[15:00] <caribou> o/
[15:00] <pitti> o/
[15:00] <cyphermox> \o
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <barry> o\
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <robru> aloha
[15:01] <cyphermox> barry: we're just missing o| and o-
[15:01] <barry> ~o
[15:01] <barry> o~
[15:02] <cyphermox> o┘
[15:03] <pitti> hey stgraber, welcome back!
[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:04] <pitti> hey slangasek
[15:06] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:07]  * slangasek buys everyone a little time to finish writing ;)
[15:07] <slangasek> ho, no bot today?
[15:07] <sil2100> uh
[15:07] <sil2100> Oh no
[15:07] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:08] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti)
[15:08] <slangasek> doko caribou cyphermox bdmurray infinity slangasek robru pitti sil2100 barry
[15:08] <barry> \o/
[15:08] <doko> - GCC 5.2 release candidate
[15:08] <doko> - fixed non touch ftbfs in the silo 16 (GCC 5)
[15:08] <doko> - fixed most ftbfs for the libstdc++ transition rebuilds (some will be autoremoved)
[15:08] <doko> - syncs and merges
[15:08] <pitti> wow, this has never fit on one line :(
[15:08] <doko> (done)
[15:08] <caribou> Bugfix:
[15:08] <caribou>  - ifenslave ambigous message (Bug #1326854)
[15:08] <caribou>    * Fix now in debian ifenslave-2.7 needs merging
[15:08] <caribou>  Charm dev
[15:08] <caribou>  - Continued work on Kernel Crash Dump subordinate charm
[15:09] <caribou>  Merges
[15:09] <caribou>  - Continue work on rsyslog merge
[15:09] <caribou>    Need to disable liblogging-stdlog use
[15:09] <caribou> (done)
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * network-manager-applet bug 1418260 + SRU
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * finally released network-manager <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7 from silo 27
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * debugged NM failing autopkgtests (802.11a failing reproducibly)
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * discussed workflow for NM/ofono patches to packaging branch
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * multipath-tools:
[15:09] <cyphermox>    - investigated how to ignore USB devices and local non-mpath disks
[15:09] <cyphermox>    - prepared much SRUs for Trusty, Vivid for multipath support
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * preparing fwupdate / EFI capsule blueprint
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * debugged wily desktop LVM smoketest failures
[15:09] <cyphermox> ♖
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated proper-ppa support merge proposal based off pitti's feedback
[15:10] <bdmurray> resolved a test failure with apport ppa changes and python2
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated apport retracer hack branch not to generate a StacktraceSource since errors doesn't use it
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have apport updated on the staging retracers
[15:10] <bdmurray> working on bug LP: #1473562
[15:10] <bdmurray> created apt-clone merge proposal to list foreign packages installed
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported livecd-rootfs bug 1471903 (-updates missing from apt lists)
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed merge-o-matic bug LP: #252420 (link to LP page of uploader)
[15:10] <bdmurray> worked on merge-o-matic sorting by age
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated merge-o-matic on the server so merges are sorted by age and display an age (LP: #881487)
[15:10] <bdmurray> investigation into how to fix updated merges section of merge-o-matic output
[15:11] <bdmurray> submitted bug report regarding merge-o-matic and updated section (LP: #1474139)
[15:11] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <robru> no infinity, slangasek?
[15:12] <slangasek> seems not
[15:12] <slangasek>  * ppc64el tracking for 14.04.3
[15:12] <slangasek>  * helping with the gcc5 transition (test uploads to silo)
[15:12] <slangasek>  * SRU processing for 14.04.3
[15:12] <slangasek>  * blueprinting of this cycle's work
[15:12] <slangasek> (done)
[15:12] <robru> * Working closely with IS on the Bileto rollout, many revisions to the mojo spec
[15:12] <robru> * Various minor bugfixes for cu2d and bileto
[15:12] <robru> * Ported queuebot from google spreadsheet to bileto.
[15:12] <robru> (done)
[15:12] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:12] <pitti>  - Adjust snappy setup script for changed ubuntu-device-flash structure in wily
[15:12] <pitti>  - Handle build profiles in build deps parsing (Debian #787093), get rid of local gpg archive signing (#1472691), various smaller fixes
[15:12] <pitti> autopkgtest-cloud:
[15:12] <pitti>  - Roll out non-authoritative cloud tests triggered and displayed in britney; fix fallout in britney, autopkgtest, network config
[15:12] <pitti>  - Add email setup and notification on worker failure (in progress)
[15:12] <pitti>  - brief Laney about current setup, to watch infra while I'm away next week
[15:12] <pitti> systemd: bug fixes (1466790, 1470845, write initial networkd autopkgtest; start adding if-up.d/ support to networkd
[15:12] <pitti> misc:
[15:12] <pitti>  - fix missing ddebs in ddeb-retriever, recovered all possibly missing ddebs since April
[15:12] <pitti>  - build/test first wily langpacks
[15:12] <pitti>  - review/fix/land https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/apport/support-ppa-packages/+merge/263437
[15:13] <pitti>  - merges: lvm2, ifupdown, sane-backends
[15:13] <pitti> plan: holiday next week and the Monday after
[15:13] <pitti> 🔚
[15:13] <pitti> 🔚
[15:13] <pitti> bah! my shiny little END char isn't displaying
[15:13] <slangasek> it shows here
[15:13] <cyphermox> yep
[15:13] <sil2100> o/
[15:13] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:13] <sil2100> - Manually prepare updates of all language packs for ubuntu touch OTA-5 re-spin
[15:14] <sil2100> - Rebuild the OTA-5 candidate
[15:14] <sil2100> - Leading the RTM status meeting
[15:14] <sil2100> - Commitlog generation scripts:
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Enabling fully automated commitlog generation on canonistack
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Code refactoring for better testability
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Started work on enabling support of bileto
[15:14] <sil2100> - Investigating issue with custom dconf overrides not working for certain update cases
[15:14] <sil2100> - Adding qml-module-qtbluetooth to the seeds
[15:14] <sil2100> - Prepare OTA-5 snapshot to the snapshot PPA for the arale dconf bug-fix
[15:14] <sil2100> - Discussions regarding Qt 5.5 and gcc-5 transitions
[15:14] <sil2100> - Prepare quick tool for lising overlay-PPA source packages from manifests
[15:14] <sil2100> - Started preparing release notes for OTA-5
[15:14] <sil2100> - Lower work capacity due to not feeling too good
[15:14] <sil2100> (done)
[15:14] <sil2100> (no fancy UTF-8 signs)
[15:14] <sil2100> ;)
[15:14] <barry> python 3.5 transition.  ~80% passing builds in ppa, new python3-defaults w/3.5 enabled but not default uploaded to wily, blocked in proposed.  first step: clear proposed.  then: mass rebuild and ftbfs fixes.  LP: #1474882
[15:14] <barry> LP: #1473577 and new upstream/PyPI/Debian release
[15:14] <barry> python-packaging 15.2-1, tox 2.1.1-1
[15:14] <barry> git-dpm transition for dpmt.  we are ready to go!
[15:15] <barry> looking again into rewheel to solve the wheel/pip/virtualenv problem.
[15:15] <barry> upgraded main dev box to wily
[15:15] <barry> --done--
[15:15] <doko> barry, how many are 20%?
[15:15] <barry> doko: 219
[15:15] <doko> ugh
[15:15] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults (enabling 3.5) has quite a lot of test fallout too
[15:15] <barry> well, it's long tail universe stuff mostly (django being the exception)
[15:16] <barry> pitti: indeed, i'm starting with those.  couldn't do dep-8 testing in ppa really
[15:16] <pitti> some looks simple, like python-apt trips over some new deprecation warnings etc.
[15:16] <pitti> barry: I hope I have PPA dep-8 support working in at most a month :)
[15:16] <barry> pitti: :)
[15:17] <barry> pitti: yep.  haven't yet decided whether to allow-stderr, add __future__ warning or fix the generators.  this is pep 479
[15:17] <barry> fallout
[15:19] <slangasek> alright, anything else on status we should discuss?
[15:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:21] <slangasek> or anything else going on?
[15:21] <slangasek> anyone have fun vacations planned this summer? :)
[15:21] <pitti> we'll go bicycling and tenting through the alps next week
[15:21] <bdmurray> I'm going to hike into the crater of Mt St Helens
[15:22] <doko> going to GCC land ...
[15:22] <barry> fixing python 3.5 failures
[15:22] <cyphermox> Ingress! almost made it to level 7 last night
[15:22] <bdmurray> I already did this https://www.flickr.com/photos/84343144@N00/sets/72157652925369914
[15:22] <caribou> cyphermox: I'm about to remove it from my phone, haven't played in months
[15:23] <slangasek> doko: GCCland, sounds like a strange island with lots of sharp pointy bits
[15:23] <cyphermox> bdmurray: very cool!
[15:23] <pitti> bdmurray: wow, that looks deep!
[15:23] <cyphermox> there's lots of different scientific research outings over here, I just never have the opportunity to go
[15:23] <bdmurray> oh, to be clear I was a sherpa for them. I didn't go into the caves.
[15:24] <cyphermox> still :)
[15:25] <bdmurray> still indeed! If all goes well I should be sherpa'ing up Mt Rainier too.
[15:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: hopefully not this one http://q13fox.com/2015/07/07/crews-work-to-recover-body-of-34-year-old-woman-in-ice-cave-collapse/
[15:26] <doko> heh, ice man
[15:26] <slangasek> (you know, the one that had signs posted warning people to stay out)
[15:27] <bdmurray> no, these are on the summit of Rainier
[15:27] <pitti> yeah, it took Ötzi like 20.000 years before they found him :)
[15:27] <slangasek> well yes, but he was stabbed in the back and left to die, totally different
[15:28] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:28] <slangasek> that's probably everything we need to cover then
[15:28] <ogra_> you guys *never* have a thunder round after the lightning round
[15:28]  * slangasek waves his fake gavel around
[15:28] <caribou> slangasek: thanks!
[15:28] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:28] <cyphermox> ogra_: you just need to wait longer, we're *that* fast
[15:29] <ogra_> haha
[15:29] <davmor2> ogra_: they do it's just you can't hear anything
[15:29] <barry> thanks!
[15:29] <pitti> ogra_: ⛈
[15:29] <ogra_> davmor2, IRC builtin noise reduction ?
[15:30] <cyphermox> IRC has perfect noise reduction
[15:30] <pitti> ogra_: actually, this is better: 🌩
[15:31] <ogra_> pitti, my font doesnt seem to have either :(
[16:54] <davmor2> ogra_: it looks like this 🌩 :D
[16:55] <teward> 0x01F329 - blah no rendering of it in hexchat :P
[17:06]  * pleia2 waves
[17:06] <pleia2> CC meeting time
[17:06] <pleia2> rounding up other folks
[17:08] <pleia2> while we wait, anyone from ubuntu studio or xubuntu here?
[17:08] <Unit193> Nope.
[17:09] <pleia2> hey dpm
[17:09] <dpm> o/
[17:09] <pleia2> just me so far, seeing if I can find anyone else
[17:09] <pleia2> ah, there's Cprofitt_
[17:09] <dpm> ok, cool
[17:09] <pleia2> mhall119 said he can't make it, not sure about czajkowski
[17:09] <pleia2> seems dholbach logged off for the day already
[17:10] <Cprofitt_> I am on vacation... And on my tablet using webchat.
[17:10] <dpm> ok
[17:10] <Cprofitt_> So may make spelling mistakes and be slow
[17:10] <dpm> yes, dholbach told me he had to go
[17:10] <pleia2> alright, might as well get started anyway
[17:10] <pleia2> #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Council
[17:11] <pleia2> and not bot
[17:11] <pleia2> s/not/no
[17:11] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[17:11] <pleia2> boo
[17:11] <pleia2> alright!
