[00:09] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my inet died ~a day ago, until fixed I"ll rarely be online  (I'm not at home)
[00:10] <guiverc> I can publish UWN to fridge, but I have no scripts (on a 'live' system, don't want to grab them either) I can push to fridge but I'd like you to send me fridge.post if helpful
[00:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: how do i get the fridge.post to you ? termbin UWN's posting file ?
[00:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ?? <img src="https://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/c9d7/header.png" />
[00:23] <guiverc> pastebinit - there's nothing private in it so I don't see any reason to hide it
[00:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: This ? : https://termbin.com/l8l1o .
[00:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sorry for that delay - doing laundry also :(
[00:55] <guiverc> not a problem... you're thousands of times faster than my ISP
[00:58] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/03/03/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-620/
[01:00] <Bashing-om> \0/ checking :D
[01:01] <guiverc> I won't attempt social media; my passwords are in my 'hi-tech' password safe (exercise book at home, a book that doesn't leave home)
[01:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Fridge spot check, checks good - as to the remainder of the medias - well, will have to await 'til wildman gets home.
[01:06] <guiverc> (or if/when the ISP fixes my home web connection, I bet Wildman will be faster)
[01:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We work with what we have to work with :P - no connection and you are down for the count, and I have no access :D
[01:13] <guiverc> Bashing-om, we have tweeted too (I got passwd first try...)
[01:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All that is left now is FaceBook ?
[01:16] <guiverc> 3 fails on fb; won't try anymore
[01:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ack - we await wildman to arrive :(
[01:20] <guiverc> Bashing-om, another passwd came to me, this one worked; so fb done now too :)
[01:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D .. All done ? I can now wipe Gdoc ?
[01:24] <guiverc> can't see why not
[01:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wiping :D
[01:31] <Bashing-om> UWN: we do issue 621 - setting up my system presently to support UWN621 - A work of dedication :P
[01:35] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 620 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/03/03/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-620/
[02:11] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: We thought we could not manage without you - But, guiverc did :D
[02:11] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, why would you think that? was there was problem?
[02:13] <guiverc> Wild_Man, I have no internet @ home, currently I'm not home so online for awhile, but my passwd book I don't take away from home
[02:14] <Wild_Man> guiverc, okay, I could have done it now if needed but glad you got it done
[02:36] <krytarik> tsimonq2, pleia2: I'm guessing one of you can edit the Fridge calendar to remove the duplicate entry for the DMB meeting as discussed above?  (cc: teward, Bashing-om)
[02:37] <teward> i'm also guessing it's not a *huge* problem since as Bashing-om said "it's always been like that"
[02:37] <teward> with duplicates
[02:37] <krytarik> Well... >_>
[02:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :)
[02:42] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Btw, I was already offline when you added the two items I mentioned to this week's issue, but the DMB election results should have gone under its own header there.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Did we not decide not to run "Welcome New Members and Developers" under such until we fix our template ?
[02:51] <krytarik> Well, 1.) as I see it we already "fixed" our template (i.e. revert it to being a subsection of General Community News), and 2.) I guess if you put election results under New Members and Developers before and nobody complained then I can't really blame you.
[02:54] <Bashing-om> krytarik: We reverted to bullets as we did not like the result under a header. I be more than happy to try and see what it looks like next time. As above " DMB notice ") /// not real happy with how we do it".
[02:57] <krytarik> Well, that's how you decided to do it!  And yeah, wrt the exact formatting of the bullet point items in the New Members and Developers section, that's indeed something we still have to figure out a little.
[03:00] <Bashing-om> krytarik: It is not my intention to be controversial not make a confrontation - I am here to help . in respect to bulleting New Members and Developers, you directed that change.
[03:02] <krytarik> Well, I merely agreed with you there in that you think it needs refinement a little still.
[03:03] <krytarik> But lumping an entire topic such as the DMB elections under it, certainly isn't the plan.
[03:11] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Fully and completely agree - deserves our full attention. My fear is as we have the template now, though the body of the newsletter looks sane, the contents under General Community News is messy.
[03:12] <krytarik> So you are saying you dislike the items there to be bullet-pointed?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yeah - I feel that notice should be given of these contributions. A short summary is a good thing.
[03:18] <krytarik> I would agree.  And I wonder if just putting them in their own paragraph there and making the names of the concerning people bold, could work out..  Since, as I was just about to point out, the fourth-level header certainly doesn't.
[03:21] <krytarik> That would suck on the mail then though.. :/
[03:22] <krytarik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Text_Formatting - cause it'd have to be like  '''bold'''  then, and I'd assume no mail reader would know to treat it specially then.
[03:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yeah, is a knotty problem - that I do not have the skill set to address :(
[04:29] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Wallpaper Contest – VOTE HERE! @ http://ubuntustudio.org/2020/03/wallpaper-contest-vote-here/
[09:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: How to launch IoT devices – Part 3: make vs buy decisions @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/iot-devices-pt3-infrastructure
[15:29] <pleia2> krytarik: duplicate removed
[17:31] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Anbox Cloud – An introduction @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/anbox-cloud-an-introduction
[18:10] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 620 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/03/03/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-620/ (by guiverc)
[18:28] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Creating real-time ready systems with ACRN and Ubuntu @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/creating-real-time-ready-systems-with-acrn-and-ubuntu


[00:03] <Unit193> 12.04 will be out later this month.
[00:05] <tbrown2012> Unit193: I was waiting on someone to reply what is everyone on #ubuntu chat room
[00:06] <Unit193> I can't quite parse that... It's a support channel, and Ubuntu is released at the same time.
[00:09] <tbrown2012> I have a question I have a little problem I cant open terminal command line I run the emalator or something and it says that there is no applciation selected and I dont know what to do after that please help lol
[00:46] <dougb_freebsd> Hey gang, I'm having a problem with a newly installed 11.10
[00:47] <dougb_freebsd> Trying to run the updates I'm getting a lot of errors about "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources"
[00:47] <dougb_freebsd> when I deselect those updates from the Update Manager, I still get the error
[00:49] <dougb_freebsd> Any suggestions?
[00:49] <Unit193> Seems the keyring is a bit  messed up.
[00:49] <dougb_freebsd> yeah, last night I got a ton of errors with bad signatures on the update files
[00:50] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/116050/update-problems-due-to-installation-of-packages-from-not-authenticated-sources Look like that?
[00:50] <dougb_freebsd> today it's better, but all the updates in the "Other updates" category are still showing in the not authenticated category
[00:53] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193, yes, like that
[00:54] <dougb_freebsd> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:57] <dougb_freebsd> so any ideas?
[00:58] <Unit193> That link had a fix too, did that not help?
[00:58] <dougb_freebsd> it's not a matter of a missing key
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> the key is there, but the signature for the file is bad
[00:59] <Unit193> No, but there was also   sudo apt-get update   from today.
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> right, I did that
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> that's where I got the error message that I pasted
[01:01] <dougb_freebsd> But the bigger problem is that when I deselect the updates that fall under the bad signature, I still get the error about installation of packages from untrusted sources
[01:04] <Unit193> Try   sudo apt-get clean; sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists /var/lib/apt/lists.old; sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <dougb_freebsd> ok, that's running .. downloading files
[01:14] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193, that seems to have worked, thanks!
[01:15] <dougb_freebsd> at least, it got past the error about updates not being authenticated
[01:48] <Unit193> dougb_freebsd: Great!
[01:53] <dougb_freebsd> yeah, I think that solved it, still downloading stuff
[01:53] <dougb_freebsd> (slow link here)
[02:03] <dougb_freebsd> woo hoo! reboot time .... thanks again Unit193
[02:03] <Unit193> Yeppers!
[02:04] <rhin0> can't figure out how to change desktop background on xubuntu 10.04 - plain "set image as desktop background" (right click) doesn't work - anyone?
[02:07] <Unit193> Right click desktop > Desktop Settings
[02:08] <rhin0> where are the images though
[02:08] <rhin0> I want images off the web
[02:08] <rhin0> right click on image doesn't work
[02:08] <rhin0> as in ubuntu
[02:08] <Unit193> Save one, and browse to it using that dialog.
[02:09] <rhin0> yus!
[02:09] <rhin0> didn't see the big + was browse for file
[02:09] <rhin0> ty ty ty
[02:10] <rhin0> had xubuntu years never been able to do that
[02:10] <rhin0> just never figured
[02:11] <rhin0> some things are low priority
[02:12] <Unit193> I seem to press buttons until I find something cool, like a monkey.
[02:14] <rhin0> i have 0 problems with xubuntu
[02:14] <rhin0> ZERO
[02:15] <rhin0> stopped using ubuntu
[02:17] <Vermicelli> I'm considering putting /boot (along with swap) on a flush-fitting SD card in my netbook, since the SSD is so slow. What would be a recommended size for a boot partition (or would there be any reason to discourage me from doing this)?
[02:18] <GridCube> rhin0, you can also set as wallpaper from thunar
[02:18] <GridCube> or from ristretto
[02:18] <rhin0> ok thanks gridcube
[02:19] <GridCube> you can add new backgrounds to ~/.local/share/xfce4/backdrops and they will appear at the contextual menu from the desktop configurations
[02:19] <rhin0> you were the person who helped me fix the caps lock indicator on xubuntu 11.04 I remember gridcube
[02:19] <rhin0> get one
[02:19] <GridCube> :D that works now?
[02:20] <GridCube> i made it a default addon on 12.04
[02:20] <rhin0> was months ago - I stopped using xubuntu 11.04 though because it had problems
[02:20] <rhin0> you control things?
[02:20] <GridCube> nope i just asked for it
[02:20] <GridCube> :P
[02:20] <rhin0> I remember you saying it should have been default - you were posting on ubuntu forums
[02:20] <GridCube> knome controls things
[02:20] <GridCube> :)
[02:21] <rhin0> what do you use
[02:21] <rhin0> gridcube
[02:21] <GridCube> xubuntu 11.10 for now
[02:21] <GridCube> will switch to 12.04 on my netbook this week to test live installs, i havent had the time yet
[02:22] <GridCube> will switch to 12.04 later next month or the next if i feel like it, 11.10 is working pretty well
[02:22] <GridCube> in my main computer
[02:22] <rhin0> have you thought of lubuntu
[02:22] <GridCube> i've tried it, not my cup of tea
[02:23] <GridCube> rhin0, can we continue this on offtopic? this is not help support
[02:23] <GridCube> !ot
[02:23] <rhin0> ok
[02:24] <Vermicelli> Is 100 MB comfortable for /boot? Or too small?
[02:24] <GridCube> far too much
[02:24] <Vermicelli> What's more reasonable?
[02:25] <Vermicelli> Can't find much info.
[02:26] <GridCube> let me check for some manual
[02:26] <Vermicelli> #ubuntu is telling me 200-500MB.
[02:27] <bazhang> ...
[02:27] <GridCube> The partition mounted on /boot/ contains the operating system kernel (which allows your system to boot Red Hat Enterprise Linux), along with files used during the bootstrap process. For most users, a 250 MB boot partition is sufficient.
[02:27] <GridCube> thats pretty much the usual recommendation yes
[02:28] <Vermicelli> thanks
[02:28] <GridCube> i just have a dedicated / thats about 20gb and a /home partition
[02:28] <GridCube> i never find any problems
[02:28] <GridCube> Vermicelli, http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html
[02:30] <GridCube> Vermicelli, what ubuntu does is installs many kernels alongside each other, each times it updates, you can unistall them if things dont break after one
[02:30] <Vermicelli> On a 512MB ram netbook with a sloooow SSD, woudl it be worth it to give up some swap space on a 1GB SD card to allow for a 250MB /boot? THinking probably not at this point.
[02:32] <GridCube> Vermicelli, i dont really know how ssd works, but by guess i would say that maybe, if you create the swap partition at the begining of the ssd it should be faster(?)
[02:33] <Vermicelli> thanks
[02:33] <GridCube> because... its at the beginig?
[02:33] <Vermicelli> hah
[02:33] <GridCube> im just guessing here
[02:33] <Vermicelli> I'm not sure SSD takes that into any consideration, since there's no disk seek at all.
[02:35] <GridCube> yes... i guess
[02:35] <GridCube> im reading that the recommendations is, do not put a swap on ss disks
[02:35] <GridCube> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Swap_Space_on_SSDs
[02:35] <Vermicelli> Because of the "wear" associated with frequent writes, I think.
