[09:46] <tdr112> morning
[09:47] <ebel> morning
[09:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:12] <ebel> sorry I wasn't at the loco meeting yesterday
[10:13] <ebel> I was at riverdance with some relatives who were over
[10:36] <zmoylan> riverdance? you've suffered enough :-)
[10:37] <slashbel> his relatives loved it
[10:38] <slashbel> but to me it sounds like paying €40 for a couple of hours of suffering
[10:38] <zmoylan> it does seem to keep going
[10:38] <zmoylan> i liked the original eurovision intermission thingy but i doubt i could bear a whole show of the same.
[10:39] <slashbel> aye, the interval act now has its own interval act
[10:42] <slashbel> at the weekend we were taken around the tourist hotspots of templebar… where the only irish people in the bars were either the staff and musicians
[10:43] <zmoylan> irish staff? are things so bad economically?
[10:44] <slashbel> sometimes the bar manager
[10:45] <slashbel> i have to wonder if the visitors realise they're in an artificle tourist zone
[10:45] <slashbel> or is that what they come to see, ireland's version of disneyland
[10:46] <zmoylan> still, not as bad as disneyland.  not a bunch of complete control freaks
[10:48] <slashbel> i've never been to disneyland, only heard about it
[10:50] <zmoylan> it's all their silliness of breaking copyright to protect mickey mouse that put me off them for life
[10:58] <slashbel> aye, tis crazy stuff


[20:48] <wxl> hey folks is there a way to get ubottu to report on source packages?
[20:49] <dax> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/135690
[20:49] <dax> only 12 years old ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:49] <wxl> ok thx XD
[20:49] <dax> i wonder whether shiny new bot thing can do it
[20:50]  * wxl looks around
[20:50] <wxl> where?
[21:23] <Unit193> dax: Yes.
[21:24] <Unit193> [17:24:21] <Unit193> info src:irssi
[21:24] <Unit193> [17:24:22] <ubot93> irssi (1.2.0-2ubuntu1.2, disco): Packages irssi, irssi-plugin-otr, irssi-dev. Maintained by Rhonda D'Vine @ https://salsa.debian.org/rhonda/irssi
[21:41] <Unit193> Amusingly, that's likely in the channel wxl referrs to.
[21:41] <dax> i thought as much too
[21:42] <wxl> thx for the hint Unit193 :)
[21:45] <Unit193> https://git.launchpad.net/~krytarik/ubuntu-bots/+git/ubuntu-bots/commit/?id=b27c23725bece5c6b354d2e1091ea0e79a01902a
[21:58] <wxl> strange that it prefers original maintainer
[21:59] <Unit193> 'Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on everything isn't much use, tbh.
[22:00] <wxl> fair enough


[11:04] <cjwatson> popey: hey, do you have any examples of electron-builder snaps that fail to build for networky sorts of reasons on BSI?
[11:04] <cjwatson> popey: elopio filed a bug about one of those a while back, but the GH repository for it is gone
[11:44] <popey> cjwatson: we generally don't hook e-b apps to bsi. Because it doesn't build with a yaml in the root
[12:43] <cjwatson> popey: Can you explain that a bit further?
[13:16] <popey_> cjwatson: sorry for the delay, irccloud-desktop from edge is segfaulting and I'm on 50K/s wifi
[13:16] <popey_> cjwatson: so, electron-builder knows how to build snaps. A single line in the package.json in the root of an electron-builder based project is often enough to spit out a valid snap
[13:16] <popey_> cjwatson: sometimes you need extra stuff like interfaces listed, or stage-packages, but often not.
[13:17] <popey_> cjwatson: internally e-b will build the application with npm/yarn or whatever, and then bundle the built assets into a snap (I think using snapcraft)
[13:18] <popey_> cjwatson: so e-b projects don't actually have a snapcraft.yaml anywhere in their source tree, it gets generated (I think) at build time, and then thrown away.
[13:21] <cjwatson> popey_: Ah, so https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1732811 was an anomaly?
[13:22] <mup> Bug #1732811: glowing-bear fails to build, but it works on container build <launchpad-buildd:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732811>
[13:22] <cjwatson> I assumed from that bug that there was some kind of wrapper boilerplate in snapcraft.yaml that called electron-builder.
[13:24] <popey_> yeah, i dunno what it did, we nuked it because it was all broken
[13:24] <popey_> so it could well be an anomoly, I'd close it and we can re-open if we see it again
[13:25] <cjwatson> popey_: OK, would you mind doing that?  Always good to have the user('s team) withdraw rather than the nasty evil maintainer wontfixing :)
[13:25] <cjwatson> popey_: I think my proxy work will likely take care of the specific download problem there in any case
[13:26] <popey> :D
[13:26] <cjwatson> (well, maybe; or else it'll require the same kind of more heroic measures that bloody maven-ant-tasks will)
[13:26] <popey> oh. you've fixed maven? :)
[13:26] <cjwatson> ... sort of, in some cases
[13:27] <cjwatson> maven-ant-tasks is a special snowflake
[13:27] <popey> ah okay.
