[14:09]  * Roguehorse Well, *my* Monday was fun:  http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2015-August/061210.html
[14:09] <darthrobot> Title: [[svlug] Caught in the Act]
[14:51] <Roguehorse> I also had a jerky from China AND France at the same time!  Kubuntu 14.04
[15:16] <akk> That's why I asked about ubuntu.
[15:17] <Roguehorse> oh, no, it just gives me the same errors then times out
[15:17] <Roguehorse> let me try your line
[15:20] <Roguehorse> Eh, giving me three choices ... adobe-flashplugin 1:20150811.1-0trusty1 or flashplugin-installer:i386 <IP_ADDRESS>8ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> or flashplugin-installer <IP_ADDRESS>8ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:21] <Roguehorse> E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
[15:22] <Roguehorse> I already have Icedtea installed and things seem to be humming along ok ... but this flash thing keeps coming back around
[15:24] <akk> You might be getting flash from a different place, then. aptitude search flash | grep '^i' will probably tell you which package you're using.
[15:36] <Roguehorse> i   flashplugin-installer           - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[15:36] <Roguehorse> i   pepperflashplugin-nonfree       - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
[16:01]  * Roguehorse BTW: I'm *NOT* the admin of my network....my in-laws own the subscription. I only have a router at my desk that distributes to my desktop, TV, and provides wireless.
[16:02]  * Roguehorse so basically, I'm at the mercy of whatever they do on their end
[16:05]  * Roguehorse it's been that way since we bought the house together in 2008
[16:31]  * Roguehorse what *they* do with the traffic, I don't know, however, I have my suspicions. They just keep telling me I'm "paranoid". Yeah, right.
[16:33]  * Roguehorse so yeah, they have my MAC and can do *what they want* based on how angry or malicious they want to be.
[16:39]  * Roguehorse my wife (soon to be ex) owns the cell account and monitors my text messages ... that's not really fun either.
[16:46]  * Roguehorse I've had websites blocked, ubuntu updates blocked, email blocked, all kinds of nightmare...then told "it must be your Linux system"
[16:50]  * Roguehorse There are 8 people in the house: Me, wife, son, brother-in-law, sister-in-law (sisters), nephew, niece, mother-in-law
[16:58]  * Roguehorse then people wonder why I'm such and advocate for encryption. My email has been monitored for years and who knows what else when I haven't been traffic monitoring. I'm NOT "paranoid" and I'm NOT dumb.
[17:00] <akk> Most people these days seem to use gmail or other webmail services, so none of their email is private. Nobody seems to care much about privacy.
[17:01]  * akk gave a Toastmasters talk recently about privacy with a lot of detail from Schneir's excellent new book, but nobody's asked her for more info
[17:06] <Roguehorse> akk: That's because *most* people only think it's the GOV doing it and there isn't anything they can do about it. It *can* be done at lower levels too. Trust me, I KNOW!
[17:07]  * Roguehorse I CARE A LOT ABOUT PRIVACY!!!
[17:09]  * Roguehorse the brother-in-law and sister-in-law both work for San Lorenzo Unified. For all I know, they could be piping the signal to a SysAdmin there who again does who knows what with it.
[17:09]  * Roguehorse they could be piping it anywhere!
[17:09]  * akk wonders why Roguehorse is using /me for everything
[17:09] <Roguehorse> lol
[17:09] <Roguehorse> sorry
[17:10] <Roguehorse> web mail is fine, but I don't always want to start up a browser
[17:11] <Roguehorse> it's just easier to have it pull down and then read when I want to
[17:12] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: i can't help but notice you're connected to freenode WITHOUT ssl
[17:12] <Roguehorse> regardless, I shouldn't have to be worrying about it anyway!
[17:13] <Roguehorse> yeah, for whatever reason, when I turn on the ssl it won't connect
[17:13] <DonkeyHotei> have you tried different ports?
[17:13] <akk> I hate webmail clients, but that's not why I don't use gmail; it's the privacy issues that keep me from it.
[17:13] <Roguehorse> no
[17:14] <akk> What would be the point of connecting with ssl to a publically logged IRC channel?
[17:14] <Roguehorse> I'm not worried about it, but thank you for asking
[17:14] <DonkeyHotei> akk: e-mail is not private by definition unless you encrypt, and you can encrypt gmail so google can't read it
[17:15] <Roguehorse> most likely, the in-laws have a "haunt" monitoring what I say in here too
[17:15] <akk> True. But the chances of mail to some random server getting snooped by intermediate sites is tiny
[17:15] <DonkeyHotei> ssl encrypts between the client and the server, which is where his insecure link is
[17:15] <akk> while the chance of gmail getting snooped is 100%.
[17:16] <akk> Obviously, anything REALLY private and secret shouldn't be sent by unencrypted email at all.
[17:16] <Roguehorse> akk: +100
[17:17] <Roguehorse> at minimum, I at least sign so people know it did actually come from me
[17:17] <Roguehorse> it's hard to get people to use the encryption though
[17:18] <DonkeyHotei> i used to sign but it would make my msgs get rejected
[17:18] <Roguehorse> some people have been understanding of my situation
[17:18] <Roguehorse> oh, yeah, I suppose that could happen too
[17:18] <akk> I figured out how to configure mutt to handle signatures once, but it was such a pain, and so slow, and gave me no actual useful info, that I turned it off again.
[17:19] <Roguehorse> I have that working, works great for me. I could try and send you the info to set it up?
[17:19] <akk> It tells me that someone signed it, but how do I know it's the person they claim to be?
[17:19] <akk> And even though I have a key signed on a public key server, other people's keys are never on the same server
[17:20] <akk> and this "web of trust" idea doesn't seem to work, there never seemed to be any link among different key servers.
[17:20] <Roguehorse> hmmm...mine checks the signature to the ones I have saved and tells me "good signature"
[17:20] <akk> Sure, if I had local public keys for people I was getting signed email from, then that would be useful information.
[17:20] <Roguehorse> have to check multiple servers ... yeah, that area needs work
[17:21] <Roguehorse> MIT is pretty reliable
[17:21] <akk> My key is on whatever server they happened to be using at the keysigning I went to. :)
[17:21] <Roguehorse> =)
[17:22] <Roguehorse> I think mine are on all of them .... I'm usually pretty good with making surethey're available
[17:23] <akk> I don't really grok how the whole keyserver thing is supposed to work. I think this signing thing is designed for people who use it all the time and are really knowledgeable
[17:23] <akk> but it's not at all well designed for people who just want to say "maybe if I turn on signatures I'll have a little more email security".
[17:23] <Roguehorse> I have maybe one key I haven't made public ... the one for Mailvelope for GMail
[17:25] <Roguehorse> the public key is just made available to everyone so they *can* send you an encrypted message AND verify your signature when you send signed. Without it and verifying, signed doesn't mean much.
[17:27] <Roguehorse> you do have more security signing, if the mail is tampered with along the way, as in *edited* then the signature turns out bad and the receiver will know that the message has been tampered with along the way
[17:27] <akk> Right. E.g. if I get signed email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then unless I go and look for jane's web page to see if she has her public key there somewhere for download,
[17:28] <akk> her signed mail doesn't really tell me anything
[17:28] <Roguehorse> I even have DKMS installed on my emails
[17:28] <akk> and that's a bunch of extra steps and searching
[17:28] <akk> so it made no sense for me to leave signatures on by default in mutt for every message.
[17:29] <akk> If there's a particular message where I care enough to go to that work (has never happened, but could some day) I could always turn it on just for that message.
[17:29] <Roguehorse> well, it's not really about you so much as it is about *them* and letting them know you've done what you can
[17:30] <Roguehorse> I do it anyway, whether or not the other end cares enough to follow up is on them, I did what I could on my end
[17:31] <Roguehorse> all it takes is *ONE* person to start to care before it becomes *TWO*
[17:33] <Roguehorse> even if I'm the *ONLY* one, I have faith that more people will start to care .... especially these days =/
[17:35] <Roguehorse> I also realise that my particular situation is *NOT* normal so I take the precautions that I believe are necessary and *pray* that some understand and work with me ... I don't get many
[17:35] <Roguehorse> but some do =)
[17:46] <Roguehorse> I haven't been able to get Dropbox to install or SpiderOak either since I had to rebuild my system ... oh yeah, I had a system crash 2 weeks ago.
[17:47] <Roguehorse> someone's been trying to stop me from file sharing
[17:48] <Roguehorse> probably because I posted that link to that old email with all those addresses in that blog post ... I took that link down after I calmed down a bit
[17:48] <DonkeyHotei> have you tried any of the "vpn services" out there?
[17:49] <Roguehorse> I still have way, Google is working fine so I've been using that
[17:50] <Roguehorse> I have some servers I still have access to as well
[17:50] <Roguehorse> SpiderOak is nice because it's all TNO between client, host, storage
[17:51] <Roguehorse> 2G free
[17:52] <Roguehorse> but if your network admin (or someone with admin rights) blocks the data stream to pull the install packages, you're screwed right?
[17:53] <Roguehorse> so then we're at who has been given that information?
[17:53] <DonkeyHotei> you can vpn to any server you have access to
[17:55] <Roguehorse> true, but they can also actively cut the port ... been there believe it or not. Sometimes I VPN through HE and  they're pretty understanding about it
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> port 22?
[17:55] <Roguehorse> no
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> you can vpn to any server you have access to
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> it's the -w flag to ssh
[17:56] <Roguehorse> yes, I know, TY
[17:56] <Roguehorse> I do waht I can when I have to
[17:57] <Roguehorse> my life is already kind of messed up enough with my medical issues, I don't need network issues imposed by mean people too ... but I deal with them
[17:58] <DonkeyHotei> before ssh had a -w, i came up with a way to vpn to any server, no root or privileges needed
[17:59] <Roguehorse> this is the ugliest divorce I've gone through so far .... just mean for no reason other than to be mean
[17:59] <DonkeyHotei> how many?
[17:59] <Roguehorse> ok, that sounds scary
[17:59] <Roguehorse> huh, this is my 3rd
[17:59] <Roguehorse> I'm NOT getting married again thanks
[18:00] <Roguehorse> 19, 28, 45
[18:00] <akk> Three divorces doesn't sound promising.
[18:01] <Roguehorse> I'm a borderline workaholic and introvert so put the two together and I'm kind of a boring person
[18:03] <DonkeyHotei> you divorced at 19?
[18:03] <Roguehorse> my Dad is kind of the same way really
[18:04] <Roguehorse> yep, well, maybe 20. It was short lived for sure.
