[06:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted network-manager [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1.8.2-1ubuntu4]
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fonts-noto-cjk [amd64] (artful-proposed/main) [1:1.004+repack3-2] (kubuntu, personal-gunnarhj, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:46] <flexiondotorg> slangasek Who will be assisting the 17.10 Beta 1 iso spinning/release etc?
[12:46] <flexiondotorg> Beta 1 scheduled for August 31st.
[12:47] <flexiondotorg> I've started gathering the participating flavours.
[16:03] <tsimonq2> fwiw, Laney did Nusakan for last cycle's Beta 1, but looks like he's not in the chan
[16:06] <micahg> doesn't appear to be online
[16:27] <slangasek> flexiondotorg: looks like sil2100 might take point, and I'm working on getting things set up on the tracker.  Is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/62/manifest accurate to your understanding?
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828) has been added
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828) has been added
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828) has been added
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828) has been added
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron-lbaas-dashboard (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.0.0-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[19:49] <flexiondotorg> slangasek sil2100 From the feedback I've had so far, the tracker looks correct.
[20:30] <valorie> any guesses on when Kubuntu beta 1 will roll out for prelim testing?
[20:37] <slangasek> valorie: just now triggered the builds, now that flexiondotorg has confirmed whose should be built.  so, soon
[20:37] <slangasek> sil2100: ^^
[20:38] <valorie> ping sil2100 slangasek flexiondotorg - Kubuntu is participating in beta 1
[20:38] <valorie> cool
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828) has been added
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828) has been added
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] has been updated (20170828.1)
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] has been updated (20170828.1)
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828.2) has been added
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828.2) has been added
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] has been updated (20170828.1)
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] has been updated (20170828.1)
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: hunspell-dz (artful-proposed/primary) [0.1.0-1]
[21:33] <tsimonq2> What's up with the respin? ^^^^
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828.1) has been added
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828.1) has been added
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828.1) has been added
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] (20170828.1) has been added
[21:41] <slangasek> tsimonq2: is it a respin?  sorry, I overlooked that there were already builds posted for lubuntu which I didn't trigger; that was the batch trigger of all flavors for beta1
[21:43] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I'm just assuming respin because of timestamps with "20170828.1" and there's two sets of Lubuntu notifications
[21:43] <tsimonq2> slangasek: And ok, cool.
[21:43] <slangasek> tsimonq2: yes, it is a "respin" based on the scrollback that I overlooked :-)
[21:44] <tsimonq2> Alright :)
[21:48] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Being on the safe side here -- do metapackage updates (i.e. meta-kde or something) violate Feature Freeze?
[21:51] <slangasek> tsimonq2: they might; but I'm also not going to yell at flavors for changes they make to their own images
[21:51] <slangasek> although actually, now that I think of it
[21:51] <slangasek> sorry, that came out wrong ;)
[21:52] <slangasek> what I was going to say is, I think we might want a respin of all images again for beta-1 immediately, since I just now dropped resolvconf from the bootstrap set
[21:52] <slangasek> (it was in progress last week but had to be reverted until new systemd landed)
[21:52] <tsimonq2> ack
[21:55] <tsimonq2> Hmm, I'm new to having archive upload access (:P), if a package is blocked from migrating because an rdep fails autopkgtests, and I upload a new version that fixes them, does the rdep automatically get a retry against the blocked package, or do I have to do sometime to it?
[21:56] <tsimonq2> s/sometime/something/
[21:56] <tsimonq2> (that question should have probably went to #ubuntu-devel but whatever :) )
[21:57] <tsimonq2> Oh, nvm, I RTFM'ed
[21:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meta-kde [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [5:92] (kubuntu)
[21:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meta-kde [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/universe) [5:92] (kubuntu)
[21:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meta-kde [i386] (artful-proposed/universe) [5:92] (kubuntu)
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meta-kde [arm64] (artful-proposed/universe) [5:92] (kubuntu)
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meta-kde [s390x] (artful-proposed/universe) [5:92] (kubuntu)
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meta-kde [armhf] (artful-proposed/universe) [5:92] (kubuntu)
[21:59] <slangasek> tsimonq2: OOI which M did you R?
[22:01] <tsimonq2> slangasek: hm?
[22:01] <slangasek> tsimonq2: which manual did you read
[22:02] <tsimonq2> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#How_to_re-run_autopkgtests_with_dependencies_on_other_packages_in_the_proposed_pocket
[22:02] <slangasek> tsimonq2: ok.  which package are you uploading in order to fix - the failing package or the package that caused it to fail?
[22:03] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I'm looking to get nodejs to migrate
[22:03] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I uploaded fixes to node-tap and node-evp-bytestokey.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I *think* I figured it out (I can retry things now that I'm a member of ~motu, thankfully)
[22:05] <slangasek> tsimonq2: ok.  since node-evp-bytestokey has already migrated to artful, you don't need any special triggers, you just have to hit the retry button
[22:05] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Yep, and I did exactly that :)
[22:05]  * slangasek nods
[22:05] <tsimonq2> slangasek: What about node-tap?
[22:07] <slangasek> tsimonq2: that one shows autopkgtest regressions in its own revdeps that will need sorting... and you'll want to trigger a node-tap retest against node-tap+nodejs from -proposed in parallel to that
[22:07] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ack, thanks!
[22:08] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Also, mind giving the aforementioned meta-kde a review? ;)
[22:17] <slangasek> tsimonq2: heh, I said you could update metapackages; you neglected to mention you needed NEW review... ;)
[22:18] <tsimonq2> slangasek: That makes a difference? :P
[22:19] <slangasek> tsimonq2: one is asking the archive admins to do something, the other is not
[22:19] <tsimonq2> slangasek: True
[22:19] <tsimonq2> slangasek: My point is, does it make a difference irt Feature Freeze?
[22:19] <slangasek> this looks like a pretty major change from what was there in zesty; why the change?
[22:20] <tsimonq2> The Ubuntu delta does a lot of what's in Debian already
[22:20] <tsimonq2> i.e. package renames, etc.
[22:21] <slangasek> ok, but why *change*?  according to the last changelog these binary packages were all deliberately dropped because they are orthogonal to the kubuntu-meta package
[22:23] <tsimonq2> slangasek: These packages aren't provided by kubuntu-meta itself, but it's getting to a point where kubuntu-desktop might not have all of KDE (we've been having second thoughts about PIM) -- having a KDE-specific metapackage with non-Kubuntu packaging would be beneficial for people who want KDE Plasma without Kubuntu
[22:25] <tsimonq2> Why change? Well, it's getting closer to Debian and it provides metapackages that are beneficial for end users.
[22:25] <tsimonq2> (i.e. the same reason why lubuntu-meta and the lxde metapackages still exist independently)
[22:27] <tsimonq2> Specific entry:
[22:27] <tsimonq2> +  * Remove kde-standard, kde-full, kde-plasma-desktop and
[22:27] <tsimonq2> +    kde-plasma-netbook metapackages, kubuntu has its own meta packages
[22:27] <tsimonq2> (I think my point reflects why we should bring those back)
[22:45] <valorie> not netbook, for god's sake
[22:46] <tsimonq2> valorie: My point is, that should be dealt with in Debian
[22:46] <valorie> zombie, it is
[22:46] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I find this argument dubious; the role of flavor teams is precisely to curate the installed set of packages on behalf of Ubuntu users.  Who wants to install the not-Kubuntu KDE meta packages?
[22:47]  * valorie hands tsimonq2 the magick sword
[22:47] <slangasek> tsimonq2: btw, do you want to comment on Debian bug #872580 with whatever info is relevant?
[22:48] <tsimonq2> slangasek: meta-kde> "Who wants to install the not-Kubuntu KDE meta packages?" - you would be surprised, actually
[22:48] <tsimonq2> Regardless, on the flipside, I don't see a reason why the delta *should* exist
[22:48] <tsimonq2> slangasek: node-evp-bytestokey> sure
[22:48] <slangasek> sure; usually we don't have a delta because we blacklist such packages entirely ;)
[22:49] <tsimonq2> !info lxde
[22:49] <tsimonq2> slangasek: :P
[22:51] <slangasek> tsimonq2: that just shows that no one has blacklisted it *yet* :)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> slangasek: But I think blacklisting is besides the point, fwiw
[22:52] <tsimonq2> If we're going to blacklist it, why have any Ubuntu changes?
[22:53] <slangasek> I don't know?  I didn't make those changes
[22:54] <slangasek> I do think it's better to drop this package instead, but I won't block it.  However, I think the Kubuntu team should get a say in what's done with this package
[22:54] <tsimonq2> valorie, clivejo: ^^
[22:56] <valorie> well, acheronuk, not me
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxd (xenial-backports/main) [2.16-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04.1 => 2.17-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxd (zesty-backports/main) [2.16-0ubuntu2~ubuntu17.04.1 => 2.17-0ubuntu2~ubuntu17.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxd [source] (xenial-backports) [2.17-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04.1]
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxd [source] (zesty-backports) [2.17-0ubuntu2~ubuntu17.04.1]
[23:36] <slangasek> heh; resolvconf demotion hasn't taken effect yet because there have been no new publications to artful.  Guess I need to fix something.  Oh look, there's a source package that will migrate if I accept the new binaries synced from Debian :P
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fonts-noto-cjk [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1:1.004+repack3-2]
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meta-kde [arm64] (artful-proposed) [5:92]
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meta-kde [i386] (artful-proposed) [5:92]
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meta-kde [s390x] (artful-proposed) [5:92]
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meta-kde [amd64] (artful-proposed) [5:92]
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meta-kde [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [5:92]
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meta-kde [armhf] (artful-proposed) [5:92]
[23:58] <flexiondotorg> slangasek I've just heard that Xubuntu would like to participate in 17.10 Beta 1 as well.
[23:58] <valorie> yay!


 @KMyers which printer do you have for sale? And how much?
 It is a Bibo X2 Touch. I do need to perform a repair on it this week
 Do you know of anything that we can get this weekend?
 As far as?
 A basic 3D printer may be 100 m m by 100 m m by 200 mm
 Something small self-contained and low maintenance
 I throw away project one off
 The printer has a small issue that I need to fix on it. The pin that connects the feeder gear on extruder 2 fell out. I just need to pull apart the extruder to re-attach it
 BTW @AdamOutler
 @AdamOutler If you want to meet me later today at my office. I will bring the printer. You can try it over the weekend and let me know sometime next week if you want to buy it


[16:36] <throstur> how do I reduce the size of bzr repository packs? It's using like 1G of disk space
[17:12] <throstur> I ran bzr pack and it increased the size from 1G to 1.9G -.-
[20:33] <Peng> It saves backups
[20:33] <Peng> The working set of data is smaller (one hopes) but after "bzr pack" there's a backup of the entire repository
[20:33] <Peng> in .bzr/repository/obsolete_packs/
[20:34] <Peng> You can use "bzr pack --clean-obsolete-packs" to remove them


[00:20] <viliny> hi!
[00:21] <viliny> How do you kill the x server for nvidia driver update/installation?
[00:21] <viliny> i know it's stop gdm in gnome but this is xfce
[01:48] <viliny> Hey, so how do you guys access samba shares in xubuntu?
[01:48] <viliny> Thunar doesn't support them, right?
[02:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello Sysi
[04:20] <pteague> currently using koala... how do i change it so totem player doesn't keep popping up everytime i insert a dvd?
[04:23] <pteague> nm, just found it
[04:33] <faron> hello everybody hopefully all are well....I'm wondering,when uninstalling programs,synaptic gives a choice of "removal" OR "complete removal" which one should I choose ? Anybody have any suggestions ?
