[12:05] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, you leave the house at 6.45am??? that's a crazy time ;)
[12:06] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: yeah, i take the 7am train. the other options are 6:30, 7:30, and 8:00....and the latter two are jam packed
[12:07] <bhearsum> i'll deprive myself of sleep for a nicer commute :)
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> ah, fair enough :)
[12:07] <bhearsum> of course, i only come in 2-3 days a week, so it's easier than it sounds ):
[12:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's not too bad


[00:03] <phunyguy> yeah... :-/
[00:03] <phunyguy> no life and no money  ;)
[00:04] <romeyro> lolll
[00:04] <phunyguy> the life of an open source geek.
[00:04] <romeyro> yeah :S
[00:04] <romeyro> its hard
[00:04] <romeyro> lol
[00:04] <phunyguy> so did you fix it yet?
[00:05] <romeyro> no i took a break to make the diner
[00:05] <romeyro> i just came back
[00:05] <romeyro> i tried some stuff
[00:05] <phunyguy> wait, I knew I forgot something
[00:05] <romeyro> but nothing
[00:05] <phunyguy> dinner.
[00:05] <phunyguy> lol
[00:05] <romeyro> yeah thks lol
[00:05] <phunyguy> so anyways
[00:05] <romeyro> in french le diner is the dinner
[00:06] <phunyguy> I took French in school
[00:06] <phunyguy> just don't remember much
[00:06] <romeyro> its complicated
[00:06] <phunyguy> meh.
[00:06] <phunyguy> bonjour, comment allez vous?
[00:06] <romeyro> hahah
[00:06] <phunyguy> that's all I remember
[00:06] <phunyguy> this was 15 years ago
[00:07] <phunyguy> and now I realize why you said "the diner"
[00:07] <phunyguy> "le diner"
[00:07] <romeyro> exactly
[00:07] <phunyguy> we don't say "the dinner"
[00:07] <phunyguy> we say "dinner"
[00:07] <romeyro> ok ok
[00:07] <phunyguy> :)
[00:08] <romeyro> :P
[00:08] <phunyguy> so we narrowed the issue down to something in the wordpress database that is hardcoded to point to your private IP
[00:09] <phunyguy> did you use the wordpress setup page when you initially set up wordpress?
[00:09] <romeyro> yes
[00:09] <phunyguy> did you enter your private IP anywhere in there?
[00:09] <romeyro> i wrote localhost for the database
[00:09] <phunyguy> that is fine.  Only the server needs to know about the database
[00:10] <phunyguy> anywhere else?
[00:10] <phunyguy> earlier you said "I think I fixed it", what did you do to "fix it"?
[00:10] <romeyro> no i fixed 1 think
[00:11] <phunyguy> thing*
[00:11] <phunyguy> :)
[00:11] <romeyro> yes thks haha
[00:11] <romeyro> now i can see the pictures
[00:11] <romeyro> but when i check my ssl certificat there is website: localhost
[00:12] <romeyro> and its not my ip adress, i think its from there
[00:12] <phunyguy> ok what did you change to see the pictures?
[00:12] <phunyguy> yes, you are correct
[00:12] <phunyguy> everything should be relative to how the webserver was reached.
[00:13] <romeyro> to be honest with you i dont remember
[00:13] <phunyguy> but answer the question
[00:13] <phunyguy> lol.
[00:13] <phunyguy> did it involve IP addresses?
[00:14] <romeyro> yes i did something let me check really quick my files
[00:16] <romeyro> Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[00:16] <romeyro> in port.conf
[00:16] <phunyguy> ahh, ok.  You mentioned that you set up a virtual host
[00:17] <phunyguy> dammit brb
[00:21] <romeyro> phunyguy: i think that i set it up, but when i restart apache it says that i have no virtualhost configured http://paste.ubuntu.com/734796/
[00:27] <romeyro> phunyguy: i just fixed it :D, login and register page are working well
[00:28] <romeyro> phunyguy: i changed localhost for the server ip_add
[00:33] <phunyguy> yeah but I bet it wont work for me
[00:33] <phunyguy> nope.
[00:33] <phunyguy> where did you change that
[00:34] <romeyro> i changed that from the database in phpmyadmin
[00:34] <romeyro> i changed all entries localhost to my ipadd
[00:34] <romeyro> but now i have another problem lol
[00:34] <phunyguy> of course you do
[00:34] <romeyro> its not working from internet
[00:34] <phunyguy> nobody from the outside can see
[00:35] <romeyro> yeah :S
[00:35] <phunyguy> i can get to your phpmyadmin
[00:35] <phunyguy> can i login?
[00:35] <Technicus> Hello . . . I have 11.04 installed and I prefer to configure with verbose boot/shutdown.  I have adjusted /etc/default/grub line: '#GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"' to: '#GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" which boots to a consle.
[00:35] <Technicus> That is what I prefer.  What I am here for is that, during boot there is a moment when the screen turns blue, that is what I do not prefer.  How do I remove the momentary blue screen?
[00:37] <romeyro> i dont know why no one from outside cant get access
[00:37] <phunyguy> I do
[00:37] <phunyguy> would you mind if i logged into your phpmyadmin to look at the database?
[00:38] <phunyguy> or can you pastebin the database dump of what you changed?
[00:39] <phunyguy> you could just dump the whole thing too
[00:39] <phunyguy> thats up to you
[00:59] <markit> hi, what should I do to have system fonts look as good as Ubuntu?
[01:00] <markit> is just a matter of choose a different font default (which one?) or is there some option to activate?
[01:16] <bartman2589> question about network management, on my nice clean install of 11.04 my 'interfaces' file is practically empty, but if I click on the network manager tray icon, I get a little popup that shows 'Auto eth0' as being active even though it's not showing up in my interfaces file, anyone got any idea what's going on here?
[01:19] <jmichaelx> network manager does not rely on, or even use, /etc/network/interfaces
[01:20] <bartman2589> ok, so what does it use, I'm still trying to figure out why when I open network manager itself there are absolutely no connections listed even though I know 'Auto eth0' should be listed on the 'Wired' tab
[01:22] <jmichaelx> i'm not sure what your asking. you configure a network manager in its settings dialogue
[01:22] <jmichaelx> you're*
[01:24] <bartman2589> I'm aware of that, but there's already an 'Auto eth0' connection active but I can't access any of the configuration settings for that connection through network manager because it doesn't show up in network manager at all
[01:24] <bartman2589> I'm trying to get that connection to show up in network manager the way it's supposed to
[01:26] <bartman2589> the nm tray applet shows it but when I click 'Manage Connections' it doesn't show up in the network manager itself
[01:27] <jmichaelx> i have never heard of this problem, so do not know what to advise
[01:28] <bartman2589> I've had this problem all the way back to 9.04, every single version of Kubuntu I've installed has had this problem
[01:29] <bartman2589> I thought maybe it might have somehow been related to the way my particular network adapter was being detected, so this time around I disabled the onboard nic and installed a pci slot one before installing Kubuntu, still having the same problem though
[01:29] <jmichaelx> you might want to look around in the forums on that one. this is honestly something i've never heard of
[01:30] <jmichaelx> ok, that is making no sense
[01:30] <jmichaelx> are you doing fresh installations, or dist-upgrading each time?
[01:31] <bartman2589> fresh, wipe & format partition then install
[01:32] <jmichaelx> and by nm applet, i assume you are referring to the knetworkmanager plasma widget?
[01:33] <jmichaelx> not nm-applet?
[01:33] <bartman2589> I've been fighting with this computer for the last 4 days, first I was trying to install 11.10 but no matter what I did I couldn't get it to install, so I gave up and now I'm trying to get 11.04 working, at least it installed for me and everything seems ok for the msot part aside from the fact that I cannot manage my network connections
[01:33] <bartman2589> yes, the plasma widget
[01:35] <bartman2589> the thing is that both the plasma widget and the normal systray nm applet both launch the same network manager application when you click 'Manage Connections' as far as I know, so it's probably not related to the widget but rather a problem with some configuration file someplace I bet
[01:37] <jmichaelx> you are still confusing me....
[01:38] <bartman2589> the network manager config file located at /etc/NetworkManager/nm-systemsettings.conf mentions a file that supposedly exists at /etc/default/NetworkManager but there's no such file present on my system
[01:38] <jmichaelx> for one thing, KDE has plasma widgets... gnome had applets
[01:38] <jmichaelx> has*
[01:39] <jmichaelx> an nm-applet in KDE would not be normal
[01:39] <bartman2589> semantics, regardless when I open the network manager my connection is NOT listed
[01:40] <jmichaelx> it isn't semantics, from what you typed above, it would sound like you are trying to use two different network managers at the same time, which would not work
[01:40] <bartman2589> no, the widget isn't a full fledged network manager it merely calls the main network manager
[01:41] <bartman2589> and whether I go through the widget or if I go through systemsettings either one, my connection does not show up in network manager
[01:41] <jmichaelx> you are not being clear. please try to use the correct terminology....  what you see in the system tray for network management IS a plasma widget
[01:41] <bartman2589> but the widget DOES show 'Auto eth0' as being active
[01:42] <bartman2589> yes I realize that, my mistake, now focus on the fact that the problem is not with the widget but with network manager please
[01:42] <SIR_Taco> everyone take a deep breath.....
[01:42] <jmichaelx> where do you see this in system settings?
