[00:31] <ahoneybun> RikMills: I can open usb-creator lol
[00:34] <Maik> ahoneybun: on 22.04 after a sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade plus reboot?
[00:37] <ahoneybun> I've done some updates but not a reboot in a while
[00:37] <ahoneybun>  17:37:14 up 4 days,  8:06,  3 users,  load average: 2.12, 3.03, 2.20
[00:38] <Maik> well, the issue is on plain ubuntu too, at least on my Pi 4, after updating and rebooting. At least they have a bug report now and can look into it :)
[00:39] <Maik> i'm off to bed, chat later ;)
[08:27] <RikMills> Maik: https://i.imgur.com/CWUOQyB.png
[08:28] <RikMills> on today's freshly built Kubuntu ISO
[09:05] <RikMills> Maik: same on Ubuntu ISO with the gtk version
[13:12] <Maik> RikMills: weird... well my install is from the 17th last month, so to get it working i have to re-install?
[13:13] <RikMills> Maik: see the last comment on the bug
[13:14] <RikMills> someone from canonical is going to have a look
[13:14] <Maik> didn't have a chance yet, will do now :)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:08] <ahoneybun_> heyo BluesKaj
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hi ahoneybun_
[14:16] <ahoneybun_> heyo
 https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/issues/32
[17:21] <ahoneybun_> I saw that as well.
[17:22] <ahoneybun_> Looks like they are killing Activities.
[17:22] <ahoneybun_> I like this one: https://phabricator.kde.org/T12620
[17:34] <Maik> got the usb-creator updat just now, it works again
[17:40] <ahoneybun_> funny enough I did see a warning in that update.
[17:40] <ahoneybun_> SyntaxWarning from the frontend.py file
[17:45] <blaze>  /bye


[11:18] <haggai> Riddell: for KDE, it looks for KDE_FULL_SESSION or window manager=KWin
[11:19] <haggai> Riddell: for Gnome, it looks for GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID, or window list properties GNOME_SM_PROXY or NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_WINDOW_ID, or a running gnome-panel
[11:20] <haggai> Riddell: that's taken from a reading of the 1.9.78 source
[11:43] <JRe> hehe new ktvschedule works!
[11:44] <Riddell> haggai: thanks
[11:44] <Riddell> JRe: woo
[12:17] <JRe> kay added on kde apps
[12:53] <JRe> Riddell: ktvschedule new upstream packaged ;)
[01:46] <Riddell> JRe: build failure on ktvschedule
[01:46] <Riddell> moc: channelselect_ui.h: No such file
[01:47] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:18] <JRe> Riddell: okay fixed
[02:19] <JRe> Riddell: i am going to use DBUS- HAL for Kay in order to make it mounter independent ;) i mailed Kevin Otten from medio ioslave.
[02:20] <Riddell> Kevin doesn't like hal
[02:21] <JRe> Riddell: i am going to use the same system than him
[02:22] <JRe> Riddell: because he already detect these event in media ioslave, no?
[02:23] <Riddell> JRe: he didn't write the hal backend
[02:23] <JRe> Riddell: hum
[02:24] <JRe> Riddell: i am going to take a look in the media ioslave source to see what i can do! but it's better for Kay to be mounter independant no (= 0 configuration needed) ???
[02:26] <Riddell> I imagine so yes
[02:52] <hunger> Isen't there a DB thingy included in koffice 1.4?
[02:54] <KaiL> not in breezy
[02:54] <Riddell> hunger: kexi is being packaged separatly
[02:55] <hunger> Why? Because the one in koffice is outdated already?
[02:55] <Riddell> yes
[02:55] <hunger> Riddell: Great, then we'll get the latest and greatest!
[02:59] <Riddell> elmo: do you know why kexi hasn't been imported with debian auto-sync?
[03:02] <elmo>       kexi | 0.9beta1-1 | breezy/universe | source
[03:07] <Riddell> ah hah
[03:10] <JRe> cool :)
[03:22] <hunger> And that means?
[03:22] <hunger> kexi will be autobuild soonish?
[03:23] <Riddell> hunger: naw, it failed, I'll ask for it to be put back once I've confirmed there's no gcc issues
[03:59] <JRe> Riddell: anyone is packaging dataKiosk ?
[04:02] <Riddell> JRe: nope, please do
[04:03] <Riddell> KTorrent is another one that would be nice to have packaged
[04:03] <\sh> Riddell: pointer?
[04:03] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[04:04] <Riddell> I havn't tried it, might be a good reason why nobody has packaged it for all I know
[04:04] <\sh> it's bloody ugly
[04:05] <\sh> even my KPyBT is much nicer
[04:05] <uniq> I can start doing some more packaging when the weekend comes. I'll be finished with my psychology papers tonight or tomorrow. finally.
[04:06] <\sh> and PyBT is working...at least I can download torrents with fullspeed and upload with 1kb/s ,-)
[04:07] <\sh> let me try kpybt if its working with breezy ;)
[04:07] <Riddell> uniq: and people are asking about KOffice ppc packages :)
[04:08] <uniq> riddell: will be ready soon.. started the compile before i got to bed yesterday.. but it failed.. so i'll have to restart it now :)
[04:13] <JRe> Riddell: yeah KTorrent is a great idea. I think KHttrack could also be usefull
[04:13] <JRe> \sh: ow you're developping a torrent manager in QT ?
[04:14] <\sh> JRe: for kde :)
[04:14] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/kpybt/
[04:15] <\sh> http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kpybt
[04:16] <uniq> great.
[04:16] <uniq> finally i can throw azureus away.
[04:17] <\sh> the functionality is in my first version PyBT (QTonly)
[04:17] <JRe> \sh: wow congrats ;)
[04:17] <JRe> \sh: it's a wat better than ktorrent!
[04:17] <JRe> s/wat/way/
[04:17] <JRe> uniq: yeah me too! i am so happy
[04:17] <\sh> so for the backend I need nothing else then copy and paste
[04:17] <uniq> the websearch thing in ktorrent looks nice though :)
[04:18] <\sh> it's using bittorrent python classes and threads for the stuff...and the rest is mockup
[04:18] <\sh> uniq: easy :)
[04:18] <\sh> torrentsearch.com ;)
[04:18] <uniq> yeah.. or something you can edit yourself.
[04:18] <\sh> and another idea is to include a rss aggregator ;)
[04:18] <JRe> \sh: i'll try it as soon as you will have packaged it
[04:20] <uniq> \sh: something like the webshortcuts in konq.. you can add/edit/remove your own search engines. would be great. nice project :)
[04:20] <uniq> i'll have to learn python this summer, no doubt.
[04:20] <\sh> uniq: let me finish the first version ;)
[04:20] <uniq> sure.. just got so excited :)
[04:20] <\sh> btw...what u saw with the config dlg
[04:20] <\sh> it's a working version of KConfigXT in PyKDE :)
[04:21] <\sh> and actually, only ubuntu has the correct and working package ;)
[04:21] <uniq> nice :)
[04:21] <JRe> \sh: you have a damg interresting project on the read!
[04:21] <JRe> s/damg/damn/
[04:21] <JRe> s/read/road/
[04:21] <\sh> too many for my time schedule ;)
[04:22] <\sh> uniq: programming kde with python+pyqt+pykde is just like plain c++, but the compile times are less then a minimum
[04:23] <JRe> \sh: you're programming other KDE apps?
[04:23] <\sh> jre: if the backend of the libupdatemanager is finished (hopefully soon) I will take the kde frontend for it...and actually a replacement for kynaptic
[04:24] <Riddell> libupdatemanager?
[04:24] <\sh> riddell: ubw:UpdateManager ,-)
[04:24] <JRe> \sh: you're using libap-front for the kynaptic replacement ?
[04:24] <\sh> jre: no..python-apt
[04:25] <\sh> jre: mvo is coding on it...so we can use it for installing removing checking updating deb archives
[04:25] <JRe> \sh: okay seems great!
[04:25] <\sh> jre: my old apps for kde: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kwhois/
[04:26] <JRe> \sh: i actually try to help on the lib-aptfront project but it's not easy at all to code such a thing
[04:26] <\sh> jre: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kmyirc/
[04:26] <\sh> (kmyirc is even older then konversation) ,-)
[04:26] <\sh> never had the time to finish it..and nobody wanted to take over..so it's a ghost project, but good for looking up for some code samples in c++ ;)
[04:27] <\sh> kwhois works...and should even work with kde 3.4 (after replacing admin dir and recompile )
[04:27] <JRe> \sh: ;) whatever if you need help on the kynaptic replacement project poke me i am very interessted in it!!!
[04:28] <JRe> \sh: (if you could giveme the project page ;) )
[04:28] <\sh> oh I just saw on the screenshots of kmyirc, that freenode was formerly known as openprojects.net ,-)
[04:29] <\sh> jre: wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateManager
[04:29] <\sh> or more easy: apt-get install kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ; and then ubw:UpdateManager
[04:30] <JRe> \sh: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcut is on hoary ???
[04:30] <\sh> jre: oh no..breezy ;)
[04:30] <\sh> jre: but get the sources from breezy and rebuild for hoary ;)
[04:30] <uniq> is breezy useable now?
[04:31] <JRe> \sh: yeah ;)
[04:31] <Riddell> \sh: and what's the current status of libupdatemanager?
[04:32] <\sh> Riddell: far from complete
[04:33] <JRe> \sh: updatemanager is a replacement for kynaptic ???
[04:33] <\sh> jre: no...but many of the logic is in there...for python-apt abstraction etc.
[04:33] <\sh> everything what doesn't belong in a GUI app, should be in there.
[04:34] <JRe> \sh: aaa okay right ;)
[04:35] <JRe> \sh: okay so the kynaptic replacement is not started at all, just the lib are beeing worked ?
[04:35] <\sh> jre: u can see some early mockups on my blog ;)
[04:36] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/11-Pynaptiq-A-Kynaptic-Replacement.html
[04:36] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/12-More-from-Pynaptiq.html
[04:37] <\sh> JRe: it was my first attempt: 1. to write something useful in python with pyqt, 2. my first step with python-apt (less docu, more hacking and much more trial and error)
[04:37] <JRe> \sh: wow
[04:37] <\sh> jre: i don't know if u can see the flash movie
[04:37] <JRe> \sh: nop! but i definitively want to help you! i'll take a good look to python-apt
[04:39] <JRe> \sh: it's already possible to install a package?
[04:40] <\sh> jre: no, cause python-apt can't install a packge right now..I just made some test with untaring the control.tar.gz that was working but nothing else
[04:41] <\sh> jre: it was the time of UDU and when ogra saw my attempts he reported to mvo  and well....we came together for this
[04:46] <\sh> Riddell: the kde ui designer was kdevdesigner?
[04:48] <Riddell> \sh: qt designer or kdevdesigner
[04:48] <\sh> Riddell: hmm...why is it crashing?
[04:48] <Riddell> works for me
[04:49] <\sh> (no debugging symbols found)
[04:49] <\sh> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[04:49] <\sh> (no debugging symbols found)
[04:49] <\sh> `system-supplied DSO at 0xffffe000' has disappeared; keeping its symbols.
[04:49] <\sh> (breezy )
[04:49] <\sh> need to be recompiled because of new qt lib?
[04:50] <\sh> ahhh
[04:50] <\sh> here it is
[04:51] <\sh> Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so:
[04:51] <\sh>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[04:51] <\sh> Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kpartsdesignerplugin.so:
[04:51] <\sh>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[04:51] <\sh> Conflict in /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/designer/libqscintillaplugin.so:
[04:51] <\sh>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[04:52] <Riddell> time for me to upgrade then
[04:52] <\sh> ok..libqscintilla i can take
[04:52] <\sh> after this, i have to push pyqt and pykde again into the buildds
[04:55] <Riddell> \sh: why do you need to do that?
