[05:31] <chiluk> smspillaz, I'm looking at http://pad.lv/879237 , Specifically I'm trying to debug why the mouse is offset when citrix is fullscreen
[05:32] <chiluk> what I'd like to do is prove whether Unity is passing the wrong pointer location to the app or if it's the app interpreting it wrong.
[05:33] <chiluk> I'm looking for a tool like xmon.
[05:33] <chiluk> but apparently that doesn't exist any more.
[05:33] <chiluk> Does anyone know of a replacement for xmon?
[08:34] <jibel> didrocks, hey
[08:34] <didrocks> hey jibel!
[08:34] <jibel> I think I found what's going wrong with utah and autopilot
[08:35] <didrocks> really? \o/
[08:35] <jibel> there is a sed command that modifies the preseed and creates a broken rc.local
[08:35] <jibel> packages are installed from this rc.local
[08:35] <didrocks> this is the sed command we talked about yesterday?
[08:36] <jibel> which means that when you run the indicator stack packages are not installed correctly
[08:36] <jibel> didrocks, yup, that thing http://paste.ubuntu.com/1623672/
[08:36] <didrocks> jibel: argh, indeed, this is not good :/
[08:36] <jibel> (I replaced /etc/rc.local by /tmp/test.local for testing)
[08:36] <didrocks> any idea why it's passing on other arch than intel?
[08:37] <jibel> didrocks, no idea
[08:38] <didrocks> jibel: nice catch anyway! :-)
[08:38] <didrocks> jibel: let's try it once the current unity tests are done
[08:39] <jibel> actually I was so pissed that I had to look closer :)
[08:41] <didrocks> jibel: ahah, I know now that it's good to pissing you! :)
[08:41] <didrocks> jibel: I'll keep you posted once the machines are free
[08:49] <didrocks> jibel: so… the tests machines are free!
[08:49] <didrocks> jibel: you can relaunch the indicator tests with whole ppa when you need it :)
[08:50] <didrocks> (you need the whole ppa for the new window-mocker and autopilot)
[08:50] <jibel> didrocks, we need a fix in UTAH first
[08:50] <didrocks> ok, should I join the qa channel?
[08:50] <didrocks> and pay beers/praying? ;)
[08:51] <jibel> didrocks, why did you leave it in the first place ;)
[08:51] <didrocks> ahah
[08:52] <jibel> didrocks, but you can ask gema to boost the priority of this bug because AP jobs are guaranteed to fail or not testing the right thing if whole_ppa is disabled.
[09:21] <smspillaz> chiluk_away: unity doesn't "pass" the pointer location to applications
[09:46] <mmrazik> didrocks: FYI -- fginther implemented the buildless merge for changelog only MPs. It is enabled.
[09:46] <didrocks> mmrazik: excellent! on all projects?
[09:46] <mmrazik> didrocks: yes
[09:52] <didrocks> mmrazik: thanks for the notice!
[10:10] <luv> Trevinho: yom did you read my comments from yesterday regarding the tests? I brought my raring laptop to work today so we can walk over it if you have few minutes. Thanks
[10:55] <luv> ... or if anyone else can help here i wouldn't mind either :-)
[11:02] <mmrazik> didrocks: do you know who knows/maintains ccache? I would like to know if ccache supports compiling with coverage flags
[11:03] <mmrazik> from what I can see I would say it just does nothing but I wouldn't mind if somebody who knows ccache better confirms
[11:03] <mmrazik> or if there is some workaround
[11:05] <didrocks> mmrazik: we are in sync with debian. Joel Rosdahl is the debian maintainer
[11:05] <mmrazik> didrocks: thx
[11:05] <didrocks> mmrazik<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <satoris> If you run 'ccache -s' before and after compiling your source (for the second time) the stats will tell you if object files were reused.
[11:05] <mmrazik> didrocks: it looks like this fact is affecting our jenkins performance more than anything else
[11:06] <mmrazik> satoris: cool.. Will try that to confirm
[11:06] <didrocks> good hint :)
[11:06] <mmrazik> compiz build time is 4x bigger when compiling with coverage (after the ccache was initialized by the first build)
[11:06] <satoris> Cache hit (direct) should increase.
[11:55] <mmrazik> satoris: thanks for the hint. Indeed the only number that gets higher with coverage is "unsupported compiler option"
[12:46] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, how are you? :)
[12:48] <sil2100> didrocks: hello! Just got back from the city, staying and working at my family's home - equipment set up and ready for action
[12:48] <sil2100> didrocks: how about you?
[12:48] <sil2100> didrocks: I'm testing andyrock's fix for the quicklists now (building the packages)
[12:49] <didrocks> sil2100: I'm great, jumping between a lot of different topics and start of being tired to ensure I'll enjoy the week-end :-)
[12:49] <didrocks> sil2100: oh before that, you want action!
[12:49] <didrocks> so action :-)
[12:49] <didrocks> sil2100: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-indicators-autopilot-release-testing/label=autopilot-intel/112/ has 2 failures
[12:49] <sil2100> ;) What's up?
[12:49] <didrocks> making the landing failing
[12:49] <didrocks> do you think there is a quick fix?
[12:49] <sil2100> Ok, let's see which ones are failing
[12:49] <didrocks> only intel
[12:49] <sil2100> oh
[12:50] <didrocks> nvidia passed
[12:50] <didrocks> ati has just one
[12:50] <didrocks> (and a different one of course)
[12:51] <sil2100> Interesting, looking at the videos now
[12:51] <didrocks> sil2100: stop watching TV! :-)
[12:51]  * didrocks runs…
[12:51] <sil2100> :|
[12:51] <sil2100> ;)
[12:51] <didrocks> seems the TV shows are not entertaining though :p
[12:52]  * sil2100 likes watching autopilot click and type in Unity
[12:52] <didrocks> ahah, I knew it! :)
[12:53] <Trevinho> luv: ok, here?
[12:54] <sil2100> Checking the emulator code, since it seems like some strange timing problems, i.e. unity not reacting fast enough and input events getting lost, but this shouldn't happen normally - maybe some additional checks in the HUD could help
[13:06] <luv> Trevinho: yup :-) im back now
[13:08] <luv> so the two problems with writing the unit tests are - can't use GetMenus() on mock_icon (b/c it's protected) and mock->app has no windows_ attribute
[13:09] <Trevinho> luv: I'm giving a look to your branch with hands on, give me few minutes
[13:30] <sil2100> Ho, interesting
[13:53] <Trevinho> luv, so... feature side we're ok...
[13:53] <Trevinho> luv: I've cleaned it up a little and added a test here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1624683/
[13:56] <Trevinho> luv: so, just do a bzr merge lp:~3v1n0/unity/quicklist-windows-improvements on your branch
[13:56] <Trevinho> and push it again on yours
[13:56] <luv> looks great, thanks a million :-)
[13:57] <Trevinho> luv: we'd have to improve a little one more thing though... :/
[13:58] <Trevinho> luv: that's easy to do... but right now if a window has _ in the title, then it gets drawn as an underscore (i.e. just  mkae a new folder /tmp/foo_bar and cd on it in a terminal...). you'll notice the problem
[13:59] <luv> alright
[14:01] <luv> oh i see, can we just set a property on dbusmenuitem not to interpret "_"?
[14:03] <Trevinho> luv: we can once we implement it :)
[14:03] <Trevinho> luv: it's quite easy...
[14:03] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, found one reason for the test failures
[14:03] <sil2100> didrocks: those don't happen every time, since it's a time-related issue - will be trying to fix that with a merge request in a moment
[14:04] <Trevinho> luv: it's basically like doing https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/quicklist-max-label-width/+merge/145862
[14:04] <Trevinho> luv: where in case that the new property is enabled, you've to skip the pango_layout_set_markup_with_accel(layout, _text.c_str(), -1, '_', nullptr); into QuickListMenuItem::DrawText
[14:05] <luv> how can one do "git checkout file" in bzr?
