[00:01] <jedijf> JonathanD: i'll keep you posted; still waiting to hear from prez. he said he had 'ideas'
[00:02] <jedijf> JonathanD: but i am thinking the lobby area could be an "this is irc; use it before you die" area
[00:52] <JonathanD> ok.
[00:52] <JonathanD> jedijf: I'd love to help, if you think there is a way I could.
[00:53] <JonathanD> jedijf: is the stuff at the same place?
[00:53] <JonathanD> giant
[00:53] <jedijf> yep
[00:53] <JonathanD> Ok
[00:54] <JonathanD> jedijf: let me know if I can be of any use :)
[00:54] <jedijf> JonathanD: will do. ty
[03:14] <jthan> ChinnoDog: touchpoint?
[03:32] <ChinnoDog> yes
[03:47] <jthan> What is it?
[03:54] <ChinnoDog> something that leads your urmom jokes.
[03:55] <jthan> I don't think so
[03:55] <jthan> pleia2: are you still rocking xubuntu or what?
[03:56] <pleia2> of course!
[03:57] <jthan> Latest version?
[03:58] <pleia2> I've been doing the website
[04:00] <jthan> . . .  ?
[04:00] <pleia2> for xubuntu
[04:00] <pleia2> I don't know what you're asking
[04:00] <jthan> Like xubuntu.com?
[04:01] <pleia2> yes
[04:01] <jthan> Are you using the latest version? (question mark)
[04:01] <jthan> :-p
[04:01] <pleia2> using natty and lucid
[04:02] <jthan> I haven't used xfce in a long time.
[10:19] <JonathanD> morning.
[10:23] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:23] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[10:25] <rmg51> o/
[11:07] <InHisName> Howdy everybody
[11:29] <JonathanD> hello
[13:11] <ChinnoDog> morning--
[13:19] <teddy-dbear> hi sleepyhead ;-)
[13:24] <ChinnoDog>  this morning is dysfunctional
[13:38] <rmg51> only this morning?
[13:55] <ChinnoDog> especially this morning
[13:59] <ChinnoDog> so sleepy
[13:59] <ChinnoDog> I might need coffee today
[14:01] <JonathanD> mmm coffee
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> ugh. Now I'm asking people about downtime from last night that I caused myself.  Need coffee.
[14:03]  * JonathanD makes a pot.
[14:03] <teddy-dbear> silly ChinnoDog
[14:15] <JonathanD> I think I'll get some food.
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> I reject the office coffee. </coffeesnob>
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> I added lots of creamer and sweetener to this cup, but it will be my last.
[14:23] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I aquired a kuerig
[14:23] <JonathanD> or howevers it's pelled
[14:23] <JonathanD> spelled
[14:23] <JonathanD> geez
[14:24] <rhpot1991> not a fan of them for tea, also I don't drink coffee so I wouldn't know how they are for that
[14:24] <ChinnoDog> I have one of those at home
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> They are ok for tea. I only buy the tea k-cups because I am lazy.
[14:25] <rhpot1991> well tea leaves need room to expand, those machines use pressure not space
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> I only drink coffee a couple times a week so k-cups work well because it stays fresh
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> I know, but... lazy!
[14:26]  * rhpot1991 is a tea snob
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> I'd rather brew some yerba mate with stevia leaves but I don't want to take the time
[14:28] <rhpot1991> slightly dated images of my setup at work: http://imgur.com/Avvffl&Vt0OL
[14:28] <rhpot1991> http://imgur.com/Avvff&Vt0OLl
[14:29] <JonathanD> the price per cup is sort of lame.
[14:29] <JonathanD> But I like the butter toffee
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> I like swiss chocolate almond
[14:29] <JonathanD> I liked that too.
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> The Gloria Jeans coffee is the best
[14:29] <JonathanD> Only had one, though.
[14:29] <JonathanD> I haven't really found a good place to get the stuff.
[14:30] <rhpot1991> ChinnoDog: issue I have with stevia leaves is they become bitter over time and I like to resteep
[14:30] <rhpot1991> normally I don't sweeten the later steeps too
[14:30] <ChinnoDog> Once you drink all the sweetness out of them what would you expect to happen? :-p
[14:30] <rhpot1991> ChinnoDog: ya thats my point, sweetners work better outside of the teapot
[14:31] <ChinnoDog> I don't resteep, I just make big pots
[14:31] <rhpot1991> ChinnoDog: you are missing out, 2nd and 3rd steeps are normally better than the first
[14:32] <rhpot1991> mate thats hit or miss though, and I still do flavors there so thats a bad example
[14:37] <JonathanD> that was yum food.
[16:01] <jedijf> bubbakoo's burritos...not bad
[16:05] <n2diy>  findsmb shows the wired connections to my router, is there a command to show the wireless connections?
[16:09] <JonathanD> Foods time.
[17:13] <cosmicpizza> hi there
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> hey pal
[17:14] <cosmicpizza> where is my wordpress folder please, i see it only in var/www
[17:14] <cosmicpizza> on my own server
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> that is where it is.
[17:14] <cosmicpizza> hummmmmmm
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> usually in /var/www/wordpress
[17:14] <cosmicpizza> not this one
[17:15] <MutantTurkey> what do you have in /var/www?
[17:15] <cosmicpizza> i have wordpress but ...............
[17:15] <MutantTurkey> but? explain.
[17:15] <cosmicpizza> i try to find it in system
[17:16] <cosmicpizza> i think this is loading in my system
[17:16] <MutantTurkey> it should be in /var/www/
[17:16] <cosmicpizza> not in other place too you think ?
[17:16] <cosmicpizza> (i like your pseudo)
[17:16] <MutantTurkey> my nick? xD
[17:17] <cosmicpizza> your nickname sorry
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> is wordpress working on your website?
[17:17] <cosmicpizza> yes
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> because if it is, then that mean's its installed in /var/www/!
[17:17] <cosmicpizza> ok
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> /var/www/ is the location that your web server looks for files in.
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> so my website mutantturkey.com/index.html is really /var/www/index.html on my server
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> comprende?
[17:18] <cosmicpizza> so you don' t think it' s loaded in other place ?
[17:18] <cosmicpizza> ok je comprends
[17:18] <cosmicpizza> i understand
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> :)
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> it's there almost certainly.
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> don't you see it there?
[17:19] <cosmicpizza> i can see it in var/www effectively
[17:20] <cosmicpizza> (i think with a mutant turkey and a cosmic pizza we can do a real big thing for the world)
[17:21] <MutantTurkey> bahaha
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> mutant turkey pizza?
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> you're barking up the wrong tree.
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: saw some chatter on the ML recently about some sort of meeting?
[17:34] <jedijf> irc meeting tomorrow night
[17:35] <MutantTurkey> what hour?
[17:35] <jedijf> 8:30
[17:35] <jedijf> pm
[17:35] <MutantTurkey> ok. I'll hop on from my phone.
[18:20] <cosmicpizza> what kind of phone can connect to irc ?
[18:21] <jedijf> any android
[18:21] <cosmicpizza> ok
[18:21] <pleia2> pretty sure the iphone has irc apps too
[18:21] <jedijf> damn you
[18:21] <cosmicpizza> and iphone can do it ?
[18:21] <jedijf> yes
[18:21] <rhpot1991> anything with a web browser
[18:21] <rhpot1991> if you use something like cgiirc or qwebirc
[18:22] <cosmicpizza> all right
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> what app do you guy used?
[18:23] <jedijf> connectbot
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> I use some AndroIRC but its alright
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> connectbot kept crashing.
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> also my updated twitter app is crashing all over the place :[
[18:23] <rhpot1991> conenctbot to ssh in, then andchat to connect to my bip instance
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[18:24] <rhpot1991> that said I don't care for irc on the phone much
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> FTFY
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> I don't care for phones much
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> also, my pants just ripped in the crotch and I have to wear them till i get home.
[23:00] <ChinnoDog> @seen PennBot
[23:22] <ChinnoDog> Is there no doctor that can fix PennBot?
[23:22] <ChinnoDog> His recent illness leaves me wondering.
[23:33] <rmg51> Teddy is really worried
[23:34] <rmg51> he's afraid jthan will eat all the cookies with out PennBot ana all the laws
[23:48] <jedijf> pacsbot is newer than the repo'd Supybot-<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:49] <jedijf> that's pacsbot version


[06:47] <Belutz> hi all
[06:56] <highvoltage> hi Belutz
[06:56] <Belutz> hi highvoltage
[06:56] <highvoltage> meeting this morning?
[06:56] <Belutz> have you seen jsgotangco?
[06:57] <Belutz> i don't think there's a meeting today
[06:57] <rob1> ho there isn't
[06:57] <highvoltage> i just woke up.
[06:57] <highvoltage> he doesn't seem  to be on-line.
[06:57] <rob1> s/ho/no
[06:57] <highvoltage> nope, his jabber is off too.
[06:57] <Belutz> do you know any ubuntu member near indonesia?
[06:57] <highvoltage> Belutz: how did you get thet ubuntu/member/belutz mask?
[06:58] <Belutz> there's a debian conference in indonesia, and i thought it would be nice if someone from ubuntu could come
[06:58] <rob1> highvoltage, you have to be a member
[06:58] <Belutz> highvoltage, ask Seveas for the mask
[06:58] <highvoltage> rob1: i am
[06:58] <Belutz> rob1, highvoltage is already a member :)
[06:58] <highvoltage> Belutz: ok, thanks
[06:58] <rob1> cool, just ask Seveas then :)
[06:59] <rob1> apparetly the next lot will be done around the 22nd
[06:59] <Belutz> yup
[06:59] <highvoltage> the next lot?
[07:00] <rob1> he does them in batches
[07:00] <highvoltage> ah, the irc masks.
[07:41] <MarioMeyer> Belutz> there was a member from indonesia accepted on the last meeting
[07:41] <Belutz> MarioMeyer, yes, that was me
[07:41] <MarioMeyer> :P
[07:41] <Belutz> :p
[07:41] <MarioMeyer> my bad :P
[07:42] <Belutz> np :)
[08:33] <highvoltage> i think Belutz, rob1 and I were memberised at the last meeting.
[08:34] <rob1> yep


[03:15] <tsimonq2> Anyone from the CC online?
[03:16] <tsimonq2> pabs> where is the best place to report a spammer on Planet Ubuntu? Brandon Holtsclaw's site seems to have been taken over by spammers
[03:16] <tsimonq2> Also
[03:17] <tsimonq2> "could you also take care of notifying Brandon if he is still an Ubuntu member?"
[03:18] <tsimonq2> I could easily just remove his blog, as I'm an Ubuntu Member, but I'd really rather not unless the CC (or someone I trust equally as much) tells me to (or does it themselves).
[03:18] <tsimonq2> (and Ubuntu Members have commit access etc.)
[11:36] <popey> tsimonq2: yeah, anyone can do that. I did it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/revision/1865
[14:50] <CoderEurope> Is rocket chat down ? what do I type to get to the right room ? http://imgur.com/J7N3Wm0
[14:55] <CoderEurope> pavlushka: ping ......
[15:09] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Is rocket chat down ? what do I type to get to the right room ? http://imgur.com/J7N3Wm0
[15:11] <CoderEurope> willcooke, ping
[15:11] <willcooke> CoderEurope, hi
[15:12] <CoderEurope> hi - see the question above ?
[15:13] <willcooke> Sorry, no idea.  I dont use it
[15:14] <CoderEurope> willcooke: well could you ping someone who may help ?
[15:14] <willcooke> No, I dont know who runs that service
[15:16] <CoderEurope> does popey have an idea about how to get onto ubuntu rocket chat - if you cannot find the room name ?
[15:16] <popey> hello
[15:16] <popey> what if you click "more channels..." ?
[15:18] <popey> you should get a list of channels appear.
[15:20] <CoderEurope> popey, yeah - I cannot see Ubuntu channel listed - http://imgur.com/9F6hgZp
[15:20] <popey> which channel were you looking for?
[15:20] <pavlushka> CoderEurope: pong :)
[15:21] <pavlushka> Good day popey  :)
[15:21] <popey> hello pavlushka
[15:21] <CoderEurope> popey the main one - off rocket.ubuntu.com
[15:22] <popey> not sure there's a main one
[15:22] <popey> i mean, there's a bunch of channels for different topics
[15:23] <popey> there's #community, #general, #snapcraft and a bunch of others
[15:24] <CoderEurope> Okay well the #general "Ubuntu" channel does not come up then - when I go through this page ..... https://archive.fo/bzcXs
[15:24] <CoderEurope> Where should I file a bug ?
