[00:01] <psusi> what do you mean?
[00:03] <evaluate> psusi, well, I downloaded the files from launchpad (dsc, orig.tar.gz and the diff) and got the same error like in the ftbfs. I think I know where the problem might be, just not sure how to make the changes to the source file that is affected...
[00:03] <psusi> use a text editor?
[00:04] <psusi> or do you mean what is the proper way to package the changes to send upstream?
[00:05] <evaluate> psusi, no. I currently have only those 3 files. Do I need to unpack them, apply the diff, make the needed changes and then repackage with debuild -S ?
[00:06] <psusi> well the old way of doing things was to run apt-get source which would not only download those files, but unpack them for you
[00:06] <psusi> but these days it seems like everyone is using bzr
[00:07] <psusi> if you want to do it the old way, then if you already downloaded the files, run dpkg-source -x to unpack iirc
[00:07] <evaluate> well, it seems like I did it wrong then, I just wget'ed them from launchpad :p
[00:07] <psusi> best to use bzr to checkout these days
[00:08] <psusi> then most packages use quilt to track any changes to the upstream sources you make
[00:17] <evaluate> psusi, would I go through the same steps after downloading from bzr that I would go through if I would do a patch for a debian package for example?
[00:20] <psusi> evaluate, if you checkout the bzr branch, then you get the current source tree and the history with it...  you can then modify it, commit, then push it back to lp and request a merge.  If you download the tarball, you have to unpack it ( and apply the debian diff ) to get the source, modify it, build a new source package, which creates a new debian diff, then use debdiff to generate a diff between the two debian packages, and attach that to a bug report
[00:20] <psusi>  for someone to merge
[00:20] <psusi> in either case, if you make changes to the upstream source, you will need to use quilt to track those changes, assuming the package uses quilt, which most do
[00:20] <psusi> upstream source as opposed to things in the debian/ directory
[00:21] <evaluate> psusi, well, I downloaded the source files using bzr, as you suggested. I wouldn't want to push anything until I know that the problem is solved (and then I'd still probably better mail the maintainer)
[00:21] <achiang> hm. the user chooser at the gdm login window is gone on my lucid machine. anyone know where to start investigating on that?
[00:22] <psusi> evaluate, well then make sure it's using quilt, and then start a new quilt patch and make your changes
[00:23] <psusi> and don't forget to dch -i
[00:23] <evaluate> psusi, ok, thank you!
[00:59] <psusi> if bzr bd fails to find an upstream tarball, how do you recover from this?  I don't even care about building a source package, I just want a binary to test
[01:04] <soren> psusi: Do you have the tarball yourself?
[01:05] <soren> psusi: If so, just put it somewhere where bzr bd looks for it, like ../build-area.
[01:16] <udienz> Hi. i want to ask about merging. nginx have new patch new patch to handle "one_addr" bug. debian and ubuntu doesn't have this patch
[01:16] <udienz> can i proposed merge rather than sync from debian?
[01:17] <udienz> http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx/2010-December/024235.html
[02:23] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Thanks.
[03:24] <psusi> soren, no, I don't have the original tarball because there isn't one.. it's pulled straight from bzr.. grub2 version 1.99~20101126-1ubuntu3
[03:55] <psusi> hrm... looks like bzr bd --export-upstream should do the trick, but it doesn't seem to do a thing
[04:25] <ebroder> udienz: Around?
[04:25] <udienz> egroder: yup
[04:25] <udienz> ebroder: yup
[04:26] <ebroder> udienz: Hey, looking at your tpb merge again. Do you understand why we're complaining that you have "(LP: #12345)" in the changelog?
[04:27] <udienz> ebroder: no
[04:27] <udienz> i'm not understand
[04:28] <ebroder> udienz: In the first debdiff you attached, you had in the changelog "* Merge from debian unstable (Closes LP: #690927)"
[04:28] <ebroder> My complaint was not with the actual bug number you referenced, but with the way you referenced it
[04:28] <ebroder> Does that make sense?
[04:29] <udienz> ebroder: ah... my mistake.. sorry. i'll make anotehr debdiff again
[04:29] <ebroder> udienz: Don't bother
[04:29] <udienz> *another
[04:29] <ebroder> I can fix it up. I just wanted to make sure you understood the issue
[04:30] <ebroder> udienz: The rest of the diff is much better now
[04:30] <udienz> ebroder: :) thanks
[04:30] <ebroder> udienz: I'm going to do some work on the changelog - you understated what the "remaining changes" are in a few cases - but then I'll sponsor it
[04:31] <ebroder> udienz: For instance, you said that the Ubuntu change in debian/init.d was to initialize LSB information, but if you actually look at the diff, that file is completely new in the Ubuntu version
[04:33] <udienz> ebroder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545152/ like this?
[04:34] <ebroder> udienz: I think it may be clearer if I demonstrate. Give me a moment to write the changelog as I would have liked to see it
[04:38] <ebroder> udienz: Actually, looking closer, I believe I see more problems than just the changelog
[04:39] <udienz> ebroder: about what?
[04:43] <udienz> ebroder: i will try again to fix it if you want
[04:43] <ebroder> udienz: One moment, please. I need a minute to look at this more closely
[04:43] <udienz> sorry :) i'll wait
[04:45] <ebroder> udienz: It looks like there were several Ubuntu changes that you dropped without explanation
[04:45] <ebroder> udienz: For instance, in 0.6.4-2.3ubuntu3, we added libxinerama-dev and dpatch to the build-dependencies in debian/control, and you dropped that change
[04:46] <ebroder> udienz: You also dropped debian/patches/02_relibtoolize.dpatch
[04:47] <ebroder> udienz: You also dropped the changes to debian/rules which caused the patches in debian/patches to be applied
[04:47] <ebroder> udienz: You also dropped the "#DEBHELPER#" in debian/tpb.postrm and debian/tpb.preinst
[04:47] <ebroder> udienz: And you dropped the environment variable change in debian/tpb.xsession
[04:48] <ebroder> udienz: And you dropped a substantial change to src/cfg.c
[04:49] <ebroder> udienz: Oh wait, forget that last bit. Looks like might it's been incorporated upstream?
[04:49] <ebroder> udienz: But if that was the case, it should be documented in the changelog as well
[04:51] <udienz> ebroder: okay, i will try to fixing it
[04:55] <udienz> ebroder: why we neew #DEBHELPER# in debian/tpb.postrm and debian/tpb.preinst? seems like it commented and will be ignored
[04:55] <udienz> s/neew/need/
[04:56] <ebroder> udienz: "#DEBHELPER#" is a special placeholder. debhelper scripts use that to add code to the maintainer scripts when needed. In this case, dh_installinit adds code to the postrm and preinst
[04:56] <ebroder> udienz: It's not actually a comment
[04:57] <udienz> owh..
[04:57] <udienz> okay
[05:00] <udienz> debroder: btw, i'm not change debian/tpb.preinst,  debian/tpb.preinst only have one "debian/tpb.preinst".
