[01:37] <lupine_85> in the menu somewhere :)
[01:37] <WhiteDeth> cheers
[01:37] <LiraNuna> then write lsmod and hit enter
[01:37] <WhiteDeth> wait lol
[01:37] <WhiteDeth> how the hell do I do a pastebin if I cant access the net? :P
[01:37] <LiraNuna> err
[01:37] <LiraNuna> IRC is net
[01:38] <lupine_85> hmm, good point
[01:38] <WhiteDeth> I CANT access the net.
[01:38] <richiefrich> WhiteDeth your on the net
[01:38] <wols_> 2 PCs
[01:38] <LiraNuna> oh
[01:38] <WhiteDeth> this is a different laptop
[01:38] <richiefrich> WhiteDeth plug it in
[01:38] <wols_> he installed while being here
[01:38] <WhiteDeth> do you guys get many people installing while actually inside here?
[01:38] <lupine_85> of, run lsmod |grep ipw3945
[01:38] <lupine_85> ok*
[01:39] <richiefrich> WhiteDeth why not just plug in
[01:39] <lupine_85> if it says anything, the module is loaded. If not, we get to have some fun
[01:39] <malice_> Anyone know of a good HOW-TO url that will tell me how ot spoof my mac addy on my wireless card on my laptop?
[01:39] <WhiteDeth> richiefrich: I have a wireless router...why not use it.
[01:39] <WhiteDeth> and im on a laptop.
[01:39] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: It came up with some stuff...want me to type here?
[01:39] <richiefrich> WhiteDeth it's alot easier to do it plugged in
[01:39] <lupine_85> just one line?
[01:39] <WhiteDeth> 2 lines
[01:39] <lupine_85> well, sure
[01:40] <lupine_85> stick them on one line with || between them :)
[01:40] <WhiteDeth> ipw3945     126620     1  ||  ieee80211      37064    1  ipw3945
[01:40] <Guardian> hi
[01:40] <lupine_85> that's cool
[01:40] <Guardian> is it possible to use the same key for PGP and SSH ?
[01:40] <WhiteDeth> all that typing just for "that's cool"!?!?!
[01:41] <WhiteDeth> :P
[01:41] <lupine_85> ok, if you run iwconfig, does it show any interfaces with wireless extensions enabled?
[01:41] <WhiteDeth> okay, so, what next, good sir?
[01:41] <wols_> Guardian: no
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> WhiteDeth, that's awesome!
[01:41] <WhiteDeth> Telroth_Plushie: YAY! :D
[01:41] <lemino> will it slow down a gnome-system to runt KDE-applications on it (and vice verca)? if so, how much?
[01:41] <hawk> While I understand that the official policy is that universe is unsupported, if I set up an Ubuntu server with Cyrus imapd, etc. Will I be in trouble or will there (in practice) be fixed if security concerns arise?
[01:41] <richiefrich> lemino no
[01:41] <lupine_85> e.g. ("iwconfig" || eth0      no wireless extensions.) is bad, but ("iwconfig" || rausb0    RT2500USB WLAN  ESSID:"lupine")  is good
[01:42] <Guardian> wols_: short and clear thx :)
[01:42] <lupine_85> of course, the interface (rausb0 on the above) and most other details will be different for you
[01:42] <chemaja> lemino, i think it hogs more ram and a little extra cpu
[01:42] <richiefrich> chemaja  not at all
[01:42] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: lo - no wireless extensions, eth0: no wireless extensions, eth1: unassociated ESSID:off/any, sit0: no wireless extensions.
[01:42] <chemaja> lemino, more ram for the new set of libs to be loaded
[01:42] <chemaja> lemino, a little extra cpu to manage it
[01:42] <lupine_85> bwahaha, eth1 is your wireless card
[01:42] <chemaja> richiefrich, ?
[01:42] <WhiteDeth> you sure it isnt just my network card?
[01:42] <WhiteDeth> i.e. for LAN?
[01:43] <lupine_85> it's your wlan
[01:43] <chemaja> richiefrich, AFAIK
[01:43] <richiefrich> chemaja why would it it just uses the same amout of ram it would use
[01:43] <WhiteDeth> so...how's that funny? :\
[01:43] <richiefrich> not true
[01:43] <lemino> chemaja: aha. i suppose it works the other way around as well?
[01:43] <chemaja> lemino, more or less
[01:43] <lupine_85> never mind - your wireless is working
[01:43] <lupine_85> do you have authentication/etc one?
[01:43] <malice_> I am using a wireless PC card to get on the net on my laptop on wlan0 will this work to change my mac addy or do I need to change eth0 to wlan0 and what about the ether after the hw?
[01:43] <malice_> ifconfig eth0 hw ether 02:01:02:03:04:08
[01:43] <lupine_85> on*
[01:43] <lemino> chemaja: ok. do you know any good IM-client for gnome?
[01:43] <chemaja> richiefrich, in relative terms, all other things equal, loading an app written for a different DE causes the deps of that other DE to also be loaded
[01:43] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: authentication i.e. WEP and all that in the router?
[01:44] <lemino> chemaja: tried Gaim but i'm not satisfied.
[01:44] <lupine_85> malice_: iwconfig wlan0 ...
[01:44] <lupine_85> WhiteDeth: yes
[01:44] <chemaja> lemino, i personally use gaim, but i'm starting to hear talk about `gossip'
[01:44] <richiefrich> chemaja it only loads the libs it needs just like any other app
[01:44] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Yep, I do.
[01:44] <richiefrich> chemaja libs are libs
[01:44] <jrib> hawk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures don't know if that helps
[01:44] <lupine_85> ok, you can set WEP easily - "sudo iwconfig eth1 key <blah>"
[01:45] <lupine_85> prefix <blah> with s: if it's ascii
[01:45] <wols_> richiefrich: but it needs a shitload. reducing available ram, either adding to your swap or removing some diskcache
[01:45] <chemaja> richiefrich, yes, but for the gnome desktop, the libs are already loaded (theoretically shared by the already loaded apps)
[01:45] <jrib> hawk: basically, I interpret that as "no guarantee"
[01:45] <chemaja> richiefrich, obviously it varies from case to case, i'm talking as a general rule
[01:45] <chemaja> richiefrich, ie. libG1 + libG2 + libG3 + appG1 + appG2 + appGn
[01:45] <hawk> jrib: Yes, looks like that's about what it says...
[01:45] <lemino> chemaja: so i'm thinking about going back to kopete but there's the issue about kde and gnome. and as you understand i'm on gnome.
[01:46] <chemaja> richiefrich, then you load appK1, and libK1, libK2 get loaded
[01:46] <richiefrich> chemaja as i said not true.. look at say fluxbox so then loading a gnome app it loads the whole DE
[01:46] <richiefrich> no
[01:46] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: It asked me for password. Im guessing that means my account password?
[01:46] <jrib> hawk: maybe you can contact the maintainer about it though
[01:46] <richiefrich> chemaja and it would load that on any wm/DE
[01:46] <lupine_85> yes
[01:46] <lemino> chemaja: is it possible to uninstall all those unneeded kde-libs once you uninstall the kde-application?
[01:46] <lupine_85> sudo gives you root privs for a command, using your user password
[01:46] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: I keep typing...but...nothing shows up? :\
[01:46] <lupine_85> that's normal
[01:47] <richiefrich> lemino you can as long as there not needed
[01:47] <WhiteDeth> oh okay, done.
[01:47] <lupine_85> just type your password and hit <RETURM>
[01:47] <chillmod1> do slow screenseves means wrong grafic  drivers?
[01:47] <WhiteDeth> no returm key here.
[01:47] <chemaja> lemino, i haven't really analysed it that closely... i'm talking theoretically. you'd have to test "gnome + gaim - gaim + kopete" yourself and monitor resource usage
[01:47] <WhiteDeth> :P
[01:47] <WhiteDeth> okay, what next?
[01:47] <hawk> jrib: Yes, I guess I could
[01:47] <chemaja> richiefrich, that's my point exactly... loading the app loads the DE
[01:47] <richiefrich> no
[01:47] <wols_> chillmod1: depends on the screensaver. if 3D, then you probably only have software 3D support
[01:47] <chemaja> richiefrich ...
[01:48] <richiefrich> chemaja so if im in flux and load gaim it loads gnome
[01:48] <richiefrich> no
[01:48] <chemaja> richiefrich, gaim isn't a gnome app
[01:48] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: What do I do next to get the internet going?
[01:48] <richiefrich> chemaja ok then nautilus
[01:48] <richiefrich> chemaja it doesnt load anything it doesnt need
[01:48] <chemaja> richiefrich, ok
[01:49] <lupine_85> WhiteDeth: sudo dhclient eth1
[01:49] <lupine_85> you might need to "sudo ifconfig eth1 up" first
[01:49] <lupine_85> bbias
[01:49] <WhiteDeth> err...just so we know...I actually dont have a DHCP server running. I've got that off.
[01:49] <hawk> Thanks jrib
[01:49] <chemaja> richiefrich, but it might load gconf/libxml (or whatever) into the background
[01:50] <WhiteDeth> static IP's here all the way baby.
[01:50] <chemaja> richiefrich, kopete might load libkde or whatever
[01:50] <richiefrich> chemaja  if they do thats cause they need them to run
[01:50] <chemaja> richiefrich, that's what i'm trying to say :D
[01:50] <richiefrich> chemaja and thats not the whole DE
[01:50] <richiefrich> chemaja is what i mean
[01:51] <chemaja> richiefrich, ok ok it doesn't load the whole de
[01:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> libkde is just another library
[01:51] <chemaja> richiefrich, go re-read what we write
[01:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> just like ssh loading opensll
[01:51] <chemaja> *sighs*
[01:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> or something
[01:51] <chemaja> ok guys np
[01:51] <richiefrich> Telroth_Plushie| ty man
[01:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> though
[01:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> it will start up all of kde's interprocess communication stuff
[01:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> but that'll shut down as soon as the app closes
[01:52] <richiefrich> not if it's not installed
 lemino, more ram for the new set of libs to be loaded
[01:52] <chemaja> ...
[01:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> and it sleeps, so i've never see any preformance issues
[01:52] <chemaja> richiefrich> chemaja as i said not true.. look at say fluxbox so then loading a gnome app it loads the whole DE
[01:52] <chemaja> ...
[01:52] <richiefrich> chemaja thats for any app
[01:52] <richiefrich> of course you'll use more RAM
[01:52] <richiefrich> one any app
[01:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> chemaja, what we're trying to say is
[01:53] <richiefrich> kde apps in gnome or vise versa doesnt mean any more RAM
[01:53] <chemaja> chemaja> richiefrich, obviously it varies from case to case, i'm talking as a general rule
[01:53] <chemaja> ...
[01:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> loading a kde app isn't going to use more resources than a gnome app
[01:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> in general
[01:53] <richiefrich> ^^
[01:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> it has to load the libraries it uses
[01:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> just like a gnome app does
[01:53] <richiefrich> just like any other app
[01:53] <richiefrich> gnome/kde/other
[01:53] <richiefrich> they load libs
[01:53] <chemaja> yeees.
[01:53] <chemaja> and he's running..? gnome.
[01:54] <richiefrich> SO
[01:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> now, if you're running gnome, libgnome is already loaded. just the same, i'm on kde and when i run gnome apps, it has to load libgnome - but it doesn't slow my system down
[01:54] <lupine_85> WhiteDeth: oh, ok
[01:54] <WhiteDeth> yeah.
[01:54] <JackONeill> Would a Nvidia 6200 256mb be better than an Ati Radeon 9500 128mb ?
[01:54] <chemaja> so running one extra gnome app will generally use less resources then running a lib-heavy kde app from inside gnome
[01:54] <WhiteDeth> so it said No DHCPOFFERS
[01:54] <wols_> richiefrich: yes, but kde and gnome apps usually have a shitload of libs. all that component stuff for example
[01:54] <lupine_85> in that case... "sudo ip addr add <ip>/<prefix> brd <broadcast> dev eth1"
[01:54] <JackONeill> WhiteDeth, not a DAVICOM card is it?
[01:55] <wols_> e.g. some even need the ORB or whatever running
[01:55] <richiefrich> wols_ if you load the whole DE
[01:55] <WhiteDeth> JackONeill: Intel 3945
[01:55] <JackONeill> ok
[01:55] <lupine_85> ^ WhiteDeth: ^
[01:55] <chemaja> Telroth_Plushie|, i didn't say "slow down" i said "use more resources"
[01:55] <wols_> richiefrich: no, even if you load only a single app. they are built this way
[01:55] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Help me out with that. What's going where? :\
[01:55] <richiefrich> wols_ not true
[01:55] <lupine_85> we can make it do all this automagically once it's got a workking connection
[01:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> chemaja, then yes, it will
[01:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> chemaja, even loading a gnome app in gnome uses more resources
[01:55] <JackONeill> BANG! and the dirt is gone
[01:55] <wols_> chemaja: it also is slowing down since it usually uses more ressources than a similar app of the "normal" DE. and more ram = speed
[01:55] <lupine_85> ok... and example for me would be "sudo ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/29 brd <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1"
[01:55] <chemaja> omg i give up
[01:55] <Jack_Sparrow> richiefrich: chemaja    Seems like all of that would be better off in Offtopic....
[01:56] <lupine_85> that help?
[01:56] <chemaja> Jack_Sparrow, actually i really can't be bothered arguing anymore... :D thanks.
[01:56] <JackONeill> Would a Nvidia 6200 256mb be better than an Ati Radeon 9500 128mb ?
[01:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> wols_, kde has 2 libs
[01:56] <Jack_Sparrow> JackONeill: yes
[01:56] <unfknblvbl> nvidia >> ati
[01:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> libkde and libqt usually
[01:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> unfknblvbl, amen
[01:56] <unfknblvbl> i've had 4 nvidia and 2 ati cards
[01:57] <unfknblvbl> nvidia looks better
[01:57] <unfknblvbl> lasts longer
[01:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> chemaja, what are you system specs?
[01:57] <wols_> richiefrich: and the gnome app would use the libs already in place, no need for the space libkde and libqt take up in ram
[01:57] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: What's the /29 bit?
[01:57] <chemaja> wols_, heads up for the backup, btw. :D
[01:57] <unfknblvbl> and the drivers are far better
[01:57] <WhiteDeth> and what's the IP address after the letters "brd" for?
[01:57] <hawk> WhiteDeth: mask
[01:57] <JackONeill> unfknblvbl.... and the actual -cards- ?#
[01:57] <unfknblvbl> yeh they last longer
[01:57] <Jack_Sparrow> 6600 here
[01:57] <chemaja> Telroth_Plushie|, P3 600MHz, 256MB, 20GB, 32MB RIVA TNT, SB Live, cable inet
[01:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> cards aren't made by nvidia
[01:57] <WhiteDeth> Ive never had to enter a "mask" before...so uhh...can I just leave it empty? :\
[01:57] <unfknblvbl> they don't die
[01:57] <Jack_Sparrow> 6600oc actually
[01:58] <JackONeill> NO no your missing the point - out of the two I said... which one performs better?
[01:58] <Jack_Sparrow> nvidia
[01:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> nvidia
[01:58] <chemaja> Telroth_Plushie|, why?
[01:58] <JackONeill> That biast basing on the manufacturer or the actual qualities?
[01:58] <unfknblvbl> n v i d i a
[01:58] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: I ended up putting this - "sudo ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS> brd <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1" - is that...uhh correct? :\
[01:58] <JackONeill> Yeah like I thought, none of you have any idea
[01:58] <lupine_85> nvidia WhiteDeth: that's your subnet mask
[01:58] <JackONeill> Useless!
[01:58] <richiefrich> wols_  my point is a lib is a lib.. when you open a app it loads what libs it needs uses the RAM it needs and thats that.. no loss of speed  yes it uses more processes thats a given just lick any other app would ..  but i am done..
[01:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> chemaja, i was wondering. that setup might notice soem small preformance issues with loading a kde app in gnome, but not much you can do about that if you need that app except for switch to kde
[01:58] <lupine_85> omitting it "might" work
[01:59] <Jack_Sparrow> I have a couple 9200 and 9500 ati and all in wonder... nvidia works better with Linux
[01:59] <lupine_85> for you, it's probably /29
[01:59] <JackONeill> Jack_Sparrow... THATS NOT THE QUESTION!
