[00:00] <Galaxor> I get a black screen when trying to play video using Xv.  I can switch it to native X11 video just fine, and that's how I've been playing videos.  I've got enough cpu that it hasn't yet been an issue.  Still...
[00:02] <Galaxor> Oh, that was weird.  It was just that my contrast was set to -1000 in nvidia-settings.  I wonder how it got like that.  Oh well, that's fixed.
[00:02] <Galaxor> And that concludes the bugs.  My new computer now works perfectly.
[01:02] <RAOF> Sarvatt|gone: That's a fine idea, too.
[02:38] <bryceh> heya RAOF
[02:44] <RAOF> bryceh: Howdie
[05:03] <artfwo> Hello! I've stumbled upon a bug (actually 2 bugs), introduced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-6ubuntu1. Could anyone experienced take a look?
[05:03] <artfwo> Bugs in question are bug 41301 and bug 583312
[05:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 41301 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Mouse clicks stop working sporadically (affects: 41) (dups: 5) (heat: 270)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41301
[05:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 583312 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Left mouse clicks not being processed (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583312
[05:03] <artfwo> Downgrading to xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-6build1 solves the problem for me
[05:06] <RAOF> Hm, interesting.
[05:11] <artfwo> I'm almost certain, that the bug is introduced in debian/100-fix-touchup-problem-on-touchpads.patch
[05:12] <artfwo> because it does something with switching absolute/relative axes, and my mouse works with absolute axes, judging by Xorg.0.log
[05:12] <artfwo> but axes have nothing to do with buttons on the other hand, weird
[05:12] <RAOF> Indeed :)
[05:14] <artfwo> while I was experiencing the bug, switching mice actually helped
[05:14] <artfwo> here's what happens, when I plug in the "buggy" mouse http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/487615/
[05:15] <artfwo> and this is Xorg.0.log for "working" mouse http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/487616/
[05:16] <artfwo> anyway, A4tech mouse worked okay without the latest patch
[05:24] <artfwo> I'm thinking of perhaps opening a new bug report for the Maverick behaviour, is it reasonable?
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes, I think so.
[05:26] <RAOF> 20 mouse buttons!!!
[05:27] <artfwo> there are actually only 6 + the wheel :)
[05:28] <RAOF> I wonder if that's actually a kernel problem, then.
[05:29] <RAOF> I guess it shouldn't be, if switching evdev versions fixes it.
[05:31] <artfwo> well, the ubuntu patch could introduce a dependency on "kernel stuff done right"
[05:32] <artfwo> and in turn, triggered a bug, because of a kernel problem
[05:45] <RAOF> Hm.
[05:46] <RAOF> Your A4tech thing is a mouse, not a touchpad, isn't it.
[05:46] <RAOF> And you've only got one of them, right?
[05:47] <artfwo> right
[05:47] <artfwo> but the laptop has built-in touchpad
[05:51] <RAOF> It looks like X thinks both /dev/input/event12 and /dev/input/event13 are the A4Tech thingy.
[05:54] <artfwo> also /dev/input/js1 and dev/input/mouse3
[06:06] <RAOF> js1?
[06:06] <artfwo> js* are the joysticks
[06:06] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[06:07] <RAOF> And you've got one of those plugged in, I presume.
[06:09] <artfwo> no
[06:11] <artfwo> with all the USB stuff unplugged, I still get [ 15360.722] (II) config/udev: Adding input device A4Tech USB Full Speed (/dev/input/js0)
[06:11] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:11] <artfwo> looks like the mouse is detected as mouse, keyboard and joystick simultaneously
[06:12] <RAOF> And with 37 axes, and 20 buttons.
[06:12] <artfwo> but that seems unrelated, because my external USB keyboard also produces lines like [ 15468.588] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard (/dev/input/js1)
[06:12] <artfwo> when plugged in
[06:13] <artfwo> and... [ 15468.581] (II) Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard: Found 20 mouse buttons
[06:13] <RAOF> What does “udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/input/js1” say?
[06:14] <artfwo> RAOF, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/487633/
[06:15] <RAOF> Your keyboard doesn't happen to have a joystick-like thing on it?
[06:15] <artfwo> only a scrollwheel
[06:16] <artfwo> but the bug above happens without the keyboard, that's for sure
[06:16] <artfwo> *with or without
[06:18] <RAOF> Things just appear weird.
[06:18] <RAOF> Do you have the a4tech device plugged in now?
[06:18] <artfwo> yes, with evdev downgraded
[06:19] <RAOF> What event node is it?
[06:19] <RAOF> And can you grab the udevadm info for it?
[06:20] <artfwo> I can, but for which device - js0?
[06:20] <artfwo> here it is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/487635/
[06:21] <RAOF> And, just for the record, this is a pure mouse, right?
[06:21] <RAOF> The fact that it's got ID_INPUT_KEYBOARD=1 set is a total lie?
[06:21] <artfwo> I guess so
[06:21] <artfwo> the mouse hasn't any builtin keyboard
[06:22] <artfwo> if I query /dev/input/mouse0 this string goes away
[06:22] <RAOF> Ah.
[06:24] <RAOF> And I'd wager that one of the (many!) /dev/input nodes has ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD=1 set.
[06:24] <artfwo> /dev/input/mouse2 has it
[06:25] <RAOF> And is the A4tech mouse?
[06:25] <artfwo> no
[06:25] <artfwo> I think it's the builtin touchpad
[06:25] <RAOF> It's your honest-to-goodness touchpad?
[06:25] <artfwo> right
[06:30] <RAOF> None of the patches in evdev look particularly suspicious.
[06:31] <RAOF> This only starts happening after some period of time, yes?
[06:32] <RAOF> Not straight after startup?
[06:32] <artfwo> yes, in an absolutely random, but rather short period
[06:33] <artfwo> I think it's most often triggered by chromium and empathy windows, but also happens in nautilus and gimp
[06:36] <artfwo> the system is absolutely unusable afterwards. it behaves like the left mouse button is down all the time
[06:36] <artfwo> keeps selecting bunches of text, or dragging the windows
[06:36] <artfwo> right & middle continue to work, as well as the wheel
[06:37] <artfwo> I can alt+tab between windows, catch events in xev, etc.
[06:37] <artfwo> unplugging the mouse and clicking left button on the touchpad returns everything to normal
[06:59] <RAOF> artfwo: What architecture are you on?  I'd like to prepare a couple of packages to see which patch is breaking for you.
[07:59] <artfwo> RAOF, x86
[08:00]  * RAOF updates his i386 chroot
[08:12] <RAOF> artfwo: http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.3.2-6ubuntu2~notouchupfix_i386.deb is a first hack at it.
[08:12] <artfwo> RAOF, installing right now
[08:15] <artfwo> RAOF, your package made the bug reappear almost immediately
[08:16] <RAOF> Ok; second one without gesture support.
[08:24] <RAOF> artfwo: http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.3.2-6ubuntu2~nogestures_i386.deb
[08:25] <artfwo> okay, let me restart X...
[08:27] <artfwo> RAOF, it looks like everything's okay now
[13:41] <ScottK> Now I understand why my mini 10v looks like crap on Kubuntu Maverick: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/09/driver-dilemma-in-kde-workspaces-4-5/
[13:42] <ScottK> Any suggestions on how to usefully file bugs/troubleshoot compositing problems for this?
[13:43] <jcristau> get the kde people to talk to mesa driver devs?
[13:45] <ScottK> Unlikely to provide much relief on the maverick timeline.
[13:45] <jcristau> *shrug*
[13:54] <tseliot> ScottK: I think you can switch to Xrender instead of OpenGL for compositing (as a temporary workaround)
[13:55] <ScottK> tseliot: Thanks.  I'll try that.
[14:07] <Sarvatt> every time I read this guys blog I get the impression he thinks everyone not using nvidia proprietary drivers is doing it wrong :)
[14:09] <Sarvatt> and that its just a matter of getting drivers ready to do opengl 2.0 and not a hardware limitation of hardware thats still shipping today
[14:11] <jcristau> Sarvatt: and that driver bugs get fixed out of thin air, without anybody reporting issues to the devs
[14:11] <Sarvatt> yeah especially that
[14:13] <ScottK> tseliot: Much better.  Thanks.
[14:14] <tseliot> ScottK: np
[14:14] <Sarvatt> ScottK: can ya describe "looks like crap"?
[14:14] <tseliot> no desktop effects
[14:14] <tseliot> and KDE doesn't look extremely good without them
[14:15] <Sarvatt> oh they were just disabled completely? they added all that fallback infrastructure and only made it do GL->off instead of falling back to xrender?
[14:15] <tseliot> yep
[14:15] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Yes and then when I enable them manually the screen suffers from flashes and incomplete rendering.
[14:16] <Sarvatt> ScottK: it would be interesting if you could try this with gl composting - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/mesa
[14:16] <ScottK> Is there anything we can do about getting it to fall back to xrender?  Compositing is pretty essential for the Plasma Netbook interface.
[14:16] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Sure.  That machine is expendable.
[14:26] <ScottK> Sarvatt: That machine had an X crash on logout too (945gme).  Could that be affected by the same issue we tested on 865 yesterday?
[14:26] <Sarvatt> ScottK: yup
[14:28] <Sarvatt> I've been struggling with fixing that patch but haven't had any luck yet, planning on spending all day today on it
[14:35] <Sarvatt> oh joy, the blacklists for broken features in KDE specifically don't include -devel in the mesa version string so that mesa might not work right even if it will once its released. if only we could get an RC here soon :(
[14:38] <Sarvatt> it looks like the only things that work right basically are proprietary drivers, nouveau, i965+ intel if you specifically blacklist blur, r300-r500 ati using gallium only and r600+ ati from mesa git
[14:40] <ScottK> Interesting experience.
[14:40] <ScottK> It seems like things are slower, but much smoother than the current mesa.
[14:40] <Sarvatt> KDE 4.6 is going to be even worse no doubt since it's going opengl 3 that no free drivers implement and backwards compatability isn't planned until 4.7? wow
[14:41] <ScottK> Sigh.
[14:42] <Sarvatt> interesting. I thought opengl compositing didn't work at all in 7.8.2?
[14:43] <ScottK> It was slow enough that I had to disable functionality checks to keep it from disabling effects for being too slow.