[05:00] <ebroder> udienz: I don't understand
[05:01] <ebroder> udienz: Oh, I see. It already has a #DEBHELPER# placeholder. Yes, that's correct- there should only be one
[05:01] <udienz> debroder: sorry i mean debian/tpb.preinst only have one "#DEBHELPER#".
[06:33] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Reviewing dolphin-emu license, I found some files licensed under the openssl license, wheras the fulle project is under GLP-2. I read about incompatibility between both: how can I avoid it (if any)?
[06:36] <fabrice_sp> the copyright file is there: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/dolphin-emu-1012132339/dolphin-emu-2.0+svn6571/debian/copyright if anyone is willing to have a look
[07:54] <udienz> ebroder: done, ready to review again
[07:59] <ebroder> udienz: Ok, great. I'll look in a moment
[08:00] <ebroder> udienz: Did you re-sub sponsors? I don't have the bug number handy
[08:00] <geser> fabrice_sp: I know that some GPL software has an OpenSSL linking exception to allow linking with openssl, don't know if something like that would help here too (I'd suggest asking #debian-legal)
[08:01] <geser> I meant the debian-legal mailing list
[08:01] <udienz> ebroder: yup
[08:01] <udienz> bug 690927
[08:14] <ebroder> udienz: This is an improvement. I still have a few more issues
[08:15] <ebroder> udienz: First, I don't think you need to export DH_COMPAT=3 in the debian/rules file. I'm not sure why that would have ever been there
[08:16] <ebroder> udienz: And for what it's worth, this package doesn't really look like it's been well maintained, so I don't blame you for stumbling with putting it back together correctly
[08:18] <ebroder> You added back some code involving devfs back to debian/tpb.postinst, as well as installing some files debian/rules. We haven't used devfs for longer than I've been paying attention
[08:18] <udienz> ebroder: agree, i spend 2 two days for this package
[08:18] <ebroder> udienz: I think we're getting close
[08:26] <ebroder> udienz: By the way, have you been building and testing this package? Do you have an IBM computer to see if it's working?
[08:27] <udienz> ebroder: yup, i have building this package, but i dob't have IBM Computer
[08:27] <ebroder> udienz: I'm confused because it doesn't look like the patches in debian/patches are getting applied - and they haven't been for a while - so I'm trying to figure out why they're needed
[08:30] <ebroder> udienz: Yeah. I'm pretty sure the patches in debian/patches were ever used, so I think you can remove debian/patches as well as the quilt stuff in debian/control and debian/rules
[08:32] <udienz> ebrader: hm... wait i will at .deb from pbuilder
[08:32] <udienz> *look at .deb
[08:35] <udienz> ebroder: i got this message from first debuild. i think you right about dpatch "W: tpb source: dpatch-build-dep-but-no-patch-list"
[08:36] <ebroder> udienz: I know I'm right about dpatch not getting used. What I have no clue about is how the package has managed to stay like this for 4.5 years
[08:36] <ebroder> I also have no clue about what those patches were intended to accomplish, or if they were ever necessary in the first place
[08:38] <udienz> ebroder: hm... so i must remove debian/patches and remove line at debian/rules about depatch?
[08:38] <udienz> *dpatch
[08:39] <ebroder> udienz: Yes, as well as removing the change about "patch-stamp" in debian/rules, and removing the build-dep on dpatch in debian/control
[08:52] <fabrice_sp> geser, thanks. Will ask there
[08:53] <udienz> ebroder: done, a patch has been submited
[08:54] <ebroder> udienz: I also asked you to drop the devfs changes
[08:54] <ebroder> in debian/rules and debian/tpb.postinst
[08:54] <ebroder> And also debian/control (the dependency on makedev)
[08:55] <udienz> ebroder: owh i see.. i think i must remove one to avoid duplicating
[08:56] <ebroder> udienz: I'm starting to actually wonder if this package can be synced instead of merged
[08:57] <ebroder> udienz: Because the only real changes left are debian/init.d and debian/tpb.xsession
[08:57] <ebroder> udienz: And if you read the comments on bug #146987, it doesn't sound like the debian/init.d script is doing the right thing
[08:57] <ebroder> udienz: But it's hard for me to be sure without a laptop that tpb works on
[08:57] <udienz> ebroder: but referring from bug #368546 debian doesn't have init.d
[08:58] <ebroder> udienz: Right, Ubuntu added the init script. I think that might have been wrong. Or maybe it used to be right but is wrong now
[09:01] <udienz> ebroder: i have an idea, we can ask bug report to try this package with init script, if everything is okay we can merge
[09:01] <ebroder> udienz: No, you're looking at this backwards. The goal should always be to sync if we can, not merge
[09:02] <ebroder> udienz: One minute, let me pull my thoughts together on this
[09:02] <udienz> ok
[09:04] <ebroder> udienz: Ok, here's what I'm thinking:
[09:04] <ebroder> udienz: We've been working on reducing the number of Ubuntu-specific changes to tpb
[09:04] <ebroder> At this point, we're down to a short list of changes:
[09:05] <ebroder> (1) debian/init.d, which we completely added on our own
[09:05] <ebroder> (2) debian/control, we add libxinerama-dev to the build-depends
[09:05] <ebroder> (3) debian/tpb.xsession, we make "$TPB -d" into "LANG=C $TPB -d"
[09:07] <ebroder> (1) does 2 things at startup. It loads the nvram kernel module, and then runs tpb -d
[09:07] <ebroder> Running tpb -d is definitely a bug - see the comments on #146987 - tpb is supposed to run as part of the user's session, not as a background daemon
[09:07] <ebroder> And you shouldn't have to load a kernel module to detect a piece of hardware. udev should be doing that for us
[09:08] <ebroder> So I don't think the init.d script is doing anything useful. But I can't be sure of that until I find a IBM ThinkPad and make sure that the nvram module gets loaded *without* tpb being installed
[09:08] <ebroder> As for (2), there's no documentation in the changelog of why libxinerama-dev was added to the build dependencies
[09:09] <ebroder> And as for (3), that change was made because "transcoded fonts are currently not available in ubuntu"
[09:09] <ebroder> I don't really know what "transcoded fonts" are, but there's a xfonts-100dpi-transcoded package, which sounds like a transcoded font to me
[09:14] <udienz> ebroder: okay, following list of changes, this packages must be sync instead of merge
[09:14] <ebroder> udienz: That's what I think, but I'm not entirely sure
[09:14] <udienz> one reason (maybe ~10 minute ago) to merge is init script, but you are right
[09:15] <ebroder> udienz: If the nvram kernel module gets loaded automatically *without* tpb installed, then the init script is unnecessary
[09:17] <udienz> ebroder: nvram loaded automatically in my laptop
[09:17] <udienz> $ modinfo nvram, i got information about nvram
[09:18] <ebroder> udienz: modinfo shows information about all modules, not just those that are loaded. You need to run "lsmod" and look for nvram
[09:18] <ebroder> But you said you don't have a IBM ThinkPad, so you might not need the nvram module on your machine
[09:32] <ebroder> udienz: In any case, it's getting late here in California, so I'm goign to go to bed. If you can find out whether the nvram module gets loaded automatically on older IBM ThinkPads, that's all we need to know at this point to figure out if it's a merge or a sync
[09:33] <ebroder> udienz: I'm going to unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors again for now since this isn't ready for sponsorship yet
[09:33] <udienz> ebroder: okay, Good night.. hope you got night dream. i'll find information about vnram
[09:53] <fabrice_sp> lfaraone, I saw you commented on dolphin-emu RFS (http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2010/12/msg00081.html). This package is also in REVU (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/dolphin-emu): appart from the GPL3+ / GPL2 issue, is there more?
