you. I love children and I hope to have two at least in near future.
[21:58] <abogani> ScottL: Italians say "I figli so' piezz'e core"
[22:01] <abogani> ScottL: Now I'm curious: How old are you? :-)
[22:17] <ScottL> abogani, I'm 41, my eldest is 13, my youngest is 2
[22:18] <ScottL> abogani, I was a single child but my wife, otoh, was the second youngest of five children
[22:18] <abogani> :-)
[23:07] <TheMuso> ScottL: I think it was decided that people didn't want the window selector, but I could be wrong. Trouble is, adding that in is somewhat difficult.
[23:08] <TheMuso> Well not difficult, just time consuming
[23:42] <ScottL> TheMuso, ah, okay
[23:42] <ScottL> but the Lucid Alpha is looking really nice so far :)
[23:45] <TheMuso> cool
[23:48] <ScottL> i don't know if that is because it just rocks or because I have been more involved though ;/
[23:52] <TheMuso> heh


 J'ai vu ton msg, je fais les retries :)
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:09] <oSoMoN> merci!
[08:10] <seb128> shrug, my internet laaags today dunno why :-/
[08:10] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:10] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[08:11] <didrocks> fatigué par les oreilles, mais sinon ok, et toi ?
[08:11] <marcustomlinson> morning Laney and seb128
[08:11] <Laney> hey didrocks oSoMoN seb128 marcustomlinson
[08:12]  * oSoMoN lends some of his internet to seb128
[08:12] <seb128> moi ça va
[08:12] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[08:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, looking at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages we probably need another round of retry of tb/jsunit with proposed versions
[08:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, I think the retries I requested earlier should be sufficient
[08:15] <Laney> is it because jsunit hasn't migrated?
[08:15] <seb128> ah, right, they include both triggers
[08:15] <seb128> Laney, yes, they need to migrate together
[08:15] <seb128> tb/jsunit/enigmail are a locked set
[08:16] <seb128> tb changed in some incompatible way which forced the others ones to be changed
[08:16] <oSoMoN> it's a bit annoying that I'm allowed to upload thunderbird but not jsunit and enigmail, and thus not allowed to trigger autopkgtests involving them
[08:16] <seb128> you need to get coredev rights :)
[08:17] <oSoMoN> there's an ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders team that can upload enigmail, I should probably apply for that first
[08:17] <seb128> you probably did enough archive work and fixes and uploads to apply for that?
[08:17] <seb128> yeah, I expect getting mozilla right should be a formality for you
[08:18] <oSoMoN> yeah, I'm not sure I'm familiar enough with all the subtleties of archive work for core-dev yet
[08:18] <oSoMoN> but it's definitely a goal for me
[08:19] <oSoMoN> applying for ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders is just like a PPU application, right?
[08:20] <duflu> Morning seb128, marcustomlinson, Laney
[08:30] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm not familiar with ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders but it sounds like it
[08:30] <duflu> seb128, alright. Surprised to find that there was zero discussion on any of my merge requests last week, so kind of good, kind of :) How are you?
[08:32] <seb128> I'm good!
[08:32] <seb128> duflu, no discussion but still some action? or is just everyone on holidays?
[08:33] <oSoMoN> or everyone respected duflu's holidays, and decided not to add to his backlog
[08:35] <duflu> Oh, one thing landed, but that's not really worth mentioning https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/778
[08:35] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 778 in mutter "Fix 32-bit compiler warnings" [Merged]
[08:53] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[08:54] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[08:54] <Wimpress> seb128: Thanks for the slideshow update.
[08:54] <seb128> Wimpress, np!
[08:54] <seb128> hey Wimpress :)
[08:59] <seb128> is anyone alse having issues connecting to the GNOME infra today?
[08:59] <duflu> seb128, no (?)
[08:59] <seb128> thx duflu, probably my isp
[08:59] <duflu> Though that's just gitlab web right now
[09:00] <oSoMoN> good morning Wimpress
[09:00] <didrocks> no issue for me either
[09:01] <seb128> k, changing DNS servers to use the google ones and it's back at working, so isp blaming!
[09:03] <oSoMoN> enigmail tests all passed \o/
[09:04] <oSoMoN> now it seems I'll need to trigger again the jsunit ones, and thunderbird should finally migrate
[09:06] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, so we need the jsunit again? I'm getting lost with those multi-trigger retries
[09:14] <oSoMoN> ricotz, good morning! sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I'm totally seeing the partial translations problem you raised with firefox 70.0 beta 11
[09:14] <oSoMoN> the chrome is correctly localized, but the web UI at e.g. about:preferences is not
[09:39] <duflu> seb128, gitlab's now really down
[09:39] <seb128> I jinxed it? :p
[09:39] <oSoMoN> ricotz, upstream builds are not affected, apparently, but they distribute language packs rather differently, so not really a surprise
[09:39] <seb128> but yeah, changing dns got me gnome irc/ftp working but not gitlab, I gave up for now
[10:10] <oSoMoN> thunderbird migrated \o/
[10:11] <oSoMoN> that's a migratory (thunder)bird
[10:18] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: :)
[10:21] <oSoMoN> mpt, hello, have you had a chance to think about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings#drivers ?
[10:39] <mpt> oSoMoN, hi, I didn’t get to it last week but plan to work on it this week
[10:42] <oSoMoN> mpt, ack, thanks. At this stage that'll be work for the 20.04 cycle I think, but I'll implement it as early as possible
[10:46] <mpt> oSoMoN, yes, I thought it was low priority because Will said at the sprint there was no longer time for 19.10
[10:46] <mpt> And it will be a non-trivial change to convey things like “If you have multiple cards from the same vendor they must use the same driver”
[10:58] <seb128> oSoMoN, well done!
[11:11] <dupondje> Perhaps somebody around that has quite some ALSA knowledge to debug something?
[11:37] <seb128> dupondje, hey, I don't think we have experts on the topic but we might still be able to help if you ask the actual question :)
[11:48] <dupondje> seb128: Well I have a Dell WD15 dock, headphones output on it is shown correctly in pulseaudio etc, but it stays complete silent :(
[11:48] <seb128> Laney, what do you think about skipping the ruby-gnome autopkgtest failure to let gst-plugins-good1.0 migrates?
