[10:51] <ikt> jared: why is it sad to have all your computers output through a single speaker set
[10:52] <ikt> i wish I could do that, but I have 2 pairs of headphones and 1 set of speakers, so I have to switch around a lot
[12:01] <jared> ikt: the sad part is using a professional mixer to do it ;)
[12:01] <jared> ikt: also, the mixing desk has a headphones out with independent volume control
[12:03] <jared> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/1202.aspx work well
[12:12] <jared> Oh and to complete the package, you need a stereo to dual mono plugs = http://www.audiosource.com.au/315-m-mm-Stereo--Dual-mm-Mono-Patch-Cable.html
[12:12] <jared> Once you have those cables, that deck, you can pretty much do anything with a bunch of computers.
[17:41] <ikt> jared: that's pretty awesome
[17:44] <ikt> speaking of which
[17:44] <ikt> any ideas on a short neutral domain name?
[17:44] <ikt> for a discourse forum
[17:44] <ikt> i had one called 'discourseit.com'
[17:44] <ikt> Creation Date: 2013-07-27 13:47:00Z
[17:44] <ikt> so it was registered in july >.<
[17:44] <ikt> and it loads up a nginx home page
[17:44] <ikt> looks like someone had the idea as well


[12:11] <nixternal> i selected both of them, not knowing which one was the issue
[12:11] <nixternal> the baltix i don't get
[12:11] <fdoving> baltix?
[12:12] <fdoving> that's another distribution.
[12:12] <fdoving> if you don't mind i'll change kde-systemsettings (ubuntu) to kde-guidance (ubuntu)
[12:12] <nixternal> go for it ;)
[12:16] <fdoving> confirmed.
[12:22] <nixternal> good deal
[12:23] <crimsun> (reject the baltix task if you need to)
[12:25] <fdoving> done.
[12:26] <_Sime> which version(s) of pythn are installed?
[12:26] <nixternal> well well well, if it isn't good ol' mr. crimsun himself ;)
[12:26] <_Sime> which is the default python?
[12:26] <nixternal> 2.4.3
[12:28] <fdoving> 2.4.3 here too.
[12:30] <_Sime> works here.
[12:30] <_Sime> my edgy is up to date too.
[12:32] <nixternal> imbrandon: why do you have daffy duck for a drake? ;)
[12:33] <imbrandon> dapper drake, and its darkwing duck ;)
[12:33] <nixternal> ahh, looks like daffy to me ;)
[12:33] <imbrandon> a "dapper" ( dressed up nice" duck ;0
[12:33] <nixternal> dapper dan ;)
[12:38] <nixternal> heh, i googled "drake" to find you a handsome mallard, but instead the first to pictures were boobs
[12:38] <nixternal> s/to/two
[12:41] <fdoving> you were lucky then :)
[12:42] <nixternal> hehe, so it looks
[12:46] <fdoving> well.. i have to go get some sleep.
[12:46] <fdoving> nite.
[12:46] <nixternal> g'nite, thanks for the help earlier!
[12:47] <fdoving> my pleasure, nite.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:37] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato :)
[03:38] <Jucato> what's up? :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i'm trying to make our phone work
[03:41] <Jucato> phone at home? or at work?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> home
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ah, got it :)
[03:42] <Jucato> oh
[04:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: from where does Ubuntu get it's Firefox? from Debian or directly from Mozilla?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pass.
[04:53] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:54] <Jucato> Might be interested to read this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 about Debian packaging a modified Firefox (not using the logo) yet using the Firefox name, just like us
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 354622 in firefox "Using Firefox as the app name without official branding is still" [Serious,Open]
[04:54] <Jucato> lol... didn't know Ubugtu also displayed Debian bugs :)
[04:55] <Jucato> heh
[04:56] <Jucato> but isn't Firefox the browser you use? :P
[11:37] <kwwii> moin
[11:38] <Jucato> hi kwwii! :)
[11:38] <seaLne> kwwii: you in dublin?
[11:38] <kwwii> seaLne: yepp
[11:38] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[11:38] <Jucato> how are things there?
[11:40] <seaLne> kwwii: ah when did you arive?
[11:40] <kwwii> seaLne: really late saturday evening
[11:41] <Jucato> did you get there in time for the pizzas?
[11:41] <seaLne> ah never saw you yesterday
[11:44] <kwwii> Jucato: I missed the pizzas
[11:44] <Jucato> aw... :(
[11:44] <kwwii> (which, from what I heard, is good)
[11:44] <kwwii> the pizza was not apparently very tasty
[11:45] <Jucato> "Best pizza is probably the Mexican Spicy, followed by Chicken BBQ." - Adriaan de Groot
[11:45] <Jucato> I've been craving for pizzas the moment I read those blogs...
[11:46] <kwwii> oh, yeah, chicken bbq and mexican pizza, that sounds italian
[11:49] <seaLne> hehe
[11:58] <Tonio__> yop
[11:58] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[12:04] <Jucato> Tonio_, will Ubuntu be affected by the recent Debian-Firefox issue?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: which one ?
[12:05] <Tonio_> I don't use firefox so.... :)
[12:05] <Jucato> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 354622 in firefox "Using Firefox as the app name without official branding is still" [Serious,Open]
[12:05] <Jucato> ah. I was just thinking, since we're almost doing the same thing as Debian (Firefox name, but not the Firefox logo)
[12:07] <Tonio_> hum, yes that's possible
[12:08] <Jucato> Tonio_: btw, what browser do you use?
[12:11] <Tonio_> konqueror :)
[12:11] <Tonio_> hum, yes that's a complicated issue.
[12:11] <Jucato> nice!! (glad I'm not the only konqi fan around :P)
[12:11] <Tonio_> in a certain way, firefox is a common name, an animal.
[12:12] <Tonio_> I think the trademark is "mozilla firefox"
[12:12] <Tonio_> but well debian had the autorization to use firefox trademark
[12:13] <Jucato> but then there was a change of management/policy, so now what was approved before isn't ok anymore?
[12:13] <Tonio_> and I don't think the mozilla foundation would say anything against ubuntu, since the usage of firefox by default on ubuntu is important for them, as it is for ubuntu
[12:13] <kwwii> heh?
[12:13] <Tonio_> hi kwwii
[12:13] <kwwii> why in the hell should we have to use the firefox logo? is it law?
[12:13] <kwwii> Howdy Tonio_
[12:14] <kwwii> that is silliness, if you ask me
[12:14] <Jucato> well, it seems like they're trying to do that. If you use the Firefox name, you have to use the entire trademark package, including the logo
[12:14] <kwwii> boah, then fsck them
[12:14] <kwwii> that is stupidity
[12:15] <Jucato> "In skimming the ubuntu version of the Debian patchset, I'm not
[12:15] <Jucato> sure I'm comfortable with some of the changes shipping with official branding, but this isn't the right place to discuss that.
[12:15] <kwwii> so, we have to include a logo that does not fit with our icon style, great
[12:15] <kwwii> that will become very noticeable in oxygen
[12:16] <Jucato> btw, that quote was from the MozCo guy...
[12:16] <Jucato> about Ubuntu's version
[12:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes I can see the issue at the bottom
[12:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: in fact mozilla seem to consider that if you wanna change the sources somehow you have the change the name......
[12:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: stupid opinion in my view with an open source software
[12:17] <Jucato> or go through the eye of a needle to get those patches/changes approved..
[12:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: I don't give a shit on this....... we have done by far deeper changes in konqueror, and nobody minds.......
[12:18] <Tonio_> Jucato: mozilla doesn't seem to understand what "distro implementation" means...
[12:18] <Jucato> yeah... MozCo is unbelievable...
[12:19] <Jucato> heh... glad we ship Konqi by default in Kubuntu :P
[12:20] <Tonio_> yes
[12:22] <Jucato> :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> let's talk about good things :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> I don't mind mozilla since I consider firefox is a "failure" :)
[12:23] <Jucato> hah!
[12:24] <Tonio_> yes, read at what was annouced when firebird was annouced...
[12:24] <Tonio_> "a fast, lightweight and simple browser based on mozilla"
[12:24] <Tonio_> what is firefox today ? the exact oposite...
[12:24] <Tonio_> that's what I call a failure :)
[12:24] <Jucato> "lightweight"? maybe firebird was... but firefox? :P
[12:25] <Tonio_> firefox is slow, heavy and hard to configure (about:config is a pain)
[12:25] <Tonio_> it has become incredibly powerfull, complicated and heavy
[12:25] <Jucato> about:config reminds me so much of gconf-editor (sorry) :P
[12:26] <Tonio_> yes, that's why I don't use gnome :)
[12:26] <Tonio_> that's a failure in their roadmap in my opinion
[12:26] <Tonio_> but if people are comfortable with firefox, cool for them.... but that's it for me
[12:31] <Jucato> hm... talk about good things... pizza at the akademy... :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe
[12:36] <_Sime> Tonio_: hi
[12:36] <_Sime> Riddell: hi
[12:36] <Jucato> hi _Sime! :)
[12:36] <_Sime> Tonio_: new kio patch is on the wiki. Fixes a couple of problems.
