[02:56] <yngwin> hey guys
[02:56] <yngwin> when is the utopic release candidate expected?
[03:04] <marc___> Hello. Anyone used the dd command? I tried as suggested earlier but I get no result and no error :-(
[03:05] <marc___> I want to decompress an iso file containing kubuntu to a SSD which is now secondary but I am going to remove it from this PC and put it in another one as primary, so I can boot from there
[03:06] <marc___> I suppose everybody is sleeping... I will try asking again in about 12 hours...
[05:51] <bonk3rzz> Sup all... Is there a way to view my 2nd display on the main monitor (yes i googled) my 2nd display is my TV and it works great right up till i need to move a window or play a next episode
[05:57] <bonk3rzz> and NO Mirroring (both display are to different) looking for something like " Pip "
[06:11] <ap0c> bonk3rzz did you try ##linux for help
[06:13] <bonk3rzz> nope
[06:13] <bonk3rzz> there not KDE fans so much over there
[06:15] <valorie> bonk3rzz: that sounds more like a #kde question
[06:16] <valorie> however it is the middle of the night for europeans, and most of the kde devels are european
[06:17] <bonk3rzz> good to know
[06:17] <apparle> bonk3rzz: it works for me right out of box, just plug the TV in
[06:18] <bonk3rzz> what program
[06:18] <apparle> bonk3rzz: ohh ok I see your question now.
[06:18] <apparle> Go to System Settings -> Display and Configuration
[06:19] <bonk3rzz> and im not really trying for PIP for tv BTW just so see a display thats 25ft away
[06:20] <apparle> bonk3rzz: I get that... you are trying to implement the extended display, and want to make the TV as the primary desktop right?
[06:20] <bonk3rzz> no
[06:21] <apparle> ohh... then I'm not sure what you are trying to do, can you elaborate?
[06:21] <bonk3rzz> try to view whats on the extended display on the first but with out mirroring
[06:21] <apparle> what's the point of it, it's essentially same as mirroring
[06:22] <bonk3rzz> no cus the displays are different sizes it chops them up if i mirror
[06:24] <apparle> but if you want to see the exact same thing, then that is bound to happen. I don't think any software will automatically create 2 desktops with different resolutions/aspect-ratios and then display same windows in both
[06:24] <bonk3rzz> whay site is it up upload a screenshot
[06:25] <bonk3rzz> i just want a small window like vnc but i can really get that to work as well as i like
[06:26] <apparle> http://pastebin.com/u/image first result from google
[06:26] <apparle> bonk3rzz: if you actually want a VNC like situation, why not use a VNC itself
[06:27] <bonk3rzz> cus vnc4server works like crap (for me that is)
[06:28] <apparle> can you post a screen shot, on what you mean by chopping?
[06:28] <bonk3rzz> yes
[06:29] <apparle> ohh wait, seems like I gave you a wrong link... it is the pastebin account of a guy called image :D
[06:30] <apparle> http://pasteboard.co/ I guess this might work
[06:37] <ap0c> bonk3rzz: www.imgur.com is also common for images
[06:37] <bonk3rzz> mirrored http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=20451
[06:37] <bonk3rzz> normal http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=20452
[07:22] <apparle> I don't think any normal desktop feature will meet this requirement
[07:23] <apparle> you need something like a virtual desktop
[07:23] <apparle> *not virtual desktop VNC
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:43] <Guest55651> hi, Is there any way to get my NFC Reader/writer showing up in Kubuntu 14.04?
[09:56] <Guest55651> can usb nfc work on kubuntu?
[10:00] <MoonUnit`> never seem it come up before, you could be treading new ground.
[10:00] <Guest55651> Was looking towards libnfc but it seems to only be command line? No GUI
[10:01] <Guest55651> thanks anyways :)
[10:04] <MoonUnit`> http://nfc-tools.org/index.php?title=Related_links#Software_projects_based_on_libnfc
[10:04] <MoonUnit`> looks like their is a kde plasmoid
[11:06] <waffl3x> ap0c yo
[11:07] <waffl3x> how does kubuntu save whats open when you turn off the computer?