[11:49] <dupondje> treid already multiple things with pulseaudio guys, but they think its a alsa/kernel issue :(
[11:49] <dupondje> strange thing also is that I see multiple reports where it seems to be working on linux ...
[11:49] <seb128> dupondje, what Ubuntu serie?
[11:50] <dupondje> Eoan :)
[11:50] <seb128> dupondje, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/issues/572 sounds like past report about such issues but I expect those changes are in Eoan :/
[11:50] <gitbot> PulseAudio issue 572 in pulseaudio "Regression with Dell TB16/WD15: audio not working with kernel 4.18" [Closed]
[11:52] <seb128> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/1806532
[11:52] <seb128> basically no idea about that one sorry :/
[11:54] <dupondje> seb128: yea that patch is included in Eoan, but indeed doesn't work
[11:55] <dupondje> Collegue on 18.04 with same setup neither has sound, so seems broken long-time :P
[11:59] <Laney> seb128: kind of bad, let's kill that stack out of eoan
[12:00]  * Laney files a bug about doing that
[12:15] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rabbiter/+bug/1846331
[12:15] <Laney> think that's the lot
[12:16] <dupondje> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205071 lets do it that way then :D
[12:16] <Laney> bit late but /me is reviewing zfs in ubiquity again
[12:24] <seb128> Laney, k, wfm, thanks
[12:25] <seb128> Laney, does that need an ack from another r-t member?
[12:26] <Laney> don't think so
[12:26] <Laney> I've never asked for acks for this kind of thing anyway
[12:26] <seb128> k, thx
[12:26] <Laney> please check my working though!
[12:26] <seb128> will do yes
[12:39] <Laney> also don't close the bug tasks otherwise it could migrate straight back
[12:41] <seb128> good point
[12:43] <Laney> :>
[13:37] <Laney> didrocks: jibel: I got https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/zfs-grub.png just now trying with the branch
[13:37] <Laney> syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jjT4pSgnGB/
[13:59] <didrocks> interesting, this is typically zfslinux-utils which couldn't be installed
[14:01] <Laney> zfsutils-linux?
[14:01] <didrocks> zfslinux-utils
[14:02] <Laney> ok, that's a new one on me
[14:03] <didrocks> this is the zfs command line
[14:03] <didrocks> grub is using it as well
[14:03] <didrocks> (no, it's really zfsutils-linux, never know which way around)
[14:03] <Laney> ah :>
[14:04] <didrocks> but yeah, typically, it's that it couldn't be installed in the chroot for $reason
[14:04] <didrocks> and despite using the ubiquity utils, and the script exiting with 1, ubiquity doesn't fail before
[14:04] <didrocks> I wonder though, jibel and I both did multiple successful install yesterday
[14:11] <Laney> Oct  2 13:18:37 ubuntu ubiquity: mount: /target/boot/efi: /dev/vda1 already mounted on /target/boot/grub.
[14:11] <Laney> is it that?
[14:11] <Laney> I don't see anything from your script after there
[14:13] <didrocks> yeah, it seems to be it
[14:13] <didrocks> so, the efi detection is wrong (we preserve the efi) an mixed with the grub partition
[14:14] <didrocks> can you dump your disk layout, please?
[14:16] <Laney> like fdisk -l?
[14:17] <didrocks> sfdisk -l even
[14:17] <didrocks> (for gpt handling)
[14:18] <Laney> okey
[14:20] <Laney> VM is being slowwwwwwww
[14:24] <didrocks> we even used real hardware with a similar config though!
[14:25] <didrocks> bonus point if you can add a set -x to the script and rerun an install :)
[14:25] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jm6b89rkYD/
[14:26] <Laney> ok, will do that
[14:26] <didrocks> hum, I don't see an efi partition there…
[14:26] <didrocks> ohhhh, maybe since we added efi support, we didn't test without it…
[14:26] <didrocks> what is your config, straight qemu?
[14:26] <didrocks> (no efi)
[14:26] <Laney> right, its bios
[14:27] <didrocks> that may be it, let me try an install without efi with latest code
[14:29] <didrocks> once I can git clone that again
[14:30] <Laney> https://packages.home.orangesquash.org.uk/dev/ubuntu/ has it ;-)
[14:30] <didrocks> 404, just adding it as an archive (component main I guess?)
[14:30] <Laney> yeah
[14:31] <didrocks> thx, that's handy :)
[14:31] <Laney> you'll need to add my gpg key
[14:31] <didrocks> yep, is it yours or another one?
[14:31] <Laney> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys "3D0E FB95 E7B5 237F 16E8  2258 E352 D5C5 1C50 41D4"
[14:31] <didrocks> I doubt you are having your personal one signing this archive :)
[14:31] <Laney> that's me
[14:32] <didrocks> thx
[14:32] <didrocks> ah ok
[14:32] <Laney> sure I am, it's just published from my pc
[14:32] <Laney> manually
[14:32] <didrocks> ah ok, I thought you had a fancy local build farm :)
[14:32] <Laney> sadly not
[14:32] <Laney> sbuild -> reprepro include
[14:32] <Laney> it's at least inside a separate lxd
[14:32] <Laney> container
[14:35] <didrocks> got it, thanks
[14:35] <didrocks> let me see if I can reproduce here without efi
[14:37] <Laney> running with set -x now
[14:38] <Laney> cold has just decided to make itself known again...
[14:38] <Laney> brb
[14:39] <didrocks> :(
[14:43] <didrocks> Laney: confirmed
[14:43] <Laney> :>
[14:43] <didrocks> jibel: so, the efi handling broken the non efi one
[14:43] <Laney> well, ":>"
[14:43] <didrocks> sorry to not have spotted it before and retried that Laney
[14:43] <didrocks> we'll do another round with and without efi I guess :p (jibel knows more the regexp setup that I, so maybe we'll work on this together)
[14:44] <Laney> stupid users always manage to break things :p
[14:44] <Laney> good to have tested it though
[14:44] <didrocks> yeah, sad that we can't easily bake in into ubiquity tests directly without testing the whole iso
[14:45] <didrocks> this would have make this easier to spot
[14:45] <didrocks> (and yeah, stupid users, the code was *perfect*) ;)
[14:45] <Laney> indeed
[14:45] <Laney> could it be tested via preseeding on the iso smoke tests?