[01:43] <bartman2589> System Settings>Network Settings>Network Connections
[01:44] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: i think where you are losing me, is that in KDE these things are all called widgets
[01:44] <bartman2589> that's the same window I get when I click 'Manage Connections' from the widget
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:44] <bartman2589> get it now?
[01:45] <jmichaelx> i am not sure, but getting closer... i really did need to establish that you were not using two network managers at the same time
[01:46] <bartman2589> does kde install 2 network managers at the same time on a fresh clean unmodified install, no, and I already said it was a fresh clean install
[01:46] <jmichaelx> and you are saying that you have not configured anything manually in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:46] <bartman2589> no, nothing
[01:46] <SIR_Taco> bartman2589: No matter how frustrated you are, being an ass is not going to help get your problem resolved
[01:46] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: i understand you being frustrated, but the terminology you were using would have been confusing to a lot of people
[01:48] <bartman2589> only if they are idiots as far as I can tell, since while KDE may call them widgets, and gnome may call them applets the functionality is the same no matter what they're called, so it IS a matter of semantics, you say potato I say potAto
[01:48] <SIR_Taco> bartman2589: they're actually called Plasmoids
[01:49] <bartman2589> either way did I say I was having problems with the widget or the applet?  I'm actually very impressed that jmichaelx is still helping you with they way you're acting
[01:50] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: what does 'lspci | grep -i ethernet' give you?
[01:50] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: many people have both gnome and kde installed on the same machines
[01:52] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: don't get too frustrated... i've been there, and network issues will get a person sooner than about anything else
[01:54] <bartman2589> I can't copy and paste the results from that lspci command since it's on a different machine than the one I'm on right now, but it shows my network card a Realtek based card
[01:54] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: does it show both the onboard NIC and the PCI add-in?
[01:55] <bartman2589> no, onboard is disabled in bios right now
[01:55] <jmichaelx> ahh, ok
[01:55] <jmichaelx> so is this realtek card in use right now?
[01:55] <bartman2589> I did that so it wouldn't see it if that nic was the cause of the problem
[01:56] <bartman2589> yes it is
[01:56] <bartman2589> and it connects to the internet just fine
[01:57] <bartman2589> but the connection it's using isn't listed in network manager for whatever reason, that's what I need to fix so I can change the settings on that connection
[01:57] <jmichaelx> that means (obviously) that the network manager is configuring it, so i am also puzzled as to why it would not show up in the network manager's list of wired interfaces
[01:58] <bartman2589> me too, what I do know is that every single version of Kubuntu I've ever used on that particular machine has had this same problem
[01:59] <jmichaelx> one problem i have is that i do not use a network manager for wired connections
[02:00] <bartman2589> I do in case I need to change something for a moment, I'd rather do it with a gui than wade my way through countless config files
[02:00] <jmichaelx> if the network manager is giving you issues, for some weird reason, i could possibly help you set things up in your interfaces file.. then you could forget knetworkmanager
[02:00] <SIR_Taco> bartman2589: maybe the big question is: what do you need to change in your 'interfaces.conf' ?
[02:00] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: with wired connections, there are really only two files you'd need to worry about
[02:01] <bartman2589> well considering my interfaces file is practically empty, only a couple entries that relate to 'lo' are present in it right now
[02:02] <SIR_Taco> bartman2589: ok.... but what do you need to add/remove from the interfaces file?
[02:02] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: as SIR_Tacoasked, what is it that you are needing to change?
[02:03] <bartman2589> how should I know, I've never configured a system using that file before, what I need to do is specify a static IP address, my gateway, and a number of DNS servers somehow
[02:05] <bartman2589> even if I do configure it using the interfaces file, that would still leave the 'Auto eth0' connection that's not showing up in network manager active wouldn't it, possibly leading to security issues?
[02:05] <jmichaelx> no
[02:06] <bartman2589> you mean it would disable that connection automatically?
[02:06] <hspnc> bartman2589:I'm curious what would happen if you try to setup a 'new' connection in network manager for your wired interface.  Perhaps you'd see it afterwards.  It'd be interesting to know the results.
[02:06] <jmichaelx> yes, it that would be interesting
[02:07] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: from my experience, what is configured in /etc/network/interfaces overrrides network managers... that is at least my understanding
[02:07] <SIR_Taco> jmichaelx: yes
[02:08] <bartman2589> I just added a connection manually but only the one I added shows up
[02:09] <hspnc> bartman2589:That's progress in my book
[02:09] <bartman2589> ok, still would much rather get the nm working but if that's my only option I may have to go with it
[02:10] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: the network manager is what we are talking about, though
[02:10] <hspnc> bartman2589: over what interface are you connected to this IRC now?   The one that doesn't show up?  I take it that's a wired connection?  or are you using another connection?
[02:10] <bartman2589> on a different computer than the one having the problems right now
[02:11] <hspnc> bartman2589:ok, so now see if you can setup the network like you want it in network manager on the busted PC, now that you've added a connection manually
[02:12] <bartman2589> yeah, but nm is still borked, otherwise the 'Auto eth0' connection would show up in it so I could disable/edit the 'Auto eth0' entry
[02:12] <hspnc> bartman2589:Just try it and see what happens
[02:12] <bartman2589> I can edit the one I added manually without any problems
[02:12] <hspnc> bartman2589:what do you see if you do this command in a shell: dmesg | grep eth
[02:13] <jmichaelx> i still think there is some miscommunication going on.... bartman2589, i think when he told you to try adding a connection, he was referring to network manager's settings, not to your interfaces file
[02:13] <hspnc> I think he did add it in NM
[02:13] <bartman2589> I did it in network manager
[02:14] <bartman2589> I have no clue how to add one in the interfaces file really
[02:14] <hspnc> bartman2589:did you run that command?
[02:14] <bartman2589> and the one I manually added in nm works fine, can connect to internet and everything
[02:14] <SIR_Taco> everyone forget about the interfaces file lol
[02:14] <bartman2589> sorry didn't see that one, one sec
[02:15] <hspnc> bartman2589:is this a PCI card in a desktop or is it a USB interface, PC-card in a notebook, what?
[02:15] <jmichaelx> so that means the network manager isn't borked, doesn't it?
[02:15] <hspnc> NM could be partly borked
[02:15] <bartman2589> not entirely, just won't show one of the connections
[02:16] <SIR_Taco> bartman2589: you should only have one connection with a wire connection
[02:17] <bartman2589> I agree, SIR_Taco, and if nm would let me edit the default 'Auto eth0' connection I certainly would have only one, but the default 'Auto etho' connection that the nm plasma widget says is active is not showing up in network manager at all, only the new one that I just added manually shows up
[02:18] <hspnc> bartman2589:  Please open a shell - Konsole
[02:18] <bartman2589> bear in mind that I cannot paste the results of any commands here, it's all on a different machine
[02:19] <hspnc> it's ok
[02:19] <bartman2589> I have konsole open already on that machine
[02:19] <hspnc> run this command on the other computer: ls /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[02:19] <hspnc> what's listed?
[02:20] <bartman2589> nothing at all
[02:20] <hspnc> ok
[02:20] <hspnc> what's listed if you run this command: ls /etc/NetworkManager
[02:22] <bartman2589> -dispatcher.d (folder), nm-system settings.conf (file), system-connections (folder), VPN (folder)
[02:22] <bartman2589> at least I assume the blue entries are folders
[02:22] <hspnc> correct
[02:22] <hspnc> is the affected computer a desktop?
[02:23] <bartman2589> as opposed to a laptop or netbook, yes, though it's a tower case
[02:23] <hspnc> ok, what do you see when you run this command: dmesg | grep eth
[02:24] <hspnc> And, I know it's not how you'd like it, but if adding a connection manually results in you having a wired connection that you can see and fiddle with then is that a workable solution for now?
[02:25] <bartman2589> 3 results, rather lengthy, one is my Realtek nic, another is telling me the speed of the eth0 connection, and the last tells me there are no IPV6 routers present
[02:25] <bartman2589> all three point to eth0
[02:26] <hspnc> And, I know it's not how you'd like it, but if adding a connection manually results in you having a wired connection that you can see and fiddle with then is that a workable solution for now?
[02:26] <Belial`> anyone with an ios 5 device try copying music to it from clementine?
[02:27] <bartman2589> I'm concerned though about that 'Auto eth0' still being present and possibly being a security concern
[02:28] <hspnc> Not sure about that one.  Your interface can only be configured one way at a time.  Either it has a statically assigned IP or it is getting one via DHCP.
[02:28] <hspnc> Did you set a static IP on it via the new connection you created?
[02:28] <bartman2589> do you know where NM stores it configuration files, maybe if I manually remove it from the configuration files that might work
[02:28] <hspnc> If so, can you ping if from the other PC?
[02:29] <hspnc> it stores them  in /etc/NetworkManager
[02:29] <hspnc> If you setup a connection as a "system connection" then it stores it in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[02:30] <bartman2589> then the new connection I just made should show up in /etc/NetworkManager someplace right?
[02:31] <bartman2589> if it's supposed to I have to wonder why it doesn't
[02:32] <bartman2589> but yeah I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> without any problem
[02:32] <hspnc> not unless it's a 'system connection' - the way I understand it
[02:32] <bartman2589> so where would it be stored then?
