[00:39] <vata0[m]> anyone around
[00:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm here at the moment, anything we can help you with?
[00:39] <vata0[m]> does ubuntu studio support transp[arancy
[00:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Like transparent terminals?
[00:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Or transparent windows?
[00:40] <vata0[m]> s/transp[arancy/transparency /
[00:40] <vata0[m]> both
[00:40] <arraybolt3[m]> I believe KDE supports that, I can check in just a bit if you'd like. Ubuntu Studio uses the KDE desktop.
[00:41] <vata0[m]> i see its supported by kde but i can never get it to work no matter waht i do
[00:41] <vata0[m]> thats why i wanted to ask somone
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Lemme fire up a VM and see what I can make happen. I've gotten transparent terminals to work before.
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Also what version of Ubuntu Studio are you using?
[00:41] <vata0[m]> im not trying to put u out or anything
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Of course not. I'm here because I like to help.
[00:42] <vata0[m]> Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS x86_64
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> K, one sec, I'll make sure that the ISO I have matches that.
[00:44] <vata0[m]> Kernel: 5.15.0-60-lowlatency... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b210acee6b0e1ab3b80d27ba68a0ee83aa37caec>)
[00:44] <vata0[m]> prolly dont need all that but still
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Better too much info than too little :D
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> And also knowing that the terminal is yakuake is helpful.
[00:45] <vata0[m]> i also tried in konsole
[00:45] <vata0[m]> i like yakauake tho. having a drop down is nice
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, got the right ISO, doing a quick integrity check now.
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Then I can start a VM and test.
[00:48] <vata0[m]> if this helps i have got yakauake to do some transparency but just across the bottom
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Good to know, thank you!
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, what kind of transparency are you looking for? Constant transparency of certain specific windows? Or do you want them to go transparent while moving them, or?
[00:50] <vata0[m]> example would be having my terminal some what transparent all the time
[00:50] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Yeah, I think I've made that happen before.
[00:51] <vata0[m]> i can in other distros but i can never get it to work in studio and i know its not it its something that im not doing
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, got it in Yakuake.
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Basically, you make a new terminal profile, and then change the color of the terminal to enable transparency.
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> For Yakuake, that was doable with these steps:
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> 1. Click on the triple-lines button right next to the Close button on the bottom bar.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/038e6f5fdae6ece2a938af43b19aecc039965426>)
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0: ^
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[00:56] <vata0[m]> did u make a new profile as well or using default
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Made a new profile.
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, I forgot, you have to set the new profile as default.
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]>  * 1. Click on the triple-lines button right next to the Close button on the bottom bar.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7256dee61feef81f2f952f6bdda53fde8d169891>)
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (Changed the instructions to lnclude that step.)
[00:58] <vata0[m]> lol man i could hug u right now
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/ I assume it worked?
[00:58] <vata0[m]> shit has drove me crazy for i couldnt even tell u how long
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Took me quite a bit of fiddling to get it right back when I was doing it the first time. They really could have put the transparency slider somewhere a bit more obvious :P
[00:59] <vata0[m]> seriously
[01:00] <vata0[m]> ok since ur in there and looking around can u see how to make say folders or start menu transparent
[01:00] <vata0[m]> brb
[01:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Might be a bit trickier but I'll see if that's possible.
[01:05] <arraybolt3[m]> lol ok hold on I managed to get everything to be transparent including the wallpaper 🤦
[01:05] <vata0[m]> lol
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> OK so basically if you want to make an arbitrary app transparent always or sometimes, you make a new window rule.
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> The trick is getting the window rule to match only the app you want.
[01:08] <arraybolt3[m]> I've done this before, but still figuring out how.
[01:08] <vata0[m]> u out here saving lives tonight
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, so it's in System Settings, under Workspace -> Window Management -> Window Rules.
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Click "Add New" to make a new rule.
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Now make a title for it in the Description field.
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Under "Window class (application)", select 'Substring Match', then enter the name of the app you want to effect (e.g., Dolphin).
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Now click "Add Property..." and select "Inactive Opacity".
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Then "Add Property..." again and select "Active Opacity". (You can search the property list.)
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Make sure the mode for both is set to "Force", and then choose the opacity amounts you want.
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (I have Inactive set to 25% and and Active set to 100%).
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Once everything's how you like it, click Apply.
[01:12] <arraybolt3[m]> With those settings, the Dolphin window will nearly vanish when inactive, but still be a bit visible. It will become fully visible when you click it.
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[01:14] <arraybolt3[m]> You can repeat the above for each app you want to make do this. You can also set Active Opacity to something less than 100% if you want it to be a bit transparent always.
[01:14] <vata0[m]> man for all the looking around ive done u helped me more then all the articles ive sifted throguh
[01:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (Be a bit careful - a little transparency can go a long way - 25% makes a window nearly vanish, so... yeah.)
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: Heh, you should have seen me fight with this second part - I was trying to make Etcher stop focus stealing and it was a *mess* the first time. Maybe I can write tutorials for it or something.
[01:15] <vata0[m]> do u run  studio on as ur main
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Used to, and still do one some systems.
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> s/one/on/
[01:16] <vata0[m]> ive been running it on my main pc for a while. its always treated me pretty well
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Same for me. I love it, I mainly switched away because I had used it for so long I wanted a change, and also the lowlatency kernel (which is great for audio work) theoretically might have been slowing down raw processing a bit, and I do more raw processing than audio and video. I might switch back though.
[01:17] <vata0[m]> kde makes me feel like im in windows if that makes sense. and studio itself just gives me all the software i want/need for the most part
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Exactly.
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (And it dawns on me I could have just installed the generic kernel alongside the lowlatency one and had the best of both worlds. Hmm... yeah I really might switch back :D)
[01:18] <vata0[m]> its nice not having to figure out how to get jack working and all that
[01:18] <vata0[m]> i feel like i owe u a beer or coffee or something
[01:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, just having something work is awesome. Buy a coworker a coffee if you feel like it.
[01:19] <vata0[m]> is there a reason kde itself wont let u drag and drop like everyhting else without having to hold shift
[01:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, I've never experienced that, is there a particular app (or several apps) this is happening in?
[01:20] <vata0[m]> whne i need to tell somone when it happens i cant ever remember
[01:21] <vata0[m]> hang on let me see ig i can get it to do it
[01:22] <vata0[m]> nope cant remember whne it does it and everything im moving right now is just moving
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> lol, I hate it when that happens to me. It's like when I run into something five or ten times in normal life and then when the fateful moment comes I actually need it, it's gone. 🤣
[01:23] <vata0[m]> its always when u wana talk to somone about something happening that u cant get it to do it
[01:23] <arraybolt3[m]> I wish the reverse wouldn't keep happening (as soon as you want to demonstrate something cool it doesn't work).
[01:23] <vata0[m]> i feel that pain
[01:24] <vata0[m]> is it usually pretty active in here?
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> It's usually mostly quiet since people rarely come in for help, but when someone does come, there's several people here to help (usually the main developer, Eick_meyer, who I am purposefully misspelling the nick of in order to avoid pinging him).
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> A lot of support channels are like that - nearly dead-silent until someone asks for help and then they come to life.
[01:25] <vata0[m]> lol
[01:26] <vata0[m]> i do have a bug i can report tho and i havent heard anyone else say anything about this
[01:27] <vata0[m]> so the default login theme is ubuntu studio. after a update a few weeks back it broke itself no clue why. i have to use breeze now. well dont have to but its the one that was there
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: Is this the one where the nice login prompt stops appearing and you get this weird default one?
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> I think this is a known bug that a fix was recently pushed for, when was the last time you updated the system?
[01:27] <vata0[m]> yyyyeessss it made me change it
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, hey, Eickmeyer apparently just showed up.)
[01:28] <vata0[m]> the virtual keyboard would come up and it just asked crazy
[01:28] <vata0[m]> s/asked/act/
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that's a known bug that should be fixed. An update was pushed that somehow got a bad file in it by mistake. A new update has been pushed since then that resolves that.
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> You should be able to update your system and restart it and that should be gone.
[01:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, just got home after a long day of helping my parents move out of their storage unit arraybolt3
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (There was a file that was supposed to be a symlink to another file that somehow got turned into a regular file with contents that didn't actually work. Normal ways of detecting file changes failed to pick up the error so it sneaked through.)
[01:29] <vata0[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: thanks for an awesome distro. literally one of my favs
[01:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> vata0: Glad to hear it.
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0: In the event an update and reboot doesn't fix the problem, we can do some troubleshooting to make sure that the right setup is all together.
[01:30] <vata0[m]> i havent tried it but i can try it  now just to see. brb
[01:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> Based on the screenshots, 22.04?
[01:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Those were my screenshots, but yes, this is 22.04.
 "Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS x86_64" <- Eickmeyer:
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Unsure why Studio reports itself as being Kubuntu, but it does.)
[01:32] <vata0[m]> worked like a champ but loging in just then reminded me of something
[01:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> vata0: Because neofetch automatically assumes Ubuntu + KDE = Kubuntu. Neofetch is not all-knowing. In the future, use ```lsb_release -a```
[01:33] <vata0[m]> its only been on this version of the lts and this was a clean install. but sometimes the screen will free on login. onlything that reminded me of this is cause i hit my macro whne loggin in so i didnt have to type my password
[01:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Heh, that only reports it as being Ubuntu 22.04.
[01:34] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: I've had that happen on exactly one laptop before, I think it's hardware-dependent.
[01:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Because all flavors of Ubuntu *are* Ubuntu. I'm so sick of people thinking Ubuntu Flavors are independent and separate of Ubuntu.
[01:34] <vata0[m]> arraybolt3[m]: i didnt even think about that when i was giving the info
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> When it happens, I switch to a TTY (Ctrl+Alt+F3), log in, and type sudo systemctl restart sddm. Freezes for a bit, then takes me back to the login prompt which should then work. Then I switch back to the TTY again, type exit to close, go back to the login screen with Ctrl+Alt+F1, and log in.
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: This was on a machine with NVIDIA graphics using the open-source Nouveau driver due to the GPU's age, I wonder if you're doing the same thing?)
[01:35] <vata0[m]> arraybolt3[m]: when it happens its a hard lock up and i cant do anything]
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Not even Ctrl+Alt+F3?
[01:36] <vata0[m]> na have to power off
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Yikes. Sounds like the kernel is freezing then. That's almost certainly something odd with your hardware.
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> I see you're still on the 5.15 kernel, I wonder if switching to the HWE kernel would help.
[01:36] <vata0[m]> i will say tho this pc didnt have a graphics card ion it before and it does now. im using nvidia drivers tho
[01:37] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: If you want to try to install the HWE kernel and see if that helps, you can run `sudo apt install linux-lowlatency-hwe-22.04` in a terminal and it should do it. That will update your kernel to version 5.19, which might work better. Or it might work worse, you won't know until you try. You can always fall back to the old kernel if it goes south.
[01:37] <vata0[m]> its not often it happens and the macro on my keybaord stopped it cause soon as login comes up it will type my password and log me in
[01:37] <vata0[m]> i know its not the saftest doing it that way but it solved the problem
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, not sure that a keyboard macro with your password programmed into it is the most secure thing on the planet, but whatever works.
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, this is the login screen, not the lock screen, right?
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> (The two look very similar but are different.)
[01:38] <vata0[m]> yea login screen
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> K. Yeah, if it's locking up hard, I'd try the kernel upgrade to see if that helps. If not, then I dunno what would help with that.
[01:39] <vata0[m]> its not a deal breaker by any means and it doesnt happen to often
[01:40] <arraybolt3[m]> On my one laptop, the login screen would freeze but I could still get to a TTY and restart SDDM to fix it. It's curious that it only happens on the login screen, does it ever happen any other time?