[14:05] <luv> forget local uncommited changes
[14:05] <Trevinho> bzr revert
[14:05] <sil2100> didrocks: the problem is that when changing the keybinding for HUD in the alternative keybinding tests, when the keybindings are 'restored' back to normal, the restore compiz_option method called then on cleanup doesn't wait a short while for compiz to notice and apply the change properly
[14:06] <Trevinho> just do bzr revert; bzr  merge lp:~3v1n0/unity/quicklist-windows-improvements; bzr commit -m "Mergint with  lp:~3v1n0/unity/quicklist-windows-improvements branch"
[14:06] <Trevinho> luv: ^
[14:06] <sil2100> didrocks: so, sometimes when everything is executed fast enought, Alt is being pressed while compiz still waits for Ctrl+Alt+h as the HUD keybinding, even though it had been changed back to Alt during the last test
[14:06] <sil2100> ;)
[14:06]  * sil2100 fixes that
[14:07] <luv> yeah i get it now, i have to run commit manually too
[14:07] <Trevinho> luv: yep
[14:08] <Trevinho> luv: want to do that final menu thing?
[14:10] <luv> well, honestly, im not sure if i have time until wednesday. but if it's really as small a change as it looks I should be fine.
[14:10] <Trevinho> luv: as i said you ony need to follow what done in the branch I linked before, you only have to add a property like MARKUP_ACCEL_ENABLED_PROPERTY
[14:11] <sil2100> didrocks: the problem is that the fix will have to go to lp:autopilot sadly :<
[14:12] <luv> ok, what is confusing me is that it defines a class QuicklistMenuItem but we use DbusMenuitem
[14:12] <Trevinho> luv: well dbusmenu is rendered by a quicklistmenuitem
[14:12] <luv> yeah i still would be setting the property on dbusmenuitem though, right?
[14:13] <Trevinho> luv: yep, however don't worry I'm doing that too...
[14:14] <luv> yeah, it's better that way.
[14:19] <didrocks> sil2100: don't worry, we can rebuild autopilot if needed
[14:19] <didrocks> sil2100: nice hunt!
[14:24] <seb128> Trevinho, you made friends by removing the systray whitelist it seems ;-)
[14:25] <Trevinho> seb128: that was not me, but andy.. :) Anyway we just what what has been decided in bugs ;)
[14:25] <Trevinho> s/what/did/
[14:25] <seb128> Trevinho, you are the one that +1ed it :p
[14:25] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, well :)
[14:26] <seb128> Trevinho, btw congrats on becoming a libwnck maintainer
[14:26] <Trevinho> seb128: well, no one was taking care of it anymore and we still need it
[14:26] <Trevinho> seb128: I missed the gnome git push bit, really :)
[14:26] <seb128> Trevinho, the git looks weird
[14:28] <seb128> Trevinho, ignore that, I got confused by the lack of 3.6 releases, the tags were 3.4 in there
[14:28] <seb128> Trevinho, do you plan to roll a tarball or should I have a look at backporting your patches?
[14:28] <Trevinho> seb128: how you prefer... I'm still newbie as gnome maintainer :)
[14:29] <seb128> Trevinho, tarball makes things easier if there is a stack of patches (which seems to be the case there)
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: well yep... should I announce something or can I just tag the revision, make a tarball and push it in the archives?
[14:30] <seb128> Trevinho, https://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner/Releasing
[14:31] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I didn't read all the details since I was not planning to release soon, but at this point it's a good read
[14:31] <seb128> Trevinho, in practice not everyone bother sending an announce for releases so your call if you want to do it or not
[14:34] <Trevinho> seb128: aok
[14:35] <Trevinho> luv: yuu can merge again... now looks fine now and we can push approve the branch to merge it in trunk
[14:53] <sil2100> fginther: hello!
[14:53] <fginther> sil2100,  hi
[14:54] <sil2100> fginther: could you review a quick change for autopilot I proposed? I think it might help in fixing some random failures, 2 of which we encountered during the latest run of the indicator tests
[14:54] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/autopilot/set_compiz_option_cleanup_fix/+merge/147379
[14:54] <fginther> sil2100, yes
[14:54] <sil2100> fginther: thank you!
[14:57] <didrocks> cyphermox: hey, how are you?
[15:01] <luv> Trevinho: here we go :-)
[15:01] <Trevinho> luv: I've found another small issue, pushing in few minutes
[15:04] <Trevinho> luv: ok, you can pull/merge again
[15:05] <cyphermox> didrocks: pretty good you?
[15:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: I'm great, thanks!
[15:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: I was wondering if there was any reason that you didn't publish the misc stack yet (which is in manual publishing mode), do you need any help?
[15:06] <didrocks> also, I think mterry (hey!) can publish the unity stack without the indicator one again, can you confirm?
[15:07] <mterry> didrocks, hiyo
[15:07] <mterry> didrocks, indicator tests are actually failing though
[15:08] <didrocks> mterry: right, but the unity stack is fine, for the indicator tests failing, sil2100 has an incoming fix for autopilot
[15:08] <mterry> didrocks, do our thresholds mean nothing, sir!?
[15:08] <didrocks> (https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/autopilot/set_compiz_option_cleanup_fix/+merge/147379)
[15:08] <didrocks> mterry: it's a timing issue :)
[15:08] <mterry> didrocks, sure, OK.  I can manual
[15:08] <didrocks> mterry: so once the misc stack and unity are published, we can have the misc stack rebuilding autopilot
[15:09] <cyphermox> didrocks: no, I just didn't get to it yet
[15:09] <didrocks> the indicator stack using this autopilot retested
[15:09] <sil2100> didrocks: waiting for merge approval right now ;)
[15:09] <didrocks> and then retired in island :)
[15:09] <cyphermox> didrocks: cu2d-run -P misc, right?
[15:09] <didrocks> cyphermox: right, if the packaging changes putting misc in manual mode suits you :)
[15:09] <didrocks> (see the artefacts)
[15:10] <cyphermox> right
[15:11] <luv> sure, done
[15:12] <cyphermox> didrocks: we'll need to deal with autopilot-gtk for jibel, too
[15:12] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, let's do that now?
[15:12] <didrocks> (well, after the publishing)
[15:13] <didrocks> cyphermox: as we need to relaunch for the autopilot awesome fix that sil2100 did (and I hope is going to be merged soon)
[15:13] <didrocks> fginther: if you have no time to review, I can do it btw (we are a little bit blocking on that fix)
[15:14] <cyphermox> didrocks: you mean the set_compiz_option_cleanup_fix?
[15:14] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, so what we are doing is:
[15:14] <didrocks> 1. manually publishing the misc task
[15:15] <didrocks> 2. mterry is manually publishing the unity stack
[15:15] <didrocks> 3. once this autopilot fix is merged and we bootstrapped autopilot-gtk, rebuild the misc stack and publish
[15:15] <didrocks> 4. relaunch the indicator tests with the new autopilot, tests should pass
[15:15] <cyphermox> ok
[15:15] <didrocks> 5. profit :)
[15:15] <Trevinho> luv: thanks... so we can now approve it I think
[15:15] <cyphermox> well I already triggered the publish for misc
[15:16] <didrocks> sweet!
[15:16] <didrocks> cyphermox: let's add autopilot-gtk, was there anything missing?
[15:16] <mterry> yeah, both unity and misc are published
[15:16] <didrocks> I remember the dep on libindicate-dev was removed
[15:16] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox, mterry for the publishing :)
[15:16] <cyphermox> sil2100's branch is approved too, so it should get merged soon
[15:16] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:16] <cyphermox> didrocks: I'm just going to run it through sbuild to be sure
[15:16] <didrocks> cyphermox: cool!
[15:16] <fginther> sil2100, reviewed
[15:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: tell me how it went
[15:17] <didrocks> then we can add it
[15:17] <fginther> sil2100, if you need a fix right now, I can approve as is.
[15:17] <didrocks> fginther: it is approved already by cyphermox :)
[15:17] <didrocks> but great to have this double checking
[15:17] <didrocks> fginther: can you run the merge now? I would hope we don't publish the indicator stack too late on a Friday evening :)
[15:18] <didrocks> I trust our tests, but still… ;)
[15:18] <fginther> didrocks, sure
[15:18] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[15:25] <sil2100> fginther: thanks!
