[05:57] <pavlushka> hello Shako019
[05:58] <Shako019> Hello?
[06:09] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: "/nickserv identify [nickname] password"
[06:10] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: "/nickserv identify nickname password"
[06:11] <pavlushka> Kilos: we have a WhizzKid
[06:11] <Kilos> i saw that pavlushka
[06:12] <WhizzKid> Hi Kilos
[06:12] <Kilos> hi WhizzKid
[06:12] <WhizzKid> I'm frm BD
[06:12] <Kilos> dont make me remember who another nick belongs to
[06:12] <Kilos> i know its you pavlushka
[06:13] <pavlushka> Kilos: lol, no
[06:13] <Kilos> i saw you change nick to pavlushka from WhizzKid
[06:14] <WhizzKid> why are you thinking so? Kilos
[06:14] <pavlushka> Kilos: He is one of my friends from the Uni
[06:14] <Kilos> ah you setting up his irc
[06:14] <pavlushka> Kilos: I was kinda checking that nick avalibility
[06:14] <WhizzKid> Ha Ha Ha
[06:14] <pavlushka> Kilos: and yes, helping him setting up :)
[06:15] <Kilos> good lad
[06:15] <WhizzKid> Kilos I have just joined HexChat and Pavlu helped me at that time
[06:15] <pavlushka> Kilos: It wasn't me :p
[06:16]  * pavlushka actually singing a song by Shaggy
[06:16] <pavlushka> It wasn't me
[06:16] <Kilos> well welcome anyway WhizzKid `
[06:17]  * pavlushka on breakfast, brb
[06:17] <WhizzKid> Thanks Kilos
[06:19] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: you can search in the channel list for #chemistry
[06:20] <pavlushka> or ##chemistry
[06:20] <WhizzKid> Yes I have got one
[06:20] <WhizzKid> and joined there
[06:20] <pavlushka> wow \o/
[08:09] <pavlushka> u-la-la: coffee on
[08:09]  * u-la-la flips the salt-timer
[08:09] <Kilos> u-la-la coffee please
[08:09] <u-la-la> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:09] <pavlushka> u-la-la: entertain WhizzKid
[08:09]  * u-la-la pours coffee on WhizzKid and runs for his life
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:10]  * pavlushka runs too :p
[08:13] <u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka and Kilos!
[08:13] <Kilos> u-la-la ty
[11:35] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: ki koros?
[11:35] <WhizzKid> dost office a kam kori?
[11:35] <WhizzKid> tui?
[11:36] <WhizzKid> Music bajas kamne?
[11:36] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: ei shukro bareo?
[11:36] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: koi music bajabo?
[11:36] <WhizzKid> ai chat room a?
[11:37] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: lol, ha, ek shathe movie dekha gele aro valo hoito
[11:37] <WhizzKid> ha ha ha
[11:38] <WhizzKid> recent kon movie dekhesis?
[11:39] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: Dangal!
[11:39] <WhizzKid> Hindi?
[11:39] <WhizzKid> oh
[11:39] <WhizzKid> amir khan
[11:40] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: and we play music here like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI
[11:40] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: kam er thelae kam korar e time paina r movie!
[11:41] <WhizzKid> etto busy?.......................bapre
[11:41] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: ekta stock e ase, moana, dekha hoini ekhono
[11:41] <WhizzKid> ami dekhesi
[11:42] <WhizzKid> valoi........musical animation type
[11:42] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: have some more for music, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY
[11:42] <WhizzKid> 'Spirited away' dekte paris
[11:43] <WhizzKid> darun
[11:43] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: wow
[11:43] <WhizzKid> many thanks for the links
[11:43] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: btw irc is only text based, we cant even paste pics and you are asking for music??
[11:44] <WhizzKid> i didnt know that
[11:45] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: for pics we do this http://imgroute.com/?p=663414
[11:46] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: its a screenshot of my browser
[11:46] <WhizzKid> nice to know these
[11:47] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: or like this, http://imgur.com/gallery/ZywRw
[11:48] <WhizzKid> hmmmmm, bujhesi dost
[11:48] <pavlushka> u-la-la: coffee on
[11:49]  * u-la-la washes some mugs
[11:49] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: that's our IRC bot u-la-la
[11:50] <pavlushka> home made bot with a south-African blush
[11:53] <u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka!
[11:53] <pavlushka> ty u-la-la
[11:53] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ty
[11:53] <u-la-la> You are welcome my friend
[12:16] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: for you,save it somewhere http://paste.ubuntu.com/24101709/
[12:41] <WhizzKid> Dost, it seems really helpful.............many thanks
[14:45] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ping
[14:45] <u-la-la> pong
[14:49] <WhizzKid> ?
[14:52] <WhizzKid> u-la-la coffe on
[14:52] <u-la-la> WhizzKid: Huh?
[14:53] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: coffee banan bhul :p
[14:53] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: try this http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/
[14:54] <pavlushka> u-la-la: coffee on
[14:54]  * u-la-la starts grinding coffee
[14:54] <WhizzKid> Thanks pavel
[14:54] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: say "u-la-la coffee please"
[14:57] <zaki> hei pavlushka
[14:57] <pavlushka> Hello zaki , meet my friend WhizzKid :)
[14:58] <u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka!
[14:58] <zaki> hi WhizzKid
[14:58] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ty
[14:58] <u-la-la> You are welcome my friend
[14:58]  * zaki meeting WhizzKid
[14:59] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg latex editor
[14:59] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Uhh... DuckDuckGo has no Instant Answer on that
[14:59] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg latex
[14:59] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Latex A stable dispersion of polymer microparticles in an aqueous medium. It is found in nature... :: LaTeX A document preparation system. :: Latex clothing Latex rubber is used in many types of clothing.
[14:59] <zaki> he he
[14:59] <zaki> pavlushka: text editor?
[14:59] <pavlushka> zaki: yep
[16:09] <zaki> wb WhizzKid Shako019
[16:09] <zaki> how are u doing?
[16:10] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: why two ?
[16:11] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: dont connect with double nick
[16:11] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: you might get banned for access flood
[16:12] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: on the network
[16:13] <pavlushka> WhizzKid: we call it klined, the ban :p
[16:14] <Shako> well noted with thanks
[18:49] <pavlushka> u-la-la: tell Whizzkid to reply his mails
[18:49] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Righto, I'll tell whizzkid on freenode
[19:15] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:16] <Kilos> you crazy kid
[19:16] <Kilos> sleep tight guys


[03:05] <SealV> tips on scaling down an icon?
[03:26] <_MMA_> SealV: Can you give more info?
[03:26] <_MMA_> What are you trying to do?
[03:27] <SealV> well I have an icon I have been working on at 512*512 in inkscape. I am having difficulty scaling this sucker down to say 22*22
[03:28] <_MMA_> SealV: You draw for the intended size.
[03:28] <SealV> so no shortcuts? I cant just scale down and simplify?
[03:29] <_MMA_> For Breathe, we're drawing @ 128px for scaliable. Using that for 48px but everything else is redrawn.
[03:29] <_MMA_> And sure, you can take the large size, scale down and remove/change details.
[03:30] <_MMA_> But simply using 512px and using it across the board is gonna result in blurry icons in smaller sizes.
[03:31] <SealV> especially with strokes. they look fugly.
[03:31] <SealV> oh and shadows
[04:06] <SealV> is it just me or is inkscape devel faster at rendering things?
[04:17] <_MMA_> SealV: On screen or to bitmap?
[04:17] <SealV> on screen to bitmap seems to be about the same
[04:19] <_MMA_> Things using blur have a lower on-screen quality level now. I generally don't link it because it's not representative of final output. But if you get it where you like it, then lower the on-screen setting I can see it being useful.
[04:20] <_MMA_> SealV: The folks in #inkscape are nice. Hang out in there. You'll learn new things for sure.
[08:59] <SiDi> ello
[09:32] <SiDi> _MMA_, are you around ?
[18:43] <SiDi> Hi
[18:43] <_MMA_> yo
[18:43] <SiDi> Hey _MMA_ you're around :)
[18:43] <SiDi> i'd something to ask you about this 405GB file you're downloading :P
[18:43]  * _MMA_ was sleeping when you came around before.
[18:43] <SiDi> well yeh i came pretty early ^^
[18:44] <_MMA_> Well that's the 3 torrents. I'm currently getting the 1st. 120GB.
[18:44] <SiDi> i'd like to know, do you have any idea who's hosting the tracker on which the torrent info is ?
[18:45] <_MMA_> Its a NIN tracker.
[18:45] <SiDi> I'm currently writing a (little) report on P2P protocols, esp. bittorrent, and i thought it'd be great to have stats of number of seeds on such a file
[18:46] <_MMA_> Tracker: http://tracker.nin.com 39 seeds 448 peers.
[18:46] <SiDi> Thanks
[18:46] <SiDi> i'mma make a script to check it for me then
[18:47] <SiDi> Do you mind pmming me the direct URL of the torrent info ?
[18:48] <_MMA_> It redirects as well. You can't view it from the web. http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?52,378166
[18:49] <SiDi> Hm i wonder if they keep torrent stats


[06:59] <didrocks> good morning
[07:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:02] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: just a reminder that dgadomski raised during the team meeting about his email on the desktop ML (mount options in nautilus). I'm unsure myself about the best options, but would be nice if we can answer there
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks, oh, right, thanks
[08:35] <seb128> I still feel like it's too big of a topic to be realistic that we handle it downstream
[08:35] <seb128> but we can at least get the discussion going
[08:36] <didrocks> agreed
[08:37] <dgadomski> didrocks, seb128: thanks guys, I'm aware that the scope is pretty wide, but any feedback is appreciated
[08:58] <willcooke> morning desktoppers
[08:59] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[08:59] <seb128> back from London?
[08:59] <willcooke> hey mlankhorst!  Weird thing... Chromium on the N7 looks like red and blue are swapped.  Did some Googling, I think it's an oddity in Chromium, few bug reports about the same thing on Android
[08:59] <willcooke> seb128, yes!