[01:41] <vata0[m]> na just the login screen
[01:41] <vata0[m]> never had it happen waking up or anything
[01:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, as long as it doesn't cause any lost work that's what's important I guess.
[01:42] <vata0[m]> na nothing like that
[01:42] <arraybolt3[m]> If I can reproduce it at some point we can look further into it and maybe figure out how to get it fixed.
[01:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or if it can be reproduced by any of the devs.)
[01:43] <vata0[m]> hmm ive never heard anyone other then me say anything about it
[01:43] <vata0[m]> not saying it is but it might be my hardware config for some reason
[01:43] <vata0[m]> hell maybe its my ssd having a moment
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, that sounds plausible. I've had strange lockups when my SSD suddenly got hammered, though that was with Ubuntu Desktop.
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sidenote, we generally keep the language entirely family-friendly for the sake of other users in the room.)
[01:44] <vata0[m]>  noted
[01:45] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Fixed the problem by switching to a faster computer with a much better SSD :P It was a pretty slow ADATA that was doing this.
[01:45] <vata0[m]> samsung evo
[01:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. Care to check for I/O errors?
[01:46] <vata0[m]> drop the command ill give u the output
[01:46] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 will show me your kernel dmesg log so I can look for anything suspicious. The command will spit out a link you can paste in.
[01:46] <arraybolt3[m]> You can also do sudo dmesg | grep -i 'i/o' if you want to filter the log for stuff with 'I/O' or 'i/o' in it.
[01:47] <arraybolt3[m]> s//`/, s//`/, s/in/into the chat/
[01:49] <vata0[m]> https://termbin.com/hc5j
[01:49] <vata0[m]> ran sudo dmesg | grep -i 'i/o'
[01:49] <vata0[m]> spit out [    0.132999] APIC: Switch to symmetric I/O mode setup
[01:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, I don't see any errors in there, so if there is a problem the system didn't hit it this time.
[01:51] <arraybolt3[m]> You can also check the SMART data for your SSD to make sure it's still working alright. sudo apt install smartmontools will install a tool, smartctl, for that. Then you can do sudo smartctl -x /dev/DRIVE_ID (replacing DRIVE_ID as appropriate - it will usually be sda or nvme0) and it will spit out a ton of diagnostic info. And if you want me to look at it you can do sudo smartctl -x /dev/DRIVE_ID | nc termbin.com 9999 and
[01:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I can look at it.
[01:52] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't expect to see anything bad though - SSDs are usually pretty reliable, Samsung SSDs especially so (with the exception of the 990 Pro NVMe SSDs and a few other models, which have a firmware bug that causes rapid wear, but I don't think you have one of those if you have an EVO SSD).
[01:53] <vata0[m]> na this is like a 960 or a 970 i cant remember off the top of my head
[01:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that should be good. I have a 970 EVO Plus 1 TB in this laptop and it works great and doesn't suffer from the firmware bug.
[01:54] <vata0[m]> sorry 870
[01:54] <vata0[m]> [01:55] <vata0[m]> i mean since we here talking why not
[01:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Holy moly that's a lot of writes, hang on a bit...
[01:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh actually that's not so bad.
[01:56] <arraybolt3[m]> 2.18 TiB written, that SSD should take much, much more.
[01:57] <arraybolt3[m]> And none of your SMART values are out of range (below the THRESHOLD value), so that's good.
[01:58] <vata0[m]> ill remove that  so it wont clutter chat
[01:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean it's not causing that much of a problem but if you want.
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, I'm getting hungry, I should probably go. Glad we were able to get transparency working! Anything else I can try to help with before I go?
[02:00] <vata0[m]> im good and seriously i really do appreciate your help.
[02:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Glad I could help, and happy to hear that Ubuntu Studio's working for you! Don't hesitate to come back if something goes wrong or you need help. :)
[02:02] <vata0[m]> for sure. ill come back through just to run my mouth and check yall out prolly
[02:02] <vata0[m]> have a good night
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: If you like off-topic chat, there's an #ubuntu-studio-offtopic:matrix.org channel where we talk about whatever. It's not super active, but it gets some fun activity every so often.
[02:03] <vata0[m]> awesome ill join
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> sort
[22:43] <arraybolt3> uniq
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> That was a command that was supposed to be internal, but broadcasted.
[22:46] <arraybolt3> lol, looked like you were trying really hard to sort something and it kept going to different channels :P
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: TBH, I was trying really hard to sort something.
[22:54] <arraybolt3> Heh, one of these days I'll accidentally rattle off my ISO-checking oneliner into a random channel and then we'll laugh at that.
[22:55] <arraybolt3> gpg --keyid-format=long --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS |& grep Good && sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS |& grep OK


[04:37] <mehdi__> hey guys can somebody explain to me what is snappy exactly? i dont quite get it from what the website says
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[10:04] <leandrosansilva> Hey, is it possible to have non-dockered snappy-packages? Somethig similar to ubuntu-core?
[10:25] <ogra_> i would assume the majority of snappy packages doesnt use the docker framework
[11:44] <leandrosansilva> Oh, and is there any xserver package available? I'd like to run it on a physical machine instead of a virtualized one, but using the search command I found nothing, not a way of installing it. Is there any way of converting existing .deb packages to snappy ones?
[13:36] <jdstrand> lool: hey, can you keep an eye on the 'Re: need help with freedomotic snappy app' thread in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>the person's system is out of date and they are on raspberry pi2. I have a feeling there might be questions regarding upgrading and/or reflashing


[09:14] <erGoline> login screen appears, I can view the login textbox.. but image is "blurred", and it seems zoomed too..
[09:15] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, that looks goot
[09:15] <smurfslay> good
[09:15] <smurfslay> http://nopaste.biz/?1001
[09:15] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, so you see  intel8x0 listed are the entries prefaced with "snd-" or not
[09:16] <trey3> MFen, its in Universe
[09:16] <MFen> trey3: i'm not finding it, and i have universe enabled
[09:16] <smurfslay> LinuxJones just look at that nopaste link..
[09:16] <MFen> something's kooky here..
[09:16] <will> anyone know why suddenly my ac 97 is playing everything (all output) at 2x??
[09:16] <trey3> MFen, source = pysvn....
[09:16] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, worry was watching tv :D
[09:16] <smurfslay> np :)
[09:17] <MFen> trey3: "unable to find a source package for pysvn".. i definitely have universe, i just double-checked it
[09:17] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, ok that seems to be correct. Try gstreamer-properties and select alsa
[09:18] <jaco> hi all
[09:18] <jaco> :)
[09:18] <jaco> good ubunto everyone :)
[09:18] <jaco> u
[09:18] <LinuxJones> jaco, hi
[09:18] <MFen> trey3: are you on warty?
[09:18] <trey3> MFen, no... but hold on
[09:19] <seitanan> trey3: yep it looks like otr is the best of the two..
[09:19] <smurfslay> LinuxJones - i can select ALSA but if i use the testbutton, an error occurs:
[09:19] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, are you doing that as regular user ?
[09:19] <smurfslay> "Test Forwarding for ALSA couldn't be created"
[09:20] <smurfslay> i called that from root-console
[09:20] <MFen> trey3: apt-file search for pysvn turns up nada
[09:20] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, try form your regular account
[09:20] <trey3> MFen, grrr... hold on... site is being slow...
[09:20] <ermo> interesting. Whenever I give focus to metacity, it crashes. Just upgraded to hoary. Any ideas_
[09:20] <ermo> ?
[09:20] <LinuxJones> god my typing is horrible today :(
[09:20] <MFen> trey3: yes, i noticed that too :)
[09:20] <trey3> ermo, read topic...
[09:21] <ermo> trey3, oh, my bad
[09:21] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, same errors
[09:22] <trey3> ermo, bug is fixed... likely will be propagated soon
[09:22] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, sorry I am out of ideas it outta be working. Maybe try logging out then back in again, I dunno :(
[09:22] <smurfslay> hmm ok.. thanks
[09:23] <LinuxJones> GL
[09:23] <smurfslay> ... so maybe u have the solution for my next problem?! ;)
[09:23] <MFen> trey3: looks like it's only in hoary
[09:24] <smurfslay> i have a notebook with SXGA+ display (1400*1050) but only get a 1280*1024 resolution...
[09:24] <ermo> trey3, lol, tried to 'minimize' bugzilla. And then metacity crashed. Duh. Hehe. By far the cutest bug I've seen in a while.
[09:24] <smurfslay> i patched the VBIOS with the 1400*1050 patch... but without success
[09:24] <trey3> MFen, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pysvn/  <-- 2.3 is there... just download it?
[09:25] <trey3> ermo, I wanted to kill people...
[09:25] <MFen> trey3: i'm just doing an apt-get source from hoary, i'll build it. thanks though :)
[09:25] <trey3> MFen, that works I guess  :)
[09:26] <MFen> hopefully the version dependencies aren't too picky...
[09:26] <ermo> trey3, I imagine I'll feel the same way in, say ... oh, a few minutes, perhaps? Also, subjectively, fonts are *MUCH* improved from XFree to X.org, methinks.
[09:26] <trey3> MFen, just get the 2.3 package... shouldn't have any hiccups ?
[09:27] <trey3> ermo, mhmm... fontconfig updates rule  :)
[09:27] <trey3> ermo, heh... it was kinda cool till the first time I lost a window entirely... then I started getting mad  ;)
[09:28] <ermo> trey3, I can imagine. At first, I had no idea what was happening. Do you suppose one could just grab the deb-src, apply the patch from the bugzilla and then be done with it?
[09:29] <trey3> ermo, just be patiant... its coming  :)
[09:30] <trey3> ermo, was uploaded a few hours ago... so yeah... give it time or revert to 2.9.3 or so
[09:30] <seitanan> hehe i wish i could say the same about encryption in gaim :)
[09:30] <ermo> trey3, sure thing.
[09:33] <tolstoy> how do you revert to previous metacity?
[09:35] <seb128> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/
[09:35] <seb128> the 2.9.3 debs are still here
[09:35] <tolstoy> there's no apt-get revert metacity, or something?
[09:37] <seitanan> seb128: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/metacity.whatewer.deb && apt-get remove metacity && dpkg -i metacity.whatewer.deb
[09:37] <ermo> trey3, odd. perhaps you could confirm this for me: in desktop->preferences->menus & toolbars, if I select 'text beside icons' i get no text?
[09:38] <seb128> the mirrors should have 2.9.8
[09:38] <seitanan> seb128: ignore that please :)
[09:38] <seitanan> that was meant for tolstoy
[09:38] <seb128> http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/ has 2.9.8
[09:38] <tolstoy> seitanan, thanks!  Having a bit of a prob managing these jumping windows. ;)
[09:40] <trey3> ermo, strange... in the config tool itself... yes... in gedit the setting is taken though...
[09:40] <ermo> trey3, so it's not just me?
[09:40] <tolstoy> Ah!  Much better. ;)
[09:41] <ermo> trey3, w00t. I found a bug. *happy tux dance*
[09:41] <ermo> ... ahem.
[09:42] <trey3> seb128, wanna put that in topic also? (so we don't have to keep repeating etc  :)
[09:42] <fraggsta> I've just reinstalled and upgraded to hoary, which doesn't seem to want to install properly..now it will not install the package "gnome"
[09:42] <seb128> trey3: if you want
[09:42] <trey3> seb128, I can't... hence asking you  :)
[09:43] <fraggsta> instead I get:  gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 62ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:43] <seb128> fraggsta: "gnome" is not really updated in hoary
[09:43] <seb128> fraggsta: use ubuntu-desktop
[09:43] <fraggsta> also, metacity is constantly segfaulting
[09:43] <trey3> seb128, heh... see... more people then I thought use hoary  ;)
[09:43] <seb128> known issue, read what we were saying
 http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/ has 2.9.8
[09:43] <seb128> which fixes the issue
[09:44] <fraggsta> I wasn't here 5 minutes ago :(
[09:44] <trey3> seb128, please change topic  ^_^
[09:44] <fraggsta> but ok
[09:44] <seb128> trey3: I'm not op
[09:44] <seitanan> when is hoary going to be somewhat stable?
