[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome kmplsv
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> so wich xubuntu version are you trying kmplsv
[08:55] <kmplsv> latest.
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:56] <kmplsv> my friend who is helping me is a genius, he's just super stubborn. i told him that i wanted to start with something like ubuntu because it has a large community and i'd almost always be able to find an answer.
[08:56] <techied> curious what made you feel stock is bloated?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> i guess if you came from gentoo compile everything from scratch, any other distro is bloat :p
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> all depends on the idea of what bloat is too
[08:57] <kmplsv> he said nope, nixos or nothing. so great, i have to try to relearn linux (difficult enough as it is), AND all the quirks for nixOS being a declarative OS and all. don't get me wrong, i know there are situations where nixOS is great, it just isn't a good first stepping stone in my opinion. it's more like diving head-first off of the cliff.
[08:58] <kmplsv> ohhh, i guess the big giant sidebar, the theme, i realize it's stuff i can change, and i can change the WM, but mehhh.
[08:58] <kmplsv> mainly it was the partition issues i was running into
[08:58] <techied> oh
[08:59] <techied> yea i ran i3 for a few months instead of gnome (the default on stock) but idk, something didn't feel right about a tiling wm
[09:00] <techied> was cool though, never have to lock laptop because nobody knows how to use it xD
[09:03] <kmplsv> hrmmm...., running "sudo apt update" for the first time and just ran into "update-initramfs deferring update"
[09:04] <daftykins> well first off that command would only query the package repos and not actually make any changes ;)
[09:05] <kmplsv> er, upgrade i mean
[09:05] <techied> did you do an update first?
[09:05] <kmplsv> yes
[09:06] <kmplsv> now i'm installing the files necessary for installing the guest additions.
[09:06] <kmplsv> also, i went w/ ZFS
[09:06] <techied> can you do a https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[09:07] <kmplsv> for what file?
[09:07] <techied> output of your apt upgrade
[09:08] <kmplsv> one sec rebooting
[09:08] <techied> k
[09:09] <kmplsv> gonna run to the restroom real quick too brb
[09:09] <techied> tmi lol
[09:21] <kmplsv> so far so good...
[09:22] <kmplsv> man i love this interface a lot more, way clean
[09:22] <kmplsv> lemme do a df -h
[09:24] <kmplsv> here - https://imgur.com/7bIJdsj.png
[09:30] <kmplsv> that look alright?
[09:33] <techied> yes
[09:33] <techied> im not too familiar with zfs but looks similar to my freenas
[09:33] <kmplsv> yeppppp, it'll be sweet when btrfs matures too.
[09:34] <kmplsv> building a gaming pc and a file server spring/summer next year.
[09:36] <kmplsv> hmmm, now the fun parts come. figuring out the ins and outs of trying to use a DAW in linux in a VM, lol.
[09:36] <kmplsv> guess i'm learning about JACK and pulse audio and stuff.
[09:37] <techied> fun xD
[09:37] <techied> that stuff is my nightmare, that and bluetooth
[09:37] <kmplsv> heh
[09:38] <kmplsv> i just need to learn about it in linux (i use reaper as a daw, still very new to it), so i can watch tutorials and follow along here at work.
[10:21] <kmplsv> this working great so far, thanks for the help.
[10:21] <kmplsv> ok now i seriously do have to go to the bathroom. geeeeeze.
[13:15] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[21:05] <oerheks> zoom .. we had a zoom user recently, 2 accounts, sound issues, and lagging the system :-D
[21:10] <daftykins> that must've put the brakes on ;D


[01:59] <bejames> Hi brains trust. Is there a command that allows you to monitor file system access?
[02:59] <kaushal> Hi
[02:59] <kaushal> can someone please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-November/254345.html ?
[03:02] <head_victim> kaushal: you just posted a link to someone responding to your question that you never answered the questions asked of.
[03:02] <head_victim> bejames: I have NO idea :)
[03:02] <kaushal> head_victim: yeah
[03:02] <kaushal> I have no idea about strace
[03:04] <kaushal> head_victim: I am unable to kill dpkg process
[03:04] <kaushal> and also i cannot reboot the box
[03:04] <kaushal> Any way out ?
