[12:14] <drkns> nicon trial and error might work here
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: of course, as soon as i saw Internet Explorer i knew it was BS with the article released today saying they won't even ship WINE on the dell machines
[12:14] <dsmith_> hah, you know what your right
[12:14] <dsmith_> wtf
[12:14] <dsmith_> Shuttleworth did say that
[12:14] <dsmith_> you do need wine for that to work
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[12:15] <logixoul> hi. can anyone help with http://rafb.net/p/B04YKq18.html ? I'm in the Kubuntu LiveCD right now.
[12:15] <Dinofly> nicon-: just to be sure: are you expecting kate to open INSIDE the konsole window ?
[12:15] <dsmith_> LIES!
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> and if that were actually the desktop they were going to use, they were setting themselves up for failure
[12:15] <drkns> ok good fellas pls let me know if you know how to fix my wireless card speed to 54mbts/sec rather than 18mbits/sec
[12:15] <dsmith_> how come?
[12:15] <dsmith_> kinda bland if you ask me
[12:16] <Lamington> I already used Automatix2... Haven't noticed any problems... If I haven't noticed any problems, should I expect any ?
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> please stay on topic. if you aren't asking for help or getting support, please see #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> non-functional and ugly, looks as bad as the packard bell program launcher did back in the 90s
[12:16] <nicon-> cannot connect to x server?
[12:16] <Lamington> Didn't realise it was bad
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Lamington: i hope you don't have to remove anything
[12:16] <drkns> nicon did you played with your xorg.conf file???
[12:16] <atrax> hi everyone
[12:16] <nicon-> drkns: nope
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: while i realize that what i said is purely a subjective view of the desktop, a lot of people would hate it and not know how to change it.
[12:17] <Lamington> Daisuke_Ido: Why is that ?
[12:17] <drkns> because i had the same problem while trying to install latest ati driver
[12:17] <nicon-> Hm, maybe other problem...
[12:17] <drkns> xorg.conf file was the problem
[12:17] <nicon-> I did apt-get install banshee...
[12:18] <nicon-> And i did install this banshee..
[12:18] <drkns> when i tried ti kate it it said cannot connect to x-server
[12:18] <nicon-> But it don't works
[12:18] <nicon-> Any idea?
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Lamington: automatix has a habit of forcing things to install which can cause issues if you have to remove some things
[12:18] <dsmith_> Daisuke_Ido: Oh well, learning curve then, like how many windoze users can do the same thing
[12:18] <Dinofly> i see no reasons an app could open using alt-f2 and not using the command line, that makes no sense
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: that's a problem though
[12:18] <dsmith_> not for me
[12:18] <dsmith_> :P
[12:18] <Lamington> Daisuke_Ido: Ah i c... I don't recall that it removed anything
[12:18] <nicon-> Anybody has test banshee at kubuntu 7.04?
[12:19] <nicon-> BTW, sry for my english, i know it's terrible :/
[12:19] <Lamington> What is banshee ?
[12:19] <drkns> nicon you shouldnt need banshee in kubuntu
[12:19] <Lamington> It rings a bell but I forget
[12:19] <nicon-> drkns: why?
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> average user: "well, i can get a machine with windows installed and i know it already, but what's this?  oh god that's ugly.  why is my entire control panel sitting at the bottom of the desktop?  screw it, i'm getting windows"
[12:19] <drkns> i believe it has its counterpart in kubuntu
[12:20] <nicon-> drkns: i've installd it bcs it's very such like itunes
[12:20] <logixoul> Lamington: a gnome media player
[12:20] <logixoul> nicon-: try kaffeine
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> AMAROK
[12:20] <Lamington> ah
[12:20] <nicon-> logixoul: is that looks like itunes?
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> oops
[12:20] <logixoul> nicon-: (kaffeine for video and amarok for audio)
[12:20] <Chris_Swift> "main.cpp:1:21: error: windows.h: No such file or directory" So where can I get the Windows.h for Linux well g++ in particular?
[12:20] <logixoul> nicon-: no
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> get amarok and love it :D
[12:20] <nicon-> logixoul: ):
[12:20] <nicon-> amarok, now i work on that q;
[12:20] <nicon-> But i need a program what looks like itunes
[12:20] <Lamington> Amarok is great
[12:20] <nicon-> I love itunes q;
[12:21] <drkns> kaffeine suppose to work with ipod
[12:21] <TheDebugger> Chris_Swift: There's no windows.h in linux..
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> nicon-: sudo apt-get install amarok
[12:21] <Lamington> nicon-: How about songbird ?
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> actually
[12:21] <nicon-> drkns: i don't got itunes
[12:21] <nicon-> ipod*
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're already USING kubuntu
[12:21] <logixoul> nicon-: try also JuK
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> you have it already
[12:21] <Chris_Swift> TheDebugger: So I can't program windows apps in Linux?
[12:21] <nicon-> I want to look it like itunes, not to compatible with ipod
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> um
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> duh?
[12:21] <Lamington> Amarok connects to Magnatune
[12:21] <nicon-> amarok, like i said, now i'm working on that
[12:21] <TheDebugger> Chris_Swift: You can, but you won't be able to test your applications
[12:22] <Dinofly> Chris_Swift: probably using wine
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Lamington: it has a front end for the magnatune store
[12:22] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:22] <Lamington> Daisuke_Ido: yes
[12:22] <nicon-> Banshee looks the same like itunes
[12:22] <Chris_Swift> Wine'll do but I need to find the sdk for Linux that includes windows.h ...
[12:22] <nicon-> That's why i want it
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> nicon-: so install banshee
[12:22] <drkns> its pretty late for this old fart so take care fellas and God be with you with all your linux problems
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install banshee
[12:22] <nicon-> Daisuke_Ido: like i sait, i've installed this banshee
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[12:22] <nicon-> But it dont work ):
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[12:23] <nicon-> When i click on it nothings happend
[12:23] <logixoul> Can anyone help me with http://rafb.net/p/B04YKq18.html ? I'm in the Kubuntu LiveCD right now. Pretty please :)
[12:23] <Lamington> Tried starting it from bash ?
[12:23] <nicon-> Lamington: nope
[12:24] <nicon-> Hm, not it works xD
[12:24] <nicon-> now*
[12:24] <nicon-> thx
[12:24] <makuseru> hi, i have a problem, i had a HP DVD writer and ive tried diffrent programs and diffrent brands of dvds, but it never burns one correctly, i always get errors, someone said K3B had a problem with HP writers, but ive tried more than just k3b, i dont need anything special for hp writers do i?
[12:24] <dsmith_> Daisuke_Ido: I left a commant on that site :)
[12:24] <Lamington> :)
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> logixoul: what filesystem is that?
[12:24] <nicon-> But sth is wrong...
[12:24] <nicon-> I can't do anything
[12:24] <dsmith_> I have a HP laptop and can burn ISOs all day long
[12:24] <logixoul> Daisuke_Ido: ext3
[12:24] <navets> can somebody help me set up svideo on kubuntu
[12:25] <logixoul> makuseru: try using K3b as root - rumor has it this solves many problems
[12:25] <Lamington> KDE detected U3
[12:25] <Lamington> :O
[12:25] <dsmith_> lol
[12:26] <Chris_Swift> Hmm, any programmers out there that know of a WIn32 SDK for linux if that makes sense, well I mean a SDK for the Linux g++ but has the windows headers and libs
[12:26] <Minataku> Chris_Swift: MingW
[12:27] <logixoul> Minataku: no, that's the other way round
[12:27] <Minataku> Doh
[12:27] <Minataku> lol
[12:27] <Chris_Swift> !MingW
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mingw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <Minataku> TBH, I wasn't quite clear what he wanted XD
[12:27] <Chris_Swift> !Minataku thanks if it works
[12:27] <Minataku> lol
[12:27] <Minataku> np
[12:27] <Minataku> BTW: I'm not a bot :3
[12:28] <n8k99> Minataku: has passed the Turing test
[12:28] <Dinofly> Chris_Swift: http://www.dumbbell.fr/howto/win32-cross-compilation.en.html
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i assure you, Minataku isn't a bot.
[12:29] <cox37777> has anyone ever had a grup 18 error?
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: he wants to develop windows software on a linux machine
[12:29] <Chris_Swift> Dinofly: Thanks yet again
[12:30] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Actually, that's still MinGW
[12:30] <Minataku> Cross-compilation
[12:30] <xhycko> aew galera
[12:30] <xhycko> alguem pode me ajudar?
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> right
[12:30] <Minataku> !br ! xhycko
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about br ! xhycko - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <Minataku> Er
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> but if you want to develop for windows, use windows
[12:30] <Minataku> !br | xhycko
[12:30] <ubotu> xhycko: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:30] <Minataku> Sorry
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> know thy enemy and all that
[12:31] <xhycko> !br
[12:31] <Minataku> We prefer if you develop for Linux, of course
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> don't use a real os to develop for a toy :)
[12:31] <Chris_Swift> I am used to developing Windows apps though...
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, belittlement done.
[12:32] <nicon-> K, thx all 4 help
[12:32] <nicon-> Bb all
[12:32] <Minataku> Or better yet, don't use or develop for the toy at all
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: touche
[12:32] <nicon-> Have a good night
[12:32] <Minataku> Belittlement never ends. It just gets weaker for a moment or two.
[12:32] <Minataku> XD
[12:32] <lucky_lucas> hi
[12:32] <Chris_Swift> Is it possible to run D3D apps on Linux or not?
[12:33] <logixoul> yes
[12:33] <logixoul> use cedega
[12:33] <lucky_lucas> does anyone has tested the kde4 alpha 1 packages ?
[12:33] <logixoul> Please help with http://rafb.net/p/B04YKq18.html - trying to resize ext3...
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> lucky_lucas: i'm grabbing it now, there isn't too much to see however
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> lucky_lucas: we aren't masochists, no :P
[12:33] <cellfish> alright, i think i have a damaged partition
[12:34] <cellfish> when i deleted my ntfs partition and tried ot change it to an ext3 one, it screwed up and seems irreperable
[12:34] <lucky_lucas> I'am all ok about that it's just to setup the environnment
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> none of the modules are uploaded from what i have seen
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> how the F can you justify writing D3D apps in linux?
[12:34] <cWolfe> does any one know of a command to check voltages of the power supply? Did I cat something in /proc?
[12:35] <lucky_lucas> Admiral_Chicago: because when I add the line deb blabla posted on the kubuntu website, i get 404
[12:35] <cellfish> does anyone know why, when i create a new partition on say /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb1 is no longer visible when the operation is complete?
[12:35] <Admiral_Chicago> lucky_lucas: feisty?
[12:36] <lucky_lucas> yes
[12:36] <premier_> can programs like gparted safely move files around windows partitions to make them smaller?  Right now I'm considering making my windows partition smaller, but it is up against files listed as "unmovable" by windows defragmenter
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1 feisty main
[12:36] <lucky_lucas> ok thank you
[12:36] <lucky_lucas> why isn't it written on the website ?
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> premier_: defrag your drive in windows first, then resize in
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> lucky_lucas: not sure, i'm not in charge of the Kubuntu site, i'll ask around
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Admiral_Chicago: he just said that won't work because the files are marked as unmovable during defrag :)
[12:37] <premier_> Admiral_Chicago: fine, but right now there a files at the end of the drive that windows defrag will *not* move.
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> premier_: can you set it to defrag at boot?
[12:37] <Minataku> premier_: Sounds like Microsoft's latest plan to thwart would-be Linux users, to me
[12:37] <lucky_lucas> That's why I came  here too find somebody to fix it
[12:38] <dogatemycomputer> premier_: as long as windows isn't loaded then the files are movable.  Like linux.. it just doesn't like to relocate files on a mounted partition..
[12:38] <Minataku> Stick files at the end of the partition and *censored* people up
[12:38] <lucky_lucas> avoiding the trouble a lot of time
[12:38] <etrange> .
[12:39] <dogatemycomputer> premier_: (defrag mounts the partition before defragging so some files are listed as unmovable..)
[12:39] <Minataku> Not to mention the mere fact that NTFS is a total piece of *censored* *censored*
[12:39] <premier_> well, anyone who's familiar with windows knows that programs cannot be changed, modified, or removed during run time... its a major cause of failures and a good example of poor OS design
[12:39] <dogatemycomputer> Minataku: you go boy!!!
[12:39] <Minataku> ^^
[12:39] <logixoul> Please help with http://rafb.net/p/B04YKq18.html - trying to resize ext3...
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defrag <-
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> make the files contigious.
[12:40] <Minataku> Or just nuke the whole Windows partition
[12:41] <dogatemycomputer> logixoul: was the partition mounted when you tried to resize it?  i've seen that error and booting from the Live CD, installing gparted, unmounting the partition, running a fsck then resizing the partition worked for me.
[12:42] <dogatemycomputer> logixoul: i've never had a partition I couldn't resize when booting from the live CD and unmounting the partition in question..
[12:43] <logixoul> dogatemycomputer: Nope, I took care to umount it first. And yeah, I'm in the Live CD. Only thing I haven't done is run fsck manually (cause I thought gparted was doing it for me). I'll try that next, thanks :)
[12:46] <dsmith_> is it normal for my swap partition to show as being disabled?
[12:46] <premier_> theres a liveCD just for gparted.  Its pretty nice, but I wish it had the ability to do other things like access those file systems.  Is there a system utility live CD?
[12:46] <dogatemycomputer> logixoul: yeah..  i would have thought it would.. and it even says it does.. but maybe something is going wrong with the fsck..
[12:47] <dogatemycomputer> premier_: i've heard of recovery CDs spread throughout the net.. but the LiveCD has always worked for me.  You can even install software from the live CD for temporary use..
[12:48] <premier_> what live cd?  kubuntu?
[12:48] <premier_> actually, I have to hack it to get it to run... lousy dell hardware, you see
[12:48] <logixoul> premier_: yes, the Kubuntu feisty live cd
[12:48] <premier_> so I just use sabayon... why not fix your computer in style?
[12:48] <dogatemycomputer> yeah.. kubuntu
[12:48] <logixoul> dogatemycomputer: ok
[12:49] <dogatemycomputer> logixoul: i haven't really delved into the specifics to find out where adept intalls the software too.  I assume its a ramdisk but I haven't checked.
[12:51] <logixoul> ought to be a ramdisk, I guess
[12:53] <t3hfr3ak> ok i need help setting up multiple monitora
[12:56] <t3hfr3ak> anybody?
[12:57] <logixoul> Hey. If I have unallocated space and *after that* a partition, then I cannot enlarge it directly, but rather I should use a low-level partition copy tool (what's the name again?), then delete the old partition and just _then_ enlarge the new partition. Is that correct?
[12:57] <navets> t3hfr3ak: i have same problem
[12:57] <t3hfr3ak> navets; unsolved?
[12:57] <navets> t3hfr3ak: do you know how to get svideo working
[12:58] <t3hfr3ak> navets; thats what im trying to figure out lol
[12:58] <Uentil> Hey, can someone help?
[12:58] <navets> t3hfr3ak: haha same
[12:58] <navets> t3hfr3ak: suprised there is not a program to do it
[12:58] <t3hfr3ak> me too lol
[12:59] <Uentil> Im on Kubuntu live, i need to move some files from my Win Vista on to my external hdd, can someone tell me how thats done?
[01:01] <t3hfr3ak> navets; i think i found a site with it
[01:01] <malik__> Uentil: open konqi goto /media/sda1............that should be ur primary vista drive
[01:01] <Uentil> Thanks dude.
