[14:52] <grumbel> Is there any sane way to make the debian/ directory part of upstream, so that I don't have to fuss with creating a separate repository and stuff just to be able to build a .deb package?
[14:53] <grumbel> Or just any way to build a .deb package as part of the regular build process of the source code instead of a complete separate thing
[14:54] <grumbel> Basically I am looking for something as simple as "pip3 install ." is for Python code, but for .deb and C++
[15:56] <Elleo> grumbel: podbird does that: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/podbird/trunk/files


[01:49] <sergiusens> elopio, I pushed an integration test
[01:50]  * sergiusens waves goodnight and calls it a day
[05:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <shuduo> kgunn: just want to update what i did yesterday and today. i finally made qt clock demo work with vm. the early error msg might be lead by network problem. I used command line to install mir.mvp-demo few times and got it installed at last. then I followed Darren Landoll's method to change mir-run and install qt clock demo and see it run perfect now.
[07:05] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:04] <Chipaca> oh, that's nice
[08:05] <mvo> hm?
[08:05] <Chipaca> fmt doesn't check the return value of its internal buffer handling
[08:05] <Chipaca> ie, do fmt.Println or fmt.Printf
[08:06] <clobrano> morning all :)
[08:06]  * Chipaca reads further
[08:07] <Chipaca> ah, it's not a bytes, but a []byte with their own implementation of write that never returns error
[08:07] <Chipaca> ok, fair enough
[08:09] <Chipaca> ooh, and bytes.Buffer's write also has “err is always nil”
[08:09]  * Chipaca throws away some ifs
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Brandied Fruit Day! 😃  🍒
[09:13] <Chipaca> jdstrand: ogra_: mvo: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/snappy/config-modules/+merge/274987
[09:13] <Chipaca> jdstrand: ogra_: as it says in the branch, please do comment
[09:13] <Chipaca> looking for feedback
[10:08] <ogra_> Chipaca, why is potato a boolean ?
[10:09]  * ogra_ would expect a list instread ...
[10:13] <Chipaca> ogra_: because you potato, or you no potato
[10:13] <Chipaca> :-p
[10:13] <Chipaca> ogra_: why a list?
[10:14] <Chipaca> (if you say the above with a pseudo-latvian accent, we could do the whole shtick)
[10:14] <ogra_> Chipaca, because for i.e. firewalling i have to load a bunch of modules having a list makes it a lot easier for the admin
[10:15] <ogra_> vs calling the same command over and over to load them all
[10:15]  * ogra_ commented on the MP
[10:16] <Chipaca> i'll reply in the mp for jamie's benefit
[10:18] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images$ ls /lib/modules/3.13.0-65-generic/kernel/net/netfilter/|wc -l
[10:18] <ogra_> 115
[10:19] <ogra_> there is a module for each and every sub-function of the firewall ...
[10:21] <Chipaca> ogra_: replied
[10:27] <ogra_> me too :)
[10:34] <Chipaca> ogra_: thanks!
[10:34] <Chipaca> i'll leave it un-topapproved so jamie can get a word in
[10:34] <ogra_> yep
[10:34] <Chipaca> @remindme 3h top-approve modules config
[10:34] <nothal_> Chipaca: No such command!
[10:34] <ogra_> needs the core-config change too anyway
[10:34] <Chipaca> yes
[10:37] <Chipaca> ogra_: no time like the present :-p
[11:06] <sergiusens> Chipaca, hey, mind looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snapcraft/maven/+merge/274964
[12:23] <sergiusens> mvo, if you don't mind https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snapcraft/1507814/+merge/275021 your input would be good
[12:30]  * Chipaca branches *all* the things
[12:36] <mvo> Chipaca: and I will start with the make it things instead of if a|b|c{
[12:39] <Chipaca> mvo: is that a reasonable thing to do this week?
[12:39] <Chipaca> i mean, me no likey, but deadlines
[12:40] <mvo> Chipaca: good point, you seemed to suffer so much during the reviews that it looked like a good idea
[12:40] <mvo> Chipaca: let me time box it
[12:40] <mvo> Chipaca: and at least outline it
[12:41] <Chipaca> mvo: ok. I made my suffering explicit just so you knew i wasn't ok with it being like that forever, not for you to fix it now :)
[12:41] <sergiusens> mvo, apt has a big ft warning saying it shouldn't be used when scripting; is that no longer the case?
[12:41] <sergiusens> s/ft/fat/
[12:42] <sergiusens> ah, apt install doesn't just search
[12:43] <mvo> sergiusens: oh, well, its  a bit of a cry-baby
[12:43] <mvo> sergiusens: but it should be ok, no plans for changes in the cli for 16.04
[12:45] <sergiusens> mvo, maybe a different MP? This doesn't look very nice http://paste.ubuntu.com/12876464/
[12:47] <mvo> sergiusens: hm, ok
[13:01] <sergiusens> mvo, there, fixed; maybe approve now :-)
[13:43] <sergiusens> mvo, now that the meeting is over, approve my MP :-)
[13:45] <mvo> sergiusens: sorry I misclicked and did not notice
[13:45] <mvo> sergiusens: this was never "needs-fixing"
[13:46] <sergiusens> mvo, ah, well I abide to what the reviewer told me or it would be just bureaucracy to ask for reviews :-D
[13:47] <elopio> ogra_: can you help me making sense of this? "Debian supports the runtime modification of the Device Tree which is a feature required by BeagleBone-IO"
[13:47] <elopio> that's the dtoverlay you enabled for rpi, right?
[13:49] <ogra_> elopio, where is that from ?
[13:49] <ogra_> oh, BBB
[13:49] <elopio> ogra_: https://github.com/julianduque/beaglebone-io
[13:49] <ogra_> well, thats a BBB feature
[13:50] <ogra_> i doubt the Pi can support it
[13:50] <ogra_> BBB does that through capemgr ... (which seems to have gotten a replacement in 4.2 that ppisati perhaps knows the name for :) )
[13:50] <tedg> ogra_: davidm was trying to make a library to have standard GPIO across boards.
[13:51] <tedg> ogra_: Focusing on the 96boards, but might be something useful.
[13:51] <elopio> ogra_: I'm not looking after pi support for it. I just want to run beaglebone-io on bbb. But U didn't understand that requirement.
[13:51] <elopio> I don't have a /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*
[13:52] <elopio> s/U/I/
[13:56] <ogra_> elopio, right, thats a hack ... and it got replaced by some new mechanism in the mainline kernel afaik
[13:56] <ogra_> (capemgr is a hack i mean)
[13:57] <elopio> ogra_: ok. Let me give it a try.
[13:58] <ogra_> tedg, i wish him good luck with that :) (given that each and every board manages them different and in different layers of the system)
[14:01] <tedg> ogra_: Yeah, his goal was to align it with what users see on the board. i.e. on the header the first pin, because that could be any number of GPIO.
[14:01] <tbr> ogra_: cape manager is essentially back, now that it's mainline
[14:01] <ogra_> tbr, ah, then i dont get why we dont have it in our 4.2 kernel
[14:01] <tbr> check with rcn?
[14:01] <tbr> probably different api/incantations now
[14:02] <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^ ?
[14:03] <tbr> the official debian bbb images with 4.x kernel should support dynamical dtbo loading
[14:22] <ppisati> ogra_: nope, there's no cape manager in 4.2
[14:23] <ppisati> if they pulled it in 4.3+, i didn't notice that
[14:23] <ppisati> but i might have missed it
[14:24] <ogra_> ppisati, well, i wonder how to dynamically load dtbs then
[14:26] <ppisati> ogra_: i don't think there's any replacement fir that
[14:26] <ppisati> ogra_: my bet is tht they are running with a patched kernel
[14:26] <ogra_> well, see what tbr said above ... seems rcn-ee might know something here
[14:26] <ogra_> if we need a patch we're indeed screwed
[14:32] <ppisati> tbr: i don't see the capemanager in mainline, where is it?
[14:46] <tbr> ppisati: I'm not familiar with details, but I know overlays should work in 4.2 or 4.3. ask rcn-ee for details, he knows which patches he needs on top of which kernel version
[14:46] <tbr> or just look at the BBB scripts
[14:47] <ppisati> tbr: overlays are a way to change a single field in a DT node, cape manager builds on that
[14:47] <ppisati> tbr: and AFAICS, cape manager is not in mainline
[14:47] <tbr> ppisati: I didn't say that the 3.8.x kernel cape manager was 1:1 available in mainline now...
[14:49] <elopio> fgimenez: my only complaint about that waffle is that it's not free. Doesn't taiga give us something similar?
[14:49] <tbr> I do know though that rcn has been working on making things work in a *similar* fashion with his builds of mainline for BBB which seemed to have a fairly thin patchset (composition unknown)
[14:51] <fgimenez> elopio, mm it's free unless you use github enterprise https://waffle.io/pricing. maybe taiga also integrates with github, i'll take a look
[14:52] <elopio> fgimenez: gratis, no libre :)
[14:54] <fgimenez> elopio, yep :) iirc there was another project like this hosted in github itself, let me check
[15:00] <fgimenez> elopio, this one has an Apache License https://github.com/TWtablero/tablero, haven't tried it though
[15:00] <elopio> sergiusens: tedg: nexe creates a single file for nodejs projects. That seems like a nice shortcut :)
[15:00] <elopio> https://github.com/jaredallard/nexe
[15:02] <tedg> Seems like wrapping your JS in Python might be the definition of crazy :-)
[15:03] <tedg> Though certainly up for stealing code ideas.
[15:04] <davmor2> tedg: but if he wraps the python in bash it's ideal right?
[15:04] <tedg> I think it should *compile* the Python to Bash.
[15:06] <elopio> all the cool kids are compiling interpreted languages.
[15:46] <Rlyeh> Hi
[15:46] <Rlyeh> I cant run apps under docker :(
[15:47] <Rlyeh> This is my system information: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12877538/
[15:47] <Rlyeh> I cant start cgproxy, here is the status: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12877531/
[15:48] <Rlyeh> And this is my apps and their ports: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12877540/
[15:48] <Rlyeh> Docker cant run apps, why?