[09:44] <seb128> when it's released
[09:45] <fraggsta> is that an APT source, or should I just download a package?
[09:45] <ermo> ... which is around april or so, right?
[09:45] <trey3> seb128, hah... wonder if daniels or anyone is around *cough*
[09:45] <mojo_> I may not be doing rocket science here, but hoary has not given me any grief
[09:45] <seb128> ermo: 5.04
[09:45] <sap> does universe exist for hoary?
[09:45] <seitanan> sure and when is that?
[09:45] <seb128> fraggsta: you can use it as a mirror or download the debs
[09:45] <trey3> sap, yes
[09:45] <ermo> sap: No. There is no spoon.
[09:45] <mojo_> ermo: lol
[09:46] <ermo> seb128, I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand '5.04'? You are asking when that will be stable, right?
[09:46] <hacim> how do I mount my USB cdrom?
[09:46] <trey3> ermo, April 2005
[09:47] <seb128> ermo: 05 is the year, 04 the month
[09:47] <ermo> seb128, ahhh. I see. Good one.
[09:47] <do3cc> Hi, can anybody give me a hint with installing the latest stable version of ubuntu? PS/2 Keyboard is dead after booting the cd...
[09:47] <trey3> Uhh... wait... thats May huh?
[09:47] <fraggsta> what would be a sources.list line for it?
[09:47] <seitanan> hacim: mount /my/USB/cdrom :P
[09:47] <fraggsta> hoary main restricted?
[09:48] <djuuss> only when its in /etc/fstab tho
[09:48] <trey3> fraggsta, deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[09:48] <djuuss> otherwise use sudo mount /my/usb/cdrom /my/perfectly/normal/and/usable/and/not/at/all/impractical/mount/point
[09:49] <hacim> seitanan: is there anyway to get the CDROM icon in "Desktop" to do that?
[09:49] <fraggsta> trey3: thanks
[09:49] <ermo> ngghh ... must .. have .. new .. metacity .. yesterday
[09:49] <ermo> trey3, I think I just hit the threshold.
[09:50] <seitanan> hacim: try dmesg|grep hd* and what do you get?
[09:50] <hacim> seitanan: just hda
[09:50] <hacim> seitanan: it appears as sr0
[09:51] <fraggsta> people might hate me for this question since the site says that it's "coming soon" but any idea when x.org will go into whatever ubuntu calls its stable distro in future?
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> don't use sudo mount for cdroms
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> use pmount
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> mount /dev/sr0
[09:51] <darkling> fraggsta: April.
[09:51] <hacim> pmount?
[09:51] <seitanan> hacim: ok.. try mount /dev/sr0 /home/hacim/test
[09:51] <hacim> seitanan: that works
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> pmount even
[09:51] <duzchip> Anyone know if it's hard to install a cs-server on ubuntu?
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> pmount will automagically mount the device in /media/
[09:51] <duzchip> It's only for testing, i know ubuntu isn't the best dist for servers
[09:52] <hacim> seitanan: but I want to get the device to work without requiring to type that (click on the cdrom icon)
[09:52] <mojo_> i am running x.org now, seems to work fine
[09:53] <seitanan> hacim: i'm guessing you have to put something in your /etc/fstab
[09:55] <fraggsta> I've had far too much "excitement" today, what with getting an RMAed replacement HDD, reinstalling ubuntu, accidentally deleting a reiserfs partition full of data and dealing with RL hassles :(
[09:55] <quitte_> is the xorg package structure very hard to understand? is it possible for someoene with advanced knowledge about debian package management to change the xorg source package to work with cvs?
[09:55] <quitte_> can *I* do it in let's say 12 hours?
[09:55] <quitte_> I *need* xorg cvs
[09:57] <ermo> trey3, I just experienced that. I remove the core X packages and those 2 stopped being a pain.
[09:57] <ermo> *removed, even.
[09:57] <ermo> bah. *experienced.
[09:57] <ztonzy> hey :)
[09:57] <trey3> ermo, eh... but I want gnomemeeting  :/
[09:57] <ztonzy> anyone here that owns a Shuttle mainboard ?
[09:58] <ermo> oh. forgot about that
[09:58] <trey3> ztonzy, just ask the question...
[09:58] <erGoline> uff.. no help with my xfree? :\
[09:58] <trey3> erGoline, whats the problem?
[09:58] <erGoline> trey3: hi, login screen appears, I can view the login textbox.. but image is "blurred", and it seems zoomed too..
[09:58] <fhobia> hey guys...what package do i install to get gcc man pages?
[09:59] <trey3> erGoline, curser fairly large?
[09:59] <ztonzy> trey3, hmm sorry...it seems no matter what I do, I get "Ext3 Filesystem error" now and then...but using XP never gives me error, even other distros....debian and fedora gave me similar error
[09:59] <erGoline> I view a lot of lines.. etc..
[09:59] <ztonzy> trey3, so I think it comes down to the hardware :-/
[10:00] <Vjaz> fhobia: gcc
[10:00] <erGoline> trey3, curser?
[10:00] <trey3> ztonzy, Fedora and Debian default to ext3  ... suse etc do not...
[10:00] <trey3> erGoline, trying to see if what you say is related to resolution or what...
[10:00] <fhobia> Vjaz, well, some guy installed gcc ...but when he does "man gcc" nothing comes up ?
[10:00] <ztonzy> trey3, well I havent used suse
[10:00] <ztonzy> trey3, problem is...that every now and then it gives me that error...
[10:01] <Vjaz> fhobia: Maybe it's different in Warty if that's what he's using.
[10:01] <Vjaz> fhobia: I have Hoary.
[10:01] <fhobia> yeah its Warty
[10:01] <ztonzy> so I got tired of it and now in meantime I only use XP
[10:01] <trey3> ztonzy, if nothing seems wrong... and fsck.ext3 gives nothing (I think thats the command) I wouldn't worry about it...
[10:01] <ztonzy> trey3, and I use Ubuntu otherwise :)
[10:01] <ztonzy> trey3, I have even needed to run it with that...using Knoppix
[10:02] <ztonzy> and fixed it
[10:02] <ztonzy> trey3, but doing that all the time makes one tired
[10:02] <lerio> hi! i just upgraded metacity in hoary and not able to minimize/close/resize windows anymore. any clues?
[10:02] <trey3> ztonzy, old harddrive?
[10:02] <ztonzy> trey3, oh no!  I bought it in august or sept
[10:02] <ztonzy> Seagate...dont know the model now
[10:02] <ztonzy> 80GB 2MB cache
[10:02] <erGoline> trey3, I'm changing resolution in XF86Config.. is there a quick way to test them?
[10:02] <ztonzy> ata100
[10:02] <trey3> lerio, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:03] <trey3> erGoline, hit ctrl alt backspace
[10:03] <lerio> trey3: ok
[10:03] <Vjaz> fhobia: do you have a system that has the man page?
[10:03] <Vjaz> fhobia: if you do, try 'dpkg -S gcc.1.gz' there
[10:03] <ermo> lerio, in case you are wondering, it kills the X server
[10:03] <Vjaz> fhobia: on a terminal
[10:04] <ermo> lerio, which is then promptly restarted by gdm
[10:04] <trey3> lerio, yeah... thats all... contains fix  :)
[10:04] <tritium> fhobia, manpages-dev is what you want
[10:04] <ztonzy> trey3, some guy told me he think have heard some errors using linux and some shuttle mobo...but I dont know
[10:04] <ermo> trey3, ... not to mention a new version number *rrreeeeooorww*
[10:04] <Sav> Anyone know hot to get the monitor to work on a Dell D800? "Display needed some major tweaking to get working. Manual ModeLines had to be added."
[10:04] <fhobia> tritium, Vjaz: i'm only using the livecd to be honest and trying to help a new guy in linux
[10:05] <fhobia> tritium, that worked!
[10:05] <erGoline> trey3, thanks.. but same "blurry" screen..
[10:05] <fhobia> thank you
[10:05] <ermo> Sav, CRT or LCD?
[10:05] <tritium> fhobia, sure ;)
[10:05] <lerio> trey3, ermo: yeah, i guessed so ;)
[10:05] <fhobia> tritium, Vjaz: you just kept one more person on linux...he almost went back
[10:05] <Sav> Laptop tft
[10:05] <fhobia> lol
[10:05] <tritium> lerio, which version of metacity do you have please?
[10:05] <Vjaz> fhobia: for not finding the GCC man page? what kind of a person is this?
[10:05] <trey3> erGoline, I don't really understand what you mean by blurry  :(
[10:05] <trey3> lerio, issue resolved
[10:05] <ztonzy> trey3, it is this mainboard model:  AN35/N Ultra
[10:06] <trey3> tritium, ^^
[10:06] <ztonzy> Shuttle
[10:06] <Sav> ermo: laptop tft
[10:06] <fhobia> Vjaz, we had a "free your machine" event where we installed ubuntu on everybody that brought their machine
[10:06] <trey3> tritium, put this in your paste cache: deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:06] <erGoline> trey3, I could bring my digital camera and take a picture :)
[10:06] <ermo> erGoline, as in 'not syncing'? where all you see is 'flickering stripes' but no real image?
[10:06] <tritium> lerio, it's fixed, and the package is uploaded.  just not in the repo yet
[10:06] <fhobia> Vjaz, most of these people want to try it out for systems programming class
[10:06] <ermo> Sav, oh.
[10:06] <trey3> erGoline, haha... worth a shot  8)
[10:06] <tritium> trey3, what for?
[10:06] <trey3> tritium, you're lagging pretty bad huh?
[10:06] <Vjaz> fhobia: hm... ok, what OS did he previously have then?
[10:06] <ermo> fhobia, you installed ubuntu on ... everybody?
[10:06] <tritium> trey3, I have ti.
[10:07] <fhobia> Vjaz, windows
[10:07] <erGoline> ermo, no.. still image.. very blurry with vertical and horizontal lines
[10:07] <tritium> lerio, doesn't have it
[10:07] <ztonzy> no hardware expert on mobos ;) ?
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: 2.9.5-0
[10:07] <trey3> tritium, it has metacity 2.9.8 ...  and I'm already getting sick of pasting...
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: ok
[10:07] <fhobia> ermo, errr their computer? we didn't insert the cd into their...
[10:07] <tritium> lerio, ubuntu1 or ubuntu2?
[10:07] <trey3> lerio, yea... just go update and upgrade from what I told you
[10:07] <ermo> fhobia, hehe. Had to ask ;)
[10:07] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: my board is shuttle (it's a sng41 shuttle box), and I have no problems
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: 1
[10:07] <tritium> lerio, that's the problem
[10:07] <erGoline> ermo, mouse pointer is quite visibile but it's square
[10:07] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: make sure you have your BIOS updated
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: ok. thanks a lot!
[10:08] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, hmm...okej
[10:08] <fhobia> we really appreciate the free cd thing...
[10:08] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I do have latest
[10:08] <ermo> erGoline, does your display have a button where you can see the horisontal frequency in kHz?
[10:08] <ermo> horizontal, even
[10:08] <erGoline> ermo, no :(
[10:08] <estebandido> is anyone familiar with the conexant modem driver install process?
[10:09] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, that was one of the thing I did trying to fix the error...even changed IDE cables 3 times...
[10:09] <mbp_> erGoline/ermo: what about changing the refresh using xrandr?