[01:01] <Uentil> :)
[01:01] <navets> t3hfr3ak: show me plz
[01:01] <logixoul> malik__: hdd partitions don't seem to be automounted in the livecd tho
[01:01] <logixoul> Uentil: first, you mount your w partition in a terminal like so: sudo mkdir /media/w && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/w
[01:02] <t3hfr3ak> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456
[01:02] <logixoul> (where /dev/hda1 is your w partition)
[01:02] <Uentil> okay
[01:03] <malik__> hello ppl i am totally new to photo editing, specially in linux. can some one suggest a website for gimp tutorials or any books available?
[01:03] <Uentil> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[01:03] <logixoul> Uentil: do you know which device is your Vista partition?
[01:03] <navets> t3hfr3ak: damn i dont have a video card
[01:04] <navets> i mean a nvidia card
[01:04] <logixoul> malik__: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GIMP
[01:04] <Uentil> No, i dont.
[01:04] <Uentil> Vista isnt working
[01:04] <Uentil> thats why i need it
[01:04] <Uentil> imma transfer files to my external and install kubuntu
[01:05] <malik__> logixoul: thanx dude
[01:05] <logixoul> Uentil: what is the output of `ls /dev/hd*`
[01:05] <logixoul> malik__: you're welcome :)
[01:05] <Uentil> ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory
[01:06] <logixoul> hmmmm
[01:06] <logixoul> weird...
[01:07] <Uentil> Any way i could browes for Partitions?
[01:07] <adaptr> Uentil use fdisk -l
[01:07] <logixoul> Uentil: what adaptr said, or alternatively kinfocenter
[01:07] <adaptr> or qtparted
[01:08] <adaptr> qtparted would be the definitive answer
[01:08] <logixoul> that too
[01:08] <Uentil> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ fdisk -l
[01:08] <Uentil> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[01:08] <Uentil> thats all
[01:08] <Uentil> Not finding devices it says
[01:09] <logixoul> Uentil: I suspect your partition table is seriously screwed
[01:09] <logixoul> Uentil: see what qtparted says
[01:09] <Uentil> It says no devices found
[01:10] <logixoul> Uentil: what happens on boot if you don't have the kubuntu cd inserted?
[01:11] <Uentil> It says "Booting from CD" and takes me to a recovery screen
[01:11] <logixoul> huh?
[01:11] <logixoul> what cd?
[01:11] <Uentil> and i tried everything and nothing happens
[01:11] <Uentil> NO CLUE!
[01:11] <logixoul> ok, what recovery screen?...
[01:12] <Uentil> i forget
[01:12] <logixoul> describe it
[01:12] <Tired_> How can I make a link to a network shared folder on a remote computer, so that when I'm browsing files with Konq, I can click on the link and it'll open the shared folder?
[01:12] <Uentil> it was like
[01:12] <GuyFromHell> is the kde4-alpha1 repo working for anyone
[01:12] <Uentil> boot normaly
[01:12] <Uentil> or do system recovery
[01:12] <Uentil> and it wouldnt recover correctly
[01:12] <Tired_> It's annoying to have to browse to smb://sharename every time.
[01:12] <yurimxpxman> is there any way to automatically store the linked images inside an OpenOffice document?
[01:13] <Tired_> I was hoping to put links in /mnt, so I could work with them like mounted drives, only with Samba doing the heavy lifting.
[01:13] <cox37777> i'm manually creating partitions in ubuntu server and there is no swap patition in the options
[01:13] <cox37777> anyone got any ideas?
[01:14] <Schatzy> alo
[01:14] <Schatzy> lucas
[01:14] <slicknick> any idea why kmix is not keeping/saving my change when i choose USB Logitech headset
[01:14] <adaptr> cox37777 create partition first, change type later
[01:14] <lucky_lucas> Hi I'm back with kde4 but does anyone knows where okular is hide ?
[01:14] <Schatzy> alguien habla espa;ol aca
[01:15] <Uentil> Imma try something else, be back later maybe
[01:15] <Uentil> Peace.
[01:15] <cox37777> adaptr: where do i change it mate? and what do i set it to at the moment
[01:16] <cox37777> adaptr: did u see what i put as my set up? as in do u think it will work?
[01:16] <adaptr> cox37777 you say you are manually creating partitions - how ?
[01:17] <cox37777> adaptr: welll i'm just going through the partitioner,
[01:17] <cox37777> adaptr: when first installing
[01:17] <roguejedix> The guide says to uninstall samba when upgrading. Is that just the package "samba" or everything samba related?
[01:18] <adaptr> roguejedix upgrading from what to what ?
[01:18] <cox37777> adaptr: if i create a /boot do i need to set a boot flag?
[01:18] <roguejedix> adaptr: Edgy to Feisty
[01:18] <roguejedix> I was a bit unclear, sorry
[01:18] <adaptr> nice nick by the way, it puts you squarely in the 15-21 age bracket :)
[01:19] <adaptr> I didn't uninstall anything, just sudo update-manager -c and let it go
[01:19] <roguejedix> What can I say? I'll always be a kid at heart :P
[01:20] <roguejedix> It actually did hang at one point for me
[01:20] <adaptr> cox37777 no, you don't generally need a boot*able* flag with GRUB
[01:20] <Skyblast> Some, but not all h/x264 .mp4 files have green blocking across the left side. Is there a setting in the xine engine that I can change or is the *264's just not that well supported yet? They work just fine in VLC and MPlayer.
[01:20] <Skyblast> Oh, my bad, I'm playing them in Kaffeine.
[01:20] <cox37777> adaptr: just one last thing
[01:21] <cox37777> i've put the / at the end opposed to directly after the /boot
[01:21] <cox37777> adaptr: would what mater?
[01:22] <adaptr> it depends - the best arrangement for a single-disk install would be /swap firts, then /home, and last / - in order of decreasing disk speed
[01:22] <adaptr> why are you making a separate /boot ? it serves no purpose unless you run multiple distributions
[01:22] <cox37777> adaptr: because i have an old bios and keep getting grub 18 errors
[01:22] <cox37777> adaptr: not sure if u have seen it before
[01:23] <roguejedix> Is that the one where you have to set all disks to LBA mode?
[01:23] <adaptr> cox37777 yes, *I* (that's actually a one-letter word - "you", however, is not) have seen pretty much anything there is to see in the last 18 years of PC industry
[01:24] <cox37777> adaptr: do you know what i am trying to do?
[01:24] <adaptr> and especially with an older BIOS, you should always set all disks to LBA mode if possible
[01:24] <adaptr> cox37777 not really, why don't you enlighten us ?
[01:24] <cox37777> adaptr: lol :s going round in circles
[01:25] <adaptr> you're trying to go around in circles ? have you tried tying one foot to a chair, or something ?
[01:25] <adaptr> I'm pretty sure that will help
[01:26] <logixoul> hehe
[01:26] <cox37777> adaptr: story goes like this, tried installing 6.06 ubuntu and got the grup 18 error and that was auto disk setup. i then tried with this making a small 32mb /boot at the front but it didnt work, i then came home from work last night and just let the 7.04 server addition just run and low and behold it installed. I mssed it up when i was playing so i went to reinstall the same way and now i'm getting the grub 18 again after a reinstall.
[01:26] <cox37777> So here i am once again trying to find a solution to getting 7.04 to install again
[01:27] <adaptr> cox37777 describe your hardware
[01:27] <cox37777> it's a P3/450MHZ sitting on a ASUS P2B-F motherboard with a 160gig hdd and about 300mb ram
[01:28] <adaptr> does it actually *see* the entire 160GB ?
[01:28] <adaptr> what type of HD and did you run any extender tools on it to make it see the additional 32 GB ?
[01:28] <cox37777> it does when i had linux installed before i tired reinstalling
[01:28] <adaptr> because you really better not, it'l complicate things enormously
[01:29] <cox37777> as in ubuntu saw the whole disk
[01:29] <adaptr> this has nothing whatsoever to do with Linux, or any other OS
[01:29] <cox37777> adaptr: no i didn't try any extender tools
[01:29] <adaptr> what disk ?
[01:29] <adaptr> where is the disk connected to the controller ?
[01:29] <adaptr> is it an UDMA disk, is it on an UDMA cable ?
[01:30] <cox37777> adaptr: its a western digital HDD IDE
[01:30] <dogatemycomputer> adaptr: i'm not sure what the bios "seeing" the whole disk has anything to do with getting grub to boot?
[01:30] <adaptr> dogatemycomputer cylinder boundaries, for starters
[01:30] <cox37777> adaptr: it's connected to the IDE1 slot on the motherboard
[01:31] <dogatemycomputer> adaptr: then shouldn't just making the boot partition relatively small (end prior to the 1023rd cylinder) allow grub to boot?
[01:31] <adaptr> certain ahuem.. other OSes tend to fill the partition table with data gotten from the BIOS, which will be incorrect, and GURB doesn't use the BIOS i fit can help it
[01:31] <adaptr> dogatemycomputer that depends entirely on how the disk was originally partitioned
[01:31] <dogatemycomputer> adaptr: ahhhh.. i assumed he formatted the disk.. my bad..
[01:31] <adaptr> no, not formatted - partitioned
[01:32] <dogatemycomputer> adaptr: (or at least emptied it)
[01:32] <cox37777> dogatemycomputer: os this an irraversable problem?
[01:32] <adaptr> cox37777 it's software - nothing is irreversible
[01:32] <dogatemycomputer> cox37777: sorry.. i'm just sticking my nose into the conversation.. i'm letting adaptr take it from here..
[01:33] <dogatemycomputer> cox37777: its certainly not irreversable..
[01:33] <adaptr> cox37777 can you boot the system and check what the BIOS thinks of the disk ? and by "IDE1" did you mean the first slot, or the second ? the first is normally callled IDE0
[01:33] <cox37777> dogatemycomputer: no problem, This is a laugh or cry situation @ the moment
[01:34] <cox37777> in terms of the motherboard it's in 1st IDE as the second slot states 'secondary IDE'
[01:34] <cox37777> adaptr: what do you mean by what the bios thinks? what am i looking for?
[01:34] <dogatemycomputer> cox37777: the worst thing that I can see happening is to basically wipe the partitions, create a really small partition at the beginning of the drive for grub then partition the rest of the drive ..
[01:35] <cox37777> dogatemycomputer: I'm currently sitting at the partitioner at the moment
[01:35] <adaptr> cox37777 the BIOS reports the IDE devices it finds when you boot - hit the PAUSE key and read what that says
[01:36] <cox37777> adaptr: ok shall reboot now
[01:36] <adaptr> noooes!
[01:36] <adaptr> :)
[01:37] <cox37777> adaptr: what sorry?
[01:37] <jordo23> For some reason....all of a sudden, my second hard drive (sdb1) won't let me write to it.....any ideas?
[01:37] <cox37777> adaptr: was that message for me?
[01:38] <jordo23> The drive is also listed in /etc/fstab
[01:38] <adaptr> yes, and no
[01:38] <adaptr> go on about your business :)
[01:38] <cox37777> adaptr: shall I reboot?
[01:38] <adaptr> well, yes - you want to see the boot screen
[01:39] <cox37777> adaptr: ok 2 ticks
[01:39] <cox37777> adaptr: ok paused :D
[01:40] <navets> hey i need some help from anyone who knows anything about monitor layout
[01:40] <navets> what does LFP mean?
[01:40] <cox37777> !LFP
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lfp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: would it make sense to you if I said to unmount the partition and do a fsck then reboot?  Did you chance anything in your fstab file that would change your access to the drive?
[01:41] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Not sure anything was changed....it was mounted fine last I checked....
[01:42] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: I don't even think I rebooted in the last week....I rebooted now....and still isn't mounted correctly or something...
[01:43] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: in that case..  can you open a console and type 'mount' to see what drives are mounted?
[01:43] <dogatemycomputer> if you could cut/paste the line that applies to the read-only device then that would be helpful.
[01:44] <cox37777> adaptr: hello?
[01:44] <adaptr> yes ?
[01:44] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: It says sdb1 is mounted.....can't create dirs on command line either....permission denied...
[01:44] <cox37777> adaptr: i'm at the pause screen
[01:44] <adaptr> so what disk data do you see ?
[01:44] <jordan> hey could anyone tell me how i know whether to use nvidia-glx, legacy, or new
[01:45] <adaptr> Ubuntu will decide for you
[01:45] <OptimusRex> Hi all. Does anyone know how to kill firefox that has crashed but is still running in the background?
[01:45] <adaptr> OptimusRex erm.. kill it ?
[01:45] <cox37777> adaptr: CHS.UDMA 2, 8455MB
[01:45] <jordan> killall firefox
[01:45] <adaptr> cox37777 ah, there you are... but that's only 8GB
[01:45] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: give me a sec.. brb
 yes kill it
[01:45] <OptimusRex> stop it running
[01:45] <adaptr> OptimusRex no, that was the answer
[01:46] <Skyblast> In Konquerer, how do I set it to not take away the search bar when I change view modes?
[01:46] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer:  http://www.pastebin.ca/483964
[01:46] <cox37777> adaptr: does this mean I should set the partitioner up using a small /boot?
[01:46] <OptimusRex> how do I enter that in the konsole
[01:46] <adaptr> I can list at least 4 different ways to do that
[01:46] <adaptr> cox37777 it doesn't mean anything YET
[01:46] <OptimusRex> I remember something like killall...
[01:46] <cox37777> adaptr: Ok
[01:46] <jordan> killall firefox
[01:46] <slicknick> whos got the direct link to multiple programs sharing sound?
[01:46] <adaptr> cox37777 is that disk, in fact, 8GB in size ?
[01:46] <mike_> can someone help me install JRE?
[01:47] <cox37777> adaptr: 160GB
[01:47] <adaptr> cox37777 the BIOS only sees 8GB, so using CHS is a big no-no
[01:47] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: sorry about that..
[01:47] <adaptr> switch it to LBA in the BIOS
[01:47] <adaptr> you'll have to re-install everything, i.e. wipe the partition table
[01:48] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: okay..  have you tried taking ownership of the partition?
[01:48] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Why would it work before but not now though?
[01:48] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Does the pastebin show it's mounted correctly?
[01:49] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: I think its "sudo chown -R yourusername:users /dev/sdb1
[01:49] <dogatemycomputer> "
[01:49] <cox37777> adaptr: ok changed in bios, now it reads LBA, UDMA 2, 8455MB
[01:49] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: what's the pastebin link again?
[01:49] <jordo23> http://www.pastebin.ca/483964
[01:49] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: nevermind..  found it.
[01:49] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: What should be in the user's part of that command...
[01:49] <adaptr> cox37777 good, now both GRUB and the BIOS will agree on how the partitions are set up
[01:50] <adaptr> cox37777 now you can create a small partition to hold /boot
[01:50] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: The word 'users'?
[01:51] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: yeah.. basically you are reassigning ownership of the partition and all files on the partition to you
[01:51] <cox37777> adaptr: ok great, so I'm going for 100mb /boot primary + 150gb / logical + 2gb /swap logical?
[01:51] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: you're a user.. right? :)
[01:51] <adaptr> cox37777 why use logical partitions at all ?
[01:51] <adaptr> cox37777  I do advise you to create a separate /home
[01:51] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: yep.. it looks like it was mounted properly..
[01:51] <cox37777> adaptr: Sorry, a lot of this is guess work on my part
[01:51] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Did the command....seemed fine.....do I have to reboot?
[01:52] <adaptr> cox37777 okay... in that case, I suggest you create 128MB /boot, memory-size swap, 16GB / and the rest for /home
[01:53] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: if you take ownership and you don't see any significant errors then no.. you should be able to write to the partition..
[01:53] <cox37777> adaptr: ok I am at the partitioner again now, I shall set it up
[01:53] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Ran the command seemed fine....but no write from KDE
[01:54] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: still can't write to the partition?