[15:49] <Rlyeh> How can I run apps under docker?
[15:50] <Chipaca> hmm, i don't remember who worked on the docker snap
[15:50] <ogra_> Rlyeh, you mean ther eis no owncloud running if you try to connet to it ?
[15:50] <ogra_> works fine here
[15:50] <Rlyeh> Yes
[15:50] <sergiusens> kickinz1|away, ^
[15:51] <Rlyeh> I'm in Iran, recently, docker applied some restriction for Iran and I cant login and pull images
[15:51] <Rlyeh> However owncloud is a local image
[15:51] <Rlyeh> But I cant run it
[15:51] <ogra_> no, the snap pulls from docker i think
[15:52] <ogra_> you should see info in syslog
[15:52] <ogra_> and it should tell you there if it cant startz
[15:52] <ogra_> *start
[15:52] <Rlyeh> Snappy downloaded the image, it was about 22MB
[15:52] <ogra_> thats only the env ... it then pulls the docker owncloud install on first startup i think
[15:53] <Rlyeh> OK, let me check the log...
[15:53] <ogra_> in any case, kickinz1|away is your man ... he m,aintains both packages
[15:54] <ogra_> theoretically snappy install docker and then snappy install owncloud should give you a working owncloud install though
[16:04] <ogra_> hmpf ...
[16:04] <ogra_> i think wer need to do something about our initrd ...
[16:05] <ogra_> booting with no root= arg set drops me into a shell ... while i would expect it to reboot on panic instead
[16:06] <ogra_> mvo, i'm wondering, does dropping to an initrd shell ever make sense in snappy ? i wonder if we should rewrite the panic() function for this to force a reboot instead
[16:08] <Guest42341> why am i on this channel??? wtf
[16:10] <mvo> ogra_: there is a open bug about this and pitti has some suggestions what we can do to make it do a reboot instead
[16:10] <Rlyeh> Ogra_, I didn't see anything wrong, but can you please check my log? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12877687/
[16:10] <ogra_> well, we just need to replace initrd's panic function
[16:10] <ogra_> Rlyeh, syslog, not dmesg
[16:10] <ogra_> dmes will only have kernel messages
[16:11] <ogra_> nothing from services usually
[16:11] <Rlyeh> By what command? syslog is not valid
[16:11] <ogra_> sudo less /var/log/syslog ?
[16:11] <ogra_> or some such
[16:25] <Rlyeh> oga_, you were right, the package was not pulled: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12877810/
[16:25] <Rlyeh> Damn it, why did they blocked Iran? :(
[16:37] <Chipaca> ogra_: do you recall offhand why we have pycurl on the image?
[16:38] <ogra_> i think that predates me
[16:38] <ogra_> but let me bet .,... zyga ?
[16:42] <ogra_> Chipaca, hmm, was snappy itself not initially python ?
[16:42] <Chipaca> yes
[16:42] <ogra_> could be a leftover from that
[16:42] <Chipaca> we've got pycurl, urllib3, and requests
[16:42] <ogra_> to download snaps
[16:43] <sergiusens> Chipaca, I know
[16:43] <sergiusens> Chipaca, system image
[16:43] <Chipaca> sergiusens: it uses all those?
[16:43] <ogra_> oh
[16:43] <sergiusens> Chipaca, it uses pycurl
[16:43] <Chipaca> ah, k
[16:43] <Chipaca> and requests?
[16:44] <sergiusens> Chipaca, is that directly seeded
[16:44] <Chipaca> dunno :)
[16:44] <ogra_> likely not
[16:44] <Chipaca> i just happened to ls /usr/lib/python*/dist-pacakges
[16:44] <Chipaca> and saw more than i was expecting
[16:44] <Chipaca> including jinja (!??)
[16:45] <sergiusens> Chipaca, urllib3 is a dep for requests; I don't think anyone is using urllib3 directly
[16:45] <Chipaca> ah, ok
[16:45] <sergiusens> we just need to figure out who uses requests :-)
[16:45] <sergiusens> ogra_, where is the package manifest for the latest build?
[16:46] <ogra_> just ubseed it and see what fails ;)
[16:46] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/wily-preinstalled-core-amd64.manifest
[16:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, it isn't directly seeded, is it?
[16:46] <ogra_> wily
[16:46] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/current/vivid-preinstalled-core-amd64.manifest
[16:46] <ogra_> vivid
[16:47] <sergiusens> Chipaca, ogra_ so cloud-init depends on python3-requests ;-)
[16:47] <ogra_> and no, i dont see it in the seeds
[16:47] <ogra_> oh man
[18:57] <mvo_> ogra_: I suspect there is something with the resize script, if I remove system-ab my system hangs forever in what appears to be the resize script. is there a way to enable debug mode, i.e. see what its doing?
[21:00] <kgunn> sergiusens: so y;day we were discussing how snapcraft shouldn't look outside it's proj directory for pulled libs...and i ran into something just want to chat thru
[21:00] <kgunn> so for mir, i got snapcraft to the point of actually compiling on my wily machine (where boost is installed on the system)
[21:01] <kgunn> so went to lxc for vivid, started there...didn't get past cmake...
[21:01] <kgunn> well, mir has a FindBoost.cmake that searches for boost based on $boostroot or some such, if it can't find it goes to /usr where it finds it...
[21:02] <kgunn> in this case, should i simply create a plugin extension specific to mir, to pass in a Boost_DIR=<dir>  as part of the cmake .. call ?
[21:03] <kgunn> also...kind of interesting that the cmake file went and looked for stuff outside the project dir, not sure how snapcraft would fight against that...
[21:08] <tedg> kgunn: We can't fight against it other than when you push it to LP it won't work.
[21:09] <tedg> kgunn: The cmake plugin has a parameter I believe for build flags, let me check.
[21:10] <kgunn> tedg: i mean that's not awful...but if i hadn't tried it in lxc, i wouldn't have realized
[21:10] <tedg> kgunn: Yeah, it's an array, configflags, those will get passed to cmake
[21:10] <tedg> I think we need to figure out a warning or something. Not sure how we'd implement it.
[21:10] <tedg> But yeah, I've had that problem.
[21:14] <gchristensen> Hi, is there documentation on making a snappy package for a docker image?
[21:32] <tedg> I think that kirkland wrote a blog post on that... let me look.
[21:32] <gchristensen> another thing is, is there a way to install ruby? :/ `search` isn't showing anything.
[21:34] <tedg> gchristensen: You wouldn't install ruby in the base system, it would be included in the application that uses it.
[21:35] <tedg> Ah, there it is. gchristensen: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2015/07/prime-time-docker-juju-and-snappy.html
[21:36] <gchristensen> ok, thank you for the help and information tedg. I don't think snappy is a good fit for this project, though.
[21:36] <gchristensen> cheers, good luck -- I look forward to checking it out again in a year or so.
[21:44] <sergiusens> tedg, kgunn the best way to circumvent that is to put snapcraft under apparmor and restrict access to /include and /usr/include ;-)
[21:45] <sergiusens> not the best way, just a quick way
[21:45] <tedg> Yeah, I figured that wouldn't be flexible enough. As we'd want the libc headers from there, for instance.
[21:45] <tedg> Perhaps if we could make it only give a warning or something like that.
[21:46] <sergiusens> right


[17:08] <xu-irc56w> Hi, totally newbie about Xubuntu, I've just installed one on a virtual machine. I'm looking for a general configuration menu as the one i can find with Ubuntu or debian. I have a menu with multiple items, but not a general one.
[17:12] <diogeness> xu-irc56w: what is a 'genera one'?
[17:15] <xu-irc56w> a one which gather all parameters, not a pulldown menu. But I guess I've founded what I was looking for. Now my second problem is with the language used for the password when I log in. I have a french keyboard, and of course the language choosen is french, but I have to enter my password in english, once done, everything is in french. I don't know
[17:15] <xu-irc56w> why.
[17:20] <xu-irc87w> I have bought this USB wi-fi adapter, through lsusb my system detects the device as "Bus 003 Device 020: ID 0bda:c832 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11ax WLAN Adapter", but it does not work. How can I get this to work?
[17:21] <xu-irc87w> On windows the USB adapter is pretty much plug and play, name of the driver on Windows is RLT 8832CU
[17:25] <diogeness> xu-irc87w: one question at a time would be better :)
[17:27] <xu-irc87w> I don't understand what you mean by that, that was one question. The second message was extra info I forgot to mention that complements the first one
[17:31] <xu-irc56w> A general question : I have an old laptop, (17 years old), I've installed Debian on it, but it's very very slow. Do you think Xubuntu would be a better choice on such machine?
[18:12] <luca_> ciooo
[18:12] <luca_> ciao
[18:13] <ikwyl6> anyone know where syndaemon might be called from on startup? I want to change the default settings but cannot find where it's called from (A timer maybe)?
[18:13] <luca_> italia
[21:05] <randombeans> hey all!


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[11:32] <rick_h_> morning
[12:28] <_stink_> yo
[12:32] <brousch> I love the Python community. I contacted the PyImageSearch guy and he sent me a free hard copy of his book to give away at the next GRPUG (which is a talk about OpenCV)
[12:34] <brousch> I'm less enthused about O'Reilly's "partnering" changes. It's all ebooks now
[12:34] <cmaloney> good morning
[12:35] <cmaloney> brousch: yeah.
[12:35] <cmaloney> though I completely understand the change
[12:35] <brousch> I guess, but it was so nice to get a box of relevant books from them
[12:35] <cmaloney> si si
[12:36] <brousch> I was spoiled
[12:36] <cmaloney> heh, us too
[13:17] <jrwren> egon was right, print is dead
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> so many things are dead and people don't even know it yet
[13:28] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: whoa deep.
[13:28] <mrgoodcat> books (paper of any kind really), cable tv, landlines, privacy, etc
[13:29] <jrwren> life is time before death.