[04:56] <\sh> Riddell: to recreate the c++ python bindings...
[04:56] <\sh> w8
[04:56] <\sh> let me check first the changes to qt
[04:57] <\sh> but libqscintilla has go through
[05:00] <\sh> why is the lib incompatible to the old build, actually?
[05:02] <Riddell> qt designer's plugins seen to have very strict requirements of which Qt they work with
[05:03] <\sh> Riddell: and the plugins are build by kdelibs or kdevelop?
[05:04] <Riddell> \sh: kdelibs
[05:04] <uniq> hah.. crazy http://www.merkeylaw.com/article.php?story=20050621145053855&mode=print
[05:05] <\sh> qscintila is uploaded for recompile
[05:20] <Riddell> uniq: new koffice packages up.  use those if compiling for PPC
[05:20] <uniq> ok. at kubuntu.org ?
[05:21] <Riddell> uniq: yes
[05:21] <uniq> will do.. just started the build.. restarting now.
[05:41] <uniq> nice percentage indicator while compiling koffice :)
[05:49] <Riddell> uniq: that's the magic of unsermake
[05:50] <uniq> nice.. haven't tried unsermake before.
[05:50] <Riddell> does make the .diff.gz somewhat large
[05:53] <uniq> did you take a look at the new kbandwidth package? MOTUNewPackages doesn't seem to be updated.
[05:53] <uniq> the issues mentioned there should be fixed.
[05:55] <JRe> uniq: you have made a package using unsermake + cdbs ?
[05:55] <uniq> jre: no, never used unsermake.. i use cdbs and debhelper mostly.
[05:55] <uniq> i'm just compiling koffice for ppc.
[05:58] <JRe> uniq: okay! i was looking for a package using cdbs and unsermake to see how to get it work!
[05:59] <uniq> don't have that yet.
[06:00] <Riddell> JRe: I think I made one
[06:00] <Riddell> but I can't remember which now
[06:00] <JRe> Riddell: i'll investigate your packages ;)
[07:04] <JRe> Riddell: in how many time will KDE 3.5 go out ?
[07:06] <JRe> Riddell: (more or less)
[07:30] <\sh> Riddell: which packages must be uploaded for new qt compile of kde? kdepim and ? is it main or universe?
[07:35] <uniq> kdepim is universe in breezy.. says apt-cache policy
[07:36] <\sh> will check tomorrow...
[07:36] <\sh> have to go and wash my clothes ;)
[07:37] <uniq> good luck.
[09:59] <Riddell> amu spotted, back left http://www.kstuff.org/lt2k5/day1/800.IMG_1874.JPG
[09:59] <Riddell> I recognise that operating system http://www.kstuff.org/lt2k5/day1/800.IMG_1865.JPG
[10:00] <uniq> nice :)
[10:00] <uniq> amu with the debian shirt?
[10:02] <Riddell> yes
[10:03] <uniq> cool.
[10:11] <Riddell> kexi has 0.9beta1-1 and I want to upload 0.9 but 0.9 is less that 0.9beta
[10:17] <uniq> heh.
[10:17] <froud> is there a colony 1 iso for kubuntu somewhere
[10:19] <uniq> riddell: " we prefix thehttp://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-commits/2003-September/008942.html
[10:19] <uniq> +previous version to the actual version. 1.0.6+1.0.7rc1 is less
[10:19] <uniq> +than 1.0.7."
[10:19] <uniq> gah.. irssi didn't understand how i wanted that pasted :]
[10:21] <Riddell> yes, that's what he should have done
[10:21] <Riddell> or used the ~ operator
[10:21] <Riddell> tsk tsk
[10:21] <uniq> how does ~ work in versioning?
[10:21] <Riddell> 0.9final seems good to me
[10:21] <Riddell> uniq: ~ was added fairly recently to mean less than so 0.9~beta1 is less than 0.9
[10:22] <uniq> ah. nice.
[10:22] <Riddell> but I guess this kexi packager hasn't heard of it
[10:23] <uniq> you can use 1:0.9-1 too, right?
[10:24] <Riddell> I could but then it'll be completely out of sync with debian
[10:25] <uniq> good point.
[11:06] <uniq> hmm.. 2.6.12 has some new numbers in dmesg..
[11:46] <uniq> riddell: koffice for ppc is uploaded. http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/koffice/


[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[06:32] <Unit193> pitti: I have a wily hardware computer that uses this same kernel with kdbus, so I could do some testing there too if it'd help.
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[16:53] <hallyn> pitti: mbiebl_: hi, around?
[16:53] <mbiebl_> I am
[16:54] <hallyn> mbiebl_: cool!  i wanted to ask if there is default behavior for systemd oneshot units where anything started by them is killed when the job is done?
[16:54] <hallyn> in particular,
[16:54] <hallyn> lxc-net.service is a type=oneshot which runs a script which starts a dnsmasq.
[16:54] <hallyn> that dnsmasq seems to just be disappearing;  but if i run the same command by hand as root it persists (as it should)
[16:55] <mbiebl_> why is it oneshot if it starts a daemon?
[16:55] <hallyn> well it sets up and configures a bridge
[16:55] <hallyn> i didn't even consider making that a daemon, maybe it should...
[16:55] <hallyn> https://github.com/hallyn/lxc/blob/testing/config/init/systemd/lxc-net.service.in  is the current job fwiw
[16:55] <mbiebl_> and how does it start the dnsmasq daemon?
[16:56] <hallyn> and https://github.com/hallyn/lxc/blob/testing/config/init/common/lxc-net.in is the script
[16:56] <mbiebl_> hallyn: if it starts a daemon, it shouldn't be a oneshot type service
[16:56] <hallyn> The dnsmsq command is:  Kdnsmasq -u lxc-dnsmasq --strict-order --bind-interfaces --pid-file=/run/lxc/dnsmasq.pid --conf-file=/dev/null --listen-address <IP_ADDRESS> --dhcp-range <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS> --dhcp-lease-max=253 --dhcp-no-override --except-interface=lo --interface=lxcbr0 --dhcp-leasefile=/var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.lxcbr0.leases --dhcp-authoritative
[16:56] <hallyn> mbiebl_: lemme try that.  so it should be 'simple'?
[16:57] <hallyn> or, 'forking'?  /me reads
[16:57] <mbiebl_> depends on what your daemon does
[16:57] <hallyn> mbiebl_: so if i make it type=simple, and lxc starts After=lxc-net,
[16:58] <hallyn> oh wait.  i've made it worse than you think.
[16:58] <hallyn> so the dameon is started during the ExecStartPre
[16:58] <mbiebl_> type=simple has one downside
[16:58] <hallyn> because it needs to complete before lxc, which is After=lxc-net, starts
[16:58] <hallyn> uh, "completes"
[16:58] <mbiebl_> the service will be considered started as soon as the process has been spawned
[16:58] <mbiebl_> it doesn't wait for the service "to be up"
[16:58] <hallyn> right
[16:59] <hallyn> so what does starting it in ExecStartPre do with respect to that?
[16:59] <mbiebl_> hallyn: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778913 has some more details on that behaviour
 so what does starting it in ExecStartPre do with respect to that? → I don't quite understand that question
[17:01] <hallyn> 1. wlil the daemon started during ExecStartPre get killed,
[17:01] <hallyn> 2. will the service be deemed failed bc ther eis no ExecStart,
[17:02] <hallyn> 3. will lxc then not start unitl the ExecStartPre script is complete
[17:02] <mbiebl_> ExecStartPre is not supposed to be used to start long running daemon
[17:02] <hallyn> maybe i'll just call the lxc-net start script from the 'lxc' execstartpre
[17:03] <hallyn> that seems to make more sense
[17:03] <mbiebl_> isn't that what you do today?
[17:03] <mbiebl_> ExecStartPre=@LIBEXECDIR@/lxc/lxc-net start
[17:03] <mbiebl_> that seems wrong to me
[17:03] <mbiebl_> ExecStartPre is to to setup your daemon environment
[17:04] <mbiebl_> the actual daemon should be started via ExecStart
[17:04] <mbiebl_> from the systemd.service man page
[17:04] <mbiebl_>            Note that ExecStartPre= may not be used to start long-running processes. All processes forked off by processes
[17:04] <mbiebl_>            invoked via ExecStartPre= will be killed before the next service process is run.
[17:06] <mbiebl_> hallyn: I suggest reading the systemd.service man page
[17:06] <mbiebl_> hallyn: gotta run now
[17:07] <hallyn> mbiebl_: thanks!
[17:11] <hallyn> hm, that  still causes the dnsmasq to get killed
[17:11] <hallyn> apparently ExecStartPre cannot start long-running daemons
[17:12] <hallyn> hrmp.  "Note that ExecStartPre= may not be used to start long-running processes. All processes forked off by processes invoked via ExecStartPre= will be killed before the next service process is run."


[17:16] <LaserJock> newz2000: ping
[17:16] <newz2000> hey LaserJock
[17:16] <LaserJock> newz2000: how do I get corrections on ubuntu.com/education? can I file a bug or go through you or ...?
[17:17] <newz2000> if it's a 2m fix just send them to me here on IRC
[17:17] <newz2000> Hmm. Just realized that Rich is gone now. I wonder what will happen to that.
[17:17] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:17] <LaserJock> that's my concern
[17:18] <LaserJock> http://www.ubuntu.com/education/management#licence is waaaaay wrong
[17:18] <LaserJock> "All Ubuntu software is released under GPL, which means it is effectively licence free as opposed to free licence. "
[17:18] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure you guys don't want ubuntu.com saying that
[17:20] <newz2000> Yeah, should be "... released under an open source licesnse which means it's is freely available to use and share." How's that sound?
[17:20] <LaserJock> great if you fix "license" :-)
[17:21] <newz2000> right
[17:21] <LaserJock> the link to that section on ubuntu.com/education also says "License Free"
[17:21] <newz2000> Yeah, I think that's meant in a different light
[17:21] <newz2000> and the context explains it
[17:21] <LaserJock> k
[17:24] <highvoltage> newz2000: are you going to make a bug report for that page that LaserJock told you about or should I?
[17:24] <newz2000> no, it's fixed
[17:24] <newz2000> just submitted
[17:25] <newz2000> it will take a min or two to show live though
[17:25] <newz2000> Hmm. lost the bold, gonna put that back in.
[17:26] <highvoltage> ok thanks
[17:27] <LaserJock> althought it's still not *strictly* true because of Multiverse, but close enough I think
[22:15] <boredandblogging> newz2000: question
[22:15] <newz2000> hey boredandblogging
[22:15] <newz2000> go for it
[22:15] <boredandblogging> newz2000: question about your tweet
[22:15] <boredandblogging> ubuntu.com based on 960
[22:15] <boredandblogging> is that 960px?
[22:16] <newz2000> there's a css framework called 960 that, coincidentally is 960px wide
[22:17] <boredandblogging> ooh interesting
[22:18] <newz2000> The site will not really look much different except for that
[22:18] <boredandblogging> is the 960px generally accepted width?
[22:18] <newz2000> Yeah, I did some looking and it seems to be
[22:19] <newz2000> I can paste in my findings, it's a few lines long but there's not that many people here...