[14:43] <ScottK> No flickering though
[14:43] <ScottK> Actually after rebooting, its
[14:43] <Sarvatt> that was with mesa 7.9 that you had to do that?
[14:43] <ScottK> much better.
[14:44] <ScottK> Whatever was in your ppa
[14:45] <ScottK> Actually after rebooting instead of logging out, crashing X, and restarting it's quite snappy
[14:46] <ScottK> Large blurs will still cause it to suspend effects, but other than that, works reasonably well.
[14:47] <Sarvatt> what I have in that PPA is what we have in git and are going to try to file a FFe to get into maverick, it fixes quite a lot of bugs. it's due out in final release form by the end of september (and I'm very confident it will hit release on time) but there isn't a release candidate yet :(
[14:47] <Sarvatt> ScottK: that should be fixed once there is a release candidate of it so the version string doesn't say -devel, it's not applying the blacklist to fix blur because of that from what I'm reading
[14:48] <ScottK> OK.  That's cool.
[14:48] <ScottK> Feel free to mention Bug #628930 in your FFe request.
[14:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628930 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Desktop effects not active by default (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628930
[14:49] <Sarvatt> ScottK: thanks, I was just going to ask if you knew of any bugs
[14:49] <Sarvatt> RAOF: ^
[15:13] <ScottK> Sarvatt: With just blur disabled and your new mesa the system works well again.  I think on the Kubuntu end of things we will pursue disabling just blur by default on netbooks (netbooks will ~all be affected by this).  That and your planned mesa update should get us into a releasable state.
[15:16] <Sarvatt> ScottK: thats a good idea in general, the blur only works properly on proprietary drivers apparently and that guy didn't want to disable that feature globally because he thinks the majority of people use those where it works :)
[15:17] <ScottK> There was about a week where it worked on intel.
[15:18] <Sarvatt> 965+ or your 945?
[15:18] <ScottK> 945
[15:18] <ScottK> He changed something between KDE 4.5 RC and final that killed it.
[15:19] <ScottK> I marked that bug to also affect mesa, FYI, so you have something to fix too.
[15:19] <Sarvatt> it's glsl only so I can't see how it ever worked on 945, hmm
[15:20] <ScottK> Dunno.  I sometimes have low standards for 'worked' when running the development release.
[15:26] <Sarvatt> wow, there are an amazing amount of INTEL_DEBUG env variables in mesa
[16:47] <Sarvatt> RAOF: oh sheesh, it's X: ../../dix/pixmap.c:118: AllocatePixmap: Assertion `pScreen->totalPixmapSize > 0' failed. breaking sandybridge, didn't we have this problem before?
[16:48] <Sarvatt> oh hmm, i'm on the 31st iteration of screwing with 101_copy-fb.patch, best check with stock before I say that :)
[17:18] <ScottK> Sarvatt: mgraesslin says opengl 3 in KDE 4.7 and they aren't dropping any backward compatibility stuff in 4.6.
[17:32] <seb128> bryceh, hi there
[17:32] <seb128> bryceh, http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html
[17:32] <seb128> do you have an updated version of that?
[17:35] <Sarvatt> seb128: http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html
[17:35] <bryceh> yeah sorry, I need to get rid of that old link
[17:36] <bryceh> Sarvatt, sorry I've not yet fixed up that graph...  totally forgot, been mesmerized by launchpad->bugzilla work
[17:37] <Sarvatt> bryceh: no worries at all man! it's not important or anything
[17:48] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Would you please have a look at http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/07/blacklisting-drivers-for-some-kwin-effects/ and give me a hand figuring out how to describe i945gme to blacklist the blur effect?
[17:59] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, will there be nouveau gallium3d in maverick?
[17:59] <Sarvatt> ScottK: can you blacklist wildcards? :) I bet he doesn't want that
[17:59] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: it is already, libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[18:00] <ScottK> Sarvatt: No idea.  I'd like to at least get mini 10v blacklisted properly.
[18:02] <Sarvatt> ugh, really stinks that its so strict, you can break it just using driconf that way :(
[18:03] <Sarvatt> ScottK: you get it from the OpenGL renderer: line of the glxinfo output
[18:05] <Sarvatt> i dont have 7.8.2 installed at the moment to give you an exact one
[18:05] <ScottK> Of course I don't either ....
[18:05]  * ScottK will revert first.
[18:06] <Sarvatt> oh there's a comment in the blog - grep KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion ~/.xsession-errors
[18:06] <Sarvatt> the GL renderer and GL version strings
[18:07] <Sarvatt> sudo ppa-purge -p mesa sarvatt will do it
[18:07] <Sarvatt> dont have to reboot to get the info
[18:10] <ScottK> OK.  Back in a few.  Now distracted by another task.
[18:10] <apparle> are video memory and gart size or different?
[18:10] <Sarvatt> [Blacklist][Blur]
[18:10] <Sarvatt> Intel=Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME GEM 20100328 2010Q1:-:1.4 Mesa 7.8.2
[18:10] <Sarvatt> [Blacklist][Lanczos]
[18:10] <Sarvatt> Intel=Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME GEM 20100328 2010Q1:-:1.4 Mesa 7.8.2
[18:11] <apparle> how to check what is my current video memory size (on board GPU)?
[18:55] <Sarvatt> ScottK: this is absolutely frigging ridiculous but here you go - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/kdeblacklist.txt
[18:55] <Sarvatt> thats *just* intel and *just* mesa 7.8.2
[18:55] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Thanks.
[18:56] <Sarvatt> GM45 is a weird one and affected by locale..
[18:56] <Sarvatt> Intel=Mesa DRI Mobile IntelÂ® GM45 Express Chipset GEM 20100328 2010Q1 x86/MMX/SSE2:-:2.1 Mesa 7.8.2 is what it should look like
[18:56] <Sarvatt> plus you have to duplicate every renderer string for every arch
[18:56] <Sarvatt> since it doesnt show x86/MMX/SSE2 on x64
[18:58] <Sarvatt> I dont think it'd be wrong at all to just disable it globally and let people enable it themselves if they want it even if upstream doesn't want that, just my opinion though
[18:58] <ScottK> I was about to ask about that.
[19:01] <Sarvatt> that way is so fragile, i can get 3 different opengl versions reported on 945GME by changing driconf values
[19:05] <ScottK> Next time I see him online, I'll ask him about it.
[19:51] <ScottK> Sarvatt: What's the correct ppa-purge incantation for your mesa ppa?
[19:51]  * ScottK has never used it before
[19:51] <Sarvatt> sudo ppa-purge -p mesa sarvatt
[19:51] <ScottK> Thanks
[19:52] <Sarvatt> or sudo ppa-purge ppa:sarvatt/mesa
[19:52] <Sarvatt> tormod added the ppa: handling, I forget its there
[20:02] <Sarvatt> RAOF: I really am drawing blanks here about this 101_copy-fb.patch. What do you think about just disabling it in the interim until we can get it fixed up? ScottK has confirmed it's screwing up server regeneration on other chipsets as well as it is now. (bug #628077)
[20:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628077 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i865] Crash on logout with KDM (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628077
[20:04] <ScottK> Sarvatt: I asked mgraesslin to join us to discuss the blacklist.
[20:05] <ScottK> Hello mgraesslin.
[20:05] <ScottK> Sarvatt is the one that proposed that blacklist based on our testing and your blog post.
[20:05] <ScottK> Sarvatt: mgraesslin says he doesnt think it needs to be so extensive.
[20:05] <Sarvatt> Heyo! I'm really not the right person to discuss it with, the people in#dri-devel would be much more knowledgeable about it :)
[20:06] <mgraesslin> yeah the blog post is unfortunately incomplete
[20:06] <mgraesslin> e.g. Intel=20100328 2010Q1:-:7.8.2 will work, too
[20:06] <Sarvatt> ScottK: I just added every intel string from mesa to the list for future reference, wasn't suggesting using all of that
[20:06] <ScottK> Sarvatt: OK.
[20:06] <mgraesslin> and there is only one line per driver - the different versions are comma separated
[20:07] <mgraesslin> now that I have such a list I can prepare an inclusion upstream
[20:07] <ScottK> Sarvatt: I'm stuck needing to produce a patch and not knowing enough.  Upstreams sort it out eventually doesn't work on the release timeline.
[20:07]  * Sarvatt nods
[20:08] <ScottK> Which is why I invited mgraesslin here so you two can tell me what I need to get done.
[20:08] <mgraesslin> btw: there are Intel drivers which work, so blacklisting just all, is wrong as well as it gives no possibility to the user to disable it
[20:09] <Sarvatt> someone would need to go through all the KDE bugs and find out what's broken and pick and choose from there, but there's only 3 or 4 generations out of all of those so if someone is broken on one it's safe to assume the others of that generation are broken too
[20:10] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Part of the problem I have is that plasma-netbook makes large assumptions that compositing will be available, so if it's not, the user experience is really unfortunate.  So I need to be rather conservative in where the more aggressive options are enabled.
[20:10] <Sarvatt> aka if 945GME is broken like ScottK says it is all of the opengl 1.4 ones should need blacklisting
[20:10] <Sarvatt> well maybe not the 8xx series ones but those are broken in everything else anyway :)
[20:10] <mgraesslin> opengl 1.4 does not need blacklisting as the effects require GLSL - that is 2.0
[20:11] <mgraesslin> ScottK: at least in 4.5.0 we had a problem that kwin's selfcheck failed on intel hardware
[20:11] <mgraesslin> it might be resolved in 4.5.1 but I am not sure
[20:11] <ScottK> OK.  I just updated my netbook to 4.5.1.  I'll check it.
[20:11] <mgraesslin> so you might want to disable kwin's functionality checks by default
[20:12] <ScottK> We'll ship with 4.5.1 +patches this cycle so maybe it's OK.
[20:13] <mgraesslin> problem is, that I have access to one Intel based device and there all issues are not reproducable
[20:14] <mgraesslin> selfcheck works, kwin does not freeze on settings change and blur is fast
[20:19] <ScottK> My results seem to be inconsistent.
[20:20] <ScottK> What does the device you have access to have?
[20:20] <ScottK> mgraesslin: ^^
[20:21] <mgraesslin> erm no idea to be honest
[20:25] <ScottK> OK.