[12:37] <_Sime> Jucato: hi
[12:37] <Tonio_> _Sime: great ;)
[12:37] <_Sime> those fixes will make Riddell happy too. ;-)
[12:37] <Tonio_> _Sime: building and uploading
[12:37] <_Sime> thanks man
[12:38] <Tonio_> _Sime: does it fix the audiocd:/ blank content issue ? ;)
[12:38] <_Sime> Tonio_: no, the other problems were more serious.
[12:38] <_Sime> Tonio_:   --> TODO
[12:41] <Tonio_> _Sime: hehe okay ;)
[12:44] <Riddell> _Sime: you rock!
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you handle?  I can't upload anything
[12:45] <Tonio_> hehe, hi Riddell
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I'm already building
[12:45] <_Sime> you don't have to tell; I was there. :)
[12:45] <_Sime> ^ me
[12:46] <_Sime> I think that fixes the worst of the problems now.
[12:46] <Jucato> Riddell rocks, Tonio_ rocks, _Sime rocks, imbrandon rocks... so many rocks... :P
[12:47] <_Sime> yes it is very Flinstones around here.
[12:47] <Jucato> heh
[12:48] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:48] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's probably because kde rocks ;)
[12:48] <Jucato> no wonder why Kubuntu rocks!
[12:48] <Jucato> right on! :P
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: new langpacks are there, I will tell you about translation (broken or not)
[12:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: works for me
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, yes but what other language than english do you use ? :)
[12:56] <Jucato> :P
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've been french all week
[12:59] <Riddell> Parametres du System
[01:00] <Riddell> les Fiches
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, okay :)
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: and concerning the menus in applications, everything is in french ?
[01:02] <Tonio_> I though we had to wait for new langpcks to be out to see the change.
[01:02] <Riddell> oui
[01:02] <Riddell> yes, new packs should be in no?
[01:03] <seaLne> langpacks wouldn't upgrade for me this morning
[01:03] <Tonio_> hum yes but they don't install here... probably a dependancy issue, I'm checking
[01:03] <Tonio_> seaLne: same here :)
[01:03] <Tonio_> seaLne: I assume one dependancy hasn't built
[01:03] <seaLne> i hate ruby!!!!! autohell grr
[01:08] <Tonio_> seaLne: we just have to wait since langpacks are not fully built afaiks
[01:10] <seaLne> k
[01:43] <GNUro> hi
[02:48] <Tonio_> hi el
[02:49] <el> hey Tonio_ :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> :)
[02:49] <el> coffeee!!
[02:49] <Tonio_> el: hehe
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hey el, Tonio_
[02:56] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!!
[02:56] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[02:57] <Jucato> thanks! :)
[02:58] <Jucato> ooh... your tea is dangerous Hobbsee.. it made el quit leave :P
[02:58] <jsgotangco> el was here?
[02:58] <jsgotangco> ohh
[02:58] <Jucato> oh there she is :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:58] <Jucato> wb el :)
[03:00] <jdong> how ironic.... compiz/Xgl is making my video playback go faster
[03:00] <Jucato> heh
[03:00] <jdong> xv is broken in xorg 7.1 with fglrx
[03:00] <jdong> so obvious solution: Xgl xv pbuffer acceleration!
[03:00] <jdong> hehe
[03:05] <Lathiat> heh
[03:43] <seaLne> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3243
[03:44] <seaLne> anyone else fancy looking at qtruby4 package?
[03:50] <Lathiat> why 'libqt0...'
[03:50] <Lathiat> ah qt3 ones are like that anyway
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  i wonder if we were planning to update kaffeine at all
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[03:58] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:58] <seaLne> nah that would be usefull
[03:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:59] <Jucato> I really pity the ndiswrapper users who are caught in a catch-22 situation because it's not there...
[03:59] <Jucato> but I'm no security expert, so...
[03:59] <jdong__> Jucato: what's this about?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ndiswrapper is on the cd.
[03:59] <jdong__> it is?
[04:00] <jdong__> that'd be nice
[04:00] <Jucato> er... was it ndiswrapper or something else that needs compiling?
[04:00] <jdong__> Jucato: if you want the latest ndiswrapper, you need to  compile
[04:00] <jdong__> and a lot of times running the latest SVN build does increase success
[04:00] <Jucato> ah (btw, not me. but lots of other users)
[04:01] <jdong__> i've got two cards that work better with ndiswrapper
[04:01] <jdong__> well, one of them only works with ndiswrapper
[04:01] <jdong__> the other one has REALLY sucky native drivers
[04:01] <Jucato> their catch-22: they need to compile in order to make the drivers work to connect to the internet, but they need an internet connection to be able to download build-essential...
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ndiswrapper-utils never needs compiling
[04:03] <Hobbsee> i've never been able to get it to work, modprobe always fails, but technically it works
[04:03] <jdong__> Jucato: are we no longer shipping the compiler / kernel headers?
[04:03] <Jucato> or should that be "theoretically" it works?
[04:03] <jdong__> i thought Edgy does that now
[04:04] <Jucato> jdong__: heh we ship the kernel headers, but not the compiler, last I checked
[04:04] <jdong__> and no, you don't need to compile anything to get ubuntu's ndiswrapper working
[04:04] <jdong__> Jucato: hehe, that seems kind of pointless :)
[04:04] <jdong__> just in case you wanted to leisurely browse through the kernel headers :P
[04:04] <Jucato> what's even more pointless is that 686 headers were installed by default, even if a generic image was the one installed :P (don't know if it was fixed, though)
[04:05] <Jucato> that was Knot 3
[04:05] <jdong__> lol
[04:05] <jdong__> is ther ea such thing as 686 headers anymore?
[04:06] <Jucato> !linux-headers-686 edgy
[04:06] <ubotu> linux-headers-686: Obsoleted by: linux-headers-generic. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[04:06] <Hobbsee> i believe it's a metapackage
[04:06] <jdong__> Depends: linux-headers-generic
[04:06] <jdong__> it's generic alright
[04:06] <Jucato> it was probably fixed. but when I installed Knot 3, it didn't install linux-headers-generic
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[05:51] <jdong|laptop> hmm, kaffeine can't stream from fish://?
[05:53] <Riddell> kioslaves don't stream
[05:53] <Jucato> ooh hi Riddell!
[05:56] <jdong|laptop> Riddell: then how come I can directly open smb:// media?
[05:57] <jdong|laptop> but trying to do the same with fish:// transport, kaffeine insists on copying the whole file locally, then playing
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> anyone have a solution for the flash-problem in Konqueror?!
[06:05] <Jucato> which flash problem?
[06:06] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: this one: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8802.0
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> proberly the firefox-crash has something to with flash showing grey in konqueror and opera
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> in firefox I cab solve this in adding export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 in /usr/bin/firefox
[06:09] <Jucato> ah.. thought it was a Dapper issue...
[06:09] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: no edgy
[06:09] <jeroenvrp> dapper never has this problem
[06:11] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: OK, I temporaly solved the konqueror problem
[06:11] <jeroenvrp> I did a export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 on the commandline
[06:12] <jeroenvrp> and started konqueror from the command line afterwards
[07:15] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: see my post http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8802.msg37444#msg37444 - there is the solution
[07:15] <jeroenvrp> the problem is that composite in xorg is enabled by default and that will cause problems for some users, incl me
[07:16] <jdong> ah, composite, that explains it
[07:16] <Jucato> ah yes
[07:16] <jdong> that's why my fglrx  box doesn't crash but my nvidia box does
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> jdong: yes it must be driver related
[08:17] <Tonio_> _Sime: I DID IT !!!!!!!!
[08:17] <Tonio_> haha
[08:20] <Tonio_> _Sime: I have grouped the three icons for viewmode :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:24] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/capture12.png
[08:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume that's the way you wanted it right ?
[08:25] <Hawkwind> 404 error
[08:30] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture12.png
[08:30] <Tonio_> Hawkwind: sorry ;)
[08:39] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[08:40] <toma> Tonio_: 10 minutes?
[08:40] <Tonio_> toma: sure ;)
[08:40] <Tonio_> just to tell you I finally found the way to group the "view" icons :)
[08:49] <fdoving> bug 62223
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62223
[08:56] <fdoving> bug 33259
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33259 in kde-guidance "The module Display could not be loaded" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33259
[08:56] <fdoving> looks like atleast one dapper 6.06.1 users still experience this problem.
