[03:30] <nishit_> Hi team, let me know if it is ok for me to push mariadb-10.6 updates to jammy, bug ref: https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006882
[03:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2006882 in mariadb-10.6 (Ubuntu) "MDEV-29988 affects MariaDB in Ubuntu" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[05:47] <rs2009> bdmurray: could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~rs2009/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+git/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+merge/437647? (it adds Ubuntu Unity to DistUpgrade.cfg)?
[05:49] <rs2009> vorlon: I saw your comment in your merge proposal in the Ubuntu Unity seed repo; ~ubuntu-core-dev has been invited to the Unity7 Maintainers team
[05:50] <rs2009> also, could we sync the ubuntu-unity-desktop package with the seed?
[06:32] <khfeng> rbasak: can you please review and sponsor the debdiff in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2007331? Thanks!
[06:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2007331 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lunar) "Fix HFP mSBC support on Realtek Bluetooth USB controller" [Medium, Confirmed]
[08:29] <sil2100> paride: morning! How are the 22.04.2 subiquity images looking so far?
[08:31] <rbasak> khfeng: sorry, I'm off for the next few weeks
[08:49] <paride> sil2100, hi! looking good, I submitted results to the iso tracker yesterday
[08:49] <sil2100> paride: excellent, thanks!
[08:49] <sil2100> paride: btw. can you help me poke the desktop team for some desktop testing? Since I poked them yesterday but I still only see 2 test results so far...
[08:50] <sil2100> Maybe I'm poking them too early in the morning
[08:52] <paride> sil2100, I also have a couple of desktop results to submit, and I'll try to poke someone from desktop
[09:12] <khfeng> rbasak: still thanks!
[09:13] <khfeng> sil2100: so, can you please review and sponsor the debdiff in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2007331? Thanks!
[09:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2007331 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lunar) "Fix HFP mSBC support on Realtek Bluetooth USB controller" [Medium, Confirmed]
[10:02] <sil2100> khfeng: hello! eeek! Might be a bit problematic this week for me, I'm swamped with 22.04.2 work + others!
[11:10] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: heey, one more thing around "task", sorry :P
[11:11] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: when we mention add_task install cloud-image (cf: https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/auto/config?h=2.799#n941)
[11:12] <utkarsh2102> what happens really?
[11:12] <utkarsh2102> the cloud-image seed's definition is used?
[11:12] <utkarsh2102> that is https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.jammy/cloud-image
[11:12] <utkarsh2102> so the three things gets installed: ubuntu-server, cloud-init, and openssh-server?
[11:12] <utkarsh2102> or the task install cloud-image means the germinated output of the whole seed?
[11:15] <sil2100> utkarsh2102: hey! It installs something closer to the latter. Basically it installs all packages that are in the 'cloud-image' task, which basically comes from germinating the cloud-image seed
[11:16] <utkarsh2102> then what's the difference between adding something as a task and germinating the whole seed?
[11:16] <utkarsh2102> so is cloud-image germinated behind the scenes?
[11:27] <khfeng> sil2100: oops. still thanks!
[11:27] <khfeng> tjaalton: your turn... can you please review and sponsor the debdiff in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2007331? Thanks!
[11:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2007331 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lunar) "Fix HFP mSBC support on Realtek Bluetooth USB controller" [Medium, Confirmed]
[11:39] <tjaalton> khfeng: okay
[12:10] <khfeng> tjaalton: thanks a lot
[13:24] <sil2100> Ouch, we seem to have a possible .2 blocker!
[13:24] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/2008082
[13:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2008082 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install crash with broadcom wifi" [Undecided, New]
[13:41] <sil2100> Oh hoo, hmmm, could it be locale related?
[14:18] <fheimes> Hi @ubuntu-archive, the s390-tools (/ s390-tools-signed) package for lunar is stuck.
[14:18] <fheimes> The LP build: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s390-tools/2.26.0-0ubuntu1/+build/25599529
[14:18] <fheimes> says that the "Binary packages awaiting approval in UNAPPROVED queue".
[14:18] <fheimes> Would you be so kind to approve?
[15:09] <coreycb> hello sru team, we have a small SRU for neutron in the focal unapproved queue if someone can take a look please.
[15:30] <sil2100> Ok, re: the possible-blocker-bug above - this might not be a regression since .1
[15:31] <sil2100> I think it's just a limitation of ubiquity + missing locale packages on the images for budgie
[15:54] <sil2100> paride: heeey
[15:54] <sil2100> paride: do the automated testing for subiquity test both the GA and the HWE kernel installs?
[15:54] <sil2100> paride: did you by any chance test the HWE kernel installation scenario?
[16:07] <paride> sil2100, only the GA kernel is tested in automation. I did try an hwe install in a VM, without hitting issues, but of course there's no special hardware there
[16:07] <paride> sil2100, there are some hwe reports on arm64: https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/442/builds/271835/testcases/1697/results
[16:07] <sil2100> paride: phew, thanks. Since I did an install but didn't check if it was actually using the right kernel at the end
[16:08] <sil2100> Since one regression in comparison to 20.04 we *might* have is the fact that even when you select the HWE kernel, the target might have two kernels installed...
[16:08] <sil2100> I don't think that's per design?
[16:08] <sil2100> Actually I don't know if that's what's happening
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tzdata [amd64] (lunar-proposed/main) [2022g-7ubuntu1] (core)
[16:22] <seb128> hum, the iso tracker states that the Ubuntu Desktop Lunar daily is rebuilding but there is no build listed in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/lunar/ubuntu
[16:22] <seb128> I tried to trigger a new build but no sign of it having an effect
[16:23] <seb128> could someone trigger a build on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/lunar/ubuntu directly?
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: webkit2gtk [i386] (lunar-proposed/main) [2.39.90-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[16:52] <sil2100> seb128: this needs to be cleared on ancientiminister
[16:52] <sil2100> I'll do that in a free  timeslot
[17:07] <seb128> sil2100, ack, thanks
[18:04] <sil2100> xnox, klebers, smb: I got a report that there is issue with secureboot and dkms on .2, with the broadcom driver at least
[18:06] <sil2100> With kernels/shims landing so late and not having testing resources, how could this been properly checked..?
[18:08] <sil2100> bdmurray: it seems similar to the kinetic issue, but I thought we fixed this with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/2.8.7-2ubuntu2.1
[18:08] <bdmurray> It doesn't seem fixed in Jammy
[18:08] <sil2100> Also, I  thought it was broken by the kinetic version of dkms
[18:10] <sil2100> aka, I think it was a breakage we got when we pulled in a new dkms from Debian. But in jammy we didn't get anything besides the fix upload from Dimitri
[18:10] <sil2100> arraybolt3 is filling in a bug now
[18:10] <arraybolt3> Trying anyway, this laptop is slow so bear with me :-/
[18:11] <arraybolt3> what? ubuntu-bug dkms is telling me that the package doesn't appear to be an official Ubuntu package >_<
[18:12] <bdmurray> That always happens if you haven't run 'apt-get update'
[18:12] <bdmurray> Also filing it about ubiquity would be best so we get install log files.
[18:12] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK thank you.
[18:23] <arraybolt3> sil2100: bug 2008120
[18:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2008120 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Third-party drivers are silently left unsigned when installing Ubuntu Desktop on a system with Secure Boot, Broadcom WiFi, and LVM+encryption" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008120
[18:24] <arraybolt3> bdmurray, xnox, klebers, smb: ^
[18:24] <jbicha> arraybolt3: do you have time to check if that issue also happens with 22.04.1 ?
[18:25] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[18:25]  * arraybolt3 digs up a faster USB drive
[18:26] <sil2100> ...that would be a good test indeed
[18:26] <sil2100> Since I think we only started testing secureboot with DKMS actually only with kinetic
[18:36] <arraybolt3> Lovely. I can't boot the 22.04.1 ISO.
[18:36] <arraybolt3> Verification failed: (0x1A) Security Violation
[18:36] <arraybolt3> Somehow I've managed to scramble Secure Boot on this laptop.
[18:38] <arraybolt3> I think I must be booting the wrong shim somehow?
[18:39] <arraybolt3> Sigh. Anyone know how to clear the old shim keys? The shim on the 22.04.1 ISO is booting but it's not willing to boot GRUB probably because of the key rotation in shim we did recently.
[18:59] <bdmurray> I tried recreating bug 1991725 but with virtualbox and the while I received no MOK enrollment in the boot process there are vbox drivers loaded e.g. vboxdrv vboxnetadp vboxnetflt.
[18:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 1991725 in dkms (Ubuntu) "fails to sign kernel modules" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1991725
[19:00]  * arraybolt3 meanwhile still can't get 22.04.1 to boot :(
[19:01] <sil2100> juliank: ^ do you have any idea on how to proceed here?
[19:02] <arraybolt3> (I tried resetting all existing MOK keys, which had no effect.)
[19:03] <juliank> Boot the 22.04.2 preview iso or disable secure boot and then do reset of the sbat level with mokutil
[19:03] <arraybolt3> Not sure what the "rest of the sbat level" means. I have to boot the 22.04.1 iso for regression testing, with Secure Boot enabled.
[19:04] <arraybolt3> Oh, "reset", not "rest". Nvm.
[19:04] <arraybolt3> Will attempt, thank you!
[19:05] <sil2100> I knew juliank is the right person to ping regarding hacking shim!
[19:05] <sil2100> juliank: thanks!
[19:05] <sil2100> arraybolt3: and thank you for the help debugging this o/
[19:05] <sil2100> I need to rest a moment AFK
[19:19] <arraybolt3> juliank: What would be the command to reset SBAT? mokutil no longer appears to support --set-sbat-policy.
[19:31]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [arm64] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.67.1+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[19:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [amd64] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.67.1+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[19:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [s390x] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.67.1+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[19:53] <arraybolt3> Actually, it looks like the mokutil version in 22.04.1 is too *old.
[19:54] <arraybolt3> OK I can work around that probably.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> WOOT got it! OK, finally testing 22.04.1.
[20:20] <sil2100> \o/
[20:20] <sil2100> arraybolt3: waiting with anticipation!
[20:20] <arraybolt3> I had to install the mokutil from Kinetic to get it working >_<
[20:23] <arraybolt3> sil2100: Good news, it's not a regression!
[20:23] <arraybolt3> Same exact problem on 22.04.1
[20:24] <sil2100> I'd like to say 'yay', but then again, bugs like this are never good
[20:24] <arraybolt3> I personally would *prefer* that this be fixed for 22.04.2 but if we have no choice, we have no choice. And no one has brought it up in support venues while I was around.
[20:24] <sil2100> Can you leave a comment on the bug for that?
[20:24] <arraybolt3> If I can manage to get to the tab, yes.
[20:26] <sil2100> Big thanks for all the testing. It's really unfortunate as we basically recommended people that encountered issues with Broadcom in kinetic installs to use 22.04.1
[20:26] <sil2100> oh well
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [armhf] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.67.1+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[20:56] <pmatulis> rbasak, hi, verification to have this enter -updates is done. it's a high priority for enterprise cloud users: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ovn/20.03.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:57] <sil2100> Ok, and I'm still investigating the locale-based offline-mode crash, and I think I'm getting close
[21:02] <rbasak> pmatulis: sorry, I'm off for a few weeks.
[21:11] <sil2100> Oh no... this seems to point to a regression in language-selector
[21:30] <sil2100> Oh no, I'm getting flashbacks
[21:33] <sil2100> This starts feeling as if another issue with the apt cache on the live filesystem being invalid
[21:34] <bdmurray> I've been able to recreate bug 2008120 w/ qemu and a broadcom wireless device I found lying around my office
[21:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2008120 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Third-party drivers are silently left unsigned when installing Ubuntu Desktop on a system with Secure Boot, Broadcom WiFi, and LVM+encryption" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008120
[21:36] <sil2100> Yeah, not a regression, but we need to release note it
[21:38] <bdmurray> How was it determined not to be a regression?