[02:32] <hspnc> you should be able to see more information via the command line and you could enter the command: nm-tool
[02:32] <hspnc> to get output on all known connections that NM manages
[02:33] <bartman2589> nm-tool is only showing the connection I manually added
[02:34] <bartman2589> but the plasma widget in the tray shows both 'Auto eth0' and 'Eth1' (the connection I manually added to nm) present
[02:34] <hspnc> I'm no NM expert but there's a script that's run that turns up your interfaces (wired at least) automatically on boot.  Network Manager calls that script at start-up.
[02:35] <jmichaelx> eth0 may just be the network manager remembering your other NIC, despite that fact that you disabled it.
[02:35] <hspnc> And you cannot manage connections, see Auto eth0 and delete it right?
[02:35] <hspnc> oh, you have two NICs?
[02:36] <bartman2589> only one nic
[02:36] <jmichaelx> he has 2 NICs. the onboard he disabled in BIOS
[02:37] <bartman2589> yes, only one active though, the other was disabled before I even installed kubuntu and kubuntu does not even see that one
[02:37] <jmichaelx> eth0 is probably the onboard
[02:37] <hspnc> I'd have to shell into your box to do much more.  I'd just be happy that you have a working wired connection definition that you can fiddle with in NM for now.  Maybe post to the forums and get feedback from some other folks too.
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> if it wasn't... ifconfig would show more than Eth0 and Lo
[02:38] <hspnc> well, we can tell if it's still visible by doing a little more CLI work
[02:39] <bartman2589> eth0 is not the onboard, the onboard is not even found by the system, we confirmed that with the lspci | grep -i ethernet command
[02:39] <hspnc> You could do this command and then look for something that references the onboard NIC: lspci -v
[02:39] <SIR_Taco> hspnc: .... "<bartman2589> I'm concerned though about that 'Auto eth0' still being present and possibly being a security concern"....  you really think he wants you to have any access to his box?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: it might also be worthwhile for you to install a package named 'pastebinit'.. then you can do things like 'lspci | grep Ethernet | pastebinit', and it will then give you link to the pastebin
[02:40] <hspnc> SIR_Taco: I'm not offering to access his box, simply stating that diagnosing this way is pretty laborious
[02:40] <hspnc> yeah, good idea jmichaelx
[02:41] <bartman2589> ok, I'll install pastebin
[02:41] <jmichaelx> it is 'passtebinit'
[02:42] <jmichaelx> (just to make sure you find it easily)
[02:42] <jmichaelx> oops
[02:42] <jmichaelx> pastebinit*
[02:42] <bartman2589> ok, thanks, was just going to ask for full package name
[02:42] <hspnc> or just go to pastebin.com
[02:43] <bartman2589> bare with me a minute, installed it, need to reboot that box
[02:43] <hspnc> you don't need to reboot
[02:43] <SIR_Taco> bartman2589: do you know your static ip, netmask, network, broadcast, and gateway addresses?
[02:43] <hspnc> brb
[02:44] <bartman2589> not off hand but I can get it, just need to log into my modem to get some of that stuff, but the built in firewall might be a problem
[02:44] <bartman2589> it's a modem/router combo
[02:45] <SIR_Taco> but you're sure it gives a static IP?
[02:45] <SIR_Taco> to your computer, not the modem
[02:47] <bartman2589> with the new connection I just created earlier it does, the Auto eth0 one that's hiding someplace uses dhcp
[02:49] <bartman2589> Ok here's the results of lspci -v sent to pastebin: http://pastebin.com/deDH2cU0
[02:50] <bartman2589> I'd rather not have someone poking around though, I'd rather learn how to do it myself, ok, no offense
[02:51] <bartman2589> anyway as you can see in the lspci -v output my onboard nic is not being detected
[02:51] <bartman2589> only the Realtek one is found
[02:53] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: if you had the onboard disabled in BIOS before you installed, then i agree that the system should not be aware of that NIC... however, if it ever saw it, udev will remember that it HAD been there at one time
[02:53] <bartman2589> oh and my mistake, I've been so frazzled the last couple days when I was trying to install 11.10, I ended up installing 10.10 on this thing even though I thought I had grabbed my 11.04 disc, been a very rough couple days
[02:53] <bartman2589> it never saw it, I made sure of that
[02:55] <bartman2589> it's only ever seen the realtek card, definitely made sure the onboard was disabled before install, like I said I wanted to make sure it didn't see it in case that was the problem
[02:57] <bartman2589> I had this problem on 11.04 though the other day before I tried a release updgrade to 11.10, so either way if we can figure it out then when I do actually get 11.04 on this thing I can probably straighten it out easily enough
[02:59] <bartman2589> still there?
[03:00] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: as far as i can tell, your problem has pretty much been solved.
[03:00] <jmichaelx> you can now edit your network settings
[03:00] <jmichaelx> the fact that eth0 is listed does not matter
[03:01] <bartman2589> still have that 'Auto eth0' ghost though someplace I want to make sure that connection isn't going to be active at all
[03:01] <jmichaelx> if you have the device desabled in BIOS, or it just does not exist , it just does not exist and will not connect to anything
[03:02] <jmichaelx> disabled*
[03:02] <bartman2589> ok, here's what you're missing, before I manually added the 'Eth1' connection, I was still able to connect to the internet and everything
[03:03] <bartman2589> so that 'Auto eth0' DOES exist!!
[03:03] <jmichaelx> what output do you get with 'ifconfig -a'
[03:03]  * jmichaelx sigh
[03:05] <EvilResistance> i accidentially disabled KNetworkManager's autostart function... how can i reenable that function so it starts with login?
[03:05] <bartman2589> http://pastebin.com/euZ62BtW
[03:06] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: all you have is eth0... it is eth1 that does not appear to exist
[03:06] <bartman2589> the thing to note here is that the address assigned to eth0 in those results IS NOT the address I assigned when I added the 'Eth1' connection manuallly
[03:07] <bartman2589> and yet I'm using my connection that I named 'Eth1' (note I named it that, it does NOT point to a separate nic identified as eth1)
[03:07] <jmichaelx> eth0 is the only device that it can see... and the only one with an IP
[03:08] <zorobabel> getting tired of my wifi being slow as shite
[03:08] <bartman2589> you're missing the point that I named the connection as 'Eth0' I could just as easily have named it 'test' or something else
[03:08] <bartman2589> I mean 'Eth1'
[03:09] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: look.... eth0 is  the ONLY network device your system is aware of
[03:09] <jmichaelx> it's local IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:10] <bartman2589> yes, but I have a connection to eth0 that I NAMED/NICKNAMED 'Eth1' that's the one I configured with an ip address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:10] <bartman2589> it is not a separate hardware device identified as eth1
[03:10] <jmichaelx> that may all be, but that is not being used, and will not be used
[03:10] <bartman2589> then why can I ping it?
[03:11] <jmichaelx> you can ping 152?
[03:11] <bartman2589> YES, confirmed way up above!!
[03:11] <jmichaelx> can you ping 161?
[03:12] <bartman2589> probably not because I can toggle it on/off in the plasma widget, let me toggle it on and try though
[03:13] <jmichaelx> also, what is the MAC address it shows for eth1? is it not the same as eth0?
[03:13] <bartman2589> if I toggle it on then yes I can ping it
[03:14] <jmichaelx> then eth1 and eth0 are the same device...  and you can do whatever you want with them, but this is not a security issues
[03:15] <bartman2589> my eth1 connection is set to bind to any mac address, not sure what the 'Auto eth0' is set to since that's the one I cannot edit
[03:16] <bartman2589> Is there a config file someplace that I can maybe manually remove that 'Auto eth0' connection from?
[03:16] <jmichaelx> i already showed you those details.... ifconfig -a shows you EVERY single network device that is enabled, configured or not
[03:16] <jmichaelx> and it shows the MAC address
[03:18] <bartman2589> ok miscommunication on my part, I meant to say I cannot tell if the 'Auto eth0' connection is set to bind to a specific mac address or if like the one I added it is set to bind to ANY mac address, because I cannot edit the connection settings, so I can't see if it's set for ANY mac address
[03:19] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: look, there is only one network device available... only one MAC address that could be used, unless you enable another network device
[03:19] <bartman2589> you're not getting it
[03:20] <bartman2589> I know there is only one HARDWARE DEVICE
[03:20] <EvilResistance> is there any way to force network manager to start on login?  i accidentially somehow disabled that.
[03:20] <bartman2589> but the connection manager connection names DO NOT HAVE TO REFLECT WHICH HARDWARE DEVICE THEY USE
[03:20]  * jmichaelx sighs again
[03:21] <bartman2589> either way I want to know  where the settings for that 'Auto eth0' connection would be stored
[03:22] <claydoh> in the version of kde in 11.04, it is not possible to edit/remove the auto eth0 entry easily, though in kde 4.7 you can edit it delete it whatever, it is a known limitation
[03:22] <claydoh> i don't know where it is stored atm
[03:22]  * claydoh looks on google for the answer
[03:23] <jmichaelx> you are probably dealing with udev settings
[03:23] <bartman2589> I do appreciate the attempts to help me jmichaelx
[03:24] <jmichaelx> ty bartman2589
[03:24] <bartman2589> I'm just getting so very very very sick of nothing working the way it's supposed to regardless of which release I install
[03:25] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: most people would feel that things are working. set network manager to use eth1, and configure it. there is no way that the 'auto eth0' device is going to compromise your security
[03:26] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: i would also recommend just ditching network manager on wired networks
[03:26] <claydoh> try wicd if it doesn't work, but in kde 4.7 you can easily edit remove disable anything about that default entry
[03:26] <bartman2589> with 11.04 the default grub resolution is one my monitor won't display, same in 11.10, on top of which 11.10 won't even load the installer, release upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 doesn't work, etc.............
