[07:59] <zippo^> Hello. Does someone know or Ubuntu has more "magnifier"applications for Ubuntu?
[15:53] <zippo^> is someone there?


[11:10] <free> wgrant: hey there, would you be available to review this fix https://code.launchpad.net/~free.ekanayaka/rabbitfixture/fix-buildout-and-unittests/+merge/296003 ? or is there somebody else I should better ping?
[12:00] <Facu> hello!
[12:00] <Facu> is there a way to know if a "team" is used anywhere? I have this one that is certainly too old, most probably not used anymore, and I just want to know if I can delete it... https://launchpad.net/~scope-reviewers
[12:00] <Facu> thanks!
[20:47] <Pwnna> for launchpad, if i downloaded a file and check the signature, but can't find the person on launchpad, what do i do/
[20:47] <Pwnna> specifically this project
[20:47] <Pwnna> https://launchpad.net/duplicity/+download
[20:48] <Pwnna> gpg: Signature made Tue Apr 19 11:39:15 2016 GMT using RSA key ID 96A9EA9C
[20:48] <Pwnna> gpg: Good signature from "Duplicity Test (no password<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:48] <Pwnna> searchign that name/email does not return anything on LP
[21:22] <dobey> what do you mean by that? you want to contact the person who owns the signature for some reason? send an e-mail to that address i guess


[21:00] <valorie> https://kde.org/hardware
[21:01] <valorie> I was the first one to ask zareason for Kubuntu and they've been offering it ever since!
[21:01] <valorie> \o/
[21:01] <valorie> the Focus looks very good there
 Yay!!!


[06:26] <dholbach> hola jono
[06:47] <jono> hey dholbach :-)
[08:00] <dpm> good morning all
[08:02] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:03] <dholbach> dpm, are you playing for "el gordo" today?
[08:04] <dpm> dholbach, :) no, I do not play lottery
[08:04] <dholbach> dpm, what? everybody in Spain plays
[08:05] <dpm> I'm on my way to sabotaging that, then :)
[08:05] <dholbach> ok, no surprise
[08:05] <dpm> :)
[08:19] <duanedesign> hello all
[10:09] <duanedesign> quiet this morning <.<  >.>
[10:09] <duanedesign> everyone must be hard at work :)
[10:22] <dpm> hey duanedesign, yeah, wrapping everything up before holidays :)
[10:31] <nisshh> duanedesign, im not, im just having such an awesome day :)
[10:35] <duanedesign> dpm: nice. Hope you have a nice  holiday.
[10:43] <dpm> thanks :)
[10:43] <dpm> you too!
[10:55] <jussi> hrm, can anyone tell me where to find info on getting stuff into the partner repo? and the repo where you can sell stuff? so far, I fail...
[11:39] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:39] <duanedesign> jussi: i have this in my bookmarks --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviews
[11:39]  * duanedesign waves at czajkowski
[11:40] <czajkowski> hey!
[11:43] <duanedesign> czajkowski: you at home yet (or where you were going)? /me seems to remember you were having traveling diffuculties
[11:45] <czajkowski> aye got home last night
[11:45] <czajkowski> 107.5 hours travelling
[11:45] <duanedesign> wow
[11:47] <duanedesign> doctormo: ping pt.2
[11:48]  * duanedesign needs to review the CoC screencast and see if any parts i should replace. Need to get that 'published'
[12:49] <duanedesign> dholbach: did you have some stuff that can start being made into screencasts?
[12:51] <dholbach> duanedesign, what do you think about the stuff in http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/?
[12:52] <duanedesign> im getting my 'how to sign CoC' screencast uploaded now
[12:56] <czajkowski> hmm empathy wont connect on my home connection
[12:57] <dholbach> duanedesign, sweet!
[13:07] <duanedesign> dholbach: lots of good stuff in 'Getting Set Up' that would make great screencasts.
[13:07] <dholbach> I'm glad you say that :)
[13:12] <vish> duanedesign: hi.. afaik, that appreviews is only for the extras ubuntu archive, but looks like jussi is looking for the canonical partner archive.. and there seems to be no documentation for that.. last i heard was 'ask mvo' was the closest ans we get for that archive ;)
[13:12] <jussi> vish: yeah, you are right.
[13:13] <jussi> I was hoping there was something on canonicals website, but finding not much atm
[13:14]  * jussi goes to see if mvo is active...
[13:15] <vish> jussi: yea, no one knows about that, kinda mystery there ;)   i forgot who was the last person who asked that... but once you have some info a wiki with the info would be nice ;)
[13:16] <vish> oh yea, the OMGGamer guys.. they wanted to get some game in there
[13:20] <nisshh> anyone know if its possible to install Ubuntu to an external hard drive and boot from it?
[13:21] <vish> nisshh: yup, it's possible. and you have to just modify the grub too
[13:21] <nisshh> vish, oh right, i figured it was similar to a pendrive install
[13:23] <nisshh> vish, are there any docs for doing it?
[13:27] <nisshh> vish, ?
[13:47] <vish> nisshh: yea, there are.. i'v seen them but i'd have to google for it too :)
[13:47] <nisshh> vish, ive been googling for the last 30 minutes, i cant find it :)
[13:48]  * vish joins in the google fun ;)
[13:48] <nisshh> heh
[13:50] <vish> nisshh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installing%20on%20external%20or%20RAID%20hard%20disks
[13:53] <vish> nisshh: thats the one with all other options , this is more specific to you i guess : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB  i havent tired it recently.. last time i did it was for a Xubuntu install nearly more than a yr ago..
[13:54] <nisshh> vish, so do a standard install the the external drive and then find and boot it with grub?
[13:55] <vish> nisshh: yea, you just need to edit the grub options too, to find the right disk..
[13:55] <nisshh> vish, right
[13:56] <nisshh> vish, the person im helping has vista on her PC, so she wont have access to a grub prompt, any ideas?
[13:57] <vish> nisshh: you can install grub on the main drive, it will add the windows option too
[13:58] <nisshh> vish, oh, ok, how do i do that though?
[13:58]  * vish googles again.. ;)
[13:58] <nisshh> lol
[13:58] <nisshh> vish, i could get her to dual boot vista and ubuntu?
[13:58] <vish> yup..
[13:59] <nisshh> and then she will have grub installed and can do it from there
[13:59] <vish> nisshh: one simpler thing would also be to edit the BIOS options..
[14:00] <vish> nisshh: there you can set the BIOS to detect the external drive first and if plugged in, it will boot Ubuntu
[14:00] <nisshh> vish, yeah, this person did that, but she got an "unrecognised drive" error when booting
[14:00] <vish> nisshh: if not it will boot vista.
[14:00] <vish> hrm..
[14:00] <nisshh> i know, i thought that would work too
[14:00] <nisshh> vish, it may have been that she didnt have grub installed on the external though
[14:01] <vish> nisshh: but the installer installs the grub too.. did you ask to install again.?  probably folks in #ubuntu would know more about this problem? might be more common
[14:02] <nisshh> vish, i dont think so, i think you have to choose to during partitioning or something
[14:02] <nisshh> vish, thanks for the help anyway, ill get her to try some things
[14:02] <vish> nisshh: nah, unless they choose something wrong, it should install grub..
[14:02] <vish> nisshh: np..
[14:03] <nisshh> yeah, thats what im thinking, but i think she did something funky with it
[14:04]  * duanedesign wonders if popey is around.
[14:05] <vish> nisshh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot/ExternalHardDisk?highlight=%28\bCategoryBootAndPartition\b%29  the closest i could find..
[14:06] <nisshh> thanks vish
[14:06]  * nisshh hugs vish
[14:07] <vish> :)
[15:58] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:59] <jcastro> I am ready!
[15:59] <dholbach> jono, mumble? skype?
[15:59] <jono> hey
[15:59]  * dholbach hugs jcastro, (absent) kim0, dpm, jono
[15:59] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro skype in 2m
[15:59] <jono> just finishing off a coffee
[15:59] <dpm> ok, logging in
[15:59]  * dholbach moves to a more quiet place... without family around
[16:00] <nisshh> wooo!
[16:00] <jcastro>  _   _                           _   _       _ _     _                 _
[16:00] <jcastro> | | | | __ _ _ __  _ __  _   _  | | | | ___ | (_) __| | __ _ _   _ ___| |
[16:00] <jcastro> | |_| |/ _` | '_ \| '_ \| | | | | |_| |/ _ \| | |/ _` |/ _` | | | / __| |
[16:00] <jcastro> |  _  | (_| | |_) | |_) | |_| | |  _  | (_) | | | (_| | (_| | |_| \__ \_|
[16:00] <jcastro> |_| |_|\__,_| .__/| .__/ \__, | |_| |_|\___/|_|_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, |___(_)
[16:00] <jcastro>             |_|   |_|    |___/                               |___/
[16:00]  * jcastro runs from the IRC police
[16:00] <dholbach> :-D
[16:01] <nisshh> finally have an Ubuntu user who lives in the same state as me!
[16:01] <dholbach> jussi, OVER THERE! A PINK ELEPHANT!
[16:01] <nisshh> thats two Ubuntu users!
