[00:00] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: it should be there. starts with linux ends with quiet splash
[00:00] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: just add it after quiet splash
[00:01] <adas> hitsujiTMO: if I apt-get remove rtorrent, will it remove many other programs that I also need?
[00:01] <helo_n> right now it says quiet splash $vt_handoff
[00:01] <hitsujiTMO> adas: it shouldn't
[00:01] <helo_n> after $vt_handoff?
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah one more thing, wasn't there a Hash page on the ubuntu download page?
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> where I could see the hashes for the ISO file
[00:02] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: before $vt_hanoff
[00:02] <hitsujiTMO> Lunar_Lander: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[00:02] <kostkon> adas, chances are close to zero
[00:02] <helo_n> and then F10 to boot?
[00:03] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: yups
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks hitsujiTMO
[00:03] <adas> kostkon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6636789/ I got scared of the list it showed
[00:03] <helo_n> back at the command prompt
[00:04] <kostkon> adas, it's normal. you can do sudo apt-get autoremove to get rid of them, if you don't need any of those packages
[00:04] <helo_n> btw, is there an easy way to tag someone's username in xchat?
[00:04] <adas> kostkon: ok :p
[00:05] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: as in when you say their name?
[00:05] <kostkon> helo_n, what do you mean by tag?
[00:05] <helo_n> yes, just to make it easier to include your name in my messages
[00:05] <helo_n> in some apps I can double click the user name..
[00:06] <kostkon> !tab | helo_n
[00:06] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, nice
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> OK one more thing, the download button gave me the i386 file, I got an AMD CPU, is that allright or shall I go here for the AMD version? http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[00:07] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO,  now what do we do? I'm at the command prompt.
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[00:07] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> I got the i386 file but the dropdown menu was set to 64-bit
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> that is strange
[00:08] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, no such file or folder.
[00:08] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: thats a capital X btw
[00:08] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, yeah, still no file or folder.
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah, noscript messed with the dropdown menu, no problems
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again hitsujiTMO
[00:10] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, I'm on Ubuntu 13.10 if that changes anything..
[00:11] <hitsujiTMO> helo_n: nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log               scroll to the bottom to see the error that prevented X from loading
[00:12] <jayeshcool> need help with this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6636823/ Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[00:13] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, I'm just not sure what i'm looking for here
[00:13] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, I don't really see any error
[00:16] <ni181143> !list
[00:19] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, what should I do. I don't see any error.
[00:22] <adas> hitsujiTMO: transmission looks great, how do I make it start on boot?
[00:31] <helo_n> hitsujiTMO, I removed "nvidia" from "driver=nvidia" in bumblebee.conf.. after rebooting, I'm back at the desktop, but optirun still produces "Cannot access secondary GPU"
[00:35] <andrei> I would need some help on installing apache-dev over an apache server installed via tasksel. Should I just go forwards and issue an sudo apt-get install apache-dev or is there any other procedure?
[00:36] <slicky> hi
[00:36] <slicky> is it possible to install gnome3 in ubuntu?
[00:36] <Yep> I just got an asus X502CA and I am trying to boot the UEFI but I cant none of the buttons  I try work
[00:36] <slicky> or is there a gnome3 version?
[00:37] <randomcpp> slicky, gnome-shell 2.8 is on saucy
[00:37] <randomcpp> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[00:37] <slicky> randomcpp, what is gnome-shell?
[00:38] <randomcpp> gnome 3 interface
[00:38] <slicky> oh
[00:38] <slicky> randomcpp, does it work well with ubuntu? or is it not integrated as well with it. because ubuntu used to be THE gnome distro
[00:39] <randomcpp> :/ ubuntu uses a heavily patched gnome
[00:39] <slicky> heavily patched?
[00:39] <randomcpp> if you want pure gnome 3 desktop you need to use fedora or archlinux (IMHO)
[00:40] <randomcpp> slicky, ubuntu integrates patches to make gnome components work better with unity
[00:40] <slicky> randomcpp, im trying to build a nice desktop for my mom, needs to have certain programs that work perfectly, like skype, flash, teamviewer,
[00:40] <slicky> i dont know if these things all work fine in fedora
[00:41] <slicky> i remember rpms being the biggest PITA
[00:42] <randomcpp> isn't unity ok? Unity has a more straightforward interface
[00:42] <randomcpp> gnome shell is bit sometimes
[00:44] <Guest97923> what button do i press to boot the bios
[00:44] <slicky> meh, unity is alright
[00:44] <thom_r> Guest87823: What brand of computer do you have?
[00:44] <slicky> i wish i could put window buttons on the other side
[00:44] <slicky> that bugs me to no end
[00:45] <randomcpp> slicky, install unity-tweaks
[00:45] <thom_r> Guest97932: What brand of computer do you have?
[00:45] <randomcpp> or something like that
[00:45] <randomcpp> it will solve all your problems
[00:45] <Guest97923> An asus
[00:45] <randomcpp> sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[00:45] <randomcpp> slicky, ^^^^
[00:46] <thom_r> should be F2 then
[00:46] <Guest97923> thank you
[00:46] <slicky> where do you get unity tweak tool?
[00:46] <thom_r> slicky: software center
[00:46] <randomcpp> ubuntu software center, command line, synaptic..
[00:46] <thom_r> or a terminal install
[00:47] <randomcpp> goodnight :)
[00:47] <thom_r> Guest97923: Are you doing an install?
[00:47] <helo_n> Is anyone available that can help with installing Bumblebee? I'm still getting [ERROR] Cannot access the secondary GPU whenever I run Optirun
[00:48] <Guest97923> thom_r, yeah i am getting rid of win8 and installing Ubuntu but the bios wont show up
[00:49] <thom_r> ok, on a Win8 machine you can't just shut down the OS. It actually stays in like a hibernate mode. You will need to do a hard power off. Then press F2 as soon as you turn it back on
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[00:50] <DWSR> Pretty sure you're wrong, but that's ok.
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[00:50]  * DWSR uses Windows 8 on 4 machines, and has no problems actually shutting down the box.
[00:50] <BPony> DWSR: is it actually shut off?
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[00:50] <DWSR> Yes.
[00:51] <Guest97923> it doesnt have a battery on it thom_r
[00:51] <DWSR> The things you're referring to, the fast boot nonsense, is able to be disabled.
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[00:51] <BPony> Guest97923: that doesn't matter
[00:51] <DWSR> In fact, if you've built your own rig, it doesn't work unless you specifically set it up.
[00:51] <BPony> it stores it in RAM
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[00:51] <thom_r> Guest97923: did you get it into the bios?
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[00:52] <Guest97923> not yet thom_r and okay BPony
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[00:53] <slicky> what version should i get extended support or 13.10
[00:53] <BPony> slicky: 12.04
[00:53] <BPony> no tracking shit
[00:53] <thom_r> slicky: 12.04
[00:53] <IdleOne> !language
[00:53] <slicky> does 12.04 have unity-tweaks?
[00:53] <BPony> no privacy invading tracking advertisements
[00:54] <BPony> better now?
[00:54] <thom_r> slicky: you can install it
[00:54] <slicky> wait a minute? ubuntu now has advertisement tracking?
[00:54] <BPony> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
[00:54] <BPony> slicky: read the eff post
[00:54] <BPony> my next distro is fedora
[00:54] <Guest97923> thom_r, F2 isn't working
[00:54] <BPony> because of what canonical tried to pull
[00:54] <DWSR> I switched back to Windows.
[00:55] <DWSR> Because trololol FOSS.
[00:55] <thom_r> Guest97923: try esc or F9
[00:55] <Guest97923> thom_r: ok
[00:55] <slicky> holy crap are they doing this from now on?
[00:55] <slicky> is this the future?
[00:56] <thom_r> slicky: hopefully they get rid of it, nobody is happy about it
[00:57] <thom_r> slicky: you can turn it off though
[00:57] <Guest97923> neither one of them are working
[00:57] <slicky> thats insane
[00:57] <slicky> why would they have ever thought that was a good idea
[00:57] <DWSR> slicky: Just remember, if you're not paying for the product, you ARE the product.
[00:58] <DWSR> slicky: Because money makes the world go round.
[00:58] <BPony> linux was taken over by greedy for profit companies
[00:58] <BPony> remember when linux was open source, and people worked on it out of their spare time?
[00:58] <DWSR> Yes. It's still like that on other distributions.
[00:58] <BPony> now the majority of commits to the linux kernell are employees
[00:58] <DWSR> Just that everyone flocks to Ubuntu now, so *shrug*
[00:58] <slicky> the companies have made linux not suck
[00:58] <DWSR> That's why I choose to pay for my software.
[00:58] <DWSR> anyway, peace.
[00:59] <BPony> agreed
[00:59] <slicky> i have paid for linux in the past and would do so again
[00:59] <BPony> ubuntu is going down the drain
[00:59] <BPony> i remember when I donated to canonical
[00:59] <slicky> i used to buy SuSE back in the day
[00:59] <BPony> such as mistake
[00:59] <slicky> and packaged versions of freebsd
[01:00] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot | BPony, slicky
[01:00] <jhutchins> Yet here you are, complaining in #ubuntu
[01:00] <SonikkuAmerica> The SUPPORT channel.
[01:00] <slicky> im just trying to set up a easy to maintain desktop for my technology illiterate mother without having to worry abotu viruses and spyware
[01:02] <Pricey> slicky: https://fixubuntu.com/
[01:04] <slicky> is canonical insane
[01:04] <SonikkuAmerica> slicky: While Ubuntu proper uses scopes to send information to third-parties on an opt-out basis, the !flavors don't have that capability.
[01:04] <SonikkuAmerica> !flavors
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> I use Ubuntu GNOME myself; it has most of Unity's functionality without the ad suggestions.
[01:06] <k1l> hey guys, lets stick to technical ubuntu support in here. for other topics we got #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:06] <SonikkuAmerica> (Last comment: Well, I semi-take that back, Edubuntu also has the scopes IIRC)
[01:07] <slicky> SonikkuAmerica, talking about how to disable the ads is technical discussion
[01:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, good idea guys. Actually, #ubuntu-discuss could be another place
[01:08] <k1l> SonikkuAmerica: the scopes data gets anonymized
[01:08] <thom_r> k1l: how do you know that
[01:08] <SonikkuAmerica> k1l: I thought we agreed to keep the discussion off the support channel, but thanks for the correction. :)
[01:08] <k1l> slicky: to turn the global search off is a real no-brainer. just take a look at the privace settings in the system settings
[01:09] <k1l> thom_r: i stick to facts and not rumors. thats it
[01:10] <thom_r> k1l: I'm looking for a source. I had not heard one way or another what they do.
[01:11] <BPony> but canonical knows what files you have
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[01:15] <thom_r> Nobody cares about bitcoin here, go away
[01:15] <pvl1> is there a graphical editor to set x resource files
[01:15] <BPony> k1l: what is that screenshot?
[01:15] <BPony> looks like a cool theme I want it
[01:19] <LvMises> I need some help!  I'm trying to install Eve Online via Wine in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.  I'm following: http://www.olympicsoftworks.org/index.php/20-uncategorised/geeky-things/20-eve-online-in-ubuntu-12-04?showall=&start=5  these directions.  I got to the last step and I'
[01:19] <LvMises> I'm not sure what's happening.
[01:20] <chaotix> hello...  i am trying to create a menu entry for a game that is a project 64 rom...  i can not get it to properly open, which means i must be wording the command in the ".desktop" file wqrong...  i was under the assumption that it would be:
[01:21] <chaotix> wine "path to project 64" path to rom
[01:21] <chaotix> can someone help me please?
[01:21] <daftykins> try #winehq
[01:21] <Krenair> I completely broke my system. How do you uninstall the AMD Catalyst drivers? from a root shell recovery prompt, without any package or the original install script...
[01:21] <LvMises> Thanks
[01:22] <daftykins> Krenair: it would've probably installed the uninstaller
[01:22] <chaotix> oops
[01:22] <chaotix> actually i got it now
[01:22] <chaotix> it is:  wine "path to project 64" 'path to rom'
[01:22] <chaotix> i tried every other combination but that one does work
[01:23] <chaotix> merry christmas, and happy hollidays
[01:23] <chaotix> holidays
[01:24] <pvl1> Krenair: did you download them from ati's website
[01:24] <Krenair> daftykins, hm, an askubuntu answer does mention that, will try in a moment...
[01:24] <Krenair> pvl1, yes
[01:25] <SuperHeroINTJ> Hello my friends. I`ve just got a fresh new notebook as christimas gift. It has a very slow Celeron processor. I wonder if installing Ubuntu on it might be a good idea.
[01:26] <pvl1> Krenair: sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[01:26] <pvl1> Krenair: wait not htat one
[01:26] <Krenair> admittedly, there was an option to have it make packages and install those. I should have gone with that
[01:26] <Krenair> pvl1, not that one? okay...
[01:27] <Zadir> I have a celeron an intel NUC eith a celeron and it is pretty usable
[01:31] <pvl1> Krenair: you should be able to apt-get purge the packages... however there might also be an uninstall script in the /usr/share/ati dir
[01:34] <Krenair> pvl1, okay so I ran the script and I can now boot the system and log in...
[01:36] <Krenair> so now I'm back to how it was before I installed that driver - unity is seemingly missing
[01:37] <Krenair> my programs begin to start up, but no sidebar, no titles on windows, etc.
[01:39] <Krenair> random popup from nowhere: "Your display manager log files may help developers diagnose the bug, but may contain sensitive information such as your hostname. Do you want to include these logs in your bug report?"
[01:39] <Krenair> uh, well, maybe I would if it showed exactly what I was submitting...
[01:40] <Krenair> might have come up after I closed a crash report dialog actually...
[01:40] <SuperHeroINTJ> zadir, can you play Dota 2 on it?
[01:48] <pvl1> Krenair you probably need to reconfigure xorg. What version of ubuntu r u on
[01:49] <Krenair> 13.04
[01:59] <ubuntu-studio> Hello
[02:00] <wiredmessiah> im having an issue running the web setup of media wiki on ubuntu 13.10... i get "Your session data was lost! Check your php.ini and make sure session.save_path is set to an appropriate directory."
[02:00] <wiredmessiah> I've tried everything and google is not helping me
[02:00] <wiredmessiah> anyone have this issue before?
[02:01] <Krenair> wiredmessiah, google shows a few people have.
[02:01] <wiredmessiah> yah
[02:01] <Krenair> wiredmessiah, what version of mediawiki is this?
[02:01] <wiredmessiah> 1.22.0
[02:02] <wiredmessiah> i see session files being created in the session path
[02:02] <ROPA> ropa
[02:03] <Krenair> wiredmessiah, what PHP version?
[02:03] <wiredmessiah> 5.5.3
[02:04] <wiredmessiah> PHP 5.5.3-1ubuntu2.1 to be exact
[02:08] <Krenair> pvl1, hm, now I installed fglrx but still it seems unity is missing
[02:08] <Krenair> windows have titles now, but the unity sidebar is missing...
[02:12] <wiredmessiah> Krenair did you find anything or were you just curious?
[02:13] <Krenair> wiredmessiah, some old 2006/2007 mailing list references to particular PHP versions not working
[02:13] <Krenair> your one should be fine, though I swear I've seen that error before
[02:14] <Krenair> not using memcache are you wiredmessiah?
[02:14] <wiredmessiah> hmm lemme see
[02:15] <wiredmessiah> no def not
[02:15] <pvl1> Krenair: says who
[02:16] <Krenair> pvl1, pardon?
[02:16] <wiredmessiah> should i try one of the newer releases of mediawiki?
