[10:59] <ubotu> sledgeas: Welcome to #ubuntu - the Ubuntu support channel.
[10:59] <^rob^> i think the deb is messed...
[10:59] <bcochofel> gyaresu: I need feisty because crossvc
[10:59] <sledgeas> how to have beta versions in ubuntu edgy? what repositories should go in (e.g., to use openoffice 2.2.0 a.s.on)
[11:00] <gyaresu> ^rob^: Right so you apt-get removed  and then apt-cache clean'd and still no joy.
[11:00] <^rob^> yes
[11:00] <^rob^> apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 i get the same err.
[11:00] <gyaresu> ^rob^: Yeah but before clean. Did you do 'remove'.
[11:00] <^rob^> Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.0 to 4.1.
[11:00] <^rob^> ha
[11:01] <^rob^> i thik i need --force-all
[11:01] <ekul1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8906/plain/ does this mean emu10k1 is installed?
[11:02] <gyaresu> ekul1: No. Just that you have the modules. To see if it's installed do 'sudo lsmod |grep emu10k1'
[11:03] <^rob^> same shit.
[11:03] <ekul1> thanks gyaresu
[11:03] <^rob^> ubprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:03] <gyaresu> ^rob^: apt-get -f install ??
[11:03] <^rob^> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:03] <^rob^> i don't have a dependency problem
[11:04] <^rob^> i'll install 5.0 then
[11:04] <ekul1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8907/plain/ sorry, i assume that means its not installed?
[11:04] <tuxcrafter> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a fixed my problem be aware it it a last resort solution and dangerous, thank guys
[11:05] <gyaresu> ^rob^: Lot's of google links. I assume you've seen?
[11:05] <sledgeas> how to install e.g. openoffice 2.2 beta?
[11:05] <posingaspopular> !paste
[11:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:05] <sledgeas> what kind of repositories should be enabled (backports, unstable, testing -- which ones?)
[11:05] <^rob^> it seems ubuntu ain't debian any more - edgy is messing up with good packages - smells like RedHat - i'll uninstall and go back to my old debian distro
[11:05] <gyaresu> ^rob^: That's the spirit!
[11:06] <dcordes> ^rob^: what good packages do you miss?
[11:06] <ekul1> lol
[11:06] <^rob^> gyaresu: i did - it's a package mess
[11:06] <^rob^> mysql-4.1
[11:06] <^rob^> server
[11:06] <sledgeas> common guys, a simple question to an potential ubuntu user!
[11:06] <gyaresu> ^rob^: (Without looking) Is it something special you've done with versions?
[11:06] <gyaresu> !repos | sledgeas
[11:06] <ubotu> sledgeas: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:07] <sledgeas> great, tx
[11:07] <^rob^> gyaresu: no - it's a fresh installed server from dedicatedcentral.com
[11:07] <ekul1> stick with it sledgeas, ill never go back to windows if i can get my sound to work.
[11:07] <gyaresu> sledgeas: Debian names are a little misleading here.
[11:07] <^rob^> they don't do debian - but ubuntu
[11:07] <otwr> !sound
[11:07] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:08] <PKAA> Hi guys! One question, do you think 256RAM for gnome is not enough? I am asking.. at work got 1GB and it is blazing fast. Here, at home got 256 and sometimes i really slows down :/
[11:08] <gyaresu> ^rob^: Ah. Ok so you've bought a server.
[11:08] <Wuffi600> quit
[11:08] <ekul1> thanks otwr, done all that, at least, done all the parts of it i understand
[11:08] <^rob^> and i got ubuntu edgy
[11:08] <^rob^> instead debian
[11:08] <tschaka> PKAA try xfce instead ;)
[11:09] <dcordes> PKAA: i think that depends on your own view. you could try fluxbox- that's very friendly to your ressources
[11:09] <gyaresu> ^rob^: K. Well you'know. Same same, but something is foobar'd if a clean install is wacking out on just a mysql install.
[11:09] <PKAA> no I don't want xfce :) I really like nautilus and whole gnome thing :)
[11:09] <^rob^> i had to chose from fedora(bleah) MSWin(booo) FreeBSD(well well) and ubuntu
[11:09] <PKAA> I used to work on fluxbox for a looong time :) but these days I simply love gnome :)
[11:09] <dcordes> !asterisk
[11:09] <ubotu> asterisk: Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 400 kB
[11:09] <lnostdal> hey guys .. is ubuntuforums currently down or is there something wrong at my end?
[11:10] <tschaka> so just get another 256mb ram bar at least ;) quite cheap these days =)
[11:10] <dcordes> PKAA: yea i feel you.. gnome is very nice system
[11:10] <^rob^> I love FreeBSD - but... i need oracle... which has no install on fbsd... so i got stucked with this ubuntu edgy
[11:10] <^rob^> which does not want to install muysql-4.1 server.
[11:10] <^rob^> grr
[11:10] <bill-nz> ekul1:  I have nvidia drivers installed, but when i updated my kernel, it crashes x.  I have updated the drivers, but it still crashes when i boot into the new kernal... any ideas anyone?
[11:10] <PKAA> Any way to slightly speed up whole gnome on 256ram? btw. I checked prices, and for mine laptop it is not so cheap... now I live in US and got European laptop :)
[11:10] <tschaka> ah ic
[11:10] <dcordes> fbsd  is such a strange system
[11:11] <tschaka> could be a difficult job :/
[11:11] <ekul1> sorry Bill-nz total newb here
[11:11] <^rob^> dcordes: ain;t strange - need good unix knowledge
[11:11] <PKAA> so they need to get for me "old" RAM stick from Europe which is not so cheap, cause production was discontinoued
[11:11] <gyaresu> ^rob^: Now now. Lot's of others have so can you think of anything you might have done non-standard and could you post the last of the error message.
[11:11] <bill-nz> np ekul1
[11:11] <kenthomson> Seveas, are you here?
[11:11] <^rob^> and after my experience works better on high load bandwith than linux...
[11:11] <^rob^> :)
[11:11] <dcordes> PKAA: well then i would save my money
[11:12] <PKAA> :)
[11:12] <^rob^> gyaresu: yeah - i did : apt-get update... apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
[11:12] <tschaka> PKAA u may could install "bum" and deactivate some services on startup, no more ideas by me, sry
[11:12] <dcordes> ^rob^: what badnwith do you get on your server?
[11:12] <gyaresu> bill-nz: You need to re-install nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-generic (or whatever you kernel is)
[11:12] <kalorin> reboot
[11:12] <alan__> anbody know when the forums will be back up?
[11:12] <PKAA> Right now I am saving money to buy new laptop - thinking about MacBook Pro
[11:12] <kalorin> new ati drivers
[11:12] <^rob^> dcores: i have no clue... lol
[11:13] <bill-nz> gyaresu: will i have this problem every time the kernal gets updated?
[11:13] <^rob^> dcores: i had a fbsd on my old work place - (an ISP) - worked like a charm - not even booted 2 yrs.
[11:13] <dcordes> i'm saving money for a zaurus cl3200
[11:13] <gyaresu> !offtopic  dcordes ^rob^
[11:13] <^rob^> our uptime was 2 years.. we was very proud of it - untill my ex-boss sell the company,
[11:14] <gyaresu> bill-nz: Yes. But you just need to remember (shouldn't have to) to upgrade those packages at the same time or.....
[11:14] <gyaresu> !envy | bill-nz
[11:14] <ubotu> bill-nz: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[11:14] <^rob^> whatever - forget fbsd - back to mysql 4.1
[11:14] <^rob^> :)
[11:15] <bill-nz> gyaresu: thanks, does envy work from the shell?
[11:15] <kalorin> welp
[11:15] <kalorin> it didn't die
[11:15] <gyaresu> ^rob^: http://www.howforge.com/how-to-install-mysql-server-4-1-on-ubuntu-edgy
[11:16] <gyaresu> bill-nz: nah. It's a gui.
[11:16] <gyaresu> bill-nz: cli's your friend though :)
[11:16] <shadeofgrey> is it ridiculously hard to put the newest version of ubuntu on intel macs?
[11:16] <bill-nz> gyaresu: envy won't help if x fails to start :)
[11:16] <shadeofgrey> or is it impossible any how because all macs have ATI video cards?
[11:17] <briancann> hey guys trying to access my windows mount in KDE which is totally accessible in gnome
[11:17] <dcordes> shadeofgrey: i think you just need the ppc releases
[11:17] <shadeofgrey> ...or have i bven out of the loop so long that ATI display drivers are no longer the bane of every serious ubuntu user?
[11:17] <kalorin> how can you tell which version of drivers you're currently using for a video card?
[11:17] <gyaresu> bill-nz: Nope. See what I meant about the cli ;) Just install nvidia-glx and the restricted modules I mentioned and everything should be fine.
[11:17] <gays> I got a webserver running on a comp, but it takes about 40-50 sec to refresh the page. It loads fast, but i have to wait 45 sec before it does =P anyone know why?
[11:17] <PKAA> I do not have mac right now, but I guess it shouldn't be any problem(!!!), I plan to buy MacBook Pro, just for Ubuntu, and from time to time other two most known OSes ;)
[11:17] <shadeofgrey> dcordes, but  PPC wont run on untel macs!
[11:17] <shadeofgrey> thats the whole point
[11:17] <PKAA> but you can get intel version instead of PPC
[11:17] <kalorin> gays are you resovling the ip addresses in the logs?
[11:18] <Slike> hello, i'm having a ubuntu 6.06 server here, without x. i'd like to have a fully functional windowmaker on it, so i tried installing wmaker, xserver-xorg, xdm, xfonts-base,xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-200dpi + configured the xserver using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. when i hit startx my screen goes blank on all virtual terminals, i can't do anything any more then. what should i do/install to make everything work fine?
[11:18] <bill-nz> shadeofgrey: i haven't seen it in action, but i've heard ancetodal stories of running in parallells.
[11:18] <dcordes> briancann: it should not make a difference which desktop you use. mounting is independent from that
[11:18] <teeL> damn, wrong nick :D
[11:18] <teeL> kalorin: What do you mean? =p
[11:18] <PKAA> I am not a guru, so it would be better if you ask somebody who actually is using intel mac version of ubuntu
[11:18] <kalorin> are you having the webserver do the dns lookups against the client ip addresses in the logs
[11:18] <bill-nz> gyaresu: i booted into the cli and updated those 2 packages, and still crashed x.  do i need to do a remove then install?
[11:19] <briancann> dcordes, thats what I thought
[11:19] <teeL> kalorin: I dont think so =p
[11:19] <dcordes> briancann: but?
[11:19] <gyaresu> kalorin: glxinfo it's at the top.
[11:19] <briancann> access in gnome but not in kde
[11:19] <gyaresu> bill-nz: modprobe nvidia
[11:19] <gyaresu> bill-nz: or reboot.
[11:21] <kalorin> kalorin@zebra:/sbin$ glxinfo
[11:21] <kalorin> name of display: :0.0
[11:21] <kalorin> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:21] <juice`> hi, i have problems installing Ubuntu 6.06, 6.10 or the latest alpha 5. they all stall after i choose to install them, safe graphics mode doesnt help
[11:21] <kalorin> keep getting that extension missing message
[11:21] <juice`> i can't even find any install logs on any consoles
[11:21] <dcordes> juice`: that sounds terrible!
[11:21] <gyaresu> juice`: You probably need to pass a kernel boot option something like noacpi...
[11:22] <juice`> just noacpi or is it argument to something ? like option=noacpi ?
[11:22] <gyaresu> juice`: If you hit ESC when you're at the first menu you should be able to add it to the kernel line in grub.
[11:22] <juice`> i suspect cdrom problems, /cdrom is empty and can't find anything in /dev/
[11:23] <gyaresu> juice`: Yeah ^^
[11:23] <juice`> excuse me, but what exactly? i typed two possible options :) just noacpi ?
[11:23] <ekul`> every second time i start ubuntu i get an error before the desktop starts that says "kill: could not pill '1826' : no such process"
[11:23] <yomm> juice : are you trying to install from usb cdrom ?
[11:23] <gyaresu> juice`: Ah. Old machine? Maybe try burning the iso at a lower speed. See if another livecd loads?
[11:23] <juice`> no
[11:23] <juice`> very new machine
[11:24] <juice`> i think it's ICH8
[11:24] <juice`> and i'm pretty sure there is no ICH8 cdrom support in kernels 2.6.17 and lowers, and this is 6.10 kernel
[11:24] <kenthomson> HELP; i need help building my sources.list. q1. is building the sources.list from the online-sources-list-generator at ubuntu.nl safe? q2. is "deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse" = separately adding */edgy main + */edgy restricted + */edgy universe + */edgy multiverse, (as four different lines)?
[11:24] <Robinsjostrom> i have one questing. it was a couple of years since i last ran linux. Is it still problems installing graphiccards?
[11:24] <juice`> so i downloaded alpha 5
[11:24] <gyaresu> juice`: acpi=off I thing.
[11:24] <livingdaylight> Q: to burn .avi to i use cd or dvd?
[11:24] <gyaresu> *think
[11:24] <juice`> acpi=off ? hmm... where to check it ?
[11:25] <ekul`> and damn i can get my onboard sound to work but not my soundcard :/
[11:25] <ekul`> time for a new soundcard I think!
[11:25] <juice`> i mean which manual
[11:25] <ekul`> anyone have one they can guarantee will work with Ubuntu 6.10 for me? ;)
[11:25] <gyaresu> livingdaylight: "put an avi on a disk to play in a dvd player'?
[11:25] <Jowi> juice`, "pci=noacpi" or "acpi=off" I guess. add it into /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:25] <livingdaylight> gyaresu, yes
[11:25] <kenthomson> Can someone be kind enough to answer my sources.list questions?
[11:25] <gyaresu> juice`: Jowi If you're loading the livecd then hit ESC at the first menu...
[11:26] <gyaresu> livingdaylight: just dump it on either. Most players don't care.
[11:26] <bill-nz> gyaresu: this is what's in my X11 log file after the crash:(II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is
[11:26] <bill-nz> (II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
[11:26] <bill-nz> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[11:26] <bill-nz> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
[11:26] <bill-nz> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[11:26] <bill-nz> (II) UnloadModule: "ramdac"
[11:26] <livingdaylight> gyaresu, do i have to convert .avi to a dvd format-able player?
[11:26] <bill-nz> (II) UnloadModule: "fb"
[11:26] <bill-nz> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[11:26] <livingdaylight> gyaresu, oh...ok...i'll try
[11:26] <bill-nz> Fatal server error:
[11:26] <bill-nz> no screens found
[11:26] <gyaresu> livingdaylight: if it's a cd you'll only fit one on depending on size.
[11:26] <Jowi> juice`, sorry, didn't know you was on the live cd (thanks for pointing it out gyaresu)
[11:26] <gyaresu> !pastebin | bill-nz
[11:26] <ubotu> bill-nz: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:26] <leeba>  And I have a question about the command line for network config
[11:26] <bill-nz> sry
[11:27] <gyaresu> !repos | kenthomson
[11:27] <ubotu> kenthomson: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:27] <kenthomson> !easysource
[11:27] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:27] <livingdaylight> gyaresu, yes, i noticed that most .avi movies are just over 700mb like 701 etc. which is doesn't work on a general /standard 700mb cd
[11:27] <kenthomson> gyaresu, can you answer this?:  is "deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse" = separately adding */edgy main + */edgy restricted + */edgy universe + */edgy multiverse, (as four different lines)?