[01:59] <JackONeill> Jeez
[01:59] <lupine_85> I mean /24!
[01:59] <chemaja> *yawn*
[01:59] <JackONeill> I'm not saying... Linux or Windows.... OR! Nvidia or ATI
[01:59] <JackONeill> Would a Nvidia 6200 256mb be better than an Ati Radeon 9500 128mb ?
[01:59] <lupine_85> erm, and your broadcast isn't going to be .1.1 (that might be your gateway though)
[01:59] <JackONeill> THAT is what I asked
[01:59] <janitor_x> JackONeill, 6600
[01:59] <deceptacon> ive checked md5 for ubuntu images that ive burnt to disk. but every time i try to install, i get a message about corrupt file. (is my cdrom being ghey? how do i stop this shite)
[01:59] <WhiteDeth> so Im not putting my gateway anywhere?
[01:59] <lupine_85> it's probably .1.255 (sorry for the enter-spamming!)
[01:59] <wols_> JackONeill: it is. you cannot divide the driver from the hardware in graphiccards
[01:59] <lupine_85> you will in a second
[01:59] <JackONeill> janitor_x - WHAT 6600?? there is not ANY 6600 here
[02:00] <Jack_Sparrow> JackONeill: And We ALL answered YES it would be better
[02:00] <lupine_85> "sudo ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1"
[02:00] <lupine_85> got all that? :)
[02:00] <wols_> JackONeill: and you are TOTALLY OFF TOPIC in here. this is NOT #hardware
[02:00] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Hold on, what's my broadcast? :\
[02:00] <JackONeill> Jack_Sparrow - no you all spouted that nvidia was better not that card was
[02:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> deceptacon, have your burner software verify the disk after burn, and try a different image burning software
[02:00] <wols_> JackONeill: if you ask in here you will get Linux (to be specific Ubuntu) answers. none other
[02:00] <lupine_85> probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:00] <janitor_x> sorry... thought it was 6600
[02:00] <deceptacon> Telroth_Plushie|: the cdrom's md5 checksums also match up. its the destination computer's cdrom drive being ghey
[02:01] <lupine_85> "sudo ip addr change <ip> brd <IP_ADDRESS>"
[02:01] <wols_> JackONeill: so maybe check where you are before asking next time, k?
[02:01] <JackONeill> wols_ - Well after I have decided on the better card comes the linux issue - or I wouldnt be here
[02:01] <Jack_Sparrow> JackONeill: READ... my first answer was simply YES... I went on to add my latest card...
[02:01] <JackONeill> So stfu
[02:01] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: I typed that in and it said "RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
[02:01] <janitor_x> JackONeill, maybe u stfu...
[02:01] <wols_> JackONeill: please watch your language
[02:01] <JackONeill> mebbe NOT
[02:01] <lupine_85> ok, delete it instead  - "ip addr del <ip>"
[02:01] <lupine_85> then re-add
[02:02] <WhiteDeth> "Not enough information: "dev" argi,emt os reqiored/
[02:02] <wols_> !ops could you please tell JackONeill to watch his language. he seems he's an all mighty colonel or something
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ops could you please tell JackONeill to watch his language. he seems he's an all mighty colonel or something - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <WhiteDeth> woops
[02:02] <janitor_x> this room is not about which of your card is better... go to off-topic
[02:02] <WhiteDeth> "dev" argument is required.
[02:02] <JackONeill> lol
[02:02] <lupine_85> yep, so add it - ..."dev eth1"
[02:03] <JackONeill> !ubotu patronising > wols_
[02:03] <JackONeill> :P
[02:03] <lupine_85> to the end of whatever command is causing problems
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patronising - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <lupine_85> aww
[02:03] <cpk2> would i need to edit my xorg.conf file to make my display resolution bigger? the gui wont let me make it larger
[02:03] <lupine_85> !netcop
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netcop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <lupine_85> bah
[02:03] <WhiteDeth> blah, now it says "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted."
[02:03] <JackONeill> !women
[02:03] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[02:03] <lupine_85> sudo... :)
[02:03] <lupine_85> !laydeez
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about laydeez - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <Lunar_Lamp> for xchat, is a there a package of sound files downloadable anywhere? it seems to have come by default without any sounds, and i want to use some (e.g. play sound on pm) etc
[02:03] <JackONeill> !homosexuality
[02:03] <lupine_85> my ubotu-fu must be low...
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about homosexuality - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <WhiteDeth> lol okay done
[02:04] <WhiteDeth> now add again?
[02:04] <lupine_85> yep, specifying everything this time :)
[02:04] <WhiteDeth> file still exists.
[02:04] <WhiteDeth> what a fag.
[02:04] <JackONeill> lol
[02:05] <lupine_85> hmm
[02:05] <lupine_85> ip addr show
[02:05] <zaggynl> Anyone knows a Daemontools replacement for Linux?
[02:05] <lupine_85> is it there?
[02:05] <WhiteDeth> is what wher?
[02:05] <JackONeill> !linus
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <lupine_85> the ip address entry
[02:05] <WhiteDeth> oooo
[02:05] <JackONeill> eh!?
[02:05] <lupine_85> !RMS
[02:05] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[02:05] <elkbuntu> !botabuse
[02:05] <zaggynl> Linus Torvalds :>
[02:05] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[02:05] <WhiteDeth> eth1 has /29 and /24 in it.
[02:05] <Wanderer> Anyone ever get a gpg pubkey for opera from the sourceomatic?
[02:05] <lupine_85> hehe, lol
[02:05] <JackONeill> should be something on linus at least
[02:05] <JackONeill> a link or something
[02:05] <wols_> zaggynl: not needed. linux can mount ISOs out of the box. other things need to be converted to iso first tho
[02:06] <lupine_85> ok, delete them both
[02:06] <lupine_85> bchunk++
[02:06] <zaggynl> wols_, but can that be done with a pretty GUI>
[02:06] <WhiteDeth> but I just deleted one of em. Is it because I kept adding the broadcast IP as <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[02:06] <wols_> zaggynl: no clue
[02:07] <WhiteDeth> lupine: nevermind, got it :D
[02:07] <WhiteDeth> now it shows none there.
[02:07] <wickedpuppy> zaggynl, mounting an iso isn't that hard :P
[02:07] <WhiteDeth> gonna add again now
[02:07] <lupine_85> ok, now add :)
[02:07] <WhiteDeth> sweet, done.
[02:07] <zaggynl> I just found cdemu
[02:07] <zaggynl> seems to benice
[02:07] <lupine_85> now do the ip route command
[02:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> zaggynl, not really. you could set it up, but if it's an iso it's easier to just "sudo mount /path/to.iso /mount/point -o loop
[02:08] <zaggynl> I haven a .bin though
[02:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> err, do you have a .cue as well?
[02:08] <zaggynl> yup
[02:08] <wols_> zaggynl: google bin2iso
[02:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> .bin/.cure can be converted
[02:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> *cue
[02:08] <JackONeill> !thischannel
[02:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> then just mount like iso
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thischannel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <lupine_85> you can write your own .cue if you need to :)
[02:08] <lupine_85> bit of guesswork though
[02:08] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Done! :D
[02:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> bbl, school
[02:09] <zaggynl> meh
[02:09] <lupine_85> now ping...
[02:09] <WhiteDeth> straight out like in CMD in windows?
[02:09] <lupine_85> yep
[02:09] <lupine_85> ping blah
[02:09] <hydro> oh my goodness, there are 800+ people in this room. yikes
[02:09] <WhiteDeth> "ping: unknown host www.google.com" :(
[02:09] <JackONeill> !myself,you,here,or anything else
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself,you,here,or anything else - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:10] <Jack_Sparrow> google ip  <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:10] <Intimate`> Hello.
[02:10] <WhiteDeth> Destination Host unreachable.
[02:10] <Intimate`> is it possible to boot Ubunto from cd?
[02:10] <lupine_85> ok.. can you ping the router?
[02:10] <WhiteDeth> how do I stop the ping first lol
[02:11] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, yes
[02:11] <lupine_85> ctrl+c
[02:11] <WhiteDeth> nope, unreachable as well.
[02:11] <lastnode> Intimate`, it is a live cd
[02:11] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: so it will not install but I can use it while cd is in?
[02:11] <Intimate`> oh good.
[02:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Intimate`: yes
[02:11] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, yes
[02:11] <Intimate`> I'll download it then.
[02:11] <Intimate`> :)
[02:11] <Intimate`> lol
[02:11] <gilianima> hi
[02:11] <Intimate`> hi
[02:11] <lastnode> Intimate`, you can try it, and then if you like it, you can install it
[02:11] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, hmms ... so you are totally new to linux ?
[02:11] <lupine_85> ok... so you're not connected to the AP, presumablt
[02:12] <lupine_85> y*
[02:12] <hernan> alguien habla espaol?
[02:12] <wickedpuppy> !es
[02:12] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:12] <Jack_Sparrow> !es
[02:12] <lupine_85> do iwconfig eth1 ...
[02:12] <Armagguedes> hello
[02:12] <gilianima> how to see what packages containing "java" in their name are installed on my system, using command line ?
[02:12] <lastnode> hi Armagguedes
[02:12] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: umm.. I have some experience, only some commands
[02:12] <lastnode> gilianima, apt-cache search java
[02:12] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: pm for talk
[02:12] <WhiteDeth> what am I looking for here?
[02:12] <lupine_85> Does "Access Point:" have anything?
[02:12] <JackONeill> !ubuntu
[02:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <WhiteDeth> Not associated
[02:13] <WhiteDeth> :\
[02:13] <Armagguedes> can someone tell me of a good Podcast?. im looking for tech, anime or related podcasts. i was kinda hoping someone knew about tech/linux podcasts here
[02:13] <zaggynl> Makefile:67: *** You'll need at least 2.6.16 kernel.  Stop.
[02:13] <zaggynl> ..
[02:13] <gilianima> lastnode: i need the list among already installed package
[02:13] <zaggynl> I have .29
[02:13] <WhiteDeth> hold a sec, switching PC's.
[02:13] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, hmms ... sorry no pm .. well if you know linux then its fine .. if not pls ask help from a local guru .. for a completely new user .. but you are not so yah .. enjoy!!
[02:13] <lupine_85> ok... try specifying the essid: "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid <blah>"
[02:13] <Intimate`> thanks.
[02:13] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: how would I connect to my wireless with ubuntu?
[02:13] <gilianima> lastnode: and with java only in the name
[02:14] <lastnode> gilianima, man apt-get, i forget the flag
[02:14] <WhiteDeth> you want me to enter that 32 digit code again!? gah lol
[02:14] <lupine_85> no...
[02:14] <lupine_85> ok... try specifying the essid: "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid <blah>"
[02:14] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, thats a very big question ... do you have supported hardware ? are drivers installed ? so manyyyy things ...
[02:14] <hydro> I was wondering if anyone might be able to  help ... I have an IBM Thinkpad X41 and just got Dapper Drake installed successfully. I have an Airport Express and the WiFi connection seems to be recognized (eth1) ... but I noticed that Dapper Drake takes a long time too change Locations in the Interface Properties (Networking). I created a new Location but whenever I reboot the machine, the Location is not used as default. Any help is apprecia
[02:14] <lupine_85> e.g. "lupine" for me. could be anything for you
[02:14] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: yes, I am on my wireless now.
[02:14] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: My ESSID = my WEP key, right?
[02:15] <aeroSoul> does anyone know where the outgoing mail from postfix is stored? or how i delete them... popularity-contest scripts tries to send mail but i dont have any external smtp servers setup in postfix
[02:15] <JackONeill> hydro, it's just crap
[02:15] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, linux ?
[02:15] <lupine_85> WhiteDeth: no
[02:15] <hydro> JackONeill what you do you mean?    Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[02:16] <hydro> JackONeill: would it be better to try and hack Mac OS X on the ThinkPad?
[02:17] <wols_>  /var/spool/postfix somewhere afaik
[02:17] <mmouse> can anybody tell me, if it's possible to update a hoary box to dapper. This is a remote server, so I got no desktop packages, ssh only access, and a complete reinstall is no option...
[02:17] <JackONeill> hydro, yup
[02:17] <hydro> JackONeill: have you tried that before?
[02:17] <lupine_85> mmouse: yes. upgrade to breezy first
[02:17] <aeroSoul> wols_: i'll have a look
[02:17] <JackONeill> hydro, linux just is not very adaptive in many situations - you found one
[02:17] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: ok will do.. downloading now.. do I get the i836 or whatever version?
[02:17] <JackONeill> hydro, will be one day, just not today
[02:17] <lupine_85> going direct to dapper is unsupported
[02:17] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, that depends on ya chip of course
[02:17] <hydro> JackONeill: but I thought Ubuntu is the bomb?
[02:18] <JackONeill> hydro, bollox
[02:18] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: it's a intel
[02:18] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Done.
[02:18] <wols_> JackONeill: please don't advocate illegal behaviour
[02:18] <hydro> JackONeill: but everyone is hyper about open source and how it will doom Microsoft
[02:18] <DBO> Jack_Sparrow??
[02:18] <Jack_Sparrow> JackONeill: is being disruptive and disrespectful to the channel
[02:18] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, intel also has 64 bit ...
[02:18] <JackONeill> hydro, sure, linux is great
[02:18] <wols_> DBO: JackONeill is trolling
[02:18] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Woohoo! I can ping my router! :D
[02:18] <lupine_85> WhiteDeth: cool
[02:18] <mmouse> lupine: the update faq says something about mandatory install of the "ubuntu-desktop" package. Do you know why? (i really don't want kde/gnome on this box...)
[02:18] <wols_> and advocating illegal behaviour
[02:18] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: dont think it is 64.
[02:18] <JackONeill> wols_ - No I am being honest... don't be such a dictator
[02:18] <JackONeill> and you Jack_Sparrow
[02:18] <hydro> JackONeill I think you had a bad day with Ubuntu today ... the other guy Jack Sparrow said you are being disruptive
[02:19] <DBO> JackONeill, this is not the forum to discuss those issues, please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:19] <lupine_85> now, run: sudo echo "nameserver <ip>" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[02:19] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: i'll get the i8** version. Thanks.
[02:19] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, well then 386 will do fine :P after that you can find out about ya chip from linux :P
[02:19] <lupine_85> ip is probably your router ip
[02:19] <DBO> JackONeill, this room is for tech support only
[02:19] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: What;s that for?
[02:19] <hydro> DBO: thanks
[02:19] <JackONeill> DBO, thats exactly what I gave
[02:19] <lupine_85> dns
[02:19] <JackONeill> read before you critise
[02:19] <WhiteDeth> aahh
[02:20] <JackONeill> hydro, if you want something thats hassle free and can do what you need quickly without fuss on the go... it's a no with linux
[02:20] <lupine_85> now ping www.google.co.uk should work fine
[02:20] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied"
[02:20] <hydro> DBO: can you make any recommendations regarding Locations in Network Settings? It seems very slow to change profiles after I have created a new Location and when I reboot, the Location I want to use is not used.
[02:20] <lupine_85> sudo...
[02:20] <WhiteDeth> i did
[02:20] <WhiteDeth> i swear :P
[02:20] <WhiteDeth> lol
[02:20] <lupine_85> ok, use ">" instead of ">>"
[02:20] <hydro> JackONeill: I think all operating systems are a hassle ... so far I think Mac OS X is the best.
[02:20] <lupine_85> (replace instead of append)
[02:21] <WhiteDeth> still same
[02:21] <DBO> hydro, edit your /etc/network/preferences to reflect what you want to be default
[02:21] <lupine_85> ok... sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[02:21] <JackONeill> hydro, MacOS is nice, but apple is a half breed of evil... not as bad as M$ tho
[02:21] <lupine_85> then add it in there :)
[02:21] <hydro> DBO: Thank you
[02:21] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: lol. How?
[02:21] <hydro> JackONeill: yes, I agree about Apple, this is why I am hopeful for Ubuntu
[02:21] <WhiteDeth> this all looks WAY too much like OSX86.
