[01:13] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: question about irssi
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how do you identify yourself on Freenode. I'm trying to do "autosendcmd = "/^quote NickServ IDENTIFY password;wait 2000";"
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that doesn't identify my correctly so my cloak doesn't work
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> well that and the quotes are correct
[01:19] <crimsun> /ircnet add -autosendcmd "msg NickServ IDENTIFY pass" Freenode
[01:19] <crimsun> or whatever your current ircnet for Freenode is
[01:21] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: thanks, let me try.
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> no, that still has me cloakless. I wonder if this has anything to do with it "18:26 [Freenode]  freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect]  requested CTCP VERSION from admiral_chicago:"
[01:34] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see, i'm going to try something new.
[01:36] <crimsun> no, that's normal
[01:36] <crimsun> does it work if you invoke it manually?
[01:38] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, i think the issue is that i type /msg nickserv identify password
[01:38] <Admiral_Chicago> what if I add a line to the Freenode info:
[01:40] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i set it up. trying now
[01:43] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, that works. the problem is probably the cloak not saving
[01:49] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: how many channels are you autojoining?
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> 7 i think
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> 6 on freenode
[01:51] <gnomefreak> ok hold on i will post my config somewhere for you to look at to make it right
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> ty
[01:53] <gnomefreak> this is the first part that ids you to freenode this should be like the first section of the file http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/356328 i changed password for protection :)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> opps
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> you sure you don't want to give that out? :) let me check it
[01:54] <gnomefreak> give me a sec :(
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, that's how my config looks
[01:54] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/356333
[01:55] <gnomefreak> sorry missed a part
[01:55] <gnomefreak> it doesnt have anything that is unsafe to me
[01:57] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i had issues doing it the way they say so i used someone elses file and changed to my liking
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yea i used the guide someone posted on Planet Ubuntu but i'm going to do my own blog about how to use irssi
[01:59] <gnomefreak> good :)
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.ca/356347 should be all the relevant stuff
[02:00] <gnomefreak> yep for the most part but i would get rid of your password
[02:00] <gnomefreak> ok i have a conference call i need to give my attention too ill be back later.
[02:00] <Admiral_Chicago> oh man. terrible news. time to change it
[02:03] <Admiral_Chicago> changed my password. haha
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there daniel
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> how do we feel about the link to Fx pages
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Shouldn't Bug #14911 be fix commited
[03:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14911
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> brb.
[04:07] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to look at Bug #77272
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77272 in firefox "Firefox crash - maybe unresponsive script problem?" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77272
[08:35] <dfarning> asac, ping
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: just saw your comment on the blog. Many thanks
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> lol go to bed
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> its like 3am
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, no classes tomorrow, catching up on some work around here
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> fair enough :P
[09:51] <Admiral_Chicago> as you may have seen in your email, i went bug report stomping
[09:51] <AlexLatchford> yeah :)
[09:51] <AlexLatchford> Hehe I get to meet the Queen in April
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sweet
[09:53] <AlexLatchford> yeah, just got the letter saying I get my Queen Scout Award presented to me by her
[09:53] <AlexLatchford> should be good
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> whats that award for?
[09:54] <AlexLatchford> its the highest awarding UK scouting, has about 7 parts to it, taken me 3 years to get it finished
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> scouting? as in...outdoors type adventuring?
[09:57] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[09:57] <AlexLatchford> well not really in my case, my group mainly has a lot of parties
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> ah so in the states it's called Boy Scouts, very few people become Eagle Scouts.
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> that's a top honor, good work
[09:58] <AlexLatchford> oh right okay
[09:58] <AlexLatchford> yeah, well the group im in has about 50 of my mates in
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> is that big?
[10:00] <AlexLatchford> we are the biggest one in the country
[10:01] <AlexLatchford> our group is
[10:01] <AlexLatchford> so kinda
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> speaking of groups, you're in the Uk loco right
[10:03] <AlexLatchford> indeed
[10:03] <AlexLatchford> not too involved but read the mailing list
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay. i'm trying to make the chicago LoCo much larger, we have ~60 members but only about 10 of us are in regular development
[10:05] <AlexLatchford> well send an Email to Nik Butler, he is the head of the UK LoCo Team, there is about 30 emails from the list daily, so he seems to have done a good job getting people interestec
[10:07] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, that's awesome. we are workin on some really interesting stuff, one of which is a full video. i mean TV quality
[10:08] <AlexLatchford> nice, I would love to stay and chat but I got to go
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> see pa
[10:08] <AlexLatchford> talk to you later bud, and congrats again :)
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[11:24] <AlexLatchford> woop, my Ubuntu Cd's arrived
[12:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you have any questions about the firefox copyright/trademark thing?
