[00:08] <Machtin> night guys!
[01:20] <Ian_Corne> hrmf, bootchart doesn't create a /var/log/bootchart dir for me...
[01:21] <Ian_Corne> ah
[01:21] <Ian_Corne> It's because I'm running an ssd with optimized fstab
[01:23] <toori> heey
[01:24] <toori> hii
[01:24] <Ian_Corne> hello
[01:27] <dr_willis> Moo!
[01:27] <Ian_Corne> :D
[01:27] <Ian_Corne> silly bootchart thingies
[01:28] <dr_willis> boot them in the charts!
[02:48] <jhouse5266534> update-manager is giving me download errors.  Has anyone seen this or better yet, know how to fix it?
[02:50] <jhouse5266534> example: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager-core_0.152.9_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[02:53] <micahg> jhouse5266534: 1:0.152.10 is the latest version, your cache is out of date
[02:53] <jhouse5266534> michahg, how do I update the cache?
[02:54] <micahg> jhouse5266534: check for new pacakges?
[02:54] <micahg> s/new/updates/
[02:56] <jhouse5266534> micahg, what command should I run?
[02:57] <micahg> jhouse5266534: just click check in update-manager
[04:52] <bullgard4_> I just installed the package »ubuntu-desktop«. I obtain "Failed to load session "gnome". Log Out" How can I fix this?
[06:06] <bullgard4_> After Alt+F2 I run 'sudo apt-get install tilda'. GNOME 3 does quit this command without an excuse. Repeating, the History shows an exclamation mark next to this command. What does that mean?
[08:27] <wrongturn> anyone have any problems with 11.10? i just now downloading and fixing to try
[08:32] <bullgard4_> wrongturn: Yes. Me. I just installed the package »ubuntu-desktop«. I obtain "Failed to load session "gnome". Log Out" How can I fix this?
[08:33] <wrongturn> idk sorry i'm trying this for first time
[08:33] <wrongturn> your using gnome 3 in this right?
[08:33] <bullgard4_> Yes sir.
[08:34] <bullgard4_> I'd like to, that is.
[08:34] <wrongturn> well im logout and load see what happens lol
[09:23] <bullgard4_> Oneiric > Ubuntu How can I access the Startup dialog window?
[11:14] <zniavre> goood afternoon
[11:15] <zniavre> does dnd to launcher is working right now please ?
[11:43] <dr_willis> Hmm. Just copied terminator.desktop to my desktop so i have a launcher. it was not made executable.. tried to run it. it ran "Untrusted application launcher'  saying..
[11:43] <dr_willis> The application launcher "terminator.desktop" has not been marked as trusted. If you do not know the source of this file, launching it may be unsafe.
[11:44] <dr_willis>  Since when did the term 'executable' become the same as 'marked as trusted'   :)  Sort of  changing the definitions of terms here isent it?
[11:45] <dr_willis> shouldent the dialog at least give a user a clue as what to do..    So launching it may be unsafe.. well.. what if i want to launch it anyway.. no info on that in the dialog.
[11:45] <dr_willis> Done ranting now.. :)
[11:46] <M0hi> dr_willis: is there any new features to be added to the untrusted application launcher?
[11:46] <dr_willis> M0hi,  not that ive seen.. then again.. its only feature was basically to nag and annoy people it seemed. :)
[11:47] <dr_willis> did it have any features besides that?
[11:47] <M0hi> lol :P
[11:47] <M0hi> but is used to give a warning though =]
[11:47] <dr_willis> dont get me on the missleading stuff it does with wine apps....
[11:47] <dr_willis> I wonder if its differnt in Unity vs gnome-shell also.. using gnomeshell right now.
[11:48] <dr_willis> I just put that terminator.desktop icon on the desktop as a fallback. :) and noticed it dident get made executable by default and gave that untrusted info.
[11:48] <M0hi> hmmm
[11:48] <dr_willis> Its little things like this that can use the polishing that ubuntu really needs to focus on soon.
[11:49] <M0hi> dr_willis: when we are getting unstable packages from Debian, we will be having some devs of the packages here too? like working both on debian and *buntu?
[11:50] <M0hi> err too right?*
[11:50] <dr_willis> M0hi,  ive not really seen any of the developers in here.  not really seen any in #ubuntu either. They may hang in other channels
[11:51] <M0hi> But if they remain here and see whats going on that package, they can help easily right?
[11:52] <dr_willis> I imagine they stick to the bug reporting sites and so forth.
[11:52] <dr_willis> They need to be coding!  :)
[11:53] <dr_willis> I imagine i dont understand 1/10th the work the developers actually do.
[11:53] <dr_willis> thats why i hang in here and on #ubuntu helping the beginners and so forth.  just adding help in what ever way i can.
[11:54] <M0hi> cool :)
[11:55]  * M0hi also belongs to help and support grouped peeps =]
[11:55] <M0hi> Have to install alpha 3. Too late :[
[11:57] <dr_willis> Been helping out on askubuntu.com also.  The site has some neat features and ideas, but lacking in some other ways.
[12:01] <M0hi> I do love sites who work for the prmotion of Ubuntu and not the people who has the main aim of earning money by posting some ads of proprietary OS
[12:01] <bullgard4_> I installed Oneiric and the package »ubuntu-desktop«. I obtain "Failed to load session "gnome". Log Out" How can I fix this? Is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750430 applicable to Oneiric?
[12:04] <M0hi> GNOME rollbacks are same in case you tried upgrading the version to 3.0.1. #5 might help I think
[12:06] <dr_willis> bullgard4,  there was a bug about it. but it got fixed for me a day or so ago.
[12:07] <dr_willis> bullgard4,  you have done a 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' recently?
[12:07] <dr_willis> bullgard4,  in my case it was because my 3d drivers were not working properly.
[12:08] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: I did 'sudo apt-get update'and  'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' this morning.
[12:09] <dr_willis> whats your video chipset?
[12:09] <bullgard4_> M0hi: Please tell me what a "GNOME rollback" is.
[12:11] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: Intel GM965
[12:15] <dr_willis> You could try starting gnomeshell by hand and see what error messages happen bullgard4. you are not using nvidia. so you cant be having the same issue i was having.
[12:17] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: How to start GNOME shell by hand?
[12:18] <M0hi> bullgard4_: do the step #5 in the link you mentioned. That will help I believe. Sorry for the late response
[12:18] <dr_willis> i think its gnome-shell --replace
[12:18] <dr_willis> or make a custom .xinitrc and stop gdm, and use 'startx' and look for error messges
[12:27] <bullgard4_> M0hi: I followed the suggestions of #5. The error message remains the same.
[12:38] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: Now it works! Thank you! --  I had to install a missing package.
[12:42] <bullgard4_> I just installed GNOME 3 and am running it for the first time ever. How can I install the tilda program and run it?
[12:44] <dr_willis> use the pacakge manager . and install it... then run it.. :)
[12:46] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: Is "the package manager" Synaptic? How can I invoke Synaptic in GNOME 3?
[12:52] <bullgard4_> [solved]
[12:52] <dr_willis> bullgard4,  let me say this in the nicest way.. .. its sort of scary you are using the Alpha 3 release and dont know the  basics of  the ubuntu package manager system or command line...
[12:52] <dr_willis> :)
[12:53] <dr_willis> package manager = any of the tools to the apt system you like. :)
[12:53] <dr_willis> synaptic is not installed by default I belive any more. but its what i install and use most of the time..
[12:54] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: No. You misunderstood. I did not know how to access them. The layout is different in GNOME 3.
[12:54] <dr_willis> A+  You gain Ubuntu Skill Points today!
[12:55] <dr_willis> alt-f2 is still there. :)  but thats old-skool
[12:55] <dr_willis> first thing i did was drag a terminal icon to the side panel in GNomeshell
[12:56] <dr_willis> I did see some indicator-applets that added a classic gnome menu to Unity in 11.04 - i imagine it may work in 11.10 also. that  would be handy...
[12:57] <dr_willis> be nice in gnome shell if i could just hover over a window after moving to the top left,  then back to the window.. so i dont need to click.. :)
[12:58] <dr_willis> but thats lazy i guess.. but hay.. i dident need to click to get to the   layout of all the windows. :)
[13:00] <dr_willis> I do seem to perfer gomeshell to unity.. it just makes more sence to me..
[13:16] <yofel> does someone have an idea why apt takes so long to read the package lists in oneiric? It seems to have to regenerate the package cache on everything it does here. So a simple apt-cache policy bash takes several seconds
[13:19] <ior3k> $ time apt-cache policy bash
[13:19] <ior3k> ...
[13:19] <ior3k> 1.025 secs
[13:26] <yofel> real    0m3.436s
[13:26] <yofel> I do have quite a few sources enabled, but on the same apt setup the command takes "real    0m0.051s" in natty
[13:27] <yofel> so oneiric takes about 67x as much time as natty
[13:39] <bullgard4_> In Lucid GNOME 2 I could click System > Administration > Keyboard > Keyboard Preferences > Layouts. What is the equivalent in GNOME 3?
[13:40] <zniavre> ior3k,  what this commandline is suposed to demonstrate please ?
[13:40] <coz_> bullgard4,  isnt it under system settings  ,, upper right  of the screen?
[13:40] <ior3k> zniavre: time is used to calculate the time it takes for a command to run
[13:41] <zniavre> it can be considered as a test performance for computer ?
[13:41] <zniavre> (sorry for my bad english)
[13:43] <ior3k> zniavre: well, it's a pretty crude way to do it, but I guess it can be used for that, yeah
[13:44] <zniavre> ok thank you  verry interresting
[13:44] <ior3k> my pleasure
[13:45] <zniavre> btw > i can't drag and drop icons from dash to launcher that is known  ?
[13:48] <bullgard4_> coz_: I found it there. --  Thank you for your help.
[13:48] <coz_> bullgard4,  cool
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:54] <yofel> mvo: do you know if apt uses compressed indexes again in oneiric or if I need to look for a different cause of apt-cache's slowness?
[13:56] <mvo> yofel: maybe that enabling of multiarch for amd64? that doubles the amount of packages it look at by default
[13:57] <yofel> mvo: that would mean a factor 2 slowdown, 'apt-cache policy bash' has a factor ~67 slowdown here from natty to oneiric (using time ... as measurement)
[13:58] <mvo> hm, that does not sound right, what is the test case you use?
[13:58] <mvo> oh, nevermind
[13:59] <mvo> yofel: what timming data d you see? what does time apt-cache policy bash -o Debug::pkgcachegen=true
[13:59] <mvo>  how?
[14:02] <yofel> mvo: with debug: natty "real    0m0.202s" and says "pkgcache.bin is valid - no need to build anything"
[14:03] <yofel> on oneiric I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/661143/
[14:05] <mvo> yofel: ok, there we go, thanks! so it appears to be a bug in the code that checks for sources.list vs cache freshness
[14:06] <yofel> I'll try to remove the files and let apt-get re-create them, but with the wifi here at desktop summit this will take a while...
[14:08] <mvo> yofel: I can reproduce it here on one machine, I have a look now, I suspect its something silly
[14:08] <yofel> thanks! :)
[14:09] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] How can I change the format displayed for date&time in the upper middle of the screen from "Mon 16:07" to "Mon Aug 8, 16:07"? -- System Settings > Date and Time does not seem to allow such an adjustment.
[14:13] <mvo> yofel: and so it is, a < where a > needs to be, I commit a fix, thanks for letting me know about it
[14:18] <coz_> bullgard4,  not sure  maybe gnome-tweak-tool ?
[14:18] <coz_> dconf-editor?
