[01:34] <JoshStrobl> hey guys, how do I re-install a core app like the File Manager and Calendar? They don't open, icon blank, and just doing an uninstall then click the Install button again doesn't work. Is it a package I can grab via apt-get or a particular click I need to push and install using adb?
[01:54] <nhaines> JoshStrobl: not possible.
[01:54] <JoshStrobl> nhaines: *sigh*
[01:55] <JoshStrobl> nhaines: so I gotta do a fresh install then?
[01:57] <nhaines> JoshStrobl: sounds like it.
[05:28] <Vairam> can anyone send me the download link for ubuntu touch latest build for droid razr xt912
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Vairam
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> Vairam: ubuntu-touch works best for nexus devices for now..
[05:29] <Vairam> oh
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> Vairam: its also best you install channel=devel to receive updates
[05:29] <Vairam> i tried old build it has problem with tower
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> Vairam: also check the XDA formums for your device
[05:39] <Vairam> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[05:39] <Vairam> files from this link is not working
[06:28] <dholbach> good morning
[08:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Fresh Veggies Day! :-D
[08:30] <ybon> It's now three days my girlfriend uses the Nexus 4 on Ubuntu Touch I've installed for her, and she's yet gone to work with *my* phone :D (that they are both totally similar, apart from one being in English and the other in French)
[08:32] <ybon> Is phablet-screenshot working? I need to send her the SMS she receive :p
[08:33] <ybon> I have this error remote object '/tmp/mir_screencast_768x1280.rgba' does not exist
[08:33] <popey> ybon: yes, you need to patch it as the mir socket moved
[08:33] <popey> one moment let me find the bug
[08:33] <ybon> thanks popey :)
[08:35] <popey> ybon: bug 1327139
[08:36] <ybon> thanks!
[08:37] <ybon> davmor2: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1329289 are you sure the message is not sent?
[08:37] <ybon> I was about to file an issue about a similar problem I have with the indicator
[08:37] <oSoMoN> sil2100: hey could you (or someone you trust) comment on this minor packaging change in webbrowser-app? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/fonts-liberation/+merge/223203
[08:37] <ybon> but in my case the message *is* sent, but never appears in the message app as sent
[08:37] <davmor2> ybon: Yes as I never receive it :)
[08:38] <davmor2> ybon: I'm sending messages to myself.  So I know that the text comes through correctly
[08:38] <ybon> davmor2: ok :)
[08:38] <ybon> So I need to file a new one
[08:45] <ybon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1330390
[08:49] <ybon> where I can find the translation for "Unlock your PIN" message in the unlock PIN page? It's far too long in French, I'd like to propone another
[08:54] <ybon> popey: I don't see how to apply the info from the mirscreencast bug to phablet-screenshot, any hint?
[08:55] <ybon> i.e. I don't see any command line option for defining the socket in pablet-screenshot
[08:56] <popey> ybon: you need to ninja edit phablet-screenshot - the line which calls mirscreencast, add a -w /run/mir_socket
[08:56] <popey> i think
[08:57] <ybon> ooookey :)
[08:57] <ogra_> time that sergio returns so we can merge that fix
[08:57]  * ybon ninja mode
[09:04] <ybon> still remote object '/var/run/mir_screencast_768x1280.rgba' does not exist
[09:04] <popey> ybon: you need to update your phablet tools it seems you have very old ones
[09:04] <ybon> I see mir_screencast_768x1280_60Hz.rgba in /tmp
[09:04] <ybon> oh
[09:04] <popey> yeah, the freq was added a while back
[09:04] <ybon> should I need a new ppa?
[09:04] <popey> or ninja that in
[09:04] <popey> what release of ubuntu you using?
[09:04] <ybon> 14.04
[09:05] <ybon> yet time to upgrade? :p
[09:05] <popey>   Installed: 1.0+14.10.20140528.1-0ubuntu1
[09:05] <popey> no, I'm sticking to 14.04 as long as I can
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> till 2019 :p
[09:05] <ybon> 1.0+14.04.20140416-0ubuntu1
[09:05] <ybon> so I'm late, yeah
[09:05] <popey> yeah, yours is olde
[09:06] <ybon> it may be that I'm using a wrong ppa
[09:06] <popey>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
[09:06] <popey> thats where my phablet-tools came from
[09:06] <ybon> APT-Sources: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[09:07] <ybon> this is mine I guess
[09:07] <ybon> let me change that
[09:07] <ybon> thanks :)
[09:07] <popey> np
[09:07] <popey> how are you btw ☻
[09:07] <popey> also "morning"
[09:07] <ybon> :)
[09:07] <ybon> I'm fine :)
[09:08] <ybon> familly time https://twitter.com/informagicien/status/478299349718687745
[09:08] <ybon> and setting up my girlfriend phone :)
[09:09] <ybon> I'm planning a new run on OSMTouch, but don't know exactly when, as I need a bit of time to understand how to override the QT map to allow more control
[09:09] <popey> oh i saw that picture on the weekend, didn't realise you took it!
[09:10] <ybon> I took it... and eat it! ;)
[09:10] <popey> hehe
[09:12] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hey! Sure
[09:12] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thx!
[09:13] <ybon> humm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/phablet-tools shows mine as latest, so I need something more cowboy I guess
[09:14] <popey> well, the ppa will still fail with the mir_socket issue, but should have the 60Hz added
[09:15] <ybon> adding this one https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools atm
[09:16] <ybon> popey: just thinking, what about organizing a OSMTouch sprint at some point?
[09:16] <popey> sounds fun ☻
[09:17] <ybon> :)
[09:17] <popey> i like the idea of community people planning and running sprinting events.
[09:17] <popey> I'm planning on making some core apps hackdays soon. Maybe we could combine this, have core apps days mon-weds, and community app sprinting thurs-fri?
[09:18] <popey> (of course people are welcome to hack on whatever they want on whatever day they like)
[09:18] <popey> but we focus on two apps per day usually.
[09:19] <ybon> that sounds nice
[09:19] <ybon> also I can move somewhere over the world if there is some IRL event where we can have a more IRL sprint :)
[09:20] <popey> thats also something we're thinking of doing
[09:20] <ybon> The next need on OSMTouch is to have our own QtMap, so we can control more think, like double tap for zooming, or more map styles
[09:20] <popey> will bring it up in our team call later today
[09:20] <popey> maybe a sprint in the london office
[09:20] <ybon> cool :)
[09:20] <ybon> I would love that!
[09:21] <ybon> popey: screenshort working, thanks!
[09:22] <popey> \o/
[09:22] <ybon> (oh but phone frozen :p )
[09:22] <popey> ☹
[09:23] <ybon> damn, no way to unfreeze it
[09:23] <ybon> first time I see that
[09:25] <ybon> rebooting :s
[09:31] <ybon> someone able to help debug why I cannot install any app? This is was I get http://i.imgur.com/GD4YJZ8.png
[09:31] <ybon> the download seems ok, but then the install fails
[09:32] <ybon> downloads_db.cpp:147]  out of memory Error opening database <= in the ubuntu-download-manager logs
[09:32] <popey> ybon: what image you running?
[09:32] <popey> oof
[09:32] <ybon> #79
[09:33] <popey> go to accounts, sign out of Ubuntu One, and sign back in
[09:33] <ybon> ok
[09:33] <popey> then try again
[09:33] <popey> also we have some datacentre issues over the weekend which are still happening, if that doesn't fix it, then it *could* be that
[09:33] <ybon> but it works from my other phone
[09:34] <popey> ah okay, so likely is that issue
[09:34] <popey> auth token expired
[09:34] <ybon> (which I don't have with my right now because my gf took it by error this morning :p )
[09:34] <popey> hah
[09:34] <ybon> popey: but it seems that download is ok, only the install fails
[09:34] <popey> out of disk space?
[09:34] <ybon> according to df -h, no
[09:35] <ybon> popey: relogged, should I restart also?
[09:36] <popey> cant hurt
[09:36]  * ybon invoking black wizards at some point
[09:36] <popey> but shouldn't need to
[09:36] <ybon> ok :)
[09:36] <ybon> let's do that just in case
[09:36] <popey> get some chalk and a chicken
[09:37] <ybon> do you think sardinian gnocchis can do the job?
[09:37] <ybon> I can go for raviolis too if needed
[09:37] <popey> the gods of phone aren't fussy
[09:37] <popey> just no apples
[09:37] <ybon> :D
[09:39] <ybon> gasp, same error popey :(
[09:39] <popey> hm
[09:46] <popey> could be DC issue still then, i see no apps on my phone
[09:47] <ybon> ok
[09:47] <ybon> note that I see this problem from some days
[09:47] <ybon> and yet Friday I was able to download from my own phone, but not from the one of my gf, having this error
[09:48] <ybon> So I guess it's more linked to the phone itself than to an external source
[09:51] <meaning> hello all.
[09:51] <popey> hi
[09:51] <meaning> I'm gonna idle here a little bit as I am pretty enthusiastic about the project :)
[09:51] <popey> super!
[09:51] <meaning> especially interrested in the oem / tablet creation possibilities
[09:52] <meaning> I am looking for a device that would be molest proof...
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> meaning: we all run ubuntu-touch without molest here :p
[09:58] <meaning> hahaha yes I dont doubt it :)
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> its already more stable and much safer that bl**dy android
[09:59] <meaning> but I'm working in a very specific field where people tends to be very agressive with the hardware.
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> you wanna hammertest devices :p?
[09:59] <meaning> I'm looking for devices that looks like the ones we could use in the streets
[09:59] <meaning> avoiding vandalism
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> explain that a bit plz :p
[10:00] <meaning> well...I work with mentally insane people...want to make them make use of tablets. but they could easily hit them, break them...etc.
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> meaning: well you need rubber protection, rather then ubuntu touch then>?
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> meaning: or you want the software to be safe too?
[10:02] <meaning> I would like them to onyl be able to make use of very specific features
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> games?
[10:02] <meaning> a closed interface
[10:02] <meaning> yes games would be great
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> we have few games apps already on touch
[10:02] <meaning> lotuspsychje are you working for canonical ?
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> tnx to all the dev guys working on it
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> no, im a happy touch user
[10:03] <meaning> ok :)
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> meaning: installed touch on nexus7 tablet, and working smoothly
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> meaning: you have developing skillz?
[10:04] <meaning> just a little bit :)
[10:04] <meaning> my company has its own dev team
[10:04] <meaning> I am product manager ;)
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> meaning: interesting!
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> meaning: wich company is that
[10:04] <meaning> that's why I like to approach possible partners by connecting directly to the irc chans...in my opinion it is the best way to proceed
[10:05] <meaning> I'dd like not to talk about this atm ;)
[10:05] <meaning> sorry man :)
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> kk
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> you know 2 oem ubuntu touch phones are up to come this year?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> you can follow news on omgubuntu if you like
[10:05] <meaning> yes but I definitely will need tablets
[10:05] <meaning> :)
[10:05] <meaning> I already do
[10:05] <meaning> heh
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> well touch works on my tablet
[10:06] <meaning> lotuspsychje it's good to see that enthusiasm of users around here ! :)
[10:06] <meaning> gotta go for now...I'm working in GMT+1...meaning its time to lunch for me ! ;)
[10:06] <meaning> bbl
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> well, the enthousiasm is all about ubuntu
[10:06] <meaning> see you !
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[11:10] <Mirv> oSoMoN: any update on the Oxide update? we'd like to land Qt 5.3 this week and the compositing working would be absolutely needed for web
[11:25] <oSoMoN> Mirv, it will be landing this week for sure
[11:44] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok, keep me posted
[11:44] <oSoMoN> will do
[13:11] <AskUbuntu> E:unable to open debricking | http://askubuntu.com/q/484061
[13:20] <mpt> Wellark, how long does a Wi-Fi hotspot take to start, usually?
[13:20] <mpt> Half a second? Five seconds? Twenty?
[13:21] <ogra_> mpt, on the phone ?
[13:21] <mpt> ogra_, yes
[13:21] <ogra_> a week or two :)
[13:21] <mpt> har har
[13:21] <ogra_> (to implement it first)
[13:22] <ogra_> once implemented its a matter of a few seconds
[13:22] <mpt> Hmm, a few seconds is slow UI-wise
[13:22] <mpt> Okay, so we’ll need some progress feedback
[13:22] <mpt> Thanks ogra_
[13:22] <ogra_> it needs to switch the driver to a different mode and then do all the network-manager magic on top
[13:41] <ogra_> cyphermox, so i tested the BT audio stuff today on flo ... i get a connection but audio doesnt get routed through the BT speaker
[13:41] <cyphermox> ogra_: ok
[13:41] <cyphermox> have you tested on mako too?