[11:27] <Jowi> Robinsjostrom, depends on which card. most functions for most cards work out-of-the-box. some special drivers are needed for others.
[11:28] <leeba>   is there a site with the basic commands for entering static ip address et.al.?
[11:28] <gyaresu> bill-nz: No nvidia kernel module... Did you really update linux-restricted-modules-`uname -a`
[11:29] <gyaresu> kenthomson: Yes it is.
[11:29] <ekul`> !divx
[11:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <Jowi> Robinsjostrom, for example, my intel 945GM card is fully functioning with accelerated graphics enabled without me having to do a thing. some ati/nvidia cards need 3rd party drivers for acceleration.
[11:29] <juice`> then again, why my acpi is not working?
[11:29] <gyaresu> kenthomson: Have a look at mine if it helps: http://gyaresu.org/sources.list
[11:29] <juice`> it is working under windows im pretty sure
[11:29] <bill-nz> gyaresu: i did a apt-get upgrade, and linux-restricted was one of the upgrades, but in retrospect, it must have only upgraded the installed one and not downloaded a new one
[11:30] <gyaresu> juice`: Just happens with some install machines. Get it installed and update the kernel. Everything should be fine.
[11:30] <kenthomson> gyaresu, so you mean to say that the latter four different lines (refer to the original question) in effect work the same way if i put */edgy main restricted universe multiverse, in a same line?
[11:30] <assasukasse> hi all, i installed by aptitude xubuntu desktop on my edgy, now i realized i don't use much, so i wanted to purge it, but if i give aptitude purge only 159meg get uninstalled..how can i fully uninstall?
[11:30] <gyaresu> bill-nz: What is the output of 'uname -a'
[11:30] <juice`> gyaresu: yes, but when i tried to install alpha 5 which has 2.6.20 (newest kernel) it didnt help anyways
[11:30] <gyaresu> bill-nz: You have rebooted since upgrading your kernel right?
[11:30] <juice`> gyaresu: i suspect it won't help, but i will try of course.
[11:31] <kenthomson> gyaresu, # Dapper Security Updates
[11:31] <kenthomson> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main, the comment says dapper but you have edgy in the deb-line. whats going on?
[11:31] <gyaresu> juice`: There are ways and means. Maybe your chipset needs some extra module or something that isn't in the base kernel.
[11:31] <Jowi> assasukasse, if you remove xubuntu-desktop it will also remove files that are no longer in use. however, if you installed other packages that still need those files they will not be removed.
[11:32] <kenthomson> gyaresu, ?
[11:32] <juice`> gyaresu: oh ok, that makes sense. ok, thank you very much for help, going to play with kernel paramets after i read Documentation/ dir of course :)
[11:32] <Jowi> assasukasse, aptitude takes care of that automatically
[11:32] <gyaresu> kenthomson: I must have only bothered with the replace function in vim for 'dapper' (case sensetive)
[11:32] <assasukasse> Jowi: i just installed xubuntu desktop, of course it installed of a bunch of other stuffs, i didn't install anything else on xubuntu
[11:33] <kenthomson> gyaresu, but those repos are for edgy, right? whatever the comment says?
[11:33] <gyaresu> juice`: Can't hurt it to run that option. Just usually is that one IMHO.
[11:33] <gyaresu> kenthomson: Yep.
[11:33] <kenthomson> gyaresu, thank you!
[11:33] <bill-nz> gyaresu: well, currently it's 2.6.17-11-386, but the one i'm trying to log into is 2.6.20-ck1
[11:33] <leeba> if i install ubuntu dekstop over my ubuntu server edition will LAMPP remain intact?
[11:34] <gyaresu> bill-nz: 2.6.20 is that feisty?
[11:34] <gyaresu> bill-nz: If you're running edgy it's 2.6.17-11-generic
[11:35] <gyaresu> leeba: Should be fine.
[11:35] <gyaresu> kenthomson: You're welcome.
[11:35] <idiot_> not sure where to go for help, but i'm having trouble running gkrellm.  i start gkrellm and no window comes up.  using icewm.  any ideas?
[11:35] <gyaresu> idiot_: I don't know the prog but if you run it from a terminal you'll get the error messages.
[11:35] <gyaresu> idiot_: Then you can pastebin them for us and we'll have a look.
[11:35] <idiot_> am running from termina, no error messages
[11:35] <bill-nz> gyaresu: i compiled it last night.  i also changed my kernel just after install to <IP_ADDRESS>-386 to get better performance
[11:36] <idiot_> s/termina/terminal/
[11:36] <Jowi> assasukasse, 159MB removal sounds about right. xubuntu is not very big.
[11:36] <PirateHead> I'm trying to get my wireless working. I built and installed madwifi and I modprobed it, so it should be working... but how do I enable wireless access and view the list of available connections?
[11:36] <gyaresu> bill-nz: Why did you have to rollyourown?
[11:36] <assasukasse> Jowi: just when it installed said 400mb install..
[11:37] <assasukasse> i dunno why
[11:37] <gyaresu> idiot_: You know sed well that's a good sign.
[11:37] <bill-nz> gyaresu: because i'm a tinkerer :)
[11:37] <gyaresu> bill-nz: You done broke it.
[11:37] <gyaresu> bad bill-nz
[11:38] <Jowi> assasukasse, for me it is 248MB but that's because I've removed a bunch of fonts and CUPS that I've never used before so it want to re-install those packages as well.
[11:38] <gyaresu> bill-nz: You wanna tinker use gentoo. You wanna easy upgrade. Then stick with the -generic kernel. Bad monkey.
[11:38] <yettenet> Anyone using Opera here?
[11:38] <yettenet> I've got a problem with Flash items
[11:38] <ekul`> anyone know how to get my TV out?
[11:38] <ekul`> erm, tv out to work?
[11:38] <__james> how to remove installed programs in wine/
[11:38] <ekul`> !tvout
[11:38] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition (Nvidia cards) or http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout (ATI cards, *untested*)
[11:38] <bill-nz> gyaresu: lol, not really, i can still boot into <IP_ADDRESS> but a while ago i got an auto update that put me up to <IP_ADDRESS> and that also broke X
[11:38] <gyaresu> yettenet: Yes. Did you follow the flash link?
[11:38] <ekul`> wow this bot has everything
[11:39] <yettenet> gyaresu: Flash is working, the only problem is that sometimes flash items turn to grey all of a sudden
[11:39] <leeba> I had desktop originally but had trouble adding LAMPP so did a server install with LAMPP option and now am having trouble learning command line ..this desktop install should allow me to use gui to finish a Drupal install.. sounds like it should be no problem. Correct? and Thanks.
[11:39] <yettenet> And they won't play
[11:39] <gyaresu> bill-nz: If you've got the edgy sources setup right then you should be running 2.6.17-11-generic. From there, I can help you ;)
[11:40] <gyaresu> yettenet: Yeah, like when you change between tabs. Annoying huh?
[11:40] <Jowi> assasukasse, "apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop" will list all the packages it needs.
[11:40] <yettenet> gyaresu: Yup, it is
[11:40] <finalbeta> Where's the plugin dir for firefox?
[11:40] <yettenet> gyaresu: Is there any solution?
[11:40] <gyaresu> yettenet: I just have firefox for it.
[11:40] <yettenet> gyaresu: Damn :S
[11:40] <assasukasse> and for removing? Jowi
[11:40] <bill-nz> gyaresu: np, at least i know where to look now
[11:40] <gyaresu> yettenet: Not to my knowledge. If you find one let me know eh?
[11:40] <yettenet> gyaresu: Sure
[11:40] <PirateHead> I'm trying to get my wireless working. I built and installed madwifi and I modprobed it, so it should be working... but how do I enable wireless access and view the list of available connections?
[11:40] <yettenet> gyaresu: What sort of ubuntu do you use?
[11:41] <gyaresu> PirateHead: with a gui or cli?
[11:41] <PirateHead> What is a cli?
[11:41] <Jowi> assasukasse, some of those packages listed with "apt-cache depends ..." are standalone packages (such as CUPS) and you can remove these manually.
[11:41] <PirateHead> I certianly didn't do anything with a gui. I did it at the terminal.
[11:41] <bill-nz> PirateHead: command line interface
[11:41] <gyaresu> yettenet: edgy with fluxbox xinerama lots of cli and key combos.
[11:41] <PirateHead> Yeah, cli.
[11:41] <__james> how to remove installed programs in wine?
[11:41] <gyaresu> PirateHead: 'iwlist _dev_name_ scan'
[11:41] <yettenet> gyaresu: Ok, thanks... so it's not KDE-dependant :)
[11:42] <gyaresu> yettenet: :)
[11:42] <PirateHead> gyaresu: how do I find out what my dev name is?
[11:42] <leeba> Thank you for the information
[11:42] <gyaresu> PirateHead: iwconfig
[11:42] <PirateHead> is it the same as the kernel module name?
[11:42] <gyaresu> leeba: You got it sorted?
[11:42] <PirateHead> must be ath0
[11:42] <gyaresu> PirateHead: iwlist ath0 scan
[11:43] <gyaresu> PirateHead: if you see it there then you may want to...
[11:43] <rylan> hey, i need help. im trying to install a QQ client program for gaim i followed the instructions cd'd to the folder hit make and it says no make file. Any Ideas?
[11:43] <PirateHead> No scan results -- does that mean error, or no currently available wireless connections?
[11:43] <gyaresu> !networkmanager | PirateHead
[11:43] <ubotu> PirateHead: networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[11:43] <dcordes> !grub
[11:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:43] <gyaresu> rylan: README INSTALL
[11:43] <PirateHead> I'll take a look at that wiki page.
[11:44] <gyaresu> rylan: You probably havn't '.configure'd
[11:44] <Slike> as soon as i install and configure xserver-xorg on a server here and i start it my screen goes blank. accessing other vty's doesn't work either. even rebooting (regardless the runlevel) results in a blank screen when xserver is installed
[11:44] <Slike> any ideas what may be wrong?
[11:44] <__Krush> Hi I need some help with growisofs....can anyone help me?
[11:44] <Jowi> assasukasse, I have made it into a habit to copy/paste the list of the newly installed packages into a text-file so I get rid of it all in one swoop if I would want to
[11:44] <gyaresu> Slike: Can you get to one of the other terminals (CTRLALT+F2)?
[11:45] <Slike> gyaresu: no, they're all blank
[11:45] <assasukasse> Jowi: i know...but is very bad that debian didn't think about that..
[11:45] <leeba> i think if i install the desktop CD over the server edition with lampp i will get the mysql, apache, and php i need with gui..a waste of server space for gui but i cant manipulate command line well enough yet to get around..so i thnk i am fine if in fact this desktop install works
[11:45] <gyaresu> Jowi: You'd use 'dpkg --get-selections' then?
[11:45] <__Krush> Can I run growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /home but the DVD drive is on another machine?
[11:46] <PirateHead> gyaresu: thanks for the help, hopefully this will work
[11:46] <PirateHead> =D
[11:46] <gyaresu> Slike: Can you start in recovery mode (single user) and check out the /var/log/Xorg.log ?
[11:46] <gyaresu> PirateHead: Good luck.
[11:46] <leeba> Thanks for asking
[11:46] <Jowi> gyaresu, I could but instead I use dpkg-query -W -f=.... to create a before and after list that I take the diff out of.
[11:46] <omegabeta> Question : How do I enable mouse in the framebuffer
[11:46] <Jowi> gyaresu, that way I can sort it by install date and such
[11:46] <gyaresu> leeba: 'visudo' get into the habit early :)
[11:46] <ekul`> !startup
[11:46] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[11:47] <harveyd> is feisty going to fix the wireless interface?
[11:47] <gyaresu> Jowi: Cool.
[11:47] <Slike> gyaresu: i can
[11:47] <rylan> gyaresu, how do i do that
[11:47] <gyaresu> leeba: NO! not visudo!
[11:47] <leeba> i wondered
[11:47] <rylan> gyaresu, the configure thing
[11:47] <gyaresu> leeba: I meant 'vimtutor' (sorry)
[11:47] <Slike> gyaresu: should i paste the contents somewhere? (+suggestions where)
[11:47] <meshugga> hi chaps
[11:47] <leeba> ok.
[11:47] <meshugga> what would be a good tls replacement for xen guests?
[11:48] <__Krush> Can I run growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /home but the DVD drive is on another machine?
[11:48] <gyaresu> rylan: Did you read the README or the INSTALL in the directory?
[11:48] <harveyd> this is one place where windows is ridiculously better
[11:48] <gyaresu> rylan: Whenever you go to install there will always be one of those files.
[11:48] <gyaresu> !pastebin | Slike
[11:48] <ubotu> Slike: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:49] <gyaresu> !feisty | harveyd
[11:49] <ubotu> harveyd: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[11:49] <Jowi> gyaresu, dpkg-query is quite nice. simple. for example to sort all the installed packages by size you can use ->  dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t ${Package}\n'| sort -g -r | less
[11:49] <ekul`> when i right click on shortcuts in the menu i dont get a 'properties' option
[11:49] <gyaresu> !networkmanager | harveyd
[11:49] <ubotu> harveyd: networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[11:49] <leeba> i found it.. thank you. I am glad to find a place to learn this information.
[11:49] <gyaresu> Jowi: Yeah, used to use it a bit with Debian...
[11:49] <harveyd> gya, cheers
[11:49] <yettenet> gyaresu: Well, it seems like that the 9.20 version of Opera is doing better
[11:50] <GMWeezel> Is there an application that can log the amount of data sent/recieved by a program over a network? I know in processes you can see the total but I need it for a single application.
[11:50] <harveyd> will it ever be storing authentification details?
[11:50] <rylan> gyaresu, yeah, but its pretty vague and im new to linux
[11:50] <omeil_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables what compiler od i need plz?
[11:50] <gyaresu> leeba: It's a necessary thing (plus eventually you'll love it.)
[11:50] <harveyd> weezel, ethereal
[11:50] <Slike> gyaresu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8913/ contains a dump of the log
[11:50] <Joshooa> Could someone help me with finishing setting up my network and saving it so I wont have to try and figure it out again after I reboot?
[11:50] <gyaresu> rylan: Can you pastebin the INSTALL then please?
[11:50] <yettenet> gyaresu: Damn, it's not better :(
[11:50] <gyaresu> yettenet: :(
[11:50] <leeba> i can't wait ..maybe i can learn and come back and help.this has been great to get  response so fast
[11:51] <yettenet> gyaresu: Closed a tab, gray thingy happened again
[11:51] <GMWeezel> harveyd: thanks
[11:51] <rylan> gyaresu, working on that.
[11:51] <Psykus> ok
[11:51] <gyaresu> leeba: There are also 'cheatsheets' online for vim. I still use them...
[11:52] <gyaresu> Slike: Checking now...
[11:52] <kalorin> nice:
[11:52] <kalorin> (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[11:52] <kalorin> (WW) fglrx(1): ***********************************
[11:52] <kalorin> (WW) fglrx(1): * DRI initialization disabled!    *
[11:52] <kalorin> (WW) fglrx(1): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) *
[11:52] <kalorin> (WW) fglrx(1): * no 3D acceleration available    *
[11:52] <kalorin> (WW) fglrx(1): ***********************************
[11:52] <sdac221x_> hi, can someone point me to somewhere that shows how to install gkrellm skins as i haven't been able to come up with anything... i downloaded the skins but no idea how to proceed.  thanks
[11:52] <kalorin> think that's because I'm using xinerama?
[11:52] <gyaresu> !pastebin | kalorin
[11:52] <ubotu> kalorin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:52] <kalorin> for 5 lines?
