[10:13] <bob2> yay for trolling
[10:13] <joh_> hi
[10:13] <LucaBrasi> yay for another distro that can't even install
[10:13] <AndyFitz> mod -1 troll  lol
[10:13] <joh_> Is there any tips&tricks for installing php5 on warty?
[10:14] <bob2> LucaBrasi: it installed fine, your hardware was broken
[10:14] <AndyFitz> your problem is fair enough mate.
[10:14] <bob2> LucaBrasi: install it without the kvm in the way and see if it works
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> anyone ran 3d desktop in Ubuntu?
[10:14] <LucaBrasi> I rebooted it without the kvm anywhere .. it's not the kvm
[10:14] <AndyFitz> RuffianSoldier:  yes but not for long
[10:14] <AndyFitz> gets annoying
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> hmm
[10:14] <bob2> LucaBrasi: it doesn't magically resetup X after a reboot
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> im hacking trouble
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> AndyFitz - how do I enable graphics accelleration?
[10:15] <LucaBrasi> bob2 why would it need to?
[10:15] <AndyFitz> what card do you have  ?
[10:15] <bob2> LucaBrasi: because your hardware was preventing it from finding out anything!
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> AndyFitz - currently VIA Onboard
[10:16] <LucaBrasi> bob2 hmm ..funny. Why didn't windows have any problems with it?
[10:17] <LucaBrasi> windows even automatically enabled some sort of wheel scrolling function ... to enhance the mouse while its connected to the kvm, lol
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> bbiab - dogwalk
[10:17] <LucaBrasi> and ubuntu won't even load ... because it's ..confused??
[10:17] <AndyFitz> lucabrasi, winging won't help you.  your problem is valid but your attitude is irritating .  take it easy mate
[10:18] <bob2> LucaBrasi: you're welcome to find a bug so it can be fixed
[10:18] <AndyFitz> file a bug, accept that your hardware is being the fun-police and go back to windows
[10:18] <LucaBrasi> nah that's ok .. I'll just go find a distro where others find and fix bugs ;-)
[10:18] <bob2> LucaBrasi: you're also making it unpleasant to try to help you, which only increases the likelyhood of you failing to get it to work
[10:18] <bob2> what a productvie attitude
[10:19] <LucaBrasi> err
[10:19] <LucaBrasi> what am I supposed to be doing .. dancing ?
[10:19] <LucaBrasi> took me half a day to get this all (hardware) put together and up and running
[10:19] <AndyFitz> not sending useless bytes of irrelevant text into my chat window for one
[10:20] <LucaBrasi> everything installs without a single problem or error ..then ubuntu turns into a black hole. No errors, nothing logged .. nice eh? Brand spanking new.
[10:20] <AndyFitz> ruffian:  I'm not sure if there are packages for vai hardware,  is that the chipset it uses ?
[10:20] <AndyFitz>  have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[10:20] <bob2> LucaBrasi: nothing logged at all? nothig in /var/local/XFree86.0.log, at *all*?
[10:20] <AndyFitz> fglrx-drivers  if its ati based
[10:20] <bob2> fabbione: daniels how does one get the X probe magic to run again?
[10:21] <ogra> bob2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:21] <ogra> bob2: moring....
[10:21] <bob2> ogra: sure that works?
[10:21] <ogra> bob2:err evening
[10:21] <ogra> bob2: yep, in warty from the terminal
[10:22] <LucaBrasi> dont even have a /var/local
[10:22] <bob2> ogra: to rerun xresprobe, etc?
[10:22] <bob2> LucaBrasi: er, /var/log
[10:22] <ogra> bob2: if you need more options: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[10:22] <ogra> bob2: nope, it is a Q/A dialog, filled with the detected values.....
[10:22] <LucaBrasi> dont have a Xfree86 log
[10:23] <bob2> yeah, trying to get the probe stuff to run again
[10:24] <ogra> bob2: i'm not sure if this is possible after installation, its probably done in the first stage of install.....
[10:24] <bob2> it's done in the second stage
[10:24] <ogra> bob2: ah, ok...
[10:25] <bob2> you can watch it download xresprobe after the user questions
[10:27] <etorix> ok .. gota sane screen-res at last
[10:28] <ogra> bob2: hmm, apt-cache rdepends xresprobe shows only xfree, so there must be some magic inside xfree.....
[10:28] <bob2> hmm, clever
[10:28] <etorix> wot a pita
[10:29] <bob2> ah, xserver-{xorg,xfree86}'s postinst calls it
[10:29] <ironwolf> where's the printer install how-to?  Installing a new printer via the menu's in Hoary/Printing seems to detect a printer, but printing the test page doesn't work.  Where do I look?
[10:30] <ogra> bob2: but i doubt a reinstall would help.....there is a md5 checksum anywhere that prevernts the config from being redone....
[10:30] <bob2> ogra: the magic of 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; apt-get install xserver-org' :)
[10:31] <ogra> bob2: hoary....
[10:31] <ogra> bob2: i think you need to delete /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum before .....
[10:32] <bob2> even after purging it?
[10:32] <ogra> bob2: not sure, try it :)
[10:33] <ogra> bob2: i know that no xconfig tool rewrites the file if XF86Config-4.md5sum is there, but i dunno if purge deletes it....
[10:35] <RuffianSoldier> gdm flexiserver xnest is fun :-D
[10:37] <cef> I'm interested in recording some video.. any recommended tools and formats that are supported by ubuntu natively?
[10:37] <bob2> ogg theora!
[10:38] <ironwolf> printing anyone?  Where do I look?
[10:38] <cef> bob2: was thinking that.. is that pretty standard? last I heard (a while ago) the video format itself was changing
[10:38] <Blackwell> cef: i suggest to start looking for the right tool instead of the right format.
[10:39] <Blackwell> the right tool will dictact the formats.
[10:39] <Blackwell> it would also dictact the right OS, but you have chosen yours already.
[10:39] <ultrafunk> cef: ripping or recording?
[10:39] <cef> Blackwell: perhaps.. the main issue really though is that i want the video to be viewable under linux
[10:39] <bob2> mpeg-2 is ok, too, iirc
[10:39] <Blackwell> dictate, rather
[10:39] <cef> ultrafunk: recording
[10:40] <bob2> Blackwell: in an ideal world, but his choices are limited initially by external factors (ie government-dictated rules about which formats he can use)
[10:40] <Blackwell> bob2: oh. did he mention those?
[10:40] <cef> and since ubuntu doesn't contain any copyrighted codecs.. makes sense to ask what can be easily recorded to and played back from
[10:41] <bob2> s/copyrighted codec/codecs infringing on actively enforced patents/ :)
[10:41] <Blackwell> cef: any format you pick is a useless pick if you don't find tools to deal with that format, is what i mean.
[10:41] <cef> bob2: whatever..
[10:41] <ultrafunk> cef: theora/ogg vorbis is a good choice, would work with something like gst-record (or Cupid, as it's now being called) and is generally playable with the tools shipping with Hoary at reasonable speed
[10:42] <ultrafunk> (or warty, if you use my gstreamer repository)
[10:42] <tuxJr_14> hi
[10:42] <cef> Blackwell: well the video is all cut.. all I need to do is convert it from video in to an actual data stream
[10:42] <Blackwell> cef: ah, i see. i thought you need to do recording and cutting.
[10:42] <Blackwell> just conversion and the format choice left then i guess.
[10:42] <cef> well hopefully I get my new lappy soon.. which should make this a lot easier..
[10:42] <bob2> x40!
[10:43] <cef> ultrafunk: LUV meeting videos btw. *grin* ..
[10:43] <etorix> hmm .. wonder if LiVES builds on here
[10:43] <cef> bob2: getting an amd64 lappy.. *grin*
[10:43] <LucaBrasi> anyone got any ideas where to look to find out why the fuck a fresh new install just loads a black screen instead of x
[10:43] <bob2> bastard!
[10:43] <bob2> LucaBrasi: we went through this
[10:43] <cef> bob2: *grin* should be fun
[10:43] <bob2> LucaBrasi: run this, 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86'
[10:43] <LucaBrasi> bob2 no you went through how I should reinstall it .. you must work for a big ISP
[10:44] <bob2> cef: work/play/both?
[10:44] <bob2> LucaBrasi: huh?
[10:44] <RuffianSoldier> something is hungry!  You like that memory dont you!
[10:44] <bob2> LucaBrasi: I work for a luverly linux company
[10:44] <cef> bob2: both. work paying.. no hooks. if I left 5 days after they gave it to me, it's still mine
[10:44] <bob2> cef: wow
[10:44] <bob2> nice :)
[10:45] <LucaBrasi> how am I even supposed to run sudo when I dont have a working system
[10:45] <cef> bob2: payback for taking almost 4 weeks out of my life to move the office back in September
[10:45] <LucaBrasi> gezus
[10:45] <bob2> LucaBrasi: ssh in. or switch to a VT.
[10:45] <bob2> cef: ahhhh
[10:45] <melazyboy> Has xorg/fglrx been fixed yet?
[10:45] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - I got a runaway process...... how can I find which process is using this CPU?
[10:46] <etorix> top
[10:46] <etorix> or htop if you got it
[10:47] <cef> bob2: quite a powerhouse of a machine tho.. ATI 9700 Pro, 1 gig ram, 5 x usb2's, 1 x 1394, etc
[10:47] <cef> bob2: and of course, it'll be running ubuntu *grin*
[10:48] <siddharth> question: is there firefox 1.0 for ubuntu available? could not find it in the universe repository....
[10:48] <bob2> LucaBrasi: or boot without X
[10:48] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: 'top'.
[10:48] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - huh?
[10:48] <RuffianSoldier> top?
[10:49] <RuffianSoldier> aaaah
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> cant ssh in cant open a vt
[10:49] <bob2> siddharth: universe is not for random updates to things, it's for unsupported Free software.  firefox is in main, and in hoary is at 1.0 and 0.9.3 in warty.  the warty version will not be upgraded.
[10:49] <bob2> LucaBrasi: why?
[10:49] <bob2> cef: oh man, jeaaalous
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> why? because its a black hoele
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> theres nothing
[10:49] <bob2> LucaBrasi: are you sure it's even booting?
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> of course
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> it loads everything
[10:50] <LucaBrasi> then the screen just goes black
[10:50] <bob2> LucaBrasi: and then reaches X and goes black?
[10:50] <siddharth> thanks bob2. I could not locate it in the normal repository so I waded through universe. How do I upgrade warty to hoary? Any links on that?
[10:50] <LucaBrasi> I dont know if it reaches/opens X but it loads everything before it
[10:50] <bob2> LucaBrasi: ok, boot, and hit esc to get into grub.  hit 'e' on the first menu item, then add 'init=/bin/bash' to the end of the 'kernel options'
[10:50] <bob2> then boot it (b, iirc)
[10:50] <cef> Anyone tried the Belkin VideoBus II under Linux/Ubuntu?
[10:50] <bob2> then you will boot into a terminal, and you can run the command I gave you
[10:51] <bob2> make sure the kvm is not involved
[10:51] <bob2> siddharth: er, haory is the unstable version of ubuntu, and is breaking kinda regularily atm
[10:51] <LucaBrasi> kvm has nothing to do with it
[10:51] <bob2> so you say
[10:51] <LucaBrasi> its linux certified
[10:51] <bob2> but I don't think we have any evidence of that
[10:51] <bob2> but make sure it's not plugged in, just in case
[10:52] <spacey`stage> i cant make screenshots in hoary :p
[10:52] <siddharth> bob2: oops.... Guess I'll wait for the stable version. I gave up being on the bleeding edge some time ago :)
[10:52] <bob2> you can
[10:52] <spacey`stage> The Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly.
[10:52] <spacey`stage> =P
[10:52] <bob2> just not from the menu
[10:52] <RuffianSoldier> Did you enjoy eating that RAM Firefox? YES YOU DID! YES YOU DID!
[10:52] <spacey`stage> i just press print screen
[10:53] <joh_> What is the default admun user and password for zope in warty?
[10:53] <Blackwell> RuffianSoldier: memory leak? how much ram?
[10:53] <RuffianSoldier> well - it was using alot of CPU usage also
[10:53] <RuffianSoldier> thats all I was paying attention to
[10:53] <RuffianSoldier> it was going at the lowest 70%
[10:53] <Blackwell> RuffianSoldier: so you don't know how much ram it used or wether that might indicated a memory leak. ok.
[10:54] <etorix> i want gkrellm
[10:54] <RuffianSoldier> so apt-get it
[10:54] <etorix> dont see it
[10:54] <bob2> it's in universe
[10:54] <spacey`stage> RuffianSoldier, where you viewing a paticular page? i have had some high cpu usage at flash pages
[10:54] <bob2> please read the faq
[10:55] <etorix> Package gkrellm is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:55] <etorix> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:55] <etorix> is only available from another source
[10:55] <etorix> errr: Package gkrellm has no installation candidate
[10:55] <RuffianSoldier> I was viewing a PHP page - but I have been on it for at least 20 mins
[10:55] <RuffianSoldier> it just started acting up
[10:55] <bob2> etorix: yes, it's in universe, please read the faq
[10:56] <etorix> i have universe sources
[10:58] <dmsoulman> does anyone know if the next release of ubuntu will come with openoffice 2.0?
[10:58] <RuffianSoldier> I think there was an RC or Beta of some new version recently :-/
[10:58] <etorix> Search results
[10:58] <etorix>
[10:58] <etorix> No results were found.
[10:58] <dmsoulman> yeah I've been reading about it and I looked at their roadmap and they're thinking March 05
[10:59] <bob2> er, upstream version freeze is long before that
[10:59] <dmsoulman> well I was hoping
[10:59] <bob2> it's up to the RM, but I don't think a month is enough time to beat the bugs out of a .0 release
[10:59] <bob2> it could happen, I guess...
[10:59] <dmsoulman> does offer a lot of great enhancements, would be great for the release if the bugs were worked out
[11:00] <dmsoulman> guess we'll have to see
[11:01] <etorix> apt-cache search gkrellm
[11:01] <etorix> enlightenment-theme-ganymede - cK's Ganymede theme for E
[11:05] <siddharth> question on evolution.... does anyone know how to download all contacts from an LDAP address-book to your local machine?
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> siddharth: why do you need to download
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> you can access it from evolution
[11:07] <siddharth> HrdwrBoB: Correct, I have configured that at my office. I wanted a copy of the addressbook for my home where I do not have access to the LDAP server.
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> tbh the easiest way to do that would be to run an ldap mirror on your machine :)
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> you may be able to do it in evo
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> but I'm not sure how (not at a gui to check atm)
[11:15] <Rohan> how do you tell apt-get to go and meet all dependencies for a package?
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> Rohan: it does automagically
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install foo
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> will get all dependancies for foo
[11:16] <Rohan> thats what i thought.. but sometimes it will say that blabla will not be installed
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> it might be simpyl recommended
[11:17] <ogra> Rohan: so something in your sources.list is wrong, or your package lists are not up to date
[11:17] <ogra> Rohan: what do you try to install ?
[11:17] <Rohan> well im trying to go from sarge to ubuntu
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> haha well yeah
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> you get that
[11:17] <Rohan> and when i try to install ubuntu-base
[11:18] <ogra> Rohan: hmm, there is a official upgrade guide on the wiki
[11:18] <Rohan> yeah i know... i have all the sources
[11:18] <ogra> Rohan: nd removed the sarge sources i hope
[11:18] <Rohan> of course
[11:18] <ogra> hmm
[11:18] <Rohan> it wants to install alsa-base for ubuntu-base
[11:19] <ogra> Rohan: you also did apt-get update ?
[11:19] <Rohan> then it says i need alsa-utils... and i try to meet its dependencies with pciutils.. but it says that it's already installed
[11:19] <Rohan> yeah i did
[11:20] <ogra> Rohan: hmm, pciutils       2.1.11-11
[11:22] <Rohan> hmm
[11:22] <Rohan> i just added in the unstable sources (sid) to see if it would find what it needed there
[11:22] <Rohan> im just assuming that ubuntu is closer to sid than sarge
[11:22] <Rohan> and it seems to be working
[11:23] <ogra> Rohan: thats not good, dont mix ubuntu and debian
[11:24] <etorix>  glxgears
[11:24] <etorix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:24] <etorix> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[11:25] <Rohan> i dont think im mixing perse... since i told it to install ubuntu-base only and it will look for the packages that it needs in the ubuntu branch and the ones that arent there in the sid branch
[11:25] <ogra> Rohan: ubuntu/warty is to old for sid
[11:26] <Rohan> ic
[11:26] <ogra> Rohan: this will certainly break ... if  not now, then on one of the next upgrades
[11:26] <Rohan> well how do i meet the dependencies then
[11:26] <trukulo> hi
[11:27] <ogra> Rohan: seen this ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[11:27] <ogra>  Just trying to switch sources in sources.list will have interesting and undefined results.
