[00:00] <aaroncampbell> uh oh, I was looking through widgets to try to see if it was there, and now my KDE button is gone :|
[00:00] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: which version are you in?
[00:00] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: gutsy
[00:01] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: ahh, old one
[00:01] <Mojo_risin> well... :)
[00:01] <aaroncampbell> JontheEchidna: that's a bummer.  I used it a LOT, and I don't see any kind of replacement either
[00:01] <Mojo_risin> but it's KDE 3 yes
[00:01] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: not sure if it has this, but try in terminal: asoundconf list
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> aaroncampbell: you can drag icons to the panel, but they're sorta big imo
[00:02] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: then: asoundconf set-default-card <cardname>
[00:02] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: let me try
[00:02] <aaroncampbell> JontheEchidna: Drag to the panel from where?
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> aaroncampbell: the menu
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> application launcher thingy
[00:03] <aaroncampbell> JontheEchidna: doesn't work for me
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> doesn't work?
[00:04]  * JontheEchidna finds it's easier to land the drop if you drag the icon to the very top of the panel
[00:04]  * genii hands jussi01 a coffee
[00:04] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: didn't work :(
[00:05] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: what does it say?
[00:05] <Mojo_risin> nothing..
[00:05] <Mojo_risin> no error but no sound also
[00:05] <Mojo_risin> just PC sound
[00:05] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: you need to restart the app after that
[00:07] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: now it crashes
[00:07] <Mojo_risin> tried with kaffeine and amarok
[00:07] <jussi01> ouch
[00:07] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: Im not sure - gutsy is old and I cant remember how it works
[00:08] <Mixed_--_> anybody knows where the "network-script" folder is located in ubuntu or what is its equivalent??
[00:08] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: ok, thanks anyway :)
[00:09] <stdin> Mixed_--_: /etc/network/ probably
[00:10] <Mixed_--_> stdin, how would I configure a static NIC??
[00:10] <dwidmann> I've got a SATA DVD drive, how can I set the speed manually (it's going at full pace ... I'd like to slow it down. Seems like hdparm won't work)
[00:11] <TimmyMac> Hey, gang...I'm having a weird display issue.  I'm not even sure where to start poking around.
[00:11] <TimmyMac> Screenshots here: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098760.msg154013#msg154013
[00:11] <stdin> Mixed_--_: see 'man interfaces' or use KNetowrkManager
[00:12] <Mixed_--_> stdin: thanks for pointing me at the right direction
[00:13] <dwidmann> TimmyMac: hmm, on an off chance, try disabling usplash and restarting
[00:14] <stdin> Mixed_--_: KNetworkManager is the easiest way, 'man interfaces' has an example you can basically just steal. I'd try KNetworkManager first
[00:14] <red22> kde freezes about 5 seconds after logging in... i see the desktop and then it just freezes and then nothing responds to mouse clicks... (i ctl-alt-bckspace then log into gnome, which is working as usual).  how can i get kde working again please?
[00:14] <Guest37963> Hi im having issues setting up my monitors resalution,my monitors defualt is 1440x900 yet when kubuntu runs in this mode it casues me to loose the left/right parts of my screen making my kde menu dissapeer. when running in lower resolutions my graphics are not as good
[00:14] <TimmyMac> dwidmann:  I can try that.  Of course, it's not doing it now.  Only happens sometimes.
[00:17] <red22> kde is freezing after logging in.. how can i try to find what program is causing this?  help pls.  tired of reading online docs but couldn't figure out what's wrong..
[00:18] <sd32> my startup sound quits 2 seconds into playing, is there any way to fix this?
[00:18] <Guest37963> Hi im having issues setting up my monitors resalution,my monitors defualt is 1440x900 yet when kubuntu runs in this mode it casues me to loose the left/right parts of my screen making my kde menu dissapeer. when running in lower resolutions my graphics are not as good
[00:19] <uten> hey
[00:20] <uten> anyone in here install kde 4.2 from trunk?
[00:20] <tacosarecool> I use kde 4.1.2
[00:20] <tacosarecool> I think
[00:20] <uten> tacosarecool:  4.1.2 comes with kubuntu 8.10 but i want to install 4.2 from trunk
[00:21] <uten> I followed http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[00:21] <uten> but I am having problems
[00:21] <tacosarecool>  Trunk is frozen for feature commits that are not listed in the  planned feature document. Only bugfixes and the code implementing the listed features are to be committed. The feature list also closes today. Features not already finished or listed on the planned features page will have to wait until KDE 4.3.
[00:22] <tacosarecool> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule
[00:24] <Mixed_--_> stdin:  thank you for your help, i figured out, im not using the GUI
[00:24] <vasilisa> How do I save 1024 x 768 resolution? Every time i relog it hops back into a higher resolution until i click "display" again. My eyes ar ekilling me from that high rez
[00:25] <Guest37963> Hi im having issues setting up my monitors resalution,my monitors defualt is 1440x900 yet when kubuntu runs in this mode it casues me to loose the left/right parts of my screen making my kde menu dissapeer. when running in lower resolutions my graphics are not as good
[00:25] <sd32> !repeat
[00:25] <Guest37963> ^^would i still have this problem if i swithced to another distro?
[00:25] <vasilisa> I wish everything was smaller instead of relying on this high resolution. Not everyone has good eyes
[00:26] <vasilisa> mine burn when i look at high res screens, even flat panels
[00:26] <Guest37963> vasilisa: i know what  you mean im having res issues too,excpet mine are a bit different. im forced to use a res that makes everything wicked blurry :P
[00:27] <vasilisa> Guest37963: In the display menu it has some stupid "auto" setting that it forces.
[00:27] <vasilisa> its not in xorg. i dunno where they hid it
[00:29] <Guest37963> i have 3 computers running off the smae internet,is ther some way to regualte how much bandwidth they use?
[00:29] <genii> Guest37963: Pretty much any hardware you have difficulty with in one version of linux you will have difficulty in any other version. Some more commercial versions like Xandros have marginally better support but thats about it.
[00:31] <vasilisa> i cant stand anything above 1024x768...
[00:31] <vasilisa> ugh
[00:31] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:31] <scribbles> I setup apache2 to use port 8080 as 80 is blocked by comcast. Locahost:8080 shows the default It Works! page but my external ip:8080 doesn't work. I portforwarded my router to this machine and even turned off my firewall to see and it still doesn't work? Nmap is showing that 8080 is open for http-proxy. I plan on using DynDNS but that :8080 doesn't work and neither does my external ip:8080.
[00:32] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:36] <edt> anyone else geting sig 11 with adept in 8.10
[00:37] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:40] <kuadhual> hi all.....
[00:40] <kuadhual> can anybody help me with keyboard ma[[ing
[00:40] <kuadhual> mapping
[00:41] <cuznt> !keyboard mapping
[00:41] <cuznt> !mapping
[00:41] <cuznt> !keyboard
[00:41] <nejode> scribbles: dis you forward port 80 to 8080 in the router?
[00:41] <kuadhual> some how if i press F12 it acted like if I right click, and a pop up menu appear
[00:41] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:42] <woody86> can I use network-manager in Kubuntu? if I can, what would I need to disable/get rid of in Kubuntu?
[00:42] <kuadhual> I'll try that first
[00:42] <supert0nes> [buRn]: is another form of adept or apt still running? or maybe synaptic?
[00:43] <[buRn]> no, i restart the linux, and show the same message
[00:43] <[buRn]> Could not obtain a write lock on the cache, falling back to read-only mode. You won't be able to install, remove or upgrade packages. However, you can still search in the package database and browse packages.
[00:43] <[buRn]> It appears that another process is running, which holds the write lock on the database. You first need to close that program and then restart Adept to gain write access.
[00:43] <cuznt> buRn open a terminal and try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[00:44] <nejode> !apt fix
[00:44] <[buRn]> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:44] <cuznt> yes
[00:44] <cuznt> try that
[00:45] <cuznt> on a terminal
[00:45] <[buRn]> yup
[00:45] <nejode> !apt-get
[00:45] <[buRn]> copyed wrong output :D
[00:45] <[buRn]> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[00:45] <cuznt> !apt unlock
[00:45] <supert0nes> i always forget that command
[00:46] <genii> !aptfix
[00:46] <nejode> buRn: sudo apt-get -f install
[00:46] <nejode> !apt-get fix
[00:46] <xzased> Hi. Im trying to setup a bluetooth usb adapter. Its a cirago BTA-3210. I connect it and nothing happens... I start kbluetooth but all the config options are greyed out
[00:47] <[buRn]> i installed new im client and after that apt crashes
[00:47] <[buRn]>  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:47] <nejode> !locked apt-get
[00:47] <favro> !aptfix
[00:48] <nejode> ..that's the one
[00:48] <favro> hehe
[00:48] <[buRn]> Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[00:48] <kuadhual> cuznt: nope, that had no effect, whit keyboard layout turn on or of, my F12 still act like a right click
[00:48] <[buRn]> ^Cdpkg: error processing mercury-messenger (--configure):
[00:48] <[buRn]>  subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
[00:48] <[buRn]> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:48] <[buRn]>  mercury-messenger
[00:48] <kuadhual> and there is no option for function keys
[00:49] <[buRn]> Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[00:49] <[buRn]> ^Cdpkg: error processing mercury-messenger (--configure):
[00:49] <[buRn]>  subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
[00:49] <vegas_> hola gente
[00:49] <[buRn]> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:49] <[buRn]>  mercury-messenger
[00:49] <vegas_> alguien habla spanishhh
[00:49] <scribbles> nejode: no. how do I do that?
[00:50] <kuadhual> where is the configuration file for keyboard keys?
[00:50] <cuznt> !sp
[00:50] <cuznt> !sn
[00:51] <[buRn]> i find it out, i use sudo apt-ger remove mercury-messenger
[00:51] <nejode> scribbles: in your router you have to redirect your external port 80 to your internal port 8080
[00:54] <DrrtEgrrT> does anyone know how to deal with the mtss corefont error in 8.10
[00:56] <DrrtEgrrT> Ive loaded the kubuntu desktop hoping that would do it.............
[00:56] <DrrtEgrrT> no love
[00:56] <scribbles> nejode: but even if I do my ip:8080 it doesn't work
[00:56] <scribbles> nejode: why would it need to be forwarded for 80 if its requesting that port directly
[00:58] <genii> scribbles: Have you tried just some arbitrary port? 8080 is also a well-known one they may be blocking
[00:58] <nejode> scribbles: so you're writing http://domain.name:8080??
[00:58] <scribbles> nejode: yes
[01:00] <nejode> scribbles: try what genii says, my  (lousy) ISP blocks all ports from 1024 down
[01:00] <nejode> ...but al least you can disble that trough their web page
[01:02] <xzased> Hi. Im trying to setup a bluetooth usb adapter. Its a cirago BTA-3210. I connect it and nothing happens... I start kbluetooth but all the config options are greyed out
[01:05] <nejode> xzased: check if your system "sees" it> try lsusb in konsole
[01:05] <xzased> nejode: yes, it sees it
[01:06] <xzased> it says: ...usb dongle (HCI mode)
[01:07] <nejode> xzased: but no branding or manufacturer ID?
[01:08] <xzased> nejode: yes, it shows the branding, the whole thing reads
[01:08] <xzased> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[01:10] <woody86> how can I add a digital clock applet that will show UTC/GMT??
[01:10] <nejode> xzased: wierd... maybe it needs to load a kernel module...
[01:11] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:11] <genii> What does lsusb -nn   say for it ?
[01:11] <genii> Hangon I think the   0a12:0001 may be the relevant thing
[01:11] <genii> (vendor:device)
[01:13] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is
[01:13] <tacosarecool> impossible with fglrx
[01:14] <nejode> xzased: it's supposed to "just work"
[01:14] <condon> when I try to record in xvidcap, I get the following message
[01:15] <condon> xtoffmpeg.c add_video_stream(): video codec not found
[01:15] <xzased> nejode: haha, I know. I,ll try to reinstall and see if that works. Thanks
[01:15] <condon> is there a command to configure xvidcap?  set filenames, codecs to use, etc.?
[01:15] <tacosarecool> Help!
[01:16] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is impossible with fglrx
[01:16] <Dragnslcr> xzased- what version of Kubuntu
[01:16] <xzased> Dragnsler: Kubuntu hardy kde 3.5+
[01:17] <nejode> xzased: did you check if the service is running > ps ax | grep blue ???
[01:18] <tacosarecool> Anyone?
[01:18] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is impossible with fglrx
[01:18] <tacosarecool> No static bars
[01:18] <tacosarecool> That's a problem
[01:19] <xzased> nejode: This is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/67648/
[01:21] <nejode> xxzased: you should get a bluetoothd-service-input line
[01:22] <nejode> xzased: try restarting the service> sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[01:24] <xzased> nejode: That worked!
[01:24] <xzased> Thanks!
[01:24] <david> How do i enable those snazzy desktop effects?
[01:24] <bazhang> !!ccsm
[01:24] <nejode> xzased: nice!
[01:25] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:25] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is impossible with fglrx
[01:26] <Guest30705> hi i have a ethernet splitter box and im wondering if thers anyway to regulate how much bandwidth goes to each computer attached to it
[01:27] <nejode> tacosarecool: everybody is having problems with video drivers in 8.10
[01:27] <nejode> tacosarecool: what ati card are you running??
[01:27] <tacosarecool> Even nvidia users?
[01:27] <tacosarecool> Oh x300
[01:27] <tacosarecool> ati x300
[01:28] <condon> yep, I use nvidia, had a fun time getting it all running right.
[01:29] <nejode> tacosarecool: read the release notes, no support for radeon 9500 and lower, nor x6oo and lower
[01:29] <tacosarecool> Why?
[01:30] <tacosarecool> Linux is supposed to be a os that's friendly to older hardware
[01:30] <nejode> tacosarecool: read about half way down > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[01:31] <nejode> tacosarecool: I agree with you, I think Canonical is trying hard to make their own "vista"
[01:31] <tacosarecool> Well I guess I'll disable my driver
[01:32] <tacosarecool> Since it doesn't matter
[01:32] <tacosarecool> I'll have to buy a graphics card on black friday
[01:32] <nejode> ...I'm staying with 8.04 until I find a good distro that will have support for my cards
[01:32] <tacosarecool> Opensuse?
[01:32] <nejode> Mandriva?
[01:32] <Ryunix> Hai guys i have been trying to get a static ip with intrepid but to no avail.. anyone know how i can?
[01:33] <tacosarecool> Ubuntu is the best though
[01:33] <Ryunix> in hardy i was able to have static ip
[01:33] <tacosarecool>  /kubuntu
[01:33] <nejode> Ryunix: edit you /etc/network/interfaces file
[01:33] <tacosarecool> You can
[01:33] <tacosarecool> Right click
[01:33] <tacosarecool> World icon
[01:34] <tacosarecool> Edit connections
[01:34] <tacosarecool> Make wired
[01:34] <tacosarecool> Manual
[01:34] <Ryunix> dude this is my problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=964192
[01:34] <Ryunix> i set the static ip but then when i check my router its still dhcp
[01:35] <Ryunix> tacosarecool i have done
[01:37] <genii> Ryunix: Your router will keep a record that the dhcp IP is still good until the lease for it expires
[01:37] <Ryunix> genii i need a static ip for my network
[01:37] <Ryunix> im having to restart connections with my other computers
[01:38] <genii> Ryunix: Most routers have the capability to assign IP by MAC address
[01:38] <Ryunix> and im paying money for a static ip so i expect to be able to use it like in hardy..
[01:38] <Guest30705> on my taskbar where all the little icons go (like the sound manager and whatnot) thers a few blue boxes,one of them has an icon one is empty and one has half an icon. is this normal?
[01:38] <genii> Ryunix: The router will have the static IP
[01:39] <Ryunix> genii: but dhcp is not an option for since my printer goes haywire when i go dhcp
[01:39] <Ryunix> me*
[01:39] <neversfelde> Guest30705: Nvidia Card?
[01:40] <Ryunix> is there a patched .deb for networkmanager ?