[13:41] <cyphermox> I never had my hands on a flo to take a look at bluetooth
[13:43] <ogra_> my mako still runs the last promoted image that doesnt have the cahnges yet
[13:44] <cyphermox> ah, right
[14:03] <tedg> dbarth, alex-abreu, hey guys, I noticed that you're not registering for domains in url-dispatcher with webapps. Is there a reason, or didn't know about it, or TODO?
[14:04] <tedg> We'd put that feature in primarily for webapps. I'll drop it if it's useless :-)
[14:04] <alex-abreu> tedg, mostly that I didn't know about it :)
[14:04] <alex-abreu> tedg, any quick pointer where I can have a look?
[14:05] <alex-abreu> tedg, this is something that I have been waiting for some time (if it is what I think it is) but I missed the MR so didn't know it was in
[14:05] <tedg> alex-abreu, http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/uri-dispatcher-guide/
[14:05]  * tedg is trying to be good and use the new fancy link mhall119 gave him
[14:06] <mhall119> :)
[14:06] <tedg> alex-abreu, Basically allows facebook webapp to register for http://*.facebook.com
[14:06] <alex-abreu> tedg, precisely what I wanted :) ... awesome!
[14:06] <tedg> alex-abreu, So that way if an app has "Go to my Facebook page" and links, it could go to the webapp.
[14:07] <Saviq> barry, hey, I ended up with multiple versions of (preinstalled, afaict) clicks installed for the same user, anything I can do to debug what's happened?
[14:08] <pmcgowan> Saviq, yeah we all have that since last week, maybe gatox would know
[14:08] <alex-abreu> tedg, I might submit a few MRs or bgs, to enhance the uses cases (after I actually see what kind of patterns it can support)
[14:09] <tedg> alex-abreu, Cool, it's fairly simple right now. Just a domain suffix.
[14:09] <gatox> pmcgowan, Saviq no..... has pkcon changed in any way?
[14:10] <alex-abreu> tedg, right, it might be handy to e.g. support http & https and more precisely a form such as https?, etc.
[14:10] <tedg> alex-abreu, Sitting down with mpt we couldn't come up with use cases that needed more. So if you've got them we're game.
[14:10] <tedg> alex-abreu, You can register multiple in that case.
[14:10] <alex-abreu> tedg, we got them :)
[14:10] <pmcgowan> gatox, my theory was competing updates form the store and image
[14:10] <pmcgowan> since we download both at the same time
[14:10] <alex-abreu> tedg, right, but might be simpler w/ the ?
[14:11] <Saviq> gatox, nothing I know of
[14:13] <barry> Saviq: no idea from me, unfortunately
[14:14]  * Saviq wonders who should be notified of this
[14:14] <ogra_> Saviq, the click scope people ?
[14:14] <ogra_> or cjwatson as click maintainer ?
[14:14] <gatox> Saviq, if it is about click updates
[14:14] <gatox> me
[14:14] <Saviq> gatox, I'm not sure what happened, I just noticed after flashing my device today that I got missing icons
[14:14]  * ogra_ doubts its a UI thing ...
[14:15] <gatox> Saviq, i'll look into that... but the weird thing is that no changes has been made there this last weeks
[14:15] <ogra_> i have the same on my flo here
[14:15] <ogra_> well, i have them duplicated
[14:15] <Saviq> gatox, I didn't use the settings app to update anything OTA
[14:15] <Saviq> ogra_, yup, and missing icons?
[14:15] <ogra_> music, calculator etc are there twice
[14:15] <ogra_> right
[14:15] <Saviq> yeah, same thing
[14:15] <gatox> Saviq, ahh no system/click updates from system settings?
[14:15] <ogra_> and one is trannslated, the other isnt
[14:15] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, probably .mo missing
[14:15] <ogra_> i had updates iirc
[14:16] <ogra_> it is like that since a while on my flo ... (a week or so)
[14:16] <Saviq> gatox, not for those apps, no, preinstalled got updated via image flashing
[14:16] <gatox> Saviq, mmm if it wasn't during a system/click update from system settings..... then not me
[14:16] <Saviq> gatox, yeah, I didn't think so
[14:16] <Saviq> ogra_, do you know of a bug#?
[14:16] <ogra_> nope
[14:16]  * Saviq files
[14:16] <ogra_> i dont have it on my mako
[14:17] <ogra_> only on the flo
[14:17] <ogra_> (the mako is running promoted (79) though ... )
[14:17] <cjwatson> Saviq: simply having multiple versions shouldn't be a problem in itself
[14:17] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, the Ui presenting both of them to you is one :)
[14:18] <cjwatson> then people should say what they mean rather than coming up with proxies
[14:20] <cjwatson> Saviq: could you please pastebin: ls -l /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/ /home/phablet/.cache/upstart-app-launch/desktop/ /home/phablet/.local/share/applications/
[14:21] <Saviq> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7653266/
[14:22] <cjwatson> Saviq: ok, that's an ubuntu-app-launch bug - its hook should have synchronised ~/.local/share/applications/ with the source directory (~/.cache/upstart-app-launch/desktop/) and has failed to do so
[14:22] <cjwatson> Saviq: there might be something useful in ~/.cache/upstart/click-user-hooks.log (or something like that)
[14:23] <ogra_> is the dir still called upstart-app-launch after the rename ?
[14:23] <Saviq> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7653270/
[14:23] <cjwatson> ogra_: it was for a while, but indeed I just noticed it isn't any more
[14:24] <Saviq> grr ^W
[14:24] <ogra_> well, tedg should have done some transition from a maintainer scritp or so
[14:24] <cjwatson> Saviq: ls -l ~/.cache/ubuntu-app-launch/desktop/
[14:24] <cjwatson> ogra_: shouldn't be necessary
[14:24] <ogra_> k
[14:24] <Saviq> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7653277/
[14:25] <cjwatson> Saviq: right, still an ubuntu-app-launch bug despite my initial mistake :)
[14:26] <cjwatson> click has given it the right data but it isn't dealing with removed files properly
[14:27] <tedg> Sync issue between the cache and local/share/apps?
[14:28] <cjwatson> tedg: apparently; but that's entirely controlled by your hook :)
[14:28] <tedg> Sure, just missing a pastebin I think of the applications directory listing?
[14:28] <cjwatson> tedg: part of http://paste.ubuntu.com/7653266/
[14:29] <cjwatson> (disregard the first block, my u-a-l checkout was out of date)
[14:29]  * ogra_ assumes it will only affect people that updated preinstalled apps during the renaming ... i.e. wont affect promoted images (since they are so far apart in versions)
[14:30] <tedg> Who's machine is this? /me wants to ping the right person :-)
[14:30] <ogra_> tedg, Saviq and I see it
[14:30] <tedg> My guess is that you got one of the interim images that had the click desktop hook run.
[14:30] <ogra_> the pastes are from Saviq
[14:30] <tedg> ogra_, Can you see if they both have the X-Ubuntu-Application-ID field?
[14:31] <ogra_> right, i dont see it on my mako that only runs promoted images ... i do see it on my flo that runs all devel images
[14:31] <tedg> UAL won't delete something it didn't creat.
[14:31] <tedg> create
[14:31] <tedg> And it checks for that field to see if it created it.
[14:31] <ogra_> where is that tag exactly ?
[14:31] <tedg> ogra_, In the desktop file, likely towards the end.
[14:31] <tedg> ogra_, Generated one ~/.local/share/applications
[14:32] <ogra_> looking at gallery app, only the second one has it
[14:33] <tedg> Yeah, so the first one was created by the click desktop hook. Which is why UAL didn't delete it (and won't).
[14:34] <tedg> That was caused by a bug where the click desktop hook wasn't changed for the rename, so it ran before the UAL one.
[14:34] <ogra_> tedg, well, the prob now is that the UI gives me no way to remove the broken one
[14:35] <ogra_> trying the usual way i only get a "open" button ... no "remove" anywhere
[14:36] <ogra_> funnily tapping the icon-less entry properly opens the app
[14:37] <tedg> ogra_, Heh, if you just remove the applications directory and run the UAL hook it'll rebuild it for you.
[14:38] <tedg> Not a GUI solution, but a pretty quick fix.
[14:38] <ogra_> tedg, right, i dont moind doing that ... but we have many people out there running the proposed images ... probably a mail is in order to tell them how to get rid of that
[14:41] <sil2100> dholbach: ping :)
[14:41] <dholbach> sil2100, pong
[14:41] <cjwatson> tedg: ah, yeah, that would make sense
[14:42] <tedg> Sorry, wireless firmware died :-/
[14:42] <davmor2> Mirv: header isn't right in gallery on qt5.3 either
[14:43] <tedg> Sure, I'm surprised that people would be running devel-proposed for things they don't expect to wipe regularly. But don't mind sending the mail.
[14:43] <ogra_> well, some people like to live on the edge
[14:43] <ogra_> (i dont)
[14:43] <ogra_> :)
[14:44] <davmor2> tedg: because someone has to find the faults
[14:45] <tedg> I'll see if I can find the video of the house they just burned down in Dallas because the foundation was falling into the lake :-)
[14:45] <tedg> davmor2, We're good, we have enough faults, we don't need you to find more :-)
[14:47] <davmor2> tedg: Tough :P
[14:57] <Mirv> davmor2: oh, ok... file a bug, ping devs
[15:04] <janimo> barry, hi, I filed two MRs agains system-image-cli last week (one based on our conversation)
[15:08] <barry> janimo: yep, thanks i saw them, and they are on my list to review.  i was working on a few other big branches first, but i think both are sufficiently stalled at the moment that i won't wait for them to finish before looking at your branches.  hopefully in the next day or so, but ping me if they languish any longer than that
[15:08] <janimo> barry, thanks!
[15:09] <janimo> barry, the auth one is useful as some of our OEM builds are served over restricted https connections
[15:09] <oSoMoN> didrocks, hey, I need a core-dev ack on https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/fonts-liberation/+merge/223203, do you have a minute to look at it?
[15:11] <didrocks> oSoMoN: sure, doing
[15:12] <didrocks> oSoMoN: approved
[15:12] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[15:13] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, there is a phablet-screenshot fix awaiting your review and ack ...
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> any news on pdf reader yet?
[17:06] <balloons> ping jdstrand
[17:09] <jdstrand> balloons: hey
[17:09] <balloons> jdstrand, just curious about apparmor errors I still see from mknod: Jun 13 20:47:22 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [19523.720367] type=1400 audit(1402692442.412:389): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" parent=1852 profile="com.ubuntu.calendar_calendar_0.4.319" name="/home/phablet/autopilot/fakeenv/tmp99b763f1/.config/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/theme.ini.TJ9415" pid=9415 comm="qmlscene" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[17:10] <balloons> they don't affect anything, but they still exist and are a bit weird..
[17:11] <jdstrand> balloons: that isn't an exception listed in click.rules
[17:12] <jdstrand> this gets back to the problem of fakeenv that we discussed. there are non-app specific readonly paths that are affected by using fakeenv
[17:13] <jdstrand> they either need to be added to the click.rules file and copied in by the test tool or symlinked from the fakeenv to the real location by the test tool
[17:15] <balloons> jdstrand, is this yet another rule we didn't add then?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> downloading version 83...
[17:15] <balloons> if so, I guess, can we do so?
[17:17] <jdstrand> balloons: well, like I said. there is a choice. 1) have the test tool create the symlink from the fakeenv to the actual file and don't change the policy or 2) copy the file in to place in the fakeenv and update the policy
[17:18] <jdstrand> I think '1' is easier to maintain cause it is only in the test tool, whereas '2' is in the test tool and the clic.rules file in autopilot
[17:19] <jdstrand> '1' isn't totally isolated, but apps won't be allowed to change the contents of those symlinked files, so it shouldn't really be a problem
[17:20] <jdstrand> balloons: this is really going to have to be done for every file that is affected by resetting the XDG variables that isn't in the app-specific directory
[17:25] <jdstrand> balloons: grep HOME /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof/*/ubuntu/*/*|cut -d ':' -f 2- | sed 's/^ *//' | grep -v APP_|sort -u
[17:26]  * jdstrand would ignore the cordova-ubuntu-2.8 ones
[17:42] <balloons> jdstrand, ahh that's what you mean
[17:44] <balloons> so symlinking everything listed here will allow the app to read it under the fake home as usual and nothing more
[17:44] <balloons> and then I shouldn't see the errors
[17:44] <balloons> cool
[17:45] <jdstrand> balloons: right. apparmor will resolve the symlink so the policy doesn't have to be updated, yet, the app is accessing it under the fakeenv
[17:54] <rickspencer3> may I assume that image #83 has the split greeter revert?