[03:05] <head_victim> So I would respond to that email  with answers to "are you trying to kill as root", "are you using NFS on the server" "are you using fuse based filesystem" "is there anything weird in dmesg" and if you still can't find the cause ask the person who responed about strace.
[03:08] <kaushal> head_victim: anyways thanks
[03:09]  * kaushal feels i am not getting help here
[03:09] <bejames> kaushal, is there any particular reason you are posting to the Australian loco channel?
[03:10] <head_victim> kaushal: there are around 4500 users on the mailing list you emailed. There are 26 people in here. I don't know the answer to your question so I felt pointing you in the right direction was the best idea.
[03:10] <kaushal> bejames: yeah
[03:10] <kaushal> bejames: folks here are pretty knowledable and sound
[03:11] <kaushal> I tried #ubuntu but no luck there
[03:11] <kaushal> head_victim: you said 4500 users ?
[03:11] <kaushal> is there a way i can see the count ?
[03:11] <head_victim> Yes, the ubuntu-users mailing list has around 4500 users.
[03:12] <head_victim> I don't think so. I moderate the list that's how I know. It has been mentioned on the list before though so that's where I'm getting the information.
[03:12] <kaushal> so only moderators can see the count ?
[03:13] <kaushal> head_victim: also can you please guide me about strace ?
[03:13] <kaushal> based on the reply on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-November/254345.html
[03:16] <head_victim> I haven't used that in quite some time, that's why I pointed you back to the list because I didn't think I'd be very much use in this question
[03:19] <kaushal> head_victim: ok
[03:23] <head_victim> sagaci: I went looking for the ubuntu Vancouver stuff you mentioned but couldn't find anything.
[03:25] <head_victim> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/installfest.jpg is the best I found that we could customise though
[03:25] <head_victim> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/UbuntuPromotionalPoster.png is one we can have on the day
[03:28] <sagaci> I was thinking towards just on the day posters
[03:28] <sagaci> the latter one, for example
[03:28] <head_victim> Ah yeah I also have all the ones from LCA
[03:29] <head_victim> The main thing I'm working towards now is one to put out around the place ASAP to get people thinking about ocming.
[03:33] <sagaci> I think you'll be better off to put some tagline like, "Install alongside Windows"
[03:35] <head_victim> How hard is it these days to resize windows partitions?
[03:37] <sagaci> trivial
[03:38] <head_victim> Just checking, does it work straight from the installer or do you have to livecd boot, resize, then install?
[03:38] <head_victim> I haven't run windows since XP
[03:39] <sagaci> straight from the installer
[03:39] <head_victim> Sweet, that sounds pretty good.
[03:39] <sagaci> if they're running vista or 7, I find it better to shrink from within windows then just manually partition, using the free space as swap and /
[03:41] <head_victim> And realistically, 20gb is all you really need to "play"
[03:42] <sagaci> yep, all my dualboots have 40GB dedicated
[03:42] <sagaci> out of 500GB drives
[03:48] <sagaci> are you going to take lubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu?
[03:50] <head_victim> Yeah that's the goal
[03:50] <head_victim> Just take it all and see what people wanty
[03:55] <head_victim> If someone brought in a pre vista laptop and wanted to dual boot can you still resize or only if it's vista+
[03:56] <sagaci> yeah you can resize but it's just not available through windows, you'll have to do it via the installer
[04:00] <head_victim>  Cool, just playing with that svg now
[04:14] <sagaci> head_victim: uploading youtube vids now
[04:14] <head_victim> Nice work. Let me know when it's done and I'll tweed/dent it as well
[04:20] <sagaci> doneskies
[04:39] <head_victim> Anyone have 2 seconds to tell me if it's worth keeping going on a poster?
[04:39] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/LocalMeetings/BrisbaneInstallfest?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=BrisbaneInstallFestPoster1.png
[04:40] <head_victim> bejames: just trying to do something up we can start promoting with
[04:40] <head_victim> Don't be too harsh, I know very little about graphic design :/
[04:50] <head_victim> sagaci: dented/tweeted - feel free to post to the ML :)
[04:50] <sagaci> ok
[05:09] <somethinginteres> head_victim: hey head_victim just checked out the new YT channel. Good start! Though for me, part 5 of the first tutorial is simply a green screen. May have to re-upload?
