[05:40] <mihir> Good Morning :)
[06:45] <AskUbuntu> HighLight Text line using python script in Gedit and LibreOffice without sing Plugins | http://askubuntu.com/q/444830
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[09:08] <nerochiaro> fginther: oSoMoN: om26er: does anyone know why when launching a click app with upstart-app-launch on the device i get this error in the log and the app doesn't start ? ** (process:2505): WARNING **: Unable to exec './gallery-app' in '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.gallery': Permission denied
[09:10] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, how do you launch it, exactly, and as which user?
[09:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Be Kind To Lawyers Day! :-D
[09:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: I launch "upstart-app-launch com.ubuntu.gallery_gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>9" as phablet
[09:32] <popey> nerochiaro: did you "sudo -u phablet -i" to become phablet?
[11:23] <AskUbuntu> Installation failed for API | http://askubuntu.com/q/444929
[11:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do you have a minute ? I really need some help with the whole click-buddy and phablet-test-run stack, i can't really get it to work, and i want to do things properly instead of just running tests directly by a shell in the device
[11:48] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I’m not a click expert by any means, there are people more experienced around here that surely can help you
[11:49] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, if you explain here what the problem is, that will help
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i just want to know what is the process you follow to build and test a branch
[11:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, given that I work on an app that’s not a click package, my process won’t help…
[11:50] <popey> nerochiaro: i can help perhaps...
[11:50] <nerochiaro> popey: oSoMoN: i am doing click-buddy --provision and then phablet-test-run app_name but it's not really working, the tests seem to be installed in the wrong place and when run they all fail
[11:50] <popey> right, you haven't done the prep steps
[11:51] <popey> I would 1) install the click, 2) phablet-config autopilot --dbus-probe enable, 3) phablet-click-test-setup --click $click_package  (e.g. phablet-click-test-setup --click com.ubuntu.music), 4) adb reboot, 5) phablet-test-run -v $test (e.g. phablet-test-run -v music_app)
[11:51] <popey> works for me
[11:51] <popey> lemme know if it doesn't for you
[11:51] <popey> after the test, clean up by "adb shell rm -rf /home/phablet/autopilot"
[11:52] <nerochiaro> popey: install the click seems to be done by click-buddy --provision, no ?
[11:52] <popey> maybe, I don't do that, but that should work
[11:55] <nerochiaro> popey: i'm testing it, thanks. is this documented anywehre ?
[12:02] <nerochiaro> popey: it's failing, and i'm getting this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7221277/ it looks like it's trying to run the old tests on the new click
[12:03] <nerochiaro> popey: coming from the old style non-click world this stuff is really baffling me
[12:03] <popey> nerochiaro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing
[12:12] <nerochiaro> popey: any info on how to build and deploy click apps ? that's probably the part that's not working for me
[12:12] <popey> i let jenkins build it usually
[12:12] <nerochiaro> popey: i was doing the same, but it's slow as hell
[12:13] <popey> well.. arm..
[12:13] <nerochiaro> popey: ok, but assuming i have the click already built, how do you properly install it and run it ?
[12:13] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: hey, I think the click-buddy --provision thing is currently broke if you aren't python3
[12:13] <popey> adb push foo.click /tmp
[12:13] <popey> adb shell sudo -u phablet pkcon install-local /tmp/foo.click
[12:14] <sergiusens> also, keep in mind everything will fail if you have the deb version installed
[12:14] <nerochiaro> popey: sergiusens: will this install the autopilot tests too ?
[12:14] <popey> no, thats step 3) above
[12:14] <popey> phablet-click-test-setup sets up the ap tests in /home/phablet/autopilot
[12:15] <nerochiaro> popey: and phablet-test-run will run them from there ?
[12:15] <popey> yes
[12:16] <nerochiaro> popey: ok, so i guess i need to figure out why it does not find some modules
[12:16] <popey> that I don't know.
[12:16] <popey> unless as sergiusens says, you have the deb installed too?
[12:17] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: I made a custom build job for gallery on jenkins; did bill tell you about it?
[12:17] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: no
[12:17] <sergiusens> with that you can phablet-click-test-setup and run easily
[12:17] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click-from-branch/
[12:18] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: is the click built from there any different from the click i would get if i ran click-buddy on the same branch locally ?
[12:19] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: only difference is the reference to get the tests so it's provisioned correctly
[12:19] <sergiusens> build should be the same
[12:19] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: how are you running click-buddy to build gallery?
[12:19] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: i don't understand what you mean with "the reference to get the tests"
[12:19] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: just click-buddy or click-buddy --provision
[12:20] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: on x86?
[12:20] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: yes
[12:20] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: that is your problem :-)
[12:20] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: thought it would cross compile since it generates com.ubuntu.gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>9_armhf.click
[12:21] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: click-buddy --arch armhf --framework 'forgot the name' --provision
[12:21] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: and by cross compile i mean use a chroot automagically
[12:21] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: the _armhf.click is purely configurational; not like building a deb
[12:23] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: any pointers to docs that explain what to pass to click chroot to get the right chroot ?
[12:23] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: not sure that exists, cjwatson or xnox would know; but they aren't on this channel
[12:27] <dpm> hi zbenjamin, I'm trying to run lp:reminders-app with Qt Creator. It builds fine, but after hitting Ctrl+R, the app won't launch and QtC tells me "Could not open desktop file for reading", although I can see the .desktop file in the build directory
[12:27] <dpm> running the app from QtC used to work, but I can't figure out why it no longer does. Any ideas?
[12:41] <zbenjamin> dpm: is the path in the manifest file pointing to the desktop file ?
[12:42] <zbenjamin> dpm: are you trying to run for the desktop target? or on the phone?
[12:43] <dpm> zbenjamin, I'm using the desktop target, let me have a look at the manifest...
[12:46] <iBelieve> dpm, ping
[12:47] <zbenjamin> dpm: hm maybe there is a problem in how i create the local runconfig
[12:47] <dpm> zbenjamin, it seems cmake is ignoring the click/manifest.json.in file and it instead creates its own manifest.json file on build
[12:47] <dpm> hey iBelieve
[12:48] <iBelieve> hi dpm, I saw on Google+ that you were the one who helped someone edit their App Showdown entry. I need mine updated to list another bug that's affecting my app
[12:48] <zbenjamin> dpm: no the manifest.json file in the project directory is from qtc, the problem is the core apps use that .in manifest file but our plugin has no support for that. Anyway the desktop file in the builddir should be the one to use i think
[12:50] <zbenjamin> dpm: ok forget the manifest, i'm looking for a desktop file that is named like the project
[12:50] <zbenjamin> dpm: on the local build i can not count on having a manifest
[12:52] <dpm> zbenjamin, ok. On the CMakeLists.txt file we've got "project(com.ubuntu.reminders C CXX)", and the desktop file in the build directory is called "com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders.desktop" Is the _reminders suffix getting QtC confused?
[12:52] <zbenjamin> yes it should be named com.ubuntu.reminders.desktop then
[12:53] <dpm> iBelieve, sure. Would you mind resubmitting your entry? You should then get a link that will allow you to edit it any time. Once you've done that, please ping me and I'll remove your original submission straight away
[12:53] <zbenjamin> dpm: i maybe could search for all desktop files and just use the first one i can find. But i don'T know if that is a better idea
[12:53] <dpm> zbenjamin, let me check where that suffix comes from first
[12:54] <t1mp> I just compiled gallery-app on my desktop. How do I execute the autopilot tests now?
[12:54] <dpm> sergiusens, do you happen to know why on .desktop files the name of the app needs to be appended to the file name? I.e. "com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders.desktop" vs. "com.ubuntu.reminders.desktop"
[13:01] <sergiusens> dpm: it's a future proof thing I did
[13:01] <sergiusens> dpm: the package can hold multiple apps; so naming the desktop file after the package name seemed wrong
[13:02] <sergiusens> dpm: so it was either to name it after the appname or packagename+appname
[13:02] <sergiusens> either is fine; but the appname shouldn't be the packagename
[13:04] <iBelieve> dpm, ok, will do. Thanks
[13:07] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: the desktop file name is specified in the manifest if that helps at all
[13:08] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: hm i did not use the manifest file for the desktop target because i wasn't sure if it will be there so i was searching for the desktop directly
[13:08] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: fwiw; we can eventually just move back to manifest.json (and skip the .in)
[13:09] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: if it's not there the app wouldn't work when installed; that said; it's not mandatory
[13:10] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: the problem i have here is that cmake is not really IDE friendly, i pretty much have to guess all that stuff that why its failing sometimes
[13:11] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: we need some sort of project structure agreement all core apps and templates should follow
[13:11] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: can't speak of ide friendly, but we can for sure move manifest.json.in to manifest.json if it helps
[13:12] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: yeah the QtC plugin wants the manifest.json file in the root directory of the project
[13:12] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: bring in the reqs :-) All we need from the manifest.json really is to append build time rules; which could be done through cmake in a different way too
[13:13] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: same applies to apparmor rules?
[13:13] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: yes
[13:14] <sergiusens> ok; we definitely need to create a set of requirements
[13:14] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: is sprint timeframe good? I guess we can tackle that there and work a lot faster
[13:15] <dpm> iBelieve, I'll be away for a few hours today, please e-mail me if I'm not responsive on IRC, and I'll take a look when I'm back
[13:18] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: the only problem i see with that is, people will start using the current templates if we change the requirements later they will run into problems. When is the trusty release?
[13:18] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: final freeze is in two days
[13:18] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: release is April 17th
[13:19] <iBelieve> dpm, ok, thank you
[13:19] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: ok then we are too late anyway right
[13:30] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: can we maybe create some sort of ClickProject module we can require when building click projects? So it sets variables in the CMakeCache.txt file i can depend on?
[13:31] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: would maybe make the whole thing more stable
[13:31] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: and it should fail if some variables are not set
[13:32] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: that could work; want to start a pad or google doc for this to add ideas?
[13:33] <zbenjamin> i can start a google doc
[13:34] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1yAEYHcjV8Su0z5it3M7QPe4c1KuWkZBHBBDMSxuudmc/edit?usp=sharing
[13:34]  * sergiusens starred the doc
[13:35] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: feel free to add stuff
[13:36] <sergiusens> sure thing
[13:39] <iBelieve> dpm, are you still around?