[17:55]  * rickspencer3 updates
[17:55] <dobey> rickspencer3: #81 had it
[17:56] <rickspencer3> oh?
[17:56] <rickspencer3> dobey, was #81 promoted?
[17:56] <dobey> according to landing team mail
[17:56] <dobey> no, i don't think so
[17:56] <rickspencer3> right
[17:58] <ogra_> yeah, wplit greeter is out now
[17:58] <ogra_> *split
[18:01] <ogra_> cyphermox, awesome ... music from my speaker in #83 !!
[18:02] <cyphermox> ogra_: rsalveti landed the pulse changes?
[18:02] <ogra_> well, it works on mako (which just got 83 since i promoted it 30min ago)
[18:03] <ogra_> it doent work on flo ... which likely needs some extra pulse love
[18:04] <rsalveti> cyphermox: not yet, hopefully landing this week
[18:05] <cyphermox> hmm
[18:05] <rsalveti> cyphermox: oh, sorry
[18:05] <cyphermox> it should not work on either, or work on both
[18:05] <rsalveti> cyphermox: you mean the config changes
[18:05] <cyphermox> yeah
[18:05] <rsalveti> not pulse-droid
[18:05] <cyphermox> I see what you mean now ;)
[18:06] <rsalveti> not yet, will push in a few, just flashing a clean image to test
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> image gallery still crashing on version 83 on my nexus7
[18:07] <cyphermox> so how does it work on mako then?
[18:07] <cyphermox> unless we're just lucky in this particular case, and it goes to bluetooth anyway
[18:08] <cyphermox> ogra_: on flo, did you start music-app after or before connecting the bluetooth device?
[18:08] <ogra_> after
[18:08] <ogra_> i even killed and restarted it
[18:08] <cyphermox> ugh
[18:08]  * cyphermox will go buy a flo tomorrow
[18:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: cyphermox: wonder how it works on mako but not on flo without the pulse changes
[18:09] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox, rsalveti oh so the a2dp pulse thing did not land yet
[18:09] <rsalveti> will test and see
[18:09] <rsalveti> nops
[18:09] <ChickenCutlass> lol
[18:09] <ogra_> i'd try again but the BT indicator doesnt start scanning
[18:09] <ChickenCutlass> I wonder why it worked
[18:09] <cyphermox> rsalveti: that's what I was saying
[18:10] <ogra_> in fact i cant enable BT now on my flo
[18:10] <ogra_> :(
[18:10] <rsalveti> I got an a2dp device in hands, will test after it finishes flashing latest image
[18:11]  * ogra_ reboots :(
[18:11] <cyphermox> rsalveti: a2dp only?
[18:11] <rsalveti> yup
[18:11] <cyphermox> ok
[18:11] <cyphermox> what device?
[18:11] <cyphermox> I don't have any that are a2dp only
[18:11] <rsalveti> I guess it's the same speaker ogra_ had in the sprint
[18:11] <cyphermox> oh ok
[18:11] <dobey> ugh. #83 has the black screen of death issue still for me :(
[18:11] <cyphermox> Bose Mini SoundLink
[18:12] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:12] <cyphermox> ack
[18:12] <cyphermox> rsalveti: will you have time to help me with bluez/hsp this week?
[18:12] <cyphermox> like I mentioned before, kind of out of options and ideas on why it doesn't work
[18:12] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yup, planning to spend some time on that tomorrow already
[18:12] <cyphermox> alright
[18:13] <cyphermox> I tried with pulse-droid but didn't manage to switch the port to something that would do hsp
[18:13] <ogra_> ok, no go on my flo ... just confirmed again
[18:13] <cyphermox> all the profiles already appear fine for it
[18:13] <ogra_> its funny, since flo and mako are largely the same devices
[18:13]  * dobey wonders how the heck to even debug this issue
[18:14] <ogra_> dobey, start with /system/bin/logcat -d
[18:14] <ogra_> that should show you any driver issues
[18:16] <dobey> i did an adb shell while the screen was black, and whoopsie was doing something. not sure what crashed though
[18:58] <rsalveti> cyphermox: ogra_: system-settings seems to be quite broken for me on latest
[18:58] <rsalveti> after entering in the bluetooth section, I can't get back
[18:58] <cyphermox> broken how?
[18:59] <rsalveti> and the enable/disable icon is not there
[18:59] <cyphermox> click at the top left
[18:59] <cyphermox> press I mean
[18:59] <rsalveti> there's no top left :-)
[18:59] <rsalveti> let me take a picture
[18:59] <cyphermox> no title?
[18:59] <rsalveti> nops
[18:59] <cyphermox> yuck
[18:59] <cyphermox> why did this make it in the archive then? :D
[19:00] <rsalveti> right :-)
[19:00] <rsalveti> ogra_: how to take a screenshot now?
[19:00] <rsalveti> phablet-screenshot is not working for me
[19:00] <rsalveti> Failed to connect to server. Error was :connect: No such file or directory
[19:00] <rsalveti> remote object '/tmp/mir_screencast_768x1280.rgba' does not exist
[19:00] <rsalveti> guess because of the socket path changes
[19:01] <cyphermox> ah
[19:01] <cyphermox> there's a slight difference in the file name yeah
[19:01] <rsalveti> 115     adb shell mirscreencast -m /tmp/mir_socket -n1 -f $MIRFILENAME
[19:01] <rsalveti> wonder if we already have an MR for that
[19:02] <rsalveti> https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/phablet-tools/fix-socket-location/+merge/222422
[19:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: we need to land that :-)
[19:03] <rsalveti> let me test/review
[19:04] <rsalveti> cyphermox: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/system-settings.png
[19:05] <cyphermox> cute.
[19:05] <rsalveti> but it seems that every screen is broken
[19:05] <rsalveti> in system-settings
[19:05] <rsalveti> wtf
[19:05] <rsalveti> this is image 84
[19:06] <ChickenCutlass> rsalveti, I am running 84 -- its fine for me
[19:06] <rsalveti> weird, let me reboot
[19:08] <rsalveti> nah, still broken
[19:09] <rsalveti> wonder if that's a bad config or such
[19:12] <rsalveti> ChickenCutlass: cyphermox: yeah, worked fine after erasing ~/.config and such
[19:12] <ChickenCutlass> weird
[19:15] <rsalveti> can't connect, I'm able to see the device but stays on connecting
[19:29] <dobey> W/Adreno-ES20( 2368): <core_glReadPixels:212>: GL_INVALID_OPERATION
[19:29] <dobey> W/Adreno-EGLSUB( 2368): <CacheInvalidateHandle:243>: PMEM_INV_CACHES undefined
[19:29] <dobey> ogra_: ^^ if you're still around, do you think that could maybe be related to unblank failure? i see that on image #50 though which works, so maybe not?
[19:41] <rsalveti> cyphermox: can't connect with mako, for whatever reason
[19:42] <rsalveti> let me test with flo
[19:43] <rsalveti> alright, connected after removing the previous config I had for it, and rebooting
[19:52] <rsalveti> cyphermox: but after connecting with mako the route is still as before, not changed automatically (as expected)
[19:53] <cyphermox> yeah
[20:03] <AskUbuntu> Toughbook CF-C2 touch screen not detected | http://askubuntu.com/q/484226
[20:06] <elrafie> Hello
[20:06] <elrafie> hi all
[20:06] <elrafie> do ubuntu touch works in HTC one MAX
[20:07] <elrafie> do ubuntu touch works in HTC one MAX
[20:09] <elrafie> Hello
[20:09] <elrafie> do ubuntu touch works in HTC one MAX
[20:09] <elrafie> Hello
[20:09] <elrafie> do ubuntu touch works in HTC one MAX
[20:11] <popey> !devices | elrafie
[20:11] <elrafie> i found htc one
[20:11] <elrafie> but not max
[20:12] <elrafie> is one max and  one are same ?
[20:12] <elrafie> popey
[20:12] <elrafie> is one max and  one are same ?
[20:12] <elrafie> i found htc one but not max
[20:13] <popey> i have no idea
[20:13] <dobey> i'm sure he doesn't know
[20:13] <dobey> heh
[20:13] <popey> by the way, asking the same question over and over isn't useful usually
[20:13] <dobey> indeed
[20:14] <elrafie> who can answer this quesion
[20:14] <dobey> you can
[20:42] <noobfish> Hello
[20:42] <noobfish> I think about buying a Nexus 4 or 5 (my current phone broke down these days)
[20:43] <noobfish> I read that sound and bluetoth are making problems in nexus 5
[20:43] <noobfish> is this still up to date ?
[20:45] <noobfish> or in generall... is nexus 5 a bad idea ?
[20:46] <dm1ri> a bad idea in the meaning of using it for ubuntu touch or in general?
[20:47] <dm1ri> i have a question too, i still have a galaxy nexus^^ is there any way to install utopic on it? can i probaly use the armhf image?
[21:03] <noobfish> in generall it's a good phone:P i mean about ubuntu
[21:09] <robotfuel> artmello|afk: can you look at this when you have a chance, https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/1330648
[21:12] <robotfuel> artmello|afk: if it's a problem with libQt5Core or with the SDK and not the gallery-app let me know so I can assign it to the right project
[21:41] <AskUbuntu> Use Ubuntu on Tablet with mouse/keyboard? | http://askubuntu.com/q/484266
[23:13] <msvb-lab> Hi folks, got a problem after running 'dualboot.sh' and getting the /system/app/UbuntuInstaller.apk seems correct.
[23:13] <msvb-lab> ...but I see no 'Ubuntu Dualboot' icon in my apps list inside CM 10.2.1.
[23:14] <msvb-lab> Whoops, I meant Cyanogenmod 11 (not 10.2.1.)
[23:15] <msvb-lab> I just upgraded to 11 yesterday so assume this is a problem for UbuntuInstaller.apk?
[23:15] <msvb-lab> No ideas?
[23:34] <GLaDOS_> I need help!
[23:35] <GLaDOS_> I have samsung model:sm-T10R2, how do i install unbuntu????
[23:36] <sarnold> GLaDOS_: some unofficial ports are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:38] <GLaDOS_> sweet, would the Galaxy tab 2 port work even though my is a 3??
[23:39] <genii> Not sure I'd chance it.
[23:41] <GLaDOS_> oh could I brick my device?
[23:41] <GLaDOS_> I assume so
[23:41] <genii> Conceivably. And since it's not an official port, not much we could do for you here about it.
[23:42] <GLaDOS_> Thank you genii!
[23:43] <genii> GLaDOS_: You may find someone on the XDA forums that's working on it, but not listed on the official page given earlier
[23:44] <GLaDOS_> Thank you genni!! Take care!!!
[23:53] <frecel> GLaDOS_: compare the hardware elements of galaxy 2 and 3
[23:53] <frecel> GLaDOS_: if glaxy tab 3 just uses newer versions of the same hardware than I think you have some chance of making it work
[23:54] <frecel> GLaDOS_: if it doesn't then don't even bother
[23:54] <GLaDOS_> sweet Ill try it out
[23:54] <GLaDOS_> Thanks frecel!
[23:56] <GLaDOS_> http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-3-7.0,Samsung-GALAXY-Tab-2-7.0/phones/7834,6929 seems pretty close, take not where the chip type is located, on the table, there is no listing for tab2, because the field on the \left appys
[23:56] <GLaDOS_> applys
[23:56] <GLaDOS_> Id assume so?


[04:52] <Flannel> I isolated the "Pass it On!" icon/text from the official artwork, is it kosher to add it to the /Artwork/Official page?