[10:10] <ermo> mbp_, excellent idea. Definitely worth a try.
[10:10] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Have you tested the drive with any low level error checking software?
[10:10] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, for windows or how ?
[10:10] <Sav> ermo: any ideas about tft not working on Dell D800?
[10:10] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I guess not :/
[10:10] <erGoline> mbp_, how?
[10:10] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Not sure about windows software, but some linux livecds come with badblocks and friends
[10:10] <ermo> Sav, yes, but it requires that you understand how to compute modelines...
[10:11] <fhobia> interesting, no gpdf on the livecd
[10:11] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, you mean fsck.ext3  ?
[10:11] <fhobia> atleast theres xpdf
[10:11] <lerio> tritium: ehm.. can you retype the repository? :)
[10:11] <Sav> ermo: hmmm, so im pretty fucked?
[10:11] <mbp_> erGoline: first try running "xrandr" in a terminal
[10:11] <ermo> Sav, or, my ide was to try a more conservative modeline
[10:11] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Nah, that's a filesystem level check, not a block level check
[10:11] <tritium> lerio, http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/
[10:11] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, hm ok....
[10:11] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: I'm wondering if your hd isn't having problems
[10:11] <ermo> Sav, or ... perhaps ... setting a very conservative HoriSync value_
[10:11] <ermo> ?
[10:11] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo,  other than that my Ubuntu works perfect (almost)
[10:12] <Sav> ermo: hmm, like how ? =)
[10:12] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, well...my latest ideas is targeting the mainboard
[10:12] <lerio> tritium: with deb * hoary universe ?
[10:12] <ermo> erGoline, what monitor and gfx card are you using again?
[10:12] <ztonzy> or rather maiboard+linux
[10:12] <erGoline> mbp_, I switch to a termina with ctrl alt f1..
[10:12] <ermo> Sav, be right with you on that
[10:12] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Windows may justnot be reporting the problem
[10:12] <tritium> lerio, ?
[10:12] <Sav> ok no hurry =)
[10:13] <erGoline> ermo, is a damend All-in-one LCD PC.. with a sis compatible VGA card
[10:13] <trey3> lerio, you can either just add what I said to /etc/apt/sources.list... and upgrade... or install manually..
[10:13] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, yeah correct...my idea too
[10:13] <tritium> lerio, just grab libmetacity and metacity 2.9.8 for your architecture
[10:13] <trey3> lerio, he is telling you to install manually... I said automatic...
[10:13] <trey3> deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:13] <mbp_> erGoline: no, run this froma  gnome-terminal in X
[10:13] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I did though send it in for service check...but they didnt found any error...and also, the onboard NIC works perfect in XP....in linux I can get network lag
[10:13] <mbp_> at least if your display is good enough to do that?
[10:14] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Hmm, odd
[10:14] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, if I use Xchat in linux I suddenly see the lagmeter raise...
[10:14] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, never happens in XP
[10:14] <erGoline> mbp_, I cannot view nothing in X! it's all blurred and zoomed in.. no way to view a single char
[10:14] <vitaminmoo> Hmm
[10:14] <ztonzy> indeed odd
[10:14] <vitaminmoo> Googled for linux problems on that bored yet?
[10:14] <ztonzy> board* ?
[10:15] <ztonzy> I tried too
[10:15] <lerio> tritium, i see.. i'm pretty new with repositories and i thought that each line in sources.list needed the deb prefix...
[10:15] <vitaminmoo> yeah
[10:15] <ztonzy> but haven't found yet
[10:15] <tritium> lerio, if you want to add the repo to your sources.list, you can
[10:15] <ermo> sav, in your XF86Config-4, look for the section called 'Monitor'
[10:15] <SirPsy> i have some odd problem with auto-mounting my partitions
[10:15] <tritium> lerio, or, if you just want a quick fix, download those files, and we can used "dpkg -i" to install them
[10:15] <SirPsy> somehow something overrides my settings in fstab and mtab
[10:16] <SirPsy> and mounts my partions other then i want
[10:16] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, but then I dont even if I used the correct search (words)
[10:16] <mbp_> erGoline: have you tried Ctrl-Alt-+ ?
[10:16] <mbp_> (is that enabled in ubuntu by default?)
[10:16] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, been even thinking of buying a cheap VIA KT600 mobo as well...
[10:16] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: something including your motherboard model, linux, and generic problem words
[10:17] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, probably yes
[10:17] <erGoline> mbp_, just reboot.. please wait a minute
[10:17] <tritium> lerio, do you have a preference?
[10:17] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, have been wondering also if has to do with kernels
[10:17] <ztonzy> maybe time to make a custom from 2.6.10
[10:17] <lerio> tritium, i want to put the repository in the sources.list. i added the url and tried to upgrade and now is telling me it is not known
[10:18] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Could, yeah
[10:18] <spiral> ouah... acpi-support update... Am I dreaming if I hope this will handle my smart battery ?
[10:18] <ermo> mbp_, what's the name of the X log file? I've looked in /tmp and my $HOME but can't seem to locate it?
[10:18] <JoePenguin> ermo: look in /var/log/
[10:18] <mbp_> ermo: /var/log/X.0.log
[10:18] <ermo> JoePenguin, Duh. of course.
[10:18] <tritium> lerio, did you "sudo apt-get update"?
[10:18] <ermo> sorry
[10:18] <trey3> lerio, what did you put in your souces.list?
[10:18] <estebandido> am i right in thinking that the kernel source files are in /usr/include/linux?
[10:18] <erGoline> mbp_, nothing happens
[10:19] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, maybe there's something in the 2.6.8.* series that doesn't like my mobo ;)
[10:19] <JoePenguin> estebandido: no
[10:19] <estebandido> ah
[10:19] <lerio> tritium, yes
[10:19] <trey3> sources.list *
[10:19] <lerio> trey3, only the url
[10:19] <ermo> erGoline, what does your /var/log/X.0.log say?
[10:19] <trey3> lerio, you need the entire line: deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:19] <JoePenguin> ermo: mine usually go into /usr/src/ or /usr/local/src/
[10:19] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Certainly a possibility
[10:19] <ermo> JoePenguin, but that's because you're a tinkerer at heart, isn't it? ;)
[10:20] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, ubuntu is the system I have tried that mostly just works...perfect for my digicam and usb stick
[10:20] <JoePenguin> ermo: something like that :)
[10:20] <vitaminmoo> Running archlinux right now, going to give ubuntu a try on an extra partition, though
[10:20] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I just wish there also were official KDE for ubuntu too ;)  if one wants to swap
[10:20] <lerio> trey3, ok, it's updating now
[10:20] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, talking about 2.6.10 ?
[10:20] <vitaminmoo> Fortunately that is not something I am concerned about ^_^
[10:21] <ztonzy> aha
[10:21] <trey3> lerio, yay  :)
[10:21] <lerio> trey3 tritium, thanks
[10:21] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, concerned about what ?
[10:21] <erGoline> ermo, I'm checking
[10:21] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: kde
[10:21] <tritium> lerio, sure
[10:21] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, ahaa....
[10:21] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: (:
[10:21] <ztonzy> :P
[10:22] <ztonzy> it is funny ,  either you like gnome or kde
[10:22] <ermo> JoePenguin, well, I'm still trying to find the X.org log. Hm. Maybe I should just ask man. As always. *sigh*
[10:22] <lerio> trey3 tritium, also, a very bad flu is slowing me down... :D
[10:22] <tritium> lerio, you did well
[10:22] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: The really great thing, though, is that they're both available
[10:22] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, archlinux...isn't that a swedish guy who started ?
[10:23] <erGoline> ermo, "vrefresh out of range"
[10:23] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, true !
[10:23] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Not sure of his origins, that certainly sounds plausible
[10:23] <ermo> erGoline, on a side note, what driver are you using ?
[10:23] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I think I have ready...( I am swede )
[10:23] <JoePenguin> lerio: I know how you feel. I had to call in my first sick day in 6 months today. :/
[10:23] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: It's quite a nice distribution, just a bit small
[10:23] <ztonzy> read it*
[10:23] <estebandido_> JoePenguin: i got dropped
[10:23] <estebandido_> can you tell me where the source files are? for the kernel, i mean
[10:24] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I am not that into linux yet...I am sticking to those that still have nice package managements
[10:24] <erGoline> ermo, Generic VGA
[10:24] <JoePenguin> estebandido: if they are not under /usr/src, then you probably don't have them installed.
[10:24] <ermo> ztonzy, I consider myself 'into linux'. I still prefer 'those with nice packagage managements' ;)
[10:25] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: For a small distro, it's package management is very featureful and stable. I ran Gentoo for a long time, and didn't really miss anything moving to archlinux
[10:25] <JoePenguin> ermo: i agree
[10:25] <estebandido_> JoePenguin: ah.
[10:25] <ztonzy> ermo, aha :)  well I am into linux hehe...using linux more than windows...
[10:25] <estebandido_> so, no conexant drivers for me
[10:25] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, ok
[10:25] <ermo> JoePenguin, and if you didn't, why would you hang out in #ubuntu? *innocent look*
[10:25] <erGoline> ermo, but I see a lot of SIS(0): lines on the log..
[10:26] <JoePenguin> ermo: In the spirit of helping out, perhaps?
[10:26] <lerio> JoePenguin, i hate this.. it reminds me when i WANTED a flu when i was in high school...
[10:26] <tritium> lerio, are you all set now?
[10:26] <ermo> JoePenguin, true :D
[10:26] <estebandido_> someone told me there were drivers for winmodems that come installed, or at least included
[10:26] <estebandido_> can anyone confirm?
[10:26] <lerio> tritium, it's upgrading
[10:26] <Sav> ermo: ok im back, found Monitor lina, now what?
[10:27] <Sav> line
[10:27] <tritium> lerio, okay.
[10:27] <lerio> tritium, it's upgrading to 2.9.8-0
[10:27] <tritium> lerio, good deal.  :)
[10:27] <sm-afk> estebandido_: slmodem handles some of them
[10:27] <erGoline> ermo, sorry, driver is "sis"
[10:27] <ermo> Sav, try setting VertRefresh to 60
[10:27] <estebandido_> how do i make use of slmodem?
[10:28] <Sav> ermo: its on VertRefresh 43-60
[10:28] <Sav> only "60" ?
[10:28] <ermo> Sav, sure. It will lock it down.
[10:28] <sm-afk> install it via synaptic, if you think it covers your modem - there's a modem detection script I'd recommend running first
[10:29] <ermo> erGoline, what's your XF86Config-4 'vertrefresh' setting?
[10:29] <estebandido_> yeah, i saw that
[10:29] <ermo> erGoline, and what resolution are you aiming for?
[10:29] <sm-afk> ScanModem ? I think that was it
[10:29] <estebandido_> i have a standard rockwell winmodem
[10:30] <Sav> ermo: same thing, black screen.
[10:30] <ermo> Sav, wait, you have a 1280x800 wide screen monitor?
[10:30] <erGoline> ermo, rebooting.... vref was quite low  (32-49..) and I'm trying a simple 1024x768
[10:31] <Sav> 1920*1680 something
[10:31] <ermo> erGoline, in a LCD, try aiming for 60 or 75
[10:31] <ermo> Sav, it's a dell dimension <what model again?>
[10:31] <Sav> ermo: Dell D800
[10:32] <erGoline> ermo, ok (the best way to kill X so I can restart it with startx?)
[10:32] <vitaminmoo> bbl, installing
[10:32] <ermo> erGoline, still trey3's ctrl+alt+backspace :D
[10:33] <ermo> erGoline, alternatively, shut down gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or xdm, can't remember which)
[10:33] <erGoline> ermo, but the I have to kill manually the proccess, right?
