 also just got a sim for my OPO, finally can start using it as a daily driver and see where things fall over if at all
 @lazypower, Looking at some traffic atm. I see DNS queries to dash.ubuntu.com, login.ubuntu.com, daisy.ubuntu.com, start.ubuntu.com
 login makes sense. daisy is the apport service. start is... the homepage
 Nice!
 idk why we are using start though. why not ship with a tiny html page on device
 Dash is services related to the Unity dash and default aps
 unless that is some kind of XHR schenanigans on post
 i seem to remember something about start possibly being used to check for a valid internet connection
 ah that makes sense
 @ahayzen, yes, it GETs /connectivity-check.html
 yey 😊
 @Milan Korecky, I know. It's not working yet but in near future worked.
 @Stereofont, For each DNS there are around three RST TCP handshakes in 10s interval
[00:12] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Jaume81, Yes once will be available official update in OpenStore. That is just behind the door .
 Btw, what "smartscopesclient" is supposed to do in unity-scopes-api? … I found it uses dash.ubuntu.com as well: … unity-scopes-api/src/scopes/internal/smartscopes/SmartScopesClient.cpp:static const std::string c_base_url = "https://dash.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v2";
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/jvKpjFlE/file_1826.jpg
 Captured directly on UT, stored in the encrypted Document folder ;)
 The spikes are the email poll deamon
 (dekko2)
 2000s live capture took 12% battery
 video and voice calling working on uMatriks!!! :D
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/P2DP2qh9/file_1828.jpg
 ignore the nasty desing :)
 @mariogrip, Matrix?
 @Dominik, Yes!
 Nice!
 @mariogrip, \o/
 !YAY!
 @mariogrip, Updated: Oct 25, 2017, is this in the last update?
 @popescu_sorin, huh? i took that screen shot for an hour ago ish
 doing some design work right now
 with some help of @PhoenixLandPirate
 That's me!
 yes i know :D
 thanks!
 @mariogrip, https://uappexplorer.com/app/umatriks.larreamikel
 Basically: No, it's not updated.
 @popescu_sorin, ah! i see, no it's not even on github yet
 the app was last updated on 25, oct. i was just wandering if the video call stuff landed :P
 ok :D thanks
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4JKBScDr/file_1830.jpg
 lots of tests :D
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CBBPe0O7/file_1831.click
 Yup, lots of tests x'D
 "perfectly" — "unstable perfectly"
 @mariogrip, This click is distributed without any form of warranty for damage to your Matrix account, local pets, or anything else
 @UniversalSuperBox, +10
 You're welcome. ;)
 @mariogrip, "I've never had a problem with this distribution" … "I fixed the driver problem"
 my standard for working apps is if it's starts and it doesn't erase my hdd than it works :))
 @popescu_sorin, Lucky for you, a phone doesn't have a HDD :D
 hdd/sdd/flash any kind of storing
 i'll get the new design in place asap
 yay
 (Photo, 1280x959) https://irc.ubports.com/GZCO8DEu/file_1833.jpg
 @PhoenixLandPirate, How else would you store data?
 Damn it Dominik! You're inviting disaster!
 @UniversalSuperBox, This
 @Dominik, An SSD?
 In other news, "Hell yeah our mobile OS supports SATA=USB adapters"
 @Schyken, No, with spinning disk. Its better.
 @Dominik, Eh
 @Dominik, Though it das Anti-Skip protection for jogging
 @UniversalSuperBox, Whew
 @Dominik, X-))
 @Dominik, so you can relive your 90's memories of trying to use a discman while jogging, but with your flac's
 ba dum psh
 @Dominik, +1 ❤
 @lazypower, Or have a full season of ALF in 4K
 (Photo, 1280x454) https://irc.ubports.com/poy0YbJn/file_1835.jpg Ok, the QQC2 Suru style starts to look pretty decent. Time to sleep now \o/
 oooooooh
 @sverzegnassi, OMG OMG OMG OMG!!
 this is great!
 Really?
 Via dogsled, may be possible
 what are you talking about
 Oh. Reply super groups may not work. So you can just GUESS what I'm talking about buddy
 @UniversalSuperBox, Calling @wayneoutthere !
 Um. Can people here just PM me news items? Hard for me to find. :)
 voice and video calls working on uMatix
 QQC2 suru style
 (without warranty)
 :D
 Hmm. Sounds exciting... Is that that click above because no iodate via open store
 And mobile SSD drives... for when you need that little extra storage on the go ;)
 And new File Manager beta coming in the following days... :)
 OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!1
 SO MANY NEWS!!!!!
 Yes, until Christmas we're done!
 (Sticker, 512x458) https://irc.ubports.com/pPHOr4tJ/file_1836.webp
 No you're not done. This is the warm up. Now its time to start!
 @sverzegnassi, Oooooo
 Christmas is early Bois!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/e8i6V4uP/file_1837.mp4
 @sverzegnassi, WOW :D
 You can use the PS4 controller as a mouse and keyboard
 @Dominik, :D
 I configured the left stick as mouse movement. The right one is scrolling. L1/R1 is mouse left and right.
[04:10] <tgBot> mileskjeller was added by: mileskjeller
 Quick Query. I'm attempting to instal UBports onto my Nexus 5. However The standard installer doesn't even start (reboots phone to fastboot, then just sits there) and CPT claims to install the recovery image, but my phone reboots to TWRP
 any thoughts?