[01:54] <adaptr> jordo23 dogatemycomputer that's not the way to alter permissions on a drive
[01:54] <cox37777> adaptr: and all this is in Ext3
[01:54] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Cannot create file or directory from command line to /media/sdb1
[01:54] <jordo23> adaptr: Do you know what I should do?
[01:54] <adaptr> jordo23 you need to chmod the *mount point*
[01:54] <dogatemycomputer> adaptr: go for it..
[01:55] <crazyrobot> all your /dev/partions should be root/disk   do chmod a+w /media/sdb1
[01:55] <jordo23> adaptr:  /media/sdb1 or /dev/sdb1?
[01:55] <adaptr> jordo23 the mount point is the filesystem location
[01:55] <adaptr> you can only chmod a partition when it's mounted
[01:55] <adaptr> is the partition empty ?
[01:56] <ScarFreewill> what is a nice dc client for kde?
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> dc+
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> what is Dc? sorry
[01:56] <jordo23> adaptr: The drive is a 250 (one large fat32) partition. Was working fine yesterday and I could write to it. Did not reboot....now all of a sudden I can't write to it...
[01:56] <ScarFreewill> Admiral_Chicago: dcpp...
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> okay you lost me.
[01:56] <crazyrobot> jordo23: can you read from it?
[01:56] <adaptr> jordo23 does it have to be FAT32bitch ? :(
[01:57] <ScarFreewill> Admiral_Chicago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC++
[01:57] <jordo23> adaptr: Yeah....was working flawlessly....I don't get it....
[01:57] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks ScarFreewill
[01:57] <jordo23> crazyrobot: Yeah....I can read from it, but cannot write to it anymore..
[01:57] <ScarFreewill> there is a linux one there but you have to go and compile it...
[01:58] <ScarFreewill> !dc
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> !dc++
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dc++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <ScarFreewill> !dcpp
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dcpp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <adaptr> jordo23 is the partition in your fstab ?
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> crap, i've heard of it too
[01:58] <ScarFreewill> :$
[01:59] <jordo23> adaptr: Yeah....please check my fstab....http://www.pastebin.ca/483981
[01:59] <ScarFreewill> i was using valknut and its in apt but i was looking for others
[01:59] <cox37777> adaptr: another question, does /boot files know where the /root is?
[02:00] <cellfish> ok i really don't get it
[02:00] <cellfish> i delete a partition, i create a new one
[02:00] <cellfish> if i format in ext3, the drive goes offline and i have to turn off and restart the computer to get it back and the partition becomes corrupted
[02:00] <cellfish> if i format in fat32, it formats quickly but no matter how much i change the permissiions, it never allows me to copy into it
[02:01] <cellfish> and if i format as reiserfs, it works but i can't copy huge chunks of data otherwise the drive just stalls
[02:01] <adaptr> jordo23 /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 fat user,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[02:01] <adaptr> jordo23 and then mount it, then sudo chmod 777 /media/sdb1
[02:01] <dogatemycomputer> cellfish: that sounds like a failing drive..
[02:02] <jrjx> How do I quickly / easily determine the basic version of Kubuntu I am running, presumably from the Konsole command line?
[02:02] <cellfish> dogatemycomputer: i know, and yet it was absolutely fine until i started installing linux
[02:02] <adaptr> jordo23 FAT doesn't actually have permissions, so you need to provide full perms on the root of the partition
[02:02] <jordo23> adaptr: What's the exact mount command?
[02:02] <GrueTamer> jrjx, do you mean the kernel, or the actual kubuntu version?
[02:02] <adaptr> cox37777 the initrd and kernel images are on /boot, which is all the loader needs to be able to find
[02:02] <adaptr> jordo23 I showed you
[02:02] <stdin> !version | jrjx
[02:02] <ubotu> jrjx: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:03] <jordo23> adaptr: No....sorry.....do I have to reboot first?
[02:03] <dogatemycomputer> cellfish: you know..  it wouldn't be the first time i've had linux find a failing device before Windows or even Mac.  Linux expects a device to respond properly and if it doesn't then it does its best to protect you early on.  If anyone else has anything to add then please do.
[02:03] <adaptr> jordo23 edit fstab then mount /media/sdb1 -o remount
[02:03] <jordo23> adaptr: That's what Im lookin for...thanks.
[02:03] <cox37777> adaptr: Ok, now in the install process. Many thanks for all the help and wish me luck
[02:03] <jrjx> Ummm...  Both, I suppose.  I *think* it's 5.10, but I want to be sure for a bug report I'm filing.  (Not a Kubuntu bug, but for ... http://www.visibone.com/javascript/jt1.html.  Automated Javascript compatibility testing.
[02:03] <GrueTamer> cox37777, good luck
[02:03] <cox37777> GrueTamer: thank mate
[02:03] <cox37777> thanks*\
[02:03] <GrueTamer> no problem
[02:04] <jordo23> adaptr: Did that....edited fstab, then ran the two commands......still no write....
[02:04] <GrueTamer> anybody whos installing linux for the first time (i assume this is your first time, tell me if im wrong) deserves luck
[02:04] <jordo23> adaptr: Try reboot?
[02:04] <adaptr> jordo23 no reboot - NEVER any reboot
[02:04] <adaptr> that's microfuckingsoft thinking
[02:05] <adaptr> it's just a disk FCS
[02:05] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: what do you see if "cd /mnt" then "ls -la"
[02:05] <jordo23> adaptr: Sorry....what now though?
[02:05] <stdin> jrjx: use "lsb_release -a" to get the version of k/ubuntu you are using, and "uname -r" for the kernel version
[02:05] <dogatemycomputer> or cd /media
[02:05] <adaptr> jordo23 no need for sorry... but yeah, post the result of ls -la /media
[02:05] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: i'm curious if you even have rights to write to the drive.
[02:06] <jordo23> adaptr dogatemycomputer:  http://www.pastebin.ca/483989
[02:07] <adaptr> jordo23 you did not chmod - did you remember to use sudo ?
[02:07] <jordo23> adaptr: Yeah....went to the next line....no error
[02:08] <dogatemycomputer> adaptr: I had to take ownership of my drive to get it to work right.. not sure why.
[02:08] <jordo23> adaptr: Ran it again...
[02:08] <john> huuhuu
[02:08] <jordo23> no error....same ls-la results
[02:09] <jordo23> adaptr: Still cannot create files on command line to /media/sdb1 (permission denied)
[02:09] <N6REJ> good evening all
[02:09] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: sudo chown jordo23:users /media/sdb1
[02:09] <N6REJ> Anyone know how to figure out what is causing ascii graphical characters at boot up?
[02:10] <jrjx> Thankee for the answer.  Worked.
[02:10] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Operation Not Permitted?
[02:10] <adaptr> jordo23 if you run sudo chmod 777 /media/sdb1 and it does not show rwxrwxrwx perms afterwards, then.. ehm.. SOMEthing went wrong
[02:10] <jordo23> adaptr: How is that possible?
[02:10] <jsubl2> dogatemycomputer: i believe you have to change options in the fstab
[02:11] <jsubl2> man fstab
[02:11] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: ls -la /mnt
[02:11] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: ignore that last message
[02:11] <adaptr> I have no idea, but if you're the only user of this system you can try setting uid and gid in fstab
[02:11] <jordo23> dogatemycomput: Good....nothing in that dir
[02:11] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: ahhhh
[02:11] <adaptr> jordo23 can you post the output of "mount" ?
[02:11] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: try this..
[02:12] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: chown jordo23:root /media/sdb1
[02:12] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: let me test it on my system..
[02:12] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: I have a similar setu..
[02:13] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: Says Operation Not Permitted, even when ran with sudo
[02:13] <OptimusRex> How do I stop Adept if it's running in the background?
[02:13] <jordo23> adaptr: http://www.pastebin.ca/484004
[02:13] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: in that case i'm at a loss too.  It lets me take ownership of my device and change permission without an issue.  Hmmmmmmmm.. have you unmounted it, fsck then rebooted?
[02:14] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: I don't think so....
[02:14] <jordo23> adaptr told me not to reboot
[02:14] <jordo23> dogatemycomputer: I don't think it was ever unmounted then remounted...
[02:14] <adaptr> there's absolutely no need to EVER do that
[02:15] <jordo23> adaptr: I agree with you in theory.....
[02:15] <adaptr> jordo23 you can try adding uid=<yourusername> to the mount options in fstab
[02:15] <dogatemycomputer> sudo umount /media/sdb1 , sudo fsck /dev/sdb1 ..  you probably don't need too but who knows...  i've seen stranger.
[02:15] <adaptr> jordo23 it doesn't matter whether you "agree" with that - it's a fact
[02:15] <Yorokobi> OptimusRex, 'sudo killall adept-manager' I believe. You can use 'ps wax | grep adept' to get the name/pid and kill -9/killall from there.
[02:15] <jordo23> adaptr: Where in fstab?
[02:16] <adaptr> add it to the other options for sdb1
[02:16] <jordo23> adaptr: At the end of the line?
[02:16] <OptimusRex> Yorokobi, Thanks.
[02:16] <dogatemycomputer> jordo23: here is an excellent fstab tutorial if you're curious.. http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[02:17] <adaptr> jordo23 no, *ADD IT TO THE OPTIONS* - if you dont' know what the options are then man mount
[02:17] <cox37777> adaptr: you are a legend
[02:17] <jordo23> adaptr: Options is after type....but I want to get the line right...
[02:17] <adaptr> I know...
[02:18] <adaptr> cox37777 I assume you have it installed ?
[02:18] <cox37777> adaptr: yes
[02:18] <adaptr> cox37777 chalk it up to ~15 years of PC hardware experience :)
[02:18] <cox37777> and it seems to have gone through fine
[02:18] <adaptr> cox37777 the only real magic there was setting the disk to use LBA mode - it would NEVER have worked until you did
[02:19] <cox37777> adaptr: lol .. i spent about 10 hours of getting very angry with it, finally got it working then messed it up and got back to this when i was just finalizing the workings
[02:19] <adaptr> that's how it goes
[02:19] <stanley> hey cox37777 can u help me with a kbfx prob??
[02:19] <cox37777> stanley: whats up with it?
[02:19] <tin> it seems weird, but when you'r setting up a new system, or making big changes to an old system, it helps ti write things down on paper
[02:20] <stanley> none of the settings i've selected are being applied
[02:20] <tin> i moved some partitions around for kubuntu, and somewhere the partition table got hosed
[02:20] <cox37777> stanley: i would love to help but unfortunatly i know nothing about it. Ummm
[02:20] <stanley> ok
[02:20] <cox37777> !kbfx
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbfx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <tin> so both the eventual kubuntu install and windows were dead after the rebot
[02:20] <cox37777> stanley: is it a theme?
[02:21] <tin> i sort of remembered where the partition boundaries were and got it fixed, but if i had wirrtten it down, woulda been fixed in seconds
[02:22] <tin> instead of hours of parted manual reading and guessing on how many bytes in a given partition
[02:22] <N6REJ> is there anyone that can help me with my bootup propblem?
[02:22] <stanley> yea...it;s a menu theme program
[02:24] <raylu> I can't boot from the Feisty CD on my other computer
[02:24] <raylu> it hangs after loading on what looks like a tty
[02:24] <raylu> with 2 lines at the bottom:
[02:24] <raylu> Int 14: CR2 and some hex
[02:25] <adaptr> did you md5 check the CD after dling ?
[02:25] <raylu> no, but I installed with it on this machin
[02:25] <raylu> *machine
[02:26] <raylu> i also tried it with an ubuntu cd that I used on a friend's machine and it gave the same error
[02:26] <adaptr> then it's a bad drive, a broken system, or a really weird combination of hardware
[02:26] <adaptr> but I'd check the CD cable first ;-)
[02:26] <raylu> I put the CD in under XP and it loaded up the openWhatever program fine
[02:27] <N6REJ> surely somebody around here knows what might be causing me to get graphical ascii characters for text instead of regular text during bootup when it didn't happen before.
[02:28] <N6REJ> look here to see what I mean... http://www.n6rej.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=70
[02:28] <raylu> graphical ascii characters for text?
[02:29] <N6REJ> raylu: yep, look at the pictures.
[02:29] <raylu> you mean why are you in a terminal window?
[02:29] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: that looks like a bad CD..
[02:30] <N6REJ> raylu: no, if you look closely at the images you'll see that they are not text.  They are mostly ascii graphics.
[02:30] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: thats my HD
[02:30] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: it was fine, this happened suddenly
[02:30] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: then it only gets worse from here..
[02:30] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: I lost my sound at the same time.
[02:30] <raylu> oh, i've had that before when I screwed around with my xorg.conf, N6REJ
[02:30] <autoclip> how do I tell KDE to not automatically copy selections into the clipboard? I'd prefer explicitly using ctrl-c.
[02:30] <N6REJ> well it does't do that once I'm in kde
[02:30] <raylu> perhaps you should fix the your /etc/modprobe.d
[02:31] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: does it boot into X after the trash finishes spewing on your screen?
[02:31] <raylu> autoclip, try klipper settings
[02:31] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: yep
[02:31] <N6REJ> beeps, squaks has a fit, but then loads fine just no sound.
[02:31] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: what kernel are you running?
[02:31] <N6REJ> 2.6.20-15-gerenric
[02:32] <N6REJ> does it on -14 also
[02:32] <N6REJ> I tried to install vmware server and I don't know if thats when it happened or not
[02:32] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: does this describe the problem?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/63970
[02:33] <DarlMcBride> The Ubuntu ops didn't like my nick.
[02:34] <SCOTroll> Hmm, not official enough.
[02:34] <TheSCOTroll> There, perfect.
[02:34] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: yes similar.  During bootup its a mess but once I'm in KDE I can run terminal and its clear
[02:35] <autoclip> raylu: thanks
[02:35] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: did you try commenting out the splash in grub to see if that corrects the problem?
[02:36] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: its worth a shot..
[02:36] <TheSCOTroll> I got a letter from SCO in the mail asking me to pay a $699 fee for using Linux. Has anyone gotten these letters from the SCO group?
[02:36] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: no I don't know how
[02:36] <TheSCOTroll> Shouldn't the KUbuntu people set up an account with The SCO Group so they can pay this for the users?
[02:37] <N6REJ> !grub
[02:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:38] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: well... the menu list is /boot/grub/menu.lst .. if the bug applies.. then there should be a line in there that looks similar to the line described in the bug report..
[02:39] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: use your favorite text editor to comment it out (just insert a "#" in front of the line) and save it.
[02:39] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: does that make sense to you?
[02:39] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: I would backup the file first though.. this way you can boot from the live CD and restore it if needed.
[02:40] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: you can also follow the tutorial to basically reinstall grub?
[02:43] <OptimusRex> Help! I can't stop Adept running in the background or at least that is what Automatix says.
[02:43] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: as for sound.. no clue.. I would start with 'dmesg' and make sure the card was installed and detected properly.  You can also check lspci to make sure its installed/detected properly.
[02:43] <dogatemycomputer> !automatix
[02:43] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[02:43] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: I believe mine is already set to quiet.  I'm going to try rebooting now and see what happens... perhaps the had is going bad :(
[02:43] <adaptr> why doesn't the SCO troll post his checking account so we can withdraw $6.99 for every line he utters ?
[02:43] <adaptr> sounds fairer to me, and easier too
[02:43] <OptimusRex> ok. So the best advice is to uninstall it?
[02:44] <TheSCOTroll> CRAP FLOOD
[02:44] <TheSCOTroll> !canceled
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about canceled - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <dogatemycomputer> OptimusRex: sorry.. never even used it.  I do know its still in beta and beta software is scares me.
[02:45] <dogatemycomputer> OptimusRex: i'm not good enough yet..