[11:28] <ogra> heh
[11:28] <Rohan> hmm
[11:28] <Rohan> how about sid to ubuntu?
[11:28] <ogra> interesting results *g*
[11:28] <ogra> Rohan: you can do sarge to hoary (unstable)
[11:29] <Rohan> im gone to go sarge>sid>hoary
[11:29] <ogra> Rohan: but unstable means unstable ..... its a bit like debian unstable with experimental
[11:29] <ogra> Rohan: drop sid there
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> well it has it's good days :)
[11:29] <Rohan> you sure
[11:29] <Rohan> ?
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> today, has been a bad day
[11:30] <Rohan> it looks like most people have gone from sid>hoary easily
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> I broke my fainces system a few days ago upgrading it to hoary
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> fiance
[11:30] <ferris> is ubuntu supposed to be as fast as MS Win9X ?
[11:30] <ogra> Rohan: then everything gets updated...you can be sure that between sarge and hoary all the versions are newer
[11:30] <Rohan> ok
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: depends on the hardware
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> I imagine on low ram systems win9x would perform 'faster'
[11:31] <ferris> i have installed it on a sony viao laptop
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> what are the specs?
[11:31] <ferris> it seems like knoppix was slow also
[11:31] <ironwolf> ptal-mlcd says it initalized correctly, but can't find device.  I'm trying to setup an officejet K60.  dpkg-reconfigure hpoj says it finds the printer on the USB port, but that it can't communicate with it.  What should I try next?
[11:32] <ogra> ferris: what kind of vaio ?
[11:32] <ferris> f590
[11:32] <ferris> it is an 800 mhz
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> ironwolf: re plug it?
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: how much ram
[11:32] <ogra> ferris: i got a f707 here (600mhz) ...runs pretty fine
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> ram is the main killer
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> if it has normal SODIMM slots just get some more
[11:33] <ogra> ferris: i got 256....
[11:33] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: plug it? it's plugged in, and it prints in windows.
[11:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: nope, its a vaio....
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: yeah I figured as much
[11:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: you have to buy sony mem
[11:33] <ferris> how do i find the specs within ubuntu?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: free -m
[11:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: which is about 3x expensive
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> tells you your memory
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: hooray! it's like buying a cheap sony camera only to realise you can only buy sony memory sticks
[11:34] <ogra> yep
[11:34] <ogra> its not a trick ;)
[11:34] <ferris> 128
[11:34] <ferris> swap is 489
[11:34] <ogra> ferris: thats your prob then
[11:35] <ferris> the weird thing is that i ran Knoppix on disk, it ran fine
[11:35] <ogra> ferris: it will swap all the time, because main mem is missing....that makes everything slow
[11:35] <ferris> then i installed it on the drive and it slowed down
[11:35] <ferris> so i reinstalled ubuntu
[11:35] <ferris> it is running slow
[11:35] <ferris> do i need to 'defrag'?
[11:36] <ferris> do you ever need to 'defrag' with linux?
[11:36] <ogra> ferris: wont help....
[11:36] <ferris> ok
[11:36] <ogra> ferris: depends on the filesystem you use
[11:36] <ogra> ferris: on journalled ones you dont
[11:37] <ferris> I installed it with the standard settings
[11:37] <ferris> just let it go
[11:37] <ogra> ferris: you can use ubuntu with a smaller desktop, then it doesnt eat so much mem
[11:37] <ferris> how do i do that?
[11:37] <ogra> ferris: the default is ext3 which is journalled.... so no need for defrag
[11:38] <ferris> ok
[11:38] <ferris> is that similar to ntfs?
[11:38] <ogra> ferris: install icewm or xfce4 through synaptic from ubuntus universe....then select one of them on login
[11:38] <ogra> ferris: better :) (but i'm bised here)
[11:38] <ogra> biased
[11:38] <ferris> lol
[11:39] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: did you mean unplug it from the computer and re-plug in the USB?
[11:39] <Rohan> 128mb and gnome shouldnt be that sluggish
[11:40] <ogra> Rohan: 256 are a requirement with gnome desktop
[11:40] <ogra> Rohan: else it will swap
[11:40] <Rohan> hmm.. shows what i know heh
[11:40] <ferris> ogra: which is best for a newbie to linux?
[11:41] <ogra> Rohan: but this applys for the newer gnome .... with 2.0 128 was enough
[11:41] <Rohan> ah ic
[11:42] <ogra> ferris: icewm looks a bit like win 9X ..... xfce is something like a small gnome.....
[11:42] <Rohan> if i were learning linux and i had to pick between icewm and xfce4.. i think i would go xfce4
[11:42] <ogra> ferris: its easy to try them...if you dont like them, just uninstall through synaptic
[11:44] <ogra> ferris: if you want it _really_ fast but very spartan, you can use open/black/fluxbox
[11:48] <rod> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4893
[11:48] <rod> anyone got a fix?
[11:49] <housetier> I'll have a fix for you in a few
[11:51] <rod> oh man, that would be great :D
[11:57] <etorix> hmm .. where are my debs going .. is there a auto-clen running or os?
[11:57] <etorix> auto-clean*
[11:58] <qbeek> etorix, locally your debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if it was the question.
[11:58] <Rohan> housetier: while you're at it... fix this too... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8050
[11:59] <rod> lol Rohan
[11:59] <etorix> qbeek:  thats where id expect them to be .. there aint enough in there tho
[11:59] <Rohan> it's annoying to have to install ubuntu on my g4 through sarge
[12:01] <rod> Now we're at it; During install the network card on my asus k8n motherbord gets recognised well, with the forcedeth module, which is right. But when the computer reboots for the first time, the network card doesnt get detected anymore.
[12:01] <rod> Just a modprobe forcedeth aint enough
[12:02] <Rohan> heh i was gonna say just modprobe
[12:02] <rod> the controller or so of the nforce3 motherboard doesnt get recognised anymore or so
[12:02] <rod> during the install dhcp gets setup well though
[12:15] <RuffianSoldier> what are some good console only programs that are in Universe?
[12:16] <asac> hi, is it easy to build a custom livecd (e.g. with latex)? Any pointers how to start?
[12:17] <stuNNed> RuffianSoldier, mc file manager for one
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> fo sho!
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> of course
[12:17] <stuNNed> RuffianSoldier, but it is very powerful, be careful
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> I know! I use it often
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> what else?
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> I have Bitchx
[12:18] <RuffianSoldier> centericq
[12:18] <stuNNed> aumix, mpg321
[12:18] <stuNNed> giFTcurs
[12:18] <RuffianSoldier> what are those?
[12:18] <stuNNed> mplayer w/framebuffer
[12:18] <stuNNed> aumix=mixer,mpg321=mp3 player,giFTcurs=p2p frontend
[12:19] <etorix> eLinks
[12:19] <RuffianSoldier> elinks?
[12:19] <RuffianSoldier> hey - bbiab
[12:19] <RuffianSoldier> getting food
[12:19] <etorix> textmode browser
[12:20] <RuffianSoldier> i already have 2 text browsers lol
[12:20] <rod> mp3blaster
[12:21] <rod> ta best
[12:21] <rod> not sure how it compares to mplayer
[12:21] <rod> in fb mode
[12:22] <stuNNed> damn fb should be easier to setup
[12:25] <etorix> hmm .. whats the nvidia-glx command
[12:28] <rod> housetier, do you need more details or so in fixing that bug I mentioned when I joined this room?
[12:29] <stuNNed> etorix, glxinfo ?
[12:30] <etorix> hmm .. no theres a install or setup command
[12:32] <etorix> for the glx-package from ubuntu
[12:33] <etorix> found it
[12:34] <stuNNed> what is it? ;)
[12:35] <etorix>
[12:35] <etorix> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:35] <etorix> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:36] <etorix> get nvidia-settings too .. its useful
[12:46] <djtansey> does anyone here have experience with partitions? i am trying to install ubuntu on a previous debian install that is on a dual boot system. but i'm not getting the option to modify the current partition table. i can only erase the whole disk. running fdisk on the current system says The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7294. parted, on the current and install, says Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[12:46] <djtansey> Information: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hda is
[12:46] <djtansey> 116257/16/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 503.999M.
[12:46] <djtansey>  any help?
[12:46] <evil-dna> hello dudes
[12:46] <evil-dna> i ordered my ubuntu discs
[12:47] <evil-dna> but i didnt receive a confirmation email yet :(
[12:47] <evil-dna> any idea when they process the next batch?
[12:47] <stuNNed> evil-dna, taking a while here but think some of mine shipped, they are coming from .nl btw so probly be a while
[12:48] <evil-dna> netherlands?
[12:48] <stuNNed> yes
[12:48] <evil-dna> nice, im in france, it's pretty close :)
[12:48] <xevil> djtansey: have you tried installing in expert mode?
[12:49] <evil-dna> if they could ship some free pot with it it would rock 8)
[12:49] <djtansey> xevil: yes. but i couldn't see any difference other then some module load warnings.
[12:49] <stuNNed> evil-dna, pot?
[12:49] <evil-dna> weed :P
[12:49] <evil-dna> (.nl)
[12:50] <xevil> djtansey: I installed over a Debian installation and didn't have any problems...
[12:50] <stuNNed> evil-dna, i gave that stuff up a few years ago, like 5, heh
[12:51] <djtansey> xevil: my guess is that my partition table is somehow unhappy. fdisk can read it in my current setup but parted can't. i think once i solve than then i'm set.
[12:52] <evil-dna> ja ne
[12:53] <xevil> djtansey: the install allowed me to choose which partition I wanted to modify and select only that one that my previous Debian install resided... I didn't even touch my swap partition
[12:53] <libertine> hi all. does anyone know the default longin details for the mysql server?im trying to login through webmin, but i cant use root/root passwd.
[12:54] <stuNNed> libertine, user mysql ?
[12:55] <djtansey> xevil: yup, but mine doesn't. it only gives me the option to erase the whole disk. even when i say manually edit. i can only assume it is because parted can't read it. the commant print in parted only says "Error: can't have partion outside the disk"
[12:55] <libertine> nope, i get: Login failed : Incorrect administration username or password
[12:55] <libertine> its weird. i had the same setup on my desktop, but root/root pwd works, im sure.
[12:55] <stuNNed> libertine, i found a doc on google to reset root passwd for mysql
[12:55] <xevil> djtansey: bummer...
[12:55] <libertine> stuNNed, i'll have a look. but i've tried dpkg-reconfigure, too
[12:58] <libertine> sudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'password'
[12:58] <libertine> that did it :) duh, google is my friend.
[12:58] <stuNNed> there ya go :)
[12:58] <stuNNed> libertine, what are you using mysql for may i ask? :)
[12:58] <stuNNed> google is the shazizzle on the tip of the fizzle
[12:58] <libertine> hahahah
[12:59] <stuNNed> :D
[12:59] <libertine> i work in a skateboard shop, and i'm setting up an online webstore with mambo and mambo-phpshop. so i'm just getting used to playing with it all
[01:00] <stuNNed> have studied oracle in school but proby need to read up on mysql
[01:00] <libertine> yeah, i've only done a few weeks on mysql at uni, last year. cant remember anything :)
[01:01] <libertine> but i've bought a few books last week. php+mysql, etc. gonna be writing something like urkut/myspace, next year when i get time.
[01:02] <stuNNed> do you know if mysql can scale?
[01:02] <libertine> might do it in mono/asp.net but someone reccomended java/tomcat. need to look into it all. interesting stuff though :) but dont tell anyone who shops at our skateshop that i'm a big geek
[01:02] <stuNNed> hehe
[01:03] <libertine> it's pretty popular for large systems, so i imagine it scales well
[01:03] <libertine> i've not looked into it in much detail yet though, tbh
[01:04] <djtansey> i don't seem to have access to /dev/hda (my harddrive) even though dmesg shows it being recognized in the boot. why doesn't /dev/hda exist?
[01:04] <libertine> djtansey, what are you trying to do?
[01:07] <djtansey> libertine: my ubuntu install (and parted in a shell) doesn't seem able to deal with my partitions. i am replacing debian with ubuntu on a dual-boot machine and i get Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk! Information: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hda is 116257/16/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 503.999M. when i try to run parted, and when i say print it just spits out the error again. fdisk. however,
[01:07] <djtansey>  seems happy to read it and to change the partitions though it warns The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7294. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,and could in certain setups cause problems with:..
[01:07] <rod> is it possible to automaticly increase the NICE level of an app when the window is selected?
[01:08] <rod> would be cool
[01:09] <stuNNed> what do you mean window is selected?
[01:09] <djtansey> libertine: any guesses?
[01:10] <libertine> djtansey, the only thing i can think of is the sizes of logical/primary partitions might be causing some trouble
[01:10] <rod> stuNNed, like... Im copying a huge file via a terminal while playing music in totem
[01:10] <libertine> i've never seen that error before, sorry.
[01:10] <rod> not totem starts to stutter
[01:11] <rod> If I would select totem, it gets a high priority so it stopts stuttering
[01:11] <stuNNed> rod, sure you can renice cp
[01:11] <libertine> rod, i dont think you can do it automatically. it'd be a metacity thing i think
[01:11] <rod> But imagine working in openoffice for example under high load
[01:11] <mjg59> rod: You mean drop the nice level, and you can't without being root
[01:11] <xevil> djtansey: it's wonderful mapping new trails, huh? :)
[01:11] <rod> yeah, the metacity rooms were empty so I came here
[01:12] <rod> yeah, drop the nice level, which increases the priority
[01:12] <mjg59> You need to be root to drop it below 0, so it's not going to happen
[01:12] <djtansey> xevil: :) -- it installed happily on my ibm x40. but i did the whole drive then anyway
[01:12] <libertine> i'm off to ikea folks :) stuNNed, thanks for telling me about that 'google' thing :)
[01:12] <stuNNed> libertine, that is np thank you for the info :)
[01:13] <libertine> that google is a great idea, everyone should be told about it!
[01:13] <libertine> ;)
[01:13] <rod> hmmokay... It would have been a great thing if it was possible.. its a shame imho
[01:14] <xevil> djtansey: how were those partitions created originally?
[01:14] <rod> Always having a high priority in the app you are currently working in
[01:15] <djtansey> xevil: it was a long time ago. probably windows primary install then resizing the vfat partition (though it's ntfs so maybe i did something else) then did debian.
[01:16] <miausX> hi! :)
[01:16] <_kristin_> hi there
[01:17] <stuNNed> where is there?
[01:17] <_kristin_> when trying to use hoary as according to the wiki page, i get a nice looking python 2.4 depencency bug
[01:17] <stuNNed> _kristin_, yes, you need to use dpkg to force install or latest or something
[01:18] <_kristin_> hmm, i do? :/
[01:18] <stuNNed> or/the
[01:18] <stuNNed> yes
[01:28] <thotypous> hi
[01:28] <frogbert> anyone here got a winmodem to work with ubuntu>
[01:28] <Pizbit> Mornin
[01:28] <frogbert> ?
[01:28] <Pizbit> Just wondering how stable hoary is these days:)
[01:29] <thotypous> frogbert, I haven't tryed but you should just download and compile the drivers
[01:29] <thotypous> and it should work
[01:31] <telemac1> hi people
[01:31] <telemac1> were is the source of ubuntu ?
[01:33] <stuNNed> frogbert, yes, with linuxant.com hsf drivers
[01:33] <stuNNed> frogbert, and ubuntu 2.6.9 kernel
[01:35] <thotypous> telemac1, which part of ubuntu?
[01:35] <telemac1> thotypous: the x dectection changes in xserver
[01:36] <thotypous> telemac1, ubuntu is a collection of a lot of different softwares... which one with their source
[01:36] <thotypous> telemac1, if it is really changed, it should be in the FTP
[01:36] <thotypous> telemac1, or, better, in the CVS
[01:36] <telemac1> thotypous: cvs ?
[01:37] <telemac1> thotypous: which is the host of ubuntu cvs ?
[01:37] <thotypous> telemac1, please wait
[01:40] <thotypous> telemac1, I was confused.. the CVS I was seen were the ubuntu backports CVS...
[01:42] <_kristin_> "python-pyxattr: Depends on: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is installed"
[01:42] <_kristin_> i get like 20 of these python-* blah blah
[01:43] <_kristin_> tried to force install of the python2.4_2.4-2ubuntu1_i386.deb package
[01:43] <_kristin_> no errors, but it still complains about the same thing...
[01:43] <thotypous> telemac1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnifiedHardwareDetection
[01:44] <thotypous> telemac1, ubuntu uses that software.. it don't have it's own detection code
[01:44] <thotypous> telemac1, the modifications should be only in some scripts that softwares use, but the scripts are itself their source
[01:45] <_kristin_> any help would be greatly appriciated on this...