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> i got sling tv and a digital antenna
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> 1000 times happier than when i was paying for cable
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> sling tv is targeted squarely at people like me who hate paying for cable or who never have (read millenials)
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> millennials*
[13:38] <brousch> Print is dying. It's not dead yet.
[13:41] <jrwren> print will never die before me. You can have my paper book from my cold dead heads.
[13:59] <cmaloney> The Roku is perfect for us because I have a hard time paying for something that is pre-programmed with stuff I couldn't care less about
[13:59] <cmaloney> and paying handsomely at that
[14:04] <jrwren> i would really like a programmed channel for kodi, that would be really cool.
[14:05] <jrwren> channels even, so I could say, when you click this channel it plays this content at this time of day.
[14:06] <cmaloney> Well, I understand the need for live programming
[14:06] <cmaloney> I get that in spades
[14:06] <cmaloney> but having pre-programmed content that can't be changed (eg: it's a Pawn Stars Marathon) is pretty silly.
[14:07] <cmaloney> I know some folks use TV as background noise though so maybe I'm the fuddy-duddy here.
[14:21] <jrwren> I love a good NCIS marathon on USA :)
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i use my tv as background noise
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> usa not a OTA channel and not on sling so i dont get it anymore
[14:46] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: I always disliked that. I know that many many people do it.


[00:14] <James0r> got google earth working by building a package with googleearth-package but i'm getting this http error when searching for location.
[00:14] <James0r> a post recommended renaming libcurl.so.4 but that didn't work
[01:48] <James0r> anyone know a fix for this 'invalid http request' error when searching for a location in google earth 6.0.3?
[02:44] <brokerer> hi, somebody can tell me where is the amarok's source-code my system is kubuntu 13.10
[03:03] <hololight> Two questions: When I open a magnet link for a torrent, it opens in ktorrent just fine and downloads; but in the notifications area it shows 'Examining' which never goes away (even after the download is finished)
[03:04] <rianav> ok. and?
[03:04] <hololight> That is normal behavior?
[03:05] <hololight> not 'finished' or anything....
[03:05] <hololight> with a 'stop' or 'pause' button shown next to an empty progress bar
[03:06] <hololight> the second question has to do with virtuoso-t maxing out the cpu... I know it is needed for file indexing (which i like), anyway to make it behave itself? or is my only option to get rid of it
[03:07] <rianav> does this happen with other user accounts on the machine?
[03:07] <hololight> which?
[03:07] <rianav> sorry i mean the torrent issue.
[03:08] <hololight> dont know, single user; but if you have an idea I'll create another user
[03:20] <sony1337> hallo
[04:21] <brokerer> where is the amarok's source-code? my system is kubuntu 13.10
[04:56] <forgeaus> where? hmm good question kde repositories I guess... shouldn't be too hard to find it is an opensource project ...
[05:43] <jarkko_> anyone installed crossover on kubuntu?
[06:36] <soundquest> HEY
[06:46] <MySystem> Hello i need some help to find out what happens to my kde and hopefully reverse the changes.Short system information:Kubuntu 13.10 with newest available kernel for amd64 and nvidia graphic running on nvidia driver(not the open source).  What i've done: Was trying to get my DungeonKeeper2 to run with PlayOnLinux.The last try killed my kde, the only thing i saw was a big cursor(low resolution effect), the nice new blue dots in the left and right upper corn
[06:47] <MySystem> !pastebin
[06:48] <MySystem> thx ubottu also was my idea after post
[06:53] <MySystem> sry for spam here the formated version http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/
[07:09] <MySystem> ui and sry again writing this text took longer as expected its getting early here(germany) and need to go to bed but i will come back in 8-12h and then i will stay much longer. have a nice day/night, special thx and sry to those who read the text and thought about it but pls keep in mind if you have ideas
[08:01] <Caleb--> what's the deal with muon-updater? i fear it more than i fear the iranian nukes
[08:01] <Caleb--> it's like a russian roulette. most of the time the updater hangs at some process and i end up having to shut it down
[08:02] <Caleb--> and then manually remove locks on the dpkg database
[08:02] <Caleb--> for example, i'm trying to update now and it's stuck on "Configuring update-notifier-common"
[08:12] <valorie> Caleb--: have you filed/given your input on a muon-updater bug?
[08:13] <Caleb--> no, i have no idea how to preciesely reproduce it, or what the underlying problem is
[08:13] <Caleb--> (i'm a linux newbie, btw. running kubuntu on a VM)
[08:13] <valorie> that is a hard one, for sure
[08:13] <valorie> might be this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1245061
[08:14] <valorie> would be good to add your input, then the devel can contact you to test fixes
[08:15] <Caleb--> btw, i'm trying to make the fonts in KDE look a little more like they do on windows.  i've played with the KDE Fonts settings dialog.  any idea idea where these settings are stored?
[08:16] <Caleb--> because i read about  ~/.fonts.conf file that you can create, and i was wondering if that file wil override my KDE settings, or will just get ignored
[08:16] <valorie> hmmm
[08:16] <valorie> !fonts
[08:16] <valorie> might be of help
[08:16] <Caleb--> i already installed the fonts
[08:16] <Caleb--> http://superuser.com/questions/8824/bad-font-anti-aliasing-in-ubuntu?rq=1
[08:16] <Caleb--> look at the Ubuntu screenshot in that post
[08:17] <Caleb--> it seems to me that the fonts in Ubuntu are a little "bolder" than the Windows ones.
[08:18] <valorie> gosh, it's been years since I had to mess with fonts at all
[08:19] <valorie> I use the ubuntu font for nearly everything, although that isn't the most loved in KDE-land
[08:19] <valorie> works for me in Kubuntu though
[08:20] <Caleb--> ah
[08:20] <Caleb--> i copied my windows fonts over
[08:21] <Caleb--> Consolas is an awesome monospaced font
[08:22] <valorie> I don't see anywhere in the ~/.kde folder where font stuff would be
[08:22] <valorie> so your fonts.conf file will probably do the trick
[08:23] <Caleb--> ok
[08:23] <Caleb--> the Fonts dialog covers most options, except the "autohint" one
[08:23] <valorie> or in .config
[10:06] <Tjaden> hola buenos dias
[10:16] <alket> Hi I am having a problem with Chrome and Ktorrent with magnet link, whenever I click a magnet link in Chrome the Ktorrent opens but download doesn't start and in System Notifications its always pending ? Thank you in advance !
[11:25] <jarkko_> why ufw is disabled by default??
[12:09] <frank1> hallo
[12:09] <frank1>  hoe kan ik op mijn schermrand zien dat bv firefox is geminmalizeerd?
[12:10] <frank1> had dir eerst wel   blijkbaar iets fout gedaan
[12:10] <frank1> dit
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:19] <MySystem> hi blueskaj
[12:20] <BluesKaj> hi MySystem
[12:20] <MySystem> and hello all the others i have a problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/
[12:22] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card ?
[12:23] <MySystem> Geforce GTX 550 TI on nvidia driver version 304.108
[12:25] <forgeaus> nvidia is a problem for me too I get nothing absoultely black during boot ...
[12:25] <BluesKaj> on13.10 ?
[12:25] <forgeaus> have to start in recovery mode...
[12:25] <BluesKaj> MySystem.^
[12:25] <forgeaus> yes 13.10
[12:25] <forgeaus> was working before dist upgrade
[12:25] <MySystem> also 13.10 thought i wrote it
[12:26] <forgeaus> fixed my boot issues with grub (went to grub2) but no ptolemy is it? no X (unless X runs but I just don't see it)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> MySystem.  13.10 as well ?
[12:26] <MySystem> yes blueskaj
[12:26] <forgeaus> if I run in recovery mode I can get into my kdesktop though
[12:26] <forgeaus> just have to log into a virtual terminal and startx;startkde
[12:27] <MySystem> forgeaus which driver the opensource or the one from nvidia
[12:27] <forgeaus> I used jokey-kde and it didn't matter
[12:28] <forgeaus> I tried both no difference once it changed unless the change didn't go through
[12:28] <forgeaus> but the selected one is different
[12:28] <forgeaus> so I'm assuming it worked
[12:28] <forgeaus> actually I don't think it did now, I'll try loading the restricted one again
[12:28] <BluesKaj> MySystem. latest proptietary driver should be the 3.19
[12:29] <MySystem> whith my low experience i would try to uninstall and reinstall the driver and let it regenerate the xorg.conf (if it exists) but iam also here for help and not a pro
[12:29] <forgeaus> I don't even kow if its the driver that is the problem though
[12:30] <MySystem> ok thats interessting but can this cause all the kde settings loss?