[04:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> faron,  complete removal also removes the dependencies....so to be sure I'd go for removal
[04:45] <LuYu> is there a graphical way to add SMB printers in xubuntu_
[04:59] <ojcme> Has anyone gotten globalmenu working on XFCE?
[05:26] <ojcme> Anyone there?
[05:58] <Scarra3> Hello
[06:08] <Scarra3> Ive hurd some really good things about XFCE can you give me some info about it?
[06:16] <Balsaq> Good morning Software Engineers, Masters of all that is Binary, and Casual Computer Operators...it is a pleasure to reside here, with you, in the lush binary rainforest known as....Xubuntu!
[06:22] <Scarra3> hey
[06:23] <Balsaq> hello Scarra3
[06:30] <Scarra3> So your and XFCE / Xubuntu user? What do you think about it I am considering switching from gnomee to xubuntu
[06:31] <Balsaq> i love xubuntu
[06:31] <Scarra3> Can you give me some info about it
[06:31] <Balsaq> but it is on a computer in my basement so i use it less in the winter
[06:31] <Balsaq> well lets see...
[06:32] <Balsaq> it installs easier and faster thatn anyhting i have ever seen
[06:32] <Balsaq> all i havd to add was flash (restricted extras_
[06:32] <Balsaq> my sound, printer and all worked
[06:33] <Balsaq> it is so fast on 512 rdram i can hardley see the changes happen on screen
[06:33] <Balsaq> and it never breaks, hesititates or becomes confused...ever.
[06:34] <Balsaq> it boots in 43 seconds from off to the internet too....on an old single core p4
[06:34] <Scarra3> Awesome what does yours look like im trying to get some theme ideas
[06:35] <Balsaq> i use the plain bule sky background which is a standard choice of xubuntu and i use the regular icons...i didnt maniplute it at all...i love it lean and mean (9.04)
[06:35] <Balsaq> it reminds me a bit of Jack Dempsy in his prime
[06:35] <Scarra3> Ill try it out then
[06:36] <Scarra3> Do you program or something Balsaq
[06:36] <Balsaq> its so good...i can hardley believe it
[06:36] <Balsaq> no i do not actually know the code...but respect those that do (workin on it)
[06:36] <Balsaq> the support here is fabulous too...
[06:37] <Balsaq> i am new as of Oct 09
[06:37] <Scarra3> Wow what language
[06:37] <Balsaq> english and a touch of spanish and some french that i forgot
[06:37] <Scarra3> I mean programming language are you learning
[06:38] <Balsaq> none yet
[06:38] <Balsaq> python would be my 1st one
[06:38] <Balsaq> gotta get that going though...workina lot of hour lately though
[06:39] <Balsaq> do you know the code Scarrra3?
[06:39] <Scarra3> Java
[06:40] <Balsaq> i have attmepted to contribute some artwork to this project , but thats it
[06:41] <Balsaq> is sun java better than java?
[06:41] <Scarra3> Um sun java is the same as regular java
[06:42] <Scarra3> The language was made by Sun Microsystems'
[06:42] <Balsaq> cool...cause when i installed open office on one of my computers,,,it now seems i have 2 javas
[06:43] <Balsaq> who knew
[08:57] <jaspervdj> So, while I'm an Archlinux user, I'm searching for an easy to use linux distribution for a mate. However, it's meant for old machine (only 256MB ram)... can xubuntu run decently on that?
[08:58] <jaspervdj> Oh, never mind, it's explained on http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[12:47]  * kng to
[13:23] <pteague> what exactly is the speech-dispatcher?
[13:24] <pteague> & is it really required for xubuntu?
[13:34] <bazhang> !info speech-dispatcher | pteague
[13:57] <pteague> was going through the differences between my old /etc/passwd & /etc/group files compared to the new & noticed the addition on the fresh install
[15:03] <migis> hello
[15:48] <slow-motion> hi
[15:49] <dbdii407> It's going this "stop clicking clicking" thing again
[15:50] <dbdii407> Oops. "Stop clicking"
[15:54] <dbdii407> This is getting /very/ annoying. No matter what mouse I use
[15:56] <axle> hi there!
[15:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> hi
[15:59] <axle> I've got a problem with creating a launcher on the desktop... there is a executable file that launches a program, and i need to create a launcher for this executable. the problem is, it needs to be executed from inside it's directory to work. and giving the launcher a command like "cd /go/to/dir && ./executable" does not work... a sh.-file which does the same works fine, only i can't give it a different icon :/
[16:04] <dbdii407> Okay! This is annoying.
[16:04] <likemindead> Eh?
[16:05] <dbdii407> Amazing cause in a previous release, I could just unplug my mouse and it would work again. That isn't fixing it now. :|
[16:09] <likemindead> USB or bluetooth?
[16:11] <dbdii407> USB
[16:11] <dbdii407> I've reported this issue many times.
[16:12] <likemindead> Wireless?
[16:12] <dbdii407> Doesn't matter. It does it wireless or not
[16:12] <likemindead> Strange. I've never experience that. Sorry...
[16:12] <dbdii407> Ugh.....
[16:13] <dbdii407> I JUST logged into this thing
[16:14] <likemindead> What "thing" ?
[16:14] <dbdii407> The computer.
[16:14] <dbdii407> What else?
[16:14] <freaky[t]> the window manager ;)
[16:15] <dbdii407> I find this very retarded. The last release of xUbuntu where you open a terminal and it takes up the entire screen, doesn't even do this
[16:16] <dbdii407> after that release, the two-three after that i can just unplug my mouse and it works again
[16:16] <dbdii407> after that, i have to RESTART
[16:16] <likemindead> I never experienced that either.
[16:16] <likemindead> Mice are cheap. Try another.
[16:16] <dbdii407> I did
[16:16] <dbdii407> I've tried about 5
[16:16] <likemindead> Yikes.
[16:17] <likemindead> That must be some weird USB port your machine has. :-\
[16:17] <dbdii407> Highly doubt it's that either.
[16:17] <dbdii407> No matter where i plug it in, still does it
[16:18] <likemindead> Are there many folks around the interwebs echoing the same issue?
[16:18] <dbdii407> If you google, yes
[16:18] <likemindead> I have Xubuntu on numerous machines to no avail. :D
[16:18] <dbdii407> But, I can't bring up firefox
[16:19] <TheSheep> dbdii407: anything relevant in dmesg?
[16:20] <dbdii407> TheSheep, Umm?
[16:20] <TheSheep> dbdii407: open a terminal and type 'dmesg'
[16:20] <TheSheep> dbdii407: should display you kernel messages
[16:20] <dbdii407> No command found
[16:20] <TheSheep> without the quotes
[16:20] <dbdii407> No command found
[16:21] <TheSheep> taht would be "Comamnd not found"
[16:21] <TheSheep> unless you have some really weird version of xubuntu
[16:21] <dbdii407> I guess you don't want me to install util-linux?
[16:22] <TheSheep> dmesg should be installed by default
[16:22] <TheSheep> is that a custom installation?
[16:22] <dbdii407> Got it
[16:22] <dbdii407> Terminal was freaking out
[16:22] <dbdii407> (Like usual)
[16:23] <dbdii407> What am I looking for
[16:23] <dbdii407> It shows my mouse at the bottom
[16:23]  * likemindead uses Tilda FTW!
[16:23] <TheSheep> messages about usb at the end
[16:23] <TheSheep> or the bus
[16:23] <dbdii407> I see that. Now what?
[16:23] <TheSheep> can you pastebin them?
[16:23] <dbdii407> Nope
[16:24] <dbdii407> I can't copy
[16:24] <likemindead> ...
[16:24] <likemindead> Are you sure you're not trolling? :-\
[16:24] <dbdii407> Do you WANT a pic?
[16:24] <TheSheep> that'd work too
[16:24] <TheSheep> likemindead: I think he's just pissed off :)
[16:25] <dbdii407> TheSheep, Will that work?
[16:25] <TheSheep> sure, go ahead
[16:25] <likemindead> Sorry, I don't mean to offend.
[16:26] <dbdii407> I've dealt with this problem for about 2 years. I'm really sick of it
[16:26] <TheSheep> likemindead: I know
[16:26] <TheSheep> dbdii407: 2 years is a lot of patience
[16:26] <likemindead> Have you tried other distros, Live CDs?
[16:27] <TheSheep> dbdii407: since we didn't have similar problems, chances are this is a hardware ailure or just badly supported combination of hardware
[16:27] <TheSheep> s/ailure/failure
[16:27] <dbdii407> likemindead, It doesn't do this on Ubuntu
[16:28] <likemindead> Ah... Xfce issue then?
[16:28] <likemindead> Maybe try the Linux Mint Xfce Community Edition?
[16:31] <TheSheep> sorry, I just cut myself, gotta go look for a patch
[16:31] <dbdii407> I'm not switching
[16:32] <TheSheep> likemindead: whatever is different in that distro, could be fixed in this one too
[16:33] <likemindead> Well... best of luck.
[16:34] <dbdii407> TheSheep, http://twitpic.com/16yvff
[16:39] <TheSheep> dbdii407: that looks normal, no errors :(
[16:40] <TheSheep> does it stop working predictably?
[16:40] <dbdii407> Ugh......
[16:40] <TheSheep> like after a certain time, or after you do something?
[16:41] <TheSheep> or is it random?
[16:41] <dbdii407> 1 day
[16:41] <dbdii407> if lucky 2
[16:41] <TheSheep> do you hibernate or suspend your computer?
[16:42] <dbdii407> Never. If you look at that pic and the terminal title, I run an IRC bot
[16:44] <dbdii407> unless there's some way idk that can keep it running
[16:44] <TheSheep> you'd normally put it on some server
[16:44] <TheSheep> if you've got access to one, that is
[16:45] <TheSheep> your /dev/input directory has to have lots of files by now, I suppose
[16:45] <TheSheep> can you do ls -al /dev/input and see what the rights to the files are?
[16:45] <dbdii407> I'm not really comfortable placing my bot on another computer
[16:46] <dbdii407> Sure.
[16:46] <dbdii407> all root
[16:46] <dbdii407> mice, mouse0 -> 2
[16:49] <dbdii407> TheSheep, do you have an idea? I need to get back to development
[16:49] <TheSheep> dbdii407: sorry, nothing comes to my mind
[16:49] <dbdii407> Okay. I'm gonna do a restart
[16:50] <TheSheep> dbdii407: you say it only happes on xubuntu and not on ubuntu?
[16:50] <Kangarooo> screen shots saving in png but what programm by default opens it? yester day it still was rosseta now somehow thats changed to mozzila thunderbird. wtf? how its possible that some settings are changed?
[16:51] <Kangarooo> also just got one bug i was in home folder and deleted text file with shift delete and then enter and thunar closed..
[16:51] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: it happens to me after every update, I just switch it back to whatever I use in the file's properties
[16:51] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: and yes, I wish someone would fix it :)
[16:52] <Kangarooo> is abug report made?
[16:52] <TheSheep> no idea
[16:52] <TheSheep> I'm too lazy :P
[16:52] <Kangarooo> what packege name of default aplication setings holder?
[16:53] <TheSheep> I supppose it wouild be xubuntu-default-settings
[16:54] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: heres existing bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/458148 write how it hapens to u
[16:55] <Kangarooo> i now added that package
[16:55] <TheSheep> fun
[16:56] <TheSheep> I think it's a more general problem
[16:56] <TheSheep> but I don't know the solution
[17:07] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: just write that it happens to u too. the more comments the faster it will be fixed
[17:08] <Kangarooo> if u have seen that it happens after each update write that
[17:37] <Kangarooo> what rss programms can u recomend? witch is lightweight?
