[08:13] <tamacracka> the one from the adept manager is no longer working... it's not supported.
[08:13] <Edulix> I can change the view, but it doesn't get saved
[08:13] <Edulix> ok
[08:14] <dave_s> So you can get the tree view to appera Edulix?
[08:14] <stdin> tamacracka: so what's in the downloaded file ?
[08:14] <bubu1uk> tar.bz2
[08:14] <Edulix> dave_s: of course, but not by default
[08:14] <Edulix> mefisto__: I'll try that
[08:14] <mefisto__> Edulix:
[08:14] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6/doc
[08:14] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6/files
[08:14] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6/img
[08:14] <stdin> tamacracka: use pastebin
[08:14] <mefisto__> Edulix: then the Embedding tab, and move the default view you want to the top of the list
[08:15] <tamacracka> ... i would have to give you a screen shot.
[08:15] <tamacracka> there's a lot of folders
[08:15] <tamacracka> and seperate files
[08:15] <Edulix> mefisto__: thanks
[08:15] <firecrotch> Okay, I know that this question belongs on #ubuntu-server, but no one there is active... How can I set up FTP on my ubuntu server?
[08:15] <stdin> tamacracka: better still then, give me a link to download it, then I can see :)
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> !ftp | firecrotch
[08:15] <ubotu> firecrotch: FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[08:15] <tamacracka> ok!
[08:15] <dave_s> Edulix, you need to save the configuration go to settings --> save view profile
[08:15] <Edulix> tree mode rocks ;)
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that mayh help...
[08:15] <firecrotch> Okay, so I have to install ftpd first, gotcha
[08:16] <mace`> i ve problems to play mp3 files with amaroK. The songs dont start to play, there's just displayed the text for about half a secound. Any suggestions?
[08:16] <Edulix> dave_s: mefisto__ way already worked thanks anyway :)
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> rescan your collection
[08:16] <stdin> mace`: did you install mp3 support?
[08:16] <tamacracka> http://thegraveyard.org/daelstorm/nicotine-plus.php
[08:16] <tamacracka> ^ stdin
[08:16] <mace`> stdin: mh, ok i have to?
[08:16] <bubu1uk> firecrotch: choose which ftp server u want to install. one of those
[08:16] <stdin> mace`: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[08:16] <n8k99> mace you need to setup mp3 support
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracode
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> in a konsole
[08:17] <TheGateKeeper> mace`, yes install libxine-extracodecs & make sure amarok is using the xine engine
[08:17] <wolfwalker> Okay, so I entered sudo dpkg -i audacity_1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:17] <mace`> thanks stdin
[08:17] <firecrotch> Okay, installed ftpd, but I get errors: grep: /etc/inetd.conf: No such file or directory
[08:17] <firecrotch> grep: /etc/inetd.conf: No such file or directory
[08:17] <wolfwalker> It said there was no such file
[08:17] <wolfwalker> The file is on the desktop
[08:17] <mace`> TheGateKeeper:  ok thanks
[08:17] <TheGateKeeper> yw:-)
[08:17] <firecrotch> wolfwalker: are you at the desktop?
[08:17] <firecrotch> cd ~/Desktop
[08:17] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: try right-click on the deb file, then Kubuntu Package menu > Install Package
[08:17] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: sudo dpkg -i /home/username/Desktop/audacity_1.2.3b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:18] <wolfwalker> Well, my Kubuntu computer is upstairs, but yes, the file I'm trying to install it and the file is on the desktop
[08:18] <bubu1uk> or do what mefisto__ told u.
[08:18] <tamacracka> there's a debian version but im on edgy.
[08:18] <tamacracka> dunno if that makes a difference.
[08:19] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: then download debian version
[08:19] <wolfwalker> Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush
[08:19] <tamacracka> will it be compatible with edgy?... i could just download it through konsole.
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracka: what do you want to install?
[08:20] <stdin> tamacracka: "sudo python setup.py install" should work
[08:20] <tamacracka> nicontine's latest updated program
[08:20] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> oh latest, not sure
[08:20] <tamacracka> do i need to cd onto that directory?
[08:20] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: ubuntu is debian based, so deb should work.
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> wherever the deb is installed
[08:21] <tamacracka> sudo su -c 'echo "deb http://www.nicotine-plus.org/debian branch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:21] <tamacracka> sudo aptitude update
[08:21] <tamacracka> sudo aptitude install nicotine
[08:21] <tamacracka> ack >
[08:21] <tamacracka> ><
[08:21] <tamacracka> sorry
[08:21] <stdin> tamacracka: ahh, there is a repo?
[08:21] <tamacracka> debian version
[08:22] <tamacracka> i thought debian was different than egy >.>
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> there is an unofficial repo, but it should work
[08:22] <tamacracka> edgy
[08:22] <bubu1uk> edgy is just codename for ubuntu distro
[08:23] <firecrotch> I assume that now that I have ftpd installed, I have to set up an FTP user using useradd? Anything I have to be aware of?
[08:23] <stdin> tamacracka: you want to add "deb http://www.nicotine-plus.org/debian sarge main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> no, it's a code for a *release*
[08:23] <rich__> hi
[08:23] <tamacracka> stdin what's the script again to open up the sources.list?
[08:24] <stdin> tamacracka: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:24] <bubu1uk> well, that's what i wanted to say. not good talkin to too many ppl bout too many different things. u get lost in context. lol
[08:24] <rich__> is it possible to use my mic
[08:24] <wolfwalker> Okay, NOW I got the dependency list
[08:24] <rich__> is it possible to use my mic
[08:24] <tobi__> stdin: i found a package to install the lame enc for my KAudioCreator, after extract there is a Debain folder with a lot of files, any idea what i shall do to get the package installed?
[08:24] <wolfwalker> So now where do I go to get all these lovely packages I need to install?
[08:24] <tobias_> hey does anyone have experiences with warsow on kubuntu ?
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> adept >> wolfwalker...maybe
[08:25] <wolfwalker> My Kubuntu computer is not online
[08:25] <stdin> tobi__: is it source code?
[08:25] <rich__> hey
[08:25] <rich__> hey
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> you can't install offline, unless you use the CD
[08:25] <rich__> is it possible to use my mic in here
[08:25] <phobiac> Is there anything for kubuntu that can create a multi-boot cd?
[08:25] <tamacracka> branch?!?!
[08:25] <tobias_> no i think there is something like executables
[08:26] <tamacracka> i mean
[08:26] <tamacracka> sarge?
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> rich__: yes
[08:26] <tamacracka> isn't branch?
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> phobiac: multi-boot?
[08:26] <BluesKaj> wolfwalker, what sort of connection are you trying to establish , dhcp with a dsl modem or router ?
[08:26] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u'll have to search for them. but dont forget to check proper versions.
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracka: you can use sarge repos in ubuntu
[08:26] <stdin> tamacracka: you are supposed to replace "branch" with your distro, just use sarge tho
[08:26] <tamacracka> oh ok
[08:27] <tamacracka> then sudo apt-get nicotine yes?
[08:27] <phobiac> Admiral_Chicago: Where you burn more then one .iso to a CD or DVD but it has something not unlike a bootloader that allows you to decide which .iso to run.
[08:27] <stdin> tamacracka: yeah
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> phobiac: oh i see, i'm not sure
[08:27] <tamacracka> i dont think it's installing the right one.
[08:27] <wolfwalker> How many versions are there, and how do I know I'm getting the correct one?
[08:28] <stdin> tamacracka: have you updated the package list yet?
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracka: it will install the latest one
[08:28] <tamacracka> i just opened the nicotine
[08:28] <tamacracka> and it's still 1.2.4
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get update
[08:29] <tamacracka> yeah doin it right now :P
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-cache show nicotine
[08:29] <BluesKaj> !nicotine
[08:29] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> it'll be >1.2.4. i think
[08:29] <tamacracka> oh for edgy it's 1.2.4
[08:29] <tamacracka> ok ok
[08:29] <stdin> it'll be  1.2.6
[08:29] <tamacracka> so 1.2.6 isn't for edgy then
[08:30] <stdin> no, 1.2.6 it the one in the repo you put in
[08:30] <tamacracka> i know ><
[08:30] <tamacracka> but i still have 1.2.4
[08:30] <tamacracka> could it be because it's downloading the edgy file
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the default it will update it
[08:30] <brett__> the sound stopped working on the videos on webpages. It still works in my games. Can someone help me troubleshoot it?
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> apt-cache show nicotine says what version?!?
[08:30] <stdin> tamacracka: did you run "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[08:30] <tamacracka> oh no...
[08:31] <tamacracka> hold on
[08:31] <wolfwalker> Okay, when I save a simple text file to this flash drive from my kubuntu computer, my XP computer won't read it from the flash drive
[08:31] <wolfwalker> It considers the drive empty
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> wolfwalker: does it have an extension.
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> like .txt
[08:32] <wolfwalker> .txt
[08:32] <wolfwalker> Yes
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, okay. it may not be saving properly
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure how to help on that
[08:32] <phobiac>  Do you have view hidden files and folders enabled in the windows computer?
[08:32] <tobi__> i found a package to install the lame enc for my KAudioCreator, after extract there is a Debain folder with a lot of files, any idea what i shall do to get the package installed? PLease help me ...
[08:34] <ravermeister>  hello can anybody tell me where i can find the Storage media.desktop in my filesystem?
[08:34] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Do you have view hidden files and folders enabled on the windows computer?
[08:34] <wolfwalker> Yup
[08:34] <wolfwalker> And besides, why would a text file be hidden?
[08:34] <ravermeister> its the one you can see when you open konqueror with system:/
[08:35] <wolfwalker> But yeah, I toggled all hidden files visible
[08:35] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Just a guess
[08:35] <boggystudios_> would a broadcom wireless card keep a kubuntu install disc from loading?
[08:35] <wolfwalker> Format for this flash drive is FAT32
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> ravermeister: /media
[08:35] <wolfwalker> Kubuntu should be able to write to that.......... yes?
[08:35] <ravermeister> no
[08:35] <stdin> tobi__: if it's source code then you need to install "build-essential" first, then run (from the source dir) "sudo debian/rules binary" that should make a .deb file
[08:35] <phobiac> Yes it should
[08:35] <ravermeister> thats the location where it points to
[08:36] <mario> hola! algun canal en espaol?
[08:36] <ravermeister> its a link, a .desktop file from kde
[08:36] <wolfwalker> It sure can read from it
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | mario
[08:36] <ubotu> mario: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:36] <ravermeister> and it points since kde3.5 to /media
[08:36] <ravermeister> i want to edit it to media:/
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> og you want media://
[08:36] <ravermeister> but i can't find the .desktop file
[08:36] <wolfwalker> lol
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> in Konqueror I think
[08:36] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Are you removing the drive safely?
[08:37] <mario> :) tanks
[08:37] <wolfwalker> Define safely
[08:37] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: remove safely.
[08:37] <phobiac> When you have something mounted in kubuntu, if you right click on it's icon on the desktop you have the option to safely remove or something similar.
[08:37] <wolfwalker> How do you do that? I'm used to Windows hotplugables, just take it out when it's through writing the file
[08:37] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: a.k.a. umount it first. (right click on drive icon and choose safe remove)
[08:38] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u should do that on win machine too
[08:38] <phobiac> Yeah you should
[08:38] <wolfwalker> I'm just used to taking the drive out
[08:38] <wolfwalker> I don't know anything about removing it safely
[08:38] <phobiac> It prevents issues with something using the drive while you take it out.
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Yeah, I wait until the light on the flash drive stops strobing
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Indicating it is done writing to the flash drive
[08:39] <phobiac> Okay, well now you do know. Try it out and see if it works.