[12:30] <MySystem> but i will download and try it elseway
[12:30] <forgeaus> I don't have a settings loss
[12:32] <BluesKaj> in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers , there should be some choices , run the cursor over each one to find the 3,19 then choose it to install, it will auto remove the old driver while installing
[12:33] <MySystem> the cursor that would be a nice feature *smile* but i try to get there keyboard helps
[12:35] <MySystem> yes i know forgeaus be i have as i said iam also here for help
[12:36] <MySystem> sry i should start writing reciever names for text
[12:37] <BluesKaj> the 3.19 should be the nvidia-current driver for most nvidia cards on saucy , you can do sudo apt-get install nvidia-current in the terminal or the shell/tty , ctrl+alt+F1 - F6 . this goes for you too forgeaus
[12:38] <MySystem> nice idea blueskaj would be much easier
[12:38] <forgeaus> ok I'll try it
[12:38] <forgeaus> this gui installer has stalled anyway
[12:38] <forgeaus> and I don't particularly feel like rebooting right now
[12:40] <BluesKaj> forgeaus. MySystem , once the driver installs , a reboot will be required
[12:40] <forgeaus> yeah I know
[12:41] <MySystem> i know that would be no problem
[12:41] <MySystem> first apt have to be rdy
[12:41] <forgeaus> but I'm multitasking with some other stuff... so right now just isn't a good time to reboot thats all
[12:43] <MySystem> ok its rdy iam going for restart see you in a min
[12:51] <MySystem> back but for some reason the old driver is still active (used the graphical version additional driver will now try via konsole direct apt
[12:52] <BluesKaj> MySystem. wait
[12:53] <MySystem> ok i took a look in aptitude there is an "i" for installed at beginning of the nvidia-319* line
[12:53] <MySystem> but also a c bevor nvidia-304* (the old one)
[12:55] <BluesKaj> first run this in the terminal. glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the installed driver will show beside "version string "
[12:56] <forgeaus> for me it returns :
[12:56] <BluesKaj> you may need to install mesa-utils
[12:56] <forgeaus> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560/PCIe/SSE2
[12:56] <forgeaus> OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 319.60
[12:57] <forgeaus> and a few other lines that don't seem relevant unless you want them
[12:57] <BluesKaj> forgeaus. ok , then you should be fine , unless there is sometrhing else amiss
[12:58] <soee> good morning :)
[12:58] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6504048/ ok looks good
[12:58] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6504048/
[12:59] <BluesKaj> ok MySystem you should be fibe too
[12:59] <BluesKaj> fine
[12:59] <forgeaus> should be
[13:00] <forgeaus> I think all the nvidia packages (or thsoe they point to if they're meta) are marked as installed anyway
[13:00] <MySystem> ok thats good now i have the new nvidia driver ever good to have but the problems ignore that
[13:01] <forgeaus> yeah the settings thing sounds like a different problem from mine
[13:01] <forgeaus> and neither of us sounds like we had graphic driver problems anyway lol
[13:02] <BluesKaj> mucked up kde needs fixing, reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[13:02] <forgeaus> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[13:02] <MySystem> i hope that was not the solution for me blueskaj else *unhappy*
[13:03] <forgeaus> MySystem, don't be unhappy, its not BluesKaj's fault,
[13:03] <forgeaus> he's trying to assist you ... remember
[13:03] <MySystem> that is clear blueskaj is the best
[13:03] <forgeaus> it would be nice if it helped admittedly ...
[13:04] <MySystem> he is the one who ever helped me think he now i like him
[13:04] <forgeaus> I'm not going to know until I reset which I think I'm almost about to do
[13:04] <MySystem> unhappy because of the fear to loose more kde settings be reinstalling
[13:04] <MySystem> be= at
[13:05] <forgeaus> MySystem, maybe #KDE people might have more idea about this, there was problems early on with KDE4 not remembering settings
[13:05] <BluesKaj> MySystem. do you have the kubuntu backports enabled in muon or sources.list ?
[13:05] <rwc2> what is expected to be quicker: scrubing my system of the ati/amd drivers i want to uninstall, or reinstalling the OS
[13:06] <MySystem> dont thnik so blueskaj but will look and post
[13:06] <BluesKaj> the former , rwc2
[13:06] <rwc2> BluesKaj, i've followed some instructions found on google, but they still remain
[13:07] <forgeaus> how do I add backports now?
[13:08] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6504079/ no i dont see backports in sources
[13:08] <BluesKaj> rwc2. if you have a particular driver in mind and ready to install , usually the installer will auto remove the old driver
[13:08] <forgeaus> sources looks all different
[13:08] <forgeaus> than what I remember
[13:09] <rwc2> rwc2, i just want to regress to the default kubuntu driver
[13:09] <rwc2> BluesKaj, ^^
[13:09] <MySystem> oh iam blind
[13:10] <MySystem> blueskaj there is an entry http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-backports
[13:11] <BluesKaj> never mind , not a good idea, for regular users , the backports are for devs and bleeding edge users , sometimes I forget ..sorry forgeaus and MySystem
[13:12] <BluesKaj> MySystem. yes those the official source backports
[13:12] <MySystem> ok so this entry isnt my result should i go on with reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[13:13] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:14] <MySystem> ok do you have a cmd for me because synaptic without mouse isnt nice and apt-get i only knew install remove but no reinstall also think i have to shut down the kde first
[13:15] <MySystem> sry that i want this but brwosing without cursor also isnt nice and its not the time for more experiments
[13:16] <forgeaus> ugh synaptic, I prefer muon
[13:16] <forgeaus> note: I have similar issues with my mouse but only in Gnome
[13:16] <BluesKaj> MySystem. sudo apt-get install -reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[13:16] <forgeaus> or unity I think
[13:16] <MySystem> i hate muon *smile* to userfriendly
[13:16] <forgeaus> it works fine with my KDE mouse theme though
[13:16] <MySystem> thx blueskaj
[13:17] <forgeaus> there is such a thing as too user-friendly?
[13:17] <forgeaus> uh blues I think that just installs the metapackage alone doesn't it?
[13:17] <forgeaus> not its dependancies
[13:18] <forgeaus> unless theres missing dependancies taht is
[13:18] <MySystem> dont think so forgeaus but i dont like the way it works it looks and also had some problems with it since the 13.10 updates
[13:18] <forgeaus> fair enough I guess MySystem I haven't had such problems personally so can't exactly say
[13:18] <BluesKaj> synaptic works well in ubnuntu , but i found it unstable in kubuntu for some reason , anyway muon is mature enough now to be reliable in my experience
[13:19] <forgeaus> poor old adept lol
[13:19] <forgeaus> I miss kpackage
[13:20] <BluesKaj> forgeaus. if you have any suggestions that can help here , feel free to do so
[13:20] <forgeaus> I used to be able to mess with some slackware packages (simple straight binary only ones) and add them to kubuntu without problems lol
[13:20] <forgeaus> BluesKaj: no eye deer ...
[13:20] <MySystem> my apt have done this cmd in a few seconds blueskaj reboot now?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> relogin should suffice
[13:21] <MySystem> k
[13:21] <MySystem> then be back
[13:23] <BluesKaj> for I think adept sort of morphed into muon iirc
[13:23] <BluesKaj> forgeaus.^
[13:23] <forgeaus> yeah pretty much seems to have
[13:23] <forgeaus> kpackagekit or something like that was inbetween ...
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yeah I used synaptic for yrs
[13:24] <forgeaus> now that seems like some kinda backend or something ...
[13:24] <forgeaus> one of the dystros had a kynaptic
[13:24] <forgeaus> lol distros if I can type it right
[13:24] <BluesKaj> well they all use dpkg anyway , it's the base
[13:24] <forgeaus> yeah
[13:25] <forgeaus> apt, aptitude, etc are all just different levels of front end to dpkg
[13:26] <forgeaus> muon being a gui one
[13:26] <forgeaus> but kpackage was different in a way, because it let you hold multiple types of repos (like emerge, rpm, tgz, possubly conary, etc)
[13:27] <forgeaus> more of a gui frontend to smart (which in itself was all that)
[13:27] <forgeaus> wb MySystem
[13:27] <MySystem> thx
[13:27] <MySystem> sadly i dont see any changes
[13:29] <MySystem> but i stay optimistic its linux there is one or more way
[13:29] <forgeaus> so maybe its a security issue? or settings are getting rewritten back? either that or not changing in the first place, or changing for the wrong user?... just throwing out ideas...
[13:30] <forgeaus> (I wonder if he xepyhrs to a root user desktop if the changes are there or not? )
[13:30] <forgeaus> just a thought, but I'm not sure it would be helpful
[13:30] <MySystem> thx iam happy for any idea , wrong user i dont think so there isnt another normal kde user like uid 1001
[13:31] <forgeaus> MySystem, yeah but you are making changes right? those changes aren't being kept, or aren't being written, I was just wondering if the changes went somewhere, just not to the right place?...
[13:32] <forgeaus> or is the right place just too well security-protected to be adjusted?...
[13:33] <MySystem> that is an interessting idea because i haven't tried to change settings so i dont know if they are kept or not the only setting i changes was nvidia graphic to get view on my default monitor but these are written to xorg.conf by nvidia
[13:33] <forgeaus> still kde settings like icon themes and stuff are probably somewhere buried in a .file or place under ~ (as in /home/<user>)
[13:34] <forgeaus> well settings in /etc are systemwide so require root priviliges to change
[13:34] <MySystem> yes nvidia driver asks for root access
[13:34] <forgeaus> in fact any settings outside of the whole ~ subtree should require root to alter
[13:35] <MySystem> i will have a look in dolphin at the kde settings folder
[13:35] <forgeaus> but many user kde settings are just for the user so somewehre inside the ~ subtree
[13:35] <forgeaus> hehe I use krusader ... never really liked the switch to dolphin
[13:36] <forgeaus> the whole breadcrumbs bar just ruined it for me... felt like it was trying to be nautilus ...
[13:38] <MySystem> yes /home/[user]/.kde/share/config
[13:39] <forgeaus> sounds like a reasonable place to put them yeah
[13:39] <MySystem> if iam not missinterpreting this the old settings are still there, i searched for a config file where i know what i set and what isnt present atm so i opened kwinrulesrc and found some settings like my synaptic have to start on desktop 4
[13:40] <MySystem> dimensions positions of other which i set are also known to me
[13:41] <forgeaus> so whats that mean?
[13:41] <forgeaus> its got a different set for each virtual desktop? or is desktop 4 something else?
[13:42] <MySystem> i think my old "lost" settings are still there where they have to be but iam not 100% sure
[13:42] <forgeaus> (I named mine)
[13:42] <forgeaus> so if they're still there why aren't they being used when you log in is the question then right?
[13:42] <MySystem> which config saves the backgrounds
[13:43] <BluesKaj> MySystem. you shouldn't try to modify kde conf files directly , that's what system settings gui is for
[13:43] <MySystem> good question they are at the right place (at my knowlegde) owner and group are my username and right are user rw group and others none
[13:43] <forgeaus> I'm not sure the desktop 4 thing is helpful though if you've used synaptic and its start on desktop 4 then wouldn't whatever other changes you made to desktop 4 (your default?) would go through ...
[13:44] <forgeaus> besides I think its only the background and activites that you can set to be desktop-specific isn't it? ...
[13:45] <forgeaus> I doubt you'd be able to set a while different kdestyle or cursor set etc. to each desktop ...