[22:17] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, any ideas on this: http://pastebin.ca/1931994
[22:18] <Sarvatt> he booted an old kernel
[22:18] <bjsnider> no, he proved that's not so
[22:19] <Sarvatt> oh 256.53? he hasn't rebooted since updating then
[22:19] <bjsnider> i think this may be a flea power issue, where it's just stuck in memory
[22:19] <bjsnider> he did reboot
[22:19] <Sarvatt> don't know what to tell ya, 256.53 isn't installed for the kernel he's on obviously
[22:20] <Sarvatt> did he update to 2.6.35-20 in the same update?
[22:20] <bjsnider> no, -19
[22:21] <Sarvatt> what's his dkms status say?
[22:23] <bjsnider> it works now after another reboot
[22:23] <bjsnider> so it was a module staying in the ram even through a reboot or two
[22:35] <Sarvatt>  - Next week create a 7.9 release branch.
[22:35] <Sarvatt> \o/
[22:55] <achiang> does anyone know what happened to xserver-xorg-input-keyboard / kbd in lucid? did the package just go away?
[22:57] <jcristau> looks that way.
[22:58] <achiang> what happened to the code it used to contain? :)
[22:58] <achiang> perhaps now in xserver-xorg-input-evdev?
[22:58] <jcristau> the code is still in xf86-input-kbd, it's just not useful on linux because evdev replaces it
[22:59] <achiang> ah, ok, thanks
[23:03] <vish> how do i identify the chipset of an intel card?
[23:03] <jcristau> lspci -s 0:2.0
[23:05] <vish> so from http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54896374/Lspci.txt , it would be 945GME  ?
[23:06] <kklimonda> how does 10.04 cope with computers with 2 graphic cards?
[23:09] <vish> yup, [i945gme] seems it , found another bug about AAO with same title..
[23:14] <Sarvatt> thats the same machine i've used primarily for 2 years now :)
[23:15] <vish> Sarvatt: oh! the one i pasted above?
[23:15] <Sarvatt> vish: do you have one? the bios is extremely hackable to enable stuff like ahci, nx, more backlight levels, etc
[23:15] <Sarvatt> yeah
[23:16] <vish> hmm, havent hacked around the bios yet..
[23:16] <Sarvatt> it could be a different one, mine's an old AOA150
[23:16] <vish> Sarvatt: thats the one you've got unity running?
[23:17] <Sarvatt> i don't use that but it does work with CLUTTER_VBLANK=none
[23:17] <vish> ah , but unity works normally, only crashes X at times ;)
[23:17] <vish> Bug 629814
[23:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 629814 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gme] Moving pointer over Unity's launcher crashes X and causes Unity to reload (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629814
[23:18]  * vish tries with vblank..
[23:18] <Sarvatt> vish: different problem
[23:19] <vish> k.. :)
[23:19] <Sarvatt> vish: try this for me? https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/sarvatt-graphics
[23:20] <vish> Sarvatt: for the intel  AAO , or   ATI ?
[23:20] <Sarvatt> AAO
[23:20] <Sarvatt> it's just xserver-xorg-video-intel in there
[23:20] <vish> sure..
[23:20] <vish> yeah , just now saw the link! :D
[23:26] <Sarvatt> i think i'm going to hit the liquor store if that works. that patch makes me want some booze.
[23:30] <Sarvatt> well, it's the backtrace in your gdmlog2 that I'm thinking it'll fix, I didn't read the description :D
[23:31] <Sarvatt> did you log out when those server crashes happened?
[23:31] <vish> nope..
[23:31] <vish> only once, since my network manager crashed..
[23:32] <Sarvatt> is the xorglogold from a shutdown?
[23:32] <vish> hmm , might be.. i'm running unity from persistant usb stick on that one..
[23:33] <vish> oh, ho , somethign is eating my / !  running out of space on my laptop! , so if i crash out. :/
[23:35] <Sarvatt> vish: how many backlight levels do you have?
[23:36] <Sarvatt> on the AOA150
[23:36] <Sarvatt> if its not 9 check this out - http://macles.blogspot.com/2009/03/brightness-table.html
[23:37] <Sarvatt> (ignore the comments cus I fixed that in udev a long time ago)
[23:37] <vish> just a sec.. my backup , created its own folder in /media and started filling up my / :(
[23:38] <Sarvatt> I get an extra hour battery life with that new bios, there are 9 cell batteries you can pick up on ebay that last about 11 hours too :)
[23:38] <Sarvatt> for $30 or so
[23:41] <vish> wow! 11hrs of battery life! :)
[23:42] <vish> hmm , looks like i have 9 steps :s
[23:42] <Sarvatt> ah, not surprised, only the early AOA150's had the problem that made them not allow the lower levels
[23:44] <Sarvatt> http://cgi.ebay.com/New-ACER-Aspire-One-9-cell-7900mAh-battery-A110-AOA150-/200489675229?pt=Laptop_Batteries&hash=item2eae1da9dd#ht_1540wt_902
[23:44] <vish> hmm , well , the ppa works.. but doesnt solve the bug i mentioned above :)
[23:44] <Sarvatt> those things are about 10-11 hours, they make 12 cells too
[23:44] <Sarvatt> yeah, sorry about that, your logs exposed another bug that you probably dont notice cus it happens when you reboot :)
[23:45] <vish> np.. :)
[23:46] <Sarvatt> grep -r FreeClientResources /var/log/Xorg.* shouldn't return anything new anymore with that though
[23:46] <Sarvatt> are you running a unity session or just running unity?
[23:47] <vish> unity regular! :D
[23:47] <Sarvatt> from what you said in the bug though X isn't crashing just unity?
[23:48] <Sarvatt> those X crashes are another bug?
[23:48] <vish> yeah , i dont get logged out of the session.. but only Unity is reloaded.. so might be two happening at the same time?
[23:49] <Sarvatt> yeah you'd know it if those X crashes in your log were related to unity reloading, the whole session would go down
[23:49] <vish> grep -r FreeClientResources /var/log/Xorg.*  gives an output only in the 0.log.old..
[23:49] <Sarvatt> vish: next reboot it shouldn't be in .old either
[23:50] <vish> cool!
[23:50] <Sarvatt> any chance you could confirm that so I can chalk it up as another bug caused by 101_copy-fb.patch in xserver-xorg-video-intel? :)
[23:51] <vish> yup , rebooting it :)
[23:51] <Sarvatt> thanks!
[23:54] <vish> Sarvatt: poof! gone :) , nil output for $ grep -r FreeClientResources /var/log/Xorg.*
[23:54] <Sarvatt> thanks vish
[23:54] <vish> np..
[23:54] <Sarvatt> yours is identical to ScottK's then, ugh
[23:55] <Sarvatt> pretty safe to say all intel bugs on maverick with this backtrace are the same
[23:55] <Sarvatt> Backtrace:
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e83bb]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 1: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x5da8d) [0x80a5a8d]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xa9640c]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 3: /usr/bin/X (FreeClientResources+0xed) [0x808f04d]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 4: /usr/bin/X (FreeAllResources+0x60) [0x808f120]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 5: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1a5e6) [0x80625e6]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 6: /lib/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe7) [0x2a5ce7]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 7: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1a191) [0x8062191]
[23:55] <Sarvatt> Segmentation fault at address 0x4
[23:58] <Sarvatt> I really think it would be a good idea to disable 101_copy-fb.patch until it can get worked out


[01:07] <maysam> salam
[01:07] <maysam> usb network adapter bara ubuntu chi pishnahad mikonid?
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[17:56] <example> is there any users?
[17:57] <example> ADMIN
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[00:11] <Thorondor> RAOF: Thanks! I'll take a look
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:08] <SteveG> Hello
[04:08] <SteveG> I was hoping some one would be able to help
[04:11] <SteveG> ???
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <JustinZ`> Help! I flashed my Nexus 7 2012, it rebooted with spinning Ubuntu logo and sat there for 2-3minutes before rebooting into the bootloader.
[08:32] <tshirtman> JustinZ`: pretty sure the 2012 nexus 7 is not supported anymore
[08:33] <popey> JustinZ`: tshirtman correct.
[08:34] <janimo> jamesh, hi, do you know when the libunity-scopes fixes required by Go scopes land in the archive?
[09:17] <jamesh> janimo: sorry, missed your message.  Hopefully this week.  I hadn't pushed to get a new release out before because there were a few other pending changes in the review queue and it was only a few people interested at the time
[09:18] <janimo> jamesh, and this means Go scopes do not work at all without the change currently (it was not clear from the G+ post) ?
[09:18] <jamesh> janimo: correct.  The registry doesn't realise that the scope has started up so kills the child process where the scope is running
[09:18] <janimo> jamesh, thanks
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:31]  * ogra_ hugs dholbach for helping to turn ubuntu phone into a "zeitungskiosk"
[10:31] <ogra_> :D
[10:31] <dholbach> :-D
[10:31] <dholbach> no worries :)
[10:35] <k1l_> are there some current .zip files from ubuntu-touch that can be flashed via recovery onto n4 (like the daylies from cm11).
[10:36] <ogra_> k1l_, nope
[10:36] <k1l_> hmm k
[10:38] <ogra_> k1l_, you can use rootstock-ng for a manual install from tarball and system.img file, instructions are on the mailing list
[10:38] <k1l_> ogra_: thanks, will take a look at that
[11:47] <daker> hi
[11:48] <daker> i am unable to get the sim card to work, getting "Unknown data technology" from the system settings log :(
[11:48] <daker> i also tested the ofono scripts, they don't seem to work too
[11:49] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7303092/
[11:49] <daker> and i don't get the unlock screen to type the pin code
[11:54] <ogra_> daker, ofono errors should be in syslog ... : grep ofono /var/log/syslog
[11:56] <daker> ogra_: nothing
[11:56] <ogra_> sad
[11:56] <daker> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/cellular/PageComponent.qml#L48
[12:00] <daker> ogra_: anything else i should check to get sim registred or atleast unlocked ?
[12:00] <ogra_> well, do you see ofono even run in the processlist ?