[13:27] <cjwatson> I have a fix for the general case of stuff that doesn't work with authed proxies
[13:27] <cjwatson> but maven-ant-tasks is terrible and is just ignoring me no matter what I try
[13:27] <cjwatson> I think I must have insulted its ancestors or something
[13:27] <popey> More free software developers should have to live behind proxy servers. This stuff would happen less often.
[13:28] <cjwatson> I do find it astonishing that Java stuff doesn't work right, given the corporate world
[13:28] <popey> yeah
[13:28] <cjwatson> the internet is full of half-complete threads to the effect of "how do I get maven to work behind my proxy" that sort of tail off
[13:28] <popey> :(
[13:28] <cjwatson> anyway, I have an evil plan
[13:29] <cjwatson> it may involve iptables and redsocks
[13:30] <popey> evil plans are best plans
[13:31] <cjwatson> http://grokbase.com/t/ant/user/166fc12046/maven-ant-tasks-proxy-issue is one of the threads I mentioned and is somebody with essentially the same requirements we do
[13:31] <cjwatson> i.e. put a proxy in place without changing the actual project's build config
[17:02] <vidal72[m]> is something like this ok to be allowed on snapstore? https://snapcraft.io/juan-test-number-1
[19:40] <Luke> hey guys. is there a comprehensive doc on the $SNAP variables available for snapcraft?
[19:43] <Luke> hey guys. is there a comprehensive doc on the $SNAP variables available for snapcraft?
[19:44] <Luke> (sorry if I sent that twice, wasn't sure if I was online yet)
[19:49] <Luke> ah I found it!
[19:49] <Luke> https://docs.snapcraft.io/reference/env
[20:35] <Luke> how do I just copy a file form src into the install dir?
[20:37] <binarycreations> Hello there
[20:37] <Luke> hey
[20:38] <binarycreations> For better or worse I am running on Arch atm, trying to create my first snap. Followed the wiki to symlink /snap to the right location and read the same on the forum. However still can't install snapcraft as I am getting the --classic isn't supported error.
[20:40] <binarycreations> Listing snap --version gives me an Unknown version but the installed package is 2.26.1-3
[20:41] <binarycreations> Sorry I can't provide any more information.
[20:49] <binarycreations> Is there any way I can get more detailed logging or output from the snap command? More than happy to spend a bit of time walking through this a bit more
[21:00] <binarycreations> Okay, I have rebuilt the latest package from the AUR manually. The same error still exists
[21:09] <binarycreations> Okay... so re-installed the snap again, deleted existing snaps first and now that appears to have worked. Output from snap --version looks much better. snap and snapd report version 2.32.9-1, I will assume stupidity but perhaps there was an issue with older installation.
[21:09] <binarycreations> snap aur*


[15:34] <hggdh> folks, please see bug 1700373
[17:41] <hjd> Could someone please trigger a rebuild of jabref in artful? Not sure why it failed the last time, but it built successfully for me when I tried in a vm. TIA :)
[18:19] <ginggs> hjd: retrying
[23:10] <CasW> Hey guys, if I recall correctly, Ubuntu had a list of a hundred or a thousand "paper cuts", right? Do they still have that, and where would I be able to find it?


[06:00] <zhangtao> 1
[11:35] <enrico_> hi
[11:36] <enrico_> hi caraka
 Hii
 How can we help you?
[11:36] <enrico_> its a english chat?
 Yup!
[11:37] <enrico_> ok.
[11:38] <enrico_> not much going on here
 Same.
[11:39] <enrico_> Okay, I'm waiting: D
 Me too.
 XD
[11:39] <enrico_> :)
[11:39] <guiverc> enrico_, FYI: it's a Lubuntu Support room, chat should be in #lubuntu-offtopic
 Ouch!
[11:40] <enrico_> okay. ciao
 hrllo
 may i ask
 my lubuntu cantplay video from you tube
 @devikri [my lubuntu cantplay video from you tube], Your computer specs?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Your computer specs?], Intel celeron dual core with 2gb ram
 I have a simillar spec system. YouTube is a bit heavy so it will perform bad on your system. You can try the h264ify extension on chrome and Firefox tho. Will increase performance slightly.
 Also, try a lightweight browser like falkon.
 2gb is small ram for current browsing needs. Falkon could help, also, try running the youtube URL in VLC.
 I'd suggest adding a 4gb stick. If you can. Really revives the system.
[20:49] <Chemex> Test
[20:50] <kc2bez> Chemex: test passed
[20:51] <Chemex> thx


[00:08] <nixternal> jjesse: pingaling
[00:12] <jjesse> nixternal: pong a long a pong
[00:12] <jjesse> sorry was watching the terrible refering that was the oklahoma fiasco
[00:13] <nixternal> just seeing if you have checked out my changes to kde menus file
[00:13] <jjesse> when did you make the last change?