[16:01] <nisshh> lol
[16:01] <nhandler> ;)
[16:01] <nisshh> hehe
[16:01] <nhandler> That is better
[16:02] <dpm> dholbach_, jcastro, can you guys see me on skype? It seems I'm logged it, but the login thingy keeps spinning
[16:03] <dholbach_> dpm, same here
[16:03] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro alright, let's roll
[16:03] <jcastro> me too
[16:03] <dholbach> jono, ^
[16:03]  * jono waits for Skype to log in
[16:04] <dholbach> serious skype screwage
[16:04] <jcastro> ah there it goes
[16:04] <dholbach> seems it doesn't work for anyone of us
[16:04] <jcastro> took like 45 seconds
[16:04] <jono> strange
[16:04] <jono> let's try mumble
[16:05] <dholbach> logged in!
[16:05] <dholbach> (mumble :-P)
[16:05] <dpm> no luck here yet :(
[16:05] <jcastro> one sec, I need to move my mic/speakers
[16:05] <dpm> I'll restart it
[16:07] <dpm> login thing still spinning...
[16:07] <dholbach> dpm, for mumble?
[16:07] <jono> dpm, we are n mumble
[16:07] <jcastro> dpm: we're trying mumble now
[16:07] <jcastro> jono: I can't hear you
[16:07] <dholbach> jcastro, can you hear us?
[16:07] <dholbach> hrmpf
[16:08] <jussi> dpm: got a sec?
[16:09] <dpm> jussi, sure, but after our team call ^
[16:10] <jussi> dpm: see PM :)
[16:10] <jussi> (answer at will)
[16:27] <jcastro> <--- LUNCH TIME FOR ME.
[16:27] <jcastro> high five everyone
[16:27] <jcastro> according to the internet Skype was down worldwide for 10-15 minutes
[16:27] <jcastro> see what we caused?
[16:27] <jono> jcastro, I blame Holbach
[16:32] <dpm> or in case of doubt, blame the manager
[16:33] <jono> dpm, always :)
[16:34]  * dpm hugs jono to make sure not to get fired
[17:04] <dholbach> ok my friends - I'm going to call it a day
[17:04] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:25] <hggdh> jcastro: I *think* eeeBotu is now sane. Please ping me if it goes berserk again
[17:34] <matti> ;]
[18:00] <jcastro> hggdh: heh ok, thanks
[18:03] <doctormo> I'm starting to wonder if the cal command was broken in Lucid, it's doing odd things now.
[18:03] <doctormo> and I have no idea where a bug report might be put.
[18:09] <hggdh> doctormo: bsdmainutils
[18:09] <doctormo> thanks hggdh
[18:09] <hggdh> yw
[18:11] <doctormo> I don't suppose anyone is using Jaunty and can do a quick test for me?
[18:15] <doctormo> Oh dear I'm going through some of the existing bugs reported and they're all still there, cal and ncal should probably be removed as they're broken in very scary ways.
[18:17] <czajkowski> jono: sorry missed call yesterday was travelling and completely forgot to let you know.
[18:17] <jcastro> czajkowski: it's ok we vouched for you
[18:18] <jcastro> "she is in travel hell."
[18:18] <jcastro> "she is in a tardis"
[18:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: thank you
[18:18]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro
[18:18] <jcastro> "I believe she is in another space-time continuum"
[18:19] <jono> czajkowski, no worries!
[18:19] <czajkowski> *grin* it definately felt like it
[18:19] <czajkowski> 107.5hrs door to door.
[18:19] <czajkowski> some of my mates are still stuck in UK
[18:19] <czajkowski> house mate is stuck in cuba
[18:21] <jcastro> "sorry I was late to the call, I was taking the ring to Mordor."
[18:22] <czajkowski> I'd have been warmer there.
[18:22] <czajkowski> spent the entire day today catching up on sleep
[18:22] <czajkowski> feel alot more human
[18:22] <czajkowski> I did get re approval mails out when stuck at the airport :)
[18:25]  * czajkowski stabs planet ubuntu
[19:05] <jcastro> I see jono's buddy sebsebseb is back
[19:07] <czajkowski> that name rings a bell
[19:08] <jcastro> he's the guy that spends 90% of the time flaming Ubuntu except when we have IRC events and chats, then he hogs all the questions
[19:09] <jcastro> then if you don't answer his question right away he starts throwing a temper tantrum
[19:09] <jcastro> I generally blamepopey for all of this
[19:10] <jcastro> http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/12/skype_downtime_today.html?cm_mmc=PXTW|0700_B6-_-downtime-20101222
[19:10] <vish> jcastro: what event are we having now? .. the funny part is, he doesnt use Ubuntu even ;p
[19:10] <jcastro> vish: I'm watching jono on ustream
[19:11] <vish> ah!
[19:15] <nisshh> jcastro, i stopped watching jono's ustream, too many silly questions being asked
[19:16] <nisshh> havent any of these people heard of google?
[19:20] <doctormo> or ask ubuntu
[19:20] <nisshh> doctormo, oh that, yes :)
[19:20] <jcastro> well, I'm glad he's doing it so we don't have to
[19:20] <jcastro> heh
[19:20] <nisshh> jcastro, oh man, thats a low blow :)
[19:21] <jcastro> heh
[19:21] <nisshh> some of them were even asked last time
[19:21] <jcastro> what I don't get is where people come up with some of these questions
[19:21] <nisshh> how sad is that?
[19:21] <jcastro> it's like "I heard from somewhere that Unity is made of unicorns, is that true?"
[19:21] <nisshh> yeah
[19:22] <nisshh> jcastro, its the news blogs/social media rumors
[19:22] <nisshh> blame them
[19:22] <jcastro> yeah but some of them are just so out there ...
[19:22] <nisshh> they give newbies a mindset about stuff
[19:22] <nisshh> jcastro, give an example?
[19:23] <jcastro> nisshh: a bunch of these
[19:23] <nisshh> yeah
[19:23] <czajkowski> I find some of the questions are not really ubuntu realted and not really community questions, but I still think it gives an outlet to some people to get an answer they normally wouldnt get elsewhere
[19:23] <jcastro> ^^^ true dat
[19:24] <nisshh> czajkowski, +1
[19:24] <czajkowski> and jono is good at it and able to field the questions well
[19:24] <jcastro> ah, a humble bundle question, finally, something good!
[19:24] <vish> heh, i tuned in one episode and someone asked how jono was hung! :/  jono did give back a good reply/whacking but didnt look back since then ;p
[19:24] <nisshh> well, he has had the practice :)
[19:24] <czajkowski> vish: trolls everywhere more on irc
[19:25] <vish>  kinda stupid to ask such redundant questions.. even for a troll. ;)
[19:26] <czajkowski> means diddly squat to a troll vish
[19:28] <nisshh> hehe
[19:28] <nisshh> vish, 80% of the questions being asked there are redundant, its rediculous
[19:29] <vish> hehe, i had been to the recording of the Late Show and before the show they mention a bunch of rules how be react during recording and in the end the guy says : "but there is always this one guy"
[19:29] <vish> s/how be/how to*
[19:30] <nisshh> vish, hehe, there is always "this one guy" :)
[19:30] <vish> yea.. it's just like that, there is just one guy to ruin it all.. since until that moment the show was nice and all, and he kept on persisting..
[19:31] <nisshh> vish, youve lost me now, im not watching the ustream, so i dont know whats happening :)
[19:31] <czajkowski> nisshh: vish yer missing the point, these people do have questions, and jono is answering them, that will help in the long run.
[19:32] <vish> czajkowski ,  nisshh: nah, not mentioning about today's show.. just recalling the last show i watched.. :)
[19:32] <nisshh> czajkowski, true, it will, but 80% of those same questions will be asked next time, when a simple google search is needed
[19:32] <nisshh> vish, ah ok
[19:32] <czajkowski> nisshh: people want to hear someone tell them, it's liek going to a shop and buying a book, someone people like the interaction rather then buying the same book online
[19:34] <nisshh> czajkowski, yeah
[19:34] <doctormo> I did bat a question at the humble bundle guys about getting all the games into the software center.
[19:34] <doctormo> I can't believe we don't even have the first games which were open sourced in there.
[19:35] <jcastro> I find jono's ability to pronounce czajkowski properly impressive
[19:35] <vish> lol!!
[19:35] <jcastro> I butcher it regularly
[19:35] <czajkowski> jcastro: years of practice :)
[19:35] <czajkowski> I first met jono back in 2007
[19:36] <vish> for some odd reason it reminds me of "swarovski"
[19:36] <czajkowski> Chi Kov Ski :)
[19:37] <doctormo> Just think: tea mint holiday
[19:38] <doctormo> or is it chi as in Ché
[19:39] <czajkowski> jcastro: got the link to the ARM machine that ogra showed at uds
[19:51] <popey> toshiba ac100 czajkowski
[19:51] <popey> speaking of pronunciations.. http://www.businessinsider.com/motorolas-android-tablet-name-xoom-2010-12
[19:51] <czajkowski> popey: danke
[19:51] <popey> "We have to say, "Xoom" doesn't really grab us. We have no idea how to pronounce it.
[19:52] <popey> Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/motorolas-android-tablet-name-xoom-2010-12?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29&utm_content=Google+Reader#ixzz18s7x8UFz"
[19:52] <popey> oops
[19:52] <popey> thats annoying
[19:52] <popey> how can the guy not know how to pronounce 'xoom'
[19:53] <czajkowski> right movie in bed time
[19:53] <czajkowski> nn folks
[20:43] <jussi> Is anyone here on diaspora?