[01:45] <thotypous> _kristin_, your really need python-pyxattr?
[01:46] <_kristin_> not really no, but my point was that all python extensions and applications that has any python dependencies fails
[01:46] <_kristin_> so upgrade/dist-upgrade fails as well
[01:46] <_kristin_> i think i saw some discussion on this issue on one of the mailing lists
[01:47] <_kristin_> but i cant seem to find the thread....
[01:47] <thotypous> _kristin_, try to update the apt package, if it fails, you should register a bug
[01:47] <thotypous> _kristin_, if it isn't already registered..
[01:48] <_kristin_> i saw one recent python bug on bugzilla, but im not quite sure if its exactly the same... it was pretty anemic in terms of information
[01:49] <thotypous> so you can reply it and add more info
[01:50] <_kristin_> argh, im getting a ton of missing dependencies when trying to run hoary here
[01:50] <kayali> hi there
[01:51] <_kristin_> all relating to this python thingie, and something which seems to be two seperate gimp-data and aptitude problems
[01:51] <_kristin_> ill post a bug i suppose
[01:51] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz   - if anyone is willing to test   http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette for more details
[02:08] <parents> anyone know how to set a nameserver in resolv.conf so it doesn't change? the one my dhcp server gives me sucks.
[02:09] <Pozac> parents, you can tell dhcpcd not to overwrite, just a sec
[02:10] <sven-tek> i thought so too, but have not found any dhcpcd in ubuntu
[02:10] <sven-tek> dirty way would be to remove write righte from resolv.conf :-)
[02:11] <Pozac> It seems to use dhclient
[02:11] <Pozac> there's a /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:13] <Pozac> hmm.. in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script, there's a make_resolv_conf() function.. perhaps the contents of it could be commented out?
[02:15] <sdlfkjsl> hello
[02:15] <Pozac> hi
[02:15] <sdlfkjsl> hope someone can help me here
[02:15] <sdlfkjsl> i have a couple of questions
[02:16] <Pozac> probably, ask away :)
[02:16] <sdlfkjsl> i tried to install ubuntu on my notebook with vmware, but when installing the mainsystem it can't read the cd
[02:17] <sdlfkjsl> i ordered the cd's, and downloaded the cd, but it's the same with both
[02:17] <sven-tek> ubuntu kernel seems to miss the drivers for the vmwares cdrom
[02:18] <sdlfkjsl> hmm, but, it loads the cd and all, and tries to configure network settings
[02:19] <sven-tek> yout mean it starts up installs a lot and then, ubuntu says wait i restart into your new ubuntu.. and bang?
[02:20] <sdlfkjsl> it starts install, but one step of the installation process is installing main system ( or something)
[02:20] <sdlfkjsl> and then it's going to copy files and stuff, and then BANG
[02:22] <Pozac> sven-tek, dhcpcd is in universe, and it seems to work ok :)
[02:22] <Pozac> .. at least for hoary
[02:26] <sven-tek> sdlfkjsl, there is a point where it reboots and uses the installed kernel and not the kernel from the install-cd. is seems to break there.
[02:26] <Pozac> but this is before
[02:26] <sdlfkjsl> hmm ok, going to install it on my desktop then
[02:27] <Pozac> what kind of laptop is it, sdlfkjsl ?
[02:27] <sdlfkjsl> medion,
[02:27] <sdlfkjsl> from aldi :P
[02:27] <Pozac> nice :)
[02:28] <sdlfkjsl> but, is ubuntu also a nice for web/ftp/mail server?
[02:29] <sdlfkjsl> i'm totally new to linux and at the moment i have a win2000 server for these things
[02:29] <sdlfkjsl> but, if this is working out nice i'm trying to put it all on linux,
[02:29] <_kristin_> submitting bugs isnt a walk in the park, thats for sure heh
[02:30] <_kristin_> picky bugzilla... but thats a good thing i suppose...
[02:30] <_kristin_> bbl
[02:31] <Atlas> how to configure WebDownloader for X2.5.0final in downloader by default with firefox please?
[02:32] <sven-tek> sdlfkjsl, if it really breaks before - i cant help since i know ubuntu since yesterday too
[02:32] <Atlas> someone can answer to me please?
[02:33] <sdlfkjsl> sven-tek, thx, i'm going to try to install it on my desktop,
[02:33] <sdlfkjsl> if that goes allright i will blame vmware ;P
[02:33] <sven-tek> sdlfkjsl, good choice
[02:34] <sven-tek> i have never installed a linux in vmware over windows. i always did it the other way
[02:35] <sven-tek> but now the few apps i still need run with wine and i dont have vmware any more
[02:35] <sdlfkjsl> ok
[02:38] <sven-tek> anybody here who _likes_ gnomes new behavior to open new windows for each folder you open? can someone explain how to use it, i cant see any good in this
[02:39] <joh_> I love it
[02:40] <plasmo> sven-tek: i just turnit off :)
[02:40] <joh_> the thing is that it opens the window at the same location as it were the last time you opened it. So you can create your own little system of windows
[02:40] <Pozac> I love it too
[02:40] <joh_> I find that very nice
[02:41] <ACIDnet_> hey all
[02:41] <Pozac> hey ACIDnet
[02:41] <plasmo> hello
[02:41] <guru_> hi does anybody get a centrino working?
[02:41] <ACIDnet_> i have a single dynamic IP and a domainname(with no-ip) pointing to my router
[02:41] <oga> hi..... can anybody recommend a bt client for linux?
[02:41] <guru_> oga: azureus
[02:41] <plasmo> bittornado :x
[02:41] <sven-tek_> joh_, thats interesting. can u explain why?
[02:42] <sven-tek_> mldonkey
[02:42] <Pozac> or bittornado
[02:42] <ACIDnet_> i want to be able to have two websites for each PC - my windows IIS (Coursework) and my Ubuntu WebServ (Different Coursework),  i want to access them via subdomains - any ideas how i can do it without changing port numbers
[02:42] <ACIDnet_> would be willing to buy a new router...
[02:42] <Pozac> sven-tek, it's another philosophy for dealing with files, that is easier on the human brain
[02:43] <Pozac> sven-tek, for sadly, our brains are not at all that good with hierachies.
[02:43] <Pozac> ACIDnet, you need another IP address then
[02:43] <guru_> or does anyone know a good tut because the ones up to know did not work
[02:44] <ACIDnet_> Pozac, :(
[02:44] <ACIDnet_> My ISP wont even give me a static....
[02:44] <sven-tek_> Pozac, i try to use it right now. but still i end up with dozends of open windows.
[02:44] <plasmo> use the middle mouse button
[02:44] <Pozac> ACIDnet, unless you can forward a folder to another machine in apache..
[02:45] <cef> hey does standard wine support OpenGL yet out of the box?
[02:45] <Pozac> sven-tek, maybe your homedir could use some reorganization?
[02:45] <Pozac> cef, I should believe so, if the system does
[02:45] <ctd> ACIDnet_: You could do a reverse-squid proxy.
[02:46] <Pozac> sven-tek, it works best for higher resolutions though
[02:46] <cef> Pozac: hrm.. got a win app that needs OpenGL.. might give it a try *grin*
[02:46] <Pozac> cef, go ahead :)
[02:48] <ACIDnet_> ok, i got zoneedit to forward a subdomain onto the main ip but with a different port
[02:48] <ACIDnet_> not a perfect solution but works
[02:48] <Pozac> It can, and should, be transparent from the outside tho
[02:48] <sven-tek_> Pozac, lol what is the high resolution for - i guess one need it for those hundreds of nautlius-instances
[02:49] <Pozac> sven-tek, 800x600 is high enough for me tho
[02:49] <neels> Any qt programmers around?
[02:49] <Pozac> sven-tek, You can just set to always use the browser.. in /apps/nautilus somewhere in gconf
[02:49] <neels> My qt app looks ghastly
[02:50] <Pozac> sven-tek, I also use my homedir as desktop.. and keep ~20 folders on my desktop, of which 5 have different backgrounds for easy distinguishing
[02:50] <sven-tek> Pozac, i know that and always did it. But i try to understand the reasons so i can use it better perhaps.
[02:50] <deus> hi all
[02:51] <deus> could anyone help me plz
[02:51] <Pozac> We can try
[02:51] <Pozac> if you ask a question :)
[02:51] <deus> i search since ource a dokument where described a change from woody to warty
[02:52] <deus> i know i saw it times befor but my woodhad has forgotten where
[02:52] <deus> and today i search and search and cant find it
[02:52] <sven-tek> I HATE THOSE can i ask a question - questions
[02:52] <sven-tek> JUST ASK
[02:52] <Pozac> yeh
[02:52] <deus> welcome to ubuntu how friendly
[02:52] <deus> i still asked :)
[02:53] <neels> I need qt help anyone
[02:53] <sven-tek> OR DO YOU WHAT FOR 293 PEOPLE TO SAY YES
[02:53] <sven-tek> WAIT not WHAT
[02:53] <deus> bad vibes today ?
[02:53] <Pozac> neels, can't help you, sorry
[02:53] <fabbione> chill down
[02:53] <neels> :)
[02:53] <deus> :)
[02:54] <deus> iam chilled i only asked if someone know where i can find the dokumentation for switching a woody installation to ubuntu, all i have done ... :)
[02:54] <Pozac> deus, Sometimes people forget how timid joining a channel can seem.. don't worry :)
[02:54] <xevil> isn't this the Psychic Friends Network? :)
[02:54] <mercurus> deus: FAQ iirc
[02:55] <stuNNed> anyone having nvidia glx issues with unstable current?
[02:55] <rolfzor> stuNNed: yep
[02:55] <deus> Pozac : no Problem, everyone has its bad day cause thats why we humans ;)
[02:55] <cef> stuNNed: yeah xorg issue.. there is a temp fix
[02:56] <stuNNed> cef, ah ok, what is it? :D
[02:56] <stuNNed> rolfzor, thanks
[02:57] <cef> in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions, make s symbolic link from libglx.so to libglx.a
[02:58] <stuNNed> ok, thanks
[02:58] <cef> note that this should be removed when this problem is fixed
[02:58] <neels> why does my qt application look like shit on ubuntu?
[02:59] <looksaus> is gst-python packaged in ubuntu main?
[02:59] <stuNNed> cef, do i need to reload nvidia module/restart x?
[02:59] <looksaus> or just in universe
[03:00] <cef> stuNNed: yes
[03:00] <cef> stuNNed: just restart x
[03:00] <deus> next question : is there anyone here with a Thinkpad 600e and Ubuntu on it, cause have a few questions to enable the sound chip ..
[03:00] <neels> nark nark nark
[03:05] <sven-tek> anybody here who has a good "howto make totem play mediafiles" or "howto install mplayer"
[03:06] <rolfzor> sven-tek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:07] <plasmo|sleep> or http://ubuntuguide.org/ for all your howtos :)
[03:07] <sven-tek> ok, thought one of you has a beloved one
[03:09] <siretart> sven-tek: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[03:10] <looksaus> this is funny
[03:10] <afonit> has anyone added this repository  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main    and if so how do you get ubuto to recognize it as a legitimate source?
[03:10] <looksaus> I updated my apt sources to include
[03:10] <looksaus> universe
[03:10] <looksaus> but it doesn't seem to find
[03:11] <looksaus> gst-python
[03:11] <looksaus> even though it is present: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-python/
[03:11] <looksaus> same with other packages
[03:11] <looksaus> strange...
[03:11] <bob2> it's not in warty
[03:11] <sven-tek> siretart, i get this " The item you requested does not exist on this server or cannot be served."
[03:12] <bob2> but is in hoary
[03:12] <bob2> pool/ contains packages for all suites
[03:12] <bob2> afonit: you need to be way more specific about hte problem you're having
[03:12] <afonit> bob2 I will reasearch a tad more, then be more specific
[03:12] <siretart> sven-tek: try again, I get the page
[03:13] <cef> wow.. ubuntu actually prompted me what to do when I put in this cd.. (it contains audio and data)
[03:13] <sven-tek> siretart, ok fixed it
[03:14] <looksaus> bob2, how likely is it that I'll get errors when I pin gst-python from hoary?
[03:17] <bob2> how much stuff does it Depend on?
[03:18] <looksaus> you mean from hoary?
[03:18] <bob2> yes
[03:18] <looksaus> probably the entire gstreamer thing...
[03:18] <looksaus> it's not really a problem if sound on this machine stops working...
[03:19] <looksaus> it's just the rest of my system that I want to be stable...
[03:23] <Capri> anyone here with possibility to write to smbfs share with latest ubuntu warty package?
[03:24] <oga> any recommendations on movie player?
[03:24] <oga> (including wmv)
[03:25] <Capri> oga: I use totem-xine although I have to start it twice to see something
[03:26] <oga> it keeps saying - cannot open file - reason unknown
[03:27] <oga> meh
[03:34] <Capri> oga: you need some propritary addons and the dlls from marillat's repository
[03:35] <crimsun> ogra: there are a number of options: 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'
[03:36] <crimsun> ogra: err, sorry.
[03:36] <crimsun> oga: there are a number of options: 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'
[03:41] <cef> Pozac: re: wine and OpenGL.. the answer is: sort of
[03:42] <stuNNed> cef, is that nvidia prob an ubuntu xorg prob or xorg prob in general?
[03:42] <sls> i have a service that:
[03:42] <sls> dead but subsys locked
[03:42] <cef> ubuntu xorg afaik
[03:43] <sls> how do i get rid of theh subsys so i can restart the service?
[03:44] <crimsun> cef: the brown paper bag issue?
[03:44] <crimsun> cef: the one fixed in 8?
[03:44] <sls> does anyone know anything about services?
[03:44] <crimsun> what service?
[03:44] <sls> pxe
[03:44] <sls> its dead
[03:45] <sls> but subsys locked...
[03:45] <cef> crimsun: no, the one that isn't fixed in 8
[03:45] <crimsun> cef: what are the symptoms?
[03:45] <sls> is there a socket file i can delete?
[03:45] <cef> crimsun: bug 4818..
[03:45] <crimsun> ah, I see.
[03:45] <crimsun> yep.
[03:46] <cef> crimsun: daniels & fabbione both know about it.. lib*.so loading doesn't search the path
[03:46] <crimsun> cef: correct.
[03:46] <sls> crimsun: i would rather no apply the windows solution and reboot
[03:47] <cef> erm what? the gnome bar (at the top) is unusable
[03:49] <crimsun> cef: (it works here)
[03:50] <cef> hrm.. just upgraded.. might need to restart gnome.. annoying, since I now can't get to the log out option
[03:50] <FallenHitokiri> when I try to shut down my system it reboots after saying: "acpi-power-off requested". how can I fix this that my system turns off?
[03:52] <cef> this is wacked.. "I've detected a panel running, so I will exit now".. ho hum
[03:53] <stuNNed> cef, you must be running leet ultra-unstable ubuntu ;)
[03:53] <cef> stuNNed: heh
[03:53] <zeedo> cef: thats a gnome panel message which happens if you start gnome without logging out properly before hand
[03:53] <zeedo> it starts gnome-panel by default and then starts the one from your previous session
[03:54] <cef> zeedo: well the panel at the top 'died' on me, so that explains why it came up
[03:54] <zeedo> yeh
[03:54] <cef> of course now i have blank panels at the top/bottom of the screen
[03:55] <cef> and ctrl-alt-backspace just dropped me to a command prompt
[03:55] <eim> How can I define a default OS to boot in grub after the timeout? Thanks.
[03:55] <crimsun> cef: I had that happen on the very first login to GNOME after I rebooted 2 days ago
[03:56] <crimsun> cef: I killed everything related to gnome and logged back in, and all was peachy
[03:56] <sls> seb128: do you live in Nancy France?
[03:56] <cef> crimsun: I had it happen like that too.. but I started the machine today a few times.. only hapened again since I upgraded
[03:57] <crimsun> I suspect one only needs to kill certain gnome daemons
[03:57] <cef> nup, seems permanent here
[03:57] <crimsun> But I took the hammer approach
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: tx again for your help yesterday evening.
[04:00] <skaffen> eim: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ,look for the line that starts with "saved"
[04:00] <eim> skaffen: Thanks
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: occy.net (left sidebar)
[04:00] <crimsun> occy: np :) No, I don't maintain a web page. Yes, I'm the same one on debianplanet.org et al.
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: haha
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: you read my mind..
[04:00] <cef> yup killing every gnome process manually then stopping and stareting gdm fixed it
[04:01] <eim> skaffen: Seems like I need "savedefault".
[04:02] <occy> Could the fact that I can use this one java web tool under MS Windows XP with IE6 and Firefox, but not under Linux be a fact that the java code is making calls to specific windows things?  I can play Yahoo java games just find under Firefox on Linux, but can't view that one websites application.