[15:26] <popey> http://imgur.com/J7N3Wm0
[15:26] <popey> the general channel is right there
[15:26] <popey> on the left of your screenshot
[15:27] <CoderEurope> Ah okay - no problem - got it now - thank-you popey :D
[15:27] <popey> np
[16:53] <tsimonq2> popey: Thanks, I'm glad someone else did it. :)


[16:51] <jck77> hello everyone
 Morning
 Hidie ho
 @AdamOutler
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxPgia7-QRg&t=28s
 I suppose that was a restore operation, Keith?
 ?
 What's the watch you have now?
 Fossil Founder Q
 I call dibs 😛
 Sorry @AdamOutler
 There are now 1001 pictures in this chat and that's the worst one.
 I dont think so
 Yeah well, that's the only one that requires me to spend money
 I suppose it's relative to if you were me or not
 Correct, it is the only one that does not require me to spend money


[08:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[22:40] <diddledan> the doctor has her new friends: https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/922214897013985281
[22:41] <daftykins> Bradley Walsh, uwot
[22:41] <diddledan> aye
[22:42] <daftykins> i just updated a clients spare server to 16.04 over SSH then turned it into a nextcloud host ;D got letsencrypt going with his domain by creating a CNAME to his home dynamic DNS host \o/


[05:39] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:24] <jamespage> coreycb: dealing with the cmake foobar in queens-proposed now (we need a newer version for debhelper compat 11)
[12:28] <ahasenack> rbasak or cpaelzer, hi, could one of you please (re)import ubuntu-advantage-tools into git? I think it's out of date there
[12:29] <rbasak> Looking
[12:30] <rbasak> Importing
[12:30] <ahasenack> thx
[12:32] <rbasak> ahasenack: it's still running but didn't seem to take anything new
[12:33] <rbasak> ahasenack: https://code.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/+git lists it as updated just now.
[12:33] <rbasak> ahasenack: did we just race the importer?
[12:33] <rbasak> Or did cpaelzer just do it?
[12:33] <ahasenack> rbasak: anyway, it looks fine now
[12:34] <ahasenack> but odd that we would have raced the importer, since there were no new uploads in weeks
[12:34] <rbasak> You're right
[12:34] <rbasak> Perhaps we raced cpaelzer :-)
[12:34] <ahasenack> or maybe I missed a --force in my previous pull
[12:34] <ahasenack> thanks anyway
[12:34] <rbasak> It's definitely just been pushed to
[12:46] <ahasenack> rbasak: I'm getting a debian/patches warning with this repo: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26529688/
[12:46] <ahasenack> rbasak: to my knowledge there shouldn't be such a directory (it's a native package), much less an empty one
[12:46] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: rbasak: I didn't import it
[12:46] <cpaelzer> not in a racy manner at least, maybe weeks ago but not today
[12:46] <ahasenack> it exists here, though: https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/tree/debian/patches
[12:52] <coreycb> jamespage: oh that's a pita
[13:17] <ahasenack> rbasak: cpaelzer: there is something wrong with my MP to ubuntu-advantage-tools (https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+git/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+merge/337213), I could use some assistance
[13:17] <ahasenack> fyi the diff is showing "new" files like debian/rules (!)
[13:17] <ahasenack> or debian/tests/control
[13:17] <ahasenack> but they exist already in the git repo, branch ubuntu/devel (https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/tree/debian/tests/control)
[13:18] <slashd> how one can test a partman-partioning patch using a PPA ? So far I have tried to build partman-partitioning and then d-i within the same PPA and redirect the installer to my PPA using "apt-setup/overlay ..." but without success.
[13:20] <ahasenack> slashd: maybe you need to create a new iso. I know simpoir has done that to test a landscape-client patch for a bug that happened inside the ubuntu server install, he might have scripts to help doing that
[13:21] <slashd> ahasenack, tks will ping him
[13:23] <rbasak> ahasenack: I don't follow what's going on there either.
[13:23] <rbasak> Maybe a Launchpad bug or oddity?
[13:24] <rbasak> #launchpad might be the place to ask
[13:24] <ahasenack> ok
[13:26] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I don't see d/rules as new file
[13:26] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: maybe it was an artifact while still updating the diff?
[13:26] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: in launchpad?
[13:27] <cpaelzer> yes
[13:27] <cpaelzer> on https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+git/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+merge/337213
[13:27] <cpaelzer> I thought that was what you linked
[13:27] <cpaelzer> ... yes it was
[13:27] <ahasenack> I just reloaded
[13:27] <cpaelzer> 3 hits for debian/rules - all ok
[13:27] <ahasenack> it's still showing, for examplple, debian/rules (+6/-0)
[13:27] <rbasak> I see preview diff c05adda into ae690c9 on 2018-02-06
[13:27] <rbasak> Line 117
[13:27] <cpaelzer> same preview hashes
[13:27] <cpaelzer> for me
[13:27] <rbasak> diff --git a/debian/rules b/debian/rules
[13:27] <rbasak> new file mode 100755
[13:27] <rbasak> index 0000000..0cd4e1d
[13:27] <rbasak> --- /dev/null
[13:27] <rbasak> +++ b/debian/rules
[13:27] <jamespage> coreycb: I think its a straight backport - just waiting for the arm arch to build and will re-test ceph
[13:28] <coreycb> jamespage: that'd be nice
[13:29] <cpaelzer> not for me
[13:29] <cpaelzer> ah well now I see
[13:29] <cpaelzer> yeah the header is null vs d/rules
[13:29] <cpaelzer> but the content is just fine
[13:29] <ahasenack> but it's treated as a new file
[13:29] <cpaelzer> or is that just that small of a d/rules
[13:29] <ahasenack> all lines are new
[13:29] <cpaelzer> checking the actual mp
[13:29] <cpaelzer> just a sec
[13:29] <ahasenack> that's the whole d/rules
[13:29] <cpaelzer> oh I see
[13:30] <ahasenack> the only diff should be in the flake8 line
[13:30] <ahasenack> from: 	flake8 tests
[13:30] <ahasenack> to: 	python3 /usr/bin/flake8 tests
[13:31] <ahasenack> and that's what you see if you do "git diff ubuntu/devel" while on my branch
[13:31] <cpaelzer> yeah I checked git diff c05adda ae690c9 -- debian/rules
[13:32] <ahasenack> git diff bionic-version-14..ubuntu/devel -- debian/rules
[13:32] <ahasenack> shows the correct thing
[13:32] <cpaelzer> yep
[13:32] <cpaelzer> which are the names for the hashes I used
[13:32] <ahasenack> even better
[13:32] <cpaelzer> but also the same hashes that LP displays
[13:32] <cpaelzer> odd
[13:33] <coreycb> jamespage: i'm fixing up heat-dashboard to include the js files
[13:33] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: do you mind submitting the same in a new branch name?
[13:33] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: to see if it is reproducible
[13:34] <ahasenack> basically git checkout -b new-name; git push ?
[13:34] <ahasenack> and make a new mp?
[13:34] <cpaelzer> yep
[13:34] <ahasenack> ok
[13:34] <cpaelzer> we could also use resubmit proposal, but I'd keep the broken one for later analysis by LP team
[13:35] <ahasenack> same thing
[13:35] <ahasenack> https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+git/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+merge/337215
[13:35] <ahasenack> diff is updating still, but the "31 files modified" again shows debian/rules as a new file
[13:36] <cpaelzer> I refreshed and see it - same problem
[13:36] <ahasenack> I'll delete it
[14:40] <jamespage> coreycb: I need todo some sort of bootstrap dance for networking-bagpipe/bgpvpn right?
[14:40] <coreycb> jamespage: yes. i wasn't sure if i should upload directly to -proposed so i didn't touch that.
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> cpaelzer: Thanks for that vagrant review!  I'll look at it soon.
[14:41] <coreycb> jamespage: if you upload 8.0.0~b3-0ubuntu1 of both first, then you'll be able to upload the latest versions once those publish
[14:42] <cpaelzer> Odd_Bloke: y
[14:42] <cpaelzer> y
[14:42] <cpaelzer> damn
[14:42] <cpaelzer> yw
[14:42] <jamespage> coreycb: ok - I'll delete current versions and direct upload to -proposed
[14:42] <cpaelzer> IRC stutter
[14:42] <coreycb> jamespage: ok thanks
[14:47] <Odd_Bloke> cpaelzer: Hah, I hadn't nominated it for series because I didn't think I could; turns out I can!
[14:48] <cpaelzer> use your powers Odd_Bloke
[14:52] <Odd_Bloke> cpaelzer: So I went for ubuntu1 because ubuntu0.1 suggests a security fix to me; more than happy to change it, just explaining my thought process. :)
[14:52] <Odd_Bloke> But I couldn't quite decide (and eventually just went with what dep3changelog produced. :p)
[14:53] <cpaelzer> I knew
[14:53] <cpaelzer> Odd_Bloke: the format it creates for the LP ref is unique
[14:53] <cpaelzer> so one can see that it was dep3changelog
[14:53] <cpaelzer> :-)
[15:07] <cpaelzer> Odd_Bloke: force pusher :-P
[15:19] <cpaelzer> Odd_Bloke: reviewed the new code and acked
[15:19] <cpaelzer> Odd_Bloke: added a hint to reuse on the SRU template
[15:20] <cpaelzer> Odd_Bloke: do you need me to sponsor this?
[15:21] <cpaelzer> I assume you are in ubuntu-cloud-uploaders, so I guess not
[15:36] <jamespage> coreycb: ah
[15:36] <jamespage> python-sphinxcontrib.blockdiag (>= 1.5.4), python-sphinxcontrib.seqdiag (>= 0.8.4)
[15:36] <coreycb> jamespage: gah, what's that from. that is my fault.
[15:36] <Odd_Bloke> cpaelzer: :)  I _think_ I'm fine.
[15:36] <coreycb> jamespage: my handy new tool is too precise ;)
[15:36] <jamespage> coreycb: that was from the networking-bgp/bagpipe stuff
[15:37] <coreycb> jamespage: oh i thought i got rid of that
[15:38] <jamespage> coreycb: do I just need to skiptest each one
[15:38] <coreycb> jamespage: yes, for the first upload and then they'll be good to run tests next upload
[15:39] <coreycb> jamespage: maybe you can just do that with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[16:27] <nacc_> coreycb: jamespage: buildl profile?
[16:31] <jamespage> nacc_: yeah I was pondering that but don't quite know how to get that to happen in a PPA
[16:34] <nacc_> jamespage: yeah there is a way, let me see if i can find it
[16:34]  * jamespage sighs
[16:34] <jamespage> coreycb: I messed up with the versioning...
[16:34] <jamespage> fixing now...
[16:36] <nacc_> jamespage: oh maybe it was just being discussed as possible (by the LP folks), sorry
[16:36] <nacc_> possible to implement
[16:36] <nacc_> I just did it "in archive" for PHP by commenting out stuff, then re-adding it
[17:28] <Scott0_> im getting uncompression error system halted during both full iso and with the mini using usb
[17:29] <Scott0_> memtest shows no errors with memory
[17:29] <Scott0_> im not sure where to go from here
[17:30] <Scott0_> does it try to uncompress to disk or to memory during install?
[17:30] <TJ-> Scott0_: have you verified the image on the USB device is not corrupted?
[17:31] <Scott0_> yes
[17:31] <Scott0_> I compared to checksum
[17:31] <Scott0_> im using rufus to write the usb from iso
[17:32] <Scott0_> I assume it does a check before it says its completed
[17:32] <Scott0_> maybe a bad assumption :/
[17:32] <Scott0_> but I've tried the mini afew times and the regular iso a few times
[17:33] <Scott0_> is this just a matter of memory bad or the usb being corrupted?
[17:34] <Scott0_> is there a version of the installer that's smaller where I can download packages from the net to complete the install?
