[08:48] <salty-horse> hi. I'm on artful with gnome flashback. I noticed that the window manager style(?) has changed from 17.04. when the window's maximized, the rightmost pixel of the screen isn't in the window, so things like dragging the scrollbar in firefox doesn't work. (however, the "window close" button in the top decoration does work on the right-most pixel). can something be done about this? I'm not sure which component is responsible
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> anyone else got this after recent updates?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1718653
[15:19] <Faux> Can anyone run perf (sudo perf record -a -g sleep 2)? I have an up-to-date Artful install (that's been through a hell of upgrades) where perf fails like LP #1702056: /usr/lib/linux-tools/4.13.0-11-generic/perf: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.29-system.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:13] <uebera||> Hi. On Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, it's not possible to use OverlayFS in conjunction w/ ZFS (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu18). Has/is this been/being addressed recently/in the near future? AuFS (4.x-rcN-20160111/Kernel 4.10.0-35.39~16.04.1) works, but chokes on GlusterFS volumes, so a ZFS+GlusterFS combination is currently impossible. Sigh.
[16:14] <nacc> uebera||: is there a bug?
[16:18] <uebera||> Good question. As far as I see, nobody has reported this at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/ (there are two other overlayfs related problems). Guess I need to file a new bug...
[16:19] <nacc> that would be my first step, yeah
[17:47] <cajhne> Hi folks. I'm trying to turn off the dash to dock extension in 17.10
[17:48] <cajhne> it seems to strangely be already off.
[17:48] <cajhne> Or at least the switch is, yet the dock is still there.
[17:48] <cajhne> Known bug or?
[17:49] <cajhne> extension called "Ubuntu dock"
[17:49] <cajhne> visible in gnome-tweak-tool
[19:28] <Bashing-om> !info firefox
[19:29] <kiroma> Why has Firefox been reverted to version 50 in Artful?
[19:30] <kiroma> I swear to god if I get redirected 4th time...
[19:30] <brainwash> reverted? it has been stuck with 50 since the beginning
[19:30] <kiroma> Oh
[19:30] <brainwash> a newer version was available in -proposed all the time
[19:31] <kiroma> Okay thanks.
[19:31] <brainwash> but it was never moved from there due to some build errors on certain architectures
[19:31] <brainwash> yeah. kinda sad
[19:31] <kiroma> Zesty and Xenial though have 55 in upstream
[19:31] <kiroma> Do they not have the same issue?
[19:35] <brainwash> bug 1715030
[19:36] <kiroma> Oh thanks
[19:36] <brainwash> looks like the problem is present in xenial and zesty also
[19:37] <brainwash> but security actually matters on those releases, so firefox 55 was pushed to the users
[19:38] <kiroma> Ah I see.
[19:54] <cajhne> I'm trying to turn off the dash to dock extension in 17.10, but the switch is off even though the dock is still there...
[19:54] <cajhne> anyone else not able to turn off the dock extension?
[19:55] <cajhne> it's called "ubuntu dock" in tweak tool
[19:58] <brainwash> cajhne: bug 1713020
[20:06] <cajhne> thanks brainwash
[20:12] <cajhne> huh, I don't get it.. it's "not a bug" that there is a switch, flipped to the wrong position, and it's not possible to turn off the dock with it?
[20:15] <cajhne> That bug was marked "invalid" but it's clearly valid. Just read that whole page and there's nothing abouthow to turn off the ubuntu flvoured dash to dock
[20:17] <brainwash> cajhne: best to add a comment to the report
[20:18] <brainwash> or, ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[20:24] <cajhne> brainwash: eh, they already know about it and have marked it invalid.
[20:25] <cajhne> The work-around is to install dash to dock extension, set auto-hide, turn off dodge window, and set pressure threshold to 300
[20:25] <cajhne> then it pretty much acts like vanilla gnome again.
[20:26] <cajhne> Guess I'll add that to the comments.
[20:26] <brainwash> well yeah. however, maybe they could tweak it so that it's not confusing the user who tries to disable it
[20:27] <brainwash> or?
[20:41] <cajhne> brainwash: yea, I dunno. They know it's broken, they want to pretend like it's not. Whatever.
[20:41] <cajhne> I've added instructions for getting the dock back to how it is in vanilla gnome.
[20:42] <cajhne> I'm sure most people will probably not bother.
[20:44] <cajhne> The dock looks good and functions well enough, I just like a much cleaner desktop than most.
[20:45] <cajhne> I'm frankly jazzed as hell that nautilus got updated with the "new" multiple file rename stuff.
[20:45] <cajhne> the 5 second bootup time is nice as well. :)
[20:46] <cajhne> So it's not like they did a bad job, and I understand the decision. Just wish they could add one more option for "off"
[20:46] <cajhne> (I added that request to the bug at the end)
[20:47] <brainwash> suggestions are good and can make the difference
[20:47] <cajhne> Oh yea, and the new shade that hides what you were working on before you suspended your laptop... that has needed to happen for like 6years now.
[20:48] <cajhne> So it's finally not a security vulnerability anymore.
[20:48] <cajhne> (albeit a relatively minor one)
[20:48] <brainwash> didn't know about that
[20:49] <cajhne> yea, in the last (don't know how many) versions of ubuntu, if you suspended your laptop, it would show you the screen you were working on for up to several seconds before showing you the login. :P
[20:50] <brainwash> aha. ok, this sounds familiar
[20:50] <cajhne> it was more embarrassing than a real security risk.
[20:50] <cajhne> Privacy risk.
[20:51] <brainwash> common issue across different desktop environments, and even custom sessions
[20:51] <cajhne> But anyway, it's gone now in this ver of ubuntu (finally)
[20:51] <brainwash> cool :)
[20:51] <cajhne> Yea, really happy.
[20:51] <cajhne> have you tried out the new multi-file rename dialog in nautilus?
[20:52] <brainwash> no. personally I just run a very minimal ubuntu 17.10
[20:53] <cajhne> just select a few files (like photos from a camera), and hit F2 as if you were going to rename a file.
[20:53] <brainwash> from time to time I test the Ubuntu desktop though
[20:53] <cajhne> you should have nautilus. :)
[20:53] <brainwash> that sounds handy
[20:54] <cajhne> It is. It even shows you what the changes will look like before you hit okay.
[20:54] <brainwash> gnome 3 is in a much better shape now, but it took way too long to get there
[20:54] <cajhne> You can sequence them numerically automatically.
[20:54] <cajhne> Worth it.
[20:54] <cajhne> It's desktop-handling is second to none.
[20:55] <cajhne> And has been copied by both Apple and Microsoft in recent years.
[20:55] <cajhne> (Apple first, then MS)
[20:55] <cajhne> and Gnome still does it better.
[20:56] <cajhne> top-down desktops makes for the most intuitive priority list.
[20:56] <cajhne> It's excelent.
[20:57] <cajhne> anyway, thanks brainwash for your help. I'd have never found that bug.
[20:57] <brainwash> you're welcome cajhne
[23:50] <freibooter> Hey there, anyone here?
[23:55] <freibooter> well, bye
[23:58] <valorie> pffff


[07:07] <mborzecki> morning
[07:12] <mup> PR snapd#11174 closed: overlord: extend kernel/base success and failover with bootenv checks <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11174>
[07:21] <mardy> hi mborzecki
[07:22] <mborzecki> heya
[07:46] <mborzecki> mardy: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11175 ?
[07:46] <mup> PR #11175: tests/core/failover: enable the test on core18 <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11175>
[07:51] <mardy> mborzecki: done, approved with a question
[07:53] <mborzecki> mardy: thanks! i have another branch in progress which makes the test work with the kernel snap, i'll fix it there
[08:07] <pstolowski> morning
[08:25] <mardy> mvo: hi! The shared memory branch can be merged, the failures are unrelated: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11080
[08:25] <mup> PR #11080: builtin/interfaces: add shared memory interface <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11080>
[08:26] <mvo> mardy: yay, that's great! thank you
[08:28] <mup> PR snapd#11080 closed: builtin/interfaces: add shared memory interface <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11080>
[08:37] <mborzecki> mardy: heh forgot to add a review there yesterday, but my questionw as probbaly easy, the shm_open is implemented on top of open(.., O_CREAT|O_EXCL) i presume, so the spread test as it was should be fine
[08:38] <mborzecki> mardy: for a minute there i was wondering if maybe it'd be nice to implement the test on to op of python multiprocess.shared_memory, but in the end both shoudl do the same thing (although python would go through shm_* -> open, and shell does the same but mroe directly)
[08:52] <pstolowski> jamesh: hi! if you are still around this year, can you have a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11066 again?
[08:52] <mup> PR #11066: usersession: implement method to close notifications via usersession REST API <refresh app awareness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11066>
[09:02] <mborzecki> what was the easiest way to calculate sha3-384 on ubuntu core?
[10:12] <mborzecki> meh the failover test
[11:28] <mup> PR snapd#11176 opened: tests/core/failover: verify failover handling with the kernel snap <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11176>
[12:09] <mvo> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11163/files#diff-dcab9182b0a887488cabe00fa932dce5cf5cd4030d27f06245c8f6fcb270c994R41 <- is this line left there on purpose (the "exit 0")
[12:09] <mup> PR #11163: tests/lib/tools/tests.invariant: add invariant for detecting broken snaps <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11163>
[12:19] <mborzecki> mvo: hahah nobody noticed that, let me push a patch removing it
[12:19] <mvo> mborzecki: :-D thanks
[12:19] <mborzecki> mvo: must have been left behind by some debugging ian did before
[12:19] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, makes sense to test it this way
[12:19] <mvo> mborzecki: no worries, thanks for fixing it
[12:23] <mborzecki> mvo: and pushed
[12:30] <pstolowski> ouch
[15:29] <mup> PR snapd#11177 opened: add Altlinux support <Created by shaba> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11177>
[16:59] <mup> PR snapd#11178 opened: tests: increase the memory on test minimal-smoke with secboot disabled <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11178>
[17:20] <mup> PR snapd#11179 opened: Suppress apparmor log lines for ptrace denied <Created by peppepetra> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11179>
[17:25] <mup> PR snapd#11180 opened: tests: moving to manual opensuse 15.2 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11180>