[03:43] <Eickmeyer> Down to 50. Dunno why some developers insist on using git submodules that contain binaries.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ardour 6.0 landed in Debian. I just ran the syncpackage script, should be in Ubuntu soon. \o/
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> We *might* have a migration blocker, but I'm going to try to get the release team to push it on through. It won't build for ppc64el.
[20:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: notes that Ardour 7 will drop PPC/winxp as well
[20:12] <OvenWerks> ie will go full c++11
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok, I'll let the release team know.
[20:13] <OvenWerks> Ardour up to this point has been c++99 + boost. I do not know if c++11 will keep boost or not
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> teward: Another one for your long list: lp:artyfx
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> Lintian-clean, copyright checks out.
[23:05]  * Eickmeyer just cleaned out all of the old Ardour bug reports. \o/


[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> perhaps someone here can help solve the issue.. upgrades don't necassarily mean it will get fixed
[20:55] <of2vil> pragmaticenigma: but ill just wait :)
[20:55] <relik> i have standard ubuntu
[20:55] <relik> so gnome
[20:56] <pragmaticenigma> of2vil: I use Thunderbird 7 with lightning, perhaps I can help you
[20:56] <hc96> llutz: hm... but in my opinion if there were a package that wants to change /etc/hosts I'll be asked what I want to do, since I have changed it manually. If I had left it at original state, I would not be asked.
[20:56] <llutz> hc96: less /var/lib/dpkg/info/netbase.postinst
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> silare: The feature you are looking at was something added for 11.10... it is not available in previous versions
[20:57] <magikfingerz> relik OK, so go to gnome control center and look for the keyboard option and check if there is the right keyboard chosen...
[20:58] <relik> magikfingerz: i did
[20:58] <magikfingerz> relik: In this case, US keyboard (Generic US Keyboard is OK)
[20:58] <relik> US keyboard is selected
[20:58] <hc96> llutz: same goes with /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:59] <johnny> hi there
[20:59] <of2vil> pragmaticenigma: it just fails to create an event on that server and the log on the server doesnt say anything specific about the error - and it works fine with the newer version of thunderbird
[21:00] <magikfingerz> relik: OK, have you tried to check if this problem is present in console mode too?
[21:00] <Quantum_Ion> silare, Compiz plugins take up too much power
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> johnny / Guest1801 ... please pick a more unique name
[21:00] <relik> yes the same problem occures in console mode
[21:00] <Guest1801> yeh ! i will come with real one.. :))
[21:01] <silare> pragmaticenigma / Quantum_Ion : Hmm... So it's not so easy as just moving a few files back and forth? :/ Is there a way to make it so moving a window to the side gets that outline effect (not like 11.10's, but I lost my 11.04 one too).
[21:01] <llutz> hc96: that only works with packages coming with a <package>.conffiles   file. i'd suggest to use etckeeper/changetrack
[21:01] <Guest1801> ! register
[21:01] <pragmaticenigma> of2vil: Are you by chance trying to use your own DAV server?
[21:01] <of2vil> pragmaticenigma: i am
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> silare: you cannot just transfer files back and forth to get a feature... each program is compibled agasint the system kernel, and 11.04 and 11.10 do not use the same kernel
[21:03] <Guest1801> ! register
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> of2vil: does your server acknowledge that a connection was made when you try to update the calendar?
[21:03] <silare> pragmaticenigma: Ah... Figures. Though I think 11.04 had a feature where if I move my window to the top of the screen it'd show the orange outline of a maximized window; I don't have that anymore. How do I re-enable it?
[21:03] <Guest1801> !register
[21:03] <M4rc3l> To register your nick type in /msg nickserv register PASSWORD EMAIL  into the text box replacing PASSWORD and EMAIL with your own email and password.
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> silare: it is in the compiz settings... I don't use Ubuntu Unity desktop (I use Xubuntu) so I don't know where that feature is located
[21:04] <Exxon> pragmaticenigma, now i am real :))
[21:04] <of2vil> pragmaticenigma: yes, reading the calender works just fine, but i am not able to create any events
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> Exxon and soon to sink :-)
[21:04] <hc96> llutz: well, my problem is the following: I want to install to a new version of ubuntu, but I do not want to throw away my configuration I've done, so I have to save it before formatting. So I need to know what I modified :) As I read, etckeeper only shows what was changed since it's installed
[21:05] <Exxon> pragmaticenigma, simply forgot was on other distro now back..
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> what version of lightning are you using?
[21:06] <magikfingerz> relik: have you tried this:? http://nc10ubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/what-i-did/
[21:07] <llutz> hc96: correct, so it won't help you now. best to have a log-file where you keep all your changes written down.
[21:07] <hc96> sure, next time :)
[21:07] <llutz> hc96: i guess you have to diff new config/old config now
[21:08] <horseatingweeds> I'm trying to run perl as cgi using this guide: http://www.blog.highub.com/perl/install-configure-apache-localhost-perl-on-linux-ubuntu/  But when I try accessing a .pl file, I get a 403 Forbidden. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? I chmod 755 the .pl file.
[21:08] <hc96> llutz: well, I could install the new system in Virtual Box and then do a diff
[21:08] <clooluss> Please help!  Trying to access data on a laptop that will no longer boot into Ubuntu. I have booted from a live CD, and I can see the folders I need, but when I try to copy them it tells me that I don't have permission. Have tried it from command line with sudo but it makes no difference.
[21:09] <darkstar999> clooluss: have you tried chmodding the files?
[21:09] <Quantum_Ion> clooluss, Why wont it boot into Linux
[21:10] <clooluss> Won't boot because it comes up with some rubbish about "please correct gdm configuration." I've lost the sudo password for this machine
[21:11] <guntbert> clooluss: the sudo passord is your own password
[21:11] <pragmaticenigma> clooluss: what was the last thing you did to your machine?
[21:11] <guntbert> *password
[21:11] <silare> Does anyone know where in the Compiz settings the configuration to change the outline colour for the Grid plugin is?
[21:12] <clooluss> My wife's machine. She was using as usual, next day, wouldn't boot. It needs a new OS anyway, I just want the data off it to reinstall but it won't let me have it!
[21:12] <Quantum_Ion> clooluss, You can repair it with the Linux DVD live disk
[21:12] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[21:12] <clooluss> Quantum_Ion: Go on...
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> clooluss: boot al ive cd and you will have access to the data on the drive and can transfer it to a new location
[21:13] <clooluss> pramatice; Trying that, it won't let me have the data because of file permissions
[21:13] <wolframn> Happy Thanksgiving #Ubuntu!
[21:13] <pragmaticenigma> clooluss: are you able to view the files at all?
[21:14] <zykotick9> clooluss, is this some sort of encrypted filesystem or home directory?
[21:14] <Exxon> zykotick9, even if its encrypted with live dcd/cd we can retive the files.
[21:15] <zykotick9> Exxon, that's good - i just want to know if "I" want to get involved or not.
[21:16] <clooluss> not encrypted. I just tried sudo chmod of a single file, it allowed me to copy it over to an external HD. Will try that with the other files. Is there a way to mass-chmod everything in a folder and all subfolders? Also, as a live CD user, am I u, g or o?
[21:17] <guntbert> clooluss: when you chmod them all they will stay that way - might be a lot of work later
[21:17] <pragmaticenigma> clooluss: use this command:   find ./ -type f -execdir chmod a+rw {} \;
[21:17] <pragmaticenigma> make sure you execute that from the home directory you are trying to recover
[21:18] <guntbert> pragmaticenigma: why not just chmod -R ... ?
[21:18] <clooluss> guntbert: Not a problem - because I have the same stupid problem with my external drive (can't write to the EXT partition because of file permissions) I will copy everything to a FAT partition, which will strip all the unixy file permissions off it.
[21:18] <pragmaticenigma> clooluss: plug a sudo in front too
[21:18] <pragmaticenigma> guntbert: because that will also affect directories
[21:18] <guntbert> clooluss: I see ..
[21:19] <Exxon> clooluss, do you have the prblem with the grub did you dual install..just asking
[21:19] <guntbert> pragmaticenigma: good idea, didn't see it :)
[21:19] <clooluss> I am certain the file permission system is broken in later versions of Ubuntu.... I find it impossible to move / share files between users despite doing everything by the book
[21:19] <clooluss> not a dual boot. This machine has been running Ubuntu 7.10 since... well since 7.10
[21:20] <pragmaticenigma> guntbert: I made that mistake before and then wondered why I couldn't access my directories... directories require execute permission for some reason
[21:20] <guntbert> pragmaticenigma: yes, x on directories means "can enter"
[21:21] <clooluss> so...  is      find ./ -type f -execdir chmod a+rw {} \;     still the recommended command?
[21:21] <pragmaticenigma> I use the chmod command I posted a moment ago to make sure all my video files are in readonly mode... and they are all stored in subdirs... makes it reall fast and easy
[21:21] <llutz> pragmaticenigma: chmod -R a=rwX ./
[21:21] <pragmaticenigma> yes clooluss
[21:22] <pragmaticenigma> llutz: how does that work?
[21:23] <llutz> pragmaticenigma: man chmod , X (uppercase) works only on directories (or files already have execute-bit set)
[21:24] <pragmaticenigma> llutz: neat... thanks for the tip
[21:26] <clooluss> find; missing argument to '-execdir'
[21:27] <nils_> seems like the update-grub script for grub1 always sets "quiet splash" in the kernel commandline. Any way to override that?
[21:28] <pragmaticenigma> clooluss: try the command llutz just posted:  sudo chmod -R a=rwX ./
[21:28] <pragmaticenigma> nils_: yes there is a way to override this ... give me amoment to find the config file
[21:28] <guntbert> nils look at the top of /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT...
[21:29] <Exxon> clooluss, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[21:29] <nils_> guntbert:  don't have that file, seems that's only there for grub2
[21:29] <horseatingweeds> I'm trying to run perl as cgi using this guide: http://www.blog.highub.com/perl/install-configure-apache-localhost-perl-on-linux-ubuntu/  But when I try accessing a .pl file, I get a 403 Forbidden. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? I chmod 755 the .pl file.
[21:30] <guntbert> nils_: thats true, I misread your statement
[21:30] <pragmaticenigma> guntbert: is just way too fast at this
[21:31] <pragmaticenigma> nils_: I think thre is a settings file /boot/grub  but i could be wrong
[21:31] <genii-around> nils_: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:33] <pragmaticenigma> nils_: here is a site with exactly what you are looking for : http://www.foogazi.com/2007/10/27/remove-the-ubuntu-splash-screen/
[21:34] <maisjenaimarrede> plop
[21:34] <selim> plop
[21:34] <pragmaticenigma> horseatingweeds: the file needs to be under the same ownership as the servers user
[21:35] <nils_> yeah but I suspect that update-grub will add those lines again when I install a new kernel. I'll best go fiddle with the script.
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> horseatingweeds: I believe the user needed is www-data
[21:36] <pragmaticenigma> nils_: When you get a new update... usually you will be prompted that there are changes to the current config and update manager will ask if you want to overwrite the changes
[21:36] <pragmaticenigma> at least it wuld for me, I had to always run mine with the i915.modeset=1 option
[21:36] <nils_> yeah this box doesn't work with grub2 else I'd be happy with grub2 and /etc/default/grub
[21:37] <raimedia_score> addon
[21:37] <raimedia_score> list
[21:38] <Exxon> raimedia_score, what addons are you looking for
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> !flood | raimedia_score
[21:39] <Exxon> pragmaticenigma, give him the time to explain..
[21:39] <MissingNH2> Hey.
[21:39] <famgod> can anyone tell me which kernel has the new power ACPI (that drastically improves batter power) ???
[21:39] <MissingNH2> Anyone know how to change the hotspot for the Unity sidebar?
[21:40] <pragmaticenigma> famgod: What version of Ubuntu are you currently running?
[21:40] <zacarias> my mouse cursor goes off the visible desktop to the right side (but not to the left). Some of my sticky notes too. How do I correct that?
[21:40] <yagoo> famgod, powermanagement still premature on linux.. if you want to have a look check out the latest about suspend2/tuxnice project
[21:41] <Spy> hello
[21:41] <pragmaticenigma> zacarias: Your possibly using an unspported resolution for your display, try a lower one and see if it improves the problem
[21:41] <yagoo> famgod, at least according to me linux powermanagement -- if it works for you great.. if not then it's either posible or very experimental
[21:42] <wunnle> hey guys.