[11:07] <waffl3x> and are there options to configure this?
[11:11] <ap0c> waffl3x I don't know, I rarely turn my box off
[11:11] <ap0c> usually only for updates, otherwise I just suspend
[11:12] <waffl3x> I turn it off often
[11:13] <waffl3x> since dual boot
[11:13] <waffl3x> what is suspend?
[11:14] <ap0c> shuts off network communications and I'm pretty sure it also puts all your programs in RAM onto Swap, and keeps your programs open and running
[11:14] <ap0c> just without network communications
[11:14] <waffl3x> thats only if you have it set to hibernate
[11:14] <waffl3x> thats literally the only thing I know about suspend
[11:14] <ap0c> suspend = hibernate = sleep
[11:15] <waffl3x> from what I heard thats incorrect
[11:15] <waffl3x> someone told me "you dont need 110% ram for swap unless you plan to hibernate"
[11:15] <waffl3x> "you can just suspend"
[11:15] <waffl3x> brb pizza in oven
[11:19] <ap0c> Waffl3x: Actually , hibernate and suspend are the same, while sleep is just low power consumption (programs still in RAM)
[11:19] <ap0c> just looked it up
[11:19] <ap0c> and yeah I like to hibernate because of faster startup time
[11:20] <waffl3x> im pretty sure I saw a setting in suspend that was what to do what suspending
[11:20] <waffl3x> I must be wrong
[11:25] <waffl3x> ap0c, http://imgur.com/PaqReYj this is confusing me then
[11:26] <ap0c> Waffl3x: If you go to your applications bar and go to Settings > System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Session Management, there is an option for 'On Login:' then a few options
[11:26] <ap0c> you can start with a new session, or save your old session
[11:26] <ap0c> or manually save session
[11:28] <ap0c> is there a drop-down box to choose hibernate?
[11:28] <waffl3x> yes
[11:28] <lordievader> ap0c: There is quite a difference between suspend/sleep and hibernate.
[11:29] <waffl3x> wait
[11:29] <waffl3x> theres no hibernate option
[11:30] <ap0c> lordievader: I knew 2 of the 3 were the same
[11:30] <waffl3x> could have sworn there was before
[11:30] <lordievader> With suspend things are left in RAM, with hibernate the contents of the RAM are written to disk. As such suspend uses more power than hibernate.
[11:30] <ap0c> thanks for the clarification
[11:30] <lordievader> waffl3x: If you haven't repartitioned (and what I remember is true) your swap is too small for hibernation.
[11:31] <waffl3x> I know
[11:31] <waffl3x> so it hides the option if you cant?
[11:31] <lordievader> Jup.
[11:31] <waffl3x> cool
[11:41] <waffl3x> thanks for the help as usual
[11:46] <MrJoshL> Hi, Trying to get a USB NFC Reader/Writer working on Kubuntu, And have got the message  "Unable to claim USB interface (Device or resource busy)" when trying to use libnfc, Any ideas how to fix this?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:26] <Moter8> Downloaded utopic-desktop-amd64.iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ and tried to install it on a vmware vm.
[12:27] <Moter8> I'm getting ubi-partman failed with exit code 141 after trying to install kubuntu.
[12:27] <Moter8> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/945027 shows it happens when there are 2 OS installed, which isnt the case for me
[12:28] <Moter8> Or rather https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/988811 ?
[12:52] <mparillo> Moter8: You might get better support for Utopic (especially Plasma5) in #kubuntu-devel. But, it is a weekend and pretty quiet over there. I suggest you add your testing results to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82058/testcases
[12:56] <Moter8> mparillo, Sorry, which do I choose there?
[12:56] <Moter8> Auto-resize i guess
[12:56] <Moter8> ?
[13:22] <marc___> Hello, Following the advise I tried to decompress the Kubuntu image to a SSD (which is secondary now but I am going to put it as primary in another PC) using dd for windowz but I couldn't
[13:22] <marc___> anyone can help please?