[00:13] <nixternal> all of the ones that were missing I have added, and also changed up the file a bit to make it easier and less tedious when creating new menu entities
[00:13] <jjesse> i think i synced last night
[00:14] <nixternal> timestamp: Wed 2009-03-18 21:40:28 -0500
[00:14] <nixternal> message: fixed all of the menus and created a new style with the menu stuff - take a look - everything validates and builds once again
[00:14] <jjesse> cool
[00:15] <nixternal> i was messing around and figured, shoot, the <guimenu>Application Launcher</guimenu><guisubmenu>Games</guisubmenu> portions could be replaced just by doing
[00:15] <nixternal> &malgms;
[00:15] <nixternal> or something like that
[00:15] <jjesse> nice
[00:15] <nixternal> ys, so now all you have to do is:
[00:16] <nixternal> <!ENTITY menufoo '<menuchoice>&malfoo;<guimenuitem>Bar</guimenuitem></menuchoice>'>
[00:17] <nixternal> I was hoping I didn't totally step on your toes there, but since you have been so busy, i went ahead and got that done and worked on completing a few topics...leaving about 10 or so to go through and clean up
[00:17] <jjesse> no owrries
[00:17] <jjesse> i need to actually do some work for kubuntu one of these days
[00:21] <jjesse> nixternal: monday the 30th i'll be at northwestern university, for monday, tuesday and heading back on wednesday, that anywhere near you?
[00:24] <nixternal> it is in evanston, about an hour away
[00:24] <nixternal> monday I have jury the 30th I have jury duty
[00:25] <nixternal> wth was that
[00:25] <nixternal> monday the 30th I have jury duty
[00:26] <nixternal> I have to see though, because one of those days we might be up that way because my neice is coming to town, and they live about 10 miles from northwestern
[00:26] <nixternal> that is where I went to school
[00:28] <jjesse> the week of april 13th i'll be in oak brook illionois
[00:28] <nixternal> that is right down the street
[00:30] <jjesse> cool, we should get together then the week of april 13th
[00:31] <nixternal> next week I need to get my presentations in order for the Flourish Conference
[00:31] <nixternal> man, I almost forgot that is now less than 2 weeks away
[00:33] <nixternal> bbiaf
[00:35] <vorian> ohmy
[03:39] <shtylman> anyone hear about UDS yet?
[03:40] <ScottK> Not /me
[06:44] <dtchen> shtylman: probably won't be until sometime mid-week
[06:51] <Lure> Riddell: this should be done as default, right? http://christianmangold.de/?p=62
[11:51] <Quintasan> Hi
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> Whoa, LP got ajax-y goodness for duping bugs.
[14:12] <cbr> what's linux-rt?
[14:16] <Tscheesy> Real-Time Kernel für Medibuntu
[14:38] <jussi01> !rt | cbr
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> huh, wonder when/why kde-style-qtcurve got promoted to main
[16:50] <Nightrose> woah nixternal !!!!
[16:50] <Nightrose> awesome @ rtm plasmoid
[16:50] <Nightrose> thanks for packaging
[16:50] <Nightrose> thx a lot
[21:06] <ghostcube> guys anything known about gspca bugs and 046d:0929 Logitech  chips
[21:06] <ghostcube> it loads fine but it doesnt start
[21:06] <ghostcube> spca gets loaded and all but the guy has no vid
[21:06] <ghostcube> iam triing to help but iam out of ideas
[21:08] <ghostcube> its 8.10 i dont find any useful hints
[21:08] <ghostcube> in 8.04 it worked fine
[21:28] <jpds> ghostcube: Try #ubuntu-kernel
[21:28] <ghostcube> oh thx
[21:28] <ghostcube> i havent known this channel
[22:56] <jussi01> this is nice! http://qiacat.blogspot.com/2009/03/kimpane-applet-ask-for-review.html
[23:28] <cbr> bah, i'll disable uxa again
[23:28] <cbr> too many strange things are happening


[01:04] <basketball> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1299653
[01:52] <trism> basketball: might be a conflict with gnome-settings-daemon and unity-settings-daemon...gnome-settings-daemon is trying to initialize gnome-shell stuff there, which you probably won't have in unity
[01:52] <trism> basketball: I don't have gnome-settings-daemon installed here, if you aren't using gnome-shell too you might want to remove it until this gets worked out
[02:08] <MaximumTimbo> I understand people here have been using 14.04? I was wondering if the screen dim bug was fixed?
[03:14] <basketball> trism,  i use gdm to login and unity as desktop enviroment
[03:28] <trism> basketball: hmm I just installed gnome-settings-daemon and it is not starting, is this an upgrade?