 Update, reflashed stock Android image, ran CPT again, recovery image failed to flash
 manually flashed the recovery image from  … `C:\Users\username\.cpt\cache\partitions\recovery.img`
 now it's working
 oh Windows
 that thing has to die
 glad you were able to resolve your issue
 I hope you will enjoy UBports ☺
 well, cpt detected the recovery, claimed to install ubuntu then the phone rebooted
 there does not appear to be an OS installed
 haha
 is there still a place to get the zip file?
 there is no flashable zip
 as we're not an Android ROM
 I can't help you as I don't know how to use Windows unfortunately
 presumably the cpt tool is the same across the board
 (Photo, 866x436) https://irc.ubports.com/UbVRgOJW/file_1839.jpg This is what's in my cache
 in the Ubports Recovery it provides me an option to "install ubuntu zip" and the old wiki does make reference to it
 Perhaps I should just spin up my mint VM and try it using snap
 looks like I'll need to try it on linux metal. the way vmware handles usb seems to be screwing things up
[05:21] <xorpad> VMware USB passthrough sucks
 but that's for another day
 xorpad especially as android devices change their device id depending on what mode they are in
[05:22] <xorpad> I use kvm for virtualization, and the usb is much better than vmware but not perfect
[05:23] <xorpad> kvm is best hypervisor imo
 nothing beats running on metal. The issue I'm having here stems from the fact that the ubports universal installer doesn't seem to be working right inside windows
[05:24] <xorpad> running on bare metal is good, but with KVM you can give access to bare metal components to the VM, and with hardware accelerated virtualization the performance is within 95% of bare metal, and with vt-d you can pass hardware device controls to the vms
[05:25] <xorpad> I have a 1080 geforce that is connected to my windows vm, and another weaker 710 geforce for my display that my monitor shows
 a friend of mine working in a corporate environment that swears by Hyper-V
[05:25] <xorpad> Hyper-V is bad
[05:26] <xorpad> It is immature which is probably why, when it's been getting developed for 15-20 years it will be able to compete with what we have now, but all the other hypervisors will have improved along with it so it won't catch up imo
 him : "fite me"
[05:26] <xorpad> hyper-v is garbage compared to kvm
[05:26] <xorpad> windows implemented kvm in the windows linux subsystem and called it KWM
[05:27] <xorpad> so not you can use something related to and using most of the code that supports KVM, on windows
[05:27] <xorpad> but only windows 10 pro 64 bit
 hmm... I should have tried the tool inside bash on windows. I do have cming set up
 *xming
[05:27] <xorpad> bash on windows is the windows linux subsystem
 not sure how WSL handles USB passthrough though
[05:28] <xorpad> it's not just bash, it's a linux kernel built to integrate with the windows 10 kernel, and it is a minimal install of ubuntu 16.04 that can do anything real bare-metal ubuntu can do, with the excepting of accessing block devices in /dev
[05:28] <xorpad> you also can't update the kernel, since it's integrated into the windows 10 kernel
[05:29] <xorpad> but ms calling it bash was stupid, they should have called it ubuntu shell or something
[05:29] <xorpad> because I've had bash on windows for years, it doesn't mean I had linux compatibility, I just had a bash shell
[05:30] <xorpad> well, i had many linux things on windows, including an x11 server that renders via win32 api
 cygwin and xming, right?
[05:30] <xorpad> and openssh with x11 forwarding enabled
[05:30] <xorpad> modified cygwin
 Do you remember the KDEWin project?
[05:30] <xorpad> my own version, some of which is backported into cygwin because i submitted the code
[05:30] <xorpad> no I do not
[05:31] <xorpad> I ported a lot of stuff and gave it to cygwin, but I haven't maintained the packages in years
 It was a project to port all the KDE components (including plasma) over to win32 executables
[05:31] <xorpad> cool, sounds pointless lol
 it was, but it let me run some kde apps I missed
[05:32] <xorpad> I was using my linux ports to do things I needed linux for, but ported the stuff to windows instead
[05:32] <xorpad> then i submitted a lot of it that cygwin didn't have, and they use it now, but I haven't maintained the packages in ages so I dunno if they are still the same version I submitted or if they updated... cygwin is bad at keeping current versions in their repositories
[05:32] <xorpad> they are always behind a few versions because there is very few package maintainers
 Do you think WSL will kill Cygwin?
 Sidenote, WSL and Xming seem to choke on the UBports installer https://fox.scot/img/Xming_2017-11-06_05-33-33.png
[05:34] <xorpad> Not unless they add virtualized access to devices through block devices in the file system
[05:34] <xorpad> and make it stop hibernating when it doesn't recieve input
[05:35] <xorpad> WSL is not as usable as cygwin for certain things, they will still both serve their purpose unless WSL adds /proc and /dev and /run and /sys population with abstracted access to real hardware, processes, system debugging block devices, etc
[05:35] <xorpad> right now I use both, I can't use only one or the other and have all the functionality I need
[05:35] <xorpad> but mostly I just use linux without windows
 I fit into that "frustrated geek" demographic. I just want my computer to work. But I'll tinker with other things to pass time, to learn or when required
 I hate to say that I couldn't use Linux as the daily driver on my main pc. I rely on Windows only software too much. It also lacks the frustration factor for me, hah
[05:47] <xorpad> If you had KVM with PCIe passthrough to a good GPU, and a decent system, you could run windows in a VM with a dedicated GPU, dedicated SSD or HDD, dedicated lan or nat translation or bridged networking, you can even pass through a sound card
[05:47] <xorpad> with a proper full KVM setup, you can have window and linux side-by-side
[05:48] <xorpad> I have debian minimal installation with a slim kernel, and then on top of it in KVM i have windows 10 and lubuntu as VM's, windows 10 having it's own SSD, sound card, GPU, and bluetooth adapter
 Yeah. I may do they done day with a proper rig
[05:49] <xorpad> like, it's 90-95% as fast as just running windows 10 on bare metal
 But it requires time, energy and money I don't have tight now
[05:49] <xorpad> yeah you need a proper pc, and it needs iommu feature in the chipset, and VT-d along with VT-x to support the hardware passthrough
[05:50] <xorpad> I have nice hardware, but I bought it on credit
[05:50] <xorpad> so I'll be paying it off for a few years
[05:50] <xorpad> Well, I bought it with borrowed money from myself technically, but I'm gonna put the money back over the next ~3 years
 As long as you have a system for working it
[05:51] <xorpad> working what?
