[03:37] <johnjohn1011> is ubuntu really losing compiz?  what's it going to be replaced with?
[03:39] <jbicha> johnjohn1011: no
[03:41] <johnjohn1011>  ok, I thought it was. must have been a bad article i read a while back.
[03:44] <Daekdroom> Could be a bad memory (probably both)
[03:44] <johnjohn1011> so it looks like everyone is dropping comiz. is unity going to survive?
[03:45] <johnjohn1011> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/rip-compiz/3402
[03:45] <jbicha> unity's far from dead...
[03:45] <johnjohn1011> i used my brother's gnome 2 and it was awful.
[03:45] <Daekdroom> I think it's fairly plausible that Compiz is going to exist as long as Unity needs it.
[03:46] <johnjohn1011> looks like to me compiz made some huge strides lately.  much more stable.
[03:46] <Daekdroom> Skimming over the article tells me that whoever wrote it holds a strong grudge against Unity, and therefore disregard it as a reason for compiz to continue.
[03:47] <johnjohn1011> I think unity is much better than gnome 2
[03:47] <johnjohn1011> not sure why all the hatred
[03:47] <johnjohn1011> do you guys think it would be possible to bring back the snow plugin?
[03:48] <Daekdroom> Was there any change in design lately that did not bring hatred?
[03:48] <Daekdroom> Windows 7 excluded, but it wasn't a huge overhaul.
[03:48] <Daekdroom> Since KDE4, everything's had poor reception.
[03:49] <dax> Basically all that article says is that other distros are dropping compiz. Well of course they are, they use upstream GNOME 3, which doesn't use Compiz.
[03:49] <Daekdroom> Also, compiz dropped KDE compatibility.
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> so it's a marriage made in heaven!!
[03:49] <dax> Not much of a loss, kwin's pretty awesome.
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> i really didn't expect to see how old and outdated gnome 2 was after being away from it for six months
[03:50] <dax> "And the rumors were abounding that Unity was migrating to Mutter" => 1) no they weren't 2) even if they were, that's ridiculous. Unity used to use mutter and switched away from it, for rather good reasons.
[03:54] <johnjohn1011> not that I would switch but are there any other distros running unity at all?
[03:56] <dax> none that I know of
[05:56] <iceroot> any known bugs at the moment about "network manager not working anymore" and "not possible to detect the correct resolution? cant find anything on LP but on my pc about that issues...
[06:30]  * jokerdino pokes the room.
[10:25] <mwozniak00> Hi, i have litle problem
[10:25] <jokerdino> hi
[10:25] <jokerdino> what's up?
[10:25] <mwozniak00> when i wana upgrade unity-lens-applications unity-lens-files unity-lens-music
[10:25] <MrChrisDruif> jokerdino; ceiling
[10:26] <jokerdino> MrChrisDruif: ...
[10:26] <mwozniak00> the apt-get wana remove unity and ubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <jokerdino> it's a cliche man :/
[10:26] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[10:27] <jokerdino> mwozniak00: 12.10?
[10:27] <mwozniak00> it's ok or something wrong ?
[10:27] <mwozniak00> jokerdino: yee it's 12.10
[10:27] <jokerdino> ok, do you have a forum link or something?
[10:28] <mwozniak00> so wrtite this problem on ubuntu forum
[10:28] <mwozniak00> ?
[10:28] <jokerdino> nah. i was asking if you do.
[10:28] <jokerdino> no big deal
[10:29] <jokerdino> what is your current lens version?
[10:29] <mwozniak00> no now i only ask of this on irc
[10:30] <mwozniak00> now i have unity-lens-applications 5.12.0-0ubuntu1
[10:30] <jokerdino> same here.
[10:30] <jokerdino> i haven't seen a later version
[10:32] <mwozniak00> http://wklej.se/f276
[10:33] <jokerdino> i see
[10:34] <mwozniak00> so when i wana upgrade system the linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic unity-lens-applications unity-lens-files unity-lens-music is stoped, but if i wana manualy upgrade few package of it the system wana remove unity
[10:35] <mwozniak00> http://wklej.se/6e77
[10:36] <mwozniak00> sorry fr the polish language on console ;)
[10:36] <jokerdino> i don't mind :0
[10:36] <MCR> mwozniak00: solution for the problem is to wait with the unity* upgrades
[10:37] <jokerdino> that's probably why it is sitting outside i guess.
[10:39] <mwozniak00> that is, I is not nothing more than wait
[10:41] <jokerdino> mwozniak00: wait until the packages finish building, etc
[10:44] <mwozniak00> so i know whay when i have http://www.wrzucaj.com/495510 and put partial upgrade that software upgrader close...
