[00:52] <Isaac-M> Is anyone online?
[03:52] <thesheff17> I bought a ATI fire pro 2450 and ubuntu 10.10 gets almost to the login screen but never finishes. Anything I can try?
[04:16] <RAOF> thesheff17: Please come to #ubuntu-x if you'd like to try debugging.
[05:05] <micahg> robert_ancell: thanks for uploading bug 695728, could you please add a task for maverick?
[05:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 695728 in gnome-python-extras (Debian) (and 1 other project) "python-gtkmozembed should depend on xulrunner (affects: 1) (heat: 169)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/695728
[07:07] <icekk> hey, is there an easy way to install the new gnome 3 alpha on ubuntu?
[07:07] <icemice> hey, is there an easy way to install the new gnome 3 alpha on ubuntu?
[07:10] <jmarsden> icemice: Try the Gnome3 Testing PPA, but "easy"?  No.  Easy would mean it all works fine already :)  https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/
[07:12] <icemice> So I add this to my software sources and do apt-get install ?
[07:14] <icemice> jmarsden
[07:15] <jmarsden> Add to sources, then apt-get update, *then* apt-get install to your hearts content :)  Yu might want to consider installing ppa-purge first in case thinks go wrong.. this is ALPHA software... you are aware of what that means, right?
[07:16] <icemice> ya :)
[07:17] <jmarsden> icemice: OK.  Just so you don't blame me for telling you you can do something that might break your system :)
[08:30] <didrocks> good morning
[08:30] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin,
[08:30] <GunnarHj> I rewrote the collect_locales() function in gui/simple-greeter/gdm-languages.c in an attempt to get something to start with for the GDM side of the solution to https://launchpad.net/bugs/693337. Need help to tweak the C code, though.
[08:30] <GunnarHj> Could you please take a look on that function and possibly modify the code. I think the latest patch in the linked branch shows what I'm trying to do. If not, please ask.
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693337 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Menus for choosing language should have one option per available translation (affects: 1) (heat: 119)" [Undecided,In progress]
[08:30] <GunnarHj> (I suggest that we wait with the overall review, including efficiency considerations, till both the GDM and language-selector branches work.)
[09:03] <pitti> Good morning
[09:04] <pitti> GunnarHj: can't do that this week (I'm on the gnome hackfest), but can hopefully look into this next week; let's discuss on the bug, so that I get mail about it, shall we?
[09:11] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:19] <pitti> dpm: so, new langpacks work, but don't have firefox translations at all :/ but I guess for alpha-2 that's okay
[09:19] <dpm> pitti, what happened? Were the FF translations not it the export yet?
[09:20] <pitti> dpm: haven't checked that closely; I think they are, but due to their changed structure they don't get converted to xpi
[09:20] <pitti> dpm: can't investigate in detail this week, putting off to next week
[09:20] <dpm> pitti, ok, thanks
[09:21] <dpm> pitti, have fun at the hackfest!
[09:21] <pitti> I do, thanks!
[09:48] <seb128> hello
[09:48] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:48] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:48] <pitti> bonjour mes amis
[09:49] <didrocks> hey pitti! (not sure I said hi before), how is the sprint?
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, howdy!
[09:49] <seb128> how are you?
[09:50] <didrocks> s/sprint/hackfest/
[09:50] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! how are you?
[09:51] <pitti> didrocks: very productive! it helps being able to focus on this thing for several hours, and being able to directly poke the experts :)
[09:51] <didrocks> excellent! :)
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:19] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[11:06] <seb128> slomo, hey
[11:07] <seb128> slomo, should libcairo-dev depends on libcairo-script-interpreter2?
[11:08] <seb128> slomo, see bug #704767
[11:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704767 in cairo (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "dangling .so symlink (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704767
[11:09] <seb128> is the launchpad ajax bug thing broken for other people as well?
[11:09] <seb128> like changing the status of a bug opens a new page rather than the usual small ajax dialog
[11:12] <slomo> seb128: yes
[11:12] <seb128> slomo, do you want a bug on the bts for that?
[11:14] <slomo> seb128: not necessary, i've fixed that in git already... will be in the next upload :)
[11:14] <slomo> seb128: thanks
[11:15] <seb128> slomo, oh, thank you ;-)
[11:17] <slomo> other than that latest cairo works great for you in ubuntu? in debian apparently nobody uses the new version, there are almost zero bugreports ;)
[11:18] <seb128> slomo, http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/cairo.git;a=commitdiff;h=210321dd61dff44c81d4e480ac837088a8b9e473
[11:18] <seb128> you have configure and makefiles changes in that commit that was wanted?
[11:18] <slomo> yay
[11:18] <slomo> i love debcommit
[11:18] <seb128> slomo, seems to work fine, it's in natty which quite some people use but we got no complain so far
[11:18] <seb128> 1.10.2 in natty
[11:18] <ari-tczew> seb128: could you look on bug 700370
[11:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 700370 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Please rename gir1.2-mutter-2.31 to gir1.2-mutter-2.91 (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700370
[11:19] <seb128> 1.10.0 in maverick which is mostly fine
[11:19] <seb128> ari-tczew, what about it?
[11:19] <ari-tczew> seb128: 1) I can't find gir1.2-mutter-2.31 in Conflicts/Replaces.
[11:19] <seb128> it's not, did you see the reply on the bug?
[11:19] <seb128> that version was only available during the natty unstable cycle
[11:20] <seb128> the few who got that binary can deal with updates, that's part of running an unstable serie early
[11:24] <ari-tczew> seb128: ok, so I'll close bug
[11:24] <seb128> k
[11:26] <rodrigo_> seb128, did you merge my g-s-d branch?
[11:27] <ari-tczew> didrocks: how to handle syncs with ~ubuntu-desktop branches?
[11:27] <seb128> rodrigo_, robert_ancell do
[11:27] <rodrigo_> ah, ok, was just wondering if it needed a SRU for maverick?
[11:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, it could be nice yes
[11:28] <seb128> do you want to do it?
[11:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, sure, but I'd prefer to get confirmation from matt that it fixes it for him
[11:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, so let's wait for that
[11:29] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:31] <didrocks> ari-tczew: what do you mean? sync from debian?
[11:31] <ari-tczew> didrocks: yes
[11:32] <didrocks> ari-tczew: do you have a case for a sync? if we sync from debian, we don't need the ~ubuntu-desktop branch anymore
[11:32] <ari-tczew> didrocks: check package mutter
[11:33] <ari-tczew> (universe)
[11:33] <didrocks> ari-tczew: if we are in sync (I thought we still have some distro-patch for it), we can remove the ~ubuntu-desktop branch
[11:34] <seb128> We don't want an ubuntu-desktop vcs for an universe source anyway
[11:35] <didrocks> yeah, I already removed some
[11:35] <ari-tczew> didrocks: could you remove it for mutter
[11:36] <didrocks> done. I'm not sure why we are at 2.91.5-1 btw
[11:36] <didrocks> it didn't build as well
[11:36] <didrocks> 2.91.4-0ubuntu1 is the latest version which was built (and still in main)
[11:36] <ari-tczew> yes, there is DEPWAIT
[11:52] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, ping
[12:00] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: pong
[12:01] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, just remembered about the views stuff you were working on, after a guy asked me how to use couchdb_database_execute_view for passing arguments, so how's that going?
[12:02] <rodrigo_> oh, wait, he can use the couchdb_query/_response thing, right?
[12:03] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: yes, that's the idea - but there is no couchdb_database_execute in 0.7.0
[12:04] <rodrigo_> execute_view, there is in git master
[12:05] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: yes, but it doesn't accept CouchdbQuery
[12:06] <rodrigo_> right
[12:06] <rodrigo_> answering the mail, CCing you
[12:06] <kklimonda> there is couchdb_database_execute_query which I'm going to work on merging to wip/query-response today
[12:07] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, ok
[12:07] <GunnarHj> pitti: (sorry about the delayed reply)
[12:07] <GunnarHj> Sure, discussing it next week on the bug is fine.
[12:07] <GunnarHj> Happy hacking!
[12:15] <pitti> thanks!
[12:22] <seb128> didrocks, is new unity having an empty icon in the launcher with a bubble "compiz" a known bug?
[12:23] <didrocks> seb128: known, but not reported. In any case, there is a discussion about changing the icon, so it doesn't worth the change
[12:23] <seb128> didrocks, "doesn't worth the change"?
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: like, doesn't worth putting back the old icon as it will be changed again
[12:24] <seb128> well the icon is not the issue, the issue is the launcher listing compiz as a running software where it's a system component
[12:24] <didrocks> oh sorry, was in another conversation and linked to a ccsm bug
[12:25] <didrocks> seb128: do you run it with a unity.desktop?
[12:25] <seb128> ?
[12:25] <didrocks> seb128: I don't see that at all
[12:25] <seb128> I run "unity" in the run a command gnome-panel dialog
[12:25] <didrocks> ok, so you don't have an unity.desktop you added somewhere in your system? weird, I didn't see that before
[12:26] <seb128> not that I know about
[12:26] <didrocks> ok, please report it then
[12:26] <seb128> $ locate unity.desktop
[12:26] <seb128> $
[12:26] <didrocks> ok… I don't know how bamf is aware about it
[12:26] <didrocks> it's shown from startup, right?