[08:57] <Hawkwind> I can confirm that here too actually
[08:57] <Hawkwind> I just discovered it yesterday that when I click on display systemsettings crashes completely
[08:57] <fdoving> please re-open the bug, and add your comments :)
[08:58] <fdoving> i can't confirm as i don't have any dapper machines with X..
[08:58] <toma> Tonio_: cool!
[08:59] <Tonio_> toma: just by playing with desktop files.... no source patch needed
[08:59] <toma> wow
[09:00] <_Sime> Tonio_: cool, I would like to see those icons fixed,
[09:00] <toma> Tonio_: amazing....
[09:00] <Tonio_> _Sime: I have prepared kdebase and kds packages, but uploads now needs approval, due to beta freeze......
[09:00] <fdoving> _Sime: any clue about bug 33259 ? is it the same as 62223 ?
[09:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33259 in kde-guidance "The module Display could not be loaded" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33259
[09:01] <_Sime> Tonio_: ok,
[09:01] <Tonio_> _Sime: same for your V6 kio patch...... not approved at the moment, I have to ping Mithrandir
[09:02] <_Sime> Tonio_: oh, you have packages for your icon fix and my v6 patch.
[09:10] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes, v6 is in package version 27 and I have a pending 28 that'll have to wait a bit :)
[09:12] <Tonio_> _Sime: I'm currently pinging mithrandir to approve kdebase with your patch
[09:12] <Tonio_> _Sime: concerning my work on icons, it is not bugfix, so there is no emergency
[09:50] <GNUro> sera
[09:51] <GNUro> hi
[09:57] <Tonio_> yo
[10:13] <imbrandon> moins
[10:14] <rouzic> Hi imbrandon
[10:14] <imbrandon> ello
[10:19] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon
[10:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon:  http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture12.png
[10:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I finally did it ;)
[10:19] <imbrandon> nice
[10:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so don't upload kds since I have a package to upload after the freeze :)
[10:19] <rouzic> Tonio_: This is a beta?
[10:20] <imbrandon> heh i'll try not to ;)
[10:20] <Tonio_> rouzic: net released cd will be beta yes
[10:20] <rouzic> wow
[10:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we really need this in universe http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3205
[10:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: any moment to revu ? the package is about the perfection
[10:21] <rouzic> why no use the Plastik theme?
[10:22] <marseillai> Tonio_: c'est quoi l'icone sous knetworkmanager ?
[10:22] <imbrandon> what?
[10:23] <imbrandon> Tonio_: sure i'll revu and upload it here in a few minutes
[10:23] <imbrandon> rouzic: what are you talking about ?
[10:23] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[10:24] <marseillai> ah oki powermanager
[10:24] <Tonio_> marseillai: de quoi tu parles ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> ah vi :)
[10:24] <marseillai> et le cadenas ?
[10:24] <marseillai> jamais vue lui
[10:24] <Tonio_> kgpg ?
[10:24] <marseillai> ah oki ...
[10:24] <marseillai> pas l'utilit
[10:24] <Tonio_> bah ca sert toujours :)
[10:24] <Tonio_> cec i dit j'en ai chi mais on va enfin avoir une icone pour switcher de vue :)
[10:24] <marseillai> mouais ... g que ma cl ssh
[10:25] <Tonio_> mais comment ca a t galre de grouper les modes
[10:25] <marseillai> mchant!!!!!
[10:25] <Tonio_> de quoi mechant ?
[10:25] <marseillai> pouvoir switcher de vue
[10:25] <marseillai> et on va pouvoir associer une vue a un dossier? ca marchait plus ca.
[10:26] <Tonio_> hum, je sais pas comment on fait ca
[10:26] <Tonio_> mais y a pas de raison que ca marche pas
[10:26] <Tonio_> en tous les cas mon patch n'est pas li a ca
[10:26] <marseillai> ca marchait plus dans dapper
[10:26] <marseillai> oki
[10:26] <Tonio_> il touche pas le code
[10:26] <Tonio_> bah faut essayer dans edgy
[10:26] <Tonio_> je crois que ca a t rsolu avec 3.5.4 mais j'en suis pas certain
[10:26] <marseillai> je passerais mon fixe sous peu! le laptop g pas envie
[10:27] <marseillai> le powermanager me dplait
[10:27] <Mez> !fr
[10:27] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:28] <Tonio_> bah il marche bien
[10:28] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe, you're right, but as it doesn't discuss a lot here........ ;)
[10:28] <imbrandon> Tonio_: there is no orig.tar.gz there
[10:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hu ?
[10:29] <imbrandon> i went to go run revu-tools on it and noticed no orig.tar.gz only a diff.gz
[10:29] <imbrandon> heya Mez
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez: any feedback concerning katapult and amarok ? did you finally understood the point, since it always worked here...
[10:30] <Mez> Tonio_ I'm just working on a fix... it's a lil bit of a PITA but I'm half way there
[10:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what the hell happened.......
[10:30] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe okay :)
[10:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the orig was there, I built it
[10:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay I'm reuploading
[10:30] <imbrandon> ok
[10:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ust reuploaded with the orig, let's see what happens......
[10:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there is something going wrong on revu with this package, raphink already had to nuke an upload.....
[10:57] <raphink> what package?
[10:58] <Tonio_> raphink: transkode
[10:58] <Tonio_> raphink: orig dissapeared on revu.....
[10:58] <Tonio_> raphink: I just reuploaded, let's see what happens
[10:58] <raphink> ok
[11:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3249
[11:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you can revu this time
[11:09] <imbrandon> Tonio_: cool ok
[11:26] <DaSkreech> Anyone happen to know how to apt-get remove Xubuntu?
[11:27] <toma> apt-get remove xubuntu
[11:28] <DaSkreech> There is no xubuntu :-P
[11:28] <toma> xubuntu-desktop?
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Meta package
[11:28] <toma> so what do you want to do then?
[11:30] <DaSkreech> I thought an aptitude remove gtk* might work
[11:57] <jdong> DaSkreech: removing gtk is kind of painful and deep :)
[11:57] <jdong> DaSkreech: but zapping gtk libs will nuke xubuntu pretty well
[11:57] <jdong> DaSkreech: the best way is to dig through your /var/log/dpkg.log, try to locate the session where xubuntu-desktop was installed
[11:58] <jdong> awk or cut out the names of the installed packages
[11:58] <jdong> pipe it to xargs and apt-get remove -yy --force-yes :)
[11:58] <jdong> but do be careful
[12:05] <GNUro> jdong: you use rt2570 module?


[10:24] <fschulte> hi, are here the people from the ISD team?
[15:00] <newz2000> fschulte: I can relay a message to ISD if you need, but none here atm.
[15:22] <fschulte> newz2000: The point is, that I would like to work with you! :)
[15:23] <fschulte> newz2000: On May 3rd, I've sent my application for the ISD team to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but haven't received a response yet.
[15:23] <newz2000> ah, I see
[15:23] <newz2000> can you remind me what the job was?
[15:24] <fschulte> newz2000: It was the Web Developer ISD
[15:24] <fschulte> newz2000: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_WEBIS/
[15:24] <newz2000> ok, I'll poke around to see what's happenign with that
[15:24] <fschulte> newz2000: That would be nice.
[15:25] <fschulte> newz2000: Do you work for Canonical?
[15:25] <newz2000> fschulte: yes
[15:25] <fschulte> newz2000: cewl :)
[15:25] <newz2000> yeah, today especially
[15:26] <newz2000> Get to meet a bunch of my coworkers in real life
[15:26] <fschulte> newz2000: Really, on what are you working right now?
[15:26] <newz2000> Today I'm working on workflows in drupal
[15:26] <fschulte> newz2000: aha
[15:26] <newz2000> setting it up so that content can be created by someone and then published after manager/etc approval
[15:27] <fschulte> newz2000: I've not done much drupal yet, only given a short glimpse at it
[15:27] <newz2000> some days I love it, some days I hate it
[15:27] <newz2000> :-)
[15:27] <newz2000> today it's doing what i want, so we're friends
[15:27] <fschulte> newz2000: heh
[15:28] <fschulte> newz2000: where are you now?
[15:28] <newz2000> today I'm in Barcelona Spain, but usually in Des Moines Iowa USA
[15:29] <fschulte> newz2000: is the weather nice there?
[15:29] <fschulte> newz2000: .. in spain
[15:29] <newz2000> perfect
[15:29] <newz2000> no humidity, about 70 degrees (20 deg C)
[15:30] <fschulte> newz2000: oooooh ... and you have the sea right there.