 6am me knows what he's saying, but is currently unable to articulate it a different way
[05:52] <xorpad> hehe
[05:52] <xorpad> it's all good
[05:52] <xorpad> basically I have awesome computers but I can't really afford them and bought them anyways lol
 Either way. It's been good chatting with you. I'm going to attempt some sleep.
 You have a good day, night, whatever your timezone is
[05:54] <xorpad> good night
 on UT how do you change default application for a specific file extension? would mimeapps.list work?
 @KrisJacewicz, AFAIK media hub doesn't have default apps, but it makes the user decide based on info in the manifest file of each app. [Not by extension however iirc, but by categories (such as images, documents...)]
 (Sticker, 512x315) https://irc.ubports.com/qEgmPnuY/file_1840
 so this is only designed for click? otherwise what else has manifest??
[06:50] <tgBot> Ishan KnowsNothing was added by: Ishan KnowsNothing
 welcome Ishan
[06:56] <tgBot> <Ishan KnowsNothing> Thank you, @Xorpad
[07:02] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Ishan KnowsNothing, Hello Ishan and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[07:03] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @mileskjeller, With some delay but never is late. Hello Miles and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 VLC works on the phone, starts on the phone, audio works well, but the video freezes on a frame or lags terribly
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/KbKLRZ8R/file_1842.png
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HDXTu9Nr/file_1844.jpg
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/s6h2VF0q/file_1846.jpg
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Tf5zkPEO/file_1848.jpg
 I wonder if this is due to Xmir or due to VLC not being able to use hardware accelleration
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/OLU8CKDY/file_1850.png
 @flohack after 7 hours with the FP2 having zero use overnight but with aeroplane mode on, the charge went from 55% to 52%
 @YougoChats, that message has literally 19 words, I don't get your comment
 @sverzegnassi, iirc isn't smartscopes the "remote" ones like bbc, amazon etc. Which are just scope definitions in json (or something like that) that the scope runner then loads
 @YougoChats, Heh! two most interesting things i see is progress on the qqc2 suru theme and voice and video calls working on umatriks
 @KrisJacewicz, not specifically directed at your post, but more about the 1854 others befor it
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/lIuXiQ5h/file_1828.jpg
 @YougoChats, i see, whoah, I thought it was reporting my message to be that long
 @DanChapman, thanks. i guess going afk on a family weekend from a supergroup with 950 members does that to a post count
 😄
 just saw this, x86 apps running on arm: … https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/exagear-desktop-features-and-prices/
 @DanChapman, very nice. now i just need some people with matrix to talk to...
 yeah i realy should try using it more.
 @Stereofont, Thats strange then, see my screenshot, I got much more drop
[07:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Is it so unstable the new uMatriks as announced?
 @KrisJacewicz, yeah i saw that a while ago when i was looking to get teamviewer to run on my phone. they seem to be doing a good job, but given the stack (.../mir/libertine/xorg/exagear/wine/teamviewer) there was too many ways for it to not work to spend money on that idea
 using QEMU somehow would be a nicer solution i think. then with xmir and snapping the whole qemu/wine/teamviewer part... maaaybe..
 (teamviewer for linux really is teamviewer for windows + baked in wine session)
 teamviewer originally was bundled with wine, and perhaps it still is up to this day. wine provides integration with the graphical session. I don't think it would that straightforward to run teamviewer in such a way
 @YougoChats, exactly
 they do have an ARM host for Raspberry Pi, but i want the client part to run on my phone
 another angle would be that android client running on Anbox on UT, but that's nowhere near running either
 @Flohack, On aeroplane you got the drop?
 @Flohack, Mine was a test with no network
 @Milan Korecky, We could rename it nitrocellulose
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4sHHimLZ/file_1852.jpg apt-get install btanks
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/hulJwE1M/file_1854.jpg but OSK does not show up, and touch doesn't work, this game requires keyboard input :(
 music plays super well, and animation while loading super smooth too
 I would try supertuxkart or hedgewars, both available for ARM, but each weights 200M+ so won't try them now
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/czvtFh2L/file_1856.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/IQTICiOJ/file_1858.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PHlja9mw/file_1860.png
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/GPjq2cjh/file_1864.jpg this one actually WORKS!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3Y0BVnxe/file_1863.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zrtJUV00/file_1866.png
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/clRN8VW4/file_1868.jpg just size very tiny
 approx 50M space on hard drive
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aATga2Ny/file_1870.jpg started with matchbox-window-manager
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/adBUiXZq/file_1872.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rPBSCI0Z/file_1874.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tSAadzxf/file_1876.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/F5WNdkCC/file_1878.png
 wut, vlc on ubports?
 that's right
 wa
 man, I've been including support for h265 and h264 in the bullhead port
 it took like 3 hours of adding the support from linux 4.14RC into the haluim bullhead kernel
 just moving code around basically
 yes but vlc doesnt seem to have any hardware acceleration. audio plays well but image freezes. if you move over the timeline it will update frame to the new position and stay on it.