[03:27] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: i have seen issues with resolutions in grub before
[03:27] <bartman2589> I'm ready to stick a propane canister in my pc and open it then use a remote switch of some kind to switch the pc on
[03:27] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:27] <jmichaelx> umm, don't do it
[03:28] <jmichaelx> what issues do you run into when trying to upgrade to a new release?
[03:28] <bartman2589> I can get around the grub resolution problem, but using the 'Boot Repair' cd I downloaded and telling it to uncomment the grfxpayload entry
[03:28] <jmichaelx> ok, that is foreign territory to me
[03:29] <bartman2589> when I try a clean install of 11.10 no matter which install media I use I can't get the installer to load, boot screen comes up fine, but beyond that nothing works
[03:29] <jmichaelx> hmm, brb
[03:30] <bartman2589> boot screen where you choose 'start kubuntu' or 'install kubuntu' I mean
[03:30] <bartman2589> not the graphical one where you choose 'Try Kubuntu' or "Install Kubuntu" I never make it to that one
[03:34] <bartman2589> even choosing "Install in text mode" won't work, switches to a display resolution my monitor won't display
[03:34] <bartman2589> and it's not a very old monitor
[03:38] <OerHeks> sounds related to the videocard, too old or too new, like optimus.
[03:38] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: back
[03:38] <phoenix_firebrd> My system takes 72 sec to boot :(
[03:38]  * jmichaelx agrees with OerHeks
[03:38] <jmichaelx> bartman2589: what video card are you using?
[03:45] <bartman2589> nvidia 7600gs agp w/512 mb ram
[03:46] <jmichaelx> seems to me that card should work fine
[03:46] <bartman2589> yeah, 'should' being the operative word
[03:47] <jmichaelx> what is your monitor's native resolution?
[03:47] <bartman2589> max resolution is 1440x900
[03:47] <bartman2589> Acer X193W
[03:48] <bartman2589> 19" widescreen lcd display
[03:48] <bartman2589> using 15 pin d-sub vga connector
[03:49] <jmichaelx> i can understand why that would be frustrating
[03:49] <OerHeks> the nomodeset fix won't work ?
[03:49] <bartman2589> I can try
[03:51] <bartman2589> let me quick make a bootable flash drive since that seems to install faster than cd does
[03:54] <bartman2589> making it from dvd iso that way I have access to the alternate installer at the same time
[03:54] <bartman2589> might take a few minutes though
[03:55] <bartman2589> amazingly 11.10 installs and works fine on my much older Compaq D510SFF with an ancient nvidia MX-4000 pci card and only a 2.2ghz p4 w/1.5gb ram
[03:56] <bartman2589> even the network manager works right on it
[03:56] <bartman2589> in that it shows and allows me to edit the 'Auto eth0' connection
[03:57] <bartman2589> unlike any previous version of Kubuntu on any of my computers
[04:21] <bartman2589> Ok using nomodeset with alternate installer seems to be working so far to install 11.10, keeping my fingers crossed
[05:05] <zorobabel> weird, apt-get of wine was totally jacked
[05:51] <bartman2589> Ok, used nomodeset and acpi=off switches to start install with alternate installer for 11.10, install went fine but now when I try to boot into 11.10 I get a relatively low resolution version of the animated boot splash (the one that says 'Kubuntu' with the dots under it), and then it goes to a display resolution I can't display, any thoughts?
[05:53] <bartman2589> I tried pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 through F6 to try switching to a different run level but apparently whatever is happening is keeping Kubuntu from booting far enough in to start the various run levels let alone start the x server
[05:54] <bartman2589> this is like my 10th try to install 11.10
[06:00] <bartman2589> ok so right now I have the following kernel switches being used: nomodeset acpi=off vga=normal fb=false.  And still it won't boot into a display resolution I can display, at least now though it is letting me access the different run levels so I can at lease login at a shell prompt, any thoughts on what to do now?
[06:04] <zorobabel> I want this desktop shell scripting console but don't seem to have it
[06:04] <tohuw> If I've borked amarok's settings, how can I forcibly reset them to the installation defaults?
[06:04] <tohuw> I didn't see a config dir in my home anywhere...
[06:05] <DarthFrog> tohuw: It'll be under ~/.kde
[06:05] <DarthFrog> ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[06:06] <DarthFrog> BTW, the "rc" at the end of a file name usually means "run control".
[06:07] <tohuw> Ah, there they are! Thank you.
[06:07] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[06:09] <chaospsychex> hi guys
[06:09] <chaospsychex> i'm having a problem launching a widget i installed from the 'panel tool box'
[06:10] <chaospsychex> it's the 'eg-syscon-qc' widget
[08:22] <excognac> hi all
[08:50] <seemawn> hi
[08:50] <seemawn> i have a strange issue:
[08:51] <seemawn> when the screen is locked, I enter the password, and the system takes very long until the screen is loaded agein.
[08:51] <seemawn> The dialog-box for pw-entering does not disappear.
[08:52] <seemawn> zy
[08:53] <seemawn> it seems that the screen remains unlocked. When the pw was incorrect, it reports immediately.
[08:53] <seemawn> asdf
[08:53] <seemawn> sry.
[08:54] <seemawn> even when the computer was not suspended or hibernated or sth.
[08:56] <naftilos76> For those who face problems with Kopete being unable to connect to MSN, please download and install latest libmsn0.3 from launchpad. My kopete worked immediately after the update of that lib. My KDE is 4.7.3. Link: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/84878856/libmsn0.3_4.2-1_amd64.deb
[09:10] <ichbinder> hello. How can I share folders with a win7 computer over network using Kubuntu? I've shared with the same win7 system and Ubuntu 11.04 before, so the win7 is configured correctly... So, for ubuntu this works: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/04/share-files-folders-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/ for Kubuntu I tried to follow this guide but it seems outdated...
[09:10] <ichbinder> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/windows.html#shareout
[09:27] <progre55> hi guys. anyone else has problems with sound on oneiric? not sure if skype is anyhow related, but I've only experienced it with skype on. when talking on skype, if any other app makes sound, the whole system sound is lost and skype freezes.
[09:28] <progre55> tried running skype on a terminal window, doesnt output any errors
[09:58] <kubuntu_user> when kde 4.7.3 will available for kubuntu 11.04 from backport ppa?
[10:01] <szal> chances are that it won't be, afaik there were no new KDE versions for Maverick either after Natty was released
[10:03] <kubuntu_user> 4.7.2 was available in backport ppa in 20 days after official release.  I hope 4.7.3 will at 25 Nov
[10:13] <ubuntu> hi
[11:50] <plotino> hi every body
[11:51] <plotino> i dont get to shutdown the PC with KDE plasma
[12:48] <KjetilK> I have a weird problem: I can't get kmail to send messages in my outbox
[12:49] <KjetilK> I have two SMTP servers configured, they both work on a different computer
[12:49] <KjetilK> one is a really basic non-encrypted, no authentication SMTP server that I can trivially talk to using telnet
[12:50] <KjetilK> I see no error messages of any kind, it just fails to send the messages in the outbox
[12:59] <KjetilK> hmmm, there they went... I did a reboot... :-(
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:54] <Roey> hi how do I install Lancelot?  I apt-got installed its package, now what?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Roey, alt+f2
[13:59] <saravana> hai
[13:59] <saravana> hi
[14:04] <Roey> BluesKaj:  alt-f2 and then what?
[14:04] <Roey> just 'lancelot' ?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:25] <saravana> guys help me i need to install skype im usin kubuntu 11.04 beta version
[14:27] <saravana> guys help me here plz
[14:28] <Lynoure> saravana: you add the partner repo
[14:28] <Lynoure> saravana: then apt-get install skype    (this is all from memory, as I'm not on my home computer now)
[14:39] <adi11> hi all. i installed ubuntu 11.10 on my hp dv 7600. this is dual boot with win7. after grub screen it starts the loading the os, so the ubuntu logo and the dots are loading. than it hangs on a black screen for about one minute. after that it load the OS ok. than on shut down it takes like a min or more. its like in the times of feisty fawn. what possibly causes the hangover ? is there a log text file to see what causes this? thanks
[14:40] <adi11> i installed nvidia 285 drivers and i like this but its just that it takes so long to load and shutdown.
[14:41] <saravana> how to install skype in kubuntu 11.04 beta
[14:43] <adi11> saravana : kubuntu 11.10 is out. as for skype download skype from skype website. thank on your pc reight click and chose install with debi
[14:45] <BluesKaj> saravana,  upgrade to 11.04 , it's been out since April , then if you wish to 11.10, which was released last month
[14:46] <BluesKaj> !pm | saravana
[14:47] <BluesKaj> !skype | saravana
[14:58] <mr-rich> My Mic makes me sound like Alvin the Chipmunk. It doesn't matter what app I use (audacity, skype), it always gets recorded 3X faster then it should. Is there some golbal Mic setting I'm missing?