[04:02] <cef> crimsun: that's just plain annoying.. *sigh*
[04:03] <crimsun> occy: possibly. Does the jvm tell you which applet fails to init?
[04:03] <crimsun> cef: indeed.
[04:03] <crimsun> cef: seb128 probably has more insight.
[04:03] <occy> crimsun: hmmm, is there a console I can initiate or something to ascertain that?
[04:04] <occy> ahh
[04:04] <crimsun> occy: sometimes the error is printed in the space on the web page where the applet should have loaded; sometimes it creates a log file in ~
[04:04] <occy> java console
[04:04] <skaffen> eim: savedefault works if you set default to "saved"
[04:04] <occy> :)
[04:04] <occy> web dev tool rocks
[04:04] <crimsun> occy: yep, that works, too.
[04:04] <Rhodan> hell thar
[04:04] <Rhodan> hello*
[04:05] <Rhodan> I installed warty and upgraded to hoary via synaptic, after rebooting a message comes up saying there is a xserver already running on this display
[04:05] <Rhodan> what do I do ?
[04:06] <crimsun> Rhodan: are you able to log into GNOME and use it?
[04:07] <Rhodan> well i guess not, this message comes up straight away
[04:07] <occy> crimsun: does that look bad?
[04:07] <mdke> Can someone tell me how to change the default amount of time that the console waits before blacking out after inactivity?
[04:07] <crimsun> occy: which jre/jdk are you using?
[04:07] <occy> I grabbed the blackdown version  (and tried to use the debian one from multiverse too
[04:07] <occy> +)
[04:08] <crimsun> occy: hmm. 1.4.x?
[04:08] <occy> crimsun: yah... sec
[04:08] <crimsun> `java -version'
[04:08] <occy> 1.4.2
[04:08] <occy> hmmm
[04:08] <occy> I wonder if I need to have a path set
[04:09] <occy> I simply have the symlink setup now.
[04:09] <crimsun> occy: for the moz-firefox plugin, just the symlink is sufficient
[04:09] <Rhodan> crimsun: any idea's ?
[04:09] <occy> I type which java  and it's not found, but it's in /usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/
[04:09] <crimsun> Rhodan: `X -version'
[04:10] <occy> crimsun: right, but if it needs some sort of local system java stuff, won't it need the path to be set?
[04:10] <occy> I bet that's the problem.
[04:10] <crimsun> occy: actually in that case, $CLASSPATH would need to be set
[04:10] <Rhodan> crimsun: what do you mean ?
[04:10] <ib_> Hi all
[04:10] <occy> crimsun: how can I do that. (man you are a busy guy)
[04:10] <ib_> The first time for my ubuntu installation
[04:11] <crimsun> occy: prepending the $JAVA_HOME/bin path to your $PATH may help, too
[04:11] <occy> I wish I was worth a lot of money so I could afford to pay guys like you and ogra and bob2 for helping people on irc.
[04:11] <occy> heh
[04:11] <ib_> But i have a problem about the modem of Laptop Dell C840.
[04:11] <crimsun> Rhodan: type that command in a terminal and say what version it reports
[04:11] <occy> if that VA stock only would have held up at $200+/share.  *sigh*
[04:11] <occy> heh
[04:12] <Rhodan> crimsun: thats if I could get to the terminal as this blasted message is there, it won't let met ctrl + alt f2-f7
[04:12] <occy> export $PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/bin
[04:12] <occy> will that work?
[04:13] <crimsun> occy: export PATH=/usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/bin:$PATH
[04:13] <occy> ahh
[04:13] <occy> I can never remember that silly syntax
[04:14] <crimsun> ib_: have you looked on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops ?
[04:15] <crimsun> Rhodan: can you ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[04:15] <Rhodan> tried that
[04:15] <Rhodan> stupid ass message just keeps coming back
[04:15] <ib_> thx
[04:16] <bob2> hah
[04:17] <Pozac> Rhodan, have you tried about hitting ESC at boot and selecting the rescue option?
[04:17] <occy> stupid question #4325452452:  How can I set the resolution of GDM?  I had to change to 1024x768 for my gnome session, and now the GDM login screen is at 1400x1050 still... (and barely does show the login field)
[04:17] <Pozac> eh. recovery mode, that is :)
[04:17] <Rhodan> Pozac: i can try that, what do I do if that works
[04:18] <Pozac> occy, I think you may have to set the 1024x768 option first in your list of resolutions in your x config
[04:18] <cuga> Heya, I am using accelerated video drivers (which replaced the libgl), now i can't apt-get anything cause it keeps trying to put libgl back, how can i tell it too ignore taht so i can apt stuff again?
[04:18] <occy> Pozac: okies
[04:18] <crimsun> occy: usually I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and do what Pozac said.
[04:18] <khad> Anyone know why gxine would play encrypted DVDs but totem-xine will only play non-encryoted DVDs? THey use the same backend (libxine) right?
[04:18] <occy> ahh ok
[04:18] <crimsun> occy: then `sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart'
[04:20] <Pozac> Rhodan, I'm not sure - are you sitting at the computer you're fixing?
[04:21] <Rhodan> Pozac: yes, in XP at the mo, so i'll have to reboot in Ubuntu
[04:22] <Pozac> Rhodan, if it complains that there's already a server running, one must be - perhaps on vty8?
[04:22] <Pozac> or have you installed Xvnc or something?
[04:23] <Rhodan> Pozac: I installed warty, amended souces.list to hoary, and upgraded to hoary, thats all I did
[04:23] <Rhodan> rebooted, and now this message
[04:23] <Pozac> ok
[04:24] <khad> Nobody knows anything about totem-xine vs. gxine? ....
[04:25] <crimsun> khad: dpkg -l libdvdcss2 |grep ^ii
[04:26] <khad> ii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-sarge0.0 Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime
[04:26] <bob2> haha, USN for nasm
[04:27] <khad> crimsun, I have libdvdcss2 installed and it works fine when I use gxine, I just can't figure out why totem-xine doesn't want to acknowledge it.
[04:28] <AndyFitz> khad:  I have your same problem
[04:28] <AndyFitz> actually sorry only with some video files.  I can play dvd's fine
[04:28] <mojo> ale ale
[04:28] <khad> AndyFitz, I just can't figure out why two frontends using the same library have different playback issues
[04:28] <mojo> I just pack a new Debian RealPlayer 10 with MPEG4 support, who needs, pls raise hand!
[04:28] <crimsun> occy: got the gdm straightened out?
[04:29] <Pozac> Rhodan, the best advice I can give you is learn how to ubuntu/debian /etc/rcX.d works and figure out why X gets started twice using recovery mode.
[04:31] <Rhodan> Pozac: ok, thanks anyway
[04:40] <occy> crimsun: :/
[04:40] <occy> crimsun: can't seem to keep 1024x768 in 24bpp but 1400x1050 does
[04:40] <occy> quite odd
[04:41] <crimsun> occy: in Section "Screen" of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, did you modify the Modes line in Depth 24?
[04:41] <occy> yah
[04:41] <Tomcat_> mojo?
[04:41] <occy> changed it to be 1024x768
[04:41] <occy> the 24bit depth one which is default depth
[04:41] <crimsun> occy: and you have a "DefaultDepth 24"?
[04:41] <mojo> Tomcat: just Debian package of RealPlayer 10 + MPEG4 plugin
[04:42] <occy> either that, or the image that is selected for 1024x768 is poorly gradiated.
[04:42] <crimsun> occy: what's the Modes line?
[04:43] <occy> hmm
[04:43] <occy> modeline pattern not found
[04:43] <Pozac> 'Modes'-line
[04:43] <occy> oh
[04:43] <Pozac> ;)
[04:44] <occy> Depth 24  Modes "1024x768"
[04:44] <occy> guess I could do:  1024x768,1400x1050"
[04:44] <Tomcat_> mojo: I myself don't need it... but I asked a friend. I might come up to you again.
[04:44] <crimsun> occy: can you alter that to: Modes "1024x768" "1400x1050"
[04:44] <occy> ahh ok
[04:46] <occy> odd
[04:46] <occy> wish there was a way to tell GDM to stay fixed at a certain resolution.
[04:46] <occy> it changes depending on what resolution I change to as my user.
[04:46] <occy> under multiple users, that can be problematic
[04:49] <occy> be back soon, gotta do some Christmas stuff.
[04:51] <Blackwell> hi :)
[04:52] <Pozac> Blackwell :)
[05:07] <etorix> ok i feel better
[05:08] <etorix>   i got gkrellm + gkrellm-common from my debian-amd64 local archive .. lol
[05:11] <Capri> are there any other 2.6 kernels (next to <IP_ADDRESS>) available?
[05:12] <etorix> my hoary hedgehog has a 2.6.9
[05:12] <etorix> dunno if i can recommend it tho ..
[05:13] <etorix> ive only bin using ubuntu for a dat or so
[05:13] <etorix> day*
[05:14] <etorix> what shows in synaptic?
[05:16] <Capri> I have the possibility between two <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:16] <Capri> a -3 and a -4 from security-warty
[05:17] <Capri> With both I can not write to samba shares which is a known bug in the vanilla kernel tree
[05:17] <cenerentola> ciao, is there any kind of bootable cd that i could use for disk partitioning?
[05:17] <etorix> i didnt enjoy any of the 2.6.8 series
[05:17] <Capri> in the preview state of warty there was a 2.6.7. Does anyone know if I still can find it anywhere?
[05:18] <Capri> etorix: do u know if samba write on share works with the hoary 2.6.9?
[05:18] <etorix> no clue
[05:18] <etorix> sorry
[05:22] <Mabus> greetings! Ever since the Xorg improvements landed in hoary, I've been getting consistent onstartup crashes in gnome-applets. Does anyone know what's wrong or where I can find any log output ?
[05:22] <Mabus> daniels: ping ? Do you know?
[05:23] <etorix> var/log usually has the logpile .. and xsession-errors in $home
[05:24] <Mabus> hmm, no files called anything with "session" in home
[05:26] <Gwildor|Work> llok in var/log?
[05:26] <Gwildor|Work> look
[05:26] <Mabus> "panel" isn
[05:26] <Mabus> d'oh
[05:26] <etorix> its un-visible
[05:26] <Mabus> "panel" isn't mentioned in /var/log
[05:26] <Gwildor|Work> xsession-errors in var/log
[05:26] <Mabus> doesn't exist
[05:27] <Mabus> I've installed the gnome-panel-dbg package, if that helps in any way
[05:27] <Mabus> ah
[05:28] <Mabus> .xsession-errors
[05:28] <Mabus> thanks etorix
[05:28] <Mabus> (in home)
[05:29] <Gwildor|Work> glad you found it :).........sorry
[05:29] <Mabus> thanks for trying :)
[05:29] <Mabus> but because we found the file doesn't mean I know what's wrong :)
[05:30] <Gwildor|Work> im afraid of X settings........
[05:31] <Mabus> hmm, I don't think it logs to xsession-errors
[05:31] <etorix> hmm
[05:31] <etorix> (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[05:31] <etorix> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module glx
[05:31] <etorix> (II) UnloadModule: "glx"
[05:31] <etorix> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[05:32] <Mabus> so nobody else has the same problem ?
[05:32] <etorix> i use xfce4 x64-bit
[05:41] <Mabus> does anyone know how I can prevent gnome-panel to autostart ?
[05:42] <Mabus> if so, I can start it from a terminal and watch the output
[05:42] <Mabus> might tell me something
[05:42] <Mabus> or can I "listen" to stderr somehow ?
[05:42] <seb128> the output is in ~/.xsession-errors
[05:42] <seb128> you can also killall gnome-panel like 10 times in a row
[05:43] <seb128> it'll stop to respaw
[05:43] <seb128> or remove it from the session
[05:44] <Mabus> ah, there it stopped
[05:44] <Mabus> that was more like 20 :)
[05:45] <Mabus> bah! no output, nothing in xsession-errors, and didn't work.
[05:45] <Mabus> tried with --g-fatal-warnings as well
[05:47] <seb128> Mabus: what doesn't work ?
[05:47] <Mabus> seb128: gnome-panel in hoart
[05:47] <Mabus> *hoary
[05:47] <seb128> "what" = details
[05:47] <Mabus> it crashes on start
[05:47] <seb128> doesn't work can be a billions of stuff
[05:48] <Mabus> yeah :)
[05:48] <seb128> get a backtrace ?
[05:48] <anir> hi
[05:48] <Mabus> I've tried looking in /var/log, .xsession-errors, stdout and stderr, and haven't found anything
[05:48] <anir> how will i install tv card on ubuntu??
[05:48] <Mabus> seb128: find . -type f | xargs cat | grep panel in /var/log gives nothing.
[05:48] <seb128> Mabus: apt-get install bug-buddy
[05:49] <seb128> you get a window on the crash to send a bug upstream
[05:49] <seb128> in the details of this window there is a backtrace
[05:49] <Mabus> seb128: aargh! I thought I had that package already :D
[05:49] <Mabus> bah
[05:49] <seb128> you should
[05:49] <Mabus> I didn't understand why I didn't get the bug-buddy window
[05:49] <Mabus> I've always gotten that before
[05:50] <Mabus> I think it was removed some time ago due to some packages not being upgraded simultaneously
[05:50] <anir> hey guys
[05:50] <Mabus> (or however that's spelled)
[05:50] <anir> hi to all
[05:51] <twisted_steel> hello anir
[05:52] <anir> hi twisted_steel
[05:52] <anir> twisted_steel: can u tell me how can i wantch tv using xawtv?
[05:53] <twisted_steel> anir: unfortunately I have no experience with watching tv on a computer
[05:54] <anir> can anyone help me please?
[05:56] <Mabus> erm.. can anyone please write an AT-sign so I can copy it ?
[05:56] <bur[n] er_> @
[05:57] <twisted_steel> @
[05:57] <Mabus> thanks
[05:57] <qbeek> in my search of a well gnome code editor, I found Moleskine (http://sourceforge.net/projects/moleskine/). Does anyone know if it is an interesting project?
[05:59] <bur[n] er_> never used it qbeek
[06:00] <bur[n] er_> i use bluefish usually
[06:00] <Mabus> seb128: I submitted a bugreport now.
[06:00] <Mabus> seb128: however, since I used bug-buddy, I don't know the #id
[06:02] <anir> guys can u help me plz
[06:02] <bur[n] er_> anir: you can do it ;)
[06:03] <anir> bur[n] er_: i have install xawtv.. but there is no signal.. what do i do?
[06:04] <bur[n] er_> do you have support for your tv card?
[06:04] <anir> bur[n] er_: how do i check if its properly installed or not??
[06:04] <bur[n] er_> uhh... what driver are you using, what card?
[06:04] <bur[n] er_> ugh... better yet, just google... i gotta go to work :\  sorry
[06:06] <noamsml> excuse me, I have recently upgraded to hoary and I have noticed that I can't change the gnome applications menu anymore, is there anything I can do to change that?
[06:08] <Mojo_Jojo> noamsml, what happens when you "nautilus application:///Internet" or what ever you want to edit
[06:09] <anir> any one here to help me???
[06:09] <Mabus> anir: tried mythtv ?
[06:10] <anir> mabus: how will i install the driver?
[06:11] <Mabus> I have no idea
[06:11] <Mabus> tried Video4Linux ?
[06:13] <anir> mabus: where will i get it?
[06:13] <Mabus> google
[06:13] <Mabus> heh :)
[06:13] <anir> mobus:k
[06:13] <Mabus> anir: you need to enable v4l in the kernel
[06:13] <Mabus> I think
[06:14] <anir> mabus: thank you :)
[06:15] <etorix> bicyclerepair ??
[06:15] <eim> Anyone has installed Ubuntu on an Intel Serial ATA system (RAID)?
[06:16] <anir> what is the command to join other rooms??
[06:16] <Mabus> hmm, it looks like the crash is related to the recent file list
[06:17] <Mabus> seb128, etorix: know how to clear it ?
[06:17] <etorix> no .. but the install cd sees my SATA hd ok
[06:17] <etorix> recent file list?
[06:17] <etorix> a dist-upgrade?
[06:18] <jovian> anir "/join #room"
[06:18] <Mabus> no, the recently opened/viewed file list in the menu
[06:18] <eim> etorix: The installer does not see the configure SATA RAID but only the singled Hard Disks.
[06:18] <etorix> ah recently opened files
[06:18] <anir> mobus: how can enable v4l..what is the command??
[06:19] <Mabus> anir: make-kpkg kernel_image && cd .. && dpkg -i kernel-package-XX-XX.deb
[06:19] <Mabus> or similar
[06:19] <Mabus> anir: basically, you need to compile the kernel
[06:19] <Mabus> :)
[06:19] <etorix> mabus .. that menu is prolly a xml file
[06:19] <Mabus> etorix: hmm, perhaps..