[13:42] <dpm> iBelieve, about to go, but feel free to ask, happy to help if I can
[13:43] <iBelieve> dpm, so I went to the submission link and my existing form showed up, not a new one. Is that correct and  is my entry correctly updated?
[13:44] <dpm> iBelieve, ah, cool, then you already have the editable link, and you should be good to go. Let me check. Which field should I look for that has changed?
[13:44] <iBelieve> dpm, in the bugs section there should now be two bugs
[13:45] <iBelieve> dpm, and the link was the link from developer.ubuntu.com/showdown, not one I had previously saved
[13:46] <iBelieve> dpm, do you need the name of my app?
[13:46] <dpm> iBelieve, I know all the names of awesome apps ;)
[13:47] <dpm> iBelieve, I see the fields updated in the response, you should be good to go
[13:47] <iBelieve> dpm, cool, thanks for your help
[13:47] <dpm> np, ok, I need to run, will be back later
[13:48] <mzanetti> dpm-afk: let me know when you're back
[14:08] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: i was just wondering if we should require a manifest.json in the project root and if one exists we create for every desktop file in that manifest a own runconfiguration
[14:08] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: but that would mean all core apps need to do that as well
[14:41] <AskUbuntu> Finding Mouse click position in IconView in GTK | http://askubuntu.com/q/445002
[15:51] <popey> renato: could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1300210 - i filed against calendar but looks like it might be eds?
[15:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300210 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Google calendar events with video don't show link in event" [Undecided,Triaged]
[17:02] <rhuddie> artmello_ hi, I have requested you to review a new emulator method and test for the gallery-app: https://code.launchpad.net/~rhuddie/gallery-app/photo_selector/+merge/208761
[17:02] <artmello_> rhuddie: ok, I will take a look soon
[17:02] <rhuddie> artmello_ it is quite small, so hopefully it shouldn't take you long :)
[17:02] <rhuddie> artmello_ thanks
[17:03] <artmello_> rhuddie: ok, thx =)
[17:37] <labsin> hi all, Anyone knows if I can do 'make DEBUG=true' in packaging in QtCreator (Or how do I do the same in the terminal). Cause it gives me "/usr/bin/protoc: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")" and I don't know why
[17:47] <labsin> And why is it building everything again when I do "Build in chroot"?
[18:05] <labsin> Found it. Needed to install the amd64 version of protobuf. Still anoying that it build everything every time.
[18:59] <dpm> mzanetti, I'm now back, if you're still online
[19:13] <qtros> Hello! Can I talk with someone from SDK team?
[19:29] <dpm> qtros, I think they are probably all finished work
[19:29] <dpm> *have
[19:30] <qtros> dpm hello David!
[19:30] <dpm> hey, how are you doing?, long time no speak :)
[19:31] <qtros> dpm yep :) I am ok, awaiting some changes in SDK to use them in Shorts :) Also participating in Showdown with "TwimGo" Twitter client
[19:31] <dpm> nice!
[19:32] <qtros> dpm today I found that if I'll use id "window" in my app it will cause conflict with SDK's variable's name
[19:33] <qtros> dpm app still works fine, but user will see error in output, like 'file:///usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/OrientationHelper.qml:125: Error: Cannot assign to non-existent property "contentOrientation"'
[19:34] <dpm> qtros, can you work around it? It might be worth trying to ping someone from the SDK team earlier in the day tomorrow, or if you can't join IRC at that time, perhaps mention it on the ubuntu-phone mailing list
[19:35] <qtros> dpm I'll try to ping them tomorrow)
[19:37] <dpm> ok, cool
[19:38] <qtros> dpm it isn't serious bug (or even isn't bug), but was confusing even me)
[19:39] <dpm> qtros, ok. It might be worth filing a bug, to avoid others get confused too
[19:41] <qtros> dpm no no, let me notify them personally, we will discuss possible solutions :)
[19:41] <dpm> ok, sounds good
[19:45] <zonovroman> dpn, can you help me with internationalization of my app? I want to let users to translate my app, but I don't know how to do it.
[19:50] <dpm> hi zonovroman
[19:51] <dpm> zonovroman, can you point me to the code of your app? Is it in Launchpad, or github, or somewhere else?
[19:51] <zonovroman> It is on Launchpad, one minute, please...
[19:52] <zonovroman> https://launchpad.net/zbird
[19:54] <dpm> zonovroman, ok, so the first thing you need is something to extract translatable strings from the QML files, put them in a .pot file and commit that .pot file under the po folder
[19:55] <zonovroman> dpm, manually?
[19:55] <dpm> no, with a script
[19:56] <Kaleo> qtros, yes "window" should be documented
[19:56] <Kaleo> qtros, that's a bug
[19:56] <dpm> zonovroman, before doing that, I'd recommend setting up the default project branch in Launchpad, so that people can download your project with "bzr branch lp:zbird"
[19:57] <qtros> Kaleo or it should be named like "__window"
[19:58] <Kaleo> qtros, no, it's a public API afaik
[19:58] <dpm> zonovroman, also, you can remove all the *.user files from bzr, they should not be kept under revision control
[19:58] <qtros> Kaleo oh, sorry, I didn't use it :)
[19:58] <qtros> Kaleo but it's not mistake, this behavior caused by QML's nature
[19:59] <zonovroman> dpm, I'm noob in Launchpad and in those services in all, why I have so many errors.
[19:59] <dpm> zonovroman, no worries, I'm just mentioning it in case it can help you
[20:00] <zonovroman> dpm, your advices are very helpful. Thank you.
[20:01] <qtros> Kaleo I will not fill bug or something like that since you was notified, ok? :)
[20:03] <Kaleo> qtros, ok:)
[20:08] <dpm> zonovroman, I hope this helps you get started with extracting translations: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7223334/
[20:08] <zonovroman> dpm, I don't know why, but I can't push my changes in the main branch. Bazaar tells me: bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "+branch/zbird/": : Cannot create linked branch at 'zbird'.
[20:09] <dpm> zonovroman, can you show me which command you are using to push?
[20:09] <zonovroman> dpm, bzr push lp:zbird
[20:10] <qtros> kaleo dpm have a good night! :)
[20:10] <Kaleo> qtros, thanks, you too
[20:10] <dpm> qtros, you too!
[20:12] <dpm> zonovroman, can you try: "bzr push lp:~roman2861/zbird/trunk" ?
[20:15] <zonovroman> dpm, it works.
[20:18] <dpm> zonovroman, ok cool, can you now go to http://launchpad.net/zbird and click on the "Configure code hosting" link on the right?
[20:20] <zonovroman> dpm, i can't find it.  There is no "Configure code hosting" link, only bug tracker.
[20:20] <dpm> sorry, I meant "Configure project branch"
[20:21] <zonovroman> dpm, funny - there is no "Configure project branch" link too.
[20:22] <dpm> zonovroman, it should be under "Configuration options" or alternatively you can go to the direct link: https://launchpad.net/zbird/trunk/+setbranch
[20:22] <zonovroman> dpm, more funny - I have no access to it.
[20:23] <dpm> ?
[20:23] <dpm> are you logged in?
[20:23] <zonovroman> Yes...OMG. I understood.
[20:24] <zonovroman> Some months ago I did a "zTeam" team on Launchpad, and set zTeam as developers. But...I send all my projects to team with similar name, but not mine.
[20:28] <zonovroman> dpm, and now I can't delete fake "zTeam" from my projects.
[20:28] <zonovroman> dpm, "Permission launchpad.Edit required on <security proxied lp.registry.model.product.Product instance at 0x2b6ed7d20f90>."
[20:37] <zonovroman> dpm, sorry, I have some problems with internet. Did you write me earlier?
[20:40] <dpm> zonovroman, I didn't, but I'm a bit puzzled by you not being able to access https://launchpad.net/zbird/trunk/+setbranch - regardless of the issues with the team, I think you should be able to access it
[20:41] <zonovroman> dpm, I am trying to get access by change maintainer, but it is not possible.
[20:42] <dpm> zonovroman, can you ask on the #launchpad channel? Perhaps someone can help you in there
[20:43] <zonovroman> dpm, will you stay here?
[20:44] <dpm> zonovroman, I usually I'm in this channel, yes. Although today I will be leaving soon. In any case, you can find me here tomorrow morning again
[21:09] <zonovroman> dpm, where I can read IRC history?
[21:11] <dpm> either your irc client might have local logs, or on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[21:14] <zonovroman> dpm, thank you. I'll do it tomorrow. Last question: if I won't change maintainter, my app will be kicked from contest?
[21:15] <dpm> zonovroman, not at all, why should your app be kicked from the contest?
[21:15] <zonovroman> dpm, I don't know, but it is very important to ask)
[21:16] <zonovroman> dpm, good night!
[21:16] <dpm> zonovroman, don't worry, your app will not be disqualified for that, and good night! :)
[21:21] <nik90> daker: Do you happen to know why Green Mahjong, a html app created for the App Showdown is having some scaling issues? http://imgur.com/pVJZz1D
[21:21] <nik90> daker: I noticed that you are the HTML guy :)
[21:21] <daker> nik90: that's a known issue
[21:22] <daker> bug 1303050
[21:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303050 in Ubuntu HTML5 UI SDK "viewport html5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303050
[21:22] <daker> a qtwebkit bug
[21:22] <nik90> daker: is there a fix coming anytime soon? It makes using the app literally impossible. Hence I cannot review it as a showdown judge.
[21:23] <daker> you can test it in the browser-app
[21:23] <daker> http://daniel-beck.org/greenmahjong-small/
[21:23] <nik90> ah ok
[21:23] <daker> the html5-app-launcher needs to switch to oxide
[21:24] <daker> the browser-app is already using oxide
[21:24] <nik90> ok
[21:40] <daker> nik90: it works ?
[21:40] <nik90> daker: I tried it on my desktop browser..trying now on the UT.
[21:40]  * nik90 is annoyed by the constant unity 8 freezes in the recent proposed images.
[21:43] <nik90> daker: that works..thnx..I have noted it down in workaround document
[21:43] <daker> ok


[00:09] <crimsun> i interrupted a `bzr push', and a subsequent `bzr push' informs me that i should use `bzr break-lock lp-45201360:///~crimsun/pulseaudio/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock'. when i use that command, i receive, ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-45201360:///~crimsun/pulseaudio/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock". any hints?