[22:19] <boredandblogging> yeah, that would be great
[22:19] <newz2000> here it comes
[22:20] <newz2000> abort
[22:20] <newz2000> copy and paste from moin stinks... reformatting
[22:20] <newz2000>       Life Hacker Fixed at 1000px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       Apple Fixed at about 980px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       RedHat Fixed at about 760px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       Microsoft Fixed at about 945px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       Novell Fixed at about 950px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       Mozilla Fixed at about 930px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       Ajaxian Fixed at about 940px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       A List Apart Fixed at about 930px wide
[22:20] <newz2000>       Yahoo! Fixed at about 970px wide
[22:21] <newz2000>       Adobe Fixed at about 1000px wide (except rhs logo is not fixed)
[22:21] <newz2000>       37 Signals Fixed at about 850px wide
[22:21] <newz2000> that's what I have so far
[22:21] <newz2000> I don't often see too many attractive sites that are not fixed-width but I'm collecting data on that too
[22:22] <boredandblogging> very interesting
[22:22] <boredandblogging> i didn't realized so many people used fixed width
[22:23] <newz2000> yeah. Have you heard of "the deck" (an advertising network)?
[22:23] <boredandblogging> yeah, they have a lot of big name sites
[22:24] <newz2000> big name in web and design at least
[22:24] <boredandblogging> right
[22:24] <newz2000> I plan to next look through them to see which are fixed-width. Of the first few I looked at all are.
[22:26] <boredandblogging> they have some real nice sites
[22:27] <boredandblogging> but I will say ze frank's site drives me up the wall
[22:28] <newz2000> ugh. Never been there.
[22:28] <newz2000> I'd have thought that was a link spam site
[22:29] <boredandblogging> he used to do a very good video podcast thing
[22:38] <newz2000> boredandblogging: I'm not actually 100% sold on the 960 thing. I posted that specifically so I could get feedback.
[22:39] <knome> newz2000, simplebits.com
[22:40] <newz2000> knome: is that a 960 site?
[22:40] <knome> newz2000, nope.
[22:40] <knome> newz2000, it's a site of a fluid-width/flexible/bulletproof sites "father"
[22:41] <knome> newz2000, at least he has written two books on the subject...
[22:41] <knome> newz2000, still he has fixed.
[22:41] <newz2000> fixed at 965 or so
[22:41] <knome> i think it's something that's very tightly tied with the content you're going to present.
[22:41] <knome> (being fixed or not)
[22:42] <newz2000> The trend I'm seeing is that sites going for a visual presentation are often fixed. Sites that are filled with content are more likely fluid.
[22:42] <newz2000> wikipedia and scads of blog sites are examples of fluid
[22:43] <knome> true.
[22:44] <knome> also with fluid width you can expect that somebody will see the site as not-so-appealing.
[22:44] <knome> for example very big or very small resoutions
[22:44] <knome> of course min- and max-width can stop that, but IE...
[22:45] <newz2000> yeah, I'm not sure that min and max width fluid sites are worth the extra design effort
[22:45] <newz2000> ubuntu.com (not the homepage) use that now
[22:45] <knome> i think it's really important.
[22:45] <newz2000> creating the graphics for the site is much much harder though. It makes the css and html far more complex
[22:45] <knome> yeah, i know.
[22:46] <knome> you don't want your site to be to wide
[22:46] <knome> because then every content will look bad.
[22:46] <knome> one paragraph per line for example
[22:47] <knome> and if you've reserved and designed some amount of vertical space to be used by an element, that will be largely different with "normal" resolution and big resolution
[22:47] <newz2000> I'm pretty much sold on fixed-width for ubuntu.com but I'm not yet sold on the actual width to use.
[22:48] <knome> supposedly 1024 is the "standard minimum resolution" anyway
[22:48] <newz2000> 1024 and 1280 width's account for most of the traffic to ubuntu.com
[22:48] <knome> then just substract the width of scrollbars.
[22:48] <knome> i usually go with 990
[22:48] <newz2000> google analytics however doesn't say what people's browse widths are. A lot of people like to have a sidebar open or two windows side-by-side.
[22:49] <knome> true.
[22:49] <knome> 770 is the absolute minimum i'm willing to with any site ususally
[22:49] <newz2000> yeah, that's too narrow
[22:50] <newz2000> lately I've been using about 850 or so
[22:50] <knome> if there is no good rationale for supporting smaller screens
[22:50] <newz2000> this 960 framework is getting a lot of buzz and maybe the future for the default drupal theme
[22:51] <knome> there's no advantage for 850 over 900+, because there is no "normal" resolutions betwwen
[22:51] <knome> the only issue is padding in the sides of the actual content
[22:51] <knome> and maybe 50 px can be "reserved" for the browser window being smaller
[22:51] <knome> or max. to 100px
[22:51] <newz2000> my thought process was that if a user has only 800px wide they'd be able to center the screen to cut off the padding and see the content without scrolling
[22:52] <knome> so that about 900 anyway
[22:52] <knome> mmh.
[22:52] <knome> but then you have to make sure you *have* that 50+px padding
[22:52] <newz2000> true
[22:52] <newz2000> I'm not sure that's even worth it though
[22:53] <knome> i think not.
[22:53] <newz2000> if I use 960 which has a content area of 940 and 240px of that is navigation
[22:53] <newz2000> then an 800px wide user could see the content area just fine
[22:53] <knome> if javascript is an option, see this: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2006/01/19/
[22:54] <newz2000> Ah yes, I've seen that. I'm actually working on a theme like that for my own blog.
[22:54] <knome> yep.
[22:54] <knome> that is worth thinking
[22:54] <knome> because then you could even support 640x480
[22:54] <knome> it's a lot of extra work but for ubuntu.com i think it might just be worth it.
[22:55] <newz2000> for this iteration of ubuntu.com we won't do that but when we redesign later this year we may.
[22:55] <knome> yeah.
[22:55] <newz2000> This is only a very minor change in order to get us onto drupal 6 and to fix some problems that have been bugging me for the last two years.
[22:56] <knome> i see


[01:00] <BenC> desrt: not that I know of
[01:00] <BenC> desrt: still around?
[04:26] <desrt> BenC; pong
[04:26] <desrt> BenC; please re-enable it :)
[04:30] <lamont> BenC: it might be from whatever the DC machines wanted... might be good to ping elmo on the HUGETLB* stuff
[04:31] <lamont> at which point he'll say one of (a) HELL YES, (b) HELL NO, or (c) whatever
[05:24] <fabbione> morning
[05:24] <fabbione> desrt: TLB is sort of a problem
[05:25] <desrt> how so?
[05:25] <fabbione> because it adds an extra layer to the mm iirc
[05:25] <fabbione> that slow dows things a bit
[05:25] <fabbione> + it was never turned on
[05:25] <desrt> ah
[05:25] <desrt> it was probably just on in my custom kernel that i was running
[05:26] <desrt> when you guys started shipping 64bit i switched
[05:26] <fabbione> desrt: we can discuss these goodies for dapper
[05:28] <fabbione> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16469 <-
[05:29] <fabbione> didn't we fix this one?
[05:30] <desrt> fabbione; i was actually rather hoping for HUGETLB in breezy
[05:31] <desrt> at least in powerpc64-smp :)
[05:31] <fabbione> desrt: too late. it involves an ABI change mostlikey
[05:31] <desrt> arggghh
[05:31] <fabbione> and we are truely deep freeze now
[05:32] <desrt> i don't believe in freezes :)
[05:35] <fabbione> we do :)
[05:35] <fabbione> you lose :P
[05:46] <desrt> does anyone even use ppc64? :)
[05:47] <desrt> how do i find out if ABI would be broken?
[05:48] <fabbione> desrt: yeah quite a lot of people
[05:48] <fabbione> desrt: there is an ABI checker in our source code
[05:48] <fabbione> s/source/build/
[05:53] <desrt> k.  i'll have a look at it at work
[05:53] <desrt> basically, we need need need hugepages
[05:54] <desrt> and running a custom kernel in ubuntu isn't the most comfortable exercise
[05:54] <fabbione> desrt: for dapper for dapper for dapper
[05:54] <desrt> particularly in breezy :)
[05:54] <desrt> k.  our research is occuring now :)
[05:54] <fabbione> desrt: why not?
[05:54] <desrt> fabbione; because you have to recompile it every time the kernel is updated
[05:54] <fabbione> it's easy to build custom kernels
[05:54] <fabbione> nope...
[05:54] <fabbione> that's why you make a custom
[05:54] <desrt> i'm all about getting my stuff into upstream :)
[05:55] <desrt> right... but i mean... if you want the fixes in the new kernel
[05:55] <desrt> then you have to rebuild your config against the new source
[05:56] <fabbione> well of course
[05:56] <fabbione> given that you need the new fixes
[05:56] <fabbione> the only reason why i would compile a custom kernel is if i need special features or remove unused features
[05:57] <desrt> well
[05:57] <desrt> with ubuntu pretty much everything is a module
[05:57] <desrt> which is nice
[05:57] <fabbione> but...
[05:57] <fabbione> for ex..
[05:57] <fabbione> a security fix comes up on ppp
[05:57] <desrt> i'd disable inotify
[05:57] <desrt> it sucks :)
[05:57] <fabbione> and you don't use and build ppp
[05:57] <fabbione> it's pointless to update
[05:57] <desrt> right.
[05:57] <fabbione> i agree..
[05:57] <desrt> i was joking
[05:57] <desrt> *ahem*
[05:57] <fabbione> so your upgrade path is different
[05:58] <fabbione> idiotify sucks
[05:58] <fabbione> brb
[05:58] <desrt> hahahah
[05:58] <desrt> that's a great name!
[06:08] <fabbione> re
[06:10] <desrt> do you have an idea of how to do better than inotify?
[06:10] <desrt> if you do i'd seriously like to hear it
[06:14] <fabbione> i think the kernel code is ok
[06:14] <fabbione> it's userland that truely sucks
[06:15] <desrt> hmm
[06:15] <desrt> interesting
[06:15] <desrt> in what ways do you feel this to be the case?
[06:16] <fabbione> because i had to debug gamin more than once
[06:16] <desrt> (hah.  i'm being such a psych)
[06:16] <fabbione> so i read both the codes
[06:16] <desrt> ahh
[06:16] <fabbione> and i can tell you that gamin is really bad code
[06:16] <fabbione> or at least used to be
[06:16] <desrt> ok.  ya.. the gamin backend for inotify is a bit scary
[06:16] <desrt> my problems with inotify, incidentally, are based on the kernel :)
[06:17] <desrt> it's the best interface that we could possibly have
[06:17] <desrt> but it's still quite bad
[06:17] <desrt> alas.  bed now.
[06:17] <desrt> cheerio.
[06:18] <fabbione> good night
[10:32] <\sh> gentlemen, i updated #16539
[02:24] <zul> hey
[02:39] <fabbione> yo
[03:37] <BenC> good morning
[03:40] <fabbione> hey Ben
[10:13] <lamont> when is -19 uploading?
[10:19] <zul> when benc gets to it? :)
[10:19] <zul> im heading home folks talk to you later
[10:24] <lamont> mjg59: HP OB900... clues on what I need to do to make sound work in breezy (or hoary, for that matter...)
[10:46] <BenC> lamont: you need anything last minute?
[10:46] <lamont> BenC: just waiting for it
[10:47] <lamont> I mean, today is _almost_ over in London.....
[10:48] <lamont> (not that I'm impatient or anything...)