[12:01] <ogra_> (ofonod actually)
[12:08] <daker> ogra_: yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/7306513/
[12:08] <ogra_> looks fine
[12:09] <ogra_> weird that you dont have anything in syslog from the startup
[12:09] <ogra_> best is to wait for awe i guess ... he should be able to help out
[12:09] <ogra_> (not sure hw works today though)
[12:09] <ogra_> *he
[12:10] <ogra_> could it be that your SIM ran out of credit or some such ?
[12:10] <daker> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7306524/
[12:10] <daker> no it's new sim card, it has been actived a few days ago
[12:11] <ogra_> and it has a PIN ?
[12:11] <ogra_> the Pin unlock should be in system settings
[12:11] <ogra_> (iirc we dont have any popup on login for it)
[12:11] <daker> ogra_: yes i has a pin
[12:11] <cwayne> mardy, ping
[12:11] <daker> ogra_: i get nothing on sys settings
[12:12] <mardy> cwayne: hi :-)
[12:12] <ogra_> under cellular
[12:12] <mardy> cwayne: about a D-Bus API for authenticating? :-)
[12:12] <cwayne> mardy, :D
[12:12] <mardy> cwayne: so, there is such an API, though there are no premises about its stability
[12:12] <cwayne> mardy, well, really the question is about authenticating from golang, but I understand doing it via d-bus may be the quickest way
[12:13] <mardy> cwayne: but the main issue is that before authenticating, you must find out which account you want to authenticate, and for that there is no escape from using libaccounts-glib (or -qt, or the QML module)
[12:13] <daker> ogra_: https://i.imgur.com/P7uwAAC.png
[12:14] <daker> ogra_: carrier list always empty https://i.imgur.com/nyK35gQ.png
[12:14] <mardy> cwayne: so, if you are going to use it, then you could as well use libsignon-glib
[12:14] <ogra_> right
[12:14] <ogra_> hmm
[12:14] <daker> ogra_: getting "Unknown data technology" from the system settings log :(
[12:14] <ogra_> you should have a "PIN" entry in the forst one
[12:14] <ogra_> *first
[12:14] <cwayne> mardy, ah, cool, so listing is the only thing you'd need the glib stuff for?
[12:15] <ogra_> abeato, any hint what daker could look at to get his SIM to work ?
[12:15] <cwayne> mardy, is the D-Bus API documented anywhere? or any examples of it being used for authentication?
[12:16] <mardy> cwayne: there are XML files in the signond source code
[12:16] <mardy> cwayne: actually, I believe they are installed in /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/
[12:17] <daker> ogra_: i think the ofono logs are in .cache/upstart/
[12:17] <cwayne> mardy, I saw those (except they seem to be part of signond-dev, which im not sure would be installed), but was hoping there were some examples somewhere
[12:17] <ogra_> only the ones from the upstart job
[12:17]  * cwayne isn't the best with D-Bus API's yet
[12:17] <ogra_> ofono itself logs directly to syslog
[12:18] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/apps/slashdot-app$ adb shell zgrep ofono /var/log/syslog.*|wc -l
[12:18] <ogra_> 1124
[12:18] <ogra_> try grepping through the zipped ones too
[12:20] <daker> ha 2810
[12:20] <ogra_> right, so you have some logs :)
[12:21] <mardy> cwayne: nope, no examples
[12:21] <mardy> cwayne: BTW, jamesh had exactly the same questions a few days ago
[12:22] <mardy> cwayne: I think he resolved to use the glib libraries, maybe you could work together somehow?
[12:22] <daker> ogra_: how to pull them ?
[12:22] <abeato> daker, could you execute ofono script list_modems?
[12:22] <abeato> list-modems, sorry
[12:22] <ogra_> daker, drop the "|wc -l" and pipe them into a file instead
[12:23] <daker> abeato: ofono: command not found
[12:23] <ogra_> ah, abeato is around ... listen to him rather than me :)
[12:23] <abeato> it is in /usr/share/ofono/scripts
[12:23] <abeato> # /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[12:23] <cwayne> mardy, ah, maybe I should just wait til he's got something working and then use his example :P
[12:25] <daker> abeato: it's ok to link you with output ? it has nothing sensitive ?
[12:25] <abeato> daker, no, it's fine, paste it in paste.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <daker> abeato: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7306609/
[12:26] <abeato> daker, so it looks like pin has not been entered yet
[12:27] <daker> abeato: yes i don't get the unlock screen
[12:27] <daker> https://i.imgur.com/P7uwAAC.png
[12:27] <daker> carrier list always empty https://i.imgur.com/nyK35gQ.png
[12:27] <daker> and i am getting "Unknown data technology" from the system settings log :(
[12:28] <abeato> daker, you can go to the unlock screen in the Network menu, in the same place where you select the WiFi you connect to
[12:28] <abeato> daker, you need to go down in the page
[12:30] <daker> abeato: haha, who did propose this "GENIUOS" idea
[12:31] <abeato> daker, I still wonder ;)
[12:31] <daker> done unlocked
[12:31] <abeato> the design should change soon, afaik
[12:31] <daker> i see the signal now
[12:31] <abeato> daker, cool
[12:32] <daker> abeato: wow it works now!
[12:32] <daker> thanks man!
[12:33] <abeato> daker, no problem
[13:15] <anDixx> hello how can i instal ubuntu touch
[13:15] <anDixx> on a windows tablet ?
[13:16] <anDixx> some can help me ?
[13:17] <pmcgowan> anDixx, the images depend on elements from Android for hardware drivers and the like
[13:17] <pmcgowan> anDixx, there needs to be Android support and we only support ARM for now
[13:17] <ogra_> well, if it runs normal ubuntu you could try the unity8 perview session ... but thats not having any low level HW support indeed
[13:19] <LeandeR> ?
[13:19] <LeandeR> its andixx
[13:31] <kirkland> howdy!  okay, two questions about Touch on my Nexus7 ... 1) I can't figure out how to lock the screen
[13:32] <kirkland> I thought it would be under security and privacy, but I don't see anything relevant there
[13:32] <ogra_> you press the power button :)
[13:32] <tedg> kirkland, I think that setting might be waiting on mterry's work on getting us to a lightdm lock screen lands.
[13:33] <ogra_> right
[13:33] <ogra_> we dont actually have a lock screen atm
[13:33] <ogra_> what you see is fake
[13:33] <mterry> tedg, kirkland: correct
[13:33] <kirkland> whoa, we don't have a lock screen?
[13:33] <tedg> ogra_, It's okay kirkland has nothing to hide :-)
[13:33] <ogra_> yeah
[13:33] <ogra_> i know ... i checked already :P
[13:33] <kirkland> :-)
[13:34]  * tedg forgot that ogra_ has root
[13:34] <ogra_> heh
[13:34] <kirkland> okay, that's a bummer;  any idea when that might land, mterry?
[13:35] <kirkland> okay, second question...  is there a swipe or qwersive keyboard option or add-on?
[13:35] <ogra_> within the next months
[13:35] <ogra_> kirkland, thats a bfiller question ... you can attach a patch too if you like :)
[13:35] <ogra_> (i dont think there is yet)
[13:36] <tedg> If only we had someone in the company that has experience with that technology to write the patch… (*cough* kirkland *cough*)
[13:36] <bfiller> kirkland: there is not, but we have a plugin architecture such that one could be created
[13:36] <kirkland> ogra_: heh :-)  well, I have some old code from 2003-2004, when I created swipe's predecessor, called QWERsive :-)  but it's written in Java, copyrighted by IBM, and probably not useful at all :-)
[13:37] <Elleo> kirkland: there have been some people discussing potential implementation of swype style input for Sailfish which also uses maliit (so would be relatively easy to include in Ubuntu Touch); some sort of joint effort on that front might be good
[13:38] <ogra_> kirkland, i know ;)
[13:38] <kirkland> Elleo: that would be sweet
[13:38] <Elleo> although that discussion also involved lots of people being rather put off by the mountain of patents involved in swype ;)
[13:38] <kirkland> ogra_: alrighty, thanks guys!  I'm liking what I've seen so far, good stuff
[13:38] <Elleo> personally I've been wanting to have a go at implementing a dasher (http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/) style maliit plugin for a while
[13:38] <Elleo> completely failed to get around to it so far though ;)
[13:39] <tedg> kirkland, When are you guys going to have a QML Juju GUI for Ubuntu?
[13:39]  * tedg wants to manage his servers from his phone
[13:39]  * LeandeR is now away, auto-away after 20 minutes (log\on pager\on)
[13:39] <ogra_> well, ssh works
[13:39] <kirkland> tedg: :-)
[13:40] <Randy_O> has anyone else had an ssh connection refused error when trying to run an QML app on their phone?
[13:42] <ogra_> Randy_O, adb shell setprop persist.service.ssh true && adb reboot
[13:42] <Elleo> kirkland: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003922.html <-- doesn't look like much has actually happened in that direction yet though
[13:43] <Randy_O> ogra_, thanks, I'll give that a try
[13:48] <Rienzilla> hmm
[13:48] <Rienzilla> what channel should I install to my nexus 4?
[13:48] <Rienzilla> (if I want to actually try and use the device)
[13:49]  * cwayne patiently waits til i can update to U
[13:49] <ogra_> Rienzilla, devel
[13:51] <Rienzilla> ok
[13:51] <ogra_> you can use stable ... but wont get many updates then, devel actually sees regular fixes
[13:52] <ogra_> and has about the same quality
[13:54] <Rienzilla> okay
[13:55] <Rienzilla> so, use devel until stable is actually stable (and more feature complete) :)
[13:57] <ogra_> well, stable is just a snaphot image we take at release day
[13:57] <ogra_> (currently)
[13:57] <ogra_> (a snapshot from devel)
[13:57] <Rienzilla> yeah I understand
[13:57] <ogra_> and ubuntu phone is actually a rolling release on top of the ubuntu archive ... so devel gets all the new fixes
[13:59] <Rienzilla> flashing version 302
[13:59] <Rienzilla> let's see :)
[13:59] <Rienzilla> I have a reason to start using this device now. My 3 year old son dropped my iphone on a concrete floor :)
[13:59] <ogra_> thats a good reason :)
[14:07] <Randy_O> has anyone else had an ssh connection refused error when trying to run an QML app on their phone? I've tried persist.service.ssh true
[14:14] <Rienzilla> hmm
[14:14] <Rienzilla> is there auto-brightness on the nexus4?