[20:43] <nisshh> jussi, yeah :)
[20:43] <jussi> nisshh: jussi01 ;)
[20:43]  * nisshh searches and adds
[20:44] <jussi> nisshh: you can put me into the "those people who I would normally block" aspect :P
[20:44] <nisshh> haha
[20:44] <nisshh> jussi, no, your in the "why? just why?" aspect :)
[20:44] <jussi> hehe
[20:45] <nisshh> jussi, added
[20:45] <jussi> nisshh: also, could you confirm notifications never go away ? I assume its a bug...
[20:45] <nisshh> jussi, yeah, i posted feedback to them about that
[20:45] <jussi> excellent
[20:46] <nisshh> they replied really fast
[20:46] <nisshh> apparently its just really clunky still
[20:46] <jussi> anyone else here with diaspora is more than welcome to add me
[20:46] <nisshh> but if you click the notification icon next to search
[20:46] <nisshh> and then click each grey notification
[20:46] <nisshh> they are marked as 'read'
[20:47] <jussi> aaahhh
[20:47] <nisshh> so i submitted an 'idea' to them about making it nicer to mark notifications as 'read' :)
[20:47] <nisshh> like a button or something
[20:48] <nisshh> jussi, just curious, what aspects do you have?
[20:48] <jussi> family, ubuntu and work... so far
[20:48] <nisshh> ah ok
[20:49] <nisshh> i just have LoCo and IRC on there :)
[20:52] <nisshh> jussi, also, apparently a 'pm this user' feature is also in the works, which is good
[20:55] <jussi> ahh, nice
[20:56] <nisshh> jussi, in the 'ideas' pool for diaspora, 90% of the ideas are "make this more like facebook" :)
[20:57] <jussi> hah
[20:57] <nisshh> i just went *facepalm* :)
[20:57] <czajkowski> so just use facebook
[20:57] <czajkowski> simple
[20:57] <czajkowski> :)
[20:57] <nisshh> czajkowski, thats exactly what i thought :)
[20:57] <nisshh> silly people can just go back to facebook
[20:58] <jussi> well I disagree - wht lots of people want is facebook, but with the privacy stuff.
[20:58] <czajkowski> nisshh: never call people silly for wanting stuff done a certain way.  Otherwise lotta open source folks could be put in that category. Good to have choice
[20:58] <czajkowski> jussi: you disagree.......... never surely not
[20:58] <nisshh> czajkowski, heh, very true :)
[20:58] <jussi> czajkowski: watch it...
[20:59] <jussi> :D
[21:00] <nisshh> man my body clock is screwed, its 5am and it feels like 4pm :)
[21:00] <jussi> haha... go to take a nap then... :D
[21:01] <nisshh> jussi, yeah, im just doing a few little things then im down for 12 hours :)
[21:01] <nisshh> been awake for two days now :)
[21:02] <jussi> nisshh: go....
[21:02] <nisshh> jussi, hehe :)
[21:05] <czajkowski> why dont folks believe me when I say wolverhampton is nice
[21:05] <czajkowski> bah no jfo again
[21:12] <jcastro> I know, I miss him too
[21:18] <jcastro> jono: "3D support: fixed Unity/Compiz crashes on natty"
[21:18] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XjIkdUQns&feature=channel funky
[21:18] <jcastro> looks like Virtualbox 4.0 can run Unity
[21:18] <jcastro> just came out today
[21:18] <jcastro> I cannot confirm though
[21:19] <jono> jcastro, it's fixed?
[21:19] <jcastro> someone is claiming it runs great
[21:19] <jcastro> but this just came out like right now
[21:22] <czajkowski> Have to say I love community folks at times. Just replying to all the offers I got of places to stay for xmas or be collected from airports or other areas I could get to so they could drive me to ferry. most of the people I'd never met before.
[21:24] <jcastro> I never get a chance, no one comes to Detroit
[21:25] <czajkowski> oh next time I go to canada I'll go via Detroit so I can avoid O'Hare !
[21:25] <czajkowski> evil airport
[21:27] <nhandler> jcastro: Come by Chicago ;)
[21:27] <pleia2> jcastro: you can have some of mine, I live next to the biggest convention center in san francisco, my home sometimes is a bit of a flop house :)
[21:27] <jcastro> heh
[21:28] <czajkowski> pleia2: does that mean my invite is in the water eh !:)
[21:28] <pleia2> czajkowski: you are always welcome! assuming you can deal with the cat situation :)
[21:29] <nisshh> oh yeah, pleia2 the Crazy Cat Lady :)
[21:29] <pleia2> I only have 2!
[21:29] <czajkowski> *grin*
[21:29] <jcastro> that's how it starts!
[21:29] <nisshh> more than one makes you the Crazy Cat Lady :)
[21:30] <nisshh> jcastro, exactly :)
[21:30] <nhandler> nisshh: That makes my gf a crazy cat lady ;)
[21:31] <nisshh> nhandler, hehe, dont let her hear you say that :)
[21:31]  * AlanBell wonders what three chickens means
[21:32] <nhandler> AlanBell: It means you are all set for a good dinner ;)
[21:35] <Pendulum> AlanBell: it means you had a lot of extra kubuntu CDs lying around
[22:25] <czajkowski> JFo-vacation: whoo
[22:26] <JFo-vacation> woo woo!
[22:27] <czajkowski> JFo-vacation: your presence was missed
[22:35] <JFo-vacation> so I see
[22:35] <JFo-vacation> the crickets were lonely :)
[22:35] <czajkowski> well there was noise a while ago
[22:35] <czajkowski> then I got amused on twitter and listening to @uupc
[22:39] <czajkowski> well more the banter between sil tony and Pendulum
[22:39] <JFo-vacation> ah
[22:40] <JFo-vacation> I've been working on my pig sty of a house
[22:40] <czajkowski> popey: great show
[22:40] <czajkowski> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/12/22/s03e23-departure-of-a-grand-old-man/
[22:40] <czajkowski> likeing the xmas story
[22:41]  * daker is listening to Jesse Cook - Dance of Spring
[22:50] <czajkowski> JFo-vacation: so what you up to?
[22:51] <JFo-vacation> taking a break for now from trying to clean my house up
[22:51] <JFo-vacation> place is a mess
[22:52] <czajkowski> one of them jobs people put off but needs to be done
[22:52] <JFo-vacation> yeah
[22:52] <JFo-vacation> and I put it off too long
[22:52] <JFo-vacation> I buy tons of stuff and never throw out the boxes
[22:52] <JFo-vacation> so I have stuff piled up
[22:53] <czajkowski> you a horder :p
[22:53] <JanC> \o/ we get a 2 table booth at FOSDEM
[22:53] <JFo-vacation> no, just a failure on my part to throw away packaging
[22:53] <JFo-vacation> so the boxes and wrapping piles up for a bit before I throw it out
[22:57] <czajkowski> JanC: excellent
[22:57] <czajkowski> we were a bit squashed last year if I can help again let me know
[22:58] <czajkowski> JFo-vacation: all set for xmas?
[22:58] <JFo-vacation> not really
[22:58] <JFo-vacation> :)
[23:00] <czajkowski> tl
[23:00] <czajkowski> tl l
[23:01] <czajkowski> tomorrow is shopping day!


[00:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ping :)
[00:27] <krytarik> Watcha need!? :D
[00:31] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I did it again = inadvertently wiped out Gdoc - my decrepit system will not load the version/history - can you restore Gdoc for me ?
[00:33] <krytarik> Yeah, one moment.
[00:43] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Done!
[00:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Great - thanks - I go back to work now :P
[00:48] <guiverc> :)  Bashing-om  ... gdoc is one place where our really old boxes don't help us much..
[00:54] <guiverc> Bashing-om, just saw this in #debian-publicity (or email or somewhere); https://blog.bazel.build/2021/03/04/bazel-debian-packaging.html   primarily focused on Debian naturally; but it mentions Ubuntu
[00:54] <guiverc> was on debian(-publicity) ML
[00:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I look at the ups soomest - lemme get what I have now updated onto Gdoc - may take a spell yet .
[00:59] <guiverc> not an issue...  https://launchpad.net/~bazel-team but the press release was geared for debian (not us; even mentions 21.04's release date in it)
[01:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Soon as Gdoc is updated - next is to look at the mailing lists and see what there is to add to Gdoc :P
[01:02] <guiverc> :)
[01:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - I agree that bazel-team should be included . How about in the "In Other News" section ?
[01:28] <guiverc> Yep... I'd given it no thought; it hit me b/c of debian; and thought it may apply here too but no further
[01:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do like that we publiszize that open source cares :D
[01:33] <guiverc> :)
[01:35] <Bashing-om> Gdoc up-2-date - thanks to krytarik :P
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[00:42] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> I am currently literally going through each individual mode of BSOD making sure the fonts still work right. This is the most hilarious software testing I have ever done :P
[01:27]  * guiverc does really like BSOD, except for the using of $HOSTNAME that can give me mini-heart-attacks if it's a GNU/Linux when I return to my box...
