[10:18] <jonathan_> lol...i think that network-manager i told you to install is found in kcontrol ..lol
[10:18] <jonathan_> i'm sorry, it's an off day
[10:18] <stian> lol
[10:19] <stian> jonathan_: but network-manager didn't work
[10:19] <stian> so still missing something to put in the tray :(
[10:20] <stian> but now at least I can choose what network to connect to :P
[10:20] <jonathan_> hmm, well at least it's working foryou now :)
[10:20] <stian> yeah
[10:21] <wonderfulJoe> I am doing a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper; after all the magic of aptitude happened, I was left with packages that were "held back". Where do I go from here?
[10:22] <wonderfulJoe> "154 not upgraded."
[10:23] <wonderfulJoe> are my dependencies royally screwed?
[10:23] <JasonF> wonderfulJoe: try doing an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:23] <JasonF> or reinstalling ubuntu-base and kubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <wonderfulJoe> hmmm...those things didn't work
[10:24] <wonderfulJoe> apt-get dist-upgrade was what got me here
[10:25] <wonderfulJoe> and I'm not very advanced at using apt-get
[10:25] <JasonF> wonderfulJoe: did you aptitude dist-upgrade?
[10:25] <jonathan_> I'm just sitting here ticked off over this kubuntu.de thing
[10:25] <JasonF> aptitude might fix some stuff
[10:26] <JasonF> wonderfulJoe: if you aren't that advanced at "using apt-get" why are you changing to a development version of linux?
[10:26] <jpatrick> jonathan_: they have gone overboard today yes
[10:27] <wonderfulJoe> JasonF: I'd like to stay on the bleeding edge, and besides, I'd have no other motivation to learn more about apt-get
[10:27] <jonathan_> it's stupid
[10:27] <wonderfulJoe> I come from the Gentoo worlde
[10:27] <chouette> !diskmounter
[10:27] <ubotu> diskmounter is, like, to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[10:27] <alex_> http://pastebin.com/650066
[10:27] <alex_> hey, im running gonome but i cant start kde apps
[10:27] <jonathan_> jpatrick: i mean i could understand somewhat, but they are griping without showing evidence or without explaining on their irc room
[10:28] <jonathan_> and I would still like someone to tell me just what and how much do they benefit the distro?
[10:28] <jpatrick> jonathan_: I'm a developer, I don't mind not being paided
[10:29] <jonathan_> well, i do completely understand not being paid
[10:29] <jonathan_> food is important :) ....but my problem is no explaining...just griping and nothing to back it up with
[10:31] <ehjay> is there a place to leave feedback for dapper?  I just upgraded from breezy and have some feedback
[10:32] <Blippe> ehjay, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/
[10:32] <ehjay> Blippe: thanks
[10:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to leech streaming mp3 in linux?
[10:35] <DeBert> Tallia1Kubuntu: I know streamripper can do it
[10:35] <nico8481> how can i get K3B to burn audiocd's from MP3? now it seems not to recognize the format... it works ok with ogg though...
[10:35] <wonderfulJoe> TallialKubuntu: http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/
[10:36] <Vge> arrrgh
[10:36] <ehjay> Blippe: any idea where on that site to leave feedback?  As bugs?
[10:36] <wonderfulJoe> nico8481: you probably don't have mp3 codecs installed
[10:37] <wonderfulJoe> nico8481: try installing lame and you should have all the libraries you need
[10:38] <wonderfulJoe> nico8481 : K3B should automatically find mp3 codecs once they're installed and be able to use them
[10:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> DeBert: i can't use it!! since i have to log in with password and username before...
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> DeBert: is there a way to include StreamRipper in firefox?
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in this way the authentication would be used !! :)
[10:39] <paulvolk> Is there any way of changing grubs background?