[14:14] <ogra_> yep
[14:14] <ogra_> a bit hidden in the brightness settings of the settings app
[14:14] <Rienzilla> ah found it
[14:15] <ogra_> mpt, ^^^thats slightly confusing btw
[14:15] <Rienzilla> I find it quite difficult to navigate touch still :)
[14:15] <ogra_> mpt, the battery indicator takes you to the battery settings but doesnt expose the autobrightness setting there
[14:15] <ogra_> (while it exposes a slider for brightness)
[14:16] <Rienzilla> indeed
[14:17] <mpt> That’s true
[14:17] <mpt> We could just have a cross-reference to the Brightness panel, rather than a brightness slider
[14:17] <mpt> That would be more in line with the PC design, too
[14:17] <ogra_> ++
[14:21] <Rienzilla> huh... what is this about shutdown of ubuntu one services?
[14:23] <Graknol> Hi, can I use CM11 instead of CM10.1 when porting, as Nexus 5 is only supported by CM11?
[14:24] <ogra_> Graknol, why do you port to N5 ? is the existing community port not working for you ?
[14:24] <Graknol> Well, I just wondered
[14:24]  * ogra_ thought that was one of the better working ones
[14:24] <ogra_> and the N5 can just use the existing AOSP tree ... no need for any CM
[14:25] <Graknol> Plus, I couldn't find the source for the latest from this guy http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/port-ubuntu-touch-nexus-5-t2594874?nocache=1
[14:25] <ogra_> you should be able to just build away
[14:25] <Tassadar> the source is in ubuntu repos
[14:25] <ogra_> apt-get srouce android :)
[14:25] <ogra_> *source
[14:25] <Tassadar> that thread is acient
[14:25] <Graknol> ohh, thought every port was custom :)
[14:26] <ogra_> since we switched to AOSP all ports inside the source can easily be built
[14:26] <Graknol> ohh! I didn't see that on the porting guide
[14:26] <Graknol> nvm, found it! :D
[14:26] <ogra_> yeah, the porting guide needs love
[14:26] <ogra_> it is quite outdated
[14:26] <Graknol> This community is simply amazing
[15:48] <mhall119> bfiller: is what addressbook on google does contacts sync use?
[15:49] <bfiller> mhall119: default one
[15:54] <Rienzilla> hmm
[15:54] <Rienzilla> can I import ical or so calendars into the calendar app?
[15:55] <ogra_> i think currently only google
[15:55] <ogra_> though there might be commandline ways with syncevolution
[15:55] <Rienzilla> well a one-time import would do
[15:55] <Rienzilla> for now, that is
[15:56] <Rienzilla> and what about contacts?
[15:56] <Rienzilla> I don't really feel like copying them by hand :)
[15:56] <ogra_> same thing, it uses syncevolution in the backend but is only set up for google atm
[15:57] <Rienzilla> ah okay
[15:57] <ogra_> there are surelöy ways to do it manually from commandline
[16:08] <mhall119> bfiller: hmmm, mine isn't syncing...
[16:09] <bfiller> mhall119: look in ~/.cache/upstart/sync-monitor.log
[16:09] <bfiller> might have some clues
[16:16] <Rienzilla> hmm, manipulating things like the ssh configuration (and, the password for the phablet user) runs into the fact that stuff is mounted readonly. Can I just remount it r/w to make changes or is there a better way?
[16:17] <ogra_> Rienzilla, yeah, you would have to switch to writable mode but lose upgradeability if you actually want to hack around system configs
[16:27] <Rienzilla> ogra_: hmm, somehow I don't feel comfortable running an ssh server on my phone with a phablet/phablet login :)
[16:29] <ogra_> just unset the property then :)
[17:20] <Mike> I have a question about Ubuntu Touch and was told to come here
[17:20] <popey> ask away
[17:21] <Guest43557> How do i sync my music from my windows 7 laptop to the device?
[17:21] <Guest43557> Nexus 7 2013
[17:21] <ogra_> it should pop up explorer like android does
[17:21] <Guest43557> It didnt
[17:21] <ogra_> hmm, it does on ubuntu
[17:22]  * popey reboots to windows to test, hang on
[17:22] <genii> Probably need usb drivers
[17:22]  * ogra_ hasnt touched windows since win95
[17:22] <Guest43557> lmao
[17:22] <popey> well, GameOS as I call it here
[17:22] <Guest43557> Win95 isn't legitimate anyway.
[17:22] <ogra_> was a while ago i admit :)
[17:22] <Guest43557> They literally stole the UI from apple OS in the early days of it
[17:23] <popey> uhoh! you set him off!
[17:23]  * popey boots his nexus 7
[17:23] <Guest43557> Dun DUN dun
[17:24] <Guest43557> Im currently downloading CM11 so give me a few minutes to boot back to Ubuntu Touch
[17:24] <popey> yeah, it doesn't show up properly
[17:24]  * popey files a bug
[17:24] <Guest43557> Yep
[17:24] <ogra_> popey, does it in android ?
[17:24] <Guest43557> And My laptop doesnt support ubuntu :D
[17:24] <popey> uh
[17:24] <ogra_> (do you know)
[17:24] <Guest43557> yes, it pops up on android
[17:24] <popey> i have an old nexus 7 running android...
[17:25] <popey> yes
[17:25] <ogra_> thats weird, the USB device is set up identical to android
[17:25] <popey> you see a blank window
[17:25] <Guest43557> "supposedly"
[17:25] <popey> it does show up, just no folders
[17:25] <Guest43557> Yes
[17:25] <Guest43557> When in ubuntu touch it shows up on the side bar
[17:25] <Guest43557> i click it
[17:25] <Guest43557> enter the device storage
[17:25] <Guest43557> and blank
[17:25] <Guest43557> nothing
[17:26] <ogra_> cyphermox, ^^^ any idea ?
[17:26] <ogra_> so the USB device actually registers properly ... must be the mtp-server on the device then
[17:26] <popey> yes
[17:26] <Guest43557> hmm.
[17:26] <Guest43557> like i said
[17:26] <popey> i see "7.07 GB free of 12.9GB" in explorer
[17:26] <cyphermox> well, is this in nautilus or some other file manager?
[17:26] <Guest43557> Im downloading cm11 so gimme a bit
[17:26] <popey> Guest43557: thanks for letting us know.
[17:26] <Guest43557> lol
[17:26] <popey> cyphermox: windows
[17:27] <ogra_> cyphermox, win7
[17:27] <cyphermox> it' s anybody' s guess what windows does
[17:27] <popey> cop out ☻
[17:27] <ogra_> heh
[17:27] <cyphermox> as mentioned, it should behave the same, but if there's some attribute windows expect that we don't expose, then it would come up empty yeah
[17:27] <Guest43557> Fahk
[17:28] <popey> indeed
[17:28] <Guest43557> Well it seems my laptop supports ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[17:28] <popey> Guest43557: the other option is download android tools, and "adb push Music /home/phablet/Music"
[17:28] <Guest43557> but i dont want to go through the hassle -.-
[17:28] <cyphermox> I'll need to dig into the Windows specs, I have them already, just may have missed something
[17:28] <ogra_> popey, that might take a century ... or two ...
[17:28] <janimo> kenvandine, hi,  saw you g+ post. Can bacon2d be used with the box2d from the Ubuntu archives?
[17:28] <ogra_> depending on the amount of music
[17:28] <cyphermox> ogra_: it shouldn' t exactly be any different than with mtp...
[17:29] <Guest43557> 24gbs worth? :D
[17:29] <cyphermox> it' s all usb after all
[17:29] <ogra_> well, adb push is generally pertty slow
[17:29] <ogra_> *pretty
[17:29] <ogra_> on top of USB ...
[17:29] <Guest43557> Not really.
[17:29] <Guest43557> Well for me at least
[17:29] <Guest43557> when i rooted and unlocked my BL, adb ran like a champ
[17:29] <ogra_> i found mtp to be a lot faster transferring stuff over the same wire
[17:30] <Guest43557> does Ubuntu Touch have MTP?
[17:30] <ogra_> yes
[17:30] <Guest43557> MTP doesnt enable than
[17:30] <Guest43557> that seems to be the issue
[17:30] <ogra_> well, you see the device in your tree
[17:30] <Guest43557> yes
[17:30] <ogra_> but not the contnt
[17:30] <ogra_> so we have 50% ;)
[17:30] <Guest43557> Indeed
[17:30] <Guest43557> yup
[17:31] <Guest43557> Wish i could upload pictures to show you what im seeing
[17:31] <ogra_> the USB part is fine, the mtp-server might be missing a flag
[17:31] <Guest43557> lol
[17:31] <ogra_> i think we can imagine what you see now :)
[17:31] <Guest43557> yeah
[17:31] <Guest43557> If i install ubuntu on this laptop, would that fix it?
[17:31] <popey> there you go.. bug 1311241
[17:31] <Guest43557> "fix"
[17:32] <ogra_> under ubuntu it just pops up and you can copy as you like
[17:32] <Guest43557> *clicks*
[17:32] <ogra_> hmm, not sure about 12.04
[17:32] <Guest43557> "Usual USB Bing Bong noise"
[17:32] <Guest43557> HAHA
[17:32] <Guest43557> xD
[17:32] <ogra_> 14.04 for sure, i'm using it all day here
[17:33] <ogra_> 12.04 might be to old for the desktop to have proper mtp support
[17:33] <Guest43557> 14.04 isnt supported for me :(
[17:33] <ogra_> why not ?
[17:33] <Guest43557> It doesnt mount /tmp/ during install
[17:34] <Guest43557> than hangs after reboot while trying to force mount it
[17:34] <ogra_> can you boot into a live session ?
[17:34] <Guest43557> nope
[17:34] <ogra_> that should be enough to copy your misuc :)
[17:34] <ogra_> *music
[17:35] <Guest43557> I click ignore, and ignore again, than it locks up
[17:35] <ogra_> ah, thats bad
[17:35] <Guest43557> OH
[17:35] <Guest43557> But i tried to install via Wubi because it wont detect anything on the USB drive during boot
[17:35]  * ogra_ hasnt heard about such issues, you should file a bug so it can be fixed for 14.04.1
[17:35] <Guest43557> ANd yes, i enabled it in bios
[17:35] <Guest43557> and*
[17:35] <ogra_> ugh
[17:35] <dobey> is wubi still supported?