[01:27] <arraybolt3> lol that's happened to me more than once :P
[01:50] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Simon Quigley: I'm in a slight pickle - how do I create a new binary file from within the Debian packaging? I can repack to remove one of the offending fonts from XScreenSaver, but to replace it with a new one, I don't know how to do. Quilt appears to break if you try to use it on binary files.
[01:50] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Technically I probably *could* create a shell script with the file in question Base64-encoded, and have the script generate the file at build time, but that's extremely hacky and I suspect there's a better way to do it.
[01:51] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> I think new files can be introduced in a repack also, but then i think I'd need to make a whole repack shell script, which again feels hacky.
[02:03] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I *think* that requires a manual repack... jeez :/
[02:04] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: At this point, despite your best efforts I'd ask the Debian Maintainer before doing a full repack in Debian... in Ubuntu it's different heh
[02:04] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> I apologize :/
[02:04] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> I even had to convert the free OCRA font from TTF to OTF. This may be one of the more in-depth fixes.
[02:04] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Except for the maintainer appears to have vanished...  I don't have a whole lot of hope that we'll find him.
[02:06] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Hmm, I see him in Launchpad in July 2022.
[02:07] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> And again in September. OK, he might not be so unreachable then.
[02:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Found him most recently here: https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive/ubuntu/m6809
[02:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Ah, and now I've found him on GitLab's main website just a few hours ago!
[02:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> https://gitlab.com/tormod
[02:12] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> And I have an email for him specifically for Debian packaging.
[02:14] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> There you go :) ask him if you can fix his RC bug lol
[05:38] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Alright, I think everything's done. I'm doing a final build and test, we'll see how it works.
[05:38] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> (At least it's trying to build after the brain surgery I just did on it :P
[05:38] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> )
[05:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> And it builds! Testing time \o/
[06:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Alright, looks like it works! All BSOD screensavers are functioning right.
[06:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Guess I'll push this to my Salsa fork and ask for review.
[06:30] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Simon Quigley: https://salsa.debian.org/ArrayBolt3/xscreensaver/-/commits/arraybolt3/fontfix Ready for review.
[06:32] <arraybolt3> I'll let you know when and if we get permission.
[15:02] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looks like we got permission. ;)
[18:10] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> K, reading through and looking.
[18:32] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Simon Quigley: Is it even possible for me to be a comaintainer of xscreensaver, or would you be the comaintainer and then I'd just help you do that?
[20:09] <tsimonq2> @arraybolt3: Co-maintainer = Uploader
[20:10] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> kk, I thought it was like commit access to the repo. So I can't do that.
[20:10] <tsimonq2> Nonono, not upload rights
[20:10] <tsimonq2> Literally just your name in Uploaders :P
[20:10] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Oh. So I can do that?
[20:11] <tsimonq2> Yes :)
[20:11]  * lubot_ [matrix] <arraybolt3> may not know how this works...
[20:11] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> \o/
[20:20] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (kinetic-proposed/universe) [22.10.4 => 22.10.5] (lubuntu)
[20:21] <arraybolt3> XScreenSaver fix for Lubuntu only in Kinetic uploaded and awaiting approval.
[20:22] <tsimonq2> Now for you to get your key signed so you can upload to it in Debian :P
[20:22] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> lol, well this particular fix is just the Lubuntu configuration file, the fix for everything other than Lubuntu is a bit different.
[20:23] <tsimonq2> Delay in the message sending lol
[20:23] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Oh lol
[20:44] <arraybolt3> Heh. Every item in our "In Progress" list is awaiting something else to finish, so... woot! We have almost everything under control!
[20:44] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> I'm working on another lubuntu-update-notifier update at the moment
[20:45] <arraybolt3> @tsimonq2: I have an SRU pending on that in Focal currently.
[20:45] <arraybolt3> What's happening?
[20:45] <arraybolt3> (I guess I could tackle how to make it so that we can get rid of KDE System Settings...)
[20:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> How were we going to do that again? :)
[20:46] <arraybolt3> I think our last idea was figure out how to hide the Update Settings button in Discover so that we can just omit systemsettings entirely.
[20:47] <arraybolt3> Either that or else figure out how to get LXQt to honor the NotShowIn .desktop setting.
[20:47]  * arraybolt3 zsyncs
[20:48] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> I'm actually working on a PyQt6 port right now :)
[20:48] <arraybolt3> Oh nice!
[20:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Update Settings... you'll have to refresh me heh
[20:50] <arraybolt3> I'll find the button in a bit. Basically, there's some Update Settings button in Discover in an obscure place people will probably never find that relies on KDE System Settings being present - if you remove systemsettings, the button does nothing, which we considered to be a regression, so we left systemsettings.
[20:50] <arraybolt3> But the button isn't always visible (I noticed that Kubuntu had it hidden) so obviously there's some way to make it go away, and if the button isn't there, then it's no regression for it to not work :D
[20:54] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/50db136f/Screenshot_from_2023_01_24_14_53_22.png
[20:54] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Behold, the problem button.
[20:54] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Oh, I see
[20:54] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Probably needs a conditional... "if no Plasma settings, no show button"
[20:54] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> likely just a few lines
[20:55] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Kubuntu has it hidden entirely (at least on the Kubuntu Focus Suite), so there's someway to make that button just go away.
[20:55] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Maybe the KFocus people patched it though.
[20:55] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: ^^^^^^
[20:56] <lubot_> [matrix] <eickmeyer> TL;DR me?
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: How did you guys get that Configure Updates button above to go away?
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <eickmeyer> Never did.
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Or was it just always not there and there's something weird with Lubuntu?
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <eickmeyer> Yup.
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> ...ok I'll do some more digging.
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Maybe this is something new in Discover in Kinetic, because I'm now remembering Kubuntu on KFocus was 22.04, not 22.10.
[20:57] <lubot_> [matrix] <eickmeyer> We never touched Discover.
[20:58]  * lubot_ [matrix] <arraybolt3> spins up another VM
[20:58] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Checking Kubuntu Kinetic to see what's up there.
[20:59] <lubot_> [matrix] <eickmeyer> I'm not on the team anymore (furlough/layoff), but I'd still know if there was a config there, and there isn't.
[21:00] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that button *is* in Discover in Kinetic.
[21:00] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Tar.
[21:01] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> And it does indeed just stop working once you remove kde-config-updates and systemsettings. So... let's see what the logs tell me to see if I can find where an option can be set.
[21:05] <arraybolt3> OK, I've found the QML file at "fault"... but here's the thing, do we want to submit the patch to fix this upstream, or do we want to just patch it here?
[21:06] <arraybolt3> (And actually there's two QML files at "fault", but at least I've found where it is, and it sadly is baked right into the code.)
[21:29] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> And I'm not finding any separate qml files, so I'm assuming that they're baked all the way into the binary itself. :-/
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Where is the settings binary actually called?
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Also bad arraybolt3 :P
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> you forgot to tag lubuntu-default-settings
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> I will fix
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> but bad arraybolt3 :P
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> I think that's because it's not accepted into the archive yet :)
[21:39]  * lubot_ [matrix] <arraybolt3> checks
[21:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Lunar
[21:40] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Also, you skipped 23.04.3 ;)
[21:40] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Oh tar.
[21:40] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> (Cosmetic. No big deal.  I thought that was acceptable for some reason.
[21:41] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> It got uploaded at the same time as 23.04.4... though I probably should have used a debuild option that RAOF taught me later on.
[21:42] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> FWIW, you and Dan both have an untagged upload in Kinetic ;-)
[21:42] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> But yeah, we should get those fixed.
[21:42] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> No worries :D
[21:42] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> discover/qml/Feedback.qml in the source code
[21:42] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Also discover/qml/SourcesPage.qml
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Dawns on me that this might be helpful:
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> ```
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>     readonly property list<QtObject> actions: [
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>         Kirigami.Action {
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             text: i18n("Submit usage information")
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             tooltip: i18n("Sends anonymized usage information to KDE so we can better understand our users. For more information see https://kde.org/privacypolicy-apps.php.")
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             displayHint: Kirigami.DisplayHint.AlwaysHide
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             onTriggered: {
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>                 provider.submit()
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>                 showPassiveNotification(i18n("Submitting usage information…"), "short", i18n("Configure"), provider.encouraged)
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             }
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>         },
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>         Kirigami.Action {
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             text: i18n("Configure feedback…")
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             displayHint: Kirigami.DisplayHint.AlwaysHide
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             onTriggered: {
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>                 provider.encouraged()
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             }
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>         },
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>         Kirigami.Action {
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             text: i18n("Configure Updates…")
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             displayHint: Kirigami.DisplayHint.AlwaysHide
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             onTriggered: {
[22:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>                 KQCA.KCMShell.openSystemSettings("kcm_updates");
[22:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>             }
[22:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>         }
[22:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3>     ]
[22:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> ```
[22:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> From the Feedback.qml file.
[22:09] <guiverc> arraybolt3, :(
[22:09] <arraybolt3> Oh no. I forgot you can't do that. Sorry.
[22:09] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: What actually calls those QML files?
[22:10] <arraybolt3> @tsimonq2: Lemme find out.
[22:10] <arraybolt3> Also, I'm going to leave this room in Matrix so I stop accidentally flooding the chat and just stick to IRC until the bot gets sorted out.