[17:11] <dpm> seems it's off for the day too :)
[17:11] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda#General_Agenda_Items_and_Proposals
[17:12] <pleia2> since we don't have anyone from studio/xubuntu yet, we can jump in to dpm's agenda item
[17:12] <pleia2> #topic CLS topics review and prioritization
[17:12] <dpm> wfm
[17:12] <dpm> so essentially the topic is about reviewing the brainstorming topics on this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bimzQVB3YMBmTPZhX9LWtBn7BMJ__pMuDxvSrDaQd24/edit#
[17:13] <pleia2> several of us find ourselves at CLS this weekend (czajkowski is even doing a plenary!) so the CC is meeting up with dpm of the community team at canoniocal
[17:13] <pleia2> and yeah, brainstorming on that doc on topics
[17:13] <dpm> \o/
[17:13] <dpm> yeah, so for those not familiar to the topic, essentially, that is the context ^
[17:13] <pleia2> seeking to narrow it down to a few talking points that we can bring up as CLS sessions to talk to the broader community... community about to see who has similar issues, advice, etc
[17:14] <pleia2> then on Monday/Tuesday we're going to talk about them more Ubuntu-specificy and see what action items can come out of it
[17:14] <pleia2> so I might as well just dive on in with what I think is important, since others couldn't make it
[17:14] <dpm> exactly
[17:14] <dpm> ok, cool
[17:15] <pleia2> 1. Declining participation
[17:15] <pleia2> the document notes this both for LoCos and Summits
[17:15] <pleia2> seems that's one that will have broad appeal
[17:16] <dpm> I suggested to pick a few (5, but it doesn't need to be this exact number)
[17:16] <pleia2> 2. Community cohesion
[17:16] <pleia2> I think we've lost a lot since having UDS in person, not sure how others have been feeling
[17:17] <pleia2> obviously doing UDS again isn't the answer (for all the reasons Canonical stopped doing them) but I feel quite disconnected these days
[17:17] <pleia2> 3. Barriers related to [the perception of] company-driven control and development
[17:18] <pleia2> perception of closed door dealings, invite-only sprints, employees treating community members like customers at events
[17:19] <dpm> I've just changed to docs points to numbers to make it easier to refer to them
[17:19] <dpm> pleia2, would the "declining participation" topic map to any of the existing ones in the doc, or shall we just add a new one?
[17:19] <dpm> I could see it being part of 3. or 5.
[17:19] <dpm> but as we were talking about generalizing them, we might just rewrite it
[17:19] <dpm> for the record, I also think that one is important
[17:19]  * dpm takes notes
[17:20] <dpm> I'd also pick "lack of a new generation of leaders"
[17:20] <pleia2> dpm: re declining participation, I'd put 2 & 3 from the google doc together
[17:20] <pleia2> and 5
[17:20] <pleia2> ++ lack of new leaders
[17:20] <pleia2> my #2 maps to 12 on the document
[17:21] <Cprofitt_> I think 9 and 12 are important, but will not be in attendance. I will submit some thoughts on both before the event if they are chosen.
[17:21] <pleia2> and my #3 to 8, 9 and 10
[17:21] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: thanks
[17:22] <pleia2> Iseug s 7 too
[17:22] <ochosi> without wanting to disrupt your meeting, i'm here now
[17:22] <pleia2> er, "I guess"
[17:22] <pleia2> ochosi: thanks!
[17:22] <dpm> Cprofitt_, your feedback will be really useful, thanks!
[17:22] <pleia2> those are the important ones for me
[17:23]  * dpm takes notes
[17:23] <Cprofitt_> Overall I am concerned with the CC taking a. more active roll in developing opportunities for community involvement.
[17:23] <dpm> thanks pleia2
[17:24] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: you want the CC to take a more active roll, or not?
[17:24] <Cprofitt_> Both development and non development work.
[17:24] <pleia2> *role
[17:24] <Cprofitt_> More active
[17:25] <pleia2> that might be a different conversation, we're already quite busy as it is, I can't speak for everyone but I wouldn't have time to add to my CC workload
[17:25] <Cprofitt_> I think the current passive roll is not serving the community as well as an active role would
[17:26] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: maybe an agenda item for our next CC meeting?
[17:26] <pleia2> I'd like to hear from other CC members on this, maybe I'm just more busy than most :)
[17:26] <dpm> without being in the CC, I also think it's an important topic, but it might be a bit too specific for CLS. Happy to join another meeting if it's part of the agenda and I can help in any way with the discussion
[17:27] <pleia2> dpm: so we have 4 topics, shall we each submit one at CLS? (you, mhall119, czajkowski and me)
[17:27] <dpm> that would be quite a good match, yeah
[17:28] <dpm> I think if we feel we need to have an extra one, we can add it to the meeting outside of CLS
[17:28] <pleia2> sounds good
[17:28] <pleia2> dpm: anything else you wanted to talk about now?
[17:29] <dpm> pleia2, not specifically, I had a call with Jono about logistics, perhaps we can discuss it offline after this meeting has finished? It's about the organization and schedule for the meeting, but I'm not sure it's interesting for anyone other than the attendees
[17:30] <pleia2> dpm: outside meeting sounds good, thanks
[17:30] <pleia2> I'll also do a blog post later today about our plans, might be some more community feedback I can grab too
[17:30] <dpm> excellent
[17:31] <dpm> then I think that was all I had, in any case, we'll see each other in person before starting - you said you'd be there for the pre-CLS evening event, IIRC?
[17:31] <pleia2> dpm: thanks for coming, and again for handling logistics
[17:31] <pleia2> I'm really excited that we were able to arrange this all in short notice :)
[17:31] <dpm> yeah :)
[17:31] <pleia2> dpm: yep, I get to Portland around 3:30PM tomorrow
[17:31] <Cprofitt_> I view it as a framework as we discuss the items on the list for cls
[17:31] <pleia2> so I'll go to the pre-event thing Friday night
[17:31] <dpm> pleia2, cool, I think I'll be there at around 18:00, so I'm planning to be at the pre-event too
[17:32] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: think you could send a mail to the CC list about it and we'll follow up next meeting?
[17:32] <pleia2> dpm: great, see you tomorrow! :)
[17:32] <dpm> \o/
[17:32]  * pleia2 needs to pack
[17:32] <pleia2> ok, let's move this meeting along
[17:32] <pleia2> #topic Xubuntu catch-up
[17:32] <pleia2> hi ochosi and Unit193!
[17:32] <Unit193> I'm not here.
[17:32] <Cprofitt_> Yes
[17:33] <Cprofitt_> When I get home tomorrow morning
[17:33] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: great, thanks
[17:34] <ochosi> pleia2: note that i've never been part of a CC meeting so i might have to be told what is expected of me or what you'd like to know
[17:34] <pleia2> ochosi: oh! so we pretty much just say hello, make sure things are going well with Xubuntu, see if there are any problems we can help with or anything
[17:35] <pleia2> we found that teams weren't coming to us with problems, so check in once a cycle gives them an opportunity to have our ear for a bit
[17:35]  * pleia2 switchhat
[17:35] <ochosi> heh, i see
[17:35] <pleia2> as xubuntu community member, I've been really impressed with the work lately
[17:35]  * micahg_work isn't here either
[17:35] <pleia2> 15.04 was a great release (woo Xfce 4.12)
[17:36]  * Unit193 high fives micahg_work.
[17:36] <ochosi> right, so far things are running smoothly. the only not-smooth thing was elfy leaving xubuntu and the larger community, that was unexpected and fairly sad. and to be frank, i havent understood what was going on there (have to admit though that i also wanted to stay out of that kubuntu conflict so i didn't do too much reading)
[17:37] <pleia2> yeah, obviously the CC feels the elfy-loss pain right with you :(
[17:37] <ochosi> other than that i have the feeling we have a great team
[17:37]  * pleia2 switchhat again
[17:37] <pleia2> how is testing going without him?
[17:38] <ochosi> well, we decided to do more exploratory, RL testing with 15.10 due to a lack of contribution in the QA area
[17:38]  * pleia2 nods
[17:38] <ochosi> so in this sense it's just that we have less people doing those tests and nobody coordinating them for the moment
[17:38] <ochosi> i hope we'l have time to figure that out after 15.10
[17:38] <pleia2> yeah :\
[17:39] <pleia2> hope so!
[17:39] <pleia2> anything else on your mind?
[17:39] <pleia2> we're going to chat with the studio team in a moment, and I know there's some overlap because Xfce
[17:40] <ochosi> not really, i mean we're always happy to gain more contributors, but that seems hard these days
[17:40] <micahg_work> I think overall Xubuntu is doing well, there's more work happening in Debian and most of the Xubuntu devs have Debian Xfce VCS access
[17:40] <ochosi> i read that you mentioned a lack of influx of new members and/or leaders, i would say that is true for xubuntu too
[17:40] <pleia2> hopefully we'll get some tips from other community leadership summit folks this weekend to help that situation ubuntu-wide
[17:40] <pleia2> micahg_work: that's wonderful to hear
[17:40] <pleia2> ochosi: nods
[17:41] <ochosi> i mean many of you know that here, but in xubuntu we've been pretty much the same team for 2 years or so
[17:41] <ochosi> the upside is that we have a stable team, but the downside is that there is obviously little influx of fresh energy/womanpower
[17:41] <pleia2> yeah, totally
[17:41] <pleia2> and when people do need to leave, there's no replacement
[17:42] <ochosi> and i would argue that partly this is due to xfce being a bit dormant, and partly due to developments like RL UDS not taking place anymore
[17:42]  * pleia2 nods
[17:42] <ochosi> i really feel you when you say you feel "disconnected" at times
[17:42]  * ochosi hasn't been to FOSDEM or any other FOSS conferrence in more than two years
[17:43] <pleia2> hah, yeah, I went to FOSDEM this year but none of my xubuntu friends did! ;)
[17:43] <ochosi> yeah, it used to be *the* meeting place for xfce folks
[17:43]  * micahg_work hasn't been to one for almost 3 :(
[17:43] <pleia2> yeah
[17:44]  * Unit193 has never been to one.
[17:44] <ochosi> there's that downside of being spread across continents again...
[17:45]  * pleia2 nods
[17:45] <pleia2> ok, well looking at the clock I think we can migrate into chatting about ubuntu studio
[17:45] <ochosi> well but to end this on a positive note: my general impression of the xubuntu community is really good, i don't see any troubles ahead
[17:45] <pleia2> thanks for your feedback ochosi, this is super userful
[17:45] <pleia2> yay :)
[17:45] <micahg_work> I wonder if a virtual Xubuntu hangout (or FOSS equivalent) once in a while would help
[17:45] <ochosi> no worries
[17:46] <holstein> personally, i feel ubuntustudio's move to xfce was very timely.. and the xubuntu team has really helped keep it going.. with testing assistance.. etc
[17:46] <ochosi> micahg_work: yeah, we once tried that and it was great, but there were some privacy concerns about putting those meetings online
[17:46] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Studio catch up
[17:46] <pleia2> hey holstein!
[17:46] <pleia2> holstein: that's great to hear
[17:48] <pleia2> holstein: studio is just doing LTS releases, right?
[17:48] <holstein> nope
[17:48] <holstein> though, i think that would be something worth discussing
[17:48] <pleia2> oh, sorry :)
[17:49] <pleia2> any place you see currently stuck or struggling with? (particularly that the CC might be able to help with?)
[17:50] <holstein> well, the team is just quite small..
[17:50] <holstein> zequence is really the only "code contributor", as far as i see
[17:51]  * pleia2 nods
[17:51] <holstein> i need to personally free up more time to contribute setting up meetings, etc. otherwise, we dont have meetings
[17:51] <pleia2> meetings are deceptively hard to keep going
[17:52] <holstein> and, we may not need to.. but, , AFAICT, the team lead position is handed off, and has been, for years, in private, to a person who gets burned out after a few cycles
[17:52] <pleia2> I know how that goes :( so are you kind of functioning without a lead?
[17:52] <holstein> zequence has been the lead, and doing a great job of it
[17:53] <pleia2> oh good
[17:55] <holstein> its great to see the xubuntu team, and the regularity.. the stable development
[17:55] <pleia2> well, anything else before we wrap up?
[17:55]  * pleia2 nods
[17:55] <holstein> taking care of business!
[17:56] <pleia2> :)
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks for joining us, holstein
[17:57] <holstein> pleia2: cheers!
[17:57] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:57] <pleia2> I think that's it, and I'm the last CC person here, so :)
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks everyone, looking forward to CLS this weekend
[17:57] <pleia2> #endmeeting


[00:02] <Phruis> [20072.170126] audit: type=1400 audit(1575346582.716:107): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.gnome-calculator.gnome-calculator" name="/home/myname/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/icons/hicolor/24x24@2/apps/" pid=25774 comm="gnome-calculato" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[00:03] <Phruis> dude
[00:03] <Phruis> snap doesn't even use its own files?
[00:03] <Phruis> using flatpak?
[00:05] <sarnold> the gnome libraries likely try to load personal configs from a handful of wellknown paths
[00:09] <Phruis> i really am not liking snaps
[02:46] <DirtyEar> Hi. I was looking for some extra effects for bass o guitar and I found the tubeAmp but I do not know how to intall it. Somebody could help me? this is the page I found https://github.com/olegkapitonov/Kapitonov-Plugins-Pack
[02:50] <sarnold> heh, that README is a bit thin on details..