[02:45] <OptimusRex> thanks dogatemycomputer. I will uninstall right away
[02:46] <Feldegast> given SCO is a dead company trading who exactly would we pay? also consider that the extortion er um licensing inititive was put on hold pending the court cases
[02:47] <PenguinsRule> Linux is better than SCO.
[02:47] <PenguinsRule> I had a question about SMP in Linux.
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Hey hey
[02:48] <raidmax> hey anyone know any cgi?
[02:48] <raidmax> i really need some help
[02:48] <Feldegast> while i am in here (and active) how easy is it to enable dual monitors in kubuntu?
[02:48] <TheSCOTroll> raidmax: You mean Common Gateway Interface?
[02:48] <K-Ryan> I've heard it's not that bad, but I haven't done it personally.
[02:48] <raidmax> yes TheSCOTroll thats exactly wat i mean
[02:48] <Feldegast> raidmax depends on the type of cgi, can be C, C++, perl etc
[02:48] <raidmax> perl?
[02:49] <raidmax> anyone kno
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> Anyone tried installing Feisty as a Xen guest? Just wondering if it's worth experimenting with
[02:49] <Yorokobi> raidmax, this is not a perl/cgi channel
[02:49] <TheSCOTroll> Watch out how you implement anything that interacts with the httpd via CGI. If you have an instance of your program for every request, you'll use a lot of memory.
[02:50] <raidmax> i have a website with a submit button and when i click it it should display Hello but it doesnt it brings the code from the cgi i wanna use up
[02:50] <TheSCOTroll> raidmax: You need to be more specific.
[02:50] <Feldegast> sounds like the apache conf isn't configured right
[02:50] <raidmax> i dont even know if i have apache someone told me the same thing
[02:50] <raidmax> i have xampp on windows but i dnt kno how to use it
[02:51] <Feldegast> in linux apache is the recomended webserver
[02:51] <raidmax> can u walk me thru it?
[02:51] <crdlb> Feldegast: either that or lighttpd
[02:51] <PenguinsRule> I am trying to get my school to switch from M$ Windows to Linux, but the system administrator laughed at me. How can I convince him that Linux is the best?
[02:51] <Feldegast> to enable perl? not from memory sorry
[02:51] <raidmax> kk
[02:52] <Feldegast> it's on the perl website iirc
[02:52] <PenguinsRule> I love Linux because it runs Gimp and openoffice, which are superior to those Windows programs. And kubuntu is the best.
[02:53] <PenguinsRule> What reasons can I give to get my school to switch to kubuntu?
[02:53] <Feldegast> PenguinsRule from what?
[02:53] <PenguinsRule> Windows 2000
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> PenguinsRule: you could try the virus angle
[02:53] <Feldegast> \increased reliablility, reduced cost, increased flexability
[02:54] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: well, its a little better... look at this... http://www.n6rej.com/images/stories/cimg0854.jpg  This was taken at the login screen I told it to make the session "console" instead of kde.
[02:54] <TheSCOTroll> PenguinsRule: Linux costs more ($699 SCO IP license fee a wack versus Windows).
[02:54] <N6REJ> hiya hitmanWilly
[02:54] <Feldegast> also 2000 is no longer supoported
[02:55] <K-Ryan> I wasn't following the conversation, but aren't most Linux distros free and those that aren't are cheap I thought.
[02:55] <jsubl2> PenguinsRule: when i switched my wife a couple of years ago.. She was already using openoffice.  I was forcing her to mozilla for security/virus reasons.  that only left her gaming and photos  to deal with
[02:55] <Feldegast> K-Ryan this is true, some schools get free M$ software
[02:56] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: its beyond me.. i'm sorry..
[02:56] <K-Ryan> No no no, TheSCOTroll said "Linux costs more"
[02:56] <dogatemycomputer> SCO is scum.
[02:56] <PenguinsRule> Is that true?
[02:56] <K-Ryan> I seriously doubt it.
[02:56] <K-Ryan> The only distro that I heard of that costs money is Red Hat.
[02:56] <Feldegast> is what true?
[02:56] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: nuts.
[02:56] <TheSCOTroll> SCO invented Linux.
[02:56] <K-Ryan> And I don't think it's that much.
[02:57] <N6REJ> K-Ryan: there are several that do
[02:57] <K-Ryan> But in comparison to Windows, it's miniscule, right?
[02:57] <dogatemycomputer> TheSCOTroll: that code has long since been gone to the dust heap..
[02:57] <Feldegast> linspire, xandros and others are non free iirc
[02:57] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[02:57] <Arwen> K-Ryan, it's not the license cost he's talking about, he's talking about the total cost of ownership - e.g. admins, devs, etc
[02:57] <Kr4t05> What is the best way to burn a Video DVD?
[02:57] <Arwen> not that makes his argument any more right, but..
[02:58] <TheSCOTroll> I think Linux should continue, it just needs to pay for patent rights or it will be crushed by commercial solutions.
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05: try k3b
[02:58] <K-Ryan> I'm not quite sure what you mean.
[02:58] <Kr4t05> I've tried DeVeDe, tovid, and an assortment of other tools, and I need a fool-proof way of making it work.
[02:58] <PenguinsRule> TheSCOTroll: You are very insightful.
[02:58] <TheSCOTroll> PenguinsRule: Thank you.
[02:58] <Arwen> TheSCOTroll, why would the kernel team need to pay for patent rights?
[02:58] <K-Ryan> TheSCOTroll Linux will live on, open source will prevail just because it's so much better.
[02:58] <adaptr> he's certainly full of it, yeah
[02:58] <dogatemycomputer> I think the real debate is weather you want to pay Mirosoft for the right to use software that you can't get support on or the right to use less expensive software that requires a bit more support..
[02:58] <K-Ryan> That's my outlook, but please let's not go offtopic.
[02:58] <K-Ryan> Otherwise #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:58] <Admiral_Chicago> TheSCOTroll: PenguinsRule. dogatemycomputer please talk in #kubuntu-offtopic,
[02:58] <TheSCOTroll> Fine.
[02:59] <K-Ryan> Err, what Admiral said.
[02:59] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: When I select the VideoDVD option in K3b, it gives me two directories: AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS. I put a pre-encoded MPEG-2 in the VIDEO_TS directory and try to burn. It errors out with some cryptic message that I can't figure out.
[03:00] <Feldegast> does anyone here use dual monitors?
[03:00] <Arwen> Feldegast, sorry, I don't enough cash for that :-P
[03:00] <Kr4t05> Feldegast: Me.
[03:00] <Kr4t05> Feldegast: Need help setting up Xorg?
[03:00] <Arwen> Kr4t05, err, describe the cryptic message
[03:00] <TheSCOTroll> Dual monitors is so 1995.
[03:00] <K-Ryan> Stop trolling.
[03:01] <Feldegast> Kr4t05 have u booted your dual monitor configured linux up inside vmware?
[03:01] <TheSCOTroll> My stock trading setup has four LCD monitors.
[03:01] <TheSCOTroll> Beat that.
[03:01] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05: don't really burn those that much, just know that it does it
[03:01] <Kr4t05> Feldegast: Er... no, can't say I have.
[03:01] <K-Ryan> If you aren't going to help or try, and you don't have any questions...
[03:01] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05: i think you have to convert it over to a vid dvd format
[03:01] <Kr4t05> Arwen: "Could not determine the size of the resulting image file."
[03:01] <Feldegast> i have a dual boot xp/kubuntu and each can boot the other inside vmeware
[03:02] <mobiusNZ> hey guys, ive got an odd problem trying to get my broadcom wireless working on my new lappy, using ndiswrapper. i've installed the drivers fine, but in my /var/log/messages i get "ndiswrapper: request for IRQ 0 failed". anyone have any ideas?
[03:02] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: I already used tovid to convert it.
[03:02] <TheSCOTroll> THe Three Stooges
[03:02] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: keep up.
[03:02] <Feldegast> i was just wondering hoe dual monitors would go with that
[03:02] <Larry> Where is Moe? :(
[03:02] <Arwen> Kr4t05, ah, hmm.... no idea then.. try burning it as a normal DVD? Video DVD is really just DVD + VIDEO_TS
[03:02] <Feldegast> in the simpsons?
[03:03] <Kr4t05> Arwen: Would it play in a standard player, then?
[03:03] <Arwen> yes\
[03:03] <Curly> We can't continue the crapflood trolling without Moe. :(
[03:03] <K-Ryan> "Larry" really, stop.
[03:03] <adaptr> where's Moe ?
[03:04] <Arwen> rather, who's moe?
[03:04] <adaptr> Arwen the absent Stooge ?
[03:04] <K-Ryan> Good luck Feldegast
[03:04] <Feldegast> ty
[03:05] <Kr4t05> Arwen: It errors out... :/
[03:05] <Arwen> Kr4t05, so I guess it's a problem with your burning software? :-)
[03:09] <Kr4t05> Arwen: KDE crashed... :/
[03:09] <Arwen> ha, lol
[03:09] <Kr4t05> Arwen: Apparently... I should look at this online...
[03:09] <Arwen> time for some bug reports?
[03:11] <Kr4t05> Time to just give up...
[03:11] <Kr4t05> Course... can't take this thing back to Walmart, as a threw out the box...
[03:11] <Kr4t05> It burned two DVDs fine...
[03:11] <Kr4t05> Then, it just stopped working...
[03:13] <ubuntu_> hey can anyone help me
[03:13] <ubuntu_> with a few probs
[03:14] <stratman4300> ubuntu...  sure whats up???
[03:14] <I> well
[03:14] <I> I want
[03:14] <I> *wanted
[03:14] <I> to make a smooth linux
[03:15] <I> install with xp dual boot BUT somehting messed up
[03:15] <I> and now I can only access this live cd
[03:15] <I> and I can't install kubuntu either
[03:15] <stratman4300> did you install XP first or 2nd???
[03:15] <I> it just freezes up
[03:15] <I> first
[03:15] <stratman4300> okay....   when does it lock up for you???
[03:16] <ubuntu_> it says "Press A Key To Reboot" when I try winxp
[03:16] <ubuntu_> and it locks up
[03:16] <ubuntu_> when i goto install kubuntu
[03:17] <stratman4300> does it load xp then say that within XP??   or before XP comes up???
[03:17] <ubuntu_> so I either need XP fixed or kubuntu installed
[03:17] <ubuntu_> before
[03:17] <ubuntu_> after the bios screen
[03:17] <stratman4300> does it say anything about missing files??
[03:17] <ubuntu_> no
[03:17] <ubuntu_> I think
[03:18] <ubuntu_> the nt boot files
[03:18] <ubuntu_> are gone
[03:18] <ubuntu_> and I don't have an xp cd to use the recovery console
[03:18] <stratman4300> sounds like your xp install is screwy....   personally i would re-install it
[03:18] <stratman4300> hmmm
[03:18] <ubuntu_> well
[03:18] <ubuntu_> I'd like to get some data off first
[03:18] <ubuntu_> {we all know xp is screwy}
[03:18] <stratman4300> okay...   what happens when you install kubuntu???
[03:19] <stratman4300> LOL...  yes we do
[03:19] <ubuntu_> it won't mount properly in the live cd
[03:19] <ubuntu_> it locks up
[03:19] <ubuntu_> when i try to install
[03:19] <stratman4300> the xp drive won't mount??
[03:19] <ubuntu_> well it says
[03:19] <Arwen> ubuntu_, eh? the partition won't mount?
[03:19] <ubuntu_> Read only; I used mount -t ntfs dev/hda5/ /mnt
[03:20] <ubuntu_> hda 5 is my windows partion with my data
[03:20] <ubuntu_> I HATE M$.......the other 3 times it happened I had mbr/hdd backups
[03:20] <_christoph_> ubuntu_, you must repartition your drive to install kubuntu
[03:20] <stratman4300> hmmm...   i think you have to be the root user to mount to /mnt....  did you try it with the sudo command???
[03:20] <ubuntu_> i did
[03:21] <ubuntu_> christoph: well it locks up when I install
[03:21] <stratman4300> i would try creating a seperate folder in /mnt the try to mount it in /mnt/(yournewfolderhere)
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: try mounting in a subdir of mnt, ie /mnt/hda5 or some such
[03:22] <ubuntu_> so i make a new folder through konqueror or similar
[03:22] <ubuntu_> ok, give me a sec
[03:22] <stratman4300> you could even do it with the command line
[03:22] <Arwen> ubuntu_, mkdir /mnt/hda5
[03:22] <stratman4300> yup
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: sure, or mkdir from cli
[03:22] <roadfish> my computer keeps rebooting even though I select "Turn Off" rather than "Restart". any idea what might be the problem?
[03:23] <ubuntu_> ..... {} /dev/hda5 already mounted or /mnt/hda5 busy
[03:24] <_christoph_> more /etc/mtab
[03:24] <stratman4300> roadfish....   what version of kubuntu are you running???
[03:24] <ubuntu_> this what u want ?
[03:24] <ubuntu_> one sec
[03:24] <ubuntu_> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> tmpfs /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile tmpfs rw,mode=0755 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> tmpfs /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile tmpfs rw,mode=0755 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb none rw,bind 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> fusectl /sys/fs/fuse/connections fusectl rw 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> varrun /var/run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> varlock /var/lock tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> udev /dev tmpfs rw,mode=0755 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> devshm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[03:25] <ubuntu_> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
[03:25] <_christoph_> eek
[03:25] <ubuntu_> ?
[03:25] <hitmanWilly> !paste | ubuntu_
[03:25] <ubotu> ubuntu_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:25] <_christoph_> just look yourself if /dev/hda5 really IS mounted
[03:26] <roadfish> stratman4300: 7.04 Feisty Fawn
[03:26] <ubuntu_> nothing is
[03:27] <ubuntu_> nothing is mounted...
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: as in NOTHING nothing? that's not possible...
[03:28] <dextrone> it says in bash mount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or /mnt/hda5 busy
[03:28] <dextrone> and I don't see a thing
[03:28] <Arwen> ugh, help vampire... ah well
[03:28] <dextrone> I DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO MOUNT BEFORE
[03:28] <dextrone> AS IN
[03:29] <Skrot-> !caps
[03:29] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:29] <dextrone> since I restarted the live cd
[03:29] <dextrone> sorry
[03:31] <DaveMora> Hello everyone
[03:31] <dextrone> so is there anything I can do
[03:31] <DaveMora> Does anyone have experience with biometric with ubuntu ?
[03:32] <roadfish> well, I found a workaround to my computer continuously rebooting even after "Turn Off" was select ... I force a "shutdown now" from konsole.
[03:35] <ubuntu_> can anyone help?
[04:03] <Ireclan> How do I install Win32 codecs for Kaffeine?
[04:04] <_christoph_> I use (K)MPlayer with w32codecs-all
[04:05] <Jucato> !w32codecs | Ireclan
[04:05] <ubotu> Ireclan: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:07] <Ireclan> I have a debian file called "w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb"....How about that? Does THAT get me anywhere?
[04:07] <M_42> does anyone know how to get your backlight on your lcd to turn off?
[04:08] <_christoph_> yes, that's it. But I dont know if Kaffeine can use it.
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> M_42: DOES YOUR LAPPY HAVE A HARDWARE SWITCH FOR THAT?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> sorry.. caps
[04:09] <Ireclan> Anyone know if Kaffeine can use "w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb"?
[04:09] <M_42> :C
[04:09] <M_42> not a lappy
[04:09] <M_42> just a standard 17" lcd
[04:09] <M_42> :C
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> M_42: "DPMS"
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> I don't hink you can give the command yourself.
[04:13] <M_42> I checked my xorg.conf and my acpi-settings files
[04:13] <M_42> they seem ok
[04:14] <Ireclan> Anyone know where I can get help with Kaffeine?