[15:25] <fginther> sil2100, yw
[15:25] <sil2100> fginther: I commented on the issue btw.
[15:26] <Trevinho> luv: it's in merge queue now, prepare for some omgubuntu love! :)
[15:26] <sil2100> fginther: could you check the merge proposal? Since I elaborated a bit on that topic
[15:26] <luv> Trevinho: haha, thanks man! :-)
[15:26] <sil2100> fginther: I think we indeed need to find a final good solution and get rid of those waits in overall
[15:26] <sil2100> fginther: but I think we'll have to dig a bit into compiz code
[15:26] <didrocks> sil2100: can we add a get of the changed value?
[15:27] <didrocks> and loop until we have the right value
[15:27] <fginther> ah cool, reading now
[15:27] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, that was the idea, but then me and thomi actually thought that a changed value in the gsettings configuration does not give us (probably) guarantee that the setting got applied to the unity shell completely already
[15:28] <didrocks> indeed
[15:28] <didrocks> valid point
[15:28] <sil2100> didrocks: but we might dig into it and see if we can get such certainity from compiz
[15:28] <sil2100> Or maybe even add such a thing
[15:28] <didrocks> ok ;) I'm afraid we don't have that introspection though
[15:29] <sil2100> I tested and anyway compiz takes around 0.3 seconds on my bloated system to apply the configuration change properly
[15:29] <cyphermox> okay, looking good!
[15:29] <Trevinho> luv: yw... I wanted that since since the beginning of unity, but unfortunately we took some time to get this...
[15:30] <didrocks> cyphermox: \o/ bootstrapped and everything already? (and we have one commit since the boostrap?)
[15:30] <fginther> sil2100, thanks for the additional info in the MP.
[15:31] <cyphermox> ah, right it's missing bootstrap
[15:31] <didrocks> cyphermox: first line: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~autopilot/autopilot-gtk/trunk/view/16/debian/changelog
[15:31] <didrocks> cyphermox: it is bootstrapped :)
[15:31] <cyphermox> hey, I notice windowmocker isn't in the misc-head.cfg
[15:31] <cyphermox> what?
[15:32] <cyphermox> ahh yeah
[15:32] <cyphermox> I was looking at just the last changelog ;)
[15:32] <cyphermox> incidently, shouldn't all that get merged somehow?
[15:32] <didrocks> cyphermox: it's not? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/view/head:/jenkins/etc/misc-head.cfg
[15:32] <didrocks> last line :)
[15:32] <didrocks> window-mocker
[15:32] <didrocks> cyphermox: hum, yes please :)
[15:32] <didrocks> cyphermox: just merge them in one
[15:37] <fginther> sorry for dropping, my 1 year old found the power button
[15:38] <didrocks> fginther: urgh, this is bad, time change computer? :p
[15:39] <fginther> didrocks, :-)
[15:42] <didrocks> cyphermox: still around? ;)
[15:42] <didrocks> cyphermox: the autopilot branch is merged, just miss the one changelog before rebuilding the stack
[15:43] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:43] <cyphermox> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-gtk/changelog/+merge/147398
[15:43] <cyphermox> I crashed for some reason
[15:43] <didrocks> fginther has his child sabotage his computer, yours is crashing
[15:43] <didrocks> crazy place here :)
[15:44] <didrocks> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-gtk/changelog/+merge/147398
[15:44] <didrocks> cyphermox: empty diff?
[15:44] <cyphermox> what?
[15:44] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-gtk/changelog
[15:44] <cyphermox> heh
[15:44] <didrocks> did you commit before pushing? :)
[15:44] <cyphermox> yeah just a second
[15:44] <fginther> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/autopilot/set_compiz_option_cleanup_fix/+merge/147379 merged
[15:45] <cyphermox> I think that's because of my crash
[15:45] <didrocks> probably :)
[15:45] <cyphermox> there you go
[15:46] <cyphermox> yeah, it looks like a pretty bad crash :/
[15:46] <cyphermox> I'd like to know what happened, but even just syslog is messed up
[15:46] <didrocks> fginther: I'll abuse your jenkins power and getting this MP merged quickly if possible (https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-gtk/changelog/+merge/147398)
[15:46] <didrocks> cyphermox: urgh?
[15:46] <didrocks> cyphermox: hope you didn't loose any data at least
[15:47] <fginther> didrocks, i'll start it
[15:47] <cyphermox> heh, I couldn't lose much, it's pretty much all on ubuntu one or on launchpad
[15:47] <sil2100> fginther: \o/
[15:47] <didrocks> fginther: thanks a million!
[15:47] <didrocks> :)
[15:51] <cyphermox> didrocks: not looking good: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathieu-tl/misc/Capture%20du%202013-02-08%2010:43:59.png
[15:52] <cyphermox> isn't jenkins supposed to review the changelog branch eventually?
[15:52]  * cyphermox cracks the whip
[15:53] <didrocks> :)
[15:53] <didrocks> francis started the job
[16:06] <fginther> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-gtk/changelog/+merge/147398 is merged
[16:07] <didrocks> fginther: excellent! thanks for tracking :)
[16:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: let's add autopilot-gtk to the misc stack?
[16:07] <didrocks> and then launch a build?
[16:12] <didrocks> fginther: I really wonder if the fasttrack worked again, mmrazik told me this morning, it was working: on https://code.launchpad.net/~ps-jenkins/unity/latestsnapshot/+merge/147388, 54 minutes for landing (and nothing else in the unity queue)
[16:15] <fginther> didrocks, we'll have to restart jenkins for it to pick up these change correctly. Jenkins appears to cache the build triggers that we need to update to turn on fasttrack
[16:16] <didrocks> fginther: how do you update your jobs? the manual commands that jibel built worked reliably, maybe we should put that in common in the future
[16:16] <fginther> didrocks, everything is in place otherwise.
[16:16] <fginther> didrocks, I generally use the jenkins web interface
[16:16] <didrocks> mterry: cyphermox seems to be on lunch break, as I hope we can publish ASAP the new misc, and then indicator stack, do you have time for adding the components? (I prefer you/cyphermox do it for practicing for the day I'm not around ;))
[16:17] <cyphermox> what?
[16:17] <didrocks> fginther: waow, and the web interface is caching? weird… I think we'll need to work on the configuration at some point, having one configuration that you can expand/deploy ;)
[16:17] <mterry> didrocks, new component is window-mocker?
[16:17] <mterry> cyphermox, heh
[16:17] <fginther> didrocks, I'm interested if jibel has had success with other methods
[16:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: \o/
[16:17] <didrocks> just in time :)
[16:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: ping you twice, you probably missed them :)
[16:17] <cyphermox> yeah, let's add autopilot-gtk
[16:17] <didrocks> fginther: yeah, let's discuss that next week?
[16:17] <fginther> didrocks, yes
[16:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: ok, tell me if you need my help
[16:17] <cyphermox> I already have the change if it didn't get crapped by my crash
[16:17] <didrocks> heh, let's see :)
[16:18] <cyphermox> hopefully I'm not missing access for this one
[16:18] <didrocks> cyphermox: tell me once I can pull on the archive admin machine
[16:18] <didrocks> you should have access, you pushed successfullly yesterday
[16:19] <cyphermox> so, change, merge, push, publish, notify , correct?
[16:19] <didrocks> cyphermox: no merge, just push ;)
[16:19] <didrocks> cyphermox: but yeah ;)
[16:20] <cyphermox> well, yeah
[16:20] <didrocks> mterry: window-mocker is already part of the distro, you are soooo old fashion :)
[16:21] <mterry> :)
[16:25] <sil2100> ;)
[16:25] <sil2100> andyrock: hi! I commented on your merge request for the quicklist fix :)
[16:25] <sil2100> Ah!
[16:25] <sil2100> I see you fixed it ;)
[16:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: so, once you have published the jobs to jenkins, you can run building the misc stack :)
[16:26] <cyphermox> didrocks: no, still need to notify you no?
