[23:32] <SlitazMint> Hello.
[23:32] <SlitazMint> I have an issue with fglrx in Ubuntu, I'm not sure if it a known bug or not...
[23:33] <k1l> did you search launchpad.net for a related bug?
[23:33] <SlitazMint> Will do.
[23:34] <SlitazMint> Wow, fglrx has 171 bug reports on 12.10.
[23:36] <k1l> most times when i step on a problem i try to google the lspci/lsusb line from that device and ubuntu. that will bring up some solutions. or at least users with the same problem :)
[23:36] <k1l> but searching launchpad.net for the card and ubuntu version will bring up smth too. if its not there you may open a new bug. so devs willl notice that
[23:38] <SlitazMint> Ubuntu Mini is very cool. I hope I find something.
[23:38] <SlitazMint> If not I will open a new bug for sure.
[23:38] <k1l> ubuntu mini?
[23:39] <k1l> you mean the minimal install?
[23:39] <SlitazMint> Ubuntu devs should really focus on working together with AMD so new users don't have this type of problems. Especially now that Steam is almost ready.
[23:39] <SlitazMint> I have talked to a few people that had driver issues, so it's not just me.
[23:40] <SlitazMint> Yes minimal install.
[23:40] <k1l> if ubuntu mini is a spinoff pay attention to that this is not supported from ubuntu. you will need to talk to the makers from that spinoffs
[23:41] <SlitazMint> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[23:41] <k1l> SlitazMint: driver issues are most times issue with the manufactures not giving drivers. and that will effect all linux distributions
[23:41] <SlitazMint> Not sure if it is a spinoff is it?
[23:41] <k1l> no the minimal install is official
[23:41] <k1l> (but there used to be a spinoff called ubuntu-mini)
[23:42] <SlitazMint> k1l: In my case I had Mint 13 with AMD drivers working just fine. I even tried two driver version on it with no problems.
[23:42] <SlitazMint> Mint is based on Ubuntu that is what perplexes me.
[23:43] <k1l> mint doesnt care about restrictions and licenses, so they have some "advantage"
[23:44] <k1l> but if you know what mint uses and works you can add that to your bugreport :)
[23:49] <SlitazMint> k1l: I'm having a hard time searching for this problem in lauchpad.
[23:50] <SlitazMint> I'll manage...
[23:52] <k1l> well, since is after midnight here i ll leave you with that task now. bb
[23:53] <SlitazMint> Bye!


[02:29] <m0nkey_> I just type GET / with two carriage returns
[03:25] <daftykins> is your / included or just signifying the enters? did seem it wanted two
[03:26] <daftykins> ah well this NAS is totally dead, not getting the web admin at all
[03:27] <zmoylan-pi> not responding to reset/reflash?
[03:28] <daftykins> nope, it sits there doing nothing but running the disks hot if i try prodding the reset button
[03:28] <daftykins> it's about 7 years old so i think it's just game over
[03:28] <daftykins> doesn't even power on properly anymore
[03:31] <zmoylan-pi> not worth the risk of important files then
[03:31] <daftykins> nah, it's just a backup so i'll buy in a £100 synology 2 bay, throw the disks over, nuke them and get it back up and running
[03:31] <zmoylan-pi> though i did have a novell server that needed a double start for 5+ years
[03:32] <daftykins> hehe
[03:32] <daftykins> i haven't inspected the caps inside, so there's that
[03:34] <zmoylan-pi> huge full height hard drive that had a real slow spin up speed.  you'd start the server, wait for it to fail, listen carefully till it reached it's max speed then reset and novell was your server for another year till the next powercut reboot :-)
[03:35] <zmoylan-pi> and i had to put a label on the front to remind everyone about this as every time there was a powercut people would panic when novell didn't restart
[03:36] <daftykins> XD
[03:36] <daftykins> it's funny how much you try to give them documentation so they don't have to call you in again, but still they will
[03:37] <zmoylan-pi> in this case, a strip of masking tape with 'don't try and restart without moylan present' written on it
[03:38] <zmoylan-pi> beside the switch on front of case
[03:38] <daftykins> one client has a little postit beside the power button of his secondary screen to say 'don't turn me off' but it's actually just an odd power button that needs holding in for a sec :>
[03:40] <zmoylan-pi> i do sometimes wonder how long a mug i strategically placed to allow printers in an office to work via ir lasted in middle of a desk sitting on sheet of paper saying. 'do not move this mug!!'
[03:41] <zmoylan-pi> we did have packing tape covering a power switch in one location but the md did pull it off and switch off the machine using expensive electricity at night
[03:43] <zmoylan-pi> he of course switched it off in middle of a year end run and then discovered he hadn't replaced the secretary who was swapping in and out the backup tapes
[03:45] <zmoylan-pi> saved about 20p worth of leccy, generated about ir£10,000 worth of a data recovery bill
[03:47] <daftykins> >_<
[03:47] <daftykins> was the mug bouncing an infrared beam?