[06:19] <Mabus> I couldn't find it in .gnome2
[06:20] <etorix> look in etc/x11/gdm or so ..
[06:20] <anir> mobus: i am not atall comfortable with kernel..:) i am new to use it.. still trying
[06:20] <etorix> ive seen one in passing like ..
[06:20] <sjoerd> Mabus: doesn't the ubuntu kernel support v4l stuff ?
[06:20] <Mabus> sjoerd: ah, good point. It might do that.
[06:21] <Mabus> I dist-upgraded from debian sid to hoary :)
[06:21] <Mabus> anir: sjoerd's right, it probably supports v4l already.
[06:21] <etorix> im on a generic ubuntu .. aint got round to a k8 yet
[06:21] <etorix>  but i will
[06:22] <Mabus> anir: I'm quite sure there are websites that specialize in TV/Video on linux.
[06:22] <Mabus> anir: it's probably alot easier to ask them.
[06:22] <sjoerd> anir: do you have an /sys/class/video4linux dir?
[06:22] <anir> mobus: i am searching it..
[06:23] <anir> anyways that you very much guys..
[06:23] <Mabus> http://www.exploits.org/v4l/
[06:24] <Mabus> anir: searching google for "video on linux" gave that as the first hit.
[06:24] <anir> "/join #ubuntu-offtopic"
[06:24] <jovian> without the quotes anir
[06:24] <anir> *thank you
[06:24] <jovian> np
[06:24] <Mabus> sjoerd: do you know where the recently opened files list is stored ?
[06:24] <Mabus> (for gnome-panel menu)
[06:25] <sjoerd> Mabus: ~/.recently-used
[06:25] <anir> sjoerd..let me check it out.. can u tell me how?
[06:25] <Mabus> oh god
[06:25] <Mabus> sjoerd: thanks alot
[06:25] <Mabus> now gnome-panel actually works dandy
[06:26] <kergan> i harve a prob witht he weather applet
[06:26] <kergan> now
[06:26] <sjoerd> anir: open a terminal and do "ls /sys/class/video4linux"
[06:27] <Mojo_Jojo> kergan, what problems are you having wiht the weater applet?
[06:27] <anir> sjoerd: its giving output  vbi0 video0
[06:27] <kergan> this is a good one ok i can put it on the panel
[06:27] <sjoerd> anir: then your driver is loaded correctly
[06:28] <kergan> as soon as i slect my location it crashes
[06:28] <kergan> then i click close and gnome freazes
[06:28] <anir> sjoerd?: so what should i do next?
[06:28] <sjoerd> anir: zapping is much nicer to watch television then xawtv imho
[06:28] <martin_> hi everyone
[06:28] <kergan> if i slect and other location it works like a dream
[06:29] <kergan> and=any
[06:30] <xskoulax|sleep> hi martin
[06:30] <sjoerd> anir: install zapping (it's in universe), do edit->channels and tune your device to some nice channel :)
[06:30] <anir> sjoerd:zapping.. i will install it..the command should be " sudo apt-get install zapping" right?
[06:31] <sjoerd> anir: that should work
[06:32] <martin_> xskoulax|sleep, i found a great site to learn linux commands http://www.tldp.org/
[06:32] <anir> sjoerd: zapping is not on my list.. though my universe is enabled
[06:34] <anir> sjoerd: lol i got into a helping site and i got more confused...lol
[06:34] <karim> hi
[06:35] <jovian> anir i have zapping in universe
[06:35] <karim> how are the X credential given when you do a su ?
[06:35] <jovian> double check to make sure universe is enabled
[06:36] <|QuaD-> karim: eh?
[06:37] <xskoulax> yea martin_ that site is good
[06:37] <xskoulax> how you liking ubuntu so far?
[06:38] <karim> |QuaD-, when you su, you can run a X application from the sued user
[06:38] <|QuaD-> right
[06:40] <|QuaD-> is that anir i see in here?
[06:42] <|QuaD-> i have the 20GB one
[06:42] <anir> how are you blackwell
[06:42] <|QuaD-> its nice
[06:42] <Se7h> one thing
[06:42] <Se7h> is ubuntu ready to use usb2.0 ?
[06:42] <Atlas> hello
[06:43] <|QuaD-> Se7h: i believe it can.... debian sid does...
[06:43] <|QuaD-> hey atlas, sup
[06:43] <Atlas> someone has seti@home ?
[06:43] <anir> hey quad how are you
[06:44] <|QuaD-> anir: just fine, and you? i thouhgt you are done with linux
[06:44] <|QuaD-> Atlas: i used to.... a few months back, what do you need?
[06:44] <Tyche> Hello there.
[06:44] <Atlas> I search help to configure applets for gnome2
[06:44] <Tyche> I was wondering. I installed Rhythmbox and gstreamer-mad and still not playing MP3's any suggestions?
[06:45] <|QuaD-> Atlas: sorry it was back in my kde days, but maybe i can still help?
[06:45] <sjoerd> anir: it should be there, you sure your got your universe lines
[06:45] <anir> quad: i love linux.. i was a bit frustrated  yesterday.. sorry about that..
[06:45] <|QuaD-> LOL
[06:46] <anir> sjoerd: i am installing zapping
[06:46] <|QuaD-> Tyche: i prefer using totem-xine and xmms, i reccomend against gstreamer and would recommend xine (and some UI)
[06:46] <Se7h> |QuaD- well, i supose so
[06:46] <Se7h> but im not geting the full transfer speed from usb2 i should get
[06:47] <anir> sjoerd: i got it.. installing
[06:47] <arctick> id recomend using rythembox rather than xmms
[06:47] <arctick> xmms is overrated
[06:47] <|QuaD-> arctick: thats why there are multiple options :)
[06:48] <arctick> indeed, choice is the best thing about linux
[06:48] <Mojo_Jojo> rythembox is cool :)
[06:48] <arctick> just thought while we were expressing personal opinions i would jump on the bandwagon
[06:48] <|QuaD-> arctick: i tried it back in its early days, didn't work so well, so i just stuck to xmms
[06:49] <arctick> i cant wait until rythembox has cdburning support
[06:49] <mojo_> quad: u know of a playlist plugin for xmms?
[06:49] <|QuaD-> mojo_: playlist plugin? doesn't it come wiht a playlist?
[06:50] <arctick> i have yet to burn one audiocd in linux
[06:50] <mojo_> sry, i mean, um, medai organizer type thing...
[06:50] <|QuaD-> mojo_: sorry
[06:50] <mojo_> media library / organizer plugin
[06:51] <mojo_> np
[06:52] <Mojo_Jojo> can someone tell me why linux doesnt need to be defraged :_
[06:52] <mojo_> winamp, the win derivative of amp and xamp (pre-xmms) has a media lib feature my brother uses.  i was wondering if there was something like it.
[06:53] <anir> sjoerd: how do i sacn the channels?
[06:53] <anir> scan
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: it is a different type of file system, journaled systems don't need to be defragged cuz they look at the journals
[06:53] <mojo_> i tried rhythmbox but haven't played w/it long enough to get it set up for all media types yet
[06:53] <Tyche> Quad: Do I need to add something special to Xine for it to work? Not working in that either with W32codecs
[06:53] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo,  easy the file system is jurneled
[06:53] <sjoerd> anir: edit -> channels
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Mojo: isn't xmms a copy of winamp?
[06:53] <kergan> |QuaD-,  no
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Tyche: apt-get remove  totem
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Tyche: apt-get install totem-xine
[06:54] <Mojo_Jojo> how does a journaled filesystem work, I want to try to explain why linux doesnt need a defrag.
[06:54] <mojo_> quad/mjjj - journalized fs doesn't imply non-fragmenting to me.  just implies a transaction log for recovery
[06:55] <anir> sjoerd: sad thing is that i cant find any edit button
[06:55] <mojo_> quad: xmms is derived from xamp, derived from amp.  winamp is derived from amp.  think of it as a fork that crosses over platforms.
[06:55] <|QuaD-> mojo_: that was how it was explained to me, i don't know much about filesystems
[06:55] <|QuaD-> mojo_: ohh
[06:55] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo,  it looks at the journel before looking for the file
[06:55] <bur[n] er_> Mojo_Jojo: it's not journaling that does that
[06:55] <sjoerd> anir: in the menubar of zapping ?
[06:56] <bur[n] er_> u don't have to defrag ext2 either... that's not journaled
[06:56] <anir> sjoerd: nope
[06:56] <sjoerd> anir: can you describe what the zapping window looks like for you then
[06:56] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo, linux also put the file back on the hdd in one peice (unlike windows a part of it at a time
[06:56] <sjoerd> anir: oh and which language your using ;)
[06:56] <mojo_> q/mjjj: journal, to my understanding, is a lot like a transactional database.... keeps track of changes to files in a log/journal so you can roll back on failure, re-trace steps
[06:56] <anir> sjoerd:english
[06:57] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, so there is a journal (text file?) that it looks for and it lists where verything is?
[06:57] <|QuaD-> mojo_: no... it also keeps track of locations and whatnot
[06:57] <mojo_> mjjj - i don't know that it works quite like tht.  i can prolly google up a good expla. for ya... brb...
[06:57] <anir> sjoerd: i am from india but the india is not mentioned here..???how can i get the channels of india?
[06:57] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ thanks i'm really interested in this :)
[06:58] <sjoerd> anir: which version of zapping is that ? (help -> about)
[06:58] <anir> sjoerd: zapping 0.6.8
[06:59] <sjoerd> ah, hrm, i've got 0.8 and that shows indea in the regions dropdown
[06:59] <sjoerd> although if you know your frequencies you can just use another region that comes close to them
[06:59] <anir> sjoerd: how can i get 0.8
[07:00] <mojo_> journalized - here's a good start... http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/whitepapers/jfs_vfs.html
[07:00] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks mojo_ :)
[07:01] <|QuaD-> mojo_: can you give us a quick sommary, no time to read it... .but would be interested in knowingg
[07:01] <Cred> Hello. What is the password for network configuration?
[07:01] <kergan> your sudo password Cred
[07:01] <Cred> It doesn't accept it
[07:01] <sjoerd> anir: as said you don't need to if you know your frequencies..
[07:01] <kergan> try your own password for you user account
[07:02] <Cred> Huh? It's the same
[07:02] <anir> sjoerd: i have no idea about the frequencies
[07:02] <sjoerd> anir: then pick a random region and start trying :)
[07:02] <kergan> Cred, pey
[07:02] <kergan> Cred, yep
[07:03] <anir> sjoerd: k
[07:03] <Cred> kergan, so..? :)
[07:03] <mojo_> quad: in a regular file system, changes are made to the file directly.  new data replaces.  jfs if you change part of a file, it writes the 'transaction' to a log built into the filesys.  sort of like a database with transaction support.  so as you update a file, it keeps the history as it goes until update complete.  that way if there is a failure during an update, it can 'roll back' the changes to recover the file to its previous state
[07:03] <kergan> Cred,  it sound work
[07:03] <kergan> Cred,  it should work
[07:03] <Cred> It doesn't
[07:03] <kergan> hmmm cant help you
[07:03] <mojo_> mjjj: np
[07:03] <kergan> then
[07:04] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks for typing that mojo_
[07:04] <mojo_> yeah i type fast ;)
[07:04] <mojo_> yw
[07:04] <mojo_> if you do some googling you'll get a better handle on it
[07:05] <Mojo_Jojo> I'll google later i'm in school right now, I was wondering how a linux fs works, because my teacher is talking baout windows fs.
[07:05] <Mojo_Jojo> fs are kinda interesting :D
[07:06] <mojo_> why you don't have to defrag a linux fs though i don't know.  i can only guess that the filesystems are more intelligent and dynamically do self-maintenance as they go
[07:06] <anir> sjoerd: i cant find the scan button..
[07:06] <mojo_> it makes sense... i mean it's not too far from the idea of garbage collection in memory management
[07:07] <mojo_> 'cept that it would be moving chunks around
[07:07] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo, just rember linux file systems are far sepir
[07:07] <kergan> sepoir
[07:07] <kergan> crap
[07:07] <mojo_> superior
[07:07] <mojo_> he he
[07:07] <kergan> ya
[07:07] <mojo_> np
[07:07] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah i guess
[07:07] <Blackwell> yeah, automagically any linux filesystem is superior to anything else.
[07:07] <sjoerd> Mojo_Jojo: the principles are mostly the same
[07:07] <Blackwell> that is why companies port their filesystems to linux :>
[07:08] <kergan> lol
[07:08] <Mojo_Jojo> if windows NTFS also has permissions how can linux much more secure? if it also has perissions?
[07:08] <Blackwell> Mojo_Jojo: eh?
[07:08] <mojo_> wow mjjj - ahem - security goes further than access control lists and such on files
[07:08] <kergan> like sharing preissions???
[07:09] <anir> wht is the speciality of ext3 fs?
[07:09] <djuuss> heyey
[07:09] <djuuss> bought a new harddisk
[07:09] <Blackwell> anir: i could google, but...
[07:09] <Mojo_Jojo> hihihi i need to learn how to explain myself better haha
[07:09] <djuuss> what do i put on it (exept for hoary?)
[07:09] <Mojo_Jojo> i;m learning security so this is all new to me
[07:09] <anir> blackwell: but...???
[07:09] <Atlas> someone can say me if a gnome applet for folding@home exist?
[07:09] <Blackwell> djuuss: tons of erotic pictures.
[07:09] <Blackwell> anir: i am too lazy.
[07:09] <mojo_> linux gets a lot of its security fromt the way the os manages processes and permissions within the context of running programs and access to computer resources, not just file system security
[07:10] <Blackwell> that may sound familiar...:]
[07:10] <anir> blackwell: lol..
[07:10] <djuuss> Blackwell: already got that covered
[07:10] <kergan> Blackwell,  better tons of pr0n
[07:10] <djuuss> how about a distro?
[07:10] <Blackwell> kergan: i didn't want to be that...straightforward. :)
[07:10] <djuuss> and not hoary
[07:10] <kergan> lol
[07:10] <Blackwell> djuuss: yeah, put lots of distros on it.
[07:10] <Blackwell> collecting distros is fun.
[07:10] <djuuss> which ones?
[07:10] <Blackwell> computers are boring when they simply work.
[07:10] <Blackwell> djuuss: all of them
[07:10] <djuuss> some recent released ones
[07:10] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ so don't windows and linux work the sameway?
[07:11] <Blackwell> that way you will escape boredom successfully.
[07:11] <djuuss> nooooooo!!!!
[07:11] <djuuss> dont ever say that
[07:11] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo,  no
[07:11] <anir> i agree with u blackwell
[07:11] <kergan> never
[07:11] <Mojo_Jojo> care to explain?
[07:11] <djuuss> first of all: don't say "windows" and "works" in the same sentence
[07:11] <Mojo_Jojo> ok i'll remember that
[07:11] <Blackwell> djuuss: my windows xp works just fine. :)
[07:11] <kergan> linux = better memory manger win = memory hog
[07:11] <djuuss> exept in the sentence "microsoft works doesn't work"
[07:11] <Blackwell> runs linux fine inside vmware, too.
[07:12] <mojo_> all posturing and snobbery aside, there are diffs in the designs of the os's
[07:12] <djuuss> Blackwell, maybe, but it still spies on you ;)
[07:12] <Atlas> someone can say me if a gnome applet for folding@home exist?
[07:12] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: i want vmware, to cheap to pay for a license though
[07:12] <Blackwell> kergan: give linux some functional equivalent gui and see the ram being eaten windows-style :)
[07:12] <anir> so wats the panel decided..?? xmss or rythembox?
[07:12] <kergan> Atlas,  thare ant one
[07:12] <mojo_> but i am not sure i could give you a succinct answer cuz i am not all brushed up on that for ya
[07:12] <djuuss> Atlas: apt-cache search gnome applet
[07:12] <djuuss> install all of 'm
[07:12] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i have come to love it at the job. "oops, wrong step - roll back to snapshot state"
[07:12] <djuuss> the big bag of goodies
[07:13] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: lol
[07:13] <kergan> Blackwell,  but if a program crashes it dont take the whole os down like win
[07:13] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: i need a job that will pay for vmware
[07:13] <kergan> linux= moduler
[07:13] <djuuss> modular
[07:13] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: since i don't need to live with linux, vmware is excellent to make use of linux anyway, without the more heavy task of "properly" installing it and getting just everything possible to work with it.
[07:13] <kergan> the left hand dont know why the right hand crashed
[07:13] <mojo_> windows nt, 2000, and stuff from that gene pool is a lot more secure than the windows, windows 95, windows me/you/all your base are belong to us strain
[07:13] <Blackwell> like the poor sobs in here...:)
[07:13] <Blackwell> mp3 players, codecs, dvd, cd-r writing, etc.