[13:46] <MySystem> ok a test with synaptic shows it starts at desktop 4 and another thing happens had the file opened in kate and it recognize that the file has changed as i started synaptic
[13:47] <MySystem> yes background activities widgets and was set for each kdestyle and cursor i think you're right that this isnt possible for each desktop
[13:48] <forgeaus> so if you change something global it should work for that user ...
[13:49] <forgeaus> (or confine backgrounds/widget sets to NOT be desktop specific - making those changes global too - for that user in the desktop sense anyway) ....
[13:51] <forgeaus> wouldn't half life 3 make it 1.5th of a life? lol kidding
[14:03] <MySystem> *smile*
[14:03] <MySystem> iam looking over the config which one i can test change, have to be some file with atm missing settings, also sorted by file change date but without a cursor it takes a bit longer
[14:04] <MySystem> short afk to go for a smoke
[14:05] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:05] <MySystem> hello lordievader
[14:06] <lordievader> Hey MySystem, how are you?
[14:07] <MySystem> unhappy i killed somehow a lot of kde settings
[14:07] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/
[14:07] <MySystem> and how are you
[14:08] <lordievader> Doing ok, having a fight with Window's portproxy rules.
[14:08] <lordievader> But I do have mint tea, so that makes up for it I guess.
[14:10] <lordievader> MySystem: Make a new user and see if that new user has the same problems.
[14:11] <MySystem> then i hope it make it for you , and a new user interessting idea but this one doesnt have settings set that can get lost, by the way settings i make now seems to take effekt and stay
[14:12] <forgeaus> but does it stay between sessions?
[14:12] <forgeaus> current session is fine, between sessions is another matter
[14:12] <MySystem> for this i have to leave you short be back in a min
[14:12] <forgeaus> no problem
[14:13] <forgeaus> I'll be here
[14:19] <MySystem> back
[14:20] <MySystem> ok i tested with widget because these are all lost and the test widget is still there
[14:22] <MySystem> a question what is lightdm because i think to restart this service was my fault
[14:23] <lordievader> MySystem: Lightdm is your displaymanager/login screen.
[14:24] <MySystem> ok can someone imagine what happens if i restart lightdm while kde is logged on with my user and runnning
[14:25] <lordievader> MySystem: Since those programs depend on X and X is killed, the programs that depend on it are killed too.
[14:26] <MySystem> ok nearly that was my idea as i sended the restart cmd
[14:28] <MySystem> ok now i go realy for a smoke the last try failed because of ides
[14:28] <MySystem> ideas
[14:36] <MySystem> ok friend came with another pc with something todo i think my probs have to wait
[14:38] <MySystem> i stay here if ideas tell pls else i test and tell here later first thx lordievader blueskaj forgeaus for all the ideas we go on later
[14:44] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:49] <Robbiecano> !ops | help my penis is stuck in my 40oz beer how can i get it out?
[14:49] <jussi> Robbiecano: again?
[14:57] <forgeaus> wow they're still developing Kpackage apparently ...
[15:01] <ovrflw0x> http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found <-- what to do now?
[15:03] <forgeaus> ovr 32-bit? could you run the amd64 version instead? .. (assuming thats not missing too)
[15:13] <ovrflw0x> forgeaus: that's missing too 404
[15:13] <forgeaus> ouch
[15:13] <ovrflw0x> aoouch
[15:14] <ovrflw0x> AAAaaaaaaooouch
[15:14] <forgeaus> well its plausible it has moved sites? ... google where to get it from now I guess ...
[15:15] <ovrflw0x> hey forgeaus what's going on?
[15:15] <ovrflw0x> how long have you been using kubuntu?
[15:15] <forgeaus> oh since about Edgy
[15:15] <forgeaus> on and off..
[15:15] <ovrflw0x> and when was edgy?
[15:15] <ovrflw0x> 2007?
[15:15] <forgeaus> something like that
[15:16] <ovrflw0x> you looked at no other distro since 2007 forgeaus?
[15:16] <forgeaus> thats not correct...
[15:16] <forgeaus> I've LOOKED at many, even used some since then
[15:16] <ovrflw0x> so what's the conclusion ?
[15:16] <forgeaus> and looked at some others before then, though none successfully ...
[15:16] <ovrflw0x> so what's the conclusion?
[15:16] <forgeaus> I like how kde feels so integrated with kubuntu
[15:16] <forgeaus> with something like PCLinuxOS it looks and feels more like kde slapped on top of another distro
[15:17] <forgeaus> while kubuntu is similar (ie kde slapped on top of Ubuntu - currently
[15:17] <forgeaus> it doesn't feel separate
[15:18] <forgeaus> (that being said I think PC-BSD does an ok job of KDE on BSD ... )
[15:19] <forgeaus> maybe thats because back when I used PCLinuxOS there were KDE alternatives taht weren't taken advantage of, like x-chat instead of something like konversation or quassel
[15:20] <forgeaus> and the desktop wallpaper was a PCLinuxOS specific one that didn't have any KDE feel...
[15:20] <forgeaus> but thats just cosmetic
[15:35] <forgeaus> hey MySystem how's it going?
[15:36] <forgeaus> lordie are you still there? why lightdm instead of kdm?
[15:40] <MySystem> have another pc patient here from guest have to do it first
[15:40] <MySystem> my have to wait but will tell and test later on
[17:24] <aPpYe> I am building a KDE system from Ubuntu mini 13.10.  I have apt-get's Install-Recommends feature disabled.  If I build the system WITH recommends, everything is fine.  If I build WITHOUT, the Languages tab under Locale in System Settings is stuck with a progress meter that hangs at 0% forever.
[17:25] <aPpYe> Linked…  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505158/  ...is a list of packages (what would come with Install-Recommends enabled) that fixes the issue.  I am having a really hard time figuring out what package(s) from this list are required for the Language tab to work correctly.
[17:25] <aPpYe> any help is appreciated.
[17:27] <aPpYe> hm.  maybe #ubuntu ...
[17:38] <ovrflw0x> hey aPpYe
[17:38] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you there?
[17:38] <ovrflw0x> bud
[17:48] <aPpYe> ovrflw0x, I am here now. ..
[17:48] <aPpYe> walked away for a minute.
[18:01] <aPpYe> sigh...
[18:03] <dbc254> bought an external drive enclosure for my 2.5 laptop drive on ebay. Works just fine on Windows machines. Linux? Not so much.
[18:04] <dbc254> What am I doing wrong. Formatted using NTFS. Little 300gb drive.
[18:04] <dbc254> usb powered, no external power supply
[18:07]  * aPpYe is afraid to walk away from his computer
[18:09] <aPpYe> dbc254, I would start with a standard fat32 format for an external drive and see what happens from there.
[18:09] <aPpYe> oh ... 300gb
[18:10] <dbc254> Is there a limitation?
[18:10] <dbc254> I went with NTFS, because of the 4gig limitation of adding large files.
[18:11] <dbc254> I can't even see the drive on Kubuntu. Have a windows machine at work, so I have to take the drive to work to reformat.
[18:12] <aPpYe> 32gb officially, but I have formatted larger.  Most of the time usb drives appear as /dev/sd* on my system.  NTFS should work though.  Do you see any additional items (by typing ls -al /dev/sd*) before/after you plug the device in?
[18:13] <aPpYe> but the 4gb limitation is something that cannot be gotten around with fat32
[18:14] <aPpYe> also, you could try installing ntfs-3g, but I have not played with external ntfs drives under linux much.  I know I have gotten it to work before.
[18:15] <aPpYe> but I think that should already be installed on a standard kubuntu ...
[18:16] <aPpYe> so ... from konsole, try ls -al /dev/sd* ... then plug in the device and run the same command and see if any other /dev/sd* items appear.
[18:18] <aPpYe> ovrflw0x, I am worried that you had some magic answer for me ...
[18:18] <aPpYe> and I missed ti.
[18:26] <dbc254> kubuntu can't see it. .   I had no idea there was a 32gb external limitation. I have two external drives running NTFS. One was store-bought and one was an enclosure for a 3.5 SATA drive with power supply. This litle usb only drive enclosure is for a 2.5. Both of the aforementioned drives are 500gb
[18:27] <dbc254> I thought it was this cheap enclosure until I took it to work and it works just fine. . .
[18:28] <aPpYe> no ... 32gb limitation on fat32, according to microsoft, no limitation on external drives.
[18:31] <ovrflw0x> hey aPpYe i just wanted to say that your nickname looks like a furry bunny
[18:32] <aPpYe> lol ... sigh.
[18:32] <aPpYe> thanks for getting my hopes up.
[18:32] <aPpYe> and what?
[18:32] <ovrflw0x> what's your problem anyways?
[18:32] <aPpYe> I am building a KDE system from Ubuntu mini 13.10.  I have apt-get's Install-Recommends feature disabled.  If I build the system WITH recommends, everything is fine.  If I build WITHOUT, the Languages tab under Locale in System Settings is stuck with a progress meter that hangs at 0% forever.
[18:32] <aPpYe> Linked…  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505158/  ...is a list of packages (what would come with Install-Recommends enabled) that fixes the issue.  I am having a really hard time figuring out what package(s) from this list are required for the Language tab to work correctly.
[18:35] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: what do you mean you are bulding KDE?
[18:35] <ovrflw0x> are you building from source?
[18:35] <aPpYe> not from source ...
[18:36] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: are you on live cd?
[18:36] <aPpYe> just building a system from the regular ubuntu repos using the ubuntu mini .iso...  It is liek building a debian system, starting from a command line
[18:37] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: why don't you "remove" languages that you don't need?
[18:37] <ovrflw0x> from system settings
[18:37] <ovrflw0x> is there any option to do that?
[18:37] <aPpYe> not the issue, I just want the language tab to work.  in system settings, the language tab hangs at 0% and I cannot figure out why.
[18:38] <ovrflw0x> and what do you mean by lanauge tab?
[18:38] <ovrflw0x> is there some sort of GUI?
[18:39] <aPpYe> System Settings > Locale > Languages (tab)
[18:40] <ovrflw0x> oh so you don't get the option to "choose" your locale correct?