 ahh
 well it's cool that it runs at all
 try different formats see if any formats and codecs are well supported, if you're up for messing around with it that is
 I will eventually
 ginn - makes legacy apps touch friendly: … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnLdzXe8DeQ
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/VoRamTcN/file_1880.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JDPv6or9/file_1882.png
 heh
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/pHOgZwsD/file_1884.jpg just small res
 I'm have a plan and I know how to implement apt-get not affecting the rootfs, but still seeming to the user and the userspace programs and stuff as if they were installed right into the rootfs
 @KrisJacewicz, #seelater saving for watching on WiFi :)
 But it seems great
 basically the kenel has a vfs(virtual file system), so I need to modify that to combine 2 filesystems, with a system for deciding which one to use if 2 files conflict in terms of same filename/path
 It would make apt-get install/remove/updating things be easy, permenant, and not mess with updates
 it's a pretty simple thing to do really, the hard part is finding time
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/nmiYrcpH/file_1886.png
 @Xorpad, It seems great to
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/c5kQQ3dQ/file_1888.png
 hehe
 you're screen is just too high dpi, it's too good to run that game
 I'm not a great programmer but I can help with translations
 To be more specific, Brazilian Portuguese translations
 no one is a grreat programmers, and those who think they are, are full of themselves and don't know how little they know
 If I was a great programmer, programming would be easy and therefore not enjoyable and challenging
 like there are many genius programmers, I met one once
 @Xorpad, Haha but I'm completely newbie programmer
 @Xorpad, You're goddam right
 He mentored me in maleware design and vulnerability research, he was a genious of all things hacking
 I don't desing malware since I finsihed experinting with it for a while, but it's really cool how you can manipuate the system into doing stuff it's designed to prevent you from doing
 he gave me his entire collection of malware sources, and I studied most of it for science/learning purposes
 Yes, it's really great
[08:50] <tgBot> Сергей Б was added by: Сергей Б
 But, how I can start working on translations?
 I never made actual malware, aside from experimenting on my own virtual macines, but I've used the thing i've learn to do some very innovative things that only someone who knows how to manipuate the systems and security measures and all that... It has made me pretty decent at writing secure systems and code because I know how the bad guys think
 @devsigma_bot, Great! We need app translations via weblate bit we also need translations for the website and help for those who cannot interact with us in English
 I've learned so much ways to exploit software, so I know so many mistakes to avoid
 translators are always in short supply
 every project needs translators i find
 the problem is there aren't that many people who are good at english in many countries where their native langauge isn't english
 I'm Brazilian, I can translate to my native language
 so some languages are very hard to get translatiosn done
 Brazilian!!!   I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 invented in brazil in 1918 or 1919,
 by the gracie family
 I'm not too good on English but I will survive
 It's easy for me the context checking of the transportation before I do it
 I wish I lived in brazil so I could go to gracie academy with all the black belt coaches that have been learning it since before BJJJ spear to the whole world
 @devsigma_bot, We will invite you layer to get involved if that is okay?
 @Xorpad, Yes, I respect then too much for that, I love jiu jitsu
 @devsigma_bot, You can go on https://translate.ubports.com, create an account or use SSO and there you go! ;9
 also brazil government refuses to accept patents on extremely expensive medications so the citizens can get medication that costs in usa 8000 per mont, for like 100 per month
 they rejected almost every AIDS drug patent
 @Stereofont, Thanks
 pretty much any medication that is really expensive just because of exclusive production rights, they allow generics of in brazil
 @Flohack, Ok, limited 3g now, but I'm going to check ASAP
 3g only?
 no LTE?
 The generic medicaments policy is great
 yeah
 here the company that invents it gets exclusive right s for either 15 or 25 years i forget which, to make the drug, so they can charge crazy amounts
 @Xorpad, No, artificiale limited, non payed bill (high expensive value, waiting for solution)
 oh
 crummy
[08:59] <tgBot> <Сергей Б> Hi all) thanks for welcoming words) If you'll need any help with translation on Russian - i can help with that) Also, i have herd about your project for two days, and its awesome. I wish, i can help to develop UT on the mobile systems, because the Samsung did the convergention for S7-8 and its awesome. Its future, i think. Where i can find info about a development for UB mobile platform?) And sorry for my runglish)
 at least it still works
 @Xorpad, 2 year is the maximum that I can accept, is enough to bring back investment
 pharacutical companies make huge money
 it's a huge industry
 the problem is their more interested in treating medical problems than curing them
 I mean, if you can make $8000 per month off one AIDS patient, why would you want to invent a cure for AIDS
 In all areas that I mean
 @Сергей Б, Sorry for our Russian 😀
 Сергей is your name pronounces sergio in english?
 But patent is the wrost thing that I know
 Sergej is more likely right?
 ahh
[09:02] <tgBot> <Сергей Б> @Xorpad, yeah, it is) Also its "Serj" in french
 I have a friend with this name
 from kazakhstan
[09:02] <tgBot> <Сергей Б> @Flohack, Its how it sound)
 I'm pretending to do a mechanical project (a electric motorcycle) but completely open, and protected from patent trolls
 we call him serge
 @Сергей Б, I was going to invite you to the welcome room bit you don't have a username?
 He's a cool guy, really strait up and good hearted
 The welcome room link seems messed up somehow
 like he throws lan parties every week, and  mountain bikes, and is converting a camero '84 to performance electric car
 lan parties are awesome
 now with high speed internet people don't have them as much
 Mmmmay I suggest... OT group? 😛
 yes sir!
[09:06] <tgBot> <Сергей Б> @Stereofont, Its may be, i'll add my username right now, for what is that link?)
[09:10] <tgBot> <Сергей Б> @Stereofont, oh, yeah, i'm asking questions before i think or read a text in the link, sorry, i'm joined group, thanks a lot)
 @Stereofont, What I need to get involved?
[09:14] <tgBot> <Сергей Б> @devsigma_bot, i think it just for help newbies like me
 @Сергей Б, I'm going to get involved on translations too
 @devsigma_bot, I am waiting for a guy from Canada to come online. We will message you later and thanks
 @Stereofont, Thank you
 @KrisJacewicz, I asked in the Canonical times to the devs about why legacy programs don't run with hardware acceleration, and they said Xmir still doesn't support it on ARM devices.
 I do not know if with newer versions of Mir this has been fixed
 This bug (OPO) still needs confirmation. Could anyone with an OPO on the devel channel see if it works or not. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/13
 maybe i have the same problem, but in my case I'm not sure if usb female of phone is fine. Since some months ago it has failling so...