[08:59] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:59] <mlankhorst> willcooke: that is probably a xmir bug :P
[08:59] <mlankhorst> willcooke: does it happen with other opengl clients too?
[09:00]  * didrocks starts to be worried about every lightdm starting asserts failing in autopkgtests
[09:00] <willcooke> mlankhorst, any suggestions of something to try?
[09:00] <seb128> didrocks, what asserts? lightdm doesn't start anymore in vivid?
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: from the tests, yes
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, when did that start?
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: no idea, that's the issue with autopkgtests. We can just say last time it pass was wednesday 11 march
[09:02] <didrocks> if only ubiquity would let me install under kwm…
[09:02] <didrocks> kvm*
[09:02] <seb128> is that version blocked in proposed?
[09:02]  * seb128 checks
[09:02] <seb128> hum, no lightdm update since the 10
[09:03] <Laney> yo
[09:03] <didrocks> seb128: systemd is blocked, but I doubt the change making the tests failing is in systemd
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[09:04] <didrocks> as even ubnutu5 is failing
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:04] <seb128> didrocks, what's the issue with ubiquity/kvm? is that the vesa driver thing?
[09:04] <didrocks> seb128: or a ubiquity/X11 race, couldn't get any mouse under it
[09:04] <didrocks> had to reboot
[09:04] <didrocks> (it's installing now)
[09:05] <seb128> oh ok
[09:05] <didrocks> I'm installing a couple of week old image
[09:05] <didrocks> that way, I will able to install, reboot, upgrade, reboot
[09:05] <didrocks> if that passes, I'll try today's iso
[09:05] <seb128> let me download the current daily here
[09:05] <didrocks> to see at least if that impacts real users
[09:05] <didrocks> seb128: there was another bug report about ddms not starting btw
[09:05] <didrocks> under systemd and upstart
[09:05] <seb128> how are those tests working?
[09:06] <seb128> could it be "just" xorg not working under kvm?
[09:06] <didrocks> seb128: well, it does work outside of autopkgtests at least
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128 et didrocks
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks, are we sure?
[09:07] <didrocks> however, I tried an autopkgtest image, installed ubuntu-desktop on it
[09:07] <Laney> a few failures on glib's depends too
[09:07] <Laney> oh noes
[09:07] <didrocks> seb128: well, I am under kvm, I have a xorg session here, so… yes? :)
[09:07] <seb128> bug #1433198
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks, k, several people mentioned ^ this week
[09:07] <Laney> also desktop images failed to build
[09:07] <didrocks> seb128: that can be a newer xorg-server issue
[09:08] <Laney> libqt5qml5 : Depends: libdouble-conversion1 but it is not installable
[09:08] <didrocks> seb128: here, I'm on a week-old image
[09:08] <seb128> didrocks, yes, it is
[09:08]  * Laney looks in the direction of finland
[09:08] <didrocks> so, I guess the update will tell us
[09:08] <seb128> Mirv !
[09:08] <didrocks> (I'll try to upgrade xorg independently)
[09:08] <seb128> mlankhorst, what's the status of bug 1433198?
[09:09] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/double-conversion/+bug/1427677
[09:09] <Laney> please to promote!
[09:09] <didrocks> seb128: at least, that will explain why I can't get an autopkgtest image, where I add ubuntu-desktop on top of it to start xorg
[09:09] <didrocks> lightdm logs are quite screwy though, only "starting Xorg, Xorg stopped"
[09:09] <didrocks> with -d
[09:09] <mlankhorst> seb128: just a sec I'll upload the fix..
[09:09] <didrocks> (nothing by default)
[09:10] <seb128> mlankhorst, great, thanks
[09:10] <mlankhorst> got distracted by optimus
[09:10] <didrocks> mlankhorst: do we have a ppa? I can at least try some autopkgtests here
[09:10] <didrocks> that will answer if this is due to that quickly
[09:11] <mlankhorst> [PATCH xserver] int10: Fix error check for pci_device_map_legacy
[09:11] <mlankhorst> I'm confident it is..
[09:11] <didrocks> mlankhorst: I'm quite stuck on some autopkgtests to unblock systemd, so if you get some binaries ready, that would help :)
[09:14] <mlankhorst> didrocks: sure, I'll upload in a bit
[09:15] <mlankhorst> once test build finishes
[09:16] <darkxst>  hey desktopers
[09:16] <seb128> hey darkxst
[09:17] <darkxst> Laney or seb128 can you land my fail whale fix?
[09:17] <mlankhorst> uploaded
[09:18] <darkxst> bug 1385572
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, double-conversion promoted
[09:20] <Mirv> seb128: !
[09:21] <Mirv> seb128: thanks for the promotion, I mistakenly thought it'd be automatic once MIR is approved and the dependency arrives
[09:22] <seb128> Mirv, apparently you bugged the desktop iso build with your qt landing, I promoted double-conversion now, but it's annoying that things land in  buggy state
[09:22] <happyaron> attente_: I wonder what's the reason of 1433831? what's the difference between unity7 and unity8 desktops?
[09:22] <Mirv> seb128: well the promotion shouldn't happen before landing either?
[09:22] <Laney> darkxst: ok in a bit
[09:22] <mlankhorst> didrocks: uploaded to the archive, have fun :)
[09:22] <seb128> Mirv, no, but I wonder why we hit the issue
[09:22] <mlankhorst> bbiab
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, are images built out of proposed?
[09:22] <Laney> happyaron: I saw that language-selector got uploaded, does it work?
[09:22] <Laney> no
[09:23] <Laney> proposed doesn't check components though
[09:23] <didrocks> mlankhorst: would have been great to test beforehand but ok, let's see :)
[09:23] <seb128> and if not, why are things going through proposed-migration if they are not installable?
[09:23] <didrocks> mlankhorst: also, I guess that means we need to have autopkgtests on xorg ;)
[09:23] <Mirv> is this again train overpasses certain checks thing?
[09:23] <Laney> it's because CI train ignores them
[09:23] <Laney> in the archive it would have been depwait
[09:23] <seb128> but train doesn't drive proposed-migration?§
[09:23] <darkxst> Laney, thanks ;)
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, so proposed-migration doesn't check that things are actually installable?
[09:24] <Laney> I didn't say that
[09:24] <Laney> I said that the train doesn't check component mismatches
[09:24] <seb128> I didn't say you said that
[09:24] <seb128> ah ok
[09:24] <seb128> it's installable with universe
[09:24] <seb128> ok, makes sense now
[09:24] <Laney> correct
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:24] <Laney> and the CI train lets main packages build with universe build deps
[09:24] <Laney> and copies with binaries
[09:25] <seb128> Mirv, so, yeah, it's because the ci train built without respect of the pockets and land built binaries
[09:25] <darkxst> sounds more like a loophole, than a train
[09:25] <Laney> There's an option on the PPAs to respect components
[09:25] <happyaron> Laney: it works, but gunnar didn't tell me he's uploading that...
[09:25] <Laney> don't know why they don't use it
[09:25] <Laney> happyaron: heh
[09:26] <Laney> is this enough for all cases?
[09:26] <didrocks> Laney: it was enabled a year ago (we needed some fixes in launchpad first, which were done)
[09:26] <didrocks> but I think they recreated new ppas
[09:26] <didrocks> so probably the option wasn't enabled back
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, larsu, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2015-March/019404.html \o/
[09:27] <happyaron> Laney: almost, there are some packages (fcitx-frontend-qt5) removed unexpectedly from /target, but in general it works. tried two installs, one for en locale, another zh_CN.
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, can you handle the landing for larsu? you followed more than me those details I think
[09:27] <Laney> ok
[09:28] <Laney> happyaron: alright, good, gl with the fixes
[09:28] <Laney> probably missing a dependency to that package
[09:28] <happyaron> guess so, haven't looked at the details
[09:28] <mitya57> Laney: if you are going to upload gnome-session, can you also look at bug 1251281?
[09:29] <larsu> seb128: \o/
[09:30] <Laney> mitya57: I just went blind
[09:30] <Laney> mitya57: are you up to speed on it?
[09:30] <Laney> if so, you can do the uploading... :)
[09:31] <didrocks> seb128: I'm skeptical about the xorg issue, I dist-upgraded an install, first with xorg, then kernel, now with everything and I'm getting to my session
[09:32] <happyaron> Laney: shall I make an upload of im-config, everybody has fcitx as default now (current im-config behaviour)
[09:32] <mitya57> Laney, yes it was on my todo list, of course I can do it myself
[09:32] <didrocks> but let's see, I'll use adt-run -U option once xorg would have built in proposed
[09:32] <seb128> didrocks, k, I don't know then
[09:32] <happyaron> Laney: that would mean the FFe is completed though...
[09:32] <Laney> mitya57: feel free
[09:32] <seb128> didrocks, need more details I guess
[09:32] <willcooke> didrocks, Need me to build some virtual machines to test anything?
[09:32] <Laney> happyaron: what does the upload do?
[09:32] <Laney> do you have a diff?
[09:33] <happyaron> Laney: make ibus default for everyone other than zh_* locales. current behaviour is: im-config prefer fcitx over ibus, but we never seed fcitx in the live cd, so ibus is default.
[09:33] <didrocks> willcooke: I don't think you will get further more than I am right now, I tend to try with the xorg fix if adt is happy again, and we'll see (already spent some hours on this)
[09:33] <happyaron> Laney: a minute
[09:33] <willcooke> oki, shout if I can pitch in some help
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/blacklist-gnome-boxes/+merge/251566 ?
[09:34] <didrocks> willcooke: will do, thanks :)
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, I think you are in the right team
[09:34] <seb128> I'm not
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: done
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:34] <didrocks> thanks larsu for this patch btw :p
[09:34] <didrocks> no more transparency on boxed!