[09:53] <fabrice_sp> hmmm. wrong time for that question. Will try later.
[11:16] <djeenan> hello
[11:24] <fabrice_sp> djeenan, hi
[11:40] <fabrice_sp> exit
[11:40] <fabrice_sp> oops
[12:40] <cdbs> bdrung: ping, out of curiosity, what exactly was wrong in my commit?
[12:40] <bdrung> cdbs: look at the diff
[12:41] <cdbs> bdrung: it looks all fine here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/832
[12:41] <cdbs> except for the last hunk, which was again not a big problem
[12:41] <bdrung> cdbs: tabs, trailing tabs
[12:42] <bdrung> cdbs: you forgot to document --buildresult in the man page
[12:42] <cdbs> bdrung: isn't that understood in the last section of the manpage?
[12:43] <cdbs> okay, I got what you meant
[12:43]  * cdbs gets to work
[12:46] <cdbs> bdrung: does cowbuilder-dist support --buildresult? or should I mention in the manpage: Pbuilder-dist only
[12:52] <cdbs> done
[13:07] <bdrung> cdbs: dunno
[13:07] <bdrung> cdbs: does pbuilder-dist can be run without sudo?
[13:10] <bdrung> ebroder: work to do: bug #691862 -> 4 bugs against backportpackage
[13:13] <cdbs> bdrung: yes, it can be run without sudo
[13:13] <cdbs> infact, I run it without sudo always
[13:14] <cdbs> it runs itself as sudo when needed
[13:14] <bdrung> k
[14:50] <gusnan> I am upstream of a package, and also maintain it in debian - Now I see that the powerpc build fails in Ubuntu - but I get no log or anything - what is the problem? the page where I would expect a build log just says "Failed to build".
[14:51] <evaluate> gusnan, what's the name of the package?
[14:51] <gusnan> evaluate, scitepoj
[14:51] <gusnan> evaluate, sorry, sciteproj
[14:51] <gusnan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sciteproj/0.3.22-1/+build/2099651
[14:55] <ari-tczew> gusnan: ask on #launchpad
[14:58] <gusnan> ari-tczew, thanks
[15:35] <popey> I have what is possibly a silly question. I have configured squid-deb-proxy on a box on my lan, and squid-deb-proxy-client on my desktop, this works fine, i can see the packages being cached on the server.
[15:36] <popey> however when i use pbuilder-dist, it doesn't use the squid-deb proxy, I assume because the pbuilder doesn't know about squid-deb-proxy ?
[15:36] <popey> how can I get pbuilder to use my lovely proxy?
[15:37] <RainCT> popey: you can  pbuilder-foo login --save-after-login   and change sources.list in there
[15:38] <popey> hmm
[15:39] <popey> can i force a package to be inside the pbuilder?
[15:39] <popey> like squid-deb-proxy-client ?
[15:39] <tumbleweed> popey: pbuilder has an --extrapackages option
[15:40] <popey> ah
[15:40]  * popey reads man pages
[15:40] <popey> thanks
[15:40] <tumbleweed> personally, I use E-series hooks to install things I want present (like pkgbinarymangler, in Ubuntu pbuilders)
[16:02] <hakermania> Hey...
[16:28] <lfaraone> fabrice_sp: the issue with dolphin is that it links to NVIDIA's Cg in violation of the GPL, and that there are GPLv2 - GPLv3 licensing incompatibilities.
[16:28] <lfaraone> fabrice_sp: Right now, its (probably) not legal to distribute dolphin in binary form at all. (so multiverse isn't a way out)
[16:28] <gusnan_> I got the suggestion to ask a motu to trigger a retry of my build - Could somebody please take the time? This is the powerpc build of the package sciteproj I am talking about.(I am sorry, I am not familiar with the proper routines regarding this stuff.)
[16:29] <lfaraone> fabrice_sp: the guy in Debian is trying to re-write the parts of dolphin which use cg.
[16:31] <lfaraone> fabrice_sp: replacing wiiuse is trivial, there are libs in debuntu that do the same thing.
[16:31] <BlackZ> gusnan_: done
[16:31] <gusnan_> BlackZ, Thank you!
[17:03] <fabrice_sp> lfaraone, thanks for the answer! About cg, the toolkit has already a dependency in multiverse (ogre-contrib), so that's why I thought this part wouldn't apply to Ubuntu
[17:04] <fabrice_sp> glennricster, did you see my comment about Debian, and the previous comment of lfaraone ?
[17:05] <glennricster> About cg?
[17:06] <glennricster> I have talked to lfaraone before, so I had some idea this was coming.
[17:12] <fabrice_sp> glennricster, and about someone working on the packaging in Debian
[17:12] <hakermania> Emm, may i have an English Question? What is more correct to say? "Ever notice how ugly he seems to be?" or "Ever noticed how ugly he seems to be?"
[17:16] <danohuiginn> hakermania: IMO they're both fine. Think of them as short for "[Did you] ever notice..." and "[Have you] ever noticed..."
[17:16] <hakermania> Oh cool, thx
[17:24] <hakermania> If any reviewer has time, please have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch
[17:24] <hakermania> Thx in advance!
[17:48] <hakermania> Ey, guys, how many MOTUs are there?
[17:49] <Rhonda> launchpad.net/~motu says 153
[18:49] <Leon_Wallch_Deve> hi... when i go and click about ubuntu it says: You are using Ubuntu 11.04
[18:49] <Leon_Wallch_Deve>                 - the Natty Narwhal - released in April 2011 and supported until October 2012. And the problem is that now i cannot install a deb file because of an error.. How can i fix this?
[18:49] <Leon_Wallch_Deve> i really do not know why it says 11.04
[18:56] <Rhonda> Potential because you have put natty into your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[18:57] <Rhonda> Downgrade is not supported and pretty troublesome. I suggest either a re-install with maverick or live with having the development release and work around the trouble you have.