[14:18] <coz_> i will have to reinstall gnome3  to test
[14:19] <coz_> bullgard4,  did you try clicking the clock for settings?
[14:25] <bullgard4_> coz_: Right-clicking on the clock applet opens a window. This includes a button »Date and Time Settings«.Clicking on it will open a window »Date and Time«. This does not let me adjust the display format of date&time.
[14:25] <coz_> bullgard4,   ok   I am going by last month's memory of gnome3,,, sorry
[14:26] <escott> bullgard4_, if this is gnome3 install gnome-tweak-tool gives you a couple more options
[14:26] <coz_> bullgard4,   try  gnome-tweak-tool... or maybe dconf-editor,, not sure about the latter one on gnome3 thought
[14:26] <coz_> though
[14:35] <dr_willis> My clock says 'Mon Aug 8, 10:35'
[14:36] <dr_willis> Must have been a gnome-tweak-tool setting  i used
[14:43] <bullgard4_> coz_, escott Tweak Tool > Shell > Show date in clock did the trick. --  Thank you.
[14:45] <bullgard4_> dr_willis: Thank you.
[14:45] <dr_willis> one of the few features of that tool that work :)
[14:45] <dr_willis> but its a work in progress...
[14:46] <jbicha> dr_willis: what part of gnome-tweak-tool doesn't work?
[14:48] <dr_willis> 'Shell extensions" is totally blank here. and i did install some by hand.
[14:48] <dsathe> dr_willis: you have not installed necessay depnds
[14:48] <dsathe> gnome-shell exts common
[14:48] <dr_willis> and the package name is what exactly? i couldent find it the other day when i was looking
[14:48] <dsathe> needed for other hand made one to run too
[14:48] <dsathe> one sec
[14:49] <dr_willis> Windows->current Theme ->   dosent seem to change here either..
[14:49] <dsathe> gnome-shell-extensions-common
[14:50] <dsathe> i recomend adding ricotz ppa for the shell
[14:50] <dsathe> :)
[14:50] <dr_willis> ill look again. but it wasent there/installable the other day.
[14:50] <dr_willis> I dident really feel like risking using a PPA on  an Aplha :)
[14:50] <dsathe> yeah my bad
[14:50] <dsathe> its from ricotz ppa
[14:50] <dsathe> its as stable as the rest of oneric :P
[14:50] <dr_willis> Hmm I adjusted the fonts size. and now xchat is all messing up
[14:50] <dsathe> dr_willis:
[14:51] <dsathe> use dconf -editor
[14:51] <dr_willis>  apt-cache search gnome-shell
[14:51] <dr_willis> gnome-shell - graphical shell for the GNOME desktop
[14:51] <dr_willis> libmutter0 - window manager library from the Mutter window manager
[14:51] <dr_willis> :)
[14:52] <dr_willis> so it seems its not in the repos yet.
[14:52] <dsathe> nope
[14:53] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] Are there things like "workspaces"? How can I move  the Synaptic window to workspace 2?
[14:53] <dr_willis> just drag it over to the left side...
[14:53] <dr_willis> mouse to upper left... click on synaptic.. drag it to right side.
[14:53] <dr_willis> it auto adds new workspaces as needed
[14:55] <dr_willis> i wonder if theres some 'gnome-shell' in use  videos on Youtube..
[14:58] <jbicha> that's not a bug in gnome-tweak-tool, it's because gnome-shell-extensions hasn't made it into the Debian/Ubuntu repositories
[14:58] <jbicha> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627515
[15:00] <escott> is synaptic completely messed up for others. the quick search no longer returns results
[15:00] <dr_willis> escott,  i had a similer bug a few weeks back in 11.04 ... not seen it in 11.10 yet.
[15:00] <jbicha> one of the Debian GNOME maintainers really doesn't like that if an extension is installed, it is activated for everyone on the computer
[15:01] <mvo> escott: do you still have apt-xapian-index installed? does it help if you run "sudo update-apt-xapian-index" ?
[15:01] <dr_willis> escott,  it seems to be working here.
[15:02] <escott> its driving me nuts. what package should i remove to remove the unity session
[15:02] <dr_willis> escott,  what are you going to use instead?
[15:02] <escott> mvo, yes the apt-xapian-index is installed
[15:02] <escott> dr_willis, gnome-shell. i'd be happy with switching the default to gnome-shell on the gdm screen, but it keeps going back to unity
[15:03] <dr_willis> escott,  odd.. its staying at gnome-shell here.. perhaps your .dmrc somehow got owned by root instead f the user
[15:03] <dr_willis> .dmrc file -> [Desktop]
[15:03] <dr_willis> Session=gnome-shell
[15:04] <dr_willis> gdm? You mean Lightdm? or are you actually using gdm?
[15:05] <escott> dr_willis, Session is gnome in dmrc. ill change it to gnome-shell and see if that makes it work. i am using gdm, i don't get the point of lightdm
[15:06] <escott> dr_willis, stuff like unity/lightdm is making me strongly consider fedora
[15:07] <BluesKaj> escott, that won't get you anywhwere gnome is gnome no matter which distro
[15:07] <dr_willis> dont see how the DM matters much...
[15:08] <dr_willis> fedora gnomeshell looked itendical to  whats on 11.10 when i tested the fedora live cd the other day. :)
[15:09] <escott> dr_willis, by why? what was wrong with gdm that we so desperately needed lightdm? i haven't seen a convincing case for that. there seems to be a big not-invented-here attitude. anyways i'm getting !ot
[15:10] <bjsnider> what they'd said was gdm contained a lot of extra complexity that was unneeded
[15:10] <bjsnider> did canonical invent lightdm?
[15:11] <dr_willis> with that logic why change from  anything to anything else. :)
[15:11] <dr_willis> !info slim
[15:11] <dr_willis> !info lightdm
[15:11] <dr_willis> Golly. that is a big diff. :)
[15:12] <dr_willis> !info xdm
[15:14] <bjsnider> canonical was encouraging gnome to also switch to lightdm although i don't know what gnome's response to that is
[15:16] <tensorpudding> lightdm is a freedesktop.org thing iirc
[15:17] <bjsnider> gnome has at least as much of an "it-wasn't-invented-here" culture as canonical
[15:19] <dr_willis> if not more so.. :)
[15:19] <dr_willis> I still rember the big gnome and ximian gnome  fun time ages ago...
[15:20] <dr_willis> I do recall that GDM2 also trimming out features that were in GDM.. so its a trend.
[15:29] <jbicha> gnome definitely won't switch to lightdm, it would be a regression from their design perspective and it's not been tested yet
[15:33] <BluesKaj> KDE here ,  the igital clock shows 12 hr time AMPM on the KDE Control Module , but shows 24 hr time format in the panel ...any method to fix this ?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> digital
[15:34] <Pici> BluesKaj: I'm pretty sure that you can change the widget's preferences and set whatever format you want in there.
[15:34] <escott> BluesKaj, gnome and kde use different settings systems. you need to go into the settings system for the other desktop environment and change it there
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Pici, I did that , but the plasma/panel clock doesn't change , and escott I already set it up in system settings , no change in the panel after that setting either
[15:39] <BluesKaj> the panel options dialog aka the kde control panel shows the correct format , but it just doesn't display it
[15:42] <dr_willis> I recall once that some apps had to be restarted after you changed the system time/format..
[15:42] <dr_willis> which ment you had to log out/back in basically
[15:42] <dr_willis> never have understood why they couldent just put a checkbox in the clock menus to do 12/24....
[15:43] <dr_willis> Then again i never could understand why a disrto that targets beginners and 'common people'  would not be defaulting to the 12/am/pm format anyway. :)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, well, at least in the Noth American time zones
[15:44] <dr_willis> So people in  China use 24hr clocks normally?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yes and europe
[15:45] <dr_willis> cant say ive ever noticed it...
[15:45] <dr_willis> but then again.. i dont travel there. :)
[15:45] <dr_willis> 24hr clocks and the metric system! no wonder its all chaotic over there. :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> excpt for uk , I think ..but I can stand corrected on the IK time
[15:46] <BluesKaj> UK
[15:46] <dr_willis> I suppose next they will want a standard currancy :)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> metric hasn't got anything to do with that dr_willis ...we use the metric system here in Canada , but we still prefer AMPM
[15:47] <patdk-wk> yen?
[15:51] <dr_willis> We need a metric clock. :) 100 sec per min.. 100 min per hr...
[15:51] <dr_willis> actually i think there is such a thing.  :)
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> i'd love that dr_willis
[15:53] <genii-around> My principal once played an April Fools joke like that, on announcements told the teachers to come collect their new metric clock from the office. Surprising how many showed up.
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> and it would be hectoseconds instead of minutes
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> :D
[15:54] <dr_willis> Then.. the Metric Alphabet!
[15:55] <dr_willis> http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75rdecabet.phtml          Metric Alphabet :)
[15:56]  * dr_willis goes back to sleep now.
[16:15] <bullgard4_> cul!
[16:23] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] Where is the Shut Down (software) button to be found?
[16:23] <escott> bullgard4_, logout and then shutdown from the display manager
[16:24] <escott> bullgard4_, there is an extension but 11.10 doesn't have the extensions packaged yet
[16:24] <bullgard4_> escott: Hm. Why so complicated?
[16:30] <escott> bullgard4_, they "want" you to suspend and not shutdown. its supposed to be less confusing or something. silly considering most peoples suspend functionality is broken
[16:31] <urlin2u> I noticed the no shutdown when I installed yesterday, oh and no gnome3
[16:31] <bullgard4_> escott: Ah! Understood. --  Thank you for explaining.
[16:31] <jbicha> bullgard4_: just hold down the alt key while the usermenu is open and the suspend key magically transforms!
[16:32] <urlin2u> jbicha, ah like fedora
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> wth :p
[16:32] <urlin2u> it is a gnonm3 thang
[16:34] <dr_willis> but is suspend... a suspend to disk.. or to ram....
[16:35] <bullgard4_> jbicha: That reminds me somewhat to WindowsXP. --  I'll test that later.
[16:36] <escott> dr_willis, ram
[16:36] <escott> hibernate would be to disk
[16:37] <dr_willis> still wondering where that got defined at.. :)   i recall it used to be 'suspend to ram' and 'suspend to disk'  but then.. whats sleep .. :) to ram i guess...
[16:37] <dr_willis> its soo confuseing... Ill just unplug it from the wall!
[16:37] <dr_willis> :)
[16:38] <dr_willis> sleep -> hibernate -> fossalize...
[16:38] <escott> dr_willis, there are actually other power states between on and sleep, that are seldom used (but probably will be used more in the future)
[16:39] <dr_willis> seen asked befor.. 'can i access my windows shares while my pc is sleeping.....'    :)
[16:39] <dr_willis> guess theres a 'napping' mode...
[16:40] <dr_willis> I rarely have the sleep/suspend stuff work right in windows.. theres always some game/service/icon/tool/somthing that gets confused.
[16:40]  * BluesKaj searches for kermodule name for BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
[16:40] <BluesKaj> kernel module name
[16:45] <wrongturn> I guess everyone is really happy with 10.10
[16:45] <BluesKaj> you mean 11.10 of course ;0
[16:46] <wrongturn> oh yeah right
[16:46] <rww> or everyone's 11.10 is broken so they can't IRC
[16:47] <wrongturn> im using it but had some download problems with softeware center for xchat
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !quassel
[16:48] <wrongturn> definitely a new look for the OS
[16:49] <BluesKaj> !info quassel
[16:49] <wrongturn> oh
[16:52] <wrongturn> software center closed unexpectedly
[16:52] <BluesKaj> !irc
[16:59] <wrongturn> is anyone else expericing (spelling?) having problems downloading in the software center
[17:00] <wrongturn> i mean problems downloading?