[18:04] <Roguehorse> married the HS girlfriend and we had a studio in Manteca together then moved to Modesto a little later
[18:05] <Roguehorse> long story =/
[18:05] <Roguehorse> someday I'll tell you about it
[18:06] <Roguehorse> I have lots of stories to share and I'm happy to do so =)
[18:07] <Roguehorse> unfortunately, I can't really get around anymore so it's hard for me to get anywhere...hopefully the doctors are going to get busy here soon
[18:09] <Roguehorse> oh, and my car's broke down just 3 days before my custody appointment, imagine that? I got a ride anyway *thankfully* but I don't know how to fix it so it's sitting in the driveway
[18:10] <Roguehorse> I'm waiting for my sheriff friend from Livermore to get back from vacation to come over and help me out
[18:10] <Roguehorse> he *knows* cars
[18:11] <Roguehorse> and I *trust* him
[18:16] <blitz> trust is important with car problems
[18:16] <blitz> luckily I have a bunch of family mechanics
[18:17] <Roguehorse> yeah, I studied in JC 20 years ago but now?  Just the basics is all I mess with
[18:19] <Roguehorse> it will start and run but the idle and accell are all messed up
[18:19] <DonkeyHotei> this brings back a lot of memories: http://www.howardforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1347185.html
[18:19] <darthrobot> Title: [HOWTO: Use T-Zones to Get Unrestricted Internet on your Laptop Without Paying $30/mo [Archive] - HowardForums: Your Mobile Phone Community & Resource]
[18:19] <DonkeyHotei> i'm "dgi" in that thread
[18:20] <DonkeyHotei> specifically of interest is http://web.archive.org/web/20090106165650/http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/Slirp_Tunneled_over_SSH
[18:20] <darthrobot> Title: [Slirp Tunneled over SSH - Buici]
[18:22] <Roguehorse> TY, I'll keep those tricks in mind
[18:23] <Roguehorse> I'm actually suspecting a little less hassle since I've been more *open* about my situation
[18:23] <Roguehorse> who knows
[18:23] <DonkeyHotei> the shell script in question is now at http://danielg4.drivehq.com/danielg4/slirplink
[18:23] <darthrobot> [R: danielg4.firstcloudit.com] Content type: [application/x-msdownload] Size: [7368]
[18:24] <Roguehorse> got it, thanks =)
[18:25] <Roguehorse> at least I can download now ... they had that function blocked over the last few weeks from anything other than Tor
[18:25] <DonkeyHotei> this was all made mostly obsolete when ssh introduced -w
[18:26] <Roguehorse> ah man! Then why am I messing with it? I thought you were throwing me bones?
[18:27] <DonkeyHotei> well if one does not work there is the other
[18:27] <Roguehorse> good point +1 ... TY
[18:29] <Roguehorse> one of the worst parts of all this is the spoofing ... I don't know for sure *who* is sending me my text messages. The person I *think* it is or someone else MITM
[18:29] <Roguehorse> That's the biggest issue I've been dealing with for YEARS!
[18:30] <DonkeyHotei> there are many online text msg providers, no need to use your phone plan
[18:30] <Roguehorse> NOT my phone plan
[18:31] <Roguehorse> NOT my internet plan
[18:31] <Roguehorse> =(
[18:32] <Roguehorse> The internet, I think was planned from the beginning in all honesty
[18:32] <Roguehorse> kid you not
[18:32] <Roguehorse> so since 2008
[18:37] <Roguehorse> To be honest? When I switched to Linux in 2009 is when all HELL really broke loose. It got *really* ugly around the house..*REALLY* ugly
[18:41] <Roguehorse> why anyone would care that I don't use MS I have no idea...but it was a HUGE ordeal
[18:41] <Roguehorse> has been ever since
[18:45] <DonkeyHotei> so, then, you'll also be looking for a place to live that's wheelchair-accessible…
[18:47] <Roguehorse> kind of, yeah...I can use a cane but it's *REALLY* slow and *REALLY* painful
[18:49] <Roguehorse> this is all righ now, still waiting on doctors to try and figure something out ... maybe .. we don't know until I get the biopsy done
[18:50] <Roguehorse> I don't think it would be safe for me to live without someone I can *REALLY* trust nearby in my current condition
[18:50] <DonkeyHotei> in a more ideal world, the medical issues would wait until after the divorce
[18:51] <Roguehorse> I own 25% of the house so I'm stuck here for now with no income anyway
[18:51] <Roguehorse> they are .. no choice in it really .. county is pretty good for coverage but slow to move
[18:52] <Roguehorse> or MediCal anyway
[18:52] <DonkeyHotei> depends on which county
[18:53] <Roguehorse> Alameda
[18:53] <Roguehorse> my PCP appt is in Sep for referral
[18:54] <Roguehorse> I don't know if I can push it or not .. seems not .. in the meantime I'm just all messed up and on meds
[18:54] <DonkeyHotei> alameda is one of the better ones
[18:55] <Roguehorse> I know, I really want to stay living within Alameda
[18:56] <Roguehorse> Ohlone cut my Fall class so I don't even have that to look forward to
[18:57] <Roguehorse> I'm even scribbled in their Fall course book already but the Dean said she doesn't have the class on her schedule so I'm "off the hook" as she put it
[18:58] <Roguehorse> I'm supposed to teach LPIC-2 in the Spring and LPIC-1 in the Fall
[18:58] <Roguehorse> it's not a lot of money but hey, better than nothing
[19:02] <Roguehorse> when I got brought on I asked about my classes getting cut and I was *told* not to worry about it as the bundle all of CNET studenst together to make numbers for ALL classes
[19:03] <Roguehorse> since the entry level courses are always over full, I wouldn't have to concern with low enrollment
[19:03] <Roguehorse> maybe that only applied to everyone but me? =/
[19:06] <Roguehorse> Oh, I also got beat up BIG TIME for going to a private college ... all the years I was going
[19:07] <Roguehorse> the in-laws are BIG TIME union
[19:07] <Roguehorse> SEIU1021
[19:24] <Roguehorse> ...and people wonder why I have such a hard time quitting smoking ... HA! Try *my* life!
[19:30] <Roguehorse> huh, my Twitter followers just went down by 2 .. imagine that
[22:13] <nhaines> Roguehorse: https://xkcd.com/1181/
[22:13] <darthrobot> Title: [xkcd: PGP]
[22:13] <nhaines> If you want to be extra safe, check that there's a big block of jumbled characters at the bottom.
[22:13] <Roguehorse> LOL! Thanks bro =)
[22:15] <Roguehorse> added some new images to the website but waiting on my TTYL .... slow connection and I'm also trying to push through my firewall
[22:23] <Roguehorse> just going to have to wait it out
[22:25] <Roguehorse> Ugh, KDE Wallet started bugging me .... had to reconfigure it ... what a pita program
[22:27] <DonkeyHotei> i really, really tried to get into kde, multiple times over the years, but it's just, ugh
[22:32] <Roguehorse> Well, I started with 9.10 and I really liked GNOME2 .... but for whatever reason, KDE just really suits me.  Looks like my webpage updated .. =)
[22:50] <Roguehorse> http://www.roguehorse.net/gallery.html
[22:50] <darthrobot> Title: [Scott DuBois - Gallery]
[23:52] <Roguehorse> internet connection had to be reset ....  Comcast


[05:05] <yofel> uhm, does someone know what would go wrong to show "all builds successfull" for the libapogee2 build here: https://launchpad.net/~lightningstrike35/+archive/ppa/+packages ?
[05:05] <yofel> both builds failed
[08:07] <Myrth> hi, how do I install this package? https://launchpad.net/mysql-udf-regexp thanks
[08:10] <wgrant> yofel_: Bug #910482
[08:10] <yofel_> ah, thx
[08:12] <wgrant> Myrth: You'll need to contact the maintainer of that project.
[08:15] <Myrth> wgrant, thanks, i thought it as simple as ppa
[09:38] <KNRO> I'm getting a weird problem in launchpad, when I request a build, it fails upload because it says the .orig file already exists in the PPA but is being uploaded with different contents.. but I didn't change the contents at all?!! is this a bug?
[09:39] <tumbleweed> KNRO: clearly you did, or it wouldn't have given you that error :)
[09:41] <KNRO> tumbleweed: PRETTY sure I did not and this happened to several packages. Could this be an issue because it syncs the package from SVN?
[09:41] <KNRO> so may timestamp issue...etc? I don't know
[09:41] <tumbleweed> KNRO: if you are rebuilding the tarball, then yes
[09:45] <KNRO> tumbleweed: yes  the tarball is getting rebuilt by launchpad from source... so how to avoid this?
[09:46] <KNRO> Perhaps I can add a timestamp, then everytime it gets built it's unique
[09:46] <tumbleweed> KNRO: use 3.0 (native) rather than 3.0 (quilt)
[09:46] <KNRO> tumbleweed: use that where?
[09:47] <tumbleweed> although, I thought daily builds made that change automatically, these days.
[09:47] <tumbleweed> KNRO: debian/source/format
[09:47] <KNRO> and what will that do exactly?
[09:48] <tumbleweed> it won't try and share a .orig.tar.gz between upstream versions
[09:51] <KNRO> Tumbleweed: is 3.0 (quilt) default?
[09:52] <tumbleweed> no, 1.0 is. But 3.0 (quilt) is far more popular. See the dpkg-source manpage
[09:56] <KNRO> tumbleweed: Ok, just found that I didn't have debian/source to begin with, so I add 3.0 (quilt), would this avoid the 'different-content' problem?
[09:57] <tumbleweed> I think it'll force it to native during build
[10:08] <Ampelbein> Shouldn't that be "3.0 (native)" then?
[10:11] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: that's what I origionally suggested, but I think dailydeb does quilt -> native automatically
[10:13] <Ampelbein> Ah, yes. I see now.
[10:13] <Ampelbein> Sorry for the noise ;-)
[10:20] <KNRO> Tumbleweed: well, I still get the upload error. so now I made it explicitly 3.0 (native) and will see
[11:06] <wgrant> tumbleweed: We recently deployed a new version which does orig tarballs, so there's no implicit conversion any more.
[11:07] <czajkowski> morning all
[11:10] <wgrant> lifeless: Where are you guys?
[11:11] <wgrant> In the lounge *outside* security?
[11:13] <lifeless> wgrant: priority ass lounge past passport control
[11:25] <dusf> can somebody please tell me how to unsubscribe to a bug?
[11:25] <dusf> "You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
[11:25] <dusf> duplicate bug report (726496)."
[11:28] <dusf> but when i goto the link
[11:28] <dusf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745
[11:28] <dusf> it says
[11:29] <dusf> "You have subscriptions that may cause you to receive notifications, but you are not directly subscribed to this bug's notifications. "
[11:29] <ts2> go to the original bug page
[11:29] <dusf> ts2: how?
[11:30] <ts2> http://launchapd.net/bugs/726496
[11:30] <ts2> then you should find the option to unsubscribe (or mute)
[11:32] <iceroot> guys.... https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/184525  anyone able to fix that for me?