[21:38] <arraybolt3> Uses 22.04.1, reproduced the bug.
[21:38] <arraybolt3> *Used
[21:38] <bdmurray> Ah, I'd missed that.
[21:38] <arraybolt3> (Thus my small tantrum over Secure Boot earlier, since installing 22.04.2 makes it impossible to boot a 22.04.1 ISO :P)
[21:39] <arraybolt3> (Without using mokutil to fix SBAT.)
[21:39] <sil2100> GRRR
[21:39] <sil2100> SHIT, this IS the same issue as we had previously
[21:40] <sil2100> Something's wrong with out build scripts
[21:40] <sil2100> *our
[21:40] <sil2100> The locale-dependent offline-install issue is the same as we had with the kernels (I think) previously, the one where I had to manually repack all the candidate isos
[21:41] <arraybolt3> That sounds bad.
[21:41] <arraybolt3> OK, well where's the build scripts? And maybe a link to the bug report?
[21:41] <sil2100> Basically doing a `rm -rf *Packages` in /var/lib/apt/lists fixes it
[21:42] <sil2100> Let me write down my findings
[21:42] <arraybolt3> So I guess the question then is how hard it is to deploy new build scripts and then use them, test the results, and push them.
[21:42] <arraybolt3> Release day isn't 'till tomorrow, I think a concerted effort could probably pull it off.
[21:42] <sil2100> I think it would be hard to pin-point where the bug is happening
[21:43] <arraybolt3> Right but you have a command that fixes it, why not run it immediately before the step where the filesystem gets squashfs'ed?
[21:43] <sil2100> I think we need to identify what's breaking this, but for now I think I'd resort again to re-packing the desktop isos
[21:43] <sil2100> hmmm
[21:43] <arraybolt3> I mean that's what you're about to do by hand anyway.
[21:44] <sil2100> That's also an option, but I think it would still be easier to just repack
[21:44] <sil2100> Since livecd-rootfs is a bit of a risky beast
[21:44] <sil2100> But yeah, certainly an option
[21:45] <arraybolt3> Perhaps it's better to leave it unmodified so we can fix the real bug.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> (livecd-rootfs is a bash script, right? Might be a fun project for me to hack on at some point.)
[21:46] <arraybolt3> Nope, Python. Still, I know that and can fiddle with it.
[21:47] <arraybolt3> er, mixture of both.
[21:47]  * arraybolt3 has a head explosion and then goes back to what I was doing
[21:51] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/2008082
[21:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2008082 in Ubuntu CD Images "Install crash with broadcom wifi" [Critical, Triaged]
[21:52] <sil2100> bdmurray, vorlon, paride: FYI ^
[21:52] <sil2100> fossfreedom: ^
[21:52] <sil2100> arraybolt3: ahahah, yeah, it's actually a very terrible set of bash scripts, some Python
[21:53] <mwhudson> a distressing amount of livecd-rootfs is actually run by sh not even bash
[21:53] <arraybolt3> The joys of legacy code.
[21:54] <arraybolt3> Speaking of manual repacks, I have to repack lxqt-runner so I'm gonna go do that, yell at me when you need extra testing help.
[22:43] <liushuyu> Hi there, I would like to request the removal of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/1.67.1+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1/ from LL-proposed due to a critical issue described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/2007642/comments/7
[22:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2007642 in rustc (Ubuntu) "Upgrade Rust to 1.67.1" [Undecided, In Progress]
[22:48] <bdmurray> Is there an AA who can help liushuyu ?
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dm-writeboost [amd64] (lunar-proposed/none) [2.2.16-0.1] (kernel-dkms)
[23:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (jammy-proposed/main) [2.765.17 => 2.765.18] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.765.18]


[12:12] <sivang> ogra: knoppix has an ltsp server inbox?
[12:12] <sivang> ogra: that is, in box
[12:12] <ogra> it once had... i hvent seen knoppix since about two years...
[12:22] <dholbach> sleep tight guys - i'm off to bed :-)
[12:23] <sivang> dholbach: night!
[12:23] <dholbach> bye sivang, sleep tight :-)
[12:23] <sivang> yay, gnome-cups-manager identifed my HP printer now! cooool
[12:23] <sivang> dholbach: oviderzane!
[12:24] <sivang> (I probably have MANY mistaked there)
[12:24] <ogra> night daniel
[12:25] <sivang> mdz: ping again, would you like to send me a suggestin script for localizing the livecd? or is it a matter of installing language-support-XX into the cloop compressed img?
[12:26] <sivang> mdz: I want to fill up the localization section also.
[12:26] <dholbach> sivang: wow... if you pronounce "oviderzane" in english, it's nearly right :-)
[12:26] <mdz> sivang: slow down; those packages were not even available until a few days ago
[12:26] <dholbach> sivang: we spell it "auf wiedersehen" in german :-)
[12:28] <sivang> dholbach: this is how i hear it :)
[12:29] <ogra> sivang: learning german ?
[12:29] <dholbach> sivang: i didnt say it was wrong :-)
[12:31] <sivang> ogra: trying hehe ;-) wish I knew some more..
[12:31] <ogra> ssh ogra@sivang apt-get install language-support-de
[12:31] <ogra> ;)
[12:36] <sivang> dholbach: ok
[12:46] <sivang> ogra: does it habve anyting inside it already?
[12:47] <ogra>  language-support-de ?
[12:47] <ogra> dunno....
[12:47] <sivang> ogra: oh , it has some things in it already :) I am now installing
[12:48] <ogra> sivang: it was a joke ;)
[12:48] <ogra> sivang: i was installing it on you via ssh....
[01:48] <kent> should python-xdg be expected to work? if that python module has support for the new freedesktop menu, then a simply menueditor for gnome should not be so hard to write?
[01:48] <sivang> ogra: take a look at wiki/ServerTeam, would like to hear some thoughts
[01:49] <sivang> (everybody else are also welcome)
[01:49] <jdub> GOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[01:50] <sivang> jdub: MORNING!
[01:50] <sivang> jdub: wiki/ServerTeam
[01:50] <tseng> lo jdub
[01:50] <sivang> jdub: what about the pantalones?
[01:51] <jdub> later in the day :)
[01:51] <sivang> jdub: heheh
[01:52] <jdz_> howdy :)
[01:53] <jdub> yo jdz_
[03:20] <lexhider> FTBS, can someone please define?
[03:21] <chrisa> Perhaps you mean FTBFS?
[03:22] <lexhider> probably, although the email I'm reading says FTBS, I don't know what either mean.
[03:22] <chrisa> Failed to build from source for one, not sure about the other
[03:23] <lexhider> thanks
[03:25] <lexhider> I'll also add to glossary page on wiki
[03:49] <jdub> whoa
[04:19] <sivang> can someone suggest why I am not able to run g-s-t::users-admin from within my hoary chroot?
[04:24] <sivang> jdub: you have an idea why is needed to do in order to run X/GNOME clients under a chroot?
[04:26] <jdub> a crap load of everything
[04:27] <jdub> you're better off using a debootstrapped chroot than a minimal chroot
[04:27] <jdub> or uml or something
[04:27] <jdub> first problem is that you won't have access to the display
[04:28] <daniels> jdub: well, if you bind-mount $HOME, you get ~/.Xauthority
[04:28] <daniels> (don't forget to bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix for the transport)
[04:28] <jdub> yeah, but that's just the start ;)
[04:31] <daniels> well, running GNOME can be a pain
[04:32] <daniels> never really did work out how to run multiple GNOME sessions as the same user on the same machine
[04:32] <daniels> (different $DISPLAYs, obviously)
[04:38] <jdz_> oh, thats a big proublem
[04:38] <jdz_> with a 2nd gnome login, most of the applets are dead, genearly looks horable, etc
[04:45] <sivang> eh well, I was not really looking to run the whole session, only some selected apps.
[04:48] <sivang> jdub: ot
[04:48] <sivang> erghh, crappy keyboard.
[04:49] <sivang> jdub , daniels : it's amazing how much I learn that I do not yet know just from you answering my questions :) what is bind-mount?
[04:50] <sivang> (hmm, maybe mounting my original home folder from the chroot env?...)
[04:50] <jdz_> sivang: mount -o bind /source-location /destination
[04:51] <daniels> sivang: it basically glues two locations together
[04:51] <daniels> sivang: i have /home/daniels/chroot/hoary-newx/home bind-mounted to /home, so it's like an exactly mirror
[04:51] <daniels> sivang: think like a symlink, but works within chroots, etc
[04:52] <sivang> daniels: cool, tnx
[04:53] <sivang> daniels: so then for the duration of the bind mount my original home folder "vanishes" and the chroot one is used instead?
[04:53] <daniels> sivang: yeah
[04:53] <jdz_> They both exist :)
[04:53] <daniels> /home in the chroot looks exactly like your usual /home
[04:54] <daniels> (i assume you mean that the original /home you had in your chroot vanishes)
[04:54] <sivang> yes
[04:54] <jdz_> ah, right
[04:54] <daniels> right
[04:55] <sivang> daniels: so, any breakage I would create in the chroot's home, basically ruins my own home from the main system...
[04:55] <sivang> sorry, s/chroot's home/chroot's user home folder/
[04:56] <daniels> sivang: correct
[04:57] <sivang> daniels: ok, tnx++
[05:04] <sivang> phew, if you forget the bind mount gnome is also non usable on the other login...
[05:17] <wasabi_> There some plan for gcc 4.0 anywhere?
[05:17] <wasabi_> =)
[05:18] <sivang> wasabi_: shush, don't let fabbione here you, he may be already awake...;-)
[05:18] <wasabi_> haha
[05:18] <wasabi_> I just actually noticed debian has it in experimental.
[05:19] <sivang> wasabi_: that's like extra breakage sources for sid right? (it's not somthing more unstable then sid IIRC)
[05:20] <wasabi_> I bet it's in there because of sarge.
[05:22] <wasabi_> woh. it moved.
[05:34] <sivang> when I have something like that in the debian/rulez, does that mean it uses cdbs?
[05:34] <sivang> include /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk
[05:35] <sivang> jdub: this is from the g-s-t source pkg.
[05:36] <ajmitch> it looks similar to cdbs
[05:36] <ajmitch> but is gnome-pkg-tools
[05:37] <wasabi_> That's the peice of the gnome packages that adds the gnome package maintainers to it.
[05:37] <wasabi_> It's an odd setup... Debian's pkg-gnome group.
[05:37] <wasabi_> Packages have a control.in, with @GNOME_UPLOADERS@ in it.
[05:37] <wasabi_> Each member of the pkg-gnome team has their name/email stuck in there.
[05:38] <sivang> wierd
[05:38] <sivang> wierd
[05:38] <wasabi_> well, it works. It's so each member of the team can upload, but each person can remain the maintainer of their own packages.
[05:38] <sivang> wasabi_: the control.in is supposed to be als oin that package? I'll look there..
[05:39] <wasabi_> The control.in is in the package that uses gnome-pkg-tools.
[05:39] <sivang> clean::
[05:39] <sivang> 	sed "s/@GNOME_TEAM@/$(uploaders)/" \
[05:39] <sivang> 	debian/control.in > debian/control
[05:40] <sivang> yep
[05:40] <sivang> boy, emacs has such a nice coloring for make files..
[05:41] <sivang> wasabi_: basically, all those include file and cdbs's are make file classes right? inherent feature of the make lanugage.