[03:29] <basketball> what do you mean
[03:29] <basketball> i installed gdm and made that the default
[03:33] <basketball> brb
[03:36] <basketball> back
[03:40] <trism> basketball: nope I installed gdm and it still isn't starting...my thinking was that you had an old conf file in your user dir starting gnome-settings-daemon...maybe in ~/.config/autostart/ or ~/.config/upstart/
[03:40] <trism> basketball: assuming it was an upgrade
[03:42] <trism> basketball: since /usr/share/upstart/gnome-settings-daemon.conf has start on INSTANCE=GNOME so really shouldn't be starting in unity from that
[03:43] <trism> basketball: not that gnome-settings-daemon should be crashing even if started in unity
[04:55] <savr> how do I upgrade to 14.04?
[04:56] <savr> from #ubuntu ...
[04:57] <Nothing_Much> savr: what are you running right now?
[04:57] <savr> 3.10
[04:57] <savr> :p
[04:57] <savr> 13.10
[04:57] <Nothing_Much> ah okay
[04:57] <Nothing_Much> savr: first backup your data
[04:57] <Nothing_Much> then in the terminal
[04:57] <Nothing_Much> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[04:58] <Nothing_Much> the -d represents the development version of ubuntu, which is currently 14.04 since it hasn't been released yet
[04:58] <savr> I don't back anything up
[04:58] <Nothing_Much> well okay, you don't have to, it's just a precaution
[04:58] <Nothing_Much> to back up
[04:58] <Nothing_Much> in the case that something goes wrong
[04:58] <savr> I live in the United States of 'murica
[04:58] <Nothing_Much> me too dude
[04:59] <savr> I can sue anyone!! yehaaa
[04:59] <Nothing_Much> nice
[04:59] <Nothing_Much> well the command is up there, so you can feel free to do so dude
[04:59] <savr> :)
[05:28] <AndChat27729> I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 and i get error on boot. Error symbol grub term highlight color not found. And im only able to enter grub rescue
[05:29] <AndChat27729> Any suggestions?
[06:32] <Guest55668> Hi all, I have a old rig with 3 GHz Singlecore CPU, 2GB RAM and ATI X1300 Pro card /HP dc7600 SFF/ which run 12.04.04 LTS perfect. Will ths be enough to run 14.04 LTS smooth, or I need to switch to lu/x/buntu? Thank You in advixe.
 I think you will be able to run it. When the 14.04 stable release comes out, just download it & run it from a live usb to test it just in case.
[06:47] <SwedeMike> Guest55668: yep, though you might want to put more memory on it, but I doubt 14.04 will have more system requirements, memory hogs like web browser should be the same on 12.04 and 14.04
[06:48] <Guest55668> ok thank you
[07:43] <Guest55668> bye
[10:46] <EddiX> Hi! I assume if I install the beta2, it will keep up-to-date and become "upgraded" to the official release? In other words, it uses the same repos as the final version? I have problems with my current openSUSE installation and would like to change distro asap, but wouldn't like to be bothered to upgrade or reinstall when the official release hits the mirrors.
[10:47] <bekks> EddiX: "Yes."
[10:49] <EddiX> bekks, Thanks! This is my main dev workstation in question, so I'm gonna install right away so that I'm up and running tomorrow. :)
[11:34] <tgrego> hi all
[11:34] <tgrego> Im trying to install 14.04 beta2 on a new laptop, but with no luck :(
[11:34] <lordievader> tgrego: Do you get errors?
[11:34] <bekks> Define "no luck" please.
[11:34] <tgrego> I think the issue is uefi
[11:35] <TJ-> tgrego: There isn't a package called "luck" :p
[11:35] <lordievader> Hihi
[11:35] <lordievader> Wish there was, would be usefull.
[11:35] <bekks> tgrego: why do you think that?
[11:35] <tgrego> when I install with legacy mode turned on in bios it completes with no issue, but I cant boot
[11:36] <penguin42> what do you mean by 'can't boot' - how far does it get?
[11:36] <TJ-> tgrego: Did/does the laptop have Windows 8.x on it?
[11:36] <tgrego> if I try to install using uefi, it fails installation in the grub part
[11:36] <tgrego> no, it has a blank hdd
[11:37] <penguin42> tgrego: Are you using a custom partition layout or did you let it do it?
[11:37] <bekks> tgrego: what was the exact error?
[11:37] <tgrego> I just bought if yesterday and it came with freeDOS
[11:37] <tgrego> I used a costum partition layout
[11:38] <penguin42> tgrego: There are some rules to the partition layout to work with efi, so I'm guessing you did something it didn't like - I'd try letting the default partition layout and see if it works first
[11:38] <bekks> !uefi
[11:38] <tgrego> ok thanks, ill read that and try again
[11:39] <TJ-> tgrego: Do you know which 'grub' part failed specifically? Did you look at the logs in the live/install environment
[11:39] <tgrego> indeed I did as I was used to... a /, a /home, and a swap... all primary partitions
[11:39] <TJ-> tgrego: Some buggy firmwares don't talk to efibootmgr too well
[11:44] <tgrego> im installing with default full drive install, ill keep the logs this time if it fails :) thanks
[11:45] <TJ-> tgrego: Remember, the logs I'm talking about are in the live environment. I believe some of them are copied to the installed system, but not necessarily the ones containing the EFI info. I'd suggest not rebooting after doing the install, but switching to a terminal so you can check the installation.