[10:48] <BenC> hehe, ok
[10:48] <BenC> was just about to do the upload
[10:49] <BenC> waiting to see if I got some response for a couple of bug reports first
[10:54] <BenC> ok, upload in ~10 minutes
[11:10] <fabbione> BenC: rocking
[11:23] <jbailey> mjg59: Should the kernel stop asking us to load vesafb now, then?  Or does it still need to load it in case the user desn't have usplash
[11:23] <jbailey> mmm.
[11:23] <jbailey> Not that it would matter at that point, given that fbcon isn't also loaded.


[17:52] <gilsr> I have a touchscreen mounted between my elliptical and treadmill. Works well except I have to stop, go to the keyboard or get my phone to go back a screen. I was looking at modifying a theme, maybe I should ask can it be done or ,better, done before?
[17:53] <gilsr> That is I would like to add a button to add this function. Maybe just send an esc key press?
[23:12] <superm1> gilsr: sounds like a fun little project
[23:12] <superm1> not really sure how it's best done though
[23:15] <gilsr> Yes I was hoping it had been done already.  If not I'll try to do it myself. Since I know very little about how the frontend works it will be a slow process.
[23:16] <superm1> there's a mythtv-theming IRC channel
[23:16] <superm1> they might be able to help you a bit
[23:16] <superm1> as well as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development
[23:20] <gilsr> Ok, thanks for the direction. I had found the theme wiki page and a tutorial but ran into questions right away.  I'll try the irc channel.
[23:22] <Jay2k1> or maybe you can find some driver or application that allows you to use gestures and define a gesture to send an esc keypress
[23:27] <gilsr> I did try a gesture app but I couldn't get it to work. Again, possibly my ignorance but I assumed it had something with the mouse going through the mythtv layer first. it seemed to recognize a click but not the drag.
[23:34] <gilsr> Well, I went back to the gesture app after giving it some thought and got it to record the gesture.  Will continue on this path, see if it work with the frontend started.


[06:01] <gorilla> head_victim: could someone remind those who use digest mail feed, please change the subject line before sending the email. It difficult to figure out if it's of interest otherwise.
[06:29] <head_victim> gorilla: I've got to head out for a little bit but I'll send a gentle reminder about mailing list etiquette this evening when I return.
[06:29] <gorilla> kk. thanks.
[06:29] <gorilla> take care.
[06:31] <head_victim> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists is somewhere I refer people to on other lists so might send that to the -au one
[06:40] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[08:29] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[11:54] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[12:29] <mrshr3d> gee golly whizz what a long day - started work before 7:30am and only just home now....bloody Windows....lol
[12:34] <gorilla> mrshr3d: I don't like replacing glass either.
[12:39] <head_victim> gorilla: Ha. Ha
[12:39] <mrshr3d> gorilla:  if only it was that easy...this is the Gates kind of Windows.
[12:40] <gorilla> head_victim: I'm glad that someone laughed... tough gig!
[12:40] <mrshr3d> 15 minutes to boot up  =  ridiculous!
[12:41] <gorilla> mrshr3d: 15 minutes?? Amazing that the user would allow it to get past five minutes. 10 and I'd be demanding a new machine.
[12:41] <mrshr3d> sitting at the "Starting Windows" splash screen for 3
[12:41] <gorilla> mrshr3d: excuse me and I'll get another cup of coffee.
[12:42] <mrshr3d> that's the kicker....it was a freshly imaged machine on Tuesday, and only started playing up today.
[12:44] <gorilla> malware?
[12:46] <mrshr3d> We've had a few cases of it recently, seemed to be our anti-virus software, but tried on this particular machine and no go.  I've seen malware before that causes the machine to run very slow, and the symptom is CPU usage at 100% but in this case it seems to exhibit normal behaviour.
[12:47] <gorilla> that would drive me up the wall also in figuring that one out.
[12:48] <mrshr3d> Took excerpts of Event Viewer logs for our System Infrastructure team to look at.  Failing that, I started another machine rebuilding before I left so I can swap-out on Monday if required.
[12:48] <gorilla> mrshr3d: good precaution to take. Don't send the weekend thinking about it.
[12:49] <mrshr3d> very frustrating yes, I see a lot of weird and bizarre issues in the work environment, mind you being a considerably more complex environment with various startup scripts and group policies etc etc there is more scope for things to screw up.
[12:49] <mrshr3d> hence why I have a job!  lol
[12:50] <gorilla> mrshr3d: yep.. the must important tool for a windows administrator: a car. :-P
[12:52] <mrshr3d> haha, working for a law firm in an office that is one tool I don't require
[12:52] <gorilla> ahhh. that's one thing.
[14:09] <Zanthus> hmmm, haven't been in here in a while
[14:14] <gorilla> didn't stick around for long either.


[00:47] <squinty> ceon  in #ubuntu   ot, swearing etc
[08:40] <bazhang> is 'lady' a bot or what
[09:25] <ikonia> gone
[09:30] <ikonia> hello manbear1
[09:31] <manbear1> hi ikonia I have no issues just joined to have a look, is idling here frowned upon?
[09:31] <ikonia> it is
[09:32] <ikonia> it's used for helping people with issues around usage of the channel
[09:32] <manbear1> ok understood sorry
[09:32] <ikonia> it's logged though
[09:32] <ikonia> so you can always read the logs, they are public
[09:32] <manbear1> will do


[02:31] <PCLine__> Hello everyone.  It would appear we lost Power!
[03:13] <dzho> well, you got to fight the power anyway, you know
[03:26] <PCLine__> When my computer goes down with no Power ... that means I need a new Battery Backup!
[21:34] <dzho> huh, RMS, Doug Crockford, Larry Wall, amongst others: http://abstractions.io/
[21:34] <jenni> [ Abstractions ] - https://j.mp/20HaKSp


[02:07] <bkerensa> slangasek: seems like a fair amount of service scripts are still expecting upstart in vivid
[02:07] <bkerensa> I was trying to start kmod yesterday and it failed with an upstart error


[00:05] <msirius> a
[00:08] <BUGabundo> b
[00:10] <Ken8521> anyone managed to get a Netgear WNA1000 to work?
[00:42] <DanaG> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/sound-menu-changes-coming-in-ubuntu.html
[00:42] <DanaG> Interesting.
[00:42] <DanaG> Though, I use QuodLibet, because Rhythmbox can't do play-by-folders.
[00:43] <BUGabundo> exaile does that
[00:44] <DanaG> Yeah, though the thing QuodLibet has over Exaile is that when you select a folder on the left, it immediately sets that as the playlist on the right.
[00:44] <DanaG> Can't do that with amarok or exaile.
[00:44] <DanaG> There isn't even anything like ctrl-enter, alt-enter, or shift-enter to do that.
[00:52] <BUGabundo> ?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> are you sure?
[00:52] <DanaG> Yeah.
[00:53] <BUGabundo> nite
[01:37] <psusi> hooray for libeatmydata!
[01:38] <psusi> got my laptop battery life from 3 to 4 hours
[02:32] <MariusAZ> Are there instructions on how to update to the current Maverick?
[02:32] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: why?
[02:32] <sebsebseb> not much point at the moment
[02:32] <sebsebseb> it will be very similar to Lucid
[02:32] <MariusAZ> I'm wanting to contribute
[02:32] <sebsebseb> and maybe also rather un stable
[02:33] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: also your not really meant to run the development version  on  a computer that your going to be using for proper useage
[02:33] <sebsebseb> instead do it on a test PC or a virtual machine
[02:33] <MariusAZ> I understand that, I've been working on the Fedora project for years, I'm done with it
[02:33] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: working on, as in developing?
[02:33] <MariusAZ> Yes
[02:34] <MariusAZ> Ubuntu seems to be much more progressive these days
[02:34] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: a little off topic, but I just read a link, that I guess you should read as well
[02:35] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: http://dinosaur-os.com/post/604591255/why-i-switched-to-fedora
[02:35] <sebsebseb> !contribute | MariusAZ
[02:35] <MariusAZ> Ahh, thank you :)
[02:35] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: last week was Ubuntu Developer Summit
[02:35] <sebsebseb> in Belgium
[02:36] <sebsebseb> and I listended to some sessions :)  whilst being in the IRC channels,  and saw some gobby notes.
[02:36] <sebsebseb> That's when they talk about what is to come in 10.10
[02:36] <sebsebseb> there are blue prints  up
[02:36] <sebsebseb> and videos from UDS
[02:36] <MariusAZ> Yeah, I was reading some of that, which is why I decided to come in here :)
[02:36] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: also some of the UDS stuff has been covered on
[02:37] <sebsebseb> covered/mentioned
[02:37] <sebsebseb> on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[02:38] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: Ubuntu fan boy and girl website :D  good blog enteries
[02:38] <sebsebseb> !blueprints
[02:39] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: and if your going to be a Ubuntu developer you will need a Launchpad account
[02:39] <sebsebseb> !launchpad | MariusAZ
[02:40] <MariusAZ> Cool, thank you
[02:40] <MariusAZ> I'll check it out
[02:41] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: hang on I got something else to give you as well
[02:43] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: http://videos.ubuntu.com/ UDS videos.  Also something I like about  the Ubuntu community, is how they have Ubuntu  Open Week.  Where people can take part in sessions ask questions and find out more, with sessions being logged.  There's also a developer week.
[02:46] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: I would suggest reading the logs of sessions that happended that you think you would be interested in on  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com in HTML format since that's the best way to view them in my opinion.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[02:47] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: and obviously report bugs, that you find in 10.10 when testing in development.
[02:47] <MariusAZ> :)
[02:47] <sebsebseb> !bugs
[02:47] <sebsebseb> and since you want to be a developer
[02:47] <sebsebseb> !developer
[02:47] <sebsebseb> That's it, have fun with Ubuntu!
[02:47] <MariusAZ> Lots of info, that's nice :)
[02:48] <MariusAZ> Thank you
[02:48] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: yeah plus this channel is logged
[02:48] <sebsebseb> !logs | MariusAZ
[02:49] <nawst2> I'm trying to figure out why gtk apps under openbox-session don't load the theme I have set in gnome... until I open gnome-appearance-properties--- if anyone knows I'd appreciate the tip
[02:49] <sebsebseb> nawst2: on 10.04?
[02:49] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: and yeah np :)
[02:49] <nawst2> sebsebseb: yup
[02:49] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: oh and help out in #ubuntu as well if you want, of course
[02:50] <sebsebseb> nawst2: ok well then you want #ubuntu
[02:50] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: oh I forgot an important factoid
[02:50] <sebsebseb> in your case
[02:50] <sebsebseb> !daily | MariusAZ
[02:51] <MariusAZ> This is going to take me a bit to go through all this, thank you so much for all your help
[02:51] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: np :)  and yeah it will take a while
[02:53] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: So why do you want to  stop being a Fedora developer, and become an Ubuntu developer exactly?  Just wondering
[02:53] <arand> Well, the dailies ain't up yet, prolly will be by ~alpha1 time
[02:54] <sebsebseb> arand: oh
[02:55] <arand> You'll still have to use this old fella when you upgrade
[02:55]  * arand pats sed
[02:55] <sebsebseb> arand: sed?
[02:55] <sebsebseb> the old  fella?
[02:56] <sebsebseb> and yeah I guess  MariusAZ could upgrade Lucid to Maverick  at the moment, by changing the repo's
[02:56] <MariusAZ> Because I see a lot of things from Ubuntu creeping into Fedora, Ubuntu seems to be much more progressive on newer tech
[02:57] <MariusAZ> That and a much higher userbase
[02:57] <arand> Well, sed is at least 35 years, I guess that could be considered old in the context..