[17:37] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: u dont want to comment in that bug?
[17:39] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: I used liferea for some time
[17:40] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: switched to google reader later
[17:41] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: I'd better not get too involved, being a sociopath I might break something ;)
[17:41] <Kangarooo> so now u on web? or google reader has program?
[17:41] <TheSheep> no, on the web
[17:41] <TheSheep> mostly because it works on my phonw
[17:41] <TheSheep> phone
[17:42] <Kangarooo> no u not sociopath u just incubating thats all. :)
[17:43] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: I have an official diagnose :)
[17:44] <Kangarooo> yeah well we all know usa medical system is lightly saying bad and diplomas are useles.. thats why many doctors are already in usa couse they have knowledge. delete that diagnose
[17:45] <Kangarooo> i mean from other countrys
[17:46] <Kangarooo> sociopath can be also sayd as person who has its own opinion and having its own private time incubating- getting ready.
[17:46] <TheSheep> don't worry about it
[17:47] <TheSheep> sorry for trolling
[17:51] <Kangarooo> yeah its ok. just make one small coment that it afects if u want. but it looks like u dont want
[18:41] <last_soldier> hola
[18:55] <last_soldier> alguien en el canal?
[19:26] <millman12345> ok so i have a question that maybe someone could help me with... i don't think it's xubuntu specific, but maybe someone can help nonetheless... whenever i plug in first start my laptop up, it won't automatically mount my usb flash drive the first few times i plug it in... sometimes i have to plug it in 10-12 times over the course of 5-10 minutes before it'll properly identify it as a mass storage device... it doesn't even show
[19:26] <millman12345> up in my /dev so i can't even manually mount it... when i plug it in and do a "dmesg" I get usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address "x" (where x increases by one every time I plug it in)... eventually i get the "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver..." message, but not ever within the first 5 minutes of trying... after it correctly detects it that first time, it automatically detects it perfectly every sub
[19:26] <millman12345> sequent time after that, until I restart the computer... then it does it all over again
[19:29] <millman12345> it's also worth noting that I'm on an old laptop with only usb 1.1 functionality and it's a usb 2.0 flash stick... but that shouldn't make a difference in theory... and like i said, once it works once, it works fine every time after that... also i am using the uhci_hcd module and i don't even have the ehci_hcd module loaded (i only say that because most people say it is a problem with the ehci_hcd module so i tried to do an rmm
[19:29] <millman12345> od for that module but it says it's not even installed in the first place... so that's not it)
[19:32] <millman12345> unfortunately, I can't stick around, but please feel free to post any suggestions to the channel and I will check the log later... thank you ahead of time
[19:50] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/531325 in #5 u say it will be in 4.8 but not for 10.04 ?
[19:51] <Kangarooo> sory #6
[19:54] <charlie-tca> correct
[19:55] <charlie-tca> It is not in lucid, It will be fixed when Xfce releases xfce 4.8
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: that bug should be fixed in the version after lucid
[20:03] <charlie-tca> but we won't know for sure until Xfce tells us
[20:03] <Kangarooo> why it will take so long time? bug is now triaged.. or done.. why cant that part put to universe?
[20:04] <mr_pouit> because we don't upload development releases in a LTS
[20:04] <mr_pouit> (Xfce 4.8 is scheduled for June 2010)
[20:16] <Kangarooo> omg no... again another bug
[20:16] <Kangarooo> thunar not responding when selected many files and pressing enter
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Are you using detailed view?
[20:36] <Kangarooo> no
[20:36] <Kangarooo> defaul icons view. im trying to not modify system so  i could make more bug reports about clean system
[20:38] <Kangarooo> when ill wont be able to find any new bug ill try to install something. im already getting bored and cant find new bugs so i tryd some twiter programms witch doesnt work and ill report them later also. when i started reporting a few days ago at first u wast in this channel i reported many bugs about xubuntu clean system
[20:38] <Kangarooo> and its default programms
[20:39] <Kangarooo> here read my last comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/69883 and try doing that
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Well, right now there are 82376 open bugs in Ubuntu. Not all of those are going to get fixed.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> The developers have to pick the most important bugs to fix first.
[20:51] <Kangarooo> i think better make thouse who are the most used bugs. becouse of them people go away from ubuntu. but if they wouldnt be able to see thouse bugs they would stay and even after year help develop or fix
[20:51] <Kangarooo> i mean in most used actions.
[20:52] <Kangarooo> affecting most times and most users
[20:58] <last_soldier> hi
[20:59] <last_soldier> what downloader was recomended for xubuntu?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> To get the cd? bittorrent
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I think transmission is installed by default
[21:00] <last_soldier> for https and ftp.
[21:00] <last_soldier> protocol
[21:01] <charlie-tca> user's choice
[21:01] <charlie-tca> I use gftp
[21:01] <Kangarooo> that way more people would stay on ubuntu`s and as some percentage of users help/start developin/fixing the more its neede to keep them long enough on ubuntus and that can be achieved with fixing most easyr accesable bugs. like 1px slider bug witch affect all firefox users. on lcean system firefox is so its afecting all
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I use DownThemAll firefox extension, too. I find it faster than the standard downloading
[21:03] <last_soldier> gwget ideal for gnome.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Yeah, you can use that for xubuntu, too, if you like it.
[21:03] <last_soldier> for xubuntu?
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Sure
[21:04] <charlie-tca> You can use most gnome applications in Xubuntu.
[21:05] <last_soldier> jeje thanks
[21:05] <last_soldier> i now
[21:07] <last_soldier> like xubuntu, is very fast.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Great! Glad to hear it is working well for you.
[21:09] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: can u explain whats subrepertory? i cant redo this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/520118
[21:09] <Kangarooo> a folder?
[21:10] <charlie-tca> It is a folder.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> and that bug happens in lucid
[21:11] <Kangarooo> ah ok . yes 9.10 it doesnt happen
[21:16] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: i have one idea why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/458148 happens. can u tell me how to see what was upadted since clen system installation?
[21:18] <Vince__> Hello
[21:19] <Kangarooo> im guessing rosetra was updated and while update happens some updating proces dpkg (actually i think it depacks but maybe it works like doiing something more) or something else while updating has put next in line programm for picture file opening as default.
[21:19] <mattpc> hello
[21:20] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: what command give list of updated things?
[21:20] <Vince__> Ok, i'm havin an issue using xubuntu more specifically with eth0
[21:20] <mattpc> how can I find the folder that XChat is installed in?
[21:20] <mattpc> I downloaded a file on IRC and I can't find it
[21:21] <Vince__> I'm behind a router i have DHCP activated but I can't get the sistem online
[21:21] <mattpc> nevermind, I found it
[21:21] <mattpc> it was hidden :-)
[21:21] <Kangarooo> mattpc: open home folder and ctrl+h shows hiden files
[21:21] <Vince__> Also tried connecting the cable directly to the modem but didn't work
[21:21] <Vince__> Any ideas?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I really don't know all that. I don't know why bugs happen.
[21:22] <Kangarooo> yeah bug command for list of last updated packages?
[21:22] <Kangarooo> that u know? :)
[21:22] <mattpc> QUESTION:  I am trying to play an mp3 in Exaile and I get a message that says "You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins."  what do I do?
[21:22] <mattpc> I've been using Xubuntu for only a few hours
[21:22] <charlie-tca> you mean apt-cache policy package?
[21:23] <Kangarooo> mattpc: open add.remove and take list all awailable programm and search xubuntu restricted extras
[21:23] <slow-motion> n8
[21:23] <Vince__> Also I have downloaded the "drivers" for the wireless card but I don't know how install them
[21:24] <Vince__> Anyone can give me some "howto" step by step?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> !wireless | Vince__
[21:24] <Vince__> thx
[21:24] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: no it will only show some info for one package. but for last update what command gives whats been updated in last update?
[21:25] <mattpc> Kangaroo - ok its installing now
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know that command. try apt-get --help or apt-file --help
[21:28] <mattpc> Kangaroo - it worked thanks!
[21:30] <mattpc> Kangaroo - can you tell me why XChat loads up whenever I reboot the computer?  its not in my sessions & startup programs, and I am not saving sessions when I log off?
[21:33] <Kangarooo> mattpc: u have xubuntu? when installed xchat? and from synaptic or apt-get yes?
[21:36] <mattpc> yeah
[21:36] <mattpc> came with it
[21:36] <Kangarooo> no.. xubuntu clean installation is without xchat
[21:37] <charlie-tca> xubuntu installs xchat by default
[21:37] <mr_pouit> yeah
[21:38] <Kangarooo> i dl and installed xubuntu 9.10 week ago i didnt have xchat
[21:38] <charlie-tca> You should not be downloading it from anywhere. It is already installed in 9.10.
[21:39] <Kangarooo> mattpc: i found that this autostart bug has been reported but not on launchpad. and its reported in latest release witch hasnt been updated for at least half year
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Something is wrong witht he installation if it did not install
[21:39] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: no no really i didnt have xchat
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Then something was wrong with the installation
[21:39] <Kangarooo> i installed in last week time 6 computers
[21:40] <Kangarooo> everyone has pidgin
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Are you using the xubuntu cd?
[21:40] <Kangarooo> from xubuntu website
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I do installs everyday, and xchat always installs
[21:40] <Kangarooo> also in live mode xchat wasnt there
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Gnome-xchat does not install, but xchat does. It is in Applications -> Network
[21:41] <charlie-tca> yes it is there
[21:41] <Kangarooo> what was the command to check ubuntu version maybe u talking about 10.04 ?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I am talking about all versions since 8.04
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I have tested every one of them, and xchat always installs
[21:42] <Kangarooo> no. i dl from xubuntu website and it doesnt have
[21:42] <Kangarooo> ok ill put cd in sen u screen shot only tell me in witch folder to look
[21:43] <charlie-tca> It is in Applications -> Network
[21:44] <mr_pouit> and it's definitely installed by default, at least in karmic & lucid
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Maybe you should download from a different server. It sounds like the one you are using has bad copies
[21:44] <administrador> Hello, do you Know if there are a xubuntu irc chanel in spanish
[21:45] <charlie-tca> !spanish
[21:45] <charlie-tca> but it is a ubuntu channel. We don't have an Xubuntu specific spanish channel
[21:45] <Kangarooo> i just put cd and used finder only what to use find or locate? both didnt find xchat also looking in hidden files
[21:45] <administrador> thanks!
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Then you need to get a different image
[21:47] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: heres /media/cdrom0/dists/karmic/Release http://paste.ubuntu.com/389869/
[21:48] <charlie-tca> That is not a complete file list
[21:50] <Kangarooo> i chached all folders not so much.. i even dont understand where all files are. where then i should look?
[21:51] <mr_pouit> dpkg -l '*xchat*'
[21:51] <Kangarooo> how to know whats in cd if its put in linux?
[21:52] <Kangarooo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/389872/
[21:52] <mr_pouit> so it's installed
[21:53] <Kangarooo> its showing something about xchat maybe couse i installed it today and removed it to check if one bug still exists for it. ill do that same command tomorow at one friend to who i installed xubuntu 9.10 this week from same iso burned to cd
[21:53] <mr_pouit> mmh, wait no, you removed it
[21:54] <Kangarooo> is there a command to see when it was installed and when removed? i installed it today 2 times and 2 times removed
[21:55] <Kangarooo> and dowloaded i from xubuntu.com europe and it opened this page http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.10/release/
[21:55] <mr_pouit> you can see the log for all previous actions of your package manager in /var/log/apt/term.log for example
[21:56] <Kangarooo> ok ill postebin it
[21:57] <Kangarooo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/389875/
[21:58] <mr_pouit> yeah? so you removed it today at 14:52:53
[21:58] <knome> line 2153: Removing xchat ...