[02:22] <JackONeill> hydro, ubuntu is a phase
[02:22] <lupine_85> by typing "nameserver <IP>" into the editor that appears...
[02:22] <hydro> JackONeill: a phase toward what end?
[02:22] <JackONeill> hydro, nothing at all
[02:22] <DBO> hydro, please just ignore him
[02:22] <lupine_85> then ctrl+o (then <RETURN> to save)
[02:22] <lupine_85> the ctrl+x to exit
[02:22] <Jack_Sparrow> JackONeill: Is a Phase... soon to be phased out...
[02:22] <WhiteDeth> sweet
[02:22] <WhiteDeth> done
[02:22] <WhiteDeth> testing now
[02:23] <WhiteDeth> nope, unknowng host. I screwed up somewhere -_-
[02:23] <hydro> JackONeill: I'm all for being honest, but quite frankly I am very happy to be running Ubuntu today and I know its not perfect, so my expectations are just fine
[02:23] <lupine_85> argh
[02:23] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Fixed!
[02:23] <wols_>   hydro don't feed
[02:23] <lupine_85> woo!
[02:23] <WhiteDeth> lol, im the biggest idiot EVER.
[02:23] <JackONeill> hydro, there are more user friendly ideas that ubuntu refuses to implement and the marketting is not that good... won't catch o as much as it should do
[02:23] <lupine_85> nah :)
[02:23] <WhiteDeth> I wrote "nameserver <IP>" with quotes :P
[02:23] <WhiteDeth> lol!
[02:23] <lupine_85> bwahahahaha
[02:23] <lupine_85> ok... sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:23] <WhiteDeth> realized wtf I had done
[02:24] <lupine_85> we make it permanent and automatic now
[02:24] <WhiteDeth> oh
[02:24] <WhiteDeth> okay it loaded this file
[02:24] <lupine_85> first look for the two lines "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet static" ... if they aren't there, put them in
[02:24] <lupine_85> you might have iface eth1 inet dhcp - if so just edit dhcp->static
[02:25] <WhiteDeth> they're there
[02:25] <WhiteDeth> but it says iface eth1 inet dhcp :\
[02:25] <WhiteDeth> change to static?
[02:25] <lupine_85> yep
[02:25] <WhiteDeth> done sir
[02:25] <hydro> DBO: on my system, there is no such file as /etc/network/preferences
[02:25] <JackONeill> of course not
[02:25] <godfather> g' days
[02:25] <godfather> guys
[02:26] <wols_> hydro: /etc/network/interfaces
[02:26] <DBO> hydro, sorry, /etc/network/interfaces, I just woke up
[02:26] <godfather> i have a question
[02:26] <wols_> for how to config man interfaces
[02:26] <hydro> thanks DBO and wols_
[02:26] <lupine_85> you then want to add some lines right after the iface line:- "wireless-key <key>" | "wireless-essid <essid>" | "address <ip>"| netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:26] <godfather> i wish to learn making web pages
[02:26] <godfather> i've asked all around
[02:26] <godfather> and nowadays
[02:26] <jrib> !enter
[02:26] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[02:26] <WhiteDeth> | = linebreak?
[02:26] <lupine_85> yep
[02:26] <JackONeill> !linux
[02:26] <ubotu> linux: Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:26] <jrib> godfather: do you want to learn html?
[02:26] <godfather> the .net windows platform seems to be the best
[02:27] <dao> Is it true that the regular Dapper-install won't let me choose where to install GRUB?
[02:27] <godfather> they talk me about dream weaver
[02:27] <lupine_85> then dns-nameserver <ip> | "gateway <ip>"
[02:27] <lupine_85> !nvu#
[02:27] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 8343 kB, installed size 26440 kB
[02:27] <hydro> DBO:  if I want to  make one of my locations the default one to use, how would I enter that into /etc/network/interfaces ? I see only entries in interfaces currently such as "auto eth1", etc.
[02:27] <jrib> godfather: try not to use the enter key as punctuation
[02:27] <lupine_85> or just use jmarshall.com along with kate or gedit
[02:28] <godfather> with it u can use php, perl ,flash altogether making a real good job
[02:28] <WhiteDeth> lupine: when I enter address <IP> thats my IP right?
[02:28] <JackONeill> BLUE!
[02:28] <wols_> godfather: .net might be the best way for windosw, however most websites run on apache2 under *nix, and .net is not the best there
[02:28] <DBO> hydro, you just fill the information in there, google will show you how to do things if you are confused, im rather busy right now however
[02:28] <godfather> does exist somthing similar on linux platform?
[02:28] <WhiteDeth> lupine: and dns <IP> is what? :\
[02:28] <lupine_85> your IP, yes
[02:28] <JackONeill> hydro, amusing isn't it?
[02:28] <hydro> DBO: thank, I'll Google it
[02:28] <lupine_85> dns-nameserver <IP> is the ip of the router,  usually
[02:29] <hydro> JackONeill: I do agree with you in some regards ... this is why Microsoft charges money for support.
[02:29] <JackONeill> hydro, have fun in your never ending maze
[02:29] <WhiteDeth> lupine: So it'll be the same as the gateway IP
[02:29] <wols_> hydro: he will heckle until you ignore him
[02:29] <Noxville> hello.
[02:29] <WhiteDeth> okay, added all lines
[02:29] <hydro> wols_: thanks for the heads up ... but JackONeill isn't really heckling me
[02:30] <JackONeill> i'm just trying to be -upbeat- :P
[02:30] <WhiteDeth> Ctrl+O and Ctrl+x now?
[02:30] <lupine_85> yep
[02:30] <wols_> hydro: it's still trolling
[02:30] <WhiteDeth> done
[02:30] <lupine_85> then on a reboot your net shoudl work automagically
[02:30] <WhiteDeth> lol.
[02:30] <WhiteDeth> time to test this!
[02:30] <JackONeill> hydro, everyone is a facist dictator here... if you step out of line you get shot
[02:30] <JackONeill> it's like efnet
[02:30] <godfather> so does exist a big platform on linux to make web pages
[02:30] <Mortice> hydro: no, but he is trolling, and you're feeding him
[02:30] <hydro> wols_: what does trolling mean?
[02:30] <Noxville> any1 know what the package is for random quote generator???
[02:30] <lupine_85> !nvu
[02:30] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 8343 kB, installed size 26440 kB
[02:30] <Juhaz> !ops
[02:30] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[02:30] <lupine_85> hydro: people posting stuff just to get a reaction and disrupt the channel.mailing list
[02:31] <wickedpuppy> Noxville, fortune ?
[02:31] <lupine_85> best bet is /ignore when that happens
[02:31] <DBO> Juhaz?
[02:31] <Noxville> why thank you... its been a while
[02:31] <Jack_Sparrow> !troll
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <JackONeill> watch this :P (go ahead)
[02:31] <hydro> lupine_85: oh, I see ... yeah, I don't think of myself as troll bait so I will be ignoring tolls now
[02:31] <JackONeill> prove my point
[02:31] <DBO> JackONeill, please take the off topic chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:32] <JackONeill> This was on topic and you know it
[02:32] <munti> Hi, what do I thow do I set permissions drwxr-xr-x on my current user, I have su access
[02:32] <hydro> JackONeill: that is not really kind of you to troll in a public chat room where people come for assistance
[02:32] <lupine_85> hmm, I dunno... you look convincing ;)
[02:32] <jrib> this is ridiculous, just ban him.  Thank you
[02:32] <munti> how do I set permissions drwxr-xr-x on my current user, I have su access
[02:32] <munti> sorry for that
[02:32] <lupine_85> sudo chmod 755 <blah>
[02:32] <kling0n> !libvisual
[02:32] <WhiteDeth> lupine! :D Ping is working after reboot!
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libvisual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <WhiteDeth> now to try the internet :D
[02:33] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: so what must I do to be able to connect to my wireless?
[02:33] <munti> lupine_85: thx
[02:33] <FurryNemesis> !vpn
[02:33] <frogzoo> munti: chmod 755
[02:33] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[02:33] <lupine_85> mwahahaha
[02:33] <kling0n> !libvisual0.4
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libvisual0.4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <kling0n> !libvisual0.2
[02:33] <ubotu> libvisual0.2: Audio visualization framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.0-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 70 kB, installed size 228 kB
[02:33] <Tami> hola!!
[02:33] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, well ... wireless card is a starter ... and see if linux can recognise it ..
[02:33] <Jack_Sparrow> DBO: thank you
[02:33] <lupine_85> hola
[02:33] <lupine_85> !es
[02:33] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:33] <dao> I'm about to install Dapper, but I don't want to install GRUB on the Master Boot Record... is it true that with the regular Dapper-installation it is not possible to install GRUB other then on the MBR location?
[02:33] <WhiteDeth> holy crap it worked!! :D
[02:33] <WhiteDeth> Lupine_85: I owe you biiiiiiiiiig! Thanks a lot!! :D
[02:33] <lupine_85> dao: use the alternative install CD
[02:33] <lupine_85> !alternate
[02:33] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-installation CD, with no live session. Use this if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an expert install.
[02:33] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: I used back|track and that managed to reconise it
[02:33] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85 for op! :P
[02:34] <WhiteDeth> :D
[02:34] <lupine_85> hehe
[02:34] <lupine_85> j/k
[02:34] <WhiteDeth> now...time to go find me a good IRC client
[02:34] <Jack_Sparrow> lupine_85: Nice work with that..
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> whats back|track ?
[02:34] <WhiteDeth> im sick of chatzilla
[02:34] <WhiteDeth> its fugly
[02:34] <WhiteDeth> is there a mIRC for Linux?
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> WhiteDeth, xchat
[02:34] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: network secuirty version of linux
[02:34] <lupine_85> Jack_Sparrow: np :). good job he was using edgy though
[02:35] <dao> lupine_85, oke great :-)
[02:35] <user42> hello...\
[02:35] <WhiteDeth> xchat it is.
[02:35] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, ah i see ... well then can you surf the net ?
[02:35] <Jack_Sparrow> WhiteDeth: I like Konversation.. but I am probably in the minority on that one
[02:35] <lupine_85> ipw3495 + dapper is a PITA
[02:35] <ptenf> Hi all. Suggestions how I can get russian characters display properly in the console? I need both russian and english.. Thank you
[02:35] <Murchadh> would someone please help me....I have breezy installed but i notice on the update manager that it has an option to "upgrade" to dapper...what I would like to know is, if i click on "upgrade" will it just upgrade my breezy painlessly to dapper or will it require me to install dapper as a new version beside breezy?
[02:35] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: didnt know how to connect lol
[02:35] <frogzoo> !fonts > Murchadh
[02:35] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, how did you know that distro recognise the card ?
[02:35] <frogzoo> !fonts > ptenf
[02:35] <frogzoo> soz Murchadh
[02:35] <user42> quick question, now that I have completely hosed X attempting to install Xgl, how do I reconfigure X in ubuntu? the standard X conf console utilities don't appear to exist.
[02:36] <Intimate`> wiccked: i did the command that tells you what cards you have installed or something
[02:36] <wols_> user42: didn't you make backups?  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:36] <frogzoo> !xorg
[02:36] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:36] <Noxville> how do you output fortunes to a file???
[02:36] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, well then can you run that method again ?
[02:36] <lupine_85> Real Men Don't Back Up
[02:36] <Noxville> !fortune
[02:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fortune - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:36] <lupine_85> Noxville: fortune > file
[02:36] <jrib> Noxville: fortune > file
[02:36] <wols_> Murchadh: it will upgrade your breezy
[02:36] <user42> quit
[02:37] <Noxville> lupine, isn't that for only one fortune? i need many
[02:37] <WhiteDeth> lupine_85: Now tomorrow im gonna be asking you to help me install AIGXL and Beryl on this :P
[02:37] <Murchadh> thank you wols_
[02:37] <lupine_85> then stick it in a for loop?
[02:37] <wickedpuppy> Noxville, then  you write a loop in bash
[02:37] <jrib> don't the fortunes come from a file?
[02:37] <lupine_85> or just grab them from the furtunes file directly
[02:37] <wols_> jrib: it does
[02:37] <Noxville> hlp. please. i = n00b
[02:37] <lupine_85> pretty easy
[02:37] <Noxville> well wheres that file then
[02:37] <Noxville> ?
[02:38] <lupine_85> % separates entries, IIrC
[02:38] <Warbo> Has anyone tried using the soundconverter program to get Ogg Vorbis out of Musepack? I have the gstreamer0.8 plugin but it just waits a few seconds then says "Done in 5 seconds" (which it blatantly hasn't)
[02:38] <jrib> Noxville: /usr/share/games/fortunes/
[02:38] <Noxville> dankeshun
[02:38] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: i'll find the command for you
[02:39] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> !dist-upgrade
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dist-upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <Intimate`> wickedpuppy: ifconfig -a
[02:39] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, so ... your card is recognised now ?
[02:40] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> people i need your help. how can i get the IP of a person with whom i m chatting using Gaim?
[02:40] <wickedpuppy> PunjabiFLOYDIAN, may we ask why ?
[02:40] <lupine_85> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: the protocol is designed so you can't do that
[02:40] <Warbo> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: Type into the message window "Excuse me, what is your IP?"
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[02:43] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, no prob :P
[02:43] <Intimate`> :D
[02:43] <stikif> hi i was trying out vista the other day and it seems to have wiped out grub , i currently am in the live version of ubuntu 5.10, is there a way to reload my original grub from the live cd?
[02:43] <Warbo> !grub > stikif
[02:43] <stikif> !grub
[02:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:43] <Warbo> Why does everyone do that?
[02:44] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> cause its a bot
[02:44] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> LOL
[02:44] <wickedpuppy> stikif, windows doesn't like to share :P
[02:44] <hydro> Good by JackONeill -- be good and don't troll too much!
[02:44] <Warbo> Writing "!something > someone" then "someone" types "!something"
[02:44] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> LOL
[02:44] <Khamael> is there a graphical frontend to qemu?
[02:44] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> hey anyone know any good tutorial on IRC
[02:45] <Khamael> or a good howto?
[02:45] <wols_> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/faq.html
[02:45] <Warbo> Khamael: I think some have been made, but the command line options have changed round a bit recently
[02:45] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> wols_ thanks
[02:45] <Khamael> Warbo: worth a try.. is it in any ubuntu repo?
[02:45] <Warbo> Eg. "--user-net" is not "--net user"
[02:46] <Warbo> Khamael: None in Ubuntu
[02:46] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> just wondering - is the Linux kernel written in C?
[02:46] <jrib> is it possible for evolution to automatically download mail from pop.gmail and place it in appropriate virtual folders that correspond to the labels it has been given with gmail?
[02:46] <wickedpuppy> PunjabiFLOYDIAN, you can see for yourself :P Thats the power of linux
[02:46] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> is it for real? I mean : is it compiled on the fly?
[02:46] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> JIT type of thing?
[02:47] <Warbo> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: The source is available to download
[02:47] <kamui> jrib, been tryin to do that for a long time
[02:47] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> ok...
[02:47] <wols_> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: Yes C. C is never compiler just in time
[02:47] <wickedpuppy> PunjabiFLOYDIAN, i would like to know who told you about linux kernel being jit ...
[02:47] <wols_> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: C is always compiled to machine code
[02:47] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> wickedpuppy: My stupid sick mind
[02:47] <wickedpuppy> might be interesting to talk to
[02:47] <wickedpuppy> ah k
[02:48] <jrib> kamui: hmm ok
[02:48] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> so all you guys no C also. and u r linux geeks. what else you want? ur evolution is complete
[02:48] <Warbo> I can't program to save my life (although I have now had a single lecture on basic Java)
[02:48] <lupine_85> there's a JIT version of C...
[02:49] <frogzoo_> when my pppoe drops out, it fails to reconnect - I have to restart pppd - any ideas ?
[02:49] <kamui> jrib: the best Ive been able to do is set the same rules in evolution as I did in gmail to apply the labels.  GMail popping doesn't append the labels unfortunately to the subject so there isn't any other way afaik
[02:49] <Warbo> But I already knew what a variable was...
[02:49] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> see. and u guys were laughing at me.