[11:52] <Psykus> just finished a fresh install of ubunto on a machine i've used it with before..it's showing a wireless card in the network options, but it won't work without ndiswrapper. I need to remove this default adapter/driver before continuing with ndiswrapper, I had to do this same thing last time I installled ubuntu, just can't remember how to uninstall the default one
[11:53] <Psykus> otherwise they would conflict and nothing would work
[11:53] <gyaresu> Slike: What did you follow to get your radeon installed?
[11:53] <bill-nz> leeba: learn by doing. and you can install LAMPP easily on the desktop install, just not as a single package as far as I know
[11:53] <Jowi> kalorin, this channel can be very busy. better use pastebin
[11:54] <rylan> gyaresu, well i got the configure part,
[11:54] <Psykus> ok, nm, think I found it in the wiki
[11:54] <rylan> gyaresu, make is still not working
[11:54] <Slike> gyaresu: i installed the xserver-xorg package (+xfonts packages and xdm), then i performed a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:54] <gyaresu> bill-nz: leeba He's right. It's probably a good idea to follow a howto from http://howtoforge.com
[11:54] <Slike> gyaresu: it automatically discovered and identified the ati card
[11:54] <gyaresu> rylan: Is './configure' completing without errors?
[11:54] <Joshooa> How do I use vi to edit something and not just type over it and put in ABCD when I use the arrow keys?
[11:55] <gyaresu> Joshooa: vimtutor (give it a go)
[11:55] <Joshooa> ok
[11:55] <rylan> gyaresu, at the end it says "checking for gaim... Package gaim was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gaim.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gaim' found
[11:55] <rylan> configure: error: Library requirements (gaim) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them."
[11:55] <Joshooa> before that, can I get some help finishing setting up my network?
[11:56] <bill-nz> leeba: getting apache and php/mysql is a breeze to get set up if you have ever done it in windows.  these products were written for linux first
[11:56] <Joshooa> I'm afraid to move or I'll have to stumble through it all again
[11:56] <gyaresu> rylan: Why are you trying to install a newer version of gaim?
[11:56] <Joshooa> I almost have my WEP key memorized now
[11:56] <rylan> gyaresu, im not, im trying to install a pluggin to allow my girlfriend to use QQ ( a chinese messenger service)
[11:57] <asoldier> Joshooa : that's scary
[11:57] <gyaresu> rylan: Ah. Any chance that you've done a google search for someone listing how they managed to acheive it?
[11:57] <Joshooa> Yes it is, it took my hours to get it set up in Ubuntu, then I just got Kubuntu going, and had to try and figure it all out again.  It wont remember my ra0 wireless card thingy
[11:57] <gyaresu> Slike: Any chance you wanna install the accelerated ati drivers?
[11:57] <shaun> hey
[11:58] <gyaresu> !howdy | shaun
[11:58] <ubotu> shaun: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[11:58] <rylan> gyaresu, it took me forever just to find this pluggin, (not exactly a common thing) and 90% of the info on it is in chinese,
[11:58] <gyaresu> rylan: I understand.
[11:58] <shaun> i just installed ubuntu 6.10 and i cnt install my nVIDIA drivers
[11:58] <gyaresu> rylan: Post the link to the plugin will you (and the page if it's in english) I'll have look.
[11:58] <gyaresu> !envy | shaun
[11:58] <ubotu> shaun: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[11:59] <varkatope_> hi
[11:59] <Slike> gyaresu: you mean i should install the provided fglrx package?
[11:59] <Mikesdesk> hi, has anyone got mysql workbench to work under dapper
[11:59] <shaun> TY gyaresu
[11:59] <gyaresu> Slike: Sorry I only buy nvidia.
[11:59] <gyaresu> !ati | Slike
[11:59] <ubotu> Slike: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:59] <rylan> gyaresu, gimme a sec
[12:00] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: i couldn't get it to work under edgy
[12:00] <sdac221x_> is this the correct room to ask something about a piece of software ?  I asked a simple question about gkrellm
[12:00] <Slike> gyaresu: i'm quite confident with that, but why is that xserver on all the vty's, and why does it even start when booting runlevel 2?
[12:00] <ekul`> How can i edit xconf from the terminal without being in the graphical thing
[12:01] <rylan> gyaresu, http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/sourceforge/o/op/openq/openq-0.3.1-1.i386.html
[12:01] <Mikesdesk> bill-nz, do you use another gui to represent the tables for mysql. Like workbench does.
[12:01] <varkatope_> ekul`: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:01] <gyaresu> Slike: runlevel 2 is the default. Apparently that's how it's done around here. Weird I know. Which distro are you from?
[12:01] <ekul`> cheers
[12:02] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: i just installed the query browser. i got that to work
[12:02] <gyaresu> rylan: Ah. It's an rpm...
[12:02] <gyaresu> !alien | rylan
[12:02] <ubotu> rylan: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:02] <Slike> gyaresu: i'm using ubuntu server 6.06 on that machine, i use to work with suse or ubuntu. i thought runlevel 5 is the only runlevel that allows x server
[12:02] <gyaresu> rylan: Make sure you have the 'Requires' (Dependencies)
[12:02] <Slike> anyway, i'll try some things
[12:02] <Slike> thank you
[12:03] <gyaresu> Slike: Depends where one puts one init scripts...
[12:03] <rylan> gyaresu, the config goes all the way through to gaim. and i know i have that. im online right now
[12:03] <gyaresu> Slike: np.
[12:03] <gyaresu> rylan: ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/o/op/openq/openq-0.3.1-1.i386.rpm _that_ my friend is a package...
[12:03] <Mikesdesk> bill-nz, I was hoping to visually see how the primary and foreign links connect through all the tables. Its rather a large database..
[12:04] <rylan> gyaresu, and sourceforge had a tar.bz2 of it too
[12:04] <omegabeta> Question : How do I enable mouse in the framebuffer
[12:04] <rylan> gyaresu, and for no apperant reason my computer hates installing new things. 70% of things i try to self install have the same/similar issues
[12:05] <rylan> gyaresu, bottled hate
[12:05] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: i hear you.  i was using workbench when it was dbSomethingOrOther (can't remember what it was called) and it rocked.
[12:05] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: i was kinda ticked when i tried to get it again for this machine and couldn't get it to work
[12:07] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: i'm not sure it its a linux problem, a debian problem, or just an ubuntu problem
[12:07] <omeil_> i can't get quake 3's sound to work
[12:07] <rylan> gyaresu, must be a good sandwich....
[12:07] <Mikesdesk> bill-nz, i saw a huge guide on http://www.monkeyhelper.com but in the end it never worked. This upsets me..
[12:08] <juice`> hi, i still can't install any version of ubuntu. casper.log says "Unable to find a medium containing a life file system' but i've tried 3 different CD on 2 different CD-ROMs
[12:08] <Joshooa> gyaresu: How do I use vimtutor?
[12:08] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: fyi, MySQL Administrator seems to be buggy too.  it locks up every time i try to view the user list
[12:08] <omeil_> Anyone know how to fix this compiling error? checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:08] <Mikesdesk> bill-nz, same
[12:08] <Mikesdesk> bill-nz, are there any alternatives ..
[12:08] <juice`> someone here suggested to add pci=noacpi and acpi=off but that didnt help
[12:09] <gyaresu> rylan: If you're installing from dodgy packages then that will happen. "dependencie hell"
[12:09] <juice`> i can't install ubuntu (any version), cdrom fails to be mounted durning instalation, what to do? i tried changing in BIOS from AHCI to IDE or IDE/RAID but that doesnt help! pci=noacpi and acpi=off doesnt do anything either
[12:10] <gyaresu> Joshooa: Run 'vimtutor' from a terminal and read...
[12:10] <bill-nz> Mikesdesk: if you have money coming out of your ears, there's a MySQL version of TOAD
[12:10] <Joshooa> I got bash: vimtutor: command not found
[12:10] <juice`> gyaresu: oh here you are :) i tried pci=noacpi and acpi=off and that didnt help :( i edited boot options while in the menu and pressing F6
[12:11] <moggio_> how do you remove the top and bottom of the cube in Beryl?
[12:11] <gyaresu> juice`: Cool. That's a learning experience for you. :) F6 is it? Didn't know that...
[12:12] <theOlster> hello all... I'm new to IRC and #ubuntu, and am not sure about etiquette.  Is it OK to ask for support here or should I direct all my questions to the forums?
[12:12] <gyaresu> moggio_: Have you tried asking in the beryl channel?
[12:12] <gyaresu> !welcome theOlster
[12:12] <juice`> gyaresu: yes, but that didnt help :(
[12:12] <gyaresu> !welcome | theOlster
[12:12] <ubotu> theOlster: Welcome to #ubuntu - the Ubuntu support channel.
[12:12] <yunien> hey.. it's ok to use ANSI as encoding for english text, right?
[12:12] <gyaresu> ubotu: tell theOlster about yourself
[12:12] <omeil_> damnit no one can help me with quake 3 arena :(
[12:12] <juice`> gyaresu: i found out though, that it can't load live cd that's why it's failing probably
[12:12] <omeil_> me very angry
[12:12] <omeil_> lol
[12:13] <Psykus> they should really make it so the ubuntu install cd prompts you to boot from it, like microsoft's XP install cds
[12:13] <juice`> gyaresu: what to do now?
[12:13] <Psykus> "Press any key to boot from CD...", and then proceed to boot your first hard drive
[12:13] <theOlster> I'm a Mac user... but have been using FC5/Ubuntu on and off for 3 or so years, looking forward to the final switch
[12:13] <gyaresu> omeil_: It's a well known problem. You will find it on google. I seem to remember something to do with oss/alsa and option strings...
[12:13] <rylan> gyaresu, so, any advice on how i can get around dependancy-hell to cant-get-my-girlfriend-purgatory?
[12:13] <bill-nz> Psykus: it does, but in a much prettier manner
[12:13] <omeil_> hmm we will see :)
[12:13] <gyaresu> rylan: Did you try the link to 'alien' that I posted?
[12:14] <Psykus> nah, the default action for the cd is 'boot from cd', if you don't do anything
[12:14] <Jowi> theOlster, this is the ubuntu support channel so go ahead and ask away
[12:14] <ekul`> !tvout
[12:14] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition (Nvidia cards) or http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout (ATI cards, *untested*)
[12:14] <Psykus> for ubuntu I mean
[12:14] <rylan> gyaresu,  well, there is a tar.bz that i downloaded.
[12:14] <rylan> gyaresu, thats what i am working with here
[12:14] <moggio_> gyaresu: i'll try, it's a bit quiet there though sometimes
[12:14] <gyaresu> juice`: New machine/ Won't start the livecd/ What to do next?
[12:14] <bill-nz> Psykus: oh, got what you mean
[12:14] <ethos> ever used ubuntu ultimate edition?
[12:14] <gyaresu> !alien | rylan
[12:14] <ubotu> rylan: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:14] <PirateHead> gyaresu: just logged back in to tell you that network-manager is magical and works just fine
[12:14] <gyaresu> rylan: ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/o/op/openq/openq-0.3.1-1.i386.rpm Try the rpm.
[12:15] <PirateHead> They should put it in the base Ubuntu install fo sho -- it's a very nice little app.
[12:15] <rylan> gyaresu,  shouldnt i try to work around the problems with the tar.bz?
[12:15] <Rebecca> hey. i seem to have locked up my usb system.. lsusb freezes and kill -9 won't even remove it.. anyone know how to fix without rebooting?
[12:15] <timhaughton> I know that Edgy will be supported for 18 months from its release, but when Feisty comes out, do the versions of packages in Feisty make it back to Edgy via the backports? Or will Edgy always be bahind?
[12:15] <gyaresu> rylan: Should I repeat my self and use caps or something? You could just not take my advice, that's ok too ;)
[12:16] <timhaughton> *behind
[12:16] <theOlster> OK, I (will) have two desktops (one of which is my MacBook) and a server all running Edgy, I want to have a couple of folders syched up at all times.  What software should I be looking at?  Or should I start practicing my bash/MySQL coding!?
[12:16] <PirateHead> timhaughton: some packages may be packported to Edgy, but the effort will not be as extensive as Dapper's
[12:16] <gyaresu> Rebecca: Got any output in syslog or messages?
[12:16] <rylan> gyaresu, sorry, i just thought that rpm would just open a whole new universe of hate for me to reside in
[12:16] <PirateHead> timhaughton: when feisty comes out, it is expected that the majority of users will either upgrade to Feisty
[12:16] <varkatope_> theOlster: rsync maybe a solution
[12:16] <Jowi> Rebecca, you didn't happen to upgrade the kernel from 2.6.17-10-generic to 2.6.17-11-generic by any chance?
[12:17] <juice`> gyaresu: i dont know?
[12:17] <PirateHead> ...or stay with Dapper
[12:17] <PirateHead> hit enter prematurely, sorry
[12:17] <Slike> gyaresu: i got further now, this time xserver attempts to start but fails, saying "no screens found"
[12:17] <timhaughton> PirateHead, OK thanks. I'm still a bit wary of the upgrade, as it totalled my edgy system. Hopefully Mondo will provide a safety net.
[12:17] <juice`> i can't install ubuntu (any version), cdrom fails to be mounted durning instalation, what to do? i tried changing in BIOS from AHCI to IDE or IDE/RAID but that doesnt help! pci=noacpi and acpi=off doesnt do anything either. please help me someone
[12:17] <Rebecca> Jowi: not intentionally. im checking now though
[12:17] <gyaresu> rylan: Did you read what 'alien' is? It makes you a .deb package for installation. I'm trying to make it easier, not harder for you.
[12:17] <theOlster> varkatope_: Thanks, I'll have a look at that...
[12:17] <timhaughton> PirateHead, I meant it totalled my Dapper system, when upgrading to Edgy.
[12:18] <PirateHead> timhaughton: I never upgrade anymore. I just put stuff I want to keep between installations on a different partition, and completely reinstall the OS from scratch.
[12:18] <rylan> gyaresu, ubotu said it was dangerous, people should listen to robots. just look how it turned out for will robinson
[12:18] <PirateHead> timhaughton: I've also had my share of bad "upgrade" experiences, and find that a fresh install every 6 months is nice for housecleaning too
[12:18] <Jowi> Rebecca, I just filed a bug for 2.6.17-11-generic. I got constant USB failures/disconnects/reconnects on that kernel. this might not be connected to your problem though, just wanted to let you know.
[12:18] <techie> rylan what was dangerous! I just came in and did not want to mess up my system either!
[12:18] <timhaughton> Prinsessa, Yeah, I'll probably do that too, then try the upgrade, just in case it works :)
[12:19] <rylan> techie, danger will robinson DANGER
[12:19] <timhaughton> Prinsessa, Sorry, I meant PirateHead
[12:19] <gyaresu> rylan: Yeah. But does ubuotu speak chinese?
[12:19] <rylan> gyaresu, it can
[12:19] <techie> gyaresu.. Chinese? ni hao
[12:19] <gyaresu> !cn
[12:19] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[12:20] <bill-nz> techie: using alien to install rpms in debian
[12:20] <techie> bill-nz thanks for filling me in
[12:20] <PirateHead> bill-nz: why?
[12:20] <Rebecca> Jowi: hmmm. nope. im on 2.6.17-10-generic
[12:20] <PirateHead> bill-nz: why not just repackage them into debian format?
[12:20] <techie> any of you guys know the best way to run window programs in ubutnu edgy?