[22:10] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> BTW, if you're subscribed to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>you may see me uploading like a madman :P
[22:10] <arraybolt3> Heh
[22:12] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I think it's discover/qml/DiscoverWindow.qml.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'm sending lubuntu-default-settings with your changes to Backports. Want a testing window or nah?
[22:13] <arraybolt3> I mean I already tested it so I say full steam ahead :)
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Cool :)
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Note: any work related to Qt 6 porting should NOT go to Backports
[22:13] <tsimonq2> that's still fairly experimental
[22:14] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: https://dpaste.com/F9YFS8WC2 <-- Where Feedback.qml is called
[22:14] <arraybolt3> I could paste the whole file if that's helpful.
[22:16] <arraybolt3> So... here's the problem, I don't know QML well enough to know how to tell it to only show the Kirigami action that displays the Configure Updates button if kcm_updates is available.
[22:17] <arraybolt3> In fact I don't even know it well enough to know if what I just said even makes sense.
[22:19] <tsimonq2> (TBH, in hindsight, backporting settings isn't the move)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looking
[22:20] <arraybolt3> The main worry I have here is, with kde-config-updates present, Lubuntu is currently kind of like LKubuntu - there's KDE-specific features that may interfere with Lubuntu-specific features present. If a user actually finds and uses that button, they could cause their whole system to do weird things. So IMO, figuring out how to hide KDE System Settings isn't the way. Getting Discover to live
[22:20] <arraybolt3> without kde-config-updates is.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> Or maybe we just chuck Discover entirely and say "We can't make this non-dangerous without causing a regression, therefore this is no longer our app store - it's too KDE-specific now."
[22:21] <arraybolt3> In which case the question is, what alternative to use? GNOME Software fits very poorly and works horribly.
[22:21] <RikMills> arraybolt3: why is discover dangerous?
[22:22] <tsimonq2> I knew you'd come by ;)
[22:22] <arraybolt3> RikMills: I'm worried about the "Offline Updates" and "Automatic Updates" features that can be enabled via kde-config-updates possibly conflicting with lubuntu-update-notifier.
[22:22] <arraybolt3> I don't think we want KDE trying to automatically update the system while the user's trying to manually update it.
[22:22] <RikMills> don't installkde-config-updates then
[22:23] <arraybolt3> Which breaks a button in Discover, which is a regression.
[22:23] <RikMills> add space there ish ^
[22:23] <arraybolt3> (Personally, I say the "regression" in question is worth it, but I don't think we can do that.)
[22:23] <RikMills> a button that does nothing is "dangerous"?
[22:24] <RikMills> peroanlly I find buttons that do things more so ;)
[22:24] <tsimonq2> I mean, you're not exactly wrong :P
[22:24] <RikMills> you could always as the president of the KDE e.V. about the code
[22:25] <RikMills> he is the main dev
[22:25] <arraybolt3> Exactly. I want to just say get rid of it, but Ubuntu in general *hates* all regressions. Then again the KDE System Settings thing in Lubuntu looks badly out of place and somewhat bare.
[22:25] <arraybolt3> RikMills: I mean, doesn't he have more important things to do?
[22:25] <arraybolt3> The feature works just as intended in KDE land, the fact that we're MacGyver'ing Discover into Lubuntu is a bit of a hack that was never intended to be done but uesd to work.
[22:26] <RikMills> he has always been very good at responding to my stupid questions
[22:27] <tsimonq2> I would never usually agree with pinging the president of KDE but I did meet him at the Ubuntu Summit
[22:27] <tsimonq2> I asked him about QTerminal text resizing and he told me "use Konsole" :P
[22:27] <arraybolt3> Heh :)
[22:28] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I think we can blacklist this package from the seed
[22:28] <RikMills> he might be more keen if it means his baby stays in one more distro/flavour
[22:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Wanna do the honors of seed mangling or would you like to let me do it in 0.000001 seconds? :P
[22:28] <arraybolt3> Valid point. And I really like Discover, it's leaps and bounds better than GNOME Software and works pretty well IME.
[22:29] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:29] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I can do it :)
[22:29] <tsimonq2> cool :)
[22:29] <RikMills> anyway, if I can changes recommends and seeds in kubuntu to help, shout
[22:29] <tsimonq2> !kde-config-updates right below (plasma-discover) I think
[22:29] <tsimonq2> bah
[22:29] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:29] <arraybolt3> !cookie
[22:30]  * tsimonq2 continues Qt 6 porting for now
[22:32] <arraybolt3> Seed mangled, proceeding with updating the desktop file.
[22:32] <arraybolt3> Er... metapackage.
[22:32] <arraybolt3> (Wow that was a wrong term.)
[22:33] <arraybolt3> Oh. No. I'm on Kinetic.
[22:33] <arraybolt3> ...
[22:33] <arraybolt3> Meh, let's do this chaos-mode.
[22:34]  * arraybolt3 installs debootstrap from Lunar onto Kinetic
[22:34] <tsimonq2> lxc launch --ephemeral ubuntu-daily:devel
[22:34]  * arraybolt3 has very little clue how to use lxc
[22:34] <arraybolt3> Will have to learn that.
[22:34] <tsimonq2> uh did you know the debootstrap version in Lunar literally creates a symlink ;)
[22:35] <tsimonq2> (I know... I did it :P)
[22:35] <arraybolt3> I will go ahead and install LXD real quick.
[22:35] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I think you told me that once.
[22:35] <tsimonq2> sudo snap install lxd && sudo lxd init && sudo lxd list
[22:35] <arraybolt3> But the update script is all gripey about version numbers and such.
[22:35] <RikMills> it can be fooled
[22:36]  * tsimonq2 sometimes wonders how Rik fools some of the scripts...
[22:36] <arraybolt3> Hmm... this will make me always have to manually update debootstrap, let's just crash-course into LXD and see how it goes. I have the data.
[22:37] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> Really? Uff can't believe I missed that. Sorry.
[22:38] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I'm all but blindly running that --ephemeral command right now XD
[22:40] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: What does the --ephemeral switch do anyway? I know what "ephemeral" means but don't know what an ephemeral instance is going to behave like.
[22:41] <arraybolt3> The help is lacking, and Google is being unhelpful :P
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Ah, finally, found it.
[22:44] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: And... my container has no network access :-/
[22:45] <arraybolt3> Ah, now it's working for no reason.
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> By default lxc containers are nat
[22:51]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk for a sec, brb
[23:00] <arraybolt3> Back.
[23:02] <arraybolt3> YES I can share the home dir.
[23:02] <arraybolt3> Alrighty! Wow, this is going to make things easier I bet.
[23:04] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I'm long overdue learning lxd, thanks for getting me to finally take the plunge :)
[23:05] <tsimonq2> No worries :D
[23:05] <tsimonq2> Figuring it all out?
[23:05] <tsimonq2> also btw you can also do
[23:05] <tsimonq2> images:debian/sid instead of ubuntu-daily:devel
[23:05] <arraybolt3> Yep. Got a persistent Lunar container and my home dir mounted.
[23:05] <tsimonq2> or even ubuntu:22.04 :)
[23:05] <arraybolt3> Now I'm installing devscripts and germinate and all that stuff and then I'm going to run the update script.
[23:05] <tsimonq2> sweet :D
[23:06] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Fun fact for you, autopkgtest supports LXD on the backend
[23:07] <arraybolt3> Alright, update in progress.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Yeah but does sbuild? :P just kidding.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> hah
[23:14] <arraybolt3> (btw if anyone in LP asks why my IP just tried to log into root on git.launchpad.net, welcome to Aaron Fumbles His SSH Config Yet Again.)
[23:18] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Hmm. Adding a blacklist did nothing to the lubuntu-desktop metapackage (which I guess is unsurprising).
[23:21] <arraybolt3> Soooo.... I guess that job's done!
[23:22] <arraybolt3> I sort of expected it to be harder than that.
[23:22] <tsimonq2> LXD? Or the seed?
[23:22] <tsimonq2> heh
[23:22] <arraybolt3> Both :)


[00:02] <harushimo> if I setup a samba share on my desktop and I want to acces that on my virtual machine, how would I do that?
[01:07] <TransX2> soren, I've done a few things already like setup my linux server, forwarded port 80 to my servers local ip, and setup a subdomain.domain with my external ip. The problem is the domain doesn't work and I can only access my server through my external ip. Anybody have any idea what I did wrong?
[01:07] <TransX2> *So
[01:07] <TransX2> Sorry soren, didn't mean to tab you...
[01:14] <TransX2> noone around?
[03:03] <riz0n> Hi, I am having an issue with Ubuntu 12.04 and postfix. I mv'd master.cf and main.cf and then run sudo dkpg-reconfigure postfix ... got it up and running. Dovecot IMAP is letting me login fine, but postfix is saying: "None of the authentication methods supported by this client are supported by your server." Can someone help me track down the problem wih postfix and get it running properly?
[03:22] <ScottK> riz0n: The ubuntu server guide has a good discussion about that.  I'd read up on setting up SMTP auth there and see if that helps.
[09:07] <martas> hi ppl, have a question.. i need to set up rsyslog to log messages from specific host to specific dir.. it seems i made some mistake.. file and directory was created, but no messages in there.. any tip or clue how exactly set up this thing?