[16:26] <andyrock> sil2100, not sure what happened here, maybe a cmake issue
[16:26] <sil2100> andyrock: maybe during building a package with bzr builddeb adds some flags?
[16:26] <cyphermox> or is it not order-sensitive?
[16:26] <sil2100> andyrock: since I was building a package
[16:26] <didrocks> cyphermox: it's not, between the notification and publishing the jobs to jenkins :)
[16:26] <andyrock> sil2100, no i get the fail here too now
[16:27] <didrocks> cyphermox: I saw you changed the cupstream2distro trunk
[16:27] <cyphermox> right
[16:27] <didrocks> cyphermox: so I pulled on the archive admin machine
[16:28] <cyphermox> ok
[16:28] <cyphermox> so the jobs are reconfigured
[16:29] <didrocks> cyphermox: sweet, please launch a build :)
[16:30] <cyphermox> cu2d-run -R misc-head correct?
[16:30] <cyphermox> why not just rebuild autopilot-gtk?
[16:30] <didrocks> cyphermox: the build is per stack, it will see that autopilot and autopilot-gtk are new
[16:30] <didrocks> cyphermox: and will only rebuild those
[16:31] <cyphermox> ok
[16:31] <didrocks> so as the two are the ones we are interested in… :)
[16:31] <cyphermox> right..
[16:31] <didrocks> no need to specify them on the command line
[16:31] <didrocks> but good question! :)
[16:32] <cyphermox> so I'm missing check-whole-ppa then
[16:32] <cyphermox> cu2d-run complained ;)
[16:32] <didrocks> cyphermox: euh non
[16:32] <didrocks> check-whole-ppa won't rebuild
[16:32] <didrocks> only run the check
[16:32] <cyphermox> cu2d-run -R misc-head <-- that didn't work
[16:32] <didrocks> the command is cu2d-run -R misc
[16:32] <cyphermox> 2013-02-08 11:31:24,016 ERROR No project or check-with-whole-ppa parameter specified on the command line. This tool is used for those cases. Aborting!
[16:32] <didrocks> oh
[16:32] <cyphermox> so I do need to specify autopilot/-gtk
[16:32] <didrocks> right, I did this check :)
[16:32] <sil2100> andyrock: anyway, it's fine, I approved - you want someone else from the unity team to take a look before globally approving?
[16:33] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah sorry, I didn't want to enable people to rebuild everything by error :)
[16:33] <cyphermox> sure, np
[16:33] <cyphermox> how are projects separated, just space?
[16:33] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, just spaces
[16:34] <cyphermox> done
[16:34] <didrocks> cyphermox: excellent, its working as you can see
[16:35] <didrocks> cyphermox: so then, we'll have a manual publishing to do due to autopilot-gtk with packaging change
[16:35] <andyrock> sil2100, it's fine can go in ;)
[16:35] <didrocks> cyphermox: and then, we can launch --check-with-whole-ppa for indicators
[16:35] <didrocks> with sil2100's autopilot fix
[16:35] <didrocks> and cross fingers and everything :)
[16:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey, I was looking at the last changelog published for unity... Since we merged a branch from unity-team on wich I worked I and Brandon, the changelog repets the bug for both (and that's fine), but there's also an entry for both such as  [ Marco Trevisan (Treviño<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Brandon Schaefer ]
[16:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: is that a parsing issue or something wanted?
[16:42] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, parsing issue, please open a bug with the changelog and link to the commit in lp:unity against cupstream2distro
[16:42] <didrocks> Trevinho: I'll provide a testcase that way and fix it :)
[16:42] <Trevinho> didrocks: nice, thanks
[16:44] <didrocks> thanks to you :)
[16:47] <Trevinho> didrocks: here you are https://bugs.launchpad.net/cupstream2distro/+bug/1119562
[16:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: thanks!
[17:57] <cyphermox> didrocks: ok, so finally built and all, let's rerun indicators
[17:57] <didrocks> cyphermox: \o/
[17:57] <didrocks> cyphermox: --check-whole-with-ppa
[17:58] <cyphermox> yupyup
[18:00] <didrocks> cyphermox: oh, you need manual publication as well for misc
[18:00] <didrocks> cyphermox: as there is a new packaging, autopilot-gtk
[18:00] <didrocks> jibel: just for your pleasure ^ :)
[18:01] <cyphermox> right
[18:02] <cyphermox> didrocks: does that need to be finished before I do the indicator rerun or are we good because it's really about publishing to archive rather than to the ppa
[18:02] <cyphermox> ?
[18:02] <didrocks> cyphermox: no, the publication is just copying to the archive
[18:02] <didrocks> cyphermox: so whenever you want (preferably now ;))
[18:03] <sil2100> I hope this time it will be 0 failures
[18:03] <sil2100> Since with autopilot and unity, you never know!
[18:04] <didrocks> sil2100: I like 0! :)
[18:05] <cyphermox> aye
[18:05] <cyphermox> didrocks: done
[18:05] <cyphermox> brb
[18:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: \o/
[18:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: ah, also, the indicators will probably go on manual publishing mode as we have libappindicator and other "new" packages for the system
[18:15] <cyphermox> yeah
[18:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: and UTAH failed again
[18:26] <didrocks> cyphermox: can you restart the job once it finishes? we need to wait for ati to finish
[18:27]  * sil2100 sighs
[18:27] <sil2100> What's up with UTAH?
[18:27] <didrocks> again, can't install a machine :/
[18:27] <didrocks> and ati failed as well
[18:28] <didrocks> cyphermox: trying to relaunch it
[18:28] <didrocks> so, again, have to wait for 1 hour from now to eventually get results
[18:30] <cyphermox> huh
[18:31] <cyphermox> :/
[18:49] <didrocks> cyphermox: ok, failing again, can you please go on the qa channel and tell them that it's failing reliably?
[18:52] <sil2100> It makes me angry
[18:53] <didrocks> same here TBH :/


[21:07] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - the only problem I ran into with the wireless is that to use it, you have to open kwallet
[21:07] <ghoulsblade> jason_froebe, hmm that'd be bad, but i'm afraid letting it run is not an option.  i was just wondering wether it was worth letting it download for a few hours now, or if it would be all in vain anyway
[21:07] <jason_froebe> which may need a password
[21:07] <Makuseru> !ati
[21:08] <jason_froebe> ghoulsblade - understood, your best bet then is to download the alternate cd iso and upgrade from it
[21:08] <ghoulsblade> ok, thanks =)
[21:10] <bdizzle> jason_froebe: can you help me out over PM with it? I downloaded it for the linux side and it comes up "access denied" through a wine prompt
[21:10] <jason_froebe> no no - you need to download the linux version and then run it with sudo
[21:10] <jason_froebe> ^^ for bdizzle
[21:10] <bdizzle> ah
[21:10] <bdizzle> okay
[21:11] <bdizzle> sudo what?
[21:11] <bdizzle> sudo <filename> ?
[21:11] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu sucks
[21:11] <yao_ziyuan> kicker menu takes 1 sec to open
[21:11] <Cugel> Hello people.
[21:12] <bdizzle> nevermind, I'll download it in windows where it has the GUI interface
[21:12] <yao_ziyuan> manually compiled kde4 takes no time
[21:12] <Cugel>  Question: is there a way of getting the 2.1 beta of Amarok on Kubuntu Intrepid? I'm not too astounded by 2.0.1 so far.
[21:14] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - one sec
[21:15] <afeijo> this will be weird... my kNotes dont work the color options! it is transparent :( very anoying
[21:15] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - how to (from windows) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=811397  looking for a howto for ubuntu
[21:17] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - here is a youtube video for ubuntu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIdQ_N8nwZw
[21:17] <afeijo> anyone know how to reset my knotes entirely?
[21:17] <bdizzle> yeah, I've got it running over windows on my desktop right now
[21:18] <jason_froebe> zao_ziyuan - right click on kicker and select "classic menu" - much faster
[21:18] <jason_froebe> :)
[21:23] <afeijo> how to uninstall a widget ?