[12:27] <seb128> yes
[12:27] <didrocks> like, it doesn't appear suddenly?
[12:27] <seb128> it's listing gnome-panel as well
[12:27] <didrocks> ok, can you look at the startup logs, please?
[12:27] <seb128> which used to be not listed
[12:27] <seb128> where are those logs?
[12:27] <didrocks> in the output
[12:27] <didrocks> stdout then or .xsession-errors
[12:27] <seb128> so .xsession-errors?
[12:27] <didrocks> well, you run it in a command line, isn't it?
[12:28] <didrocks> but yeah, from gnome-panel, ignore me :)
[12:28] <didrocks> so .xsession-errors
[12:28] <seb128> hum, it's spammed by "(unity-window-decorator:1859): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_data: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" lines
[12:28] <didrocks> already reported
[12:29] <seb128> "** (<unknown>:2305): WARNING **: Unable to fetch children: Method "Children" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist"
[12:29] <seb128> as well
[12:29] <seb128> but I don't find anything revelant to the launcher issuer
[12:29] <didrocks> yeah, same here
[12:30] <didrocks> hum, weird, I don't either, it used to show the launcher import
[12:30] <didrocks> ok, they are not there anymore
[12:31] <didrocks> that's weird… it shouldn't match it, it started with that week release?
[12:31] <didrocks> you have the latest bamf, isn't it?
[12:32] <seb128> yes and yes
[12:34] <seb128> didrocks, the "keep in launcher" is ticked for both compiz and gnome-panel
[12:34] <didrocks> hum… I think it's maybe my importer
[12:34] <didrocks> seb128: can you look at (and eventually pastebin ~/.local/share/unity/migration_script.log)?
[12:35] <seb128> oh ok
[12:35] <seb128> didrocks, yeah it's your importer ;-)
[12:35] <seb128> it imported my desktop compiz.desktop and gnome-panel.desktop
[12:35] <didrocks> seb128: it's a pleasure to screw you \o/
[12:35] <didrocks> :)
[12:35] <seb128> I've those there because it's the easier way to restart compiz when it crashes
[12:35] <seb128> it doesn't require to be able to have keyboard input
[12:36] <seb128> you can just click on the icon
[12:36] <didrocks> seb128: where was it? in the panel?
[12:36] <seb128> no ~/Desktop/compiz.desktop
[12:36] <didrocks> ok :)
[12:36] <didrocks> maybe, we should build a blacklist…
[12:37] <didrocks> the "blank icon" bug is already fixed in trunk
[12:37] <seb128> doesn't seem worth the effort
[12:37] <seb128> it's not likely any user will have launchers for those
[12:37] <didrocks> (it will be replaced by the "unkown application" icon)
[12:37] <didrocks> yeah
[12:37] <didrocks> ok, all is explained at least :)
[12:38] <seb128> ok, it's all back to normal now
[12:38] <seb128> thanks
[12:38] <seb128> I just unchecked the keep in launcher
[12:38] <didrocks> you're welcome
[12:38] <didrocks> yeah, it shouldn't be reimported then
[12:38] <didrocks> if it is, do not hesitate to shout :)
[12:39] <seb128> ok ;-)
[12:49] <cyphermox> good morning!
[12:49] <cyphermox> so, didrocks, looks like it's indeed unity_support_test that takes too long to run on my system the very first time after boot -- and it gets killed after 1 second
[12:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: ok, having some data about how long it takes for it to be started can be nice
[12:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: like, replace it by /bin/true in the helper, and launch as a startup programm, mesure its time to start
[12:51] <cyphermox> didrocks, sure
[12:51] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks!
[12:52] <cyphermox> ok, trying now ;)
[12:52] <seb128> slomo, btw http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58943316/gst-plugins-base0.10_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[12:52] <seb128> slomo, could use "dh_perl -d" in debian as well?
[12:53] <seb128> slomo, seems the code fix is in the upstream new version but you didn't apply the dh_perl change to debian
[13:02] <cyphermox> didrocks, seems it runs in just under 3 seconds
[13:03] <didrocks> 3 seconds? :/
[13:04] <cyphermox> yeah :/
[13:05] <didrocks> ok, I'll increase the timeout to 5 seconds for now, before working on caching that
[13:05] <cyphermox> didrocks, I wonder if there is anyway to test less, or more pointed things?
[13:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: no, because what takes time is opengl initialisation
[13:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: then, it's just reading values in an array
[13:08] <cyphermox> ah, I see
[13:08] <cyphermox> five seconds still seems like a lot, even if it's only to be on first boot once it's cached
[13:09] <didrocks> it's not only on first boot
[13:09] <didrocks> it's at every boot
[13:09] <cyphermox> unless you want to cache on install?
[13:09] <didrocks> no we don't want
[13:09] <cyphermox> I thought you wanted to save the results?
[13:10] <didrocks> yeah, in gdm, before logging
[13:10] <didrocks> you can have driver which changes
[13:10] <didrocks> you can switch your graphic card
[13:10] <didrocks> you can install another driver as well
[13:10] <didrocks> we don't want to handle all of those cases
[13:10] <cyphermox> I knew my idea was flawed :)
[13:12] <didrocks> :)
[13:12]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:01] <seb128> hum
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, hey, do you have time to investigate a build issue?
[14:01] <mterry> seb128, sure
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, libgee
[14:01]  * mterry looks
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110107/+buildjob/2150044
[14:02] <seb128> one of the tests is failing
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, while you are at it if you do an upload please rename the gir to 1.2 as well
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, thanks!
[14:02] <mterry> seb128, k
[14:12] <mterry> seb128, where'd you get this build error from, a rebuild test?  LP says all  archs built.
[14:14] <seb128> mterry, building the current natty source on i386 gives me the same issue
[14:14] <seb128> mterry, right, that's the test rebuild doko did
[14:14] <mterry> seb128, same, was just curious if you knew when it came from or something
[14:15] <seb128> no I don't
[14:16] <seb128> mterry, could be vala which changed?
[14:17] <mterry> seb128, could be, but the generated c code seems correct
[14:28] <mterry> seb128, seems like a badly written test, relying on the order of strings in a hash.  Maybe glib's g_str_hash function changed...
[14:32] <seb128> grrr, can ctrl-W stop closing tabs in xchat-gnome
[14:32] <kklimonda> seb128: do you have a moment?
[14:32] <seb128> mterry, not that I know about no
[14:32] <seb128> mterry, but if the test is buggy just fix or drop it and maybe open an upstream bug?
[14:32] <seb128> kklimonda, sure
[14:32] <seb128> kklimonda, hey btw
[14:33] <mterry> seb128, well, I'm trying to find out if they have reason for the assumption of if it really is just buggy.  Even if buggy, would be nice to know why the change
[14:33] <kklimonda> seb128: hey :)
[14:33] <kklimonda> seb128: can you tell me if such a revision to the license doesn't make it incompatible with dfsg: http://pastebin.com/ZCQf9KWm ?
[14:34] <dpm> hi, does anyone know if there is an easy way to "reset" or reload the message indicator? I'm affected by that bug where duplicate entries are shown, and right now there are too many entries to be usable
[14:36] <seb128> dpm, kill indicator-messages-service
[14:38] <seb128> mterry, ok
[14:39] <dpm> thanks seb128. That removed most of the duplicate entries, so I can now at least use it, but there are still some duplicates that did not go away. In any case, works for me ;)
[14:40] <seb128> kklimonda, I'm not sure best person to ask about licenses, can you ask on #ubuntu-devel?
[14:40] <seb128> dpm, you should get the running sofwares twice
[14:40] <seb128> dpm, "should" as "known bug'
[14:40] <seb128> but it should get ride of the extra entries you get when closing and starting a software again
[14:41] <kklimonda> seb128: good idea, thanks :)
[14:42] <dpm> seb128, yeah, that's exactly the case
[15:12] <mterry> seb128, spent enough time checking, I just threw a patch upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639955  Will apply in Ubuntu
[15:12] <ubot2> Gnome bug 639955 in general "[PATCH] Fix ReadOnlyCollectionTests.test_immutable_iterator" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:27] <seb128> didrocks, btw the 3d check is even slower when restarting after a kernel upgrade
[17:28] <seb128> since the disk cache needs to be rebuilt
[17:28] <seb128> didrocks, dropping the comment there since some users mentionned getting the issue only after an upgrade
[17:30] <didrocks> seb128: oh intesting
[17:30] <didrocks> in any case, we link against 15Mb of libs, I'll talk to jay if we can narrow that down
[17:39] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, have you had a chance to look at the empathy stuff?
[17:42] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, what issue are you having?
[17:42] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, you should maybe switch to some others tasks until the gnome3 is somehow working
[17:42] <seb128> it seems you are running into issue over what you can solve now and other people don't run the gnome3 ppa yet
[17:45] <didrocks> ok, see you tomorrow!