[02:52] <sarnold> how wedded are you to that one in particular? apt-cache search tube amp returns a few packages that look like they may do something similar; check out guitarix and zam-plugins
[03:04] <DirtyEar> Thanks for answer
[03:05] <DirtyEar> I just tried to go to the folder, enter in a terminal but when I type: make, console shows me an error
[03:08] <sarnold> DirtyEar: first step, run sudo apt install build-essential
[03:10] <DirtyEar> sarnold thanks for anwer, I am new with ubuntu. I have ubuntuStudio 19.10.  I'll do
[03:12] <DirtyEar> I have already installed the tools
[03:17] <sarnold> DirtyEar: alright, then start up: sudo apt install libcairo2-dev libboost-dev libfftw3-dev
[03:18] <sarnold> DirtyEar: oh sweet, faust looks like it's also packaged, sudo apt install faust
[03:18] <Abhijit> Hi. After Brave browsder crashed due to heavy load from multiple tabs, my OS touchpad and wireless mouse both stopped working. i tried reinstalling drivers for touchpad which did not helped. any idea how can I fix it? keyboard do not have any button to enable/disable touchpad.
[03:19] <sarnold> did you try a reboot?
[03:20] <Abhijit> yes several times.
[03:21] <DirtyEar> sarnold: Ok. What I have to do know?
[03:22] <sarnold> DirtyEar: cool, now re-try whichever make command you were running
[03:26] <DirtyEar> sarnold: Thanks, I just waiting for Faust to finish
[03:26] <roothorick> I swear I saw a way to do this but I can't find it. I want to keep network interfaces up during shutdown so I can send a command to a UPS over the network to turn off the outlet groups the system is plugged in to. I distinctly remember being a relevant setting
[03:26] <roothorick> seeing a relevant setting*
[03:27] <roothorick> the machine is running 18.04 Server if it matters
[03:30] <sarnold> roothorick: alright, this is HUGE GUESS territory for me
[03:30] <sarnold> roothorick: check out systemctl cat systemd-networkd.service
[03:30] <sarnold> roothorick: notice that there's a: Conflicts=shutdown.target
[03:31] <sarnold> roothorick: *try* to do the systemctl edit systemd-networkd.service -- try adding two lines, [Unit]   and Conflicts=
[03:31] <sarnold> roothorick: then systemctl daemon-reload, systemctl cat systemd-networkd.service   and see if that Conflicts= line has been removed..
[03:34] <roothorick> I remember there being a much cleaner way than that
[03:34] <roothorick> also the manpage says "Dynamic configuration applied by networkd may also optionally be left in place on shutdown."
[03:36] <sarnold> oof. so it does: "When systemd-networkd exits, it generally leaves existing network devices and configuration intact."  https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-networkd.html#
[03:36] <sarnold> I missed that while skimming the manpage before suggesting this crazy thing :)
[03:36] <roothorick> so, in theory, this should Just Work(TM)
[03:47] <thyriaen> Hello - i am looking for any ubuntu derivate where i can get the eoan base and i would like to install it without a gui on a i386 machine
[03:47] <thyriaen> i know ubuntu does no longer support i386
[03:48] <thyriaen> however i found a lubuntu minimal install which was available for i386 for 18.10
[03:48] <thyriaen> is there something similar for 19.10 ?
[03:49] <sarnold> why not stick with 18.04 LTS, which will be supported on i386 for a while?
[03:51] <C0nundrum> Has anyone used apache cloudstacks ?
[03:51] <thyriaen> sarnold because i unfortunatly need libc6 greater than 2.28
[03:58] <sarnold> thyriaen: oh weird, normally the problem is that the 32bit thing is *ancient* otherwise you'd just rebuild it..
[03:59] <thyriaen> yea well : (
[03:59] <thyriaen> do you have a suggestion which iso of what distro could get me there ?
[04:00] <drama>  thyriaen is this for wine?
[04:00] <sarnold> hmm not offhand.. adelie embraces a wide variety of platforms including 32 bit x86 hardware, but uses musl instead of glibc
[04:01] <sarnold> I don't know enough about fedora to know if they releases a >2.28 glibc on x86, and if they did, how much longer it'd be supported...
[04:03] <thyriaen> drama no
[04:04] <thyriaen> i want to run i3-gaps which needs libc6 > 2.28
[04:05] <sarnold> really?? that's surprising, it's just a WM, right? what features were added in the 2.28 abi that it needs?
[04:05] <thyriaen> sarnold yea i was really confused too
[04:06] <thyriaen> but i really struggle to find anything which does support libc6 AND is an iso for i386 :(
[04:06] <thyriaen> and i really like the ubuntu package manager so i dont really wanna go arch or something
[04:08] <sarnold> https://github.com/Airblader/i3/blob/gaps-next/DEPENDS  -- no mention of a minimum glibc version...
[04:08] <sarnold> maybe they added a hard dep and forgot to update the table but .. I bet you can just rebuild this thing
[04:09] <leftyfb> thyriaen: all this effort just got a particular WM on i386?
[04:11] <leftyfb> thyriaen: you could maybe install 18.10, then upgrade to 19.04 and then 19.10. Again, a lot of effort for a specific WM and on i386.
[04:11] <sarnold> thyriaen: I've got to run.. but my guess -- clone the i3-gaps repo, run autoreconf -fi, mkdir build && cd build && ../configure .... && make
[04:11] <sarnold> thyriaen: I suggest trying it with 18.04 first, that'll be supported the longest
[04:11] <leftyfb> thyriaen: why i386? you know a $35 pi has better performance right?
[04:11] <jayjo> im trying to run a service on each reboot - will the happen if i put a service file in the right directory and use `service enable ...` . ? I'm trying to make sure cloudwatch is shipping logs to a remote location
[04:11] <thyriaen> i tried with 18.04
[04:11] <leftyfb> jayjo: look into systemd units
[04:12] <drama> roll your own deb distro fro i3-gaps and run WoW for fun
[05:15] <ColdKeyboard> I'm still getting Ubuntu Server crashes on AMD (log -> https://pastebin.com/ygUDCPcN) ACPI Error: Could not allocate 15 bytes (20170831/nsnames-344)
[05:15] <ColdKeyboard> I've updated the mbo to the latest BIOS but that doesn't seem to fix the issue
[05:15] <Fudge> how bad is this?
[05:15] <Fudge> /dev/sdb1 alignment is offset by 3584 bytes.
[05:15] <Fudge> This may result in very poor performance, (re)-partitioning suggested.
[05:47] <makara> hi. I'm on 19.10. I want to add a DNS server without editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf. I can add a DNS to a particular network connection, but what file is that saved in?
[05:59] <Vuurdraak> makara , i found this : https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/
[05:59] <Vuurdraak> The configuration files are found in /etc/netplan
[06:07] <Vuurdraak> I am wondering if "mount.ntfs-3g" is doing some journaling or other house keeping when the computer has been shut down for 6+ hours , i see the disk reads in the order of 2x 75MB on two NTFS partitions , one an ssd the other a harddisk
[06:08] <Vuurdraak> is this normal behaivoir ?
[06:57] <Raqbit> Hi! I've recently upgraded to 19.10 but I ran into a couple of booting issues:
[06:57] <Raqbit> 1. I get a fallback plymouth theme on boot (Text: "Ubuntu 19.10..."), shutting down shows the new cool bios-logo spinner
[06:57] <Raqbit> 2. I boot into a blank purple-screen (essentially the same color as the background of the plymouth text), I need to hit Ctrl+Alt+2 and then Ctrl+Alt+1 to have the login screen (GDM) show itself.
[06:57] <Raqbit> I've been searching online but could't find anyone with these problems, let alone someone who has fixed them.
[06:57] <Raqbit> For #1 I've been looking through plymouth logs but I wasn't able to decode if anything went wrong. With #2 I have no idea where I need to look.
[06:57] <Raqbit> Can anyone point me into the right direction?
[06:58] <Raqbit> Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise this client sends new messages for newlines >.<
[06:59] <Vuurdraak> it's at least nice formating to make it readable :)
[07:00] <shibboleth> i'm getting a "cmp: eof on /tmp/tmp.***** which is empty" doing dhclient from shell on bionic
[07:00] <shibboleth> file doesn't exist before nor after doing this, what gives?
[07:04] <Vuurdraak> Raqbit, could this be some sort of screensaver/sleep behaveoir  ? like when you need to press escape to login after opening your laptop after closing it ?
[07:04] <Vuurdraak> i mean its weird it pops up after switching tty back and fort
[07:11] <Vuurdraak> Raqbit, maybe reinstalling the whole unity desktop stuff helps ?
[07:15] <Vuurdraak> Raqbit,  like: https://askubuntu.com/questions/95458/how-do-i-reinstall-unity
[07:16] <Raqbit> Vuurdraak, I only get this when doing a cold boot. Standby resumes are fine. Also, this is Ubuntu 19.10 with Gnome, so I doubt reinstalling Unity will help :P
[07:17] <Vuurdraak> ah :')
[07:17] <Vuurdraak> reinstalling gnome then :) ?
[07:18] <Vuurdraak> as those things have something todo also with the login stuff
[07:18] <Vuurdraak> at least the screens
[07:19] <Vuurdraak> i had some login problems when messing with alternating to a different kernel line, and in the end had to reinstall unity to get my login screens properly working again in the gui
[07:21] <Raqbit> Yeah, Although because the fallback-text boot logo issue occurs early in the booting process I think it might be plymouth or graphics drivers to blame. I'm using the i915 driver for the Intel HD Graphics 620 in this particular laptop.
[09:09] <ElectroXexual> Hi, Is there any tool in linux that's like "App data usage" in android? I want to see the data consumed by a process, but not just the current usage.. I want it to be like overall data consumed over past 24 hrs or something like that.
[09:10] <EriC^^> ElectroXexual: internet usage?
[09:11] <ElectroXexual> EriC^^: Yes
[09:11] <EriC^^> ElectroXexual: try "nethogs"
[09:12] <OerHeks> nethogs, bmon, tons of them.. https://www.tecmint.com/linux-network-bandwidth-monitoring-tools/
[09:12] <ElectroXexual> Isn't that just for realtime? I wanted something that'll show me a record of used overtime.
[09:14] <OerHeks> with logging if you like
[09:16] <EriC^^> ElectroXexual: i think it shows sent and received over time
[09:16] <EriC^^> ElectroXexual: i think you'd need to start it and let it record for 24hours then check back
[09:17] <EriC^^> as OerHeks said
[09:19] <ElectroXexual> Ok, I'll try it.
[09:20] <ElectroXexual> 'vnstat' looked like exactly what I want, but not sure it gives data by process..
[09:36] <palooka-jock> Thanks sarnold, will give that a try
[09:39] <ZaZaGX> i'm using debian 10.2 right now. when ubuntu 20.04 comes out. should i switch to ubuntu?
[09:45] <OerHeks> why are you using debian 10.2 right now?
[09:49] <ZaZaGX> Ubuntu 18.04, 18.10 and 19.04 ... when it goes into sleep mode. it corrupts my system. like it would make my firefox all messed up and mess up some of my files
[09:51] <ZaZaGX> since i got this laptop
[09:51] <ZaZaGX> it also says in the Ubuntu cerfication of laptops. that suspend would wake up too slow
[10:02] <marenz> Good day everyone
[10:02] <marenz> We have a problem here: A new laptop HP spectre x360 with ubuntu 19.10. It doesn't recognize any external monitor (tried two different ones) over HDMI
[10:02] <marenz> xrandr keeps saying "disconnected"
[10:03] <marenz> and monitor keeps saying no signal
[10:05] <marenz> It has a intel/nvidia dual video card
[10:05] <marenz> tried both modes
[10:11] <addiks> Hello, i am on 16.04.6 and just installed updates. After updating, my firefox (currently 71.0+build2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) wont start anymore. Starting firefox directly results in the "Mozilla Crash Reporter" window and nothing else. I have now downgraded to "70.0.1+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>" and everything works again (I had to create a new profile). Is there a problem with the new version of firefox in the repo's?
[10:19] <addiks> Here is a crash-log of my firefox 71.0 crashing before the downgrade: https://crash-stats.mozilla.org/report/index/16d07755-ea2d-45f6-8090-2d0240191204
[11:34] <V7> /autojoinem add
[12:25] <hansh> i ran: apt remove --purge mariadb-server mysql-server default-mysql-server
[12:25] <hansh> it uninstalled mariadb-server
[12:25] <hansh> but it left several GB of junk in /var/lib/mysql
[12:25] <hansh> isn't --purge supposed to make sure such garbage is deleted?
[12:26] <hansh> (18.04)
[12:28] <hansh> (while the sql server itself was deleted, it did not delete the on-disk files containing the databases)
[12:28] <hansh> (located in /var/lib/mysql )
[12:32] <trench> hansh: kind of bad if it delete your personal db, if you had problems with the server?
[12:33] <OerHeks> hansh, so that is by design, not junk, just old db
[12:33] <EriC^^> i think purge only removes configs by definition
[12:33] <EriC^^> so stuff in /etc
[12:34] <OerHeks> yeah, else we get: if i remove <x>, it removes me precious data
[12:35] <martiansoul> Hi. I want to record the download time of a page using curl, but as well as the value of field `x-cache` in its header.