[00:10] <crimsun> (i am using bzr 1.17+4597+121 on current karmic)
[00:12] <wgrant> crimsun: Drop the -45201360
[00:12] <wgrant> Known bug.
[00:13] <crimsun> wgrant: thanks
[00:48] <maxb> loggerhead appears fairly dead, is there someone who can kick it?
[00:48] <spm> maxb: "Launchpad Code Hosting over HTTP is currently experiencing issues" please be gentle with it atm :-)
[00:49] <wgrant> It resprung its memory leak, I hear :(
[00:50] <spm> somewhat. not anywhere near as bad as previously.
[00:51] <spm> maxb: have kicked; seems happier.
[00:51] <maxb> much happier. quite snappy, in fact
[01:21] <micahg> Does the LP team choose what to work on based on how many people select affects me too?
[01:21] <thumper> micahg: sometimes
[01:22] <micahg> ok, like bug 406454, should I bother trying get people to flag affects me too?
[01:50] <kklimonda> hey, anyone here who could answer me a simple and probably banal question? :)
[01:51] <kklimonda> I was wondering why are packaging branches linked to bugs they are related to.
[01:56] <arand> There seems to be spam on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+question/67128 (hope this is the right place to report)
[01:58] <hggdh> and, it seems, on all questions touched by the person. But they are all oldish entries (most recent from 2009-04
[02:01] <lifeless> kklimonda: so that you can find the branch with the fix to merge it, and see what fixes are in a given branch
[02:01] <lifeless> kklimonda: or do you mean the main package branch for a distro-sourcepackage? thats probably a bug
[02:04] <kklimonda> lifeless: I don't know what main package branch is (~ubuntu-branches/ ?) but it's not that.
[02:04] <kklimonda> i think.. ;)
[02:04] <kklimonda> lifeless: for example when I prepare a merge or update of some package and do debcommit to commit changes to my branch, then bzr push to LP this branch is going to be linked to all bugs it closes.
[02:05] <kklimonda> It would be fine but if in my branch I keep only a debian/ subdir there are no actual fixes in it - only "metadata"..
[02:05] <kklimonda> I probably just don't get a concept
[02:10] <arand> assume -h.  Exit status is 0 if any line was selected, 1 otherwise;
[02:10] <arand> if any error occurs and -q was not given, the exit status is 2.
[02:10] <arand> sorry about that, -ignore.
[02:12] <lifeless> kklimonda: the concept with package branches is that they are good to build; so they aren't just the debian subdir
[02:14] <wgrant> I believe the distro team has stated that they don't like the idea of having debian/-only branches in the package branch namespace.
[06:39] <merma> how can I join project team? I can't seem to find the option anywhere
[06:40] <thumper> merma: you need to go to the team page
[06:40] <thumper> merma: there should be a link there to join the team
[06:41] <merma> thumper, in launchpad's Overview?
[06:43] <thumper> merma: which team are you looking to join?
[06:44] <merma> nvm I found it, thanks
[06:44] <thumper> ok
[06:50] <wgrant> win 3
[06:50] <wgrant> Blah.
[08:20] <Omega_> I'm getting "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: ..." when trying to upload code to my branch...
[08:21] <Omega_> I'm somewhat new to bazaar and launchpad...
[08:21] <spiv> Omega_: what command are you trying?
[08:22] <Omega_> bzr push
[08:22] <Omega_> I'll gladly take any guidance.  I'm trying to upload a project I'm working on
[08:22] <spiv> Omega_: is that the full command line you're typing?
[08:23] <Omega_> Nono, here: "bzr push lp:porm"
[08:23] <Omega_> Hopefully your chat client doesn't render that as an emoticon!
[08:23] <spiv> No, it doesn't :)
[08:24] <Omega_> Anyway, I'm under the impression that the code has to be associated to ME before I can associate it to my project?
[08:24] <spiv> Can you pastebin the full error message?
[08:24] <Omega_> It's short:
[08:25] <Omega_> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/MYUSERNAME/Source/porm/".
[08:25] <spiv> Oh!
[08:25] <spiv> Right, you need a branch to push before "bzr push" can work.
[08:25] <Omega_> I suspect that I'm not locally managing any bzr project???
[08:25] <Omega_> Or branch
[08:25] <Omega_> and so the whole construct is just not there.
[08:26] <Omega_> Again, literally jumping into this head first.  I want to get my code out there.
[08:26] <Omega_> So I'm expecting some bumps.
[08:26] <spiv> That's right.  See http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html#putting-files-under-version-control
[08:28] <Omega_> fantastic
[08:28] <Omega_> Wow, this is going to get easier the more I use it I think.
[08:28] <Omega_> Are there any nautilus-based UIs in the repos?
[08:30] <Omega_> So now, how do I go about working from this rather than files on my HDD?
[08:30] <spiv> The bzr-gtk has a nautilus plugin, but I'm not sure if it gets installed by default (or if the performance bugs it had have been fixed).
[08:31] <spiv> "The bzr-gtk *plugin* ..." I meant to say.
[08:31] <spiv> What's "this"?  The branch on Launchpad?
[08:32] <Omega_> Well, my code.
[08:32] <Omega_> I'm just trying to get my workflow back together here now.
[08:32] <spiv> Ok.
[08:33] <spiv> The usual way of working is that you edit the files in your local branch, and "bzr commit" them from time to time.  To publish those commits, you use "bzr push".
[08:34] <spiv> (You can also reconfigure your local branch to be a direct checkout of the remote branch you push to, so that commits will be automatically made to the remote branch.)
[08:37] <Omega_> Yeah, I think I might want to do that.
[08:37] <Omega_> Really, I want the code on launchpad, and I just want to check it in and out of there.
[08:38] <Omega_> The local stuff is just what I'll be working on and checking back in.
[08:39] <spiv> Omega_: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#using-checkouts may help
[08:40] <Omega_> perfect, thanks :)
[08:42] <micahg> are tags broken in LP edge?
[08:43] <spiv> micahg: bug tags?  They seem to be working ok for me.
[08:43] <micahg> I can't search with +tag
[08:47] <micahg> seems to be broken in regular LP also
[08:47] <micahg> wasn't the new feature +tag in the search box?
[09:17] <wgrant> micahg: -tag. + is implicit.
[09:33] <mrevell> Hi, my name's mrevell and I'll be your CHR today
[09:33] <mrevell> :)
[09:35] <bigjools> mrevell: when was the last time you CHR-ed... :)
[09:36] <mrevell> bigjools: Whenever Muharem's day was, last week I think
[09:36] <bigjools> mrevell: sorry I thought this was an AA meeting spoof
[09:36] <al-maisan> mrevell: the 6th of every month
[09:37] <mrevell> haha, sorry didn't spot that, hah
[09:37] <mrevell> :)
[09:37] <mrevell> al-maisan: Ah yes, that's it
[10:50] <Imperion> question: why are only *my* revisions showing in the history of this branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~catom-developers/catom/main
[10:51] <Imperion> something is terribly wrong here
[10:52] <Imperion> I'm pretty sure my friend did a commit or two...
[10:57] <jtv> mrevell: ^^^
[10:57] <jtv> Imperion: did your friend also push those changes?
[10:58] <Imperion> jtv: yes
[10:58] <Imperion> they were there yesterday
[10:58] <jtv> Imperion: (calling mrevell in because he's today's help contact, see the topic)
[10:58] <Imperion> could something have corrupted the commit history?
[10:59] <jtv> Hard to imagine, given how reliable bzr normally is
[11:00] <jtv> did your friend's push go to the right branch?
[11:00] <Imperion> I'm 100% sure that he pushed something two days ago
[11:00] <jtv> There's also a chance that somehow the fact that the branch was updated got lost somehow...  May be worth for him to commit something (there's a commit option to let you do an empty commit) and push again.
[11:01] <jtv> There are several delays in the loop before the changes become visible, but definitely shouldn't take days.
[11:01] <mrevell> jtv: Sorry, was afk for ten mins
[11:01] <Imperion> between revs 4 and 5, and 5 and 6 there were two pushes
[11:01] <Imperion> which are gone now
[11:01] <jtv> mrevell: isn't that always the way?  :)
[11:01] <mrevell> :)
[11:01] <jtv> Do you happen to know whether those changes ever showed up on this page?
[11:02] <Imperion> I'm 100% certain
[11:02] <Imperion> could it have anything to do with a particularly long wait after I forgot to commit, and bzr push reported the branches had diverged?
[11:03] <jtv> if it says the branches have diverged, that means that the push doesn't happen.
[11:03] <Imperion> I know
[11:03] <jtv> But I thought it was pull that said that, not push
[11:03] <Imperion> but after that it took about half an hour before I could do a real push
[11:03] <Imperion> with commit
[11:04] <Imperion> the page just kept saying lp had to process the changes
[11:04] <jtv> That at least is normal.
[11:04] <Imperion> it took about 30 mins
[11:04] <Imperion> then it went away
[11:04] <Imperion> and then I could push
[11:05] <jtv> We really need some Codehosting folks on this...  and not the ones on the night side of the planet.
[11:05] <jtv> meanwhile, rockstar, got any bright ideas about this one?
[11:06] <Imperion> could a local uncommit revert that?
[11:06] <Imperion> s/that/someone else's revisions/
[11:07] <Imperion> or overwrite the same on my push?
[11:07] <jtv> Imperion: we really need rockstar or abentley for this, but neither seems to be available and I've got a call waiting.
[11:08] <Imperion> aieee
[11:08] <jtv> Imperion: abentley should take a few more hours to come online; no idea when rockstar will be in but could well be sooner.
[11:09] <danilos> Imperion: it seems one of you overwrote changes from the another guy
[11:09] <jtv> Imperion: would you mind if I left you in the not very bzr-specific but otherwise capable hands of mrevell for the purpose of getting that help?
[11:09] <Imperion> danilos: how could that occur?
[11:09] <danilos> Imperion: if you look at our staging server (https://code.staging.launchpad.net/~catom-developers/catom/main), which is a test database which is a day or two behind, you can see revisions from your friend there there
[11:09] <danilos> Imperion: by using "push --overwrite"
[11:10] <Imperion> never used it
[11:10] <Imperion> I have an idea
[11:10] <jtv> Or the "use existing directory" option maybe?