[05:14] <head_victim> somethinginteres: I'll look into it
[05:15] <head_victim> Oh speak of the devil, sagaci the part 5 is just a green screen on that yourtube channel
[05:16] <sagaci> i'll try to reupload
[05:16] <sagaci> is it only pt 5
[05:17] <head_victim> Yeah I've just checked the others and they seem fine for the bits I've watched
[05:17] <sagaci> i'll reupload pt 5
[05:19] <head_victim> somethinginteres: thanks for the pickup :)
[05:22] <somethinginteres> head_victim: no worries. I also found out the other day that it is possible to re-order  youtube playlists. May be helpful for having the videos appear in order. So happy when I found it. :P See: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=94507
[05:23] <head_victim> I'll keep that link filed away :)
[05:25] <sagaci> just reuploading now
[05:37] <sagaci> head_victim: http://youtu.be/Pu5_6YUeOLc
[05:37] <sagaci> looks ok
[05:37] <head_victim> Yep that one works, it still has the green preview screen but once you start playing it's great
[05:38] <sagaci> yeah
[05:38] <sagaci> must be something to do with gtk-recordmydesktop
[11:29] <sagaci_> a quick google has fixed the bzr+ssh thing benonsoftware ran into... I'm setting up a bzr on cygwin myself and ran into it... just need to `set BZR_SSH=paramiko`


[04:23] <gpd> is there a way to specify 'server' to an already installed system?
[04:26] <MarioMeyer> hummm.. remove all packages under ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:27] <gpd> that is what I figured - just wondered if there was a more stable way ---
[04:27] <gpd> aptitude gets a little over excited sometimes!
[04:27] <MarioMeyer> i know.. :P
[04:28] <gpd> also - is there a bootstrap for ubuntu-server or a UML image anywhere?
[04:28] <MarioMeyer> that i dunno
[04:30] <gpd> so the ubuntu-server-5.10.isos differ from the desktop cousins only in the package selection - correct?
[04:32] <gpd> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16345.html <-- will try this instead
[10:33] <hunger> Keybuk: I think my USB HD has one... shall I test something?
[02:55] <lapo> the initramfs after install dapper doesn't contains mpt* (fusion mpt chipset) scsi drivers (quite common on dell server hw), is it a known bug?
[03:13] <tepsipakki> lapo: yes it is, don't know why it's still unfixed
[03:14] <lapo> tepsipakki, I checked upstream and seems that this bug is fixed in newer version of initramfs-tools (0.41 *should* work)
[03:16] <tepsipakki> ok, that's good to hear
[03:21] <lapo> I'm using an lvm on (sw)raid1 setup and everything works fine (well, almost see missing mpt drivers in initramfs), but I get an error installing lilo during the install (I think it is related to liloconfig which doesn't handle raid1 setup)
[03:22] <lapo> since there's a patch for grub to make it read its stage2 from lvm, any chance to have it in?
[03:28] <Nafallo> those are probably better asked in #ubuntu-boot :-)
[03:31] <spike> #ubuntu-boot? O_o
[03:31] <spike> guess the number of registered chans on freenode doubled since ubuntu project started :P
[03:32] <lapo> uhm? there's even an #ubuntu-boot channel?! :-)
[03:33] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:30] <morrow> is there a good howto for ubuntu and preseeding?
[04:48] <tepsipakki> morrow: the installation-guide has some info
[04:50] <morrow> tepsipakki: thx
[10:06] <ubijtsa> hmmm.. nmap 4.00 released...
[10:08] <spike> yup :)
[10:08] <spike> the new features list is endless :P
[10:08] <spike> I couldnt read it all, eheh
[10:09] <spike> ubijtsa: btw, hello dude :)
[10:13] <ubijtsa> lo spike  :)
[10:14] <spike> ubijtsa: check this out ;) http://edge.channel4.com/theitcrowd/episode1_c4web.wmv
[10:14] <spike> ubijtsa: starting next friday apparently ehehe
[10:14] <ubijtsa> heh
[10:15] <spike> too much UF? ;)
[10:15] <ubijtsa> nn .+
[10:16] <ubijtsa> nah, 1 yo kid with faaar to much energy
[10:39] <morrow> hmm is there a meta package for U.S.?
[10:41] <lionelp> morrow: in Dapper ?
[10:42] <morrow> yep
[10:42] <lionelp> nope