[17:35] <ogra_> wubi
[17:35] <Guest43557> Apparentyl
[17:36] <popey> dont think so.
[17:36] <Guest43557> apparently*
[17:36] <ogra_> yeah. me neither
[17:36] <popey> "Wubi is an officially supported installer for Windows XP, Vista and 7 users that allows Ubuntu to be installed and uninstalled in a safe, easy way as with any other Windows application."
[17:36] <ogra_> i think that got dropped a while ago
[17:36] <Guest43557> Ill try via ReWritable Disc
[17:36] <Guest43557> Than why include it in every ubuntu update?
[17:36] <kenvandine> janimo, bacon2d includes qml-box2d which includes it's own snapshot of box2d
[17:36] <popey> it's still on the cd
[17:36] <ogra_> ugh
[17:36] <Guest43557> ah
[17:36] <Guest43557> bleh
[17:37] <Guest43557> Burning Ubuntu 14.04 to disc
[17:38] <Guest43557> see if that makes a dif
[17:38] <kenvandine> janimo, it uses box2d 2.3.2
[17:38] <janimo> kenvandine, does that not matter for deploying to touch because apps will include these in the .click package?
[17:39] <kenvandine> they just include bacon2d
[17:39] <janimo> kenvandine, I was just thinking whether it would be easier to get started developing if all was packaged :)
[17:39] <janimo> ok
[17:39] <Guest43557> here's my specs
[17:39] <Guest43557> http://www.cnet.com/products/asus-k52f-a1-15-6-core-i3-350m-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd/specs/
[17:39] <Guest43557> but i have a 500gb HDD
[17:39] <kenvandine> janimo, cool... want to try out bacon2d?
[17:39] <popey> Guest43557: should be fine.#
[17:39] <janimo> kenvandine, I cloned it and ran the examples
[17:39] <kenvandine> cool
[17:39] <Guest43557> Okay
[17:39] <janimo> after figuring out git submodule and whatever deps were needed on ubuntu to build it
[17:40] <kenvandine> yeah, that is a little trickier :)
[17:40] <ogra_> janimo, oooh, can we expect fancy mobile games from you in the store soon ?
[17:40] <kenvandine> i guess i should updated the readme :)
[17:40] <janimo> I liked the demos, I guess most of it is due to box2d and physics engines in general being able to impress me
[17:40] <janimo> ogra_, heh, if I only produced fancy new results for each technology I try out for 30 minutes :)
[17:41] <kenvandine> janimo, so bacon2d provides much more, but we don't want to reimplement all the physics stuff
[17:41] <janimo> kenvandine, makes sense since box2d is more or less state of the art I guess
[17:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:41] <kenvandine> although qml-box2d is seeing lots of churn right now
[17:41] <janimo> I saw no docs for bacons so could not really tell what else it is provided (parallax view is the one that jumps out on the website)
[17:42] <kenvandine> the pixelsToMeters  stuff just landed, so a big change
[17:42] <kenvandine> good for resolution independence :)
[17:42] <kenvandine> yeah, we need API docs... and there is no guarantee we won't break API for a while
[17:43] <kenvandine> although, i don't have a ton of free time to work on it, so probably won't break much :)
[17:43] <kenvandine> just add to it
[17:43] <kenvandine> janimo, do you have a device with ubuntu touch?
[17:43] <kenvandine> i can give you a click of pathwind to try out :)
[17:44] <janimo> kenvandine, several :)
[17:44] <janimo> kenvandine, sure please do :)
[17:44] <janimo> is it open source btw?
[17:45] <kenvandine> http://ubuntuone.com/5hzi3j5dw3XUiOcF1ixyWS
[17:45] <kenvandine> yup
[17:45] <kenvandine> i just haven't pushed the source anywhere yet
[17:45] <kenvandine> hopefully tonight
[17:45] <janimo> ok, I thought I'd also see a more realistic example than those in the dir but no hurry
[17:46] <kenvandine> if anyone else wants to try pathwind, grab the click package at that link ;)
[17:46] <janimo> and do so before the end of June :)
[17:46] <kenvandine> it still needs some tweaking
[17:46] <kenvandine> haha :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> i reused some fixtures from the original source done for the n9, which is licensed lgpl... weird since it isn't a library :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> and the artwork is all CC
[17:50] <kenvandine> mhall119, you should grab that click too http://ubuntuone.com/5hzi3j5dw3XUiOcF1ixyWS
[17:51] <janimo> kenvandine, it's working although without the charming music, this device has no working sound
[17:52] <kenvandine> ah :)
[17:52] <kenvandine> the velocity and impulses need tweaking, hard to get a good balance
[17:52] <kenvandine> i'm using units.gu from the ubuntu sdk to set the pixelsPerMeter for box2d
[17:53] <dobey> is it possible to package UOA plug-ins as clicks yet?
[17:53] <kenvandine> which is much better than static
[17:53] <kenvandine> dobey, i know cwayne did a bunch of work on that
[17:53] <kenvandine> cwayne, ^^
[17:57] <cwayne> dobey, it never landed in the image, but there's an open MP for support for it
[17:57] <dobey> oh ok
[17:58] <dobey> i don't quite have any idea how it's going to be useful, but i'll wait to make a click of a plug-in
[17:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: is it possible to package wallpapers as clicks yet? ;)
[17:58] <kenvandine> haha ;)
[17:59] <kenvandine> it's possible :)
[17:59] <kenvandine> but system-settings won't find them :)
[18:00] <t1mp> jamesh_: hello
[18:01] <dobey> hmm, but should i try to nab an N5 for cheap, or just buy one at full price from google
[18:01] <dobey> t1mp: i expect he's asleep right now :)
[18:01] <t1mp> jamesh_: do you remember the discussion in this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/albumart-dbus/+merge/212362 about moving the QML thumbnailer out of the UITK?
[18:01] <t1mp> ah
[18:01] <t1mp> dobey: thanks :)
[18:03] <dobey> t1mp: e-mail might be best. he's in .au, so time zone is way off from europe/americas
[18:03] <t1mp> ack
[18:07] <dobey> hrmm, or
[18:07] <cwayne> t1mp, hiya, anything for me to help test re: new headers? :)
[18:08] <dobey> anyone know if there are any good chinese knock-offs of the N4 or N5, with same hardware but in a smaller/slimmer form factor?
[18:09] <t1mp> cwayne: nope, not right now. some stuff is coming soon, but still in the queue for landing
[18:10] <t1mp> cwayne: new tabs are in this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/30-optIn-tabsDrawer in case you are interested. You need to set your MainView.useDeprecatedToolbar to false to enable it
[18:10] <t1mp> cwayne: some other stuff needs to land before I can land that branch
[18:11] <t1mp> cwayne: I don't remember if I sent you this before, but the new header actions discussion is in this document https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1wUUKtPmRmwbUELC1BUB9l0VOAwS_zAPRSCqMopUxR1c/edit#heading=h.yv1xue68vkeu
[18:12] <cwayne> t1mp, that's super helpful, thanks!  any idea when the header api is planned to be agreed upon?
[18:12] <Graknol> I get the feeling that "apt-get source android" is not sufficient, it's so tiny!
[18:13] <Graknol> Do i need to download the AOSP source too, or is it the source, im very confused :3
[18:19] <mhall119> Elleo: Deep Vision things my bread and my coffee mug are "Mortar" :)
[18:23] <Elleo> heh
[18:23] <ogra_> Graknol, try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AOSPBuild
[18:24] <Elleo> mhall119: that classifier only has a fairly limited number of things its trained on, you can see the list here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173317971/ImageNet.words
[18:24] <Elleo> its quite a random sample of stuff, so plenty of things won't get recognised by it
[18:24] <mhall119> I know, I just found it amusing
[18:25] <Elleo> it actually produces a number of candidates, in deep vision I'm just displaying the top one; when I showed it some pictures of my narrowboat using the top two results it decided it was a "limousine canoe" which seemed pretty accurate :P
[18:26] <Elleo> it also came up with "amphibian train"
[18:29] <Elleo> I might add a mode to show you amalgams of the top two or three results, as they can be pretty funy
[18:29] <Elleo> funny*
[18:30] <Graknol> ogra_, OMG THX! you're a lifesaver :D
[18:30] <t1mp> cwayne: end of the week :)
[18:30] <t1mp> cwayne: feel free to leave comments/suggestions/questions in the document
[18:32] <dobey> mhall119: leave the bread steeped in the coffee long enough, and see what you get ;)
[18:34] <cwayne> t1mp, awesome, thanks :)
[18:36] <cwayne> t1mp, that's the main blocker for actually implementing the new headers, right?
[18:39] <mhall119> dobey: more mortar I assume
[18:39] <mhall119> kenvandine: path wind is fun
[18:40] <dobey> mhall119: it's a time dilation analyses of the picture ;)
[18:40] <t1mp> cwayne: currently we don't really have blockers, it just takes time to land the pre-requisites, and to finish the API and do the implementation
[18:41] <kenvandine> mhall119, it has potential
[18:41] <kenvandine> i need to make it progressively get harder as it levels up
[18:41] <kenvandine> and give it a viewport so you can see when you fly off the top of the screen
[18:41] <t1mp> cwayne: the new tabs need to land, and then the back button needs to be moved to the header, and then I'll work on implementing the new actions API
[18:44] <t1mp> cwayne: and each step includes testing a lot of apps to make sure we don't break anything
[18:44] <cwayne> t1mp, understood
[18:47] <mhall119> popey: I can't open the calendar, I keep getting:
[18:47] <mhall119> qmlscene: failed to check version of file 'calendar.qml', could not open...
[18:47] <mhall119> any idea?
[19:05] <popey> mhall119: on desktop or device?
[19:06] <mhall119> nexus 4
[19:06] <popey> odd. opens here.
[19:06] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list | grep calendar
[19:06] <popey> com.ubuntu.calendar	0.4.246
[19:07] <popey> current build number: 302
[19:07] <mhall119> same info for me...
[19:10] <dduffey> anyone else having issues with google docs/hangouts?
