[00:02] <s3th> beuno: sorry, i copied the wrong one. the correct link is: http://ubuntuone.com/p/6Fw/
[00:03] <beuno> hrm
[00:03] <beuno> none of the public URLs seem to work
[00:05] <s3th> yes, in fact :\
[00:05] <beuno> s3th, I've alerted the sysadmins, will try and fix it shirtly
[00:06] <s3th> beuno: thank you for your help
[00:12] <beuno> s3th, fixed
[00:13] <s3th> beuno: hmm, httpd gives to me error 502 (proxy error)
[00:13] <beuno> s3th, still?
[00:13] <beuno> did you reload?
[00:13] <s3th> beuno: fixed right now
[00:13] <s3th> thak you
[00:14] <beuno> great
[00:14] <s3th> thank*
[00:14] <beuno> you're welcome
[00:14] <s3th> bye
[02:20] <owenlnix> Need some help. U1 is giving me a server rescan error, no big deal some kind of connection issue, but now the app is using 600MB of ram. This issue has been going on for a week.
[02:22] <owenlnix> Is there anyway to kill the program at a mem threshold? Ulimit doesn't seem to stop it.
[02:38] <owenlnix> ok honk
[02:52] <owenlnix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/445840/  << is my syncd log. I was using the default client, but today upgraded to the ppa.
[03:05] <duanedesign> clear
[03:21] <owenlnix> hello duanedesign. Nice weather in t-town this eve. Hello from an Ubuntu user from Sand Springs.
[09:23] <duanedesign> good morning!
[09:25] <rye> duanedesign, hello!
[09:25] <rye> Sync username: <ubuntuone.funambol.model.model.FunambolUser object at 0x20b3b710>
[09:25] <rye> Sync password: 29647583
[09:25] <rye> :-)
[09:26] <duanedesign> sync speed is awesome \o/
[09:28] <duanedesign> guess i should be more specific. File sync speed has improved a lot.
[09:29] <rye> duanedesign, fs-1 is running through pgbouncer, fs-2 connects to database directly, so once the team switches fs-2 to stop stressing the db it should be even faster!
[09:29] <rye> duanedesign, fs-1 = a group of servers that are visible from outside world as fs-1.one.ubuntu.com :)
[09:43] <duanedesign> rye: kinda weird. http://fpaste.org/1y3U/
[09:43] <rye> duanedesign, what exactly is weird?
[09:43] <duanedesign> im not doing those current_status/current_download calls
[09:44] <rye> duanedesign, rhythmbox with ubuntuone-plugin ?
[09:44] <duanedesign> :)
[09:45] <rye> duanedesign, currently rb plugin invokes current status / current downloads instead of waiting for the signals from syncdaemon for the percentage of the completed transfers because those signals do not exist
[09:45] <rye> yet
[09:46] <duanedesign> ahhh. i just never noticed it before.
[09:46] <duanedesign> rye: i had started Rhythmbox earlier to test a bug
[10:08] <wgrant> I noticed during my testing this morning that syncing was actually reasonably quick now, yeah.
[10:09] <wgrant> Is CouchDB going to return at some point?
[10:09] <rye> wgrant, hi
[10:09] <wgrant> Hi rye.
[10:10] <rye> wgrant, first of all yes, half of the servers are running through intermediate layer that prevents database from being stressed too much, second half of the servers should be converted during this week
[10:11] <rye> wgrant, second - there was an attempt to turn on couchdb replication last thursday which produced extremely high load on all couchdb servers since all clients decided to start replicating nearly at the same time. The current plan is to enable replication for first 5000 users and then gradually increase this number
[10:11] <rye> wgrant, so yes, CouchDB is returning
[10:12] <duanedesign> good news
[10:12] <wgrant> Aha.
[10:12] <wgrant> Yay.
[10:26] <rye> vds, hi! when you mentioned that funambol sync is modeled after WinCE addressbook implementation did you mean that about the funambol itself or json connector?
[10:29] <vds> rye: obth
[10:29] <vds> both
[10:29] <rye> :(
[10:31] <BlackZ> hey rye how're you doing?
[10:32] <rye> BlackZ, hi, doing fine, and you?
[10:32] <BlackZ> rye: fine too, thanks!
[11:35] <AJenbo> Hi, i have multiple phones but i don't seam to be able to add more then one on the https://one.ubuntu.com/phones/ page
[11:36] <AJenbo> Also i have multiple computers (and phones), but i have not once been able to get evolution to import/sync the contacts from U1
[11:37] <rye> AJenbo, it is not obvious right now but you don't need to add multiple phones - you can use the same credentials for all your devices
[11:38] <rye> AJenbo, regarding evolution sync - CouchDB replication is currently disabled. The plan is to enable it gradually for all users during this and next week I believe
[11:39] <AJenbo> I have 42 contacts, 2 created using the web interface the rest was created using my phone, when i create them in Evolution they don't reach U1 and contacts on U1 dosn't transfer to Evo
[11:43] <AJenbo> rye, isn't it a bit odd then that i have to sleect a specific model?
[11:44] <rye> vds, is specific model setting related to the instruction for client setup only?
[11:44] <AJenbo> Arh
[11:44] <AJenbo> Another thing, on my Android i use Funambol Sync client to sync with U1
[11:45] <AJenbo> But when ever i want to update a contact it gives me a time out and tells me to kill the client
[11:45] <AJenbo> I can create new contacats perfectly fine, but updating old once never work.
[11:46] <AJenbo> I have to go to the web interface and merge old and new contacts, or just edit the existing one directly in the web interface.
[11:50] <AJenbo> rye, i have ben using Evo and U1 since beta 2 of Lucid, (don't remember if it was in karmic), has the sync been disabled the whole time.
[11:52] <rye> AJenbo, it was disabled a month ago (digging the archives to find exact date)
[11:53] <rye> AJenbo, first of May
[11:53] <AJenbo> Well it never worked for me, my Evo U1 address book is still as empty as a newly dug shalow grave
[11:53] <AJenbo> The same is true for syncing bookmarks in Firefox
[11:54] <AJenbo> Bookmarks did partially work in Karmic, but it slowed firefox start up time to around 1½ minut, and would recreated deleted bookmarks and delete new once.
[11:56] <rye> AJenbo, both bookmarks and contact syncing are based on desktopcouch replication therefore they are not syncing at the moment. There was an attempt to reenable it last Thursday but the amount of incoming traffic rendered the system completely unusable so that's why this week the replication will be turned on for first 5000 users and then more and more users will be enabled based on the system performance.
[11:56] <rye> One more
[11:57] <AJenbo> Do you think that using a Danish Ubuntu be the reason why it never worked
[11:57] <rye> File sync announcement - the reconfiguration for file sync service is now being performed. This should not cause unrecoverable failures but in case you are wondering why client reconnects so often then this is the reason why.
[11:58] <rye> AJenbo, no, this is not locale-dependent
[11:58] <AJenbo> I know it is causing some major issues with the gnome-keyring (it won't remember the default keyring unless it is initially created on a english system)
[12:00] <rye> AJenbo, hm?
[12:00] <rye> AJenbo, is there a bug report for that since it looks like it is not really ubuntuone-specific issue
[12:01] <AJenbo> yeah there is a bug report one that, goneme-keyring dosn't handle file names with non a-z0-9 chars in it
[12:02] <AJenbo> some one felt utf8 was to much work to support on a system that uses utf8 on it's default file system :/
[12:02] <AJenbo> and then decided that the default-keyring file name should be translatable
[12:05] <AJenbo> "standard-nøglering" oh there we go 250K broaken systems
[12:06] <AJenbo> The bug report is from a french guy so apparently the final number is alot higher
[12:06] <AJenbo> Andy way...
[12:08] <AJenbo> rye: you say that the sync was disabled last month but how come it hasn't worked for me for almost 3?
[12:08] <rye> AJenbo, are you talking about file sync or contacts/bookmarks sync since they are separate projects?
[12:10] <AJenbo> yes both bookmakrs and contacts has not worked for me for the entire time that i have been running lucid
[12:11] <AJenbo> Also i think you guys should make it bloodly ovious that some of the major functions of U1 is disabled, make it a read line in the client, or gray out the boxes, give it a link, paist it on all the help pages on the U1 website that tells the user how to make it work, because if it is disabled it won't work no mathere how close they follow your instruations.
[12:13] <AJenbo> I love all the work you done. Just a bit fustrated with some of the things that dosen't work. Keep up the good work :)
[12:14] <rye> https://one.ubuntu.com/dashboard/ - Notes and Contacts sync between desktops and the cloud is disabled while we ramp up for the new users. Sorry for the inconvenience. - i suspect that this should be somehow highlighted
[12:15] <AJenbo> http://identi.ca/notice/30702805
[12:15] <AJenbo> looks like it will only affect users for that one saturday
[12:15] <AJenbo> not a month a week and then some
[12:16] <AJenbo> There should probably be a current status flag some where.
[12:16] <rye> AJenbo, yes, it is not obvious :-/
[12:16] <AJenbo> dektopsync: disabled, filesync: running. Ore some thing to that account
[12:17] <AJenbo> Did you have an idear for the issue i have with updating contacts from my Android phone, or should i contact some one else about that issue?
[12:17] <AJenbo> It's a HTC Desire
[12:17] <rye> vds, ^
[12:23] <AJenbo> by the way i think it is grate that you picked an existing and open format like SyncML, it makes deplyment so much easyer for both you and the customer
[12:23] <AJenbo> And it dosn't seam to be a bad format either :)
[12:29] <AJenbo> Hope you eventually get to add a calender to U1 :)
[13:38] <AJenbo> Still no word from vds?
[13:41] <rye> AJenbo, ah, sorry  teknico is now in charge of mobile sync - teknico -  Another thing, on my Android i use Funambol Sync client to sync with U1
[13:41] <rye>  But when ever i want to update a contact it gives me a time out and tells me to kill the client
[13:41] <rye>  I can create new contacats perfectly fine, but updating old once never work.
[13:41] <rye>  I have to go to the web interface and merge old and new contacts, or just edit the existing one directly in the web interface.
[13:42] <beuno> so
[13:42] <beuno> we haven't rolled out the latest server software that adds official support for android
[13:43] <beuno> we hope to within the next 2 weeks, we need to finish testing the upgrade
[13:45] <rye> beuno, right now - bug #590675
[13:45] <ubot4> rye: Bug 590675 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/590675 is private
[13:45] <rye> beuno, is there any special treatment for google android sync from the server-side ?
[13:46] <beuno> rye, yes
[13:47]  * duanedesign just read an article on dual booting an iphone with Android >:)
[13:50] <rye> beuno, :(... Hm, maybe there's something there that made Motorola A1200 Sync lose * and #... if there is some model-specific adjustments then how would it work for multiple phones - say 1 Google Nexus One and 2. Nokia S60-based ?
[13:50] <rye> is the detection User-Agent based?
[13:51] <beuno> rye, I don't know, to be honest
[13:51] <beuno> androids have a specific client
[13:51] <beuno> so it may have to do with how that client talks to the server
[13:52] <beuno> I think your motorola does it natively
[13:56] <rye> beuno, last time i checked that tcpdump it was bringing brokeness from the server-side to the phone... well, once i recover the phone (which is suffering now from an unrelated issue) will try to do tcpdumping once again
[13:56] <rye> AJenbo, see beuno's answer - we haven't rolled out the latest server software that adds official support for android
[13:59] <beuno> rye, right, I'm not saying that the server isn't broken for your phone  ;)
[14:06] <AJenbo> oh :/
[14:08] <AJenbo> rye i hat standard implementations with quirks (not pointing at U1), it makes it hard to code for them.