[14:46] <didrocks> yeah, I guess we'll need that at some point, but I don't think the infa support installing ubiquity first from a ppa
[14:47] <hellsworth> good morning
[14:47] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[14:48] <hellsworth> hi didrocks hope your day has gone well :)
[14:48] <didrocks> mostly, thanks ;) Hoping your one will be great!
[14:48] <hellsworth> me too.
[14:50] <Laney> I feel like https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/desktop/files/head:/scripts/ a script in there could add a random archive and install ubiquity from it
[14:50] <Laney> but jibel would know more
[14:50] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[15:48] <hellsworth> hi Laney :) sorry didnt' see your hi until just now
[16:40] <oSoMoN> ricotz, bug #1846371 FYI, I'm looking into it
[16:50] <jibel> Laney, thanks for testing, i'll see what's wrong with non-uefi systems
[16:51] <jibel> as for the tests we have autopilot tests which can pull ubiquity from anywhere and run an installation
[16:53] <Laney> no worries, ping me when there's a new version
[17:01] <hellsworth> ken: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tali/merge_requests/7
[17:01] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 7 in tali "snap: Update yaml to use gnome extension" [Opened]
[17:02] <hellsworth> kenvandine, ^^
[17:03] <hellsworth> kenvandine, this too: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/swell-foop/merge_requests/4
[17:03] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 4 in swell-foop "snap: Update yaml to use gnome extension" [Opened]
[17:08] <hellsworth> thanks!
[17:10] <kenvandine> hellsworth: done :)
[17:29] <oSoMoN> good evening/rest of the day everyone
[18:38] <cyphermox> jibel: hey; did you upload ubiquity 19.10.14 ?
[18:39] <cyphermox> it's not UNRELEASED in ubiquity git; but I can't find the upload
[18:43] <jibel> cyphermox, no it is not uploaded, not important enough
[18:44] <jibel> cyphermox, I was wishing zfs would be reviewed today and release all at once but there is still something to fix
[18:46] <cyphermox> jibel: ok; mind if I put it back to UNRELEASED and add a translation update then?
[19:25] <jibel> cyphermox, that's fine
[19:25] <cyphermox> oh good, cause I timed out and just did :)
[19:25] <cyphermox> err, not UNRELEASED though, but you'll want to pull from git anyway


[15:53] <Trek> is there a way to get Ubottu to say, "Please stop discussing the current topic, it's making people feel uncomfortable."  or similar
[15:56] <erUSUL> Trek: !ot is not enough  ?
[15:57] <Trek> yes, because its in -offtopic
[15:57] <Trek> :P
[15:57] <erUSUL> Trek: if it is not request a new factoid
[15:57] <erUSUL> !religion
[15:57] <tsimpson> we also have !o4o
[15:57] <erUSUL> this?
[15:57] <tsimpson> !o4o
[15:57] <tsimpson> ...
[15:58] <Trek>  !religion would possibly work...
[15:58] <Trek> and what's !o4o?
[15:58] <tsimpson> ubottu: o4o
[15:58] <erUSUL> tsimpson: owned by the bot ...
[15:58] <erUSUL> XD
[15:58] <Trek> perhaps you should do !o4o is <alias> religion   or something
[15:59] <Trek> i'm going back to -ot, i'll bother you if I have to later
[15:59] <tsimpson> !-o4o
[16:00] <Trek> wait. it aliases to !ot in -offtopic?
[16:01] <tsimpson> yep
[16:01] <Trek> *confused*
[16:03] <Trek> isn't that not useful at all?
[16:04] <tsimpson> why would you need to use the regular !ot _in_ -offtopic?
[16:04] <tsimpson> it just tells people to use -offtopic for chatter
[18:02] <guntbert> tsimpson:  it should be vice versa - !ot in #-offtopic should alias to !o4o
[18:02] <tsimpson> guntbert: that is what it is
[18:03] <guntbert> tsimpson: ah - did I misunderstand Trek? sorry then
[18:04] <tsimpson> the grammar was a bit off with what he said there


[03:13] <daftykins> racist messages being PM'd in #ubuntu - user: "rapeseed"
[03:14] <Unit193> He's gone.
[03:16] <daftykins> yes, yes i see
[09:13] <CarlFK> I could use some help in #ubunto..
[09:13] <CarlFK> ok, it got easy ;/
[09:16] <hitsujiTMO> 2 guys stiring up trouble in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic apachez and the_TORmentor
[13:01] <PedoTeddy> Hi I can't seem to speak in #ubuntu
[13:01] <PedoTeddy> == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[13:09] <k1l_> did you get banned or muted the last days?
[13:13] <PedoTeddy> not to my knowledge
[13:16] <k1l_> PedoTeddy: can you rejoin the channel #ubuntu please?
[13:17] <PedoTeddy> ok thanks it works
[13:17] <k1l_> alright
[13:48] <ikonia> "Pedo Teddy".....really


[19:39] <danann> I didn't have trouble calculating the md5. I had trouble finding the correct one to compare
[19:39] <ioria> danann, you can check the iso from the Main menu
[19:40] <Bashing-om> danann: See if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes .
[19:44] <jj_> hi
[19:45] <jj_> what are you doing all??
[19:46] <danann> back. so, f12 doesn't even respond. it gets completely frozen
[19:46] <danann> I made a video, will upload soon
[19:46] <Bashing-om> jj_: Ubuntu support. General chat is #ubuntu-oftopic :)
[19:47] <jj_> ok
[19:48] <jj_> ubuntu has cool games to download??
[19:49] <danann> ugh. it turned out to be large, will take too long to upload and there's not much to it really, other than freezing at black loading screen written Ubuntu with colored dots below
[19:50] <ioria> danann,  F6 remove quite spalsh ?
[19:50] <nuno_nunes> jj_ using repo http://www.getdeb.net/ this version this ubuntu is?
[19:51] <danann> ok will try that Ioangogo
[19:51] <danann> ops
[19:51] <danann> ioria
[19:53] <jj_> nice tnx ill try
[19:57] <jj_> byeeee tnx
[19:57] <danann> oh hey! turns out I managed to boot after realizing I was typing the "nomodeset" in the wrong place
[19:58] <nacc> danann: :)
[20:01] <fullstop> Hi all.  Where would be the right place to ask about the inclusion of a root certificate?  Does that fall more into debian-land?
