[00:42] <sergiusens> kenvandine I cannot seem to reproduce https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hfPaG2Gv/
[00:43] <kenvandine> sergiusens: could it have anything to do with my own override of the meson plugin?
[00:43] <kenvandine> i had one that i've since removed
[00:43] <sergiusens> maybe, if you apt install build-depends for a package, you might end up with meson
[00:44] <kenvandine> i don't do that
[00:44] <kenvandine> but i had x-meson.py
[00:44] <kenvandine> that just added some env stuff
[00:44] <kenvandine> but i don't need it anymore
[00:47] <kenvandine> sergiusens: i'll try to reproduce it with that tomorrow
[06:43] <didrocks> good morning
[07:14] <duflu> Hello didrocks. Come here often?
[07:15] <didrocks> duflu: hey! Once in a while ;)
[08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:03] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[08:03] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ça va!
[08:03] <oSoMoN> et toi?
[08:05] <duflu> o/  oSoMoN
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[08:06] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va bien :)
[08:43] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:43] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va ?
[08:44] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ça va ! et toi ?
[08:45] <oSoMoN> ça va
[08:45] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:46] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:46] <duflu> seb128, not great but OK. You?
[08:47] <seb128> I'm fine, a bit tired and a bit of cold, the usual nowadays...
[08:47] <duflu> Welcome to December
[08:50] <seb128> yeah
[08:50] <seb128> duflu, https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/commit/?id=475acc95 looks wrong to me
[08:50] <seb128> the lintian warning is buggy in this case and fine to ignore imho
[08:51] <duflu> seb128, I thought archive builds failed on such errors?
[08:51] <seb128> no
[08:51] <seb128> lintian is just informative
[08:51] <duflu> Oh well, different packages, different errors
[08:51] <seb128> no need to bother redoing things now
[08:51] <seb128> but for the next merge
[08:51] <duflu> seb128, well those entries weren't really there before. I only added them at your suggestion
[08:52] <seb128> right, I still think it's better to have them
[08:53] <seb128> like I would include them in the .changes before uploads so update-manager/the mailing list would describe the debian changes we merged
[08:53] <seb128> duflu, 2ubuntu0 also is a weird revision, we usually start at 1
[08:53] <seb128> e.g 2ubuntu1
[08:54] <seb128> but that's fine for this time, again no need to redo work
[08:54] <duflu> seb128, oh, I checked and there was precedent for 0
[08:54] <seb128> weird, could have been for a SRU?
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <duflu> Laney: <nod>
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:06] <seb128> how are you?
[09:08] <oSoMoN> yo Laney
[09:11] <andyrock> good morning!
[09:12] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[09:15] <seb128> hey andyrock! how are you?
[09:15] <andyrock> seb128: getting ready to go to the office
[09:15] <Laney> hey duflu seb128 oSoMoN andyrock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:15] <seb128> nice
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, that sounds like a good tuesday's start, full of energy :)
[09:16]  * andyrock forgot to charge phone during the night and he's waiting for it
[09:16] <Laney> I'm alright, had a nice climbing session last night
[09:16] <Laney> and now TEA
[09:16] <Laney> you?
[09:16] <Laney> can't believe you still have that cold
[09:17] <seb128> yeah, it was fine a few day and I think I got another virus :/
[09:17] <seb128> it start going better again
[09:18] <didrocks> hey andyrock & Laney
[09:18] <Laney> moin didrocks
[09:19] <Laney> how's the france?
[09:19] <didrocks> cold, but blue sky ;)
[09:19] <didrocks> so overall very nice :p
[10:07] <willcooke> Hi all
[10:07] <willcooke> Train is late.  Stood in the freezing cold for 20 mins :(
[10:07] <willcooke> Good news is that the wifi connected on the train first try.
[10:07] <willcooke> cc oSoMoN ^ so far so good
[10:08] <seb128> hey willcooke
[10:08] <seb128> I hope you are not next on the "get an annoying cold" list
[10:09] <willcooke> That was last week :)
[10:09] <Laney> they told me the flu shot takes 2-3 weeks to become effective
[10:09] <Laney> still time to be struck down 😈
[10:09] <willcooke> So my superpowers should be coming through any minute
[10:10] <seb128> is the flu 'out' yet? like do they know if they targetted the right virus variant this year?
[10:10] <seb128> since that's mostly guess work and not always spot on
[10:11] <willcooke> The flu shots are out, so I guess they must have done the guess work already
[10:11] <seb128> right, it doesn't mean they guessed right
[10:11] <willcooke> heh
[10:11] <willcooke> very true
[10:11] <Laney> :-O
[10:11] <Laney> is there some kind of stats showing how well it worked each year?
[10:11] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[10:11] <duflu> BTW, this is nuts -> bug 1805444
[10:12] <didrocks> not even sure they are looking for stats ;)
[10:12] <seb128> Laney, random google hit, http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/
[10:13] <seb128> "Early findings from Canada indicate a 17 percent effectiveness"
[10:13] <didrocks>  /o\
[10:14] <seb128> well it's a bit misleading to copy that only, they said it reduces from 40 to 60% the risk to get the flu
[10:14] <willcooke> duflu, blimey, that is a tangled web indeed
[10:14] <duflu> At least it now explains everything I see
[10:15] <seb128> maybe I should reconsider my position and decide it's useful thing to do
[10:16] <willcooke> All the school kids get one up the nose now
[10:16] <willcooke> oh, not all of them years 0 -> 5
[10:16] <willcooke> and kids with asthma
[10:16] <willcooke> This is quite good: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/09/13/flu-vaccination-what-you-need-to-know-about-this-years-programme/
[10:17] <Laney> don't think I've ever had the proper flu
[10:17] <Laney> someone told me the difference between a bad cold and the flu is, if you look out of your window and see £20 on the floor
[10:17] <Laney> whether you can be arsed to go and pick it up
[10:17] <willcooke> I had it once, I think.  It was mad.  Big fever, crazy dreams, couldnt get out of bed
[10:17] <seb128> haha
[10:18] <Laney> on that basis I'd rather not get it /o\
[10:18] <seb128> what I had in January for going to CapeTown looked like it to me, first time I felt that down
[10:18] <seb128> right :)
[10:18] <Laney> :<
[10:18]  * Laney hugs past seb128
[10:18]  * seb128 hugs Laney back
[10:18] <willcooke> duflu, so Disco will be fixed fixed soon?  And then Bionic later, but we need to do MIRs etc?
[10:18] <seb128> that was not a nice trip
[10:18] <willcooke> :(
[10:19] <duflu> willcooke, I think that means disco and cosmic don't need any fixes, so long as they stay on 3.30. If we move to 3.32 then new fixes are required
[10:19] <willcooke> If you'd have been going to America they might have picked you up on those IR cameras and not let you in
[10:19] <willcooke> duflu, do we need to MIR the nvidia bits?
[10:20] <duflu> willcooke, yes but it's not in universe yet, AND there's a file conflict with the nvidia drivers that Timo/someone has to work out yet
[10:20] <duflu> Also, I am tempted to hack up a patch that eliminates the need for the new build dep (as it was and working in previous versions)
[10:20] <willcooke> duflu, got it.  Is getting it in to universe on us or someone else?
[10:21] <duflu> willcooke, it's already queued https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[10:21] <willcooke> oh, cool!
[10:21] <tjaalton> duflu: the files are dropped from nvidia driver, and egl-wayland on the queue should properly replace the old driver
[10:22]  * willcooke is going underground
[10:22] <willcooke> bbiab
[10:22] <duflu> tjaalton, thanks. That gets us closer to a clean solution that doesn't require upstream changes
[10:22] <duflu> which I didn't even know was an option till today
[10:46] <willcooke> back
[10:46] <willcooke> London is looking nice today
[10:47] <amurray> willcooke: thanks again for your help with freerdp2 yesterday :)
[10:47] <willcooke> hey amurray, no worries, happy to help.
[10:48] <willcooke> In related news, getting xrdp working is a mess
[10:48] <willcooke> server side that is
[10:48] <amurray> willcooke: I tested it against my wife's Windows 7 machine which was thankfully pretty painless - sorry you had to do the hard yards
[10:49] <amurray> willcooke: if you have any notes re: xrdp I'd be keen to try and replicate it
[10:49] <willcooke> amurray, darn it - I should have tried against the windows machine.  Didnt think of that :)
[10:55] <willcooke> I found some instructions online to work around the problems, but I think we need to look at it in a bit more depth. That said vino is the choice of tech for remote desktop, and that works well
[10:55] <willcooke> so... not a priority
[10:56] <willcooke> If Reminna can control Windows, that's good
[13:57] <andyrock> seb128: I'm taking a look at the gnome-control-center issue
[13:58] <seb128> andyrock, which one?
[13:58] <seb128> the report without retracing?
[13:58] <andyrock> seb128:  the increase in error rates
[13:58] <andyrock> it's something about cc_panel_get_permission
[13:59] <andyrock> let me see if it's something obvious that can be fixed in little time
[14:00] <seb128> andyrock, well, Brian replied that the increase decreased and it's fine
[14:00] <seb128> but yeah, if we have a new bug it would be nice to fix it
[14:02] <andyrock> seb128: also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/50#note_383341 has some screenshot of the new dialog for gnome-software
[14:02] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 50 in gnome-software "auth: Use gnome-online-accounts to handle the authentication" [Opened]
[14:07] <seb128> andyrock, looks nice :)
[14:07] <seb128> good work!
[14:30] <seb128> ok, already that time of the day!
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2018-12-11
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 11 14:30:44 2018 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <didrocks> hey
[14:31] <seb128> 	Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN (out), tkamppeter,  robert_ancell (out)
[14:31] <Laney> hi
[14:32] <jbicha> howdy 🤠
[14:32] <seb128> The weekly updates are on https://community.ubuntu.com/t/monday-10th-december/9005
[14:32] <seb128> let's do bugs reviews
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no item for us there
[14:32] <kenvandine> o/
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> some accepted/not fix commited/without owner
[14:33] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/+bug/1803271
[14:34] <seb128> looks like the fix is the incoming 1.52.5
[14:34] <seb128> does anyone want to own that SRU?
[14:35] <seb128> if not I'm going to assign Marco, seems he has been working upstream on preparing the release
[14:35] <Laney> yes, the original assignee?
[14:35] <seb128> I guess let's do that
[14:35] <seb128> Daniel?
[14:36] <Laney> looks like that's who it was initially
[14:36] <seb128> k, let me assign to him
[14:36] <seb128> he can do trade with marco if he wants
[14:36] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1807127
[14:36] <seb128> Laney, do you own that one?
[14:36] <Laney> dunno, if you read my status I asked Jeremy if he would take care of uploading
[14:37] <jbicha> seb128: yes, I am working on the gnome-desktop one
[14:37] <seb128> ah, right
[14:37] <seb128> jbicha, please take the bugs assignment then
[14:37] <seb128> thx
[14:37] <seb128> (sorry, I did read that bit but forgot the detail)
[14:37] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1807719
[14:37] <jbicha> I need to work with Security for the uploads
[14:37] <seb128> jbicha, I guess that's for you as well?