[05:42] <wasabi_> yeah
[05:42] <sivang> wasabi_: then it's really all sums up to what mdz/jdub said, if you start with reading the make manual, everything will look easier after..;-)
[05:42] <sivang> (you have to finish reading it ofcourse)
[05:44] <wasabi_> i never read the thing
[05:44] <wasabi_> i still barely grasp it
[05:45] <sivang> wasabi_: so how do you manage to munge your daily dose of pkgs?
[05:46] <sivang> cdbs?
[05:46] <wasabi_> eh?
[05:46] <wasabi_> sometimes.
[05:46] <wasabi_> cdbs if possible.
[05:46] <sivang> wasabi_: and on the other times? ;)
[05:46] <wasabi_> For Eclipse, cdbs was impossible.
[05:46] <wasabi_> So I learned make.
[05:46] <wasabi_> actually basic make is really easy.
[05:47] <wasabi_> learning how to set up your rules to actually make a package, and understanding debhelper, is a bit harder.
[05:49] <sivang> I see.
[05:52] <sivang> wasabi_: so , a quick question, I have a pacakge, all set and building/installing ok, I just want it to install another file in a specific location, how do I add this to the rules/dh_* commands?
[05:52] <wasabi_> just copy it into the temp install directory before you run dh_builddeb
[05:52] <wasabi_> probably using "install"
[05:53] <sivang> ok, I'll try that, tnx.
[07:18] <HostingGeek> hey my friend just told me a cool feature redhat has and that is /sbin/services is linked to /etc/init.d/
[07:18] <HostingGeek> so you do services <app> restart...
[07:19] <HostingGeek> it makes it a lot easier than typing out /etc/init.d/
[07:19] <HostingGeek> even thought there is tab completion
[07:19] <HostingGeek> but i know why redhat did it because they add rc.d
[07:25] <HostingGeek> MonoDevelop is broken is this known???
[07:26] <HostingGeek> anyone?
[07:28] <daniels> HostingGeek: a) these things are still utterly inappropriate for #ubuntu-devel, b) invoke-rc.d, c) if it's broken, file a bug, don't harass people on irc
[07:28] <daniels> we've asked you before repeatedly not to misuse our development channel and make it useless for us
[07:28] <HostingGeek> daniels: /msg
[07:34] <HostingGeek> daniels: did you ignore me?? why arnt you answer me
[07:39] <crimsun> HostingGeek: your questions tend to be more suitable for #ubuntu (just an observation)
[07:39] <HostingGeek> --- Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[07:39] <HostingGeek> crimsun: and this is why i keep on msg daniels but he seemed to ignore me
[07:42] <daniels> HostingGeek: i don't sit at the computer every waking hour; i was trying to print something
[07:59] <fabbione> hey daniels.. still around?
[08:00] <daniels> hey papa
[08:00] <daniels> let me test the drm stuff for you
[08:00] <fabbione> what's up kid :-)
[08:00] <daniels> nommuch man
[08:00] <fabbione> no rush..
[08:00] <daniels> just getting read to head out and see a movie
[08:00] <fabbione> i just woke up
[08:01] <fabbione> eheh cool.. what movie?
[08:01] <daniels> ah cool :)
[08:01] <daniels> blues brothers, actually
[08:01] <fabbione> ehhe
[08:01] <daniels> they have the moonlight cinema in this massive park ... portable screen, starts at sunset.
[08:01] <daniels> ok, wget'ing now
[08:01] <fabbione> oh that's nice...
[08:01] <fabbione> daniels: no rush.. i just need to know within 24hours or so
[08:02] <fabbione> today is dedicated to the house ;)
[08:02] <fabbione> we have almost done with the big stuff in the livingroom
[08:02] <fabbione> it's only left to paint the walls and do the small details
[08:02] <daniels> oh, nice!
[08:02] <daniels> that's awesome
[08:02] <fabbione> i still have the glassfilt hitching my skin :-)))
[08:02] <daniels> how long will the walls take?
[08:03] <fabbione> daniels: 3/4 days
[08:03] <fabbione> + another 2/3 days for details
[08:03] <fabbione> the real problems are the waiting time for stuff to dry
[08:03] <ajmitch> hi fabbione
[08:03] <fabbione> otherwise it wouldn't take THAT long
[08:03] <daniels> yeah
[08:03] <fabbione> hi ajmitch
[08:03] <ajmitch> just testing out selinux kernel stuff now
[08:03] <daniels> ah, that's good then :)
[08:03] <daniels> nice work dude
[08:03] <fabbione> thanks :-)
[08:03] <fabbione> daniels: i will put up pics when it's done
[08:04] <ajmitch> after a number of build failures :)
[08:04] <fabbione> you are one of the few that can see the diff ;)
[08:04] <daniels> heh heh
[08:04] <fabbione> Total 4570 package(s)
[08:04] <fabbione> wow.. i already munged 50% of universe
[08:04] <fabbione> but there were tons of FTBFS due to missing-deps
[08:06] <ajmitch> alright, seeing plenty of audit messages related to tmpfs.. a good sign, I hope
[08:07] <daniels> fabbione: hoy crap, that's insane
[08:07] <fabbione> why?
[08:08] <daniels> fabbione: i thought about cleaning up my room, but then xorg and l-r-m would lose a week of activity
[08:08] <fabbione> do you realize that 100% of the big packages are in main?
[08:08] <daniels> fabbione: the 50% of universe
[08:08] <daniels> mmm, I suppose
[08:08] <daniels> but there are still like a few gcc versions
[08:08] <fabbione> daniels: only 2..
[08:08] <fabbione> 2.95 and 3.2
[08:08] <fabbione> that for sure are smaller than 3.3 (6 hours to build)
[08:08] <daniels> not as bad as I thought then
[08:08] <daniels> heh :)
[08:09] <fabbione> probably... kernel-image- for sparc
[08:09] <fabbione> that is relatively big...
[08:09] <fabbione> but there is not much left really
[08:09] <daniels> cool, that rocks
[08:09] <daniels> you get the fun of qt/kde as well
[08:09] <daniels> ah no wait, qt's in main
[08:10] <fabbione> and already built :-)
[08:10] <fabbione> i know there is a circular build-dep somewhere in kde iirc
[08:10] <fabbione> but that needs to be solved manually
[08:10] <fabbione> = at the really end
[08:11] <daniels> heh
[08:12] <fabbione> i need to remember to ask elmo/lamont to publish source-deps
[08:12] <fabbione> there is one for debian, but i don't think we have one for us
[08:15] <daniels> fabbione: no ABI change for radeon
[08:18] <fabbione> cool, does it actually work?
[08:19] <daniels> yeah :)
[08:19] <fabbione> neat
[08:21] <zenrox> what about my vid card
[08:21] <zenrox> lol
[08:28] <daniels> fabbione: and i915 is fine too
[08:28] <daniels> fabbione: thanks a heap
[08:28] <fabbione> daniels: cool, have fun
[08:59] <dholbach> hai
[10:30] <HostingGeek> daniels: can gambas-gtk move into ubuntu already
[10:30] <crimsun> HostingGeek: he's away at a movie.
[10:30] <HostingGeek> why the hell will anyone want to be stuck with Qt?
[10:30] <HostingGeek> crimsun: ok but can we still move it into universe?
[10:31] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I don't even see a Debianized GTK portion
[10:32] <HostingGeek> weirod
[10:32] <HostingGeek> there site says it in debian
[10:32] <crimsun> where?
[10:32] <crimsun> `apt-cache search gambas|grep gtk' returns nothing.
[10:33] <crimsun> note that gambas is already in hoary/universe
[10:34] <HostingGeek> look at http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ > Distros & OS
[10:34] <HostingGeek> ok
[10:34] <HostingGeek> as linex.org is the maintainer for debian
[10:35] <HostingGeek> and it is in linex.org 's rep but not in debian
[10:35] <HostingGeek> for what ever reason can we just build the source packages from linex.org?
[10:35] <crimsun> um, no. We want packages that are held to some QA standard, yanno.
[10:36] <HostingGeek> QA?
[10:36] <crimsun> you're familiar with quality assurance, correct?
[10:37] <HostingGeek> yes
[10:37] <HostingGeek> crimsun: linex.org IS the debian maintainer
[10:38] <HostingGeek> i check it just now
[10:38] <crimsun> who, Jos L. Redrejo Rodrguez<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:39] <HostingGeek> that linex.org
[10:40] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i know from email linex.org over the nvu package
[10:41] <crimsun> if he's the maintainer, then ask him why there's no gtk package.
[10:41] <crimsun> [in sid]
[10:42] <HostingGeek> crimsun: well he is away he has no answered my email from a few weeks ago
[10:44] <crimsun> HostingGeek: you could always (re)package it yourself and submit it for MOTU approval. That would speed along the process.
[10:45] <HostingGeek> glade package needs rebuilding
[10:45] <crimsun> It'd be wise to do thorough lintian checks.
[10:45] <HostingGeek> "Couldn't show help file: glade-faq."
[10:45] <crimsun> Are you saying Glade needs to be rebuilt in Hoary?
[10:46] <HostingGeek> yes
[10:47] <HostingGeek> goto glade > faq and you will see that error
[10:47] <crimsun> then file a bug on the appropriate packages.
[10:59] <HostingGeek> how the hell am i ment to file a bug if bugzilla is so slow
[11:00] <HostingGeek> its been 12min and still haven't be able to file it yet
[11:03] <HostingGeek> i have pushed new 8 times in bugzilla its done nothing
[11:03] <HostingGeek> am i doing something wrong?
[11:04] <HostingGeek> *yes* ok it working
[11:14] <dholbach> gambas-1.0-1 seems borked - at least on amd 64
[11:14] <crimsun> dholbach: from hoary/universe?
[11:15] <dholbach> sizeof(CLASS) = 256 !  -  ERROR: #51: Bad archive: invalid argument
[11:15] <dholbach> crimsun: yes
[11:15] <crimsun> dholbach: not surprising.
[11:22] <dholbach> does "new contact" work for you in evolution?
[11:23] <crimsun> dholbach: yes.
[11:23] <dholbach> hmmmmmmmmmmmm :-/
[11:24] <dholbach> crimsun: i click the button and nothing happens
[11:24] <dholbach> strange
[11:24] <crimsun> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3
[11:25] <dholbach> crimsun: yes
[11:25] <crimsun> I'm sorry, I don't know of amd64 issues.
[11:28] <Mithrandir> dholbach: hm?  evo broken on amd64 again?
[11:30] <dholbach> Mithrandir: not sure
[11:30] <dholbach> Mithrandir: doesnt have to be an amd64 issue
[11:30] <dholbach> oh... i see: something f.cked up the addressbook: evolution-addressbook-WARNING **: error loading addressbook : e_book_load_uri: no factories available for uri `file:///home/daniel/.evolution/addressbook/local/system'
[11:36] <dholbach> hmm
[11:46] <HostingGeek> hmm WTF why does when connecting to a ftp server open in firefox?
[11:48] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: shy are you asking on a developer channel, instead of a user-support channel?
[11:48] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: because someone banned me from #ubuntu and i am showing them that it is a stupid idea as it will mean i'll use this one instead
[11:49] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: you know it'll just get you banned here /as well/
[11:50] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: well if you don't want me to ask here then you'll have to unban me from #ubuntu and i'll stop asking here
[12:34] <thom> seb128: what's wrong with firefox? (and no, i don't mind)
[12:34] <seb128> thom: bah, you have not add typeaheadfind to the list of extensions in debian/rules so basically the changes are not used :p
[12:35] <seb128> s/add/added/
[12:35] <seb128> thom: BTW chpe has updated the patch (added 2 little change)
[12:36] <seb128> thom: all these change are just here to get a typeaheadfind which doesn't conflict with the firefox find stuff ... but you still need to build typefindahead :)
[12:37] <thom> oh, doh
[12:37] <thom> i can do that now
[12:37] <seb128> bah
[12:37] <thom> or you can
[12:37] <thom> either way
[12:37] <seb128> gnome.org is down
[12:38] <seb128> I've the changes here, I've built a new package
[12:38] <thom> go for it then
[12:38] <seb128> so if you want I can go ahead with it
[12:38] <seb128> ok
[12:38] <seb128> BTW how do you handle the changes ? you patch directly the sources ?