[08:39] <ravermeister> hmm im searching thrugh /usr/share
[08:39] <ravermeister> but cant find anythinh
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Did I ever mention how much of a linux newb I am?
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Going back to try again...........
[08:39] <I-04> hey guys, how do i "lock" a package in Adept? meaning, prevent it from updating to a newer version?
[08:39] <phobiac> wolfwalker: It's okay. You should be doing it in windows too however.
[08:40] <stdin> I-04: you can't in adept
[08:40] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: but that means u'r new to windows too. lol
[08:40] <I-04> stdin: is there any other way?
[08:40] <I-04> stdin: i know there's aptitude hold
[08:40] <I-04> but adept still tried to update
[08:40] <I-04> or tries, rather
[08:41] <stdin> I-04: adept usually ignores aptitude
[08:41] <I-04> yeah, it seems so
[08:41] <stdin> I-04: I know you can do it in synaptic, but not adept
[08:41] <I-04> is there any other solution?
[08:41] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:41] <tamacracka> it didn't upgrage ><
[08:41] <I-04> yes, synaptic locks it
[08:41] <tamacracka> maybe it's not meant to update cuz im on edgy?
[08:41] <stdin> I-04: use synaptic, that's what I use
[08:42] <I-04> but im kind of migrating to kde now
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> ravermeister: what are you tying to do
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> please tell me in detail
[08:42] <wolfwalker> No, I'm NOT new to Windows
[08:42] <I-04> stdin:  wasnt gonna mix anything gnome-related to kde. is there any other way?
[08:42] <I-04> i wasn't*
[08:43] <tamacracka> oh wait.. adept says it's upgradable now
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Anyway
[08:43] <wolfwalker> This is what I got when I tried to install Audacity
[08:43] <ravermeister> thx have done it, it is in /usr/share/apps/systemview/
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Selecting previously deselected package audacity.
[08:43] <wolfwalker> (Reading database ... 79110 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Unpacking audacity (from .../audacity_1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[08:43] <wolfwalker> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of audacity:
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity depends on libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b); however:
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Package libid3tag0 is not installed.
[08:43] <ravermeister> and then media.desktop
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity depends on libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b); however:
[08:43] <stdin> I-04: nope, not that I know of, you could ask in KDE if there is a way
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Package libmad0 is not installed.
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity depends on libwxgtk2.4-1 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>.1ubuntu2); however:
[08:43] <ravermeister> i want to change the link
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Package libwxgtk2.4-1 is not installed.
[08:43] <wolfwalker> dpkg: error processing audacity (--install):
[08:43] <wolfwalker> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:43] <ravermeister> from /media to media:/
[08:43] <ravermeister> :)
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity
[08:43] <Lynoure> !pastebin | wolfwalker
[08:43] <ubotu> wolfwalker: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ravermeister: which link?
[08:43] <I-04> actually, is it safe to remove adept, and just aptitude?'
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Pastebin?
[08:43] <wolfwalker> That's a good idea, actually
[08:43] <tamacracka> ack... when trying to apply upgrades i get this error: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[08:44] <marco1> zougadeath
[08:44] <ravermeister> this one --> usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop
[08:44] <ravermeister> this one --> /usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop
[08:44] <stdin> I-04: depends what you mean by safe :P, but you can use aptitude if you want, without removing adept
[08:44] <ravermeister> if you open it with an editor yu can change the link value
[08:44] <I-04> stdin: that annoying tray icon pops up all the time, telling me there's an update :\
[08:45] <wolfwalker> So where do I look for these dependency files?
[08:45] <ravermeister> and then when you type system:/ and click on the .desktop file it gets to the new link value
[08:45] <I-04> stdin: my problem is, i compiled gaim 2.0beta5 from source, but adept thinks the repo version (1.5) is newer
[08:45] <wolfwalker> Like libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b)
[08:45] <wolfwalker> Where do I find these?
[08:45] <stdin> I-04: you can ask in #kde if adept will listen to something, it may listen to dselect
[08:45] <I-04> stdin: thanks, i will do that
[08:45] <stdin> I-04: why don't you just make a deb from the source?
[08:46] <kimmern> Hey! My machine has two partitions..i've installed kubuntu on one of them, but how do i get to see the content on the other one?
[08:46] <phobiac> kimmern: Mount the partition
[08:46] <stdin> I-04: I use "checkinstall" to make debs from source, then adept (or whatever) won't try to upgrade it
[08:47] <stdin> I-04: or you can remove gaim with adept, then install from source again
[08:47] <I-04> stdin: thats what i did, actually
[08:47] <wolfwalker> Oh by the way, unmounting the flash drive resolved my (stupid, idiot-spawned) problem
[08:47] <wolfwalker> I TOLD you I'm a newb :P
[08:48] <phobiac> wolfwalker: As long as it's working now :P
[08:48] <wolfwalker> So where do I find these dependency files?
[08:48] <wolfwalker> Google was no help
[08:48] <I-04> stdin: i installed dapper, then compiled gaim
[08:48] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:48] <I-04> stdin: you might be using edgy
[08:48] <phobiac> wolfwalker: What are you using to download audacity?
[08:48] <tamacracka> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1594/ <- when you have a chance
[08:48] <kimmern> phobiac: and excactly what do i type?
[08:49] <wolfwalker> What OS? Windows XP. Downloaded it as a .deb file and transfered it to my Kubuntu computer with the flash drive
[08:49] <stdin> I-04: it doesn't matter, you can specify the version number with checkinstall, then adept won't try to upgrade
[08:49] <phobiac> kimmern: Do you know the paritions location? Like hda1 or something?
[08:49] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Wait, there's a command in apt-get for this.
[08:50] <wolfwalker> My Kubuntu computer is not online
[08:50] <wolfwalker> So apt-get would not be of any help
[08:50] <wolfwalker> I think.............
[08:50] <stdin> tamacracka: what version of kubuntu are you using ?
[08:50] <phobiac> You'll need to be online to get those dependencies unless you want to install them manually.
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Yesh
[08:51] <phobiac> Which would be time consuming.
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Install manually
[08:51] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:51] <sorush20> is there an automatic background changer anywhere ?
[08:51] <tamacracka> i think i got it
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Better than hauling the computer and all its junk downstairs and reorienting the internet connection
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Right?
[08:51] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Probably not
[08:51] <wolfwalker> .......
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Okay
[08:51] <tamacracka> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1597/
[08:51] <tamacracka> is everything lookin right?
[08:52] <stdin> sorush20: System Settings -> Desktop -> Slideshow
[08:52] <tamacracka> from 1.2.4. to 1.2.6
[08:52] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Hold on
[08:52] <wolfwalker> So I take the computer, monitor, mouse and keyboard downstairs, shut down this Windows computer, switch the modem to my Kubuntu computer, reinitialize the modem, turn the computer on
[08:52] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: get a longer cable
[08:52] <stdin> tamacracka: try it
[08:52] <wolfwalker> So now where do I go, Adept?
[08:52] <tamacracka> ok
[08:53] <dope> is there a bittorent client that's all comandline?
[08:53] <wolfwalker> mefisto: I'd have to get a router too, unless I just keep switching cables out
[08:53] <spitwise> btdownloadcurses
[08:53] <phobiac> wolfwalker: There's about 15 or so depencies, which could be dependent on other things. You could end up working for a few hours if you wanted to do it manually.
[08:53] <phobiac> dependcies*
[08:53] <spitwise> bittornado i think is the package name dope
[08:53] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u can just switch cables if u dont want to be online with linux.
[08:53] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: I mean as an alternative to hauling everything downstairs
[08:54] <wolfwalker> Ah
[08:54] <tamacracka> ::crosses fingers::
[08:54] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: just to update/install stuff and then unplug.
[08:54] <wolfwalker> That would be a mightly looooooooooong cable
[08:54] <dope> ah ok coo coo and is there anything that works as well as peerguardian2 but for linux?
[08:54] <tamacracka> wooooooooot
[08:54] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:54] <tamacracka> thank you again my friend :P
[08:54] <spitwise> i dunno that app
[08:54] <wolfwalker> So I take the computer, monitor, mouse and keyboard downstairs, shut down this Windows computer, switch the modem to my Kubuntu computer, reinitialize the modem, turn the computer on
[08:54] <stdin> dope: yeah, it's rtorrent (that's only one of them)
[08:54] <wolfwalker> So now I'm online on my Kub computer
[08:54] <wolfwalker> So now what?
[08:54] <wolfwalker> Objective is to install Audacity
[08:55] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Open up adept, type audacity in, and install the package.
[08:55] <wolfwalker> ..................
[08:55] <wolfwalker> Just like that?
[08:55] <phobiac> Yes
[08:55] <wolfwalker> ...............
[08:55] <wolfwalker> .............................................
[08:55] <phobiac> You might need to enable your repositories first
[08:55] <phobiac> wolfwalker: If you don't understand something ask, don't spam with dots.
[08:55] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: installing stuff is normally very easy in kubuntu
[08:56] <wolfwalker> Where can you get a really, really, REALLY long usb cable?
[08:56] <e1> hi i'm trying to install wine with budgetdedicated.com repo, it said i need key, where do i get this key from, google didn't help
[08:57] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: a long usb cable probably won't work for your modem
[08:57] <wolfwalker> Data flow conflicts?
[08:57] <wolfwalker> How long can it be?
[08:57] <phobiac> wolfwalker: What about just switching the haddrives?
[08:57] <sorush20> how do I stop that silly download pupon when I use konqueror
[08:57] <wolfwalker> Switching the hard drives?
[08:58] <Yeti_69> !french
[08:58] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:58] <wolfwalker> Surely you jest. I don't even know how to install ram
[08:58] <stdin> I-04: so adept can't do it
[08:58] <phobiac> Yeah, take the one from the upstairs computer and put it in the downstairs one.
[08:58] <I-04> stdin: yeah, he could have said that in the first place.
[08:59] <stdin> I-04: use checkinstall to make a deb, and make the version higher than the one adept wants to install
[08:59] <wolfwalker> I'll just haul the computer downstairs to the modem tomorrow sometime and go shopping for programs
[08:59] <stdin> I-04: then adept will stop bi**hing about it :P
[08:59] <I-04> stdin: thats the thing. the version i have installed IS higher
[08:59] <mefisto__> phobiac: he would need more than just the harddrive
[08:59] <wolfwalker> While I'm hauling it, any suggestions for really good audio-nut programs?
[08:59] <I-04> the repo version is gaim 1.5, the compiled one is 2.0 beta 5
[08:59] <stdin> I-04: make the version for the deb, not the actual source version
[09:00] <I-04> stdin, how do i do that?
[09:00] <sorush20> I want to stop the progress dialogue in konqueror when it downloads something.. is there any way that I could do this/
[09:00] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: ardour
[09:00] <wolfwalker> And it does what?
[09:00] <stdin> I-04: in the source tree do "sudo checkinstall"
[09:00] <I-04> right
[09:01] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: multitrack recording
[09:01] <waylandbill> I-04. The other way is to install the program with apt-get and then get the source and install it so it overwrites the files. Problem solved.
[09:01] <boggystudios_> ardour.org
[09:01] <I-04> stdin: is there a way to automate the process
[09:01] <wolfwalker> mefisto__: Better than Audacity?
[09:01] <unclemike> ? isent /hda5 supose to be ext3 /..6.10 is showing it /dev /hda5 ? /      UUID=adc ext3 /
[09:01] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: yes, but not as simple of course
[09:01] <I-04> checkinstall -v or something for version
[09:01] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: have you used cubase?
[09:01] <bubu1uk> mefisto__: better than audacious?