[12:13] <asac> matt fowarded a request from you to me ... don't know if your questions are sufficiently answered for now
[01:37] <gnomefreak> good morning
[01:56] <asac> morning
[01:58] <asac> what do i need to do/install/setup when i don't get crash reports in edgy?
[01:59] <asac> first i want to document this ... second i really had a crash and didn't get any notification
[01:59] <asac> apport-gtk (and apport) is installed
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: are you on gnome?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> asac: if you are on gnome you only need ubuntu-desktop the rest should be installed that you need. including all apport packages. if on kde in edgy apport isnt used you would have to install it and the gtk depends with it but most apps should give you a crash. if not i would file a bug to find out why. pitti is the most adverse in apport that i am aware of.
[02:18] <gnomefreak> isnt sunbird  the mozilla(metapackage) replacement
[02:34] <gnomefreak> asac: i subscribed you to a bug about removing mozilla from feisty.
[02:57] <asac> does it still exit
[02:58] <gnomefreak> not sunbird i meant seamonkey
[02:59] <gnomefreak> i added the link to the bug report about removing mozilla from feisty. IMHO if we cant get seamonkey in feisty than wait till feisty+1 to remove mozilla and add seamonkey (assuming people use mozilla suite)
[03:00] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla/+bug/85335 is the bug im refering to
[03:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85335 in mozilla "[Remove]  Remove mozilla from feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:11] <asac> seamonkey is mozilla-suite ... yes
[03:11] <asac> its iceape in debian :)
[03:12] <asac> mozilla is in universe?
[03:12] <gnomefreak> yeah i think so let me check
[03:12] <asac> probably ship iceape instead :)
[03:12] <asac> for now
[03:12] <asac> ;)
[03:12] <asac> -> aka as debian downstream package
[03:12] <gnomefreak> yes universe
[03:12] <asac> rather then standalone packaged
[03:13] <asac> once feisty is out I might adapt seamonkey properly
[03:13] <gnomefreak> iceape is fine by me. i only mentioned seamonkey cause i knew it replaced it
[03:13] <asac> yes ... keeping mozilla would be not doable
[03:13] <asac> no security support at all anymore
[03:13] <asac> either remove or replace
[03:13] <gnomefreak> feisty released is gonna be a hard time to get that acked unless in backports for feisty
[03:14] <asac> yeah ... probably drop it ... i will approach motu folks :)
[03:14] <gnomefreak> ok cool :)
[03:16] <asac> i have to find out if shipping iceape in universe would be hard to chew on by mozilla corp
[03:17] <asac> don't want to risk good faith from their side, now that we work with them and let them review patches.
[03:18] <gnomefreak> true
[03:33] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please try if bug 85147 testcase crashes for you in ffox 3.0 ?
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85147 in firefox "SVG crashes Mozilla Firefox" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85147
[03:33] <gnomefreak> i got rid of ff 3.0
[03:33] <asac> k
[03:33] <asac> :)
[03:33] <gnomefreak> it was getting un usable at points
[03:33] <gnomefreak> unusable
[03:35] <gnomefreak> it works fine on feistys ff
[03:35] <asac> really?
[03:35] <asac> edgy crashes
[03:35] <asac> hmm ... probably a cairo thing then
[03:35] <asac> what is the cairo version on feisty?
[03:36] <gnomefreak> how do i find out?
[03:36] <gnomefreak> what package is it
[03:36] <asac> dpkg -l libcairo2
[03:36] <gnomefreak> 1.3.12-0ubuntu
[03:36] <asac> ah ... so new upstream version. Might really have fixed this
[03:37] <gnomefreak> you grabbed the version we built yesterday from upstream right?
[03:37] <asac> yes
[03:37] <asac> the orig.tar.gz ball to be exact
[03:37] <asac> is unmodified upstream
[03:37] <gnomefreak> than should we try to build for edgy
[03:38] <asac> i still have almost all patches we previously had
[03:38] <asac> doubt that this is the difference
[03:39] <asac> we cannot just rebuild because in edgy libhunspell is brokenly linked
[03:39] <gnomefreak> oh
[03:39] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/iwj/patches/
[03:39] <asac> those are the patches we ahve
[03:39] <asac> have
[03:40] <asac> not up-to-date (there are some more) though
[03:49] <gnomefreak> i cant even open my firefox in my chroot :(
[03:53] <gnomefreak> asac: why would i be getting (firefox-bin:4285): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display when trying to run firefox from edgy chroot?
[03:54] <asac> echo $DISPLAY?