[16:35] <joey> igg.me/at/ubuntuedge
[16:36] <FunnyLookinHat> joey, thoughts ?
[16:37] <joey> I bought one :-)
[16:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Slick
[16:41] <joey> $600 for my new desktop isn't bad :-)
[16:46] <joey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJ65UG_WgFa_O_odbiBWZoA
[16:57] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll believe the desktop replacement theory when I see it.
[16:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Thus far, ARM has not sustained enough of a performance gain from one revision to the next to impress me ( unless you do nothing but basic web browsing... )
[16:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Now if it was going to be Intel....  :D


[23:02] <mup> Issue operator#521 opened: type hint for charm_class should include subtypes <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/521>
[23:53] <mup> PR operator#522 opened: We take a class, not an object <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/522>


[00:39] <jtayloy3222> Hey man, which app utility is used to backup Lubuntu 13.10?
[04:48] <Jaybot> i need help with permissions
[04:48] <ianorlin> permissons on what?
[04:48] <Jaybot> i have a webserver with lubuntu
[04:48] <Jaybot> i remote into it using ftp/ssh
[04:49] <Jaybot> when i update the site using ftp, apache can no longer serve up the pages
[04:49]  * ianorlin isn't good with those maybe someone else
[04:49] <Jaybot> ok thanks anyway :)
[04:52] <Jaybot> This guide looks promising: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68007/configuring-permissions-for-ftp-and-apache
[04:52] <Jaybot> but i'm afraid to run through taht without some help
[04:54] <ianorlin> were you reloading apache?
[04:54] <Jaybot> oh no
[04:54] <Jaybot> haha hang on let me try that
[04:58] <Jaybot> is it            sudo service apache2 reload                 or           sudo service apache2 restart                 aka what's the difference?
[04:59] <ianorlin> in the askubuntu answer you linked I think it was sudo  /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[05:02] <Jaybot> ok so reload happened, but there is still a permissions issue on the page I just ftp copied over
[05:03] <ianorlin> I need more than a permissons issue?
[05:03] <Jaybot> would you like go to a pm? I can show you my webpage and the particulars
[05:05] <ianorlin> not really as then others can't jump in to help
[05:05] <Jaybot> ok
[05:05] <Jaybot> sec i'll provide some info
[05:07] <Jaybot> there is a link at the bottom of www.vancitynetworking.com
[05:09] <Jaybot> it's called 'eflyer' and apache can't host it for what i think is a permissions issue. I think I have to do a chown type command to give apache permission
[05:09] <Jaybot> another command that is useful is   ls -al       it shows the file permissions
[05:10] <Jaybot> but i dont really know what i'm doing :/
[05:17] <ianorlin> does it work on localhost?
[05:18] <Jaybot> on my main development pc it works fine
[05:18] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions shows info on file permissons
[05:18] <Jaybot> but when I ftp copy it to my webserver that link doesn't work
[05:19] <Jaybot> ok thanks
[05:29] <Jaybot> what's up zombie hoffa, are you in Calgary?
[05:30] <Unit193> Are they jaybot:jaybot 644 when you transfer them?
[05:31] <Jaybot> the file that works fine is:             -rw-rwxr--  1 www-data www-data    211 Jan  5 21:06 index.html
[05:32] <Jaybot> the directory whose contents can't be read is:                drwx--S---  2 human    www-data   4096 Jan  5 20:31 eflyer
[05:32] <Jaybot> it appears the group        www-data doesn't have read or execute privileges to the directory
[05:32] <Jaybot> could that be the problem?
[05:32] <Jaybot> apache2 is part of the www-data group
[05:34] <Jaybot> I'm looking for a command that will "add read+write permissions" for the "group www-data" to the "directory eflyer and all it's contents"
[05:34] <Jaybot> and i'm getting close, just reading this documentation
[05:34] <ianorlin> have you read man chmod
[05:35] <Jaybot> idk i dont think so
[05:35] <ianorlin> that is the command but you should read manual so you learn it for yourself
[05:36] <Jaybot> will do thanks
[05:46] <Jaybot> Got it, thanks for the advice and the link ianorlin :)
[05:46] <ianorlin> you're welcome
[06:20] <Jaybot> goodnight folks
[06:20] <ianorlin> goodnight
[13:06] <koell> How to autostart applications on lubuntu at start up? I tried .desktop files in .config/autostart but no application in there starts.
[13:16] <koell> How can I autostart applications in lubuntu? All those methods on http://askubuntu.com/questions/159008/how-to-add-startup-applications-in-lubuntu didn't work. :(
[13:20] <koell> ok got it >>> http://askubuntu.com/a/377407
[13:37] <harmem> hi, is this the correct place to ask about issues with the ppc version?
[14:39] <luckydb> hello guys, does it work for anybody lubuntu touchscreen and onboard keyboard?
[14:39] <luckydb> (onboard:15515): ERROR **: AT-SPI: COuldn't connect to accessibility bus
[18:10] <E8newallm> Is it possible to download the entire Lubuntu source code anywhere?
[18:12] <holstein> E8newallm: the source is available for anything in the source repository.. you can also download the entire iso anytime... there is no "click here to download the entire source of everything" button, since, that would be a challenge to maintain
[18:12] <holstein> E8newallm: you might want to just download a live CD, and poke around in a package manager.. though, you can likely browse whatever you are looking for without being on the live CD
[18:13] <holstein> E8newallm: the repos are the main ubuntu ones, so there will be no "lubuntu" specific ones needed
[18:13] <E8newallm> I was more after like the source code of the live disk
[18:14] <holstein> E8newallm: you can download the live disc
[18:14] <E8newallm> Like the basic ubuntu/lubuntu installation
[18:14] <E8newallm> is the live disk source code?
[18:14] <holstein> E8newallm: im not sure what you are after
[18:15] <holstein> E8newallm: the build scripts?
[18:15] <E8newallm> Ermm
[18:15] <E8newallm> Nah
[18:16] <E8newallm> Is there no base linux/lubuntu system?
[18:16] <holstein> E8newallm: linux is the kernel.. lubuntu is an official variant of ubuntu
[18:17] <holstein> E8newallm: the source for everything is in the repositories
[18:17] <E8newallm> Ah right ok
[18:17] <E8newallm> Is there a list anywhere of what software lubuntu is made of?
[18:18] <E8newallm> As in what software lubuntu uses on top of linux to make a bare system?
[18:18] <holstein> E8newallm: linux is just the kernel.. it uses the main ubuntu repositories.. official sources from the ubuntu repositories
[18:18] <E8newallm> (Sorry if I'm not describing myself well :P)
[18:19] <holstein> E8newallm: there is not "bare system".. just whatever gets put together from the sources
[18:19] <holstein> !mini | E8newallm is as close to a bare system on an iso that i know of
[18:19] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/lubuntu-desktop describes the lubuntu-desktop metapackage.. but there would be more packages in the lubuntu distro
[18:20] <E8newallm> I think they're what I'm after
[18:20] <holstein> one could download the live CD, and load up a package manager, such as synaptic, and look and see what is installed
[18:20] <holstein> there will be lots of dependencies and lib's that may not be listed there that will be pulled in as well
[18:22] <holstein> E8newallm: i need to run.. feel free and ask in #ubuntu , if its slow here, and you ned to know something about packages in general
[18:22] <E8newallm> Alright, thanks for your help, I think that minimal was what I'm after :0
[18:22] <E8newallm> :)*
[18:50] <Hutch> Hello #Lubuntu
[18:53] <Hutch> I thought there was a centre for setting in lubuntu. Must have got mixed up with the software center
[18:53] <Hutch> *settings
[18:56] <Hutch> interesting. I never knew that
[19:01] <ianorlin> there was but it was just links to programs
[19:01] <ianorlin> any setting in partiuclar you want to change?
[19:02] <Hutch> Hi ianorlin touchpad scrolling  to 2 fingers
[19:03] <Hutch> the side scroller does my head in. I keep going to the 2nd desktop or in game it zooms in/out
[19:06] <Hutch> I'm thinking I'll need to install synaptics
[19:11] <ianorlin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKhxT5AHqP4 shows configuring touchpad I am not that expiernced
[19:12] <ianorlin> terminal based synclient is installed
[19:16] <Hutch> ok thanks ianorlin
[19:26] <Hutch> I have installed gsynaptics and disabled continuous edge scrolling but I can still edge scroll :-(
[19:26] <ianorlin> Hutch do you mean enabled?
[19:27] <Hutch> I uncheckeed enable
[19:27] <ianorlin> oh
[19:27] <ianorlin> is there an apply button you have to hit?
[19:27] <Hutch> but it still allows me to do it
[19:28] <Hutch> Nope just check boxes but let me re check
[19:29] <Hutch> nope. There's an ok button (I pressed it) but no luck
[19:30] <Hutch> there is a two finger scroll option but it makes no sense if you can still scroll with one finger
[19:32] <Hutch> I'll reboot
[19:32] <Hutch> brb
[19:32] <ianorlin> ok
[19:38] <Hutch> Eureka
[19:40] <Hutch> Wasn't the obvious cont edge scrolling option but the slightly less obv enable vertical scrolling option :)
[19:40] <ianorlin> ah
[19:43] <Hutch> http://gyazo.com/161bb03e34c0a16528f7f24027814c26
[19:44] <Hutch> ^^screenshot using gyazo. a neat little screen capture app I found yesterday
[19:46] <ianorlin> lubuntu has scrot which you can launch from the terminal installed by default
[19:46] <Hutch> no more annoying accidental edge scrolling :-D My life is once more complete and fulfilling......Well nearly ;-)
[19:47] <Hutch> Thanks ianorlin GL with your interview ;)