[02:36] <Vermicelli> A reason I'm using ext2 rather than ext3.
[02:36] <GridCube> mmhm
[02:36] <GridCube> apparently people also recommends ext4
[02:37] <GridCube> it uses this "trim" thing that i dont know what is
[02:38] <rhin0> trim is for ssd drives (solid state)
[02:39] <rhin0> In computing, a TRIM command allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive  (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be  wiped internally. While TRIM is frequently spelled in capital letters,  it is a command name, not an acronym.[1]
[02:40] <GridCube> rhin0, i pretty much imagined it was something on those lines, yes
[02:40] <GridCube> Vermicelli, so you might want to use ext4 on that ssd
[02:40] <Vermicelli> Thanks. I think this is what I need to do. http://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu
[02:41] <GridCube> i would guess that you do yes :)
[02:42] <GridCube> then... yes, put the swap on the sdcard
[02:42] <GridCube> keep in mind that ubuntu NEEDS a swap partition anyway, or it wont even install
[02:43] <GridCube> even if you have 16gb of ram :P
[02:45] <Vermicelli> Yeah, was going to do swap on the card all along. I think on so small a card though, I can't afford space for /boot.
[02:45] <Vermicelli> Hah- my SSD: http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=SSDPAMM0008G1
[02:45] <GridCube> :) good
[02:46] <GridCube> lol
[02:46] <GridCube> XD
[02:46] <GridCube> thats pretty low
[02:47] <Vermicelli> Well thanks for the advice. I'm off.
[02:48] <GridCube> bye
[03:46] <oldmanstan> hey all, using xubuntu 12.04, mp3s played fine when i first installed, now there's a missing plugin, any thoughts? known issue?
[03:47] <holstein> oldmanstan: i bet it wasnt an mp3
[03:47] <holstein> theres a meta package called ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:48] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[03:48] <holstein> also, #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 support
[03:48] <oldmanstan> hmm, i just checked and i guess it's possible it was an ogg file (there are quite a few), but the vast majority of my collection is mp3, you sure the mp3 codecs aren't installed by default?
[03:49] <holstein> oldmanstan: used to be a thing in the installer... for installing the fluendo codec
[03:49] <holstein> oldmanstan: you can open the pacakge manager of your choice, and search mp3
[03:50] <oldmanstan> ah, fluendo, lovely
[03:50] <oldmanstan> yeah, i do remember it being in the installer at one point or another
[03:51] <oldmanstan> maybe because i used the alternate iso? weird, thanks though!
[03:51] <holstein> oldmanstan: yes.. not fluendo prompt on the alternate ISO AFAIK
[03:52] <oldmanstan> ahh ok, that's what i get for being old-fashioned, hehe
[03:53] <holstein> oldmanstan: just install one
[03:53] <holstein> install that one if you like.. you'll find it from search fluendo, and/or mp3
[03:54] <oldmanstan> yep, already got it
[03:54] <oldmanstan> all is working now :)
[03:56] <holstein> enjoy!
[03:56] <oldmanstan> thanks again
[04:57] <maoranma> I'm confused, the blog for Xubuntu 12.04 says that it uses pavucontrol over xfce-mixer. Does that mean there's no alsa sound drivers on Xubuntu 12.04?
[05:02] <baizon> maoranma: there is just von xfce mixer
[05:05] <baizon> von = no
[05:05] <baizon> alsa sound drivers stays :)
[05:05] <maoranma> Hmm, having issues getting sounds out of an alsa using application for some reason
[05:22] <maoranma> Strange, I ran alsa-mixer, muted and unmuted, and now I have sound in mednafen
[05:24] <baizon> i had to do the same when i switch from speakers to hdmi for example
[05:29] <baizon> not sure if still got it, dont have the oportunity to test it
[07:30] <Orange_> hello
[08:44] <CellTech> Odd. It didn't send anything I typed
[08:44] <CellTech> I just did the sudo apt-get upgrade and update. Should I do the autoclean one now?
[08:49] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, I was wondering if there was a way to set thunar to automount external storage devices during start. Found out I had to remove and add the external hdd before it is mounted
[08:50] <bigbrovar> It's an ntfs external drive and I don't want to have to add it to fstab cus its not always attached to the system
[08:51] <bigbrovar> Just wondering if automounting of drives could happen during startup
[08:51] <bigbrovar> Like the system mounts added drives when starting up
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> you might be able to set a udev rule for that
[09:01] <bigbrovar> Yeah my thinking too.. Might have to find the command that mounts when a drive is connected
[09:01] <bigbrovar> Will look into it thanks
[10:34] <JukeUK> Hi all - I'm a new user of Xubuntu and linux tbh.  Just installed the 32bit desktop version on a 2 GHz Core 2 laptop.  Then saw that Xubuntu recommends using the 64-bit for Core 2 processors.  Are there any advantages to switching?
[10:39] <Belserusk> I am thinking of jumping to Xubuntu 12.04 from Ubuntu 10.04 next week. Is it a good move?
[10:40] <knome> Belserusk, if you can do a fresh install, that's always better, but upgrading should work too
[10:44] <bigbrovar> JukeUk - not much really, I personally prefer 32 bit cus I am a general computer user and although 64 bit support has improved considerably on Linux there are still some odd cases where support is lacking
[10:44] <Belserusk> knome, Definitely. Although I have Xubuntu 11.10 on my 2nd PC and that was upgraded over the internet from 11.04 so upgrading over the internet to 12.04 should be fine?
[10:44] <knome> Belserusk, yup
[10:45] <JukeUK> bigbrovar, ty
[10:46] <bigbrovar> The slight difference in performance u get with 64bit is rarely significant when doing everyday computing. The biggest advantage is ability to use a 4gb+ ram which 32 bit os can't see. (they see only 3.5gb) but using a pae kernel fixes that
[10:47] <JukeUK> that wouldn't really affect me as the laptop can only take a max of 4GB and for the sake of 1/2 gig it's not worth the aggro.
[10:48] <Belserusk> knome, thanks.
[10:48] <Belserusk> knome, Is Xubuntu supported by Cannonical?
[10:49] <knome> Belserusk, the xubuntu team gets the infrastructure to use from canonical, but not much otherwise
[11:00] <xubuntu243> Hi
[11:07] <Belserusk> Will Xubuntu be prone to more bugs than Ubuntu or will bugs fixed be fixed equally fast?
[11:08] <knome> Belserusk, the bugs that are not xubuntu-specific are the same because naturally they land on all derivatives, xubuntu-specific bugs (mostly xfce) will depend on how trivial they are and if the xfce team fixes them quickly
[11:10] <Belserusk> knome, Which version of Xubuntu are you on? Your overall rating for Xubuntu out or 10?
[11:11] <knome> i'm on 12.04
[11:11] <knome> i'll let others rate how we are ;)
[11:11]  * knome is the project leader
[11:13] <Belserusk> knome, Fair enough. ^_^
[11:13] <Belserusk> Bye knome
[11:14] <knome> bye, and have fun
[11:14] <z4k4ri4> Hi, just installed xubuntu 12.04 (daily live), works great!
[11:15] <knome> z4k4ri4, good to hear
[11:15] <z4k4ri4> Is there anyway to make short cut to show window list?
[11:16] <z4k4ri4> Kinda window menu in panel
[11:16] <knome> z4k4ri4, not sure, but you can get that open by middle-clicking mouse on the desktop
[11:16] <z4k4ri4> Nah, It's on laptop
[11:17] <knome> z4k4ri4, alt+tab works for me, but you probably knew it exists already
[11:18] <z4k4ri4> I found it: xfdesktop --windowlist
[11:18] <z4k4ri4> thanks anyway
[11:21] <xubuntu528> hey, can anyone tell me if the USB problem ( not detecting ) was solved in xubuntu 11 ?
[12:30] <xubuntu165> Hello
[12:31] <xubuntu165> I just installed Xubuntu
[12:31] <xubuntu165> and I have added 2 additional keyboard layouts - russian and azerbaijani
[12:33] <xubuntu165> but I can't change the layout unless I go to settings->keyboard input method
[12:33] <xubuntu165> isn't there any shortcut?
[12:34] <xubuntu165> for example combination like Alt+Shift
[13:05] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[13:06] <baizon> welcome
[13:07] <ThePendulum> What's a nice little DVD ripping tool? There's an OS on it, not media
[13:11] <ThePendulum> I figured I could simply copy the files from the disk, lol
[13:39] <JukeUK> <----- linux newbie.  Are there any maintenance routines I should be doing with Xubuntu or am I being too MS mindset?
[13:43] <Pici> JukeUK: beyond making sure that you keep up-to-date with updates/upgrades, nothing really.
[13:43] <Pici> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:43] <Pici> (which *doesn't* upgrade you to a new release, see the manpage or /msg upbottu dist-upgrade for more info)
[13:49] <JukeUK> Pici, thanks :)
[15:10] <loppy> babble?
[15:10] <loppy> anyone?
[15:11] <loppy> grrrr!
[15:11] <knome> loppy, can we help you with a support question?
[15:12] <loppy> yes.
[15:13] <loppy> unban me from the offtopic!
[15:14] <knome> you are free to discuss that in -ops, it's offtopic here
[15:14] <loppy> it is??????
[15:19] <loppy> hi
[15:23] <loppy> hi baizon!
[15:26] <mneptok> loppy: there is no need to greet every single nick that /joins
[15:30] <baizon> hi loppy
[16:41] <Wizard> yo
[16:41] <Wizard> seems more and more users here :]
[17:24] <xubuntu946> hello
[17:27] <Wizard> hi xubuntu946
[17:27] <xubuntu946> hey Wizard
[17:28] <xubuntu946> I got a apt-get install question if you don't mind..
[17:32] <xubuntu946> I am trying to apt-get install irssi but I get a bunch of stuff that says E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[17:33] <xubuntu946> I never had this when I was using Ubuntu a few months back.
[17:33] <Unit193> Try   sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install -f; sudo apt-get install irssi
[17:35] <xubuntu946> ok, i'll try it now
[17:39] <Wizard> this should help
[17:40] <Wizard> actually, apt-get install -f alone should
[17:40] <Wizard> sorry for the delay ;]
[17:41] <Unit193> Well, outdated cache can be an issue as well.
[17:41] <xubuntu946> looks like it worked.  Thank you Unit193 and Wizard
[17:41] <Unit193> Great!
[17:41] <xubuntu946> new install
[17:49] <Wizard> hmm
[17:49] <Wizard> fresh install had such issue?
[17:49] <xubuntu946> yep just got it going
[17:49] <Wizard> that's strange
[17:49] <Wizard> 11.10?
[17:50] <orangeninja> ok I am xubuntu946, hey Unit193 !!
[17:50] <orangeninja> let me see
[17:51] <Unit193> Howdy.
[17:53] <orangeninja> yep Wizard
[17:53] <orangeninja> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[17:53] <orangeninja> Description:	Ubuntu 11.10
[17:55] <Wizard> hmm
[17:56] <Wizard> not good, I want to install xubuntu 11.10 tommorow on my work notebook
[18:02] <Unit193> Not an issue, all you have to do is apt-get update first, or else there are broken depends.
[18:12] <craigbass1976> When I log into a Unity / ubuntu session, I'm all set.  When I log into xfce, my laptop won't go to sleep after shutting the lid.  Screen goes dark, but everything is still running.  What'd I miss?
[18:13] <pleia2> craigbass1976: settings manager > power manager
[18:13] <GridCube> welp, if i dont understand things wrong, unity pretty much flops things up
[18:13] <pleia2> review settings in there to make it do what you want
[18:19] <craigbass1976> pleia2, what's the command?  I'm trying it from the menu, but there's a flicker of a window and nothing.  No idea what the error might be without a terminal
[18:20] <pleia2> let's see...
[18:20] <pleia2> xfce4-power-manager
[18:20] <pleia2> no
[18:20] <pleia2> xfce4-power-manager-settings
[18:21] <craigbass1976> pleia2, it wasn't running.  It's still not running
[18:22] <pleia2> sorry, xfce4-power-manager-settings is the command you run to launch the settings manager
[18:22] <craigbass1976> pleia2, oh, forget it.  Now It's running.  but I've seen this screen before
[18:30] <craigbass1976> pleia2, hey, I got it working.  THe power manager doesn't seem to be starting at boot though
[18:31] <pleia2> craigbass1976: under "session and startup" in the settings is it checked?