[18:57] <Rhonda> Unless you describe your error noone will be able to help you. And actually, #ubuntu might be more suiting for these kind of questions, me thinks. :)
[19:00] <Leon_Wallch_Deve> error: Requires installation of untrusted packages: The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[19:00] <Leon_Wallch_Deve> yes i asked also the #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[19:05] <Leon_Wallch_Deve> ok fixed :-D
[20:19] <glennricster> fabrice_sp:  Are you around?
[20:28] <fabrice_sp> glennricster, yes
[20:29] <glennricster> If I am interpreting things correctly, you are saying that if we kill the wiiuse licensing we can get dolphin-emu into Ubuntu regardless of the NVidia Cg issue?
[20:30] <fabrice_sp> this is what I think, yes, but this has to be confirmed, as we already have a package that depends on cg
[20:31] <glennricster> The code that we have licensed under the wiiuse license in dolphin-emu is no longer the upstream wiiuse code.  So it seems justifiable that we could put that code under the dolphin-emu license and rename things.  The upstream wiiuse does not seem to be maintained either.
[20:33] <fabrice_sp> not sure about this one
[20:34] <fabrice_sp> I think you should ask to the copyright owner
[20:35] <glennricster> If you base your code on something that is done in another library you don't have to put the license of the other library on it.  Perhaps state that you borrowed code ideas from that library, but you don't need the license or copyright.  This is done all the time with open source code.
[20:35] <ScottK> glennricster: That is incorrect.
[20:36] <glennricster> Why is that incorrect?
[20:36] <ScottK> It is often done, but done wrongly.
[20:36] <ScottK> If you copy code from another library it's license comes with it.
[20:36] <ScottK> The only way you can change the license is if the copyright holder authorizes it.
[20:37] <glennricster> I am not talking about copying code from another library.  I am talking about using the code snippets or really ideas from another library.
[20:37] <ScottK> (in some cases permission is embedded in the actual license such as saying code is licenses until GPL V2 and later versions, but that's rather the exception)
[20:37] <ebroder> glennricster: "using code snippets" is copying code
[20:38] <ScottK> If you do a complete reimplementation of concepts then it's OK.
[20:38] <glennricster> ScottK:  That is what I am talking about.
[20:38] <ScottK> glennricster: OK.  Then I guess I misunderstood what you meant by "base your code on something".
[20:39] <glennricster> If you look at the wiiuse code that we have, it already pretty much is a reimplemantation of what wiiuse was upstream.  There are just a few things that we would need to change to make it not at all copied code.
[20:40] <ari-tczew> bdrung: could on look on package xmp, whether can I drop changes to disable build audacious?
[20:40] <ari-tczew> package built fine without these changes
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, and about cg? dolphin-emu is linked again nvidia-cg-toolkit, but is GPL
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> and according to lfaraone, this is not compatible
[20:41] <ScottK> GPL linking against non-GPL compatible libraries is just plain not distributable.
[20:43] <fabrice_sp> ok. glennricster ^
[20:45] <glennricster> So we will have to implement GLSL to get dolphin-emu in?
[20:46] <bdrung> ari-tczew: ?
[20:56] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I asked you because you are familiar with xmp. doko has added a change to disable build audacious plugin in xmp package.
[20:58] <ari-tczew> bdrung: sorry, I mean you're familiar with audacious
[21:02] <bdrung> ari-tczew: xmp needs to be update to support audacious 2.4
[21:02] <cemc> is it possible to use -jX when building packages with pbuilder to use multiple cores/cpus?
[21:02] <lfaraone> glennricster: plus, they didn't completely reimplement it, I found about half of the code was the same.
[21:03] <bdrung> ari-tczew: enable the audacious plugin and fix the ftbfs ;)
[21:03] <glennricster> lfaraone:  We aren't done reimplementing it.
[21:03] <glennricster> There is more to come.
[21:03] <glennricster> I intend to do it myself.
[21:04] <lfaraone> glennricster: fair enough. there are, by the way, perfectly good existing libraries that are compatible with dolphin's license in Debian already.
[21:04] <lfaraone> glennricster: the owner of the
[21:04] <lfaraone> (and ego ubuntu)
[21:05] <glennricster> We don't need that sort of functionality though.  We really need what we have set up now.  The other libraries (upstream wiiuse included) do not provide the direct access to a wiimote that we need.
[21:05] <lfaraone> glennricster: the owner of the ITP in Debian has been working on switching to GLSL I think, and he said he's replaced wiiuse with a compatible library. you should email him to see if you can work together.
[21:17] <ScottK> cemc: Yes.  Just add -jx onto the end of your pbuilder invocation (IIRC)
[21:17] <ScottK> (or maybe it was before the .dsc)
[21:28] <ari-tczew> bdrung: without disabling package built fine
[21:28] <bdrung> ari-tczew: is it a new upstream version?
[21:29] <ari-tczew> bdrung: yes
[21:29] <bdrung> ari-tczew: great
[21:34] <ari-tczew> bdrung: so, can I drop?
[21:35] <bdrung> ari-tczew: yes, you can drop the disabling = enable audacious plugin


[00:50] <genii> Someone have a quick link or so to some channel operator aliases for Quassel? Jussi swapped the core over to one which my old ones aren't on and the file I recorded them in previously got wiped out during a 9.10 alpha disaster. eg: bounce username withcomment, devoice username, ban username withcomment               etc
[02:26] <funkyHat> Could someone pop in to #ubuntu-offtopic quickly please :)
[02:27] <funkyHat> Oh he's left now
[02:28] <funkyHat> Was FucOff
[03:16] <genii> Meh
[03:17] <genii> I'd kick Spurs_ but I have to type all the commands out manually right now
[05:08] <mneptok> genii: so?
[05:13] <Flannel> mneptok: by manually, he means dip switches.
[05:35] <bazhang> jimmy_ from yesterday (lolnub) in -ot and #u
[06:54] <dholbach> buon giorno!
[06:55] <MenZa> giorno, dholbach?
[06:56] <MenZa> I'd hope that's not what you mean :P
[06:56] <MenZa> Hm.
[06:56] <MenZa> For some reason, I thought 'giorno' was night.
[06:56] <MenZa> Nevermind.
[07:13] <jussi01> Nalioth, could you forward #ubuntu-fluxbox to #fluxbuntu (as is the case with mythbuntu and ubuntu studio).
[07:14] <nalioth> will do
[07:16] <mneptok> MenZa: "notte"
[07:19] <MenZa> mneptok: aha.
[07:19] <nalioth> jussi01: done done done
[08:43] <Tm_T> hi kids
[08:44] <Tm_T> I really wonder why there's weekly DCC send of file irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads in #u
[08:44] <MenZa> ...ther eis? o_O
[08:44] <MenZa> there is*
[08:44] <Flannel> Tm_T: Everyone who's anyone does it!