[15:00] <Deet`> my internet connections time out when ever i leave the computer alone for a few hours, any idea as to why that is?
[15:03] <naftilos76> hi i have a problem with the appearance of GTK apps in Kubuntu. I am in 11.10 with KDE 4.7.3. I have already tried to select the different options that system settings->apps appearance->GTK appearance but nothing works. For example, pavumeter appears ugly with controls looking like gnome 5 years ago! Can anybody help?
[15:06] <mr-rich> Deet`: prolly a function of your ISP ...
[15:06] <mr-rich> naftilos76: Ditto here ...
[15:07] <mr-rich> I use Evo for email and it look hidious ... icons missing, etc
[15:07] <lolzer> hi i have  just install the kde desktop in ubuntu .... i am facing problems with sound output in my headphones
[15:07] <naftilos76> I am sorry what exactly is the menaing of "Ditto here..."
[15:08] <lolzer> the balance is not correct and the sound is comparatively  lower than it was
[15:08] <mr-rich> naftilos76: dating my self ... "me, too" ...
[15:09] <naftilos76> mr-rich: I guess then everyone has this issue...Briliant...
[15:10] <mr-rich> naftilos76: my guess is it will be fixed in a future update ...
[15:10] <mr-rich> gotta go ...
[15:10] <naftilos76> bye bye
[15:11] <lolzer> hi i have  just install the kde desktop in ubuntu .... i am facing problems with sound output in my headphones
[15:11] <lolzer> the balance is not correct and the sound is comparatively  lower than it was
[15:12] <naftilos76> future updates will fix everything...
[15:12] <Deet`> well mr-rich would be wrong as i have 3 windows machines that don't do it and one more kubuntu desktop that has no such problem
[15:14] <lolzer> everything was working fine in ubuntu
[15:14] <naftilos76> lolzer: go through all mixer settings, install, if not already installed, pavumeter and check all the levels there. You may also want to check alsa-mixer which is a konsole-based pseudo graphical mixer
[15:15] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, alt +f2 kdesudo systemsettings , set your gtk fonts and themes as root should give theme options that will look better and stick
[15:15] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: let me try that
[15:16] <lolzer> k
[15:19] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: it didn't help. firestarter , pavumeter etc appear as if i am in 2005!!!
[15:20] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Back in KDE 4.6.5 things were fine at least as this issue is concerned
[15:21] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, well. eye candy isn't a problem for me , i don';t let it over ride more important issues , so i can't you much
[15:21] <BluesKaj> help
[15:22] <naftilos76> no harm done thanks though
[15:25] <lolzer> naftilos76, the pavumeter is not showign anything
[15:25] <lolzer> showing*
[15:25]  * BluesKaj likes the simple uncluttered "look" that oxygen and plastik provide , since I'm 3M away from my monitor I need larger titlebar (_) X etc
[15:26] <BluesKaj> lolzer, have you setup your default device in phonon ?
[15:26] <lolzer> naftilos76, the alsammixer is working fine but it feels like something missing
[15:27] <lolzer> phonon??
[15:27] <lolzer> its default settings
[15:27] <lolzer> in phonon
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lolzer, kmeny >computer>system settings>multimedia/phonon/device preference
[15:28] <BluesKaj> kmenu
[15:29] <BluesKaj> make sure the device works with the test button
[15:30] <lolzer> its in internal audio analog stereo .. and in test too the left right  balance is off
[15:31] <BluesKaj> check your pavucontrol balance
[15:35] <lolzer> BluesKaj,  i checked and adjusted it to match ... but on the left side is more kindf of bass and the right is very flat
[15:35] <lolzer> BluesKaj, is there any software that gives a good effect we can adjust??
[15:36] <BluesKaj> there's an equalizer available with balaqnce ctrls
[15:36] <BluesKaj> err balance
[15:38] <lolzer> k
[15:44] <lolzer> BluesKaj, i couldnt find the equalizer ... can you plz tell me where to find it??
[15:45] <BluesKaj> in your package manager , muon or apper
[15:50] <xuser1> hi
[15:50] <xuser1> can you recomend me a alternative to gnome 3 ?
[15:51] <phunyguy> KDE?
[15:51] <phunyguy> xuser1:
[15:52] <xuser1> excluding kde , lxde and xfce?
[15:52] <phunyguy> Ubuntu unity?
[15:52] <phunyguy> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[15:52] <xuser1> no unitry and gnome 3
[15:53] <phunyguy> fluxbox?
[15:53] <phunyguy> e16 or e17, whatever it was called?
[15:53] <phunyguy> may I ask why you want to know all this?
[15:54] <xuser1> no
[15:54] <xuser1> ;)
[15:54] <xuser1> i hate gnome 3
[15:55] <szal> xuser1: just noting that you are asking in #kubuntu, what do you expect us to answer? ;)
[15:55] <xuser1> maybe you can recommend me a good window manager like awn
[15:56] <xuser1> avant-window-navigator
[15:56] <xuser1> :D
[15:57] <xuser1> ?
[15:57] <szal> get the heck out of here with those DIY minimal window so-called managers :P
[15:57] <xuser1> diy ?
[15:57] <Lynoure> hee
[15:58] <xuser1> what is diy?
[15:58] <xuser1> (:|
[15:58] <Lynoure> xuser1: if you like none of the *buntu default sets, but *buntu?
[15:59] <xuser1> i like ubuntu with gnome but i dont like that panel
[16:00] <xuser1> so i want a good window manager
[16:00] <xuser1> ;;)
[16:01] <xuser1> i want use gnome 3 withowt panel because  gnome have best aplications
[16:01] <xuser1> >:D<
[16:02] <Lynoure> xuser1: if you like gnome, you are better off on #ubuntu
[16:02] <genii-around> Ratpoison
[16:02] <Lynoure> xuser1: here people will tell you 5 ways to tweak your panels instead :)
[16:02] <Lynoure> the KDE panels, that is.
[16:03] <xuser1> i dont wanna use kde panel in gnome
[16:03]  * Lynoure normally uses 4 panels, 3 corners and one side
[16:03] <Lynoure> xuser1: indeed! so you are on the wrong channel
[16:03] <xuser1> other idea ?
[16:03] <xuser1> why?
[16:03] <Lynoure> xuser1: this is the _k_ubuntu channel.
[16:05] <xuser1> i know , but in ubuntu channel are a lot of users who need help and i dont have a big 'problem'
[16:05] <Lynoure> xuser1: the people who actually use gnome will have a better idea of all the panel alternatives for gnome
[16:05]  * Lynoure gives up and goes home.
[16:06] <xuser1> ok
[16:06] <xuser1> i will ask ubuntu channel
[16:06] <xuser1> for a good alternative
[16:06] <xuser1> I-)
[16:06] <xuser1> bye
[16:07] <reisi> does anyone have vlc w/ fglrx hw video accel working on 11.10?
[16:11] <saravana> i installed skype using wine but its not loggin me in ..... help me out please
[16:15] <saravana> any idea guys
[16:17] <Stronze> how do i use the KDE gui over unbuntu? i tried lubuntu but i dont like the GUI
[16:17] <BluesKaj> saravana, why are you using wine ?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> Stronze, install kubuntu-desktop
[16:18] <saravana> to install windows software
[16:19] <Stronze> bluekaj - ubuntu software center?
[16:21] <saravana> bluekaj , any suggestions
[16:21] <BluesKaj> !skype | saravana
[16:22] <BluesKaj> Stronze, yes , or open a terminal , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:22] <saravana> bluekaj thanks dude
[16:22] <BluesKaj> saravana, it's BluesKaj
[16:23] <Stronze> thanks bluekaj, i was putting incorrect search terms in the search bar
[16:24] <saravana> blueskaj, partner repo is not workin for me
[16:25] <romeyro> hello guys
[16:28] <BluesKaj> make sure you have it checked / enabled in software sources, saravana
[16:29] <saravana> BluesKaj: is ekiga free for video callin and chat
[16:30] <DarthFrog> !ekiga | saravana
[16:32] <BluesKaj> saravana, alt+f2 kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , make sure there's no # infront of the canonical partners repository
[16:34] <BluesKaj> saravana, after editing the sources list you should be able to install skype
[16:34] <saravana> its 2 ## BluesKaj
[16:35] <BluesKaj> saravana,no the line that begis with deb
[16:35] <BluesKaj> begins
[16:37] <BluesKaj> saravana, of course after editing save the file
[16:37] <BluesKaj> and update
[16:38] <saravana> BluesKaj: i hav to type ah??
[16:38]  * BluesKaj is distracted by 2 dogs on the loose going at the neighbours garbage ...bbl
[16:39] <DarthFrog> saravana:  What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[16:40] <saravana> 11.04 beta
[16:40] <DarthFrog> Wow.  A beta of an earlier version.  Why?
[16:41] <DarthFrog> Did BluesKaj's instructions make sense to you?
[16:41] <saravana> im new to linux
[16:41] <saravana> thats why
[16:41] <saravana> did  mistake
[16:43] <DarthFrog> What mistake?
[16:43] <saravana> just 8 hrs ago i installed this , i didnt notice the new version 11.10
[16:44] <DarthFrog> Do you want to know how to go to 11.10 without re-installing?
[16:45] <saravana> i dont know , do u 1?
[16:45] <DarthFrog> That's up to you.  But I suggest that you at least update to the release version of 11.04 from the beta version.