[15:30] <newz2000> yeah, well, I'm in a conference center with 250+ geeks. :-)
[15:30] <fschulte> newz2000: hot
[15:30]  * newz2000 is one of them
[15:31] <fschulte> newz2000: is it about drupal or a more ubuntu related conference?
[15:32] <newz2000> it's just Canonical staff. we all get together once in a while to meet face to face.
[15:33] <fschulte> To do it in spain seems to me allright :)
[15:34] <fschulte> newz2000: oh damn, I must be careful of what I say
[15:34] <SiDi> what will you do in spain ? :P
[15:35] <fschulte> SiDi: me?
[15:35] <SiDi> yeh
[15:35] <fschulte> SiDi: oh, ahm, you mean in the future?
[15:36] <fschulte> SiDi: That's an evil question.
[15:38] <fschulte> SiDi: are you there too?
[15:38] <SiDi> yeh
[15:38] <SiDi> but i'll be late
[15:38] <SiDi> cause of university
[15:39] <fschulte> SiDi: that means you live there
[15:39] <SiDi> no
[15:39] <SiDi> i'll come from france
[15:39] <SiDi> but they postponed one of my exams on wednesday
[15:39] <SiDi> i was meant to be there from tuesday morning but i'll only arrive to barcelona wednesday evening
[15:40] <fschulte> SiDi: hopefully you haven't missed anything important :)
[15:41] <newz2000> SiDi: you mean UDS don't you?
[15:41] <SiDi> newz2000: yes sir
[15:41] <newz2000> ok
[15:41] <newz2000> I'll be gone and back to the US by then
[15:42] <SiDi> oh i'm gonna stay a while after UDS
[15:42] <SiDi> need holidays
[15:42] <newz2000> good plan. brush up on your espanol. ;-)
[15:43] <SiDi> oh actually im from a spanish family so *hopefully* it will come back fast once in spain
[15:43] <SiDi> holidays are mostly because i've been having a very cool year of uni, except the two last months that were apocalyptic :/
[15:44] <SiDi> newz2000: there'll be a new ubuntu.com website for karmic ? :p
[15:44] <newz2000> SiDi: probably not
[15:45] <newz2000> I'll be meeting with Christina this week to schedule our meeting, she'll be the Information Architect and will be leading the re-design,
[15:45] <newz2000> but we both doubt it can get done in time
[15:45] <SiDi> i see
[15:45] <newz2000> Don't worry, there will be plenty for the community to help with
[15:45] <SiDi> the guy in charge of that left canonical recently, right ? :P
[15:46] <newz2000> well, you probably mean the design team lead, yes, he left, but that won't impact this project as far as I know
[15:46] <SiDi> newz2000: i'll be busy with projects for xubuntu, and i'll likely participate to the *huge* rewrite of the xfce doc, so my time for web stuff will be likely little :p
[15:47] <newz2000> I'm sure it'll all work out great
[22:50] <SiDi> Good night


[00:04] <mohbana> ok i;ve got to go
[01:03] <slangasek> Caesar: aha
[01:45] <calc> hmm it didn't find any errors, i guess i will reinstall and see what it does
[01:55] <calc> if my drive keeps getting weird errors after that i will ebay it since it likely is a miscommunication between the drive and the laptop (it has a drop sensor in the drive itself, plus the one in the laptop)
[01:55] <calc> then i will just need to get a drive without the sensor
[02:24]  * bluefoxicy waits 10 minutes for evolution to start
[02:25] <TheMuso> c
[02:29] <nixternal> bluefoxicy: 5 minutes to go
[02:29] <nixternal> use Mutt, it is instant :)
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> nixternal:  I started it 10 minutes ago, still waiting.
[02:45] <bluefoxicy> is this ever gonna finish
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> finally
[02:58] <Caesar> slangasek: the patch to fix it is hilarious
[02:58] <Caesar> I should update the bug with it
[03:02] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: you're running karmic?
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> lifeless:  no
[03:09] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: jaunty?
[03:09] <bluefoxicy> yep
[03:09] <lifeless> hmm
[03:10] <lifeless> well, file a bug upstream, keyword 'perf', and be sure to grab a strace or other analysis to be able to say broadly whats wrong
[11:40] <slangasek> calc: OOo in karmic seems to have silently switched to using the system librdf0 again, pulling 500K of libs onto the CD - is this offset by a size decrease in the OOo packages themselves?
[12:06] <slangasek> boo, what happened to the "how to version security updates" description from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures?
[12:06] <slangasek> ah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation now
[12:35] <MacSlow> kenvandine, hey there
[12:36] <MacSlow> kenvandine, were you able to get any of the laptops running with the projectors at the last plenary session at UDS on friday?
[13:09] <bryce> pitti: I seem to have not escaped UDS without bringing ubuflu home with me.  I'm taking today off sick
[13:10] <slangasek> eep
[13:11] <slangasek> if bryce is sick with the ubuflu, I guess it's only a matter of time before I'm incapacitated
[13:11] <bryce> slangasek: yeah you're the last pdx mafia left standing
[13:12] <slangasek> maybe I acquired immunity by also being the only pdx mafia member to do karaoke
[13:12] <bryce> ahh
[13:14] <bryce> heya rickspencer3
[13:14] <rickspencer3> hi bryce
[13:15] <MacSlow> bryce, just everybody got it :/
[13:15] <slangasek> bryce: so I guess I can't pester you about this sudden X behavior change where xrandr calls are crashing the server even though there've been no changes to the server packages in jaunty lately :)
[13:16] <bryce> MacSlow: UDS=PetriDish
[13:16] <slangasek> (that's ok, I seem to have a useful error message in gdm log, so I'll file a bug :)
[13:17] <MacSlow> bryce, *g*
[13:17] <rickspencer3> bryce: if you're sick, take a day off
[13:17] <rickspencer3> ;)
[13:17] <bryce> rickspencer3: yeah I think so
[13:17] <rickspencer3> you don't want to get everyone in #ubuntu-devel sick, right
[13:17] <bryce> hehe
[13:18] <bryce> *cough* *cough*
[13:18] <MacSlow> For everybody not seen yet, a quick screencast of the "cairo on the GPU"-proof-of-concept -> http://macslow.net/clips/gl-fragment-curves-1.ogg (still uploading though)
[13:19]  * persia hands bryce a handy mask
[13:19]  * rickspencer3 disinfects monitor
[13:19] <MacSlow> agateau, salut
[13:20] <agateau> MacSlow: guten tag!
[13:22] <kenvandine> MacSlow: no, we didn't
[13:22] <kenvandine> rickspencer3: your up early
[13:22] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: yeah, couldn't sleep
[13:23] <kenvandine> i am filling out my swap day form :)
[13:23] <rickspencer3> (I'm not really here, I'm taking vacation until Thur ;) )
[13:23] <bryce> mm jet lag
[13:23] <rickspencer3> hehe
[13:23] <bryce> yeah got that too
[13:23] <rickspencer3> bryce: kenvandine: I actually like the Europe to Seattle Jet lag starting on day 2 (day 1 I am just whipped)
[13:24] <kenvandine> i was too
[13:24] <kenvandine> i felt exhausted by 3pm
[13:37] <slangasek> oh wow, this is the worst rendering of 'ff' by firefox that I've ever seen
[13:38] <mterry> slangasek: Oh, I realized over the weekend why the 'Copyright' field in the proposed debian/copyright spec is optional: for public domain items
[13:39] <slangasek> mterry: right, I disagree with this interpretation - the 'Copyright' field is the right place to declare that a work *is* public domain :)
[13:39] <mterry> slangasek: Ah, the examples use the license field.  OK, as long as you were aware of the use case
[13:50] <ogra> hmm, shouldnt PCIID '8086:2a02' be unblacklisted in karmic ?
[13:50]  * ogra was hoping for composite after the upgrade
[13:50] <Tm_T> that is what exactly? (I'm curious)
[13:50] <ogra> intel
[13:51] <Tm_T> ah, roger roger
[13:51] <ogra> i965
[13:52] <Tm_T> ah, that beastie
[13:54] <ogra> bryce, shouldnt 8086:2a02 be un-blacklisted in the karmic intel driver ?
[13:55] <bryce> ogra: yes
[13:56] <ogra> weird
[13:56] <ogra> Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found
[13:56] <ogra> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[13:56] <ogra> thats what i get in ~/.xsession-errors trying to switch to compiz
[13:56] <bryce> the blacklisting is in compiz, not in the intel driver
[13:57] <ogra> ah
[13:57]  * ogra edits
[13:58] <ogra> wow, decent alt-tab behavior is back ...
[14:26] <maxb> Is it intentional that syncs from debian don't cause email to karmic-changes@ ?