[03:54] <asac> if that is not set enter chroot with
[03:54] <asac> -p (preserve enviornment)
[03:54] <asac> and run xhost localhost to allow access to your display
[03:54] <gnomefreak> there is nothing it gives blank line than back to prompt
[03:54] <asac> run xhost in main system
[03:54] <asac> yep
[03:55] <asac> you have to preserve enviornment when entering chroot
[03:55] <asac> for schroot its -p
[03:55] <asac> dunno for dchroot
[03:55] <asac> man dchroot i guess
[03:55] <gnomefreak> k
[03:56] <gnomefreak> i wasnt using the -d :(
[03:57] <gnomefreak> damn it is crashing on edgy
[03:57] <gnomefreak> and its not saving crash report to /var/crash in my chroot :(
[03:59] <gnomefreak> i did however get a generic error when it crashed
[03:59] <asac> as i said
[03:59] <asac> it does neither in my main system on edgy
[03:59] <asac> though default gnome install
[04:00] <gnomefreak> does all of X crash or is it just firefox on a main edgy install?
[04:06] <asac> just firefox :)
[04:06] <asac> hopefully we don't have to ask if X crashes as this should be really an exception
[04:08] <gnomefreak> it seems default ff in feisty untouched doesnt crash on that link either
[04:08] <asac> yep ... thought that
[04:08] <asac> its really cairo issue then I guess
[04:08] <asac> can we reassign?
[04:08] <asac> how is this done?
[04:08] <asac> in launchpad?
[04:09] <gnomefreak> asac: you tell me who to reassign to i can do it but if you click on the package name you can change who its assigned to
[04:09] <asac> yes, but how is it done in general?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> in what way? who would be assigned?
[04:11] <asac> -> libcairo .. i guess ... leave a note that this is gone in feisty, but still crashes on edgy with the backtrace posted in bug.
[04:12] <gnomefreak> asac: do you want the bug still on firefox? or just libcairo?
[04:14] <asac> don't know what common procedure is ... reassign and ask to re-reassign if they think its not appropriate or just add new package and see if they accept the bug?
[04:14] <asac> i think for ubuntu its the latter
[04:14] <gnomefreak> it is
[04:14] <asac> ok, so just add libcairo and reject as soon as they confirm that this was an issue
[04:16] <gnomefreak> sounds good. i was looking into the libcairo and im tempted to agree it is causing the issue.
[04:35] <AlexLatchford> asac: can you apply this to the Ubuntu Thunderbird also?
[04:35] <AlexLatchford> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/114-thunderbird-+-reply-to-list-...-here-it-comes.html
[04:36] <AlexLatchford> I cannot get it working correctly at the present moment, with <IP_ADDRESS> and Reply-to-list 0.2.0
[04:36] <asac> currently we have patch stop for mozilla apps
[04:36] <asac> AlexLatchford: yes it does not work
[04:36] <AlexLatchford> aha okay
[04:36] <asac> but if you want you can make your own package
[04:36] <asac> its simple
[04:36] <AlexLatchford> any work arounds?
[04:36] <asac> without patch it does not work
[04:36] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[04:36] <asac> you need just to drop the patch in debian/patches
[04:37] <asac> add the patch to debian/patches/00list
[04:37] <asac> and then build
[04:37] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:37] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[04:38] <asac> AlexLatchford: if you want to try I can give you the patch to drop in there
[04:39] <AlexLatchford> Hmm okay
[04:42] <gnomefreak> asac: easy enough just to list the patch by name in debian/patches and 00list?
[04:42] <asac> yep
[04:42] <asac> without the .dpatch suffix
[04:43] <asac> we should probably setup a wiki page
[04:43] <gnomefreak> just use the .xpi one?
[04:43] <asac> no ... the patch is in debian package :)
[04:43] <asac> icedove
[04:43] <asac> :)
[04:43] <asac> but I can give it
[04:43] <asac> have to setup a new sid chroot anyway
[04:44] <asac> ah ... its still there of course, only my home was deleted :)
[04:46] <asac> its in my people.ubuntu.com home now
[04:46] <asac> 91_replytolist.dpatch
[04:47] <asac> as soon as tbird is build with that patch, the .xpi will work
[04:48] <gnomefreak> i added it in 2.0 without an issue
[04:49] <asac> does it work?
[04:49] <asac> i so, patch probably landed for 2.0
[04:49] <gnomefreak> dont know waiting for a email to test it with
[04:59] <gnomefreak> im gonna try to add this patch i maight fail but ill try it :)
[05:00] <gnomefreak> asac: so drop the .dpatch all together so the name of the patch is now 91_replytolist?
[05:01] <asac> in 00list you add that without .dpatch ... right!
[05:01] <gnomefreak> ok and when i list it in /debian/[atches what do i name it?
[05:01] <asac> the same name that its named on webserver
[05:01] <asac> just drop it there :)
[05:02] <asac> and enable by adding name to 00list
[05:02] <gnomefreak> cool i might beablet o do this :)
[05:02] <gnomefreak> asac: when im done ill upload it for you to look at?
[05:02] <asac> sure
[05:03] <asac> what is the current version in changelog?