[02:57] <MariusAZ> No point in fixing what isn't broken
[02:58] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: as for user base well sure
[02:58] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: however before Ubuntu, it was Mandriva with most users on the desktop
[02:59] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: so far distros have only lasted a few years as number one on the desktop, and then its another
[03:00] <MariusAZ> Yeah, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to be slowing down anytime soon
[03:00] <sebsebseb> indeed
[03:00] <MariusAZ> :)
[03:00] <sebsebseb> it seems that its going to be rather popular for quite a few more years yet
[03:04] <SuborbitalPigeon> forgive me, but I can't think of anything that has come from Ubuntu
[03:06] <SuborbitalPigeon> that has actually been adopted by upstream or other distros
[03:06] <sebsebseb> SuborbitalPigeon: Gnome edits and Unity
[03:06] <sebsebseb> stuff like that has come from Ubuntu
[03:06] <SuborbitalPigeon> my point exactly sebsebseb
[03:10] <sebsebseb> MariusAZ: so reading links I gave already?
[03:16] <histo> What was someone saying about saving laptop batterY sry I left channel for a bit and lost it.
[03:16] <histo> ?
[03:18] <histo> it was someone saying thank god for {package name } ijust went from 3 to 4 hours batter life?
[03:18] <histo> anyone have scrollback thats been here for a few?
[03:18] <sebsebseb> !logs | histo
[03:19] <SuborbitalPigeon> libeatmydata, which sounds ominous
[03:20] <sebsebseb> SuborbitalPigeon: wrong channel?
[03:20] <SuborbitalPigeon> no, I'm replying to hhi
[03:20] <SuborbitalPigeon> histo:
[03:20] <sebsebseb> SuborbitalPigeon: oh ok
[03:20] <histo> Uhm. its not in there
[03:21] <histo> especially considering that they have logs for dates that haven't happened yet I can see why.
[03:22] <sebsebseb> histo: what?
[03:22] <sebsebseb> histo: if you mean the offical channel logs no
[03:22] <histo> well this just ahappened a few hours ago its not in the log yet.
[03:22] <sebsebseb> histo: your looking at the wrong log probably then
[03:22] <sebsebseb> the logs are in UK time
[03:22] <sebsebseb> and it's the 17th in UK
[03:23] <histo> But if no one wants to scroll back and wants me to wade throught he logs thats fine
[03:23] <histo> jesus
[03:23] <histo> but its not 0300 right now
[03:23] <histo> thats the last log entry for this channel
[03:23] <maco> it's 3:23 am in the uk
[03:23] <SuborbitalPigeon> !time
[03:24] <maco> histo: that was 2 hours ago
[03:24] <maco> if the logs go to 0300 then scroll back to 0139
[03:24] <histo> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/17/%23ubuntu+1.html
[03:24] <maco> and i think it was a joke
[03:24] <maco> they said "libeatmydata"
[03:25] <histo> I found it
[03:25] <histo> gotcha
[04:08] <Sarvatt> If anyone is running xorg-edgers and has updated since the 12th please run the commands at the top of the page here - https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[05:20] <pakete> hi all
[05:25] <pakete> anyone around?
[05:30] <pakete> maverick is it?
[05:56] <skydrome> nope
[05:56] <skydrome> goose
[06:49] <DanaG> bummer.... the 34-rc7 kernel doesn't have AHCI built-in!
[06:54] <SwedeMike> welol, now 2.6.34 proper is out, might be rectified :P
[07:49] <Sarvatt> ahci was modularized on purpose back in march, unless they said something about it changing back to built in at UDS I wouldn't count on it :)
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> no Pony just Tuna. morning!
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> you guys know how much I love to raffle about changes
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> but having two clock applet is lame
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> having two clock applets that show diff times (in minutes) is a FAIL
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/clock.png
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> here is a screenshot
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone has any idea against which package should I file the bug?
[09:09] <BUGabundo_remote> this must be one of the funniest bugs I've ever reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/581608
[09:19] <zniavre_> funny big
[09:19] <zniavre_> bug*
[09:20] <zniavre_> good morning
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> its my job to make you laugh in the morning
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> its danag in the afternoon :D
[09:21] <zniavre_> BUGabundo_remote,  any idea how to change the fonts of indicator-clock ? (in bold )
[09:22] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[09:44] <bbordwell> Anyone here using nouveau + >1 display?
[09:46] <BUGabundo_remote> not today
[09:47] <bbordwell> BUGabundo_remote, you do sometimes though?
[09:49] <BUGabundo_remote> not in maverick yet
[09:49] <BUGabundo_remote> I did it for a while in lucid devel cycle
[09:50] <bbordwell> BUGabundo_remote, after they fixed the plymouth freeze, were you affected by this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/572155
[09:50] <BUGabundo_remote> don't recall
[09:51] <bbordwell> BUGabundo_remote, ah okay well thanks. I have this bug, but after the new updated to libdrm-nouveau in maverick, the entire desktop loads the same (wrong) size as plymouth does. It is rather annoying :)
[09:54] <BUGabundo_remote> bbordwell: but are on lucid or maverick?
[09:54] <BUGabundo_remote> cause is this +1 #
[09:55] <bbordwell> BUGabundo_remote, Plymouth being the wrong size is on lucid and maverick, but in maverick they just updated libdrm-nouvea which caused my new problem.
[11:39] <ALMubarak> hai
[11:40] <ALMubarak> anybody there
[11:41] <ALMubarak> Hai.,
[13:19] <jetole> kklimonda: that sucks
[16:24] <IdleOne> upgrading to maverick. wish me luck
[16:26] <BUGabundo_remote> we will be waiting IdleOne
[16:27] <IdleOne> that doesn't sound to good for me BUGabundo_remote
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahha
[16:33] <BUGabundo_remote> IdleOne: if everyone looked like this http://f.bugabundo.net/photo.html?th=vu/9s/sjqa.jpg&d=2010-05-15#p, I bet you didn't want too :D
[16:43] <IdleOne> ok time to reboot
[16:43]  * IdleOne crosses fingers and toes
[16:44] <BUGabundo_remote> hah
[16:47] <IdleOne> I'm back!
[16:47] <IdleOne> on Maverick :)
[16:48] <arand> So you're running on metal now?
[16:48]  * arand hardly does anything but vbox nowadays..
[16:50] <IdleOne> arand: running on metal
[16:50]  * IdleOne leaps head long into the pool
[16:50] <IdleOne> I don't even bother checking for water
[16:50] <IdleOne> :)
[16:55] <BUGabundo_remote> pff weak
[16:55] <BUGabundo_remote> been here since day one :)
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: why not kVM?
[16:57] <arand> I just found the Virtualization switch in the bios yestarday >_<
[16:58] <arand> And now I'm already set up, so at some point in the future, when I move from Karmic, I migh...
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> KARMIC?
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> dude you should be kicked from this #
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> :P
[17:04] <arand> Meh, computer needs a good reorganisation soon, and upgrading now would just be duplication of work, and really, not many of the Lucid/Maverick features are *vital*, btrfs would be yummy though..
[18:09] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:46] <aar> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10. Is it possible to do a system upgrade (to 10.04) using an installation CD, or must I download the files via the internet (through adept)?
[18:47] <SwedeMike> aar: this channel is for 10.10 only.
[22:02] <emma> I'm looking for an expert of putting Ubuntu on a mac.
[22:02] <emma> We wish to dual boot Ubuntu on a Mac.
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> emma: I have no expeience on it I suggest google and #ubuntu for help this channel is for unreleased versions of ubuntu
[22:15] <BUGabundo> heh I got my Lucid cd pack :D
[22:16] <Ian_Corne> Oh, means ours will be comming soon too :)
[22:16] <Ian_Corne> I ordered 20 this time
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I order 100
[22:16] <BUGabundo> got 6
[22:16] <BUGabundo> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> Hehe
[22:17] <vish> BUGabundo: they know the greedy ones ;p
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> We always got our 10 we ordered
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> But they go so quickly nowadays
[22:18] <z0rt|work> burn many copies of them for stocking stuffers at christmas!
[22:20] <BUGabundo> our loco gets 250
[22:20] <BUGabundo> but they are in the other extreme of the countrie
[22:20] <BUGabundo> 350 KMs away :\
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> I've got 5 broken packages atm
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> anyone else?
[22:22] <Ian_Corne> on a clean ubuntu netbook remix maverick
[22:22] <BUGabundo> only 5?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I stop caring till A1
[22:22]  * ajmitch is surprised that there aren't more broken packages
[22:22] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:22] <BUGabundo>   tomboy: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[22:22] <BUGabundo>   update-notifier: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[22:22] <BUGabundo>   libgnomeprintui2.2-0: Depends: libgnomeprintui2.2-common (= 2.18.4-1build1) but 2.18.5-1 is to be installed.
[22:22] <BUGabundo>   python-twisted-conch: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.0.0-3) but 10.0.0-2ubuntu2 is installed.
[22:22] <BUGabundo>   simple-scan: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[22:22] <BUGabundo>   python-hachoir-metadata: Depends: python-hachoir-parser (>= 1.3) but 1.2-1 is installed
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> I have virtually nothing installed here
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> tomboy and update-notifier is broken here too
[22:23] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: gconf will get fixed soonish ;(
[22:23] <kklimonda> ;)
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> he following packages have unmet dependencies: tomboy: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. update-notifier: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. simple-scan: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. maximus: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[22:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: btw, I love your avatar. You look like a madman :P
[22:24] <Ian_Corne> all on gconf
[22:24] <BUGabundo> and it realliy me too
[22:24] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:24] <BUGabundo> did you saw both I had during the weekend ?
[22:25] <kklimonda> hmm, I think so
[22:25] <kklimonda> I remember at least one of them - some girl?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> that was Friday and Saturday
[22:30] <BUGabundo> poor girl
[22:30] <BUGabundo> is a 25 yo teatcher
[22:30] <BUGabundo> and was fired for possing for playboy :(
[22:30] <BUGabundo> OT
[22:37] <kklimonda> oh?
[22:37] <duffydack> BUGabundo, Ive heard of that before...long time ago...
[22:38] <BUGabundo> this Is brand new... happened last week
[23:08] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, yes but what about the children?
[23:08] <bjsnider> won't someone please think of the children?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> poor kids
[23:09] <ikonia> TOPIC !
[23:09] <BUGabundo> and then they complain about students missins classes
[23:09] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[23:31] <oxymoron> Hello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on
[23:31]  * maco keeps getting highlighted with oxymoron saying "girls" constantly
[23:32] <oxymoron> maco: Hahahaha lol :D Youre highlighting girs in your IRC client? :D
[23:32] <oxymoron> *girls
[23:34] <maco> yes
[23:34] <maco> i catch interesting things with that highlight rule!
[23:34] <maco> sexism, parenting, spice girls...
[23:35] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:35] <BUGabundo> oxymoron: running lucid or maverick?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> as you know this is +1 :D
[23:36] <oxymoron> BUGabundo: Lucid ;)
[23:36] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu is the channel for stable releases support
[23:36] <oxymoron> BUGabundo: And yes I like devs channel more because ... sorry to say this but official support channels is incompetent and almost never answer or read y questions at all
[23:37] <BUGabundo> I know


[00:32] <Drew_Neilson> hi everyone
[00:33] <Drew_Neilson> Ubuntu Touch is finished, right?  And now we're just waiting for OEMs to release phones?\
[01:45] <nhaines> Drew_Neilson: nope!  Lots of improvements are still being worked on.
[01:57] <half_mast> does anyone know if the ubuntu store is down or something?
[02:17] <Drew_Neilson> nhaines: I just got your response.  Does anyone have an ETA for when Ubuntu Touch will be finished?  If not, a ballpark guess or best guess?