[14:39] <james_w> maxb: auto-syncs yes, manually requested syncs should
[14:40]  * maxb was a bit surprised when a bunch of things showed up in update manager but not in changes email
[14:42] <maxb> If that was an autosync, would that normally sync every eligible package? I was expecting a linphone update on the next autosync but it doesn't seem to have happened
[14:42] <Tm_T> maxb: nice that you mentioned linphone... (:)
[14:45] <james_w> maxb: it would do normally
[14:46] <Tm_T> maxb: dunno if you need to know, but I mention, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-June/002901.html
[14:47] <slangasek> it may not have been built yet?
[14:47] <maxb> It's not build on ia64 or mipsel yet - that matters?
[14:47] <slangasek> no, that doesn't matter
[14:47] <slangasek> I mean that the source may be synced to Ubuntu and the binaries may not be built yet
[14:48] <maxb> rmadison says no, but that could be out of date
[14:48] <slangasek> it is
[14:48] <slangasek> fwiw :)
[14:48] <maxb> oh
[14:49] <maxb> right, nothing to worry about then
[15:18] <calc> slangasek: i think so, it should be anyway since when not using the system rdf it ships rdf in its own packaging
[15:36] <calc> grr i somehow didn't manage to reinstall grub correctly when i restored my laptop, i can't get it to boot :(
[15:38] <slangasek> calc: well, it also pulls in things like redland-utils as recommends, which I think might've been the reason we went this way for jaunty?
[15:41] <calc> iirc one of the reasons i disabled it at least was due to thinking the internal copy worked better but i talked to rene and he said the system one worked as well (which he was already using at the time), i suppose we could demote its recommends(?)
[15:48] <calc> did vol_id go away in karmic?
[15:49] <ogra> calc, yes
[15:49] <Kano> calc: how did you try
[15:49] <calc> it claims i don't have it and that if i install udev it would be there... which udev is already installed
[15:50] <ogra> use blkid
[15:50] <calc> i'm trying to make sure my uuid's are correct
[15:50] <calc> ogra: ok
[15:51] <calc> doh i am using the wrong uuid in grub somehow
[15:51]  * calc updates it and hopes it works
[15:55] <calc> it worked, no idea where i got the previous uuid from, that was strange
[15:55] <slangasek> what's the status of pulseaudio in karmic?
[15:55]  * slangasek just dist-upgraded, and pulseaudio isn't working
[15:55] <calc> slangasek: not sure i think TheMuso and crimsun were intending to fix it up soon after UDS
[15:56] <slangasek> calc: what is it that needs fixing up? :)
[15:56] <slangasek> I don't see any matching bug reports, and the error message is opaque as usual
[15:56] <calc> slangasek: i don't remember the details, sorry
[15:56] <calc> but i don't think it related to it not working at all, just to make it work better in some cases
[15:56] <slangasek> TheMuso, dtchen: ping
[15:58] <slangasek> Jun  1 07:42:24 dario pulseaudio[4693]: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id=0 name=pci_8086_27d8_sound_card_0 card_name=alsa_card.pci_8086_27d8_sound_card_0 tsched=0"): initialization failed.
[15:58] <slangasek> 'swhat I get
[15:58] <persia> slangasek, Does direct access through ALSA work?
[15:59] <slangasek> persia: how can I trick GNOME into doing that, given the pulseaudio autospawn nonsense?
[15:59] <persia> slangasek, aplay?
[15:59] <calc> persia: we aren't routing alsa through pulse yet are we?
[16:00] <persia> But more importantly, when you get that error, pulseaudio is failing to load the alsa module, so it's not grabbing the card.
[16:01] <persia> calc, Hrm.  I don't think so, but I could be wrong (I'm still cleaning up some infrastructural issues before upgrading to karmic)
[16:01] <slangasek> persia: well, yes, that much is clear; I don't find that this makes it particularly diagnosable, though
[16:03] <slangasek> aplay doesn't throw errors; it also doesn't give me sound
[16:03] <persia> slangasek, Hrm.  That's probably true.  Did I actually understand the deep stack, I'd probably be asking you questions about your kernel conf and comparing to that output line, but I'm not prepared to interpret the results if you gave them to me.
[16:03] <persia> If aplay doesn't give you sound, you've very likely an issue loading your audio card driver.
[16:03] <slangasek> the driver is loaded
[16:04] <slangasek> and if I switch to OSS, I get sound
[16:04] <loic-m> ogra: ping
[16:05] <persia> I think I had that bug once.  I ended up disabling OSS.  Something about the device being captured by the OSS compatibility layer, I think, but I don't really understand it.
[16:05] <persia> But I am sure that it's not pulse if aplay also doesn't work.  Doesn't really help explain the issue though.
[16:06] <slangasek> eh, except my understanding is that alsa now autospawns pulse by default, so just running 'aplay' *is* pulse
[16:06] <slangasek> if I try to point aplay at the sound card explicitly, I get a 'Sample format non available' error instead
[16:07] <persia> That's more useful.  You can fiddle with -f, but it would depend on you having the right file.
[16:09] <slangasek> "the right file"?
[16:10] <persia> slangasek, A file in the format you specified.
[16:10] <persia> (which you may be able to create with arecord, but not if it isn't working)
[16:11] <slangasek> except I didn't specify a format
[16:11] <slangasek> it's a .wav file, and it knows what format it's in and it refuses to play it.
[16:14] <persia> Ah.  That usually indicates either that your sound card doesn't support the format or that there is a negotiation issue.
[16:14] <persia> (one of the things pulse does is resample everything before submitting to the card to reduce these issues)
[16:15] <slangasek> gives me no feedback about what format it wants, though
[16:18] <persia> Unfortunately, I forget how to get that information :(  Maybe dtchen will come around at some point.
[16:19] <slangasek> bug #382440 opened, in the meantime
[16:27] <slangasek> persia: nah - if I manually neuter alsa to not autospawn pulse, then alsa playback works fine
[16:27] <persia> It's not supposed to do that.  Now I'm confused, and have all the more incentive to upgrade soon.
[16:27] <persia> I wonder if pulse is trying to attach to the pulse pcm in a loop or something.
[16:28] <slangasek> oh, that's interesting; now I've reset everything to permit autospawn again, and it still works
[16:28] <slangasek> and pulse is running, and attaching successfully
[16:28] <persia> Right.  Quick, before you lose it, save the entire history of what you've done.  You may need it again.
[16:29] <slangasek> heh
[16:57] <slangasek> TheMuso: bug #379092> hmm, from what I remember being discussed in February, that sounds like a regression to me, as adjtime shouldn't be used even if it does exist
[17:35] <wip> hi sorry for the noise, but we need a new rt-kernel release. too many bugs in the actual release
[19:23] <alex-weej> MacSlow: are you trying to make a Cairo backend like Glitz?
[19:23] <alex-weej> i'm still a bit confuses as to what you are making
[19:35] <mweichert> hello, I'm trying to learn how to create pam-auth-update packages. However, I see common examples of modules using key,value pair control-flags for modules, such as that appear here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PAMConfigFrameworkSpec
[19:36] <mweichert> I'm used to the following module control-flags: required, sufficient, optional
[19:36] <mweichert> I've never come across something like this before, till now: [success=2 default=ignore]
[19:36] <mweichert> where can I read about this format?
[19:39] <mweichert> I've found a little info here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-configuration-file.html
[19:40] <holoway> mweichert: that's where I remember learning about that syntax
[19:40] <holoway> and the other extensions, like skip
[19:41] <holoway> (which is good for ldap)
[19:47] <mweichert> holoway: can I ask you to look at this brief example if you don't mind: http://www.pastie.org/496843
[19:47] <holoway> mweichert: sure
[19:48] <mweichert> is line 6, saying if this module succeeds, to go line 11
[19:48] <mweichert> success=2, meaing skip the next two modules ?
[19:48] <holoway> mweichert: exactly
[19:48] <mweichert> holoway: ok, perfect - thanks
[19:48] <holoway> it's a sneaky bit of pam magic
[19:49] <holoway> but it's a very good idea, and that's a nice pam configuration, actually
[19:50] <holoway> in the past, I've used that syntax to handle things like skipping the LDAP checks for local users, etc
[19:50] <mweichert> holoway, yeah, I can see it's usefulness. I actually find it easier to read than using the other control-flags (now that I understand the syntax)
[19:50] <holoway> oh yeah - it's the way to go if you are building a complicated pam structure
[19:51] <holoway> once I started thinking about it like a kind of funky firewall syntax it made more sense - default policy is denial, success usually jumps you out of the control flow, etc.
[19:52] <mweichert> holoway, I'm liking it. :)
[19:54] <mweichert> holoway, is success=end the equivalent of success=ok or success=done ?