[05:03] <gnomefreak> k
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: its still downloading source atm when its done ill let you know
[05:03] <asac> yeah ... but you should see when downloading, don't you?
[05:03] <gnomefreak> if its 1ubuntu1 than i make it 1ubuntu2 if its dfsg i guess just up the number after it 1
[05:04] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[05:04] <gnomefreak> yes i do :(
[05:04] <gnomefreak> so i would change it to <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2
[05:04] <asac> just add +mt to the current one
[05:04] <asac> for mozilla team
[05:04] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1+mt
[05:04] <asac> should do
[05:04] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:05] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: did you need this on edgy also?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> or just feisty?
[05:05] <AlexLatchford> I am on Edgy
[05:05] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna build it for feisty now to make sure its all good :)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> if it works out i will try edgy build
[05:06] <AlexLatchford> coolio
[05:07] <gnomefreak> is there a bug wishlist on this or any bug on it?
[05:07] <asac> so do we have a meeting sometime? what is the planned frequency of meetings? once a month?
[05:07] <asac> gnomefreak: dunno ... search for reply list
[05:07] <asac> :)
[05:08] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:08] <gnomefreak> i havent thought of one yet but i would like one fairly soon within a week or 2 to see how far we got
[05:09] <gnomefreak> asac: what was the patch command again? the one i used to patch ff on my edgy system
[05:09] <asac> bug 52667
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52667 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird doesn't support RFC-2369 based Reply-To-List" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52667
[05:09] <asac> you don't need it for the dpatch
[05:09] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:09] <asac> as dpatch is a patch system
[05:10] <asac> if you ask because of that
[05:10] <asac> otherwise you use
[05:10] <asac> patch -p1 < /tmp/patchfile.patch
[05:10] <asac> if its a full patch patch
[05:10] <gnomefreak> i can use dpatch?
[05:10] <asac> dpatch will apply those patches listed in 00list during build
[05:10] <asac> you are using it already
[05:11] <asac> if you place the dpatch in dpatch dir, add name to 00list
[05:11] <asac> you are done
[05:11] <asac> :)
[05:11] <gnomefreak> k
[05:11] <asac> thunderbird build will extract tarball, apply patches and run build then
[05:13] <gnomefreak> can i do it simply by using cp to add it to debian/patches than just name it in 00list than build
[05:13] <gnomefreak> than when running dpkg-buildpackage it should build it in right?
[05:14] <asac> yes
[05:14] <gnomefreak> cool
[05:14] <asac> you will see after build has started that those patches get applied
[05:14] <gnomefreak> k
[05:15] <asac> at best insert the name (not append) ... in line with the number in its name
[05:15] <gnomefreak> i should have feistys uploaded today i hope
[05:15] <asac> good ... i will setup a sync maybe later tonight then
[05:15] <gnomefreak> k
[05:16] <gnomefreak> i would like a good or not good before i run edgys build (in best of conditions atleast)
[05:17] <asac> sure ... but if you just drop patch, document it in changelog then there might hardly be anything that you might do wrong
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:29] <gnomefreak> where do i find the numbers for the patch?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> or can i name it in 00list as 91_replytolist-patch
[05:36] <asac> its just 91_replytolist
[05:36] <asac> as the name MINUS the dpatch
[05:36] <asac> extension
[05:37] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:41] <gnomefreak> its building we will see what happens when done :)
[05:53] <gnomefreak> now my gnome-terminal scrolling break :( why would i think it would work
[06:04] <asac> breaks?
[06:04] <asac> too short history buffers?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> its not scrolling at all i have to pull it down
[06:15] <asac> you mean mouse wheel or by alt+pgup/down ?
[06:16] <asac> aeh shift-pgup/down
[06:16] <asac> sorry
[06:17] <gnomefreak> asac: not in irssi but in the terminal im building it the scroll bar isnt following the text. i have to slide it down
[06:17] <asac> ah
[06:17] <asac> ok
[06:17] <asac> press return once
[06:17] <asac> than it should follow again
[06:18] <asac> you can adapt the behaviour in preferences -> scrolling
[06:18] <asac> enable "on keystroke"
[06:18] <asac> thats what I have
[06:18] <gnomefreak> can i hit return during build?
[06:18] <asac> sure
[06:18] <asac> look what is set
[06:18] <asac> maybe a keystroke is enough
[06:18] <gnomefreak> enter fixed it :)
[06:18] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:18] <asac> np
[06:19] <asac> its actually good that it does not follow always
[06:19] <gnomefreak> should i name edgys tb +mt also?
[06:19] <asac> otherwise its hard to look if a certain thing worked the way you wanted
[06:19] <gnomefreak> asac: true
[06:19] <asac> hmmm i am unsure about the number
[06:19] <asac> let me think a few minutes
[06:20] <asac> lets append
[06:20] <asac> +mt-<distribution>
[06:20] <asac> +mt-edgy
[06:20] <asac> +mt-feisty
[06:20] <gnomefreak> so redo feistys?