[04:14] <_christoph_> Ireclan, maybe on #kde
[04:14] <Jucato> Ireclan: yes it can
[04:15] <Kr4t05> Has anyone else mastered the secrets to burning DVDs with k3b?
[04:15] <Jucato> any w32codec will do
[04:15] <Ireclan> Jucato: It's a .deb...
[04:15] <Jucato> yes
[04:15] <Ireclan> Jucato: I can't install it, it gives me errors...
[04:16] <Jucato> what errors?
[04:16] <Jucato> and how are you installing it?
[04:16] <Ireclan> Jucato: I'm installing it by right-click...
[04:17] <Jucato> Ireclan: and what errors do you get?
[04:17] <Jucato> (if it's too many, pastebin it)
[04:18] <Ireclan> Jucato: The path is incorrect...
[04:18] <Ireclan> ...
[04:18] <Ireclan> Jucato: I THINK I just figured out what's wrong...
[04:18] <M_42> anyone know how to force a lcd monitor to turn its backlight off?
[04:18] <Arwen> M_42, hit the power key
[04:19] <Ireclan> Jucato: How do I properly install .debs via command line???
[04:19] <HymnToLife> Ireclan, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:19] <Gabz> anyone here used ktorrents schedule bandwidth function ?
[04:19] <Jucato> Ireclan: are you sure you are doing right-click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[04:20] <Arwen> Gabz, nope, I'm an azureus user :-)
[04:20] <Arwen> besides, I want my torrents to always be eating max bandwidth anyway
[04:20] <Ireclan> Jucato: Yep. And the person who programmed the function made an idiotic mistake...It can't handle files with spaces in them...
[04:20] <Kr4t05> Gabz: I have, but I stopped after a while...
[04:20] <Arwen> Ireclan, dpkg -i "filename"
[04:21] <Kr4t05> My schedule is too variable for it.
[04:21] <Arwen> don't forget the quotes
[04:21] <Jucato> don't forget sudo as well
[04:21] <Jucato> Ireclan: sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[04:21] <Arwen> sudo ain't part of the command :-)
[04:22] <Jucato> Ireclan: use tab completion so that you won't have to manually enter the whole file name
[04:22] <Jucato> Arwen: and without sudo, the command is useless
[04:22] <Arwen> Jucato, not true - what if you had a root shell?
[04:22] <Jucato> Arwen: "what if", we are in Kubuntu, that's not the normal case
[04:22] <Gabz> Kr4t05: you don't know how to limit the downloads below 1 do you ?
[04:22] <Arwen> "apps -> system tools -> root konsole"
[04:22] <Arwen> lies
[04:23] <Jucato> that menu entry doesn't exist by default either
[04:23] <Jucato> (we don't even have an Apps/Applications menu)
[04:23] <Arwen> pssh, sucks to be you
[04:25] <Jucato> !coc | Arwen
[04:25] <ubotu> Arwen: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:25] <Arwen> ah cmon.... lame
[04:25] <Ireclan> ANYWAY...
[04:25] <Ireclan> It worked...
[04:26] <Jucato> Ireclan: worked now?
[04:26] <Jucato> good
[04:26] <M_42> !cock
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <Arwen> Ireclan, hehe
[04:26] <M_42> lol
[04:26] <M_42> sry
[04:26] <Arwen> !fsck
[04:26] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[04:26] <Arwen> :-)
[04:26] <Jucato> M_42: heh. just don't do it agan ;)
[04:26] <Ireclan> Jucato: And I DO believe that's a bug...
[04:27] <Ireclan> Jucato: You reckon it's been fixed for Feisty?
[04:27] <M_42> anyone know what would cause power management functions for an lcd monitor not to work at all
[04:27] <M_42> I tried /etc/acpi/screenblank.sh and it does nothing
[04:27] <Jucato> Ireclan: I'm not sure anyone actually reported it. I'll ask. but hopefully next release we already have a full graphical DEB installer (KDE port of gdebi)
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: its being worked on for SoC
[04:38] <LincKanabico> hi everybody how do i enable root login in kubuntu feasty?
[04:38] <Jucato> !sudo | LincKanabico
[04:38] <ubotu> LincKanabico: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:38] <Jucato> (the page in that link has instructions)
[04:38] <Jucato> thanks for confirming Admiral_Chicago
[04:39] <LincKanabico> thanks
[04:40] <cyt> !ntfs-3g
[04:40] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:41] <LincKanabico> this helps buti like to login to kde as root from the login prompt
[04:52] <servidoruno> buenas noches
[04:53] <servidoruno> espero su colaboracion con el siguente tema:
[04:53] <Ireclan> Amerok is being a F*cktard.
[04:53] <servidoruno> tengo problemas para compartir impresoras desde kubuntu.
[04:53] <Ireclan> It won't install MP3 support.
[04:54] <servidoruno> primero el administrador de impresoras no me aceptaba mis pasword y claves
[04:54] <Ireclan> Jucato or someone, please help.
[04:54] <servidoruno> luego agregue el usuario cupsys a shadow
[04:54] <jsubl2> english
[04:55] <servidoruno> y aun asi me sigue negando mis claves y accesos y no me deja configurar el servidor de impresion cups,
[04:55] <servidoruno> como podria corregir este lio?
[04:55] <Ireclan> servidoruno: No hablo espanol. Los siento.
[04:55] <servidoruno> alguen a podido resolver esto
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> !es
[04:55] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:55] <servidoruno> thank
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Ireclan: what release?
[04:56] <Ireclan> Admiral_Chicago: Edgy.
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Ireclan: thats a know bug. Pleaes enable Multiverse and install libxine-extracodecs
[04:57] <Ireclan> Admiral_Chicago: What plugin do I need. I'll do a manual install if necessary.
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> !multiverse
[04:57] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:57] <Ireclan> *?
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> !mp3 | Ireclan
[04:57] <ubotu> Ireclan: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> that might also help
[04:59] <servidoruno> some body know how i can fix the cups server, when I change the cupsys user to shadow?
[04:59] <servidoruno> please !!!
[05:02] <servidoruno> somebody know?
[05:03] <Ireclan> servidoruno: Patience. Someone might help evuntually.
[05:03] <Ireclan> *eventually
[05:04] <Ireclan> Admiral_Chicago: Could you tell me how to enable multiverse- my net connection's being retarded...
[05:04] <servidoruno> ok   thank you
[05:04] <Feldegast> in KDE, how do you tell the desktop menu to left align?
[05:07] <Kr4t05> This is weird... The drive is rated for 16x burning on DVDs, the media is rated for 16x burning, DMA is enabled and the drive is connected properly... However, K3b doesn't peak over 3x when burning...
[05:09] <dr_willis> could be the hd isent able to send the info any faster...
[05:09] <dr_willis> or somthing else is telling it to slow down.
[05:09] <flaccid> guess there is a bottleneck there unless 16x is just a max, not a realistic speed
[05:10] <dr_willis> flaccid,  yea tey always hype those #'s dont they
[05:11] <Ireclan> Anyone care to help me with getting universe and multiverse repositories working?
[05:11] <crimsun> Ireclan: for which Ubuntu release?
[05:11] <flaccid> yeah they do, but i though with the burning speeds it was meant to be, its the read speed that is max eg. 52X is absolute max , but yeah maybe the write speeds are max as well
[05:12] <Ireclan> crimsun Edgy.
[05:12] <flaccid> !repos
[05:12] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:12] <Feldegast> nobody knows how to left align the desktop menu??
[05:12] <crimsun> Ireclan: see the URL that the bot just posted.
[05:12] <flaccid> Feldegast: im not sure what you mean
[05:12] <flaccid> kmenu?
[05:12] <Ireclan> flaccid: Already tried that...Not working....
[05:13] <Kr4t05> flaccid: Maybe... Can't see any bottlenecks... 2.26GHz Intel Celeron D, 1GB RAM DDR400, and a WD 160GB IDE
[05:13] <flaccid> Ireclan: tried what?
[05:13] <Feldegast> in kde you can enable the "desktop menu" which puts a menu at the top of the screen
[05:13] <flaccid> Feldegast: oh how do you do that?
[05:13] <Ireclan> flaccid: the procedure on that page.
[05:14] <flaccid> Ireclan: you must be doing something wrong
[05:14] <Kr4t05> It just seems that 2.7x is a pretty big difference from 16x.
[05:14] <Feldegast> right click desktop -> configure Desktop > behaviour
[05:14] <winston> uptime
[05:14] <Kr4t05> K3b even says it will burn at 16x, but doesn't deliver...
[05:14] <winston> Uptime: 1 hours and 5 minutes
[05:14] <flaccid> Feldegast: thanks. i can't test atm, if no luck here, #kde will advise
[05:15] <flaccid> Kr4t05: thats because its hardware dependent
[05:15] <winston> how can i use my webcam on kopete? i see it working in preferences, but i see no place in kopete to use it.
[05:15] <flaccid> !webcam
[05:15] <Feldegast> in 6.10 the desktop menu was left aligned, when i upgraded to 7.04 it bekame sort of centered
[05:15] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Ireclan: sorry I'm away
[05:15] <Feldegast> k
[05:15] <flaccid> webcam support is very bad on *nix due to no standard protocol
[05:15] <mrwinston> those websites dont answer my question
[05:15] <Kr4t05> flaccid: Don't forget the gspca drivers.
[05:15] <flaccid> yeah but i just did...
[05:15] <mrwinston> i didnt say my webcam doesnt work
[05:15] <mrwinston> it does
[05:16] <flaccid> Kr4t05: depends what webcam you have
[05:16] <mrwinston> where is the option to use my webcam in kopete?
[05:16] <flaccid> mrwinston: settings - configure - devices
[05:16] <Kr4t05> mrwinston: The only protocol that supports video in kopete is Yahoo. AIM and MSN don't have support for it, yet.
[05:17] <flaccid> thats funny msn webcam works fine for me in kopete
[05:17] <Kr4t05> Oh, yeah, it does. Forgot. :P
[05:17] <dr_willis> heh i was just wondering why my sound wasent working.. then resized i was on my widnows box using XDMCP and XMING to get an xdispley on it. :)
[05:17] <mrwinston> Kr4t05: id use amsn if kopete didnt support the msn protocol
[05:17] <Kr4t05> Right...
[05:17] <Kr4t05> As for AIM, dunno what to tell you... I'm not sure if gaim/pidgin supports video, yet.
[05:19] <Kr4t05> Hrm... Maybe this drive is like those other goofy ones where I need to hold in the eject button after loading a disc in order to get the higher speeds.
[05:19] <flaccid> lol
[05:19] <Kr4t05> flaccid: I had a Samsung like that, I think...
[05:20] <flaccid> hehe
[05:26] <strabes> why are the backup folders created by sbackup only readable by root? How can I change this?
[05:29] <flaccid> !perms
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perms - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <flaccid> !chmod
[05:29] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[05:34] <dsmith_> perms?
[05:34] <dsmith_> lol
[05:35] <Ahmuck> !dvd
[05:35] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:36] <Ahmuck> !restricted
[05:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:50] <raylu> Can someone help me with a Ubuntu install?
[05:51] <raylu> actually, it gave me the same error as Kubuntu
[05:52] <Feldegast> in kde you can enable the "desktop menu" which puts a menu at the top of the screen, right click desktop -> configure Desktop > behaviour, in kubuntu 6.10 it was left aligned, in 7.04 it is now "sort of" centered, any way to fix this?
[05:54] <bonbonthejon> raylu: whats the error
[05:57] <dsmith_> anyone know about enabling SD cards?
[05:58] <bonbonthejon> !question | dsmith_
[05:58] <ubotu> dsmith_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:58] <dsmith_> that was my question.. :P
[05:58] <bonbonthejon> somewhat, whats the problem
[05:59] <dsmith_> revise: Does SD cards work in Ubuntu?
[05:59] <spawn57> you mean encrypted ones?
[05:59] <bonbonthejon> dsmith_: I have a SD card reader, it works fine
[05:59] <dsmith_> no just vanilla ones
[05:59] <spawn57> oh
[05:59] <dsmith_> mine is built into my laptop
[05:59] <spawn57> just plug it into the card reader
[05:59] <bonbonthejon> dsmith_: probably
[05:59] <spawn57> and an icon will pop up on your desktop
[05:59] <dsmith_> do I need to edit fstab?
[05:59] <spawn57> naw
[06:00] <spawn57> hal and pmount will take care of it
[06:00] <bonbonthejon> dsmith_: it will be like a cd, it will show an icon
[06:00] <dsmith_> nah, no icons
[06:00] <spawn57> oh
[06:00] <dsmith_> hmmm
[06:00] <dsmith_> my usb works fine
[06:00] <dsmith_> so does the cd
[06:00] <spawn57> open up a console and type dmesg
[06:00] <dsmith_> one sec
[06:01] <dsmith_> !pastebin
[06:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:01] <dsmith_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20444/
[06:02] <spawn57> one sec
[06:02] <dsmith_> im reading it as well
[06:02] <spawn57> yeah
[06:02] <spawn57> the last few lines are all you need to look at
[06:03] <spawn57> your sd card isn't being detected
[06:03] <spawn57> can you unplug and plug in the usb card reader again?
[06:03] <dsmith_> one min
[06:04] <dsmith_> showing the same
[06:04] <dsmith_> not seeing it
[06:04] <spawn57> nothing detected?
[06:04] <dsmith_> nothing
[06:04] <spawn57> it works in windows right?
[06:04] <bonbonthejon> dsmith_: you have a new HP?
[06:05] <dsmith_> 2002
[06:05] <dsmith_> i believe
[06:05] <dsmith_> I'd have to look at the bios
[06:05] <spawn57> bonbonthejon: are they ide card readers?
[06:06] <bonbonthejon> spawn57: pci, at least lspci lists it
[06:06] <dsmith_> http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=1556
[06:06] <spawn57> a pci card reader?
[06:07] <spawn57> dsmith_: didja try that module
[06:07] <dsmith_> im about to
[06:09] <t3hfr3ak> i need help setting up my TV connected to my computer VIA SVIDEO
[06:09] <t3hfr3ak> running ubuntu 7.04
[06:10] <t3hfr3ak> anyone?
[06:11] <bonbonthejon> t3hfr3ak: you'd probably be better off searching on google
[06:11] <t3hfr3ak> i did... and the tut i found didnt work
[06:12] <arun> hey, people.. does any one use koffice in here?
[06:12] <dsmith_> i dont
[06:12] <t3hfr3ak> arun; that open office correect?
[06:12] <arun> no, open office and koffice are different
[06:12] <dsmith_> spawn57: that module change did not work
[06:12] <dsmith_> :(
[06:12] <spawn57> dang
[06:13] <spawn57> i would stay and help, but I'm bout to meet up with friends now man
[06:13] <arun> OpenOffice has it's own ugly font rendering which I really hate.. my fonts look OS X-sexy for all other apps
[06:13] <arun> and look so crappy in openoffice
[06:13] <spawn57> i'll try looking into it, drop me an e-mail on your hardware, do lspci and paste me the output.
[06:13] <dsmith_> lspci shows it
[06:14] <spawn57> addy is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:14] <spawn57> i'll get back to you later tonight
[06:14] <dsmith_> k
[06:14] <herzi> ol!
[06:15] <t3hfr3ak> herzi; you know anything about setting up SVIDEO with 7.04?
[06:15] <bonbonthejon> !es | herzi
[06:15] <ubotu> herzi: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:16] <herzi> desculpe jo no sabia que eras en espaol
[06:16] <dsmith_> !help
[06:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:16] <dsmith_> hmmm..
[06:16] <herzi> dsmith, what is u problem?