[19:18] <dobey> dduffey: only when i have to use them. ;)
[19:31]  * sergiusens is really disliking all the website webapps in the store
[20:03] <bact> sergiusens: have you ever used a smartphone os before?
[20:03] <bact> sergiusens: thats what 70% of apps on other app stores are like
[20:04] <bact> the other 30% are dull games
[20:05] <sergiusens> bact: I have; I just don't like them
[20:05] <bact> I hate the trend too
[20:06] <ajalkane> They're there to boost the application number in stores. No one's impressed with "Now with over 100 unique apps!". It's more impressive to boast about 100 000 apps without mentioning they're silly web/rss-feed apps :P
[20:07] <bact> quality > quantity
[20:07] <ajalkane> I think you gots it backwards
[20:08] <bact> personally I don't even use much apps on android, I only have a dozen or so I use on a regular basis
[20:44] <janimo> kenvandine, can the bacon examples be run with qmlscene or any other way without a rebuild?
[20:44] <janimo> kenvandine, the examples work without having run make install
[20:55] <kenvandine> janimo, not without tweaking them so they don't use resources
[20:55] <kenvandine> you don't need to install though
[20:55] <janimo> kenvandine, so those cannot be loaded at runtime?
[20:55] <kenvandine> you can just pass the path to the plugin
[20:56] <kenvandine> they can, just need to change the qml
[20:56] <kenvandine> actually, i wonder if they will be found if they are in the current dir
[20:56] <janimo> kenvandine, I get module "Bacon2D" is not installed when running via qmlscene, and I tried passing -I and also the QML_IMPORT_PATH var
[20:56] <janimo> should it be build/src/imports ?
[20:56] <kenvandine> yes
[20:57] <kenvandine> that works for me
[20:57] <kenvandine> with -I
[20:57] <kenvandine> it's also QML2_IMPORT_PATH
[20:57] <kenvandine> i think
[20:57] <kenvandine> but -I should work
[20:58] <janimo> kenvandine, ah QML2 . The reamde has QML_IMPORT_PATH
[20:58] <janimo> readme
[20:58] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[20:58] <kenvandine> that's old...
[20:59] <kenvandine> in the examples, you might need to remove the ":/" from the images, etc
[20:59] <janimo> kenvandine, and qmlscene -I does not have an effect
[20:59] <janimo> kenvandine, well yes, Cannot open: qrc:/images/wall.jpg
[20:59] <kenvandine> qmlscene -I path/to/build/src/imports GameWindow.qml
[20:59] <kenvandine> for example
[20:59] <janimo> but at least it has progressed
[21:01] <janimo> kenvandine, ok -I works too, I had imports/Bacon2D
[21:01] <kenvandine> ok
[21:01] <janimo> and previously I tried with import not imports . sigh. Anyway good to know the things that are supposed to work, work :)
[21:03] <janimo> kenvandine, so chaning the qml to drop qrc:/ from the image name does it. But now it may break the binary version
[21:03] <janimo> kenvandine, anyway thanks, nicer testing this way already
[21:04] <kenvandine> it will :)
[21:04] <kenvandine> i'd rather clean up all those examples to run with qmlscene anyway... this is leftover from quasi using their own launcher
[21:05] <kenvandine> which is kind of nice for setting the import path, etc
[21:05] <kenvandine> but i'm not a fan of using qrc
[21:06] <janimo> I had only written one qml app, it had images and sounds and did not use qrc, so I guess it can be run and deployed as a click
[21:07] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:07] <kenvandine> much simpler
[21:49] <skmoe> when i run ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 grouper, the touch doesnt work. any ideas?
[21:51] <dobey> skmoe: the system froze probably. also grouper is no longer supported by the official builds; you'll need to switch to community builds to get further updates for it
[22:15] <mandi> hello
[22:16] <mandi> Device is |tuna|
[22:23] <luis_> question
[22:23] <luis_> how install ubuntu touch on xperia x10
[22:39] <dobey> !devices
[22:40] <dobey> ^^ mandi
[22:40] <mandi> dobey: hi
[22:41] <mandi> dobey: help me please about install ubuntu on my galaxy nexus i9250
[22:45] <Beldar> mandi, Is the nexus rooted?
[22:47] <mandi> Beldar: yes I unloked it
[22:49] <Beldar> mandi, My mistake I was going to suggest the multirom app, but it has limited device application. This is in development so are you sure it's what you want?
[22:50] <mandi> Beldar: yes
[22:54] <Beldar> mandi, I see that phone is listed, follow the install info  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:01] <mandi> Beldar: ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --device=maguro --channel=trusty it's right?
[23:15] <Beldar> mandi, Been awhile since I did it, I remember it as installing fine or needing a manual install, this was on a nexus 7 however just checking it out.


[00:13] <Unit193> https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-pro-now-available-on-aws-graviton-instances want to try again on this link?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Yup ! looking !
[00:27] <Bashing-om> Unit193: 404's from several sources - Looks that Canonical pulled it - // Will check for a link before the push tomprrow - else no completions will pull.
[02:07] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I suspect we should drop ", with details provided of these." in the Handling reportig security bugs summary (not critical; it seems unnecessary to me in readthru & will make summary shorter)
[02:10] <guiverc> ^ keep "." actually; i copied a character too much
[02:15] <guiverc> i've also made a suggestion to joey/firefox/black screen
[02:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Loading to edit :D
[02:18]  * guiverc has marked (suggests) on gdoc
[02:18]  * guiverc is still reading though
[02:21] <guiverc> neither of those were critial; reducing text really.. all I saw with my read thru complete
[02:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 2 edits made and saved the WIKI.
[02:28] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om, looks good to me.
[02:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Still pending is droppong "https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-pro-now-available-on-aws-graviton-instances" as the link now 404s.
[02:29] <guiverc> yeah I read ^ ... we (or really you!) can check tomorrow
[02:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: So noted to check :)
[02:30] <guiverc> :) & Thanks
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[18:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" and "Graviton (ARM) instances" - will start the push soonest.
[18:58] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - doing the Forums posting next.
[19:07] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu Plans to Switch CUPS Printing Stack to Snap @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/05/cups-snap-ubuntu-23-10 (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done - the Re-directs are up next on the list.
[19:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - making up the Disourse post now.
[19:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: Posted to Discourse :D
[21:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Blogged to Mastodon - Pending now is release to the other Social Media.
[22:52] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/05/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-789/
[22:52]  * guiverc corrected one link
[22:56] <guiverc> tweeted 789, (posted to reddit, mewe)
[22:56] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check -- looks good.
[22:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Do the clean thing now ?
[22:57] <guiverc> I don't believe I'm going to be able to login to fb... my cell.phone ain't working sorry (no 2fa used by fb)
[22:57] <guiverc> yep scrub away
[22:57] <guiverc> & thanks Bashing-om
[22:59] <Bashing-om> doing ^ - guess FB is going to suffer as we have no second poster at this time :(
[23:00]  * guiverc can't get telegram-desktop to be useable.. but still trying..
[23:04] <guiverc> uwn 789 posted to telegram (finally)
[23:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: We bring in June with issue790 :D
[23:06]  * guiverc prefers that issue number; 789 kept having me wonder if you just ran your fingers acrsoss the keyboard in a line (like 123 as a password)
[23:09] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 789 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/05/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-789/
[23:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Uh Huh - now we have to stretch the 2nd finger :P
[23:54]  * guiverc hadn't even thought of discourse.. you've got it there already Bashing-om (just scanning for what's new... & 789 is there.. making me think of post to discourse finally!)
[23:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I be on the ball :P
[23:57] <guiverc> :)    (I'm barely awake i fear)
[23:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I did have some issues editing for Discourse - but looks to have turned out well in the end :D


 @TheLimeRunner [@paddy7x How's the install coming?], All done
 (Photo, 1276x956) https://i.imgur.com/FNU3y70.jpg
 Yay!  Make sure you run your updates! ;)], I’m trying to figure that out
 😉
 Also the pop up window for the WiFi isn’t showing
 Hopefully after updates it will work
 I can’t connect to the internet
 Need more details. Are you unable to connect to wifi?
 And the pop up window that shows the login isn’t showing
 @TheLimeRunner [Need more details. Are you unable to connect to wifi?], No can’t connect
 Normal there is a pop up to log in
 But now there is nothing
 Is the network icon still showing in the status bar?
 (Photo, 956x1276) https://i.imgur.com/0EuWjzQ.jpg
 The connection it’s showing but when I click there is suppose to be a log in screen from a website so I can connect
 But it doesn’t show
 Open firefox, try to browse, page should load.
 (Photo, 1276x956) https://i.imgur.com/YpoUcWL.jpg
 Not working
 Did you forget the network and reconnect to it?
 Hmmm 🤔
 It may have a token saved so it's not authing properly.
 @TheLimeRunner [Did you forget the network and reconnect to it?], I’ll try that
 @TheLimeRunner [Did you forget the network and reconnect to it?], Not working
 Very weird
 That seems odd. If you already did the web auth it should have still been authed for whatever amount of time it's configured to.
 Have ya given it a restart yet?
 That’s what I thought
 The networking stack may have been upgraded
 @TheLimeRunner [The networking stack may have been upgraded], Networking stack?
 Packages related to the network
 When you did your system update, some of the network related packges may have had an update and wouldn'
 t trigger until a reboot/log out log in
 I’ve restarted and still nothing
 That's weird....have another network like mobile hot spot you can use to verify if it's a network issue or an issue with the laptop itself?
[01:10] <MeteorHammer> Hmm...  Okay, so my audio is broken.  I've checked a ton of guides online, and yet, it's still broken, even though everything looks fine, software-wise.  I can't get anything through the speakers, but if I plug in a set of headphones, that works just fine.
[03:06] <guiverc2> MeteorHammer, you haven't mentioned your release, but I'd normally play in `pavucontrol` (pulse audio volume control) for issues with no sound, or sound coming out different output to where I want it to
[03:08] <guiverc2> MeteorHammer, https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/2/2.5/2.5.2/pulseaudio_volume_control.html
[03:49] <MeteorHammer> yeah, I've taken a look at pavucontrol.  Also looked at alsamixer, used pacmd to check if it's muted via the "list-sinks" command, tested with aplay, checked to see that it was recognizing my card with "sudo aplay -l", made sure I had the sound modules installed, checked lspci for the physical card, tried manually starting the audio drivers, and tried reinstalling the drivers.