[03:48] <zmoylan-pi> around the time of hp lj4 printer, hp desktops had ir port as standard.  was asked by a mate to configure a printer they had just gotten. went onsite and they had no spare parallel cable so i set up ir.  all bouncing of shiny mug :-)
[03:49] <zmoylan-pi> the nearest shop selling parallel cable was over an hour away on foot so saved time :-)
[03:49] <daftykins> XD
[03:49] <daftykins> i bet my psion 3c could've printed to that :D
[03:50] <zmoylan-pi> that was what gave me the idea...
[03:51] <zmoylan-pi> i LOVED my psions
[03:51] <daftykins> :)
[03:51] <daftykins> i think it was the only way young me could get something close to a laptop
[03:53] <zmoylan-pi> it was a full system that fitted in a holster and survived long commute and i could walk around ware house doing stock takes typing at 35wpm on it
[03:58]  * zmoylan-pi moseys off to the loo while my router plots its 0500 reboot...
[04:53] <daftykins> right on time o0
[07:15] <Moodoo> morning
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:52] <Moodoo> morning brobostigon davmor2
[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Comic Book Day! 😃
[08:57] <brobostigon> hi Moodoo
[09:00] <bashrc_> morning
[09:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BFYBO5Brtc
[09:28] <JamesTait> davmor2, I only know someone who completed Ironman Wales, I didn't do it myself!
[09:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1aQx9hTaE
[09:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, https://www.beano.com/
[09:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: DC and Marvel are comics too :P
[09:34] <JamesTait> davmor2, definitely!  I wasn't really into them, tbh.  I just watched the films.
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> 2000ad was my comic of choice
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> There's a guy selling old books on out high street on Sundays. I bought a load of old 2000AD annuals \o/
[09:57] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNwqVUyqqTY
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> i await a really really good ereader so all those 2000ad cbr files i found can be read as nicely as the comics were when i was a kid
[09:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn-3U4aAzUw
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> i really liked the new judge dredd movie, pity it didn't make much money
[10:07] <Myrtti> ooh. new kernel.
[10:28]  * zmoylan-pi stands and plays anthem for a new kernel :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: It was good. I found it very similar to "The Raid".
[10:55] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: Shouldn't it be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YLDv_rBfVM for a new kernel
[11:05] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you Fire FIRE!!!!!
[11:05] <davmor2> it'll heat the popcorn nicely :)
[11:10] <popey> oooh
[11:10] <popey> the kids school have put a promo video up which has a nice fly-by done with a dronw
[11:10] <popey> *drone
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: you are evil if you drown drones
[11:18] <bashrc_> drone drowner
[11:19] <bashrc_> but you could fit floats to a drone, so that it wouldn't drown
[11:52] <davmor2> Wow never realised that the music in Enigma's T.N.T for the brain is so scarily similar to Sheila B. Devotion Spacer
[12:23] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, popcorn for a new kernel? is that because you like watching all the machines it b0rks?
[12:23] <diddledan> what's interesting about that video is the single they're playing is ripped out of a jukebox
[12:27] <diddledan> there's some awesome choreography for the tune here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfdLh0MHqKw
[12:29] <diddledan> then there's the techno version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN8iRqAFQQo
[13:02] <directhex> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE ?
[13:03] <diddledan> directhex, lol
[13:05] <directhex> here's something fun - the song the futurama theme song is a remix of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOqfWj0HqNE
[13:09] <diddledan> that's the futurama introduction video, too :-p
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> if the the drone drowns it's not a witch :-)
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> whoops, replying to way... earlier... :-)
[14:21] <diddledan> lol
[14:22] <diddledan> fool
[14:22] <diddledan> :-p
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> give me a break i have to be awake all night :-)
[14:44] <diddledan> http://store.virginmedia.com/special-offers/speed-upgrade.html \o/
[14:46] <foobarry> talktalk just upped their prices around 15%
[14:46] <diddledan> :-(
[14:46] <TwistedLucidity> I hope that includes upspeed, because VM's totally sucks ass
[14:51] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, ispreview guess at the upload being increased to 20Mbps on the top-tier
[14:51] <diddledan> ref: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/09/speed-tests-hint-of-faster-virgin-media-broadband-upload-speeds.html
[14:51] <popey> virgin put theirs up too
[14:51] <popey> they do every time they do speed bumps
[14:53] <jpds> popey: I'm just spoilt by the speeds we get in the office
[14:55] <foobarry> this might push me over the edge
[14:55] <foobarry> ISPs generally make money from price hikes applied to existing customer base
[15:00] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah. I'm on a friends&family deal with VM. Seemed good value a few years ago, now I'm not so sure.