[00:37] <message144> Hi, does anyone know a way to disable the transparent terminal window that the Ubuntu Dust theme sets? FYI, it is not the same as the transparency setting for the terminal profile.
[14:26] <coz_> vish,   hey guy
[14:26] <vish> coz_: hey!
[14:26] <coz_> vish,  I was wondering..if you get any free time..if you wouldnt mind looking through the ccsm icons i made  and see if anything is wrong with them?
[14:27] <vish> coz_: sure, but i'm at the UDS this week..
[14:27] <coz_> ah yes I completely forgot
[14:27] <coz_> vish,  ok no problem
[14:27] <coz_> sorry didnt mean to disturb you
[14:27] <vish> coz_: no probs, just give me a link, i'll have a look at it when can sneak a moment :)
[14:28] <coz_> vish,   cool I really appreciate this :)   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/compiz%2B%2B/ccsm-Tango.tar.gz
[14:28] <vish> coz_: thx..
[14:28] <coz_> vish,  a comment was made that they are no on the "pixel grid"  and therfor blurry
[14:29] <vish> coz_: yea, if icon is not pixel aligned, it becomes blurry..
[14:29] <coz_> vish,  ok I will have to goolge  to understand that precisely
[14:30] <vish> coz_: hmm.. well, you have to make icons with gird displayed..
[14:30] <coz_> ok  I can probably edit these easily then
[14:32] <vish> coz_: take the example of  ccsm-Tango/scalable/apps/plugin-animationsim.svg
[14:32] <coz_> ok
[14:32] <vish> open it in inkscape... you'll see the lower rectangle
[14:32] <vish> select view » grid
[14:33] <coz_> ooo
[14:33] <vish> you'll see that the border lines dont align with the grid.. hence it is blurry
[14:33] <coz_> understood
[14:33] <coz_> damn I should have paid more attention to this
[18:33] <xapantu> Hi all!
[18:34] <xapantu> I saw the new advertisment (this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYTJPaM82nQ&feature=player_embedded )
[18:35] <xapantu> I would like to know if I could get the source ? I would like to make a french version.
[18:36] <xapantu> Obviously, I will totally understand if you don't want to share your great work ^^ (I know it would be cause some problem...)
[18:38] <xapantu> Or maybe I am not in the right place ?
[19:09] <xapantu> (I repost my message since some person came)
[19:09] <xapantu> I saw the new advertisment (this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYTJPaM82nQ&feature=player_embedded )
[19:09] <xapantu> I would like to know if I could get the source ? I would like to make a french version. Obviously, I will totally understand if you don't want to share your great work ^^ (I know it would be cause some problem...) Or maybe I am not in the right place ?
[22:06] <islington> vish are you attending the gtk themeing session
[22:07] <vish> islington: hey, i'm now in the chinese design session..
[22:08] <islington> ooh interesting I thought that was restricted to tomorrow morning


 Fwd from acheronuk: My internet connection is playing up a bit, so if I vanish for a while, that is likely why
[19:43] <valorie> "playing up" to say "being spotty" is sooooo brit
 Finals Are Terrible, so I'll be in and out myself until I fly out to SELF.
 Then I'll see @ahoneybun in person. :)
[20:00] <valorie> tsimonq2: didn't do enough studying?
 @valorie, Not yet.
[20:09] <valorie> cramming.... not the most productive
 I'm not even cramming though
 These exams are hard.
 I had a six page term paper that I had to polish too
 The Cuban Missile Crisis... :/
[20:13] <valorie> I'm glad to hear that there is some rigor in high shool education
[20:14] <valorie> the only hard class I had was chemistry
[20:14] <valorie> I mean the only one I really had to work for
[20:14] <valorie> otoh I did write some long papers and I'm pretty sure that they were crap
[20:19] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:19] <tsimonq2> I had to do a lab report for Chemistry... took me an hour (everyone else spent at least triple that) and I aced it.
[20:22] <valorie> it was my most enjoyable class because it was challenging
[20:22] <tsimonq2> Right
[20:22] <tsimonq2> Challenging classes ... keep you awake. :P
[20:24] <valorie> huh, i filled the hummingbird feeders yesterday, and today they are empty
[20:24] <valorie> they must have babies!
[20:24]  * valorie goes to fill them again


[08:49] <rtgoing> hello-test
[08:52] <rtgoing> I am having a series of warnings when executing 'sudo apt update'. They are all in the form of: `W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)`
[08:53] <rtgoing> This is the output of `lsb_release -a` :
[08:54] <rtgoing> `No LSB modules are available.
[08:54] <rtgoing> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[08:54] <rtgoing> Description:    Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[08:54] <rtgoing> Release:        22.04
[08:54] <rtgoing> Codename:       jammy
[08:54] <rtgoing> `


[20:40] <veebers> Morning all o/
[20:44] <thumper> morning
[20:46] <thumper> veebers: do you know where our jenkins top level unit test jobs collection went?
[20:46] <veebers> thumper: no, let me have a look at what you're seeing
[20:46] <veebers> thumper: what link are you looking at?
[20:46] <thumper> veebers: as in hangout and screen share?
[20:47] <thumper> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/
[20:47] <thumper> not logged in
[20:47] <thumper> logged in don't see it either
[20:48] <veebers> thumper: I don't understand what you're asking
[20:48] <thumper> veebers: we used to have a tab along the top, like the functional tests, ci-run etc, that said unit tests
[20:48] <thumper> and it was the latest unit test runs
[20:48] <thumper> so we could see general good/bad
[20:49] <veebers> thumper: I never used the views, I haven't changed anything. The views aren't managed by JJB, so are edited manually
[20:49] <thumper> hmm...
[20:49] <veebers> thumper: it's possible that a recent jenkins/plugin update chnaged things
[20:49] <thumper> I'm sure we used to have one there...
[20:49]  * thumper nods
[20:50] <veebers> thumper: If I go to the ci-run tab I can see the top level jobs there (unit, build etc.) and that takes me to the unit jobs.
[20:50] <thumper> that takes me to the multijob list though
[20:51] <thumper> we used to have a view that had a graph...
[20:51] <thumper> remember that?
[20:51] <veebers> thumper: only vaguely that you used something like that sorry
[20:52] <thumper> that's ok
[20:52] <veebers> thumper: I suspect a recent updaet changed things
[20:52] <thumper> I'll poke around
[20:52] <veebers> sweet, I can't offer much help sorry I haven't played to much with views
[20:52] <veebers> I'm pretty sure you can't break anything though so go nuts with what you try :-)
[20:57] <thumper> Added a view...
[20:57] <thumper> looks like our windows unit tests haven't been running for a month
[20:57] <veebers> thumper: seriously ugh /me looks too
[20:58] <veebers> thumper: ugh, zero errors or messages too; yay
[20:59] <veebers> oh wait, there kind of is 'scp ... operation in progress'. Have I seen that before? /me checks notes
[20:59] <veebers> yeah I think I have
[21:00] <veebers> thumper: I'll reboot that machine (and maybe check if it needs cleanup)
[21:00] <thumper> ok
[21:02] <veebers> thumper: FYI I log in and see "Low disk space" warning dialog. I might be crazy, but we might be running low on disk
[21:13] <thumper> heh


[15:23] <hggdh> skaet: here it is: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/packagesets
[15:28] <skaet> thanks hggdh.
[16:25] <micahg> that doesn't have all package sets (not sure what the actual question was)
[16:48] <cjwatson> yes, use the API if you want actual current data rather than aspirational data