[21:42] <Spy> hey wunnle
[21:43] <wunnle> anyone using an alternative for plowshare? it is buggy and doesn't have features for safelinking and proxy tunnel.
[21:43] <zacarias> pragmaticenigma: but it works with everything else. If I try to move a panel applet to the right, for instance, it won't move
[21:44] <pragmaticenigma> It's possible the notes application has a bug and doesn't recognize the screen edge as a boundry
[21:44] <inashdeen_> hi everyone, just an enquiry. what is an author's signing key? how do i get them?
[21:44] <pangur> On my LibreOffice, I have an icon for Print File directly(generic printer) and I can also choose File->Print.  I am using Ubuntu 11.10.  Why does the icon sometimes work whereas the File->Print can sit there doing nothing?
[21:45] <pragmaticenigma> inashdeen_: It's a certificate you apply to your programs to digitally sign them to prove that you were the author and it is your own work
[21:45] <inashdeen_> pramaticeningma : how do i do it?
[21:46] <Danny33496> Hey Does anyone know why my HTC evo 4G all of a sudden turns off and dosnt turn on? it was plugged into the computer charging...
[21:46] <Danny33496> And it just turned off
[21:46] <pragmaticenigma> inashdeen_: depends on what you need it for... it's really only necassary if your going to run your applications on an environment that requires application signing like Android... it's not needed for PC programs
[21:47] <Danny33496> can anyone answer my question?
[21:47] <pragmaticenigma> Danny33496: this is a forum for Ubuntu... not mobile devices... I reocmmend you contact your wireless service provider support line
[21:47] <inashdeen_> pramaticenigma: im a recompiling a vala file
[21:47] <yagoo> Danny33496, just did. oomachookaloobahooba
[21:47] <Exxon> Danny33496, its a mobile phone..??
[21:47] <pragmaticenigma> inashdeen_: I am not familiar with vala, please explain
[21:47] <inashdeen_> Danny33496: how me help you?
[21:47] <yagoo> Exxon, it's a plane!!
[21:47] <Danny33496> Yes its a HTC EVO 4G Flashed to metro
[21:48] <MissingNH2> And you're on the ubuntu channel...
[21:48] <Danny33496> Im just wondering if anyone has any idea
[21:48] <Danny33496> who should i call?
[21:48] <inashdeen_> Danny33496: is it plugged on a ubuntu? i mean if it is an HTC question, we cant help you. seriously
[21:48] <wunnle> Keep wondering.
[21:48] <MissingNH2> Try removing the battery and reinserting
[21:48] <Danny33496> I have done that
[21:48] <wunnle> Danny33496, ghost busters?
[21:48] <pragmaticenigma> Danny33496: I wouldn't recommend charging our phone with your computer... try plugging in using the wall adapter... if it still doens't turn on then you need to contact Sprint for warrenty service
[21:48] <Danny33496> i took out the battery and put it back in
[21:49] <MissingNH2> Did you hold the power button after you put the battery back in? Try holding it down for a few seconds
[21:49] <yagoo> ,/warranty/warrenty
[21:49] <Danny33496> and also it turns on but as soon as i let go the power button it turns off
[21:49] <MissingNH2> Oh
[21:49] <MissingNH2> Plug it into a wall socket thing
[21:49] <MissingNH2> for about 20 mins.
[21:49] <Danny33496> i feel like the battery is done
[21:49] <MissingNH2> And then try again.
[21:49] <pragmaticenigma> Danny33496: Charge the phone using the wall adapter, not your computer
[21:50] <Danny33496> i know thats what im doing
[21:50] <Danny33496> im only using wall adapter now
[21:50] <MissingNH2> Also, take the battery out, plug it in and hold the power button
[21:50] <pragmaticenigma> Danny33496: it will take awhile for the battery to charge.. leave it alone for a while
[21:50] <Besogon> Does someone compile Apache+php by himself? If I update the system Shall I recompile Apache and php again?
[21:50] <MissingNH2> if its a battery problem, then it will work perfectly
[21:50] <Danny33496> i got so pissed -__-
[21:50] <inashdeen_> pragmaticenigma: elementary OS got a program named exe-wrapper. i want to install it on ubuntu. it is a ppa only by the way. the problem is, it is written inside there Elementary. i wanna change it to ubuntu. so i edit the source. and now i want to compile it again. it is easy, just using debuild. but they require those "keys".
[21:50] <pragmaticenigma> Danny33496: if it still doen't work then you need to contact your wireless carrier for further support
[21:50] <Shirakawasuna> hi folks! Running xubuntu 11.10, when I select 'shut down' it puts me back out at the lightdm login and I can't find a shutdown option in the lightdm interface, so I end up switching VTs and manually running 'poweroff'. Is this a general ubuntu issue / xubuntu issue and does anyone know a fix?
[21:50] <Danny33496> but i flashed the phone to metro
[21:50] <pangur> Why are you asking in ubuntu rather than in a channel for mobile phones, Danny33496?  Would you not get more focussed help elsewhere?
[21:50] <Danny33496> will they still help me?
[21:50] <MissingNH2> again, if its a battery issue, then taking the battery out and turning it on while its plugged in will make it work.
[21:51] <MissingNH2> i have no idea what 'flashed the phone to metro' means.
[21:51] <Danny33496> it dosnt turn on without the battery either
[21:51] <Shirakawasuna> Danny33496: try ##hardware
[21:51] <MissingNH2> then its not a battery issue.
[21:51] <pangur> It means that he has had it chipped
[21:51] <Shirakawasuna> Danny33496: they're usually pretty helpful
[21:51] <pragmaticenigma> Danny33496: No, you have voided the warrenty and pssibly briked your phone in the processs
[21:51] <Danny33496> Like the evo is for sprint i made it go to metro service
[21:51] <yagoo> lol
[21:51] <yagoo> poor Danny boy..
[21:51] <MissingNH2> doesn't that void your warranty?
[21:52] <yagoo> Danny33496, you can try to get away with it.. just never mention you did it
[21:52] <topolo> Hello here, i'm a new unity GUI user and i need a tips
[21:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | topolo
[21:52] <Danny33496> Ok ill call them but i think im gonna let it sit for a while
[21:52] <Danny33496> because it turns on but it turns off right away ....
[21:52] <MissingNH2> Oh yea, speaking of unity, I had a question too which wasn't answered
[21:52] <MissingNH2> Anyone know how to control the unity sidebar hotspot? So it'll come out only when I move my mouse to the bottom left vs the whole left side?
[21:52] <Danny33496> I have no clue
[21:53] <topolo> I've start an applicaiton and i can't find how to pout the mouse focus out of it, "i'm blocked in it" Is there any shortcut ?
[21:53] <MissingNH2> topolo: alt + tab?
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> MissingNH2  try CCSM
[21:53] <gislikarl> has anyone tried Linux Mint Debian? if so how is it compared to the Ubuntu based mint?
[21:53] <topolo> Alt+TAB no
[21:53] <wunnle> MishkaEchoes, yes, and also when you press super-key.
[21:53] <MissingNH2> MonkeyDust: Is that part of the Compiz thing? Isn't Compiz buggy?
[21:53] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: You would need to add the feature to the Unity code base to get that feature
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> MissingNH2  yes it's compiz config etc
[21:54] <pragmaticenigma> !mint | gislikarl
[21:54] <topolo> do you mean super key + alt + atb > no
[21:54] <przemek_> hi there. does any of you uses apache mod_layout? because I cant get it to work on my server.
[21:54] <MissingNH2> pragmaticenigma: I was hoping it was already implemented. I'm not that familiar with Ubuntu code. :/
[21:54] <theborger> anyone recommend a decent browser? low mem use?
[21:54] <topolo> but long pressure of super key only show number in icons
[21:54] <MissingNH2> MonkeyDust: Is compiz stable enough for regular use?
[21:54] <theborger> also good to run over ssh tunneling?
[21:54] <kmthein> Question: I installed Postfix on Ubuntu 11.10, and I was surprised that there was no file even in /usr/bin/mail and /bin/mail. Should mail file exist out of the box installation of Ubuntu?
[21:54] <ic3b3rg> hey guys, i have a quick question. I'm attempting to change the order for my grub menu. It says to look for a menu.lst file on the internet. All I can find is a menu.lst.save... is this the same thing?
[21:55] <wunnle> MissingNH2, i use compiz, and it's stable.
[21:55] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: sadly it's what would be considered a power user feature and Ubuntu developers haven't had time to add those enhancements yet
[21:55] <gislikarl> @theborger I recomend Google Chromium or Chrome
[21:55] <nalle_> Got some problems with my dual-monitors. Anyone wanna be a pro and help me? :)
[21:55] <MissingNH2> I'll try out compiz then
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> MissingNH2  i don't like/use compiz, just know ccsm is to configure it
[21:55] <Besogon> People! Does compiz-config work with gnome3???
[21:55] <gislikarl> you can get chromium from the software center
[21:55] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: compiz has been around for a long time now... it's stable
[21:56] <MissingNH2> I'll try it out. I don't like how the sidebar comes out whenever I move towards my browser's back button
[21:56] <pragmaticenigma> ic3b3rg: what version of grub are you using and what version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:56] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: You should be able to re-position the bar to the bottom of the screen I would think
[21:56] <Exxon> theborger, the inbult browser is decent..what you expect for other
[21:56] <ic3b3rg> msot recent version of ubuntu 11.10? i think
[21:57] <ic3b3rg> and I have no clue what version of grub
[21:57] <MissingNH2> pragmaticenigma: Nope, there was a bug report filed, and the devs said it didn't go with the idea of Unity or somesuch
[21:57] <wunnle> MissingNH2, you'll get used to move your cursor to right side of back button :P
[21:57] <MissingNH2> even though many people wanted it. a hundred or so.
[21:57] <yagoo> ic3b3rg, that's grub2
[21:57] <ic3b3rg> ok. is editing that different?
[21:57] <yagoo> !grub2
[21:57] <pragmaticenigma> ic3b3rg: there is no menu.lst  in ubuntu 11.10...
[21:57] <MissingNH2> wunnle: Haha. That'll require very precise mouse movements. I'll just try compiz.
[21:57] <alex_mayorga> is there a way to fully reset the theme, login, scroll bars, etc
[21:58] <ic3b3rg> how do i change the default if there's no menu.lst?
[21:58] <yagoo> ic3b3rg, grub2 modifying different.. don't edit grub.cfg directly
[21:58] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: LAME!
[21:58] <pragmaticenigma> ic3b3rg: Just a sec
[21:58] <nalle_> Anyone got a clue why i can't use dual monitors?
[21:58] <wunnle> MissingNH2, it takes 2 days exactly  (:
[21:58] <ic3b3rg> ok, thaanks
[21:58] <MissingNH2> pragmaticenigma: I'll see if I can get a link to it. Twas the longest bug report I've ever seen.
[21:58] <pragmaticenigma> ic3b3rg: I have the same setup on my machine
[21:58] <nalle_> Anyone got a clue why i can't use dual monitors?
[21:58] <alex_mayorga> I upgraded from Natty, but the theme doesn't look like a new fresh install
[21:58] <MissingNH2> wunnle: You're using compiz though.
[21:58] <ic3b3rg> how did you get it to work?
[21:59] <yagoo> ic3b3rg, /etc/default/grub
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> !theme
[21:59] <pragmaticenigma> ic3b3rg: the folder /etc/grub.d has the scripts that help generate the menu... what are you trying to change and I will help you best I can
[21:59] <wunnle> MissingNH2, i use both. now i'm on unity. it looks fantastic at first, but it's usefull.
[21:59] <yagoo> ic3b3rg, then update-grub2, to update grub.cfg
[21:59] <nalle_> required virtual size does not fit available size: requested=(3840, 1080), minimum=(320, 200), maximum=(1920, 1920)
[21:59] <MissingNH2> Ideally I'd use Gnome, but it messes up my touchpad
[21:59] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: I switched away from Ubuntu to Xubuntu awhile ago when Gnome was getting too bloated and didn't even want to think about unity
[22:00] <wunnle> MissingNH2, left click locking problem?
[22:00] <ic3b3rg> awesome. ok thank you guys so much!
[22:00] <kmthein> Question: Should I expect to see /usr/bin/mail or /bin/mail with out of the box installation of latest Ubuntu?
[22:00] <MissingNH2> wunnle: No, the touchpad works till login, and stops working right after I log in.