[18:32] <pleia2> in the "application autostart" tab
[18:41] <craigbass1976> pleia2, actually it is.  Hrmmmm
[18:42] <pleia2> craigbass1976: hm, not sure, might check in /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/syslog to see if there are any notices about it that indicate why it's not starting
[18:42] <pleia2> craigbass1976: whatversion of xubuntu are you using?
[18:43] <craigbass1976> pleia2, there aren't two managers that will be fighting?  I'm on 12.04
[18:43] <pleia2> craigbass1976: ah, is the gnome power manager running?
[18:44] <pleia2> I'd submit a bug here: https://launchpad.net/xfce4-power-manager (include details from here, including that it is set to start up in settings)
[18:45] <craigbass1976> pleia2, I don't see it.
[18:46] <pleia2> I haven't seen that problem here, but if you submit a bug the devs can look into it and maybe get it fixed for you by release time
[18:54] <grifo74> hello how i install intel graphics card
[18:55] <grifo74> and opengl
[18:58] <Wizard> grifo74, works for me by default on asus eeepc and some "enterprise" asus with optimus (intel foreced in bios)
[18:59] <Sysi> about all intel cards should work by default, opengl too
[19:00] <genii-around> Some of the i810 are problemmatic, need composite enabled in xorg.conf
[19:00] <grifo74> i try to run stunt rally on my son pc and dont work
[19:00] <grifo74> how i enable
[19:01] <craigbass1976> pleia2, call me numb, but I don't see where to submit a bug...
[19:02] <grifo74> i go install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:03] <grifo74> and restar my pc i back in minutes
[19:05] <justanick> Hello, why does the xfce4-power-manager not see the ACPI powerbutton?
[19:07] <Wizard> not see?
[19:08] <Unit193> You should be able to configure that in keyboard shortcuts to power off.
[19:08] <justanick> The part for "What should happens if the power button is pressed is missing
[19:08] <Wizard> is acpid running/installed?
[19:09] <justanick> Also the XFCE session does not react on it. The shell without a running XFCE does and  shutdown the system
[19:09] <justanick> acpid is installed
[19:10] <justanick> And acpi_listen reacts on a powerbutton press
[19:10] <Wizard> strange
[19:11] <justanick> Xfce is runnig without lightdm. But that should not be the problem, or
[19:11] <justanick> ?
[19:11] <Wizard> no, it shouldn't
[19:13] <justanick> The power button is also missing in the xfce4-power-manager.xml
[19:14] <pleia2> craigbass1976: run this command: ubuntu-bug xfce4-power-manager
[19:16] <craigbass1976> pleia2, that's the only way?  Ok, I don't feel so dumb then for not seeign a link
[19:18] <pleia2> craigbass1976: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs has information about what the tool does
[19:18] <pleia2> it does some basic stuff like collecting information about your system that devs need to duplicate and diagnose the problem, searches the bug tracker to see if it's already been reported
[19:26] <justanick> Bye.
[19:28] <craigbass1976> pleia2, well, we'll see what happens.  I could probably write a script for now that would start it up, right?
[19:55] <cousteau> what's the default video player on xubuntu precise?  I'm checking what's installed by default
[19:56] <maoranma> Parole I believe
[19:56] <cousteau> and so far (apart from some programs I don't like much, such as abiword or leafpad), they look ok
[19:58] <looonger> is xubuntu xfce still so heavily gnome-dependent?
[19:58] <cousteau> e.g. Thunderbird, gThumb, XChat, Evince...  I would install those even if they weren't by default
[19:59] <cousteau> I'll probably get rid of Parole (or leave it installed but not use it) and use gnome-mplayer
[20:00] <cousteau> or VLC for the formats gnome-mplayer doesn't support very well
[20:07] <cousteau> well, I'll just wait for 12.04 to be released, and then download it, try it and install it
[20:07] <looonger> i can't wait for xfce 4.10
[20:07] <cousteau> for now...  where the hell are my repositories?  (using 10.10, they removed them before releasing 12.04 and they're not yet in old-releases)
[20:13] <cousteau> ...oh, they are still there
[20:14] <holstein> cousteau: you can run one locally for as long as you'd like
[20:15] <cousteau> holstein, yes, but without repositories you can't install stuff
[20:16] <cousteau> so I was kinda worried
[20:17] <holstein> cousteau: you can run your own repositories locally, and install what you like
[20:18] <cousteau> yeah, well, I'd need to get all repositories first
[20:18] <cousteau> (and also they must be huge)
[20:20] <holstein> cousteau: ifi you want to use 10.10 past EOL, you can though... canonnical just aint going to "foot the bill" much longer
[20:20] <holstein> cousteau: AFAIK, you can use a DVD... apt-on-cd or whatever
[20:21] <cousteau> well, my idea was to use the old-releases repositories (located on old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/), but maverick isn't there yet
[20:22] <cousteau> and I thought they had already removed the repos because I got a message that my version wasn't supported anymore
[20:25] <holstein> ive never used an OS past EOL and expected updates, so im not sure how that will work for you
[20:27] <Pici> If maverick isn't there yet that means its still on the main mirrors.
[20:27] <Pici> They don't always move it the day of EOL.
[20:32] <cousteau> holstein, well, I'm not expecting updates, only be able to install stuff
[20:33] <holstein> allow me to clarify... ive never used an OS past EOL and expected to "install stuff" from a repository someone else maintains
[20:34] <cousteau> where "someone else" is "canonical"?  or "the PPA of this guy"?
[20:34] <cousteau> *"this guy who has a PPA"
[20:35] <holstein> not me basically... i would expect to be on my own
[20:35] <cousteau> ok
[20:35] <holstein> i dont see any reason not to upgrade though using xubuntu
[20:36] <cousteau> Well, I once made a local repository for LibreOffice, because there wasn't a PPA yet and I didn't just want to install all the debs...  but it was complicated and unfulfilling
[20:36] <cousteau> well, having 10.10, I was planning on doing a clean install
[20:37] <holstein> cousteau: by whatever method you choose, i see no reason to stay back at 10.10
[20:38] <cousteau> well, I prefer to just wait for 12.04 to be released, so I kill 2 birds with 1 stone
[20:38] <cousteau> actually...  3 birds
[20:38] <cousteau> 3½, since I'd also move from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[20:39] <holstein> sure... im just not sure why we are disscussing keeping 10.10 alive
[20:39] <cousteau> it's just a temporary solution
[20:43] <cousteau> what the...?  ants!
[20:43] <cousteau> brb, killing ants
[20:45] <pleia2> cousteau: try archive.ubuntu.com instead of old-releases
[20:53] <cousteau> pleia2, yeah, they're still there
[20:53] <cousteau> it's only that I thought they weren't
[20:59]  * cousteau uses vacuum cleaner...  it's kinda effectice
[21:00] <cousteau> AAWRGH!!  there was an ant in my sleeve!
[21:00] <cousteau> AND IT WAS ALIVE!!
[21:03] <pleia2> cousteau: can you move the vacuum and ant talk to #xubuntu-offtopic? :)
[21:04] <cousteau> yeah, the vacuum thing should have gone to another channel, sorry
[22:56] <xubuntu933> greeting, anyone available to help?
[22:56] <xubuntu933> greeting, anyone available to help?
[22:57] <Unit193> !ask
[22:58] <xubuntu933> i am trying xubunt 12.04 beta2. install minitube, however, no video, what should I do to get video
[22:59] <holstein> xubuntu933: i would try another browser... its like a flash issue.. however, flash cannot be officially supported, and 12.04 is supported in #ubuntu+1
[23:00] <holstein> its likely a flash issue*
[23:00] <Unit193> "Minitube does not require the Flash Player.", but that's about all I know of it.
[23:01] <holstein> yeah? someone else ws saying it did the other day in another channel..
[23:01] <Unit193> Alright, I don't doubt you.


[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
 Hey
 @woodworkingcavem> I recently upgraded to 19.04 and now am unable to logoff using the Leave -, Restarting the system or logging off might help
[07:21] <lordievader> Hrmm, that Telegram bot makes replies look very strange on Matrix.
[07:50] <jubo2> Hi. When trying to open a Plasma Vault I insert the correct password, but it says "Failed to open: Unable to perform the operation". I did delete and recreate KDE Wallet, because it suddenly started asking for an unset password. Can this effect? How can I get more verbose message of why the vault won't open?
[07:51] <jubo2> I have googled, but this does not seem to be a common error
 Ok
[08:01] <lordievader> jubo2: Do you see something more if you open the manager via the command line (`kwalletmanager5`) and then try to open it?
[08:01] <jubo2> lordievader: I try that now
[08:02] <jubo2> lordievader: It says "Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)" and opens the GUI
[08:02] <jubo2> Is the CryFS somehow using the wallet?
[08:03] <lordievader> Is that when opening the manager, or when opening the wallet?
[08:03] <jubo2> I have a kdewallet.kwl.bak where I moved the wallet with the unset password that it keeps on asking for
[08:03] <jubo2> lordievader: manager
[08:03] <lordievader> Oh, wait. My line of thinking is wrong.
[08:04] <jubo2> but having a KDE Wallet which one is unable to open, because no password was ever set, is no fun
[08:04] <lordievader> jubo2: This might help you: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/a3lj7b/vault_wont_open/?st=k0w4jxqe&sh=3ba7116a
[08:07] <jubo2> lordievader: I tried the cli way of opening the vault. It says "Loading config file (this can take some time)...Error: Could not load config file. Did you enter the correct password?"
[08:07] <jubo2> and I am sure the password is right
[08:08] <jubo2> the only thing that has changed (afaik) is that I deleted the default wallet (because it wanted a password that was never set). I don't see why the cryfs would depend on the wallet. Am I wrong?
[08:09] <lordievader> I suppose the wallet is only used to supply the password.
[08:09] <jubo2> This is not a full panic situation as nearly all data in the vault is also elsewhere, but this kind of unreliability is not cool
[08:09] <jubo2> lordievader: so what to do?
[08:10] <jubo2> and wallet provides passwords, but cryfs asks the password from the user. Perhaps it gets the hash to compare it with from the wallet
[08:11] <lordievader> jubo2: https://github.com/cryfs/cryfs/issues/235
[08:14] <jubo2> lordievader: using the -f switch does not change the output at all
[08:15] <jubo2> Iirc there is no way to set a password for a KDEWallet where the password is unknown
[08:16] <jubo2> If the Plasma-Vault depends on KDE Wallet it would be nice to mention
[08:19] <lordievader> It shouldn't. Don't know much about cryfs, but seems to be just an encrypted filesystem where kwallet supplies a password instead of the user.
[08:19] <jubo2> CryFS asks for the password from the user
[08:19] <jubo2> and now it does not complain about incorrect password, but just that it is unable to perform the operation
[08:21] <Unit193> Somewhat unrelated, but libpam-mount is pretty handy with cryfs/gocryptfs.
[08:22] <lordievader> jubo2: Is there anything in dmesg about it?
[08:22] <jubo2> lordievader: how do I check? (I'm not texy)
[08:22] <lordievader> `sudo dmesg -T`
[08:24] <jubo2> lordievader: nope, nothing in 'dmesg -T' about the vault not working as expected
[08:24] <lordievader> Also nothing about fuse?
[08:24] <jubo2> lordievader: nope
[08:25] <lordievader> What about the syslog?
[08:25] <jubo2> lordievader: how do I check?
[08:25] <lordievader> `cat` or `tail` `/var/log/syslog`
[08:27] <jubo2> lordievader: nope.. just one 'fuse init' 45 minutes ago (which was approx the reboot time)
[08:28] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the full output of an `cryfs <basedir> <mount>` operation?
[08:30] <jubo2> lordievader: ok
[08:31] <jubo2> lordievader: https://paste.debian.net/1102144/
[08:32] <lordievader> Do you have strace installed?
[08:37] <jubo2> lordievader: yes
[08:41] <lordievader> Could you give the output of `strace -e open cryfs <basedir> <mount>`?