[21:58] <mr_pouit> reinstalled at 14:55:31
[21:59] <mr_pouit> and removed again at 14:56:52
[21:59] <Kangarooo> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:23:09 UTC  its in first file. but u say xchat already from 8.04 in xubuntu? i cant remember now but maybe it also wasnt in 8.04
[21:59] <mr_pouit> so it was installed :}
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: please stop trying to pick everything apart
[22:00] <Kangarooo> is all aptitude commands showing in there? all i did i installed couse it wasnt installed and removed and installed again and removed again with aptitude install/remove
[22:00] <mr_pouit> (it is installed by default since intrepid btw)
[22:01] <Kangarooo> no this is serious bug then. tomorow ill post the same that dpkg -l '*xchat*' from another pc
[22:01] <mr_pouit> pleas don't
[22:01] <mr_pouit> it is installed by default in xubuntu, please stop arguing about that
[22:02] <Kangarooo> its showing that it was removed before that it was installed and before that removed but theres missing one more install.
[22:02] <mr_pouit> well, it can't be removed if it wasn't installed first…
[22:02] <knome> Kangarooo, it is installed by default. end of conversation.
[22:03] <Kangarooo> i think maybe someone who knows aptitude can tell why that one install is missing
[22:03] <Kangarooo> no its not
[22:03] <Kangarooo> try urself dl iso and try cd
[22:03] <Kangarooo> i have 2 cds of same image iso
[22:03] <mr_pouit> no, you try
[22:03] <knome> Kangarooo, finding bugs for us is great, but sometimes when you try too hard, it only gives us more work. which means we are not able to fix that many bugs.
[22:03] <knome> Kangarooo, charlie-tca downloads the iso's EVERY DAY and tests them. xchat IS installed by default.
[22:04] <Kangarooo> ok ill now go to live cd and do the same command ok? ill be in pidgin after 10 min
[22:04] <mr_pouit> look at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.manifest, it's the list of package contained in the cd
[22:04] <mr_pouit> *packages
[22:04] <mr_pouit> and xchat is in there
[22:05] <Kangarooo> yes xchat is listed in manifest 2 files located in file:///media/cdrom0/casper/filesystem.manifest-desktop
[22:06] <Kangarooo> but as i sayd ill be in 10min in pidgin with live cd
[22:07] <ryan_> i've tried adding a script to /Desktop/Autostart, which moved it to .config/autostart, with a desktop file - neither worked, and i tried a ~/.xinitrc
[22:07] <mr_pouit> but you can keep on being convinced that xchat isn't installed by default, even if it's wrong :)
[22:07] <mr_pouit> ryan_: what are you trying to do?
[22:07] <ryan_> file, im trying to run xmodmap, when the xfce session starts
[22:07] <ryan_> to remap some keys
[22:07] <mr_pouit> ryan_: mmh, a .Xmodmap file doesn't work?
[22:08] <ryan_> i have an xmodmap file
[22:08] <ryan_> which is part of a git repo
[22:08] <mr_pouit> I don't remember exactly, I'm not sure if it's taken into account by xfce4-settings or not
[22:08] <ryan_> so i wanted to tell xmodmap to look there, explicitly
[22:08] <ryan_> i guess, i could symlink it
[22:10] <ryan_> well im here,
[22:10] <ryan_> im also trying to
[22:10] <ryan_> set that dontzap feature
[22:11] <ryan_> on session startup
[22:11] <ryan_> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[22:11] <ryan_> i found that, which works for me
[22:11] <ryan_> but where should i put it , to get it to run ?
[22:20] <xchat> i am not installed on clean system. kangaroo is right
[22:21] <mr_pouit> …
[22:27] <knome> Kangarooo, hello. can i PM you?
[22:29] <Kangarooo> yes now im back in installed system. it was in live cd so im assuming that its also installed on other pcs also and it was installed on mine but i havent seen it maybe thats my blindspot. and it wasnt showing that i was installing it 2x couse it was already installed
[22:29] <Kangarooo> in that var/ log file
[22:44] <Kangarooo> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot637.php# theres next to clock Mixer and left to him new icon that wasnt after update yesterday.
[22:45] <Kangarooo> but now it showed up and 1. why did it came up? 2. cant remove it left clicking it.
[22:49] <charlie-tca> That icon came from the developer adding the notify-osd stuff to xfce mixer
[22:49] <Kangarooo> wow mixer properties also different
[22:49] <mr_pouit> which icon exactly?
[22:49] <mr_pouit> the one with a red cross,
[22:49] <mr_pouit> ?
[22:49] <Kangarooo> yes
[22:50] <mr_pouit> afaik, it's the gnome mixer
[22:50] <charlie-tca> I think you can get rid of it by opening Applications -> Session and Startup -> go to Application Autostart tab, uncheck Volume Control
[22:51] <charlie-tca> But it really doesn't make any difference, either, if it stays there
[22:56] <Kangarooo> hmm i think i today saw that when i change volume u know then comes up notifier.. it had red cross and still sound coming but now when i try to replicate that pressing on keyboard mute and also making sound to max now i cant.
[22:56] <Kangarooo> ok that maybe someone else will be able to replicate now i cant anymore but new bug i got. mute doesnt un-mute
[22:56] <charlie-tca> It happens when you restart. I don't know how to reproduce it except restarting, though
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Then you have to left-click the speaker, unmute in properties, click close
[22:57] <Kangarooo> another strange thing .. i closed that new icons properties and icon went away
[22:57] <Kangarooo> ah no it changed. soory
[22:58] <Kangarooo> ah yes becouse i unmuted it in properties
[22:58] <charlie-tca> good
[22:58] <charlie-tca> We seem to have all that fixed in lucid. I am hoping it will work, anyway
[22:59] <Kangarooo> im thinking maybe dl lucid and try to make it faster better by finding all bugs in there. maybe those bugs will be faster fixed? i already asked similar question yesterday i think
[23:00] <charlie-tca> They might, but the developers still have to have time to fix them.
[23:01] <charlie-tca> If we report them soon enough, some will get fixed
[23:01] <charlie-tca> but some days lucid don't work at all, too
[23:02] <charlie-tca> If you install lucid on a system you have to use, it can be a big problem.
[23:03] <Kangarooo> yeeees.; ok. and this mixer? the new one will go away on some of next updates?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> no, not in karmic
[23:05] <charlie-tca> you just ignore it
[23:06] <Kangarooo> should i report bug about the new one? when new one preferences is opened and on keyboard pressed mute and then un-mute it doesnt un-mute. when preferences closed and it.. oh wait ill make video
[23:07] <charlie-tca> It has been reported
[23:09] <Kangarooo> can u give me link?
[23:11] <mr_pouit> Bug #378470
[23:11] <mr_pouit> (but no need to add another comment, it's already a known issue, and won't be fixed in karmic)
[23:12] <Kangarooo> similar in some way https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/401294
[23:14] <Kangarooo> i see that bug is having last post 2months ago. why im getting this bug only now?
[23:14] <Kangarooo> this then maybe is different im having?
[23:22] <knome> Kangarooo, it's surely the same one.
[23:36] <charlie-tca> bug 378470
[23:44] <robinking623> gays, I have a really weird problem with my old laptop. the xubuntu crashed down but the mouse still worked
[23:46] <charlie-tca> What was on the screen after the crash? did it turn black or just the panels disappear, or what?
[23:48] <robinking623> charlie-tca: it freezed
[23:48] <robinking623> charlie-tca: just like nothing happened
[23:49] <robinking623> charlie-tca: and my mouse can still move but without clicking, keyboard doesnot work
[23:49] <knome> !language | robinking623
[23:50] <robinking623> knome: ?
[23:51] <robinking623> !language | knome
[23:51] <knome> excuse me?
[23:51] <robinking623> knome: you just send that tome
[23:51] <robinking623> knome: oh, sorry .tip fehler
[23:52] <robinking623> knome: should be "guys"
[23:52] <knome> robinking623, no problem. no offense meant.
[23:52] <charlie-tca> What were you doing when it froze?
[23:53] <robinking623> charlie-tca: with the power off and .......
[23:53] <robinking623> charlie-tca: oh, you mean what I was doing?
[23:53] <robinking623> charlie-tca: everytime different
[23:53] <charlie-tca> What application were you using. You just turned the system on?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> do you have a live cd?
[23:54] <robinking623> charlie-tca: no. sometimes I try to input something and sometimes I just move the mouse
[23:54] <robinking623> charlie-tca: yes
[23:54] <charlie-tca> try running the memory test
[23:55] <charlie-tca> If it is freezing at different times, something hardware is usually causing it
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Make sure all the plugs are tight
[23:55] <robinking623> charlie-tca: but when I am using windows it is ok.......
[23:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:56] <charlie-tca> microsoft uses lots of tricks to make it look like it is okay
[23:56] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I think I can also running the memtest with grup select
[23:56] <robinking623> charlie-tca: lol
[23:56] <robinking623> charlie-tca: ok. I will just do it
[23:56] <charlie-tca> okay, grub memory test should work, but you have to run that test for a while, like a couple of hours at least
[23:57] <charlie-tca> How much memory is in the system?
[23:57] <robinking623> charlie-tca: 512mb
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Drive is not full, is it?
[23:58] <robinking623> charlie-tca: no. now I have only xubuntu on it.
[23:58] <robinking623> charlie-tca: harddisk is 20gb
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Running out of drive space, no swap partition, loose plug on the mouse or keyboard, bad memory, too many applications running at one time
[23:59] <charlie-tca> hmm
[23:59] <charlie-tca> this is not after suspend or hibernate?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> or screensaver?


[00:04] <sinzui> wgrant: mumble?
[00:07] <sinzui> lifeless: I thought expiration was 60 days. That bug was commented 33 days ago
[00:08] <lifeless> sinzui: I thought bugs went 'eligible for expiry in X days' and then 'marked for epxiry Y days ago'
[00:08] <lifeless> sinzui: I may be misunderstanding
[00:09] <lifeless> sinzui: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/616704 is a better example
[00:09] <_mup_> Bug #616704: Security package copy should copy packages to -updates immediately <lp-soyuz> <Launchpad itself:Incomplete> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/616704 >
[00:09] <sinzui> lifeless: Yes that should be expired
[00:09] <lifeless> sinzui: (not that that should be in this state, because bigjools was just asking a question)
[00:09] <lifeless> but  it demonstrates the issue well
[00:10] <sinzui> lifeless: The days marked is from the moment it qualifies to be expired...incomplete, un assigned, only one task etc...
[00:10] <lifeless> sinzui: so its not 60 + count, its 'will expire when count == 60' ?
[00:11] <sinzui> oh, did our db merging of projects break expiration for us?
[00:11] <sinzui> yes equality
[00:11] <lifeless> the phrasing is confusing then
[00:17] <poolie> o/ lifeless, sinzui
[00:21] <lifeless> hi poolie
[00:21] <lifeless> sinzui: I thought it used to say 'will expire in N days'.
[00:21] <lifeless> sinzui: in fact, I'm pretty sure it does.
[00:23] <sinzui> lifeless: it does say that
[00:24] <lifeless> sinzui: at what point does it switch to 'marked for expiry' ?