[06:17] <dsmith_> I was teating my connection, http access is down but irc works fine
[06:17] <dsmith_> weird
[06:17] <dsmith_> *testing
[06:17] <arun> i was like teating? err...
[06:17] <t3hfr3ak> drsmith_: restart router
[06:17] <dsmith_> lol
[06:17] <herzi> good! what u from?
[06:17] <dsmith_> I know about restarting router
[06:17] <dsmith_> :)
[06:19] <nickname> hello!
[06:20] <arun> hey lobster
[06:21] <dsmith_> brb
[06:22] <arun> seriously, no one uses koffice here?
[06:22] <bs_as> hola
[06:22] <bs_as> como estan?
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> !es | bs_as
[06:23] <ubotu> bs_as: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:27] <lobster> I dont use koffice, but I might be able to help.
[06:27] <lobster> anyone familiar with samba?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> lobster: a little, what's up?
[06:29] <lobster> I want to mount my cd drives over the network; if I mount /media/cdrom0 will it register on my network?
[06:29] <lobster> I have two cds mounted now, but cdrom0 and cdrom1 are empty?
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> lobster: no, you have to set it up as a samba share
[06:29] <pingveno> arun: I use koffice sometimes
[06:30] <pingveno> It's general quicker than OpenOffice
[06:30] <lobster> hitmanwilly: thats what I mean.  I set them up as shared folders in systemsettings, sharing
[06:30] <pingveno> Unfortunately, it doesn't have writing to .doc files :(
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> lobster: it won't let you connect? hmmm.....
[06:31] <lobster> hitmanwilly: will that do it, though? there is nothing in the cdrom files, and I can see the mounted cds under their names....
[06:31] <kalorin_> heh
[06:31] <kalorin_> that's so funny
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> lobster: most of my experience goes the other way, but let me see
[06:31] <kalorin_> runnin x11vnc and trying to connect to my box at work
[06:31] <kalorin_> the screen saver is taking so much to redraw I can't unlock it
[06:31] <pingveno> I'm trying to figure out a problem I'm having with Amarok. It's not playing .aiff files for some reason
[06:31] <kalorin_> had to ssh to it and kill it manually
[06:32] <Goontz> asdf
[06:32] <pingveno> It's something to do with the xine engine, I think
[06:32] <Goontz> jkl;
[06:33] <arun> pingveno: does openoffice on your computer also render fonts in its own ugly way?
[06:33] <bryan> Hey everyone, Im sure this is ANNOYing, but, does anyone have a few seconds to help out someone who just installed Kubuntu on Macbook?
[06:33] <bryan> just having a few probs :)
[06:34] <pingveno> arun: no
[06:34] <arun> ah
[06:34] <pingveno> Well, it's a bit subjective
[06:34] <pingveno> I suppose the antialiasing could be taken as being too harsh
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> lobster: all the links i can fseem to find are for mounting windows shares under nix, hmmm
[06:36] <lobster> yeah, me too
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> lobster: and i haven't run a windows box for a while :)
[06:38] <kalorin_> now how come the remote desktop vnc client can't deal with turning remote 32bit color to 8bit local color
[06:38] <kalorin_> so I don' thave to sit here for EVERY when it's redrawing things
[06:38] <pingveno> I get the error "filename.aff: Error while parsing header" when I run ffmpeg on an aiff file, even though the file runs perfectly through sox
[06:39] <pingveno> oops, filename.aiff
[06:39] <pingveno> I think that's giving me problems with amarok
[06:39] <debian> ola alguem conhece algum site de matematica?
[06:39] <lobster> hmm.  It doesn't seem to want to accept my password?
[06:40] <debian> tem algum portugues aqui?
[06:40] <debian> que merda de lugar
[06:40] <debian> quit
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> lobster: you may want to setup a seperate account just for remote access, put it in the group that owns the cdrom drive, and use that...i don't know if ubu allows remote access for admin accounts remotely
[06:44] <arun> openoffice renders my fonts like windows 95, exactly like that, while the fonts on everything are rendered really nicely, OSX style
[06:45] <arun> I had this problem with Dapper as well, which got fixed in Edgy
[06:45] <pingveno> Would a screenshot show the problem?
[06:45] <arun> now it's back to the same old thing, I'm looking it up online, apparently it's a bug in openoffice
[06:45] <arun> yeah, sure hold on
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> anyway, got to go...work tomorrow :(
[06:46] <redshadowhero> so, how would one use kubuntu to interact on a network with windows computers?
[06:46] <redshadowhero> I have no idea.
[06:46] <arun> http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/382/snapshotoorp9.png
[06:46] <lobster> redshadow: that is what I am trying to do.
[06:47] <redshadowhero> Ah.
[06:47] <redshadowhero> Ha ha.
[06:47] <redshadowhero> I'm used to the OSX way of doing it: a nice shortcut in finder.
[06:47] <lobster> I just found out how, with samba
[06:47] <redshadowhero> Please, enlighten me.
[06:48] <dsmith_> does anyone use Keep backup?
[06:48] <arun> pingveno: screenshot in openoffice -- http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/382/snapshotoorp9.png  |  screenshot in koffice of pretty much the same text and font -- http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2452/snapshotkowh3.png
[06:49] <arun> pingveno: see how the fonts in the menus are rendered as well
[06:49] <pingveno> I have the same font rendering, I think
[06:49] <lobster> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html
[06:49] <lobster> see above redshadowhero
[06:49] <arun> do you see the massive difference
[06:50] <Jake08> anyone here able to help my through a difficult install of Kubuntu?
[06:50] <pingveno> Yeah
[06:50] <lobster> basically apt install samba, set up share folders and create share users
[06:50] <redshadowhero> ah, thank you.
[06:50] <dsmith_> jake08: whats wrong
[06:50] <Jake08> I am getting /bin/sh: can'
[06:50] <pingveno> arun: I see what you mean by ugly rendering, but I don't think that's an actual bug
[06:50] <Jake08> t access tty; job control turned off
[06:50] <Jake08> sorry for the two lines... well now three
[06:50] <arun> pingveno: what do you think that is
[06:51] <dsmith_> hmmm, never saw that one before
[06:51] <Jake08> Yeah not on the forums either :(
[06:51] <pingveno> arun: I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean
[06:51] <Jake08> getting a prompt before the error...
[06:52] <Jake08> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian) 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) built-in shell (ash)
[06:52] <dsmith_> you know what
[06:52] <Jake08> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands
[06:52] <dsmith_> I had that dern busybox thingy once before
[06:52] <dsmith_> I had to do a complete reinstall
[06:52] <dsmith_> is it a empty drive?
[06:52] <Jake08> Yeah this is not my first full install
[06:53] <Jake08> I went ahead and let it take over the full drive yeah
[06:53] <arun> pingveno: you said that's not a bug, how so?
[06:53] <dsmith_> so this is a new driver formatted and such
[06:53] <dsmith_> but kubuntu wont start>
[06:53] <dsmith_> ?
[06:53] <pingveno> arun: Well, I think it's not an actual bug, just an engine that doesn't produce particularly nice rendering
[06:53] <felix> hello!
[06:53] <Jake08> yeah, I mean not totally new it had vista home basic on it before
[06:53] <felix> hello jake
[06:54] <felix> hello dsmith
[06:54] <Jake08> hey felix..
[06:54] <dsmith_> did you get to format it?
[06:54] <pingveno> arun: The Ubuntu bug I saw had really, really ugly rendering
[06:54] <dsmith_> hello felix
[06:54] <Jake08> yes i did
[06:54] <dsmith_> ok..
[06:54] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[06:54] <felix> i'm a newbie here at kubuntu
[06:54] <dsmith_> welcome!
[06:54] <felix> thanks jake and dsmith for your warm welcome
[06:54] <dsmith_> Jake08: I never did figure that one out
[06:54] <dsmith_> i was perplaxed and no one could seem to help
[06:54] <felix> i'm from philippines
[06:55] <dsmith_> USA
[06:55] <arun> pingveno: the font rendering isn't that ugly for everyone, that's the thing
[06:55] <Jake08> well I know it is backwards from normal, I started with the Alternate CD this time because of trouble in the past, I just finished the regular disc should I try it?
[06:55] <arun> on some PCs it shows nice rendering
[06:55] <pingveno> arun: huh
[06:55] <pingveno> arun: interesting
[06:55] <dsmith_> try another disc this time and see if that works
[06:55] <dsmith_> I have had a few bad images myself before
[06:56] <dsmith_> or they burned poor
[06:56] <pingveno> arun: yeah, I agree. I just took a second look at the rendering on my copy and I suppose it does have problems
[06:56] <Jake08> Yeah I would worry about miss downloads but I am bittorrenting it which was recommended because of the on the fly crc checking
[06:56] <pingveno> The l's and the d's being too close together
[06:56] <Jake08> and no the burner is fine I use it pretty frequently with no troubles
[06:56] <dsmith_> ok...
[06:56] <dsmith_> crc checking is nice
[06:56] <dsmith_> :)
[06:56] <Jake08> Yeah
[06:57] <arun> pingveno: i looked up some stuff about it on google, seems like openoffice keeps having this problem for some versions
[06:57] <arun> weird
[06:57] <pingveno> yeah
[06:57] <pingveno> agreement
[06:57] <arun> well, i guess i'll stick to using kword or google docs
[06:57] <pingveno> *shrug*
[06:57] <Jake08> much better than waiting 20 minutes for the download to find out that it was a bad downloaded
[06:57] <dsmith_> openoffice is nice
[06:57] <dsmith_> yea
[06:57] <zeekstarr> how do i burn a video dvd from an avi? I've tried with k3b but I'm messing it up somehow
[06:57] <pingveno> kword's definitely a good program
[06:57] <felix> where can download kword?
[06:57] <pingveno> apt-get install kword
[06:57] <arun> felix: just look for kword in adept
[06:57] <dsmith_> kubuntu should already have it
[06:57] <arun> and install it
[06:57] <arun> dsmith_: screenshot in openoffice -- http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/382/snapshotoorp9.png  |  screenshot in koffice of pretty much the same text and font -- http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2452/snapshotkowh3.png
[06:59] <pingveno> K Menu > Office > KWord (Word Processing)
[06:59] <felix> arun, where is adept located...sorry newbie here
[06:59] <dsmith_> felix: Follow pingveno
[06:59] <arun> felix: kmenu > system > adept manager
[06:59] <arun> you can install and upgrade anything from here, hassle-free
[06:59] <dsmith_> Kubuntu has kword already installed
[06:59] <arun> dsmith_: mine didn't come with kword
[06:59] <dsmith_> well not from IRC, but from konsole
[07:00] <levi_> How would I fix broken video codecs?
[07:00] <dsmith_> oh well then he can install it
[07:00] <felix> i only have here is openoffice.org
[07:00] <dsmith_> arun: I thought kde included kword?
[07:00] <levi_> you should have Kate
[07:00] <felix> i did not see kword
[07:00] <dsmith_> felix: sudo apt-get install kword
[07:00] <arun> dsmith_: no, apparently in kubuntu, you have to install koffice separately
[07:00] <felix> thanks arun
[07:00] <Jucato> dsmith_: Kubuntu doesn't by default
[07:00] <dsmith_> hmmmm ok
[07:01] <Jucato> dsmith_: also, KDE doesn't really install KOffice by default either
[07:01] <arun> felix: search for 'kword' or 'koffice' in adept
[07:01] <arun> you will see a list of results
[07:01] <dsmith_> then perhaps its
[07:01] <dsmith_> felix: sudo apt-get install koffice
[07:01] <felix> ok
[07:01] <zeekstarr> avi to video dvd?
[07:02] <dsmith_> felix: I was a beginning Linux user a year ago, there are tons of ppl here to help you
[07:02] <arun> ok, i gotta get some breakfast, see you guys in a bit
[07:02] <dsmith_> save some bacon
[07:02] <levi_> No, as in Videos will no longer play unles I use Opengl which is choppy and laggy.
[07:03] <felix> guys, this message appears: Package koffice is not available,
[07:03] <felix> but is referred to by another package.
[07:04] <felix> This may mean that the package is missing,
[07:04] <felix> has been obsoleted, or
[07:04] <Jucato> !pastebin
[07:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:04] <felix> is only available from another source
[07:05] <levi_> Question
[07:05] <levi_> How would I get Kubuntu 6 to ICS
[07:05] <levi_> and file share?
[07:06] <felix> Package koffice has no installation candidate
[07:07] <nimble> try sudo apt-get update
[07:08] <omar> que tal
[07:08] <omar> saludos a todas las chicas guapas
[07:10] <pingveno> !es | bs_as
[07:10] <ubotu> bs_as: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:11] <pingveno> I think that's right notice :/
[07:12] <pingveno> I just love Babel Fish's translation of the es message
[07:12] <pingveno> "If it looks for aid in Spanish please between in the channels # ubuntu-is, # kubuntu-is or # edubuntu-is, will obtain but aid there."
[07:15] <Sleepy_Coder> lol, pingveno
[07:15] <pingveno> So, does anyone have any clue what's happening with the aiff issue?
[07:15] <dsmith_> lol
[07:16] <pingveno> amarok not being able to open aiff files
[07:19] <arun> hi
[07:20] <hendaus> somebody help me please!
[07:21] <felix> thanks nimble
[07:21] <felix> i would like to help you hendaus but i'm just a newbie at linux
[07:21] <felix> thanks dsmith
[07:22] <hendaus> felix thanx, is there an amule if i want to copy my link as friend and send it to my friends to add me?
[07:23] <felix> sorry hendaus, i don't know the answer.
[07:23] <felix> you may want to try google for that
[07:23] <hendaus> felix,  dont worry , maybe some one use amule and they could help me :)
[07:25] <felix> yeah, hendaus. have a good day then
[07:25] <felix> hope you can find the answers to your questions and worries
[07:25] <felix> need to go..
[07:25] <felix> bye..
[07:28] <Angelin> Hello World I need some help
[07:28] <Angelin> is there someone here who's able to help me ? ^^
[07:31] <TuTuFF> morn
[07:32] <TuTuFF> whassup Angelin?
[07:33] <Angelin> hum I would like to shut down grub (sorry if the words aren't very good employed but I'm French :p)
[07:36] <max> isnt there a terminal command to change all parts of the sources.list that say edgy to feisty?
[07:37] <Angelin> mmh I don't think so :p
[07:37] <Angelin> So TuTuFF can you help me ?
[07:37] <nimble> you mean just a find and replace?
[07:37] <max> yes
[07:37] <Angelin> oooooh
[07:37] <Angelin> i didn't understand that max sorry
[07:37] <max> no prob
[07:39] <max> so does anyone know it?
[07:41] <nimble> you could probably make one pretty fast if it needs to be only a terminal command
[07:41] <max> !update
[07:41] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[07:42] <nimble> is there a reason you cant just open it in a text editor and find and replace from there?
[07:42] <max>   sudo sed -e 's/\sedgy/ feisty/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <max> there it is
[07:43] <max> cause thats alot easier
[07:43] <Jucato> vim, then, :%s/edgy/feisty/g ?
[07:44] <robotgeek> why aren't we using the nice dist-upgrade tool?
[07:44] <unix_infidel> anyone here running ubuntu on a Dell D620?
[07:44] <max> because i think its easier in the term
[07:45] <Jucato> the dist-upgrade wouldn't even require you to edit anything...
[07:45] <Jucato> (when it works...)
[07:45] <robotgeek> ++
[07:45] <max> i didnt edit anything
[07:45] <acemo> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/./Packages.gz  404 Not Found anyone else is unable to fetch the kde4 packages?