[11:45] <TJ-> tgrego: Also, I'd recommend doing the UEFI mode install --- which means ensuring the liveISO device boots in EFI mode
[11:47] <tgrego> im installing from usb, and it is in uefi mode, but i was going for the legacy mode
[11:47] <tgrego> will restart then in uefi mode, thanks
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:30] <ice9> in 14.04 I still see the windows corners are not smooth
[13:42] <Daekdroom> ice9, can you provide a screenshot
[13:44] <ice9> ok Daekdroom
[13:44] <ice9> Daekdroom: where to paste it?
[13:45] <Daekdroom> ice9, http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[13:47] <ice9> oh after I installed kubuntu desktop on 14.04 unity can't search applications
[13:48] <penguin42> hmm that's odd, installing another desktop shouldn't break the other one
[13:49] <ice9> even the gtk theme is broken, I had to set the gtk-theme in kde to ambience
[13:51] <ice9> Daekdroom: http://imagebin.org/302691
[13:55] <Daekdroom> ice9, it looks alright to me.
[14:08] <ice9> Daekdroom: but the top corner is not smooth
[14:20] <ice9> libreoffice doesn't have windows title bar http://imagebin.org/302698
[14:38] <arianit> hi, after updating from 13.10, I'm missing Unity login option
[14:38] <arianit> any idea?
[14:39] <ice9> arianit: what options do you have in the login screen?
[14:39] <ice9> tracker-extract and tracker-miner-fs are doing a lot of disk IO which is slowing down my system
[14:40] <BluesKaj> drop to a virtual terminal/tty , ctl+alt+F1-F6 login, then update and upgrade
[14:40] <xubuntu_> In 14.04, can network manager share eth0 internet via wi-fi in AP mode (not ad-hoc)?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> arianit,^
[14:41] <xubuntu_> seems it can't.. :(
[14:42] <arianit> ice9, gnome plus 2 gnome flashbacks
[14:42] <BluesKaj> xubuntu_, not simultaneously
[14:42] <arianit> BluesKaj, thanks, I'll try
[14:43] <BluesKaj> one or the other
[14:43] <BluesKaj> but not both
[14:43] <xubuntu_> BluesKaj, how to get it to use AP mode?
[14:45] <xubuntu_> it will save time spent on hostapd setup
[14:46] <xubuntu_> hostapd+dnsmasq+ip forwarding/masquerading+..
[14:46] <BluesKaj> xubuntu_, AP on the router is the default for wifi afaik , what mode are you using ?
[14:50] <xubuntu_> new wifi-conn -> enter ssid, infrastructure selected by default -> ipv4(shared to others) -> ipv6 ignore->save.  Try connecting to the new connection.... fails
[14:52] <xubuntu_> Seems like NetworkManager is searching for an AP instead of becoming one.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do for 30 mins or so
[14:53] <lordievader> xubuntu_: For as far as I know you need something like hostapd to run an access point.
[14:56] <xubuntu_> lordievader, this has been implemented in NM, isn't it? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot#Release_Notes
[14:56] <lordievader> Hmm, I might be simply outdated ;)
[15:06] <xubuntu_> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=118245  Network Manager AP Mode
[15:11] <pietro10> Hi. Just wnated to thank whoever maintains the KDE packages for finally applying http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/170f7b9aaeda32422e0df79e9963dbaabf0c31ee to kde-window-manager (I reported the bug that led to it). Now I just have to get used to my mouse working as it should again ;) Thanks!
[15:15] <xubuntu_> NetworkManager 0.9.8 release note says "..support for AP-mode mobile hotspot (if your driver supports it),..."
[15:15] <xubuntu_> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2013-February/msg00156.html
[15:17] <xubuntu_> 14.04 beta2 has network-manager <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5 and my driver supports AP-mode, yet NM doesn't give the choice of AP-mode
[15:20] <xubuntu_> oh, so GUI is still not updated. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2013-April/msg00100.html
[16:34] <pikimeister> quick noob question, how can i add shortcuts (custom folders) to Files left pane?
[16:41] <penguin42> hmm, is that what it calls bookmarks?
[16:42] <pikimeister> probably
[16:51] <pikimeister> solved. "add bookmark" from Bookmark menu.
[17:48] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm thinking about doing 13.10 - 14.04 upgrade. anyone want to caution against it? I'm an experienced user, but haven't read much about it yet.