[22:00] <MissingNH2> pragmaticenigma: I don't know what xubuntu is, I'll look it up
[22:00] <Exxon> MissingNH2, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[22:00]  * pangur is away: Gone away for now
[22:01] <wunnle> MissingNH2, woa, i like my left click locking problem then.
[22:01] <pragmaticenigma> MissingNH2: Xubuntu is all the same as ubuntu but uses the Xfce window manager...
[22:01] <wunnle> Xfce = ugly
[22:01] <MissingNH2> Exxon: I'll try that out, but it happens even when the touchpad is not suspended. Thanks for the link though. I'll see if that fixes it
[22:01] <topolo> UP - ubuntu - unity - I've started an application and i can't find how to put out the mouse focus, "i'm blocked in it" Is there any shortcut ? (super key > no, alt tab > no)
[22:01] <MissingNH2> Exxon: touchpad is not disabled*
[22:01] <lcb> hi. how to install iceweasel and not firefox, when apt-get install iceweasel on a minimal installation setup?
[22:02] <Exxon> MissingNH2, i would rather suggest google first instead ..:))
[22:02] <pragmaticenigma> wunnle: Xfce = functional for me
[22:02] <omid> hi , i use kubuntu 11.04 how can i format a USB memory stick ?
[22:02] <MissingNH2> Exxon: I did try Google. There was a bug report filed somewhere with many people chiming in with their solutions. I just went back to Unity. :)
[22:02] <wunnle> pragmaticenigma, Xfce = [functional, ugly] than.
[22:02] <pragmaticenigma> lcb: Iceweasel is built on the same libraies as firefox... that's why it installs both
[22:02] <lcb> omid: gparted, for instance
[22:03] <omid> lcb:  kubuntu has KDE . and KDE has not Gparted .
[22:03] <lcb> pragmaticenigma: hmm but it installs firefox only
[22:03] <yagoo> looking for a treepane file manager, one knows of one?
[22:03] <lcb> omid: any artition tool
[22:03] <pragmaticenigma> lcb: probably because iceweasel isn't developed anymore?
[22:03] <lcb> partition either
[22:03] <omid> nothing is included?
[22:03] <lcb> pragmaticenigma: probably
[22:04] <Exxon> MissingNH2, i really want you to understand it first and try it out..if any failure then..
[22:04] <MissingNH2> Exxon: I have a fair idea of why its happening. A gnome service stops the touchpad but doesn't restart it.
[22:05] <yagoo> (there's nautilus of course but i hate it.. looking for alternative)
[22:05] <Exxon> MissingNH2, can you link me to the Snyptic bug report as you claim
[22:05] <yagoo> (gnome if possible)
[22:05] <MissingNH2> Exxon: Sure
[22:06]  * pangur is back.
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> rejoice
[22:06] <famgod> whats the apt-get command to purge a package?
[22:06] <pragmaticenigma> yagoo: Thunar perhaps?
[22:07] <pragmaticenigma> famgod: apt-get remove packagename
[22:07] <Exxon> MonkeyDust, we are all rejoicing ..:))
[22:07] <theborger> how do you launch chrome from the command line?
[22:07] <theborger> google-chrome is not working
[22:07] <theborger> nor is chrome etc
[22:07] <genii-around> famgod: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[22:08] <pragmaticenigma> theborger: are you sure you have google chrome installed and not chromium?
[22:08] <theborger> i got it
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> theborger: what happends if you enter chromium-browser?
[22:09] <Exxon> theborger, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1385182
[22:10] <theborger> yea i got it working, thanks
[22:10] <zykotick9> pragmaticenigma, i think the executable is "chromium" and the package is chromium-browser (or used to be, to avoid conflict with the game, i think they've renamed the game now)
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> zykotick9: no idea... I just know from the command line if I tab complete mine wants to use chromium-borwser
[22:11] <pragmaticenigma> spelling errors not withstanding
[22:11] <zykotick9> pragmaticenigma, oh, well guess i was wrong then
[22:12] <MissingNH2> Exxon: I'm trying to find the bug report I was looking at a few weeks back, but theres quite a few Gnome-touchpad bug reports. This is one thats similar to mine, and relevant:
[22:12] <MissingNH2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/868400
[22:13] <moxie> hello
[22:13] <Exxon> MissingNH2, that bug is already solved.. so the report vanished try the link- xubuntu
[22:13] <moxie> does anyone know where the linux mint channel is
[22:13] <pragmaticenigma> !mint | moxie
[22:14] <moxie> thanks
[22:14] <MissingNH2> Solved? 17 hours ago someone posted:
[22:14] <MissingNH2> "Does anyone know if thee is any solution to be seen soon?"
[22:14] <MissingNH2> Its not marked as Solved either
[22:15] <fellowlinguist> whats the apt command to list dependencies for a package
[22:15] <T0mM> I have destroyed my task bar any way i can restore it?
[22:15] <T0mM> it is not showing the applications in the task bar
[22:15] <zykotick9> fellowlinguist, "apt-cache depends foo"
[22:15] <arcsky> sudo: unable to resolve host vbox-server
[22:15] <arcsky> i takes ages when i do sudo -i
[22:15] <arcsky> what doese that mean ?
[22:16] <zykotick9> arcsky, did you change your hostname since installing?
[22:16] <arcsky> zykotick9: sure in /etc/hostname
[22:16] <zykotick9> arcsky, did you also change /etc/hosts?
[22:16] <zykotick9> !hostname | arcsky
[22:17] <pragmaticenigma> fellowlinguist: I usually just use the install command wait fo the list to come up then tell it no
[22:17] <T0mM> http://imageshack.us/f/267/selection009f.png/
[22:17] <T0mM> please i need help badly
[22:17] <T0mM> :S
[22:18] <esmirlin> hi guys! i have a problem, when i use gnome shell, every gnome app (like nautilus or gedit) at launching show a glich in the menu, like it dissapeares for a moment and then reappeares, does anyone else noticed it?
[22:18] <arcsky> zykotick9: its an ubuntu server (virtual one)
[22:18] <zykotick9> arcsky, that doesn't answer my question.  Did you read what !hostname said about the two files?
[22:19] <exploits> hi all
[22:19] <MissingNH2> I set Compiz to show the sidebar when I press control + space, and this doesn't work. Do I have to restart or something to get this to work?
[22:19] <exploits> how to install blackbuntu in hdd?
[22:19] <mdq3_> :
[22:20] <zykotick9> exploits, blackbuntu is not a supported version here
[22:20] <mdq3> quit
[22:20] <T0mM> nvm fixed it
[22:20] <exploits> tnx
[22:21] <exploits> tnx zykotick9
[22:21] <alex_mayorga> FWIW, this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome helped me to get back to plain oneiric, or so I believe
[22:21] <pragmaticenigma> !blackbuntu | exploits
[22:21] <exploits> Is there a way to install
[22:21] <borisb> I've just installed 11.10 and it keeps asking me for *root* password (not my *user* password) for everything system related, even connecting to wireless. Also upgrade manager did not work, I had to upgrade from console (and via wired conn.)
[22:21] <T0mM> i needed to add window list
[22:22] <pragmaticenigma> exploits: We don't support that version here... you will have to go to their site for assitence
[22:22] <exploits> Easy to install in vmware
[22:23] <pragmaticenigma> exploits: IT IS NOT SUPPORTED HERE, PLEASE STOP ASKING
[22:23] <arcsky> zykotick9: it takes ages to ssh to the box
[22:23] <zykotick9> arcsky, i don't have an answer for that sorry.  Good luck.
[22:23] <exploits> tnx pragmaticenigma
[22:24] <MissingNH2> exploits: Its installed the same way as regular ubuntu. Try their forums.
[22:24] <exploits> ok
[22:25] <Exxon> T0mM, please elobrate what window manager are you using
[22:25] <CharminTheMoose> Is my hdd about to die soon? http://pastebin.ca/2095483 The load/unload cycles increases by 2 everytime I exit from suspend mode, which seems strange
[22:26] <T0mM> Exxon, Window lis
[22:26] <T0mM> list*
[22:26] <joansirley> hello everyone
[22:26] <pragmaticenigma> Exxon: T0mM is using gnome 2.x... he needs the taskbar app that lists the open programs
[22:26] <scorinitron> hey
[22:26] <Exxon> T0mM, http://www.ehow.com/how_8228594_reinstall-taskbar-ubuntu-gnome.html
[22:26] <MissingNH2> Yea, I cant get the changes in Compiz (with the Unity plugin) to stick
[22:27] <joansirley> I would like someone to help me in a important question for me
[22:27] <scorinitron> whoami
[22:27] <MissingNH2> !question
[22:27] <DarkLinux7> Hello
[22:27] <ben_> What is the equivalent directory on Ubuntu to Apache2.2/cgi-bin on Windows?
[22:27] <shipht> Hello. Newb question here. In 11.11 I don't seem to have a .Xdefaults file in my home directory. I'm trying to add lines for 256 color support in my terminal. Has the config file changed or something?
[22:27] <MissingNH2> I've always wanted to use that
[22:27] <joansirley> how to clone a harddisk
[22:27] <scorinitron> Their
[22:27] <mdq3_> join #8bc
[22:27] <scorinitron> their's an 11.11?
[22:27] <joansirley> dd is extremely slow
[22:27] <jrib> shipht: there is no such thing as 11.11.  If you want to use ~/.Xdefaults, just create it.
[22:27] <joansirley> clonezilla didn't work
[22:28] <joansirley> what's an alternative for me?
[22:28] <pragmaticenigma> ben_: That depends on your configuration file... typically /var/www/cgi-bin but I'm not certain on that
[22:28] <pragmaticenigma> shipht: you might just need to add the fil yourself...
[22:28] <joansirley> what's an alternative for exemple from a Live Ubuntu?
[22:29] <joansirley> I use dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024
[22:29] <joansirley> extremely slow
[22:29] <zykotick9> joansirley, are you imagining to an external USB?
[22:30] <joansirley> no internal
[22:30] <pragmaticenigma> joansirley: Clone any harddrive is going to take as much time as your system hardware supports... if you are running on an older machine it's going to take longer than a newer machine... also, if you have a lot of data, it's goin to take longer to transfer 1Tb of data versus 10GB of data
[22:30] <Exxon> joansirley, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19141/clone-a-hard-drive-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd/
[22:30] <shipht> jrib: 11.10 sorry. Can I create the file with just the lines I need? Or will it need to be a proper config file with everything else?
[22:30] <pragmaticenigma> joansirley: there isn't a magic program that is goin to speed things up... it's strictly your hardware capabilities
[22:31] <jrib> shipht: just create the file with the settings you need.  Depending on whether or not your current setup reads the file when you login, you may need to add « xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults » to your startup scripts
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> joansirley: the fastest method is going to be dd, anyother program is going to add it's own overhead in the process and make it take longer
[22:31] <shipht> jrib: Ok, thanks for the help.
[22:32] <DarkLinux7> Anyone need help, pm me
[22:32] <DarkLinux7> Anyone need help, pm me
[22:32] <jrib> DarkLinux7: please don't do that
[22:32] <DarkLinux7> jrib: why?
[22:32] <pragmaticenigma> DarkLinux7: all questions should be posted and answered to in the main chat so others can benefit
[22:32] <joansirley> ok
[22:33] <DarkLinux7> Ok
[22:33] <joansirley> that link helped a lot
[22:33] <pragmaticenigma> !question | DarkLinux7
[22:33] <zykotick9> pragmaticenigma, fyi !ask is a lot faster to type then !question
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> !pm
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> (even faster ;-))
[22:34] <CharminTheMoose> Where in either /proc or /sys can I find the system time? Well, I assume it be viewed there.
[22:34] <zykotick9> pragmaticenigma, ya, but it's a different factoid -- !ask and !question are the same thing
[22:35] <basix> anybody successfully using virtualbox 4.1.6 with linux kernel version 3.1.2?
[22:35] <pragmaticenigma> zykotick9: like programming and everything else with computers... there is always more than one way to do the same thing
[22:35] <MissingNH2> Okay. So rebooting fixes issues with Compiz.
[22:35] <Exxon> pragmaticenigma, every one is typing that fast again give them some time ..:))
[22:35] <MissingNH2> :)
[22:35] <darkstar999-away> CharminTheMoose: you can't just use the 'date' command?