[07:13] <djuuss> mojo_ true
[07:14] <Blackwell> all non issues, i can simply enjoy it without fumbling. ;)
[07:14] <djuuss> but they're secure for *inbound* connections. Especially XP phones home like ET on steroids
[07:14] <Blackwell> kergan: if a windows program crashes, that program crashes.
[07:14] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: i just want to run the occasional windows program to test it out
[07:14] <mojo_> nt, or 'new technology', was actually a full-on new os design.  windows and such before that was really a bunch of stuff 'stuck' on top of dos that grew like a polyp that eventuallyu wanted to fall off and walk on its own
[07:15] <Blackwell> if you still think otherwise, consider to update your outdated information. it doesn't hurt, regardless of which side of the fence(s) you are standing.
[07:15] <djuuss> rating: 5 (insightful)
[07:15] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i tried to install vmware on mandrake once...too much fumbling. the windows install on the other hand was a matter of minutes and didn't even require a reboot.
[07:16] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i wanted vmware on that esp. for that purpose, too. ;)
[07:16] <Blackwell> of course someone should shout "Wine" now.
[07:16] <drspin> I've used vmware in gentoo and suse and have had no troubles
[07:16] <kergan> WINE
[07:16] <anir> what command i should use to check if my tv card is installed properly or not??
[07:16] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: so are you running windows on linux or linux on windows?
[07:16] <Blackwell> drspin: then you have mastered the art of kernel recompiles and such successfully. i had a few days of fumbling with getting the matching kernel sources to the installed kernel already...
[07:17] <djuuss> wine or cygwin
[07:17] <djuuss> e
[07:17] <|QuaD-> cygwin? why would someone wnat that?
[07:17] <djuuss> if your running XChat on windows?
[07:17] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i recently installed linux inside a vmware box, hosted on windows. for trying, wet my feet, etc. windows does the media stuff fine for me, so i don't need to bother getting that to work in the linux installation.
[07:18] <Olivier_54> y
[07:18] <djuuss> omg.. just when i'm trying to figure out what distro's to get, distrowatch is down
[07:18] <Blackwell> cygwin? die hard unix hardcore people need it to feel more complete when being forced at gun point to use windows.
[07:18] <mojo_> speaking of kernels, i just installed this ubuntu last night.  it put a generic x86-64 kernel on here.  how do i switch it to the amd64 kernel?  i 'installed' it with synaptic but it still boots to the x86_64 kernel... ???
[07:18] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: why not just install ubuntu and get rid of windows
[07:18] <Blackwell> or so they say...they will still complain about lack of "full" regex support in those commandline tools...
[07:18] <djuuss> woops.. thought distrowatch was a .org
[07:18] <mojo_> distrowatch is back up
[07:19] <mojo_> at least it works for me...
[07:19] <drspin> I'm getting ready to try out ubuntu and if I like it I'll install it today...
[07:19] <Mojo_Jojo> another Q whats the differance between *BSD and Linux?
[07:19] <mojo_> drspin - yeah, i just got this installed yesterday
[07:19] <djuuss> yeah i tried distrowatch.org
[07:19] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: because i am very comfortable with windows and because i don't want to go through the pains that some of the people in here are going through. i am not forced to concern myself with how to get media stuff going on linux that way, and a million other small things.
[07:19] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: whats the difference between an apple and an orange?
[07:19] <djuuss> mojo_: but all they have is livecd's anyhow
[07:19] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: besides - i am not yet fed up with half-life 2.
[07:19] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: thats never a concern :)
[07:20] <drspin> is linux able to read/write NTFS reliably yet?
[07:20] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: thats the reason
[07:20] <Mojo_Jojo> |QuaD that much of a diferance huh..i guess i'll google around later
[07:20] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: ...i have been in this channel for too long to fall for that "no problems with anything on linux" sermon :)
[07:20] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: 2 different OS's
[07:20] <Blackwell> i have been playing with linux for too long for that, too. ;)
[07:20] <Mojo_Jojo> ithought they were both like unix
[07:20] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: if you know what you are doing... there are rarely problems
[07:21] <spikeb> any clue where to find a jre+plugin on ppc that WORKS?
[07:21] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: both are unix clones
[07:21] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: yes, exactly like in windows.
[07:21] <xevil> drspin: as far as I know NTFS can be read but not written to in linux
[07:21] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: yup
[07:21] <Mojo_Jojo> |QuaD ah ok
[07:21] <mojo_> mjjj: bsd is derived from the 'berkely standard distribution'.  back when tv's used tubes and phones had cords, at&t bell labs worked with berkely university on unix development
[07:21] <spikeb> it can be written
[07:21] <spikeb> just dont depend on it not trashing everything
[07:21] <Blackwell> xevil: can be written with that "lifted and jailed" ntfs driver thing.
[07:21] <djuuss> xevil: thats bs
[07:22] <mojo_> the univ released it's own distribution.  berkely is where much of the current networking and security in unix/linux, and much development on internet protocols took place
[07:22] <drspin> xevil: I know that's how it used to be... shame I have a 50GB partition filled with music that I won't be able to modify :/
[07:22] <djuuss> xevil: it writes it blindfolded
[07:22] <convertor> Mojo_, berkley system development....
[07:22] <xevil> he did say reliably...
[07:22] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ ok :)
[07:22] <mojo_> bsd is a gen-u-ine unix derivative, variant, flavor, whatever
[07:22] <Blackwell> drspin: irc lesson: don't rely on information on irc.
[07:22] <mojo_> linux was based on a small os called minix, which i think that unix was actually modelled on in some ways.  i am not so sure on my 'lore' there...
[07:23] <Blackwell> drspin: if you google, you will stumble over that project which incorporates the original ntfs driver file(s) to access ntfs filesystems with read/write access.
[07:23] <|QuaD-> mojo_: WRONG
[07:23] <FITH> Eh?  no, Linux was born because Linus disagreed with the author of Minix..  Andrew Taunenbaum
[07:23] <Blackwell> mojo_: better update :)
[07:23] <djuuss> yeah you rolled a low skillcheck 1d6 there
[07:23] <drspin> blackwell: I know -- I ask to get more than one reponse so I'll be better equipped for research
[07:23] <Blackwell> FITH: because?
[07:23] <mojo_> but anyway, linux was an os project written by linux torvalds inspired by minix, a unix-like OS.  the kernel is the core of the os.  it was so unix-like in structure that it was largely compatible
[07:23] <|QuaD-> linux and BSD are unix CLONES.... linux was built of minix, unix and minix had little or nothing to do wiht eachother
[07:23] <drspin> blackwell: thanks
[07:24] <|QuaD-> FITH: WRONG
[07:24] <FITH> Linus didn't think that a microkernel was the right design
[07:24] <|QuaD-> FITH: wrong again
[07:24] <FITH> for a unix to be built from, etc
[07:24] <zenwhen> well linus was using minix when he wrote Linux
[07:24] <djuuss> no
[07:24] <Blackwell> FITH: so in order to do better he wrote his own?
[07:24] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: wrong
[07:24] <|QuaD-> Minix was used as a teaching os
[07:24] <|QuaD-> never meant to be a primary os
[07:24] <Kamion> Linus wrote Linux 'cos he felt like writing an operating system. The disagreement with Tanenbaum was incidental.
[07:24] <FITH> Blackwell: Yeah, the archives of their conversations at the time are around
[07:24] <mojo_> besides that, most of the 'commands' and such in linux are a suite of programs and utilities that run on top of the os.  much of them come from the gnu project, which stands for GNU's Not Unix.  A recursive acronym (a common geek humor thing).
[07:24] <Blackwell> astonishing what changes information goes through, once it is in someones head.
[07:24] <|QuaD-> the ideas behind it were used to build linux, but it wasn't based of minix
[07:25] <|QuaD-> Kamion: exactly :)
[07:25] <mojo_> the GNU project aimed to write a free 'clone' of all the unix utilities and eventually the whole operating system.
[07:25] <Blackwell> FITH: you said linus developed linux BECAUSE of a disagreement. that is something i have never heard before.
[07:25] <djuuss> there was UNIX but it was wayexpen$ive so they created minix. Linux felt that minix $ucked a$$, and built linux
[07:25] <djuuss> the first linux is Linus :P
[07:25] <|QuaD-> Linus and tanenbaum disagreed but NEVER was that the reason for linux
[07:25] <djuuss> true
[07:26] <|QuaD-> djuuss: minix was meant as a teaching os NOT as a unix clone
[07:26] <Blackwell> mojo_: the gnu project, as i understand it, provides many of the tools that nowadays we come to expect in a unix, i guess. but it started out as providing free alternatives i heard, yes.
[07:26] <spikeb> they disagreed because they're both blowharding asshats
[07:26] <Blackwell> spikeb: everyone's a moron. :)
[07:26] <spikeb> including me!
[07:26] <Blackwell> yeah, me too, and proud of it, dammit.
[07:26] <spikeb> hahah
[07:27] <FITH> Hmm... true I think I did overstate that...   They disagreed and Linus decided to write an OS.. two seperate facts...   If they had agreed Linus might have helped with Minux
[07:27] <djuuss> |QuaD-: i know, but they made minix, as a teaching os, instead of unix, which could be used as a teaching os, but was way to expensive for that purpose
[07:27] <FITH> http://people.fluidsignal.com/~luferbu/misc/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html
[07:27] <drspin> ok - so does anyone know if this NTFS driver http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfsdriver is included in the ubuntu kernel?
[07:27] <drspin> speaking of... what version of the kernel does "warty" use?
[07:27] <djuuss> drspin: there is one, not sure which tho
[07:27] <zenwhen> |QuaD-, I am nearly positive I read Linu was using MINIX when he wrote Linux.
[07:27] <|QuaD-> djuuss: minix was never meant to have anything to do with unix. unix was closed source (i believe) therefore not a teaching os
[07:27] <FITH> "AT: I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-)"
[07:27] <drspin> dj:  as long as it has read without corruption I'll be ok ;)
[07:28] <zenwhen> Linus*
[07:28] <Blackwell> drspin: i would suggest that other project which uses the original driver files.
[07:28] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: he might have been using it to learn on (which he did) but no one "uses" minix
[07:28] <djuuss> drspin: it reads it just fine
[07:28] <drspin> blackwell - ok thanks
[07:28] <drspin> dj - thanks!
[07:29] <zenwhen> |QuaD-, I'll check in on it. I think it was in Linux Magazine. I forget where I read the interview.
[07:29] <mojo_> Okay all.. that was just top of the head stuff.  Mojo Jojo, you can probl'y google for better 'histories' and such
[07:29] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: read again, minix isn't that type of OS
[07:29] <mojo_> i am not really clear on the whole minix thing
[07:29] <Kamion> try the book "Just For Fun"; it's got a good deal of the early history in Linus' own words.
[07:29] <mojo_> don't take my word for more than just hearsay anyway
[07:29] <spikeb> minix is crap for use. good for learning though
[07:29] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ I think I will haha but I did learn a little bit :D
[07:30] <mojo_> mjjj - np, thats the jist
[07:30] <Mojo_Jojo> :)
[07:31] <mojo_> mjjj - i like wikipedia's articles.. was reading on the history of the usenet not too long ago.  interesting stuff
[07:31] <Kamion> he describes how he was dissatisfied with the Minix terminal emulation, so decided to write his own; the terminal emulator grew a disk driver and filesystem code so that he could save things to disk, and it snowballed from there.
[07:31] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ ok i'll check with wkikipedia :)
[07:32] <FITH> Another interesting article is from Andrew T. about "Who wrote linux" ...  Which we wrote when a MS researcher mis-represented him..
[07:32] <FITH> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/
[07:33] <|QuaD-> FITH: thats one of the best linux/minix/origin set of letters i have read, especially the responses from linus and everyone
[07:34] <mojo_> FITH: nice links
[07:34] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah thanks FITH :)
[07:35] <FITH> Yeah, after seeing the junk that MS published at the time, it was nice to see some good come out of it.  I think more people know about the history of Unix because of it :)
[07:35] <mojo_> So BSD is another clone?  I thought it started with bell labs codebase
[07:36] <mojo_> ya learn sumthin new every day
[07:37] <drspin> does ubuntu use SCSI emulation for burning or the new IDE stuff
[07:37] <HauntedUnix> Got a friend who's running ubuntu. He has a 512mb USB mp3 player, and he can't move files larger than 10kb to it. Works fine under windows. He was going to try and format it in linux, but fdisk/cfdisk /dev/sda gives "disc not readable"
[07:37] <HauntedUnix> Any suggestions? :)
[07:39] <mojo_> drspin: you mean seraila ata?  i am not sure.  my sata drive appears as a scsi interface on ubuntu
[07:39] <HauntedUnix> (Works with supermount or manual mounting, by the way)
[07:40] <sjoerd> drspin: scsi emulation shouldn't be used anymore with 2.6 kernels (and thus isn't used in ubuntu)
[07:41] <|QuaD-> alright all, brb gotta change labs
[07:43] <Tyche> I'm having issues with sound. What is the best way to configure it? First time it installed it recognized my sound card, this time it isn't. How do I check drivers or install drivers? I think it is ac97
[07:46] <|QuaD-> i am back :)
[07:47] <|QuaD-> i see i missed a lot
[07:47] <Tyche> Woot Quad is back!
[07:47] <|QuaD-> haha
[07:49] <Tyche> I'm having issues with sound. What is the best way to configure it? First time it installed it recognized my sound card, this time it isn't. How do I check drivers or install drivers? I think it is ac97
[07:51] <mroth> hmm, is anyone else having problems with gnome-window-list on panel since yesterday's distupgrade in hoary?
[07:54] <drspin> what kernel does ubuntu use?
[07:55] <sjoerd> drspin: linux
[07:55] <drspin> warty ;)
[07:55] <drspin> I was meaning version
[07:55] <drspin> LOL
[07:55] <mroth> warty is <IP_ADDRESS>, hoary is currently 2.6.9
[07:56] <spikeb> is hoary using gnome 2.9.x?
[07:56] <t17mh> So I want to compile a new module for my ubuntu kernel. Is there a way to do this without building my own kernel from scratch? The module is provided as a patch to the kernel source.
[07:56] <mroth> spikeb: yes
[07:56] <spikeb> cool
[07:59] <drspin> ok so the liveCD will read my NTFS volume and information just fine -- is it safe to assume that an actual install will perform the same?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> drspin: i can't see why it wouldn't... but remember murphys law
[08:02] <drspin> quad :: aye :: can't trust one linux install to work the same as another... or something like that ;)
[08:03] <|QuaD-> drspin: lol... but i do think i should work
[08:05] <drspin> quad :: so far I like ubuntu more than any other distro - except gentoo but my purpose is different here
[08:06] <Gaaruto> hi
[08:06] <drspin> the music player just crashed on me...
[08:06] <|QuaD-> drspin: are u using xmms?
[08:07] <Gaaruto> how to configure postfix please ? i have a message when i try to install a soft
[08:07] <drspin> Quad :: I'm using the LiveCD and it has RhythmBox -- but it won't let me play any mp3 files and it crashed when I loaded a radio station
[08:08] <|QuaD-> drspin: i don't know too much about RhythmBox, I prefer xmms... lightweight and stable
[08:09] <BrettMeister> Have WindowsXP w/ a C and D recovery partition on a hard drive with about 34 gig open.  Have PartionMagic.  How many partitions will ubu need when I install?
[08:09] <drspin> quad :: yes I know XMMS and like it's interface
[08:09] <sjoerd> BrettMeister: create one free partition, you can partition further during install
[08:10] <drspin> it does lack much of what RhythmBox made up for in usability -- especially when dealing with a 6000 song library
[08:10] <drspin> I like iTunes... but not for linux... yet...
[08:10] <Quest-Master> I heard Rhythmbox crashes if you load too many songs
[08:10] <drspin> 1 mp3 file...
[08:10] <Quest-Master> I prefer beep-media-player anyhow
[08:10] <Quest-Master> Or you could try RealPlayer10 for Linux. Heard that works pretty well too.
[08:10] <Quest-Master> Based off of the Helix Player.
[08:11] <drspin> it says "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[08:11] <manoupe> hi
[08:11] <|QuaD-> i am VERY dissapointed with apple's rendezvous client
[08:11] <BrettMeister> Thanks.  What size of partition for ubu? I forgot to ask.
[08:11] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[08:11] <Quest-Master> You have to install one.
[08:11] <etorix> i hear xoveroffice runs itunes
[08:11] <drspin> etorix -- it does but it's not worth it... slow and VERY unstable
[08:11] <|QuaD-> when i read about rendezvous it sounded cool, i figured anyone in the same subnet
[08:11] <|QuaD-> littlee did i know
[08:11] <|QuaD-> it is LAN's not subnets!