[12:21] <bill-nz> PirateHead: because debian isn't redhat :p
[12:21] <gyaresu> juice`: Sorry it's a troubling one. It's a new machine so I'm certain you need to pass some boot parameter to stop it choking.
[12:21] <varkatope_> techie: wine
[12:21] <techie> I already mounted windows and can read all but not execute programs...
[12:21] <PirateHead> techie: either wine (crossover), or cedega (for games)
[12:21] <gyaresu> techie: VirtualBox
[12:21] <gyaresu> !virtualbox | techie
[12:21] <ubotu> techie: VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[12:21] <rylan> gyaresu, btw im using edgy not dapper. just incase something comes up where there is a differance
[12:21] <PirateHead> gyaresu: that is not running windows programs IN ubuntu edgy =P
[12:21] <Xif> Hi. Where do I check if Ubuntu Edgy correctly recognized my monitor, and change it if necessary?
[12:21] <techie> how do i know whether wine is already installed in my system or is that part of ubuntu 6.10?
[12:21] <gyaresu> PirateHead: True.
[12:22] <PirateHead> techie: it is not part of ubuntu 6.10. You will have to install it.
[12:22] <Xif> techie: it's not a part of Edgy
[12:22] <gyaresu> techie: 'apt-cache search wine'
[12:22] <varkatope_> Xif: /var/log/Xorg.0.log to change: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <PirateHead> techie: to check, open a terminal and type 'wine -v'
[12:22] <Xif> techie: apt-cache policy wine
[12:22] <gyaresu> techie: 'dpkg --get-selections | grep -i wine
[12:22] <techie> gyaresu i nstalled it yesterday and somehow their deb seems to be corrupted, i had a heck of a time uninstalling it.
[12:22] <Xif> varkatope_: thanks, was hoping for some GUI way.
[12:22] <PirateHead> techie: rather, just type 'wine'
[12:23] <bill-nz> techie: you can use the Synaptic Package Manager under the system menu and if it's got a green box beside wine, it's installed. if the box is white, it's not installed
[12:23] <PirateHead> techie: if you have wine installed, it will print out a little blurb. otherwise, it will say command not found.
[12:23] <varkatope_> Xif: there is a gui app for xserver-setup, just forgot the name
[12:23] <rylan> i think my computer wants a dr. pepper
[12:23] <sjust1216> anyone know anything about printing on a usb port
[12:23] <techie> Piratehead, you guys know lots! This is my 6th day in Ubuntu!
[12:23] <varkatope_> Xif: xorg-edit is the name
[12:23] <gyaresu> techie: Remove all downloaded packages with 'apt-get clean'
[12:23] <PirateHead> techie: if you heart tech support and like extra features to tinker with, you can pay for Crossover Wine -- otherwise, you can install free wine and do your own tech support
[12:23] <pi_> hi guys
[12:24] <whieimhere> Im looking for a tutorial on how to split large MPEG or AVI files into two or more pieces for writing to DVD since I don't have a DVDRW
[12:24] <whieimhere> Any ideas?
[12:24] <Xif> varkatope_: thanks, I'll try it.
[12:24] <pi_> some troubles with login
[12:24] <juice`> i can't install ubuntu (any version), cdrom fails to be mounted durning instalation, what to do? i tried changing in BIOS from AHCI to IDE or IDE/RAID but that doesnt help! pci=noacpi and acpi=off doesnt do anything either. please help me someone
[12:24] <gyaresu> rylan: are you alien'ing the package?
[12:24] <rylan> gyaresu, im in china, im still downloading
[12:24] <varkatope_> Xif: yiou have to put this in your sources.list: deb http://ubuntu.geole.info/ dapper universe multiverse, make sudo apt-get update and the sudo apt-get install xorg-edit
[12:24] <PirateHead> whiemihere: use 7-zip =D
[12:25] <rylan> gyaresu, wooo blazing fast 7.3kb/s
[12:25] <techie> PirateHead got this after the wine - v wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\-v.exe": Module not found
[12:25] <PirateHead> techie: wine is installed on your system, then
[12:25] <Psykus> can anyone help out with ndiswrapper? read the wiki, followed instructions, and it's installed and setup, showing wlan0 as a new interface. ndiswrapper reports that the hardware is detected, only thing is, I can't connect to anything
[12:25] <whieimhere> Piratehead what is that and will it split files?
[12:25] <rylan> techie, wine runs programs, not windows
[12:25] <pi_> login window -> I insert my login and password - 2/3 seconds and the system show another times the login window and I can't login in the system
[12:25] <techie> rylan... ah,
[12:25] <HymnToLife> Psykus, what happens when you try ?
[12:25] <gyaresu> whieimhere: Well you could use 'split' but it's probably messy... or ffmpeg or mencoder (yeah. probably mencoder)
[12:26] <rylan> techie, just run whatever program you need, not the whole OS
[12:26] <techie> PirateHead so if is already installed what is the next step
[12:26] <Psykus> no networks show up in the network config window, and entering in my network information manually does nothing
[12:26] <HymnToLife> hmm
[12:26] <rylan> techie, what are you trying to open exactly?
[12:26] <PirateHead> whiemihere: 7-zip can split a tar archive into volumes, then reconstitute them elsewhere.
[12:26] <techie> rylan... how ?
[12:26] <HymnToLife> what kind of card is it ?
[12:26] <pi_> ctrl-alt F1 - login - and I can login - any idea?
[12:26] <PirateHead> thiemihere: this would accomplish your task by allowing you to transfer each of the archive volumes on a separate disk
[12:26] <techie> let me look exactly and see if I find a simple program to test.
[12:26] <techie> hold on.
[12:26] <rylan> go to the wine website, im not a wine expert or anything i just know what it does
[12:26] <techie> going to windows files to look
[12:26] <Psykus> HymnToLife, motorola wireless g pci card...can't remember the specifics, but I had it working fine on an older version of ubuntu, using ndiswrapper
[12:26] <PirateHead> techie: what Windows program are you trying to run?
[12:27] <HymnToLife> then you might have done something wrong
[12:27] <Jowi> juice`, so the cd boots?
[12:27] <HymnToLife> wrong driver maybe ?
[12:27] <rylan> techie, i know it runs WOW,
[12:27] <Psykus> i think it's one of the bcm chipsets, judging by the file names of the .inf files on the driver cd
[12:27] <Xif> varkatope_: I'd prefer to do it on the text file, but I don't understand what 'Option      "DPMS"' means
[12:27] <techie> PirateHead, none in particular so let me find one and I will tell you.
[12:27] <HymnToLife> Psykus, did you blacklist bcm43xx ?
[12:27] <Psykus> HymnToLife, only two .inf files on the CD, neither worked
[12:27] <Xif> varkatope_: will xorg-edit help me with that?
[12:27] <PirateHead> techie: try typing "wine notepad"
[12:27] <Psykus> HymnToLife, yes
[12:27] <varkatope_> Xif: its the powersaving option done by the monitor itself
[12:27] <HymnToLife> and where did you get the driver you installed ?
[12:27] <juice`> i can't install ubuntu (any version), cdrom fails to be mounted durning instalation, what to do? i tried changing in BIOS from AHCI to IDE or IDE/RAID but that doesnt help! pci=noacpi and acpi=off doesnt do anything either. please help me someone
[12:27] <PirateHead> techie: that will test your installation by running ye olde blande windowes editore
[12:27] <Psykus> ndiswrapper says 'hardware detected' for both .inf files when they're installed and running
[12:28] <Psykus> HymnToLife, driver CD
[12:28] <rylan> gyaresu, damn
[12:28] <HymnToLife> try to look in the ndiswrapper wiki
[12:28] <Psykus> should I get a newer one from the internet?
[12:28] <sjust1216> Why when I plug in an usb printer /dev/lp0 or /dev/usb/lp0 do not get created running edgy
[12:28] <varkatope_> Xif: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPMS
[12:28] <Goneburger> hey there, just studying for my IT diploma, were touching on kernels, can someone tell me why microsofts idea of a kernel is different from that of a unix kernel?
[12:28] <juice`> i can't install ubuntu (any version), cdrom fails to be mounted durning instalation, what to do? i tried changing in BIOS from AHCI to IDE or IDE/RAID but that doesnt help! pci=noacpi and acpi=off doesnt do anything neither. I tried different CD and CD-ROMs. please help me someone.
[12:28] <popetmaster> / server www.irc.cl
[12:28] <Xif> varkatope_: thanks again :)
[12:28] <techie> PirateHEad, I did what you told me wine notepad... This is sooooo COOL when notepad came up!
[12:28] <gyaresu> rylan: alien ryan, alien.
[12:28] <PirateHead> juice`: can you install anything?
[12:29] <techie> it worked
[12:29] <Jowi> juice`, does "any version" include the alternate cd burned at low speed (x2-x4)?
[12:29] <juice`> Goneburger: microsoft has micro-kernel
[12:29] <PirateHead> juice`: like, for example, knoppix?
[12:29] <juice`> no, only ubuntu
[12:29] <techie> PirateHead , so I can do the same with any program?
[12:29] <rdz> !intel mac
[12:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <juice`> debian installs fine
[12:29] <Goneburger> does ubuntu use a monolithic kernel?
[12:29] <rylan> gyaresu, im still at 35% you have enough time to watch the first season before i finish this DL
[12:29] <PirateHead> juice`: microsoft does NOT have a microkernel
[12:29] <juice`> Any version of Ubuntu
[12:29] <Jowi> rdz, what's the problem?
[12:29] <techie> Wow and double Wow!
[12:29] <HymnToLife> Psykus, search for your card here, with it's PCIID http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[12:29] <HymnToLife> Goneburger, Linux _is_ a monolithic kernel
[12:29] <rdz> Jowi, which ubuntu shoud i download for intel mac mini?
[12:29] <Goneburger> oh
[12:29] <PirateHead> juice`: unless something changed recently...?
[12:30] <varkatope_> PirateHead: and what is ntoskernel.exe??
[12:30] <Goneburger> so whats the advantages of a monolithic kernel over a micro kernel?
[12:30] <PirateHead> techie: not all programs work perfectly with wine
[12:30] <Jowi> rdz, you got the core duo cpu or core 2 duo or something else?
[12:30] <rylan> varkatope_, the boy band of kernals?
[12:30] <dave84> dos2unix where do I get it??
[12:30] <PirateHead> varkatope_: ntoskernel.exe contains a multitude of progrma logic that Windows uses to perform its many tasks
[12:30] <gyaresu> rylan: See you in the pegasus galaxy :) Good luck. (If it doesn't work then think about looking for a plugin for another client)
[12:31] <juice`> PirateHead: yes, i can install anything, like debian, but not ubuntu
[12:31] <techie> Piratehead, i understand and after i got out of the program I had to do a crtl c crl l to clear my terminal because there was an empty white rectangular left there.
[12:31] <neo2dot0> whats the name of the applet that shows battery charge?
[12:31] <Goneburger> is the HAL layer and kernel defined as 'one' in windows?
[12:31] <neo2dot0> i don't mean gnome-power-manager, but the applet
[12:31] <rdz> Jowi, core duo
[12:31] <PirateHead> techie: programs that do not exit with the right code will hang your terminal, yes
[12:31] <Jowi> rdz, the normal desktop-i386 one.
[12:31] <techie> Piratehead, understood.
[12:32] <rdz> Jowi, many thanks
[12:32] <Xif> Can I have a different set of Desktop icons for each desktop (1, 2, 3 etc.)?
[12:32] <Jowi> np rdz
[12:32] <Goneburger> or is the HAL layer something different than a kernel?
[12:32] <neo2dot0> how do i start it in a cli?
[12:32] <PirateHead> techie: as a general tip, I always suggest backing up your ~/.wine directory before installing new programs
[12:32] <Psykus> HymnToLife, thanks...card is WPCI810G PCI Adapter, reading over the notes now
[12:32] <PirateHead> tehchie: that way, if something goes awry, you can just restore the backup
[12:32] <Psykus> says it works with ndiswrapper 0.12
[12:32] <CyberCod> anyone know a good program for remastering an ISO?
[12:32] <HymnToLife> Psykus, search with the pciid, not the card name
[12:32] <techie> Piratehead, do you know about usb? for example trying to send recorded info from handheld recorder to pc via usb cable but ubuntu does not recognize my us ports. there is not thingy connection when i do it.
[12:33] <PirateHead> CyberCod: do you need some feature in particular?
[12:33] <CyberCod> a linux live disk re-mastering program?
[12:33] <juice`> Jowi: well no, i didnt burn ubuntu at low speed, but i tried different cdroms, and CDs and for example, debian works fine.
[12:33] <CyberCod> well... i installed DSL in an old laptop, and I need to basically make a restore disk
 how do you backup wine before installing new programs?
[12:33] <PirateHead> techie: USB is a real mystery to me. I don't understand how the subsystem works in the least.
[12:33] <juice`> Jowi: i don't think this is problem with cdrom itself, they are quite new TDK CDs
[12:33] <sjust1216> does anyone know about printing in ubuntu or where I should go to ask for help
[12:33] <CyberCod> I'm in Ubuntu on my main, (thats where the burner is)
yeap it means that it is about usb
[12:34] <juice`> Jowi: and are readable on other computers
at least i can do lots of other stuff not usb related so i will not worry much
[12:34] <Goneburger> has there ever been any problems with system components and the linux kernel?
[12:34] <Goneburger> like bugs in device drivers?
[12:34] <PirateHead> techie: I usually run this command: 'cp -R ~/.wine ~/winebkups/wine-bkup-todays_date'
[12:34] <Jowi> rdz, I don't dualboot. If you are looking to replace OSX with Ubuntu you can have a look at my site http://burninghands.eu I wrote a piece for myself there in the articles section reg ubuntu install on intel mac mini.
[12:35] <juice`> if anyone could help me, here is a thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=377491
[12:35] <PirateHead> techie: then, to restore from your backup, you do 'rm -R ~/.wine; cp -R ~/winebkups/wine-bkup-latest_date ~/.wine'
[12:35] <yunien> why are there versions like ubuntu ultimate? why don't they just work for the "normal" ubuntu?
[12:35] <Jowi> rdz, if you need to dualboot OSX see some other guide though :)
[12:35] <CyberCod> I'd like to be able to install from the disk and get everything back like I got it... it took me a week to customize it
[12:36] <Psykus> HymnToLife, lspci says "01:09.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wirelss LAN Controller (rev 03)", matches the chipset of the one listed on that page
[12:36] <PirateHead> yunien: what is ubuntu ultimate?
[12:36] <knoppix> hello
[12:36] <HymnToLife> ok, you should be fine then
[12:36] <techie> Piratehead i pasted 'cp -R ~/.wine ~/winebkups/wine-bkup-todays_date' and got no such file or directory
[12:36] <PirateHead> hello knoppix
[12:36] <ekul`> finally got my tvout to work, but its a different display and i keep losing my mouse over there. How can i set it up so my tv is a copy of my screen?
[12:36] <yomm> juice : does your pc bios include ide settings like "compatible/enhanced" ... ?
[12:36] <PirateHead> techie: you can't copy files to folders that don't exist
[12:36] <juice`> yomm: don't think so, but this is new motherboard with ICH8
[12:36] <PirateHead> you'll need to create the ~/winebkups folder if you want to backup there
[12:36] <yunien> PirateHead check http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/#1.2
[12:36] <knoppix> hi PirateHead
[12:37] <juice`> yomm: i have AHCI or IDE or IDE/RAID options
so how come the notepad worked before and I did not install it .