[11:33] <dusf> ts2: muted, thanks
[12:40] <tumbleweed> wgrant: oh, nice
[19:49] <ereslibre> hi there ! any idea why my launchpad-id is 'ereslibre-gmail-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount' ? It has been a long time I don't use launchpad but wanted to give it a try
[19:50] <EvilResistance> the 'deactivated account' part seems to explain itself
[19:51] <ereslibre> EvilResistance: twice ?
[19:51] <ereslibre> thing is, how it got deactivated and why
[20:23] <maxb> ereslibre: I don't know why it got that way, but you should be able to change it to something more sensible yourself, I believe


[03:53] <micahg> verbosity failure in /topic
[07:56] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[07:57] <micahg> I wanted to ask you about Build with -std=gnu++0x on Natty and newer for mozvoikko
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[08:31] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg, what was your question?
[08:50] <micahg> I wanted to ask you about Build with -std=gnu++0x on Natty and newer for mozvoikko
[08:51] <micahg> is this a new option or are we just moving it from the .pc file to d/rules?
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg, it's a new option
[08:52] <micahg> can we do with just enabling in oneiric and forward?
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg, no, it won't build without it on natty
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> it needs to match firefox
[08:53] <micahg> and we were already building firefox with that?
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yes, there is a configure check to do that
[08:54] <micahg> k, thanks
[09:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: uploaded mozvoikko with the tracking bug added, thanks
[19:43] <BUGabundo> oias
[19:48] <bhearsum> micahg/chrisccoulson: are you guys launching Fx 6 tomorrow, too?
[19:49] <micahg> bhearsum: for Natty, yes
[19:49] <bhearsum> sweet
[19:49] <micahg> we'll likely migrate maverick next week to 6, lucid will wait on 3.6.x EOL
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa and https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable ;)
[19:50] <bhearsum> huh, maverick is still alive?
[19:50] <bhearsum> and lucid?!
[19:51] <micahg> maverick is supported until Apr 2012, lucid until Apr 2013
[19:51] <bhearsum> wow
[19:51] <bhearsum> i guess that's not dissimilar to how we did things until recently
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:51] <micahg> right, which made stable release updates much easier :)
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, the LTS releases are supported for 3 years on the desktop
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> and the server team have it even worse (5 years)
[19:52] <bhearsum> yeah
[19:53] <bhearsum> just drop Firefox from server releases, heh
[19:53] <bhearsum> it's really not important there
[19:53] <micahg> it's only on the desktop
[19:53] <bhearsum> ah
[19:53] <bhearsum> what does the Firefox 6 code for Maverick/Lucid look like? is it much different than upstream?
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, there's not much difference
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, this is the main difference - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.maverick/view/head:/debian/patches/add-syspref-dir.patch
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> i dropped that patch from natty
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> and we don't turn on gio support in lucid or maverick (but that's actually the same as upstream)


[00:47] <cyphermox> cjwatson: I noticed you did some more upload, we should problably coordinate, I had been doing libtrycatch-perl
[03:09] <cyphermox> Logan: I'm curious, do you have plans to merge courier, it looks to me like you did last time (in raring) and you also touched it last... if you already use the package you'd be in a better position to test it after a merge than I would.
[03:11] <Logan> cyphermox: I don't use it, so go for it if you're interested
[03:11] <cyphermox> ok
[07:38] <Girish> Improved READMEs for File Manager App. Proposed a merge request. https://code.launchpad.net/~emailgirishrawat/ubuntu-filemanager-app/READMEs/+merge/281007
[12:10] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg1: Re: 1527860.  If I had to guess, I'd say http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-virtualbox/virtualbox-ext-pack.git/tree/debian/postinst#n27
[12:11] <Unit193> So, needs something like 'echo "License not accepted by user, aborting."
[12:11] <Unit193> '
[13:31] <cjwatson> cyphermox: well, I did a few more, TBH with perl transitions it's usually easiest to throw most of it at the buildds and sort out whatever remains at the end :)
[15:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi, can anybody please make arrayfire migrate in -release by removing powerpc?
[15:42] <LocutusOfBorg1> it is not supported and we already removed it on Debian
[19:28] <cyphermox> cjwatson: ack.
[19:35] <Noskcaj> How can i find out what packages i have upload rights for? I can upload 3 or 4 but can't remember what
[20:00] <Girish> Improved and expanded Ubuntu Doc Viewer's READMEs. Proposed a merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~emailgirishrawat/ubuntu-docviewer-app/READMEs/+merge/281013
[20:03] <Girish> Also, added a commit message(which was missing earlier) in the File manager app's READMEs merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~emailgirishrawat/ubuntu-filemanager-app/READMEs/+merge/281007
[21:12] <cyphermox> Noskcaj: it depends on the teams you're in, from there you may be able to retrieve it from the packageset that goes with that team (lemme look things up)
[21:13] <Noskcaj> cyphermox, It was just a few random packages that i worked on, nothing really team specific
[21:29] <dobey> cyphermox, Noskcaj: lp:ubuntu-archive-tools "./edit-acl query -p $lp_username"
[21:29] <cyphermox> ah, that's what I was looking for, I only noticed permssions-report
[21:29] <Noskcaj> thanks
[21:58] <Girish> When I'm trying to run an app in the emulator I'm getting the following errors: http://pastebin.com/BhY8vd6j
[21:59] <Girish> It's running fine with qmlscene
[22:54] <dobey> Girish: you are probably are better asking such questions in #ubuntu-app-devel


[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <nhaines> dholbach: morning!
[08:00] <nhaines> Today (tonight) I'm pretending to pack but instead I'm listening to Bad Voltage.  :)
[08:00] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[08:03] <nhaines> dholbach: In a month I'll be in here hosting a broadcast. :)
[08:03] <dholbach> wow, nice - which one is it going to be?
[08:03] <nhaines> LoCo Teams updates.
[08:03] <nhaines> I got to work with José Antonio Rey at SCALE, so I'm super excited to be working with him.  :)
[08:07] <dholbach> awesome :)


[10:09] <mup> Bug #1730626 opened: bond-lacp-rate set on any bond type <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730626>
[13:46] <dnegreira> I am trying to automate my nodes installation and I have one question.. when deploying a node, if I need to copy a file after the instalation is done, what is the best way to achieve that with MAAS? Lets say its a secret file which I need on the server to run a set of scripts to be ran by curtain with late_commands, is there any way to copy the files from the MAAS controller automagically?
[13:48] <dnegreira> The only way that I see it is that I need to maintain a custom image repository and have the file already inside of that image
[15:15] <[Kid]> anyone used maas and juju to deploy kubernetes?
[15:15] <[Kid]> i am having issues
[15:29] <roaksoax> [Kid]: what issues?
[15:29] <roaksoax> dnegreira: you can do that via a late_command or by passing cloud-init user-data
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1711760 changed: [2.3] resolv.conf is not set (during commissioning or testing) <verification-done> <verification-done-xenial> <MAAS:Fix Released by andreserl> <resolvconf (Ubuntu):Won't Fix> <resolvconf (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711760>
[16:16] <mup> Bug #1728309 changed: [2.3] Comissioning didn't remove disks that no longer exist <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1728309>
[16:16] <mup> Bug # opened: 1730690, 1730691, 1730693, 1730694, 1730697
[16:34] <mup> Bug #1730703 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] Rename the section "Settings" of machine details  to Configuration <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730703>
[16:49] <mup> Bug #1730704 opened: [2.3rc2, UX improvement] "Edit" is a vague link label in the Overview card <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730704>
[17:10] <mup> Bug #1730708 opened: [2.3rc2] Inconsistency between icons/state in machine listing and the hardware test section <2.3qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730708>
[17:40] <mup> Bug #1730708 changed: [2.3rc2] Inconsistency between icons/state in machine listing and the hardware test section <2.3qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730708>
[18:35] <din> hello, does anyone have experience with running a Rack Controller in a different VLAN than the one it is supposed to be managing?
[18:40] <mup> Bug #1431156 changed: When a custom image is added, multiple OS entries are created for it <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431156>
[18:40] <mup> Bug #1730089 changed: IPMI power cycle on power on <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730089>
[18:42] <roaksoax> din: yes
[18:43] <roaksoax> din: can you expand into what you are trying to do ?
[18:59] <din> roaksoax: I have a subnet for mixed VMs and bare metal (where MAAS lives) and a subnet dedicated for baremetal. The Rack Controller is currently set up to serve the mixed subnet, and all of MAAS is on one node
[19:00] <din> I have the DHCP/PXE requests forwarding fine (tcpdump looks good on that front) but I think the subnet in MAAS is not set up with a rack controller which is why the nodes are not provisioning
[19:01] <din> roaksoax: it won't let me select the current rack controller (which is probably intended) and I'm unsure exactly how to proceed. The docs seem thin here.
[19:57] <din>  For the archives, I got it working. You can have multiple subnets in a VLAN. I had a VLAN per subnet. So adding the desired subnet to the VLAN that was associated with the existing Rack Controller made it automagical.
[20:24] <[Kid]> roaksoax, i am doing a juju deploy and i have 7 "Ready" nodes in MAAS, but juju only spins up 4 of them
[20:25] <[Kid]> i have pointed it to a YAML that has all 7 machines in it.
[20:29] <roaksoax> din: they could not be provisioning because the machine may not be able to communicate to the region
[20:29] <roaksoax> [Kid]: that's probably because of the constraints. What are the hardware details for your machines ? are you using any extra constraints
[20:29] <roaksoax> ?
[20:44] <[Kid]> hardware is plenty
[20:44] <[Kid]> 10+ cores and 96GB+ of RAM
[20:44] <[Kid]> no extra constraints on model or deployment
[20:49] <mup> Bug #1730751 opened: LACP rate fast by default <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730751>
[21:01] <roaksoax> [Kid]: are they in the same "zone " ?
[21:04] <[Kid]> yes, they are
[21:04] <[Kid]> i just have the default zone
[21:42] <roaksoax> [Kid]: how are youjuju deploy, what if you deploy mahcines with maas directly via the api or cli
[21:42] <[Kid]> that works.
[21:43] <[Kid]> it is something between juju and maas
[21:43] <roaksoax> [Kid]: enable juju debug logging and see what juju is doing
[21:44] <[Kid]> what is that?
[21:44] <[Kid]> juju debug-log?
[21:44] <[Kid]> that just shows it
[21:44] <roaksoax> [Kid]: yeah, see what requests juju makes and what's going om
[21:54] <[Kid]> ahh i gotcha.