[15:05] <encolpe> hello
[15:08] <jalomann> encolpe: hello
[15:26] <marc___> Hello again, anyone can help with grub4dos? It looks like this version I am using has problems with lz files
[15:28] <lordievader> marc___: Grub4dos?
[15:29] <marc___> yes
[15:31] <lordievader> marc___: Why do you need that?
[15:32] <marc___> I am trying to install kubuntu into a SSD which is now secondary disk in this PC but I will remove it and put it as primary on another PC where I cannot boot from USB or DVD
[15:32] <marc___> this PC cannot boot USB or DVD either, and it is running xp
[15:33] <lordievader> marc___: You dd'ed over a live cd right?
[15:34] <marc___> What do you exactly mean?
[15:34] <marc___> I have the image of kubuntu in my HD
[15:35] <lordievader> marc___: If I remember correctly you were instructed to dd an iso to the ssd, is this correct?
[15:35] <marc___> Yes but then I was told that I cannot install Kubuntu to the same partition where I have the image I am installing from
[15:36] <marc___> and someone also said that even if I make another partition it won't work
[15:36] <marc___> what do you think?
[15:37] <lordievader> marc___: I'm getting confused here. You had two drives right? The original with XP and the target ssd, correct?
[15:37] <marc___> Yes
[15:38] <marc___> the idea is to remove the SSD later on, put it on another PC and boot Kubuntu
[15:38] <marc___> the SSD now is secondary, it will be primary on the other PC
[15:38] <lordievader> marc___: Right, so have you dd over the iso to the SSD?
[15:39] <marc___> after many times I tried to do dd it looked like it was working, however: 1) I can't find how to do verbose mode (-v won't work) 2) Someone said it won't allow me to install it to the same partition
[15:39] <marc___> Should I make another partition on the SSD?
[15:40] <lordievader> marc___: You not installing it to the same partition, your dd'ing to the SSD.
[15:40] <lordievader> marc___: What dd command are you using?
[15:40] <marc___> yes but I want to install Kubuntu to the SSD
[15:41] <marc___> dd if=c:\kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.iso od=d:    WON'T WORK
[15:41] <marc___> So I did dd --list
[15:41] <marc___> and then I replaced d: with a long stream
[15:41] <lordievader> marc___: Instead of 'od' use 'of'
[15:43] <marc___> dd if=c:\kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso od=\\.\Volume{4543e292-56ca-11e4-885a-008045132e4d}
[15:43] <marc___> I think that is what I tried
[15:43] <marc___> ok I will try of
[15:44] <lordievader> marc___: Please read http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
[15:48] <marc___> if I do of=d: it says read from 95 disk (and stops)
[15:48] <lordievader> marc___: Could you pastebin the full output?
[15:49] <lordievader> !paste | marc___
[15:51] <marc___> rawwrite dd for windows version 0.6beta3. Written by John Newbigin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>This program is covered by terms of the GPL Version 2. read from 95 disk
[15:51] <marc___> that is all
[15:51] <marc___> no worries, I will use dd if=c:\kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso od=\\.\Volume{4543e292-56ca-11e4-885a-008045132e4d}
[15:51] <marc___> that was working
[15:52] <marc___> and just in case I made a new partition
[15:52] <z4m4r174n> hi, someone plays or played uplink? i dont know how exit to the game (what a shame) -__-
[15:52]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand the backslashes in the dd command
[15:52] <lordievader> marc___: od is not a valid argument for dd. All that it does there is read the iso.
[15:53] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It's the Windows version of dd.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:53]  * lordievader goes to make some food
[15:53] <marc___> I used if and of
[15:53] <marc___> ahh, you mean now...
[15:54] <marc___> well... I can see a lot of activity on the SSD
[15:54] <marc___> so something is going on...