[19:55] <holoway> mweichert: I think so, but it's been a while since I've dug around inside of pam
[19:56] <holoway> mweichert: I believe the difference is that success=ok means you move on, and you are just contributing to success
[19:56] <holoway> mweichert: wheras 'end' means 'I am the canonical answer - success has happened, stop processing the rest of this phase'
[19:56] <holoway> and die is the same, only for failure ('I am the ultimate failure, don't ask any other modules in the stack')
[19:59] <mweichert> holoway, ok - thanks.
[20:23] <MacSlow> alex-weej, if I'll add my stuff to glitz or do it separately in the end I cannot tell yet
[20:23] <MacSlow> alex-weej, it's too early
[20:51] <mterry> It seems to be the case that --install-layout=deb isn't needed anymore for python2.6?  Without it, on a karmic-built package, the modules correctly get put in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages.  Was that just a temporary necessity?
[20:54] <aliciapg> was kdenlive removed from kde recently?
[20:54] <Tm_T> removed from where exactly?
[20:55] <aliciapg> i tried to submit a bug report for kdenlive upstream but it was no longer listed as one of their projects anymore in bugzilla
[20:56] <Tm_T> aliciapg: ah, you might like to ask #kde and/or #kdenlive then?
[20:56] <aliciapg> thanks i'll try that
[20:57]  * Tm_T wonders why ask in here in first place anyway
[20:57] <mterry> Tm_T: Because this room has such helpful people!  :)
[20:58] <Tm_T> where?
[21:00] <aliciapg> because kde was non responsive
[21:01] <Tm_T> interesting
[21:41] <mweichert> can someone help explain the differences to me between Primary, Additional, Initial types used in pam-auth-update packages please?
[21:42] <mweichert> Primary vs Additional - I take it that the primary type is used if there is no other packages enabled?
[22:10] <dtchen> slangasek: seems a lot like the dbus races that were floated about last cycle, will look in a bit
[22:12] <dtchen> slangasek: in the meantime, disabling PA's autospawn is accomplished by echoing "autospawn = no" into ~/.pulse/client.conf and killing pulseaudio
[22:32] <maxb> mweichert: I'm trying and failing to find actual documentation, but it looks to me that Primary ones provide an actual method of authenticating users, etc., whilst Additional ones are merely ones which hook into pam to provide additional functionality
[22:32] <maxb> i.e. without a Primary one, PAM would be useless/crippled
[22:59] <TheMuso> slangasek: but since adjtime won't exist, nothign will be done.
[22:59] <TheMuso> slangasek: and pong re whatever youw atned to talk to me and dtchen about.
[23:20] <slangasek> mweichert: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PAMConfigFrameworkSpec
[23:20] <slangasek> TheMuso: right, point is whether it's wrong even *if* /etc/adjtime exists
[23:21] <slangasek> TheMuso: the ping became bug #382440.
[23:21] <TheMuso> slangasek: ok thanks


[01:25] <Eickmeyer> mightyflea[m]: I should have a fix in the PPA shortly. Just missed this one, thought I had backported the fix.
[01:38] <Eickmeyer> mightyflea[m]: Fixed, give it about an hour to get to your system. :)
[02:56] <corrinado[m]> Now, that's service with a smile 😃
[07:18] <mightyflea[m]> It works! Thank you so much!
[07:21] <mightyflea[m]> (btw is this the preferred channel for such questions or would you prefer a different one? Askubuntu?
[07:22] <mightyflea[m]> I looked for a bug tracker but did not find one that seemed appropriate for the backports PPA.)
[17:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> mightyflea: There's no automatic bug tracker for the backports, unfortunately. Just bear in mind, not all problems can be solved without upstream action, so 90% of the time just report directly to the application creator.
[17:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> This was one of the 10% of the time where there was a known bug with an easy fix that I happened to be involved with upstream about a couple months ago.
[18:04] <mightyflea[m]> Okay, good to know!


[06:56] <YodaDaCoda> Greetings everybody. I've spent the last couple hours messing with setting up a bootable USB with grub2 and a bunch of ubuntu iso files. I only have an 8gb drive to use, so I wanted to use btrfs w/ compression to fit a little more on. Unfortunately, the ubuntu initrd doesn't work with btrfs, because of a single line in a single script where btrfs is not included in the list of compatible filesystems.
[06:56] <YodaDaCoda> I've added it myself and am now successfully booting an iso from a btrfs formatted drive. How do I go about having this officially changed?
[07:07] <ersi> Good question, I'd probably file a launchpad bug/issue as a 'Enhancement'. Question is where to attach it >_>
[07:12] <YodaDaCoda> That's pretty much my train of thought as well.
[07:13] <YodaDaCoda> I imagine it'd be simple enough for the maintainer to add the necessary 6 characters to the file, but that's not much help if the appropriate maintainer never sees it.
[07:13]  * ersi nods
[13:38] <TheLordOfTime> micahg: when you get to it, LP Bug 909109 and LP Bug 915344 can be wishlisted.
[13:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 909109 in pcre3 "upgrade to >= 8.20, enable JIT support" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909109
[13:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 915344 in nginx "enable PCRE JIT support in nginx 1.1 on precise" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/915344
[13:38] <TheLordOfTime> or at least 915344
[17:12] <jtaylor> anyone with natty up for some SRU verification?
[17:12] <jtaylor> bug 986279
[17:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986279 in hg-git "can't clone the repo: ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986279
[23:05] <LordOfTime> anyone with bugcontrol alive?


[12:48] <carlos> morning
[12:48] <carlos> daf: We should solve the case when a language does not have a default plural form
[12:49] <daf> carlos: yes
[12:53] <carlos> daf: any idea of the procedure to do it?, do we have it defined?
[12:54] <daf> what do you mean "solve"?
[12:54] <carlos> daf: http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/evolution-2.0/translate
[12:54] <carlos> fails
[12:55] <carlos> because welsh does not have plural forms
[12:55] <daf> right
[12:55] <daf> I have an idea for it
[12:56] <carlos> phone
[12:56] <limi> carlos: I have a solutions for the language selection widget
[01:05] <carlos> limi: good!!
[01:05] <carlos> daf: Could you share it? :-)
[01:05] <carlos> limi: Do I need to change my code?
[01:05] <limi> already checked in, and sending mail to the list now
[01:05] <limi> no
[01:06] <carlos> ok
[01:06] <limi> mail sent
[01:06] <limi> please test the code
[01:07] <daf> carlos: well, error reporting in the translation template needs to be better in general
[01:07] <limi> I shouldn't really be here ;)
[01:07] <limi> plane leaves in 3 hours
[01:08] <carlos> limi: downloading
[01:08] <carlos> daf: I know :-)
[01:08] <daf> for now, the view class should set a flag for this error, and the template should check for it
[01:09] <daf> and it should work similarly for other errors
[01:09] <carlos> limi: not yet at rocketfuel...
[01:10] <carlos> daf: make sense
[01:17] <carlos> SteveA, spiv: The database updated is not working, with the SteveA's patch seems to work better but the commit is never done
[01:30] <SteveA> is the commit never done for any query?
[01:32] <carlos> SteveA: the log does not have any COMMIT
[01:33] <SteveA> is this try for all queries, or just some?
[01:34] <carlos> SteveA: I did a grep looking for COMMIT at /var/log/postgresql/postgres.log and I got 0 strings
[01:38] <SteveA> ok, that's interesting
[01:43] <carlos> daf: should this page be killed?:  http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/evolution-2.0/es
[01:44] <carlos> daf: I think we should remove it and serve from there only the .po/.mo files
[01:45] <carlos> daf: or serve the .po/.mo files as:   http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/evolution-2.0/es/po and   http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/evolution-2.0/es/mo
[01:45] <SteveA> warty crashed
[01:46] <carlos> SteveA: wow, X crash?
[02:00] <SteveA> daf: ?
[02:04] <daf> SteveA: ?
[02:05] <SteveA> I cannot run rosetta as checked in, as I get an error when going to the page http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/ubuntu
[02:06] <SteveA> I cannot run rosetta as checked in, as I get an error when going to the page http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/ubuntu
[02:06] <carlos> SteveA: it works here, do you have latest database data?
[02:06] <SteveA> #
[02:06] <SteveA> # Module canonical.rosetta.browser, line 59, in products
[02:06] <SteveA> person = RosettaPerson.selectBy(displayName='Dafydd Harries')[0]
[02:06] <SteveA> # Module sqlobject.main, line 1194, in __getitem__
[02:06] <SteveA> return list(self.clone(start=start, end=start+1))[0]
[02:06] <SteveA> perhaps I do not have the latest database data
[02:07] <daf> make -C launchpad/database/schema launchpad_test
[02:07] <SteveA> thanks
[02:09] <daf> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
[02:09] <carlos> daf: ?