[21:54] <[Kid]> i will try that
[21:54] <[Kid]> thankas


[03:44] <lunalimezest> daftykins: ah nope
[03:44] <lunalimezest> just a Swede that ended up here
[08:52] <zxmpi> oh no the vikings are back!! :-P
[13:02] <penguin42> bit blustery up here
[13:04] <lunalimezest> here in Notts too
[13:04] <zxmpi> code yellow wind warning covering all of ireland
[13:05] <zxmpi> a few without power as well https://powercheck.esbnetworks.ie/
[13:07] <penguin42> https://grid.iamkate.com/  wind gen doing well
[13:08] <zxmpi> https://www.smartgriddashboard.com/#all same
[13:11] <penguin42> I think we're using your second hand wind
[13:14] <zxmpi> we're uk's windbreak
[13:14] <penguin42> you take our wind, and then sell us the electricity you made from it!
[13:15] <zxmpi> as a kid i remember throwing handful of gravel off cliffs of moher and watching the stones float up in the wind. https://imgur.com/gallery/5hadtkT
[13:16] <penguin42> nice cliffs; wouldn't get me that close to the edge
[13:17] <zxmpi> leaned over the edge with someone sitting on my legs and wind pushing me up while my arms were out stretched. was fun
[13:18] <zxmpi> and when you leaned out you could see underneath the overhang you were on and wonder at what point it was going to fall
[13:19] <zxmpi> if they ever make a wave power system that can survive the atlantic ireland won't need any fossil fuels
[13:32] <penguin42> zxmpi: There's a few that have got funding for grid connection in the top of Scotland
[13:36] <zxmpi> am keeping an eye on those, will be fun to see if they're still in use in 10 years
[13:37] <penguin42> yeh
[13:37] <zxmpi> have seen a lot of shiny new equipment put down by sea in harbour where i grew up getting destroyed by a 'bit of weather'
[13:37] <penguin42> they're small but they are on the full grid thing rather than just a test
[13:37] <daftykins> zxmpi: ah don't leave us on a cliffhanger!
[13:38] <daftykins> :D
[13:38] <zxmpi> :-)
[22:34] <davef> I don't want to alarm you all, but you might want to hide the Jaffa cakes.
[22:35] <daftykins> uh oh - how much time do we have?
[22:35] <davef> 3 days
[22:36] <daftykins> i'll assemble the channel island jaffa cake protection force
[22:36] <daftykins> zxmpi: be sure to inform your government
[22:41] <davef> I'll have to go easy on the sweet treats anyway, rest assured, the consumption won't be anything like the last.
[22:42] <davef> I have an emergency appointment with the dentist tomorrow. Toothache from the moment I started my Christmas vacation.
[22:42] <daftykins> oh was there a hotel / family spare bedroom with you sprawled out and empty boxes strewn everywhere? xD
[22:42] <daftykins> oh no! that's murphy's law right there
[22:42] <daftykins> hope you get sorted in time
[22:42] <daftykins> i'm still deaf in one ear with extreme tinnitus, one month on - had a crazy ear infection after attempts to unclog wax
[22:43] <davef> I wasn't hopeful to get an appointment. I don't have a regular dentist, I just went to the nearest dental surgery near the office and begged them to help.
[22:44] <davef> Anyway, they've been very accommodating getting me to see the doc.
[22:44] <daftykins> you needed some jaffa cake bribery!
[22:55] <penguin42> Mr Pliers has a few vacancies....
[22:57]  * davef shudders
[23:07] <daftykins> what an unfortunate name for a dentist ;)
[23:52] <zxmpi> mr. gummy was busy :-P


[00:29] <ex0a> can anyone point me in the right direction in fixing grub after an update to 12.10 broke it? (using dmraid) boot-repair output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1298956/
[00:31] <tsimpson> ex0a: 12.10 support is now in #ubuntu
[00:32] <ex0a> err i meant to join #ubuntu-bugs anyway
[05:03] <tdignan> so I noticed a feature in either unity or firefox that is bothering me. It happens only with firefox, not other windows. When I maximize firefox, it automatically warps to my monitor with larger resolution. Other windows don't do this.
[05:03] <tdignan> how do I disable this behavior?
[05:06] <tdignan> oh god.
[05:06] <tdignan> it looks like this is a 'bug' in firefox that's been around since like, 2004
[05:06] <tdignan> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264030
[05:22] <tdignan> can be fixed by dragging a tab over to the other monitor and maximizing it!
[05:22] <tdignan> but pretty funny, that it's been active for 8 years.
[10:45] <IdleOne> I wonder if the lag I have been experience in xchat has anything to do with upgrading to +1. Seems to have started right after i switched sources
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:06] <johnjohn101> !schedule
[15:15] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, apparently the toolchain is already up , but I've only been able install 8 or 9 packages so far , altho the install now IDs as 13.04
[15:40] <johnjohn1011> Blueskai:  i was just curious about the schedule.  wanted to see about when i can start loading this. usually start with alpha 2 plus a few weeks
[18:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:23] <FernandoMiguel> $ lsb_release -a
[19:23] <FernandoMiguel> Description:	Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch)
[19:23] <FernandoMiguel> Release:	13.04
[19:23] <FernandoMiguel> Cc BluesKaj
[19:25] <BluesKaj> hi FernandoMiguel , got your email / google+
[19:26] <FernandoMiguel> ahahhahah
[19:26] <FernandoMiguel> sorry for the spam :D
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> Setting up base-files (6.11ubuntu1) ...
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> Configuration file `/etc/os-release'
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: could you try that?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, lsb_configure -a shows 13.04 as does /etc/os-release , but there were only 8 or 9 packages to install
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> $ apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: 1.287
[19:38] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu load page shows 13.04 as well
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, UI comes MUCH later
[19:41] <BluesKaj> I'm on kde ,   Installed: 1.263  Candidate: 1.263
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ubuntu-desktop:  Installed: (none)  Candidate: 1.287
[19:53] <genii-around> kubuntu ninjas doesn't have raring yet, bleh
[20:48] <smallfoot-> so ubuntu doesn't support ICC color profile loading?
[20:49] <smallfoot-> nothing seem to happen when I use the color thing in control panel
[20:49] <smallfoot-> it cant load .icc profiles
[20:50] <trism> smallfoot-: I haven't really played with it but System Settings/Color/Add Profile/Other profile... prompts for an icc profile
[20:51] <smallfoot-> yeah i know
[20:51] <smallfoot-> then i try load one, but it dont load one
[20:52] <smallfoot-> then when i click on calibrate "This method hasn't yet been implemented."
[20:53] <trism> hmm
[20:56] <trism> bug 853056 doesn't sound good
[20:57] <trism> according to http://askubuntu.com/questions/69230/how-to-install-colour-profile-screen-device-not-listed you can use: dispwin filename.icc;


[02:04] <imgbot> [03:04] <imgbot> [03:29] <imgbot> [03:29] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [06:48] <robru> Mirv: alright I'm out. good luck today
[06:59] <bzoltan> Mirv:  would you assign a silo to the line 67 please?
[07:07] <Mirv> robru: thanks
[07:07] <Mirv> bzoltan: Train is offline today unfortunately until some time in the afternoon.
[07:08] <Mirv> bzoltan: in case of urgency, manual releases could be made by merging by hand to the trunk etc
[08:16] <bzoltan> Mirv:  it is not that urgent... thanks
[09:02] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can RTM silo 11 be published, please?
[09:02] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sorry, CI Train is currently 'disabled' (as per the topic and announcement)
[09:03] <sil2100> We're waiting for all the issues getting sorted out by IS
[09:03] <oSoMoN> sil2100, ah, right, sorry I forgot about that
[09:31] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I guess since there's no immediate deadline it's not urgent (we could copy manually)
[09:37] <oSoMoN> Mirv, it’s not super urgent indeed, it can wait until the CI train is back online
[11:07] <sil2100> psivaa_: hey, how are ci-train-bot things going?
[11:07] <psivaa_> sil2100: just a sec, let me find out.
[11:24] <sil2100> davmor2: how's the testing finalizing?
[11:38] <davmor2> sil2100: we will talk about it at the landing meeting as per jibel's suggestion that give me plenty of time regards mako then :)
[11:39] <sil2100> As you prefer, we'll have to keep the same quality-check standards for future vivid promotions as well
[11:40] <sil2100> davmor2: you checked bluetooth on utopic manta?
[11:40] <sil2100> :)
[11:41] <davmor2> sil2100: yes and it is broken there too, checking alarms and media too on manta while test mako
[11:41] <sil2100> phew
[11:41] <sil2100> I mean, not that it's good, but at least it's not something new
[11:44] <davmor2> sil2100: so media wise video doesn't work locally on utopic but audio does and on vivid it seems to be the other way around but I'll double check that too
[11:50] <sil2100> huh
[12:05] <psivaa_> sil2100: just to update, #is is working on it still, please feel free to ping the cihelp at the time for more updates when you need it :)
[12:08] <sil2100> psivaa_: thanks o/
[12:08] <davmor2> sil2100: alarms work on manta in utopic so that is a regression \o/
[12:09] <sil2100> davmor2: I wouldn't be happy about that!
[12:10] <sil2100> This means we have a regression in #39 and this can become a blocker
[12:10] <davmor2> sil2100: only effecting manta though so I will retest that too
[12:10] <sil2100> Which means we won't have a promotion this week as images #40+ don't pass sanity on mako
[13:02]  * sil2100 goes to lunch
[14:44] <tvoss> trainguards, silo 11 seems to take a loooong time for preparing packages
[14:44] <sil2100> tvoss: please see topic and e-mail announcement
[14:44] <sil2100> Train is down
[14:45] <tvoss> sil2100, ah okay
[14:45] <tvoss> sil2100, sorry for the noise then :)
[14:45] <sil2100> But since IS did their part, I suppose we might be able to get it back up soon
[14:59] <ogra_> coal is being refilled right now :)
[15:32] <pstolowski> trainguards hello, may i ask for publishing of silo 012?
[15:32] <sil2100> pstolowski: not yet!
[15:32] <sil2100> pstolowski: see topic, Train still dead ;)
[15:34] <pstolowski> sil2100, oh ah, ok thanks
[16:19] <bfiller> sil2100: can I have rtm silos for line 65 and 66 when you have a chance?
[16:19] <ogra_> bfiller, train still not running i think
[16:20] <sil2100> bfiller: we'll do that once the train is back
[16:20] <ogra_> (see topic)
[16:20] <bfiller> ogra_: ah, ok, thanks
[16:26] <robru> queuebot: no!
[16:48] <mterry> robru, so the wizard-in-u8 silo is ready, but I guess there are CI train problems today?
[16:49] <robru> mterry: yep, no train just yet. we're working on getting it back up. if you're in a hurry you can copyPackage the packages yourself.
[16:49] <mterry> naw
[16:49] <mterry> I'll do it proper like
[16:57] <sil2100> slangasek: hey!
[16:57] <slangasek> sil2100: hi there
[16:57] <sil2100> slangasek: can you add the ~ci-train-bot user to the ~ci-train-ppa-service team?
