[12:00] <robotgeek> steven_, /etc/init.d/gdm stop , update-rc.d remove gdm
[12:00] <Neonlightning> i just got mine aswell
[12:00] <Night_Lord> go to edit>profiles
[12:00] <Davey> I was gonna give them away but now I'm not so sure :D
[12:00] <nickrud> steven_, there's the 'proper' way, and the shortcut. the shortcut is to rename /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm to K13gdm, and the proper way is to use invoke-rc.d
[12:00] <Night_Lord> select default, then click edit
[12:00] <weiers> MIK3MAN - do you ahve to configure or install?
[12:00] <Neonlightning> thats why i got 25 of them
[12:00] <Davey> I only got 6, 3 PPC and 3 x86 :(
[12:00] <Night_Lord> then go to effects, and set the transparency
[12:01] <Neonlightning> hey davey do you know how to add entries to /mnt/ in the liveboots
[12:01] <MIK3MAN> I just installed the latest java and azureus and I get this message < OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/bin/java = Error]
[12:01] <MIK3MAN> >
[12:01] <MrGardenHoseMan> ahhh thank you!
[12:01] <Night_Lord> Hope that  MrGardenHoseMan
[12:01] <Davey> Neonlightning: not a clue
[12:01] <stodge> Anyone else getting lots of lockups with Firefox 1.02?
[12:01] <stodge> And I mean *lots*
[12:01] <MIK3MAN> weiers: I installed 1.5 and it said successful
[12:01] <Neonlightning> Davey, damn i'm trying to use this livecd to try and move around my files from an old mandrake install
[12:01] <Night_Lord> i installed kde, but wanna get rid of it, do i have to uninstall each component seperately with apt-get?
[12:02] <Night_Lord> gonna try putting key repeats back on
[12:02] <The_Vox> stodge: I moved to using a firefox from mozilla's site instead of the packaged one...it's pretty damn broken.
[12:02] <stodge> It is? damn
[12:02] <weiers> Sorry MIK3MAN, I had a succesful install of Java earlier in the day, so I could have told you how to isntall, but I am not able to troubleshoot what you ask about. Sorry. Still learning as well.
[12:02] <stodge> The same is true for Epiphany, which may not be a real surprise
[12:02] <Night_Lord> DDDDDAMMMMMMMMNNNIIIITTTTT!!!!!!
[12:03] <Night_Lord> ddddddiddddnnnnn''''t     wwwwoorrrrrrkkkkk
[12:03] <Neonlightning> lol
[12:03] <Rugmonster> steven_: I'm going to try just make gdm and xdm in /etc/init.d none executable
[12:03] <Night_Lord> ttttthhhhhhiiiss       aaaaaiiiiiiin''''''''t    ffffffunnnnnnnnnnnnnny yyyooooouuuuuu     kkkkkknnnnoooooow
[12:03] <Neonlightning> do it seems
[12:03] <Night_Lord> deeeeesssssrrrrttttttt??//???????     aaaaaannnyyy      iddddeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaas?//////
[12:03] <Neonlightning> ok why not just keep key repeat off
[12:04] <MIK3MAN> weiers: no problem, anyone else help?? azuerus dont like my java and I got it off the azuerus site, and I followed their directions... anyone???
[12:04] <Night_Lord> bbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuttttttt       iiiiitttsssss     ccccoooooonnnnvvvvviiiiinnnnnnnnniiiiiieeeennntttt
[12:04] <Neonlightning> how often do you need it
[12:04] <seth_k> MIK3MAN, the only Java that's going to work is from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:04] <Night_Lord> ggggggggeeeeeeennnneeeeeeerrrrrraaaaalllllllllllyyy
[12:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> hmm it's only transparent to the desktop, not the browser like i hoped it to be :(
[12:04] <Night_Lord> hhhhhhmmmmmmmm.........      ttthhhheeeeeennnnnnn iuuuunnnnnnnnnoooooooo, sssssssssssooorrrrrryyyyyyyyy      ggggaaaaaarrrrrrrdddeeeeeeennnnnnhhhhhhhoooseeee
[12:04] <jurgonh_> What to do if i get this error message?: Package gstreamer-0.8 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gstreamer-0.8.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gstreamer-0.8' found configure: error: you need gstreamer development packages installed
[12:05] <stodge> God every third site I visit it hangs
[12:05] <MIK3MAN> I also tried synaptic and I cant install that way
[12:05] <othernoob> Night_Lord: you're not funny :p
[12:05] <meuserj|work> jurgonh_, install libgstreamer8.0-dev
[12:05] <Night_Lord> I'm not trying to be
[12:05] <Fidelio> robotgeek : you there?
[12:05] <Night_Lord> its a raly problem
[12:05] <jurgonh_> Thx..
[12:05] <Davey> who prints the CDs? I'd love to get some done up for my own stuff :D
[12:06] <NightLord> anyway, I don't find it amusing
[12:06] <NightLord> it always happens
[12:06] <Cooner750> ok. trying to resize my partition again
[12:06] <Cooner750> preying for no error..
[12:06] <Cooner750> of course. Right when I say it... "Error". Ugh
[12:07] <NightLord> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25574.html for unbelievers
[12:07] <Hunchback> evening, i have a question: how can i boot into an already installed ubuntu from the install cd? (yeah, windows overwrote the MBR and the grub diskette i created doesn't seem to work)
[12:07] <NightLord> make a live cd
[12:07] <kafeine> Davey, a large factory in the netherlands, if i remember correctly
[12:07] <Cooner750> "Error resizing/moving /dev/sda" or something like that
[12:08] <Hunchback> can't i use the install cd? other distro's have that ...
[12:08] <NightLord> then... i can't remembet exactly.. it involves using Chroot to mount the partition and install grub again
[12:08] <NightLord> You could reinstall and keep the partition data
[12:08] <NightLord> but then all custom settings go away
[12:08] <Hunchback> hmm
[12:08] <Hunchback> that's not good
[12:08] <Hunchback> bah
[12:08] <sputn1k> how to uninstall firefox??
[12:09] <Cooner750> I wish I could get my HD partitioned.... let me try QTParted
[12:09] <Hunchback> i just need to log into it so i can create a boot disk... :/
[12:09] <kolcvk> try to remove it from synaptic
[12:09] <kafeine> Cooner750, gparted is gtk+
[12:09] <sputn1k> from console i can't?
[12:09] <steven_> why do i get this when running update-rc.d gdm remove:   update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[12:09] <Hunchback> so there's no way to boot from the install cd?
[12:10] <kafeine> sputn1k, sudo apt-get remove firefox
[12:10] <NightLord> not that i know of
[12:10] <NightLord> sorry
[12:10] <steven_> should i use the f flag
[12:10] <stianj> what package in breezy has /usr/bin/xkbcomp these days?
[12:10] <stodge> Goddamit, going to have to revert to Fedora if this keeps up
[12:10] <NightLord> also: does anyone know, why, i jut rebooted ubuntu for the first time, and now whenever i select a menu, I have to hold the mouse button down, before i rebooted i just had to click
[12:10] <nickrud> Hunchback, maybe trying #4 in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47240 will work, on the face it looks ok.
[12:11] <Hunchback> nickrud: thanks, i will check it out now
[12:11] <NightLord> thats for kubuntu
[12:11] <robertj> there does need to be an apt-whereis filename
[12:12] <NightLord> yeah, hunchback
[12:12] <NightLord> thats what i did
[12:12] <CaptainMorgan> I having trouble getting IBM II ABG working on a Thinkpad, can someone point me in the right direction?
[12:13] <Hunchback> NightLord: it shouldn't be much different from normal ubuntu, right?
[12:13] <Hunchback> i mean kubutnu
[12:13] <Cooner750> is it just me, or does QTParted seem a little incomplete!?
[12:13] <stianj> what package in breezy has /usr/bin/xkbcomp these days?
[12:13] <CaptainMorgan> I ran Qt earlier today, seemed fine..
[12:14] <Cooner750> I mean the menus, like"&Resize"
[12:15] <derral_8> So breezy hasn't been officially release yet ?
[12:15] <kbrooks> derral_8: no
[12:15] <Rugmonster> derral_8: nope...my system is broke hard because of it
[12:15] <kbrooks> 3 more months or so
[12:15] <Rugmonster> derral_8: X won't start because of amissing font utility
[12:16] <derral_8> I'll stick with hoary
[12:16] <Cooner750> UGH! %^%$& error
[12:16] <Cooner750> How hard is it to resize a partition!?
[12:16] <Hunchback> Cooner750: kinda hard :p
[12:17] <Cooner750> yea, I wish I had Partition Magic for windows. Now THAT would be nice.
[12:17] <kbrooks> Cooner750: gparted
[12:17] <rgould> ls
[12:17] <rgould> bah
[12:17] <Cooner750> I get a error with that too
[12:17] <Hunchback> partition magic 8 is very nice
[12:17] <Cooner750> Hunchback: Yes I know, but it's shareware
[12:17] <Hunchback> *shrug*
[12:18] <Hunchback> use it, uninstall it
[12:18] <Hunchback> you don't resize your partitions dayly :)
[12:18] <Cooner750> I know, the trial version does not allow applying actions
[12:18] <Cooner750> so... it's kind of useless
[12:18] <CaptainMorgan> Partition magic is nice, but qt will do the job
[12:18] <Hunchback> k, gonna try that installation stuff etc
[12:18] <Hunchback> oh, yeah
[12:18] <steven_> can i stop apt-get install when it is downloadin the a package and restart the downloading of the same package later
[12:18] <Hunchback> well, get a crack then
[12:18] <kolcvk> Cooner750, use cracks ...
[12:18] <Hunchback> steven_: yes
[12:18] <kolcvk> (DC++)
[12:19] <kbrooks> NO
[12:19] <Hunchback> it even resumes :)
[12:19] <steven_> Hunchback, ok
[12:19] <kbrooks> omfg
[12:19] <nickrud> steven_, yes, apt does pretty well at resuming
[12:19] <kbrooks> Cooner750:
[12:19] <kbrooks> Cooner750:
[12:19] <kbrooks> Cooner750: gparted
[12:19] <Cooner750> gparted does not work for me eiter
[12:19] <Cooner750> either
[12:19] <kbrooks> Cooner750: use it
[12:19] <steven_> so shouold i only press crt+c
[12:19] <kbrooks> Cooner750: why?
[12:19] <Hunchback> steven_: yea
[12:19] <Cooner750> I get a $%^^&$%^ $% error just like QTParted
[12:20] <steven_> where can i find a good information about sed
[12:20] <Cooner750> I get stupid errors for no reason
[12:21] <kolcvk> Cooner750, download the Partition Magic from DC++
[12:21] <Cooner750> ?
[12:21] <kolcvk> (Under Win)
[12:21] <sputn1k> how can i fix it: dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox (--install):
[12:21] <sputn1k>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[12:21] <sputn1k> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:21] <sputn1k>  mozilla-firefox
[12:21] <Ubuntu> whats up everyone
[12:21] <Cooner750> ok. better get back on topic. (it it a Ubuntu channel after all.)
[12:22] <kolcvk> :))
[12:22] <Cooner750> booting windows
[12:22] <steven_> can i create another lookup like <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:22] <nerdgirl> sputnlk: actually, had a similar question.  the package manager update keeps wanting me to update to firefox 1.0.2.  Thing is, I already have FF1.0.5
[12:22] <maci> hm somehow my spacebar doesnt work in x anymore .. it worked yesterday .. and on my other VCs in bash it still works
[12:22] <kolcvk> steven_  what kind of lookup ?
[12:23] <kolcvk> DNS ?
[12:23] <weitao> you must edit the ff prefences
[12:23] <weitao> just try: about:blank
[12:23] <weitao> get general...
[12:23] <bina> what package must I install to get PHP4 to interface with MySQL?
[12:23] <steven_> like i just want to play with ssh and networking programs
[12:23] <maci> anyone ever had that problem too ?
[12:24] <nerdgirl> weitao: you talking to me?
[12:24] <weitao> yes
[12:24] <nerdgirl> I don't think it's an issue with firefox.  It's that Ubuntu doesn't realize that I have a more recent version.
[12:24] <weitao> i made a mistake
[12:25] <nalioth> !firefox
[12:25] <weitao> you should try about:config
[12:25] <nerdgirl> For that matter, why is Ubuntu trying to update people to 1.0.2 now?  1.0.5 has been out for at least a month.
[12:25] <nalioth> dammit
[12:25] <gigaclon> can anyone get the stream here (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2&prgDate=07-20-2005&view=storyview) to play in ubuntu?
[12:26] <concept10> nalioth, it the bot down today?
[12:26] <nalioth> whats the bots trigger for firefox?
[12:26] <weitao> general.useragent.vendorSub
[12:26] <nalioth> no,  I am down
[12:26] <weitao> change it into 1.5
[12:26] <wdh> nerdgirl, ubuntu patches an already released version with security patches only..
[12:26] <seth_k> !firefox
[12:26] <seth_k> isn't it?
[12:26] <seth_k> nope
[12:26] <nalioth> i'm suffering from CRS
[12:26] <wdh> nerdgirl, so no new versions of any software after release..
[12:26] <nalioth> or somebody removed the factoid
[12:26] <concept10> CRS?
[12:27] <concept10> I tried to put something in the bot it wouldnt take
[12:27] <Rugmonster> wdh: I hate to say it, but every release of firefox since 1.0.2 has addressed security issues
[12:27] <seth_k> ubotu forget firefox
[12:27] <ubotu> i forgot firefox, seth_k
[12:27] <nalioth> concept10: can't remember shtuff
[12:27] <nerdgirl> wdh: thanks.  however, I still need to convince ubuntu that I don't need anything for 1.0.2
[12:27] <nalioth> seth_k: no no
[12:27] <nalioth> seth_k: it works
[12:27] <nalioth> seth_k: make him remember
[12:27] <wdh> Rugmonster, true.. but ubuntu just takes those security patches and includes them in the 1.0.2 version..
[12:27] <seth_k> ubotu firefox is not the newest version available as seen on mozilla.org. However, all the security fixes are "backported" into Ubuntu's version. So although your Firefox is up-to-date, its version number is lower than the current release. To install themes or extensions, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub to "1.0.6"
[12:27] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[12:27] <zerboxx> Can anyone tell me what to do to fix this problem: "http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/709"
[12:27] <Rugmonster> wdh: ah
[12:28] <mbirkis> will maya unlimited 6.5 work in ubuntu??
[12:28] <nerdgirl> seth_k: thanks... That'll at least let me update in the future.
[12:28] <wdh> Rugmonster, actually firefox is just one of a kind.. its a protection of the stability of ubuntu actually.. usually new software comes with new features.. and therefore new bugs..
[12:28] <nerdgirl> seth_k: that is, update my extensions, etc.
[12:29] <roger> cc
[12:30] <bina> anyone know what package I need to install to connect to a mySQL database through PHP?  I cant find php-mysql anywhere and I have the client and server both installed
[12:31] <gigaclon> can anyone get the stream here (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2&prgDate=07-20-2005&view=storyview) to play in ubuntu?
[12:31] <gigaclon> i can't
[12:32] <Rugmonster> bina: connect to it via a script or just administer it through a php client like phpmyadmin?
[12:32] <hondje> gigaclon: yes
[12:32] <robotgeek> damn no script!!! crashed my browser, again!
[12:32] <xquizit> Hi, im having troubles with xorg in breezy. I have looked in the forums and it still doesnt want to work.
[12:32] <Rugmonster> robotgeek: I wish I had a browser other than links right now
[12:32] <nerdgirl> gigaclon: do you have a linux version of Real?
[12:32] <bina> Rugmonster: Well, atm Im just trying to connect through phpMyAdmin
[12:32] <bina> it says It cant load the extensions
[12:33] <occy> I've got an external raid array that has dual power sources.  (two power cables)  I was wondering if I could have it hooked up to my desktop [it's an old 120G raid array]  and power it on and off when I want to transfer files.  I don't want to have to pay the electricity to have it constantly on.
[12:33] <robotgeek> Rugmonster, lynx is good :)
[12:33] <Rugmonster> bina: look for php3-mysql or php4-mysql, depending on what version of php you are running
[12:34] <concept10> has anyone installed nvu 1.0 yet?
[12:34] <Rugmonster> bina: those are the package names
[12:34] <gigaclon> I have the linux version of real
[12:34] <Rugmonster> robotgeek: links is better (supports frames and tables)
[12:34] <gigaclon> hondje, nerdgirl it freeze when i try to play it
[12:34] <bina> Rugmonster: apt-cache search php4-mysql doesnt show any results
[12:34] <xquizit> my xorg config looks fine. it's just when I start gdm my screen will flicker about 3 times then go back to the console without any errors. I also tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:35] <Rugmonster> bina: I have a couple extra repositories...just a second
[12:35] <roger> #ububu.no
[12:35] <hondje> gigaclon: yeah, it just did that to me too
[12:35] <hondje> not real, but the mozilla mplayer plugin
[12:35] <othernoob> bina: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38  edit your /etc/apt/sources.list with this
[12:36] <Rugmonster> bina: yeah, I'm using the backports repositories. If they aren't in the default, try backports
[12:36] <kbrooks> othernoob:
[12:36] <othernoob> bina: then run it again, should give you the result then
[12:36] <nerdgirl> gigaclon: I'm downloading RealPlayer 10, and I'll try it out.  www.real.com takes you straight to a linux version (.bin or .rpm).