[10:40] <DeBert> Tallia1Kubuntu: dunno
[10:42] <wonderfulJoe> paulvolk: interesting article: http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Change_GRUB_background
[10:42] <wonderfulJoe> paulvolk : looks like all the grub graphical stuff is a simple cpio archive
[10:42] <viator> streamripper
[10:42] <jonathan_> jpatirck are you still there
[10:43] <paulvolk> wonderfulJoe: Thanks
[10:45] <juliano> where's the pendrive's folder in kubuntu?
[10:45] <viator> you want to record rhapsody streams
[10:45] <viator> i bet
[10:46] <jindiaz> hey guys i have some questions about setting up a dula boot system, can anyone give me some straight answers for like 5 mins?
[10:47] <viator> aks'
[10:47] <viator> ask away\
[10:47] <Vge> somebody can tell why cant i use port 6667 on kernel 2.6.17, but 2.6.10 works well?
[10:48] <jindiaz> cool, ok firs thing is, after i install the kubuntu onto my main hd, does windows have a problem with reading from linux formateed hd's??
[10:48] <jindiaz> i have 4 hd's
[10:48] <viator> windows cant read linux drives
[10:48] <viator> onluss maybe its ext2
[10:49] <viator> theres a driver for windows
[10:49] <jindiaz> crapppppppppp that sucks alot....
[10:49] <viator> thats not to say you cant have a samba share
[10:50] <viator> you would have to make a pation vfat or somthing
[10:50] <jindiaz> ok well it doesnt matter i suppose, the only purpose for windows is games, and maybe photoshop.  of my 960 gb, its only getting like 50gb, the rest is linux
[10:50] <qpwoeiruty> i have used the driver at www.fs-driver.org to read EXT volumes under windows
[10:50] <qpwoeiruty> it reads EXT3 as EXT2, so it seems to force an fsck when you reboot into linux
[10:50] <viator> gpwoeiruty  does ext3 well then?
[10:51] <jindiaz> yah, but the thing is, its 4 hds internally.  so the samba share prolly wont work
[10:51] <qpwoeiruty> it reads them as EXT2, but yes it works fine
[10:51] <viator> cool
[10:52] <jindiaz> ok, so that was my first concern, second is after i have moved all my data from the other hds, how do i format them into the linux format
[10:52] <jindiaz> which i dont knoe what that is called either btwe
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> DeBert: i found another way!!
[10:52] <viator> the installer will do it
[10:52] <viator> it uses partimage
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> DeBert: once you have mplayer plugin open in firefox, just Save Page As... and the stream is downloaded.. USING log in information too :):)
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> awesome!
[10:53] <viator> a script/app to do anything you like
[10:53] <viator> think of it like partion magic
[10:53] <viator> or somthing like that
[10:53] <jindiaz> but they will be in ntfs format and have data during the install, i plan to unplug them while kubunt is being installed, and afterwards do all that moving around
[10:53] <jindiaz> the thing is, the data will be moved around alot
[10:54] <jindiaz> of the 960gb, like 800 gb is taken up
[10:54] <Vge> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/650175 <-- do i need iptables?
[10:54] <viator> youlol
[10:54] <viator> 800 gb is that movies?
[10:54] <viator> music?
[10:54] <jindiaz> nope, alllllllllllll movies are burnt, music is only 80 gb
[10:54] <viator> you already should have iptables
[10:54] <viator> whats taking up the space?
[10:55] <Vge> viator:  this is new kernel, do i need it?
[10:55] <viator> vge yes
[10:55] <viator> id get it
[10:55] <qpwoeiruty> jindiaz - how is that 960G setup - windows RAID? hardware RAID?
[10:56] <jindiaz> well i belive i pay for internet, so why pay for tv?  it "should" be all inclusive... lol.  so its all tv shows, anime, regular tc, cartoons, everything, ive turned my pc into the all inclusive machine... its beautiful
[10:56] <jindiaz> hahaha
[10:56] <jindiaz> ummmmmmmmm hardware raid i believe, i have an asus p4p800-e deluxe mobo, it supports to hda ports
[10:56] <jindiaz> so each one off the mobo goes to two hd's
[10:58] <jindiaz> but anywho, so after i set them up so linux recognizes them, which ive had to do before, it will styll be in NTFS fromat, what im wondering is, is there a format command, or GUI in kde somewhere for this purpose?