[02:49] <wickedpuppy> PunjabiFLOYDIAN, pls do not generalise ... not all know C and now all are linux geeks ... :P
[02:49] <jrib> kamui: ah I see.  Yeah, that is what I'll have to do.  Thanks
[02:49] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> LOL
[02:49] <kamui> jrib: by using the same rules I have mail sorted automagically
[02:49] <Noxville> have a permanent ping running that connects only when you don't recieve ping
[02:49] <kamui> jrib: np
[02:49] <Noxville> any1 know perl?
[02:49] <Khamael> Warbo: found qemu-launcher, but it says it needs qemu. but I have qemu
[02:49] <ffDDu> anyone here know howto use regexp syntaxes
[02:50] <kamui> what DOES punjabi mean
[02:50] <wickedpuppy> Noxville, #perl
[02:50] <rambo3> !offtopic
[02:50] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[02:50] <kamui> ;)
[02:50] <jrib> ffDDu: probably a few people, what is your question? :)
[02:50] <Noxville> ah.. the light..
[02:50] <wols_> kamui: someone from punjab?
[02:50] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> nice. Punjab is  a place in Pakistan. I am from there.
[02:50] <ffDDu> i couldnt make rexexp that would take every .mp3 file that does not have (LOWQ) text in it
[02:50] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> LOL. Exactly. Punjab + People from There = Punjabis
[02:50] <WhiteDeth> question about xchat...
[02:50] <Warbo> Khamael: Yeah, I think I have a package of that. I don't know how I installed it (since I comnpiled my own qemu), I think maybe extracting it, changing the dependencies then repackaging it might work
[02:50] <jrib> ffDDu: in what context?
[02:50] <ffDDu> so .mp3 that DOES NOT have (lowq)
[02:50] <wedgeV> is there a repo that provides the latest alsa packages?
[02:50] <ffDDu> jrib in filename
[02:50] <rambo3> So when you call dell support you get to talk to family members ,
[02:51] <kamui> lolololololx, i suppose I've been lead astray
[02:51] <WhiteDeth> What can I do in xchat so it'll show me the status of the person im talking to? Like +o or +v etc??
[02:51] <jrib> ffDDu: what program are you using the regexp in?
[02:51] <Khamael> Warbo: think I`ll settle for a nice howto  ;-)
[02:51] <kamui> whihtedeth: xchat automatically colors nicks according to their status
[02:51] <ffDDu> jrib some download manager
[02:51] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> for all those curious bout me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabis
[02:51] <zaggynl> Is there a way to change the icon of an excisting Launcher, without having to create a new Launcher?
[02:51] <WhiteDeth> oh
[02:51] <ffDDu> i need regexp like: "This But Not This"
[02:51] <WhiteDeth> COLORS nicks.
[02:51] <WhiteDeth> so blue = +o?
[02:52] <wickedpuppy> zaggynl, right click and properties
[02:52] <ffDDu> so like "Make Excpetion When This
[02:52] <DBO> .cs o
[02:52] <Warbo> Khamael: All I remember is -hda for HD, -cdrom for CD (or use -hdc), -fda for floppy, -boot X to boot from device X in MSDOS style (a, c or d), and occasionally -soundhw sb16 (I think) for sound
[02:53] <zaggynl> wickedpuppy, okay
[02:53] <zaggynl> wickedpuppy, and then?
[02:53] <lupine_85> sd* can also be hard discs
[02:53] <Warbo> lupine_85: In Qemu?
[02:53] <lupine_85> oh, not sure then :)
[02:53] <wickedpuppy> zaggynl, click on the icon ?
[02:54] <kamui> whitedeath: I think the default is green is an op, yellow is +v.  Mine actually places a small circle next to the name in the users list, and when they send a message with my nick in it, the color of their nick at the beginning of the message is the color of their status.  Also dark grey nicks are AFK
[02:54] <lupine_85> depends on how it presents them I guess
[02:54] <zaggynl> ahhh
[02:54] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> is wine able to run any windows software?
[02:54] <Warbo> The - is because those are commandline options for Qemu :)
[02:54] <wickedpuppy> PunjabiFLOYDIAN, any as in all ? nope ...
[02:54] <zaggynl> wickedpuppy, didn't expect that, thanks :D
[02:54] <wickedpuppy> :P
[02:54] <lupine_85> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: it does notepad exceptionally well
[02:54] <POVaddct> lupine_85: qemu emulates ide harddisks only
[02:54] <lupine_85> ok, thanks :)
[02:54] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> LO
[02:54] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> LOL
[02:54] <Intimate`> Warbo: if you type in -hda does it take you to your hard drive ect.?
[02:54] <Warbo> Intimate`: You mean "qemu -hda XXXXXXX"?
[02:55] <DBO> argh!
[02:55] <Intimate`> Warbo: yah.. is it. qemu -hda c?
[02:55] <Warbo> It IS possible to use "qemu -hda /dev/hda" but not advised. If you run the same OS twice the filesystem becomes readonly and everything screws up :)
[02:55] <POVaddct> Intimate`: no, the -hda option requires a filename which is handles as a harddisk image
[02:55] <POVaddct> Intimate`: plus what Warbo said
[02:56] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> !LVM
[02:56] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[02:56] <ffDDu> hey someone help me with RegExp
[02:56] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> !RegExp
[02:56] <wedgeV> is there a repo that provides the latest alsa packages?
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about RegExp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <Intimate`> Thanks.
[02:56] <wickedpuppy> ffDDu, if i were you i ask in a programming channel ... honestly
[02:56] <Warbo> Intimate`: The "a", "c" and "d" are used for the -boot option, to make qemu boot floppy, HD or CD
[02:56] <ffDDu> wickedpuppy i dont know any
[02:56] <Intimate`> oh ok
[02:56] <wickedpuppy> #perl is a good start
[02:57] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> goodbye people. happy hacking.
[02:57] <POVaddct> !mmsrip
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mmsrip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <silent_scream> what is the difference between two kernels? i.e. 2.6.15 and 2.6.17 ?
[02:57] <lupine_85> silent_scream: lots :)
[02:58] <Lunar_Lamp> for xchat, is a there a package of sound files downloadable anywhere? it seems to have come by default without any sounds, and i want to use some (e.g. play sound on pm) etc?
[02:58] <wickedpuppy> silent_scream, 0.0.02
[02:58] <lupine_85> read the changelog if you're really interested
[02:58] <silent_scream> c'mon now.. :D
[02:58] <Jack_Sparrow> silent_scream: 0.0.02  :)
[02:58] <jUggERNAUt1980> hi all, can you see my message here?
[02:58] <Warbo> silent_scream: Various updates. For example, 2.6.15 doesn't contain ueagle-atm USB modem driver or CELL processor support, among other things
[02:58] <lupine_85> hang on, I'll paste it into the channel for you... ;)
[02:58] <lupine_85> (/k!)
[02:58] <wickedpuppy> jUggERNAUt1980, nope
[02:58] <POVaddct> wickedpuppy: hehehe. i'd say: diff -Nru linux-2.6.15 linux-2.6.17
[02:58] <Warbo> Actually it is 0.0.2
[02:58] <wickedpuppy> i can't see your message
[02:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Some of are too literal
[02:58] <wickedpuppy> oh yah
[02:59] <wickedpuppy> pardon my math :P
[02:59] <silent_scream> Warbo, you mean some modules ha? is it faster or something?
[02:59] <jUggERNAUt1980> wickedpuppy, thanks:  ;)
[02:59] <Warbo> Mathematically .11 is "point one one", but since Linux gets updated so much it is more likely to be "point eleven"
[03:00] <jrib> ffDDu: yeah, I don't how to write a regex like that, usually you just tell the program to get the opposite, like grep -v would
[03:00] <silent_scream> Warbo, is there any topic to read in ubuntuforums for kernels?
[03:00] <Warbo> silent_scream: I'm sorry I don't go on the forums much. The main website for Linux is kernel.org
[03:00] <jUggERNAUt1980> i'm having some strange trouble with my local networking on my box
[03:01] <silent_scream> oh thnx Warbo
[03:02] <jUggERNAUt1980> when i enable both my wlan and eth interfaces at the same time, i can't get internet access through my wifi.
[03:02] <jUggERNAUt1980> any thoughts?
[03:02] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: defaultroute snafu
[03:02] <partha> jUggERNAUt1980, have you checked if the default route/gateway is set
[03:02] <Warbo> jUggERNAUt1980: Are you sure you have one of them set as the default gateway? (I would assume that ethernet takes precedence since it is faster)
[03:03] <jUggERNAUt1980> wols_, how would i go about fixin that then?
[03:03] <jUggERNAUt1980> my internet connection is via wifi, and i have my default gateway set to ath0, my wifi.
[03:03] <Warbo> jUggERNAUt1980: Are you using the regular System>Admin>Networking tool?
[03:03] <partha> jUggERNAUt1980, network settings->default gatewy
[03:03] <sheepy1988> hi folks, i'm having a problem with grub, anyone able to help?
[03:03] <Warbo> oh, OK forget me
[03:03] <partha> sheepy1988, just shoot
[03:03] <sheepy1988> huh?
[03:03] <Warbo> ask :)
[03:03] <partha> somebody might be of help
[03:03] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: editing /etc/network/interfaces. but first make sure it is actually the problem
[03:03] <sheepy1988> ah right lol
[03:03] <jUggERNAUt1980> i'm using both.  what i want to do is connect my friend's system to the internet through mine via connection sharing.
[03:03] <partha> yeah yeah ask
[03:03] <sheepy1988> i r mong
[03:04] <partha> :)
[03:04] <jUggERNAUt1980> i "acquire" my access through my neighbor's router.
[03:04] <Warbo> jUggERNAUt1980: you might need to set up a bridge
[03:04] <wols_> that's different: ubuntu-ics or ipmasq
[03:04] <Warbo> Firestarter can do it I think
[03:04] <sheepy1988> ok, so i've got ubuntu dapper set to boot using grub, but my family wants xp to boot because they dont like ubuntu. how do i go about changing the boot settings?
[03:04] <jUggERNAUt1980> warbo, how do i go about that?
[03:04] <jUggERNAUt1980> i'm a bit of a newbit.
[03:04] <partha> /boot/grub/menu.1st
[03:04] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: that's different: ubuntu-ics or ipmasq
[03:04] <chicken_Fire> hello! How can I list the dependencies of a deb?
[03:04] <Warbo> jUggERNAUt1980: Install the firestarter package, and it has a wizard to let you share connections
[03:05] <sheepy1988> problem is, when i try to access that and change it in a text editor it wont let me
[03:05] <m1sh-L> is fglrx the only ati driver for ubuntu or is there an other one?
[03:05] <sheepy1988> it says i'm not the owner
[03:05] <partha> sheepy1988, edit that file
[03:05] <wols_> sheepy1988: sudo naon /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:05] <partha> use sudo
[03:05] <wols_> sudo nano
[03:05] <partha> *nano
[03:05] <jUggERNAUt1980> firestarter said it can do it, but when i try to start the firewall, firestarter tells me that one of my devices isn't active
[03:05] <jazzrocker> use emacs os!
[03:05] <Warbo> "gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[03:05] <oss> hi there
[03:05] <partha> hi
[03:05] <jUggERNAUt1980> but when i check administrator-->networking, it shows both as active.
[03:05] <oss> can you help me?
[03:06] <partha> about what??
[03:06] <Warbo> jUggERNAUt1980: Well I have never used firestarter for that myself, I just know it has the option, so I can't help you any further sorry :(
[03:06] <partha> wiht whaht
[03:06] <oss> how can I start in console with ubuntu?
[03:06] <Noxville> firestarter is shit ...
[03:06] <oss> at boot
[03:06] <wols_> !info ubuntu-ics
[03:06] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-ics does not exist in any distro I know
[03:06] <Noxville> !shit
[03:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:06] <wols_> !info ipmasq
[03:06] <ubotu> ipmasq: securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling. In component universe, is extra. Version 4.0.8-0.1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 612 kB
[03:06] <sheepy1988> what do i need to edit?
[03:06] <partha> there is an optiopn called default
[03:06] <partha> search for default
[03:06] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: use ipmasq
[03:06] <Warbo> sheepy1988: press alt-f2 and run "gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[03:07] <Warbo> oops, I am lagging behind
[03:07] <Khamael> can I install software on a PalmOS device through qemu?
[03:07] <jrib> chicken_Fire: dpkg -I will give you that info for a .deb.  apt-cache depends package, works if it is in the repositories
[03:07] <partha> set saved as the option for default
[03:07] <partha> go to the end of the file
[03:07] <wols_> kamui: there are ways with linux native programs
[03:07] <partha> and for your windows xp entry just say savedefault
[03:08] <sheepy1988> ok, and how do i save the file?
[03:08] <partha> type in savedefault that is is
[03:08] <partha> if you are using gedit click save
[03:08] <partha> or ctrl-s should do
[03:08] <chicken_Fire> thx jrib
[03:09] <sheepy1988> i'm using nano
[03:09] <jrib> sheepy1988: ctrl-o saves, ctrl-x exits
[03:09] <partha> say ctrl-x
[03:09] <jUggERNAUt1980> by all acounts, everything i've done here works, but my eth0 and ath1 won't work when activated at the same time.
[03:09] <partha> and save
[03:09] <kamui> wols_: what did I ask?
[03:10] <sheepy1988> ok
[03:10] <Warbo> jUggERNAUt1980: Hang on, I will try and find the bridging wiki page...
[03:10] <sheepy1988> i think i've done it, i'm going to reboot
[03:10] <sheepy1988> thanks guys
[03:10] <jUggERNAUt1980> warbo, awesome!  thank you!
[03:11] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: which one is the defaultroute under "/sbin/route" when both are active?
[03:11] <rockzman> Can someone help me with Iptables?
[03:11] <wols_> rockzman: more specifics
[03:11] <rockzman> Sure
[03:12] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: cause if none of them works and won't let you go on the internet, then it's probably a route problem and bridging won't help a bit
[03:12] <rockzman> wols_ i have this http://pastebin.com/794701 firewall and my clients are not surfing
[03:12] <rockzman> can you check
[03:13] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> i cant write to my fat32 partition. can anyone help?
[03:13] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: and to get your friend on the internet too via eth1 while you are connected to ath0 to the internet, you will need ipmasquerading or bridging
[03:13] <plb> Anyone know whats going on with the whole firefox name change thing?
[03:13] <wols_> rockzman: install ipmasq
[03:13] <Jack_Sparrow> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: yes I can write to my fat32
[03:13] <fbenites> hi
[03:13] <Warbo> OK the address for this is weird so it may not work for you, but what the hell https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges/BridgingNetworkInterfaces?highlight=%28bridg%29
[03:13] <fbenites> hi! i installed blender in ubuntu, and somehow it doesnt show really good
[03:13] <jUggERNAUt1980> wols_, i tried iqmasq and dnsmasq, but that didn't work yet, either.
[03:13] <fbenites> i cant select anything... i can just quit with the short cuts
[03:13] <rockzman> wols_ and ipmasq is?
[03:13] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> i used the diskmount utility. but still. cant write to fat32
[03:14] <Warbo> fbenites: Have you used it before? The interface is weird
[03:14] <partha> PunjabiFLOYDIAN, u probablu need to sudo
[03:14] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: answer my question
[03:14] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> how ?
[03:14] <partha> rather you *need* to sudo
[03:14] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> how to write using console? i dont know
[03:14] <partha> what exactly are you trying to do?
[03:14] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> i downloaded a song in Linux. now i want to move it the songs collection.
[03:14] <sheepy1988> didnt work =(
[03:15] <Jack_Sparrow> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: Please post your fstab to the !Pastebin.
[03:15] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> which is on a fat32 partition
[03:15] <wols_> rockzman: NAT
[03:15] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> ok wait
[03:15] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> !pastebin
[03:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:15] <wols_> !info ipmasq
[03:15] <ubotu> ipmasq: securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling. In component universe, is extra. Version 4.0.8-0.1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 612 kB
[03:15] <partha> sheepy1988, can you put your menu.1st file in pastebin
[03:15] <Warbo> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands (I think it is)
[03:15] <rockzman> wols_ u dont know just how to fix my iptables?
[03:16] <kippi> hey
[03:16] <wols_> rockzman: no. and I don't want to tbh
[03:16] <Warbo> lst = abbreiviation of "list", not first
[03:16] <kippi> could someone help me with a mysql starting problem?