[16:58] <sil2100> It's the new user that's replacing ps-jenkins
[16:58] <slangasek> sil2100: this is the account that will be used to do the jenkins uploads to the ppas?
[16:59] <sil2100> Yes
[17:00] <slangasek> sil2100: then I imagine I should remove the ps-jenkins account from the team at the same time
[17:01] <slangasek> sil2100: done
[17:04] <sil2100> slangasek: thanks!
[17:05] <ogra_> sil2100, harps ?
[17:06] <sil2100> OH SHIT
[17:06] <popey> is it me or is nobody talking?
[17:06] <ogra_> i even thought i had a still of davmor2
[17:06] <ogra_> but then he moved
[17:21] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1398945   https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1398961  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/1399247
[17:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1398945 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Alarms are not set on manta devices" [Critical,New]
[17:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1398961 in Media Hub "Manta vivid 39 no music plays either from the scope or from the music app however it does from grooveshark" [Undecided,New]
[17:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1399247 in android (Ubuntu) "Blue tooth on manta doesn't work" [Undecided,New]
[17:36] <sil2100> ogra_, jibel, davmor2: Rick gave a +1 on promotion, but only if we clearly communicate that manta needs more work and what is broken
[17:37] <jibel> sil2100, works for me
[17:37] <ogra_> yeah, just stuff the three bugs in the landing mail
[17:37] <jibel> sil2100, and indicate which ones are regression
[17:37] <jibel> s
[17:37] <rsalveti> yeah, manta was kind of always broken during the previous cycle
[17:37] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, but it regressed in new areas
[17:38] <ogra_> while others got fixed
[17:38] <rsalveti> right
[17:38] <ogra_> and we usually dont want to promote with regressions
[17:38] <davmor2> sil2100: \o/
[17:38] <ogra_> else Ursinha will come and shout again at us :P
[17:38] <rsalveti> right, it's fine to promote as vivid
[17:38] <rsalveti> but I guess devel will also reflect that
[17:39] <ogra_> err,yes, this is about the first promotion to devel
[17:39] <sil2100> ;p
[17:39] <ogra_> so people finally get a vivid based image
[17:40] <Ursinha> ogra_: hahaha
[17:46] <ogra_> davmor2, so this is: manta, mako, flo and generic 39 ... generic_x86 at 41 and krillin at 45, right ?
[17:47] <davmor2> ogra_: oh is emulator higher than 39 then?  I test 39 across the board except krillin
[17:47] <ogra_> ouch
[17:48] <ogra_> the armhf emulator is 39
[17:48] <davmor2> ogra_: give me 5 I can test 41 on emulator
[17:48] <ogra_> the x86 one doesnt seem to be
[17:49] <ogra_> sigh
[17:49] <ogra_> the importer got in my way
[18:17] <ogra_> mako, manta, flo and krillin promoted ... waitng for feedback from davmor2 for generic_x86 before doing the emulator images
[18:17] <sil2100> Eeeek
[18:17] <sil2100> EEEK
[18:17] <sil2100> Ok
[18:17] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks!
[18:17] <popey> mhall119: ^^
[18:18] <ogra_> note that the devel alias doesnt point to vivid yet
[18:18] <mhall119> popey: an update?
[18:18] <ogra_> (so mhall119 wont get an update offered yet)
[18:18] <popey> ahhh
[18:18]  * mhall119 is on rtm
[18:18] <popey> sucks to be you mhall119 ☻
[18:18] <sil2100> It doesn't?
[18:19] <ogra_> sil2100, no, only after we have an image in a channel we can point the alias to it
[18:19] <mhall119> do I need to re-flash to vivid? I was starting to enjoy stability and bug fixes
[18:19] <ogra_> mhall119, dunno, ask popey, he brought that up
[18:19] <ogra_> if he wants you to ...
[18:19] <mhall119> popey gives bad advice like "reflash to devel-proposed"
[18:20] <sil2100> ogra_: ah, sorry, I misread, I thought it was about devel-proposed
[18:20]  * popey also gives good advice like "buy another phone" ☻
[18:20] <sil2100> duh
[18:21] <ogra_> sil2100, i dont want the alias switched if the emulators are not released
[18:21] <ogra_> so we have to wait a bit
[18:45] <davmor2> ogra_: looks like it has built now give me 5
[18:45] <ogra_> yeah, take your time
[18:52] <robru> nobody reads channel topics eh?
[19:03] <davmor2> ogra_: it works as well as 39 did :) emulator complete the guide and apps open
[19:04] <ogra_> awesome, let me promote the rest then
[19:11] <kenvandine> robru, is the train back on the rails?  i see you created my silo
[19:11] <kenvandine> can i build it?
[19:17] <sil2100> ogra_: will you also switch devel to vivid as well?
[19:17] <ogra_> i'll ask stgraber to do that ... once i can actually promote
[19:17] <ogra_> the importer job is mad ...
[19:17] <robru> kenvandine: only prepare-silo is back on the rails, builds can't work yet as the GPG key isn't in place yet.
[19:18] <kenvandine> ok
[19:19] <kenvandine> robru, ok, thx
[19:19] <robru> kenvandine: should be soon. fingers crossed
[19:33] <ogra_> sil2100, devel will point to vivid with the next importer run
[19:33] <ogra_> [19:33] <ogra_> (this is: manta, mako, flo and generic 39 ... generic_x86 41 and krillin 45)
[19:35] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks! :)
[19:41] <sil2100> ogra_: btw. in vivid/devel we keep the image numbers, right?
[19:42] <ogra_> how do you mean "keep" ?
[19:42] <ogra_> they increase automatically with every promotion
[19:42] <sil2100> ogra_: I mean, when promoting #39 it's promoted as #39, not as #1 etc.
[19:43] <ogra_> no
 [19:43] <sil2100> Ah, sorry, missed that ;)
[19:43] <ogra_> :)
[19:43] <sil2100> Ok, since in the past we were keeping those
[19:43] <sil2100> And only rewrote those for ubuntu-rtm
[19:43] <ogra_> yeah but that gets chaotic ... i will try to keep the arches in sync this way
[19:44] <ogra_> so that image 1 is the same across the board on all devices
[19:44] <ogra_> else we would already have different numbering on the first image
[19:48] <ogra_> sil2100, wow and the ML archive is speedy today :)
[19:48] <sil2100> Yeah ;) Just shared it, not sure what rules apply to that!
[19:48] <ogra_> must be all that spare compute power from the train standing still
[19:48] <sil2100> :D
[19:48] <sil2100> Ok, I run away now
[19:48]  * ogra_ too
[19:57] <robru> oooooh
[19:58] <robru> what?
[20:07] <robru> that's enough of that
[20:08] <robru> thankfully those merges are supposed to be happening and that's not some heinous mistake. but either the ssh keys are wrong or the bot isn't in the right teams yet...
[20:10] <pmcgowan> silos seems very quiet, is that due to lab move?
[20:13] <robru> pmcgowan: not exactly...
[20:13] <robru> bregma: hey are you around? can you add ci-train-bot to https://launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/+members and drop ps-jenkins from there?
[20:14] <robru> it's needed for merging
[20:14] <bregma> robru, must I really do work?
[20:14] <robru> bregma: only if you want citrain to merge your branches for you
[20:14] <robru> bregma: probably less work than merging your own branches by hand
[20:16] <bregma> robru I already do a practice merge by hand, I only use ci-train to look like one of the Big Boys
[20:16] <bregma> anyways, changes made
[20:16] <bregma> is ci-train back up and running again?
[20:17] <robru> bregma: kind of almost. just checking a few things
[20:17] <robru> bregma: thanks
[20:18] <robru> kenvandine: moment of truth: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-rtm-landing-004-1-build/81/console
[20:21] <robru> damnit
[20:34] <robru> kenvandine: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-rtm-landing-004-1-build/82/console ok trying again with the right GPG key in place
[20:34] <kenvandine> robru, thx
[20:40] <robru> kenvandine: ok your package is in the PPA, so that means we're officially back online.
[20:40] <kenvandine> WOOT
[20:40] <kenvandine> thanks :)
[20:56] <robru> kenvandine: you're welcome
[20:57] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, CI working again?
[21:00] <robru> pmcgowan: yes, it's back up
[21:00] <pmcgowan> great
[21:02] <robru> oh
[21:06] <robru> those failures look like some kind of false positive. things seem to be working. ghost in the machine
[21:07] <robru> boom
[21:07] <rsalveti> robru: is it officially back?
[21:07] <rsalveti> if so, would be nice to have an email
[21:07] <robru> rsalveti: it is officially back. the email is being written
[21:07] <robru> rsalveti: I'm off for lunch
[21:08] <robru> go nuts ;-)
[21:08] <rsalveti> cool, time to stress the system
[21:09] <cjwatson> bregma: I missed one from the protobuf transition set so compiz will be stuck in -proposed a bit longer, but I just uploaded it so hopefully that'll clear in an hour or two
[21:17] <Ursinha> rsalveti: check your inbox, you should have at least three
[21:17] <rsalveti> Ursinha: yeah, already saw it, thanks :-)
[21:17] <Ursinha> np
[21:18] <rsalveti> time to start landing things again :-)
[21:19] <Ursinha> rsalveti: if you notice anything odd, let us know
[21:20] <Ursinha>  it might be the case a team or another is missing being added to the citrain bot user, we're working on it right now
[21:20] <rsalveti> yup, should know soon
[21:35] <camako> Ursinha, I still see the "Jenkins is going to shut down" message on s-jenkins site
[21:36] <oSoMoN> trainguards: I’ve read that the train is back on tracks, can RTM silo 11 be published, please?
[21:39] <robru> oSoMoN: I'm not sure how to interpret that bug, is it approved for ota1?
[21:40] <bfiller> robru: need silos for 65-67 when you have a chance
[21:41] <Ursinha> camako: s-jenkins is still being worked on
[21:42] <camako> kgunn ^^
[21:42] <kgunn> camako: we're always special :)
[21:43] <bfiller> robru: thank you! also can ubutnu silo 24 be published now? not sure if everything is back up for it
[21:43] <robru> bfiller: should be, just catching up with backlog
[21:43] <robru> mterry: gosh can you ack your own diffs? ;-)
[21:44] <mterry> robru, sure, i do when uploading to main :)
[21:44] <oSoMoN> robru, it is
[21:44] <robru> mterry: oh there's a conflict with silo 12, who gets to go first?
[21:45] <robru> mterry: whoever doesn't go first has to rebuild and retest.
[21:45] <oSoMoN> robru, the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1395748, it has the ww51 milestone set
[21:45] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1395748 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu RTM) "Crash going back twice while loading a page" [High,In progress]
[21:45] <mterry> robru, his was first in the spreadsheet...
[21:45] <robru> oSoMoN: ok, I was not aware that "ww51" is the same as "ota1"
[21:46] <robru> mterry: he's also not around to rebuild and retest ;-)
[21:46] <robru> mterry: mind if I publish his first?