[12:36] <martiansoul> How can I do that?
[12:38] <OerHeks> martiansoul, interesting question, read that before these days, homework?
[12:38] <OerHeks> this page maybe a help https://netbeez.net/blog/http-transaction-timing-breakdown-with-curl/
[12:40] <martiansoul> martiansoul no not homework. Also, I also want to have the value of the field `x-cache` in the response header too.
[12:41] <martiansoul> Basically I want to record only the time when there is a cache hit and not a cache miss. that's the value contained in `x-cache`
[12:41] <lmat> I'm using Dell Precision M 4700. I was able to install Ubuntu 19.10 using "safe graphics" mode, but after installing and rebooting into installed system, logging in was successful, but before showing my desktop, the screen continues showing violet or magenta (or whatever that color is), but it has some artifacts in it, and hard drive activity ceases, and nothing can be done except hold the power button until
[12:41] <lmat> the machine powers off.
[12:41] <lmat> How can I get "safe graphics" mode (from the live medium) in my installed environment?
[12:44] <jack> lmat: not sure, i think that's only available for booting live
[12:45] <martiansoul> OerHeks
[12:45] <martiansoul> I want to record only the time when there is a cache hit and not a cache miss. that's the value contained in `x-cache`
[12:46] <OerHeks> martiansoul, the 2nd part with x-cache, i don't know
[12:46] <martiansoul> OerHeks, okay.
[12:46] <OerHeks> maybe the server channel has a clue/
[12:46] <lmat> jack: okay.
[12:46] <OerHeks> #ubuntu-server
[12:46] <martiansoul> OerHeks, thanks
[12:47] <lmat> I've installed ubuntu UEFI; how do I add "nomodeset" to kernel boot parameters?
[12:47] <jack> you can still try to find an util for your gfx-hw
[12:48] <jack> is it nvidia or amd?
[12:50] <lmat> jack: Sorry, are you talking to me? I think I'm AMD.
[12:50] <jack> chances are good then
[12:51] <EriC^^> lmat: did you try sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall?
[12:51] <lmat> EriC^^: nope. sudo apt-get install ubuntu-drivers; ? It did some "hardware configuration" during installation.
[12:52] <lmat> You know what's super? Everything works fine if I unplug the laptop charger.
[12:55] <lmat> EriC^^: I only see apt-get install ubuntu-drivers-common; (using auto complete)
[12:55] <lmat> and it's already installed.
[12:59] <lmat> Heh, even Dell talks about it! https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln306327
[12:59] <lmat> I use UEFI. How do I make it so that my system uses nomodeset on boot?
[13:01] <lmat> oh my...just now reading that ubuntu uses UEFI to run grub which then loads Linux. I think this is normal, but I have always had UEFI just start Linux directly.
[13:03] <lmat> press and hold shift to get to the GRUB menu? Didn't work that time...I'll try again.
[13:04] <lmat> Yeah, didn't work :(
[13:04] <ioria> lmat, if you can boot in the system, you can edit /etc/default/grub and comment the GRUB_TIMEOUT lines and run sudo update-grub
[13:04] <OerHeks> esc perhaps?
[13:04] <lmat> ioria: Will do!
[13:05] <ioria> lmat, but also try 'esc'
[13:05] <lmat> ioria: Yeah, I can boot into it if I unplug the charger :-/
[13:05] <ioria> lmat, interesting
[13:06] <lmat> ioria: not update-grub2? ^_^
[13:08] <lmat> ioria: I did as you said: update-grub, and it is apparent that my changes were regarded because the menu is now shown (GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu now instead of hidden).
[13:09] <ioria> lmat, i see :  go to 'System Settings'  ->  'power' and change the option below
[13:09] <lmat> Hmm, the system didn't boot properly. It's not exactly hung, but there is a blinging cursor in the upper left. When I type, the letters show up there (no prompt).
[13:10] <lmat> Maybe X couldn't start because of nomodeset?
[13:10] <lmat> JK! It's running!
[13:10] <lmat> I guess it took *way* longer because of no KMS
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:12] <ioria> lmat,  nomodeset is a temporary fix
[13:13] <lmat> I clicked "Settings" and I see the power settings. "and change the option below" which option?
[13:15] <ioria> lmat,  i suggest to check 'On Battery Power' and 'When plugged in'
[13:15] <lmat> Um... doesn't say that. Let me get you a screnshot.
[13:16] <ioria> lmat,  what extra parameters are in use atm ?  cat /proc/cmdline
[13:16] <lmat> ioria: root=UUID=.... ro quiet splash nomodeset vt.handoff=7
[13:17] <ioria> lmat,  and why did you set nomodeset ?
[13:17] <lmat> ioria: So I could boot and interact with the machine. Without nomodeset, the machine stops responding shortly after boot. Sometimes I make it to the login screen and login (press enter) before the freeze happens, and the system becomes unresponsive.
[13:18] <ioria> lmat, what 's the spaces ? lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:18] <ioria> *specs
[13:18] <lmat> ioria: Sure. It's a dell M4700. I'll get you specs.
[13:19] <lmat> https://termbin.com/lqf7
[13:25] <lmat> ioria: by the way, here's my power options: https://imgur.com/a/wZBn2Kd
[13:26] <lmat> ioria: I seriously doubt any X settings will help this since KMS is in effect before X starts. (and X is running fine now that I successfully added nomodeset.)
[13:26] <nikolam> Hello. I just have done updating Ubuntu-shipped ZFS packages in 19.10 , but I still can not import disk with newer OpenZFS pool feature, created with illumos/Openindiana, precisely com.delphix:log_spacemap
[13:27] <nikolam> When is Ubuntu planning to update ZFS that it is shipping, to be compatible with com.delphix:log_spacemap , so i can use OpenZFS formatted pool?
[13:29] <ioria> lmat, also the charger problem has been solved with nomodeset ?
[13:29] <lmat> ioria: YES! The charger is plugged in, and the machine is responsive.
[13:30] <lmat> ioria: With KMS, I have to unplug the charger for the system to work. (I'm guessing it's a bug with the driver and my graphics card's power management states...or something.)
[13:30] <lmat> ioria: With nomodeset, the plug is in, and the system is *still* responsive \o/
[13:31] <C0nundrum> Anyone use apache cloudstack ?
[13:31] <lmat> nikolam: Maybe try archlinux? It's a big change from Ubuntu, but you can format the disks however you like.
[13:31] <ioria> lmat, yes, probably a video card power management issue
[13:31] <C0nundrum> Keep getting `There is no secondary storage VM for secondary storage host nfs://<IP_ADDRESS>/export/secondary`
[13:31] <lmat> ioria: Can u fix? giv me the codez
[13:32] <ioria> lmat, try radeon.dpm=1 instead of nomodeset
[13:32] <lmat> ioria: for you, anything.
[13:32] <nikolam> lmat I don't think that is viable solution, when using Ubuntu, but thanks.
[13:33] <lmat> nikolam: no sweat. I hope you can use your openzfs formatted pool soon ^_^
[13:33] <lmat> ioria: poweroff is a lot slower with modeset, too :-)
[13:34] <lmat> ioria: I also thought of trying amdgpu driver, but only glancingly considered it.
[13:35] <nikolam> lmat, so you have com.delphix:log_spacemap feature in OpenZFS packages in Arch Linux? I wonder if it is even in ZOL
[13:36] <lmat> nikolam: I don't know. I just know that Archlinux keeps "newest" upstream versions, so if it's supported in upstream, it's probably supported in arch linux.
[13:36] <lmat> ioria: My system is stuck. I got the login screen, then after logging in, it hung. I'm going to restart and see if it hangs if I wait to log in.
[13:36] <nikolam> luckilly, it is fresh created pool, I can created with older OpenZFS or just by selecting exact features when enabling, just wondering for info about Ubuntu
[13:37] <nikolam> lmat, that is great, yet if it is not inside ZoL, then fat chances it is in Arch, too..
[13:37] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1848399
[13:37] <OerHeks>  it will be in the next major release, not 0.8x https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/pull/8442#issuecomment-511918033
[13:37] <nikolam> Ubuntu maintain it's own OpenZFS, so question stands.
[13:38] <ioria> lmat, amdgpu ?  your card is basically a Capo Verde HD 7700 so it should use 'radeon'
[13:38] <OerHeks> so, be patient
[13:38] <lmat> ioria: Okay. Thanks for the confirmation.
[13:38] <martiansoul> I have a file like this: https://pastebin.com/WJf2ULQL I want to know the fields corresponding to "time_total" and "x-cache"
[13:38] <martiansoul> How can I do this using shell script?
[13:38] <patrickk> Any recommended free control panel for ubuntu?
[13:39] <ioria> lmat, if  radeon.dpm=1 fails , try radeon.dpm=0
[13:39] <lmat> martiansoul: grep -o 'time_total: [^ ]\+' <your file>;  and similar for the other field.
[13:39] <OerHeks> patrickk, control panel fo what exactly
[13:39] <lmat> ioria: Yeah, it failed. I'll try that.
[13:41] <lmat> ioria: My friend, it's working so far!
[13:41]  * lmat looks up this amazing codez
[13:42] <ioria> lmat, test it with something heavy
[13:42] <lmat> oh, dynamic power management. Wow, you hit right on it.
[13:42] <lmat> ioria: Oh, to stress power management? Hmm...I only use terminal ^_^
[13:42] <martiansoul> lmat: it shows time_total: 24.571759, I just want to know the value 24.571759. Is there some way I can trim it?
[13:42] <ioria> lmat, ah, ok
[13:43] <lmat> martiansoul: Oh yeah, I always forget those codez... maybe    grep -o 'time_total: \K[^ ]\+' <your file>;
[13:43]  * lmat bows to ioria
[13:44] <lmat> martiansoul: The other can be    grep -o 'x-cache: \K.*$' <your file>;  maybe
[13:44] <lmat> ioria: How do I stress it? Maybe load up a web page with webgl example?
[13:44] <patrickk> OerHeks To manage the server/files/domains? like a cpanel alternative
[13:45] <martiansoul> lmat:  grep -o 'time_total: \K[^ ]\+' <your file> this shows no output
[13:45] <lmat> ioria: There's some webgl pasta no problem.
[13:45] <ioria> lmat, yeah, try a  1080/720p video stream
[13:45] <lmat> martiansoul: change -o to -oP
[13:45] <OerHeks> ajenti, zpanel, pretty good comparison https://www.znetlive.com/blog/comparison-of-top-11-open-source-hosting-panels/
[13:45] <Cheez> patrickk: that's probably beyond the scope of this channel, but there's plesk. it's not free either like cpanel.
[13:45] <lmat> ioria: Ahh, okay.
[13:45] <patrickk> Ah okay
[13:46] <lmat> ioria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9qzXVlwCY coming right up.
[13:46] <lmat> ioria: Okay, there it goes.
[13:47] <ioria> lmat, good
[13:47] <martiansoul> lmat still nothing. it's showing usage options of grep.
[13:47] <lmat> ioria: very good.
[13:47] <lmat> martiansoul: lol; that's not good. Show me your command? And show the error message grep is giving.
[13:48] <martiansoul> grep -oP 'time_total: \K[^ ]\+' test    :my command, lmat
[13:48] <lmat> martiansoul: I was trying to help you without reproducing on my end. I will try harder now.
[13:49] <lmat> \grep -oP 'time_total: \K[^ ]+' somefile
[13:49] <martiansoul> https://pastebin.com/Q0Y2aSbY this is the output that I get - which is just nothing.
[13:49] <lmat> martiansoul: You see my grep command above? Use that.
[13:49] <lmat> martiansoul: And this will get you x-cache: \grep -oP 'x-cache: \K.*$' somefile
[13:50] <lmat> ioria: Nice music still streaming from once-junk-heap laptop.
[13:50] <martiansoul> lmat  file name is test. so I don't see a difference between the previous command that you wrote and this command. It still gives no output.
[13:50] <martiansoul> *my file name
[13:50] <nikolam> lmat, here is the answer, list of features in master ZfsOnLInux, versus par-system impelemntations and releases. It is not in released version yet. http://build.zfsonlinux.org/zfs-features.html
[13:51] <ioria> lmat, better than mine
[13:51] <lmat> martiansoul: oh? It's different! I changed "\+" to "+"...
[13:51] <lmat> ioria: :( What's going on withy our laptop?
[13:52] <lmat> nikolam: Ah, there may yet be a way to get it in arch linux ^_^ Sometimes they offer pre-release versions.