[08:42] <jubo2> lordievader: Ran it. Just reports '+++ exited with 11 +++'
[08:42] <jubo2> otherwise looks like the last pastebin
[08:44] <lordievader> > Under Linux and most other Unix variants, the signal number 11 indicates a segmentation fault
[08:44] <lordievader> From https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31103254/meaning-of-exit-code-11-in-c
[08:45] <lordievader> Are you sure nothing, apart from kwallet, changed?
[08:45] <jubo2> lordievader: yes.
[08:46] <lordievader> Could you manually create a new cryfs and try to mount that?
[08:46] <jubo2> manually... is it ok if I do with GUI?
[08:47] <lordievader> If it is a frontend for cryfs specifically, sure.
[08:48] <lordievader> https://www.cryfs.org/tutorial/
[08:48] <jubo2> lordievader: Ok. I created a new vault and it opens up just fine
[08:48] <lordievader> Ok, so it is a problem specific to this mount.
[08:49] <lordievader> Wait, can you also open the vault (cryfs) manually from the commandline?
[08:49] <jubo2> lemme try
[08:50] <jubo2> yeah. opens up
[08:50] <jubo2> from cli
[08:51] <jubo2> lordievader: yes. I can open the new vault from GUI and from CLI and write files into it.
[08:51] <jubo2> So everything points to that for some reason that I don't comprehend the Plasma Vault uses KDE Wallet for something
[08:52] <lordievader> No
[08:53] <lordievader> It doesn't
[08:53] <jubo2> ah. ok.
[08:54] <lordievader> This seems more like a problem with cryfs. You might want to make an issue on github about it. They are much more knowledgable about cryfs than I am 😉
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hey blues
 You should come on to ##forthenerds
[12:24] <BluesKaj> never considered myself a nerd
 Lol that doesn't matter
[12:27] <BluesKaj> thanks for the invite, but I'm on 8 chats already
 Oh ok no problem
 Fwd from anvarom: Hello everyone! I have two technical questions: … 1- In older versions, in multimedia settings, there had an option to create a virtual device for simultaneous output, but in Kubuntu 19.04 this option is not present. Someone can tell me why? This obligates me to install paprefs package to enable this option. … 2- Could someone tell me if is possible connect more than one audio bluetooth device in A2DP mode? For n
[15:02] <Crell> Hi folks. Screen issue with 19.04. My computer is up and running, but when I plug it into an external monitor (USBC dock), I see only the background on both displays. The apps are still running and if I  undock it again I get everything back on the laptop screen, but nothing is showing up on either display when docked.
[15:03] <Crell> I cannot open settings, either, as that opens wherever the other windows are hiding so I cannot use it while docked.  I've not had anything like this happen in a very long time.  Any idea what to do with it?


[12:40] <keescook> mjg59: 133823
[12:41] <mjg59> keescook: Only thing I can think of is a blacklist issue
[12:41] <keescook> mjg59: yeah, that's what I though too, but I see no mention of it.
[12:43] <keescook> mostly I'm just curious, and at this point I can't really debug it more without hardware
[12:59] <calc> evand: you here?
[12:59] <evand> calc: yes
[01:00] <calc> evand: which odf converter is what we should be using it looks like its for windows from odf -> ooxml
[01:00] <calc> evand: perhaps i am a bit confused
[01:00] <evand> can you rephrase that?
[01:01] <calc> it appears that the ODF translator command line tools are for use in windows
[01:02] <calc> to convert from openoffice to office xml
[01:02] <evand> http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/ is the one that worked for me
[01:03] <evand> freespire has a deb (looks hairy though): http://apt2.freespire.org/CNRUbuntu/pool/main/o/odf-converter/
[01:03] <calc> evand: ah ok, i'll look at that to see what they did with it
[01:03] <evand> calc: awesome, thank you
[01:10] <lamont> ttf-*-fonts needs to use dpkg triggers. kthxbye
[01:24] <pygi> doko, ping
[02:47] <elmo> in 10 minutes titanium.canonical.com, the machine hosting wiki.ubuntu.com, help.ubuntu.com and other launchpad-enabled wikis, will be shutdown for some necessary maintenance, ETD is 5 minutes
[02:51] <bddebian> Noooo
[02:58] <LongPointyStick> oh dear
[02:59] <pygi> LongPointyStick, xD
[03:00] <elmo> (titanium / wiki.u.c etc. is back)
[04:21] <TheMuso> Would a core dev mind doing a no-change rebuild upload for gnome-speech so it can be built against the new espeak? Thanks.
[04:21] <TheMuso> If any are around and not busy...
[04:23] <pygi> TheMuso, it's 4:22 in the morning xD
[04:24] <TheMuso> pygi: There are core devs in other timezones you know.
[04:24] <pygi> TheMuso, possibly =)
[04:25] <snap-l> I thought everyone used the one true TZ: EST+5
[04:25] <snap-l> Tell these slackers to wake up! :)
[04:26] <LongPointyStick> TheMuso: doing
[04:26] <LongPointyStick> done
[04:27] <TheMuso> LongPointyStick: Thanks heaps. I don't think its worth a bug filing for something so trivial.
[04:28] <LongPointyStick> :)
[04:28] <LongPointyStick> no problem
[04:36] <mneptok> "I don't think its worth a bug filing for something so trivial."  -  last words of my pediatrician before he got his license revoked.
[04:37] <TheMuso> mneptok: haha
[04:37] <TheMuso> I think this is somewhat different.
[04:38] <mneptok> TheMuso: you obviously haven't seen my thought-to-speech routines. they're ... somewhat obfuscated.
[04:39] <TheMuso> heh
[08:32] <calc> evand: odf-converter sucks, it is written in windows and apparently just happens to sometimes work on linux, having to rewrite most of the makefiles to some extent in some cases they don't exist at all :-\
[08:33] <calc> evand: but maybe by tomorrow night I will have something to test with on the current version
[09:01] <pitti> A beautiful morning, Ubunteras and Ubunteros!
[09:01] <mdke> morning pitti
[09:03] <superm1> Ubuntueras haha..
[09:07] <bryce_> heya pitti
[09:08] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <superm1> pitti, do you have a few moments to discuss two SRU bugs that I subscribed ubuntu-archive to earlier?  I anticipate that they will be jostling discussion before they are touched, so its probably better to discuss them before I head to bed in a bit
[09:10] <superm1> the past two archive admins that have touched it at least it sparked discussion :)
[09:11] <LaserJock> good morning dholbach
[09:11] <superm1> mornin bryce_ dholbach
[09:11] <dholbach> hey LaserJock, hey superm1
[09:11] <dholbach> how are you guys doing?
[09:11] <superm1> i'm getting sleepy :S
[09:11] <LaserJock> I need to go to bed
[09:11] <LaserJock> heh
[09:12] <superm1> been finally going through and cleaning up my t-bird the last few hours
[09:12] <superm1> nice to have things finally going in the right places and marked read
[09:12] <pitti> superm1: no problem; please just point me to them, and I'll comment in the bug
[09:12] <superm1> bug 134726 and bug 134801
[09:12] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 134726 in mythtv "MythTV 0.20.2 SRU " [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134726
[09:12] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 134801 in mythplugins "Mythplugins 0.20.2 SRU " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134801
[09:12] <dholbach> good night then :)
[09:12] <superm1> they should both be at the stage of the (revised) MOTU SRU process where an archive admin will need to touch them to copy over to -updates
[09:13] <superm1> the process was revised at the last MOTU meeting, and can be seen at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[09:18] <pitti> doko_: ah, so db4.6 is meant to go back to universe for gutsy?
[09:19] <pitti> doko_: so we still need to rebuild pam and fix the b-dep of rpm?
[09:33] <soren> Is it expected that evolution-data-server eats 1.8GB RAM?
[09:35] <Mithrandir> no
[09:35] <\sh> since this morning I don't have any shadows anymore with compiz-fusion..but fusion is running, and all other effects are there
[09:36] <soren> Mithrandir: Didn't think so. :) I also never expected to need swap space in a desktop machine with 4GB of RAM.
[09:59] <ion_> Hm, would a new program still make it into universe? (I could package apt-mark-sync)
[10:11] <pitti> hey mvo
[10:13] <mvo> hey pitti
[10:14] <pitti> mvo: do you have some time to do some SRU verifications for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06.2 ?
[10:14] <pitti> mvo: some are trivial to test, but I already tested some myself, and some are mine, so I cannot test them
[10:15] <pitti> mvo: in particular: 62986, 137849, 57445, 58935
[10:17] <mvo> ok
[10:17] <pitti> mvo: thanks; shouldn't take much time
[10:24] <Mithrandir> pitti: I'm starting to look at getting the ubuntu-mobile packages into main and it's a fair amount of MIRs.  Do you want me to write normal ones or do you have a suggestion on a better way to do it?
[10:25] <pitti> Mithrandir: the standard MIRs would be quite useless IMHO, since there is no security record and Debian bugs, etc.
[10:25] <Mithrandir> pitti: some packages come from Debian, etc, though.  Like, matchbox or contacts.
[10:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: I think there should just be a list of packages, Ian and I review them, promote the innocent ones, and file bugs about things that prevent main promotion; is that ok for you?
[10:26] <Mithrandir> sounds like a plan to me.
[10:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: ah, those should have MIRs then
[10:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: I meant the hildon framework mainly
[10:26] <Mithrandir> yeah, understood
[10:26] <pitti> there's not really a question of whether to promote them anyway, since it's an important goal
[10:27] <Mithrandir> do you want that in private mail or a wiki page or something else?
[10:27] <Mithrandir> sure, but getting review means we get forced to fix any shortcuts we've taken.
[10:27] <pitti> Mithrandir: public wiki page should do IMHO; there's nothing private about the packages in the archive anyway
[10:27] <Mithrandir> sure
[10:27] <Mithrandir> I think we've fixed most of the shortcuts, but getting a second eye on them would be good
[10:27] <pitti> yeah, I still insist of a review of a package before promotion :)
[10:28] <pitti> yep, that would be good
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: this is so you can bypass the universe mess, right?  :)
[10:29] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: no, it's actually not, it's so I have less pain when dealing with moblin-image-creator when doing lpia images (since lpia lives on ports.u.c rather than archive.u.c)
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ahhh....
[10:29] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I realise it might look differently, though
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i'ts no particular problem.  like you say, the stuff was always intended to go to main :)
[10:30] <pitti> cjwatson: can you please have a quick look at bug 103291? this looks like a straightforward patch which might also be suitable for dapper.2
[10:30] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 103291 in lilo-installer "lilo-installer fails on HP (Compaq) SmartArray controllers (/dev/cciss)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103291
[10:30] <sladen> mdz: mjg59: sorry I wasn't online last night.  AFAICT, 90% of the seeks that tracker is doing are  seek(), read(), seek(), write() on it's own index files.  ...rather than being sensible and holding the database *in RAM*...
[10:30] <cjwatson> mobile MIRs> we're supposed to be moving to bugs anyway; perhaps this would be a good opportunity to try it out
[10:30] <cjwatson> pitti: ok
[10:31] <pitti> cjwatson: I thought the bugs only track the status, whereas the actual report stays in the wiki?
[10:32] <Mithrandir> pitti: if we do bugs, I'll just file bugs for all the components, you guys go "yes, yes, no, no, yes, no" and I do full MIRs in the wiki for those that you go no on?
[10:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: WFM
[10:32] <cjwatson> pitti: that wasn't clear to me
[10:32] <pitti> I didn't follow the discussion about this migration closely, since I was on vac
[10:33] <pitti> how are those bugs grouped, is there a mir-review team or so?
[10:33] <pitti> iwj: ^
[10:33] <Mithrandir> there should be, at least
[10:33] <cjwatson> it hasn't been organised yet AFAIK
[10:39] <ion_> Heh, i seem to have missed new universe packages freeze by two weeks.
[10:42] <norsetto> Quickie for the archiver, are binaries builds for new packages automatically added to the archive, or they need manual intervention (since we are past the NPF)?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> they'll still get stuck in binary NEW
[10:43] <Hobbsee> (binaries for new packages, or newly-named binaries from old packages still go thru the NEW queue)
[10:44] <norsetto> Hobbsee: I see! thx.
[10:44] <Hobbsee> which is quicker than source NEW
[10:46] <norsetto> Hobbsee: is there a way actually to remove something from the queue?
[10:46] <StevenK> norsetto: Bug -archive to REJECT it
[10:46] <norsetto> hey -archive! reject it :-)
[10:47] <pitti> norsetto: hi; which packages?
