[04:59] <alan_47> hello there. I installed ubuntu on my machine from liveUSB, however, it won't boot from disk, the grub menu shows but after that some green and pink dots appear on screen, i've tried nomodeset and blacklist nouvea, nvidia gtx560 here
[04:59] <alan_47> blacklisting nouvea makes the lubuntu logo appear but after that it freezes on black screen
[05:00] <alan_47> why can't it just work like it works from the liveusb?
[07:16] <Cometz> wb KyouReeUs4nfo
[07:19] <Cometz> hello everyone
[07:19] <Cometz> im new to lubuntu
[07:19] <Cometz> anyone wana recommend a good efficient zip file maker?
[07:19] <Cometz> thx in advance
[07:24] <KyouReeUs4nfo> Cometz: man gzip
[07:25] <Cometz> okies
[07:25] <Cometz> is it like 7zip?
[08:54] <KyouReeUs4nfo> Cometz: No, gzip isn't like 7zip, as in it chooses .gz extension by default limiting user to choose extension of choice. Nonetheless, LZW is used for compression. If you are looking to compress via GUI, just right click on file, click compress and choose extension of your choice for the output file.
[09:01] <sagsaw> hello
[09:02] <sagsaw> i have a question
[09:02] <sagsaw> if i install minimal ubuntu and then i install lubuntu-core ... will the distro become lubuntu or will it be ubuntu? so will there 5 years support or 3 years support
[09:05] <sagsaw> whats this about support ... someone told me if i installed lubuntu-desktop on ubuntu14.04 LTS ... lubuntu-desktop will get 5 years support
[09:07] <sagsaw> whats this about support ... someone told me if i installed lubuntu-desktop on ubuntu14.04 LTS ... lubuntu-desktop will get 5 years support
[09:07] <Cometz> sagsaw, backup everything before installing lubuntu
[09:08] <Cometz> by default, it wipes all paritions and installs ext4
[09:08] <sagsaw> no thats not the question ...
[09:08] <Cometz> i know
[09:08] <sagsaw> whats this about support ... someone told me if i installed lubuntu-desktop on ubuntu14.04 LTS ... lubuntu-desktop will get 5 years support
[09:08] <Cometz> LTS is Long term support
[09:08] <sagsaw> ya
[09:08] <Cometz> get updates
[09:09] <sagsaw> see lubuntu is 3 year support for LTS so how will a lubuntu package be supported for 5 years thats the question
[09:10] <Cometz> im a new lubuntu user.
[09:10] <Cometz> but ok with 3/5 support
[09:11] <sagsaw> ok ...
[09:11] <sagsaw> just send email to julien regarding this
[09:12] <sagsaw> hope some advanced user or lubuntu developer can answer this
[09:32] <sagsaw> whats this about support ... someone told me if i installed lubuntu-desktop on ubuntu14.04 LTS ... lubuntu-desktop will get 5 years support
[09:40] <comics_idees> what are some must have software apps for lubuntu
[11:23] <bjorn_> hi all, the day before yesterday I got som help to load nm-applet in autostart. Now, not even this works. My nm-applet is not visible. what Is wrong?
[12:00] <comics_idees> what is a nm applet
[12:03] <bjorn_> comics_idees, network manager applet, the one that usually shows your wifi connection
[12:04] <comics_idees> hm
[12:04] <comics_idees> in autostart you could put a .desktop  file
[14:21] <kerloi> Hi. I recently changed a computer OS from win XP to lubuntu and I discovered a graphic problem. If anything (mouse cursor, window, menu ...) touch the left side of the screen the window (or menu ...) turn darker (like if a half-transparent grey window apperas on the top of it).
[14:22] <kerloi> I tried a live dvd of linux mint and the result is the same.
[14:23] <kerloi> It's very hard to ggoglise that problem (I'm in pain describing it) and moreover if I take a screenshot everything seems fine ...
[14:24] <kerloi> I've activated the propriatary drivers without success.
[14:26] <kerloi> Something else to say, the screen have an offset on the left (it is 1 cm bigger than the screen) and the auto adjust function of the screen doesn't change anything (and it is impossible to correct it manually)...
[14:26] <kerloi> The scrren itself is not to blame as  it works perfectly with other computers.
[14:27] <kerloi> I'm stuck with that problem ...
[14:40] <kerloi> If I add a 10 px margin on the left in the openbox configuration I can have my windows maximazied without problem
[14:41] <kerloi> If I add less (5 px for example) the problem persist but the color changes less than without margin
[15:14] <comics_idees> is there any musthave app that we should download and install in lubuntu?
[15:14] <Mr_Comet> yes
[15:15] <comics_idees> can you tell a list of necessary apps?
[15:15] <Mr_Comet> TestDisk
[15:15] <Mr_Comet> cuz i lost my valuable partition when it wiped my whole harddisk
[15:16] <holstein> comics_idees: lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so, you havfe access to the same applications from the same officially supported repositories
[15:16] <Mr_Comet> i used TestDisk to salvage whatever old data from old partition i had.
[15:16] <holstein> comics_idees: there are thousands and thousands of applications available.. and those are just the default, officially supported, free to download from the default repository applications
[15:19] <Mr_Comet> holstein, lubuntu uses same installation from ubuntu?
[15:19] <holstein> Mr_Comet: no.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:20] <Mr_Comet> i should have be aware of that.
[15:20] <holstein> Mr_Comet: they are the exact same sources, or repositories
[15:20] <comics_idees> Mr_Comet if you download ubuntu software center to lubuntu you have ubuntu apps
[15:20] <holstein> Mr_Comet: all the officially supported "flavours" share the sources
[15:20] <Mr_Comet> i lost my harddisk data 5yrs ago by ubuntu. now it happens again by lubuntu. what a fate i have...
[15:20] <holstein> comics_idees: no
[15:20] <holstein> the "ubuntu apps" are in the repos
[15:21] <holstein> you dont need the software center to have access to "ubuntu apps".. but, that is where the store is, where commercial applications are offered
[15:21] <comics_idees> Mr Comet why did you lose your data?
[15:21] <holstein> Mr_Comet: ubuntu doesnt lose data..
[15:21] <Mr_Comet> here's my sad story.
[15:21] <Mr_Comet> same thing happened 5yrs ago.
[15:22] <Mr_Comet> same tragic
[15:22] <Mr_Comet> i had windows, and frugal puppylinux on C:\ Drive, Fat32 30GB partition.
[15:22] <holstein> ubuntu is just the distro of linux.. the operating system.. its not responsible for keeping data
[15:22] <Mr_Comet> I had data on d:\ drive, NTFS 260GB
[15:23] <holstein> as with *any* operating system, backups should be kept.. *all* hard drives fail
[15:23] <Mr_Comet> i installed lubuntu 1st time. bootloader not working due to grub4dos
[15:23] <Mr_Comet> 2nd time i select lubuntu replace ubuntu
[15:23] <Mr_Comet> this time installation wiped harddisk.
[15:24] <Mr_Comet> old NTFS partition lost.
[15:24] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you need to have backups, and do manual partitioning, and make *certain* in those scenarios
[15:24] <Mr_Comet> 1st time i tried the last custom option and installed it.
[15:24] <comics_idees> well I think there are options in the bdginning to say to install in a partition or in whole disk
[15:24] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you should have backups before doing any partitioning like that
[15:24] <Mr_Comet> Grub4dos didnt got replaced by lubuntu installation
[15:25] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you had a specifically complex partitioning scheme, and its easy to make an error
[15:25] <Mr_Comet> 2nd time i left lubuntu replace ubuntu. it replaced whole harddisk!
[15:25] <holstein> Mr_Comet: "it" did what you asked it to
[15:26] <comics_idees> when you say replace the os means it will delete all other OS
[15:26] <holstein> yup ^
[15:26] <Mr_Comet> i sincerely hope ubuntu/lubuntu have a notice tag on installation that it will erase everything when user lets it install normally
[15:26] <comics_idees> and keeps only lubuntu
[15:26] <Mr_Comet> comics_idees, i didnt cared about losing os. i cared about losing 2nd NTFS partition!!!
[15:26] <Mr_Comet> 1st partition had ext4
[15:26] <holstein> Mr_Comet: that would be a misunderstanding of the automatic installer, which i would have, and still do suggest not using if you have a complex partitioning scheme.. and even then, you have a backup before proceeding
[15:26] <holstein> Mr_Comet: *all* hard drives fail
[15:27] <Mr_Comet> ive installed mint.
[15:27] <Mr_Comet> its clear
[15:27] <holstein> Mr_Comet: the mint installer is quite similar, and no matter what installer you use for what operating system, you need backups before working with partitions like that
[15:27] <Mr_Comet> this is the 2nd time ive lost my harddisk data to ubuntu's method of default installation.
[15:28] <holstein> Mr_Comet: mint documenation and community will not disagree.. you *will* lose any data that is not backed up.. *all* drives fail
[15:28] <holstein> Mr_Comet: its the second time you lost data due to your misunderstanding of the installer
[15:28] <Mr_Comet> mint never **wipes** harddisk nor re-partition. it always install when user wants.
[15:28] <holstein> Mr_Comet: feel free to come and ask before hand...
[15:29] <holstein> Mr_Comet: i do what you are describing with any operating system i choose
[15:29] <Mr_Comet> i dont think i have anything more to ask about installation since i have a blank harddisk now.
[15:29] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you asked the ubuntu installer to do what it did.. i would have suggested manual partitioning to acheive what you wanted
[15:30] <holstein> Mr_Comet: regardless, the take-away i urge you take from this, constructively is.. have backups in the future before doing any partitioning like that
[15:30] <Mr_Comet> i was a fool to assume ubuntu's installation might be like mint.
[15:30] <holstein> the ubuntu installer is not responsible for your data
[15:30] <Mr_Comet> holstein, i know.
[15:31] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you can have the mint installer become the ubuntu one if you like
[15:31] <Mr_Comet> ubuntu have always been ubuntu
[15:31] <holstein> !contribute | Mr_Comet
[15:31] <Mr_Comet> i was wrong.
[15:31] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you can lobby for, or ask for whatever you like.. but, the issue is not with the installer, friend
[15:31] <Mr_Comet> holstein, thats why i wont lobby.
[15:32] <Mr_Comet> ubuntu is perfect for new blank harddisk. period.
[15:32] <holstein> Mr_Comet: sure.. please help by not spreading mis-information about the installer.. take responsibility
[15:32] <holstein> Mr_Comet: ubuntu is not "perfect".. it works as advertised
[15:32] <Mr_Comet> holstein,  im not complaining. i just said im a victim of my mistake.
[15:33] <holstein> Mr_Comet: you can complain, im just making sure the information is correct
[15:34] <holstein> Mr_Comet: i feel for your situation, and loss of data.. and mean no harm
[15:34] <Mr_Comet> no problem.