[17:35] <Scott0_> I read one page that talked about the dvd drive being sda and causing conflict with where ubuntu expected to decompress the image
[17:36] <Scott0_> but that seems unlikely
[17:53] <TJ-> Whenever I've had a doubt I've generated a hash of the image on the USB device itself to be sure it's not corrupt. If that is fine it suggests there's some I/O errors during reading the device, or as you've suggested, RAM problems
[17:53] <Scott0_> yeah I've tried 4 different usb drives
[17:54] <Scott0_> and memtest ran for 24h with no errors
[17:54] <Scott0_> im gonna try an ubuntu livecd and see if I can get that to install. I read that there is no difference in the server and desktop kernel now
[18:08] <teward> there isn't in the kernel.  there's difference from the overhead needed to run the system.
[18:08] <teward> (GUI is evil!)
[18:08] <Scott0_> I know
[18:08] <Scott0_> im confused as to why there is even a gui on a server install...
[18:08] <Scott0_> that seems silly
[18:09] <teward> (there isn't, it's a TUI)
[18:09] <Scott0_> tui?
[18:09] <dpb1> text user interface!
[18:09] <teward> text-based user interface.
[18:09] <Scott0_> odd I remember it loading a gui a while back for server install
[18:09] <teward> instead of a graphical user interface.
[18:10] <teward> Scott0_: never has had a GUI installer for Server.  GUI is Desktop only.  You *could* run a server via the GUI installer, but...
[18:10] <teward> the GUI adds headaches.
[18:10] <Scott0_> so I could use a desktop livecd to install server?
[18:10] <dpb1> Scott0_: it shouldn't be warned, the live image as of today hits this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1747723
[18:10] <Scott0_> can I avoid the gui install?
[18:10] <dpb1> Scott0_: but, as long as you are not testing bionic, you will be fine.
[18:11] <teward> Scott0_: I would use the server ISO if you want a non-GUI installation prompt
[18:11] <teward> the desktop ISO and server ISO also install different default packagesets in the OS, mostly GUI and such software instead of the 'bare minimum' needed for servers
[18:13] <Scott0_> teward, im having an issue installing from the server iso
[18:13] <Scott0_> black screen
[18:13] <Scott0_> if I use vga=ask and then continue, I get an uncompression error system halted
[18:20] <Scott0_> wow, I tried with the livecd and I still get an uncompression error
[18:20] <teward> sounds like you have a bigger problem than just the ISO used for installing
[18:20] <Scott0_> yeah
[18:20] <Scott0_> if not memory what else could it be?
[18:21] <Scott0_> is it maybe something with ahci?
[18:21] <teward> Scott0_: have you confirmed that you have valid ISOs, verifying the sums against known good ones?
[18:22] <Scott0_> yes
[18:22] <Scott0_> every time
[18:22] <teward> have you run memtest or something to actually test your RAM to determine if it's bad or not?
[18:22] <teward> i know it sounds like stupid questions, but i arrived late :)
[18:22] <Scott0_> yes ran 24h with no errors
[18:22] <Scott0_> 32BG 4 sticks total
[18:25] <Scott0_> the ahci bios does say something on boot about being only for sata and dvd drives
[18:26] <Scott0_> would this cause issue with the usb?
[18:27] <Scott0_> I have not tried as IDE yet, but I didn't intend to install without ahci
[18:30] <Scott0_> nevermind, uncompression error on IDE also :/
[18:30] <Scott0_> memtest can load to memory and so can freedos, why can't ubuntu?
[19:08] <Scott0_> it could be that every usb disk I write is corrupted
[19:08] <Scott0_> what would cause that?
[19:11] <sarnold> usb sticks are notoriously crap
[19:14] <apb1963>  ubuntu 16.04...  hostapd exits prematurely.   some details here: https://pastebin.com/GcNS6V4J
[19:15] <nacc_> !crosspost | apb1963
[19:15] <apb1963> nacc_, yes... many are... and many aren't.
[19:16] <apb1963> nacc_, I was addressing those that aren't.
[19:16] <nacc_> apb1963: so ... ignoring the faq.
[19:17] <apb1963> nacc_, I'm curious... how old are you?
[19:17] <nacc_> apb1963: why does that matter?
[19:17] <nacc_> apb1963: please stay ontopic
[19:17] <apb1963> nacc_, just curious if your attitude can be attributed to your age.
[19:20] <nacc_> apb1963: i'm not sure what attitude you have a problem with. You crossposted a question, which we try to discourage, and I pointed you to the reasoning not to do that.
[19:22] <apb1963> You mean because of the overwhelming number of questions being asked here?  The tremendous activity?
[19:22] <nacc_> apb1963: no, and that's not the reason cited in the faq.
[19:23] <sarnold> because it's annoying as hell to work with someone in one channel while they're getting different advice in another channel.
[19:23] <apb1963> sarnold, And if I were getting advice in another channel... I wouldn't ask in a second one.
[19:24] <nacc_> !patience | apb1963
[19:24] <nacc_> apb1963: so one or both of those FAQs apply.
[19:24] <apb1963> I didn't repeat it, I asked it elsewhere.
[19:24] <nacc_> apb1963: you asked in #ubuntu
[19:24] <apb1963> yes... yes I did.
[19:24] <nacc_> apb1963: then rather than wait for an answer there, you posted in a *different* channel
[19:25] <nacc_> apb1963: so you were both impatient and crossposted.
[19:25] <apb1963> I waited long enough to see that nobody was going to respond in a reasonable period of time.
[19:25] <nacc_> apb1963: 6 minutes?
[19:25] <apb1963> yep
[19:26] <apb1963> I should wait for hours?  Days?  What is acceptable to you oh king?
[19:26] <nacc_> apb1963: alright, I hope you have a nice day.
[19:26] <apb1963> you too
[20:17] <Scott0_> teward: when writing to the usb with passmarks imageUSB, I did receive errors on writing to the usb and numerous failures on the verify operation
[20:18] <Scott0_> teward: im gonna try a new usb with imageUSB and ubuntu server and see if I have better luck
[20:20] <Scott0_> odd that rufus doesn't do verification after the write
[20:30] <Scott0_> success!


 just fyi, mi problem with kernel 5 is solved in 5.1.0-050100rc3-generic
 when trying to clone lubuntu-default-settings warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout.
 @HMollerCl [when trying to clone lubuntu-default-settings warning: remote HEAD refers to non …], That's expected
 Just cd into it and git checkout ubuntu/disco
 cd into what? my lubuntu-default-settings dir is empty
 git clone https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings.git
 that's what I'm cloning
 or just add '-b ubuntu/disco" to your git clone line
 @acheronuk [or just add '-b ubuntu/disco" to your git clone line], ^
 @HMollerCl [cd into what? my lubuntu-default-settings dir is empty], No it isn't
 It has .git in it :)
 @acheronuk [or just add '-b ubuntu/disco" to your git clone line], i.e. checkout that branch when you clone
 @tsimonq2 [Just cd into it and git checkout ubuntu/disco], or this. your clone did not fail. just the checkout of a default master branch did. the folder is still a git repo, but you just need to cd into it and checkout a valid branch
 thanks @acheronuk
 @tsimonq2 remember to merge the fix for kubuntu
 Yup
 I just woke up :)
 @tsimonq2 [I just woke up :)], 11 am?  :P
 @acheronuk [11 am?  :P], Yeah yeah :P
[23:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGSe630804cd2f6: Set tap to click as default for touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGSe630804cd2f6
[23:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGSa66c6d009f49: Set tap to click as default for touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGSa66c6d009f49


[04:13] <ScottK> NCommander: Did your kdebase-workspace upload get done?
[04:13] <NCommander> yes
[04:13] <NCommander> It built
[04:14] <NCommander> Now the rest of KDE FTBFS
[04:14] <NCommander> woo
[04:14] <ScottK> OK.  One step at at time ....
[04:16] <NCommander> at least the build-deps cleared
[04:17] <ScottK> OK.  I saw POX sponsored your python-qt4 changes to Experimental.
[04:17] <ScottK> NCommander: Did you see if it got tagged in svn?
[04:18] <NCommander> no idea
[04:18] <ScottK> NCommander: Usually POX expects the sponsoree to tag it, so you might check.
[04:18] <NCommander> Well, the changelog in SVN was set to UNRELEASED
[04:18] <ScottK> If that's a problem for you, I can do it.
[04:18] <NCommander> so he would have had to change that to sponsor it
[04:19] <ScottK> OK.  You gonna take care of it?
[04:28] <NCommander> ScottK, I really don't know enough about pkg-python-modules to feel really confortable doing it
[04:36] <ScottK> NCommander: I'll take care of it.
[04:38] <ScottK> NCommander: It was tagged.  Just checked, so it's all good.
[04:38] <nixternal> glade88|AFK: keep on rockin' them blog posts...had no idea it was you :)
[04:38] <nixternal> wasabi you freaks!
[05:17] <nixternal> 23:13:44 [nixternal] drawing attention to the phone is not a good idea, especially when you are so small...some bigger person who is a complete idiot will notice it faster and come take it from you
[05:17] <nixternal> 23:14:59 [   booboo] u can get a gel case or skin for ur blackberry! and if some big person wants to take it from me ill put dora on it
[05:17] <nixternal> hahahahahahahhaha, my own 12 year old daughter just owned me
[12:15] <colomar> hi
[12:19] <colomar> I have a quick question: Does anyone happen to know which version of kpackagekit and libpackagekit-qt will be used in jaunty and how to get it? I will be evaluating kpackagekit's usability but I don't know if the version currently available in kde-apps (0.3) will be the one used. How can I find out who's in charge of the integration into kubuntu jaunty?
[12:21] <Nightrose> colomar: i think either NCommander or nhandler packaged it
[12:26] <colomar> Nightrose: Thanks. Since they're both here, I'll probably get an answer soon
[12:27] <Nightrose> i hope so - and thanks for doing the review
[12:35] <Riddell> colomar: did you e-mail Anthony Mercatante <tonio@ubun tu.com> ?
[12:35] <colomar> Yes I did
[12:36] <colomar> Didn't get an answer yet
[13:26] <Tm_T> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/1653/. mount -t proc proc /proc
[13:26] <Tm_T> + echo 'pbuilder: debootstrap failed'
[13:26] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[13:42]  * NCommander returns to work on porting KDE 4.2
[13:43] <NCommander> Riddell, maybe with a little luck I can finish the rest the core KDE modules today
[13:46] <Riddell> NCommander: ARM stuff? think there's a lot to be ported?
[13:46] <NCommander> Everything left is FTBFSing
[13:46] <Riddell> fooey
[13:46] <NCommander> But I having seen anything fendish
[13:46] <NCommander> Such as the kde4bindings or kdebase-workspace
[13:46] <NCommander> Just standard cast fixes
[15:11] <cbr> so when will kopete support MSN again?
[15:12] <Tm_T> cbr: it does
[15:12] <delicowa> i wanna be a part of the kubuntu development team how doi start
[15:12] <cbr> Tm_T: huh?
[15:12] <cbr> in jaunty?
[15:14] <cbr> i can't add an MSN account
[15:14] <Tm_T> delicowa: #kubuntu-devel
[15:14] <Tm_T> cbr: ah, there's no libmsn packaged, yet
[15:15] <cbr> there is a libmsn0.1
[15:15] <cbr> has been there for a while
[15:15] <cbr> but that doesnt change anything
[15:16] <cbr> so i'm a bit puzzled about that
[15:16] <Tm_T> cbr: hmmm, thats too old
[15:17] <Nightrose> delicowa: what do you want to do?
[15:17] <cbr> so kopete doesn't have msn support in 4.2 beta2?
[15:17] <Tm_T> delicowa: sorry (:)
[15:18] <Tm_T> cbr: it does if you build it yourself
[15:18] <cbr> so the reason it doesnt in kubuntu is that the libmsn is too old?
[15:19] <Tm_T> cbr: yes
[15:20] <Tm_T> cbr: it must be libmsn-4.0-beta2
[15:20] <cbr> no ppa with the appropriate stuff or smth?
[15:20] <Tm_T> not that I know
[15:21] <cbr> aha
[15:22] <cbr> it seems that it was released just monday
[15:38] <Tm_T> cbr: oh, it's finally released? neat =)
[15:41] <vorian> where is the new queue (link)?