[02:19] <Drew_Neilson> afk
[03:46] <Mirv> Wellark: !!!
[04:49] <pitti> barry: I'm around now
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <rigved> good morning
[08:20] <zyga> balloons: our current touch app is in lp:checkbox in the checkbox-touch directory
[08:20] <zyga> balloons: I'm off today but I can ask a friend to build it for you quickly
[08:24] <seb128> tvoss, hey, do you have a workaround for the location service eating cpu issue? it keeps doing it and that impact and my phone gets flat overnight if not connected :/
[08:25] <tvoss> seb128, not yet, haven't had time to look into it. later today
[08:26] <tvoss> seb128, alternatively: just stop the service on the cmd line
[08:26] <seb128> tvoss, ok, thanks anyway
[08:27] <seb128> tvoss, that seems to work, thanks
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Make Your Bed Day! :-D
[08:54] <dholbach> on devel-proposed on mako, I get "Europe/Berlin UTC+0" as timezone in the settings
[08:54] <dholbach> it should be UTC+2 though
[08:54] <dholbach> is this a known bug?
[08:55] <dholbach> ogra_, do you know maybe? ^
[08:56] <seb128> dholbach, how did you change/Select it?
[08:56] <dholbach> seb128, in the settings
[08:56] <dholbach> shall I try anything else?
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, what is in /etc/timezone?
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, I've "Europe/Berlin UTC+2" here
[08:57] <dholbach> seb128, Europe/Berlin
[08:57] <seb128> when selecting Berlin
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, k, dunno, doesn't make sense to me
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, is the time correct?
[08:57] <dholbach> yes, but in some places, the saved time is wrong
[08:58] <dholbach> like for text messages
[08:58] <seb128> "saved"?
[08:58] <seb128> hum
[08:58] <seb128> dunno then
[08:58] <seb128> doesn't seem a settings bug though, if the clock is wrong in other places
[08:58] <dholbach> or in the clock it says "Berlin 2h ahead"
[08:59] <seb128> it's like your system config was not matching the timezone on disk
[08:59] <seb128> dholbach, what's the output of "timedatectl"?
[09:00] <dholbach> seb128,
[09:00] <dholbach> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# date; date -u
[09:00] <dholbach> Thu Sep 11 08:59:55 UTC 2014
[09:00] <dholbach> Thu Sep 11 08:59:55 UTC 2014
[09:00] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317197/
[09:00] <popey> Saviq: I wasn't sure where to put this bug 1368101  - so unity8 got it ☻
[09:00] <ubot5`> bug 1368101 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Suspended apps don't restart when launched from another app" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1368101
[09:01] <seb128> dholbach, hum, that thinks that berlin is utc+0 as well
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, hey, did you see issues similars to ^ before?
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, not sure if timedatectl is only relaying info there?
[09:01] <seb128> it thinks that berlin is utc+0
[09:02] <Saviq> popey, you did good, it will between unity8 and qtmir
[09:02] <popey> \o/
[09:06] <pitti> seb128, dholbach: could be that timedated's internal brain thinks it's Europe/Berlin, but it wasn't able to write that to the fs? what does /etc/timezone say?
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, <dholbach> seb128, Europe/Berlin
[09:07] <dholbach> yep
[09:07] <seb128> (that was the reply to "<seb128> dholbach, what is in /etc/timezone?")
[09:07] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317197/ - if that helps
[09:07] <nik90> ogra_: hey, do you know where the nexus 4 is mounted on the system? I am trying to symlink it to my lxc container.
[09:07] <ogra_> nik90, mounted ?
[09:08] <nik90> ogra_: I searched in /dev, /mnt, /media etc
[09:08] <pitti> seb128, dholbach: hm, then perhaps /etc/localtime is wrong
[09:08] <pitti> check with "strings /etc/localtime"
[09:08] <dholbach> errr
[09:08] <dholbach> yes
[09:08] <dholbach> that's totally confused
[09:08] <dholbach> it says "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.corasaaa.webogram/0.5.1"
[09:08] <dholbach> ???
[09:08] <pitti> WTF
[09:08] <ogra_> nik90, do you mean mtp ? nothing gets mounted for mtp, there ar a server and a client that communicate over the USB wire
[09:09] <dholbach> pitti, how can I readjust its tiny brain?
[09:09] <pitti> dholbach: /etc/localtime (and /etc/timezone) should be symlinks to /etc/writable/{localtime,timezone}; are they?
[09:09] <pitti> dholbach: hm, change it to something else and change it back again?
[09:09] <nik90> ogra_: I am not exactly sure, I am just trying to get my lxc container to recognise that the  n4 is connected to my system
[09:09] <pitti> but not sure how the files became so corrupted
[09:09] <nik90> ogra_: on talking to stgraber, he said I might need to map /dev/usb from the host to the lxc.
[09:09] <dholbach> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317232/
[09:10] <pitti> strings /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin
[09:10] <ogra_> nik90, right, something like that ... there is no mount at all
[09:10] <nik90> ok
[09:10] <pitti> dholbach: ^ does that look more sensible? (should be some gibberish with lots of CEST and CET in it)
[09:10] <dholbach> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317246/
[09:10] <dholbach> yep, that looks good
[09:10] <pitti> ok, so the file copy got corrupted somehow
[09:11] <dholbach> pitti, shall I just copy it over? it looks a lot like what I have on my laptop
[09:11] <dholbach> err, like what's in /etc/localtime there
[09:11] <pitti> dholbach: changing the timezone back and forth ought to fix it
[09:12] <pitti> if not, you have a reproducible (and utterly weird) bug
[09:12] <pitti> unless /etc/writable/localtime can't actually be written to
[09:12] <Tassadar> dobey: image 236 has the backlight fix \o/
[09:12] <dholbach> pitti, ok, it's fixed now
[09:12] <dholbach> seb128, ^
[09:13] <pitti> so something messed up /etc/writable/
[09:13] <seb128> :-/
[09:13] <dholbach> bizarre - I changed it a couple of times, but it didn't work - now it's UTC+2
[09:13] <dholbach> thanks a lot for the help
[10:26] <afiskon> Hello everyone. I was using ubuntu touch (devel, 203r @ lg nexus 4) for a few days and noticed some problems with a clock. I.e. sometimes it shows 10:30 PM, but a real time is 10:45 PM. Is there any known workaround for this issue?
[10:37] <jitendravyas> I installed Ubuntu Touch in my google nexus
[10:37] <jitendravyas> Now I'm unable to installl
[10:54] <sturmflut-work> Will anybody here go to LinuxCon Europe 2014 in Düsseldorf?
[10:56] <pitti> sturmflut-work: I will
[11:10] <sturmflut-work> pitti: We are currently deciding who will go to Düsseldorf. Do you know if Canonical has a booth or something?
[11:10] <pitti> sturmflut-work: no, certainly not a booth; I wanted to give a talk, but missed the deadline
[11:10] <pitti> sturmflut-work: most Canonical folks actually go to the kernel summit
[11:11] <pitti> sturmflut-work: but there's also e. g. stgraber and hallyn with an LXC trck
[11:11] <pitti> track
[11:19] <sturmflut-work> pitti: Hm, the Linux Plumbers Conference is right after. But I don't think my employer lets me go to both conferences just for the fun. I am already going to SC14...
[11:19] <pitti> yeah, I'm at both
[11:59] <pitti> cjwatson: I'm setting up a cronjob for the ubuntu-rtm langpacks; so far I've copied them from utopic, but I suppose over time we might get a bigger delta
[11:59] <pitti> cjwatson: how can I upload something to ubuntu-rtm?
[11:59] <pitti> i. e. where to dput them?
[11:59] <cjwatson> pitti: same as ubuntu but with incoming = ubuntu-rtm
[12:00] <pitti> cjwatson: ah splendid, thanks
[12:00] <pitti> cjwatson: will uploading to "14.09" automatically be mapped to -proposed, or should I do that explicitly in the .changes?
[12:01] <cjwatson> pitti: should be mapped
[12:01] <cjwatson> pitti: or you can use devel
[12:01] <pitti> cjwatson: I'd rather not, as I get them from https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+language-packs (i. e. release specific)
[12:02] <cjwatson> pitti: well, devel is contextual by distribution
[12:02] <pitti> and we might support multiple releases in parallel, like for ubuntu
[12:02] <cjwatson> ah right
[12:02] <pitti> yes, I meant relase, not distro
[12:02] <cjwatson> pitti: sure.  14.09 will indeed be mapped
[12:02] <pitti> yay, thanks
[12:02] <pitti> so dput --config, there I go
[12:25] <balloons> zyga, thanks. no worries on getting it built.. I'm out as well and can't look at it today anyway
[12:47] <pitti> hm, developer mode in the emulator is still shaky; it only seems to work on first boot, then adb never comes up :(
[12:48] <dobey> Tassadar: woot. just upgraded :)
[12:49] <sergiusens> ogra_: did you review my default password thingy?
[12:49] <ogra_> didnt i top approve that ?
[12:49]  * ogra_ checks
[12:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: I don't know, I'm in email hell for MPs
[12:50] <ogra_> apparently i didnt yet ... approved all over the place
[12:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: it wasn't ;-)
[12:50] <ogra_> :)
[12:51] <Tassadar> ogra_: hi, do you know why flo images are three versions behind mako's?
[12:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm going to be creating a new team perhaps to get our cor stuff together; having all the apps and everything under phablet-team makes it hard to notice things
[12:51] <ogra_> ++
[12:51] <sergiusens> if the information flow is too much, it just becomes noise
[12:52] <ogra_> Tassadar, thats how it is now... there was never a guarantee they will stay in sync ...
[12:52] <ogra_> we are at a point where devices will drift apart now
[12:53] <sergiusens> Tassadar: what you probably care about is the ubuntu part actually being latest on all
[12:53] <ogra_> (custom tarballs being added, device tarballs being changed etc ... the system-images do not only get triggered by rootfs builds anymore)
[13:02] <Cimi> guys, I don't remember how to upgrade lxc-android-config via apt on a phone
[13:07] <ogra_> Cimi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config
[13:08] <ogra_> via recovery
[13:23] <om26er> whats posclientd ? its taking like 100% cpu constant
[13:23] <ogra_> it is the positioning service ...
[13:23] <ogra_> tvoss, lool ^^
[13:24] <lool> yes
[13:24] <lool> om26er: what device is still on?
[13:24] <om26er> lool, mako, image 235
[13:25] <om26er> ...and slpgwd is also on 100%
[13:25] <lool> om26er: are you connected to wifi and GSM? do you see anything under /var/log/upstart/?
[13:26] <om26er> lool, ubuntu-espoo-service.log ?
[13:26] <om26er> and yes, wifi is on and GSM as well
[13:27] <lool> om26er: that, or ubuntu-location-provider-here-posclientd.log
[13:27] <lool> tvoss: so I'm trying to find the dbus-cpp docs to check whether interface_name() is the thing that shouldbe used in espoo/include
[13:28] <lool> tvoss: is there no doc? just the headers?
[13:28] <om26er> lool, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8318912/
[13:28] <lool> tvoss: ups echan
[13:29] <lool> om26er: is that actually growing? tail -f it
[13:30] <lool> om26er: could you file a bug about this, please note which daemons are running: ofono, posclientd, slpgwd, ubuntu-espoo-service and ubuntu-location-serviced; also check whetehr you have any crash file
[13:31] <om26er> lool, the file is not growing..
[13:31] <lool> om26er: could you try tracing the process?