[02:10] <daf> when the database code is running inside Zope, % signs in queries make it crash and burn
[02:10] <daf> when I use initZopeless, it works
[02:10] <SteveA> did you read stu's email?
[02:10] <daf> yes
[02:10] <daf> I replied to it
[02:11] <SteveA> http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/evolution-2.0/translate
[02:11] <SteveA> RuntimeError: ('No information on plural forms for this language!', <RosettaLanguage at 0x409ebcec>)
[02:12] <carlos> SteveA: know bug
[02:12] <daf> carlos: you shouldn't have made me the default, I speak Welsh :)
[02:13] <carlos> SteveA: to be able to enter there, edit the language list and remove welsh from the list of languages
[02:13] <carlos> from rosetta/prefs
[02:13] <carlos> daf: I thought that you added it because you speak welsh :-)
[02:13] <daf> or append "?languages=" to the URL
[02:13] <daf> I didn't add it!
[02:13] <SteveA> http://localhost:8085/++skin++Debug/rosetta/prefs
[02:13] <SteveA>     *
[02:13] <SteveA> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 4: ordinal not in range(128)
[02:13] <carlos> I mean, that you added the Welsh's plural form expression :-P
[02:14] <carlos> SteveA: hmm, that's new
[02:14] <daf> I've seen that before somewhere
[02:14] <daf> SteveA: can you give me the last stack frame within the Rosetta code?
[02:14] <SteveA> all I want to do is to write to the database so I can find out why it isn't committing
[02:15] <carlos> SteveA: but it works here
[02:15] <carlos> SteveA: wait, because perhaps it's my fault (I didn't got the updates outside launchpad), I'm testing it again now...
[02:19] <carlos> SteveA: same problem after getting latest code from all modules. But the prefs page does not have that error here...
[02:19] <carlos> that error == UnicodeDecodeError
[02:20] <daf> carlos: can you give me the last stack frame within the Rosetta code?
[02:21] <carlos> daf: I don't have it, as I said, I don't get that error
[02:21] <carlos> same problem == database update error
[02:21] <daf> what's the error you're getting?
[02:22] <carlos> I don't get a bt, the database is not updated, that's "all"
[02:22] <daf> oh, that problem
[02:24] <SteveA> daf: do you want something from me?
[02:24] <daf> SteveA: yes
[02:24] <stub> daf: If you are having troubles with '%''s in queries, are you logging the SQL received by PostgreSQL, and does this show the problem?
[02:24] <daf> 13:14:38 <daf> SteveA: can you give me the last stack frame within the Rosetta code?
[02:25] <daf> stub: not sure that it ever gets as far as Postgres
[02:25] <carlos> lunch time, see you later.....
[02:25] <stub> daf: Does the process crash?
[02:25] <SteveA> daf: I was confused by your request
[02:25] <daf> stub: yes
[02:25] <SteveA> I stack frame is not something I can give you
[02:26] <daf> SteveA: from the backtrace, can you give the the last record which ocurrs within Rosetta code?
[02:26] <stub> daf: You might be sneaking a Unicode string into Psycopg which will do that. If possible, you can try doing .encode('utf8') to see if it fixes the issue (then we have to plug the hole)
[02:27] <daf> stub: hmm, that could be it
[02:27] <SteveA> daf, it doesn't
[02:27] <daf> stub: I'll give that a try
[02:27] <SteveA> it is just on rendering a page template
[02:27] <daf> SteveA: oh
[02:27] <daf> SteveA: in that case, can you just paste me the traceback in Jabber?
[02:34] <SteveA>     *
[02:34] <SteveA> RuntimeError: ('No information on plural forms for this language!', <RosettaLanguage at 0x406b29ec>)
[02:34] <SteveA> I added a ?lanaguages=en
[02:34] <SteveA> filled in the form
[02:35] <SteveA> tried to submit it, and got that error
[02:36] <daf> don't use that template
[02:36] <daf> it doesn't write to the database
[02:36] <SteveA> argh
[02:37] <SteveA> tell me where to go so that I can use a page that writes to the database
[02:37] <daf> stub: I don't think it's an encoding problem
[02:38] <stub> daf: In theory, the only thing that could cause a crash is psycopg since everything else is written in Python. We need to track down the query being sent to psycopg.execute that causes the crash
[02:39] <daf> stub: ok
[02:39] <stub> (and the bound parameters if there are any)
[02:39] <daf> stub: the error I'm getting, by the way, is "DatabaseException: unindexable object"
[02:39] <daf> stub: sorry
[02:39] <stub> daf: Oh... I thought you meant core dump crash :-)
[02:39] <daf> stub: it doesn't crash in the segfault sense
[02:40] <stub> daf: Probably right, and you need to do '%%foo%%' instead of '%foo%'
[02:41] <daf> stub: it's more like "Opening %%d contact will open %%d new window as well." instead of "Opening %d contacts will open %d new windows as well."
[02:41] <daf> stub: these are string comparisons, not LIKEs
[02:42] <daf> stub: e.g. RosettaPOMessageID.selectBy(msgid=foo)
[02:44] <SteveA> I must meet people for lunch.  Back in a while.
[02:45] <SteveA> Please let me know if there's a database problem to be tracked down, and if so, a page in rosetta I can use to try it out.
[02:56] <stub> daf: Ok - I've got a test case that reproduces your bug
[02:57] <daf> stub: oh, wow!
[03:13] <daf> stub: yep, it definitely only happens under Zope
[03:20] <daf> stub: .replace('%', '%%') removes the error, but the '%%' persists into the database query, which means the results are wrong
[03:20] <stub> :-P
[03:22] <daf> stub: sorry, are you meant to be off-duty?
[03:32] <stub> daf: Yup, but I hang out here anyway. Go figure :-)
[03:38] <daf> stub: ok, so long as you don't mind me bothering you :)
[03:45] <stub> daf: Ok. It is either a psycopg bug or 'feature', being triggered by Zope3
[03:46] <daf> stub: what is this (mis)feature?
[03:46] <stub> daf: I think I can fix Z3 upstream to work around the problem
[03:46] <daf> huzzah!
[03:47] <stub> daf: cursor.execute("insert into x values ('100%')", {})
[03:47] <stub> daf: psycopg then throws a wobbly
[03:47] <daf> why so?
[03:48] <stub> Because I suspect it just does 'parameter binding' by doing query % parameter_map (because PostgreSQL didn't used to support real bound parameters)
[03:49] <stub> People generally won't notice, as they either use no bound variables (and no second argument to cursor.execute), or all bound variables so no stray %'s in the query.
[03:49] <daf> but
[03:50] <daf> if it does query % parameter_map
[03:50] <daf> why are the %% persisting into the query sent to Postgres?
[03:51] <stub> No idea :-) I might have found a different bug
[03:52] <stub> No - it is the same bug
[03:52] <daf> waah!
[03:52] <stub> cursor.execute("insert into x values ('100%%')", {}) works, but sends a double %% to postgresql
[03:53] <daf> well, even a workaround would be very helpful
[03:56] <debonzi> if I have for lp.dbschema a class (ex: DistributionReleaseState) is it possible to get its state using the Item number?
[03:56] <debonzi> s/for/from
[04:20] <SteveA> daf: ping
[04:23] <daf> SteveA: pong
[04:28] <carlos> SteveA: hmmm, seems like it works now. But I did not changed anything...
[04:28] <carlos> SteveA: the database is updated
[04:28] <carlos> http://localhost:8085/rosetta/prefs and http://localhost:8085/rosetta/projects/gnome/evolution/evolution-2.0/es/+edit
[04:28] <carlos> change the database
[04:30] <carlos> SteveA: the postgres log still does not shows any commit or rollback, but it shows a begin transaction and an end, I suppose it's the way it shows a commit..
[04:42] <SteveA> yes
[04:46] <SteveA> so, is it working properly for you?
[04:47] <daf> SteveA: did you want me for something?
[04:47] <daf> SteveA: I'm thinking of having lunch
[04:47] <SteveA> I wanted to ask you about     * RuntimeError: ('No information on plural forms for this language!', <RosettaLanguage at 0x406b29ec>)
[04:47] <daf> that's a bug
[04:48] <carlos> SteveA: hmm, I'm debugging now it,  because after the submit, the database is updated but the webpage shows old data, if you reload it, it shows again valid data
[04:48] <daf> SteveA: since I'm a bit stuck on this database stuff, I was thinking of working on that now
[04:48] <SteveA> daf: have you had a meeting / taskboard thing for today?
[04:48] <daf> SteveA: for "now" meaning "after lunch"
[04:48] <daf> SteveA: no
[04:49] <daf> SteveA: I have been rather lax in doing that
[04:49] <carlos> so, I think that the database is updated after the template fetchs the information from the objects (first the queries and then the submit but it should be, first the submit and then the queries...)