[14:10] <AJenbo> beuno: I use the funambolic client for my android (same client as was recomented for my iPhone), is there still difference in the way it talks?
[14:16] <beuno> AJenbo, yes, we need to upgrade the server
[14:43] <AJenbo> beuno, thanks
[15:14] <hebz0rl> hello i want to use the couchdb of ubuntuone in my mono application but i need some autentification where do i get that?
[15:14] <rye> hebz0rl, local credentials are available in gnome-keyring
[15:15] <hebz0rl> rye, i see thank you!
[15:17] <mr_chris> Hi there. I'm having difficulty again downloading music I've purchased. The music does appear on the Ubuntu One web client but isn't downloading. I've tried "unsticking" the download by creating a temporary file in the purchased music directory and resetting my connection with u1sdtool --quit; u1sdtool --connect; Here is my Ubuntu One status http://pastebin.com/zf8PYThe
[15:24] <benste> hi, i treid to add a new payment card to my ubuntu one account - I've already payed with a credit card but want to use my EC-Cash (GiroPay card)
[15:24] <benste> the Icon named "maestro" is there
[15:24] <benste> but I can only choose Visa or Mastercard in the dropbdown box
[15:25] <benste> -- what am I doing wrong ?
[15:29] <benste> someone here ?
[15:32] <mr_chris> I guess not.
[15:32] <mr_chris> I'm waiting around for help myself.
[15:38] <benste> :-) that's the usual procedure in here - but i really understand it - if they invest a lot of time coding it they have to do some payed work too :-)
[15:38] <benste> mr_chris: may I help you with your problem ?
[15:38] <mr_chris> benste: Of course your can. Just let me know what information you need.
[15:39] <mr_chris> benste: s/your/you
[15:39]  * rye is reading the backlog...
[15:39] <benste> mr_chris: first of all I'd like to hear your question - I didn't get it as I joined later :-)
[15:40] <mr_chris> benste: "Hi there. I'm having difficulty again downloading music I've purchased. The music does appear on the Ubuntu One web client but isn't downloading. I've tried "unsticking" the download by creating a temporary file in the purchased music directory and resetting my connection with u1sdtool --quit; u1sdtool --connect; Here is my Ubuntu One status http://pastebin.com/zf8PYThe"
[15:40] <rye> mr_chris, re- music - currently servers are being atively reconfigured so that the connection do not get to download the data
[15:40] <benste> mr_chris: and there you got your answer
[15:40] <rye> mr_chris, i had 10 or so disconnects during last 20 minutes and authentication phase is long, which is being fixed as we talk
[15:40] <dobey> there's also an update in lucid-proposed that may fix the music download issue for you
[15:40] <dobey> it has been working well for a few other people it seems
[15:40] <mr_chris> rye: Ok. So I should just wait it out, then?
[15:41] <mr_chris> benste: Thanks
[15:41] <benste> dobey: rye btw. so you don't recommend me to buy some music titles now but better wait a few hours ?
[15:41] <rye> dobey, is this the planned SRU ? Btw, is there a list of lp bugs that were fixed there?
[15:41] <dobey> rye: this is just the one fix for the music store, not the new stable release
[15:42] <dobey> err
[15:42] <dobey> s/store/downloads/
[15:42] <rye> dobey, ah, :(
[15:42] <dobey> rye: but if you approve my branch, then i can at least land it and make a stable tarball release, and work on getting the rest of the updates in an SRU also :)
[15:43] <rye> dobey, is that branch for device list error?
[15:44] <dobey> yes
[15:51]  * rye reviews
[15:59] <rye> dobey, re - fix for empty device list error - if e.g. there are no devices but the key is present in gnome keyring (i.e. user removed all entries from /account/machines) - then what should be done by the software?
[16:04] <dobey> should always show the "<LOCAL MACHINE>" bit at a minimum in any case where the actual list isn't retrieved, and if none of that list match the local id (which would be a very odd problem, which should never happen)
[16:18] <rye> dobey, how will user re-add the machine then?
[16:19] <kazade> my ubuntuone client is stuck flipping between "doing auth dance" and "waiting to retry" I've seen this is a known problem... is there a magical incantation somewhere to fix it or are the servers just busy?
[16:21] <rye> kazade, currently the servers are being reconfigured to provide faster file sync that may cause clients to disconnect/reconnect very often
[16:22] <dobey> rye: will have to delete the token from the keyring
[16:22] <rye> dobey, not really user-friendly
[16:22] <dobey> no
[16:23] <rye> dobey, if token is not usable then i think it should be discarded and new token should be allocated...
[16:24] <dobey> we don't have a good way to know that it's really not usable though
[16:24] <dobey> if authentication just happens to fail for some unrelated reason (network drops or something), the token isn't necessarily 'invalid'
[16:24] <dobey> and we really need to be able to remove it from the server also at the same time
[16:25] <dobey> to avoid the duplicate token issue
[16:25] <rye> dobey, true, i remember that neverending happy token adding on every startup... 401 ?
[16:26] <rye> dobey, is there a bug report regarding the behavior when all items are removed from /account/machines that you may know of?
[16:26] <dobey> it was because other errors were coming through as AUTH_FAILED sometimes
[16:26] <dobey> no
[16:27] <rye> dobey, ok, approving this merge and will create a new ticket about handling of rare but not completely impossible condition :)
[16:28] <dobey> rye: what currently happens in that case?
[16:28] <rye> dobey, nothing
[16:28] <dobey> huh
[16:28] <dobey> ok
[16:29] <dobey> weird
[16:29] <rye> dobey, ubuntuone-preferences just sits staring at the user and user stares at it. Token is in gnome-keyring, no possibility to remove <LOCAL MACHINE>
[16:31] <dobey> that isn't "nothing"
[16:31] <dobey> that is "it shows <LOCAL MACHINE>"
[17:50] <lwells> Contacts still does not appear to be saving to ubuntu one yet
[20:51] <sysop1> Hello, I have (3) computers syncing with ubuntuone, (2) of those computers have fully synced all files. One of them says synchronization complete, but it doesnt have all the files. I have already gone to System/Preferences/Ubuntu One, then disconnected & reconnected, it then syncs for a few min, then says its complete. I have even place new files in the local UbuntuOne dir on the computer in question & it syncs up just fine, just doesnt get the missi
[21:05] <mkarnicki> sysop1: I think you could try "u1sdtool --info=PATH" but I'm not sure what PATH stands for (like root of U1 which is 'Ubuntu One' folder?), I just found that in the man u1sdtool
[21:05] <mkarnicki> sysop1: good luck
[21:06] <sysop1> OK, thanks I'll give that a go now
[21:07] <mkarnicki> hope it helps. I have no other ideas.
[21:16] <dobey> apachelogger: ping
[21:16] <sysop1> That really didnt do anything. The files in question are in the root of the Ubuntu One folder. I think I'll just create another folder in ubuntu one on one of the working systems, then move all those files into it, then resync this pc after the (2) working ones sync up
[21:17] <mkarnicki> sysop1: aha.. I don't know if it's the best option, but you can do that :)
[21:23] <sysop1> It prob isnt the best option, but really have no other otions
[22:02] <hebz0rl> how can i restart the couchdb of ubuntuone? i changed a setting and want to apply it
[22:05] <hebz0rl> i found somthing if somebody wants to know http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting
[22:10] <mkarnicki> hebz0rl: you might find some useful links also in the topic of this channel.
[22:10] <hebz0rl> mkarnicki, ok
[23:47] <jml> yo
[23:47] <beuno> EVERYONE HIDE!  it's jml
[23:48] <jml> beuno, you doom approaches.
[23:48] <jml> *your*, dammit
[23:48] <beuno> you ruined the mood
[23:48] <jml> it's so hard to be a convincingly threatening ancient evil when one makes typos
[23:49] <beuno> it really is, that's probably why evil hasn't taken over the world yet
[23:49] <jml> anyway, I'm trying to set up a hudson build for a thing that uses desktopcouch, and I'm getting "gnomekeyring.IOError" whenever I import desktopcouch
[23:50] <beuno> right, so I think desktopcouch needs the gnomekeyring
[23:51] <beuno> but thisfred and CardinalFang are the experts here
[23:51] <beuno> they sometimes pretend to not be here
[23:51] <thisfred> I deny all plausability
[23:51] <beuno> so they may not answer
[23:52]  * mkarnicki saw jml entry to the channel, hahahahha
[23:53] <thisfred> jml: I think desktopcouch depends on gnomekeyring yes, although I think we're working on removing that as a direct dependency
[23:54] <thisfred> this is really one for chad, much as I hate to pass the buck...
[23:54] <beuno> and gnomekeyring depends on gnome
[23:54] <beuno> which probably brings in 160gb of dependencies
[23:54] <beuno> (aproximate number)
[23:54] <thisfred> I will be up to speed on all of this any day now, since I've been promoted to the desktop


[16:42] <frost1> hello
[16:42] <frost1> is there a way to submit xubuntu wallpapers without an account?
[16:42] <frost1> like here, for example
[16:44] <Maik> i don't think so, you have to submit wallpapers via the provided way
[16:53] <frost-core> here
[16:53] <frost-core> https://imgur.com/HpHGcHv.png
[16:53] <frost-core> i hope ya like it!
[16:56] <frost-core> oops
[16:56] <frost-core> https://imgur.com/a/HpHGcHv


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[16:31] <thresh> having something weird on an AMD Ryzen machine on the linux-hwe in 16.04: http://thre.sh/stuff/ryzen-ubuntu.png
[16:31] <thresh> any idea what could that be?
[16:32] <thresh> machine is offline, but that image is updating every few seconds with different addresses
[16:32] <thresh> as offline I mean networking does not work
[16:34] <Snicksie> that is a kernel panic
[16:34] <Snicksie> just reboot
[16:35] <thresh> sure.  it happened for a second time in a day.
[16:35] <thresh> I was wondering if something similar was reported already.
[16:35] <Snicksie> in that case check out journalctl to get the full log
[16:35] <Snicksie> with this image there's not much to report
[16:36] <thresh> nothing related
[16:38] <Snicksie>  nothing in /var/log/syslog either?
[16:38] <Snicksie> or kern.log
[16:40] <thresh> nope
[16:40] <thresh> setting up netconsole now, maybe it'll have something next time
[16:55] <thresh> ok, set it up.  let's wait for the next crash.
[16:55] <thresh> those Ryzen machines are soooo unstable it's not funny.
[17:01] <thresh> this looks very related: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/RyzenMachineLinuxHangs
[17:03] <thresh> and this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1690085
[17:03] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1690085 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ryzen 1800X freeze - rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks" [High,Confirmed]
[21:53] <Fjodor> any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1749015 ?
[21:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1749015 in linux (Ubuntu Bionic) "4.16 - VBOXGUEST not built" [Medium,Triaged]


[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> hi.
[14:04] <brousch> ih
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[14:35] <rick_h_> morn
[15:05] <cmaloney> morn and all that.