[02:17] <Krenair> you have the latest, it should be OK
[02:17] <wiredmessiah> argh hehe
[02:17] <pvl1> Krenair: what makes you think unity is missing
[02:17] <goaw> hello, I just upgraded my system to 12.10 & the upgrade caused a malfunction in the usage of the language tools. Furthermore I'm now not able to login to my primary user login
[02:18] <goaw> :)
[02:18] <Krenair> pvl1, a distinct lack of the unity sidebar thing
[02:20] <pvl1> Krenair: alt F2 should bring up the run widget, and run unity there
[02:23] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, back up and running, everything is almost back to normal
[02:23] <ItsMeLenny> just a few more programs to install
[02:24] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, but one thing, my network is "unmanaged"
[02:24] <Krenair> pvl1, this is what I mean by unity being missing, btw: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10971457/Screenshot%20from%202013-12-26%2002%3A20%3A05.png
[02:24] <Krenair> pvl1, alt+f2 does nothing and the 'unity' command... well the result of that is in the screenshot
[02:24] <h0rrorvacui> I have a upstart script that I messed up the expect stanza and I can't get it to stop and hope to avoid restarting the server. Is there a way?
[02:27] <pvl1> Krenair: Krenair do you have sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:27] <goaw> be right back, I will try login again
[02:27] <Krenair> pvl1, yes
[02:28] <Krenair> pvl1, shall I switch to using that under additional drivers?
[02:29] <pvl1> Krenair: im not so sure thats where the change occurs. u might need to reconfigure xorg. also confirm that the module is loaded in lsmod
[02:30] <Krenair> pvl1, check that fglrx is loaded in lsmod? yep it's there
[02:31] <Krenair> fglrxinfo shows some info as well
[02:31] <Krenair> how do I reconfigure xorg?
[02:33] <pvl1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:33] <Quark__> you can always try: >sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[02:33] <pvl1> check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for stuff
[02:34] <pvl1> actually you can do
[02:34] <pvl1> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.lorg | grep EE
[02:34] <goaw> does anybody have the reference to altering the password for an admin account posteri upgrading to 12.10?
[02:35] <kostkon> !pwreset | goaw
[02:36] <goaw> gracias ubottu!!
[02:40] <Krenair> pvl1, like this error? (EE) Failed t oload module "fglrxx" (module does not exist, 0)
[02:51] <neurotus> wtf
[02:54] <OerHeks> why so many clones funkyHa funkyhat 1-23
[02:55] <j4n6> How can i remap caps to ctrl but for all keyboard layouts at once? 13.10 so no option for it in the keyboard settings anymore
[02:56] <ItsMeLenny> where do settings like; export WINEARCH=win32, go?
[02:57] <bazhang> ItsMeLenny, try #winehq
[02:59] <wiredmessiah> i still can't get mediawiki running... ive tried everything i can think of :(
[03:00] <ItsMeLenny> bazhang, yeah i just thought it was a system thing, but i will
[03:03] <j4n6> ItsMeLenny : export makes a variable for your shell. thats brief, u can google it if u want to know more
[03:03] <ItsMeLenny> j4n6, ohhhhhhhhhhhh, that makes a hell of a lot more sense
[03:21] <wiredmessiah> son of a bitch i figured out the mediawiki problem
[03:21] <bazhang> no cursing here please wiredmessiah
[03:21] <wiredmessiah> the b word is a curse?
[03:21] <bazhang> yes
[03:22] <wiredmessiah> ok sorry ive always gone by the policy of if they can say it on network television its not really a curse :)
[03:22] <SchrodingersScat> wiredmessiah: this is the internet, they don't let just anyone on this thing.
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> unless you're actually talking about dogs it is
[03:23] <wiredmessiah> anyways if anyone is curious, one of the other server admins had set the session.cookie_domain value to one of the other virtual hosts
[03:23] <wiredmessiah> if i remove that directive from the php.ini the problem goes away
[03:27] <luminous> hello! when you install openssh-server, why oh why is fuse a requirement? https://dpaste.de/2D7p
[03:27] <jayar> i added a standard user account, selected "auto-login" and now i can't access my admin account
[03:27] <hitsujiTMO> wiredmessiah: will that not break other virtualhosts?
[03:33] <luc__> hi all
[03:33] <luc__> is true ubuntu is under NSA rules???
[03:33] <xmetal> oh good grief
[03:34] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | luc__ and no canonical are not an americancompany
[03:34] <luc__> microsoft and apple are
[03:34] <luc__> ok ok ok
[03:35] <jayar> i created a standard account with auto login, and now can't login as my main admin account...
[03:35] <Beldar> jayar, If the login is your goal, http://askubuntu.com/questions/180628/how-can-i-logout-from-the-gui-using-cli
[03:35] <hitsujiTMO> jayar: reboot to recover mode and remove the autologin
[03:36] <jayar> i removed the other account with deluser
[03:36] <hitsujiTMO> Beldar: that would just log him back in again tho
[03:36] <Beldar> hitsujiTMO, There are a number of commands
[03:37] <jayar> it just boots to a blank screen, so i go alt+f1, and login to my admin, then i go startx, and the gui loads, but i cant change anything as admin
[03:38] <hitsujiTMO> jayar: why can't you change anything as admin?
[03:38] <jayar> awesome question...
[03:38] <hitsujiTMO> jayar: whats the output og
[03:38] <jayar> when i goto system settings / users, i can't "unlock" it, and its not my regular screen
[03:38] <hitsujiTMO> jayar: whats the output of: groups
[03:39] <wiredmessiah> hitsujiTMO: removing the directive causes the cookie to be created by the domain that created it so the others "should" be fine :)
[03:39] <jayar> jayar adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[03:40] <hitsujiTMO> wiredmessiah: unless you want multiple subdomains to share the same sessions
[03:40] <jayar> i'm not authorized to view any drives either...
[03:42] <jayar> somehow i'm logged into a dif/standard account?
[03:43] <hitsujiTMO> jayar: that seems to be ok. from the terminal go: sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf        remove the autologin entry from there
[03:43] <jayar> k
[03:44] <jayar> ahhhh thats where that is :)
[03:44] <jayar> brb
[03:47] <luc__> how can i turn to a ubuntu developer ? ?
[03:48] <SchrodingersScat> !dev | luc__
[03:51] <ItsMeLenny> SchrodingersScat, does that require putting 2 girls with 1 cup in a room?
[03:52] <SchrodingersScat> ItsMeLenny: be-bop skiddity do
[03:52] <ItsMeLenny> ohh, that kind of scat
[03:53] <blognewb> poo
[03:57] <zhongfu> does anyone have any idea why my Apple earpiece w/ mic's input loop back into output
[03:57] <jayar> yea that didnt work
[03:58] <jayar> it just stops at boot and i have to alt+f1 to get to a terminal to do anything
[03:58] <jayar> then when i startx it loads some standard account
[04:01] <jayar> askin me for password to unlock my keyring, blah blah blah...
[04:03] <nearst> hello people :)
[04:07] <jayar> bah i'm totally screwed :(
[04:07] <kkkkk> hi all, i am having a problem with mobile broadband, i want to use my mobile to connect to internet in ubuntu, i use a data cable for that,  ubuntu detects it , but when i try to connect it, it connects first, then it disconnects in few seconds , using 2-3 Kb data, and connection name that used to appear in the list, disappears, i have to restart both phone and laptop to  appear it again, i am using ubuntu 12.04 64 bit,(3.8) this issue is not there in ubuntu 12.0
[04:07] <ali33> Hi everybody
[04:07] <ali33> I using Xubuntu
[04:09] <kkkkk> i have bot 32 bit and 64 bit version, 64 bit have lattest kernel but it is not working up to the mark, 32 bit is working quite good though, as i have 64 bit capable hardware, that's why i installed 64 bit version as well,
[04:10] <nearst> what is 64bit capable hardware ? :)
[04:11] <kkkkk> what could be the problem, when same mobile is working well in windows and 32 bit, it could be a problem with kernel i think, there is new version available of kernel, but i want to downgrade it to my 32 bit version, is it possible to do that, 12.04.3 is not upto the mark
[04:11] <zipace> nearst: any modern desktop CPU will likely be 64bit compatible
[04:12] <zipace> nearst: i think that you actually meant something entirely different, no?
[04:12] <nearst> zipace, aha. nothing. merry xmas to all :)
[04:13] <zipace> nearst: you too :-p
[04:13] <kkkkk> zipace: ^^
[04:14] <zipace> kkkkk: is it a separate machine? if so, try to connect, then paste the output of 'dmesg | tail -n50' AFTER it disconnected to paste.ubuntu.com, or some other pastebin
[04:14] <nearst> kkkkk, u should look at dmesg for the problem.
[04:14] <kkkkk> no, this is same machine, with different version installed
[04:15] <zipace> kkkkk: well, if it's possible to do that it'd help tremendously, seeing as how network manager usually prints stuff to syslog
[04:15] <kkkkk> i need to install  some packages to 64 bit like wine, virtualbox, codecs etc
[04:16] <kkkkk> i want read the log file
[04:16] <nearst> kkkkk, try look for this solution. http://hustoknow.blogspot.com/2012/12/upgrading-networkmanager-and.html
[04:17] <kkkkk> i can read the log file and this can be done, i can paste whole output of my login session, i know at what time i loginned there, and upto shutdown, all messages will be there in log file
[04:17] <kkkkk> should i paster kernel.log file
[04:18] <gx> i'm trying to figure out how to use upstart to run a php script every 30 seconds that runs an operation on my database. can't find any good examples... anyone around that can point me in the right direction?
[04:18] <zipace> kkkkk: dmesg will do
[04:19] <zipace> gx: are you sure you don't want cronjobs instead?
[04:19] <zipace> gx: and there are plenty examples for cronjobs lying on the internet
[04:19] <gx> zipace, yes. i need it to run actually quicker than 30 seconds, and i only want one thread running at a time
[04:19] <gx> just using 30s as an example
[04:19] <kkkkk> zipace, but now i am connected with 32 bit version and 64 bit version is creating problems to me
[04:19] <nearst> gx, cronjob doin well for that purpose
[04:20] <kkkkk> zipace: copied dmesg output from 64 bit is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6637539/
[04:20] <gx> i could create a script that runs a process every 20 seconds, yes... and then run it on a cron every minute, but that doesnt seem very elegant imho
[04:20] <zipace> gx: that seems like a silly idea. why do you need it to run "faster" than cronjob (whatever you actually mean by that), and why only one thread? at least the latter is usually handled by the application, not by upstart or cron
[04:21] <gx> i'm updating some data from an API and i need it to run every 10 seconds or so. every once and awhile, it'll take longer than 10s to grab the data, and i don't want another process to start until the last one is finished
[04:21] <zipace> kkkkk: let's clarify something here: you're running 64bit ubuntu, but with 32bit drivers, or something like that?
[04:21] <gx> as i understand it, that's the definition of a daemon
[04:22] <zipace> gx: write your PHP scripts to handle errors better.... ;-)
[04:22] <gx> great advice, thanks
[04:23] <zipace> gx: seriously though, cron will do just fine, you really need to handle errors better if you're stuck with that kind of problem
[04:23] <kkkkk> zipace: no i have both 32 bit and 64 bit ubuntu installed on same machine, right now i am on 32 bit machine, mobile broadband is working here, while not working in 64 bit version and  this is the only source of internet to me
[04:23] <Brispere> hello
[04:24] <kkkkk> so, to connect to community, i have to boot back to 32 bit version while problem is with 64 bit ubuntu 12.04.3
[04:24] <Brispere> I was just wondering if I install ubuntu and replace windows on my laptop, will the internal trackpad and camera still work?
[04:24] <nearst> Brispere, sure.
[04:24] <kkkkk> Brispere: try with live cd, if everything works okay, then you can install
[04:24] <zipace> kkkkk: is your wlan adapter/receiver external or internal? is it USB, by any chance?
[04:25] <gx> zipace, i have to run about 10 scripts concurrently, every few seconds... i could either write a bunch of controller scripts that last 59s and trigger the sub-scripts every few seconds and then put it into cron, or i could create a daemon for each and get special stuff like logging, status updates, etc
[04:25] <zipace> Brispere: try LiveCD first in cases like that
[04:25] <kkkkk> zipace: i am using data cable to mobile , using phone as a modem
[04:25] <zipace> !livecd | Brispere
[04:26] <Brispere> alright
[04:26] <nearst> kkkkk, why not u make a wifi hotspot with your samsung rather connect using usb cable :)
[04:26] <zipace> kkkkk: whoa jesus, i didn't think people actually did that
[04:26] <kkkkk> nearst: this phone doesn't have a wifi
[04:27] <kkkkk> also, ubuntu is very bad when it comes to wireless, my broadcom 4313 wireless doesn't work like charm with ubuntu
[04:27] <Brispere> Also, would you guys recommend installing the plasma 2 desktop yet or stick with plasma one
[04:27] <zipace> kkkkk: that's not ubuntu's fault, though
[04:27] <nearst> kkkkk, so u using ppp ?
[04:27] <kkkkk> less signal detection, less internet speed, disabled ipv6 n all those things, i could do
[04:27] <kkkkk> but no luck
[04:28] <zipace> Brispere: plasma2 is alpha, no? you might want to try it out in a virtual, or separate installation
[04:28] <Brispere> alright
[04:28] <nearst> kkkkk, http://www.techytalk.info/manage-gsm-mobile-broadband-connections-without-network-manager-ubuntu-mint-debian/
[04:28] <zipace> kkkkk: none of those issues are caused by ubuntu
[04:28] <zipace> kkkkk: speaking from experience here
[04:28] <kkkkk> nearst: now, i am using same mobile with data cable plugged in USB port and it is working  well on 32 bit, so problem is with 64 bit , neither with mobile, nor with data cable
[04:29] <zipace> i used to have one of those propietary dongles that were designed for windows, and even though the vendor removed linux support years ago, I still got it to work (yay me, i guess)
[04:30] <kkkkk> let me see, zipace, but should i upgrade network manager and modem-manager, earlier link given by one of you
[04:30] <nearst> its a package which u need to upgrade . :)
[04:30] <zipace> kkkkk: i gave you no links, nearst did, besides, upgrading isn't necessarily going to solve the issue
[04:30] <nearst> unless ure familiar with AT command
[04:31] <zipace> kkkkk: it might be a driver problem, or a flaky USB cable, or simply a shitty connection
[04:31] <kkkkk> zipace: NO, same mobile, same cable, same provider work well in Windows and ubuntu 32 bit, so this argument is invalid
[04:32] <zipace> kkkkk: then... it might still be a driver problem
[04:33] <kkkkk> yes, buggy drivers, i have used ubuntu 11.10 64 bit earlier, no problem at all, but new version actually made thing worse
[04:33] <kkkkk> even LTS did thing like that
[04:34] <energizer> ive got some questions about Linksys Range Extender -- not sure where to ask. any ideas?
[04:34] <zipace> kkkkk: well, i'm stumped. you migh still have some luck asking on http://askubuntu.com/
[04:34] <zipace> !ask | energizer
[04:35] <kkkkk> we can expect things like that in beta versions or versions that are not LTS, also 12.04.3 should rectify those problems, which are occuring with many users, these are necessary things, most of users in India connect to internet using mobile broadband, either dongle or data cable,
[04:35] <nearst> be right back
[04:35] <energizer> zipace: Well, it's sorta a catch 22, isn't it. If I'd just asked, someone else would've said "Sir, this isn't a networking channel." haha
[04:36] <zipace> kkkkk: don't lose your cool, like i said, it could still just be a driver problem
[04:36] <kkkkk> zipace: let me ask at askubuntu.com
[04:36] <zipace> energizer: hence why you should just ask ;-) if someone knows they'll let you know
[04:37] <energizer> Anyway I'm trying to assign a static IP to my computer, but it won't take. (Supposed to have <IP_ADDRESS>, but it's got <IP_ADDRESS> instead for no obvious reason.)