[10:33] <ermo> erGoline, the X server?
[10:33] <Sav> this works "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[10:33] <erGoline> ermo,  yeah
[10:33] <ermo> erGoline, you can manually kill the current X-Server with ctrl+alt+backspace (not delete, that's a *bit* differeng :D)
[10:34] <erGoline> ermo, ctrl+alt+backsp bring me to the text login for 3 secs, the the X (blurry screen) came back!
[10:35] <Sav> erGoline start it up in safe mode, and install "shh"? easy to access then
[10:35] <ermo> erGoline, go to your text console, become root (a neat magical incantation, that, 'become root') and do a /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:35] <kbrooks> ok
[10:35] <kbrooks> ermo, ...
[10:35] <kbrooks> erGoline, like this:
[10:35] <kbrooks> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:35] <Sav> ermo: any other isea to the the tft to work?
[10:35] <kbrooks> type in your user  password
[10:36] <Sav> *ideas
[10:36] <kbrooks> and press enter
[10:36] <erGoline> ermo, Sav, kbrooks : ok thanks :)
[10:36] <ermo> Sav, do you have a normal 4:3 aspect lcd screen? or is it a wide screen?
[10:37] <Sav> ermo: wide
[10:37] <ermo> kbrooks, guess your explanation hit the more appropriate level of abstraction. Thanks for spotting it.
[10:37] <Sav> ermo: id looked up my res, its 1920x1600
[10:37] <ermo> Sav, holy macaroni!
[10:37] <Sav> 1920*1200 sorry =)
[10:38] <ermo> Sav, so it's a wide screen thingy
[10:38] <Sav> yep
[10:40] <lerio> trey3 tritium, ok - now it works fine!
[10:40] <trey3> lerio, :)
[10:40] <tritium> lerio, good job, dude :)
[10:40] <erGoline> ermo, Sav, kbrooks : no way to find the right refresh rate.. I now get a lot of vertical lines (ubuntu login screen colors!)
[10:41] <lerio> trey3 tritium, now.... how much do you know about grub? :)
[10:41] <ermo> Sav, I'm working on it
[10:41] <trey3> lerio, depends what you need to know  :)
[10:41] <pAntZ> i have just installed the french language pack for openoffice but have no idea how to activate it - any clues?
[10:41] <tritium> lerio, shoot
[10:41] <Sav> ermo: ok, I appreciate that
[10:42] <ermo> erGoline, what's the physical resolution of your lcd display?
[10:42] <erGoline> 1024x768
[10:43] <ermo> erGoline, and you get an icky looking picture when you actually use a standard 60Hz 1024x768 mode?
[10:43] <lerio> trey3 tritium, ok. i'm trying to switch completely to ubuntu. so i have a laptop in which ubuntu is installed and working fine. then there is a desktop pc connected with crosscable in which i just installed warty with no probs. but, after the first reboot i get this error message:
[10:43] <lerio> trey3 tritium, GRUB loading, please wait...... Error 2
[10:43] <ermo> erGoline, well, give VertRefresh 75 a shot.
[10:43] <erGoline> ermo, I get just vertical lines :D
[10:44] <tritium> lerio, I've not seen that before.
[10:44] <erGoline> ermo, by the way I have to install it with VGA=771 because the text install screen had problems too
[10:44] <ermo> erGoline, refresh me on the 771 vesa mode, please?
[10:44] <erGoline> ermo, now I tryed 50-75
[10:45] <trey3> lerio, ahh... error 2 = unable to mount... thats bad...
[10:45] <fhobia> ...no way to play MP3s on the live cd !?
[10:46] <erGoline> ermo, from log: "Replaced entire mode list with built-in modes"
[10:46] <lerio> trey3 tritium, shall i try with lilo or there's another way to fix it?
[10:46] <trey3> lerio, you have a livecd handy?
[10:46] <erGoline> using hsync range of 28-80
[10:46] <lerio> yes
[10:46] <erGoline> using vsync range of 56-71
[10:47] <lerio> trey3 tritium, yes
[10:47] <tritium> lerio, I'll let trey3 help you, okay?  He gets pissy when I help "his customers"
[10:47] <erGoline> ermo, it's ignoring my setup  :(
[10:47] <ermo> erGoline, does it detect the monitor, too?
[10:47] <ermo> erGoline, so it would seem.
[10:48] <trey3> lerio, you can fix it from there... :)
[10:48] <lerio> tritium, customers?? you mean there'll be a bill after that?? :D thanks 4 ur help!
[10:48] <tritium> lerio, nah, no bill, man :)
[10:48] <tritium> we just help when we can :)
[10:49] <lerio> trey3, how do i do that?
[10:50] <trey3> lerio, boot into the livecd first  :)
[10:50] <lerio> trey3, no matter if it isn't an ubuntu live cd?
[10:50] <erGoline> ermo, "detected LCD/Plasma panel (1024x768, 14, non-exp., RGB18 [e2e7ff] )"
[10:50] <trey3> lerio, nope, doesn't really matter...
[10:50] <trey3> lerio, hopefully, we just need to edit one file  :)
[10:51] <fhobia> -_- can't install any packages while using livecd and can't play mp3
[10:51] <fhobia> bummers :|
[10:51] <ermo> erGoline, try checking the log for notes pertaining to acceleration
[10:52] <erGoline> ermo, lunching xf86cfg finally I'm able to view someting "clear" but resolution is very low and mouse doesn't work
[10:52] <ermo> erGoline, tried with 800x600 yet?
[10:53] <ermo> erGoline, hang on just a sec, please.
[10:53] <lerio> trey3, the cd drive is damaged so it will take a while... i'll call when i'm ready
[10:54] <trey3> lerio, haha... sounds like a plan  :)
[10:54] <erGoline> ermo, ok.. I'm trying some random settings.. :)
[10:55] <lerio> trey3, i'd call it a torture... (the cd-driver) :)
[10:55] <ermo> erGoline, maybe try setting your driver to something different than SIS. Like vga.
[10:56] <DAC1138> ubutu was good....until i found oyu it wont let you build a custom kernel!
[10:56] <DAC1138> a vanilla kernel didnt work either
[10:56] <trey3> DAC1138, Debian even has its own tool to make it easier...
[10:56] <Pluk> lol DAC1138 you can perfectly build a custom kernel with it
[10:56] <andres_> somebody knows how to donwload and instal xmule in ubuntu?
[10:56] <DAC1138> its not building, its BOOTING thats the problem
[10:57] <tritium> lerio, see you later man.  trey3's a good guy, so you're in good hands.  I was just teasing him earlier.
[10:57] <DAC1138> ubuntu has done something with grub or the base system
[10:57] <trey3> DAC1138, apt-get build-dep is your friend...
[10:57] <Pluk> you tried the initrd thingy yet?
[10:57] <trey3> DAC1138, as is kernel-package  8)
[10:57] <DAC1138> trey3, were you in here last night listening to my problem?
[10:57] <dags> andres_, apt-get install xmule (it's in the "universe" repository)
[10:58] <lerio> tritium, thanks again and have a nice day/night!
[10:58] <trey3> DAC1138, nope... fraid not  :(
[10:58] <lerio> trey3, ok, i'm ready!
[10:58] <DAC1138> i HAVE TO HAVE the kernel source to the current running kernel to get it running, the one ubuntu downloaded isnt it
[10:58] <trey3> lerio, alright... you just did a default install?
[10:58] <trey3> lerio, no repartitioning etc?
[10:58] <amos> hullo
[10:59] <lerio> trey3, custom w home&root in one partition
[10:59] <Upayavira> Is it possible to install Ubuntu from CD onto already ext3 formatted HDD, without reformatting? (I will move existing Debian stuff into a /debian folder)
[10:59] <luis_> anyone know what happened to the NetworkManager work that thom was doing?
[10:59] <trey3> lerio, ok... /boot wasn't seperated?
[10:59] <andres_> where is the universe repository?
[11:00] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:00] <billytwowilly> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <billytwowilly> uncomment the universe stuff.
[11:00] <lerio> trey3, i don't think so. i have only two partitions: swap & ext
[11:01] <BockBilbo> i see that the developers had added openoffice 2.0 beta version to the apt repositories in hoary
[11:01] <BockBilbo> !!!!
[11:01] <BockBilbo> :D
[11:01] <BockBilbo> but..
[11:01] <BockBilbo> i have a question
[11:01] <BockBilbo> im helping a OOo developer from france
[11:01] <forceflow501> hey
[11:01] <dags> andres_, yep, just remove the #'s that are before "deb http...... universe"
[11:02] <BockBilbo> and we are having a really strange error while trying to install his deb packages
[11:02] <BockBilbo> :
[11:02] <BockBilbo> insuficient read in buffer_copy (error in dpkg-deb during `./opt/openoffice.org1.9.73/share/template/fr/wizard/letter/zh-TW/bus-office_l.ott
[11:02] <BockBilbo> does anyone now what it means?
[11:02] <forceflow501> i'm new to ubuntu, how do i install the apache, ftp, sendmail and other server packages?
[11:02] <BockBilbo> forceflow501,
[11:02] <BockBilbo> apt
[11:02] <BockBilbo> or synaptics
[11:02] <cardador> forceflow501: use Synaptic
[11:02] <thenuke> forceflow501: try synaptic or apt-get
[11:03] <thenuke> forceflow501: apt-get install package from commandline and if you prefer gui, synaptic from the menus
[11:03] <forceflow501> thanks, i can do GUI or CLI
[11:03] <andres_> once i have removed the #'s ?
[11:03] <fhobia> are apt and synaptic intertwined so that if you use apt, the changes will be reflected in synaptic ?
[11:04] <dags> andres_, save the file, apt-get update and then apt-get install xmule
[11:04] <cardador> forceflow501: Synaptic=gui, apt-get=cli
[11:04] <forceflow501> k
[11:04] <cardador> forceflow501: go to Computer > Sys conf > Synaptic
[11:05] <andres_> thanks, it's in process
[11:05] <amos> is it possible to mount from the GUI?
[11:06] <forceflow501> you guys are great this is the best linux support i have seen
[11:06] <cardador> amos: normally, stuff just auto-mount in Ubuntu
[11:07] <amos> hmm, I don't think my fat/ntfs filesystems were mounted
[11:09] <njan> amos, they wouldn't have been if you didn't select them to be mounted during installation
[11:09] <cardador> amos: fat and ntfs are not mounted by default on Ubuntu. you have to edit /etc/fstab and add them
[11:09] <njan> amos, if you want it to happen automatically, you'll have to edit /etc/fstab
[11:09] <njan> cardador, they are if you select them to be mounted in the installer
[11:09] <amos> oh, cool
[11:09] <cardador> yes you are rigth njan
[11:09] <amos> hmm, I don't remember it asking me
[11:10] <njan> amos, no, it doesn't ask you, you have to select it specifically in the partitioning screen
[11:10] <cardador> amos: look in http://ubuntuguide.org and search for ntfs mounting
[11:10] <amos> ohh yeah
[11:10] <Upayavira> anyone able to tell me whether I can install Ubunto onto an ext3 drive without formatting it?
[11:10] <njan> Upayavira, you probably can, but I wouldn't recommend it
[11:11] <Upayavira> njan: why?
[11:11] <njan> Upayavira, if you have a partition used for /home, you could wipe the other partitions and leave that one (keep it as your /home partition) to preserve data; that would work fine
[11:11] <njan> Upayavira, because you'll have mess from the previous linux distro scattered everywhere
[11:11] <cardador> amos: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:11] <njan> Upayavira, depending upon what was on there previously.  Is your goal preserving your old distro, or preserving your old data?