[12:36] <kbrooks> Rugmonster:
[12:36] <othernoob> kbrooks:
[12:36] <Rugmonster> kbrooks:
[12:36] <bina> othernoob, Rugmonster: nice one Ill add them to my repos.  Thanks
[12:36] <kbrooks> backports shouldnt be used daily
[12:36] <kbrooks> bina: ^^^^^
[12:36] <Webwiz> is there any way of making ubuntu install all the dependencies for gaim to compile it
[12:36] <Rugmonster> why?
[12:36] <othernoob> kbrooks: why not?
[12:37] <nalioth> Webwiz: yes, open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get build-dep gaim"
[12:37] <kbrooks> Webwiz: yes. apt-get build-dep gaim
[12:37] <Heart_> hm, eclipse is not in any repository?!
[12:37] <Webwiz> thank you everybody
[12:37] <Webwiz> you are all wonderfull people
[12:37] <kbrooks> nalioth: you're the know it all on backports
[12:37] <Rugmonster> kbrooks: why should backports (or a backports mirror) be used "daily"?
[12:37] <kbrooks> Rugmonster: shouldnt*
[12:38] <epitron> what's you's-guys' favorite email program which has bayesian spam filtering?
[12:38] <Rugmonster> s/should/shouldn't/...jesus
[12:38] <gigaclon> gmail
[12:38] <gigaclon> or thunderbird
[12:38] <epitron> gmail is pretty sweet :)
[12:38] <bina> should I enable the Universe repos while im here?
[12:38] <nalioth> bina: enable uni and multi, you'll have more fun
[12:38] <epitron> gigaclon: see, thunderbird was weird though. it only had binary scores
[12:38] <kbrooks> Rugmonster: because you will break your system (sooner or) later
[12:38] <Rugmonster> bina: oh yeah, I use the universe and multiverse
[12:38] <othernoob> kbrooks: why
[12:39] <bina> nalioth: sweet :)
[12:39] <epitron> gigaclon: that kinda sucks. you want 3 categories: for-sure-spam, for-sure-not-spam, and maybe-spam-or-not-spam
[12:39] <lamp_> n8
[12:39] <kbrooks> othernoob: why what?
[12:39] <Rugmonster> kbrooks: it doesn't matter. My system is already broken right now because I didn't read up on breezy before doing a dist-upgrade
[12:39] <bina> cant find multiverse in here :)
[12:39] <Rugmonster> bina: add it
[12:39] <Rugmonster> bina: after universe
[12:39] <othernoob> kbrooks:  Rugmonster: because you will break your system (sooner or) later  <<why
[12:39] <kbrooks> nalioth!!!
[12:39] <epitron> Rugmonster: what's wrong with breezy? i was just about to upgrade myself :)
[12:40] <epitron> Rugmonster: could you gimme the url to read up on it?
[12:40] <nalioth> kbrooks: what!!!???
[12:40] <Rugmonster> epitron: go to the ubuntuforums.org and then under the dev section, there is a section for breezy. Read the sticky about "Don't upgrade for the next couple of weeks".
[12:40] <bina> Rugmonster: where can I get the details on them?
[12:41] <Rugmonster> bina: ubuntuguide.org
[12:41] <bina> Rugmonster: cool thanks
[12:41] <epitron> Rugmonster: awesome :D
[12:41] <kbrooks> othernoob: too many libraries rely on programs and vice versa and you wont be able to upgrade to breezy
[12:42] <kbrooks> othernoob: with all those libraries lying around.
[12:42] <Rugmonster> Also, the kernel that comes with breezy, 2.6.12, has a bad prism54 driver. It will error out on my wlan and then lock the entire system. no kernel panic or anything, just hard freeze
[12:42] <nalioth> now it begins
[12:42] <NightLord> can someone help with a small problem?
[12:42] <othernoob> kbrooks: heh, apparently, one shouldn't upgrade to breezy anyway :p so that's not the best reason ;)
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is epiphany any good?
[12:43] <bina> lol, othernoob, only just realised that was a paste link :) added it to my source list :)
[12:43] <kbrooks> othernoob: that was a example
[12:43] <Rugmonster> kbrooks: I didn't have any issues with dependencies when upgrading to breezy. Just broken packages
[12:43] <othernoob> lol
[12:43] <bina> its far too late
[12:43] <Xyc0> anyone know the command to start esd with out that annoying sound test?
[12:43] <Rugmonster> kbrooks: my main problem with X is that it is missing the utility to compile the fonts. Something to do with the restructure of x.org
[12:44] <epitron> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i like opera myself :D
[12:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[12:44] <concept10> Has anyone seen a ubuntu .deb for Nvu 1.0?
[12:45] <Rugmonster> my slackware install disks need to hurry up downloading
[12:46] <craigevil> anyone know how to get the program menu in Icewm to show programs
[12:46] <Rugmonster> does icewm support .desktop files?
[12:47] <bina> hooray, all is well again.  Thanks all
[12:47] <NightLord> anyone know why after my first reboot, if i want a menu to come open, i have to hold the mouse down, before i only had to click?
[12:47] <craigevil> iit works just fine on my Debian Sid box, but on my laptop with Ubuntu the menu is empty
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow that browser is great
[12:47] <Rugmonster> craigevil: well, ubuntu tries to hide the debian menu. That may be part of the issue
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Grr... installed ubuntu on my new laptop.. it booted.. then let me login.. then played some noise (wrongly) then hung. :P lol
[12:48] <Rugmonster> I'll be back. I have to get food and cd-r's so i can fix my laptop
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> but the fact it got that far is good.   Are all entries reachable?
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> what did you edit the fstab with?
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> Does this look right: /dev/hda1 /windows ntfs ro,uid=chris, 0 0
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> Kwrite
[12:54] <NuuB> i just installed hoary hedgehog - i installed LAMP also and mod_perl - i allowed .cgi and .pl cgi's to run outside the cgi-bin in apache2.conf with "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl" - but when i run the cgi i get a 403 Forbidden - the cgi works fine from the command line - the cgi's permissions are 755 and the user and group are root (after trying it with my default user/group) ----> where do i have my permissions wrong?
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> uid  wants a ### i think
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> not the name of the user
[12:54] <epitron> |rockinnerd|: looks good to me
[12:54] <ColonelKernel> robert_pectol, yes this only happens in Ubuntu, I had deb sarge on about an hour ago and it worked great
[12:54] <mumbles> back
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> not sure on thtat :P i always put in the users uid#
[12:54] <ColonelKernel> if I boot into windows it works fine too
[12:54] <epitron> |rockinnerd|: you have an extra comma after chris, but it probably doesn't matter
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> it substitues it
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> what about
[12:55] <|rockinnerd|> "No final newline at end"
[12:55] <epitron> |rockinnerd|: what's telling you that?
[12:55] <|rockinnerd|> DSL doesn't have JFS support :-(
[12:55] <NuuB> what is JFS?
[12:56] <|rockinnerd|> epitron: idk, it just shows it on bootup, it tries to go through the various scripts in rcS.d or whatever, but it fails
[12:56] <|rockinnerd|> !jfs
[12:56] <ubotu> |rockinnerd|: I don't know
[12:56] <ztonzy> anyone using both ubuntu and debian?
[12:56] <|rockinnerd|> Journaled File System
[12:56] <robert_pectol> ColonelKernel:   Try this, first, remove the first entry (if there are 2) from your /etc/resolv.conf file and comment out the, "search" option.  Then do a, "dig somedomain.com" and see if you still get the delay.
[12:56] <ColonelKernel> there is no search option
[12:56] <robert_pectol> ok
[12:57] <ColonelKernel> and the dns servers work just fine on every other distro and windows xp currently.
[12:57] <poningru> hi I ran across a file with .mar
[12:57] <Xyc0> You've used EVERY OTHER DISTRO? Wow
[12:57] <poningru> what is that?
[12:57] <poningru> just curious
[12:57] <robert_pectol> I see.  I was just making sure that you weren't just seeing a temporary glitch with the first DNS server in the list.  That would have explained the lag.
[12:58] <concept10> ColonelKernel, my bodyguard from last night!
[12:58] <epitron> |rockinnerd|: hrm.. maybe you should try a python script i wrote...
[12:58] <desrt> pfah
[12:58] <desrt> i've had all distributions installed, at the same time
[12:58] <ColonelKernel> ok works fine w gnetoo, fedora, debian, and windows xp
[12:58] <darkmatter> stonzy:yeh
[12:58] <|rockinnerd|> desrt, impossible.
[12:58] <Xyc0> well, there are alot more distros then just those
[12:58] <desrt> |rockinnerd|; not so much... there was really just SLS....
[12:58] <darkmatter> Hoary and Sid
[12:58] <Xyc0> Puppy Linux being the best
[12:59] <|rockinnerd|> oh..
[12:59] <radiodog> is there a amd64 ubuntu channel?
[12:59] <Xyc0> who here thinks puppy linux rox?
[12:59] <robert_pectol> ColonelKernel:   You don't have some extremely large or messed up hosts file do you?
[12:59] <radiodog> s/a/an
[12:59] <|rockinnerd|> -1
[12:59] <Xyc0> radiodog: yea, this one
[12:59] <ColonelKernel> robert_pectol, no, two lines with two nameservers
[12:59] <|rockinnerd|> s/-1/no
[12:59] <ColonelKernel> robert_pectol, it is set via chcp
[12:59] <ColonelKernel> dhcp
[12:59] <Xyc0> static if you doing server
[01:00] <robert_pectol> Um... your /etc/hosts file?
[01:00] <Xyc0> make life easier
[01:00] <ColonelKernel> oh no
[01:00] <ColonelKernel> hosts is only one line
[01:00] <ColonelKernel> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:00] <robert_pectol> Ok, just checkin :-)
[01:00] <ColonelKernel> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain   localhost       p4ht
[01:00] <ColonelKernel> I commented out all those ipv6 lines
[01:01] <ColonelKernel> I also tunes off the ipv6 module in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[01:01] <|rockinnerd|> uncomment it maybe
[01:01] <ColonelKernel> net-pf-10 or something like htat
[01:01] <ColonelKernel> OH NO
[01:01] <ColonelKernel> maybe I didnt uncomment it!
[01:01] <|rockinnerd|> uncommnt it.
[01:01] <robert_pectol> ColonelKernel:   are you from Brasil?
[01:01] <ColonelKernel> it isnt commented
[01:01] <|rockinnerd|> oh.
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> none of that stuff was
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> robert_pectol, no
[01:02] <|rockinnerd|> turn on ipv6
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> why would I want to turn it on?
[01:02] <Xyc0> Anyone know of the project that uses files as keys to login to your computer?
[01:02] <robert_pectol> I thought maybe the p4ht was an amateur radio callsign - and I thought that looked like a Brazillian callsign...
[01:02] <|rockinnerd|> It probably is required; just try it
[01:02] <robert_pectol> My bad!
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> it worked like crap before when it was turned on, and it still works like crap
[01:02] <|rockinnerd|> Maybe your DNS server is down
[01:03] <ColonelKernel> naw this is just an irc nick
[01:03] <robert_pectol> I see!
[01:03] <ColonelKernel> it isnt down for debian and windowsXP clients.
[01:03] <|rockinnerd|> dhcpcd?
[01:04] <epitron> |rockinnerd|: http://epitaph.darkillustrated.org/tounix.py
[01:04] <ColonelKernel> this is a client, not a server box
[01:04] <epitron> there we go. that thing fixes files with weird line endings.
[01:04] <slask3n> Anyone knows how to enable/install the driver they talk about in this quote: "The standard usb mic driver in the kernel works for the built in microphone as well." ?
[01:04] <|rockinnerd|> Colonelkernel, just run it
[01:04] <epitron> it also converts tabs to spaces, but you don't need that probably
[01:04] <ColonelKernel> |rockinnerd|, no.
[01:04] <|rockinnerd|> colonelkernel, it's _NOT_ the server program
[01:05] <ColonelKernel> |rockinnerd|, dhcpd IS the dhcp server program.
[01:05] <BockBilbo> hello
[01:05] <|rockinnerd|> d h c p c d
[01:05] <Xyc0> hello
[01:05] <BockBilbo> i need someone's advice relating to vmware
[01:05] <|rockinnerd|> not d h c p d
[01:05] <BockBilbo> anyone has tried it?
[01:05] <|rockinnerd|> note the 2nd C
[01:08] <ColonelKernel> ok trying that out now, ill let you know how it works
[01:11] <BockBilbo> see, ive got a dual boot system, in which hda1 is for windows and hda5 for ubuntu
[01:11] <BockBilbo> im thinking on removing windows... is it possible to move ubuntu to the hda1 partition keeping all the config?
[01:12] <epitron> BockBilbo: you don't need to move it... just resize it :)
[01:12] <epitron> it'll work fine as hda5
[01:12] <wdh> ColonelKernel, tried 'dhclient'?
[01:12] <epitron> just nuke hda1, then resize hda5 to use up the now-freed space
[01:12] <nalioth> BockBilbo: just turn hda1 into /home/newfoldername or something
[01:13] <epitron> or you could copy everything from one partition to the other, like nalioth says :)
[01:13] <BockBilbo> but
[01:13] <epitron> i like a partition magic bootdisk though. it's less work
[01:13] <BockBilbo> the problem is that hda1 is a primary partition and hda5 a logic partition
[01:13] <kolcvk> ....
[01:13] <epitron> if you're using grub, that's not a problem
[01:14] <BockBilbo> well true...
[01:14] <epitron> grub sees all
[01:14] <ColonelKernel> i think installing dhcpcd did the trick - thank you
[01:14] <BockBilbo> yes...
[01:14] <xhaker> how can i extract 7zip files in ubuntu?
[01:14] <epitron> it's not even the primary/logical thing that's a problem though.
[01:14] <Wckdkl0wn> has anyone ever messed around with linux bnx bot?
[01:14] <kolcvk> BockBilbo, dont forget to convert it (hda1) to ext3fs (from ntfs)
[01:14] <epitron> the only problem is when the partition is more than 1024 blocks into the device or something
[01:14] <BockBilbo> kolcvk, my win partition is fat
[01:14] <BockBilbo> ;)
[01:14] <epitron> but, again, grub doesn't care
[01:14] <kolcvk> yes
[01:14] <kolcvk> :)
[01:15] <BockBilbo> epitron, so, what should i do?
[01:15] <SogniX> hey - anyone here know about theming in gnome? I'm trying to figure out how to change a color and don't know where :p
[01:15] <ColonelKernel> James Doohan, the actor best known as Star Trek's Scotty, has died at 85. His last wish, his agent announced last night, was for his ashes to be fired into space.
[01:15] <kolcvk> BockBilbo, just kill win ...
[01:15] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:15] <kolcvk> and use free space
[01:15] <kolcvk> :)
[01:15] <BockBilbo> but
[01:16] <bahblahblahbah> hi
[01:16] <kolcvk> what but ?
[01:16] <BockBilbo> i would like to have ubuntu on hda1
[01:16] <BockBilbo> and have it mixed with the space of the actual windows partition
[01:16] <kolcvk> what difference ?
[01:16] <BockBilbo> that i dont want 2 partitions, i just want one
[01:17] <kolcvk> just resize hda5 and leave it there
[01:17] <kolcvk> BockBilbo, you can resize
[01:17] <kolcvk> e.g. append
[01:17] <kolcvk> :
[01:17] <kolcvk> :)
[01:17] <xhaker> i ask again... how to extract 7zip on ubuntu?
[01:17] <BockBilbo> but, i would have to leave hda1 as an small partitinn
[01:17] <BockBilbo> right?
[01:17] <kolcvk> xhaker,  try through wine
[01:17] <kolcvk> nope
[01:18] <kolcvk> (by downloading the windows version)
[01:18] <xhaker> kolcvk, found another way
[01:18] <xhaker> p7zip
[01:18] <kolcvk> BockBilbo, after resizing you will have only one partition
[01:19] <BockBilbo> kolcvk, yes
[01:19] <slask3n> are there any usb mic drivers in ubuntu?
[01:19] <kolcvk> thats hda5
[01:19] <BockBilbo> sure??