[04:37] <kkkkk> zipace: things should work out of the box, most of people like stability over polished effects
[04:37] <energizer> I have a range extender that im connected to, and i think that might be causing some complications
[04:38] <kkkkk> things that were already working, should work in newer version, instead of regressions
[04:38] <kkkkk> backward compatibility :D
[04:38] <zipace> energizer: quick google yielded this: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux-basics-set-a-static-ip-on-ubuntu - can't say if it works for you, though
[04:38] <energizer> thanks for the tip zipace
[04:40] <zipace> kkkkk: like i said, you might want to try asking on http://askubuntu.com/, but make sure to include as much potentially useful information as possible
[04:41] <zipace> energizer: no problem, and feel free to ask away if it doesn't work
[04:41] <Runemoro> Hello, could anyone help me fix a problem I'm having on my ubuntu server?
[04:41] <zipace> !ask | Runemoro
[04:42] <Firefishe> what will this LVM proposal yield me?
[04:42] <Runemoro> zipace: Whenever I download a file, the download starts at a slow speed, and then increases constantly up to 100mbps
[04:42] <Firefishe> www.pastebin.ca/2517809
[04:43] <energizer> zipace: I'm very new to all this. It was my understanding that the way to set a static ip is by assigning an ip to a mac *on the router interface*. this page seems to suggest that settings in ubuntu are the way to go. I just want to make sure that it's got the same goal in mind
[04:43] <zipace> zipace: just ask in the channel - i'm just a lowly unpaid user around here ;-)
[04:44] <energizer> lol zipace
[04:45] <zipace> energizer: that may depend on how your router is configured, if you use the wrong configuration on your router, the router might become inaccessible, AND you need to tell Linux that it shouldn't use DHCP for network discovery, in other words, static IPs need to work both ways, and of course, need to be set up on both ends
[04:46] <blaczyckowski> Hi guys, I need some help regarding setting up aircrack on bcm 43xx card. I'm currently running precise, and the error i keep getting is " ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device". ANy help?
[04:46] <energizer> zipace: oh, that's a key piece i was missing. i thought i could do it only on the router. I've got to do it both on the router *and* on the computer?
[04:47] <zipace> blaczyckowski: is it your own card, though? >:-)
[04:47] <zipace> energizer: ayup
[04:47] <blaczyckowski> Yes. ;)
[04:48] <blaczyckowski> zipace: I've heard that bcm cards have been causing much shit for aircracking.
[04:50] <Xen0n> hey
[04:50] <blaczyckowski> Xen0n: Merry Christmas!
[04:50] <energizer> Xen0n: hey
[04:50] <rogue5> Hey
[04:51] <zipace> blaczyckowski: that i have no idea about, but "no such device" usually implies that the(?) device couldn't be discovered. for example, many programs that operate directly on devices have default values for eth0, the default device for cable. some programs might allow you to override those defaults to select a different device, such as wlan0
[04:51] <zipace> blaczyckowski: that's my best guess here, for that matter
[04:52] <blaczyckowski> zipace: So, the problem is not with BCM?
[04:52] <blaczyckowski> zipace: Is installing BackTrack going to do any good with my card?
[04:53] <zipace> blaczyckowski: like i said, i have no idea, networking isn't my strongest suit :-(
[04:54] <gry> Linux kernels usually have the same drivers regardless of distro. Ubuntu packages proprietary drivers in addition to that.
[04:54] <blaczyckowski> zipace: Cheers, mate. Thanks for your help.
[04:54] <zipace> blaczyckowski: you're welcome
[04:55] <blaczyckowski> Guess, i have to check the backtrack wiki now. Time to RTFM!
[04:56] <shreezbot> Have any of you guys been able to connect to crashplan on your homeserver from another machine?
[04:57] <shreezbot> I've followed the instructions on the code42 site and the client on my Windows box still says it can't connect to crashplan on my ubuntu box...
[04:57] <shreezbot> Looking for any tips on troubleshooting the connection failure...
[04:57] <energizer> if i just used dhcp, should't the the router/extender just assign me the specified ip from the router interface? (zipace)
[05:00] <blaczyckowski> Good bye guys, merry christmas!
[05:00] <thom_r> see ya
[05:00] <rogue5> Later
[05:06] <m0dest> hey is there a good reason why Ubuntu doesn't automatically delete old kernels?  I am perpetually running out of space on /boot
[05:09] <SuperLag> m0dest: why have /boot on a separate partition?
[05:09] <SuperLag> m0dest: That, and a situation might happen where you're VERY glad you have one of those old kernels around
[05:10] <m0dest> SuperLag: encrypted root
[05:11] <SuperLag> m0dest: I'm no expert... but write a script to delete all but the latest 2-3 kernels and run update-grub?
[05:11] <SuperLag> m0dest: put that script in a cron job to run every so often
[05:12] <m0dest> to answer my own question, it looks like i can just run `apt-get autoremove` periodically
[05:12] <m0dest> via cron or whatever
[05:13] <m0dest> i use unattended-upgrades, it's a shame that it doesn't do that by default
[05:29] <Abhijit> hi. i get duplicate sources list error when i do apt-get update. but when i open the source.lst in text editor i can not find any duplicate entry? help
[05:29] <Abhijit> 12.04
[05:33] <cem_> hi all
[05:33] <cem_> is there anybody playing mud?
[05:34] <cem_> i never ever played mud but i wanna give a try wit gnome mud
[05:34] <chad_> hello
[05:35] <chad_> I was wondering if anyone has advice on getting A+ certifiaction?
[05:35] <chad_> I have never worked in IT but have learned alot and would like to do free tests and study for it
[05:37] <Gere> Hello guys I need your help,I am using ubuntu 12.04 "Couln't update ICEauthoriy/home/username /ICEauthority is display when I try to login how can solve this problem?
[05:37] <codyduncan> Hey friends.  Fresh install, not my first.  I need some help dealing with some tricky unmet dependencies for grive-tools.
[05:38] <chad_> I was wondering if anyone has advice on getting A+ certifiaction?
 I have never worked in IT but have learned alot and would like to do free tests and study for it
[05:38] <chad_> its pretty dead in here for help
[05:38] <chad_> ive been in 10 mins have not seen anyone
[05:38] <dougbb> chad, maybe that's because a+ certification isn't on-topic? :)
[05:39] <chad_> yeah i get that
[05:39] <chad_> its still relevant to computers lol
[05:39] <codyduncan> Slow or not, irc hasn't failed me yet.
[05:40] <codyduncan> Though it has been a while since I have been around here.
[05:40] <chad_> yeah i hear that
[05:40] <chad_> i logged in for first time in 8 years the other day
[05:40] <chad_> used to use Mirc back when i had ICQ :S
[05:41] <chad_> someone helped me edit my fstab here the other day
[05:41] <chad_> could not figure that out
[05:43] <chad_> gui apply
[05:43] <chad_> GUI SHOW
[05:43] <codyduncan> It just occurred to me, though, this is Christmas.  I suspect people have other stuff going on.
[05:43] <chad_> yeah thats probably true
[05:44]  * chad_ hits head DUH!
[05:50] <kristen> hi
[05:51] <SuperLag> and... he's gone
[05:54] <Abhijit> hi. i get duplicate sources list error when i do apt-get update. but when i open the source.lst in text editor i can not find any duplicate entry? help
[05:55] <Abhijit> also getting this error while installing updates http://paste.ubuntu.com/6637885/
[05:59] <ramborocks> hello?
[05:59] <kristen> ramborocks hi
[06:00] <ramborocks> hi
[06:00] <ramborocks> just checking to see if this works been going to random channals and servers all empty
[06:01] <nearzt> hello
[06:01] <ramborocks> i did something and now it wont show who here on the right side any quick fix?
[06:02] <dougbb> ramborocks: this isn't a chat channel, you should go to the support channel for your IRC client
[06:03] <ramborocks> what is this channel for then?
[06:04] <ramborocks> ive got ubuntu questions too . I cant get my external HD to give correct permissions to allow it to be shared with my plex media server
[06:05] <dougbb> Abhijit: try this:  sudo apt-get clean
[06:05] <dougbb> sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists /var/lib/apt/lists.old
[06:05] <dougbb> sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[06:05] <dougbb> sudo apt-get clean
[06:05] <dougbb> sudo apt-get update
[06:05] <FloodBot1> dougbb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:08] <ramborocks> ok
[06:08] <Abhijit> dougbb, what does the partial directory do?
[06:08] <dougbb> It just recreates the path for the list files
[06:09] <dougbb> IIRC partial is where they get downloaded
[06:09] <Abhijit> okey.
[06:09] <SmashStack> anybody know how to attach a picture to an MP3 file's APIC frame using the id3v2 tool?
[06:10] <SmashStack> I can't figure out what parameters I need to give it for it to attach correctly
[06:11] <ramborocks> sorry smash
[06:11] <ramborocks> when would anyone need todo that?
[06:11] <oaky> SmashStack: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1353213
[06:12] <SmashStack> a script converting to MP3 from FLAC. I don't want to bother manually attaching a cover image
[06:13] <SmashStack> if it's read only why can I use it to remove an image?
[06:15] <SmashStack> I'll look through the code a bit, I guess. thanks, oaky
[06:16] <ramborocks> goodluck
[06:16] <SmashStack> thanks ramborocks
[06:22] <ramborocks> anyone got good recommendations to nvidia drivers on ubuntu
[06:22] <ramborocks> im trying to get my games to run a little better
[06:22] <dougbb> what are you using now?
[06:23] <SmashStack> ramborocks: you mean free vs. proprietary?
[06:26] <ramborocks> i have a geforce gtx 560/pcie sse2
[06:26] <duoi> hi
[06:26] <ramborocks> had to look it up
[06:26] <dougbb> ramborocks: what *drivers* are you using now?
[06:26] <duoi> if i install ubuntu on ARM architecture, would i run into issues when trying to install software?
[06:27] <ramborocks> is there a quick way to check that?
[06:27] <ramborocks> like a command?
[06:28] <dougbb> duoi: the package repos are divided up by architecture, so if you see something available for your arch, you shouldn't have a problem
[06:29] <dougbb> ramborocks: grep -i nv /var/log/Xorg.0
[06:29] <dougbb> If you see Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" you're already using the nvidia driver
[06:30] <dougbb> If you see references to nouveau, you're using that one
[06:31] <ramborocks> how can i check doug?
[06:32] <dougbb> ramborocks: I just pasted the command
[06:32] <duoi> dougbb, is there a large offering for ARM devices? do i have reason to believe mainstream web browsers, wine, teamviewer etc would work?
[06:33] <dougbb> duoi: you'd have to browse the repos to answer that question, I have no idea
[06:33] <dougbb> ... or you could just try installing it and see what happens :)
[06:34] <dougbb> if you're going to install something anyway, installing ubuntu to try it out isn't that much extra effort
[06:35] <llutz> duoi: there is #ubuntu-arm , you may get more arm-related info there
[06:37] <duoi> dougbb, im doing the research before i go out and purchase the device :p
[06:37] <dougbb> ah, that's a different story
[06:37] <dougbb> the #ubuntu-arm channel could help you more then
[06:38] <ramborocks> ok doug
[06:38] <ramborocks> looks like i got official nvida drivers
[06:38] <dougbb> ramborocks: then you're done
[06:39] <ramborocks> are those  the ones you would recommend for using on wine to play games that run slower / choppy
[06:40] <dougbb> they're the best you're going to get
[06:41] <dougbb> geforce cards are Ok, but they're not big performers to start with ... but with a windows game in wine you're already a couple layers deep ... cpu and ram are going to be big factors as well
[06:42] <DAL|Desktop> Is there anything I should do in 12.04.3 before moving my HDD to a new system?
[06:43] <SaberX01> Nothing is going to perform well using Wine .. it's like cutting your system resources in half going through Wine.
[06:43] <dougbb> DAL|Desktop: are you going to be using it as a system drive, or is it just data?
[06:43] <ramborocks> oh man thats not good news: (
[06:44] <SaberX01> DAL|Desktop, have a full backup of /home is always a good plan.
[06:44] <DAL|Desktop> dougbb, system drive
[06:44] <llutz> DAL|Desktop: you might find your old eth0 as eth1 in the new system, if MAC changed. be prepared
[06:44] <dougbb> DAL|Desktop: that's probably not a good idea .... you're better off to back up your data and reinstall
[06:44] <llutz> s/old//
[06:45] <dougbb> there is a lot of configuration that happens at install time depending on the hardware, it's not easy to ferret it all out
[06:45] <DAL|Desktop> llutz, or I might be lucky and it won't load the NIC drivers again until I reboot
[06:45] <dougbb> (really you should back up the data anyway, but that's another topic)
[06:45] <llutz> DAL|Desktop: not a driver issue, it's an udev-rule
[06:46] <llutz> DAL|Desktop: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[06:46] <dougbb> well you can just delete that file before you move the disk, it will get recreated .... moving a system disk is still not a good idea
[06:46] <DAL|Desktop> llutz, Hmm? I was just about to throw things last time I booted after a kernel update. I modprobed the driver and then ifconfig refused to see the NIC
[06:47] <Lucid_Lynx> How do i list the information on a process knowing its id ?
[06:48] <llutz> Lucid_Lynx: ps -p <pid>
[06:48] <badboi> Hi there guys. Quick question: when adding users to my server (adduser), they can read all the data in /home directory of other users. Is this normal? Can it be disabled ?
[06:48] <llutz> badboi: chmod homes 700 to avoid that
[06:48] <Lucid_Lynx> llutz, thank you, pal..
[06:48] <badboi> It seemed kinda silly/weird to me that these are default rights
[06:48] <badboi> thanks for you answer llutz
[06:49] <llutz> badboi: those are silly defaults
[06:49] <dougbb> badboi: users have the ability to make directories private if they want to
[06:49] <badboi> i see..
[06:49] <dougbb> but "back in the day" sharing resources between users was the norm, and helped to avoid duplication of data when disk space was very expensive/precious
[06:50] <badboi> default of home is 755 i see
[06:50] <llutz> dougbb: wven "back in those days" there was no reason to give anyone access to a users home
[06:51] <dougbb> llutz: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one
[06:51] <llutz> dougbb: bind-mount exists since ages, symlinks do aswell
[06:51] <badboi> i did a chmod 700 on the /home dir
[06:51] <badboi> however, now i get the following if i "cd" as a logged in user
[06:51] <llutz> badboi: not on /home but on $HOME
[06:51] <dougbb> badboi: you should also do that on the individual directories in /home
[06:52] <dougbb> you should not do that on /home itself
[06:52] <guest47230> hi. i am trying to install a wifi driver. I have no idea how to do this. any help will be much appreciated.
[06:52] <badboi> oh i have to do this for every user i add seperately ?
[06:52] <dougbb> badboi: yes ... in theory you should be able to edit the default directory permissions
[06:53] <badboi> default directory permissions are maybe in the skeleton for new users ?
[06:53] <dougbb> badboi: /etc/adduser.conf looks promising
[06:53] <badboi> DIR_MODE=0755
[06:53] <A_J_> I'm planning on doing a fresh install of Ubuntu and was wondering what folders do I need to back up to make a back of of Deluge so that I don't have to lose my active seeding torrents?
[06:55] <badboi> dougbb: that did the trick
[06:56] <badboi> thanks all of you for your responses ^_^
[06:56] <dougbb> excellent :)
[06:56] <dougbb> A_J_: do you have the original torrent files?