[08:46] <Tm_T> MenZa: seems so, sometimes several times a week
[08:46] <MenZa> hmm
[08:52] <ikonia> every morning almost
[08:55] <Tm_T> ah, then I'm enough away from the channel to not notice it frequently
[08:58] <MenZa> he was fun :(
[12:31] <tsimpson> jussi01: could you ask someone about the lack of track information in the csv for uds-l, and what channel (if any) there is for "Grand Ballroom"?
[12:32] <tsimpson> jussi01: also about the audio feed URIs (and their formats). I'm assuming it's based on the channel name at the moment
[13:00] <Pici> maco: congrats
[13:00] <maco> thanks :)
[13:00] <MenZa> con..grats?
[13:01] <MenZa> ooooh
[13:01]  * MenZa read -meeting
[13:01] <MenZa> Congrats maco :D
[13:02] <maco> thanks MenZa
[13:51] <MenZa> Heads-up in #ubuntu
[13:51] <MenZa> (Pr0n, Zero_Fear)
[13:51] <MenZa> Zero-Fear*
[13:54]  * jpds hugs the MenZa.
[13:54]  * MenZa licks jpds
[14:10] <Doorman352> whats the deal with this router issue.
[14:11] <Doorman352> Hello
[14:11] <Doorman352> is there an operator in here?
[14:12] <Tm_T> Doorman352: hi, and patience
[14:16] <MenZa> Doorman352: You mean the DCC 'splot?
[14:17] <MenZa> 'sploit*
[14:17] <Doorman352> ?
[14:17] <MenZa> hold on
[14:17] <MenZa> Doorman352:
[14:17] <MenZa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[14:18] <Doorman352> I was kicked out t=of the #ubuntu channel because my router is Buggy? What kind of deal are you talking about?
[14:18] <Doorman352> Theres nothing wrong with my firewall
[14:18] <MenZa> The page should outline what the issue is.
[14:18] <MenZa> Chances are there is a problem with your router's firmware.
[14:18] <Doorman352> It makes no sense because it has not details. What firmware?
[14:19] <MenZa> The firmware your router uses.
[14:19] <Doorman352> Which version do I have to have to satisfy you....
[14:19] <Doorman352> and why would my firewall care about irc channels?
[14:20] <MenZa> See, it works like this: A user sends a DCC request (whose specifics I'm not sure of) to you - i.e. a packet. Your router, which would optimally send this package to your PC, sees it as being mysterious, and terminates the connection, making you lose your internet access.
[14:21] <MenZa> So, to avoid some idiot joining #ubuntu and sending this request to everyone and have half the people in there disconnect, we try to inform you that there may be a problem with your router's firmware.
[14:21] <Pici> The firmware upgrade may not fix the issue. connecting to irc using a port other than 6667, such as 8001,  which freenode supports, will fixit.
[14:21] <Pici> or at least to the extent that the exploit will not trigger a disconnect if you use that port.
[14:22] <MenZa> Eh, what Pici said.
[14:22] <Doorman352> So instead of posting a message you kick me out, ban me, and force me in here so you can sell me new equipment?  That should fix the issue.
[14:23] <Tm_T> so bot didn't kick, nor did anyone of us
[14:23] <Pici> Tm_T: Yes, it did.
[14:23] <Pici> This is intended behavior.
[14:23] <Tm_T> Pici: ok then
[14:23] <bazhang> the exploit had them quit
[14:23] <Pici> !exploit
[14:24] <Tm_T> Pici: yes, bot bans, but does it kick?
[14:24] <Pici> Tm_T: yes
[14:24] <Tm_T> ok
[14:24] <Tm_T> that's all I'm asking
[14:24] <Doorman352> I was in there and then I was removed and banned
[14:24] <Pici> Well, technically I think its a remove.
[14:24] <bazhang> right
[14:24] <Doorman352> whatever
[14:24] <bazhang> Doorman352, so fix the connection port and you're good to go
[14:24] <MenZa> Doorman352: So re-connect on the port in question and it'll solve it.
[14:25] <bazhang> jinx
[14:25] <MenZa> no u
[14:25] <Doorman352> what does 8001 do that 6667 doesnt
[14:25] <MenZa> Doorman352: they're just different ports. the DCC exploint can, apparently, only take place on port 6667.
[14:25] <Pici> MenZa: not exactly.
[14:25] <MenZa> exploit*
[14:25] <MenZa> Or, the router is just stupid.
[14:25]  * MenZa shrugs.
[14:26] <Pici> pretty much.
[14:26] <Doorman352> what?
[14:26] <MenZa> I have no idea what the specifics of the bug are, but as long as it's solved, it's solved.
[14:26] <MenZa> Doorman352: On port 8001 you can do exactly what you've been able to on port 6667.
[14:26] <MenZa> Nothing will be different, except for the port you're connecting to.
[14:26] <jussi01> if you read the links on the exploit page for more info
[14:27] <bazhang> happened to me when I first joined #ubuntu
[14:27] <Pici> Doorman352: Your router/firewall will only be triggered by the exploit on port 6667, since this is traditionally the port for IRC.
[14:27] <Doorman352> how do i change ports then?
[14:27] <MenZa> Konversation wizards, this is your time to shine.
[14:28] <MenZa> Doorman352: File -> Server List
[14:28] <MenZa> You should be able to see Freenode
[14:28] <Pici> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit#Fix%202:%20Change%20Port has a list for popular clients
[14:28] <Doorman352> ok
[14:28] <Pici> s/list/instructions/
[14:29] <MenZa> Or, check out the above link :)
[14:29] <Doorman352> you have the nerver to tell me to RTFM when im in channels trying to learn this?
[14:29] <MenZa> Doorman352: You should watch your attitude. We're only trying to be helpful.
[14:30] <MenZa> !attitude
[14:30] <Doorman352> you kicked me out and I didnt do anything wrong, then you play high and mighty with me..... who has attitude. I am angry about being treated this way.
[14:30] <MenZa> Doorman352: Access to the #ubuntu IRC channels is not a right, it's a privilege. We're more than happy to help facilitate this for you, but at least try to be cooperative.
[14:31] <Doorman352> I would like to go on about my business but Im here trying to get through, while 3 of you pelt me with answers and dont agree
[14:31] <MenZa> We're all volunteers. You're not paying for a product. We're users, just like yourself.
[14:31] <MenZa> We've handed you the solution to your problem, you should be able to make your way to #ubuntu from here.
[14:32] <Doorman352> nope still cant go there
[14:32] <MenZa> You'll need to re-connect.
[14:33] <MenZa> Currently, you're still connected on port 6667.
[14:33] <Doorman352> how do i change the channel?
[14:33] <MenZa> well, first of all, disconnect, then re-connect. then you want to join #ubuntu-read-topic (/join #ubuntu-read-topic) and type 'test me'. then, it should let you back into #ubuntu.
[14:34] <Doorman352> i haven done anything yet, as I dont know how to change the channel.
[14:34] <MenZa> You have changed the port, as per on the page above?