[15:45] <cbr> Tm_T: the beta2
[15:45] <cbr> not the final, it seems
[15:45] <cbr> documentation on launchpad is very scarce.. no changelog etc
[15:45] <cbr> not launchpad.. sourceforge
[16:12] <Tm_T> cbr: yes, beta2, beta1 didn't help on this
[17:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: bit tricky this Qt, because of its nature
[17:46] <danimo> blizzzek: also @c3?
[18:04] <danimo> Tm_T: how do you get to this conclusion?
[18:26] <Tm_T> danimo: trying to make sure the patches I remove aren't needed and issues those fixes are fixed
[18:26] <Tm_T> and because Qt is in so big role, it's not easy task, you know
[18:28] <danimo> Tm_T: ah, so it's from a packaging POV
[18:29] <Tm_T> danimo: indeed
[19:19] <cbr> hmm.. it's rather confusing what you need to have in place to get gem/dri2
[19:19] <cbr> you need the .28 kernel
[19:19] <cbr> you need a current intel driver for example..
[19:19] <cbr> now do you need the yet-to-be-released mesa as well?
[19:19] <cbr> and the xserver 1.6?
[19:21] <cbr> and can you even then get gem? since only UXA uses it and that and like phoronix also confirmed that's a failboat pretty much
[19:21] <cbr> *-and that
[19:57] <danimo> hi Czessi_
[19:57] <danimo> Czessi_: around?
[20:49] <nixternal> Mez: yay mutt! irssi + bitlbee == love just so you know :)
[20:50] <nixternal> I just reconfigured my send-hooks in mutt with new signatures
[20:50]  * nixternal goes shopping


[00:03] <dies_irae> hei
[00:03] <dies_irae> kubuntu install 11.10 got an effup bug
[00:21] <BarkingFish> dies_irae: What happened?
[00:31] <Kurdistan> does kubuntu have kubuntu backports active by default?
[00:40] <almoxarife> Kurdistan:  dont think so, i had to check it in synaptic
[00:40] <Kurdistan> almoxarife, thx.
[00:46] <alpha-aquilae> hello everybody. I have a file in my desktop which name is written in strange characters "  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  ��� ��Ӄٴ� ������", chan i try do delete it, it says "the file or folder /home/... does not exist". how can I delete this file?
[00:46] <James147> alpha-aquilae: anything else in teh folder?
[00:48] <alpha-aquilae> James147: it is in my desktop, yes there are ather folders, I tried to move it to another folr so that I can delete it with -f * but I can't move it
[00:49] <Kurdistan> have you tried sudo su
[00:49] <Kurdistan> then move to your directery
[00:49] <Kurdistan> then
[00:49] <Kurdistan> rm package
[00:49] <Kurdistan> file
[00:49] <FloodBotK3> Kurdistan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:49] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: I can't write the name in terminal, even using autocompletion
[00:50] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, I had that problem ones. but I honestly do not remenber what I did to remove it.
[00:51] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, you can try do what I said from livecd with kubuntu
[00:52] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, you can press: alt+f2. then type: kdesudo dolphin
[00:53] <Kurdistan> from dolphin go to your desktop and try to remove it.
[00:53] <Kurdistan> try this before using livecd.
[00:55] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: it doesn't work. what how can i livecd help me doing that?
[00:56] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, did you really try with kdesudo dolphin?
[00:56] <James147> alpha-aquilae: you can try "rm -i ......." (with the numver of dots being the number of chars in the file name) do an "ls ....." first to see what it will remove
[00:56] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: yes, it says "the file or the folder does not exist"
[00:56] <James147> Kurdistan: sudo or kdesudo wont help, its a problem with the charaters in the name
[00:57] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, okey try this: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[00:57] <Kurdistan> maybe you need to have owner priv. over the file
[00:57] <James147> Kurdistan: the problem isnt with permissions its with refenceing the file na,e
[00:57] <alpha-aquilae> James147: exactly
[00:57] <Kurdistan> James147, yes I now. I hade the exact same problem. one of the things I bring it up solved for me.
[00:58] <Kurdistan> for me it was some pdf files that did not wanted be removed
[00:58] <James147> alpha-aquilae: have you tried "rm -i ......." ? . is a wild card for any character so put as many dots as there are chars in the name (-i means interactive so should ask you before deleteing a file)
[00:59] <Kurdistan> okey any one kubuntu-backports are it enabled by default in kubuntu?
[01:00] <James147> alpha-aquilae: sorry, its ? not .  in bash :)
[01:00] <alpha-aquilae> James147: ok
[01:00] <James147> alpha-aquilae: "rm -i ????????" (or how ever meny chars)
[01:00] <Kurdistan> one thing. kubuntu 11.10 with 4.7* is for me lot faster then kubuntu 11.04
[01:00] <Kurdistan> thats cred to devs
[01:01] <alpha-aquilae> James147: ls commands shows that name "??? ???? ?ხ??.doc",  rm -i ????????????????? did not work
[01:02] <James147> alpha-aquilae: *.doc?
[01:02] <alpha-aquilae> James147: yep
[01:02] <James147> what dose rm -i *.doc say?
[01:02] <James147> (or "ls *.doc")
[01:03] <alpha-aquilae> James147: done the file is deleted. know I have a folder with the name "??? ??Ӄٴ? ??????/"
[01:03] <alpha-aquilae> James147: now not Know ^^
[01:04] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236012 read this
[01:04] <James147> alpha-aquilae: "rm -i *" :) though I would make sure anything important is move out first
[01:05] <alpha-aquilae> James147: thanks, worked with rm -Ri ???
[01:05] <alpha-aquilae> James147: Kurdistan thank you guys :)
[01:05] <James147> sorry, eyah, "rm -ri *"
[01:08] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, did it help?
[01:14] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: yes it works!
[01:14] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, :) nice. which of the command lines?
[01:15] <Kurdistan> good for other to know
[01:15] <alpha-aquilae> to delete the doc file "rm *.doc", and to delete the folder "rm -Ri ????"
[01:16] <James147> -ri
[01:16] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, okey. so James147 tips helped.
[01:16] <Kurdistan> now bad time :)
[01:16] <Kurdistan> bye
[01:16] <alpha-aquilae> bye
[01:16] <James147> o case dosnt matter for -r :p
[01:16] <alpha-aquilae> James147: yep
[01:22] <zacarias> is it wise to install a 12.04 release? If it works, will it be possible to upgrade when the stable release coms out?
[01:23] <dies_irae> BarkingFish: crashes during 'Configuring Hardware'
[01:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> zacarias,  it will be stable with the updates when it comes out
[01:26] <James147> zacarias: if you keep it uptodate then it will be upgraded to the final realase, however you should expect it to possibally break horribally at some point
[01:26] <zacarias> mydogsnameisrudy: ok, thanks
[01:26] <zacarias> James147: ok
[01:33] <dies_irae> or am I the only one??
[03:51] <katie_> hi
[03:51] <katie_> quitters..
[03:51] <katie_> ;)
[04:21] <geri> hm what is causing this issue? http://codepad.org/SAeKiFJr
[04:58] <DarthFrog> geri:  [ 1803.802672] sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.
[04:58] <DarthFrog> Do that.
[04:58] <DarthFrog> i.e edit the file /etc/sysctl.conf and insert the line "net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 " then try again.
[04:58] <geri> DarthFrog, i solved it now by removing the packat dhcpcd
[04:58] <geri> what is netfilter?
[04:59] <DarthFrog> kernel firewall
[04:59] <geri> how is this related to dhcpcd?
[04:59] <DarthFrog> no idea.
[04:59] <geri> and my to my module?
[04:59] <DarthFrog> no idea, I just read the output.
[05:13] <geri> DarthFrog, why do i get this error? http://codepad.org/MvmaNgMs
[05:13] <geri> there should be a header existing?
[05:48] <adflinux> Hola q  tal!!
[05:48] <adflinux> saludos  a todos!!
[06:17] <Gerald> how can i isntall linux-headers-3.0.0-14-generic ? how is this package called?
[07:07] <datruth_> Why doesnt the windows +d shortcut work in kubuntu?
[07:13] <hansg01> datruth: many shortcus dnt work with kubuntu
[07:13] <datruth_> I see
[07:14] <datruth_> How can I configure that shortcut?
[07:14] <hansg01> datruth: assign to the app
[07:15] <datruth_> yeah I'll continue to google hopefully  I find something
[07:21] <datruth_> hrmm darn I think I'll go with whats easier and just installed the ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <datruth_> ahh nvm
[07:24] <datruth_> hidden away in the settings
[07:38] <fanti> hi! i'm looking for a repository which still has the sun's java packages?
[08:54] <bazhang> robbit10, whats the issue
[08:55] <robbit10> bazhang: Thanks for responding :). Atm, it's just a simple question about KDE's Activities system that I asked in #kde.
[08:55] <robbit10> But there was a problem I had a while ago with the authorization not working.. and nobody in here responded.
[08:56] <bazhang> ok
[08:56] <robbit10> anyway, this was my question:
 How do I make certain applications open in certain Activities by default?
 do I need to save my session?
[08:56] <bazhang> robbit10, any specific error messages would be helpful; in tracking down the issue
[08:57] <robbit10> bazhang: Well, the authorization problem has been fixed, by getting help in #ubuntu.
[08:58] <robbit10> bazhang: It's just that I don't see myself using kubuntu for very long with it's support channels having so many idle users.
[08:59] <bazhang> robbit10, well, what I usually do is post here, and while I wait post to askubuntu.com ubuntuforums and the like
[08:59] <robbit10> bazhang: Good idea :)
[09:01] <bazhang> support is likely to be more patchy on the weekends especially as this is all volunteer
[09:06] <robbit10> bazhang: What's KDE and kubuntu IRC support like on weekdays, then?
[09:15] <liudas> hello could anyone help with svn+ssh
[09:15] <liudas> i can't submit translations anymore
[09:16] <liudas> even proceed svn update command
[10:02] <bbeck> liudas: I had thought pretty much most of the KDE projects had moved to git for versioning.
[10:06] <ralf_> hello
[10:06] <ralf_> i'm developing an application on kubuntu using Lua and Qt and I would like to install systel wide global shortcut keys to control my app
[10:06] <ralf_> *system
[10:07] <ralf_> i'm looking at a number of options, such as installing it in x11, or using the KDE applet
[10:08] <ralf_> not much success so far, can anyone help?
[10:10] <martell> There is a programm in the KDE software library that claims to do it. I've never tested it however
[10:11] <martell> autokey
[10:14] <ralf_> not sure that would be what I want, i would like to avoid dependency on external programs
[10:14] <ralf_> ideally I would install an X11 shortcut from my program
[10:15] <bazhang> !info autokey-qt
[10:29] <ralf_> what about xgrabkey?
[11:16] <meho> hi @ all
[11:16] <meho> i have trouble with my virtual box so i want to reinstall it
[11:17] <meho> if i use sudo aptitude remove virtualbox virtualbox-qt
[11:17] <meho> nothing will deinstall and i dont know why
[11:17] <meho> can somebody help me please ?
[11:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> meho, what is the problem with virtualbox
[11:50] <meho> ahh its done  my mistake was i did try to delet config file with "rc " infront of the name
[11:50] <meho> thank you
[11:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok
[11:56] <merlin1991> Is there anything I can do about regular plasma desktop segfaults?
[11:57] <James147> merlin1991: you can try restting it to its default settings (by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*)
[11:58] <merlin1991> James147: I never touched the settings though :/
[11:59] <merlin1991> it just segfaults in my face in random intervals wihtout any logical reason
[11:59] <James147> merlin1991: anything you change in it will cause it to write to those configs
[11:59] <merlin1991> yeah but my changes I did are 2 global shotrcuts
[12:00] <merlin1991> apart from that the system still looks like it was when I installed it from the cd
[12:00] <merlin1991> looks like as in I really changed nothing neither in config files nor in the gui
[12:00] <James147> merlin1991: its still worth a try to rule out bad configs...
[12:00] <merlin1991> odd thing is that most of the crashes happen when I try to shut down
[12:01] <merlin1991> though I could still try, any ideas beyond nuking the configs?
[12:02] <James147> merlin1991: its could be a widget... though finding out which (if it is one at all) could be a pain
[12:02] <merlin1991> no additional widgets besides the ones that come with a default install
[12:03] <James147> merlin1991: i assume you are fully uptodate?