[06:57] <Guest59426> Wifi Driver just need network-Manager and Network-Manager-Gnome if you are using Ubuntu
[06:57] <Quark__> One thing to keep in mind is that directories have to be executable to view the contents, chmod +x, but making all files executable is a security risk (some would say mild, other would say severe)  So you should set them differently:
[06:58] <badboi> Quark__: directed to me ?
[06:58] <Quark__> > find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} ; find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {}
[06:58] <ramborocks> why do people dislike unity?
[06:58] <Guest59426> I like Unity, its just lacking some user control
[06:58] <llutz> Quark__: chmod 700 $HOME sets +x on the dir only, no files affected at all. same for DIR-MODE
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: because they might be still used to gnome
[06:58] <dougbb> Quark__: you're answering a question no one is asking :)
[06:58] <Guest59426> Viewing my comics from the UNity screen is nice
[06:59] <A_J_> dougbb no. they are all added into deluge close to 500 of them
[06:59] <ramborocks> hmm
[06:59] <ramborocks> its been so long +5 years since i used kde / gnome
[06:59] <dougbb> A_J_: d'oh!   Look in ~/.config ... it's probably in there
[07:00] <Quark__> Could be, thats what I get for surfing #ubuntu late at night it seems.
[07:00] <A_J_> dougbb so just copy it. and put them in my new setup ?
[07:00] <slicky> hi
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> for some machines unity doesnt run well (older hardware), that might also be a dislike
[07:00] <slicky> is there an easy way to dedupe a directory?
[07:00] <ramborocks> ahh legacy hardware i see
[07:01] <ramborocks> yeah that makes sense
[07:01] <dougbb> A_J_: I don't know, I don't use deluge ... but in theory you should be able to find the configuration you're looking for there
[07:01] <dougbb> A_J_: there is a #deluge on this network, try asking there
[07:01] <slicky> is there a tool that can find duplicate files in a directory?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: alot of users also swear bu kubuntu or xubuntu for years so...unity is a choice
[07:01] <dougbb> slicky: FSlint
[07:02]  * dougbb uses xubuntu personally
[07:02] <A_J_> dougbb i tried there, it's not that active there. thanks though :)
[07:02] <dougbb> A_J_: it's  a major holiday in the US, and most of the rest of the western world ... try again tomorrow :)
[07:02] <ramborocks> whats xubuntu ?
[07:02] <ramborocks> im a newb to linux
[07:02] <ramborocks> as i need not even state
[07:02] <dougbb> ramborocks: ubuntu with the XFCE desktop instead of unity
[07:02] <A_J_> indeed dougbb lol
[07:03] <DAL|Desktop> dougbb, ta. I was hoping I wouldn't have to reinstall all my OSes since Ubuntu has all the drivers compiled in
[07:03] <Gnea> !ppa
[07:03] <slicky> thanks dougbb
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: you can test for yourself by install xubuntu-desktop from your ubuntu desktop
[07:04] <dougbb> slicky: glad to help
[07:04] <ramborocks> thanks lotus
[07:04] <dougbb> lotuspsychje: personally I wouldn't recommend that ... IME switching DEs is not a smooth process
[07:05] <ramborocks> another quick question. In wine why would i change say from windows 7 to windows xp? Is it just to see if the program for say.. couldnt run on the other... or is one supported better than the other?
[07:05] <dougbb> ... although admittedly the last time I tried it was probably 9.x or so
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: alot of users install other wm from their ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, enlightment, blackbox
[07:06] <ramborocks> im watching a youtube video on xubuntu
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: as for a test he could try it safely right
[07:06] <ramborocks> oh how i love youtube lol
[07:06] <dougbb> lotuspsychje: my experience was that switching TO a new desktop environment generally worked Ok, but switching back afterwards ... not so much
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: what is your purpose for windows on your ubuntu?
[07:07] <dougbb> but like I said, it may have improved in the last years
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: its improved alot
[07:07] <dougbb> that's good to hear :)
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> !info xubuntu-desktop | dougbb
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: i used it many times on machines that doesnt run unity smooth
[07:08] <ramborocks> it looks like how i remember linux looking when i first played around with it
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: you can use virtualbox on your ubuntu, to emulate windows (if you need that)
[07:08] <ramborocks> long long ago
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: did you test enlightment lately?
[07:09] <dougbb> lotuspsychje: nope ... I've been an XFCE user for a long time
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: fun and oldskool :p
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> !info e17 | dougbb
[07:09] <dougbb> although lately I've been a little annoyed at the lack of emerald support
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: you on 13.10 xubuntu?
[07:09] <dougbb> and I am quite an old school user, yes
[07:09] <dougbb> yes
[07:10] <dougbb> emerald is badly broken on 13.10, I had to revert to gtk-window-decorator :(
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: emerald is that the effects compiz thing?
[07:11] <dougbb> it's not for effects, it's what you're supposed to use with compiz to provide window decorations
[07:11] <dougbb> (title bars, resize handles, etc.)
[07:11] <dhruv> hi
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: ah i see!
[07:11] <cfhowlett> dhruv, greetings
[07:11] <dougbb> up till 13.10 you had to compile it yourself, but it worked fine ... now it has all kinds of issues
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: im using effects on compiz from ubuntu 13.04 64bit
[07:12] <dougbb> yes, the compiz stuff works fine
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> dougbb: maybe the #xubuntu guys might know howto solve your emerald issue?
[07:13] <dougbb> lotuspsychje: not so far, but I haven't been in there when there during the day yet .... I only recently isolated the problem to emerald in any case
[07:13] <dhruv> im trying to unmount a parition in ubuntu but i couldnt do it. can any please help me this
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: did you try gparted mate?
[07:14] <ItsMeLenny> where do i find a list of env commands for wine
[07:14] <dougbb> dhruv, the usual cause of that problem is that something is holding a file descriptor open in the partition
[07:14] <ItsMeLenny> those like WINEPREFIX=
[07:14] <dhruv> no im using KDE parition manager
[07:14] <ItsMeLenny> oh, in man
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> !info gparted | dhruv
[07:15] <ramborocks> why would someone edit commands in wine?
[07:15] <dougbb> dhruv, what error do you get when you try to unmount?
[07:16] <dhruv> when i right click on the parition the unmount option is not active
[07:17] <dhruv> it says i cant unmount the parition
[07:18] <llutz> dhruv: what partition is it, where is it mounted to?
[07:18] <llutz> dhruv: "mount" in a terminal might help to get that info
[07:19] <dhruv> ext4 type parition
[07:24] <dhruv> when i open gparted program and when i click on ext4 type parition to unmount it, it doesnt work
[07:24] <cristian_c> Hi
[07:25] <cristian_c> I installed qt4-qtconfig. When I open the qt configuration tool, I change the font type and size. Then I select File-> Save, and the string 'Saved changes.' appears in the statusbar
[07:25] <thom_r> cristian_c: hello
[07:25] <cristian_c> But if I close and reopen the configuration tool, I find the previous settings, as if I had not made any changes
[07:25] <cristian_c> thom_r, hello
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: did you sudo gparted?
[07:25] <dhruv> what is sudo gparted?
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: start gparted from terminal: sudo gparted
[07:26] <cristian_c> How can I solve this problem?
[07:26] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[07:27] <dougbb> cristian_c: check the permissions on your home directory, then run the qt4-config program from a shell, and see if there are any errors
[07:27] <dhruv> im sorry im very new to ubuntu can you help me through this
[07:27] <dhruv> how should i sudo gparted from terminal
[07:27] <dougbb> dhruv, do you know what a terminal is? Do you have one open?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: what do you want to do with your partition?
[07:28] <dhruv> im trying to install windows 8
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> lol?
[07:28] <dougbb> dhruv, you don't install windows 8 inside ubuntu :)
[07:28] <thom_r> dhruv: are you trying to wipe Windows 8 and install Ubuntu?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: why dont you stay on ubuntu mate, w8 is bad...
[07:29] <dhruv> no im trying to wipe ubuntu and install windows 8
[07:29] <thom_r> I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to use Windows at all
[07:29] <cristian_c> dougbb, I've tried with the guest user and I've also created a new user
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: does your ubuntu dont please you?
[07:29] <dougbb> dhruv, ok, then you don't need to unmount anything, just boot the windows 8 installer and let it reformat the drive for you
[07:30] <thom_r> dhruv: why do you want to get rid of Ubuntu for Windows 8?
[07:30] <cristian_c> dougbb, I'll try to run the configurator from the terminal
[07:30] <dougbb> cristian_c: OK
[07:30] <dhruv> i have tried, that it gives me option to choose in which parition iwant to install it
[07:31] <dhruv> but non of the paritions are active
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: can you explain to us why you dont like ubuntu?
[07:31] <dhruv> im not that comfortable with it
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> dhruv: howso?
[07:31] <thom_r> dhruv: try Zorin
[07:31] <dougbb> dhruv, you should probably get some help from the windows folks on that one then .... do you have anything on the drive you want to preserve, or does it all need to be wiped out?
[07:32] <dhruv> okthanks
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:32] <dougbb> folks, linux isn't for everyone,  no sense trying to talk someone into doing something they aren't ready for
[07:32] <thom_r> http://linuxscreenshot.netsons.org/wp-content/gallery/zorin-os-6/linux-screenshot-zorin-os-6-00.jpg
[07:32] <thom_r> dhruv: check that out
[07:32]  * lotuspsychje thinks another soul selled to m1cr0s0ft
[07:32] <thom_r> oops, he left
[07:33] <cristian_c> dougbb, I've tried to run 'qtconfig-qt4' and I've made the change, bug no messages have been printed
[07:33] <cristian_c> :(
[07:33] <llutz> lotuspsychje: an OS is a tool not a religion (at least: should be)
[07:34] <bob___> Where can I find the usbmgr.conf?
[07:34] <sgo11> any program can download youtube video in ubuntu? thanks.
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> llutz: for many users, ubuntu is also a way of life
[07:34] <bob___> sgo11: You can always use www.onlinevideoconverter.com
[07:34] <thom_r> sgo11: All Video Downloader
[07:34] <somsip> sgo11: youtube-dl http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> llutz: opensource minded ppl, and an ease for our digital life
[07:35] <SaberX01> lotuspsychje, The same could be said about a great many things, not just Linux operating systems.
[07:35] <bob___> I can't seem to find any information if whether ubuntu uses usbmgr or hotplug
[07:35] <dougbb> cristian_c: that's a weird one ... try this:  assuming your username is cristian_c:  find /home/cristian_c ! -user cristian_c
[07:35] <dougbb> substitute your real user name if it's different
[07:35] <cristian_c> dougbb, ok
[07:36] <bob___> Where can I find usbmgr.conf?
[07:36] <dougbb> bob___: did you try: locate usbmgr.conf
[07:37] <SaberX01> bob___, it's the kernel, udev and rules.d
[07:37] <bob___> SaberX01:  What do you mean "it's the kernel"
[07:37] <bob___> dougbb:  Yup, no results found with that one.
[07:37] <sgo11> somsip, thanks for the answer. I use youtube-dl before. it does not support proxy as the time I tried it. I will check it again.
[07:37] <cristian_c> dougbb, I get a list of files belonging to my home :O
[07:37] <yash069> bob___: /etc/usbmgr/usbmgr.conf
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> sgo11: try the #firefox channel for asking other cool addons
[07:38] <bob___> yash069:  No such file or directory.
[07:38] <sgo11> lotuspsychje, thanks.
[07:38] <bob___> I also tried /etc/hotplug, none found either.
[07:38] <dougbb> cristian_c: Ok, that sounds like a permissions problem then .... again assuming your user name is cristian_c, do this:  chown -R cristian_c:cristian_c /home/cristian_c
[07:38] <cristian_c> 176 files
[07:39] <cristian_c> ok
[07:39] <dougbb> cristian_c: you're not logging in as root, are you?
[07:39] <cristian_c> no
[07:39] <cristian_c> :D
[07:39] <dougbb> Ok
[07:39] <cristian_c> I'm not so stupid
[07:39] <cristian_c> :)
[07:40] <yash069> bob___: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/en/man5/usbmgr.conf.5.html
[07:40] <cristian_c> dougbb, chown -R cristian:cristian /home/cristian is not accepted because I've not launched this command with privileges
[07:41] <dougbb> ok, so prepend sudo to that command
[07:41] <cristian_c> Operation not permitted
[07:41] <cristian_c> ok
[07:41] <dougbb> sudo chown ....
[07:41] <cristian_c> it's working...
[07:42] <cristian_c> then, I'l try to launch the find command again
[07:42] <bob___> yash069:  Like I said, it is nowhere to be found on my system. I'm wondering how my system manages the flash drive I just connection. Hehe
[07:42] <bob___> connected*
[07:43] <cristian_c> chown: unable to access to "/home/cristian/.gvfs": Permission denied
[07:43] <cristian_c> only this message
[07:43] <cristian_c> good work
[07:43] <nearst> hello good ppl
[07:43] <cfhowlett> nearst, ... and the rest of us?  no greeting?  no nothing?
[07:44] <cristian_c> ok
[07:44] <cristian_c> dougbb, find /home/cristian ! -user cristian returns only the commands prompt
[07:44] <cristian_c> :)
[07:44] <nearst> cfhowlett, hi !  and merry xmas to all
[07:44] <badboi> any apache experts here ^^ ?
[07:45] <dougbb> cristian_c: ok, that's what we'd expect .... go ahead and try the qt4-config again
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> badboi: #httpd
[07:45] <cristian_c> ok
[07:45] <badboi> yeah im in that channel already, but kinda quiet :x
[07:45] <nearst> just upgrade saucy :)
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> badboi: or ask your ubuntu apache issue
[07:45] <dougbb> cfhowlett: this isn't a chat channel
[07:46] <badboi> well its not ubuntu-related but okay :)
[07:46] <badboi> Im trying to setup: user.domain.com and use public_html folder in user directory: /home/user/public_html - was wondering if this is possible
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> badboi: if you have apache on ubuntu, it is
[07:46] <badboi> that i do
[07:46] <cristian_c> dougbb, i've tried now. No messages displayed in the terminal and no changes saved when I open again the configurator
[07:46] <cristian_c> :(
[07:46] <bob___> There is no /etc/usbmgr, /etc/usbmgr/usbmgr.conf, /etc/hotplug, or /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap in my system. Yet I can see the contents of my connected flash drive. What does my system uses to manage it?
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | maybe anything usefull here badboi
[07:47] <badboi> i found a lot of sites expllaining how to use mods-available , but that translates www.domain.com/~user/ to /home/user/public_html automatically
[07:47] <dougbb> cristian_c: not sure what to tell you then .... the next step would be to truss the process
[07:48] <SaberX01> bob___, This is about as good of explanation as one would expect to find for all the parts involved; http://blogas.sysadmin.lt/?p=141
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> badboi: the #ubuntu-server guys might also have experience on apache aswell
[07:48] <cristian_c> dougbb, I've not understood the meaning of 'truss' :)
[07:48] <dougbb> badboi: the short answer to your question is no .... the longer answer is that you could probably do it with enough configuration tweaks, but it's not on topic for this channel
[07:49] <dougbb> cristian_c: yeah ... you probably want to try in #qt
[07:49] <cristian_c> ah, ok, tie, bind
[07:49] <dougbb> they may be able to give you more debugging details
[07:49] <llutz> cristian_c: is the config being read at startup at all? "strace -e open -f "qtcreator" ">&1 |grep home"  should give you a list of files being open when starting "qtcreator" (replace this by the correct app-name)
[07:49] <cristian_c> dougbb, ok, thansk very much for the support :)
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> ItsMeLenny: did your ubuntu setup work mate?