[12:38] <thom> yeah
[12:39] <seb128> ok
[12:39] <thom> (it's a total pain, but so's trying to maintain a patch system when debin maints don't want it
[12:40] <seb128> right
[01:20] <dholbach> i'll be back later... bye
[01:54] <jdub> seb128: you read gnome-vfs-list?
[01:54] <ogra> morning...
[01:54] <jdub> thom: so with firefox... :o
[01:54] <seb128> jdub: yep, why ?
[01:55] <jdub> thom: what are the chances of getting... pango patches for interesting script (indic, arabic) love; either industrial or the other gtk-like theme (which uses icon themes directly?); gnome native filechooser and printing patches?
[01:55] <jdub> seb128: seen nielsen's patches?
[01:56] <seb128> jdub: yep, waiting for alex's comments since the patch is not trivial :)
[01:56] <jdub> cool
[01:56] <seb128> jdub: make me remember than I've a patch for libsmbclient to upload
[01:56] <jdub> sweet ;)
[01:57] <seb128> (patch from the previous work from nielsen for the smb authentification)
[01:58] <seb128> BTW has somebody tested smb with the current gnomevfs ? the authentification patch is already in and should improve things
[02:00] <jdub> i'll have a play here, kind of a boring network though ;)
[03:14] <thom> jdub: pango patches are in, just need turning on; I'll look at marco's patches for gtk-icon-theme love; firefox has the gnome filechooser dunnit? (don't know about printing, got a url?)
[03:14] <jdub> thom: elite!
[03:14] <jdub> firefox doesn't have the gnome filechooser without the fedora/novell patches
[03:15] <jdub> i think you'll find the printing patches in fedora, too
[03:15] <thom> oh, no, so it doesn't
[03:15] <thom> right, will review those
[03:16] <thom> (i think gtk-icon-theme support is more useful than garret's industrial theme, right?)
[03:17] <jdub> thom: (i was thinking the same thing)
[03:17] <jdub> thom: (but i haven't seen it in action)
[03:27] <ogra> gah....warning: implicit declaration of function `strndup'
[03:27] <ogra> how does one declare a function not implicit ?
[03:28] <azeem> you #include the correct header file
[03:28] <azeem> man strndup should tell you which
[03:29] <thom> ogra: also, strndup isn't portable, it's a gnu extension
[03:30] <azeem> that's what gnulib is for, I guess
[03:30] <ogra> thom: its just for my ubuntu lockscreen hack, i doubt it will get used anywhere else....so nongnu wont be a prob
[03:30] <smurfix> azeem: ? it's in glibc
[03:30] <thom> ah, fair enough
[03:31] <azeem> smurfix: or that
[03:31] <thom> ogra: anyway, string.h and #define _GNU_SOURCE
[03:31] <jbailey> smurfix: Portability, good. =)
[03:31] <smurfix> thom: the other way round, actually ;-)
[03:31] <ogra> great, thanks :-D
[03:32] <azeem> smurfix: it was my understanding that gnulib includes the gnu extensions so you can have them on non-glibc systems
[03:32] <mjg59> Argh.
[03:32] <mjg59> There's no real chance of there being ACPI smart battery support integrated into the kernel before Hoary
[03:33] <mjg59> Which isn't an issue in itself - we can add it with a patch
[03:33] <mjg59> But the smart battery code presents different information in a different place to the control method battery code
[03:33] <thom> jbailey: i'm planning to start scribbling about server team stuff monday or so; today is building furniture day
[03:33] <mjg59> So the battery status app would have to be updated
[03:33] <mjg59> Opinions?
[03:33] <thom> mjg59: "Argh." summed it up quite nicely
[03:33] <smurfix> azeem: only for non-glibc systems; on Linux it doesn' make sense to duplicate what's already in glibc
[03:34] <azeem> smurfix: eh, sure
[03:34] <azeem> thom was talking about portability, though
[03:34] <jbailey> azeem: That's the general idea.  You put in configure hackery so that it uses glibc when possible.
[03:34] <jbailey> thom: a'ight.  It was mostly the, "I'd like to be involved in this, I think I had alot to add"...
[03:35] <mjg59> thom: It should be a simple matter of coding
[03:35] <thom> mjg59: seriously, though, are the benefits of smart battery support worthwhile enough to do this before hoary?
[03:35] <mjg59> If we do it, Acer owners get battery status. If we don't, they don't.
[03:35] <thom> mjg59: ... the "simple matter of coding" list is getting quite long ;-)
[03:35] <thom> jbailey: nod
[03:36] <mjg59> Ha. No, it's just going to be populating some structs in gnome-battery-applet
[03:36] <jbailey> thom: In which timezone are you?
[03:36] <mjg59> Ooh, rock
[03:36] <thom> jbailey: GMT
[03:36] <mjg59> HAL CVS has ACPI/PMU support
[03:37] <jdub> oooh
[03:37] <mjg59> Shame about the lack of APM, but still
[03:37] <jdub> SHINY!
[03:37] <thom> mjg59: oh, it landed? sweet!
[03:37] <sjoerd> mjg59: no it has not
[03:37] <fabbione> we should rename hoary to hoacpiry
[03:38] <fabbione> we more acpi support than any distro out there
[03:38] <jdub> fabbione: hnoapicoary
[03:38] <fabbione> apic != acpi :)
[03:38] <jdub> but it's the universal solution :)
[03:39] <mjg59> There's also been some progress on the Thinkpad excessive power draw stuff
[03:39] <fabbione> isn't apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller or something like that?
[03:39] <mjg59> fabbione: Yup
[03:40] <mjg59> noapic shouldn't be necessary on post-2.6.8 in general - the kernel no longer turns it on unless the BIOS did
[03:40] <jdub> mjg59: rawk,
[03:40] <jdub> s/,/./
[03:40] <sjoerd> mjg59: apm stuff in hal should be easy though
[03:40] <fabbione> mjg59: oh.. well it's an option we can fry away our configs you know :-)
[03:40] <no0tic> hi
[03:40] <mjg59> sjoerd: Yeah
[03:40] <fabbione> mjg59: anyway.. next kernel new dri no ABI change ;)
[03:40] <mjg59> fabbione: Fucking rock
[03:41] <fabbione> mjg59: it was easy..
[03:41] <fabbione> just a 2 lines change to revert the 4layer memory mm
[03:42] <no0tic> thunderbird italian localization is stuck at version 0.9.99, and won't install with thunderbird 1.0
[03:42] <no0tic> is help needed for translating?
[03:42] <seb128> lamont: here ?
[03:49] <mjg59> thom: We should probably post that PM stuff to -devel and get some feedback
[04:07] <thom> mjg59: indeed
[04:07] <thom> Mithrandir: "gosh"
[04:10] <pitti> Hi abelli!
[04:10] <pitti> abelli: is your kernel happy now?
[04:11] <abelli> actually im on the -2 now..
[04:11] <abelli> ...CIAOOOO pitti
[04:12] <abelli> but it still have some problems with the frame buffer
[04:12] <abelli> the wifi, is ok now
[04:12] <pitti> abelli: me too, but I have no idea how to fix it
[04:12] <abelli> and im "spreading your word"
[04:13] <abelli> ive asked how to do it... to the consolle project...
[04:13] <pitti> abelli: however, I hope to finish the porting to the current hoary kernel soon
[04:13] <abelli> pitti: i hope someday ill be able to help you... :)
[04:13] <abelli> s/ill/to
[04:15] <mjg59> Argle.
[04:15] <mjg59> So, we want Thinkpads to suspend without consuming large amounts of power, right?
[04:16] <abelli> why not?
[04:16] <abelli> :)
[04:21] <mjg59> Option 1: Fix radeonfb and use it by default on Thinkpads with Radeons
[04:21] <mjg59> (downside: arse to get the backlight back on afterwards)
[04:22] <mjg59> Option 2: Write small module to do Radeon power management
[04:22] <mjg59> (downside: makes it hard for people to use radeonfb)
[04:34] <mjg59> Hrm. I probably need to talk to benh.
[04:39] <daniels> mjg59: i like #2
[04:45] <mjg59> daniels: Ok. Easiest way of doing this is to have a module that binds to the radeon PCI ids and has stub PCI suspend/resume routines to set the device to D3
[04:45] <mjg59> Then we just have to try to reboot it on resume
[04:45] <mjg59> But I need to speak to benh to find out if that's sufficient
[04:48] <daniels> it sounds pretty sensible to me
[04:48] <daniels> but then again, I am not benh, so it may be completely wack :)
[04:48] <daniels> i'll tell you one thing that isn't, though -- bed
[04:53] <dholbach> re
[04:53] <ogra> hi :)
[05:02] <jdub> mjg59: so you reckon i can suspend-to-ram my desktop? :)
[05:02] <mjg59> jdub: It's worth a go
[05:02] <mjg59> Hmm. I should really register for LCA
[05:02] <jdub> what's the manual way of kicking suspend-to-ram?
[05:03] <mjg59> If you don't have a sleep button, then try sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[05:03] <jdub> ok, will try
[05:03] <no0tic> fglrx keeps breaking resume?
[05:03] <jdub> going to be regardless though
[05:04] <jdub> mjg59: oh, interaction with nvidia driver?
[05:04] <mjg59> Likely to suck
[05:04] <jdub> heh
[05:04] <jdub> here goes
[05:04] <jdub> night
[05:04] <mjg59> no0tic: fglrx stands no real chance whatsoever across suspend/resume
[05:05] <jdub> hrm
[05:05] <jdub> doesn't seem to do anything
[05:05] <mjg59> Anything in demsg?
[05:05] <jdub> nup
[05:06] <jdub> just an old usb disconnect message
[05:06] <mjg59> Interesting.
[05:06] <mjg59> Can you edit /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and add set -x just before it starts running commands?
[05:06] <jdub> oh
[05:06] <jdub> hold on
[05:06] <jdub> heh
[05:06] <jdub> # Uncomment the next line to enable ACPI suspend to RAM
[05:06] <jdub> #ACPI_SLEEP=true
[05:06] <jdub> ^ important point
[05:07] <jdub> night :-)
[05:07] <mjg59> Haha
[05:09] <jdub> didn't work
[05:09] <dholbach> oh this is funny: evolution-data-server talks a bit in dmesg too: evolution-data-[8358]  trap divide error rip:2a9555e6cd rsp:7fbffff340 error:0
[05:09] <mjg59> jdub: Failure mode?
[05:09] <jdub> didn't even get usb key/mouse or network love when it came up
[05:09] <jdub> let alone video
[05:10] <mjg59> Oh, it suspended but didn't resume?
[05:10] <jdub> yeah
[05:10] <mjg59> Right. Hrm.
[05:11] <jdub> (both suspend and hibernate work very nicely in windows, if that's an even remotely useful datapoint)
[05:12] <mjg59> Haha
[05:12] <mjg59> Hibernation ought to work
[05:14] <no0tic> mjg59: hibernation works also here with radeon (acer aspire 1350 series)
[05:14] <no0tic> brb
[05:21] <no0tic> re
[05:21] <no0tic> can fglrx & radeon coexist?
[05:22] <no0tic> can I create 2 different config files? one for fglrx & one for radeon and switch from one to the other restarting X?
[05:27] <lamont> seb128: back on much later today
[05:39] <thom> seb128: do you want to leave firefox till monday and let me do it?
[05:39] <pitti> lamont: Hi! Out of interest, to the buildds already strip?