[10:48] <martas> i'm using this syntax from documentation: if $fromhost-ip startswith '192.0.1.' then /var/log/network1.log     & ~        but still i'm getting syntax error... any advice?
[11:07] <StevenR_> martas: which documentation?
[11:07] <StevenR_> martas: that just looks wrong
[11:08] <martas> StevenR_:  http://www.rsyslog.com/storing-messages-from-a-remote-system-into-a-specific-file/
[11:09] <StevenR_> martas: pastebin your config file
[11:09] <martas> StevenR_: ok.. sec..
[11:12] <martas> StevenR_: http://pastebin.com/nD3zqJ9K
[11:19] <rbasak> Should bug 1014044 be an SRU candidate for precise? I'm not sure.
[11:20] <StevenR_> martas: are you sure "isequal" is valid? Maybe try == ?
[11:21] <StevenR_> martas: though actually, you just might need to move it to around line 57
[11:21] <rbasak> Looks like quite a bit of work though. Quantal would have to carry a delta too. Might be best to skip it given there's a workaround.
[11:24] <martas> StevenR_: interesting... it works now... after move... hmmm thx man
[11:27] <StevenR_> martas: there were some other rules before 57 to do with users, setup, ports, etc... those needed to be read first
[11:28] <martas> StevenR_: ok.. i was wrong.. i thought according to manual that it should be after allowing TCP input
[11:35] <feisar> hi, what's the recommended way to connect a headless ubuntu server to a wireless network?
[11:41] <onekenthomas> ssh?
[11:43] <rbasak> feisar: /etc/network/interfaces? See /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
[11:43] <rbasak> The recommended way would be to use a wired NIC for a server of course :)
[11:55] <feisar> rbasak: thanks, so a combination of /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant?
[11:56] <rbasak> feisar: that's what I would do. Note that you just need the wpasupplicant package installed. Then your entire configuration can be in /etc/network/interfaces without calling wpa_supplicant directly or anything like that. Nice and clean.
[11:56] <feisar> rbasak: oh great stuff, cheers : )
[13:01] <hallyn> stgraber: any comment on the last comment in bugs 928524 and 231060 ?
[13:22] <hallyn> zul: /lastlog hallyn 10
[13:22] <hallyn> oops
[13:22] <hallyn> hm.  been awhile since using irssi.  trying to recall...
[13:22] <hallyn> oh well.
[13:22] <zul> use a sane client like bitchx :)
[13:23] <hallyn> zul: are you going to have time to test the qemu-kvm from my ppa this morning?
[13:23] <hallyn> zul: if i switch i'll switch back to sic :)
[13:23] <zul> hallyn: if i can test it this afternoon
[13:24] <stgraber> hallyn: commented. I believe this change will fix systems that are currently broken, so even though dnsmasq's behaviour will indeed slightly change, it'll still be a lot better than what we have now
[13:29] <hallyn> zul: thanks.  (if you won't be able to pls let me know and i'll push what i have)
[13:29] <zul> hallyn: ok
[13:29] <hallyn> stgraber: but that's the definition of a regression right?  it'll fix a few broken systems, but risk breaking currently workign systems?
[13:29] <hallyn> is it inappropriate for sru then?
[13:30] <hallyn> if my wireless nic comes up late, will dnsmasq not find it?
[13:30] <hallyn> of course right on call we get another dup (bug 1014576)
[13:31] <stgraber> hallyn: I don't think it risks breaking currently working systems as systems don't currently work when dnsmasq and lxc are installed
[13:31] <hallyn> oops, that's not a dup, nm
[13:31] <hallyn> ah, right
[13:31] <stgraber> hallyn: and for systems that don't have lxc installed won't be affected, neither will these that have lxc installed but not dnsmasq
[13:32] <hallyn> dnsmasq isn't soon going to be enabled by default everywhere?
[13:32] <hallyn> i'm sorry, i'm too fuzzy on our dns plans
[13:32] <stgraber> no, we have dnsmasq-base installed everywhere, not dnsmasq itself
[13:32] <stgraber> dnsmasq-base gives you the dnsmasq binary that you have to spawn manually, dnsmasq gives you the daemon that's breaking with lxc
[13:33] <stgraber> and when calling dnsmasq directly (like NM, lxc, libvirt, ... do), it's not parsing /etc/dnsmasq.d, so there won't be a change of behaviour for these
[13:34] <stgraber> the change of behaviour will only be for these that explicitly install the daemon
[13:36] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks
[13:40] <hallyn> stgraber: for premounting cgroups, I think that's best done with a lxc.hook.mount script.  (so i'm going to mark it blocked;  i intend to put a hooks patch into our package in a few days if there's no upstream feedback)
[13:40] <hallyn> shout if you disagree
[13:40] <hallyn> right now i'm going to make an uptreamable apparmor patch
[13:42] <hallyn> hm, but i so wanna do the userns patch
[13:44] <stgraber> hallyn: that's for premounting the right subset of the cgroup filesystem to allow for nested containers while not letting the container change its own cgroup, right?
[13:45] <hallyn> right
[13:46] <hallyn> it needs to be a script to allow for flexibility in mounted cgroups
[13:46] <hallyn> and has to be done after /sys is mounted
[13:48] <stgraber> right, I guess I'll have to write an lxc-with-nesting.conf template in /etc/lxc/ to use my custom apparmor profile and use that hook, sounds like it'll work as a good example of how to tweak your containers :)
[13:54] <zul> Daviey/jamepage: what are we tagging MIR bugs with again?
[13:55] <Daviey> zul: we don't...
[13:55] <zul> i thought we did
[13:56] <Daviey> zul: it needs to be a package which has a  ~ubuntu-server package subscription, and ~ubuntu-mir subscribed to the bug
[13:56] <rbasak> hey zul
[13:56] <rbasak> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/82853/comments/26 - any reason why we can't build slapd-smbk5pwd now that heimdal is in main?
[13:56] <zul> rbasak: not that i know of
[13:57] <Daviey> rbasak: I thought that one was assigned to dendro-afk
[13:57] <Daviey> hah, he was removed.
[13:58] <zul> Daviey: ack...another one for your radar:  bug #1014657
[13:58] <zul> rbasak: in fact i dont see why our openldap package has to be so specialized either compared to debian
[13:59] <Daviey> Matthias :)
[14:00] <Daviey> zul: can you comment what work you did for that MIR so far?
[14:00] <zul> Daviey: subsscribed ubuntu-server, subscribed ubuntu-mir, check deps
[14:01] <rbasak> zul: well you did the merge :-)
[14:01] <zul> rbasak: well yes
[14:51] <zul> bdmurray: ping when you are around
[15:04] <bdmurray> zul: hi
[15:04] <zul> bdmurray: sorry to bug you about this but can you approve nova we would like users to get testing with the new snapshots
[15:05] <bdmurray> zul: its fine, I'm really not comfortable with some of these bugs that have "Test Case: none" in them
[15:06] <zul> bdmurray: so if something that we cant test what should i put in there then?
[15:07] <bdmurray> zul: could you explain how bug 967931 is not testable?
[15:09] <zul> bdmurray: hmm...we can run the testsuite for that bug
[15:11] <zul> bdmurray: updated
[15:12] <bdmurray> zul: and in bug 975043 there is a comment that this is not supported out of the box but how does that make it untestable?
[15:13] <zul> bdmurray: we dont have any documentation about it on ubuntu
[15:13] <zul> bdmurray: its a feature that we dont support really
[15:13] <bdmurray> zul: then why are you SRU'ing it?
[15:14] <zul> bdmurray: because its apart of the snapshot that got inherited by upstream
[15:17] <roasted> hello!
[15:18] <Daviey> bdmurray: ey
[15:18] <Daviey> Hey*
[15:18] <roasted> I was tinkering with a few different web services on my server... apache, nginx, etc... I think I goofed cause now I want to revert everything back to a fresh apache install.
[15:18] <roasted> When I install it, it doesn't generate anything in /var/www lke yout ypically expect.
[15:18] <bdmurray> Daviey: Hi
[15:19] <Daviey> bdmurray: So.. What we are trying to do is.. Have significant involvement in the upstream stable trees (zul and myself are both reviewers.)
[15:19] <Daviey> bdmurray: Push any Ubuntu fixes back to upstream where we can
[15:19] <Daviey> Do significant CI testing at both upstream and distro level
[15:19] <Daviey> bdmurray: Then take a whole snapshot, and SRU it.
[15:20] <Daviey> (including fixes that don't impact Ubuntu.. but crucially, do not regress either)
[15:20] <bdmurray> Daviey: I'm the new guy here but taking a whole snapshot and SRU'ing it sounds like a "micro release" to me and would fall under the micro release exceptions category
[15:20] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[15:20] <zul> yeah we are working towards that
[15:20] <Daviey> bdmurray: we submitted for one :)
[15:22] <Daviey> (context https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-November/034509.html)
[15:24] <Daviey> bdmurray: and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-November/001142.html
[15:41] <hallyn> stgraber: d'oh, I see that src/lxc/conf.h is already #including stdbool.h - so I can clean that bit of the lxcapi code up (to use real 'bool' instead of an int).  I'll wait though until I hear more from you about the python bit, unless you say now is a good time
[15:42] <stgraber> hallyn: the python bits are mostly done but it's extremely easy to rebase on any change you do, so go ahead
[15:43] <stgraber> hallyn: also, can you fix the lxc.h/lxccontainer.h situation? IIRC you said that lxc/lxc.h should give me the lxc_container struct, but that's not currently the case, I need lxccontainer.h which isn't in the lxc-dev package by default :)
[15:44] <stgraber> hallyn: IIRC from what I did on Friday, python-lxc covers everything except for the variable arguments of start() that I still need to write magic to parse/cast and send to start() (with all the fun memory management stuff ;))
[15:57] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, lemme wrap up my apparmor bits as they are and i'll fix the api (or break it completely, depending on what sort of week this is gonna be)
[15:59] <stgraber> hallyn: ;)
[16:00] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:02] <zul> hallyn: where is the qemu-kvm stuff?