[13:31] <om26er> lool, also ubuntu-espoo-service.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/8318938/
[13:32] <om26er> lool, never done that, how do I do that ?
[13:32] <lool> om26er: yeah, taht one we know of
[13:32] <lool> om26er: apt-get install strace; strace -f -p $(pidof xyz)
[13:36] <om26er> lool, for how long you need the trace ? here is one for a very small time http://paste.ubuntu.com/8318994/
[13:36] <om26er> it keeps printing that line forever
[13:37] <barry> pitti: hi.  i think i figured it out.  i was trying to trace how the apport sys.excepthook worked, and why when a dbus error occurred it wasn't dumping me out of the process.  but i *think* i figured it all out
[13:38] <lool> om26er: so it's busy-looping on a lock
[13:39] <lool> om26er: I guess we would want to gdb it and get a backtrace of where this lock is taken
[13:39] <lool> om26er: problem is this is a proprietary piece
[13:39] <lool> om26er: so try attaching gdb to it and getting a bt, otherwise just report it with above info
[13:40] <om26er> lool, ok, trying and will attach that to the bug. Which package you want the bug reported against ?
[13:40] <lool> om26er: could you file that against the espoo project?
[13:47] <jgdx> pmcgowan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1287249
[14:06] <ogra_> cwayne, yo
[14:07] <cwayne> ogra_: otp, whats up
[14:07] <ogra_> cwayne, ah, ping back when you are off :)
[14:07] <ogra_> (not urgent)
[14:11] <kenvandine> jgdx, your 2 wifi related branches conflict with each other :)
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you fix your wifi-other-nets-button-fix-1362127 branch?
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, my branch is based on that...
[14:13] <jgdx> oh
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, how? I'm not seeing it
[14:16] <kenvandine> i tried merging them... got a conflict
[14:18] <jgdx> right
[14:25] <jgdx> kenvandine, pushed r1007
[14:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx!
[14:52] <Chipaca> kenvandine: OHI
[14:52] <Chipaca> kenvandine: could you take a peek at https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntu-system-settings/push-helper-to-spec/+merge/234311 ?
[14:56] <novato> Hola..alguno ha portado ubuntu-touch a otros cellsphones...?
[14:58] <kenvandine> Chipaca, sure
[15:24] <ahayzen> tedg, ping
[15:24] <tedg> ahayzen, Howdy!
[15:24] <ahayzen> tedg, Could you tell me who is best to talk to about bugs in the sound-indicator?
[15:25] <tedg> ahayzen, Heh, probably me :-)
[15:25]  * tedg looks for other people to blame
[15:25] <ahayzen> tedg, hehe... i have bug 1368284 and bug 1368291 ... the second probably needing clarification from design
[15:26] <ahayzen> tedg, this is due to MPRIS now being exported from media-hub so the music-app now appears in the sound-indicator \o/
[15:26] <tedg> Ah, cool. Yeah, I expect a few bugs there.
[15:26] <tedg> Will put those on the TODO.
[15:26] <ahayzen> tedg, thanks
[15:41] <EiriksUbuntu> can someone tell me why I am having an issue getting to fastboot? It's only letting me into recovery
[15:42] <EiriksUbuntu> I sudo adb fastboot oem unlock and it hangs because it's not in fastboot but recovery
[15:46] <ogra_> EiriksUbuntu, drop the "adb" there ... your chain of commands should have been: "adb reboot bootloader" ... once the bootloader screen shows up: "fastboot oem unlock"
[15:46] <EiriksUbuntu> ok, trying that
[15:48] <EiriksUbuntu> adb reboot bootloader is rebooting the device all the way
[16:09] <EiriksUbuntu> yeah, it won't reboot to bootloader it just reboots
[16:11] <EiriksUbuntu> ogra_ I still can't get it to fastboot
[16:11] <ogra_> what device is that ?
[16:11] <EiriksUbuntu> TRIO 7C
[16:12] <EiriksUbuntu> aka Trio Stealth Pro
[16:12] <seb128> pmcgowan, the display/language bug, isn't the bug/component rather ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[16:13] <seb128> pmcgowan, we don't use ubuntu-settings-components there, just standard uitk
[16:13] <pmcgowan> seb128, thats not what I am seeing
[16:13] <seb128> where?
[16:14] <pmcgowan> language PageCompomponent imports Menus from settings components
[16:14] <pmcgowan> anud uses Menus.StandardMenu
[16:14] <pmcgowan> am I misreading?
[16:15] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1318008/+merge/234336
[16:15] <seb128> pmcgowan, oh, it is, sorry (I wonder why)
[16:15] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^ can you review that?
[16:15] <seb128> pmcgowan, but ListItem.SingleValue has the same issue
[16:15] <pmcgowan> seb128, ah, I do see some fixed 3 gu type things in the icon
[16:15] <pmcgowan> so maybe tweakble
[16:16] <seb128> pmcgowan, 3. is a toolkit issue though, we have that in any ui, if the title/value don't fit on screen they are elided
[16:17] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:17] <pmcgowan> was thinking they might fit better with a different compoennt, just revewing all bugs when I have time, not critical
[16:17] <seb128> k
[16:17] <seb128> pmcgowan, well, it's an annoying issue for sure
[16:18] <seb128> pmcgowan, jgdx did https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1363927-long-line-rendering-issue/+merge/233519 recently to workaround that
[16:18] <seb128> but it's hackish and inconsistent
[16:18] <seb128> basically he did a SingleValueStacked component
[16:18] <pmcgowan> hmm ya
[16:18] <seb128> which is similar to SingleValue but stack vertically the value
[16:19] <seb128> but we use that only for some entries
[16:19] <EiriksUbuntu> goodin@linux-power-hdd:~$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap
[16:19] <EiriksUbuntu> 2014/09/11 12:18:37 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[16:19] <seb128> which means different lines are different behaviours
[16:19] <kenvandine> i think that should be in the toolkit
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[16:19] <EiriksUbuntu> grr
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, (for the review)
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, indeed, it should
[16:19] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[16:21] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm sure you're the best one to look at the translation of the desktop file changes :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> i basically did exactly the same thing the webbrowser-app did :)
[16:22] <seb128> kenvandine, k, that looks mostly fine on principle (those things are easier using autotools!)
[16:22] <kenvandine> i know!
[16:22] <kenvandine> sometimes i miss autotools :)
[16:22] <kenvandine> but only when using cmake :)
[16:22] <seb128> hehe
[16:23] <EiriksUbuntu> i have tried it manually and terminal... I can't get into bootloader or fastboot
[16:38] <dobey> kenvandine: i only miss it when not using autotools :P
[16:38] <EiriksUbuntu> I found it! But lost as to how to fix it:  the kernel does not write to misc.img so it reboots all the way
[16:38] <EiriksUbuntu> it reboots into recovery only
[16:50] <EiriksUbuntu> is there a way I could adb push a bootloader to my device (misc.img is missing, and the kernel don't make one)
[17:03] <arun_>  hi guys, I have a Samsung S II and its stuck at the bootloader I only have the CWM Recover Mode, There is an error after I install Ubuntu Touch on it, there is black screen, looks like the phone gets shutdown while booting to ubuntu and I get an error in the recovery mode, Can't Open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command checking for autodeploy.zip autodeploy.zip not found
[17:13] <guest868> i use my mako device with dualbooting...android works perfectly but the ubuntu dualboot app in ubuntu touch isnt able to reboot...it just freezes and im not able to open it again..
[17:14] <guest868> can somebody help me?
[17:24] <arun_>  hi guys, I have a Samsung S II and its stuck at the bootloader I only have the CWM Recover Mode, There is an error after I install Ubuntu Touch on it, there is black screen, looks like the phone gets shutdown while booting to ubuntu and I get an error in the recovery mode, Can't Open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command checking for autodeploy.zip autodeploy.zip not found
[18:00] <arun_> hello guys, why doesn't my phone show in lsusb ?
[18:12] <arun_> hi guys, I have a Samsung S II and its stuck at the bootloader I only have the CWM Recover Mode, There is an error after I install Ubuntu Touch on it, there is black screen, looks like the phone gets shutdown while booting to ubuntu and I get an error in the recovery mode, Can't Open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command checking for autodeploy.zip autodeploy.zip not found
[18:12] <ogra_> arun_, did anyone gererate a recent image for the S2 ?
[18:12] <arun_> and why does my phone not shown in lsusb ?
[18:12] <ogra_> the last one i saw was about a year old and will surely not work at all
[18:15] <arun_> ogra_: ^^^
[18:16] <ogra_> i have no idea, probably because the usb device on the phone side isnt up
[18:17] <arun_> ogra_: ok !!
[18:17] <ogra_> do you see it in dmesg right after you plug it in ?
[18:18] <ogra_> or in /var/log/kern.log
[18:18] <arun_> ogra_: so,  won't those images build work fine for s2 ? I got a lot success seen in google
[18:19] <ogra_> the are built against a very ancient ubuntu version ... at least the ones i know ... but i must admit i didnt have time to even look for S2 stuff for more than 6months
[18:19] <ogra_> so probably there is newer stuff now
[18:20] <arun_> ogra_: ok , cat /var/log/kern.log | grep -i Samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 00:13:09 tech kernel: [ 6165.109818] usb 1-4: Product: SAMSUNG_Android
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 00:13:09 tech kernel: [ 6165.109826] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 00:41:13 tech kernel: [ 7849.010265] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 17:08:45 tech kernel: [  290.175101] usb 2-1: Product: SAMSUNG_Android
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 17:08:45 tech kernel: [  290.175110] usb 2-1: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:43:11 tech kernel: [ 3713.234252] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:48:22 tech kernel: [ 4023.399101] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:48:51 tech kernel: [ 4053.080901] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:48:52 tech kernel: [ 4053.489014] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <ogra_> ugh
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:03:57 tech kernel: [12159.176896] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:03:59 tech kernel: [12160.248970] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:06 tech kernel: [12167.347076] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <ogra_> please use a pastebin for such stuff
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:09 tech kernel: [12170.628088] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:10 tech kernel: [12171.784076] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:58 tech kernel: [12219.656094] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:09 tech kernel: [12230.784843] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <ogra_> i.e paste.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:22 tech kernel: [12243.331116] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:22 tech kernel: [12243.845132] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:38 tech kernel: [12259.728095] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:38 tech kernel: [12260.105632] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:42 tech kernel: [12264.189081] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:21] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:43 tech kernel: [12264.565211] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:21] <arun_> ohh man , sorry for the flood
[18:22] <ogra_> right, so obviously your kernel can see the cable and the device, but if the device doesnt offer anything else the kernel or udev  knows you wont be able to do much with it
[18:22] <ogra_> i.e if there is no adb or similar it is just a raw USB device
[18:27] <arun_> ogra_: But, I assume that if must show its info in lsusb
[18:29] <cwayne> ogra_: where are we supposed to put dot-files to check if stuff's run from an upstart job?  i seem to remember it's not in $HOME anywhere anymore
[18:30] <ogra_> cwayne, well, the wizard puts it into home
[18:30] <ogra_> but i assume you want a system thing ?
[18:30] <cwayne> ogra_: yea
[18:30] <cwayne> plus i thought we werent supposed to do it in home anymore in case it runs out of space
[18:31] <ogra_> well, yoou shouldnt do system stuff in home at all
[18:31] <ogra_> :)
[18:32] <cwayne> true :)
[18:32] <ogra_> cwayne, what exactly do you want to do ? we have the boot-hooks that can run on updates etc
[18:32] <ogra_> beyond that i would pick some writable dir in /var
[18:32] <cwayne> ogra_: basically was gonna write a .file to say that this upstart job has been run to ensure its only run once
[18:34] <cyphermox_> mzanetti: ricmm: are you guys aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1357321 ?