[12:37] <Psykus> HymnToLife, ok, going to try with those drivers
[12:37] <juice`> yomm: and i tried all of them, and everything was the same
[12:37] <yomm> juice : check it , if there are , try changing from enhanced to compatible , and see if the cd boots then
when I tried the wine notepad it worked fine
[12:37] <PirateHead> yunien: ubuntu ultimate looks like an extended installation of ubuntu that does configuration for you that you'd otherwise have to do yourself
[12:37] <Goneburger> is IPC basically the same as a system bus?
[12:37] <juice`> yomm: ok, but i think i's for old motherboards, right?
[12:38] <PirateHead> yunien: if you are really bad at configuring things, you might want to get ubuntu ultimate -- if you can figure stuff out, I'd keep your money
[12:38] <Xif> Every time I logoff Edgy, I get the following annoying popup ''These windows do not support "save current setup" and will have to be restarted manually next time you log in.'
[12:38] <yunien> i'd like to configure nothing - just like in windows
[12:38] <yomm> juice : well , I'm still having issues sometimes even on "more" recent boards
[12:38] <Xif> Can I have it just automatically close those?
[12:38] <PirateHead> techie: the fact that notepad worked fine means that the base wine installation is working. Certian "standard" Windows programs, such as notepad and the registry editor, are included by default.
[12:38] <techie> Piratehead is there a collection of commands like the wine notepad etc... that I can have or tuck away in a text editor for later use. Or is there any documentation with all these hacks already in it for reference!
understood
[12:39] <juice`> yomm: ok i will be back in 2-3 minutes
[12:39] <yomm> juice :
[12:39] <PirateHead> techie: if you want to see what is installed in your wine "virtual C:/ drive", run this command: 'nautilus ~/.wine/drive_c'
[12:40] <yomm> juice : I have to set to compatible mode quite often to install/boot things off cd
 with or without the ' ?
[12:40] <yomm> depends on the configuration ...
[12:40] <PirateHead> techie: no '
[12:40] <PirateHead> techie: that is simply to mark the beginning and end of the command I am suggesting
[12:41] <techie> I got two folders one for programs and the other for windows
[12:41] <techie> Piratehead they are both folders.
[12:41] <PirateHead> techie: that's the way it should be. =D
[12:42] <PirateHead> this is going to Drive C in My Computer when you're running Windows
[12:42] <PirateHead> I assume you've used Windows at some point?
[12:42] <IdleOne> Jowi, may I msg you ?
[12:43] <PirateHead> yunien: if you like zero-configuration, I suggest the Linux distribution called Linspire
i have a double boot xp and ubuntu and of the two folders (Programs) inside has a subfolder called common and inside is empty
[12:43] <techie> this whole thing is very cool indeed
[12:43] <kenthomson> NVIDIA DRIVERS HELP; i want the latest official nvidia drivers, do you recommend adding lupine's repos or albert-milone's repos to my sources.list?
[12:43] <PirateHead> yunien: It isn't related to Ubuntu, but it's geared towards people who like to spend their time *using* their comptuer rather than configuring it. =D
[12:43] <Psykus> HymnToLife, still not seeing any networks, installed the driver recommended on that page..do I need to re-modprobe ndiswrapper or anything like that?
[12:43] <rylan> ubotu, alien
[12:43] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:43] <HymnToLife> Psykus, I'd guess so
so let us say I try wine program and it does not work, then how do i install it so it will work, or at least to see if it does
[12:44] <juice`> yomm: no luck
[12:44] <Psykus> HymnToLife, ah, well, I already tried.. sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, put me back at a prompt
[12:44] <PirateHead> techie: I suggest checking the WineHQ AppDB regarding programs you might want to install
[12:44] <techie> how do i do that.
[12:44] <yomm> juice : what settings are there ?
[12:44] <juice`> yomm: i dont have this option
[12:44] <techie> how do i check the winehq appdb
[12:44] <yomm> juice : I see
[12:44] <Jowi> IdleOne, ok
[12:44] <techie> is this a command WineHQ AppDB?
[12:45] <kenthomson> can someone please help me with the repos-for-nvidia drivers question?
[12:45] <juice`> yomm: i have Onboard Sata/IDE Device option
[12:45] <juice`> yomm: which i can enable or disable
[12:45] <Psykus> doing ndiswrapper -l gives me "bcmwl5     driver installed, hardware present"
[12:45] <PirateHead> techie: go to http://appdb.winehq.org and do a search on the sidebar on the left for the name of your program
[12:45] <Psykus> ifconfig shows a wlan0, not configured though
[12:45] <juice`> yomm: also SATA ctrl method, which i can select from AHCI, IDE or IDE/RAID
[12:45] <HymnToLife> Psykus, it definitely should work then, what are you doing next
[12:45] <HymnToLife> ?
[12:45] <Psykus> and no config changes stick
[12:45] <techie> PirateHead, I must run and I will check. thanks a million.
[12:45] <kenthomson> ?
[12:45] <Psykus> HymnToLife, going to the network configuration in ubuntu, trying to setup a network
[12:46] <PirateHead> techie: have fun, cheers, and good luck.
[12:46] <yomm> juice : but nothing in the likes of compatibility ?
[12:46] <juice`> yomm: nope
[12:46] <yomm> juice , I see , i'm out of ideas then :/
[12:46] <HymnToLife> Psykus, have you tried using the command line to configure it ?
[12:46] <Psykus> HymnToLife, well, there's already one going..it just doesn't show any SSIDs in the list
[12:46] <juice`> yomm: it is Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 motherboard
[12:46] <rylan> can anyone gimme a hand with getting an RPM package to work? somethign about Alien?
[12:46] <PirateHead> juice`: I hate Gigabyte stuff. =P
[12:46] <juice`> yomm: if you think about anything, please leave an idea at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=377491
[12:46] <yomm> k
[12:46] <Psykus> HymnToLife, what command do I need to use?
[12:46] <PirateHead> juice`: get a nice FIC motherboard
[12:46] <rylan> the guy who was helping me left to watch battlestar or something like that
[12:46] <PirateHead> that's my crappy advice
[12:47] <juice`> PirateHead: i just bought it and it's nice ;)
[12:47] <A[D] minS> how i can change IP by command line and make it my default IP?
[12:47] <A[D] minS> !eth*
[12:47] <A[D] minS> !ethX
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eth* - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <juice`> PirateHead: XBitlabs reviewed it high, and i personally think it's good motherboard. quite cheap for what i get
[12:48] <PirateHead> juice: enjoy it, then. =D
[12:48] <juice`> i never liked gigabyte too though, but i never liked intel too, and i haven conroe
[12:48] <juice`> so far, i enjoy ubuntu
[12:48] <PirateHead> juice: if you're savvy enough, I'd just suggest skipping Ubuntu and installing Debian
[12:48] <juice`> seems like a good idea, a shame though people on #ubuntu suggest using another OS
[12:48] <Psykus> nevermind, found it
[12:48] <PirateHead> juice`: I have no loyalty. =P
[12:49] <rylan> can anyone gimme a hand with getting an RPM package to work? somethign about Alien?
[12:49] <defrysk> rylan, what package and why ?
[12:49] <PirateHead> juice`:  besides, Ubuntu is based on Debian, uses many of the same programs as Debian does, etc. Debian is well-established as a high-quality OS.
[12:49] <juice`> guess Ubuntu had it days, and now it isnt even able to install itself on 4-5 months old machine
[12:50] <rylan> defrysk, openq and because the tar.bz is farked
[12:50] <HymnToLife> Psykus, sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_ESSID key YOUR_WEP_KEY
[12:50] <PirateHead> juice`: it's a real shame that it won't Just Work(tm), and unforunately I have no experience relevant to how you might get things working. I hope somebody answers your forum post.
[12:50] <Xif> Is there a keybinding to focus on icons in the taskbar?
[12:50] <rylan> i tried getting debian, gave up, ubuntu is easier for newbs
[12:51] <sjust1216> rylan try checking out this page http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/23/installing-using-an-rpm-file/
[12:51] <rylan> sjust1216, danke
[12:52] <juice`> rylan: i have the exact opposite experience
[12:52] <sjust1216> no prob
[12:52] <afflux> do I need the avahi-daemon if I'm alone in my network?
[12:52] <yomm> does debian still use Xfree86 ?
[12:52] <rylan> juice`, really, i got ubuntu to work on random chinese motherboard plus frankenstien equipment
[12:52] <tschaka> lol
[12:52] <juice`> i think it uses xorg or whatever it is called
[12:53] <yomm> juice : i dont think it uses xorg
[12:53] <rylan> well i think it uses gremlins
[12:53] <juice`> hmmm http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian
[12:53] <rylan> high quality gremlins. not slave trade korean gremlins like Win XP
[12:53] <juice`> well, it has xorg as available package, that's for sure ;)
[12:54] <sjust1216> I have ubuntu running on a five yr old hp 633 celeron 512 ram for two weeks straight no prob
[12:54] <juice`> no idea what's default
[12:54] <Tommis> Hey, any reason why gnome pannel keeps crashing on my ubuntu comp? I have uninstalled it, and installed it, but no luck. Right know i have that "gnome pannel" uninstalled. Any fix and reason for this? :/
[12:54] <juice`> i have debians running all over the place, but i installed my friend ubuntu becouse heard it's 'easy'. :|
[12:54] <yomm> Piratehead : any idea on Debian default X ?
[12:55] <juice`> maybe someone defending Ubuntu will have pity on me and help me out ...
[12:55] <ekul`> screwed up my xorg, how can i restore it with my backup?
[12:55] <sjust1216> I have been having problems with my gnome-panel as well
[12:55] <juice`> with my installation problem
[12:55] <yomm> juice : go VISTA !
[12:55] <juice`> ;)
[12:55] <juice`> go Vista yourself!
[12:55] <yomm> vistaaaaaaah :)
[12:55] <Tommis> Microsoft, laugh
[12:55] <Psykus> no no no no
[12:56] <kane77> yomm, ehm.. you sure?
[12:56] <rylan> lol
[12:56] <juice`> vista you all
[12:56] <BeowulfOF> Vista has crap
[12:56] <juice`> let's not swear
[12:56] <juice`> (vista)
[12:56] <Psykus> HymnToLife, still no changes, trying to configure it with iwconfig does the same thing pretty much, puts me back to a command prompt, no changes
[12:56] <yomm> -> VistaBuntu <--
[12:57] <Psykus> going to try installing the older version of ndiswrapper
[12:57] <juice`> no replies :( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=377491
[12:58] <afflux> juice`: when exactly does it stop?
[12:58] <rylan> anyone help me with getting an RPM to work.
[12:58] <yomm> kane77 : as sure as I was serious :)
[12:58] <GreenD> rylan
[12:58] <GreenD> Use alien.
[12:58] <rylan> how
[12:58] <kane77> is there any app that would do something like 'watch' does only in GUI (or applet)??
[12:58] <GreenD> Convert to deb.
[12:58] <rylan> GreenD, how.
[12:58] <GreenD> sudo aot-get install alien.
[12:59] <GreenD> man alien, and learn.
[12:59] <Bantroth> does anyone here have the time to help me?
[12:59] <GreenD> Bantroth, ask.
[12:59] <lisette> SONDERBLADE:jag ep xchat. ska ner till tvttstugan kommer om 10 min. lisette
[12:59] <Bantroth> Im having some networking problems
[12:59] <HymnToLife> Psykus, that's normawl, why should it output something ?
[12:59] <Bantroth> and I dont understand why route -n gives me 2 eth1s
[12:59] <GreenD> Elaborate.
[01:00] <`nicola> I've got a strange problem: when I hit "up" Xchat does not rewrite what I wrote, and the same happens in the terminal... (the key "up" works). what could it be ? thanks
[01:00] <HymnToLife> now use dhclient to connect, if your network is usig dhcp
[01:00] <GreenD> Is it giving you any problems though?
[01:00] <rylan> GreenD, ok, while this is installing, can you explain how it works?
[01:00] <PirateHead> yomm: no clue on debian default X
[01:00] <PirateHead> yomm: ask in #debian maybe? =D
[01:00] <Psykus> HymnToLife, I meant, it didn't output anything, like it worked, but nothing actually happened, I go back, and no ssid is set
[01:00] <Bantroth> yeah.. Im having some problems
[01:00] <GreenD> I don't remember, but do a man alien and learn. It was easy.
[01:00] <Bantroth> if you want me to I can elaborate the problems
[01:00] <GreenD> Sure
[01:00] <rylan> ubotu, alien
[01:00] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[01:01] <HymnToLife> yomm, Xorg in Etch and higher
[01:01] <rylan> damn you ubotu, too vague
[01:01] <juice`> yomm: just asked, it's Xorg
[01:01] <juice`> yomm: so i was right
[01:01] <yomm> :p
[01:01] <yomm> xorg it is :)
[01:01] <juice`> unless you mean some pre-historic version of debian like sarge
[01:02] <Rebecca> is it possible to restart my usb modules/system?
[01:02] <yomm> nah the latest
[01:02] <sjust1216> rylan sudo alien -k name_of_pckg.rpm and it will creat a .deb file which you can install
[01:02] <Ubuntu_Luv_slut> hi
[01:02] <afflux> hey, does anyone know wether I need the avahi-daemon, if I'm alone in my network?
[01:02] <juice`> stupid ICH8 :(
[01:02] <Bantroth> GreenD Im having problems connecting to my router, when I ping it, I get 100% packet loss, when I access the internet, DNS lookup is very slow, and all the other (windows) comps work on the network,
[01:02] <juice`> hey, one thing
[01:02] <slinky> Does Ubuntu 64-bit support ATI CrossFire X850 video cards in CrossFire mode?
[01:02] <rylan> sjust1216, thanks
[01:02] <juice`> what kernel version Alpha 5 uses to install ??
[01:03] <juice`> if it's 2.6.17 then i know why i can't install it
[01:03] <yomm> juice : feisty should be a newer kernel i i think
[01:03] <juice`> which one exactly?
[01:04] <HymnToLife> 2.6.20
[01:04] <juice`> are you sure?
[01:04] <Psykus> ugh
[01:04] <sjust1216> I have a nautilus script so thats it is in my right click menu when I choose a .rpm file to make it easy
[01:04] <HymnToLife> yes
[01:04] <Psykus> ugh
[01:04] <juice`> damn, then i have no clues.
[01:04] <Sbreeze> Anybody know if I can install IP Masq easy?
[01:04] <juice`> HymnToLife: maybe you will have idea what to do?
[01:04] <Ubuntu_Luv_slut> grEEKy
[01:04] <HymnToLife> what's the problem ?
[01:04] <Ubuntu_Luv_slut> GreenD
[01:04] <grEEKy> yes
[01:04] <grEEKy> ?
[01:04] <Ubuntu_Luv_slut> I need some help
[01:04] <grEEKy> whats up?
[01:04] <SoulW> lol
[01:04] <grEEKy> :E
[01:04] <Ubuntu_Luv_slut> sorry i meant GreenD
[01:04] <juice`> HymnToLife: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=377491
[01:04] <adamus> hi, can anyone give me a brief answer to an LDAP config question?
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[01:04] <Lynoure> !ops
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[01:05] <Ubuntu_Luv_slut> perhaps you can help
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[01:05] <SoulW> I WANT A FUCKIN QUADRO POUNDER WIHT NO SHIT THAT GROWZ ON TREEZ
[01:05] <defrysk> !ops
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[01:05] <SoulW> I WANT A FUCKIN QUADRO POUNDER WIHT NO SHIT THAT GROWZ ON TREEZ
[01:05] <SoulW> I WANT A FUCKIN QUADRO POUNDER WIHT NO SHIT THAT GROWZ ON TREEZ
[01:05] <SoulW> I WANT A FUCKIN QUADRO POUNDER WIHT NO SHIT THAT GROWZ ON TREEZ
[01:06] <sjust1216> and Hobbsee
[01:06] <afflux> what the...?