[16:46] <saravana> hmmm how????????
[16:46] <DarthFrog> Do I know?  Yes, I know how.
[16:46] <saravana> tell me
[16:48] <DarthFrog> OK, read all of this before doing any of it.  First, type Alt-F2, which will bring up a small window that your can type into (called krunner).  Type "konsole" into that wee window.  This will launch a command line window.  Do this now and position the Konsole window somewhere convenient.
[16:48] <saravana> k i did , then
[16:49] <DarthFrog> Everything from now on is typed at the command line in that Konsole window.  Type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" all on one line.  Give your password when asked for it.
[16:50] <DarthFrog> That will update you system to the full 11.04.  It'll take a while, perhaps a long while.  Let it run.  You can use your computer while it's running.  You will have to reboot once it's finished.
[16:50] <DarthFrog> Once you're fully up to date with 11.04, you can then think about upgrading to 11.10.
[16:51] <DarthFrog> If you want.
[16:51] <DarthFrog> It's simpler to do.
[16:51] <saravana> i did
[16:51] <saravana> it shows
[16:52] <saravana> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[16:52] <saravana> saravana@saravana-desktop:~$
[16:52] <DarthFrog> Really???  Hmm.  Do you have /etc/apt/sources.list file open in an editor?
[16:53] <DarthFrog> i.e. in Kate?
[16:53] <saravana> it says doesnt exist
[16:53] <saravana> i hav
[16:53] <saravana> kate editor
[16:54] <saravana> i opened it
[16:54] <DarthFrog> Type "cd /etc/apt", then type "ls".  What files are there (I don't care about sources.list.d)
[16:55] <saravana> apt.conf.d  preferences.d  secring.gpg  sources.list  sources.list~  sources.list.d  sources.list.save  trustdb.gpg  trusted.gpg  trusted.gpg~  trusted.gpg.d
[16:55] <saravana> saravana@saravana-desktop:/etc/apt$
[16:56] <saravana> i did what u said
[16:56] <yofel> is "E: The list of sources could not be read." ALL it says? or does it say something before it?
[16:56] <saravana> then wat to do
[16:57] <DarthFrog> saravana:  Type "ls" and see what files are there.
[16:57] <saravana> after typin ls the above line came
[16:57] <DarthFrog> saravana: If you have a kate window open, editing /etc/apt/sources.list, please close it.
[16:58]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[16:58]  * DarthFrog passes his mug to genii-around
[16:58]  * genii-around fills it with tasty caffeinated goodness
[17:00] <saravana> ya man i closed it
[17:00] <saravana> apt.conf.d     sources.list    sources.list.save  trusted.gpg~
[17:00] <saravana> preferences.d  sources.list~   trustdb.gpg        trusted.gpg.d
[17:00] <saravana> secring.gpg    sources.list.d  trusted.gpg
[17:00] <saravana> saravana@saravana-desktop:/etc/apt
[17:00] <DarthFrog> Ok, now do those "sudo apt-get ..." commands again.
[17:01]  * BluesKaj is puffed out from chasing "dogs on the loose" away from the garbage bins . no collars or ID tags , they looked half wild ...probly some farm dogs on the run ...we get that periodically
[17:01] <DarthFrog> Use the Up arrow in your konsole window to retrieve the commands from your scrollback buffer.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> oops wrong room
[17:01] <saravana> it shows some list of commands
[17:02] <ale152> hello
[17:02] <DarthFrog> Find the sudo apt-get commands and hit Enter.
[17:02] <DarthFrog> Good morning ale152, we were wondering when you'd get here. :-)
[17:02] <ale152> I'l like to open the content of a file with mplayer. I tried with:  mplayer `cat %u` with no success :(
[17:03] <DarthFrog> ale152:  "mplayer <filename>"
[17:03] <ale152> morning? what time is it for you? :D
[17:03] <DarthFrog> 9 AM here, on the very wet coast of Canada.
[17:03] <ale152> cool
[17:03] <saravana> which one
[17:03] <ale152> 6 pm for me :D
[17:03] <saravana> there is no such commands
[17:04] <ale152> DarthFrog, I'd like to configure the "open with" tool of firefox (kde)
[17:04] <DarthFrog> saravana: OK, never mind.  Type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[17:05] <DarthFrog> ale152:  That's under Edit/Preferences/Applications in Firefox.
[17:05] <saravana> E: Type 'n0' is not known on line 46 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:05] <saravana> E: Type 'p://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu' is not known on line 8 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-ppa-natty.list
[17:05] <saravana> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[17:05] <saravana> saravana@saravana-desktop:/etc/apt$
[17:05] <saravana> then wat to do
[17:06] <DarthFrog> saravana: You'll have to fix the sources.list file.  You have typographical errors.
[17:06] <ale152> DarthFrog, I don't want to open the file, but the url  that is in the file
[17:07] <DarthFrog> ale152:  Hmm.  I'd write a shell scrip to extract the URL.
[17:08] <ale152> mmm
[17:08] <ale152> why can't do a simple mplayer `cat %u`?
[17:08] <DarthFrog> Don't know. :-)
[17:08] <DarthFrog> What happens when you try it on the command line?
[17:09] <ale152> uh, problem solved!
[17:09] <ale152> I found --playlist that open file content :D
[17:09] <DarthFrog> :-)  I like it when that happes.
[17:09] <ale152> mplayer -playlist %u :)
[17:10] <ale152> no :O
[17:10] <ale152> it doesn't work :(
[17:10] <ale152> mplayer -playlist file.m3u works
[17:11] <ale152> but "open with" mplayer -playlist %u no :(
[17:13] <DarthFrog> ale152:  Does something like: "mplayer | xargs cat <filename> -" work?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, what about dist-upgrade , won't that bring him to latest 11.04 ?
[17:13] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  Yes, but he's screwed up his sources.list file and will need to do an update first.
[17:14] <Stronze> gotta say, im in love with kubuntu's interface. it has the perfect mix of organized interface and good looking graphics
[17:14] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: He's running a beta of 11l04.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ok .. should  have scrolled back to take a look
[17:20] <ale152> DarthFrog, now it works just with -playslit :|
[17:20] <ale152> who knows :D
[17:25] <adminku> hello?
[17:27] <adminku> anybody?
[17:27] <DarthFrog> Nobody here but us chickens.
[17:27] <adminku> :)
[17:28] <adminku> Need little help...
[17:28] <adminku> need little help...
[17:28] <DarthFrog> !ask
[17:29] <adminku> just installed kubunto 11.10 on DH67CL motherboard and resolution won't go higher than 1020/768...
[17:30] <DarthFrog> What driver are you using?  What video card do you have?
[17:30] <adminku> don't know dh67cl says all
[17:30] <DarthFrog> Perhaps that's all it's capable of.
[17:31] <adminku> on win 7 it goes 1920x1080
[17:32] <DarthFrog> Well, you need to find out what video chip is being used.  It probably needs to have a proprietary driver installed to get that rez.
[17:32] <adminku> ok... thx
[17:32] <DarthFrog> adminku: At the command line, type "lspci" and look for a line that starts with "VGA'.
[17:33] <DarthFrog> That'll tell you the chipset.
[17:33] <DarthFrog> !ATI | adminku
[17:34] <adminku> looking
[17:34] <adminku> not much... "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[17:34] <adminku> "
[17:35] <DarthFrog> Sorry, I don't know anything about Intel based video.
[17:36] <DarthFrog> If you want more info, type "lspci -vv | less"  and stand back. :-)
[17:37] <adminku> lshw:   *-display
[17:37] <adminku>        description: VGA compatible controller
[17:37] <adminku>        product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[17:37] <adminku>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[17:37] <adminku>        physical id: 2
[17:37] <adminku>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[17:37] <adminku>        version: 09
[17:37] <adminku>        width: 64 bits
[17:37] <adminku>        clock: 33MHz
[17:37] <adminku>        capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
[17:37] <adminku>        configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[17:37] <adminku>        resources: irq:52 memory:fe000000-fe3fffff memory:e0000000-efffffff ioport:f000(size=64)
[17:37] <adminku> a
[17:37] <DarthFrog> adminku:  Don't post that stuff here.  Use pastebin!
[17:37] <DarthFrog> !pastebin | adminku
[17:38] <adminku> ok, sorry...
[17:41] <adminku> answer to your "lspci -vv | less" at http://paste.ubuntu.com/735469/
[17:43] <DarthFrog> adminku: Ah, that was for your benefit.  I know nothing about Intel video.
[17:46] <adminku> should I buy a NVIDIA/ATI video board?
[17:48] <Resistance> adminku:  depends on your hardware and what it can support
[18:03] <krypt> hi, hat jemand Erfahrung mit dem Telkom Mediencenter mounten?
[18:07] <Daskreech> !de
[18:30] <valorie> reddit users, vote up: http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/m8ver/help_kde_with_just_a_few_clicks_1000_euro/
[18:36] <MeanderingCode> hello all.  anyone know why switching "activities" has now hosed left clicking on my panels?
[18:36] <MeanderingCode> but only left clicking...right clicking works fine :/  this is across reboots
[18:37] <MeanderingCode> the only thing i can click in the panel is the icon for pidgen in the tray widget
[18:37] <MeanderingCode> and that includes the cashew
[18:37] <MeanderingCode> :/
[18:46] <plotino> hi
[18:46] <plotino> how to shutdown the PC with KDE plasma?