[03:16] <rockzman> wols_ ok "thanks"
[03:16] <fbenites> Warbo: sure, it is pretty good, in my gentoo, or my notebook ubuntu
[03:16] <partha> ooeps sorry - type wols_ thanks for pointing it out
[03:16] <partha> menu.lst
[03:16] <rockzman> can someone support me with an iptables script?
[03:16] <wols_> rockzman: the chance you getting help in here is about 1% or less with an iptables problem. ask #iptables
[03:17] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> people : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d24878
[03:17] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> please help! unable to write to fat32 partition, moutned
[03:18] <Warbo> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: "cd /wherever/it/is/mounted && sudo cp /the/path/to/your/song.mp3 ."
[03:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Warbo: THis one works well also  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[03:18] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> warbo: thanks buddy
[03:18] <rambo3> sudo cp wont work
[03:18] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> oh
[03:18] <Warbo> ?
[03:18] <lupine_85> ...yes it will...
[03:19] <SyborfI> .
[03:19] <plb> Hrm wonder if firefox name change will effect edgy release date
[03:19] <SyborfI> heya
[03:19] <Warbo> Firefox name change? Again?
[03:19] <lupine_85> doubt it
[03:19] <partha> sheepy1988, can u put the contents of your /boot/grub/menu.lst in pastebin
[03:19] <plb> Warbo: we are not allowed to use the name firefox
[03:19] <plb> debian..ubuntu that is
[03:20] <Warbo> Didn't they eventually settle on Firefox because it didn't infringe anyone else's copyrights?
[03:20] <sheepy1988> how do i do that? i'm new to ubuntu so you'll have to go slow with me =P
[03:20] <lupine_85> it's the logo that's the problem
[03:20] <lupine_85> TBH, FireFox isn't really free anymore
[03:20] <plb> Warbo: only debian and ubuntu cannot use the name firefox anymore
[03:20] <plb> because of their crap logo
[03:20] <Warbo> All the more reason to use Epiphany :)
[03:20] <lupine_85> but since Ubuntu doesn't follow the DFSG, they can use the logo...
[03:21] <fbenites> can somebody help me with the blender issue?
[03:21] <sheepy1988> right now i'm in sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <Warbo> Oh, it is a Debian decision? I respect that. If it was Mozilla being petty then I would be a little miffed
[03:21] <plb> lupine_85: it doesn't? last I checked Ubuntu didn't allow nonfree stuff into their official repos
[03:21] <jrib> I think the logo can't be used if it isn't an official release from mozilla?
[03:21] <sheepy1988> and i dont know what i have to edit
[03:21] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> hey worked! Thanks.
[03:21] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> isnt there any way to do it using GUI
[03:21] <partha> sheepy1988, what changes did you make last time
[03:21] <lupine_85> plb: true-ish
[03:21] <lupine_85> it's a tiny png, for crying out loud ;)
[03:22] <plb> lupine_85: now that mozilla is crying about it though...it is nonfree
[03:22] <sheepy1988> # groot=(hd0,1) to # groot=(hd0,0)
[03:22] <wedgeV> you can't use the name firefox without using the official mozilla firefox logo
[03:22] <Warbo> PunjabiFLOYDIAN: I would add the option "uid=yourusername" to the mount option of the drive (I know how to do that for manually mounting, and fstab, but nothing else)
[03:22] <lupine_85> ubuntu don't follow the DFSG as strictly as debian, so they could probably use the logo
[03:22] <plb> lupine_85: they wont
[03:22] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> warbo: thanks.
[03:22] <sheepy1988> 0,1 is ubuntu and 0,0 is windows xp
[03:22] <plb> lupine_85: mark won't allow non-free stuff into the repo
[03:22] <PunjabiFLOYDIAN> goodbye
[03:22] <partha> nope
[03:22] <lupine_85> meh
[03:22] <partha> thats not the one u need to do
[03:23] <partha> you need to change the option called 'default'
[03:23] <sheepy1988> dammit
[03:23] <partha> could you please revert those changes you did last
[03:23] <plb> wonder why mozilla is being a bunch of wankers now
[03:23] <wedgeV> they are not
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> please use #ubuntu-offtopic people
[03:24] <Warbo> It seems like Debian and Ubuntu are being very strict in their Freedom, which I respect
[03:24] <Warbo> OK, OK, offtopic
[03:24] <sheepy1988> is it "default num" i need to change?
[03:24] <partha> yup sheepy1988
[03:24] <partha> thats right
[03:24] <loudmouthman> okay ... probably a question for which i can expect to get FLAC .. but how/where can I get sound juicer to allow me to extract to MP3 directly ?
[03:24] <WhiteDeth> Anyone got suggestions for a download manager like FlashGet?
[03:24] <sheepy1988> ok, what do i change?
[03:24] <jUggERNAUt1980> wols_, i opened /sbin/route but it was full of characters that i couldn't make heads or tails of.
[03:25] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: run it, not opening it...
[03:25] <frogzoo> loudmouthman: you select mp3 as the format & rip
[03:25] <partha> what you could do is set the default to saved
[03:25] <partha> i.e 'default saved'
[03:25] <loudmouthman> hmm its not in the list of choices to export/extract
[03:25] <partha> whatever is within the quotes
[03:25] <loudmouthman> ive just located the ubtuntu forums thingy !
[03:25] <jUggERNAUt1980> wols_, hold on.
[03:25] <partha> and then scroll down to the windows xp list entry you have
[03:26] <sheepy1988> it says "default        0" but not in quotes
[03:26] <POVaddct> jUggERNAUt1980: i suspect you have actually _two_ default routes, which can lead to unexpected results
[03:26] <Warbo> OK, I am getting confused reading this and listening to podcasts, so I'll be back later :)
[03:26] <lupine_85> ...
[03:26] <wols_> POVaddct: if you add a new default, the old one gets overwritten. you can never have more than two
[03:27] <lupine_85> ip route show
[03:27] <lupine_85> pastebin it
[03:27] <wols_> POVaddct: never more than one that is
[03:27] <jUggERNAUt1980> POVaddct, how do i find that out?
[03:27] <jUggERNAUt1980> wols_, there is no such file.
[03:27] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: with /sbin/route
[03:27] <lupine_85> jUggERNAUt1980: ^ that %
[03:27] <sheepy1988> so where it says "default         0" i changed it to saved?
[03:27] <lupine_85> route is obsolete :)
[03:27] <partha> sheepy1988, thats right
[03:27] <partha> change the 0 to saved
[03:28] <salah14> g
[03:28] <sheepy1988> and then i save that?
[03:28] <edomachado> hi any speek spanish
[03:28] <POVaddct> wols_: i thought so in the past, but multiple instances of dhclient3 (on eth0 and eth1 for example) can really set _two_ default routes
[03:28] <GillaGal> When I click on the Update Manager icon in my system tray, it trys to run but then dies. Any idea why?  (Just started happening out of the blue)
[03:28] <Dink> !sp
[03:28] <ubotu> sp: James Clark's SGML parsing tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-1.2.1-46ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 169 kB, installed size 592 kB
[03:28] <fyrestrtr> !es
[03:28] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:28] <salah14> iooooooooooooou
[03:28] <wols_> !es
[03:28] <salah14> iiiiiiiiii
[03:28] <POVaddct> jUggERNAUt1980: run: route -n
[03:28] <edomachado> what can i do
[03:28] <fbenites> support for matrox g550 is very poor! glxheads has graphic problems...
[03:29] <wols_> !es > edomachado
[03:29] <sheepy1988> ok i've saved it
[03:29] <edomachado> i dont speak english so good
[03:29] <partha> sheepy1988, good
[03:29] <partha> you need to go further down your file
[03:29] <sheepy1988> ok
[03:29] <partha> and find the windows xp entry for grub
[03:29] <juanma_> edomachado, que te dicen que vayas a #ubuntu-es
[03:30] <sheepy1988> where it gives you the chain loader, makeactive etc?
[03:30] <partha> yeah
[03:30] <edomachado> thank you i have dont read bye
[03:30] <partha> thats right
[03:30] <britt> Is there a kernel for the crusoe processor?
[03:30] <GillaGal> When I click on the Update Manager icon in my system tray, it trys to run but then dies. Any idea why?  (Just started happening out of the blue)
[03:31] <sheepy1988> ok i'm there
[03:31] <partha> so at the end of the section add the line savedefault
[03:31] <sheepy1988> savedefault is already there
[03:31] <jUggERNAUt1980> here's the pastebin!!!  http://pastebin.ca/182908
[03:31] <partha> and remove the savedefult lines for other entries
[03:31] <Khamael> can`t I use a usb PalmOS with qemu?
[03:32] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: what about your eth interface? is it up while taking this paste?
[03:32] <zappe> wols_, yes.. cyrus.conf is in /etc ?
[03:32] <jUggERNAUt1980> wols_, no, i won't be able to xchat with it up.
[03:32] <wols_> jUggERNAUt1980: this paste is useless
[03:33] <sheepy1988> ok done
[03:33] <jUggERNAUt1980> argh1!!!!  i'll enable, run those commands, then i'll be back.
[03:33] <wols_> zappe: then the grep will produce a result line, since there are several "lmtp" in cyrus.cfong
[03:33] <wols_> grep -r -i lmtp /etc/*
[03:33] <partha> sheepy1988, save and exit
[03:33] <partha> and reboot
[03:33] <sheepy1988> ok, i'll be back soon
[03:33] <sheepy1988> thanks mate
[03:33] <partha> actually i have a strange problem something on those lines jUggERNAUt1980
[03:34] <grendelson> (Question re: migration) I have a debian testing system and use LVM - I want to move to Ubuntu and want to know if I can just install over the top of my susyte,/  home, var, tmp, opt, usr  are all on lvolumes.  / is not and I probably need to make it larger than the 220MB it is now...
[03:34] <POVaddct> wols_: i still suspend he is using dhcp for both interfaces. which is a bad idea for a router.
[03:34] <POVaddct> s/suspend/suspect
[03:34] <partha> i have a dsl modem
[03:34] <zappe> wols_, trying.. guess it takes some time
[03:34] <grendelson> I would prefer to keep home and opt intact (as well as var since i now have some web stuff there...
[03:34] <partha> and then i have my wireless router which connets to the dsl modem
[03:35] <wols_> POVaddct: he is no real router. yet. also he mooches of his neighbour's wireless. or so he says
[03:35] <partha> dsl modem->wireless router
[03:35] <grendelson> Better yet is ther a DEbian to Ubuntu migration guide /
[03:35] <POVaddct> wols_: what is "mooch"?
[03:35] <wols_> POVaddct: "steal" in this case
[03:35] <grendelson> mooch == use without asking :-)
[03:35] <elddik> Hi. I'm using putty to ssh to a (6.06) LAMP server w/ zenoss, however the session suddenly dies and i can no longer establish any network connections for 5-10 minutes.
[03:36] <partha> now i have this strange problem that i cant set the gateway on my machine to the dsl modem
[03:36] <POVaddct> wols_: okay. but i understand he wants to route his neighbor through his machine to the internet?
[03:36] <partha> it always takes the ip of the router as the gateway
[03:36] <partha> and that sux
[03:36] <elddik> Can anyone advise or point me to proper docs? (sorry to jump in w/ a nasty newbie=ish question)
[03:36] <wols_> partha: cause that gateway would be very wrong. your router is your gateway. and the dslmodem must work in bridge or passthru mode
[03:36] <Jack_Sparrow> plb: MAy I pm you about the firefox logo thing?
[03:36] <wols_> elddik: proper docs for what?
[03:36] <elddik> also, i set TCPKeepAlive to yes in the sshd_config and set putty to process keepalives
[03:37] <wols_> ah. that one
[03:37] <partha> wols_, ah!
[03:37] <lupine_85> POVaddct: for that he'd need a static route, surely?
[03:37] <plb> Jack_Sparrow: we are talking about in it in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:37] <plb> go there
[03:37] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[03:37] <ulfar> elddik: thats weird
[03:37] <GillaGal> When I click on the Update Manager icon in my system tray, it trys to run but then dies. Any idea why?  (Just started happening out of the blue)
[03:38] <sheepy1988> didnt work partha
[03:38] <elddik> i notice sshd_config as configured by ubuntu sets KeepAlive (but the man says TCPKeepAlive)
[03:38] <POVaddct> lupine_85: one of his interfaces should have a fixed ip address for that
[03:38] <vega-> i upgraded from dapper -> edgy and now even ls command doesn't work:
[03:38] <vega-> error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:38] <vega-> any ideas?
[03:38] <vega-> works in safe mode though
[03:38] <elddik> ulfar: more's the worry, cos i'm not at the office and i don't have acess to the bloody box to poke around in person
[03:39] <POVaddct> lupine_85: otherwise the other computer using his machine as a router always has to guess his ip address
[03:39] <elddik> ulfar: ... though I'm 5 days old ubuntu lover
[03:39] <TheGateKeeper> vega-: you might have more luck with the edge folks in ubuntu+1
[03:41] <chicken_Fire> how can I avoid the removal of egroupware when I update from php4 to php5 (the egroupware-core .deb depends on libapache2-mod-php4, but the egroupware team reports php5 beeing ok...)
[03:41] <ulfar> elddik: is it only the connection to your box that loses network once in a while ?
[03:41] <zappe> wols_, this is the lines i get in cyrus.conf ... http://pastebin.ca/182918
[03:42] <chicken_Fire> apt-get install --donotremovestuff libapache2-mod-php5 or so?
[03:42] <wols_> zappe: I didn't ask for cyrus conf. I asked for all your /etc
[03:42] <lupine_85> POVaddct: you can do static routes for IP ranges as well
[03:42] <wols_> since you apparently don't know if you have inetd.conf or xinetd.conf or whatever
[03:43] <sheepy1988> Partha, it didnt work
[03:43] <zappe> wols_, well. this then. http://pastebin.ca/182920
[03:43] <POVaddct> lupine_85: but a route with a gateway needs exactly one gw ip adresse, and that has to be known
[03:44] <wols_> zappe: best ask the cyrus mailinglist then or search google. no clue what it could be then
[03:44] <zappe> wols_, okey :/ thanks anyway
[03:44] <wols_> the only problem I had with lmtp was the postfix chroot
[03:44] <britt_> how well does mythtv work?
[03:45] <l-fy> hello
[03:45] <britt_> and do you all think a Athlon x2 4200+ is enough for mythtv
[03:45] <l-fy> where is plpgsql in ubuntu located? in which packet?
[03:45] <vega-> TheGateKeeper: ok thanks
[03:45] <wols_> britt_: it's overkill
[03:45] <britt_> ;)
[03:45] <TheGateKeeper> vega-: just hope they can help you
[03:46] <lupine_85> POVaddct: of course. gateways should always be static
[03:46] <britt_> wols_: i think i might have to dual boot linux and windows, so I can play some games.
[03:46] <wols_> britt_: a hauppauge PVR or similar or best tho
[03:46] <britt_> I would guess then that a P4 1.6Ghz doesnt have enough to run it
[03:46] <vega-> TheGateKeeper: we'll see, not that important anyway it's a test machine but just curious :)
[03:46] <grendelson> Sorry was AFK - I was asking if LVM volumed in debian could jsut be used in place installing Ubuntu over the top of a debian tesrting install?
[03:46] <britt_> wols_: i was planning on using the PVR-250
[03:47] <wols_> britt_: you'd guess wrong. a P3 1GHz could run it
[03:47] <britt_> wow
[03:47] <wols_> and if you use a PVR250, the CPU doesn't matter at all
[03:47] <britt_> i plan on using two of them
[03:47] <wols_> a PVR encrypts on its own
[03:47] <britt_> one for recording and one for viewing
[03:47] <wols_> erm, compresses
[03:47] <britt_> wols_: thats what i thought, hardware MPEG2 encoder
[03:47] <wols_> people with PVRs often use a Via C3
[03:48] <wols_> quieter, less power
[03:48] <britt_> nice and quiet eh?
[03:48] <POVaddct> lupine_85: that's what i am talking about. and i guess Juggernaut1980 wants to use a machine as gateway that gets ip addresses for both interfaces via dhcp, which is no good idea.