[07:50] <dougbb> cristian_c: or try what llutz said :)
[07:51] <cristian_c> llutz, I don't know if the config is read at all at startup, but I'll check it :)
[07:51] <cristian_c> llutz, i'll try the strace command
[07:52] <bob___> SaberX01: Thanks for the site, however, I'm just wondering where the files, the utilities, are. I can't find them in my system.
[07:52] <cristian_c> dougbb, ok, now I've got many things to do :)
[07:52] <cristian_c> thanks
[07:53] <dougbb> good luck cristian_c, I'll be afk for a bit
[07:53] <cristian_c> ok
[07:53] <SaberX01> bob___, There all over the place depending on that it is, check /dev for devices, check dmesg messages about connection status and configuration events.
[07:53] <ramborocks> any good documentarys on linux
[07:53] <ramborocks> ive watched revolution os
[07:53] <SaberX01>  .. on what it is ..
[07:53] <ramborocks> yeah you know something to watch with the wife
[07:54] <bob___> SaberX01: I'm pretty new to Linux so I don't really understand how it works. According to what I read it says that the utility are in /etc/usbmgr/usbmgr.conf which I can't find in my system
[07:55] <SaberX01> lol . I recommend the history channel, discovery etc, NGO, anything but not Utube via the Internet .. lol
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: the ubuntu-touch video is nice, but not really a docu :p
[07:55] <ramborocks> lol
[07:56] <SaberX01> bob___, Do you have a specific problem your trying to resolve? if not, maybe #ubuntu-ot is a better place for general discussion.
[07:56] <nearst> :)
[07:56] <helmut_> hi
[07:57] <thom_r> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI&list=FLQyIlFhZ9P5rOQ6mFCU3Y8w&index=1
[07:57] <thom_r> decent enough video
[07:57] <thom_r> it's only 18 minutes
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: maybe ubuntu party might get you on the right track
[07:57] <ramborocks> ooo a ted talks!
[07:57] <ramborocks> love those
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> !party | ramborocks
[07:57] <ramborocks> thanks
[07:57] <bob___> SaberX01: Oh, I'm sorry about that. I'll visit the room.  It's pretty hard to get away from Linux.
[08:00] <ramborocks> she loves her windows 8
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: she's wrong
[08:00] <ramborocks> :)
[08:00] <cny-buntu> does she use an android phone?
[08:00] <cny-buntu> or kindle ...
[08:00] <ramborocks> she uses iphone i got the android
[08:00] <thom_r> Just tell your wife that Facebook and Google run Linux. If that isn't good enough tell her that the US nuclear submarine fleet runs Linux
[08:00] <ramborocks> nope she uses ipad for that too
[08:00] <cny-buntu> lol
[08:00] <ramborocks> its like talking religion in our house
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> ok lets focus back to ubuntu support :p
[08:01] <cny-buntu> <-- doesn't like apple
[08:01] <ramborocks> :) im taking off
[08:01] <ramborocks> i got a 18 minute clip to catch before bed
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: welcome to the ubuntu community ok
[08:01] <cny-buntu> ciao
[08:01] <ramborocks> thank you]
[08:02] <thom_r> good luck ramborocks
[08:03] <Abhijit> dougbb, still getting this error http://pastebin.com/QwgAPZ8v help
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> Abhijit: did you sudo apt-get update?
[08:04] <SaberX01> Id' do a clean, autoclean then update try again
[08:04] <SaberX01> and try again
[08:05] <Abhijit> lotuspsychje, same erro after apt get update
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> Abhijit: try what SaberX01 sugested then
[08:07] <Abhijit> ok
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> Abhijit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[08:17] <JohnnyL> What would cause Firefox package after a do-release-upgrade crash at Firefox start while a ftp download install of firefox with same .mozilla work fine?
[08:17] <dougbb> Abhijit: did you do all the commands I pasted for you earlier?
[08:18] <SaberX01> JohnnyL, something wrong with the repo package, could be anything really.
[08:19] <cny-buntu> can some help me with a networking issue?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> JohnnyL: try running firefox from terminal?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> cny-buntu: if its ubuntu related sure mate
[08:19] <Abhijit> dougbb, yes.
[08:19] <Abhijit> SaberX01, lotuspsychje did clean autoclean autoremove and update. still same error.
[08:20] <cny-buntu> sorta I think
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> Abhijit: check this out maybe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/140940/why-do-i-receive-the-duplicate-sources-error-message-during-an-ubuntu-12-04-li
[08:20] <SaberX01> Abhijit, what you trying to install? Need the error and how yoru trying to install it.
[08:21] <Abhijit> SaberX01, its when i install updates. something related to perl.
[08:21] <cny-buntu> deals with setting ipv4 in netwotk connections to share with other computers
[08:21] <SaberX01> Abhijit, chesk what lotuspsychje sent you .. that seems reasonable.
[08:21] <SaberX01> check
[08:21] <Abhijit> ok
[08:22] <cny-buntu> i have wlan0 and eth0. wlan is my internet, eth is private
[08:22] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, what are you trying to do, and what is the SW not doing that you expect it too do?
[08:23] <cny-buntu> when I share eth0 to other computers is changes my internal ip from 192.x.x.x to 10.x.x.x
[08:23] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, from my experience with ICS it's ben 10.x.x.x
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> cny-buntu: maybe the ##nteworking guys might help you also?
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> ##networking
[08:24] <z8z> Guys sorry for annoying but i got confused about a license issue. A c++ library i want to use for a commercial software which license should have GPL or LGPL?
[08:25] <dougbb> z8z, wrong channel
[08:25] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, that' the correct behavior for ICS .. your primary NIC or Gateway would be the 192.x.x.x and the share is 10.x.x.x that's how it is set up to work.
[08:26] <cny-buntu> my eth0 is wired to a wireless router
[08:26] <YOURBESTFRIEND> z8z: LGPL
[08:26] <cny-buntu> my wlan0 is internal wnic on laptop
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> !gpl | z8z
[08:26] <nearst> wew
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> !lpgl
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> !lgpl
[08:27] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, what exactly are you trying do .. ?  your setup seems backwards for ICS
[08:27] <cny-buntu> when i try to connect another machine via wirless router, i have to connect multiple times to pull the correct ip of 10.x.x.x instead of 192.x.x.x if that makes sense
[08:27] <z8z> YOURBESTFRIEND: thanks... you are the man!
[08:28] <cny-buntu> my internal wlan0 does not support master mode, hence the wireless router
[08:28] <cny-buntu> my router has an ip of 192.167.x.x
[08:28] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, sorry, but none of this is making sense, if you have a wireless router, you can share that through the eth0 NIC to another computer, but not the wlan0 connection.
[08:29] <cny-buntu> ok
[08:29] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, so the process goes somethign like this:
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: can ad-hoc help him?
[08:29] <nearst> cny-buntu, gateway WAN usually on public ip. 192.x.x.x is class C IP
[08:29] <cny-buntu> remote machine connects to wireless router goes through eth0 then out wlan0
[08:30] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, Router = Wireless to Computer1, then eth0 on Computer1 to Computer2 .. computer2 gets the 10.x.x.x IP addy from computer1.
[08:30] <cny-buntu> sorry if i am not explaing it right, don't know much about networking but trying
[08:30] <dougbb> cny-buntu: that doesn't make any sense ... why don't you just plug the ethernet cable into the WAN port on the router, then use the router as it's designed to be used?
[08:30] <nearst> cny-buntu, u setup it on vm ? or phy hardware ?
[08:31] <cny-buntu> physical
[08:31] <nearst> probably routing stuff
[08:32] <cny-buntu> my problem is, lets i connect a kindle or droid to my wireless router, sometimes it picks up the routers ip of 192.x.x.x
[08:33] <cny-buntu> so i have to disconnect and reconnect till i get a 10.x.x.x ip
[08:33] <cny-buntu> make sense?
[08:33] <SaberX01> No
[08:33] <nearst> so make it static
[08:33] <archyme> Thats what its supposed to do cny
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> well thats not really relevant to ubuntu anymore
[08:33] <archyme> Why do you want a 10.x ip
[08:33] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, log into your router and reserve an IP address for the Kindle or whatever, you dont have to mess with static IP's
[08:35] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, Additionaly, unless your router is set to dish out IP in a subclass 10.x.x.x yrou non-shared devices shoutld get a 192,x.x.x somthing or other IP addy.
[08:35] <dougbb> cny-buntu: why do you want the devices connected to the router to get a 10/8 address, instead of an address on the dhcp server of the router?
[08:35] <cny-buntu> i don't, it's just the way it worked out when i share eth0
[08:35] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, Ok, why are you sharing eth0 ?
[08:36] <SaberX01> and what is eth0 connected to?
[08:36] <cny-buntu> eth0 is wired to my wireless router
[08:36] <nearst> ah, ok. and then?
[08:36] <dougbb> cny-buntu: so then the bigger question is, why are you sharing eth0 on your laptop instead of plugging the internet connection into the WAN port on the router?
[08:36] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, you dont need to share that connection then.
[08:37] <dougbb> right, what SaberX01 said
[08:37] <cny-buntu> if i don't share it, i don't have ICS on remote machines
[08:37] <dougbb> you're trying to make things too complicated
[08:37] <cny-buntu> i can't share wlan0 , no master mode
[08:37] <dougbb> cny-buntu: why do you want to do ICS instead of letting the router do it's job?
[08:37] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, let the wireless router dish out IP's to the wireless devices, like Kindle or whatever, then your laptop or desktop is the NIC port on the box/router.
[08:37] <cny-buntu> router has no internet
[08:38] <dougbb> so why are you not plugging the internet into the router in the first place?
[08:38] <nearst> and eth0 to the route ?
[08:38] <SaberX01> FUBAR
[08:38] <cny-buntu> i get free wireless
[08:38] <cny-buntu> there is no hardwired modem to my router
[08:38] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, so your Internet, or Gateway is VIA the Wireless router ?
[08:39] <dougbb> aha!
[08:39] <cny-buntu> no it is not
[08:39] <dougbb> so get a wireless bridge ... then you can use the bridge to connect to the ISP, and plug the other end into the WAN port on the router
[08:39] <archyme> Cny why does your router not have internet? If you dont want your router to route and just want it as a switch then turn off dhcp and let something else run your dhcp
[08:39] <llutz> cny-buntu: and your wifi-router doesn't support bridge/repeater-mode?
[08:39] <dougbb> right now you're trying to use your laptop as the bridge ... that's not a good plan
[08:40] <cny-buntu> no it doesn't, i tried that. just trying to make things work with what I have
[08:40] <cny-buntu> right dougbb
[08:40] <cny-buntu> trying to make the laptop work as the modem
[08:41] <SaberX01> cny-buntu, easiest option is to get a second wireless access-point and use that as your LAN DHCP
[08:41] <SaberX01> and hang a switch off that for wired connections.
[08:41] <archyme> A laptop isnt a modem and wont work like one
[08:42] <dougbb> SaberX01: no need to get a full wap to do that, a cheap-o wireless bridge will do the trick just fine
[08:42] <cny-buntu> archyme, it does work, sometimes
[08:42] <dougbb> I'm using that setup now
[08:42] <cny-buntu> so the wireless bridge is more hardware?
[08:42] <dougbb> yes, usually around $30
[08:42] <nearst> or look another firmware for route to make a wireless bridge
[08:42] <cny-buntu> something I can get at the bigbox stores?
[08:43] <dougbb> nearst: most low-end consumer routers don't have the circuitry
[08:43] <dougbb> cny-buntu: yes
[08:43] <nearst> try ask at #openwrt .
[08:44] <cny-buntu> my router isn't supported by WRT
[08:44] <cny-buntu> tried that
[08:44] <SaberX01> dougbb, however he wants to do .. whatever is easy, but the current arrangement going to causing collisions and connection issues.
[08:44] <cny-buntu> yes it does
[08:44] <cny-buntu> network crashes all the time :(
[08:44] <dougbb> SaberX01: right, I'm saying that using the laptop for a bridge is a bad idea :)
[08:44] <SaberX01> Personally, I'd treate the 1st Wireless Router and a Border or Edge Router, and that it, but tha'ts just me.
[08:45] <nearst> bcoz your laptop confuse, thats why
[08:45] <dougbb> however, using a bridge for a bridge will work a treat
[08:45] <cny-buntu> thanks for all the help :)
[08:47] <SaberX01> dougbb, He could setup a DHCP Server .. have the wireless router be the gateway and eth0 route to a switch and dish out IPS, then hang an access point off that, that would work.
[08:48] <nearst> it possible tbh. but prefer the easiest way :)
[08:48] <SaberX01> Easiest way is a second wireless router, and hard line between them, use 2nd router for LAN
[08:49] <totesmuhgoats> hi folks
[08:49] <totesmuhgoats> has anyone here installed handbrake from the stebbins ppa? i just installed it but i don't seem to have anything resembling a handbrake executable in PATH
[08:50] <somsip> !PPA | totesmuhgoats
[08:51] <totesmuhgoats> somsip: i seem to have added the ppa succesfully, because apt-cache search yielded no packages before and afterward showed the package, i installed it succesfully, i just don't know what the name of the executable is, or if it maybe installed somewhere not in PATH
[08:52] <llutz> totesmuhgoats: dpkg -L handbrake-packagename|grep "bin/"
[08:53] <dougbb> SaberX01: sure, but my way is easier :)
[08:53] <JohnnyL> yeah. basically you don't know.
[08:53] <totesmuhgoats> llutz: thank you very much, for some reason the bin is HandBrakeCLI, not handbrake or similar as i was expecting
[08:53] <llutz> totesmuhgoats: stupid naming... but now you know what to use
[08:55] <totesmuhgoats> i really need to learn more about dpkg, i thought it was just for making and installing packages
[08:56] <robcar> hello everybody
[08:56] <robcar> ubuntu 13.10 64bit here
[08:56] <llutz> totesmuhgoats: well it has a database and some options to query it, mostly used are -L and -S i guess
[08:57] <robcar> one thing that I really miss of Windows 7 is its taskbar, specifically the window preview feature
[08:58] <robcar> for instance it shows the opened IE tabs and I can close them individually
[08:58] <robcar> is it possible to have this feature in ubuntu?
[08:58] <thom_r> I've never used Windows 7 for more than like an hour
[08:59] <totesmuhgoats> llutz: thanks, pal
[08:59] <SaberX01> Unity Dash, one you master it, blows windows task bar away.
[08:59] <thom_r> robcar, are you talking about when you hover the mouse over a windows you have minimized in the taskbar and it shows you what it is?
[08:59] <SaberX01> *once
[09:00] <dougbb> thom_r: yes, that's what he's referring to
[09:00] <robcar> I do love dash, but the question is: can the launcher show preview windows of the opened apps?
[09:00] <thom_r> I don't know if the Unity dock does that. I know Zorin does it with the awn panel
[09:00] <robcar> kubuntu has a similar feature but it doesn't let you close the windows
[09:02] <SaberX01> If you have say, 2x Chrome apps open, not Tabs, and ya click on the launcher, mine puts them in two different work spaces ..
[09:02] <SaberX01> and I can Alt-Tab though both  instantly.
[09:02] <SaberX01> *through
[09:03] <robcar> saberx01, thanks, yeah I saw it, though it's not so immediate as in win7
[09:05] <SaberX01> I dont know, my time on windows usually spans long enough to boot a box and get rid of it, apart from one, that I have  to use for a couple specific programs.