[10:47] <pitti> norsetto: however, binary reject is a bit evil, and we don't do it very often; what's the reason?
[10:47] <norsetto> pitti: he is back! feeling a new man?
[10:47] <pitti> norsetto: you bet! with that ring now chained to my hand... :-P
[10:47] <norsetto> pitti: :-D
[10:48] <norsetto> pitti: its superseeded so just to avoid more work, but I think that removing most probably is more mork that just keep it there
[10:48] <StevenK> pitti: No no, it's a ball and chain, and it's around your ankle. :-P
[10:48] <norsetto> I hate mork ......
[10:50] <pitti> norsetto: sorry, I cannot make much sense from that sentence; which package troubles you?
[10:50] <Hobbsee> pitti: a newer version of the package coming in, so makes no sense to review the current one sitting in the queue, i think
[10:50] <norsetto> its rutilt. There is  0.15-0ubuntu2 in the new binaries queue and will be superseeded by  0.15-0ubuntu3 which is also in the queue
[10:51] <norsetto> Hobbsee: thx for the translation :-)
[10:51] <hunger> It would be nice to be able to uninstall tracker without having to uninstall ubuntu-desktop.
[10:51] <pitti> norsetto: ah, indeed, I see both versions in the queue
[10:51] <pitti> norsetto: don't worry, that's not a problem at all
[10:51] <hunger> Or at least to be able to stop tracker from getting started when logging into KDE.
[10:52] <norsetto> pitti: ok, thx, I'll keep that in mind for the future
[10:53] <StevenK> pitti, Mithrandir: In terms of mobile stuff, I fixed moblin-chat a few days ago for NBS stuff, but it has never passed binary NEW.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> why is tracker a dependancy, not a recommends?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> particularly seeing as it has a habit of eating CPU
[11:03] <mvo_> Hobbsee: on ubuntu-desktop its a recommends
[11:03] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: it doesn't eat CPU
[11:03] <mvo_> heh :)
[11:03] <Amaranth> hey
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: oh, hard disk?
[11:04] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: It can do that, yes
[11:04] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: But apparently the kernel is at fault there
[11:04] <mvo_> it does not need to eat cpu, io is much better :P
[11:05] <Hobbsee> mvo_: that's what i'd thought.  oh well
[11:05] <StevenK> I would lay blame at the IDE chipset and disk drive. :-)
[11:05] <StevenK> Well, some of the blame, anyway.
[11:05] <Amaranth> jamiemcc has put a lot of effort into making tracker run as fast as possible (max out your CPU and IO) but automatically scale down when something else wants to use some CPU and IO
[11:06] <Amaranth> But apparently the IO part is broken due to a problem with the scheduler
[11:06] <Hobbsee> ooh...30mbps connections...
[11:06] <Amaranth> But a clean install of gutsy doesn't have the problem, he was going to try to figure out why
[11:06] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Run out your quota in 15 minutes :)
[11:06] <mvo_> the fact that a clean install is fine, is really interessting
[11:06] <Amaranth> Indeed
[11:07] <Amaranth> I can't think of anything related to IO scheduling that would be different between upgrades and clean installs
[11:16] <jamiemcc> can someone raise the priority of this bug please:
[11:16] <jamiemcc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131094
[11:16] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 131094 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Heavy Disk I/O harms desktop responsiveness" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:18] <cjwatson> doko_: is it OK if I just fix gcc-snapshot bugs in Debian and ignore the Ubuntu bugs until we next sync?
[11:19] <mvo_> jamiemcc: I raised it, but please note that feisty comes with 2.6.20, 2.6.15 was used in dapper .)
[11:20] <jamiemcc> mvo_: thanks - my fiesty has 2.6.15!
[11:20] <mvo_> jamiemcc: that sounds like a bug in the upgrade :/
[11:21] <jamiemcc> mvo_ yeah
[11:35] <doko_> cjwatson: sure, if it's just a single package. we had an archive rebuild over the weekend, so I did want to fix (or file) all known problems
[11:35] <cjwatson> doko_: yeah, groff
[11:36] <cjwatson> (I can merge it if you want, just trying to avoid unnecessary work :-))
[11:55] <mvo_> doko_:  are you ok with me upload ia32-libs? (http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/ia32-libs_2.1ubuntu2.debdiff) ? I just copied libxcomposite1 from build/ to pkgs/ to get it included in the resulting binary
[11:56] <cjwatson> is anyone here using lilo on CCISS RAID devices?
[12:02] <StevenK> Yes, but the install is *ancient*
[12:06] <StevenK> cjwatson: ^
[12:06] <cjwatson> StevenK: what do you pass to raid-extra-boot?
[12:06] <cjwatson> I'm wondering if raid-extra-boot=mbr-only is reasonable for hardware raid the same way it is for software raid (well, at any rate it's what lilo-installer does for /dev/md*)
[12:08] <StevenK> cjwatson: Nothing like mbr greps out of /etc/lilo.conf, but like I said, it's an ancient install.
[12:09] <cjwatson> ok, I think mbr-only means "behave how you used to behave in lilo 21 please"
[12:10] <StevenK> This is 22.2
[12:10] <cjwatson> hmm
[12:10] <cjwatson> any raid-extra-boot at all?
[12:10] <StevenK> cjwatson: Happy to provide the lilo.conf if you like
[12:11] <StevenK> cjwatson: Nope
[12:11] <cjwatson> StevenK: if you could stick it on a pastebin that'd be lovely
[12:12] <StevenK> Pastebin works well, since I have to bounce through three machines to reach it.
[12:13] <StevenK> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37186/
[12:17] <cjwatson> (there's paste.ubuntu.com now, BTW, though I don't think it's really been advertised)
[12:17] <StevenK> I wasn't aware, I shall try and keep it in mind. Thanks.
[12:18] <cjwatson> at your convenience, I'm certainly not trying to stop people using paste.ubuntu-nl.org :-)
[12:19] <Mithrandir> the world clearly has too few pastebins.  Everybody should have their own
[12:20] <norsetto> pitti: about bug 35638: no diff with aa-complain cupsd (kernel logs attached)
[12:20] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 35638 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Printer is not detected properly over USB" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35638
[12:20] <ion_> mithrandir: Its called cat >~/public_html/foo
[12:20] <pitti> norsetto: ok, thanks; so it's not just a bug in the AppArmor profile
[12:20] <StevenK> ion_: That works for me. Not everybody has their own webserver. :-)
[12:21] <norsetto> pitti: don't know, apparmor failed to load profile during upgrade actually
[12:21] <pitti> norsetto: ah, ok; that definitively rules it out
[12:21] <pitti> norsetto: apparmor kernel and userspace are out of sync ATM, and new apparmor FTBFS
[12:21] <pitti> norsetto: (I'll discuss this with mathiaz today)
[12:22] <StevenK> pitti: Thanks for the bug close.
[12:39] <doko_> mvo: please include the sources as well
[12:41] <doko_> pitti: I think it's better to have it off the cd, and maybe out of main. we can reconsider this for hardy
[12:41] <doko_> harty even
[12:43] <StevenK> hardy is right
[12:45] <illovae> hello o/
[12:48] <mvo> doko: the source is already included in srcs/, it seems that for some reason it was just not moved out of the builds/ directory
[12:49] <doko> mvo: ohh, I see. looks ok
[12:50] <mvo> doko: build/ and pkgs/ are both in the source package and contain ~100 packages and some look identical. can/should I clean build/ or something before the upload (I'm not familar with this package)
[12:51] <doko> mvo: ok, I'll build that on ronne
[01:04] <cjwatson> \sh: re bug 103291, if I upload a fix to gutsy shortly, do you think you could test a daily build?
[01:04] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 103291 in lilo-installer "lilo-installer fails on HP (Compaq) SmartArray controllers (/dev/cciss)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103291
[01:04] <cjwatson> I'm not taking quite the same approach as the patch that the bug reporter provided, because that had some bugs
[01:06] <\sh> cjwatson, yepp...i would do it tomorrow then, when I have to install a new hp box from scratch by cd
[01:07] <\sh> cjwatson, using the server edition :)
[01:08] <asac> heno: i marked bug 135727 fix released ... as its on todays bug list I wonder whether I should just remove it?
[01:08] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 135727 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[Gutsy]  ipw3945 unable to connect to WPA-Enterprise Network after Kernel Upgrade" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135727
[01:18] <heno> asac: thanks! I've just marked it fixed on the list. Fixing is also a valid way of working with bugs on bug day :)
[01:20] <asac> heno: right ... was just sure how to mark it as fixed ;)
[01:20] <asac> ah ok green means fixed ;)
[01:27] <\sh> keescook, ping quagga...0.99.7+0.99.8 has a low impact DoS ... do you want to file an UVF for 0.99.9?
[01:29] <\sh> oh well, looks like that quagga needs to be fixed in debian, too...so better to fix repackage 0.99.9
[01:36] <soren> pitti: What could cause apport to not act upon a segfault? trackerd segfaults on my box, but apport doesn't seem to care.
[01:36] <pitti> soren: it crashes here as well
[01:36] <soren> pitti: Does your apport care?
[01:36] <pitti> soren: reasons could be: it crashed several times in a row, at some point it gets ignored to avoid spamming you too hard
[01:37] <pitti> soren: or, at some point you clicked 'ignore crashes for this version'
[01:37] <soren> pitti: I don't have *any* tracker crashes in /var/crash.
[01:37] <soren> How do I check if I've done that?
[01:37] <pitti> soren: hm, that's weird then
[01:37] <pitti> soren: do you have a ~/.apport-ignore.xml?
[01:37] <soren> pitti: Oh, hang on.
[01:38] <soren> pitti: Ah, I'm an idiot. There is a crash there. And old one, though.
[01:38] <soren> pitti: trackerd is not in my ~/.apport-ignore.xml, though.
[01:38] <ion_> ~/.config/apport/ignore.xml would be nicer. :-)
[01:38] <soren> pitti: Does it check if the crash is identical to an old one, perhaps?
[01:39] <StevenK> ion_: Twitch
[01:39] <pitti> ion_: yes, on my list
[01:39] <pitti> soren: it does, yes; and it keeps a counter in the crash report
[01:39] <pitti> soren: it won't report it more than three times
[01:39] <soren> pitti: Clever.
[01:40] <soren> pitti: Ah, I see you already reported it.
[01:40] <pitti> soren: and fixed upstream
[01:41] <soren> pitti: Uh.. That automatic debian bug report thing looks clever.
[01:42] <soren> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440997
[01:42] <Ubotu> Debian bug 440997 in tracker "tracker: getenv() implicitly converted to pointer" [Important,Open]
[01:42] <pitti> cool
[02:47] <hunger> Will you package the VMWare tools? VMWare seems to have released them under GPL/BSD and LGPL.
[02:48] <hunger> See: http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/
[02:49] <pitti> oh, cool
[02:51] <evand> calc: yikes, good luck
[02:52] <hunger> pitti: I'll volunteer to test any open-vm-tools debs somebody comes up with on gutsy;-)
[02:53] <elkbuntu> heh, i think there will be a queue for that
[03:07] <slytherin> Can anyone tell me what is the chance that libtheora 1.0 beta 1 will get an freeze exception provided there is enough justification for that. Consider that it will be released in around 1 week time.
[03:14] <heno> mvo: lots of compiz crash bugs coming in like bug 127213
[03:14] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 127213 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in read()" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127213
[03:14] <asac> siretart: there? got my messages about the TIMEOUT?
[03:14] <mvo> heno: looking
[03:14] <heno> is that a known recent upload?
[03:16] <heno> mvo: erm, sorry the bot in #ubuntu-bugs suggests these are new, but they are clearly not
[03:16] <heno> broken bot wrt LP perhaps?
[03:16] <mvo> heno: poissble, I just came in
[03:17] <mvo> (after a longer lunch break)
[03:22] <ScottK> pitti: eclipse - 3.2.2-3ubuntu2 FTBFS on AMD64.  The error was "debian/control did change, please restart the build" - Would a give-back be sufficient to deal with that do you think?