[07:45] <max> i just did "sudo sed -e 's/\sedgy/ feisty/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list " and now im donig a dist-upgrade
[07:45] <nixternal> acemo: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1 feisty main
[07:45] <nixternal> put that in your sources.list
[07:46] <nixternal> acemo: just so you know, the uploads aren't complete. so you won't get to play with any of the kde-extras at all. that is just a base kde4 buildout
[07:46] <max> kde4 is in alpha right now right?
[07:46] <Jucato> max: the advantage of the dist-upgrade tool is that 1) it makes sure you have the necessary packages to properly dist-upgrade (stuff like kubuntu-desktop) and 2) it disables all other repositories that may conflict with the upgrade
[07:46] <nixternal> max: correct
[07:46] <Jucato> max: yep
[07:47] <acemo> nixternal: tnx, u think i should wait till the uploads are complete? how long should that take?
[07:47] <max> Jucato: acctually this is Xubuntu, and im uninstalling the xubuntu-desktop to get the ubuntustudio-desktop and all its stuff
[07:47] <Jucato> um... and let me guess, no one is answering you in #xubuntu ?
[07:47] <max> no
[07:47] <max> when i connected to konversation it went here
[07:48] <Jucato> ah I see
[07:48] <Jucato> the guys over at #xubuntu might know better on how to dist-upgrade
[07:48] <max> and since all the *buntus are basically the same it dosnt really matter
[07:48] <Jucato> well, yes *and* no
[07:48] <nixternal> acemo: there is no telling seeing as the man uptop with the @ is at UDS or in transit back home
[07:49] <nixternal> I have half of the extra modules built, but amd64 only right now
[07:49] <max> imy main hd is kubuntu, i originally installed dapper and ive always done manual upgrades with it, no problems yet
[07:49] <Jucato> you have to remember that you're not only upgrading the base packages, but the desktop-specific packages as well
[07:52] <carutsu> hello
[07:54] <carutsu> I have a small sound problem, sound is only coming from one speaker only, i found the problem is on alsamixer as left speaker is muted, however the real problem is that i fix it and it works only for that session i doesnt save, once i restart i gotta do it again
[07:57] <flowingfire> Hey there... Does anybody here happen to use VirtualBox?
[07:58] <carutsu> that and i need to stop checking the disk, i forgot where to change the 1 to 0, xD
[07:58] <flowingfire> I'm typing to you from VirtualBox right now, and I can't get out... lol.  What command can I use to re-gain control of linux instead of being stuck in VirtualBox?
[07:59] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[07:59] <nixternal> ctrl+alt
[07:59] <carutsu> flowingfire: google is your friend http://www.virtualbox.org/download/UserManual.pdf
[07:59] <nixternal> or is that vmware? I think they are the same though
[08:00] <flowingfire> lol... I tried ctrl-alt, nixternal. :)  Carutsu-- thanks for the link. :)
[08:00] <carutsu> flowingfire: no problem
[08:00] <flowingfire> But I'm kinda laughing at myself right now too. :)
[08:00] <nixternal> hahaha, I am laughing at you as well ;p
[08:00] <carutsu> nixternal: what for?
[08:00] <nixternal> I have only used VBox for 5 minutes and the window sizing annoyed me on my widescreen
[08:00] <Jucato> heh :)
[08:01] <carutsu> have anyone read my question?
[08:01] <nixternal> it wouldn't shrink down like vmware does/did
[08:01] <flowingfire> heh.... Well, I'm hoping to get seamless integration w/ windows.  (Yeah right.)
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> i reda your question, not sure how to help you
[08:01] <nixternal> carutsu: I seen the question, but I am lost. when it comes to sound I am out of it
[08:02] <carutsu> Admiral_Chicago, nixternal well gotta fix it by hand every time, not very annoying
[08:02] <Jucato> !away > lobster
[08:03] <nixternal> no, that *sounds* very annoying :)
[08:03] <carutsu> and how about the fsck? _that's_ annoying as windows have some error or something in the disk and every time i boot i gotta wait for it to check it
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: chicagoans
[08:03] <Jucato> ah ok. I'll *try* to remember that :)
[08:03] <nixternal> hehe
[08:03] <n8k99> they're all from chitonw
[08:03] <raidmax> hey can anyone help me validate cgi text fields
[08:04] <nixternal> 1am, wow it is late
[08:04] <nixternal> raidmax: how are you trying to validate?
[08:04] <raidmax> using regular expressions
[08:04] <raidmax> using perl
[08:04] <nixternal> been a while since I messed with cdi
[08:04] <nixternal> cgi
[08:04] <nixternal> raidmax: you can try #perl
[08:04] <raidmax> kk
[08:04] <raidmax> #perl
[08:04] <nixternal> they are pretty quick to knock you out with their minds
[08:04] <raidmax> wats dat
[08:04] <nixternal> aother IRC channel
[08:05] <mendred> hi when i use beryl with mplayer i get a border around the player window when it is skinned..any workarounds?
[08:05] <raidmax> how do i use that
[08:05] <carutsu> nixternal: near everywhere in #c++ are pretty rude too
[08:05] <Jucato> ##c++....
[08:05] <Jucato> mendred: hm.. try #beryl or #ubuntu-effects
[08:05] <carutsu> Jucato: well is the same, is a redirection, isn't it? whi does it have two #?
[08:05] <nixternal> ya, the c++ guys annoy the hell out of me at times
[08:05] <mendred> Jucato: thanks
[08:06] <nixternal> carutsu: something about being official and un-official or private or something
[08:06] <Jucato> carutsu: I forgot the reason. something about the official status of the channel
[08:06] <Jucato> see? nixternal confirmed it :P
[08:06] <carutsu> nixternal, Jucato ok
[08:06] <carutsu> xD
[08:06] <nixternal> ya, I read it somewhere I think
[08:10] <MrDigimon> Is anyone here?
[08:11] <MrDigimon> ok
[08:12] <MrDigimon> people here look kinda...dead
[08:13] <Jucato> hm... it's a weekend, it's almost night/dawn at one part of the world, hm...
[08:13] <MrDigimon> here in northern europe its morning
[08:14] <nixternal> here in Chicago it is morning as well ;)
[08:14] <MrDigimon> :D
[08:14] <Skrot-> 1.14AM in Chicago? :p
[08:14] <nixternal> yup
[08:14] <Jucato> hehe
[08:15] <nixternal> roy d. mercer?
[08:17] <Skrot-> What now?
[08:17] <MrDigimon> no idea
[08:20] <MrDigimon> how many of u in here have updated to kde 4?
[08:20] <Jucato> um... for what purpose?
[08:20] <carutsu> MrDigimon: updated? only kamikaze-ones
[08:20] <Jucato> kde 4 is still alpha. nothing much to upgrade to
[08:21] <MrDigimon> just wondering :P
[08:21] <carutsu> it's first alpha, it will be so buggy that you will barely have time to blink between crashes
[08:21] <carutsu> xD
[08:22] <MrDigimon> then i dont think i should update my comp crashes enough
[08:22] <MrDigimon> XD
[08:23] <carutsu> MrDigimon: crashes? my only crashes are konqueror's ones... and weird enough after i close it xD
[08:23] <carutsu> oh an OOo ones when i try to, say, install a new dictionary
[08:24] <MrDigimon> konquror chrashes much here too but i dont think it have been any for awhile now
[08:26] <nimble> konqueror only crashes for me ive been watching flash stuff
[08:26] <nimble> (not always)
[08:26] <carutsu> mmm, when i close konqueror somtimes i get the error screen, and I'm like 'er i already closed it, oh well'
[08:27] <carutsu> would anyone of you make me a favor? can you open the assistant for OOo and try to install a new dictionary? still crashes here so I'm reporting it but i'd like a confirmation
[08:28] <MrDigimon> have anyone had problem with slow internet?
[08:28] <carutsu> nevermind it's already reported
[08:28] <xonecas> Hi, I just instaled kubuntu feisty
[08:28] <carutsu> MrDigimon: nop, actually i have a better performace in linux than windows, weird eh
[08:28] <carutsu> xonecas: hi
[08:28] <MrDigimon> i have it the other way that its faster in windows
[08:28] <xonecas> I have the broadcom 43xx wireless
[08:29] <xonecas> how do I make it work ? ndiswrapper ?
[08:29] <xonecas> carutsu:  HI
[08:29] <MrDigimon> i have tried to install firestarter, it became a bit faster, and i have disabled the ipv6
[08:30] <MrDigimon> but its still slow ;(
[08:31] <carutsu> xonecas: I have no clue, have you googled it?
[08:31] <xonecas> yeah
[08:31] <carutsu> xonecas: remember young padawan google is your friend: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990
[08:31] <matt__> hi, could I ask a question on vm servers?
[08:31] <MrDigimon> ive tried but its always the same thing that shows up: the ipv6 tunnel or firestarter
[08:32] <carutsu> matt__: you may but i dont really think it'll be solved here, and remember
[08:32] <carutsu> !ask|matt__
[08:32] <ubotu> matt__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:32] <carutsu> MrDigimon: i wish i could be more usefull however it's been strightforward to me
[08:32] <matt__> is vmware opensource and 'supported' on kubuntu?
[08:33] <Lynoure> Recently most of the podcasts I'm subscribed with with Amarok started showing duplicate entries. How can I fix it?
[08:34] <carutsu> matt__: first and most important of all google something it'll save you time, for some vmware information go to http://www.vmware.com/
[08:35] <carutsu> matt__: as far as i know its not opensource but freeware
[08:35] <carutsu> matt__: if you are a purist you may try virtualbox which isopensource
[08:36] <carutsu> !virtualbox|matt__
[08:36] <ubotu> matt__: VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[08:36] <matt__> ok, id rather use open source, Im just looking at xen in adapt
[08:37] <carutsu> there are plenty of choices, "Virtual PC", "BOCHS" and "QEMU" are GPL too
[08:38] <carutsu> matt__:: and finally if you are interested in vmware, you may find usefull: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_fawn_vmware_server_howto
[08:38] <Hirvinen> matt__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=comparison+of+virtual+machines
[08:39] <MrDigimon> have anyone here tried to install Windows Xp with Qemu?
[08:39] <carutsu> nope, have you?
[08:39] <matt__> ok, I think virtualbox looks good, im going to try and install it!
[08:39] <MrDigimon> i tried but it froze when it tried to install the devices
[08:39] <nimble> does anyone else have this problem where the first keypress after booting up doesnt register?
[08:40] <MrDigimon> nope
[08:40] <carutsu> what I'm wondering right now is if i can run an already installed winxp with any of those... i already have it installed and as i dont have a recovery cd... it'll be ard to reinstall
[08:40] <carutsu> nimble:weird
[08:41] <matt__> actually, changed my mind, gonna go with xen as its in adept
[08:42] <MrDigimon> carutsu: i have no idea
[08:42] <carutsu> matt__: be my guest, that's the good thing about opensource it's really up to you
[08:42] <matt__> does anyone know which package will install it? is it ubuntu-xen-desktop?
[08:43] <carutsu> MrDigimon: yesm after they discovered HDD recovery they became cheap
[08:43] <matt__> carutsu, yes, I like open source!
[08:44] <carutsu> guys gotta have some sleep
[08:45] <carutsu> see you all around
[08:45] <MrDigimon> smell ya later XD
[08:45] <carutsu> err ok, i was expecting a "read you later instead" xD
[08:46] <MrDigimon> well it works too
[08:46] <MrDigimon> :P
[08:46] <carutsu> kernel panic carutsu doesnt recogniced the parameter "smell" and tried to kill init
[08:46] <carutsu> xD
[08:46] <MrDigimon> :D
[08:46] <matt__>  ubuntu-xen-desktop says This package will install a suite of software for running Xen on SERVERS?
[08:46] <matt__> is this just a mistake in the description?
[08:46] <carutsu> matt__: a server is any host computer, isnt it?
[08:47] <matt__> thank you carutsu
[08:47] <carutsu> matt__: np
[08:47] <carutsu> hope you dont have problems
[08:47] <carutsu> check out any good tutorial on the net
[08:48] <carutsu> matt__ remember google anything you want it'll be very usefull and you'll learn
[08:48] <carutsu> matt__ good luck
[08:48] <matt__> ubuntu-xen-desktop - it doesnt install any gnome dependencies does it? do you know?
[08:49] <carutsu> mat__ oops, i dont know, mmm may be the gui, a lot of gui's are made in gtk for portability (i think)
[08:49] <MrDigimon> carutsu: didnt u say that u needed some sleep?
[08:49] <carutsu> MrDigimon: err well i do
[08:50] <carutsu> MrDigimon: xD
[08:50] <MrDigimon> xD
[08:50] <carutsu> MrDigimon: take good care of matt__, and tell aunt sarah i will not go back for christmass
[08:50] <carutsu> xD
[08:50] <MrDigimon> :)
[08:50] <matt__> night carutsu, thanks for your help
[08:51] <carutsu> matt__ np glad to be usefull
[08:51] <carutsu> well see you around
[08:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[08:53] <MrDigimon> mornin...
[08:54] <matt__> MrDigimon, ive installed xen, but i;ve looked in the start menu to find it, but its not there
[08:54] <matt__> how do I start xen do you know?
[08:54] <MrDigimon> tried to start via shell?
[08:55] <MrDigimon> it might work, and if it dont, i dont have any idea
[08:55] <MilhousePunkRock> does anyone know if feisty's logout dialog is available for other distros too?
[08:56] <MilhousePunkRock> because I would really like to have it on my gentoo box too...
[08:56] <MrDigimon> i have no idea
[08:56] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: no it isn't
[08:57] <Jucato> matt__: I think you "run" Xen as a separate session, from the login menu. not really sure though
[08:57] <Jucato> !xen
[08:57] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: So I don't need to browse through kde-apps all day anyway?
[08:58] <Jucato> yep
[08:58] <Jucato> you could probably apt-get source the code, but I'm not sure where it is.
[08:59] <Jucato> it's just a patch to the current logout dialog anyway, so it might be in kdebase
[08:59] <Jucato> or ksmserver.. hm... let me see...
[08:59] <matt__> thank you ubotu
[08:59] <sebastian_> kubuntu es?
[08:59] <sebastian_> somebody help my?
[08:59] <Jucato> matt__: ubotu is a bot :)
[08:59] <Jucato> !ubotu | matt__
[08:59] <ubotu> matt__: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:59] <Jucato> bah wrong factoid... but anyway...
[09:00] <neptunepink> !turing
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about turing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <neptunepink> !turing test
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about turing test - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <neptunepink> ah, well, you pass it anyways. :)
[09:01] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: the relevant package/app seems to be ksmserver
[09:01] <matt__> well you learn something new every day! lol
[09:02] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato: Yeah, I think so too, of course I spent some time with google before comming here...
[09:05] <MrDigimon> how many of u have friends that always tells u to change from linux to windows?
[09:06] <matt__> yes, I do
[09:06] <MrDigimon> its annoying isnt it?
[09:07] <matt__> sorry, i miss-read the question, no, I tell people to change to linux
[09:07] <MrDigimon> ok, i do the same thing but its hard to get them to do it
[09:08] <matt__> what do you think is the main reason why it is difficult to convert?
[09:08] <MilhousePunkRock> matt__: Games, followed by laziness
[09:09] <MrDigimon> all of them allways think of the games in windows so they dont want to change(even if it doesnt exist virus on linux )
[09:09] <MrDigimon> an they are allways scared of something they dont know anything of
[09:10] <Jucato> "change" is the main reason
[09:10] <matt__> i agree, games is a big one, also I dont think people understand what an operating system is
[09:10] <matt__> so when they want to install a program, they dont understand why they cannot
[09:12] <MrDigimon> but it exits some funny games on linux like Supertux (super mario)
[09:12] <matt__> thanks for your help today guys, but im off now, ill be on later asking for more help! lol!