[10:59] <comrade> does kubuntu install koffice or whatever and open office?
[10:59] <jindiaz> ipen office man
[11:00] <jindiaz> it comes with it
[11:00] <qpwoeiruty> jindiaz - are you wanting to change the format without losing the data?
[11:00] <viator> you cant change a drives filetype as far as i know from ntfs to somthing else without losing data
[11:00] <jindiaz> YOU CAN DO THAT!?!?!?!?!?!
[11:00] <comrade> so no koffice then
[11:00] <viator> makefs
[11:00] <viator> doesnt work that way
[11:00] <jindiaz> yahhh i didnt think so, that would be hardcroe.  lol.  but no, ill have all the data transfered, so they will be empty ntfs drives
[11:01] <jindiaz> they just need to be formated
[11:01] <viator> if the drives are empty
[11:01] <jindiaz> into the format filesystem that linux uses
[11:01] <viator> just leave them in there
[11:01] <viator> when you install
[11:01] <viator> or you can
[11:01] <viator> afterwarsd
[11:01] <viator> use
[11:01] <viator> qtparted
[11:02] <Parkotron> jindiaz: You may want to consider
[11:02] <jindiaz> lol, well no, they will be empty after the install, because i have to do alot of file moving around after kubuntu is installed
[11:02] <qpwoeiruty> i might suggest using qtparted or cfdisk to delete the ntfs partitions
[11:02] <viator> i see
[11:02] <qpwoeiruty> and create new ones, then format
[11:02] <Vge> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1497176 <-- what "processor family" i can put to my processor, i have 386 now :/
[11:02] <qpwoeiruty> so that the partition type number is correct
[11:03] <jindiaz> ok cool, so qtparted or cfdisk, is ther a page i can read about how to properly use these commands?
[11:04] <viator> intel celeron i686
[11:05] <viator> i dont touch a vanilla kernel unless i need somthing specific that a recompile will give me
[11:05] <viator> but each to their own
[11:05] <Vge> viator: well it does, thats the point
[11:06] <viator> dont look for any serios sped increases or anything
[11:06] <Vge> i know
[11:06] <qpwoeiruty> jindiaz - they are both pretty straightforward to use
[11:06] <Vge> 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX <-- this one?
[11:07] <qpwoeiruty> if you search there are a few articles on how to use qtparted with knoppix
[11:08] <viator> weird
[11:09] <jindiaz> ok cool, so i guess its fundamenetally the same.  the thing is i just want to get it right the first time on my main pc.  this is my downgrade pc that i have linux on now and want to switch my main pc to linux as well, but need windows for games and such.  my main pc is too sexy to mess up... hahaha
[11:10] <jindiaz> its my tv, stereo, everthing in one, so sorta have to get it ryght
[11:10] <viator> those arent yours
[11:12] <jindiaz> those arenmt mine?  are yu talking to me???
[11:13] <jindiaz> hey actually one more question in regards to my vid card and monitor, i purchased them specifically for this linux switch
[11:14] <jindiaz> i bought a nvidia 6600 gt agp, cause its an agp mobo so didnt want to buy something to good ryght now, waiting on the pci conversion to like next year, but anyways, is there a gui for customizing the nvida settings???
[11:14] <jindiaz> i got nvidia cause it works well with linux
[11:14] <jindiaz> apparently
[11:14] <jindiaz> and second, the monitor is an acer 1916 widescreen, does linux have problems with widescreen support??? plz say no
[11:14] <jindiaz> hahaha
[11:15] <tarmath> it does not
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> way better than ATI, but unfortunately I've been cursed with ATI on all my latest laptops in the last 4 or so years so I don't know about the nvidia tools.