[14:37] <jbicha> yes
[14:37] <seb128> also please don't nominate bugs without assignement
[14:38] <seb128> either rls tag or nominate/assign to yourself directly if that's what you plan to do
[14:38] <jbicha> sure, I meant to self-nominate for the gtk3 one
[14:38] <seb128> k
[14:38] <seb128> thx
[14:38] <seb128> ah, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1781597
[14:39] <seb128> I take that one, I uploaded to disco/cosmic, bionic SRU is ongoing work
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, you said previous week you would take https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk/+bug/1750069 but didn't? :(
[14:40] <seb128> k, that's it for bionic
[14:40] <kenvandine> whoops
[14:40] <kenvandine> thought i had
[14:40] <kenvandine> sorry
[14:40] <kenvandine> i've been working on it :)
[14:40] <seb128> np, thx for fixing :)
[14:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:40] <seb128> no desktop there
[14:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:41] <seb128> the gtk & gnome-desktop ones we just discussed are the only ones
[14:41] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:41] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1797381
[14:42] <seb128> opinion on +1/-1?
[14:42] <seb128> touch only isn't common and it's probalby easy to workaround (I didn't test but I guess you can swipe up invoke the keyboard)
[14:43] <seb128> but at the same time touch support is becoming more important especially for oem
[14:43] <Laney> dunno, but I don't like the suggested solution :-)
[14:43] <seb128> I would say -1/rls-not-fixing, we can still have a go at fixing it (and it's assigned)
[14:44] <kenvandine> seb128: i recently witnessed a user of an all in one with a blue tooth keyboard
[14:44] <Laney> "osk is completly broken under xorg" is not a situation that upstream would want either
[14:44] <kenvandine> he was using the touch screen with the keyboard turned off
[14:44] <kenvandine> that would be inconvenient to turn on the keyboard to work around that
[14:44] <seb128> can you swipe up the osk though?
[14:45] <seb128> or is that also not working?
[14:45] <kenvandine> i think you can
[14:45] <kenvandine> the example i have was a windows user :)
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I talked a bit about Carlos about that, doesn't really a focus for them though :/
[14:45] <seb128> anyway
[14:45] <seb128> +1/-1?
[14:45] <Laney> -1 is ok for me
[14:46] <Laney> it'll come back by other routes if oems want it
[14:46] <seb128> right
[14:46] <didrocks> agreed
[14:47] <seb128> the other one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1805857
[14:47] <seb128> which needs to get its tag deleted, I'm doing that now
[14:47] <Laney> thx
[14:47] <seb128> I updated n-m to 1.12.6, that didn't automagically resolve the issue :/
[14:47] <Laney> yeah, guess I get to look again
[14:47] <Laney> I am seriously clueless here though, going to take some time
[14:48] <popey> oSoMoN: hey! Run "snap find" and you'll see Libreoffice is the longest "summary" of all the featured snaps. I wonder if there might be too many words in that summary, and it could be shortened a bit to fit on a display less than 3000 pixels wide :D
[14:48] <seb128> I'm having a look/might try to just throw that in the air on #nm in case it rings a bell upstream
[14:48] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1805444
[14:48] <Laney> this one didn't show up
[14:49] <Laney> that's probably because the task is fix released
[14:49] <Laney> wonder if we should ask if foundations can fix the report to show those bugs
[14:49] <seb128> do you want to do take the item to ask them about that?
[14:49] <seb128> (if not I can)
[14:50] <Laney> k, unless you think that sync meeting you have is a better venue
[14:50] <seb128> I think it's probably easier to ask Brian first if he can do that
[14:50] <Laney> k
[14:50] <seb128> rather than going up-and-down chains
[14:50] <seb128> thx
[14:51] <Laney> sometimes chains work for getting people to work on stuff :-)
[14:51] <seb128> so back to this bug
[14:51] <seb128> right :)
[14:51] <seb128> well, I put a note for it
[14:51] <Laney> k
[14:52] <Laney> anyway, not sure making wayland work on bionic is an rls goal?
[14:52] <seb128> if nothing moves before eoy I raise it up post holidays
[14:52] <seb128> right, it's not
[14:52] <seb128> nvidia asked about egl support though
[14:53] <seb128> but again, we can say no and it can come back via customer escalation if needed
[14:53] <seb128> so I vote -1 for today
[14:53] <Laney> yup
[14:54] <seb128> thx
[14:54] <seb128> doing that then
[14:54] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:54] <seb128> is clear
[14:54] <seb128> so I think that's it for rls bugs
[14:54] <seb128> Laney, your turn for https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:55] <Laney> k, ongoing transition should clear out a lot of those
[14:55] <Laney> n-m and sane are the only things to care about I think
[14:55] <Laney> pinged on that sane-backends bug, really unclear what the problem is
[14:55] <Laney> and nm is being worked
[14:55] <Laney> so I think it's ok more or less
[14:56] <seb128> the sane-backend one is a bit ridiculous :/
[14:57] <seb128> thx Laney
[14:57] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:57] <seb128> other topics?
[14:58] <didrocks> nothing for me
[14:58] <kenvandine> nothing here
[14:58] <seb128> ok
[14:58] <seb128> well, good one team
[14:59] <seb128> have a good holidays for those who are off before the next meeting
[14:59] <seb128> try to relax and enjoy the time off and recharge for the next year :)
[14:59] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 11 14:59:32 2018 UTC.
[14:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-12-11-14.30.moin.txt
[14:59] <didrocks> thx!
[15:12] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:12] <willcooke> sorry, a_ndyrock and I were in a meeting
[15:13] <seb128> good meeting I hope :)
[15:17] <willcooke> it was great!
[15:17] <willcooke> We  all got icecream at the end
[15:18] <seb128> :)
[15:18] <seb128> the way it should be!
[15:25] <mpt> andyrock, a couple weeks ago I saw a bug report from someone who upgraded 18.04 → 18.10 and didn’t know why Livepatch had disappeared. Do you remember where that was? I can’t find it on Launchpad.
[15:31] <kenvandine> willcooke: meeting
[15:33] <seb128> mpt, andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1799310
[15:33] <seb128> mpt, you reported it :p
[15:35] <mpt> Darn, my cover is blown
[15:37] <mpt> Thanks seb128 :-)
[15:37] <seb128> np!
[15:40] <andyrock> XD
[15:41] <willcooke> kenvandine, I declined the meeting today, do you need me for anytihng?
[15:41] <willcooke> (sorry, was away from computer)
[15:41] <kenvandine> willcooke: sorry, missed that
[15:41] <kenvandine> we are done
[15:41] <willcooke> \o/
[15:41] <willcooke> Hope you got icecream
[15:41] <kenvandine> lol
[15:41] <kenvandine> willcooke: try snap-store today... you'll see more snaps per category :)
[15:41] <willcooke> wooot!
[15:42] <kenvandine> the store team landed that last night
[15:44] <willcooke> nice, works good!
[15:54] <popey> kenvandine: yay!
[16:35] <seb128> woot, poppler to disco email \o/
[16:37] <Laney> |o|
[16:39] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1807900 might be interesting to you
[17:59] <andyrock> seb128: I'll add it to the list I need to do for livepatch
[18:00] <andyrock> *todo list
[18:35] <seb128> andyrock, thx
[20:52] <seb128> night


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[00:00] <Zelut> persia: ping
[00:22] <james_w> Laney: night. Good luck tomorrow.
[00:48] <Fujitsu> doko: Do we want to try to finish as much of the gfortran transition as possible for Hardy, or just get things installable as much as possible?
[01:05] <LaserJock> holy toledo Debian can be fast. avogadro just made it through NEW in 32 min. :-)
[01:09] <zul> evening
[01:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:16] <cody-somerville> Heya bddebian
[01:16] <bddebian> Hi cody-somerville
[01:16] <LaserJock> hola Barry
[01:17] <RAOF> Aloha bddebian, LaserJock.
[01:22] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, RAOF
[01:33] <cody-somerville> I got an error when creating a pbuilder chroot in Hardy.
[01:33] <cody-somerville> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58321/
[01:37] <mathiaz> cody-somerville: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyring/+bug/198110
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198110 in ubuntu-keyring "ubuntu-keyring doesn't install" [High,Triaged]
[01:38] <cody-somerville> There seems to be a lot of packages recently that seem broken because of a missing directory
[01:38] <blueyed> cody-somerville: workaround: "pbuilder login --save-after-login", then create the directory manually and exit.
[01:39] <cody-somerville> blueyed, How can I login if I haven't created it yet? :P
[01:41] <blueyed> cody-somerville: sure, sorry.. I just had this during "pbuilder update", so.. but maybe "--bindmounts" can help you?
[01:50] <cody-somerville> PolicyKit, hal, and now ubuntu-keyring have broke recently because of a missing directory under /var
[02:16] <Zelut> RAOF: ping
[02:40] <RAOF> Zelut: Contextless pong!
[02:40]  * Zelut loves the contextless pong.
[02:41] <Zelut> RAOF: I've got a merge update that needs some quick attention if you have a minute.
[02:41] <RAOF> Possibly?
[02:41] <Zelut> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/193715
[02:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193715 in beagle "Merge beagle 0.3.3-2 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:49] <jdong> you can hear the fight or flight process:
[02:49] <jdong> 21:41 < RAOF> Possibly?
[02:49] <Zelut> I'd be cautious of volunteering blindly as well.
[02:55] <jdong> as we'd all :)
[02:56] <Zelut> someone on my loco does a lot of work with beagle and i promised him I'd try to forward his merge request.
[02:57] <RAOF> It seems to be in the u-u-s queue.  It looks ok, from a cursory glance.
[03:43] <gmatht> Atl2source won't build on Hardy (bug 190342). This is fixed upstream. Perhaps someone should repackage it?
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190342 in atl2 "atl2-source to old for 2.6.24" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190342
[03:44] <somerville32> gmatht, file a bug? :)
[03:45] <gmatht> The bug hasn't been triaged in the last month.
[03:45] <gmatht> Presumably the maintainer of atl2source is on holiday.
[03:46] <gmatht> Simply removing atl2-source from Hardy would reduce confusion.
[03:49] <somerville32> gmatht, what is the bug number?
[03:51] <asantoni> I've got a question for a MOTU, or anyone knowledgeable
[03:51] <asantoni> One of my users reported a bug in a package, as well as the fix (the bug is present in gutsy and hardy)
[03:52] <asantoni> actually nm
[03:53] <somerville32> okay.
[03:53] <jdong> well that was anticlimactic
[04:01] <gmatht> bug 190342 : https://launchpad.net/bugs/190342
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190342 in atl2 "atl2-source to old for 2.6.24" [Undecided,New]
[04:01] <gmatht> didn't ubotu tell you the url?
[04:13] <somerville32> Okay, I'll request a sync with debian since they fix it
[04:20] <RAOF> Can someone recommend a not crap IMAP mail client for Gnome?
[04:20] <StevenK> telnet
[04:20]  * StevenK hides
[04:20] <jdong> RAOF: Evolution oh wait you said not.
[04:20] <jdong> RAOF: I use mutt because I've not found a single GUI client I'm satisfied with
[04:21] <RAOF> Right.  Thunderbird loses.
[04:21] <jdong> yeah thunderbird was better than Evo but still not great
[04:22] <jdong> I thought KMail was decent back when I used it though
[04:22]  * StevenK is happy-ish with Thunderbird
[04:22] <RAOF> "I can't login because you've selected secure login and the server doesn't support it.  Please turn off secure login, and try again".