[17:50] <Beldar> Seven_Six_Two, There are some general rhetoric on a development upgrade, seems you know them, anything else is an opinion.
[17:52] <Seven_Six_Two> Beldar, good to know. I was looking for specifics, but I understand the risks
[17:52] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks
[17:52] <Seven_Six_Two> I don't suppose wayland is featured?
[17:55] <capoderra> is there a way to search a list of packages that will be available in the trust repos?
[17:55] <Beldar> Seven_Six_Two, Pretty much same risk as any OS works or is bricked and all areas in between, so be backed up. ;)
[18:18] <Seven_Six_Two> alright. I'm going to be brave. If I don't come back, send out a search party with a bootable usb key.
[19:24] <ggreer> I have this guy's exact problem with 14.04: http://fujii.github.io/2014/03/02/thinkpad-edge-e145-backlight-brightness-issue/
[19:24] <ggreer> by default, backlight OSD "works" (goes up and down) but the brightness doesn't change at all
[19:25] <ggreer> I have a similar model laptop to him. the lenovo x140e. apparently they changed some of the default specs and shipped it as the e145 overseas
[19:26] <ggreer> anyway, if I set my boot params to acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor I get his behavior: dmesg says the thinkpad acpi module detected a backlight just fine, but the OSD gets stuck and brightness won't change
[19:27] <ggreer> and everything in /sys/class/backlight/thinkpad_screen/ is rather unresponsive or lies about values
[19:30] <ggreer> this is really annoying because the brightness gets stuck at maximum and my battery life sucks
[19:30] <ggreer> also it's obnoxiously bright in low light
[19:43] <lordievader> ggreer: Does the xbacklight utility still work?
[19:43] <ggreer> it's not installed
[19:43]  * ggreer tries
[19:43] <ggreer> I'm going to guess no
[19:45] <ggreer> hmm... it doesn't seem to print out anything
[19:45] <angelica> I'm having a problem with being returned to the login screen after I login... not having the problem with the guest account (it logs in fine)
[19:45] <angelica> Just got done installing the nvidia drivers in tty1 with their run package
[19:46] <ggreer> it doesn't print anything out and running xbacklight -set 50 doesn't change the brightness
[19:46] <ggreer> or -set 1 or -set 100
[19:47] <lordievader> ggreer: Right, figured that would be the case. Have you set acpi kernel parameters?
[19:47] <ggreer>  acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor
[19:47] <ggreer> it's the exact same behavior as the post I linked to
[19:48] <ggreer> without acpi_osi=Linux, the thinkpad_acpi module doesn't detect that I have a backlight
[19:48] <ggreer> and ubuntu uses the generic acpi backlight, which doesn't do anything
[19:50] <lordievader> ggreer: Hmm, I don't really know what to do about it.
[19:50] <ggreer> yeah, me neither. I'm totally stumped
[19:50] <ggreer> it sucks because it makes my laptop rather useless as laptop. battery life is only 6 hours in ubuntu while it's 9 in windows
[19:51] <ggreer> and I can't use it at night without practically blinding myself
[19:52] <ggreer> other people seem to have the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191012
[19:58] <ggreer> both the x140e and e145 claim to be certified with a preinstalled image from the manufacturer. neither can be ordered with ubuntu preinstalled, and neither work out of the box with any version of ubuntu :/
[19:58] <ggreer> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201309-14195/ and http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201305-13630/
[20:00] <angelica> anyone able to help me diagnose a login issue?
[20:06] <angelica> getting a weird situation where when I enter my password the screen goes black, nvidia icon flashes then it returns me to the login screen
[20:09] <trism> angelica: you could try switching to a tty and deleting ~/.Xauthority, this kind of thing happens when it gets owned by root
[20:11] <angelica> trism, yup... owned by root.  deleting now
[20:12] <angelica> trism, Awesome!!! Thanks!
[20:27] <MidnightDevil> Hi
[20:27] <MidnightDevil> Can I still install the gnome shell?
[20:27] <MidnightDevil> In the latest 14.04?
[20:27] <Beldar> MidnightDevil, the full shell install is called  ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:28] <Beldar> you get the gnome desktop splash, yipeee
[20:29] <MidnightDevil> Uh, but that isn't the same as gnome-shell, right ?
[20:29] <MidnightDevil> or I can install the ubunto-gnome-desktop although I'm using the 14.04 ? This release does not have the full shell ?
[20:29] <Beldar> thats what it's been called since at least saucy
[20:30] <Beldar> you can just use gnome-shell and get it
[20:30] <Beldar>  ubuntu-gnome-desktop*
[20:30] <MidnightDevil> Well, to be honest I wanted to switch the side bar by a start menu (: and use some plugins like gnome shell did.
[20:32] <MidnightDevil> uh, one little thing, how do i fix broken packages?
[20:32] <MidnightDevil> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:32] <MidnightDevil>  ubuntu-gnome-desktop : Depends: gnome-icon-theme-extras but it is not going to be installed
[20:33] <trism> MidnightDevil: do you not have universe enabled?