[21:24] <bdizzle> jason_froebe: okay, so it installed, I booted, and it just went to GRUB, it didn't read the jump drive
[21:24] <jeremy__> Hi everyone
[21:25] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - you will need to tell your computer to boot off of usb.  usually it is F12 when starting but you might have to change the bios to enable it
[21:26] <jason_froebe> afeijo - a widget?
[21:26] <bdizzle> yeah, I'm checking. USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM, USB-HDD ?
[21:26] <bdizzle> FDD?
[21:26] <afeijo> jason_froebe: yes, my notes widget have a problem, I was thinking in remove it from my widget list, and than click on the install new widgets to download it again
[21:26] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - usb-hdd is my guess
[21:27] <jeremy__> I'm a kubuntu newbie, and am having some trouble getting openssh working, if anyone has a few seconds to help
[21:28] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ - outgoing or incoming?
[21:29] <biblioteca> seus bichasss
[21:30] <afeijo> !br | biblioteca
[21:30] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ - in the chatroom please - I have private chat disabled
[21:30] <jeremy__> jason_froebe - np, my bad
[21:31] <jeremy__> jason_froebe - incoming - It's on a private LAN not connected to the internet, and all I want is to ssh via my single user's password, but it keeps telling me it's incorrect.
[21:32] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ when you try "ssh login@localhost" does it still say bad password?  (replacing login with whatever login you're trying)
[21:32] <jeremy__> jason_froebe yup.
[21:32] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ but when you log into the console, it works?
[21:33] <jeremy__> jason_froebe that's right.  password works everywhere else for the user.
[21:34] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ - check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config to make sure 1) that the user is not disallowed from logging in via ssh 2) password authentication is allowed
[21:34] <jeremy__> jason_froebe k, just a sec.
[21:34] <jason_froebe> brb
[21:37] <jeremy__> jason_froebe yeah, all looks good there.  PasswordAuthentication is on, and the user is not explicitly disallowed.
[21:38] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ - if you "su - login", that works?  if so, something might be screwy with the pam setup
[21:39] <gesgeor> hi
[21:39] <gesgeor> is kde 4.2.3 available for intrepid ?
[21:40] <jeremy__> jason_froebe hmm, if I do that, it tells me "Cannot execute zsh: No such file or directory"
[21:41] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ check their entry in /etc/passwd - their shell might not be installed (zsh) but that shouldn't cause a password denied
[21:41] <jason_froebe> error
[21:42] <jason_froebe> oh wait, it would
[21:42] <jeremy__> jason_froebe aha!   Just had "zsh".
[21:42] <jeremy__> jason_froebe thanks for the help man, that would've driven me up a wall. ;)
[21:43] <jason_froebe> jeremy__ no worries... :)
[21:43] <ja2ui0> I'm beating my head against the wall trying to automatically mount my usb drives at bootup in jaunty, which worked fine in hardy.
[21:43] <dekkong> Hello guys .. .I have major flash lags, dont know why
[21:43] <dekkong> cant even visit some websites because of lag
[21:43] <gaetan> salut
[21:44] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - check your udev scripts /etc/udev/ - they were probably overwritten
[21:44] <ja2ui0> it is a fresh install
[21:45] <nameiner> Does anybody know why firefox doesn't give me options with what application to open a downloaded file? Or how to get that back.
[21:45] <ja2ui0> I've checked forums and googled for about the past 4 hours
[21:46] <ja2ui0> after adding usb_storage to /etc/modules, the usb drives all show up in /dev/disks
[21:46] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - if you want the usb drives automatically mounted at specified locations, you will need to customize the udev scripts...  google for udev usb mount
[21:48] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - so it is working correctly now?
[21:48] <genii> nameiner: From url of        about:config         what value has the variable:  browser.helperApps.neverAsk.openFile                ?
[21:48] <ja2ui0> no, i'm still reading on udev - i never had to do that in hardy
[21:48] <genii> nameiner: (you can put the name in the search bar there)
[21:49] <dbglt> hey is there something like gdebi for kde? kdebi ?
[21:49] <ja2ui0> jason_froebe - I have several lines in my fstab that look like this: LABEL=lore      /media/lore     ext3    defaults        0       0
[21:49] <ja2ui0> and that's all it took in hardy
[21:50] <ja2ui0> right now, i have to log in a session and sudo mount -a, and all 5 drives come up
[21:50] <ja2ui0> but the 0 0 should make them auto mount
[21:51] <nameiner> ja2ui0: it's false and that is not the problem. It askes me if I want to open or save the file. What I mean is, that I'm used to have a dropdown menu with applications to open the file with. And now I can only search and have to find the actual application in the file system.
[21:52] <nameiner> ja2ui0: for example: download a png-file and it offers you to open it with gwenview or gimp ...
[21:52] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - not sure why it was changed or if it is a bug.  in any case, udev script is the way to go imho
[21:53] <jussi01> nameiner: you mean edit -> preferences -> applications?
[21:54] <nameiner> jussi01: no, I mean in the box that opens when I download a file. But in the applications there is not much to change too.
[21:58] <ja2ui0> jason_froebe - so I should put in a rule like 99-mount.rules, reading something like SUBSYSTEM=="block", run+="/bin/mount -a"
[21:58] <ja2ui0> however, I don't know what the SUBSYSTEM== should be, or some other argument, if I want it to execute at boot
[21:59] <afeijo> does kubuntu come with a handwrite style font?
[22:05] <beagleburt> tsimpson: am stuck upgrading from K-6.06 > K-8.04 Plze Help!
[22:08] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168221
[22:08] <jason_froebe> it should help
[22:09] <odlaII> will kde 4.2.3 hit 9.04 and if not is there really any reason to add the PPA and upgrade to it?
[22:13] <ja2ui0> jason_froebe - udevinfo command not found, and can't find the package that has it in kpackagemanager or apt-get
[22:14] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - udevadm provides udevinfo, so you will need to add it
[22:15] <ja2ui0> E: Couldn't find package udevadm
[22:17] <jason_froebe> my bad - udev-extras
[22:21] <ja2ui0> udev info command not found
[22:21] <ja2ui0> udevinfo*
[22:21] <jason_froebe> checking - looks like jaunty moved things around
[22:22] <billybigrigger> hey all, quick question, its a kdenlive question...im in gnome, running kdenlive, and im trying to convert an .mts (avchd) file to something i can watch on my pc, and i need to deinterlace it, well it seems my flash, h264, xvid, mpeg2, mpeg4 options are all greyed out, all i can convert to is raw dv, avi dv, realvideo or theora, is this right? did i forget to install something?
[22:22] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - /sbin/udevadm info
[22:23] <jason_froebe> billybigrigger - did you install the codecs via medibuntu repos?  !medibuntu
[22:23] <jason_froebe> !medibuntu
[22:23] <Caldavien_> does any one know if there is a way to make the analog click widget stay above all windows in kubuntu 9.04 with kde4
[22:24] <billybigrigger> jason_froebe, these formats work with everything else though...ill install medibuntu repo anyway
[22:24] <billybigrigger> also is anyone aware of something similar to kdenlive but written in gtk?
[22:26] <billybigrigger> jason_froebe, is there a codec pack i can install that will install them all in 1 shot?
[22:27] <xjjk> billybigrigger: try kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:27] <jason_froebe> billybigrigger - Cinelerra will work in place of kdenlive http://cinelerra.org/
[22:27] <billybigrigger> does cinelerra convert mts (avchd)???
[22:28] <jason_froebe> billybigrigger - you will also want to run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade to pull in ffmpeg /mencoder / etc
[22:28] <bdizzle> about how much space do I need on my hard drive partition to install just the kubuntu files. I am setting up the partitions so that the home directory is a partition on its own.
[22:28] <jason_froebe> from medibuntu repos
[22:28] <ja2ui0> none of this is helping
[22:28] <jason_froebe> billybigrigger - I think so
[22:28] <ja2ui0> thank you for your time, but this is way over my head.