 @j2g2rp, I have tried a few different cables and they all work with my Android Nexus 4, but not with uTouch on OPO.
 @popescu_sorin your recent posts inspired me to write this: https://forum.yunit.io/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=344
 @alan_griffiths, +1
[11:40] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @alan_griffiths, I think someone is already working on the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/+archive/ubuntu/yunit
[11:40] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @alan_griffiths, Many thank, you just saved my 16.04 on my laptop, I was going to try, thank you thank you
[11:44] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> Where can I see the most current release of each Ubuntu touch channel (stable/rc/devel)?
 @Milan Korecky, I tried 😿
 @Stefan Kalb, There is a list on the UBports forum
[11:50] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo, 😭😥
 @Stefan Kalb, I am trying to locate exactly
 @Stefan Kalb, What do you mean with see?
[11:57] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> Have an overview what is the current release on each channel for the different devices.
 There is a table of revisions somewhere
 41
 @Stefan Kalb, This release number will be just an arbitrary number without any additional information. Curious why this is important ;)
 But step through these directories: https://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/15.04/
 you will find various version numbers there ;)
 @alan_griffiths, +1 i think the problem is currently that only @jsalatas is working in yunit!?
 @alan_griffiths
 Fwd from jsalatas: I have been busy lately (after the 16.04/Qt 5.9 thing). I'm close to have it ported to debian sid (gcc 7) and eventually ubuntu 17.10,. Hope I'll find some time to complete these thing soon :\
 @delijati, That's mostly true*, and what needs fixing. But to fix that people need a "way in" and that's why people need a way to "try and tinker". Hence my suggestion. … * There's also "WebDrake" working on https://github.com/yunit-io/unity-system-compositor/issues/1 and @bregma was working on build infrastructure.
 👍
 good to know that there are more people involved ... i am more on the app development side so for me a working environment where i can build and test my ubports app would be great ...
 currently i'm kinda stuck to 17.04 but even here the content-hub and some other parts are pretty buggy to work with
 @mileskjeller, Hi Miles, you sound like you are not far from my own category. I was sitting where you were, and I've tinkered and learned  alot since.  Here is the good news, I think we can get you off windows and I'm willing to chat with you (as mjy time permits) on the side to help you get there.
 @Stereofont, who?  it's winter so they are all hibernating...
 @devsigma_bot, Hi Julio, I just woke up from my daily hibernation so feel free to PM me on the side and I'll keep you up to date on languages.  Thanks!
[13:38] <tgBot> peternerlich was added by: peternerlich
 Welcome to UBports world, Peter
 Hi
 @peternerlich, @peternerlich I'm also part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Risking that I'd rather have read this and other pages more thoroughly: … How big do you see the chances that I as a junior IT student in Germany can help with the project enough to keep my installation on the BQ Aquaris E4.5 alive and as up to date as necessary? … (Regard me as a newbie to big projects like this)
 I am not the highest level tech... but i k now that someone else was doing this on your device recently.  I think your chances are 'good'  and probably you are not the only one who wants to reach the same goal. perhaps someone else can speak more clearly on this as I haven't been involved in many installs
 @peternerlich, 4.5 will not develop because the hardware is too limited. Obviously the phone can stay useable for many years …
 @Stereofont, Understandable. To step this up, is my idea then realistic to leave out some features I don't need to compile my personal version or is this near to impossible because these are integral parts? I chose the 4.5 because of it's form factor, I dislike phones bigger than that
 @peternerlich, It is not bloated so there is no real need to remove stuff. Would you like to discuss further in the welcome room?
 @Stereofont, I think that's it, thank you very much! I'll think about joining a team anyway, whether for the 4.5 or not.
 @peternerlich, great idea.  You'll not regret participating.  We are about to explode in the next 32 days.  I applied 32 days to add mystery
 @wayneoutthere, Thanks for the offer. But with my current situation switching to Linux full time is the furthest from my mind. I have Linux systems for diagnostic use though
 Good day.  We have just started a 'languages' brainstorming group.  Whoever is interested in 'languages' let me know and I"ll invite you to the group.  Just PM me on the side.  Thanks!
 @mileskjeller, Sorry to hear about the hindrance from your current situation.  Hopefully things get better for you.
[14:45] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> @Flohack, Just to verify that I am on the latest build when testing in RC 😎
[14:50] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> Aha, the update from r10 to r11 is not found again. So, I first need to switch through the channels again, sigh 😜
 @wayneoutthere, 🙋♂
 @wayneoutthere, What is it about?
 Languages.
 Ah DAT one
 @flohack Experiment completed. 7 hours with FP2 on standby with aeroplane mode enabled = drop from 55% to 52%. 7 hours with FP2 on standby without aeroplane enabled = drop from 52% to 36%
 Which reminds me of having to learn Go now, as it seems UT uses it a lot.
 @Stereofont, Thats better than mine, I have a drop from 100% to 51% or so in 7hrs today
 is this old or new FP2?
 Refurbished but old design
 But it sat there doing nothing with screen off
 Polling DNS is a huge drain
[15:31] <tgBot> <Yumeng Ley> Hi guys! My father back to me my old meizu mx4 (stock Android) and I want to install ubport on it, can you tell me the best way ?
 @Yumeng Ley, Great. Sure, we will do our best. It had Ubuntu Touch on it before?
[15:36] <tgBot> <Yumeng Ley> Nop, only Android
[15:36] <tgBot> <Yumeng Ley> I never did nothing, no root ever
 @Yumeng Ley, Meizu sometimes have one name but different inside.  Good luck
 Generally, if your MX4 has Flyme it's stuck on it. There's just too many variables involved in flashing those phones.
 There were a lot of different MX4's, too. :.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Flyme is Chinese localised OS?