[16:05] <stgraber> hallyn: when you're done moving things in the lxcwithapi branch, I'll work on a lxc test package (not called lxc2 this time) that bundles the API changes and the python module, so it can easily be tested by highvoltage and the others who want to test the python stuff
[16:17] <hallyn> zul: ppa:serge-hallyn/virt
[16:17] <hallyn> stgraber: awesome, thanks
[16:26] <SpamapS> can somebody who is an admin for ubuntu-server please add a bug subscription to mysql-5.5?
[16:30] <zul> SpamapS: done
[16:30] <SpamapS> zul: thanks
[16:31] <SpamapS> zul	maybe make me an admin too? :)
[16:31] <TheLordOfTime> lol?
[16:31] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  any idea when/if php 5.4.x is going to be included into Ubuntu?
[16:32] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: I actually intend to figure that out this week
[16:32] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: I *think* we'll be following everybody else's lead and dropping Suhosin
[16:33] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: so as soon as we ACK that, it will be includedASAP
[16:33] <TheLordOfTime> wonderful
[16:33] <TheLordOfTime> lol, damn, i joined #ubuntu-bugs-announce and my ZNC autodetached me from the channel because of flood... XD
[16:34] <zul> SpamapS:  i dunno about that
[16:35] <SpamapS> zul: what's the matter Colonel Sanders, chicken?
[16:35] <zul> SpamapS:  i dont want you to crazy with power
[16:37] <rbasak> While we're talking about php, is bug 1014044 something that we need to fix and/or SRU? Since the web dev community is pretty big on ubuntu server I thought it might be useful to them. But we'd have to carry a delta for it until a fix filters through.
[16:37] <TheLordOfTime> uvirtbot:  that's not a bug
[16:37] <TheLordOfTime> erm
[16:37] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  that's not a bug...
[16:37] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  in nginx, you have to have proxy_intercept_errors
[16:37] <TheLordOfTime> or...
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> have php show errors
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> (turn on show errors in the conf)
[16:38] <rbasak> Apparently php has to write the errors to the right place
[16:38] <rbasak> And upstream have committed a fix
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  which errors in particular are you talking about
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> like 500s?
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> 403s?
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> etc.
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> HTTP status codes need proxy_intercept_errors on in the site config
[16:39] <rbasak> I assume PHP level errors. I'm just going by the bug, which I marked as Triaged as there's an upstream bug and fix
[16:39] <rbasak> (and commit)
[16:39] <TheLordOfTime> PHP specific errors are a different issue
[16:39]  * TheLordOfTime looks at the bug
[16:40] <TheLordOfTime> that distinction needs to be made, see my latest comment
[16:40] <TheLordOfTime> if they mean HTTP status codes, there's a workaround, if they mean PHP errors, well...
[16:41] <TheLordOfTime> if there's a regression in the package in the repos that's bad, but the PPA maintained by the NGINX team correctly displays PHP errors in the errors log file
[16:41] <TheLordOfTime> so... *shrugs*
[16:41] <SpamapS> rbasak: looks like a fairly hefty, but straight forward change
[16:41] <TheLordOfTime> (PPA for nginx)
[16:42] <adam_g> anyone else having problems with dnsmasq's DHCP on quantal?
[16:43] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  if you'd like i'll patch and push the debdiff for that patch
[16:43] <TheLordOfTime> i'm in need of stuff to do xD
[16:43] <rbasak> SpamapS: yeah. I was just thinking that ubuntu server in general is a very friendly web dev environment, including PHP newbies. And not all of them would find an error logging workaround. So wondering about SRU, though not sure
[16:43] <SpamapS> rbasak: right. I'm not sure I understand the impact of not having that fetaure, but I do think its just that.. a feature.
[16:44] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  question for you then, would that bug be a wishlist type bug?
[16:44] <SpamapS> not necessarily
[16:44] <rbasak> So as far as I understand the impact, it is that a developer will get confused by not getting PHP error logs. There is a workaround, which is to log to a separate file.
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  i'm in agreement with rbasak, as a developer having PHP log to the error.log file is useful
[16:45] <rbasak> I'm not that clear on what sort of error logs though.
[16:45]  * TheLordOfTime has errors in PHP all the time and sees them in error.log
[16:45] <SpamapS> hrm, whats the default error logging config though? Shouldn't PHP be logging errors on the server they're happening on, not via nginx?
[16:45] <rbasak> (now that TheLordOfTime has pointed that out)
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  hence the comment on the bug
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> clarification is required
[16:45] <rbasak> Yep, understood
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> 500 errors and 502 errors should show up in error.log with context
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> 403s won't
[16:46] <TheLordOfTime> s/won't/shouldn't necessarily/
[16:47] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  was this filed against precise?
[16:47]  * TheLordOfTime sees a blatant lack of information about which version of Ubuntu this occurred in
[16:48] <rbasak> Yes
[16:48] <hallyn> stgraber: i *think* the bzr tree should be all set
[16:48] <rbasak> "Since updating Ubuntu" to 12.04 and "Using php5-fpm version: 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.1"
[16:51] <TheLordOfTime> i wish these things were filed against the actual version of the OS, rather than just the source package in [devRelease]
[16:52] <TheLordOfTime> s/version of the/version of the package in the correct/
[16:52] <rbasak> That would be really awkward for the development version, which is where most bugs are worked on
[16:52] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[16:52]  * TheLordOfTime prefers the security bugs
[16:52] <TheLordOfTime> where *all* the versions of a package get tagged (CVEs)
[16:53] <TheLordOfTime> helps me figure out where to pull from for source when making debdiffs :P
[16:53] <zul> php is genrally evil for those who do not know
[16:53] <rbasak> :-)
[16:54] <rbasak> I avoid it too, but I also understand that a ton of web developers use ubuntu server so it would make sense to keep it in good shape :)
[16:54] <TheLordOfTime> zul:  +1
[16:54] <TheLordOfTime> well, that and tagging the bugs with the actual release...
[16:55]  * TheLordOfTime tends to look at tags when seeing bugs, since 'precise' or 'lucid' seem to be autotagged on bugs when using ubuntu-bug, which most bugs in nginx get filed with
[16:55] <zul> hallyn: seems to launch instances ok
[16:55] <rbasak> There was a good article on this: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[16:56] <stgraber> hallyn: cool. Will have a look after lunch.
[16:56] <zul> well lamp stacks without the p is lam and that is one letter away from lame
[16:57] <SpamapS> rbasak: that article is just whining about the realities of evolution  IMO
[16:58] <SpamapS> There is no "design" in PHP. It evolves in the direction its users want it to
[16:58] <SpamapS> frustrating to those who want things all neat and tidy
[16:59] <hallyn> zul: great, thanks
[16:59] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  should i get started on debdiffs for php with the upstream patch?  or do you want me to wait on getting a debdiff ready
[17:00] <rbasak> EOD
[17:00] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[17:01] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: I don't think its that critical. It will arrive via upstream fixes..
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> wonderful, i can take something off of my to do list :P
[17:01] <SpamapS> By all means do it if you want to
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  considering its either make the debdiff or sit at the office waiting for a Microsoft tech to respond to an email, i'd rather make the debdiff xD
[17:01] <SpamapS> But perhaps hold off anyway, since I want to see if we can get 5.4 merged soon
[17:02] <TheLordOfTime> indeed
[17:02] <TheLordOfTime> i'd *love* to see 5.4 merged :P
[17:02] <TheLordOfTime> (considering i have at least one patch in there)
[17:11] <zul> SpamapS: 5.4 on precise?
[17:12] <SpamapS> no
[17:15] <zul> ok you got me scared for a sec
[17:24] <GeminiDomino> (12.04 64-bit) Okay, I've got a RAID1 swap partition that seems to have me locked into a mutually exclusive charlie-foxtrot here.  The device was "removed" but can't be re-added even though it's already added but... *gets dizzy and just throws up the pastebin* http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Kv4jNF6g
[17:26] <RoyK> GeminiDomino: did you try to --zero-superblock it?
[17:30] <GeminiDomino> I didn't want to do that until I got someone who knew what they were talking about to suggest that it might not be a Very Bad Idea (TM) :)  Can I zero it and add it as a spare like it says, then make it active?
[17:31] <RoyK> just zero the first few megabytes or so and try to add it
[17:32] <GeminiDomino> okay
[17:32] <RoyK> better add it as a full member than a spare, since a spare won't have much of a function without redundancy
[17:32] <RoyK> as in 'hey, that drive crashed, let me take over, huh, from where can I copy the data? ....'