[22:29] <ja2ui0> all I want to do is mount -a on boot.
[22:29] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - no worries...
[22:29] <ja2ui0> that should be really simple
[22:29] <bdizzle> anyone know about how much space 9.04 takes up without the home directory?
[22:29] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - you can put "/sbin/mount -a" in /etc/rc.local
[22:30] <Makuseru> What is the name of the window manager for kde? I seem to have lost all my window borders.
[22:30] <bdizzle> dolphin
[22:31] <SSJ_GZ> Makuseru: kwin
[22:31] <Makuseru> SSJ_GZ: Thanks.
[22:31] <SSJ_GZ> np
[22:31] <reagleBRKLN> i'm using kde 3.5.10; in kate i sometimes edit text files editing by win32 apps, and get doesn't seem to detect the latin-1, if I don't notice and save Kate will break it by saving as uf-8 is there any sort of autodetect function/plugin?
[22:31] <jason_froebe> ja2ui0 - looks like LABEL doesn't work any more in /etc/fstab according to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904  - you need to use UUID instead
[22:33] <jason_froebe> reagleBRKLN - if they are just text files, there is no way to determine what character set they are in.  if they are xml, html, rtf, etc, then yes
[22:33] <reagleBRKLN> just text files (markdown)
[22:35] <reagleBRKLN> i could keep everything in utf-8 (prefer) but then when Word 2003 opens such a file it bugs me with a dialog -- though it does guess it correclty, but wants me to confirm. keeping it in latin-1 --as windows likes -- causes me to corrupt files with kate
[22:37] <lovre> hi all
[22:38] <lovre> does anyone have an account on springerlink.com? (sorry for oftopic)
[22:39] <jason_froebe> reagleBRKLN - yup, Word scans the file looking at what it thinks are characters and makes a semi-intelligent guess as to what character set it is
[22:39] <jussi01> lovre: -> #kubuntu-offtopic please
[22:39] <lovre> jussi01: ok ty
[22:41] <bdizzle> could someone give me some quick help on the partition setup for 9.04?
[22:41] <alumno0> Hallo. I've a tv card in a computer. Do you know any program to see the tv in another computer? A program like vnc (but vnc doesn't work)
[22:42] <bdizzle> I can't get one of the partitions to write itself as an ntfs, (a bridge partition between windows and linux since its stuck due to the way they originally installed windows)
[22:42] <bdizzle> so I've got it as a FAT32, and it keeps wanting to set the mount point as /dos
[22:43] <beagleburt> G'day from New Zealand again folks! Am trying to upgrade from K-6.06 LTS > K-8.04 LTS with help from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20from%206.06%20for%20Kubuntu%20Desktops%20%28Recommended%29 but i get stuck at: "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" What do i do next, please?
[22:43] <bdizzle> if its just a normal partition with no boot files on it, why would it matter?
[22:44] <bdizzle> also, what are the differences between primary and logical drive?
[22:48] <jason_froebe> bdizzle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_(computing)  <- info on partitions
[22:49] <bdizzle> jason_froebe: I'm mostly familiar with them, but since I seem to only do them once every year or two, its something I have to nearly re-learn each time
[22:49] <tn> Hello
[22:50] <tn> I've installed kubuntu not having used linux for a while. I'm really happy to see that alot is looking good :-)
[22:52] <tn> I have a couple of questions I hope someone might know the answer to. I notice that the wireless connection only starts after loading the gui. In older linux distros the wireless connection starts as part of init.d/network. Is this a distro-thing or kde-thing?
[22:53] <tn> Secondly I notice that my cd-rom is always spinning (constantly) when there is a cd in the drive. Not a big issue, just eject when not using :-P
[22:57] <tn> I was unable to play mp3's in amarok, But a quick apt-get resolved that. Guess it's because I'm using the rc
[22:58] <alumno0> tn: About the questions. You can configure /etc/init.d/interfaces and put there the wifi parameters. About the second, My DVD have a CD and only works when I access it.
[22:59] <tn> alumno0: Cool thanx!
[22:59] <ja2ui0> here's a fun one
[23:00] <ja2ui0> I'm trying to run 'moc' remotely from my laptop on my audio server.
[23:00] <ja2ui0> as long as I'm logged in a session, console or KDE, it works fine over ssh
[23:00] <ja2ui0> but if I'm not logged in, alsa craps out
[23:00] <ja2ui0> any thoughts?
[23:07] <dylan_> shy can't my nvidia drivers installed on jaunty display 1280x1024 ? I get every other resolution less than and greater than, plus the wide screens, but no 1280x1024.. My XP installation is capable of 1280x1024 (which is what I run), on the same screen
[23:11] <lorecaster> Hey all :D Konversation was replaced by another product in 9.04, anyone have experience as to the pros and cons of that software?
[23:13] <Dragnslcr> lorecaster- I've found a couple rather minor annoyances, but so far it seems to work as well as Konversation
[23:14] <lorecaster> Dragnslcr: very good... i'm having problems with the notifications in Konversation... the .OOG files won't play... but i can listen to -most- MP3's perfectly well. am i missing a synaptic?
[23:15] <Dragnslcr> I dunno, I don't think I ever used any of the notifications in Konversation
[23:16] <lorecaster> with my dual monitors, i do some sick multitasking, i've come to rely on notifications
[23:16] <lorecaster> alas.
[23:16] <lorecaster> google it is! :D thanks anyway Dragnslcr
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> Heh, good luck
[23:17] <ja2ui0> just learned that I can execute 'sudo mocp' over ssh, and it works perfectly.  This makes me think there is a permission issue, or I could add my user to a group that might be able to make moc work without sudo.
[23:17] <ja2ui0> any idea?
[23:20]  * Cam42 is liking KDE
[23:26] <ja2ui0> in case anyone's interested, adding a user to group 'audio' solved that problem
[23:28] <Cam42> May be the wrong place to ask this, but how do I install Xfce on an ubuntu system?
[23:29] <Dragnslcr> !info xubuntu-desktop
[23:29] <Dragnslcr> That's the package you want, Cam42
[23:29] <Cam42>  In the Universe repository?
[23:31] <Cam42> nevermind, I found it.
[23:31] <Cam42> Why don't some people like KDE?
[23:33] <bfarah> help needed to install webcam on 9.04
[23:33] <bfarah> has anybody got his webcam working with 9.04????
[23:34] <Cam42> what webcam do you have?
[23:34] <bfarah> logitech quickcam 3500
[23:34] <Cam42> what happens when you plug it in?
[23:34] <bfarah> nothing
[23:34] <Cam42> hmm...
[23:34] <bfarah> no /dev/video0
[23:34] <Cam42> is it usb?
[23:34] <bfarah> yes it is
[23:35] <Cam42> did you try a different port?
[23:35] <bfarah> i was trying to install the spca5xx
[23:35] <bfarah> yes i have
[23:35] <bfarah> nothing
[23:35] <Cam42> weird.
[23:35] <bfarah> it is not been detected as i can't see it in /dev/video0
[23:35] <Cam42> is it going directly into the computer, or through a hub?
[23:35] <bfarah> yes, no hub, nothing ,
[23:35] <Cam42> I have no idea, sorry
[23:36] <bfarah> it is fine, thanks anyway, ;)
[23:37] <Cam42> yep.
[23:43] <lorecaster> I would LOVE a hand here... my Konversation program won't let me play events. The ogg files play fine in movie-player and others, but they will not play in konversation. i have the sound activated, selected, but when i click on the play button on configure notifications... nothing happens.
[23:44] <coleys> Is Quassel or Konversation better in your oppinions?
[23:44] <bob_> Is there a way to create live disc of *buntu from the desktop environment? If so where can I find out about how to do that?
[23:45] <coleys> Umm. Search Adept bob_ I know there is some, you'll probably find with search of keywords.
[23:46] <bob_> coleys: thanks
[23:46] <Magicman1264> Hi Can anyone help me with a Java problem in Firefox. I am new at this an kind of lost
[23:46] <coleys> bob_: Np :) good luck
[23:47] <coleys> Magicman1264: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[23:47] <mouka> hi all
[23:48] <mouka> anybody knows how I can view arabic newspapers with better fonts online?