[15:35] <holstein> the mint installer, or any partitioner can be used to accidentally, or through error, lose partitions/data
[15:36] <holstein> and through error, i dont mean user error.. just any little problem at that stage can be *very* problematic
[15:37] <Mr_Comet> anyways
[15:37] <Mr_Comet> i just wanted to say what happened to me by lubuntu experience.
[15:37] <Mr_Comet> thats all.
[15:37] <Mr_Comet> im off to dinner.
[15:37] <Mr_Comet> see ya holstein . nice talking to ya
[15:38] <holstein> Mr_Comet: sure. i just read that you were implying using the mint installer would have resulted in no data loss, and i just wanted to clarify
[15:38] <holstein> Mr_Comet: cheers!
[15:57] <Waynes1> sometimes when I drag&drop files from the archive manager the mouse pointer stays in drag form (that grabbing hand icon) and I can't click stuff anymore (for example right now)
[15:58] <Waynes1> can someone tell me the name of the archive manager so I can kill it and hopefully recover?
[15:59] <Waynes1> or maybe the key combination to close it?
[15:59] <Waynes1> that was the wrong one...
[16:00] <comics_idees> if you press esc?
[16:00] <comics_idees> does it work?
[16:00] <Waynes1> no :(
[16:01] <comics_idees> the file manager is  PCManFM
[16:08] <Waynes1> does not kill the archive manager though
[16:09]  * Waynes1 reboots
[16:09] <john_rambo> Is there a tool like gwibber for lubuntu ? gwibber is trying to install Unity related stuff
[16:11] <holstein> john_rambo: you can try --no-install-recommends
[16:19] <Waynes> ok, now that I have a mouse again: the process was killed "file-roller"
[16:32] <asd> hi where can i find link to default wallpaper from 14.04?
[19:52] <comics_idees> I installed google earth in lubuntu 14.04 but the result is to show only outlines of countries and black screen inside the earth
[19:52] <comics_idees> no terrain
[19:52] <comics_idees> just black screen
[19:53] <holstein> let them know you are having issues with it.. is it flash?
[19:53] <comics_idees> I dont know if it is flash
[19:54] <comics_idees> I downloaded a .deb
[19:54] <comics_idees> stable
[19:54] <comics_idees> are those .deb in flash?
[19:54] <holstein> comics_idees: correct. but we dont maintain that deb.. lubuntu is not doing anything to keep or prevent google earth from running.. but, there is very little we can do to facilitate its running
[19:56] <comics_idees> yes but this .deb was for ubuntu
[19:56] <ianorlin> I don't really use google earth
[19:56] <comics_idees> do you have an alternative software?
[19:56] <holstein> comics_idees: sure. but, we dont create it, here
[19:56] <holstein> comics_idees: we cant, and are not allowed to support it
[19:56] <holstein> comics_idees: you have to let them know its broken for you..
[19:57] <comics_idees> if you do not use google earth is there an alternative software?
[19:58] <comics_idees> where should I mention this problem with google earth?
[19:59] <holstein> comics_idees: with google earth.. where ever they say support questions go
[19:59] <holstein> otherwise, you may not have the needed 3d drivers.. or 3d support
[20:00] <comics_idees> the 3d drivers can be installed in lubuntu?
[20:00] <comics_idees> how
[20:02] <holstein> comics_idees: it depends on your hardware, and if/how well the manufacturer supports linux
[20:02] <comics_idees> I have an Ati radeon 9000/9100 graphics card
[20:03] <comics_idees> it was playing well google earth for many years
[20:03] <holstein> comics_idees: then you can try the open driver, which you are now, and the proprietary one. though, the open one is usually the "best",a nd experimenting on this level can be challenging, and break things
[20:03] <holstein> comics_idees: sure.. let them know you want to use the product still
[20:06] <comics_idees> I use variety for wallpaper
[20:06] <comics_idees> but it shows wallpaper only to main screen
[20:07] <comics_idees> and does not show wallpaper in extended screen
[20:07] <comics_idees> I have external screen
[20:13] <comics_idees> I think it is a bug of lubuntu
[20:13] <comics_idees> that cannot set wallpaper in every screen
[20:13] <holstein> !bug
[20:14] <ianorlin> does it display lay wallpaper with pcmanfm?
[20:14] <comics_idees> it displays custom wall paper on one screen only
[20:15] <comics_idees> and the extended screen shows default wallpaper
[20:15] <comics_idees> I want to change the wallpaper in extended screen
[20:15] <comics_idees> but it does not change
[20:16] <comics_idees> so my main screen has wallpaper and the extended screen has default wallpaper
[20:20] <holstein> comics_idees: ok..
[20:20] <holstein> !bug
[20:21] <holstein> if you think you have a bug.. though, i typically just dont expect that of LXDE
[20:21] <holstein> you can and likely should try and confirm upstream and post a bug there when possible
[20:22] <Kamilion> I've noticed a lot of weird behavior in 14.04
[20:23] <holstein> Kamilion: i have not.. you'll need to elaborate for a volunteer to help you sort through it
[21:01] <comics_idees> ok I mentioned my problem to google earth
[21:01] <comics_idees> now I wait if somebody answer this from google


[00:25] <Deeps> bimberi: group membership is fine, am using "auth       sufficient pam_wheel.so trust group=admin" in pam.d/su at the moment instead of sudo
[00:25] <Deeps> the "%admin ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" is copy/paste from sudoers file
[00:26] <Deeps> sudo -s, sudo -i, sudo su -, all prompt for user's password
[00:26] <Deeps> sudo apt-get too
[00:31] <Deeps> nm, just added auth       sufficient pam_wheel.so trust group=admin to pam.d/sudo
[00:32] <Deeps> sod sudoers file
[04:35] <kgoetz> hi all. should open[vpn,ssl]-vulnkey give the same output? i have a vpn key that openvpn-vulnkey says is ok, but openssl-vulnkey says is compromised
[04:36] <kgoetz> which is annoying, and more then slightly worrying to me
[05:45] <dave__> good evening
[05:46] <uberG00ber> anyone in here a packaging guru
[05:46] <uberG00ber> or know anything at all about packaging? lol
[07:32]  * delcoyote hi
[08:02] <kraut> moin
[08:42] <Stonekeeper> hi. Is there a way to find out the version of an updated package before installing it? thanks.
[08:46] <blue-frog> Stonekeeper: apt-cache madison program or apt-cache show program
[08:49] <Stonekeeper> blue-frog: i thought that showed the installed version?
[08:49] <soren> Stonekeeper: Maybe "apt-get -s ..." is what you want?
[08:50] <Stonekeeper> madison looks interesting. i'll try -s
[08:51] <Stonekeeper> right, same info. ok thanks.
[08:51] <blue-frog> Stonekeeper: shows all packages, try it you will see...
[08:51] <Stonekeeper> out of interest, i don't suppose you know of anyone who backports samba/ldap to 6.06.2 ?
[08:51] <Stonekeeper> 3.0.24 is really old
[08:53] <Stonekeeper> hmm.. it appears i'm looking at feisty. bleargh. i'll check the dapper repos
[08:57] <Stonekeeper> blue-frog: thanks for your time.
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache policy?
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, its gone
[09:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #234926 in logwatch (main) "logwatch missing conf files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234926
[09:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #234927 in php5 (main) "delay php script execution on cli" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234927
[11:00] <owh> I'm experiencing an intermittent solid freeze on suspend of my Thinkpad running Gutsy. In order to locate the problem and locate/create an appropriate bug report I need to figure out a way to determine what is actually happening that might be causing this. Can anyone suggest any such methods?
[11:04] <steph33560> Hello
[11:04] <steph33560>  Does somebody else use virt-manager here ?
[11:04] <owh> steph33560: You should ask your actual question.
[11:05] <steph33560> owh,  I would like to solve the error "Error starting domain: virDomainCreate() failed" when I launch my VM as non-root user
[11:06] <steph33560> my user is member of kvm and libvirtd
[11:06] <steph33560> on files, chown root:libvirtd is set, and chmod is  660
[11:07] <owh> I've not used virt-manager, but if it works as root and not as your user, my question would be: "After you added that user to those groups - assuming they are the correct ones - did you logout and back in again?"
[11:07] <Koon> steph33560: make sure virtualization is enabled in your BIOS
[11:08] <steph33560> Koon, it is enable, and my processor is VMX compliant
[11:08] <steph33560> owh, I logged out many times... even reboot ;)
[11:08] <steph33560> owh, if you do not use virt--manager, what do you use ?
[11:09] <owh> Well, not having used virt-manager, my personal next step would be to use strace to see where it's failing.
[11:09] <steph33560> mmhh I've got the trace in the main program
[11:09] <owh> steph33560: At present I'm using vmware, but that is under review.
[11:10] <steph33560> owh, we stopped using vmware since IOWait problems and time syncrhonisation pb when starting several VM on a same host
[11:10] <steph33560> here is the error : http://pastebin.com/d4c838a
[11:11] <steph33560> it's python...
[11:11] <owh> steph33560: As I said, it's use is under review :)
[11:12] <hads> Tried using virsh?
[11:12] <steph33560> hads, that's the funny piece of the cake
[11:12] <steph33560> when starting with virsh as non root user, VM starts
[11:13] <steph33560> then using virt-manager as non-root displays the VM as shutdown...
[11:13] <steph33560> using virt-manager as root displays it running !
[11:13] <owh> steph33560: So, it's a permissions issue.
[11:14] <steph33560> chmod is 660 on image file and description file
[11:14] <owh> steph33560: Or it
[11:14] <owh> steph33560: Or it
[11:14] <owh> crap
[11:14] <hads> :)
[11:14] <owh> steph33560: Or it's a bug.
[11:14] <owh> The ' is next to my enter key :)
[11:14] <hads> Yup
[11:15] <steph33560> I thought it was permissions, but even with chown root:libvirt on image file and xml file, and with chmod 660 too, I've always got the same error
[11:16] <hads> If virsh works as non-root you must have permission
[11:16] <owh> steph33560: It may not be on the image, it might be on a device node for example.
[11:16] <hads> I'm not familiar enough with virt-manager to offer too much help though.
[11:16] <owh> hads: I'm in the same boat :)
[11:16] <steph33560> hads, i'm pretty as experienced as uou ;)
[11:16] <steph33560> s/uou/you/
[11:17] <steph33560> owh, device /dev/kvm ?
[11:17] <steph33560> owh, I've set it 660 and root:kvm
[11:17] <owh> steph33560: May I suggest that you send an email to the ubuntu-server list as there are plenty of people who either wrote that code or know how it works. Depending on your local timezone, they might be around in about six or so hours - while I'm fast asleep :)
[11:17] <steph33560> good idea
[11:18] <steph33560> but ... i've submitted a bug 234938 @ bugs.launchpad.net.