[04:09] <eayoungs> disconnect
[06:25] <tumbleweed> bdrung: urgh, sorry, I temporarily broke our PPA. I accidentally jumped from 0.134 to 0.136 and then fixed it. I'll update the daily build to hardcode 0.136 until we've uploaded 0.135
[07:40] <hrw> cjwatson: sorry for mess. will do it better next time
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <pmjdebruijn> morning
[08:16] <Laney> Subject: haskell-csv_0.1.2-1~bpo60+1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into squeeze-backports
[08:17] <Laney> bdrung: ^
[08:17] <Laney> also, good morning :-)
[08:19] <nigelb> Morning Laney
[08:21] <cemc> broder: seems to be ok this time, tested the package and I've also updated the bugreport
[09:50] <Rhonda> huch
[09:50] <Rhonda> $> apt-get source qcake  # does fetch me 0.7.2-2build1 instead of what I expected from debian sid :)
[09:53] <Laney> pull-debian-source :-)
[11:56] <dupondje> pbuilder really doesn't show cleanly what depend its missing when I try to build something :(
[11:56] <dupondje> any idea's how I can find out what one is th blocker ?
[12:10] <dupondje> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/738142/
[12:10] <dupondje> whats missing now :s
[12:22] <geser> that's the reason I use gdebi for build-depends installation as it passes the list of packages to apt instead of a dummy package
[12:22] <cjwatson> suspicious for *all* those to be virtual.  I wonder if it's forgotten about some important Packages files.
[12:22] <cjwatson> if it's etch, well, who knows
[12:24] <geser> dupondje: login into that pbuilder and check if the sources.list looks good
[12:27] <dupondje> deb http://archive.kernel.org/debian-archive/debian-security/ etch/updates main
[12:27] <dupondje> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/archive/ etch main contrib non-free
[12:27] <dupondje> looks fine :s
[12:28] <cjwatson> apt-get update and see if you can e.g. 'apt-cache show autoconf'
[12:30] <dupondje> works fine
[12:32] <geser> hmm
[12:32] <dupondje> its weird
[12:32] <dupondje> tried to apt-get some packages, and it works just fine in the pbuilder
[12:32] <dupondje> so it can get the packages
[12:35] <dupondje> hmz
[12:35] <dupondje> 646008
[12:36] <dupondje> err
[12:36] <dupondje> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646008
[12:52] <dupondje> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:52] <dupondje> keeps trying to look at those files also for some reason :)
[12:54] <StevenK> dupondje: etch is no longer on ftp.d.o
[12:54] <dupondje> I know, I supplied --mirror archive.de.debian.org .. but still looks for that file somehow
[12:55] <StevenK> archive.de.debian.org == NXDOMAIN
[12:56] <dupondje> errr ftp.de.debian.org
[12:57] <StevenK> Etch isn't on http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/ either
[12:57] <StevenK> Try --mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/archive/
[12:59] <dupondje> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/archive/ etch main contrib non-free
[12:59] <dupondje> have this now in source.list
[12:59] <dupondje> sources.list*
[13:01] <StevenK> That should actually work
[13:02] <StevenK> However, pbuilder does its work in two steps
[13:02] <StevenK> There is the debootstrap phase, which uses --debootstrap-mirror or so, and the second phase, which installs build-essential and so on, which uses --mirror
[13:03] <StevenK> Oh, you have to use --debootstrapopts
[13:04] <StevenK> --debootstrapopts http://ftp.de.debian.org/archive/ --mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/archive/
[13:05] <dupondje> lets try :)
[13:10] <dupondje> I: running debootstrap
[13:10] <dupondje> /usr/sbin/debootstrap
[13:10] <dupondje> E: No such script: http://ftp.debian.org/debian
[13:10] <dupondje> what ?! :)
[13:11] <dupondje> lets try again
[13:13] <dupondje> nope :(
[13:13] <dupondje> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[13:13] <dupondje> still same error :(
[13:15] <Laney> you probably want archive.debian.org
[13:16] <dupondje> lets see if that works
[13:17] <Laney> the dists/ directory is useful to see what a mirror has
[13:17] <dupondje> I: Retrieving Packages
[13:17] <dupondje> and then nothing ... :)
[13:17] <Laney> wait?
[13:18] <Laney> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release
[13:20] <dupondje> its still showing Retrieving Packages :s
[13:20] <dupondje> weird
[13:28] <dupondje> that doesn't seem to work, still waiting for 'Retrieving Packages' :(
[13:28] <dupondje> pbuilder-dist etch create --mirror http://archive.debian.org/debian/
[13:56] <dupondje> bleh :( unable to fix it :(
[14:15] <dupondje> pfft, whatever I try to do, it wants to use ftp.debian.org
[14:20] <geser> check with --debug-echo if pbuilder-dist does correctly pass your --mirror to the real pbuilder
[14:24] <dupondje> ['sudo', 'HOME=/home/dupondje', 'ARCH=amd64', 'DIST=etch', 'pbuilder', '--build', '--distribution', 'etch', '--buildresult', '/home/dupondje/pbuilder/etch_result/', '--aptcache', '/var/cache/apt/archives/', '--override-config', '--basetgz', '/home/dupondje/pbuilder/etch-base.tgz', '--logfile', '/home/dupondje/pbuilder/etch_result/last_operation.log', '--bindmounts', '/var/cache/archive/', '--mirror', 'http://ftp.debian.org/debian', '--debootstrapo
[14:24] <dupondje> 2 times --mirror it seems :s
[14:28] <geser> try setting MIRRORSITE="http://archive.debian.org/debian/" before calling pbuilder-dist (I hope I read the code correctly)
[14:32] <dupondje> doesn't seem to work neither :(
[14:36] <geser> let's see if bdrung or tumbleweed can help you as they hopefully know better how the mirror selection in pbuilder-dist work
[14:38] <tumbleweed> there is no mirror selection
[14:38] <tumbleweed> but we just fixed that in trunk
[14:41] <dupondje> where exactly ? :)
[14:41] <tumbleweed> dupondje: lp:ubuntu-dev-tools (or just grab a recent build from the ubuntu-dev-tools ppa: https://launchpad.net/~udt-developers/+archive/daily
[14:46] <dupondje> anyway did some mods in the code now, and its working :)
[14:46] <dupondje> finally :)
[14:47] <dupondje> thanks all!
[17:43] <tumbleweed> Laney: how tolerant are we about duplicates in ubuntu_uplaod_history?
[17:43] <Laney> in what way?
[17:44] <tumbleweed> it looks like the mboxes are going to get some duplicates
[17:44] <tumbleweed> same history item imported in a second run
[17:44] <Laney> from your data?
[17:44] <tumbleweed> I'm cleaning them up by hand, but I'm wondering if that's necessar, and wondering if that'll be happening in the future too
[17:44] <tumbleweed> yeah
[17:45] <tumbleweed> finished importing, btw
[17:45] <tumbleweed> just topping up the ends, with uploads since I imported each series, which is why I'm seeing this
[17:47] <tumbleweed> I think getPublishedSources() continues picking up new records that land while you are iterating thorugh it
[17:47] <Laney> nice
[17:48] <Laney> so we should go back to taking the mtime at the end?
[17:48] <Laney> end of the loop
[17:48] <tumbleweed> well, then we risk losing things. Which is why I'm asking how duplicate-sensitive we are
[17:48] <tumbleweed> also, we are trusting the Dates in the changes files, which can be a month or two out of sync with the publication date
[17:49] <tumbleweed> don't know if you'd noticed that
[17:49] <Laney> not as created_since_date?
[17:51] <Laney> i don't see how you lose things if you getPublishedSources behaves as you say and we take the timestamp at the right time
[17:51] <tumbleweed> I mostly noticed it with kernel SRUs, which probably spenda while being tested in a PPA, so that might be correct behavior
[17:52] <tumbleweed> Laney: well, we don't know at what point it stops noticing new things
[17:52] <tumbleweed> but I'm pretty sure it picked up things that appered during a 8 hour run
[17:54] <tumbleweed> oh my per-release changes were probably also completely unhelpful for your normal cronjob use, because it would only look at the devel release. I've just committed a fix for that.
[17:54] <Laney> you could take the latest created date you see as the next starting time
[17:55] <tumbleweed> that sounds correct
[17:55] <Laney> maybe +1 if it is inclusive
[17:55] <tumbleweed> it is according to the docs
[17:56] <Laney> i start seeing python i don't understand
[17:56]  * Laney quivers
[17:58] <tumbleweed> **params ?
[17:58] <Laney> yep
[17:58] <Laney> did lp have correct changesfile links all the way back?
[17:58] <tumbleweed> it's pretty straight-forward :)
[17:59] <tumbleweed> check the log files: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/out/ (I can tar + gz if you want)
[17:59] <tumbleweed> there were a good number of missing changes files in the middle, and the occasional missing changelog everywhere
[18:00] <Laney> if it did then we can forget about merging with the old data
[18:00] <tumbleweed> grep Traceback out/*.log | wc -l
[18:00] <tumbleweed> 14
[18:01] <tumbleweed> $ grep skipping out/*.log | wc -l
[18:01] <tumbleweed> 14
[18:01] <tumbleweed> ah, those went together, nm that
[18:01] <Laney> seems ok
[18:02] <Laney> i had already merged your branch which defaulted to the dev release :(
[18:02] <tumbleweed> ooh, a changes file without a version :)
[18:02] <Laney> so if you can make sure that < precise are current when i take them
[18:03] <tumbleweed> ok, oneiric is still importing
[18:03] <tumbleweed> and I think we can get the samp files to behave correctly before the SRU people accept anything more
[18:04] <tumbleweed> $ grep '404 for \.changes' out/*.log | wc -l
[18:04] <tumbleweed> 567
[18:07] <cjwatson> dear etherpad, stop signing me out every five minutes
[18:08] <ogra_> builtin typing break :)
[18:19] <Laney> just got a text reading "Steak!"
[18:19] <Laney> therefore I am afraid UDD will have to wait :P
[18:20] <tumbleweed> \o/
[18:20] <Resistance> ;p;
[18:20]  * tumbleweed should eat too
[18:20] <Resistance> lol *
[18:20] <Laney> however I discovered timestamp.resolution
[18:20] <Laney> params['created_since_date'] = since + timedelta.resolution or summat
[18:20] <Laney> ttyl
[19:10] <cemc> broder: ping.
[19:10] <broder> cemc: yes?
[19:10] <cemc> broder: what happens now with that pdns-recursor backporting?
[19:11] <cemc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/888627
[19:11] <Resistance> hey broder i have a question for ya if you wouldnt mind a /query
[19:12] <broder> cemc: backports require an archive admin to process, so we're waiting for them to do that
[19:12] <broder> Resistance: yes?
[19:13] <Resistance> broder:  you have the message via /query... partly because i dont want to fill the channel and partly because i had already typed /msg broder :P
[19:13] <cemc> broder: right, ok. thanks for the help. or, better yet thanks for doing it ;)
[19:13] <broder> cemc: i'll have to upload the hardy backport by hand since there are source changes, but i want to hold off on doing that until the others have been processed
[19:14] <cemc> broder: got it. let me know if there's anything I can help with
[19:14] <Resistance> broder:  also, how often is packages.ubuntu.com updated with what has been put into the <dist>-backports repos for each distribution/release?
[19:14] <broder> Resistance: i know nothing about how packages.u.c is run
[19:15] <Resistance> broder:  then perhaps you can tell me how i can check the oneiric repos from a natty system?
[19:15]  * Resistance isnt even sure that's possible
[19:15] <broder> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package> will list the versions in all pockets for all current releases
[19:15] <broder> that's source package, not binary package
[19:15] <Resistance> indeed
[19:15] <Resistance> oop nevermind, i got my answer
[19:15] <Resistance> :)
[19:16]  * Resistance found what he was looking for