[17:33] <GeminiDomino> It said that zeroing the superblock would add it as a spare, but when I did so, it worked, then immediately rebuilt.
[17:33] <GeminiDomino> So it seems I'm good to go. Molto Grazie
[17:33] <RoyK> :)
[17:37] <axisys> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[17:37] <axisys> what pkg to install to get gcc?
[17:37] <axisys> build-essential?
[17:37] <RoyK> yep
[17:37] <axisys> RoyK: thanks
[18:44] <adam_g> zul: fyi im working on getting the folsom-on-precise stuff built and deployed on there atm. ive hit some dnsmasq/nova-network bug /w folsom-on-quantal and really want to be able to check it on precise first
[18:44] <zul> which dnsmasq bug? the vlan one?
[18:46] <adam_g> zul: might be related but AFAICS something different. instances get no OFFERs
[18:48] <zul> adam_g: try the dnsmasq from proposed
[18:49] <adam_g> zul: quantal-proposed?
[18:50] <adam_g> ive only hit it only quantal atm
[18:50] <adam_g> as soon as i get these folsom/precise deploys going i can test on P
[18:50] <zul> adam_g: k ill leave you alont then ;)
[19:40] <reisi> what is the runlevel recovery -boot menu items go, and what is the default runlevel on normal boot entries?
[19:48] <adam_g> jamespage: still around?
[19:53] <fraterm> I'd like to set up bridged networking with a virutal machine running on ubuntu(through kvm).
[19:54] <fraterm> I've got 2 IP addresses, but only one nic.  I have gotten to the point where I have a bridge device set up manually.
[20:00] <RoyK> fraterm: just start virt-manager and assign the nic to br0 or similar
[20:01] <Womkes> If I have a new disk with the following info in parted ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/1047971/ ) and I just want to have one large parition but optimally aligned, do I first need to create a primary partition with certain alignment? If so, how do I do this I keep getting message that the partition is not optimally aligned.
[20:03] <fraterm> RoyK, at that point, if I select the right bridge device, whatever the 'guest' os has set up for a network configuratino (eth0 static blahblahblah) should be pingable browsable and all that?
[20:03] <fraterm> I think I just haven't selected the right bridge device.
[20:04] <RoyK> fraterm: the guest isn't relevant if the bridging is done correctly
[20:07] <fraterm> RoyK, the guest (the virtual machine) would still have to have a /etc/resolv.conf and static network configuration information applied to it though would it not?
[20:09] <RoyK> fraterm: that's just networking
[20:11]  * fraterm nods Alright then.
[20:55] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, i wonder if i should wait until someone responds about the hooks, before sending the apparmor patch upstream.  flooding the list probably just works against us
[20:55] <hallyn> OTOH, it'd be nice to drop 4 patches from our queue
[20:57] <stgraber> hallyn: would be nice to have Daniel look at the list history and merge some of our stuff, the list is getting long enough that I can't remember what was submitted and what wasn't ;)
[21:04] <stgraber> hallyn: what's the status of destroy() and create() in the API? I'm pushing their python implementation for now until we have something in the API. I also added get_ips() as a python function.
[21:07] <hallyn> stgraber: uh, i don't know.  i haven't been thinking about them.  i thought we were going to postpone those until we were sure we needed them
[21:08] <hallyn> bc it's not clear to me how they woudl interact with the scripts (especially lxc-create)
[21:08] <hallyn> woudl they be replacments, or wrappers?
[21:09] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, then maybe i'll send the patch i have, and then tomorrow go through the mailing list archives and make a new git tree with unmerged stuff
[21:11] <stgraber> hallyn: git tree with unmerged stuff sounds good
[21:11] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1048114/
[21:16] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, so notice i had 'get_config_item' and 'set_config_item' and 'load_config/save_config()'.  I just have this hunch that the configs are meant to be somewhat independent from rootfs.  maybe that's wrong
[21:16] <hallyn> the reaosn i mention it is that it affects what create means
[21:16] <hallyn> maybe i'm being silly
[21:17] <hallyn> but, from the c api, what i think i'd expect to do is:  (hold on lemme pb it)
[21:19] <hallyn> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1048131/
[21:21] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, my current implementation essentially requires you to flush your container including its config, then call create(), then load the config that create generated, but I'd definitely be interested in being able to create() without flushing the config
[21:22] <stgraber> I guess to get a clean implementation we'd have to essentially create some kind of template API, defining how they get their arguments and what they output
[21:22] <stgraber> with their output usually being a rootfs and a list of configurations keys that need to be set for the template (but not duplicating all the usual ones)
[21:24] <hallyn> stgraber: right.  so what i'm waffling on is, do we wait until we figure that out, or do we risk polluting the api with cheap (but useful!) wrappers around the scripts?
[21:26] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess we can wait for create() at least. Do you see a similar problem with destroy() ?
[21:27] <fraterm> RoyK, well, of all things, virt-manager seems to have a bug in which the Virtual Network Interface selector persists in setting NAT settings rather than changing them to any of the other available Source Device types.
[21:27] <stgraber> my create() implementation will be good enough for the initial proof of concept. Which reminds me I should ask some python warning on import of the lxc module that the API isn't stable yet ;)
[21:29] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, no, i guess no problem with destroy (except symmetry :)
[21:29] <hallyn> stgraber: i'll be leaving soon.  let me think on the create thing and decide tomorrow?
[21:29] <stgraber> sounds good
[21:34]  * fraterm grins as his virtual machine configuration was working just fine.  Tools just don't exactly work the way one would suspect.


[06:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2569 Needs rebuild due to burned version number (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2722 Abandoning ticket
[06:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2726 Generating diffs
[07:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2726 Successfully built
[08:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2720 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[09:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2728 Abandoning ticket
[09:15] <xnox> sil2100, somehow bileto is not offering to upload into artful, even though it should pick that up from launchpad.
[09:15] <xnox> do you know how to trick bileto into offering landings into artful?
[09:18] <sil2100> xnox: yeah, I know how to do that
[09:18] <sil2100> Let me fix that in 5 minutes
[09:19] <sil2100> Or at least 'I think I know how to do that'
[09:19] <sil2100> ;)
[09:19] <sil2100> Anyway, one moment
[10:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Preparing packages
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 artful/compiz: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~banw/compiz/compiz.colorfilter. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Ready to build
[11:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2726 Publishing packages
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2726 UNAPPROVED queue
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2716 Needs rebuild due to burned version number
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2727 Diff missing (artful/cinder, artful/glance, artful/keystone, artful/nova). Ready to build (artful/case, artful/kombu, artful/python-amqp, artful/python-aodhclient, artful/python-automaton, artful/python-castellan, artful/python-ceilometermiddleware, artful/python-cinderclient, artful/python-cliff, artful/python-debtcollector, artful/python-futurist, artful/python-heatclient, artful/python-iron
[13:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2731 Preparing packages
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[14:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Dependency wait
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Preparing packages
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 artful/unity: Failed to build source package
[14:58] <Trevinho> sil2100: any idea?
[14:58] <Trevinho> gpg: skipped "6309259455EFCAA8": No secret key
[14:58] <Trevinho> gpg: dpkg-sign.mBU1yAp4/unity_7.5.0+17.10.20170424-0ubuntu1.dsc: clearsign failed: No secret key
[14:58] <Trevinho> dpkg-buildpackage: error: failed to sign .dsc and .changes file
[14:58] <Trevinho> 2017-04-24 14:55:08,841 ERROR artful/unity: Failed to build source package.
[14:58] <sil2100> uh?
[14:58] <Trevinho> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/2730/build/2/
[14:59] <sil2100> Let me try looking into that in a few minutes
[15:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2733 Preparing packages
[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Ready to build
[15:38] <sil2100> Trevinho: just to make sure, that's reproducible, right?
[15:39] <Trevinho> sil2100: let me give a retry
[15:39] <sil2100> Trevinho: not too many people are using MPs nowadays in Bileto, you're probably the first one since a week ;)
[15:40] <Trevinho> sil2100: yeah, I noticed that..
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Preparing packages
[15:40] <Trevinho> I can also do the manual way, but...
[15:40] <Laney> Trevinho is about to end up maintaining it
[15:40] <Trevinho> :|
[15:40] <Laney> you mean :D
[15:41] <Trevinho> ok, I like history, but it's not a good reason to be the only one who has to do all this software conservacy... 😂
[15:43] <sil2100> ;)
[15:43] <Laney> a nice old gentleman working in a dusty archive somewhere keeping ancient software alive
[15:44] <Laney> occasionally phd students come by to study, but they never stay long
[15:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 artful/compiz: Failed to build source package
[15:47] <sil2100> Trevinho: ok, I see it failed again, diving into that
[15:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730 Ready to build
[16:11] <sil2100> Trevinho: not much I can do to fix that for now it seems, no vanguard for webops as well
[16:12] <sil2100> Trevinho: looks like something happened to the GPG key, maybe during the redeployment or something
[16:12] <sil2100> Trevinho: I'll fill in an RT and continue poking webops
[16:13] <Trevinho> sil2100: I see.. ok
[16:13] <Trevinho> thanks
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2732 Dependency wait
[16:13] <sil2100> That's the beauty of delegating infra access to other teams
[19:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2683 Ready to build