[20:04] <danann> thank you all, have a great day. will have some fun now setting stuff up
[20:09] <_pash> hey, is there a way to move the bootloader onto a usb stick?
[20:09] <_pash> to only allow booting when its inserted?
[20:09] <_pash> I also have FDE
[20:10] <dontknow> _pash, i guess you have to reinstall
[20:10] <_pash> yup thats fine
[20:10] <_pash> but how can i install the bootloader on a usb and also enable FDE?
[20:10] <_pash> of the root and swap
[20:10] <bekks> Whats FDE?
[20:11] <_pash> full disk encryption
[20:11] <bekks> you can insert the stick prior installation, install, and select the stck as the target for the grub installation.
[20:11] <dontknow> _pash, you need to plug the usb in and select it when it ask installing grub
[20:12] <_pash> is that in the gui or shell install?
[20:12] <dontknow> i don't know about gui install
[20:13] <_pash> because ive done a gui installation today and selected install ubuntu on the whole disk
[20:13] <_pash> and it never asked me for the /boot device
[20:14] <dontknow> you must be select automated install or something. have no idea
[20:15] <dontknow> _pash, you want to prevent evil maid attack?
[20:15] <_pash> dontknow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall#Installation_type i selected erase disk and install
[20:15] <_pash> dontknow: yeah
[20:17] <dontknow> _pash, select "something else". it may ask your grub installation
[20:17] <dontknow> but it is better installing in text mode imo
[20:18] <dontknow> with netinstall
[20:19] <_pash> what if i just copy /boot onto that drive, then install grub on it
[20:19] <andi> Hi
[20:20] <andi> How can I put statements of a special program into a separate log with rsyslog?
[20:21] <dontknow> _pash, i don't know. but i bet you would need more than that
[20:35] <fgramos> mj
[20:37] <Humorousone> Hello
[20:37] <fgramos> hollo
[20:37] <Humorousone> I'm thinking about installing ubuntu, should I wait until 16/04?
[20:38] <fgramos> como entrar em outrocanal?
[20:38] <Humorousone> I've got the iso downloaded here
[20:38] <bekks> Humorousone: you can install 14.04 and use it until 2019.
[20:38] <jess_> 16.04 is now
[20:38] <k1l_> Humorousone: install 15.10. then upgrade from end of april to july to the 16.04
[20:38] <k1l_> jess_: no. its not released yet.
[20:38] <jess_> ubuntu mate 16.04
[20:39] <k1l_> !16.04 | jess_
[20:39] <Humorousone> also
[20:39] <jess_> i run it now
[20:39] <Humorousone> can anyone recommend a good guide to installing ubuntu alongside W10?
[20:39] <k1l_> !br | fgramos
[20:39] <bekks> !dualboot | Humorousone
[20:39] <Humorousone> bekks: <3
[20:39] <k1l_> jess_: you are running a development version. so stop telling people to run it. #ubuntu+1 for 16.04 untill the release
[20:40] <jess_> install win 10 first an leave some space foe ubuntu
[20:40] <jess_>   nk
[20:40] <Humorousone> W10 came preinstalled
[20:41] <Humorousone> Will using grub2 slow down my boot at all?
[20:41] <jess_> just kill it
[20:41] <Humorousone> as opposed to the default MS bootloader
[20:41] <k1l_> Humorousone: you need some bootloader that can switch between win and ubuntu.
[20:45] <finnigan> what channel will give me help improving my driver?
[20:45] <EriC^^> Humorousone: should be about the same
[20:46] <finnigan> my problem is that gzdoom requires opengl 3.0 better, but my version is 1.4, and adding a ppa and upgrade hasn't helped.
[20:58] <brainwash> finnigan: which gpu?
[20:59] <finnigan> what is gpu?
[20:59] <brainwash> graphics processing unit
[20:59] <ddybing> Hi. Not sure if this falls under this IRC, but I really need some help mounting a Windows drive in Ubuntu. Anyone familiar with GPT?
[21:06] <tetikci> hi
[21:07] <tetikci> #bankterminalhack?
[21:07] <tetikci> is kali pentest?#
[21:09] <tetikci> hertyuio
[21:19] <Bingo> When is next LTS release ?
[21:19] <\9> 24th
[21:19] <bekks> !16.04 | Bingo
[21:20] <Bingo> TY
[21:20] <Bingo> TY for helping .  I got my dual boot working fine.
[21:22] <Bingo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial
[21:23] <Bingo> whas dat, man?
[21:26] <Bingo> I notice Vivid 15.04 kernel stuff in my 14.04 Trusty...
[21:27] <Wicaeed> Is there any way to get apt-key to use a proxy when downloading key files?
[21:27] <Bingo> is 16,10 in October?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !hwe | Bingo
[21:28] <Umeaboy> Bingo: I suppose so.
[21:28] <Umeaboy> Hence the .10.
[21:28] <Bingo> buht the 16.10 is not lts.?
[21:28] <\9> Bingo: 16.04 is the lts
[21:28] <\9> the next lts after that will be 18.04, in 2 years
[21:28] <Bingo> otay
[21:29] <k1l_> !releases | Bingo
[21:29] <Bingo> i just install 14.04 so my 5 yrs is coming..
[21:30] <bekks> Bingo: 14.04 is support until 2019, so no 5 years anymore.
[21:32] <bekks> *supported
[21:32] <Bingo> oiy ? updates restart my pc now.
[21:32] <bekks> Bingo: Sure.
[21:38] <sector_0> is there much of a difference between xubuntu, ubuntu, lubuntu, etc?
[21:39] <sector_0> ...other than the desktop environment?
[21:39] <bekks> No.
[21:39] <\9> not particularly
[21:40] <finnigan> how do i determine my gpu?
[21:40] <k1l_> sector_0: lubuntu uses zram by default
[21:42] <sector_0> k1l_, oh ok
[21:43] <sector_0> I'm trying to pick a linux distro
[21:43] <sector_0> I've decided to go with ubuntu but now I need to choose a variant
[21:43] <bekks> Why do you _need_ to?
[21:43] <sector_0> my current setup is as follows...
[21:43] <\9> why do you need to choose*
[21:44] <\9> ?*
[21:44] <k1l_> sector_0: lubuntus focus is to run on slow and old hardware,
[21:44] <sector_0> well I don't *need* to choose, but I can't use 3 different variants simultaneously
[21:44] <bekks> sector_0: Why not?