[12:03] <merlin1991> yep
[12:08] <ace_> I just installed Kubuntu on my PC, and I cannot get the software center to open up. I tried to report the bug, but when I go to install the debug symbols it says "Another application seems to be using the package system at this time" But I have nothing else open. Here is the crash info: http://paste.ubuntu.com/811773/
[12:08] <pedro> hola
[12:09] <pedro> hola
[12:09] <pedro> alguien de españa
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning BluesKaj
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hi mydogsnameisrudy
[13:15] <InvaderZim> Hello, I'm getting annoyed the few past months with KDE4 (kubuntu). It got ultra slow since the last major upgrade. Now almost every slick takes at least 5 seconds to display a message box. To shut down, after clicking the shutdown icon, it takes, no kidding, almost 20 seconds for the dialog to appear (the screen the ghost box fades and blur effects, but the actual window box doesn't show, and the hard drive keeps reading like hell until it appe
[13:15] <InvaderZim> ars.) And this same pattern has been going on with numerous other simple message boxes, windows, etc. Getting tired of it, no minor updates are fixing it.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  have you checked system monitor for any apps hogging your cpu / memory
[13:21] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: hmmm not really lemme check
[13:21] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: sys monitor has a gnome look to it, is that right?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  kmenu>apps>system>system monitor
[13:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm funny i have 2 system moniors listed
[13:24] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: yep that it, i have 2 too
[13:24] <BluesKaj> you guys come over from gnome ?
[13:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep
[13:24] <BluesKaj> that's whay
[13:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> k
[13:24] <BluesKaj> err why
[13:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> had to change windows manager from compiz to kwin it was acting kind of nuts too
[13:25] <BluesKaj> you're going to have quite a few apps left in the menu , some do duplicate tasks/functions
[13:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> im going to reload kde from disk someday
[13:26] <BluesKaj> compiz is hardly required anymore IMO
[13:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah it seems to be tied in with unity?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> dont like unity came to kde
[13:27] <BluesKaj> unity is messy for some , works for others , depending on your HW
[13:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya
[13:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> im a bit lost in kde right now cant find what i want
[13:28] <BluesKaj> kde is much more consistent
[13:28] <James147> but also has more options, so can take some getting use to,
[13:29] <BluesKaj> the Kmenu is your  friend , as is the command run box (alt+f2) , and the the konsole of course
[13:30] <mydogsnameisrudy> i put the terminal what it called hit f12 and it comes down from top
[13:30] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  mydogsnameisrudy , you know about pure kde ?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !pure kde
[13:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> ummm?
[13:31] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: not really
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[13:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> i was reading that kind of afraid to do it lol
[13:31] <ts2> mydogsnameisrudy: yakuake
[13:32] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: no i've always used kde, and since i started on ubuntu it was kubuntu all the way. but these last months this sluggishness got to a point where I actually installed the gnome desktop as well to see if it could be faster, but i can't adapt to it
[13:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep ts2  thats it
[13:32] <ts2> yakuake is the best :)
[13:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> works very well
[13:32] <BluesKaj> !yakuake
[13:32] <ts2> !info yakuake
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ts2,  best for ?
[13:33] <ts2> BluesKaj: it's like Konsole (is actually uses Konsole libs), but it doesn't clutter your task manager, and drops down from the top of the screen on F12
[13:34] <ts2> if you always want a terminal open, but don't necessarily want to _see_ it all the time, it's very nice
[13:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya it just sits there ready to go
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ts2,  I just run the terminal from an panel icon when I need to
[13:34] <BluesKaj> a panel icon/link
[13:34] <ts2> but, that's precious milliseconds you're wasting ;)
[13:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> i set up terminal keys ctl alt t to come up also
[13:35] <mydogsnameisrudy> got used to that in gnome
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , well I'm retired , not on the job , so ...
[13:35] <ts2> I have yakuage start on login, so if I ever want a terminal, I just hit F12 and it's there ready
[13:35] <mydogsnameisrudy> same
[13:36] <BluesKaj> to each his own i always say
[13:36] <ts2> it's just easier than going through the menu, or even setting a short-cut for starting konsole. plus it takes a second to actually start bash in a terminal, yakuake is already running when you login etc...
[13:36] <ts2> plus, it's funky and kool :)
[13:36] <mydogsnameisrudy> heh
[13:37] <BluesKaj> hmm, funky and cool ? ... uhm, okaaaay :)
[13:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> if i  want 2 or more terminals open i use konsole
[13:39] <ts2> mydogsnameisrudy: yakuake has tabs you know ;)
[13:40] <ts2> I usually have between 3 and 5 open at any given time
[13:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya but cant move like windows
[13:40] <ts2> I've never really needed to, shift+left/right isn't to hard
[13:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> but you only see one at a time
[13:41] <mydogsnameisrudy> i want to see all of them sometimes
[13:41] <ts2> that's what I mean, I rarely if ever need to see more than one
[13:41] <mydogsnameisrudy> k
[13:41] <ts2> mydogsnameisrudy: but still, you can also split the tab into more than one terminal. problem solved
[13:42] <BluesKaj> well, I always have a terminal open on another desktop , so a quick switch is more my style
[13:42] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;) linux rules
[13:43] <BluesKaj> I'm on 12.04 and it seems quite stable right now ...hope i haven't spoken too soon
[13:43] <mydogsnameisrudy> i have it running on my old laptop seems to be ok
[13:44] <ts2> it'll be an LTS release, so it will probably stay very stable (compared to other development releases)
[13:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> is there much change with kde then?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> yup, but there have been some kernel panic and libreoffice dependency problems
[13:45] <ts2> I expect the Qt upgrade coming soon may cause one or two issues, but hopefully nothing to major
[13:45] <BluesKaj> it's using kde 4.8 and it's more stable than 4.7.3 or4 were /are IME
[13:48] <BluesKaj> however I'm a bit leary to reboot now that libreoffice-core has been reinstalled
[13:52] <BluesKaj> brb
[14:13] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj:  I was using system monitor here, and tried the shutdown dialog, and both cpus went straight to 100% and while the other had spikes of 100%, the other core stood there for all the time while the hd light was continuosly on and the dialog wasn't showing. As soon as it showed, the cpu went back to normal. Also to note, is the fact that my boot time to stable "idle" processing takes almost 3 minutes, and the basic tray apps like volume an
[14:13] <InvaderZim> d klipper for instance take almost a minute to load and show the icon. This clearly didn't happen with my previous upgrade. (I'm not sure anymore if it started happening from 10.10 to 11.04, or 11.04 to 11.10)
[14:14] <James147> InvaderZim: dose it do the same for a new user?
[14:15] <InvaderZim> James147: hmmmmm lemme try
[14:16] <InvaderZim> James147: taking forever to load
[14:17] <InvaderZim> James147: fiy, user management app took about 20 secs to open
[14:17] <InvaderZim> James147: thats what i'm talking about
[14:17] <James147> first login takes alittble bit longer then normal
[14:17] <InvaderZim> James147: i'm gonna logout here and login twice with the new user, and later get back here with the results
[14:18] <InvaderZim> James147: the forever to load was the user mgmt app, not the actual login
[14:18] <InvaderZim> ok, gone
[14:34] <InvaderZim> James147: it still took almost 3 minutes to finish start up... and small dpi letters, wrong plastik menus, etc. I just tried disabling desktop effects (as it stops the dialogs slow display) but the boot now actually took longer, 3:35 minutes. All the time 100% cpu until the last app opens.
[14:35] <James147> InvaderZim: well something really wrong with that :p... dose "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" do anything?
[14:36] <InvaderZim> James147: let me see, I'm really thinking about reinstalling kde/kubuntu from scratch, but don't know how to do it without formatting and losing user data. This kubuntu here has been upgraded since 7.10.
[14:37] <James147> InvaderZim: If you dont format the disk then the installer will only delete system files (from /usr /bin etc...) and leave user files (/home) intect
[14:37] <James147> best to back up first though
[14:38] <InvaderZim> James147: so it will work?
[14:38] <qbit> might want to see if strigi is turned off in systemsettings -> desktop search
[14:38] <InvaderZim> James147: it will delete the system files? I thiought it would just write on top, getting a big mess
[14:38] <James147> qbit: it shouldnt be causing THAT much of a slowdown
[14:38] <InvaderZim> qbit: i tried disabling all of it, strigi and that other one i forgott
[14:38] <James147> InvaderZim: it will delete system folders to stop old files from causing problems
[14:39] <James147> InvaderZim: if you want to be extra sure you and always delete them first :)
[14:40] <James147> (the install dose warn you if you have any system folders that it will delete them)
[14:40] <InvaderZim> James147: on the last upgrade the widget menu on top says "unnamed", but with the new user it actually says "New Activity".
[14:40] <James147> ^^ though I hacent tested this with the latest version I dont see why It would have changed
[14:40] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  James147's suggestion worked for me several times , installing the OS witout reformatting is similar an release-upgrade thru thenet .. except the OS source is a live-media
[14:41] <James147> BluesKaj: its not the same as a realse-upgrade... it will delete /etc where as a realase-upgrade should perserve changes in /etc
[14:41]  * BluesKaj cleans his glasses ...again :)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ahh
[14:42] <James147> BluesKaj: it should be a fresh install that dosnt delete files it dosnt care about (such as /home)
[14:42] <BluesKaj> but no personal folder like media and data is lost
[14:42] <InvaderZim> I'm gonna try it then, I'm guessing i'll lose all the installed apps apart from the default ones, but its better than this...
[14:43] <James147> InvaderZim: yes, you will ahve to reinstall things, and its always a good idea to backup before ahnd incase something goes wrong
[14:43] <BluesKaj> James147,  yeah, that's why i use a /home partition , it makes for a faster less troublesome install
[14:43] <InvaderZim> James147: Is it worth mentioning that the OS partition has only 350MB left?
[14:43] <James147> InvaderZim: you should make that bigger
[14:43] <InvaderZim> James147: swap is 1GB and is 0 used
[14:43] <BluesKaj> omg , no wonder
[14:44] <InvaderZim> I guessed it wouldn't be an issue since the swap space is free
[14:44] <James147> InvaderZim: as a side note: filesystem become very inificent when more then about 80% full...
[14:44] <InvaderZim> James147: hmm interesting
[14:45] <InvaderZim> James147: very hard to get space here.....
[14:45] <James147> InvaderZim: how big is you os partition?
[14:46] <InvaderZim> James147: it was 20GB but it actually reports 17.7. I know it's small but at the time I was just testing it, eventually became my main use, still resides in the same space.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim, probly need about 5-6G for the OS , and 1.5X yoyr RAM for the swap
[14:47] <James147> BluesKaj: I would say at least 10G for OS, 15G is recomended
[14:47] <James147> more if you install lots of large applications
[14:47] <InvaderZim> Here it is: /dev/sda1              18G   17G  353M  98%
[14:48] <James147> InvaderZim: run "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[14:48] <koleoptero> is that your / InvaderZim without the /home?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> I have 15G / , but it used only 6G , so i wasted 9G
[14:48] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: Yes but the home is in it
[14:49] <James147> BluesKaj: you need a small buffer of empty space to stop files from getting heavly fragmented, so 10G+ at elast for you
[14:49] <InvaderZim> I don't have aseparate partition for home
[14:49] <koleoptero> if you don't have a separate /home partition then that's the problem probably if you have lots of files in it
[14:49] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: not really, the big ones goes to the other hd
[14:50] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: but yeah I have a lot of files here too
[14:50] <InvaderZim> it's a mess I can tell you but I have no space left with this hardware
[14:50] <James147> InvaderZim: windows on the other partition?
[14:50] <koleoptero> well if you want to see how to save some space use baobab to see what you can remove that actually takes some space
[14:51] <InvaderZim> James147: windows and I don't use it anymore, I use the hd just for big files
[14:51] <koleoptero> and I'd run "sudo apt-get clean" not just autoclean
[14:51] <InvaderZim> ok with clean and autoclean it got me to /dev/sda1              18G   16G  671M  97% /
[14:52] <koleoptero> well at least it can breathe now :)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  so you're using an 18G partition , that's not very much for a complete install , is there more space available on the drive?
[14:52] <James147> InvaderZim: has preformance improved slightly?