[04:22] <StevenK> RAOF: Is that with Thunderbird?
[04:22] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:22] <RAOF> It's a stupid message.
[04:23] <StevenK> TLS or something different?
[04:23] <RAOF> SSL, I think.
[04:24] <RAOF> I don't really care whether the server (gmail) supports secure login or not - Thunderbird should do something smarter than that message.
[04:24] <StevenK> I can talk to an SSL server with Thunderbird
[04:25] <jdong> gmail runs TLS
[04:28] <RAOF> And SSL, apparently.
[04:35] <superm1> RAOF, i use gmail + thunderbird imap fine
[04:37] <RAOF> superm1: Yeah, you just need to uncheck the "use secure connection" button.
[04:37] <RAOF> The actual point I was trying to convey was "why don't you just try _without_ that option, and give me a warning"?
[04:37] <somerville32> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78799
[04:37] <StevenK> File a bug? :-)
[04:38] <somerville32> RAOF, It should ask the user to first
[04:38] <RAOF> somerville32: Certainly, give a warning.
[04:39] <RAOF> Actually, better still: pop up "you've selected secure connection, but the server you're using doesn't support it. [Disable secure connection] [Cancel]"
[04:39] <somerville32> imap is so slow :(
[04:39] <StevenK> [Disable this time] [Disable in settings] [Cancel] ?
[04:40] <RAOF> Better still.
[04:40] <StevenK> somerville32: Oh, bullcrap. Try POP3 over a CDMA service.
[04:40] <somerville32> hehe
[04:40] <superm1> RAOF, yeah that would be sensible though :)
[04:41] <somerville32> Everytime I've tried using a mail client over gmail's web interface, I switch back
[04:41]  * somerville32 is actually setting up evolution as we speak to give it a try
[04:41]  * StevenK doesn't have a gmail account.
[04:42]  * StevenK doesn't really have any burning desire to get one
[04:42] <RAOF> The web interface for gmail is very nearly great.
[04:42] <RAOF> I just _hate_ the things it gets wrong.
[04:42] <somerville32> mm
[04:43] <superm1> the nice thing about it is server side filtering
[04:43] <RAOF> Which I still get when accessing it over IMAP.
[04:43] <superm1> just takes ages to get good filters
[04:43] <superm1> exactly :)
[04:43] <RAOF> Even if they have a dog-slow imap
[04:44] <somerville32> It doesn't help I have a few hundred thousand e-mails
[04:45]  * RAOF has only 30K
[04:45] <RAOF> I'm surprised, actually.
[04:45] <somerville32> RAOF, that you have that many or that few?
[04:45]  * StevenK is counting
[04:46] <RAOF> That I have so few.
[04:46] <StevenK> A shade over 180,000
[04:46] <somerville32> RAOF, Clearly you're not subscribed to enough mailing lists.
[04:46] <somerville32> The next time you complain about mail volume, I'll remember this.
[04:47] <RAOF> I don't think you've ever heard me complain about mail volume :P
[04:47] <somerville32> ;]
[04:48] <RAOF> Sorry, closer to 100K.
[04:48] <RAOF> Gmail seems to miscount.
[04:48] <StevenK> Heh, much easy doing it this way:
[04:48] <StevenK> % ssh enervated 'find Maildir -type f | wc -l'
[04:48] <StevenK> :-P
[04:49] <RAOF> But that doesn't allow you to have customised adds displayed in the margin of your email.
[04:50] <StevenK> I don't wants adds or ads in the margin of my e-mail.
[04:51] <RAOF> StevenK: More XP!
[04:51] <freeflying> broonie: pong
[04:51] <StevenK> RAOF: WoW taught me adds are bad, anyway :-P
[04:53] <superm1> RAOF, gmail counts threads
[04:53]  * somerville32 wonders why evolution thinks that some of his mail from gmail is from the year 2030
[04:53] <superm1> not "emails"
[04:54] <RAOF> superm1: Of course, that's right.
[04:54] <ScottK> somerville32: It's telling you you should be using Kmail.
[04:55] <somerville32> hehe
[04:56]  * RAOF installs KMail to give it a try.
[04:56] <somerville32> Having an offline client does make it to easier to browse your e-mails
[04:56] <ScottK> RAOF: If you want a full PIM (with caldenaring and all) install Kontact
[04:56] <somerville32> don't have to pan through groups of one hundred
[05:01] <somerville32> How do I get evolution to import my contacts from gmail?
[05:01] <somerville32> or does imap not support that?
[05:02] <RAOF> So, thunderbird seems substantially faster than evolution (possibly because it doesn't yet have >100K messages in its database yet), but is ugly(er).
[05:02] <RAOF> IMAP probably does, gmail probably doesn't.
[05:03] <Flannel> IMAP just does mail.
[05:03] <Flannel> There are some contact-over-imap sorts of things (Kolab, for instance)
[05:04] <Flannel> There's also calendar-over-imap sort of thing, which... I can't remember if Kolab does it, or if ts called something else.
[05:05] <superm1> but there is the google calendar provider for gmail
[05:39] <RAOF> Shouldn't a kontact crash pop up apport?
[05:45] <ScottK> No.  KDE has it's own crash system that's not compatible or something like that.
[05:47] <RAOF> That must make kubuntu bugs substantially harder to deal with.
[05:53] <ScottK> Dunno.  The one bug I'm experiencing right now that apport triggers on apport crashes on too, so it's not really a lot of help for me right now.
[06:17] <ScottK> jdong: FYI, soyuz has now grown the additional concern that main backports can't build-dep on stuff that was in universe for that release (target release, not the source).
[06:23] <Fujitsu> ScottK: It has always had that.
[06:23] <Fujitsu> ScottK: It was just automatically throwing such builds out of depwait every publisher cycle, until I filed a bug about it.
[06:24] <Fujitsu> The depwait giver-back didn't know about ogre-model.
[06:24] <ScottK> Fujitsu: Then how did Postfix 2.4.5 get into Dapper-Backports?
[06:24] <Fujitsu> ScottK: I know a lot of builds were eternally stuck in a depwait, pending, rinse, repeat loop for that reason, so I don't see how.
[06:24]  * Fujitsu looks.
[06:27] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Looks like ogre-model sucked back then. THe build log says it was overriding for main, but shows it looking for main, restricted and univeres...
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Or somebody broke a backports special case.
[06:28] <ScottK> Fujitsu: I'd argue for the latter.
[06:28] <ScottK> Fujitsu: Segregating backports into two separate unsupported sections makes no sense at all.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> But then why wasn't multiverse included as well?
[06:29] <ScottK> That could cause legal problems.  Different deal.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> True, but then so could restricted.
[06:30] <ScottK> Not really.  Restricted is so small and carefully controlled.
[06:30] <ScottK> In theory it could, but not in practice.
[06:36] <ScottK> Fujitsu: From my perspective this sounds just like security uploads disappearing from -changes because it was a bug that they were ever there at all.
[06:38]  * ScottK ponders replying to the bitorrent thread on devel-discuss saying, "It's mono - reason enough to avoid it right there".
[06:41] <Fujitsu> ScottK: BBCode is also used in the email. I think that invalidates it.
[06:41] <ScottK> Fujitsu: I need a little more context for that.
[06:42] <Fujitsu> ScottK: The author of the original email uses [b]...[/b]
[06:43] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.  Agreed.
[06:43] <Fujitsu> Right. How the heck does bug #125103 affect Baltix!?
[06:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125103 in soyuz "ppa archives are not signed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125103
[06:44] <Fujitsu> It's bad enough getting `Also affects: baltix' emails on Ubuntu bugs.
[06:44] <ScottK> Fujitsu: All bugs affect baltix
[06:44] <ScottK> You should file a bug about that.
[06:44]  * ScottK doens't like it either.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> It's not a bug.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> It's just someone adding inappropriate bug tasks.
[06:44] <ScottK> Fujitsu: From my perspective it is.
[06:45] <ScottK> Even if it really is a bug in baltix, I still don't want the mail.
[06:45] <Fujitsu> It can't know what you're interested in.
[06:45] <ScottK> It can.
[06:45] <ScottK> It doesn't, but it can.
[06:45] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[06:46] <ScottK> For example, if a bug affect multiple packages and I'm a bug contact on one package, don't send me the mails that are clearly about the other package.
[06:46] <ScottK> These mass transition bugs just kill me.
[06:46]  * ScottK really needs to get to bed.
[06:46] <Fujitsu> On one hand I find them annoying, but I find some of the useful. Just not the baltix ones.
[06:47] <Fujitsu> Night.
[06:47] <ScottK> As I said on the other channel, I'm trying not to think of this kind of thing as Launchpad annoyances, but as incentive to work on NM.
[06:47] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[06:48] <ScottK> Not kidding.
[06:48] <ScottK> Good night.
[06:48] <Fujitsu> I'm aware.
[06:48] <ScottK> K.
[06:49] <ScottK> It seems to be a given that LP is wonderful and so by definition opinions to the contrary can be ignored.
[06:49] <ScottK> I was told (I think over the weekend) if I needed to give up my opinion that the pre-beta U/I was better than the current one if I wanted anyone to pay attention to my concerns.
[07:12]  * StevenK looks at RAOF. How do I translate a Gxx into a NVyy? :-)
[07:23] <RAOF> StevenK: Via a magic lookup table.
[07:23] <StevenK> RAOF: I figured that, but where is the magic table?
[07:24] <RAOF> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames
[07:24] <RAOF> I was just looking for it :/
[07:24] <RAOF> Although that's not authorititive, it turns out.
[07:25] <RAOF> Hm.  The Geforce 7s are also nv4x (for example, my 7600go is an nv4B)
[07:25] <StevenK> lspci reports my card as G71
[07:26] <RAOF> The nouveau DRI module and DDX driver will spit out the core name in dmesg & xorg.0.log respectively.
[07:27] <RAOF> This is unlikely to be terribly useful for you, though, and I don't know of any other lookup table.
[09:51] <siretart> could someone please do a testbuild on hardy for me? see #198118 for details
[09:51] <siretart> bug #198118
[09:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198118 in nxtvepg "nxtvepg won't start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198118
[10:15] <mok0> siretart: the sid version?
[10:15] <mok0> 2.7.6-1?
[10:16] <siretart> 2.7.6-2
[10:16] <siretart> is uptodate in sid
[10:20] <mok0> siretart: building...
[10:20] <mok0> done. Looking at lintian report
[10:21] <siretart> ok, please request a sync then. thanks!
[10:21] <mok0> Ah. hyphen-used-as-minus errors...
[10:21] <mok0> siretart: but it builds
[11:56] <siretart> mok0: would you please attach the buildlog to the bug?
[11:58] <mok0> siretart: sure
[11:59] <mok0> siretart: if I can figure out where cowbuilder put it...
[12:10] <slytherin> hi all, some of the activity packages related to sugar are not installable since python-abiword does not exist. What is the solution?
[12:13] <slytherin> Second question. gnash plugin is not working (not detected by FF) in hardy. Is anyone else facing the problem?
[12:14] <siretart> slytherin: did you check https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bugs?