[17:45] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, i got my VM updated and all, but too swamped atm
[17:45] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, OK i was just wondering
[17:45] <kenvandine> sorry :/
[17:46] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, I guess I will.  I wanted empathy as packaging package and i'm sure you understand my frustration but interest in seeing it packaged for GNOME3
[17:47] <dobey> hrmm, python-webkit package seems a bit broken to me
[17:47] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, no need to be sorry.  I know how busy and swamped you are
[17:47] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, right, maybe work on the 2.32 version by backporting some upstream patches, looking at bugs, etc?
[17:47] <kenvandine> dobey, yes... bug 688732
[17:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688732 in pywebkitgtk (Ubuntu) "package no longer has WebView attribute after transition to python 2.7 (affects: 35) (dups: 13) (heat: 234)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688732
[17:48] <bcurtiswx_> dobey, there's a workaround in there right?
[17:48] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, OK.
[17:49] <dobey> bcurtiswx_: rm -rf /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/webkit 'works'
[17:49] <dobey> bcurtiswx_: but the package contains an __init__.py which doesn't seem to be getting symlinked to /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/...
[17:49] <bcurtiswx_> its not the solution.. but it 'works' yes
[17:50] <seb128> dobey, which one is that?
[17:50] <seb128> there is no /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/webkit on my install
[17:51] <dobey> seb128: i think it got left around from an older version
[17:51] <dobey> seb128: but /usr/share/pyshared/webkit/__init__.py is in the package
[17:51] <dobey> albeit, python stuff doesn't get run on configure
[17:51] <dobey> and not sure why the old stuff didn't get removed on upgrade
[17:52] <seb128> dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/webkit
[17:52] <seb128> dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/webkit/__init__.py
[17:52] <seb128> does that return anything?
[17:52] <dobey> seb128: 'no such file'
[17:52] <kenvandine> even for people with that file, it doesn't show up as owned by the package
[17:53] <kenvandine> it got created when it did it's magic for py2.6 and py2.7
[17:53] <dobey> seb128: because the package isn't using dh_python2 afaik
[17:53] <kenvandine> i think doko changed it to use dh_python2
[17:53] <dobey> the 2.7 rebuild was only a changelog entry to get a rebuild for 2.7
[17:54] <dobey> i don't see any switch to dh_python2
[17:54] <kenvandine> oh, no it is pysupport
[17:54] <kenvandine> i guess maybe he mentioned that in -devel
[17:55] <dobey> so i wonder why the python triggers aren't being triggered for it
[18:00] <dobey> also
[18:00] <dobey> apt-get remove python-webkit, wants me to install KDE instead.
[18:09] <pitti> good night everyone! we'll have a presentation now, and then toddle off to dinner/hotel
[18:09] <pitti> see you tomorrow!
[18:16] <seb128> 'night pitti
[19:32] <nessita> mterry: ping
[19:32] <mterry> nessita, hello
[19:32] <nessita> mterry: hi there! do I need to take any extra action to have u1cp in the main repo/CD? is still listed as in universe
[19:34] <mterry> nessita, no, now it's in the queue for an archive admin to get to it.  If you ping one, you can likely hurry it along
[19:34] <nessita> mterry: ok, thanks :-)
[19:36] <seb128> is something bringing it on the CD?
[19:54] <nessita> seb128: I would love to know! do you know?
[19:55] <dobey> seb128: nothing on the cd will Depends: on it; ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk will need to be explicitly added to the default install set/cd
[19:56] <seb128> dobey, nessita: either something in the default install needs to Depends on Recommends it
[19:56] <seb128> could be unity or the ubuntunone-client?
[19:56] <seb128> or we need to seed it
[19:57] <dobey> seb128: ubuntuone-client would cause a circular dep. i think it should be seeded probably, and unity should probably Recommends it
[19:57] <seb128> well if unity recommends it no need to seed it
[19:57] <dobey> or whatever provides the default launcher favorite item, that is
[19:58] <dobey> ok
[20:01] <seb128> we will get it on the CD don't worry
[20:57] <mterry> bratsche, heyo.  Did you have some testcase for indicator-appmenu that was causing problems for some class of apps?  (java?)
[20:58] <seb128> mterry, hey, how is libgee going?
[20:59] <mterry> seb128, waiting for it to be added to the desktop set.  :)
[20:59] <seb128> oh ok ;-)
[20:59] <mterry> seb128, it's fixed in upstream trunk
[21:00] <seb128> mterry, did they take your patch or was it already fixed?
[21:01] <mterry> seb128, turns out it was already fixed, but basically in the same way my patch did
[21:01] <seb128> ok, sorry for the work duplication with them then
[21:01] <mterry> Upstream blamed valac for the change of behavior, but I don't think that is the case (I tested with 0.11.2 to be sure)
[21:02] <bratsche> mterry: Let me see if I can find it.  A bunch of my files are kind of disorganized since I had to reinstall Natty on my system from scratch and backup my stuff.
[21:07] <bratsche> micahg around?
[21:07] <seb128> bratsche, mterry: http://pastebin.com/Gy7810w9
[21:07] <micahg> bratsche: yep
[21:07] <seb128> that's the swt example from IRC logs?
[21:08] <bratsche> micahg: Where does this DEP-3 header thing go?  Is it part of the bzr commit log, or the patch?
[21:08] <bratsche> micahg, (in response to your comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~bratsche/ubuntu/natty/gnome-do/disable-resize-grips/+merge/46301 )
[21:08] <micahg> bratsche: it's part of the patch
[21:08] <seb128> bratsche, it's part of the patch
[21:08] <seb128> bratsche, it's just some infos at the start of the file to indicate bug references, etc
[21:08] <mterry> seb128, OK, looks like a java test case alright
[21:09] <bratsche> Cool, thanks.
[21:09] <seb128> mterry, if you want to start working on appmenu-gtk there is quite some issues to grab on launchpad
[21:09] <mterry> seb128, noted
[21:09] <bratsche> seb128: Thanks for finding that SWT example!
[21:09] <seb128> bratsche, yw
[21:10] <seb128> mterry, one issue reported this week is that the help, summary entries don't work in appmenu for example
[21:17] <seb128> ok, enough work for today
[21:17] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[21:17] <bratsche> Later seb!
[21:17] <bratsche> micahg: Okay cool, I pushed up some changes to that branch for whenever you have a chance to review it again.  Thanks!
[21:18] <micahg> bratsche: will take a look later, thanks


[07:55] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:01] <Laney> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:01] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg Laney
[08:01] <willcooke> Welcome flexiondotorg!
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Laney, o/
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Thanks :-)
[08:02] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, poke me once you have access to the inner sanctum
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> OK
[08:02] <Laney> hey flexiondotorg
[08:02] <Laney> welcome!
[08:02] <pitti> hey Laney, hey willcooke
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Thanks Laney
[08:02] <pitti> hello flexiondotorg, welcome to the desktop team
[08:02] <willcooke> morning pitti
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Thanks
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> And morning
[08:02] <Laney> you will have your mandatory reeducation shortly
[08:03] <Laney> hi pitti
[08:03] <Laney> how's berlin?
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> I have purged childhood memories in readyness
[08:03] <pitti> flexiondotorg: la plus important chose : on parle français ici ☺
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Non
[08:03] <Laney> I saw the weekend kernel fun :/
[08:03] <pitti> Laney: kernel> ugh, yes
[08:03]  * willcooke prepares the poetry appreciation chairs
[08:04] <pitti> Laney: awesome! we went to the Tempelhof airfield yesterday, and walked around a lot
[08:04] <flexiondotorg> hablo un poco de español
[08:05] <Laney> pitti: ah nice, we went there too
[08:05] <larsu> me too!
[08:05] <Laney> ah larsu
[08:05] <Laney> ♥
[08:05] <larsu> hey Laney ♥
[08:05] <didrocks> hey willcooke, flexiondotorg, larsu, larsu!
[08:05] <Laney> when's the conference?
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> Morning didrocks larsu
[08:06] <larsu> morning didrocks, didrocks!
[08:06]  * Laney pouts at didrocks didrocks
[08:06] <didrocks> welcome flexiondotorg :)
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> Thanks didrocks :-)
[08:07] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: so, you now have to learn French
[08:07] <larsu> hi flexiondotorg! I guess I can't say welcome anymore... but you know ;)
[08:07] <larsu> flexiondotorg: whatever you do, do. not. learn. french.
[08:07] <Laney> you are wearing larsu's shoes
[08:07] <Laney> now about that geonames project...
[08:07]  * larsu will not give up the nick
[08:07] <Laney> the previous maintainer was a JERK!
[08:08] <larsu> actually, I might. The 'u' is starting to bother me
[08:08]  * flexiondotorg looks around. Can't see his GCSE French books
[08:08] <Laney> make it mean something else
[08:08] <didrocks> I think you can expense some online lessons
[08:08] <larsu> Laney: I heard he's quite nice actually
[08:08] <Laney> über alles
[08:45] <pitti> flexiondotorg: yes, Canonical pays the full price of the French duolingo course :)
[09:01] <pitti> happyaro1: what's the status of bug 1575614? It currently marks the 1.2.2 SRU as failed, and blocks further SRUs of NM (I need to work on one)
[09:04] <Trevinho> hei flexiondotorg, welcome!! :-)
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, o/
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> Thanks :-)
[09:05] <ogra_> huh ?