[19:18] <tumbleweed> Laney: hrm, I'm not convinced we have the right stamp file handling yet. The things that were uploaded during the scraping appared in the right places alphabetically. That means, to me, that we can't know whether we picked up everything that was uploaded during scraping
[19:18] <Laney> let's just ask someone what it is supposed to do
[19:23] <Laney> if it is indeed like that then we'll just have to ignore things uploaded after we made the request
[19:23] <Laney> created
[19:23] <tumbleweed> that's another option
[19:29] <tumbleweed> Resistance: please don't worry about asking questions here. That's what the channel's for. Generally asking thinsg in public is better than private, because more people can help out
[19:30] <Resistance> tumbleweed:  true, but it wasnt a support question  ;P
[19:30] <tumbleweed> Resistance: there's also rmadison (the command)
[19:30] <tumbleweed> this isn't a support channel, it's (amongst other things) a place where people learn their way around ubuntu development
[19:31] <Resistance> indeed
[19:31] <Resistance> next time i'll post here :P
[19:31]  * Resistance goes back to hunting down an elusive bug in a program he coded.
[19:48] <blair> hello, i've prepared a merge to update the rbtools package (https://code.launchpad.net/~blair/ubuntu/precise/rbtools/rbtools-fix-886436/+merge/81388) and it's failing for a reviewer with this bzr merge error: bzr: ERROR: None 0.3.4 was not found in <PristineTarSource ...>.  What am I missing?  It looks like I just need to run bzr merge-upstream?  I already unpacked and dropped the upstream tarball in this branch
[19:56] <blair> does bzr merge-upstream manage everything with dropping a new tarball into an existing checkout?
[20:07] <tumbleweed> blair: no idea. But you should be trying to get that through debian, if possible
[20:08] <blair> tumbleweed, i have a ticket opened, cloned debian's git repository for the package, updated the package and pushed it to github for them to download, but there's been no movement yet
[20:10] <tumbleweed> ah. I see that debian bug, but no mention of your github repo in it
[20:13] <blair> ok, i was privately emailing the debian maintainer, i'll put that into the ticket
[20:14] <tumbleweed> any reply from him?
[20:20] <blair> tumbleweed, no.  also, i just updated the ticket with my work, github location and a few questions
[20:29] <tumbleweed> blair: to answer your questions, git-buildpcakge includes tools to make importing new upstream sources easy
[20:29] <tumbleweed> and yes, it's normal to delete files during build. We delete files that get automatically generated. If we don't delete them, our tools assume we intentionally modified them.
[20:30] <blair> tumbleweed, thanks, i'll remember using git-buildpackage
[21:32] <broder> tumbleweed: hmm...so backportpackage doesn't actually look at the forward deps/build-deps of a package
[21:33] <broder> i know that's obviously tricky because of substvar stuff
[21:37] <tumbleweed> broder: you mean check if it's backportable?
[21:37] <broder> yeah
[21:38] <tumbleweed> yeah, that can't be completely analyzed statically
[21:38] <broder> right
[21:39] <broder> i'm looking at bug #890191. usb-modeswitch-data has a breaks: usb-modeswitch (<< older than natty or so), and i'm trying to figure out if an automated tool should be determining that so i don't have to, and if so which automated tool that should be
[21:39] <broder> (i.e. requestbackport vs. my backport-bug-supervising-bot pony)
[21:39] <CarlFK> james_w:     http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/squid-deb-proxy/oneiric/view/head:/debian/squid-deb-proxy.postinst   Revision ID<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:40] <CarlFK> james_w:  that's you, right?  (and ping.. no clue if you are around)
[21:40] <james_w> CarlFK, yeah, but it's a bot
[21:40] <tumbleweed> broder: test build it :)
[21:40] <broder> yeah, probably the right answer
[21:40] <CarlFK> james_w: what's a bot?
[21:41] <james_w> CarlFK, a robot, an unattended process
[21:41] <tumbleweed> broder:  a lot of the time, it's tight a debhelper dependency that could be loosened with some rules tweaks, or something like that
[21:42] <CarlFK> um.. never mind the bot confusion.. that postinst - I think it is stepping on the installer's proxy setting:             Bug #889656
[21:42] <tumbleweed> broder: it's certainly possible to highlight potential problems, but there'd be false positives & negatives
[21:43] <broder> yeah. i think i'll plan to put that sort of logic into my bot, since that way i can change it without having to push out patches
[21:43] <CarlFK> wondering if my conclusion is reasonable
[21:49] <james_w> CarlFK, sounds possible
[21:49] <james_w> I don't know any specifics about that package though
[21:50] <CarlFK> james_w: k - I'll add it to the bug.
[22:17] <CarlFK> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/squid-deb-proxy/oneiric/files/head:/debian/
[22:18] <CarlFK> that has both squid-deb-proxy-client and squid-deb-proxy
[22:18] <CarlFK> what scripts get run if I just install squid-deb-proxy-client ?
[22:26] <RAOF> CarlFK: If you just install squid-deb-proxy-client there are no maintainer scripts.
[22:28] <CarlFK> RAOF: k .. where is the list of what gets installed where?
[22:29] <CarlFK> I am guessing this gets put in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/squid-deb-proxy/oneiric/view/head:/30autoproxy
[22:29] <RAOF> CarlFK: debian/squid-deb-proxy-client.install
[22:31] <CarlFK> RAOF: forgive my ignorance... what do those 2 lines tell me?
[22:32] <RAOF> Those are the things which are in debian/tmp after the upstream build/install process has finished that will be in the squid-deb-proxy-client package.
[22:33] <broder> CarlFK: you might want to check out the packaging guide if you're trying to understand how a particular package works. http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/debian-dir-overview.html in particular seems relevant
[22:34] <CarlFK> broder: hoping not to have to go that deep :)
[22:34] <CarlFK> but I just found what I was looking for
[22:34] <broder> i think you already might be that deep
[22:34] <CarlFK> heh
[22:34] <broder> (the page i linked is honestly fairly surface-level and introductory)
[22:44] <CarlFK> woo... I am on my way back up!  broken install fixed with: rm /target/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/30autoproxy
[22:44] <CarlFK> which seems enough detail for the bug report
[22:44] <CarlFK> fixing it is someone elses problem
[22:50] <broder> CarlFK: it sounds like squid-deb-proxy-client just doesn't work inside a chroot
[22:51] <CarlFK> broder: depends on your definition of "work" :)
[22:51] <CarlFK> my install uses d-i mirror/http/proxy string http://chris:8000/
[22:51] <CarlFK> squid-deb-proxy-client seems to clobber that
[22:52] <broder> ...right. that seems like it's by design
[22:52] <CarlFK> yeah, I am not sure what 'right' is
[22:53] <broder> i think there's an issue that /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover will return a bogus result if there's no avahi-advertised proxy available
[22:54] <broder> but squid-deb-proxy-client's design is that you install it and it starts using that proxy
[22:54] <CarlFK> broder: well, the proxy is there and advertising..
[22:54] <broder> advertising over avahi?
[22:54] <CarlFK> yep
[22:55] <broder> ok, then my next guess would be that the debian-installer environment doesn't have avahi setup and working, and the package relies on that
[22:55] <CarlFK> install finished and rebooted.. I need to get back into the installer shell and see if I can run apt-avahi-discover
[22:55] <CarlFK> right
[22:57] <broder> that seems pretty likely, given the constraints on d-i
[22:58] <CarlFK> im actually wondering why it is stepping on the installers settings
[22:59] <CarlFK> my guess is the installer is doing a chroot before things are setup enough
[22:59] <broder> it's stepping on the installer settings because the purpose of the package is to step on settings
[22:59] <broder> if you don't want the package changing the proxy settings, you shouldn't install it
[22:59] <broder> that's how this particular package works
[23:01] <CarlFK> but the installer has it's own settings
[23:01] <CarlFK> kinda like it has its own root user
[23:01] <broder> no, the installer has settings that it injects into the target chroot when it starts
[23:02] <broder> anyway, i argue that the real bug is that apt-avahi-discover prints out something (and even worse, something starting with "http://") when it can't find anything
[23:03] <broder> if it exited without printing anything when it didn't find a result, apt would ignore it and everything would be fine
[23:10] <CarlFK> ~ # chroot /target /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover
[23:10] <CarlFK> Failed to create client object: Daemon not running
[23:11] <CarlFK> but it returns: http://:/
[23:13] <broder> exactly
[23:14] <broder> (the "failed to create client object" bit is probably not problematic, because it's almost certainly printed to stderr and not stdout
[23:14] <broder> )
[23:16] <CarlFK> so my solution is to not install that as part of the install.  I'll let someone else figure out how it should behave
[23:17] <CarlFK> bug 889656
[23:17] <broder> bah. you're going to make me go fix it now
[23:17] <CarlFK> lol
[23:17] <broder> i'm supposed to be working
[23:17] <CarlFK> didn't know you were the someone else
[23:17] <broder> i get irritated when i see simple bugs where i understand the solution unfixed
[23:18] <Resistance> haha lol
[23:18] <broder> it's something of a character flaw
[23:18] <CarlFK> I know the feeling
[23:19] <CarlFK> I pretty much spent all day tracking this down, even though it wasn't causing a real problem
[23:19] <CarlFK> I just had to allow a bit of traffic to not be proxied,and I am just using the proxy for speed
[23:20] <CarlFK> the speed boost will probably never save me 8 hours :)
[23:28] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I think I've come to the end of my current u-d-t TODO list. So I'm ready for an upload whenever you are.
[23:28] <tumbleweed> I haven't moved the EditFile stuff. If you feel strongly about that, please move it.
[23:30] <tumbleweed> there's some biggish changes, I want people to use them and find the bugs I couldn't :)
[23:31] <tumbleweed> actually, not so big
[23:34] <CarlFK> broder: thanks for your help - I am off for today.
[23:35] <bdrung> tumbleweed: C:265:PbuilderDist.get_command: Invalid name "di" (should match [a-z_][a-z0-9_]{2,30}$)
[23:36] <bdrung> in pbuilder-dist
[23:37] <tumbleweed> yeah, I know :) at the time I used that, the line was not easily wrappable
[23:37] <tumbleweed> committed
[23:37] <bdrung> requestbackport -> W: 75:find_rdepends: Unused argument 'package'
[23:38] <tumbleweed> ah, I reworked the substitution
[23:39] <bdrung> W:149:request_backport: Access to a protected member _lpobject of a client class
[23:39] <tumbleweed> not much alternative there
[23:39] <tumbleweed> I suppose one could extend lpapicache further
[23:40] <bdrung> yes, it should have a public function
[23:41] <tumbleweed> fortunatly, that's easy. There are areas of lpapicache that are hard to extend
[23:43] <bdrung> tumbleweed: C:194:EditBugReport.get_report: Invalid name "m" (should match [a-z_][a-z0-9_]{2,30}$)
[23:43] <bdrung> tumbleweed: m -> match
[23:43] <bdrung> in question.py
[23:43]  * tumbleweed finds that silly, m is a common variable when doing regex stuff in python, but sure
[23:44] <bdrung> tumbleweed: m isn't common for me
[23:44] <bdrung> i, j, k, and f are common
[23:45] <bdrung> tumbleweed: besides that, go ahead
[23:51] <tumbleweed> bdrung: ok, uploading