[18:46] <plotino> i only get to exit from session
[18:46] <plotino> and if i halt it
[18:47] <plotino> system say "system halted" but PC keeps ON
[18:48] <Squidy> hello guys... I'm trying to use Ubuntu Customization Kit (UCK) GUI in Kubuntu.. but it's not working...
[18:49] <Squidy> When I try to open UCK I see the warning window but after clicking OK the program closes
[18:49] <Squidy> may you help me?
[18:51] <Squidy> I'm getting this messages
[18:51] <Squidy> QPixmap::handle(): Pixmap is not an X11 class pixmap
[18:51] <Squidy> Script was cancelled by the user
[18:52] <MeanderingCode> why the fuck can i not click the panel???  sorry for swearing, but...really???
[18:53] <ubuntu> HELP in live CD now need help resizing partitions
[18:54] <Tm_T> MeanderingCode: language, please...
[18:56] <MeanderingCode> Yes, Tm_T, it's true.  I don't mean to be crude, i'm just so angry at the amount of time i have spent fixing broken things since i installed 11.10...10.10 worked so well for me, and i haven't lost this much productive time on linux since i was using a broadcom wifi chipset in 2004
[18:58] <ubuntu> Can anyone please help me with resizing a partition to unallocated space? I am using gparted in a live CD, and am having issues
[18:59] <sea4ever> What are the issues? That usually works
[19:03] <ubuntu> I think I figured it out. I had to delete the swap, then delete the extended partition, THEN I could extend the primary partition that had linux. I now have it as I want BUT, I have no swap, I do have 7GB of unallocated at the end of my HD
[19:04] <BluesKaj> how much RAM ?
[19:04] <ubuntu> i have first primary as windows, second primary as Linux, unallocated. Should I make the unallocated primary swap or extended swap?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> just swap is fine , don't worry about primary or extended
[19:17] <hannes3> annkou: hey
[19:18] <kaddi> hi, i just upgraded flashplugin through updates and now i have no more sound in flash. How to fix?
[19:30] <nafg> After upgrading to Oneiric, GTK applications don't have the KDE look and feel.
[19:31] <nafg> Anyone know what to do?
[19:43] <jmichaelx> nafg: with oneiric came a shift to GTK3 in some apps. apps using GTK2 with still use the GTK themes you had configured them to, but not GTK3 apps... i don't know whether or not there is a workaround for this
[20:13] <Daskreech> http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/ if anyone has a secondary e-mail account. could you help with this?
[20:18] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: also, people should know that one can cast up to three votes. i do not think there are any instructions in english, so this may not be clear to everyone
[20:18] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: which is why I didn't link directly to the page
[20:19] <jmichaelx> ahh, ok.. you have that covered
[20:19] <jmichaelx> sorry :)
[20:20] <ath0> I think I broke my plasma ? ...and it got rid of all my stuff (background, plasma, widgets) http://pastebin.com/Xmbcxhn1
[20:21] <ath0> Last night I deleted anything that was openoffice.org or libreoffice...
[20:21] <ath0> And after restart this today...my desktop is broked lol
[20:22] <ath0> Can anybody help me?
[20:23] <Daskreech> ath0: what do you have now?
[20:25] <ath0> Well, When it booted my desktop was Cleaned...just empty except for a couple of items that were in my plasma panel...everything else is gone and It won't let me add another panel...it crashes
[20:26] <Daskreech> ath0: bleah. can you pastebin ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ?
[20:26] <ath0> Sure
[20:27] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[20:28] <ath0> Daskreech: bash keeps telling me permission denied even as SU
[20:28] <Daskreech> bye BluesKaj
[20:28] <Daskreech> ath0: permission denied to do what?
[20:29] <ath0> root@whastaHacker-lt:/home/whastahacker# ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[20:29] <ath0> bash: /root/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc: Permission denied
[20:30] <genii-around> There's just so many wrong things there it's hard to start fixing
[20:30] <Daskreech> ath0: do you have pastebinit ?
[20:30] <ath0> I do now
[20:30] <Daskreech> genii-around: yep just wanted to see if it was a simple read permissions issue
[20:31] <Daskreech> ath0: ok try put pastebinit in front of that whole line
[20:31] <ath0> Ok
[20:31] <Daskreech> You should get a URL can you paste that URL here?
[20:32] <ath0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/735637/
[20:34] <Daskreech> Thansk
[20:34] <ath0> Your welcomed, Thank YOU for helping :P
[20:34] <Daskreech> ath0: well that would explain that
[20:34] <jmichaelx> hmmm, i now have a new (to me) task manager bug
[20:34] <Daskreech> Your config is totally blank
[20:35] <ath0> lol :|
[20:35] <Daskreech> ath0: can reset it pretty easily if you like
[20:35] <ath0> Daskreech: Sure how is that done...and can you think of any reason why that happened? :x
[20:36] <Daskreech> ath0: not from removing office but I can probably think of a few ways
[20:36] <Daskreech> ath0: are you still root in the terminal?
[20:36] <ath0> Yes
[20:37] <Daskreech> logout from being root
[20:37] <genii-around> Daskreech: Are you sure it's the /home/username one and not /root  ?
[20:37] <Daskreech> genii-around: bleah :)
[20:37] <Daskreech> good catch
[20:38] <ath0> 0.o
[20:38] <Daskreech> ath0: can you do the pastebinit ~/.kde/ etc again?
[20:38] <Daskreech> You are looking at the wrong file
[20:38] <ath0> So do that without root?
[20:39] <Daskreech> ath0: yes
[20:39] <ath0> Ah: http://paste.ubuntu.com/735641/
[20:40] <Daskreech> ath0: Much better :-D
[20:40] <ath0> :P
[20:47] <ath0> Last night I did install libreoffice-gtk  ..If that matters
[20:48] <Daskreech> ath0: ok lets try a quick reset
[20:48] <ath0> Ok
[20:49] <Daskreech> ath0: mkdir ~/plasmabkup && kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 3 && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmabkup && plasma-desktop
[20:52] <ath0> Daskreech: That fixed it, should I just rebuild my desktop now or should those settings already be saved somewhere?
[20:52] <Daskreech> ath0: I saved your old ones under ~/plasmabkup
[20:52] <Daskreech> if you like you can just rebuild your desktop. It's probably a bit quicker
[20:53] <Daskreech> if you want to play around with how things work then you can look under there for all the settings and tweaks
[20:55] <ath0> Ok, Thank you!
[20:57] <Daskreech> ath0: I'd probably try cp the plasma-desktop-appletsrc back to see if that would fix things back but it's just as likely to have been the one causing the problem
[21:00] <ath0> All of the stuff on the old one is just standard lol, my desktop background was set as the default Horos in the original one :|  ...really weird
[21:15] <fofifo> dsad asdkms melf
[21:17] <ath0> Daskreech: Another quick question, do you know where I should unzip splash screen tarballs to add them to the list?
[21:18] <Daskreech> ath0: I should  :)
[21:19] <ath0> lol
[21:19] <ath0> Then where? :P
[21:19] <Daskreech> Moment
[21:26] <ath0> ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/Themes
[21:26] <ath0> Found it :PP
[21:29] <ath0> Daskreech: I found it, but thank you again! :P
[21:29] <Daskreech> ath0: :-) great
[21:29] <ath0> ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/Themes == kde4
[21:30] <Daskreech> ath0: ~/.kde/share/config is where almost all configuration files go
[21:30] <Daskreech> ~/.kde/share/apps/$APPNAME is where the data etc go
[21:36] <hays> Is there a way to install all of the fonts I have on my Mac into Ubuntu?
[21:39] <chaospsychex> why does my GUI lock up when i move my mouse cursor down towards the bottom-left of the panel?
[21:42] <BarkingFish> chaospsychex: you probably have a screen corner action switched on
[21:42] <BarkingFish> hold on and I'll find the instructions to switch it off :)
[21:42] <chaospsychex> ok thanks
[21:43] <BarkingFish> chaospsychex: ALT+F2, type systemsettings and hit enter
[21:43] <BarkingFish> When you get there, go to the second row and click "Workspace behaviour"
[21:43] <chaospsychex> k
[21:43] <BarkingFish> click Screen Edges in the left panel
[21:44] <chaospsychex> k
[21:44] <BarkingFish> then click the Bottom left grey square in the monitor image which pops up
[21:44] <chaospsychex> k
[21:44] <BarkingFish> you'll see a dropdown list, select "No action" from that list
[21:44] <BarkingFish> and click OK
[21:44] <chaospsychex> it was already set to that
[21:44] <BarkingFish> hm
[21:45] <chaospsychex> still locking up when i move my mouse cursor close to the bottom left
[21:45] <BarkingFish> try the one in the center, and the one on the left side
[21:45] <chaospsychex> could it be my gfx driver?
[21:45] <BarkingFish> one of them is most likely set to "Lock screen"
[21:45] <BarkingFish> chaospsychex: do you get asked for a password when you try to move your mouse after the GUI locks up?
[21:46] <chaospsychex> nope
[21:46] <BarkingFish> hm
[21:46] <chaospsychex> the top left was set to present desktop all windows
[21:46] <chaospsychex> i turned it off
[21:46] <chaospsychex> still doing it
[21:46] <BarkingFish> ok.  That's odd then.