[14:52] <InvaderZim> James147: I need to test it
[14:53] <James147> InvaderZim: I would see if you can remove anything else first
[14:53] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: hmm the other partition has 1.6 gig free on it, but its fat32 very old almost unused partition with some files
[14:53] <koleoptero> InvaderZim: install and run baobab to see what takes up all that space and if it's anything you can remove
[14:54] <InvaderZim> that's not a bad idea to use all this hd (40gb) removing the fat 32 one
[14:54] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: ok
[14:54] <InvaderZim> my /home takes 6.8gb
[14:54] <koleoptero> that's reasonable if you use it
[14:55] <James147> InvaderZim: if you dont need the other partition then you may as well remove it :)
[14:55] <koleoptero> I agree with James147
[14:55] <InvaderZim> uh I didn't know this baobab
[14:55] <InvaderZim> you suggest to scan home?
[14:56] <koleoptero> for starters
[14:56]  * James147 just uses "du -sh /path/to/somewhere/*" when he wants to know what files take up space :)
[14:56] <koleoptero> visual representation sometimes is better James147 :)
[14:57] <James147> koleoptero: "!! | sort -h"
[14:57] <ts2> you don't need the * at the end
[14:57] <koleoptero> InvaderZim: also don't forget after you're done with baobab to sudo apt-get purge it and autoremove --purge
[14:58] <James147> ts2: you do if you want a subdir listing not just what that folder contains
[14:58] <koleoptero> since you're trying to save space it'd be a shame to leave it installed lol
[14:58] <ts2> James147: du is recursive
[14:58] <James147> ts2: so you can see waht files and folders inside /path/to/somewhere takeup, no the folder itsself
[14:58] <ts2> yeah, du is recursive, no need for the *
[14:58] <James147> ts2: yeah, but -s will print a total, with * its prints a total for each folder
[14:59] <ts2> ah, ok, that's one use ;)
[14:59] <ace_> I installed Kubuntu 11.10 64 bit on my PC today, and I am having trouble importing my openvpn files. I installed openvpn network-manager-openvpn, restarted, but can't figure out the problem. Any ideas how to get this working?
[15:03] <InvaderZim> nepomuk repository takes 534mb
[15:03] <InvaderZim> 673
[15:03] <InvaderZim> ops
[15:03] <InvaderZim> 573
[15:03] <FloodBotK1> InvaderZim: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:03] <InvaderZim> I'm gonna delete it
[15:04] <James147> InvaderZim: you may then want to turn off file indexing (which is what makes that file so big)
[15:04] <InvaderZim> James147: it's actualy turned off but i guess its from when it was turned on a while ago
[15:05] <James147> Probally
[15:05] <BluesKaj> another thing InvaderZim , if you don't use nepomuk or akonadi , then you disable them in system settings>startup&shutdown>service manager...this may help speed up your pc
[15:06] <InvaderZim> i dont because of the space issue
[15:06] <James147> Yey: du: WARNING: Circular directory structure.  :D
[15:07] <InvaderZim> 18G   16G  956M  95% /
[15:08] <InvaderZim> hmm ok i guess its time to test it
[15:08] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: I don't see akonadi in startup&shutdown there, just nepomuk
[15:08] <InvaderZim> let me test this, see how it goes... anyway thanks all for the help, maybe that was it after all
[15:08] <InvaderZim> rebooting
[15:09] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  you can include it in the session management "apps to be excluded" textbox
[15:11] <datruth> how can I fix my headphones when I plug them in sometimes the sound comesx from the speaker and headphones and I have to go in to alsamixxer and fiddle around to get the sound to either come from the speakers or headphones is there an easy to do this?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> I'll save that suggestion for his return
[15:15] <BluesKaj> datruth,  if you have pulseaudio installed then pavucontrol is an option that will you more control over the output connecter selections
[15:15] <BluesKaj> give you more control
[15:15] <datruth> program not installed
[15:17] <BluesKaj> which program?
[15:17] <datruth> pavucontrol
[15:17] <datruth> so I must not use pulseaudio
[15:18] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj James147 just as info, still same sluggishness, more than 3 minutes to start up and dialogs take 5-10 secs to appear for the first time... I guess i'm going for the CD reinstall
[15:18] <ts2> Kubuntu uses pulseaudio by default in post-lucid iirc
[15:19] <BluesKaj> datruth,   look in system settings>media>phonon>...is there an audio hardware tab ?
[15:19] <James147> datruth: its a gnome util for pulseaudio, so not install on kubuntu by default... veromix (a kde widget) is a kde alternitive that might be enough
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ts2,  unfortunately yes
[15:23] <swaroop> hi
[15:24] <datruth> BluesKaj: I have that tab yes
[15:26] <swaroop> hi i have a problem with opening muon software centre. every time i open it, it loads a bare screen and exits abruptly before asking the password..
[15:26] <BluesKaj> datruth,  ok, check the device preferences tab , have you set that up with the test button yet ?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> audio hardware tab indicates that pulseaudio is installed , so installing pavucontrol will give you more output selection options. A quick check by typing pulseaudio in the terminal first will tell whether it's running or not. datruth
[15:31] <datruth> not yet I will try
[15:34] <swaroop> hi can anybody please help me?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> swaroop,  muon is buggy right now the devs are working on it , use a different package manager like apper or even synaptic , or the konsole with apt-get .
[15:37] <BluesKaj> !apt-get | swaroop
[15:37] <swaroop> yes i love apt-get, was just wondering if it could be solved easily and i might have missed it..
[15:39] <BluesKaj> swaroop,  no , right muon is basically a no go on most updated installs
[15:39] <BluesKaj> err right now
[15:39] <swaroop> k thanks
[15:41] <BluesKaj> swaroop,  if you don't mind a few gtk libs on your sytem , synaptic is still the best reference for finding package descriptions and options , IMO
[15:41] <swaroop> yet i can remember it working initially after install or was it on the livecd..
[15:43] <swaroop> its ok i'll be fine with package manager for now
[15:43] <ts2> BluesKaj: recent Kubuntu's come with GTK anyway
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ts2,  yeah, there's no getting away from them , required ingredient in the (K)Ubuntu recipe
[15:47] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL ..stuff to do for a few mins
[15:49] <swaroop> so i was having this problem with my bluetooth adapter. every time i plugged it in, i had had to run 'sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart' for it to get detected. so i made a script for it and changed its icon to one resembling a bluetooth icon. Now all text files apper in that fashion. can you help me fix either of the problems?
[16:39] <domenic> hey, i was wondering if someone could help me out
[16:39] <domenic> i'm trying to install the ATI video drivers from the AMD website
[16:39] <domenic> but it requires me to input the password for su
[16:40] <domenic> when i type in the password i use for my account, and sudo, it doesn't work
[16:40] <chalcedony> domenic, do you know the root pass?
[16:40] <domenic> isn't it the same password as the one when i setup this system?
[16:41] <chalcedony> might be, did you add your current user to the sudoers list?
[16:41] <domenic> unless it does it automatically, then no, i did no such thing
[16:41] <chalcedony> that might be the answer
[16:43] <chalcedony> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-add-a-user-to-the-sudoers-list/  this is a bit generic
[16:43] <domenic> thanks for the help, i'll give this a try
[16:44] <domenic> as a side note, I am able to perform sudo
[16:44] <domenic> for example, I can "sudo ls"
[16:44] <domenic> but when I attempt to "su"
[16:44] <domenic> the password I give is no longer valid
[16:45] <chalcedony> if you have sudo what do you need su for?
[16:45] <chalcedony> su is debianish
[16:47] <domenic> when I attempt to install the .run file from the ATI website, a terminal called Kate opens up
[16:47] <domenic> and it claims I need su access
[16:47] <ts2> Kate is not a terminal, its a text editor
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yes su is debain root pw , on kubuntu sudo should suffice , don't bother with su
[16:47] <ts2> use "sudo bash /path/to/file/.run"
[16:49] <BluesKaj> 'well, gotta run some errands ..bbl
[16:50] <ts2> chalcedony: erm, that's probably the worst possible way of getting a user sudo access, it has a very real chance of actually blocking _all_ sudo access
[16:50] <ts2> I'm talking about the the URL btw
[16:51] <ts2> the correct way would just be to add the user to the admin group, that's what it's there for :)
[16:51] <domenic> your advice worked flawlessly
[16:51] <domenic> thank you chalcedony
[16:52] <chalcedony> ts2, sometimes we find better things than others with google ;)
[16:52] <chalcedony> ts2, do you have a link for admin group?
[16:53] <ts2> well, from a user with sudo access, you open System Settings -> User Management, then just add the user to the group
[16:55] <chalcedony> ts2, thank you
[16:55] <ts2> there's probably a more complete guide on help.ubuntu.com somewhere
[18:07] <BentFranklin> I read somewhere someone talking about editing /etc/hosts as old-school or deprecated.  Someone please tell this dinosaur the new right way to tell my box who's who on my LAN?  (I don't use network manager because it mangled my box once.)
[18:15] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin,  maybe you /etc/hosts.allow if your managing your network with /etc/network/interfaces
[18:15] <BluesKaj> need
[18:17] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin,  my example of /etc/hosts/allow ,http://paste.ubuntu.com/812117/
[18:18] <James147> BentFranklin: as far as I know, and from waht I can find /etc/hosts hasn't been deprecated
[18:19] <BentFranklin> James147: BluesKaj: Cool, thanks
[18:20] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin,  my example of a static IP for LAN setting in /etc/network interfaces , http://paste.ubuntu.com/812121/
[18:20] <BluesKaj> err etc/network/interfaces
[18:22] <BluesKaj> this a great tutorial for static IP on /etc/network/interfaces, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:22] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin, ^
[18:31] <BentFranklin> I'll check that out.
[18:49] <mansoor> Hello all. What version of KDE is in Kubuntu 11.10?
[18:50] <ts2> mansoor: 4.7.3
[18:51] <mansoor> Why is 32-bit of Kubuntu  "recommended" over the 64bit? my computer supports both
[18:53] <James147> mansoor: all 64bit computers support both, no 32bit computer supports 64bit
[18:53] <mansoor> James147: right
[18:53] <ts2> trying to run (third-party) 32-bit applications on 64bit OS can be a little bit touchy at times
[18:53] <James147> mansoor: so 32bit will work with just about everything, "recomended" if you dont know which yours is... if you do then use that
[18:54] <ts2> unless you have >4GB RAM, then there's not really much point in going 64bit quite yet. and even then, there is the -pae kernel
[18:54] <James147> ^^ however if you have more then 4gigs of ram you really should be using 64bit
[18:54] <mansoor> I'll try my luck with the 64bit
[18:54] <mansoor> i have 4 gigs but only 3 gigs register
[18:55] <ts2> if you got that information from windows, don't trust it...
[18:55] <James147> mansoor: then use 64bit or use a pae kernel (i think the server one is)
[18:55] <mansoor> ohh wait >_>  on mint it says 3.9
[18:56] <mansoor> I guess i'll go with 32 bit then
[18:56] <ts2> a portion of RAM will be reserved for the kernel, and won't normally show in system tools
[18:56] <ts2> also, sometimes when the box says "4GB RAM", they are rounding-up
[18:56] <James147> mansoor: I would recomend 64bit, its less hassel if you ever decied to upgrade your ram and there arent really any downsides to useing it now
[18:57] <mansoor> James147: I would have distro hoped many times by the time I decide to upgrade my ram :p
[18:57] <James147> ts2: they dont generally round either way ^^ they just misslead with the bases
[18:58] <James147> though not normally in ram, more so with hdd
[20:31] <cetony> hoola
[20:31] <cetony> alguien de mexico????
[20:32] <bazhang> !es
[20:54] <jbehling> what does it mean when it says "driver activated but not in use" in 11.04 hardware manager when it comes to the nvidia driver
[20:55] <jbehling> i want to use it, and i thought i was using it...
[21:02] <BluesKaj> jbehling,  it may be a small bug , open a terminal and run, if it gives a detailed output then you're fine
[21:02] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[21:03] <jbehling> BluesKaj: ok, what should I run in the terminal?
[21:03] <BluesKaj> jbehling, run that command ^
[21:04] <jbehling> BluesKaj: run the additional drivers dialogue?
[21:04] <BluesKaj> no run this : sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[21:04] <BluesKaj> in the teminal
[21:06] <jbehling> ok
[21:06] <jbehling> thanks!