[09:34] <didrocks> boxes*
[09:35] <larsu> :)
[09:36] <seb128> It's still over me why we can't fix those from the theme though :-/
[09:40] <happyaron> Laney: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/200624463/im-config_0.27-1ubuntu8.debdiff
[09:42] <Laney> happyaron: ok
[09:44]  * Laney wonders why some i386 autopkgtests are having problems installing kde test deps
[09:44] <happyaron> great
[09:51] <willcooke> hey digitalalex :) How's the symmetry looking ;)
[09:55]  * Laney eyes adt-run
[09:56] <Laney> seems like it's hung unpacking libnotify4
[09:56]  * didrocks eyes the archive publisher
[09:56] <didrocks> I thought it was publishing every 10 minutes now
[09:56]  * Laney eyes didrocks
[09:57] <didrocks> (last publishing was 25 minutes ago…)
[09:57]  * didrocks eyes Laney
[09:57] <didrocks> :)
[09:57] <seb128> ogra_ also mentioned that publisher got slower again over time I think
[09:57] <seb128> read that on some other channel
[09:57] <seb128> dunno what's going on with it
[09:58] <didrocks> ah xorg missed the publishing window…
[09:59] <seb128> :-/
[10:11] <didrocks> (at least, the xorg error is the same than in the bug)
[10:13] <seb128> didrocks, you get the error now? or you mean the autopkgtest one?
[10:15] <didrocks> seb128: I used minicom to get into it while the systems are running
[10:15] <didrocks> lightdm logs are really poor, (that's what is in the unit) and just says "lightdm failed to start"
[10:15] <didrocks> so I looked at Xorg logs
[10:16] <seb128> which lightdm logs?
[10:16]  * didrocks didn't use minicom since 2002
[10:16] <seb128> it has several logs, it's a bit confusing
[10:16] <didrocks> seb128: the one showing up on systemctl status
[10:16] <didrocks> so stdout, stderr + syslog forwarding
[10:16] <seb128> didrocks, k, those are not the logs I guess?
[10:16] <didrocks> but even running it manually with --debug doesn't help apart from "xorg stopped"
[10:17] <didrocks> yeah, it doesn't print anything actually
[10:17] <seb128> didrocks, /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log and x-0.log probably have more details?
[10:17] <seb128> or X-0-greeter.log
[10:17] <didrocks> seb128: I'm not in it anymore, lightdm.log got what --debug had (so not really useful in that case)
[10:18] <seb128> didrocks, the xorg errors/details are in x-0(-greeter).log
[10:18] <didrocks> not sure about x-0.log, if it's the xorg logs, that would help I guess
[10:18] <seb128> right
[10:18] <seb128> it should
[10:18] <didrocks> those should probably be forwarded to the journal (or rsyslog)
[10:19] <seb128> not sure
[10:19] <seb128> is syslog supposed to have the detailed logs from every service?
[10:20] <seb128> it would make it quite impossible to read
[10:20] <didrocks> it's supposed to have enough logs to know what went wrong I guess
[10:20] <didrocks> like warnings and so on
[10:21] <seb128> well, xorg log has the xorg log, even when there is no issue/error
[10:22] <seb128> but yeah, ideally real error would be fwded to the main log by some mean
[10:22] <didrocks> indeed, and that's where the issue is
[10:23] <didrocks> if they just print to stdout/stderr, it's not an issue anymore with the journal
[10:23] <didrocks> but let's see, I'll poke robert
[10:23] <didrocks> ah, finally xorg published in proposed
[10:23]  * didrocks tries
[10:25] <GunnarHj> happyaron, Laney: I'm in doubt as regards the debian/rules changes in im-config at bug #1430893. If I understand it correctly, fcitx won't be installed by default unless Chinese is selected. There is still a Japanase remix which ships fcitx with the intention to make it the default IM framework. Considering that, wouldn't it be better to keep debian/rules as is in 15.04?
[10:26] <happyaron> GunnarHj: if not doing that, all live session user will have fcitx as input method
[10:27] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Aha...
[10:27] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Do you have some other idea how to solve the Japanese remix issue?
[10:31] <didrocks> mlankhorst: the upgrade works and fix systemd X11-related tests!
[10:32] <seb128> didrocks, \o/
[10:32] <didrocks> mlankhorst: I really think we should have at least one autopkgtest starting lightdm and ensuring we have a xorg server running
[10:32] <didrocks> willcooke: FYI ^
[10:32] <didrocks> seb128: phew!
[10:32] <didrocks> ok, now overriding the failing autopkgtests as we discussed yesterday
[10:32] <seb128> didrocks, I don't understand why you didn't get the xorg not starting issue in your vm though
[10:33] <didrocks> seb128: I don't know as well (on the whole install)
[10:33] <didrocks> probably a driver different when starting qemu myself and under adt
[10:33] <didrocks> (I'm using direct rendering)
[10:33] <seb128> could be
[10:33] <seb128> Laney, can we get a new desktop iso built?
[10:34] <seb128> Laney, with the double lib promotion and the xorg fix seems like worth starting a new build to see where we are now
[10:34] <didrocks> seb128: xorg is still in proposed
[10:34] <seb128> oh, ok
[10:34] <Laney> is that systemd/upstart test getting fixed?
[10:35] <didrocks> Laney: no, that was another one
[10:35] <seb128> the machine-id one?
[10:35] <didrocks> not even :p
[10:35] <didrocks> so, there is the upstart reboot issue
[10:35] <didrocks> that we discussed yesterday
[10:35] <didrocks> and identified the cause
[10:35] <didrocks> then, they wanted to override the tests
[10:36] <didrocks> but as it was one of the first test failing, I wanted that we run all the other tests still
[10:36] <didrocks> and that's how I discovered the lightdm/xorg issue
[10:37] <Laney> nobody skipped the tests
[10:37] <GunnarHj> Laney: Sorry about the l-s upload. Now I don't see the upload in the archive, neither in -proposed or -release.
[10:38] <Laney> what does 'rmadison language-selector' say?
[10:38] <didrocks> Laney: hence the "wanted"
[10:38]  * didrocks feels now a little bit better on bug #1433728 should be the same
[10:38] <Laney> hmm?
[10:39] <didrocks> I guess there was another one, commenting as well
[10:40] <GunnarHj> Laney: According to rmadison it's in vivid-proposed. (But not visible on the LP page.)
[10:40] <Laney> GunnarHj: Click on View full publishing history and you can see that it's being copied atm
[10:41] <GunnarHj> Laney: Done. Looks promising. :)
[10:43] <Laney> Kind of surprised that this approach worked straight away. :P
[11:30] <attente_> happyaron: #1433831 i guess is because unity 7 runs X, so runs /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70im-config_launch. the upstart job requires IM_CONFIG_PHASE to be set by that
[11:31] <attente_> happyaron: and i guess the lack of initctl set-env in the job script is another bug that wasn't noticed because it already worked in unity 7
[11:44] <Mirv> seb128: Laney: was there some final thought about the train vs. MIR:ing? I can add the check to my Qt landing process (to ping archive admins at the right point), but it of course affects any train landings that do similar thing
[11:46] <Laney> Mirv: Can you find out why that flag isn't set on the PPAs?
[11:46] <Mirv> Laney: oh, right so why the PPA:s allow building such things?
[11:46] <Laney> Perhaps because it's weird to promote things in the archive to satisfy builds in an external repository
[11:47] <Mirv> blocking on that in landing PPA:s would make some sense since landing PPA is a sort of proposed-proposed anyway
[11:47] <Mirv> but then again indeed it's weird to prepromote
[11:48] <Mirv> best would be if proposed could detect it even with copy-binaried packages
[11:48] <Mirv> anyhow, I'll add the check to my own process doc
[11:56] <Mirv> (added to https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1xXhsnTwzvm5p6gDbUrDpRPSJV9tX4SHCptC9yUYCMmE/edit#gid=1330430878 for 5.5)
[12:00] <mdeslaur> charles: do I need to merge indicator-power myself, or is that handled automatically?
[12:01] <mdeslaur> oh, I can't merge it
[12:02] <mdeslaur> tedg: ^ ?
[12:44] <Laney> GunnarHj: any problem with uploading a new version of the default wallpaper?
[12:44] <Laney> xnox: want to check it?
[12:45] <xnox> Laney: yo, where is it? same bug report?
[12:45] <Laney> ya
[12:46] <GunnarHj> Laney: No. We haven't changed the screenshots in the desktop guide yet, so just go ahead.
[12:46] <Laney> ty
[12:46] <xnox> damn
[12:47] <xnox> i got a ticket for Election Debates with Pink News, Evan Davis and all major parties and my question got selected.
[12:47] <xnox> but i can't go - as I have a meeting and a volleyball match =(
[12:47] <xnox>  /o\
[12:47] <Laney> miss them!
[12:50] <tjaalton> does lightdm do any sort of scaling on the greeter?
[12:50] <tjaalton> on vivid
[12:51] <tjaalton> I've got a system with a highres panel which starts with the native resolution but the display goes blank for a second and comes back with a lower looking res, or scaled. X log doesn't show resolution changing
[12:53] <xnox> Laney: i approve, both pngs look good with little artifacts and better symmetry.
[12:53] <xnox> Laney: the greeter logo doesn't align, but i ponder if the greeter is at fault here, rather than the wallpaper.
[12:55] <seb128> tjaalton, since yesterday u-s-d sets the scale factor on hidpi systems yes
[12:56] <Laney> xnox: ok, thx
[12:56] <Laney> the logo doesn't look equally spaced between rows to me
[12:56] <Laney> probably because it is heavier at the bottom
[12:56] <Laney> (independent of background image)
[12:57] <tjaalton> seb128: ok..
[12:57] <seb128> tjaalton, is that looking wrong.
[12:58] <tjaalton> well it should happen earlier, it looks a bit ugly now
[12:58] <tjaalton> the greeter starts first with the native resolution
[12:58] <seb128> out of the transition
[12:58] <tjaalton> unscaled
[12:58] <seb128> does the result looks fine?
[12:58] <tjaalton> result is ok-ish to me
[12:58] <seb128> ok-ish only?
[12:59] <tjaalton> haven't compared to another one with same dimensions but 1080p
[12:59] <tjaalton> can't keep them both powered on :)
[12:59] <xnox> Laney: i do think it might be a greeter problem. Cause we overlay the grid pattern at an offset from the screen edges, But we should still, imho find the centre and do calculations from there
[13:00] <xnox> to the edges, sans padding.
[13:00]  * xnox will play with vala later.