[00:25] <sinzui> when all the conditions are met when the status incomplete is set
[00:26] <sinzui> https://dev.launchpad.net/MaintenanceRotationSchedule
[00:28] <lifeless> sinzui: I don't see anything on that page relevant to this
[00:28] <sinzui> lifeless: sorry, that was for teal
[00:28] <lifeless> ;)
[00:32] <lifeless> sinzui: I think the 'marked for X days ago' turns up on the day it can expire
[00:32] <lifeless> sinzui: so I think X days ago is last-changed + 60
[00:32] <lifeless> 702022	Once a project is modified you can no longer modify the status		2011-01-14
[00:33] <lifeless> is 91 days ago
[00:33] <lifeless> and it shows 'marked 31 days ago'
[00:33] <lifeless> so, if its marked X days ago, it should have expired if bug expiry is working
[00:33] <sinzui> lifeless: Changed could be ambiguous. I think there is a specific date, like date_incomplete_without_followup
[00:33] <lifeless>  date_last_updated      | timestamp without time zone | not null default timezone('UTC'::text, now())
[00:34] <lifeless>  date_made_private      | timestamp without time zone |
[00:34] <lifeless>  who_made_private       | integer                     |
[00:34] <lifeless>  date_last_message      | timestamp without time zone |
[00:34] <lifeless> date_last_message is the one used
[00:34] <lifeless> but note that adding a message sets date_last_updated
[00:34] <lifeless> so date_last_message can only ever be older than date_last_updated
[00:41] <sinzui> lifeless: These three methods look like the issues affecting expiration, but I do not see what is a miss yet: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/593809/
[00:42] <sinzui> Sorry. I was missing the forth method from bgutaskset:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/593811/
[00:54] <lifeless> days-before-expiration is unset in prod, so default value of 60
[00:57] <lifeless>     enable_bug_expiration = BoolCol(dbName='enable_bug_expiration',
[00:57] <lifeless>         notNull=True, default=False)
[00:57] <lifeless>  is a simple lookup on product
[00:57] <lifeless> no fancy check-group stuff
[00:59] <lifeless> sinzui: it may be something simple, like not running the cronjob
[00:59] <sinzui> I was thinking the same
[01:00] <lifeless> or
[01:01] <lifeless> it may be that its running in a very slow loop over one project at a time
[01:01] <lifeless> with 20K+ projects that will perform very poorly.
[01:01] <sinzui> I see it in loganberry-launchpad to run "17 04 * * * "
[01:01] <sinzui> 10,000 projects have nothing in them
[01:01] <lifeless> yeah
[01:01] <lifeless> but its still 10K lookups
[01:01] <lifeless> when the DB knows
[01:01] <lifeless> and can do it in one hit.
[01:17] <lifeless> sinzui: it must be getting late for you
[01:17] <lifeless> sinzui: when did you want to talk ?
[01:18] <sinzui> lifeless. Nothing I have nothing conclusive to talk about it seams. I think teal needs to do a better job watching scope of the tasks it undertakes
[01:18] <sinzui> lifeless: Are you available tomorrow?
[01:20] <lifeless> sinzui: sure am
[01:21] <sinzui> I will ping you tommorow then
[01:21] <lifeless> cool
[01:21] <sinzui> or maybe tomorrow.
[01:21] <lifeless> Tomorrow, when the OOPS ended
[01:27] <cinerama> lifeless: lol
[01:33] <wgrant> lifeless: :( CPU graphs are odd this morning.
[01:33] <lifeless> wgrant: oh?
[01:33] <lifeless> cinerama: :)
[01:34] <wgrant> lifeless: There was a big drop right after the new appserver was activated, but not long later they returned to normal :(
[01:34] <lifeless> wgrant: well, thats to be expected
[01:34] <lifeless> wgrant: when the new appserver was turned off
[01:37] <wgrant> lifeless: Oh, it was turned off?
[01:37] <wgrant> Maybe there was another incident I haven't read about yet.
[01:37] <lifeless> ~2am your time
[01:37] <lifeless> yeah
[01:37] <wgrant> Aha.
[01:38] <lifeless> linked in -ops
[01:38] <wgrant> Yeah, found it.
[01:38] <wgrant> It's still down? :/
[01:39] <wgrant> Hmm.
[01:39] <wgrant> Odd.
[01:39] <lifeless> we should be able to run the smoketest and so on and bring it up
[01:42] <sinzui> lifeless: wgrant: mthaddon: was at the EOD when he decided to take the new server offline. He had made changes to give the server access to the internal librarian, but jelmer and I did not see them take affect
[01:43] <wgrant> sinzui: Do you know which rules?
[01:43] <lifeless> sinzui: yah, it was the right thing to do
[01:43] <wgrant> I suspect the restricted ports were forgotten.
[01:43] <wgrant> (I wish we had transparency here)
[01:44] <sinzui> wgrant: I think the same, but I do not know for certain
[01:45] <wgrant> Hopefully we will run out of fires in a few hours and be able to debug.
[02:09] <huwshimi> lifeless: I'm looking at a bunch bugs related to user profiles. Would it be appropriate to tag these all with "profile" or something?
[02:09] <lifeless> huwshimi: if you like
[02:09] <lifeless> huwshimi: basically, if its useful to you, do it.
[02:10] <huwshimi> lifeless: Just in regards to your email, I don't want to add more clutter (I know this is not an official tag).
[02:10] <lifeless> huwshimi: folk that are trying to avoid scope creep will often not want to fix clusters of bugs (because the cluster can include a ringer)
[02:10] <lifeless> huwshimi: I have no objection to large numbers of tags
[02:10] <lifeless> huwshimi: official tags are special because they always show up everywhere, even if not used much (or used so much they are not valuable, like the lp-* ones)
[02:11] <lifeless> huwshimi: I hope that helps
[02:12] <huwshimi> lifeless: Yes, thanks.
[02:21] <lifeless> mwhudson: hey
[02:21] <mwhudson> lifeless: hello
[02:21] <lifeless> mwhudson: does the branch rewriter script have a db statement timeout ?
[02:21] <lifeless> I suspect it doesn't
[02:22] <mwhudson> lifeless: i believe not, i think there may be a bug for this already
[02:22] <lifeless> there is
[02:22] <lifeless> its critical
[02:22] <lifeless> I'm proposing to make it 500ms
[02:22] <lifeless> how badly will the rewriter handle a timeout exception ?
[02:22] <lifeless> as in, will it die
[02:22] <lifeless> or shrug and move on?
[02:23] <mwhudson> lifeless: i don't know, i'd have to look at the code
[02:23] <lifeless> mwhudson: it looks like it will be ok to me.
[02:23] <mwhudson> actually, i'm pretty sure it will shrug
[02:44] <lifeless> mwhudson: do you think this needs tests? http://pastebin.com/3HHjiQkL
[02:44] <lifeless> mwhudson: [please say no]
[03:02] <mwhudson> lifeless: i dunno, could you monkey patch _getBranchIdAndTrailingPath and check that there is a request when it's called?
[03:03] <lifeless> mwhudson: I could, but it seems like a comment at the call site is as good insulation
[07:47] <huwshimi> lifeless: Is that bug about strikethroughs on closed bugs now a duplicate of bug #1924 now that we've changed the description?
[07:56] <lifeless> huwshimi: indeed
[08:12] <huwshimi> Should this bug be unassigned:https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/58784 ?
[08:12] <_mup_> Bug #58784: Spec page refers to non-existent "Specifications in grey" <feature> <lp-blueprints> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by sabdfl> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/58784 >
[08:17] <lifeless> heh
[08:17] <lifeless> I suspect so
[08:40] <lifeless> wgrant: dunno about you but today was a write off
[08:43] <StevenK> I managed to get 1.5 branches done. I was aiming for 2.5
[08:46] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, it was pretty hopeless.
[08:46] <wgrant> I'll hopefully get some stuff done tonight, though :/
[08:49] <lifeless> StevenK: nice
[09:01] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #638: FAILURE in 5 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/638/
[09:09] <adeuring> good morning
[09:12] <wgrant> Not really.
[09:13] <huwshimi> wgrant: Everyone's a bundle of laughs tonight :)
[09:13] <bigjools> morning
[09:34] <jml> huwshimi: hi
[09:35] <huwshimi> jml: Hey mate
[10:36] <bigjools> anyone know a way of making pdb break on a class?
[10:38] <lifeless> on definition?
[10:38] <lifeless> or construction ?
[10:46] <bigjools> lifeless: running any code inside a class
[10:46] <bigjools> it seems to want either filename:lineno or a function
[10:46] <lifeless> yeah
[10:46] <bigjools> the best I can do is put the class in its own file
[10:47] <lifeless> probably won't do base classes for you
[10:47] <bigjools> which is exactly what I want :/
[11:07] <bigjools> If I have an object that inherits from IHasOwner, I can't seem to use a custom launchpad.Edit security adapter because the EditByOwnersOrAdmins adapter is used - is there a way around that or do we have to just not use lp.Edit?
[11:28] <henninge> jtv: Hi!
[11:28] <jtv> hi
[11:28] <henninge> jtv:  I forgot: what is needed to trigger pottery processing on a branch, i.e. automatic template creation?
[11:28] <henninge> jtv: I know the branch needs an intltool setup. What else?
[11:29] <henninge> jtv: Is that usable for projects?
[11:29] <jtv> henninge: template imports enabled, POTFILES.in present, can't think of anything else right now.
[11:29] <jtv> Also, I'm not here.
[11:29] <henninge> jtv: thanks ;)
[11:45] <lifeless> bigjools: sorry, I don't know the answer. perhaps curtis/benji or gary would be good folk to ask
[11:46] <bigjools> lifeless: thanks, we can work around it my removing IHasOwner
[11:47] <lifeless> bigjools: perhaps justhave a more specific class first ?
[11:48] <bigjools> lifeless: yeah it's almost certainly down to ordering, but inherited classes come first it seems, not much you can do
[12:18] <jtv> bigjools: I marked the DSDs-with-identical-versions fix as qa-ok since it's safe to deploy, but haven't done proper Q/A on it.
[12:18] <jtv> Ah.
[12:18] <bigjools> jtv: I literally just tested them ok
[12:18] <jtv> There it goes.
[12:18] <bigjools> :)
[12:18] <jtv> Thanks.
[12:25] <jtv> Damn I hate it when this happens.  Spend hours chasing down a report of a tiny memory leak in libpqxx against one particular postgres version, and it's just valgrind crying foul murder over libnss caching two layers down.  :/
[12:25] <danilos> allenap, hi, are you OCR today? ;)
[12:25] <allenap> danilos: Yep. Whatchagot?
[12:26] <danilos> allenap, a nice little JS branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug728370-descriptions/+merge/57656 :)
[12:27] <allenap> danilos: Tip top.
[12:27] <danilos> allenap, thanks :)
[12:44] <danilos> allenap, I'll be logging out and back in, should be back shortly (if xchat keeps working with gnome3 running :)
[12:44] <allenap> danilos: Hehe :) No worries.
[13:17] <wallyworld> henninge: hi. there's a few translation imports that need reviewing. i'm not sure how to do that. are you or jtv still the best ones to ask?
[13:18] <henninge> wallyworld: probably. and danilos ;)
[13:19] <wallyworld> henninge: the last time i checked i don't think the required doco on what to do for us noobs had been fully developed?
[13:20] <henninge> wallyworld: I thought jtv had written something up.
[13:22] <wallyworld> henninge: yes, right you are. i'll take another look through it
[13:26] <wallyworld> henninge: "For now, if you get a request to review and approve a translations upload, it's still best to forward it to one of the former Translations crowd: Danilo, Henning, and Jeroen". i'll give it a go but be prepared that i may need to as questions :-)
[13:41] <danilos> allenap, hi, having any questions about the branch?