[09:10] <Richhh> i liked to use mspaint to immediately draw ideas, so far haven't found a linux equivalent (something that loads in <1s on a 2GHz Celeron, something with a simple UI like pinta), ideally something that can save to .svg too, not web based
[09:10] <linuxlite> hello
[09:10] <Richhh> hi
[09:10] <ikonia> tux paint
[09:10] <cfhowlett> linuxlite, greetings
[09:10] <Richhh> k will try
[09:10] <linuxlite> anyone here knows mysql
[09:11] <cfhowlett> !mysql
[09:11] <ikonia> cfhowlett: thank you, need to fix that alias, mysql is not lamp
[09:11] <gry> linuxlite, hi, what's up
[09:11] <linuxlite> i guess the DISTINCT does not work on integers
[09:11] <linuxlite> hi gry
[09:11] <linuxlite> hello cfhowlett
[09:12] <ikonia> linuxlite it should do, and also be aware of the channel #mysql - good mysql guys in there
[09:12] <linuxlite> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6638445/ this is my query
[09:12] <apb1963_> anyone know how to get plasma desktop weather wallpaper to work?
[09:12] <linuxlite> http://picpaste.com/shot-MZXD9d9D.png here is my screenshot
[09:12] <apb1963_> ubuntu 12.04
[09:13] <linuxlite> thanks ikonia il join them now
[09:13] <SaberX01> that query scrolled like 4mile off my screen ... lol
[09:13] <linuxlite> ikonia cannot join channel on mysql
[09:13] <linuxlite> SaberX01 thats ok
[09:14] <ikonia> linuxlite: you need a registered freenode account
[09:14] <ikonia> !register | linuxlite
[09:14] <ikonia> linuxlite: also the guys in #freenode can help you register if you get stuck
[09:14] <nearst> aha ikonia , how are u xD
[09:14] <SaberX01> no really makes it hard to understand .. but MySQL channel somewhere probably best chance at a fix fer that one.
[09:15] <ikonia> linuxlite: looks like a syntax error, no the two ' ' don'tseem to make sense
[09:15] <gry> linuxlite: and pastebin with line wrap and error message
[09:16] <gry> ... i can't read that
[09:17] <linuxlite> it works the Identification shows 1,4,2,4 but i want it 1,4,2 only
[09:17] <linuxlite> i used distinct
[09:20] <linuxlite><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:20] <linuxlite><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has too many accounts registered.
[09:20] <linuxlite> it says ^^^
[09:24] <YOURBESTFRIEND> how do I know if an executable is 32 bit or 64 bit?
[09:25] <ikonia> YOURBESTFRIEND: run "file" against it, or right click properties on it
[09:25] <YOURBESTFRIEND> ikonia: thank you
[09:27] <sazawal> Sorry, I could not find a room for "cron" package, so I am asking here. I used < folderpathwithspaces IN_OPEN myscript "$@" > to watch a directory using cron. The directory has spaces in its path, but the wildcard $@ is only giving me watched path till the first space inside myscript. How can I fix this?
[09:28] <dougbb> don't use directories or files with spaces in unix :)
[09:28] <ikonia> andrex: 1.) don't use cron like that directly executing commands - put it in a script 2.) use escape chars, eg: directory\ with\ spaces
[09:29] <sazawal> dougbb, I have put backslashes before the spaces as well
[09:29] <sazawal> ikonia, I have done that but its not helping
[09:29] <ikonia> sazawal: show me the script
[09:29] <bytefire> what should be efi partition size on a 500gb hdd for ubuntu install?
[09:29] <ikonia> bytefire: same as on a 1GB or 1TB disk
[09:29] <ikonia> bytefire: it doesn't change
[09:29] <sazawal> ikonia, ok I will put it in pastebin
[09:30] <thom_r> bytefire: are you installing alongside something or is Ubuntu the only OS?
[09:30] <bytefire> ubuntu is only os
[09:30] <kartik> alongside windows 8
[09:30] <thom_r> just do an install, it will do all the work for you.
[09:31] <bytefire> thom_r it gives a problem: grub fails to install
[09:31] <bytefire> that's why im doing partitioning
[09:31] <bytefire> ikonia: what's tht size?
[09:32] <ikonia> bytefire: have you read the EFI install documentation?
[09:32] <sazawal> ikonia, This is my /var/spool/incron/root entry http://pastebin.com/839RpAzW
[09:32] <ikonia> sazawal: incron ?
[09:32] <thom_r> bytefire: did you try installing in legacy mode?
[09:33] <sazawal> ikonia, yes, why?
[09:33] <ikonia> sazawal thats not the default cron in ubuntu is it?
[09:33] <bytefire> thom_r in legacy mode, it doesn't recognise the live usb as boot device for some reason. it's acer aspire v5 123
[09:34] <thom_r> what program did you use to create the usb
[09:34] <llutz> ikonia: incron is not a cron-replacemend
[09:34] <YOURBESTFRIEND> ikonia: what does LSB mean?
[09:34] <ikonia> YOURBESTFRIEND: linux standard base
[09:34] <ikonia> llutz: ah, thank you, I've never used it
[09:34] <YOURBESTFRIEND> in the context of "file"
[09:34] <bytefire> ikonia: i have EFI install documentation open. problem is i dont have the background knowledge for most of the stuff
[09:34] <YOURBESTFRIEND> i.e. file program
[09:34] <YOURBESTFRIEND> still linux standard base?
[09:34] <sazawal> ikonia, no its not. The default in ubuntu I guess is only timed scheduler, using which I can execute a command at a given time. I installed it using "apt-get install incron". Using incron I can watch a directory for changes at any time.
[09:35] <llutz> ikonia: it monitors and acts on filesystem-events
[09:35] <ikonia> sazawal: I've never used incron so I don't know the syntax,
[09:35] <YOURBESTFRIEND> or least significant bit? or late static binding?
[09:35] <bytefire> thom_r: im using universal usb installer
[09:35] <sazawal> ikonia, ok
[09:36] <ikonia> YOURBESTFRIEND I've just told you what it is
[09:36] <sazawal> llutz, Can you help me with this?
[09:36] <bytefire> thom_r: from ere http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[09:36] <llutz> sazawal: how does your script parse options?
[09:36] <thom_r> bytefire: I've never used that program. I almost always use Unetbootin
[09:36] <sazawal> llutz, I have used $1 inside myscript to get the folder path.
[09:37] <bytefire> thom_r: will unetbootin work on windows?
[09:37] <thom_r> bytefire: yes
[09:37] <bytefire> ty
[09:37] <thom_r> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[09:38] <llutz> sazawal: does your script get the full path or only the part until first space?
[09:38] <bytefire> cool
[09:38] <sazawal> llutz, but as you can see on my pastebin, it just stops at the first space giving < /home/sazawal/Downloads/movies/Annie >
[09:38] <bytefire> thom_r: just to confirm. for legacy mode, i need to set bios start up to legacy mode and then boot from live usb. right?
[09:39] <llutz> sazawal: thats what $1 contains, but did your script get the full path as parameter? check full parameter-line given by incron (write it for testpurpose into a file)
[09:40] <thom_r> yeah, choose legacy/csm mode instead of UEFI
[09:40] <sazawal> llutz, I dont understand. I tried to echo $1 to a text file and this is what I got. The rest of the things are in $2, $3... etc.
[09:40] <thom_r> save and exit, then F12 for boot options, and choose your usb
[09:41] <llutz> sazawal: and $2 didn't contain the missing part of the path?
[09:41] <bytefire> thom_r: nice one...
[09:41] <sazawal> llutz, it did, but the path has more spaces so it goes upto $3.
[09:41] <thom_r> good luck
[09:42] <llutz> sazawal: so its not an incron issue, its your script.
[09:42] <sazawal> llutz, How can I fix it? I even put double quotes across $@
[09:43] <llutz> sazawal: you might change IFS='' inside your script to read the full path with spaces
[09:43] <kdz> hello
[09:43] <kdz> what permissions do i need to be able to run an app?
[09:43] <kdz> i dont want to give my users sudo
[09:43] <sazawal> llutz, Oh let me check it
[09:44] <llutz> sazawal:  does $@ contain more than just the path/filename? if not, why do you fiddle with $1 and don't use $@ in your script
[09:45] <kdz> hi llutz
[09:45] <sazawal> I am not using $@ in myscript. I put $2 as a wildcard when myscript is executed by cron < /home/sazawal/Downloads/movies/Annie\ Hall\ (1977)/ IN_OPEN /opt/myscript "$@" >
[09:45] <sazawal> llutz,
[09:45] <sazawal> sorry I meant $@ i used
[09:45] <ccha4> hello, about unattended-upgrades, how to set Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins for all origins ?
[09:46] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, you in?
[09:47] <thom_r> bytefire: did you get Unetbootin to work?
[09:48] <sazawal> llutz, This is myscript http://pastebin.com/jtPXsV6e. I put IFS='', but still not helping.
[09:50] <havv> is there an alternative for gMTP? it's terrible
[09:51] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, Yeah .. Im here, wath'en a bit of TV as well.
[09:55] <Lope> I've got a new laptop with nothing on it. I want to wipe the disk and use LVM on the whole disk. is it possible to do this with the Ubuntu installer?
[09:56] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, ah, everythings practically up and running, however my network shows up as "unmanaged" and i cant find where to change that
[09:56] <nearst> Lope, yes
[09:56] <kdz> hello who can help, how can i start a service for another user ?
[09:56] <SaberX01> Lope, sure, when the partitioner asks, just use the entire disk
[09:57] <thiker> hi
[09:57] <SaberX01> ItsMeLenny, where is theis msg appearing and is it not working?
[09:58] <thiker> I need simple steps for full system backup with command
[09:58] <ItsMeLenny> SaberX01, in the task bar, then when i go into network connections i can't alter anything
[09:59] <ItsMeLenny> in fact maybe i have to add one and it will fix up on next boot
[09:59] <ItsMeLenny> hmmm, maybe nevermind :P
[09:59] <SaberX01> Ok :-)
[09:59] <ItsMeLenny> :P thanks
[10:00] <SaberX01> thiker, Try this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[10:00] <peja> anyone have problems with latest grub2? install http://pastebin.com/BGzGyxPX
[10:01] <SaberX01> peja, this a New system ? UEFI maybe ?
[10:03] <peja> SaberX01: 1.99-21ubuntu3.14 for LTS 12.04
[10:04] <qwerty2> hi
[10:04] <qwerty2> i am new in irc chat
 thank you
[10:05] <thiker> saberx01 thank you
[10:05] <SaberX01> peja, what were you doing when the error happened, install, SW upgrade what?
[10:05] <gry> qwerty2: hi! just ask your question and enjoy your stay
[10:05] <peja> SaberX01: SW upgrade only
[10:06] <SaberX01> peja, Im not really sure, you could try re-installing grub, but looks like the HD / Controler not talk to the SW .. but that's a guess.
[10:07] <qwerty2> hi
[10:07] <SaberX01> hello
[10:07] <gry> qwerty2: greetings
[10:07] <gry> SaberX01: good day
[10:08] <qwerty2> yes men
[10:11] <qwerty2> FloodBot1: hi
[10:16] <peja> SaberX01: tryed but same result : http://pastebin.com/a1YtmRec
[10:18] <james> Is this a help channel?
[10:18] <DGJones> Guest68966: Yes, this is the main support channel for Ubuntu
[10:19] <SaberX01> peja, you using the root account? that's not advised on a sudo system, can cause all sorts of issues .. you may need to do an update, sudo update-grub
[10:21] <peja> SaberX01: OK thz, but it's still have same problem
[10:22] <SaberX01> peja, Ok. Im not sure what that issue is, not seen that particular error before.
[10:26] <Guest68966> DGJones: how do i type to you? i put in a name and hit tab and it dont work. I have been trying tp upgrade from 64bit ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 and the upgrade stalled at python dbus-dev. i'd like to close this and do it with the terminal do you know the commands?
[10:27] <thiker> i need to create a new folder and create new file within it bu using one command line,how?
[10:28] <gry> mkdir and touch commands would do it
[10:29] <SaberX01> thiker, mkdir ./<dir-name>  .. then cd ./<dir-name>  .. touch new-file-name
[10:29] <gry> you could also try using mkfile, there is an example at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17986615/one-command-to-create-a-directory-and-file-inside-it-linux-commad
[10:29] <Meerkat> thiker, you can separate commands with ; if you need it on the same line
[10:31] <thiker> meerkat same command not same line
[10:31] <julio> hy1970cj
[10:31] <gry> thiker: i gave answer to that -- mkfile
[10:31] <SaberX01> can also use && to execute 2nd cmd only if 1st one is sucessful
[10:34] <SaberX01> Isn't mkfile like from Sun or something, think UB has fallocate not mkfile
[10:42] <bytefire> thom_r you there?
[10:43] <bytefire> managed to install ubuntu 12.04 with efi.
[10:43] <thom_r> yeah
[10:43] <thom_r> sorry, was busy
[10:43] <thom_r> glad you got it installed
[10:44] <bytefire> no worries. since i was already on my way installing with efi so thought to go trhough with it
[10:44] <thom_r> was that your first time installing?
[10:44] <bytefire> problem i was getting before was wierd. gui wouldnt show. this time i said log in without ascking for credentials and gui came up fine
[10:45] <bytefire> thom_r: i did install it on a dell pc before
[10:45] <thom_r> hmm, I've never heard of that problem
[10:45] <bytefire> that was intel dual core.. this one was a bit of a challenge
[10:45] <thom_r> glad it's working
[10:45] <bytefire> thanks for your help
[10:45] <thom_r> did Unetbootin work better?
[10:46] <bytefire> i think unetbootin is better than what i was using bfore. now i'll stick to it
[10:47] <SaberX01> +1 on Unetbootin ,, I think thats the most reliable USB approach too.
[10:48] <thom_r> I've ran off a usb with Unetbootin for a whole week before while I was borrowing my dad's laptop
[10:50] <sazawal> Sorry, I could not find a room for "cron" package, so I am asking here. I used < folderpathwithspaces IN_OPEN myscript "$@" > to watch a directory using cron. The directory has spaces in its path, but the wildcard $@ is only giving me watched path till the first space inside myscript. How can I fix this?
[10:52] <thom_r> sazawal, try posting it on www.linuxquestions.org
[10:52] <Meerkat> sazawal, quotes around the folder name or perhaps \ before each space
[10:53] <SaberX01> I don't know anything about incron syntax, never used it before.
[10:53] <sazawal> Meerkat, I did that, but it is still stopping at the first space. Another thing is that, the wildcard $@ doesnt contain the backslash, the incron is doing it like that only.
[10:59] <thiker> gry i tried all this commands but it is not waht i need , really i need to one command to create folder and file in the same time without using |;&&
[11:00] <eutheria> i was wondering if it was possible to share a scanner over a network
[11:00] <SaberX01> what's the name of the folder you want, wehre do you want it, and what's the file name you want.
[11:01] <SaberX01> eutheria, pretty sure Samba can handle that.
[11:02] <thiker> for example folder name f1 and file name aa
[11:04] <eutheria> SaberX01, oh cool i had no idea samba can share scanners
[11:04] <SaberX01> thiker, in you home directory: mkdir f1; touch aa.txt
[11:04] <airtonix> SaberX01: eutheria, samba isn't the one that shares the scanner
[11:05] <eutheria> airtonix, so what shares a scanner
[11:05] <airtonix> SaberX01: eutheria, you need to run saned on a linux machine , which is responsible for sharing it to other linux machines.
[11:05] <SaberX01> Ahh it's SANE
[11:05] <SaberX01> eutheria, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[11:06] <airtonix> SaberX01: eutheria, by default gnome provides a scanning program that will connect to any saned exposed scanner : simple-scan i think it's called.
[11:06] <airtonix> i just tap supoer then start typing scan though
[11:06] <airtonix> super*
[11:07] <eutheria> can windows use a sane shared scanner?