[11:11] <Imperion> only on first commit ever
[11:11] <danilos> Imperion: it can also happen if you do not merge and commit changes when bzr reports that branches have diverged, but instead revert them
[11:11] <Imperion> question: what's the proper procedure when you want to push, but there's new code on the server?
[11:11] <danilos> or something like that, I am not a bzr guru either
[11:12] <danilos> Imperion: in general, the proper way is to either 'bzr pull' and then resolve conflicts and whatelse, or simply do a 'bzr merge lp:~catom-developers/catom/main' and resolve conflicts and such
[11:12] <Imperion> what's the difference?
[11:12] <danilos> 'bzr pull' variant should work only with more recent versions, I believe
[11:12] <danilos> at least that's my experience
[11:13] <danilos> if 'bzr pull' can't do it's job, you still have to use bzr merge
[11:14] <Imperion> I assume my friend's commit history is lost forever?
[11:14] <jtv> Imperion: he may still have them locally
[11:14] <danilos> Imperion: it's probably still alive somewhere on his computer, but I am not sure we have it
[11:14] <jtv> Imperion: so tell him not to do _anything_ until real help arrives.
[11:14] <danilos> Imperion: you'd really have to wait for our bzr experts to show up
[11:15] <danilos> heh, same thoughts jtv
[11:15] <Imperion> the Launchpad hive-mind
[11:15] <Imperion> :P
[11:15] <jtv> bzzzzzz
[11:15] <jtv> <bee sounds>
[11:15] <mrevell> Heh, the good news is that abently should along in a couple of hours
[11:15] <Imperion> bah
[11:15] <mrevell> Damn mwhudson for moving to the NZ timezone :)
[11:17] <Imperion> I'll just create a new branch and move all the stuff
[11:17] <Imperion> >_>
[11:20] <Imperion> okay
[11:20] <Imperion> you can relax
[11:20] <Imperion> he just pushed and the tree fixed itself
[11:50] <Fly-Man-> mrevell: Can you edit an url for me ?
[11:50] <Fly-Man-> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/opensim/svn-trunk
[11:51] <Fly-Man-> can you remove the /trunk that was added to the url
[11:51] <Fly-Man-> welcome back mrevell_
[11:52] <Fly-Man-> mrevell: Can you edit an url for me ?
[11:52] <Fly-Man-> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/opensim/svn-trunk
[11:52] <Fly-Man-> can you remove the /trunk that was added to the url
[11:52] <Fly-Man-> then I can start it again
[11:52] <Riddell> jtv: how do I get launchpad transltions to stop spamming me with import messages
[11:53] <jtv> Riddell: set up a procmail rule?
[11:53] <mrevell> Fly-Man-: I've edited the branch URL
[11:53] <Fly-Man-> mrevell: Let's see if my hunch is correct
[11:54] <Riddell> jtv: seriously?  there's no way to tell launchpad I really don't want 1000 messages each day?
[11:54] <Riddell> (only slight hyperbolie)
[11:54] <jtv> Riddell: the landscaped changed a lot... it used to be the only way of getting proper feedback, and us guys got all the ubuntu mail, so there wasn't call for it before
[11:55] <Riddell> I don't want feedback when it works, I only care about feedback when there's a problem
[11:55] <Fly-Man-> mrevell: Okay, that didn't do the trick ...
[11:55] <Riddell> and feedback that leaves me no choice but to send it to /dev/null is stupid
[11:55] <mrevell> Fly-Man-: abentley should be here in an hour or two, he's in Eastern Canada
[11:55] <Fly-Man-> mrevell: can you restore the /trunk again ?
[11:55] <mrevell> Fly-Man-: He's most likely to be able to help
[11:55] <mrevell> Fly-Man-: sure
[11:55] <jtv> Riddell: what I did is set up the mail filter to log and discard the success messages for ubuntu imports
[11:55] <Fly-Man-> I thought it was the problem there
[11:56] <Fly-Man-> but now it's just failing because it can't see the root
[11:56] <mrevell> Fly-Man-: done
[11:56] <jtv> Riddell: (btw, in call as well)
[11:56] <Fly-Man-> thnx
[11:57] <wgrant> mrevell, Fly-Man-: SVN URLs need to have trunk on the end, if there is a trunk directory.
[11:57] <wgrant> Or they are pointless and broken.
[12:05] <Laney> is exposing signed changesfiles (seen on +queue) a security problem? ie could I take a package from there and upload to Debian, for example?
[12:06] <james_w> the distribution names are different
[12:06] <wgrant> Series names, that is.
[12:06] <james_w> series, yeah
[12:06] <wgrant> They used to be exposed for PPAs. And yes, that was a big security problem.
[12:06] <wgrant> That was eventually fixed.
[12:28] <dpm> does anyone know if one can reply through e-mail to LP Answers in the same way it can be done with LP Bugs?
[12:29] <wgrant> dpm: Yes, but you can't change any metadata.
[12:30] <dpm> wgrant: thanks. I'm only intending to respond, so that should work fine, then :)
[13:39] <jmux> Hi. I've set up Launchpad and now want to use sync-source to sync the Debian sources into my launchpad? I've found the ArchiveAdministration wiki page, but this references an update-source script in a ~/syncs directory. Is the content of ~/syncs available somewhere?
[13:39] <jmux> Oh - and is there a graphical view to manage a distroseries component list?
[16:50] <Riddell> danilos: bug 353648 is considered not-low priority to me
[16:50] <AlexC_> hey danilos, sorry to bother you - but you there? Appears those translations did not get imported again
[16:51] <AlexC_> doh, scratch that - they have, I think, sorry
[16:51] <danilos> AlexC_: they should have, I've just marked those with bad paths as 'deleted' so they get cleaned up
[16:52] <AlexC_> yeah was looking at wrong page, thanks =)
[16:52] <danilos> Riddell: can you please write your reasoning in the bug report (if you haven't already), and I'll see how we can re-prioritize it... in general, it's probably no big deal for anyone but eg. seb or you
[16:54] <Riddell> danilos: added
[16:55] <danilos> Riddell: cool, thanks, I'll be looking into it later
[17:01] <Fly-Man-> Git imports fail after ± 1800
[17:01] <Fly-Man-> and it keeps stalling there
[17:01] <Fly-Man-> if you have time, could you have a look if it's a intermittent thing or a hickup on the server side
[17:26] <gary_poster> Fly-Man-: were you talking to someone in particular, or are waiting for anyone to reply?
[17:26] <Fly-Man-> gary_poster: Yes, I already had an answer to the Q by rockstar
[17:26] <Fly-Man-> He's gonna work on it
[17:26] <gary_poster> Fly-Man-: cool
[17:26] <Fly-Man-> wrong window that I pasted it in
[17:26] <gary_poster> ah ok
[17:26] <Fly-Man-> gary_poster: but so far, been able to setup the local version
[17:26] <Fly-Man-> having it do code imports
[17:27] <gary_poster> great
[17:27] <Fly-Man-> and have those imports in the branch
[17:27] <Fly-Man-> so now to find out what those other scripts in the cron-scripts folder do :p
[17:39] <compengi`> how can someone report bugs on my code for example this https://code.launchpad.net/~compengi/+junk/Cirssi ?
[17:43] <tsimpson> by emailing you, or you can create a project for it and use LP for code and bugs
[18:17] <kfogel> Every Launchpad account is automatically an OpenID provider URL, right?
[18:17]  * kfogel sanity checks before depending on that information
[18:18] <kfogel> kiko: ^^  can you confirm?
[18:19] <kiko> yes
[18:19] <kfogel> kiko: thanks
[18:20] <kiko> every enabled account is yes
[18:21] <kfogel> kiko: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/blogger/thread?tid=03901103b68f7a91&hl=en
[18:23] <kiko> kfogel, heh, good catch -- I just pasted in hy openid identifier and was done with it
[18:23] <kiko> didn't notice it was actually tricky to get right
[18:23] <kiko-fud> to lunch n back
[18:23] <kfogel> kiko: enjoy.  see the followup I just posted there :-)
[18:27]  * kfogel is away: looooooooonch
[18:59] <alkisg> I've uploaded a new version of a package (smc) to my ppa (https://launchpad.net/~alkisg/+archive/ppa) and it was published 12 hours ago and of course I got the ppa to my sources, but I don't "see" it with apt-get update/upgrade... What could be wrong?
[19:00] <alkisg> I copied this package from the Karmic primary archive to my ppa for jaunty series ("copy binaries") - could this cause the problem?
[19:04] <tsimpson> alkisg: I don't see "smc" in that PPA (comix is the last package published)
[19:04] <alkisg> tsimpson: ooops sorry I meant comix :O
[19:05] <alkisg> So now I have the jaunty version, comix 4.0.1-1, and sudo apt-get update / dist-upgrade etc doesn't get me the newer version
[19:05] <tsimpson> alkisg: somehow, it seems to be in the universe component
[19:06] <tsimpson> it should have been moved to main, you should file a bug
[19:06] <alkisg> Ah, maybe copying the packages from Karmic did that
[19:06] <alkisg> I think there isn't an "uploader" defined in those packages
[19:07] <tsimpson> yeah, but it _should_ copy to main for PPAs
[19:07] <alkisg> tsimpson: thanks, I'll file a bug
[19:07] <tsimpson> no problem :)


[16:59] <saurav> how i install network simulator ns2 in my ubuntu 9.10
[17:00] <JoseeAntonioR> saurav: you can get support in #ubuntu


[00:01] <mathiaz> isn't the openldap bug tracker supported in LP ? I think it used to work but now the upstream bug url is not recognized anymore
[00:02] <wgrant> mpt: Is this new distro page final?
[02:15] <emgent> Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
[02:15] <emgent> Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused')
[02:15] <emgent> ppa is down ?
[02:20] <cprov> emgent: quite possibly, I'm checking.
[02:22] <cprov> emgent: up again, weird.
[02:24] <emgent> ok just a moment
[02:25] <emgent> ok now work fine :)
[02:27] <cprov> great, bed time anyway. g'night folks.
[05:46] <poolie> is this intentional that the favico for help.l.n has changed?