[09:01] <wolfwalker> Well that's one reason I like Audacity
[09:01] <stdin> I-04: not really no, just press 3 to change the version to 2.0 go from there
[09:02] <wolfwalker> cubase costs
[09:02] <wolfwalker> I'm strictly freeware
[09:02] <I-04> ok
[09:02] <mefisto__> ardour is free
[09:02] <I-04> stdin: thanks
[09:02] <wolfwalker> Any other suggestions for a music twiddler?
[09:02] <wolfwalker> Audio cd burner? Format converter?
[09:02] <stdin> I-04: let me know if it works :)
[09:03] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: you should have that already
[09:03] <wolfwalker> CD ripper?
[09:03] <I-04> stdin: will do, i'll have to try it later, though. im not at my home pc at the moment
[09:03] <wolfwalker> I do?
[09:03] <wolfwalker> Oh, that
[09:03] <stdin> I-04: I'll probably be here all night :P
[09:03] <wolfwalker> Will the in-house cd burner burn without leaving (*&%*(^&@#&*($^ gaps on my concert cds?
[09:03] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: k3b for burning
[09:03] <I-04> stdin, cool heh, thanks for the help!
[09:03] <wolfwalker> Yeah, k3b. Will it burn gapless?
[09:03] <stdin> I-04: no problem
[09:04] <I-04> wolfwalker, yes it will
[09:04] <mefisto__> you mean audio gaps?
[09:04] <wolfwalker> I mean the one-tenth second to sometimes as much as two second gap that most freeware CD burn programs leave between tracks
[09:05] <I-04> wolfwalker, it's gapless by default, afaik
[09:05] <wolfwalker> As a registered, card-carrying music nut, it drives me straight up the wall
[09:05] <wolfwalker> afaik?
[09:05] <I-04> as far as i know
[09:05] <wolfwalker> Ah
[09:05] <wolfwalker> T'anks
[09:05] <extern> I always keep forgetting, what is the command for listing all file systems on my hdd?
[09:05] <bubu1uk> extern: df?
[09:06] <wolfwalker> Thanks to all
[09:06] <wolfwalker> I'll just haul the computer then
[09:06] <wolfwalker> Ciao for now
[09:06] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: this was my experience: k3b does make things gapless, but playing the cd with kaffeine, etc always has a slight pause when changing to the next track
[09:06] <extern> no, I need it to list all file systems that there are on my hdd
[09:06] <wolfwalker> I shall return shortly, with more annoying newbie questions
[09:06] <extern> there was some command with -l option to it
[09:06] <wolfwalker> Oh, testing the cd is easy. Just put it in my cd player
[09:06] <extern> the program was actually disk partitioner
[09:07] <JosefK> extern: mount | grep /dev/*d* ?
[09:07] <phobiac> extern: qtparted?
[09:07] <JosefK> fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[09:07] <extern> yes
[09:07] <extern> that's the one
[09:07] <JosefK> has to be run as root though
[09:08] <klees> i'm having problems with conky (1.4.5) where the background is black
[09:08] <klees> anyone has any ideas?
[09:08] <stdin> JosefK: depends if he's in the "disk" group
[09:08] <klees> i have own_window_transparent yes
[09:08] <JosefK> stdin: ah, didn't know that - thanks
[09:09] <mefisto__> klees: View, configure background?
[09:09] <stdin> JosefK: heh :)
[09:09] <klees> mefisto__: i don't understand
[09:09] <mefisto__> view menu
[09:09] <JosefK> stdin: although, if 'disk' has write access too, I'm guessing that's a group less than frequently used? :)
[09:10] <mefisto__> klees: are you talking about konqueror?
[09:10] <klees> mefisto__: conky
[09:10] <stdin> JosefK: it's default for the user made at install
[09:10] <JosefK> stdin: doesn't seem to be here :/
[09:10] <tobi__> any idea, which window-manager looks like OS ?
[09:10] <mefisto__> klees: sorry I don't know conky
[09:11] <JosefK> stdin: nope, user made during install and 'disk' not in 'groups''
[09:11] <klees> does anyone have conky experience???
[09:11] <Kyral> I do
[09:11] <Kyral> whats up?
[09:12] <stdin> JosefK: it's always been default for me, maybe because I use the alternate cd, but I've always been in "6(disk)"
[09:12] <Kyral> Conky + Fluxbox == Sexy
[09:12] <klees> Kyral: i can't seem to enable transparency
[09:12] <klees> Kyral: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1599/
[09:12] <JosefK> stdin: ah, that sounds about right, the alternate cd hung on this box so I had to use the live cd installer
[09:13] <stdin> JosefK: I always use the alternate one, not because I can't use the live cd, just because I like to be able to configure everything before the 1st boot :)
[09:13] <Kyral> klees: http://conky.sourceforge.net/faq.html Look at 5, have you tried that?
[09:14] <Kyral> (Keep in mind I have never used Conky with KDE, only Fluxbox)
[09:14] <klees> Kyral: =(
[09:14] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know of any kubuntu software packages for drive sanitizing?
[09:14] <Kyral> sanitzing?
[09:14] <firecrotch> can anyone help me set up an FTP server?
[09:15] <Kyral> like erasing completely?
[09:15] <Kyral> like so completely its impossible to recover?
[09:15] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: ?
[09:15] <amigrave> chavo: I made some test with some image viewer concerning the chat we had, and I can't tell you that kview is more than 2 times slower than qwenview for rendering a 2Mo jpg. And some times ago my tests showed that kuickshow was faster than gwenview. I guess kubuntu will lack a fast & light image viewer.
[09:16] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: yes
[09:16] <extern> is Eclipse working for anyone?
[09:16] <firecrotch> I tried installing proftpd, but couldn't figure out how to set up FTP users
[09:16] <amigrave> chavo: s/I can't tell/I can tell/
[09:16] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: Mkay...I shall tell you
[09:16] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: But be aware...this will fsck up the HD and to recover you'll need a FULL repartition
[09:16] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: PM?
[09:16] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: sure
[09:17] <Kyral> ( I don't want someone to see this and go "OOO! Good Idea! *****!!"
[09:17] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: lol, np
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: lol, apparently i cant type back to you in the pm
[09:19] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: is your Nick registered with NickServ?
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> no
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> not yet
[09:19] <Kyral> !register
[09:19] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:19] <Kyral> Thats why
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok.
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> yes, it seems simple enough, but just to clarify
[09:20] <mefisto__> Kyral: tell us all how to erase our disks
[09:20] <Kyral> use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero to **** it up :D
[09:20] <xenophile7x7> by 'fsck up the HD' you just mean destroying all the data correct? ill still be able to repartition and reformat?
[09:20] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: yah
[09:20] <Kyral> Its scary how much rope Linux gives you to hang yourself sometimes :D
[09:20] <malik_> whats the difference between firefox from mopzilla website and the one from ubuntu repos?
[09:20] <Kyral> This is why the root is scared
[09:20] <Kyral> err
[09:20] <Kyral> scacred
[09:20] <Kyral> whatever
[09:21] <I-04> stdin: it worked, and there is also a way to automatically set the version. sudo checkinstall --pkgversion=<version>
[09:21] <n8k99> malik_ ubuntu specific security fixes
[09:21] <xenophile7x7> lol, tis a nifty little command though
[09:21] <xenophile7x7> ill def. be keepin it in mind
[09:21] <stdin> I-04: ahh, I'll have to read the man page more :P
[09:21] <Kyral> dd is also great for making ISO Images
[09:21] <michel_> Uptime: 2 hours and 41 minutes
[09:21] <I-04> stdin: yep, found it in there
[09:21] <Kyral> which because I'm in a good mood, shall tell you all! :D
[09:22] <Kyral> dd if=/dev/<your cd drive> of=/path/to/new/ISO
[09:22] <Kyral> just hit that and let fly
[09:22] <Kyral> Don't even need root
[09:22] <malik_> oki thanx
[09:22] <stdin> I-04: so adept now sees that you have v2.0 installed?
[09:23] <xenophile7x7> whats the diff between dev/zero and dev/random?
[09:23] <I-04> stdin: yes, it stopped complaining
[09:23] <Kyral> /dev/zero produces an endless stream of 0s
[09:23] <mefisto__> Kyral: is the if and of in that command "input file" and "output file"?
[09:23] <Kyral> mefisto__: yup
[09:24] <stdin> xenophile7x7: /dev/zero just outputs a load of "0" /dev/random makes random characters
[09:24] <Kyral> /dev/random (and /dev/urandom) produce random ****
[09:24] <stdin> I-04: great, where there is a will (and a linux app) there is a way :P
[09:24] <__mikem> xenophile7x7 whats the difference between the number 0 and a random number
[09:24] <Kyral> __mikem: not a random NUMBER
[09:24] <Kyral> a random peice of ANYTHING
[09:24] <BluesKaj> dd ? for iso ..what's dd?
[09:24] <Kyral> dd == disk dump or something
[09:24] <xenophile7x7> either one would suffice then
[09:24] <I-04> stdin: yesir, thanks for the help!
[09:25] <xenophile7x7> just wanted to clarify, ty
[09:25] <stdin> I-04: no problem, glad it works :)
[09:25] <mefisto__> does anyone know anything about the moto4lin program?
[09:25] <Kyral> and before someone asks, /dev/random waits for enough entropy in the system before giving random data, while /dev/urandom gives pseudorandom data instantly
[09:27] <Kyral> Dontcha love Linux :D
[09:27] <xenophile7x7> a little bit more every time i use it
[09:27] <xenophile7x7> now if i could just choose a distro....
[09:27] <stdin> just make your own :P
[09:27] <Kyral> *Duck and COVER!*
[09:28] <Kyral> Personlly I like ArchLinux right now
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> haha, dont quite know enough to do that yet
[09:28] <Kyral> though I run Debian on my server (coupled with Xen)
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> the *buntu's seem simple enough for now, until i get a bit mroe comfortable with it
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> then i need to figure out what to run for a server/client
[09:28] <stdin> try Linux From Scratch, if you're up for a challenge like no other :)
[09:28] <andrei> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[09:29] <andrei> liniste
[09:29] <Kyral> Slackware -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Fedora -> SuSE -> ArchLinux
[09:29] <Kyral> I have tried LFS like 5 times
[09:29] <Kyral> Failed each time to an unsolvable compiler error
[09:30] <Kyral> I have played with FreeBSD and the HURD
[09:30] <firecrotch> I have ProFTPd running, how do I create a user that has access to only a specific directory?
[09:30] <Kyral> firecrotch: Well, first I'd make an FTP user
[09:30] <Kyral> and then set the ProFTPd "homedir" to the FTP user's homedir :D
[09:30] <dope> is it a bad idea to install the nvidia display drivers from the recover console?
[09:30] <Kyral> dope: Nope...
[09:31] <firecrotch> Kyral, how do I create an FTP user? I'm completely new to setting up FTP
[09:31] <Kyral> (The "Recover Console" is mearly Single User Mode
[09:31] <Kyral> firecrotch: How do you make any other user?
[09:31] <dope> ok, when i tried to do it last time it said i was at level 1 and i should use level 3
[09:31] <torsten_> hy,kann mir jemand erklren wie ich kmail  die zusammenarbeit mit kwallet unterbinde?
[09:31] <Rob-West> whats a good linux partition tool
[09:31] <Kyral> Rob-West: GUI or console?
[09:31] <Rob-West> GYU
[09:31] <Rob-West> GUI*
[09:31] <stdin> Rob-West: GParted
[09:31] <Kyral> Rob-West: GParted/QtParted
[09:31] <firecrotch> useradd ... but how do I set up the user to a) only be able to use ftp and b) actually be allowed to use FTP
[09:32] <Kyral> firecrotch: Do you mean the user people will login as via FTP?