[15:05] <greg-g> yeeeeep
[15:13] <rick_h_> that good eh?
[15:13] <jrwren> ugh
[15:13] <jrwren> i require moar coffee
[15:17] <cscheib> I just made some.   I think you'd have fun
[15:20] <cmaloney> We'll set you up with some ribbons. :)
[15:20] <brousch> Probably
[15:21] <cscheib> does Tron guy still show?
[15:21] <cmaloney> I saw him this weekend
[15:22] <cscheib> ESR?
[15:22] <brousch> One of our makerspace guys met him at the 3D printed hand booth
[15:22] <brousch> Tron Guy, not ESR
[15:22] <cmaloney> ESR was there.
[15:22] <cscheib> I remember ESR being super into the fake sword fighting.  much entertains.
[15:23] <cscheib> I think that was the 2nd pcon
[15:28] <_stink_> ... what does one do with a 3D printed hand
[15:29] <brousch> give it to kids who only have half a hand
[15:29] <greg-g> _stink_: oh poor virgin mind you have
[15:29] <_stink_> yes i stay away from the dark corners
[15:29] <brousch> http://enablingthefuture.org/
[15:30] <jrwren> "its called a stranger."
[15:30] <_stink_> brousch: ah cool
[15:31] <cscheib> jrwren: lulz
[15:32] <rick_h_> cmaloney: how was the old penguin-fest?
[15:37] <cmaloney> It was pretty good
[15:37] <cmaloney> Managed to exhaust myself pretty hard.
[15:37] <cmaloney> Apparently I'm not as young as I used to be. :)
[15:37] <cmaloney> funny that.
[15:38] <jrwren> partying is like any other skill. You have to practice to stay good at it.
[15:39] <rick_h_> lol
[15:39] <cmaloney> true dat.
[15:39] <cmaloney> I wasn't even partying hard.
[15:40] <jrwren> cmaloney: well that is your first mistake. Andrew WK says when its time to party we must party hard.
[15:40] <cmaloney> Considering they had shorts of Makers Mark for $11 each I wasn't about to party that hard.
[15:40] <cmaloney> and no, $3 Miller Lite beer will never touch these lips.
[15:42] <cmaloney> Even $.50 Miller Lite
[15:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: and now I can't continue joking about partying hard because you've got to a point I care about: having standards.
[15:45] <cmaloney> heh
[16:04] <cscheib> remember the good old days when you'd drink just about any old crap?
[16:07] <jrwren> kinda
[16:07] <jrwren> but I honestly never liked cheap liquor very much.
[16:07] <jrwren> nor the really cheap beer.
[16:08] <jrwren> so I've always had some kind of standards... they've just edged higher and higher.
[16:08] <jrwren> to the point I visit Germany and I complain about the beer :]
[16:11] <cmaloney> me either
[16:22] <cscheib> yea, I had a co-op job when I was underage, and a real job when I came of age, so my alcohol standards were higher than most
[17:41] <cscheib> jrwren: Tippins market is doing a bourbon-barrel aged cofee bean in collaboration with Milan coffee works
[17:47] <jrwren> i don't know if I would like that, but I guess I'd want to try it.
[17:52] <cscheib> I'm certainly interested in trying it
[17:54] <cscheib> appears to be a somewhat popular method of adding a bit more character to coffee beans before roasting em
[17:56] <brousch> More sanitary than running them through a cat's digestive system
[17:56] <cscheib> heh
[19:30] <greg-g> brousch: elephants man, elephant poop beans are the thing
[19:48] <cmaloney> http://www.cultofmac.com/320924/key-apple-watch-features-may-not-work-for-users-with-tattoos/
[19:49] <rick_h_> not enough full sleeve wearing devs in the apple campus
[19:49] <rick_h_> time to call out for more diversity into the inked community!
[19:51] <cmaloney> Sadly I wonder what happens if you wear it while not being lilly-white
[19:52] <cmaloney> Because that would a rather uncomfortable spot to be in.
[23:28] <greg-g> jrwren: thanks for https://t.co/akqBpLjPZ9
[23:29] <greg-g> gah, stupid t.co links :(
[23:41] <jrwren> you are welcome!
[23:42] <jrwren> greg-g: so... it turned into like 30min of watching classic music videos
[23:42] <jrwren> because after that we just HAD to compare it to the George Harrison song.
[23:42] <jrwren> and then we let youtube roll, next was Paul Simon
[23:43] <jrwren> then Ahha take on me, then Survivor, then Europe
[23:43] <jrwren> and after Final Countdown I had to put on the Laibach version, which has a surprisingly good computer animation from 1994 as the video which I'd never seen.
[23:43] <jrwren> Then for some reason I decided to listen to Hall and Oats and have now moved on to MeatLoaf
[23:43] <jrwren> Life is good.
[23:57] <brousch> jrwren: I'm drinking with Brian genisio


[10:15]  * voltagex[m] posted a file: (4KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/sVMecrotQjnLFIBmGzoGCKRj/samba.txt >
[10:15] <voltagex[m]> Hi there, any idea what'd be causing this?
[10:15] <voltagex[m]> sorry, tried to send the message and the attachment at the same time
[10:23] <voltagex[m]> Reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/2020260
[10:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 2020260 in samba (Ubuntu) "Samba seems to panic after enabling and connecting to ZFS backed share" [Undecided, New]


[00:28] <kwah> Hi all
[00:28] <kwah> Are there howto's on how to package a number of software pieces at once?
[00:29] <kwah> For example, I am packaging A and B
[00:29] <kwah> B should build-depend on A
[00:29] <kwah> What would be the way to proceed with chroot-ed environments etc?
[00:31] <dtchen> kwah: there are ways to accomplish that via pbuilder, sbuild, schroot, etc.
[00:33] <kwah> I guess there should be, of course.
[00:33] <kwah> Do I need a sort of local repo in chroot-ed env then?
[00:34] <dtchen> kwah: that's certainly one way to accomplish it. you could also just cp the newly built build-dependencies into the schroot.
[00:36] <kwah> And what about pbuilder? I build package A, put it into some-repo, update what is in chroot... Biuild package B?
[00:37] <dtchen> kwah: yes, same basic procedure regardless of chroot method
[00:37]  * kwah tries to find his way around all this new things
[00:38] <kwah> thanks, dtchen
[01:53] <stochastic> Can anyone revu ANY of these packages http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax     http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid    http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo     http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/slv2   ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyphat would also be nice)
[01:59] <YokoZar> stochastic: I think we're behind on the sponsorship/revu queue because dholbach is on vacation and most of the canonical people are at a Sprint
[02:00] <YokoZar> I'll try and get a tackle on some of it myself soon if I can
[02:01] <stochastic> YokoZar, ahh, that explains things, thanks.  I look forward to any comments/advocations you may have, but I'll sit pretty until the Sprint is over (when is that anyway?)
[02:01] <YokoZar> I think they're a week long
[02:39] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: you around?
[02:43] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: yes sir
[02:43] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: any word on open-vm-tools?
[02:43] <vorian> just got around to giving it the nod
[02:43] <vorian> good find on that one
[02:43] <vorian> :)
[02:45] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: yea, thanks... i'm a little iffy about the amd4 build
[02:45] <pace_t_zulu> the i386 version is fine
[02:45] <vorian> i'm amd64
[02:45] <vorian> it's fine
[02:47] <pace_t_zulu> ok, it's my vm then
[02:48] <pace_t_zulu> no problem, if it builds and there are problems with the package, we can fix them
[02:48] <pace_t_zulu> it's been FTBFS for months
[02:48] <vorian> true enough
[02:48] <pace_t_zulu> this is better... give it time before oct. 29
[02:49] <vorian> very much so
[02:49] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: you been motu for a while?
[02:50] <vorian> yeah
[02:50] <vorian> twice even :P
[03:03] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: cool
[11:31] <didrocks> StevenK: thanks for closing the bug manually. As I opened it after having on the package, I forgot to put the number in the changelog
[11:31] <StevenK> didrocks: No worries :-)
[12:26] <Laney> urgh
[12:26] <Laney> trying to merge cdbs, not fun
[13:21] <artfwo> hi! does anyone know what's the problem with REVU (dput)? It just gives me an error: "425 Security: Bad IP connecting." for anything I try to upload
[14:54] <slytherin> asac: Nice to see gnome-bluetooth being considered for main inclusion. :-)
[15:04] <slytherin> NCommander: directhex: does either if you have access to armel box?
[15:04] <directhex> i don't. i got arm working in qemu once if that helps
[15:30] <slytherin> directhex: will it be able to replicate a build failure seen on armel buildd?
[15:46] <directhex> slytherin, depends on what kind of failure it is. arm can be pretty sensitive to different host CPUs
[15:47] <slytherin> directhex: the failure is because the javadoc takes too long on armel and hence build process times out.
[16:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[19:22] <TheMuso> slytherin: Looks like we have powerpc again, there is now a big queue of rebuilds for powerpc.
[19:22] <slytherin> Figured that looking at the powerpc binary of modemmanager in queue. So is it now going to be a mass rebuilds?
[19:23] <TheMuso> Yes, there is 600 odd according to https://lauchpad.net/builders.
[19:25] <slytherin> TheMuso: Am I right that libc6 was held back so that the version that was causing problem in installation due to kernel check will be skipped and next version will be installed whenever it is built.
[20:12] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I'd like to provide a daily build of a package in a ppa. Is there some how-to? Or I have to make a local script that chain the 'uscan / uupdate / debuild -sa -S / dput' jobs?
[20:14] <slytherin> fabrice_sp: I believe someone from mozilla team is providing daily builds for xulrunner/firefox. Try talking with whoever the person is.
[20:14] <maxb_> It's fta and his scripts are in a bzr branch in his +junk
[20:14] <fabrice_sp> I saw fta in their ppa (it's for chromium)
[20:15] <fabrice_sp> I'll have a look. Thanks maxb_ !
[20:18] <mrooney> how might I turn a diff into a dpatch?
[20:19]  * fabrice_sp_ hates his ADSL provider! :-/
[20:20] <c_korn> mrooney: man dpatch -> Creating dpatch scriptlets
[20:20] <slytherin> mrooney: dpatch-edit-patch name.patch, patch -px < file.diff, exit (value of x as appropriate in your case).
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp, me too :) Telefonica?
[20:24] <fabrice_sp> RoAkSoAx, nop: Jazztel. But I think I should blame the lines and not the provider :-)
[20:25] <fabrice_sp> supposed to be 14Mb (because of the attenuation and the noise of the line), but I only have 7Mb...
[20:29] <slytherin> RoAkSoAx: Telefonica as in Telefonica Mexico?
[20:29] <RoAkSoAx> slytherin, as in Telefonica del Peru :)
[20:29] <slytherin> oh
[20:34] <RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp|web, lucky you, I have 1Mb :(
[20:37] <fabrice_sp|web> RoAkSoAx, well: 4 losts of connectivity in half an hour... I prefer having 1 stable Mb than 7 Mb unstable...
[20:38] <RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp|web, true, but my 1mb is not stable either :( that's something that you have to live with if you live in a third world country :S
[20:41] <fabrice_sp_> RoAkSoAx: not good, no... But if you compare Spain with France on ADSL topics, Spain is 'Third World country' also...