[18:34] <cyphermox_> ^ and is there anything I can do to help?
[18:34] <ogra_> cwayne, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.8.html ... scroll down ... /var/lib/misc is writable by default
[18:34] <ogra_> drop it there
[18:35] <cwayne> ogra_: cool, thanks
[18:36] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: hmm.. yeah, I guess you could help with this indeed.
[18:36] <cyphermox_> I'm thinking of starting by writing a tiny reproducer, so that at least I understand what's happening
[18:36] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: so far I only know what I posted in there though. QNetworkAccessManager doesn't realize when a connection comes up
[18:36] <cyphermox_> then I'll compare the code I come up with with that's in unity
[18:37] <cyphermox_> see if there's any difference in how things are done if one works and one doesn't
[18:37] <cyphermox_> or at least have a tiny bit of code to test with to come up with a solution
[18:38] <cyphermox_> I should be able to reproduce this failure case simply on my desktop if it's a problem in QNetworkAccessManager
[18:38] <mzanetti> yes, I can reproduce it on the desktop
[18:39] <mzanetti> with an app I wrote
[18:39] <cyphermox_> oh awesome
[18:39] <cyphermox_> something simple? :)
[18:40] <mzanetti> not really, and requires you to have an AR.Drone to be able to notice when it comes up, but let me point you to the code file nevertheless
[18:40] <cyphermox_> ack
[18:40] <cyphermox_> ah, the ar drone ap?
[18:40] <mzanetti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/dronefly/trunk/view/head:/backend/modules/Dronefly/core.cpp#L76
[18:41] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: that's the place where I delete and recreate the NAM as a workaround
[18:41] <mzanetti> without those 2 lines it'll not work without restarting the app
[18:42] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: this basically just gets called with a timer every 5 secs
[18:42] <cyphermox_> hmm, I see
[18:42] <mzanetti> until the connection to the drone works
[18:42] <cyphermox_> I can reduce this further then
[18:43] <mzanetti> yeah... basically just have a timer, in its slot do some random working network request
[18:43] <cyphermox_> it surprises me though that a network access manager isn't able to figure there's been a change in connection states :/
[18:43] <cyphermox_> yes
[18:43] <mzanetti> well, this does work on other platforms
[18:43] <mzanetti> at least it did on meego
[18:43] <mzanetti> could be a bug from Qt4 -> Qt5 though
[18:46] <cyphermox_> yeah
[18:47] <cyphermox_> either that or an issue in how we build qt
[18:47] <cyphermox_> Note: The network and roaming support in QNetworkAccessManager is conditional upon the platform supporting connection management. The QNetworkConfigurationManager::NetworkSessionRequired can be used to detect whether QNetworkAccessManager utilizes this feature.
[18:55] <mzanetti> hmm... I guess we don't have that in place then
[19:06] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm still puzzled as to why that test started failing on mako, and only mako
[19:06] <kenvandine> but... this does fix it :)
[19:06] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, I don't know, is there always updates available on mako that makes the view shift or something?
[19:06] <kenvandine> well, probably other devices too
[19:06] <kenvandine> that isn't it
[19:06] <seb128> hum
[19:07] <seb128> weird indeed then
[19:07] <kenvandine> i had no updates on mine and i reproduced it
[19:07] <seb128> did you figure out what was the issue?
[19:07] <kenvandine> they started failing on the 4th or 5th
[19:07] <kenvandine> it wasn't getting an item for phonePage
[19:07] <kenvandine> using the logic i had in there before
[19:08] <seb128> did we have many updates on those day?
[19:08] <kenvandine> which used a function that ended up calling some stuff to swipe it into view, etc
[19:08] <kenvandine> if needed
[19:08] <seb128> would be interesting to figure out what change triggered it
[19:08] <kenvandine> there were 2
[19:08] <davmor2> cyphermox_, mzanetti: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1762962374/lego-drone
[19:08] <kenvandine> uitk landings that is
[19:09] <kenvandine> seb128, it was blowing up because when it did a swipe, the y coordinate wasn't changing or somethign
[19:09] <seb128> I hope it's not a toolkit bug
[19:09] <kenvandine> oh... did we land some changes that messed with the contentHeight?
[19:09] <mzanetti> davmor2: heh, I have been in a hacker space last month where they started building this one
[19:09] <kenvandine> or a flickable?
[19:10] <seb128> not on the grid
[19:10] <seb128> nor on the phone page
[19:10] <mzanetti> davmor2: they had already some wooden self made ones (made with their wood laser printer thingie)
[19:10] <davmor2> mzanetti: hahaha
[19:11] <mzanetti> davmor2: I personally fell in love with the Hubsan X4. That thing is real fun :D My cat starts getting comfy with it and tries to catch it now
[19:12] <davmor2> mzanetti: one dead hubsan
[19:12] <mzanetti> no. it's indestructable
[19:16] <davmor2> mzanetti: it's a cat there is no such thing :P
[19:16] <mzanetti> fair point
[19:17] <mzanetti> well, as long as there isn't anything to eat inside I guess its ok
[19:22] <davmor2> mzanetti: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos?pid=5479977697253446162&oid=104244164525559506101 this is the kinda damage cats do :D
[19:23] <mzanetti> hah. yeah... don't give them rubber
[19:24] <davmor2> mzanetti: and this https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/104244164525559506101/albums/5479977470518534417/5479977776047879522?pid=5479977776047879522&oid=104244164525559506101
[19:25] <davmor2> admittedly these are cats that are a little larger than a domestic moggy but it's the same instinct damn it :)
[19:27] <mzanetti> uh... I can see how they do the first one... but the second one doesn't seem like a cat any more :D
[19:30] <davmor2> mzanetti: the first was a big water barrel that the lions played with, the second was the stainless steel door for the enclosure shed that used the rattle in the wind and it annoyed the tiger in the enclosure so he did some rearranging
[19:31] <cyphermox_> davmor2, you mean a kitty cat like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Canadian_lynx_by_Keith_Williams.jpg
[19:32] <davmor2> cyphermox_: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/104244164525559506101/albums/5479977470518534417/5479979852360756706?pid=5479979852360756706&oid=104244164525559506101 this one
[19:32] <cyphermox_> So cute and cuddly
[19:33] <davmor2> https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/104244164525559506101/albums/5479977470518534417/5479982494408818594?pid=5479982494408818594&oid=104244164525559506101
[19:33] <mzanetti> I can see why you wouldn't give a drone to that one, yes
[19:34] <cyphermox_> That one looks a tiny bit less cuddly
[19:40] <davmor2> cyphermox_: the first one was the one that ripped the steel to shreds
[19:42] <davmor2> cyphermox_: you don't really get an idea of how big he is either,  his paw is the size of a large dinner plate if that helps
[19:56] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i haven't forgotten your branch :)
[19:57] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i'm trying to land some simple bug fixes then i'll get your's lined up
[20:29] <matv1> whats krillin
[20:37] <dobey> dragonball character
[20:39] <matv1> dobey yes thanks very helpfull :)
[20:40] <matv1> a DBZ character who marries android#18 right
[20:40] <dobey> i don't know that much about dbz
[20:43] <matv1> dobey well its seems that it is being tested on now
[20:44] <dobey> testing is important, yeah
[20:44] <matv1> oh well probably just a typo by lukasz :)
[20:55] <Chipaca> matv1: we could tell you what krillin is, but then you'd have to work for us
[20:56] <matv1> i allready do :)
[20:57] <Chipaca> darn
[20:57] <matv1> Chipaca well i dont work very hard but then you ppl dont pay me anything
[20:58] <matv1> where did i go wrong in my life
[20:59] <Chipaca> matv1: what do you do?
[21:00] <matv1> Chipaca: wondering what krillin is
[21:01] <Chipaca> matv1: i mean what do you do in ubuntu
[21:01] <Chipaca> matv1: krillin is like mako
[21:02] <matv1> Chipaca: I basicaly use it and help some other ppl use it as well. I tinker on it untill it brakes also. lately i use your sdk for that so i can break my ubuntu phone with my very own app :) all very rewarding
[21:03] <Chipaca> matv1: neat :)
[21:03] <matv1> Chipaca I know ;)
[21:04] <matv1> Chipaca so krillin is like mako. in what way is it not like mako?
[21:04] <Chipaca> matv1: in the ones in which it differs
[21:04] <Chipaca> it has more letters, for one
[21:04] <Chipaca> and the >kr< sound which some find hard
[21:05] <matv1> Chipaca: yes i wondered why anyone would call their baby that
[21:06] <matv1> Chipaca: can you tell me when its due?
[21:06] <Chipaca> matv1: https://flic.kr/p/dk33i
[21:08] <matv1> Chipaca OMG. I have one thats similar. Buts it doenst look that bad
[21:09] <Chipaca> oddly, that's not the strangest one you can find on flickr :)
[21:09] <Chipaca> anyway, i'm wasting your time :)
[21:10] <matv1> Chipaca yesyes but so am I. I will be looking out for the baby shower though! thnks for the info :)
[21:53] <Tail870> Hello.
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> tbr, hello
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> errm
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ignore that
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> misfire


[04:49] <locodir-user> hello
[04:49] <locodir-user> anybody here?
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 1  starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:07] <mhall119> czajkowski: do we have a weekend picked for the next global jam?
[16:08] <czajkowski> mhall119: that's your area not mine :)
[16:08] <czajkowski> I only get told it from jono
[16:08] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[16:10] <czajkowski> and last cycle there wasn't much of a push on it tbh
[19:34] <locodir-user_> maybe someone could tell me how long it takes to load grub2 from the discc
[19:38] <locodir-user_> got your ip hacker


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[09:10] <webczat> Hey, is there someone here who knows how to make synaptics be available for me if i'm using orca?
[09:11] <AlanBell> hi webczat
[09:11] <AlanBell> I asked TheMuso about it
[09:11] <AlanBell> < TheMuso> AlanBell: It should work in vinux, and if you use an accessibility profile when you install Ubuntu, i.e the braille or
[09:11] <AlanBell>                  screen reader profiles, sudo and GUI admin tools work, as long as you don't use gksu.
[09:14] <webczat> but, because i was using pendrive without ability to install gfxboot, i was unable to select accessibility profiles.
[09:15] <webczat> actually, i set accessibility functions to true in gconf, and as mandatory.
[09:16] <webczat> wait
[09:16] <webczat> if i set it as mandatory, it may work now :o
[09:16] <webczat> because it may be the problem of a part of it
[09:16] <webczat> s/of/or
[09:25] <webczat> AlanBell: It's the best to ask TheMuso about, if I was unable to use startup disk creator, and I set accessibility manually to on and as mandatory, should I do anything else to make it work?
[09:26] <webczat> because it does not
[09:32] <AlanBell> really not sure, I will try later on a desktop that I installed with the accessibility profile. The computers I am using at the moment I just started orca on, but didn't do it from the installer. Not sure what difference that makes.
[09:36] <webczat> AlanBell: that does not. but i think that accessibility profile has some specialistic gconf settings or others.
[09:40] <webczat> AlanBell: for example i think it sets /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility to true and as default (or mandatory)
[09:40] <webczat> but it's not the only thing it does
[09:40] <webczat> i'm pretty sure
[09:48] <webczat> I sent a list to orca list, describing my problem as fully as i was able to do it
[21:53] <`marianne`> massive amounts of anxiety really suck...