[09:32] <firecrotch> Yes
[09:32] <dope> yea, it says i'm at runlevel 1 and that it's recommended to use runlevel 3
[09:32] <Kyral> firecrotch: Hell if I know I have never setup FTP :D
[09:32] <Kyral> SFTP FTW
[09:33] <Kyral> dope: Hmm, then reboot to normal mode, kill KDM, login and do it from the console :D
[09:33] <dope> i can't
[09:33] <Rob-West> thanks
[09:33] <dope> when i kill KDM my screen is just black
[09:33] <firecrotch> If it's any help to anyone, I also have webmin installed :\
[09:33] <Kyral> dope: CTRL+ALT+F1 first :D
[09:33] <fxr> hey.. what package do i find this in "terminal management library for readline"
[09:33] <dope> tried it
[09:33] <dope> still nothing
[09:34] <dope> i've been having a problem with the xserver just resetting
[09:34] <dope> i think that's what's happening
[09:34] <BluesKaj> what is nicotine , exactly ...a file sharing or chat or both?
[09:34] <dope> i'll just have it sitting there looking at the desktop and then screen goes black and the nvidia logo appears and back to the login screen
[09:34] <firecrotch> !nicotine
[09:34] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[09:35] <BluesKaj> firecrotch, already did that but doesn't really tell me much , but thanks anyway :)
[09:35] <Valmarko> My graphics card is ati radeon. Xorg,con has 'ati' instead of 'radeon' . Should I change the driver to radeon ?
[09:36] <firecrotch> BluedKaj, well it seems to me that it's just file sharing
[09:36] <BluesKaj> right
[09:36] <Kyral> Valmarko: If you have the radeon drivers installed
[09:36] <dope> Valmarko, if it ain't broke don't fix it
[09:36] <Rob-West> i cant repartition in linux
[09:36] <ryy> Hi, I am linux n00b. I was wondering if someone could help me with an internet connection question.
[09:36] <Valmarko> right. tnks
[09:36] <BluesKaj> Valmarko, http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[09:36] <firecrotch> ryy, what's your question?
[09:37] <stdin> Rob-West: not if you are using the disk, no
[09:37] <ryy> Hi,
[09:37] <ryy> I have a regular DSL connection.  I always try to turn on the router before turning on the computer.  Because if I boot to the desktop before turning on either the router or modem I have to reboot the computer.  Is there a way for me to establish Internet connection after I boot the computer?
[09:37] <stdin> !gparted | Rob-West
[09:37] <ubotu> Rob-West: gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:37] <stdin> Rob-West: use the live cd, or the K/Ubuntu Live CD
[09:37] <Rob-West> i got it
[09:37] <Valmarko> the driver came with kubuntu. I guess its open source
[09:37] <Rob-West> im running Ubuntu hard drive install
[09:38] <BluesKaj> ryy, just leave your router on at all times
[09:38] <firecrotch> ryy, what about just leaving the router on all the time?
[09:38] <Rob-West> but i wanna install a second linux distro
[09:38] <kimmern> what do i type to exit x-server?
[09:38] <firecrotch> BluesKaj, GMTA :)
[09:38] <Kyral> Rob-West: You can't repartition a mounted drive
[09:38] <Rob-West> damn it
[09:38] <Kyral> Hence LiveCD :D
[09:38] <dope> Rob-West, use the gparted live cd
[09:39] <ryy> It really isn't my home so I don't wanna do that.  Everyone else uses Windows and they don't have this problem.
[09:39] <dope> Rob-West: google around for it. it worked for me
[09:39] <Rob-West> i already have a Ubuntu live CD
[09:39] <BluesKaj> dunno why ppl turn their routers off, since the maker usually tries to update firmware when it sees the pc disconnected
[09:39] <stdin> ryy: yes, in System Settings -> Netword Settings, just disable it, then enable it, that's all you need to do
[09:39] <Kyral> Which had GParted off :D
[09:39] <dope> Rob-West: get the gparted one
[09:39] <dope> worked like a charm for me
[09:39] <ryy> Thanks a lot.
[09:40] <kimmern> i'm installing new video drivers, and need to exit x-server first..si how?
[09:40] <Kyral> kimmern: CTRL+ALT+F1
[09:40] <Kyral> login then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:40] <kimmern> thanks kyral!
[09:40] <bomber> ctrl alt bacspce works too
[09:40] <Kyral> bomber: That just RESTARTS it
[09:41] <Kyral> kimmern: to restart it use sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[09:41] <bomber> on my system it exits
[09:41] <tackat> Did anyone here came across:
[09:41] <tackat> *** YOU'RE USING autoheader (GNU Autoconf) 2.61.
[09:41] <tackat> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[09:41] <Kyral> The AutoConfs...grr
[09:41] <tackat> while trying to build recent KDE ...
[09:41] <Kyral> and I shall be back...hopefully
[09:42] <tackat> Kyral: yepp great that KDE switched to cmake recently
[09:43] <stdin> tackat: and now use "automaken" too
[09:43] <tackat> stdin: ????
[09:44] <Tox> can set up printer on kubuntu i tried everything, it recognize it but not printing ?
[09:44] <sinbad33> wolfwalker, how does FF do the job better exactly ??
[09:44] <stdin> tackat: if you grab the svn, it says to use "automaken" not automake
[09:44] <Tox> it shows print job ..
[09:45] <tackat> stdin: there's no such package there !?!
[09:47] <stdin> tackat: there is, I think it's only on feisty tho
[09:47] <tackat> stdin: ah
[09:48] <Tox> !printer
[09:48] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:48] <stdin> tackat: /ms is a dumb-bell, it's not atuomaken
[09:48] <stdin> tackat: it's called "unsermake"
[09:50] <stdin> tackat: automaken is automake, unsermake like it, but slightly strange :P
[09:51] <firecrotch> Okay, I need help setting up an FTP-only user
[09:51] <firecrotch> I'm using proftp and webmin
[09:52] <Tox>  cant set up printer on kubuntu i tried everything, it recognize it but not printing ?
[09:52] <Tox> help plz
[09:52] <tackat> stdin: I have unsermake, but it doesn't change that --- the issue is about autotools, not automake
[09:53] <stdin> tackat: yeah, I got confused between he two
[09:53] <Tox> its HP Lazerjet 1020
[09:53] <tobi__> !mp3
[09:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:54] <bobleny> Hey, how do I move a file from one place to another in the konsol thingy?
[09:55] <bobleny> Or, better yet, is there a way to become sudo in the GUI for a time?
[09:55] <stdin> bobleny: kdesu konqueror
[09:55] <firecrotch> You can do sudo konqueror
[09:55] <stdin> NOT sudo konqueror
[09:55] <firecrotch> stdin: What's the difference?
[09:55] <stdin> !kdesu
[09:55] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:56] <stdin> firecrotch: that answer you? :P
[09:56] <firecrotch> Gotcha, I'll have to get out of that habit then
[09:56] <bobleny> Ok
[09:57] <stdin> firecrotch: you can get some really hard to fix errors with sudo and GUI apps, sudo is only for cli apps :)
[09:57] <firecrotch> I wish there was some way to add a right-click menu option to "open as root" or something like that
[09:57] <tobi__> !lame
[09:57] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[09:57] <stdin> firecrotch: there is
[09:57] <firecrotch> stdin: it doesn't seem to be there by default
[09:58] <stdin> firecrotch: there is, right click -> Actions -> Edit as root (for text files anyway)
[09:58] <firecrotch> stdin: but what about for applications like Konqueror?
[09:58] <stdin> firecrotch: as for run as root, now that's a but dangerous :P
[09:59] <stdin> firecrotch: but you can make a desktop link to application, and use "kdesu konqueror" as the command
[09:59] <xenophile7x7> lol, umm...last n00b question for the day ;)  from the cli, how can i see the partitions on my hard drives?
[09:59] <firecrotch> stdin: I guess that would work
[10:00] <firecrotch> Now, I just need some help setting up an FTP only user...
[10:00] <stdin> firecrotch: the reason there isn't a "run as root" option, is because one wrong click, and someone can mess there system up bad
[10:00] <stdin> xenophile7x7: sudo fdisk -l
[10:00] <bobleny> Ty
[10:00] <bobleny> That worked
[10:00] <xenophile7x7> tuy
[10:00] <xenophile7x7> *ty
[10:00] <stdin> xenophile7x7: -l is L
[10:00] <firecrotch> stdin: good point
[10:00] <Wablet> I'm wondering, is it possible to have a ATI and nVidia card in the same computer and tell a dual boot linux to go off one and windows to go off the other?
[10:01] <firecrotch> Wablet, you would just have to configure the card as the only video in each operating system.  IIRC, there is a way in windows to set it to not use a specific card ever
[10:02] <Wablet> firecrotch: Alright, because right now I only have an ati card and as much as I don't want to buy a new motherboard to support 2 cards, I think I need to since if I update my ATi drivers on Kubuntu (Not ubuntu) it locks me out of my desktop
[10:02] <Wablet> firecrotch: unless someone can help me to get my ati card to not lock out
[10:03] <kimmern> i'm installing nvidia drivers, but have to kill x..anyone?
[10:03] <firecrotch> Wablet: yeah, that would be a lot better than buying another vid card and new mobo
[10:04] <firecrotch> Wablet: I know nothing of ATI cards, since I have an integrated video card (laptop)
[10:04] <Wablet> firecrotch: And just maybe I could live on opensource drivers, aslong as I'm able to up my resolution.  Since I'll be doing gaming on my windows boot.
[10:04] <stdin> kimmern: didn't you ask that a few mins ago?
[10:04] <kimmern> stdin: yes, i got an answer but it didnt work..
[10:05] <Wablet> !ati
[10:05] <stdin> kimmern: which part didn't work?
[10:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <stdin> kimmern: and why not use the driver from ubuntu ?
[10:06] <Wablet> I'm having a small issue.  I can't even launch Kubuntu on my card.  I need to modify my xorg to enable vesa drivers for it to even work.
[10:07] <firecrotch> For FTP users, do I have to have a group called 'ftp' or something, then add the user to that group?
[10:08] <bobleny> Is there a way to make windows semi transparent or something like that?
[10:09] <kimmern> lots of folks here..someone gotta know how to exit x-server?
[10:09] <stdin> kimmern: which part didn't work?
[10:09] <firecrotch> !beryl | bobleny
[10:09] <ubotu> bobleny: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:09] <stdin> kimmern: and why not use the driver from ubuntu ?
[10:09] <stdin> firecrotch: maybe this will help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588
[10:10] <xenophile7x7> i just got the strangest feelin of deja vu ;)
[10:11] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know an undernet server offhand?
[10:16] <BluesKaj> newyork.ny.us.undernet.org
[10:16] <xenophile7x7> thx
[10:16] <BluesKaj> np
[10:16] <stdin> heh, google rocks :P
[10:16] <firecrotch> Okay, I used Webmin to create the user for FTP (I think I got all the settings right), but my FTP user gets a "wrong password" error
[10:16] <K`zan> anyone here using avr-gcc ?
[10:18] <acemo> "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy" doesnt needs a gpg key right?
[10:19] <Tox> cant setup printer somebody yelp!
[10:19] <firecrotch> acemo: there's a key provided, but the key did not work for me
[10:19] <nagyv> hello! is there a way to switch off the computer automatically after a given time? (I like to fell asleep on music, but would like to switch off the computer.) I use amarok to listen to music.