[09:05] <ogra_> flexiondotorg, duuude !
[09:05] <willcooke> pitti, happyaro1 is in SFO this week, so expect a bit of a delay. Maybe drop him an email
[09:05] <pitti> willcooke: ah, thanks
[09:05]  * flexiondotorg hugs ogra_
[09:05]  * ogra_ hugs flexiondotorg and dances
[09:11] <willcooke> Laney, would you be able to take a look at this when you get a mo:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1627190
[09:11] <willcooke> I think for "desktop" it doesn't really matter.  We have all the horsepowers.  Maybe flexiondotorg has an opinion here too, wrt RasPi etc. ^
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> Shipping .pyc will improve start up time.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> That said, I've had mixed feedback from guys in Debian about shipping .pyc in packages.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> Some reviewers have suggested removing other prefer to keep them.
[09:14] <ogra_> willcooke, well, effectively it only matters on readonly media ... and only for the first start of apps ... on rw media the files are created on the fly at the first app start
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> openSUSE do pre-compile all python and ship .pyc.
[09:14] <ogra_> i think we do so too
[09:14] <Laney> It's done at install-time
[09:14] <ogra_> by default
[09:14] <Laney> I think
[09:14] <Laney> is it?
[09:14]  * Laney spins
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> If it is a proper python module, and dh-python is used you'll get .pyc
[09:15] <ogra_> well, i definitely have the files after adding ubuntu-core to the exception in livecd-rootfs
[09:15] <ogra_> they must come from somewhere ... :) either a postinst snippet or build time
[09:17] <willcooke> IMO, it makes sense for desktop, server, cloud and core to all do the same thing.  So I'd be +1 for leaving them in on that basis alone
[09:17] <Laney> Anyway.
[09:17] <Laney> I would guess it was to save space
[09:18] <willcooke> it was
[09:18] <ogra_> it surely was
[09:18] <Laney> You would want data about how much space it saves
[09:18] <ogra_> well, do a build with ubuntu-desktop in the exception :)
[09:19] <Laney> I can imagine how to arrange to get the data, but thanks :P
[09:43] <jibel> vigo, blank app scope on yakkety bug 1627668
[09:59] <didrocks> willcooke: flexiondotorg: ogra_: Laney: it's a dpkg trigger creating them at install time. We don't ship it as part of the package by default because we don't want to rebuild the world when a new python version (with a different path) is shipped. So, the pyc are only compiled for the python version the users has installed on his machine
[10:01] <willcooke> didrocks, ah, interesting.  Would you mind commenting on the bug?
[10:02] <didrocks> willcooke: will do it this afternoon (but that's the basic python mecanism)
[10:02] <willcooke> thx didrocks
[10:03] <didrocks> ubuntu core case is different (as we don't install packages, but ship an installed rootfs, with some filtering). But ogra now ships the .pyc due to the long Python Speed Discussion thread(Tm)
[10:05] <Laney> Yeah, that's how it works, thanks
[10:05] <Laney> didrocks: Doesn't matter for that bug though
[10:05] <Laney> It would be the same whatever way they were shipped
[10:06] <Laney> except that if it were in the binaries then the re-byte-compiling would need to be reproducible
[10:06] <Laney> not sure if it is nor not
[10:06] <Laney> or
[10:06] <Laney> and doesn't matter, because it's not done that way :)
[10:31] <ogra_> does anyone know a way to run evolution without clutter (i.e. plain gtk3) without recompiling ?
[10:31] <ogra_> i'd love to use it under Mir but it errors out with a clutter error currently
[10:32] <davmor2> ogra_: just run it in libertine and be done ;)
[10:33] <ogra_> eeek, no... that even kills my XPS13 ... already tried ... i want to run the native deb on the actual host ...
[10:33] <ogra_> i dont like my cpu fans to spin all the time ... and my RAM is precious :)
[10:34] <davmor2> ogra_: then use claws :P
[10:34] <ogra_> :P
[10:34] <Trevinho> hey pitti
[10:34] <ogra_> i'll just wait for the mutt gtk3 port :P
[10:34] <pitti> hey Trevinho
[10:34] <Trevinho> pitti: can you comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/hud/systemd-for-session/+merge/300430?
[10:34] <pitti> Trevinho: just stepping out of the door, will look later
[10:35] <Laney> ogra_: doubt it, gtk-clutter uses a different gtk_init
[10:35] <ogra_> ah, sad
[10:35] <Laney> clutter-gtk*
[10:35] <ogra_> i know it used to be possible to build it without clutter though ... perhaps that still works
[10:35] <Laney> it is
[10:35]  * ogra_ will have to check next weekend
[10:36] <Laney> also https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter-gtk/log/?h=wip/mir dunno what that is
[10:36] <Laney> ;-)
[10:36] <Trevinho> pitti: ok, no worries... there's no rush
[10:37] <ogra_> oh
[10:43] <Laney> Trevinho: seb's away, so if you want that in it might be a good idea to fix it :)
[10:43] <Laney> Trevinho: also, hi!
[10:44] <Trevinho> hey Laney
[10:44] <Laney> how's it going?
[10:44] <Trevinho> Laney: sure, I know that... that's why I'm asking...
[10:44] <Trevinho> Laney: good, good... Doing some qml work these days
[10:45] <Laney> O_O
[10:45] <Trevinho> And staying some days in Turin, now I'm in a coworking space near to the Politecnico... Quite nice.
[10:45] <Trevinho> Laney: you?
[10:46] <Laney> not too bad thanks
[10:46] <Laney> reviewing FFes
[10:46] <Laney> but at least I have a coffee
[11:25] <andyrock> morning all
[11:35] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[11:48] <Laney> omgz the world is down
[11:53]  * Laney stockpiles essentials
[11:55] <ximion_> Laney: I asked some GC-related questions at the D forums<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:56] <ximion_> so far, no reply, but they are rather special, so let's see
[11:56] <ximion_> (for another question I asked I got a faster reply which was basically "your workaround is good" and "don't use the GC and use refcounting instead" :P
[11:56] <Laney> heh
[11:57]  * RAOF resists the urge to be a pedant.
[11:57] <Laney> thanks for filing
[11:57] <Laney> I was just trying to recompile with LDC and then everything on earth went down
[11:58] <Laney> ximion_: you could run with the ubuntu backend ...
[11:58] <Laney> or if it's in the downloading stuff, use a remote mirror
[11:59] <Laney> good job I decided to set this up in staging isn't it :-)
[11:59] <ximion_> Laney: jup, but who knew that this would be an issue?
[12:00] <ximion_> I don't see any off the bugs you describe, so it's either something in the Ubuntu backend causing them, or a GDC weirdness
[12:00] <Laney> unknown unknowns, that's the point of testing
[12:04] <ximion_> Laney: I fixed something super-weird at the weekend: https://github.com/ximion/appstream-generator/commit/6ab455ed9c33c2e014a52d8c9539ba5169a6131d
[12:04] <ximion_> Lanes: I don't know why storing a pointer in the class and using it later results in wrong behavior there - according to the fontconfig docs, that shouldn't have been the case
[12:05] <ximion_> Laney: so either some bad optimization was happening there, or Fontconfig simply sucks. Both is equally probable, IMHO
[12:05] <Laney> all these bugs are weird
[12:06] <Laney> like the LMDB one we can't explain
[12:08] <Laney> countdown to the C rewrite... :)
[12:09] <desrt> happy monday
[12:09] <desrt> resistance won
[12:10] <ximion_> Laney: uh, I hope I can get around doing that ^^ - multithreaded C is even less fun
[12:10] <Laney> GThread!
[12:10] <Laney> hi desrt
[12:10] <Laney> well done
[12:10] <desrt> hey laney :)
[12:10] <ximion_> Laney: for the fontconfig bit, *everyone* uses the library that way, so I kind of wonder why - probably because fontconfig is just buggy there
[12:12] <ximion_> Laney: I am pondering over writing a MongoDB backend for asgen... Shouldn't be too hard and would allow us to get rid of the mmap and also store massive amounts of data, which is interesting for the "I have thousands of PPAs" case
[12:17] <Laney> ximion_: Ya we should think about the PPA thing
[12:18] <Laney> Might want to make the asgen more cloudy to work with that
[12:18] <Laney> so you can have 10 asgens that take requests from a pool, or something
[12:18] <ximion_> Laney: Mongo is the hipster thing to go with - can't be more cloudy ^^
[12:18] <pitti> Trevinho: replied to the hud MP
[12:18] <Laney> you'd need to do a work queue thing too
[12:19] <Laney> and maybe other stuff
[12:19] <ximion_> LMDB will run out there, as it becomes pretty inefficient if you have too much stuff in there
[12:19] <Laney> like make it a daemon that is polling the queue
[12:19] <ximion_> yes, will be quite an effort to plan and implement properly
[12:19] <pitti> Trevinho: ... or was trying to, until LP timed out :)
[12:22] <ximion_> Laney: especially plan it, I haven't thought enough about it yet, so if you have ideas - since Ubuntu/LP will - at time - be pretty much the only user of this, any feedback on how this should look like to work for you would be useful
[12:22]  * ximion_ knows nothing about LP
[12:23] <Laney> not sure right now
[12:24] <Laney> basically LP submitting to a queue (amqp or something), then fetching from some well known place (maybe just the existing rsync)
[12:25] <Laney> cloudy is going to be no good if each instance needs 32GB though ._.