[03:23] <\sh> pitti, ping...quagger has a DoS and some bugs...would you agree, to fix the version in gutsy, to merge 0.99.8 from debian unstable and fix the DoS (which is there since ages, I think) with cherrypicked patches  from 0.99.9 (which is not in debian)
[03:23] <pitti> ScottK: no, I don't think so; if the package modifies its own debian/control during build, that's a bug that sohuld be fixed
[03:24] <pitti> \sh: that sounds fine, if it goes through the standard freeze exception process (i. e. if it only fixes bugs, no new features)
[03:24] <ScottK> pitti: I'm a bit confused why it did that as it built fine on the other archs.
[03:25] <pitti> ScottK: I can retry it *shrug*
[03:25] <\sh> pitti, we have 0.99.7 and 0.99.8 fixes bugs of .7 and introduces new bugs which are fixed in .9 ... and the DoS is fixed...I would take the DoS fix to patch quagger for our old releases as well
[03:25] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it.  If it fails again, I'll go work on it.
[03:26] <siretart> asac: hi
[03:26] <pitti> ScottK: right, it does modify control on build
[03:26] <pitti> uncompress-stamp: debian/control
[03:26] <siretart> asac: yes, I did. I'll take a look into this.
[03:26] <pitti> debian/control: debian/control.in debian/rules
[03:26] <pitti> ScottK: so I'd rather have this fixed
[03:27] <ScottK> pitti: I'll have a look at it.  Thanks for checking.
[03:27] <pitti> ScottK: please look at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eclipse/eclipse_3.2.2-3ubuntu2.diff.gz
[03:27] <pitti> ScottK: the test is to prevent changing debian/control from underneath the buildd
[03:27] <ScottK> Which certainly makes sense.
[03:27] <pitti> ScottK: apparently the idea is to manually do this before building the source package, and I guess on amd64 the dependencies changed for some reason
[03:28] <pitti> not sure who did that, but if such evilness needs to happen at all, it's better suited in the clean rule
[03:28] <ScottK> OK.  That's in the Debian package.  I'll pass it on and work it out with them.
[03:29] <pitti> ScottK: cheers, thanks
[03:29] <ScottK> What they are trying to do is to accomodate Debian/Ubuntu differences automagically with (clearly) indifferent results so far.
[03:34] <asac> siretart: ok if you have questions let me know
[03:34] <asac> siretart: interestingly enough there are still cases where wpasupplicant doesn't return an error code, but has a garbage reply
[03:34] <asac> siretart: you might see those cases in daemon.log as well
[03:35] <asac> siretart: unsure how to reproduce these (more or less rare) cases
[03:35] <asac> Mithrandir: try to rephrase please ;)
[03:36] <Mithrandir> asac: "NM fails to receive dhcp reply, dhclient works fine".  ipw2200, unencrypted.
[03:36] <asac> Mithrandir: ok ... can you reproduce? ipw2200 is pretty similar to ipw3945 from code pov ... so there might be similar issues
[03:38] <asac> Mithrandir: no dhcp reply ... or does NM refuse to try dhcp at all?
[03:39] <Mithrandir> and now the card refuses to associate at all.  *sigh*.
[03:39] <asac> Mithrandir: ok ... can you enable driver debugging and submit the log?
[03:39] <asac> Mithrandir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager
[03:40] <slytherin> hell core developers. Can anyone tell me what is the chance that libtheora 1.0 beta 1 will get an freeze exception provided there is enough justification for that. Consider that it will be released in around 1 week time.
[03:40] <asac> Mithrandir: there is a paragraph on how to do that for ipw3945 ... ipw2200 should be similar
[03:40] <slytherin> s/hell/hello
[03:40] <Mithrandir> asac: I guess I can, if I manage to get it working at all.
[03:41] <asac> working at all?
[03:41] <asac> as long as the driver is loaded you should be able to capture the driver log
[03:44] <asac> Hobbsee: can you show me syslog?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> asac: it was earlier this afternoon (i've rebooted since then), and doing it manually with dhclient also botched it.  if you still think there's any point...
[03:45] <Hobbsee> as in, i couldnt connect at all.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> should ahve tried on windows, i guess.
[03:46] <Chipzz> asac: btw, did you take a look at the new log I posted (ipw2200 problem)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> it was the same 'no leases available thing' though
[03:46] <asac> Chipzz: bug id?
[03:46] <Chipzz> asac: no bug, we talked about it on irc
[03:47] <Hobbsee> irc is not a substitute for the bugtracker.
[03:47] <asac> Hobbsee: well if dhclient doesn't work it can still be a driver bug
[03:47] <asac> Hobbsee: capturing a syslog with driver logging enabled might help
[03:47] <Hobbsee> asac: that's what i'm wondering.  i'll try it tomorrow
[03:47] <Chipzz> asac: http://chipzz.safehex.be/random_associate
[03:47] <Hobbsee> (and man i'll be pissed if my wifi doesnt work tomorrow)
[03:47] <asac> Hobbsee: take this link with you :) ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager
[03:48] <ScottK> And then be sure to look it up when your wifi isn't working ...
[03:48] <Chipzz> asac: from the log it appears the driver is actually actively looking for an open wireless network to connect to, so it isn't random
[03:48] <Chipzz> asac: it is however unwanted behaviour
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i saved the page :P
[03:48] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Sure, but it was funnier my way.
[03:49] <asac> Chipzz: can you please summarize again what you did when you captured that log?
[03:49] <asac> Chipzz: just loaded driver + setting essid?
[03:49] <Chipzz> asac: jups
[03:50] <Chipzz> asac: I figured out the root cause of why it's doing that though I think
[03:50] <asac> Chipzz: ?
[03:50] <Chipzz> asac: the problem basically is there were too many AP's around here on one channel (channel 11), which caused jamming/poor reception
[03:50] <Hobbsee> ScottK: :)
[03:50] <Chipzz> asac: so the driver can't associate
[03:51] <cjwatson> heno: IIRC ubotu reports a new bug if a new task is created on an existing bug
[03:51] <Chipzz> asac: in which case the driver decides that despite the fact that I did specify an essid, it should still scan for the best possible network (and that's the actual bug)
[03:51] <asac> Chipzz: what value for essid did you set when you captured that log?
[03:51] <Chipzz> asac: "nighty"
[03:52] <heno> cjwatson: ah, ok thanks
[03:52] <Chipzz> asac: which is WEP-secured; but for some reason, looking at the log, it is looking only at non-secured networks
[03:53] <Chipzz> Sep  5 22:48:07 localhost kernel: [268410.992000]  ipw2200: U ipw_best_network Network 'hades (00:18:84:18:a9:52)' excluded because of privacy mismatch: off !
[03:53] <Chipzz> = on.
[03:53] <Chipzz> Sep  5 22:48:07 localhost kernel: [268410.992000]  ipw2200: U ipw_best_network Network 'FON_LNW (00:18:84:18:a9:51)' is a viable match.
[03:53] <Chipzz> Sep  5 22:48:07 localhost kernel: [268410.992000]  ipw2200: U ipw_best_network Network 'chipzz (00:13:10:92:e4:0f)' excluded because of privacy mismatch: off != on.
[03:55] <StevenK> pitti: Have you got a sec?
[03:56] <pitti> StevenK: yes
[03:56] <StevenK> pitti: Would you pushing the Big Red Shiny Button to let boost out of binary NEW? It has built everywhere.
[03:56] <StevenK> Would you mind, even.
[03:57] <pitti> StevenK: can do
[03:57] <StevenK> pitti: The old boost libraries are now marked as NBS, since we jumped from 1.34.0 -> 1.34.1.
[03:58] <StevenK> pitti: I have prepared 32 rebuild-only uploads, I'm in the middle of test building the lot of them.
[03:58] <pitti> StevenK: I'll prod the uploader about doing the transition of the rdepends
[03:58] <pitti> StevenK: ooh, you rock
[03:58] <StevenK> I'm seriously close to killing the test builds, though.
[03:58] <StevenK> % grep 'Build needed' */current | cut -d\  -f3 | sed 's/,//' | ./time-add
[03:58] <StevenK> 09:30:03
[03:58] <pitti> StevenK: didn't geser already test everything?
[03:58] <asac> Chipzz: i don't see any "nighty" in that log
[03:59] <StevenK> pitti: I've already had 3 build failures, so I guess not.
[03:59] <pitti> StevenK: hm, he might only have tested main then, right
[03:59] <StevenK> Which is like one package
[04:00] <pitti> (three or so)
[04:00] <StevenK> Ah
[04:00] <StevenK> Anyway, my current Evil Plan is to wait for these things to finish pedalling, and then uploading everything that built in the morning.
[04:01] <asac> Chipzz: reconnect ...
[04:01] <asac> anything i missed?
[04:02] <Chipzz> asas	     as	no ;)
[04:02] <Chipzz> argh
[04:02] <asac> that looks strange ;)
[04:02] <StevenK> pitti: Why it looks to be nearly everything that links against boost to take close to an hour to build, I'll never know.
[04:02] <Chipzz> asac: no you didn't miss anything ;)
[04:03] <pitti> StevenK: lots and lots of C++ and template processing, etc.?
[04:03] <StevenK> Probably.
[04:03] <Chipzz> asac: that';'s irssi screwing up tabs over a slow connection for some reason
[04:03] <Chipzz> ;)
[04:03] <asac> Chipzz: 15:57 < asac> Chipzz: i don't see any "nighty" in that log ? any idea?
[04:03] <StevenK> C++ and templating makes me cry.
[04:03] <StevenK> Actually, C++ makes me cry
[04:04] <Chipzz> asac: yeah, like I said, the signal frmo that ap is getting jammed due to 4 AP's being on the same channel
[04:04] <asac> anyway ... there should be at least "nighty"in that log ... otherwise the log does not capture the right timeframe
[04:05] <Chipzz> (my guess anyway)
[04:06] <asac> Chipzz: so your problem is gone?
[04:06] <Chipzz> asac: that's exactly the whole problem: poor/no reception for that AP, which causes the driver to associate to something random
[04:07] <Chipzz> which it shouldn't
[04:07] <Chipzz> asac: I fixed the symptoms by switching the AP to some other channel, but there's still a bug in the driver IMO
[04:08] <Chipzz> ie, that the driver associates randomly despite an essid and key being set
[04:08] <asac> Chipzz: welll ... then get the right log to me
[04:08] <asac> Chipzz: it should start right when driver is loaded
[04:08] <Chipzz> asac: that *is* the right log :)
[04:09] <Chipzz> the ap is "out of range"; expected behaviour: fail to associate; behaviour being seen: try to associate to the best open network
[04:09] <asac> at what time did you run iwconfig essid ?
[04:09] <asac> Chipzz: my problem is that i don't see that the essid is set from userspace in that log
[04:09] <Chipzz> asac: that's being ran from ifup
[04:10] <Chipzz> (I suspect)
[04:10] <asac> Chipzz: please don't do that
[04:10] <asac> Stop everything .... just load driver and use iwconfig essid "nighty"
[04:10] <Chipzz> I do modprobe ipw2200, at which point udev (I think?) automatically runs ifup
[04:10] <asac> Chipzz: please post your /e/n/interfaces
[04:12] <asac> Chipzz: please remove that eth1 entry and see if you can reproduce the wrong behaviour by just using iwconfig essid
[04:12] <Chipzz> may be quite hard since the problem is fixed by setting the ap to another channel, but I'll look into it
[04:12] <Chipzz> asac: so you think this is actually a bug in ifup?
[04:13] <Chipzz> I suspect more of a race condition actually
[04:15] <asac> not sure
[04:15] <asac> the log doesn't contain any hint that the essid is actually set
[04:15] <asac> Chipzz: which debug_level did you set?
[04:16] <Chipzz> 65535 iirc
[04:16] <Chipzz> but I may be mistaken
[04:17] <\sh> pitti, keescook : regarding quagga DoS...I'll do as I explained, merging 0.99.8 from debian, fixing the bugs from 0.99.8 with patches from 0.99.9 and filing an UVF Report with explanation
[04:17] <pitti> \sh: thank you
[04:18] <pitti> StevenK: NEWed
[04:18] <asac> Chipzz: plesae be sure it is ... i don't see any debug output for IPW_DEBUG_ASSOC
[04:18] <\sh> pitti, I'll file security bugs for dapper, edgy and feisty as well...and fix at least the DoS
[04:18] <asac> Chipzz: and thats the most important part here
[04:18] <Chipzz> asac: and actually, putting the essid/key in /e/n/i is (was) the only way I could get this wireless to connect properly
[04:18] <pitti> \sh: you rock
[04:18] <Chipzz> though this may be a bug that has been fixed
[04:19] <\sh> pitti, oh and BTW...congrats :)
[04:19] <asac> Chipzz: thats interesting to investigate as well ... do you have some time and can join #ubuntu-mozillateam?