[10:19] <acemo> i coulnt find the key on hqwine.com
[10:19] <stdin> acemo: don't think they have one, so no
[10:19] <acemo> and im getting this error:
[10:19] <acemo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1155/
[10:20] <firecrotch> acemo: I don't remember where I saw the key, but you don't need it anyways
[10:20] <sorush20> how do I type latin letters?
[10:20] <just-this-time> amarok wont play from smb:// any ideas ?
[10:20] <sorush20> A
[10:20] <acemo> im not using a key, but when i run apt-get upgrade im getting a nice error =(
[10:20] <acemo> saying it cant find the gpg key
[10:20] <stdin> nagyv: you can make a cron job to run a a certain time every day to shutdown
[10:20] <firebird619> I am going to be installing Ubuntu. What partitions are recommended aside from the default ones Ubuntu creates? I have 120 GB HDD and 256 MB for RAM.
[10:21] <stdin> acemo: ignore it, and contine
[10:21] <c4rlO> o man..
[10:21] <c4rlO> so many question in here..
[10:21] <acemo> stdin, it anoys me =( i wanna get rid of the error
[10:21] <firecrotch> nagyv: you could also use a shell script that you start when you're ready to go to bed that would shut it down in say, 30 minutes
[10:21] <stdin> firebird619: a separate /home partition is always a good idea
[10:21] <nagyv> stdin: it is quiet occasional, and even the time changes day-by-day, and I also don't know what a cronjob is :)
[10:22] <nagyv> firecrotch: could you point me to page where I can read about this?
[10:22] <stdin> nagyv: you can use the "at" command, look at "man at" in konsole
[10:23] <firebird619> stdin: Ok, any other recommendations? I see online on sites to have, for example, separate /var, /tmp partitions and so forth, is that necessary or a good idea?
[10:23] <firecrotch> stdin: I would use the "sleep" command, which will wait a certain amount of time before executing the command
[10:23] <emprevet51> hello
[10:23] <stdin> nagyv: i think that was to you, not me ^^^^
[10:24] <nagyv> stdin: I have found it, thx
[10:24] <tobi__> is there any adept package for a lame encoder ?
[10:24] <firecrotch> stdin: to both, actually :)
[10:24] <stdin> firebird619: you don't need all those, you aren't going to be running a massive server are you?
[10:25] <stdin> !lame
[10:25] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[10:25] <firebird619> stdin: No, it is just for typical home use, Internet, Music, etc.
[10:25] <stdin> tobi__: yes, it's in multiverse
[10:25] <tobi__> thanks
[10:25] <firecrotch> firebird619: Then you should be just fine with just putting /home on a separate parition
[10:25] <stdin> firebird619: then all you need is '/' , swap and '/home'
[10:26] <BTR> Hi, im having problems with wine, is there a support channel for it?
[10:26] <mehmet> nere la bura ?
[10:26] <stdin> BTR: #winehq
[10:26] <mehmet> yeah
[10:26] <c4rlO> hi,i have a question.it's about irc konversation application..Why affter i detached my bnc and want to reattach it back, the channel that i detached before not shown?Just the nick only appear in status but not the channel..
[10:26] <firebird619> Ok, Thanks. What is the best size to use for  the '/' partition. I have a 120 GB drive.
[10:26] <stdin> !tr
[10:26] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[10:27] <casev01> someone knows how to configure apt-build?
[10:27] <acemo> firebird619: / is ur root, a bit the same as c: in windows
[10:27] <stdin> c4rlO: ask in #konversation
[10:27] <c4rlO> ok thanks stdin
[10:27] <Dasnipa`> acemo, not really
[10:28] <nagyv> thx for your help, I am going to sleep now :)
[10:29] <Dasnipa`> acemo, as most programs arent installed in /, just symlinked in /usr/local/bin
[10:29] <stdin> Dasnipa`: most apps in kubuntu are in /usr/bin not /usr/local/bin
[10:29] <firebird619> What is recommended for the size of the  '/' partition on a 120 GB HDD? I have read that swap should be around 1.5 times the amount of RAM, and /home should be whatever free space is left over, but what is recommended for the '/' partition.
[10:30] <acemo> dasnipa` isnt /usr a sub folder of / ?
[10:30] <just-this-time> hey join me for full edgy torrent http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[10:30] <Dasnipa`> acemo, but they are symlinked there. not installed there. symlink = a few bytes
[10:30] <chavo> firebird619, 10 gigs is plenty for /, you can get by with less but that gives you room for installing a lot of stuff just in case
[10:31] <acemo> ohh okey
[10:31] <firebird619> chavo: Ok, Thank YOu
[10:31] <stdin> just-this-time: advertise in #kubuntu-offtopic not in here please
[10:31] <Dasnipa`> firebird619, no longer is it true that 1.5 tiems ram should be swap now that ram is in excess of 1 gig... 1 gig swap should be more than enough for anyone
[10:31] <chavo> I am using 3.8 gigs in my /, but I have KDE and Gnome installed
[10:31] <chavo> yeah 1 gig of swap is good
[10:31] <just-this-time> stdin hi
[10:32] <firebird619> Dasnipa: In the machine I am installing on there is only 256 MB of RAM. Would I still allocate 1 GB swap?
[10:32] <to0om> hey guys, a question: is anyone of you abel to install the libqt4-dev package in the actual kubuntu release?
[10:33] <to0om> here i always have some dependency problems with libglu1-xorg-dev
[10:34] <chavo> to0om, do you have any 3rd party repos enabled?
[10:34] <to0om> chavo: no, i don't
[10:34] <to0om> should i?
[10:34] <chavo> no
[10:35] <to0om> chavo: does it work on your installation?
[10:35] <chavo> to0om, yeah works here
[10:36] <chavo> running edgy
[10:36] <stdin> !info libglu1-xorg-dev
[10:36] <ubotu> libglu1-xorg-dev: transitional package for Debian etch. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[10:38] <parsek> I have a wd 120gb hard disk in my laptop and it clicks every 20sec or so when in idle, when I do hdparm -B 255 (turns automatic powermanagment off) the clicking stops, so how could I make it to do that command everytime I boot????
[10:38] <to0om> chavo: i also have edgy
[10:39] <to0om> chavo: could you paste your sources.list somewhere?
[10:40] <voicu> hi, there is something wrong with kaffeine. it doesn't start at all on my user but works good on other ones
[10:41] <stdin> parsek: look in /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:41] <extern> why does kubuntu splash screen get distorted, when shutting down? It doesn't get distorted if I immediately shutdown my computer just after it finished booting up
[10:41] <parsek> yes but what do i have to put there dor it to work
[10:41] <parsek> for
[10:41] <voicu> there is no output when starting it from konsole. i also deleted any user-configuration files related to kaffeine (to get the default ones).
[10:42] <voicu> maybe xine is the problem?
[10:42] <trunk> Can anyone help me with my updating problem
[10:43] <stdin> parsek: man hdparm.conf
[10:45] <just-this-time> amarok does not want to play from smb://in konqueror
[10:45] <Vigo> Greetings
[10:45] <just-this-time> shoul I mount SMB before
[10:46] <voicu> just-this-time: do you have to connect with a user+pass or anonymously?
[10:46] <Raven301> Ok Ubuntu has a sources.list generator Where would I find one for Kubuntu??
[10:47] <voicu> it's the same one...
[10:47] <stdin> Raven301: the sources are the same for both
[10:47] <parsek> same
[10:47] <voicu> kubuntu is a part of ubuntu
[10:47] <Raven301> stdin: ok thanks
[10:48] <parsek> what do you BTW use?
[10:50] <stdin> who?
[10:50] <parsek> anyone
[10:50] <parsek> what do you use stdin?
[10:51] <parsek> I mean a sources generator
[10:51] <stdin> parsek: I use my fingers :P
[10:51] <parsek> :)
[10:51] <stdin> I don't need no stinkin source genorator :)
[10:52] <parsek> heh
[10:52] <bobleny> what is a source generator?
[10:52] <stdin> it genorates a sources.list file
[10:53] <bobleny> Oh, no idea what thats for...
[10:53] <stdin> *(for lazy prople)
[10:53] <parsek> :)
[10:53] <Raven301> stdin: How you calling lazy .... lol
[10:53] <trunk> hi can some one help me I'm having real problems with my newly installed kubuntu
[10:53] <voicu> ok... anyone has any idea why kaffeine starts with errors and doesn't display any windows?
[10:54] <stdin> Raven301: how? well I just type it :P
[10:54] <bobleny> stdin is an expert!
[10:54] <Raven301> s/how/who
[10:54] <stdin> heh :)
[10:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> hmm, i can't get my webcam to work on kubuntu, would it be possible for me to install msn and my webcam using wine 0.9.29?
[10:54] <voicu> i can see it in the process list but nothing happens
[10:54] <voicu> on other users it works
[10:55] <Raven301> stdin: Is there a sources.list for feisty ?
[10:55] <stdin> voicu: try deleting ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc and try agin
[10:55] <trunk> help please I can't get any updates or downloads
[10:55] <voicu> stdin: i did that
[10:55] <stdin> Raven301: there better be, or I wouldn't have a sources.list
[10:56] <voicu> and restarted the session
[10:56] <stdin> trunk: what do you mean?
[10:56] <voicu> still it doesn't work
[10:56] <Raven301> stdin: any good place to get one?
[10:56] <voicu> the thing is... when i start a kde program from konsole i get some qt+X warnings. when i start kaffeine there are none. as if it doesn't link to the X server at all
[10:57] <stdin> Raven301: s/edgy/feisty/ on your sources.list
[10:57] <Raven301> stdin: ok ... thanks
[10:57] <trunk> I've just installed kubuntu AND WHEN i SEND IT IT FIND UPDATES IT JUST GOES ON OFR EVER
[10:57] <trunk> opps sorry for the caps
[10:58] <dwidmann> forever, or does it just feel like forever?
[10:58] <stdin> trunk: check that the sources aren't all disabled
[10:58] <stdin> trunk: and try changing to another mirror too
[10:58] <trunk> well I've left it 2 hours earlyer and it had done 0% so...
[10:58] <matthias> hi i just wanted to install iCenterX also known as UbuntuCenter but aptitude sais that "php5-gd" package is broken. what should i do?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> !php5-gd
[10:59] <ubotu> php5-gd: GD module for php5. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 152 kB
[10:59] <trunk> well I think it's just going to compleatly the wrong place
[10:59] <trunk> I am a compleat newbie but I@ve spent all day on this
[10:59] <HymnToLife> it seems to be there, are you using Dapper or EDgy ?
[10:59] <Balsamic_Chicken> is it possible to install webcam by wine?
[10:59] <stdin> trunk: change to another mirror
[10:59] <voicu> nevermind, it works... i don't know how but yey :D
[10:59] <dwidmann> matthias, maybe "sudo apt-get -f install", or to remove and reinstall it?
[11:00] <trunk> thanks I will try
[11:00] <dwidmann> Balsamic_Chicken: I doubt it
[11:00] <matthias> dwidmann: thx i'll try
[11:00] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: ask in #winehq
[11:01] <trunk> although the one thing is I'm thinking it might be IPV6 related because I have a router thats not IPV6 comp
[11:01] <aakarsh> does kubuntu come iwth vnc server
[11:01] <ego> hi at all!!
[11:01] <eddy__> how can i install skype on kubuntu?
[11:01] <aakarsh> it doest seem to find the command
[11:01] <stdin> trunk: it still wouldn't take that long
[11:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> k thx
[11:01] <dwidmann> eddy__ they have a deb, just download it and install the deb with dpkg
[11:01] <trunk> chears
[11:01] <stdin> aakarsh: krdc
[11:02] <matthias> dwidmann: thx seems to be ok now
[11:02] <aakarsh> k thanks
[11:02] <stdin> aakarsh: ahh, vnc server?