[12:29] <ximion_> Laney: yeah, we need to get to the bottom of this
[12:30] <Laney> although
[12:30] <Laney> if it's split by arch too then the leak won't be so bad
[12:30] <ximion_> Laney: when I asked<EMAIL_ADDRESS>the first reply was use refcounting, so in case the GC really is the culprit, we could certainly do that (and then need to check for reference loops...)
[12:30] <Trevinho> pitti: thanks, i'll fix that next days then... I guess it's better not to remove all the upstart stuff too
[12:31] <Trevinho> pitti: also, about that landing silo with indicators, shouldn't that only land in yakkety (while it was created with a triple landing)
[12:31] <Trevinho> causing troubles, I guess
[12:31] <ximion_> but tbh, I don't think it's the GC - I kind of suspect LMDB or zarchive to be the problem here, nothing else could fill up 32G quickly enough
[12:31] <pitti> Trevinho: if you can get away with landing it in y, sure; but I thought some of these packages should be kept in sync between v/x/y
[12:32] <Laney> ximion_: we should make a small archive and valgrind it
[12:32] <Laney> it grows with each arch
[12:32] <Trevinho> pitti: mh, i see.. I just would like to avoid the landing to delay more because of SRU bits
[12:34] <pitti> Trevinho: yeah, me too
[12:34] <ximion_> Laney: I am using almost exactly the same code (TagFile and archive stuff) in another project, and memory usage is fine there
[12:34] <ximion_> Laney: I also did Valgrind it at some point when the project was still younger, w/o finding memory leaks
[12:34] <Laney> would be worth trying again
[12:34] <pitti> Trevinho: I don't know what the status of that is or what blocks it; but from my POV, anything that unblocks it is good obviously :)
[12:35] <Laney> and with the ubuntu backend / with remote repo
[12:35] <ximion_> Valgrind got a bit confused by the GCs memory pools though, and GLib also sometimes has extra memory allocated (but there is some env var to work around that)
[12:36] <ximion_> Laney: you can alter the LMDB mapsize to something much smaller: https://github.com/ximion/appstream-generator/blob/master/src/asgen/datastore.d#L131
[12:36] <ximion_> then you can valigrind the stuff, but also only can process small archives
[12:36] <Laney> yeah saw that
[12:36] <Laney> i'll try it some point in the future
[12:37]  * Laney is trying ldc build now
[12:37] <ximion_> Laney: you will run into https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues/1774
[12:38] <ximion_> that's what you get from having a Git snapshot compiler in Debian :-/
[12:38] <ximion_> (markos, what did you do!!)
[12:38] <ximion_> Laney: if they manage to fix that quickly, then we are in luck and I can upload a fixed version asap
[12:39] <Laney> I got a build ...
[12:39] <ximion_> the last beta version also works
[12:39] <Laney> of the snapshot version, backported to xenial
[12:39] <Laney> and that works to build asgen
[12:39] <ximion_> Laney: it just can't build itself :P
[12:40] <Laney> whatever was in xenial can build it :)
[12:40] <ximion_> if it builds, it's fine ^^
[12:40] <ximion_> are you using Meson?
[12:40] <Laney> not atm
[12:40] <Laney> too many backports
[12:41] <ximion_> ^^
[12:42]  * ximion_ goes through the D world writing Meson build files at time
[13:13] <GunnarHj> willcooke: Hi Will, the guest session feature seems to be broken in Ubuntu (with Unity); please see bug #1627304. It's not clear yet which package(s) are the culprit. Guest session works fine in Ubuntu MATE, so it's probably not lightdm. Anyway, just wanted to call your attention to the issue, since I suppose it's something which should be fixed before the release.
[13:46]  * Laney late lunch
[14:07] <willcooke> erk, LP down?
[14:07] <pitti> me 2
[14:07] <willcooke> ta
[14:07]  * willcooke makes tea
[14:10] <pitti> erk, it's not just LP -- http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/
[14:13] <didrocks> luckily I work on spreadsheets! </irony>
[14:13] <willcooke> ruh roh
[14:13] <willcooke> :)
[14:14] <willcooke> didrocks, could you make a presentation about it?
[14:14] <pitti> I just thought "let's do some archive admin while I wait for this bisect"...
[14:14] <willcooke> ha
[14:14] <didrocks> willcooke: indeed, with some Action items associated :)
[14:14] <willcooke> didrocks, \o/
[14:48] <Laney> oh noes!
[14:48] <Laney> nothing to do now, might as well go to the beach
[14:50] <willcooke> :)
[14:50] <xnox> Laney, lol =)
[14:54] <Laney> blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:54] <didrocks> you did realize that it's raining outside? :)
[14:54] <didrocks> (says the weather website :p)
[14:54] <Laney> as if that ever stopped a brit from going to the beach
[14:54] <Laney> i'll even have a bbq
[14:54] <didrocks> ahah, different standards!
[14:55] <didrocks> that should remind you of those glorious days of launchpad update :)
[14:55] <Laney> just wedge the umbrella into the handle
[14:55] <Laney> no matter if you get a little bit of plastic in your food
[14:55] <Laney> adds to the flavour
[14:56] <Laney> oh man, the pre FDT days
[14:56] <didrocks> FDT?
[14:57] <Laney> fastdowntime
[14:58] <Laney> Trevinho: can we make unity have Unity;Unity7 in XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP plz?
[14:58] <Laney> s/;/:/ # argh
[15:02] <didrocks> yeah, pre FDT, with an hour and half downtime ;)
[15:17] <eyelash> I just installed 16.10 from the daily ISO. works like a charm so far
[15:23] <Laney> :)
[15:23] <Laney> shut it down now so nothing goes wrong
[15:23] <flexiondotorg> lulz
[15:25] <GunnarHj> eyelash: Did you try to enter a guest session?
[15:25] <eyelash> GunnarHj: no
[15:26] <Laney> omg there's a bug!!!!!
[15:26] <GunnarHj> eyelash: Please do (bug 1627304).
[15:27] <eyelash> launchpad is temorarily unavailable :(
[15:28] <Laney> I wouldn't bother trying
[15:28] <Laney> Not sure why he's trying to get you to experience a bug
[15:29] <GunnarHj> Laney: ??
[15:29] <Laney> Why are you telling someone who had a good experience to go have a bad one?
[15:30] <GunnarHj> Laney: Mostly because I wanted you to have something useful to do. ;)
[15:31] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, not sure is defining it though
[15:31] <Laney> Ok, thanks for your concern - be assured that the bug is known :)
[15:31] <Laney> Trevinho: It's in the session file - DesktopNames
[15:32] <eyelash> is there anything else I should test? I have a Radeon X1300 which might be quite an unusual card. will test unity8 in the coming days
[15:32] <GunnarHj> Laney: Great, and to be serious, that's what I wanted to make sure.
[15:37] <eyelash> I assume the theme bugs will be fixed before the release!?
[15:37] <ogra_> depends if launchpad comes back before release :)
[15:50] <davmor2> Laney: any idea why compiz would go awol if you select the video scope?
[15:50] <Laney> 0
[15:50] <Laney> did it crash?
[15:51] <davmor2> Laney: nope just used 98.2% cpu until the spinner stopped then dropped
[15:52] <davmor2> Laney: this is a fresh install so no actual videos on the system
[15:52] <Laney> don't know, you would be better off asking a compiz developer
[15:52] <davmor2> Laney: hmmm okay
[15:52] <Laney> soz
[15:52] <davmor2> Laney: no worries it was a longshot anyway :)
[16:07] <Laney> jdstrand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1627304 <- looks to do with the apparmor profile (setting it to complain makes login from greeter work); could you put it on your (or someone's) stack please?
[16:08]  * Laney got called by pagerduty /o\
[16:10] <tyhicks> Laney: someone from the security team will look at that this week (it may not be jdstrand)
[16:10] <Laney> tyhicks: righto, thanks
[16:10] <Laney> tyhicks: I made it affect apparmor now
[16:11] <tyhicks> Laney: thanks!
[16:11] <Laney> I mean, if the fix is in the profile then it's lightdm, but this presumably gets the right people to look
[16:20] <flocculant> tyhicks: re that ^^ bug - you asked for apparmor=Denied - yup that is there - will comment on bug
[16:20] <tyhicks> flocculant: thanks, that'll help a lot
[16:22] <flocculant> tyhicks: welcome
[16:23] <Laney> been a few mid air collisions on there :P
[17:03] <willcooke> hmmm
[17:03] <willcooke> crashy
[17:10] <davmor2> willcooke: welcome to my world
[17:41]  * flexiondotorg is still subscribing to mailing lists...
[17:57] <willcooke> Right, dinner time.
[17:57] <willcooke> night all


[19:27] <peterbennett> Hi
[19:28] <paul-h> Hi Peter it's lonely in here
[19:28] <peterbennett> Was this here before you joined it?