[06:20] <asac> as release name appear to increase alphabetically we don't need a number
[06:21] <asac> no ... its important that people that upgrade from edgy to feisty will get feisties package
[06:21] <asac> ok
[06:21] <asac> yes
[06:21] <asac> rebuild
[06:21] <asac> sorry
[06:21] <asac> bug take
[06:21] <gnomefreak> can i kill it during build?
[06:21] <asac> +mt.feisty
[06:21] <asac> not a dash
[06:21] <asac> as this might get confused
[06:21] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:22] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: no i don't have any ? about trademarks
[06:23] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: but you asked mdz for clarification, right?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> mozilla-thunderbird (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1+mt.feisty)
[06:23] <asac> looks good i guess :)
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i fowarded our discussion to him
[06:24] <asac> oh ... so we have a loop :)
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[06:24] <asac> did I discuss this already with you?
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i did it wrong and ended up having to email his twice
[06:24] <asac> or is there something I should do in order to fix confusion on this topic?
[06:24] <asac> (within our team)
[06:25] <gnomefreak> do you want me to leave you maintainer?
[06:25] <asac> yeah ... maintainer doesn't change ... you add your name in changelog
[06:25] <gnomefreak> k
[06:25] <asac> this would make you appear in the changed-by field in launchpad
[06:26] <gnomefreak> k
[06:27] <asac> whats up with ubugtu
[06:27] <asac> netsplits?
[06:28] <asac> or live bug fixes?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> not sure i know seveas did it the first time
[06:28] <gnomefreak> he may be working on him
[06:28] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure, just noticed that now
[06:28] <asac> ok ... just happened a few times in last our
[06:28] <asac> hour
[06:29] <gnomefreak> if it continues ill ping him about it
[06:29] <asac> is that bot dedicated to our channel or is it a global one we have invited?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> its all over the place
[06:31] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i will try to improve wiki on the mozilla logos topic ... as soon as I have more concrete feedback from mozilla
[06:31] <gnomefreak> its in 16 channels atm but some plugins work in some channels and dont work in others
[06:31] <asac> ah ok
[06:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, I fixed one of the pages two days ago, hopefully I can get more done over the weekend
[06:34] <hjmf> asac: off-topic; I've just seen dfarning's email about tags prefix, so I'm going ahead with it
[06:34] <hjmf> but when I try to set mt-needreport tag launchpad asks:
[06:34] <gnomefreak> if you want to define it
[06:35] <gnomefreak> ?
[06:35] <hjmf> The tag "mt-needreport" hasn't yet been used by firefox (Ubuntu) before. Is this a new tag?
[06:35] <asac> we should definitly migrate existing tags as soon as we have registered
[06:35] <asac> go ahead
[06:35] <hjmf> k
[06:35] <asac> and maybe migrate current ones :)
[06:35] <gnomefreak> hjmf: yes should do it
[06:35] <hjmf> k, I'm starting now :)
[06:37] <asac> wonderful ;)
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, there seem to be a lot of crash reports related to kernel_vsync() or something like that
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> __kernel_vsyscall()
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> would it be feasible to create a meta report and mark those as dupes?
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> same thing for firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()
[06:44] <crimsun> that's a red herring
[06:44] <asac> there is nothing we can know from that
[06:45] <asac> they might be completely unrelated ... just having __kernel_vsyscall on top means nothing
[06:45] <asac> same for raise
[06:45] <asac> all crashes should go through raise
[06:46] <gnomefreak> mozilla-thunderbird (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.6.10+mt.edgy) seems a bit redundant?
[06:46] <asac> why?
[06:46] <gnomefreak> ubuntu0.6.10
[06:46] <gnomefreak> 6.10 ==edgy
[06:46] <asac> oh
[06:47] <asac> apparently they do it that way ... whats the feisty version you build now?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> +mt.feisty
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: can you show me how to look trace a crash report
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> in ~ an hour, it's lunch time here
[06:48] <asac> its difficult and there is no such thing like a general rule that can be used for all
[06:48] <asac> better ... we can go through existing ones you want to triage and I can tell how I would interpret them
[06:48] <asac> one just needs experience
[06:48] <asac> just ping me when you are back
[06:49] <gnomefreak> should i name feistys the same way with +mt at end?
[06:49] <asac> gnomefreak: no i mean the full version
[06:49] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.6.10+mt.edgy ... that is edgy
[06:49] <asac> how does it look for feisty?