[05:47] <beuno> poolie, bug #242371
[06:07] <beuno> is staging down?
[06:08] <mwhudson> it's probably updating
[06:08] <mwhudson> so go to bed :)
[06:09] <beuno> hahah
[06:09] <beuno> ok ok, I'm off, I swear
[06:20] <poolie> night beuno
[06:25] <Jerub> oh awesome.
[06:25] <Jerub> I'm having trouble with bzr, launchpad and a project.
[06:26] <Jerub> https://code.launchpad.net/~jerub/packaging/trunk says this branch hasn't been pushed to yet.
[06:27] <Jerub> but when I try to do a push to there, it tells me it's not a bzr repo.
[06:27] <mwhudson> um er
[06:27] <mwhudson> can you pastebin the message?
[06:29] <Jerub> sure, one sec.
[06:29] <Jerub> http://rafb.net/p/c9DWfQ66.html
[06:30] <\sh> Jerub: tried with the --use-existing-dir as explained?
[06:31] <Jerub> okay, will try
[06:31] <\sh> hmm...I wonder
[06:32] <Jerub> that gives me this:
[06:32] <Jerub> bzr: ERROR: lp:~jerub/packaging/trunk is redirected to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:32] <mwhudson> Jerub: bzr version?
[06:32] <spiv> That's a weird message to get as an ERROR.
[06:32] <\sh> ~lp-user/packaging/trunk <- normally this is a local branch url for project "packaging"...did you try to use ~jerub/+junk/packaging/trunk ?
[06:32] <Jerub> oh weird.
[06:33] <\sh> na it's not weired :)
[06:33] <Jerub> looks like it worked but exited with an error and exit code 3
[06:33] <\sh> weird even
[06:33] <Jerub> or maybe not.
[06:33] <Jerub> I also tried it afterwards with the full url, and in the meantime hit reload and saw the branch
[06:33] <\sh> Jerub: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shermann <- check this out...my personal "branch repos" is always under +junk
[06:33] <\sh> all other branches are belonging to other projects
[06:34] <Jerub> 1.1.0
[06:34] <Jerub> I had this code in +junk and am upgrading it to a real package.
[06:34] <Jerub> er project
[06:34] <\sh> ah..so "packaging" is your project name?
[06:34] <Jerub> yes.
[06:34] <mwhudson> Jerub: oh
[06:35] <mwhudson> Jerub: push to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>directly then
[06:35] <Jerub> yeah, that seems required.
[06:35] <mwhudson> lp:/// urls only work properly with newer bzr
[06:35] <Jerub> I see.
[06:35] <Jerub> Okay
[06:35] <Jerub> what's 'newer'?
[06:36] <mwhudson> 1.5 is latest release
[06:36] <mwhudson> but i think 1.3 is "new enough" for this
[06:37] <Jerub> hm, only have 1.1 in fc7.
[06:37] <Jerub> Oh well, seems to work well enough now. Thanks!
[08:17] <thumper> Jerub: why not just edit the branch and set the project?
[09:23] <twcook> attempting to add a mirror for http://www.openehr.org/svn/ref_impl_python/TRUNK it fails saying it's not a branch. What am I missing?
[09:35] <twcook> attempting to add a mirror for http://www.openehr.org/svn/ref_impl_python/TRUNK it fails saying it's not a branch. What am I missing?
[10:19] <gmaxia> hello, everyone
[10:20] <gmaxia> can someone tell me how to improve the dependency view? as it is now, it is unreadable when I have more than three dependencies (e.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mysql-sandbox/+spec/release-sandbox-2-0)
[10:23] <gmaxia> with "show dependencies" I get a detailed list, which is too detailed. A simplified tree should be optimal, but it does not seem to exist
[11:48] <seb128> hi
[11:48] <seb128> is edge having issues? it timeout often today and is slow to reply
[12:00] <kiko> morning
[12:00] <kiko> seb128, does it? can you give me an OOPS?
[12:25] <AboSamoor> how can i classify the projects available according to the programming language used mainly ?
[12:30] <AboSamoor> Can anyone help me in finding a new project written in python ?
[12:32] <kiko> AboSamoor, you can't really classify today. what are you looking for more specifically?
[12:35] <wgrant> kiko: OOPS-909EB117 is one oops I just got, but I guess it's a bit new.
[12:36] <AboSamoor> kiko, i have good experience in dealing with python and i love launchpad as an application. I want to support FreeSoftware so i am looking to project that is in development stage [not big, so i can be involved in] written mainly in python :)
[12:36] <kiko> AboSamoor, why don't you talk to \sh about his Launchpad client?
[12:37] <\sh> what?
[12:37] <\sh> me...desktop client launchpad?
[12:37]  * \sh waves
[12:38] <\sh> AboSamoor: we could use some people :) /join #leonov :) http://launchpad.net/leonov and http://leonov.tv/ as pointer...all python magic+gtk+kde :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> kiko: i was getting edge oopses yesterday with searches.
[12:46] <kiko> Hobbsee, hmmm, that's interesting
[12:47] <wgrant> I'm getting them regularly just viewing bugs.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> kiko: i reported them in here, but no one said anything of them, so i presume it wasn't important enough / found by other people.
[12:47] <kiko> wgrant, how frequently?
[12:47] <wgrant> kiko: Probably about 1/5 page loadds.
[12:47] <wgrant> -d
[12:52] <seb128> kiko: re, sorry I was away for lunch
[12:53] <seb128> kiko: I ran for lunch and pages were still loading for several minutes, didn't get timeouts though on those
[12:53] <seb128> but that's unusuably slow
[13:01] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[13:01] <seb128> hey mpt
[13:01] <Hobbsee> hry mpt@
[13:01] <Hobbsee> bah.
[13:01] <mpt> oh hry?
[13:01] <seb128> kiko: alright, I don't get timeout errors now but doing changes take several minutes where it usually take several seconds, is there any information that could be useful about the issue?
[13:02] <seb128> hello Hobbsee
[13:02] <mpt> wgrant, it's never final. Do you have any particular suggestions?
[13:02] <Hobbsee> hi seb128!
[13:02] <mpt> gmaxia, unfortunately that's a bug, bug 66344
[13:03] <seb128> mpt: do you know who should I ping about the focus issue in +choose-affected-product? that's really annoying when you open lot of upstream watches
[13:03] <gmaxia> ubottu: thanks. I saw it
[13:04] <seb128> how launchpad developers just ignore bugs is sometime really annoying
[13:04] <mpt> seb128, what focus issue?
[13:05] <wgrant> mpt: It's... blue.
[13:05] <wgrant> mpt: And linear.
[13:06] <kiko> wgrant, how frequently?
[13:06] <kiko> I can see we're having a problem there, now to hunt it down.
[13:06] <seb128> mpt: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/220527
[13:06] <mpt> oh
[13:07] <seb128> that's an usability regression which is annoying me in my daily for works some weeks now
[13:07] <mpt> jtv, could you fix that? :-)
[13:07] <Hobbsee> seb128: use email where possible.
[13:07] <wgrant> kiko: In a few minutes with say 10 successful page views, I had to try at least three of them multiple times.
[13:07] <jtv> mpt: is that RC?
[13:07] <seb128> Hobbsee: I'm considering stopping adding upstream watches now
[13:08] <seb128> not very constructive but I'm pretty frustrated that nobody cares to comment on bugs you open against launchpad
[13:08] <Hobbsee> seb128: you can't do it by email?  (or write a script that sends it all by email?)
[13:08] <mpt> jtv, maybe if we lock kiko and seb128 in a room for a while it could end up rc
[13:08] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I don't think you can :(
[13:08] <seb128> I don't want to use mails
[13:08] <jtv> mpt: and while I'm at it, is it Translations?
[13:08] <Hobbsee> seb128: i can't comment, because kiko will shoot me if i do.  I don't have the canonical employee immunity.
[13:08] <mpt> jtv, It's not translations, but it's, like, one line of JavaScript and a 3-line patch altogether
[13:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: but i agree with you, and it's one of the reasons i'm less active.
[13:09] <seb128> there is no special canonical employee thing
[13:09] <seb128> and I don't like to rant
[13:09] <jtv> mpt: if recent events got the idea into your head that I'm some sort of HTML/JS expert, you overestimate me greatly.  :-)
[13:09] <seb128> but it seems they just ignore bugs which is not cool
[13:10] <mpt> fine fine, I'll fix it now
[13:10] <jtv> mpt: thanks :)
[13:10] <mpt> jtv, I asked you only because you're less busy than me right now
[13:10] <mpt> and because it'll be mostly copying-and-pasting code
[13:10]  * wgrant clones mpt a few times.
[13:13] <mpt> That that bug-watch-adding process requires three page loads is quite silly, really
[13:13] <kiko__> god damned INTERNETTT
[13:13]  * wgrant apparently pointed the cloning ray at the wrong guy.
 jtv, could you fix that? :-)
 mpt, jtv not allenap or intellectronica? :)
 mpt, I'd be happy to give out an RC to fix that, but +choose-affected-product is where you choose the product, not the actual watch, no?
[13:14] <mpt> It should be one page load without XHR and JavaScript, zero page loads with them
[13:14] <mpt> anyway
[13:14] <kiko__> yes, anyway
[13:14] <mpt> intellectronica, could I interest you in this bug?
[13:15]  * mpt recounts
[13:15] <intellectronica> mpt: sure, but assuming that's not an rc candidate, next week
[13:16] <mpt> intellectronica, <kiko> mpt, I'd be happy to give out an RC to fix that
[13:17] <kiko> intellectronica, it's so easy that an RC makes sense if it is annoying seb128 that much.
[13:17] <intellectronica> ok, i'll try to get it today. it's not a lot of work, really
[13:17] <mpt> thank you intellectronica
[13:17] <seb128> thank you guys for looking at it ;-)
[13:18] <seb128> kiko: I used to be able to ctrl-V and enter, the bug force me to stop my workflow and use the mouse when I didn't need to too a lot, so having it fixed would be nice ;-)
[13:18] <kiko> yeah, I'm not sure why it regressed either. the hard thing with JS is the testing..
[13:18] <mpt> Maybe it stopped using GeneralForm?