[12:15] <\sh> slytherin: already installed flashplugin-nonfree? if so, change the /etc/alternatives link to the flashplugin
[12:15] <Iulian> Hi
[12:16] <slytherin> \sh: No. I don't have nonfree installed. Also it looks like the name of the alternative may be causing problem. for gnash it is firefox-flashplugin (missing .so)
[12:16] <slytherin> siretart: Yes I did that. Didn't found any bug so wanted to confirm if I am the only one facing problem
[12:17] <\sh> slytherin: I had a similiar problem with it during the last days...just ask asac about it...
[12:24] <slytherin> \sh: Found the problem
[12:25] <slytherin> \sh: There is no link in /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins to /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin. Not sure if this is gnash specific
[12:31] <RainCT> heya
[12:32] <\sh> slytherin: could be a bug in the packaging
[12:32] <slytherin> \sh: Looks like it is problem with gnash
[12:39] <Iulian> RainCT: Hey
[12:39] <soren> StevenK: Any particular reason why virtualbox-ose-modules uses a meta package rather than a virtual one?
[12:41] <StevenK> soren: Don't care, it wasn't me.
[12:45] <soren> StevenK: Oh, ok.
[12:48] <rulus> There is a new version of 'gnuvd' in Debian unstable, and it should go into Hardy too, because the current version just doesn't work (bug #180383). Should I follow the sync request process as described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess ?
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180383 in gnuvd "Van Dale website code changed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180383
[12:49] <slytherin> rulus: First make sure the version in Debian works in Ubuntu. And you will probably need FFE
[12:52] <rulus> slytherin: I'll check that first, but it should work. So I follow the SyncRequestProcess and the FreezeExceptionProcess?
[12:52] <slytherin> rulus: yes. a bug with subject - [FFE] Please sync <package> <version> from Debian <unstable>
[12:53] <rulus> slytherin: ok, thanks, I'll do that later today; must go now :)
[12:56] <ScottK> rulus: If it's a bugfix only sync then all you need to do from an FFe perspective is add the new upstream changelog entries to the bug.  If it's got new features, it needs an FFe.
[13:02] <\sh> THX for the permanent FFe for wine :)
[13:04] <ScottK> \sh: You're welcome.  Now make it work... ;-)
[13:06] <\sh> ScottK: I'm on it :)
[13:06] <\sh> ScottK: wine is working on my box...compiled manually ;)
[13:07] <ScottK> Sounds like progress.
[13:07] <\sh> ScottK: well no...somehow the package gives us broken binaries :( I need to find out what's the cause for it
[13:08] <zul> because it starts with win? ;)
[13:08] <ScottK> Yeah well ...
[13:09] <ScottK> My personal pain is an RC release from clamav of a new major version.  I haven't dared to look and see if it needs a library transition or not.
[13:10] <\sh> if you want to know on what we are working: http://www.netviewer.tv/ live from cebit 2008, hannover germany..
[13:11] <\sh> sadly only in german :(
[13:21] <\sh> ScottK: ok...the only thing which is not done during manually build is dh_strip...removing this call from debian/rules and prove my guess
[13:31] <Hobbsee> debian bug #402549
[13:31] <ubotu> Debian bug 402549 in totem "why not totem-gstreamer and totem-xine installed at the same time?" [Wishlist,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/402549
[14:18] <jdstrand> emgent: re: 197077 feisty debdiff-- there is a lot of autoconf changes that should not be there
[14:19] <jdstrand> emgent: hi btw
[14:19] <jdstrand> emgent: don't bother fixing it-- as mentioned yesterday, I was already working on this and have my own changesets
[14:19] <jdstrand> emgent: this is just for future reference :)
[14:50] <Amaranth> i forget, what is the 1: part called in a version?
[14:50] <Amaranth> like 1:0.5.4-0ubuntu1
[14:50] <broonie> epoch
[14:50] <Amaranth> right
[15:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:06] <jdong> schierbeck: are you serious? I thought we "fixed" that a year ago
[15:06] <jdong> err... ScottK rather
[15:36] <ScottK> jdong: It's been 'fixed' again.
[15:36] <ScottK> jdong: See postfix 2.5.1 in depwait for Edgy and Dapper.
[15:36] <ScottK> jdong: Even after slangasek tried republishing the backports in Universe.
[15:38] <jdong> ScottK: go launchpad.
[15:39] <ScottK> jdong: Yeah.  I've made it a policy not to deal with filing LP bugs any more.  It's not good for my blood pressure.  All yours.
[15:51] <\sh> ScottK: bad luck...dh_strip is not the bugger
[15:52] <ScottK> You needed something to do with your free time anyway, right? ;-)
[15:52] <\sh> ScottK: I don't have free time ;)#
[15:52] <\sh> anymore ;)
[15:53] <ScottK> Right.  Of course.  You're married.
[15:54] <\sh> ScottK: well, not officially, but it's like I am ;)
[17:09] <rulus> Hey, I filed a new sync request (bug #198424). Is it ok to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[17:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198424 in ubuntu "Please sync gnuvd 1.0.5-1 from Debian unstable (contrib)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198424
[17:11] <RainCT> rulus: you'll need a FFe for it
[17:11] <RainCT> (unless 1.0.5 is a bugfix only release)
[17:12] <rulus> it is bugfix only
[17:13] <RainCT> rulus: ok, can you prepare a merge then, fixing the problem you mention?
[17:14] <rulus> I'll try, /me must read the merge documentation first :)
[17:17] <RainCT> rulus: just take the source from Debian and the changelog from Ubuntu, add the new changelog entries from Debian to Ubuntu's changelog and then replace Debian's with this one (to keep entries from Ubuntu) and then just do whatever changes you want (and add a new changelog entry explaining them)
[17:17] <RainCT> rulus: (and change the Maintainer field)
[17:18] <BUGabundo> hi there
[17:18] <BUGabundo> where can I find an HowTo for likewise and how to setup with an AD?
[17:18] <RainCT> Hi jono, BUGabundo
[17:19] <BUGabundo> hey RainCT
[17:19] <rulus> RainCT: thanks, I'll give it a shot :)
[17:27] <slangasek> ScottK: it may be that giving postfix back on the buildds now would be enough to get it to take
[17:29] <rulus> RainCT: done, now what to do?
[17:30] <RainCT> rulus: I'm not sure what the prefered format is (uploading the .diff.gz or what), but if you create a debdiff against the version in Debian I'll look at it :)
[17:30] <ScottK> slangasek: Is that something you can do or do I need to hunt someone down to try it?
[17:30] <HighNo> hi guys - if  I convert a bug to a sync request what should I put the asignee and status to?
[17:31] <RainCT> HighNo: assigne nobody, status new
[17:32] <rulus> RainCT: sure, debdiff it is, I'll let you know when I managed to create one ;)
[17:32] <RainCT> okay+
[17:33] <RainCT> s/+//
[17:33] <slangasek> ScottK: someone with a buildd had needs to do it - you could try lamont :)
[17:34] <slangasek> s/had/hat/
[17:34] <geser> slangasek: didn't lamont quit lp-buildd-admins?
[17:35] <HighNo> whoever wears buildd hads :-)
[17:35] <ScottK> geser: Sort of.  He did but he still has rights for someother reason.
[17:36] <geser> ScottK: he's a member of the duck
[17:40] <rulus> RainCT: http://zeus.ugent.be/~rulus/debdiff
[17:47] <RainCT> rulus: You've to list the most relevant upstream changes in debian/changelog (freeze policy)
[17:47] <RainCT> rulus: and please explain why the recode dependency can be removed
[17:48] <rulus> RainCT: ok, will do :)
[17:50] <RainCT> if there's any bzr-buildpackage user around, any idea why it doesn't uncompress upstream's tarball here (does it need to get an option or something in order to do this)?
[17:55] <rulus> RainCT: http://zeus.ugent.be/~rulus/debdiff2 :)
[17:55] <HighNo> RainCT: I have updated the patch for #197358 - I hope this one is ok. Should I change anything else on that bug like asignee...?
[18:01] <RainCT> HighNo: "malformed patch"
[18:01] <RainCT> edited it manually? :P
[18:04] <james_w> RainCT: hi, it's your lucky day :)
[18:04] <RainCT> james_w: :)
[18:05] <james_w> RainCT: when are you expecting it to uncompress?
[18:08] <RainCT> james_w: I've a directory (where the .bzr directory is) which just contains a debian/ directory, and in its parent directory I have the .orig.tar.gz inside tarballs/, and when I run "bzr-buildpackage" it copies the .orig.tar.gz inside the build directory and the debian/ directory too (inside a packagename-version dir), but it doesn't uncompress the tarball and debian/rules fails then because it doesn't find the files
[18:09] <james_w> RainCT: that is odd. It should uncompress, and then copy debian/ in.
[18:09] <james_w> RainCT: is this a public branch?
[18:09] <RainCT> james_w: yes, ~ubuntu-dev/screen-ruler/debian
[18:11] <james_w> RainCT: ah, add --merge
[18:15] <RainCT> james_w: works now, thanks :)
[18:16] <ScottK> \sh_away: Would you please look at the wine related debdiff in Bug #151982 and tell if you think we should do that?  I'm preparing a kdeguidance upload over the next few days.
[18:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151982 in kde-guidance "Wineconfig doesn't detect Wine" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151982
[18:17] <james_w> RainCT: please run "mkdir .bzr-builddeb; echo -e '[BUILDDEB]\nmerge = True' > .bzr-builddeb/default.conf"
[18:18] <james_w> RainCT: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/merge.html for more info.
[18:19] <HighNo> RainCT: ehm, yes I did
[18:20] <RainCT> heh
[18:20] <rulus> RainCT: updated debdiff http://zeus.ugent.be/~rulus/debdiff2 :)
[18:20] <RainCT> HighNo: I used to do the same, but try if it works before attaching it ;)
[18:57] <bobbo> RainCT; i made a debdiff for Bug #196204 that you reviewed 2 hours ago
[18:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196204 in gtablix "Doesn't have a .desktop file" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196204
[18:58]  * RainCT hides before he gets more review requests ;)
[18:59] <bobbo> hehe :)
[19:00]  * Iulian gives to RainCT a biiiig pie
[19:00] <Iulian> I hope you like pie *G*
[19:01] <RainCT> :D
[19:01]  * RainCT hugs Iulian
[19:01]  * Iulian hugs RainCT back
[19:01] <Iulian> I knew it ;)
[19:17] <RainCT> bobbo: if you bumb the standards version also move the homepage to the source stanza, and remove the .png from the icon please
[19:18] <bobbo> RainCT; is that all?
[19:22] <RainCT> bobbo: yes
[19:22] <bobbo> RainCT; thats a change :)
[19:22] <RainCT> heh
[19:27] <bobbo> RainCT; http://bobbo.mooo.com/~bobbo/gtablix_0.9.13-1-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[19:40] <bobbo> RainCT; theres another debdiff for you to look at :)
[19:41] <bobbo> RainCT; the original person on that bug has put in another debdiff with a more descriptive desktop file
[19:41] <bobbo> RainCT; but it doesnt have my latest fixes
[19:42] <bobbo> the only real change is "Comment=Generate highschool timetables using a GUI for Tablix."