[06:49] <gnomefreak> mozilla-thunderbird (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1+mt.feisty)
[06:49] <asac> ah .... ok
[06:50] <asac> then we can drop .feisty as well as .edgy again
[06:50] <asac> sorry
[06:50] <asac> but take care that you base you edgy build on
[06:50] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.6.10
[06:50] <asac> and not on <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[06:50] <asac> :)
[06:50] <asac> i am so sorry
[06:50] <gnomefreak> so just add +mt to the end of them
[06:51] <asac> yes ... like we started :)
[06:51] <gnomefreak> k
[06:52] <asac> ... now i am qa team member too :) ... what will be next?
[06:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:54] <hjmf> oh, how boring is to add those many mt- prefixes :S
[06:54] <asac> maybe write a script :)
[06:55] <asac> how many already have tags?
[06:55] <asac> lots?
[06:55] <hjmf> wget | sed | lynx .... no thanks not that many tags
[06:55] <hjmf> less than 40 ?
[06:56] <hjmf> just less than ten minutes or so, but it is boring!!!!
[06:56] <hjmf> lol
[06:57] <hjmf> mt-needinfo - we need additional information before proceeding with bug evaluation.
[06:57] <hjmf> from the user I guess
[06:57] <asac> yeah ... but thats quite redundant ... isn't it?
[06:57] <asac> i mean ... it does not help bug triage :)
[06:58] <asac> because all bugs that are in "need info" need some info ;)
[06:58] <hjmf> state needsinfo / tag needsinfo; yep a bit redundat
[06:59] <asac> maybe it is ment to be a catchall tag, like mt-really-tricky-we-dont-know-how-to-proceed-or-what-info-we-need
[07:00] <hjmf> lol
[07:03] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: is that all you are doing?
[07:03] <hjmf> atm yes
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> let me know if you start doing something else, i'm deleting these emails straight then
[07:04] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: did you take a look at the headers?
[07:04] <asac> you can filter bugs which you are no asignee on
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: link please, lunch now
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> but yes, will do
[07:05] <asac> X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=firefox; component=main;
[07:05] <asac>         status=Needs Info; importance=Undecided; assignee=mozillateam;
[07:05] <asac> thats the relevant header
[07:05] <asac> for bugs
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i misread that.
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> afk
[07:07] <asac> k
[07:11] <gnomefreak> building 2 packages at same time will make them both slower right?
[07:18] <gnomefreak> its not working on tb 2.0 :(
[07:33] <hjmf> I've ended with semi-automatic script ;)
[07:34] <hjmf> afk for a while
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> okay hjmf, no more bug work from you
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> just kidding, go nuts if you want
[07:45] <gnomefreak> damn dont say that ;)
[07:46] <gnomefreak> 52 out of 53 emails are from him
[07:46] <gnomefreak> and it goes to 2 emails (think i need to fix that
[07:47] <Admiral_Chicago> although, I have been going rampages myself as of late.
[07:48] <gnomefreak> thats true too
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> what are you trying to do with TBL
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> TB?*
[07:51] <gnomefreak> i am building edgys and feistys tb with the reply to list patch but i use tb 2.0 and installing the .xpi let me ad buttons but doesnt work
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see.
[08:22] <dfarning> Hey guys any experts in pulling out information from .debs out there
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: what are you trying to do?
[08:23] <gnomefreak> should beable to open it with archive manager and unpack it might have to unpack the data.tar and the control.tar
[08:23] <gnomefreak> the files should be in there
[08:23] <dfarning> I am a bit embarassed to admit this, but since I after switched from fedora to ubuntu i use synaptic too much
[08:23] <gnomefreak> lol
[08:24] <dfarning> What I am woking on is how to pull information about which packages are installed via the cl
[08:24] <gnomefreak> i use it for removeing kernels mainly rest is terminal
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: second
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: i think this is what you want to do, correct me if i'm wrong
[08:26] <dfarning> I am working on getting apport to extract information such "which flash is intalled and which version" so that the information will automatically be attached to issues
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> http://pastebin.ca/357529 << dfarning is that what you want?
[08:26] <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy
[08:26] <gnomefreak> dpkg -l
[08:28] <dfarning> ok thanks. I will look that stuff over and post what I got for your feedback
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> yup. gnomefreak  is correct   To list packages related to the editor vi(1): dpkg -l '*vi*'
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> from the man page of dpkg
[08:31] <gnomefreak> yeah its just dpkg -l vi
[08:31] <gnomefreak> or vim since vi opens vim
[08:31] <dfarning> dpkg, apt-catch, apt-get, aptitude.... at least I could get my head wrapped around rpm:)
[08:32] <gnomefreak> apt-cache has a bunch of them
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i've been reading a unix book lately, very useful
[08:32] <gnomefreak> like apt-cache show vim
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> that's a very useful one.