[20:33] <Beldar> something has been modified or a repo is closed I don't have the patience to dig through your OS to be honest. ;)
[20:37] <MidnightDevil> I do.
[20:38] <trism> MidnightDevil: have you run an: sudo apt-get update; yet?
[20:38] <trism> !info gnome-icon-theme-extras
[20:39] <MidnightDevil> I did, give me just a sec, gonna run it again.
[20:39] <MidnightDevil> Just did, same thing
[20:39] <ice9> MidnightDevil: gnome-shell will break some things in Unity
[20:39] <trism> MidnightDevil: after that check: apt-cache policy gnome-icon-theme-extras; to see if it is there, if it is, try installing it to see why it isn't installing: sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme-extras;
[20:40] <trism> MidnightDevil: if it isn't you must not have universe enabled so check out: software-properties-gtk; and make sure the universe box is checked
[20:41] <MidnightDevil> Gonna use pastebin, but yes, it's installed trism
[20:41] <MidnightDevil> Erm, no; "Installed: (none)
[20:41] <MidnightDevil> This means not installed I guess (?)
[20:42] <MidnightDevil> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:42] <MidnightDevil>  gnome-icon-theme-extras : Depends: gnome-icon-theme (>= 3.12) but 3.10.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[20:42] <MidnightDevil> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:42] <MidnightDevil> They are all checked.
[20:42] <MidnightDevil> Maybe gonna do a reboot :b
[20:42] <trism> MidnightDevil: oh I see, hmm, looks like a bug then
[20:42] <MidnightDevil> Well
[20:43] <trism> the gnome-icon-theme-extras package may need updating or dropping from the ubuntu-gnome-desktop seed
[20:43] <ice9> windows corner looks smooth on an old 14 monitor but on the HD laptop screen it's not
[20:43] <MidnightDevil> To be honest, I miss the mouse on corner to see all windows / app menu on top, if I could get those on unity there no need to get gnome-shell
[20:44] <MidnightDevil> ice9, not related to refresh rate I hope? (:
[20:45] <trism> ahh there is a new one in -proposed, 3.12, so probably be fixed soon
[20:45] <MidnightDevil> So, no "plugins" for unity right ?
[20:45] <trism> MidnightDevil: if you just wanted a minimal gnome shell you could install gnome-shell and gnome-session
[20:46] <trism> MidnightDevil: there are probably some compiz settings to get hot corners like that
[20:46] <trism> MidnightDevil: you could check out the settings in compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:46] <MidnightDevil> I know trism , but not the menu thing
[20:46] <MidnightDevil> And to be honest I was avoiding using compiz, a little buggy with flash and stuff
[20:47] <MidnightDevil> Some glitches
[20:47] <MidnightDevil> I'm gonna give it a go to gnome-shell
[20:47] <MidnightDevil> I have to install gnome-session as well ?
[20:48] <trism> MidnightDevil: if you are using unity you are using compiz, (except maybe unity8 I guess)
[20:48] <trism> MidnightDevil: yeah it has the xsession files so you can log in from lightdm/gdm
[20:48] <MidnightDevil> Alright, gonna put those, thanks trism
[20:48] <MidnightDevil> brb
[21:26] <SorenHolm> Hi
[21:27] <SorenHolm> The environmentvariable  QT_VERSION is set on my system. Where is it set - basically I want to avoid it.
[21:30] <trism> SorenHolm: isn't set here on a clean install, maybe you set it previously in ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile? otherwise maybe check out /etc/profile.d/ to see if something is setting it
[21:31] <trism> SorenHolm: which desktop?
[21:32] <SorenHolm> trism: kde - it's some qt crap. And it's not in my local-script. It's only set on desktop logins. So some kde-thing does it. The only problem is that I do not know which one. Currently I'm grepping *all* files ti try to find the sinner :)
[22:23] <darkangel> Curious* If there is any Broken Package or package that is effecting other packages from getting installed should it be Reported?
[22:57] <odium> hi, my wireless device only functions in kubuntu beta release. can I expect it to work in ubuntu's?
[22:58] <rww> odium: they use the same kernel, so yes
[22:59] <odium> awesome
[22:59] <odium> I owe you all
[22:59] <odium> I don't have anything to offer so I will continue to owe until some day.
[23:01] <odium> I made ashtrays out of old hard drives. O_o they're kinda neat
[23:22] <TJ-> odium: Doesn't the ash fly out as they spin? :D
[23:24] <odium> lol.
[23:24] <odium> I just randomly said hi to my neighbor and he said oh I have something for you.. Omg, he just gifted me a beaglebone - it's a tiny computer!
[23:25] <TJ-> Yeah, they're really cool for hacking with
[23:25] <odium> I have a cubieboard, a raspi, linux on a goflex and now one of these! all with no money in my pocket what's that?!?