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:24] <jokerdino> anyone have link to bug report for indicator-sound being white?
[16:08] <clanlaw> Hi, is there a schedule for when Unity will be working with non-3d graphics h/w? I am keen to test it.
[21:45] <boshco> hello
[21:46] <boshco> i have a trouble with my graphic card nvidia 6200 PCI  on ubuntu 10.10
[21:46] <boshco> who can help me?
[21:47] <Daekdroom> boshco, 10.10 support is available at #ubuntu
[21:47] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[21:47] <Daekdroom> !maverick
[21:47] <Daekdroom> Actually, it's reached its End of Life, which means you won't get help for it at #ubuntu either.
[21:47] <boshco> but #ubuntu is off
[21:47] <Daekdroom> It's not.
[21:49] <boshco> Ok hx
[21:49] <boshco> thx
[22:17] <LLStarks> what's the proper way to build wine in ubuntu 12.04 or 12.10?
[22:19] <IdleOne> LLStarks: you don't need to build it. install with apt-get or use the software centre
[22:20] <IdleOne> also please don't crosspost
[22:29] <LLStarks> IdleOne, that's very rude
[22:29] <LLStarks> i'm asking to BUILD
[22:30] <LLStarks> and it's currently impossible without trickery that i can't remember
[22:36] <IdleOne> What exactly did I say that you found rude?
[22:38] <LLStarks> i ask to build, you say lol install it
[22:39] <micahg> LLStarks: a 32 bit chroot should work fine
[22:39] <IdleOne>      I didn't say lol
[22:40] <IdleOne> maybe you read it that way, and had you been a little more clear on what you were wanting to do I may have been able to answer you properly.
[22:40] <LLStarks> micahg, what if i want both 32-bit and 64-bit
[22:40] <micahg> LLStarks: to build? I would suggest chroots for both
[22:40] <LLStarks> i just want to patch the shipped version
[22:40] <LLStarks> a single line of code
[22:41] <micahg> LLStarks: is there a bug we should be fixing instead?
[22:41] <LLStarks> it's a wine bug
[22:41] <LLStarks> but i can't patch it
[22:41] <micahg> but you said you have a one line patch...
[22:41] <LLStarks> not one line
[22:41] <LLStarks> i was exaggerating
[22:41] <LLStarks> but it's small
[22:42] <LLStarks> and i'm trying to test the patch
[22:42] <LLStarks> no way to do it
[22:42] <LLStarks> because multilib is still broken
[22:42] <micahg> ah, ok, yeah, chroots would be a good way to build that (we build the i386 parts on i386 and the amd64 parts on amd64 now)
[22:43] <micahg> or pbuilder or sbuild or your other favorite chroot manipulator should work fine
[22:43] <LLStarks> well, the patch i'm looking at solves wine-wide fps issues
[22:43] <LLStarks> but it hasn't landed upstream
[22:44] <LLStarks> i have to use 1.3.37 or a patched upstream to get around it
[22:44] <micahg> hrm?  we have 1.4 in both 12.04 and 12.10
[22:44] <LLStarks> both are bugged
[22:45] <micahg> but 1.3.x has a fix, doesn't sound right
[22:45] <micahg> it was a regression in the release version?
[22:45] <LLStarks> http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commit/bd97589dbac60d1ed78ed1e49cf6ce6cee8c40b7
[22:45] <LLStarks> regression
[22:45] <micahg> ok, well, have fun :)
[22:46] <LLStarks> 1.3.37 was last unaffected


[00:54] <mikodo> Question about using the Xubuntu Alternate installer (d-i) and choosing either the default install which gives one http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric-updates/xubuntu-desktop and choosing to install the Xfce meta-package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/xfce4 Will both work and be usable for a relative Noob? What is the difference between the two? I have only use Ubuntu with Gnome 2 before, and now want to go to the most pristine Xfc
[00:54] <mikodo> e, DE as I can manage, and still be not without a fair amount of "hand-holding by Xubuntu. I suppose I can then install all the other apps and dependencies, as I see fit, by going with the "Xfce meta-package install"
[05:14] <mikodo> Quiet channel.. G'nite
[08:11]  * jarnos thinks automatic security updates don't work in 11.04: red icon of update-notifier is visible.
[08:13] <jarnos> Is there some delay after automatic updates are started to be downloaded and installed after the red icon appears, or what is wrong?
[08:36] <jarnos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/668077
[09:33] <Jan_-> hello, today when I tried to log in it just flashed black page with text and went back into the login screen
[09:34] <Jan_-> i solved it by deleting the old account and creating a new one, now the problem is that I saved the settings of the old account but the folder is encrypted and i dont know how to get the data back as it says i have restricted rights, i do have the text that i got when i encrypted it and the password that i used that account with, what kind of commands i need to know to access the folder?