 I think it's just their name for Android
 Worth a try but I did warn about the variable hardware content
[16:06] <tgBot> <Yumeng Ley> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, had flyme 😕
[16:07] <tgBot> <Yumeng Ley> I'm going to do a back up, and told you later
 @UniversalSuperBox, Maybe more hope later with Halium?
 Biggest problem is that the bootloader is permanently locked
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ah. Large hammer job …
 Ok, so, update on what I was working on last night
 I've got my Linux Mint laptop out and have started the process with the UBports installer
 it gets to the point of rebooting into recovery then hangs
 "Waiting for decive to enter recovery mode"
 Hi, Ubuntu Touch 16.04 on Nexus 5 can be used at the moment?
 OEM unlock and USB debugging in Developer Options?
 @Stereofont, I started the process from Fastboot as the device does not currently have Android on it (it's been wiped in the process of trying to get Ubuntu on it) … But the device is OEM unlocked and is sitting in the ubports recovery menu right now
 @GiovanniStaiano, Not unless you are a five star developer.  Hopefully not very far away
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/SxpGQ7vQ/file_1890.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/jyTReQuC/file_1892.jpg
 @Stereofont, Thank you
 @mileskjeller, Best is to come into the welcome room to take it offline. Could take a while
 Pardon?
 @mileskjeller, Oh. Your privacy settings prevent invites
 Ok, updated
 invite away
 There is a different telegram group for those detailed chats
 Just started to see if I can use it as daily driver...fingers crossed
 Oh...I was reply to @Stereofont comment about N5
 Telegram beta appeared seems to lack the reply option in supergroups as probably you already know @Flohack
 @ebetonro, Just don't use the flashlight …
 Lol
 Only for pictures
 I know about that bug
 Who is the voice in UBPort Podcast?
 Because sounds like a listening exercises 😜
 @SergioSRM, Wayne 😎
 @Stereofont, Thank you! So, @wayneoutthere, you must apply for jobs related to the voice. Your pronunciation is very easy to understand!
 @SergioSRM, It's an Audiocast - not a Podcast.  It's ooo-booon-too, not You-Bun-2
 @SergioSRM, thanks, I teach ESL ....
 did you hear the latest reggae release??? is it better than Joes????
 @exar_kun !  we should have an epic rap battle!!
 @wayneoutthere, I heard it but I didnt hear Joe's one
 😅
 I started just a few minutes ago with the audiocasts
 oh, welcome to those.  @exar_kun did "I never sleep' the hottest hit single of 2017
 you'll hit it if you leave it on auto-play ;)
 enjoy
[18:50] <Talustus> hi :)
 I cant leave it on autoplay, i have to be focused to understand English speaking, so I have to pay attention 😳😳
[18:51] <Talustus> anyone available for some porting help?
 @Talustus, What do you mean when you say 'porting'?
[19:13] <Talustus> Stereofont: i did a build for Galaxy S4 it booted and i'm able to adb into the device but there is no display coming up and the android container fails to start, but cant figure out the reason
[19:14] <Talustus> as far as i can see the container fails cause of cgroups
 @Talustus, Well if you are successful at all it will take three months or more. The Sudoku project with Halium 7.1 will probably by then be far ahead of you
 Are you using Halium?
[19:17] <Talustus> i just fetched the ubports repo ubports-5.1 branch
 Oh. That is not in good shape, Halium
[19:25] <Talustus> UniversalSuperBox i tried halium as well but fails on container start as well
 But the old UBports Style porting won't be supported in Ubuntu Touch Xenial, so just don't use it
 You need to fix your Halium kernel configuration to make the container start
[19:31] <Talustus> ok JBBgameich will reflash halium to device and continue from there
 Have you joined the Halium channel?
[19:34] <Talustus> not yet
 People there will most likely will be able to help you
[19:35] <Talustus> i'm in there now
 @alan_griffiths, yay! i think 18.04 would be awesome to test unity8, it has the Qt LTS and it's also where ubports will move after 16.04?
 This all sounds good to me! Need my vote ? Unity and Ubuntu Touch. Sounds like something is alive
 so we have this text files https://github.com/unity8-team
 that probably depends on other files :)))
 and we need to like.. compile stuff? and make it work on 17.10
 i don't even know where to start lol
 Sudo apt install unity8
 That's where I'd at least try to start
 hehe! that would be nice :D and then a simple way to report bugs
 We should get rid of github, and replace it with a telegram group called "Bug reports"
 @PhoenixLandPirate, YES!  Someone find @wayneoutthere  😂
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Oooh. You modernist, you …
 A bug corroboration group seems like a good idea. A quick check to confirm with another user. To weed out and refine before formal bug reporting
 Bug reporting needs to be very systematic and rigorous
 i would join a bug reporting group :))
 Idk sounds like people would just use it to throw out a bug with no checking and no info just "Scrren doesn't turn on plz help thank"
 https://launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/+archive/ubuntu/yunit
 looks like this has the text files form unity8 git compiled from 17.10
 @PhoenixLandPirate, +1
 so i need to install that first?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Thats the average bug report anyway so whether it's dumped in a telegram group or an issue tracker is here nor their. Both are pretty useless. On the other hand a group could be a good way to teach people about creating "useful" bug reports
 @DanChapman, 👍👏
 So group 2073.a sub para 4 of UBports … 😂
 UT16.04 and snaps... can someone provide guidance?
 @Crash_Burn, well. if you are serious... well... we could do this. the obvious questions would arise but... well... we could do this...
 @DanChapman, hearing this from Captain Chapman makes me think this is more possible than even I thought.. This would be... revolutionary.  This would be... awesome.....or chaos... or both
 @wayneoutthere, Unique Reference Numbers: ISO document retrieval … are you quite, quite sure?
 Project Herd Cat
 hmm. ok sounds like the other idea above is better.
 ok, here is my thought
 drum roll (read yourselves to attack and kill my idea as always!)