[18:40] <aPpYe> yeah ...
[18:40] <aPpYe> but I do if I install with recommends enabled.
[18:40] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: why don't you install "all" of them and then later "remove" not needed locales?
[18:41] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: ?
[18:42] <ovrflw0x> you get what i'm saying?
[18:43] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: follow this to remove not required locale... http://askubuntu.com/questions/58191/how-can-i-uninstall-a-locale-via-command-line
[18:44] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you there bud/
[18:44] <ovrflw0x> ?
[18:44] <aPpYe> ovrflw0x, this is not the issue.  I am not trying to add or remove locales.  I am trying to get the language tab to function.
[18:45] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you said "tab" functions once all recommended packages are intalled?!?
[18:45] <ovrflw0x> installed*
[18:45] <aPpYe> when I builld this system for friends and family, I want them to be able to click on the language tab and select what they want.  Some of them might want other languages.
[18:46] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: then what's wrong with "default" recommended packages?
[18:47] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: ?? wtf ?? are you doing? reply fast
[18:47] <aPpYe> http://forums.linuxmint.com/download/file.php?id=13897&mode=view
[18:48] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: i know where tab gets stuck
[18:48] <aPpYe> that is what the languages tab looks like on this system.  I am not building a kubuntu system.  I am building a kde system based on ubuntu mini with my own package selections.
[18:48] <aPpYe> I want recommends turned off so I only get strict dependencies.
[18:48] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: type this in terminal [localedef --list-archive]
[18:48] <ovrflw0x> what do you get?
[18:50] <aPpYe> a long list of en_ languages
[18:50] <aPpYe> well, about 20 lines
[18:51] <aPpYe> including en_US.utf8
[18:52] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: do "sudo locale-gen"
[18:52] <ovrflw0x> in terminal
[18:52] <ovrflw0x> then again open locale in system settings
[18:53] <aPpYe> okay, I rebooted the vm ... hold on.
[18:54] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: why did you reboot? any specific reason?
[18:55] <aPpYe> because I have had luck with wiping the user profile and rebooting.
[18:56] <aPpYe> okay, still stuck at 0%, running locale-gen now ...
[18:57] <aPpYe> still stuck at 0% ...
[18:57] <aPpYe> here is how I am doing things...
[18:57] <aPpYe> I built a couple of metapackages.
[18:58] <aPpYe> I install my system with apt-get install appye-kde
[18:58] <aPpYe> install-recommends is disabled in apt.conf.d
[18:58] <ovrflw0x> do this in terminal 'sudo apt-get install calligra-l10n-pl firefox-locale-pl kde-l10n-pl language-pack-pl language-pack-pl-base'
[18:58] <ovrflw0x> polish language just e.g.
[18:59] <aPpYe> if I install with --install-recommends, languages tab is functional
[18:59] <aPpYe> hold on running your command...
[19:00] <aPpYe> when installing without --install-recommends, language tab stuck at 0%
[19:00] <ovrflw0x> did you run the command?
[19:01] <aPpYe> if I install without ---install-recommends, but manually install the recommended packages along with appye-kde, languages tab is fine.
[19:01] <ovrflw0x> then wtf is your problem now?
[19:01] <aPpYe> if I install without --install-recommends, and THEN install the recommended packages manually, I cannot get the tab to work
[19:02] <aPpYe> last command did not work.
[19:02] <aPpYe> I will try locale-gen again followed by loggiing out and back on.
[19:05] <ovrflw0x> also type this command after "locale-gen" 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[19:06] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: done?
[19:07] <aPpYe> okay, running the last command now ...
[19:08] <aPpYe> complete.  opening ssystem settings.
[19:08] <aPpYe> still hanging.
[19:09] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=140411 <-- fix for it
[19:10] <silke_> hhh
[19:10] <silke_> hi, bist du da?
[19:12] <Guest28270> silke???
[19:12] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: does this post work? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=140411#p750554
[19:12] <silke_> s
[19:13] <aPpYe> yeah, still hung language tab.  right now the system is set up as follows:  install-recommends is DISABLED:  I installed appye-kde, THEN installed the recommended packages list ... logged in for the first time and languages tab stuck.  I logged out and wiped the profile, rebooted and logged back in.  I ran all the commands you suggested and still have the problem.    Arny006 is saying to install a bunch of language packs for different languages, gnome and firefox stuff that I do not have on another system that is already working fine (languages tab-wise) without any of that stuff.
[19:18] <aPpYe> but I will run the command to see if things get better on this vm.
[19:19] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: wait
[19:19] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you there?
[19:19] <aPpYe> yeah ...
[19:19] <ovrflw0x> do this
[19:19] <aPpYe> installing this mountain of crap ...
[19:19] <ovrflw0x> no dont'
[19:19] <ovrflw0x> hold on
[19:19] <aPpYe> okay, cancelled ... still downloading so nothing done.
[19:19] <ovrflw0x> do this in terminal "kcmshell4 language" and monitor the output in terminal
[19:20] <aPpYe> is an ssh session to the box okay?
[19:20] <aPpYe> or do I need the gui?
[19:20] <ovrflw0x> GUI
[19:20] <aPpYe> okay,
[19:20] <aPpYe> copy/paste will not work because I do not have the vm additions installed.
[19:20] <ovrflw0x> what?
[19:21] <ovrflw0x> oh ok
[19:21] <ovrflw0x> type in terminal "kcmshell4 language" and see the output in terminal
[19:21] <ovrflw0x> to know what's causing the problem
[19:22] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: what do you see?
[19:22] <aPpYe> nothing whatsoever!
[19:23] <ovrflw0x> do you see locale window popping up?
[19:23] <silke_> verstehe kein wort
[19:23] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: ?
[19:23] <ovrflw0x> are you in KDE?
[19:24] <aPpYe> yeah, the gui comes up, and I click on different tabs, click on defaults, and choose apply, and nothing on the konnsole.
[19:24] <silke_> no in gnome
[19:24] <ovrflw0x> ok
[19:25] <aPpYe> that thread suggests an internet problem aaaaaaa well, but I can ping google no problems.
[19:30] <Taduro_> Do you guys know how to have an animated wallpaper?
[19:32] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: maybe try this and see where it gets stuck "strace -eopen -f kcmshell4 language"
[19:32] <dougl> Taduro_, what did you have in mind?
[19:33] <dougl> ... that sounds cool
[19:33] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: ?
[19:33] <aPpYe> producing all kinds of output, but no GUI
[19:33] <ovrflw0x> wait and see where it gets stuck
[19:34] <aPpYe> okay, hold on I clicked on a few things and made it move again.
[19:34] <aPpYe> let me try it again.
[19:36] <aPpYe> okay, let me post the results ... hold on.
[19:38] <aPpYe> installing pastebinit ... please wait
[19:38] <Taduro_> dougl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdHOJiTkcg0
[19:40] <aPpYe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505876/         ... I waited for the the gui to come up and then just closed it.
[19:40] <aPpYe> I can adjust settings and get you the entire trace if you want.
[19:44] <dougl> Taduro_, that looks cool... watching the whole vid
[19:45] <Taduro_> dougl: well, is the first video I picked up
[19:45] <Taduro_> anyone knows how?
[19:46] <aPpYe> ovrflw0x, brb ...
[19:47] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe:
[19:48] <aPpYe> here
[19:48] <dougl> Taduro_,  I will be able to figure it out... just need to be properly motivated need to find something that I would like rather than the static Asus branded box I just finnished
[19:49] <ovrflw0x>  aPpYe what do you see in "/usr/share/locale"?
[19:51] <aPpYe> ovrflw0x,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505923/
[19:52] <dougl> Taduro_, reading the post with that video there is only 2 patterns that you can animate... 2 choices is not the reason I use linux ;)
[19:52] <dougl> ... or am I missing something?
[19:53] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: what's output of this "kde4-config --path data"
[19:54] <aPpYe> one moment ...
[19:56] <aPpYe> /home/appye/.kde/share/apps/:/usr/share/kde4/apps/
[19:57] <ovrflw0x> do you have this file? --> "/etc/kde4rc"?
[19:57] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: ^
[19:58] <aPpYe> no.  not on either my host system (which has a working language tab) or on the vm
[19:59] <Taduro_> dougl: you can use any video you want
[20:00] <aPpYe> okay, back in five minutes tops.
[20:00] <dougl> Taduro_, i did not get that...
[20:00] <Taduro_> one sec
[20:02] <dougl> Taduro_, what version are you using? kubuntu?
[20:06] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you there?
[20:10] <aPpYe> okay back
[20:10] <aPpYe> ten minutes
[20:10] <ovrflw0x> install this --> kubuntu-settings-desktop
[20:10] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you there?
[20:10] <aPpYe> installing now ../.
[20:11] <aPpYe> installed ...
[20:11] <ovrflw0x> what do you get now?
[20:12] <aPpYe> still 0%
[20:12] <ovrflw0x> what's inside "/etc/kde4rc"?
[20:13] <aPpYe> [Directories-default]
[20:13] <aPpYe> prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[20:14] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: anything else?
[20:14] <aPpYe> that's all
[20:15] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: logout & back in maybe?
[20:15] <aPpYe> okay hold on
[20:15] <aPpYe> rebooting for good measure
[20:15] <ovrflw0x> no
[20:15] <ovrflw0x> just logout back in
[20:16] <aPpYe> huh!  it does look like a bunny!
[20:16] <ovrflw0x> what?
[20:16] <aPpYe> your comment about my handle
[20:17] <aPpYe> aPpYe
[20:17] <ovrflw0x> did you log back in?
[20:17] <aPpYe> logging in now ...
[20:19] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: ?
[20:19] <aPpYe> still same problem
[20:19] <ovrflw0x> try to remove ~/.kde logoutback in
[20:20] <aPpYe> done that a millllion times ... will try again.
[20:21] <aPpYe> heh ... vm aborted.  wonderful.
[20:22] <aPpYe> booting up again.