[19:29] <peterbennett> I guess you can make up a channel anytime by typing in any name
[19:29] <paul-h> ubuntulog bot is here so I think it was here
[19:30] <paul-h> It's mentioned on the wiki that's how I found it
[19:31] <peterbennett> It seems that irc.libera.chat is the same as irc.ubuntu.com
[20:07] <paul-h> The official Ubuntu channel list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList) says to use irc.libera.chat so don't know


[00:13] <diddledan> microsoftie talking about users "self-blaming" when something goes wrong: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/BadUXAndUserSelfBlameImSorryImNotAComputerPerson.aspx
[00:13] <diddledan> it's a good read
[02:49] <mapp> hi
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[02:57] <diddledan> lo
[03:26] <mapp> hm
[03:26] <mapp> quitw hot here again
[03:34] <zmoylan-pi> [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Mostly Cloudy | Temp: 15C/59F/288K/518R | Humidity: 88% | Wind Speed 9mph/14kmph
[03:51]  * zmoylan-pi listens to seagulls outside... doesn't bode well for weather
[04:08] <mapp> im smoking about 40/day  now
[04:08] <mapp> argh
[05:06] <MarkDude>  /join #opensuse-de
[05:07] <mapp> welll  thats a bit of fun eh
[05:07] <mapp> my sister got held at gunpoint a tottenham hale
[05:07] <zmoylan-pi> hope she's ok
[05:08] <mapp> yea she's fine///
[05:08] <mapp> but what the hell
[05:09] <mapp> she was with her boyfriend luckily
[05:09] <zmoylan-pi> stuff nicked from them?
[05:10] <mapp> just her bag and iphone
[05:10] <mapp> who cares about that
[05:10] <zmoylan-pi> there might be sentimental stuff in her bag
[05:11] <mapp> i keep telling people london isnt the dream they think
[05:11] <mapp> im glad to have left the uk
[05:11] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think there's anywhere that's free of crime
[05:12] <mapp> dad was traveling
[05:12] <diddledan> amazingstoke. flip yeah!
[05:12] <mapp> to stoke from euston
[05:12] <mapp> and someone tried grabbing his bag
[05:13] <mapp> he was a prison officer for 40 years....h isnt getting mugged off
[05:13] <mapp> people are scum
[05:13] <zmoylan-pi> some people are scum
[05:18] <mapp> why cant people be nice
[05:32] <diddledan> some people are nice
[05:42] <mapp> told with my arabic i can come with or get lost
[05:42]  * mapp speaks arabic
[07:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:13] <bujji> MooDoo:o/
[07:15] <mapp> mrning
[07:16] <mapp> what am i gonna do? seriously one of you must smoke
[07:16] <mapp> i cant stop:(
[07:19] <diplo> Morning all
[07:19] <diplo> I smoke mapp
[07:19] <bujji> morning
[07:20] <diplo> Haven't read up though, git a e-cig and cut down maybe if you can't just quit
[07:21] <bujji> like sshpass -p ----- how cn i do it for sftp
[07:25] <diddledan> care to elaborate your question, bujji ?
[07:25] <mapp> morning diplo
[07:25] <diddledan> allo diplo
[07:27] <bujji> diddleadan:how can i pass password without automating password for ftp
[07:28] <diddledan> bujji: you said sftp - that's not ftp. for sftp you should use an ssh-key
[07:28] <bujji> diddledan:okey sftp
[07:29] <diplo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys--2
[07:29] <diplo> bujji:
[07:30] <diplo> Then you can just do scp file user@domain.tld:/path
[07:30] <bujji> diplo:so how can i use that ssh key in sftp
[07:30] <diplo> Read the documentation, it'll explain
[07:31] <diplo> But basically, you create a key locally, you copy your public key to server and then you connect
[07:31] <diplo> In very simple terms
[07:31] <diplo> :)
[07:31] <bujji> diplo :without automation
[07:32] <diplo> No option afaik to pass a password to ssh over cli afaaik with a switch as it's not seure
[07:32] <diplo> Could use a script to do it, but SSH keys are what you want
[07:33] <bujji> sshpass -p <password> user@host ---this can connect?
[07:34] <diddledan> err
[07:34] <diddledan> there's no programme called sshpass
[07:34] <diplo> ssThere is :)
[07:34] <diplo> JHust looked myself
[07:34] <bujji> diddledan:what arr?
[07:35] <diplo> NAME sshpass - noninteractive ssh password provider
[07:35] <diddledan> so there is
[07:35] <diddledan> it's not default tho
[07:35] <diplo> I've never installed it, but it's on my system
[07:35] <mapp> ahhh damnit
[07:35] <mapp> gotta get a flight for december
[07:36] <mapp> se my sister and dad and that around Purley Way
[07:36] <diplo> Never used it bujji, not sure why you want to use it as it's not overly secure ?
[07:36] <diplo> You'll need to read it from a file or something, I'd still say ssh keys and nothing else
[07:36] <diddledan> diplo: not installed here
[07:37] <mapp> croydon again;( 3x in 5 years
[07:37] <mapp> 3x too much
[07:37] <diddledan> from sshpass package description: "SECURITY NOTE: There is a reason openssh insists that passwords be typed interactively. Passwords are harder to store securely and to pass around securely between programs. If you have not looked into solving your needs using SSH's "public key authentication", perhaps in conjunction with the ssh agent (RTFM ssh-add), please do so before being tempted into using this package."
[07:37] <bujji> diplo:yes,if it stored in file which option should i use for sftp
[07:39] <bujji> diddledan:yup
[07:39] <bujji> but how can i use that one in sftp
[07:39] <diddledan> bujji: it'll just work
[07:39] <bujji> not sharing public key
[07:39] <diddledan> public keys are meant to be shared
[07:40] <diddledan> that's why they're called "public"
[07:41] <bujji> diddledan:i dont want to share the public key how can i give password using options for sftp
[07:41] <diddledan> why don't you want to share a public key?
[07:42] <diplo> Basically it's telling you not to use it in the program itself
[07:42] <bujji> diddledan:other way))
[07:44] <diplo> bujji: Either use that program which i'd say not to or write a shell script to do it for you if you don't want to interact
[07:44] <diplo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5386482/how-to-run-the-sftp-command-with-a-password-from-bash-script
[07:45] <diddledan> it's still "the wrong way" to do it
[07:45] <diplo> First answer
[07:45] <diplo> It sure is :)
[07:47] <bujji> diplo:i will try))
[07:49] <diplo> I still don't recommend it though bujji ssh-keys is what you want, I don't know why you don't want to use it
[08:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <mapps> morning
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning mapps
[09:01] <diddledan> allo brobostigon
[09:02] <diddledan> does anyone have any insight into what the timeline for ubuntu universal apps is (i.e. being able to run click mobile apps on the desktop and vice versa)
[09:03] <brobostigon> hi diddledan
[09:03] <diddledan> I've seen video of someone running libreoffice on a phone - that was a bit... ott methinks :-p
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:04] <diddledan> hiya
[09:04] <davmor2> and the song in my head this morning is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg
[09:05] <diddledan> davmor2: do you get a song per morning?
[09:05] <diddledan> methinks you should start making the morning playlist for us
[09:05] <davmor2> diddledan: Pretty much some mornings it is the same one but on the whole I'll wake up with a chorus rattling around in my head
[09:06] <diddledan> lol
[09:08] <davmor2> diddledan: So over the weekend it was mostly songs from the Blues Brothers as we saw it again Friday Night :)
[09:08] <diddledan> great movie
[09:11] <davmor2> diddledan: My wife has seen it in bits but never the whole film start to finish and wanted to see it, how could I refuse her :)
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Don’t Step On A Bee Day! 😃
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> as they have 30,000 mates who they can count on...
[09:18] <popey> I have never seen Blues Brothers
[09:19] <JamesTait> Really, popey? How come?
[09:20] <davmor2> popey: shame on you, you have a week off and no excuse
[09:20] <shauno> raised by wolves?
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> they broke his watch? :-)
[09:21] <davmor2> diddledan: http://open.spotify.com/user/1142386698/playlist/2nlSxBLEbfKpvDqSDG8hP8 just for you :)
[09:21] <JamesTait> Maybe just didn't fancy it. Musicals aren't everyone's cup of tea.
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> most musicals don't have such great music
[09:22] <JamesTait> Very true.
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> performed by the people who originally made it
[09:30] <DJones> JamesTait: To my horror, my wife loves musicals...Annie, High School Musical, Sound of music etc.......Earplug time
[09:31] <diddledan> I have a penchant for musical theature
[09:31] <diddledan> --u
[09:31] <diddledan> really wanna see wicked
[09:32] <diddledan> I'm not sure what's playing in the westend these days tho
[09:32] <JamesTait> DJones, to be honest, most musicals get on my nerves.
[09:32] <diplo> Rock of Ages was alright
[09:33] <DJones> I don't mind some, Blue brothers etc, but less so the soppy/screaming kid type musicals
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> and most musicals don't have such great car chases...
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> with nazis...
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> illinois nazis...