[11:18] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 234938 in virt-manager "VM started with virsh but not marked started in virt-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234938
[11:18] <owh> steph33560: Well, that will achieve the same eventually :)
[11:18] <simosx> hi all
[11:18] <steph33560> owh,  :)
[11:18] <steph33560> hi simosx
[11:19] <steph33560> owh, hads, do you think my description is enough precise
[11:19] <simosx> i want to try out LTSP 5.0. I have Ubuntu 8.04 desktop. Would "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" do it for me?
[11:20] <steph33560> simosx, if your apt is up to date, no pb...
[11:20] <steph33560> simosx, even if, aptitude will ask you (negative score)
[11:20] <steph33560> simosx, verify your sources before ...
[11:20] <hads> I'll take a look in a few minutes after LP loads for me :)
[11:21] <simosx> steph33560: thanks. this means that I do not have to install ubuntu-server for the demonstration that I am preparing.
[11:23] <steph33560> simosx, are your talking about package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-server ?
[11:23] <owh> I'm experiencing an intermittent solid freeze on suspend of my Thinkpad running Gutsy. In order to locate the problem and locate/create an appropriate bug report I need to figure out a way to determine what is actually happening that might be causing this. Can anyone suggest any such methods or a better place to ask this question?
[11:23] <hads> steph33560: Looks like a fine description to me. The only difference I can see from mine with a cursory look is that I have a+r on the XML files
[11:23] <hads> (they are root:root)
[11:24] <steph33560> hads, thanks hads :)
[11:27] <simosx> steph33560: there are two different Ubuntu ISOs, the desktop and the server. The server comes by default with things like nfs. sshd, ltsp, and so on. I would like to try out just LTSP, preferably on my current Desktop installation. I wonder whether apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone will pull in the necessary packages (I believe the kernel does not hurt to stay the same), or I need to handpick.
[11:27] <steph33560> simosx, since you want to install LTSP, try out mini distros
[11:27] <steph33560> install the minimal OS, then aptitude install ltsp
[11:28] <steph33560> even if you face problem laters, you'll be able to install the server using aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-16-server
[11:28] <steph33560> s/laters/later/
[11:28] <simosx> I see.
[11:28] <steph33560> simosx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[11:31] <simosx> I'll go for the Ubuntu Server installation on a fresh partition. It looks saner when I describe this at the training.
[11:32] <hads> Just followed the libvirt Python but it goes down into a C module so not much for me to see.
[11:33] <steph33560> hads, I'm stucking on it too :-(
[11:50] <AnRkey> for some reason i can't connect via ssh from my ebox to any other ssh server
[11:50] <AnRkey> scp and ssh
[11:50] <AnRkey> ssh just times out
[11:50] <AnRkey> can anyone help?
[11:52] <AnRkey> i have tried installing stuff via apt and i have tried ssh'ing in to other box's too. I can't find anything in the logs and I have disabled the firewall service in ebox.
[12:25] <steph33560> AnRkey, does netstat -ant points out a ssh listening socket ?
[12:31]  * _ruben would use netstat -lnt instead when looking for listening sockets
[12:32]  * hads uses -plant just because it spells a word
[12:33] <_ruben> combining l and a doesnt seem very useful to me though :)
[12:34] <hads> No it's not, but I like it anyway :)
[12:34] <hads> l overrides a
[12:34] <hads> erm, other way round.
[12:46] <bimberi> <--  plunt
[12:50] <AnRkey> steph33560, I cant ssh out
[12:50] <AnRkey> ssh in works fine
[12:50] <AnRkey> i cant use apt-get either
[12:53] <steph33560> AnRkey,  don't understand ... you said you can't connect ...
[12:55] <AnRkey> i can't connect to ssh servers from within the ebox server
[12:56] <AnRkey> so when i am at the terminal of the ebox, i cant ssh out or use apt-get to install bits
[12:56] <steph33560> AnRkey, does this box have iptables rules ?
[12:56] <hads> Do you have any network connection at all?
[12:56] <AnRkey> steph33560, i think it's iptables that might be the problem
[12:56] <_magnetic> AnRkey: you will have to add firewall rules to your eBox server
[12:57] <AnRkey> _magnetic, i think this is the answer yes. I think that even though I have disabled the firewall, some of the iptables rules are still there
[12:57]  * AnRkey is checking
[12:57] <_magnetic> AnRkey: if you have enabled the firewall module, it won't allow you to connect to external servers
[12:57] <steph33560> AnRkey, iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT
[12:57] <steph33560> AnRkey, iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --sport ssh -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT
[12:57] <steph33560> AnRkey, if connecting on port 22, of course
[12:58] <_magnetic> AnRkey: it's pretty easy to add a firewall rule to allow connection to external stuff
[12:58] <steph33560> AnRkey, and if connecting throught ppp0... might be eth0 for you
[13:00] <_magnetic> AnRkey: if you want to add rules to allow external connections go to Firewall->packet filter->Filtering rules for traffic coming out from eBox
[13:00] <AnRkey> _magnetic, this i know. My pickle is that the firewall was supposed to be disabled
[13:00] <AnRkey> odd
[13:01] <_magnetic> AnRkey: do you have any interface configured by dhcp?
[13:01] <AnRkey> none, no
[13:01] <_magnetic> AnRkey: weird, can you run this: /etc/init.d/ebox firewall stop ?
[13:01] <AnRkey> ok really odd... i enabled the firewall > added an any rule and accept for outgoing connections and it's fine
[13:01] <AnRkey> but the firewall was off to begin with
[13:02] <AnRkey> it's working now though...
[13:02] <AnRkey> bug?
[13:02] <_magnetic> AnRkey: did you save changes when you disabled the firewall?
[13:02] <AnRkey> yes
[13:02] <AnRkey> i am going to disable it now to try and reproduce
[13:02] <AnRkey> the fault :D
[13:02] <_magnetic> :D
[13:03] <_magnetic> AnRkey: could you make sure you don't have any dhclient running?
[13:04] <AnRkey> ok
[13:06] <AnRkey> hmm
[13:06] <AnRkey> ok firewall is off and it's still fine
[13:06] <AnRkey> but i never removed that rule from the firewall section before i downed the firewall
[13:08] <AnRkey> ok, i took the any-any-outgoing rule out
[13:08] <AnRkey> and then downed the fw
[13:08] <_magnetic> ok
[13:08] <AnRkey> and it's scr3wed again
[13:08] <_magnetic> AnRkey: try this
[13:08] <_magnetic>  /etc/init.d/ebox firewall stop
[13:09] <AnRkey> that worked
[13:09] <AnRkey> so the fw is not stopping then?
[13:09] <_magnetic> it looks like that
[13:09] <_magnetic> please, can you check if you have any dhclient running?
[13:09] <AnRkey> gonna search for a bug in lp
[13:09] <_magnetic> just to rule that out
[13:09] <AnRkey> ok
[13:10] <AnRkey> 21720 ?        00:00:00 dhclient3
[13:10] <AnRkey> my interface eth0 is static though
[13:10] <AnRkey> just confirmed
[13:10] <_magnetic> AnRkey: ok this a known bug then
[13:10] <AnRkey> oh ok
[13:11] <AnRkey> nice to know
[13:11] <AnRkey> i am doing research on a vm here
[13:11] <_magnetic> in your /etc/network/interfaces you have that interface configured by dhcp
[13:11] <AnRkey> working all the kinks out
[13:11] <AnRkey> checking
[13:11] <AnRkey> wtf?
[13:11] <AnRkey> it is
[13:11] <AnRkey> but then...
[13:12] <AnRkey> how
[13:12] <_magnetic> AnRkey: one sec
[13:13] <_magnetic> AnRkey: that's something we have changed for the next eBox version 0.11.100
[13:14] <_magnetic> AnRkey: basically: we didnt overwrite the /etc/network/interfaces, we wrote the conf in other file
[13:14] <_magnetic> and that caused this kind of issues
[13:15] <AnRkey> i c
[13:15] <_magnetic> AnRkey: you have the new packages available in here http://ebox-platform.com/download/
[13:15] <AnRkey> will the new version use the interfaces file?
[13:15] <_magnetic> AnRkey: or you can just woraround your problem by modifying your /etc/network/interfaces
[13:15] <AnRkey> ok
[13:15] <AnRkey> well it works fine as long as i leave the firewall on
[13:16] <_magnetic> AnRkey: the new version already uses the normal interfaces file, and fixes that issue
[13:16] <AnRkey> i can just add that any<>any<>outgoing rule
[13:16] <AnRkey> ok shweet
[13:16] <AnRkey> i love the app so far
[13:16] <AnRkey> nice work
[13:16] <_magnetic> thanks :)
[13:17] <_magnetic> AnRkey: by the way there are more available packages which didn't make it to Hardy in our repos
[13:17] <AnRkey> oh ok
[13:17] <_magnetic> and i expect to release a new version in a few days
[13:17] <AnRkey> do i add your repos to mine or do i replace mine with yours?
[13:17] <AnRkey> shweet
[13:17] <AnRkey> you have a wiki page for the project?
[13:18] <_magnetic> AnRkey: we use trac http://trac.ebox-platform.com
[13:18] <AnRkey> ok cool
[13:18] <AnRkey> gonna signup
[13:19] <AnRkey> i live in a small town called george in south africa. So every1 that I have shown ebox to is excited about it
[13:19] <_magnetic> and the developers usually hang out on #ebox , so feel free to ask stuff there too
[13:19] <AnRkey> ok shweet, thanks
[13:19] <_magnetic> ok
[13:20] <_magnetic> gotta go now, i gotta install a eBox for a customer
[13:20] <_magnetic> see you later
[13:20]  * AnRkey cried when webmin stopped working correctly in ubuntu
[13:20] <AnRkey> ciao
[13:32] <geertn> I noticed the installer was unable to install grub on my /dev/i2o/hdb device
[13:33] <geertn> anyone familiar with this story and should I file a bug?
[16:03] <zul> mathiaz: I was thinking that patch you did for dovecot should really go upstream
[16:04] <zul> to dovecot
[16:04] <soren> Which one was that?
[16:16] <mathiaz> zul: are you refering to the log message ?
[16:17] <mathiaz> zul: I think so - I haven't checked if the upstream hg repository has already fixed it somehow.
[16:18] <zul> mathiaz: yes thats the one Im referring to
[17:59] <macd> after setting my LVM volume active what is the device that I mount? /dev/lvm_volume doesnt work
[18:06] <mathiaz> macd: try to look into /dev/group_name/lv_name
[18:06] <macd> I used volume group name lvm1 but nothing in /dev/ seems to match
[18:07] <macd> mathiaz, vgscan finds the volume, as well as vgdisplay shows it
[18:07] <macd> but I can't format it, or mount it
[18:10] <macd> mathiaz, ahh, figured it out, I didnt create the logical volume, only the physical partitions were added to the group
[18:14] <macd> I think I'll edit the help.ubuntu page to better reflect the steps
[18:17] <ScottK> macd: Thank you for taking the time to improve the documentation.