[20:22] <aPpYe> I am gonna have to leave for a while here in a minute.  wife and kid wanna go have lunch.
[20:22] <ovrflw0x> ok
[20:22] <aPpYe> I will leave the channel open and come back later.
[20:22] <aPpYe> thanks for trying.
[20:22] <aPpYe> very nice of you
[20:22] <BluesKaj> BBL
[20:25] <aPpYe> still broken by the way ...
[20:25] <aPpYe> anyway, I gotta get out of here
[20:35] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: you there?
[20:36] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: YOU NEED THIS PACKAGE -->> libencode-locale-perl  <<------------ THIS WILL **FIX** YOUR 0% LOCALE ISSUE!
[20:38] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: sudo apt-get install libencode-local-perl
[20:38] <ovrflw0x> aPpYe: sudo apt-get install libencode-locale-perl <--
[21:46] <MySystem> iam back for those who remeber for the others hello and http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/ after the morning without a mouse cursor i think this is the most important thing
[21:49] <MySystem> found something new after an idea the desktop effects settings shows at the first tab need x-xtensensions XComposite and XDamage are not available
[21:55] <Neikius> hello, having some problems installing mysql server; this is exactly the same problem:http://askubuntu.com/questions/261250/dpkg-invoke-rc-d-initscript-mysql-action-start-failed/ - my problem is that the suggested solution (purging mysql-common) doesn't seem so bright, upwards of 60 kde packages are dependant on it...
[21:55] <devilguy> всем привет не подскажите как сделать респин кубунты ? :)
[21:58] <soee> !de
[21:58] <soee> !ru
[21:59] <devilguy> hi all anybody can tell me how to create kubuntu respin ? ( buntu ) my skills sysadmin  but i stunnet  ^)
[21:59] <Neikius> any ideas regarding my predicament?
[21:59] <ikonia> devilguy: what have you done so far ?
[22:02] <devilguy> uck not work none packet  manager ^) and fail build ,remaster sys nice but not all as we would like , older i use ubuntu-builder but now it not work ..
[22:02] <ikonia> ....so what have you actually done
[22:03] <devilguy> chroot bit does not work Aptitude
[22:03] <ikonia> can't be bothered,
[22:06] <devilguy> i have just packet manager for programms , terminal for customized design and finaly compleate build  ^)
[22:08] <devilguy> like as opensuse studion ^) but i like kubuntu as 3 years on my netbook and i happy ^)
[23:18] <MySystem> blueskaj lordievader i have my mouse cursor back (i deleted the xorg.conf,rebooted and then set the resolution monitor settings via kde settings not via nvidia
[23:49] <SaveME> !ops


[09:47] <smspillaz> duflu: howdy, when do you want to cut 0.9.0 ?
[09:47] <smspillaz> erm
[09:47] <smspillaz> 0.9.9
[09:47] <smspillaz> 0.9.0 was a long time ago ;-)
[09:47] <duflu> smspillaz: Not sure now. Needs time to settle again :P
[09:48] <smspillaz> duflu: I have some large-ish fixes in the pipeline, so I'm wondering when I should hold them to
[09:48] <duflu> smspillaz: Yeah large stuff after <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:48] <smspillaz> duflu: right, I just kinda wanna know /when/ as in dates, so I can plan my week :)
[09:49] <duflu> smspillaz: I really don't know now. Probably safe to assume we don't want to land anything large this week
[09:49] <smspillaz> duflu: sure, I'm wondering when a good time to start reviewing large things is :)
[09:50] <duflu> smspillaz: Don't know. I half expect to have time when I'm away next week. But maybe not
[09:50] <smspillaz> well, next week will probably be bad for both of us
[09:50] <smspillaz> I'm at uni for a week and you'll be away
[09:50] <smspillaz> so the week after that ?
[09:51] <smspillaz> I'm just mindful that it would kinda suck if we delayed until right before freezes start happening
[09:51]  * duflu checks schedule
[09:53] <duflu> smspillaz: Freeze is not an issue (March 7). If things have not landed by then, there must be other greater reasons why not
[09:53] <smspillaz> welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[09:53] <smspillaz> there's like 4 or 5 big ones
[09:53] <smspillaz> I'm allowing a week for each
[09:54] <smspillaz> duflu: anyways, maybe what I'd suggest doing is testing my ppa and checking for regressions and filing bugs ?
[09:54] <smspillaz> that will allow us to get the manual-testing process mostly out of the way
[09:54] <duflu> smspillaz: We will do as much as possible with the resources available. I don't know how that will pan out over the coming months
[09:55] <smspillaz> duflu: fair enough I guess
[09:55] <duflu> I think the point of <IP_ADDRESS> is to show "any release" from this point onward could be released. Just do as much as possible
[09:55] <smspillaz> duflu: +1
[09:56] <smspillaz> duflu: anyways, I'd suggesting running the ppa. Been running it for about a month now and I'm fixing things as they come up
[12:30] <wnm> hey guys. i've got a question, maybe someone can help. I just created an desktop entry with chrome's "create application shortcut" feature. I downloaded icons in different sizes and put them in ~/.local/share/icons/hicolor each size in each directory. the new icon is showing when i search for the application with dash. but when I switch applications with [alt]+[tab] its showing the chrome icon and it says "untiteled". does someone know a guide on how to pro
[13:54] <conscioususer> Cimi: overlay scrollbars discussions belong in this channel?
[13:55] <Cimi> conscioususer, maybe
[13:55] <Cimi> conscioususer, I have no plans to work on them this cycle though
[13:56] <conscioususer> Cimi: actually, I wanted to discuss a possible bug before reporting
[13:56] <Cimi> conscioususer, shoot
[13:57] <conscioususer> Cimi: hold on, I'll pastebin a code
[13:58] <conscioususer> Cimi: here, this is for Python3: http://www.pasteshare.co.uk/p/5ir/
[13:59] <conscioususer> Cimi: this is a textview overlayed over a scrolledwindow
[13:59] <conscioususer> Cimi: did it run?
[14:00] <Cimi> no
[14:00] <Cimi> tell me the issue, maybe is a known one
[14:00] <conscioususer> Cimi: the overlay is not being rendered
[14:01] <conscioususer> Cimi: this only happens if overlay scrollbars are active
[14:02] <Cimi> they both use a child window
[14:02] <Cimi> not sure what overlay does though
[14:03] <conscioususer> Cimi: specifically, this happens if the widget below the overlay is a scrolledwindow inside a gtklayout
[14:04] <conscioususer> Cimi: and, very weirdly, the bug does not happening in Ambiance/Radiance, only with Adwaita and High Contrast, for example
[14:04] <conscioususer> Cimi: (I didn't mention this until now because you said the code is not running anyway)
[14:05] <conscioususer> Cimi: btw, *why* is it not running, which error did you get?
[14:05] <Cimi> I didn't run it :)
[14:05] <conscioususer> oh, ok
[14:07] <conscioususer> Cimi: as you can see, you need a rare combination of widgets to trigger it... but it's one I'm needing now :-/
[14:10] <conscioususer> Cimi: what I found particularly weird is happening for some themes but not for others
[14:11] <Cimi> try seeing what triggers the issue
[14:11] <Cimi> editing the theme
[14:16] <conscioususer> Cimi: that will take a while cuz Adwaita etc. compile everything including css'es into a binary .gresource file
[14:16] <conscioususer> Cimi: need to get the source
[14:16] <conscioususer> Cimi: will contact you later
[14:18] <Cimi> gnome-themes-standard git
[14:25] <conscioususer> Cimi: none of the themes seem to do anything specific with GtkLayout
[14:25] <conscioususer> Cimi: however, I'm seeing something interesting
[14:26] <conscioususer> Cimi: Adwaita sets a background color for GtkScrolledWindow, and HighContrast sets a background color for GtkViewport (which is used by GtkScrolledWindow)
[14:26] <conscioususer> Cimi: the light-themes do not set a background color for either
[14:28] <Cimi> so it's an issue of rendering
[14:30] <Cimi> those two themes render the scrolledwindow/viewport
[14:30] <Cimi> ambiance doesn't
[14:32] <conscioususer> Cimi: but would is this triggered only when the ov-scrollbars are active?
[14:32] <Cimi> because it's a bug in overlay scrollbar
[14:35] <conscioususer> Cimi: hmm... and one last question before reporting: does it make sense to you that it happens only when the scrolledwindow is inside a gtklayout?
[14:35] <Cimi> I don't know...
[14:36] <conscioususer> Cimi: well, anyway, will report... should it be directly against the overlay-scrollbar LP project?
[14:37] <Cimi> ayatana-scrollbar
[14:37] <Cimi> I suggest you to pick up os-bar.c code and play with it
[14:37] <Cimi> I don't think I will ever fix this in next months
[14:38] <conscioususer> Cimi: might try, thanks for the help
[14:55] <didrocks> hey mterry! saw that you are around :) how was the week-end?
[14:55] <mterry> didrocks, meh.  Spent a lot of it looking at a data corruption issue in duplicity
[14:55] <didrocks> doesn't sound fun
[14:56] <mterry> didrocks, eh, it's fine.  When I'm weekend hacking, I can drink during, so not so bad  :)
[14:56] <didrocks> heh ;)
[14:56] <mterry> didrocks, what's up?
[14:56] <didrocks> mterry: I was thinking switching some -dev from arch: all to arch: any
[14:56] <didrocks> like nux as a first target
[14:57] <mterry> didrocks, what's in the -dev that needs it?
[14:57] <didrocks> nothing but:
[14:57] <didrocks> because when unity is build-dep on latest nux
[14:57] <didrocks> nux i386 is built and published
[14:57] <didrocks> then unity on all arch starts to build
[14:57] <didrocks> and the -dev can't install libnux amd64 for instance
[14:57] <didrocks> so FTBFS
[14:58] <mterry> right, just saw that one go by
[14:58] <didrocks> this was fine in the distro, I relaunched the build normally
[14:58] <didrocks> but if we want to go to our daily process
[14:58] <didrocks> don't seem something we should get bothered why, thoughts?