[01:19] <BockBilbo> i think it will be renamed to hda1
[01:19] <kolcvk> 98%
[01:19] <kolcvk> maybe
[01:19] <kolcvk> but all your data will remain intact
[01:19] <BockBilbo> maybe?... i think i went through this before
[01:19] <BockBilbo> i knoe that kolcvk but i might not boot
[01:20] <kolcvk> :)
[01:20] <BockBilbo> and i would need to use a live cd to fix it
[01:20] <kolcvk> GRUB is in MBR
[01:20] <kolcvk> ?
[01:20] <BockBilbo> yes
[01:20] <kolcvk> so don't worry ?
[01:20] <kolcvk> so don't worry *
[01:20] <kolcvk> :)
[01:20] <bimberi> xhaker: apparently file-roller should be able to do it - no personal experience though
[01:21] <BockBilbo> ok kolcvk
[01:21] <kolcvk> if GRUB's in MBR then your system will boot normally , am i right epitron ?
[01:21] <BockBilbo> kolcvk, it wont
[01:21] <BockBilbo> it my partition switches to hda1 instead of hda5
[01:21] <mika5> Hello.  I just applied the latest update from Ubuntu update manager, and now it looks like it broke something.  Trying to download anything in Firefox seems to wait and then nothing.  It doesn't give me the save-as dialog or any error messages.
[01:21] <kolcvk> that doesnt matter
[01:22] <kolcvk> GRUB recognises partitions
[01:22] <jayjay05> i havw a problem installing linux amd 64 i have a mamd anthlon
[01:22] <BockBilbo> cause it tries to find the initrd archives inside hda5/boot
[01:22] <kolcvk> and then check
[01:22] <nalioth> BockBilbo: dont mess with your partitions
[01:22] <jayjay05> amd*
[01:22] <kolcvk> if the part. is bootable
[01:22] <BockBilbo> nalioth, I need to mess with my partitions
[01:22] <nalioth> BockBilbo: wipe windows, replace with ext3 and mount it under /home/bockbilbo/whatevernameyouwant
[01:22] <abarbaccia> hey all - is there any sort of program that will id3 my music tracks nicely?
[01:22] <nalioth> BockBilbo: that way your grub doesnt go crazy
[01:23] <nalioth> abarbaccia: easytag
[01:23] <kolcvk> jayjay05, do you have AMD Athlon 64 ?
[01:23] <jayjay05> it says like canot some long mode
[01:23] <BockBilbo> but, if i still want to mess with the partitions, is is possible to modify all the simlinks to hda5 to point hda1?
[01:24] <kolcvk> nalioth, you are right , but he wanna 1 part.
[01:24] <nalioth> BockBilbo: do what you feel you must
[01:24] <kolcvk> jayjay05, do you have AMD Athlon 64 ?
[01:24] <cw2> what might cause mplayer to say the following when trying to play a dvd: (too much to paste) http://pastebin.ca/18250
[01:25] <BockBilbo> ok nalioth
[01:25] <BockBilbo> thanks
[01:27] <mrd`> mdz: poke poke :)
[01:27] <darkmatter> hi
[01:27] <mdz> mrd`: apt-get --reinstall -o dpkg::options::=--force-confmiss <package>
[01:27] <mdz> s/^/sudo /
[01:27] <kolcvk> as i recall AMD Athlon XP was 32 bit ?
[01:28] <cw2> kolcvk: correct
[01:28] <kolcvk> :)
[01:28] <cw2> also known as K7
[01:28] <mrd`> s/--reinstall/reinstall/ ?
[01:28] <kolcvk> jayjay05 tried to install amd64 version :))
[01:28] <mrd`> Hrm...
[01:28] <losty> hi, does anyone know any free partition programs out there?
[01:28] <aurax> anyone here got unrealircd installed?
[01:28] <cw2> losty: fdisk?
[01:28] <mrd`> install --reinstall
[01:28] <silveruno> thanks kolcvk for the help in private. ;-)
[01:28] <crimsun> losty, parted and its frontends
[01:29] <kolcvk> :)
[01:29] <losty> sry im new..
[01:29] <mrd`> mdz: Thanks.
[01:29] <losty> fdisk will partition?
[01:29] <cw2> cfdisk
[01:29] <kolcvk> fdisk is a DOS programm
[01:29] <kolcvk> :)
[01:29] <cw2> yeah, cfdisk is easier to use though
[01:29] <mdz> mrd`: right, I really should fix that syntax; even I find it awkward
[01:29] <cw2> there's a linux fdisk too
[01:29] <silveruno> how do i know i my installation is up to date ?
[01:30] <kolcvk> cw2, Partition Magic will be more easier
[01:30] <kolcvk> :)
[01:30] <losty> im trying to insall ubuntu
[01:30] <kolcvk> silveruno, run
[01:30] <losty> but not getting any luck finding a partition prgram
[01:30] <losty> il give fdisk a try
[01:30] <kolcvk> System Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager
[01:30] <cw2> losty: the installer can create and delete partitions
[01:30] <kolcvk> click Update
[01:30] <funkyHat> losty, gparted, or kparted if you prefer KDE
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> installs point2play
[01:30] <losty> cw2: are you sure? i dont want to lose my data
[01:31] <cw2> losty: if you need to resize a partition, check out parted, though you may have to go with partition magic (not free)
[01:31] <kolcvk> pardon : click Install
[01:31] <kolcvk> :)
[01:31] <losty> funkyHat: im just starting linux..
[01:31] <ptlo> is somebody into video production on linux? i'd need a simple video editing program (like pitivi, except that it's alpha) with just basic features - creating a movie out of clips/stills and adding the music. i'm running hoary. could you recommend some utility for doing this?
[01:31] <funkyHat> oh, you're installing... no gui... ignore me :$
[01:31] <nalioth> ptlo: cinepaint?
[01:32] <cw2> losty: although, Xandros's installer will resize, you can get their OCE for free (but you'll have to download the whole cd) but it's not free-free, just beer-free
[01:32] <Xyc0> How do i get Ubuntu to recognize when I close and open my laptop screen?
[01:32] <kolcvk> :))
[01:32] <losty> cw2: ahh ok
[01:32] <silveruno> kolcvk > does the updatemanager check if the system is up to date, on the net, or on the install CD i have ?
[01:32] <kolcvk> on the net offcourse
[01:32] <kolcvk> :)
[01:32] <Discipulus> silveruno, it checks the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:32] <soultaker> hello to all
[01:32] <tritium> Xyc0, edit /etc/default/acpi-support, uncomment the line "#ACPI_SLEEP=true"
[01:33] <kolcvk> hi soultaker
[01:33] <losty> cw2: im really lost to partitioning my drive. i just want something simple really..
[01:33] <soultaker> i need help how can i make doual boot in my Pc I have diferent HD for Linux and XP
[01:33] <soultaker> how can i configure the Grub _.
[01:34] <tritium> Xyc0, then, the easiest thing is to reboot.  You may have to play with other options in that file to get it working right.  (I had to comment out POST_VIDEO=true)
[01:34] <losty> cw2: parted if for linux, im using win XP
[01:34] <losty> is*
[01:34] <tritium> Xyc0, more info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPM
[01:34] <soultaker> i em Newby i dont know much of linux
[01:34] <jmspeex> Are there any standard package sources for apt that aren't in sources.list?
[01:34] <jmspeex> In other words, any place I can get packages that are in debian, but that I can't find in ubuntu?
[01:34] <soultaker> thank you
[01:35] <Xyc0> tritium: Awsome, thanks all i needed was a push in the right direction
[01:35] <tritium> Xyc0, :)
[01:35] <darkmatter> soultaker: grub is configured through menu.lst
[01:35] <tritium> dinner...
[01:35] <soultaker> darkmatter thank you
[01:36] <soultaker> darkmatter what are the steeps to configurated ?
[01:37] <mrd`> Sigh, still no working caps/ctrl swap.
[01:37] <ptlo> nalioth, hmm, cinepant seems like a image editor/retouch utility, not a movie-maker (which i'd need)
[01:38] <nalioth> ptlo: i'm not sure if there is anything like imovie or such
[01:39] <soultaker> go it thank you
[01:39] <soultaker> let me try
[01:40] <darkmatter> soultaker:man grub it will explain
[01:41] <ptlo> nalioth, hmm i've stumbled upon kino, there's ubuntu package for it, so i'll try that. thanks for the help, anyways
[01:41] <nalioth> ptlo: i'm not much into linux + multimedia (i have several macintosh' for that)
[01:41] <silveruno> how can i change the language my ubuntu uses, seams eazyer if it was running in english, than Danish, when i get help here
[01:43] <coolkev> ubuntu keeps accessing my harddisk for no reason... like i tested it.. after my computer loaded i left it idle and i keep hearing every 5-10 seconds ubuntu access my hard drisk
[01:43] <ptlo> nalioth, lucky you :-) i'm not into that much myself, i'd just want to play a bit with clips recorded with my mobile phone .. nothing fancy :)
[01:43] <coolkev> this is the reason why my hard drisk get so hot for no reason..
[01:43] <zukalk> coolkev, that was probably updatedb running
[01:43] <nalioth> ptlo: ah, well linux isnt known for its video editing
[01:43] <nickrud> silveruno, if you set up english during the install, you can log out select english under language
[01:44] <coolkev> zukalk: huh?
[01:44] <zukalk> coolkev, man updatedb
[01:44] <nickrud> s/select/then select/
[01:44] <coolkev> evey right now
[01:44] <coolkev> even*
[01:44] <cw2> losty: use a linux live cd, you won't find anything free for windows
[01:44] <coolkev> all i'm doing is being on x-chat and i hear linux accessing hd
[01:44] <losty> cw2: ok il try it
[01:44] <silveruno> nickrud >ok, ill check that out when the update is finished.
[01:45] <coolkev> and one of them is not even mounted and it's still getting hot
[01:45] <cw2> losty: make backups
[01:45] <kolcvk> proper
[01:45] <kolcvk> :)
[01:45] <zukalk> coolkev, run 'top' and see what's causing that
[01:45] <cw2> coolkev: many modern hd's get hot
[01:45] <kolcvk> mine's too
[01:45] <kolcvk> :)
[01:45] <cw2> coolkev: it's just the way it is
[01:45] <kolcvk> yeap
[01:46] <kolcvk> :)
[01:46] <Tyreses> Id just like to say thanks for shipping me my ubuntu :D im very satisfied
[01:46] <coolkev> even when they are not being accessed and used?
[01:46] <kolcvk> coolkev, yeaj
[01:46] <mumbles> bed for me
[01:46] <kolcvk> yeah *
[01:46] <kolcvk> :)
[01:46] <mumbles> nn all
[01:46] <coolkev> like i have one resierfs drive and i never even mounted it and it's getting hot
[01:46] <zukalk> mumbles, bye
[01:46] <cw2> coolkev: yes, the spindle motor is what gets hot
[01:46] <nalioth> now proceeding with the sarge netinst
[01:46] <nalioth> on the imac
[01:46] <pbiegaj> hey all
[01:47] <coolkev> zukalk i'm in top thingy and it's showing a bunch of things... what in pirticular am i looking for?
[01:47] <pbiegaj> can anyone help me out with a problem i'm having regarding ndiswrapper and a mini pci broadcom wireless card
[01:47] <pbiegaj> ?
[01:47] <kolcvk> coolkev, install radiator on HDD
[01:47] <pbiegaj> I've compiled and install the ndiswrapper modules with the proper driver file
[01:47] <kolcvk> i have 2 installed
[01:47] <kolcvk> :)
[01:47] <pbiegaj> it loads into the kernel
[01:47] <zukalk> coolkev, stuff using most of the CPU
[01:47] <cw2> coolkev: when the hd is accessed, look for what starts using CPU
[01:47] <coolkev> how much does that cost
[01:47] <drummer> need some help with Evolution - anyone available for that?
[01:47] <kolcvk> few $
[01:47] <kolcvk> <10
[01:47] <pbiegaj> however I can't bring up the wlan0 device because as it goes through the process of coming up and configuring hte essid, etc
[01:48] <coolkev> Xorg and Terminal mostly
[01:48] <pbiegaj> it says no such device
[01:48] <funkyHat> drummer, just ask :)
[01:48] <bahblahblahbah> hi...i'm new to linux...
[01:48] <kolcvk> coolkev, then just buy radiator
[01:48] <kolcvk> :)
[01:48] <coolkev> you said around $10 Canadian?
[01:48] <kolcvk> bahblahblahbah, GOTTA QUESTIONS ?
[01:48] <pbiegaj> so yeah it sucks :-(
[01:48] <kolcvk> sorry for caps
[01:48] <pbiegaj> tail /var/log/syslog
[01:48] <cw2> coolkev: might also run "lsof" while the hd light is on and run it again when it stops and see whats different
[01:48] <pbiegaj> oops
[01:49] <bahblahblahbah> some
[01:49] <zukalk> hey, is anyone here into forms? the guys at #html are apparently all dead
[01:49] <bahblahblahbah> I'm still trying to find stuff for my hardware
[01:49] <pbiegaj> so anyway is anyone has had experience with the broadcom chipsets on laptops and getting them to work
[01:49] <drummer> Thanks funkyhat.  I did a fresh install then set up Evolution.  I then tried to import my old info from an oldert version with no luck.  Now when I click on Evolution it says it's starting then quits.
[01:49] <pbiegaj> any advice would be greatly appreciated
[01:49] <cw2> coolkev: the heat isn't likely to hurt the hd
[01:49] <cw2> zukalk: #web
[01:50] <zukalk> cw2, thanks
[01:50] <funkyHat> drummer, i can't help you there, sorry, i'm sure someone will be able to though
[01:50] <coolkev> i see
[01:50] <coolkev> the reason why I'm on linux is because i have no money to bguy and operate windows
[01:50] <kolcvk> bahblahblahbah, what kind of hardware ?
[01:51] <bahblahblahbah> be right back...this linux stuff is so confusing...-.-
[01:51] <coolkev> i taught it'll keep all costs down and now i see my hd getting hot and i get scared i have no money to buy new
[01:51] <kolcvk> naaahh linux dA BeSt
[01:51] <kolcvk> :)
[01:51] <coolkev> where in ubuntu i go to turn off harddisk after a while of being idle
[01:52] <coolkev> also having low ram also casue harddisk to be used more?
[01:52] <funkyHat> coolkev, yes it will do
[01:53] <kolcvk> yeap
[01:53] <kolcvk> less ram , more swap is being used
[01:53] <kolcvk> :)
[01:53] <coolkev> i did that lsfo thingy and it show a bunch of stuff... what am i looking for?
[01:54] <tritium> nalioth, did it work?
[01:55] <nalioth> tritium: is there another channel you could join?
[01:55] <coolkev> also everytime i open limewire my comp runs extra slow and i see in system monitor java is using around 300 mb memory
[01:55] <tritium> nalioth, how about /query?
[01:55] <nalioth> coolkev: java sucks all use out of your puter (esp if you are ram-impaired to start with)
[01:55] <Dr_Willis>  heh
[01:55] <pbiegaj> can anyone offer me help on the wireless front?
[01:56] <pbiegaj> or anyone have a compaq presario v2311us
[01:56] <pbiegaj> ?
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> yes i do
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> just got it today even
[01:56] <coolkev> is there any alternative to limewire
[01:56] <coolkev> that doesn't hog my ram
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> coolkev,  dozens of them.
[01:56] <coolkev> please tell me
[01:56] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis really?
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> check out the gnutella clients at the gnutella homepage.
[01:56] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, have you had any luck?
[01:57] <pbiegaj> getting the wireless working?
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> pbiegaj,  I got ubuntu going on it right now. No idea on wireless
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> i had to use the noapci /noapic options to get it to boot right.
[01:57] <pbiegaj> gotcha slick laptop isn't it?
[01:57] <pbiegaj> yeah my bootup the first time was really slow
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> pbiegaj,  it has its good and bad points. :P but it was cheap.
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> the first boot worked.. went to x and hung. :P
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> then was real real real slow the next boot.. so i rebooted and tried those optons
[01:58] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, I think it's really nice for the price
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> since i assumed it was some cpu-throtteling issue.
[01:58] <coolkev> http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/
[01:58] <coolkev> anyone use that program before?
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> pbiegaj,  bestbuy had them for like $850 after mail in rebates
[01:58] <nickrud> many times
[01:58] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, btw I imagine you know that you have to chance the xorg.conf file to use vesa instead of the proper radeon driver
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> coolkev,  thats the 'definitive' orginal client.
[01:58] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, right that's where I got mine
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> pbiegaj,  actually GDM started up just fine.
[01:59] <nalioth> coolkev: gtk-gnutella works great
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> not got it all the way to X yet. :P
[01:59] <coolkev> and not a memory hog?
[01:59] <nalioth> coolkev: saves your system - doesnt use java
[01:59] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, really? mine locked up once you logged in and I guess some other people had a similar problem
[01:59] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, maybe my not turning off acpi caused it to lock up
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> pbiegaj,  yea not sure.. booting to X - lets see
[02:00] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, well in any case if you happen to try and get the wireless working let me know what you did, I can't see the wlan0 device
[02:00] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, even though I installed the ndiswrapper module without a problem
[02:00] <pbiegaj> and have all the other things properly configured
[02:00] <brainsick> is anyone familiar with the LVM/EVMS capabilities of Ubuntu?  I have a bunch of questions
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> lol.. went to gdm.. selected icewm.. and gdm hung.
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> :P
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> make a web site  pbiegaj  with all ya configs
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> :P
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> and that linux laptops site.
[02:01] <Cooner750> Ok. I finally got GParted to work and I have a 6GB EXT2(or 3?) partition on my external USB drive
[02:01] <coolkev> how do i get gtk-gnutella on ubuntu? apt-get install gtk-gnutella?
[02:01] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, I plan on contributing to linux laptops once I get this all up and running
[02:01] <pbiegaj> but it's still a process
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> coolkev,  that would be my guess
[02:01] <pbiegaj> Dr_Willis, gotta eat brb
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> pbiegaj,  ok.. keep me informed. :P
[02:02] <coolkev> ubuntu is gtk2?
[02:02] <socomm> coolkev: Ubuntu is a GNU/Linux distro.
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> gtk2 is a programing library
[02:02] <coolkev> no theres two versions of gtk-gnutella one is gtk1 and other is gtk2
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> get the 2 :P
[02:03] <coolkev> ok
[02:03] <Cooner750> Now. How do I install Ubuntu to that partition?
[02:03] <Cooner750> Use the Ubuntu Install CD?
[02:03] <zukalk> coolkev, but you *could* use 1 too, as long as you have the libraries needed
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> Cooner750,  the installer saw and showed my usb drives...   not that i tried it however.
[02:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> what are the basic commands to install a program?
[02:03] <kolcvk> ./cpnfigure
[02:03] <zukalk> MrGardenHoseMan, .deb packages?
[02:03] <socomm> MrGardenHoseMan: synaptic
[02:03] <kolcvk> make && make install
[02:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> .gz
[02:04] <brainsick> can anyone point me in the right direction in regards to volume management (software raid, logical volumes, etc) on Ubuntu?  I know that LVM and EVMS are the akronyms that I want, but not much else :)
[02:04] <kolcvk> tar.gz ?
[02:04] <coolkev> for next version of ubuntu add a auto installer for tar.gz and .deb files
[02:04] <Cooner750> how long does a Ubuntu install take?
[02:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah
[02:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> after untaring
[02:04] <Cooner750> (forever?)_
[02:04] <kolcvk> tar -zxf file.tar.gz
[02:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> ./confiure then make and then make install?
[02:04] <kolcvk> ./configure
[02:04] <kolcvk> make && make install
[02:04] <kolcvk> (as root)
[02:04] <Cooner750> do I have to use the Install CD
[02:04] <coolkev> ok install .deb files?
[02:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[02:05] <socomm> Cooner750: Depends on your hardware.
[02:05] <Cooner750> and what bootloader should I use?
[02:05] <coolkev> the command is?
[02:05] <socomm> Cooner750: Ubuntu defaults to GRUB.
[02:05] <zukalk> coolkev, dpkg -i <package name>.deb
[02:05] <coolkev> thanks
[02:05] <zukalk> (as root)
[02:05] <coolkev> ye sudo
[02:06] <Cooner750> My hardware is a Pavilion a720n Athlon 3200+ with 512MB RAM
[02:06] <Cooner750> and a usb 2.0 external
[02:06] <socomm> Cooner750: Should not take too long.
[02:06] <nickrud> coolkev, ubuntu has excellent deb file management, dpkg -i is not the best method :)
[02:06] <BockBilbo> is there a way to make none esd programs play sounds with esd configuring its sound adapter to something instead of  /dev/dsp ?
[02:06] <Cooner750> Now I just have to wait for the install .iso to download
[02:06] <coolkev> nickrud enlighten me
[02:06] <Cooner750> 15%
[02:07] <Cooner750> 13 min remaining
[02:07] <nickrud> coolkev, try running sudo synaptic, that's the current management tool
[02:07] <coolkev> ohh
[02:08] <coolkev> i know about that... but does it let u install from .deb you download?
[02:08] <Wckdkl0wn>  if i did all the updates on warty would it be like using hedgehog?
[02:08] <socomm> coolkev: You could click on the package on nautilus which should bring up an installation app.
[02:08] <coolkev> how do i add gtk-gnutella to the Application>Internet section
[02:08] <socomm> !smeg
[02:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:09] <coolkev> it open in archive manager
[02:09] <Wckdkl0wn> anyone know?
[02:09] <nickrud> coolkev, gtk-gnutella is available with synaptic. First, try ctl-f and search for gtk-gnutella, see if it's available with your configuration
[02:09] <Cooner750> what bootloader should I use? (and one that's safe to install?) ? Or just use the XP boot menu?
[02:10] <cw2> Wckdkl0wn: if you set your sources to the hedghog ones and fiddle with it a bit
[02:10] <jasoncohen> Cooner750, grub is the default. it should have a selection for XP
[02:10] <cw2> Cooner750: grub or lilo, xp's is weak
[02:10] <Cooner750> Will GRUB install to the external?
[02:11] <Cooner750> I dont want to mess with the XP installation on the internal NTFS
[02:11] <jasoncohen> the bootloader is meant to be on the MBR
[02:11] <socomm> Cooner750: You're prompted for whichever you like.
[02:11] <nickrud> coolkev, did you find it?
[02:11] <Cooner750> Whew. I'm paramnoid when it comes to the NTFS and XP + Linux = not a good idea
[02:11] <Dr_Willis> My lateest pc - has a bios option to select what hd to boot off of.  so i can put grub on the mbr of the linux hd (i have 2 hds) and never touch the xp drive at all.
[02:11] <socomm> Cooner750: You could write to the MBR or make a boot floopy.
[02:12] <Cooner750> Unfortunatly; this PC dosent have a floppy drive... Is there a floppy image that could be put on a CD? That does the same as a floppy?
[02:12] <Cooner750> It has a space for a floppy; I just havent got a chance to put on in yet
[02:14] <cw2> any able to play a dvd with mplayer?  i think its broke
[02:14] <socomm> cw2: Did you install all the dvd stuff?
[02:14] <Cooner750> Is there a bootable CD that does the same as the bootable floppy?
[02:14] <coolkev> nickrud yes but i got the latest from website
[02:14] <Ginsu> no, I use xine
[02:14] <coolkev> and installed it
[02:14] <coolkev> and added it to menu using smeg
[02:14] <coolkev> thanks for all the help everyone
[02:15] <cw2> socomm: i'd like to think so, it's not my first time using mplayer, but this is my first amd64 horay
[02:15] <socomm> Cooner750: Doubtful.
[02:15] <nickrud> coolkev, then, that deb would show up (after it's installed) as an obsolete or local package in synaptic
[02:15] <Cooner750> 5 min remaining on the install cd download
[02:15] <socomm> cw2: Double check if you got libdvdread and the decss stuff installed.
[02:15] <Cooner750> How easy is the installer (i'm pretty much a computer expert, but I've never dealt with Linux installers)?
[02:16] <tsot> hey
[02:16] <socomm> Cooner750: As easy as the XP installer.
[02:16] <Cooner750> cool
[02:16] <reka> socomm: not quite
[02:16] <nickrud> coolkev, sorry, I forgot it was a replacement for the existing package; it wont' be there :)
[02:16] <tsot> can someone remind me how to install java to ubuntu
[02:16] <reka> Cooner750: you should be OK, just choose defaultsif you're not sure
[02:16] <cw2> socomm: yeah, I think it's an liba52 issue, my output is here http://pastebin.ca/18253
[02:16] <tsot> also I remember someone gave me a link about updates
[02:16] <BockBilbo> cooner750 window expert != computer expert
[02:16] <BockBilbo> 8-)
[02:16] <reka> Cooner750: are you going for dual-boot?
[02:16] <tsot> can someone remind me that?
[02:16] <Cooner750> yea
[02:16] <w0wz0rz> could someone help a newb out? :)
[02:16] <Cooner750> XP on a internal NTFS
[02:16] <socomm> reka: It is for me.
[02:17] <Cooner750> and Ubuntu on a External USB 2.0
[02:17] <tsot> noone here???
[02:17] <reka> Cooner750: well, that probably makes things easier...you won't have to resize XP/create partitions.
[02:17] <Cooner750> I have 2 partitions on the external. A FAT32 that is used for windows stuff, and a 6GB EXT3(or 2? I forget) for Ubuntu
[02:17] <w0wz0rz> whenever i try to boot with the disc i get an error :\
[02:18] <cw2> Cooner750: does you mobo support booting off an external usb disk?
[02:18] <robert_pectol> Anyone know where I can turn of the syslog option that causes the, "-- MARK --" messages in the syslog?  Apparently there is an option in /etc/sysconfig/syslog on Red Hat and similar distros.  I can't find Ubuntu's equivalent (and no, I'm not talking about the /etc/syslog.conf file).
[02:18] <Cooner750> cw2: yes
[02:19] <Cooner750> I hit ESC at the BIOS load screen and it lists all available boot devices, including USB
[02:19] <slask3n> nobody knows of any usb mic drivers in kernel or in ubuntu/linux generally?
[02:19] <Cooner750> That's how i booted from a pendrive for a long time
[02:19] <reka> socomm: well, imho it isn't as easy....xp installer is virtually foolproof....ubuntu has the further responsibility of working with an existing OS (assuming most users already have XP installed)
[02:19] <ethics> ok so ubuntu has possibly the least amount of bugs ive seen in a BTS before......im going to assume that the community sucks at reporting bugs because i have at least 6 bugs ......is there another bug reporting system thats actually used other than bugzila.ubuntu?
[02:19] <pax> robert_pectol: you want something verbose, wrapper/logger like snoopy?
[02:20] <cw2> Cooner750: set it as first and write grub to the usb disk.  you'll be lucky if it comes with an initrd that has the usb-storage module though
[02:20] <w0wz0rz> my boot disc freezes up when it gets up to "Freeing unused kernel memory: 224k freed" why wont it go on to the next screen?
[02:20] <Dr_Willis> define 'bug' :)
[02:20] <robert_pectol> pax:   No.  I want to eliminate the, "-- MARK --" entries in my syslog.
[02:20] <Cooner750> I have a 256MB Usb Disk? Could grub be put on that (i'm throwing ideas here; not used to the whole installing of linux)
[02:21] <Cooner750> GRUB would be fine on the external.. no issues there. I'm just trying to stay away from the internal NTFS w/ XP on it
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> Cooner750,   i think it depends on the usb disk. and the mb. and bios
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> ive put grub on dozens of XP drives with no problems
[02:21] <Cooner750> I can get you the MB brand if that helps :/
[02:21] <Cooner750> and model
[02:21] <ethics> dr_willis:  segfaults on a clean install....
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> if ya need to remove it - you boot a XP cd to rescue mode and use 'fixmbr'
[02:22] <cw2> socomm: any idea's or should I report a bug?
[02:22] <Cooner750> Unfortunatly; this computer came with XP so no XP disc..
[02:22] <socomm> cw2: Probably not, try joining #mplayer.
[02:22] <cw2> Cooner750: did it comes with a restore cd?
[02:22] <socomm> cw2: It's probably just a bad setup you got there.
[02:22] <w0wz0rz> my boot disc freezes up when it gets up to "Freeing unused kernel memory: 224k freed" why wont it go on to the next screen?
[02:22] <ubuntuthinking> Hello, looking for help on getting my wireless to work with a hp932c connected on a winxp box
[02:22] <Dr_Willis> track one down. :P ya dont need the xp serial # or anything.
[02:22] <qt2> anyone know where the beep meda player config is stored?
[02:22] <Cooner750> cw2: I think so. I'd have to look'
[02:22] <socomm> qt2: ~/.bmp
[02:22] <MrGardenHoseMan> does ubuntu come with a c compiler?
[02:22] <qt2> ah
[02:22] <coolkev> is it save to install gaim from cvs... i just want to have the newer version then that in the ubuntu repositories
[02:22] <Ginsu> Cooner750: The "Knoppix Hacks" explains how to do anything with Grub, Lilo, and Windows booting.
[02:23] <socomm> MrGardenHoseMan: No you'll have to install it via apt-get or synaptic.
[02:23] <cw2> socomm: I did, seems I'm the 3rd person today with this problem on ubuntu.
[02:23] <reka> robert_pectol: maybe try 'man syslogd'
[02:23] <vader> I may try to use mplayer on this laptop, I was given a p2 366 today.....heheh
[02:23] <Cooner750> i'm burning the installer image now
[02:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the package named?
[02:23] <socomm> MrGardenHoseMan: After install just type `apt-get install build-essential'.
[02:23] <rw`> socomm, I am one of them.
[02:23] <reka> robert_pectol: possibly the '-m interval' option
[02:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[02:23] <rw`> cw2, came to help :)
[02:23] <w0wz0rz> can someone help me with this installation?
[02:23] <ethics> vader:  increase the cache size in mplayer and itl;l be fine
[02:23] <socomm> cw2: Well I don't know, report a bug if you like. I'd just roll my own and call it a day.
[02:23] <airmikey> anyone here on a laptop or notebook ?
[02:24] <cw2> just wanted to see if I was missing some trick in ubuntu before I take matters into my own hands :)
[02:24] <Cooner750> burning image 40%...
[02:24] <Cooner750> i
[02:24] <robert_pectol> reka:   Yeah it's just that I'm not sure where that would be located.  It seems to be different for Ubuntu.
[02:24] <Cooner750> i'm such a paranoid person.. it's now wonder...
[02:24] <rw`> cw2, guess we will have to paste a bug.
[02:24] <darkmatter> MrGardenHoseMan: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:24] <pbiegaj> airmikey, I am on a lapto
[02:24] <pbiegaj> p
[02:24] <pbiegaj> airmikey, why do you ask?
[02:24] <airmikey> gonna buy 1
[02:24] <Cooner750> At least I have backups of everything on the external backed to DVD
[02:24] <darkmatter> that will give the compiler set
[02:25] <Cooner750> 70% burning
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> airmikey which one?
[02:25] <airmikey> wanna make sure i wll be able to get online
[02:25] <pbiegaj> airmikey, oh I gotcha I'm still having troubles with the wireless and graphics drivers
[02:25] <reka> robert_pectol: well, man page says /etc/syslog.conf ... but i you don't want that, right?
[02:25] <pbiegaj> which suffice to say is a bit more than a pain in the butt
[02:25] <ethics> socomm:  report a bug if you like.........i think you meant to say report it as a bug and then roll your own.,......that way when the next guy checks it theres actually know info....i have 6 bugs in the first 10 minutes of running ubuntu and i cant find any bts info on any of them...
[02:25] <Cooner750> Will I be able to save Ubuntu settings after it's installed?
[02:25] <robert_pectol> reka:   On a Mandrake system it's located in /etc/sysconfig/syslog which is not the same as /etc/syslog.conf
[02:25] <airmikey> oh no
[02:25] <Cooner750> (a.k.a. - not lose anything...)
[02:26] <airmikey> dell inspiron 6000
[02:26] <reka> robert_pectol: it wouldn't be ... they're different distros :-/
[02:26] <socomm> ethics: All right.
[02:26] <Cooner750> I cant tell exactly of my partition is ext3 or 2 because windows dosent see that partition so...
[02:26] <w0wz0rz> i cant even install my linux with the boot disc, could someone help me out?
[02:26] <__learner__> hi, can you help me into making my webcam work.
[02:26] <Cooner750> I think EXT3
[02:26] <robert_pectol> reka:   oh, and yes, I have the man page!  Thanks anyway.
[02:26] <Cooner750> ok. burning complete. Going in for boot.
[02:26] <Cooner750> brb
[02:26] <Cooner750> hopefully :-/
[02:26] <reka> robert_pectol: np ... 'm a bit puzzled though :)
[02:26] <reka> *i'm
[02:26] <pbiegaj> anyone somewhat of an expert regarding ndiswrapper and broadcom mini pci wireless card?
[02:26] <__learner__> its LG, and I think it is supported by the OmniVision driver, I would like to know if there is any package for that.
[02:26] <pbiegaj> cards?
[02:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know the answer to this 'What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[02:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> kernel?'
[02:27] <ethics> w0wz0rz, what errors or issues do you have..
[02:27] <pbiegaj> MrGardenHoseMan, I'm pretty sure you have to dl those in ubuntu
[02:27] <pbiegaj> MrGardenHoseMan, you can do apt-get install linux-headers-$(uanem -r)
[02:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> build-essential right?
[02:27] <robert_pectol> reka:   I've googled it a couple of times and have come up empty-handed thus far.
[02:27] <pbiegaj> uname rather
[02:27] <anto9us> pbiegaj: what model of card is it?
[02:27] <socomm> MrGardenHoseMan: You'll need to install that.
[02:27] <ethics> MrGardenHoseMan, /usr/src/kernel-headers (YOUR KERNEL)    if its not there install them
[02:28] <socomm> MrGardenHoseMan: Most of the development stuff is left of to conserve users disk space.
[02:28] <pbiegaj> see that what I'm not certain about and finding the info even from the compaq webiste
[02:28] <reka> robert_pectol: from man page: "Setting the interval to zero turns it off entirely"
[02:28] <pbiegaj> I can give you the lspci output
[02:28] <Nard> OK why is it that when i have more then one thing open that makes noise it will only play the noise made by the first one opened
[02:28] <pbiegaj> anto9us, I'm searching to figure out exactely what model it is right now
[02:28] <anto9us> lspci should show it
[02:29] <reka> robert_pectol: so maybe run: 'syslogd -m 0'
[02:29] <w0wz0rz> what does this error mean? "kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. try passing init= option to kernel"
[02:29] <pbiegaj> 0000:05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02)
[02:29] <ethics> Nard, goto alsa's webpage and find dmix:plugin
[02:29] <j_fletcher> whats the best place for gnome desklets? except the site gdesklets.gnomedesktop?
[02:29] <Nard> alsa's?
[02:29] <supernix> I was curious how can I locate the file where results are cached for BIND9 ?
[02:29] <anto9us> pbiegaj: I have a BCM4309 working on my laptop with ndiswrapper
[02:29] <ethics> w0wz0rz, it means it cant find your hard disks...
[02:30] <w0wz0rz> uh
[02:30] <ethics> w0wz0rz,  thats from boot disk or cdrom etc?
[02:30] <w0wz0rz> alright let me switch the ribbon cable one sec
[02:30] <w0wz0rz> cdrom
[02:30] <Nard> ethics, what is alsa's webpage... maybe some linkage
[02:30] <anto9us> pbiegaj: it's using the driver supplied by Dell for the truemobile 1450
[02:31] <ethics> nard: google alsa linux sound.......alsa-project  i think  its called
[02:31] <pbiegaj> anto9us, I have a compaq presario v2311us
[02:31] <ethics> nard:id link but im on a 56k link atm
[02:31] <Nard> oh
[02:31] <Nard> that's fine
[02:31] <Nard> i'll find it
[02:31] <StabFace> ...I have an inspiron 1100 and I'm have a problem with the resolution and I've checked the forums and done the advice can someone help me if they know how?
[02:31] <lupus1010> gtk uses stock icons
[02:31] <lupus1010> what does qt use?
[02:31] <reka> j_fletcher: aren't gdesklets in the repo?
[02:31] <lupus1010> anyone?
[02:31] <anto9us> pbiegaj: the driver inf file used is bcmwl5a, I've known this driver to work on other manufacturer's laptops
[02:32] <pbiegaj> that's what I"m using right now
[02:32] <lupus1010> is there something like gtk stock icons in qt?
[02:32] <pbiegaj> but I've tried the bcmwl5 driver as well
[02:32] <pbiegaj> the problem is when I try to set the iwconfig parameters
[02:32] <socomm> lupus1010: Yes, they're the crystal icons.
[02:32] <ethics> lupus1010, maybee need to download some but yeah there are
[02:33] <pbiegaj> it says wlan0 not found
[02:33] <reka> !tell StabFace about fixres
[02:33] <anto9us> pbiegaj: the bcmwl5 isn't supported by ndiswrapper, does ndiswrapper list the hardware and driver as present?
[02:33] <pbiegaj> rather no such device sorry
[02:33] <robert_pectol> reka:   Well, not knowing where to put specify option, I stuck the following in /etc/syslog.conf:  SYSLOGD_OPTIONS="-m 0 -r"      Hopefully that'll do it.
[02:33] <pbiegaj> it will list the driver
[02:33] <pbiegaj> my understanding that both drivers work with ndiswrapper
[02:33] <w0wz0rz> ethics
[02:33] <StabFace> thanks let me check rika
[02:33] <lupus1010> socomm, in gtk you can use GTK_STOCK_ICON and it knows what icon I want
[02:33] <w0wz0rz> i just switched the ribbon cables now i get another error
[02:33] <pbiegaj> anto9us, so it's really a pain
[02:33] <reka> robert_pectol: i was under the impression running syslogd would alter the conf file. :-/
[02:34] <lupus1010> how does this in qt work?
[02:34] <anto9us> pbiegaj: didn't for me, I had to unload the bcmwl5 driver before the bcmwl5a would work
[02:34] <robert_pectol> reka:   So far, so good.  No complaints from the logger upon restarting sysklogd...
[02:34] <w0wz0rz> "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[02:34] <ethics> w0wz0rz, is it a better one i wonder hehe.,..whats it saying now hehe
[02:34] <w0wz0rz> basically the same thing
[02:34] <lupus1010> so http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-PRINT:CAPS  but in qt (does it exist or not?)
[02:34] <pbiegaj> anto9us, I tried both independent of one another
[02:34] <ethics> w0wz0rz, yeah...what kind of ide controller is it?
[02:34] <pbiegaj> and still nothing
[02:35] <w0wz0rz> how can i find out lol
[02:35] <ethics> w0wz0rz, sata?  nforce, intell,via,ali,sis?
[02:35] <anto9us> pbiegaj: what does ndiswrapper -l say?
[02:35] <w0wz0rz> ide = ?
[02:35] <lupus1010> any kde developers here?
[02:35] <pbiegaj> anto9us, Installed ndis drivers:
[02:35] <pbiegaj> bcmwl5a driver present
[02:35] <ethics> w0wz0rz, should give you some idea on the bootup screens for bios
[02:35] <vladuz976> can someone help me? my man pages require sudo, what could that be?
[02:35] <w0wz0rz> oh lanparty mobo
[02:35] <anto9us> pbiegaj: does it not say hardware present?
[02:35] <pbiegaj> anto9us, should it?
[02:35] <anto9us> pbiegaj: yes
[02:36] <pbiegaj> anto9us, maybe this card uses a different .inf file
[02:36] <anto9us> pbiegaj: maybe
[02:36] <pbiegaj> anto9us, does ndiswrapper support any other .inf files?
[02:36] <reka> !tell vladuz976 about rootsudo
[02:36] <searcher`> is anyone here having crashing problems with the updated firefox package?
[02:36] <searcher`> my firefox keeps crashing every few minutes, even with a new profile
[02:36] <anto9us> pbiegaj: there's an hardware database on their site I think
[02:36] <searcher`> and no extensions
[02:36] <w0wz0rz> ethics
[02:36] <ethics> w0wz0rz, you may need to probe the drivers yourself etc...id be googling for debian/ubuntu install and your motherboard name model and chipsets stuff....itll be supported by something just not autodetecting
[02:36] <pbiegaj> anto9us, thanks I'll look into it
[02:37] <w0wz0rz> how can i find out what ide i have
[02:37] <robert_pectol> reka:   Anytime I've modified my /etc/syslog.conf file, the changes have stayed so not sure what you're referring to...
[02:37] <brainsick> how does one setup a new hard drive in Ubuntu?
[02:37] <ethics> w0wz0rz, bios info doesnt say much on boot regarding chipsets?  perhaps the manual if you have it?
[02:37] <StabFace> reka: restarting thiank you for your help lets see if this works
[02:37] <w0wz0rz> one sec
[02:38] <reka> robert_pectol: nvm ... i'm probably just confused.  you seem to have fixed it anyway. :)
[02:38] <thespiritoftal> hi
[02:38] <robert_pectol> reka:   Hopefully :-)  Time will tell.  Anyhow, thanks!
[02:38] <reka> np
[02:39] <thespiritoftal> Can someone tell me how to install java to ubuntu? Also someone here gave me a site with some explanations about installing new things to ubuntu... does anyone know that? thanks
[02:39] <anto9us> brainsick: create a partition on it, format it and set mount points to it, you can use gparted to do it
[02:39] <w0wz0rz> it says ide interface with nvidia raid
[02:39] <cw2> how can I tell what the ./configure line for a program was?
[02:39] <brainsick> anto9us: it's on a server install
[02:39] <reka> thespiritoftal: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[02:39] <pax> thespiritoftal: ubuntuguide.org use at your own risk
[02:39] <w0wz0rz> that help ethics?
[02:40] <ghetek> how can i make a super small kernel and just have it use mpg123?
[02:40] <brainsick> anto9us: is it as simple as fdisk / mkfs?  there's no need to get the EVMS stuff involved?
[02:40] <socomm> thespiritoftal:
[02:40] <socomm> !restricted
[02:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:40] <BockBilbo> is there a good rss agregator program for gnome?
[02:40] <anto9us> brainsick: yes, and edit fstab to set your mount points
[02:40] <socomm> thespiritoftal: It's explained on the above like.
[02:40] <blmartin777> Can I use the gnome-wireless network applet in fvwm and how do I invoke it
[02:40] <w0wz0rz> it says i have ide interface with nvidia raid ethics
[02:40] <thespiritoftal> thanks
[02:41] <reka> thespiritoftal: be forewarned the site pax linked to is not held in high regard here...better to use the wiki pages, or ask us directly.
[02:41] <searcher`> BockBilbo: blam is nice
[02:41] <thespiritoftal> I see
[02:41] <brainsick> anto9us: do you have any familiarity with EVMS?
[02:41] <ethics> w0wz0rz, yeah a bit,  try searching google for "nvidia IDE RAID debian Ubuntu installer "  good chance someone knows the nvidia ide stuff better than i,  im always intel 8(
[02:41] <shadeofgrey> anybody here familiar with site5 hosting?
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> my account with them is fubared and i could use some help
[02:42] <anto9us> brainsick: it's quite similar to raid isn't it, only expandable?
[02:42] <w0wz0rz> ethics do ou have msn or aim we could talk on?
[02:43] <BockBilbo> thanks sean13_
[02:43] <BockBilbo> i mean, searcher`
[02:43] <reka> cw2: afaik, a plain './configure' will use the defaults ... read the README/INSTALL file for more info
[02:43] <reka> cw2: what are you installing anyway?
[02:43] <ethics> w0wz0rz, not at the moment unfortunately,  Im on a server in a warehouse heheh i only manage to get xchat text up hehe
[02:43] <Cooner750> HELP
[02:43] <w0wz0rz> ok..so what do i need to get
[02:43] <brainsick> anto9us: it has logical volumes (expandable) and I believe it can do RAID as well, but ... I'm looking for some information on how to make it useful :)
[02:43] <ghetek> Cooner750: no
[02:44] <Cooner750> I get "Could not open /dev/console" and then "Kernal Panic - Not Syncing - Attempted to Kill Init!" Help. I installed; but cant load Ubuntu
[02:44] <w0wz0rz> cooner i get the same second error as you
[02:44] <anto9us> brainsick: any multi-spindle system can do raid
[02:44] <pax> now let's not scare people too much, ubuntuguide.org is not a national security treath or anything like that, it is fine just don't explain the commands so no theory but plain commands.
[02:44] <brainsick> anto9us: how?
[02:44] <Cooner750> anybody? What can I do about this?
[02:45] <j_fletcher> reka: some, but i'm looking for some specific ones to make a nice looking desktop, I know its nothing important, but it's just something I'd like.
[02:45] <Cooner750> I got this same error when trying to load Slax off of a USB pendrive
[02:45] <w0wz0rz> cooner they said that its because the computer cannot find our hard drives lol
[02:45] <reka> pax: well, the ops in here advise against it:
[02:45] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[02:45] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:45] <Cooner750> lovely. So I wasted today partitioning a hard drive for no reason!?
[02:45] <pax> reka: depends what ops we are talking about
[02:45] <cw2> reka: i want to recompile a package that isn't working right (mplayer) and would like a starting place so I'd like to know what was used on the package ubuntu has
[02:45] <w0wz0rz> hey your getting farther then i am :
[02:45] <anto9us> brainsick: what I did was create several raid partitions using the ubuntu installer and then set an array (md0) and added those partitions to it
[02:46] <pax> reka, bob2 is not only op, he also is an employee and link to that site with no warnings or problems :)
[02:46] <Cooner750> !? Are my messages going in one side of the server and out the other?
[02:46] <ubotu> Cooner750: okay
[02:46] <reka> pax: Seveas and nalioth to name two of them
[02:46] <pax> reka, ok and?
[02:47] <w0wz0rz> i feel the same way :\
[02:47] <Cooner750> ugh this is frustrating. Install went perfect
[02:47] <Cooner750> and now it dosent even load
[02:47] <brainsick> anto9us: "create several raid partitions" -- you had to identify them as raid when you created them?  and how did you create the md0 array (or, rather, how would you do it outside of the "ubuntu installer"?)
[02:47] <Cooner750> GRUB even works on the MBR
[02:47] <w0wz0rz> my installer didnt even load yet, dont feel bad
[02:47] <cw2> I'd have to agree that ubunutguide is bunk.. "who to install xchm: apt-get install xchm"... come on, for something that easy wouldn't you just search in the package manager?
[02:47] <anto9us> brainsick: I think parted can do it
[02:47] <Rugmonster> Cooner750: you sure grub is configured properly?
[02:47] <pax> reka, do you think for yourself or let others think and decide for you? tell me what's so dangerous about the guide?
[02:47] <A[D] minS> is there myplayer for ubuntu?
[02:47] <A[D] minS> mplayer*
[02:47] <reka> pax: i admit i can't think of others ... most other ops aren't active when i'm in here...
[02:48] <Cooner750> Rugmonster: Yes. It boots Ubuntu fine, and when Ubuntu starts to load... BAM! error
[02:48] <Cooner750> from
[02:48] <cw2> A[D] minS: yes, it seems to have issues with dvd's though
[02:48] <radiodog_> how does hardware monitoring work in ubuntu?
[02:48] <Cooner750> the Ubuntu side
[02:48] <reka> pax: inclusion of backports n ther sample sources.list
[02:48] <cw2> A[D] minS: or anything with ac3 audio
[02:48] <A[D] minS> cw2, but i can't find it
[02:48] <TheRabbit> Can someone tell me of a SNES emulator that will run on Ubuntu?  and I guess of what I need to do to get it...
[02:48] <cw2> A[D] minS: enable universe and multiverse repositories
[02:48] <Cooner750> .
[02:48] <pax> reka, alright then, dont alarm newbies too much. backports are fine by devs not just ops.
[02:49] <A[D] minS> cw2, all enabled
[02:49] <cw2> A[D] minS: was there for me
[02:49] <benkong2> how can I make sure dhcpd is only serving ip addresses on my eth1?
[02:49] <IIIEars> Cooner750  -  Yah - grub is broken for some configurations really frustrating. - there are a bunch of howtos on the ubuntu forum they are comepletely confusing if you are new to linux
[02:49] <reka> TheRabbit: zsnes and snes9x are in the repo ... you can get them using synaptic/apt-get
[02:49] <Cooner750> any documents on this error?
[02:49] <MrITR> can't seem to play anytype of video with either mplayer or totem .avi or .mpg are there codecs i need to download for this?
[02:49] <Cooner750> I shouldve installed Lilo then?
[02:49] <A[D] minS> cw2, with name mplayer?
[02:49] <brainsick> anto9us: thank you
[02:49] <vladuz976> anybody know how to burn cd's from command line? i get errors with cdrecord
[02:49] <socomm> MrITR:
[02:50] <socomm> !win32
[02:50] <ubotu> socomm: I give up, what is it?
[02:50] <reka> pax: point taken...and you did warn him about the lack of explanation.
[02:50] <coolkev> you ned the win32codec
[02:50] <socomm> !restricted
[02:50] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:50] <A[D] minS> !mplayer
[02:50] <ubotu> mplayer is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[02:50] <socomm> Get the codecs from tehre.
[02:50] <anto9us> brainsick: good luck, and yes, you define the pysical raid partitions before adding them to the logical, software raid.
[02:50] <Cooner750> How does GRUB cause a Kernal Panic?
[02:50] <MrITR> alright
[02:50] <benkong2> anyone? how can I make sure dhcpd is only serving ip addresses on my eth1?
[02:50] <IIIEars> nah - grub is a little easier? - heh - actually lilo needs an extra step to enable it after making changes. - i would stick with grub
[02:50] <socomm> Cooner750: This is most likely a hardware issue.
[02:50] <occy> root@atomic:~ # umount /mnt
[02:50] <occy> umount: /mnt: device is busy
[02:50] <occy> how can I see what's using /mnt ?
[02:51] <cw2> A[D] minS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[02:51] <ethics> occy, fuser lsof
[02:51] <IIIEars> !grub
[02:51] <ubotu> I guess grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[02:51] <coolkev> everytime i boot up ubuntu boot screen is all fuzzy... and then later on it get normal just before it's finished loading
[02:51] <coolkev> anyone know why?
[02:51] <ethics> occy, prolly lsof on the dev...
[02:51] <reka> IIIEars: did you change your nick a day or two ago?
[02:51] <ethics> occy also theres a -l option on umount for forcing it if it happens to be FAM
[02:52] <IIIEars> slightly - yes iiears_
[02:52] <cw2> coolkev: is it an lcd?
[02:52] <gigaclon> anyone know why RealPlayer freezes when i try to play something?
[02:52] <occy> gam_serve  9039    october   73r      DIR       48,8    4096          2 /mnt
[02:52] <A[D] minS> occy, what do u want to do?
[02:52] <cw2> gigaclon: other than realplayer being a steaming turd?
[02:52] <occy> hmm
[02:52] <coolkev> no crt
[02:52] <occy> trying to umount it.
[02:52] <occy> heh
[02:52] <gigaclon> cw2, yeah
[02:52] <anto9us> occy: I've never unmounted /mnt only mounts within it
[02:53] <coolkev> just when it starts to boot up.. the black screen where the kernala nd all that stuff loads it's comlpetely fuzzy
[02:53] <Cooner750> ugh frustrating
[02:53] <gigaclon> I got to have my npr
[02:53] <A[D] minS> umount /mnt ?
[02:53] <crimsun> occy, nautilus being naughty?
[02:53] <occy> crimsun, I think so...
[02:53] <occy> crimsun, hey buddy.
[02:53] <socomm> gigaclon: You ever try using a radio?
[02:53] <occy> crimsun, first 100 mile bike last Saturday!
[02:53] <coolkev> ye nautilus crashes alot
[02:53] <crimsun> occy, try killing nautilus (it'll restart)
[02:53] <w0wz0rz> why doesnt my boot disc go past "Freeing unused kernel memory: 224k freed"?
[02:53] <coolkev> and from time to time so does gnome-panel
[02:53] <crimsun> occy, excellent!
[02:53] <occy> crimsun, gearing up for Ironman Florida! w00p
[02:53] <Cooner750> How can I get back to reconfigure GRUB if somethin is wrong with it?
[02:54] <cw2> Cooner750: boot of the cd
[02:54] <coolkev> is there a keyboard shortcut to opening terminal>?
[02:54] <occy> crimsun, hmmm, killed nautilus
[02:54] <Cooner750> wouldnt that start the installer (again)
[02:54] <robert_pectol> reka:   Are you still around?
[02:54] <occy> and still /mnt is busy.
[02:54] <cw2> Cooner750: then mount and chroot
[02:54] <gigaclon> socomm, i sometimes do that, but mostly too busy, thats why I stream it off npr.org
[02:54] <socomm> coobra: ctl+alt+F<N>
[02:54] <Cooner750> dont forget
[02:54] <Cooner750> I cant run Ubuntu off the HD here
[02:54] <occy> root@atomic:~ # lsof |grep mnt
[02:54] <occy> gam_serve  9039    october   73r      DIR       48,8    4096          2 /mnt
[02:54] <cw2> occy: have you restarted fam yet? /etc/init.d/fam restart
[02:54] <IIIEars> Cooner750 - erm. - before i got the knack of grub /boot/grub/menu.lst editing - i cheated and loaded ubuntu to a second hard drive and used the bios to alternately enable different drives as master/slave
[02:54] <crimsun> occy, you don't have some app with /mnt open, do you?
[02:55] <socomm> gigaclon: You may want to try mplayer with real player codecs, that may work.
[02:55] <Cooner750> brb
[02:55] <occy> crimsun, I did before, not anymore.
[02:55] <Cooner750> let me try the BIOS
[02:55] <occy> cw2, let me try that.
[02:55] <reka> robert_pectol: what's up?
[02:55] <robert_pectol> reka:   I figured it out I think!  The options go directly in the init script for sysklogd as a startup argument!
[02:55] <anto9us> occy: is anything in /mnt mounted?
[02:55] <occy> root@atomic:~ # ls /etc/init.d/fam
[02:55] <occy> ls: /etc/init.d/fam: No such file or directory
[02:55] <coolkev> i have gaim 2.0
[02:55] <gigaclon> socomm, i tryed that with windows media feeds
[02:55] <robert_pectol> In Mandrake they have a separate file which the init script parses for startup args...
[02:55] <occy>  /dev/rd/c0d1          116G   36G   75G  32% /mnt
[02:55] <w0wz0rz> alright im getting pissed off now
[02:56] <coolkev> up and running on ubuntu
[02:56] <socomm> w0wz0rz: Is this a default kernel?
[02:56] <gigaclon> socomm, how would i do that
[02:56] <socomm> Vanilla kernel.
[02:56] <socomm> !restricted
[02:56] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:56] <w0wz0rz> i have not put anything on the hard drive yet
[02:56] <occy> root@atomic:~ # df -h |grep mnt
[02:56] <occy> /dev/rd/c0d1          116G   36G   75G  32% /mnt
[02:56] <robert_pectol> reka:   Anyway, just in case you were interested...
[02:56] <reka> robert_pectol: hehe, thanks.
[02:56] <w0wz0rz> i just got a 64 bit
[02:56] <occy> :/
[02:56] <socomm> gigaclon: Download the win32codecs, that contains rp9, wm9, and qt codecs.
[02:57] <vladuz976> anybody else have this problem with cdrecord
[02:57] <coolkev> cw2: Do you a solution to that problem i had, witht eh fuzzy screne
[02:57] <IIIEars> w0wz0rz - relax take a deep breath and know if you stay someone will walk you through it.
[02:57] <gigaclon> package w32codecs right?
[02:57] <socomm> gigaclon: Yea.
[02:57] <cw2> coolkev: maybe a low refresh rate?
[02:57] <w0wz0rz> ive been here for 20 mins and im still at the same screen :p
[02:57] <cw2> coolkev: or too hihj of one
[02:57] <coolkev> cw2: it happens only when ubuntu first boot right after GRUb where the kernal loads
[02:57] <socomm> gigaclon: It should work fine for audio feeds, I wouldn't be surprised if the video feeds just crapped out though.
[02:58] <cw2> or a crappy monitor
[02:58] <coolkev> cw2: it's like dos so I don't know how there is a resolution problem
[02:58] <coolkev> cw2: it runs perfect after like now
[02:58] <occy> root@atomic:~ # ps aux | grep 9039
[02:58] <occy> october   9039  0.0  0.1   2644  1416 ?        S    20:02   0:00 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[02:58] <occy> root     10787  0.0  0.0   1592   448 pts/1    S+   20:58   0:00 grep 9039
[02:58] <occy> root@atomic:~ #
[02:58] <IIIEars> w0wz0rz, - just logged in could you repeat your question?
[02:59] <w0wz0rz> uh
[02:59] <w0wz0rz> why doesnt my boot disc go past "Freeing unused kernel memory: 224k freed"?
[02:59] <reka> coolkev: edit the ubuntu grub entry and append vga=ask to the end
[02:59] <occy> crimsun, what is gam_server ?
[02:59] <reka> coolkev: then try the different text modes to see if one of them clears it up.
[02:59] <coolkev> reka how do i edit grub?
[02:59] <crimsun> occy, monitors changes to files
[02:59] <occy> can I kill that process?
[02:59] <occy> crimsun, or how do I restart it?
[02:59] <funkyHat> how do i create desktop applets?
[03:00] <bob2> pax: some of the stuff on ubuntuguide is just stupid
[03:00] <reka> coolkev: well, you can edit a file directly if you want ... or you can type vga=ask when the grub menu shows up by pressing 'e'
[03:00] <bob2> pax: the "how to mount a windows partition" stuff looked ok, tho, so I point people at that to avoid typing
[03:01] <crimsun> occy, there's an init script in /etc/init.d/
[03:01] <gigaclon> socomm, no dice on using MPlayer it just does nothing
[03:01] <reka> coolkev: append it to the end
[03:01] <occy> crimsun, root@atomic:/etc/init.d # ls gam*
[03:01] <occy> ls: gam*: No such file or directory
[03:01] <abarbaccia> hey, whats the site that has the list of working wireless cards in ubuntu
[03:01] <madmavric> whats a good repository for installing sun-j2re
[03:01] <pax> bob2: no doubt, but not to the point to bash it or scare the hell outta newbies. a simple warning that the guide is not supported by Ubuntu/the community would be enough :)
[03:02] <Ginsu> Anyone:  How do I share an Icon or panel between multiple users' desktops.
[03:02] <reka> pax: i wasn't that harsh was i? :)
[03:02] <madmavric> whats a good repository for installing sun-j2re
[03:02] <bob2> pax: right
[03:02] <gigaclon> !mplayer
[03:02] <ubotu> methinks mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[03:02] <bob2> Ginsu: you can't
[03:02] <bob2> Ginsu: what are you trying to do?
[03:03] <pax> reka, oh please you are respected and appreciated for what you do, to disagree doesnt mean disrespect :)
[03:03] <bob2> madmavric: no need to repeat...wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:03] <MIK3MAN> heya bob
[03:03] <Ginsu> bob2: similar to sharing stuff like in Windows putting something in the "All Users\Desktop"
[03:03] <bob2> Ginsu: what do you want to put there?
[03:04] <virgule> I have an idea!!  ->a GUI frontend for renice!<- It will work similiar to xkill but is used to renice running processes!
[03:04] <Ginsu> bob2: I'd like to set up common icons and files for my other family members.  It makes it easier for them.
[03:04] <madmavric> whats a good repository for installing sun-j2re
[03:04] <bob2> madmavric: dude, I answered you already
[03:04] <Jet2k5> hey does anyone know what I have to add to my xorg.conf to extend my refresh rate?
[03:04] <crimsun> occy, what about /usr/lib/gam* ?
[03:04] <madmavric> sorry didnt see it
[03:04] <bob2> Ginsu: you can put things in /etc/skel/, and they;ll be copied into new user's home directories
[03:05] <bob2> Jet2k5: it's not simple, and it's card and monitor specific
[03:05] <Jet2k5> bob2: I know what it goes up to
[03:05] <madmavric> bob2 that doesnt answer my question
[03:05] <bob2> Jet2k5: if you're not using a kvm, and ubuntu didn't pick the right refresh rate, please file a bug
[03:05] <Cooner750> Ugh. Here are the errors: http://myfilestash.com/userfiles/Cooner750/darn_errors.html
[03:05] <Jet2k5> bob2: in windows I can go up to 85hz at 1280x1024
[03:05] <bob2> madmavric: er, yes it does
[03:05] <anto9us> virgule: gnome-system-monitor can do that
[03:05] <madmavric> theres no repository listed there
[03:05] <Jet2k5> bob2: well I'm it sort of did and didn't
[03:05] <Ginsu> bob2: But I understand that only works for new user IDs.  I don't want existing family members have to create icons.
[03:05] <Jet2k5> it only leaves me at 60Hz
[03:05] <ethics> its not a repo build..
[03:05] <Jet2k5> but In windows I get the option to go higher
[03:06] <bob2> Ginsu: then you'll have to copy them, sorry
[03:06] <Jet2k5> I'm running this screen of a laptop
[03:06] <cw2> Jet2k5: you need modelines
[03:06] <bob2> Ginsu: or symlink thewir ~/Desktop to somewhere central
[03:06] <Jet2k5> cw2: ok what do I put in?
[03:06] <Cooner750> .......
[03:06] <Ginsu> bob2: link to a common desktop would work.
[03:06] <cw2> Jet2k5: there's a util to gte it for you, hold on
[03:06] <Jet2k5> k thanks
[03:07] <qt2> bash: /usr/local/bin/amute: Permission denied <- why would i be getting this?
[03:07] <madmavric> i dont have time to build it, i just need a repository that has the sun package ready to go
[03:07] <bob2> Cooner750: a) don't be impatient, b) that's with a default kernel?
[03:07] <Cooner750> yes default
[03:07] <bob2> madmavric: sorry, doesn't exist, blame Sun
[03:07] <bob2> or use blackdown, which is old
[03:07] <Cooner750> sorry for being impatient. It's just bugging me
[03:07] <madmavric> yes it does, ive installed from repository before
[03:07] <Ginsu> bob2: Can a single nautilus panel be linked to a common area?
[03:07] <bob2> Ginsu: I don't know hat a nautilus panel is
[03:08] <MIK3MAN> could someone with some experience with java plz PM me. I want to get mine up and running
[03:08] <madmavric> as usual, not much help in here
[03:08] <madmavric> goodbye, on to debian, they at least know how to help people
[03:08] <Ginsu> bob2: panels are the borders in ubuntu that hold the icons and menu.  I may have got the terms wrong.
[03:08] <virgule> my point is to have a mini-app to sit on a toolbar/taskbar/desktop icon that does just that. 1- launch renice GUI frontend 2- point&click a window/app (a box with a slider is shown to the user) 3- use the slider to renice the targeted app
[03:08] <bob2> Ginsu: it's nothing to do with nautilus
[03:09] <bob2> virgule: it's not generally possible
[03:09] <virgule> should be part of xutils
[03:09] <Riddell> lupus1010: I'm a kde developer
[03:09] <MIK3MAN> madmavric: are you talking about java?
[03:09] <bob2> Ginsu: no, I can't think how you would share the panel settings
[03:09] <Ginsu> bob2: Sorry... Gnome panels.  Are they stored someplace that can be linked?
[03:09] <gigaclon> can someone help me get ram files running mplayer ( I have w32codecs ) installed
[03:09] <lupus1010> Riddell, has kde something like the gtk_stock icons?
[03:10] <reka> MIK3MAN: he's gone .. if only he waited 30 seconds:
[03:10] <reka> for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[03:10] <bob2> Ginsu: not simply, gconf looks after it.  what's the advantage of forcing everyone to share a panel config, but not a home directory?
[03:10] <lupus1010> how do you set the printer icon in your apps for example
[03:10] <cw2> Jet2k5: use the program "gtf", for instance, if you want 1280x1024@75 run "gtf 1280 1024 75", then take the ouput and put it in your xorg.conf in your monitor section
[03:10] <Riddell> lupus1010: kdelibs comes with a bunch of icons that are guaranteed to be there
[03:10] <bob2> reka: yes, he/she complained about having to do anything like that
[03:10] <bob2> virgule: since X apps don't have to run o nthe machine running the X server
[03:10] <lupus1010> can you show me some documentation about this?
[03:10] <bob2> virgule: if you wanted to do a special case one, tho, it wouldn't be very hard
[03:11] <lupus1010> and it is in kde and not in qt?
[03:11] <cw2> Jet2k5: you may also need to change the HorizSync to something like 30-100
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> reka: I did all that and this is the msg I get < Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = SableVM]
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/bin/
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/bin/java = Error]
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[03:11] <MIK3MAN> >
[03:11] <Ginsu> bob2:  Basically, I can magically put an icon on everyone's desktop without them have to create one themselves.
[03:11] <Riddell> lupus1010: yes, kde.  qt doesn't come with icons as far as I know
[03:11] <DAC1138> gigaclon, realplayer is in the apt-get ubuntu universe repo, just use that
[03:11] <virgule> it would work just like xkill but it does renice a targeted process value instead of killing it. If I were a programmer it would be done in 5 minutes im sure
[03:11] <bob2> MIK3MAN: please don't paste
[03:11] <virgule> ;)
[03:12] <bob2> virgule: it's easy to claim things you can't do are easy
[03:12] <virgule> bob2: I know a cake is tasty without baking it ;)
[03:12] <bob2> Ginsu: that's not to do with the panel.  just make everyone's ~/Desktop a symlink to /var/tmp/Desktop/ or such and put things in there
[03:12] <Cooner750> ?
[03:12] <lupus1010> Riddell, and where do you find a list with those icons?
[03:12] <Ginsu> bob2:  Thanks.  I give it try.
[03:13] <supernix> I have java installed but it wont work for mozilla
[03:13] <DAC1138> supernix, mozilla or firefox?
[03:13] <supernix> mozilla
[03:13] <supernix> i have not tried firefox yet
[03:13] <DAC1138> supernix, works fine in firefox on hoary
[03:14] <MIK3MAN> supernix: I have the same problem, says mine is installed, but I am trying to config for Azureus
[03:14] <Cooner750> hmm
[03:14] <DAC1138> supernix, i remember for mozilla, there was a ~/.mozilla/plugins folder that you hade to put symlinks in
[03:15] <imcsk8> i have a problem with openoffice, i can't see my printer
[03:15] <w0wz0rz> can someone please tell me how to fix the error "kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. try passing init= option to kernel"
[03:15] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, did you add your printer in system > administration > printing?
[03:15] <DAC1138> w0wz0rz, i have that same problem
[03:16] <Cooner750> w0wz0rx: I'm wondering the same
[03:16] <DAC1138> w0wz0rz, even linuxquestions.org cant help
[03:16] <MIK3MAN> grrr, I am gonna hit distrowatch... bbiab
[03:16] <jasoncohen> supernix, did you install firefox from mozilla's site?
[03:16] <imcsk8> yes, i can print using mozilla but when i try to print a document using openoffice in the pinter dialog i jus see "Generic printer" and not my printer
[03:16] <linuxuser> looking for a better distro? hehe
[03:16] <bob2> DAC1138: w0wz0rz what was the subject of the email you guys sent to the mailing list?
[03:16] <Cooner750> My exact error is here: http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles/cooner750/darn_errors.html
[03:16] <kutucape> w0wz0rz, did you upgrade your kernel?
[03:16] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, so you added your printer and firefox/mozilla shows it by openoffice doesn't? did you restart OO after adding the printer?
[03:17] <DAC1138> bob2, no, i havent sent anything to the mailing list, except for my graphics card glitch a few months back
[03:17] <w0wz0rz> how do i do that?
[03:17] <bob2> DAC1138: I'd suggest asking there
[03:17] <Cooner750> ugh. this is buggin me
[03:17] <Cooner750> I had the same problem with Slax on a pendrive
[03:17] <DAC1138> no, im staying away from the mailing list
[03:17] <bob2> Cooner750: this is a default install?
[03:17] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, yes i even restarted the machine
[03:17] <jasoncohen> supernix, if you install their official build, you need to delete the plugins directory in firefox-installer and do "ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins plugins"
[03:17] <Cooner750> bob2: yes
[03:18] <DAC1138> i sent in my gfx glitch information, and in the next version of ubuntu, total support for my card stopped working
[03:18] <bob2> Cooner750: it never worked?
[03:18] <qt2> would someone mind looking over a script and telling me how to get it working?
[03:18] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, go to system > administration > printing
[03:18] <bob2> DAC1138: and you filed a bug report?
[03:18] <jasoncohen> make sure it shows the printer
[03:18] <Cooner750> on a USB 2.0 External Drive. Starts loading fine and it... it stops. No I just installed it tonight...
[03:18] <DAC1138> bob2, for the gfx card yes
[03:18] <supernix> actually I installed everything from the ubuntu repository
[03:18] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, (by the way i'm using hoary on AMD64) yes i can see it
[03:18] <DAC1138> bob2, and thats when it stopped working in the next ubuntu release (this was back in warty)
[03:18] <bob2> Cooner750: er, is that supported at all?
[03:18] <bob2> I somehow doubt usb modules are in the initrd
[03:18] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, what's the printer?
[03:18] <qt2> !java
[03:18] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:19] <jasoncohen> supernix, and what doesn't work?
[03:19] <Cooner750> yes. It works fine. Ubuntu starts loading and it gets to "Starting Ubuntu..." and the errors are right under that
[03:19] <supernix> brb
[03:20] <jasoncohen> supernix, how did you install java?
[03:20] <jasoncohen> supernix, if you used backports it'll create the links for you
[03:20] <jasoncohen> supernix, if you installed manually you'll have to create the links yourself
[03:20] <jasoncohen> java-package should create the links as well
[03:21] <Cooner750> I have no clue what the issue is. But it is not fun
[03:21] <kutucape> !tuxracer
[03:21] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kutucape
[03:21] <bob2> Cooner750: try asking on the mailing list, I guess
[03:21] <kutucape> hmm, ubuntu has no tuxracer?
[03:21] <Cooner750> hmm....
[03:21] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, , it's a network printer, i'm sure it's working because i just printed a test page
[03:21] <Computer__Guru> hai, fsckers
[03:21] <reka> kutucape: it's in universe
[03:21] <reka> !tell kutucape about repositories
[03:21] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, and the only program it doesn't work with is OO?
[03:21] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, yes
[03:21] <jasoncohen> did you try printing to the generic printer
[03:22] <Cooner750> .. I thought it would work, looks like I was wrong. Ubuntu works great on a LiveCD
[03:22] <imcsk8> ok
[03:22] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, what printer?
[03:22] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, OO shows my networked Epson stylus C84 fine
[03:23] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, hp inkjet 1100
[03:23] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, the generic printer does not print
[03:24] <imcsk8> in my other machine i can see that printer without problem using openoffice, cuould the openoffice for hoary on amd64 be broken??
[03:24] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, i don't know what to tell you...sorry
[03:24] <Computer__Guru> im bored
[03:24] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, the amd64 openoffice is just compiled for 32 bit mode- so it's really like i386
[03:25] <Cooner750> computer__guru: same here
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> and im stoned
[03:25] <imcsk8> jasoncohen, don't worry i have like an hour or so looking through the ubuntu forums
[03:25] <imcsk8> thanks
[03:25] <Cooner750> And i'm having flippant issues with Ubuntu
[03:25] <vladuz976> my man pages need sudo to access them. anybody know how to fix that?
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> like what?
[03:25] <qt2> would someone mind looking over a script and telling me how to get it working?
[03:26] <Cooner750> Ugh: http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles/cooner750/darn_errors.html
[03:26] <Cooner750> stupid thing
[03:26] <bob2> qt2: why don't you just post the url and aks your question?
[03:26] <jasoncohen> imcsk8, this is a shot in the dark but do you get the same problem with OO2?
[03:27] <Cooner750> I spent all day partitioning a HD and then I get this. A kernal panic...
[03:28] <bob2> you're more likely to get an answer if you ask on the list now
[03:28] <bob2> rather than in a week when you're a broke nshell of a human being
[03:28] <Cooner750> bbs
[03:29] <Computer__Guru> what's the name of the x-based sys-v init.d editor?
[03:30] <DAC1138> x based? init.d editor? afaik, init.d can be edited with any text editor
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> it's called ksysv
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> :)
[03:30] <meuserj> I've been playing with breezy, and I'm having some X issues...
[03:30] <bob2> no, you don't use a text editor for that
[03:30] <vladuz976> ubotu: parsing error?
[03:30] <ubotu> vladuz976: I don't know
[03:30] <DAC1138> meuserj, thats why its still in beta
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> you make symlinks
[03:31] <vladuz976> i  know
[03:31] <gigaclon> I installed the realplayer on universe and it won't run
[03:31] <Davey> If I install the kubuntu meta-package, will it replace GDM too?
[03:31] <gigaclon> it just sticks in the process list
[03:32] <kutucape> meuserj, X still broken in breezy
[03:32] <Computer__Guru> ksysv is nice :)
[03:32] <vladuz976> ubotu: green=red
[03:32] <ubotu> I don't know, vladuz976
[03:33] <meuserj> kutucape: it seems to be.. I had it running fine on a vmware virtual machine, but when I install it on a REAL machine, I get X problems....
[03:33] <reka> Computer__Guru: rcconf?
[03:33] <vladuz976> reka: i am smoking crack
[03:33] <kinus> im having some problems with ubuntu, if i start up my machine without the network cabe plugged in it doesnt resolve the localhost...anyway around this?
[03:33] <Computer__Guru> reka: ksysv
[03:34] <kutucape> meuserj, yes, i can't run gdm, so i started X via startx
[03:34] <bob2> kinus: paste your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/hosts to #flood
[03:34] <kutucape> but so far so good after hacking around
[03:34] <meuserj> xfont issues.. and reinstalling xfont-base gives me errors about mkfontdir not existing, which doesn't seem to exist anywhere.
[03:34] <kinus> k, bob2...2 secs
[03:35] <bob2> meuserj: lots of X things in breezy are broken at the moment
[03:35] <meuserj> kutucape: I'm using console apps for now.. irssi
[03:35] <bob2> just put things on hold and sit it out
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> what is acpid?
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> dbus-1?
[03:35] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: You awake?
[03:35] <gigaclon> any reason why realplayer from the universe repository won't run after I installed it
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: yo
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> what is all this crap doing in my init system
[03:35] <bob2> Computer__Guru: it manages ACPI events
[03:36] <Madpilot> hi all
[03:36] <bob2> Computer__Guru: if you don't know what it does, leave it alone
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: vaguely, I have a terrible headcold
[03:36] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: You reckon vicnet might be interested in mirroring 2 500Mb livecd isos?
[03:36] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: <heh>
[03:36] <reka> gigaclon: you running it through terminal or from menu?
[03:36] <kutucape> hi Madpilot
[03:36] <gigaclon> menu
[03:36] <Computer__Guru> i dont believe in that... my debian install didnt have all this crap
[03:36] <reka> HrdwrBoB: you're in melbourne aren't you?
[03:36] <gigaclon> it just sticks in the process list
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> reka: correct
[03:36] <reka> :)
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: heh, I'll see, we're currently renegotiating out link
[03:37] <reka> not surprising that you're ill then
[03:37] <bob2> Computer__Guru: and if you installed sarge, you'd have most of it
[03:37] <gigaclon> same thing happens with the terminal
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> reka: why's that?
[03:37] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: It's 2 isos for a new distro aimed at schools, being developed by Open Source Victoria. LAMP LiveCD.
[03:37] <gigaclon> it just hangs there with no output at all,
[03:37] <bob2> Computer__Guru: anyway, if you don't know wwhat they are, you shouldn't be disabling them.  they all have documentation, if only in the form of their package description.
[03:38] <Computer__Guru> i was running sid and i had like apache, mysqld, and kdm
[03:38] <IIIEars> LAMP - live? - cool
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: oh, well that's not too bad
[03:38] <jcarr> d'oh... is there a freenode channel about job hunting?
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: we could probably do that
[03:38] <bob2> Computer__Guru: you had a lot more than that if your system was useful
[03:38] <abarbaccia> hey- are there packages for madwifi in ubuntu?
[03:38] <cafuego> IIIEars: yeah. Insert cd, boot, be asked to wipe HDD< have cd create accounts for students, with vservers.
[03:38] <IIIEars> mkisof would make an uncrackable webserver no?
[03:38] <zenlunatic> jcarr: i doubt it
[03:38] <DAC1138> cafuego, arent there already like 10 distros aimed at schools?
[03:38] <jcarr> lol.. damn
[03:38] <Computer__Guru> it ran ;)
[03:38] <DAC1138> cafuego, like college linux?
[03:38] <bob2> abarbaccia: the ubuntu kernels include the madwifie drivers already
[03:38] <DAC1138> cafuego, and puppy linux for the lower educated schools
[03:38] <cafuego> DAC1138: No idea, I just try to arrange hosting for it <heh>
[03:38] <zenlunatic> DAC1138: i don't see what defines a "school" distro?
[03:39] <DAC1138> zenlunatic, pc/mac compatibility easily or out of the box
[03:39] <cafuego> zenlunatic: It needs to be able to be used/admined by IT teachers.
[03:39] <DAC1138> zenlunatic, something meant to run on older hardware, like slackware
[03:39] <DAC1138> zenlunatic, lots of things
[03:39] <IIIEars> "lower educated" skoolz?
[03:39] <Computer__Guru> but i'll give yout he benefit of the doubt, and leave everything there except cupsys and gdm
[03:39] <abarbaccia> bob2, i got a dlink card that uses the atheros chipset - but it didnt recognise it - do i gottta tell it to load the modules?
[03:39] <DAC1138> IIIEars, like elemantary or middle school
[03:39] <DAC1138> man, does everyone need an english class again?
[03:39] <Computer__Guru> and ill add apache, mysql, and ssh
[03:39] <IIIEars> Ah - just being silly. - wide grin
[03:39] <bob2> abarbaccia: perhaps it's a dodgy one that needs the acx driver
[03:40] <meuserj> Computer__Guru: why remove cupsys and gdm?  is this not a desktop system?
[03:40] <abarbaccia> bob2, im reading a lot of posts that just say madwifi
[03:40] <bob2> abarbaccia: those people are confused then
[03:40] <Computer__Guru> meuserj: i dont have a printer, and i dont use gdm to manage my xsession
[03:40] <ray_> what happened to java in the repos?
[03:40] <bob2> and probably won't be of much help to you, unfortunately
[03:40] <cafuego> crap, where did my vim terminal go?
[03:41] <gigaclon> GRR
[03:41] <IIIEars> vim vim-oosed?
[03:41] <gigaclon> why is realplayer a piece of shit
[03:41] <gigaclon> i never had this much trouble in windows
[03:41] <bob2> Real has always been terrible
[03:41] <bob2> just use mplayer
[03:42] <reka> gigaclon: run it in terminal and see if it outputs any errors
[03:42] <gigaclon> no errors
[03:42] <meuserj> RealPlayer is utter crap
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> meuserj i agree
[03:42] <gigaclon> /usr/bin/realplay: line 81:  8526 Killed                  $REALPLAYBIN "$@"
[03:43] <gigaclon> yeah mplayer isn't working either with this .ram file I got
[03:43] <meuserj> stupid proprietary codecs....
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> meuserj try helix
[03:43] <abarbaccia> bob2, i loaded the drivers and am rebooting (compiled them) wish me luck!
[03:43] <Madpilot> there are lots of other music players in Ubuntu...
[03:43] <DAC1138> am i the only one who likes realplayer?
[03:44] <DAC1138> mplayer never works for me
[03:44] <gigaclon> can you get it to run?
[03:44] <DAC1138> even with all those codecs installed
[03:44] <DAC1138> gigaclon, yeah, its running fine here
[03:44] <IIIEars> DAC1138 - hm - how to be diplomatic about this. YES!
[03:44] <gigaclon> DAC1138 http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2
[03:44] <gigaclon> can you hear that
[03:44] <DAC1138> IIIEars, because you guys wouldnt know good software if it tore out your eyes
[03:45] <gigaclon> click listen
[03:45] <DAC1138> gigaclon, no, because im not on the ubuntu machine, im on mandrake 10
[03:45] <IIIEars> heh - .ram format - yep sounds good let's reinvent the wheel.
[03:45] <DAC1138> my ubuntu machine is being restored
[03:45] <kinus_> bob2: i was disconnected, will paste in #flood now
[03:45] <Madpilot> cool, they're really going to beam Scotty up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4702503.stm
[03:45] <hanasaki> anyone use mono? get monodevleop to run on ubuntu?
[03:46] <bob2> hanasaki: it runs fine on hoary
[03:46] <Madpilot> hanasaki: I run it to run Muine in Hoary
[03:46] <DAC1138> IIIEars, the same could be said for any video format
[03:46] <hanasaki> bob2:  i am gettgn an exception when i monodevelolpe.  can i paste it ot you in flood?
[03:46] <hanasaki> Madpilot: what si muine?
[03:46] <bob2> hanasaki: ok...
[03:46] <meuserj> hanasaki: it works fine if you are 32bit, but AMD64 mono is broken.. at least it was last time I tried.
[03:47] <gigaclon> can anyone get the stream on that page to work
[03:47] <IIIEars> DAC1138, - true enough - .ram was better when most used slower dial up connections
[03:47] <Madpilot> hanasaki: a music player. similar to Rythymbox
[03:47] <hanasaki> 32bit here... i am on a barton amd
[03:47] <j_fletcher> how do i get the "Weather and Theme sensors" ? I used apt-get to install gdesklets-data with which the themes came, but they're still missing or not working...
[03:47] <Madpilot> except I can't get rythymbox to run right...
[03:47] <DAC1138> IIIEars, its better than .wmv, ill say that
[03:47] <bob2> I wish people would stop saying "32-bit" when they mean "i386"
[03:47] <gigaclon> http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2
[03:47] <hanasaki> thanks Madpilot
[03:48] <hanasaki> mono is c# only right?
[03:48] <IIIEars> DAC1138, - geez - did you want to put in the place of defending microsoft? - Arrrgh
[03:48] <robert_pectol> gigaclon:   I just tried... doesn't seem to be streaming at the moment.
[03:48] <DAC1138> IIIEars, will i get killed for defending them?
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whos defending microsoft? O_O
[03:49] <DAC1138> IIIEars, last time i checked, US citizens were allowed to have their own opinions
[03:49] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, oh god, someone says microsoft and you guys flip out
[03:49] <hanasaki> bob2:  ready in flood?
[03:49] <IIIEars> nah - but your linux communtiy member card will be folded, spindled, and mutilated - lol
[03:49] <bob2> of course
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes and opinions are like a$$holes every one has one :p
[03:49] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i said "IIIEars, its better than .wmv, ill say that" refering to .ram being better than .wmv
[03:50] <meuserj> DAC1138: dude, chill
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars heh
[03:50] <Computer__Guru> DAC1138: we're allowed to have our own opinion, so long as it doesnt go against the ambitions of our leaders
[03:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm just playing around lol
[03:50] <bob2> hanasaki: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <gigaclon> lol at Computer__Guru
[03:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you know i have used windows before and i have never worked with a .ram file what is it?
[03:51] <gigaclon> real audio
[03:51] <meuserj> ChurcH_of_FoamY: real media
[03:51] <Computer__Guru> you think speech is free? walk out your front door and yell that you think someone really should killt he president
[03:51] <Madpilot> what's that lovely quote? "Everyone is entitled to my opinion." Yeah, that's it...
[03:51] <Computer__Guru> see how long you stay free
[03:51] <IIIEars> .Real Audio Media file
[03:51] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, .ram is realplayer, nothing windows specific. its a video format used for streaming video/audio content on the web
[03:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh i'm shure linux will find a way to play that in the future
[03:51] <hanasaki> done
[03:51] <DAC1138> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you're a little behind, it already can
[03:51] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it can already, w/ the right non-Free codecs
[03:52] <gigaclon> i can't get it to work
[03:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh no kidding wow
[03:52] <DAC1138> gigaclon, try helix player
[03:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i am a little bit behind heh
[03:52] <IIIEars> It was innovative because dial-up users got decent sound with it.
[03:52] <abarbaccia> anybody know why ndiswrapper crashes when you go to modprobe it?
[03:52] <gigaclon> i downloaded w32codec and mplayer and realplayer and helix player and streamplayer
[03:52] <gigaclon> try that it won't run it
[03:52] <bob2> abarbaccia: are you using a default kernel?
[03:52] <DAC1138> gigaclon, thats linux multimedia for you
[03:52] <meuserj> gigaclon: get realplayer10, it's on the same site as helix player...
[03:53] <meuserj> gigaclon: helix player and realplayer10 are the same thing, but realplayer10 includes the proprietary codecs.
[03:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i used to like realplayer untill it started spying on me >.<
[03:53] <gigaclon> cept, meuserj it freezes every time i try to play somthing
[03:53] <abarbaccia> bob2, yea - the whole system haults when i go to modprobe it - very odd
[03:53] <bob2> god that's a stupid site
[03:53] <hanasaki> bob2:  any thoughts on my mono?
[03:53] <bob2> I'd expect better from npr
[03:53] <bob2> hanasaki: don't use backports
[03:53] <abarbaccia> bob2, i think im going to upgrade the kernel to a different one and see what i get
[03:53] <bob2> hanasaki: go see if all your mono stuff is from ubuntu or not
[03:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um whats modprobe?
[03:54] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Real on Win was a much better-behaved app after you locked it behind a ZoneAlarm firewall...
[03:54] <hanasaki> bob2:  used backports to get the gaim 1.3.1
[03:54] <hanasaki> bob2:  how do i do that check?
[03:54] <bob2> hanasaki: by hand, I'd assume
[03:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes thats true but it's sad that it has to be done like that
[03:54] <reka> gigaclon: is it possible it's a sound issue?
[03:54] <bob2> or use apt-cache policy
[03:55] <bob2> gigaclon: works fine for me
[03:55] <hanasaki> bob2:  apt-show-version on the installed package?
[03:55] <bob2> gigaclon: with gxine
[03:55] <bob2> hanasaki: yeah
[03:55] <IIIEars> lol - is there a cross platform "bonsai buddy"?
[03:55] <hanasaki> mono-assemblies-base/unknown uptodate 1.1.7-0ubuntu4~5.04ubp1
[03:55] <hanasaki>    unknown?
[03:55] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: RealAlternative was (slightly) illegal but great for Windows
[03:55] <bob2> gigaclon: they're talking about how sexy ankles were in the early 20th centry
[03:56] <bob2> hanasaki: there you go
[03:56] <eathand> can i ask a question?
[03:56] <Computer__Guru> like since i dont use pppoe or any other kind of dialup technology, can i get rid of ppp?
[03:56] <bob2> hanasaki: complain to the backports people, I guess
[03:56] <cw2> IIIEars: yeah, you start it with "rm -Rf /*"
[03:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you know i don't care if it was or wasen't but it did work pritty well
[03:56] <bob2> eathand: of course...
[03:56] <hanasaki> ah
[03:56] <eathand> thanks bob2
[03:56] <hanasaki> and just use any mono from hoary nonbakcports?
[03:56] <hanasaki> eathand?
[03:56] <bob2> hanasaki: from ubuntu, yes
[03:56] <eathand> lovin ubuntu, where to find info on installing packages
[03:56] <eathand> eathand = long story
[03:57] <eathand> ubuntu yes
[03:57] <Madpilot> eathand: Synaptic
[03:57] <bob2> eathand: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:57] <eathand> thanks, want to install open office beta 1.9, can I?
[03:57] <gigaclon> it could be
[03:57] <gigaclon> gxine?
[03:58] <Discipulus> What up peeps?
[03:58] <Wckdkl0wn> is it possible to view a webcam in yahoo with gaim?
[03:58] <bob2> eathand: in hoary, yes
[03:58] <bob2> gigaclon: indeed
[03:58] <eathand> great, thanks
[03:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what about with msn messenger ?
[03:58] <eathand> hows bout Nvu?
[03:58] <bob2> eathand: not in ubuntu
[03:58] <hanasaki> bob2:  backports is evil?
[03:58] <hanasaki> ever had a need for it yourself?
[03:59] <bob2> hanasaki: no, theyre just sometimes crap
[03:59] <bob2> nope
[03:59] <gigaclon> reka how would know if it was a sound issue
[03:59] <eathand> thanks again, any recs for a decent wysiwyg editor for ubuntu?
[03:59] <hanasaki> somehow  i couldnt get the gaim 1.3.1 /wo it before
[03:59] <bob2> hanasaki: sure, 1.3.1 isn't in haory
[04:00] <hanasaki> ah.
[04:00] <bob2> and never will be
[04:00] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i dont use dialup, do i need the ppp init script started at every runlevel?
[04:00] <Madpilot> eathand: it's not WYSIWYG, but I really like Screem for HTML work.
[04:00] <bob2> only you can answer that
[04:00] <bob2> probably not
[04:01] <eathand> thanks mp
[04:01] <reka> gigaclon: e.g. xmms/bmp usually freezes when playing an mp3 file if the output plugin is not set to esound or alsa
[04:01] <eathand> will work in ubuntu?
[04:01] <bob2> Computer__Guru: actually, leave it alone
[04:01] <reka> gigaclon: thought it might be something similar
[04:01] <Computer__Guru> ugh
[04:01] <Computer__Guru> allt hese processes
[04:01] <Computer__Guru> heh
[04:01] <bob2> Computer__Guru: dude
[04:01] <jurgonh> since i have changed from Windows to Linux my DVD-drive is muuuuch slooover... why? what can i do about it?
[04:01] <bob2> you're out of your depth, it seems
[04:01] <Computer__Guru> whats it doin?
[04:01] <bob2> read the top 10 lines of the ppp init script
[04:01] <nmorse> Anyone in here know why one might get a 'Permission denied' error using 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[04:02] <nmorse> Don't leave, Church!
[04:02] <hanasaki> bob thanks.. mon is running
[04:02] <bob2> it doesn't do anything
[04:02] <gigaclon> bob2: YOU ARE A GODSEND!!!!!
[04:02] <Computer__Guru> i see
[04:02] <Madpilot> !dma
[04:03] <DAC1138> eathand, wysiwyg html editors?
[04:03] <Madpilot> hmmm... is ubotu responding to all msgs by private chat now?
[04:03] <DAC1138> eathand, try nvu.com or like he said, screem is good, so is quanta
[04:03] <bob2> hanaGone: yo ushould drop them a line saying that their packages don't work
[04:03] <Madpilot> eathand: there's also Bluefish, but it's also a handcoding editor, not wizzy
[04:04] <Madpilot> !html
[04:04] <Computer__Guru> brb
[04:04] <eathand> i'm old, lazy and new to linux, lookin for wysiwyg
[04:04] <eathand> used nvu in win and like it.
[04:05] <gigaclon> wysiwyg what?
[04:05] <Madpilot> eathand: I think there are .deb files for nvu
[04:05] <zenlunatic> eathand: editor for what?
[04:05] <eathand> html
[04:05] <jurgonh> since i have changed from Windows to Linux my DVD-drive is muuuuch slooover... why? what can i do about it?
[04:05] <bimberi> eathand: if you must have it, nvu is available in (the evil) backports
[04:05] <nmorse> I thought my friend was lying when he said his wireless questions were ignored on here
[04:05] <nmorse> So much for the friendly support community
[04:05] <zenlunatic> nmorse: no one owes you anything
[04:05] <bob2> nmorse: please don't be so silly
[04:05] <cw2> jurgonh: enable dma using the hdparm tool
[04:05] <Madpilot> ubotu tell jurgonh about dma
[04:05] <reka> jurgonh: enabled DMA?
[04:06] <Ginsu> Anyone: newbie question--- what does "~/" refer to?  Is it the home directory?
[04:06] <gigaclon> wireless is the single biggest issue in Linux period
[04:06] <bob2> nmorse: shockingly, nto every question can be simply answered on irc
[04:06] <kevin> Amaranth: was it you who lost the wireless when getting the mouse pad working?
[04:06] <nmorse> Of course no one owes me anything
[04:06] <bob2> nmorse: do you want all 404 people to say "Sorry, don't know?"
[04:06] <jcarr> nmorse, eh!? Ubuntu probably has the friendliest community you'll find...
[04:06] <zenlunatic> Ginsu: thats the root, the highest part of the disk heirarchy
[04:06] <reka> nmorse: not true ... just that the wireless 'experts' might not be active atm
[04:06] <bimberi> Ginsu: yes
[04:06] <cw2> nmorse: just cause we don't know doesn't mean we aren't friendly
[04:06] <jcarr> nmorse, you want a rude community? Go try #linux on undernet
[04:06] <bob2> nmorse: asking on the list is a way better idea
[04:06] <Ginsu> Thanks
[04:06] <zenlunatic> nmorse: go try the BSD community you'll come back crying
[04:06] <jcarr> zenlunatic, lol
[04:06] <nmorse> I've been hanging out in #kubuntu for a couple months answering questions and I've never seen a day like this
[04:06] <gigaclon> jcarr, I agree
[04:06] <DAC1138> nmorse, you know, we answer a lot of questions, it gets tiring seeing the same question that cant be answered
[04:07] <cw2> nmorse: someone could have said "well obviouly you just have the rights"
[04:07] <bob2> #kubuntu is far less active than here
[04:07] <wm_eddie> :( Breezy needs to get X working again.  I need to test out how the newer stuff works on my laptop.
[04:07] <nmorse> And, ##freebsd is a very helpful channel
[04:07] <zenlunatic> nmorse: what is your question anyway?
[04:07] <zenlunatic> nmorse: good for ##freebsd
[04:07] <DAC1138> zenlunatic, oh yes, BSD. i got devoiced and booted form #freebsd for proving a guy wrong. turns out he was an op and didnt like it
[04:07] <zenlunatic> DAC1138: heh
[04:07] <nmorse> Why would 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' give a permission error?
[04:07] <Madpilot> DAC1138: heh... that was subtle on the ops part...
[04:08] <Cooner750> back
[04:08] <gigaclon> nmorse, look at the ubuntu forums, every second question was about wireless
[04:08] <bob2> a "permission error" is kinda vague, you'd be better telling us the actual error
[04:08] <nmorse> FATAL: Permission denied
[04:08] <nmorse> Not a hard error to mistake
[04:08] <bob2> awesome, thanks
[04:09] <DAC1138> Madpilot, yeah. i proved the guy wrong, ge gets ops, and devoices me. i leave, some back, i have my voice, i ask a few more questions, they devoice me because they didnt want me in there i guess, so i left. the did a /whois, followed me around the different freenode channels i was in and harassed me
[04:09] <Cooner750> Could someone explain what
[04:09] <Cooner750> oops
[04:09] <neighborlee> been a bit since i've been in linux and it  seems synatpic update client is confused as it is reccommending I do dist-upgrade to iron out dependencies..i'm using breezy  so while expected such things im wondering if I should just bail at this point and reinstall ? ;-))
[04:09] <BeefTube> anyone know when ubuntu or Debian will get blender 2.37a in the apt repository? TIA :D
[04:09] <Madpilot> DAC1138: that's pathetic. remind me not to bother ever using freeBSD... ;)
[04:10] <Cooner750> Could someone explain what "Kernal Panic - Not Syncing: Attempted to Kill init" means? (seems like a real descriptive error... :-/. )
[04:10] <bob2> BeefTube: is it in breezy?
[04:10] <qt2> ...is there a way to extrazt .7z files in linux?
[04:10] <DAC1138> Madpilot, yeah, thats when i gave up on BSD. i didnt even download an ISO
[04:10] <neighborlee> BeefTube, might need to write maintainer I guess or just download from blender3d.org
[04:10] <BeefTube> dont think so
[04:10] <bob2> Cooner750: that's not the error, that was the previous line
[04:10] <bob2> qt2: yes, get 7zip
[04:10] <bob2> neighborlee: lots of things are uninstallable, just wait for a while ( = days)
[04:10] <DAC1138> Madpilot, that was a bad example to set for the BSD community
[04:10] <BeefTube> yea, I am 64bit, i need APT version... chroot is too complex for me 8)
[04:10] <abarbaccia> hey all - bob2 im still having trouble loading ndiswrapper
[04:10] <bob2> awesome
[04:11] <nmorse> So much for the 'could you reask the question and we'll provide a response' idea
[04:11] <DAC1138> neighborlee, why are you using breezy?
[04:11] <Madpilot> will the Linspire/Debian version of nvu run in Hoary?
[04:11] <bob2> nmorse: good god,shut up
[04:11] <DAC1138> neighborlee, anything it provides over the stable hoary?
[04:11] <neighborlee>  bob2: yes as I suspected..I just can't  stay out oflinux that long and the OS seems rather iffy at best ( Again I expected such things)..are we talking DAYS or just a few days do you know...
[04:11] <bob2> I'm reading the damn kernel source for you
[04:11] <neighborlee> DAC1138, DUDE ;))heh
 yes :)
[04:11] <DAC1138> Madpilot, yeah, im using that version
[04:11] <bob2> nmorse: stop whinging
[04:11] <bob2> Madpilot: probably not
[04:12] <neighborlee> DAC1138, well no.I waS enticed to help out with new release (reports) and I was curious about the new features anyway
[04:12] <Cooner750> anyone know what this means: "/sbin/init: 428: Cannot open /dev/console: No Such File"
[04:12] <bob2> neighborlee: "iffy at best"? you mean breezy? yes, it's under heavy development.
[04:12] <DAC1138> neighborlee, ah. what new features?
[04:12] <Cooner750> and whatever this is
[04:12] <Madpilot> DAC1138: thnx. might have to see what the fuss is about. always been an HTML/CSS/PHP handcoder, never tried any of the wizzy editors
[04:12] <Cooner750> "pivot_root: No such file or directory"
[04:12] <neighborlee> bob2: yup I realized...np
[04:12] <bob2> Cooner750: that means /dev isn't mounted properly for some reason
[04:12] <bob2> Cooner750: it never booted prpoerly?
[04:13] <Cooner750> nope. I had just got done installing it and booted it. And it done that the first time
[04:13] <TokenBad> in xchat is there a way to auto receive files?
[04:13] <DAC1138> Madpilot, yeah, its not a .deb or anything, its a prebuilt binary. it runs perfectly on here
[04:13] <neighborlee> DAC1138, frankly now I dont recall but I know there are several...if I recall ? one of them is slightly more refined booting (faSter ?>)
[04:13] <Cooner750> and everytime
[04:13] <bob2> Cooner750: so you never made it to the second stage of the installer?
[04:13] <IIIEars> Help for the slow DVD drive. - especially with nforce2 chipsets  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=263840#post263840
[04:13] <Cooner750> bob2: no
[04:13] <DAC1138> neighborlee, lol. im sold when people say faster booting
[04:14] <DAC1138> neighborlee, when suse popped out 9.0, they said it boots 2 times faster. i ran online, bought my personal edition (not pro) and get it, and it turns out, it was fasle advertising
[04:14] <neighborlee> DAC1138, well make sure to verify  ..im not 100% sure thats one of the improvements but it seemed like it was...( that is from memory)
[04:14] <DAC1138> neighborlee, the 2 times faster boot was only for pro, which they didnt say on their website or amazon.com
[04:14] <neighborlee> DAC1138, I migbht be thinking of hoary I dunno..
[04:14] <DAC1138> neighborlee, hoary i konw boots really fast
[04:14] <neighborlee> yup
[04:14] <hybrid_goth> could someone give me insight on ubuntu light?
[04:15] <bob2> hybrid_goth: talk to the guy working on it, it's not official related to ubuntu
[04:15] <neighborlee> DAC1138, good ole suse...suse pro 9.3 I hear is kewl but I never did like their IRC channel much..
 it is Ubuntu only lighter... I am not quite sure
[04:15] <neighborlee> DAC1138, plus i've grown to really like apt it seems <G>
[04:15] <DAC1138> neighborlee, their irc help is okay, ive gotten problems solved there
[04:15] <DAC1138> neighborlee, thats whats keeping me away from suse, the apt system
[04:15] <neighborlee> yeah same here..I had other issues
[04:16] <neighborlee> DAC1138, heh yeah