[01:06] <HymnToLife> juice`, Live CD or Alternate ?
[01:07] <juice`> HymnToLife: LiveCD
[01:07] <juice`> HymnToLife: does it matter?
[01:07] <HymnToLife> juice`, try the alternate then
[01:07] <juice`> you mean server install ?
[01:07] <HymnToLife> no
[01:08] <HymnToLife> I mean the Alternatce CD
[01:08] <HymnToLife> it will install a "standard" system but the installer is text-based
[01:08] <afflux> text-mode installer
[01:08] <rEsPeCT> t
[01:08] <m4n> ps2 mouse is not working with my laptop
[01:08] <m4n> nc6400
[01:08] <juice`> hmm i wonder where is it
[01:08] <juice`> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-March/000256.html
[01:08] <techie> just one fast question, how do I find out which version of wine I am using in my Ubuntu system?
[01:09] <juice`> not here
[01:09] <magnushc> is it only me, or is the nes emulator that comes whit ubuntu real slow?
[01:09] <slinky> Does anyone know if 64-bit ubuntu will support ATI X850 CrossFire cards runniing in CrossFire Mpde?
[01:09] <juice`> and i have to use 2.6.20 kernel installation i suppose
[01:09] <juice`> since i have ICH8 chipset
[01:09] <HymnToLife> is it supported only in 2.6.20 kernel ?
[01:09] <ardchoille> Back in a bit :)
[01:09] <juice`> HymnToLife: and 2.6.19
[01:09] <juice`> but 6.10 is 2.6.17
[01:10] <HymnToLife> I guess your only option is Feisty then
[01:10] <juice`> which is a shame, a wanted to help a friend recreate his errors on his 6.06
[01:10] <juice`> but oh well.
[01:10] <albert> hola
[01:10] <juice`> this is the page where is feisty https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-March/000256.html
[01:10] <juice`> where is alternate version? :|
[01:11] <techie> can anybody tell me the wine version used with ubuntu 6.10 edgy
[01:11] <techie> ?
[01:11] <juice`> oh sorry.
[01:11] <juice`> nevermind.
[01:11] <rylan> why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:11] <adamus> can anyone tell me what DN to use for LDAP when I only want to have passwd stuff shared, but don't have a domain name?
[01:11] <afflux> techie: apt-cache policy wine
[01:11] <techie> thanks afflux
[01:11] <sjust1216> can anyone tell me why /dev/lp0 or /dev/usb/lp0 would not be created when I plug in a usb printer
[01:12] <sjust1216> running 6.10
[01:12] <steven43126> adamus, you can use whatever DN you want
[01:12] <Psykus> ok, now i've probably messed something up, HymnToLife, "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument"
[01:12] <rylan> ok, i just installed a pluggin for gaim. and restarted gaim. nothing happened. do i need to restart or did some magical "anti-rylan" hit my computer and made it so that nothing is going to work
[01:12] <steven43126> adamus, it's just for LDAP's organisational purposes
[01:12] <HymnToLife> Psykus, reinstall it :)
[01:12] <Psykus> (when trying to modprobe ndiswrapper, after reinstalling it)
[01:12] <Psykus> ^
[01:12] <mkittus> albert
[01:12] <HymnToLife> ow
[01:12] <albert> que
[01:12] <HymnToLife> I mean, reinstall ndiwsrapper, not your inf
[01:13] <geertjan> testing 1 2 3
[01:13] <Psykus> right
[01:13] <mkittus> albert
[01:13] <ekul`> When i get into Gnome now i can move the mouse around but i cant click on anything -- not on the desktop or icons or any of the things in the top bit :(
[01:13] <Psykus> i'll try installing the newer version again
[01:13] <mkittus> :p
[01:13] <Psykus> ugh, getting oddball hardware working on linux is such a pain
[01:14] <rylan> ok, i just installed a pluggin for gaim. and restarted gaim. nothing happened. do i need to restart or did some magical "anti-rylan" particle hit my computer and made it so that nothing is going to work
[01:14] <Psykus> if all hardware worked, I wouldn't have a problem getting a linux system up and running with everything
[01:14] <juice`> HymnToLife: but how Alternate CD will help me if my CD-ROM doesnt want to be mounted?
[01:14] <HymnToLife> juice`, it might have the correct driver for it
[01:15] <HymnToLife> unlike the Desktop
[01:15] <juice`> feisty-alternate has additional drivers?
[01:15] <predaeus> rylan, is the plugin in Tools/Plugins?
[01:15] <Psykus> ugh, nothing is working
[01:15] <rylan> preaction, nay it is not.
[01:15] <juice`> but i used different CD-ROMs to try this, and that didnt help too
[01:15] <juice`> both are not supported? one of them is 2 years old
[01:15] <Psykus> iwconfig eth1 essid "lan party"
[01:16] <Psykus> (eth1 is the wifi adapter, for some reason, lan party is my network)
[01:16] <Psykus> i go back to iwconfig..
[01:16] <predaeus> rylan, is it from the repo?
[01:16] <Psykus> "Access Point: Not-Associated"
[01:16] <rylan> preaction, nay it is also not from the repo
[01:16] <juice`> thank you for advice, so many people so many advice, im doing everything people tells me to do and still nothing :( i will try installing alternate CD but im 100% sure it wont help.
[01:16] <rylan> predaeus, sorry no it is now
[01:16] <Psykus> course I do sudo first
[01:17] <juice`> like all other advices. there is something wrong with ICH8 + cdrom + kernel + bios options, and i guess i need someone who understands what is it
[01:17] <predaeus> rylan, did you check if the plugin installed into the correct location? like checking the files the repo packages provide and looking for plugin files there?
[01:18] <juice`> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=372325&highlight=ICH8
[01:18] <juice`> ok other people having the same problem
[01:19] <juice`> and being ignored or given false advices. so i guess the question is, when Ubuntu developers will care enough to fix this old bug?
[01:19] <rylan> predaeus, looks like everything installed properly. i wasnt given an option for where to install it.
[01:20] <predaeus> rylan, looks like for me, gaim plugins are located in /usr/lib64/gaim (I am not using an Ubuntu package though). You can check the location in synaptic with properties/installed files.
[01:20] <predaeus> rylan, did you try running gaim in the console to see if it shows error messages? But I actually do not know if it would.
[01:21] <PirateHead> juice`: evidently, few people understand the problem
[01:21] <kane77> is there any app that would do something like 'watch' does only in GUI (or applet)??
[01:21] <rylan> predaeus, and no it shows no error messages
[01:21] <PirateHead> juice`: you need to find or submit a relevant bugzilla entry, not rely on the unofficial forums
[01:22] <predaeus> rylan, did you locate the plugin in that gaim directory?
[01:22] <PirateHead> juice`: if you find an old bugzilla entry, try to get the train moving again by sending out a few emails
[01:22] <rylan> predaeus, working on that. girlfriend is litterally lying on me
[01:22] <predaeus> *g*
[01:23] <PirateHead> rylan: that is the best and only way to debug your computer
[01:23] <rylan> PirateHead, i do not agree, its very hard to concentrate
[01:23] <PirateHead> rylan: but it gives you a +2 luck bonus!
[01:23] <rylan> predaeus, i found something to do with it in usr/share/gaim
[01:24] <Ayabara> has anyone managed to run Joost under wine?
[01:24] <rylan> PirateHead, -40 to preception
[01:25] <predaeus> rylan, hm I've got no /usr/share/gaim. But that can be me. (not an Ubuntu package). So if there is other gaim stuff there it should be ok, if not, then the plugin instlaled into the wrong location.
[01:25] <rylan> predaeus, the only thing there is the gaim thing
[01:25] <rylan> er pluggin in downloaded.
[01:25] <rylan> predaeus, and slightly differantly named
[01:25] <juice`> PirateHead: ok, i will try that
[01:26] <rylan> predaeus, i had to convert this pluggin from an RPM to a DEB maybe its a little differant where it put's it in redhat
[01:27] <predaeus> ah. ok so it's at the wrong location. You could just move the files to the right location. But they might not get uninstalled then if you uninstall gaim later. A better option would be to create a symbolic link in the right location to the files in the wrong location. That should work.
[01:27] <rylan> predaeus,  and the other thing is that the pluggin is a .dat instead of a .so
[01:27] <juice`> PirateHead: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/64574
[01:27] <juice`> might be this one
[01:28] <predaeus> rylan, hm no idea. I think it should be an .so somewhere too.
[01:28] <juice`> or maybe not, as CDROM is on ICH8 not JMicron
[01:28] <juice`> although i have JMicron on my board
[01:28] <juice`> no, not this one. ok nevermind
[01:28] <rylan> predaeus, will i need gypsies to do this. or perhaps a voodoo doctor, or shaman.
[01:28] <predaeus> rylan, there is a #gaim channel maybe they know about specifics about that plugin.
[01:29] <rylan> predaeus, ill try that
[01:29] <ekul`> When i get into Gnome now it freezes, i can move the mouse but cant click on anything. Any ideas?
[01:29] <rdz> hello i want to install ubuntu on a mini mac and i'd like to keep the osx installation. can ubuntu resize the hfs+-partition somehow?
[01:29] <Psykus> i don't know what else to do, this wireless just refuses to work
[01:30] <macsim> hi, I use fireglcontrol to configure my dual screen, it told me that my configuration change and I have to reboot X, when I did that it still clone screen :/ any idea ?
[01:30] <predaeus> ekul`, I have that aswell from time to time. Sometimes hitting ESC helps. *g*
[01:30] <ekul`> Thanks, i will try
[01:30] <predaeus> or ALT-Tab not sure.
[01:30] <aluno__> ola
[01:30] <predaeus> But it happens while running with me, not when login in.
[01:30] <sebaskate> witam
[01:30] <sebaskate> hello
[01:31] <ekul`> Ahh
[01:31] <ekul`> its straight after login for me
[01:31] <aluno__> kalabra/nick
[01:31] <ekul`> happened when i restored my xorg config too, which i dont get cause theb ackup worked fine
[01:31] <geertjan> hmm
[01:32] <PirateHead> juice`: have you tried using LILO?
[01:32] <geertjan> hello people of ubuntu
[01:32] <geertjan> i come in peace
[01:32] <PirateHead> juice`: might that possibly help anything?
[01:32] <aluno__> aho iguana
[01:32] <aluno__> da pra colar nas provas aqui
[01:32] <Robinsjostrom> when is next stable release coming?
[01:32] <aluna> uiaaaaaaaa curti isso aki......hahhah
[01:32] <aluna> agora vai estudar seu inutill!
[01:32] <aluno__> vai esudar vc ow
[01:33] <aluno__> to descobrindo como colar aqui
[01:33] <PirateHead> aluno__: most people here speak English, and you probably won't get in any other language.
[01:33] <aluna> primeiro vc tem q descobrir de kem colar uauuauhuha
[01:34] <geertjan> so uh...
[01:34] <geertjan> could i ask something about reporting bugs?
[01:34] <PirateHead> You can ask anything you like.
[01:34] <geertjan> ah yes, but is there a chance of getting an answer here? :)
[01:34] <PirateHead> The best idea is to ask and see if anybody answers, rather than asking whether you can ask or whether somebody can help you,.
[01:34] <geertjan> hehe touche
[01:35] <PirateHead> This room is best for getting help specifically related to Ubuntu. If you had a problem with, say, bugzilla, this would not be the right place to ask.
[01:35] <nalioth> !es | aluno__
[01:35] <ubotu> aluno__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:35] <Robinsjostrom> dont ask to ask
[01:35] <aluno__> sorry man
[01:36] <geertjan> anyway was just wondering what the deal is with all programs on launchpad being there twice... once in launchpad.net/name and once in launchpad.net/ubuntu...
[01:36] <PirateHead> Probably because launchpad is wierd.
[01:36] <geertjan> so what is the best place to report a bug?
[01:36] <geertjan> of the two locations
[01:37] <PirateHead> This is a bug with Ubuntu specifically, not one of the Ubuntu apps?
[01:37] <geertjan> no, let's say a Totem bug... would i go to launchpad.net/totem or launchpad.net/ubuntu/something/totem?
[01:37] <Xif> Anyone knows how to make the tabs in Firefox2 (Edgy) simple, instead of round-cornered?
[01:38] <aluno__> =x
[01:38] <Rebecca> is it possible to restart my usb modules/system?
[01:38] <PirateHead> First, I would make sure to do your homework.
[01:38] <PirateHead> Are you positive that it is a Totem bug and not a Gstreamer/Xine bug?
[01:39] <PirateHead> If you are, then list on Gnome's bugzilla tracker for Gnome, not on Launchpad.
[01:39] <geertjan> no :) don't worry I'm not going to haste into posting bugs... I was just wondering about this specific question...
[01:40] <Robinsjostrom> can i ask to ask a question?
[01:40] <PirateHead> If you want your bug report to be useful, you need to narrow the bug down as much as possible, then report to the most relevant and specific bug tracker.
[01:40] <ikonia_> Robinsjostrom please do so
[01:40] <geertjan> hmhm, hmhm, ok, ok
[01:40] <geertjan> *nods*
[01:40] <geertjan> ok, i'll do some more research
[01:40] <Robinsjostrom> okey here it comes......can i ask a question?
[01:41] <geertjan> thanks PirateHead
[01:41] <PirateHead> The reason that Launchpad sucks, in my opinion, is that it tries to be a giant bug repository, where what is needed is reporting of bugs directly to their individual bugtrackers.
[01:41] <ikonia_> Robinsjostrom ask it
[01:41] <PirateHead> No problem Geertjan, good luck.
[01:41] <daviey> PirateHead, decentralising *everything*?
[01:41] <ikonia_> PirateHead log a request to improve launchpad
[01:41] <Robinsjostrom> ikonia_: i have no question im just being silly
[01:41] <PirateHead> lol@ikonia
[01:41] <ikonia_> Robinsjostrom please don't, its a busy channel
[01:41] <Robinsjostrom> ikonia_: thanks for offering help though
[01:42] <geertjan> hehe
[01:42] <ikonia_> Robinsjostrom no problem
[01:42] <Robinsjostrom> ikonia_: im here to cool you down then
[01:42] <ikonia_> Robinsjostrom I'm fine thank you
[01:42] <PirateHead> davley: decentralization helps developers find the relevant bugs, rather than swimming through masses of general cruft
[01:42] <Robinsjostrom> ikonia_: you seem a bit stressed up
[01:42] <kane77> is there any app that would do something like 'watch' does only in GUI (or applet)??
[01:43] <anushsh> #linux-india
[01:43] <zax1> can any point to a torrent link to download ubuntu LIVE CD
[01:44] <PirateHead> kane77: you could easily write such an app using your favorite scripting language and WxWidgets, if you're so inclined
[01:44] <Toma-> kane77: not really... since watch is a CLI app, thats used to monitor CLI apps
[01:44] <PirateHead> I don't know of any established GUI app offhand.
[01:45] <PirateHead> zax1: let me look
[01:45] <zax1> can any point to a torrent link to download ubuntu LIVE CD
[01:45] <Enselic``> !webcam
[01:45] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:45] <zax1> PirateHead: thanks
[01:45] <geertjan> zax1: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[01:45] <livingdaylight> Q: for burning .avi to i choose made dvd project or burn iso to dvd?