[05:39] <pitti> lamont: s/to/do/
[05:40] <ogra> pitti... got a sec for PM ?
[05:40] <pitti> ogra: PM?
[05:58] <Mithrandir> rock!  svn seems to be b0rken on amd64.
[05:59] <Mithrandir> at least libapache-mod-svn
[06:49] <seb128> thom: I've it ready to upload here, I just had to go and wanted to run a quick diff with the previous version to be sure
[07:31] <Riddell> lamont: any idea what the status of kdebindings is on ia64?  there no log and other platforms succeeded an hour ago
[07:33] <azeem> man, you Ubuntu guys are spoilt
[07:34] <ogra> azeem: because we have a lamont and elmo ?
[08:10] <HostingGeek|ZZZ> sry about nick changes just registering a few
[08:21] <mdz> jdub: you have received the title of "all-familiar Ubuntu man"
[08:41] <robertj_> heya all, question: should I file a bug about the 30 boot fsck
[08:42] <robertj_> I mean, it's really no fun for laptops
[08:42] <ogra> robertj_: who reboots his laptop if suspend works ?
[08:43] <robertj_> ogra: well, it's still bad, and mine still does'nt work
[08:43] <robertj_> I thought it did
[08:43] <thom> robertj_: current fsck won't run when you're on battery
[08:43] <thom> so it's not an issue
[08:43] <robertj_> thom: maybe something didn't upgrade right?
[08:43] <ogra> robertj_: mine neither (because i use nvidia drivers)
[08:43] <robertj_> i dist-upgraded less than a week agp
[08:43] <robertj_> err ago
[08:43] <robertj_> ogra: radeon here
[08:44] <ogra> robertj_: binary drivers ?
[08:44] <robertj_> ogra: whatever ships by default
[08:44] <robertj_> but I do have multiverse in so ...
[08:44] <ogra> robertj_: ah, so the free ones :)
[08:45] <robertj_> anything I should check to see what's causing the problem?
[08:45] <ogra> robertj_: with the binary ones its unlikely that susped will work :(
[08:45] <thom> """
[08:45] <thom>   * E2fsck will try to avoid doing a forced filesystem chcek if a system
[08:45] <thom>     is running on batteries according to APM or ACPI.  (Closes: #205177)
[08:45] <thom> """
[08:46] <thom> From an e2fsprogs upload in November
[08:46] <ogra> robertj_: you can adjus it
[08:46] <ogra> adjust even
[08:46] <robertj_> ogra: adjust what?
[08:46] <robertj_> but it did fsck on battery
[08:47] <ogra> robertj_: the 30 reboot fsck
[08:47] <robertj_> yeah
[08:47] <robertj_> G3 ibook
[08:47] <robertj_> i'd prefer my desktop machine not fsck either
[08:47] <ogra> robertj_: man tune2fs
[08:47] <thom> robertj_: it's possible that we need to load modules or do something smarter, but the code is there
[08:47] <robertj_> ogra: I just mean by default
[08:48] <ogra> robertj_: even if its annoyin to get a check after 30 mounts, i prefer a consisten fs ;)
[08:48] <ogra> consistent...
[08:48] <robertj_> ogra: why is your fs getting corrupted?
[08:48] <ogra> robertj_: no, but a check more cant be bad :)
[08:48] <robertj_> yes it can
[08:49] <robertj_> say you are in a hurry
[08:49] <robertj_> then waiting would be bad
[08:49] <thom> robertj_: i don't think it's something we want to turn off by default
[08:49] <ogra> robertj_: i like the data on my hd, so getting told that everything is in order is just fine
[08:49] <thom> we'd love to see it be interuptible, patches accepted
[08:50] <robertj_> thom: I support a 100 mac users and they have never had any problems with file integrity on OS X except for one issue I heard about where after an upgrade ever drive from a particular manufacturer got corrupted
[08:50] <robertj_> thom: on the disk applet it would be a really nice option
[08:50] <robertj_> check here to check the disk panel every 30 boots/10 days/whatever
[08:51] <robertj_> check here to mail this address when SMART indicates a problem
[08:51] <ogra> SMART should get a dbus message that pops up automatically.....
[08:52] <ogra> as a full disk should have
[08:53] <robertj_> ogra: yeah
[08:53] <thom> robertj_: sounds great, looking forward to the patch ;-)
[08:53] <robertj_> hehe
[08:53] <ogra> *g*
[08:53] <thom> robertj_: seriously though, i've seen just about every filesystem blow up, journalled or not (HFS+ with journal included)
[08:53] <robertj_> "Your disk is about to die.
[08:53] <ogra> robertj_: i would implement these two for hoary, but i'm busy with something else....
[08:54] <ogra> robertj_: your disk is about 95% full !!
[08:54] <robertj_> thom: seen stable machines have stuff eaten for lunch?
[08:54] <ogra> robertj_: like irix does :)
[08:55] <robertj_> ogra: irix has implemented dbus ;)
[08:55] <ogra> robertj_: yup :)
[08:55] <robertj_> home users just don't want to wait though
[08:55] <ogra> robertj_: and inotify ...and fam....thats where they come from....
[08:56] <robertj_> if the file system really does go nutz, that's the problem, not the failure to check
[08:56] <ogra> robertj_: so get aboard and implement it for them: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[08:56] <ogra> ;)
[08:57] <robertj_> ogra: i'm sure I actually could manage to hack out the fsck checks by default, but if everyone doesn't agree it would be rather pointless
[08:57] <ogra> robertj_:fsck isnt universe :-P
[08:57] <thom> robertj_: the thing to do, is to ensure that fsck runs in the foreground and make sure it copes with being ctrl+c'd
[08:58] <robertj_> thom: it does cope well for servers
[08:58] <robertj_> but not for desktops, but what's right for desktops aint for servers
[08:58] <thom> robertj_: eh?
[08:58] <thom> robertj_: can you ctrl+c fsck while it's running in init currently?
[08:58] <ogra> thom: shouldnt be a prob since it is able to cope with ctrl-c if being run manually
[08:59] <robertj_> thom: yes, but it wont boot
[08:59] <robertj_> it drops you to a single user console
[08:59] <thom> exactly
[08:59] <robertj_> ro
[08:59] <thom> robertj_: make it not do that, or make it optional
[08:59] <robertj_> I mean, so it works, but it's not the "working" my Dad would consider working
[08:59] <thom> we're on the same page
[08:59] <robertj_> yeah
[09:00] <robertj_> thom: oh btw, usb keyboards dont work at that point
[09:00] <robertj_> unless they are in legacy mode
[09:00] <ogra> robertj_: hmm, does your dad know about ctrl-c ?
[09:00] <robertj_> so if you wanted to opt out, you couldn't
[09:00] <thom> that would seem like the optimal solution...
[09:00] <thom> meh
[09:01] <robertj_> thom: why should the fs be randomly corrupted though unless it's a hardware problem? And if it's a hardware problem, wouldn't bringing the machine down for a reboot  be the wrong choice of action
[09:02] <robertj_> I'm not an expert here by an means
[09:02] <robertj_> but you got to spin the drive around sometime to get the data off unless you have a _lot_ of money and time
[09:03] <thom> robertj_: the timed checks just help to ensure correctness; what's the old saw about "an apple a day keeps the doctor away"?
[09:03] <ogra> heh
[09:03] <robertj_> it's annoying and probably not that helpful to 99% of people
[09:03] <thom> i think most people don't actually care, tbh
[09:04] <thom> it's not like it actually takes that long on modern hardware
[09:04] <ogra> robertj_: its not more annoying then a virus check once a week (over all files on your 80Gig disk)
[09:04] <robertj_> just remember that anyone supporting any kind of non-technical user will get called in to look anytime usersplash boot is interrupted
[09:05] <robertj_> and virus check runs at night or what not
[09:05] <robertj_> but most people don't have a reboot in cron
[09:11] <robertj_> ogra: I honesty can stay I never see my machines to virus checks
[09:11] <robertj_> f-secure is a great product for what it does
[09:12] <ogra> robertj_: yup, but my GF wants to see directly if viruses are detected, so the check is run on saturday evening every weeeeek
[09:13] <Riddell> groovy, kdebindings compiled
[09:13] <Riddell> lamont: could you put back amarok on amd64?  or will it do that itself?
[09:13] <robertj_> ogra: well it prompts you if it finds it
[09:14] <robertj_> when is usually when you try to open the attachment
[09:14] <sivang> pitti: ping
[09:14] <robertj_> finding this a week later is not the best way to do it
[09:14] <ogra> robertj_: sh likes to watchit work ;)
[09:14] <pitti> sivang: pong
[09:14] <ogra> she even
[09:14] <robertj_> but anyway, I think schedule fscks on by default just aren't right for most desktop users
[09:14] <ogra> sivang: i have looked at the server page....its ok this far....
[09:15] <sivang> pitti: Just seen the post about the locales depends for the language packs, maybe there is a possibility of of asking the user when installing the pack if he wants his locale modified and created?
[09:15] <robertj_> anything that can be reasonably done after bootup is good, but by default anything that could disrupt their non-gui experience is a bad thing if it can be at all avoided
[09:16] <ogra> ARGH
[09:16] <pitti> sivang: nooooooo
[09:16] <pitti> sivang: this is not what debconf is for
[09:16] <ogra> did anybody ever check this ubuntuguide ?
[09:16] <pitti> sivang: the locale can be created without asking
[09:16] <ogra> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:16] <pitti> sivang: but the default locale should not be modified
[09:17] <pitti> sivang: you can easily set it in gdm, or if you want, with dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:17] <sivang> pitti:I know that, but I was thinking maybe there is an automatic way to do this for the "uninitiated" localized distros..;-)
[09:18] <pitti> sivang: but you can already set the default locale in the installer
[09:18] <sivang> pitti: ah ok, then, I would love you to show me this - I'd like to create a proof of concept dervied livecd/installer cd
[09:18] <sivang> pitti: (localized)
[09:19] <ogra> OMG, anybody following this guide will totally f**ck his system with marillat stable unstable and testing anebled at the same time and the backports in...
[09:19] <pitti> sivang: but AFAIK the live cd also uses some degenerated sort of installer, right?
[09:19] <ogra> gah
[09:19] <sivang> pitti: yes ;-)
[09:20] <pitti> sivang: so this installer should ask for the default locale
[09:20] <pitti> sivang: (which is to be put into /etc/environment)
[09:20] <sivang> pitti: hmm, ok, when the kbd selector is done, this is all redundent. You are right!
[09:20] <sivang> pitti: (new kbd selector smurifx is working on would guess the person's locale)
[09:20] <pitti> sivang: s/ask/determine and set it/
[09:21] <sivang> pitti: yep, ok, it's all matter of waiting for this to be ready, cool enough. I shall respond to that person post then, explainig this. He is very keen to have this added to the language pack.
[09:22] <pitti> sivang: as I already replied, I think it makes perfect sense to generate the relevant locales in the langpacks
[09:25] <sivang> pitti: so you're saying to move the locale generation from the installer to the langpack based on the info that the intelligent kbd chooser put in /etc/evnironment?
[09:25] <sivang> pitti: (thus eliminating the need for dpkg-reconfigure locales manually)
[09:26] <pitti> sivang: hmm, not quite. /etc/environment handles the default, and this should be set in the installer
[09:27] <pitti> sivang: and this default can be changed with e. g. dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:27] <pitti> sivang: and I am still not sure about who does the locale generations; eventually it might get thrown out of the "locales" package
[09:34] <sivang> pitti: ok, I just understood from your last email that you don't think that the locale generation should happen on installation of the langpacks..
[09:35] <sivang> pitti: I understood wrongly then ;-)
[09:43] <abelli> ciao, buona notte, im off
[09:43] <pitti> abelli: cu
[09:44] <abelli> ciao pitti
[10:09] <sivang> eh, quite sunday evening in u-d..;-)
[10:10] <ajmitch> or monday morning for us unfortunates
[10:11] <ogra> ogra land is at 22:10
[10:18] <sivang> sivang land is 23:18
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> bobland is 0818
[10:20] <HrdwrBoB> haha yes but I have to go to work, where I have to deal with people, before midday! it's inhumane
[10:20] <ogra> hehe
[10:20] <ogra> but pay your rent, doesnt it ?
[10:20] <ogra> pays even
[10:20] <HrdwrBoB> yes, that it does :)
[10:22] <HrdwrBoB> ah, I don't hate mine so much, though I will probably have to leave (I'm a contractor now, when the job goes fulltime the salary will go down >25%)
[10:22] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: btw, why are you not a MOTU yet ? you do a lot for ubuntu ....
[10:23] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: yeah, consuling pays :)
[10:24] <HrdwrBoB> I dunno I just hang around and help people with stuff
[10:24] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[10:24] <ogra> go on, join in :)
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> I'll see about it later :) in the meantime, my tram is waiting
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> catch you later
[10:26] <ogra> ciao
[10:27] <srbaker> so i want to take evolution, rip out the mail client, and make it use rubrica for address book.
[10:27] <srbaker> anyone know the evo code well enough to know whether or not that's feasable?
[10:28] <srbaker> balsa is a little uh, strange
[10:28] <Mithrandir> srbaker: just replace the addressbook backend, very much feasible.
[10:29] <srbaker> hrm.
[10:29] <Mithrandir> srbaker: bit of work, though.  And you want to do it in evolution-data-server, naturally
[10:29] <Mithrandir> and you want to add a new type, not remove the current one
[10:29] <srbaker> well, i hate evolution.  but i think it would make a good mail client ot start from
[10:38] <srbaker> i quit using evo in favour of balsa.  and balsa is quirky, too
[10:39] <srbaker> are there any Free groupware servers that evo can talk to?
[11:05] <thom> hrm, http://www.clearairturbulence.org/new-ikea-stuff/img002.jpeg.html ; it's not a bad collection
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> thom: that's very similar to http://hrdwrbob.net/gallery/table/p1010028 this one
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> though that's My Fiances desk, so she's only got one machine
[11:10] <thom> HrdwrBoB: heh
[11:11] <thom> i'm kinda scared that i only had a laptop 12 months ago
[11:11] <kent> thom, is that two Billy's? the ones you have the books in.  I have two of them myself (they are called Billy at Ikea in sweden)
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> the desk is jerker
[11:12] <thom> kent: exactly those, yes
[11:12] <thom> HrdwrBoB: yeah
[11:21] <mjg59> thom: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/junk.jpg
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> haha that desk looks more like mine
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> large piles of detritus
[11:26] <mjg59> That's /after/ I cleaned everything
[11:29] <thom> mjg59: heh
[11:29] <thom> my a500 is out of shot
[11:29] <kent> mjg59, that bottle of wine makes it soo romantic ;)
[11:29] <thom> i've not worked out where to put it
[11:29] <thom> (pa-risc, not amoeba)
[11:31] <mjg59> kent: What you can only just make out is the bottle of vintage port behind the keyboard...
[11:33] <kent> vintage port?
[11:33] <mjg59> Yeah
[11:34] <kent> it is some kind of red wine right? i didn't understod if you corrected me for being wrong about the wine or not :(
[11:35] <mjg59> Oh, sorry - there's a bottle of wine next to the speaker, and underneath that there's a rather nice bottle of vintage port
[11:40] <kent> mjg59, i dont realy fancy red wine.  I have a bottle of "Franconia Silvaner 2002"  in my room. It tasted very good, :)
[11:41] <sivang> mjg59: do you recall the module you told me need to be added to the Xorg.conf for nv driver to work with higher reolutions then 640x480? (now that susped works with nv)
[11:41] <mjg59> sivang: Uh, not off-hand I'm afraid
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> ahh, red wine is fine .. white wine makes me stop breating (allergic), but mead is excellent
[11:42] <mjg59> The problem is probably that you've got missing modelines in your Xorg.conf
[11:42] <sivang> mjg59: yes, so did daniel commented about this
[11:42] <mjg59> Best bet is to wait for daniels to show up, he's been working on this
[11:42] <sivang> mjg59: ok, cool.


[14:36] <cmaloney> morning
[14:37] <rick_h> party
[14:45] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[14:45] <cmaloney> BTW: I hadn't seen that kickstarter for the roadie 2. That looks really cool
[14:46] <cmaloney> would have been great for my high-school band "Blackat Chiquita"
[14:46] <cmaloney> seemed the guitarist was constantly tuning his guitar
[14:47] <rick_h> yea, it seemed like a cool project. kickstarter, where one day you get in the mail something you forgot you thought was neat the year before ;)
[14:48] <rick_h> the day is ok, instead of monday after holiday it's the tues after wheeee
[14:48] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:48] <cmaloney> Took a day off to recouperate?
[14:48] <rick_h> naw, recoup day was sunday
[14:49] <cmaloney> ah
[14:49] <rick_h> and spent that mountain biking out by AA, wooo
[14:49] <cmaloney> nice!
[14:49] <cmaloney> Your leg treating you better now?
[14:50] <rick_h> yea, it's getting there. Still can't do everything and have issues but hey, I walked miles and miles at 4 theme parks last week
[14:50] <rick_h> so it's functional
[14:50] <rick_h> ty motrin!
[14:50] <cmaloney> nice!
[14:51] <cmaloney> I didn't even connect that, but yeah, that's awesome
[14:51] <rick_h> yea, still can't go bowling or do a bunch of stuff but can have some fun between now and april when all the restrictions come off
[15:19] <cmaloney> nice
[15:20] <jrwren> where out by AA?
[15:21] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I rode with @bigmaninjapan sunday out at the dte foundation trails
[15:21] <rick_h> where he crushed me lol
[15:21] <jrwren> yeah, I'm afraid to ride with him. no way I can keep up.
[15:21] <jrwren> i'm a very slow rider.
[15:22] <rick_h> I kept up on the downhills fine
[15:22] <rick_h> but the uphills he was gone
[15:22] <jrwren> i can't keep up on flat.
[15:22] <rick_h> but was still fun. I helped him regulate his breaks :P
[15:30] <cmaloney> heh
[21:26] <Scary_Guy> what's a good DRM free all in one printer?  my google-fu is failing me
[21:34] <cmaloney> DRM-free?
[21:36] <Scary_Guy> as in not crippled and annoying
[21:38] <cmaloney> Build your own ? :)
[21:40] <Scary_Guy> I meant a good printer
[21:41] <cmaloney> Right, but "DRM-free" is kind of tricky
[21:41] <cmaloney> since they all have that dippy yellow-dot marking (color printers)
[21:41] <cmaloney> Honestly I'd get a Brother all-in-one laser printer
[21:41] <cmaloney> We have the MFC-8480DN
[21:42] <cmaloney> It's been pretty solid. I've even replaced the fuser on it
[21:42] <cmaloney> Only downside is the OS that's baked in to the printer is a little daffy
[21:42] <Scary_Guy> and it's also huge
[21:42] <Scary_Guy> I mean huge for Brother printers that is
[21:43]  * rick_h still rocks the old 1320N laserjet
[21:43] <Scary_Guy> We've got a HL-L2380DW in the basement, Brother is a great company in general it seems
[21:44] <jrwren> I have that exact model and I like it.
[21:45] <Scary_Guy> but I'm dead set on something without DRM.  tracking dots are just annoying and useless if you get it second hand
[21:52] <jrwren> i don't even know what DRM means in a printer.
[22:02] <brousch> non-generic inks
[22:03] <jrwren> oh! the replacement carts?  ugh.
[22:41] <Scary_Guy> well that and being able to print B/W when color is out is a nice feature too
[23:44] <cmaloney> just get a laser printer.
[23:44] <cmaloney> screw color
[23:45] <cmaloney> Though Inkjets have gotten much better in speed
[23:45] <cmaloney> but if you do any serious printing you'll blow through an ink cartridge worse than ammo at a shooting range
[23:46] <greg-g> +1 to laser. This old trusty Brother I got second hand is doing great.
[23:46] <greg-g> laser b+w, that is
[23:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, color laser is still pretty expensive
[23:47] <cmaloney> and the carts don't have the capacity they should


[00:00] <hggdh> JohnNapster_: I am not sure, but I think it related to something called PAM (not entering in much technical detail)
[00:00] <hggdh> I will try to reproduce, and then we will know better
[00:01] <hggdh> sudo-related?
[01:15] <JohnNapster_> hggdh: still here?
[01:15] <JohnNapster_> i was watching Top Gear on the telly
[01:16] <JohnNapster_> anyway... i don't know whether this issue is sudo related
[01:19] <JohnNapster_> when you will install Ubuntu 11.10 in your machine... create an account and set a password for it... once installed, go to User Accounts...
[01:20] <JohnNapster_> and in there, change the password of your account to None
[01:22] <JohnNapster_> restart your machine and now observe that you will not be able to login to that account of yours
[01:22] <hggdh> JohnNapster_: I will try that -- but tomorrow, today I am due a double pure malt
[01:22] <JohnNapster_> okay
[01:22] <hggdh> and thank you for the steps to reproduce
[01:23]  * hggdh loves top gear
[01:23] <JohnNapster_> if you will be able to reproduce the bug, please file a bug report
[01:23]  * JohnNapster_ too :)
[01:23] <hggdh> will do. I do not like the effect this has
[01:23] <JohnNapster_> it's a nasty bug
[01:23] <hggdh> but I was watching american idol, SO required me to tonight ;-)
[01:24] <JohnNapster_> oh that :P
[01:24] <hggdh> it is, even if I think admin account should never be without a password, this break bad
[01:24] <JohnNapster_> you see?
[01:24] <JohnNapster_> it's a regression bug
[01:25] <JohnNapster_> you'll notice it in 11.04 as well
[01:25] <hggdh> not yet, tomorrow, I was behind on some due tasks. I do apologise for the delay, but I will get there
[01:25] <JohnNapster_> ihope this gets fixed before 12.04 final
[01:25] <hggdh> yes, I thought it looked like a regression. I do not remember hearing about this before
[01:25] <hggdh> me too
[01:26] <JohnNapster_> anyway, i'm off to bed (2.26 a.m. here)
[01:26] <hggdh> heh. Cheers, sir
[01:26] <JohnNapster_> that's because no one ever changed his password to blank :P
[01:26] <hggdh> oh, not a lot of people do that
[01:26] <hggdh> s/not//
[01:27] <JohnNapster_> maybe not on admin group accounts ;)
[01:27] <hggdh> this is commonish
[01:27] <JohnNapster_> it is?
[01:27] <JohnNapster_> why wasn't it ever reported?
[01:27] <hggdh> even on admin accounts -- most folks that install Ubuntu install it on the personal box
[01:27] <hggdh> so only one account, ergo admion
[01:27] <hggdh> admin, even
[01:27] <JohnNapster_> hmm
[01:28] <hggdh> but I am mostly a console guy, so I do not pay too much attention to the graphic piece
[01:29] <JohnNapster_> can you try making the password be blank and also make the Automatic Login be True and then another time be False (still having the blank password)
[01:29] <JohnNapster_> please play a bit with this
[01:29] <hggdh> you mena a null password
[01:29] <hggdh> I will
[01:29] <JohnNapster_> yup
[01:30] <hggdh> dammit, the wisky is already working
[01:30] <hggdh> cannot tupe for me life
[01:30] <hggdh> ah rats
[01:30] <JohnNapster_> you're irish i presume?
[01:31] <JohnNapster_> i nice lad :)
[01:31] <hggdh> no, not at all. Just the wisky (or wiskey)
[01:31] <hggdh> heh
[01:31] <JohnNapster_> now that whiskey is running in your vains, you're half irish :D
[01:32] <hggdh> most certainly. Although, to be honest, Ireland sounds like a nice place
[01:32] <hggdh> but the language, oh the language...
[01:33] <JohnNapster_> well, it's quite nice
[01:33] <JohnNapster_> i hear it on the tell
[01:33] <JohnNapster_> telly
[01:33] <hggdh> heh
[01:33] <JohnNapster_> i find it amusing :)
[01:34] <hggdh> got to see the bloody show again, beatuful JLo is talking
[01:34] <JohnNapster_> the american idol?
[01:35] <JohnNapster_> anyway, please test that nasty bug tommorow
[01:35] <JohnNapster_> i really am going now :)
[01:35] <JohnNapster_> bye, talk to you later
[01:36]  * JohnNapster_ thinks JLo is so fuc*ing hot :P
[05:38] <pangolin> Hey folks, I'm not sure if I am in the right place but here goes. I keep getting assigned to some Lubuntu bugs and I have no idea why that would be, how do I figure out why this is happening?
[08:45] <mitya57> can anybody please triage & raise importance of bug 885730?
[08:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 885730 in gnome-settings-daemon "keyboard layout indicator reacts incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885730
[08:45] <mitya57> as someone said, "I survived Unity migration, but not this "tiny" bug" :)
[09:13] <brendand> mitya57, can you work me through the steps to reproduce? i can't seem to here
[09:14] <mitya57> brednand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/885730/comments/4
[09:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 885730 in gnome-settings-daemon "keyboard layout indicator reacts incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:14] <brendand> mitya57, i have two keyboard layouts, en (uk) and en (us)
[09:14] <brendand> mitya57, yeah i saw that - but they don't reproduce the bug
[09:14] <mitya57> this should still work for you...
[09:14] <mitya57> strange...
[09:14] <brendand> right now it's on EN
[09:15] <mitya57> which is the default one for you (i.e. actually used for new windows?)
[09:15] <brendand> EN
[09:15] <brendand> i mean UK
[09:16] <mitya57> so can you change the layout of your chat window to US, and open
[09:16] <mitya57> a gedit window, and see if the indicator changes?
[09:16] <mitya57> (it should change to uk if it's used for new windows as you said)
[09:17] <brendand> that's not the bug i'm reading though
[09:17] <brendand> if that's the bug then you guys are way overcomplicating the description
[09:17] <mitya57> I agree
[09:18] <mitya57> but from the description: "mappings which is used is often not the same as indicator shows"
[09:18] <mitya57> but still,  did you manage to reproduce it?
[09:18] <brendand> but the mapping used is always what the indicator shows for me
[09:19] <brendand> and i had 'use the same mapping for new windows'
[09:19] <mitya57> happy to hear that you're not affected by this :)
[09:20] <mitya57> anyway, seb128 said that charles will look at it.
[09:21] <seb128> brendand, mitya57: that bug is confusing
[09:21] <seb128> do you guys use a by win layout?
[09:21] <brendand> seb128, it's deeply confusing
[09:21] <brendand> seb128, i can't reproduce it because i have no idea what they're saying
[09:22] <seb128> well I understand what they say
[09:22] <mitya57> my settings are:
[09:22] <brendand> seb128, i'm not affected, just a traiger trying to reproduce
[09:22] <mitya57> [x] per-window layouts
[09:22] <seb128> they say "in some cases the label indicating the current layout is not reflecting the right layout"
[09:22] <mitya57> [x] use default layout for new windows
[09:22] <seb128> mitya57, ok, I guess that's the issue
[09:22] <mitya57> seb128: that's true for me
[09:22] <seb128> default is "same layout for all"
[09:23] <seb128> which is what I use
[09:23] <seb128> the "per-win layout" concept by itself is confusing :p
[09:24] <mitya57> I had to enable it to workaround another bug that was in maverick long time ago...
[09:24] <brendand> seb128, for me the per-window aspect is broken in itself
[09:24] <brendand> seb128, if i follow the steps in comment 4 then when i open the terminal it is still set to 'other'
[12:26] <TLE> Hallo. I just got the following during a update of precise: http://paste.ubuntu.com/875964/ but I don't have kde-telepathy installed. What should I report that against?
[13:35] <JohnNapster> hggdh: hello, are you here?
[13:41] <hggdh> JohnNapster: yes, I am, sort of
[13:43] <JohnNapster> did you manage to file that bug report?
[13:46] <hggdh> no, not yet. But I will get it done today
[13:46] <JohnNapster> great
[19:47] <matthew-parlette> hey all, I'm looking at bug 951033, which seems to be the same as bug 870150, which says there is a fix committed in Ayatana Design, but I can't really find a link to this fix in that project. So my question is, should I just confirm the bug (I've experienced this too), or make it a duplicate?
[19:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951033 in unity "deleted files displayed in unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951033
[19:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 870150 in unity "Dash - files deleted by dragging and dropping the file from the Dash to the Trash are not removed from the Dash" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870150
[19:52] <bkerensa> matthew-parlette: If it is a duplicate (the bug described is the same then go ahead and mark in duplicate)
[19:55] <matthew-parlette> I was thinking that they are two methods of getting to the same error, so I wasn't sure. But thinking through it, it would make sense to make it a duplicate
[19:55] <matthew-parlette> Thanks for taking a look at it
[20:48] <zzecool> Whoever  have an AirPlay device  check this :  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/951120
[20:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951120 in pulseaudio "AirPlay - AirTunes (Airport Express) support stopped working on precise" [Undecided,New]
[22:00] <hjd> Good evening all. :) I think bug 659344 can be marked Triaged since it a) is easily reproducible b) logs are attached c) also reported in Debian.
[22:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 659344 in billard-gl "[Maverick] Billard-gl crashes when attempt to configure video" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659344
[22:13] <bdmurray> hjd: is the [Maverick] bit in the title necessary or accurate?
[22:18] <hjd> bdmurray: hm, that can probably be trimmed out. I was able to reproduce it in Precise, and since the package has the same version number I would expect all releases to be affected...
[22:19] <bdmurray> hjd: and do you have a thought on the importance?
[22:26] <hjd> bdmurray: I am not sure. It crashes, which is pretty severe, but it only seem to happen in this specific instance so I'm torn between Medium and Low...
[22:29] <bdmurray> I'm going to set it to Medium
[22:31] <hjd> thank you :)
[22:34] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Do you think it would be a good time to submit a control app or should I perhaps wait longer?
[22:34] <bdmurray> bkerensa: I haven't been following your work closely
[22:38]  * bdmurray does some stalking
[22:41] <bdmurray> hggdh: when you are going to fix your greasemonkey gmane follower?
[22:56] <bkerensa> bdmurray: ok well I submitted anyways :) thanks for your consideration and that of the rest of the team
[23:02] <hggdh> bdmurray: I did not even know it was broken...
[23:03] <hggdh> bdmurray: adding in the TODO
[23:04] <bdmurray> hggdh: heh I'll look at it again my javascript is getting a bit better
[23:05] <hggdh> bdmurray: no matter how bad it is, it will still be better than the GM script, it was my very first JS ever
[23:05] <hggdh> :-)
[23:05] <bkerensa> I will buy a beer for whomever fixes the Chrome Greasemonkey :) with Chrome having a majority share of the browser market and Adobe EOL'ing Flash for everything except Chrome it seems the way to go
[23:05] <bkerensa> :D
[23:13] <bdmurray> hggdh: mark it off your list ;-)
[23:14]  * hggdh rubbers it off
[23:14] <hggdh> bdmurray: that easy?
[23:14] <bdmurray> hggdh: yeah just a modification to replace on a string
[23:15] <hggdh> cool
[23:15] <bdmurray> beats me why I didn't fix it earlier


[14:59] <jawn-smith> o/
[14:59] <ginggs> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:01] <enr0n> o/
[15:01] <dbungert> o/
[15:01] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:01:42 UTC.  The chair is jawn-smith.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:02] <jawn-smith> #topic Lightning Round
[15:02] <jawn-smith> The status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-26-may-2022/28481/6
[15:02] <jawn-smith> Let's all take some time to read through it and ask questions
[15:02] <bdmurray> ginggs: Can we remove the r-bioc-biomart hint now?
[15:03] <ginggs> bdmurray: yes, it can go now
[15:03] <bdmurray> okay, I'll remove it
[15:03] <ginggs> thanks
[15:04] <bdmurray> waveform: your upgrade bug was a kernel issue?
[15:05] <waveform> bdmurray, yup
[15:06] <bdmurray> No further questions meeting leader
[15:06] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:06] <jawn-smith> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:07] <jawn-smith> bug 1975678
[15:07] <jawn-smith> Given that slyon tagged this let's go ahead and card it
[15:08] <jawn-smith> bug 1937110
[15:09] <jawn-smith> dbungert: do you think this is worth carding?
[15:09] <jawn-smith> you tagged it rls-kk
[15:09] <dbungert> jawn-smith: yea, I thought so
[15:10] <bdmurray> This seems to be blocking installs on some networks so I think we should take and it try to fix it by 22.04.1
[15:10] <jawn-smith> mclemenceau: care to do your lp-to-jira magic?
[15:10] <mclemenceau> yes no prob
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:10] <jawn-smith> bug 1968845
[15:11] <bdmurray> still no response so let's close it out
[15:12] <jawn-smith> likely a duplicate, so we'll close it
[15:12] <jawn-smith> bug 1973285
[15:13] <jawn-smith> waveform is working on it, so let's card it
[15:13] <jawn-smith> bug 1975667
[15:15] <jawn-smith> per discussion we've decided to SRU to jammy, which requires a card
[15:15] <jawn-smith> That's it for jj
[15:15] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:15] <jawn-smith> bug 1975667 has just been discussed
[15:15] <jawn-smith> bug 1975533
[15:16] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: you tagged this
[15:16] <bdmurray> Yeah, this is something we should sort out before impish goes EoL
[15:16] <jawn-smith> Okay, let's card it then
[15:16] <jawn-smith> thanks
[15:17] <bdmurray> Otherwise those people will be stranded on a gorilla island
[15:17] <jawn-smith> that's it for ii
[15:17] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:17] <jawn-smith> bug 1975678 has been carded already
[15:17] <jawn-smith> bug 1888347
[15:18]  * jawn-smith looks at the Debian bug report
[15:19] <bdmurray> I looked at the debian bug but it actually seems different
[15:19] <bdmurray> notice the word "similar" in the description
[15:19] <jawn-smith> ah I see
[15:19] <bdmurray> Having said that unmount before finished sounded bad
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Well, sounds pretty serious
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Should we set an Importance and then card it?
[15:20] <bdmurray> I'll set it to High
[15:20] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: thanks
[15:20] <bdmurray> Maybe somebody should look to see if it is fixed in > Focal
[15:21] <bdmurray> I'll volunteer
[15:21] <jawn-smith> Awesome, thanks bdmurray
[15:21] <jawn-smith> That's it for bugs then
[15:21] <jawn-smith> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:21] <jawn-smith> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:22] <jawn-smith> libevent vs mysql on i386
[15:22] <jawn-smith> seems to have been waveform
[15:22] <jawn-smith> it looks like a badpkg issue
[15:22] <jawn-smith> Have you investigated the badpkg to see if it will ever come back on i386?
[15:22] <waveform> no not yet
[15:23] <jawn-smith> Okay, that's still with waveform then
[15:23] <jawn-smith> dash
[15:23] <jawn-smith> there was some discussion last week about adding the debian-archive-keyring
[15:23] <jawn-smith> doko: dash was assigned to you, have you investigated the keyring solution?
[15:24] <doko> no, not yet. I'll keep it
[15:24] <jawn-smith> doko: thanks!
[15:24] <jawn-smith> alright licensecheck's MIR is with schopin who is out today, skipping
[15:24] <jawn-smith> doko: is pillow still with you as well?
[15:24] <doko> yes
[15:25] <jawn-smith> ginggs: are you working on the sphinx/libunicode-escape-perl MIR/dependency issue?
[15:25] <ginggs> no, i believe schopin is looking with that along with some other perl MIRs
[15:25] <jawn-smith> Okay great, thanks
[15:26] <jawn-smith> libgpg-error is with slyon who is out
[15:26] <jawn-smith> pycurl is with ogayot who is out
[15:26] <doko> gdb just migrated
[15:26] <jawn-smith> oh, I pressed F5 and gdb is suddenly a candidate. Nice
[15:27] <jawn-smith> mutt needs a dependency investigation
[15:27] <jawn-smith> which was not assigned last week
[15:27] <doko> and/or a MIR
[15:28] <jawn-smith> correct, I just don't want to blindly suggest MIRs without ensuring they're needed
[15:28] <jawn-smith> I'll investigate mutt vs libgsasl7 and do the MIR if necessary
[15:28] <jawn-smith> Haven't done one in a while
[15:28] <doko>   * Replace cyrus-sasl with gsasl (Closes: #999672)
[15:28] <jawn-smith> rustc missing builds sounds like a schopin issue
[15:29] <jawn-smith> doko: thanks, will definitely look into that
[15:29] <jawn-smith> curl vs dgit I'm pretty sure just needs a retry, but I'll wait for the migration-reference test to finish first
[15:29] <doko> riscv64 only (rustc)
[15:30] <jawn-smith> curl vs pycurl. Any volunteers?
[15:30] <ginggs> i'll take it
[15:30] <jawn-smith> Thanks ginggs
[15:30] <jawn-smith> ginggs: ogayot may be working related issues per enr0n
[15:31] <ginggs> noted
[15:31] <jawn-smith> xz-utils vs linux-lowlatency has succeeded. Thanks again ginggs
[15:31] <jawn-smith> libcloud vs paramiko
[15:31] <enr0n> I can take that
[15:31] <jawn-smith> enr0n: thanks!
[15:32] <jawn-smith> dnspython has regressions on each arch so likely a real issue
[15:32] <jawn-smith> dbungert: dnspython?
[15:33] <jawn-smith> adduser is another badpkg issue on i386
[15:33] <jawn-smith> anyone want to look into that?
[15:34] <bdmurray> I'll have a look
[15:34] <jawn-smith> Thanks bdmurray
[15:34] <jawn-smith> I believe the requests MIR is with xypron and/or ogayot
[15:34] <jawn-smith> and that's the whole list
[15:35] <jawn-smith>  #topic AOB
[15:35] <jawn-smith> Lots of people having long weekends. Monday is a US holiday and many Europeans are off today and tomorrow
[15:36] <jawn-smith> Anything else?
[15:37] <jawn-smith> #endmeeting
[15:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:37:32 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-05-26-15.01.moin.txt


 Hey
 I use Kubuntu on my Chromebook as well (re @IrcsomeBot: <loki51> Kubuntu btw,.. works amazing on chromebooks! As you know even has the keyboard layout fr chromebooks)
 And one issue I've found and Haven't been able to wrap my head around it is
 1) If an video or audio is been paused for just a minute, after hitting the play button it skips for some few seconds before catching up
 2) Earphones jack isn't working yet, tried alot of tricks but still isn't working
 Btw, it's a Chromebook 14
[01:52] <whome> Hello?
[02:11] <whome> hello I have a question that I hope somebody can steer me into the right direction.   I have a person that is in a foreign country and our languages are different.  I looked at pidgin and konversation and a couple of other apps but is there one that will automatically convert Russian to english and/or vice versa so I can communicate without flipping back and forth to a translator page?
[02:37] <valorie> interesting idea, whome
[02:37] <valorie> I've not hear of any, but then I have been using konversation for about 20 year
[02:43] <whome> valorie....yeah, still no go
[02:44] <whome> valorie: okay, I have konversation.  But if my party writes in his language will I see it in mine or do I have to change my something here to russian?
[02:45] <valorie> I'm not aware of any plugins that would do that
[02:45] <valorie> it surely would be awesome for cross-culture communication
[02:46] <valorie> google can do it but not perfectly by any means
[02:47] <whome> valorie: wow...this is partly the problem.  google translator is good enough (I use yandex translator) but i'm cut/copy/pasting myself to death here. i thought in this day and age I would be able to talk to jewish, russian, mexican, whoever.  Man we haven't solved that hurdles yet?
[02:47] <whome> valorie: oops. wow...this is partly the problem.  google translator is good enough (I use yandex translator) but i'm cut/copy/pasting myself to death here. i thought in this day and age I would be able to talk to jewish, russian, mexican, whoever.  Man we haven't solved that hurdles yet?
[02:48] <valorie> well, it's free software, so volunteers to make cool stuff like that are always welcome
[02:49] <whome> valorie: I don't mind non-free but there's nothing?
[02:49] <valorie> software doesn't get made by magic
[02:49] <valorie> I have no idea -- I've never looked
[02:50] <whome> valorie: hmmm...so the world cannot fluidly communicate with eachother yet and that is that.....geeze
[06:08] <Spring> How much space does Kubuntu consume on a drive? I had it installed a while ago but didn't pay attention to the space used.
[07:21] <MattF66> hi there, anyone can help me for any workarounds to use Logitech MX Master 3 mouse on Kubuntu 22.04?
 Anyone having issues with a recent update?
 I couldnt boot up my system this morning, just a bunch of ACPI errors.
 For somereason my default kernel is now "oracle" instead of generic, and i had to go into grub and select generic just to boot up.
[13:16] <iomari892> Periodically, all my desktop apps shut down. I can't figure out why. I have to restart them often. MOst times it happens when I leave my laptop for a while and come back. I'm using 22.10.
[13:18] <diogenes_Vx15> iomari892: what do you mean by "shut down"?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:04] <iomari892> diogenes_Vx15: sorry was away from desk. All apps close.
[14:05] <diogenes_Vx15> iomari892: maybe you have systemd-oomd.service?
[14:27] <iomari892> diogenes_Vx15: yes. it's running. Do I need it?
[14:28] <diogenes_Vx15> iomari892: it might kill apps if it thinks that they eat out too much memory.
[14:29] <iomari892> I'm killing it. It's driving me crazy.
[14:30] <iomari892> alternatively, is they a config file for it?
[14:32] <diogenes_Vx15> iomari892: here is the manpage: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-oomd.service.html
[14:35] <iomari892> thanks. Seems like this is the cause. I'll read up on it before I kill it.
[17:53] <Mopsie> I was just wondering if anyone here is a REGEX wizard and might be able to help with what is probably a very simple problem?
[17:55] <Mopsie> I have a photo app (F-STOP) on my phone which creates a temporary file while it updates the photo with meta data.  It then removes the original file and renames the temporary file to the original file name
[17:56] <Mopsie> This is all fine, except I also have a QNAP NAS and an app which syncronises all the changed files
[17:57] <Mopsie> I now have a folder  on my NAS which is full of duplicate files
[17:57] <Mopsie> e.g.
[17:57] <Mopsie> IMG_20220619_103554_HDR.jpg
[17:57] <Mopsie> IMG_20220619_103554_HDR.jpg880b1bec-d250-41a8-a3bc-d0ac8f749c7e
[17:57] <oerheks> f-stop, is that kubuntu/linux software?
[17:58] <Mopsie> How can I find all the files (on Linux) where the filename extension has all these random characters at the end and delete the files
[17:59] <Mopsie> @oerheks I have it installed on my Android phone :-)
[18:01] <Mopsie> This is the app I am using https://www.fstopapp.com/
[18:02] <oerheks> oke, so your issue is on your nas?
[18:02] <Mopsie> Yes
[18:02] <Mopsie> I have both files copied to my NAS and I want to delete one of them
[18:03] <oerheks> tons of pages how to find duplicate files with different names, based on md5sum or sha256sum https://askubuntu.com/questions/731108/how-to-find-only-duplicate-files-that-have-different-names
[18:03] <oerheks> but your nas issue is not really kubuntu, so i have no clue how that works
[18:04] <Mopsie> So I am using kubuntu on my laptop and I have my NAS mounted
[18:05] <Mopsie> and when I look in the photos folder I see all these duplicate files, because they were synced automatically from my phone
[18:23] <Mopsie> Its not pretty but I have done this...   $rm *.jpg*-* and has worked :-)
[18:25] <Mopsie> oerheks " but your nas issue is not really kubuntu, so i have no clue how that works"  that is right its not really with kubuntu, but I am using kubuntu and thought this miight be a good place to ask first for help :-)
 hey guys how do i remove this "1013-oracle" kernel thats suddenly appeared as a new default?
 It doesnt even boot and no idea where it came from
 default in grub*
[19:56] <oerheks> such linux-oracle kernel does not come by default..https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-oracle
 So something i installed added it?
[20:31] <Loki59> Anyone around? I figured out a bug that crushed my chromebook so bad that the Bios had to be reflashed
[20:31] <Loki59> in 22.10
[22:14] <farhan1> hey
[23:24] <webchat28> Ciao
[23:24] <webchat28> Hi
[23:26] <webchat28> No audio working on my computer
[23:26] <webchat28> Samsung galaxy book 360, Kubuntu 22
[23:26] <webchat28> any idea?
[23:28] <Amadrox> Hey webchat, have you selected the correct audio device?
[23:28] <webchat28> Yes
[23:29] <webchat28> fresh install, no audio but even during the live
[23:29] <Amadrox> and systemctl --user status pulseaudio.service does not show an error?
[23:30] <webchat28> unit pulse.audiocould not be found
[23:32] <Amadrox> Do you get no result when executing pulseaudio --check ? That would be a good sign
[23:34] <webchat28> the volume control shome me music but I cannot listen anithing. I'm installing pulsaaudio now
[23:35] <Amadrox> it already should be installed. The command failed because it is missing?
[23:36] <Amadrox> try at first: apt list --installed | grep pulse
[23:36] <webchat28> systemctl --user status pulseaudio.service
[23:36] <webchat28> ○ pulseaudio.service - Sound Service
[23:36] <webchat28>      Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service; enabled; preset: enabled)
[23:36] <webchat28>      Active: inactive (dead)
[23:36] <webchat28> TriggeredBy: ○ pulseaudio.socket
[23:37] <Amadrox> Thats a weird line right there: Active: inactive dead
[23:39] <webchat28> Told you: installed or live I cannot listen any sound but the bar of volume control shows a signal like something is playing
[23:39] <Amadrox> have you already tried to restart the service?
[23:40] <webchat28> and I'm playing a random video on youtube
[23:40] <webchat28> On windows my speakerworks
[23:40] <webchat28> speaker works
[23:40] <webchat28> Windows 11
[23:41] <Amadrox> It's good to know that it is not an hardware issue. But restart the service with: systemctl --user restart pulseaudio.service
[23:51] <Amadrox> @webchat: if you restart the service you might need to reload the tab with the video


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[04:57] <derp> rude.
[04:57] <IdleOne> You should have behaved to begin with.
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[05:59] <elky> genii, are you op in -ot currently?
[06:00] <genii> Probably
[06:00] <genii> Yup
[06:00] <elky> ok i need to go do stuff, can you keep an eye on that bag of fun?
[06:01] <genii> Hehe, OK
[06:53] <genii> Ok. almost 3am here so I'm out...
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[08:11] <ikonia> my misake/fault, sorry
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