[11:12] <amos> thanks :>
[11:12] <Upayavira> njan: preserving option of returning to my old distro if Ubuntu doesn't work out, and also preserving data
[11:13] <njan> Upayavira, you'd be better off backing up the whole drive and reformatting, or just preserving selected bits and pieces (/etc, /home, etc)
[11:13] <cardador> forceflow501: in Synaptic you can find it, just click the properties buttonm then installed files
[11:13] <njan> tbh, the hassle of moving directories back into place and running grub is more than it would be to just reinstall, unless you've *really* hacked debian
[11:15] <njan> but it's up to you. You could move stuff into a folder, install, and have little or no problem :)
[11:17] <erGoline> ermo, xf86config broke down my config file and now mouse doesn't work arg!
[11:17] <erGoline> ermo, is there a way to recall the first setup config utility?
[11:17] <ermo> erGoline, ping?
[11:17] <ermo> erGoline, I'm sure there is. Hang on.
[11:17] <Guardiann> that metacity bug was fixed very fast  impressive guys thanks
[11:18] <ermo> erGoline, you are on Warty?
[11:18] <cardador> erGoline: check in /etc/X11/ if you dont have a XF86Config-4.old or smt like that
[11:18] <erGoline> ermo, yes Warty
[11:18] <bobalien> are there downloadable versions of hoary yet?
[11:18] <bobalien> i looked but got confused in the filesystem
[11:18] <bobalien> and i got light headed and passed out
[11:19] <ermo> erGoline, dpkg-reconfigure <proper X package name which I happen to not remember :(>
[11:19] <ermo> erGoline, I'm checking up on it
[11:19] <trey3> bob2, yes.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/  "daily" and "sounder" ...
[11:20] <erGoline> ermo, thanks but don't waste your time.. I will try to search it :)
[11:20] <crimsun> ermo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:20] <crimsun> ^^ erGoline
[11:20] <andres_> goodbye
[11:20] <mdke> hi there. I'm just playing around installing ubuntu on a centrino laptop. It has gone brilliantly, everything is setup nicely except I have one problem: ifconfig shows that the wireless device in the centrino has a HWaddr of 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:20] <mdke> anyone?
[11:20] <erGoline> crimsun, perfect thanks
[11:20] <mdke> i'm not familiar with centrinos on linux
[11:20] <forceflow501> what are ipp, rpcbind, and maitrd?
[11:21] <ermo> forceflow501, rpcbind is part of the portmapper (NFS needs it)
[11:21] <forceflow501> hmmm ok
[11:21] <forceflow501> thanks
[11:21] <trey3> crimsun, any experiance fixing GRUB error 2? LiveCD mounting drives renders commands useless... so I'm confused...  :(
[11:21] <trey3> crimsun, pretty hosed hd it seems....
[11:21] <ermo> forceflow501, ipp ... I'm guessing Internet Printing Protocol
[11:22] <ermo> forceflow501, although I could very well be off.
[11:22] <soulsyphon> ubuntu looks kewls
[11:22] <soulsyphon> kewl*
[11:22] <crimsun> trey3: you receive that error when you boot from the Warty livecd?
[11:22] <mdke> anyone?
[11:23] <trey3> crimsun, no.. someone I'm trying to help gets it when booting from hd...
[11:23] <ermo> soulsyphon, it _feels_ kewl too! *pets his ubuntu affectionately*
[11:23] <dubious9> hello all, does anybody play with midi?  I can't get my soundblaster work with midi files.
[11:23] <soulsyphon> feels too lol
[11:23] <dubious9> oh, and yes, ubuntu feels very good to the eyes ;)
[11:23] <soulsyphon> thats good
[11:23] <ermo> *rreeeoorrrwww*
[11:23] <crimsun> mdke: try searching the wiki for laptop support
[11:24] <soulsyphon> cause at like three AM nobody wants yellow on red =/
[11:24] <mdke> crimsun, ok.
[11:24] <mdke> no one has a centrino here?
[11:24] <dubious9> AMD here, sorry mdke
[11:24] <Vjaz> mdke: I do
[11:24] <Vjaz> mdke: hm.. well actually no
[11:24] <mdke> Vjaz, ?
[11:24] <Pluk> centrino without the intel wireless
[11:24] <Vjaz> mdke: I don't have a Centrino, but I do have a Pentium M... which were you looking for
[11:24] <Vjaz> ?
[11:24] <crimsun> mdke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[11:25] <trey3> crimsun, Error 2 = Bad disk, cannot mount ...
[11:25] <mdke> crimsun, no good
[11:26] <ermo> Sav, regarding your D800
[11:26] <soulsyphon> so how secure is ubuntu OOB?
[11:26] <ermo> Sav, perhaps it would be a nice move to add your working modeline here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[11:26] <crimsun> soulsyphon: secure enough to not require an active iptables ruleset
[11:26] <mdke> ermo, yes
[11:26] <soulsyphon> ok
[11:27] <mdke> ermo, i thought i would try and run ubuntu on this centrino laptop in order to add to that wiki
[11:27] <ermo> mdke, so fair and noble goals thou dost pursue, good sir
[11:28] <trey3> crimsun, I'm guessing its a knoppix livecd... tring to fix an ubuntu machine... when mounting /  to /mnt... can no longer use commands?
[11:28] <Sav> ermo: login needed to add?
[11:28] <ermo> Sav, register?
[11:28] <Sav> just asking =)
[11:29] <ermo> Sav, =]
[11:29] <crimsun> trey3: hmm, does the user progress as far as being able to mount / onto /mnt ?
[11:29] <Sav> hmm my email is not valid... lol =)
[11:29] <soulsyphon> i guess its a shame i found the ubuntu guide after i starting installing it =/
[11:29] <trey3> crimsun, yup... mount is completed... but ls etc after to look around...
[11:30] <trey3> crimsun, I guess actually... real answer is "not sure"... but there is no error apparently...
[11:30] <trey3> crimsun, no way to see thats its mounted... other than no error...
[11:31] <erGoline>  ermo, crimsun : wooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[11:31] <ermo> erGoline, congrats!
[11:31] <ermo> erGoline, what gives?
[11:31] <erGoline> ermo, crimsun: at 320x200 hahahaha! but now I can view something at least
[11:32] <erGoline> :)
[11:32] <ermo> erGoline, poor sod ;)
[11:32] <erGoline> I reconfigure X using the command crimsum gives
[11:32] <crimsun> trey3: what's the rescue attempt for?
[11:32] <ermo> erGoline, next step has to be 640x480?
[11:32] <kobach> hi all
[11:32] <crimsun> trey3: what's broken in the filesystem?
[11:32] <erGoline> ermo, hahaha yes  :D
[11:33] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[11:33] <ermo> erGoline, using the 'vga' driver?
[11:33] <trey3> crimsun, right now... trying to see exactly whats wrong... if its config error or what... (guessing not at this point) ... says he's never gotten GRUB to work though...
[11:33] <erGoline> ermo, no 'sis' one
[11:33] <cardador> erGoline: what happens when you press "ctrl"+"alt"+"+" or "-" ?
[11:33] <kobach> i cant get my intel ethernet card to work. ive had it working once but it just wont connect anymore. can anyone help me
[11:34] <crimsun> mdke: using hte ipw2100 chipset/driver?
[11:34] <crimsun> the^
[11:34] <cg0def> is gnome 2.9.4 in apt already?
[11:34] <crimsun> cg0def: hoary? yes.
[11:34] <cg0def> how do I get to it though?
[11:34] <crimsun> cg0def: are you running hoary?
[11:34] <cg0def> sorry I'm new to apt
[11:35] <cg0def> yes I am
[11:35] <spiral> I want to install hoary for a friend of mine, should I use snapshots build or warty & then apt-get -u dist-upgrade in hoary ?
[11:35] <trey3> crimsun, system will not boot... want to look at /etc/fstab, /boot/grub/menu.lst etc... see if anything can be done... maybe try installing LILO or reinstalling GRUB... but none is possible if media doesn't mount and allow interaction  :(
[11:35] <crimsun> cg0def: if you're running hoary, then you're already running 2.9.4ish
[11:35] <crimsun> spiral: up to you
[11:36] <soulsyphon> whats the root pass for a fresh install of ubuntu?
[11:36] <trey3> soulsyphon, use sudo
[11:36] <crimsun> soulsyphon: there is none. It uses sudo.
[11:36] <spiral> crimsun: the two methods don't differ much ?
[11:36] <erGoline> ermo, nothing
[11:36] <soulsyphon> uhhh ok
[11:36] <trey3> soulsyphon, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[11:36] <forceflow501> how do i start imap?
[11:37] <ermo> erGoline, in 640x480?
[11:37] <crimsun> spiral: they differ in the base material and how much one has to download to sync with current hoary. If one starts with array*, then there're fewer packages to update.
[11:37] <keyshawn2> howdy, any firefox users in here
[11:37] <ermo> erGoline, may I /query?
[11:37] <forceflow501> yep
[11:37] <keyshawn2> i have a search box question.
[11:37] <trey3> crimsun, any ideas at all? ... cuz I'm all out  :(
[11:38] <keyshawn2> i'm trying to add/delete some searches, and I don't know how to do it.
[11:38] <keyshawn2> [no access to root]
[11:38] <crimsun> trey3: unfortunately, my suggestion will be to try another distro like DSL
[11:38] <cg0def> crimsun: well in that case I suppose I am not running hoary is that the dev branch?
[11:38] <erGoline> ermo, of course
[11:38] <keyshawn2> im trying to figure out how to chmod that directory, but im not sure.
[11:38] <crimsun> cg0def: hoary is the development branch, yes.
[11:39] <mdke> crimsun, sorry for delay. dunno about the driver: it is autodetected nicely
[11:39] <crimsun> trey3: or to use an older suse livecd that still uses lilo :/
[11:39] <Aimio0> me firefox
[11:39] <cg0def> crimsun: ok thanks for the info I guess I'll have to update
[11:39] <Aimio0> Where does reward money for coding come from?
[11:40] <trey3> crimsun, ok... thanks...
[11:40] <mdke> crimsun, have checked yes the driver is ipw2200. Also loaded are ieee80211 80211_crypt and firmware_class
[11:41] <kobach> i cant get my intel ethernet card to work. ive had it working once but it just wont connect anymore. can anyone help me
[11:41] <soulsyphon> so how is having the root account disabled more secure?
[11:41] <mdke> soulsyphon, more?
[11:41] <soulsyphon> since im in the adm group does that mean only i can use sudo?
[11:41] <mdke> soulsyphon, it is defined by /etc/sudoers
[11:41] <soulsyphon> ok
[11:42] <Aimio0> I was wondering what pays for the ubutu bounties ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties )
[11:42] <|QuaD-_> i have a few questions about converting a byte to an int. I am doing it by using: (new Integer((new Byte(b).intValue())), now if i put in a non 4 byte number, will it assume it is positive?
[11:42] <mdke> Aimio0, canonical is the company that runs ubuntu
[11:42] <soulsyphon> when i sudo -s it still asks for a password
[11:42] <farruinn> soulsyphon: concerning security, check the RootSudo wiki for details
[11:42] <|QuaD-_> or how does it work, because i am confused about my output
[11:42] <mdke> soulsyphon, yes it should
[11:42] <soulsyphon> im reading it ATM
[11:42] <cg0def> crimsun: sorry for the questions but how would I switch to hoarty? I don't see any iso-s on the servers?
[11:42] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: that's a question for the jdk api docs :)
[11:42] <mdke> cg0def, don't do it
[11:42] <soulsyphon> ah whatever
[11:42] <cg0def> why not?
[11:42] <soulsyphon> ill try it
[11:43] <|QuaD-_> blah
[11:43] <mdke> cg0def, it is the unstable branch
[11:43] <|QuaD-_> no java users here :(
[11:43] <cavediver> Hi everybody. This network manager i hear about. Where do I find that ?