[01:45] <PirateHead> zax1: what version of the ubuntu liveCD are you interested in?
[01:46] <zax1> PirateHead: not sure, i suppose the latest one...
[01:46] <kane77> Toma-, what I need is gui app(let) that would monitor cli app...
[01:47] <PirateHead> zax1: which architecture are you using?
[01:47] <PirateHead> x86?
[01:47] <zax1> intel
[01:47] <zax1> i think
[01:47] <Toma-> kane77: try 'xterm -e nameofCLIapp'
[01:47] <PirateHead> http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[01:47] <PirateHead> ought to be what you're looking for
[01:47] <Toma-> kane77: errrm. 'xterm -e 'watch commandline app''
[01:48] <Toma-> actually, dont use '
[01:48] <kane77> Toma-, thanx.. that does pretty much it :)
[01:48] <Toma-> kane77: np!
[01:48] <kane77> Toma-, although I will use devislpie on it :)
[01:48] <livingdaylight> Q: for burning .avi to i choose made dvd project or burn iso to dvd
[01:49] <Toma-> what the heck is that?
[01:49] <kane77> Toma-, a cool app that can do things like get you rid of window edges, dock it to certain workspace etc...
[01:50] <Toma-> kane77: ahh right. im suing e17 here and i can already do that :P
[01:50] <Toma-> *using
[01:50] <zax1> PirateHead: id this a live cd ? or an install cd
[01:50] <PirateHead> Toma-, et all: E17 ftw
[01:50] <Toma-> *nod*
[01:51] <Slike> some package is broken on an ubuntu system, how do i fix this from command line?
[01:51] <PirateHead> zax1: It is both. It will boot into the LiveCD, and there's an icon on the desktop that lets you install if/when you choose.
[01:51] <zax1> great, thanks
[01:51] <PirateHead> no problem, enjoyl.
[01:51] <Toma-> Slike: 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[01:51] <rylan> so, i figured out why i had all these problems with gaim.
[01:51] <rylan> its outdated.
[01:51] <rylan> even on edgy
[01:51] <PirateHead> yeah, it's nice to have the latest version
[01:51] <rylan> its like V2.0 on edgy and they are up to like v6
[01:52] <livingdaylight> Q: for burning .avi to i choose made dvd project or burn iso to dvd
[01:52] <geertjan> nah latest version 2.0v6 rylan
[01:52] <geertjan> not 6.0
[01:52] <rylan> i was being facetious
[01:52] <PirateHead> Gaim better be friggin' transcendental by 6.0
[01:52] <rylan> nice word piratehead!
[01:53] <geertjan> oh
[01:53] <geertjan> you jest
[01:53] <rylan> i thought i was doing well with facetious
[01:53] <PirateHead> The thing I would like to see most in Gaim is a skin that makes it look like "wow".
[01:54] <ubm> microsoft wants to charge 4 Grand for DST Time change update for any product not in there 'mainstream' support phase.. can you guys believe that crap...
[01:54] <livingdaylight> for burning .avi movie do i choose iso or simply dvd project?
[01:54] <geertjan> noooo no skins
[01:54] <livingdaylight> are there any k3b gurus in the house?
[01:54] <Slike> is there a way to make the package management uninstall a broken package?
[01:54] <daviey> Is anybody here using network-manager (nm-applet) with WPA Enterprise & TTLS?
[01:54] <PirateHead> I fully appreciate that Gaim can fit into your desktop -- but it would be nice to make it really pretty, too.
[01:54] <Toma-> livingdaylight: i can give you a sexy script for it if you like?
[01:55] <livingdaylight> Toma-, ?
[01:55] <geertjan> but couldn't you just make your whole gnome look really pretty? that would affect gaim too
[01:55] <foxiness> PirateHead:hi, can i stop the message comes form chanserv-freenode-nickserv on Gaim?
[01:55] <Toma-> livingdaylight: i made a commandline avi-->dvd converter since i hate all the crappy guis wasting cpu time
[01:56] <PirateHead> foxiness: that is easy. Disable your freenode IRC account in Accounts
[01:56] <PirateHead> foxiness: if you use Firefox, you might also want to install ChatZilla. It's a firefox extension that gives a very nice interface for IRC.
[01:57] <PirateHead> Far better than either mIRC, BersIRC, or Gaim -- in my opinion, anyways.
[01:57] <Robinsjostrom> PirateHead: whats wrong with irssi?
[01:57] <livingdaylight> Toma-, you need to convert .avi? i thought you just dump it to a dvd?
[01:57] <PirateHead> @geertjan, re: making Gnome look beautiful: I don't necessarily want excessive eye-candy on every one of my Gnome apps.
[01:57] <Toma-> livingdaylight: heck no.
[01:58] <GenNMX> Dammit, anyone good at getting DRI working on dual-head setups? I've been trying for days to get DRI working w/ my ATI Radeon 7000 on either head.
[01:58] <Toma-> livingdaylight: UNLESS your dvd player has divx playback
[01:58] <livingdaylight> Toma-, damn :s
[01:58] <PirateHead> RObinsjostrom: I don't know what irssi is.
[01:58] <Toma-> livingdaylight: its pretty simple. ill throw it up on pastebin
[01:58] <livingdaylight> Toma-, prolly not. oh man maybe you can help me out then
[01:58] <geertjan> PirateHead: ok fair enough
[01:58] <livingdaylight> Toma-, thx :D
[01:58] <Robinsjostrom> PirateHead: http://www.irssi.org/
[01:59] <Slike> i always get the error "failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true", even after apt-get clean, apt-get -f install
[02:00] <Slike> i tried to install a package directly by issuing dpkg -i, but that failed
[02:00] <Slike> since then i'm having these problems
[02:00] <Slike> so i'd like to clear it out somehow
[02:00] <Slike> make it work again
[02:00] <PirateHead> Robinjostrom: irssi looks ugly to me. I like FoxChat primarily because it's an extension of Firefox and thus has good integration, and because it looks very neat.
[02:01] <Robinsjostrom> PirateHead: buuuut its the client of the future. beat that mofo
[02:01] <PirateHead> Using FoxChat increases my readability and helps me follow conversations despite clutter.
[02:01] <pty> Robinsjostrom: lol
[02:01] <PirateHead> Future nothing, I want a beauty-full IRC client NOW!
[02:01] <johnnyfive> whats beter gnome or kde
[02:02] <PirateHead> johnnyfive: fluxbox
[02:02] <jack_> lol
[02:02] <RickHahn13> try gnome if you are new
[02:02] <PirateHead> johnnyfive: Windows Explorer ftw!
[02:02] <johnnyfive> what about fxce4
[02:02] <RickHahn13> g'mornin all, btw
[02:02] <jack_> Just use gnome
[02:02] <Toma-> livingdaylight: youre in a PAL area right?
[02:02] <jack_> Gnome is nice and balanced
[02:02] <PirateHead> johnnyfive: use IceWM
[02:03] <PirateHead> johnnyfive: Enlightenment is the best obviously
[02:03] <jack_> johnnyfive:  GNOME
[02:03] <PirateHead> My point is, it totally depends on your preferences and what you want from your window manager.
[02:03] <nknwd> hello. what can i do in order for my Kubuntu system to perform the update process automatically?
[02:03] <livingdaylight> Toma-, U.K is pal, i think so
[02:04] <sixvoltsystem> ello all
[02:04] <jack_> nknwd, you mean download and install?
[02:04] <RickHahn13> hey six
[02:04] <Toma-> livingdaylight: ok, first one, is a little script for 16:9 videos and the other, for 4:3
[02:04] <jack_> nknwd, or just checking for them?
[02:04] <nknwd> yes
[02:04] <PirateHead> nknwd: add an anacron job running the system updater
[02:05] <nknwd> i've created a script.sh which contains aptitude -y update and upgrade, added it in crontab
[02:05] <nknwd> in root crontab
[02:05] <BobZero|afk> hi
[02:05] <nknwd> the script also has a >> /var/log line
[02:05] <PirateHead> unless you are running a comptuer with near 100% uptime, you should run it as an anacron job rather than as a cron job
[02:05] <sixvoltsystem> playing hookie with my sick 7 year old and setting up the wireless in ubuntu
[02:05] <Chade> Hi
[02:06] <PirateHead> sixboltsystem: I just got my wireless working. It feels good!
[02:06] <jack_> nknwd, chmod +x ?
[02:06] <nknwd> and every day, the log contains lines that he tries to get updated but then says ldconfig and four more programs aren't in PATH
[02:06] <sixvoltsystem> ooo I can't wait
[02:06] <jack_> nknwd,sudo chmod +x ?
[02:06] <jack_> Sorry :P
[02:06] <Toma-> livingdaylight: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8932/
[02:06] <nknwd> it does update but at upgrade, it lists the packages, downloads them
[02:06] <Chade> having a few issues installing Ubuntu anyone mind giving me a hand please?
[02:06] <nknwd> but when trying to install them, sais that about ldconfig
[02:06] <sixvoltsystem> just some issues with the wrapper I have to resolve with my driver and I'm good to go
[02:06] <nknwd> not being in PATH
[02:06] <Robinsjostrom> PirateHead: the future is beautifull!
[02:07] <Jowi> Chade, ask a question and be precise.
[02:07] <Robinsjostrom> Chade: thats sick dude
[02:08] <Toma-> livingdaylight: i divided them into 2 different scripts, for simplicity sake. i made /usr/local/bin/avi-dvd-16-9 and avi-dvd-4-3 with the respective code in each
[02:08] <livingdaylight> Toma-, thank you. Half way there. How do i use these scripts now?
[02:09] <berent> one question on sound in edgy .Can I ask?
[02:09] <Toma-> livingdaylight: "avi-dvd-16-9 your16:9.avi"
[02:09] <Toma-> then burn the resulting iso afterwards with whatever
[02:09] <PirateHead> berent: you may not ask questions. You need to be modded +j to ask questions over IRC.
[02:09] <Toma-> berent: i dunno. can you?
[02:09] <livingdaylight> Toma-, backup. Where do i put the scripts?
[02:09] <el_moreno31> hola quien habla espaol
[02:09] <Toma-> livingdaylight: /usr/bin or even /usr/local/bin
[02:10] <PirateHead> !sa
[02:10] <ubotu> For the Arabic language or Saudi Arabia you are invited to join     #ubuntu-sa
[02:10] <berent> PIratedHead : you stand by ur name
[02:10] <Jowi> !es
[02:10] <PirateHead> !es
[02:10] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:10] <livingdaylight> el_moreno31, !es
[02:10] <berent> Toma : yes i can
[02:10] <Chade> Jowi: Certainly, I've never installed a Linux box before or tried to set up a dual boot, I have two partitions in Windows a 70gb boot partition and a 45gb logical partition, I just loaded Ubuntu from the CD I burned and tried to manually edit the partition table to reduce the size of the logical partition and create a new partition solely for Ubuntu, my laptop froze when I clicked apply and...
[02:10] <Chade> ...I had to powerdown to reset. Wondering what I did wrong?
[02:10] <BobZero|afk> i need some help while installing an ssh server?
[02:10] <Toma-> BobZero|afk: what kind of help?
[02:10] <eltopo> good
[02:10] <Chade> Jowi: Thanks btw, forgetting my manners
[02:11] <dhiraj> chade u nided to have given it time,it may not respond,but creating partitions takes time
[02:11] <berent> I am getting sound on only right speaker and whatever I set in alsamixer etc I am unable to get on left speaker so my right brain is getting heavily drummed any solutions?
[02:11] <BobZero|afk> just some hints
[02:11] <Robinsjostrom> PirateHead: dude im really not a troll
[02:11] <Jowi> Chade, I wouldn't know. I never resized a partition from the live cd. maybe it was full...? hard to say.
[02:11] <Slike> wtf? i'm losing it completely now: first apt was complaining, then i rebooted the system...now it even says "cannot execute /etc/init.d/rcS"
[02:12] <Slike> i can't even log on???
[02:12] <Toma-> BobZero: install the openssh-server package and off you go
[02:12] <PirateHead> RobinsJostrom: it's okay, I'm just trolling with you.
[02:12] <Jowi> Chade, if resizing does not work for you an alternative is to remove the partition and create two new ones in its place.
[02:12] <BobZero> ohh very helpfull
[02:12] <BobZero> thx
[02:12] <Toma-> !sound
[02:12] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:12] <Robinsjostrom> PirateHead: maybe i talk to much though
[02:12] <Toma-> berent: ^^^
[02:13] <dhiraj> hey chade i guess u had enuf free space to do that,when u resize ,jus leave it alone fr a while,when its over itll respond,try it frm the live cd again n get bk
[02:13] <berent> yes Toma :-))
[02:13] <Toma-> ;P
[02:13] <berent> I am getting sound on only right speaker and whatever I set in alsamixer etc I am unable to get on left speaker so my right brain is getting heavily drummed any solutions?
[02:13] <dhiraj> hmm,check ur headfone jack connection
[02:13] <dhiraj> if its partly come loose
[02:13] <Jowi> !ssh | BobZero
[02:13] <ubotu> BobZero: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[02:13] <livingdaylight> Toma-, first i put it in a folder and dump it in /usr/local/bin ?
[02:13] <berent> dhiraj i checked its ok
[02:14] <Chade> dhiraj: Ah thanks, I left it for about 15 minutes and then got worried since I heard no sounds coming from my HD and had no LEDS flashing to indicate that anything was going on, when I soft reset my logical partition in windows was exactly as I left it
[02:14] <berent> dhiraj even speakers play on right only
[02:14] <omeil> Savage 2 will be released for linux and windows on the same date :D
[02:14] <Chade> hard reset rather
[02:14] <dhiraj> hmm k,chade,do one thing,get the gparted live iso frm sourceforge n have a go again
[02:14] <dhiraj> its helped me more times
[02:15] <Toma-> livingdaylight: 'touch avi-dvd-16-9 && chmod +x avi-dvd-16-9' then add the script into that file... then 'sudo mv avi-dvd-16-9 /usr/local/bin'
[02:15] <dhiraj> i hope to hell ur logical partition wasnt ntfs
[02:15] <Chade> dhiraj: Will do, thanks, if I can't resize it I may just copy everything onto my portable HD and just delete the partition and try again
[02:16] <Chade> dhiraj: If I say it's NTFS am I screwed?
[02:16] <dhiraj> as fr berent,hey man,wot mixer do u use
[02:16] <berent> dhiraj its alsamixer
[02:16] <dhiraj> m dats y nuthin happened
[02:16] <dhiraj> no u rent screwed chade
[02:17] <dhiraj> ntfs resize is still buggy in linux,use sumting like partition manager in windows to reduce its size
[02:17] <Chade> Ah
[02:17] <dhiraj> n den with gparted create a partition in unpartitioned space
[02:17] <Chade> will do, thanks, will get back and tell you how it went
[02:17] <dhiraj> it shud go well,
[02:18] <dhiraj> nyways glad to help
[02:18] <berent> dhiraj : ??
[02:18] <dhiraj> telll
[02:18] <dhiraj> i m thinking
[02:18] <berent> dhiraj its alsamixer
[02:18] <dhiraj> ya,have u tried out any other distro?
[02:19] <berent> ya breezy and dapper
[02:19] <Chade> cheers, one last quick question, I haven't managed to buy a new router since my old one burnt out and I'm connecting through a USB modem atm, will I be able to get that up and running in Ubuntu? Model is a BT Voyager 105
[02:19] <livingdaylight> Toma-, thank you :D what is the next step now please? :D
[02:19] <dhiraj> hmm,not dat,sumting other than ubuntu,i think u dual boot berent rite?