[19:43] <HighNo> RainCT: it is now fixed. debdiff has really created a mess as I never touched those lines before...
[19:49] <rulus> RainCT: thanks for your support :)
[19:51] <RainCT> rulus: you're welcome :)
[20:01] <LaserJock> hellboy195: ping
[20:02] <hellboy195> LaserJock: yeah?
[20:02] <LaserJock> hellboy195: regarding openbabel merge, did you try it without disabling the checks?
[20:04] <hellboy195> LaserJock: it would be a sync then right?
[20:04] <LaserJock> yes, if we don't need to disable the checks
[20:04] <LaserJock> but that's what needs to be determined
[20:05] <LaserJock> it's always a good idea before doing a merge to see if we can sync :-)
[20:06] <hellboy195> LaserJock: hmm I'll check that. But I ask Jonathan Riddell about it and I not sure if debian changed there something
[20:07] <hellboy195> LaserJock: but if it's building in my pbuilder fine, can we be sure that's really working without disabling the checks?
[20:07] <LaserJock> hellboy195: I think that'd be a fairly reasonable assumption
[20:08] <LaserJock> hellboy195: my guess is that the first entry in the changelog is what Riddell was disabling the checks for
[20:10] <hellboy195> LaserJock: generelly a better documentation would be nice to avoid confuses and asking the previous uploader
[20:10] <LaserJock> hellboy195: what needs better documentation?
[20:11] <LaserJock> do you think Riddell's entry should have had more info?
[20:11] <hellboy195> LaserJock: I think my entry is a little bit better. because I had to ask him *why* he disabled it
[20:12]  * Fujitsu stabs scipy and numpy repeatedly for having braindead, hacked up distutils.
[20:12] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: sorry dude, it is kinda messy
[20:12] <hellboy195> LaserJock: but in generel. I did a lot merges with terrible documentation ..
[20:12] <LaserJock> hellboy195: well, he might not have known
[20:12] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: They both FTBFS now :(
[20:13] <LaserJock> hellboy195: I imagine if he'd known the real problem he might have patched it as Debian did rather than just turn off the checks
[20:13] <hellboy195> LaserJock: true. nvm sry. I'll check more carefully in future
[20:14] <LaserJock> it just saves you some effort if the thing can be synced :-)
[20:14] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: bah
[20:14] <hellboy195> LaserJock: I don't care ^^
[20:14] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: in the Hardy version or a proposed sync/merge?
[20:15] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Hardy version, and a proposed sync and merge.
[20:15] <LaserJock> uggg :(
[20:15] <Fujitsu> It built successfully a month ago.
[20:15] <Fujitsu> But failed in the archive rebuild a few days ago, and now.
[20:15] <LaserJock> hellboy195: if you see that the only Ubuntu change is to fix a FTBFS it's an easy check :-)
[20:16] <LaserJock> can be a fast sync
[20:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: darn
[20:16] <LaserJock> python changes?
[20:16] <Fujitsu> Seems to be LDFLAGS/CFLAGS pollution, but I can't see where.
[20:16] <hellboy195> LaserJock: hmm well I have to build a merge and I have to build a sync so I don't care. I'm happy to contribute to ubuntu and with a merge I have the feeling to do more (debdiff) than just request a sync ^^
[20:17] <LaserJock> hellboy195: well, it's much easier on sponsors if we don't have to figure out if it's a merge or a sync :-)
[20:18] <LaserJock> but yeah
[20:18] <hellboy195> LaserJock: yeah. I'm sry for you not for me ;)
[20:18] <LaserJock> it's more more experience for you
[20:18] <LaserJock> heh, yeah ;-)
[20:18] <hellboy195> LaserJock: more experience?
[20:18] <LaserJock> doing debdiffs, etc.
[20:18] <LaserJock> for a merge
[20:19] <LaserJock> a sync is fairly uneventful
[20:19] <LaserJock> although better for the archive
[20:19] <hellboy195> true
[20:19] <hellboy195> LaserJock: btw, sync! should I also test it in my PPA or is it enough that it builds in my pbuilder?
[20:20] <LaserJock> that it builds in your pbuilder
[20:20]  * LaserJock wonders what we ever did before PPAs :-)
[20:21] <zul> it was like the dark ages
[20:23] <hellboy195> LaserJock: I adjusted the bug report
[20:23] <LaserJock> hellboy195: and it did build fine in your pbuilder?
[20:23] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I strongly dislike how upstreams response to scipy/numpy's failures to build when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS are set is to unset CFLAGS and LDFLAGS...
[20:23] <hellboy195> LaserJock: yep
[20:24] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: kinda like "it doesn't happen if I don't see it"
[20:25] <LaserJock> hellboy195: I don't think you want to have to bug be "Confirmed" but "New", but I'll take care of it
[20:25] <hellboy195> argh
[20:25] <hellboy195> LaserJock: ones again. sry
[20:26] <LaserJock> np, it's hard to remember all the changes :-)
[20:27] <bobbo> RainCT; thanks for uploading that gtablix fix :)
[20:27] <RainCT> bobbo: you're welcome :)
[20:27] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It seems to build fine if I do it manually... must be dpkg-buildpackage doing things it doesn't like.
[20:28] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I've had experiences like that
[20:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I'll hopefully fix them up tonight and migrate them both to gfortran, but uni now...
[20:30] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, I gotta teach lab
[20:30] <RainCT> HighNo: uploading ;)  (next time remember to add LP: #xxx to the changelog)
[20:30] <LaserJock> Enthalpy of Formation of Ammonium Salts \o/!
[20:31]  * Fujitsu has 9 hours of classes.
[20:32] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: geeze
[20:32] <LaserJock> I'm glad I don't have those anymore
[20:32] <LaserJock> although I seem to consistently be up past midnight anyway
[20:33] <Fujitsu> I have a day off and only a few hours on the other days, fortunately.
[20:41] <HighNo> RainCT: ok, will do. Great that it works now. I hope to do some more fixes after tomorrow, I'm going to write an exam tomorrow and will have one or two days to be creative then...
[20:46] <HighNo> Does the archive have upload counters for different MOTUs? I guess RainCT will be leader of the day :-)
[20:56] <RainCT> heh
[21:17] <jcastro> jdong: do you run a ppa for the p2p team?
[21:25] <ScottK> mdomsch: I've got a monitors configuration question for you if you have a moment?
[21:25] <mdomsch> ScottK sure
[21:27] <ScottK> mdomsch: IIRC you maintain Dell inputs to a package that has a list of monitors.  I just ran across where Kubuntu gets that information from and it's (of course) different.  I was wondering if you'd be willing to have someone take a look at it and see if there's stuff that should be added for Dell products to be better supported by Kubuntu?
[21:28] <mdomsch> ScottK, sure.
[21:28] <mdomsch> I stick them in the hwdata package at fedorahosted.org
[21:28] <mdomsch> the two packages in Ubuntu that I know of that should pull that are
[21:29] <mdomsch> a) hwdata (which generally just pulls from Debian)
[21:29] <mdomsch> b) kde-guidance
[21:29] <mdomsch> what's yours?
[21:29] <ScottK> It's b
[21:29] <ScottK> So maybe it already gets done.
[21:29] <mdomsch> yeah, so, someone needs to update kde-guidance regularly
[21:29] <mdomsch> the upstream author wasn't too interested in switching it to just use the copy from hwdata
[21:29] <mdomsch> though I've been encouraging him in that direction
[21:29] <ScottK> Makes sense to me.
[21:30] <ScottK> For Hardy though it's probably to late.
[21:30] <mdomsch> I have a standing open bug to update kde-guidance's copy with a newer copy
[21:30] <mdomsch> oops meeting
[21:31] <ScottK> OK.  I'm planning on uploading a kde-guidance update after Alpha 6.  If you could get me an input, I could include it.
[21:31] <ScottK> mdomsch: ^^
[21:31] <mdomsch> superm1, ^^
[21:31] <mdomsch> :-)
[21:31] <mdomsch> gotta run
[22:27] <squentin> What chances do I have to get a feature freeze exception to upgrade my package (gmusicbrowser) ? The new version fix an important bug, a simple patch could fix it, but I'd prefer to upgrade it as it fixes a lot of small bugs and adds a few improvements.
[22:28] <RainCT> squentin: is it bugfix only?
[22:28] <squentin> no
[22:28] <squentin> but the changes are not that important
[22:28] <ScottK> Sounds like a reasonable one to ask for.  You need to submit a feature freeze exception request.
[22:29] <ScottK> wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[22:29] <RainCT> well, I'm off for today.. good night all
[22:29] <squentin> ok I'll do it thanks
[22:30] <emgent> heya people
[22:31] <emgent> blueyed, hey hey! :P
[22:48] <blueyed> hi emgent
[23:16] <bigon> should I even try to request a freeze exception? http://paste.debian.net/50504
[23:19] <bobbo> bigon; thats a big diff!
[23:24] <crimsun_> bigon: that's huge.  How many bugs does it fix, and how many of said bugs are fairly medium to crit priority?
[23:24] <crimsun_> bigon: (those are the criteria I used when on UVF)
[23:25] <crimsun_> sometimes you just have to bite the bullet, cough xserver-xgl some releases back
[23:26] <crimsun_> when it doubt, file one anyhow.  Worst case would be that it's ignored for 8.04.
[23:37] <bigon> crimsun_: I will open a freeze exception and hit upstream next time I see him :p


[00:26] <circinae> hi everyone
[00:35] <circinae> does ubuntu mobile works on HTC Magician?
[03:04] <persia> circinae, Which processor does the HTC Magician use?
[03:05] <circinae> it's Intel PXA272
[03:05] <circinae> 416MHz
[03:07] <persia> Ah, then no.  There are no ARM buildds on launchpad, so officially, Ubuntu doesn't work on ARM.
[03:08] <persia> You could try something from the rebuild project at mojo.handhelds.org, but I know the "ubuntu-mobile" package for 8.04 doesn't quite work right, so you might have to wait (or help with) the rebuild for 8.10 once it is released.
[03:10] <circinae> oh..
[03:10] <circinae> ok 10x )
[09:46] <smp4488> how would i go about skinning rhythumbox to embed it into mobile?
[13:53] <apachelogger> ahoy
[13:53] <persia> apachelogger, So, which HW do you have?
[13:53] <apachelogger> none, I am proposing mobile stuff for Jaunty at today's kubuntu meeting
[13:53] <apachelogger> the KDE desktopshell is getting a containment for MID with KDE 4.2 (i.e. what is shipped with jaunty)
[13:54] <persia> apachelogger, OK.  I'd recommend using the following naming scheme : kubuntu-mid if you base something off Qtopia (or it's decendants), and ubuntu-mobile if you just shrink Kubuntu and add some WM tweaks.
[13:54] <ogra> define MID :)
[13:54] <persia> As a long-time Qtopia user, I'd love to see a kubuntu-mid package based on Qtopia.
[13:54] <apachelogger> ogra: e.g. Nokia's N810
[13:55] <ogra> apachelogger, well, thats a device that might actually be acceptable for both :)
[13:55] <apachelogger> nifty :D
[13:55] <ogra> despite the fact that we dont support the architecture indeed
[13:56] <persia> Well, assuming LP grows some ARM buildds.  Until then, we're limited to the current architectures.