[11:03] <stdin> aakarsh: krbf for short term
[11:03] <aakarsh> well vncserver was what redhat seemed t ohave
[11:03] <stdin> !vnc
[11:03] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:03] <aakarsh> ok
[11:03] <aakarsh> i wanted to try this freenx thing but it wont isntall
[11:04] <stdin> !FreeNX
[11:04] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[11:04] <stdin> !botsnack
[11:04] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:04] <stdin> :)
[11:04] <aakarsh> yum is something to resolve package dependcies?
[11:04] <aakarsh> i am new i dont know
[11:04] <bobleny> !good bot, have a snack
[11:05] <stdin> aakarsh: not on Kubuntu, no, we use apt here :)
[11:05] <aakarsh> ok but apt  doesnt seem to do the auto dependency download
[11:05] <parsek> I have a weird problem with videos, in vlc or any other player the colours are all wrong, yellow is too yellow etc. thats with Xvideo output, when I use X11 colours are right but it doesnt look/perform otherwise well, what should I do????
[11:06] <aakarsh> just fails at not found dependency
[11:06] <stdin> aakarsh: then you haven't used it, because it dose
[11:06] <aakarsh> hmm
[11:06] <aakarsh> ok let me take a  look again
[11:06] <stdin> !apt
[11:06] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:07] <bobleny> Hey, can some explain exactlly waht beryl is? I went to the beryl-project.org, but I cant find out what it is.....
[11:07] <parsek> !beryl
[11:07] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:07] <dwidmann> bobleny: a window manager
[11:08] <stdin> bobleny: it's a themeable window manager, that uses 3D effects
[11:08] <frojnd> how do I made firefox primary explorer, so when I'll click on the link in konversation firexox will start instead konqueror
[11:08] <bobleny> So, it is for eye candy?
[11:08] <dwidmann> mostly
[11:08] <bobleny> k
[11:08] <stdin> frojnd: System Settings -> Default Applications
[11:08] <Parkotron> frojnd: System Settings > Default Applications
[11:09] <Parkotron> Jinx
[11:09] <stdin> hah, beet ya :)
[11:11] <bobleny> How do I make Dolphin my default file manager?
[11:13] <bobleny> Was that a yes?
[11:13] <stdin> bobleny: in Konqueror, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Association  -> inode -> derectory
[11:13] <stdin> *directory
[11:15] <|WAL|> anyone know where to get a newer version of HPLIP (>= 0.9.9) in a dapper repository?
[11:15] <bobleny> Wha!? I went to file association, but  I don't understand what to do...
[11:16] <stdin> bobleny: you see the list ?
[11:16] <bobleny> yup
[11:17] <stdin> |WAL|: you could try enabling the backports repository, or upgrade to edgy
[11:17] <stdin> bobleny: you see one called "inode" ?
[11:17] <bobleny> no...
[11:17] <|WAL|> stdin: backports?
[11:17] <stdin> !backports
[11:17] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:17] <bobleny> Nope, sorry, I'm blind. I found it....
[11:18] <stdin> bobleny: expand it, and you'll get another list, in there click "directory"
[11:18] <bobleny> ok
[11:19] <stdin> bobleny: is Dolphin in there?
[11:19] <stdin> bobleny: on the right ?
[11:19] <bobleny> yeah, its the top one
[11:20] <stdin> bobleny: then it should be default
[11:20] <bobleny> Ok, but when it is the top one, I cant open my trash bin?
[11:21] <stdin> bobleny: you can add an applet to the panel for it
[11:21] <stdin> if it isn't already there
[11:21] <stdin> ny the clock
[11:21] <stdin> *by
[11:22] <bobleny> Yes, the trash bin in next to the clock
[11:22] <RawSewage> is it ok to be DMZ host. or is that risky
[11:23] <stdin> not a clue RawSewage
[11:24] <RawSewage> ok
[11:24] <bobleny> How do I add an applet to the panel for it?
[11:24] <jkgruet> KAudioCreator is acting up when ripping a CD to mp3.  Anyone use this on a regular basis?  (Kubuntu/Edgy)
[11:25] <stdin> bobleny: right click the panel,  click "add applet to panel", choose the applet, click add
[11:25] <bobleny> "Maleformed URL trash:/" that is there error I get when I try to open my trash bin, while dolphin is my default file manager.
[11:25] <fxr> whats this:? kded_kpasswdserver
[11:26] <stdin> bobleny: just make a link on the desktop, link to application, and use "konqueror trash:/" as the command
[11:27] <stdin> fxr: what from?
[11:27] <fxr> its an error from amarok...
[11:28] <bobleny> Will that make the trash bin open in konqueror?
[11:28] <stdin> fxr: is that all it says?
[11:28] <stdin> bobleny: it need to open in konqueror, it's a KDE trash bin
[11:28] <stdin> bobleny: it's not readable by other apps
[11:28] <bobleny> How come?
[11:29] <stdin> bobleny: because it's a security mesure
[11:29] <bobleny> They want to secure the trash bin?
[11:29] <stdin> bobleny: yes, why wouldn't they?
[11:29] <dwidmann> /home/.local/share/Trash = trash:/
[11:29] <fxr> m running from the command line and trying to connect to a stream.. it was working fine, but i nstalled amarok by *accident* now can connect to stream.. m scared in case i remoced a dependent package.. the full errors are:
[11:30] <fxr> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (4971) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[11:30] <fxr> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserver!
[11:30] <fxr> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (4971) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[11:30] <fxr> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserver!
[11:30] <fxr> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (4971) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[11:30] <fxr> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserv
[11:30] <fxr> *uninstalled amarok
[11:30] <stdin> fxr: no clue, ask in #kde
[11:30] <fxr> k thanks..
[11:30] <dwidmann> **/home/user/.local/share/Trash
[11:30] <bobleny> Because it is trash. One mans trash is another mans treasuer
[11:31] <stdin> dwidmann: but it's not readable by other apps, in the way that konqi reads it, with the meta data
[11:31] <heinkel_111> anoyone know how to disbale KPerzonaliser, or at least how to make it *not* appear every time i log in as a certain user?
[11:31] <dwidmann> Probably not, but that's the place you'd want it to go if trash:/ failed
[11:37] <dwidmann> heinkel_111, let me check something, it's an easy fix if I remember right
[11:37] <heinkel_111> dwidmann: you are authorized to check something :)
[11:38] <dwidmann> ~/.kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc, set FirstLogin=false in the general section. I think that's the fix.
[11:38] <heinkel_111> dwidmann: thanks for the hint!
[11:39] <dwidmann> you're welcome
[11:39] <bobleny> Is there a way to force the trashbin in the task bar to open in konqoror?
[11:39] <dwidmann> Yes
[11:39] <dwidmann> well, then again, it will require you to change the trash in the taskbar
[11:40] <bobleny> meaning?
[11:40] <dwidmann> make the trash thing in the taskbar a regular application launcher ...
[11:40] <dwidmann> less functional, I know, but it'll do the trick
[11:40] <bobleny> I'm cornfused!
[11:40] <dwidmann> and the application to launch would be .... "konqueror trash:/"
[11:41] <heinkel_111> dwidmann: mine already says Firstlogin = false :S
[11:41] <dwidmann> bobleny: right click on the desktop, create new application launcher
[11:41] <heinkel_111> got to be wrong somewhere else i guess
[11:41] <dwidmann> heinkel_111, on the user in question as well:? Hmm, that must not be it then, I'll check around then, I've fixed the problem before ... I thought it was that, must not have been though eh?
[11:42] <heinkel_111> could it be something in startup ?
[11:43] <heinkel_111> i restored most config resource files from another user, because something was causing this user to start up on one screen only (i have dual screen)'
[11:43] <heinkel_111> but i left out startup resources etc
[11:44] <bobleny> Ok, I got it. But still, I can configuer the original trash bin icon in the taskbar to open up in koqoror?
[11:45] <s_> Hello. Is here enzone, who runs the KDE with installed Firehol and Knights? I need help with setting of firewall. Thanks.
[11:45] <dwidmann> bobleny, I don't think the one in the tray is configurable, it's the trash applet.
[11:45] <dwidmann> bobleny: you could put that launcher on the taskbar, just drag it down there if you want to
[11:46] <bobleny> then can I congifuer the trash applet?
[11:46] <dwidmann> Nay, I don't think the trash applet is configurable at all.
[11:47] <bobleny> Well, something has to tell the trash apllet to work.
[11:49] <dwidmann> heinkel_111: the fix is listed here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/56206
[11:50] <parsek> is there any way to get direct rendering to work in ati rage mobility P/M
[11:50] <matthew> Anyone have experience w/ dancer-ircd? I've got one set up, but I can't figure out how to add channels...
[11:52] <Seijuro> unless you're running services to keep the channel open I believe you just join the channel matthew
[11:54] <jkgruet> matthew: have you checked out http://www.contactor.se/~dast/dancer/doc/dancerdoc.html  ??
[11:54] <matthew> thanks a lot, I'm gonna check that link out now!
[11:55] <matthew> oh wait! dancer is a bot service...*smacks head* I'm looking for an irc server!
[11:56] <dwidmann> parsek, the crickets chirp at your question, I presume you're not going to find your answer here
[11:56] <casev01> someone using apt-build?
[11:56] <jkgruet> matthew: I'm a little ignorant on those, so can't help much more.
[11:56] <matthew> np, thanks anyway!
[11:57] <jkgruet> My own problems currently include getting KAudioCreator to work:  apparently there's a genre problem on the look-up.
[11:57] <bobleny> I went to dolphin, typed "trash:/", I then deleted on my desktop. Guess where the file went to!? I'm confused, if "trash:/" can be opend in dolphin, they why can't "trash:/" open in dolphin???????
[11:58] <bobleny> !trash
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <jkgruet> I don't know if this is a kubuntu-specific problem, or a kaudiocreator problem; so far, 'net searches haven't been too helpful.
[12:11] <N6REJ> I'm getting confused... i'm trying to setup an intranet server with access to apache and quasar from outside, but something has gotten hosed or confused.  I originally used the computer name "ubuntu" ( the default ) and sometimes apache would flake and take me to ubuntu.com instead of my own server.  So my friend said to change the IP to static and change the name, did that but now apache...
[12:11] <N6REJ> ...says it can't resolve FQDN.
[12:12] <N6REJ> can anyone help please?


[12:07] <dholbach> hi
[12:07] <dholbach> did anyone notice ${perl:Depends} not working as nicely as before?
[12:09] <dholbach> apart from that obvious problem in the buildlog, libxml-writer-perl has no content (apart from doc/)
[12:09] <dholbach> strangely enough it does build nicely on my amd64 now
[12:13] <siretart> strange. never done any serious perl packaging, though
[12:13] <dholbach> me neither, i'd just like to update a file in xmltv to make it work for german users again and it build-depends on libxml-writer-perl
[12:14] <dholbach> the debian/{rules,control} did not get changed from the last working release in hoary
[12:14] <Robot101> mjg59: oi :P
[12:16] <dholbach> siretart: might just have been a buildd hiccup - we might just sync the new version from sid and see :)
[12:16] <mjg59> Robot101: I can't find which package it's in
[12:16] <mjg59> In fact, it's not on my system
[12:16] <mjg59> Try starting the Gnome session rather than the system default one
[12:16] <dholbach> what are you looking for?
[12:16] <mjg59> sessreg
[12:17] <dholbach> xutils?