[13:19] <seb128> well, the page use to have one entry
[13:19] <seb128> now it has radio buttons and several choices
[13:19] <seb128> s/use/used
[13:20] <mpt> Does it do something silly like focus a radio button?
[13:20] <kiko> yes
[13:20] <mpt> so it does
[13:21] <intellectronica> mpt: what we need is to focus the input related to the checked radio (because of reloads)
[13:21] <mpt> intellectronica, right
[13:21] <mpt> (though I don't understand the "because of reloads" part)
[13:22] <mpt> Oh, if I'd bothered to read my own bug report, I'd already know that's what it was doing
[13:22] <intellectronica> mpt: if you, say, go back, most browsers will try to remember your input, so you don't have a guarantee that the first radio button will be selected. it could be a different radio button
[13:22] <mpt> intellectronica, makes sense
[13:33] <wgrant> Hmm, the security icon seems to no longer be present on bug pages.
[13:34]  * kiko looks at mpt
[13:35] <mpt> Is it just me, or is there no way to search for security-related bug reports?
[13:36] <mpt> I can search for reports linked to CVEs, but that's not the same thing
[13:36] <Hobbsee> mpt: most of them are private anyway, no?
[13:36] <Hobbsee> isn't privacy == security, in launchpadland?
[13:36] <wgrant> Hobbsee: No.
[13:36] <wgrant> Hobbsee: By default yes, but they're separate flags.
[13:36] <mpt> Hobbsee, it is *outside* launchpadland, but not for Launchpad itself
[13:36] <wgrant> Fortunately.
[13:36] <wgrant> Or I would have a lot of trouble.
[13:37] <seb128> Hobbsee: no, all the apport crashes are private but not security bugs
[13:37] <Hobbsee> seb128: ah
[13:38] <wgrant> mpt: You reported it 2 years ago.
[13:38] <wgrant> Bug #66206
[13:38] <mpt> ah right
[13:38] <mpt> that doesn't surprise me
[13:39] <Hobbsee> mpt: thanks, I guess.  I guess you're teaching me not to talk about how the panel with the version number, etc, of packages is not well placed.  :(
[13:42] <mpt> Hobbsee, as I said yesterday, that will be fixed within a few weeks. The code is already written, but it needs performance improvements.
[13:43] <mpt> Whereas for this bug, there is no impending change that would fix it or obsolete it.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: erm...scratch that.  it appears specific to this bug.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: can you tell me why https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/231116 is listed as "not in ubuntu"?
[13:45] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You're in  a context that it's not in.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> mpt: i thought the source package panel had disappeared *entirely*, but it appears to be only for some bugs, such as the one above.
[13:45] <mpt> Hobbsee, because Launchpad is pedantic about "flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) !== Ubuntu"
[13:45] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You want /ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree
[13:46] <Hobbsee> but it's in /ubuntu...shouldn't that be enough?
[13:46] <wgrant> It doesn't know which SP you're talking about.
[13:46] <mpt> Hobbsee, I've written code that fixes half of that bug, and I hope to get to the other half in the next few weeks
[13:46] <Hobbsee> wgrant: oh, duh.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> mpt: cool :)
[13:48] <mpt> bug 164621
[13:48] <mpt> wait, that's not Critical
[13:48] <wgrant> ubotu is fail.
[13:49] <wgrant> I was wondering why that would be critical.
[13:49] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ubotu does not exist.  </pedant>
[13:49] <Hobbsee> wonder why it's reporting critical, though
[13:49] <mpt> ubottu was right
[13:49] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I live in the past.
[13:49] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:50] <wgrant> I see, you mistakenly changed it.
[13:50] <mpt> I thought about setting the importance just now, but then changed my mind, so I selected the topmost item, thinking that would be Undecided, but it wasn't
[13:50] <wgrant> (took a while to find the new activity log link..0
[13:50] <mpt> and that's bug 179820
[13:50] <wgrant> Isn't there a bug on that?
[13:50] <wgrant> Right.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> wgrant: firefox page search ftw.
[14:01] <seb128> alright, I switch to non-edge, edge is not able to load pages today but doesn't timeout either now so I can't get oops numbers
[14:03] <gnomefreak> can anyone give me an idea on why i got this OOPS-909EB140
[14:06] <gnomefreak> i think the oops was from a pending memeber that i tried to change to owner
[14:13] <mpt> seb128, I've been using edge for the past hour or so with no problems
[14:13] <mpt> seb128, can you give an example URL of a page that doesn't load for you?
[14:14] <seb128> mpt: any ubuntu task I've been tried for some hours
[14:14] <seb128> s/tried/trying
[14:15] <seb128> I got several timeout before lunchs and now the page is displayed but the browser logo is still spinning and I don't get the greasmonkey stuck replies active nor the expender to add add a comment on the page active either
[14:15] <seb128> non-edge and other websites work correctly
[14:15] <kiko> gnomefreak, hmmm!
[14:15] <kiko> seb128, yeah
[14:15] <gnomefreak> kiko: once i removed from pending it allowed me to add the team as owner
[14:16] <gnomefreak> not sure if related
[14:16] <kiko> yeah, it is
[14:17] <gnomefreak> ok cool thanks
[14:19] <qense> can the openID client request teams from Launchpad when a user logs in?
[14:19] <qense> (with requesting teams, I mean asking for the list of teams the user is member of)
[14:20] <gnomefreak> kiko: i also had one from bug i reported but refresh helped. its been 30+ minutes since i got it and just got around to refresh
[14:26] <gnomefreak> is there a way to remove the memebers from deactivated section of team?
[14:28] <kiko> gnomefreak, not currently -- it's there as "history" if you like.
[14:28] <kiko> it should just say "Former members"
[14:28] <gnomefreak> yeah that section
[14:28] <gnomefreak> i can live with it i was just wondering
[14:29] <kiko> mpt, can you rename "Deactivated members" to "Former members" in one of your branches?
[14:30] <gnomefreak> it is former here
[14:30] <salgado> I did that already
[14:30] <salgado> long ago
[14:30] <gnomefreak> Former members
[14:30] <gnomefreak> These are the members whos
[14:30] <kiko> salgado, why did gnomefreak say "deactivated members"  then
[14:31] <gnomefreak> kiko: i was used to it from a while back or from one of the older teams
[14:31] <mpt> kiko, because that's where they appeared when gnomefreak deactivated them?
[14:31] <mpt> or that :-)
[15:34] <seb128> re
[15:35] <seb128> kiko: OOPS-909ED190
[15:38] <emgent> kiko: see also OOPS-909F1846
[15:40] <\sh> guys, timeout error while approving a member on edgy ((Error ID: OOPS-909EB198) )
[15:41] <\sh> but the request was already processed ;)
[15:53] <kiko> emgent, yeah, that one is known and bigjools is working on it.
[15:53] <bigjools_> nearly done in fact :)
[15:59] <emgent> kiko: super.
[16:00] <kiko> bigjools_, the man!
[16:00] <bigjools_> kiko: in fact if you'd like to volunteer to review the change I'll have a diff for you in a bit
[16:01] <kiko> bigjools_, I might be able to, but.. I have two long phone calls, so send it out but keep looking for somebody that's less busy
[16:01] <bigjools_> ok np
[18:14] <perriman> Hi all
[18:14] <perriman> I have a problem importing a project from sourceforge
[18:14] <perriman> can someone help me?
[18:17] <kiko-fud> perriman, sure. gmb's probably the best person, but how can I help?
[18:18] <perriman> I don't know I have add a new project to launchpad and, when I have imported the code from sourceforge, I get errors
[18:19] <kiko-fud> perriman, show me a URL!
[18:19] <perriman> kiko-fud,  Ok sorry
[18:20] <perriman> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gtksourcecompletion/trunk
[18:22] <perriman> If I download into my PC, all works fine
[18:26] <perriman> And, If I have created a import and I want to remove it, How can I do it?
[18:29] <kiko-fud> perriman, it's a broken URL.
[18:31] <perriman> kiko-fud, If you do svn co "The URL" you can download the source perfectly
[18:33] <kiko-fud> perriman, something's strange there. hmmm.
[18:34] <kiko-fud> perriman, might be a transient problem in the DC
[18:34] <perriman> I don't know...
[18:35] <perriman> The url is not the base url
[18:35] <perriman> the svn base url is: https://gtksourcecomple.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtksourcecomple
[18:36] <perriman> but the project url is: https://gtksourcecomple.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtksourcecomple/gtksourcecompletion/trunk
[18:36] <perriman> perhaps launchpad doesnot understand that...
[18:40] <perriman> gmb, If you can help me I regards you
[18:40] <perriman> kiko-fud, thanks a lot for your help
[18:41] <perriman> I think this is an internal problem
[18:49] <kiko-fud> indeed
[18:49] <perriman> bye all and thanks again
[21:42] <aa_> hi everyone, every time I look at laucnhpad it gets a bit better :)
[21:43] <aa_> now please how can I do "bzr branch lp:glashammer" except have it over ssh, and provide a username?
[21:44] <kiko__> aa_, just do bzr launchpad-login
[21:44] <kiko__> aa_, once that's done, bzr lp: will DTRT
[21:44] <aa_> oooooh
[21:44] <aa_> fancy
[21:44] <kiko__> you know our style!
[21:44] <aa_> ok, and this is a FAQ, but what do I change to get an interestin
[21:44] <aa_> oosp
[21:45] <aa_> ^w correct email address in my commit history
[21:45] <aa_> oh nevermind I'll look that one up
[21:48] <kiko__> aa_, hmm, not sure what you mean there. what's wrong with your commit log?
[21:48] <aa_> kiko__: I needed "bzr whoami"
[21:48] <kiko__> ah, heh
[21:50] <aa_> ok, well lp: works perfectly now. Thanks kiko :) see you in pygtk land.
[21:51] <Kenichiro> Wanna Play Fun RPG game ? /q me or join #HypeRPG
[21:51] <Kenichiro> Wanna Play Fun RPG game ? /q me or join #HypeRPG
[21:51] <kiko__> Kenichiro, get out of #launchpad.
[21:53] <Peng> Haha.
[21:53] <kiko__> ai ai.
[21:53] <kiko__> launchpad DB's taken a hammering and fallen down.