[08:32] <dfarning> which book
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Unix User's Handbook, second edition
[08:33] <dfarning> i'll look at it
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a good 1500 pages
[08:34] <gnomefreak> ubuntu book should have most of what you need :)
[08:34] <dfarning> Admiral_Chicago, btw thanks for the bug spam last night;)
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> just returning the favor dfarning
[08:34] <gnomefreak> it was hjm^f's turn today
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm always tempeted to buy it at the store. i know it's online but I like books best
[08:35] <gnomefreak> mako will be giving them away in NYC at uubuntucon(sp)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> and signing them
[08:35] <dfarning> Wisconsin to NY long way to go to get a book
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i read that on the planet.
[08:36] <dfarning> I do want to try to get to the dev conference that spring
[08:36] <gnomefreak> dfarning: agreed but its gonna be  big (talks,install feast, ect)
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> btw how does one get *on* the planet. I read about people that just got membership and are on the planet and it makes me jealous :)
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i really want to make it out to Ubuntu Live
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> where is it this year?
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: you have to set up an ssh and configure it to use your blog
[08:37] <gnomefreak> not sure yet
[08:37] <gnomefreak> theres a wiki on setting up planet
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> my network won't allow it, ssh is blocked on the school network.
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> no no, we have a planet. i mean Planet Ubuntu
[08:38] <dfarning> If we get Mozillateam going well enough maybe we can get sponsered;)
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> hopefully
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: yes planet ubuntu is what i meant
[08:38] <dfarning> Uds is in spain i this beginning of may
[08:39] <gnomefreak> dfarning: iirc they sponser 1 person not a full team
[08:39] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> really. hmm. oh spain, i want to go. /me will translate
[08:39] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[08:40] <dfarning> how did your package building session go the other day
[08:40] <gnomefreak> dfarning: doing it now
[08:40] <gnomefreak> again :)
[08:40] <dfarning> great
[08:40] <gnomefreak> ff is built i patched tb today and building them
[08:41] <gnomefreak> 30+ times over different .so files
[08:41] <dfarning> I want to learn enough packaging to submit good patches to asac for inclusion
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i would eventually like to be a MOTU
[08:42] <gnomefreak> me too but ff and tb are in main :(
[08:43] <dfarning> me too, but I also think my plate is full enough
[08:44] <gnomefreak> shouldnt it have built the source package :(
[08:45] <gnomefreak> the .debs .diff .dsc .changes are built but no source tar was built
[08:46] <dfarning> gnomefreak, sorry I have no idea how .deb packaging works.
[08:47] <gnomefreak> asac: is this bad? dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> see you gents i n a bit, I have class now then helping a Kubuntu user with an apt problme
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> have to make it over to his place but that's alrigh
[08:48] <dfarning> good luck with that
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> it's an apt-get -f install fix i think
[08:50] <gnomefreak> this is bad
[08:50] <dfarning> sounds good I be listening in on how to do the build too
[08:50] <dfarning> thanks
[08:50] <dfarning> what is going wrong?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> dfarning: edgys i think i found the issue but feisty didnt build source file :( so that cant be uploaded to ubuntu repos
[08:54] <gnomefreak> i get edgys build going
[08:54] <gnomefreak> got
[08:54] <dfarning> nice
[08:58] <gnomefreak> starting over on the feisty build i think i know what happened see ya in a few hours :)
[08:58] <dfarning> cu and thanks
[09:03] <asac> gnomefreak: are you stuck?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> asac: ill let you know later i think from running the buildpackage command screwed up the orig. source so im starting feisty over
[09:04] <asac> what
[09:04] <asac> no never
[09:04] <gnomefreak> when i ran it 3 times
[09:04] <asac> screws orig source up
[09:04] <gnomefreak> asac: it failed to build the source
[09:05] <asac> error message?
[09:05] <asac> ->pastebin ?
[09:05] <gnomefreak> dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload
[09:05] <gnomefreak> not that many lines
[09:05] <asac> thats not a problem
[09:05] <asac> thats fine
[09:05] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)
[09:05] <asac> yeah
[09:05] <asac> thats ok
[09:05] <gnomefreak> shit
[09:06] <asac> its because the orig.tar.gz already exists
[09:06] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:06] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage guesses this by version
[09:06] <asac> to force source inclusion you could pass -sa
[09:06] <asac> but you don't want that
[09:06] <asac> usually
[09:06] <asac> other then for the first upload of a new upstream source package
[09:06] <gnomefreak> well since i got ahead of myself and rm -rf builddir ill start over :(
[09:07] <asac> ok
[09:07] <asac> :)
[09:07] <asac> will take some time
[09:07] <gnomefreak> so dont use -sa?