[13:56] <apachelogger> ncommander wanted to get that started, IIRC he even has access to Riddell's N810
[13:57] <persia> There are a few people working on ARM Ubuntu.  I think the largest cluster is at mojo.handhelds.org
[13:57]  * ogra has a n800 as well and has played with debian on it
[13:58] <ogra> resembling the current ubuntu-mobile desktop, its very usable beyond the fact that only 50% of the HW works
[13:58] <ogra> (no sound, no compsite support wlan only through the proprietary nokia driver etc)
[13:58] <ogra> (oh, and no power management at all)
[13:59] <ogra> but the ui works nicely on it
[13:59] <apachelogger> :)
[13:59] <ogra> and i imagine the mid ui would work as nicely
[14:00] <ogra> but we'll have to wait for the buildd infrastructure and kernel builds first before we can seriously start something
[14:00] <persia> Should do : the default UI for the n8x0 is hildon-based.
[14:00] <ogra> as long as thats not there you will only end up with something like mojo for the moment
[14:01] <persia> Or you can get intel-based devices to fiddle and test the UI.
[14:01] <ogra> right
[14:01] <ogra> which is what we do
[14:02] <persia> apachelogger, Oh.  And there's a typo in my naming : *k*ubuntu-mobile for just tweaking :)
[14:02]  * apachelogger was already wondering :P
[14:03] <persia> Sorry.  Just missed a key (it would be more convenient to have gnome be gubuntu sometimes)
[14:03] <persia> So for the KDE 4.2 "mobile" desktop shell, "kubuntu-mobile" would be the sensible meta-package, and match what ogra did to GNOME.
[14:04] <persia> "kubuntu-mid" would be something based on Qtopia or similar efforts.  Essentially looking at the problem from two sides : either shrink the standard desktop, or enhance the embedded solution.
[14:06] <apachelogger> sounds sensible
[14:07] <persia> apachelogger, So I'm guessing "kubuntu-mobile" is the likely first set of stuff?  Any idea if anyone would be working on "kubuntu-mid"?
[14:08] <apachelogger> persia: we have a meeting in #kubuntu-devel at 18 UTC, mobile/mid is going to be a topic
[14:09] <persia> I'm in UTC+9.  Not sure if I can make it, but I'll try.
[14:09]  * apachelogger thinks kubuntu-mobile should be pretty easy to do, since the desktop shell automagically changes it containments based on the resolution
[14:09] <apachelogger> so it is just a matter of refining the kubuntu defaults and selecting sensible default packages
[14:09] <persia> I've been dreaming of switching my Qtopia box to kubuntu-mid for years.
[14:10] <persia> For -mobile, it should be fairly easy.  The big difference in ubuntu-mobile vs. ubuntu-desktop is the use of devilspie to get full-screen windows.  I presume there's something equivalent for KDE?
[14:11] <apachelogger> I think we can actually archive this by setting one option in kwin
[14:12] <persia> That's even better.  I presume you can see that somehow with a kubuntu-mobile-default-settings package?
[14:12] <persia> s/see/seed/
[14:13] <apachelogger> yes, I guess we could even make kubuntu-mobile-default-settings inherit from kubuntu-default-settings
[14:13] <ogra> the thing with mobile is that you need to make sure the theme is finger usable
[14:13] <ogra> thats the main work i have done beyond changing the panel layout
[14:14] <persia> Yeah, but that's just a matter of adjusting the theme, which should also be easy.
[14:14] <ogra> well, i dont know how that kde shell thingie works
[14:14] <persia> Be nice to have Kubuntu available for all the various little stuff out there.
[14:14] <ogra> i.e. if you have 60% of your screen scattered with scrollbars that wont be any fun
[14:15] <ogra> i saw kde adding scrollbars for every element in the past if it didnt fit
[14:15] <ogra> so you end up with a scrollbar onion ;)
[14:15] <ogra> and a little app dot in the middle
[14:15] <apachelogger> I think there are people who would like that as well ;-)
[14:16] <ogra> such stuff needs to be workable
[14:16] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:16] <persia> There are, but surely we can set some sensible defaults.  My Zaurus (Qtopia) only adds scrollbars where it's useful.
[14:16] <apachelogger> but since all the KDE hackers got n810 devices I guess that is not going to be much of a problem ;-)
[14:16] <apachelogger> well, s/all/a lot/g
[14:17] <persia> I still think something Qtopia based is better for the n810, but that's probably just because I'm so used to it.
[14:34] <apachelogger> ogra, persia: mockup of a proposed containment http://www.notmart.org/misc/plasma-mid.png the lead plasma developer is currently not around, so I don't know if that is the actual targeted result
[14:36] <persia> apachelogger, That looks lovely.  I want to try it now.
[14:36] <persia> I'm still partial to Qtopia, but some of my newer HW doesn't really need that light a footprint, and would be more impressive with soemthing like that.
[14:37] <apachelogger> well, Qt 4.5 (due in februrary IIRC) will have a lighter foortprint as well ;-)
[14:38] <apachelogger> partially because of the plasma-mid stuff
[14:40] <persia> Will that also make Kubuntu Desktop lighter and faster?
[14:42] <apachelogger> yes
[14:43] <persia> Cool!
[14:43] <apachelogger> I have been told plasma in KDE trunk is already a lot faster than in KDE 4.1.2
[14:43] <apachelogger> ...without Qt 4.5...
[14:45] <persia> That's excellent news.  My Qtopia box is 400MHz, 64MB RAM, 4G disk.  For early versions of KDE, that would be fine for the entire desktop, but not in the interim.  Getting back towards something smaller is a wonderful thing.
[15:37] <crevette> hello there
[15:37] <crevette> hey persia
[15:38] <persia> hey crevette
[16:00] <emgent> hello
[16:00] <persia> hey emgent
[16:01] <emgent> heya persia :)
[16:01] <persia> emgent, Did you happen to try Ubuntu Mobile on your flybook?
[16:02] <emgent> will do :)
[16:02] <persia> emgent, Well, only if you want :)
[16:03] <emgent> of course! this week i will try to test it :)
[16:03] <emgent> check your mail in monday
[16:04] <persia> Or just comment here.
[16:04] <emgent> okkay
[16:04] <persia> (unless I'm expecting something else in my mail)
[16:05] <lool> Is there a bug on the installability issues of lpia kernels?
[16:05] <StevenK> The kernel itself can be installed
[16:05] <StevenK> The headers can't
[16:05]  * emgent reading UM docs
[16:06] <persia> The makes the package set an issue, and probably breaks image builds.
[16:06] <emgent> ah nice.
[16:08] <StevenK> I suspect the installer is only fatality, currently
[16:11] <persia> Probably, but I get bothered by that :p
[16:12] <LjL> persia, uhm you're a qtopia user? i used OPIE a long time ago, and i'd still like using it... but last time i checked, it was such a mess, with no Debian packages of it in the repositories anymore, and legal disputes that wouldn't even let me know what site i should look at. do you know of a reasonably easy way to get an OPIE or Qtopia system running on i386?
[16:12] <persia> LjL, Not offhand, but I understand that the licensing is getting easier for Qtopia (dunno about opie).
[16:12] <persia> LjL, The thing is to concentrate on the individual applications, rather than the collections.
[16:14] <ogra> as maemo does
[16:14] <ogra> they wont rebase ther desktop, but have the qtopia stack by default now, so qt devs can write apps as well
[16:15] <persia> Well, there's plenty of Qtopia projects out there, and lots of individual upstreams.  It's just a matter of someone wanting it enough to put it together.
[16:16] <persia> having appropriate form-factor hardware available that can run Ubuntu makes this an achievable project, whereas before it was mostly a waste of time.
[16:21] <LjL> dunno, i think there's plenty of old, low-resolution hardware that could benefit a lot from Qtopia or OPIE for users with no particularly great needs
[16:21] <LjL> i've installed Ubuntu on my mother's 800MHz with 128Mb, and it's honestly plain ridiculous
[16:22] <StevenK> I'd suggest Xubuntu for that use case
[16:22] <LjL> StevenK: i tend to disagree about that. it's not like the panel and desktop take up so much memory - i mean yes they do, but it's mostly just because of shared libraries that other programs will need *anyway*
[16:23] <LjL> so what use is Xubuntu unless you avoid using any GNOME or KDE programs on it like the plague
[16:23] <LjL> and if you avoid using them, you end up with an environment that's hardly suited for an average computer user
[16:24] <LjL> Qtopia/OPIE, on the other hand, was a relatively well-refined PDA-like environment with good, friendly (though often extremely simple) software available
[16:24] <LjL> at least it was like this last time i checked, which was years ago
[16:24] <persia> Hasn't changed that much.
[16:25] <LjL> what has changed is that there aren't Debian packages of it anymore
[16:25] <LjL> persia: also, the few screenshots i managed to find of current... OPIE? OPIE2? Qtopia? who knows with all this mess - looked very much geared to cellphones, contrary to what it used to be when PDA were the norm
[16:26] <persia> LjL, That's just what people are using for demo hardware, really.  No reason it shouldn't work for larger environments.
[16:27] <LjL> persia: no, but the interface really looked cellphone-like, with two soft-buttons on the bottom on the screen, things like that
[16:27] <LjL> of course that might all be very easily changeable, i just don't know since i couldn't manage to get anything installed
[16:28] <persia> It's pretty flexible.
[17:06] <crevette> bluetooth guy, obex-data-server 0.4 is out
[17:06] <crevette> guys
[17:07] <persia> crevette, intrepid is frozen.  Prepare it in a PPA, and we can push it to Jaunty in three or four weeks.
[17:07] <crevette> yeah
[17:08] <crevette> persia: API has changed, so no hurry
[17:08] <crevette> we need to wait that application have migrated
[17:09] <persia> Ah.  Yeah.  Of course, helping the applications migrate is probably a good thing, but I think there's plenty of bugs to hit in the next couple weeks before takling that.
[17:21] <NanoRobot> Hello, everyone. I spent some hours with trying to run video at via vx700 chip, but had no success. Can anybody try to help ?
[17:21] <persia> Which architecture?  Which flavour?
[17:21] <persia> Which video driver?
[17:25] <NanoRobot> persia: Hello) I've already talked to you several days ago ! SO, my device is UMPC it has a thuchscreen and LCD (1024x600).Proc: via c7,  Video(chipset): VX700. I had alredy installed UBUNTU-MOBILE on it with openChrom driver. Problem is : I can't run X on LCD.
[17:26] <NanoRobot> but X works ok on external monitor !
[17:27] <persia> That's exceedingly annoying, but unfortunately I don't have any good suggestions.  This is the oqo2?
[17:28] <NanoRobot> Don't know what is ogo2 .
[17:32] <persia> Oh, then that was someone eise with the c7 and openchrome :)
[17:32] <NanoRobot> Find oqo2 in google. No this is not oqo 2, but my device looks like oqo2 )
[17:32] <persia> Hardware is similar too, but I still don't know why the LCD doesn't work.
[17:33] <NanoRobot> i tried to install ubuntu , so it has the same problem.- "Unable to run X on LCD, Terminal works OK"
[17:35] <persia> Not surprising.  The differences between Ubuntu Mobile and Ubuntu Desktop are essentially cosmetic : nothing that would affect display support.