[09:13] <MrDigimon> dont ask to much, we can get tired of u lol
[09:18] <Lynoure> Strigi-daemon seems to crash every time I start indexing
[09:19] <MrDigimon> is strigi-daemon like daemon tools for windows or is it something else?
[09:19] <Lynoure> MrDigimon: it's a daemon for desktop search
[09:19] <MrDigimon> ok
[09:20] <Jucato> MrDigimon: a daemon is the term for "background service/process" in Linux
[09:20] <Jucato> nothing to do with Daemon Tools
[09:20] <MrDigimon> ok, i was just wondering when they nearly had the same name
[09:21] <Jucato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software)
[09:21] <Jucato> well, daemons existed looong before Daemon Tools :)
[09:22] <MrDigimon> thx for explaining, i havent used linux for so long yet
[09:23] <MrDigimon> but i still havent got a clue to help u lol
[09:23] <Jucato> not me though :)
[09:24] <MrDigimon> but im sure u will get that working sooner or later
[09:26] <Lynoure> MrDigimon: I gave up on it for now. I can pretty much remember where I keep my files for now. Heard it is going to be in KDE4, so maybe it will work then =)
[09:26] <MrDigimon> hopefully it will
[09:29] <Lynoure> Hmm, I started wondering if there is some setting for menu exit sensitivity...
[09:29] <MrDigimon> maybe
[09:30] <Lynoure> With long konqueror bookmark folder hierarchies I sometimes accidentally more the mouse subtly wrong, exiting the menu accidentally
[09:34] <nimble> menu exit sensitivity?
[09:35] <Lynoure> nimble: I just tried to explain what I meant. If it did not help, can you tell which part was left weird?
[09:35] <Lynoure> s/weird/vague
[09:36] <Lynoure> nimble: I don't know if such setting exist, so I also do not know what they'd call it.
[09:36] <nimble> well my menu only exits when i click or move the cursor to a different submenu (and im moving the mouse more down than across)
[09:37] <llutz> hi
[09:37] <nimble> actually its as long as im not moving it too fast
[09:37] <Lynoure> nimble: not when you accidentally move the mouse 1px outside the submenu into the root level menu?
[09:39] <Lynoure> nimble: it's especially frustrating when the submenu you are in is 5th level or so :)
[09:39] <MrDigimon> read u later dudes, we gonna have guests...
[09:39] <nimble> ah, well its based on the speed youre moving the mouse
[09:39] <nimble> if youre moving the mouse fast then it wont go
[09:39] <MrDigimon> bye
[09:40] <Lynoure> nimble: so it is especially hard for slow and clumsy people? Weird.
[09:42] <nimble> you must have a lot of bookmarks if theres 5 levels
[09:43] <iGraphite> hey
[09:43] <Lynoure> But actually I cannot even do the speed that would stop me from going to the root level vertically. Horizontally there seems to be a limit
[09:44] <Lynoure> nimble: about 2000, maybe
[09:44] <nimble> maybe itd be faster and easier to use the bookmarks search
[09:46] <dettoaltrimenti> in kdm theme manager, it says I need to be administrator to make changes, but there's no 'administrator' button
[09:46] <Lynoure> nimble: unfortunately not fast or easy, as I often do not know the specific site name or even wether it is Finnish or English
[09:47] <Lynoure> nimble: so, do you have speedlimit on the vertical leap?
[09:48] <nimble> mine seems to be based purely on mouse, not whether its horizontal or vertical
[09:48] <nimble> i can open a window and just wave the mouse around over the root menu and the submenu stays open
[09:49] <Lynoure> nimble: you meant mouse speed?
[09:49] <nimble> yeah
[09:49] <Lynoure> nimble: Do you know if there is any way of adjusting the speedlimit?
[09:49] <flaccid> jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack uses kde instead of a candlestick
[09:50] <misolax> su tu slovaci???
[09:50] <pag> !sl | misolax__
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <nimble> no sorry
[09:51] <pag> !sk
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <se7en_> somebody uses a Satellite P205-S6287 toshiba notebook?
[09:51] <misolax__> jj
[09:51] <pag> no luck :-/
[09:51] <nimble> i expect it wouldnt be too hard to change within the code
[09:53] <Jucato> !cz | misolax__
[09:53] <ubotu> misolax__: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:53] <Lynoure> Having like 0.5 second delay on exiting would be ideal for me.
[09:54] <Lynoure> nimble: Maybe I'll try that some day :)
[09:54] <Lynoure> Hah, found a workaround, arrow keys.
[09:55] <misolax__> sory
[09:55] <flaccid> !beryl
[09:55] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:56] <flaccid> anyone seen kubuntu specific beryl guides?
[09:56] <nimble> its pretty much the same as ubuntu
[09:56] <flaccid> it is the same
[09:57] <flaccid> kubuntu users can get confused when there are gnome specific instructions
[09:58] <flaccid> ok it is in the wiki
[09:58] <flaccid> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BerylOnFeisty
[09:58] <flaccid> Jucato: wonder if we can get a #kubuntu specific trigger for ubotu to advise that link
[10:00] <_RadioHead> morning
[10:02] <flaccid> evening
[10:07] <_RadioHead> flaccid: :)
[10:08] <_RadioHead> flaccid: why i can`t use internet when i use dhcp configuration on eth0 ?
[10:08] <flaccid> i don't know
[10:08] <flaccid> misconfiguration?
[10:08] <flaccid> need more information
[10:08] <flaccid> does /etc/resolv.conf have nameservers?
[10:10] <EyeVisions> solved problem screensaver wound't start automatic. Do not uninstall laptop batterij even when your not on a laptop
[10:12] <EyeVisions> works then oke here
[10:15] <_RadioHead> flaccid: moment
[10:16] <_RadioHead> yes resolv.conf have nameservers
[10:16] <_RadioHead> do no why is that
[10:17] <_RadioHead> if i give static ip then internet is working
[10:17] <llutz> _RadioHead: but your dhcp-server works ok?
[10:17] <flaccid> yes but when you use dhcp, are nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[10:17] <EyeVisions> !surround
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <_RadioHead> llutz: 100%
[10:18] <_RadioHead> flaccid: yes
[10:18] <flaccid> you might want to check that is is giving the right ip. ifconfig
[10:18] <_RadioHead> more /etc/resolv.conf
[10:18] <_RadioHead> nameservers IP
[10:18] <_RadioHead> nameserver IP23
[10:18] <flaccid> check the gateway in netstat -r
[10:18] <cox37777> hey all
[10:19] <EyeVisions> o/
[10:19] <_RadioHead> flaccid: i think it is something with dhcp on ubuntu
[10:20] <flaccid> check your given IP address, broadcast, nameservers and gateway first
[10:20] <_RadioHead> flaccid: all work ok dude with other OS/PC
[10:20] <flaccid> my dhcp doesn't even work on boot with my kubuntu feisty. quite ghey. and yeah ubuntu seems to have various dhcp issues in my experience too, usually becuase of networkmanager
[10:20] <_RadioHead> i try slax , windows ...
[10:20] <_RadioHead> suse,slackware ...
[10:21] <flaccid> i use freebsd myself
[10:22] <EyeVisions> don't use dhcp over here so i have no  problems
[10:23] <_RadioHead> EyeVisions: when i give static ip it is ok everything
[10:23] <_RadioHead> flaccid: :) i use freebsd before litle bit on 166Mhz :)
[10:23] <EyeVisions> yep have no problems
[10:23] <EyeVisions> on kubuntu feisty
[10:24] <EyeVisions> some small things only
[10:27] <EyeVisions> ls $KDEDIR/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[10:28] <EyeVisions> excuus
[10:30] <stamen>
[10:30] <stamen> hi
[10:31] <stamen> my box can't mount automaticaly the CD-ROM
[10:31] <stamen> what can I do
[10:31] <stamen> I am with faisty
[10:31] <stamen> fawn
[10:31] <stamen> I have problem only with CD-ROM
[10:32] <stamen> so what to do
[10:32] <stamen> please help me
[10:36] <EyeVisions> you have it mount it as root stamen
[10:36] <stamen> why as root
[10:36] <stamen> before when I insert the disk
[10:36] <stamen> it has opened automativali
[10:37] <EyeVisions> it was more for me if it then work
[10:37] <stamen> when I was with dapper, but now it wont
[10:37] <stamen> and I want to make as it was before
[10:39] <zsz> is there a kubuntu livecd version that has kpat installed?
[10:40] <_buz> zsz: you can use apt-get on the live cd
[10:40] <crazyrobot> !kpat
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <_buz> its just that after a reboot, it wont be installed anymore, obviously
[10:40] <zsz> sure I can but the one that's going to use it has never even touched linux
[10:41] <MrDigimon> _buz: because it's installed in the ramdisk
[10:41] <_buz> MrDigimon: yeah i know that ;9
[10:41] <_buz> but this helped me several times
[10:42] <_buz> because you can use obscure recovery tools that way quite easily
[10:42] <zsz> so there isn't a livecd with kpat preinstalled...
[10:44] <zsz> is there a way I can preinstall it?
[10:44] <zsz> bu modifying the cd image
[10:45] <zsz> by*
[10:48] <zsz> yeah, I found a howto on building livecd, will try that. Thanks guys
[10:59] <stamen> in the kernel which option responds to CD-ROM support
[11:01] <kraut> moin
[11:03] <MrDigimon> anyone alive in here?
[11:04] <pag> MrDigimon, no :)
[11:04] <zsz> MrDigimon, absolutely not
[11:05] <MrDigimon> tought so, hey waitamin....
[11:05] <S-Angeli> Why I have never been able to print from kubuntu any print picture over a network printer?  I am able to print test pages but not pictures. The printrer is always showing "Printing in Progress" but never prints. From other linux distro and from windows it prints fine and fast
[11:05] <S-Angeli> Any advice please?
[11:06] <MrDigimon> what are the model of the printer?
[11:06] <S-Angeli> HP LaserJet 1320n
[11:06] <MrDigimon> ok
[11:07] <Blissex> S-Angeli: the KDE print subsystem prints pictures *very* slowly.
[11:07] <S-Angeli> I see
[11:07] <S-Angeli>  so it is not related to ubuntu but to kde?
[11:07] <S-Angeli> what about other desktop manager like gnome or others?
[11:07] <S-Angeli> are they the same?
[11:08] <Blissex> S-Angeli: try to print from GQView or from Firefox, might make a difference.
[11:08] <S-Angeli> I will try
[11:08] <S-Angeli> thks then.
[11:08] <Blissex> S-Angeli: I suspect that the KDE print subsystem generates extremely inefficient Postscript.
[11:08] <stamen> so, somehow my cd-rom device is not recongnized in my system
[11:08] <S-Angeli> does this happen on gnome too?
[11:09] <stamen> but it works on windows, how can that happen, in my custom kernel support for ATAPI device is cheked
[11:09] <stamen> where can be the mistake, can anybody tell me
[11:10] <stamen> and in /dev for which will be the device there
[11:10] <Blissex> stamen: depends on what you mean by not recognized, what do you expect to happen.
[11:11] <stamen> Blissex: k3b does not see that I have CD-rom
[11:11] <stamen> writer or reader
[11:11] <stamen> Blissex: it says that there is no such device
[11:12] <stamen> Blissex: and as I said, I have made a custom kernel, but the support for ATAPI device especialy CD-ROM is checked
[11:12] <stamen> Blissex: and it should support it, but not :(
[11:12] <marko> why i cant find the official ubuntu how-to ?
[11:13] <Blissex> stamen: try 'head /proc/ide/hd*/model'
[11:13] <stamen> Blissex: in fstab is written to be /dev/sdc
[11:13] <stamen> Blissex: no I will try this
[11:13] <Blissex> stamen: have you got a SATA CD/DVD drive?
[11:13] <stamen> Blissex: head: cannot open `/proc/ide/hd*/model' for reading: No such file or directory
[11:14] <Blissex> stamen: well then, that looks like your problem...
[11:14] <stamen> Blissex: no, but in new kubuntu it wants the divice to be with "s" instead of "h"
[11:14] <Blissex> stamen: unless your CD/DVD is SATA or external.
[11:14] <stamen> Blissex: it is IDE
[11:15] <stamen> Blissex: only ATA
[11:15] <Blissex> stamen: OK, then you know all you need to fix the kernel config.
[11:15] <stamen> Blissex: yes but I have checked for both for SATA and ATA ATAPI
[11:15] <stamen> Blissex: and it should work but not
[11:15] <stamen> :(
[11:16] <Blissex> stamen: sure, you have an ATAPI layer but no ATA chipset drivers.
[11:18] <stamen> Blissex: where are this drivers placed if you remember?
[11:18] <stamen> to see, I think they are checked too
[11:19] <stamen> Blissex: is there a specific name for this ATA chipset drivers
[11:19] <Blissex> stamen: under block devices and IDE. However what the above command says is that no IDE/ATA devices have been recognized.
[11:19] <premier_> hello, I just used a gparted liveCD to move my primary linux partition.  Everything seems to run just as it did before, but for some reason my konqueror bookmarks tab is broken.  Also, the KDE System Guard wont show the process table (something about a malformed XML file)
[11:20] <stamen> Blissex: why should them be not reconized
[11:21] <Blissex> stamen: beause you did not configure the relevant drivers. You need also to configure the IDE and CD drivers.
[11:21] <stamen> Blissex: I have this under block devices ->ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support  --->
[11:21] <stamen> Blissex: where is this option for IDE and CD drivers in this menu ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support  --->
[11:22] <premier_> Also, (unrelated problem) sometimes when I plug in my ethernet cord (I'm on a laptop), knetworkmanager attempts to switch from wireless to ethernet, but it gets stuck in some loop and I can't get online.  killing and restarting knetworkmanager fixes this
[11:22] <Blissex> stamen: it is a bit pointless to discuss this in detail... You jsut have to configure the right drivers until you see the name of the drive returned by that command.
[11:22] <stamen> ok
[11:22] <stamen> Blissex: 10x
[11:22] <Blissex> premier_: try to 'fsck' again. You may have unpleasant surprises.
[11:23] <Blissex> stamen: if you do 'head /proc/ide/*/model' you should see at least the names of the IDE chipsets you got.
[11:23] <premier_> Blissex: I know I shouldn't do fsck while online... should I reboot a liveCD?
[11:23] <Blissex> premier_: yes...
[11:23] <stamen> Blissex: ok
[11:23] <Blissex> premier_: just copying files around should not break anything.
[11:25] <premier_> Blissex: specifically, I expanded my primary linux partition (ext3) for a very full 55GB to 73GB and shrunk a windows partition (NTFS).  The windows partition was before the linux partition
[11:25] <Blissex> stamen: this is what I get here: http://pastebin.ca/484569 note the two "pci" chipset drivers.
[11:26] <Blissex> premier_: that is always a bit of a dangerous operation. However just expanding and especially with 'ext3' should be quite safe. However you did not just expand.
[11:26] <premier_> I didn't?
[11:27] <stamen> Blissex: yes I saw it, but I must find the option in the kernel
[11:27] <Blissex> premier_: because if you shrunk the NTFS partition and that was before the 'ext3' one that meant that the whole 'ext3' partition had to be shifted down.
[11:27] <stamen> Blissex: to enable all this
[11:27] <marko> why i can't find the official ubuntu how-to
[11:27] <Blissex> premier_: straight expand happens only if one adds more space at the end of a partition.
[11:27] <marko> is the server down
[11:27] <marko> ?
[11:27] <premier_> Blissex: oh, so shifting my partition was more than just copy pasta?  It had to make changes?
[11:28] <stamen> Blissex: when the /proc directory have to made