[14:35] <bazhang> Doorman352, quit Konversation set the correct port, then reconnect and follow MenZa 's instructions above
[14:35] <Doorman352> What? You had me open File-Server list and then pici said to RTM
[14:35] <MenZa> Doorman352: See the link.
[14:35] <MenZa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit#Fix%202:%20Change%20Port
[14:36] <Doorman352> theres no channel number on that window....
[14:36] <bazhang> Konversation users can go to File -> Server list -> Edit, click on the server name (e.g. irc.ubuntu.com), click on Edit, and change the port from 6667 to 8001.
[14:36] <bazhang> Doorman352, ^^
[14:37] <Doorman352> there is no port number anywher, it has my name and mu nickname
[14:38] <MenZa> Well, there's a graphical walk-through to that particular part of the client here: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-network/konversation/serverlist.html
[14:39] <bazhang> nice catch MenZa
[14:39] <MenZa> thankye, bazhang
[14:39] <bazhang> Doorman352, near the bottom of the above link ^^
[14:41] <Pici> Doorman352: I only pointed you there because I wasn't sure what irc client you were using.
[14:41] <MenZa> I went for the rude approach and /CTCP VERSION'ed.
[14:42] <Doorman352> OK, I don know what Im supposed to do to fix this problem you say I have. I am not an experienced LINUX user, hence why Im here. You folks pulled me out and dropped me here and I dont know what to do to fix it. I have asked, and you chastized me about my attitude. you post links that dont look like my screens and I still ask for help. 3 on 1 isnt a good tactic to help anyone so somebody tell me what I have to do to go back to the
[14:42] <Doorman352> channel and learn how to use these programs, please.
[14:42] <tsimpson> we forward people to #ubuntu-read-topic when they are susceptible to the exploit so they can become aware of the issue and fix it, as with fewer people vulnerable it becomes less "fun" for the troll to preform the exploit. that's why you were kicked automatically
[14:42] <Doorman352> a forth
[14:43] <MenZa> Doorman352: Look at your list of networks. You've found freenode, aye?
[14:43] <tsimpson> if we didn't ask people to fix the issue, there would be major disruption to the channel every time a troll decided to exploit anyone
[14:43] <Doorman352> yep
[14:43] <MenZa> Press the 'Edit' button next to your Servers, not the one at the top where it says 'Identity'
[14:43] <Doorman352> click edit and another window opens
[14:43] <MenZa> Do describe that window for me. I'm unfamiliar with Konversation, as I don't use it myself. I'll try my best to guide you through it, though.
[14:44] <Doorman352> yep and it shows my name, nickname, and other identity related info.
[14:44] <tsimpson> from Konversation, Edit -> Server List, select the network and click the "Edit" button
[14:44] <MenZa> Are you able to give me a screenshot of the parent window?
[14:44] <MenZa> tsimpson: He's attempted that.
[14:44] <tsimpson> then click on the entry in the "Server" section
[14:44] <Doorman352> how in ubuntu?
[14:45] <tsimpson> then the "Edit" button to the *Right*
[14:45] <MenZa> Doorman352: Print Screen.
[14:45] <tsimpson> not on the top
[14:45] <MenZa> Sounds like tsimpson might have it there
[14:45] <tsimpson> or underneath (in KDE4)
[14:45] <Doorman352> which person am I following?
[14:45] <tsimpson> there will be 3 editable fields there "Server", "Port" and "Password", change "Port" to "8001"
[14:46] <MenZa> Doorman352: tsimpson right now. He's a KDE user, so will know more about Konversation than me.
[14:47] <Doorman352> there is no edit button on the right except at the top.
[14:48] <tsimpson> under the "Servers" list
[14:48] <Doorman352> Will changing this port number create problems for the other schannels I use?
[14:48] <MenZa> No.
[14:48] <Doorman352> theres no edit button on the right, there is a greyed out one on the left side.
[14:49] <MenZa> You need to select the server (i.e., click it), it sounds like.
[14:50] <Doorman352> Which one of the two do I click?
[14:50] <tsimpson> you'll want to change both
[14:51] <tsimpson> so it'll be like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tsimpson/snap4.jpg
[14:52] <Doorman352> ok, mine deffinately does not look like that.
[14:52] <tsimpson> are you using the KDE3 or KDE4 version?
[14:52] <MenZa> 1.1, so KDE 3.
[14:52] <Doorman352> iḿ using ubuntu and I tried every irc client i could to find one that i could make work.
[14:53] <tsimpson> then the last window will look the same
[14:53] <Doorman352> still looking for it.
[14:55] <Doorman352> forget it, ubuntu is not worth this embarassement and grief...... Ill stick with the other channels I use, unles ill get kicked/banned from them too
[14:55] <tsimpson> it should show you how here: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-network/konversation/serverlist.html#serverlist-addnetwork
[14:56] <MenZa> Doorman352: We've only tried to be helpful. You've not been very cooperative.
[14:56] <MenZa> !guidelines > Doorman352
[14:56] <MenZa> Have a look at those. It sounds like you need to refresh your memory about them.
[14:56] <tsimpson> those docs are for the KDE3 version, which you have
[14:56] <Doorman352> my screen does not look like that.
[14:57] <bazhang> Doorman352, what version of ubuntu are you using
[14:58] <Doorman352> I dont remeber either 8.04 or 9.04
[14:58] <bazhang> ok
[14:59] <Doorman352> ubottu: You really going to lecture me on behaviour when I did nothing wrong and did not know how to fix this issue and 4 ops gang up on me with conflicting info and you have the nerver to say I am acting improperly.....
[14:59] <Doorman352> or whomever is impersonating the bot.
[15:00] <Doorman352> I was doing just fine on my own before this.
[15:00] <MenZa> Doorman352: Noone's impersonating any bot. I merely had the bot send you the IRC guidelines to look at once you've resolved your issue.
[15:00] <Doorman352> and I know that how?
[15:00] <MenZa> 2009-11-13 14:55:59 UTC] <+MenZa> !guidelines > Doorman352
[15:00] <MenZa> [2009-11-13 14:56:00 UTC] < ubottu> Doorman352, please see my private message
[15:01] <Doorman352> ok guys, you got me again and shown how ignorant i am....
[15:01] <MenZa> Noone's accusing anyone of being ignorant.
[15:03] <Doorman352> is there a single operator I can e-mail about this experience and make a complaint to. I dont like the way Ive been treated.
[15:03] <MenZa> !appeals
[15:03] <MenZa> Certainly, Doorman352. See above ^
[15:04] <Doorman352> again with the snappy links... can someone just give me an e-mail address so I can leave here and quit this humiliation? PLEAE.
[15:04] <jussi01> ScottK: hi, can we sort something for you?
[15:04] <ScottK> jussi01: I was just looking for nalioth or Pricey to ask about an increased channel limit during UDS.
[15:05] <tsimpson> Doorman352: I've installed the same version as you, it's Alt->F2, then click "Edit" on the right, then select one of the entries under "Servers" and click the "Edit" button underneath that list
[15:05] <tsimpson> that will give you the edit window
[15:05] <jpds> Pici: What was wrong with -devel-summit?