[18:20] <macd> its only about the 100th time ;)
[18:20] <macd> brb
[18:54] <stefg> I'd like to have a public (writable for guests) samba share on a 8.04 server running ebox. I'm facing 2 problems: 1.) actaully there's no use in manually editing smb.conf, b/c ebox will overwrite the change sooner or later. (For testing i added a share manually in smb.conf) 2.) win-clients can see the the share, but are unable to browse it (get passwd prompt). A hardy client can't even see...
[18:54] <stefg> ...the share... the ebox docu is pretty sparse, anyone got a hint for me?
[18:56] <zul> try #ebox
[18:57] <stefg> ah... there's an irc-channel? thanx
[19:37] <Miguel`> Hi, I wonder if there is a way to stop to annoying sound my server makes while running Folding@Home by not letting it write on the harddisk?
[19:38] <krogh> Use lsof or fuser to find out what files i actually touches..
[19:38] <krogh> and move them to a ram-filesystem.
[19:43] <Miguel`> Why don't they run it in ram as standard?
[19:46] <krogh> That was one of the tough questions..
[19:47] <krogh> Why did some other developer chose another implemetations plan.. Hmm...
[19:51] <Deeps> lol
[19:52] <Deeps> Miguel`: you need to ask your hardware manufacturer why they made your disks so noiy
[19:52] <Deeps> noisy*
[19:52] <Miguel`> It's an old PC :)
[19:52] <Miguel`> And I don't have the sound when, for example, copying huge files to my FTP
[19:52] <Miguel`> It sounds like a sharp beeping sound
[19:56] <Jeeves_> Miguel`: Probably lots of smal reads/writes
[19:56] <Jeeves_> Anyways, if the data isn't that important
[19:56] <Jeeves_> You can always create a driectory in /dev/shm/
[19:56] <Miguel`> The data is important
[19:57] <Jeeves_> Than you need te leave it on disk
[19:57] <Jeeves_> And buy another less noisy disk :)
[19:57] <Miguel`> It would require me to write a script that executes Folding@Home on the ram and when I close it, copy the files to hard disk
[19:57] <Miguel`> To much work for what it's worth
[19:58] <krogh> Miguel`: Well.. youre probably still paying quite alot for the extra power it uses.. anyway .. :-)
[19:59] <Miguel`> I just wanted to donate some CPU power to science, since it's a small home server (www,LAN,gameserver)
[20:57] <opn6> I want to install  ubuntu sever with the gui.  can i only use the gui when i need it? Or will it boot to the desktop by default???
[21:13] <faulkes-> you can turn off the gui starting by default by configuring when init loads it up
[21:13] <faulkes-> you can turn off the gui starting by default by configuring when init loads it up
[21:14] <faulkes-> just change /etc/rc3.d/S<number><servicename> to /etc/rc3.d/K<number><servicename> (and the same for rc4.d and rc5.d)
[21:18] <opn6> thanks.. so much to learn.
[21:23] <InsomniaCity> faulkes-: change? does ubuntu not have something like chkconfig?
[21:26] <\sh> update-rc.d
[21:26] <\sh> chkconfig is rpm stuff
[21:26] <\sh> update-rc.d is debian
[21:27] <\sh> invoke-rc.d is debian too
[21:28] <\sh> sysv-rc-conf is interactive
[21:28] <\sh> (needs to installed, is not available by default)
[22:57] <fabianhoward> is there any form of documentation for administering the mail server profile?
[23:00] <mathiaz> fabianhoward: there is an email section in the Ubuntu server guide
[23:00] <mathiaz> fabianhoward: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[23:02] <fabianhoward> mathiaz: thank you, but I can't find any documentation on what the mail server profile provides(from reading config it seems to include a mysql backend, but I've absolutely no idea how to add users etc?)
[23:14] <mathiaz> fabianhoward: the mysql backend is not enabled by default.
[23:14] <mathiaz> fabianhoward: postfix will use the system users.
[23:14] <mathiaz> fabianhoward: /system users/local users/
[23:25] <fabianhoward> mathiaz: and dovecot will authenticate with pamd?
[23:29]  * delcoyote hi
[23:31] <fabianhoward> hi
[23:42] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #235100 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql got signal 11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235100
[23:43] <SwissPhoenix> Hi folks, is there already something implemented to get noticed if unattended-upgrades can't upgrade a package? Or do I have to do something on my own....?


[07:20] <asac> good morning :)
[07:25] <AJNpa80> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1127051
[07:49] <maxb> window level all
[08:26] <seb128> hello there
[08:37] <pitti> Good morning
[08:40] <didrocks>  morning seb128 & pitti
[08:40] <seb128> hello didrocks pitti
[08:41] <pitti> hey didrocks
[09:34] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson: alex said he thinks he knows what is wrong with your nautilus bug
[09:35] <seb128> he will have a look today apparently
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[09:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson: in fact he just fixed it to svn
[09:38] <seb128> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/nautilus?view=revision&revision=15184
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i just noticed the e-mail i got from the bugzilla
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> i'll test the change later
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: hm, we do no longer enable 81_gnome-app-install in nautilus for the mime search stuff?
[13:03] <didrocks> pitti: I added -d to your debclean change in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr (contrary to debian/clean rules, debclean checks by defaut if build-deps are installed)
[13:07] <pitti> well, that's usually a good idea, isn't it?
[13:09] <didrocks> pitti: not sure, I often use intrepid to build with pbuilder
[13:09] <didrocks> pitti: so, I don't have the build-deps installed. And I only use debian/rules clean to update debian/control from debian/control.in :)
[13:12] <seb128> mvo: no, why?
[13:18] <mvo> seb128: not having it means we can no longer do mime searches - or was that replaced with some different functionatliy?
[13:19] <seb128> mvo: basically nobody ported the patch when nautilus has been ported to gio (it was not trivial and I've been too busy to work on that)
[13:20] <mvo> ok. have a look, I think its a nice feature
[13:20] <seb128> mvo: the current version can use *kit to install packages if available but since we don't have that installed by default ... any change planned around that for karmic?
[13:21] <seb128> mvo: gnome-control-center can also installed theme engines if required using that
[13:21] <mvo> seb128: is it using the dbus desktop api for this? having that would be pretty easy
[13:21] <seb128> mvo: look at the code or ask to james_w he fixed some bugs about that recently but I think so yes
[13:21] <mvo> seb128: the problem with PK has not changed, it can not install  packages that require interaction
[13:22] <seb128> mvo: well, for the gnome-control-center theme engines or nautilus applications cases that should be no issue
[13:22] <seb128> no?
[13:22] <james_w> mvo: yeah, it uses dbus
[13:22] <james_w> session bus
[13:22] <seb128> hey james_w ;-)
[13:22] <james_w> hi seb128
[13:23] <mvo> if it uses the session bus api, then that (currenly) requires the whole gnome PK desktop apps, we should split that
[13:23] <seb128> mvo: can't we get it installed and used for easy packages and have it bailing an error for debconf cases?
[13:23] <mvo> its doing that right now (erroring out)
[13:23] <seb128> mvo: we will not change that for jaunty anyway, we can discuss that at uds (again?) if you want ;-)
[13:24] <seb128> otherwise I will let you decide if you think that we should get the gnome-app-install patch back
[13:24] <seb128> it's still there but not applied because the code changed, ie just need somebody adapting it to the new codebase
[13:24] <mvo> seb128: the g-a-i patch seems to be pretty small, I look into that and if its ok I think its a canidate for jaunty-updates
[13:25] <mvo> seb128: for karmic we should provide the dbus session api in one way or the other
[13:25] <seb128> mvo: would be great, thanks ;-)
[13:51] <pitti> didrocks: I see
[13:56] <seb128> didrocks: I would argue if that you are running intrepid you can't really test jaunty upgrades though
[14:03] <huats> hello everyone
[14:05] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: ping
[14:06] <tseliot> asac: this post suggests that I keep bugging you until 0.7.1 is available (in PPA for hardy in my case): http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/04/16/you-will-upgrade-to-networkmanager-071/
[14:10] <kenvandine_wk> morning rickspencer3
[14:14] <asac> tseliot: i have the port for hardy somewhere. just need to get it up
[14:14] <tseliot> asac: great :-)
[14:15] <rickspencer3> good morning kenvandine_wk, et al
[14:16] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: i did some gajim hacking last night... looks like the indicator stuff isn't what's broken in gajim
[14:16] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:16] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:16] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: it never calls the notify method, at least for messages... only seems to for contact_connected and new_mail
[14:16] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: so we also don't get notifications for messages... which we did before
[14:17] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: didn't follow it back far enough to see why not...
[14:17] <rickspencer3> pitti: is it too late to make a change to Jaunty?
[14:17] <rickspencer3> just one more package?
[14:17] <rickspencer3> j/k
[14:17] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[14:18] <pitti> rickspencer3: you have to convince slangasek, but for new packages, definitive "yes"
[14:18] <pitti> or, if it's universe, convince motu-release :)
[14:18]  * kenvandine_wk has a laptop with intel that xorg doesn't work in the installer
[14:18] <rickspencer3> perhaps we could get calc to upload OO 3.0
[14:18] <kenvandine_wk> s/laptop/netbook
[14:18] <rickspencer3> I mean 3.1
[14:18] <rickspencer3> it's only like 50 megs bigger compressed
[14:18] <pitti> rickspencer3: what did you have for breakfast?
[14:18] <pitti> I want it too!
[14:18]  * pitti throws some candies at rickspencer3
[14:19] <kenvandine_wk> i am terrified of OOo changes
[14:19] <kenvandine_wk> they are never easy...
[14:19] <rickspencer3> seriously though, I'm wondering if Hugh's upgrade report may be the norm
[14:19] <seb128> we should just ship abiword ang gnumeric
[14:19] <seb128> less issues and CD spaces for translations ;-)
[14:19] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: oh yeah!
[14:19] <rickspencer3> seb128: put it on the UDS schedule
[14:19] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: we'll never win that... it is insane
[14:20] <seb128> rickspencer3: you want to get me into trouble at uds, don't you? ;-)
[14:20] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: I know, I was joking
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: 3 years ago i tried doing that in foresight... i literally got hate mail about it
[14:20] <rickspencer3> actually, OO is very important to Ubuntu and our users
[14:20] <rickspencer3> lol
[14:20]  * kenvandine_wk likes google docs
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> i saw we ship prism wrappers for google docs :-D
[14:21] <rickspencer3> I think that users expect a bloated and full featured Office-like package
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> much easier to maintain... and faster to build :)
[14:21] <rickspencer3> and without, we wouldn't seem like a real platform
[14:21] <rickspencer3> :(
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> true
[14:21] <rickspencer3> I think it would be sweet if someone did for OO what someone did for Netscape Navigator
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> and OOo has gotten better
[14:22] <kenvandine_wk> isn't novell kind of doing that?
[14:22] <kenvandine_wk> or is that more out of desparation?