[12:17] <Robot101> gnome-session actually works perfectly when I run it directly
[12:17] <Robot101> my xutils package contains ~nothing
[12:17] <dholbach> oh.. hm
[12:17] <Robot101> copyright, NEWS.Debian, changelog.Debian
[12:17] <dholbach> and daniels is not around
[12:17] <Robot101> which is at odds with the package description :)
[12:19] <Robot101> mjg59: newcastle brown ale bottle says: responsible drinkers don't exceed 4 daily units (men) :P
[12:19] <dholbach> hahaha
[12:19] <dholbach> whatever a unit is...
[12:19] <mjg59> dholbach: 10ml of alcohol
[12:19] <mjg59> Robot101: Right. Coming back now.
[12:19] <dholbach> oh i see :)
[12:26] <Robot101> "There is 1 item of post-update informations available" is a very awkward message :)
[12:26] <Robot101> not to mention that "informations" is not a word :)
[12:28] <dholbach> i know who'll be delighted to hear this as a bugreport :)
[12:29] <mdke> that's a valid bug IMO
[12:36] <Robot101> did xen packages make their way into breezy or anything?
[12:40] <dholbach> Robot101: i didn't read anything about them yet
[12:41] <Nafallo> that means "no, now" :-)
[01:56] <dholbach> good night everybody
[02:17] <Robot101> why is gdm in breezy unable to start me a gnome-session?
[02:18] <windex> because according to something i read a bit ago in #ubuntu, gnome-session does not currently appear to contain actual binaries at this moment? not sure if that's what was said. :)
[02:43] <tseng> mjg59: you mean libdbus-glib-1-1?
[02:49] <tseng> mjg59: it should really depend on libdbus-1-cil
[02:53] <mjg59> tseng: Beagle FATAL: System.DllNotFoundException: dbus-glib-1
[02:54] <tseng> hm rock on
[02:54] <tseng> well libdbus-1-cil should depend on the glib bits anyway
[02:54] <tseng> dh_clideps is not working that well on some stuff it seems
[02:54] <mjg59> Ah - if I remove libdbus-cil, I can install libdbus-1-cil
[02:54] <tseng> oh, i mailed elmo to axe the former
[02:55] <mjg59> Oh, argh, hang on - I'm running a beagled in /usr/local
[02:55] <tseng> :/
[02:55] <mjg59> Ah, that's better
[02:55] <mjg59> Probably my fault, then
[02:56] <tseng> we'll need to get at least the next release in
[02:56] <tseng> to actually have a discoverable way of adding beagled/best to session
[02:57] <tseng> and working inotify
[03:00] <tseng> mjg59: id be interested how it goes from here.
[03:01] <tseng> mjg59: and what arch(s)
[03:02] <mjg59> tseng: x86
[03:02] <mjg59> tseng: Works fine - it's possible that it's ok, but that the old version I was trying to run was broken
[03:03] <tseng> mjg59: quite possibly, it was a real crapshoot until recently
[06:48] <jdub> Kamion: ping
[06:48] <jdub> hrm, unlikely
[06:49] <Mithrandir> hi jdub
[06:50] <jdub> yo Mithrandir
[06:50] <jdub> congrats btw :)
[06:50] <Mithrandir> thanks. :-)
[06:57] <jdub> so, ssh-add doesn't run ssh-askpass-gnome atm; SSH_ASKPASS isn't set in my env
[06:58] <jdub> i'm tempted to think this is an X bug (session related?_
[07:00] <Lathiat> ssh-add < /dev/null
[07:03] <jdub> aha:
[07:03] <jdub> /etc/alternatives/ssh-askpass -> /usr/lib/ssh/gnome-ssh-askpass
[07:03] <Lathiat> should be openssh
[07:03] <jdub> ls: /usr/lib/ssh/gnome-ssh-askpass: No such file or directory
[07:03] <Lathiat> (/usr/lib/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass)
[07:04] <jdub> yeah, it is there, but the alternative wasn't reset
[07:04] <jdub> http://bayosphere.com/blog/dangillmor/080605/apple_dictionary
[07:04] <jdub> ha ha ha
[11:04] <Robot101_> anyone know why gdm in breezy won't start a gnome session for me?
[11:04] <Treenaks> Robot101_: because the default session is broken??
[11:05] <Robot101_> it seems not to work whichever I choose
[11:05] <Treenaks> if you manually select gnome it'll work again
[11:05] <Treenaks> (at least, for me)
[11:05] <Robot101_> hmm
[11:07] <sivang> anyone knows how I can add shared libs dependecies into an existing autotoolized project ?
[11:07] <bob2> presumably add them to the library list and edit configure.{ac,in}
[11:08] <Treenaks> and then rerun auto*
[11:12] <sivang> bob2: you mean, add them to the *.pc file? (pkg config file)
[11:13] <bob2> erm, why are you modifying a shared library?
[11:15] <sivang> bob2: I have cloned a ready made one, and the same exiting project tree suits me for a very similar lib , but comaptible with some other stuff. Now, the forked on needs to depend on other stuff then the original one
[11:15] <sivang> bob2: for example, on bonnobo ui instead of Gtk stuff
[11:16] <bob2> isn't the .pc file generated at runtime?
[11:16] <bob2> er, build time
[11:16] <sivang> bob2: it generated form a pc.in file, but I wasn't sure this is the only place to change my dependencies
[11:22] <sivang> bob2: also, is there a common list for libs name under autotools to choose from? (for instance, I need libbonnobo ui which lib/pkg in autotools hsould I depend against?)
[11:27] <bytee> so, how would i make evince my default pdf viewer as opposed to xpdf? if i try to remove xpdf, it wants to take the whole ubuntu-desktop with it (which isn't cool)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> bytee, right click on pdf, choose properties
[11:28] <Burgundavia> bytee, 3rd or 4th tab, choose evince
[11:28] <bytee> Burgundavia: i wanted to make it the default, for a custom livecd, so there's no right-clicking for me, it'd seem
[11:28] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:28] <Burgundavia> breezy livecd will have it by default
[11:29] <Burgundavia> bytee, sorry, thought I was in #ubuntu
[11:30] <bytee> Burgundavia: heh, no need to apologise ;-) its a possibly simple answer if i poke around enough.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> bytee, LiveCDCustomization might be able to help
[11:30] <bytee> been looking at that unfortunately, nothing showing me much more. gonna try the gnome one next
[11:30] <jsgotangco> wrong channel
[11:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:30] <mjg59> Hrm. nm-applet won't give me any icons.
[11:32] <Burgundavia> mjg59, if you have the latest, it is broken
[11:32] <bytee> jsgotangco: should such customisation questions be asked on #ubuntu, instead ?
[11:32] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ah
[11:32] <Burgundavia> bytee, no
[11:33] <Burgundavia> mjg59, there was email to the -devel list about it
[11:33] <bytee> ok, just double checking
[11:33] <Burgundavia> bytee, my 1st answer was a #ubuntu answer
[11:37] <jsgotangco> bytee: wrong chan heh supposed to be for #ubuntu-doc
[11:37] <mjg59> Burgundavia: The failures described there don't match the problems I'm having
[11:38] <Burgundavia> mjg59, there is a reason that NM has not been promoted to main yet
[11:39] <j^> Burgundavia nobody maintaining it?
[11:40] <j^> current version in ubuntu will cause a segfault and after that the icon will go away
[11:40] <Burgundavia> j^, very ambitioius and not yet completely mature
[11:40] <j^> this is due to a wrong option passed to configure in debian/rules
[11:40] <j^> on the way trying to disable bind, setting the path to "no"
[11:41] <j^> so it NetworkManager tries to launch "no"
[11:41] <Burgundavia> NM is getting work now
[11:41] <Burgundavia> it was passed from person to person
[11:42] <j^> i realy strongly suggest to use bind for dns, and not add another system outside of NetworkManager
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I am not the person to ask about that
[11:43] <Burgundavia> or tell, for that matter
[11:43] <j^> how is it right now?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> say again?
[11:44] <j^> s/how/who
[11:45] <Burgundavia> Ian somebody? no idea
[11:45] <j^> ian said is not the one
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ask mdz or Kamion they will know
[11:55] <infinity> j^ : I'm doing NM right now.
[11:56] <infinity> j^ : And I tend to agree about reverting to bind, only beause it buys us views for VPNs..
[11:56] <infinity> j^ : Though it still feels like an inelegant and rather clunky solution, it may be the best option for now.
[11:58] <j^> infinity once dns is done via dbus it should be possible to use another dns resolver that provides a dbus interface
[11:58] <infinity> j^ : ...
[11:59] <infinity> j^ : You're kidding, right?  All DNS on the system will not be passing through dbus.
[11:59] <Robot101> ha ha ha
[11:59] <j^> infinity dns configuration
[11:59] <j^> like it is done right now with dhcp
[12:00] <j^> NM taks to dhcdbd via dbus
[12:00] <infinity> j^ : There are no DNS resolvers other than bind that offer the functionality we need anyway, so you're basically talking about either rewriting a lighter-weight bind, or stapling a dbus interface onto bind (which, in a sense, is what NM's named backed IS)
[12:01] <bob2> wtf
[12:01] <bob2> a dbusi nterface for a dns resolver?
[12:02] <infinity> Anyhow, the problem isn't how one configures bind, the problem is that you need something that can A) provide multiple views for DNS queries on multiple networks, and B) work around the fact that braindead applications (*cough*mozilla*cough*) cache resolv.conf.
[12:02] <infinity> Which, at the moment, means B) running a local nameserver, and A) making that product be bind9.
[12:02] <infinity> So, I'll be reverting to that setup, as much as it pains me to do so.
[12:06] <jdub> infinity: aha, you've got it now :-)
[12:07] <mjg59> infinity: Current network-manager doesn't seem to depend on dhcp3-client
[12:07] <mjg59> (Which has just led to a degree of frustrating debugging)
[12:08] <j^> mjg59 it depends on dhcdbd, which should depend on dhcp3-client
[12:09] <mjg59> j^: But it doesn't
[12:09] <mjg59> In fact, dhcdbd doesn't depend on anything
[12:10] <mjg59> Including libc
[12:10] <mjg59> That's kind of special
[12:10] <Burgundavia> what happened to thom anyway?
[12:10] <Amaranth> he got a new job
[12:11] <Burgundavia> I figured that
[12:12] <j^> infinity will you also remove resolvconf from network-managers depends?
[12:23] <infinity> j^ : Yes, though I also need to make sure it works properly with resolvconf installed, as opposed to the current thpethul behaviour.
[12:24] <j^> why should it work with resolvconf installed?
[12:24] <infinity> Why should it blatantly not?
[12:24] <j^> because resolv conf does not add anything to it?
[12:25] <j^> why should apache and apache2 be installed at the same time?
[12:25] <infinity> Because they can be.  The conflict would be gratuitous.
[12:25] <infinity> (And, hence, they do work together)
[12:26] <sladen> j^: unless you have identical Port XX and Listen XX lines then there's no reason they should conflict
[12:28] <j^> ok bad example, but still i fail to see why you would want to install resolvconf + NetworkManager
... There's probably no benefit in having both together, but that's no reason why they can't both function correctly when installed together.
[12:32] <j^> infinity might be good to update the backend to support dial-up support as added by rml the other week
[12:32] <infinity> It's on the list.
[12:32] <j^> cool
[12:33] <infinity> I've been watching RML's changes intently.
[12:41] <jdub> j^: a good use case is "network-manager isn't running", for example, single user mode. :-)
[12:56] <j^> jdub and in single usermode on the airport in shanghai resolvconf helps me with anything?
[12:57] <jdub> j^: when you dhcp, sure :)
[12:57] <j^> no, dhclient overwrites resolv.conf by default
[01:00] <doko> pitti: is there a way to determine all the country specific locales in a language support pack?