[23:27] <TJ-> Well if you get hungry, you can always eat the chips :)
[23:27] <odium> lol. I has food stamps for chips
[23:28] <TJ-> Time to get hacking on something useful :)
[23:28] <onca> what should I do with it? I wonder. I have to tap it's potential
[23:33] <dante123> hi all, trying to install google chrome on trusty tahr and its not working
[23:33] <dante123> any ideas?
[23:37] <Beldar> dante123, How are you installing? not working means little is all.
[23:39] <dante123> downloaded it from google site, double clicked deb, software center starts, click install, does not install some message that basically says it didnt install
[23:39] <Beldar> dante123, This might be helpful. http://www.enqlu.com/2014/03/how-to-install-google-chrome-on-ubuntu.html
[23:39] <dante123> im retrying the download in case there was something wrong with deb file
[23:41] <Beldar> dante123, In genral I prefer gdebi for deb installs, but the link should help.
[23:42] <dante123> exact wording from attempt to install by double clicking and then software center is "The installation or mreoval of a software package failed."
[23:43] <dante123> I can try CLI no problem, but you'd think the route i took first should work.
[23:45] <dante123> retried the download, still did not install.  Now trying CLI commands
[23:47] <dante123> CLI worked, but this needs to be fixed before the actual release.  Newbies should be able to download direct from google and install without using cli.
[23:47] <Beldar> dante123, Do you have a broken install or package, what does a update and upgrade show in the terminal?
[23:47] <dante123> CLI method outlined here http://www.enqlu.com/2014/03/how-to-install-google-chrome-on-ubuntu.html worked
[23:48] <dante123> I'm just saying that a direct download from google's site ALSO needs to work without newbies needing to go the CLI method before final release.  Just my $0.02 cents worth.
[23:48] <Beldar> usually does, never had a fail here.
[23:49] <dante123> Well, I'm reporting that downloading it twice and trying to install by double clicking on the deb file for 64bit Ubuntu 14.04 latest beta FAILS.
[23:50] <dante123> Actual message from withing Ubuntu Software Center is : "The installation or mreoval of a software package failed."
[23:50] <dante123> Beldar, update in terminal went fine.
[23:52] <dante123> ran it again and this time got message
[23:52] <dante123> Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[23:53] <dante123> but i can fix that by deleting one of the sources via software sources
[23:53] <Beldar> dante123, Yes, since you attempted multiple installs, open software sources and untick the extra google repo.
[23:53] <Beldar> you git it
[23:54] <Beldar> got*
[23:54] <dante123> yeah got it
[23:54] <dante123> will run update again
[23:54] <Beldar> cool, enjoy
[23:54] <dante123> ok thanks
[23:54] <dante123> all was good that time
[23:55] <dante123> i need to add a custom entry for grub2, which file is it that i edit for that and where is it located?
[23:56] <Beldar> dante123, What kind of entry?
[23:56] <dante123> for android x86
[23:57] <dante123> i have win 7, ubuntu and android x86 kit kat rc1 on here
[23:57] <Beldar> dante123, This a boot addition to the kernel, what for android, I have 2 android devices, and no changes in ubuntu.
[23:57] <dante123> but you have to manually add the android entry to grub2
[23:57] <dante123> android x86......Kit Kat version that runs on intel
[23:57] <dante123> pc
[23:58] <Beldar> dante123, Ah you have it installed on the PC?
[23:58] <dante123> it works, i had it running before but I forgot where i added the entry.
[23:58] <dante123> I should have backed up the custom file before installing trusty tahr but I forgot
[23:58] <Beldar> dante123, sudo update-grub does not add it to the menu?
[23:58] <TJ-> dante123: You can add the file /boot/grub/custom.cfg" to statically add entries without having to do anything special. The "/etc/grub.d/41_custom" ensures that file is sourced if it exists
[23:59] <dante123> No it does not.  Because the android x86 uses old grub
[23:59] <dante123> ok TJ thanks
[23:59] <TJ-> dante123: "old grub" - you mean Grub 1.x rather than 2.x ?
[23:59] <dante123> yes


[05:18] <elky> dreaman finally responds to tell me i'm a crazy romanian but promising to not join. i'm not holding my breath on that one.
[06:14] <elky> Fuchs: i get the feeling that chelz is someone we've moved on before but i can't figure who
[06:16] <Fuchs> 50 week old account, so ...
[06:16] <elky> certainly hasn't been in -ot that long
[06:16] <elky> at least not active there
[06:17] <Fuchs> at least I didn't notice them until now. But that was just one odd line
[06:17] <Fuchs> (but then I don't pay much attention to #ubuntu-*, so I might have missed some)
[06:19] <elky> joined late feb, said one line between then and late march and has been saying random stuff since then
[06:20] <elky> capable of conversations, but then there's the random stuff-that-belongs-on-twitter
[06:22]  * elky shrugs