[23:48] <mouka> my current fonts are extremely ugly
[23:48] <bob_> coleys: Q answered. Its and app called remastersys, thought you might want to know
[23:48] <mouka> and I know that it's possible to have way better fonts, I have seen it under openSUSE
[23:50] <mouka> anybody has any ideas as to what I can do to get better arabic fonts?
[23:51] <coleys> What you guys prefer, quassel or Konversation?
[23:51] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: kvirc =D
[23:52] <lorecaster> Konversation has a bug in the sound notifications... and i need notifications... so what do i move onto? KVIRC or Quassel?
[23:52] <coleys> Hedge|Hog: Ahh, is that gui? or...?
[23:52] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: of course
[23:52] <ign0ramus> coleys, the KDE4 port of Konversation ftw
[23:52] <coleys> Hedge|Hog: Im coming from ubuntu so i don't know KDE programs =P
[23:52] <lorecaster> yeah, GNOME here too
[23:53] <ign0ramus> coleys, http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/SVN
[23:53] <coleys> ign0ramus: Thanks!!
[23:53] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: http://files.mint-space.com/getfile,20090508225307,irc3.png.html
[23:53] <ign0ramus> coleys, np!  plus, the devs are always in #konversation if you ever have any questions
[23:53] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: just recently switched to kde myself, was very disappointed about konversation though
[23:53] <lorecaster> what about Irssi?
[23:54] <ign0ramus> lorecaster, irssi is pretty sweet too, but the question was quassel vs konversation
[23:54] <coleys> I liked the command feature that konversation has... I just noticed it, and it auto /msg nickserv'd me =p
[23:54] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: kvirc is in a fairly recent version in ubuntus repositories also
[23:54] <coleys> Ill give kvirc a try.
[23:54] <lorecaster> i asked a similar question though :P
[23:54] <coleys> Well I generally avoided any K programs just cause people make me scared of KDE =p
[23:54] <Hedge|Hog> and all that auto thinges can be done in kvirc
[23:55] <coleys> Hedge|Hog: Thanks guys, definitly will be logged in IRC... you all seem helpful.
[23:55] <Hedge|Hog> heh np
[23:55] <Magicman1264> Coleys:  After I tried what you said to do this is the message I got (0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:55] <Magicman1264> Need to get 35.0MB of archives.
[23:55] <Magicman1264> After this operation, 101MB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:55] <Magicman1264> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? )  What do I do at this point?
[23:56] <coleys> Just waiting for 9.04 kubuntu to finish downloading =(
[23:56] <coleys> Magicman1264: Y
[23:56] <Hedge|Hog> forcing a filesystem check on boot is sudo touch /forcefsck eh?
[23:56] <coleys> Magicman1264: Type y and enter
[23:56] <Magicman1264> ok thank you
[23:56] <coleys> And as for browser, should I stick with Konqueror?
[23:57] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: definetely not
[23:57] <Hedge|Hog> konqueror is really unstable
[23:57] <coleys> Hedge|Hog: Was hoping for that answer =)
[23:57] <ign0ramus> Hedge|Hog, yes, that command will work
[23:57] <Hedge|Hog> ign0ramus: thx
[23:57] <ign0ramus> Hedge|Hog, np
[23:57] <coleys> Hedge|Hog: Suggest just firefox?
[23:57] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: ff does however look ugly in kde, follow this guide to make it look better integrated
[23:58] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[23:58] <coleys> Oh thanks!
[23:58] <coleys> I really like how everything in the kde desktop is like integrated. Its pimp :p
[23:58] <ign0ramus> they *were* making a Qt-based Fx, but i think the project was abandoned :(
[23:58] <Hedge|Hog> ign0ramus: too bad
[23:59] <Hedge|Hog> konqeror as a webbrowser was a big disappintment
[23:59] <Hedge|Hog> very unstable
[23:59] <ign0ramus> Hedge|Hog, I never use konqueror as a browser
[23:59] <coleys> Dolphin or Konqueorr for file browsing?
[23:59] <ign0ramus> Hedge|Hog, i always liked it as a file manager
[23:59] <Hedge|Hog> kk
[23:59] <Hedge|Hog> coleys: basically the same =D


[02:05] <micahg> ping hggdh
[02:09] <pace_t_zulu> hey, anyone notice that [ctrl]+[shift]+[n] in gnome-terminal to get a new terminal window results in a terminal window in the path "/" rather than "~"
[02:10] <micahg> pace_t_zulu: is that just terminal in the menu?
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: yeah the standard terminal
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> the one under "Accessories"
[02:10] <micahg> nope, it drops me in my home dir
[02:10] <micahg> on Jaunyt
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: actually... it's working for me right now ;)
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: nm i guess
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: thanks for checking it out though
[02:11] <micahg> np pace_t_zulu
[03:07] <hggdh> micahg, pong
[03:08] <micahg> some humor for our arduous task of bug control: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DilbertDailyStrip/~3/mJorERMPfl4/
[03:12] <hggdh> heh
[06:27] <thekorn> good morning
[06:29] <dholbach> good morning
[06:33] <billybigrigger> anyone know how long after a package is built and published on launchpad how long it takes to hit the main repo?
[06:35] <dholbach> billybigrigger: which package? which upload? you can check in LP
[06:36] <billybigrigger> sauerbraten
[06:36] <billybigrigger> was just pushed from debian
[06:36] <billybigrigger> built and published a few hours ago
[06:36] <billybigrigger> and the new version isn't showing up in the main multiverse repo
[06:36] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/sauerbraten/0.0.20090504.dfsg-1
[06:37] <dholbach> weird, "apt-cache show sauerbraten | grep ^Version" shows the exactly same version here
[06:37] <dholbach> maybe you're using a mirror that is not updated yet?
[06:38] <billybigrigger> im using the main mirror for multiverse
[06:38] <billybigrigger> haha
[06:38] <billybigrigger> all my apt sources are for jaunty
[06:38] <billybigrigger> and im running karmic
[06:38] <billybigrigger> i just noticed that
[06:38] <billybigrigger> wtf
[06:38] <dholbach> hu?!
[06:39] <billybigrigger> wtf
[06:39] <billybigrigger> Linux sally 2.6.28-11-server #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 02:45:36 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:39] <dholbach> can you put up your sources.list at http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[06:39] <billybigrigger> this was installed from a karmic A2 cd
[06:40] <billybigrigger> a2 shipped with 28-11 yeah?
[06:40] <billybigrigger> doh
[06:41] <billybigrigger> haha
[06:41] <billybigrigger> maybe i should be thinking about sleep and not a video game
[06:41] <billybigrigger> was ssh'd into my 9.04 server
[06:41] <billybigrigger> no wonder i couldn't find the new package lol
[06:41] <billybigrigger> sauerbraten:
[06:41] <billybigrigger>   Installed: (none)
[06:41] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 0.0.20090504.dfsg-1
[06:42] <dholbach> ok
[06:42] <billybigrigger> hmm
[06:42] <billybigrigger> depends aren't met yet
[06:42] <billybigrigger> still waiting on sauerbraten-data
[06:42] <billybigrigger> which is also built and published according to LP
[06:43] <billybigrigger> sauerbraten: Depends: sauerbraten-data (>= 0.0.20090504) but it is not going to be installed
[06:43] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/sauerbraten-data/0.0.20090504-1
[06:44] <dholbach> maybe it still takes a time to get into the archive
[06:44] <dholbach> no idea
[06:44] <billybigrigger> hmm must be
[06:44] <billybigrigger> wish i knew how to follow a package better
[06:45] <billybigrigger> archive.ubuntu is the main server right?
[06:45] <billybigrigger> not us.archive.ubuntu
[06:48] <Jeruvy> not sure..