[11:43] <cg0def> yeah I know it is but I was trying to install it on a clean machine that I was going to use for testing not my primary computer
[11:43] <mdke> crimsun, why did you ask about the wifi driver? did you have an idea/
[11:43] <mdke> *?
[11:44] <mdke> cg0def, ok if you have a good net connection, install warty then upgrade from there
[11:44] <crimsun> mdke: I was reading the documentation for it; there's quite a bit searchable via Google
[11:44] <cg0def> mdke: oh but there is still no image, i get it
[11:44] <mdke> crimsun, k i will look into it thanks
[11:44] <cg0def> mdke: thanks
[11:44] <mdke> cg0def, there are some but they are not reliable i believe
[11:44] <dubious9> hey anybody else have a bitch of a time with rythmbox crashing?
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> dubious9: if you have non mp3 files or broken mp3s it can and will crash
[11:45] <cg0def> HrdwrBoB: not always
[11:45] <dubious9> HrdwrBoB: actually I was just trying to listen to internet radio.  crashes every time
[11:46] <dubious9> I also though if I had the apropriate mp3 lib's rythmbox could play mp3s
[11:46] <soulsyphon> so when i sudo it still asks me for a pass
[11:46] <mdke> soulsyphon, yes
[11:46] <soulsyphon> so... im kinda confused
[11:46] <cg0def> but you should update the libs that it uses and also update to the latest version of rythmbox (if you have't)
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> no, but it's a common problem
[11:46] <crimsun> soulsyphon: use your user's passwd
[11:46] <soulsyphon> i read the wiki
[11:46] <soulsyphon> crimsun, thanks =)
[11:46] <mdke> soulsyphon, what is the prob?
[11:46] <trey3> dubious9, I've been listening to a shoutcast stream (DI.fm) for the better part of 3 hours straight...
[11:46] <kobach> i cant get my intel ethernet card to work. ive had it working once but it just wont connect anymore. can anyone help me
[11:46] <soulsyphon> mdke all good
[11:46] <mdke> k
[11:46] <soulsyphon> i didnt know the root pass was the same as my user pass
[11:46] <farruinn> it's not
[11:46] <soulsyphon> i understand the model now
[11:47] <dubious9> trey3: hmm... maybe it's a problem with my setup somehow
[11:47] <trey3> soulsyphon, its not... sudo requires you to confirm its you...  ;)
[11:47] <farruinn> soulsyphon: but since your user is in the sudoers file you can use your password
[11:47] <dubious9> trey3: what soundcard do you have by chance?
[11:47] <mdke> you know something that could be improved in ubuntu: colours for the [ok] oot boxes in the initscripts on b
[11:47] <mcphail_>  /msg nickserv link mcphail goldfish
[11:47] <kent> kobach, i cant help you, but perhaps you can write which model you have? if its wlan etc..  Saying you have a problem is not much..
[11:47] <mdke> *you know something that could be improved in ubuntu: colours for the [ok]  boxes in the initscripts on boot
[11:47] <soulsyphon> ah alright
[11:47] <soulsyphon> thanks guys
[11:47] <trey3> dubious9, via82xx
[11:47] <mdke> mcphail_, whoops
[11:48] <Phineas> gah, I just installed apache2 and I confirmed its running, but I can't find where to put files so that apache accesses them...
[11:49] <crimsun> mdke: more FC/Mandrake-like?  *ducks
[11:49] <mdke> /var/www/localhost/htdocs/
[11:49] <mdke> crimsun, erm...
[11:49] <cavediver> Noone knows where gnome's Network manager is hiding in ubuntu ?
[11:49] <Phineas> that's it thanks
[11:49] <mdke> crimsun, do they have em?
[11:49] <cavediver> It's supposed to be a new thing in 2.8
[11:49] <petrolcc> i need some ccs
[11:49] <mdke> crimsun, i tell ya, it makes a huge difference... booting up ubuntu just now after not using it for a while was seriously ugly
[11:49] <LinuxJones> cavediver, network-admin ?
[11:50] <mdke> cavediver, ^^
[11:50] <mdke> cavediver, its in the system settings menu
[11:50] <luis_> cavediver: NetworkManager isn't part of gnome, just fedora
[11:50] <kbrooks> ok. i have a question.
[11:50] <petrolcc> i waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantttttttttttttttttt  credit caaaaaaaaaards
[11:50] <petrolcc> could any one help me
[11:50] <kent> mdke, i think some people are working on a splash-thing for the boot-process. That will hide the init-script in a nice way.
[11:50] <luis_> cavediver: there was a project to port it to ubuntu, but AFAICS, that is stalled- no new packages for a couple months now
[11:50] <kbrooks> i want instiki to start on boot automatically
[11:50] <mdke> kent, nooooooo
[11:50] <crimsun> mdke: honestly, if I have to pay attention to the boot messages, something's wrong
[11:51] <mdke> dammit
[11:51] <dubious9> trey3: I've got a soundblaster live.  I've heard about problems with it.
[11:51] <mdke> crimsun, if you don't use gdm, it makes a massive difference ;)
[11:51] <mdke> kent, but yeah they are working on it
[11:51] <crimsun> mdke: but if you think it's nice to colourize the initscripts, please mention it on the forum, mailing list(s), and/or file wishlist bugs
[11:52] <mdke> crimsun, heh...
[11:52] <kbrooks> i want instiki to start on boot automatically. how do i do this?
[11:52] <mdke> crimsun, they might say "give us a patch"
[11:52] <crimsun> dubious9: depending on the model of sblive, there should be no problems.
[11:52] <kbrooks> with gnome
[11:52] <crimsun> dubious9: the ALSA version in hoary supports all known sblives
[11:52] <trey3> kbrooks, instiki is an application?
[11:53] <farruinn> kbrooks: try the session conrol panel - Computer>Desktop Preferences>Sessions
[11:53] <kbrooks> trey3, a wiki written in ruby
[11:53] <trey3> kbrooks, yeah... I was about to ge to what farruinn said  :)
[11:53] <crimsun> mdke: it's fairly straightforward...pick a colour and look up the escape sequence via Google, patch it and send a diff -u :)
[11:54] <ermo> mdke, man 4 console_codes
[11:54] <kbrooks> do i click add on the sessoion options tab
[11:54] <ermo> mdke, or so says 'apropos'
[11:54] <kbrooks> session
[11:54] <mdke> ermo, ?
[11:55] <trey3> kbrooks, yes
[11:55] <ermo> mdke, oh, crimsun mentioned 'google for escape sequences'. I just wondered whether they wouldn't be somewhere in the local man pages. In case you ever wanted to try to spiff up your init scripts and make a patch ;)
[11:55] <crimsun> hmm, today's *metacity 2.9.5 updates seem to have broken window placement
[11:56] <mdke> crimsun, topic?
[11:56] <mdke> ermo, heh maybe one day... i am not that good tho
[11:56] <trey3> kbrooks, ahh... no... "Startup Programs"...
[11:56] <soulsyphon> hmm time to get flux box on ubuntu
[11:57] <mdke> ermo, and i don't run ubuntu atm
[11:57] <crimsun> mdke: yup
[11:57] <kbrooks> trey3, ok. and will the .... program be started in ~? like will gnome automatically start the startup program in my home directory?
[11:58] <trey3> kbrooks, it will run whatever applications are in there... not sure what you mean?
[11:59] <farruinn> kbrooks: it will run as your user, if that's what you're asking
[11:59] <kbrooks> in the home directory?
[11:59] <Schaap> You know what would be cool, if ubuntu went console, make a version for Xbox and Ps2 :p
[11:59] <Schaap> Like Gentoox
[11:59] <Schaap> or Xebian


[19:46] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: ezrafree: Do you guys actually live in CO? (if so, what part?)
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Heck yes I do soreau
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Denver
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Work in Boulder.
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> How about you?
[19:47] <soreau> Springs :)
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I figured my whois would have given that away...
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah nice.
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> So what's your story?
[19:47] <soreau> heh, I usually don't whois most people
[19:48] <FunnyLookinHat> I whois with a vengeance.
[19:48] <FunnyLookinHat> It makes me feel like a script kiddie.
[19:48] <soreau> lol
[19:48] <soreau> I'm wishing I could figure out how to go to school for CS. But I probably have enough linux under my belt to make a great software tester
[19:49] <soreau> I just can't get my foot in the door without a degree or anything tangible
[19:50] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: Knowing you from irc and (now) that you work in Boulder, I'm willing to guess you do something with computers for a living ;)
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah yeah - degrees are really important for the resume right now...
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> But
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> If you know people you can get a foot in the door.
[19:50] <soreau> Yea, true
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah - I'm a fancied-up programmer.
[19:51] <soreau> That's my biggest problem is not knowing folks. I don't really care much for people in general :P
[19:51] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: That's cool, what do you develop mostly?
[19:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Heh
[19:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm
[19:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Well I do everything from PHP/MySQL/Etc. to Android/iPhone/Java
[19:52] <soreau> oh wow
[19:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't claim to be an expert in any of those - but I can get by well enough. :)
[19:53] <soreau> For iPhone/Android, do you run the OS in a VM or what?
[19:53] <soreau> or do you use a real phone to test (or both)
[19:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I do all of my Android testing on a real device - for iPhone I have to use a mac, and I test on a ghetto 2G and the simulators.
[19:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I avoid the Android VM as much as possible - it's awful.
[19:55] <soreau> ah ok
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> So what are you interests?  Programming?  Linux admin?
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> WoW?
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[19:55] <soreau> Not WoW.
[19:55] <soreau> :)
[19:55] <soreau> I was just curious because I've never dabbled in any embedded OS app dev before
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> <-- Recently free of the clutches of WoW.
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah it's fun -
[19:56] <soreau> But yea I'm into programming and fixing things.. handy with a soldering iron
[19:57] <soreau> Big linux head - enjoy fixing drivers where I can and filing bugs when I can't
[19:58] <soreau> I spent a couple years as a hobby building a circuit interface for N64 controllers, 4 of them, the entire board fits in an N64 shell and plugs into the parport.
[19:59] <soreau> Kinda what turned me on to linux is the fact that I was able to actually fix the timing in the driver and go on to implement rumble in the gamecon driver
[19:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Nice!
[19:59] <FunnyLookinHat> That's so awesome
[19:59] <FunnyLookinHat> I've never done anything that low-level... well minus soldering all sorts of crap onto my old TI-85 calculator.
[20:00] <soreau> Yea, I'm pretty proud of that accomplishment even though it took for-freaking-ever and I had a lot of help from vojtech and other LK input subsystem devs :)
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey - that's the best way to learn - from others... no harm in that.
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> I actively keep an IRC channel open for any language I'm currently working in.  :)
[20:00] <soreau> Oh no doubt
[20:01] <soreau> So I did a lot on the compiz project too
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh cool
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> So you know a decent amount of C ?
[20:01] <soreau> But now, I'm moving on to learn the monotony that is webpage devel stuff to try and build my own site
[20:01] <soreau> Enough C/C++ to scrap by :)
[20:02] <soreau> scrape*
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> :)
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Web devel...
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> It ruins my life.  :)
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Well that and IE.
[20:03] <soreau> whatever you wanna call it
[20:03] <soreau> Yes, I now know that IE is CRAP
[20:03] <soreau> Even more than I knew previously
[20:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Hah
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey you should try to make it up to Denver for our next release party
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> for 11.04
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> It's crazy to think Ubuntu is at 11.04 - I started with 6 something I think...
[20:05] <soreau> Hey, you guys host a release party? (every six months)
[20:05] <soreau> ?
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Heck yes.
[20:06] <soreau> This last time was at a bar or something, wasn't it?