[14:22] <pitti> yeah, splitting the apps is on the plan
[14:22] <rickspencer3> well .. they are splitting them to make it all easier to build
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: easier to maintain as well... and easier for distributors
[14:23] <rickspencer3> but they are not extracting the 10% of the code which is the most valuable and making that lighter and faster
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> all and all a win
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: true
[14:23] <rickspencer3> what Novel is doing is super valuable though
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> hey tedg
[14:24] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: good morning
[14:25] <mvo> seb128: bug #362307 (includes the patch) - somehow I missed that this got dropped, otherwise I would have tried to get to it earlier
[14:26] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[14:28] <seb128> mvo: that looks fine to me, maybe try asking slangasek if that can go between rc and jaunty?
[14:33] <rickspencer3> jcastro: 2nd page of digg?
[14:35] <mvo> seb128: thanks for the review, I will think about but my gut feeling is that its ok to do a sru for it
[14:39] <seb128> mvo: I've an another sru pending for nautilus but I can get both in the same upload
[14:40] <mvo> cool, thanks - let me know if I can do anything to make your life easier (like putting it into bzr ;)
[14:40] <seb128> mvo: yes please commit to bzr so I don't forget about it ;-)
[14:40] <seb128> the package is already in bzr so you just have to push the change
[14:41] <mvo> seb128: ok
[14:41] <seb128> thanks
[14:41] <didrocks> seb128: that's true, just running in VB currently. I will fix this for next session, but still wait for alpha 3 maybe to not having whole day just to set up/fix things
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks: alpha3? rc is this week you are lagging ;-)
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: Really? O_o kidding, I'm talking for next release of course :p
[14:43] <seb128> well if you test in vm you can probably build in the vm too no?
[14:44] <seb128> otherwise how do you now it build with current unstable versions?
[14:44] <didrocks> seb128: I'm thinking about switch to kvm, because VB is not very suited for that.
[14:44] <didrocks> seb128: pbuilder
[14:44] <didrocks> and with that, I'm sure to not forget some build-deps
[14:45] <didrocks> don't be afraid, I also testbuild, testinstall and trying the app before getting some sponsorship :)
[14:58] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: kewl. let's look at it tomorrow when I have a day off :-)
[14:59] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[14:59] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: i hadn't even noticed i wasn't getting the notifications.. although i only use gajim for testing :)
[15:00] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: I'm getting the usual bubbles for notifications still.
[15:00] <kenvandine_wk> for messages?
[15:01] <kenvandine_wk> i get them for new mail and contacts connecting
[15:01] <kenvandine_wk> not for new messages
[15:01] <seb128> didrocks: it's just weird that you work on a distribution you don't use
[15:01] <seb128> didrocks: it's lot of extra work
[15:05] <didrocks> seb128: the extra work is when running autotools, yes :/
[15:05] <seb128> didrocks: no, the extra work is all the time, when starting the vm, when trying in the vm rather than normal use, when using pbuilder rather than just building
[15:06] <seb128> I've been doing cross distro builds, there is a reason why I do so few debian updates nowadays ;-)
[15:07] <didrocks> seb128: maybe my worflow will change with the time :) I added a hook to push in a local reprepro and just apt-get update in the vm (who is running all the time, when updating/fixing packages).
[15:07] <didrocks> but I agree that pbuilder is slow :/
[15:07] <didrocks> but it's great to avoid missing build-deps, it's something I'm quite afraid of (even if I diff the configure files automatically now ;))
[15:08] <seb128> I'm doing iso testing in kvm, it's nice to do quick testing but it's the same that running the system and doing it normal use testing for a day
[15:08] <didrocks> seb128: and you switch to the new version from day 1 of open repository ?
[15:09] <seb128> no, I usually focus on doing srus and stabilizing stable for a month and so
[15:09] <seb128> then I keep stable but start doing syncs on debian and test those on the current stable
[15:09] <seb128> in which point I've a mix of stable + updated GNOME
[15:10] <seb128> and I upgrade when I feel the new version should be somewhat usable (usually around uds)
[15:10] <huats> seb128: you know with didrocks we have a lot of work methods in common (the vm usage)
[15:10] <seb128> you can install selected GNOME updates and still keep xorg, linux etc from the stable
[15:10] <didrocks> ok, seems interesting. I will see which workflow will suit me the best for next release. Everyday is a new experiencing one ;)
[15:11] <didrocks> seb128: seems to be tricky to define apt priorities for every GNOME package
[15:13] <seb128> I don't
[15:13] <seb128> I just install what I need to build the updates I'm working on
[15:13] <seb128> and dpkg -i those
[15:14] <didrocks> seb128: yes, but you build most of GNOME package, so, if we want to update GNOME packages too, we will certainly need yours putted in unstable ubuntu release :)
[15:15] <seb128> I do upload things directly, what reason would I have to keep those locally?
[15:15] <seb128> but I expect the work for next month will be to sync GNOME 2.26 on debian
[15:15] <seb128> ie jaunty will have all the requirement to build and test those
[15:16] <didrocks> seb128: ok, right, I didn't get it, that you only worked SRU for jaunty, thought that you put the new GNOME updates to karmic
[15:16] <seb128> no
[15:17] <seb128> I work first on getting some SRU in jaunty to fix issues we will get reported around now and after jaunty
[15:17] <didrocks> right...
[15:17] <seb128> let's say from now until 2 weeks after jaunty
[15:17] <seb128> then I work on bringing the debian and ubuntu 2.26 in sync in karmic
[15:17] <seb128> that will take some weeks, and since they have 2.26 you can do that on jaunty
[15:17] <seb128> then I start on 2.27
[15:18] <didrocks> ok, so, no major prerequiste changes during this time
[15:18] <seb128> which you can start building and testing on jaunty
[15:18] <didrocks> ok
[15:18] <seb128> in this point you have a jaunty + updated GNOME
[15:18] <seb128> then I upgrade ;-)
[15:18] <didrocks> understood :-)
[15:19] <didrocks> keep us in touch for what we can fix/merge from debian after jaunty's release
[15:19] <didrocks> do we put 2.26.1 to debian SVN alioth?
[15:19] <didrocks> (push back, removing ubuntu LPI for instance?)
[15:20] <seb128> debian is getting 2.26.1 right now
[15:21] <seb128> so we basically get their 2.26 version for things they updated
[15:21] <seb128> diff with ubunyu
[15:21] <seb128> ubuntu
[15:21] <seb128> apply ubuntu changes if required
[15:21] <pitti> rickspencer3, bryce: FYI, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 now have detailled workaround information, warnings, and rollback instructions
[15:21] <seb128> ask a sync if not
[15:21] <didrocks> ... what is called merging :)
[15:21] <seb128> and if there is some changes which would make sense for debian them those to the debian bts
[15:22] <didrocks> oki
[15:22] <rickspencer3> pitti: so weird, I was just checking that
[15:22] <seb128> right, I'm not sure to understand your question so I explain it again ;-)
[15:22] <didrocks> seb128: you use Mom to get merging status (what packages have been updated) or just ML?
[15:23] <rickspencer3> pitti: could you please add a section for the freezes?
[15:23] <seb128> didrocks: usually ml, but that's another case where having a table of versions would be useful
[15:23] <pitti> rickspencer3: I went through those bugs, but the only non-patchy workaround that I found was to disable DRI
[15:24] <seb128> didrocks: in fact I've a custom hack to generate a package of packages where the debian version is higher than the ubuntu one
[15:24] <rickspencer3> pitti: I think folks find that turning off desktop effects works
[15:24] <pitti> rickspencer3: which is currently covered in the suspend/hibernate hangs
[15:24] <seb128> a page of packages rather
[15:24] <pitti> I'll make that more general
[15:24] <rickspencer3> I'd rather be explicit about the hangs
[15:26] <didrocks> seb128: a page of packages is more understable than package of package :) Ok, seems where we should give a look at too :)
[15:26] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the workflow explanation
[15:27] <pitti> rickspencer3: updated again
[15:27] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[15:27] <rickspencer3> pitti: thanks
[15:27] <rickspencer3> looks good
[15:27] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:07] <superm1> mvo, particularly about that zenity thing, the proposed patch just changes focus_on_map in all the glade file to True.  wanted to see if there was opposition to this (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25534023/zenity-2.26.0-focus.patch) ?
[16:10] <mvo> superm1: not from me, makes me wonder why it was defaulting to "False" in the first place
[16:10] <superm1> mvo, well i'd guess oversight;  this emphasis on making sure focus_on_map was doing the right thing is a recentish thing isn't it?
[16:13] <mvo> superm1: sort of, the fact that it opens in the background is, but unless there is a good reason (taht I don't see) I think focus_on_map should be true
[16:15] <superm1> mvo, okay. seb128 didn't hae an opinion about this one way or the other either, so since upstream hasn't been responsive on this, i'd like to get this patch in to fix the immediate problem and then repoke upstream
[16:15] <seb128> what is the bug number again?
[16:20] <superm1> bug 272083
[16:36]  * jtholmes is away: for about 3 hours
[17:12] <seb128> pedro_: hey
[17:12] <pedro_> salut seb128
[17:12] <seb128> pedro_: what's going on on bug #338644, still looking upstream for a duplicate? ;-)
[17:13] <pedro_> seb128: woops don't think so, will take care of that now, thanks for raising it
[17:14] <pedro_> too many bug mail to catch up :-7
[17:14] <seb128> pedro_: you're welcome, thanks, I'm cleaning nautilus today ;-)
[17:14] <seb128> I did gnome-control-center yesterday
[17:14] <seb128> yeah, I've stopped keeping emails as todolist, too many of those
[17:14] <seb128> I read those quickly, reply to things easy or important
[17:14] <seb128> and triage components on launchpad directly otherwis
[17:15] <seb128> listing bugs which are not known to affect upstream or need to be sent there
[17:15] <pedro_> yeah that seems the best way to do it, otherwise you keep missing things like that bug
[17:17] <seb128> pedro_: don't worry that's nothing important, it's just not possible to keep track of everything going on ;-)
[17:23] <mib_8snagyca> hey is this anygood?
[17:24] <mib_8snagyca> any1 here?
[17:24] <mib_8snagyca> fine be that way
[17:42] <hyperair> some people just can't wait. how stupid.
[18:21] <seb128> bbl
[20:47] <pitti> rickspencer3-afk: what you tried to say with the "required:" blueprint whiteboards is better achieved with "Subscribe someone else" -> "Participation essential"
[20:48] <pitti> rickspencer3-afk: the summit.ubuntu.com planner also has this feature, I'm not sure whether setting this is bidirectional (Keybuk?)
[20:50] <seb128> pitti: what sort of fixes will be accepted between rc and jaunty?