 How to Do It group sounds good though
 1. make a bug group (not sure if this is by device, by app, or ... something, but something that is  'mass numbers') … 2. people dump bugs in here before bug reporting … 3. bug confirmed (by masses) real time … 4. Bug Captail (AKA Captain Bug) role is to correctly report bug once confirmed … 5. Discuss bugs?  If it makes enough people punch themselves in face may require prioritizing?
 ok FIRE!
 Captain Bug with 300 filing clerks
 How about a Wednesday night tutorial group. Strictly 40 minutes. One topic is 'How to file a bug'
 @Stereofont, that will be nice
 @Stereofont, this seems smart.  Maybe we can talk about bug filling on the audio cast too about how its important
 There is a time zone problem so not everyone would be able to participate live
 if it is recorded would be better
 @Stereofont, +1  … ubuntu used to do something similar once a week where there was one or two tutorial/educational sessions. Would be good to see something similar and recorded so it can be used a reference to point noobs at.
 @DanChapman, +1
 Celebration for 1000?
 @Stereofont, get drunk and watch a bug tutorial?  PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY!!!
 ;)
 but yeah, we should hae a bunch of new stuff happening soon to celebrate.   but something else... yeah.. not much time.  Remember 1K in 7d!
 @DanChapman, ubuntu on air stuff?
 https://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir/videos?disable_polymer=1
 Dekko2 will be re-written as a snap package.. so does that mean snaps will be working in UT16.04?
 @Crash_Burn, is someone holding out? ;)
 @popescu_sorin, why isn't UBports stuff streaming here?
 @wayneoutthere, don't know, you probably need to talk to ubuntu people to add the ubports streams there
 not sure how that works
 hmm an arm notebook https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707
 can we install ubuntu touch on it? :D
 and if we could.. then we could run arm clicks?
 are there any arm desktops? o_O
 @popescu_sorin, Was Marius playing with one?
 They are on special order
 don't know.. pinebook? i think he has a GPD Pocket
 x86 atom?
 MariusG
 oh not MariusQ
 :D
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2VrOYts9/file_1893.mp4
[22:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Crash_Burn, @DanChapman started with snap version before Canonical announced they will not continue. Than with Ubports started to develop Dekko2 click from the snap version I think. Let us see his comment when he will connect
 @Lorxu, I'll take it as a, you agree
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ItXpmLsINs
 WTF am i watching??
 RM Desktop based on the Quad-core ARM Cortex-A72 Marvell MACCHIATObin development board with a Radeon or Nvidia GPU
[22:15] <Talustus> well using halium the lxc container seems to start, still no display and no adb/telnet/ssh
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n0C4fem7CA
[22:16] <Talustus> whats the suggested rootfs to use?
 so this is an ARMv8 quad-core ARM Cortex-A72 cpu + nvidia or amd video card? woa?
 i need this?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIwop47HDtw
 OMG!
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/my2Y69lO/file_1895.jpg
 @popescu_sorin stil gate you
 :))
 i will fix the game, i promise
 by christmas
 i need to move it to fishy2 engine
 as it is now it's just a silly prototype i made to test how sdl2 works
 on ubuntu touch
 by then I will finnish it
 :))
 then.. there is balls2 :D
 that is basically balls1 with some changes that i never finished
 pff
 omg! i had no idea that you can use an mainstream amd/arm gpu with an arm cpu
 24-core ARM Cortex-A53 + 64Gb ram + amd gpu
 woaaaa
 what?
 where?
 in the video
 s
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIwop47HDtw
 ohhh didn't watch it yet "file manage app"  needs my love
 :))
 so in theory we can run unity8?
 If it can do aarch64 AND armhf, that'd be pretty neat
 Could they have put it any cheaper micro ATX case, though? I've seen that thing on sale for $20
 AArch32 for full backward compatibility with Armv7 … AArch64 for 64-bit support and new architectural feature
 https://developer.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a53
 nice.
 AWESOME!
 I NEED TO BUY ALL O F THEM!
 Where do you buy it?
 good question :D
 Ok, what happened?  We were growing by like... 10 people per hour and we've stalled at 951.  Come on... what happened? there must be a reason!  I've noticed @mariogrip  has been missing a while... hmm.  innnnnteresting.
 @wayneoutthere, Me missing :P noo, just been doing some matrix stuff
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gAWr0pQG/file_1897.jpg
 Incomming/r/Incoming
 new design, orange is a placeholder for icon
 @Flohack, oh :P i even fail at the simple texts :P thx
 @mariogrip, hahaha
 Its logical, but incoming is a special one. others duplicate in this way yes
 @mariogrip, If you need someone to proofread your apps, I'm your man. 🙂
 @UniversalSuperBox, will send them over when im done :)
 I have an issue here, i have m10fhd installed via ubports installer during last ubucon at the booth. Now tablet doesnt boot anymore (stuck at bq/ubuntu 1st screen). I was in stable, nothing hacky like write or such. I have rebooted in fastboot, to reinstall, via mdt or ubports installer, nothing detects the tablet (the cable works since i've plugged my e4.5 and it was shown as mounted). So. Yep, any helps welcomed ^^
 @arudy, does it get detected in "dmesg" as a usb device?
 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15639745
 @arudy, also does it take charge? have it been dropped, or near water?
 give some love to Bero
 @popescu_sorin, ohohoho!!! I want! would be so awesome to have this as my daily machine, no need to do cross compiling
 @mariogrip, I dont think so
 yep :D
 +64 Gb ram + desktop class GPU
 probably AMD, nouveau kinda sucks
 @popescu_sorin, Yeah he said amd radion in the video
 @arudy, Do you get a battery charging animation?
 When i plug it, it will stick like if i try to boot
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/d0PFKr5g/file_1899.jpg
 oh.. radeon sounds old?