[20:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Sort of - we met above a pub in this big meeting room with couches, etc.
[20:06] <soreau> oh cool
[20:06] <soreau> Yea, I want to do that some time
[20:06] <soreau> Hell I wish UDS would come to denver one year ;)
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> !!!
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> That would be very cool :)
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> We have a few members that Attend UDS.
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> nealmcb_ and joey both do I believe.
[20:08] <joey> I do
[20:08] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah - he lives!
[20:08] <joey> all the time now vs sporadically
[20:08] <soreau> heh
[20:09] <soreau> I think SmSpillaz (main compiz dev now) works for cannonical and will be at UDS this year (in florida?)
[20:09] <soreau> Or did it already happen last month?
[20:09] <soreau> I don't keep track of these things
[20:09] <FunnyLookinHat> me neither - when it comes to Ubuntu I'm much more into being a user than a dev...
[20:09] <soreau> Yea really
[20:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm a dev all day - don't want to do any more at night. :)
[20:10] <soreau> If I want to develop, I'm on Arch or Gentoo :)
[20:10] <FunnyLookinHat> HAH
[20:10] <FunnyLookinHat> I used to compile...  then ...  it got old.
[20:10] <soreau> Ubuntu is me trying to act like a user hehe
[20:10] <soreau> By time I'm done with it, it's not really a ubuntu anymore :D
[20:11] <soreau> Yea, ubuntu 10.10 decided to nuke my gentoo partition when I told it to only use it for mounting during the installation
[20:12] <soreau> coulda been pebcak, not sure. But I had mixed feelings when I found out. Fortunately there wasn't too much important data on it
[20:13] <soreau> Thinking about giving fedora another go but *yawn*
[20:14] <soreau> Oh I started ubuntu at Hoary Hedgehog and still have the original cd's
[20:14] <soreau> 5.04 I think
[20:15] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: So when's the next release party?
[20:15] <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, good question/.
[20:15] <soreau> :)
[20:15]  * FunnyLookinHat checks the release schedule.
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> probably the weekend of the 29th of april
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Last time we did a Sunday night - most people were able to make that...  minus joey of course.
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> (!!!)
[20:17] <soreau> Do you know where yet or is this posted anywhere?
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> No we haven't officially planned it yet.
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> I
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll probably start making calls and sending emails come the beginning of April.
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Are you on our mailing list?
[20:17] <soreau> nope
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> You should be!
[20:18] <soreau> How many people usually show up anyway?
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> https://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-co
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> We had over 30 last time.
[20:18] <soreau> oh, that's decent
[20:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Really great time - we had everything from "noobies" to veterans.
[20:19] <soreau> oh wow, dev-wanted ads?
[20:19]  * soreau signs up
[20:20] <FunnyLookinHat> dev-wanted ads ?
[20:20] <soreau> On the ml, the most recent posting
[20:20] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: Do they have a different meeting for cosprgs or do you know
[20:21] <soreau> I'm just kinda thinking anything that happens in the springs isn't going to have as cool of people as dnever ;)
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Hahaha
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> We don't have any extra meetings in the springs - but we've been trying to get our monthly hacker-meetups going again
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> They were basically a chance to talk shop - etc.
[20:22] <soreau> oo, what're those about?
[20:22] <soreau> oh cool
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah they were fun
[20:22]  * soreau likes to hax0r
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> Kevin Fries - one of our members - hosts one in Broomfield and one in Wash park - once a month
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> But yeah - nothing for the springs yet :(
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> hah
[20:23] <FunnyLookinHat> j00 |337 h4x0r pwn4g3!
[20:23] <soreau> hehehe
[20:26] <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, hey since you're interested in getting drivers working and whatnot - why not contribute to this so my Optimus can work correctly on my T410?  :)  https://launchpad.net/~hybrid-graphics-linux
[20:31] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: I don't get the purpose of a 'switchable gpu'
[20:31] <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, battery life + performance
[20:31] <soreau> Ah ok
[20:32] <FunnyLookinHat> But it does it on-the-fly w/o reboot (with correct ACPI/Driver/OS support)
[20:32] <FunnyLookinHat> Very cool stuff.
[20:32] <soreau> Well it looks like airlied's already involved with this so my guess is that good things will happen
[20:32] <soreau> The only thing I could really do is test if I had one
[20:32] <FunnyLookinHat> In the meantime I just run the nVidia chip full time on my laptop - I prefer performance over battery life.
[20:33] <soreau> sounds hariy though.. switching the gpu hardware and driver while X is running
[20:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Well nVidia optimus technology handles most of the difficult stuff.
[20:33] <soreau> huh
[20:33] <FunnyLookinHat> The problem is getting X to switch screens on the fly and flag the correct stuff for the Optimus system
[20:33] <soreau> but, by default I also have to say nVidia is uncooperative with FOSS and for that reason I don't like to promote them
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> They have a demo video of them hitting a switch, pulling the GPU off the computer, and the comp keeps running as if nothing happened
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah.
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> It used to be different.
[20:34] <soreau> OTOH, they do have some things going like their cg-toolkit, CUDA and their multi-object drawing caps (forgot what it's called)
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> So weird.
[20:35] <soreau> I don't understand why they can't just make a quality gpu and actually get the power management stuff right
[20:36] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: But yea, if you want more info about your optimus driver(s), ping airlied in #dri-devel or #nouveau
[20:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Heh - the holy crail of CPU design.
[20:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Cool I might just do that.
[20:37] <soreau> He has one of these machines (along with a whole lab of radeons and ghad knows what else)
[20:38] <soreau> I love the radeon devs that work for AMD, they're pretty good at what they do and extremely helpful to boot
[20:43] <soreau> I would install airlieds kernel for this optimus technology and test
[20:45] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll have to make sure I have everything necessary backed up first...  this is my work machine. :)
[20:47] <soreau> Meh, the worst that could happen is it doesn't work and you have to revert to your old kernel
[20:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Well - I went through quite a bit of finnicking to get the GPU supported correctly...
[20:48] <soreau> Sounds like it's not all the way sorted yet :)
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> heh
[20:48] <soreau> Or if multi-boot is an option, setup a test partition
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> not for me at least :)
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah I dual boot already -  I suppose I could partition gain.
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> *again


[15:10] <kdub> philipballew: i'm gonna go to ubuntu hour tonight!
[16:55] <philipballew> kdub, I'll see you there!!!
[17:04] <philipballew> raevol, just a reminder to you to come tonight!
[17:04] <philipballew> if you still can
[17:04] <raevol> yes! what time will it be?
[17:05] <philipballew> at 6. Its at a starbucks right by the 8 and 5,
[17:05] <philipballew> across from a in n out
[17:05] <raevol> ok cool
[17:05] <raevol> i'll try to make it :)
[17:08] <philipballew> alright. I hope to see you there if you can!
[17:12] <andrewrgross> Hi
[17:13] <philipballew> andrewrgross, HELLO
[17:26] <nhaines> andrewrgross: how are you?
[17:26] <andrewrgross> Pretty good.  Yourself?
[17:34] <nhaines> andrewrgross: not too bad.  Sometimes I'm distracted by work.  :)
[18:56] <Corey> pleia2!
[18:56] <pleia2> Corey!
[18:56] <MarkDude> She rocks
[18:56] <Corey> pleia2: Heard back from the folks- they want me to speak!
[18:57] <pleia2> Corey: *just* heard back this morning actually, it is of interest, I need to review the speakers info page to see what I need from you, I'll let you know :)
[18:58] <pleia2> (probably heard back today because there is a meeting tonight and they're trying to clear out their inbox :))
[18:59] <Corey> pleia2: Indeed.  May 17th looks best for me.
[19:04] <pleia2> Corey: ok, thanks
[19:07] <Corey> pleia2: Shot an email response too.  weeeeeee.
[19:07] <pleia2> Corey: oh good, Michael included you on the reply this morning
[19:07] <pleia2> that should be good enough :)
[21:22] <pleia2> Corey: are you in town?
[21:26]  * DonkeyHotei just realized he might have been off irc long enough to miss something important here
[21:36] <nhaines> pleia2: http://www.geoffreylandis.com/sam_on_keys.jpg
[21:37] <pleia2> kitty is helping
[21:40] <nhaines> That's how my cat always tried to help.
[21:40] <DonkeyHotei> meow?
[22:24]  * MarkDude has a kitten that has igured out irc well. and inds the enter button
[22:25] <DonkeyHotei> a 3rd cat?
[22:57] <nhaines> ircat
[22:57] <nhaines> Internet Relay Cat?
[22:58] <DonkeyHotei> infrared robot cat
[23:03] <nhaines> So is everyone suitably excited?  http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[23:04] <broder> i'm excited. i want one now
[23:10] <philipballew> 3 hours till the sd ubuntu takes off. you should all come
[23:47] <andrewrgross> What?
[23:48] <andrewrgross> What is sd?
[23:48] <pleia2> san diego
[23:52] <jtatum> sounds fun philipballew


[06:55] <tjaalton> bryce: we should probably branch xorg/xorg-server for hardy
[06:56] <bryce> tjaalton: mm, not a bad idea
[07:00] <bryce> tjaalton: if you wouldn't mind setting that up and documenting it, I'll try to follow it for future updates
[07:01] <tjaalton> bryce: sure
[07:04] <tjaalton> oh right, key-logins on alioth are disabled right now
[09:36]  * tseliot casts a spell on tjaalton to heal him
[10:02]  * tjaalton catches the spell and quickly recasts a spell on tseliot to regain his mana
[10:04] <tseliot> tjaalton: when were you planning to leave for Prague?
[10:05] <tjaalton> tseliot: arrival at 20:15
[10:07] <tseliot> tjaalton: which day?
[10:07] <tjaalton> tomorrow
[10:08] <tseliot> :-/
[10:08] <tjaalton> it was kinda mentioned on the blog entry :)
[10:09] <tjaalton> btw, I'll be staying in another hotel
[10:09] <tseliot> I *should* go on Sunday (if I don't catch a cold)
[10:09] <tseliot> are you coming???
[10:10] <tjaalton> sure, cold or not
[10:10] <tseliot> great. I thought you blogged to say that you were not going to attend the UDS
[10:10] <tseliot> :-)
[10:11] <tjaalton> ah
[10:11] <tjaalton> I'll edit the post
[10:12] <tseliot> good idea ;)
[13:38] <Q-FUNK> will anyone have time during UDS to sit down with me and ogra to figure out if we're missing anything to get -geode to autoconfigure successfully both in configless mode via PCI ID matching and in LTSP?
[13:39] <Q-FUNK> in principle, the X core PCI ID patch, plus the libDDC enabled -geode should fix both, but this needs to be checked.
[13:40] <Q-FUNK> those differences in how X finds and configures the driver via -configure or via PCI ID matching are still unclear to me.
[13:41] <Q-FUNK> jcristau had explained them well a while back, but the details faded here, over time.
[22:37] <komputes> bryce: ping
[22:39] <bryce> hi komputes
[22:39] <komputes> bryce: hey there, when you have time can you please take a look at Launchpad Bug #224479
[22:44] <bryce> sure
[23:00] <komputes> thx man


[01:56] <saiarcot895> Hi. Can someone nominate bug #1455275 for Trusty and Precise?
[02:06] <micahg> sure
[02:07] <saiarcot895> Thanks, micahg
[02:08] <saiarcot895> Um, why Invalid?
[02:08] <micahg> fixed in Utopic and on
[02:09] <micahg> so, the bug isn't valid against the development release
[02:09] <saiarcot895> Wouldn't that be Fix Released?
[02:10] <micahg> personally, I use that if it's been fixed after the bug is filed, but it's mainly semantics
[02:11] <saiarcot895> fair enough