[13:52] <ioria> lmat, just too old
[13:52] <martiansoul> lmat, oh sorry, didn't notice. But again, I copied and ran - no output
[13:52] <lmat> nikolam: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZFS  search for "zfs-linux-git"
[13:52] <lmat> martiansoul: Would you paste from your terminal including the command you ran and the output you got?
[13:53] <lmat> ioria: Sorry, my friend. If there's anything I can do for you to pay you back for your amazing dpm fix (short of replacing your laptop), please let me know.
[13:53] <martiansoul> lmat - this is the command that I ran  - grep -oP 'time_total: \K[^ ]+' test
[13:53] <martiansoul> and this is the output - https://pastebin.com/Q0Y2aSbY
[13:54] <lmat> martiansoul: well crap... Let me try on ubuntu
[13:54] <nikolam> lmat, it's is not yet included in upstream release.  And I am targeting supported releases.One can always create ZFS pool with just the feature one wants, exactly.
[13:55] <lmat> martiansoul: Whoa, I can reproduce! It doesn't work on ubuntu :-o must have an old version of grep.
[13:56] <lmat> nikolam: cool.
[13:56] <martiansoul> lmat: oh okay.
[13:56] <OerHeks> nikolam, >>  it will be in the next major release, not 0.8x https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/pull/8442#issuecomment-511918033
[14:00] <lmat> martiansoul: Okay, try this:    grep -oP 'time_total: \K.*$' test;
[14:00] <martiansoul> lmat: doesn't work.
[14:03] <lmat> martiansoul: Does sed work for x-cache, too?
[14:05] <martiansoul> lmat yes it works for x-cache too.
[14:05] <lmat> martiansoul: good.
[14:06] <martiansoul> lmat: thanks for your help
[14:09] <elichai2> Hi, when I see here "depends" do these packages depend *on* qtdeclarative5-dev? or the other way around? (does `qtdeclarative5-dev` depend on them?) https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/qtdeclarative5-dev
[14:17] <webstrand> I can't seem to enable nftables.service under Xenial: http://dpaste.com/2MTHSR0
[14:17] <webstrand> Any idea how to fix this?
[14:21] <webstrand> I've tried to replace the service with: http://dpaste.com/37FGAY1 , but that still refuses to enable.
[14:36] <webstrand> It seems I can just ignore the error, the service is enabled correctly
[15:02] <Kristjan1291983> Hey guys !!! Plaese check out a game of clicks on gameofclicks . getenjoyment.net ..... It requires turning on Chrome Experimental features, if they aren't already turned on .. It is interacrive, best players get their names in top players list !
[15:03] <OerHeks> Kristjan1291983, please don't spam, thanks, ubuntu support only
[15:04] <Kristjan1291983> it is in Javascript
[15:04] <Kristjan1291983> It is no spam
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Kristjan1291983,  wrong channel ... period
[15:06] <OerHeks> try #ubuntu-offtopic or put it on askubuntu
[15:24] <enyc> Hrrm...  any suggestons on  which  ubuntu-19.10-variant   (gnome, cinnmon, budgie ??)  can give the best  pretending-to-be-windows-10 theme  impression  available ?!?!?
[15:26] <OerHeks> windows 10 theme.. really?
[15:27] <OerHeks> look at the specs of that theme
[15:27] <enyc> OerHeks: hrrm i had a lot of succes with  mac-os-x  theme with somebody else ;p  get them started in a linux relaly worked well
[15:27] <enyc> OerHeks: i'm now ... asking similar question
[15:27] <OerHeks> btw if linux looks like windows 10, we get sued
[15:27] <enyc> OerHeks: there seem to be a few,  I was wondering if anybody had advice "what works already" ;p
[15:27] <user01> hi does anyone know a tool for quickly labelling images eg. something where like if i have a picture of a family i can quickly draw lines and label "dad" "mom" "brother" "sister" "dog" "cat" etc
[15:27] <enyc> OerHeks: quite, lost may be unofficial addons  rather than ubuntu-provisioned
[15:28] <OerHeks> i am not aware of a windows 10 theme..
[15:28] <OerHeks> url?
[15:28] <user01> maybe like a gimp addon or or somethin
[15:29] <akk> user01: If you have to draw lines manually to point to specific people, personally I'd use gimp though there are other tools.
[15:29] <enyc> OerHeks: http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/transform-your-ubuntu-into-windows-10-look-with-these-gtk-themes  for exaple
[15:29] <akk> I don't think you'll find a gimp plug-in that can identify dad vs. mom vs. sister. :)
[15:29] <OerHeks> gtk, so gnome3
[15:30] <user01> akk, yes but something where i can just drag and create a line then enter text . . .
[15:30] <leftyfb> user01: "convert"
[15:30] <akk> user01: Choose the pen tool, click once for the beginning of the line, shift-click for the end; choose the text tool, click, enter text.
[15:30] <user01> gimp manually without a plugin is a lot of manual steps
[15:31] <akk> I'm not sure how you could reduce the steps more than that given that you need to specify the line endpoints, the text position and the label contents.
[15:31] <leftyfb> user01: though, you'll need to write a script that opens the picture and asks you to identify it, then it labels it once you close the picture
[15:31] <user01> akk, the lines dont look great just doing that
[15:31] <akk> user01: What's wrong with them?
[15:31] <leftyfb> enyc: http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/transform-your-ubuntu-into-windows-10-look-with-these-gtk-themes
[15:32] <akk> user01: Maybe you need  to specify exactly what you need for the lines.
[15:33] <user01> akk, compared to a nice tikz output they dont look nice
[15:33] <leftyfb> user01: "convert" will do what you want. You'll need to spend some time and effort writing out the scripting to accomplish what you want
[15:33] <user01> leftyfb, ok let me check out that app
[15:33] <leftyfb> user01: it's a commandline tool
[15:34] <leftyfb> user01: it's part of the imagemagick toolset
[15:35] <akk> convert is going to require a lot of extra work to figure out the coordinates
[15:35] <leftyfb> akk: correct
[15:35] <akk> and the lines will probably come out looking the same as gimp's.
[15:35] <osse> MS Paint sure is nice.
[15:35] <leftyfb> osse: can we help you with something?
[15:35] <akk> You really need to figure out what you need different about the lines; "not nice compared to tikz" (whatever that is) isn't specific enough to figure out what you're after.
[15:37] <akk> Maybe if you had screenshots of one vs. the other.
[15:37] <enyc> leftyfb: coo, GTK themes there specifies explicitly  mate, cinnamon, xfce, gnome
[15:37] <enyc> leftyfb: thankyou =)
[15:37] <leftyfb> enyc: I googled for "ubuntu windows 10 theme"
[15:37] <OerHeks> krita, pinta, mypaint are pretty easy for drawing and text in pics
[15:38] <akk> (That convo might be better suited to #gimp-users on gimpnet than #ubuntu, though.)
[15:38] <OerHeks> draw - ctrl z to wipe - draw again
[15:39] <enyc> leftyfb: right yes, thouh i was interested in if anyody had $clue "what works, in practice"  aspect
[15:40] <leftyfb> enyc: that is a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:40] <user01> sorry im a bit laggy i didnt think writing 5tb of 0's would use up so many resources
[15:45] <user01> going to jump on another laptop brb -- they joys of "pv -tpreb /dev/zero | dd of=/dev/mapper/harddrive bs=128M" on a 5tb disk :(
[16:09] <osse> leftyfb: I typed out something that was supposed to remain inside my head.
[16:10] <osse> akk: tikz is essentially programmatic drawing inside latex. it's pretty useful, but not in this case I think.
[16:17] <paranoidi> any idea what service/process is broken/sending me this spam https://pastebin.com/uQM9Sfg2 ?
[16:19] <paranoidi> nothing relevant is in smartmontools configs either ..
[16:24] <amosbird> Hello, how can I install meson 0.52 on ubuntu 18?
[16:24] <amosbird> do I need to acquire some ppa?
[16:26] <EriC^^> !info meson bionic
[16:26] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/meson/+packages give 0.45 ..
[16:26] <OerHeks> this ppa gives 0.52 ... else use pip3 ? https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/meson?field.series_filter=bionic
[16:26] <OerHeks> https://mesonbuild.com/Getting-meson.html
[16:27] <OerHeks> i would upgrade to Eoan
[16:27] <ioria> amosbird, https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/meson
[16:28] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | amosbird
[16:33] <ramsub07> Hi, How do I grant access only to a specific user to a particular directory ?
[16:35] <EriC^^> ramsub07: you could make him as the owner and group and set chmod to 770
[16:35] <ramsub07> EriC^^:  770 is read write and execute?
[16:35] <EriC^^> sudo chown $USER: /path/to/dir && chmod 770 /path/to/dir
[16:36] <EriC^^> ramsub07: yeah
[16:38] <ramsub07> also how do i make directory accessible by a group?
[16:38] <ramsub07> maybe change owner of that directory from user -> group?
[16:39] <EriC^^> ramsub07: set the group to the group you want access to
[16:40] <EriC^^> set the user to "root" or something else
[16:47] <amosbird> gio-2.0 not found
[16:47] <amosbird> hmm, what package should I install for that?
[16:57] <pavlos> amosbird: sudo apt install libglib2.0-dev
[16:59] <amosbird> thanks
[16:59] <amosbird> hmm, libfribidi ppa is required
[16:59] <amosbird> where can I find ppa that provides libfribidi > 1?
[17:03] <OerHeks> on launchpad?
[17:04] <OerHeks> or go wild, libfribidi-dev ?
[17:04] <amosbird> sudo apt-get install gnutls-bin
[17:04] <amosbird> hmm
[17:04] <amosbird> is there a gnutls-dev?
[17:11] <Aavar> Hi. I am having issues with firefox on 19.10 and office365. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? This is a brand new firefox profile. https://imgur.com/mFbca9U
[17:15] <leftyfb> Aavar: that has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[17:15] <leftyfb> Aavar: Contact Microsoft for support
[17:17] <Aavar> leftyfb: It is infact something with firefox on ubuntu :) I tried Chromium and it works great. Also firefox (same version) on windows.
[17:18] <rayzorben> not sure where i can get support for this. in a docker container i need linux-tools-`uname -r` which is 5.4.1-zen2-1-zen, but there is no apt-get package which matches. any idea how i can get linux tools for this kernel ?
[17:18] <hggdh> Aavar: then perhaps you need to clear the FFox cache
[17:19] <Aavar> hggdh: brand new profile unfortunately.
[17:20] <amosbird> hmmm, what package should I install to fix this  ERROR: Dependency "gobject-introspection-1.0" not found, tried pkgconfig
[17:21] <hggdh> rayzorben: there is no kernel 5.4 released by Ubuntu on published versions
[17:21] <hggdh> rayzorben: so you probably got this kernel somewhere else -- check there
[17:22] <leftyfb> hggdh: It looks like they're running ubuntu in a docker container on a VPS.
[17:22] <Aavar> amosbird: I believe it is called gobject-introspection
[17:23] <JonelethIrenicus> how many containers can you fit in your container?
[17:23] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: can we help you with something?
[17:23] <JonelethIrenicus> container inception
[17:23] <amosbird> Aavar: it doesn't work
[17:24] <amosbird> as it doesn't have -dev?
[17:24] <rayzorben> hggdh, I am running arch, ubuntu is the container. this is probably one of those weird situations that there isnt much I can do about it
[17:24] <amosbird> well, I'm not sure, but after installing it, it still errors
[17:24] <Aavar> amosbird: what are you installing? in the first place.
[17:24] <hggdh> rayzorben: so your Ubuntu container is running under the Arch kernel, correct?
[17:25] <amosbird> Aavar: building libvte
[17:26] <amosbird> btw, how can I list all the installed files of gobject-introspection?
[17:26] <leftyfb> Aavar: gobject-introspection provides /usr/share/gobject-introspection-1.0
[17:26] <leftyfb> amosbird: dpkg -S gobject-introspection
[17:27] <amosbird> ok
[17:27] <amosbird> weird, it must somehow confuse meson
[17:28] <rayzorben> hggdh, correct
[17:35] <hggdh> rayzorben: then yo need to look at the Arch repositories. The package will not exist in Ubuntu
[17:37] <ncuxo> Hello I have lost my phone and I'm stuck with my gf old iPhone
[17:38] <ncuxo> now I have troubles transferring files from ubuntu to the device
[17:39] <ncuxo> do I need some special library because online I've found information about http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ and it seems outdated
[18:00] <benergy> Hey guys, I am trying to accomplish two - somewhat conflicting - things at the same time: I need my files to have some metadata I can easily set and change (like "date when this invoice was sent/paid") and at the same time they should be easy to sync using unison. This usually breaks DMS solutions with databases in the background...
[18:01] <benergy> Does anyone know how to get this razor-thin layer of metadata, easily accessible and changeable from the file manager?
[18:02] <benergy> Maybe a file manager which allows adding custom attributes for ext4?