[21:55] <Peng> Damn spammers. :P
[21:55] <kiko__> it was spammers indeed, unfortunately
[21:55] <kiko__> well
[21:56] <kiko__> spambots anyway
[22:16] <kiko__> hang in there, doing some more DB work..


[03:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh sorry, I responded in my head but that doesn't help you at all.  Nothing that I can think of really?
[12:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Drop xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, Xfce supports libinput @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=331f1fe757528558551c59a0b1e8981707174803 (by Sean Davis)
[12:05] <bluesabre> Pushed that one. I'll fiddle with the wallpapers package this week.
[23:56] <newhoa> Hey, would we be able to get a release of the elementary-xfce icon theme in time for 23.10? The last few Xubuntus have not had the icon theme updates, and it would be nice to get some feedback on anything that needs fixing before the LTS.


[00:20] <daker> AlanBell: did you saw this http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/img/devices/tablet-hero.jpg ?
[00:21] <daker> czajkowski: ^
[00:22] <daker> and this http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/img/devices/tablet-home-portrait.jpg
[00:23] <AlanBell> yeah, saw those
[00:23] <AlanBell> I did point those out in the G+ posts, I dunno if that is the phone UI running on the tablet though
[00:27] <daker> i don't know, anyway i don't have a nexus 10/7/4 so i don't care about them :)
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <philipballew> morning dholbach
[07:42] <dholbach> hey philipballew
[07:43] <philipballew> hello dholbach hope your day goes well
[07:44] <dholbach> I hope the same for you :)
[07:44] <philipballew> thanks!
[13:21] <AlanBell> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/02/20/0359257/ubuntu-tablets-less-jarring-than-windows-8 slashdotted again
[13:24] <AlanBell> and I have mod points today, thats nice
[15:53] <dholbach> sorry, got kicked out
[15:53] <dholbach> plugin crashed :)
[15:54] <smartboyhw> dholbach, LOL
[18:30] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[18:30] <jcastro> your blog post about Qt development from yesterday
[18:30] <jcastro> would make a good standalone blog post
[18:30] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: are we having rrnwexec on the first or last 15 mins?
[18:31] <mhall119> what blog post?
[18:33] <popey> s/blog/g+/ I suspect
[18:34] <mhall119> ah, the one where I expanded on Sam's post?
[18:37] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, yes please
[18:37] <jono> last 10min
[18:37] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, grabbing a coffee and then will be back
[18:38] <JoseeAntonioR> sure, let me quickly have lunch and I'll be here
[18:43] <JoseeAntonioR> back now
[18:54] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: error, will start it again
[19:20] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, there's too much good stuff there to keep locked away in G+
[19:24] <jcastro> hahaha
[19:24] <jcastro> "So what is Jose doing there?"
[20:04] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: hey, sorry for dropping, I did an update of the plugin today and looks like that made it drop
[20:26] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, no worries!
[20:49] <jcastro> popey: I have a dumb question about uupc
[20:50] <jcastro> if you're from the UK, shouldn't it be Series 6?
[20:50] <jcastro> these are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night
[20:50] <AlanBell> :)
[20:50] <popey> hah
[20:51] <AlanBell> buildings should be considered zero based arrays
[20:51] <popey> there are two animated gifs which caused me to have a near heart attack just now
[20:52] <popey> its funny how an image with a caption makes me just lol myself crying
[22:10] <philipballew> jono, can I shoot you a pm
[22:11] <jono> philipballew, sure
[22:15] <jcastro> ok EOD
[22:15] <jcastro> philipballew: jono: see you guys soon!
[22:15] <jono> jcastro, fly safe!
[22:21] <philipballew> jono, jcastro enjoy your flights!


[00:41] <Craig> is libproxy necessary for kde-full to be installed over ubuntu server
[01:25] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1094360] qt4 apps such as vlc: QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme unless libgnom... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1094360 (by Doug McMahon)
[01:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll check upstream
[03:52] <ScottK> Riddell: You probably saw this already, but if you didn't I thought you'd be interested to know your English imperialists have at least got something right. http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240179643/Government-mandates-preference-for-open-source
[06:54] <soee> good morning
[07:10] <soee> is there libctemplate0 package for raring ?
[07:12] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1157753] knotify4 crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1157753 (by Marcos K)
[07:25] <shadeslayer> !find libctemplate0
[07:25] <shadeslayer> !find libctemplate0 raring
[07:26] <shadeslayer> I always forget raring at the end :/
[07:26] <shadeslayer> soee: nope
[07:26] <soee> yeah i downloaded it manually
[07:27] <soee> but mysql workbench is broken anyway on 13.04 :<
[07:28] <shadeslayer> yeah that thing is broken as far as 11.10 IIRC
[07:29] <soee> it worked fine on 12.10 :/
[07:29] <shadeslayer> oh
[07:29] <shadeslayer> guess someone fixed it then
[08:03] <tazz> Riddell, +1 to "please don't ever stop working on/for Kubuntu."
[08:04] <valorie> yes!
[08:04] <valorie> that was awesome
[08:04] <agateau> soee: looking for a homerun developer?
[08:05] <soee> hi, agateau
[08:05] <soee> agateau, is it possible to sort manually items in favourites section ?
[08:05] <agateau> soee: right now you have to edit the configuration file by hand :(
[08:06] <agateau> soee: that's one of the most wanted feature
[08:06] <soee> agateau, yes thats what im missing most :)
[08:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell do either of you know anything about LP's derived distro feature?
[09:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1158181] Kubuntu uses two virtual desktops as a default @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1158181 (by Martin Gräßlin)
[09:10] <jussi> yay
[09:11] <jussi> I just managed to crash krunner...
[09:19] <jussi> bug here if anyone is interested: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317116
[09:19] <Tm_T> was there a way to have ubuntu's crashandler disabled with one app?
[09:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[09:22] <shadeslayer> whoopsie
[09:23] <shadeslayer> so purge whoopsie and voila, no crash reporting
[09:23] <shadeslayer> oh god, so sleepy post lunch
[09:24] <jussi> Tm_T: sudo nano /etc/default/apport
[09:25] <jussi> you can turn it off there
[09:25] <jussi> Tm_T: although I read you as saying you just want it off for 1 app
[09:25] <jussi> but on for the rest?
[09:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: power nap then coffee. works a charm
[09:30] <shadeslayer> yeah that's what I'm thinking
[09:31] <Tm_T> jussi: yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> Konqueror is crashing and apport fails to do anything
[09:34] <shadeslayer> !find resource/facebookresource.h raring
[09:50] <soee> tanglu will use KDE ?
[09:52] <shadeslayer> soee: since it's started by a KDE Contributor, yes
[09:52] <soee> shadeslayer, Jayson Rowe ?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> no, Matthias Klumpp
[09:54] <soee> shadeslayer, what is his nickname on irc ?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ximion
[09:54] <soee> ok thank you :) good to kniw
[09:54] <shadeslayer> np :)
[09:58] <yofel_> hm, our live session still has 2 virtual desktops
[09:59] <yofel_> because our kubuntu-settings kwinrc still isn't used..
[10:04] <shadeslayer> :|
[10:05] <shadeslayer> anyone using dput-ng ?
[10:05] <mgraesslin> yofel: also the installed image
[10:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's the -ng part?
[10:06] <shadeslayer> next generation
[10:06] <yofel> mgraesslin: meh, feared as much
[10:06] <shadeslayer> like star trek :p
[10:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah... but what's -ng about it....
[10:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:06] <mgraesslin> yofel: I reported a bug for it
[10:06] <shadeslayer> well, I don't know about dput, but with -ng you can write your own pre upload and post upload hooks
[10:06]  * mgraesslin installed Kubuntu raring yesterday on a notebook
[10:07] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of writing one right now for work stuff
[10:07]  * mgraesslin was very close to writing a rant on how bad Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) is
[10:07] <yofel> mgraesslin: already commented on it - but I fear that someone will have to take the whole config generation process apart to find out what's wrong :/
[10:07] <shadeslayer> I can have a look at that
[10:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: ++
[10:07] <shadeslayer> seeing how I spent so much time working with configs over the last 6 months
[10:09] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: bug number plz
[10:10] <mgraesslin> 1158181
[10:10] <shadeslayer> thx
[10:10] <mgraesslin> I had huge issues to report the bug - just to say
[10:10] <shadeslayer> hah
[10:11] <mgraesslin> it seems like Launchpad doesn't want you to report bugs
[10:11] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1083060] packages kde-workspace-bin 4.9.80-0ubuntu5 and kde-window-manager-common 4.9.80-0ubuntu5 c... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1083060 (by zigi)
[10:12] <yofel> mgraesslin: it's more ubuntu not wanting you to *start* on launchpad with the reporting
[10:12] <mgraesslin> for an upstream that's annoying
[10:12] <mgraesslin> I tend to report bugs to distro trackers without running the distribution
[10:14] <mgraesslin> but to be honest: reporting bugs to debian is even more annoying
[10:18] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:21] <shadeslayer> er wait
[10:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:25] <shadeslayer> hi lordievader
[10:26] <lordievader> Hey shadeslayer, how are you?
[10:28] <shadeslayer> sleepy
[10:28] <yofel> join the club
[10:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ohmy
[10:38] <shadeslayer> wow
[10:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: I think dput-ng can tweet about your uploads
[10:38] <shadeslayer> this hook screams social media so loud my ears hurt
[10:39] <yofel> ...
[10:40] <shadeslayer> I need something that is trigerred when I upload to a PPA
[10:41] <shadeslayer> and a specific PPA at that
[11:59] <jr> konversation can do colours
[11:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:59] <shadeslayer> hey jr
[12:00] <jr> ᐇ
[12:00] <shadeslayer> weirdness
[12:10] <agateau> lordievader: ping
[12:11] <lordievader> agateau: pong
[12:11] <agateau> lordievader: hi, I was trying to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1154535
[12:11] <agateau> but the buttons go away for me. Do you still have the problem?
[12:12] <lordievader> agateau: I'll have to download a daily and test it, is it allright that I get back to you about this later?
[12:13] <agateau> lordievader: sure, no problem
[12:15] <shadeslayer> jr: will we be able to get 4.10.2 into raring before the release?