[06:00]  * tsimonq2 is gone:
[08:00] <sil2100> jibel: hey! Looking at the silos that landed on Friday and which we would still need to land, it seems we'd need silo 41 and silo 36 still, right?
[08:01] <sil2100> jibel: 36 seems like a big change that would touch a lot of components... did you guys start testing the latest rc-proposed image already, or are we waiting for the mir silo?
[08:01] <sil2100> (by big change I mean 'mir')
[08:06] <jibel> sil2100, morning
[08:06] <jibel> sil2100, yes we still need 41 and 36
[08:07] <jibel> sil2100, 41 didn't land due to a server side issue
[08:07] <sil2100> 36 seems to be ready for QA at least now I suppose
[08:07] <jibel> sil2100, 36 didn't land because some webbrowser AP test failed and we wanted a confirmation that it was not due to the silo
[08:07] <jibel> sil2100, it's ready now yes
[08:08] <jibel> sil2100, we'll also land 13 for pd today
[08:08] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, saw Kevin's e-mail about it - ok, let's at least wait for the sign-off of mir
[08:08] <jibel> sil2100, do you do a snapshot for pd too?
[08:08] <sil2100> jibel: do you think it's worth it to kick a new image after mir is released?
[08:08] <jibel> sil2100, probably
[08:08] <sil2100> jibel: not really, but I can do one anytime when needed
[08:09] <sil2100> I'll prepare the snapshot for touch when we land mir
[08:11] <jibel> sil2100, about devel-proposed, I think you can promote it. scopes don't work, ringtones, notifications sound and brightness panels don't work in system-settings, the rest is okay-ish
[08:11] <jibel> I'll file bugs for system-settings
[08:12] <jibel> sil2100, you'll build the RC when mir lands?
[08:13] <jibel> sil2100, also we'll need new translations at some point this week
[08:13] <jibel> maybe tomorrow
[08:15] <sil2100> jibel: ok, thanks!
[08:15] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, I suppose we'll do the RC with the mir landing and then unblock rc-proposed normally
[08:15] <sil2100> We'll cherry pick the in-app payments bits then
[08:38] <sil2100> jibel: I saw an e-mail that the China team already started testing the weekend image - the mir landing will probably invalidate most of those tests, right?
[08:43] <sil2100> jibel: since I could copy the current rc-proposed image to RC as well, but we'll need mir anyway so not sure if it makes sense
[08:48] <jibel> sil2100, we have 3 images to test + pd. We cannot afford 1 day of delay
[08:49] <jibel> sil2100, if mir lands today, we'll find any problem with the remaining tests. There is still one week of testing
[08:58] <sil2100> jibel: ok
[09:32] <jibel> sil2100, sorry google logged me out
[09:33] <jibel> trying to rejoin
[12:34] <jibel> bfiller, did you export the translations of the camera to LP? I cannot find the text of the new dialog
[12:34] <jibel> bfiller, if it is not done, I think you should publish the new camera app anyway so it's on the RC build
[14:09] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, rvr: mir published, thanks for the testing! I'll kick a new image once it published in the PPA
[14:09] <sil2100> *it's
[14:09] <jibel> thanks
[14:10] <jibel> bfiller, can you publish the camera app before sil2100 builds a new image?
[14:11] <jibel> ah, is it a public holiday in the US?
[14:13] <sil2100> Hope not!
[14:13] <jibel> sil2100, http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/martin-luther-king-day
[14:39] <Mirv> robru: sil2100: I think the britney results should use the "forced by" things from normal autopkgtests, otherwise I don't ever get to land any Qt stuff because of various broken reverse dependency tests like KDE's: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-060/excuses.html
[14:40] <Mirv> I don't know where to get them from, but at least kactivities-kf5, marble and rocs have been on those lists, making it possible for things to migrate in xenial
[14:44] <sil2100> jibel: I guess bfiller is gone, so I kick an image without the camera-app...
[14:44] <sil2100> Or do we have someone else that could do that?
[14:44] <sil2100> Elleo: ping
[14:46] <jibel> Kaleo, ^
[14:47] <jibel> Kaleo, do you have the power to publish the camera app?
[14:47] <sil2100> Kaleo, Elleo: hey, does anyone of you guys have the knowledge and permissions to upload camera-app to the store?
[14:47] <Kaleo> what?
[14:47] <Kaleo> ah
[14:48] <Kaleo> bfiller should be around extremely soon
[14:48] <Kaleo> we have a meeting in 10 minutes
[14:48] <jibel> okay, lets wait 10 min
[14:48] <Kaleo> and I don't think I can upload to the store, let me check
[14:49] <Mirv> sil2100: I might still have unless it's changed
[14:49] <Kaleo> I don't have the ability to upload
[14:49] <Mirv> but it seems people will be around anyway?
[14:52] <Mirv> so I have <IP_ADDRESS>4 .click here, I can try uploading it if wanted
[14:54] <davmor2> sil2100: no bregma so I'll let you know https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/875 passes
[14:54] <Elleo> sil2100: not something I really know about I'm afraid, I've not been involved in publishing any of the click apps we manage
[14:57] <sil2100> Mirv: oh
[14:57] <sil2100> jibel: you remember the version number you guys tested?
[14:57] <sil2100> Mirv: since bfiller and the US seem to have a national holiday today
[14:59] <jibel> sil2100, we tested what is attached to the silo
[15:00] <jibel> sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~kaleo/camera/com.ubuntu.camera_3.0.0.ci805_armhf.click
[15:01] <sil2100> I wonder if that's the same as <IP_ADDRESS>4
[15:01] <Mirv> sil2100: the process known to me is that MP:s are merged to trunk at https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk and a click package is automatically built on s-jenkins. I'd be somewhat wary of other methods of obtaining click packages.
[15:02] <sil2100> Mirv: I think I see the right change merged in
[15:02] <sil2100> So I suppose this is the right click that we would need
[15:02] <sil2100> (if it's auto-generated)
[15:02] <sil2100> jibel: what do you think? ^
[15:03] <jibel> sil2100, I've no idea, I don't know what Bill does to release a click
[15:03] <jibel> nor where he gets it from after we approved it
[15:03] <Kaleo> sil2100, no it's not the right click
[15:03] <Kaleo> he normally rebuilds it
[15:04] <jibel> sil2100, okay, lets wait tomorrow then. It'll go straight to stable and if anything breaks it'll be worse than losing a day of testing
[15:04] <Kaleo> it's a bank holiday in the US
[15:05] <jibel> sil2100, you can rebuild with mir, then another build tomorrow with the new camera app
[15:06] <sil2100> Ok then
[15:06] <jibel> Kaleo, do you know at least how to update the translation templates in LP. The new dialog is not in lp and cannot be translated.
[15:06] <jibel> ?
[15:07] <sil2100> Building
[15:10] <Mirv> the auto build from trunk is at http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/camera-app-click/
[15:10] <jibel> ChrisTownsend, davmor2 approved silo 13
[15:10] <ChrisTownsend> jibel: davmor2: Thanks!
[15:10] <davmor2> jibel: Ah I didn't ChrisTownsend on here and couldn't see bregma either so just let sil2100 know :)
[15:11] <davmor2> didn't see even
[15:11] <sil2100> \o/
[15:11] <ChrisTownsend> davmor2: Yeah, I just popped up online a little bit ago:)
[15:11] <sil2100> Will publish in a moment and then kick a new pd image
[15:11] <davmor2> and that'll be why then \o/
[15:12] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: We have some packaging changes that *someone* will need to ack.
[15:12] <davmor2> ChrisTownsend: there are a rook load of issues with pd but none of them specifically related to the landing at hand :)
[15:13] <ChrisTownsend> davmor2: Ok, care to give any specifics?
[15:14] <Kaleo> jibel, I can check that
[15:26] <Kaleo> jibel, I update the pot file in trunk
[15:26] <Kaleo> jibel, hmmmm, I think it should update the launchpad translations apge
[15:26] <Kaleo> page*
[15:39] <Saviq> sil2100, what's ota9 status? can we land stuff yet?
[15:40] <sil2100> Saviq: one minute more, want the current image to finish pullin the packages, not sure if QA has enough resources for sign-off tho
[15:40] <sil2100> s/image/images
[15:42] <Saviq> sil2100, ack
[16:55] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend: ping
[16:55] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Hey, what's up?
[16:55] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend: hey! It's not a real problem, but I noticed you added a linux-image-generic dependency in libertine - I would like to know the reason for that :)
[16:55] <sil2100> (I'm reviewing the packaging diff)
[16:56] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: So, for the lxc backend we only support unprivileged lxc's which only kernels >= 3.13 support.
[16:57] <sil2100> Ok, makes sense
[16:57] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Cool, thanks!
[17:06] <jibel> sil2100, 222 contains the mir landing nothing else?
[17:09] <sil2100> jibel: yes (just triple confirmed in the manifests)
[17:09] <sil2100> jibel: only mir packages have changed
[17:27] <sil2100> davmor2, jibel: who should I poke to get the latest music-app click for OTA-9?
[17:27] <sil2100> ahayzen I suppose?
[17:27]  * ahayzen hides
[17:27] <sil2100> ahayzen: piiing ;)
[17:28] <sil2100> ahayzen: could you share teh click with me?
[17:28] <jibel> sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~alan/music/20160114/com.ubuntu.music_2.3.931_all.click
[17:28] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[17:28] <ahayzen> ^^ has issues btw :-)
[17:28] <sil2100> Ouch
[17:29] <ahayzen> we've fixed all the issues that were found, just trying to make jenkins happy now
[17:29] <ahayzen> seems it can't find the keyboard sometimes
[17:29] <jibel> ahayzen, we want to make sure that if it's ever published to the store before OTA9, users of the stable release won't see the update
[17:30] <ahayzen> jibel, ah yes, we bumped the framework, so in theory they shouldn't
[17:30] <ahayzen> but good to test :-)
[17:30] <jibel> ahayzen, yeah but better safe than sorry :)
[17:36] <sil2100> Cannot install com.ubuntu.music_2.3.931_all.click: Framework "ubuntu-sdk-15.04.3-qml" not present on system (use --force-missing-framework option to override)
[17:36] <sil2100> I guess we're safe ;)
[17:36] <ahayzen> \o/
[17:37] <sil2100> jibel: ok, anyway, let me copy the current rc-proposed image to rc, for now please use the rc-proposed version
[17:37] <sil2100> Since it will take a while
[17:43] <jibel> sil2100, when you copy to rc you tag it ota9?
[17:44] <sil2100> jibel: hm, I guess I could, although in theory it won't be our final candidate for sure - you want to test the tagging right now as well?
[17:44] <sil2100> Well, there's no problem in having 3 OTA-9 images in rc since that's what RC is about
[17:45] <sil2100> Oh, maybe I'll tag it OTA-9-rc?
[17:48] <jibel> sil2100, no, i was just curious
[17:49] <sil2100> I suppose a convention of tagging it as OTA-x-rc is a good idea anyway, tags are not carried over with image copies
[17:50] <sil2100> I'm importing the new chinese tarball to the -proposed-proposed channel now
[18:42] <Saviq> sil2100, are we there yet? (pop!)
[19:13] <sil2100> Saviq: yep!
[19:15] <Saviq> \o/
[19:23] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: I copied all rc-proposed candidate images to rc (phased percentage 0% for now) - all besides meizu.zh
[19:23] <sil2100> Since meizu.zh is still not ready because of the custom I suppose
[19:23] <sil2100> I can copy it over anytime
[19:25] <davmor2> sil2100: \o/
[19:25] <sil2100> Let me set the phasing for all to 100%
[22:11] <robru> michi: ping
[22:12] <dobey> "burned version number" ?
[22:12] <dobey> that's a new one
[22:12] <robru> dobey: it means the destination archive has a package with the same version number but different source contents.
[22:13] <robru> dobey: happens when two conflicting silos build on the same day (thus having same version numbers built), one gets published, the other one is "burned"
[22:17] <robru> dobey: strictly speaking this was always a potential problem with conflicting train silos, it's just that only recently the train started detecting & reporting the situation.
[22:19] <dobey> right. think it would be better to just use the same error message one would get from a package upload
[22:20] <robru> dobey: what, "version NNN not found in changelog"? that can't fire because the version *is* found in the changelog, it's just the wrong one.
[22:21] <dobey> robru: no. i mean, when you try to dput a package to a PPA for example, that has the same version and different contents, you get an error message saying it has different contents
[22:22] <robru> dobey: can you file a bug with the exact error text you want?
[22:22] <dobey> or maybe for ci train, it could be more explicit somehow, stating which request was landed
[22:23] <robru> dobey: it doesn't really have a way of knowing what silo the upload at dest came from.
[22:24] <dobey> well, i'll file a bug describing what i think the problem is, i guess
[22:24] <dobey> ah
[22:24] <robru> dobey: it's just checking the version number at dest, it could come from anywhere really, not even necessarily a train upload. just "oops, source contents don't match even though version is the same"
[22:25] <robru> so it indicates it 'needs rebuild' because there's no way to publish this silo with this version as-is
[22:26] <dobey> sure. i understand the reasoning for having an error there.
[22:26] <dobey> just trying to think of a nicer way to describe it more explicitly :)
[22:27] <robru> cool
[22:38] <robru> bbl, lunch