[21:46] <BarkingFish> I figured that was probably what was causing it.
[21:46] <BarkingFish> I don't know about your gfx drivers, I'm not that hot on stuff like that.
[21:47] <BarkingFish> Anyone else able to pick up the baton with chaospsychex and try to sort this please?
[21:48] <ahox> Hi, I use gmail with kmail and at every mailcheck I get an "gmail: Unknown error. (Could not create collection)" followed by an  "Select failed, server replied: NO Unknown Mailbox: ( now in authenticated state ) ( Failure ) [ NONEXISTENT  ]". Any ideas?
[21:51] <Daskreech> hays: fonts:/ in dolphin
[21:53] <hays> Daskreech: is there support for .bdf fonts?
[21:53] <Daskreech> No idea
[21:55] <Daskreech> hays: seems that you can
[21:55] <genii-around> Just make dir ~/.fonts and drop them in there
[21:56] <hays> genii-around: moved...
[21:56] <hays> genii-around: do I need to update any kind of cache/etc?
[21:57] <genii-around> hays: xset fp rehash
[21:58] <hays> genii-around: heh, cool  between that advice and this program I found to extract all the .dfont files... I've got 300 mac fonts :)
[21:58] <genii-around> Nice
[22:04] <hays> woot Helvetica haha
[22:08] <vehemoth> how do you type the characters that aren't on your keyboard?
[22:16] <Daskreech> vehemoth: how do I do it?
[22:16] <Daskreech> Kcharselect
[22:16] <vehemoth> cool, thanks
[22:18] <ricardo> como faco para colocar as permmisoes para 1 usuario?
[22:19] <vehemoth> !es
[22:29] <ricardo> como faco para colocar as permmisoes para 1 usuario?
[22:33] <BluesKaj> !es | ricardo
[22:35] <dank> Hello, I need help with kopete and msn-hotmail account... thank
[22:41] <hays> Wow.  Apple fonts look good on Apple, but not great in Linux
[22:41] <hays> I wonder if its a tuning problem with the font engine
[22:59] <Daskreech> hays: Might be aliasing?
[23:06] <phunyguy> hmmm..  so my issues with chrome aren't related to chrome at all.  The same thing happens in firefox and rekonq
[23:07] <phunyguy> browsing just doesnt work, and even pinging things like facebook time out.
[23:07] <phunyguy> but then the problem magically dissappears for another 5 minutes
[23:07] <phunyguy> meanwhile torrent traffic is flowing in and out flawlessly
[23:07] <phunyguy> so it leads me to believe it is DNS related, and my other PCs don't seem to have this issue
[23:08] <_jam> I finally upgraded to 11.10. I use kontact. My kmail got migrated, but not my calendar
[23:08] <phunyguy> so i go to a konsole, and type nslookup, then change server to <IP_ADDRESS>.   same thing.  lookups to google, facebook, etc fail.
[23:09] <_jam> what can I do to effect that migration?
[23:09] <_jam> i had to run the kmail migrator manually, of course
[23:30] <ScottyK> is there a users guide for Kubuntu that is availabe for download?
[23:37] <Colin0912> Hello all i was wondering if some one could help me
[23:38] <Colin0912> ???
[23:39] <Colin0912> Im new to linux and not sure hwo to install a tar.gz
[23:39] <Colin0912> how8
[23:40] <Daskreech> Colin0912: what is the tar.gz ?
[23:40] <Colin0912> D4X and open offic
[23:40] <Colin0912> office*
[23:42] <Colin0912> i extracted them to my download folder
[23:42] <Colin0912> but not sure where to go from there
[23:44] <vehemoth> Colin0912: you know about libreoffice right?
[23:45] <Colin0912> i do yes but i do prefer openoffice i used to use it alot as a windows user
[23:47] <vehemoth> d4x seems to be dead, I can't find much trace of it
[23:47] <vehemoth> can you send me a link to where you got it from?
[23:47] <Colin0912> ok
[23:49] <vehemoth> last updated 2007
[23:49] <Colin0912> mmm ok can you recommend a download manager?
[23:50] <vehemoth> I've never used one personally but I can have a look for you
[23:50] <Colin0912> thank you
[23:50] <vehemoth> what is different in libreoffice compared to openoffice?
[23:51] <vehemoth> the only thing I know is that libreoffice has far more features
[23:51] <vehemoth> have you tried kget?
[23:51] <Colin0912> ok i cant say i used it alot so i give it a try
[23:51] <Colin0912> i havent no
[23:51] <vehemoth> that seems to be the one you want to try first
[23:52] <vehemoth> if you don't like I suggest opening up muon
[23:52] <vehemoth> and searching for download manager
[23:52] <Colin0912> ok
[23:52] <Colin0912> got it
[23:53] <Colin0912> i know how to do the software via DEB packages but not Tar.gz
[23:54] <Colin0912> i know its via the terminal i belive
[23:54] <Colin0912> believe*
[23:54] <vehemoth> most things you need are in the software center (muon package manager for kubuntu)
[23:54] <Colin0912> ahh ok
[23:54] <vehemoth> I've yet had to install a .tar.gz
[23:54] <Colin0912> fair enough
[23:54] <vehemoth> I mean I've never had to
[23:57] <Daskreech> Colin0912: try kget
[23:57] <Colin0912> Anyone recommend a Email Client
[23:57] <Daskreech> !email
[23:58] <vehemoth> Colin0912: KMail?
[23:58] <Colin0912> ok thank you
[23:59] <Colin0912> right im going now going to sort things out
[23:59] <Colin0912> thank you all
[23:59] <Daskreech> Colin0912: If the tar ball has code in it then it should have a README or an INSTALLING file
[23:59] <_jam> ok, i just had to manully import std.ics in the korganizer folder
[23:59] <_jam> weird, but fine
[23:59] <Daskreech> If it doesn't then it shoudl have a configure file


[15:16] <xnox> wgrant, you might find this funny
[15:16] <xnox> so i've just added a disk "pool" to libvirt
[15:16] <xnox>  /dev/disk/by-path/
[15:16] <xnox> works great for dasd
[15:17] <xnox> i do wonder if i do the same on my laptop, and "boot" my windows 10 in qemu -> how well would it feel about it.


[18:28] <pavlushka> u-la-la: z4ki  is more frequent then ever ^^
[18:41] <pavlushka> z4ki: back
[18:42] <z4ki> what's happening there?
[18:43] <pavlushka> z4ki: wherw?
[18:43] <pavlushka> s/wherw/where
[18:43] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: z4ki: where?
[18:44] <z4ki> ha ha
[18:44] <pavlushka> z4ki: just a jumpy net may be
[18:44] <z4ki> that's what I asked about :D
[18:45] <pavlushka> :D
[18:47] <z4ki> how's everything?
[18:47] <z4ki> ঢাকায় আসছিলেন আর?
[18:47] <pavlushka> z4ki: better
[18:47] <pavlushka> z4ki: না


[17:17] <flocculant> bdmurray: I posted a thread on the qa mailing list today with some statements and one question - needless to say I'm getting lots of nothing to do with the question responses - it is the internet. If you see the thread and know the answer I'll send you an ethercookie :)
[17:28] <bdmurray> flocculant: Yes, eventually but it seems like something that might be worth SRU'ing.  I'd talk to jsalisbury in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:31] <flocculant> bdmurray: ack - I assume that's the answer to my only real question there?
[17:42] <bdmurray> flocculant: that's the answer to will it eventually get fixed
[17:45] <flocculant> bdmurray: yep - that was my assumption - just wanted to check - at some point I will talk in #u-kernel then. This is for you as promised https://pics.onsizzle.com/best-cookie-ever-oa-420045.png
[17:46] <bdmurray> heh


[01:39] <smoser> burgerk, it tries loading it from cache before that
[17:27] <smoser> rharper, struggling with http://paste.ubuntu.com/23906228/
[19:03] <rharper> smoser: looking
[19:07] <rharper> smoser: we've discussed that ds-identify may need to parse the on-disk cloud-config;  that would certainly handle the config in one-place issue;  it could be triggered only in the maybe paths (only check config if we're not sure); we may need a different not_found_behavior (disabled would be fully disabled and require detect to not result with any maybe answers?)
[19:16] <smoser> right now we dont really pay attention to ds_maybe
[19:21] <smoser> rharper, the issue really is just that right now the only way to read the cloud-inti configuration is with python-yaml.
[19:21] <smoser> and wanting to avoid that dearly
[19:21] <rharper> right, the python part
[19:22] <rharper> is grepping for a setting a reasonable replacement for extracting a single setting?
[19:22] <rharper> for example, we could check if we have a not_found_behavior: <string> in /etc/cloud/*  recursively
[19:23] <smoser> https://git.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/tree/tools/ds-identify?h=feature/ds-identify
[19:23] <smoser> see check_config
[19:23] <smoser> and its usage in dscheck_maas
[19:25] <rharper> yeah
[19:25] <rharper> that's roughly it
[19:27] <rharper> with that in place, on maybe, check if there's an overriding setting on what to for not_found_behaviors;  on EC2 lookalike, it hits maybe , reads in-image config for not_found_behavior:  and uses that if found, else uses the default (which is disabled).
[19:28] <rharper> possibly need to handle the in-image setting vs. the user-data setting (ie, user-data should take precedence over in-image data IIUC)