[15:54] <marc___> sorry
[15:54] <marc___> you are right
[15:54] <marc___> I am using of now as well
[15:56] <marc___> Who knows how long it will take!! The SSD is very very slow under win xp
[15:56] <marc___> and this PC has no special support for SSD in the bios
[16:01] <jalomann> marc___: It takes about 45 mins
[16:02] <marc___> So in my case it will probably take longer?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> marc___, time to upgrade to W7..it'll probly run fine on that pc
[16:02] <jalomann> marc___: could be. just wait.
[16:02] <marc___> Is it any difference decompressing an iso with something like winiso to do it with dd?
[16:02] <marc___> It is an old PC, cannot run win7
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ram ?
[16:03] <marc___> processor 1Ghz, ram 768MB
[16:03] <marc___> I just use it because it is a toughbook
[16:05] <marc___> Is it any difference decompressing an iso with something like winiso to do it with dd?
[16:05] <z4m4r174n> #dlan
[16:07] <jalomann> marc___: dd is disk duplicator. It doesn't do compressing.
[16:07] <marc___> I am more confused now
[16:08] <marc___> when using dd like I am using it does it write to the mbr?
[16:08] <marc___> I have to go now, I'll read your reply and I'll let you know later
[16:08] <jalomann> I don't exactly know dd4win but in linux the name comes from disk duplicator.
[16:09] <jalomann> You must install mbr separately.
[16:09] <jalomann> I was wondering how are you going to boot.
[16:15] <z4m4r174n> /irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu-co
[16:16] <BluesKaj> marc___, afaik if you copy the whole partition data the mbr should also be included, but I've never dd'd a windows OS, only linux
[16:18] <MoonUnit`> interesting, installed 14.10 with btrfs, i have seperate / and /home partitions and the installer still made @ and @home subvolumes.
[16:19] <MoonUnit`> which is annoying if all you data is in /home and not @home
[16:21] <MoonUnit`> ended up removing subvolume @home from fstab, left @ alone
[17:36] <marc___> After doing the dd I get while trying to boot from that SSD: Operating system not found
[17:48] <jalomann> macstar_: that's what I expected.
[17:48] <macstar_> sorry what?
[17:49] <jalomann> sorry. tried to reply to marc___ but he is gone.
[17:49] <macstar_> ah :)
[18:08] <Zephyr1139> How do I start a non-graphical text based installation of kubuntu 14.04 ?
[18:14] <lordievader> Zephyr1139: Use the mini-iso ;)
[18:16] <Zephyr1139> lordievader, mini-iso ?   I am installing from kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:20] <lordievader> Zephyr1139: Yeah, if you want the text based installer use the mini iso (or the server iso).
[18:22] <marc___> Hello. Where can I download a version of Kubuntu for a non pae PC?
[18:23] <lordievader> marc___: Kubuntu no longer has a non pae kernel. Last one that had one was Xubuntu Precise, or something (read the release notes).
[18:24] <marc___> That is weird because I am pretty sure that I was running Kubuntu on this PC but now I get the non pae error
[18:24] <marc___> by the way... the dd finished, I rebooted and I received the no operative system found
[18:25] <lordievader> I saw, I was afraid of that. You should talk to genii when he comes online.
[18:25] <marc___> ok, anyway, I installed plop, booted from USB and tried to install Kubuntu but I've got that pae error
[18:26] <marc___> I remember that with DOS it was very easy to use the command sys.com, is something like that in Linux?
[18:27] <marc___> In XP the "create and MS-DOS startup disk" is disabled in the format window
[18:31] <Zephyr1139> lordievader, I am trying to use the text based installer because the nouveau driver initially displays the splash and dialog wizard for choosing "try..." and "install..." but after choosing either the screen gets shifted.
[18:44] <Zephyr1139> lordievader, I am able to start up in a functional console version if I replace 'quiet splash' with 'text' in the boot parameters line.
[19:02] <waffl3x> where is the option to turn on the notification asking you if you want to delete something
[19:02] <waffl3x> I can not find it :/
[19:02] <waffl3x> accidently unchecked it
[19:32] <bprompt> waffl3x:    for dolphin you mean?
[19:45] <marc___> Still unable to install Kubuntu here...