[01:49] <ChinnoDog> meeting?
[01:49] <PennBot> Somebody said meeting are good for catching up on sleep, ChinnoDog
[01:50] <rmg51> meeting is over
[01:50] <rmg51> it started at 8:30
[01:50] <rmg51> where were you?
[01:50] <PennBot> hmm... you are lucky I like you, rmg51
[01:51] <rmg51> thank you PennBot
[02:26] <jedijf> motion to close
[02:40] <ChinnoDog> fine, closed
[04:46] <InHisName> Everyone asleep now ?
[04:46] <pleia2> not me :)
[04:46] <waltman> nor me
[04:47]  * pleia2 plays with cr-48
[04:48] <waltman> how do you like it so far?
[04:48] <pleia2> I do, but it's reminding me of all the things I actually do need an OS for
[04:48] <waltman> like having an accessible filesystem?
[04:48] <InHisName> I have an older system that lost some important files for starting ubuntu  In process of trying to boot, it 'dirtys' the drive.  I forgot which version is on there, probably 9.10 or 9.04.
[04:48] <pleia2> in dev mode you get a terminal so I can ssh to my server
[04:49] <pleia2> waltman: partially, it turns out I edit photos a lot here and there, I miss that
[04:49] <InHisName> Can I install it again WITHOUT messing up my stuff in /home ?   All in one partition.
[04:49] <pleia2> and I miss the ability to play local music
[04:50] <pleia2> InHisName: if it's all in one partition, not really
[04:50] <waltman> pleia2: that's a problem on the iphone, too. best you can hope is that the developer added "send to dropbox" on a menu somewhere
[04:50] <pleia2> (this is one of the advantages of having /home on a separate partition)
[04:50] <pleia2> waltman: yeah
[04:51] <pleia2> also, I can't copy/paste from IRC to the GUI and back
[04:51] <pleia2> no clicky on links in IRC
[04:52] <waltman> A few years ago I cranked out a client/server app that does remote image editing over tcp/ip.  It occured to me today that that might be a cute iPhone and/or Android app.
[04:52] <waltman> that was for a networking class.
[04:53] <waltman> have a nice little protocol and everything
[04:53] <pleia2> well there is google apps draw thing, and there is limited image editing on flickr and such I think
[04:53] <pleia2> the problem is getting the images from my camera to the internet
[04:54] <waltman> what my app does is send the image to the server, the server runs one of 4 or 5 imagemagick filters on it, and sends it back.
[04:54] <InHisName> I got a new toy and no time to mess with it.   IBM 1U server xSeries 336  dual XEON  -- $150
[04:54] <waltman> Well, many apps let you choose an image from your photo library.  Twitter and facebook are two of them.  So there's got to be *some* api to do that.
[04:55] <waltman> and ios seems to be able to create sockets.
[04:55] <pleia2> ah
[04:55] <waltman> what more do you need? :)
[04:55] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/txt/cr48
[04:55] <pleia2> ^^ some specs
[04:56] <pleia2> my camera is not online, still no way to get it from dumb camera to the internets :)
[04:56] <waltman> no swap?
[04:57] <pleia2> nope
[04:57] <waltman> you should run "df -h" on it.
[04:57] <pleia2> ah, I didn't include that, should have
[04:57] <pleia2> sec
[04:59] <pleia2> waltman: refresh
[04:59] <pleia2> there is a little writeable storage in /home/chronos/user/
[04:59] <pleia2> (that's where I'm writing this ouput before scping it up)
[05:03] <waltman> that's a surprising number of mounts
[05:03] <pleia2> yeah
[05:04] <waltman> I'm also surprised they're still on 2.6.32.
[05:05] <waltman> Do you know why debian's been stuck on that for so long?  It was released back in december, 2009, and they're now up to 2.6.37.
[05:05] <pleia2> Debian, Ubuntu, one of the fedora releases (maybe even the new enterprise edition) all worked together to land on 2.6.32 for their major releases
[05:05] <pleia2> so Debian Squeeze will be 2.6.32, Ubuntu's LTS 10.04 is .32
[05:06] <waltman> I'm hoping testing goes to something more recent once squeeze comes out.
[05:06] <pleia2> probably
[05:07] <pleia2> it was over a year ago that they decided on 2.6.32 (they were talking about the decision when I was at the ubuntu dev summit in november 2009)
[05:08] <waltman> it's got to be one of the best-tested kernels in history :)
[05:08] <pleia2> indeed :)
[05:08] <pleia2> so I'm not surprised that's what chromeos is on
[05:09] <waltman> they've been backporting all the important bug fixes.
[05:15] <pleia2> the battery life on this is crazy impressive
[05:16] <pleia2> reading online they're saying 8-10 hours, and so far that seems pretty accurate
[05:31] <pleia2> so it has an SD card slot, I put my card in from my camera and it mounted it
[05:31] <pleia2> so I *can* upload from there
[05:32] <waltman> yay!
[05:32] <waltman> good night
[05:33] <pleia2> night :)
[13:02] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[18:05] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon!
[18:05] <MutantTurkey> bacon :)
[18:05] <MutantTurkey> i ate a pound of bacon last week.   Online
[18:12] <MutantTurkey> still cool
[18:12] <SamuraiAlba> email is my nick at gmail
[18:13] <MutantTurkey> I've got to get some money together. It is no good being a college student with no money
[18:14] <SamuraiAlba> okies :)
[19:10] <SamuraiAlba> InHisName - You there?
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> I am starving
[19:14] <SamuraiAlba> get nachos?
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> get no money
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> ahhh
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> that r teh sux
[19:21] <MutantTurkey> ramen
[19:21] <SamuraiAlba> ramen isnt too shabby, actually
[19:22] <MutantTurkey> It's delicious
[19:23] <SamuraiAlba> aye :)
[19:29]  * EvilPhoenix yawns
[19:29] <MutantTurkey> i yawn too
[19:32] <SamuraiAlba> I fart, sometimes.
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> So, Phil saw his shadow on Wednesday?
[19:43] <ChinnoDog> Oh, I have it backwards
[19:43] <ChinnoDog> Phil did not see his shadow.
[19:45] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: you were asking about an "app store" before, here's some info about other distros taking the ubuntu software center as a base for a more distros: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/appstream-the-unified-app-store-for-linux/
[19:45] <PennBot> Title: AppStream: The unified App Store for Linux (at www.omgubuntu.co.uk)
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> hasn't that been around for a quite some time
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> a universal package manager?
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> Like, it had different plugins for different backends, and they wrote plugins for many package managers
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> http://www.packagekit.org/
[19:48] <PennBot> Title: PackageKit - Main Page (at www.packagekit.org)
[19:59] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: That is interesting but I fear that making it a multi distribution app store is going to seriously cripple it
[20:00] <pleia2> the idea is making the toolset available to everyone, it's up to them what they do with it
[20:02] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: an app store is more than a software installer, it has payment options, user ratings and reviews
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> payment options? D:
[20:03] <pleia2> yes, so you can buy software
[20:03] <MutantTurkey> also i assume they filter out like libraries and such?
[20:03] <MutantTurkey> what software would you need to buy?
[20:03] <pleia2> software that you need which costs money
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> obviously, but the only ones i could think of are maybe virtualbox, codeweavers, thats about it.
[20:04] <pleia2> I think there are 4-5 paid applications in the software center
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> do you think this will spawn alot of developers trying to score $.99 off of everyone?
[20:04] <pleia2> I doubt it
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> okay. Just wondering
[20:05] <pleia2> looking at iphone vs android app stores is a nice test case
[20:05] <MutantTurkey> right, andoid is mostly free
[20:05] <MutantTurkey> all the apps i seem to need cost money however D:
[20:05] <pleia2> I've never really wanted one that costs money on android, but I don't mind paying
[20:19] <andrew> MutantTurkey: what apps are you needing?
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> I'm just waiting for InHisName to call ;)
[20:20] <MutantTurkey> andrew: no currently. Just apps i thought would be great to have and gave up because i have no money.
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> anyone have a suggestion for a nice minimal cms?
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> i mean we have say 50-100 pages, not very dynamic content (we'd like a news feed and rss feeds but thats it) and easy to work with
[20:50] <andrew> couch?
[20:51] <andrew> never used that
[20:51] <andrew> have you considered wp or concrete5?
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> wp is to blog oriented
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> someone suggested Drupal
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> currently it is a old school (html based, no css) website. frames for header footer toolbar etc
[21:34] <ChinnoDog> Does "CMS" really mean anything anymore?
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> nothing.
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> at all.
[21:38]  * ssweeny thought it was "CMS Means Something"
[21:38] <JonathanD> Crummy management system.
[22:00] <jedijf> can't manage stuff
[22:00] <JonathanD> Crummy mismanagement software.
[22:34] <MutantTurkey> creamy mushroom soup
[22:50] <JonathanD> mmmm
[23:44] <Traveler> has SamariaAcba been on this evening yet ?
[23:47] <jedijf> ask the bacon