[12:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: should work out looking at the schedule
[12:17] <yofel> after beta though
[12:17] <shadeslayer> well then
[12:17] <shadeslayer> vHanda: ^ no rush, release a new soprano with 4.10.2
[12:17] <yofel> that is a bugfix soprano... right?
[12:17] <vHanda> yes
[12:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah why wouldn't we?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seemed like a tight fit
[12:29] <txwikinger> congrats to raring.. I really love it
[12:30] <txwikinger> No problems so far and I am using it for a week now
[12:32] <txwikinger> lots of issus I had for 2-3 releases are fixed
[12:38] <Riddell> txwikinger: yay
[12:40] <txwikinger> Good work Riddell!
[12:42] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[12:52] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I know it exists.  It's what's used to make Debian -> Ubuntu syncs.
[12:52] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:54] <yofel> interesting
[12:54] <shadeslayer> shoot, I had to build qtwebkit today
[12:54] <shadeslayer> with that webkit+http patch :/
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ sorry, forgot about it
[12:54] <shadeslayer> maybe tomorrow
[12:54] <shadeslayer> if I don't go mad from trying to build gstreamer
[12:57] <BluesKaj> since VLC is my video player I've been using vlc backend in phonon with good results , especially on videos with AC-3 DD soundtracks
[12:57] <BluesKaj> and DTS as well
[12:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:59] <shadeslayer> that's because pgst has been neglected
[12:59] <shadeslayer> I also found out this morning that YUV probably doesn't work on the current release
[12:59] <BluesKaj> pgst? shadeslayer
[12:59] <shadeslayer> phonon gstreamer
[13:00] <shadeslayer> and then I found this a couple of minutes ago https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696282
[13:00] <shadeslayer> so yuv4mpeg is broken on gstreamer 1.0
[13:00] <BluesKaj> gstreamer is ok for avi files that are 2ch stereo
[13:01] <shadeslayer> well, seeing how gst is the default backend on Kubuntu I'm trying to improve it
[13:01] <shadeslayer> hopefully it'll be as good as the vlc backend
[13:03] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, right, keep up the good work
[13:03] <BluesKaj> :)
[13:11] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:19] <lordievader> agateau: Bug 1154535 is still present for me, daily i386 Raring.
[13:20] <Riddell> agateau: how are you testing it?
[13:20] <Riddell> I seem to remember testing oem-config in its native environment is faffy
[13:21] <agateau> Riddell: running ubiquity with UBIQUITY_OEM_USER_CONFIG=1 ubiquity -d kde_ui
[13:21] <agateau> lordievader: just to avoid any confusion: the back/continue buttons are visible during the slideshow, right?
[13:22] <lordievader> agateau: No, during the oem-config. Last stage of the oem-install, where the 'user' startup the system for the first time <- that wizard.
[13:24] <agateau> lordievader: oooh
[13:25] <lordievader> agateau: Ubiquity calls it oem-config ("oem-config will be run on the next start-up")
[13:25] <agateau> lordievader: bare with me as I know next to nothing about the oem install. Is this wizard provided by ubiquity as well?
[13:25] <agateau> is it a different binary?
[13:25] <Riddell> agateau: yes it's part of ubiquity
[13:25] <Riddell> it runs the language and user setup pages
[13:25] <lordievader> agateau: Your guess is a good as mine.
[13:26] <agateau> lordievader: :)
[13:26] <lordievader> And probably better ;)
[13:26] <Riddell> so when you buy a computer it's the first thing you see
[13:26] <agateau> I get it
[13:26] <agateau> Riddell: any simple way to test it?
[13:27] <lordievader> That is the idea. agateau If you get the change could you take a look at the design of it too? Now it is just lots of gray, would be nice to have the slideshow there too :)
[13:27] <agateau> lordievader: if I ever get to know how to run it, I can look at it :)
[13:28]  * Riddell installs oem-config to see what happens when run locally
[13:28] <agateau> Riddell: you probably want oem-config-kde
[13:29] <agateau> do we have vendors using it?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> probably
[13:30] <Riddell> system 78 at least
[13:30] <shadeslayer> 78 ... hahaha
[13:31] <Riddell> hmm, it runs locally but I'm feart to go past the last stage, who knows what it could break
[13:31] <Riddell> oh sod it
[13:31] <shadeslayer> use a vm
[13:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell lives on the edge :p
[13:31] <Riddell> agateau: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/oem-config.png
[13:32] <Riddell> crazy times
[13:32] <lordievader> ^ that's the one
[13:32] <agateau> lordievader: hu ok, it may need some love :)
[13:32] <lordievader> agateau: :)
[13:33] <agateau> just found out the binary is named oem-config-prepare
[13:33] <Riddell> agateau: it's just "oem-config"
[13:33] <Riddell> agateau: oem-config-prepare is what gets run to set it up for running "oem-config" on next boot
[13:34] <genii-around> Does lightdm use tty1? When login screen is up I can only get tty2-6, after login tty1 is available
[13:34] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok
[13:35] <Riddell> so it's ubiquity install -> reboot -> set up computer and run oem-config-prepare -> reboot -> sell laptop -> oem-config runs on first boot
[13:36]  * xnox likes the "sell laptop" step.
[13:36] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[13:37] <agateau> Riddell: I think this would make a good addition to doc/README
[13:39] <agateau> oh, oem-config is a symlink to ubiquity
[13:41] <Riddell> agateau: yep
[13:41]  * genii-around kicks his computer
[13:42] <Riddell> if I install ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu it successfully shows it
[13:42] <Riddell> so I think the issue is just that gets uninstalled before oem-config gets run
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: ok, so creating a symlink for it, it should work
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: which would not be a regression I introduced (for a change :))
[13:44] <agateau> Riddell: would be interesting to look at how Ubuntu handle this package issue
[13:48] <Riddell> oh there's a oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu
[13:51] <Riddell> which is installed by ubiquity/finish-install.d/01oem-config-udeb
[13:52] <Riddell> new in quantal
[13:52] <Riddell> hmm
[13:52] <agateau> is it a different slideshow?
[13:52] <Riddell> dunno, different package, not sure what's different about contents
[13:52] <Riddell> shouldn't be too hard to mirror
[13:52]  * Riddell adds to the days todo list
[13:53] <agateau> btw, did you run oem-config to the end?
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: dunno it just disappeared from my screen
[13:53] <xnox> bug 984736 ?
[13:53] <Riddell> and I wasn't paying attention
[13:53] <agateau> so it did not wreck your computer?
[13:53] <xnox> * Always install oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu in OEM mode, also for
[13:53] <xnox>     alternate installs (LP: #984736)
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: well I've not rebooted or logged out yet :)
[13:54] <agateau> xnox: looks like it
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: but seems fairly safe
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: it'll make a new user
[13:54]  * agateau press "Continue"
[13:55] <agateau> Mmm, since I have the slideshow package installed, I get the slideshow
[13:56] <agateau> and the navigation buttons are hidden, I guess lordievader bug is actually caused by the slideshow not loading, which prevents the code from reaching the point where it hides the buttons
[13:56]  * agateau checks the code to verify he does not speak nonsense
[13:56] <Riddell> agateau: oh aye they do disappear
[13:57] <agateau> I noticed two other problems though
[13:57] <agateau> 1. the button to cancel downloads is missing an icon
[13:57] <lordievader> agateau: Did you fix it? Nice :)
[13:57] <agateau> 2. the button to cancel downloads actually does nothing
[13:58] <Riddell> lordievader: we know what needs to be done to fix it
[13:58] <agateau> lordievader: I did not really fix it, but getting the slideshow installed should take care of both the ugly content and the buttons not hiding
[13:58] <lordievader> Oh wel that is great ;)
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: so does it mean it was broken in quantal as well?
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: dunno, we did test it and you'd think it would be the sort of thing you'd notice but it should be broken according to what we've found
[14:03] <Riddell> but nobody noticed it as broken including me
[14:03] <agateau> ok
[14:04] <agateau> I just reverted ubiquity to before I started working on it: looks like the cancel button near the progress bar was never plugged to anything
[14:04] <agateau> I wonder if we should fix it or just remove the button
[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: what do you think?
[14:05] <xnox> agateau: it should be plugged in base.py as ubiquity backend activates it.
[14:05] <agateau> xnox: ah, was about to ask you how hard it was to implement :)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> well, ubiquity on the Raring live cd has been broken for my system since Jan .
[14:05] <xnox> (e.g. it is expected to be available, it's only activated at certain points of installation)
[14:06] <agateau> xnox: yes, it shows and hides correctly already, just doesn't do anything
[14:06]  * agateau looks for bug report about this


[03:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:46] <ducasse> good morning
[11:30] <Pr_Moriarty> hello
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> welcome Pr_Moriarty
[11:30] <Pr_Moriarty> thnak you
[11:30] <Pr_Moriarty> thank you that is
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> Pr_Moriarty: ubuntu is for all, the community holds all kinds of users novice, experts, devs,..
[11:31] <Pr_Moriarty> I am currently on a windows gaming laptop but I am getting a I7 to install Ubuntu on
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> Pr_Moriarty: what kind of games will you be playing
[11:31] <Pr_Moriarty> waiting for it to arrive from amazon
[11:31] <Pr_Moriarty> The gaming laptop is a Win10 I am going to just expirement with the older hardware and ubuntu
[11:32] <Pr_Moriarty> the one i ordered is a n I7 7th Gen with 16gb of ram 500gb ssd and GTX 1050
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> sounds good Pr_Moriarty
[11:33] <Pr_Moriarty> it seems to exceed the general requirements for the OS and the software I am interested in
[11:33] <Pr_Moriarty> it is an HP so it should have good driver support being such a common brand
[11:33] <Pr_Moriarty> atleast that is the assumption i am running on
[11:34] <Pr_Moriarty> but like I said I just want to experience Ubuntu to see how it compares to non FOSS Software, I have been watching Youtube videos and it looks pretty much as polished as non FOSS software
[11:35] <Pr_Moriarty> I find the idea of GNU/Linux Freedom as in free ownership of the IP distributed among all users in addition to free as in without financial liability fasinating
[11:35] <Pr_Moriarty> I am thinking about doing my masters thesis on it
[11:35] <Pr_Moriarty> but i am not a informatics expert, I studies Political Economy and Philosophy of Power at Reed but have no specialization in Computer Science