[17:36] <NanoRobot> I had also tried to install openSUSE 10.3 (with gnome 2.2)- and LCD works on it by default with 800x600 resolution. Maybe I should copy something like xorg.conf from there ?
[17:36] <persia> Intrepid doesn't generally use xorg.conf, but you could try that.
[17:38] <NanoRobot> Hello again ) Had connection problem )
[17:38] <persia> You didn't miss anything :)
[17:39] <NanoRobot> ok. Thank you !
[17:59]  * lool waves and goes for dinner, might or not might be back tonight
[19:00] <NanoRobot> Can somebody say me something about VESA framebuffer ? Thanks in advance !
[19:01] <persia> NanoRobot, It recently changed from uvesafb to vesafb, and shouldn't be required for most installs.
[19:08] <NanoRobot> I 've just install openSUSE 10.3 (on this version i can see something on my LCD , instead of black screen on ubuntu-mobile) and look at harware information. So, there are VESA framebuffer (VIA CX700) and Display (CX700 M2 UniChrome PRO 2 Graphics). On my ubuntu installation I can't find anything about VESA, should it be installed by default ?
[19:12] <persia> It should be available by default, I'm not sure if it's installed.  In the recently concluded release meeting, it was suggested that most people wouldn't have any reason to use it, although you might be one who does (I don't know).
[19:14] <NanoRobot> I think that i don't need it, but i am not able to swich it off , i have not got this option in bios and i down't know how to do it by other way.
[19:19] <NanoRobot> -I found other ways on wiki.ubuntu. Thank you :)
[19:21] <NanoRobot> If i disable it, should it help ubuntu to boot not in balck screen ?
[19:21] <persia> It might.  It depends on how the device handles multiple things drawing to the framebuffer, but I'm really not familiar with the hardware.
[19:23] <NanoRobot> Ok, I will try. Hardware.. But I had a lot of help from you. Thanks !
[23:04] <blahblahx> i installed the ubuntu mobile package in hardy, hoping it would give me an ubuntu session. instead, it just installed the packages. what can i do to get an ubuntu mobile session in my xubuntu install?
[23:08] <persia> blahblahx, The ubuntu mobile released in hardy was essentially a work-in-progress, and certainly isn't suitable for use.
[23:09] <persia> Your choices are basically to use the Ubuntu MID Hardy installer (which reformats the hard drive without prompt or notification), or use intrepid.
[23:10] <persia> For intrepid, I believe you can cross-grade to Ubuntu Mobile (haven't tested this), but you'd want to reinstall for Ubuntu MID (nice GUI installer).
[23:10] <persia> Mind you, intrepid is still in beta, so there are bugs.
[23:23] <blahblahx> persia: i know its in early stages, but theres no way to get an ubuntu mobile session on a main ubuntu machine?
[23:47] <NanoRobot> tried to disable VESA and to enable it, - had no success. Device keeps to load in balck screen. :(


 Sorry, @Valoriez good shout I didn't make that clear. I meant a post about how to enable flatpak, similar to the one for Xubuntu, that was mentioned above
[20:13] <valorie> cool
[21:08] <ahoneybun[m]> I will work on a blog post draft this weekend.
[21:10] <valorie> ty
[21:11] <valorie> btw how much snow etc do y'all have, ahoneybun[m]?
[21:11] <valorie> here it is COLD and sunny
 Sunny?!?
[21:12] <ahoneybun[m]> Not much really.
[21:12] <ahoneybun[m]> It's mostly melted at least in the small areas.
 It's 15°F here and we just got a few feet of snow over the course of the last few days
 Lucky
[21:14] <valorie> it's been about 24F at night, and 34 during the sunny days
[21:14] <valorie> we had zero snow but Seattle had a bit
[21:14] <valorie> Portland got slammed with almost a foot
[21:16] <valorie> stay safe @tsimonq2
[21:19] <ahoneybun[m]> I might leave the Telegram channels since I am using Matrix now and they have IRC bridges.
[21:21] <valorie> I never use tg anymore
[21:21] <valorie> except occasionally to ban some spammer


[04:16] <sunilrk> :)
[04:16] <sunilrk> Hi all
[04:24] <sunilrk> hi
[04:25] <mysteriousdarren> hi
[04:25] <sunilrk> hi darren
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> sunilrk, if you want to chat #ubuntu-offtopic usuualy is going with folks.
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[04:25] <sunilrk> How are you?
[04:25] <sunilrk> thank you wilee
[04:26] <wilee-nilee> no problem did not see you lonely. ;)
[04:26] <wilee-nilee> want to see you*
[04:26] <sunilrk> :)
[04:29] <SteveThing> good evening, looking for some help with ubuntu server and wifi settings, anyone got time to help?
[04:30] <sunilrk> yes steve
[04:30] <SteveThing> with a non-gui install, is there an easy way to configure and swap between two wifi profiles?
[04:33] <sunilrk> I don't know swapping of wifi profiles but know how to configure one profile in non-gui
[04:35] <SteveThing> hmm, well I guess starting there is a good idea.. i might be able to write a perl script to accomplish what I need
[04:37] <sunilrk> so do you want me to explain how to do that steve?
[04:37] <SteveThing> yes please, sorry
[04:38] <sunilrk> ok
[04:39] <sunilrk> turn on your wifi
[04:40] <SteveThing> it is on, and the installer allowed me to connect to my home wifi
[11:43] <lukjad> Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you have a suggestion for password manager. I'm trying to decide between LastPass an KeePass.
[11:55] <geirha> I used to use pwsafe, but that's discontinued. Now I use password gorilla, which works ok for me. Haven't really looked into others
[13:56] <sunilrk> yes black shirt i am from india.How do you know?
[19:20] <absentbird> I am having a driver problem. When I goto Nvidia-settings it says that X is not using an nvidia driver.
[19:33] <SteveThing> good morning,  can anyone suggest an easy to use CiscoWorks alternative for Ubuntu Server 12.04?
[20:00] <holstein> SteveThing: what are you trying to do? im not familiar with "ciscoworks" and its funcitnality
[20:01] <SteveThing> holstein: i'm looking for a network management server (NMS) for ubuntu for a lab enviroment.. i think I found what I was looking for though... thanx anyways
[20:01] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ is something i learned a lot from.. there are integrated tools and they run great live
[21:23] <E3D3>  As a exercise I want to make a script that shows a serie of changing PS1-prompts, but I (still) don't know how to show the changed prompt before the script finished.  Can anyone give me a clue ? #bash is to difficult for me.
[21:27] <SteveThing> pastebin your script?
[21:28] <E3D3> I don't have one with this part working. I can any script for the 'change prompt' part.
[21:30] <E3D3> *  I can send any script ...
[21:30] <SteveThing> i'm not a script guru, so all I can suggest is google
[21:30] <SteveThing> i'm sure you've looked though
[21:31] <E3D3> I tried with tput but then the special characters are missing. I already Google way to much
[21:32] <E3D3> I can change PS1, and show it but only after the script finish. I need to open another subshell for every new PS1 I want to show.
[22:15] <SteveThing> still stuck at install proccess for configuring java,,, anyone got time to help?
[22:18] <stlsaint> SteveThing: i am heading out but will be back in about hour or two if you are still around then
[22:18] <stlsaint> SteveThing: for food for though, what exactly is your issue?
[22:25] <SteveThing> here's the error: sudo /usr/share/opennms/bin/runjava -S /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0                "runjava: specified JRE "/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0" is not an appropriate JRE"
[22:27] <SteveThing> java -version:  "java version '1.7.0_07
[22:39] <SteveThing> ok, i tried installing java7 via a different ppa and i still get the same error :/  this is frustrating
[22:41] <SteveThing> oops, wrong channel


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[22:37] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue777 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue777 :D
[22:46] <krytarik> Bashing-om: 1.) Aren't the Kubuntu posts that are currently in Other Community News, on the Planet?  2.) Maybe the Gnome GSoC post should be promoted from Other News to Other Community News?
[22:51] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Looking ^  :D
[22:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: You sir are so correct on Kubuntu - will move -- // for GSoC there is no specific mention of ubuntu - move up anyway ?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pending ^ is to remove the "In Other News" section upon approval of the movement.
[23:23] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, we've in the past featured Mozilla in that section, and iirc in fact Gnome too.
[23:25] <krytarik> Seeing how Ubuntu proper is based rather closely on Gnome, I think news about how to advance the latter as a project might be worthwhile for Ubuntu users.
[23:27] <Bashing-om> krytarik: You the man - removing "In Other News" section :D
[23:36] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next ! for edits ?
[23:38] <krytarik> Bashing-om: The section is still listed in the issue summary though. :P
[23:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ouch - Me thought I also taken care and pulled that - too many things on the mind I reckon :D fixing !
[23:42] <Bashing-om> Next !!


[16:10] <m4v> I'm sorry, i'm going to make a rant about now #kubuntu-es only's founder, this is the only place i have to turn to
[16:10] <m4v> not many will probably known me here, but I'm one of the regular contributors in #kubuntu-es, for almost 2 years now.
[16:11] <m4v> In December last year, TiMiDo "welcomed to the team" and gave me op rights, not only that, he also made me a founder like him, I thought he was putting me in charge when he isn't around, since most of the time he isn't nowhere to be found, but it turns out, he didn't been know how to use chanvserv and gave me the wrong flags, and he never knew.
[16:11] <m4v> and so, after almost 6 months of trying my best for fulfill the role I thought he wanted me to do, he trashes me aside like it was nothing. He didn't even say anything to me, I suddenly found out yesterday I wasn't in #kubuntu-es access list when I tried to kb a troll
[16:12] <m4v> Now the best part is when I inquired him about it, he told me that his roommate changed the flags when he wasn't looking... can you believe it? and after that pathetic lie he told me he was sorry, and he gave me a few flags that aren't even enough for change the channel's topic, you won't stop contributing if you have less flags he said. I told him I was going to complain here, he just shrugged it off and said its his channel. spanish: http://paste.ubun
[16:12] <m4v> well then, I'm sick of it, #kubuntu-es is supposed to be a ubuntu channel, not timido's channel about ubuntu, I never used my status for push a decision, but that's only argument he ever uses. I want him to step out, nobody appointed him as the one in charge, when StR (TiMiDo's previous nick) registered the channel he abandoned it, and later other people used it, and when it became an official channel he hurried back to reclaim it.
[16:13] <m4v> jpds and LjL know how hard is to get a hold of him, he never knows what's going on in the channel and I don't want him to do whatever he wants without having any regard with the people that do all the hard work.