[18:03] <rbasak> Not unison, but git-annex has its own sync features and supports metadata for annexed files
[18:04] <rbasak> I believe it has some form of GUI - web based I think?
[18:09] <benergy> rbasak: Thanks, it's an interesting concept.
[18:11] <ioria> benergy, i don't know about  unison, but can't you simply set the metadata with setfattr ?
[18:11] <amosbird> hmm, what packages do I need to   libXpm libjpeg libgif/libungif libtiff
[18:13] <pgpfox> Hey.. I have NVIDIA 970 on my laptop and when i try to start Total War II: Warhammer, i get this output: "Game crashed with signal 6. Vulkan device has no suitable graphics queue families. You may be able to relaunch the game to send the crash log automatically." .. Anybody knows how i can fix this?
[18:13] <jack> is there a libtga?
[18:14] <benergy> ioria: Yeah, I found that command. If there was some file manager with this option, that'd be great...
[18:16] <iffraff> Hi, I hope I'm not boreing y'all, I'm bring up my topic again about when my computer is idle for ~10 min or something, wehn I come back and log in all or most of my windows are all collapsed on eachother
[18:16] <Menzador|Work> iffraff: Collapsed how?
[18:18] <benergy> Of course, I could also start all my files with a date, but I'm sure there must be a better way...
[18:19] <iffraff> Menzador|Work: so indtead of being placed where I placed them, they are all on top of eachother.  It's a laptop but generally I have it hooked up to external screens
[18:21] <ioria> benergy, you can try Dolphin  ->  Details View Mode , you  can add columns and stuff
[18:21] <benergy> ioria: Awesome, I'll try that right away!
[18:21] <ioria> iffraff, still using compiz on 18.04 ?
[18:22] <iffraff> hello again. yes I went into compizconfig -> window management -> window placement and set it up as per the suggestions for your link, but no dice
[18:23] <ioria> iffraff,  i didn't post a link ....
[18:24] <ioria> iffraff,  but ok, so you are using Unity ?
[18:24] <pgpfox> Hey.. I have NVIDIA 970 on my laptop and when i try to start Total War II: Warhammer, i get this output: "Game crashed with signal 6. Vulkan device has no suitable graphics queue families. You may be able to relaunch the game to send the crash log automatically." .. Anybody knows how i can fix this?
[18:24] <iffraff> well, then! I did not! :)  Someone posted a SO link where someone explained how to correct the problem via those settings
[18:24] <iffraff> yes.  That is what comes with ubuntu 18.04  right? gnome3 I think?
[18:25] <iffraff> ah you suggested I try a different window manager.  I'm, a little hesitant to do that, as I'm not sure what I"ll be giving up. Or if I'll have to relearn a bunch of basic stuff
[18:26] <OerHeks> so, spreading windows over 2 or more monitors, and you wonder that they group on one screen, when the others are disabled?
[18:27] <iffraff> a) I'm not wondering. I don't care.  I just want it to stop.  and b) they are all in one corner of the monitor.
[18:27] <benergy> ioria: Dolphin does give me more display options than nemo, to be sure. It doesn't allow me to edit these, however. Setfattr also fails, probably it's not set up correctly.
[18:28] <benergy> ioria: I'm afraid I will have to use a DMS instead, in spite of the overhead, and look for a way to sync it without breaking the database ... ;)
[18:28] <OerHeks> gnome-tweak-tool gives workspaces , standard 'dynamic', so change to static
[18:29] <OerHeks> that gives static 4 desktops, if you want to, and the windows stay spread over monitors > virtual desktop
[18:29] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[18:30] <iffraff> OerHeks: interesting. Well, I did have it set to Dynamic so I've just changed it to static.  This is one of those fun problems that to iterate on you must wait. So I'll see if this works later.
[18:30] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:31] <iffraff> But I wonder, why this setting affects how the windows are set?
[18:31] <iffraff> For contect, I don't really use other workspaces,  I just use the one mostly
[18:31] <OerHeks> automatic suggested setting, what happens when one monitor disappears, it regroups
[18:32] <ioria> iffraff,  nope, what comes with ubuntu 18.04 is gnome-shell (and it does not use compiz)
[18:33] <iffraff> ioria: hmm, also interesting.  I've installed compizconfig and I love it!  just kidding, I don't know if it does anything.  Now I'm guessing not.
[18:33] <ioria> iffraff,  compiz simply  does not affect gnome-shell
[18:34] <ioria> iffraff,  it's like not having it at all
[18:34] <iffraff> I figured.
[18:36] <iffraff> so is there anyh gnome-shell specific reason/fixes that come to mind?
[18:37] <ioria> iffraff,  if you installed compiz (without unity) i suggest you remove it
[18:38] <benergy> This may sound *really* weird - and no, I'm not new to either computing or Linux - but is there something like a "file filetype"? Meaning: a structured folder, to hold together multiple files in order, like a physical file?
[18:38] <iffraff> I"ll do that now
[18:39] <benergy> If this existed, I could sync these "meta-files" and still have conversations, invoices, business processes structured inside...
[18:39] <wonko> Are there known issues with the us mirror? I'm trying to install npm on 19.10 and it explodes trying to install node_inherits with a checksum/filesize mismatch.
[18:40] <wonko> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GpyhrKW5qh/
[18:51] <Juesto> Hello, Why PPAs don't appear to provide changelogs through apt?
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> Juesto: PPAs are completely maintained by the PPA owner and are unsupported. Changelogs would be done by the PPA owner.
[18:53] <Juesto> I see, apparently most ppas dont use changelogs through apt :/
[18:53] <Juesto> thanks Eickmeyer
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> Juesto: It has nothing to do with apt, more to do with the packaging.
[18:53] <Juesto> the package does include a changelog
[18:53] <Juesto> synaptic and apt-changelog are unable to retreive them
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Juesto: Then the PPA owner isn't doing it properly.
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> Juesto: what is this package you use a ppa for?
[18:54] <Juesto> Essentially: every ppa owner
[18:54] <Juesto> Does it matter? I only asked about PPA changelogs... lotuspsychje
[18:55] <OerHeks> this could filter changelogs, if the ppa owner gives them
[18:55] <OerHeks> https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/latest_logs
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> Juesto: we could try to suggest it the ubuntu way
[18:55] <Juesto> Sure, there's just too many.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> If you're adding a ton of PPAs, you're bound to run into problems.
[18:56] <OerHeks> most ppa owners do publish, like https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/meson/+packages
[18:56] <OerHeks> (changes file)
[18:56] <Juesto> I am meaning PPAs external to ubuntu
[18:56] <Juesto> say a distro such as elementaryos or ubuntu-x-swat
[18:56] <OerHeks> ppa is internal on launchpad, external repos you mean?
[18:56] <Juesto> wait i'll check the last one
[18:57] <Juesto> ppa.launchpad.net apparently is not a source with changelogs.
[18:58] <Juesto> OerHeks: I am talking about the apt changelog retrieving facility
[19:02] <OerHeks> Juesto, apt-listchanges <package.deb>  does what you want, but not/not always for ppa packages
[19:16] <Juesto> OerHeks: that's what i am meaning and synaptic "get changelogs" button does the same thing, i do not like apt-listchanges because it pauses installation process most of the time.
[19:37] <jack> help...the installer is hanging in a loop
[19:37] <jack> Dec  4 20:37:44 caine kernel: [68888.798213] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_autowakeup: Error - Device failed to wakeup
[19:37] <jack> Dec  4 20:37:46 caine kernel: [68890.793953] ieee80211 phy0: rt2500usb_set_device_state: Error - Device failed to enter state 3 (-16)
[19:38] <jack> for hours already
[19:38] <jack> how do i get out of that? just unplug all usb crap?
[19:41] <IaMnEwHeRe> jack looks like it, some devices cannot be woken up apparently
[19:45] <Gigabitten> odd. I want to simplify my terminal prompt down, and I've used `export PS1='\[\e[35m\]\w> '` to do so. This works fine. When I put this in ~/.bashrc, however, although some other things defined in .bashrc work, this doesn't. Why is that?
[19:45] <sarnold> jack: probably removing the USB NIC would be enough
[19:46] <jack> just removed 2 memory sticks and a cam
[19:47] <patrickk> Hello, I am going to setup multiple websites on a vps with ubuntu 18.04. What is the best proceedure in terms of security for this? Should the php user be www-data or should I create a new user for each site?
[19:47] <jack> but that "device failed to wakeup" keeps repeating :/
[19:48] <jack> kernel: [69530.303072] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_autowakeup: Error - Device failed to wakeup
[19:48] <IaMnEwHeRe> patrickk classically you would have a group apache and the users share and you would make a directory in the users home-folder a doc-root
[19:49] <IaMnEwHeRe> these days I would advocate containers though, e.g. Kubernetes, Docker-Swarm, etc.
[19:49] <jack> wish i knew which crapdevice that is
[19:50] <sarnold> jack: "ieee80211 phy0:" --> NIC
[19:51] <sarnold> patrickk: depends; if all the websites are *you* and you don't care much, sure, one user is fine
[19:51] <sarnold> patrickk: if all the websites are different people paying you to host websites, give everybody their own user id at a minimum; better is everyone gets their own VM. lxd instances if they're friendly to each other.
[19:52] <patrickk> sarnold yeah but what I am concerned about it, if one website gets infected, will the others be too?
[19:52] <sarnold> patrickk: yes, if they are all under one uid, that's a very real possibility.
[19:54] <jack> sarnold, dang...so it's my usb hub itself?
[19:54] <jack> this sucks
[19:54] <sarnold> jack: maybe; if you can remove the hub and connect your NIC directly to your computer and it works fine, then yeah. but unplugging the NIC alone may be fine
[19:55] <jack> :/
[19:55] <patrickk> and that user should be just a normal user and not a sudo user right?
[19:57] <rfm> Gigabitten, since .bashrc isn't run for login shells, people usually run it from .profile (or .bash_profile).  If .bashrc isn't the last thing there, maybe PS1 gets reset in .profile/.bash_profile?
[19:58] <Gigabitten> ah, okay
[19:58] <sarnold> patrickk: right; whichever account runs code ought to have as few privileges as possible -- eg just to write to the database socket and write log files
[19:58] <ioria> jack, you maybe can just turn off the power management
[19:59] <sarnold> patrickk: I strongly dislike the debian default of www-data owning the data *and* the processes. it feels so easy to do better..
[19:59] <jack> how/where?
[19:59] <ioria> jack, something like 'iwconfig wlan0 power off '
[20:00] <patrickk> sarnold That's what has happened in my vps now, one site got infected and it kinda spread to other sites...
[20:00] <jack> thx! trying...
[20:00] <sarnold> patrickk: of course even with user separation, if you're running all the sites on the same software, they might just be multiply compromised
[20:03] <patrickk> er so what's the best way to make sure if one site gets infected, the others don't?
[20:03] <jack> wlan0 is wlx0012bf5208cb in fact, but this looks promising :)
[20:05] <jack> sarnold, many thanks!
[20:07] <sarnold> patrickk: separation of privileges; you can confine processes used in serving web content with apparmor (selinux in rh-land), limit what privileges the user accounts running those processes can have; make sure your management processes don't rely upon potentially unsafe data
[20:07] <Gigabitten> damn it I forgot to check to be sure nothing else was changing ps1
[20:07] <Gigabitten> thanks for the attempt at helping lol
[20:13] <jack> Dec  4 21:06:39 caine systemd-resolved[2342]: Server returned error NXDOMAIN, mitigating potential DNS violation DVE-2018-0001, retrying transaction with reduced feature level UDP.
[20:13] <jack> harmless, right?
[20:14] <mouses> jack:
[20:15] <mouses> This warning is logged by systemd-resolved, whenever a name can not be resolved by the DNS system (e.g. nslookup www.kjfoiqaefah34876asdf.com). This can be tolerated and is no reason to be alarmed. This is no error and nothing needs to be fixed.
[20:16] <jack> mouses: i guessed. thx.
[20:23] <chaosfisch> On some networks I'm getting errors in dmesg - sth. like this: "hung task .... blocked for more than 120 seconds"
[20:24] <chaosfisch> Applications freeze - e.g. Chrome and kill -9 has no effect.
[20:24] <chaosfisch> Upon sending kill -9 to the hung process the terminal freezes too....
[20:25] <chaosfisch> Rebooting does not work too. It will get stuck very early.
[20:26] <ioria> chaosfisch, what you mean exactly with 'On some networks' ?
[20:26] <chaosfisch> some wifi / lan networks
[20:27] <chaosfisch> I've previously seen that commands like sudo can be slow if DNS is not responding.
[20:28] <chaosfisch> and in some way it looks like this is a bug in Network manager or the underlying stack.