[08:11] <etorix> heh
[08:11] <manoupe> can someone tell me which package to install in order to have gcc, make, autoconf etc ... ?
[08:11] <drspin> -devel
[08:12] <etorix> ubu .. who let alfred jarry in here
[08:12] <drspin> XMMS is not on the liveCD :
[08:12] <drspin> :/
[08:12] <|QuaD-> drspin: so install ubuntu
[08:12] <rolfzor> manoupe: build-essential
[08:13] <sjoerd> drspin: xmms sucks anyway
[08:13] <manoupe> ok rolfzor, thank a lot :)
[08:13] <BrettMeister> What size of partition does Ubunto need?
[08:13] <manoupe> sure
[08:13] <etorix> xfmedia from xfce4 is my least buggy musicplayer ..on 64-bit
[08:14] <rolfzor> manoupe: it doesn't seem to include autoconf though
[08:14] <manoupe> okay, so I'll install it manually :)
[08:14] <etorix> Get:45 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main bicyclerepair 0.9-3ubuntu1 [110kB]
[08:14] <etorix> bicyclerepair??
[08:15] <etorix> bash: bicyclerepair: command not found
[08:15] <mroth> apt-cache show bicyclerepair
[08:17] <drspin> so the 2.6 kernel seems a bit snappier...
[08:17] <drspin> or perhaps it's the version of X that this Live CD uses
[08:18] <FITH> Hmm...  interesting...  is xfmedia in a deb, or compiled yourself?
[08:18] <FITH> (Admitidly I'm searching on a Deb-Unstable machine, but I can't find it)
[08:18] <Gaaruto> how to configure postfix please ?
[08:19] <etorix> erm .. i hace access to a 64-bit repository for xfce4
[08:19] <etorix> have*
[08:19] <FITH> Hmm... I'll keep looking...  could be that Deb (or even Deb-i386) doesn't have it
[08:19] <etorix> FITH: 32-bit comes from os-cillation
[08:21] <theNeonGod> any way i can 'browse' available networked printers? i can access the smb shares of the computer that has the shared printer, but i put in what i thought was ther right host, location, etc, and its not printing.
[08:21] <mojo_> hey etorix:  which platform u runnin?
[08:22] <etorix> FITH:  i know the 64-bit works cos im on it .. the 32-bit debs are at  http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37
[08:22] <etorix> ubuntu 64-bit
[08:22] <FITH> Ah, cool, I'll check it out, thanks!
[08:22] <etorix> hoary hedghog or so
[08:22] <etorix> its gnome-friendly
[08:23] <mojo_> etorix:  just built this amd athalon64 system yesterday and installed ubuntu-64
[08:23] <etorix> i cant tell u its ubuntu-friendly on 32-bit tho
[08:23] <etorix> but i have no issues on 64-bit
[08:23] <mojo_> etorix: it put on the x86_64 kernel, and i was wondering how to change it to the amd64 kernel.  i 'installed' it via synaptic but it didn't 'take'.
[08:24] <FITH> Hmm, I'll have to try out the XFCE4.2 stuff when I get home... I've got both a 32-bit and a AMD64-bit box to play with
[08:24] <etorix> ah .. i debootstrapped a debian-amd64 awhile ago .. this is the first formal 64-bit distro
[08:24] <mojo_> it seems to be running just fine.  i just saw the _amd64 versions when scanning the software in synaptic and thought i may as well start out with the properly optimized kernel image
[08:25] <etorix> i havent got round to kernel-changing yet
[08:25] <pdaoust> now here's a curious problem: whenever I go to a page with Japanese encoding -- NHK, MegaTokyo, Google Japan -- Firefox dies on me. anyone else have this issue?
[08:25] <etorix> yeah .. right
[08:26] <pdaoust> oh wait -- Google Japan doesn't have that problem
[08:26] <titcheo> bonsoir
[08:27] <etorix> hmm .. they got embedde nippon-fonts or what
[08:27] <pdaoust> evening
[08:27] <pdaoust> etorix: I'll check
[08:27] <|QuaD-> drspin: so install ubuntu
[08:27] <|QuaD-> blah
[08:27] <|QuaD-> sorry bout that
[08:28] <puxi> Hola?
[08:28] <ska1> hi, when using vim, when i press enter after a comment line, the next line starts with a comment automatically, how to stop that?
[08:29] <pdaoust> ohhhhhhh I don't like vim; I'm used to GUI stuff :-/
[08:29] <FITH> ska1: <take with a grain of salt>  Install emacs!
[08:29] <drspin> is is possible that the media players are unable to use my music files due to them being on an NTFS partition?
[08:30] <etorix> very likely
[08:30] <ska1> pdaoust, FITH:hmm, i've been wired to work with vim so can't change now
[08:30] <drspin> damn
[08:30] <ska1> :)
[08:30] <drspin> well I'm going to reboot... backup my data and install ubuntu
[08:30] <pdaoust> drspin: it is possible, but... I don't know how likely. Can any other programs use any other files on your NTFS partition?
[08:31] <FITH> would have thought if they can be read they would be usable...
[08:31] <etorix> captive?
[08:31] <ska1> fun to use strange keys inside vim, as if like magic, emacs is also equally good, but my first love was vim, so can't change now though
[08:31] <etorix> its a bit slow innit?
[08:31] <drspin> pdaoust: not sure -- the file manager (nautilus I think) will accurately gather properties for files and whatnot
[08:31] <pdaoust> FITH: yeah, I think so too
[08:31] <ska1> drspin: run the command "file /path/to/nts/file"
[08:31] <pdaoust> drspin: in a non-root account?
[08:31] <FITH> i.e. if you can do "cp /ntfs-stuff/britney.mp3 /tmp"   then it should  just work
[08:31] <ska1> drspin: if that command returns the file type, then reading the file is not the problem any more :)
[08:32] <pdaoust> hmmmmmm, okay, this character set thingy I'm having problems with... it appears that all the websites that have problems are in ShiftJIS (x-sjis) encoding... don't know why that would make Firefox bail
[08:32] <mroth> my gnome-window-switcher on panel recently started to refuse to be wider than maybe 200px, so everything is crammed into a tiny space.. it wont expand to full width of panel bar.  any ideas on what woudl cause that?
[08:32] <Atlas_> britney powaa :p
[08:32] <FITH> lol
[08:32] <pdaoust> mroth: gnomes
[08:32] <pdaoust> that's what cause it
[08:32] <pdaoust> computer gnomes
[08:33] <mroth> I always knew it
[08:33] <pdaoust> sometimes the stupidest answer is the most plausible ^_^
[08:33] <mojo_> gnomes - half breed from an elf and a gremlin huh?
[08:33] <pdaoust> in all seriousness, mroth, you've tried all the settings you can find?
[08:33] <mojo_> lol
[08:33] <spikeb> great news
[08:33] <spikeb> i finally got my ubuntu cds today :)
[08:33] <mroth> pdaoust: yeah, it doesnt seem to care what the 'max' width is set to at all, and I've tried removing/readding it and rebooting
[08:34] <drspin> is it possible that on the LiveCD - there isn't an mp3 codec??
[08:34] <drspin> because I get thge same thing in
[08:34] <kebac> i heard that it is because of USA
[08:34] <pdaoust> drspin: you are correct
[08:34] <drspin> pdaoust: there is no mp3 codec on the LiveCD...
[08:35] <pdaoust> drspin: looking in the Ubuntu Wiki, you'll find a page called RestrictedFormats, which helps you with installing MP3 codecs, Flash, Java, etc
[08:35] <pdaoust> mroth: ohhhhhh, I reread it, and I have an idea, but the phone is for me
[08:35] <mojo_> yeah our usa... we tell you we wanna export our democracy but in reality we just want to export our restrictive laws
[08:35] <drspin> ... how can I be productive in this environment that I'm testing if I can't listen to my music...
[08:36] <ska1> drspin:well said ;)
[08:36] <ska1> drspin: so have you been able to access that britney file after all?
[08:36] <mojo_> lol@drspon well said
[08:36] <drspin> a live CD should include support for MP3, OGG, AAC (maybe),
[08:36] <etorix> ~hitme baby~
[08:37] <drspin> LOL
[08:37] <drspin> it was Nsync
[08:37] <drspin> ;)
[08:37] <drspin> just because it was the first one in my music folder
[08:37] <drspin> ;)
[08:38] <mojo_> i try to get most my music lossless, convert my shns to flac.  shame you can't just convert an mp3 to another (lossy) format w/o furter degradation
[08:38] <drspin> a liveCD should also include a flash and shockwave plugin...
[08:38] <drspin> mojo_ it's because the frequencies that are removed from say an OGG file are very different than those from an MP3 file
[08:39] <pdaoust> drspin: unfortunately Macromedia hasn't released Shockwave for Linux yet... you can get it working with Crossover Plugin, I've heard, but that costs $
[08:39] <sjoerd> drspin: please provide a free flash and shockwave plugin
[08:39] <mojo_> drspin: yeah, i know (but thx).  it's just a shame thats all.  if i could, i'd just conv. them all and be done with mp3s
[08:40] <drspin> sjoerd: yes... I'm working on that as fast windowmaker makes updates ;)
[08:40] <spikeb> lol
[08:40] <sjoerd> drspin: and please solve the patent issues with mp3 and stuff like that too :)
[08:40] <spikeb> there is a free flash plugin
[08:40] <pdaoust> okay, mroth, I think I know what your problem is -- I bet you anything there's an evil invisible panel applet that's preventing your taskbar from expanding any further. Fill up your taskbar with tasks (if it's not already full to its maximum 200px) and right-click on the empty space immediately after the taskbar... I bet you there's an invisible icon there
[08:40] <spikeb> swfdec
[08:40] <sjoerd> drspin: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:41] <spikeb> patents on MP3 expire in 06 or 07, as well
[08:41] <spikeb> not too shabby
[08:41] <sjoerd> spikeb: last time i tried that it gave more problems then it solved unfortunately...
[08:41] <mroth> pdaoust: if there is, i cant find it.. I've tried moving the panel applet all around and it hasnt made a difference, and i cant find anything invis
[08:41] <mroth> i tried jumping it up to the top panel too, no diff
[08:42] <pdaoust> mroth: poopy
[08:42] <mroth> yeah :/
[08:42] <mroth> this happened on my laptop once in debian, but it went away after a reboot
[08:42] <pdaoust> mroth: well, there was my one good idea... my brain is now empty for the day :-/
[08:42] <spikeb> heh on my box swfdec is only good for pretending to do flash
[08:42] <drspin> sjoerd: while I'm at it I'll go ahead and solve the usability issues and I'll sue SCO and I'll develop a kernel that can recompile itself on the fly without a reboot...
[08:42] <spikeb> it doesnt actually do it, but it keeps firefox happy
[08:42] <mroth> pdaoust: heh, thanks for trying
[08:42] <pdaoust> mroth: no prob
[08:42] <Haukkari> Does ubuntu have mini install cd's?
[08:42] <Haukkari> Those would be nice
[08:42] <sjoerd> drspin: nope, if you solve those two i'll be happy already :)
[08:43] <Haukkari> I don't want to download the big and fat 600 megabyte cd. :/
[08:43] <mroth> i dont think they current make any mini-cds.. nor a network-install thing, which is too bad, since i know a lot of people who want that
[08:43] <drspin> sjoerd: well damn - I'm sorry my goals are too high for you ;)
[08:43] <mojo_> Q:  Mandrake spoiled me... diskdrake was easy to mount partitions with... anyone know if Ubuntu has an easy utility, or can you point me at the howto or sumthin?  I have some partitions from previous install with all my media files and I need to mount and move them.  also have a new hard drive to part and format
[08:43] <mroth> i've heard some people use the debian network install, and then abort it and change the apt repositories to ubuntu, and then update, heh
[08:44] <drspin> mojo :: if you setup your fstab properly you can just type "mount Label"
[08:44] <sjoerd> drspin: obviously i don't mind if you solve al the worlds problems :)
[08:44] <drspin> sjoerd: so much pressure :/
[08:44] <mojo_> drspin so i just man fstab and go from there?
[08:44] <drspin> mojo: aye
[08:44] <mojo_> thx
[08:45] <drspin> yw :)
[08:45] <drspin> the linux noob helps someone :D
[08:45] <mojo_> :D
[08:45] <treke> anyone know of a gnome-vfs capable text editor in ubuntu?
[08:45] <mmpf> hi@all
[08:46] <pdaoust> exit
[08:46] <mojo_> <///////#~~  (pfffft) Hi mmpf
[08:46] <pdaoust> whoa
[08:46] <pdaoust> that's not a console window
[08:47] <pdaoust> :-D
[08:47] <mojo_> (cough) :D
[08:47] <mmpf> can i somehow install kde3.3 on ubuntu?
[08:49] <Blackwell> mmpf: same way as on debian?
[08:49] <spikeb> heh
[08:49] <spikeb> mmpf, i wouldn't.
[08:49] <spikeb> use debian proper instead.
[08:50] <CheatersRealm> ok, I can either a) sit here and be bored, or b) install ubuntu
[08:51] <mmpf> but i can't find the debian-server for the amd64 port
[08:51] <spikeb> oh
[08:51] <spikeb> i can find it
[08:51] <spikeb> but i wouldnt use that iether
[08:51] <spikeb> heh
[08:51] <mojo_> wwyd spikeb?
[08:51] <mmpf> where do you find them
[08:51] <mojo_> (hehe)
[08:51] <spikeb> mojo_ i'm not quite sure
[08:51] <spikeb> mmpf, hang on i will look
[08:51] <mojo_> lol
[08:51] <mmpf> k
[08:52] <etorix> why not?
[08:52] <etorix> amd64 is at alioth
[08:52] <Haukkari> Is "Hoary Hedgehog" meant like Old Hegdgehog or a White Hedgehog? =)
[08:52] <spikeb> mmpf, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/
[08:52] <udssr> my ssh server will let people in, that dont have a public rsa key in my files allthough i told him not to do so
[08:52] <gen> heakkari, it sleeps around
[08:53] <gen> haukarri*
[08:53] <udssr> he just asks for a password
[08:53] <udssr> not a passphrase
[08:53] <mmpf> but somehow i didn't get apt work on my amd64
[08:54] <theNeonGod> how do i restart smbd?
[08:54] <udssr> ./etc/init.d/smbd restart
[08:54] <mojo_> "./etc"?
[08:54] <etorix> apt has to work
[08:54] <mmpf> i'll keep on trying...
[08:54] <theNeonGod> udssr, not in /etc/init.d. does that mean i'm not running it?
[08:54] <udssr> you can do sh instead of the dot too
[08:55] <mojo_> oh..
[08:55] <udssr> actually its /etc/init.d/samba
[08:56] <theNeonGod> not there either
[08:56] <mojo_> i thought "./" in front of cmd like "./configure" was to get bash or whatever to execute from current directory.  So shouldn't the "./etc" in your exa. just have been "/etc"?  forgive my ignorance if i am missin sumthin
[08:57] <udssr> dunno
[08:57] <theNeonGod> udssr, my bad. samba not installed. can this be why i cant connect to a windows printer?
[08:57] <udssr> :-)
[08:57] <mojo_> rotf
[08:57] <udssr> yes...maybe :-)
[08:58] <theNeonGod> udssr, thought the samba package was just to _serve_ files and printers to windows tho?
[08:58] <udssr> let ma check
[08:58] <theNeonGod> "The Samba software suite is a collection of programs that
[08:58] <theNeonGod> implements the SMB protocol for unix systems, allowing you to serve
[08:58] <theNeonGod> files and printers to Windows, NT, OS/2 and DOS clients. This protocol
[08:58] <theNeonGod> is sometimes also referred to as the LanManager or NetBIOS protocol."
[08:58] <mmpf> i always thougt that cups is used to connect to windows printers
[08:58] <theNeonGod> yeah... i think thats running
[08:59] <theNeonGod> just that none of my windows printers are showing up
[08:59] <udssr> ahhhm...
[09:00] <udssr> i dont really know...im not using printers :-)
[09:00] <spikeb> ooh
[09:00] <spikeb> are you guys going to have free cds for hoary too?
[09:00] <mmpf> have you tried with cups theNeonGod?
[09:00] <theNeonGod> mmpf, i think so. cups runs by default, yes?
[09:01] <mmpf> i think you need cups to use your printer
[09:01] <mmpf> but i've never used a printer on ubuntu, only on mandrake
[09:02] <spikeb> cups is installed by default on ubuntu
[09:08] <virtex> I need help with an ATI problem if anyone has an experience with ATI, Fglrx, and Mesa... i can't Direct Rendering to work, as well as the Opengl is still being done by Mesa :( even tho it's all installed
[09:09] <s0cks> Hi.