[03:48] <lupine_85> indeed
[03:48] <britt_> intresting
[03:48] <lupine_85> unless the leases are unlimited time, of course
[03:48] <TheGateKeeper> vega-: hope they sort it out when it comes time for the rest of us to do it for real
[03:48] <quiet> britt_, sure is. ;)
[03:48] <POVaddct> lupine_85: yeah
[03:49] <britt_> I have a p4 1.6 just doing nothing, maybe I will put that to use. ANything I should know? Does it just simply install as a module in apt-get
[03:49] <zaggynl> !windows
[03:49] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[03:49] <zaggynl> hahaha
[03:49] <zaggynl> 'nearest mental health institute'
[03:50] <wols_> britt_: it's not. you will need ivtv for your pvr which is a kernel module
[03:50] <vega-> TheGateKeeper: yea, although it can be my mistake also :)
[03:50] <Alan-D> I have questions concerning a Ubuntu server in a Windows 2003 environment.  Is somebody available to answer some questions?
[03:51] <TheGateKeeper> vega-: :-)
[03:51] <britt_> wols_: seems like the most expensive part now is the PVR0250s
[03:51] <wols_> no. with a C3 the most expensive part is usually the case
[03:51] <wols_> or the C3+mobo: they're not cheap either
[03:51] <chicken_Fire>  - Ubuntu dapper problem: I need php5 for php things, using the new xml parser of php5. I need to keep egroupware running, however, the egroupware deb depends on php4 only.
[03:51] <britt_> newegg has those?
[03:51] <chicken_Fire>  can I force egroupware and php5? (apt-get --forceblabla xxx)
[03:52] <no-use> because of some changes on the xgl repositories i can't install compiz-plugins using apt. But does someone knows where i can get the .deb file i need?
[03:52] <pmpfe> hi there
[03:53] <pmpfe> is there a way to monitor installed packages on multiple machines?
[03:53] <britt_> !hi
[03:53] <ubotu> Hi!  Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[03:55] <gonzalo> hola
[03:55] <gonzalo> hi
[03:55] <jhasse> wols_, thx
[03:55] <gonzalo> ddd
[03:55] <Hobbsee> gone
[03:55] <britt_> yea!!
[03:55] <TuxthePenguin84> haha
[03:55] <lupine_85> Hobbsee++
[03:55] <Alan-D> I have setup a share via samba in a windows 2003 environment, but I cannot authicate the users on the windows server to be able to access the share with write priv.  Anybody any ideas?
[03:55] <POVaddct> r.i.p. gonzalo :)
[03:55] <lupine_85> Alan-D: the wiki
[03:55] <britt_> I saw the mode and some wierd stuff happen and I knew what was happening next :D
[03:56] <Alan-D> Which wiki?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> bugger.
[03:56] <britt_> Alan-D: are your users properly conifgured
[03:56] <lupine_85> http://help.ubuntu.com/ it's  a common issue
[03:56] <Alan-D> On the windows server ,yes.
[03:56] <POVaddct> (actually r.i.p. means: rest in pieces  *g*)
[03:56] <wols_> Alan-D: he means on the samba one
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hmm...
[03:56] <britt_> Alan-D: yeah
[03:56] <Alan-D> Do I need to configer users on the ubuntu server?
[03:57] <britt_> Alan-D: I alwasy have used SWAT. It works pretty well and provides a web frontend to samba
[03:57] <wols_> Alan-D: yes
[03:57] <wols_> Alan-D: and set passwords too probably smbpassef
[03:57] <wols_> smbpasswd
[03:57] <l-fy> ok
[03:57] <britt_> Alan-D: specific users have to be told they have read/write access to that share, otherwise nobody has any access
[03:57] <quiet> swat is not real safe... but if security isn't a concern.. go ahead.
[03:57] <l-fy> ubuntu suxx
[03:58] <djvdorp> l-fy: WTF why?
[03:58] <lupine_85> IRC worzzzzz!!!won!!
[03:58] <Alan-D> I was hoping to create a group and add the windows user to that group, in that possible?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> it doesnt do what i wanted it to.  grumble.
[03:58] <britt_> quiet: intresting. I figured if I didnt allow remote access, I would be fine. I am using it on a remote server for a client
[03:59] <britt_> quiet: that box is behind a firewall anyway
[04:00] <quiet> britt_, how do you get to it then?
[04:00] <britt_> well I connect via ssh with xforwarding
[04:00] <britt_> open a firefox window
[04:00] <cpw> djvdorp: I wouldn't take the intellectual opinion of anyone saying something "suxx" to sway you into what distro to use
[04:01] <britt_> and use the localhost access to swat
[04:01] <Canuck> G'morning, does anyone know of a better file system than nautilus, one with photo previews and memory indication by file?
[04:01] <britt_> cpw: lol.
[04:01] <cpw> djvdorp: his intelligent speech patterns seems to indicate someone that had no idea what they were doing and blames it on something else
[04:01] <Ben81> how can i install a bittorrent server please ?
[04:01] <britt_> Canuck: natulis is a file manager, not a file system
[04:02] <chtank> is anyone here?
[04:02] <fyrestrtr> Ben81: there is no such thing a bittorrent server, all you need is a tracker.
[04:02] <POVaddct> britt_: you could also use ssh with port forwarding (not X forwarding) and run firefox locally (less bandwidth)
[04:02] <britt_> Canuck: i've always just learned to deal with Natulis
[04:02] <michael> when i want to modify my printer cups is asking for a username and a password, but i have no idea which one it means
[04:02] <michael> any hints ?
[04:02] <cpw> anyways, time for work :X
[04:02] <agwibowo> hello
[04:02] <Ben81> fyrestrtr, yes but is there a package for this ?
[04:02] <britt_> POVaddct: Im confused
[04:02] <Emanuele11> ben81: Do you want to became a bittorrent server or just download???
[04:02] <quiet> britt_, you're probably okay. There have just been known security issues with SWAT and that other web front-end for system management stuff... mostly because it requires the server to be running with root privliges.. so when exploitable bugs are found, they can be rather serious.
[04:03] <fyrestrtr> Ben81: the default bittorrent packet provides this, iirc. If you want an easy way, use azureus.
[04:03] <Ben81> Emanuele11, i want to be a tracker
[04:03] <Canuck> britt: That's your preference, not mine
[04:03] <Ben81> fyrestrtr, consoel only :)
[04:03] <Ben81> fyrestrtr, console only :) (sorry)
[04:03] <POVaddct> britt_: you would say: ssh -L 9001:localhost:901 user@host   and then run firefox locally connecting to http://localhost:9001/
[04:03] <fyrestrtr> there are bitorrent tools for the client too, just hit bt<tab> :)
[04:04] <wols_> Ben81: default bittorrent is console only
[04:04] <Ben81> wolki, yes but i dont't think it will auto install some script in /etc/init.d
[04:04] <Intimate`> would I be able to get mIRC for ubuntu?
[04:04] <britt_> quiet: well the 'client' is a friend of mine, and he's a complete idiot. If there was a problem come up, I'm sure that he would be the one to mess thigns up, not a security issue
[04:04] <britt_> Canuck: sorry man, I wasnt really finished.
[04:04] <wickedpuppy> Intimate`, use xchat ?
[04:04] <chtank> please give me a PM channel if anyone wishes to help
[04:05] <POVaddct> Intimate`: mIRC is windows only. you could run it in wine, but why use mIRC anyway?
[04:05] <agwibowo> !
[04:05] <britt_> Canuck: i'm sure someone will pop in, but have you used synaptic to look at other file managers
[04:05] <quiet> mIRC is garbage.
[04:05] <Volstrup> are anyone able to help me correct my xterm with special localized characters? When I use one of them my terminal gets screwed up, and I have to start all over my typing.
[04:05] <Intimate`> hmmm
[04:05] <quiet> irssi is where it's at.
[04:05] <britt_> quiet: agreed :)
[04:05] <Intimate`> POVaddct: mIRC is better :) lol
[04:05] <agwibowo> hello
[04:05] <dbzdeath> hey i'm having speed issues when playing 720p x264 on mplayer and i'm on an athlon 64 3800+ x2 could anyone give me some advice for getting smooth playback?
[04:05] <agwibowo> can anyone see my message?
[04:05] <quiet> on windows i usually use xchat.
[04:05] <POVaddct> Intimate`: i disagree
[04:05] <Intimate`> POVaddct: why so?
[04:05] <Canuck> britt: yes and google without much of a difference I can see off hand eh
[04:05] <britt_> dbzdeath: what video card are you using
[04:05] <wickedpuppy> agwibowo, nope
[04:05] <chicken_Fire>  can I force egroupware and php5? (apt-get --forceblabla xxx)
[04:05] <chtank> mIRC is the most popular of all IRC clients, but many are moving to xChat
[04:05] <chicken_Fire> in other words: how do I avoid the removal of a package when I upate from php4 to php5?
[04:06] <POVaddct> Intimate`: i use irssi and irssi only
[04:06] <britt_> Canuck: there's one i like that runs on xfce
[04:06] <dbzdeath> britt_: geforce 6800 GS
[04:06] <chicken_Fire> the apt-get --no-remove will just break with a message like "need to be removed but remove is disabled.
[04:06] <agwibowo> coz i'm using ircii.. not sure how to use it yet..
[04:06] <britt_> Canuck: unfortunately, i'm not on that box
[04:06] <britt_> dbzdeath: latest linux drivers?
[04:06] <wickedpuppy> agwibowo, i repeat .. nobody can see what you are typing ..
[04:06] <dbzdeath> britt_: latest in the ubuntu universe repos
[04:06] <wickedpuppy> lol
[04:06] <britt_> dbzdeath: hmm...
[04:06] <Canuck> britt: no worries will use the forums isntead
[04:06] <britt_> dbzdeath: what kernel?
[04:07] <dbzdeath> britt_: it seems to be in scenes with a lot of movement like where there was water flowing
[04:07] <quiet> xmoto 0.2.1 is kind of wierd.
[04:07] <quiet> :\
[04:07] <dbzdeath> britt_: um just a tick
[04:07] <lupine_85> xmoto++
[04:07] <dbzdeath> britt_: 2.6.15-27-k7
[04:08] <britt_> dbzdeath: intresting. seems like your cpu would have enough gut to be fine. although that resolution is quite intense
[04:08] <britt_> :o
[04:08] <britt_> class!
[04:08] <britt_> later people :)
[04:08] <dbzdeath> britt_: it should have enough even athlon xps can handle it AFAIK
[04:08] <[eDu] > hi
[04:09] <Alan-D> Can some explain to me how to give write access to a shared dossier?  Do I have to set the access on the dossier itself?
[04:09] <jay_> Someone says there is bug when inputing chinese with emacs in gnome, is it?
[04:09] <dbzdeath> mmm well does anyone know anything that could possibly help me?
[04:10] <chtank> I am looking for help, too, if any Ubuntu experts are here, please PM me
[04:10] <youssefassad[1] > quick ubuntu installer question in gparted, the fat32 drive has an icon with an exclamation mark on it, and I can't resize it. mount says it isn't mounted. Ideas?
[04:11] <chtank> guess not, I now shall look elsewheere or suggest my client use a different desktop release
[04:11] <chtank> thanks for hte non-help
[04:11] <finalbeta> just ask the question
[04:11] <finalbeta> don't ask to pm
[04:11] <lupine_85> !volunteers
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <finalbeta> or ask to ask
[04:11] <finalbeta> !ask
[04:11] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:11] <lupine_85> !volunteer
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <lupine_85> !patience
[04:11] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:12] <lupine_85> my ubotu-fu is down today :(
[04:12] <chtank> finalbeta I cannot follow in here, too many people
[04:12] <finalbeta> i can't talk right now, got an ice cream in my hand
[04:12] <finalbeta> 3 min
[04:12] <finalbeta> :p
[04:13] <youssefassad[1] > I really dont think behavior like "either you support me the way i want or i throw a tantrum" should be rewarded
[04:14] <lupine_85> could always buy a commercial support contract? ;)
[04:14] <youssefassad[1] > for example
[04:15] <jazzrocker> jay_, use vim
[04:15] <jazzrocker> jay_, emacs--, vim++
[04:15] <chtank> hey, we provide web services for the handicapped, who are the forgotten of the world, all our servers are on Linux and we are trying to get the handicapped moved to LInux, too, now, you can e-mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you are willing to volunteer some little help
[04:16] <ru> hello all, how install eclipse without gij in ubuntu6.06 ?
[04:16] <t3nxt> i installed kubuntu but i didn't like it so i installed ubuntu using apt-get ubuntu-desktop... how can i erase all the kde stuff?
[04:16] <erUSUL> !java
[04:16] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:16] <wols_> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:17] <t3nxt> ty
[04:17] <michael> when i want to modify my printer cups is asking for a username and a password, but i have no idea which one it means
[04:17] <lupine_85> cupsys:cupsys ?
[04:17] <erUSUL> wols_: that will only remove the metapackage
[04:17] <Alan-D> How can give a group write access to a dossier?
[04:17] <ru> i alreay install java. but eclipse install want to install gij (openoffice not require it now)
[04:17] <youssefassad[1] > hm, maybe if I run gparted from the command line...
[04:17] <erUSUL> michael: web interface?
[04:17] <wols_> erUSUL: then remove kdelbis4
[04:18] <michael> erUSUL, yes i use the http://localhost webinterface
[04:18] <erUSUL> michael: the cups web interface in ubuntu is non functional
[04:18] <michael> erUSUL, that means.... ?
[04:18] <erUSUL> michael: you have to enabel it. there is a page in the wiki. hang on a minute
[04:18] <michael> ok
[04:18] <robin> Hi does anyone know if there is a boxed Linux ready to go version of DOOM 3?
[04:19] <cdavis> can rhythmbox manage songs on my ipod
[04:19] <erUSUL> michael: or use System>Admin>Printers
[04:19] <robin> cdavis: Yes
[04:19] <wickedpuppy> robin, you mean can any linux distro play doom 3 out of the box ?
[04:19] <erUSUL> michael: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrintingCupsWebInterface
[04:20] <tengil> i have apache2 working with mysql and php and such and i just installed tomcat. anyone wanna tell me what i need to configure after tomcat is installed. its started but buy the looks of things i cant connect to it now
[04:20] <robin> wickedpuppy: No, if there is any DOOM 3 dist that has the linux patch as deafult
[04:20] <wickedpuppy> i am lost ... perhaps others can help ya :P
[04:20] <wols_> robin: ask id games or activision. we don't know
[04:21] <robin> wols_: ok
[04:24] <michael> erUSUL, it works, thank you a lot
[04:26] <deep__> #ubuntu-se
[04:26] <deep__> sry
[04:29] <Alan-D> How can assign write access to dossier for a group?  Anyone plase
[04:30] <cdavis> I can't seem to figure out how to put mp3 on my ipod via rhtymbox?
[04:30] <cdavis> I can see all the songs on the ipod and even play them on my computer but I cannot seem to be able to add mp3s to the ipod
[04:31] <Overand> !ipod
[04:31] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[04:31] <cdavis> thanks
[04:32] <fyrestrtr> do you need something special on your motherboard to run SLI-enabled cards?
[04:33] <cdavis> I think you need a sli compatible board, is that what you mean?
[04:35] <iratik> The time is wrong on our system
[04:35] <iratik> IT tried /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart
[04:35] <diswill> .
[04:35] <fyrestrtr> yeah, but what is that exactly?
[04:35] <iratik> but didn't work
[04:36] <finalbeta> iratik, you have a dell laptop?
[04:36] <iratik> no, acer laptop
[04:36] <finalbeta> ke, because a bug was posted ubuntu corrupted the HW clock on dells
[04:36] <iratik> I'm not sure whether to set it to UTC or CDT - but either way - there are date issues all over the place with time
[04:36] <nek_> espaol?
[04:36] <iratik> mysql time seems off
[04:36] <lupine_85> !es
[04:36] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:36] <nek_> thk
[04:37] <iratik> So, there must be a command that resyncs the clock (initially I believe I chose UTC, so I would try to reset it to UTC)
[04:37] <iratik> strangely, I can't find any documentation on actually reseting the clock
[04:37] <iratik> only documentation on not reseting the clock to UTC (which is exactly what I want to do)
[04:38] <TimothyP> Hi, does anybody know if it's possible to use a Storageworks Ultrium 448 on ubuntu ?