[04:53] <SteveA> hm
[04:53] <SteveA> that might well be happening
[04:54] <SteveA> which template?
[04:54] <carlos> rosetta-preferences.pt
[04:54] <SteveA> lots of tabs in that template ;-)
[04:55] <carlos> It's not mine :-)
[04:56] <SteveA> ok, here's the problem
[04:56] <SteveA> there are tal:define statements at the top
[04:56] <SteveA> but the part that calls the "update stuff" is after those
[04:56] <SteveA>     <div tal:content="view/submit" />
[04:56] <SteveA> that needs to be before
[04:56] <SteveA>      tal:define="languages view/languages; selectedLanguages view/selectedLanguages" >
[04:57] <SteveA> so, do the tal:define on a div, or something like that
[04:57] <carlos> ok, thanks
[04:57] <SteveA> and start it lower down
[04:57] <SteveA> maybe even on the form tag
[04:59] <carlos> directly inside the form tag?
[05:00] <carlos> perfect, it works
[05:00] <carlos> thank you
[05:01] <carlos> the only remaining thing with that page is the selection of all prefered languages, limi's fix is not working
[05:02] <carlos> I mean, select them before submit the form
[05:05] <SteveA> same template?
[05:06] <carlos> yes
[05:06] <SteveA> what was limi's fix ?
[05:07] <carlos> I sent an email about it to launchpad
[05:07] <carlos> <form action="prefs" method="post" onsubmit="selectAllWords();return true;"
[05:07] <carlos>           tal:define="languages view/languages; selectedLanguages view/selectedLanguages" >
[05:07] <carlos> in theory with that form line should work
[05:07] <carlos> limi's fix is the onsubmit attribute
[05:08] <carlos> I changed the return false with retur true so it sends the submit
[05:08] <carlos> but I still get the list empty
[05:08] <SteveA> ok
[05:08] <SteveA> I just read the mail to the launchpad list
[05:08] <SteveA> I think this is simple to fix
[05:09] <carlos> I know, but I have no idea about javascript and my html knowledge is basic
[05:11] <SteveA> I will fix this now
[05:12] <carlos> ok, thank you
[05:12] <carlos> I have sent the merge request with my changes to that template
[05:13] <SteveA> ok
[05:14] <SteveA>     onsubmit="javascript:selectAllWords();return true;"
[05:14] <SteveA> try that please
[05:15] <SteveA> adding that to the form tag
[05:16] <SteveA> carlos: ping
[05:16] <carlos> SteveA: does not works
[05:17] <SteveA> ok, I will investigate further
[05:17] <SteveA> what exactly does it do for you?
[05:17] <carlos> ok
[05:17] <carlos> SteveA: It does the submit
[05:17] <SteveA> does it select the selects?
[05:17] <carlos> but as I don't have any language selected
[05:17] <carlos> it removes all languages from the database for Daf
[05:18] <daf> carlos: what's the status of the preferences page?
[05:18] <daf> carlos: is it working?
[05:18] <carlos> daf: yes, it only has a problem with the html/javascript code
[05:18] <SteveA> I'm just talking about the form, and the javascript
[05:18] <daf> carlos: ok
[05:18] <daf> carlos: how long do you think it will take to finish?
[05:18] <SteveA> I can't see the prefs page
[05:18] <carlos> daf: it does not depends on me, SteveA is working on fixing it
[05:18] <SteveA> because I get a unicode error
[05:18] <SteveA> so, I cannot test this
[05:19] <carlos> hmm
[05:19] <carlos> let me regenerate my database and try it, perhaps I have something different...
[05:20] <SteveA> I'll do that too
[05:20] <carlos> daf: the python code is all in place, it works if you manually select the list of languages from "My languages" before click over the save button
[05:20] <SteveA> ok, works for me now
[05:20] <SteveA> I updated, and regenerated my db
[05:20] <carlos> ok
[05:23] <SteveA> ok, I'll see what's wrong with the javascript and fix it
[05:27] <daf> I'd like us to try using Bugzilla as the focus of our task management
[05:27] <daf> carlos:
[05:27] <daf> SteveA:
[05:27] <daf> how does that sound?
[05:27] <carlos> daf: that's perfect for me
[05:28] <daf> ok
[05:28] <daf> and, on the task board, we link to the bugs we're working on
[05:29] <carlos> ok
[05:31] <daf> ok, I've updated for today
[05:32] <SteveA> good
[05:33] <daf> hmm: bugs #1905-#1911 are all Rosetta's
[05:35] <daf> I think we should probably file things in Bugzilla at the drop of the hat
[05:35] <daf> it's easy enough to close bogus bugs
[05:35] <daf> but it's bad when we lost track of things that need doing
[05:36] <daf> so, let's be bug-happy :)
[05:51] <SteveA> carlos: I have a fix
[05:51] <carlos> SteveA: ok
[05:55] <SteveA> I just sent it to pqm
[05:55] <SteveA> try it out now though.
[05:55] <SteveA> in canonical/lp/javascripts/launchpad.js
[05:55] <SteveA> function selectAllWords()
[05:55] <SteveA>     {
[05:55] <SteveA>     var keyword = document.getElementsByTagName('select')
[05:55] <SteveA>
[05:55] <SteveA>     for (var i=0; i < keyword.length; i++)
[05:55] <SteveA>         {if (keyword[i] .multiple)
[05:55] <SteveA>             {
[05:55] <SteveA>     	        for (var x=0; x < keyword[i] .options.length; x++)
[05:55] <SteveA>     		    {
[05:55] <SteveA>                 keyword[i] .options[x] .selected = true
[05:56] <SteveA>         	    }
[05:56] <SteveA>             }
[05:56] <SteveA>          }
[05:56] <SteveA>     }
[05:56] <carlos> SteveA: with your previous fix?
[05:57] <SteveA>     <form action="prefs" method="post"
[05:57] <SteveA>     onSubmit="javascript:selectAllWords();return true;"
[05:57] <SteveA>     tal:define="languages view/languages; selectedLanguages view/selectedLanguages" >
[05:57] <carlos> ok
[05:57] <SteveA> that's the form tag from rosetta-preferences.pt
[05:59] <carlos> SteveA: ok, it works, but it also selects the "Available languages" list
[06:00] <SteveA> is that a problem?
[06:00] <SteveA> the code is supposed to select all multiple select boxes
[06:01] <carlos> If it's a problem, it's a UI one so we could ignore it now
[06:01] <SteveA> ok, good
[06:01] <SteveA> so, your code will work, and the page will work as intended
[06:01] <carlos> SteveA: thank you
[06:01] <SteveA> is there a bugzilla bug on this?
[06:01] <carlos> SteveA: yes
[06:02] <SteveA> great, then you'll be able to close it soon
[06:02] <carlos> SteveA: not yet, and I suppose it's not necessary it because it's fixed already, right?
[06:02] <carlos> SteveA: my yes is about "<SteveA> so, your code will work, and the page will work as intended"
[06:03] <SteveA> ok, fine
[06:03] <SteveA> this was a bug that involved more than one person, and some time and chatting
[06:03] <SteveA> so, it would have been good to open a bug
[06:03] <SteveA> when you're depending on someone else to fix code, always open a bug
[06:04] <carlos> ok
[06:22] <spiv> daf: Did you get Mary's email?
[06:24] <daf> spiv: yep
[06:24] <daf> spiv: did you see any of that stuff about '%'s in queries?
[06:24] <daf> spiv: (just sent a reply)
[06:24] <spiv> Ah, thanks.
[06:24] <spiv> Yeah, I did.
[06:25] <daf> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1909, by the way
[06:25] <spiv> Ah, great.
[06:25] <daf> stub has a fix, but it's waiting on lifeless to merge it
[06:40] <carlos> daf: Could we add a metabug for Rosetta Alpha?, that way we could see easily the bugs that blocks the alpha to be released
[06:52] <SteveA> daf: can you add a link to the "rosetta bugs" query to the taskboard page?
[06:52] <daf> carlos: are you volunteering? :)
[06:52] <daf> SteveA: sure
[06:53] <carlos> daf: yes
[06:53] <daf> carlos: great, thanks!
[06:56] <carlos> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1915
[06:57] <carlos> please remember that any new bug should add the #1915 to its "blocks" fields
[06:59] <carlos> daf: I should leave now to study. Do you need anything from me now?
[07:00] <daf> carlos: not right now
[07:00] <daf> carlos: thanks
[07:00] <carlos> ok ,send me an email if you need anything I suppose I will read it from time to time until tonight
[07:00] <carlos> see you!!
[07:00] <daf> good luck with your study