[09:09] <sipstar> Hello
[09:10] <Tdot> umm ubuntu definitley didn't ask me for a root password
[09:11] <s0cks> Tdot : There is a reason for that.
[09:11] <Tdot> explain please
[09:12] <s0cks> Ubuntu doesn't use a root I think.
[09:12] <s0cks> I still am not even using ubuntu.
[09:12] <spikeb> nope, it doesn't
[09:12] <Tdot> how do you control things?
[09:12] <s0cks> w00t! The n00b was right.
[09:12] <Tdot> and why is root in /etc/passwd
[09:12] <spikeb> Tdot, sudo
[09:12] <virtex> there is still a root account
[09:12] <spikeb> because root exists, it's just disabled.
[09:12] <Tdot> ah
[09:13] <Tdot> weird
[09:13] <spikeb> nah
[09:13] <Tdot> ...different, not weird
[09:13] <virtex> actually if you change the password you can use it all you want
[09:13] <spikeb> osx does the same thing heh
[09:13] <dreamer> it's a bloody good idea imo
[09:14] <Tdot> will it screw anything up if i cheat and change the root passwd
[09:14] <spikeb> im not sure
[09:14] <s0cks> Tdot : No.
[09:14] <virtex> it hasn't done anything to my system
[09:14] <Tdot> k
[09:14] <virtex> anyone here got the ATI drivers working properly ?
[09:14] <spikeb> i have.
[09:14] <s0cks> ATi = outdated.
[09:14] <virtex> I have them installed and everything... but it's still using Mesa :(
[09:14] <Tdot> yeah just did sudo xterm and changed it
[09:14] <Tdot> thanks
[09:15] <virtex> anyideas... direct rendering is still off too
[09:16] <jocco> Hi, Thanks for Ubuntu, is there a Virus scan installed by default, or  a popular one I can apt-get? TIA :)
[09:17] <Tdot> ive never had use a virus scanner in linux
[09:17] <etorix> for win-viruses?
[09:17] <Atlas_> lol
[09:17] <etorix> rootkithunters ok
[09:18] <s0cks> The cases weigh 50 pounds. :-\
[09:18] <Atlas_> someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please?
[09:19] <etorix> id prefer to get electricsheep
[09:20] <etorix> but it doesnt like xorg
[09:20] <pwhiting> newbie apt-get question: I'm doing an "apt-get install dialog" and it ends up wanting to remove 79 packages - things like wget, adduser, udev, ...
[09:21] <etorix> is it replacing them?
[09:21] <etorix> i installed xdialog .. that went ok
[09:21] <pwhiting> no - 1 install, 79 removes, and 0 upgrades
[09:22] <jocco> is there wine for Ubuntu?
[09:22] <etorix> hmm .. dont then
[09:22] <jocco> or something for running windows applications?
[09:23] <Atlas_> someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please :o(?
[09:23] <etorix> wine should be on 32-bit
[09:24] <jocco> I just looked in synaptic, after update, no WINE
[09:24] <etorix> i have wine-doc available .. no wine
[09:25] <CheatersRealm> omg, I am officially stupid
[09:25] <CheatersRealm> I definately forgot to bring a few cd's home from college to burn stuff
[09:25] <spikeb> wine ought to be among the supported packages.
[09:26] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, heh
[09:26] <CheatersRealm> now I have to use a 4x crap from my parets
[09:26] <Atlas_> someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please :o(?
[09:26] <spikeb> Atlas_, i would, but i know nothing about it.
[09:26] <etorix> it should be in non-free or .. restric?ted
[09:26] <CheatersRealm> brb, with a cd and some snacks to install ubuntu
[09:26] <spikeb> etorix, wine? no.
[09:26] <Atlas_> :(
[09:27] <Tdot> lol
[09:27] <etorix> well i know its not available for 64-bit yet
[09:27] <spikeb> i hope these guys plan on taking more stuff out of universe and into supported as the releases go on
[09:28] <etorix> it doesnt build either
[09:28] <jocco> I have warty, is that like SID or woody 0o ?
[09:29] <spikeb> jocco, warty is similar to SID
[09:30] <jocco> Thanks :)
[09:30] <spikeb> jocco, they froze sid, updated GNOME and did some other things, and called it warty (to oversimplify)
[09:30] <CheatersRealm> ok, so I'm about to install warty
[09:30] <xskoulax> anyone having problems with gaim the last couple days?
[09:31] <spikeb> xskoulax, not any more htan usual
[09:31] <spikeb> (stupid msn switchboard server)
[09:31] <xskoulax> oh yea forgot about its support for msn
[09:32] <xskoulax> let me clarify, problems with aim on gaim
[09:32] <spikeb> nope, i don't use aim heh
[09:34] <CheatersRealm> warty install is just text to start with right?
[09:35] <spikeb> it's just text install
[09:35] <spikeb> but rather painless
[09:35] <CheatersRealm> just needed to make sure I didn't need my mouse yet
[09:35] <xskoulax> CheatersRealm, you ever installed linux?
[09:35] <Tdot> os[Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 - Debian testing/unstable]  up[57 minutes]  cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz, 1600.381 MHz (3153.92 bogomips)]  mem[247.01/250.92 MB (98.4%)]  video[ at 1280x1024 (24 bits)]
[09:35] <Tdot> why is my memory always so high?
[09:35] <Tdot> no way it's actually using that much
[09:35] <spikeb> Tdot, it might be lying
[09:35] <xskoulax> thats whats free prehaps
[09:35] <xskoulax> ?
[09:35] <etorix> linux uses it all
[09:36] <spikeb> Tdot, try free -m and look at the buffers/cache line
[09:36] <etorix> its still available
[09:36] <Tdot> Buffers:         25148 kB
[09:36] <Tdot> Cached:          93204 kB
[09:36] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, yes, several times
[09:36] <Tdot> -/+ buffers/cache:        128        122
[09:36] <CheatersRealm> I'm just unvovering things on my desk as I need them
[09:36] <Tdot> thats better i suppose
[09:37] <spikeb> much better
[09:37] <xskoulax> ahhh ok CheatersRealm, should be plain sailing then
[09:37] <Tdot> now i just habe to dump gnome
[09:37] <Tdot> this is killing it lol
[09:37] <spikeb> bleck
[09:37] <spikeb> i wouldn't use ubuntu at all if i didn't want gnome heh
[09:37] <Tdot> lol
[09:37] <Tdot> i just liked trying new distros
[09:38] <Tdot> like*
[09:38] <spikeb> heh
[09:38] <ozan> Hi, Everytime during starting progress i get "PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error." message. (actually it started to appear after i changed my motherboard) This message tells me to add "nobiospnp" option to operate stably. I just don't know where to add this option or what to do to fix this problem?
[09:38] <spikeb> well, to me the point of ubuntu is a gnome desktop distro
[09:38] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, I'm lost, where are all the emerge commands :)
[09:38] <spikeb> otherwise i could use debian proper
[09:38] <Tdot> why would someone make a distro based on using gnome with it
[09:38] <Tdot> lol
[09:39] <spikeb> ask the ubuntu devs
[09:39] <CheatersRealm> because kde is huge, so it takes a wihle to make kde as nice as they made gnome
[09:39] <Tdot> kde sucks too
[09:39] <Tdot> i use fluxbox on slackware
[09:40] <etorix> im using xfce4 x64
[09:40] <CheatersRealm> Tdot, oh yeah? well I use my own hand coded wm on lfs ! (ok, not really.)
[09:40] <jocco> yea, is there an easy way to install Blackbox or IceWM? like from Apt-get?
[09:40] <Tdot> haha
[09:40] <spikeb> apt-get install fluxbox
[09:40] <spikeb> heh
[09:40] <Tdot> xfce looked nice with this livecd i tried
[09:40] <jocco> thanks
[09:40] <CheatersRealm> I kinda liked xfce
[09:40] <Tdot> it looked decent
[09:41] <Tdot> but it probably took a while to get it that way
[09:41] <etorix> it uses gnome-libs
[09:41] <CheatersRealm> I like kde and gnome for the most part, other than their bulkyness..
[09:41] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, what live vd was it?
[09:41] <Gwildor|Work> cd*
[09:41] <Tdot> Whoppix
[09:41] <Gwildor|Work> brb......
[09:41] <Tdot> mod of knoppix
[09:41] <spikeb> heh
[09:41] <spikeb> whoppix
[09:41] <etorix> slack -current is a bit froz since pat got ill
[09:41] <CheatersRealm> knoppix might have it.. (xfce)
[09:41] <jocco> nope no fluxbox :(
[09:42] <spikeb> etorix, he's back
[09:42] <xskoulax> lol CheatersRealm
[09:42] <CheatersRealm> :)
[09:42] <etorix> o0o .. they busy boys in xfce
[09:42] <Gwildor|Work> fluxbox is apt-getable
[09:42] <CheatersRealm> alright.. it's just installing now..
[09:43] <CheatersRealm> not even fedora is this easy
[09:43] <Gwildor|Work> spikeb, got a screenshot of whoppix?
[09:43] <etorix> xfce4.2-rc3 is out this week .. in time for xmas
[09:43] <spikeb> Gwildor|Work, no, but CheatersRealm might
[09:43] <jocco> I cant get it :( I tried xfce too
[09:43] <etorix> well if slack did a 64-bit ..
[09:43] <spikeb> jocco, they're probably in universe
[09:44] <Gwildor|Work> CheatersRealm, got a screenshot of whoppix?
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> Gwildor, nope, never used it.
[09:44] <|QuaD-> whoppix?
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> I did google it tho
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, mod of knoppix
[09:44] <Tdot> whoppix is pretty nice
[09:44] <Tdot> i use it for wireless wardriving
[09:44] <Tdot> on my lappy
[09:44] <etorix> *whoppix*
[09:44] <spikeb> RC3 will be 4.2 final if all goes well
[09:44] <etorix> heh
[09:44] <|QuaD-> Everything is a mod of knoppix
[09:44] <|QuaD-> it seems like
[09:44] <etorix> cool
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, gentoo isn't
[09:44] <Tdot> i dont like knoppix
[09:44] <Tdot> whoppix is coo though
[09:44] <Tdot> :P
[09:45] <etorix> overclockix had the best fluxbox
[09:45] <spikeb> ubuntu's livecd used to be a ripoff of knoppix's name
[09:45] <spikeb> heh
[09:45] <Tdot> ubuntuix ?
[09:45] <Tdot> hjeh
[09:45] <spikeb> no
[09:45] <spikeb> gnoppix
[09:45] <xskoulax> hah
[09:45] <Gwildor|Work> gnoppix is not ubuntu live
[09:45] <Pozac> it is now
[09:46] <CheatersRealm> wow, ubuntu wins so far for ease of install - 1st reboot now
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> i just burned one
[09:46] <Gwildor|Work> not the same...still different
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> and it wouldn't boot.
[09:46] <jocco> holy shit!!! the universial directory is HUGE, thankyou for showing me that :) looks like lots of cool stuff :)
[09:46] <Gwildor|Work> knoppix is knoppix ...the K is for KDE......gnoppix for GNOME
[09:46] <spikeb> jocco, it's completely unsupported and may or may not work.
[09:46] <Tdot> universal directory?
[09:46] <Tdot> is that an apt-get source /
[09:46] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, yeah
[09:46] <Tdot> whats the link heh
[09:47] <jocco> yea you can find them in synaptic repository lists
[09:47] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, you already have it, just uncomment it in synaptic....or manually
[09:47] <mojo_> ubuntu didn't install the xfonts core on my system... took a good hour (for me) to figure that one out.  apt was nice though and it ran fine once the basic fonts were there for it.
[09:47] <Tdot> duh
[09:47] <Tdot> lol
[09:47] <Tdot> i was looking right at it
[09:47] <spikeb> heh
[09:47] <Tdot> but only the security one clicked in my head
[09:47] <mojo_> other than that ubuntu install was pretty painless
[09:48] <Gwildor|Work> lol
[09:48] <spikeb> makes me angry that gnoppix-warty has bootsplash and no installer, and the ubuntu install cd has installer and no bootsplash
[09:48] <spikeb> heh
[09:48] <jocco> ooOOOO000OOOOooo Neat Quake 2 is free :)
[09:48] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, you can add multiverse too, while you are there..........
[09:48] <mojo_> multiverse?
[09:48] <etorix> i have shedloads of pythons installing/upgrading
[09:48] <goonie> hi all.. I need some help with dual display. I have my laptop and an extra monitor and I wanted to extend my desktop to my extra monitor. How do I do this?
[09:48] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, where it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[09:48] <spikeb> mojo_, the equivelent of non-free
[09:48] <spikeb> iirc
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> what is iirc?
[09:49] <spikeb> if i recall correctly
[09:49] <CheatersRealm> is it supposed to be download a ton of stuff now?
[09:49] <mojo_> AAAAHHHH!!!  That is where the codecs live huh? ;)
[09:49] <CheatersRealm> Gwildor, if i remember correctly
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> ahhhhhhhh
[09:49] <Tdot> ok
[09:49] <Tdot> whats multiverse?
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> non free
[09:49] <spikeb> non-free applications
[09:49] <Tdot> ah
[09:49] <etorix> goonie:  look on here: etorix: 'nvidiaconfig' could be http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nv-online/
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> but are free there...........i dont get it
[09:50] <CheatersRealm> am I supposed to be downloading almost 600 programs?
[09:50] <Tdot> haha
[09:50] <goonie> etorix thx :)
[09:50] <will> hehe
[09:50] <Tdot> i downloaded 4 gigs of iso's while i slept last night
[09:50] <Pozac> Tdot, for more unsupported repositories see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[09:50] <Tdot> thanks
[09:50] <Tdot> brb time to make fluxbox work
[09:50] <xskoulax> CheatersRealm, i'm guessing its getting updated packages
[09:50] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, is it getting x for the first time?
[09:51] <spikeb> heh cool
[09:51] <spikeb> breakmyubutnu
[09:51] <CheatersRealm> or is it just getting an x patch to upgrade?
[09:51] <xskoulax> mmmm not sure
[09:51] <FITH> The upgrade from Warty to Horay was about 440mb last night
[09:51] <mojo_> how do i add the multiverse as a source for apt?
[09:51] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, cuz X for the first time is ~40mb, which means I can go take a nap
[09:51] <xskoulax> last install i did was 3 months ago
[09:52] <xskoulax> so i can't exactly remember
[09:52] <spikeb> hmm
[09:52] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, in synaptic.......where it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[09:52] <CheatersRealm> wow
[09:52] <CheatersRealm> after unpacking 1.2 gb will be used
[09:52] <spikeb> FITH, how's hoary working right now
[09:52] <jocco> quake2 dont work, BUmmer /
[09:52] <Pozac> jocco, got opengl?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> works well I just updated a box last night
[09:52] <jocco> yea :)
[09:52] <etorix>  quake2 is a bit old now
[09:52] <xskoulax> jocco, i think thats just the linux point release
[09:53] <xskoulax> not the data files too
[09:53] <spikeb> is usplash available/working yet? :)
[09:53] <etorix> "universe multiverse" .. will that work on 64-bit too?
[09:53] <mojo_> Gwildor|Work: I don't get it... under settings > repositories?
[09:53] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[09:53] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, scroll down to the "universe" repo..........
[09:54] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, and in the line that says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[09:54] <Tdot> well that didnt go too well
[09:54] <Tdot> heh
[09:54] <spikeb> i might try hoary out
[09:54] <spikeb> :)
[09:54] <CheatersRealm> in the bottom right, I have this thing that says '8m52s' is that the estimated time left (it's running apt)
[09:54] <Tdot> what file do you change the runlevel from /
[09:54] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, cool
[09:54] <Tdot> somewhere in /etc/init.d/ im guessing
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> Tdot: what do you want to do
[09:55] <mojo_> Gwildor - Okay I *think* I follow now.. but do i want to clone those entries and make new ones or do i want to replace/edit them?
[09:55] <Tdot> get rid of gdm
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/init.dgdm stop
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:55] <spikeb> HrdwrBoB, so right about now would be a good time to upgrade to hoary and have a working install, eh? :)
[09:55] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, just edit them............
[09:55] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, or you can duplicate them, and have one for universe, and one for multiverse
[09:55] <lukins> ahh, someone else here tried to upgrade to hoary and got hosed
[09:56] <lukins> guess why I'm here
[09:56] <Gaaruto> hi
[09:56] <Gaaruto> i have a pb to install gdesklets
[09:56] <mojo_> Gwildor: okay so it won't matter which way then..
[09:56] <Pozac> mojo, my line says "main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:56] <spikeb> hoary's xorg was broken a couple nights ago