[20:28] <ioria> chaosfisch, if the whole system freezes , might indicate an exhaustion of resources
[20:29] <sarnold> blocked task would be kernel issues
[20:29] <chaosfisch> top shows less than 5% usage
[20:29] <chaosfisch> and processed like Chrome are marked as zombies
[20:29] <chaosfisch> processes*
[20:30] <ioria> chaosfisch, if you think that the culprit is NM, set networkd as renderer and disable NM
[20:31] <chaosfisch> ioria will give this a try.
[20:31] <ioria> ok
[20:33] <chaosfisch> I'd open a bug report but I'm not sure which information is necessary. As a limitation: i cannot execute and commands which require root privileges as "sudo" will freeze the terminal. dmesg and accessing logfiles seems to be fine.
[20:34] <d0tsun7> hi -- what package should i install for h.264 video support? i can't seem to play videos from my digital camera
[20:35] <d0tsun7> or maybe there's a vlc package i should install or some broad video codec package?
[20:35] <cnnx> dropbox isnt working in ubuntu, fresh install.. i tried from the package manager and downloading ti from dropbox.com
[20:35] <ulkesh> d0tsun7: just install vlc, in my opinion
[20:35] <sarnold> chaosfisch: file the bug report against the linux source package, be sure the copy-paste the *first* giant stack trace from your dmesg; as much of the dmesg as possible
[20:36] <chaosfisch> sarnold alright! will have a look. dmesg contained quite a long stacktrace :P
[20:36] <d0tsun7> ulkesh - ok i'll give the vlc snap a shot
[20:46] <cnnx> ok got it to work
[20:46] <cnnx> had to apt install libatomic1
[20:46] <cnnx> dont remember doing that before for dropbox
[20:48] <Nomad_> Anyone else having problems running Chromium via snap on kali-rolling? getting a sandbox perms error, but the sandbox is a read-only filesystem so I can't update
[20:51] <sarnold> Nomad_: the overlay filesystem things don't have good support for apparmor; it might be worth asking snap folks if there's any good options
[20:53] <ncuxo> is there a dd bottleneck on ubuntu 19.04?
[20:53] <ncuxo> before updating to 19.10 I was getting speeds of 99Mb/s
[20:53] <ncuxo> and now I'm on 183Mb/s
[20:54] <ncuxo> same disks same command
[20:55] <sarnold> there's way too many variables to give an easy answer
[20:56] <dellhem> I have an Ubuntu docker container. Any idea of how I change the time +1h for it?
[20:57] <ncuxo> sarnold: I just found it weird
[20:58] <sarnold> dellhem: what's wrong with the current time?
[20:58] <dellhem> sarnold: It's wrong. 1 hour slow.
[20:59] <Manouchehri> Hey, so for some reason when I plug a 5120x1440 monitor in, I get logged out and can't log back in unless I use Wayland :(
[21:00] <sarnold> dellhem: and chrony status or ntpd status?
[21:01] <dellhem> sarnold: I don't have permission to change it with ntp.
[21:01] <dellhem> As mentioned, it's a docker container.
[21:06] <dellhem> sarnold: ntpdate <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:07] <dellhem>  4 Dec 21:06:27 ntpdate[4718]: Can't adjust the time of day: Operation not permitted
[21:17] <sarnold> dellhem: sorry, I meant to make sure the *host* has the correct time
[21:17] <sarnold> dellhem: I had short time, I had a meeting, so I just typed quick, too quick apparently, hehe
[21:55] <Juesto> uh
[21:55] <Juesto> it's specifically a synaptic issue actually
[21:56] <Juesto> because the url appears wrong
[21:56] <Juesto> or something like that
[22:28] <z1_> how do you install the opengl dev for gcc on ubuntu
[22:28] <z1_> what packages do you need
[22:40] <pragmaticenigma> z1_, you might want to try asking in the #ubuntu-app-devel ... there might be more people familiar with installing development environments and libraries
[22:41] <z1_> ok
[23:13] <d0tsun7> anyone know if adobe photoshop cc 2020 or adobe photoshop premiere cc 2020 works on ubuntu yet?
[23:17] <pragmaticenigma> d0tsun7, It's possible it may run using an WINE, you can check https://appdb.winehq.org/ to see what the support level currently is. Please understand that support for running applications with WINE is not supported here, as well as applications intended to run on another Operating system are also not supported here.
[23:20] <genii> !winehq
[23:22] <genii> d0tsun7: If you have a Windows license you could also try running it in a VM
[23:22] <d0tsun7> roger that pragmaticenigma
[23:23] <genii> ( probably will run slower than molasses though )
[23:23] <d0tsun7> definitely genii, i have a kvm vfio windows 10 guest running my editing software currently... i just hate sometimes i feel i get stuck in windows just cause ill be doing tasks that require me to have my editing software, when id much rather be in linux
[23:23] <d0tsun7> or like ill play a game or something and then im just stuck in windows i feel like for a couple days
[23:24] <ElijaxApps> Hi. I have this message while running apt update on aeon (pi4): http://us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan-backports/main 404 Not found [IP <IP_ADDRESS> 80]. Same with eoan-security.
[23:24] <genii> d0tsun7: https://community.adobe.com/t5/get-started/adobe-when-will-you-give-us-creative-cloud-on-ubuntu-linux/td-p/9710073  was started in Jan 2018 and last comment was 3 hours ago. So it looks like you're not alone.
[23:24] <d0tsun7> awesome genii
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> ElijaxApps, it's possible the mirror is temporarily offline while it is updating it's repository. Try again in a couple hours
[23:28] <neildugan> Hi I am having trouble with a new system, I partitioned the drives using sgdisk, the first partition has a type of BF01 .... but when I reboot the computer the BIOS says there is no bootable drive, but using F10 to get to the boot menu, and selecting a drive ... it boots fine.... any ideas on what to do?
[23:30] <ElijaxApps> pragmaticenigma: is there another mirror for raspi 4? I just need to apt update without errors.
[23:30] <genii> Maybe try just archive.ubuntu.com
[23:31] <genii> If the us mirror is updating, the original is probably already finished
[23:34] <ElijaxApps> Same error, ip <IP_ADDRESS> :(
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> ElijaxApps, What version of Ubuntu are you running on the raspberry pi?
[23:36] <ElijaxApps> pragmaticenigma: aeon, ubuntu-desktop
[23:38] <ElijaxApps> uname -ar: Linux ubuntu 5.3.0-1012-raspi2 #14-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 11 10:06:55 UTC 2019 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> ElijaxApps, There is no desktop support for Ubuntu on Raspberry Pi... Only IOT via the Ubuntu server image. Not sure how you got desktop enabled (or if you're attempting to add it)
[23:40] <ElijaxApps> pragmaticenigma tasksel did the job. I got a hd monitor plugged in...
[23:44] <ElijaxApps> pragmaticenigma within the download page there's a suggestion to execute tasksel :)
[23:45] <jack> aeon? don't you mean eoan?
[23:46] <ElijaxApps> jack: yes sorry, eoan. I misread.
[23:46] <pragmaticenigma> ElijaxApps, currently the us.ubuntu.com mirror is down for me. Typically it can take a couple hours to come back online. The best thing you can do right now is have patience and wait it out.
[23:54] <sarnold> ElijaxApps: armhf and arm64 aren't on the main archive
[23:54] <sarnold> ElijaxApps: you need to get those packages from http://ports.ubuntu.com/ instead
[23:57] <ElijaxApps> sarnold certainly, my sources.list corrupted when installing software-properties-gtk, because I was looking for another mirror, and decided to try GUI way.
[23:59] <sarnold> ElijaxApps: here's what I've got on my rpi3b+ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H5QYXwkDjD/


[01:15] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: ##fix_your_connection ?
[01:21] <jbicha_> SonikkuAmerica: I'm allowed to reboot, right? ;)
[01:21] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: :)
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah. Th'Almighty hath seen fit to pardon thee for thy sin of rebooting. Thy penance is my having to see all the join/part/quit crap in the channel, which I hath deliberately elected to view.
[01:24] <jbicha_> gnome-session 3.8 might not be fully compatible with Unity in Saucy... at least I'm having trouble logging in with it
[01:24] <jbicha_> rebooting didn't help and there wasn't a difference between gdm and lightdm that I could see
[01:24] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: Most of the stuff they're working on in Saucy involve Mir according to http://status.u.c
[01:26] <SonikkuAmerica> At least until now anyway
[01:35] <jbicha_> yeah they're working hard on Unity 8 and merging mobile with desktop
[01:36] <jbicha_> SonikkuAmerica: we need the new gnome-session for the new GNOME Classic mode to work
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> And if it doesn't we're dead in the water after one release?
[02:02] <jbicha_> SonikkuAmerica: no, it's just a nice feature for the next release
[02:02] <jbicha_> SonikkuAmerica: do you ever run the alpha releases?
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: I would if I had a machine with the resources... :\
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Does the GNOME 3 PPA have Classic mode packaged for 13.04?
[02:03] <jbicha_> yes
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: I ran the Raring alpha.
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Good.
[02:05] <darkxst> jbicha_, I have not seen any problems logging in to unity with g-session 3.8
[02:07] <jbicha_> darkxst: have you tried since the 100 scopes landed?
[02:08] <darkxst> not sure, will check
[02:24] <darkxst> jbicha, logged in fine (w/ 100 scopes)
[02:39] <bjsnider> darkxst, i've got a process here gobbling up a lot of memory: gvfsd-metadata
[03:06] <jbicha> darkxst: do you an ssd?
[04:05] <jbicha_> darkxst: I got another problem to think about
[04:05] <jbicha_> I'm not sure if Ubuntu wants the Sharing panel but let's say they do
[04:06] <jbicha_> it would be the 8th item in the System category, adding an extra row which isn't good but they have space in Personal
[04:06] <jbicha_> GNOME though has extra panels in Personal and there isn't room for Sharing
[04:07] <jbicha_> we can't just add a new .desktop like we did in previous g-c-c versions, can we?
[05:02] <darkxst> jbicha_, no ssd
[05:05] <darkxst> jbicha_, not without modifying the external panels patch
[05:05] <darkxst> but it would be easy enough to say have ubuntu-*-panel.desktop that can override the gnome-*-panel.desktop files
[05:06] <darkxst> (based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP)
[05:11] <darkxst> bjsnider, I don't know, file a bug and/or perhaps try pitti
[10:50] <Dark_light> Are there plans to ever solve this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1040193 ?
[13:42] <meet> When I start my computer , chrome opens up with about:blank and I also get a tray message like unable to connect to google account.
[15:36] <seanharris> hello
[16:11] <joerg1702> englisch channel?
[16:12] <bjsnider> body of water separating the uk from mainland europe
[16:14] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: lol
[18:45] <bigbluehat> is it possible to "upgrade" from a standard Ubuntu 13.04 to Ubuntu Gnome 13.04?
[18:45] <bigbluehat> I'm already using Gnome Shell 3.6
[18:54] <jbicha_> bigbluehat: just install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[18:55] <bigbluehat> jbicha_: k. guess I'm good to go then :)
[18:55] <bigbluehat> tnx
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: I think I understand why you didn't want to put GNOME Boxes in the pre-installed application set.
[21:12] <jbicha_> darkxst: what do you think about whether it's worth participating in Alpha 1 next week? !schedule
[21:12] <jbicha_> !schedule
[21:12] <jbicha_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[22:29] <jbicha_> darkxst: I figured out my issue with Backup not showing in GNOME's Settings but in Unity; it still had the -ccpanel.desktop naming
[22:30] <darkxst> jbicha_, oh right, I made some symlinks while testing locally, forgot to remove them ;)
[23:16] <darkxst> jbicha_, not sure there is much point doing alpha1 from a testing perspective, but might be good for a bit of free publicity?
[23:19] <jbicha_> it's not free ;) but I'm not sure how high the QA requirements will be
[23:20] <jbicha_> today's i386 daily installed fine in VBox here


[21:48] <Bashing-om> Membership Board: Another prospect - Carlin0 Membership Application - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/carlin0-membership-application/25618, With the caveat that Italian is to be the language.


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[07:51] <mlankhorst> the rest seems just as bad, nobody knowledgeable about the topic replying, thought I'd give looking at the comments a tree :s
[07:51] <mlankhorst> try*
[11:03] <mlankhorst> RAOF: well enough i915 work for now, any ideas for what to work on? :)
[11:05] <tjaalton> tons of bugs
[11:41]  * mlankhorst shakes head at nvidia bug still not fixed :P
[13:08] <mlankhorst> oh I get to start over on prime, making sure locking is correct first before going further
[13:14] <mlankhorst> *any* call to drm_gem_object_unreference must be done with prime lock held on shared dma-bufs. :\
[13:16] <mlankhorst> which means auditing i915, exynos, radeon, udl, nouveau.. eep
[13:48] <ara> bryceh, ping
[16:51] <bryceh> ara, yep
[16:52] <mlankhorst> bryceh: and third time to start over with synch here :)
[16:52] <bryceh> mlankhorst, yeah +1 on bugs :-)
[16:52] <mlankhorst> synchronization is hard..