[21:07] <BluesKaj> the reason I'm asking you to run the command is that for some reason there's a bug in that gui and it doesn't se the installed nvidi-current driver
[21:07] <BluesKaj> see
[21:07] <jbehling> BluesKaj: according to the output i have it installed
[21:07] <jbehling> BluesKaj: seems like you're right, bug in the gui
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ok then you're good to go, just ignore that gui indication
[21:08] <jbehling> Thanks!
[21:08] <BluesKaj> I had the same indication , but i knew the the nvidia-current driver was installed
[21:09] <BluesKaj> jbehling,  np
[21:44] <benbloom_> ok. I've been working on this problem for a long time and tried many solutions to no avail: I need help with RAM... I've got a 64b Acer M3100 running 64b Kubuntu 11.10. I use the builtin ethernet port and a GeForce 220 PCIe Video card. Apparently the MoBo is limited to <=4G but when I try to install >2G both the PCIe video card and my builtin ethernet jack stop working. I've tried using many different configurations to get >2G
[21:44] <benbloom_> including 2*2G 800mhz sticks (same mfg) and 4*1G 667mhz sticks. I've checked the individual sticks and sockets for errors with memtest86+. BIOS is identifying them properly, I've cleaned the RAM slots .nothing seems to work! can someone help?
[21:50] <gastal_home> benbloom_: does the onboard ethernet jack have leds on it? do they light up when you connect a cable?
[21:52] <benbloom_> hey gastal_home. unsure without a reboot. are you asking to see if it's a physical problem? because it's working fine as long as I remove the addtl RAM
[21:52] <timothy> hi there
[21:52] <benbloom_> hi timothy
[21:53] <timothy> my first time here so just saying hi
[21:54] <benbloom_> cool. people around here tend to get a little snippy about non-support related posts.
[21:54]  * benbloom_ ubottu !hi
[21:54] <benbloom_> lol oops
[21:55] <timothy> sadly there is not much wrong with my kde implementation other than a little video tearing at high resolutions on flash videos
[21:56] <benbloom_> have you tried using the adobe proprietary 64b plugin timothy?
[21:58] <timothy> yes, I have. I remember seeing that flash 11(i think) actualy brought in hardware accel which was a boon! i think it  could be more hardware related. older laptop with x1200 radeon in and 720p flash is fine. 1080p little struggle BUT 1080p video is fine
[21:59] <timothy> as in a 1080pvideo file
[22:02] <benbloom_> flash is really not designed as a video streaming software. it's very resource intensive even when not streaming HD video
[22:02] <benbloom_> gastal left :( i need help!
[22:02] <timothy> yea! ref steve jobs & the flash palava!
[22:03] <timothy> what have you got a problem with
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> need a good iptables/firewall kde frontend
[22:03] <benbloom_> flash is really not designed as a video streaming software. it's very resource intensive even when not streaming HD video
[22:03] <benbloom_> oops
[22:04] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: its because the content is dynamic
[22:04] <benbloom_> timothy, I've been working on this problem for a long time and tried many solutions to no avail: I've got a 64b Acer M3100 running 64b Kubuntu 11.10. I use the builtin ethernet port and a GeForce 220 PCIe Video card. Apparently the MoBo is limited to <=4G but when I try to install >2G both the PCIe video card and my builtin ethernet jack stop working. I've tried using many different configurations to get >2G including 2*2G 800mhz
[22:04] <benbloom_> sticks (same mfg) and 4*1G 667mhz sticks. I've checked the individual sticks and sockets for errors with memtest86+. BIOS is identifying them properly, I've cleaned the RAM slots .nothing seems to work.
[22:05] <benbloom_> yes phoenix_firebrd. i think flash could be utilized in amazing ways, but it's not optimized to be a video streamer
[22:05] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: exactly
[22:06] <benbloom_> it's all youtube's fault!
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: yourtube is pushing html5 and webm
[22:06] <timothy> haha they have moved to html 5
[22:06] <benbloom_> yes. really looking forward to html5
[22:06] <timothy> sounds an odd problem that with the mbo
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: the html5 player is not yet good
[22:07] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: needs some improvement
[22:08] <benbloom_> yes timothy. i'm beginning to think it's a defective mobo. this makes me :'( because I'd really like to have more than 2G on my dual core 64b pc
[22:08] <timothy> yes almost negates the usefulness of 64bit os
[22:09] <timothy> im trying to find specs\manual from acer website
[22:09] <benbloom_> totally negates it! i can't believe the 4G limitation to begin with. but to have an effective cap of 2G i'm living in the stone age
[22:12] <timothy> have you tried  just the 2gb in different slots?
[22:12] <BarkingFish> right now, I'd be looking at taking your machine in to be serviced, benbloom_ - it sounds like your board is screwed.
[22:13] <benbloom_> BarkingFish, I've been afraid of that. i wonder. if i boot into windows and everything works does that mean it's a sw problem?
[22:14] <benbloom_> and yes timothy i have tried that
[22:14] <timothy> and thought you might have
[22:15] <timothy> so somehow the extra ram is interfering with the system bus esh
[22:18] <timothy> it is definiitiely an issue with just linux? are you able to reproduce the problem on different live distros, freeBSD or even windows. I would say that might work lookinng at to rule out hardware failure
[22:21] <benbloom_> I'm going to try loading Windows 7 (I have a dual boot system, just never use that part :D)
[22:23] <timothy> yea, if windows loads finds the ram and network card etc etc the hardware is functioning ok
[22:23] <timothy> i was just reading online that someone had a similar problem with a sound card on the m3100
[22:24] <timothy> when putting in more ram the sound card stopped........:-S
[22:32] <timothy> well good luck! i am off to hit the ps3 nice chaatting
[22:35] <timothy> another thing i would try is a live CD of kubuntu with the 4gb in. If that works your ethernet then it is your installation that would need tinkering with
[23:47] <javaholic5> Hi all,  I have deployed a questionnaire and would appreciate it if you could take about 3 minutes of your time to complete it. You can find it here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHA2UUhWSVV2WWw4M2VPNnJKNDR5VkE6MQ . Your answers will be completely anonymous. Thank you in advance for all your help
[23:57] <root> hi guys
[23:58] <Guest35080> heeey


[11:00] <glade88> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/62513
[11:11] <AnAnt> Hello, can I change the name of a project/team in launchpad ?
[11:13] <glade88> AnAnt: https://edge.launchpad.net/~team/+edit
[11:15] <AnAnt> glade88: well, for the project, +edit only allows me to change the display name & title
[11:16] <glade88> AnAnt: afaik, that is all you can change
[11:17] <AnAnt> glade88: for example I need to change https://edge.launchpad.net/projectfoo to https://edge.launchpad.net/projectbar
[11:18] <AnAnt> projectbar does not exist in Launchpad, but the project got renamed from projectfoo to projectbar
[11:19] <AnAnt> glade88: can't it even be requested from an LP admin ?
[11:20] <glade88> AnAnt: cant find a way to do that, sorry.
[11:20] <glade88> AnAnt: sure you can
[11:20] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[11:20] <glade88> start an LP question
[11:20] <glade88> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad
[11:20] <wgrant> AnAnt: Project and team names can only be changed by an admin, so ask a question as glade88 suggests.
[11:23] <AnAnt> wgrant: the person who registered the project/team should ask ? or can any member ask ?
[11:23] <glade88> AnAnt: the maintainer or project driver(s)
[11:54] <AnAnt> glade88: what if the maintainer is a team ?
[11:54] <glade88> and you are a member of that team?
[11:55] <glade88> erm.. any member of that team can request it..
[11:55] <AnAnt> yup
[11:55] <AnAnt> thanks
[11:55] <glade88> np
[12:14] <AnAnt> ok #62611
[12:39] <AdamDH> in my rules can I use wget to get source on launchpad?
[13:16] <geser> AdamDH: for which target?
[13:17] <AdamDH> amd64
[13:17] <geser> if you want to do it during (binary-) package build then no as the buildds don't have net access
[13:17] <AdamDH> ah thankyou I will try and find a way around it
[14:29] <AdamDH> why are Estimated build starts sometimes into the 2 - 3 hour mark?
[14:30] <beuno> AdamDH, because there are a lot of builds in the queue
[14:35] <AdamDH> can we see the queue?
[14:43] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I get a release tarball from bzr ?
[14:45] <kiko-afk> AnAnt, just visit launchpad.net/bzr
[14:45] <kiko-afk> AdamDH, you can see the ubuntu queue at /ubuntu/+queue
[14:45] <kiko-afk> beuno!
[14:46] <AdamDH> kiko-afk where is that?
[14:46] <kiko-afk> AdamDH, on the internet? :)
[14:47] <AdamDH> im getting a 404
[14:47] <kiko-afk> hang on
[14:48] <AnAnt> kiko-afk: and ?
[14:49] <kiko-afk> AnAnt, and click on downloads?
[14:50] <mneptok> kiko-afk!
[14:50] <kiko-afk> mneptok!
[14:50] <AnAnt> kiko-afk: oh, I wasn't clear, I meant, I got some code in launchpad's bzr repository, how do I release a tarball from that bzr repository ?
[14:51] <kiko-afk> AnAnt -- oh! sorry, yes you were unclear. :)
[14:51] <kiko-afk> that's a feature requested but not yet implemented
[14:51] <AnAnt> ok
[14:51] <kiko-afk> AdamDH, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds sorry
[14:51] <AnAnt> thanks
[14:52] <kiko-afk> AnAnt, there's a bug filed for it, want me to find it?
[14:52] <AnAnt> kiko-afk: nope, thanks
[14:52] <AdamDH> thanks kiko
[14:52] <kiko-afk> heh ok
[14:53] <AdamDH> wow there compiling an arm version of open office nice
[14:54] <kiko-afk> AdamDH, that doesn't list PPA builds though -- there isn't such a page yet but I know cprov and noodles were working on one
[14:57]  * mneptok wonders if salgado is on the slopes already :)
[14:58] <kiko-phone> mneptok, where is salgado? montreal?
[14:58] <beuno> kiko-phone!
[14:58] <beuno> how can you be on the phone on a sat!??
[14:58] <kiko-phone> beuno, just mneptok tricking me
[15:00] <mneptok> kiko: yup! salgado and jamesh have been in Montreal all this week. salgado is spending the day at Jay Peak today. first time on skis!
[15:00] <kiko> wow, first day
[15:00] <kiko> that will be painful tomorrow
[15:00] <mneptok> yes it will. which means my schadenfreude gene will pull me back into the Montreal office next week. ;)
[15:01] <mneptok> kiko: http://www.jaypeakresort.com/ (Flash required)
[15:01] <kiko> aiee
[15:05] <AdamDH> according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/amd64/+builds there is nothing in the build que foe amd64 on januity?
[15:05] <AdamDH> *jaunty
[15:07] <kiko> AdamDH, that's misleading because it doesn't include ppa builds
[15:07] <AdamDH> ah just noticed that
[15:07] <AdamDH> only been using a PPA for a couple of days
[15:08] <AdamDH> just getting the hang and layout of things
[15:08] <kiko> yeah, that's actually a bug and as I said cprov and noodles have something up their sleeve
[15:09] <mneptok> kiko: i wonder if we'd fall foul of US fair use law if we appropriated the the classic Soylent Green line for LP ...
[15:09] <mneptok> "IT'S PEEEEEEOPLE!  LAUNCHPAD IS PEEEEOPLE!"
[15:09] <AdamDH> when is the source going to be released for launchpad?
[15:10] <beuno> AdamDH, 21st of July
[15:10] <beuno> AdamDH, more information here: https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing
[15:11] <bourrin54> hello all
[15:11] <bourrin54> How to upload a .deb package to my PPA launchpad ?
[15:11] <AdamDH> using dput
[15:12] <AdamDH> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[15:12] <bourrin54> thanks
[15:46] <cprov> AdamDH: hi, while we don't have a page for PPA builds in queue, it's important to note that they are not affected or affects ubuntu builds. PPA source are built in a separate buildfarm.
[15:48] <AdamDH> thanks cprov, I was a little unsure how it all worked
[15:49] <cprov> AdamDH: we only show a snapshot of the buildfarm current status at https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[15:51] <maxb> AdamDH: I see you've chosen to disregard by advice on hyphens in version numbers :-/
[15:51] <cprov> AdamDH: you can have a hint about the time a given build will be dispatched by accessing its page (estimated dispatch time field)
[15:51] <maxb> cprov: Should I assume someone has noticed kohnen? Perhaps put a comment in the topic?