[04:19] <pitti> \sh: *beam*
[04:19] <Nafallo> ehrm... does unattended-upgrades restart quagga itself? ;-)
[04:19] <asac> Chipzz: too much noise for this channel to debug something like this ;)
[04:23] <soren> pitti: Do you think the vmware tools are actually cool enough to work on the packaging?
[04:23] <soren> pitti: I've started at: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shawarma/open-vm-tools/packaging
[04:24] <pitti> soren: as vmware user I can only say "Yes" :)
[04:24] <cjwatson> \sh: OK, I uploaded a fixed lilo-installer, so if you could test tomorrow's daily I'd greatly appreciate it
[04:24] <hunger> soren: If you need somebody to test: Just ping me.
[04:24] <pitti> soren: I usually don't install them for short-lived VMs, but if it's as easy as an apt-get, I'd probably doit
[04:24] <soren> hunger: Will do.
[04:25] <Nafallo> vmware better then xen then?
[04:25] <soren> pitti: Right. There's a checkvm utility we could use somehow to automagically install them if we're running in a vm.
[04:26] <pitti> soren: originally I thought about integration into restricted-manager, but if it's open source now, then this wouldn't fit any more
[04:26] <soren> pitti: No, ironically that makes it less obvious how to integrate it. :)
[04:27] <pitti> soren: well, we can still put it there; after all, VMWare itself is not free :)
[04:27] <\sh> cjwatson, promised :)
[04:27] <pitti> soren: and it provides all the necessary infrastructure for it
[04:28] <soren> pitti: True.
[04:28] <pitti> soren: is checkvm free software? and reasonably small?
[04:28] <cjwatson> \sh: cheers
[04:28] <soren> pitti: stripped, it's at 6k.
[04:28] <pitti> soren: oh, wow; I hoped it was just a 10-line shell script poking in /proc or /sys
[04:28] <soren> pitti: And yes, it's free as in LGPL.
[04:29] <\sh> cjwatson, btw..I'm doing the installation around 7am UTC...when is the daily iso run?
[04:29] <cjwatson> that's too early
[04:30] <soren> pitti: No, it's a tiny bit of assembly code.
[04:30] <pitti> \sh: I can build an extra daily for you tonight
[04:30] <cjwatson> \sh: the cron job *starts* at 6:31 UTC but it might well not be finished by 7:00 (or at any rate I can't guarantee that the mirrors will be up to date)
[04:30] <kleinernik>  in the postrm script, under the purge section, should a config-file-directory be removed by using rm -rf or by using rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty (LP: #32521)
[04:31] <cjwatson> \sh: please check the .list file alongside the image and make sure that it contains lilo-installer 1.22ubuntu2
[04:31] <cjwatson> kleinernik: it depends, there's no one answer I'd consider universally appropriate
[04:31] <\sh> pitti, don't worry :) no need
[04:31] <pitti> \sh: wouldn't be a problem
[04:31] <\sh> cjwatson, ok...if I can manage I delay it abit...or use another machine later tomorrow...
[04:32] <cjwatson> kleinernik: I think it's probably not a good idea to remove files that might have been created by the sysadmin, personally
[04:32] <\sh> we are in the middle of building a new structure, so I have enough machine on sale for testing
[04:32] <Nafallo> \sh: just let pitti build it tonight ;-)
[04:32] <kleinernik> cjwatson: ok, but isn't this the purpose of using purge?
[04:32] <cjwatson> the linked c.o.l.a post does not clarify (and in any case comp.os.linux.advocacy is not an authoritative statement of policy)
[04:32] <cjwatson> kleinernik: purge removes configuration files owned by the package, which is not the same thing
[04:33] <pitti> kleinernik: the purpose is to remove everything the package created itself, but not backups from sysadmins, etc. (or worse, live files)
[04:33] <Nafallo> \sh: so then if the bug isn't solved you can hit cjwatson with it early :-)
[04:33] <cjwatson> kleinernik: or even aside from the sysadmin, consider some other package that installed a file in /etc/gallery but for whatever reason (I don't care) doesn't depend on gallery; purging gallery shouldn't remove that file
[04:33] <kleinernik> cjwatson: oh, ok, thank you. i guess than we can close bug  #32521?
[04:33] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 32521 in gallery "purge doesn't remove all config files" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32521
[04:33] <cjwatson> kleinernik: no
[04:33] <\sh> Nafallo, hehe...well, I think cjwatson and others and even myself are in the same situation as you were when your DC had a breakdown ;)
[04:33] <cjwatson> kleinernik: you're on the wrong track, I think
[04:34] <cjwatson> kleinernik: /etc/gallery/config.php and /etc/gallery/htaccess are created by the gallery package, right?
[04:34] <Nafallo> \sh: not the DC, the fibre between to DCs. no services affected :-P
[04:34] <cjwatson> kleinernik: so forget about rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty vs. rm -rf; those are not the only two choices
[04:34] <Nafallo> two
[04:34] <bddebian> Heya
[04:34] <cjwatson> kleinernik: another viable option is for gallery to explicitly remove just those files it knows it (may have) created
[04:35] <kleinernik> cjwatson: oh, ok than i can add extra lines to remove explicitly the package files
[04:38] <geser> StevenK: which packages didn't build with the new boost?
[04:39] <geser> StevenK: I know that miro needs a small fix (a patch needs to be dropped)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> a whole lot, if boost is up to standard.
[04:41] <geser> StevenK: I've also already prepared the rebuilds (without kde packages) for universe (but didn't test them all) but I'm waiting for the new packages to leave NEW
[04:42] <geser> StevenK: should I care for the rebuilds or will you do it?
[04:42] <StevenK> geser: I'll do it, it's fine.
[04:42] <StevenK> geser: miro, and democracyplayer, amusingly enough
[04:42] <pitti> geser: I NEWed them a while ago, they should be available in about an hour
[04:43] <StevenK> geser: If you do miro, I'll upload everything else in about eight hours.
[04:43] <geser> StevenK: I've a fixed miro
[04:43] <StevenK> geser: Great. Wait an hour and upload it. :-)
[04:44] <geser> does democracyplayer needs fixing or will it be removed soon as it got renamed to miro?
[04:45] <StevenK> geser: I was going to talk to RAOF about that.
[04:45] <geser> StevenK: I see bug #138953 is already fixed
[04:45] <StevenK> geser: So let's leave it for the moment.
[04:45] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 138953 in ubuntu-dev-tools "Wrong Replaces on devscripts" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138953
[04:45] <Skiessi> why tribe 6 cd isn't released?
[04:45] <StevenK> Er yes
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Skiessi: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[04:45] <Hobbsee> er
[04:45] <Hobbsee> http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g
[04:46] <geser> StevenK: is miro the only package FTBFS so far?
[04:48] <StevenK> geser: miro, democracyplayer and something else.
[04:48] <StevenK> Both miro and democracyplayer are due to boost, I suspect the something else ... ah yes, bfilter is due to chroot brain-damage or something, I need to dig.
[04:51] <pitti> hello mathiaz! The man I was waiting for
[04:52] <StevenK> geser: Could I see this patch for miro?
[04:53] <pitti> mathiaz: if you have some minutes today, I'd like to discuss the current apparmor dependency problems?
[04:53] <mathiaz> pitti: hi. I'm just going thourgh your emails about apparmor
[04:54] <pitti> mathiaz: the biggest problem so far is that the source is dep-waiting on latex2html
[04:54] <pitti> mathiaz: but that's multiverse, so promotion to main is not an option
[04:54] <pitti> mathiaz: how was the documentation built in earlier versions?
[04:54] <geser> StevenK: either drop debian/patches/30_libboost_python.patch (which I did) or add _1 to the library name in that patch
[04:54] <pitti> mathiaz: we might need to only ship the HTML docs, or alternatively, use hevea?
[04:54] <mathiaz> pitti: I don't remember right now.
[04:55] <kleinernik> cjwatson: sorry, one more question, should purge remove files, that are not installed when the package is installed, but are created by a script the user calls to setup the program?
[04:55] <cjwatson> kleinernik: maybe. it's a judgement call and depends on the exact circumstances
[04:55] <pitti> kleinernik: IMHO yes, since they are related to the package
[04:55] <StevenK> geser: So noted.
[04:55] <geser> StevenK: it tries to link to the old name (which doesn't exist now) but the new boost packages provide links to the library without the whole suffix so that patch is needed
[04:56] <cjwatson> pitti: but if they might be created by some other package instead then extra care is called for
[04:56] <pitti> right
[04:56] <geser> * isn't needed anymore
[05:01] <kleinernik> cjwatson: in case of gallery, the two file mentioned in the bug report are created by a script configure.sh, which the user has to run as root to setup gallery, therefor i can add a line in postrm to remove them on purge, right?
[05:13] <kleinernik> quit had to go home
[05:15] <\sh> doko, bash bug 76807 .. would you like to fix it with a new upload, or should I attach a debdiff with the fix?
[05:15] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 76807 in bash "/etc/skel/.bashrc sets HISTCONTROL twice in succession." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76807
[05:17] <doko> \sh: need to do another bash upload, yes.
[05:17] <\sh> doko, cool...so dholbach can remove it from the low hanging fruit bug table ,-)
[05:17] <dholbach> I think there was a nother bash patch pending on a bug somewhere
[05:18] <dholbach> \sh: you can remove it and *your* name to it :)
[05:18] <dholbach> bug 103929 also
[05:18] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 103929 in bash "Bash prompt string looks for xterm-color, gnome terminal identifies as xterm" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103929
[05:26] <ogra> SIGH ...
[05:26] <AlinuxOS> pitti, hello ;)
[05:27] <\sh> dholbach, added a comment to the list
[05:27] <dholbach> \sh: gracias
[05:27] <ogra> why is texlive-base generating all this crap in my pbuilder again ? i thought that dep for gome packages was cleaned
[05:28] <ogra> *gnome
[05:28] <pitti> hi AlinuxOS
[05:28] <AlinuxOS> pitti, I'll re-download libwnck and metacity from launchpad and I'll test issue 139139 again.
[05:28] <AlinuxOS> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/139139
[05:28] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 139139 in libwnck "String "Always On _Top" doesn't compare in libwnck for non English languages" [Undecided,Invalid]
[05:29] <ogra> (building gnome-power-manager since 30min and still no go ....watching textex doing stuff :( )
[05:30] <ogra> RAAH ...
[05:30] <geser> pitti: do you know if GPL with a non-commercial clause is "free" enough for multiverse or is it even non-redistributable? see the license for linuxsampler on http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html
[05:30] <pitti> AlinuxOS: hold on, danilo is currently testing a Rosetta import issue; that might be it
[05:31] <geser> pitti: it was removed from Debian because of the licence
[05:31] <pitti> geser: hm; I'm prone to say that it is enough for multiverse, as long as the license is consistent in itself
[05:32] <pitti> geser: I. e. they modified the GPL text hard enough to not contradict the non-commercial clause
[05:33] <cjwatson> dholbach: can you remember to change the name and e-mail address in the changelog trailer when you upload something (ubuntu-dev-tools), so that the proper person is recorded as doing the upload?
[05:34] <pitti> AlinuxOS: ah, it's a missing build dep, I'll fix it
[05:34] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ok, thanks.