[04:38] <iratik> So --   I know there has gotta be someone who knows how to do this - reset the clock to UTC?
[04:38] <wols_> iratik: /etc/default/rcS
[04:39] <iratik> command not found
[04:39] <iratik> i'm on dapper
[04:39] <wols_> iratik: it's a file. edit it
[04:39] <iratik> quoi
[04:39] <wols_> pardon?
[04:39] <Jack_Sparrow> iratik: How about right click on clock and go to preferences?
[04:40] <txoof_> what is the metapackage that will install gnome and all that goes with it?
[04:40] <iratik> I'm on a server, not a gui
[04:40] <ITS_FOR_REAL> need a archive/compression program that can make split size files in rar or zip. preferable easy install and gui.
[04:40] <wols_> txoof_: ubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <iratik> And wols_ I hope those aren't the same instructions for "How to disable system time/date from being reset to UTC" because thats the exact opposite of what I need to do
[04:41] <CBG> Huzzar!
[04:41] <iratik> I need to reset the system time/date to be reset to UTC
[04:42] <iratik> This can't be that default- there must be something like /etc/init.d/clock resync
[04:43] <iratik> default=difficult
[04:43] <wols_> iratik: you can't simply negate a very easy howto?
[04:43] <txoof_> wols_: thanks.  that's what I was looking for.
[04:44] <iratik> the howto says 3 things 1. backup rcS, 2. set UTC=yes, 3. /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart
[04:44] <wols_> and it clearly follows that if you set UTC=no, then your BIOS is not set to UTC, duh!
[04:44] <iratik> Umm, either way - after following all steps, time is still the saem
[04:44] <wols_> to what is your BIOS set?
[04:44] <iratik> date returns
[04:44] <iratik> Tue Sep 26 09:26:23 CDT 2006
[04:45] <iratik> how do I find out?
[04:45] <wols_> also BIOS clock != system clock
[04:45] <wols_> you find out by looking in your BIOS for example. usually people know
[04:45] <wols_> hwlock however does in a pinch
[04:45] <iratik> I realize that - but unless I shut down the server - (websites go down), i won't be able to get to the bios
[04:45] <plusminus> can someone tell me how to remove/reinstall broken packages? tried to upgrade to efty and now gsfonts-x11 prevents from installing anything
[04:46] <lupine_85> dpkg -r gsfonts-x11 ?
[04:46] <lupine_85> you can then install it again if needed
[04:46] <wols_> plusminus: try apt-get -f install first
[04:46] <plusminus> dpkg -P gsfonts-x1
[04:46] <plusminus> tried all that
[04:46] <wols_> plusminus: paste the error
[04:46] <plusminus> theres a problem in the post--removal
[04:46] <lupine_85> then edit the postrm script?
[04:46] <lupine_85> or --force-something
[04:47] <wols_> iratik: have you found it?
[04:47] <iratik> found what?
[04:47] <wols_> what your BIOS is set to
[04:47] <iratik> I can't see my bios time - or our servers will go down
[04:47] <wols_> and yes, I told you how to look
[04:47] <wols_> even when not inside bios
[04:47] <iratik> hwclock is a command?
[04:47] <davidwinter> hi all
[04:47] <{Phoinix}> yo
[04:47] <davidwinter> is there anywhere I can find out a schedule for when apache 2.2 will be available via apt?
[04:47] <wols_> iratik: no it's apple pie
[04:48] <wols_> davidwinter: WIR I guess
[04:48] <davidwinter> WIR?
[04:48] <Jack_Sparrow> man hwclock is also a command
[04:48] <wols_> when it's ready
[04:48] <wols_> Jack_Sparrow: that would be too advanced for a server admin
[04:48] <davidwinter> ah
[04:48] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[04:48] <lupine_85> ;)
[04:49] <wols_> iratik: sudo hwclock --show
[04:49] <plusminus> oops srry wols_  for spamming
[04:49] <plusminus> i use pastebin
[04:49] <diswill> would someone be willing to advise me on hardware upgrade? (video)
[04:49] <plusminus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24884
[04:49] <wols_> diswill: never ask to ask
[04:49] <Jack_Sparrow> diswill: the best nvidia card your wllat will allow
[04:49] <Jack_Sparrow> wallet
[04:50] <FirstStrike> diswill: Nvidia is the best bet for linux due to the better drivers over ATI.
[04:50] <{Phoinix}> nvidia rulez
[04:50] <wols_> nvidia totally and utterly sucks
[04:50] <unfknblvbl> whats a good gnome web browser to use that doesn't involve firefox ?
[04:50] <diswill> thanks I have a 3dfx voodo 3 3000 should I do anything to x before I replace the hardward I am using Kubuntu
[04:50] <lupine_85> not as much as ati ;)
[04:50] <ITS_FOR_REAL> wols_,  not in linux.
[04:50] <Jack_Sparrow> wols_: Says the guy that just spent way too much for his ATI
[04:51] <FirstStrike> Um..first, make sure your motherboard will support it diswill.
[04:51] <wols_> ITS_FOR_REAL: it does. cause there is NO way to use open drivers with 3D. none
[04:51] <unfknblvbl> !browser
[04:51] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK), Opera (Qt), Konqueror (KDE/Qt), Links (terminal-based). HTTP servers: apache2
[04:51] <lupine_85> diswill: modify your xorg.conf to use the nv or vesa driver
[04:51] <CBG> Ok, can Kubuntu or Ubuntu be run in vmware?
[04:51] <wols_> Jack_Sparrow: I never ever bought an ati card. my last 3 were all nvidia
[04:51] <unfknblvbl> >.<
[04:51] <lupine_85> yep
[04:51] <wols_> CBG: yes
[04:51] <FirstStrike> diswill: If it's an old PC you might not have a PCI or PCI-E slot.
[04:51] <lupine_85> AGP++
[04:51] <plusminus> wols_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24884 after having tried dpkg -P --force-all gsfonts-x11 etc.etc.
[04:51] <diswill> I do have a pci
[04:51] <diswill> and agp
[04:51] <FirstStrike> No PCI-E?
[04:52] <ITS_FOR_REAL> prob not on a agp board.
[04:52] <FirstStrike> If you only have PCI and AGP then go for an AGP card.
[04:52] <Jack_Sparrow> diswill:  go with the Nvidia AGP card
[04:52] <lupine_85> nah, go for a PCI-E card and a new mobo ;)
[04:52] <wols_> plusminus: as someone already said: your post removal script is fubar. you need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gsfonts-x11.postrm
[04:52] <FirstStrike> You should be able to find a pretty decent price on a 7800 or 7900.
[04:53] <wols_> diswill: how much money do you want to spend?
[04:53] <diswill> ok should I just drop the card in? will it auto configure?
[04:53] <wols_> diswill: and what cpu do you currently have?
[04:53] <Jack_Sparrow> lupine_85: We are not all trust fund babies..
[04:53] <FirstStrike> You'll need to install the newest nvidia drivers.
[04:53] <diswill> amd xp 1700+ cpu
[04:53] <plusminus> wols_, good news i dont need to build the package myself
[04:53] <FirstStrike> !nvidia
[04:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:53] <wols_> diswill: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change to vesa. then drop it in and reconfigure your X again to the new card
[04:54] <wols_> diswill: and what budget do you want to allocate for the card?
[04:54] <diswill> the sudo reconfigure is what I was looking for thanks
[04:54] <Jack_Sparrow> lupine_85: You know I was kidding... I hope
[04:54] <lupine_85> yep :)
[04:54] <diswill> 500 to 900 dollars
[04:54] <lupine_85> phwoar
[04:54] <Jack_Sparrow> pci-e
[04:54] <lupine_85> *someone* is a trust fund baby ;)
[04:55] <diswill> no just a old fart
[04:55] <lupine_85> mind you, I could blow that on just the graphics card
[04:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Update the MB
[04:55] <wols_> diswill: that's about 400-800 dollars too much for your CPU. if you want to really spend that amount of money, get a new mobo and CPU as Jack_Sparrow said
[04:55] <lupine_85> get quad opterons ;)
[04:55] <Jack_Sparrow> OLd fart here as well
[04:55] <lupine_85> (ok, maybe not)
[04:55] <wols_> diswill: if you buy a very expensive videocard now, your CPU will be to slow to actually fully use it
[04:55] <diswill> mb and processor is later
[04:55] <stofferdk> Hi there. I recently installed ubuntu on my second computer. Now, I connceted my miniHDD via USB to it, and ubuntu says I dont have write rights to it - why? (windows works)
[04:55] <FirstStrike> diswill: Get a Geforce 7950 dual GPU 1 gb card >:P
[04:55] <Jack_Sparrow> stofferdk: What format is the drive?
[04:56] <gilesw> hey gang
[04:56] <Jack_Sparrow> stofferdk: My guess.. ntfs
[04:56] <plusminus> wols_, thx -  postinstall was broken as well btw
[04:56] <jhasse> Why hotkeys don't work while playing bzflag?
[04:56] <wols_> diswill: then save up and buy all at once. if you buy a new CPU and mobo you WILL want a PCI-E one, trust me there. also if you upgrade cpu+mobo you must also upgrade your RAM to DDR2
[04:56] <stofferdk> The mini HDD is not mine, so I dont know - and I think my comp is NTFS
[04:56] <ITS_FOR_REAL> diswill, to invest that kind of money into a agp card is waste of money. buy a cheaper card or its time for new mobo really with pci-e
[04:56] <wols_> stofferdk: if it's ntfs, ubuntu cannot write to it, period
[04:56] <SportChick> Hi everyone. I am running xubuntu on vmware.  Really am a total n00b.  It has been recommended that I install kde.  Can that be installed with xubuntu?
[04:56] <stofferdk> So, I am just stuck?
[04:57] <lupine_85> !ntfs3g
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <lupine_85> bah
[04:57] <wols_> SportChick: install kubuntu-desktop. however kde needs more ram than your xubuntu
[04:57] <lupine_85> there is a way to write to it, but there's a fair chance of killing your fs
[04:57] <Jack_Sparrow> !ntfs-3g
[04:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[04:57] <lupine_85> smarter would be VMWare+XP
[04:57] <shadukan> hello guys...tried the howto install ATI drivers but didn't had any succes
[04:57] <SportChick> wols_: I have a total of 2gb ram on my laptop. Do you think that's enough?
[04:57] <Jack_Sparrow> lupine_85: I am starting to change my mind on 3g...
[04:57] <plusminus> !ntfs
[04:57] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[04:57] <diswill> yes it is time to change the mb I agree I just am afraid to trash system.
[04:57] <wols_> SportChick: 512MB for the vmware session is fine
[04:58] <gilesw> oh lupine_85 are you the guy that created the beryl repo?
[04:58] <shadukan> to mount automatically partitions simply edit /etc/fstab
[04:58] <lupine_85> gilesw: no :)
[04:58] <gilesw> oh
[04:58] <wols_> diswill: no worries. Windows needs a reinstall, Ubuntu is far more forgiving with such things. so no problem there
[04:58] <gilesw> heh
[04:58] <lupine_85> I mirror the i386 one and upload the amd64 one
[04:58] <lupine_85> amaranth does the creative stuff
[04:58] <SportChick> wols_: ty. Is there anything I should know about installing kubuntu to use with vmware?
[04:58] <`Evil> can someone help me please with x11-common ? i cannot upgrade it and it brokes all updates
[04:58] <wols_> diswill: can you wait til around january? if so, get a cheaper conroe cpu, a mobo and a DX10 videocard
[04:58] <gilesw> i'm using the amd64 one
[04:58] <Jack_Sparrow> diswill: In that case go with a cost effective nvidia card and hold back the big bucks for later
[04:58] <gilesw> it's great
[04:58] <SportChick> and do I need to uninstall xubuntu after?
[04:58] <lupine_85> ah, that's me then :)
[04:58] <wols_> SportChick: not different than xubuntu
[04:58] <gilesw> really impressed with it
[04:59] <lupine_85> cool :)
[04:59] <wols_> SportChick: no you don't. you can have both installed
[04:59] <lupine_85> teh honour!!!!
[04:59] <SportChick> wols_: hehe, someone held my hand while I installed a "ready-to-run" xubuntu version
[04:59] <wols_> gilesw: wait til you want to display flash :)
[04:59] <gilesw> first time xcellerated has just worked
[04:59] <lupine_85> ...on amd64...?
[04:59] <gilesw> ya
[04:59] <Jack_Sparrow> `Evil: I must ask... Have you run scripts like Automatix, (NOT recommending that you do.) to install anything?
[04:59] <lupine_85> (@wols_)
[04:59] <gilesw> for me at least
[05:00] <lupine_85> glad it worked for you, anyway
[05:00] <`Evil> no Jack_Sparrow
[05:00] <diswill> thanks for the hints I will be doing a full upgrade of hardward somewhere around feb or so untill then I just wanted to play with the video.
[05:00] <gilesw> i was reading that there's a good open source flash player now
[05:00] <gilesw> for 64bit
[05:00] <wols_> lupine_85: well then he won't praise amd64 linux anymore... amd64 is nOT worth it currently unless you have >4GB RAM
[05:00] <gilesw> i don't agree
[05:00] <egon_spengler> gilesw: You mean GNASH?
[05:00] <lupine_85> in your opinion, maybe
[05:00] <gilesw> ya
[05:01] <gilesw> is it any good egon_spengler ?
[05:01] <wols_> diswill: then buy a cheap videocard if you really must. what do you need the new card for?
[05:01] <wols_> lupine_85: so how is amd64 better?
[05:01] <egon_spengler> gilesw: Well, suffice it to say I have many gnash-error.log in my home directory
[05:01] <gilesw> heh
[05:01] <lupine_85> it has 32 bits more ;)
[05:01] <lupine_85> I'm not getting into an argument about it. personal preference
[05:01] <wols_> lupine_85: that's not an argument that's just blabberling
[05:01] <gilesw> i will be using some 64bit optimized apps
[05:01] <wols_> lupine_85: why is it better?
[05:01] <lupine_85> *sigh*
[05:02] <gilesw> for video and audio
[05:02] <lupine_85> plonk
[05:02] <diswill> video is very jerky with tux cart and I can't use flight sim. thought I would try video first since it was the oldest part in the system.
[05:02] <wols_> lupine_85: please give me an argument, nothing with ";)" at the end
[05:02] <Blissex> diswill: unless you have a card whose driver support accelerated 3D, bad news.
[05:02] <wols_> gilesw at least did
[05:02] <SportChick> wols_: are you aware of any "ready to run" versions of kubuntu for vmware?
[05:02] <gilesw> actually lupe my only annoyance with my system running beryl is a bit of banding when i run fullscreen xvid
[05:02] <wols_> SportChick: no
[05:03] <SportChick> oi
[05:03] <gilesw> it doesn't happen when i run the normal window manager
[05:03] <gilesw> it's strange really because i have a monster 7800 card and a x2 with 1gig ram
[05:03] <diswill> I thought the 3dfx card was just old (guess I was wrong)
[05:03] <wols_> diswill: what's the res you want to run it at?
[05:03] <wols_> SportChick: just install kubuntu in your current vmware session
[05:04] <diswill> 1600x1200 75 hz
[05:04] <SportChick> wols_: yes, that's what I don't know how to do :p
[05:04] <wols_> diswill: your cpu will never be able to do that
[05:04] <wols_> SportChick: run synaptic
[05:04] <gilesw> i've been trying to get the hacked madwifi driver to compile for airsnort-ng
[05:04] <wols_> diswill: why that high?
[05:04] <diswill> guess I will have to wait for the mb then.
[05:04] <gilesw> so i can crack my neighbours wep
[05:04] <gilesw> just for fun
[05:05] <ubunter> hi. how to transform xubuntu into kubuntu?
[05:05] <lupine_85> heh
[05:05] <lupine_85> wep--
[05:05] <rodneyk> Does anyone know if there is a postfix > 2.2.10 in dapper backports, or know the easiest way to install postfix-2.3.3 on dapper so i can implement smtp-auth with dovecot?