[10:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:43] <diddledan> that's impressive, windows update. it's installing update 6 of 1
[10:43] <diddledan> 10 of 1
[10:43] <diddledan> 17 of 1
[10:44] <popey> 1e10
[10:44] <diddledan> and now it's actually doing some downloading
[10:51] <foobarry> went on roof to see the flypast
[11:09] <diplo> Anyone recommend a tower server for running 5-6 small linux VM's locally for dev etc
[11:09] <diplo> Bit out of the game now a days
[11:10] <diplo> Just looking at the HP ML range atm
[11:11] <foobarry> even a poweredge 2950 would be OK
[11:11] <foobarry> get one free off a mate
[11:11] <foobarry> although not a tower
[11:11] <diplo> yeah used to use those, although they're very loud :D
[11:11] <diplo> Good servers tbh
[11:12] <diplo> Was thinking a tower with a few drives in raid10 with either kvm or esxi installed
[11:14] <diplo> Just found one for £150, 4GB ram
[11:14] <diplo> 2x146GB disks
[11:15] <foobarry> nice
[11:30] <davmor2> diddledan: that's a bunch of the ones I get on a regular basis to start it off I'll just add the morning song now :)
[11:31] <diddledan> :-p
[11:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: I know it's late I've been in meetings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-tl6GBOBo
[11:51] <JamesTait> Any excuse, davmor2. 😉
[11:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: but eddie rocks :)
[11:53] <JamesTait> I can't argue with that.
[11:54] <davmor2> I'm covered in beeeeeeeeeeees
[12:24] <daftykins> new UPS battery \o/
[12:24] <daftykins> even if i did have to call the courier back because his guy knocked and ran before i could answer - didn't even leave a note
[12:25] <brobostigon> :(
[12:31] <daftykins> ok must power off to fit!
[12:37] <shauno> most of them you don't, if your comfortable with small sparks ;)
[12:41] <diddledan> \o/ ???
[12:41] <daftykins> yay UPS alive \o/
[12:41] <diddledan> \o/ !!!
[12:41] <daftykins> toughest part is dropping those batteries in and twisting the connector around so you can still close the compartment :P
[12:42] <diddledan> my interwebs just went very wonky - my virgin modem just rebooted itself twice
[12:42] <daftykins> i see gb.archive.ubuntu.com is having issues
[12:42] <daftykins> ooh err
[12:43] <diddledan> what's up with gb.archive?
[12:43] <daftykins> i was just getting the odd squirt of 22 bytes per second tops
[12:44] <bigcalm> diddledan: VM may have shot a firmware update at it
[12:44] <daftykins> hmm sorted itself out actually, came down quick just now
[12:57] <diddledan> hmm. butterfly
[12:57] <diddledan> donno where he went but he's in my flat somewhere
[12:57] <foobarry> check the butter
[12:57] <popey> my cat likes butter
[12:58] <popey> if we leave the butter dish out, I'll come back to it with the lid off and cat tonge lick-marks all over it
[12:58] <popey> then vomit about 5 hours later
[12:58] <popey> stupid cat
[12:58] <foobarry> why the vomit
[12:58] <foobarry> they aren't exactly lactose intolerant
[12:58] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/mVMyQ
[12:58] <daftykins> new bike bits \o/
[12:59] <shauno> mmmmm bits
[12:59] <daftykins> :D
[13:00] <daftykins> we had to buy a special part to take one of my cranks off
[13:00] <daftykins> because of the hollowtech... tech
[13:00] <daftykins> but mm, very pleased - bike feels like new again
[13:02] <daftykins> so nice and shiny ;_;
[13:17] <davmor2> popey: don't leave it uncovered then :P
[13:17] <popey> it isnt
[13:17] <popey> he pushes the lid off
[13:17] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[13:17] <popey> he's a cheeky little sod
[13:18] <popey> I even put it on a high shelf out of reach
[13:18] <popey> so i thought
[13:18] <davmor2> daftykins: very nice is that an oversized large cog it looks bigger than normal
[13:19] <davmor2> popey: http://open.spotify.com/track/3JyXdfM541SDijbzUQxk4R rave time ;)  I want to hear you woop woop from here :D
[13:26] <TwistedLucidity> Urf, I need to get the bike in for a service. How you finding the build quality on the Specialized daftykins?
[13:37] <daftykins> well i have two of them, but they're both a pretty penny - so i'd hope so :D
[13:58] <daftykins> apparently the UK 'buntu mirrors have issues!
[14:03] <popey> daftykins: can you be more specific? :)
 daftykins: we're currently investigating an issue effecting our edge networks in the UK.
[14:04] <popey> nice
[14:04] <daubers> sounds edgey
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> release the pigeon backups!! \o/
[14:05] <daftykins> sudo apt update --by-pigeon
[14:07] <shauno> you've already given up on sheep?
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> well sheep don't do well in the summer as they instinctively head north were it's cooler...
[14:09] <daftykins> so one might say that the sheep would be for my 'send' comms to England and pigeon would be 'receive'
[14:10] <shauno> that seems inefficient.  I'd look for a french mirror so the pidgeon takes the request, not the body :)
[14:11] <daftykins> we are pretty well peered with France :(
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> we could move all the shearing sheds to the north and the sheep would then naturally head south afterwards...
[14:14] <davmor2> Omar Sharif is dead :(  man this year sucks
[14:17] <daftykins> who is that?
[14:18] <foobarry> i think he played bridge
[14:18] <DJones> He rode a camel
[14:20] <foobarry> he had a computer game
[14:21] <foobarry> does firefox have a task manager
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> he played a great spy in one of the pink panther movies
[14:22] <daftykins> foobarry: don't think so, things aren't per process yet
[14:30] <foobarry> 30% cpu and 30% memz
[14:39] <Azelphur> I'm starting to think monitor upgrade day is arriving...
[14:39] <Azelphur> Getting real tempted to buy 3 of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMH-A399U-UHD-39-5-3840X2160-16-9-4K-LED-Monitor-60Hz-DP1-2-HDMI2-0-/221797445528?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a4286f98
[14:42] <davmor2> Azelphur: wait for prime day on the 15th
[14:43] <Azelphur> davmor2: yea probably should
[14:43] <Azelphur> davmor2: that said, I believe that's the best panel money can buy right now, so anything prime day would have to be substantially cheaper
[14:47] <shauno> 3 ... 39" screens?
[14:48] <Azelphur> yes
[14:48] <shauno> do you wear sunscreen?
[14:48] <daftykins> weird size
[14:48] <daftykins> i don't even like a clients 30" Dell @ 2560x1600
[14:49] <shauno> I dunno, 39.5 is almost bang on 1 meter
[14:51] <Azelphur> well I currently run on 4 x 27" 2k
[14:53] <daftykins> presumably that is IPS
[14:54] <Azelphur> think so
[14:56] <diplo> Telegram under a ddos attack for anyone having issues
[14:57] <diplo> https://twitter.com/telegram/status/619515927353278464
[14:57] <daftykins> wat
[14:57] <daftykins> oh
[14:57] <diplo> Started 5 hours ago in India/East Asia
[14:57] <diplo> Now global
[15:12]  * arsenip_ prods daftykins
[15:12] <daftykins> oh 'lo
[15:12] <daftykins> how do?
[15:12] <arsenip> howdy :) good! you?
[15:13] <daftykins> yeah not bad at all thanks ^_^
[15:13] <daftykins> all the better for having my lovely bike fixed up and a new UPS battery in today \o/
[15:13] <daftykins> just asking ebuyer for the VAT refund
[15:14] <arsenip> hah cheeky
[15:14] <arsenip> i need to ring apple really and ask for some discount post-purchase
[15:14] <arsenip> not sure i cba
[15:14] <daftykins> they do that o0
[15:14] <arsenip> if you're a big company, they do
[15:15] <arsenip> i can just pretend.
[15:15] <arsenip> (work)
[15:15] <daftykins> ah har
[15:29] <arsenip>
[15:41] <arsenip>
[15:41] <arsenip> w
[15:41] <arsenip> oops.
[16:34] <mapps> hi all
[16:37] <daftykins> lo
[16:38] <mapps> gonna go to NY in november
[16:38] <mapps> just to work out how
[16:43] <daftykins> go on holiday there just to work out how you get there? :)
[16:44] <mapps> no i mean
[16:44] <mapps> do i fly gib -> uk uk-ny
[16:45] <mapps> or taxi to Malaga (£100)
[16:49] <daftykins> O_O
[17:24] <arsenip> you're in gib?
[17:24] <arsenip> you can prols fly to madrid -> ny?
[17:25] <arsenip> flying via heathrow is pretty pricey, heathrow has some of the highest landing taxes iirc
[17:25] <arsenip> most of my flyboy mates (pilots for oneworld) always visit the UK by flying to holland first, cant exactly remmeber why
[17:59] <davmor2> mapps: gib frankfurt newyork
[18:03] <bigcalm> Hey davmor2, guess what?
[18:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: You got a job in London?
[18:03] <bigcalm> I'm stiff working :)
[18:03] <bigcalm> stiff?
[18:03] <bigcalm> Still!
[18:03] <bigcalm> ffs
[18:04] <bigcalm> Na, happy where I am.   The thing is if every encryption algorithm has to have a backdoor it will be exploited by the hackers out there just look at the us government
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> they tried it will clipper chip in 90s
[19:47] <davmor2> you'd only have to scare him with that and he'll uturn
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so no more ssh!