[09:07] <asac> no
[09:07] <asac> only if its first upload
[09:07] <gnomefreak> yeah thats ok i got edgy building now
[09:07] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[09:07] <asac> doesn't matter if you don't upload to any auto processed archive anyway
[09:07] <asac> if you want to use dupload or dput for upload to your ftp server
[09:07] <asac> then it would help
[09:07] <asac> they upload files mentioned in .changes
[09:08] <gnomefreak> nah i got used to nautilus to upload to my ftp
[09:08] <asac> hehe
[09:08] <asac> but you might miss files
[09:08] <asac> dupload is at least worth a look
[09:08] <gnomefreak> is ther a page on it or shoul di just read the man
[09:09] <asac> hmm
[09:09] <asac> i think as you know what dpkg-buildpackage basically does man is more helpful to read about specific features
[09:09] <asac> aka switches
[09:09] <asac> otherwise -> debian new maintainer guide
[09:09] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:10] <gnomefreak> if all goes well i should have them both for you in morning :)
[09:10] <asac> ok ... will dive into something else for another :) ping me if you have anything
[09:10] <gnomefreak> k will do
[10:00] <omgponiezlol> Admiral_Chicago: remember to change FxNewVersion. no source compile
[10:43] <dfarning> asac, are you about?
[10:43] <asac> meeting
[10:44] <dfarning> ahh let me know when you are done please. I have a few questions;)
[10:50] <asac> sure ... might take some more minutes :)
[10:51] <dfarning> asac, np I just joined to see what is happening
[10:51] <asac> not much for mozillas:)
[10:52] <gnomefreak> asac: is there going to be?
[11:05] <dfarning> I just posted a blurb on apport  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport
[11:06] <dfarning> anyone raising their hand to write a bash script to determine which flash is installed?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> was i mistaken when i saw the part something about no more <somethingpackage> builds
[11:09] <gnomefreak> ?
[11:17] <dfarning> asac, Im off to see if I can follow the log of your build discussion with asac yesterday
[11:17] <dfarning> s/asac/ gnomefreak
[11:18] <gnomefreak> k any questions i should beable to answer if not he can :)
[11:18] <dfarning> ty
[11:18] <dfarning> bye
[11:18] <gnomefreak> bye
[11:19] <asac> so dfarning is off?
[11:19] <asac> or just temporarily?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> temporarily i think
[11:34] <asac> ok ... back with throttled power :)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> also i dont think i will be attaching the difs to the bug because it says its leaving the patches out of it but i will look at it.
[11:39] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you enjoy? building packages?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:39] <asac> or patching them and building afterwards
[11:39] <asac> ?
[11:39] <asac> great!
[11:39] <gnomefreak> sick i know
[11:39] <asac> no its good ... :)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> patching isnt too bad
[11:40] <asac> patching is simple ... preparing patches is the hard part :)
[11:40] <gnomefreak> agreed :)
[11:40] <asac> but patching is one step in the right direction
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: you want orig. source uploaded?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> im uploading edgy's build :)
[12:08] <AlexLatchford> sending out an update?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> tb update for edgy is being uploaded to my server
[12:09] <AlexLatchford> aha nice, whats it contain?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> asac: in about 30 minutes you can have edgys tb http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/Thunderbird-Edgy/
[12:09] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: the replyto patch
[12:10] <AlexLatchford> nice, it going to be sent out to everyone?>
[12:10] <gnomefreak> replytolist patch even
[12:10] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: yes he has to sync it to repos after he grabs it from my site
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac: it maybe a bit longer looks like the orig. tar is gonna be about 2 hours
[12:11] <AlexLatchford> nice
[12:11] <gnomefreak> i should have feisty's uploaded tonight some time.
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: anyone has upstream nighly for tb installed?
[12:12] <asac> 2.0 ?
[12:12] <asac> beta?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: im up-to-date 2.0
[12:13] <gnomefreak> but no ubuntu build
[12:14] <gnomefreak> if you need me to test something i can when i get home. just give me link to bug and what i need to do :)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ill be back in about an hour
[12:16] <dfarning> asac, where is the debian/patches dir in firefox?
[12:17] <asac> non exists
[12:17] <asac> ;)
[12:17] <asac> wait a sec
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: getting the newest package now
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll test it and try to look at some of the bug reports
[12:19] <dfarning> are all of the patchs inline? yikes
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i help read Bug #85447
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85447 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85447
[12:20] <asac> dfarning: unfortunately yes ... for feisty+1 i will consolidate this
[12:21] <asac> e.g. same layout for thunderbird and firefox
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> does it have all the relevant stuff in it?
[12:21] <asac> then I will add patchsystem
[12:21] <asac> for now i have patches here:
[12:21] <dfarning> ok
[12:21] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/feisty/firefox-patches.<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1/
[12:21] <asac> those accumulated are the same as diff.gz
[12:21] <dfarning> got it
[12:22] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: is the package already available?
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> checking now
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> my sources are updating
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> slow network..
[12:24] <asac> can we add links for packages we support to launchpad mozillateam page?
[12:24] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: ask dfarning, he runs that
[12:25] <asac> dfarning: ^^^
[12:25] <dfarning> checking