[16:57] <mlankhorst> bryceh: the crtc_id corruption in nouveau for 3.4 is interesting https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43353
[16:58] <mlankhorst> wish I could trigger it
[16:58]  * bryceh nods
[17:30] <bdmurray> mlankhorst: bug 941953 task for precise should not be fix released mlankhorst ... in progress would be fine then when it goes to -proposed it would move to fix committed and then when copied to -updates move to fix released
[17:33] <mlankhorst> bdmurray: ok I'll change status
[17:33] <mlankhorst> ah you already did :)
[17:34] <bdmurray> is the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics supposed to be for -proposed or -backports?
[17:35] <mlankhorst> proposed, it's fixes from the 1.6 branch
[17:36] <bdmurray> including one for bug 972927 which seems like it deliberately wasn't fixed for precise
[17:36] <bdmurray> er bug 972727
[17:36] <mlankhorst> erm I reverted that iirc
[17:36] <bdmurray> oh it might have just shown up in the changelog
[17:38] <mlankhorst> debian/patches/130_dont_enable_rightbutton_area.patch
[17:39] <bdmurray> okay, the scope of changes feels more like a microrelease to me
[17:40] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[17:41] <mlankhorst> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-synaptics/log/?h=synaptics-1.6-branch going from 1.6.0 to 1.6.2 so you would be right
[17:53] <mlankhorst> brb have to get something from store before it closes
[18:05] <mlankhorst> bdmurray: ok back :)
[18:25] <tjaalton> and again apport fails to send a crasher to lp
[18:25] <tjaalton> sigh
[18:26] <tjaalton> running unity --replace crashed the xserver
[18:27] <tjaalton> after I tried to recover from a blank screen after resume (killing indicator-printers-service seemed to finally bring it back)
[18:28] <mlankhorst> :\
[18:28] <mlankhorst> grr @ xserver still crashing btw
[18:30] <tjaalton> orly
[18:48] <tjaalton> bryceh: btw, apport asked the questions twice, that shouldn't be normal?
[18:49] <bryceh> tjaalton, no it shouldn't be normal.  I understand it's a fault of whoopsie daisy rather than the apport hook itself.  bdmurray probably knows more about this
[18:50] <tjaalton> ahh alright
[19:02] <bryceh> dingding, alpha-2 is released.
[19:02] <tjaalton> whee
[19:03] <bryceh> time to upload all our X breakage :-)
[19:03] <tjaalton> was just about to ask that :)
[19:13] <mlankhorst> gogo
[19:13] <mlankhorst> testing? We do it in production :)
[19:17] <Sarvatt> planning on that synaptics thats in git?
[19:17] <Sarvatt> because i dont think that'll work right with 1.12
[19:17] <mlankhorst> input api wasn't bumped for 1.12 right?
[19:17] <Sarvatt> 125_option_rec_revert.patch
[19:17] <Sarvatt> 12.04 didn't have the full 1.12 input abi
[19:18] <mlankhorst> oh
[19:19] <mlankhorst> bryceh: maybe we want to rebuild that before copying over then?
[19:25] <tjaalton> just upload and it'll build itself?
[19:25] <tjaalton> oh well, doesn't matter
[19:26] <tjaalton> copying is easy
[19:26] <tjaalton> for some
[19:26] <tjaalton> needing special powers :)
[19:35] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: i think it implies removing that patch then
[19:40] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: guess so, don't see a mention of when it was added
[19:40] <tjaalton> oh there it is
[19:40] <tjaalton> yeah, drop it
[19:42] <mlankhorst> I'll temporarily add xorg 1.12 to build-depends and depends then
[19:43] <mlankhorst> cnd: any other patches we ought to drop?
[19:43] <mlankhorst> guessing 126_ubuntu_xi22.patch is unneeded too
[19:43] <tjaalton> right
[19:44] <mlankhorst> 124* too I think
[19:46] <tjaalton> you don't need to bump the depends
[19:46] <tjaalton> b-depends is enough
[19:46] <mlankhorst> ok
[19:51] <mlankhorst> pushed without the 124, I want confirmation first, so keep in for now
[19:55] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: can you upload to proposed?
[19:56] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yup
[19:56] <tjaalton> hmm, the stack is in proposed and not staging?
[19:56] <mlankhorst> think so
[19:57] <tjaalton> yup
[20:00] <tjaalton> there
[22:13] <johanbr> The linux-image-3.5.0-2-generic kernel in xorg-edgers for precise breaks sound for me (pulseaudio hangs). Is this a known problem?


[01:43] <dewman> JosX, did you check out that link?
[01:45] <dewman> JosX, for the old firewire stack       -----> lsmod | grep 1394
[01:45] <dewman> JosX, for the new firewire stack       -----> lsmod | grep firewire
[13:16] <rileyp> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary how to fix
[13:19] <patdk-lap> why bother to *fix* it?
[13:20] <patdk-lap> the cylinders it uses doesn't match the disk anyways
[13:27] <rileyp> thnask pat I googled and know it not to woory abot
[13:35] <rileyp> ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode  is naother error I get in dmesg
[14:45] <rileyp> is 11.04 ok for a mythbuntu back end or is it unstable
[14:47] <mycosys> should be fine i believe
[14:47] <mycosys> but i am sticking with 10.04
[14:48] <mycosys> LTS all the way for me, unless there is some compelling reason otherwise
[14:48] <mycosys> only went to jaunty cos i wanted vdpau and 8.04 couldnt support 0.22
[14:49] <rileyp> hmm ok  I must admit I have no issues with lucid
[14:51] <rileyp> ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode a person over on www.pcmediacenter.com.au is having issues with  is fsck the only thing one can do to hopefully resolve
[14:51] <rileyp> Hes just done a clean install and he is gettinh that in dmesg
[15:22] <mycosys> rileyp - was such a hassle updating 9.04 to 10.04, because 9.04 support has ended
[15:24] <mycosys> if i stay with 10.04 there will be myth released for it until 12.04 comes out, and i will be able to upgrade to 12.04 direct
[15:24] <mycosys> do go from 11.04 to 12.04 you will need to go thru 11.10


[01:48] <spettit> hey
[01:49] <spettit> i have a few questions and i need some help on where to direct them
[01:49] <BFTD> ok
[01:49] <spettit> i'm looking for some help with video drivers
[01:50] <spettit> i'm assuming this isn't the propper channel
[01:50] <BFTD> what OS?
[01:50] <BFTD> no
[01:50] <BFTD> but I'll start you off
[01:50] <spettit> i'm assuming this isn't the propper channel
[01:51] <spettit> i could use any help you could provide
[01:53] <BFTD> Well, the main help chan is #ubuntu, but if you have kubuntu then go into #kubuntu, or Xubuntu go to #xubuntu
[01:53] <BFTD> but what video card?
[01:53] <spettit> a nVidia 7600 GT
[01:54] <BFTD> nice card
[01:54] <spettit> a nVidia 7600 GS is listed in the HCL
[01:54] <BFTD> yeah that's fine
[01:54] <spettit> and it's PCIe 16x
[01:54] <spettit> i'm having a hell of a time getting the thing to run
[01:55] <spettit> and i've seen a few other people who have had problems with fiesty fawn getting it to run as well
[01:55] <BFTD> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:55] <spettit> that's it?
[01:56] <spettit> because after install i can't even get x to start
[01:56] <spettit> i had to install in text mode
[01:57] <BFTD> no
[01:57] <BFTD> then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:58] <BFTD> or maybe its xorg-xserver
[01:58] <BFTD> I can never remember
[02:04] <spettit> thanks
[02:04] <spettit> i'll have to try that when i get hom
[02:04] <spettit> home
[09:22] <kraut> moin
[10:24] <abogani> TheMuso: Bug #131029 would be great to have.
[10:29] <TheMuso> abogani: You mean the RT on PowerPC, yeah it would.
[01:08] <kraut> does anybody know, how i could send a magic-sysrq through a remote terminal-console over  cyclades tsc?
[02:56] <abogani> kraut: "echo char_of_sysrq_command > /proc/sysrq-trigger" ?
[03:30] <TheMuso> is there a way of binding a particular PCi device to a kernel module? I will be looking at a PCI device that I think may be a serial device, but there is a good chance the kernel serial drivers don't know about it.
[05:07] <Nafallo> x86_64 generic isn't tickless?
[05:09] <mjg59> Correct
[05:10] <Nafallo> is there a reason? :-)
[05:13] <mjg59> Becuse x86_64 doesn't support tickless yet
[05:36] <Nafallo> hehe. clear enough.
[05:36] <Nafallo> I'll go with x86 then.
[06:07] <elmo> e1000: 0000:02:00.0: e1000_probe: The EEPROM Checksum Is Not Valid
[06:07] <elmo> ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:00.0 disabled
[06:07] <elmo> e1000: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -5
[06:08] <elmo> I just got that on a laptop, which I swear to god, was working 2 weeks ago
[06:08] <elmo> can someone please tell me, why on earth, we don't just kill that check with EXTREME prejudice
[06:08] <elmo> it's complete crack
[06:15] <Nafallo> I have a weird error on Tribe-4 x86 :-)
[06:15] <Nafallo> I have to keep control pressed in for the live to boot...
[06:18] <mjg59> Nafallo: Turion?
[06:18] <Nafallo> yes
[06:18] <mjg59> Should be fixed in git
[06:18] <Nafallo> TL50
[06:19] <Nafallo> thanks :-)
[06:19] <Nafallo> ah. it works once its graphical :-)
[06:22] <mjg59> Because there's plenty of stuff generating interrupts then
[06:56] <Nafallo> aha :-)
[06:57] <Nafallo> I hope it's a new one soon then :-P
[07:00] <Nafallo> hmm. I can't boot at all from harddrive :-P
[07:05] <Nafallo> hehe. funny bug :-)
[07:09] <BenC> Nafallo: "nolapic_timer nohz=off"
[07:12] <Nafallo> BenC: thanks. any idea when you upload the fix? :-)
[07:13] <BenC> Nafallo: sometime before the next tribe :)
[07:13] <Nafallo> :-P
[07:16] <BenC> kylem: ping
[07:16] <kylem> yo
[07:16] <BenC> elmo: I believe e1000 has an mod param to ignore that
[07:17] <BenC> kylem: since I'll be gone next week, I'll need to hand over gutsy kernel to you during that time
[07:17] <mjg59> elmo: It's a bug - it's reading the eeprom before it's completely powered up the chip
[07:17] <kylem> BenC, yeah, that's fine.
[07:17] <elmo> BenC: users shouldn't have to twiddle mod params to get their wired network working though
[07:17] <mjg59> elmo: Try booting with the ethernet plugged in
[07:17] <kylem> elmo, can you test kernels on that box?
[07:17] <BenC> kylem: you can still reach me if you need to via email, but I don't suspect you'll have a problem
[07:17] <mjg59> Intel have known about this for over a year
[07:17] <elmo> mjg59: ok - but until that's fixed, can we just turn it off? :/
[07:18] <elmo> kylem: not that specific laptop, the owner just left for 2 weeks
[07:18] <kylem> BenC, it'll be fine, though i'll be off friday, so i'll make sure stuff gets done by then.
[07:18] <mjg59> elmo: I suspect that would be the sensible thing to do
[07:18] <kylem> elmo, fuck. ok.
[07:18] <BenC> kylem: thanks
[07:18] <kylem> elmo, i suspect it is fixed.
[09:00] <Mmike> Where do I find help on 2.6.22 kernel compilation with fiesty? I downloaded kernel src from kernel.org (2.6.22), got .config from gutsy, make oldconfig, make-kpkg, and got .deb that is 140 MB large... that's a bit too much, right? :)
[09:02] <mjg59> Disable CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL
[09:04] <Mmike> thnx, i'll try
[09:06] <Mmike> I tought I did disable that :) thnx
[09:36] <Nafallo> lamont: that will make that version come quicker I hope ;-)
[09:41] <BenC> mjg59: actually, it's CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO
[09:54] <lamont> Nafallo: given that I successfully built -9.25hppa1 with that config, the (non-LP as yet for other reasons) hppa archive is happy.
[09:54] <lamont> which is to say, I'd like to see -9.26 soonish, just so that I can work through getting d-i and such built.
[09:55] <lamont> Plan is to light up hppa in LP real soon now.  (there's a little java debugging to do)
[09:55] <lamont> that also requires a small (arch/parisc) kernel patch to let gdb build, so that the gcj folks can have a working debugger.
[09:56] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:59] <mjg59> BenC: Ah, close :)