[13:42] <allenap> danilos: None yet; I just had my lunch :) I'm going through it now.
[13:42] <danilos> allenap, ok, thanks
[13:45] <henninge> wallyworld: we can look at a couple of them now if you want but I'll have my stand-up call in 15 min
[13:46] <wallyworld> henninge: it's ok. i'm reading through all the doc i can find. i'll see how i go and perhaps ask tomorrow if i get stuck. i just don't want to do something dumb
[13:47] <henninge> wallyworld: there are 13 entries in the queue so it should not be too hard
[13:48] <wallyworld> henninge: yep. and some are not that old so may yet be done by the cron job
[13:49] <henninge> wallyworld: possibly. Let's have a look at it together tomorrow.
[13:50] <wallyworld> kk
[14:05] <jml> beuno: did you write up UI guidelines for Launchpad?
[14:06] <jml> mpt: did you write up UI guidelines for Launchpad? Do they still exist? (I know of UserInterfaceWording only)
[14:07] <beuno> jml, nothing besides: https://dev.launchpad.net/UI/
[14:07] <jml> beuno: thanks.
[14:08] <mpt> jml, I wrote <https://launchpad.canonical.com/MatthewPaulThomas/BetterDesign/> (sorry, Canonical-only link) in 2008, but didn't have the opportunity to propose them as LP guidelines
[14:09] <jml> mpt: ok, thanks.
[14:09] <mpt> (Actually, most of that's from 2006)
[14:29] <allenap> jam: Would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~jstpierre/loggerhead/css-changes/+merge/56393? I don't really understand what he's doing :-/
[15:01] <adeuring> allenap, jcsackett: could one of you please review this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-746460-productseries/+merge/57685 ?
[15:02] <jcsackett> adeuring: sure
[15:02] <adeuring> jcsackett: thanks!
[15:04] <abentley> jml: can we chat about bug #758857?
[15:04] <_mup_> Bug #758857: Linked branch in translations sharing details page shows branch URL without lp:// prefix <exploratory-testing> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by abentley> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/758857 >
[15:07] <jml> abentley: sure
[15:07] <abentley> jml: mumble?
[15:07] <jml> abentley: yep.
[15:08] <jam> allenap: I'll give it a shot, though if his screenshots are accurate, something is wrong
[15:08] <allenap> jam: Cheers :)
[15:15] <rvba> jcsackett: Hi, could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/fix-package-diff-equal-versions/+merge/57686 ?
[15:16] <jcsackett> rvba: sure, it's next in the queue. :-)
[15:16] <rvba> jcsackett: great.
[15:17] <jml> abentley: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ssss/+edit-packaging
[15:18] <jml> abentley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/testtools/+subscriptions
[15:19] <sinzui> bigjools: do you have any insight into question https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/151985
[15:20] <bigjools> looking
[15:20] <wgrant> sinzui: I could not reproduce that locally with what I believe to be a broken sudo.
[15:20] <wgrant> I may try harder to verify the bad umask.
[15:21] <bigjools> it is certainly very coincidental with the broken sudo
[15:25] <bigjools> sinzui: since it's happening as far back as lucid, I suspect it's not the broken sudo actually.
[15:26] <bigjools> he's probably found a new bug, but my knowledge of recipes is not good enough to help without spending more time on this
[15:26] <sinzui> bigjools: I was thinking this permission issue related to the umask problem last week, but lamont believes that is fixed
[15:26] <bigjools> sinzui: the umask was done to paper over the sudo problem AFAIK
[15:27] <bigjools> and yes it was fixed
[15:27] <bigjools> fairly quickly :)
[15:27] <bigjools> it was natty only
[15:27] <sinzui> bigjools: understood
[15:28] <jcsackett> adeuring: r=me.
[15:28] <bigjools> sorry I can't be of more help
[15:31] <wgrant> bigjools: It wasn't natty-only :(
[15:31] <wgrant> bigjools: It's the system sudo.
[15:31] <bigjools> ah ok, thanks, I misunderstood then
[15:32] <bigjools> so it was the sudo outside the chroot?
[15:32] <wgrant> Right.
[15:32] <bigjools> oh dear
[15:32] <wgrant> In the original incident a few weeks ago only natty was majorly affected, because it was the majority of the builds.
[15:40] <jcsackett> rvba: r=me.
[15:41] <rvba> jcsackett: thanks.
[15:48] <danilos> allenap, hi, responded to your review :) I'd like to get your comments before I proceed to land this, because I mostly haven't changed anything (did say why not :)
[15:49] <danilos> allenap, also, I just checked, the slide-out/in effects take 0.4s, which is why 0.5 worked for me consistently
[15:51] <allenap> danilos: Cool, I'll take a look.
[15:58] <danilos> allenap, sorry if I missed anything you said, gnome3 crashed with keyboard layout change :/
[15:58] <allenap> danilos: Hah, no.
[15:59] <allenap> danilos: setup_bug_subscriptions() calls fill_in_bug_subscriptions() which appends to a list that *is* in the page's DOM.
[15:59] <danilos> allenap, right, but it doesn't get called before show_* function is called, and that one is called in 'domready'
[15:59] <allenap> danilos: Oops, I get it.
[16:00] <danilos> allenap, I originally had it inside 'domready' but figured there's no need... perhaps a comment would do :)
[16:00] <danilos> with "would do" == "is a must" ;)
[16:03] <allenap> danilos: Thanks for the response though. I'm still not a fan of using IDs as much as we do, but it's interesting to hear other people's approaches :)
[16:04] <danilos> allenap, heh, yeah  I'd love them even more if web page somehow failed to render if you've got duplicate IDs
[16:07] <adeuring> gary_poster: do you have time for a pre-imp call?
[16:08] <gary_poster> adeuring: yes, in...15 min or so?  Is that ok?
[16:08] <allenap> danilos: You said that there's no way for a browser to use a selector, except when a browser has the Selectors API. Can they not fall back to XPath? I assumed that's what YUI, jQuery, et al did.
[16:08] <adeuring> gary_poster: sure, thanks!
[16:08] <gary_poster> np, talk to you then
[16:09] <allenap> danilos: Perhaps I should code up a cheeky checkers that does a document.write("
Boom!
") when duplicate IDs are found ;)
[16:09] <danilos> allenap, yeah, selectors API is the querySelector* stuff; I assume that gets much easier for the platform when you narrow the scope because it's not just IDs it has to go through
[16:09] <danilos> allenap, heh, I wouldn't mind :)
[16:10] <danilos> allenap, anyway, I personally feel better asking in a more constrained set, perhaps it's totally irrelevant, but please don't make me do it in the entire document scope! pleaaaseee! ;)
[16:11] <danilos> allenap, also, doing it on a node is a sanity check at the same time: you haven't moved the element someplace else
[16:12] <allenap> danilos: I agree, always start from the narrower scope. Although I suspect that query by ID might be quicker in document scope (because the browser may optimize for that case), I think the difference is going to be minimal.
[16:13] <danilos> allenap, yeah, but there's also getElementById on the DOM node, so that should be even faster :)
[16:15] <danilos> allenap, btw, I've added a comment explaining the sequence of events, and now I am going to ec2 land the branch :) thanks again for the review!
[16:15] <allenap> danilos: Cool, and you're welcome :)
[16:16] <gary_poster> adeuring, actually I'm ready now.  I was overestimating for once, it seems. :-) I'm on Skype (garyposter) and mumble.  mumble is sometimes weird for me, but sometimes its fine, so either is worth a try. :-)
[16:16] <adeuring> gary_poster: cool. shall we  mumble?
[16:16] <gary_poster> sure
[16:17] <gary_poster> I'm in Yellow: 1-on-1.  Join me or drag me somewhere
[16:26] <jcsackett> benji: ping.
[16:38] <jcsackett> does anyone know how to restrict version when exporting a webservice collection? i know you can use as_of when exporting an entry, but that's not supported for collection.
[17:00] <jcsackett> sinzui: can you chat for a few minutes?
[17:00] <sinzui> yes
[17:08] <abentley> jcsackett: Do you mean a resource type?  Or an attribute of an object that is a collection?
[17:08] <jcsackett> abentley: the former, i think. e.g. exporting IQuestionSet using "export_as_webservice_collection"
[17:09] <abentley> jcsackett: It's a known issue that there is no way to restrict that to a particular version.
[17:09] <jcsackett> abentley: dig. thanks.
[17:12] <jcsackett> abentley: is there a bug already filed for it, do you know? i can't seem to find one for on lazr.restful
[17:13] <abentley> jcsackett: don't know.
[17:13] <jcsackett> abentley: okay, thanks. i'll dig around a bit.
[17:31] <jcsackett> sinzui: i have put up the MP and requested you as reviewer. https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/api-wants-questionset/+merge/57723
[17:31] <sinzui> jcsackett: thanks
[17:51] <rvba> jcsackett: another small fix ... could you have a look? https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/fix-packagediff-request-link/+merge/57727
[17:52] <jcsackett> rvba: sure
[17:59] <jcsackett> rbva: r=me. i mention in my comment there's an alternative way to do some of your testing, but it's just a suggestion, not block to landing.
[17:59] <rvba> jcsackett: thanks, I'll have a look right now.
[18:01] <rvba> jcsackett: it's a nice suggestion ... I think I'll keep it this way because I've factored the 2 asserts in a method that does a little bit more than just testing ... but I'll definitely do it next time.
[18:02] <jcsackett> rvba: dig.
[18:30] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #174: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/174/
[19:01] <adeuring> gary_poster: about the canAccess(), canWrite() methods we discussed: Any suggestions for an exception that should be raised if the number of participations is wrong?
[19:01] <adeuring> gary_poster: ValueError sounds quite generic to me... but I have no better idea
[19:06] <gary_poster> adeuring: if the number of participations in the current interaction is wrong, that is a NotImplementedError from the perspective of what we discussed before
[19:06] <gary_poster> Because if you make your own interaction, you can get the answer irrespective of the current one.
[19:06] <gary_poster> So there is a fix for this
[19:06] <adeuring> gary_poster: ah right, seems that it is too late here to ask such questions ;)
[19:07] <gary_poster> We just are not bothering with it for now.
[19:07] <gary_poster> :-) np at all
[19:52] <sinzui> jcsackett: do you have a moment to mumble?
[19:52] <jcsackett> i do.
[19:54] <lifeless> morning
[20:02] <adeuring> abentley: lp:~adeuring/launchpad/api-query-permissions-on-object (not yet submitted for review; will do that tomorrow -- it's alread 9pm for me)
[20:03] <abentley> adeuring: cool.
[20:06] <jcsackett> sinzui: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594169/
[20:32] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #175: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 4 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/175/
[20:37] <lifeless> flacoste: hi
[20:38] <flacoste> hi lifeless
[20:39] <lifeless> so, major outage
[20:39] <lifeless> I think we should talk about this on the blog
[20:44] <flacoste> lifeless: the switch thing? sure, care to write something? otherwise, we could ask mrevell, but he will need guidance
[20:44] <lifeless> I'll write something in mail and send it to a couple of internal lists for commentary
[21:21] <jcsackett> sinzui: changes pushed to the review branch.
[21:21] <jcsackett> i've also started in on the launchpadlib thing.