[21:44] <k1l_> sector_0: you can
[21:45] <sector_0> bekks, k1l_ operative word: SIMULTANEOUSLY
[21:45] <\9> well you can't use all 3 at once but you can have all the desktops installed if you want to try them out
[21:45] <k1l_> sector_0: you can install the *ubuntu-desktop packages (or just the desktop environments) and choose on login screen which to use for the session
[21:45] <bekks> sector_0: And you cannot use 3 distro SIMULTANEOUSLY.
[21:46] <\9> anyway yeah lubuntu and xubuntu focus on older hardware. kubuntu is if you want the kde desktop, ubuntu mate if you want the traditional gnome 2 with a new skin
[21:47] <sector_0> \9, my current setup is: intel i7 4790k, 8GB ram, ATI radeon 7870, 120GB SSD (primary) and 1TB HDD (secondary)
[21:47] <sector_0> I'll be using it for gaming occasionally, and a lot of programming
[21:48] <\9> I guess lubuntu and xubuntu will be needlessly minimalistic then
[21:48] <k1l_> that will work with any desktop you get. so choose what looks best to you
[21:48] <\9> yeah
[21:49] <sector_0> ok then
[21:49] <k1l_> here are some: http://imgur.com/a/9iaLJ
[21:49] <sarathi-pc> hii
[21:49] <Umeaboy> sector_0: Try PuppyLinux as well. :)
[21:49] <\9> heh
[21:50] <sarathi-pc> hello
[21:51] <adrian_1908> sector_0: I'm a big fan of Xubuntu, but why not just go with the default (Ubuntu), that's always a sensible choice when it comes to features, support, etc.
[21:52] <sector_0> adrian_1908, I'm actually using xubuntu (for about 2years now)
[21:53] <adrian_1908> ah ok. I thought you were new to Linux. I didn't scroll up far.
[21:53] <sector_0> I just wanted to explore my options, now that I'm reinstalling
[21:53] <sector_0> adrian_1908, nah I didn't mention it before
[21:54] <Umeaboy> I'm using both Ubuntu and Mageia.
[21:54] <Umeaboy> :)
[21:55] <k1l_> sector_0: look at this , too. http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-kinds-of-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available
[21:58] <ouroumov> sector_0, try Ubuntu MATE
[21:58] <ShaRose> So, I've been trying to increase ulimit -n for all users for a bit of time, followed pretty much every guide I found while googling, and somehow have thusfar failed to get ubuntu to do what I want.
[22:00] <adrian_1908> sector_0: Also, if you don't mind a slight break with common DE patterns, Ubuntu GNOME (using GNOME3) might be worth a shot. I found it to look and feel very polished, but I'm a Classic Desktop kind of guy so I didn't stay with it.
[22:02] <ShaRose> Generally, the accepted answer is edit /etc/security/limits.conf (done), edit anything in /etc/security/limits.d/*.conf (weren't any there, added one myself to test), added fs.file-max to /etc/sysctl.conf (which worked, according to cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max), and made sure that session required pam_limits.so is in both /etc/pam.d/su and common-session
[22:03] <ShaRose> and of course rebooted a few times for good measure
[22:03] <ShaRose> of course, ulimit -n still returns 1024 even for root
[22:03] <sector_0> ouroumov, for a moment I thought you were shouting a response at me lol
[22:03] <ouroumov> Nope :)
[22:04] <k1l_> the issue with personal recommendations is: they are personal. i bet none of us got the same workflow as sector_0 or taste. so he will need to decide on his own :)
[22:05] <sector_0> k1l_, yeah i just need a few pointers
[22:05] <sector_0> thanks a lot guys
[22:05] <sector_0> I think I'm better equipped to make a decision
[22:12] <Humoroustwo> Hello
[22:12] <Humoroustwo> I made a whoopsie :C
[22:12] <Humoroustwo> (or at least, I think I did)
[22:13] <Humoroustwo> I installed ubuntu, but midway through the installation the live USB came loose
[22:13] <Humoroustwo> long story short after reinstalling Windows dissapeared from my Grub boot options
[22:13] <Humoroustwo> the windows bootloader is there, but I think the windows option itself is missing
[22:14] <Umeaboy> Humoroustwo: Use sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub2
[22:14] <Umeaboy> That should fix it.
[22:15] <Humoroustwo> does sudo update-grub do the same thing as sudo update-grub2?
[22:15] <rob0> unless somehow you overwrote the Windows partition, which does not sound likely from the description
[22:15] <Umeaboy> Otherwise you have to boot into recovery mode from an Ubuntu installation.
[22:15] <Humoroustwo> Yeah, I reinstalled using the 'overwrite ubuntu partition'
[22:15] <Humoroustwo> *option
[22:15] <k1l_> Humoroustwo: it works with both commands
[22:16] <Umeaboy> If you use Grub 0.97 it's better to use sudo update-grub since I believe that update-grub2 doesn't exist.
[22:16] <Umeaboy> I think it's an arch thing.
[22:16] <Umeaboy> I may be wrong thou.
[22:17] <Humoroustwo> restarting now
[22:17] <Humoroustwo> brb
[22:17] <Umeaboy> OK.
[22:22] <Umeaboy> Going to bed. Take care guys and gals.
[22:25] <Humoroustwo> back
[22:25] <Mia> Hey all, how do I download and install this http://scummvm.org/frs/scummvm/1.8.0/scummvm-1.8.0-raspberrypi.tar.gz
[22:25] <Mia> I mean in general, anything that I have link
[22:25] <Mia> I don't know the logic
[22:25] <Humoroustwo> should the windows bootloader be the only option available when doing a dual boot with windows?
[22:25] <Mia> do I just download and extract?
[22:26] <ShaRose> well, you should end up with a .img, and then you dd it to a microsd card generally is how rPi stuff goes.
[22:26] <ShaRose> oh? apparently that one isn't a .img
[22:26] <k1l_> Mia: its int the ubuntu repos. so you install that from there
[22:26] <Mia> k1l_, for this case, it is
[22:26] <Mia> but I'm asking for a general case
[22:26] <Mia> sometimes software is in tar.gz form only, and not in the repo
[22:27] <Mia> I don't know how to install them, so asking :)
[22:27] <ShaRose> Mia it has instructions in the readme actually :P
[22:27] <k1l_> Mia: you can compile programs yourself. but be aware that you lose support form ubuntu then. which means you get no updates (even no security ones) and you have to look for depencies yourself
[22:28] <Mia> hmmm
[22:28] <Mia> so .tar.gz means I need to compile myself?