 @Stereofont, Nope
 i never had an amd card :D
 good night gents and ladies
 @popescu_sorin, I'm sorry
 @arudy, My dead 4.5 does. The drowned one. Maybe more hopeful for yours
 @popescu_sorin, Tbf I've never had an AMD CPU, but GPU I have
 @arudy, Tried a Canonical install with SPflashtool?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, i had a lot of amd CPUs + nvidia cards
 ah now it sow the batterie loading screen
 @PhoenixLandPirate  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ItXpmLsINs&feature=youtu.be&t=309
 i don't understand what he's saying
 when i want to cook, i just put..
 at 5:09
 when i want to cook, i just put a pan on top of the laptop and then
 i run..
 make?
 -j3?
 @arudy, Very long press on the power button sometimes forces boot. Like 15 seconds
 @Stereofont, If the battery has gone completely flat it may take an hour before it takes any charge
 @Stereofont, I would be inclined anyway to flash it again, as long as it is charging
 @popescu_sorin, compiling on all cores so the cpu usesage is 100%
 what toolset do you use for creating apps?
 i am interested in the entire start: IDE (language) and UI designer
 @Stereofont, Yesterday i'l sure it was at 14%, now at 4%, so i supose ill wait before trying somehing
 @vanyasem, was that Qt Creator or something?
 i want to play with it tomorrow
 im an Android Developer so that's a bit weird for me
 @vanyasem, you can use the Ubuntu IDE or use your own and use clickable
 https://github.com/bhdouglass/clickable
 i know about clickable, im more interested in what you actually use as an ide
 @arudy, Yes maybe letting the battery go completely dead before charging again will deal with the hang
 @Stereofont, Back in the day you would have taken the battery out at this point
 @vanyasem, You can use whatever you want, there are no particular requirements. I for example use Geany or KDevelop if I am alredy using Geany for something else
 I use atom
 and what language is used?
 QML?
 QML, Javascript for the main ui
 c++, go or python for backend
 I use c++ for all my stuff
 (you don't need a backend)
 Or, if you go hacky, anything since is just an ubuntu system after all.
 @mariogrip, can you use C?
 @vanyasem, for the OS parts yes, just send a pr and it will automagicly build a deb for you
 @mariogrip, huh?
 for the apps, it does not handle clicks just yes
 @mariogrip, huh?[1]
 os parts, like system-settings, mir etc... eveything thats not an "outside app" and that uses click
 so basically C doesn't work with clicks
 right?
 The problem is that C doesn't have direct binds to the ut API
 @mariogrip, what does that mean? PR where?
 @TronFortyTwo, oh i see
 i completly read your question wrong...
 i was answering for ci, not c :P
 sorry
 oh :P
 but continue
 i got interested
 to answer you question, you can use `extern "C" ` but there is not any qt api for only c
 how do i quene building something for me?
 @vanyasem, for ubports OS parts you can send a pull request on github and the ci will build a deb for you
 okay, thank you :P
 (im getting tirred, i cannot even read :P hahah)
 same
 i have to wake up in 5 hours
 oh god... `sudo sleep ivan`
 error: `Ivan: I never sleep`
 I fix the fairphone
 not a member of group `sleep`
 well i didn't type my password, how did sudo work
 had it authenticated before :P
 used it to order Monster a few minutes ago


[00:18] <rickspencer3> 'night all
[00:18] <rickspencer3> have a good weekend
[01:26] <Nafallo> asac, kenvandine: gajim 0.12.3 uploaded to karmic (ubuntu), intrepid and jaunty (gajim ppa).
[01:37] <asac> rock on
[01:38] <asac> i rather sleep now ;)
[15:43] <mac9416> Hello, I would like to know how gnome-app-install determines what software to display. Obviously it only displays top-level apps, not dependencies. Also, how does it determine what category a package is in? None of that info is in the package index files.
[15:44] <pochu> macvr: I think it uses the data in the app-install-data package
[15:44] <pochu> the .desktop files in there, that is
[15:46] <pochu> mac9416: ^ that was for you :)
[15:46] <pochu> macvr: sorry
[15:46] <macvr> np :)
[15:47] <mac9416> Haha. So it lists all packs that have .desktop files in there, and the category info is in the .desktop's too?
[15:48] <james_w> pretty much
[15:49] <james_w> there are a few .desktop files added that aren't actually in packages to make a few more things appear
[15:49] <james_w> and there are possibly a few things blacklisted or overriden, but that's the basic idea
[15:49] <mac9416> OK, cool. Thanks.
[15:52] <mac9416> May I ask where the .desktops are kept?
[15:56] <pochu> mac9416: what do you mean?
[15:56] <mac9416> If all the software listed in gnome-app-install is taken from .desktop files, where are the .desktops located?
[15:58] <pochu> in app-install-data :)
[15:58] <pochu> or in /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ in the filesystem
[15:58] <mac9416> Ah, OK, thanks a lot :-)
[16:07] <asac_2nd> bryce: tjaalton: anyone here?
[16:07] <asac_2nd> oops
[16:07] <asac_2nd> i am asac ;)
[16:08] <asacasa> bryce: tjaalton: so i upgraded this inspiron 6400 to hardy and dont get a good resolution
[16:08] <asacasa> damn pidgin thing
[16:08] <asacasa> no nick changing
[16:09] <asacasa> i run out of ideas ... using no xorg.conf gives me 800x600
[16:09] <asacasa> is i810 still a valid driver name at all in hardy?
[16:12] <asacasa> ok restarting X
[16:13] <kathmich> ok thanks. removing xorg.conf.failsafe and xorg.conf helped
[16:13] <kathmich> bryce: maybe we should move the .failsafe file away and only use it if nothing else works?
[16:14] <kathmich> anyway. lets talk about that later
[16:14] <kathmich> going off!
[16:14] <kathmich> greetz from asac
[22:22] <rickspencer3> pitti: I updated the burn-down chart script to place the trend line automagically
[22:23] <rickspencer3> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/py-burndown-chart