[05:34] <cjwatson> ogra: -Werror is a good thing IMO
[05:34] <AlinuxOS> cjwatson, hello ;)
[05:34] <cjwatson> certainly for upstreams that actually pay attention to compiler warnings, where they probably really do indicate a problem
[05:35] <ogra> cjwatson, not if upstream doesnt fix the bugs it causes  :P
[05:36] <ogra> cjwatson, its my constant thing since three releases .... if development starts, upstream enables Werror so g-p-m breaks on sparc and ia64 ... with a warning ... at the end of the dev cycle he disables it again ... he knows the bug with the 64bit arches
[05:37] <ogra> and i wuld expect if there is a configure option --enable-compile-warnings=no .... it would suppress Werror
[05:37] <ogra> but apparently that has no effect at all
[05:38] <cjwatson> the right answer is to contribute patches to fix said compiler warnings (or errors, whichever), not to ignore them indefinitely
[05:38] <cjwatson> surely they are not all that difficult to deal with
[05:39] <ogra> well, i have no clue about sparc and all i was told by sparc people is "just disable Werror"
[05:39] <geser> pitti: from the webpage it looks like an additional clause to me (but I'm not a licencing expert) see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328121#35 which states that it's non-distributable (but I don't know if the author is right)
[05:39] <Ubotu> Debian bug 328121 in linuxsampler "linuxsampler: Inconsistent and non DFSG free license" [Grave,Open]
[05:40] <cjwatson> ogra: IME it is not necessary to have a particular clue about the details of an architecture in order to fix its compiler warnings. We have sparc porting machines you can use for test-builds
[05:42] <ogra> oh, fun
[05:42] <ogra> its not even in g-p-m its a gstreamer bug it seems
[05:42] <ogra> sigh
[05:42] <cjwatson> if you are sure you don't care and want to get rid of that using -Wno-cast-align would be more appropriate than removing -Werror
[05:43] <ogra> ok
[05:43] <cjwatson> though I suspect it's a real bug
[05:44] <ogra> well, it seems very a common message on sparc systems
[05:44] <ogra> according to the google hits i get
[05:46] <pitti> geser: I downloaded http://download.linuxsampler.org/packages/linuxsampler-0.4.0.tar.bz2 and it seems broken to me: it ships with a pristine GPL in COPYING and only mentions the restriction in README
[05:46] <pitti> geser: which makes it an invalid license and thus indistributable IMHO
[05:47] <geser> ok, thanks. I'll add a comment to the package on REVU about it
[05:47] <pitti> geser: ah, it had been removed in feisty
[05:48] <geser> yes, it was in Debian and Ubuntu and was removed because of the license
[05:55] <mathiaz> pitti: I've had a look to use hevea instead of latex2html
[05:55] <mathiaz> pitti: but hevea cannot build the documentation. It fails before the end of the document.
[05:56] <pitti> mathiaz: hm, too bad; so maybe we should only ship the doc as PDF for now
[05:56] <mathiaz> pitti: so I'll remove the html doc and only leave the pdf version of documentation
[05:56] <pitti> mathiaz: did you also see my bug about the missing perl dependencies?
[05:57] <mathiaz> pitti: yes. That's the next thing on my list.
[05:57] <mathiaz> pitti: I don't think there is any workaround - so I'll write the MIR.
[06:00] <pitti> mathiaz: right, that's the correct approach IMHO
[06:28] <calc> evand: i got it packaged (more or less) but it seems OOo isn't using it, will look into it further
[06:28] <calc> evand: but it does work at the command line
[06:28] <dholbach> cjwatson: I'll do that from now on
[06:28] <cjwatson> dholbach: (dch -r does it, FWIW)
[06:29] <dholbach> alright, thanks a lot
[06:29] <evand> calc: that's odd.  Is that a regression?  The version I used (the deb from freespire) worked in OO.o from Feisty
[06:30] <AlinuxOS> cjwatson, hello, I've filed +unified 2 bugs, as you told me some time ago: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian-installer/+bug/94177 but I'm not sure if my bug comment is clear.
[06:30] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 94177 in console-setup "Georgian fonts for Fixed16 & Fixed14" [Undecided,In progress]
[06:31] <wasabi> Hmm. The initramfs uses udevsettle.
[06:31] <wasabi> I wonder if there is no longer a need for that.
[06:33] <wasabi> Hmm. Actualy it doesn't seem to use it anymore. Take that back.
[06:34] <wasabi> in other news, 2.6.22-11 does not detect my sound card. =/
[06:36] <ogra> wasabi, disabling udevsettle doubles the speed my thin client boots
[06:36] <wasabi> Yeah, it looks like it's only enabled in the nfs boot now.
[06:37] <ogra> might be to make sure the interface is *really* there
[06:37] <ogra> but i dont see any probs here with dropping it
[06:37] <wasabi> I wouldn't be comfortable with taking a position on NFS. I have no machines that test that.
[06:37] <ogra> especially on very slow clients its a bump in bootspeed (200MHz 64M)
[06:38] <wasabi> I'd imagine it would be possible to detect that the network is properly up in a way other than waiting for udev, though.
[06:38] <ogra> boots +20sec with udevsettle
[06:38] <wasabi> Actually, I'd imagine NFS would just block until it was up. ;0
[06:38] <ogra> it retries the mount
[06:39] <ogra> but i guess it will break if no device is there
[06:39] <ogra> but to be honest i disabled udevsettle generally over here since gutsy started and havent seen any bugs related yet
[06:39] <ogra> so i suspect we could just drop it there as well
[06:40] <calc> evand: hmm i'll have to take a look and see if the freespire debs work better than mine
[06:40] <ogra> wasabi, even though i'd like to hear from Keybuk about that before we break stuff that might have an intention
[06:40] <calc> evand: OOo may be defaulting to using internal docx filter instead of the odf-converter one
[06:40] <hunger> soren: open-vm-tools build and install fine for me. Kernel modules are missing, but I assume you know that;-)
[06:40] <Keybuk> ogra: about what?
[06:41] <ogra> Keybuk, the only script in initramfs that uses udevsettle is the nfs script, wasabi amd me were wondering if we could drop it ...
[06:41] <Keybuk> it probably doesn't do anything
[06:41] <ogra> not having it seems to have no bad sideeffects for me
[06:41] <Keybuk> udevsettle doesn't do anything useful
[06:41] <ogra> it delays the boot
[06:42] <evand> calc: you mean in your tests?  I know it was using the odf-converter one for me as it said loading external plugin or something to that extent and took longer-than-usual to convert
[06:42] <Keybuk> iiiiiish
[06:42] <Nafallo> hmm. not the same odf...
[06:43] <ogra> Keybuk, last two lines of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs-top/udev
[06:43] <ogra> # We need to wait for the network card drivers to be loaded
[06:43] <ogra> /sbin/udevsettle
[06:43] <ogra> if i drop that is seems to do no harm
[06:43] <mathiaz> pitti: I've written the first MIR for librpc-xml-perl and added to the MIR queue.
[06:44] <Keybuk> hmm
[06:44] <Keybuk> interesting point
[06:44] <Keybuk> the nfsmount script has a loop in it now
[06:44] <Keybuk> so that's not necessary
[06:44] <ogra> right
[06:44] <Keybuk> it'll just keep tryinging the ipconfig and nfsmount until it works
[06:44] <ogra> right, so you think we can drop it ?
[06:44] <Keybuk> yeah
[06:45] <ogra> good, i'll do some more stresstesting and make sure i didnt lie ... and then fix it :)
[06:48] <hunger> I read that there is a vmware mouse driver for xorg... is that available in ubuntu?
[06:48] <EvanCarroll> I'm not sure if anyone else has reported this, or if this bug was introduced in today's patch, but if you mistype a cmd the usual catcher that refs the corresponding apt package is broke.
[06:48] <EvanCarroll> using gutsy of course
[06:56] <EvanCarroll> GDOME has a review that is no longer supported and only works with one version of GDOME, and how XML::LibXML defers you to GDOME for an OO interface to DOM Building
[06:56] <EvanCarroll> m/t
[07:07] <Leftmost> Is it possible to get only the Ubuntu patchset for a package? I.e. if I wanted to look specifically at the changes between a base package and the Ubuntu version, how would I go about that?
[07:08] <soren> Leftmost: "apt-get source packagename" and then look at the .diff.gz you get.
[07:08] <Leftmost> Ahh, alright. Thanks.
[07:09] <ogra> well, rather make a debdiff between the debian and ubuntu source packages :)
[07:10] <Leftmost> Hmm. Out of curiosity, does anyone know where changes have been made that allow networkmanager and madwifi to cooperate? The upstream versions of the packages don't cooperate at all.
[07:14] <AlinuxOS> asac__, hello
[07:25] <mathiaz> keescook: are you working on some apparmor bugs ?
[07:25] <asac> AlinuxOS: hey
[07:39] <AlinuxOS> asac, hello, how's going https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox-locale-all/+bug/88677 bug fixing ?
[07:39] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 88677 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "Georgian Language support." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:49] <asac> AlinuxOS: bug updated.
[07:50] <AlinuxOS> asac, thanks... if there is some problems...I'll ping you. ok?
[07:51] <asac> AlinuxOS: sure... its properly targetted ... so my workflow should catch it.
[07:51] <AlinuxOS> asac, thank you!
[08:37] <wasabi> So does apport provide anyway to submit kernel dumps? :)
[08:43] <emdash_> i'm working on a free software project (www.pitivi.org) which depends on the latest gstreamer. we'd like to make packages of this software available to users running feisty. what would be the best way of going about this? are there maintainers who would be willing to handle building packages? are there repositories on which we could host the packages?
[08:45] <Amaranth> emdash_: Sounds like you want the PPA system
[08:46] <Amaranth> emdash_: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[08:46] <emdash_> thank you
[08:49] <emdash_> i'll look into that
[08:49] <emdash_> looks like i need to do some homework first
[08:56] <torkel> emdash_: pitivi is already available in feisty, 0.10.2 though
[08:57] <emdash_> we are entering a 0.11.x unstable release period
[08:57] <emdash_> also 10.2 has no features
[08:59] <emdash_> we'd like to make periodic development releases so that people can try pitivi
[08:59] <emdash_> and so that when people complain that it doesn't do anything we can point to the package repository and say "install this version"
[09:20] <emdash_> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
[09:20] <emdash_> oops
[09:20] <emdash_> ignore that
[09:43] <keescook> is linux-image-2.6.22-11-xen supposed to exist for amd64 or does it FTBFS which is why it's i386 only?
[09:47] <zul> keescook: no it didnt get added in the last upload, hopefully the one coming up
[09:49] <keescook> zul: okay, but it's meant to work?
[09:49] <zul> yep a couple of users are using it right now afaik
[09:49] <keescook> cool; I had a friend ask about it and figured I'd ask.  :)
[09:54] <superm1_> zul, are you expecting the unionfs mess to be sorted in the upcoming upload, or is that later?
[09:54] <zul> superm1_: no idea
[09:54] <superm1_> k
[10:30] <jwendell> Hi, ScottK
[10:30] <ScottK> Hello.
[10:30] <jwendell> ScottK, please, consider to ship vinagre in gutsy, i really like to have users testing it...
[10:30] <ScottK> jwendell: For that you can use PPA.
[10:31] <ScottK> I understand what you want, but there is limited time for the archive admins that have to review all new packages.
[10:31] <ScottK> There are 5 people on motu-uvf.  You need to convince 2, so maybe half the others will agree with you.
[10:48] <Ng> anyone seeing segfaults from network manager (or maybe wpa supplicant, I'm not sure) recently?
[11:12] <mneptok> Ng: i've been seeing NM prevent shutdown
[11:12] <mneptok> but ...  Audio driver ceased working in 2.6.22-11
[11:35] <Amaranth> wasabi: got linux-ubuntu-modules?
[11:36] <wasabi> linux-restricted you mean?
[11:36] <Amaranth> no
[11:36] <wasabi> Oh I see. Hmm. No I didn't.
[11:36] <Amaranth> the hda-intel driver moved there
[11:36] <wasabi> Ahh. Why?
[11:36] <wasabi> And why wasn't this installed by default? :)
[11:36] <Amaranth> it is installed by default if you have the linux-generic metapackage
[11:36] <wasabi> No metapackage that I can see.
[11:37] <wasabi> Oh. Hmm.
[11:37] <Amaranth> and it moved there because we got a version from alsa directly
[11:37] <wasabi> Hmm. These driver packages should kick off udev to reprobe. :0
[11:38] <wasabi> Thanks. That did it.
[12:05] <Lure> what does "failed to upload" build failure mean? How can we fix it?
[12:05] <Lure> example: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu1/+build/386972
[12:05] <Lure> same for lpia
[12:06] <Lure> doko: gcc crashed on sparc when building kdepim: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu1/+build/386977
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Lure: It means that Soyuz broke, and you should poke one of the Soyuz guys.
[12:25] <Lure> Fujitsu: who are soyuz guys?
[12:25] <Fujitsu> cprov: ^^
[12:25] <Lure> Fujitsu: thanks a lot!
[12:26] <Fujitsu> np