[09:58] <nicofs> Somehow my window decorations crash on a regular basis... they look distorted an i can't activate any buttons on them or drag the window... any ideas?
[09:59] <nicofs> i deactivated composing and any other fancy stuff...
[10:14] <nikolam> Why "http" process locked both synaptic and update manager from updating and downloading updates (i suppose) for himself?
[10:15] <nikolam> I guess he wants to do update (automatic installing of security updates is on)
[10:15] <nikolam> But why user must lost control over update process during that time?
[10:17] <nikolam> and now, Every application that tries to list root dir ("/") freezes.
[10:17] <nikolam> eather it is xfce file manager, thunar, pcmanfm or simple "ls" command
[10:18] <TheSheep> nikolam: you can only have one installation process going at a time, otherwise you would get conflicts, for example if one process is installing someting that depends on a package that is being uninstalled by something else
[10:19] <TheSheep> nikolam: freezing on access to / sounds like a hardware problem with the disk
[10:19] <TheSheep> nikolam: does dmesg show any disk-related errors?
[10:20] <nikolam> guess update I have not started the process, it started itself and I can not control it.
[10:21] <nikolam> no disk errors except "resume from disk failed" form some days ago, that I presume is regular for ubuntu 10.04 after updates
[10:21] <nikolam> ok, will restart it, since i killed http process and apt is now <defunct>
[10:22] <nikolam> oh, no, http is back again on dowloading.. better kill net connection
[10:23] <nikolam> Seems like feature bug for unattended-update to me.
[12:00] <xsl> hello all... wen i create a new user and he loggs for the first time .. there are several folders created with reference on ~/config/user.dirs.dirs  - How do i change the folders that are created? Where is that defined ?
[12:26] <Yancho_> guys, i am installing xubuntu. after setting my keyboard layout etc, i clicked finish and now am in the Thank you screen. however the only button i have is skip. and the last msg is: ubuntu dbus[1160]: [system[ successfully activated service 'rg.freedesktop.UPower' - ad that was a msg of almost 2 hrs ago.
[12:30] <Os_Maleus> how about a restart of the machine?
[12:32] <Yancho_> cheers Os_Maleus  - was just afraid to do it in case it borkes the installation .. am now in my xubuntu
[12:34] <Os_Maleus> and if? ... if You are waiting more than two hours for Linux, then it is obviously hanging pretty high. ... considering that it happens during the installation.
[14:43] <allu2> is it a known bug that xscreensaver doesn't support scandinavic marks in password?
[14:51] <GridCube> allu2, probably: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/793344
[14:51] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/828682
[14:55] <lol123> Hallo
[16:29] <xsl> is it possible to define a panel to bottom instead of a x= y= positioning?
[16:38] <tsunami_> hi there!
[16:39] <tsunami_> I have a problem with my xubuntu
[16:39] <tsunami_> everything was ok until today
[16:39] <tsunami_> I think it has something to do with xfce
[16:40] <tsunami_> all my windows lack the minimize, maximyze, close buttons
[16:40] <tsunami_> all of them open in the top left corner
[16:40] <GridCube> tsunami_, press alt-f2 and write >xfwm4 --replace
[16:40] <tsunami_> and they do not resize
[16:42] <tsunami_> :)))))
[16:42] <baizon> tsunami_: yes it is a xfce bug
[16:42] <tsunami_> thank you very much!
[16:43] <tsunami_> do you know when or why it happens ?
[16:43] <GridCube> it happens because for some reason xfwm4 crashes
[16:43] <GridCube> probably after playing with compiz or other wm
[16:45] <tsunami_> and this replace command.... it just restarts xfwm?
[16:48] <GridCube> basically, it replaces any other wm running at the moment, if there is non then it just restart it
[16:49] <tsunami_> thank you very much for your help
[16:50] <tsunami_> one other thing... is there any chance I can spread a window through several workspaces?
[16:51] <GridCube> no idea
[16:51] <TheSheep> no
[16:51] <TheSheep> workspaces are separate
[16:51] <TheSheep> not like the fake workspaces of compiz
[16:51] <TheSheep> which are just one large desktop
[16:52] <tsunami_> hummm interesting...
[16:57] <tsunami_> I would like to try compiz but not to screw my xubuntu. is it possible to add it as an option windos manager in the login?