[14:26] <Parmadog> Hi. I have problem installing android ubuntu dualboot. Script trys to load CWM recovery and stucks in loop there. I have tried with 2 fresh ubuntu installs with no luck. Would it be safe to use newer version of CWM recovery than the one script tries to use?
[21:13] <kiselink> hello
[21:24] <kiselink> i am in middle of loading ubuntu touch on nexus 10;   got it unlocked and made more progress but now the tablet just blinks four colors and can't get the


[02:16] <StevenK> Laney: I think linking the bug rather than MP would have worked
[08:03] <Laney> StevenK: both worked. The MP came up first in my web search.
[08:23] <lanoxx> what does MOTU stand for?
[08:25] <lanoxx> ah i found it, Masters of the Universe, lol :)
[09:15] <lanoxx> is anyone here familiar with autotools and gettext configuration?
[16:29] <ScottK> lanoxx: It generally works better if you ask your specific question and see if anyone knows the answer.  Someone among the 197 other people on the channel might know, but may not be looking at their IRC client right at this moment.
[16:39] <ogra_> ScottK, cant be, they are all asleep
[16:40] <ScottK> Asking the question can't work worse than not asking the question though.
[16:40] <ogra_> yeah, and someone might talk in their sleep :)
[17:35] <lanoxx> ScottK, yeah I know but in this case the questions (i have several) are a little bit more complicated, anyway i have decided to write a mail to a mailing list instead
[18:22] <ScottK> OK.
[19:58] <shadeslayer> hi, it seems like ia32-libs is broken  : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1207538/
[19:59] <jtaylor> in which distribution?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Precise
[20:02] <jtaylor> you probably have something installed that is not coinstallable with ia32-libs
[20:02] <jtaylor> what do you need it for?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:02] <shadeslayer> jtaylor: nvflash, it's a 32 bit binary and is refusing to run on my machine
[20:03] <jtaylor> find out what from ia32-libs it needs and install only that
[20:03] <jtaylor> ia32-libs is just a metapackage installing a bunch of other packages
[20:03] <jtaylor> its not really required anymore
[20:05] <shadeslayer> I'm reasonably certain that I just need libc6:i386
[20:05] <shadeslayer> so just installing that
[20:06] <shadeslayer> and libstdc++6:i386
[20:06] <shadeslayer> yay
[20:06] <shadeslayer> worked


[02:35] <[Relic]> If I am on 14.04 is there any valid way to create a 17.04 usb boot drive?  So far startup disk creator and unetbootin have failed miserably.
[02:36] <systemovich> [Relic]: You can also use dd.
[02:36] <[Relic]> any clear instuctions page on that way of doing it?
[02:37] <systemovich> [Relic]: See this question and answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[02:43] <[Relic]> Thanks  :)
[02:43] <systemovich> pleasure
[02:43] <[Relic]> wouldn't happen to know if you can do a session in each monitor in 17.04 with a nvidia card, do you?
[02:44] <systemovich> no, I only have one monitor.
[02:44] <[Relic]> ok, I know it hadn't worked well since 14.10
[02:50] <valorie> DarinMiller: https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <valorie> voila!
[02:52] <[Relic]> hate things that don't indicate progress
[02:52] <valorie> feedback is always nice!
[02:59] <DarinMiller> thanks valorie, quite handy
[03:23] <[Relic]> Wonder how long this takes, but 1 core is still doing 100% so I am thinking it is still working
[03:45] <[Relic]> That one seems bad too, squash(sp?) file errors and then errors out, and the sum checks out so not sure what to do now
[04:00] <[Relic]> guess I don't get to test 17.04, seems to crap out for some reason, setting cpu 2 <IRQ> bunch of error traceback stuff </IRQ>
[04:13] <valorie> weird
[04:14] <acheronuk> very
[06:31] <__a_> ?
[06:32] <__a_> somebody
[06:33] <__a_> speak?
[06:33] <hateball> !ask | __a_
[06:36] <__a_> ok
[06:39] <__a_> en que se encuetran trabajando? what do in this channel?
[06:43] <__a_> hola TomTom
[06:43] <__a_> ready
[06:44] <[Relic]> How do I track down what is broken with 17.04 usb drive install if it keeps erroring out
[06:46] <hateball> [Relic]: At which point does it error?
[06:47] <[Relic]> something like   "cpu 2  <IRQ> bunch of error stuff </IRQ>
[06:47] <hateball> [Relic]: on startup you have the option of checking the install media for errors
[06:47] <hateball> [Relic]: Have you done that?
[06:50] <[Relic]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1671360   <- was thinking it might be this; didn't check the media, but it seemed to be loading everything since I removed "quiet" so I could see if it locked up on each time I tried
[06:51] <[Relic]> that was all I could find with a gigabyte board listed, but not sure if that was it
[06:53] <[Relic]> is there a way to check the media in a session?
[06:57] <hateball> not that I know of
[06:58] <[Relic]> off to test it
 goodmorning, Network manager does not keep the connection. I have a Huawei HG8346M router. … Removing NM and installing wicd the connection stays active. Have you already had this problem?
 This also happens on other distro. Is the router the problem?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[16:58] <[Relic]> whee!  off to see if I can get 17.04 to boot using a different usb drive
[17:10] <[Relic]> welp 17.04 doesn't like my computer or want to cooperate with me at all
[19:15] <foca_> Hey guys...Could anyone tell me if teamviewer use wine to run in ubuntu ?
[19:34] <gsilvapt> foca_, there's a deb package in the official website, why use wine? https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/
[21:25] <[Relic]> First jump drive seems corrupted, but tries to work, second jump drive seems fine but only brings up grub.  Not sure what to do next to see if I can get 17.04 usb drive working
[21:28] <StephenFrey> Hi, i need some help on modifying the Live default session with remastering
[21:29] <StephenFrey> i am using cubic to chroot into the iso and packing it with all the software i need
[21:29] <StephenFrey> now the question is: how do i modify the default session environment
[21:43] <[Relic]> that didn't work either not sure how to fix this, run out of usb drives too