[13:01] <tedg> mdeslaur, Oh, I put it in a silo, but I just realized I forgot about it....
[13:02] <tedg> Silos need push notifications and to be a little more annoying ☺
[13:06] <mdeslaur> tedg: ah, thanks!
[13:08] <qengho> willcooke: where are red and blue swapped in Cr on N7? Images? Text? Backgrounds? All? I can imagine something specific to Cr for the fractional pixels in drawing text.
[13:10] <willcooke> qengho, hey!  Just checking, I think it's everything in Cr
[13:14] <willcooke> qengho, text is, images are too
[13:14] <willcooke> mlankhorst said he thought it was likely an Xmir thing
[13:16] <mlankhorst> definitely :P
[13:16] <mlankhorst> are you running with a compositor or without?
[13:17] <willcooke> without I think
[13:19] <qengho> mlankhorst: Wrong visual-class or something? I'll peek in the X layer details so I can answer questions you might have.
[13:19] <mlankhorst> qengho: probably just xmir-dri2.c bugging, does it show when you run Xmir with -egl too?
[13:22]  * willcooke tries
[13:22] <willcooke> mlankhorst, same
[13:23] <mlankhorst> interesting, I thought it would have been a bug related to dri2..
[13:24] <mlankhorst> willcooke: what's the smallest testcase?
[13:24] <mlankhorst> eg do i need icewm or anything?
[13:32] <willcooke> mlankhorst, don't need icewm in order to see the issue, so I'd say not.
[13:32] <willcooke> smallest testcase would be, install it, run it, witness the rainbow
[13:32] <willcooke> (but icewm might make things a bit easier for you, if you've got a mouse)
[13:32] <mlankhorst> ok I'll take a look :P
[13:32] <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst
[13:33] <willcooke> Cr is surprisingly fast on this N7 btw qengho
[13:34] <qengho> I compiled-in support for the GOFAST register.
[13:34] <qengho> Ha ha
[13:35] <qengho> I'm not surprised, willcooke. The N7 is pretty good, aside from the terrible "disk".
[13:36] <willcooke> :D
[13:38] <seb128> bah
[13:38] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the theme landing, there was another approved branch from larsu fixing issues with the new gtk, would have been nice to land it with it, but I guess for next landing now...
[13:44] <tjaalton> seb128: is there a way to disable scaling the greeter? sometimes it seems to take a long time to get the greeter up, and I don't want to blame the i915 driver for nothing
[13:44] <seb128> tjaalton, no
[13:44] <tjaalton> ok
[13:44] <seb128> tjaalton, move the u-s-d xsettings plugin away
[13:45] <tjaalton> indicator menus are misplaced
[13:45] <seb128> tjaalton, the change was https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/non-unity-sessions-need-scaling/+merge/250153
[13:45] <seb128> we might want to exclude the greeter
[13:45] <seb128> the main goal was to get ubiquity/oem-setup scaling
[13:46] <tjaalton> ok thanks, I'll try that
[13:46] <seb128> tjaalton, can you open an unity-greeter bug about the menu thing?
[13:46] <tjaalton> sure
[13:48] <seb128> thanks
[13:50] <tjaalton> bug 1434094
[13:51] <tjaalton> I had the old package cached, can try that on the other machine
[13:56] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks, I'm going to try on my non-hdpi laptop in a bit by forcing the value from u-s-d
[14:03] <tjaalton> ok it's not the scaler that's confusing my skl system but loading the background
[14:03] <tjaalton> or whatever the greeter does
[14:03] <tjaalton> oh well, bisect it is then
[14:47] <desrt> Trevinho is going insane
[14:47] <desrt> STOP MAKING MY PHONE BEEP
[14:48] <Trevinho> desrt: yeah... let's go back to IRC:.... way better :D
[14:48] <Trevinho> desrt: mute it :P
[14:48] <Trevinho> desrt: it's your baby...
[14:48]  * didrocks is happy to have mute is a while ago
[14:48] <Trevinho> desrt: your going to hate it... :D
[14:48] <Trevinho> desrt: but.... in few days it will calm down again
[14:48] <desrt> Trevinho: my baby is all grown up
[14:48] <desrt> Trevinho: ya.. no doubt
[14:48] <desrt> this happened in brussels as well :)
[14:48] <Trevinho> desrt: someone had to do this dirty job at some point
[14:49] <desrt> i'm sort of glad there is a hard limit at 200 :p
[14:49] <Trevinho> lol
[14:52] <mlankhorst> updating my xmir setup, lightdm fails to log in probably because i haven't updated since systemd switch :P
[15:06] <davmor2> seb128: quick question that you might be able to help with, On vivid desktop where are audio cd's mounted there is nothing in media, but if I plug in a usb device that shows in media
[15:07] <seb128> davmor2, audio cds are not data, they are not really mounted in the fs meaning, what would you want to see in /media exactly?
[15:10] <davmor2> seb128: I just expected to see  a folder for it in media :)
[15:10] <seb128> davmor2, yeah ... but no ;-)
[15:10] <seb128> NOTABUG
[15:11] <seb128> we could create a folder but it would be empty since there is no file on the disk
[15:11] <davmor2> seb128: I didn't think it was a bug I just figured it lived somewhere else for audio cd's :) but now it appears they don't mount as such,   learn something new everyday :)
[15:11] <seb128> oh ok
[15:11] <seb128> well, it's a gvfs mount on the desktop
[15:12] <seb128> it's a bit like if you mount a smb share
[15:12] <davmor2> seb128: ah okay thanks
[15:12] <seb128> those don't have entries in the local fs
[15:12] <davmor2> seb128: that makes more sense now  ta :)
[15:12] <seb128> yw!
[15:27] <mlankhorst> willcooke: it shows the correct colors here?
[15:27] <willcooke> ?!?!
[15:28] <willcooke> I'll risk an upgrade and see if that helps
[15:28] <mlankhorst> xserver-xorg-core and xmir in archive are newer, need to downgrade afterwards if you do
[15:29] <mlankhorst> apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.17.1-0ubuntu2+sa8 xserver-xorg-core-dbg=2:1.17.1-0ubuntu2+sa8 xserver-xorg-xmir=2:1.17.1-0ubuntu2+sa8
[15:29] <mlankhorst> something like that
[15:29] <willcooke> thx
[15:36] <willcooke> darn - ran out of space upgrading.
[15:37] <mlankhorst> :/
[15:37] <mlankhorst> I don't see it happening on the desktop, could you give the spam Xmir gives on startup?
[15:40] <willcooke> oops - device rebooted -> brick
[15:40] <willcooke> I'll have to reflash
[15:40] <willcooke> \o/
[15:41] <mlankhorst> oke, bbiab then :P
[15:41] <willcooke> :D
[15:41] <mlankhorst> can't wait to test if I fixed my little tegra or not
[15:41] <mlankhorst> tested all day on radeon + intel, almost the same thing :p
[15:41] <mlankhorst> just different hw
[15:42] <mlankhorst> bb
[15:42] <Laney> didrocks: https://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85572btw
[15:42] <Laney> with a space
[15:42] <Laney> wow
[15:42] <Laney> clever bot
[15:44]  * qengho afk. transit cafe->home.
[16:23] <Laney> attente_: I just tried this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-themes/1285783/+merge/227768 and it doesn't seem to fix gnome-tweak-tool for me
[16:23] <Laney> has it bitrotted?
[16:26] <attente_> Laney: i guess so, but gnome-tweak-tool is working for me on my machine
[16:27] <attente_> Laney: gnome-tweak-tool is transparent for you without it?
[16:29] <Laney> ya if I change tabs it goes transparent
[16:29] <willcooke> mlankhorst, reflashed, getting segfaults when running xmir, I guess that means I installed the wrong versions of xmir etc?
[16:29] <attente_> Laney: weird. it's not doing that for me
[16:30] <Laney> erm!
[16:30] <Laney> someone else try plz
[16:31] <attente_> Laney: oh. no overlay-scrollbars here is why....
[16:32] <Laney> tsk tsk
[16:35] <attente_> ok... still working even with o-s...
[16:38] <Laney> ...
[16:38] <Laney> larsu: confirm/deny this? :)
[16:40] <attente_> Laney: ok, gotta downgrade my gtk. it's at 3.15.5~20150206.r1+git0b06b1e-0ubuntu1
[16:40] <Laney> haha
[16:40] <Laney> would be a bit strange if that got randomly fixed though?
[16:43] <attente_> Laney: strange indeed. downgrading broke it :(
[16:44] <attente_> time for some bisection
[16:46] <Laney> wait
[16:46] <Laney> attente_: we don't have your patch ...
[16:47] <attente_> Laney: the one that sets the background on gtkstack?
[16:47] <Laney> or did they rework this upstream?
[16:47] <attente_> i thought it went upstream
[16:47] <Laney> ah wait, Company changed it
[16:48] <Laney> yeah we have this
[16:48] <attente_> it might be that Company's change broke it again for us
[16:49] <Laney> you said it works in 3.15
[16:49] <Laney> unless there was some followup
[16:49] <attente_> yeah, it works with 3.15
[16:50] <Laney> so probably not this change
[16:50] <Laney> ho hum
[16:50] <attente_> ok, i'll bisect it to find what happened
[16:50] <Laney> thanks
[16:50] <Laney> no big rush if you're doing other things
[16:51] <willcooke> mlankhorst, ignore my last comment about segfault. Seems I've installed a version based on V.  Fixing....
[16:53] <willcooke> Laney, looks like we'll be clouded out for the eclipse tomorrow morning
[16:53] <larsu> Laney: I can neither confirm nor deny this
[16:53] <attente_> larsu: it's ok. it's confirmed, looking into it now
[16:54] <Laney> willcooke: some chance of breaks in the cloud mid-morning so some know it all on Facebook is saying
[16:54] <Laney> visibility is pretty shite out there currently
[16:54] <Laney> #smog
[16:55] <willcooke> same here
[16:55] <willcooke> I wonder if Easyjet fly from Luton the the Faroe Islands
[16:56] <Laney> just fly anywhere
[16:57] <Laney> as long as you're in the air at the right time
[16:57] <Laney> :D
[16:57] <willcooke> and going roughly north
[16:57] <Laney> anywhere north ish I guess
[16:57] <willcooke> Edinburgh here I come...