[22:28] <ShaRose> you install the dependancies, and then run the binary is the gist of it
[22:28] <Mia> hmm
[22:28] <ShaRose> .tar.gz is like... .zip. it's an arcive.
[22:28] <ShaRose> archive*
[22:29] <teward> Mia: .tar.gz does not automatically imply compiling
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Humoroustwo: Both Windows and ubuntu installed onto the same hard drive ?
[22:29] <teward> Mia: for instance, I have a package that is not in the repos that I have on my machines only; it is actually a set of ten packages, which I throw in a .tar.gz (a "tarball") and then push to my servers
[22:29] <Mia> hm, so simply, I need to find and read the specific instructions for those fils?
[22:29] <teward> Mia: from there, I install the packages after unzipping it
[22:30] <Mia> I thought they're something that imply a certain way of installation
[22:30] <k1l_> Mia: yes.
[22:30] <Humoroustwo> Bashing-om, correct, it appears the windows installation is intact
[22:30] <teward> Mia: yes, a .tar.gz may be a tarball of source code, or it may be a tarball of binaries that you have to execute, or something else.  Reading a readme or instructions for that tarball/software will help determine what is actually needed to be done.
[22:30] <Mia> okay, thank you k1l_ teward ShaRose
[22:31] <Bashing-om> Humoroustwo: And with ' sudo update-grub ' is Windows "found" ?
[22:33] <Humoroustwo> "found windows boot manager"
[22:33] <drab> hi, any thoughts on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/754947/how-to-fix-no-kernel-modules-were-found
[22:33] <drab> unfortunately no answer there
[22:33] <Humoroustwo> that's all
[22:33] <Humoroustwo> https://pastee.org/2mhc9
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Humoroustwo: Well, both are known . " Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration " All I can suggest is to play around with the UEFI boot menu .
[22:37] <Humoroustwo> EUFI boot menu?
[22:37] <Humoroustwo> Bashing-om, I'm quite new to dual booting, not had to deal with uefi before ;)
[22:37] <Humoroustwo> How would I go about messing around with it?
[22:38] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Humoroustwo
[22:39] <user> aaaa
[22:40] <Humoroustwo> restarting again
[22:40] <Humoroustwo> brb
[22:45] <aelgus> user: aew fi
[22:55] <the_count> Hello! I was trying to figure out if I can speed up the time GRUP takes to load and initialize Ubuntu. As it stands, GRUB takes longer than ubuntu to load, measuring from the time the GRUB window appears to the time the Ubuntu loading screen shows, and from there till  the login screen. I have GRUB set so it will not display anything, bit it didn't seem to help
[22:56] <compdoc> dont think that happens on my systems
[22:57] <the_count> Back
[23:02] <the_count> Is anyone around? Hello! I was trying to figure out if I can speed up the time GRUP takes to load and initialize Ubuntu. As it stands, GRUB takes longer than ubuntu to load, measuring from the time the GRUB window appears to the time the Ubuntu loading screen shows, and from there till  the login screen. I have GRUB set so it will not display anything, bit it didn't seem to help
[23:03] <UserUS> you can change the grub start up programs in the grub.conf file
[23:03] <UserUS> turn off useless processes and it should speed it right up. Just know what you are turning off and on first
[23:03] <plusEV> or check your bios if you have some pxebooting that takes for ever.
[23:05] <the_count> UserUS: How would I do this?
[23:06] <Bashing-om> the_count: In the config file /etc/default/grub set "GRUB_TIMEOUT=10" to say 2 . See if that helps .
[23:06] <the_count> plusEV: No PXE booting
[23:07] <genii> the_count: I recommend Bashing-om's method. Don't forget to run sudo update-grub afterwards
[23:08] <the_count> Bashing-om: I have it set at 0, and confusing myself with why it didn't do anything. I have it set to not even display the menu to select the boot os in hopes of speeding it up, but It didn't work, I'll change it to 2 in a second
[23:08] <Jordan_U> the_count: Please pastebin your /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg .
[23:10] <the_count> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15802417/
[23:10] <UserUS> the_count: you would type "sudo nano grub.conf" and search for the start up programs. Remove the "##" symbol and place one "#" to turn something off
[23:10] <the_count> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15802419/
[23:10] <TAFB> How can I install the LATEST ffmpeg in Ubuntu 15.04? I'm trying to use "-stream_loop" but I need a new version than ffmpeg version 2.5.10 :(
[23:12] <UserUS> TAFB: did you try sudo apt-get?
[23:12] <TAFB> yep, installs super old 2.5 something
[23:12] <UserUS> what is your source for the package?
[23:12] <TAFB> no idea :(
[23:12] <Jordan_U> TAFB: Any reason you haven't upgraded to Ubuntu 15.10?
[23:12] <UserUS> mmk lemme research it for a min
[23:13] <TAFB> I'm trying  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:djcj/hybrid now
[23:13] <TAFB> supposed to be 2.8 something
[23:13] <TAFB> Jordan_U: I'm a linux noob, and these are my VPS servers, not sure I can go to 15.10 :)
[23:13] <UserUS> TAFB: here you go mate, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ffmpeg
[23:15] <TAFB> So 2.5.4 is the newest?? strange
[23:15] <TAFB> "-stream_loop" is supposed in version 2.8.2 and newer...
[23:16] <Jordan_U> TAFB: Support for 15.04 ended February 4th, so you are running insecure software, with *known but unfixed* security vulnerabilites, on your VPS, which is open to the wide ugly interwebs. I would ditxh that VPS provider.
[23:16] <the_count> Jordan_U: WHat do you think?
[23:16] <TAFB> Jordan_U: Okies, thanks. I'll ask them to upgrade me :D
[23:16] <UserUS> I'm on 14.04 LTS lol :P
[23:16] <dm_comp> hi, help http://paste.ubuntu.com/15802455/  gromit and bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gromit/+bug/1143137
[23:16] <k1l_> TAFB: running 15.04 is bad. its dead like windows vista is. either upgrade to 15.10 or use the 14.04 LTS for server which got 5 years support
[23:17] <TAFB> i hate vista
[23:18] <TAFB> UserUS: https://ffmpeg.org/download.html#release_3.0
[23:18] <TAFB> is it difficult to install that?