[20:15] <marc___> I managed to install Slacko Puppy 5.7 to the SSD but I cannot boot from the SSD
[20:16] <marc___> I did that as I though maybe later on I can install Kubutu over Slacko Puppy 5.7
[20:16] <marc___> Can anyone help please? I've been too long with this problem
[20:41] <kameluel> Hi
[20:42] <kameluel> I have a little problem concerning kontact. My google contact sync does not work
[20:43] <kameluel> i have enabled the akonadi module, but nothing happens. I did not manage to get any error message.
[20:49] <valorie> kameluel: maybe ask in #kontact ?
[20:49] <valorie> they can perhaps tell you how to get an error log
[20:50] <kameluel> valorie thanks ;)
[21:30] <natman> Anyone running Kubuntu 14.10 ? how is it looking compared to 14.04 - Which I love. Any updates to telepaty the default IM client? Which is missing a lot of stuff in 14.04.
[21:34] <soee> natman: its just next version with some packages updated
[21:35] <soee> though for me its a bit different because im using Plasma5 not 4
[21:42] <ap0c> natman have you ever tried Pidgin for IM?
[21:43] <natman> ap0c: Yes, just find the integration of pidgin plain ugly inside of kubuntu
[21:44] <ap0c> I haven't tried it yet, I haven't used AIM / Yahoo in years
[21:45] <natman> ap0c: Yahoo rocks, I dont have a facebok account so Yahoo is my only one
[21:46] <ap0c> yeah I just talk to everyone through Facebook, since they implemented their messenger I haven't really found a use for AIM too much
[21:50] <lordievader> natman: Bitlbee is nice for IM, then you can simply use your IRC client :D
[21:57] <bennypr0fane> Hey, I have my desktop in this funny mode: http://imgur.com/2ExGaAM  What is it called, and how can I change the wallpaper in this mode?  How do I get back to the default desktop?
[21:58] <valorie> bennypr0fane: looks like netbook mode
[21:59] <valorie> how old is this install?
[21:59] <valorie> but that is changed in systemsettings, or at least used to be
[21:59] <valorie> I didn't think that was an option any more
[21:59] <bennypr0fane> it's 14.04
[22:00] <bennypr0fane> installed it rather soon after release
[22:00] <bennypr0fane> valorie: actually, I chnaged netbook mode to this
[22:00] <bennypr0fane> ...and I can't find *where* in system settings!
[22:01] <lordievader> bennypr0fane: Isn't that the desktop search thingie.. Hold on let me check some stuff.
[22:01] <bennypr0fane> in netbook mode, the panel lacks the menu, and apps have no title bars and stuff
[22:01] <valorie> hmmm
[22:02] <valorie> could that be .... homerun?
[22:02] <lordievader> Search and Launch that was what it was called.
[22:02] <valorie> ah
[22:02] <lordievader> bennypr0fane: Right click desktop -> Default desktop settings -> Layout type.
[22:02] <bennypr0fane> I kinda like this setupm but getting fed up with the wallpaper, but can't figure out how to cahnge it
[22:03] <bennypr0fane> there is no menu item "Default desktop settings"
[22:04] <bennypr0fane> lordievader: but I got "configure search and launch", so that must be it
[22:04] <julienrbt> Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 5 is awesome!
[22:04] <julienrbt> Thanks!
[22:06] <bennypr0fane> ok, that's where that setting is. Is there any way to get to that, other than right click on desktop?
[22:06] <ap0c> alt + d , alt + s
[22:06] <valorie> bennypr0fane: you can change the wallpaper also from right-clicking on the desktop
[22:08] <bennypr0fane> ap0c: that was directed at me? Alt+d is not working here. Alt+S only when I'm on the desktop, not from inside an application
[22:10] <bennypr0fane> valorie: that's the only way I was aware of, but I was aksing is there another way
[22:10] <bennypr0fane> like from the menu
[22:11] <valorie> ah, of that I'm not sure
[22:11] <valorie> of course you can probably get into the settings file and edit that
[22:12] <bennypr0fane> in system settings, you have: "desktop behavior" "desktop appearance", and "desktop effects". This dialogue is "desktop settings"....