[05:05] <lupine_85> !info dapper edgy
[05:05] <ubotu> Package dapper does not exist in edgy
[05:05] <KenSentMe> ubunter: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:05] <lupine_85> bah
[05:05] <gilesw> i get my broadband free with the house anyways
[05:05] <lupine_85> !info postfix edgy
[05:05] <ubotu> postfix: A high-performance mail transport agent. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.3-1 (edgy), package size 1041 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[05:05] <lupine_85> !info postfix dapper
[05:05] <ubotu> postfix: A high-performance mail transport agent. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.10-1ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 901 kB, installed size 2172 kB
[05:06] <rodneyk> coool, first time here
[05:06] <gilesw> i thought exim was the standard on .deb based
[05:06] <Canopus> Hi everyone
[05:06] <lupine_85> it's in edgy, if you want to risk it for a biscuit
[05:06] <lupine_85> exim++
[05:06] <rodneyk> hmm, not really, how stable is edgy right now
[05:06] <lupine_85> but I don't know how to configure it ;)
[05:06] <lupine_85> not very
[05:06] <Canopus> i want to create a desktop launcher of a shell script
[05:06] <rodneyk> right
[05:06] <lupine_85> you could build from source
[05:06] <wols_> rodneyk: do your own simple backport of it
[05:06] <rodneyk> yeah i figured i would have to
[05:06] <elddik> ulfar: sorry was away. the connection to my box loses network once in a while. however ,others can access webservices on that machine, when i can't
[05:07] <Canopus> i have created one but it does not execute ... only way is to run it in a terminal
[05:07] <gilesw> hey lupe is there much point in compiling your own kernel on ubuntu ?
[05:07] <ubunter> KenSentMe - thanks. over 200 mega to download :/
[05:07] <lupine_85> erm, depends
[05:07] <Canopus> any advice on how to create a working launcher/shortcut?
[05:07] <wols_> Canopus: what is the first line of the script?
[05:07] <lupine_85> if "just for fun", then probably not - although startup time++
[05:07] <lupine_85> but then, do you need a point if it's just for fun? ;)
[05:07] <Canopus> #!/bin/sh
[05:08] <gilesw> as it is with that nvidia driver and madwifi i'm getting stuck on a kernel version anyways
[05:08] <lupine_85> Canopus: use the .desktop format
[05:08] <stofferdk> I looked up the NTFS write driver you linked to - but I recently installed linux, I have no idea whatsoever how to install it.
[05:08] <wols_> Canopus: should be ok. then. try to start it with "/bin/sh script" in the shortcut then
[05:08] <ITS_FOR_REAL> so again... wanna make rar with split size files. rar doesnt work. ark just stands workning on something in a 100 year no error mess or logfaults.  file roller cant split. gzip cant make split rar files... GRRR :(
[05:08] <Jay_Levitt> Anyone here used fcgid with apache?
[05:08] <Juhaz> Canopus, if it's +x and has the correct #! line, it should just work like any other app
[05:08] <gilesw> i'm pretty novice on a .deb based distro
[05:08] <Canopus> it doesn't ... that's the problem
[05:09] <wols_> gilesw: you need to install kernel headers for your kernel then
[05:09] <gilesw> keep wanting to do a rpm -q or a yum search
[05:09] <Canopus> lupine_85: .desktop format ... that i am not familiar with
[05:09] <lupine_85> google for it
[05:09] <gilesw> can't i just go for vanilla off kernel.org?
[05:09] <lupine_85> or just look at an existing .desktop file to get the details
[05:09] <gilesw> or will that break ubuntu?
[05:09] <lupine_85> gilesw: you can
[05:09] <lupine_85> I did :)
[05:09] <krazykit> gilesw: you can, but i recommend using ck patches
[05:09] <lupine_85> not "the ubuntu way" though
[05:09] <gilesw> lols
[05:09] <lupine_85> lulz0rz
[05:10] <wols_> gilesw: if you know what you're doing it's possible
[05:10] <krazykit> gilesw, lupine_85: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
[05:10] <gilesw> i've done it many time  on other distros
[05:10] <lupine_85> you could even use 2.6.18 :)
[05:10] <gilesw> k i'll have a look
[05:10] <lupine_85> cutting edge++
[05:10] <iturk> hi there i have a problem with my wireless !! i have to connect to an access point that request for password and user so it means that its closed !! Which software should i download in order to be able to give this two parameters when connection to a closed access point ??
[05:10] <ubunter> I thought that xubuntu would be like utorrent on Windows - very small but also very functional. xubuntu was albo very small :D
[05:10] <krazykit> gilesw: just make sure to have the sources for wireless ;-)
[05:10] <elddik> hi, i'm losing network connection to my ubuntu server from the machine thats my ssh client. is this a known issue?
[05:10] <wols_> gilesw: you can also apt-get the ubuntu kernel source and work with that (using kernel-package)
[05:11] <gilesw> righty
[05:11] <erUSUL> lupine_85: i use 2.6.18 ;) (all the rc's and now final)
[05:11] <erUSUL> iturk: does the ap use wpa or wep or other access method? try with network-manager
[05:11] <gilesw> the main thing i'm struggling with is sound
[05:12] <gilesw> the mixer that comes with ubuntu seems cack
[05:12] <gilesw> i've been trying to find this envycontrol24
[05:12] <lupine_85> alsamixer ?
[05:12] <gilesw> but it seems to have disappeared off the planet
[05:13] <txoof_> the default user that I used during setup is receiving status emails; where is this configured?  I searched in /etc/ but couldn't find anything.
[05:13] <gilesw> volume control for gnome it's called
[05:13] <iturk> erUSUL: wpa
[05:13] <gilesw> i've got an ice based card
[05:13] <iturk> it request for user and password
[05:13] <gilesw> has digital and analogue out
[05:13] <wols_> txoof_: waht MTA?
[05:14] <gilesw> apt-get install alsamixer
[05:14] <gilesw> no joy
[05:14] <lupine_85> it's already in
[05:14] <lupine_85> console
[05:14] <txoof_> wols_: I have no idea.
[05:14] <gilesw> says couldn't find package
[05:14] <gilesw> i've enabled all the repos
[05:15] <lupine_85> it's in alsa-utils I think
[05:15] <lupine_85> you've already got it on your PC
[05:15] <gilesw> ahh
[05:15] <gilesw> quality
[05:15] <lupine_85> :)
[05:15] <gilesw> i've got a feeling that these are the last days of windows on my desktop
[05:16] <erUSUL> iturk: as i said try with network-manager
[05:16] <erUSUL> !wpa
[05:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:16] <gilesw> i try desktop linux each year lol
[05:16] <erUSUL> !wpa > iturk
[05:16] <krazykit> gilesw: hurrah.  i've been windows free on 2 machines for a year now
[05:16] <hydro> hello all ... I just got Dapper Drake installed and its been fun so far. However, I have Googled around to try and find out what to do in order to be able to play movies on commercial DVDs with a DVD drive attached to my laptop running Dapper Drake. Anyone with suggestions?
[05:16] <gilesw> i was going to go mac
[05:17] <lupine_85> !dvd
[05:17] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:17] <gilesw> but alxgl just looks so good
[05:17] <lupine_85> hehe
[05:17] <lupine_85> beryl is pretty
[05:17] <gilesw> fact is i'd be using open source apps on mac
[05:17] <gilesw> so whats the point
[05:17] <hydro> thanks ubotu
[05:18] <gilesw> the only thing i'll miss is photoshop and cubase
[05:18] <wols_> hydro: libdvdcss
[05:18] <gilesw> i'll probably keep a windows install just for creative stuff
[05:18] <wols_> doh. too lsow :)
[05:18] <hydro> thanks wols_
[05:18] <hydro> hey wols_ is Jack gone now?
[05:19] <kuzavas> hello
[05:19] <wols_> long gone. trolls stop when they are ignored (or banned). which is why you should have ignored him
[05:19] <b^j> this morning when i booted my laptop and tried to switch to a virtual console i just get another gdm session and i can't switch back to my old gdm session.  any ideas what is up with this?
[05:20] <kuzavas> i've booted the most recent daily eft dvd
[05:20] <gilesw> is there a gui app for alsamixer?
[05:20] <kuzavas> and i've encountered a few problems already
[05:20] <lupine_85> gilesw: not really
[05:20] <lupine_85> it's just a mixer
[05:20] <b^j> i am running an up to date dapper install
[05:20] <gilesw> hrm thats a bit crap
[05:21] <dbzdeath> does anyone know how i can extract this? http://www.files.bz/files/9309/Mythtv/mplayer_coreavc.patch.20060413.bz2 i tried it with tar -xjvvf but it failed with "tar: This does not look like a tar archive"
[05:21] <lupine_85> bunzip2 <file>
[05:21] <hydro> wols_ thanks for the lesson ... next time I will be more wary of tollers. Why, though, do people troll like that?
[05:21] <kuzavas> is here someone who is responsible for developing or smth
[05:21] <b^j> the curses one is good enough for me
[05:21] <gilesw> i like to swap between analog and digital
[05:21] <lupine_85> it's not a tar file
[05:21] <wols_> gilesw: alsamixergui perhaps?
[05:21] <wols_> kuzavas: wrong channel #ubuntu+1
[05:21] <Sprafa> so
[05:21] <supermiguel> does any one know what this mean "configure FTP user to be "jailed" (chrooted) into their home directory"
[05:21] <gilesw> doesn't tab
[05:22] <b^j> dbzdeath, try just a bunzip2
[05:22] <Sprafa> i'm trying to set up ubuntu right
[05:22] <Sprafa> can anyone lend a hand on how to get internet running on it
[05:22] <Sprafa> modems*
[05:22] <wols_> supermiguel: it means the ftp user can't access files outside their home directory. which is how it should be with ftp
[05:22] <b^j> supermiguel, that tries to prevent ftp users from getting outside of their home
[05:22] <gilesw> ahh joy beans
[05:22] <dbzdeath> b^j: ahh thanks
[05:22] <Sprafa> i've ran scanModen
[05:22] <gilesw> apt-get install alsamixergui :)
[05:22] <lupine_85> !alsamixergui
[05:22] <ubotu> alsamixergui: graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver. In component universe, is optional.  comes up as an error in Nero when I try to burn ubuntu.   should I choose ignore or correct? what should the block size be?
[05:23] <wols_> Sprafa: what modem is it? a winmodem?
[05:23] <b^j> and gdm is in its place
[05:23] <Sprafa> yes, winmodem
[05:23] <strav> I know this is not quite the right chan, vmware people are actually sleeping. But could anyone provide help setting the sound device as sound blaster live in vmplayer, I'm currently running xp as a guest os and... would like to enable sound. Actually my sound dev in my .vmx file is: sound.virtualdev = "sb16", I don't either know if that should be sufficient or...
[05:23] <Sprafa> i'm reaing a lot on it, but godamn it's quite hard
[05:23] <Faithen> Hullo again!
[05:23] <wols_> Sprafa: unlikely it will work under linux. get a real modem
[05:23] <gilesw> i still have a lot to learn about integrating my preferred apps into the desktop..
[05:23] <Sprafa> D:
[05:24] <Sprafa> what happened to linux for human beings D:
[05:24] <gilesw> lols
[05:24] <Faithen> I have one quick question, how do i run with x server disabled?
[05:24] <supermiguel> there is any way to get the original proftpd.conf?
[05:24] <Sprafa> so i should get a full hardware modem ?
[05:24] <Faithen> I need to install some drivers
[05:24] <Sprafa> aren't they rare as shit D:
[05:24] <wols_> Sprafa: yes. ideally a serially attached external modem
[05:24] <wols_> Sprafa: no they aren't
[05:24] <b^j> Sprafa, there is some support for winmodems, but a hardware one will be your best bet
[05:24] <carlp> hello... "the entered block size......do you want to correct?" comes up as an error in Nero when I try to burn ubuntu.   should I choose ignore or correct? what should the block size be?  any ideas?
[05:25] <LjL> Sprafa: which winmodem?
[05:25] <wols_> Faithen: /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[05:25] <wols_> carlp: is there a cue file?
[05:25] <Faithen> Thank you, do I need to sudo that command?
[05:25] <Sprafa> Alcatel Speedtouch USB ASDL
[05:25] <Arrick> Hi guys and gals, how do I turn of the blasted screen saver in ubuntu breezy?
[05:25] <carlp> wols_: no
[05:25] <wols_> carlp: on data CDs usually it'S 2048
[05:25] <wols_> carlp: what is the extension fo the file you want to burn? and how do you burn it?
[05:25] <LjL> wols_: hey, someone who's actually telling people to use the "?dm start/stop" thing... i thought i'd never caught up =)
[05:26] <carlp> wols_:   .iso
[05:26] <gilesw> system prefs screen
[05:26] <Faithen> I suppose i will be back
[05:26] <carlp> i burn it with nero.. "burn image to disk"
[05:26] <Faithen> either with praise in precise directions, or pleas of further advice apon failure
[05:26] <supermiguel> there is any way to get the original proftd.conf
[05:27] <Sprafa> so... best bet is get a bloody router or something like that
[05:27] <Sprafa> meh
[05:27] <carlp> can somebody send me the .cue ?
[05:27] <LjL> Sprafa: http://www.linux.com/howtos/DSL-HOWTO/speedtouchusb.shtml
[05:27] <Sprafa> oh snap!
[05:27] <Arrick> thank you gilesw
[05:27] <Sprafa> OMG
[05:27] <Sprafa> linux drivers!!
[05:27] <wols_> carlp: iso files usually don't have them. and they use 2048bytes/persoct which nero should be fine with
[05:27] <gilesw> yay i helped someone and it's only my second day of bunty
[05:27] <Sprafa> wow LjL !
[05:27] <Sprafa> you rock!
[05:27] <Sprafa> :D
[05:27] <wols_> carlp: mount it in daemon-tools and do a disck copy
[05:27] <carlp> ok
[05:28] <wols_> Sprafa: that's no winmodem you have
[05:28] <Sprafa> that's not a winmodem ?
[05:28] <Sprafa> D: ?
[05:28] <Sprafa> the ubuntu wiki lists anything over USB as winmodems
[05:28] <wols_> Sprafa: dialup modems are winmodems sometimes
[05:29] <wols_> well, usb dsl modems are shitty, yes, but not really winmodems
[05:29] <LjL> Sprafa: however, i can see the Speedtouch driver packaged in the repositories for Warty, Hoary and Breezy, but not Dapper
[05:29] <carlp> also, when i put in the cd/mount it in daemon...   the splash screen comes up and then goes away, nothing happens, is that supposed to happen?
[05:29] <Sprafa> as i said, i'm a noob setting up linux in preparation for possibly a new PC running full ubuntu
[05:29] <wols_> LjL: could be in the kernel by now
[05:29] <Sprafa> hmhm
[05:29] <Faithen> wols_: Sorry, forgot to copy and paste the command line, quick repeat?
[05:29] <Sprafa> Dapper noes :(
[05:29] <wols_> Faithen: /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[05:29] <wols_> ? depends on what kind of displaymanager you run
[05:30] <wols_> and you need to log out of X of course
[05:30] <ubunter> how to install foobar2000 using wine?
[05:30] <krazykit> wols_: actually, stopping gdm/kdm will log you out of x
[05:30] <LjL> Sprafa: here's some Ubuntu tutorial as well http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[05:30] <Sprafa> yay!
[05:30] <Faithen> it didn't log me out of x server
[05:30] <Sprafa> you sexy men
[05:30] <Faithen> evidently
[05:30] <Faithen> well lets log out
[05:30] <krazykit> ubunter: wine foobarsetup.exe or whatever it's called.  though you should use a native player, like amarok
[05:30] <gilesw> ubuntustudio.com - rocking!
[05:31] <Sprafa> i was just looking for <modem> in the ubuntu support
[05:31] <Sprafa> i didn't expect there to be drivers
[05:31] <LjL> Sprafa: and here's the dapper tutorial from the ubuntu help site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbAdslModem/SpeedTouch
[05:32] <Sprafa> i love you guys D:
[05:32] <Arcad3> hi all
[05:32] <ubunter> how to install foobar under wine: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=24&t=6349&hl=wine