[01:00] <j^> and if network connection in single user mode (if i have to use it, its a bug) is the only reason for resolvconf, well
[01:01] <infinity> j^ : What about a machine without X that recieves dyanmic updates and needs to kick daemons (like postifx) to DTRT?
[01:01] <infinity> j^ : That's the use case for resolvconf, generally.
[01:02] <j^> infinity why would you install NetworkManager on such a machine
[01:02] <j^> and NetworkManager is a replacement for that
[01:02] <infinity> j^ : And if you happen to be the sort of person who likes to have a full X environment on your server, logging in to GDM probably shouldn't cause your network setup to implode, just because nm-applet started and decided it was cooler than resolvconf.
[01:02] <infinity> (Not that I have X on servers, but I've seen it happen)
[01:03] <infinity> j^ : The point isn't that I anticipate people doing this often, the point is that if they can be made to work together, why argue against it?
[01:03] <j^> NetworkManager will not touch configured network devices
[01:04] <j^> i also never installed resolvconf on any server, so i might be a lost case
[01:05] <infinity> Well, I don't have servers with dynamic IPs, but I assume if I did, resolvconf could prove useful.
[01:05] <infinity> Anyhow, I'm all for making sure the entire chain of "mucks with the resolver" packages don't bugger each other on a regular basis.
[01:06] <infinity> Which, for now, is dhclient, resolvconf, and networkmanager.
[01:06] <j^> if you are willing to do it fine, to me it just feels like making sure networkmanger works with things it tries to replace
[01:06] <infinity> I'm also all about napping.
[01:06] <infinity> It's not a replacement for resolvconf at all.
[01:07] <infinity> NetworkManager is for (surprise) managing network connections.  The resolver, oddly enough, is used for many things beyond just "find me Google, please".
[01:08] <infinity> (As is resolvconf)
[01:08] <infinity> Anyhow.  Naps are more important and bickering.  I hope to have a more polished set of NM packages in breezy in the next few days.
[01:09] <infinity> The goal is to have it functioning again and reasonably stable/useable/nonbroken before feature freeze, which is right around the corner.
[01:10] <j^> ok, hope to see packages soon, and let me knwo if you need any help
[01:22] <Mithrandir> hm, anybody know the status of the remote buffer overflows in clamav?
[01:31] <tseng> Mithrandir: last with a CVE is 2004
[01:44] <Mithrandir> tseng: see http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=86638&release_id=344514
[01:44] <Mithrandir> "Changes in this release include fixes for three possible integer overflows in libclamav"
[03:54] <tools> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823
[04:20] <mxpxpod> what happened to xev?
[04:28] <\sh> infinity: ping
[04:28] <\sh> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:28] <\sh> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[04:28] <\sh> apt-get failed.
[04:28] <\sh> Package installation failed
[04:28] <\sh> infinity: on amd64
[04:28] <Lathiat> nice
[04:29] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/knet/0.6beta1-1ubuntu3/knet_0.6beta1-1ubuntu3_20050807-1512-amd64-failed.gz
[04:43] <Mez> gb.archive.ubuntu.com is so flaky
[04:44] <\sh> use archive.ubuntu.com ,-)
[04:45] <Mez> I do now :D
[04:46] <Mez> I was just growling at it and forgot to do it before
[04:46] <Amaranth> i thought they were the same machine
[05:28] <mxpxpod> mjg59: ping
[06:01] <Mez> Unpacking libglu1-mesa-dev (from .../libglu1-mesa-dev_6.2.1-5ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
[06:01] <Mez> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:01] <Mez> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[06:01] <Mez>  -> Trying to fix apt error
[06:49] <HiddenWolf> Guys, my working Breezy august8th install cd is currently printing "killed" on the screen of this very old laptop I'm trying to install on.
[06:50] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: so install hoary ;)
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> Yeah, I was planning to do that, but I thought I'd mention a screen full of scary errors. :)
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> (just trying breezy to check if some bug is still in there)
[06:52] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: breezy is still pre-alpha software, it's far from testing stage.
[06:53] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage: I reported a bug on hoary, guy asked for me to see if it's still on breezy, and since I was reinstalling, I thought I'd give it a shot.
[06:53] <highvoltage> that's weird.
[06:54] <highvoltage> it's not a good idea to install breezy to avoid problems in hoary.
[06:55] <eruin> haha
[06:55] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage: I know, but since the laptop just died under hoary, I thought I'd test breezy for 5 seconds to confirm the bugs, then install hoary again. :P
[07:37] <Mez> daniels: ping
[07:44] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: at what stage is it failing?
[07:44] <Kamion> doko: oh, it is? ok then, I'll have a look
[07:44] <Kamion> lamont: libreadline5, I think
[07:44] <Kamion> jdub: update-alternatives hurts my BRAIN
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: Right after the first few questions, location etc.
[07:46] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: can you get at tty4?
[07:46] <Kamion> knowing exactly what's getting SIGKILL would be good
[07:46] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: also, how much RAM?
[07:47] <doko> Kamion: maybe wait for pitti, he did have some concerns promoting the hsqldb server to main
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: not anymore. I proceeded installing hoary. I'll do it in a minute. 64mb.
[07:49] <Kamion> doko: libhsqldb-java can be promoted without the server, right?
[07:49] <Kamion> doko: 'tar tzvf openoffice.org2_1.9.121.orig.tar.gz | grep -i hsql' produces no output; where's the internal copy of hsqldb?
[08:00] <doko> Kamion: you have to unpack the tarball in ooo-build/src (or run debian/rules build and wait until the thing is unpacked). it's then found in ooo-build/build/src680-m121/hsqldb
[08:03] <Kamion> doko: ah, ok; in that case I've promoted it
[08:06] <doko> Kamion: thanks
[08:06] <Treenaks> Kamion: didn't daniels do a lot of that untangling in the latest upload?
[08:07] <Treenaks> Kamion: (as the changelog seemed to suggest..)
[08:07] <doko> Kamion: could you seed bison-doc? it fell to universe, when it was split out
[08:10] <Kamion> Treenaks: believe me, I'm fairly familiar with what happened in the latest xorg upload ;-)
[08:10] <Kamion> (I did the main<->universe promotion/demotion resulting from it, and fixed up mesa to be promotable to main)
[08:10] <Treenaks> Kamion: sounds messy
[08:11] <Kamion> doko: please add it to the "Documentation" section under "Rescued from Extra" in the supported seed; you have commit access
[08:13] <doko> elmo: the OOo2 build needs to write the extracted language data to some directory outside the build tree, from where it can be moved to rosetta. how should this directory made known to the build?
[08:13] <doko> Kamion: ok
[08:16] <Kamion> doko: oh, but please fix your umask on chinstrap first
[08:16] <Kamion> should be 002
[08:16] <Kamion> (and should be set in .bashrc so that it works for noninteractive shells)
[08:18] <Kamion> otherwise the seed archive ends up non-writable by anyone else
[08:18] <doko> Kamion: done
[08:38] <zAo^> Are the restricted modules for kernel 2.6.12-6.7 the same as the ones for kernel  2.6.12-6.8?
[09:01] <Kamion> zAo^: yes, the -6 part indicates the kernel ABI version, it'll be incremented to -7 if/when module compatibility is broken
[09:04] <zAo^> thanks Kamion. I need the nvidia module, thats why.
[09:12] <lamont> Kamion: debian-installer build-deps glibc-pic, rather than libc6-pic... damn virtual build-deps anyway
[09:13] <lamont> Kamion: also, d-i FTBFS on hppa/breezy because palo is in universe.
[09:18] <zyga> does anone know of a hdparm.conf gui in production?
[09:25] <Kamion> lamont: huh, AFAIK nobody's ever complained about that in Debian
[09:25] <Kamion> can't really do much about the hppa failure ...
[09:25] <lamont> Kamion: right
[09:26] <lamont> pb is the auto-dep-waiter sees the glibc-pic warning, and the failure, and dep-waits d-i on glibc-pic instead of palo. :-(
[09:27] <Kamion> lamont: fixing that upstream now
[09:27] <lamont> kewl.  thanks
[09:27] <lamont> but yeah, I only noticed it because of palo's situation
[09:51] <jdub> Kamion: heh :)
[09:55] <zyga> has mvo been here recently?
[10:32] <eazel7> what does means 'a lot less broken' means?
[10:32] <eazel7> means 'usable'?
[10:32] <crimsun> yes, it's usable.
[10:33] <crimsun> you'll want to read daniel's notes to the mailing list
[10:33] <eazel7> =) happiness fills my hd
[10:33] <eazel7> not subscribed
[10:33] <eazel7> where can I find the archive?
[10:33] <crimsun> lists.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <eazel7> thanks!
[10:39] <User666> http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823
[10:39] <User666> http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823
[11:01] <glick> excuse me, why didnt ubuntu join the debian common core alliance?
[11:02] <jdub> glick: we tend to think it'll be about as successful as UnitedLinux
[11:02] <glick> jdub, what makes you think that?
[11:02] <jdub> glick: there's nothing substantially different about the model, it's been tried before, but it has consistently failed
[11:03] <glick> im not quite sure what it even is supposed to do
[11:03] <jdub> exactly :-)
[11:04] <seth_k> Is anybody else still seeing this issue? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/02/msg00206.html
[11:04] <glick> in what areas does ubuntu need developers?
[11:05] <seth_k> old bug, but it's appeared again
[11:05] <glick> id like to help out with ubuntu
[11:05] <jdub> glick: our MOTU team would love help, and it's really easy to get involved
[11:05] <jdub> glick: MOTU are the Masters of the Universe, they maintain the universe repository
[11:06] <jdub> glick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:06] <crimsun> we definitely could use more assistance
[11:06] <crimsun> there are way too many packages for the ~1 1/2 dozen of us to wade through
[11:06] <jdub> yo crimsun
[11:06] <glick> what do they do? just maintain packages? build packages for ubuntu?
[11:06] <crimsun> jdub: hi :)
[11:06] <jdub> (crimsun is the motu hero of xfce)
[11:07] <jdub> glick: read that page :)
[11:09] <crimsun> glick: those are only a small (but certainly not miniscule) portion of what we do. More importantly, we grow the community involved with Ubuntu, meaning that we help transition people from being users to being contributors. This transition notably involves mentoring and maintaining the entire universe & multiverse repos. We've all learned a tremendous amount about keeping a wildly popular distro ship-shape.
[11:09] <glick> yeah would be cool to get involved
[11:10] <glick> i have alot of free time
[11:10] <glick> i know python, C, C++ and some bash
[11:10] <glick> although i could relearn all of bash in all of an hour
[11:11] <crimsun> We have a great MOTU team, and there are a lot of agile mentors and "mentees".
[11:11] <jdub> heh
[11:11] <crimsun> jdub: Jani and I are 50/50. :)
[11:13] <mxpxpod> have any of you guys seen this problem with firefox? http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/firefox-font-problem.png
[11:14] <kao> hello all
[11:15] <kao> is anybody familiar with scilab here
[11:51] <ogra> mdz, ldm is broken to me, i cant get it fixed... somehow the password isnt transferred right to ssh
[11:54] <ogra> the right password is shown if i let ldm print it into the logfile, if i run startx with a modified xinitrc that calls the ssh command i'm logged into my ltaps session just fine...
[11:54] <ogra> s/ltaps/ltsp
[11:54] <lamont> gdk_imlib_private.h:104: error: parse error before "XShmSegmentInfo"
[11:54] <lamont> gdk_imlib_private.h:104: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
[11:54] <lamont> feh
[11:54] <ogra> puch
[11:54] <ogra> ouch
[11:54] <ogra> even