[17:01] <wrongturn> i did a clean install
[17:04] <wrongturn> first install though took like 1 1/2 hours to install and had to reinstall because it wouldn't accept my root password :(
[17:06] <wrongturn> second install got it though :)
[17:09] <wrongturn> i was thinking that during first install i used the encryption to protect root so this time i skipped that
[17:11] <escott> !root | wrongturn
[17:11] <dr_willis> been using apt-get to install stuff today fine wrongturn
[17:11] <dr_willis> havent heard of any other people mentionj issues today
[17:14] <wrongturn> hmmm maybe my connection also set up new router seems slow
[17:20] <wrongturn> obselete packages on a full fresh install
[17:23] <wrongturn> well apt-get works
[17:23] <wrongturn> bummer what's name of all the packages again lol
[17:24] <wrongturn> ok trying synaptic see if that's ok
[17:28] <wrongturn> ok synaptic works
[18:14] <BluesKaj> was about to upgrade after an update , The following packages have been kept back:apt apt-transport-https apt-utils libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libept1 libgl1-mesa-glx linux-image-generic qapt-deb-installer, I obviously aborted the upgrade ...looks dangerous to me !
[18:14] <dr_willis> You are running an Alpha.. :) what do you expect...
[18:15] <dr_willis> lets see what mine says
[18:15] <BluesKaj> alpha?
[18:15] <dr_willis> Ubuntu+1... the testing release....
[18:15] <dr_willis> !11.10
[18:16] <dr_willis> currently in Alpha3 state i think.
[18:16] <BluesKaj> I thought it was beta ...oops :)
[18:16] <dr_willis> Plus it said those were held back.. so not upgraded.. :)
[18:16] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to make it upgrade them as well.
[18:16] <dr_willis> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:16] <dr_willis>   apt apt-transport-https apt-utils libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libept1 libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libqapt-runtime libqapt1
[18:16] <dr_willis>   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic python-apt qapt-deb-installer transmission-common transmission-gtk
[18:17] <dr_willis> getting similer messageit seems
[18:17] <BluesKaj> not running dist-upgrade ... that's what broke my setup the last try
[18:17] <Pici> Don't go through with it until you're okay with what its going to remove.
[18:18] <dr_willis> i always do dist-upgrade.. otherwise you dont get all the updates.. :)
[18:18] <Pici> BluesKaj: You'll need to run a dist-upgrade if you plan on being at all updated while using an alpha.
[18:18] <dr_willis> I tend to do a update, upgrade, then dist-upgrade just so i can see whats getting updated at each state easier..
[18:19] <BluesKaj> yeah, I do the same , but I'm leery
[18:20] <Pici> I do a dist-upgrade every time, but I read the changelogs and what is being removed before I tell it to go.
[18:21]  * dr_willis dives in like a Manly man! and dist-upgrades....
[18:21] <magn3ts> Whats the deal with "_Install" and the weird mouse cursors in the latest alpha?
[18:21] <magn3ts> snapshot!
[18:21] <dr_willis> I dident notife anything getting removed..  but i may of overlooked it.. :)
[18:21] <dr_willis> lettitng it run.. bbl
[18:23] <BluesKaj> heh, this dist-upgrade is gonna remove the whole kubuntudesktop and whole lot of other kde stuff and only upgrade a few libs ...some dist-upgrade that is
[18:24]  * BluesKaj aborts dist-upgrade
[18:25] <jbicha> magn3ts: bug 811642
[18:26] <magn3ts> Oooh.
[18:26] <magn3ts> I see.
[18:35] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got kubuntu-desktop here.. and did not see it remove  any kde stuff at all.
[18:35] <dr_willis> well time to reboots and see if it uses the new kernel
[18:41] <dr_willis> Hmm... Theres a 'gnome classic' entry now in the Login Screen...
[18:43] <BluesKaj> that's the first dist-upgrade this setup has survived in 3 tries ... things are looking up :)
[18:43] <dr_willis> heh - i seem to have a gnome-classic-shell  going on.
[18:43] <dr_willis> i dist-upgrade every day... never had an issue.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> I did , mostly with nvidia graphics
[18:44] <dr_willis> nvidia issues went away now that im using nomodeset as a default option...
[18:44] <BluesKaj> ok,bbl...postbox check
[18:45] <BluesKaj> even nomodeset  didn't work previous to nvidia  280.13 driver
[18:53] <BluesKaj> nomodeset option works now tho , otherwise I'd still be on irssi :)
[18:57] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[18:57] <BUGabundo> how does one get dual monitor to work with nouveau?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> with diff screens?
[18:58] <BUGabundo> clone works... kinda
[18:58] <escott> BUGabundo, xrandr should work with nouveau
[18:58] <BUGabundo> one screen is chopped at 1024 while the other goes up to 1280
[18:58] <escott> BUGabundo, it should be adjustable with the gnome-display-properties tool (the monitors tool)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> gnome-display-properties: command not found
[19:00] <BUGabundo> escott: any advice?
[19:01] <BUGabundo> or at least what xrandr commands to pass
[19:01] <escott> BUGabundo, not sure exactly what the binary is, just go to the normal application search and type in "monitor" and go to monitor settings
[19:13] <BUGabundo> FYI
[19:13] <BUGabundo> $ synaptic
[19:13] <BUGabundo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[19:13] <BUGabundo> close(7)                                = 0
[19:13] <BUGabundo> stat("/etc/apt/apt.conf", 0x7fff65741b00) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[19:13] <BUGabundo> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[19:13] <BUGabundo> +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++
[19:13]  * BUGabundo files
[19:14] <jpds> Nice.
[19:17] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/822876
[19:17] <BUGabundo> if anyone can reproduce this
[19:17] <BUGabundo> It would be a good idea letting ppl to halt their upgrades
[19:18] <BUGabundo> so, who wants to be a test subject?
[19:21] <dr_willis> $ synaptic
[19:21] <dr_willis> The program 'synaptic' is currently not installed.  Y
[19:22] <dr_willis> BUGabundo,  it gets even more interesting ...
[19:22] <dr_willis> willis@CowBuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:22] <dr_willis> synaptic : Depends: libapt-inst1.2 but it is not installable
[19:22] <dr_willis>             Depends: libapt-pkg4.10 but it is not installable
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ah
[19:22] <trism> it may have to do with: http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/new-apt-hits-oneiric/ , might want to hold off on the upgrades for a bit
[19:22] <BUGabundo> miss depends
[19:22] <BUGabundo> trism: to late for me
[19:22] <dr_willis> willis@CowBuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install aptitude
[19:23] <dr_willis>  aptitude : Depends: libapt-pkg4.10 but it is not installable
[19:23] <dr_willis>             Recommends: libparse-debianchangelog-perl but it is not going to be installed
[19:23] <BUGabundo> libapt-inst1.3:  Installed: 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu1
[19:23] <BUGabundo> libapt-pkg4.11:  Installed: 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu1
[19:23] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: you are kinda outdated :s
[19:24] <dr_willis> I just update/upgrade/dist-upgraded like 10 min ago.
[19:24] <BUGabundo> !info  libapt-pkg4.11
[19:24] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: humm maybe your mirror is old ?
[19:25] <BUGabundo>  *** 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu1 0
[19:25] <BUGabundo>         500 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ oneiric/main amd64 Packages
[19:25] <BUGabundo>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main amd64 Packages
[19:25] <BUGabundo>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:25] <dr_willis> us ubuntu.com mirrors...
[19:25] <charlie-tca> dr_willis: did synaptic remove during your upgrades?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> It is being removed by current updating
[19:25] <dr_willis> I dident see where it said it was removeing anything..
[19:25] <dr_willis> but it must have.
[19:25] <BUGabundo> not here
[19:26] <bullgard4_> GNOME 3 keeps me annoying: "Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the wireless network 'foo' for hours. GNOME 2 did stop bothering me in that way after a while. How can I program GNOME 3 to do likewise?
[19:26] <dr_willis> you are connecting to foo? or is that some other network?
[19:26] <zzzz_zzzz> hello everyone
[19:27] <dsathe> use as root
[19:27] <dsathe> :D
[19:28] <zzzz_zzzz> i have a problem with gdm(?). it does not start any session after i enter credentials for account. Any thoughts where i can get more info on what is going on ?
[19:28] <dr_willis> zzzz_zzzz,  well lightdm is the default dm now. are you sure you are using GDM?
[19:28] <zzzz_zzzz> sudo stop dgm ends x session for me
[19:28] <zzzz_zzzz> *gdm
[19:29] <zzzz_zzzz> so should i try to install it manually ?
[19:29] <dr_willis> you could try a simple 'startx' after stoping gdm and see if you get to the desktop
[19:29] <dr_willis> zzzz_zzzz,  i wouldent suggest installing anything right now..  theres some big changes hitting the package listings it seems. :)
[19:30] <escott> lovely this partial upgrade just sucked in the kdecore thats just terrific
[19:30] <zzzz_zzzz> startx starts desktop with nautilus in global menu, no indicators, no unity panel :/
[19:30] <BUGabundo> anyone that has a apt search still working
[19:31] <BUGabundo> can you find me any tool to try getting my screens side to side?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> thanks
[19:31] <dr_willis> zzzz_zzzz,  make a .xinitrc that starts up a terminal.   then try starting  untity from the terminal perhaps?
[19:31] <zzzz_zzzz> will try, ty
[19:31] <dr_willis> screens side by side?
[19:31] <dr_willis> BUGabundo,  theres some big changes happening in the apt/synaptic/area right not it seems.. :) search not working will be a trivial thing.. heh.
[19:31] <dr_willis> right now..
[19:32] <dr_willis> http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/new-apt-hits-oneiric/
[19:32] <BUGabundo> funny
[19:32] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: dual monitor. right now they are in clone
[19:32] <BUGabundo> I want VGA to the left, and DVI right
[19:32] <dr_willis> BUGabundo,  whats your video chipset?
[19:32] <BUGabundo> nvidia
[19:33] <BUGabundo> with nouveay
[19:33] <dr_willis> No idea with nouvea if it can do it or not.. try the monitors setting tool.
[19:33] <dr_willis> I use twinview/nvidia driver.
[19:33] <BUGabundo> -.-
[19:33] <dr_willis> nouveau does not work very well for me
[19:33] <BUGabundo> the current monitor tool I've found in gnome-do
[19:33] <BUGabundo> only allows to enable and set resolution
[19:34] <BUGabundo> I could try nvidia blob
[19:34] <escott> BUGabundo, when you go to the application search and type in monitor don't you have a display settings tool
[19:34] <BUGabundo> BUT with apt unstable, I rather not
[19:34] <dr_willis>  gnome-control-center   ---> displays
[19:34] <escott> BUGabundo, otherwise try xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of DVI0 or whatever the variant would be
[19:35] <BUGabundo> thanks
[19:35] <Ian_Corne> apt unstable?
[19:35] <Ian_Corne> haven't noticed..
[19:35] <dr_willis> http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/new-apt-hits-oneiric/
[19:36] <dr_willis> apt seems to be working.. synaptic.. no.. aptitude.. no..
[19:36] <BUGabundo> YAY
[19:36] <dr_willis> lets try the software center.. :)
[19:36] <BUGabundo> grandr Works
[19:36] <BUGabundo> :D
[19:36] <BUGabundo> well, its totally broken
[19:36] <BUGabundo> but still manages to let me drag the VGA to the right
[19:36] <BUGabundo> *left
[19:37] <histo> ?