[20:50] <pitti> seb128: OMGbreakstheworld, and "tiny patch with zero regression risk"
[20:51] <pitti> (being considerate with the latter, especially with the ones which can become SRUs)
[20:51] <seb128> ok, not really learning something there, I think I need to come with specific examples ;-)
[20:52] <seb128> pitti: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/libsoup?view=revision&revision=1254 for example
[20:52] <seb128> pitti: fix some crasher cases in evolution (not so frequent but enough to have upstream asking me if jaunty has the change)
[20:53] <seb128> I'm fine doing srus, etc
[20:53] <pitti> seb128: you can try and upload it to the queue, worst case it gets rejected and needs to be turned into an SRU
[20:53] <seb128> but I'm also fine getting the fix in jaunty and doing less paper work ;-)
[20:53] <pitti> well, at this point it isn't less paperwork
[20:53] <nhaines> heh
[20:53] <pitti> you need a jaunty bug for it and document the fix, sub ubuntu-release, etc.
[20:54] <seb128> right, I'm just trying to optimize, ie I will not bother going through those rounds if you prefer having an sru direct
[20:54] <seb128> ok, thanks
[20:54] <seb128> I will sru
[20:54] <seb128> do you know if jaunty-proposed is already open for uploads?
[20:54] <pitti> seb128: sounds good
[20:54] <pitti> seb128: yes, you can upload to -proposed
[20:54] <pitti> it won't get accepted until after release, of cousre
[20:55] <seb128> right
[20:55] <seb128> just to get things out of my plates
[20:55] <seb128> ie get bugs in shape and uploads in the queue
[20:56] <pitti> you can do that, yes
[20:57] <pitti> ok, early bedtime for me today, to get healthy again
[20:57]  * pitti waves
[20:57] <seb128> pitti: 'night
[21:48] <seb128> pedro_: still looking to bug #320026 too? ;-)
[21:48] <pedro_> seb128: yeah!
[21:48] <seb128> hehe
[21:49] <pedro_> seb128: let me look into that right now
[21:49] <seb128> thanks
[21:49]  * pedro_ kicks his memory
[21:50] <rickspencer3> pitti - thanks
[21:53] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: was there a wiki page for documenting our experiences using EXAOptimizeMigration?
[21:53] <kenvandine_wk> or a bug?
[21:54] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: there is a bug, I think you can find it in the minutes, otherwise, I'll get it for you in a few
[21:54] <kenvandine_wk> oh...
[21:54] <kenvandine_wk> right
[21:54] <kenvandine_wk> i'll get it
[21:54] <kenvandine_wk> been stable here... faster than EXA without it... but not as fast as UXA
[21:55]  * kenvandine_wk comments then goes back to uxa
[21:55] <rickspencer3> interesting
[21:57] <kenvandine_wk> uxa is just smoking fast on this box
[21:57] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: good
[21:57] <kenvandine_wk> and exa without that option is dog slow...
[22:02] <seb128> pedro_: could be http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
[22:03] <seb128> pedro_: I just ran across it while searching for an another thumbnail issue
[22:03]  * pedro_ looking
[22:07] <pedro_> seb128: seems similar but on the test archive they're a couple of images with almost the same size (1103px-11px and 3072x11px)  the first one renders ok and the other doesn't
[22:07] <pedro_> seb128: maybe it's a library issue, eog is having the same behavior
[22:08] <seb128> right
[22:08] <pedro_> or an eog since IIRC it's the one responsible for doing such thumbnails isnt?
[22:08] <seb128> let's see if upstream figure something
[22:08] <pedro_> yep
[22:08] <seb128> I don't think so, I think it's gtk which is used to do those
[22:08] <seb128> or libgnomeui
[22:09] <pedro_> will ping claudio for the eog part in case he knows something about it
[22:09] <seb128> thanks
[22:09] <pedro_> np
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'm just going through some old gnome-session bugs. If I understand bug 47005 correctly, it's a non-issue now isn't it?
[23:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson: when using fusa you mean? right
[23:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson: and gnome-screensaver switch to gdm too, right can be closed now
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> this bug report is when using the session dialog, but i think all buttons do the same thing now - they just take you back to GDM
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll close that one
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[23:47] <seb128> you're welcome, thanks for triaging those ;-)


[07:06] <LocutusOfBorg> ppisati, hello, do you know the kernel patch for vbox is not in linux?
[07:06] <LocutusOfBorg> https://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/ticket/19644/local_patches
[07:06] <LocutusOfBorg><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:06] <LocutusOfBorg> without that patch, it won't migrate...
[07:21] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: let me check
[07:21] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: that's an old revision AFAIK
[07:22] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/groovy/log/?h=master-next
[07:23] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: the kernel patch was applied 7 days ago
[07:23] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: the we had was with virtualbox-guest-dkms, and nothing to do with the kernel patch
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> ppisati, the guest-dkms is fixed
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/v/virtualbox/groovy/amd64
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> but I did pull-lp-source linux, and that patch wasn't there...
[07:39] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, so the one in groovy-proposed is not fixed... nice, on the next linux upload virtualbox will be green then
[07:43] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: awesome!
[07:44] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: i thought you were on vacation
[07:45] <ppisati> LocutusOfBorg: you should go back to ombrellone
[08:02] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm back since yesterday :D
[16:51] <ItzSwirlz> o/


[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[11:38] <akgraner> hey vish!
[11:38] <akgraner> :-)
[11:38] <vish> hi..
[11:38] <akgraner> Can you make the orange part square?
[11:38] <akgraner> or rectangular
[11:38] <vish> sure , i could try variants..
[11:39] <akgraner> that would be awesome - that way I can add these ideas to #6 on the roadmap
[11:39] <akgraner> then the team can make a decision
[11:39] <akgraner> I'll up date the page sometime today
[11:46] <elky> vish, nice. I'd kind of recommend doing what troy did with our current logo and making the "women" font a serifed font.
[11:47] <elky> the sans font is way too similar to the ubuntu-whatever-it-is-called font.
[11:51] <elky> also, I think round top square bottom is going to be the best for the orange part :)
[11:52] <vish> elky: hehe , i was doing exactly that and akgraner mentioned no need.. so i stopped :D
[11:52] <akgraner> elky :-)
[11:52]  * vish trying now
[11:53] <elky> I think primarily she wanted other people's opinions before you went and did too much work, amirite?
[11:53] <akgraner> elky, yep
[11:53] <akgraner> sorry if if wasn't clear about that
[11:53] <AlanBell> is there a linkie?
[11:53]  * AlanBell is curious
 10:34:33> akgraner: oh , ok.. thanks .. anyways something i was playing around with ;) > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/uwomen.png   the "women" i didnt have the font yet
[11:54] <AlanBell> thanks
[11:54] <akgraner> elky, you have "quick draw" cut and paste skilz  :-)
[11:55] <elky> akgraner, triple click highlights a whole line, ctrl+c, switch window, ctrl+v
[11:55] <elky> your mac hardware might behave different, i dunno
[11:55] <akgraner> elky, I am coming to the conclusion I need to lose the mouse
[11:55]  * vish found out a neat triple-click trick!
[11:55] <elky> akgraner, if it's a mac mouse, then probably
[11:55] <akgraner> elky, back to my Dell now :-)
[11:56] <vish> elky: i always wondered why [sometimes] the lines got selected fully.. thanks
[11:56] <elky> akgraner, I don't know how you mac fans cope with only one mouse button
[11:56] <akgraner> I always change the mouse
[11:56] <akgraner> I don't think I have ever kept the mac mouse
[11:57] <elky> ctrl+v can also be swapped out for middle click if you have that, or both left and right mouse buttons simultaneously will simulate it on any laptop that's worth having
[11:57] <elky> akgraner, just remember I've been doing this irc thing for longer than you :P
[11:58] <akgraner> elky, yep I don't forget - it's one of those awesome skills of yours I rely on heavily ;-)
[11:58] <elky> hehe
[11:58] <akgraner> brb - my core temp is at 76C need to figure out what the heck is going on
[11:59]  * AlanBell hopes that is akgraner's laptop's core temp
[11:59] <akgraner> well not me , my Dell, I thought this was fixed
[11:59] <elky> sounds java.
[11:59] <elky> facebook can do it to firefox.
[12:00] <elky> and akgraner don't worry about not knowing everything. it took me a full week in chrome to figure how to stop a page loading.
[12:02] <vish> elky: akgraner: gtg , now... will talk to troy tonite and get back about this..
[12:03] <vish> was actually looking at the UDS blueprints and landed on that page..
[12:03] <elky> thanks
[12:03] <czajkowski>  /c
[12:05] <akgraner> vish thanks!
[12:06] <akgraner> hmm I'm thinking it's Chromium or Qwibber and my money is on gwibber that's making it run so hot
[12:08] <elky> I discovered my chromium instance yesterday with like 20 threads of 800mb ram use each. I only had like 5 tabs open. A restart fixed it
[12:08] <elky> (of the browser, not the system)
[12:42] <akgraner> oh wow it's still gwibber - I go from 42C to 63C in just a few seconds after I start gwibber back up  - and I love gwibber...:-(
[12:44] <elky> akgraner, eep
[12:44]  * elky puts this down as another reason to not upgrade
[12:44] <elky> (yet)
[12:44] <akgraner> elky, that was happening before as well
[12:45] <akgraner> not anything new with Lucid
[12:45] <elky> akgraner, it's currently not doing it with gwibber-daily
[12:45] <elky> not on my system anyway
[12:45] <akgraner> I think it has something to do with my Dell
[12:46] <akgraner> I know others are having the issue as well
[12:47] <akgraner> we got the Fan issue sorted out so now the fans will kick on  - tons of people were having that issue as well (not just me)..
[12:47] <elky> The problem I get with gwibber-daily, which I seriously hope isn't an issue on lucid, is that gwibber closing doesn't get rid of gwibber-service
[12:47] <akgraner> b/c in Karmic my computer would just reach 80C and shut down with no warning
[12:47] <elky> eww
[12:47] <akgraner> and that was a kernel and qwibber issue
[12:48] <elky> why the heck is gwibber messing with the kernel?
[12:48] <akgraner> two separate issues
[12:48] <akgraner> it just so happened I was running into them both at the same time in Karmic
[12:49] <maco> akgraner: ive been having where my fans wont kick /off/
[12:49] <maco> computer runs 60-70C all the time
[12:49] <akgraner> maco, that happened yesterday to me
[12:49] <maco> mine's been like this solidly since march
[12:49] <akgraner> but I updated and now they kick off
[12:50] <akgraner> maco, there is a new -proposed kernel but ask in -kernel if you should try it
[12:51] <maco> akgraner: meh no reason to ask. i always run whatever's in proposed :P
[12:51] <akgraner> I don't know enough about the technical details to recommend or not for anyone else
[12:51]  * maco updates
[12:52] <maco> meh. if it's screwed up, there's another laptop on the floor under my bed
[12:52] <akgraner> elky, you have to click"quit" just closing the window it still runs in the background
[12:52] <maco> on and ready to go :)
[12:53] <maco> hmm i guess ill install ubuntuone. then homework can sit in there... the little bit of homework that isnt kept in bzr
[12:53] <akgraner> elky, so yeah just closing doesn't get rid of qwibber-service unless you actually choose "quit"
[12:53] <elky> akgraner, it still running in the background should not stop it reopening.