[21:46] <mterry> robru, fair
[21:46] <mterry> sure go crazy
[21:46] <oSoMoN> robru, technically, they’re not the same, but everything that goes in ww51 will be in ota1 for sure
[21:46] <robru> ugh, merges unapproved
[21:47] <robru> oSoMoN: thanks for clarifying
[21:47] <oSoMoN> robru, and thanks to you for publishing :)
[21:48] <robru> oSoMoN: you're welcome
[21:48] <robru> mterry: ok publishing your instead because the other one isn't approved
[21:48] <mterry> robru, muhaha
[21:48] <mterry> robru, ok I will also upload the seed change then
[21:49] <robru> mterry: go for it
[21:49] <Ursinha> kgunn: camako, the s-jenkins problem affects a lot of projects :) you are special of course, but it's not exclusive this time :P
[21:51] <kgunn> lol
[22:52] <robru> mterry: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8 naughty!
[22:52] <mterry> robru, what the..
[22:53] <mterry> robru, both look like a problem with oxideqt-codecs not being available
[22:54] <mterry> robru, I don't think that's specific to my upload nor will it likely only hold up mine
[22:54] <robru> mterry: dunno.
[22:54] <robru> hmmm
[22:54] <mterry> robru, I have to head out now though
[22:54] <mterry> robru, I'll help tomorrow morning
[22:54] <robru> mterry: alright, goodnight
[23:25] <michi> cihelp: any update on what’s happening with Jenkins? It’s been shutting down and not building anything for 24 hours now.
[23:26] <robru> michi: which jenkins?
[23:27] <retoaded> s-jenkins
[23:27] <fginther> michi, it's still shutdown and we're dealing with at least one hardware issue
[23:27] <michi> http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/
[23:27] <robru> michi: ah, not my area. ci-train jenkins is up and running! ;-)
[23:27] <michi> fginther: OK. Any ETA?
[23:27] <fginther> michi, we're working to get the part that doesn't require that hardware working today
[23:27] <michi> OK, cool, thanks!
[23:28] <fginther> michi, testing on phones will be offline until at least another 12 hours I think, possibly longer
[23:29] <michi> Cool with me. But it would be nice if the normal amd64, i386, and arm builds would work.
[23:29] <fginther> michi, I'll post an update out to ubuntu-phone and some other mailing lists
[23:29] <michi> Thanks!


[02:18] <pietro10> Hi. is there anyting in libav**-53 that is not in libav**-extra-53? just wondering before I go ahead and install the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage. Thanks.
[02:25] <zequence> pietro10: Don't think many people has investigated, but I would assume nothing would be uninstalled if you added those?
[02:26] <zequence> ah, I see
[02:26] <zequence> conflicts
[02:27] <pietro10> right
[02:27] <zequence> pietro10: What are you needing libav*extra-53 for?
[02:28] <pietro10> it's part of ubuntustudio-audio
[02:28] <pietro10> installing packages that provide the indivudal software components :
[02:28] <pietro10> :/
[02:30] <zequence> pietro10: I think you can hardly avoid installing libav*extra-53
[02:31] <zequence> A lot of packages depend on it
[02:32] <zequence> pietro10: I should ask, what are you needing libav**53 for?
[02:34] <pietro10> I just wanted to know if extra lacked anything that was in the default
[02:34] <zequence> pietro10: It seems mplayer will be broken
[02:34] <zequence> But, other than that, I don't expect there would be a problem
[02:34] <pietro10> no I mean in the libraries themselves
[02:35] <zequence> Well, you can look at the packages to find out :)
[02:35] <pietro10> the package descriptions are identical
[02:35] <zequence> Since mplayer breaks, I expect there is some kind of diff
[02:35] <pietro10> http://packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/libavcodec-extra-52.html says " This package contains a unrestricted version of the libavcodec shared object that should only be used by Debian packages. "
[02:36] <pietro10> not sure what they mean by unrestricted
[02:36] <zequence> But, mplayer doesn't depend on it, after all
[02:39] <pietro10> ok so extra just has more stuff :/
[02:39] <pietro10> thanks anyway
[15:06] <XRS1>  /join #facebook
[15:06] <XRS1> oops
[16:36] <ubuntu> hi
[16:36] <Guest25908> hi
[16:37] <Guest25908> i am using ubuntu studio first time
[16:38] <Guest25908> can i use my usb tv stick with this?
[16:38] <zequence> Guest25908: Best way to find out is to try it
[16:39] <zequence> Guest25908: If it doesn't work, there is a chance that you need to do something to get it to work, in which case google is your friend :)
[16:40] <zequence> Guest25908: It's the same on all Ubuntu platforms, concerning a device like that
[16:43] <Guest25908> i have tried many times on other versions of  ubuntu
[16:44] <Guest25908> and i dont have any hope
[16:45] <zequence> Guest25908: What model is it?
[16:46] <Guest25908> its enter tv usb stick
[16:49] <Guest25908> earlier i have tried with pinnacle internal card in my desktop it was success and worked with tv time and some other applications
[16:55] <zequence> Guest25908: Yea, I don't know much about TV tuner cards, but this one does not seem to have a lot of information
[16:55] <zequence> At least not for Linux
[18:11] <cjohnston> ScottL doesn't seem to be around.. does anyone know if the blueprints for Studio Raring are all setup and ready for status.ubuntu.com?
[18:13] <zequence> cjohnston: It's already done
[18:13] <cjohnston> thanks zequence.. just checking
[18:13] <zequence> cjohnston: I'm taking care of that for the most part. May I ask what your interest in that is :)?
[18:13] <cjohnston> zequence: I maintain status.ubuntu.com
[18:14] <cjohnston> did you see the email I sent out a couple of days ago?
[18:14] <zequence> cjohnston: hmm, nope. Let me find it..
[18:15] <cjohnston> zequence: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-November/036149.html
[18:15] <cjohnston> fwiw, you may want to sign up to ubuntu-devel
[18:16] <zequence> cjohnston: I got it, but I need to be better at going through my mail
[18:16] <cjohnston> zequence: do all of the blueprints that are related to Ubuntu Studio follow the ubuntustudio-r-<something> this cycle? if so, I can get rid of all of the foundations, app-dev, desktop stuff
[18:16] <zequence> Or, filtering it, that is
[18:17] <cjohnston> I have a feeling that the number of work items you guys actually have for ubuntu studio are artificially inflated by a few members of the team
[18:17] <zequence> cjohnston: All of our blueprints for raring are accepted. I was at #ubuntu-release a couple of days ago for that
[18:18] <zequence> No, I would say all of our workitems are good
[18:18] <zequence> What we did was we separated non release blueprints (stuff that doesn't end up on the ISO)
[18:18] <cjohnston> zequence: are all of the things that are foundations-r actually related to Ubuntu Studio?
[18:19] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/ubuntustudio-dev.html  <--- is where I'm referring to
[18:19] <cjohnston> the topic seems to only have 42 work items, where the team itself has almost 180.
[18:20] <zequence> cjohnston: I don't know what those blueprints are about tbh. We only registered the ubuntustudio-r-* ones
[18:21] <cjohnston> ok.. I'll work on getting them removed to clean up the team
[18:21] <cjohnston> if I can
[18:22] <cjohnston> thanks for your help zequence
[18:23] <zequence> cjohnston: np. Still trying to figure out how ubuntustudio-dev is involved in that
[22:58] <studio-user578> aiutoooo
[22:59] <studio-user578> c'è nessuno


[03:08] <callmepk> Good Morning
[03:19] <duflu> Hi callmepk
[03:21] <callmepk> Hi duflu
[03:46] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master d1a1f5c Robert Ancell debian/ changelog patches/series patches/0027-window-Stop-using-HdyLeaflet.patch patches/0028-applications-Fix-only-connected-snap-interfaces-show.patch * https://deb.li/3kM6M
[03:46] <KGB-2> * debian/patches/0027-window-Stop-using-HdyLeaflet.patch:
[03:46] <KGB-2>   - Disable adaptive layouts, theres some bugs and they're not required on
[03:46] <KGB-2>     desktop (LP: #1871195)
[03:46] <KGB-2> * debian/patches/0028-applications-Fix-only-connected-snap-interfaces-show.patch:
[03:46] <KGB-2>   - Fix disconnected snap interfaces not showing (LP: #1870600)
[03:57] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center Robert Ancell 155549 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/dcZc
[04:18] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 5d361e4 Robert Ancell debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * https://deb.li/3PVIl
[04:18] <KGB-2> * debian/patches/0029-applications-Use-new-snapd-glib-API-for-labelling-Sn.patch:
[04:18] <KGB-2> * debian/control:
[04:18] <KGB-2>   - Use shared names for snap interfaces, fixing some interfaces that don't
[04:18] <KGB-2>     have labels.
[05:49] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center Gunnar Hjalmarsson 155563 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/3ZBHh
[06:04] <jibel> hi $world
[06:11] <duflu> Hello jibel
[06:12] <jibel> good morning duflu
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning
[06:26] <duflu> hi didrocks
[06:26] <duflu> biab
[06:26] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:28] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:29] <callmepk> Hi seb128
[06:29] <didrocks> salut seb128
[06:34] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Gunnar Hjalmarsson * [update] merge request !14: Revert the "Alternate Characters Key" commit temporarily * https://deb.li/3ryUn
[06:37] <Trevinho> hi seb128 maybe you can help to get https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/-/merge_requests/6  in debian? :)
[06:37] <seb128> hey callmepk, lut didrocks, Trevinho
[06:38] <seb128> Trevinho, up early or really late? and sure let me have a look
[06:38] <Trevinho> mh late xD
[06:40]  * seb128 hugs Trevinho, brave man, getting the work done
[06:41] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:41] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Gunnar Hjalmarsson * [update] merge request !14: Revert the "Alternate Characters Key" commit temporarily * https://deb.li/3ryUn
[06:42] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[06:43] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, peu dormi mais ça va, et toi?
[06:44] <seb128> je manque un peu de sommeil aussi, mais ça va sinon
[06:49] <duflu> Morning seb128, Trevinho and oSoMoN
[06:49] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:49] <duflu> seb128, doing relatively well considering a short sleep. You?
[06:50] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:50] <duflu> Oh, same
[06:50] <oSoMoN> we're all in the same boat it seems :)
[07:01] <marcustomlinson> good morning callmepk duflu jibel didrocks seb128 Trevinho oSoMoN
[07:01] <marcustomlinson> :)
[07:02] <jibel> salut marcustomlinson
[07:03] <oSoMoN> hey marcustomlinson
[07:06] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:06] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:07] <marcustomlinson> seb128: tiiiiiired. you? ;)
[07:07] <seb128> a bit tired, just lockdown and streched work hours, not comparable to your tired :p
[07:09] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Still there?