[15:05] <jussi01> jpds: didnt fit the naming scheme. :)
[15:06] <Pici> jpds: It didn't jive with the naming we're using.
[15:06] <jpds> naming scheme?
[15:06] <jpds> mdz registered the channel, just saying.
[15:06] <Pici> For the other #ubuntu-uds-* channels.
[15:06] <Doorman352> alt-f2 brings up a window that says -run application-
[15:06] <jussi01> ScottK: probably better to hang in #ubuntu-irc for them -they both should be there.
[15:06] <jpds> Ah, crikey.
[15:06] <ScottK> jussi01: Thanks.
[15:07] <tsimpson> Doorman352: sorry, not Alt-F2, just F2
[15:07] <tsimpson> Doorman352: or "File->Server List"
[15:07] <tsimpson> same thing
[15:07] <Tm_T> gone already
[15:07] <bazhang> he quit
[15:07] <MenZa> What was that about?
[15:07] <MenZa> O_o
[15:07] <tsimpson> fine
[15:07] <Pici> I guess we could have forwarded in the other direction, but its already done.
[15:07]  * tsimpson stops trying to help people
[15:07]  * Pici shrugs
[15:07] <Tm_T> tsimpson: no you don't
[15:07] <MenZa> tsimpson: I'll give you massive kudos for being dedicated enough to install 1.1 :p
[15:08] <bazhang> hehe
[15:08] <MenZa> I wasn't in a very helpful mood after being verbally abused, but I went along as far as I was able to.
[15:08] <tsimpson> I thought I had it installed already, but couldn't find it
[15:08] <tsimpson> so I just grabbed it from the archive
[15:08] <tsimpson> and that konversation doc page is horribly out of date
[15:08] <MenZa> Yes, yes it is
[15:08] <tsimpson> even for the KDE3 version
[15:09] <MenZa> I was looking at it earlier
[15:09] <tsimpson> fwiw, the KDE4 and KDE3 version have the same look, just with KDE4 style/widgets. the image I posted is what he'd have seen, but in a KDE3 style
[15:10] <MenZa> hmm
[15:12] <tsimpson> proof: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tsimpson/snap5.jpg
[15:13] <bazhang> not that big of a difference really
[15:14] <tsimpson> mostly icons and colour
[15:15] <Tm_T> both depends on what style you're using etc
[15:30] <bazhang> wonder if Younder is really robg
[17:23] <Doorman352> Now what hurdle must I leap over oh great and wise OPS?
[17:26] <Pici> Doorman352: Um.  You left here while we were giving you instructions on how to change the port.
[17:27] <Doorman352> I left because people were abusing me and posting conflicting and wronf information. I want to be left alone, and returned to the channel were I was. I didn run any exploit, nor did I violate any terms of use. I did nothing wrong.
[17:29] <Doorman352> When I got here and was ganged up on, I have every right to be upset with the way I was treated, and then somebody starts playing behavior scripts..... Thats wrong.
[17:30] <Pici> Doorman352: I'm sorry if you think that you feel you were ganged up on.  None of us had that intention, we were all just trying to help and to explain the situation.
[17:30] <Doorman352> NO, you were 4 on 1 with scripts and posts and links and I asked for help and you all continued to pay and show off.
[17:30] <Doorman352> play
[17:31] <Doorman352> you are gods, ok.... now make this right and let me go.
[17:31] <maco> i think the "scripts and posts and links" were an attempt at giving the help you asked for
[17:31] <maco> (perhaps a poorly exectued attempt...)
[17:32] <Doorman352> i find none of this humerous. Itś insulting and humilating to be treated that way.
[17:33] <Doorman352> So I ask again, what must I now do to be let back into the channel, for my crime of owning a Linksys router and being new to LINUX.
[17:35] <Doorman352> So before it was 4+ on 1, now nobody will lift the ban?
[17:37] <Doorman352> Who is the POC for this channel? Whom can I contact to file a complaint about this treatment?
[17:38] <jussi01> Doorman352: if you read the links given, they explain the answers to yourquestions.
[17:38] <jussi01> Doorman352: so first, look here to fix your issue: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[17:38] <Doorman352> another voice from on hihg, what links.... Nobody posted any links here
[17:39] <jussi01> Doorman352: Im just here to help.
[17:39] <Doorman352> Iḿ on port 8001 which you all said was enough...
[17:39] <jussi01> Doorman352: then join #ubuntu-read-topic and read the topic :)
[17:40] <Doorman352> Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it (yes, it can be fixed) 2) after carrying out those instructions please type « test me » and wait few minutes | if this fails, type « /join #ubuntu-ops » to be tested manually".
[17:40] <Doorman352> ok we can now all see it together......
[17:40] <jussi01> Doorman352: so have you tried typing test me?
[17:42] <jussi01> Doorman352: there, that wasnt so hard was it? :)
[17:43] <jussi01> Doorman352: Now then, is there anything else I or the other ops can help you with?
[17:44] <Doorman352> I still want a POC to make a complaint, and please drop your attitude.... ok you all started this I was minding my own business for weeks on theat channel.
[17:46] <maco> Doorman352: its not your fault. some people are jerks and try to exploit your router. unfortunately, we all have to deal with those people being jerks
[17:46] <Pici> Doorman352:
[17:46] <Pici> 12:44:34 <?dmc123> fahadsadah, realtek semiconductor
[17:46] <Pici> er
[17:46] <Pici> wrong paste.
[17:46] <Doorman352> But HOW I was trated here is your responsibility.......
[17:46] <Doorman352> treated
[17:47] <Pici> Doorman352: You can email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you wish.  Thats a private list. More information available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess
[17:48] <Doorman352> And this irc-council oversees the ops in this channel?
[17:50] <Pici> Doorman352: Essentially. They are the governing body of the Ubuntu IRC channels, to whom any issues that cannot be solved in this channel should go to.
[17:50] <maco> s/to.$//
[17:51] <Doorman352> For other issues, a meeting will be scheduled where two independent people from the dispute resolution team can weigh in on the issue. How do we start this meeting?
[17:53] <Pici> Doorman352: I'm actually not sure. Let me see if I can find that out for you.
[17:54] <Doorman352> thank you, just want to make sure Iḿ following the rules and steps in your post, says to have this meeting before e-mailing the list.
[17:57] <Pici> Doorman352: Since you're already in this channel, I don't think you need to worry about that step. Just go ahead and email the irccouncil if you feel the need to do so.
[17:59] <Doorman352> sorry? Id like to have my issue discussed in the manor provided to me by your link, so please contact the independent people from the dispute resolution team so I can discuss my concerns.
[18:02] <jussi01> Doorman352: could you wait a moment while we check into this?
[18:02] <Doorman352> Iĺl wait as long as I have to, to make this never happens to another user.