[20:42] <fabrice_sp_> (or Japan :-) )
[20:43] <fabrice_sp> anyway: it's a bit OT... :)
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp, I see, but at least you have speeds higher than 5Mb, which is the maximum here (And for residential connections is 2.5Mb). And yes, Japan rocks on Internet Speed.
[20:46] <pochu> Japan simply rocks :)
[20:46] <pochu> except on suicides ;)
[20:47] <RoAkSoAx> pochu, haha that's the same thing that my friend tells me. People suicide a lot because of so much pressure they have in their jobs
[20:49] <fabrice_sp> RoAkSoAx, the ADSL lines we have where I work have a maximum speed of 1Mb, even if we bought a 'up to 20 Mb' lines. So it's not only in Peru ;-)
[20:49] <fabrice_sp> Hey: Only Spanish people this afternoon :-)
[20:50] <fabrice_sp> Spanish speaking, I mean
[20:52] <pochu> Telefonica España is pretty good, but pretty expensive too
[20:53] <pochu> and the funniest thing is that sending an sms to another european country is cheaper than sending it to my city
[20:55] <RoAkSoAx> here Telefonica del Peru is pretty much the only option for internet access. There's also telmex but is less reliable than telefonica.
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> pochu, I personally had bad experience with Telefonica, so got rid of them. Anyway: when you see that in France all small towns have at least a 'up to 20Mb' internet access, and in 'big city', you have 'up to 50Mb', with European call included :-/
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> RoAkSoAx, it' just a matter of time :-) Competency will come
[20:59] <bitplane> I have a suggestion, not sure where to make it
[20:59] <fabrice_sp> bitplane, you can't be more OT than we are right now :-)
[20:59] <bitplane> haha okay
[21:00] <bitplane> well I'm toying with making a property page thing for nautilus
[21:00] <bitplane> and the easiest method seems to be to use nautilus-python and do it that way
[21:01] <bitplane> so I was thinking I'd make my thumbnailer dump a list of key value pairs, INI file style to stdout
[21:02] <bitplane> and make a generic python property page maker which calls an external program to generate the list of properties
[21:03] <bitplane> so it calls "my-thumbnailer --properties file.ext" and uses that
[21:04] <bitplane> so.. does this sound like a good idea, if so, how would I go about getting such a thing included?
[21:05] <bitplane> in fact, if it was a generic one it wouldn't have to use the python-nautilus package
[21:06] <fabrice_sp> bitplane, about the good/bad idea, I don't have any opinion on it :-) And to include such a thing, you have to package it
[21:06] <fabrice_sp> !package
[21:07] <bitplane> i guess my suggestion is different from my proposed implementation, suggestion is to make making extra property pages as easy as adding a thumbnailer (should I be asking about this in a gnome channel instead?)
[21:07] <fabrice_sp> bitplane, this channel is more about packaging, that is how to include things in Ubuntu
[21:07] <bitplane> fabrice_sp, I also want to package a few things, so pointing me at some packaging docs would also be cool :)
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> I'm lloking for it (as ubottu does not know about packaging)
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> !packaging
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> ?
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> yesssss
[21:08] <bitplane> fantastic, thanks :)
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> ;-)
[21:09] <bitplane> would it make more sense to package my app and its dependencies for Debian and have it propagate to Ubuntu?
[21:10] <fabrice_sp> It's always better to go through Debian, as more distribution will make use of it
[21:10] <fabrice_sp> but sometime, it's not possible
[21:13] <bitplane> thanks, I'll read all the docs and come back with questions if I get stuck :)
[21:13] <bitplane> (or more likely, when I get stuck!)
[21:14] <fabrice_sp> perfect :-)
[21:32] <RoAkSoAx> vorian, ping?
[21:39] <nxvl> norsetto: i'm finishing to check source-highlight-qt-0.1, did you want me to upload it, or just advocate
[21:40] <nxvl> norsetto: i need to do a final test and i'm finish, until now everything looks good
[21:40] <norsetto> nxvl, if you want to upload that would be nice ;-)
[21:40] <nxvl> norsetto: ok
[21:41] <nxvl> norsetto: btw, how is everything going, long time without seeing you
[21:42] <norsetto> nxvl, if you want to test, there are some sources in /usr/share/doc/libsource-highlight-qt-doc/examples you can use
[21:42] <norsetto> nxvl, fine and dandy, and you?
[21:44] <nxvl> norsetto: good, traveling too much, and with less free time everytime
[21:44] <nxvl> norsetto: but everything going smooth
[21:45] <norsetto> nxvl: globetrotting ... in few years you will hate traveling, believe me ;-)
[21:45] <nxvl> norsetto: mm, i'm not getting a -doc package, just commented on revu
[21:45] <nxvl> norsetto: i ALREADY hate traveling
[21:46] <nxvl> norsetto: but it's a funny loop, i started liking it, then hated it, now i just don't care
[21:46] <norsetto> nxvl, well, you must be doing something wrong then, its called libsource-highlight-qt4-doc
[21:47] <nxvl> this saturday will be 2 weeks sleeping away from home, in 3 different cities
[21:47] <nxvl> i just did sbuild -c karmic source-highlight-qt_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[21:48] <nxvl> and didn't get any -doc binary
[21:48] <Laney> you need -A
[21:48] <Laney> i bet
[21:48] <norsetto> nxvl, what did you get?
[21:48] <nxvl> -1 and -dev
[21:48] <Laney> to build arch:all with sbuild
[21:48] <nxvl> i pasted the ls on revu
[21:49] <nxvl> trying that
[21:49] <nxvl> it might be an issue with arch, sounds reasonable
[21:53] <norsetto> nxvl, actually, don't upload, I want to change the -1 dep on source-highlight to a Suggests
[21:53] <nxvl> norsetto: ok, will advocate it when i re-test the build
[21:54] <norsetto> nxvl, muchas gracias
[21:54] <nxvl> now i'm getting the -doc
[21:54] <nxvl> it was an arch issue
[21:54] <nxvl> advocating
[22:01] <norsetto> for revu packages, IIRC, one is supposed to forward the archive's acceptance email to the ubuntu-motu m.l.?
[22:05] <geser> yes
[22:09]  * sebner waves at norsetto nxvl and geser :D
[22:09]  * geser waves back
[22:09]  * norsetto waves
[22:27] <porthose> is banshee going to be the default media player in karmic?
[22:29] <dtchen> it doesn't look likely presently.
[22:29] <porthose> dtchen, ty
[22:30] <dtchen> porthose: directhex would be the person to ask
[22:30] <porthose> dtchen, I will :)
[22:38] <TheMuso> slytherin: I think they patched around the issue in the latest glibc upload.
[22:50] <andv> norsetto, only if the package is NEW of course
[22:50] <andv> norsetto, if you use REVU for new upstream releases you don't need to
[22:50] <norsetto> thx andv
[22:51] <andv> np
[22:51] <directhex> ahoy there, fancy pants
[22:52] <porthose> directhex, is banshee going to be the default media player in karmic?
[22:53] <directhex> porthose, no. banshee upstream will not commit to a stable release within an ubuntu-friendly timeline, so the desktop team feel safer sticking with the status quo for now. the decision can be re-evaluated for lazy lynx
[22:53] <porthose> directhex, ok ty
[22:57] <StevenK> Lazy Lynx, you say?
[23:00] <directhex> StevenK, i'm using up all the names i don't like in public, in the hope that shuttleworth is forced into a corner in picking the remaining name!


[12:42] <LaserJock> I suppose it is bad if you can't figure out where somebody got the source for their package
[12:49] <minghua> bad for "somebody", I think ;-)
[12:51] <LaserJock> I was going to do a UVF exception request
[01:34] <LaserJock> is there a REVU admin around?
[01:57] <LaserJock> hmm, so if a .orig.tar.gz is half the size of the downloaded source tarball it isn't a good thing, right?
[01:59] <crimsun> pretty much
[02:00] <LaserJock> doko_: ping?
[02:00] <Se7h> LaserJock thats just cus the downloaded source has the 'build' inside it
[02:00] <crimsun> that's horrible, then
[02:01] <Se7h> ye, doesnt make much sense
[02:01] <crimsun> strip the 'build' and repackage the upstream as a foo.dfsg
[02:01] <LaserJock> but it also had the doc apparently that is causing the FTBFS
[02:02] <Se7h> i can rebuild that tarball easily
[02:02] <Se7h> (/and upload it)
[02:03] <Se7h> im just not getting why the pbuilder is still using the old 'rules' file once i modified it
[02:03] <crimsun> is there a rules.in?
[02:03] <LaserJock> no
[02:03] <crimsun> url?
[02:04] <Se7h> LaserJock i just need to modify the 'mv foo/doc' to something else
[02:04] <LaserJock> for what? the package is spe
[02:05] <Se7h> include the doc dir and modify the path the script uses
[02:05] <LaserJock> well, I'm assuming that doko didn't want to include the docs. I'm not sure
[02:06] <Se7h> and im sure he just 'setup.py build' it
[02:06] <Se7h> :p
[02:06] <LaserJock> but it is still not working here
[02:07] <Se7h> just tell me why pbuilder isnt using the modified rules file
[02:08] <LaserJock> are you sure you rebuilt the source package?
[02:08] <crimsun> (I still don't have any idea which package you're referring to)
[02:08] <LaserJock> spe
[02:08] <LaserJock> but it isn't very clean (.ex files about) and it FTBFS in a couple spots
[02:10] <Se7h> cant u build a source package  with a binary ?
[02:10] <Se7h> lol
[02:10] <crimsun> upid 1520?
[02:12] <minghua> Hmm, someone wants to fork ubuntu
[02:12] <Kyral> oh?
[02:12] <Kyral> who
[02:12] <minghua> and hi crimsun and Kyral
[02:12] <crimsun> 'lo ming
[02:12] <Kyral> yo
[02:12] <minghua> Kyral: -devel list
[02:12] <Kyral> minghua, I haven't checked my mail all week and won't until I get back to school tomorrow
[02:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: did you abandon packaging spe ?
[02:13] <Kyral> spe?
[02:13] <Kyral> sounds familier
[02:13] <LaserJock> from Jan. 17thu
[02:13] <LaserJock> you uploaded it to REVU
[02:14] <Kyral> you having FTBFS issues?
[02:14] <Kyral> I mean you can do it if you want...
[02:14] <LaserJock> yeah, but of the packaging kind so far
[02:14] <Kyral> You can take my work I don't mind
[02:14] <LaserJock> there is already a source package newer than your's in Ubuntu
[02:14] <LaserJock> but it FTBFS
[02:15] <Kyral> I'm effectively out of this release cycle
[02:15] <LaserJock> I was just wondering if we should nuke yours
[02:15] <Kyral> go ahead
[02:15] <Kyral> It seems like I will be out of every other release cycle lol
[02:15] <Kyral> due to school
[02:15] <LaserJock> makes sense
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Kyral: you're still in school???
[02:16] <LaserJock> I *should* be out
[02:16] <Kyral> Hobbsee, college
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:16] <Kyral> Christopher Peterman, Clarkson University Computer Science Sopomore
[02:17] <LaserJock> Se7h: ok, so I got it to build
[02:17] <Se7h> greta
[02:17] <Se7h> *great
[02:18] <na7e> ahhh, much better than natroll
[02:18] <na7e> seth just made me think....i stole your junk, seth
[02:18] <Se7h> hum?