[15:00] <popey> same here
[15:00] <popey> handy given the guy left VM and I still have the deal though
[15:01] <TwistedLucidity> When we move, might look into a pure ISP-play. SIP phones etc.
[15:01] <TwistedLucidity> No TV, just Internet.
[15:02] <TwistedLucidity> Not as if I can be bothered watching "Historic Alien Dog Catchers Exposed" or whatever on NatGeo....
[15:02] <foobarry> whats the cheapest ISP broadband deal? no tv
[15:03] <zmoylan-pi> using your neighbours? :-)
[15:03] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Probably still TalkTalk.
[15:03] <foobarry> mehh
[15:03] <TwistedLucidity> Although I'd probably consider someone like A&A and pay for competence.
[15:04] <foobarry> the broadband just works
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> Or move to the country and join b4rn. Gigabit symmetric.
[15:06] <diddledan> hah, I had one of those until recently when dad switched providers: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/09/ee-uk-botches-customer-emails-after-domain-renewal-fail.html
[15:07] <diddledan> (I was the signatory on the account from way back in the 90s and I just switched the DirectDebit over to dad when I left home. he only recently switched away)
[15:20] <zmoylan-pi> did he have to return the 14,400 modem? :-)
[15:20] <directhex> diddledan: my dad will get screwed when he tries to change ISP, and he *deserves it*. i advised him not to rely on his ISP address more than a decade ago
[15:20] <directhex> and he should have learned when he moved from BT Internet to Demon.
[15:20] <popey> hah
[15:21] <popey> my father in law still uses his too
[15:21] <popey> i keep telling him
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> my original email address had a 3mb mail box...
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> i still remember the password letters AND numbers
[15:25] <popey> I still use my first isp password :)
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: The last mail address I closed down, I think I moved and then left it for ~2 years to be 100% I'd migrated everything that was important.
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> Then I killed it.
[15:26] <bashrc> ISP email addresses are better than gmail. At least with the isp the user is the customer
[15:26] <TwistedLucidity> Ditching GMail is going to be a pain.
[15:26] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: Most ISPs simply re-brand GMail or similar. They have little-to-no control
[15:26] <bashrc> ugh
[15:33] <popey> not any more
[15:33] <popey> VM have just moved away to some other open source mail system
[15:33] <popey> because google shutdown their GApps for ISPs
[15:35] <jpds> popey: roundcube?
[15:35] <bashrc> google has too much of a stranglehold on email
[15:35] <popey> no
[15:35] <popey> some other thing
[15:42] <foobarry> zimbra?
[15:45] <diddledan> rainloop
[15:45] <diddledan> ?
[15:45] <popey> I tweeted it a week or two ack
[15:45] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/644105645327818752
[15:48] <jpds> Wow, I just tried the demo, looks cluttered
[15:48] <jpds> (Also the document section is called "Drive")
[15:49] <popey> yeah, its not great
[15:49] <popey> not that I'll be using it
[15:49] <popey> just migrated my vm gmail over then closed the tab
[17:44] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/yurivictor/status/647465813994303488
[20:15] <diddledan> interesting start to heroes reborn last night
[21:03] <diddledan> I'm not so sure this is a good idea: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2015/09/25/changes-to-fields-output-by-comment_form-in-wordpress-4-4/
[21:04] <diddledan> I always expect the name and email to be the first thing filled-in
[21:04] <diddledan> or rather I expect that order when I fill-out a form
[21:34] <mapo> Hi all
[21:34] <diddledan> allo
[21:34] <mapo> Moved apartment now
[21:34] <mapo> So no net :(((
[21:35] <mapo> Went in and asked when ir might be and got told no idea !:(
[21:35] <mapo> £39for 50mbit tv ans phone
[21:35] <mapo> Seems ok
[21:35] <mapo> Was paying £82  with gibtel for 100mbit only
[21:36] <diddledan> you use british money? I figured you'd be using spanish potatoes
[21:37] <diddledan> or even euros
[21:37] <mapo> Im in gib not spain
[21:37] <mapo> Im not poor lol
[21:37] <diddledan> I forgot spain ditched the potatoes for euro
[21:37] <mapo> All the brits that come to gib and work on the phones live in gib!
[21:37] <mapo> Its so silly cheap
[21:38] <mapo> 700 euros for a 3,bed vs £1000-1200 fotr a one bed in gib
[21:38] <mapo> Uses euros ans pounds in gib but when ysing euros you get raped they charge more
[21:39] <diddledan> 700 * 1.2 isn't much different to 1100
[21:39] <mapo> Its 1.4
[21:39] <diddledan> oh?