[11:07] <airtonix> not sure
[11:07] <airtonix> maybe
[11:07] <SaberX01> I suppse that would work if it's attached to a desktop, but what if it's strictly a network scanner, via a server?
[11:07] <airtonix> SaberX01: doesn't matter saned can connect to network or usb scanners if i recall correctly
[11:08] <SaberX01> eutheria, have a read of the how-too I linked above.
[11:09] <thiker> what is the wrong in this command " tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz --exclude=/backup.tar.gz "?
[11:10] <hitsujiTMO> thiker:  tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz --exclude=/backup.tar.gz .
[11:10] <hitsujiTMO> thiker: you forgot to tell it what directory to archive
[11:10] <SaberX01> Probably needs a Path
[11:11] <thiker> i need full backup system
[11:11] <SaberX01> you try to back up or restore?
[11:11] <bekks> then omit /dev /sys /proc and /tmp from your backups too.
[11:11] <cfhowlett> !backup|thiker,
[11:12] <SaberX01> yeah and all those pesky ./.dotfiles are a pain too ..
[11:12] <ewook> bekks: it's insanely fun to look at the logs if you forget to omit 'em ;)
[11:13] <bekks> ewook: yeah /proc/kmem :P
[11:13] <thiker> ok thanks all
[11:13] <hitsujiTMO> thiker: add --one-file-system
[11:13] <SaberX01> Then again, I suppose it depends on how paranoid one is about the restoration as well.
[11:14] <thiker> what about my previous qution about making directory and file in one command
[11:14] <SaberX01> I sent that too you
[11:15] <hitsujiTMO> thiker:  tar -cvpzf /backup.tar.gz --exclude=/backup.tar.gz --one-file-system /
[11:15] <iceroot> thiker: mkdir -p /path/to/file && touch /path/to/file/filename
[11:15] <SaberX01> thiker, mkdir test-dir; touch ./test-dir/test-file.txt
[11:16] <thiker> no i dont want use && or | or ;
[11:16] <iceroot> thiker: then its not possible with one command using standard gnu tools
[11:16] <SaberX01> then use two commands
[11:17] <thiker> no my instructor tell us there is a way to do that
[11:17] <gry> thiker, so how do you not like mkfile then
[11:17] <cesc> Hi! When I plug in a USB drive it is mounted under /media/cesc/usbblabla. Is there a way of having it mounted directly under /media  (saving the "cesc" subdirectory)? Thanks in advance!
[11:17] <iceroot> thiker: vim /path/to/file/filename    vim is creating that directory
[11:17] <SaberX01> mkfile is a SunOS tool
[11:17] <SaberX01> fallocate == mkfile in Linux
[11:17] <gry> it WORKS ON UBUNTU, if you're not interested in that ask elsewhere
[11:18] <SaberX01> where is it at?
[11:18] <gry> oh, i apologize, it doesn't appear to work on ubuntu, i was misinformed
[11:18] <SaberX01> Indeed
[11:19] <Bjizzle> Hello. I'm trying to use a gtx 780 as my gpu and a 580 as my physx card. When I try to login (if I get a screen that isn't blank) when I log in I get a blank screen. I've tried nvidia-current (304), 319, and 331 drivers.
[11:19] <thiker> so?
[11:19] <iceroot> or just mkdir -p /foo/bar/filename    (everything in unix is a file, also directories :) )
[11:19] <SaberX01> gry, maybe your thinking of mktemp -f ..
[11:20] <gry> no, in making a nontemporary file
[11:21] <SaberX01> I think all the dir's are also files in Linux as well, jsut a directory file, thus the reason for test -d or -f
[11:22] <iceroot> SaberX01: everything is a file in UNIX, GNU/Linux
[11:22] <thiker> mkdir -p is for creatin folders
[11:22] <SaberX01> pretty sure that's what I just said, or at least that's what I ment to say without all the typo's .. lol
[11:23] <iceroot> thiker: use mkdir -p /path/to/file && touch /path/to/file/filename  or ask in #bash. i guess we are finished here
[11:23] <iceroot> thiker: or use vi /path/to/file/filename
[11:23] <SaberX01> he dont want a compound command, not && | or ; allowed .. lol
[11:24] <iceroot> SaberX01: does not matter, he has some solutions, i guess we can skip that topic
[11:24] <Bjizzle> Hello. I'm trying to use a gtx 780 as my gpu and a 580 as my physx card. When I try to login (if I get a screen that isn't blank) when I log in I get a blank screen. I've tried nvidia-current (304), 319, and 331 drivers. I'm on 13.10.
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:35] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|Bjizzle,
[11:37] <Bjizzle> Thanks cfhowlett
[11:38] <cfhowlett> Bjizzle, that should get you into the system.  configuration beyond that is also beyond my ability to advise.
[11:39] <adas> hitsujiTMO:  !
[11:40] <Bjizzle> Cfhowlett, for the boot params should I have "ro quiet splash nomodeset $vt_handoff"
[11:41] <SaberX01> thats prob good for Boot up to login
[11:41] <cfhowlett> Bjizzle, I believe that's right
[11:41] <Bjizzle> What about after I login?
[11:41] <SaberX01> that's all driver stuff then ..
[11:42] <cfhowlett> Bjizzle, oh that's when the real fun starts!
[11:42] <SaberX01> Im on 12.04 .. so really can't advice much on the desktop portion ~ 13.10
[11:43] <Bjizzle> Haha, when can I plug my second monitor into the primary gpu? Once I'm in how do I use the second gpu as physx?
[11:44] <Bjizzle> And it doesn't seem to display the desktop
[11:45] <SaberX01> I have no Idea, may want to try in the Nvidia channel.
[11:46] <Bjizzle> Didn't realize they had a channel. :o I guess I should have as everyone has a channel on freenode
[11:48] <SaberX01> Bjizzle, actually, I just did a quick search, didn't see one, but may be one around somewhere .. but they probably best info on that issue.
[11:49] <Bjizzle> #nvidia
[11:50] <SaberX01> There ya go then. I think the newest NV card I have is a 58 series .. rather old now, just no need for any of the newer cards.
[11:51] <win5hit> hi there! i'd like to stress test my rigs memory with a ubuntu live-cd.(not memtest86)
[11:52] <Bjizzle> My friend is letting me borrow his 780 while his motherboard is fried
[11:52] <win5hit> my idea was to create a ramdisk and bench it with bonnie
[11:53] <win5hit> but... bonnie keeps throwing a warning that the size for testing should be double ram size... but... i want to stress test ram ;)
[11:53] <win5hit> any idea how to circumvent this warning?
[11:53] <ikonia> win5hit: why would you not use memtest - designed to test ram
[11:53] <SaberX01> There's several mem-test type apps that never make it to the OS stage in boot .. Id' think that's the optimum situation.
[11:55] <win5hit> ikonia: yes memtest is designed to test ram,but: it's running and not throwing errors(multiple passes). and i'd like to validate a specific behavior: rig freezes if i stress ram.(not completely freezes, gets back after 10 minutes or so... memtest86 doesn't crash, keeps running and stating everything is ok)
[11:56] <ikonia> win5hit you've just validated it - it's running and not throwing errors - multiple passes "validated"
[11:56] <win5hit> ^^not exactly
[11:56] <iceroot> just start eclipse, that is the best stresstest for ram ever :)
[11:56] <ikonia> win5hit: how not exactly ?
[11:57] <win5hit> ikonia: when i run a ram stress test on windows i can watch rtts going to >10s, machine response is very bad. now i would like to verify the same behavior on linux.... just to be sure it's an operating system independent problem
[11:57] <SaberX01> I thought Bonnie was a Disk I/O test suite, didn't think it did memery testing as well.
[11:58] <win5hit> ikonia: whilst putting 100% cpu load on the rig doesn't affect the latencies
[11:58] <iceroot> SaberX01: ramdisc
[11:58] <ikonia> win5hit you've just validated it - and it looks like it's an operating system problem as it's not doing it on windows
[11:58] <win5hit> ikonia: the other way around
[11:58] <ikonia> win5hit: ok, the other way around then
[11:59] <DonkeyHotei> i'm at my wit's end. ext4 crapped itself, had to reformat and reinstall, and now fglrx insists on having a Segmentation fault
[11:59] <SaberX01> Actually, you really want to crank on a system, MPICH / Linpack Benchmark stuff, that' keeps going until something breaks down.
[11:59] <win5hit> ikonia: but i still want to see latencies increase when i put load on running linux ;)
[11:59] <ikonia> DonkeyHotei file systems don't "crap themselves" - explain the problem
[12:00] <ikonia> win5hit sounds like you're looking for a probolem thats not there
[12:00] <win5hit> why?
[12:00] <DonkeyHotei> ikonia: [    21.401] Segmentation fault at address (nil)
[12:00] <DonkeyHotei> [    21.401] Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[12:00] <win5hit> i can't measure ping latencies if i boot directly into memtest86.
[12:01] <ikonia> DonkeyHotei: that's not a file system error
[12:01] <ikonia> win5hit: ping ??? that's network
[12:01] <win5hit> yes
[12:01] <ikonia> win5hit: what are you talking about stress testing ram with "ping"
[12:01] <win5hit> look, i was talking about round trip times
[12:01] <ikonia> win5hit: you where talking about ram a minute ago
[12:01] <win5hit> yes
[12:01] <ikonia> now you've swapped to ping without a change of scope
[12:01] <DonkeyHotei> ikonia: what part of "had to reformat and reinstall" tells you the filesystem still has a problem?
[12:02] <SaberX01> Network I/O or  Memory .. I be lost now too :-)
[12:02] <ikonia> DonkeyHotei: good luck getting help with your smart responses, bye
[12:02] <win5hit> yes. if i put stress on ram, running on windows, the latencies(RTT) increase to >10 s. and i would like to validate the same behavior on linux.
[12:03] <bekks> DonkeyHotei: After reformatting, the filesystem changed entirely, because it was rebuilt clean. So it cant have the same errors.
[12:03] <DonkeyHotei> bekks: tell that to ikonia
[12:03] <ikonia> win5hit if you stress your machine - round trips will increase as there will be "wait"
[12:03] <bekks> DonkeyHotei: I tell it to you. I know ikonia already knows it pretty well.
[12:03] <ikonia> DonkeyHotei your description of the original problem "ext4 crapped itself" is nonsense, I asked you to clarify what it means
[12:03] <win5hit> yes. but not like this
[12:03] <SaberX01> DonkeyHotei, That's not what or why he said what he did.
[12:04] <ikonia> DonkeyHotei: because file systems don't "crap themselves" - so you may have a more serious problem, hence why you are now getting a segfault
[12:04] <win5hit> from <1ms increase to >10s is not common
[12:04] <DonkeyHotei> ikonia: my experience differs
[12:05] <SaberX01> win5hit, so, in Win, when you stressign the RAM, your Ping times increase dramatically as well ?
[12:05] <win5hit> back to the original question, can i bechmark a ramdisk with bonnie++? (somehow)
[12:05] <win5hit> SaberX01: yes, rtts increase when i stress ram under windows. but i can't tell about linux because i wasn't able to put stress on ram
[12:06] <ikonia> win5hit: a ram disk is a file system held in ram - not the same as testing ram
[12:06] <win5hit> thats why i'm trying to run bonnie++ on a ramdisk
[12:06] <hitsujiTMO> !attitude | DonkeyHotei ikonia is trying to give you sound advice. Normally you don't see multiple unrelated errors. You should be checking first for an underlying common issue
[12:06] <win5hit> i doesn't matter if its the same as long as it's producing load on the ram
[12:06] <DonkeyHotei> i'm here because i can't figure out why fglrx won't start, not because i blew away the filesystem
[12:06] <ikonia> win5hit: it does matter if it's the same
[12:06] <SaberX01> win5hit, this may work, jsut ahve to create a ramfs first: http://www.jamescoyle.net/how-to/599-benchmark-disk-io-with-dd-and-bonnie
[12:07] <ikonia> disk IO testing is not the same as testing ram
[12:07] <win5hit> i've already created one, but i can't run bonnie on it
[12:07] <SaberX01> No, but I dont think you can ramfs test wihtout some level of Disk I/O happening.
[12:07] <win5hit> ikonia: but if the "Disk" is held in ram entirely... it's putting stress on ram, right? ;)
[12:07] <ikonia> more so when you're running from a livecd - that is already HELD IN RAM !!
[12:08] <ikonia> win5hit: wrong
[12:08] <ikonia> win5hit: more so from a livecd
[12:08] <ikonia> I'm off
[12:09] <win5hit> ikonia: I'm sorry, i can see you are annoied, it's not my attitude. i don't want to get acutal write speed values or smth. i just want to put stress on ram
[12:09] <bekks> win5hit: then run a memtest.
[12:10] <DonkeyHotei> win5hit: a time-tested way to put stress on ram is to recompile the kernel in a loop
[12:10] <hitsujiTMO> win5hit: if you "stress test" with ramfs you'll only end up locking up the kernel. As ramfs will eat everything it can can your kernel will lock up once you run out of ram
[12:10] <SaberX01> Memtest loads the ram more than any ramfs or liveCD ever would, it's designed for max utilization.
[12:10] <ikonia> bekks: honeslty...just walk away, he wants to measure ping round trips, while putting load on the ram - using a file system i/o loader ?????
[12:11] <win5hit> ok. i've already let memtest86 run several passes. i didn't get errors. but i can't tell if latencies increased because if i boot into memtest86 i've got no nics / ips to ping
[12:11] <bekks> ikonia: yeah, thats the best thing to do - walking away. I dont see the reason for his I/O stuff in RAM until now, too.
[12:11] <ikonia> bekks it's just stupid giving a false data result driven test,
[12:11] <win5hit> hitsujiTMO: i've chosen tmpfs and set the size to 50% ram size
[12:11] <bekks> ikonia: yeah.
[12:12] <DonkeyHotei> win5hit: memtest86 passes bad ram all the time
[12:12] <hitsujiTMO> win5hit: tmpfs utilises swap where possible. again will not do what you want
[12:12] <bekks> DonkeyHotei: memtest86 tests all the ram, it doesnt omit "bad" ram.
[12:13] <gordonjcp> "bad RAM" doesn't really exist any more
[12:13] <gordonjcp> it either works, or it doesn't
[12:13] <DonkeyHotei> bekks: let me rephrase that. it tests ram and the tests pass even when the ram has failed
[12:13] <gordonjcp> if the RAM is "bad" the machine generally won't even start POST
[12:13] <gordonjcp> DonkeyHotei: rubbish
[12:13] <win5hit> I've read the german wiki page. and there is written that i will keep data in memory as long as you are not going low on memory. thats why i only picked 50% of ram size
[12:13] <bekks> DonkeyHotei: Of course the tests pass, but you get the error messages what exactly couldnt be teste successfully.
[12:14] <gordonjcp> win5hit: that won't be enough to allow the system to hibernate, if you care about that
[12:14] <Eagleman7> I am getting the following error: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[12:14] <win5hit> gordonjcp: i don't care about that
[12:14] <gordonjcp> win5hit: why bother with swap then?
[12:14] <Eagleman7> I am getting the following error: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[12:14] <hitsujiTMO> win5hit, then you're not "stressing" the ram and invalidates your test
[12:15] <ikonia> Eagleman7 you've said that...
[12:15] <Eagleman7> Anything i can do to authenticate them?
[12:15] <ikonia> hitsujiTMO the whole test is wrong - but he doesn't seem to want to accept it
[12:15] <win5hit> gordonjcp: because i didn't find a flag to set a specific size for ramfs
[12:15] <ikonia> Eagleman7 which packages are they from which repo
[12:15] <demon^eye> what program should i use to open a chain RAR`s files?