[16:58] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, so can't go upstream
[16:58] <didrocks> Laney: I guess that's fine, we'll handle the transition and remove the distro-patch once we are ok
[16:58] <Laney> Maybe we should man up and fix this instead
[16:59] <Laney> i.e. not patch
[16:59] <larsu> Laney: 'man up'. srlsy?
[16:59] <didrocks> Laney: patches welcome :)
[16:59] <Laney> sigh
[16:59] <didrocks> I think greeping through the archive
[16:59] <didrocks> but TBH enoughtodo for now
[16:59] <Laney> I have been providing patches.
[17:00] <didrocks> for apps?
[17:00] <didrocks> I mean: we need to grep the whole archive source
[17:00] <didrocks> for the file
[17:00] <didrocks> and then fix and send upstream for every app to use /etc/machine-id if the dbus-id isn't present
[17:02] <Laney> sounds good
[17:03] <didrocks> yeah, just for now, I'm happy that we have a fix, and then, I agree the longer term solution would be to fix the apps
[17:03] <didrocks> let's see if we can get a grep of the archive tomorrow to see if it's a disaster or not
[17:03] <didrocks> at least, we have an intermediate solution
[17:48] <happyaron> attente_: I see systemd --user is launched, is systemd user session being used now? if so we might want to write a .service file instead
[17:48] <attente_> happyaron: seb128 said we're still using upstart in the user session iirc
[17:49] <didrocks> happyaron: clearly not ready for wider consumption yet
[17:49] <happyaron> ok
[18:08]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:08] <Laney> bye didrocks!
[18:08] <didrocks> see you tomorrow Laney :)
[18:22]  * willcooke -> EOD o/
[20:01] <thumper> is there any way to clear the OSD notification buffer?
[20:01] <thumper> thunderbird went crazy and added a bunch
[20:01] <thumper> I closed thunderbird but the popups are still showing...
[20:02] <robert_ancell> seb128, how are you with rebuilding ubuntu-meta? I've changed the ubuntu.vivid seed to use the new Indic font packages but ./update doesn't change anything in ubuntu-meta. Never had any trouble with it before so not sure why it's not working
[20:02] <larsu> thumper: kill notify-osd. it'll get restarted next time you receive a notification
[20:03] <thumper> cheers
[20:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[20:23] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I've read that. Not sure what I'm missing...
[20:23] <seb128> " run the update script in the appropriate source package and upload it "
[20:23] <seb128> did you try that?
[20:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, and that doesn't update it for some reason
[20:24] <seb128> get the current source, it should have a script
[20:24] <seb128> k, dunno then, I didn't try for ages
[20:24] <seb128> you might have more luck on #ubuntu-devel
[20:24] <robert_ancell> Yeah, it always just used to work magically for me.
[20:24] <robert_ancell> k


[02:05] <imgbot> [03:05] <imgbot> [04:20] <imgbot> [04:20] <imgbot> [18:59] <slangasek> I'm confused by this output; it doesn't look like a test failure, but some kind of otto test framework failure? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-utopic/2917/console


[00:02] <kiko> thewrath, did you get your problems sorted?
[00:08] <thewrath> i believe so
[00:08] <thewrath> everything seems to be working
[00:08] <thewrath> you mean with pushing hte code, etc out to launchpad.net?
[00:09] <thewrath> kiko: is that correct? and also do you have a pgp or a gpg key?
[00:12] <kiko> gpg
[00:12] <kiko> gpg rocks
[00:12] <kiko> but the keys are the same
[00:13] <thewrath> right
[00:13] <thewrath> i ahve that all working but want to test it
[00:13] <thewrath> can you help me test it?
[00:15] <thewrath> how long does it take for an admin or someone else to change the name of a project
[00:34] <thewrath> kiko: ?
[01:54] <kiko> thewrath, sorry, I gotta dash, catch you tomorrow
[02:31] <Hobbsee> way cool.  it really does die.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> OOPS-1189EA13
[02:32] <Hobbsee> and OOPS-1189D145 for production.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation
[02:34] <Hobbsee> What's the intended workaround?
[02:43] <jamesh> Hobbsee: maybe try looking at a different page?
[02:55] <jamesh> Hobbsee: for what it is worth, that page appears to be spending a lot of its time looking up email addresses (probably to linkify changelogs)
[02:59] <wgrant> Hobbsee: There's no workaround to see that page, but you can sometimes check the version history at +publishinghistory
[03:06] <VK7HSE> I've made a small blunder! I'm currently uploading packages for Me Tv (both into my own PPA and the Me Tv PPA) where I have gone wrong is that as of the current version it was decided to include the bzr build number into the package name. So the initial upload was called me-tv (0.8.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1) but then we decided to rename to me-tv (0.8.0-0ubuntu1-beta-bzr386~ppa1) so now the problem is that the beta side of testing is
[03:07] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, bug 353568
[03:07] <Ursinha> people are working on it
[03:10] <wgrant> VK7HSE: The correct version would have been 0.8.0+bzr386-0ubuntu1~ppa1 or similar
[03:11] <wgrant> The bzr revision is part of the tarball version, surely.
[03:11] <wgrant> But your message got cut off, so I don't quite know what you're asking.
[03:11] <VK7HSE> the bzr pull created me-tv-0.8.0.tar.gz ...
[03:12] <VK7HSE> hang on I'll paste it....
[03:12] <VK7HSE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/143226/
[03:13] <VK7HSE> I'm still relatively new to the build process! so I was sure to make a mistake! :-/
[03:14] <wgrant> VK7HSE: The correct thing to do was to use 0.8.0~beta or similar.
[03:14] <wgrant> As ~ is less than anything else.
[03:14] <VK7HSE> so to rectify, requsting a new release would then fix?
[03:14] <wgrant> For now you can use <IP_ADDRESS>, or 0.8.0+something
[03:15] <wgrant> Or get them to do a new release.
[03:15] <wgrant> And research version sorting thoroughly in future.
[03:15] <VK7HSE> I'll give the suggestions a try thanks...
[04:50] <DBO2> so what do I have to do to get access to the launchpad api =)  I'd like to rework our plugin for GNOME Do
[04:51] <wgrant> DBO2: http://help.launchpad.net/API
[04:54] <DBO2> so I need to become a launchpad beta tester
[04:56] <wgrant> Yes.
[04:57] <DBO2> is it possible for me to do that or is that a closed group?
[05:01] <wgrant> DBO2: There are more than 2000 members - it's quite open.
[05:02] <wgrant> Just request to join.
[05:02] <wgrant> And somebody will generally approve you within a day or two.
[05:02] <DBO2> sweet
[05:43] <MTecknology> heh - I found a bug in launchpad design :)
[05:43] <MTecknology> I feel special
[05:47] <dlynch> wgrant: I was able to use the API in a simple way from a python script, and I didn't join the beta group
[05:57] <MTecknology> Does launchpad offer private branches for proprietary software?
[06:00] <MTecknology> everyone sleeping?
[06:01] <spm> MTecknology: I believe so. for $ aiui
[06:02] <MTecknology> spm: you mean it's something that they pay for?
[06:02] <spm> yes
[06:03] <spm> AIUI. I'm a sysadmin, not a sales/marketing person. :-)
[06:03] <noodles775-afk> MTecknology: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[06:03] <wgrant> Launchpad developers seem to be very good at long-range typing.
[06:03] <spm> noodles775-afk: ta. I keep forgetting about the faq... :-)
[06:04] <noodles775-afk> wgrant: just getting away from the keyboard now :)
[06:04] <noodles775-afk> spm: np!
[06:05] <spm> wgrant: the rumours about the canonical-sponsored-proprietary-keyboard-control-via-thought software; are just that. mere rumours. no truth to it at all. honest. cross my heart etc.
[06:07] <wgrant> sinzui: Hmm, if all map checkboxes are driven by the same piece of code, why are the in different places on person and team pages?
[06:07] <wgrant> spm: Damn.
[06:17] <jamesh> wgrant: because person and team pages use different templates?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> jamesh: they all seem to be like that
[06:54] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ah, right
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Ursinha: thanks, hope to see it fixed soon
[07:03] <wgrant> jamesh: They're not in the templates.
[07:03] <wgrant> jamesh: they're generated by JavaScript.
[07:40] <MTecknology> Does staging.launchpad.net actually host bazaar branches? ie - can code be uploaded there?
[07:41] <wgrant> MTecknology: Yes.
[07:48] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: hi
[07:48] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: it seems to be months between times when I see you around
[07:48] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: greetings.  And I don't frequent here so much anymore, which is probably why
[07:53] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: only other channels I sit in that you're also in right now are -bugs and -meetings
[07:54] <MTecknology> s/ngs/ns/
[07:54] <Hobbsee> sounds about right
[07:56] <jamesh> MTecknology: don't expect uploads to bazaar.staging.launchpad.net to stick though.
[08:01] <MTecknology> jamesh: I was curious because of this - https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/65927
[08:04] <wgrant> Huh./
[08:04] <wgrant> Indeed, the branches don't seem to be there any more.
[08:04] <wgrant> But I'm fairly sure I was able to use even private codebrowse on there a month ago.
[08:04] <wgrant> But maybe that was only for a new branch.
[08:09] <speakman> Hi LP folks! Can I create a "superproject" myself, or is it something launchpad admins has to create for you?
[08:09] <RAOF> That needs an LP admin, IIRC.
[08:12] <wgrant> speakman: Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[08:12] <noodles775> Yeah, best to put a request like one of the others here speakman :
[08:12] <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+questions?field.sort=by+relevancy&field.language-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.status=Open&field.status=Needs+information&field.status=Answered&field.status=Solved&field.search_text=super+project
[08:13] <noodles775> wgrant: too quick!
[08:13] <wgrant> noodles775: Only by a fraction of a second :(
[08:14]  * wgrant laments the lack of a 'Nearby' part of the breadcrumbs.