[23:18] <dm_comp> nothing really to go on here :(
[23:18] <Jordan_U> the_count: That should wait 2 seconds if the last boot "succeeded" (got as far as sucessfully clearing the recordfail flag) and 30 seconds otherwise.
[23:19] <UserUS> no, you need to download it, unpack it, and run the system executable after sudo chmod +x "file name"
[23:19] <TAFB> nice. The xz.tarball?
[23:20] <UserUS> yeah. there is a certain command to run it let me find it
[23:20] <UserUS> it's something like tar -xvf
[23:21] <dm_comp> I think that bug is back or it was never fixed and what i can see in the bug report i think it was never looked at
[23:21] <UserUS> nvm, if you want to manually unpack it you can use the tar command but it's easier to just extract it somehwere
[23:21] <TAFB> UserUS: it unpacked :)
[23:22] <TAFB> looks like source code
[23:23] <Jordan_U> the_count: Is that not what is happening for you?
[23:23] <avis> enjoy :D
[23:24] <UserUS> Jordan_U: no, he got it
[23:25] <the_count> Jordan_U: What I would like is if it booted Ubuntu without showing the menu unless I held down shift or something like that, and booted directly to Ubuntu without having to wait... I have a SSD, but I don't see any reason why GRUB would take three seconds longer to boot than Ubuntu does.
[23:26] <UserUS> thats what you want to do
[23:26] <UserUS> you can install something like refind to get rid of the load screen, and just see the back end codes running. but the start screen is necessary as its loading. it must show someting
[23:27] <UserUS> you can change what it shows for the loading screen, but I don't even know how to do that. if you figure it out more props to you
[23:28] <TAFB> it's compiling now :D
[23:28] <UserUS> great :)
[23:28] <the_count> UserUS: This is why I am here, because I don't have the expertise to know how to do it myself. I do know that it is loading, but I think part of that time is to wait for user input.
[23:28] <TAFB> i read the readme and install file, pretty good instructions :D
[23:28] <UserUS> the_count: all good. lemme research it
[23:29] <UserUS> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/10/grub-splash-image/
[23:29] <UserUS> its a little old but should be the same information
[23:30] <the_count> UserUS: You don't understand the problem
[23:30] <the_count> UserUS: I know how to change the appearance of GRUB
[23:30] <UserUS> the_count: so you do just want it to load faster then, am I understanding correctly?
[23:35] <Jordan_U> the_count: How much time during boot is spent in grub? How much in total? How are you determining the tine taken in grub? Is this a BIOS or UEFI based install?
[23:36] <UserUS> You can also page your HDD to run memory from the hard drive if you are willing to go beyond changing OS settings
[23:37] <adrian_1908> the_count: what are you grub settings now?
[23:37] <the_count> Jordan_U: It is about 6 seconds for grub, maybe 4 max for ubuntu. I believe it is a UEFI based install
[23:38] <UserUS> adrian_1908: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15802419/
[23:38] <the_count> adrian_1908: I posted them above warlier
[23:38] <the_count> s/warlier/earlier
[23:39] <adrian_1908> and /etc/default/grub? Maybe the settings in there introduce a waiting period.
[23:39] <Jordan_U> the_count: How are you measuring time in grub? Note that there is a period of time after the kernel has been loaded and before anything draws to the screen.
[23:40] <jake_> Hello, I have recently acquired an HP Envy 17 inch. It says on that it should get 7 - 10 hours battery life. I took windows off straight away and put Ubuntu 15.10 on there... it now gets just over 3. Is this to be expected?
[23:40] <the_count> Jordan_U: Just from how it looks, I haven't actually measured anything
[23:41] <UserUS> the_count: there might be a waiting time for splash, i'd check /etc/default/grub or "grub2"
[23:42] <TAFB> how long ffmpeg supposed to take to compile?
[23:43] <adrian_1908> the_count: My /etc/default/grub looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15802623/ (the relevant lines) and I have fast bootup. See if your settings diverge.
[23:43] <ubuntu558> Hi there, I've realized My microphone isn't working, i cannot increase the input volume either, I installed pavucontrol a week ago to get simultaneous audio ouput but just realized my mic isn't working, I've uninstalled it now, but still no mic,
[23:43] <UserUS> TAFB: Depends on your computer, and OS, but less than an hour
[23:43] <TAFB> ahhhh. thanks :D
[23:44] <UserUS> ubuntu558: roll back the driver
[23:44] <gambl0re> anyone here that can walk me through how to isntall mangodb on my ubuntu vm?
[23:44] <adrian_1908> also, use multiple threads to compile, if possible :)
[23:44] <ubuntu558> UserUS:  not exactly sure how to go about that
[23:44] <gambl0re> im using the mango docs https://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/#install-mongodb-community-edition
[23:44] <UserUS> ubuntu558: gotcha, gimme a sec mate
[23:44] <gambl0re> i dont want to f*ck it up
[23:44] <TheMarius> hp envy sounds like one sweet puter
[23:45] <Tryptich99> goats
[23:45] <the_count> Ok, so looking into disabling OS_ Prober, what would I loose?
[23:45] <UserUS> ubuntu558: also, try running sudo alsa force-reload
[23:46] <adrian_1908> the_count: you can uncomment that, not relevant to speed
[23:46] <ubuntu558> UserUS:  will try
[23:46] <gambl0re> hello?
[23:46] <adrian_1908> the_count: I only have it because I don't want Windows in there, it's on a different SDD which I boot from if instead.
[23:47] <genii> the_count: If you disable os-prober then every time there's a kernel update and update-grub runs, it will not find any operating systems
[23:47] <UserUS> http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/
[23:47] <ubuntu558> UserUS:  still nothing
[23:47] <UserUS> just replace the remove with the correct software you are removing
[23:47] <UserUS> so with pavucontrol
[23:48] <UserUS> it will install the most recent ALSA drivers and settings for your system
[23:48] <the_count> genii: Could I do it manually?
[23:48] <ubuntu558> UserUS:   I installed pavucontrol so I could have bluetooth and analog output,  then I noticed my mic not working, the only change was pavucontrol,  so I uninstalled that about ten mins ago hoping it would return things to normal
[23:49] <jake_> Is it known that switching to Ubuntu will reduce the battery life expected from a machine running Windows? I just kind of assumed it would be better... it's halved the life of it.