[22:12] <bennypr0fane> (these are literal translations from my german interface)
[22:14] <valorie> bennypr0fane: I was speaking more generally when I used the word settings
[22:14] <valorie> dot files in your $HOME
[22:14] <ap0c> there is a config file in your home folder, it's hidden
[22:14] <valorie> possibly in ~/.kde
[22:15] <valorie> perhaps .config or .local
[22:15] <bennypr0fane> valorie it seems we need more precise terminology in kde :-D it has a gazillion settings for anything!
[22:15] <ap0c> you can hard-code the config file to your background
[22:15] <ap0c> benny, hes talking about from the CLI
[22:15] <valorie> in KDE 4, usually in .kde
[22:15] <ap0c> not GUI
[22:15] <valorie> you can see hidden files in the gui
[22:15] <valorie> and they are text files
[22:15] <valorie> you can edit them in kate or kwrite
[22:16] <valorie> and I'm female, not male
[22:16] <bennypr0fane> alright, not gonna do that as long as there's another option ;-P
[22:16] <bennypr0fane> valorie: I was actually surprised that ac0p said "he" :-D
[22:16] <valorie> it's fun to look at the files, even if you never edit them
[22:17] <bennypr0fane> valorie: ...if you can find them,
[22:17] <valorie> they aren't endless
[22:17] <valorie> and I guess everybody's idea of fun is different
[22:17] <valorie> :-)
[22:17] <valorie> really, not a gazillion
[22:18] <valorie> more like.... 50-75 files at most, some very short
[22:18] <bennypr0fane> hmmm... no hidden files in ~/.kde , except .directory
[22:18] <ap0c> benny, if you want to look from command line its in ~/.kde/share/config/ , in Kubuntu 14.04 the config file is called plasma-desktoprc
[22:18] <ap0c> or Dolphin if you want
[22:19] <valorie> well, .kde is hidden
[22:19] <ap0c> ls -a
[22:19] <valorie> the files inside are mostly not
[22:19] <valorie> "hidden" is imprecise, for sure
[22:20] <valorie> dot files
[22:20] <bprompt> bennypr0fane:    what are you looking for in dolphin?
[22:20] <bennypr0fane> ap0c, bprompt: found it. and extra ones for the apllet configuration
[22:21] <bprompt> k
[22:21] <bennypr0fane> valorie: i thought dot files == hidden files
[22:21] <ap0c> they are bennypr0fane
[22:21] <ap0c> also directories, not necessarily a file
[22:22] <ap0c> for example the program wine emulates a c drive, usually in ~/.wine/drive_c/
[22:22] <valorie> bennypr0fane: yes, that is the common usage
[22:23] <valorie> but as you say, more precision in language is good
[22:23] <valorie> they are "hidden by default"
[22:24] <valorie> anyway, in kde and linux generally, there are usually multiple ways to get a task done
[22:24] <valorie> which is awesome
[22:24] <ap0c> bennypr0fane: in plasma-desktop-appletsrc is where the background config is
[22:25] <ap0c> you can type in more plasma-desktoprc to check it out , it's one of the last lines
[22:25] <ap0c> [Containments][8][Wallpaper][image]
[22:26] <ap0c> wallpaper=/directory/example/filename
[22:26] <ap0c> pretty sure you normally change your wallpaper from a config file in the more linux-like distros, like Slackware
[22:26] <ap0c> at least that's how I did it like 6 years ago
[22:27] <ap0c> but I haven't used *nix much since then, just been back on Kubuntu for like 5 days
[22:27] <valorie> more linux-like distros?
[22:28] <valorie> how is kubuntu not linux-like?
[22:30] <bennypr0fane> valorie: haha, good question
[22:30] <bennypr0fane> I think he means sonething "less pretty colors and stuff, more bare naked code"
[22:31] <valorie> ah, gui vs. cli
[22:31] <valorie> they are both tools
[22:31] <valorie> I use both
[22:31] <valorie> that's like saying which is better, a screwdriver or a hammer?