[12:16] <gordonjcp> demon^eye: unrar
[12:16] <hitsujiTMO> Eagleman7: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get update
[12:16] <gordonjcp> win5hit: are you using ramfs?
[12:16] <allstarsnorks2> Hi guys
[12:16] <demon^eye> winrar?
[12:16] <demon^eye> i mean winrar for linux?
[12:16] <gordonjcp> demon^eye: unrar - read it carefully
[12:16] <allstarsnorks2> I am having a problem install gdm in my install of Ubuntu Server 13.10.
[12:17] <gordonjcp> allstarsnorks2: why are you installing gdm on a server?
[12:18] <demon^eye> gordonjcp, : u mean Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) ?
[12:18] <win5hit> gordonjcp: nope, right now i'm using tmpfs (because i didn't find a way to limit size of ramfs)
[12:18] <demon^eye> gordonjcp, : i taking it from Ubuntu software center
[12:18] <Eagleman7> ikonia, yeh had some problems with my ZNC: http://lpaste.net/8511464637558947840
[12:19] <gordonjcp> demon^eye: there should be a program called "unrar" in there.  I don't know what "u" is.
[12:19] <DonkeyHotei> demon^eye: just open the file and it should work, nothing special needed
[12:19] <ikonia> Eagleman7: your plex repo is pointing at the wrong release, which isn't a good start
[12:19] <Eagleman7> Seemed like running apt-get update fixed the authenticate issue
[12:19] <demon^eye> gordonjcp, : there isnt...
[12:20] <spud__> I've my "video" directory, months ago I deleted from there some videos, and now I wish to try to recover that (to check if maybe they still exists), is there a way to do a "ls" from a directory to see files that in the past was there?
[12:20] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei, : open with what ? "file roller" ?
[12:20] <gordonjcp> demon^eye: "apt-cache search unrar"
[12:20] <DonkeyHotei> demon^eye: yes
[12:20] <gordonjcp> demon^eye: what do you see?
[12:20] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei,  : 10x so i am set ... hate terminal commands ;)
[12:21] <allstarsnorks2_> like I said, I was installing GNOME on my install of Ubuntu Server.
[12:21] <demon^eye> gordonjcp, : sec will tell ya
[12:21] <DonkeyHotei> allstarsnorks2_: you never got to say why
[12:22] <sandhu> hi sir ,,, how to recover deleted photos from 10.10 ubuntu pl tell me ,,,i m in big trouble
[12:22] <gordonjcp> sandhu: photorec, testdisk
[12:22] <sandhu> how to download it
[12:22] <demon^eye> gordonjcp,  : i see dead ppl :D kidding i see that "unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)" and "unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files" and "unp - unpack (almost) everything with one comman "
[12:23] <DonkeyHotei> sandhu: boot with a live cd, use photorec
[12:23] <SaberX01> spud__,  not going to be an easy task.
[12:23] <hitsujiTMO> sandhu: boot a 12.04 live cd
[12:23] <SaberX01> !undelete | spud__
[12:23] <gordonjcp> demon^eye: pick one, probably unrar
[12:23] <sandhu> i m not having it
[12:23] <demon^eye> gordonjcp,  : i am using ubuntu 12 LTS default
[12:24] <demon^eye> gordonjcp,  :10x , any software to grab youtube vids and convert them inti mp4?
[12:24] <demon^eye> into
[12:24] <demon^eye> sry but i am new :)
[12:24] <hitsujiTMO> sandhu: you need to be using a supported version on ubuntu to be able to install any recovery tools. so you should boot 12.04 live iso
[12:24] <sandhu> sir  i m nt having boot cd
[12:25] <DonkeyHotei> demon^eye: i like "youtube hd suite" for that. search for it on the web
[12:25] <demon^eye> BTW : i am fighting my ass up to stick to linux (ubuntu ) and dont fall back to windows
[12:25] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei, : many 10x also much respect :)
[12:25] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei, : is it free?
[12:26] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: youtube-dl to download youtube vids. ffmpeg or avconc to convert
[12:26] <DonkeyHotei> just download it
[12:26] <sandhu> actually sir i m using ubuntu n windows 7 on same pc ,,,is it possible to recover it
[12:26] <bekks> sandhu: dualbooting or wubi?
[12:26] <thom_r> demon eye, I use All Video Downloader
[12:27] <sandhu> u r not getting it ,,,,,
[12:27] <bekks> sandhu: Unless you answer it, no.
[12:27] <SaberX01> Indeed
[12:27] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO, : all software i grab from ubuntu software center?
[12:28] <sandhu> i have lost all my photos on  ubuntu 10.10,,,,i m asking how to recover it
[12:28] <thom_r> demon^eye: use All Video Downloader.
[12:28] <DonkeyHotei> i answered what i was asked, and i got shoved aside
[12:28] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: all commandline software from ubuntu software centre
[12:28] <SaberX01> demon^eye, have a look at file-roller, I think that's a defautl install on UB and it has like 10 formats, rar being one of them.
[12:28] <bekks> sandhu: Use a 12.04 livecd.
[12:28] <bekks> sandhu: It has been said multiple times.
[12:28] <cfhowlett> !recover|sandhu,
[12:28] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : noted 10x :)
[12:29] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO,  : i dont see any "avconc" on ubuntu software center...
[12:30] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: youtube-dl will also most likely grab an mp4. it automatically pulls the best quality
[12:30] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: libav-tools i think it is. I prefer ffmpeg, but thats deprecated on ubuntu
[12:31] <thom_r> demon^eye: All Video Downloader will convert youtube videos to MP4 after you download it
[12:31] <sandhu> from where to get 12.04 livecd
[12:31] <bekks> sandhu: from www.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <thom_r> andgu: Ubuntu.com
[12:31] <thom_r> sandhu: ubuntu.com
[12:32] <demon^eye> thom_r, : any example for software name?
[12:32] <SaberX01> yeah, libav-tools provides avconc . dont see ti as a stand alone though.
[12:32] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO,  : where can i d.l youtube-dl from ?
[12:32] <thom_r> demon^eye: All Video Downloader is the name of the program
[12:32] <bekks> !info youtube-dl
[12:32] <DonkeyHotei> now, anyone have any idea what i missed installing that fglrx needs to not segfault?
[12:33] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: sudo apt-get installl youtube-dl
[12:33] <bekks> demon^eye: from the official repos.
[12:33] <demon^eye> thom_r,  : i can use script from user script also ... within chrome , but i prefer a software
[12:33] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: youtube-dl is rediculously simple you use as well as being rediculously reliable
[12:34] <win5hit> YES :) i finally ended up downloading a packet called stress, which is able to stress ram :) and: i can watch the same problem like running windows. so it's an operating system independet problem. mission accomplished. thanks
[12:34] <thom_r> demon^eye: open the software center and search for All Video Downloader
[12:34] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO,  : sudo apt-get installl youtube-dl doesnt work ...
[12:34] <thom_r> that is exactly what you are looking for
[12:34] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: sudo apt-get install youtube-dl
[12:34] <hitsujiTMO> demom: soo for the extra l
[12:34] <hitsujiTMO> sorry*
[12:34] <demon^eye> thom_r, : already do that , 2 many , just want to get 1 which most ppl use
[12:35] <thom_r> huh
[12:35] <thom_r> who cares what most people use, if it works it works
[12:35]  * DonkeyHotei drops a llama
[12:35] <demon^eye> thom_r, : what most use is working right ? that my idea :D
[12:35] <SaberX01> there's a Filter, for most popular or something like that in SW Center.
[12:35] <thom_r> if you're worried about what most people use then switch back to Windows
[12:36] <cfhowlett> demon^eye, statistically speaking, most people are idiots ...
[12:36] <demon^eye> LOL
[12:36] <bekks> cfhowlett: millions of flies cant be wrong... ;)
[12:36] <ewook> thom_r: That's really not a good advice.
[12:36] <cfhowlett> demon^eye, see thom_r's advice
[12:36] <SaberX01> cfhowlett, thats too fummy :-)
[12:36] <DonkeyHotei> cfhowlett: i feel like an idiot for asking for help in this channel
[12:36] <demon^eye> thom_r, : i mean what most ppl uses in linux... so it must working that it
[12:37] <thom_r> install All Video Downloader from the software center
[12:37] <SaberX01> Best and Most Popular not always same thing either.
[12:37] <cfhowlett> DonkeyHotei, I hope I've never given you cause to feel that way.  This is a LEARNING channel, so I welcome questions
[12:37] <thom_r> it does exactly what you want
[12:37] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei,  : idiot in one area doesnt make a human idiot
[12:38] <DonkeyHotei> demon^eye: we all have our strengths and weaknesses
[12:38] <demon^eye> anyhow ... is there any partition bacup for linux?
[12:38] <ewook> demon^eye: several.
[12:38] <ewook> !dd
[12:38] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei,  : yes , linux is only a minor side of life isnit? :)
[12:38] <demon^eye> ewook, : can u point some?
[12:39] <ewook> demon^eye: dd is one option.
[12:39] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: dd
[12:39] <demon^eye> dd ...
[12:39] <DonkeyHotei> well, at this moment, linux is what's giving me trouble in life
[12:39] <ewook> demon^eye: there's plenty of live cd's that makes it easy. clonezilla should be one.
[12:39] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: dd -> disk destroyer.       allows you to raw read a block device and write it to a file
[12:39] <demon^eye> DonkeyHotei,  : how come?
[12:39] <k1l_> demon^eye: if you ask for a unspecific one, dont blame others if you dont like the answer. make specific questions, that will lead to better answers
[12:39] <demon^eye> where can i d.l dd ?
[12:40] <DonkeyHotei> dd is a preinstalled command
[12:40] <ewook> demon^eye: normally you already have it.
[12:40] <demon^eye> haa
[12:40] <k1l_> demon^eye: dd is already included in ubuntu. just see "man dd" for the manual page
[12:40] <ewook> demon^eye: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29
[12:40] <SaberX01> dd is part of core-utils
[12:41] <demon^eye> ic ... a command line software
[12:41] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: you can also pipe dd to gzip if you want a compressed image of the drive
[12:42] <demon^eye> K1l : i like everybody reply , i am not in a position to decide what good or bad atm... :)
[12:43] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO,  : 10x... noted (when i be more advanced :D )
[12:43] <ewook> demon^eye: most useful things are commandline tools.
[12:43] <ewook> demon^eye: and sometimes they get a graphic wrapper.
[12:44] <demon^eye> ic ...
[12:44] <ewook> demon^eye: look up clonezilla's live cd if you wanna look at something graphical.
[12:44] <demon^eye> i dont mind command line but for backup/restore hd... its look little dangerous for newbie like me
[12:45] <demon^eye> ....clonezilla
[12:45] <ewook> demon^eye: I think that's the name of it. there are several around :).
[12:45] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: it unfortunately can be. clonezilla is a popular alternative
[12:45] <demon^eye> ewook, : where can i d/l it from?
[12:46] <ewook> demon^eye: www.clonezilla.org :)
[12:46] <demon^eye> ewook,  : gotya :D
[12:46] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: ubuntu sofware centre. sudo apt-get install clonezilla
[12:46] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: not really recommended if he wants the livecd
[12:47] <hitsujiTMO> ewook: you can install stuff on the ubuntu live cd too
[12:47] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: Thus, doing backups of full partitions should be done while the system is not alive.
[12:47] <Guest49724> Hello all, I am wondering if it is possible to move the unity bar to the bottom of the screen on 64 bit Ubuntu 13.10
[12:47] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO, : why idnot see clonezilla in ubucenter threw the "search" in the graphic way?
[12:47] <SaberX01> !backup | demon^eye, some other alternatives
[12:47] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: sure, but that means you have to do more stuff, than simply download an is.
[12:48] <ewook> SaberX01: nice ;)
[12:48] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: not use. i always install from commandline
[12:48] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: an iso even.
[12:48] <demon^eye> many 10x pips i wont ask at backup / restore atm its more advanced action than i am now..
[12:49] <hitsujiTMO> ewook: but he already has an iso - the ubuntu one. just needs to install clonzezilla :P
[12:49] <demon^eye> really respect your help... i will be back to "bother" you :)
[12:49] <bekks> demon^eye: then start reading the articles linked :)
[12:49] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: oh? Missed that part. sorry :)
[12:49] <demon^eye> bekks,  : i will ... i just ask some general question , just to know where did i land :D
[12:49] <ewook> demon^eye: that is what this channel is for ;)
[12:50] <demon^eye> not easy to switch from win to that
[12:50] <hitsujiTMO> ewook: how else could he have installed ubuntu?
[12:50] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: I thought he already had. :)
[12:50] <demon^eye> ewook,  : yep ..! but i dont like to bother ppl with RTFM question...
[12:50] <hitsujiTMO> ewook: yes. but he still has the iso :p
[12:51] <ewook> demon^eye: hah, well - that's why there's a bot in here prepped with FAQ/commonly asked questions :).
[12:51] <SaberX01> could have been a Net / PXE install .. tho unlikely :-)
[12:51] <ewook> hitsujiTMO: mjees. that that means starting to install something, that he needs to reinstall the second time he loads up the iso :)
[12:51] <ewook> SaberX01: I love my pxe ;)
[12:52] <demon^eye> ewook, : how do i axx the boot... to see some :D
[12:52] <demon^eye> all ic is links in the topic
[12:52] <ewook> demon^eye: Sorry, what boot?
[12:53] <SaberX01> think he means bot
[12:53] <ewook> oh!
[12:53] <SaberX01> hows does he as ubottu
[12:53] <SaberX01> *ask
[12:53] <demon^eye> BOT  < my mistake
[12:53] <ewook> SaberX01: would you mind introducing him to ubottu? :)
[12:53] <win5hit> thanks for your help, have a nice day!
[12:53] <ewook> demon^eye: no worries :).
[12:54] <demon^eye> got some e book on linux (in the basement :D ) time to pull up the big canon :D
[12:54] <demon^eye> be back
[12:55] <DonkeyHotei> the canonical canon
[12:55] <SaberX01> ewook, I a noob with ubottu ..
[12:55] <ewook> SaberX01: I keep forgetting everything.. and they have changed his triggers over the years as well :p.
[12:56] <SaberX01> !ubottu | demon^eye
[12:56] <ewook> Weey. Awesome! Better read up myself :p.
[12:59] <SaberX01> In the old days of Linux 1.x.x kernel days, you had to read for days to do anything, now, you do anything in minutes, and nobody ever read about things it seems.
[12:59] <fpghost84> Hi, I seem to be getting a number of ACPI errors in my syslog, and am trying to determine if they are anything to worry about or not. For example:  "ACPI Error: Gpe0Block - 32-bit FADT register is too long (32 bytes, 256 bits) to convert to GAS struct - 255 bits max, truncating (20121018/tbfadt-201)"
[13:00] <k1l_> !away > exdis
[13:00] <SaberX01> I think anyone wanting to really use Linux, should do the LFS project at least once through just to leant about things you never would otherwise.
[13:01] <ewook> Agreed :).
[13:01] <DonkeyHotei> most people aren't into learning
[13:01] <ewook> Agreed as well :(
[13:01] <k1l_> SaberX01: i think we are past that days, where you needed to be a "linux guru" to use linux. its a desktop OS now, for desktops users
[13:02] <bekks> fpghost84: Looks like a broken BIOS and/or a broken ACPI DSDT table. The only chances are updating your BIOS and/or building a custom DSDT table (which can be complicated and very time consuming).
[13:02] <SaberX01> fpghost84, May want to looky here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-raring/+bug/1262033