[14:59] <mterry> didrocks, I mean, arch: any is a fine workaround (just takes up archive space right?  I assume no policy problems), but isn't that really a builder bug?  That it only looks one level deep in dependencies before trying a build?
[14:59] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, it's a builder bug that we have for ages, I think it's not a priority to get it fixed though
[14:59] <didrocks> the space -> just a couple of .h files + symlinks
[14:59] <didrocks> so I think it's not that an issue
[15:00] <mterry> Just feels dirty  :)
[15:00] <mterry> But sure
[15:00] <didrocks> ok, proposing some dirts in a few :)
[15:00] <mterry> I would normally volunteer for the work, and will do so, but I first want to prepare duplicity SRUs for this bug
[15:00] <didrocks> sure sure, just feel free to approve the MP then
[15:00] <didrocks> it's easy and quick enough :)
[15:00] <mterry> So if you were looking for fast action, I might not get to it until tomorrow
[15:01] <mterry> OK
[15:01] <didrocks> doing nux, bamf, libunity, dee
[15:02] <didrocks> ah nux is already any, so bamf should have been the guilty
[15:03]  * didrocks starts to be puzzled, bamf was any as well
[15:03] <didrocks> which one failed the chroot then?
[15:03] <didrocks> mterry: ok, will try digging next time (probably tomorrow, after a rebuild)
[15:04] <didrocks> mterry: seb128: btw, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build contains latest and greatest (untested)
[15:04] <seb128> didrocks, need/want testing?
[15:04] <didrocks> mterry: seb128: as I think we are close to enable daily build (at one UTAH issue closed), would be good to test
[15:04] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[15:04] <seb128> ok
[15:05]  * didrocks upgrades at the same time
[15:05]  * mterry switches from staging to daily
[15:06] <mterry> Oh, apparently I'm already using daily.  Odd
[15:08] <didrocks> :)
[15:08] <didrocks> upgrade upgrade, there is fresh new things! :)
[15:10] <seb128> hum
[15:10] <seb128> didrocks,
[15:10] <seb128> Les paquets suivants seront ENLEVÉS :
[15:10] <seb128>   indicator-appmenu indicator-appmenu-tools libbamf3-0
[15:10] <seb128> Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installés :
[15:10] <seb128>   libbamf3-1
[15:10] <seb128> didrocks, is indicator-appmenu deprecated?
[15:11] <didrocks> really? I don't have that on amd64
[15:11] <seb128> i386 here
[15:11] <didrocks> interesting… and the new hud package isn't installed I guess as it's not built
[15:11] <didrocks> cyphermox: you followed the merged, nothing linked to that in your opinion?
[15:11] <didrocks> oh, does indicator-appmenu deps on bamf now?
[15:12]  * didrocks checks
[15:12] <seb128> didrocks, that's not new, it needs bamf to know what app is focussed iirc
[15:12] <didrocks> yep
[15:12] <didrocks> so I need to move bamf in the indicator pocket
[15:12] <seb128> didrocks, the issue is that libbamf3-1 breaks libbamf3-0
[15:12] <seb128> and indicator-appmenu didn't get rebuild with the new bamf soname
[15:12] <didrocks> to have things built in the correct order
[15:12] <cyphermox> wasn't that recently changed in the indicator-appmenu vs. hud code?
[15:12] <didrocks> yep yep
[15:13] <seb128> didrocks, how come you don't get the issue on amd64?
[15:13] <didrocks> cyphermox: no, this was rolled back
[15:13] <didrocks> seb128: I wonder if I get the latest state or if everything is published yet
[15:15] <seb128> didrocks, I'm away for some exercice, will retry in  ~45min but my reading is that indicator-appmenu needs a rebuild with the new bamf soname
[15:15] <didrocks> seb128: I agree, I'm triggering another one
[15:15] <seb128> thanks
[15:15] <didrocks> and will move bamf between package set
[15:17] <ricotz> mterry, hi
[15:19] <mterry> ricotz, heyo
[15:19] <ricotz> mterry, you are argumenting as ABI and API were the same, and i am suggesting to use 0.4 after the several API removals not simply taking the version number
[15:19] <ricotz> if there is a need to bump the soname (e.g. ABI changes) there is no need to change the GIR name
[15:20] <ricotz> the typelib will reference the right library as "backend"
[15:20] <mterry> ricotz, right.  3 is not the SONAME
[15:20] <mterry> ricotz, libbamf3 currently has a SONAME of 0 I think
[15:20] <ricotz> right
[15:20] <mterry> ricotz, much as libgtk-3 has a SONAME of 0
[15:21] <mterry> ricotz, so sorry.  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your position.  What's wrong with using 3?
[15:21] <ricotz> but there is no libbamf anymore, so actually this would mean Bamf3-0.4.gir/typelib
[15:22] <mterry> ricotz, no other package does that.  They all do Secret-1 or Gtk-3 or similar
[15:22] <ricotz> imo it is needed to have girs parallel installable on API changes but not on ABI changes/soname bump
[15:22] <mterry> ricotz, right.  That's what the 3 is.
[15:22] <ricotz> gtk preserves abi compat so the api 3.0 will stay
[15:23] <ricotz> take tp-logger for example
[15:23] <mterry> ricotz, that is a separate thing, eh?  Their ABI compat promise just means they will always have SONAME 0, right?
[15:24] <ricotz> right, and so will be the api
[15:24] <ricotz> which is why Gdk-3.0.gir and so on
[15:24] <mterry> ricotz, their API changes throught the 3.x series.  They add things all the time.  But the parallel installable thing is the 3.0
[15:25] <mterry> ricotz, just as the parallel installable marker for libbamf is the 3 (like when we had libbamf and libbamf3)
[15:25] <ricotz> yes, but the api is compatible and isnt broken in regards to backwards compat
[15:26] <mterry> ricotz, right.  And when it is, they bump to 4.x
[15:26] <mterry> ricotz, just as libbamf would bump to 4
[15:26] <ricotz> so if you can promise bamf wont break api exept in major release
[15:26] <mterry> if it did the same thing
[15:26] <ricotz> you can all it bamf-1.0
[15:26] <ricotz> *call
[15:27] <mterry> ricotz, every other gir/library uses the library version (secret 1, gtk 3) as the gir name.  That library name, to my knowledge, is the same thing as what you are calling the API version.
[15:27] <mterry> ricotz, why is bamf different?
[15:30] <ricotz> what i am saying is that changing the gir name on soname bumps is not necessary if the api compat is preserved, which would be not the case with your naming scheme
[15:30] <ricotz> but do as you like
[15:30] <mterry> ricotz, that's not true at all
[15:30] <mterry> ricotz, if bamf bumps SONAME, what happens is we get libbamf-3-1.  gir1.2-bamf-3 and libbamf3-dev would stay the same
[15:31] <mterry> i.e. exactly the same as secret and gtk
[15:31] <ricotz> ok, what are you doing on api removals as between 0.3 and 0.4?
[15:33] <mterry> ricotz, API removals *should* only happen when we bump from 3 to 4.  I believe we had a removal that did not?  Because we were lax and felt the only consumer was unity.  I'd have to go back and look at the merge proposal
[15:33] <mterry> (^ when we bump from libbamf3 to libbamf4)
[15:33] <mterry> Really, we shouldn't bother removing API.  I think I noted at the time, we should just make it a no-op
[15:34] <ricotz> alright, considering 3 as api while preserving abi/api compat for future 0.x releases works
[15:34] <mterry> ricotz, but whether or not we did the right thing there, that's a separate issue from the naming scheme
[15:35] <mterry> Because the shared library shares the same problems we created then too, it's not just a gir thing
[15:35] <ricotz> ok, my problem wer the latest API removals leading this discussion and how to handle that
[15:36] <ricotz> so if this won't happen after adding the offical introspection data it seems fine
[15:36] <mterry> ricotz, yar, that was handled incorrectly.  I think we were just lazy about it
[15:37] <ricotz> ok
[15:39] <ricotz> mterry, you probably want to take a look at gir1.2-unity-5.0 and its content, i filed a bug about it ;)
[15:39] <ricotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1096545
[15:39] <mterry> ricotz, :(
[15:40] <didrocks> bregma: see my answer, I can't parse how you link daily build with something that has nothing to deal with daily builds
[15:40] <ricotz> mterry, better to use a fully qualified line in the install file to catch that
[15:40] <mterry> ricotz, true
[15:41] <ricotz> uploading daily builds can be tricky
[15:42] <ricotz> i guess it will be 7.0 soon
[15:48] <didrocks> hey sil2100! how are you?
[16:01] <didrocks> seb128: i386 published, still waiting on amd64
[16:09] <sil2100> didrocks: hello! One moment ;)
[16:20] <didrocks> seb128: mterry: after a one minute of basic testing, the new unity stack seems to work here
[16:23] <seb128> didrocks, ok, trying in a min
[16:33] <mterry> didrocks, hasn't crashed on me yet  :)
[16:34] <didrocks> mterry: neither for me, that's a start :)
[17:07] <sil2100> didrocks: re-ping!
[17:07] <didrocks> sil2100: hey!
[17:08] <didrocks> sil2100: I just wanted to know if you were successful in the bug hunt we discussed on Friday
[17:08] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, I fixed it, a merge request is submitted - but I'm waiting for a re-comment from Trevinho
[17:09] <Trevinho> sil2100: ah, looking again
[17:10] <didrocks> sil2100: that was the branch I saw? You're freaking awesome \o/
[17:10]  * didrocks stares at Trevinho :)
[17:10] <didrocks> hey Trevinho, happy new year btw!
[17:11] <sil2100> Well, it's a rather ugly way of fixing it, but at least the way I did it seemed safe in my broken mind ;)
[17:11] <didrocks> :)
[17:11] <didrocks> sil2100: I'm running a newer test with latest unity from today
[17:11] <didrocks> sil2100: with some luck, we only have those 4 failures!
[17:11] <Trevinho> sil2100: commented
[17:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: thanks... happy new year to you too! (including sil2100 here too :))