[21:24] <sinzui> jcsackett: thanks
[22:02] <thumper> morning
[22:24] <sinzui> jcsackett: r=me
[22:28] <poolie> jcsackett, the questionset api might be good to mention on the blog as a new feature
[22:32] <jcsackett> poolie: indeed. but first, finishing it. :-P
[22:33] <jcsackett> sinzui: thanks for the review. :-)
[22:35] <sinzui> poolie: We cannot do anything with the questions, nor can you search for them. It is only useful for hiding a comment on a question you know exists :(. I hope to hack on the seaarch and workflow methods of the next two weekends to make something I can personally use
[22:38] <poolie> heh, ok
[22:38] <poolie> you can't even look at them if you know the number?
[22:39] <sinzui> poolie: let me check. I think we can do that in prod right now
[22:40] <poolie> it looks like you can, if you guess the url
[22:40] <poolie> (which is not so hard)
[22:41] <sinzui> yep
[22:41] <sinzui> I want to get the questions for a project or a group of distribution source packages
[22:43] <poolie> that would be useful
[22:43] <sinzui> Indeed. I cannot see all the open questions for all the things I am an answer contact for
[22:45] <flacoste> sinzui: do you know how the ProductWithLicense SQL expands to?
[22:45] <flacoste> iow, how to i get the related rows as an array column in the main query
[22:46] <sinzui> I do not know
[22:46] <sinzui> flacoste: I think I want to make that query obsolete.
[22:46] <flacoste> ok
[22:46] <lifeless> flacoste: more graphs?
[22:46] <flacoste> lifeless: yep :-)
[22:46] <lifeless> flacoste: oh, and did you have a chance to look at the uncommitted changes stub removed ?
[22:46] <lifeless> from the PPR tree
[22:47] <flacoste> lifeless: not yet, but i'll get to it
[22:47] <lifeless> flacoste: no rush :)
[22:47] <sinzui> I am sitting on data that provides the missing licenses for about 800 projects. I then want to set the remaining projects to have I_DONT_KNOW
[22:47] <flacoste> i think it's fine
[22:47] <lifeless> monday hopefully we can change the timeout again
[22:47] <flacoste> since i recall commiting it at some point
[22:48] <flacoste> i want to show # of unreviewed projects
[22:48] <flacoste> and track the 'special' licenses one separately from the regular ones
[22:48] <lifeless> flacoste: I remember what I wanted to ask you
[22:48] <lifeless> flacoste: bug count aggregates, what were your thoughts
[22:49] <flacoste> lifeless: ideally, i think exact below 50 is desireable
[22:50] <flacoste> above that it can be fuzzy
[22:50] <flacoste> i liked the render fuzzy, get exact number async
[22:50] <flacoste> approach
[22:50] <flacoste> but i'm also fine with fuzzy only
[22:51] <lifeless> I think there are a few ways we can be really precise
[22:51] <lifeless> I think its not worth it in the short term
[22:51] <lifeless> - the polls are pretty seriously weighted towards speed
[22:52] <lifeless> - precision will definitely still have a cost
[22:54] <james_w> lifeless, will the system know if the number is fuzzy?
[22:54] <lifeless> james_w: in principle yes
[22:55] <james_w> so the rendering could include that information? I think that would help alleviate some concerns
[22:55] <james_w> "3 bugs" vs "about 500 bugs"
[22:55] <lifeless> yes, thats one way to handle it
[22:55] <lifeless> I agree its not ideal to present a wrong count as fact; however...
[22:56] <lifeless> note that /all/ our counts are usually wrong by the time someone clicks through.
[22:56] <james_w> still doesn't help if you want to know the exact number, but avoids confusion if you click what looks like a precise number to find a different number of results
[22:56] <james_w> well
[22:56] <james_w> on some projects
[22:56] <lifeless> james_w: we have broken memcached rules
[22:56] <lifeless> james_w: before you guess at the cause.
[22:56] <lifeless> james_w: we cache private results as publically visible, and anonymous likewise.
[22:57] <lifeless> james_w: for these portlets specifically.
[22:57] <lifeless> We noticed last week.
[22:57] <lifeless> Its been like that for ... some time.
[22:57] <james_w> ok
[22:57] <lifeless> james_w: I'm trying to separate out:
[22:57] <lifeless>  - things we can do to make it better than it is now
[22:57] <lifeless>  - things we must to do to increase performance
[22:58] <lifeless> So while I accept and agree that putting tasteful caveats around the place, (?) popups and so on are all good things
[22:58] <lifeless> I am not convinced that they are necessary to make switching to precalculated aggregates a net win.
[22:59] <lifeless> And if something is a net win, I think we should take an iterative approach rather than biting off more than needed.
[22:59] <lifeless> drive velocity up and get out of the 200+ critical bug zone.
[23:00] <lifeless> bac:  around? bug 753965 needs qa
[23:00] <_mup_> Bug #753965: An IStructuralSubscriptionTarget that does not use LP for bug tracking should not present a subscription link <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/753965 >
[23:00] <lifeless> abentley: likewise - Fixes: Bug:702477
[23:03] <flacoste> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/594235/ is what i came with
[23:03] <flacoste> any other suggestions
[23:03] <flacoste> ?
[23:13] <lifeless> flacoste: looking
[23:13] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #639: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 35 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/639/
[23:14] <lifeless> flacoste: seems reasonable to me
[23:15] <lifeless> mtaylor: poolie mentioned a jenkins issue you're having?
[23:15] <mtaylor> lifeless: yeah- I can't remember what it was right now
[23:15] <lifeless> he showed me a java log
[23:16] <lifeless> looks like slave reuse race condition to me, not a bzr plugin issue
[23:16] <lifeless> IMBW
[23:26] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #176: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 10 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/176/
[23:36] <wallyworld_> lifeless: i was going to test "recipe request daily build script triggers OOPS on disabled archive" but getting the make_daily_builds script to be run on qas and check the log. you don't think this is needed?
[23:36] <lifeless> wallyworld_: I think its fine not to - I looked at the change
[23:36] <wallyworld_> lifeless: np. saves me some work :-)
[23:48] <lifeless> sinzui: hi
[23:48] <lifeless> sinzui: shall we chat?
[23:49] <sinzui> yes
[23:50] <lifeless> skype?
[23:50] <sinzui> yes
[23:51] <abentley> lifeless: I'm missing context.
[23:51] <lifeless> abentley: ah there is a patch with you as assignee marked needing qa
[23:51] <lifeless> abentley: there were two, but I wasn't sure about this one
[23:54] <abentley> lifeless: yeah, that one's tricky and the steps to reproduce never went into the bug report.
[23:58] <lifeless> abentley: I would like to do a nodowntime deploy during asiapacs day; if you can qa that we'll know whether we can deploy everything or just up to the commit before yours
[23:59] <thumper> ah fuck
[23:59] <thumper> :(


[10:37] <sladen> https://ubuntu.optimalworkshop.com/optimalsort/ubuntuia <-- for anyone who's interesting in helping to re-sort/re-design the main ubuntu.com
[10:38] <sladen> should take about 15 minutes to complete.  It's a card sort of all the currenct categories
[15:34] <jbicha> dpm: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/ works now with MultiViews :)
[15:37] <dpm> jbicha, that is...
[15:37] <dpm> truly awesome
[15:39] <jbicha> I think it just needed this config file (and Apache setup to AllowOverrides) https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com/view/head:/12.04/ubuntu-help/.htaccess
[15:39] <artnay> jbicha: doesn't work for me, at least it serves the content in English
[15:40] <jbicha> artnay: what's your browser language?
[15:40] <artnay> jbicha: Finnish
[15:40] <artnay> jbicha: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/index.html.fi works fine
[15:41] <Darkwing> jbicha: you guys figure out when the SRU for 12.04.1 will get sent to translations yet?
[15:44] <peppe84> jbicha, with browser in italian setting work
[16:02] <jbicha> artnay: hmm, Finnish works on my apache localhost, but not at help.ubuntu.com, I can try an override
[16:02] <jbicha> it looks like help.ubuntu.com only gets updated once a day in the early morning so you can try again tomorrow
[16:04] <artnay> jbicha: will do, thanks.
[16:20] <dpm> jbicha, you need overrides for a bunch of languages
[16:20] <dpm> jbicha, here's a reminder of what I've got on the test site: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/934364/


[00:00] <Daekdroom> No need to repeat yourself like that.
[00:01] <manzabud> sorry for that
[00:01] <manzabud> i know channels rules, sorry
[00:05] <manzabud> Daekdroom: do you like the idea?
[00:05] <Daekdroom> Personally, no.
[00:06] <manzabud> ok
[00:06] <Daekdroom> It wouldn't blend very well with GTK
[00:06] <manzabud> why?
[00:06] <Daekdroom> (or any other toolkit, for that matter)
[00:06] <Daekdroom> Unless a new default theme for Ubuntu was made
[00:07] <manzabud> yes, or jkust improved
[00:07] <manzabud> i personally want to develope
[00:07] <manzabud> but i want to know that my ideas are going to be used
[00:07] <manzabud> obviously not only my ideas BUT i want to participate
[00:08] <mhall119> manzabud: you can set the top panel transparency, IIRC
[00:09] <manzabud> but it is not true transparent AND it won't look like the picture i show you
[00:09] <manzabud> showed*
[00:09] <mhall119> no, it's doesn't have the rounded corner, which I think would look bad with fullscreen windows
[00:10] <manzabud> yes you are right
[00:10] <manzabud> it should be improved
[00:10] <Daekdroom> and it doesn't blend with the Launcher, given Launcher has a background color different than the panel (for most wallpapers out there)
[00:10] <manzabud> but the idea is perfect
[00:10] <manzabud> mix everything
[00:10] <manzabud> i mean
[00:10] <manzabud> no
[00:10] <manzabud> the top bar
[00:10] <manzabud> now
[00:10] <manzabud> *
[00:10] <manzabud> looks like old
[00:10] <manzabud> mean while unity dock bar looks futurist
[00:10] <manzabud> do you understand me?
[00:11] <manzabud> well maybe is just me, that is why i told you i am just developing the idea
[00:11] <manzabud> gnome shell looks better, but unity has more features
[00:12] <mhall119> either one you rarely see
[00:12] <mhall119> which is the best design, IMO
[00:12] <Daekdroom> I'll probably hate it if transparency is the future.
[00:13] <manzabud> something else
[00:13] <manzabud> and i think Daekdroom should love it
[00:13] <mhall119> I like it solid color because it matches the window decorations and doesn't look odd when they're maximized
[00:13] <manzabud> look at this
[00:13] <Daekdroom> mhall119, yeah!
[00:13] <manzabud> http://spiceofdesign.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Concept-289644745?q=boost%3Apopular%20ubuntu%20unity&qo=31
[00:13] <Daekdroom> It'll be difficult to blend the window titlebar to the panel if the panel is transparent and the windows are not.
[00:13] <manzabud> this is WOW
[00:14] <manzabud> top bar could be black when windows maximize
[00:14] <manzabud> i'll use ubuntu all my life if it looks like that
[00:14] <Daekdroom> What about consistency?
[00:14] <manzabud> what do you mean? did you look the last image?
[00:14] <mhall119> what if you have a maximized window in the background, and a non-maximized window in the foreground, transparent then or no?
[00:15] <manzabud> of course not
[00:15] <manzabud> scroll down
[00:15] <manzabud> look at the below image
[00:15] <manzabud> the second one
[00:15] <manzabud> looks the third one
[00:15] <manzabud> AMAIZING
[00:15] <manzabud> BRO
[00:15] <Daekdroom> You're totally missing the point of what he's saying, manzabud
[00:16] <Daekdroom> Those images are nowhere near covering all possibilities.
[00:16] <manzabud> did you look the last one?
[00:16] <manzabud> why?