[17:00] <tsunami_> other question... is xubuntu 64bit compatible? I do not have a lib/64 directory
[17:02] <tsunami_> usr/lib64 i mean
[17:02] <magerquark> there is a 64.bit version
[17:02] <magerquark> so it depends on the version you have installed
[17:03] <tsunami_> I only found 64bit for amd
[17:03] <magerquark> the architecture is called amd64, actually it is also für intel cpus
[17:03] <magerquark> the amd64 version is for all x86-compatible cpus
[17:04] <tsunami_> so it means that I have a 32bit installed on a 64bit machine... bad luck...
[17:04] <magerquark> do you have more than 4 GB RAM?
[17:05] <tsunami_> does this also mean that I will have to reinstall the 64bit version?
[17:05] <tsunami_> I will check that now magerquark
[17:05] <magerquark> tsunami, the 32bit version is perfectly fine for most of all users
[17:06] <magerquark> you dont have to reinstall a new version
[17:06] <magerquark> there are rare use-cases where the 64bit-version is necessary
[17:06] <magerquark> but you can if you want to reinstall it
[17:09] <tsunami_> the system tells me I have 8 gigs memory
[17:09] <tsunami_> cat /proc/meminfo tells me that
[17:09] <tsunami_> MemTotal:        8166220 kB
[17:10] <tsunami_> does this means it is a 64bit installation?
[17:10] <magerquark> wich .iso did you download?
[17:10] <tsunami_> and thank you for the info magerquark
[17:19] <tsunami_> Origin: Ubuntu
[17:19] <tsunami_> Label: Ubuntu Suite: oneiric Version: 11.10 Codename: oneiric Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:15:52 UTC Architectures: i386 Components: main restricted universe multiverse Description: Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10
[17:20] <tsunami_> dont know why but now I cannot open the partition where I have the image
[17:21] <tsunami_> do not have permissions to write on the windows partition and on usb external discs
[17:21] <tsunami_> which is a pain
[17:21] <xsl> i have a problem with the lower panel ( its configured for x= and y= ) is there an option to configure it to "bottom" instead of coordinates?
[17:22] <tsunami_> i opened thunar with root access but it says there is no trash directory when i try to delete something...
[17:22] <tsunami_> any suggestions?
[17:39] <tsunami_> strange thing... a cannot see what I have on another partition (a 60gig extf4) but if I ask qBittorrent to open destination folder (that Im using for downloads on this other partition) it opens the directory but I cant see anything else but that directory and I can only see the directories, not the files... any suggestion?
[17:40] <tsunami_> strange behavior xubuntu has today..
[17:56] <tsunami_>  strange thing... a cannot see what I have on another partition (a 60gig) but if I ask qBittorrent to open destination folder (that Im using for downloads on this other partition) it opens the directory but I cant see anything else but that directory and I can only see the directories, not the files... any suggestion? strange behavior ubuntu has today..
[18:26] <Os_Maleus> hey together! is it possible to have a parallel installed windows next to xubuntu and let the same windows run in a virtual machine under xubuntu?
[18:28] <baizon> Os_Maleus: no
[18:28] <baizon> driver are differenz
[18:28] <baizon> different
[18:28] <baizon> windows would crash
[18:28] <baizon> and the licence key wouldnt be vaild
[18:28] <Os_Maleus> but I can let run windows in a virtual machine. can't I?
[18:29] <baizon> yes you can
[18:29] <baizon> but running windows in a vm and at the same time native isnt possible
[18:29] <Os_Maleus> so, I would need to perform the whole installation from the basics for that?
[18:30] <baizon> yes
[18:31] <Os_Maleus> thanks, baizon!
[18:31] <baizon> np
[20:07] <mic_> hello
[20:18] <mic_> I have some problems setting up my dual monitors with xrandr and ati drivers
[20:19] <baizon> mic_: yes, and the problem is?
[20:21] <mic_> xrandr tells me "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1600",  of course I've looked it up, and the solution for most people was to at the line 'Virtual x y' (where x and y being the size for the virtual desktop) in their xorg.conf, this didn't fix the problem for me though..
[20:22] <mic_> add*
[20:22] <baizon> mic_: what drivers?
[20:23] <baizon> for me it didnt workd either
[20:25] <mic_> gotten of amd site: amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run
[20:26] <tsunami_> my xubuntu is collapsing I dont know why as I did not messed around, first it was xfwm4 that started going crazy, I did xfwm4 --replace and it was ok. BUT after that I cant access other partitions on my hard disk and my keyboard is completely dis-configured... It is just colapsing.         Anybody has a suggestion or should I just reinstall ubuntu again?