[01:40] <genii> Ryunix: You can also use the same method of assigning IP by mac address to the printer. On HP printers for instance, the test page of the printer tells you the MAC which you feed into the router
[01:41] <Ryunix> genii yeh i was looking at my routers page and it can but does this mean static ip's dont/wont work in intrepid ?
[01:42] <nejode> Ryunix: your best bet is to edit your interfaces file and restart your network
[01:42] <Ryunix> k
[01:42] <Ryunix> thnx dude
[01:42] <genii> Ryunix: They work fine. However if you are setting an internal IP of the LAN to something like <IP_ADDRESS>   which is for instance the staticv IP you paid for, the router is getting this IP from them (your ISP). So setting the server to this makes for routing nightmares
[01:43] <Ryunix> oh ok thnx genii
[01:43] <sevenseeker1> can someone tell me how to properly reconfigure xorg.conf?  I tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' but it is very incomplete (no video driver, screens, resolutions, etc)
[01:44] <ardchoille> sevenseeker1: that is becoming more and more automated with less and less user intervention :(
[01:44] <sevenseeker1> ardchoille: yes, the problem is I upgraded from 8.04 and want to start over with my config... I just can't seem to figure out how to recreate what the initial install does
[01:45] <nejode> Ryunix: genii is right, you should make your router have the static public IP and forward it to your server/desktop
[01:46] <sevenseeker1> ardchoille: I have become used to having it 'just work' and so never checked at the internals... I guess that is a price to pay
[01:46] <Ryunix> nejode genii: do i add dns's to the /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[01:47] <nejode> Ryunix: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html
[01:48] <nejode> Ryunix: in your router's config web page you should be able to asighn a static address to it
[01:49] <genii> Ryunix: If you are using the method I dscribed, no. You set the /etc/network/interfaces   back to dhcp and auto. Then the router to assign always a given IP to the server. The server gets routing info it needs from router
[01:49] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:49] <ardchoille> sevenseeker1: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15048/
[01:49] <genii> Ryunix: Then forward ports you need like 80 or so on from router to that IP you assigned by mac address to the server
[01:50] <tacosarecool> nalioth
[01:50] <sevenseeker1> ardchoille: very interesting
[01:50] <Ryunix> genii first im gonna see if the router sees my comp as static brb
[01:50] <genii> I won't
[01:50] <sevenseeker1> that is a neat way to flag things
[01:50] <genii> *It
[01:51] <[buRn]> can i install .rpm files in kubuntu?
[01:52] <ardchoille> [buRn]: no
[01:52] <tacosarecool> Darn it my video card isn't supported in 8.10
[01:52] <ardchoille> [buRn]: look for the app in the repos, if you can't find that look for a .deb, if you can't find that compile it. never use .rpm packages
[01:52] <sevenseeker1> [buRn]: you can run alien on them and convert to deb though
[01:52] <nalioth> tacosarecool: hi
[01:52] <ardchoille> alien is dangerous
[01:52] <ardchoille> !alien
[01:53] <sevenseeker1> [buRn]: right, I should add that it is the last resort
[01:53] <[buRn]> ok, i was just asking, thnx for help
[01:53] <nejode> Ryunix: if your lan has a class A address (192.168.X.X/24) and you machine has a public IP you're going to have routing problems for sure
[01:54] <Ryunix> nejode what u mean ?
[01:54] <tacosarecool> nalioth are you the one who said your running 8.04 right?
[01:55] <tacosarecool> I left because It froze
[01:55] <tacosarecool> Cause my graphics card is crap under 8.10
[01:55] <Ryunix> btw nejode genii: the manul edit worked, but what u mean problems ? i have been getting disconnects in the past without knowing what caused them
[01:56] <nejode> Ryunix: the job of a router is to "route" an internal lan to a external wan
[01:57] <genii> Ryunix: If you have for instance <IP_ADDRESS> manually assigned to server, then also <IP_ADDRESS> which the router is getting as a static IP assigned by ISP, then how do you tell it how to route packets from <IP_ADDRESS> instance 1 to <IP_ADDRESS> instance 2  ? eg
[01:57] <nejode> ...and the lan should have the same class address
[01:57] <tacosarecool> ah the lag!
[01:59] <nejode> quit for the day... bye
[01:59] <Ryunix> genii nejode my comp static is a 192.168.x.xx and my gateway ip is a 192.168.x.xxx
[02:00] <Ryunix> will i have problems then ?
[02:00] <tacosarecool> Ah my graphics card is crap under 8.10
[02:00] <genii> Ryunix: No
[02:01] <Ryunix> genii: <3 k thnx  c u's im calling it a night
[02:01] <genii> Ryunix: If your netmask is <IP_ADDRESS>   then 192.168.X.1   is the usual gateway
[02:01] <Ryunix> k thnx dude
[02:01] <nalioth> tacosarecool: it was not i  :(
[02:01] <Ryunix> or dudette?
[02:03] <genii> Dude :)
[02:03]  * genii hands nalioth a coffee
[02:05]  * nalioth finds the coffee cold, after it's trip from #kubuntu-offtopic  :|
[02:08] <microchip420> heys everybody, I had a power interruption earlier, and now my system will not connect to the web consistently, I keep getting a 'server timeout' message for port 80. how can i fix this?
[02:15] <ardchoille> !printer > me
[02:16] <woody86> can someone help me out, I installed Kubuntu, and removed all the Ubuntu stuff, and now when I click on the Firefox icon in Kubuntu it says it has no Type=... entry??
[02:16] <chrisruls00> Is anyone here using the beta of the NVidia 96 series drivers? How do I set them up properly? I keep getting a white screen when the xserver starts if I try to use them.
[02:18] <jtisme> anyone using asus p5q mobo on 8.X
[02:20] <jtisme> woody86, 8.10
[02:20] <woody86> jtisme: yup
[02:21] <jtisme> i usually run ff from the launch area but let me fire up kub 8.10 and see what it has as it is diff than 8.04
[02:22] <dig> woody86: I assume type "firefox" in command line won't work?
[02:22] <unity`Buntu> mannn
[02:22] <unity`Buntu> im having trouble mounting my ntfs drive
[02:23] <jtisme> woody86, that should work but do  firefox& to put in background
[02:23] <jtisme> brb
[02:23] <woody86> dig, jtisme, thanks guys, I think when I removed all the Ubuntu stuff it removed FF because it comes installed on Ubuntu and not by default on Kubuntu :)
[02:24] <woody86> I just did 'firefox' in the terminal and it said to install it, so I'm going to try that first :P
[02:25] <woody86> but the logos, and launchers are still there for it??
[02:26] <dig> woody86: not sure, but I guess os
[02:29] <woody86> dig: yup, now it's working fine :D
[02:29] <dig> woody86: great!
[02:31] <woody86> now does anyone know of a good 24 hour digital clock widget I can change the timezone on?
[02:31] <unity`Buntu> gah
[02:32] <dig> !election > me
[02:32] <unity`Buntu> this sucks.
[02:32] <h00k> Blah.  Kopete can see my webcam, configure it, contacts cannot.
[02:32] <unity`Buntu> !gnump3d
[02:34] <h00k> Blah.  Kopete can see my webcam, configure it, contacts cannot see that I have one, any ideas,anyone?  Also, On campus (no ports blocked, etc)
[02:35] <sjdurfey> im trying to search for an install eclipse in kubuntu 8.10, and the command i am using is "sudo apt-cache search eclipse". its not even attempting to search the repos nor is it giving me an error message to inform me that i am using the command incorrectly. anyone have any idea what the problem is?
[02:36] <dr_willis> you dont need sudo with apt-cache search i belive
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> maybe the sudo
[02:36] <h00k> sjdurfey: I just did that....it searched for me, (the syntax appears correct)
[02:36] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install eclipse
[02:36] <dr_willis> perhaps
[02:37] <h00k> $ sudo apt-cache search eclipse
[02:37] <dr_willis> !info eclipse
[02:37] <dr_willis> apt-cache search eclipse
[02:37] <sjdurfey> i tried that, it informed me the package name was incorrect
[02:37] <h00k> sjdurfey: can you apt-get update, first?
[02:37] <sjdurfey> tried it without the sudo, and nothing happened
[02:37] <sjdurfey> ill try
[02:37] <woody86> dig: Obama is killing right now, but if you want to keep up with the election, check out http://www.myspace.com/decision08
[02:38] <dr_willis> It aint over till the last recount 7 months from now..! :)
[02:38] <woody86> dr_willis: haha, very true
[02:38] <sjdurfey> yeah, obama is distancing himself from mccain rather quickly, CNN has him at 194 electoral votes already
[02:38] <woody86> sjdurfey: yup, 194 to 90 :D
[02:39] <dr_willis> can we start yelling 'obama stole the election' allready? or are the Rep's allowed to do that? :)
[02:39] <sjdurfey> cnn still has mccain at 69
[02:39] <woody86> msnbc has obama at 200 and mccain at 85 :D
[02:39] <dr_willis> If anything - the last few elections ahve taught us no to trust CNN and the other news sites..
[02:39] <sjdurfey> haha, sounds like everyone has a different answer
[02:40] <dr_willis> We all know his popularity is due to the YouTube Obama-Babes videos! :)
[02:40] <woody86> well, all the major news networks are pollitical, so they're going to have some bias, and some may be slower to get info in than others
[02:40] <sjdurfey> haha, i only saw a brief picture of her once
[02:41] <dig> just one question: do you guys vote on weekend or it is possible to vote on weekday(skip work?)
[02:42] <woody86> dig: by law you are entitled to miss work to vote, and you're employer CANNOT repremand you in any way
[02:42] <sjdurfey> cnn is now saying obama won ohio, thats pretty key
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> police officers can't take vacation today though ;-)
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> I imagine they still get to vote
[02:43] <dig> great!
[02:43] <h00k> sjdurfey: how is the apt-cache?
[02:43] <woody86> JontheEchidna: haha, I'm sure they work it out as not to miss work, either through early voting, or absentee voting
[02:44] <sjdurfey> update is still running, i just installed 8.10, and i took a leave of absence from ubuntu for a while, and totally forgot i had to do that
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I just heard on the news that the officers aren't allowed to take vacation today :P
[02:44] <sjdurfey> my connection is so slow right now, the update is crawling by
[02:45] <h00k> sjdurfey: my condolances for a slow cxion
[02:45] <woody86> JontheEchidna: good thing I changed majors from Criminal justice to CIS :D
[02:45] <dig> When the result is likely out?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> depends on how close the election is
[02:45] <sjdurfey> i want to know who is sucking up allllll the bandwidth
[02:45] <dig> 2 hours possible?
[02:45] <sjdurfey> i can sometimes get about 1mb/sec down, right now its going around 14kb/sec :(
[02:46] <h00k> sjdurfey: maybe try a different mirror
[02:46] <woody86> dig: I'm not sure, normally these "not-official" vote counts are released early, but they have to "Officially" count them all and get the official tallies
[02:46] <sjdurfey> its not just the update, its everything i try to do
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> and in some timezones the polls won't be closed for a few hours yet
[02:46] <woody86> true
[02:46] <unity`Buntu> okay woah
[02:47] <woody86> california and Hawaii still have 2 hours left before they close
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> can anyone help me out with gnump3d
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> not 2 hours.
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> 1.25hr
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> in ca
[02:47] <woody86> unity`Buntu: ah :) thanks
[02:47] <dig> great!
[02:48] <woody86> the website just said "under 2 hours" so I figured I'd go with that
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> god.. please dont let mccain win...
[02:48] <sjdurfey> the ACM chapter at my school blows
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> anyway..
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> i got gnump3d running.
[02:48] <woody86> unity`Buntu: that's why so many people are voting this year, all us lazy democrats finally got off our butts :D
[02:48] <h00k> BBC says M: 124, O, 200
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> im wondering if theres a way to require a username/password to view the server..
[02:48] <sjdurfey> im trying to get some guys together to get an install fest organized at my school, but the chapter president doesnt seem to like to return emails
[02:49] <woody86> sjdurfey: where are you located?
[02:49] <sjdurfey> Bowling Green, OH
[02:49] <bluecopper> hi i finally got my upgrade done but its seems to be sketchy
[02:50] <woody86> sjdurfey: ah! Congrats on your state going to Obama :D I wish more people who started local user's groups would take their position more seriously :(
[02:50] <bluecopper> twice it just froze on me
[02:50] <ncfi1013_> how do i rip music tracks to amarok?
[02:50] <unity`Buntu> anyone know about it?
[02:50] <bluecopper> and that soon after getting to the desktop
[02:51] <sjdurfey> at the moment im not part of a users group, but there is one not too far from me and they agreed to help with the install fest, but i would like to have a few people help with advertising it, and setting up a booth in the student union so the other students can at least see what Ubuntu is all about
[02:51] <GillesMM> hello on 8.10 I can't drag and drog icons on task bar ? I have a forbidden symbol and my taskbar is unlocked idea ?
[02:51] <GillesMM> kde 4.1 ...
[02:51] <Ashex> What happened to the file copy manager that was in Hardy?
[02:54] <dr_willis> kde4 redid a lot of things GillesMM
[02:54] <GillesMM> dr_willis: :)
[02:54] <Ashex> it also took kde3 out back and shot it
[02:54] <Ashex> twice
[02:54] <dr_willis> Then laughed!
[02:54] <Ashex> with great mirth!
[02:54] <ArkoldThos> how I control how fans works?
[02:55] <h00k> and Office-Space-style baseball-bat it.
[02:55] <Ashex> ArkoldThos, use lm-sensors
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> GillesMM: it should be possible to drag it to the panel, just aim for the very top of the panel
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> dragging will become much easier in KDE 4.2
[02:55] <sjdurfey> ah sweet, its nice to see kubuntu has to window preview working for the programs in the task bar, i had openSuse installed for about a week, and it wasnt working, it looked really dumb to have this big black box without a preview inside it, haha
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> wonder if they forgot to re-enable the effect in KWin :P
[02:57]  * JontheEchidna finds a video
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Painless_Drop
[02:57] <sjdurfey> i need to get acquainted with KDE, im looking to write an app using Qt
[02:58] <Ashex> ArkoldThos, use it with fancontrol, and it'll do it
[02:58] <Ashex> ArkoldThos, when I setup fan control on my pc way back, I used this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[02:58] <vasilisa> my friend's using ibex. he's a bcm user, and he cant connect
[02:58] <vasilisa> we did the wcutter stuff, set up the driver, etc... nothing
[03:01] <draik> Has anyone else's Device Notifier taken a dump? I plug in my USB card reader and external HDD... nothing.
[03:02] <Ash-Fox> How does one disable the PC speaker beeps?
[03:02] <draik> K Menu > Computer > System Settings > Notifications
[03:02] <draik> There should be a tab for system beeps
[03:02] <draik> Disable those
[03:02] <draik> ^^ Ash-Fox
[03:02] <Ash-Fox> Draik, nah, issues exist in Wine and skype
[03:03] <Ash-Fox> Not KDE application specific
[03:03] <draik> Ash-Fox: Sorry.
[03:04] <Ashex> So, I'm not entirely sure if this is a bug
[03:04] <Ashex> Plug in ntfs drive
[03:04] <Ashex> get detection and prompt to enter password
[03:04] <Ashex> enter password, but it doesn't mount due to a unclean unmount from last time around
[03:04] <Ashex> but, there's no prompt or message about this
[03:05] <Ashex> the password prompt goes away, and the icon in Dolphin doesn't change. Clicking the icon does nothing
[03:05] <Ashex> Would that be a reportable bug or a regression?
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> Ash-Fox: kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> add the line
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> blacklist pcspkr
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> save, reboot
[03:06] <Ashex> JontheEchidna, ha, I've been trying to figure out how to disable it for years
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[03:06] <Ash-Fox> JontheEchidna, thank god
[03:06] <Ash-Fox> It's only been bugging me with this laptop, because alsamixer doesn't let me turn it off
[03:06] <aaroncampbell> I re-installed compiz and emerald, but I now have no themes in emerald, and compiz still doesn't start right :|
[03:06]  * Ash-Fox rmmods it
[03:06] <woody86> how can I add a launcher like in 8.04 where it has a block of 4 little launchers together?
[03:07] <Ashex> so, anyone? reportable bug or not?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> it probably should tell you if it fails
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> I'd file it against kde4libs
[03:10] <draik> Bad Device Notifier. I had to reload it
[03:10] <draik> How do I make it so that Dolphin is not the option within New Device Notifier?
[03:10] <_2> what is the best way to tell if i disk has a fileystem on it ?    fsck ?
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> draik: currently that is hardcoded
[03:11] <draik> JontheEchidna: Any signs of a possible change?
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> yes, don't know how soon
[03:12] <draik> JontheEchidna: Ok.
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158938
[03:12] <\Kira> Whats a command that can add a user to a group, without creating a new group or user or changing the users main group?
[03:13] <_2> \Kira usermod -aG group user
[03:13] <\Kira> _2: thanks
[03:13] <draik> Has anyone else experienced text which looks like it is being garbled and almost looks somewhat pixilated or in a horrible block font?
[03:13] <draik> I wish I had a screenshot right now
[03:13] <_2> \Kira better referance the man page.    that was from memory.
[03:14] <\Kira> _2: yeah, i was just looking for somewere to get started anyway
[03:17] <\Kira> _2: yeah, that command was right
[03:27] <draik> I have come to realize that I don't care about the bugs as much. I really love the new 8.10 look and feel for how it is set up for users. Feels... uncluttered, if that makes sense.
[03:28] <h00k> draik: still free to still report them if you find them,
[03:28] <draik> h00k: I know. I'm liking it just the same.
[03:29] <h00k> draik: :) good
[03:52] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my ubuntu 8.04 boxs internet connection with my xbox 360 with firestarter. the thing is i want to give all the connections that come from and go to my xbox 360 high priority (QoS) so that i dont lag. Can anyone help me out on how i can make all the connections that come from and go to my 360 get the highest priority possible. (my 360 is always connected to the same ehernet card and always has the same ip. Thanks
[04:06] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my ubuntu 8.04 boxs internet connection with my xbox 360 with firestarter. the thing is i want to give all the connections that come from and go to my xbox 360 high priority (QoS) so that i dont lag. Can anyone help me out on how i can make all the connections that come from and go to my 360 get the highest priority possible. (my 360 is always connected to the same ehernet card and always has the same ip. Thanks
[04:07] <sjdurfey> Obama kicks McCains ass
[04:07] <dig> ya!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:07] <tiklado> what could be an alternative for parallel desktop?
[04:08] <sjdurfey> this election wasnt even close
[04:08] <tacosarecool> Hooray!
[04:08] <tacosarecool> I'm so happy!
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> I bet Obama voted for McCain just cause he could
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> :P
[04:09] <genii> It's slow here right now, but please remember politics is !ot
[04:09] <scribbles> I can hear the people upstairs screaming
[04:09] <scribbles> doors are slamming in my apartment buildling
[04:09] <tacosarecool> woot!
[04:09] <scribbles> people yelling yesssss
[04:09] <tacosarecool> Sounds like a fun apartment
[04:09] <scribbles> :)
[04:10] <genii> I wonder if they use Kubuntu ;)
[04:10] <scribbles> just maybe
[04:10] <scribbles> it is for human beings you know ;)
[04:10] <genii> scribbles: This is true!
[04:10] <dig> that will be cool.
[04:11] <tiklado> do you think obama winning US election can somehow uplift the condition of people in africa and other 3rd world countries?
[04:11] <dig> !ot > me
[04:13] <tacosarecool> Probably
[04:13] <genii> tiklado: Perhaps if they subsidise a crapload of cheap laptops running Kubuntu
[04:14] <tacosarecool> because Obama doesn't support the war I think even though the controversy said so I don't think he will support the war
[04:14] <tiklado> hahaha
[04:14] <genii> !ot
[04:14] <genii> Try and remeber that ##politics exists :)
[04:15] <sjdurfey> tiklado: the economist did a survey of all the countries around the world, and something like 95% of the people who responded would have voted for Obama
[04:15] <tiklado> well it doesnt matter if obama will support the war, but the fact is US industries relies on weapons for war..how can US survive the recession if it will not support the war?
[04:15] <woody86> is there any way to add the 5-a-day applet to Kubuntu?
[04:16] <genii> Does anyone have any outstanding Kubuntu support issues?
[04:16] <tiklado> quite paradoxical..i think..but i think Obama winning is somehow a step towards global peace..what you think people?
[04:16] <genii> woody86: Yes, it works same on Kubuntu as on regular Ubuntu
[04:17] <woody86> genii: I ran all the stuff on the wiki page, and installed the 5-a-day applet, but can't find it when I click on "Add Applet" on the panel?
[04:17] <genii> tiklado: I think we need to remember to stay ontopic and not discuss politics in the support channel to such an extent
[04:18] <genii> woody86: OK, give me a minute to look into it
[04:18] <woody86> genii: I'm running 8.10 just FYI, thanks :)
[04:19] <tiklado> well i think poen source software is a political issue..anyway..
[04:19] <tacosarecool> I'm running 8.10 but it doesn't support x300 linux is supposed to support older hardware I think this canonical is trying to make a vista
[04:19] <genii> tiklado: Yes, but not much to do with helping people solve their Kubuntu support issues in this channel. Which is it's purpose
[04:19] <woody86> tiklado: I was just thinking that! Windows is the republicans, Mac is the Dems, and Linux is the Green Party :D
[04:20] <tacosarecool> But who's the liberterians?
[04:20] <tacosarecool> and the peace and freedom?
[04:20] <woody86> nobody cares about them :P
[04:20] <woody86> lol
[04:20] <genii> woody86: Best I can do right now is point you to the Kubuntu-specific 5-a-day https://wiki.kubuntu.org/5-A-Day
[04:20] <tacosarecool> nader was peace and freedom
[04:20] <tiklado> well linux will never be green..i think it is more of red..
[04:20] <woody86> genii: ok thanks, I was using the ubuntu one before, so hopefully this will work :D
[04:21] <tiklado> well i think it is time to stop this shit..
[04:21] <tiklado> okay..thanks guys..:P
[04:21] <woody86> tiklado: ah ah ah, PG language
[04:21] <tacosarecool> Oh the lag
[04:22] <tiklado> sorry..do you guys know how am i going to run my other OS without rebooting from kubuntu?
[04:23] <genii> tiklado: Inside a VM, possibly?
[04:23] <woody86> what's the KDE equivelent of "deb" in a terminal?
[04:24] <genii> woody86: You mean to install a package?
[04:24] <tiklado> VM?
[04:24] <woody86> genii: I guess so, it says to deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/5-a-day/ubuntu intrepid main
[04:24] <woody86> but terminal says "deb"s not known
[04:24] <genii> woody86: deb is same for all *buntu  ..... lag... Ah, they mean to add this to your repository list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <woody86> genii: why won't typing in "deb" work though?
[04:26] <genii> woody86: Because "deb" is not any name of some command
[04:26] <tacosarecool> Lag wish I had new graphics card
[04:26] <woody86> genii: then why does it want me to put that in a terminal?
[04:27] <genii> woody86: echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/5-a-day/ubuntu intrepid main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[04:27] <woody86> genii: ah, wait, nevermind, I got it now :)
[04:27] <genii> woody86: Ah, good :)
[04:28] <thedark_> I am not able to record in Audacity
[04:28] <thedark_> anyone can give me any ideas what to look for?
[04:29] <tacosarecool> Go to kmix
[04:29] <tacosarecool> And make sure you mic is capturing
[04:30] <genii> The Intel HDA cards also are known for mic issues without recompiling alsa as described in the !intelhda factoid
[04:31] <thedark_> aw man... I am newb I can't recompile :(
[04:31] <thedark_> okay I have kmix open
[04:32] <thedark_> there is no mute/unmute button for the mic boost channel
[04:32] <thedark_> but it is at max volume
[04:33] <woody86> genii: I went through all the 5-A-Day instructions, but it's still not in my list of applets?
[04:33] <genii> thedark_: In Konsole, if you issue:  lspci -nn | grep Audio    what says it?
[04:34] <thedark_> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)
[04:34] <genii> thedark_: You have one of those Intel HDA cards I was talking about
[04:35] <favro> !intelhda
[04:36] <genii> favro: Yup, thats the one
[04:36] <genii> woody86: I'm asking now in #kubuntu-bugs but it seems fairly slow there right now :/
[04:37] <woody86> genii: ah, thanks again :)
[04:40] <draik> How do I get the Menu to appear under the GIMP window. I don't have File Edit View, etc
[04:41] <genii> woody86: I need to go /away however perhaps keep asking every so often on this subject in channel #kubuntu-bugs
[04:42] <thedark_> the advice it has for mics isn't really helpful...
[04:42] <woody86> ok thanks genii :D
[04:43] <thedark_> I don't have windows
[04:44] <genii> thedark_: Skip to part where it reads "Update to the Latest Version of ALSA"   then just follow instructions there
[04:44] <genii> OK, gotta really leave now... gnite
[04:45] <thedark_> night
[05:00] <robd> Hey guys
[05:00] <robd> Just curious, what's the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[05:00] <robd> Is it literally KDE vs Gnome or are there other package differences?
[05:00] <rrittenhouse> I just installed Kubuntu 8.10 64bit with the Desktop cd by choosing "Install Kubuntu" at the first screen. It installed pretty quick. I rebooted to be dropped into a terminal. I had to startx myself, is this normal?
[05:01] <faileas> no
[05:01] <rrittenhouse> hmm
[05:01] <rrittenhouse> the one time I trust a desktop install :P
[05:07] <draik> How do I get the Menu to appear under the GIMP window. I don't have File Edit View, etc
[05:08] <draik> Where do I submit a bug for firefox3? You can't rename a file that you are going to save. Filename must be preserved. Gives you a server error for file not found.
[05:35] <thedark_> ...
[05:39] <dennister> anyone know how to get in touch with ubuntu forums? I'm registered, but can't reset password with their method/links, and can't therefore, login, either
[05:40] <dennister> their usual reset-password system is broken :(
[05:44] <Sokal-EC> is kopete for yahoo?
[05:44] <emilsedgh> Sokal-EC: it could comnnect to yahoo too
[05:45] <draik> I have issues with "Error 1 - name lookup has failed" from time to time
[05:45] <Sokal-EC> i forget whats the one with yahoo rooms and stuff
[05:45] <Sokal-EC> gaim?
[05:46] <draik> !gaim | Sokal-EC
[05:47] <draik> My only gripe with Kopete is the constant disconnect from Yahoo
[05:48] <|JD|> hi, how do i get a .jar file to execute on kubuntu rather than be opened by ark/archive manager
[05:48] <|JD|> e.e
[05:59] <\Kira> I cant write to a external harddisk mounted on my ubuntu server im connected by ssh to. Any help?
[06:00] <\Kira> Ohh, sorry. Thats not kubuntu related
[06:00] <\Kira> I usually go to this channel when I dont get answered on ubutnu because i run kubuntu, my bad
[06:03] <draik> \Kira: Permission issue? "sudo" maybe?
[06:03] <\Kira> draik: even sudo has insufficient permissions
[06:04] <draik> What's the error message?
[06:20] <sparr> when kvirc launches kfmclient for a http URL, and kfmclient launches firefox, my existing firefox instance is moved to the current desktop.  this is new and unwanted behavior in kde 4 / kubuntu intrepid.  how can i fix it?
[06:26] <Sokal-EC> ok why does firefox not show up in kmenu?
[06:29] <sparr> none of the keyboard shortcuts for the Run Command Interface component are working for me.  alt+f2, ctrl+alt+del, etc
[06:29] <sparr> kde4 might have been ready if they had waited one more release :(
[06:30] <sparr> how do i configure a vpn connection in kubuntu intrepid?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> sparr: run krunner
[06:32] <sparr> and then?
[06:33] <sparr> krunner
[06:33] <sparr> <unknown program name>(1750)/: Communication problem with  "krunner" , it probably crashed.
[06:33] <sparr> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." "
[06:33] <DaSkreech> sparr: there is your alt+F2
[06:33] <DaSkreech> That's why alt=F2 doesn't work
[06:33] <proteusguy> I just noticed kdf is gone from intrepid. Why was it removed and what is the pdf viewer recommended now?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> proteusguy: okular
[06:34] <emilsedgh> proteusguy: okular rocks!
[06:34] <proteusguy> thanx guys!
[06:34] <sparr> any further suggestions?
[06:34] <emilsedgh> proteusguy: "Okular is a universal document viewer based on KPDF for KDE 4. "
[06:35] <emilsedgh> sparr: try running kded (maybe kded4)
[06:35] <emilsedgh> it may solve it
[06:35] <DaSkreech> sparr: do you have qdbus running?
[06:35] <sparr> kded
[06:35] <sparr> KDE Daemon (kded) already running.
[06:36] <sparr> kded4
[06:36] <sparr> kded(1853): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[06:36] <sparr> DaSkreech: probably not
[06:36] <DaSkreech> smelt like it
[06:36] <sparr> qdbus
[06:36] <sparr> Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-p3BlrnO7O0: Connection refused
[06:36] <proteusguy> DaSkreech emilsedgh - okular does look pretty nice. regards.
[06:36] <DaSkreech> proteusguy: It's leagues ahead of KPDF
[06:37] <DaSkreech> sparr: sort out dbus then you'll be ok
[06:37] <sparr> i have no idea what you mean
[06:37] <emilsedgh> sparr: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[06:37] <sparr> the only thing i ever used dbus for before is fspot
[06:37] <DaSkreech> sparr: prepare to have that change
[06:38] <sparr> ok, restarted dbus
[06:38] <sparr> which restarted a number of services
[06:40] <sparr> no change in output of qdbus
[06:40] <sparr> and now alt-tab doesnt work either
[06:40]  * sparr wants hardy back
[06:40] <faileas> sparr: reinstall it then, or virtualise it
[06:41] <sparr> about due for a reinstall, been going for a few years on this box
[06:42] <sparr> but, right now, id like to resolve this problem so that i can at least effectively troubleshoot my other problems
[06:42] <sparr> new output:
[06:42] <sparr> krunner
[06:42] <sparr> <unknown program name>(2670)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[06:42] <sparr> <unknown program name>(2669)/: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[06:44] <sparr> i know nothing about dbus
[06:44] <DaSkreech> huh?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Krunner is running already?
[06:45] <sparr> 4 instances of krunner are running
[06:45] <dig> !krunner > me
[06:46] <emilsedgh> sparr: that must be a common problem, i have this problem time to time on kde svn, so i think searching about it will help
[06:46] <DaSkreech> It's a Uniqie app so yeah they probably should die
[06:48] <sparr> im going to reboot
[06:48] <sparr> i HATE rebooting to fix problems
[06:48] <DaSkreech> sparr: you could level bounce
[06:49] <sparr> http://rafb.net/p/wjHfmM46.html
[06:49] <sparr> food for thought while im gone
[06:49] <DaSkreech> sudo init 1; sudo init 2
[06:50] <faileas> hmm.. anyone else having problems with medibuntu?
[06:50] <illmortal> Can someone assist me in mounting my windows hard drive? Right clickin and clickin on "mount" doesn't do the trick
[06:50] <ForgeAus> hey all
[06:50] <faileas> illmortal: what error does it give? and was it shut down properly perviously?
[06:51] <ForgeAus> how do I use dd if=/dev/hda of=grldr bs=512 count=1 if it can't find /dev/hda (I don't understand why it can't find /dev/hda
[06:51] <illmortal> no error what so ever.
[06:51] <faileas> ForgeAus: won't do anything i think. might bitch
[06:51] <illmortal> it acts like it's mountin but doesn't, faileas
[06:51] <dig> illmortal: can you see windows hard disks?
[06:51] <faileas> http://pastebin.com/m32a30282 is the error i have when i try to run apt-get update
[06:52] <ForgeAus> faileas then how do I copy the boot sector to a file?
[06:52] <illmortal> yep, the disk is shown in the storage folder but when i click on it i go into an empty folder
[06:52] <dig> illmortal: May I suggest you login into windows, then back to kubuntu
[06:52] <ForgeAus> I thought that was the command to do it
[06:52] <illmortal> that's the problem dig... windows took a crap and now im tryin to figure out how i can get some files back
[06:52] <illmortal> windows keeps restartin as soon as im about to log in.
[06:52] <ForgeAus> (note the of= bit I modified from backup.boot
[06:52] <faileas> illmortal: ahh. you might want to try mounting it in CLI
[06:53] <illmortal> cli?
[06:53] <faileas> command line
[06:53] <illmortal> konsole?
[06:53] <ForgeAus> to grldr (since I want it to be the grub loader boot sector)
[06:53] <faileas> illmortal: yes
[06:53] <ForgeAus> (which is what it currently is)
[06:53] <illmortal> how would i go about that?
[06:53] <faileas> I think it would be like sudo  mkdir /media/foo (to make a mountpoint)
[06:54] <faileas> then sudo mount /dev/sdx1 (or whatever the drive name is) /media/foo
[06:54] <illmortal> foo?...
[06:54] <faileas> it will then bitch and give you the correct command if its a locked drive
[06:54] <faileas> illmortal: well you can replace foo with anything
[06:54] <faileas> it needs to be /media/mountpointname
[06:55] <illmortal> you're losin me.
[06:56] <illmortal> sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[06:56] <illmortal> sudo mount /dev/sda1
[06:56] <illmortal> right?
[06:56] <faileas> no no
[06:56] <faileas> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:56] <faileas> first step is making a mount point. the second is mounting a drive to that mount point
[06:57] <faileas> i wonder
[06:57] <faileas> !mount
[06:57] <faileas> nope
[06:57] <illmortal> Operation not supported
[06:57] <illmortal> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use
[06:57] <faileas> ahh
[06:57] <faileas> does it give an alternate command?
[06:57] <illmortal> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o force
[06:58] <faileas> ya..
[06:58] <illmortal> "if i don't have windows"
[06:58] <faileas> dosen't matter
[06:58] <illmortal> ni8ce!
[06:58] <faileas> the 'correct' way to do it is to booth into windows, and shutdown ;p
[06:58] <illmortal> nice!*
[06:58] <faileas> that's the 'unsafe' way ;p
[07:00] <illmortal> thank you faileas :P
[07:00] <faileas> illmortal: np. hope you get your data out :)
[07:01] <Creed> Hello
[07:01] <ForgeAus> hey Creed :)
[07:01] <ForgeAus> faileas uh is / supposed to be also mounted as a media/hdx ?
[07:01] <Creed> I am very new to the linux community and have a question
[07:02] <ForgeAus> Creed, just ask it
[07:02] <ForgeAus> asking to ask something is pointless lol
[07:02] <faileas> ForgeAus: er... root isn't supposed to be mounted as anything but root. root tends to be ON a parttion methinks
[07:02] <sparr> back.  reboot fixed dbus problems it seems
[07:02] <sparr> so now back to my real question.  how do i get a vpn working in kde4?
[07:02] <ForgeAus> yes faileas, ok, so how do I get a copy of my boot sector?
[07:03] <ForgeAus> in fact where exactly is the boot sector? is it on hda, hda1, hda2 (where hda2 = / afaik)
[07:03] <faileas> ForgeAus: er... sadly enough, no idea. never done it before
[07:03] <faileas> its on HDA i think
[07:03] <faileas> its supposed to be kinda 'outside' the standard partitions
[07:03] <Creed> I was trying to do a distro up over wireless connection after all the packages were fininshed downloading and the instalation had begun I lost my wireless connection and the install broke
[07:03] <ForgeAus> well the command is generally something like dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.boot bs=512 count=1
[07:03] <ForgeAus> (where backup.boot = the filename)
[07:04] <ForgeAus> but when I do that, I get it telling me dd: opening `/dev/hda': No such file or directory
[07:04] <faileas> hmm
[07:04] <ForgeAus> maybe its hda1 or / instead?
[07:04] <Creed> now X will not load all I can access is command line
[07:04] <ForgeAus> ie /dev/hda1 or / ??? but / doesn't sound right to me
[07:04] <ForgeAus> hmm why doesn't grub have a grldr of its own lol grub4dos does
[07:05] <ForgeAus> (but I doubt that one would work with linux)
[07:05] <ForgeAus> I might ask in #grub maybe they'll know
[07:05] <faileas> hmm
[07:05] <faileas> actually i think mine has a uldr or something
[07:05] <faileas> one moment
[07:06] <Creed> is there a way to connect to a wireless network over command line
[07:06] <sparr> Creed: yes
[07:07] <ForgeAus> faileas does stage1 or one of those files = the boot sector anyway?
[07:07] <faileas> ForgeAus: i don't mess with grub
[07:07] <faileas> its a TIFM for me
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm not changing it, I'm trying to make a copy for ntldr to chain to it
[07:08] <ForgeAus> It worked ok when I did it on my pc, can't remember how I did it exactly but I think I just used the format of the command I pasted
[07:08] <ForgeAus> just this time its giving me an error I'm not sure why exactly
[07:08] <Creed> Sparr: what is the commands to do so
[07:09] <sparr> Creed: dont remember, sorry
[07:09] <faileas> ForgeAus: oh, when ntldr chained it, i seemed to have a gldr or something on my drive. this was on wubi tho
[07:09] <sparr> busy re-learning command line stuff for VPNs
[07:09] <sparr> since kde4 doesnt have vpn support yet (wtf)
[07:09] <Creed> thanks
[07:09] <grizzancs> ForgeAus: maybe it's /dev/sda  now ?
[07:09] <sparr> gonna switch over to gnome and give this a shot
[07:09] <faileas> .....
[07:09] <ForgeAus> no grizzancs this pc has only IDE drives no sata
[07:09] <faileas> ForgeAus: he's right
[07:09] <ForgeAus> but otherwise you'd be right (or if it were scsi or other)
[07:09] <faileas> on newer kernels EVERYTHING is SDA
[07:10] <Creed> Does anybody else know how to make a wireless network connection via command line
[07:10] <faileas> SDX even
[07:10] <ForgeAus> really? this is only feisty anyway
[07:10] <faileas> Creed: most likely NetworkManager
[07:10] <faileas> the app. never used it myself tho
[07:11] <grizzancs> ForgeAus: ls /dev/?da  will tell you
[07:11] <ForgeAus> uh?
[07:11] <ForgeAus> that didn't do anything
[07:11] <ForgeAus> just took me back to a commandline
[07:11] <grizzancs> hmm, interesting
[07:11] <Creed> I am sorry but like I said I am new to linux command line interface
[07:11] <ForgeAus> oh wait I used an I not an l
[07:12] <ForgeAus> its ok... yeah says no such file or directory
[07:12] <grizzancs> where are your hard drives? :D is that only one hard drive in your pc ?
[07:12] <grizzancs> *there
[07:12] <Creed> I need to know the exact command string
[07:13] <ForgeAus> actually I don't get why /dev/hda doesn't exist thats weird
[07:13] <grizzancs> me neither. type mount, and check what drive is / mounted on
[07:13] <ForgeAus> ok look slike your right sda
[07:13] <ForgeAus> maybe thats why
[07:13] <faileas> Creed: try man iwconfig
[07:13] <faileas> man iwconfig
[07:14] <ForgeAus> thats very odd, since /media/hda1 is mounted there
[07:14] <ForgeAus> I just assumed everything was hda (also being that its an ide not sata drive)
[07:14] <ForgeAus> ok retrying with sda
[07:15] <Creed> faileas: thank you very much
[07:15] <faileas> Creed: np. did it work?
[07:17] <Creed> I dual boot between WinXP and Kubuntu at the moment I am on XP I will try this after rebooting
[07:19] <faileas> kk
[07:20] <faileas> Creed: man = manual page. fraid you'll have to make sense of it, but that should put you in the right direction i suspect
[07:23] <ForgeAus> must have been feisty where the changeover to sda was...
[07:24] <ForgeAus> I don't understand why mtab (and/or fstab) are mounting a device thats sda1 and calling it hda1 ... thats very confusing
[07:24] <sparr> stuck using gnome so i can get on a vpn
[07:24] <sparr> how annoying
[07:24] <weedar> just as annoying as not being able to use the keyboard and mouse because they
[07:24] <weedar> 're bluetooth
[07:28] <sparr> ForgeAus: old naming scheme vs new naming scheme?
[07:28] <ForgeAus> ahh looks like it worked :)
[07:29] <ForgeAus> yeah sparr, I think so
[07:29] <ectospasm> so I'm warming up to KDE4... the interface is really slick, but I wish I could say it was intuitive or easy to use.  It's not, at least in the way that I expect
[07:29] <ForgeAus> whatever uses mtab might have kept it for compatibility purposes or something
[07:29] <ForgeAus> ectospasm, could be worse but yes for the most part I agree with you
[07:29] <ectospasm> I have an issue that I don't even know how to begin to report:  adding and removing widgets in a reliable manner escapes me
[07:29] <ForgeAus> I'm still not entirely happy with kde4 yet....
[07:30] <ectospasm> ...to the panel, I mean.
[07:30] <ForgeAus> uh the only problem I've had there is some of the widgets don't have an icon for me...
[07:30] <ForgeAus> but adding and removing them they show up a number in the add/remove widgets box
[07:31] <ForgeAus> so you just click the minus button to remove one
[07:31] <ectospasm> ForgeAus: how do you add them?  Making the star yellow?  THat doesn't always work for me
[07:31] <ForgeAus> no making the star yellow afiak sets them as a favourite or something, I don't know I don't use the star
[07:31] <faileas> ectospasm: select and hit the add button?
[07:31] <ectospasm> And clicking the red minus removes all the widgets, from all panels, not just the ones I want to remove
[07:31] <ectospasm> faileas: that doesn't work all the time for me, and I can't figure out why
[07:31] <DarkriftX> i have a window that died on me
[07:32] <ForgeAus> uh, really? theres another red minus somewhere... or somethings wrong or your KDE4 is different from mine
[07:32] <DarkriftX> cant get it to go away, how do i find out what process owns it?
[07:32] <ectospasm> DarkriftX: xkill
[07:32] <ectospasm> Alt-F2 and run xkill
[07:33] <DarkriftX> nice
[07:33] <DarkriftX> thx
[07:33] <DarkriftX> maybe you guys could help with my other problem :(
[07:33] <DarkriftX> ok, i have "for i in $(busybox|grep .*,.*,.*,.*); do echo $i; done" but $i always has a comma at the end. what would be the best command line method to remove the comma? (i know my regex sucks)
[07:33] <ectospasm> I'm glad that worked... had to run Alt-F2 myself to make sure it still worked
[07:33] <ectospasm> busybox is teh suck
[07:34] <ectospasm> I hate it at work
[07:34] <DarkriftX> its for a phone lol
[07:34] <DarkriftX> this is on the tmobile g1
[07:34] <DarkriftX> lots of commands missing, we are using busybox to add them in
[07:34] <ectospasm> why the commas?
[07:34] <DarkriftX> basically i want a script to read the list of all busybox commands and do "cp -s busybox $i"
[07:34] <DarkriftX> because all lines with 3+ commas are a list of commands
[07:34] <DarkriftX> other lines are text descriptions
[07:35] <ectospasm> you probably want to wrap the regex in quotes, so the shell doesn't interpret the expression
[07:35] <DarkriftX> k
[07:36] <ectospasm> that's only a guess, and the grep on the g1 may be effectively worthless
[07:36] <DarkriftX> so how do i remove a comma from $i on every line?
[07:36] <DarkriftX> its busybox grep lol
[07:36] <DarkriftX> its working though
[07:36] <DarkriftX> just has command,
[07:36] <ectospasm> try sed
[07:36] <ectospasm> that's about the best I can offer, since I don't know sed
[07:37] <ectospasm> or awk
[07:37] <ectospasm> and my perl is so rusty it's not useful to anybody, even me
[07:39] <DarkriftX> how do i say "for i in command; do this and do this; done"
[07:39] <DarkriftX> the and part i dont know how to do
[07:40] <DarkriftX> | caused probs lol
[07:40] <DarkriftX> or is it &
[07:40] <ectospasm> DarkriftX:  cmd1 && cmd2 [&& cmd3...]
[07:41] <ectospasm> if cmd1 fails, it won't execute cmd2
[07:41] <illmortal> Hey guys.... I have to reinstall windows and I wanted to know if that's possible without gettin in the way of my Linux install?
[07:42] <ardchoille> DarkriftX: http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Linux/CondExe
[07:42] <DarkriftX> checking
[07:42] <faileas> illmortal: look up reinstalling grub
[07:42] <illmortal> ok
[07:42] <DarkriftX> oh, ok
[07:42] <DarkriftX> thx
[07:42] <grizzancs> DarkriftX: or if you don't want to stop at fail you can just use  ;
[07:42] <DarkriftX> ok
[07:42] <illmortal> wait... will i need a floppy drive, faileas?
[07:43] <faileas> !grub
[07:43] <DarkriftX> i still dont see how to use awk or sed to do this
[07:43] <faileas> ;)
[07:44] <illmortal> alright time to re-install winblows.
[07:44] <illmortal> bbl =\
[07:44] <DarkriftX> man
[07:44] <ardchoille> DarkriftX: you can remove every comma from a file with:  sed -i 's/,//g' filename
[07:45] <DarkriftX> ive tried everything
[07:45] <DarkriftX> its not a file
[07:45] <DarkriftX> its piped from another command
[07:45] <DarkriftX> for i in $(busybox|grep .*,.*,.*,.*); do echo $i; done
[07:45] <DarkriftX> but $i always has a comma at the end
[07:45] <DarkriftX> the output is always "text,"
[07:46] <ardchoille> DarkriftX:  try this in a terminal:  echo "this is, a test" | sed 's/,//g'
[07:47] <dwidmann> Well, another thing that could be tried is to pipe it into tr ',' ''
[07:48] <dwidmann> hmm, seems it won't like emptyness though :\
[07:48] <DarkriftX> if i do sed anything with just "sed 'something here'" it locks up
[07:48] <DarkriftX> and i cant press ctrl+c in here
[07:48] <DarkriftX> so its a reboot
[07:50] <DarkriftX> space would work lol
[07:51] <DarkriftX> damnit
[07:51] <DarkriftX> everything i do puts me in interactive mode with something
[07:51] <DarkriftX> and i have to reboot to get out
[07:54] <ardchoille> DarkriftX: Don't ctrl+c or "q" or Esc work?
[07:55] <DarkriftX> for i in $(busybox|grep '.*,.*,.*,.*'); do XXXXX; done <-----what would be the format if i wanted XXXXX to 'tr "," " " | echo $output' (and what would be $output's name?
[07:55] <DarkriftX> ctrl+c kills my connection to the device
[07:55] <DarkriftX> q and esc do nothing
[07:55] <Creed> hello
[07:57] <DarkriftX> screw it
[08:13] <Seaboy> hey guys
[08:14] <springo> hey
[08:14] <springo> how are you?
[08:15] <Seaboy> fine
[08:15] <Seaboy> when I was in my kubuntu desktop. suddenly everything changed to white, and after rebooting splash screen is ok, but after logging in, again just awhite screen, what's the problem?
[08:16] <eagle_y2> hiya
[08:17] <eagle_y2> just installed kubuntu 8.10
[08:17] <Seaboy> any idea?
[08:17] <eagle_y2> but can't login
[08:17] <eagle_y2> any idea
[08:17] <jussi01> Seaboy: did you enable desktop effects?
[08:18] <noaXess> hi all.. wasup?
[08:18] <noaXess> on kubuntu planet :)
[08:18] <eagle_y2> can someone figure out watz wrong with my installation
[08:18] <Seaboy> jussi01: no, I did it before and have the same problem, but after that i've disabled it
[08:18] <noaXess> just a question for scanning.. i use kooka for scanning documents or pics.. but with kooka i can't create a pdf directly..
[08:18] <noaXess> is there any other scan tool for kde that can directly create pdfs?
[08:19] <eagle_y2> kubuntu 8.10 is crashing after i m entering my login
[08:19] <Seaboy> jussi01: but I've installed nvidia-glx-173,
[08:19] <vasilisa> This bug is really stressing me out, and ive googled it to death.... "Unable to create io-slave. klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'trash'.
[08:19] <vasilisa> i cant delete files to trash using gwenview
[08:19] <vasilisa> what does that error even mean?
[08:20] <jussi01> eagle_y2: does it crash or jsut go back to the login screen?
[08:20] <eagle_y2> it crashes
[08:20] <Seaboy> how can I reset xorg settings to default?
[08:20] <eagle_y2> displayes KDE 4.1 one hdd icon then keyboard stops responding
[08:21] <vasilisa> Seaboy: usually sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh does it... but back up your xorg before doing that
[08:22] <Seaboy> vasilisa: and you think it may solve my problem?
[08:23] <vasilisa> Seaboy: Perhaps. Another way is to run envy-ng, it makes xorg for you and installs the latest driver for your gfx card
[08:23] <eagle_y2> jussi01 can u figure out
[08:24] <Seaboy> vasilisa: thanks, i'm going to try it
[08:24] <vasilisa> cool
[08:24] <vasilisa> ahem so anyway
[08:24] <vasilisa>  "Unable to create io-slave. klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'trash'.
[08:24] <vasilisa> i dont like that bug, any ideas?
[08:25] <ardchoille> vasilisa: when do you get that error?
[08:25] <vasilisa> ardchoille: When i try to delete a picture in gwenview
[08:26] <ardchoille> ok
[08:27] <eagle_y2> guys kubuntu 8.10 is crashing after i m entering my login details ? any idea
[08:27] <ardchoille> eagle_y2: any useful info in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:28] <eagle_y2> not tried w8 i ll chk
[08:33] <ardchoille> I guess not
[08:40] <Seaboy> how can I use envy to install my driver in console mode?
[08:41] <ardchoille> !envy | Seaboy
[08:42] <Seaboy> ubottu: I have a problem with my desktop that only shows a white screen, sb told me it may help
[08:45] <ardchoille> !bot | Seaboy
[08:45] <ardchoille> Seaboy: Have you tried asking in the forums?
[08:46] <roy_> how to do manual updates in kubuntu?
[08:47] <ardchoille> roy_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:48] <roy_> ardchoille: is there a update manager as compare to ubuntu?
[08:48] <noaXess> if i print eg from firefox or gimp, i can't change the printing orientation: portrait or landscape.. any idea why?
[08:48] <ardchoille> roy_: No idea, I always do it from command line
[08:48] <Seaboy> ardchoille: no, I just have one desktop, and the problem happened for that, and now I'm in live mode so I need to get my answer fast
[08:49] <ardchoille> Seaboy: there's another channel you might try
[08:49] <ardchoille> !forums | Seaboy
[08:49] <ardchoille> noaXess: those apps are gtk-based, you might try asking in #ubuntu
[08:50] <noaXess> ardchoille: okay.. but do you use firefox on kubuntu?
[08:50] <ardchoille> noaXess: I do
[08:51] <noaXess> and printing? have you ever print a site and tried in lanscape oriantation?
[08:51] <ardchoille> but I've never owned a printer
[08:51] <noaXess> aha :)
[08:51] <noaXess> ardchoille: is there a gtk settings tool within kubuntu?
[08:52] <ardchoille> noaXess: not for printing and the like
[08:52] <noaXess> ok
[08:53] <eagle_y2j> kubuntu crashing at login any help
[08:53] <exia_> hi guys.. can anybody tell me how to disable NAT or send packets from localhost to global net? i mean my shoutcast server works perfect on localhost:8000, but i also use no-ip daemon which also works perfect... but when i try to add :8000 to my domain, it doenst want to load anything
[08:53] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: did you find any info in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:53] <exia_> so shoutcast informs me that i must disable some nat, firewall etc.
[08:53] <eagle_y2j> its says permission denied
[08:54] <exia_> yes
[08:54] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: aha :)
[08:54] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille i tried sudo ~/.xsession-errors too
[08:54] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: do you get permission denied when trying to open ~/.xsession-errors?
[08:54] <eagle_y2j> then it proclaims file not found stuff
[08:55] <eagle_y2j> yup
[08:55] <ardchoille> there's the problem
[08:55] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.xsession-errors
[08:56] <eagle_y2j> user to be replaced with my user name ?
[08:56] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: you can run it as I posted it
[08:56] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: also check and see if root owns any other files in your home:  find /home/$USER -user root
[08:57] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: root shouldn't own anything in your home dir
[08:57] <eagle_y2j> sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.xsession-errors results :cannot access
[08:58] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: ls -lha ~/.xsession-errors
[08:58] <ardchoille> who owns that file?
[08:59] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille it says no such file
[09:00] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: ok, you just told me that you got permission denied while trying to open that file, now you're saying it doesn't exist?
[09:01] <exia_> how should I disable NAT through shell?
[09:01] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille i typed  :-   /home/$USER -user root
[09:01] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: find /home/$USER -user root
[09:02] <ardchoille> that finds all files on your home owned by root
[09:04] <eagle_y2j> it results nothing
[09:04] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: does ~/.xsession-errors exist?
[09:05] <eagle_y2j> yes its there
[09:05] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: who owns it?
[09:05] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: open ~/.xsession-errors and see if there is any info about crashes
[09:07] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille does this takes time to open ?
[09:07] <eagle_y2j> as it has accepted command but nothing turns up
[09:08] <ardchoille> what command did you issue?
[09:08] <eagle_y2j> open ~/.xsession-errors
[09:09] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: that won't do anything, my fault for not making these commands easier
[09:09] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: nano ~/.xsession-errors
[09:09] <mike-solidus> hey, i'm on the beta and i want to upgrade to the new stable, how do i do this? i cant use the standerd adept_manager because it no longer exists. I found out adept manager is an option but the --dist-upgrade does not work
[09:09] <ardchoille> nano is a command line editor, you can use f8 to scroll page-by-page and f7 to scroll back up
[09:10] <exia_> !NAT
[09:10] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille it opened up
[09:12] <favro> mike-solidus: iirc just updating will do it
[09:13] <ardchoille> mike-solidus: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:13] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille last line of log looks like an error :--- kwin(5330) couldn't start knotify from knotify4.desktop :"KDEInit could not 1$
[09:13] <ardchoille> favro: Thanks, I had missed his question
[09:13] <favro> np
[09:14] <mike-solidus> ardchoille: hmm that only updated 2 things, which means i guess i got some problems with 8.10, my kwin crashes on startup everytime
[09:15] <ardchoille> mike-solidus: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:15] <ardchoille> mike-solidus: "update" updates your software sources
[09:16] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: I'm not sure how I can help with that
[09:16] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille nyways thankx for u r kind support
[09:17] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: sorry I couldn't help you more, but stick around, I'm sure someone can help
[09:18] <eagle_y2j> yup! still digging google
[09:19] <Machtin> heyho.. where does korganizer store its default-calender? i want to delete every single item..
[09:20] <ardchoille> Machtin: I was just working with that. Try ~/.kde/share/config/kresources/calendar
[09:20] <eagle_y2j> kubuntu crashing after entering login any help ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: I'm pretty sure it's kwin (the kde window manager) that's causing the problem.
[09:22] <Machtin> thanks
[09:22] <eagle_y2j> yup i too think so the kwin loading screen is crashing and hanging my keyboard
[09:22]  * DreadKnight @  anyone knows a good pixel font creator* ?
[09:24] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille it looks somewhat same to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/281950
[09:25] <ardchoille> Machtin: That wasn't it, I found the correct file: ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics
[09:25] <Machtin> ardchoille: so did i.. but you led me to it :) thanks
[09:25] <ardchoille> yw :)
[09:27] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: sounds like it
[09:28] <eagle_y2j> but really i can't figure out is it fixed or still a bug
[09:30] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: it's clearly still a bug
[09:30] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: Give it some time, I'm sure the devs are working on it
[09:35] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille just wasted 700mb for kubuntu
[09:36] <eagle_y2j> seems i hav to switch back to suse
[09:36] <stefan__> !vnc
[09:36] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: Hold on, Hardy is quite stable, I'm sticking with Hardy until 9.04
[09:37] <ardchoille> in fact Hardy impressed me enough to draw me completely away from gnome
[09:37] <eagle_y2j> hmmm.. is there any known issue for  i845 board
[09:38] <ardchoille> I don't know, I've never seen many bugs in Dapper, Gutsy or Hardy
[09:40] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille" hopes so and +ve for my hardy test
[09:50] <shoaib> Hello...
[09:51] <shoaib> cud anyone help me with gyachi
[09:51] <shoaib> i some how disabled viewing offline buddies
[09:51] <shoaib> i.e.. only online buddies are visible...
[09:52] <shoaib> how to change the setting for viewing the offline buddies too
[09:52] <shoaib> Hellllllloooooooooo
[09:54] <JP-sNL3> shoaib: it'll be in your setting probably, but i don't know/use gyachi
[09:57] <woody86> how can I make Konversation start when the computer starts?
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> woody86: heh... good question, but i don't shut konversation down when i shutdown kubuntu and that makes it re-appear when i boot into kubuntu afterwards
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> that probably is not the best way but it works for now
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> hihi
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> ;-)
[10:07] <woody86> JP-sNL3: oh, I didn't know it did that automatically :D Are you putting your system in hibernate, or fully shutting down?
[10:08] <faileas> fully shutting down
[10:08] <faileas> it rememebers
[10:11] <woody86> does anyone know how to get the 5-A-Day applet showing? It's installed, but not listed under my applets??
[10:12] <JP-sNL3> woody86: i shut it down completely since i move back and forth from kubuntu to win98se on a multiboot box here
[10:12] <woody86> JP-sNL3: ah, ok :) good to know
[10:13] <JP-sNL3> woody86: but i am sure there must be a proper way to startup programs when logging in
[10:14]  * JP-sNL3 is quite new at this kubuntu stuff but has been playing around with linux for some time: they are all different! hahaha
[10:15] <Seaboy> please help me get my desktop back, I just have a white screen after logging in
[10:17] <JP-sNL3> Seaboy: this is a wild guess mind, but try [Alt]+[F2] and enter kicker... it works on my knoppix kde...
[10:19] <Seaboy> JP-sNL3: alt+f2 doesn't work, but I can use it in console mode, I'll try it, but what doea this command do?
[10:20] <JP-sNL3> it re-starts the desktop i think
[10:20] <JP-sNL3> ...or redraws
[10:21] <JP-sNL3> aaah, wait a minute... your not into X windows at all are you Seaboy?
[10:21] <JP-sNL3> you just have console mode don't you?
[10:21] <belim> i am having a few issues with display management. I am running on a Dell E6500 laptop and when plugging in a vga monitor or dvi one using the docking station it doest work well at all! the external display is really glitchy and unusable!
[10:21] <jussi01> Seaboy: which version are you on?
[10:23] <Seaboy> jussi01: no, splash screen is ok and after logging in, nothing. 8.10
[10:24] <ardchoille> the command "kicker" won't work on kde4 will it?
[10:25] <jussi01> ardchoille: nope
[10:25] <ardchoille> that's what I thought
[10:25] <jussi01> Seaboy: go to /.kde/share/config/kwinrc and check that compositing is not enabled:
[10:25] <jussi01> [Compositing]
[10:25] <jussi01> Enabled=true
[10:26] <Seaboy> JP-sNL3: no, splash screen is ok and after logging in, nothing.
[10:26] <jussi01> that is enabled ^^
[10:26] <marekt> hi what is the easyest way to share files between two linux computers?
[10:26] <marekt> *easiest
[10:26] <jussi01> marekt: sftp
[10:26] <marekt> is it gui?
[10:27] <faileas> marekt: if they both run KDE, i tend to use fish. else i have a common SMB server for my network.
[10:27] <Seaboy> jussi01: it's not, I,m sure I've disabled it
[10:27] <JP-sNL3> Seaboy: do what jussi01 suggests
[10:27] <jussi01> Seaboy: just check please
[10:28] <jussi01> marekt: just open konqueror and do sftp://ip.address.of.machine
[10:28] <marekt> faileas i tried gfish bbut i get only "could not connect to host"
[10:28] <marekt> jussi01 i opened it and i can see a dialog with error about problem with sh
[10:28] <marekt> something on router?
[10:32] <Seaboy> jussi01, JP-sNL3: this is the whole content of the file : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67842/
[10:35] <andy151> Hi guys. Just thinking about upgrading from 8.04 REMIX to 8.10. Can anyone tell me, does 8.10 use/upgrade the .kde4 directory, or will it upgrade my old kde3 .kde directory? I'd like it to use my .kde4 (even if that involves renaming it etc)
[10:35] <marekt> ok i done it with installind openssh-server
[10:35] <marekt> can you tell me about the speed? it is awful - about 40 kBps, should be much much more
[10:35] <Seaboy> jussi01: any idea?
[10:35] <Seaboy> JP-sNL3: any idea?
[10:36] <jussi01> Seaboy: what did you do to cause this? what were your actions last time it was working?
[10:38] <Seaboy> jussi01: I've installed nvidia-glx-173, but after that I worked with it for hours, and suddenly screen got white, i'm sure I didn't do any thing in that moment,
[10:40] <jussi01> Seaboy: I would try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:40] <jussi01> Seaboy: although that might land you at busybox when booting afterwards
[10:41] <Seaboy> Seaboy: I've tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg phigh, but nothing changed
[10:43] <Seaboy> jussi01: I've tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg phigh, but nothing changed
[10:43] <jussi01> Seaboy: I have one other suggestion, but its a little drastic and means you will lose all of your kde settings, but you can try: mv .kde .kdeold
[10:43]  * JP-sNL3 is clueless at this point... wow... although i notice that the suggestion jussi01 makes does NOT include phigh
[10:46] <Seaboy> jussi01: thanks, I'm gonna try it
[10:52] <studente> hjjjk
[10:53] <belim> does anyone know how to get the intel X4500HD fully functioning ?
[10:53] <belim> i have a standard install of kubuntu 8.10
[10:54] <_virgio_> andrewwwwwwwww
[10:54] <MoLkina> ciaooooo
[10:54] <_virgio_> mylove
[10:54] <MoLkina> ke figata
[10:54] <MoLkina> ma ke cavolo [_
[10:54] <MoLkina> }[__
[10:54] <MoLkina> è??
[10:54] <_virgio_> e cioè????
[10:54] <_virgio_> ah
[10:54] <_virgio_> puppa
[10:54] <belim> using intel_agp as far as i can tell
[10:54] <_virgio_> ciao belim
[10:54] <_virgio_> xD
[10:55] <MoLkina> ki sei?
[10:55] <belim> _virgio_ what?
[10:55] <_virgio_> ciao belim
[10:55] <MoLkina> ??
[10:55] <_virgio_> nothing belim
[10:56] <_virgio_> mofux?
[10:56] <sampo> suomen kielisiä paikalla?
[10:56] <MoLkina> ma ki è sta gente?
[10:56] <belim> the build in compiz stuff doesnt work overly well, and plugging in external LCD displays with vga or dvi through the docking station (its a dell e6500 laptop) the display is really glitchy!
[10:56] <studente_> non lo so
[10:56] <_virgio_> studente?
[10:56] <m4dn4n0> io
[10:56] <favro> !it | _virgio_ MoLkina
[10:56] <_virgio_> ah, ciao roghiiiiiiii
[10:56] <MoLkina> ciao roghi!
[10:56] <mofux> yo?
[10:56] <m4dn4n0> alleluia
[10:57] <_virgio_> ah, srry
[10:57] <_virgio_> *sorry
[10:57] <favro> np
[10:57] <MoLkina> why?
[10:57] <_virgio_> we must speak in english
[10:57] <MoLkina> oi
[10:57] <sampo> okay
[10:57] <_virgio_> hi sampo
[10:57] <sampo> hi
[10:58] <_virgio_> how are you?
[10:58] <maxxer> is there any way to keep icon placement on kde4 in desktop view?
[10:58] <_virgio_> eh?
[10:58] <sampo> I am just loading my first ubuntu program
[10:59] <sampo> okay -kubuntu
[11:07] <lokai> uh what replaced the "scale" effect in KDE 4?
[11:11] <jussi01> Seaboy: so no luck?
[11:12] <Seaboy> jussi01: no
[11:12] <Seaboy> jussi01: this is my xorg.0.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67858/
[11:13] <jussi01> Seaboy: pastebin your xorg.conf please
[11:16] <Seaboy> jussi01: here it is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67859/
[11:17] <jussi01> Seaboy: and you said you were using nvidia binary driver?
[11:18] <Seaboy>  jussi01: yes, but after this problem I tried to remove it in console mode, and I don't know if it is removed or not, because there were some errors
[11:20] <jussi01> yeah, it is because its using the nv driver now. I would say try installing the binary driver again, then running nvidias config util - i think its called nvidia-xconfig
[11:22] <Seaboy> jussi01: you mean I should install nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[11:22] <jussi01> Seaboy: which card do you have?
[11:22] <Seaboy>  jussi01: geforce fx5500
[11:23] <jussi01> Seaboy: and you had legacy on that before? or?
[11:24] <Seaboy> no, I've installed 173
[11:26] <Seaboy> jussi01: no, I've installed 173
[11:28] <jussi01> Seaboy: 1 sec
[11:29] <ardchoille> Kernel update for 8.10
[11:30] <ardchoille> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-662-1
[11:30] <ardchoille> Gotta love akregator :)
[11:31] <jussi01> Seaboy: no, please reinstall the one you had
[11:32] <Seaboy>  jussi01: ok thanks
[11:32] <zeno> is it possible to switch back to ktorrent kde3? when I upgraded to 8.10 it upgraded it to kde4 ver and that crashes a TON
[11:32] <jussi01> Seaboy: then after installing, run nvidia-xconfig
[11:33] <jussi01> zeno: dont think so - although there should be an update to it soon - saw something on the devel list about it
[11:33] <shaka> Is anyone having a few sound problems with ibex?
[11:34] <jussi01> !anyone | shaka
[11:36] <shaka> My startup sound starts then ends abruptly, and also the on-screen sound indicator bar does not work. Anyone with the same issues? Kubuntu ibex on acer aspire 5720ZG
[11:37] <ardchoille> jussi01: what exactly does nvidia-xconfig do? Does it just edit xorg.conf to add the driver?
[11:37] <dwidmann> ardchoille: more or less
[11:37] <ardchoille> thought so
[11:38] <dwidmann> ardchoille: has a number of useful switches for what will be added to it as well
[11:38] <ardchoille> oh, nice
[11:38] <jussi01> shaka: right click the sound icon in your tray, then select master channel to select the correct channel that controls your card.
[11:40] <shaka> jussi01: I did and right now"front" is selected. Should it be anything other than that?
[11:41] <dwidmann> shaka: I would think it might be "master" or "pcm" ... if there are options for such
[11:41] <jussi01> shaka: its dependant on your machine, many use front, some use pcm others master - have a play
[11:41] <shaka> jussi01: Wow thanks. I tried Most and PCM is the right one
[11:41] <ganga> kubuntu always defaults to 800x640 resolution during reboot?
[11:41] <jussi01> shaka: :)
[11:42] <ganga> how come anyone got any idea?
[11:42] <shaka> dwidmann: thanks for your input too. This place rocks
[11:42] <ganga> anyone's desktop acting that way?
[11:42] <maxxer> is there any way to keep icon placement on kde4 in desktop folder view?
[11:43] <amdpox> What's the easiest way to get KDE4.2 (snapshot or dev repository, don't care) running on kubuntu 8.10?
[11:44] <jussi01> amdpox: wait? :D
[11:44] <ardchoille> :)
[11:44] <amdpox> hehe
[11:44] <amdpox> probably won't be stable before jaunty :P
[11:44] <amdpox> also, is there an oxygen theme for qt3?
[11:45] <amdpox> all the kde3 apps look like plastiky ass
[11:46] <dwidmann> Which reminds me, my sound card is a bit weird .... http://www.xnowherex.com/images/kmix.png
[11:50] <jussi01> amdpox: I think there is  - have a look on kdelook
[11:52] <dig> ganga: did you mean even you change the resolution, but it won't persist
[11:53] <ziroday> Hi, I can't find kooka anymore. Where did it go?
[11:54] <ganga> dig: it wont persist
[11:54] <ardchoille> ziroday: I don't think it exists in the repos
[11:54] <ziroday> ardchoille: it did before
[11:54] <jussi01> !info skanlite | ziroday
[11:54] <ganga> dig: when i go to the displayof system settings it changes again, so i have to do this every boot
[11:54] <ardchoille> ziroday:  yes, but the repos change with new releases now and then
[11:54] <ziroday> jussi01: thanks :), didn't realise it got renamed
[11:54] <jussi01> :)
[11:55] <ardchoille> I must have missed that memo
[11:55] <ziroday> jussi01: you might want to update the !scanners factoid
[11:56] <jussi01> !scanners
[11:56] <dig> I am not sure about this. Did you try System->KRandRTray Screen Resize & Rotate
[11:57] <ganga> dig lemme try that, lemme restart
[11:59] <amdpox> whoa, any reason adept doesn't listen to system settings for font sizes?
[11:59] <jussi01> !scanners
[12:09] <exia_> can anyone help me? i have a problem with access from internet, no one can access or just ping my serv... localhost works good, i can even open my web-site through domain name (no-ip.com), but in general its not opened to public... :(
[12:11] <exia_> i have NAT switched on, firewall..hmm, only iptables, configured by the documentation, so web traffic should go but it doenst
[12:11] <blackflag> Hello alll :) how can I start VNC before login as a user. I want to see kdm over vnc and want to login than
[12:11] <blackflag> or is there another solution?
[12:11] <blackflag> can someone help?
[12:15] <lokai> what replaces the 'scale' effect in KDE 4?
[12:25] <woody86> how can I change the name of my network device from eth2 to wlan0?
[12:30] <mefisto__> I can't seem to load comments on any pages from www.guardian.co.uk    can someone try to load a page with comments on firefox or konqueror (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/18/foundthedustbinofhistory )
[12:33] <exia_> hey guys
[12:33] <exia_> do i really need to have the same information from "route" in /etc/networks ?
[12:36] <lokai> ok...does anyone know how to get the scale effect workign on kwin outof the box kde 4?
[12:36] <exia_> sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping...
[12:37] <lokai> ok...does anyone know how to get the scale effect workign on kwin outof the box kde 4?
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> lokai: move your mouse to the top left corner
[12:40] <aapzak> lokai: ctrl-F10 does the same
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> the effect is called "Present Windows" in KWin
[12:41] <dig> mefisto__: it works for me
[12:41] <aapzak> all windows, including the ones on other desktops
[12:42] <mefisto__> dig: did you try firefox or konqueror?
[12:43] <aapzak> I need some help with konsole. I dislike the appearance. Monospace 8 does not do the same for me as monospace 8 on gnome-terminal
[12:43] <aapzak> it seems konsole takes more vertical spacing
[12:43] <dig> mefisto__: FF
[12:44] <lokai> aapzak: it doesn't work, either one.
[12:44] <lokai> neither do my shortcut kets from 8.04/kde3
[12:44] <aapzak> lokai: in that case you might not have desktop effects
[12:44] <lokai> kwin is installed...
[12:44] <aapzak> that functionality is part of the eyecandy I think
[12:45] <lokai> aapzak: could you elaborate?
[12:45] <aapzak> lokai: I stepped in after you asked your question, what is it exactly?
[12:45] <lokai> ok...does anyone know how to get the scale effect workign on kwin outof the box kde 4?
[12:46] <aapzak> you should check your system settings: desktop -> desktop effects, tab all effects
[12:47] <lokai> where is scale?
[12:47] <lokai> it is not on the list.
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> the effect is called "Present Windows" in KWin, as I said before
[12:47] <aapzak> thatone I see inthere
[12:47] <lokai> sorry JontheEchidna, must have missed that.
[12:47] <lokai> lets try.
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[12:48] <amdpox> is it normal for kwin4 with compositing to be lots, lots slower than compiz?
[12:48] <aapzak> click on the wrench, see if you have any keys or locations set
[12:48] <aapzak> amdpox: is always has been
[12:48] <amdpox> ok then
[12:48] <aapzak> amdpox: actually it has gotten much much better recently , but not as fast as compiz yet
[12:48] <lokai> ok, it doesn't work though -- they hotkeys/hotcorners do nothing
[12:48] <amdpox> no shiny-but-integrated-with-kde4 effects for me then :(
[12:48] <lokai> yes, everything is enabled.
[12:49] <aapzak> lokai: you have shortcuts? and they don't work?
[12:49] <lokai> that is correct, aapzak
[12:49] <aapzak> weird :)
[12:50] <lokai> POS kde4.
[12:51] <aapzak> lokai: maybe you don't have accelerated desktop, is your videocard supported?
[12:51] <aapzak> can you run glxgears at a reasonable rate?
[12:51] <lokai> yes.
[12:51] <cuznt> !glxgears
[12:51] <lokai> i had compiz working fine, as well.
[12:51] <aapzak> in that case ... I cannot help you
[12:52] <aapzak> I'm sorry but I'm by no means a (k)ubuntu expert
[12:52] <aapzak> which brings me back to my own question, anyone here with some konsole experience, especially tweaking the app itself?
[12:55] <aapzak> please, anyone? I can't believe I'm using gnome-terminal in kde  :)
[13:05] <scribbles> I just did 22 updates through adept and now my Kubuntu is Ubuntu!
[13:08]  * exia_ is away: Gone away for now
[13:10] <scribbles> anyone else having the new updates problem?
[13:15] <kalorin> [08:06] <scribbles> I just did 22 updates through adept and now my Kubuntu is Ubuntu!
[13:15] <kalorin> was it 8.10 or something else?
[13:26] <Koordin> hi, i have here a very confusing problem : i've upgraded to 8.10 and now the display on my desktop is totally buggy : there are some black lines that appears every second everywhere on the screen ; my drivers are up-to-date (nvidia-glx-177) and i've already try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop or xserver-xorg ; could someone help me please ?
[13:31] <lokai> KDE 4 is such a POS.  Its unusuable after I upgraded from KDE3.
[13:31] <jussi01> !ohmy | lokai
[13:31] <kalorin> I actually like 4 better
[13:31] <lokai> ohmy
[13:31] <kalorin> but I've been using it a while side by side with 3
[13:31] <lokai> ohmy
[13:32] <kalorin> what video chipset do you have?
[13:32] <lokai> intel integrated stuff
[13:32] <scribbles> is there a guide posted on creating users and giving them login access via ssh?
[13:32] <lokai> scribbles: just used addusr
[13:32] <lokai> adduser *
[13:32] <lokai> !adduser
[13:33] <scribbles> this will allow them to login remotely via PuTTy?
[13:33] <lokai> yes
[13:33] <lokai> I HATE KDE4
[13:33] <kalorin> what specifically do you hate about it?
[13:33] <lokai> none of the effects work (they ARE enabled), not of my previous hotkeys work
[13:33] <lokai> and there is no minimize/maximize button
[13:33] <lokai> HAR HAR
[13:33] <kalorin> the only real complaint that I've got is that some of the stuff that you put in the panels doesn't size well when the panel is put on the side of the screen rather than on top and bottom
[13:34] <lokai> its a broken system for me.
[13:34] <lokai> no idea why
[13:34] <kalorin> but that's almost more a complaint about this stupid 16:9 aspect that everything is going to
[13:34] <lokai> NO IDEA
[13:34] <scribbles> whats the default port for putty/ssh?
[13:34] <jussi01> lokai: whichh version are you using?
[13:34] <jussi01> scribbles: 22
[13:34] <lokai> jussi01: the latest
[13:34] <stdin> schmidtm: ssh uses port 22, make sure your server has the "ssh" package installed
[13:34] <kalorin> so 8.10?
[13:34] <kalorin> did you do a clean install or an upgrade?
[13:34] <lokai> upgrade
[13:34] <lokai> and yes, 8.10
[13:35] <kalorin> cause kde4 isn't going to be compatible with the old kde3 settings in a lot of cases I'm thinking
[13:35] <kalorin> so you're going to need to go set things up
[13:35] <lokai> apparently not. but it shouldn't let you 'upgrade' if it needs a 'clean install'
[13:35] <kalorin> the widgets on the desktop and stuff are all new and really different form the kde3 versions
[13:35] <lokai> 'upgrade' ~= 'clean install'
[13:35] <lokai> idiots.
[13:35] <kalorin> well
[13:35] <lokai> (not you all)
[13:35] <kalorin> you've upgraded teh OS in all fairness
[13:35] <kalorin> and kde4 is installed, it likely used what settings were similar and it could figure out
[13:36] <kalorin> but it's not going to magically transform your previous settings from kde3 apps into kde4 apps settings and make it 100% the same
[13:36] <kalorin> that be an awful lot to ask
[13:36] <lokai> don't expect it to. I expect it to be usuable, though.
[13:36] <kalorin> ati video card?
[13:36] <bazhang> lokai, it is usable.
[13:36] <lokai> no, integreated intel
[13:36] <kalorin> do you ahve the HUGE font thing going on?
[13:36] <bazhang> lokai, this is a support channel; do you have an actual support question
[13:37] <lokai> no, I had tiny font at the beginning. THAT was one thing I could change
[13:37] <kalorin> where you can't get the windows text to a font size that's under like 1/4 of the screen?
[13:37] <lokai> bazhang: I've asked already, no one can help. Can you? haha.
[13:37] <kalorin> oh I had the HUGe font thing going when I did my laptop to 8.04
[13:38] <bazhang> lokai, I see no questions.
[13:38] <lokai> fine. here goes
[13:38] <kalorin> I keep thinking about doing this machine with kde4 version but it's a work machine and I really want to wait another week or two to let some more patches come out
[13:38] <kalorin> though my 8.04 remix install on the laptop at home is super solid
[13:38] <scribbles> I did apt-get autoremove proftpd and reloaded KUser but there's still a proftpd user in the menu, is it safe to remove it?
[13:39] <ralpho> hide panel change width not length cashew sliders dont do that. how to.
[13:39] <lokai> Why can I not configure keybindings? (They are there, but don't work) Why do no desktop effects work? (They are enabled) Why can I not see a minimize/maximize/close toolbar on my GUI apps?
[13:39] <lokai> there goes my question
[13:39] <stdin> scribbles: it's probably safe, but there's no real need to remove it. it does no harm
[13:39] <lokai> ;)
[13:39] <jussi01> !netsplit
[13:40] <ralpho> ah man
[13:40] <scribbles> thanks stdin
[13:40] <lokai> whee yet again
[13:40] <lokai> Why can I not configure keybindings? (They are there, but don't work) Why do no desktop effects work? (They are enabled) Why can I not see a minimize/maximize/close toolbar on my GUI apps?
[13:41] <kalorin> perhaps you've got a theme selected that's no longer part of the distribution?
[13:41] <Koordin> hi, i have here a very confusing problem : i've upgraded to 8.10 and now the display on my desktop is totally buggy : there are some black lines that appears every second everywhere on the screen ; my drivers are up-to-date (nvidia-glx-177) and i've already try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop or xserver-xorg ; could someone help me please ?
[13:41] <kalorin> btw, has anyone had any issues with 64bit 8.10?
[13:41] <bazhang> lokai, you have compiz running?
[13:41] <ralpho> panel can you change width not length and hide it or not
[13:41] <lokai> bazhang: No. I tried to do that, it didn't seem to work either. Right now, compiz is not on my machine.
[13:42] <scribbles> when adding a user in KUser what is the Account Disabled default checked for?
[13:42] <bazhang> lokai, you are referring to native kde4 desktop effects then?
[13:42] <ralpho> good thing there is still gnome in the mean time
[13:44] <lokai> bazhang: yes, the native kwin effects.
[13:44] <lokai> but its totally broken anyways, even without the effects
[13:44] <bazhang> lokai, perhaps your machine is older and not up to the requirements.
[13:45] <lokai> bullsh
[13:45] <scribbles> how do I ensure that the new user I'm creating in KUser does not have access to sudo, by default it seems as if they're on the same level as I am
[13:45] <lokai> I was runnign kde3/8.04 fine
[13:45] <lokai> with all the glx effects.
[13:45] <bazhang> lokai, try lxde
[13:45] <lokai> bazhang: do you know what you're talking about?
[13:45] <zbenjamin> hi guys
[13:45] <bazhang> lokai, lxde is much easier on ram, and cpu cycles
[13:46] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install lxde
[13:46] <zbenjamin> i just updated to the newest kubuntu release, but after the last update i cannot login anymore i always taken back to the login screen
[13:46] <lokai> bazhang: Nice 'support', thanks bud.
[13:46] <lokai> You should recommend I install windows, its easier.
[13:47] <jussi01> zbenjamin: from the kubuntu release notes: Can not login after upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix. After an upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix, logging in will return directory to the login screen again. The x-session-manager alternative link is not correctly updated. Select "KDE" from the Session Menu before logging in and fix it with update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde. (Bug 287488).
[13:47] <bazhang> lokai, what system specs
[13:48] <jussi01> lokai: you can try resetting your settings by renaming the ~/.kde  folder.
[13:48] <lokai> jussi01: I'll try that.
[13:49] <scribbles> how do I ensure that the new user I created cannot access sudo?
[13:49] <jussi01> lokai: best do that while you are logged out - from a tty. after that login again
[13:49] <lokai> all right I can ssh in from another machine. What are the problems if I mv while in this session?
[13:50] <lokai> scribbles: don't tell them the password.
[13:50] <Pici> scribbles: Do not put them in the admin group.
[13:50] <jussi01> lokai: as its the "curret working dir" for settings, it can sometimes not mv cleanly/ have things written to it from the old settings
[13:50] <lokai> kk, be back
[13:51] <zbenjamin> btw where does kdm store the last used windowmanager?
[13:52] <zbenjamin> i realized if i change the wm when logged in it will load the last used one
[13:54] <zbenjamin> so i used kwin in my last xfce session and now it always crashes when i try to login :(
[13:54] <lokai> jussi01: Thanks for the suggestion, it seems to have fixed all the problems. I wish they would warn users that they can't migrate their kde3 settings to kde4.
[13:55] <jussi01> lokai: there is some stuff in the release notes, sometimes it does funky things. it happens with a new major release.
[14:02] <bibstha> sunwukong: hello
[14:09] <lokai> hm I closed the 'panel' that is at the bottom of the screen by default. I've added one, but it added to the top of the screen. How do I move it down to the bottom?
[14:10] <kalorin> click the little crescent thing
[14:10] <kalorin> when that opens the "settings" menu thingy you can then drag it to the side of the screen you want it on
[14:10] <kalorin> its' not very intuitive and I didn't realize how to do that for a while
[14:11] <lokai> got it, thanks
[14:11] <lokai> my keybindings still don't work
[14:11] <mrhjkim> Hi.
[14:11] <kalorin> can't help there, sorry, I don't use keybindings
[14:12] <mrhjkim> I got some problem in sound driver and internal mic is not working and I searched internet and succeded in making it work.
[14:12]  * bluecopper greets everyone with humility
[14:13] <mrhjkim> but after rebooting, it also have the same problem.
[14:13] <xomp> can someone tell me how to remove KDE from a system? My mom is rather fond of Gnome and I put KDE on a while back and she wants it off to gain the disk space back.
[14:13] <lokai> hm, whats the kwin effect for (make this window transparent with I drag it)
[14:15] <lokai> xomp: couldn't you just use your package manager to get rid of it?
[14:15] <xomp> lokai, not sure, I used "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" but it pushed down like 700+Mb of other files with it. If I "apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" it only removes like 50MB of the total 700+MB it downloaded :(
[14:16] <lokai> apt get remove kde
[14:16] <mrhjkim> I can make sound card work by this command "modprobe snd-hda-intel model=lg"
[14:16] <lokai> kubuntu-desktop package is ubuntu+KDE, I suspect.
[14:16] <bluecopper> i have a problem with kopete
[14:16] <mrhjkim> but how I configure to make it work after reboot
[14:17] <bazhang> !puregnome
[14:17] <bluecopper> everytime i try to use kopete the system slows up and the completely freezes
[14:18] <bluecopper> everytime i try to use kopete the system slows up and then completely freezes
[14:18] <kalorin> looks like it might make you repeat your typing too....
[14:18] <kalorin> ;)
[14:18] <kalorin> bluecopper, remove it's configuration if you can
[14:19] <kalorin> it'll be in the .kde directory in your homedirectory
[14:19] <kalorin> just do cd .kde
[14:19] <kalorin> find . -name "*kopete*"
[14:19] <bluecopper> well wud a config file be create if the no accounts have been created yet
[14:19] <kalorin> and move it to whatever it's name .bak
[14:19] <kalorin> and restart it
[14:19] <kalorin> yeah
[14:20] <kalorin> it's still going to store location on the desktop to open and size of the window and styles and all that jaz
[14:20] <kalorin> jazz
[14:20] <bluecopper> o i c
[14:20] <bluecopper> will try that and let u know
[14:20] <kalorin> sure
[14:21] <lokai> anyone get a keybinding for konsole to work under kde4?
[14:24] <scribbles> I created a user and I want them to be able to ssh via putty into my box, is ssh installed/enabled by default in kubuntu?
[14:24] <scribbles> if not, which package do I get?
[14:24] <Pici> scribbles: install the ssh package for the server and client.
[14:25] <sysstemlord> hey guys, does anybody have a problem with firefox not seeing flash player 10?
[14:25] <sysstemlord> and the problem is not from the location of the plugin
[14:25] <lokai> ~ssh
[14:25] <lokai> !ssh
[14:26] <Slylias> How can I disable my wireless card? I want to disable the internal wireless card on this laptop and use the USB one instead.
[14:26] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: you mean flash 10 is not installed in firefox? it doesn't appear in about:plugins ??
[14:26] <Seaboy> jussi01: hi, remember me?
[14:26] <sysstemlord> it doesn't
[14:27] <sysstemlord> i installed it from adept, and from the debian package
[14:27] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: and there is no other flash plugin listed?
[14:28] <sysstemlord> i even tried one thing, installed flash 9, and just replaced the file with that of flash ten, it disappeared from about:plugins
[14:28] <sysstemlord> no other
[14:28] <lokai> anyone have an idea why my keybinding for konsole isn't working?
[14:29] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: does /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so exist?
[14:29] <Slylias> How can I disable my wireless card? I want to disable the internal wireless card on this laptop and use the USB one instead.
[14:29] <sysstemlord> now it does because i have flash 9
[14:30] <sysstemlord> should i remove 9 and try?
[14:30] <kalorin> so does anyone have any experience with the 64bit Kubuntu 8.10 yet?
[14:30] <kalorin> any real gotcha's that make it less usable than the 32bit one?
[14:30] <kalorin> also, running core 2 duo chips, you're 64bit compatible right?
[14:31] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: but is flash 9 working in firefox?
[14:31] <sysstemlord> yes
[14:31] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: I installed flash 10 by just replacing libflashplayer.so v9 with the 10 version
[14:32] <sysstemlord> i tried that
[14:33] <sysstemlord> before replacing the file, it works in firefox
[14:33] <sysstemlord> but after replacing the file
[14:33] <sysstemlord> it disappears
[14:34] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: after replacing libflashplayer.so, did you restart firefox?
[14:34] <sysstemlord> yes of course, but only didn't restart the whole computer
[14:35] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: do you have /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so ?? On mine, that is a link to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[14:37] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: also, /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin is linked to  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[14:37] <sysstemlord> i have it linking to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[14:38] <sysstemlord> which links to your file
[14:38] <mefisto__> mozilla-flashplugin also links to  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so here
[14:39] <sysstemlord> yeah, that's the case, and now when i tried opening konqueror, it has flash 9 loaded
[14:39] <sysstemlord> but the file has been replaced
[14:39] <sysstemlord> but anyway, it doesn't seem to work in konqueror either
[14:40] <sysstemlord> but in konquror i don't get a message from youtube that flash is not installed, it just doesn't load the video
[14:40] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: you can specify where konqueror looks for plugins and in what order. in settings, configure konqueror, plugins
[14:42] <sysstemlord> does flash 10 require any other updates to the system?
[14:42] <sysstemlord> because the problem seems to be not only in firefox
[14:42] <xomp> thanks bazhang
[14:43] <aaroncampbell> Every time I need to reboot my newly upgraded 8.10 system, I have to run "compiz --replace &" ...in 8.04 I had a symbolic link in ~/.kde/Autostart/  to  /usr/bin/compiz
[14:44] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: you can untangle this web of symlinks and get it working, but if you have libflashplayer.so (or a symlink) in ~/.mozilla/plugins I think what's in there takes precedence over everything else. but that's only a per-user solution
[14:44] <aaroncampbell> That doesn't seem to work anymore...specifically, it seems to start and then die? (Wobbly Windows and my Rotating Cube seem to work at first, then stop as things are still loading)
[14:45] <sysstemlord> i'm gonna copy the file directly to firefox
[14:49] <kalorin> I can't even download the install cd for 8.10 right now
[14:50] <kalorin> I click the download button on the download page after picking a mirror and it just sits there
[14:50] <sysstemlord> no help
[14:51] <vcxcv> hi. how can I check the details of an ext3 partition, such as indoe size etc?
[14:51] <vcxcv> inode size*
[14:53] <genii> vcxcv: sudo tune2fs -l /dev/<partition-name>
[14:53] <genii> kalorin: Have you tried to wget it yet?
[14:53] <vcxcv> ty
[14:54] <genii> vcxcv: np
[14:54] <sysstemlord> i removed all link flash related and installed from the deb package, but this of course didn't change anything
[14:54] <sysstemlord> the problem seems to be from the plugin itself
[14:55] <lokai> keybindings are a mess in kde4.
[14:57] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: I have 2 computers running ubuntu with flash 10 running if firefox, seamonkey and konqueror without problems
[14:58] <sysstemlord> would it be a difference if it's kubuntu?
[14:58] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: no. I have kubuntu and xfce and flash 10 runs on either
[14:59] <sysstemlord> but if it can work, then it should really work if i replace the flash player 9 file with that of flash 10
[14:59] <sysstemlord> because it must be found
[15:00] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: was firefox installed from repos?
[15:01] <sysstemlord> i believe so, but it's in a strange folder called firefox-3.0.1, and when i install flash, it created a new folder called only firefox, but the same happens with flash 9 and it still works
[15:02] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: is this folder in your home dir?
[15:02] <sysstemlord> in /usr/lib
[15:04] <jussi01> Seaboy: yes, i remember you :)
[15:05] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: I have firefox and firefox-3.0.3 and firefox-addons
[15:06] <sysstemlord> i have this firefox-addons too, and inside it a link to the plugin folder inside mozilla
[15:06] <noobstyle> Hi :) Do i need AntiVirus, AntiSpyware, AntiSpam, Firewall on Kubuntu?
[15:06] <LjL> !virus
[15:06] <LjL> !firewall
[15:07] <noobstyle> !spyware
[15:07] <noobstyle> !spam
[15:07] <LjL> !msg the bot
[15:07] <scribbles> I'm following this here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto I created the SSH keys and have a public/private key now, is the public key only available to me as a user, do I login as each user and create a keypair for that user as well in their home directory following these instructions?
[15:07] <noobstyle> so no need to install anything :D?
[15:07] <genii> noobstyle: No antivirus is really needed unless you are scanning files you will later be using in Windows or so. Firewall is a good idea if you do the ISP login on your computer and not from a router.
[15:07] <LjL> noobstyle: not really
[15:08] <noobstyle> isp login?
[15:08] <noobstyle> i have a router - Dlink 120
[15:08] <noobstyle> Dir-120 it's called i think..
[15:08] <LjL> noobstyle: most DSL/cable routers act as NAT firewalls
[15:08] <genii> noobstyle: Then your computer does not have an external IP on the internet, just the router does
[15:08] <noobstyle> nice :)
[15:08] <noobstyle> So no need for firewall?
[15:08] <sysstemlord> i'm installing now a package called flashplayer-mozilla, inside flash 9
[15:08] <sysstemlord> i'll see what happens
[15:09] <genii> noobstyle: Not usually but you can still put one on if it makes you feel better :)
[15:09] <gbrandstoetter> i am tryin to establish a vpn connection, but i receive that error: "ISAKMP from unexpected address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" what does it mean?
[15:09] <noobstyle> genii: which one should i install? should i do it from Adept?
[15:10] <LjL> !software | noobstyle
[15:10] <noobstyle> its Kubuntu
[15:10] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: do you have /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so ?? that's a link to /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin here (which links to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so )
[15:10] <LjL> noobstyle: you can use any method to install software on your computer, as long as it relies on APT, Ubuntu's software management backend
[15:10] <LjL> noobstyle: that includes Adept, apt-get and aptitude, among others
[15:10] <genii> noobstyle: The usual ones are Firestarter and Guarddog
[15:10] <noobstyle> Which one then :D?
[15:11] <lokai> sudo apt-get install <program>
[15:11] <LjL> !firewall | noobstyle, this talks about both gnome and kde, pick your choice
[15:11] <genii> noobstyle: For Kubuntu Adept is the default package manager
[15:11] <LjL> noobstyle: although personally, i'd say don't bother.
[15:11] <noobstyle> Yes. But i'm not sure what Gnome and Guarddog is
[15:11] <noobstyle> I use homebanking etc.. i want to be safe
[15:11] <lokai> Gnome is a desktop environment
[15:11] <noobstyle> yeS?
[15:11] <sysstemlord> yes that's what i have
[15:11] <lokai> KDE is another desktop environment
[15:12] <LjL> noobstyle: GNOME is the desktop environment used on Ubuntu, KDE is the one used on Kubuntu.
[15:12] <noobstyle> so i should take KDE?
[15:12] <LjL> noobstyle: i'd do that.
[15:12] <noobstyle> guarddog it is then
[15:12] <LjL> noobstyle: keep in mind that just blindly putting random security-related stuff on your computer doesn't automagically make you safe from attacks
[15:12] <noobstyle> Do i have to change anything to make my kubuntu kde ?
[15:12] <lokai> if you installed kubuntu, you are running KDE by default.
[15:12] <noobstyle> ok LjL.. :) should i make any changes before i install guarddog then?
[15:13] <LjL> if your router is doing NAT firewalling, then there's most likely not any reason to drop packets on your computer itself
[15:13] <noobstyle> installing Guarddog now :)
[15:13] <LjL> noobstyle, as i said, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE
[15:13] <LjL> !flavors
[15:13] <lokai> if you didn't have KDE (or another desktop environment), then you would not have any graphical output
[15:13] <noobstyle> ok.
[15:13] <noobstyle> it is installed now.
[15:13] <noobstyle> !styling
[15:13] <noobstyle> !style
[15:13] <LjL> !fishing
[15:14] <noobstyle> !vpn
[15:14] <genii> noobstyle: Just make sure you are choosing KDE as default session when logging in :)
[15:14] <lokai> lol I HATE kde 4
[15:14] <noobstyle> logging in? i disabled password on login
[15:14] <LjL> lokai: do you have a question for us?
[15:14] <noobstyle> i dont understand.. choosing kde ?
[15:14] <lokai> Sure LjL: why doesn't my keybinding for firefox work?
[15:15] <LjL> lokai: i don't know, what keybinding would that be for a start?
[15:15] <lokai> alt f
[15:15] <LjL> noobstyle, if you're running Kubuntu (and not Ubuntu, and never installed ubuntu-desktop), then you're using KDE.
[15:15] <lokai> there is quite a mess with how kde4 handles keybindings, in general.
[15:16] <noobstyle> Ok LjL. It have this VPN service called Relakks. It is PPTP VPN. Do you know how to set it up?
[15:16] <lokai> kglobalshortcutrc keeps getting appended, seemingly every time I access the gui keyboard shortcuts in systemsettings.
[15:18] <lokai> noobstyle: you can see what you are running by typing in "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION" in the konsole.
[15:18] <noobstyle> lokai it just says -SESSION
[15:19] <noobstyle> now it says default :D
[15:20] <lokai> export | grep DESKTOP_SESSION
[15:21] <lokai> shrug
[15:22] <lokai> !fishing
[15:23] <LjL> lokai: i can't use input actions on my Hardy, either.
[15:23] <lokai> Yep.
[15:23] <lokai> Hence my original comment
[15:23] <lokai> there are other problems
[15:23] <lokai> but this is pretty major
[15:24] <lokai> for me, anyways.
[15:24] <LjL> well you should file a bug, this is clearly not correct behavior
[15:24] <bazhang> !bugs
[15:24] <lokai> I find it very difficult to understand how something so fundamental could be overlooked
[15:25] <lokai> do a google search--other people have the same complaint
[15:25] <lokai> so, its not isolated
[15:25] <lokai> which makes me quite frustrated with that fact that it was released.
[15:25] <lokai> (and I upgraded)
[15:26] <lokai> I've had to trash my ~/.kde twice now because of a corrupted kglobalshortcutsrc
[15:26] <genii> !enter
[15:27] <lokai> thanks.
[15:28] <genii> noobstyle: If you have more than one desktop environment installed (like both KDE and Gnome for instance) then your login screen will let you decide at that time which one you want to use when you login
[15:29] <lokai> anyone figured out how to add custom functionality to the middle mouse button?
[15:30] <lokai> of course not.
[15:31] <genii> lokai: 60 seconds is not quite enough time for someone to look that up ;)
[15:31] <jussi01> lokai: yes, on a logitech mouse I can.
[15:32] <lokai> How did you do it? Going through systemsettings->advanced->input actions does not work for me
[15:33] <lokai> oh another quick question: Does the default "HELLO" (CRTL+ALT+H) work for anyone on a fresh install?
[15:33] <jussi01> lokai: on a logitech mouse youcan use a program called btnx - not in the repos, but there was a package floating round somewhere
[15:33] <lokai> jussi01: k thanks for the tip. I'm thinking of going back to compiz anyways, which does allow that functionality that I want
[15:34] <lokai> I fear that going back to compiz will mean going back to kde3, also.
[15:37] <lokai> jussi01: You using 8.10 with btnx? The developer says that 8.10 breaks it...http://www.ollisalonen.com/btnx/
[15:38] <jussi01> lokai: hadnt looked at it yet, but thats sad. :(
[15:39] <lokai> oh another quick question: Does the default "HELLO" (CRTL+ALT+H) work for anyone on a fresh install?
[15:40] <aaroncampbell> My printer (Brother MFC 9440cn) has stopped working since my upgrade to 8.10.  I don't even see where to set it up.  Where are the printers managed?
[15:41] <KDesk> aaroncampbell /usr/bin/system-config-printer-kde
[15:42] <KDesk> aaroncampbell it is also in the Kmenu
[15:42] <genii> lokai: I think ctrl-alt-h is supposed to hibernate
[15:42] <Seaboy> it is going to be 2days that I don't have my desktop, and nobody can help
[15:43] <lokai> genii: not according to the keyboard shortcuts entry. In any case nothing happens when I press it.
[15:43] <KDesk> How can I know from which package depends one package
[15:43] <lokai> genii: I am just wondering if anything happens for anyone.
[15:43] <KDesk> Seaboy: whats you problem?
[15:43] <ocs>  hi. suppose that I have myscript.sh.   How can i retrieve, inside the script itself, the directory where the script is located ?
[15:43] <KDesk> ocs: I think inside the script:  . otherscipr.sh
[15:44] <Seaboy> KDesk: when I login. I just have the mouse pointer and a white screen, and nothing else
[15:45] <aaroncampbell> KDesk: I can't find it in the KMenu
[15:45] <lokai> genii: cat ~/.kde/share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc | grep "Type 'Hello'"
[15:45] <KDesk> Seaboy: You have intrepid? is it a new install or an upgrade?
[15:45] <aaroncampbell> KDesk: but I have it running...now I need to find what happened :|
[15:45] <genii> lokai: Doesn't seem to do anything on my box here
[15:45] <lokai> kde3 or 4?
[15:46] <genii> lokai: Right now I'm on 3
[15:46] <lokai> ah hahahah!
[15:46] <Seaboy> KDesk: yes, new install, and I used it for some days, then it suddenly happened while I was copying a disc
[15:46] <lokai> dont upgrade to 4
[15:46] <lokai> it fails, utterly.
[15:46] <aaroncampbell> It says: Stopped - Filter "/usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9440cn/cupswrapper/brldwrapper_mfc9440cn" for printer "MFC9440CN" not available: Permission Denied
[15:47] <lokai> genii: all the problems that I have been complaining about are kde4 problems.
[15:47] <genii> lokai: I'm usually reluctant to make major changes until the big bugs are worked out of the system :)
[15:47] <lokai> genii: and as you might suspect, I'm quite upset that I upgraded.
[15:47] <lokai> genii: same. I didn't wait long enough.
[15:47] <KDesk> Seaboy: maybe it was an package update, maybe kernel, kdm... Which graphics card do you have? What do you have in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[15:48] <genii> lokai: I believe you can still run kde3 if you want
[15:48] <lokai> genii: how would you go about going that?
[15:48] <lokai> *doing
[15:49] <KDesk> genii: but only in hardy.
[15:49] <lokai> Seaboy: Have you tried to reconfigure xorg?
[15:49] <lokai> that means I'm out of luck. I've upgraded to 8.10
[15:49] <lokai> and KDE4 comes by default
[15:49] <genii> lokai: Prevoiusly the kde3 was package kubuntu-desktop and the kde4 was kubuntu-kde4-desktop but I think now kde4 is the "kubuntu-desktop" package
[15:50] <lokai> I'm very, very, very disappointed that they released this to the general public before it was ready
[15:50] <faileas> there's a workaround to run kde3 on intrepid
[15:50] <Pici> !intrepidkde3
[15:50] <Seaboy> KDesk: no, I was't upgrading, but that day I installed nvidia-glx-173 and it was working without a problem for hours. my graphic card is geforce FX5500, I'll pastebin xorg.conf content in a minute
[15:50] <Seaboy> KDesk: yes, i tried
[15:50] <genii> faileas: If you have a link I'm sure lokai would like it :)
[15:50] <lokai> yes, faileas
[15:51] <faileas> gimme a moment. need to go look it up again
[15:51] <lokai> thanks
[15:51] <KDesk> Seaboy: hmm, I think it is nvidia driver fault.
[15:52] <faileas> lokai: http://tennessee.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=03dd6e75a3859a1426a4ec8a10d30c0e&t=960742&highlight=kde+3.5+downgrade
[15:52] <Seaboy> Seaboy: this is it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67957/
[15:52] <faileas> YMMV, i've never tried this personally
[15:52] <Seaboy> KDesk: Seaboy: this is it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67957/
[15:53] <lokai> thanks so much faileas
[15:54] <KDesk> Seaboy: I think the xorg.conf is OK. Which nvidia driver version do you have?
[15:54] <KDesk> Seaboy: have you tried to start x with the free 2d nv driver?
[15:55] <Seaboy> KDesk: I've installed 173, but after this problem I tried to remove it. however I think it didn't remove
[15:56] <KDesk> Seaboy: I am reading this, it seems that support from your card is removed from 173. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945899
[15:57] <Seaboy> KDesk: so what should I do? will removing it solve the problem? I've tried many sollutions but none of them worked
[15:57] <KDesk> Seaboy: have you tried to remove, and install it with the envy utility?
[15:58] <lokai> !downgrade
[15:58] <KDesk> Seaboy: First I think you have to remove that driver.
[15:59] <Seaboy> I tried in console mode, but I get some errors when I try to install or remove something
[15:59] <scdeville> hello
[15:59] <Seaboy> KDesk: I tried in console mode, but I get some errors when I try to install or remove something
[15:59] <scdeville> I have a problem with kmix
[15:59] <KDesk> Seaboy: which errors?
[15:59] <scdeville> it only shows the red X and doesnt control volume
[16:00] <KDesk> scdeville: does it work with alsamixer ?
[16:00] <nadhemos> bonjour
[16:00] <scdeville> I don't have it
[16:00] <nadhemos> svp y'as qq qui parle en francais ?
[16:00] <scdeville> kde comes just with kmix
[16:00] <lokai> faileas: something is broken about it...
[16:00] <Sokal-EC> one question how do i zip a file?
[16:00] <scdeville> the sound control of amarock works fine
[16:00] <Seaboy> KDesk: a bunch of errors, and at the end this : end_request: I/0 error, dev sda, sector 1244578 bus error
[16:00] <Sokal-EC> using ark or can i only unzip
[16:01] <nadhemos> alloo ther's someone spoke french ?
[16:01] <faileas> lokai: never tried it out myself, as i said...
[16:01] <lokai> you still on kde3?
[16:01] <sparr> is there a third-party solution for connecting to VPNs in kubuntu until kde supports them again?
[16:01] <faileas> no
[16:02] <genii> !fr | nadhemos
[16:02] <faileas> well this box is on KDE4. got another one on hardy and another one on the enlightenment based ubuntu varient
[16:02] <nadhemos> thankyou!
[16:02] <KDesk> Seaboy: I think it is bad, maybe there was a corruption an something in you partition is broken. Maybe the fasters way it to backup important data and to do a fresh install again (~30min)
[16:03] <sparr> It would be awesome if there was a list of lost functionality to refer to before upgrading.  I never would have installed intrepid if I had known how much stuff was missing.
[16:03] <KDesk> scdeville: so you dont have alsamixer? install alsa-utils
[16:04] <Seaboy> KDesk: I think I should reinstall kubuntu, but is there anyway to use tha packages I've downloaded?
[16:04] <scdeville> ok i'll try it thank you
[16:04] <KDesk> sparr: kde4 has not so many apps as kde3, but you can also install kde3 apps
[16:04] <KDesk> Seaboy: yes, they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[16:05] <sparr> KDesk: im referring to kde4 replacements for kde3 apps.  i cant (?) install kde3's network manager, or use kde3's panel, etc
[16:06] <KDesk> Seaboy: I think you should tray first (in the reinstalled system) to install the nvidia drivers with http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html envyNG
[16:06] <Seaboy> KDesk: and something else, do you know the default path of temp in nero? I just have an image of kubuntu and don't know where it is, sorry for asking so many questions
[16:07] <KDesk> sparr: the networkmanager you can, I use it. But the panel not. But there are many insteresting plasmoids in kde-look.org you can use.
[16:07] <Sokal-EC> if in the terminal how do i cd to a file?
[16:08] <KDesk> Seaboy: no problem. I dont know, but I think maybe in .nero/
[16:08] <sparr> KDesk: is the kde downloader thing broken?  i only see two or three widgets available when i try to download new ones
[16:08] <Seaboy> KDesk: I said nero? I mean k3b
[16:09] <KDesk> sparr: yes i think, somethimes I also see two or tree. Better search in kde-look.org, there is also a repo from a PPA with some plasmoids debs for intrepid. https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive
[16:09] <Sokal-EC> anyone know how do i navigate to a folder from konsole
[16:10] <awidegreen> hej! i want to install intrepid in my existing lvm group - has anybody any idea how to map the existing lvm grp while the installation-process (command-line)?
[16:10] <KDesk> Seaboy: ah, the k3b config is in .kde/share/ but I dont think that k3b saves the image, maybe take a look at /tmp/
[16:11] <KDesk> Sokal-EC: use cd to change dirictory. ls to list the content
[16:11] <Seaboy> KDesk: thank you very much
[16:11] <KDesk> Sokal-EC: cd /home/youuser/folder
[16:12] <KDesk> Seaboy: np, good luck!
[16:13] <sparr> KDesk: how do i get/use the old network manager?  i really need to connect to my work VPN, and i hate having to use gnome to do it
[16:14] <dr_willis> yu could just run the gnome network-manager tool
[16:14] <dr_willis> no need to use all of gnome perhaps
[16:14] <KDesk> sparr: in hardy it was also networkmanager 0.6, but in intrepid there is networkmanager 0.7, it is much better. I h ave the package network-manager-kde installed
[16:15] <sparr> dr_willis: changes in intrepid prevent nm-applet from running in kde (conflicting providers of the service or something like that, dbus is very confusing)
[16:15] <rrittenhouse> I just installed Kubuntu 32bit with the alt cd. When it came up it would half of the time drop into the shell and I would have to type startx and sometimes it would take me to X. I even had one time where everything froze. Any ideas?
[16:15] <dr_willis> sparr,  isent that special.. :)
[16:16] <aaroncampbell> My printer won't work since the 8.10 upgrade.  It keeps saying "Unable to start filter "/usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9440cn/cupswrapper/brlpdwrapper_mfc9440cn" - Permission denied."
[16:16] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  what video card?
[16:16] <aaroncampbell> I re-downloaded the .deb from Brother and installed it, but I'm pretty sure something else is causing the problem, because that didn't fix it
[16:17] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
[16:17] <KDesk> sparr: but if you have the networkmanager from gnome it should work in kde. HAve you the network-manager-kde pakcage installed?
[16:17] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: I'm an ubuntu user and I've never had an issue (even Ibex). I'm just wondering what could be wrong.
[16:18] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  kubuntua nd ubuntu use the same drivers/underlaying OS. so ive no idea on taht..  If you had Ubuntu isntalled you could just install kubuntu-desktop
[16:18] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  You may want to check and be sure you are using the nvidia drivers,  could try som eother window maangers also. see if they also crash
[16:18] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: True. I should have just done that.. gah! :)
[16:19] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  one of the first things i do on a new box. :) install all the desktops and stuff
[16:19] <rrittenhouse> It seems to work now after I enabled the nvidia driver once getting into KDE. Even dual monitors is working. I'm just having weird crashes now :P
[16:19] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: cool. I was always a KDE user and at some point Ubuntu came along and I switched. I'm just trying to check back into KDE.
[16:20] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: Another weird problem I had was when I added the twitter widget and tried to connect it would crash the entire plasma interface. It did that on the livecd too
[16:23] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: Good thinking. I'm gonna install Ubuntu again and just put KDE on it too in case I decide I need gnome again lol
[16:29] <aaroncampbell> The problem I was having with my printer (It kept saying :Unable to start filter "/usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9440cn/cupswrapper/brlpdwrapper_mfc9440cn" - Permission denied.) was able to get fixed with "sudo aa-complain cupsd" ...will that be a permanent fix or will I need to do that on every reboot?
[16:31] <Seaboy> is there anyway to backup installed packages and use it later, I should mention that I just have access to console mode
[16:32] <sparr> KDesk: yes, i have network-manager-kde installed.  the kde4 version has no support for VPNs (and doesn't work with my ethernet connection anyways, but that's another bug for another day)
[16:32] <KDesk> sparr: which is the kde4 version? I thought it wasn't ready.
[16:33] <sparr> it isn't, that's the point
[16:33] <KDesk> sparr: ah, where do you got the kde4 version?
[16:33] <sparr> 1:0.7svn864988
[16:33] <sparr> upgrade to intrepid
[16:33] <sparr> which i regret on so many levels
[16:34] <KDesk> sparr: I use intrepid but dont have the nm kde4 version...
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> it's not a KDE4 version
[16:34] <ka9de> hi, is there a german kubuntu channel?
[16:35] <bazhang> !de
[16:35] <ka9de> thx <3
[16:35] <nyad> Hi.
[16:36] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: ah, ok. When will the kde4 version be ready? Will it be a plasmoid?