[08:14] <wgrant> There used to be menus that almost fulfilled that purpose, but they got culled for 2.0.
[08:15] <noodles775> wgrant: what do you mean by a 'Nearby' part? What's an eg on another site?
[08:16] <wgrant> noodles775: I don't know of any examples
[08:16] <wgrant> But I should be able to click on an arrow next to my PPA in the breadcrumbs, and it will drop down a list of my other PPAs.
[08:16] <noodles775> Ah... neat idea...
[08:16] <wgrant> For a source package in a distroseries it should drop down links to that source package in its other distroseries.
[08:17] <noodles775> Sounds like it'd be worth chatting with beuno when he's around!
[08:17] <wgrant> That's what I thought.
[08:17] <wgrant> Because at the moment you have to hack URLs or perform an awful lot of clicks.
[08:19] <noodles775> Yeah
[08:20] <wgrant> Do you remember the old breadcrumb menus? They might have gone before you appeared on the scene.
[08:20] <speakman> wgrant: noodles775: thanks! (just curios: why do you link primarly to edge..?)
[08:21] <mdke> edge comes up automatically in urls for those using it
[08:21] <noodles775> speakman: it happens by default if you sign up as a beta tester...
[08:21] <mdke> it's difficult to remember every time to remove it from urls
[08:21] <wgrant> Maybe we need an irssi plugin to strip 'edge.'
[08:22] <mdke> so, on the subject of project groups, is it possible to set single milestones and series for projects in a particular group, or do they need to be kept up to date individually?
[08:22]  * mdke goes back and erases the "so," part of the question for popey's benefit
[08:23] <wgrant> I don't think you can do it globally.
[08:23] <wgrant> Since it doesn't make sense, in most cases.
[08:23] <wgrant> In Launchpad's case it does, but that's because Launchpad's usage of Launchpad is somewhat wrong.
[08:24] <popey> haha mdke
[08:24] <popey> tis okay, it's not a blog post :)
[08:24] <mdke> wgrant: that's what I figured
[08:24] <mdke> popey: ;p
[08:25] <jamesh> MTecknology: the branches uploaded to staging are not available, but if you push a new branch to bazaar.staging.launchpad.net, it will be listed on code.staging.launchpad.net
[08:25] <popey> i used to think I had no irrational OCD behaviours, now I realise I have quite a few
[08:25] <jamesh> MTecknology: at least until the database gets wiped the next day
[08:25] <wgrant> jamesh: Is this a new thing?
[08:25] <mdke> wgrant: I suppose that really there should be a further subdivision, so that there are project groups, projects, and then components of projects
[08:26] <wgrant> mdke: I think that last case can be fulfilled by supercharged tags.
[08:26] <jamesh> wgrant: not particularly new.
[08:26] <mdke> wgrant: for bug reporting only, surely?
[08:26] <speakman> noodles775: i meant your link in here :)
[08:26] <mdke> wgrant: how can tags be used for translations or code?
[08:26] <speakman> wgrant: noodles775: btw, here's my question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/66316
[08:27] <wgrant> mdke: I'm not quite sure how translations or code need to be kept separate.
[08:27] <wgrant> jamesh: I recall using private codebrowse, and I would only have done that on staging (as it was during a session of poking holes in lp-bzr, which I would only have done on staging)
[08:28] <noodles775> speakman: yeah, I know... as the others mentioned, it had 'edge' in it because I copy-n-pasted it from my browser (as a beta tester, my lp account defaults to edge). I'll try to remember to remove it before pasting links :)
[08:28] <mdke> wgrant: it can be convenient to have a separate lp shortcut, so "bzr branch lp:malone" and "bzr branch lp:rosetta", as for translations, you might have components which use similar templates with different content
[08:29] <wgrant> mdke: In Launchpad's case it's actually all in one branch.
[08:29] <wgrant> Although that will change soon.
[08:29] <mdke> wgrant: I'm speaking hypothetically
[08:29] <wgrant> (although not to the extent of the current proliferation of projects)
[08:29] <wgrant> Right.
[08:29] <mdke> I used the example of Launchpad because you said that its use of group projects is wrong
[08:29] <mdke> and I can see what you meant by that
[08:29] <wgrant> I can see rationale for splitting a project's bugs, but splittiing the code would seem to split it into multiple codebases, which means multiple projects make sense.
[08:29] <speakman> noodles775: oh, I see! :D
[08:30] <mdke> wgrant: ok, that's clearer
[08:30] <jamesh> wgrant: Launchpad code isn't split between the historic malone, rosetta, etc projects.
[08:30] <mdke> wgrant: in that case, a feature to set single series and milestones across projects would make sense for some projects
[08:30] <jamesh> you'll see things split up a bit more closer to the release though
[08:30] <wgrant> jamesh: 'In Launchpad's case it's actually all in one branch.'
[08:31] <wgrant> I did just say exactly that, I think.
[08:31] <jamesh> [some infrastructure bits have already been separated and released]
[08:31] <noodles775> speakman: I've assigned your question to kiko :)
[08:33] <wgrant> jamesh: It won't be split up apart from the infrastructure and non-free bits, will it?
[08:33] <jamesh> wgrant: there are plans to make the codebase more modular.  I don't know how much will be in separate branches though.
[08:34] <jamesh> a lot of the infrastructure will be in separate branches though.
[08:34] <speakman> noodles775: thanks, but why did it move from "Launchpad-itself" to one of our projects? :D
[08:34] <wgrant> As we already have in /lazr, right.
[08:39] <noodles775> speakman: Sorry, my mistake :D Set back to launchpad.
[08:39] <speakman> noodles775: The email just arrived :D
[08:40]  * wgrant feared that the Blueprint bug had hit Answers too.
[08:40] <speakman> noodles775: There was one swedish talking person @ launchpad according to the question form. Is that "kiko"?
[08:41] <noodles775> speakman: kiko loves languages, but I don't think he's started swedish yet. Not sure who it might be.
[08:43] <speakman> noodles775: i see :)
[08:44] <speakman> Another Launchpad question; When doing Merge Proposals, how do I know which one actually does the merge? The "Status:" might changes from "Needs review" to "Approved", but it's not clear wheter the person changing the status also should be the one who do the merging.
[08:50] <noodles775> speakman: I guess that depends on the project... and who has permission to merge into the parent branch.
[08:51] <speakman> noodles775: oh, okay. It's up the team to have policys like if the approver also makes the merge? There's no way for Launchpad to tell if the merge has been completed?
[08:51] <RAOF> speakman: Some people run a daemon that automatically merges approved branches into trunk, too.
[08:52] <wgrant> Launchpad will notice when the branch is merged, but someone (or a robot, as RAOF suggested) needs to do the actual merging once it's approved.
[08:54] <speakman> wgrant: is the merge proposal closed when merge is committed?
[08:54] <wgrant> speakman: Yes.
[08:55] <speakman> oh,
[08:55] <speakman> oh great. then two people doing the same merge is not so likly :)
[08:56] <wgrant> I'd be a bit suspicious if I did a merge and there were no revisions to merge, I think.
[08:56] <wgrant> So it's not likely in any case.
[11:24] <tormod> is lp b0rked? some pages only return OOPS, like https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/
[11:25] <wgrant> tormod: Bug #353568
[11:25] <tormod> thanks
[11:51] <pvandewyngaerde> how can i prevent my membership in a team to expire ?
[14:03] <jpds> Anyone know how I can remove a bug watch?
[14:05] <MrKanister> jpds: just assign the project to "nobody"
[14:06] <wgrant> jpds: You can't remove a watch, but you can unlink it from the task easily.
[14:07] <jpds> wgrant: That's a shame, I just set it as "None" and marked as invalid.
[14:08] <wgrant> jpds: You wanted to remove the whole task, not just the watch?
[14:08] <wgrant> Ah, you can actually delete the watch if it's not linked to a task.
[14:08] <jpds> wgrant: That too would be preferable (it's bug #335715).
[14:09]  * wgrant resolves to port ubottu to launchpadlib tomorrow
[14:09] <wgrant> jpds: Oh, you can't actually delete tasks.
[14:09] <wgrant> (yet, hopefully)
[14:09] <vorian> thanks for the million karma points guys <3
[14:09] <wgrant> You might as well delete the bug watch (hit the edit icon in the portlet)
[14:10] <wgrant> vorian: Wow. Literally.
[14:10]  * wgrant remembers the days when 10 million was commonplace.
[14:10]  * vorian chuckles at "it's fixed"
[14:10] <wgrant> But... that's a bit extreme now.
[14:11] <wgrant> vorian: I don't think they ever fixed the karma bug.
[14:11] <vorian> it's not karma, it's rosetta
[14:11] <wgrant> I mean the karma-giving bit of rosetta.
[14:11] <vorian> i used a filter this time to auto-delete all the rosetta spam
[14:11] <wgrant> It's not spamming you 20000 times any more, is it?
[14:12] <vorian> only about a 10th this time around
[14:12] <wgrant> danilos: ^^
[14:12] <vorian> I'm still got a ton of successful import emails
[14:12] <vorian> and they are still hitting my trashbin
[14:14] <wgrant> beuno: Did you see my UI suggestion here about 6 hours ago?
[14:21] <beuno> wgrant, I didn't
[14:22] <beuno> wgrant, care to copy'n'paste it?
[14:23] <wgrant> beuno: Basically, I'd like the breadcrumbs to have 'nearby' links, as a sort of restricted version of the dropdowns that were removed for 2.0.
[14:24] <wgrant> I could navigate between a user's PPAs by clicking on an arrow next to one of their PPA breadcrumbs. Down would drop links to their other PPAs.
[14:24] <wgrant> On a distribution series source package breadcrumb, I would get links to the source package in other distro series.
[14:24] <wgrant> At the moment there's no way to do that sort of thing without going most of the way back up the hierarchy, then all the way down again.
[14:24] <beuno> wgrant, oh, I have plans for something like that  :)
[14:25] <wgrant> beuno: Ah, good.
[14:25] <beuno> something among the lines of having arrows on all breadcrumbs
[14:25] <wgrant> Right.