[03:50] <MeteorHammer> Oddly enough, aplay will give a response on the screen as if it's playing something, but it won't with sudo.
[03:59] <MeteorHammer> I remember that the last time I messed with Ubuntu, all I needed to do was unmute the output in alsamixer every time I installed it to one of my other laptops.
[04:00] <MeteorHammer> Holy crap, it's midnight.  I'mma idle here for responses.
[04:01] <guiverc2> I still don't know your release, however I'm very unlikley to know how to help sorry MeteorHammer
[04:02] <MeteorHammer> Oh.  right..  Eaon Ermine.  XD
[04:03] <guiverc2> :) thanks.
[04:03] <MeteorHammer> It's probably something dumb my gf and I forgot to do, tbh.
[04:03] <MeteorHammer> Thank you.
[04:04] <MeteorHammer> How about this virus, huh?
[04:05] <guiverc2> that discussion belongs in -offtopic, but yeah I do see mention of it in other -offtopic rooms on occasion..
[05:45] <Thefariol> lubot, you install linux?
[05:54] <rs2009> Lubuntu of Raspberry Pi 19.10, building image.
[05:55] <rs2009> I hope everyone appreciates the idea since have started working on it.
[05:55] <rs2009> :)
[06:01] <rs2009> Creation of Lubuntu RPI Council underway, looking for volunteers
 @rs2009 [<rs2009> Lubuntu of Raspberry Pi 19.10, building image.], How exactly are you building the image? Note: just an apt install of required packages doesn't make things work for everything.
[06:14] <rs2009> I've decided to flash the disk image to my SD Card, make the changes and rebuild the image by reading the SD Card/copying partitions to a disk image
[06:16] <rs2009> Ah, connected via telegram.
[06:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> that might work for you but that iso might not work for different people / different versions of Pi some things might be hardware specific..
[06:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, that would create a huge iso. We should try to reduce the size as much as we can.
[06:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> go ahead and try it tho.
[06:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> when you create the iso, host it somewhere, (gdrive or something)
[06:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> Others will be able to download and test it then.
[06:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> where exactly is your server situated? Bombay?
[06:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> if hosted on a server, the downloads will be slow for locations that are away.
[06:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> I guessed on basis of your name.
[06:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am from Hyderabad.
[06:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> you should join #lubuntu-devel
[06:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> and #lubuntu-offtopic for offtopic stuff.
[09:23] <workpls> df
[09:23] <workpls> Um
[09:23] <workpls> Not trying to spam :/
[13:47] <ElPedrologo> hola
 Hello all.
 I have a problem and I need to find the MAC address on lubuntu. Can anybody help?
 You should be able to view it in the device details in network manager.
 I made a generous donation yesterday. I feel I need to find a learning community
 @TheLimeRunner [You should be able to view it in the device details in network manager.], Thanks
 Alternatively open a terminal and use "ifconfig | grep Hwaddr"
 That will display ethernet and wifi mac address,.
 @TheLimeRunner [Alternatively open a terminal and use "ifconfig | grep Hwaddr"], All in one?
 Seperated
 Ok
 One sec
 (Photo, 1276x956) https://i.imgur.com/3Frt0ya.jpg
 Ah I forgot nettools isn't in the default ISO
 Go ahead and install that then run the command again
 @TheLimeRunner [Go ahead and install that then run the command again], Ok doing it now
[18:58] <donofrio> how do I get my ssid passphase to be accepted by the network manger?  it is 9 chars long but doesn't seem to want to use it?  I mean it tries and then returns the dialog box....
[19:00] <akem> Maybe you need to specify if it's wep or wpa1 or 2, that kind of thing?
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/UdTqzzE.jpg
[19:04] <donofrio> akem, how/where?  it seems to take it but then doesn't?
 @paddy7x try just ifconfig then
 The commands may have changed I haven't used them in a while.
 @TheLimeRunner [The commands may have changed I haven't used them in a while.], Thanks
[19:06] <akem> donofrio, Maybe there is some icon in the connect box, i don't have lubuntu right now, maybe double check you don't have capslock enabled and the correct keyboard map.
[19:07] <akem> paddy7, looks like it's normal, so yeah the output must have changed.
[19:07] <donofrio> no caps lock no num lock show password shows correct text
[19:09] <wxl> @paddy7x @TheLimeRunner you don't need nettools; `ip link show` will do the trick
 @wxl I've never used that command before. TIL something new!
[19:10] <wxl> well, it's the replacement for nettools, so
[19:10] <wxl> `ip a` should be considered a replacement for `ifconfig`
 Honestly I have not had to use my terminal for anything related to networking in linux since probably 2011.
[19:10] <wxl> technically it will show the mac address ("link/ether") but using `link show` will limit it to just that
 Found it
 Thanks John
 Np! :)
 Keep the commands wxl mentioned in a text doc incase you ever need them again :)
[19:14] <wxl> fwiw for support i almost always reference cli tools because they're unambiguous, their results are repeatable, and there's really only one way to do them. telling people where to click is often much harder.
 True! I'll keep that in mind. Would make support a lot easier when you're using the same commands cross platform rather than trying to figure out which gui they're using.
[19:16] <wxl> yuuup
[22:56] <pin_phreek_yt> hi everyone
[22:57] <kc2bez> o/
[23:15] <pkcbrandon> @kc2bez kc1chp here


[03:20] <BobLfoot> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing 20090622 was the last testing day?  What testing is the community doing now?
[03:24] <whereisdarran> they sent out an e-mail
[03:24] <whereisdarran> last week
[03:24] <whereisdarran> anyone know if the email is online anywhere?
[08:53] <davmor2> Morning All
[08:57] <ara> morning davmor2
[09:30] <popey> thanks again for the video ara
[09:30] <ara> popey, thanks to you for the quick publication ;-)
[09:33] <davmor2> ara: He grateful mostly because it is one he hasn't got to do :D
[09:34] <popey> :)
[09:59] <davmor2> ara: for those bugs it might be worth talking about setting importance at the next meeting
[09:59] <ara> davmor2, sure
[10:00] <ara> davmor2, but I think it can be deferred to UDS
[10:00] <ara> davmor2, next meeting is going to be more like "go testing the beta you lazy people!"
[10:07]  * davmor2 thinks the next meeting should be canceled in favour of testing anyway :)
[14:58] <davmor2> cr3: alternates should be working although I've been busily confirming other stuff, and noting more breakages :(  Morning by the way
[15:00] <cr3> davmor2: I've received test results for servers, so at least I know those are working which is a good indication for the alternate too
[15:01] <davmor2> I'm about to run a test and see if side by side is working on alternate
[18:05] <nagappan> cr3, Alberto suggested to use ncurses based Ubuntu installation to reproduce the issue on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/435570, where can I download it, I don't notice them in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/ ?
[18:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435570 in xorg "xorg hangs during karmic install" [Undecided,New]
[18:08] <jtatum> nagappan: it's the alternate install
[18:08] <nagappan> jtatum, ok, let me download it, thanks :)
[18:09] <mx> hello, is it the right channel to ask questions about bugs in karmic ?
[18:09] <jtatum> mx: depends... the general karmic support channel is #ubuntu+1
[18:10] <mx> my questions are about pulseaudio and the policy kit, so maybe i should if they have irc channels
[18:24] <cr3> nagappan: if you recall from a few days ago, when you first asked your question: [19:08] <cr3> nagappan: can you try installing from one of the alternate images available at the above URL and let me know if you get the same problem when rebooting after the installation?
[18:29] <nagappan> cr3, yes :)
[20:09] <davmor2> cr3: I don't mind testing it.  If I can get it up and running and write out a well laid doc for defaults then we have a repeatable test.  I'm having a quick play with the cluster side set up tonight not looking much different to a normal install at this point.  Then I'll just go through the steps I've been given which although complicated are easy enough to follow and monday night with any luck they'll of been a c
[20:10] <cr3> davmor2: wait a minute, it sounds like you're having fun!
[20:11] <davmor2> no no serious boring testing honest gov'nor
[20:11] <cr3> davmor2: that's better
[20:17] <davmor2> cr3: no I got a nice plan laid out I got an older box that I usually use for ltsp client (Pentium 4 iirc) which I'm using for the cluster and then as the node I'm using my nvidia test box as it was my old main box so is nicely speced.  and then for 64bit I'll use my other intel box again with the nvidia box as the node.  I've been told it's the node that does all the work the cluster just deals with the traffic.
[20:26] <davmor2> that seems to be up and running okay.  So I'm going to leave till monday and work with ttx to get the install up and running and tested and some docs out for a repeatable case Yay I rock ;) </modesty>


[07:24] <flocculant> why has bug 1623855 been marked wishlist?
[08:30] <ochosi> flocculant: i gueds because the progressbar bug was marked as importance low by the same guy
[08:31] <ochosi> but yeah, we should.probably do something about that
[08:31] <ochosi> <- unfortunately afk today...
[09:45] <bluesabre> flocculant, ochosi, we're good to upload... waiting for syncpackage to work so we can just grab the debian version
[11:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke
[18:07] <flocculant> knome: is it manana today?
[19:36] <flocculant> knome: http://wiki.xubuntu.org/playground/playground is read only :p
[19:37] <flocculant> oh - found sandbox now :D
[21:29] <flocculant> akxwi-dave knome - you have mail
[22:48] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: do you want to do the 'Hey - we have frozen images now' mail next week
[22:49] <flocculant> and then the obigatory 'oh - we've got x numbers of rebuilds too because ...' mails
[22:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: re same thing - assuming we're still suffering from bug 1622303 then - I think that finally we actually need to Not Release
[22:51] <flocculant> or that will still be about on 13th October and we'll end up releasing with the same type issue we've done previously
[22:52] <flocculant> and frankly Not Release plays right into our hands here imo
[22:53] <flocculant> dying on return from suspend/lock SHOULD be a blocker
[23:00] <flocculant> I'll check out gnome/mate/looby and main tomorrow too for the suspend issue
[23:00] <flocculant> we can hope it's not just us :)
[23:59] <flocculant> seems to be something going on with partitions too - though given that gparted freaks out with a usb sorted by 'disks' not sure where the issue is