[12:53] <akgraner> oh I had that problem
[12:53] <akgraner> you would close it and the account window pops back up?
[12:54] <akgraner> it that what is happening?
[12:54] <elky> no you close it, and you click the icon to start it back up and simply nothing happens
[12:54] <akgraner> oh it takes forever to start back up - well for ever in the sense it's not instant
[12:55] <elky> forever in the sense of hours?
[12:55] <akgraner> no like 15 -20 seconds
[12:55] <akgraner> hmm I haven't had that happen
[12:56] <elky> I don't close things by going in to a menu and choosing quit. or if i do, it's a right-click menu for an indicator area icon
[12:56] <akgraner> but for a while I would close it and it would try to reopen, and when it did I got 15 account windows, and I would close those then 3 mins later 7 account windows
[12:56] <elky> [x] is how I close things. Universally.
[12:56] <akgraner> ahh - I always go to the menu otherwise it doesn't seem to quit for me
[12:57] <akgraner> There was a social from the start session yesterday in Open Week - I don't remember all the questions, but the logs are up now
[12:58] <akgraner> There might be some information in there and there is a /Qwibber/FAQ page too
[12:59] <akgraner> I would ask kenvandine, but his mom passed away yesterday  :-(  jcastro might be able to point you in the right direction though
[13:00] <elky> I really don't have the time to chase it.
[13:01] <akgraner> I'll ask about it - :-)  I love qwibber so I'll see what I can find out
[13:08] <maco> qwibber?
[13:16] <nigelbabu> maco: gwibber perhaps ;)
[14:22] <Pendulum> dinda: hey, can I PM you about something?
[14:22] <dinda> Pendulum: sure
[16:52] <Pendulum> akgraner: are you around for a quick question?
[16:52] <akgraner> yep
[16:52] <akgraner> I'm here


[14:09] <cyphermox> howdy
[14:09] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: who is release team for Lubuntu?
 Us :)
[14:17] <cyphermox> I really mean *release* team, or release manager. Usually it was gilir, which I guess is why he was marked as a reviewer for your slideshow MP
 You can head to @tsimonq2
 gilir is the boss, the coordinator of the entire distro. That's why I marked him as a reviewer
 @cyphermox, I'm the "Release Manager" but gilir is the development team lead and wxl is the QA head. All of us wear Release Team hats
 (this is a bridge to Telegram, fwiw)
 With my Release Manager hat I sign off but gilir is a bit busy
[14:37] <cyphermox> ok, can you set that MP to approved then?
 Oh wait, ara you the owner of the original branch?
 @cyphermox, Sure, when I get the chance
[15:23] <cyphermox> VikingRedwolf: I'm in the team, via ~ubuntu-core-dev
 a
[15:24] <cyphermox> I do need to review a few other MPs today and merge stuff since we're past the translation deadline
 indeed
 I'm asking for this revision and  I'm afraid we're UI freeze for a while
 I'm the artwork guy
 I can change the reviewer to be @tsimonq2  if you need
[16:12] <redwolf> cyphermox, I changed gilir for me, because I can't remove reviewers, but added tsimonq2
 @cyphermox, I'm not a Core Developer (yet),  what would it take to be added to the team so I can merge things in the future? Gilir is a member...
[18:03] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> Hello guys.
[18:03] <lubot10> I'm testing Lubuntu-Next on Virtual Box.
[18:03] <lubot10> 1) Installation was easy and no problems.
[18:04] <lubot10> 2) Lubuntu Next starts with 250 Mb of memory.
[18:04] <lubot10> 3) I installed some programs and also Theme and Numix icons.
[18:04] <lubot10> I'm really enjoying it
[18:06] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> (Photo, 800x600) https://i.imgur.com/6PRPCDr.jpg
[18:06] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> (Photo, 800x600) https://i.imgur.com/hOFz25Y.jpg
[18:06] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> Desktop Lubuntu Next + Numix
 Glad to hear :D
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[18:18] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> Hello Simon,
[18:18] <lubot10> Lubuntu Next is great, running fine, with no bugs.
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[14:02] <powersj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1736174
[14:02] <powersj> someone should respond to that one
[16:04] <blackboxsw> alrighty, got my ducks in a row....
[16:05] <blackboxsw> #startmeeting Cloud-init bi-weekly status meeting
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 14 16:05:28 2018 UTC.  The chair is blackboxsw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:08] <blackboxsw> welcome folks to another cloud-init status meeting. This forum is used to communicate the recent changes,  current development efforts and host open office hours to help get quick discussion on bugs,  branches or features of interest to anyone developing (or consuming) cloud-init.
[16:09] <blackboxsw> We'll go through a couple of topics as usual (Recent changes, In-progress Development, Office Hours), if there are any additional topics needed just let me know.
[16:09] <blackboxsw> #topic Recent Changes
[16:10] <blackboxsw> We track our upstream work publicly on trello. Feel free to participate or ask questions about any feature work that is seen up there if there are concerns.
[16:11] <blackboxsw> #link https://trello.com/b/hFtWKUn3/daily-cloud-init-curtin
[16:11] <blackboxsw> We have landed the following work items: beware the paste :)
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * Completed release of 18.2 to Ubuntu Bionic, Artful, and Xenial
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * Implement bash completion script for cloud-init command line
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * Improved Softlayer datasource documentation
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * net: Depend on iproute2's ip instead of net-tools ifconfig or route
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * Accept-ra unset by default (LP: #1732002)
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * Command collect-logs will only include most recent boot's journal (LP: #1766335)
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * FreeBSD: Invoke growfs on ufs filesystems such that it does not prompt. (LP: #1404745)
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * Azure: poll_imds fixes to only report 'ready' state once during pre-provisioning from Joshua Chan (LP: #1765214)
[16:11] <blackboxsw> * DataSourceSmartOS: fix hang when metadata service is down from Mike Gerdts (LP: #1667735)
[16:12] <blackboxsw> * DataSourceSmartOS: change default fs on ephemeral disk from ext3 to ext4 from Mike Gerdts (LP: #1763511)
[16:12] <blackboxsw> * pycodestyle: Fix invalid escape sequences in string literals
[16:14] <blackboxsw> A big thank you to community involvement again. Thanks jocha(Microsoft) and mgerdts(Joyent) for the recent branch work supporting Azure and SmartOS clouds respectively
[16:16] <blackboxsw> We also went through another round of StableReleaseUpdates for Ubuntu on Xenial and Artful to pull in IBMCloud platform fixes. putting Xenial and artful at 18.2-4-g05926e48-0ubuntu~16.04.2 | ~17.10.2
[16:18] <blackboxsw> I think that's about it for completed development...
[16:19] <blackboxsw> #topic In-progress Development
[16:21] <blackboxsw> There are a couple of items being worked actively at the moment:
[16:22] <blackboxsw> * SRU of cloud-init tip into bionic (should land today or tomorrow) 	18.2-27-g6ef92c98-0ubuntu1~18.04.1
[16:23] <blackboxsw> * SmartOs datasource detection improvements
[16:23] <blackboxsw> * Moving OpenStack datasource to get detected earlier at 'local' stange instead of 'network' stage using ephemeral dhcp client
[16:26] <blackboxsw> * read_file_or_url fixes returing text content in all cases
[16:26] <blackboxsw> * various upstream bug fixes
[16:27] <blackboxsw> * powersj: is also investigating a move to a centralized library for our cloud testing.
[16:29] <robjo> blackboxsw: w.r.t. Depend on iproute2's ip instead of net-tools ifconfig or route was this a merge of iproute2tools branch? I don't recall seeing a merge notification but am way behind in e-mail
[16:29] <blackboxsw> think that about captures what upstream is working on. I think we can transition to office hours for ~30 mins for anyone to bring up ideas of interest
[16:29] <blackboxsw> #topic Office Hours (next ~30 mins)
[16:29] <blackboxsw> hi robjo, checking status there
[16:30] <blackboxsw> I know we landed one branch on that topic
[16:31] <blackboxsw> robjo: so we had a couple branches to packaging dependencies in ubuntu to call out iproute2 specifically as a hard package dependency.
[16:32] <blackboxsw> robjo: and the code changes (which took in some of your branch content  and review comments) landed in rev 6d48d265a0548a2dc23e587f2a335d4e38e8db90
[16:32] <robjo> OK, so I can delete my branch
[16:32] <blackboxsw> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/266CyDt9gD/
[16:34] <robjo> thanks, so we'll get that in 18.3?
[16:34] <blackboxsw> robjo: yes I think i marked you co-author on that branch and pulled in all your changes to cloudinit/config/cc_disable_ec2_metadata.py
[16:34] <blackboxsw> 2
[16:34] <blackboxsw> thanks again for that, sorry for the back and forth as I hadn't seen your original branch.
[16:35] <blackboxsw> robjo: definitely in 18.3
[16:35] <blackboxsw> it landed a week or two after the 18.2 cut.
[16:35] <stanguturi> @blackboxsw, Can someone please provide inputs for the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1766538 One of our team members has uploaded the necessary log files to the bug.
[16:38] <robjo> OK, so lets also revisit some of the other stuff I have floating about as I just did the 18.2 package for openSUSE and SLES and noticed that I am once again scarring a lot of patches :(
[16:39] <robjo> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/emptyStageOK should be back in your court, did you get notification?
[16:40] <robjo> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/noLnxDistro pending since January this may have some merge conflicts now as I had to fiddle quite a bit with the patch in my package
[16:41] <blackboxsw> stanguturi: looking
[16:41] <robjo> I think rharper is working on a different approach to https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/chrony when can we expect that?
[16:42] <robjo> and does rharper account for the fact that ntp has a different service name on different distributions?
[16:43] <blackboxsw> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1766538
[16:43] <blackboxsw> #link https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/emptyStageOK
[16:43] <blackboxsw> ahh robjo hadn't, was on vacation Friday, will grab that/close out today
[16:43] <blackboxsw> #link https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/noLnxDistro
[16:44] <rharper> robjo: re: ntp/chrony, that's landed, including service names for different distros; I pulled unittests and scenarios from your branch; please look over master and see if we're missing anything from your branch w.r.t use-case/scenario
[16:45] <robjo> rharper: OK, if it's landed I can at least throw my branch away, and yes, will take a look at master, I take it this will be another in 18.3 item?
[16:46] <blackboxsw> stanguturi: ok thanks for the logs on that bug, looks like network config parsing is falling over and OVF datasource isn't being detected https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qVJxDJWZRV/
[16:47] <stanguturi> @blackboxsw, Oh . Thanks. Will check with him about the test setup and update the bug. Thanks.