[14:25] <beuno> and being able to jump between that object
[14:25] <wgrant> Like we had until a year ago.
[14:25] <beuno> yes, but better
[14:25] <beuno> a smart "top 5 list" and a search box that will jump directly if there's an exact match
[14:26] <wgrant> IIRC that was more focused on things related to the breadcrumb in question (eg. milestones for a product), rather than alternatives.
[14:26] <wgrant> Hmmm. interesting.
[14:27] <beuno> I'll poke you when I manage to see this through a little bit more
[14:27] <wgrant> Thanks.
[15:36] <mvo> hm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central gives me a timeout :/ (both edge and normal) - OOPS-1189A1407
[15:38] <gary_poster_> mvo: looking
[15:39] <gary_poster_> mvo: yeah, duped...looking further
[15:39] <mvo> thanks
[15:47] <gary_poster_> mvo: the fix for this is currently running through our build system.  That means it will be on edge tonight and possibly cherrypicked for production even sooner.  I'll ping you if I hear more.
[15:47] <matsubara> mvo, it's bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/353568 and cprov fixed. we're waiting on tests to finish and that will be included in today's batch of fixes to lp.net
[15:47] <mvo> great, thanks for the quick response matsubara and gary_poster_
[16:13] <seiflotfy> hi guys
[16:13] <seiflotfy> we want to remove a team form launchpad
[16:13] <seiflotfy> hwo do we do it
[16:15] <beuno> seiflotfy, you have to request it via Launchpad answers:  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:43] <danilos> vorian: hey, I've been pointed at how much trouble you are having with Launchpad Translations; please email me or update bugs (eg. 337313 and 353648) appropriately so we can evaluate impact of them and prioritize based on that
[17:34] <nhandler> Is it still possible to copy a package from a private ppa to a public ppa?
[17:37] <gary_poster> nhandler: not sure, will check for you
[17:37] <nhandler> gary_poster: Thanks a lot. I know it used to be possible, but now Launchpad keeps throwing an error
[17:45] <cprov> nhandler: hi, copy from private to public PPAs is not possible
[17:46] <cprov> nhandler: I think before 2.2.2 we didn't raise an error on the UI but the files could never be published in the repository.
[17:46] <nhandler> I am almost positive that it successfully copied the files for us. Or at least people were able to install using the public ppa after the copy
[17:47] <cprov> nhandler: P3A files are stored in a separated (private) librarian instance.
[17:48] <cprov> nhandler: the only way it could work was if the file was already public, i.e uploaded to a public PPA, then copied to a P3A then copied back to a public location.
[18:27] <maxb> ooi, what criteria does Launchpad apply to discriminate "Incomplete (without response)" and "Incomplete (with reponse)"
[18:27] <maxb> ?
[18:29] <beuno> maxb, I guess when there's a comment?
[18:29] <maxb> Any comment since the status was last changed?
[18:30] <maxb> I suppose I could answer this myself by messing around on staging
[18:30] <beuno> BjornT, intellectronica, gmb, ^
[18:30] <maxb> Or I could wait until 3.0 :-)
[18:31] <intellectronica> maxb: incomplete (with response) means there was a new comment on that bug since it was last put in the incomplete state
[18:32] <intellectronica> so the workflow is: you say "this bug is incomplete, please provide more info", then you wait for a comment...
[18:33] <maxb> thanks
[19:39] <thou> hi!  if i add a PGP key to my user, is it possible to remove it later?
[19:40] <kiko> thou, you can, yes -- but why would you want to?
[19:40] <kiko> or thou canst, more appropriately :)
[19:40] <thou> :-)
[19:40] <thou> kiko, my team has a code-signing pgp key; it's not my personal one
[19:41] <kiko> thou, hmmm. and why do you wanna associate that with your account?
[19:41] <thou> i am exploring the best way to manage uploading source packages to a PPA, signed by the team's key
[19:41] <thou> i don't want to sign the packages with my personal key
[19:42] <thou> i'm not sure if i should add a new launchpad user for the team, and associate the key with that user
[19:43] <kiko> cprov, can you advise thou on the best course of action
[19:43] <thou> i thought, if the team's key is associated with any user that is a member of the project, then it would work
[19:44] <cprov> thou: let me catch up quickly
[19:44] <thou> sure
[19:46] <thou> fyi, we build our software on a lot of platforms; trying to use launchpad for handling ubuntu packages, but we use a common user on our build farm to build everything, and we have a single host that has the private key for signing all of our packages
[19:46] <cprov> thou: okay, if the key signing a source belong to a member of the team owning the PPA the upload will be accepted.
[19:46] <cprov> thou: I just don't understand why you don't want the person responsible for a source change to sign it.
[19:47] <kiko> thou, gpg keys are pretty personal things :)
[19:47] <thou> sure
[19:47] <thou> that's why i *don't* want my key used for this
[19:47] <thou> there might be 5 different people working on building a release
[19:47] <thou> and 100 people who made code changes
[19:47] <kiko> thou, right, but any of those people can sign the source and it will be accepted
[19:48] <kiko> that's cprov's point -- not using a shared gpg key makes a lot more sense
[19:48] <thou> but we use a shared account
[19:48] <kiko> a shared account.. where?
[19:48] <thou> and we have a single code-signing key that is well known<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:49] <thou> not a launchpad account, but ... hrm, i'm not explaining well
[19:49] <kiko> thou, I think I'd create a separate LP account for that address, then.
[19:49] <kiko> thou, we do that for our PQM account for instance
[19:49] <kiko> (not for the same reason, I'm just giving the rationale for having an account for a robot)
[19:49] <thou> ok, and subscribe that account as a member of the project team
[19:49] <kiko> precisely
[19:50] <thou> that "feels" better to me
[19:50] <kiko> for launchpad the pqm bot can write to our branches
[19:50] <thou> i was concerned if launchpad users are meant to be real people
[19:50] <kiko> and in fact it is the only thing that actually does (USUALLY, though sometimes we break the rules)
[19:50] <thou> ok, great
[19:50] <kiko> they mostly are, but this is an acceptable violation of that guideline
[19:51] <kiko> usually people ask that bots be created as teams
[19:51] <kiko> which often works, but for this case, obviously doesn't
[19:51] <thou> and it's not a bot, really
[19:52] <thou> although we will script it, of course, someone will have to push the button to say "yes, it's OK, publish this"
[19:53] <thou> kiko, cprov: thanks a lot for your advice
[19:54] <kiko> thou, a pleasure talking to you by the way, haven't seen you asking around here before
[19:54] <thou> no, i'm trying to take over from mordred
[19:54] <kiko> thou, yeah.. pqm is similar in that it is email controlled
[19:54] <kiko> thou, the main difference is probably that while I don't know your script I absolutely HATE pqm
[19:55] <kiko> oh-oh said it out loud again
[19:55]  * kiko gets in trouble
[19:55] <thou> i don't know my script either.  not sure it exists yet.
[19:56] <kiko> thou, there's this autoppa thing that jamu wrote. have you seen it?
[19:56] <thou> yeah
[19:56] <thou> too limited for me
[19:56] <kiko> not extensible enough, or just the wrong design?
[19:56] <thou> the template thing only handles different ubuntu releases (hardy/intrepid/etc.)
[19:56] <cprov> thou: I'm glad to help, let me know if you guys need help with multiple-ppas (just released in 2.2.3).
[19:57] <thou> i need to be able to create some packages that, e.g., don't include innodb at all
[19:57] <kiko> mmm
[19:57] <thou> so my files listing will or won't include some sets
[19:57] <jkakar> thou: You mean not including innodb in a Depends: line?
[19:57] <thou> i'm planning to use m4 to generate the real debian/*
[19:58] <jkakar> That sounds weird. :)
[19:58] <jkakar> It sounds like you want different packages that pull in different things.  Like a myproject-common for the common stuff and a myproject-innodb for the InnoDB extensions.
[19:58] <kiko> jkakar, hey, some people use m4 to generate .procmailrc files
[19:59] <thou> hmm
[19:59] <jkakar> kiko: Sure, m4 is great.  From knowing nothing about thou's problem I get the sense he may be generating different Debian packaging files and using them to build packages with the same name, which is a bad idea.
[19:59] <kiko> with the same name?!
[20:00] <thou> we'll have mysql-enterprise-classic-gpl, mysql-enterprise-pro-commercial, etc.
[20:00] <jkakar> thou: You can specify more than one package in your control file.  AutoPPA can build more than one .deb at a time for the same release.
[20:00] <thou> where classic, pro, advanced, etc. include different sets of features
[20:00] <jkakar> Those sound like different packages with different inputs.  Perhaps all relying on some shared core package.
[20:01] <thou> jakwell, that's like building client, server, libs, test packages
[20:01] <thou> like sub-packages, right?
[20:02] <thou> so we have libmysqlclientVER-dev.deb, mysql-client-VER.deb, mysql-common-VER.deb, mysql-server-VER.deb
[20:02] <thou> those are all defined in the control file
[20:03] <jkakar> Cool, then you can build them all at once with AutoPPA.
[20:03] <thou> but i need the option of building all of those in the 'pro' or 'classic' configuration
[20:03] <thou> and 'pro' and 'classic', etc., are almost identical
[20:04] <thou> but have different features sets defined, which means different ./configure --foo, resulting in different files and directories lists
[20:04] <thou> and of course build those for dapper, hardy, intrepid, ...
[20:04] <jkakar> Right.  All possible permutations of terribleness. ;)
[20:05] <thou> afaiks autoppa handles the hardy/intrepid mess
[20:05] <jkakar> thou: Your idea to generate the debian directory doesn't sound so bad now.
[20:05] <thou> but doesn't handle the pro/classic mess
[20:05] <jkakar> thou: Yep.
[20:07] <cprov> thou: the classic/pro mess could be handled in the debian/rules, as "a single source generating multiple debs", but it may get *too* complex for managing
[20:07] <jkakar> In which case AutoPPA templating system will work for you (though, yeah, it could get pretty hairy).
[20:07] <thou> cprov: yes, i can see that for rules (it could be any executable, after all) but how to handle the .files and so forth, which are text files?
[20:08] <thou> i can use wildcards, perhaps
[20:08] <thou> but that is kind of sketchy it seems
[20:09] <jkakar> I wonder how common this problem is.  I think it wouldn't be too hard to extend AutoPPA to handle "custom keys" that one could use to make the templating magic work more magically.
[20:09] <jkakar> But it feels a bit special-cased... which makes me wonder about supporting plugins for this kind of thing.
[20:09] <jkakar> Though, implementing a plugin is probably too much work for most people.
[20:10] <adrian15555> Hi. I had a problem on uploading a package named: fai to PPA. Unknown distribution: fai. More details here: http://www.gulic.org/pastebin/27    Can you please help me? Thank you.
[20:11] <cprov> adrian15555: it's a broken debian/changelog entry, use one of the ubuntu series (intrepid, jaunty, ...)
[20:12] <thou> ... e.g., the .files for our mysql-server* package may include some things in usr/bin (mysqld_safe, mysqladmin for example), and our client .deb includes other things (mysql, etc.).  I don't see how to handle that with wildcards, but also be able to leave out usr/bin/innochecksum if innodb isn't included
[20:14] <thou> jkakar: from a 30-minute glance at AutoPPA, my opinion (and remember I'm very new to this area) is that it's great for the normal (99%) case where you need to manage different debian versions automatically. I think that is what I would focus on.  It's really quite simple regarding what it does, and i see that as a positive thing.
[20:15] <thou> even for mysql, community packages only have a single flavor
[20:16] <thou> it's just our crazy sales/marketing (and some weird licensing issues) that make us have these different flavors that i'm worried about, and i think it's a very special case
[20:16] <jkakar> thou: Cool.  AutoPPA needs some love (to fix a variety of small issues), but it does work fairly well for that typical case, yeah.
[20:16] <jkakar> thou: Yeah.
[20:16] <jkakar> thou: it sounds like you could still use m4 (or whatever) to generate the packaging files and get benefit from AutoPPA for the build-for-every-release use case.
[20:17] <adrian15555> cprov, Do you mean that "fai (3.2.4+svn4837-0ubuntu2~ppa1) intrepid; urgency=low" is wrong?
[20:18] <thou> jkakar: yep, what i have to determine is ... do i want one more tool in my toolchain? does it buy me anything, when i'm already generating everything?
[20:18] <cprov> adrian15555: no, this one looks correct.
[20:18] <adrian15555> cprov, So what did you mean then?
[20:18] <thou> jkakar: at the very least, i'll steal some code from you :-)
[20:19] <jkakar> thou: Please do. :)
[20:19] <jkakar> thou: Also, patches welcome. :)
[20:19] <adrian15555> cprov, I can give you more details if you want to.
[20:20] <cprov> adrian15555: the upload path is the problem,  '~adrian15/ppa/fai/'
[20:20] <thou> jkakar: i certainly will, if i manage to get that far
[20:21] <cprov> adrian15555: if you are aiming you ppa named 'fai' it should be '~adrian/fai/' only
[20:21] <adrian15555> cprov, "Change the incoming entry to the path to the PPA you're working with" That's what I read at: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA How am I supposed to
[20:21] <adrian15555> cprov, ok.
[20:21] <adrian15555> cprov, This howto needs improvement then
[20:21] <adrian15555> cprov, I am going to try your suggestion. Thank you very much.
[20:36] <adrian15555> Whenever you upload a package to your PPA. If it gets accepted. How long are you supposed to wait until the Accept message? Thank you.
[20:40] <mwhudson> adrian15555: i think it's the next */20 in cron-speak
[20:40] <mwhudson> (though that might be something else)
[20:41] <cprov> adrian15555: the process runs */5, so if you are unlucky up to 10 min ;)
[20:44] <maxb> */20 is the publisher?
[20:45] <adrian15555> cprov, ok. I am going to upload two more packages and tomorrow I will check it
[20:46] <cprov> maxb: exactly
[20:49] <adrian15555> Thank you much everyone. Bye.
[20:50] <cprov> maxb: btw, I've just run queue-builder to create builds for the binary P-a-s lines, it's done.
[20:50] <cprov> maxb: let me know if there are other missing builds.
[20:52] <maxb> Looks good, I see the hppa builders just finishing up those builds :-)
[21:00] <cprov> maxb: very nice, -1 problem.
[21:16] <Tiefflieger> hi, anyone else having problems connecting to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games ?
[21:16] <beuno> Tiefflieger, yes, we're working on fixing it
[21:16] <beuno> well, cprov is  :)
[21:17] <Tiefflieger> ok, thanks :-)
[21:17] <cprov> Tiefflieger: the fix will be released very soon.
[21:18] <Tiefflieger> i just wanted to ask because it's been hours since it first occurs... and like the header of 'edge' says: 'please report all bugs' ;-)
[21:19] <beuno> Tiefflieger, sure, thanks for letting us know
[21:23] <Agafonov> Hi, I wish to know the status of launchpad bug I've submitted - https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/353950 - anyone cares?
[21:24] <beuno> Agafonov, of course we care!
[21:25] <beuno> Agafonov, we've just been busy rolling out a new version of Launchpad these past days
[21:25] <beuno> I've re-assigned it to the correct sub-project, and the right people will look at it early next week
[21:26] <Agafonov> I've noted some changes :)
[21:26] <Agafonov> beuno: how can I learn which sub-project?
[21:27] <beuno> Agafonov, well, anything to do with people/teams/projects is the "registry" sub-project
[21:27] <beuno> but it's hard to guess
[21:27] <beuno> which is why we ask people to file it against launchpad, and we re-jiggle them later on
[21:29] <Ursinha> beuno, catch me in midair, just opened that bug for triage :)
[21:29] <Ursinha> *caught
[21:31] <Agafonov> beuno: oh, already re-assigned, thanks.
[21:34] <beuno> Ursinha, :)
[21:38] <mdke> any rosetta developers around?
[21:39] <beuno> mdke, unlikely, but maybe danilos is
[21:39]  * mdke tickles danilos
[22:20] <BUGabundo> trying to make my 1st patch
[22:20] <BUGabundo> need help branching in LP https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/mobile-broadband-provider-info.ubuntu
[22:20] <BUGabundo> what do I need to do?
[22:20] <Snova> You're trying to create a branch?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:21] <beuno> BUGabundo, aren't the instructions right on the page?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> to fix a string and then request a merge
[22:21] <beuno> bzr branch lp:~network-manager/mobile-broadband-provider-info/mobile-broadband-provider-info.ubuntu
[22:21] <BUGabundo> from ubuntu archive version
[22:21] <Snova> bzr branch lp:~network-manager/...
[22:21] <BUGabundo> done that!
[22:21] <BUGabundo> but that just takes if offline, correct?
[22:21] <beuno> BUGabundo, that gets you the code
[22:21] <BUGabundo> not to my LP branch!
[22:21] <Snova> Modify it, the push it to your own branch: bzr push lp:~<username>/network-manager/<branch name>
[22:21] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[22:21] <beuno> BUGabundo, then you want to push the cahnges
[22:22] <beuno> changes
[22:22] <BUGabundo> so I need to push *everything*
[22:22] <beuno> have you committed them?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I thought I could just push the changes
[22:22] <BUGabundo> if LP branched everything internally
[22:22] <Snova> No, you have to commit them first: bzr commit -m "Description of change"
[22:22] <Snova> Then push to the new branch. How you request a merge, I don't know.
[22:23] <BUGabundo> local commit done
[22:23] <Snova> I know how to use Bzr reasonably well, but I don't get a lot of opportunities to learn other features...
[22:23] <BUGabundo> now to push it
[22:24] <Snova> Ok, then I believe the next step is to push it, and then request the merge (not sure where that is).
[22:24] <BUGabundo> what is the correct command?
[22:24] <Snova> bzr push lp:~<username>/network-manager/<branch name> # I think
[22:25] <BUGabundo> No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[22:25] <beuno> BUGabundo, ignore that for now
[22:26] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:26] <BUGabundo> [ 3589] 2009-04-03 22:25:48.100 INFO: Created new branch.
[22:26] <BUGabundo> Created new branch.
[22:26] <Snova> What does it mean? I've never seen it.
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[22:26] <BUGabundo> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/network-manager/bug353957
[22:26] <BUGabundo> but its there
[22:27] <BUGabundo> merge request done
[22:27] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[22:30] <BUGabundo> is this any good https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/network-manager/bug353957/+merge/5210 ?
[22:53] <mterry> I can't find the 'register a release' link anymore off the series page...  Am I being stupid?
[22:53] <beuno> mterry, no, I'm sorry about that
[22:53] <beuno> we changed something
[22:53] <beuno> we will fix it soon
[22:53] <beuno> in the meantime, register a milestone
[22:54] <mterry> beuno: Ah.  So right now I can't?
[22:54] <mterry> beuno: OK.  Will that have a side-effect of registering a release?
[22:54] <beuno> mterry, yes  :)
[22:54] <mterry> beuno: Sweet.  Thanks
[22:55] <beuno> welcome'
[22:55] <mterry> beuno: I see, I then 'Publish a release' from the milestone page?
[22:56] <beuno> mterry, yes
[23:18] <joshjtl> hi folks
[23:19] <joshjtl> trying to report a bug... need to know what info to attach to it
[23:20] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: this is not the place to ask
[23:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:20] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-bugs tends to be better
[23:20] <joshjtl> ok thx
[23:35] <MTecknology> joey: HEY!
[23:36] <BUGabundo> hey MTecknology.... no I remember from where I used to talk to you
[23:36] <MTecknology> joey: you made me report a bug.... bug 354823 - I was retargetting that the exact same time you were....
[23:36] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: oh?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> from #lp
[23:37] <MTecknology> oh
[23:37] <MTecknology> and where did we talk last?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> on +1
[23:39] <MTecknology> oh
[23:39] <MTecknology> I'm in a lot of channels, I don't bother remembering where I know somebody from, only who they are
[23:40] <BUGabundo> I also have bad memory
[23:42] <MTecknology> Work at 01:00 - so it's bed time before a long night
[23:47] <joey> MTecknology, lol