[22:36] <pragmaticenigma> basix: are you running the VB from the repos or from oracle's repos?
[22:36] <basix> pragmaticenigma, oracle's
[22:36] <basix> pragmaticenigma, ubuntu's repos are behind imho
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> basix: I'm not sure which version I have on mine but I'm guessing it's the ubuntu repos... and it works with the latest avaialble kernel
[22:37] <MonkeyDust> vbox ose is 4.1.2
[22:37] <bindi> hi, not really #ubuntu question but I need  this quickly - how can I read lines starting from N to M?
[22:37] <zykotick9> basix, ya, who needs software that works - when there is a newer version out there </sarcasm>
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> basix: ubuntus repos are going to be tested and proven to work... oracles may or may not work and we can't support them easily here
[22:37] <basix> pragmaticenigma, what version of the kernel & VB do you have? I need the PUEL version
[22:38] <CharminTheMoose> darktstar999, well, I could, but I'm testing some stuff that requires the hdd to be asleep and not woken up by a read or write. Date seems to wake it up anyway. :/
[22:38] <zykotick9> basix, starting with vbox4 there is no longer a OSE and PUEL version - they are the same
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> I'm running VB 4.1.4_UBUNTU
[22:38] <CharminTheMoose> On the other hand, I need the date/time printed to the console.
[22:38] <basix> pragmaticenigma, i understand. But then again i'm using a mainline kernel with my ubuntu install.
[22:39] <demon_lewiatan>  poland?
[22:39] <basix> zykotick9, hmm..what about the usb and other things that used to come with the puel?
[22:39] <zykotick9> basix, all included with vbox4+
[22:39] <basix> zykotick9, apt-cache search virtualbox shows virtualbox-ose
[22:39] <pragmaticenigma> basix: there usually isn't anything better in a dot release... it's usually a small bug fix that may or may not affect you... however the version in ubuntu's repos are going to be guaranteed to work
[22:39] <zykotick9> basix, what ubuntu are you using?
[22:39] <bindi> how can I read lines starting from the line N to the line M?
[22:40] <basix> zykotick9, 11.04
[22:40] <pragmaticenigma> basix: I would recommend updating to 11.10
[22:40] <Exxon> CharminTheMoose, http://www.codeunit.co.za/2010/06/14/ubuntu-how-to-view-the-current-date-and-time-via-command-line/
[22:40] <zykotick9> basix, perhaps that was before vbox4 entered repo?  perhaps backports has it?
[22:40] <basix> pragmaticenigma, i dont want to upgrade to 11.10 - i use gnome.
[22:41] <jrib> bindi: you can use sed for example
[22:41] <bindi> jrib: i'm actually looking for working solutions and not more manual bashing :(
[22:41] <jrib> bindi: sed -n 'N,Mp' file
[22:41] <basix> zykotick9, perhaps...i'll check the backports..
[22:42] <bindi> jrib: thanks
[22:42] <basix> zykotick9, but i am running a mainline kernel that  makes it complicated...even the official version may not work with the latest mainline kernel.
[22:43] <zykotick9> basix, perhaps a trip to #vbox would shed some light?  good luck.
[22:43] <basix> zykotick9, yeah i am there
[22:44] <computa_mike> I'm getting an error when trying to run virtual box machines - I'm running ubuntu 11.10.  The error is : Kernel driver not installed - it says to install virtualbox-dkms and execute modprobe vboxdrv as root - any ideas.
[22:44] <computa_mike> needle
[22:45] <computa_mike> needless to say - I have tried the advice offered by virtual box
[22:46] <irule> hi, I have a headless 11.10 that halts on grub waiting for ENTER, how may I make sure it will never stay like that?
[22:46] <inashdeen_> jsz'_: i do remember someone gave me a workaround, they put the code into a brackets or something.'
[22:48] <Exxon> irule, simply update it will literally solve the problem, if its fresh install
[22:48] <scyclops> #3taps
[22:51] <irule> Exxon I had a 11.04 CD, installed that and right after install I proceeded with the upgrade
[22:54] <zykotick9> irule, you might want to check /etc/default/grub -- be sure timeout isn't set to 0 (wait forever)
[22:54] <daviddoria> A library I am building says I am missing mpi.h. In the software center, I see that mpi-default-dev is insalled - which other package would I need?
[22:55] <irule> zykotick9 it is 10, should it be 1?  ..still, if it is 10, why is it acting like 0?
[22:55] <zykotick9> irule, 10 would be fine.  Why it's behaving like 0 i have no idea.
[22:56] <irule> zykotick9 btw I just TESTED 0 and it started right away as I wanted, no waiting for imput :s whazap/fyi :s
[22:57] <irule> piece of ubuntu hahaha
[22:58] <irule> is there a way to choose ubuntu classic theme within .vnc/startx? I dont have a monitor for this pc he network access only
[22:59]  * Qoray Say : Good night guys... see u tomorrow
[23:00] <irule> Qoray see ya later
[23:00] <milamber> daviddoria: libopenmpi-dev maybe?
[23:00] <Exxon> m2
[23:00] <daviddoria> milamber, I have that installed too
[23:01] <milamber> daviddoria: what are you trying to build? is it maybe just not looking in the right spot? can you explicitly tell it where to look for it?
[23:01] <terninjas> is ubuntu 11.10 stable now?
[23:01] <rebecca> Pretty sure
[23:02] <rebecca> I am here to answer all your questions.
[23:02] <rebecca> But dont blame me if I dont know some of them
[23:02] <rebecca> I'm just a kid!
[23:02] <rebecca> XD\
[23:02] <rebecca> soo
[23:03] <rebecca> Heres something you should know
[23:03] <daviddoria> hm the library seems to have the right include path..
[23:03] <daviddoria> and I do have that file in /usr/lib/openmpi/include
[23:03] <daviddoria> i'll try to figure it out - i thought i might have just been missing a  package
[23:03] <rebecca> about:config dom.max_script _run_time 20
[23:03] <guest69> is it possible to install ubuntu on a usb key?  what about installing it on a usb key that's currently running it?
[23:05] <rebecca> Guest69: you do not need to reinstall ubuntu on a usb key if it is already there. It wasted memory. I am not sure if Ubuntu can be installed throughout different versions; but I think 10.10 and 11 is available.
[23:05] <milamber> daviddoria: did you manually build any of the libraries? maybe you just need to run: sudo ldconfig
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> guest69: To install Ubuntu to a USB you must use an OS installed to the system harddrive... you cannot install a new version onto the same USB drive that you are running from
[23:16] <darktstar999> rebecca: an irc server got disconnected and just now reconnected. it's called a netsplit
[23:16] <rebecca> Yes... and?
[23:16] <johnficca> is there a media center like program and if so is there a amazon instant video plugin?
[23:16] <somsip> computa_mike: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms; sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[23:16] <computa_mike> somsip: thanks - I'll give that a try
[23:16] <peteslaptop> Hello everyone
[23:16] <peteslaptop> Is this where I might find support/
[23:16] <cebrere> is there a website anyone would recommend to learn some terminal commands?
[23:17] <rebecca> all you need to do is install kernel drive and virtual box maybe even check out support. the message should clear up it might be missing a script part or harddrive essential that perhaps you deleted. or maybe ubuntu leaked and is now containing a half-virus infection.
[23:17] <peteslaptop> I'm a noob to Ubuntu
[23:17] <computa_mike> somsip: I get : /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: command not found
[23:18] <rebecca> Make sure your computer signal isn't being overrided by Ubuntu hacker.
[23:18] <peteslaptop> Anyone? Help with installing a printer?
[23:18] <aeon-ltd> peteslaptop: yes support is in here
[23:18] <peteslaptop> K
[23:18] <aeon-ltd> peteslaptop: descirbe your problem in detail to the channel
[23:18] <somsip> computa_mike: sorry - that was from memory which clearly isn'
[23:18] <rebecca> Oh just sync the printer link with the PC Linux link and make sure they are connected wireless or wired?
[23:18] <somsip> computa_mike: t right... I shall try to find it
[23:18] <computa_mike> somsip: well - I was impressed - that was darned fast....
[23:19] <somsip> computa_mike: I had to do the same thing 2 days ago :)
[23:19] <peteslaptop> Well. I'm a noob,  and have a Brother HL-2080DW network printer
[23:19] <peteslaptop> I can see the printer to add it
[23:19] <computa_mike> somsip: could that be for a previous version of ubuntu?
[23:19] <jrib> !enter | peteslaptop
[23:19] <peteslaptop> I downloaded a .deb file , actually two of the,
[23:20] <rebecca> Ok you should be able to find printer code if you look for it in range or if it is in the manual or sticker. It should be able to find it if the printer type is wireless. Wired? Just plug it into your computer and set up the wizard.
[23:20] <peteslaptop> so I have these two .deb files in my downloads folder and no idea how to 'run' or install the drivers
[23:21] <Rick30> hi
[23:21] <CharminTheMoose> The kernel is outputting times to dmesg like: [27166.230635] Is there any way to make it more human readable?
[23:21] <somsip> computa_mike: I was close: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1150414
[23:21] <aeon-ltd> peteslaptop: if it's deb usually double click then it starts the rest by itself
[23:21] <yagoo> ..?
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> CharminTheMoose: that is a time code, it doesn't mean anything
[23:22] <peteslaptop> Hmmm.. It appears to be a compressed file that needs to be extracted
[23:22] <computa_mike> somsip:  I did try the forums first - honest... well - to be accurate I tried google, but the latest results were from last year...
[23:22] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: to install the .deb files just run dpkg -i packagename.deb
[23:22] <somsip> computa_mike: I my experience they still apply.
[23:22] <milamber> peteslaptop: what do you mean by drivers?
[23:22] <somsip> computa_mike: but I have to go now so can't help more
[23:23] <computa_mike> somsip: no worries - thanks for your help...
[23:23] <peteslaptop> geoff, this command is in the terminal, correct?
[23:23] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: yes
[23:24] <milamber> peteslaptop: the only other thing i would suggest is check the repos first
[23:24] <peteslaptop> I'm really inexperienced at the terminal. I'm way new to this. I assume I have to :cd to the downloads directory, then use the command you just gave me?
[23:25] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: correct
[23:25] <zykotick9> peteslaptop, "cd ~/Downloads" then you need "sudo dpkg -i foo.deb" x2
[23:25] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: or can do from wherever u are, and just do sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[23:25] <rebecca> HAHAHAHAHA
[23:26] <rebecca>  you wont believe what just heppened
[23:26] <rebecca> my dad thought i was a hacker XD
[23:26] <peteslaptop> geoff, where am I entering that command?
[23:26] <happyface> does Wubi support software RAID?
[23:26] <L1nuxRules> Real hackers use Linux not crackers
[23:26] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: in terminal
[23:26] <aeon-ltd> rebecca: run, cops comin'
[23:27] <peteslaptop> ok.. let me give it a shot
[23:27] <L1nuxRules> hcking is learning cracking is being bad
[23:27] <jrib> peteslaptop: are you sure you need to install a deb for this printer...?
[23:27] <aeon-ltd> L1nuxRules: not always, penetration testing as a form of cracking is good
[23:28] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: you know, im too command line oriented. Apparently you can also just double click it and select install package, lol
[23:28] <L1nuxRules> aooen-ltd you are correct wouldnt be needed if there went crackers
[23:28] <L1nuxRules> though
[23:28] <zykotick9> happyface, Wubi is installing into a file inside windows, i doubt it has to even know you have RAID
[23:29] <Richiie> Hello im having some issues whit the guide provided here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853868
[23:29] <rebecca> gotta go bye!!!!!!!
[23:29] <happyface> zykotick9: I know the linux image will install fine, but I'm worried about grub
[23:29] <Richiie> i dont know if im doing anything wrong, but as far as i can tell from the log file it failes on some points.
[23:29] <L1nuxRules> grub is easy to fix
[23:29] <geoffmcc> happyface: wubi does not use grub
[23:30] <happyface> geoffmcc: ah, never used it before
[23:30] <L1nuxRules> you can always use a live cd at worst case
[23:30] <happyface> yea I can definitely get windows back, just wondering if it suports software raid
[23:30] <geoffmcc> happyface: yea, think of wubi as a way for you to try ubuntu without having to worry about data loss or any changes to your pc
[23:30] <L1nuxRules> wubi ooh sorry windows > /dev/null "&1
[23:30] <peteslaptop> got an error, no command 'run' found
[23:31] <bazhang> !who > L1nuxRules
[23:31] <L1nuxRules> "was suposed to be 2
[23:31] <StepNjump> Please.. I downloaded a executable file from the internet and I was wondering in which folders should I put it?
[23:31] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: did u see my last chat to you in channel. Aparently you can just double click and install it
[23:32] <geoffmcc> peteslaptop: but if your already in term its just "sudo dpkg -i package.deb" no quotes
[23:32] <bazhang> StepNjump, what file
[23:32] <L1nuxRules> bazhang sorry forgot that
[23:32] <StepNjump> HDSentinel bazhang.. It doesn't have an extension
[23:32] <StepNjump> It says X-executable in the properties bazhang
[23:32] <bazhang> StepNjump, got a link? what does it do
[23:33] <StepNjump> Here it is bazhang http://www.hdsentinel.com/thanks_for_downloading.php?file=http://www.hdsentinel.com/hdslin/hdsentinel.gz
[23:33] <XwarlokX82> anybody here ever set up an irc daemon before?
[23:33] <bekks> XwarlokX82: Yes.
[23:34] <XwarlokX82> bekks, how hard is it? I'm looking to install one on my server
[23:34] <pragmaticenigma> geoffmcc: wubi does use grub,,, but it modifies Microsofts boot loader to add an entry to it
[23:34] <Richiie> Im having some issues installing teamviewer as a service. on ubuntu 10.04
[23:34] <Richiie> the documentation im following is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853868
[23:34] <Richiie> but it seems to me that some points are failing from the .log file anyone wanna help me? :)
[23:34] <L1nuxRules> never but xwarlok82 alot of hosts block yhe ports needed for security reasons
[23:34] <L1nuxRules> the*
[23:34] <XwarlokX82> well, damn.
[23:35] <bekks> XwarlokX82: The installation / the setup isnt hard at all. The hardest part is to secure the daemon and the server itself in a way to make it pretty hard to be exploitable.
[23:35] <XwarlokX82> I'm trying to think of some fun stuff to do with my old server other than just file storage
[23:35] <XwarlokX82> bekks, i see
[23:35] <geoffmcc> pragmaticenigma: my bad, been a while since i used it, i thought it was just microsofts bootloader
[23:35] <vulpix> I have tried everything to fix my grub2 but nothing will work?
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> Richiie: Team Viewer is a MS program... you can use the client in linux, but you will not be able to run the service
[23:35] <bekks> XwarlokX82: Dont setup a public service like IRC unless you do know what you are doing pretty well.
[23:36] <L1nuxRules> xwarlok82 do it to your own box thats  the real way!
[23:36] <Richiie> pragmaticenigma: i know it's a windows application but look here..
[23:36] <Richiie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853868
[23:36] <pragmaticenigma> geoffmcc: No biggie... Wubi modifies windows bootloader to point to grub, then grub handles the rest :-) grub is the only ay to get the kernel image to load from a FAT/NTFS partition
[23:36] <XwarlokX82> true enough... i was just wondering about it is all. I think it'd  be neat to have an always on IRC connection though :)
[23:36] <L1nuxRules> never trust wind0se
[23:36] <Richiie> pragmaticenigma: the documentation that i linked, tells that there are ways of starting an virtual desktop, and afterwards launch the teamviewer binary file.
[23:36] <bekks> pragmaticenigma: You are WRONG. Team Viewer is availiable as a full version for linux too. http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
[23:37] <happyface> XwarlokX82: irssi?
[23:37] <L1nuxRules> they do everything they can to put Linux out at the min
[23:37] <XwarlokX82> happyface, that might work
[23:37] <Richiie> bekks: The client version is available that's true.. but it does not affect the fact that it cant be "normally" runed as a service in the background.
[23:37] <bazhang> !windoze | L1nuxRules
[23:37] <pragmaticenigma> bekks: This was a topic last night... the "linux" version is symply the windows version wrapped in a wine script
[23:37] <Richiie> that's the issue im having to try solve that as this guide here says http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853868
[23:38] <happyface> XwarlokX82: it does work, that's what I use :p
[23:38] <L1nuxRules> bazhang understood sensi :)
[23:38] <XwarlokX82> happyface, i've used it before as well... I just didn't know it had that kind of functionality
[23:39] <bekks> XwarlokX82: personally, having a server myself, I am running irssi in a screen session so I can a) stay online 24/7 and b) connect from everywhere just using an ssh client.
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> Richiie: when I see virtual desktop I think of them running VMWare, Xen, or Virutal Box...
[23:39] <Guest77238> does anyone have any suggestions besides the ubuntu help bootloader fixes?
[23:39] <happyface> XwarlokX82: run it in a screen, then ssh into the machine and re-attach the screen
[23:39] <XwarlokX82> bekks, that is pretty much what I'm looking for
[23:39] <Richiie> pragmaticenigma: yes i know.. but that's not the topic of my issue, just want to know how i can solve this on a good way :)
[23:40] <bekks> XwarlokX82: Then just open up an up a ssh session, start screen, start irssi within the screen session. Afterwards, reconnect another ssh session and start "screen -DR". Done.
[23:40] <Richiie> im not a big fan of virtual desktops based on software emulation / vnc4server but maybe someone here know's how to handle my issue.
[23:40] <L1nuxRules> This is the busiest Linux channel and Ubuntu is doing good stuff desktop wise +1 Ubuntu
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> I unfortunately cannot launch links ATM... so I can't see the website you linked to
[23:40] <bazhang> !ot | L1nuxRules
[23:40] <L1nuxRules> whats croping mmy txt ffs
[23:41] <L1nuxRules> sorry bazhang
[23:41] <happyface> bekks: or put that in .profile!
[23:41] <bazhang> L1nuxRules, please stop with the random commentary
[23:41] <L1nuxRules> no one is asking though?
[23:41] <bekks> happyface: Well, that would be the way for doing that with a dedicated irc user account on the server, yes.
[23:42] <bazhang> L1nuxRules, that does not make this the chat channel; #ubuntu-offtopic is for that
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> L1nuxRules: This is a support forum, people will ask when they are ready... idle commentary makes it hard to follow support help others are offering
[23:42] <bekks> happyface: But thats a good point, I have to separate my user accounts a bit more :P
[23:42] <L1nuxRules> ^^ I understand
[23:42] <Richiie> bekks: maybe you could help me to solve the issue im having ?
[23:42] <bekks> Richiie: Please summarize your issue again.
[23:43] <Richiie> bekks: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853868
[23:44] <Richiie> bekks: the summary is that i followed the documentation there, but i cant give it a go i dont really know if i typed somethign wrong based on the output on that link.
[23:44] <Richiie> but determine from the log files i think something is failing do you want me to paste them ?
[23:44] <Richiie> bekks: i did not set up another user like the guide said, i ran it on my standard user.
[23:44] <happyface> and I was right, wubi doesn't boot with software RAID :(
[23:45] <bekks> happyface: Well, ubuntu doesnt at all using a windows based software raid :)
[23:45] <happyface> bekks: it does in the live cd
[23:45] <bekks> happyface: I know that it doesnt - it cant, technically :)
[23:45] <L1nuxRules> richiie not read it all yet but the link you gave you wanted to start a service on boot? But you used the old skool and need to use init
[23:46] <bazhang> L1nuxRules, you mean upstart
[23:46] <bazhang> !upstart | L1nuxRules
[23:46] <happyface> bekks: well I can see my RAID parition with the live CD. Maybe the intel controller is really really good?
[23:46] <Richiie> L1nuxRules: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853868
[23:47] <theborger> ok so i am reading this.  http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Displaying_Ubuntu_Linux_Applications_Remotely_(X11_Forwarding) added the ForwardX11Trusted yes
[23:47] <L1nuxRules> I dont know the formalities I learn by playing Bazhang
[23:47] <Richiie> L1nuxRules: the link there refers to the usage of vnc4server to start an virtual desktop
[23:47] <theborger> when i add that, i am unable to connnect via ssh
[23:47] <bekks> happyface: well, lets start over. Which controller do you use exactly? did you setup the software raid using windows or ubuntu?
[23:47] <Richiie> L1nuxRules: and it surely does, but i dont know how i can access the virtual desktop to really see whit my eyes that TW is launching
[23:47] <StepNjump> What should be the attributes for my ~/user/Documents?
[23:47] <bazhang> L1nuxRules, dont give advice if you dont know
[23:48] <bekks> theborger: why dont you just use ssh -X ?
[23:49] <L1nuxRules> bazhang ok sorry I dont think on that because I wouldnt follow if I dont know but alot do
[23:49] <happyface> bekks: well it's using intel rapid storage technology. I meant to asy "firmware RAID" rather than hardware/software RAID
[23:50] <happyface> s/asy/say
[23:50] <bekks> happyface: thats a clearly windows based technology.
[23:50] <geoffmcc> theborger: im not seeing at text in that page, but i had this in a bookmark from when i did it.. http://www.craigryder.com/linux-ubuntudebetc/x11-forwarding-and-ssh-for-remote-linux-ubuntu-desktop/
[23:50] <bekks> Using it, will result in seeing at least two devices with identical "raid partitions".
[23:50] <L1nuxRules> bazhang I know Linux , not as much Ubuntu but I thought your last comment was harsh.
[23:51] <happyface> bekks: from wikipedia: "Linux supports Matrix RAID through device mapper (DM-RAID) and MD-RAID"
[23:51] <bekks> happyface: matrix raid is another thing than rapid storage by intel ;)
[23:51] <nils_> I thought that Intel thing was some kind of add on card you can stick on some ASUS boards?
[23:52] <happyface> bekks: I probbaly don't know much about RAID, but that was from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Rapid_Storage_Technology
[23:52] <bekks> happyface: So which controller do you use exactly?
[23:53] <L1nuxRules> thats hw raid isnt it?
[23:53] <soreau> what the heck is wrong with gimp. If you try to open a jpeg image without .jpg extension, it says unkown file type
[23:53] <bekks> happyface: first sentence in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Rapid_Storage_Technology
[23:53] <bekks> L1nuxRules: No.
[23:54] <geoffmcc> soreau: might need to talk to the folks over at gimp
[23:54] <happyface> bekks: intel P67 chipset
[23:54] <[vbm]> how can I find out which process deleted a directory/file?
[23:54] <bekks> happyface: Thats not hardware raid at all :)
[23:54] <bekks> [vbm]: Impossible.
[23:54] <happyface> bekks: I know, I thought it was software
[23:55] <happyface> bekks: but wikipedia says it's "firmware"
[23:55] <bekks> happyface: Yes it basically is. There a firmware part which is used by some windows userland application.
[23:55] <UngaHunga> Hi.  Ubuntu 11.04.  Easy question... how long will 11.04 be supported with updates?  I know it isn't LTS but I am curious...thanks!
[23:55] <L1nuxRules> errr widows
[23:56] <happyface> bekks: so how does linux see the partition? Because it definitely does
[23:56] <bazhang> UngaHunga, 18 months
[23:56] <UngaHunga> bazhang, ok thanks.
[23:56] <bekks> happyface: Well, then startup your live cd and nopaste the output of "fdisk -l".
[23:56] <[vbm]> bekks: thanks. the watch and incomplete directories I use with transmission sometimes disappear. I kind of wanted to make sure it is not something else before logging it with transmission
[23:57] <L1nuxRules> When I leaRNED lINUX IT WAS USE gOOGLE LMAO
[23:57] <stoufa> salut à tous
[23:57] <caution> why is karmic gone from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/?
[23:57] <happyface> L1nuxRules: take your arrogance elsewhere
[23:57] <jrib> !karmic | caution
[23:58] <jrib> !upgrade | caution
[23:58] <jrib> caution: it's time to upgrade to a supported release :)
[23:58] <caution> can't upgrade
[23:58] <MonkeyDust> L1nuxRules  when i learned DOS, there was no google
[23:58] <bazhang> MonkeyDust, lets move on please
[23:59] <caution> jrib: when does 10.04 expire?
[23:59] <szal> people should think about support lifetimes before installing software..
[23:59] <bekks> caution: After 5 years, server version.
[23:59] <jrib> caution: 3 years desktop support, 5 years server
[23:59] <theborger> what is the option for adding multiple ssh ports is it port,port ?


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