[21:39] <mapo> Look at current rate
[21:39] <mapo> 1.38-1/4
[21:39] <diddledan> I thought the pound to american was 1.4
[21:40] <mapo> But still 3 bed 500 odd quid vs 1000-1200 1 bed
[21:40] <mapo> Is a bit different
[21:40] <diddledan> I'm confused
[21:40] <mapo> Of?
[21:40] <diddledan> £500 in euro for a 3-bed and £1100 in pounds for a 1-bed?
[21:40] <mapo> You can get a ,3 bed for 700 in spain whicg is around ,500 quid
[21:41] <mapo> A one bed in gib is 1100
[21:41] <mapo> Get it?:)
[21:41] <mapo> 1100 pounds
[21:42] <diddledan> I'm not seeing any raping from euros there
[21:42] <diddledan> 3bed > 1bed, and 1100 > 500
[21:42] <mapo> Nooo i mean if you pay for stuff in euros in givpb
[21:42] <mapo> Gib
[21:42] <mapo> You get a bs rate
[21:44] <mapo> So say yiu go to a restaurant £20
[21:44] <mapo> Pay in euros maybe 37 or something
[21:44] <mapo> Will be a ripoff
[21:44] <diddledan> but 20*1.4 = 38 so that sounds about right
[21:45] <mapo> Gah damn
[21:45] <mapo> Ok 45
[21:45] <mapo> I gave a bad example
[21:45] <diddledan> heh
[21:45] <mapo> Its worse trust me
[21:45] <mapo> Like yiu can pay with pounds in Prague
[21:45] <diddledan> I guess it's the way of things on border-regions
[21:45] <mapo> But its beyond a ripoff
[21:45] <mapo> Yea
[21:46] <mapo> Look up la linea de la concepcion and you'll see
[21:46] <mapo> Its grotty but cheap
[21:46] <diddledan> the gibraltarnians probably prefer to keep their banks in pounds so they charge non-pound payments more
[21:46] <mapo> 500 for a 3 bed is nothing and yet peoole live like students living three to a house
[21:47] <mapo> Screw doing that at 30!!!!
[21:54] <daftykins> ouch
[21:54] <daftykins> yeah no sharing
[22:01] <popey> Evening slackers
[22:07] <daftykins> o/
[22:27] <diddledan> so there's another pretender to slack's crown that's been opensourced today by dropbox: https://zulip.com
[23:14] <popey> diddledan: also, mattermost
[23:14] <diddledan> popey, yeah, I'm intriguied by mattermost being bundled with gitlab
[23:14] <popey> yeah
[23:14] <popey> seems like a good ide
[23:14] <popey> *idea
[23:15] <diddledan> unfortunately my colleagues don't see the benefit of moving away from slack's freebie
[23:51] <czajkowski> popey: you're up late
[23:51] <czajkowski> kids ok ?
[23:55] <popey> lies
[23:55] <popey> yes
[23:55] <popey> :)
[23:55] <popey> just friday night chillin, playing games and actually now bed
[23:55] <popey> zzz
[23:56] <popey> ooh, it's caturday
[23:56]  * popey gets a cat pic
[23:56] <daftykins> :D
[23:56] <daftykins> mines curled up on my lap as i watch a film and IRC


[00:21] <tsimonq2> Unit193: np :)
[00:21] <tsimonq2> Unit193: (just seeing that now when I'm coming to tell you it migrated)
[00:21] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:23] <Unit193> One less thing for me to carry. :D
[21:28] <persia> Good day.  I'd like to close a CVE against a universe package in Artful and Xenial.  Sadly, my bug got tagged with two CVEs (for one of which I have no intention of porting the fix to either artful or xenial), and I don't actually know the right format for changelog metadata to ensure the upload works.
[21:29] <persia> Does anyone have pointers to security docs to improve my debdiffs in bug #1752591 or recommendations on current sponsorship practices?
[21:53] <tsimonq2> persia: The people in #ubuntu-hardened might be able to help better.
[21:53] <persia> tsimonq2: Thanks
[21:53] <tsimonq2> np


[09:46] <zequence> infinity: Been away for a while. All kernels tested.
[13:16] <Hauke> Hi I am working on backports and want to detect the ubuntu kernel because we need some special ifdef for the kernel used in 14.04 for a backport included in this kernel and not in 3.13.X
[13:17] <Hauke> the best would be if there is something similar to include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
[13:21] <Hauke> RHEL extended this file and added some RHEL version number to it so we can detect that this is a special RHEL kernel and compile different code
[13:22] <Hauke> currently I have trubble with this commit: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4c342cdce8acfaef2d89a800bb6a10128d802c8