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I hope so.. for everyone's sake
[19:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I can see an adviser getting fired....well moved to another department :)
[19:55] <bigcalm> What did daftykins do?
[20:04] <diddledan> :-o
[20:04] <diddledan> bigcalm: no ideaz
[20:07] <diddledan> it's only a ban from here by the looks - he's still talking in #ubuntu
[20:09] <diddledan> o_O
[20:09] <diddledan> and unbanned again by the looks
[20:10] <diddledan> no idea what that was about
[20:11] <daftykins> weren't me, guv
[20:12] <diddledan> :-p
[20:15] <diddledan> daftykins: are you running winpho? if so there's a new build for win10pho toady
[20:16] <daftykins> nah still clunking along on a Nexus 4 :)
[20:16] <diddledan> and.. it's build 10166 - the desktop fast ring is also currently on 10166
[20:16] <diddledan> PARITY!
[20:16] <daftykins> ah yeah i didn't do that yet
[20:16] <daftykins> tbh at this stage i only boot that spare machine to update
[20:16] <diddledan> lol
[20:16] <diddledan> I'm running win10 permanently now
[20:17] <diddledan> have been for some time
[20:17] <daftykins> i'm a little undecided about jumping on the final release bandwagon too quick, i'll want access to a 7 machine if i need to guide someone through something
[20:18] <diddledan> yeah. might be worth getting a vmware or vbox setup running with an activated win7 that you can snapshot and rollback to be able to be able to upgrade many times
[20:26] <daftykins> i definitely don't believe in upgrades so i'm hoping to get a nice ISO, murder the 8.1 flash drive i have then do the 'keep nothing' installs :)
[20:49] <MarkDude>  /join #fronteers
[20:50] <daftykins> whoops
[20:57] <daftykins> diddledan: https://i.imgur.com/PR3lz0g.jpg
[20:59] <diddledan> awwww <3
[21:00] <daftykins> hmm i wonder if a client remembered to bring her old 2010 macbook pro home from Spain
[21:01] <daftykins> still got mavericks on that sucker, shouldn't too long now for El Capitan eh?
[21:01] <daftykins> +be
[21:02] <diddledan> went public beta yesterday
[21:02] <daftykins> indeedy!
[21:03] <daftykins> i'd almost be curious about the new MS Office 2016 for her, but she has that Lenovo X1 Carbon now, so i think this old MBP is going to her sister
[21:28] <MarkDude> Channel /joins are not an issue. It's the msg identify things that can be painful
[21:29] <MarkDude> Or even worse when we see a person obviously type a password in the wrong window.
[21:30] <MarkDude> Copy past is another reason to have two machines to use, many oops there :D
[21:33] <daftykins> eh, it's what status windows are for
[21:34] <MarkDude> True.
[23:11] <daftykins> diddledan: installed the new build and updated my xbox one, i can test the video streaming feature now :D
[23:11] <daftykins> i'm sure lovely wired gigabit will report favourably
[23:16] <diddledan> \o/
[23:16] <diddledan> 19 days till release!
[23:26] <daftykins> :D
[23:26] <daftykins> weird, when you run it, all it says is "If you can, connect your PC and Xbox One with a network cable"


[00:03] <Sarvatt> oh hmm the nouveau module didnt even get loaded that boot after rebuilding the initrd
[00:05] <Sarvatt> lost the module -- ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nouveau
[00:08] <Sarvatt> Warning! Cannot do version sanity checking because multiple drm.ko
[00:08] <Sarvatt> modules were found in kernel 2.6.32-8-generic.
[00:08] <Sarvatt> Warning! Cannot do version sanity checking because multiple ttm.ko
[00:08] <Sarvatt> modules were found in kernel 2.6.32-8-generic.
[00:08] <Sarvatt> Warning! Cannot do version sanity checking because multiple drm_kms_helper.ko
[00:08] <Sarvatt> modules were found in kernel 2.6.32-8-generic.
[00:10] <Sarvatt> it all works now RAOF
[00:10] <Sarvatt> had to reinstall nouveau-kernel-source
[00:12] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nouveau.txt -- logs if you want them
[00:13] <Sarvatt> accel is working as is mesa again with the firmware ya linked
[00:13] <Sarvatt> afk now, bayonetta calling me to play it :)
[03:01] <Sarvatt> tormod: when you read this log, what do you want to do about xserver in edgers? video input and extension abi's all just got bumped..
[09:00] <Duke`> grrrr freeze again >:<
[09:00] <Duke`> reverted back to libdrm*20091125*


[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> Did the one starting the suggestion for the renaming join this channel by any chance?
[19:32] <mhall119> renaming what?
[19:41] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; this project. Aren't you subscribed to the mailing list?
[19:48] <mhall119> maybe
[19:49] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone ?
[19:49]  * MrChrisDruif checks
[19:49] <mhall119> I should probably make better mail filters, rather than dumping everything to the 'Launchpad' label
[19:49] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[19:50] <mhall119> subscribed
[19:50] <mhall119> why a rename?
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> Some Wayne suggested this project to be renamed in favor of Ubuntu Mobile
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> And also put Ubuntu Tablet underneath it
[19:51] <MrChrisDruif> Merging the two
[19:51] <MrChrisDruif> I'd sooner suggest merging Tablet and normal desktop
[19:52] <mhall119> I think your idea is closer to the user requirements for such devices
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> I've said it before and I'll say it again; Unity as is only needs refinements for touch enabled devices
[20:17] <MrChrisDruif> I'll reply to them with my opinions...
[20:17] <MrChrisDruif> They shouldn't waste their (and my) energy on the naming of the project
[22:09] <imnichol> Someone on http://planet.ubuntu.com mentioned that it seems that people like two-word names, and I tend to agree
[22:09] <imnichol> Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Phone, Ubuntu Tablet, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu TV
[22:10] <imnichol> It's a good system, helps branding while also giving information about what the thing in question does.
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> *Just* Phone might be anything
[22:12] <imnichol> Sorry, I don't understand what that sentence means
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol; I'm going to do a thorough respond to the mailing-list activity of today
[22:13] <imnichol> I woke up with like 40 messages total, I think maybe 10 of those were from the phone mailing list
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> Well...if this project was call *Phone* (or *Mobile*) that could be...anything related to phones. Now we're clearly linked to Ubuntu
[22:14] <imnichol> Yes
[22:19] <mika___> hi there
[22:19] <mika___> just returned from ubuntu engineering rally in budapest
[22:19] <mika___> noticed the mailing list discussion as well
[22:21] <mika___> so… from canonical design perspective (at least) the Ubuntu Phone is a user and parter facing term
[22:22] <mika___> technically mobile platforms are very similar, perhaps identical even
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> mika___; whether or not how canonical views it, tablet is more desktop than phone in my eyes
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> Current Unity is usable on a tablet, I only heard there are some improvements to be made apparently to make it more "Precise"?


[23:10] <gerlowskija> Is anyone around familiar with adt-run?  I've got a quick syntax question that I couldn't puzzle out from the man page.


[12:05] <fabbione> hey tmarble
[12:05] <tmarble> ciao fabbione!
[12:05] <fabbione> you are very early today
[12:05] <tmarble> well, i am in the UK after all :)
[12:06] <fabbione> oh
[12:06] <tmarble> so, not that early
[12:06] <fabbione> ah right you mentioned that
[12:06] <fabbione> nope..
[12:06] <fabbione> :)
[12:06] <fabbione> now i noticed the ip


[00:17] <sambagirl> i installed mate desktop but i cant figure out how to activate it in this new build
[00:17] <sambagirl> 16.04
[00:21] <sambagirl> well i guess i have to remove xfce then mate will work? well i'll just do it.
[02:01] <`{^v^}> sambagirl, clck the Ubuntu Studio icon in the upper right corner of the login screen
[02:01] <`{^v^}> change it to whatever DE you want
[02:01] <`{^v^}> just tried out Pantheon n broke stuff  :P
[03:06] <studio-user288> join aleb
[03:06] <studio-user288> join test
[03:06] <studio-user288> hi
[03:06] <studio-user288> ?
[03:06] <studio-user288> ???
[03:08] <cfhowlett> proper command in /join #channelnamehere
[03:37] <Sevish> I've never used ubuntu studio. anybody using it for audio work and what kind of latency are you getting?
[03:50] <Cigam> Hey all. I was wondering what is the username and password to login to the live version of the 16.04.1 release?
[04:04] <`{^v^}> i dont remember.  try username: ubuntu Password: (no password)
[04:04] <`{^v^}> username might be live-session-user
[04:05] <krytarik> It's "ubuntu-studio" - but they're gone already.
[04:06] <`{^v^}> didnt see em go
[04:06] <`{^v^}> thannk you
[04:06] <krytarik> Sure.
[05:03] <studio-user080> this is a test of this
[05:03] <studio-user080> ok.
[05:04] <studio-user080> good night.
[05:19] <sakrecoer> sambagirl: you should be able to chose which DE to use in the menu in the upper-left corner when the login prompt appears.
[05:19] <sakrecoer> upper-right..
[05:20] <sakrecoer> nice `{^v^} had ya back :)