[06:50] <dholbach> archive.ubuntu is the main one, yes
[06:50] <dholbach> I'd just wait a bit
[06:51] <billybigrigger> apt-cache show sauerbraten-data shows the new version
[06:51] <billybigrigger> apt-cache policy doesnt
[13:28] <bddebian> Boo
[22:40] <bdmurray> bug 397402
[22:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397402 in yelp "sunny day" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397402
[22:49] <hggdh> that's a difficult one
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> heh. sunny day?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> lets try this again:
[22:49] <BUGabundo> ola ppl
[22:49] <BUGabundo> hey chrisccoulson hggdh
[22:49] <bdmurray> "sunny day" conveys a positive attitude to me
[22:49] <hggdh> ola ppl
[22:50] <hggdh> s/ppl/BUGabundo/
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahaha
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: are you around? my touchpad will not work after resume (from hibernate to disk). let me file this. I'm karmic btw
[22:58] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: yah, point me to the bug# once it's filed
[23:00] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:01] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: side note: have you reports of exesive CPU usage? mine is almost always at 2.4GHz (tha max, being 1.2 the min)
[23:01] <BUGabundo> both on Conservative and OnDemand
[23:01] <BUGabundo> atop only lists xorg using 20% cpu
[23:02] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: does it result in overheating and a forced shutdown? cuz I know a bug for that one
[23:02] <BUGabundo> no force shutdown so far
[23:02] <BUGabundo> but I noticed this with almost every -30/31 krnel
[23:02] <BUGabundo> it was not like this with older kernel or jaunty ones
[23:03] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: would be great if you could pinpoint between which two kernels the regression was introduced
[23:03] <BUGabundo> darn screen. keeps flashing, going to black and coming back 2 sec latter :(
[23:03] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: which kernel are you on?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: no idea now!
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: latest on karmic
[23:04] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.31-1-generic #14-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 2 16:02:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:04] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: that's not the latest, please try 2.6.31-2
[23:04] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: I saw a few resolution related bugs fixed with 2.6.31-2
[23:04] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:04] <BUGabundo> let me check for updates
[23:04] <BUGabundo> I had all of them this after noon
[23:05] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: probably best to test the other issues on that newer kernel too
[23:07] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: I think I may have the CPU anwser
[23:07] <BUGabundo> it was also present on gutsy
[23:08] <BUGabundo> its sysmon! if I have it running it will use lots of CPU
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ive removed it from the applet bar and cpu is now at  1.2
[23:08] <BUGabundo> let me add it back and confirm it uses too much cpu
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ok that didn't work :(
[23:10] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: does it need a little while to spike?  maybe test leaving it removed for a while
[23:11] <BUGabundo> I added it back and CPU is low now
[23:11] <BUGabundo> very strange
[23:11] <BUGabundo> I also saw gnome DO eating a lot of cycles, but restarting it, fixed it, but cpu keept at 2.4
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: $ apt-cache policy linux  Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.13
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/397627
[23:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397627 in linux "touchpad will not work after hibernate/resume" [Undecided,New]
[23:15] <BUGabundo> see if it has all you need
[23:15] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: I'll post any follow ups to the bug so it's in one central location
[23:16] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:16] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: just see if apport hooked all logs required
[23:16] <BUGabundo> of if I need to run anything else
[23:16] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: it did, can you quickly test with the newer 2.6.31-2 kernel as well
[23:16] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: $ apt-cache policy linux  Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.13
[23:17] <BUGabundo> it says I have it :x
[23:17] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: bug report says you're on 2.6.31-1
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:18] <BUGabundo> its strangte
[23:18] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: did you reboot after installing?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> I reboot this morning into my topest kernel
[23:18] <BUGabundo> let me check if grub is up to date
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-2-generic
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-1-generic
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-10-generic
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-9-generic
[23:19] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: what's 'uname -a' return?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> $ uname -a
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.31-1-generic #14-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 2 16:02:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:19] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: so looks like you're still running 2.6.31-1
[23:19] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:19] <BUGabundo> strange
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I would reboot, but this takes soooooooo long
[23:20] <BUGabundo> im not one of the lucky ones with 10 sec boots!
[23:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:20] <BUGabundo> mine takes 1:40
[23:20] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: well, no need to reboot now if it's not convenient.  but post an update to the bug when you do and if you can confirm it remains with the 2.6.31-2 kernel.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/
[23:21] <BUGabundo> same time as hardy
[23:22] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: np, ill reboot in a few min
[23:22] <BUGabundo> but right now, that damn thing is quiet! LOL
[23:22] <BUGabundo> maybe its cooler now
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I really need to change my thermal paste :(
[23:24] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: just out of curiosity, if you unload and reload the psmouse driver does that help at all?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: how do I do that?
[23:26] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: sudo rmmod psmouse; sudo modprobe psmouse
[23:27] <BUGabundo> $ sudo rmmod psmouse; sudo modprobe psmouse
[23:27] <BUGabundo> [sudo] password for bugabundo:
[23:27] <BUGabundo> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/linux-wlan-ng, it will be ignored in a future release.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/options, it will be ignored in a future release.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: and it works!
[23:27] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: nice, not sure what those warnings are about
[23:27] <BUGabundo> I think its related to my webcam driver
[23:28] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:28] <BUGabundo> but I remember seeing they appear after the new version with gspca
[23:29] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: I think there are existing bugs regarding the touchpad issue and that workaround I mentioned
[23:29] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: I'll see if I can find the one I'm thinking of and mark your bug as a dup
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:29] <BUGabundo> thanks ogasawara
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and the CPU bug?
[23:30] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: not sure yet about the CPU bug, seems like the root cause is not yet known yet
[23:30] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:30] <BUGabundo> the stupid thing is that right now, its low, for the 1st time in two days
[23:31] <BUGabundo> with all the usual stuff I have
[23:31] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: seems related to you removing sysmon?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I have it back!
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I added it just to be sure if it was it, but didn't change anything
[23:32] <BUGabundo> once it got down from 2.4 to 1.2, it stood down ogasawara
[23:32] <BUGabundo> danr
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I'm stupid!
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I had it looked on 1.2
[23:32] <BUGabundo> setting on demand now
[23:33] <BUGabundo> its jumping between 1.6 and 2.4
[23:33] <BUGabundo> removing sys mon applet
[23:33] <BUGabundo>  3213   0.21s   0.20s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  20% Xorg
[23:33] <BUGabundo> from atop
[23:35] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: since we are on this: a very old bug (maybe even hardware one)
[23:35] <BUGabundo> my cdrom (dvdrw actually) driver NEVER works after suspend or hibernat
[23:35] <BUGabundo> NEVER has
[23:35] <BUGabundo> on every ubuntu version for the last 18 months
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I did file a bug, but its now lost on LP
[23:36] <bdmurray> How can it be lost?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: eheh
[23:37] <BUGabundo> try finding it
[23:37] <BUGabundo> i' file sooo many bugs per cycle
[23:37] <Pici> You should have an email that you filed it
[23:37] <BUGabundo> and LP is not easy to search, unf
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Pici: I do keep all my emails
[23:37] <BUGabundo> but its like 80GiBs of it
[23:38] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/?field.searchtext=drive&orderby=-importance&search=Search&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=bugabundo&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY
[23:39] <BUGabundo> zero hits :(
[23:40] <Pici> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/348626 perhaps? (I didnt read backscroll)
[23:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 348626 in network-manager "SiS laptop only boots with noacpi and wifi wont work" [Undecided,Invalid]
[23:40] <BUGabundo> nope
[23:40] <BUGabundo> I don't own SiS luckly
[23:40] <BUGabundo> even dough I file several bugs about it
[23:40] <BUGabundo> but Sis doesn't support Linux all that good
[23:47] <bdmurray> bug 97387 is the closest one you've reported
[23:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 97387 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty] external hard drive wont be recognized after resume" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97387
[23:47] <BUGabundo> naa, its not external
[23:47] <BUGabundo> and I'm not sure i used this laptop with feisty
[23:47] <BUGabundo> I bought it in march last year
[23:48] <BUGabundo> ao it only hold hardy alpha and all later versions up to karmic
[23:50] <BUGabundo> never the less the bug I just filed for touchpad is valid for the dvd drive