[02:18] <na7e> the 7 thing, nvm
[02:18] <na7e> back to work now for me
[02:18] <Se7h> ah
[02:18] <Se7h> :p
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Kyral: ah fun.  i'm kind of wishing that i was doign computer sci now
[02:19] <Kyral> lol no you don't
[02:19] <Kyral> I am up against the Binary Bomb soon
[02:19] <Kyral> oyah add in Information Technology minor
[02:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:19] <Kyral> whats your major Hobbsee
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i'm doing a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics
[02:20] <Kyral> optowha?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:20] <na7e> cybernetic optical implants
[02:20] <Kyral> oh
[02:20] <Kyral> hmm
[02:20] <na7e> lol, j/k
[02:20] <crimsun> eye candy, dude. KDE, remember?
[02:20] <Kyral> lol
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Kyral: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optoelectronics
[02:21] <na7e> maybe like optical switching?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> mm...nice shiny lasers...
[02:21] <Kyral> can you replace my eyes with some really cool cyborg eyes?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> among other things
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe - they'll be bright purple?
[02:21] <Kyral> ....tthat would be kinda cool actually....
[02:21] <Kyral> okay I go watch Austin Powers
[02:21] <na7e> lol
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:22] <Kyral> Grooovy Baby YEAH! :P
[02:22] <Kyral> DOWN BOY!
[02:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: then again, i see that there's a nice fade in gnome now, for the sudo password dialog box...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:22] <Kyral> Hobbsee, thats been around for a while...
[02:23] <Kyral> or did you just go to Dapper?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i havent used gnome since hoary, so...
[02:23] <na7e> you guys mean gksudo?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:23] <Kyral> I hadn't used KDE since Slack 10 about 3 years ago :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee> it's greatly improved - the gnome, that is
[02:23] <Kyral> but yah, GROOVINESS CALLS :D
[02:23] <crimsun> I just want frickin lasers on my Ubuntu splash
[02:24] <na7e> i wish kde was a bit better in ubuntu
[02:24] <Kyral> Oh I love the Dapper GNOME Splash :D
[02:24] <Hobbsee> rofl yeah!
[02:24] <na7e> i just always had integration problems between various programs
[02:24] <Hobbsee> pity kde has nothing like that
[02:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: heck yeah!
[02:24] <Kyral> hmmm
[02:24] <Kyral> SOMEONE MAKE ONE :D
[02:25] <Hobbsee> then you'd have to use kde to get it!
[02:25] <Kyral> Hobbsee, I do :P
[02:25] <Kyral> well, on this laptop it's Xubuntu
[02:25] <Kyral> anyway yah, groovy time...for real :D
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe sure
[02:26] <na7e> Hobbsee, is the usplash thing easy to change out with soemthing else?  i'm looking at doing it for this project i'm workin on
[02:27] <crimsun> yes, it's pretty straight-forward
[02:27] <na7e> coooool
[02:27] <crimsun> look at the *artwork-usplash packages for examples
[02:27] <Hobbsee> which bit is the usplash?  i always get confused between the usplash, and the splash screen
[02:27] <na7e> as long as i don't have to sacrifice anymore chickens
[02:27] <crimsun> usplash is what you see after grub
[02:27] <Hobbsee> no, they've moved to geese sacrifices
[02:27] <na7e> argh!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right, yep.  that's th way around i thought it was
[02:27] <crimsun> splash is what you see when logging into your graphical environment
[02:27] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:28] <na7e> what's the u in usplash for?
[02:28] <crimsun> userspace
[02:28] <na7e> usplash, isplash, we all splash for....
[02:28] <minghua> confusing name choices if you ask me :-(
[02:28] <crimsun> (as opposed to what's in Fedora Core, which is kernelspace)
[02:28] <na7e> ok, cool
[02:28] <LaserJock> Ubuntu? Uber? Unbelievable?
[02:29] <na7e> Uberunbelievableubuntu IMO
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:29] <Tonio_> what a mess to update networkmanager ;)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> now just *imagine* how many misspellings of that there would be in the forums, etc
[02:29] <na7e> lol
[02:30] <na7e> forget searching for it
[02:30] <Tonio_> there are so many differences since 0.5.1
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you end up packaging knetworkmanager?  seeing as mine's being a pain, and not making correctly?
[02:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: about too
[02:30] <Tonio_> 10 hours on it
[02:30] <Tonio_> I had to patch new libs, update all patches, and finally package knetworkmanager
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[02:31] <Tonio_> but the difference with the actual ubuntu package is hudge, really
[02:31] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.np-ip.org
[02:31] <Tonio_> but the repo isn't complete yet, may have to wait a bit :)
[02:32] <crimsun> yeah, you guys are going to fall over when we update wpasupplicant ;)
[02:32] <Tonio_> the network-manager package isn't gunctionnal for knetworkmanager (libnm-util needed)
[02:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: I hadded there the new version of wpasupplicant siretart worked on
[02:32] <Tonio_> don't know if that is working actually, I can't test
[02:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: yes, 0.5.1-1 in Debian exp
[02:33] <Tonio_> crimsun: I ported it to ubuntu, you can find it on that repo
[02:33] <crimsun> I'm about to fakesync 0.4.7-4
[02:33] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/
[02:33] <Tonio_> sorry for the bad link
[02:33] <crimsun> gah, I can't fakesync, since we'll have another delta.
[02:34] <Tonio_> but wpasupplicant there is not the latest.... should be working anyway
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: testing it out
[02:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: wait a bit please ;)
[02:36] <Tonio_> this is not functionnal actually ;)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> a little late now!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> seems to all be still working
[02:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, but that networkmanager package is not complete to make knetworkmanager building
[02:38] <Tonio_> need another package splitted from it
[02:39] <Hobbsee> right
[02:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you can update, should be okay now ;)
[02:39] <Tonio_> I'm finishing knetworkmanager
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> you got ants down there?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:43] <Hobbsee> unfortunately
[02:43] <na7e> how different is building a source package over a binary package?
[02:44] <na7e> err, rephrase, how different is building a source package versus building a binary package?
[02:44] <LaserJock> umm, you use the source package to build the binary package
[02:44] <na7e> oh?  ok, i must have already built a source package then
[02:45] <LaserJock> yes
[02:46] <LaserJock> na7e: ok, so the .dsc .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files make up the source package. that source package than can then be built (by pbuilder or buildd) into the binary .deb package
[02:47] <na7e> ahhhh
[02:47] <na7e> LaserJock, many thanks for clearing that up, as usual
[02:48] <LaserJock> na7e: *shameless plug* you might check out http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gettingstarted-chap.html
[02:48] <na7e> LaserJock, bookmarked :)
[02:49] <na7e> someone needs to teach a class on all this at my school or something.....
[02:49] <LaserJock> well, we do have #ubuntu-motu-school ;-)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> na7e: sometimes, there's a motu school
[02:49] <Hobbsee> which i want to go to, at some point
[02:51] <na7e> i haven't seen one yet, and i'd love to be there when it happens
[02:51] <na7e> LaserJock, this guide looks much better than what i've come across so far, i'll read it now
[02:52] <LaserJock> well, I'm still working on it. but it is suposed to ship with Dapper
[02:52] <na7e> oh sweeeeeet
[02:52] <na7e> well, i'll tell you if i hit any hickups
[02:52] <LaserJock> it is on your computers right now in fact
[02:52] <na7e> ooooh, that's eery sorta
[02:53] <LaserJock> it isn't very current but it will get there
[02:53] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: it is on KDE too but even less current :(
[02:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, i've used the kde one before
[02:54] <na7e> LaserJock, found a mistake.  Make>Description> 'informations' should be 'information'
[02:54] <na7e> muahahah
[02:55] <LaserJock> ok, I'm editing it at the moment. thanks for the catch
[02:55] <na7e> oh, in chapter 1, btw, but i'm sure you'll catch it later anyways
[02:55] <na7e> np
[02:56] <na7e> LaserJock, want me to just make a list of all the mistakes i find?  because I just found another...
[02:56] <LaserJock> na7e: yeah, and send them to mantha AT ubuntu.com
[02:56] <crimsun> god I suck, I just sent an e-mail to control with "tag" instead of "tags"
[02:58] <na7e> will do
[02:58] <minghua> crimsun: hehe, I always check the instruction page when writing to control, never remember those commands (except thanks, perhaps)
[03:06] <na7e> anyone have a brief explanation of what a cxx transition is?
[03:07] <minghua> na7e: we had one in dapper and one in breezy, and IMHO they are different types
[03:07] <minghua> na7e: so which one are you asking about?
[03:08] <na7e> minghua, i'm not sure, i'm seeing in: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/intro-chap.html
[03:09] <na7e> minghua, under Apt/Dpkg section under apt-cache dump
[03:09] <na7e> it mentions it almost assuming we would know what the heck it was :)
[03:10] <minghua> na7e: basically it's about one library package changes its name
[03:11] <na7e> ok
[03:11] <na7e> thanks
[03:12] <LaserJock> na7e: yeah, make a note of that in your email ;-)
[03:12] <minghua> na7e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition
[03:13] <minghua> na7e: read the "C++ ABI Transition" part if you really want to know
[03:13] <minghua> but you don't really need to know that IMO
[03:13] <minghua> it's not like we are going to have another c++ transition anytime soon
[03:13] <crimsun> (knock on wood)
[03:14] <na7e> LaserJock, I did, w00t :)
[03:15] <na7e> yeah, I'll give that a quick read
[03:16] <LaserJock> well, I need feedback from potential readers so it would be helpful
[03:16] <LaserJock> I just hope the packaging guide gets done soon. we have a documentation team freeze coming up
[03:16] <crimsun> (yes, since that would be hellish)
[03:17] <na7e> i see what you mean about the libraries all changing, that would take virtually a complete recompilation of all binary packages, wouldn't it?
[03:21] <na7e> LaserJock, for the email and the filenames, what is the formal name of the guide?
[03:22] <LaserJock> na7e: Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[03:22] <ajmitch> hi
[03:22] <na7e> thx
[03:22] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch and slomo
[03:22] <na7e> hi ajmitch
[03:23] <slomo> hi LaserJock
[03:33] <crimsun> slomo: hi. I worked on a fakesync of wpasupplicant, but there appear to be some bugs in Debian BTS that I'm not comfortable fakesyncing it
[03:34] <slomo> crimsun: and we don't have this bugs?
[03:34] <crimsun> not yet
[03:34] <slomo> ok... then don't sync before they're fixed :)
[03:34] <crimsun> however, one could potentially see them
[03:34] <crimsun> will need to discuss with Reinhard
[03:39] <na7e> LaserJock, who is mantha?
[03:39] <Kyral> na7e, him :P
[03:39] <na7e> oh, lol
[03:39] <LaserJock> na7e: my name is Jordan Mantha ;-)
[03:39] <na7e> ok, i explained who i was, ha! :)
[03:39] <Kyral> LaserJock == Jordan Mantha :P
[03:40] <na7e> if (LaserJock == 'Jordan Mantha') {print "Doh!";}
[03:41] <Kyral> Generally we have our names in our whois data
[03:41] <LaserJock> na7e: got the email, thanks.
[03:41] <na7e> np, i'll work on it later this week too
[03:41] <na7e> i'll plan on it, rather :-)
[03:42] <na7e> i really need to write up something on what i'm doing with this installation CD....
[03:42] <na7e> might be helpful to someone
[03:43] <LaserJock> hi dolson
[03:43] <minghua> see, that's the advantage of using just your name as your nick ;-)  (and the advantage of having short name)
[03:43] <dolson> hey LaserJock
[03:44] <Kyral> minghua, I had this nick before coming on Freenode, otherwise it would be petermcv or somesuch
[03:47] <LaserJock> me too
[03:47] <na7e> i've changed mine like 3 times so far...sigh....no one will remember me....
[03:49] <minghua> I dropped my old nick when I start hanging out on IRC
[03:49] <Tonio_> raphink: available ?
[03:49] <LaserJock> I like being LaserJock but unfortunately my LP id is mantha
[03:49] <raphink> physically yes Tonio_, not sure my mind is ...
[03:51] <na7e> does anyone know if the installer on the breezy CD will freak out if I add the universe repo?
[03:51] <na7e> as in, I add it to the pool on the CD
[03:52] <na7e> yeah, i didn't think anyone knew, I've got some fun testing ahead of me
[03:55] <na7e> how do I make my own GPG key?
[03:57] <LaserJock> na7e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:58] <na7e> LaserJock, I just found that, any recommendations on which program is superior though?  GPA or seahorse?
[03:58] <LaserJock> I usually just use the CLI ;-)
[03:58] <LaserJock> seahorse is nice, if it works
[03:59] <na7e> ha
[04:00] <na7e> is there a length-limit for use with motu?
[04:04] <dolson> crimsun: thanks for uploading ardour
[04:25] <crimsun> dolson: np
[04:32] <Se7h> LaserJock cant i add images to it?
[04:32] <Se7h> o.0
[04:34] <LaserJock> Se7h: to what? sorry my connection got screwed up
[04:34] <Se7h> i saw
[04:34] <Se7h> i had to add a 'skins' dir to the source with the program images
[04:34] <Se7h> and now debuild doesnt like it much
[04:39] <LaserJock> what does it say
[04:41] <Se7h> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[04:41] <Se7h> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[04:42] <Se7h> after ignoring the deletion of loads of files
[04:42] <LaserJock> Se7h: where are you adding them?
[04:42] <Se7h> the files?
[04:43] <LaserJock> to the orig.tar.gz?
[04:43] <Se7h> ah no
[04:43] <Se7h> first i add them to the build dir, and after a failure i added them also to the orig
[04:43] <Se7h> i guess they're both wrong
[04:44] <LaserJock> hmm, it shouldn't be a problem if they are in the .orig.tar.gz
[04:44] <Se7h> my thought
[04:44] <Se7h> but i guess it is
[04:45] <LaserJock> are you sure it is in the .orig.tar.gz and no the diff.gz
[04:46] <Se7h> in the diff ?
[04:46] <Se7h> the diff.gz has only a file right?
[04:46] <LaserJock> no
[04:47] <LaserJock> the diff.gz has everything that isn't in the .orig.tar.gz
[04:47] <Se7h> :o
[04:47] <Se7h> so that must be it
[04:47] <Se7h> lol
[05:07] <Se7h> LaserJock can i just erase both orig and diff files? :p
[05:08] <LaserJock> Se7h: just unpack the orig add your files and re-tar it
[05:08] <Se7h> i did that and debuild didnt like it
[05:08] <Se7h> i'll do it again
[05:08] <Se7h> (it worked with no orig and diff files)
[05:09] <LaserJock> what did debuild give you?
[05:09] <Se7h> a good source
[05:09] <Se7h> and a nice deb package after it
[05:09] <Se7h> and spe works 100% now
[05:09] <Se7h> lol
[05:09] <Se7h> im gonna add those files to the orig tho
[05:22] <LaserJock> na7e: ok, you changes have been commited to the doc team svn repo. thanks
[05:22] <Se7h> ok
[05:22] <Se7h> finaly
[05:22] <Se7h> LaserJock done
[05:23] <Se7h> 100%
[05:23] <LaserJock> yeah?
[05:23] <na7e> np LaserJock
[05:23] <Se7h> yeah
[05:25] <Se7h> whats next?
[05:25] <Se7h> uploading..
[05:26] <Se7h> omg wheres that 'dput' thing on the wiki ?
[05:26] <Se7h> need url
[05:27] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[05:32] <Se7h> Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2.dsc: done.
[05:32] <Se7h> Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2.diff.gz: done.
[05:32] <Se7h> Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[05:32] <Se7h> Successfully uploaded packages.
[05:32] <Se7h> thats it?
[05:32] <Se7h> ol.0
[05:40] <LaserJock> Se7h: use debuild -S -sa and reupload (remove the .upload file or use -f with dput)
[05:41] <LaserJock> Se7h: the -sa includes the .orig.tar.gz
[05:42] <Se7h> ok
[05:42] <Se7h> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[05:42] <Se7h> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[05:42] <Se7h> oh no
[05:42] <Se7h> that again
[05:42] <Se7h> lol
[05:45] <Se7h> LaserJock but i do the pbuilder again right?
[05:46] <LaserJock> Se7h: no, you don't need to use pbuilder
[05:46] <Se7h> LaserJock ok
[05:47] <Se7h> just debuild
[05:47] <Se7h> and dput
[05:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:47] <Se7h> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[05:47] <Se7h> Doing nothing for spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[05:47] <Se7h> :|
[05:47] <Se7h> oh right
[05:47] <Se7h> forget it
[05:48] <Erlang_> you can force the upload with dput -f
[05:48] <Se7h> LaserJock done
[05:48] <na7e> warty was the first ubuntu release, right?
[05:50] <Se7h> right
[05:54] <Se7h> LaserJock work done?
[05:55] <LaserJock> Se7h: so did you see the lintian and linda report on REVU?
[05:56] <Se7h> ahm...no
[05:56] <Se7h> help me on that
[05:57] <Erlang> LaserJock: Sorry to bother you, but can I ask you why the Lintian report for kpl is "N: Skipping check of source package kpl" ?
[05:57] <LaserJock> Se7h: go to revu.tauware.de and look up spe
[05:58] <LaserJock> Erlang: you need to include the .orig.tar.gz in the upload
[05:59] <LaserJock> Erlang: use debuild -S -sa when making the source package
[05:59] <Se7h> LaserJock oh ok
[05:59] <Se7h> its nice to have feedback :p
[05:59] <Erlang> oh. thank you
[06:00] <Erlang> That .orig.tar.gz is my curse.  I forget it all the time.
[06:05] <Erlang> oh good I've got a clean lintian check now ;D
[06:07] <Se7h> one thing LaserJock, thats what i must do or what the reviewer will do ?
[06:07] <Se7h> that english of him is tricky
[06:08] <LaserJock> Se7h: what is your question? what happens now?
[06:08] <Se7h> no
[06:08] <Se7h> well kinda
[06:08] <Se7h> i read
[06:08] <Se7h> 'shall'
[06:09] <Se7h> does that mean i have to do what he says there
[06:09] <Se7h> or that he shall do all that stuff?
[06:09] <Se7h> 2 #     python setup.py clean --< this line shall be removed from debian/rules  <- and where the hell is this? o.0
[06:10] <LaserJock> Se7h: that is from a previous upload. Kyral had started packaging spe
[06:10] <LaserJock> Se7h: but he doesn't want it
[06:10] <Se7h> oh
[06:10] <Se7h> LOL
[06:10] <Se7h> ok dont care about me
[06:10] <Se7h> im just sleepy
[06:10] <LaserJock> np
[06:14] <Se7h> one more thing LaserJock (sorry)
[06:14] <LaserJock> np
[06:14] <Se7h> i dont need to upload the orig again do i ?
[06:14] <LaserJock> I think you might. I can't remember how REVU works but I think you need to.
[06:15] <Se7h> ok
[06:15] <LaserJock> normally you only have to do it when you have a new upstream version
[06:16] <Se7h> uhum :)
[06:17] <Se7h> ok done
[06:18] <Se7h> lintian mentions something about nmu
[06:18] <Se7h> whats nmu LaserJock?
[06:19] <LaserJock> NMU = Non Maintainer Upload
[06:19] <LaserJock> it is a Debian thing
[06:19] <Se7h> oh ok
[06:20] <Se7h> so i musnt worry about it?
[06:20] <LaserJock> no that is ok I think
[06:20] <Erlang> Se7h: Each package in Debian have a specific maintainer.  NMU are done to quickly fix a package that a maintainer don't have time to fix or that is being neglected.
[06:21] <Se7h> hmm i see
[06:23] <Se7h> W: spe source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.8.2a-0ubuntu2
[06:23] <Se7h> i dont get this
[06:23] <Erlang> this is related to the previous error
[06:23] <LaserJock> this is another Debian thing
[06:24] <LaserJock> NMU uploads are supposed to have a specific versioning
[06:24] <Erlang> Se7h: Lintian this your last upload is an NMU, and NMU uploads must have a special version number.
[06:25] <Se7h> so, another thing i shouldnt worry about?
[06:25] <minghua> it would be nice if someone can patch lintian to not complain about that
[06:26] <Erlang> I've found linitian code to be rather easy to grasp despite being written in perl.  It should be easy to patch.
[06:27] <LaserJock> Erlang: go for it ;-)
[06:27] <Erlang> I could certainly add that to my To-Do list.
[06:35] <Erlang> I guess some Ubuntu-specific tests could be added to Lintian too?
[06:36] <Se7h> that would be nice
[06:37] <Erlang> well, like what?
[06:37] <LaserJock> Erlang: you'd have to port it to python first of course ;-)
[06:37] <Se7h> btw any of u is a python coder?
[06:38] <Se7h> i'll be also mantaining pymedia
[06:38] <minghua> LaserJock: lol
[06:38] <Erlang> Gah, I'd have to LEARN Python first :(
[06:39] <LaserJock> well, I'd have to learn Perl :(
[06:39] <minghua> Erlang: like checking distribution is dapper if the version has ubuntu in it
[06:39] <Erlang> minghua: ok
[06:39] <minghua> that's one mistake I often make (because I do packaging for both distros)
[06:39] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:40] <Erlang> BTW, I'm not saying I'll be doing it.  It's definitely within my reach but I've got a diploma to get first.
[06:40] <LaserJock> what? you can't let school get in the way of Ubuntu work
[06:41] <minghua> LaserJock: drop out of your school right now, and I'll listen to you ;-)
[06:41] <LaserJock> minghua: it's tempting, believe me
[06:41] <Erlang> LaserJock: ah, I wish it was that easy :|
[06:42] <Erlang> but I'm nearly done, really.
[06:42] <LaserJock> sure you are.   In a Linux distro context, how can they be called?
[06:49] <seth> packaging-eaters
[06:49] <Se7h> lolol
[06:50] <LaserJock> can't ... resist ... must ... play
[06:50] <seth> haha
[06:51] <seth> it's the bright shiny colours that do it
[06:51] <seth> and the flashing
[06:52] <LaserJock> man, I haven't played any games for quite a while. Honestly, I'd rather be doing Ubuntu work.
[06:53] <seth> :)
[06:53] <seth> Ubuntu work is good but sometimes I need shiny flashing to soothe my brain
[06:53] <seth> sooooo
[06:53] <seth> I use my PIP feature on this spiffy widescreen monitor I've got
[06:53] <seth> and do both!
[07:05] <Se7h> a module for python should be considered a binary or library ?
[07:05] <na7e> binrary
[07:05] <na7e> ;-)
[07:06] <Se7h> binrary?
[07:06] <Se7h> :p
[07:06] <Se7h> i ask this cus i see few or none in devel section
[07:06] <Se7h> when it would make sense to be there, but oh well..
[07:08] <minghua> there should be a python policy somewhere
[07:08] <Se7h> can u point me to it ?
[07:08] <LaserJock> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[07:08] <Se7h> ty
[07:09] <LaserJock> Se7h: btw, www.debian.org/devel/ is a good place to bookmark
[07:18] <LaserJock> time for bed. Good night all!
[07:18] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[07:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you up and running in .nz now?
[07:18] <ajmitch> I have been for the last week
[07:19] <LaserJock> cool
[07:19] <LaserJock> ah yes
[07:19] <LaserJock> I'm going to have a semester to catch up on if I don't watch it :(
[07:20] <ajmitch> ouch
[09:06] <siretart> hi
[09:08] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:08] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:26] <siretart> ajmitch: still learning for my test on tuesday
[09:26] <siretart> finally the openal transition started (was sitting in NEW) in unstable, but I'm busy with learning :(
[09:27] <siretart> ajmitch: how are you?
[09:39] <ajmitch> good :)
[09:39] <ajmitch> back at uni
[09:40] <ajmitch> trying to get back into MOTU work
[09:40] <ajmitch> but I have to find something I can concentrate on
[09:43] <ajmitch> sigh, just filled up /var :)
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: dude
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: opensyncs modules and the gui
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: or, pornview :)
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: btw, testresources just got out of new, I'd love to get that into universe for dapper
[10:33] <ajmitch> we'd probably have to make an exception for new packages, but I think it can be done
[10:41] <sivang> morning all
[10:43] <Toadstool> morning motus
[10:43] <lifeless> ajmitch: it lets the test script for baz-import run for bzrtools
[10:55] <azeem> lifeless: you won't believe it, but I've been hacking on the opensync modules a bit lately
[10:56] <lifeless> azeem: sweet
[11:34] <jpatrick> Toadstool: wide-dhcp6 is in
[11:34] <Toadstool> cool :)
[11:34] <Toadstool> thanks a lot everybody
[11:35] <jpatrick> :)
[11:39] <lifeless> azeem so start uploading to NEW already :)
[11:39] <azeem> today is a really bad day for uploading here
[11:39] <azeem> 2410 packets transmitted, 165 received, 93% packet loss, time 2414974ms
[11:40] <azeem> that's to the DSL router...
[11:41] <azeem> maybe I fried my prism2 pc-card, it was getting very hot a couple of days ago and started doing IRQ trouble till it locked up the notebook
[11:41] <azeem> lifeless: anyway, I wanted to test them, but I guess we can just fix them up once they hit unstable?
[11:42] <lifeless> right
[11:42] <lifeless> as long as they load for you, and perhaps pass make check, it shouls be good enough  to start them flowing through the pipeline
[11:42] <lifeless> [of course the packaging should be solid too ;))
[12:05] <zyga_> has anyone seen dholbach today?
[12:10] <jpatrick> not me
[12:10] <siretart> zyga_: I think he doesn't work on sundays
[12:10] <zyga_> siretart: thanks for the info
[12:15] <zyga_> can someone remind me the rules of version-NubuntuM naming?
[12:15] <zyga_> or where to find them
[12:17] <siretart> zyga_: if you do changes to an ubuntu package and want to prevent the next debian update to autosynce your changes over, use the NubuntuM naming
[12:17] <siretart> zyga_: this applies to almost all uploads to ubuntu
[12:17] <zyga_> siretart: this package is not in ubuntu
[12:17] <zyga_> s/ubuntu/debian/
[12:17] <zyga_> I'm updating ontv (maintained by dholbah) over from 1.6.2 to 1.8.8
[12:17] <jpatrick> -0ubuntu1
[12:18] <siretart> zyga_: can you ensure that won't appear in debian in the future?
[12:18] <zyga_> siretart: no
[12:18] <zyga_> siretart: right now it's 0ubuntu4
[12:18] <zyga_> I've upgraded version to 1.8.8-0ubuntu1
[12:19] <siretart> in the case of ontv, I think dholbach will handle it. I think he was the one who submitted the UVF exception request
[12:19] <zyga_> oh
[12:19] <zyga_> good to know
[12:19] <siretart> I think
[12:19] <G0SUB> jpatrick: is there any documentation on this versioning scheme ?
[12:19] <siretart> better check malone and look at the last repots
[12:20] <zyga_> checking
[12:20] <siretart> G0SUB: it should be on the wiki page under DeveloperRessources. If it isn't please add it there
[12:20] <malte`> hi there
[12:20] <G0SUB> siretart: ok
[12:20] <siretart> hi malte`
[12:20] <malte`> i wanted to ask: if i fill an uvf exception, should i provide the new package or is it someone else's duty?
[12:21] <siretart> malte`: please provide the package and find an developer who uploads it for you
[12:21] <siretart> malte`: if one of these 2 steps fail, please say so in the uvf report
[12:22] <malte`> how do i "provide" it, by attaching it to the bug report?
[12:22] <siretart> either attach it, or link to it. your choice
[12:22] <malte`> ok, thank you :)
[12:22] <siretart> nm
[12:23] <G0SUB> siretart: it's documented
[12:23] <G0SUB> siretart: any update on the Beagle UVF Exception request?
[12:23] <siretart> great :)
[12:24] <G0SUB> I had attached the diff to the bugreport
[12:27] <G0SUB> siretart: I have a query
[12:27] <siretart> G0SUB: unfortunately, I'm incredibly busy until tuesday. sorry :(
[12:28] <G0SUB> there are a few languages which don't have lang packs for Firefox & OOo yet ... if I get the stuff, can we put them up for Dapper?
[12:28] <G0SUB> siretart: that's ok
[12:30] <G0SUB> jpatrick: ?
[12:30] <jpatrick> G0SUB: hi
[12:31] <G0SUB> jpatrick: hello! can you comment on ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?
[12:33] <jpatrick> G0SUB: I suppose you could
[12:34] <G0SUB> hmm, great then
[01:21] <seaLne> what is the normal procedure for a package that is currently just synced from debian but has bugs? (in this case the DD is extremly slow to respond to bugs, the package was removed from sarge because he never applied previous patches in time)
[01:24] <siretart> seaLne: uploading a fixed version to ubuntu
[01:25] <seaLne> k
[01:37] <seaLne> i'm having some problems getting dpatch to work during package build
[01:39] <Toadstool> seaLne: what kind of problems ?
[01:39] <jpatrick> seaLne: "include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make" in debian/rules
[01:40] <seaLne> when i get a pastebin to load i'll share :)
[01:40] <seaLne> it already had dpatch in it so i doubt thats it
[01:41] <seaLne> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610477
[01:41] <Toadstool> you're adding a patch to a package ?
[01:41] <seaLne> yeah
[01:41] <seaLne> .dpatch http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610478
[01:42] <jpatrick> are your patches in debian/patches/* ?
[01:42] <seaLne> i added it to debian/patches/00list
[01:42] <seaLne> yeah
[01:42] <Toadstool> did you add it after a previous package build ?
[01:42] <seaLne> thought of that and rm -rf'ed
[01:47] <Toadstool> seaLne: works fine for me
[01:47] <seaLne> what did you do?
[01:47] <Toadstool> I just apt-got source autopsy, added your patch and built without a prob'
[01:48] <seaLne> thats what i'm doing ...
[01:48] <seaLne> all you did was copy patch and add to 00list?
[01:48] <Toadstool> yep
[01:49] <seaLne> the only other things i've done are changelog, control and compat
[01:49] <seaLne> hmm
[01:49] <Toadstool> weird then...
[01:50] <seaLne> yeah, i'm pretty sure i built it before which is weird
[01:52] <Toadstool> just try to backup what you modified in debian dir, rm -rf the whole source files, download the sources again and put your modified files in it
[01:52] <Toadstool> i'm pretty sure there's a dirty patched file
[01:52] <seaLne> hm just noticed my .dpatch is 03_ and other things are 02. could that be a problem?
[01:53] <Toadstool> not at all
[01:53] <Toadstool> you just have to put the right name in 00list
[01:53] <seaLne> yeah, strangely it working now
[01:54] <Toadstool> great news :)
[01:55] <Toadstool> :)
[02:03] <seaLne> dcfldd can probably be archived as it was accepted
[02:04] <seaLne> uploaded http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2160
[02:11] <seaLne> very weird patch 01 isn't there in http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/autopsy-0603190800/autopsy-2.06/debian/patches/
[02:12] <seaLne> yet it is still in the diff
[02:53] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:30] <Yagisan> I just had someone convert to ubuntu, so they could use my unofficial games repo. It's apparently easier to set up then on windows :)
[03:35] <zyga_> Yagisan: what repo is that?
[03:37] <Yagisan> zyga_:  http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/
[03:38] <dolson> Yagisan: lots of things are easier to set up on Windows :)
[03:39] <Yagisan> dolson: not that game ;)
[03:40] <dolson> Yagisan: a friend of mine nearly ripped out his hair trying to set up the WAMP stack. he kept messaging me asking for help on how to do this or that, and I kept on saying "on Linux, I type in apt-get install apache php mysql, sorry that Windows is too hard for you"
[03:41] <Yagisan> dolson: heh. The only proplem was that Ubuntu detected the onbaord disabled SiS rather then AGP nvidia video card
[03:41] <dolson> then he had finally got it almost working, and he tried installing Mambo and again was bugging me.  I wasted a week and half trying to get this shit working" etc
[03:42] <dolson> so I said, "ok, let me try it on my system and see where you are getting stuck"
[03:42] <Yagisan> yes, that sounds like windows
[03:42] <dolson> ten minutes later, I gave him a link to log into my Mambo system... no problems
[03:43] <dolson> me and another friend of his were talking about Ubuntu and he overheard us, and so he was asking me questions one day and I asked if he was finally installing it, and he said yes, but in a warezed VMware
[03:44] <dolson> so then when his Windows crashes he can say that it was Linux's fault and that it's not stable. he's always got problems. if he plugs in his digital camera, his system BSODs
[03:46] <spacey> Yagisan: man your site is slowwww
[03:47] <Yagisan> well, it's on my dog slow adsl connection, why I get the money to move to a new host
[03:47] <Yagisan> s/shy/shile
[03:47] <Yagisan> crap can't type
[03:47] <Yagisan> s/why/while
[03:48] <spacey> Yagisan: if you want i can mirror your repo
[03:49] <Yagisan> spacey: thanks for the offer. I'm already setting up one mirror, so a second would be really nice.
[03:49] <Yagisan> spacey: ubuntu only ?
[03:50] <spacey> Yagisan: at least ubuntu :p
[03:50] <spacey> more is fine, i don't care
[03:51] <Yagisan> spacey: approx 2GB for ubuntu. approx double to 6 weeks around a new release
[03:51] <spacey> Yagisan: diskspace enough
[03:53] <Yagisan> thanks spacey :) once licensing is sorted the main game (all 3MB of it) will go back to revu for inclusion inti ubuntu proper
[03:53] <spacey> ok
[03:53] <spacey> Yagisan: just send me an e-mail
[03:53] <spacey> and i'll reply with account details
[03:54] <spacey> you can use ssh+rsync
[04:19] <spacey> Yagisan: you got mail
[04:22] <Yagisan> spacey: thank you very much.
[04:23] <mcquaid> hello, could someone tell me what libgl1-mesa-glide3 is for exactly?
[04:23] <mcquaid> i can't get this voodoo3 to work with dri and wasn't sure if that file is for dri via the tdfx driver or for the outdated glide driver
[04:24] <mcquaid> i upgraded to dapper hoping it might resolve this issue but it's still the same and i noticed this new package
[08:10] <nictuku> hi. sorry about the off-topic, but is 'machines' a good synonym for 'computers' or in a broad sense, 'network nodes', in english?
[08:12] <nictuku> I wonder if it's ok to use that in NetworkWideUpdates prototype tool's documentation
[08:12] <Erlang> nictuku: if the context makes clear you talk about computers and networks they I'd say it is.
[08:13] <nictuku> thank you
[08:14] <nictuku> is 'nodes' better?
[08:15] <Erlang> can't say...
[08:16] <siretart> nictuku: I'd stay with 'computers'. it seems to be more common to unexperienced users
[08:21] <nictuku> seems better
[08:39] <Se7h> hi
[08:39] <crimsun> hullo.
[08:40] <Se7h> aloha
[09:12] <crimsun> would someone with working hardware GL acceleration please confirm that bzflag segfaults on startup?
[09:13] <crimsun> bug #34687
[09:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34687 in bzflag "dapper bzflag wont start" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34687
[09:13] <Erlang> gimme a few secondes
[09:13] <crimsun> thanks
[09:15] <Erlang> Looks fine.  Although I can't see the display from here.
[09:17] <ajmitch> morning
[09:18] <crimsun> 'morning, ajmitch
[09:19] <ajmitch> crimsun: did the bug reporter specify architecture, etc?
[09:19] <ajmitch> hm no, they didn't say much at all
[09:19] <sivang> morning southern eastern folks :)
[09:19] <crimsun> looks like i686
[09:19] <crimsun> (just checking his /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[09:20] <crimsun> morning sivang
[09:20] <sivang> s/eastern//
[09:20] <sivang> hey crimsun , how goes it?
[09:20] <crimsun> sivang: not bad, yourself?
[09:21] <Erlang> crimsun: Cannot confirm with AMD64, Dapper, and nVidia drivers.
[09:21] <bmonty> hey crimsun, ajmitch
[09:21] <crimsun> Erlang: thanks. :)
[09:21] <crimsun> 'afternoon, bmonty
[09:22] <ajmitch> crimsun: bzflag starts
[09:22] <crimsun> ajmitch: thanks. :)
[09:23] <sivang> crimsun: pretty good, enjoying so much from developing with python-gtk
[09:23] <crimsun> :)
[09:23] <Erlang> Anyone owns "Programming Python", ze book?
[09:24] <bmonty> sivang: I kniw the feeling
[09:24] <sivang> Erlang: I have seen zis book :)
[09:24] <Erlang> any good?
[09:24] <sivang> Erlang: although I have followed DIP
[09:24] <sivang> (Dive INto Python)
[09:24] <Erlang> okay.
[09:24] <sivang> bmonty: :)
[09:26] <crimsun> hehe
[09:52] <seaLne> Erlang: i thought "Programming Python" was apretty bad book
[09:54] <Erlang> seaLne: oh?
[09:54] <seaLne> compared to programing perl and the ruby pickaxe book
[09:54] <seaLne> i found it hard to read
[09:55] <Erlang> okay.
[09:55] <seaLne> i suppose everyone likes different styles of books tho
[09:56] <Erlang> The library here doesn't have it so I can't peek at it.
[09:56] <Erlang> And since I've found Programming Perl enjoyable I thought Programming Python could be a candidate.
[09:57] <seaLne> that was what i thought aswell and i think led to the disapointment
[09:58] <seaLne> they are very differently written
[09:58] <Amaranth> any of you use banshee?
[09:59] <crimsun> (quod libet here)
[09:59] <ajmitch> Amaranth: just ask the question :)
[09:59] <Erlang> yeah, Larry Walls rules... It's rare that I actually laught reading a very technical book.
[09:59] <Amaranth> ajmitch: it won't import my m4a files
[09:59] <Amaranth> anyone else having the same problem?
[10:00] <crimsun> but gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///path/to/an.m4a works?
[10:00] <Amaranth> checking
[10:01] <Amaranth> yep, that works
[10:01] <crimsun> k
[10:01] <Amaranth> let me get the exact message
[10:02] <Amaranth> through an abuse --trace run i even almost had where it was happening
[10:02] <Amaranth> but that took 40 minutes
[10:02] <Amaranth> Cannot Import: /home/amaranth/Music/System of a Down/Hypnotize/01 Attack.m4a (System.InvalidCastException, Cannot cast from source type to destination type.)
[10:03] <crimsun> you don't happen to be using gst 0.10.5-0ubuntu2, do you?
[10:04] <Amaranth> EXCEPTION handling: InvalidCastException
[10:04] <Amaranth> EXCEPTION: catch found at clause 1 of Banshee.PlayerUI:OnImportManagerImportRequested (object,Banshee.Base.ImportEventArgs)
[10:04] <Amaranth> i'm using whatever the latest is
[10:04] <Amaranth> 0.10.8+dfsg-1ubuntu2
[10:04] <ajmitch> Amaranth: gst version?
[10:04] <Amaranth> oh, and banshee's code is really hard to follow
[10:04] <crimsun> dpkg -l libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 |grep ^ii |awk '{ print $3 }'
[10:05] <Amaranth> no packages found?
[10:06] <Amaranth> oh, typo
[10:06] <Amaranth> 0.10.5-0ubuntu1
[10:06] <crimsun> ok, not the issue I was thinking of, then
[10:06] <Amaranth> as far as i can tell it's entagged
[10:07] <Amaranth> but banshee's code suffers from abstractionitis
[10:10] <Amaranth> any ideas? :)
[10:11] <crimsun> I don't know offhand, sorry.
[10:39] <Amaranth> i talked to abock, i tracked it down to the line causing problems
[10:39] <Amaranth> now i just need to figure out why
[11:00] <Amaranth> slomo: you can only build a banshee package once
[11:00] <slomo_> Amaranth: that's fixed in cvs
[11:00] <slomo_> Amaranth: no need to worry about it
[11:00] <Amaranth> ok
[11:01] <slomo_> Amaranth: just build it with dpkg-buildpackage .... -nc ;)
[11:01] <Amaranth> ah
[11:01] <slomo_> Amaranth: part of my patches which were comitted by abock on 2006-03-15 fixed it
[11:02] <Amaranth> my m4a files give me -1 for duration with dapper's version
[11:02] <Amaranth> abock can't reproduce with HEAD but said nothing in that code had changed
[11:03] <slomo_> weird... can you upload one file for me?
[11:04] <Amaranth> pm
[11:05] <slomo_> ok... i'll test it later... but i'm running HEAD too
[11:05] <Amaranth> package HEAD?
[11:05] <Amaranth> :)
[11:06] <slomo_> no ;)
[11:06] <Amaranth> i will, just to test with :)
[11:13] <Amaranth> ok, no i won't
[11:13] <Amaranth> hrm
[11:13] <slomo_> why?
[11:13] <Amaranth> can't get autogen.sh to go
[11:13] <Amaranth> why isn't gnome-common listed as a build-dep?
[11:14] <slomo_> because it's no build-dependency
[11:14] <slomo_> you only need it to generate the autoconf/automake stuff
[11:15] <slomo_> Amaranth: shows the correct time for me... 1:03
[11:15] <Amaranth> yeah, with HEAD, right?
[11:15] <slomo_> yes
[11:15] <slomo_> let's test 0.10.8
[11:16] <Amaranth> i copied entagged-sharp from HEAD into the 0.10.8 dir and i'm building a package from it
[11:16] <slomo_> works too
[11:16] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[11:17] <Amaranth> i have fully up-to-date dapper with no special config
[11:18] <slomo_> no idea... you could try entagged-sharp from svn, there's a sample program in there afaik... and then look where the -1 comes from
[11:32] <Amaranth> slomo_: in svn the tests don't get built :/


[01:50]  * cyberanger wonders if the crickets are hungry again.
[02:07] <wrst> chirp chirp
[02:08]  * Unit193 munches.
[03:13]  * minasota re-dips (gasp)
[04:49] <cyberanger> How's everyone tonight?


[01:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#4179 closed: build(deps): bump tornado from 6.2 to 6.3.2 in /docs/.sphinx <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4179>
[08:57] <mup> PR snapd#12851 closed: packagekit: allow dbus activation from snapped apps <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12851>
[09:02] <mup> PR snapd#12873 opened: interfaces/udev: do not tag modules <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12873>
[09:13] <lissyx> "Checking connectivity with the snap store" I'm getting stuck at that
[09:13] <lissyx> wehn installing deb on focal
[09:13] <lissyx> I dont plan on using multipass/lxd because it's running inside docker
[09:13] <lissyx> any idea what could be blocking the snap store?
[09:17] <mup> PR snapd#12874 opened: cmd/snap-device-helper: handle bind and unbind commands <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12874>
[09:22] <lissyx> (I see it's the preinst script that performs "snap info snapcraft")
[12:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3876 closed: Remove trailing slash from staging  STORE_UPLOAD_URL <Created by Roadmaster> <Closed by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3876>
[13:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#4205 opened: lint: fix for pyright 1.1.312 <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4205>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#12507 closed: cmd/snap: add '--chain' flag for sign command <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by alexclewontin> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12507>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#12646 closed: wayland: add support for eglstream on Core <Created by Saviq> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12646>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#12694 closed: opengl: allow libdrm data files <Created by Saviq> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12694>
[13:38] <mup> PR snapd#12816 closed: interface: allow /sys/devices/platform based gpio paths <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12816>
[13:38] <mup> PR snapd#12864 closed: interfaces/audio: remove write permissions in pulse folder <Created by sergio-costas> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12864>
[13:43] <mup> PR snapd#12859 closed: timeutil: fix tests to run in non-UTC timezones <Skip spread> <Created by alexmurray> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12859>
[14:08] <mup> PR snapd#12875 opened: many: support for online remodelling <Run nested> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12875>
[14:08] <mup> PR snapd#12876 opened: many: support providing snaps and assertion from the command line to "snap remodel" <Needs Documentation :book:> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12876>
[15:19] <mup> PR snapd#12877 opened: i/b/qualcomm_ipc_router.go: switch to plug/slot and add socket permission <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12877>
[15:59] <mup> PR snapd#12868 closed: o/aspectstate: add transactions/hijacking [WIP] <Needs Documentation -auto-> <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12868>
[17:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#4205 closed: lint: fix for pyright 1.1.312 <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4205>
[21:20] <mup> PR snapd#12878 opened: Fix custom-device, shared-memory interfaces not updating when static attributes change on refresh <Created by alexclewontin> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12878>
[22:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#4171 closed: build(deps): bump requests from 2.30.0 to 2.31.0 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4171>