[22:31] <bennypr0fane> ap0c: in that case though, it's surprising you would have landed on Kubuntu, of all things
[22:32] <bennypr0fane> valorie: my thoughts exactly
[22:32] <valorie> this ain't religion
[22:35] <ap0c> eh I guess just because everything is manual in that OS mostly
[22:37] <bennypr0fane> no how was it that I can edit the contents of manin menu?
[22:37] <bennypr0fane> *main menu?
[22:38] <bennypr0fane> there's an application that I cant find browsing through the menu, but only by typing its name in the search box
[22:41] <ap0c> hang on benny I'm going to do a little googlefu, I'd like to know the same thing
[22:47] <ap0c> bennypr0fane: try kmenuedit - if you can't find it, just run it from a terminal / run command
[22:49] <bennypr0fane> ap0c: nice, thanks! now that would be interesting to know once again, how can I find this by clicking! :-)
[22:50] <ap0c>  You should be able to right click the desktop > run command > kmenuedit
[22:53] <bennypr0fane> oooh, I found it! right click on the menu > edit menu entries!
[22:53] <bennypr0fane> thanks!
[22:53] <bennypr0fane> but good to know its name also
[22:54] <bennypr0fane> I think all programs should be labelled not only with their function ("file manager"), but also the command to run them ("dolphin")
[22:55] <ap0c> yeah I am adding the menu editor to my system icons right now for ease of access
[22:58] <bennypr0fane> system icons?
[22:59] <ap0c> in the application launcher > system
[22:59] <ap0c> (it's own menu entry so I don't have to run command)
[23:00] <valorie> usually krunner will do that stuff too
[23:00] <valorie> alt+f2
[23:01] <valorie> that is the hidden multi-tool of KDE
[23:03] <bennypr0fane> valorie: yeah, it is in fact quite hidden. I heard it replaced another tool that was more visible
[23:04] <valorie> not that I've heard of
[23:04] <valorie> it isn't supposed to be hiding anything else - I was meaning "hidden" in that not enough people know about it
[23:04] <valorie> I bet I used kubuntu for years before i discovered it
[23:04] <bennypr0fane> it's strange though if you want to run a command in krunner, you have to finish typing the name before you get thr option to run it as a command. before that, it treats the querty as a file search
[23:05] <valorie> more years beyond that before I installed yakuake
[23:05] <valorie> now everything is literally at my fingertips
[23:05] <valorie> all I need is coffee-over-IP and I'm set
[23:06] <bennypr0fane> valorie there was somehting else that used to do the file searching job
[23:06] <valorie> locate?
[23:06] <yofel> kfile?
[23:06] <bennypr0fane> is that a thing, coffee-over-IP? I absolutely have to get that!!!
[23:06] <valorie> lol
[23:06] <valorie> invent it please!
[23:06] <valorie> sec
[23:06] <bennypr0fane> coIP
[23:07] <valorie> yofel: i've never heard of kfile!
[23:08] <yofel> yeah... I meant kfind
[23:08] <yofel> (there is a kfile4 which i mixed up)
[23:09] <ap0c> yeah valorie yakuake is awesome
[23:10] <ap0c> did you guys edit your .bashrc for pretty color terminals?
[23:10] <ap0c> nice that you can set your terminal to pretty much anything in nix
[23:11] <yofel> I guess most people that use it more than once a week do that. $PS1 can be an art topic ^^
[23:13] <ap0c> true
[23:14] <bennypr0fane> does anyone know Terminology? It's the standard terminal of Enlightenment desktop environment. that's the most beautiful one I know
[23:15] <ap0c> benny have you ever messed with $PS1?
[23:15] <bennypr0fane> ap0c: no, never heard of it
[23:16] <ap0c> you can customize the color of your shell prompt
[23:16] <ap0c> like user@host$ can be different colors, or you can add other options to it as well
[23:16] <ap0c> change the layout etc.
[23:17] <ap0c> not so much the layout, more the spacing *