[23:49] <UserUS> you have to reinstall also into gnome and update it
[23:49] <UserUS> alsa
[23:50] <UserUS> the configuration was changed when you installed pavu
[23:50] <jake_> it could be because Ubuntu does't know how to switch between the dedicated graphics and the onboard to save battery
[23:50] <ubuntu558> UserUS: k i'll try
[23:50] <TAFB> WOOT! "ffmpeg version 3.0.1 Copyright (c) 2000-2016 the FFmpeg developers" finally :)
[23:50] <EriC^^> jake_: yeah if it's in fact using just the dedicated then it would shorten the battery
[23:50] <UserUS> jake_: You can change those kinds of settings mate, that's the beauty of ubuntu
[23:50] <adrian_1908> the_count: Dude, i said it shouldn't be relevant to speed. This only affect querying if you run grub update. Whether GRUB wastes time in the menu is independent of how many entries there are.
[23:50] <ubuntu558> UserUS: says alsa is already the newest version
[23:51] <UserUS> ubuntu558: great. did it reinstall, or say it was already installed?
[23:51] <adrian_1908> the_count: remove/uncomment that line and see if the other changes have an effect.
[23:51] <jake_> Where would you even begin with that? Does Ubuntu have it's own system settings for that kidn of thing or am I looking at third party tools?
[23:51] <ubuntu558> UserUS: it didn't reinstall,  just said already installed and newest version,
[23:51] <jake_> I tried installed Slackware just to compared and it went mental on uefi boot
[23:52] <jake_> I'm sure you can install it on here... but Ubuntu just worked
[23:52] <the_count> genii:: are you saying other operating systems besides my main one?
[23:52] <UserUS> ubuntu558: okay, auto-remove it, and reinstall
[23:52] <UserUS> then run the software center and check for proprietary drivers
[23:52] <UserUS> run a system update, and restart
[23:52] <ubuntu558> UserUS: command for auto-remove ?
[23:52] <UserUS> sudo auto-remove "application name"
[23:53] <the_count> adrian_1908: I have read that the prober slows down the boot process... I'm just trying to understand what it does do
[23:53] <genii> the_count: Without os-prober, grub will write an mbr without any operating systems to boot. So I'm pretty sure I don't want to help you accomplish this.
[23:54] <ubuntu558> UserUS: command auto-remove not found
[23:54] <nehaljwani> Hi, how can I fix this hostname issue: http://fpaste.org/354841/46050526/
[23:54] <UserUS> im sorry
[23:55] <UserUS> sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:55] <adrian_1908> the_count: have you verified that the other settings don't fit you problem already? You said you didn't want GRUB to wait/show unless you pressed a key. These settings should make it boot your OS fairly quickly.
[23:55] <adrian_1908> *fix your problem
[23:55] <sagik> hi
[23:55] <ubuntu558> UserUS: I should have assumed that, sorry
[23:55] <UserUS> np, I forgot lol
[23:55] <sagik> my ubuntu 14.04 crashed, looks like a kernel panic
[23:55] <sagik> i was wondering, if there's like a coredump
[23:55] <the_count> gentii: so, it detects other operating systems, so not really needed if there aren't any others, or I boot others through UEFI?
[23:55] <sagik> that was saved anywhere
[23:56] <the_count> adrian_1908: Not yet... I'm trying to work at the same time
[23:56] <genii> the_count: It doesn't "detect other operating systems" it detects ALL operating systems.
[23:56] <UserUS> nehljwani: system settings possibly and change the names?
[23:56] <gambl0re> how do i update my system?
[23:56] <nehaljwani> UserUS: where?
[23:56] <UserUS> sagik: there is always a core dump, in the home folder
[23:57] <UserUS> sagik: /home/userus
[23:57] <Bellator> Anyone have PokerStars running on trusty?
[23:57] <UserUS> sagik: then just type ls and it should have a core.### file
[23:57] <ubuntu558> UserUS: I autoremoved  alsa,  then went to reinstall but it says its already installed and the newest version ???
[23:58] <UserUS> nehalwani: top right corner, system settings
[23:58] <sagik> ls | grep core returns nothing :<
[23:58] <UserUS> about this computer*
[23:58] <TAFB> UserUS: thanks so much for the help, the new version works perfect :)
[23:58] <UserUS> TAFB: no problem mate :)
[23:59] <UserUS> ubuntu558: okay, restart first then reinstall and follow the other steps
[23:59] <the_count> gentii: So, why wouldn't disabling this disable my ability to boot at all?
[23:59] <UserUS> if you do a system update to begin with it might even just grab them becuase it notices it's not there
[23:59] <UserUS> after a reboot that is
[23:59] <genii> the_count: That is correct. Which is why it's something you don't want to be doing
[23:59] <UserUS> sagik: just cd /home/userus and type ls


[09:37] <mdke> morning all
[12:15] <nhandler> Hey mdke
[14:31] <XiXaQ> I'm trying to setup shared user accounts and following https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[14:32] <XiXaQ> however, I've tried several times, and I can't get it to work properly. Under LDAP Authentication, I'm asked to run the following command: sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
[14:32] <XiXaQ> this results in an error, saying "Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found"
[14:33] <XiXaQ> is there a bug in the documentation, or am I doing something wrong? I thought I had followed the guide step by step.
[15:06] <mdke> hi nhandler
[15:06] <mdke> XiXaQ: difficult to say, I'd suggest that you ask on a support resource and see whether someone can help you
[16:07] <nhandler> mdke: Are you the one who maintains the packaging of ubuntu-docs
[18:43] <mdke> nhandler: more or less
[18:45] <mdke> nhandler: I tend to upload the package; if there is a complicated issue I'll ask elsewhere for help though, as I'm not very good at packaging
[19:36] <nhandler> mdke: Some of the packaging files need an update (i.e. debian/copyright)
[22:08] <mdke> nhandler: yeah, there are a few lintian warnings too. if you're up for it you could do a bug+patch :)
[23:23] <j1mc> mdke: ping
[23:23] <mdke> j1mc: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[23:23] <j1mc> nice auto-reply
[23:24] <j1mc> mdke: will you be able to make the gnome-doc meeting tomorrow?