[07:10] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, in a meeting but here.
[07:11] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Ok. I messed it up when trying to squash, but at least I think I rebased the MR so it's merge'able.
[07:11] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, cool, thanks!
[07:12] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Will you merge/upload later?
[07:12] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, I asked seb128 to have a look at it, he's planning on doing a g-c-c upload
[07:12] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, did you update the changelog?
[07:13] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Yes.
[07:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, GunnarHj, it's on my list for this morning
[07:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great! Sorry, but squashing isn't my thing...
[07:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, neither mine to be honest :)
[08:04] <Laney> moin
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:10] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:10] <Laney> not bad
[08:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:12] <Laney> sunny again!
[08:12] <Laney> you?
[08:12] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:13] <seb128> alright, a bit tired but it's almost freeze and then one day to w.e :)
[08:17] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson and Laney
[08:17] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[08:22] <Laney> gude daye duflue ande marcustomlinsone
[09:11] <jibel> Laney, FYI i'll have another upload of ubiquity after I'm done with bug 1856422
[09:12] <Laney> jibel: ok, you should sync up with xnox I think for the kernel stuff
[09:12] <jibel> Laney, also I suppoed you noticed but just to be sure I assigned bug 1873146 to you
[09:12] <jibel> suppose*
[09:13] <Laney> yes, thanks boss!
[09:15] <xnox> Laney:  i think after livecd-rootfs migrates, and we respin we are actually done for the .0 release.
[09:16] <xnox> Laney: there is no stray kernels left, and we only ever installs hwe one.
[09:16] <Laney> oh
[09:16] <xnox> Laney:  installing oem kernel for the qemu-oem doesn't work.
[09:16] <Laney> I thought you were still going to fix the oem case anyway
[09:17] <xnox> i can push it for review, but we don't need it do we? unless there is network and ubuntu-drivers detects oem meta packages over the network?
[09:17] <Laney> well as soon as we get a new meta pkg which wants it (could happen at any time) we'll need it to work then
[09:18] <Laney> like pushing new isos
[09:22] <Laney> not to mention we were going to get QA people to test the oem-qemu-meta case to see if we had any issues to fix
[09:30] <seb128> is anyone wanting to have a look to merge gsettings-desktop-schemas ? we are still on 3.35.91 which is probably be ok functionally but still isn't great
[09:30] <xnox> Laney:  hm, true
[10:14] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 155620 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/38xLi
[10:25] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 155628 * commented merge request !15 * https://deb.li/iOJ2x
[10:32] <Laney> jibel: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/382411 should fix that
[10:33] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center signed tags 2befd84 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%3.36.1-1ubuntu5 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:3.36.1-1ubuntu5 * https://deb.li/ikxr1
[10:34] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master d958ca9 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 13 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/7Vij
[10:34] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 479356a Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/patches/ series 0027-temporarily-revert-alt-char-key.patch * Revert the "Alternate Characters Key" commit temporarily * https://deb.li/3rxcR
[10:34] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 039362a Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ (5 files) * https://deb.li/aMhD
[10:34] <KGB-1> debian/patches: user-panel: Don't wait for fprintd on initialization and don't limit enroll stages
[10:34] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 51a0825 Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/ (8 files in 2 dirs) * Rebase to resolve conflict * https://deb.li/3MDyz
[10:34] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master e8d24d6 Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/IZ2l
[10:34] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master e160c5a Robert Ancell debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * https://deb.li/3e8GI
[10:34] <KGB-1> * debian/patches/0029-applications-Use-new-snapd-glib-API-for-labelling-Sn.patch:
[10:34] <KGB-1> * debian/control:
[10:34] <KGB-1>   - Use shared names for snap interfaces, fixing some interfaces that don't
[10:34] <KGB-1>     have labels.
[10:35] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Sebastien Bacher * [merge] merge request !14: Revert the "Alternate Characters Key" commit temporarily * https://deb.li/3ryUn
[10:35] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Sebastien Bacher * [merge] merge request !15: debian/patches: user-panel: Don't wait for fprintd on initialization and don't limit enroll stages * https://deb.li/U2Dg
[10:41] <marcustomlinson> Laney: here are the follow-up update-manager fixes you asked for: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/update-manager/update-manager/+merge/382410
[10:44] <Laney> nice one
[10:44] <Laney> i'll look later on
[11:16] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'll do gsettings-desktop-schemas if no one has taken it yet
[11:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks!
[11:49] <Wimpress> GunnarHj: Do you know who I can talk to on the docs team about landing a couple of new pages for 20.04?
[11:53] <Laney> fprintd delta :(
[11:54] <GunnarHj> Wimpress: Probably me. But that sounds terribly late. The desktop guide is translated also...
[11:55] <GunnarHj> Wimpress: Is it the desktop guide you meant?
[11:56] <Wimpress> GunnarHj: We want to land a couple of pages in help.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <Wimpress> Specifically help.ubuntu.com/rst
[11:56] <Wimpress> help.ubuntu.com/bitlocker
[11:56] <Wimpress> We have the content, which has just been post on Discourse
[11:58] <Wimpress> igordhossegor: Let me introduce you to GunnarHj
[11:59] <Wimpress> GunnarHj: May be able to offer assistance landing the RST and Bitlocker pages you've written in help.ubuntu.com
[11:59] <GunnarHj> Wimpress: help.ubuntu.com consists of two parts: The official desktop and installation docs, and the community help wiki with pages on various topics contributed by the community. Do you possibly have the wiki (help.ubuntu.com/community) in mind?
[12:00] <igordhossegor> hi gunnarhj: nice to meet you
[12:00] <igordhossegor> these would be official desktop and installation docs
[12:00] <igordhossegor> help.ubuntu.com/bitlocker and help.ubuntu.com/rst
[12:01] <igordhossegor> i have the content (currently topics on ubuntu discourse), but i dont know how to add these pages to the official documentation
[12:01] <igordhossegor> GunnarHj ^
[12:05] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: I can probably help there. But let's first decide on a proper location for those pages given the structure of help.ubuntu.com.
[12:06] <igordhossegor> unfortunately those two paths are hard-coded into the ubuntu installer
[12:06] <igordhossegor> i am not sure we can change those
[12:06] <igordhossegor> wimpress: the installer paths are done, correct?
[12:07] <seb128> Laney, oh come on :/
[12:07] <Laney> what
 fprintd delta :(
[12:07] <Laney> ok
[12:08] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: You mentioned installation - there is https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/index.html - could such a page (for 20.04) be a proper place to link from?
[12:08] <seb128> Laney, https://salsa.debian.org/debian/fprintd/-/merge_requests/1 is going to Debian, I'm just confortable getting https://salsa.debian.org/debian/fprintd/-/commit/120fbfa9 that late in focal which is staged in the Vcs, and we discussed that yesterday on #debian-gnome
[12:08] <Wimpress> GunnarHj: Those URLs I provided and that igordhossegor are requesting a baked into the installer.
[12:08] <seb128> Laney, *not* confortable, sorry
[12:09] <Wimpress> So, if those URLs are not somewhere we can land the actual docs, they will require redirects.
[12:09] <seb128> Laney, sorry I just found the comment negative/assuming we are adding delta, which is sometime deserved but not in that case
[12:11] <GunnarHj> Wimpress: Ok... In that case it's not difficult to upload them to those locations - no symlinks needed. But how will people find them?
[12:12] <igordhossegor> GunnarHj, they will primarly find them from the installer
[12:12] <igordhossegor> during the installation wizard process
[12:12] <igordhossegor> we can then in future do a different structure and then make sure they are linked/redirected
[12:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/rst.png
[12:13] <seb128> (sorry Laney for the nickname reference)
[12:13] <igordhossegor> the pages are currently:
[12:13] <igordhossegor> rst:
[12:13] <igordhossegor> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-with-intel-r-rst-enabled/15347
[12:14] <igordhossegor> bitlocker:
[12:14] <igordhossegor> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-running-windows-and-bitlocker-turned-on/15338
[12:14] <GunnarHj> I see. Sure, pass them to me, and I can commit them to the bzr branch we are using for the purpose. Then a cron job will publish them at noon UTC tomorrow.
[12:14] <seb128> GunnarHj, the screenshot is from the installer, which basically redirect you to the documentation
[12:14] <seb128> so users should come from here, not from the website/googling
[12:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: I think I have got that now. :)
[12:15] <seb128> :-)
[12:21] <igordhossegor> GunnarHj what format do you need the files?
[12:21] <igordhossegor> what's the on the discourse good enough - or you need Google Docs or zip file with text and images?
[12:23] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: I'm thinking... Do you really want the pages converted to static html, or would redirects to the current discourse pages be better?
[12:24] <igordhossegor> the redirects can be a short term solution
[12:24] <Wimpress> GunnarHj: Appreciate your help on this! Thank you :-)
[12:24] <igordhossegor> but it would be better to have them as static ones for consistency purposes
[12:24] <GunnarHj> Wimpress: np
[12:24] <igordhossegor> we can always link to discourse if people want to comment/ask questions
[12:25] <igordhossegor> just let me know the best format to send you the material
[12:27] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: Ok. I think the easiest way is that I simply save those pages to disk using Firefox and then upload them. A detail... They are HTML pages, but the URL:s don't have .html extensions. Will that be a problem?
[12:32] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: Maybe I can make e.g. help.ubuntu.com/bitlocker a directory and name the page index.html ...
[12:36] <igordhossegor> GunnarHj that might not work ... but you can make them as static pages (bitlocker.html and rst.html)
[12:36] <igordhossegor> we can then ask IS for additional redirects
[12:36] <igordhossegor> that will be the easy part
[12:38] <igordhossegor> when you save the files using firefox, there's a lot of discourse related stuff in there
[12:38] <igordhossegor> best if i just send you the text + images and then you can use them as you best see fit
[12:39] <igordhossegor> GunnarHj i've saved my google doc drafts as html files (zipped)
[12:39] <igordhossegor> so they have everything - text and images
[12:40] <igordhossegor> that's probably the best source, so let me know how you want to grab them
[12:40] <igordhossegor> alternatively, i can give you access to the two google docs and you can download them yourself (as html)
[12:40] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: Yeah, if you don't want the discourse stuff included, that's probably best. Is there a simple URL from where I can get them?
[12:41] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: Btw, I can make redirects if needed, so we don't need to involve IS for that.
[12:41] <igordhossegor> i will share the urls via dm
[12:41] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[13:11] <kenvandine> clobrano: I think Yaru's CI is publishing automated builds for gtk-common-themes to the edge channel, which are broken
[13:34] <GunnarHj> igordhossegor: Ok, I pushed the files. I'm trying with my 'index.html in directories' idea; it should work on the web server. Let's check tomorrow afternoon.