[18:22] <jussi01> Doorman352: please join #ubuntu-irc-council where some independant members await you. Please state your case clearly and concisely, and remember to read the topic :)
[18:26] <MenZa> For the record, if I'm needed, I will be available for another 30 or so odd minutes.
[18:47] <maco> Burning_Aces is the nick
[18:48] <Pici> maco: The bots banned and freenode staff have already k-lined it
[18:48] <maco> ohok
[18:54] <nalioth> maco: those folks generally don't last much longer than any of their victims
[18:54] <maco> fairnuff
[19:01] <jussi01> davidboy: hi
[19:09] <LjL> you should probably tell digitalstimulus to get his exploitable router fixed; the first time he got disconnected, the bots couldn't ban him because the banlist was full, so now they don't ban him, but he's affected
[20:12] <nixternal> Doorman352: didn't get to say "have a great weekend" before you left
[20:13] <Doorman352> you too!
[20:38] <nixternal> hey, everyone who was assisting Doorman earlier, I think you all kept some very level heads...After working with him for the past hour or so, it seems everything has been worked out, and I am sure you will get some more info from the IRCC about what all was discussed
[20:38] <nixternal> great job on that one
[20:39] <nixternal> on that note...it is time for chicken noodle soup or something...I feel like junk right now
[20:41] <mneptok> nixternal: i've been talking with him in PM for ~20 minutes.
[20:45] <MenZa> nixternal: I'm glad it worked out.
[20:46] <MenZa> !ops | Guess what's full
[20:47] <nixternal> heh, that list needs to be cleaned up
[20:48] <nixternal> imbrandon can get removed...is hobbsee still around? madpilot?
[20:50] <Tm_T> clad I'm not in that list, even when I'm op
[20:50] <jussi01> cripes, about half that list can go...
[20:50]  * jussi01 adds Tm_T
[20:51]  * Tm_T figured some time ago that hilighting 1ops alone is enough
[20:51] <MenZa> I think anything over six months old can probably go
[20:51] <Flannel> nixternal: Madpilot is, Hobbsee is, but doesn't do #ubuntu
[20:52] <Pici> Who is CarlK?
[20:53] <MenZa> CarlFK?
[20:53]  * Pici shrugs
[20:53] <nixternal> is there docs for doing this irc op type stuff? been a while since I really did anything other than ban someone :)  I could use a nice refresher
[20:53] <jussi01_> nixternal: yeah, just a sec
[20:54] <Pici> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[20:54] <jussi01_> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[20:54] <jussi01_> heh
[20:54] <Pici> huzzah
[20:54] <MenZa> Hm, perhaps we should remove all the older bans that forward to #ubuntu-read-topic?
[20:54] <Pici> There shouldn't really be any old ones.  The floodbots remove them after a certain amount of time.
[20:54] <MenZa> hmm
[20:55] <MenZa> [2009-11-13 20:54:50 UTC] *** 3 - #ubuntu: ban krazed_!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic [by FloodBot2!i=nalioth@ubuntu/bot/floodbot, 361482 secs ago]
[20:55] <MenZa> :P
[20:55] <MenZa> that's only four days, hm.
[20:55] <Pici> The max is 14 days iirc.
[20:56] <MenZa> I see.
[20:56] <Pici> Also, there are a lot of mutes on the banlist.
[20:56] <MenZa> Aye.
[20:56] <Tm_T> nixternal: oh, welcome back to hussle
[20:56] <MenZa> I was considering if it would be an idea to do a 'sprint' at some point.
[20:56] <MenZa> Check every entry in bantracker, see if it's worth keeping.
[20:56] <MenZa> Manual labour like hell, but the banlist filling up every two days is not a viable solution, imo.
[20:58] <Pici> MenZa: Actually.... I may be able to script something to get the data
[21:00] <MenZa> Pici: I have an idea as to how the data could be handled.
[21:07] <guntbert> Hi, balzac in ubuntu seems a bit "strange" in his advice, maybe he is teasing people
[21:09] <Flannel> guntbert: I'll keep an eye on him, thanks
[21:09] <guntbert> Flannel: I just saw you there - thx
[21:10] <MenZa> Pici: http://lassehavelund.com/banlist.html
[21:10] <nalioth> good ol' ballsac
[21:11] <MenZa> Pici: You get the idea.
[21:12] <MenZa> The markup is ugly and unsemantic and everything that goes with it.
[21:30] <Pricey> Ahem!! - To all ops. "Ubuntu" doesn't not manage this network. If someone wants a network privilege, as has happenned today, #ubuntu-irc is NOT the place for them. For network stuff, #freenode
[21:32] <Flannel> Pricey: you sure it happened in -irc?
[21:33] <Flannel> I suppose it's not important
[21:33] <jussi01> Flannel: it did
[21:33] <jussi01> and he is right, its my fault.
[21:34] <Pricey> (that's just me speaking, not freenode)
[21:35] <jussi01> Pricey: you are correct though, I should have referred him to #freenode.
[21:35] <Flannel> Howdy ianto, how can we help you today?
[21:36] <ianto> Flannel: Hello there,  I've addressed an issue in #ubuntu-irc,  if you wish I can copy and paste it here if you would like or as I see you are already there you can just read from there? :)
[21:37] <jussi01> ianto: wait, I had a read fail. which channel is this concerning?
[21:37] <ianto> jussi01: The primary concern of mine is #ubuntu-cym but a few moments ago I saw the same user doing something similar in -uk which I am not an op for
[21:38] <jussi01> ianto: Ok, Im very sorry to mess you around, this is an #ubuntu-irc issue.
[21:39] <ianto> Haha okay no problem :)
[21:39] <jussi01> ianto: see you back there :)
[22:53] <arand> I think it might be appropriate to warn/remove PeterBendtsen from #ubuntu ...
[22:53] <jpds> Watching.
[22:54] <jpds> Gone.
[22:55] <jussi01> jpds: why?
[22:55] <jpds> jussi01: Read his pervious messages.
[22:55] <jussi01> jpds: also, have you PM'ed him to try sort it out?
[22:55] <jpds> 22:48:32 < ~PeterBendtsen> arand: i dont visit https links...they are insecure
[22:56] <jpds> 22:55:52 <jpds> Yeah, well, 22:48:32 < ~PeterBendtsen> arand: i dont visit https links...they are insecure
[22:56] <jpds> 22:55:59 <jpds> Looks more like trolling.
[22:56] <jpds> jussi01: Kind of.
[22:56] <jpds> 22:56:05 <~PeterBendtsen> no im just stupid!
[22:56] <jussi01> fair enough.
[22:57] <arand> ok, thanks.
[22:57] <jpds> 22:56:38 <~PeterBendtsen> thats why i use ubuntu
[22:57] <jpds> 22:56:58 <~PeterBendtsen> i dont use it to troubleshoot, thats for sure
[22:57]  * jpds rolls eyes.