[16:48] <blackboxsw> updated the bug with a comment there
[16:48] <blackboxsw> thanks stanguturi
[16:50] <blackboxsw> robjo: correct as well for ntp/chrony, we held off landing it in 18.2 because of risk
[16:50] <blackboxsw> it was one of the first branches landed after the cut
[16:51] <robjo> ok, leaves the https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/noLnxDistro implementation of distro detection as things I'd like to get resolved, others to be addressed maybe in 2 weeks ;)
[16:51] <blackboxsw> ok noLnxDistro....  I'm updating the commit comment robjo to the trailing LP: #<bug_id>
[16:51] <blackboxsw> claiming a review slot on that now
[16:53] <blackboxsw> good unit test coverage, thanks for that
[16:54] <robjo> np
[16:55] <blackboxsw> ok this can be reviewed today, not sure if why we don't already have a get_linux_distro utility somewhere, but I'll poke around today for context
[16:55] <blackboxsw> ahh ahh, thanks for the bug robjo ok
[16:56] <robjo> the context is that the Python implementation is going away and has been deprecated
[16:56] <blackboxsw> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1745235
[16:56] <blackboxsw> thanks again
[16:56] <blackboxsw> changing that status and will help you get that landed
[16:56] <blackboxsw> good one
[16:58] <robjo> OK, blackboxsw is on the hook for two things this week ;) distro detection and the empty modules list
[16:58] <blackboxsw> #action blackboxsw review distro dection and empty modules list
[16:58] <meetingology> ACTION: blackboxsw review distro dection and empty modules list
[16:58]  * robjo on the hook to look at chrony support in master and report back to rharper
[16:58] <blackboxsw> #action robjo review existing chrony support in master per rharper's work
[16:58] <meetingology> ACTION: robjo review existing chrony support in master per rharper's work
[16:59] <blackboxsw> official now :)
[16:59] <blackboxsw> now if I only reviewed previous meeting's action items.... checking now
[17:00] <blackboxsw> 16:51 <blackboxsw> #action blackboxsw to have discussions w/ team on datasource maintaining network on each reboot per  https://code.launchpad.net/~mgerdts/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/343712
[17:01] <blackboxsw> ok per last meeting, we have held a couple of discussions on hotplug vs. maintaining network only on reboot. on first blush it looks like we'd need to have these mutually exclusive, but we are just started to iron our what we want to do for our initial hotplug support in cloud-init and have to have a followup discussion about how to support both approaches
[17:02] <blackboxsw> #action blackboxsw carryover network hotplug vs network maintenance on reboot-only
[17:02] <meetingology> ACTION: blackboxsw carryover network hotplug vs network maintenance on reboot-only
[17:02] <blackboxsw> well that was the only action item from last meeting looks like
[17:02] <blackboxsw> ok I think that wraps up today's meeting.
[17:02] <blackboxsw> any other parting shots folks?
[17:03] <blackboxsw> Thanks again for your time. It's always a pleasure.
[17:03] <blackboxsw> Next meeting two weeks, same bat time...
[17:03] <blackboxsw> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May 14 17:03:58 2018 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/cloud-init/2018/cloud-init.2018-05-14-16.05.moin.txt
[17:04]  * blackboxsw heads to publish those notes now to cloud-init.github.io
[17:29] <larsks> smoser: ci asplode, and I'm pretty sure it's not related to my patch: https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/1115/console
[17:42] <powersj> larsks: I'm getting those failures when running your branch locally as well, but master is fine
[17:42] <larsks> That's very strange.
[17:42] <larsks> The only change was a move to the add_patch method that smoser suggested.
[17:42] <larsks> I guess I will take a closer look this evening. Thanks for checking.
[18:06] <larsks> Meh, fixed it. Made bad assumptions about add_patch.
[19:00] <robjo> rharper: looks as everything for the chrony support/ ntp naming is there, the comment I have is that this implementation is inconsistent with other concepts used
[19:01] <robjo> so far we had distro specific settings in the distro class implementation, now with ntp with part of the implementation in the cc_ntp module and other parts in the distro
[19:02] <robjo> I think in the long run this will be confusing and I think it is worth it to have a task to eventually move the distro specific bits into the distro implementation
[19:09] <smoser> powersj: did you run something here manually ?
[19:09] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334992
[19:10] <powersj> smoser: nope it would say started by me
[19:10] <smoser> hm..
[19:11] <smoser> so why did that run ?
[19:11] <smoser> and https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/335406 also
[19:11] <powersj> those could have been someone pressing the "rerun" link, which isn't something I have a lot of experience with
[19:14] <blackboxsw> powersj: even the rerun attributes to a person I though
[19:14] <blackboxsw> t
[19:14] <blackboxsw> smoser: can I land https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/343738
[19:14] <powersj> hmm I think so since you'd have to be logged in
[19:22] <smoser> blackboxsw: i think so...
[19:22] <smoser> convince yourself that we're effectively doing the same check on METADATA_SOCKFILE in DataSourceSmartOS
[19:23] <smoser> i am pretty sure that as it is right now for a lxd container inside a LX_BRAND we would have the 'self.md_client.exists()' call return False and take the "No metadata device '%r' ..."
[19:24] <smoser> (line 230)
[19:24] <smoser> right?
[19:49] <blackboxsw> smoser: ok see your followup message on the branch. for some reason I'm not highlighting in IRC today. sorry reply posted to your branch. I think minimally I'd like to see the socket file check in DataSourceSmartOS if we could.
[20:25] <smoser> blackboxsw: i'm pretty sure we are checking that
[20:33] <rharper> robjo: smoser and I went back and forth on this many times;  it's a struggle between having all of the ntp knowledge within the module itself, asking only distro for paths/defaults vs pushing a portion, but not all of the ntp handler into the distro class;
[21:02] <paulmey> @rharper /@smoser , can I get another review of https://code.launchpad.net/~paul-meyer/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/344538 ? Thanks!
[21:50] <thomasking> Is there an issue with growpart and resizefs on Ubuntu 18.04? Both show disabled even though configs for each are enabled/auto.
[21:58] <thomasking> added bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-initramfs-tools/+bug/1771221
[22:38] <blackboxsw> responded on bug, looking for a bit more data.


[00:44] <vadi3> Hi. Is Firefox on Ubuntu KK 32bit affected by the Flash click bug, and if it is, has the workaround been applied for it?
[01:04] <fta> dtchen, did you say that sdl has been fixed upstream?
[03:25] <dtchen> fta: yes. It has.
[07:10] <markey> heya
[07:11] <markey> are Chromium Daylies borked again?
[07:11] <markey> no updates since a few days
[16:08] <fta> markey, just 2 days, but that's expected with dailies, don't worry, it will be back soon
[18:09] <dtchen> fta: I'm working on libsdl now; hopefully I'll have a merge for you by end of weekend
[18:10] <fta> dtchen, excellent!
[20:03] <dtchen> hum.
[20:04] <dtchen> there's a pretty serious alsa-plugins regression, too, but I'm having no luck chasing it
[20:04]  * dtchen test-builds libsdl1.2_1.2.13-5ubuntu1
[20:05] <dtchen> fta: do you know of a good, small sdl test case for this anomaly?
[20:06] <dtchen> try to keep in mind that I'm on a 56kbps dialup connection, so pulling hundreds of megs for game data is really a no-go
[20:06] <fta> small no, openarena is huge
[20:06] <fta> let me check if it have a smaller sdl app
[20:12] <dtchen> oh geez, now I have both openal and fmod to worry about, too?!
[20:16] <dtchen> fta: ok, it built, but again I have no test case
[20:17] <fta> dtchen, try neverball
[20:18] <dtchen> ok, uploaded to ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[20:19] <dtchen> it's targeted for karmic, though the merge is for lucid
[20:19] <dtchen> I'm waiting for cjwatson to appear online (probably next week) so I can get his blessing to get the merge sponsored
[20:20] <dtchen> err, neverball is 40 MB
[20:20] <dtchen> that is *painful* over dialup
[20:21] <dtchen> I'm just going to have to ask you to test with both the alsa and pulseaudio outputs
[20:23] <fta> Size: 146520
[20:23] <fta> so it's probably its deps
[20:24] <fta> but i will test for sure, i couldn't be worse
[20:24] <fta> it
[20:25] <dtchen> you'll probably need all the relevant packages from that PPA
[20:26] <dtchen> i.e., PA, alsa-lib, libsdl1.2
[20:26] <dtchen> you may find it faster to just dget the source package from the PPA and build it yourself
[20:27] <fta> i'm still running karmic
[20:31] <dtchen> yes, that's why I tested and uploaded for karmic
[21:54] <fta> The following packages will be upgraded:
[21:54] <fta>   libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[22:06] <fta> dtchen, no change at all
[22:06] <fta> dtchen, load of 4+, no sound at all
[22:10] <fta> neverball lost sound completely, it was crackling before the upgrade
[22:10] <fta> (i've upgraded both p-a and sdl btw)
[22:11] <fta> neverballs shows "ALSA lib pcm.c:7234:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured" in the console
[22:16] <dtchen> fta: ok, I have one more culprit. This symptom started with 9.04, correct?
[22:17] <dtchen> fta: oh, did you update libasound2*, too?
[22:17] <fta> dtchen, hm, yes. iirc, we discussed that at the last uds
[22:18] <fta> ii  libasound2      1.0.20-3ubuntu6.1~~ubuntuaudiodev1       shared library for ALSA applications
[22:18] <fta> ii  libasound2-plugins      1.0.20-1ubuntu8  ALSA library additional plugins
[22:18] <dtchen> ah, excellent
[22:18]  * dtchen reverts the PA_STREAM_EARLY_REQUESTS addition
[22:21] <dtchen> bah, not that.
[22:22] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/324855/
[22:23] <dtchen> right
[22:23] <dtchen> well, there're a ton of rewind requests
[22:24] <dtchen> and that makes no sense whatsoever
[22:24] <dtchen> also, that behavior is with alsa, correct?
[22:24] <fta> hmm, sdl or opengl is messing with vdpau, too bad
[22:24] <dtchen> meaning the alsa backend for libsdl
[22:24] <dtchen> or with both alsa and pulse backends for libsdl?
[22:25] <fta> if you mean that's with libsdl1.2debian-alsa, yes
[22:25] <dtchen> right, and with libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio ?
[22:26] <fta> reinstalling..
[22:28] <fta> perfect for neverball, trying openarena
[22:29] <fta> dtchen, ^^, nope, still no sound, and i have to kill it to return to the desktop
[22:29] <dtchen> ugh.
[23:36] <fta> micahg, hi, got the emails this time? (lots of them?)
[23:36] <micahg> yes :)
[23:40] <micahg> I see 3.7 and 3.6 failed
[23:43] <fta> good, so the forward worked


[03:23] <cxmatias> wow
[03:23] <cxmatias> i have like 2 years been out of irc chat
[03:26] <cxmatias> hoo it is not ne chanel i suppost to be, bye..going to #ubuntu to see what is going on there
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning