[02:57] <hardsalami> My videocard died, and after switching to my motherboard's on board video my display is extremely off and I can't seem to adjust it using settings -> display, is there something I'm missing?
[03:03] <Jaded> Hi
[03:04] <Jaded> anyone out there?
[03:07] <charlie-tca> hardsalami: usually that is a button on the monitor to auto-focus it, but it has to be pushed for each change of OS made
[03:07] <charlie-tca> Jaded: If you need help, please ask your question all on one line and a volunteer will attempt to answer if they know.
[03:08] <hardsalami> charlie-tca, it's not that exactly, in settings->display, there isn't an option to set it to my monitors resolution
[03:09] <charlie-tca> Did you try installing a hardware driver in Settings -> System -> Additional Drivers?
[03:11] <hardsalami> Additional Drivers says that there are no proprietary drivers in use on the system, and there are no other options
[03:12] <Jaded> I'm just trying to make my duron 1ghz as snappy as possible, and it seems to be sluggish even on XFCE :(
[03:12] <Jaded> 512ram
[03:14] <Jaded> the only way i was able to make it snappy was to install flushbox :(
[03:15] <charlie-tca> Jaded: hm, that might be what you have to do then
[03:15] <hardsalami> Install Arch
[03:15] <charlie-tca> What about Lubuntu?
[03:15] <Jaded> but what about something inbetween?
[03:15] <DarkEra> bet it isn't 512 MB RAM, there could be a shared memory for the use of the videocard
[03:16] <Jaded> I'm using a geforce 5200 FX - 128MB
[03:16] <charlie-tca> hardsalami: we don' t really recommend Arch here, we try to keep it simple as possible
[03:16] <charlie-tca> Jaded: Lubuntu is lighter than Xubuntu, but keeps it in the family
[03:16] <hardsalami> He asked for snappiness, not simplicity :P
[03:16] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[03:17] <charlie-tca> It does use fewer resources than Xubuntu, so it is snappier on old hardware
[03:22] <Jaded> i've already tested LXDE
[03:23] <charlie-tca> Is this a fresh Xubuntu installation, or Ubuntu, then Xubuntu?
[03:26] <Jaded> fresh xubuntu install, then tried about 5 different windows managers, that could switch between at the login screen
[03:26] <charlie-tca> I am out of ideas then
[03:29] <Jaded> k thanks anyway
[04:34] <Potluck> Greetings anybody home?
[04:49] <charlie-tca> !anybody | Potluck
[05:26] <ball> hello nhandler
[06:13] <goran> since new versions of ubuntu and xubuntu, and im now in xubuntu, i am very very annoyed by some things
[06:14] <goran> good morning, btw
[06:14] <goran> i was surfing before, and one pop up page showed in desktop, and i couldnt close it or switch app and anything
[06:14] <goran> i had to reset computer
[06:15] <goran> also, alt tab doesnt work
[06:15] <goran> any help?
[06:20] <GridCube> mmm
[06:20] <GridCube> thats weird
[06:21] <GridCube> that sound like some scripting to mess whit you
[06:21] <bazhang> he quit
[06:21] <GridCube> oh
[06:22] <GridCube> XD having part/join messages hided are a bother sometimes
[06:35] <GridCube> mmm audacity do not sends its OSD to the xfce OSD...
[06:38] <GridCube> ^audacious
[06:51] <jarnos> How do you control parking of hard disk in Xubuntu?
[06:51] <jarnos> I think my disk parks too much.
[06:53] <jarnos> I have not marked "spin down hard disks" in Xfce4 power manager preferences.
[09:52] <cloud_> Is it possible to disable/remove xfce4-notifyd without removing the whole xfce4-desktop packages?
[11:00] <aljona> Hi, I installed Veetle and now when i rebooted my machine i can not login to xfce. When i log in from the terminal i get the message "You do not own that encrypted directory". So clearly Veetle has messed something up. Does anybody know a solution to this?
[11:20] <ashmew2> Hoi , I have a desktop lying around running Windows XP , i want to install Xubuntu on it but the problem is that it has a broken CD Rom and an old BIOS in which i cant figure out how to boot using a pen drive. I also have a laptop currently running Ubuntu 11.04. So is there any way i could install Xubuntu on my Desktop machine ?Like boot ISO from the hard disk or using the laptop to force boot the desktop ? Thanks.
[11:24] <Sysi> you could install it to hdd of the desktop on the laptop, but you'd need some adapter for doing that
[11:24] <ashmew2> Sysi what do you mean ? Copy the contents of the .iso or the iso itself ?
[11:25] <ashmew2> oh no, you mean attach HD of the desktop to the laptop and boot it using that and install it and put it back in the Desktop
[11:25] <Sysi> no, boot the installer on the laptop and select other hdd as installation media
[11:25] <Sysi> yup
[11:25] <ashmew2> Couldnt it be more clean ?
[11:26] <Sysi> pxeboot would propably work, if you can set it up
[11:26] <Sysi> !pxe
[11:26] <Sysi> no :(
[11:28] <Sysi> http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/ubuntu_pxe.html
[11:28] <Sysi> check URLs on wget-lines to match ubuntu version you want to install
[11:28] <ashmew2> ok ill give it a try
[11:28] <ashmew2> Thanks
[12:45] <cloud_> how could I know which packages out of xubuntu-desktop _require_ xfce4-notifyd? (I want to remove it, but I don't want to remove the whole xubuntu-desktop)
[12:51] <tobago> is there an issue known for Xubuntu 8.04 (hardy heron) when connecting the pc on a hdmi display (pc: hdmi out; display HDMI in)?
[12:52] <tobago> on my xubuntu 8.04 the letters of the windows are tiny.
[13:07] <elros> tobago: I'm using oneiric but see if this helps: you can adjust the size and type of your font to deal with the situation
[13:07] <elros> go to settings > settings manager > appearance > fonts
[13:07] <Sysi> tobago: you should start preparing to upgrade to current LTS 10.04, but meanwhile, set fonts to be bigger
[13:08] <elros> then set the Default font from Sans 10 to what you like
[13:08] <Sysi> !hardy
[13:08] <elros> !lts
[13:08] <elros> !oneiric
[13:09] <Sysi> !investigation
[13:09] <elros> so I should use private messages with ubottu?
[13:10] <tobago> Sysi: unfortunately the machine includes an intel gma500 graphiccard which is supported only til hardy heron. that is why i stick on that release.
[13:14] <tobago> Sysi: to me the issue more depend on the interface used for the display. the same settings using HDMI-->DVI works fine, but using HDMI-->HDMI there is the issue with resolution.
[13:16] <elros> have you looked at mepis antix?
[13:18] <plantoschka> anyone can tell me where i have to put a new xfce theme in xubuntu 11.04 ? /usr/share/themes ?
[13:21] <plantoschka> ok it was /usr/share/themes :-D figured it out by myself
[13:21] <tobago> elros: no. i hear the first time of it. but it guess the current release won't support my graphic card (intel gma500).
[13:21] <elros> right
[13:24] <tobago> elros: and the issue i got with xfce is the only problem.
[13:27] <elros> https://launchpad.net/~gma500/+archive/ppa
[13:27] <Sysi> plantoschka: ~/.themes works too
[13:30] <plantoschka> ok thanks Sysi
[13:31] <elros> tobago: if that PPA works for you, you could upgrade to lucid
[13:32] <tobago> elros: poulsbo is not working since hardy heron.
[13:34] <Sysi> (i didn't know it *has* worked) but hardy is EOL on desktop :|
[13:37] <tobago> Sysi: that's a pity. so i have to migrate to gnome (ubuntu).
[13:41] <Sysi> it's desktop too
[13:41] <Sysi> (luckily it still gets some security updates, but still)
[14:03] <tobago> Sysi: mmh. which linux still supports gma500?
[14:06] <Sysi> debian stable or oldstable should have about same kernel as hardy
[14:24] <tobago> Sysi: i'm a linux newbee. is it possible to install lucid lynx, install an older kernel (say 2.6.28-11), lock that kernel in grub/menu.lst and install the poulsbo stuff? will it work? inspired by: http://www.bgevolution.com/blog/intel-gma-500-windows-and-linux-drivers/
[14:34] <elros> debian lenny has 2.6.26, hardy has 2.6.24
[14:52] <tobago> elros: what do you mean by introducing debian lenny?
[15:34] <plantoschka> anyone know the name of the audiosettings application?
[15:36] <plantoschka> my xubuntu seems to have lost it :(
[15:36] <charlie-tca> xfce4-mixer?
[15:37] <plantoschka> when i clicked on the audio-indicator and audio-settings at the bottom it startet some nice configuration. now it only brings up the controlcenter
[15:38] <plantoschka> no it's not xfce4-mixer
[15:38] <charlie-tca> sounds like you had gnome-mixer in there, maybe
[15:43] <plantoschka> hm no gnome-mixer found
[15:48] <plantoschka> sometimes my sound gets really messed up.. pretty weird..
[15:48] <plantoschka> sounds like 8bit :-D
[15:49] <charlie-tca> try installing pavucontrol, it might be what you are looking for
[15:54] <mosmo> Hello! I'm using Xubuntu for a homeserver, and I'd like to disable the automatic startup of XFCE
[15:54] <mosmo> How can I do that?
[15:54] <plantoschka> thanks charlie-tca that really looks fine
[15:56] <plantoschka> think it's wine or chrome that sometimes messes my sound up ;) next time i figure it out
[16:10] <LemonyZ> hello
[16:23] <paradgm> morning, evening all depending on where you are located
[16:23] <paradgm> i am booted into my Windows 7 box, ugh I know, but I keep it around for times like these
[16:23] <plantoschka> hi paradgm
[16:23] <paradgm> whenever i login to my account through the Xubuntu start screen, it logs me in, then kicks me right back to the login screen
[16:24] <paradgm> is there a corrupt file causing this to occur?
[16:24] <charlie-tca> yes, there is
[16:25] <charlie-tca> You can try the following, but it will remove some of your settings
[16:25] <paradgm> oh excellent. what is the fix that I can try?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Switch to a TTY using Ctrl+Alt+F2, login there. Remove the theme as follows:
[16:25] <paradgm> thats fine
[16:25] <charlie-tca> rm -r ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
[16:25] <charlie-tca> rm -r ~/.cache
[16:25] <charlie-tca> shutdown -r now (which will reboot the system)
[16:26] <charlie-tca> When the login screen comes back, you will be able to login. The cause of this issue is Window Manager, Wildbush theme.
[16:26] <paradgm> thanks man... ill be back with the report
[16:38] <paradgm> hmm that idd not work correctly
[16:38] <paradgm> there was no .config directly
[16:38] <paradgm> i was able to remove the .cache folder
[16:43] <paradgm> think reinstalling xubuntu would resolve the issue?
[16:43] <Sysi> if you've ever used that xubuntu, you should have ~/.config/
[16:44] <Sysi> you can try rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority too
[16:44] <charlie-tca> That' s the one I forget
[16:44] <charlie-tca> reinstalling would only solve the issue if you reformat /home
[16:45] <paradgm> only . files i have is Access-Your-Private.Data.desktop
[16:45] <paradgm> .ecryptfss
[16:45] <paradgm> .gnome
[16:45] <paradgm> and .Private
[16:45] <paradgm> ,cache was there but was removed
[16:46] <paradgm> this was a reinstall of xubuntu.. do you think i should wipe it again? I have nothing ofuse on heree thought i need to save my win7 partition
[16:50] <charlie-tca> You should be able to decrypt /home and remove the files
[16:51] <paradgm> not sure how to do this
[16:53] <charlie-tca> take a look at
[16:53] <charlie-tca> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html
[17:14] <plantoschka> should i try ubuntu oneiric separate or can i install the ubuntu-desktop package in xubuntu oneiric? ;)
[17:14] <plantoschka> just want to see what they do with unity
[17:16] <Sysi> just install the desktop package
[17:17] <draioch> hi is there any way to see file sizes in the xubuntu file manager or do i need a different file manager
[17:18] <charlie-tca> draioch: view -> detail view
[17:20] <draioch> thx charlie-tca already tried that all folders show size of 32kb?
[17:20] <charlie-tca> folder sizes are found by looking at properties in thunar
[17:22] <draioch> yea thx but would like to see them in a file manager if possible (windows does the same)
[17:23] <draioch> so guess ill have to find another file manager u dont know one by chance that has that functionality
[17:30] <charlie-tca> um, no, can't say I do. I have used Thunar for about 5 years
[17:47] <plantoschka> what do u use charlie-tca ?
[17:47] <plantoschka> fileroller?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> for?
[17:48] <plantoschka> my mystake..
[17:48] <plantoschka> i've read: i don't have used thunar for about 5 years :-D
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Oh, heh :)
[20:26] <xubuntu350> why someone programs do not appear in the software center, if i have installed its in the terminal?
[20:27] <GridCube> mmm i don't really know how that works
[22:07] <rethus> where can i set FN+F5 to work for brightnes-adjustment
[22:08] <rethus> spicctrl on konsole works well, but the keys didn't seem to asign to adjust brightness
[22:08] <rethus> Fn+F1-F3 works for loudness...
[22:08] <rethus> but still last upgrade brightness didn't work
[22:12] <GridCube> mmm
[22:16] <GridCube> rethus, try keytouch
[22:56] <cr0wb4r> Does anyone have experience getting a mac to boot xubuntu off of a external HDD?
[22:57] <cr0wb4r> My main HDD died and I would like to use xubuntu via a external hard drive.
[22:58] <cr0wb4r> It is already installed to the external hard drive it just won't recognize the it in the boot menu.
[23:03] <cr0wb4r> Perhaps I should take my question to ubuntu?
[23:18] <GridCube> D:
[23:18] <GridCube> something really bad happened
[23:19] <GridCube> im afraid of closing my session to see if stuff gets fixed before knowing how stuff broke
[23:19] <charlie-tca> cr0wb4r: there is a channel for macs, maybe they will be more helpful - #ubuntu-powerpc
[23:20] <GridCube> all the suddend i tried to scrot and scrot said it couldnt save the png into the folder
[23:20] <GridCube> and then firefox failed to recognize my [Enter] key
[23:20] <GridCube> and then all the folders of marked pages went empty
[23:20] <GridCube> and thunar doesnt work
[23:21] <GridCube> and when it does it shows all the folders on my home partition whit a lock
[23:21] <GridCube> D:
[23:21] <plantoschka> gonna get me a nexus S ;)
[23:22] <charlie-tca> GridCube: is that a test install?
[23:22] <GridCube> >(thunar:3700): libxfce4util-CRITICAL **: Unable to open file /home/benitez/.config/Thunar/thunarrc.3700.tmp for writing: Sistema de ficheros de sólo lectura
[23:22] <GridCube> no
[23:22] <GridCube> my main system
[23:22] <GridCube> i was doing the test install
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Try the caps-lock and num-lock keys, see if the lights blink at all
[23:22] <GridCube> yes they do
[23:22] <charlie-tca> You  are running natty or oneiric?
[23:22] <GridCube> no
[23:22] <charlie-tca> yes, no, what?
[23:23] <GridCube> i mean they blink when i activate them, not all the time
[23:23] <GridCube> im using 10.04
[23:23] <cr0wb4r> charlie-tca, thank you but I am on an intel mac not a powerpc.
[23:23] <charlie-tca> Then you can use the normal shutdown to restart without saving the session
[23:23] <GridCube> thunar-volman: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4b8_865_4D46464B3035373938_if2_scsi_host_0_scsi_device_lun0.
[23:24] <charlie-tca> right-click the panel, click logoff, uncheck save session
[23:24] <GridCube> ok
[23:24] <GridCube> will try
[23:24] <GridCube> hope things work
[23:24] <charlie-tca> cr0wb4r: point was they work with the mac / ppc systems, we don't
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Maybe they would know how to make that external drive work?
[23:24] <cr0wb4r> Ok, I guess I will go ask there then.
[23:25] <GridCube> ok, will try to reboot now
[23:26] <charlie-tca> cr0wb4r: no guarantees with them, but I didn' t see anyone here jump up with a response
[23:27] <cr0wb4r> charlie-tca, understood. I appreciate your time :)
[23:27] <charlie-tca> no problem, I wish I had a better answer than " go somewhere else"
[23:30] <GridCube> oh that was really scary
[23:30] <GridCube> thank you charlie-tca


[06:33] <mr_pouit> ochosi: I think jeromeg is on it
[06:33] <mr_pouit> and yeah, we can discuss the panel more, just ping me
[06:34] <mr_pouit> and yeah², the first start is very slow (because of gvfs iirc); maybe jannis knows what we can "preload" to improve that.
[08:28] <ochosi> mr_pouit: good morning :)
[08:29] <ochosi> mr_pouit: the main thing i'm uncertain of is the bottom panel. i mean whether we really need/want it (by default)
[09:09] <mr_pouit> re
[09:09] <mr_pouit> ochosi: maybe only a dock-like bottom panel ?
[09:10] <mr_pouit> hmpf, that's already present in the first iteration ;-)
[09:10] <ochosi> hehe
[09:11] <ochosi> well, the problem with the "dock-like" is that in the xfce-panel we can't combine open windows and starters
[09:12] <mr_pouit> you mean, like windows 7?
[09:12] <ochosi> yeah, or like macos for that matter
[09:12] <ochosi> docky basically does that too
[09:16] <ochosi> so, you're in favor of the bottom panel?
[09:26] <mr_pouit> I think people are used to launcher icons, and if we put them on the top panel it will be a bit 'overcrowded'
[09:31] <ochosi> yes, i think so too
[09:32] <ochosi> i mean i don't use launchers, therefore i wasn't sure whether "the general public" needs that
[09:32] <mr_pouit> neither do I, but I think they use it ;>
[09:46] <ochosi> mhm
[09:46] <ochosi> so we can keep it this way
[09:46] <ochosi> auto-hidden by default
[09:46] <ochosi> so it's not too much in the way
[16:20] <mr_pouit> is there a meeting today?
[16:22] <ochosi> good question
[16:22] <ochosi> this would probably be the first time i could make it :)
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Do you have updates?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I am willing to have one
[16:26] <ochosi> well, i'm working on a new default panel layout
[16:26] <ochosi> you can see iteration1 here: http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:xfce-panel
[16:26] <ochosi> feedback appreciated
[16:27] <ochosi> the only thing that's incorrect in that screenshot is that the windowlist would have the titles enabled
[16:28] <ochosi> also: we've settled on elementary as default icon theme for natty
[16:28] <ochosi> i'll fix it together with upstream
[16:28] <ochosi> i'm still working on the gtk and xfwm themes, both are not final yet
[16:28] <ochosi> i guess that's pretty much all the news from my side :)
[16:29] <charlie-tca> I am using that layout, with the addition of a third panel for workspaces. I added it to the bottom, as a "grow as needed" panel, with a space between it and the launcher panel
[16:30] <charlie-tca> My eight workspaces took too much room on the top panel
[16:30] <ochosi> hehe
[16:31] <ochosi> well, not sure whether eight workspaces is the typical use-case :)
[16:31] <charlie-tca> heh, no?
[16:31] <ochosi> but yes, the desktop-switcher is maybe one thing that's missing in my layout
[16:31] <ochosi> do you think it should be there?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I need it
[16:31] <ochosi> mhm
[16:31] <charlie-tca> I think many of our users do use more than one workspace, but that is an advanced thing
[16:32] <ochosi> k, i'll try to make iteration2 soon and integrate it
[16:32] <ochosi> would you mind posting a screenshot of how your panels look right now?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> You do know the default for ubuntu 10.10 was 2, right?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> most users that are not experienced will not use workspaces at all
[16:33] <ochosi> yeah, i know
[16:33] <ochosi> that's why i didn't put the switcher there until now
[16:33] <ochosi> but we can try and see how it looks in the top-panel
[16:33] <ochosi> unless you think we don't need it
[16:34] <charlie-tca> I don't know if we need to add it, or just release note that the user is welcome to add it
[16:34] <ochosi> mhm
[16:34] <ochosi> about the bottom launcher panel:
[16:35] <ochosi> i briefly discussed this with mr_pouit recently, he said he thinks people need launchers
[16:35] <charlie-tca> If the user doesn't use workspaces, they won't even know it is gone
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I like the launcher panel
[16:35] <ochosi> ok, then we should focus on what we'd like to have there by default
[16:35] <ochosi> what do you think about having it on autohide by default?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> hate it
[16:36] <ochosi> rly?
[16:36] <ochosi> hm
[16:36] <ochosi> ok
[16:36] <ochosi> i thought that would be a good idea not to lose too much vertical space
[16:36] <charlie-tca> here's the screenshot - http://imagebin.org/130258
[16:36] <ochosi> of course we can also put the second panel on the left side (like ubuntu does with unity)
[16:37] <charlie-tca> We have two panels in all the releases, how would changing the bottom panel to a launcher panel change that?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> I tried the panel on the side. It is ugly and screws up text if used
[16:38] <ochosi> i never really liked the two-panel layout
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I would really like to see orage clock replace that clock we use, too
[16:38] <ochosi> sure, that's already there
[16:38] <ochosi> i don't see a definite reason for having two panels. up to now the top panel was a complete waste if you ask me
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I also use the orage world time clock, as you see
[16:38] <ochosi> i mean a waste of space
[16:38] <ochosi> yeah, i like that
[16:39] <charlie-tca> That is clicking on orage with the middle button
[16:39] <charlie-tca> and then adding the timezones. I find it convenient
[16:39] <ochosi> your resolution is definitely high enough so that the second panel won't matter much, but people who have netbooks or <=13'' laptops...
[16:39] <ochosi> yeah, orage worldclock is a nice thing
[16:40] <ochosi> don't really get why it wasn't there by default in previous releases
[16:40] <charlie-tca> I wonder if we can't make the top panel shrink too, and let it grow as windows are opened and closed?
[16:41] <ochosi> hm, not sure, it's not something i would like :)
[16:41] <charlie-tca> If we used a no text launcher panel, it would work on the side
[16:41] <charlie-tca> That is the reason unity is icons only, I think
[16:41] <ochosi> yeah, i think the text-launcher panel is out of the question
[16:41] <ochosi> the texts are mostly too long
[16:42] <ochosi> ok, anyways, g2g now
[16:43] <charlie-tca> The way I use it, with workspaces on a separate panel, the side panel screws me up
[16:43] <charlie-tca> worth thinking about, though
[16:43] <ochosi> mhm
[16:43] <ochosi> in case i don't make it to the meeting you at least now the status quo now :)
[16:43] <ochosi> if there even will be a meeting
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:44] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we want a meeting today?
[16:44] <ochosi> no problem
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I forgot to send the reminder out
[16:44] <ochosi> hm. so maybe we would be the only attendees anyways
[16:44] <charlie-tca> yeah
[16:45] <ochosi> guess in that case i'll find other things to do )
[16:45] <ochosi> ;)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah, I add launchers to the launchers, too. like under firefox, I have email, terminal, newsreader
[16:45] <ochosi> mhm, maybe we can work on a list of launchers we'd like to have in the launcher panel
[16:45] <ochosi> now that we've decided to have one
[16:46] <charlie-tca> that would be good
[16:46] <ochosi> and i'll try to put the launcher panel on the side and on the bottom so that we can see the difference
[16:46] <ochosi> (even though maybe you have to use it to see whether you like it)
[16:46] <charlie-tca> I think at least put in firefox, mail, thunar
[16:46] <ochosi> yeah, and maybe the xfce-settings
[16:46] <charlie-tca> I been using this launcher thing since 4.7 came to natty
[16:47] <ochosi> we also should think about default dimensions
[16:47] <ochosi> currently it's 24px top panel
[16:47] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe abiword too?
[16:47] <ochosi> yeah, maybe
[16:47] <ochosi> and software center
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I couldn't use the small panel, so I gave it up for "big"
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I think mine are at 40 now
[16:48] <ochosi> sure, your screen-resolution is high enough
[16:48] <ochosi> but on a small laptop-screen this would steal too much space imo
[16:48] <charlie-tca> even on small screens, I have to make it big to see the things
[16:48] <ochosi> k
[16:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, I am not good when it comes to deciding sizes, since my eyes are not doing good again
[16:49] <ochosi> sorry to hear that
[16:49]  * charlie-tca shrugs
[16:49] <charlie-tca> just something to live with
[16:49] <ochosi> i'll try to discuss it with mr_pouit and maybe a few others
[16:49] <charlie-tca> good idea.
[16:49] <ochosi> k, rly g2g now
[16:49] <ochosi> see you around
[16:50]  * ochosi waves
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:50] <ochosi> oh, and in case i don't manage to stop by before that: happy new year
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Same to you
[16:50] <ochosi> thx, bye
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Enjoy it
[16:56] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: are we going to activate the "software-sources" menu item for Natty?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu is no longer using it since 10.10, but we could
[16:59] <charlie-tca> OTOH, if we use "Application Finder" for the menu, it is there under System
[17:16] <mr_pouit> I don't have any update =]
[17:16] <charlie-tca> heh, then let's not have the meeting. We will have one next week, though
[17:16] <mr_pouit> and I will still be in the train when the meeting starts I'm afraid =(
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Well, then...
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Have a really happy New Year's
[17:19] <micahg> By next week we'll hopefully have a schedule for 10.04.2
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[17:19] <charlie-tca> That would be really good
[20:09] <ochosi> mr_pouit: heya, just realised that the version of the time-out panel-plugin we're having in xubuntu is really ancient, any chance we could update that from git to version 1.0 until natty?


[00:12] <infinity> slangasek: Alright, Paul tells me he tested the Debian upload, and it built fine on all arches, so a +1 on syncing to trusty, and then I'll find a time machine and do some testing on Ubuntu too?
[00:13] <infinity> Well, once LP learns about it, so it can do the copy...
[06:19] <tseliot> hi, can an admin reject ubuntu-drivers-common from trusty-proposed, please? (I'd like to add one more small fix)
[06:21] <tseliot> infinity: ^
[07:27] <RAOF> tseliot: Sure.
[07:28] <tseliot> RAOF: thanks!
[15:07] <Riddell> what would it take to make a kubuntu-plasma5 flavour which was built with a PPA?
[15:21] <Riddell> Laney: how's the unity 8 flavour doing?
[15:21] <Riddell> (I would like to point out we were planning on a plasma5 flavour before you announced that one :)
[15:22] <Laney> Riddell: there's no PPA involved there
[15:22] <Riddell> Laney: ah, it's all in the archive?
[15:22] <Laney> yep
[15:24] <Laney> I think cjwatson's new stuff might help you in this regard somewhat
[15:26] <Laney> Riddell: btw, are you aware that kubuntu-active images are failing to build?
[15:26] <Laney> Riddell: because kmail-mobile and kdepim-mobileui-data have a file conflict
[15:27] <Riddell> gosh are they still trying to build?  I should probably stop them, it's not usable
[15:28] <Laney> Still seems like a bug. :)
[15:28] <Riddell> cjwatson: what's the magic new stuff to make images buildable with PPAs?
[15:29] <seb128> Riddell, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-May/038267.html
[15:34] <Riddell> thanks seb128
[15:34] <seb128> yw!
[15:44] <Riddell> Laney: this is your unity8 flavour? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[15:45] <Laney> Riddell: yup
[15:45] <Laney> Riddell: It doesn't work atm
[15:45] <Riddell> Laney: how did you build it? just editing cdimage scripts or is there a newer more fancy way?
[15:46] <Laney> wrong type of snow on the ci train line etc
[15:46] <Laney> cdimage, launchpad (to generate Task:) and livecd-rootfs
[15:47] <Laney> and I think cjwatson did some bits to debian-cd behind the scenes too
[15:47] <Laney> and adding the product to the ISO tracker
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Laney: cjwatson I thought that unity8 was going to be delivered via PPA;s
[15:51] <shadeslayer> or atleast that's what I recall from the ML discussion
[15:52] <Laney> Not for this flavour at any rate
[15:53] <Laney> There might be some ideas floating around about how to get it running on 14.04 that involve PPAs, not sure about that
[15:54] <seb128> see https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08410.html
[15:55] <seb128> the ppa option got flagged as "shelved" in there
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ok, I keep messing up derived distribution and ppa >.>
[15:56] <cjwatson> Riddell: it's not in place yet, please ask later
[15:56] <shadeslayer> anyway, IIRC cjwatson had some tooling done to make ISO's from PPA's I think, will wait for him to get back
[15:57] <shadeslayer> oh ^^
[16:56] <cjwatson> Riddell: it'll require https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/livefs-extra-ppas/+merge/220109 and then we can set EXTRA_PPAS in the environment when running a livefs build
[16:56] <cjwatson> from cdimage
[16:57] <cjwatson> will probably refine that later
[16:57] <cjwatson> only works as long as the PPA's only needed for the livefs though; if it's needed on the pool on the ISO then that will take some more work
[17:03] <Riddell> cjwatson: ooh interesting, thanks
[17:05] <cjwatson> Riddell: more importantly it requires https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/db-livefs/+merge/217206 https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/livefs/+merge/217261 https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/livefs-garbo/+merge/217784 https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/livefs-browser/+merge/219505 :-)
[19:30] <robru> cjwatson, can you check on platform-api in proposed? excuses says valid candidate but it's been sitting for a while.
[19:31] <seb128> robru, see #ubuntu-ci-eng
[19:31] <seb128> that's being discussed there
[19:31] <seb128> robru, you should know about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt by now no?
[19:32] <robru> seb128, yeah I just forget
[19:33] <robru> seb128, also no idea how to interpret it
[20:00] <cjwatson> robru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration has some interp advice fwiw
[20:06] <robru> cjwatson, thanks


[02:37] <skaet> Ubuntu desktop & alternate posted. 20110901.  archs: amd64, amd64+mac, i386
[02:53] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio alternate posted.   20110901.   archs: amd64, i386
[03:54] <skaet> refreshed Edubuntu DVD's just posted to the tracker.  20110901
[05:01] <skaet> Ubuntu DVD posted. 20110901
[05:41] <skaet> Kubuntu Desktop posted. 20110901.
[07:07] <jibel> morning
[10:42] <jibel> chadadavis, morning. Have you been able to test the GPT fix ?
[10:43] <chadadavis> Yes, it's fixed!
[10:44] <chadadavis> Thanks to cjwatson
[10:44] <chadadavis> See bug 837681
[10:47] <cjwatson> hooray
[10:59] <jibel> chadadavis, Yay \o/ thanks for verifying the fix
[10:59] <chadadavis> jibel, happy to help. Won't get through all amd64+mac tests this week, but will do one install test for each of the four ISOs.
[12:34] <jibel> Daviey, anyone to test iSCSI or you don't care for Beta 1 ?
[12:35] <Daviey> jibel: no, we really should test it considering it's prior form.
[12:46] <jibel> Daviey, could your team test it then ?
[12:46] <jibel> please
[12:46] <Daviey> jibel: 2 steps ahead of you. :)
[12:46] <Daviey> jamespage is saving the day.
[12:47] <jibel> good :) jamespage saved so many days
[12:48] <jamespage> jibel: running them now
[12:48] <jamespage> I keep my iscsi target setup to make it easier
[12:49] <Daviey> \o/
[13:04] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: hmm - not looking so good - installed OK but won't complete boot ATM
[13:04] <jamespage> grr
[13:04] <jamespage> 10 minute jobs and all that
[13:05] <Daviey> jamespage: bah, maybe it would have been better for us not to test it :)
[13:05] <jamespage> im going to push the car back to the top of the hill to see if it crashes again
[13:06] <Daviey> jamespage: this time, try to do it without breaking it.. kkthnx
[13:06] <jamespage> getting lots of 'recoverable transport errors'
[13:06] <jamespage> not good
[13:22] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: nope - not happy - seems to bork when the iscsid starts
[13:22] <jamespage> so I'm running a lucid target with oneiric clients which has been good to-date
[13:23] <Daviey> jamespage: sounds good.. why did you have to find fault with out otherwise pretty good candidate? :)
[13:23] <jamespage> sorry
[13:24] <jamespage> I'll raise the bug now
[13:25] <Daviey> super!
[13:26] <Daviey> why is iscsi so fickle every cycle?
[13:27] <astraljava> Hi guys, virtualbox question; if I want to use the same disk file for two installations, how do I go about installing the second installation? Now it just boots directly into the first installation, and doesn't prompt me for a new install dialog.
[13:28] <charlie-tca> You have to shut down the VM, then start it again
[13:29] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Right, but the first install is already shut down.
[13:30] <astraljava> Well, Powered Off, as it says in the manager.
[13:30] <charlie-tca> Try hitting F12 as it starts? It should give you a choice of drives to boot from, pick cd
[13:30] <astraljava> Oh okay, I'll try that, thanks!
[13:31] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: bug 838809
[13:31] <charlie-tca> I should say I haven't used VBox in a while, since I have to remove and reinstall it with each new kernel
[13:31] <jamespage> or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/838809
[13:33] <astraljava> charlie-tca: That was good advice, I realized then that I had to choose the correct .iso first in the Devices menu. Thanks for your help! (once again. :D)
[13:33] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. Glad you got it working
[13:34] <astraljava> Yep. :) When's the deadline for beta1 tests?
[13:39] <charlie-tca> today
[13:39] <charlie-tca> jibel: any timeframe yet?
[13:41] <astraljava> Damn, gonna get busy.
[13:42] <charlie-tca> since everything got re-built overnight, it is as soon as we know they are valid now
[13:51] <astraljava> Right, right.
[13:52] <astraljava> Seems that we haven't got a success really attracting testers this time around, I have around 6 more tests to be done, still.
[13:56] <charlie-tca> I think everybody except Ubuntu came up short on testers this milestone
[13:56] <astraljava> Damn. That's not good.
[13:58] <jamespage> Daviey: appear to impact i386 as well
[14:11] <patdk-wk> sorry, extreemly busy at work :( haven't been able to this time :(
[14:16] <cjwatson> didn't the kernel iscsi stack get swapped out this cycle?
[14:16] <cjwatson> or was that just for targets?
[14:16] <cjwatson> Daviey: because somebody said foundations had to take care of it but we don't really have anyone who desperately cares
[14:17] <cjwatson> if you want a blunt answer :)
[14:17] <cjwatson> I wonder if that's yet another case of the networking accidentally getting ripped out from under the iscsi stac
[14:17] <cjwatson> k
[15:22] <hggdh> charlie-tca: what is critical to test now?
[15:23]  * hggdh got some time available
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I don't think anyting is critical now.
[15:26] <charlie-tca> The last push was at least to make sure these images built last night were working
[15:28] <charlie-tca> hggdh: I have two tests running, then I am done for this release
[15:59] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: can you confirm what I suspect, in Xubuntu session, both the tray area and the indicator widget thing should come up ?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> cyphermox: yes, they should
[16:01] <cyphermox> awesome
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Usually missing means something went really wrong with the session
[16:01] <cyphermox> I'm fixing bug 819617, but I'm trying to avoid showing two instances of NM :)
[18:30] <hggdh> interesting. I just installed an UBuntu alternate AMD64, and opted for a command-line system. It did not boot...
[18:45] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[18:45] <charlie-tca> That is usually a bad thing...
[18:46] <hggdh> yeah. Not good at all. I am reinstalling to check
[18:46] <hggdh> I think we might have yet another ISO testing bug ;-)
[18:47] <hggdh> the interesting part is it was a mistake, I was going to an install on Lucid alternate command-line only, but selected the oneiric ISO...
[18:48] <charlie-tca> hggdh: thanks for the offer today.
[18:48] <charlie-tca> I do appreciate it when people try to help.
[18:49] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you are most welcome.  This is the whole point, as far as I can understand. The only thing I can do is follow you
[18:51] <charlie-tca> I am happy I can be used as an example, then. Thank you
[18:53] <hggdh> argh. Reproducible :-(
[18:55] <charlie-tca> ouch
[18:55] <charlie-tca> I could try it here if you want
[18:55] <hggdh> charlie-tca: if you could it would be nice.
[18:56] <hggdh> charlie-tca: ubuntu alternate amd64, command-line only (F4 on the initial D-I screen)
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Can do
[18:57] <hggdh> I am rebooting right now under rescue, and will reset grub to (1) take out quiet/splash; (2) raise the timeout on grub
[18:59] <hggdh> dammit. took out quiet/splash, boot completes
[18:59] <charlie-tca> heh, plymouth bug?
[19:02] <hggdh> yes, seems so. I updated grub again to have quiet splash, and I get the hang once more
[19:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:02] <hggdh> I will open a new bug now
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will do this install and try to confirm
[19:03] <hggdh> charlie-tca: plymouth?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:03] <charlie-tca> yes, removing quiet/splash makes plymouth not be run
[19:04] <hggdh> hum
[19:05] <charlie-tca> splash is provided by plymouth, so if removing splash makes it work, it should be plymouth
[19:06] <hggdh> yeah
[19:06] <hggdh> let me try some more times, just in case it is some sort of fluke (don't really trust KVM)
[19:07] <charlie-tca> okay, I am installing on hardware here
[19:11] <hggdh> heh, now I cannot repeat :-(
[19:15] <charlie-tca> It's probably scared now
[19:15] <charlie-tca> bugs don't like when someone else says they will try it too
[19:27] <hggdh> heh
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I assume my monitor shutting off is bad?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:32] <charlie-tca> wait, it came on again when I punched enough keys
[19:32] <charlie-tca> now I get a blinking cursor on F7
[19:32] <charlie-tca> but I can log in to the the other 6 TTY's
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Is that what is happening there?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> hggdh: It is booting to tty 7, which is the graphical display tty, so there is no image, then my monitor goes into suspended mode. Hitting Ctrl+Alt+F1 wakes the monitor and I can login
[19:53] <hggdh> yeah, I was just able to do so (virt-manager was not allowing me to send a ctrl-alt-[1-6] before)
[19:54] <hggdh> hum. Anyway, this might be something to look at -- if you are not installing a gaphical env, it makes no sense to have you on vt7
[19:57] <charlie-tca> but that is set in the grub command line, isn't it?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> right after quiet splash?
[20:02] <hggdh> yes, it was -- it is the default
[20:03] <hggdh> and this does not make sense, if there is no graphical term
[20:05] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I am in doubt -- what is the target for an ISO build option (in this case, disabling vt7 turnover on command-line-only installs)
[20:05] <hggdh> ?
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[20:20] <hggdh> charlie-tca: for the record, opened bug 839051
[20:20] <hggdh> against d-i
[20:21] <hggdh> jibel: there still?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:21] <hggdh> charlie-tca: if you could confirm, I would appreciate
[20:21] <charlie-tca> changing vt to 6 on grub line makes no difference here
[20:21] <charlie-tca> oops
[20:22] <charlie-tca> difference is I now can not make the video come back
[20:22] <hggdh> heh
[20:22] <hggdh> this is why taking a cat out of a bag is a problem
[20:25] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Oh, I got it to come back. Just had to wait a bit.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> confirmed the bug
[20:26] <hggdh> thank you, sir
[20:26] <charlie-tca> You are welcome, sir
[20:26] <charlie-tca> dare I ask, why do we even have such an installation option when there is a server image?
[20:27] <hggdh> well
[20:27] <hggdh> not really sure; but there is a difference between the kernels for "desktop" and server
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Seems to me that is trying to be everything for everyone, all in place.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> but if you do a command line install, you have no desktop
[20:28] <hggdh> indeed, but it is still the desktop kernel (and its options)
[20:28] <charlie-tca> in effect, you get a command line install from the server image
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I guess they are different, even if the result is the same.
[20:29] <hggdh> usually, though, I think this would only make sense to a hacker -- I want to build up a different version of X, for example, and do not want to worry about all crap that gets loaded for ours
[20:29] <hggdh> yes indeed
[20:29] <hggdh> it might be a left over
[20:30] <charlie-tca> experience says the more options you give, the more chance you have to screw it up
[20:30] <hggdh> of course :-)
[20:30] <charlie-tca> but maybe that is just me :)
[20:31] <hggdh> this is the beauty of KDE, and the bane of Gnome ;-)
[20:32] <charlie-tca> This too is true
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I guess I use Xfce because I *can* configure it my own way. I could not make gnome work my way.
[20:43] <hggdh> there is that... I myself keep jumping between them all (and usually end up with XFCE -- again, and again)
[21:28] <jibel> hggdh, pong
[21:42] <skaet> Beta 1 is now released!
[21:42] <skaet> Thank you to Alessio Grosso Sgarrillo, alo21, ameetp, AntonioAllegretti,
[21:42] <skaet> AstralJava, bambi, bennachie, bladernr, chadadavis, charlie-tca, cjwatson, cking,
[21:42] <skaet> Claudinux, cpatrick08, DomenicoRotolo, fader_, Fly82, Fo5150, FrancescoRuvolo,
[21:42] <skaet> gilir, GrueMaster, hggdh, jamespage, JanRathmann, jibel, joru, jp_Hranice,
[21:42] <skaet> kidsodateless, laenzlinger, Lance, Letozaf_, MarcoBuono, marius78, MichaelChou,
[21:42] <skaet> mike holstein, NightSilente, njin, ogra, Otus, PaoloRotolo, P-I H, pitti,
[21:42] <skaet> primes2h, RRRRube, sarhan, ScottK, Scott Lavender, sharkbait, smoser, stgraber,
[21:42] <skaet> superm1, totopalma, vadi2, valix, xdatap1 and zeedune for testing the ISOs.
[21:42] <skaet> The images would not be able to go out today without your efforts!
[21:43] <astraljava> Thank YOU, skaet!
[21:43] <astraljava> None of it would be possible without you. :)
[21:43] <chadadavis> Great! Thanks, skaet
[21:43] <joru> and thank you too
[21:43] <joru> nice to have participated for my 1st time
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Thank you for all the help, skaet
[21:44] <skaet> chadadavis,  all the folks running Ubuntu on mac's owe you and cjwatson a beer.   Much appreciate you finding that ugly!!
[21:44] <skaet> glad to have you joru.   :)
[21:44] <chadadavis> skaet, I just broke it, cjwatson fixed it :)
[21:45] <joru> skaet:  a small step for ubuntu and large step for myself =)
[21:45] <jibel> Thanks skaet !
[21:45] <jibel> And thanks to everyone who help with testing. You rock :)
[21:45] <skaet> chadadavis, knowing there's a problem before all the others feel the pain is so VERY much appreciated!
[21:47] <astraljava> The only point in testing ahead, yeah.
[21:47] <skaet> Thank you jibel for getting this all coordinated as well.  :)   You did an awesome job with this late one.   Go sleep
[21:48] <skaet> :)
[21:48] <astraljava> Well, not the only, but the most important.
[21:49] <skaet> :)
[22:21] <charlie-tca> hggdh: you need any help testing those?
[22:22] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I do not think so -- I had already ran an install with AMD64 this morning, and am running right now a full set on Jenkins
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Okay. Just wanted to make sure
[22:22] <hggdh> and the i386 here just as a smoke test
[22:22] <hggdh> so I think we are covered
[22:22] <hggdh> :-)
[22:25] <Daviey> Who wants to have a go at testing ubuntu-server beta1 candidate, last minute respin? :)


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