[11:15] <qpwoeiruty> jindiaz - my dell 2005fpw widescreen works perfectly
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> widescreen is fine.
[11:15] <tarmath> and generally you dont need to configure the settings, the auto detection alone should do it
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> I'm done with ATI, all my next purchases will be nvidia.  WHAT?
[11:16] <tarmath> hehe
[11:16] <qpwoeiruty> which happens to be the same number of cards that i have bought from them
[11:17] <qpwoeiruty> i keep getting fooled by reviews saying they are great
[11:17] <tarmath> ATI sucks for not making good linux drivers
[11:17] <jindiaz> hahahahahaha, yah man, i put my old ati radeon 7500 into this downgrade pc, and it wouldnt boot afterwards, had to reinstall the whole os to get it up and running again
[11:17] <jindiaz> i was so pissed
[11:17] <qpwoeiruty> nothing but problems in Linux
[11:17] <LeeJunFan> qpwoeiruty: yeah, either their drivers only work on kernels released 6 months ago, and/or they don't support half the features as well as nvidia.
[11:17] <qpwoeiruty> i have the same issues under Windows with them
[11:18] <LeeJunFan> qpwoeiruty: under windows I use the omega drivers, at least it's a little better control panel.
[11:18] <jindiaz> and hoenstly, when yu lok at the comparisson reviews online, nvidia is constantly blowing ati out of the water on price and performance ratios
[11:18] <jindiaz> like  purely based on functionality, no bias.
[11:18] <qpwoeiruty> Omega has helped, but i still get some random lockups
[11:19] <LeeJunFan> I've already got my eyes on a new sager/clevo with nvidia.
[11:19] <jindiaz> the onlyyyyyyyyyyy thing with nvidia i am finidng is they run quite hot
[11:19] <qpwoeiruty> my new thinkpad has ATI and it took me hours to get X and console framebuffer working
[11:20] <jindiaz> but have quite a high heat threshiold which is ok, but the heat production kind of sux.  im pretty anal about case temperature... so for me it was a semi issue
[11:20] <jindiaz> games have like an automatic jump of 10 degrees off the bat
[11:21] <OdyXydO> Hey guys (& girls)
[11:22] <OdyX> I'm looking for a good KDE (or QT) program to "rip" DVD's (to ogg-xvid-vorbis or better ogg-theora-vorbis).
[11:28] <jindiaz> cool, thanks again eveyone for the input on that stuff.  have a good one all.  cheers.
[11:33] <OdyX> OK. found Thoggen.
[11:33] <OdyX> Seems good.
[11:33] <OdyX> Thanks all.
[11:41] <vge> lets see if the kernel version 11 is the lucky one
[11:46] <_jeff> ey gangsters
[11:46] <_jeff> does anybody use ktorrent?
[11:47] <_jeff> ktorrenters?
[11:48] <Skrot> I used to. Why?
[11:50] <OdyX> I do.
[11:50] <OdyX> _jeff: we do use Ktorrent. What's your problem ?


[02:31] <ModelEngine> Hi there, I'm having a bit of a problem, and am in need of getting it resolved
[02:31] <ModelEngine> I will state my problem on pastebin and copy the link to here, as it is a bit of a more in-depth problem
[02:34] <ModelEngine> http://imgur.com/jkzT6uQ  http://imgur.com/u5ZaHa6  http://imgur.com/sUE8OX7
[02:34] <ModelEngine> http://pastebin.com/8YDAaZb7
[21:43] <Unit193> Welp, there go the rest.
[21:54] <Unit193> Pici: You are still not on your own account, using council.
[21:54] <Pici> oops
[21:54] <Pici> Unit193: thanks
[21:54] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:58] <Unit193> tsimpson: All not going so great?
[21:59] <tsimpson> I need to free some space
[22:22] <Unit193> Heh.


[00:02] <pleia2> doctormo: http://princessleia.com/ul/clb/ is an example of very basic docbook format for part of your command line basics class
[00:02] <pleia2> s/format/html output