[02:19] <Jowi> berent, maybe the connector that is flaky. wiggle the cable :)
[02:19] <dhiraj> so both ur speakers work on windows i believe
[02:19] <BobZero> theres another question?
[02:20] <berent> dhiraj no
[02:20] <BobZero> how can i change the resolution for the textmode?
[02:20] <dhiraj> um so u have only ubuntu
[02:20] <berent> dhiraj windows never installed but they worked in other
[02:20] <Jowi> BobZero, set the framebuffer resolution
[02:20] <Jowi> !framebuffer
[02:20] <berent> dhiraj versions of ubuntu
[02:20] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[02:20] <johnnyfive> has anyone had trouble with midi sound not playing
[02:20] <ikonia_> johnnyfive nope all great
[02:20] <berent> !speaker
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speaker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <BobZero> sorry but i dont understand @jowi
[02:21] <Toma-> livingdaylight: make sure you have ffmpeg and dvdauthor
[02:21] <dhiraj> berent ok i understand,try them out on ur tv or sumting to check if ur speaker cables r ok
[02:21] <Jowi> BobZero, see at the bottom of the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[02:22] <berent> dhiraj they r ok i tested
[02:22] <dhiraj> hmm,ur alsaixer,the balance slder is in the middle if im not mistaken
[02:22] <johnnyfive> how can i test midi sound easily
[02:23] <berent> dhiraj balanceslider of master ?
[02:23] <dhiraj> ya
[02:23] <dhiraj> shd be 100 100 ideally
[02:23] <nio> hello
[02:23] <voraistos> Hello! Anyone knows how to use make ? I would like it to output the binaries to a certain directory, but i cant find out the command
[02:23] <berent> dhiraj yes they both increase or decrease simultaneously
[02:24] <dhiraj> not dat,u see sumting like 100<>100 below?
[02:24] <nio> i just install ubuntu and i want to set up gnuworld service and i don't know how, what is cvs?
[02:26] <livingdaylight> Toma-, ok, i have 'em now
[02:26] <Toma-> livingdaylight: cool
[02:26] <Toma-> livingdaylight: well, cd into the dir your avi is in, and run the script on it
[02:27] <Shane-S> I have never done a crontab before, and I put in this 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * ...(code), however the tutorial I am following was "wq" on a new line after that, is that needed?
[02:27] <Shane-S> was -> has
[02:27] <dhiraj> oy berent,how olds ur pc like?
[02:27] <Toma-> livingdaylight: also, its pretty dumb, so try not to confuse it with long/special characters in the filename <:)
[02:27] <livingdaylight> Toma-, ok, so my avi is in /home/movies
[02:27] <dhiraj> mebbe d sound card decided enuf was enuf
[02:28] <Toma-> livingdaylight: it takes about 2-3hrs to convert on a sempron 3200 64bit with crap all optimisations
[02:28] <Shane-S> anyone see my question, I did not identify myself
[02:28] <big1> yo
[02:28] <berent> my pc is 8 years old dhiraj
[02:29] <IdleOne> Shane-S, yes we saw it
[02:29] <Toma-> IdleOne: mebbe its cooler? :D
[02:29] <Shane-S> k, thanks, didn't want to repeat it
[02:29] <dhiraj> ya so mite b dat,so heres sumting u can do,
[02:29] <IdleOne> Toma-, purapps it iznt
[02:29] <Toma-> lol
[02:29] <livingdaylight> Toma-, wow, that is a while, ok, and after its converted then its a straightforward burning to dvd
[02:29] <ekimus> are there any other ubuntu flavors (desktop speaking) than xubuntu and kubuntu? I'd like something prepackaged with fluxbox or ion (yes I could just apt-get it but I got really lazy in these things with the convenience ubuntu has:)
[02:29] <berent> and my brain is almost 26 years old  dhiraj
[02:29] <dhiraj> get sumting small like dsl frm damnsmalllinux.org or puppy frm puppylinux.org both have excellent hw detection,jus boot frm dem n temme if ur sounds ok there
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Toma-, so i cd'd into the avi folder how do i connect it to the script?
[02:30] <dhiraj> else its time u gota new sound cardf
[02:30] <IdleOne> ekimus, there isnt any pre-pack Fluxubuntu but like you said it isnt hard to get
[02:30] <Toma-> livingdaylight: yep. just simply burn the DVD.iso to the disc with whatever you want. i didnt let it burn it for me because i always test my isos before burning
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Toma-, and you're saying if it is a really long name then shortien it?
[02:30] <Toma-> livingdaylight: avi-dvd-16-9 yourvideo.avi
[02:31] <omeil> Serious Sam The Second Encounter runs on wine and crossover but sadly with no sound :(
[02:31] <Toma-> livingdaylight: wish i could :D
[02:31] <omeil> !iso
[02:31] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[02:31] <Shane-S> http://www.pastebin.ca/383544 do I need the line after my comment?
[02:31] <dhiraj> um ekimus theres a prepack
[02:32] <Toma-> ekimus: just install the server/thin version and then 'sudo apt-get fluxbox'... itll install X and fluxbox for you
[02:32] <dhiraj> its called fluxbuntu
[02:32] <dhiraj> its stable
[02:32] <dhiraj> as far as i see,its at fluxbuntu,org if im not mistaken
[02:33] <livingdaylight> Toma-, so for eg: Little.Miss.Sunshine[2006] DvDrip[Eng] -aXXo.avi
[02:33] <livingdaylight>  just rename it Little Miss Sunshine.avi ?
[02:33] <dhiraj> so i guess u dont nid to go thru all dat
[02:33] <Toma-> livingdaylight: yeh. even LMS.avi would be easier
[02:33] <berent> dhiraj and one more important thing : my device manager doesnt open at all a bug buddy window pops up
[02:34] <dhiraj> hmm,ok,wots d bug
[02:34] <berent> dhiraj some core is formes
[02:34] <berent> formed
[02:35] <dhiraj> no idea,sorry about that
[02:36] <Robinsjostrom> lets say i have two harddrives, one with vista installed and one blank. can i unplugg the vista harddrive and install ubuntu on the blank one and then plug in the vista drive again after the installation and be able to multiboot?
[02:36] <livingdaylight> Toma-, cool, that is on its way now?
[02:36] <dhiraj> but u do try out ur sound berent with puppy linux n teme,y i told u to do dat is coz its 85 mb n easy to download,n shud run like a charm on ur 8yr old system
[02:36] <Toma-> livingdaylight: are numbers ticking over and ffmpeg running?
[02:36] <dhiraj> um,jus dat u dont nid to do all the unplugging
[02:37] <dhiraj> sorry i said dat to robin...
[02:37] <thepianoguy> hi guys
[02:37] <livingdaylight> Toma-, it will convert to iso, yea.. Yes, numbers are ticking i don't know if it is ffmpeg or not, but it looks good
[02:37] <dyrne> Robinsjostrom: yes but it wont be as easy as it would be if you left it connected for ubuntu to detect. but its not exactly hard to do it that way either
[02:37] <madsen> Ok, I'm reading the MacBook article on help.ubuntu.com/community/, but I'm still a little uncertain about what to do with grub...
[02:38] <dhiraj> ekimus:checked out fluxbuntu?thers also nubuntu,but i guess its a security distro not a desktop one
[02:38] <madsen> I'm installing Feisty btw...
[02:38] <livingdaylight> Toma-, I'm so lucky i stumbled into you :D
[02:38] <thepianoguy> I'm testing feisty and my kernel doesn't boot (vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic) on my Athlon XP
[02:38] <livingdaylight> Toma-, not everyone can do this
[02:38] <Toma-> livingdaylight: good. youll have a 'DVD.iso' in that same directory, a folder called DVD, and a file called final.mpg, that you can simply delete once its all done
[02:38] <dhiraj> madsen
[02:38] <thepianoguy> after few seconds I select it, it says "tty jobs turned off"
[02:38] <thepianoguy> and falls to busybox
[02:38] <madsen> dhiraj: Yeah?
[02:38] <Robinsjostrom> dyrne: its just that i want to keep the vista drive as it is i have much sensitive data on it. so i dont wanna risk loosing it on the ubuntuinstallation
[02:38] <dhiraj> u say u cant get grun on
[02:38] <Toma-> livingdaylight: ahhh theres GUI apps like this all over the place. i just boiled it down to the stuff I want.
[02:39] <livingdaylight> Toma-, thank you :D
[02:39] <Toma-> :)
[02:39] <Toma-> np
[02:39] <dhiraj> um,dat wont b necessary,robin,u shudnt lose any data
[02:39] <thepianoguy> this behaviour in feisty is already at least 2 months old and with each upgrade it's the same
[02:39] <dhiraj> hmm,jus boot into live cd
[02:39] <thepianoguy> am I doing something wrong? (any new packets need to be installed in Feisty to get kernel wodking)
[02:39] <dhiraj> madsen
[02:39] <Toma-> livingdaylight: check out "tovid" and tovid-gui as theyre just the same principle, with a bit more salt and spice
[02:39] <dhiraj> den open console n type in find /boot/grub/stage1
[02:40] <Robinsjostrom> dhiraj: ok thank you for the answer. its just that i used linux a couple of years ago and i found the partitioning part hard
[02:40] <dhiraj> madsen:then it will display a partition do root hd(x,x)
[02:40] <Matic`Makovec> Hey, how can I update/restore previous working public key for APT?
[02:40] <livingdaylight> Toma-, i see...i'll have a look
[02:40] <dhiraj> then grub install
[02:41] <fds> anders_home: #1
[02:41] <dhiraj> temme how it went madsen
[02:41] <dhiraj> welcum back robin,its way easier now
[02:41] <madsen> dhiraj: Well, the problem is what I tell the installer to do with grub? I guess it shouldn't install it on (hd0)...
[02:41] <livingdaylight> Toma-, but i'm set now anyways. i just have to remember the command avi-dvd-16-9 yourmovie.avi which i've added to my tommy notes
[02:41] <omeil> umm does this seem right? sudo cp /home/omeil/Desktop/n/bin /
[02:41] <Robinsjostrom> dhiraj: good =) that leads to my second question how does vista and ubuntu work together?
[02:41] <dhiraj> madsen:u can tell it to install on hd0,then fix it up later
[02:42] <Toma-> livingdaylight: cool :D just type avi then hit tab a couple times
[02:42] <dhiraj> anything works together
[02:42] <madsen> dhiraj: Won't that mess up my OS X?
[02:42] <dhiraj> seriously
[02:42] <Robinsjostrom> dhiraj: great
[02:42] <omeil> !cp
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <Robinsjostrom> and is there any compability issues with ati grapichcards like x700se?
[02:42] <Matic`Makovec> Hey, how can I update/restore previous working public key for APT?
[02:42] <dhiraj> madsen:um no,nyways ill refer up,i v not done it on a mc bfore
[02:42] <Toma-> omeil: what are you trying to do?
[02:42] <livingdaylight> Toma-, true, now that the path has been set ...
[02:43] <dhiraj> so i think u shudnt install on hd 0 or sumting,ill chk up
[02:43] <thestriker> can beryl work on dapper?
[02:43] <omeil> Toma-: copy the contents of the n/bin folder to /bin
[02:43] <madsen> dhiraj: And it won't be safer to tell it to install on (hd0,3)? (hd0,3 being /dev/sda4, right?)
[02:43] <Toma-> omeil: dont put stuff in /bin
[02:44] <omeil> Toma-: its for the cdemu script
[02:44] <Sbreeze> Anybody interested in helping a newbie setup internet connection sharing...?
[02:44] <techie> Can anybody tell me how to install a windows program using wine?
[02:44] <spotted> !ati > spotted
[02:44] <Toma-> omeil: if anything, put it in /usr/bin
[02:44] <livingdaylight> Toma-, best to get iso torrents if the intention is to burn to a dvd from the outset. And only use .avi's if iso's aren't available
[02:44] <dhiraj> um ya,u can install ,but thing is ull have to modify ur mac thing to boot frm dat sda4 optionally,n i think mac doesnt have a boot.inii u can edit
[02:44] <madsen> techie: 'wine WinProgram.exe'
[02:44] <Toma-> livingdaylight: yeh, but ive got limited bandwidth :)
[02:45] <madsen> dhiraj: Hmm... And you've done this before ... with rEFIt?
[02:45] <omeil> Toma-: oh ok :), so ? what would the command be?
[02:45] <Toma-> omeil: youll want to 'sudo cp /home/omeil/Desktop/n/bin/* /usr/bin'
[02:45] <techie> <madsen  thanks.
[02:45] <madsen> techie: np!
[02:45] <omeil> Tome-: oh ok thx
[02:45] <livingdaylight> Toma-, i don't^^ but i see how avi's are quicker to download but adding the two processes together it is more time consuming this way would be my guess
[02:45] <techie> madsen. and after that just give the name of the window program I want to install?
[02:46] <madsen> techie: What?
[02:46] <Toma-> livingdaylight: also i have a download limit :( if i download 1 4gb dvd id be capped till the end of the month
[02:46] <Toma-> so the avi to dvd stuff makes me all happy.
[02:46] <techie> I have a program called Voicedit in windows do I have to do wine WinProgram.exe and then the name of that program?
[02:46] <livingdaylight> Toma-, harsh :(
[02:47] <dhiraj> hey madsen u gota macbook?or an older on
[02:47] <Toma-> yeeeep
[02:47] <dhiraj> i mn intel or ppc
[02:47] <livingdaylight> Toma-, who is your isp ?
 I have a program called Voicedit in windows do I have to do wine WinProgram.exe and then the name of that program?
[02:47] <Toma-> livingdaylight: iinet. in australia. we have terrible internet networks here
[02:47] <madsen> techie: Hehe, no, WinProgram.exe was just an example.. Just 'wine Voicedit.exe' (if that's what the exe is called.)
[02:47] <madsen> dhiraj: A month old MacBook.
[02:48] <madsen> dhiraj: So Intel Core 2 Duo
[02:48] <techie> madsen.. i will try it.
[02:48] <dhiraj> refit works
[02:48] <Askar> I tried feisty 5 recently and was truly dissapointed... I didnt see one single thing that had change :S Tell me whats new?!
[02:48] <ikonia_> Askar read the docs
[02:48] <madsen> dhiraj: I know, but I'm just afraid I'll mess something up, if I install grub to (hd0) (aka. MBR).
[02:48] <ikonia_> Askar not everything is visible
[02:49] <livingdaylight> Toma-, ok, soundz it...over here (uk) unlimited downloads is pretty standard
[02:49] <Askar> ikonia_: where can i find the docs?
[02:49] <ikonia_> livingdaylightits not standards
[02:49] <madsen> techie: Ok. I hope it works out.  I think I've installed Linux (in various flavours, including Ubuntu) about a hundred times on PCs... But never before on a macbook.
[02:51] <Robinsjostrom> hey dude is there hard for a beginner to install ati x700se drivers?
[02:51] <Robinsjostrom> i recon having problems with that in other linuxversions
[02:51] <Matic`Makovec> I can't update my system with apt-get update because some mirror has some problems (or rather my ssystem has some problems with the mirror). Anyway, this mirror isn't added anywhere in sources.list so I'm woundering how could I remove it?
[02:52] <madsen> Matic`Makovec: Uhm... If it's not in your sources.list, then apt shouldn't use it - at all...
[02:52] <Matic`Makovec> I kinda thought that.