[13:34] <GunnarHj> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/help.ubuntu.com/help.ubuntu.com/revision/56
[13:34] <GunnarHj> So we simply have a Bazaar branch, which means that if/when you want to make changes, you can always submit a merge request.
[13:45] <igordhossegor> GunnarHj sounds good
[13:57] <fossfreedom> Hi all - quick question hopefully.  I'm on yesterdays Ubuntu Budgie Live ISO - I ran the software updater and it wants to remove gnome-software.  Can I ask why?
[13:58] <GunnarHj> fossfreedom: Probably because it wants to replace it with the snap version of the same application.
[14:00] <fossfreedom> umm .... oh dear.
[14:01] <fossfreedom> Can we some how say "dont replace with the snap" ?
[14:06] <kenvandine> fossfreedom: you can just install gnome-software again
[14:08] <fossfreedom> If we wanted the snap we would have seeded it.  End users have reported that the snap is broken under UB - totally transparent
[14:10] <Laney> the latest update-manager will probably fix that
[14:10] <fossfreedom> ah - good.  thx.  I'll double check on todays ISO in a couple of hours
[14:11] <Laney> might not though, if you only recommend it
[14:11] <fossfreedom> ... checking our seeds ...
[14:11] <Laney> upgrading to a depends will fix that
[14:13] <fossfreedom> damn - its a recommendation
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> Laney and/or Wimpress I wonder if you could weigh in on this? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/atk/-/issues/18
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> I'm in over my head here
[15:29] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 155703 * commented merge request !15 * https://deb.li/lqw2
[15:31] <marcustomlinson> hoping maybe it rang any bells with you guys. Could the infinite loop be ubiquity's fault? dunno
[15:32] <Laney> ubiquity *itself* is a gtknotebook
[15:32] <marcustomlinson> ah
[15:35] <Laney> oh man, this looks rough
[15:40] <Laney> xnox: kenvandine: I'm starting iso builds now
[15:40] <kenvandine> awesome, thanks
[15:40] <Laney> amd64 only, don't want to have to wait for the arm64 to finish
[15:41] <Laney> it goes
[15:44] <seb128> marcustomlinson, you should probably indicate on the upstream report that downgrade to 3.34.1 doesn't show the issue
[15:44] <seb128> can help them to understand it as well
[15:44] <seb128> marcustomlinson, also you didn't mention the version you are using/report the bug against
[15:45] <marcustomlinson> seb128: good point
[16:08] <hellsworth> good late morning folks
[16:15] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[16:23] <Trevinho> seb thanks for all those debian (and ubuntu for fprintd) sponors :)
[16:26] <Laney> sil2100: just checking if you were still planning to review marcustomlinso___n's update-manager branch or want me to?
[16:28] <sil2100> Laney: I did!
[16:28] <sil2100> And I merged it + released
[16:28] <Laney> ah
[16:28] <Laney> sorry I missed it
[16:28] <sil2100> Only had nitpicks there, so nothing really terrible
[16:28] <Laney> thanks for that
[16:29] <Laney> oh yeah 21 minutes ago in the queue!
[16:29]  * Laney looks
[16:29] <sil2100> So I just merged and sponsored
[16:44] <Laney> ah yay remmina went in after I did the britney fix
[16:44] <Laney> would have been difficult for anyone not me or p_itti to fix that one probably
[16:44] <Laney> so good job nobody else took it up
[17:08] <chudak> Hello all
[17:08] <chudak> Have a problem and need your help
[17:08] <chudak> I installed 20.04 beta and then tried adding and switching desktops from gnome to unity
[17:08] <chudak> And now see some odd behavior with settings etc.
[17:08] <chudak> When I check
[17:08] <chudak> DESKTOP_SESSION=unity
[17:08] <chudak> But
[17:08] <chudak> ls /usr/bin/*session
[17:08] <chudak> /usr/bin/dbus-run-session  /usr/bin/gnome-session  /usr/bin/gnome-session-custom-session
[17:08] <chudak> That looks incorrect to me, but I am hesitant to make any changes and hope someone expert here can help with exact steps how to fix it
[17:08] <chudak> thanks in advance
[17:13] <sarnold> chudak: what exactly is incorrect?
[17:24] <seb128> Laney, wooot, well done on fixing britney!
[17:24] <seb128> I failed to look at that one, but as you said that would probably have been waster time, I didn't have days to invest learning my way there
[18:12] <seb128> kenvandine, Wimpress, didn't you guys said that you would add gamemode to ubuntu-desktop as a recommends on friday?
[19:04] <kenvandine> i think Wimpress said something about that
[19:34] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 6661980 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series monitor-config-manager-Fallback-to-closed-laptop-lid-conf.patch * d/p: Fallback to closed laptop lid configuration if no other available * https://deb.li/x4q2
[19:34] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 2c4a6fe Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/x11-Add-support-for-fractional-scaling-using-Randr.patch * xrandr-scaling: Don't override non-fractionally scaled monitors scaling * https://deb.li/3lLwC
[19:49] <KGB-0> mutter Iain Lane 155778 * commented commit 6661980 * https://deb.li/uDD
[19:50] <seb128> kenvandine, I don't remember who was supposed to do the vcs change but you said in the hangout on thursday that you would upload ubuntu-desktop in friday while everyone else was off for the long w.e
[19:50] <seb128> kenvandine, Wimpress, anyway, it's getting late so if we want that in we should sort if you
[19:50] <seb128> out
[19:52] <seb128> Laney, how is the ubuntu-desktop set defined for upload rights? like what is needed for a new package to be defined as being in that set?
[19:52] <kenvandine> seb128: oh right, Wimpress was going to prepare it and leave it for me to sponsor
[19:52] <kenvandine> i actually uploaded ubuntu-meta this week too!
[19:53] <seb128> right, I saw the email title on -changes and assumed it was the change
[19:53] <seb128> but was suprised it's still not on the ISO
[19:53] <seb128> so I went to check and saw it was another change you uploaded, so I wondered if you left that out on purpose
[20:06] <KGB-0> mutter signed tags 60325d3 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.1-3ubuntu2 * mutter Debian release 3.36.1-3ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/Mwfi
[20:06] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 141ed15 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/i4I3h
[20:06] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master ddbb0c4 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/7wmN
[20:16] <Laney> seb128: there's a script that the DMB runs
[20:17] <seb128> Laney, should things like yaru-theme be there? should that be automatic?
[20:17] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+junk/packageset
[20:17] <Laney> I dunno, ask them to re-run it (or run it yourself and see what it would do)
[20:17] <seb128> k
[20:17] <Laney> make that https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/packageset
[20:18] <Laney> probably though
[20:18] <Laney> it's like expand the desktop seed and remove things that are in core
[20:23] <seb128> Laney, thanks, I don't have much clue about how sets works since I never had to deal with those :p
[20:23] <seb128> trying the script
[20:23] <seb128> it's unclear to me if the set is a reflection of the seeds though
[20:24] <seb128> (update-germinate taking time)
[20:24] <Laney> it's supposed to be
[20:24] <seb128> k
[21:26] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [open] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V
[21:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey, thanks for the fixes! I got g-c-c uploaded today :)
[21:48] <robert_ancell> seb128, thanks for taking care of that :)
[21:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, only https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1862553 missing which might be important, I need to test if it impact any livepatch enablement or just some
[21:48] <seb128> if you can poke to that today we might be able to still get that in tomorrow
[21:48] <robert_ancell> ok, will do
[21:49] <seb128> thx
[21:51] <seb128> robert_ancell, do you know where the alert sound is used in GNOME?
[21:51] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, I don't know if it's used much at all.
[21:51] <seb128> changing it in g-c-c doesn't make it change on a g-t command line when doing tab completion for me and I can't find another place
[21:52] <seb128> seems a weird setting to have in the UI if it isn't used :/
[21:54] <seb128> I was trying to test bug #1871320 but rather minor
[21:55] <seb128> k, on that note calling it a day, it's late enough
[21:55] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[23:12] <chudak> on 20.04 gnome desktop - how to show top bar on all desktops with multi monitors ?  Thanks !
[23:54] <chudak> anyone ^ ?
[23:55] <sarnold> you may have success in #ubuntu+1


[12:05] <gmg85> downloaded and compiled compact wireless drivers compat-drivers-2013-03-04-u
[12:05] <gmg85> on ubuntu 13.04
[12:45] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[13:25] <leolove> Hi
[13:25] <leolove> Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe it works on boot for 15 minutes only and then disconnect.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> leolove, best to ask in #ubuntu
[13:27] <leolove> okay thanks
[13:32] <Fudge> im looking forward to 1.404
[13:32] <Fudge> ahahahah
[13:32] <Fudge> misplaced decimal
[18:23] <lordievader> Good evening.
[20:56] <johnjohn101> when 13.10 goes to the 1st alpha, will it be using the qt version of unity?
[21:03] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, there's a rumour , yes , but i don't know for sure
[21:03] <BluesKaj> not much info being offered
[21:03] <johnjohn101> it's ok, still 6-7 weeks or so before 1st alpha.
[21:04] <BluesKaj> the chainloader should be available in a week or 2
[21:08] <johnjohn101> meaning the daily should start rolling then?
[21:11] <johnjohn101> going to be interesting to see what can be delivered by mid october.
[21:20] <bazhang> !info linux
[21:20] <BluesKaj> well, I'm sticking with Kubuntu , dunno if they're going to follow the mir path as well , probly stick with X's present version(s)
[21:25] <k1l_> since its the target to get the new unity into 14.10 it would be good to be tested in 13.10, imho
[21:32] <DarkEra> 14.10? i though 13.10 and for sure 14.04 would have Unity Next and Mir
[21:34] <BluesKaj> k1l_, I saw an announcement on the 'net about it here
[21:34] <BluesKaj> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/canonical_mir_announcement/
[21:35] <k1l_> DarkEra: sry, was a typo. i meant 14.04
[21:37] <DarkEra> k1l_, no worries, that can happen to anyone :)
[21:39] <DarkEra> one thing i hope though and that is that Unity Next will work smoother in the upcoming releases.
[21:42] <sara> http://techcrunch.com/search/ubuntu lets change this
[21:44] <sara> oops there where results but noscript stopped me from viewing them
[21:45] <SuperLag> what's the point of Mir? What is so wrong with Xorg that Ubuntu doesn't just stick with what works?
[21:47] <jtaylor> xorg sucks at pretty much everything but working :)
[21:48] <jtaylor> most major issue for me with it that it provides zero security ._.
[21:49] <jtaylor> look up why wayland exists for more reasons
[21:49] <jtaylor> (the question why mir and not wayland I can't answer :) )
[21:59] <johnjohn101> either way, should be an interesting journey to 14.04.
[23:08] <hachre> xorg has everything wrong with it


[23:50] <Faolcu> im new to ubuntu and im running tor. just got a message that tor is reinstalling what to do?
[23:53] <Faolcu> love the welcome message(y)