[20:26] <mic_> I'm guessing that those do have something to do with it -  before I installed them, it was no problem to extend the desktop (though I did this in xubuntu -> settings editor)
[20:36] <baizon> mic_: you cant use the proprietary drivers and xrandr
[20:37] <baizon> mic_: you can use the open source ati drivers, or if you want to use the current one you have to use xinerama
[20:39] <baizon> tsunami_: you can try to delete the .cache for xfce
[20:39] <baizon> it helps ofen for me
[20:40] <mic_> But, I can, I mean, xrandr works fine, except for that 1600x1600 desktop limitation. But I wish amdcccle wasn't so buggy: it just doesn't do anything. I'll look into xinerama and otherwise I'll go back to the open source drivers.
[20:40] <baizon> im using the proprietary one and have to use xinerama for dual-screen
[20:41] <baizon> xrandr doesnt work with ati
[20:46] <mic_> okay quick question: 'you must restart your computer', can I just log out and back in? lol.
[20:46] <tsunami_> baizon, it said invalid filename when I try to delete .cache...... funny
[20:46] <baizon> .cache folder :P
[20:52] <baizon> ^^
[20:57] <mic_> baizon: Thank you for setting me onto xinerama. I thought I had bad memories about this, but everything is working fine :)
[20:57] <tsunami_> I have a .cache folder with lots of folders there do you whant me to delete them all?
[20:58] <baizon> mic_: good to hear
[20:58] <tsunami_> baizon, I have a .cache folder with lots of folders there do you whant me to delete them all?
[20:58] <baizon> tsunami_: no
[20:59] <baizon> tsunami_: ~/.cache/sessions
[21:03] <tsunami_> ah ok shoul I delete all tose txt files?
[21:03] <baizon> yes
[21:03] <baizon> and restart X server
[21:04] <mic_> baizon: I just noticed the resolution on my right monitor isn't quite right. (I thought I'd fix that by turning xinerama off, change resolution, turn on; description in amdcccle made me think so) but I think the new resolution didn't stay when going into xinerama
[21:04] <baizon> mic_: try... sudo aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=right
[21:04] <baizon> aticonfig --overlay-on=1
[21:04] <baizon> Restart X Server.
[21:04] <baizon> aticonfig --xinerama=on
[21:05] <mic_> alright
[21:08] <mic_> baizon: no change
[21:09] <baizon> aticonfig --resolution=0,1680x1050
[21:09] <baizon> aticonfig --resolution=1,1680x1050
[21:09] <baizon> and try to change the resolution
[21:09] <baizon> for your screen
[21:10] <tsunami_> baizon, all is the same, cant access partitions
[21:10] <baizon> tsunami_: are they detected?
[21:10] <baizon> fdisk -l
[21:11] <mic_> baizon: errir at set screeb resolution : screen1 does not exist
[21:11] <mic_> error*
[21:12] <mic_> (for --resolution=1)
[21:16] <tsunami_> baizon, http://pastebin.com/9AJAGjgn
[21:17] <tsunami_> baizon, yes they seem to be detected
[21:18] <baizon> whats the error msg?
[21:18] <baizon> is it mounted?
[21:18] <baizon> mic_: google ;)
[21:19] <tsunami_> they say to be mounted but there is nothing there when I go there /media/xxxx
[21:21] <tsunami_> I think it might be something to do with fstab but I cant fix it
[21:22] <tsunami_> baizon, can you have a look here?  http://pastebin.com/45cegSGR
[21:25] <baizon> tsunami_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[21:25] <baizon> :)
[21:29] <tsunami_> do you think is the fstab, I am afraid of braking it
[21:30] <tsunami_> baison, do you think something is wrong in the fstab ?
[21:30] <spanner3003> how do i stop the gui in xubuntu?
[21:31] <spanner3003> from within tty1
[21:32] <tsunami_> it seams that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab is down
[21:32] <tsunami_> and this one too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[21:32] <baizon> spanner3003: what version?
[21:32] <spanner3003> 11.10
[21:33] <tsunami_> up again! :)
[21:33] <spanner3003> baizon,
[21:34] <baizon> spanner3003: http://www.uptechtalk.com/?p=162
[21:35] <baizon> first link that google search gave me :P
[21:37] <spanner3003> can i do the with sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop?
[21:38] <baizon> spanner3003: but it will start at next boot
[21:38] <baizon> so it is pointless
[21:39] <spanner3003> not if your build and it's on all the time
[21:39] <spanner3003> thank you :D
[21:39] <baizon> ok
[21:39] <baizon> np
[21:46] <andythenoob> hi all, does anyone know a good place on the web to understand the dmesg output properly please?
[21:48] <baizon> andythenoob: http://linuxgazette.net/issue59/nazario.html
[21:49] <andythenoob> perfect, many thanks!