[15:52] <AdamDH> maxb > I know for dev I am keeping with those versions, trying to get it all upstream so I can just use ms430-binutils-2.19 etc
[15:53] <maxb> Any net access during a build is strictly forbidden. Check your build log:
[15:53] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/+builds/actinium
[15:53] <AdamDH> hang on why is that still running?
[15:54] <AdamDH> I got a failure on it so I suspected that would have just killed the job
[15:54] <AdamDH> I changed my rules and pushed a new package revision
[15:55] <AdamDH> so how do I stop something from been built once it has started?
[15:55] <maxb> cprov: If you can conveniently abort some builds.... https://launchpad.net/+builds/actinium https://launchpad.net/+builds/samarium https://launchpad.net/+builds/gold
[15:56] <AdamDH> maxb so have I held up two build hosts?
[15:58] <maxb> well, it's not your fault that launchpad doesn't auto-cancel superseded builds
[15:58] <cprov> AdamDH: have you deleted the sources ?
[15:59] <maxb> Come to think of it, the buildds really ought to ship a wgetrc that sets tries=1
[15:59] <AdamDH> yup I did when I pushed the new revision why?
[16:01] <maxb> AdamDH: "This package was created by taking the 2.19.1-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090228 upstream source"... ahem!
[16:01] <AdamDH> I have screwed up those packages
[16:02] <AdamDH> they work does that count ;)
[16:02] <maxb> AdamDH: Also, have you considered using a standard patchsystem instead of rolling your own?
[16:02] <AdamDH> I like my own patch system it just works?
[16:02] <AdamDH> maxb I have put it all up on revu do you want to comment there so I can work through it?
[16:02] <maxb> reinventing the wheel to no purpose isn't good, IMO
[16:02] <maxb> ok
[16:04] <AdamDH> I have used that code before on a few projects never had any issues so was reusing it there
[16:04] <AdamDH> maxb I think I have named the upstream source wrong in my package
[16:08] <cprov> maxb: I can easily cancel a build, there is a bug filed about it.
[16:11] <janko__> bump
[16:31] <calmer_> hi there :-)
[16:31] <AdamDH> maxb thanks for the review, I will action those shortly
[16:34] <AdamDH> maxb the next problem is with the patches as I am planning on working on them hence the revision so my patches come from svn etc
[16:37] <calmer_> I have a problem that's quite urgent, but I don't know where to ask for help - I accidently added a file to a bug report that shouldn't be there, who can I talk to to let it be removed? I'm sorry for any inconveniences I make :-/
[16:39] <maxb> calmer_: then delete it again? :-)
[16:40] <calmer_> lol
[16:40] <calmer_> thx
[16:40] <calmer_> :)
[16:40] <calmer_> didn't saw that "edit" beside of the attachment
[16:40] <AdamDH> maxb, I am going to change the versioning on that package now and resubmit to revu
[16:41] <calmer_> *phew* thanx a lot :-)
[16:41] <maxb> AdamDH: btw, why msp430-binutils instead of binutils-msp430?
[16:41] <maxb> I guess we should really take this conversation to #ubuntu-motu
[16:41] <AdamDH> i am in ubuntu-motu
[16:55] <MTecknology> kiko: hi
[16:56] <kiko> hey
[16:56] <MTecknology> I'm not sober or clear headed atm, I'll try to answer that question effectively after I get my laundry done and cleaned up from work ;0
[16:56] <MTecknology> ;P*
[16:57] <MTecknology> kiko: how have you been doung anyway?
[16:57] <kiko> I'm doing good, a bit jet-lagged still here in cape town, but working on stuff I need to deliver next week
[16:58] <MTecknology> I saw you missed the membership approval meeting, it made me sad not to see you and doctormo not there too be approved.
[16:58] <MTecknology> It's not like either of you have anything to worry about getting approved :P
[16:59] <kiko> did I get approved?
[16:59] <kiko> I was on a plane that day!
[16:59] <MTecknology> oh
[17:00] <MTecknology> you can't get approved unless you're there
[17:00] <MTecknology> doctormo didn't make it for the same reason
[17:00] <kiko> I'll just add my name their again the next week I am actually in the office
[17:00] <kiko> it's not that common I travel fridays
[17:01] <MTecknology> kiko: just have a good solid first line ready to explain why you should be approved. I had three lines ready :P
[17:01] <MTecknology> where's your wiki page?
[17:01] <kiko> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianReis or something
[17:01] <kiko> it was linked to
[17:03] <MTecknology> I created a wiki.u.c/kiko for ya
[17:03] <MTecknology> secret project?
[17:04] <MTecknology> I'm drunk... that sounds hilarious :P
[17:04] <MTecknology> kiko: do you care if I make a few trivial changes to that?
[17:05] <MTecknology> eh... Ping kiko on freenode => Ping kiko on #freenode
[17:06] <MTecknology> kiko: are you a very active person w/ Ubuntu?
[17:07] <MTecknology> Oh, I'd list the public projects that you've been working on
[17:07] <MTecknology> heh - you're working with magicfab some? I worked w/ one of his loco members on some of the stuff I'm trying to make into a super project
[17:08] <kiko> you are indeed drunk
[17:08] <kiko> that didn't make any sense!!
[17:08] <MTecknology> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syncropated/+bug/200357 Fabián Rodríguez
[17:09] <MTecknology> ubottu: no - don't repeat what I said....
[17:09] <MTecknology> i know...
[17:12] <MTecknology> kiko: does that make more sense now?
[17:14] <MTecknology> kiko: I'm in the process of trying to convince you that ubuntu-drupal should be a super project :P - I didn't have that intention but  Stuart Metcalfe suggested we could better manage all our projects with it. The openid-launchpad, launchpad-openid, and openid-teams modules are going to be part of it
[17:15] <MTecknology> the LoCo Fabián is involved in is the Quebec team. It's been working with that team to bring the LoCo-Drupal project to life. After it came to life, Metcalfe was interested (after prodding) and now we're thinking it might be a good idea to bring all this stuff into one central location (the super project)
[17:16] <MTecknology> but ya - if that makes sense, that's where I was coming from
[17:19] <MTecknology> kiko: oh - those projects will remain the same, we're planning on creating different branches for those projects. Canonical obviously wants to keep the entire control over those branches to themselves, so development will be under a different branch. But I haven't finalized this idea with Metcalfe, I've been waiting for his reply
[17:28] <kiko> MTecknology, but openid-launchpad and launchpad-openid don't have much to do with drupal.
[17:37] <MTecknology> kiko: eh - they work under drupal only
[17:38] <MTecknology> kiko: the loco-drupal team created the first port for Drupal5 to Drupal 6.
[17:38] <MTecknology> The current D6 dev is based directly off the port we created
[17:41] <kiko> MTecknology, um, maybe we are talking about different things. but let's have this chat monday :)
[17:42] <MTecknology> that's part of the reason we renamed loco-drupal to ubuntu-drupal. The things we're doing are expanding to include drupal related stuff that deals with ubuntu in general rather than just a loco. We're also working on a module that will replicate planet.ubuntu.com activity.
[17:42] <MTecknology> kiko: sure thing
[17:43]  * Nafallo tickles kiko
[17:43] <MTecknology> I wanna sleep! I've been up since 01h00, but house chores must be finished.l
[18:46] <kiko> bananinha?!
[18:46] <bananinha> hahaha ignore that
[18:47] <bananinha> makes sense in another channel :P
[22:32] <Bert_2> say, bugs that have been fixed a long time ago but are still marked as "confirmed", can I set them to fix released ?
[22:32] <Bert_2> eg. this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/47768
[22:33] <savvas> Bert_2: if you tested it, subscribe yourself and set it as "fix released" - this way you'll be informed of any different opinions :)
[22:34] <savvas> Bert_2: also mention which release you used to test it
[22:34] <savvas> and.. thanks for helping :)
[22:35] <Bert_2> savvas: is dapper still supported ?
[22:35] <wgrant> It is.
[22:35] <Bert_2> damn
[22:35] <savvas> June 2009 (Desktop)
[22:35] <savvas> June 2011 (Server)
[22:36] <Bert_2> well, I'll try to replicate this bug in dapper, feisty and hardy tomorrow then, cause I think this has been fixed and it's silly that it's still hanging around
[22:36] <wgrant> Feisty is dead.
[22:36] <Bert_2> wgrant: owyeah, that's right
[22:36] <Bert_2> forgot that
[22:37] <savvas> Bert_2: if you believe it's fixed on hardy, set it as fix released and mention that "this is fixed in ubuntu hardy 8.04"
[22:38] <Bert_2> savvas: well, the main problem I'm having now is that the duplicate doesn't seem to be the duplicate
[22:38] <Bert_2> in the on I linked to it has to do with USB stuff
[22:39] <Bert_2> but in the duplicate it's DKMS I think
[22:40] <savvas> hm..
[22:42] <savvas> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/47768/comments/42
[22:42] <savvas> Bert_2: it looks like you're right :)
[22:43] <Bert_2> yeah, they aren't the same, right ?
[22:43] <savvas> No, and I hope I'm right too :)
[22:43] <Bert_2> k
[22:44] <Bert_2> so what are we supposed to do now ?
[22:44] <Bert_2> (the bug part is new to me, I usually do translations and questions)
[22:44] <savvas> ah ok
[22:44] <savvas> go the duplicate bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/262588
[22:45] <savvas> you can edit it where it says "Duplicate of .. #47768"
[22:46] <savvas> and clear the duplicate
[22:46] <savvas> Bert_2: let me know when you're done :)
[22:46] <Bert_2> you mean on top in the box-y thing ?
[22:47] <Bert_2> ow wait, I found it
[22:47] <savvas> great :)
[22:48] <savvas> I'd give you the link, but it's better to get to know the interface
[22:48] <Bert_2> yeah, i've deleted the duplicate and posted a short comment
[22:48] <savvas> ok now there's an arrow next to "linux (Ubuntu)"
[22:49] <savvas> click on it
[22:49] <Bert_2> and put in DKMS ?
[22:49] <savvas> and choose status "Incomplete", ask the users "Hi, can you still reproduce this bug?"
[22:49] <Bert_2> in the box ?
[22:49] <Bert_2> k
[22:49] <savvas> er.. dunno wait
[22:50] <savvas> Bert_2: you're right, change it from linux to dkms as well
[22:52] <Bert_2> okey, I've changed the project it belong to, the status and added a message
[22:52] <Bert_2> so that's what you're supposed to do when you try to help with the bug stuff ?
[22:52] <Bert_2> or is there more ?
[22:53] <savvas> Bert_2: well, you can choose the correct package, you can forward the bugs upstream (to the appropriate website where the developers of the application can notice it) and stuff like that :)
[22:53] <Bert_2> okey
[22:54] <Bert_2> so the 5-a-day thing is just helping to identify basic stuff because users don't know always know all those things ?
[22:54] <Bert_2> *don't always know
[22:54] <Bert_2> (it's getting late apparently)
[22:54] <savvas> Bert_2: you also have to subscribe yourself at that bug, in case a user replies, you set it back to "Confirmed"
[22:55] <savvas> Bert_2: by the way, it's better to join #ubuntu-bugs for this kind of discussion :)
[22:56] <Bert_2> okey
[22:56] <Bert_2> np
[22:56] <Bert_2> thanks for your time
[22:56] <Bert_2> but now I'm off to bed
[22:56] <Bert_2> cya
[22:57] <savvas> night :)


[08:00] <mup> Bug #1861477 opened: [2.7] Regression: Commissioning data does contain block device information <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861477>
[08:03] <mup> Bug #1861477 changed: [2.7] Regression: Commissioning data does contain block device information <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861477>
[08:06] <mup> Bug #1861477 opened: [2.7] Regression: Commissioning data does contain block device information <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861477>
[09:24] <mup> Bug #1861477 changed: [2.7] Regression: Commissioning data does contain block device information <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861477>
[12:04] <mup> Bug #1861477 opened: [2.7] Regression: Commissioning data does contain block device information <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861477>


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[23:12] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 839 shortly for the day's update.
[23:34] <Bashing-om> saved and out.