[16:13] <m4v> so that's all, I'm going to drop the sorry flags he gave me, I won't likely accept any until he steps out and stops treating ku-es as his toy
[16:45] <niko> m4v: ouch :)
[16:50] <marko-_-> m4v, i guess if he registered the channel and if he is the founder... he can do whatever he wants
[16:53] <m4v> marko-_-: I know, I was the founder for 6 months, I could have done the same, I didn't because I do respect my peers
[16:53] <marko-_-> i understand you m4v
[16:54] <marko-_-> it was the same with #ubuntu-slo thankfully we changed it to ubuntu-si and now it's different
[16:54] <marko-_-> the founder wanted to kick everyone because we didn't knew how to help him with his problem
[16:54] <m4v> but TiMiDo signed the CoC, kubuntu-es isn't any channel, it has a purpose
[16:54] <marko-_-> i mean... what the hell is wrong with people
[17:06] <m4v> TiMiDo just registered the channel, and it was just like when somebody picks the populars nick in a forum and never uses it, the people that were using #kubuntu-es when it became offical really had to look for him http://barrapunto.com/journal.pl?op=display&id=14842&uid=9828
[17:06] <m4v> "buscando a str" stands for "searching for str"
[17:09] <m4v> and is a Ubuntu Official channel isn't? I don't take the "he's the founder, he can do whatever he wants", I do expect that reply from #freenode, but not from here
[17:11] <ziroday> its probably something best taken up with the spanish loco
[17:12] <niko> m4v: we have an issue like that, not +f related but irc admin on -fr
[17:12] <niko> finaly guy quit the admin
[17:12] <niko> and now things are better
[17:12] <niko> we keep +f to _r1_ who is external to u-fr
[17:13] <niko> that give an external view, and permit to avoid hungry ops
[17:22] <Seeker`> ultimately comes down to the irc council
[17:36] <m4v> I was hoping to bring the issue to them, or to the spanish loco, but don't know how or who I should poke, #kubuntu-es isn't a loco channel, just spanish support, or that's how I understood
[18:37] <jpds> m4v: Please forward that speech to Riddell.
[18:45] <jpds> m4v: I have restored your admin access in the mean time.
[18:48] <m4v> jpds: I'll do that, thank you
[18:49] <marko-_-> r lang1 lang2
[18:49] <marko-_-> woops
[18:49] <marko-_-> sorry


[01:29] <anrebs> hey I have a problem with a pc of mine connecting to the internet. wifi is working fine and my laptop connects fine but since I updated the system to my pc the network stopped working. I've tried several methods and they don't work. I tried restarting network manager and connecting through eth0 but my pc doesn't have the option of going eth0.
[02:03] <chcknrub> God is waiting for all of us to return back to Him. After all, we are all like the prodigal son.
[02:43] <Chris_R1986> Hello.  I am having a problem with chromium in kde, and am really hoping i can get a hand with this because i have been trying for a few hours and google is no help
[02:44] <Chris_R1986> does anyone know or remember the way to make it so that the chrome web apps will show up as their own application in the taskbar, rather than just under chrome(ium)?  I think it had to do with adding or commenting out a line of text in some file somewhere, or something to that effect
[02:47] <LiveKD> can kubuntu install and boot under secure uefi boot?
[02:50] <LiveKD> or does it still need legacy bios?
[02:57] <valorie> either is fine
[02:59] <LiveKD> any configuration needed?
[03:00] <valorie> LiveKD: I've never had to do anything special
[03:01] <valorie> however, some folks have issues -- I"m not sure what the common thread is however
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:34] <kcroot_> hello
[14:35] <kcroot_> when plasma 5.9 arrived in landing ppa?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> kcroot_, ask in #kubuntu-devel
[15:14] <mas886> for some reason uninstalling libreoffice messed up everything and now, reinstalled, the gtk theme is not the system's one, neither the language or the icons used. Besides that the program works slower and things like the auto index won't work. any help?
[16:34] <user|1122> Can centrify AD be used in Kubuntu?
[16:35] <user|1122> Is it also possible to install apache2.4?
[16:41] <user|1122> Can centrify AD be used in Kubuntu?
[16:43] <user|1122> it supports Ubuntu; this is what I'm talking about https://www.centrify.com/why-centrify/centrify-identity-platform/
[16:44] <user|1122> basically it is an MS AD connector which allows Linux workstations to join active directory
[16:51] <troffasky> kubuntu is 99% ubuntu
[16:52] <user|1122> ah cool so it can work, thanks
[16:54] <troffasky> i have kubuntu branding on my laptop but installed it as ubuntu - at some point it became kubuntu as there are a few kubuntu- packages installed
[17:11] <Focar> buonasera a tutti
[17:11] <Focar> !list
[17:12] <Focar> OK thank you
[21:27] <ferociousmadman> Recently installed Kubuntu 16.10 and learning how to use that and do many other things, trying to learn how to code etc.
[21:27] <krise> how can i resize the widgets ? dont see that option kubuntu 16.10
[21:28] <ferociousmadman> You have to click and hold the icon for a bit then a small gray sidebar comes up
[21:28] <ferociousmadman> at the top of that there is a resize option and you have to select that then click and hold and move around the icon and it should resize.
[21:28] <ferociousmadman> It's a little... non-intuitive.
[21:29] <krise> thanks ferociousmadman
[21:30] <ferociousmadman> My pleasure krise.
[21:51] <user|87175> How can I add an application shortcut to the main applications menu? The application is in /opt
[21:51] <user|87175> It will need to be accessed by all users
[21:53] <ferociousmadman> Have you tried right clicking, add widget and looked for relevant application shortcuts there?
[21:53] <ferociousmadman> Not sure if that's helpful, but just curious.
[21:53] <user|87175> So centrify installed but it is not working as intended
[21:56] <ferociousmadman> I'll be honest, I'm a pretty new user myself, I recently re-installed Kubuntu after a long hiatus. So I'm not sure I can be very helpful. The forums can help point you in the right direction as well. I've had pretty good luck there.
[21:58] <acheronuk> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28583/how-do-i-add-a-system-wide-menu-item-to-the-applications-menu
[21:59] <user|87175> oh I was able to get the application shortcut done, thanks
[21:59] <user|87175> my issue now is getting centrify to work when I login as the AD user, I keep getting a duplicate user entry
[22:59] <pietje__> Greetings all
[22:59] <ferociousmadman> Hey
[22:59] <pietje__> Have a problem since the latesets update
[22:59] <pietje__> System hangs after loging in
[23:00] <pietje__> Both guii as well as ascii
[23:00] <ferociousmadman> Totally frozen?
[23:00] <pietje__> Yes
[23:00] <pietje__> No response from kb or mouse
[23:00] <ferociousmadman> That's odd... I haven't had any issues with mine freezing.
[23:01] <pietje__> Just did the update
[23:01] <pietje__> All seems ok untill I log in
[23:01] <ferociousmadman> and then it just freezes?
[23:01] <ferociousmadman> weird... hmm
[23:02] <pietje__> Yes
[23:03] <pietje__> I do get a trace printout, but there is nothing I can do with it as it is simply frozen
[23:03] <ferociousmadman> Do you have a dual boot setup?
[23:03] <ferociousmadman> or are you only using kubuntu 16.10
[23:03] <pietje__> I do have xubuntu as well
[23:04] <pietje__> But switching to a terminal session [ctrl][alt][f1] freezes as well
[23:05] <pietje__> But ONLY after login
[23:06] <ferociousmadman> found this on the forums...: "When you're in KDE, press ALT+F2 to bring up krunner, and type  "session". You may not even get to type it all when you should see  "Session Manager" as an option. Click on that to open the session  manager settings. In the last group of options, "On Login", set it to  "Start with an empty session". This will cause KDE to start up with a  "default" session, so we can find out if there's something ot
[23:06] <ferociousmadman> Failing that, try creating another user. You can call it "test" or  whatever you want, but create a new user account and log into it. It  will be a bit of a pain because you won't have ready access to any of  your regular user files, but if you can log in and out of the new user's  account without any trouble, it gives us a clue on where to look next  for the problem, narrows down the search." https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showt
[23:06] <pietje__> I might try to reboot from USB, mount the home drive and move everything out from the home dir
[23:06] <pietje__> I can't log in to create the other user
[23:06] <pietje__> I can't get to kde
[23:07] <ferociousmadman> gotcha
[23:08] <Snowhog> pietje__: Do you by chance, know how much space you still have available on the root partition?
[23:08] <pietje__> I will check Snowhog
[23:09] <pietje__> reverting to the previous kernel
[23:11] <pietje__> [escape] just brought the option
[23:11] <pietje__> I am in with the previous kernel
[23:12] <pietje__> boot partion has 91% free
[23:12] <pietje__> oops root partition
[23:12] <Snowhog> pietje__: Okay, not a space issue then.
[23:13] <pietje__> Seems a kernel issue
[23:13] <pietje__> Well switching to the previous kernel "fixed" the problem
[23:14] <pietje__> 4.4.0-62-generic
[23:14] <Snowhog> pietje__: What graphics card/GPU do you have?
[23:16] <Snowhog> Stepping away for a tad. Have to feed the cat.
[23:17] <pietje__> intel 3rd gen
[23:20] <pietje__> Is there an easy way to roll back the updates?
[23:20] <Snowhog> pietje__: "intel 3rd gen" doesn't tell us much. What does lspci | grep raphics tell you?
[23:21] <pietje__> Seems a standard line
[23:21] <pietje__> rev 09
[23:23] <pietje__> Intel corporation 3rd Gen Core procesor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[23:27] <Snowhog> pietje__: Okay. Better. Intel GPU's shouldn't be an issue with any kernel version.
[23:29] <pietje__> I do have an error in apport.log
[23:29] <pietje__> something about "disk sleep"?
[23:32] <MK> Hello everyone. I'm on Ubuntu but wanna try out Kubuntu; would installing the kubuntu-desktop package be all I need to do that? And just pick the KDE session at login?
[23:32] <troffasky> pretty much
[23:32] <pietje__> MK: Yes, that is all you need
[23:34] <ferociousmadman> yup
[23:35] <MK> Cool. Let's hope I like it as uninstalling those 600+ packages will probably be a bit less easy :P
[23:36] <pietje__> I have never tried that, I prefer kubuntu
[23:36] <MK> more than half my programs are KDE at this point so I figured I should probably give the desktop itself a try
[23:37] <pietje__> It's all personal preferences :)
[23:37] <troffasky> apt autoremove will easily get rid of them, once you've removed the main ones
[23:38] <pietje__> Seems my problem is with /run
[23:40] <pietje__> user id 1000:1000 may not write to /run/cgmanager
[23:42] <pietje__> Should I be asking this in another chanel?
[23:44] <Snowhog> pietje__: Just prior to your issue, were you by any chance editing root owned files using Dolphin launched using sudo?
[23:45] <pietje__> Snowhog: No I was not
[23:45] <pietje__> I am old school, I use vi (well vim)
[23:46] <pietje__> And no I had no root terminal open.
[23:49] <Snowhog> pietje__: "I am old school,..." These days, not so many of "us" around.
[23:49] <pietje__> Will try to join using the laptop where I have the issue
[23:50] <pietje__> Snowhog: There still are plenty...
[23:51] <pietje_> Ok, this will save me some typing
[23:58] <pietje__> Can't see anything obvious in the syslog
[23:58] <pietje__> Is this the best place to solve/report issues?


[13:15] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:55] <Cheri703> o/ thafreak
[19:40] <dzho> thafreak: oh, hi.  (better late than never)
[20:42] <Melon_Bread> (Kinda late as well) Good Morning/Afternoon


 Can I get a retweet from @kubuntu please? https://twitter.com/tsimonq2/status/936384810972516355
 @Sick_Rimmit @ahoneybun ^^^
 Thanks valorie :D
 @tsimonq2, done
 @acheronuk, Thanks!


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