[00:16] <manzabud> why not?
[00:16] <Daekdroom> Yes. It looks cool, but is it doable?
[00:16] <manzabud> it is fantastic
[00:16] <manzabud> of course
[00:16] <manzabud> it is
[00:16] <Daekdroom> Would new users use it easily?
[00:16] <Daekdroom> (Unity itself faced that issue)
[00:16] <manzabud> of course bro
[00:16] <Daekdroom> You can't tell that.
[00:17] <Daekdroom> You have to get new, non-biased, users and have them actually test it to tell.
[00:17] <manzabud> i am thinking that you are not seeing the same picture i am seeing right now
[00:17] <manzabud> it is this
[00:17] <manzabud> http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/070/a/a/ubuntu_concept_by_spiceofdesign-d4sg3bd.png
[00:18] <manzabud> it is AMAIZING and DOABLE!
[00:18] <manzabud> tell me why not?
[00:18] <manzabud> please
[00:18] <manzabud> maybe the third one
[00:18] <manzabud> is incomplete
[00:18] <manzabud> i understand
[00:18] <manzabud> but imagine all the optons of unity dashboard
[00:19] <manzabud> in there
[00:19] <manzabud> it would look amaizing
[00:19] <manzabud> man
[00:19] <mhall119> I don't understand what you feel is missing that this will provide
[00:19] <mhall119> are you looking for a feature change, or just a design change?
[00:19] <Daekdroom> good-looks, something even more minimalistic, perhaps.
[00:19] <manzabud> i mean both
[00:20] <manzabud> maybe you are right
[00:20] <manzabud> is need to be more featured
[00:20] <manzabud> *
[00:20] <manzabud> lol
[00:20] <manzabud> but
[00:20] <manzabud> the idea is to make it look one piece
[00:20] <manzabud> clean
[00:20] <manzabud> ed
[00:21] <manzabud> for example
[00:21] <manzabud> oh man i have to think about this
[00:21] <manzabud> improve the ideas
[00:22] <manzabud> and something else
[00:22] <manzabud> do you know the unity dashboard
[00:22] <manzabud> ?
[00:22] <manzabud> why is it attached to unity dock bar
[00:22] <manzabud> wouldn't it look better
[00:22] <manzabud> if it looks like a tooltip
[00:22] <manzabud> ?
[00:22] <manzabud> let me bring you as pic
[00:25] <manzabud> http://mos.futurenet.com/techradar/classifications/computing/software/operating-systems/images/snowleopard-bestfeatures/2-better-stacks-420-90.jpg
[00:26] <manzabud> mhall119: when you click application folder it shows you a dashboard
[00:26] <manzabud> but in a tooltip shape
[00:26] <manzabud> do you get the idea my brother?
[00:27] <manzabud> maybe this last idea could work
[00:27] <manzabud> no?
[00:27] <manzabud> look at this one please
[00:27] <manzabud> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2010/09/1739807583f499bb0d0eo.png
[00:28] <manzabud> we could make ubuntu unity dash look like that
[00:28] <manzabud> no?
[00:28] <manzabud> well
[00:28] <manzabud> i mean the tooltip shape
[00:28] <manzabud> only that
[00:28] <manzabud> the other options must stay
[00:28] <manzabud> obviously
[00:29] <manzabud> or maybe just give it a rounded corner
[00:29] <manzabud> dash border is to heavy
[00:29] <manzabud> in my opinion
[01:13] <thomi> bschaefer: no, not really
[01:13] <thomi> It's just, I feel all lonely if I'm not on IRC.
[01:13] <thomi> it gets really quiet ;)
[01:14] <mhall119> thomi: you need more voiced in your head, to keep you company :)
[01:14] <thomi> nah, three is plenty already
[01:54] <manzabud> hi
[01:55] <manzabud> why icons in high contrast theme are incomplete?
[01:58] <manzabud> why can't i saend an email to this address¿<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:36] <bluefrog> hu-service using 1.2 gig of RAM. a bit too much no?
[11:45] <kklimonda> indeed


[06:58] <twb> lilstevie: I heard a rumour that tf101 works perfectly now and I should man up and reflash it.  Is that true?
[13:27] <angs> I installed ubuntu-server to a beagleboard-xm. When I am connected to the board via the serial port at the first time (kernel building). The screen layout is too messed up http://i46.tinypic.com/34fog0p.png I use "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 8N1" and minicom to connect the board but each time I get that messy screen. Can anyone tell me how I can fix it?
[13:29] <suihkulokki> angs: are you sure your serial cable is ok?
[13:29] <ppisati> angs: are weird
[13:29] <ppisati> angs: two things:
[13:29] <ppisati> angs: are you sure hw is ok?
[13:30] <ppisati> angs: second: try with cu - cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyUSB0
[13:30] <ppisati> angs: usually that kind of garbage means wrong settings, or bad hw
[13:30] <ppisati> angs: ah, and check the serial cable too
[13:34] <angs> suihkulokki, ppisati: yes cable is broken. although it was a new cable that I bought recently. Thank you for your help
[13:40] <LetoThe2nd> attention, complaint: i installed yesterday netinstaller filed under 13.04 on my panda but it still call itself 12.04! that makes me feel way less 1337!!!1!one!!!eleven
[13:40] <LetoThe2nd> *SCNR*
[13:41] <LetoThe2nd> (12.10, sry:P )
[13:41] <RoyK> file a bug ;)
[13:44] <infinity> LetoThe2nd: Calls itself 12.04 where?
[13:44] <LetoThe2nd> infinity: sry, 12.10 ;) in the issue and usb-release...? at least thats what methinks.
[13:44] <LetoThe2nd> (just remembered it for the sake of trolling ;))
[13:45] <infinity> LetoThe2nd: Oh, you mean 13.04 is calling itself 12.10?  dist-upgrade.
[13:45] <LetoThe2nd> infinity: yeah exactly. 13.04 is calling itself 12.10.
[13:45] <infinity> LetoThe2nd: I updated base-files almost two days ago, it should be fine.
[13:45] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/build/debian-installer$ lsb_release -a
[13:45] <infinity> No LSB modules are available.
[13:45] <infinity> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[13:45] <infinity> Description:	Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch)
[13:45] <infinity> Release:	13.04
[13:46] <infinity> Codename:	raring
[13:46] <LetoThe2nd> infinity: i see. will try then probably tonight when i'm at home :P
[13:46] <infinity> LetoThe2nd: d-i itself may be wrong in some bits until we rebuild it, but the installed system should be right.
[13:46] <infinity> Oh, wait.
[13:46] <infinity> Hahaha.
[13:47] <infinity> No, if you installed with d-i, you installed 12.10. :P
[13:47] <LetoThe2nd> it also seems to point to qq sources...
[13:47] <infinity> Since that's just a copy of the d-i from 12.10
[13:47] <infinity> Yeah, exactly.
[13:47] <LetoThe2nd> infinity: i did. netinstall, d-i
[13:47] <infinity> We just haven't rebuilt the installer yet, that's all.
[13:47] <infinity> s/quantal/raring/ in sources.list and dist-upgrade, and you're there.
[13:47] <LetoThe2nd> *trolltrolltroll* too slow you are!
[13:47] <LetoThe2nd> makes me feel way less version 1337
[13:48] <LetoThe2nd> *SCNR*
[13:48] <LetoThe2nd> will give it a try then :)
[14:24] <puneri> QUESTION : I asked question at UbuntuOpenWeek for contributing to Ubuntu For ARM. They advised me to get feedback here. May I know how to get started
[14:25] <suihkulokki> puneri: best place to start is probably looking at arm team bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-arm
[14:26] <puneri> suihkulokki : Thanks. Prowess needed to resolve bugs ?
[14:27] <puneri> QUESTION : I have STM32F4DISCOVERY with me, possible to port Ubuntu For ARM ?
[14:29] <LetoThe2nd> puneri: not for beginners, and even hard for experts.
[14:30] <LetoThe2nd> plus one would probably need one or two thousand years for the recompile on an v7m ;)
[14:45] <puneri> QUESTION : What are armel and armhf ? Are these something specific for ubuntu arm ?
[14:46] <lilstevie> they are abis
[14:47] <ogra_> armel = arm eabi little endian ...
[14:47] <ogra_> armhf = arm eabi with hardfloat support
[14:47] <puneri> ok. thanks.
[14:48] <lilstevie> armel = arm eabi little endian, and uses a softfp
[14:48] <lilstevie> ogra_ got it
[14:48] <lilstevie> damn my slow typing :p
[14:48] <ogra_> haha
[14:48] <ogra_> and i'm even in a neeting
[14:48] <ogra_> *meeting
[14:49] <lilstevie> I had to turn a tap off in the kitchen half way through though so I didn't flood my water filter
[14:49] <lilstevie> but eh, still could have typed faster
[14:49] <lilstevie> :p
[14:53] <lilstevie> hm, I have to say, I do not like one of the new features in 12.10 (this isn't arm though really, noticed it on my desktop) is showing the battery levels of my bluetooth devices (keyboard and mouse) as if they were device batteries
[14:59] <GrueMaster> lilstevie: Actually, that is quite handy (but would be nice if it could be disabled).
[15:01] <ogra_> lilstevie, it always monitored these values
[15:01] <ogra_> since the very first release of gnome-power-manager
[15:01] <ogra_> they probably changed the display ppolicies upstream
[15:08] <lilstevie> GrueMaster, it is how it displays it that is the problem
[15:08] <lilstevie> as a laptop battery
[15:10] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[15:15] <puneri> QUESTION : Sorry, However on Ubuntu ARM Bugs section I'm not able to understand anything. Help please to get started ?
[15:53] <infinity> lilstevie: Bugs are filed already about the presentation being misleading/confusing.
[15:53] <infinity> lilstevie: (But the feature is cool, once they sort out not making it look silly)
[15:55] <lilstevie> infinity, :) I do agree the feature is cool, it is just how it is presented, actually something I would say <=12.04 was missing was an easy way to see levels, but last thing I want is gpower sending my computer to sleep for a flat mouse battery :p
[15:57] <infinity> lilstevie: It shouldn't sleep if the mouse battery dies, it's just that the display prioritises showing you whichever battery is lower which, when your laptop is charged, will pretty much always be the mouse/keyboard/whatever.
[15:57] <infinity> lilstevie: If you start running your laptop flat, the laptop battery should suddenly become the one displayed.
[15:58] <infinity> lilstevie: (But yes, both wildly unintuitive and confusing)
[15:58] <infinity> lilstevie: There are probably other bugs filed, but you might want to add your 2 bits to bug 1066208
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066208 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Battery indicator shows mouse battery instead of notebook battery" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066208
[15:59] <infinity> lilstevie: Assuming you have some bikeshed ideas about how to do it more sanely.
[15:59] <infinity> (I'd probably personally just refrain from swapping the indicator to a peripheral battery until the peripheral was at 5% or something)
[16:00] <infinity> But even that would need some obvious indicator that it wasn't your laptop battery dying.
[22:41] <infinity> janimo: Looks like you accidentally repurposed bug 1068733 for 3.2.0 (it was meant to be for 3.5.0), you might want to take the actual 3.2.0 bug 1068573 and use it for 3.5.0, I guess. :P
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068733 in linux-armadaxp (Ubuntu) "linux-armadaxp: 3.2.0-1610.15 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068733
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068573 in linux-armadaxp (Ubuntu) "linux-armadaxp: <version to be filled> -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068573
[23:12] <wookey> someone tell where to find the python module 'util'. (yes, I feel stupid asking this question)
[23:19] <wookey> OK, been told.