[19:38] <dr_willis> ubuntu softwre center seems busted also right now for me
[19:39] <Ian_Corne> where's my restart button? :o
[19:40] <dr_willis> under the couch?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: long press power
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> ah :p
[20:03] <Ian_Corne> still can't believe how ugly the chat interface of empathy is compared to 11.04...
[20:04] <Ian_Corne> and then it magically turned back to normal when i accessed the preferences..
[20:04] <Ian_Corne> all's well ends well
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> om26er: should I mark it invalid or fix released?
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/822333
[20:13] <om26er> Ian_Corne, invalid
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> ok
[20:31] <bullgard4_> GNOME 3 keeps me annoying: "Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the wireless network 'foo' for hours. GNOME 2 did stop bothering me in that way after a while. How can I program GNOME 3 to do likewise?
[20:32] <KNUBBIG> Hey, anybody knows why gs looks like this: http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=aa4ffd-1312832926.jpg
[20:44] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: that would be a GTK bug
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> what would be?
[20:45] <bullgard4_> KNUBBIG_: You better emphasize verbally what you are interested in particular.
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> the bug I showed?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> (08/08/2011 09:04:26 PM) Ian_Corne: and then it magically turned back to normal when i accessed the preferences..
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> aah
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> well it's fixed for now
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> maybe some old cfg files needed to be updated
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> If i run into it again, i'll file
[20:52] <BUGabundo> anyone knows how to create a swap file with more then 2GBs?
[20:59] <dr_willis> you could make 2 swap files of 1gb each.. if you wanted to.. or a dozen of them....
[20:59] <dr_willis> :)
[20:59] <dr_willis> not sure theres a 2gb limit to swap file size really.
[21:02] <Ian_Corne> there is not
[21:02] <Ian_Corne> I've got 10GB swap on my desktop
[21:02] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: I already have 2 of 2GBs
[21:02] <Ian_Corne> oh file
[21:02] <BUGabundo> but I want to make a 10GBs on my NAS over giganet
[21:03] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: seems to be hardcoded to the kernel parameters
[21:03] <dr_willis> a swap file over the network? that seems... weird.. :)
[21:04] <dr_willis> cant say ive used a swap file in .. years...
[21:04] <dr_willis> back when 2gb of swap would be HUGE
[21:04] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: its enough time for me to kill what ever is mem leaking
[21:04] <BUGabundo> without causing local disk IO
[21:05] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: 4GBs of RAM isn't enough to run 11.10 and two browsers
[21:05] <dr_willis> http://www.xenotime.net/linux/doc/swap-mini-howto.txt
[21:05] <BUGabundo> I got *regular* OOM
[21:05] <dr_willis> seems to mention a bug in mkswp  but thats an OLD doc...
[21:05] <BUGabundo> I had to add two 2GBs swap files (on SSD)
[21:05] <yofel_> I did manage to create a 6GB swap file yesterday, on a regular HDD that is, copied it over to my SSD after that
[21:06] <BUGabundo> yofel: you did?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> and it swap on fine ?
[21:06] <yofel> works fine so far
[21:06] <yofel> I'm using it with uswsusp
[21:07] <BUGabundo> crazy guy
[21:07] <yofel> well, some idiot designed the sandforce chip in my SSD in a way that it likes to not wake up after suspend. So I'm left with shutdown and hibernate
[21:07] <BUGabundo>  3218      20365          0      58639K       2.3G        1.4G      4116K       6812K     bugabund      bugabund      37%     chromium-brows
[21:07] <BUGabundo> I need MORE ram
[21:08] <dr_willis> googling now a bout swap files.. finding some neat articals on swappiong.. :) like setting up a swap 'raid' with several files...
[21:08] <dr_willis> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/maximum-swappage.xml
[21:09] <BUGabundo> NAS> dd bs=11000 count=1M if=/dev/zero of=swapfile4
[21:09] <BUGabundo> $ cat /proc/swaps
[21:09] <BUGabundo> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /var/local/swapfile2                    file		2097140	11640	-1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /var/local/swapfile3                    file		2097140	0	-2
[21:10] <dr_willis> im finding a lot of mentions of swap limits of 2gb max....
[21:10] <dr_willis> but its in a ot of old old docs
[21:11] <dr_willis> Until Red Hat Enterprise Linux 2.1 there was a limitation on the partition size of 2GB for each swap space. This was due to the mkswap command not supporting creation of a swap partition larger than 2GB.
[21:11] <dr_willis> Seems it may be a mkswap bug.....
[21:11] <dr_willis> more then it is a kernel limit.
[21:12] <BUGabundo> Setting up swapspace version 1, size =<PHONE_NUMBER>4 bytes
[21:12] <BUGabundo> lets see if I can swapon over ether :D
[21:12] <yofel> well, there is a check in mkswap for the PAGE size, but then I don't get why it worked for me when it didn't before
[21:13] <BUGabundo> $ sudo swapon /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4
[21:13] <BUGabundo> swapon: /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4: swapon failed: Invalid argument
[21:13] <dr_willis> Oh.. somthing nifty.. archlinux wiki mentions how you CAN resume from a swap file. and not a partition.. i did not even think that was possible... :)
[21:13] <dr_willis> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Swap
[21:14] <dr_willis> how is that NAS shareing that file?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> cifs
[21:14] <dr_willis> it might be a cifs limit.. I cant recall ever hearing of someone having a swap file on a share like that..
[21:14] <dr_willis> NFS perhaps...
[21:15]  * dr_willis googles for CIFS swap file
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I had lots of problems trying to get NFS working with 11.10
[21:15] <BUGabundo> ended up moving every machine to CIFS
[21:15] <dr_willis> https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=6514
[21:15] <BUGabundo> only to find out that 11.04 hangs on shutdown
[21:15] <dr_willis> In order to swap to a cifs share, you need to mount it and then use the loopback module to create the swapfile.
[21:15] <yofel> dr_willis: you can resume from a file, with uswsusp. You just need to tell it the offset from the partition beginning so it knows where to read/write to. There's a tool to find that out
[21:16] <BUGabundo> and its not fixed yet, not the workaround works if you have more then one mount point :(
[21:16] <yofel> just that uswsusp is broken in oneiric and doesn't install the update-initramfs stuff. You'll find solution on the debian BTS
[21:16] <dr_willis> I just never shutdown . :)
[21:16] <yofel> *find a
[21:17] <dr_willis> BUGabundo,  well that url i just pasted has a potential work around.. but it is a bit old.. and for  a totally different disrto. :)
[21:17] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: ill try it
[21:17] <BUGabundo> I swapoff one of my files and was almost at OOM
[21:17] <BUGabundo> damn
[21:18] <BUGabundo> [ 2766.452226] chromium-browse[19489]: segfault at 40 ip 00007ff95f361e09 sp 00007fff0c9edff0 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0[7ff95f322000+134000]
[21:18] <dr_willis> Put the swap file on your UbuntuOne account. :)
[21:19] <BUGabundo> what the.....
[21:19] <BUGabundo> [  545.323741] exe (3274): /proc/3274/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/3274/oom_score_adj instead.
[21:19] <BUGabundo> [ 1116.630373] SGI XFS with ACLs, security attributes, realtime, large block/inode numbers, no debug enabled
[21:19] <BUGabundo> [ 1116.632418] SGI XFS Quota Management subsystem
[21:19] <BUGabundo> [ 1116.644036] JFS: nTxBlock = 8192, nTxLock = 65536
[21:19] <BUGabundo> [ 1116.681329] NTFS driver 2.1.30 [Flags: R/O MODULE].
[21:19] <BUGabundo> [ 1116.697993] QNX4 filesystem 0.2.3 registered.
[21:19] <BUGabundo> dr_willis: LOOOOOL
[21:19] <rww> lolwat QNX4
[21:20] <dr_willis> I rember QNX...
[21:20] <dr_willis> :)
[21:20] <dr_willis> I just cant find a lot on putting a swap on a network share.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude install  kmod-loop  losetup
[21:22] <BUGabundo> I forgot.... I don't have APT anymore
[21:24] <dr_willis> !info dwww
[21:24] <dr_willis> that was a 'reccomends' for synaptic i just now reinstalled....   never heard of that one befor
[21:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:24] <yofel> it essentially lets you view manpages and other docs in a browser
[21:25] <yofel> I *think* that runs on some debian.org server too, can't remember the URL
[21:25] <dr_willis> its pulling in apache it seems. :)
[21:25] <rww> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ exists too :)
[21:27] <dr_willis> theres often all theese docs.. all hidden away... :)
[21:27] <dr_willis> dwww is interesting at least...
[21:27] <dr_willis> gave me a -->  http://cowbuntu/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/xterm/xterm.faq.html?type=html
[21:28] <BUGabundo> $ sudo mount -o loop /dev/loop0 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4
[21:28] <BUGabundo> cpu lock!!! OMG
[21:28] <BUGabundo>      1         3.01s         0.45s       23628K         620K           0K           0K          ?          ?        69%       mount
[21:29] <dr_willis> gee  even with dwww - the info pages look... terriable.. :)
[21:29]  * dr_willis throws water on BUGabundo 's cpu.
[21:30] <BUGabundo>  sudo  losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4
[21:30] <BUGabundo> does nothing
[21:35] <BUGabundo> $ cat /proc/swaps
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[21:35] <BUGabundo> /var/local/swapfile2                    file		2097140	26620	-1
[21:35] <BUGabundo> /dev/loop0                              partition	11263996	0	-2
[21:35] <BUGabundo> thank you dr_willis
[21:38] <BUGabundo> now I need to translate this to ftab
[21:42] <BUGabundo> funny thing is, I don't see  the loop mount on mtab
[21:44] <dr_willis> old skool docs helped eh...
[21:44] <dr_willis> I dont knwo a lot.. but i know how to googles the nets!
[21:46] <BUGabundo> :)


[04:41] <edgy> hi, what's the meta package to install ubuntu-server?
[05:13] <BentFranklin> Setting up postfix.  Confused about the FQDN.  I don't have a domain.  Just use hostname?
[05:17] <SpamapS> BentFranklin: yeah that should be fine
[05:17] <BentFranklin> Thansk
[05:18] <SpamapS> BentFranklin: tho thats no good for real usage.. you will want a static hostname at some point otherwise your headers will raise flags on spam filters among other problems.
[05:21] <Hoyt> hi, what's the right way to change keyboard layout in console ?
[05:21] <Hoyt> I mean, configure it, not by loadkeys
[10:43] <JadedFunk> If I'm wanting to access my shared folder (vmware workstation) using apache, should I be using a hard symlink to achieve this?
[12:04] <jgcampbell300> hello, is there software out there that would allow me to install a server say in my living room that is hooked to a sound system and then play music from any computer on my network using the servers sound system
[12:39] <jgcampbell300> can anyone tell me what it means when i run lshw -class network and it tells me network:0 unclaimed
[12:52] <jgcampbell300> anyone here ?
[13:30] <jgcampbell300> anyone here ?
[13:31] <jgcampbell300> http://paste.kde.org/539360/ haveing some trouble with a driver ... can anyone assist
[19:41] <TheLordOfTime> is there documentation on how to set up a local archive mirror?
[19:42] <TheLordOfTime> not a public one, just a private one for a company i'm consulting with
[20:57] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: $ sudo apt-get install apt-cacher-ng


[00:46] <doctormo> BiosElement: Oh now that my eyes are muddled with Richard III, even though it's new (1995) and set in the 1920s period then included the same language of the imortal bard.
[00:46] <doctormo> Ah Netflix, you may be a bastard online, but your DVDs I do love.
[00:47] <Raidsong> moonlight 2 is out
[00:47] <Raidsong> you can watch flix of the net variety now
[00:47] <doctormo> Raidsong: And yet still my declaration remainds. What say you?
[00:48] <Raidsong> the moonlight2 plugin for browser of mozilla allowith you to run silverlight
[00:49] <Raidsong> and the plugin that tricks netflix into thinking you run a different variety of browser tricks it into letting it play
[00:51] <doctormo> Raidsong: Why use tricks? To get it working is good for my users, but perhaps not good for the future.
[00:51] <Raidsong> you have to use tricks its not available for linux users
[00:52] <Raidsong> we have been cast aside by the silverlight of the microsoft empire
[01:49] <doctormo> Raidsong: Our aside is not their aside, we don't care for their scraps and to beg at their heal for them.
[01:58] <Raidsong> but my only other option is to watch them in the gray area of the law
[02:04] <doctormo> Raidsong: For you as a person no, but for us as a community? Be careful which behaviours you would teach others as correct and sensible, you may find that they are quite disagreeable when everyone performs in that way.
[02:04] <Raidsong> i have asked netflix to reconsider how they choose to show movies online
[02:05] <Raidsong> i have wrote a considerable amount of email regarding the subject at hand
[02:05] <Raidsong> but they believe firmly that silverlight is the way to go
[02:08] <Raidsong> doctormo, so while i have a netflix account i watch the movies they offer online on other sites willing to stream them. I do not believe i should be discriminated against do to my choice in operating systems.
[02:14] <doctormo> Raidsong: I agree and yet you are. Be careful on your salt march.


[15:23] <jmd1234090> hello
[15:23] <jmd1234090> does any1 happen to use jboss2
[15:23] <jmd1234090> ????
[15:25] <man-di> why would one want to use such an old jboss version?
[20:14] <calc> i get this weird error when building a package in javadoc section, does anyone know what might be the cause?
[20:14] <calc>   [javadoc] gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.ParseException: Illegal class or package name '/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.2-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/lib/rt.jar'
[20:18] <man-di> bad encoding perhaps
[20:20] <calc> man-di: is that in the package or something wrong with the rt.jar?
[20:23] <man-di> in the code you wanna process
[20:26] <calc> it looks like it dies before it even gets that far
[20:26] <calc> i pastebin the full output
[20:26] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3266/
[20:34] <man-di> calc: are you trying to build an existing package?
[20:34] <calc> is there a way to enable debugging of some sort to find out what is wrong with the code?
[20:34] <calc> sort of, i am modifying the rules file to not use classpath anymore along with using ant to get it into main
[20:35] <calc> it is libcommons-lang-java
[20:35] <man-di> calc: I still thing the encoding of the input files is wrong
[20:35] <calc> hmm maybe so, is there an easy way to see which files it is using for javadoc?
[20:35] <calc> or have it spit out which file it looked at and didn't like?
[20:35] <calc> it previously worked before i mangled the rules file
[20:36] <man-di> 2.3-2 builds fine here on current debian sid
[20:36] <man-di> it worked before you changed something?
[20:36] <man-di> change this back
[20:36] <calc> yea but i am having to mangle it to get it into main and i don't know what i am doing :-\
[20:36] <man-di> ;-)
[20:36] <calc> if i change it back it can't go into main as is
[20:37] <man-di> show me your debdiff?
[20:37] <calc> since it pulls in stuff that the archive admins don't want in main
[20:37] <calc> ok
[20:37] <man-di> if okay I can include the patch in debian
[20:38] <calc> oh i am sure it is still way broken right now i am going from libcommons-collections3 rules file modifying as i went
[20:38] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3267/
[20:38] <calc> and it died in the build phase of javadoc so i didn't finish modifying it yet
[20:39] <man-di> yeah, the libcommons-collections3-java rules file needs to be cleaned up too
[20:40] <man-di> please use DEB_UPSTREAM_VERION defined by cdbs
[20:40] <calc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-lang-java/+bug/176953 <- in response to this bug
[20:41] <calc> so essentially we just want to remove classpath
[20:41] <calc> from its build-dep
[20:41] <man-di> thats good, I want that too for Debian
[20:42] <calc> it looks like it builds except for javadoc
[20:42] <calc> which i don't know anything about so i don't know how to fix the issue
[20:42] <man-di> this whole package is full of crap
[20:46] <calc> want to repackage it? :-)
[20:46] <man-di> yes


[00:07] <ericus> toddc I have two profiles now under VLAN, how do I connect to one of them?
[00:09] <ericus> I only have Ethernet to choose from in the list of networks, not the vlans
[00:19] <toddc> ericus: looking for a guide but as I recall on ubuntu desktop the vlans are configured using netplan for each profile
[00:20] <toddc> ericus: you may need to test a bit I see no recent guides for vlan with 2 profiles
[00:21] <xatrix> Hi, can you advice ? how can i restart all services, which are marked as failed ? #systemctl --failed
[00:22] <leftyfb> xatrix: reboot
[00:22] <xatrix> :)))) yea, but i can't reboot it. Simply don't want to make 5 commands to restart
[00:22] <xatrix> i'm searching for a solution to restart only failed
[00:22] <ericus> toddc I'll dig into it, thanks!
[00:23] <toddc> ericus: odd that Mint network manager has vlans add into profile options https://www.sysorchestra.com/network-locations-with-multiple-vlans-on-linux-mint/
[00:23] <jhutchins> xatrix: It's probably a lot more work than just restarting them one by one.
[00:24] <xatrix> juanjoklive[m]: what if it will be 15 ?
[00:24] <leftyfb> if there's that many failed services, you've got bigger problems. Reboot
[00:25] <jhutchins> xatrix: Besides, you should probably figure out why things are failing.
[00:25] <jhutchins> xatrix: It sounds like something critical isn't working, and the rest of them can't start without it.
[00:25] <xatrix> i've changed a hostname, and seems like it depends on. so i'd like to restart em in one command
[00:26] <leftyfb> if you changed your hostname, reboot
[00:26] <xatrix> i can't :) no downtime is possible as for now :)
[00:26] <leftyfb> especially if it's DHCP and you care about it's hostname from the rest of the network
[00:26] <leftyfb> you have 15 services that are down and it's not currently in downtime?
[00:27] <leftyfb> a reboot would have been done by now
[00:27] <xatrix> ok. got it :) let's do it finally
[00:28] <ericus> toddc wish there was something like that in ubuntu
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> so, I have a small raspberry pi with a temperature sensor
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> I'd like to set up a small webpage that will display the current temp
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> what's the simplest way to do this?
[00:28] <bumblefuzz> apache?
[00:29] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for software recommendations.   # nginx or even python would be better for such a small task
[00:31] <jhutchins> bumblefuzz: On the other hand, there's a huge amount of information and support for just about anything you care to do with Apache.
[00:32] <leftyfb> apache would be complete overkill for displaying less than 5 characters
[00:32] <leftyfb> either way, software recommendations aren't really support
[00:35] <tomreyn> xatrix: totally the right decision to reboot. if you wanted to restart multiple failed services: sudo systemctl --state failed --type service --no-legend | awk '{print $1}' | xargs echo systemctl restart
[00:35] <tomreyn> (this only prints the command you'd need to run)
[00:37] <xatrix> tomreyn: my appreciate...
[00:40] <leftyfb> tomreyn: that doesn't quite work for me
[00:41] <xatrix> xargs echo systemctl restart -> xargs sudo systemctl restart
[00:41] <xatrix> and it works
[00:42] <tomreyn> leftyfb: maybe you have none failed. you can test with "--state running"
[00:42] <leftyfb> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/6iql
[00:43] <leftyfb> see the problem?
[00:43] <tomreyn> try adding --plain, does that remove the ● ?
[00:43] <leftyfb> yep
[00:43] <leftyfb> that would fix it
[00:44] <leftyfb> I question if it caught all of the 15 services for that person
[00:44] <tomreyn> hopefully there weren't 15 after reboot
[00:45] <leftyfb> I doubt they rebooted
[00:57] <Guest2447> hello guys
[01:08] <Guest2447> i have rst intel mode on but i wanna do dual boot with windows you guys have any solutiotn
[01:10] <leftyfb> Guest2447: https://help.ubuntu.com/rst/
[01:10] <leftyfb> good luck with that
[01:17] <Kenrin> I love that page it's pretty much "Either it works or doesn't and you disable it"
[01:18] <leftyfb> if you ask me, just get a proper SSD and forget about RST
[01:51] <LordDragon> is 22.10 considering the bleeding edge version?
[01:52] <LordDragon> aka, the most likely to have breakage on apps that arent updated frequently by the devs?
[01:52] <toddc> LordDragon: sort of  testing short term support    22.04 LTS is recommended for most users
[01:53] <LordDragon> i see why now :)
[01:54] <LordDragon> i just assumed the LTS was more about servers/professionals etc and not so much as big a deal for every-day desktop needs
[01:55] <LordDragon> well, no way to downgrade now lol. so i guess 22.10 it is
[01:55] <toddc> LTS long term support --- better tested stable both desktop and server
[01:55]  * LordDragon nods
[01:56] <LordDragon> as i am more comfy with linuxy ways i wanted to try a native debian install and build up my own distro but mannnn I missed the luxurious of that ubuntu base goodness :)
[01:57] <LordDragon> i was having weird issues with my 22.04.1 though and thought the best way to resolve it was to upgrade to 22.10. it DID fix those issues. but now certain 3rd party apps arent happy. heh
[01:57] <toddc> I did the distro hop a logn time ago and ended up back here
[01:58] <LordDragon> toddc: it really is a great balance between features that make things more comfortable but also being pretty efficient in terms of process count
[01:58] <LordDragon> toddc: nice name btw. same here :D
[03:48] <sukhman> hello guys i'm trying to dual boot with windows 11 but windows 11 does not work with AHCI and if I try to disable that option ubunt doesn't work then
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | sukhman
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | sukhman see also
[03:49] <sukhman> lotuspsychje i tried to follow that but i still geting error
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> sukhman: maybe pastebin the error you having in the channel, so volunteers can think along with you
[03:55] <sukhman> i can't access any pastebin without any operating system
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> sukhman: ok, so describe take over your error manualy, mention your ubuntu release, the more info you provide to the channel, the better volunteers can help
[03:58] <sukhman> lotuspsychje right now i have no operating system installed on my pc but for ubuntu version it is just the the latest release ubutnu have right now
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> sukhman: 22.04 or 22.10? and at wich point do you get an error saying what exaclty?
[04:00] <sukhman> it's 22.04
[04:02] <sukhman> just before i tri to select my partition it says' to turn off my rts mode but when i do that neither windows nor ubuntu boots up
[04:04] <sukhman> simply, how can i make my windows and ubuntu work on ASHI modhe
[04:04] <sukhman> mode*
[04:07] <arraybolt3> sukhman: What is ASHI mode?
[04:07] <arraybolt3> ASCII?
[04:08] <arraybolt3> Oh, wait, I see. Intel RST. Lemme find the page on how to work around that problem.
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> think he means AHCI arraybolt3
[04:10] <sukhman> I'm sorry guys i mistyped that
[04:11] <arraybolt3> sukhman: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-with-intel-r-rst-enabled/15347
[04:17] <ravage> Windows and Ubuntu are both perfectly able to use AHCI. It is the standard way to communicate with your storage controller
[04:18] <ravage> If it doesn't work on your windows installation check for a driver for your motherboard
[04:18] <ravage> If you don't have a working operation system installed disable RST before you install anything
[04:23] <arraybolt3> ravage: I think he has working Windows on RST and is trying to disable RST without wrecking Windows so he can install Ubuntu alongside.
[04:23] <ravage> so the problem isnt Ubuntu. Good luck :D
[04:24] <arraybolt3> Well the problem is directly caused because he's trying to use Ubuntu, so it's kind of Ubuntu. The link I shared has instructions on how to wrangle the Windows side of things.
[04:24] <ravage> 5:30 is too early for kind of Ubuntu for me
[04:24] <ravage> i need a coffee
[05:08] <lord_daemon> does anyone know streaming software like vlc but that records only when motion is detected?
[05:08] <pizzadelivery> iSpy
[05:09] <pizzadelivery> https://www.ispyconnect.com/
[05:34] <mister_m> Hi - I've previously installed a program with apt, but I uninstalled it and built a newer version from source. I see a duplicate icon in the activities screen search results. How do I remove the duplicate I no longer want? Does that mean I didn't actually uninstall it with apt remove?
[05:35] <mister_m> looks like the package didn't get removed I must have typed the name wrong
[05:52] <arraybolt3> How do I do a manual fsck run if a hard reboot ends up requiring it? My mom's laptop it booting to a busybox prompt, and if I try to boot it by mounting /dev/sda1 to /root, I see an e2fsck failure with an error code of 8. Then Ubuntu proceeds to boot properly. I figure I shouldn't ignore this.
[05:53] <arraybolt3> (I've never used fsck before :P)
[05:55] <ravage> did you run fsck from the busybox?
[05:55] <arraybolt3> Not yet, that's what I'm asking how to do.
[05:55] <arraybolt3> I notice it looks ilke it tried to run automatically and failed.
[05:55] <ravage> fsck.ext4 -y /dev/sda1
[05:57] <arraybolt3> Looks like that did it!
[05:57] <arraybolt3> (Though I chickened out and didn't use the -y since I remembered I think that meant "yes to all", and then ended up answering Y myself to everything :P)
[05:58] <ravage> 👍
[05:58] <ravage> i always hit y anyway
[05:59] <arraybolt3> Nice, now it's booting straight to a GUI and not to Busybox. Yay!
[05:59] <arraybolt3> Thank you!
[06:41] <arun> ji
[06:51] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, i have booted live ubuntu on my laptop, i need to run a program that needs to be installed first, its sysbench, doing sudo apt-get install sysbench fails
[06:52] <silv3r_m00n> how can i install a few small packages in live mode and use them
[06:53] <alkisg> silv3r_m00n: what's the failure message? Put the whole terminal output to pastebin
[06:53] <silv3r_m00n> "E: Unable to locate package sysbench"
[06:54] <silv3r_m00n> i tried doing sudo apt-get update as well
[06:54] <alkisg> Try: sudo add-apt-repository universe
[06:54] <alkisg> Then update, then install
[06:54] <silv3r_m00n> let me check
[06:55] <silv3r_m00n> alkisg: thanks, it worked :)
[06:55] <alkisg> 👍
[07:43] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, i am running sysbench memory test on multiple system, most systems have values ranging from 6000-800 MiB/s transfer speed. but one asus laptop (ddr4 a6gb ram) is reporting extremely low transfer speed of only 300 MiB/s
[07:43] <silv3r_m00n> any idea how to correct this ?
[08:07] <arraybolt3> Agh, I just missed him.
[08:07] <arraybolt3> silv3r_m00n: Ah, there you are.
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:08] <arraybolt3> silv3r_m00n: In answer to your question earlier, the problem may be that the system has 6 GB of RAM.
[08:08] <silv3r_m00n> arraybolt3 hi, sorry got dc. the asus tuf a17 has 16 gb ddr4 ram and works good
[08:08] <arraybolt3> silv3r_m00n: It's possible that your system is only using the RAM in single-channel mode, since 6 GB indicates that you have mismatched RAM sticks. Installing two matching sticks may correct the problem.
[08:09] <arraybolt3> Oh wait so the laptop in question has 16 GB?
[08:09] <silv3r_m00n> its 8G+8G , 3200 MT/s as reported by dmidecode
[08:09] <silv3r_m00n> yup
[08:09] <arraybolt3> Oh. Well then in that instance, I dunno why it's behaving slowly.
[08:09] <arraybolt3> If somehow it's stick in single-channel mode, that might explain it.
[08:10] <arraybolt3> But otherwise, I mean... I dunno, what happens if you disable the swapfile and then run the test?
[08:10] <silv3r_m00n> its live ubuntu, did not try doing that. also ram is mostly free
[08:10] <silv3r_m00n> now i am trying the same test on fedora
[08:11] <arraybolt3> Hmm, if it's live, then it's probably not a swapfile at fault then.
[08:11] <silv3r_m00n> lets see what happens
[08:11] <silv3r_m00n> WEIRD. even on Fedora the same problem
[08:11] <silv3r_m00n> transfer speed comes to around 296.37 MiB/s, whereas it should be somewhere around 7000 MiB/s
[08:11] <hiya> https://apps.gnome.org/en/app/com.belmoussaoui.Authenticator/
[08:11] <arraybolt3> It's almost certainly hardware-related then, unless somehow the hardware is having incompatibilities with the Linux kernel.
[08:12] <hiya> Is this app available on Ubuntu other than flatpak? The latest version?
[08:12] <arraybolt3> silv3r_m00n: What version of Ubuntu are you using to do this test?
[08:13] <silv3r_m00n> its all latest, 22.10
[08:13] <silv3r_m00n> and fedora also latest ... 36 or whatever
[08:13] <silv3r_m00n> downloaded isos yesterday only
[08:13] <hiya> silv3r_m00n: nope, I don't think it is
[08:13] <arraybolt3> hiya: I doubt that the latest version is available, but I see a version in the apt archives.
[08:14] <hiya> arraybolt3: the one I got on 22.10 doesn't support encrypted imports
[08:14] <hiya> :(
[08:14] <hiya> I think I need to get flatpak as well
[08:14] <hiya> is there any other app that might work?
[08:15] <arraybolt3> The one I use is Keysmith but it's very basic, and also is installed via Flatpak...
[08:15] <hiya> so basically flatpak is needed only?
[08:15] <hiya> i thought we have Snap in Ubuntu
[08:15] <arraybolt3> We do, but not all apps are put in the Snap store by the developers. It would be worth looking though, lemme see...
[08:17] <arraybolt3> I don't see gnome-authenticator or keysmith in the Snap store.
[08:17] <hiya> yes
[08:18] <hiya> I think I need to export a plain version from the app then
[08:19] <hiya> Ubuntu must use the latest version it was released in June 2022
[08:20] <arraybolt3> Not necessarily. June 2022 sounds like it was probably *after* Ubuntu 22.10's Feature Freeze, which is when we mostly stop adding new versions of stuff into the OS so that we can get things stabilized.
[08:20] <arraybolt3> Plus, if no one packages a new version of an application for Debian or Ubuntu, it doesn't make it.
[08:22] <hiya> arraybolt3: hmm i get it, which version of Virtualbox to install on 22.10? https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> the one from repos?
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox
[08:23] <hiya> 7.0isn't
[08:23] <arraybolt3> hiya: If you must have the latest version, I'd use the one that's closest to 22.10, that being the one for 22.04.
[08:23] <hiya> ok i see
[08:24] <arraybolt3> hiya: And while I'd usually say "use the version in the repo", since VirtualBox in Ubuntu is in the Universe archive, (which doesn't get reliable security updates), I would favor the latest version from upstream over the version in the archives in this case.
[08:25] <arraybolt3> Or use QEMU.
[08:28] <hiya> arraybolt3: ok nice
[08:38] <Diagon> I've got 22.04 installed on my laptop, but on boot I get to a blank screen (cursor in upper left).  A-C-F2 gives me a terminal.  journalctl -b is here: http://sprunge.us/w9SwA7
[08:38] <Diagon> Anyone have thoughts on what I might try to get my desktop?
[08:43] <Maltergate> Hi everyone. I came here to request some of your help. I noted that the MuseScore Snap package (available on the snap store) is outdated and contains the DEV version. I would like to contact the snap maintainer to flag this up and offer help. However, despite what is written on the snap description, it is not MuseScore dev team that maintains the
[08:43] <Maltergate> snap, it is someone else. Hence my question: is it possible to track down the owner/publisher of a snap package ? Thanks.
[08:53] <alkisg> Any idea what could cause around 10 files to have future dates, either logs or under /var?
[08:53] <alkisg> # ls -l /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available
[08:53] <alkisg> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 18  2320 /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: an idea for a test could be booting a previous kernel to compare
[09:23] <Diagon> This is a new install, lotuspsychje.  Would that still be something I should try?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: so you never booted on this fresh install?
[09:24] <Diagon> I've never gotten to a desktop, no.  I've worked my way through a couple of half-way boots.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> half way?
[09:25] <Diagon> Dropped into initramfs.  Dropped into a console using C-A-F2.
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:25] <Diagon> updated initramfs, grub
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: what kind of graphics on your system?
[09:26] <Diagon> Thinkpad T530.  Optimus (iGPU & Nvidia).
[09:26] <Diagon> I told it to install proprietary drivers during the install
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> nvidia doesnt like wayland too much yet Diagon so xorg boot for nvidia or intel on wayland
[09:26] <Diagon> Ah, I see ...
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> you could also try a !nomodeset
[09:27] <Diagon> Oh, so how to I get from the console where I'm located now, to running X instead of wayland?
[09:27] <Diagon> (Would it be the same with the nouveau drivers?)
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> wayland is now default on 22.04 Diagon
[09:27] <Diagon> !nomodeset is a kernel parameter?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset
[09:27] <Diagon> check
[09:28] <Diagon> Ok, I put that in my /etc/defaults/grub, yes?
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[09:28] <Diagon> tty
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: /etc/default/grub edit with admin then save file, and sudo update-grub and reboot
[09:30] <Diagon> Ok, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX - I'm adding !nomodeset
[09:39] <Diagon> lotuspsychje / no go.    C-A-F2 into a console.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: can you check; dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> see if you got other kernels besides -53
[09:55] <Diagon> ya, I've got -43 (lotuspsychje)
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> lets try to boot that one just to see Diagon
[09:55] <Diagon> K
[09:58] <Diagon> Same ...
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: can you press F1 at your early boot, to perhaps see at wich point things get stuck?
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> (to see textboot)
[10:02] <Diagon> I've got text streaming out.  Is that what you're looking for?
[10:02] <Diagon> At the end of which I've got a black screen with a cursor in the upper left
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: usualy we see cursor black screens at early boot with problems around secureboot/fastboot
[10:04] <Diagon> secureboot is off.  Not sure what fastboot is.
[10:05] <Diagon> I wasn't able to figure out what "!nomodeset" is doing.
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> you didnt type !nomodeset in your grub i hope Diagon
[10:06] <Diagon> How do I turn of wayland, since you let me know that would be a problem with this gpu
[10:06] <Diagon> I did!
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset
[10:06] <Diagon> Ah.
[10:06] <Diagon> I checked that link. Nothing there about nomodeset.
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> its in the factoid link
[10:07] <Diagon> What was ubottu on about "But 'nomodeset' already means something else!"
[10:08] <Diagon> Arch says I might need i915.modeset=0 nouveau.modeset=0 also (bottom of page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting )
[10:11] <Diagon> Ok.  I added all three of those, and it worked....
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> great Diagon
[10:12] <Diagon> But ... am I running wayland?
[10:12] <Diagon> Or did I just turn off KMS?
[10:31] <Diagon> lotuspsychje / thanks for your help.  If you have a moment to tell me ^^^, I'd appreciate it.  Otherwise, g'night.
[10:35] <tomreyn> Diagon: hi. is your question just "am i running wayland"?
[10:36] <Diagon> Right.  lotuspsychje was saying that nvidia wouldn't run under wayland.  then he suggested nomodeset etc., and it worked.  But that doesn't get rid of wayland, right?  So what's the story with nvidia and wayland.
[10:36] <tomreyn> if so, open a termial and type: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[10:37] <Diagon> ah, I see.  it says x11.  Was that due to the nomodeset ...??
[10:37] <tomreyn> no, wether or not you use wayland is a choice you make at the time you're logging in. but what is available to login to may depend on what the graphics driver can handle
[10:38] <Diagon> ah.  I'm starting to grok it!  :)
[10:38] <tomreyn> !nvidia
[10:39] <tomreyn> there's now a third option, but it may be too early for this: nvidia-driver-...-open
[10:40] <tomreyn> those drivers are developed by the nvidia company and are going to be open source, which should make them much better integratable into the kernel.
[10:40] <tomreyn> but they are pretty new and the nvidia company calls them alpha quality
[10:41] <tomreyn> so right now, you probably want A or B from ubottu's list.
[10:42] <tomreyn> the later proprietary drivers as well as the nvidia-...-open ones should be compatible to wayland... to a degree.
[10:42] <tomreyn> i assume nouveau is not, but not sure there
[10:42] <tomreyn> Diagon: does this answer your questions?
[10:44] <Diagon> tomreyn - that helps.  In the past with these machines I've just used iGPU, so I'm going to have to try a few things.
[10:44] <Diagon> But I do have one more question.
[10:45] <Diagon> The mouse is very laggy on this machine now.  I assume I have to understand the GPU and its software better.  Ideas?
[10:46] <tomreyn> Diagon: doyou know which graphics driver is currently in use?
[10:47] <tomreyn> there is yet another driver, a very compatible but very limited fallback driver called "vesa", which works for most graphics cards. if you're currently using that this would explain why it's slow.
[10:47] <Diagon> Not sure.  BOIS is set on optimus, so I don't know which one it would have picked.
[10:47] <tomreyn> can you run this can post the URL that is printed:   lspci -knnd ::0300 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:49] <Diagon> https://termbin.com/r1w2
[10:49] <Diagon> I must say that switching to a dark theme has massively improved the laggyness.
[11:06] <Diagon> tomreyn ^^^^^^^
[11:09] <Sircle> This does not works despite rubberband-cli. Any tips? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1157603/kdenlive-speed-up-the-audio-and-video-without-losing-pitch
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: optimus hybrid cards need to be set via nvidia-prime powersaving vs performance mode
[11:10] <tomreyn> Diagon: sorry about that, i'm on the phone, bbl
[11:10] <Diagon> :thumbs-up: lotuspsychje
[11:10] <Diagon> NP tomreyn
[13:20] <squarecircle> hello. Is there a possibility to run the gnome games on a windows machine?
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> squarecircle: you can fire up an ubuntu VM on windows and play from there
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> squarecircle: a lot of games from the ubuntu repos are also provided opensource and for several Oses on the maintainers website
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> (or snaps too)
[13:29] <squarecircle> lotuspsychje: sadly, not a techie user, and running a VM is to complicated
[13:29] <granrojo> Hi, if I disable lightdm as service will I get my login option from the tty at boot? Thanks
[13:30] <squarecircle> lotuspsychje: would be easier to run Ubuntu itself, if MS Office would run
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> squarecircle: also possible, ubuntu uses libreoffice you can do compatible work with MS office, or try Ms office with wine/playonlinux
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:48] <granrojo> BluesKaj: Hey
[13:49] <BluesKaj> hey granrojo
[14:08] <granrojo> If I disable the lightdm serice will a get a TTY with the login option at boot?
[14:16] <xx> granrojo: yes
[14:19] <ogra> granrojo, you should not need to stop lightdm for this though ... crtl-alt-(f2-f7) should get you a CLI login prompt too
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> maybe granrojo wants no GUI login anymore?
[14:22] <granrojo> ogra: I want to get a tty login everythime I boot instead of the lightm login (or any greeter)
[14:24] <xx> you can uninstall lightdm then, but be careful about it being a dependency for something else
[14:24] <xx> (I currently run without lightdm and start xfce using startx instead)
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> xx: but startx is not really the way to go anymore these days?
[14:25] <leftyfb> granrojo: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-enable-gui-on-boot-in-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux-desktop
[14:26] <xx> lotuspsychje: xfce doesn't support wayland, so startx is the way
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> xx: but granrojo didnt mention his ubuntu release and flavour yet
[14:29] <xx> they are using lightdm, so it's not gonna be gnome or kde
[14:30] <xx> by process of elimination it is most likely xfce or lxde
[14:30] <leftyfb> xx: you know previous releases of ubuntu with gnome used lightdm right?
[14:30] <xx> and those previous releases did not use wayland
[14:30] <leftyfb> either way, we're arguing about a use case that was never mentioned by the OP and I've already given them the correct answer
[14:32] <granrojo> thanks leftyfb I just dont understand very well whats multi user target when I read about it
[14:33] <leftyfb> granrojo: Don't just skim it for commands you can copy and paste. Read it in full. It has explanations.
[14:34] <granrojo> leftyfb: yes but the detail I forgot to mention wsa that Im on xfce
[14:34] <leftyfb> granrojo: that shouldn't matter
[14:35] <leftyfb> granrojo: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user
[14:35] <leftyfb> granrojo: that will disable the GUI at boot
[14:37] <leftyfb> granrojo: if you're looking for how to start xfce (a question you haven't asked), run: startxfce4
[14:37] <leftyfb> all of this I found on google for you btw
[14:37] <leftyfb> https://r00t4bl3.com/post/how-to-install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts
[14:39] <granrojo> leftyfb: Well evryghin is on google right :p
[14:40] <leftyfb> granrojo: only if you look
[14:41] <granrojo> leftyfb: and understand
[14:41] <leftyfb> granrojo: why did you install a DE on your machine if you don't want to use it? Why not just install server?
[14:42] <granrojo> leftyfb: Because I want a dektop environment
[14:43] <granrojo> leftyfb: I want to see if login without a greeter may speed up the boot process and also becuase I like the look of a tty login
[14:44] <leftyfb> granrojo: doing it in this way will not speed up your boot process
[14:45] <granrojo> leftyfb: ok thats good to know, thanks
[15:11] <MountainManTech> Hello everyone
[15:11] <MountainManTech> I am trying to export a bunch of unable to locate package messages from apt. I am doing sudo sh bash-script.sh >> log.txt. However only the first 3 lines are exported without listing any of the packages that apt is unable to locate. What am I doing wrong here?
[15:13] <leftyfb> MountainManTech: bash bash-script 2>&1 >> log.txt
[15:14] <Jeremy31> MountainManTech: apt doesn't work well with that
[15:20] <MountainManTech> Is there an alternative?
[15:21] <leftyfb> apt-get
[15:21] <jhutchins> MountainManTech: How about addressing the cause of the missing packages instead?
[15:21] <MountainManTech> That's what I am trying to figure out. I want the full list of the missing packages in a log.txt file to review and address the issue.
[15:26] <bpaster> https://bpa.st/DYIA can anyone help
[15:27] <leftyfb> bpaster: with what?
[15:27] <leftyfb> bpaster: where are you trying to run "quit" and why? What makes you think that is a valid command?
[15:28] <bpaster> i will forever live in the matrix
[15:28] <leftyfb> bpaster: trolling is offtopic here. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:41] <polarwwf> hello
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome polarwwf
[16:49] <Umeaboy> Hi! I know that this is not the channel for Ubports, but I was wondering what IRC server I might find a channel for it. I'm looking to translate it on the Weblate platform, but I can't seem to find where to go to start translating it since Swedish seems to be locked for translations and yet there is no progress made. I checked their website, but couldn't find any information about a channel on IRC.
[16:49] <Umeaboy> Should I connect to OFTC?
[16:54] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: are you referring to ubuntu on arm?
[16:55] <Umeaboy> leftyfb: If that's the old name for Ubports then yes.
[16:55] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: if so, try #ubuntu-arm
[16:55] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: ubuntu-ports is sort of a broad term to cover several categories. Maybe pick 1
[16:56] <cartdrige> Like the rasp PI version which is arm64 in fact, but with maybe few special adaptations/drivers.
[17:04] <Umeaboy> I long til there will be a Raspberry Pi with at least 16 GB of memory (physically on the board) out in public. I think I've read somewhere that it is coming, but I don't know if it's true though.
[17:06] <tomreyn> !ubports
[17:06] <Umeaboy> For instance when you build an OS today compared to 10 years ago you need at least 16 GB to manage under 1 day if it's possible even then.
[17:06] <leftyfb> !discus | Umeaboy
[17:06] <leftyfb> !discuss | Umeaboy
[17:39] <sshine> hello! I just installed alacritty, and when I click a link in my terminal to have firefox open it, I instead get a "Firefox is not responding" dialog. when I try to manually 'xdg-open https://...' or 'firefox --new-tab https://...', I get the same error. firefox is installed via snap. what could I explore to make links open?
[17:55] <greenracer> Am I missing something. Python3 was installed by default, but not pip?
[17:56] <leftyfb> greenracer: sudo apt install python3-pip
[17:56] <greenracer> leftyfb: okay, just making sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks.
[18:01] <Umeaboy> How soon will Ubiquity (The installer for Ubuntu) be updated with my new translations?
[18:02] <leftyfb> Umeaboy: contact the devs/maintainers you have been working with
[18:24] <alkisg> greenracer: python3 is necessary for ubuntu to run, while pip isn't, for most users; in many cases it's also preferred to use apt install python-xxx rather than pip install python-xxx, to avoid conflicts
[18:24] <greenracer> alkisg: thanks.
[18:25] <greenracer> Weird that Cuda isn't in apt but cuDNN is.
[18:52] <greenracer> I'm in a pickle. I've installed Ubuntu repo's cuda and latest tensorflow from pip, but those rely on me having Nvidia driver 520 installed. For some reason only 515 will work on my machine. Anyone have any idea what I should do?
[18:56] <manolis> b
[18:57] <manolis> Hello
[19:06] <jhutchins> greenracer: Upgrade the nvidia driver?  System backup first.
[19:07] <jhutchins> greenracer: It would be a little odd if the nvidia driver and the cuda package from the main official repositories were out of sync.  That might be a reportable bug if true.
[19:07] <greenracer> jhutchins: I just did. No luck. Now I've installed cuda from Nvidia and from apt and installed everything cuda or cuDNN related from apt. Now I'm thinking I need to format and start over.
[19:08] <greenracer> jhutchins: When I set up this machine, the 520 version would brick it on reboot.
[19:08] <greenracer> So I had to use 515. But now looks like the latest 520 version works.
[19:08] <greenracer> But that doesn't solve my cuda issues.
[19:09] <jhutchins> !info cuda
[19:19] <tomreyn> jhutchins: nvidia-cuda-toolkit may be the package you sought
[19:23] <pirat> РуддщHello
[19:45] <N9NU> can somone tell me what local (home acct) file controls the way Konsolel, Xterm, QTerminal,, etc. control...with respect to column spacing
[19:45] <Guest4894> U mean Terminal?
[19:45] <N9NU> can somone tell me what local (home acct) file controls the way Konsolel, Xterm, QTerminal,, etc. control...with respect to column spacingit's fine
[19:45] <Guest4894> Spacing of text, within the terminal?
[19:45] <N9NU> yeah
[19:45] <Guest4894> Check terminal settings
[19:45] <N9NU> ii ttried reset
[19:46] <N9NU> within .local or .config?
[19:48] <jhutchins> N9NU: Most text consoles don't respect colums.  Each line is independent of the previous one.
[20:04] <jpmh> I am a command line type use.  Just installed 22.04 on a new laptop - love it - I would like to be able to "map" the WINDOZE key to do other things.  Is there an easy command line way to do that?
[20:06] <N9NU> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1090646/how-to-remap-keys-in-ubuntu-18-04-gnome-shell
[20:07] <N9NU> xmodmap
[20:07] <N9NU> is your command
[20:07] <N9NU> or XbindKeys
[20:08] <N9NU> http://www.nongnu.org/xbindkeys/
[20:09] <oerheks> right windows key must be easy, left key is important.
[20:34] <delizin> Hello everyone. I'm trying to setup a new machine using Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS and GNOME 42.5. I'm doing a lot of operations that require root permission so I'm getting repeated "Authentication Required" popups. It is a huge hassle since I need to reenter my password multiple times per minute. How can I disable this popup for this session? I've tried visudo, but that only seems to affect it in terminal.
[20:35] <oerheks> sudo gives you a timespan of a few minutes
[20:36] <oerheks> if you what your terminal session to be root, start with; sudo -i
[20:37] <delizin> My terminal is good. I'm trying to get it to let me work from the Gnome interface without constant interruptions.
[20:38] <oerheks> no fix for that, sorry
[20:39] <jhutchins> delizin: One of the reasons this is not easy is because using GUI applications as root is usually a bad idea.  Unintendedn consequences can brick your system.
[20:40] <jhutchins> delizin: What kind of changes do you need to make?
[20:40] <delizin> Right now I'm going through testing a slew of new hard drives. Every test and each refresh requires me to reenter my password.
[20:41] <delizin> This is my first time using ubuntu with a GUI. Typically I just ssh and work from terminal so I was excited, but it is turning into way more of a hassle.
[20:42] <jhutchins> delizin: It seems very strange to be doing that from a GUI interface.  Wouldn't it be simpler to just use the Console tools that the GUI wrapper calls?
[20:42] <jhutchins> delizin: What tools are you using?
[20:43] <delizin> The SMART Data & Self-Tests from the "Disks" tool.
[20:44] <oerheks> multiple times per minute?
[20:45] <delizin> One to start the tool, one to start the test, and then another if I want to "refresh" to get the test results or check progress. It doesn't update automatically without refreshing.
[20:47] <delizin> Definitely seems like it will be easier to continue doing everything with the terminal instead which is disappointing to me.
[20:47] <ioria> delizin, are you fully updated ?
[20:48] <delizin> I am. This system is headless so I am connecting through xrdp if that makes a difference.
[20:49] <ioria> delizin, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:50] <delizin> Yup, all packages up to date and 0 upgraded/installed/removed
[20:50] <jhutchins> delizin: Filtering that through a GUI can interfere with any performance testing.
[20:54] <ioria> delizin, yep, i guess it makes a difference
[21:04] <greenracer> Okay, I have a brand new fresh install of 22.10. Anyone know the canonical way of installing CUDA accelerated tensorflow? I followed the google directions last time and ended up with wrong versions of everything.
[21:21] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[21:36] <MonsieurBon> I have two nfs mounts in /etc/fstab which do not get mounted on startup, but work perfectly, when I run mount -a. I already tried adding _netdev in fstab or adding a script in /etc/network/if-up.d which runs mount -a. But nothing worked. What else could I try?
[21:39] <tomreyn> MonsieurBon: your ubuntu version is? are you using non standard configurations or software which could be related?
[21:39] <leftyfb> MonsieurBon: https://sleeplessbeastie.eu/2019/09/23/how-to-mount-nfs-share-using-systemd/
[21:39] <tomreyn> have you reviewed you system logs, yet? is there a systemd unit for it?
[21:39] <greenracer> The google instructions to install tensorflow say to do this: `conda create --name tf python=3.9` But I have python 3.10 installed.
[21:42] <tomreyn> greenracer: if you'd like to file a bug report against https://www.tensorflow.org/install the right place to do so is probably https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/issues
[21:43] <greenracer> tomreyn: Is that a bug?
[21:43] <tomreyn> i don't know
[22:00] <greenracer> tomreyn: Ah, I see, conda is also an environment manager. That installed python 3.9
[22:01] <plt> Hello. Can someone take a look at this and tell me how I fix it please --> https://pastebin.com/SvMYgNRh
[22:01] <plt> Please?
[22:03] <leftyfb> plt: did you try doing what it told you to do?
[22:03] <oerheks> To address all issues, run: ...
[22:03] <plt> I get and I even use --force and that did not fix it
[22:04] <plt> Is there a command to check and fix any depencies issues?
[22:04] <nocny_stroz> hello, I have a problem with permissions in Ubuntu. Trying to use Watson and edit my last "frame" (https://tailordev.github.io/Watson/user-guide/commands/#edit) and get the answer: "/bin/sh: 1: sensible-editor: Permission denied
[22:05] <nocny_stroz> Error: sensible-editor: Editing failed!
[22:05] <nocny_stroz> using command "watson edit"
[22:05] <plt> What the heck?
[22:05] <plt> We need to get away from using the editors to config programs.
[22:06] <leftyfb> plt: that's what Windows is for
[22:06] <plt> That I just my feeling being a programmer for the past 35 years
[22:07] <plt> Sometimes there is a issue using text editors to config programs.
[22:07] <gry> nocny_stroz: what does 'sensible-editor ~/test' say?
[22:08] <gry> nocny_stroz: just as a quick test on a file that doesn't have permissions issues.
[22:08] <nocny_stroz> I can't use "sudo watson edit" because it's a different user
[22:08] <plt> Sometimes there is a issue using text editors to config programs.?
[22:09] <nocny_stroz> gry: it fires an editor
[22:09] <gry> nocny_stroz: ok, so that works.
[22:11] <tomreyn> nocny_stroz: sounds like "watson edit" (and therefore sensible-editor) is trying to edit a file you (your system user) does not have permission to edit
[22:11] <gry> nocny_stroz: do you know what file it is trying to edit for the watson thing?
[22:11] <plt> I am not going there. I got bigger issues to resolve please
[22:12] <gry> plt, here is a raw link to your paste without ads, https://pastebin.com/raw/SvMYgNRh
[22:13] <gry> plt, I would suggest to join #node.js channel and ask them for assistance.
[22:13] <plt> Sorry, I can help with the ads. I can post on my web site as plain text if you like?
[22:14] <gry> The link I gave is already plain text, plt, it is good to use
[22:14] <nocny_stroz> thank You, I think I will handle it :) https://tailordev.github.io/Watson/user-guide/configuration/
[22:14] <plt> How did you know the issue is just node.js issue?
[22:15] <gry> plt, looks like these dependencies are handled by npm, and npm is a part of node.js .
[22:15] <tomreyn> also https://blog.npmjs.org/post/163421115230/shutting-down-npm-irc.html
[22:15] <plt> Is all the errors js.node?
[22:16] <plt> 4 error messages
[22:17] <gry> plt, looks like it to me
[22:17] <plt> ok
[22:17] <plt> Is the other questions is the issue related to ubuntu not updating all the lib files?
[22:18] <plt> The developers not keeping all the lib files updated?
[22:18] <gry> i don't know what the issue is, i haven't used npm before, sorry
[22:19] <plt> ok
[22:19] <plt> This is giving me some hint on it watchpack  1.7.2 - 1.7.5
[22:26] <MonsieurBon_> leftyfb, thanks for the link about nfs and systemd. I had to adapt it slightly, but it works. I think at least part of the problem is that I use the hostname instead of the IP address.
[22:27] <leftyfb> No, the problem is you don’t have network fully started before trying to mount.
[22:28] <leftyfb> aaand, gone
[22:28] <MonsieurBon_> leftyfb, It did not work with the target network-online.target. I had to use nss-lookup.target. But well, it works now. Thx
[22:29] <plt> I miss the old days of the way the php developers wrote their install programs
[22:30] <plt> bbl
[22:30] <gry> plt, like these? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script#/media/File:MediaWiki_1.38.2_Config_script_2.png
[22:30] <gry> ttyl
[22:31] <plt> No, when all the files where under one directory and you just ran the /install/setup.php
[22:31] <gry> ah ok
[22:32] <plt> Scriptcase still does it
[22:32] <plt> When using scriptcase to write php application it does it that way.
[22:35] <plt> It's time for dinner.
[22:35] <tomreyn> !ot
[22:36] <gry> plt, when you're back, I've joined the offtopic channel, perhaps it will be interesting to continue there.
[22:39] <plt> Ok
[22:40] <plt> You welcome to join me in the channel #phil
[22:46] <plt> Cox.net customer. Hello
[22:47] <plt> amazoniantoad I am using the same ISP as you.
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> I've built a 40% keyboard and I need to remap some keys to key combinations. Is there a simple way to do this with ubuntu.
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> ?*
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> plt nice. I love cox.
[22:47] <plt> I never done that before amazoniantoad
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> oh
[22:48] <plt> Let me check something
[22:48] <oerheks> !keys
[22:48] <oerheks> oh, must be an old factoid
[22:48] <plt> Try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/24916/how-do-i-remap-certain-keys-or-devices
[22:48] <jhutchins> !xmodmap
[22:49] <plt> https://www.google.com/search?q=unubtu+remap+some+keys+to+key+combinations&sxsrf=ALiCzsatb1Z8yWmUjvT_4PUSpBJ0aj1Hyg%3A1668984493806&source=hp&ei=ra56Y8CBLv7W5NoPoIOWyAQ&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAY3q8vcf_giLEAgL-P9nLU5KxBKHJ44Ix&ved=0ahUKEwiAjIvf6737AhV-K1kFHaCBBUkQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=unubtu+remap+some+keys+to+key+combinations&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwghEKABEAo6BAgjECc6BQgAEJECOggILhCDARCxAzoICAAQgAQQ
[22:49] <plt> sQM6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARDRAzoOCC4QxwEQsQMQ0QMQgAQ6CAguELEDEIMBOg4ILhCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgUIABCABDoHCAAQgAQQCjoHCC4QgAQQCjoFCC4QgAQ6EwguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDEAo6CggAEIAEELEDEAo6DQgAEIAEELEDELEDEAo6BwgjELECECdQAFjBFmDmGWgAcAB4AIABYogBlgSSAQE4mAEAoAEBoAEC&sclient=gws-wiz
[22:49] <plt> https://liink
[22:49] <oerheks> please no google search urls, not really helpfull
[22:49] <plt> I will im it to you
[22:50] <oerheks> xmodmap it the tool to use, or xkeycaps
[22:50] <oerheks> !info xkeycaps
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> thanks guys
[22:51] <plt> Now it's time for me to get something to eat.
[22:51] <plt> You must be in the DC area to.
[22:51] <oerheks> no need to share this with the channel, thanks.
[22:52] <oerheks> !ot


[02:17] <Prad_> Hi Team - I have installed ubuntu server with php mysql
[02:19] <Prad_> now i m getting The requested URL /crm/locker/ was not found on this server.
[02:19] <Prad_> The first page to login comes
[02:19] <Prad_> but once i have logged on
[02:19] <Prad_> I get the above error
[02:19] <Prad_> Any help would be good
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[12:29] <tsimonq2> o/ dholbach
[12:35] <dholbach> hi tsimonq2
[12:43] <tsimonq2> dholbach: how are you today?
[12:44] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[12:48] <tsimonq2> pretty good :)