[21:53] <thebe> you need to tell me then!
[21:53] <Daskreech> p_quarles: yes but we can help him through
[21:54] <jesper_> *Sorry - I'll try but shouldn't it turn up in the gui as well?
[21:54] <Daskreech> jesper_: Maybe adept has a few bugs all centered around adding a new server
[21:54] <Daskreech> but in essence yes it should it hasn't so lets do this instead
[21:54] <Daskreech> thebe: where are you speaking to us from now?
[21:54] <MAMONT> anyone :S
[21:55] <MAMONT> i had some problems with my ubuntu 8.10 fs, so i made fsck, after that i rebooted and it appears there is no /val/lib/gdm. there's no lib in /var at all
[21:55] <Daskreech> what is in /var ?
[21:55] <genii> A lot of stuff
[21:55] <MAMONT> lock log run
[21:56] <goofey> MAMONT: are you looking for an answer as to how it happened or how to fix it?
[21:56] <Daskreech> wow
[21:56] <Daskreech> that's a lot of missing stuff
[21:56] <MAMONT> to fix it
[21:56] <MAMONT> yeah i know :S
[21:56] <MAMONT> is there a way to repair it?
[21:56] <Daskreech> sounds like time to get a live cd
[21:56] <genii> Maybe look in lost+found directory for the missing stuff
[21:56] <Daskreech> you need to be off the file system to repair it
[21:56] <MAMONT> i'm here with liveCD
[21:57] <Daskreech> ah might be there
[21:57] <Daskreech> thebe: you are talking to us from a different machine ?
[21:57] <MAMONT> ok hold on i'll look in lost+found
[21:57] <goofey> MAMONT: I would make sure your hard drive isn;t failing before you try to fix this (just my opinion)
[21:58] <thebe> actually i am installing it in virtual box in kubuntu host os
[21:58] <thebe> trying  to install ubuntu server
[21:58] <MAMONT> goofey: what if?
[21:58] <thebe> and reinstalling it again
[21:59] <dfgsehsdasgas> i am trying to install kubuntu 8,10 in my machine but the partition manager is not detecting my partitions.can someone help me out plz?
[22:00] <Daskreech> thebe: h Yeah hardly likely that PSE will work there
[22:00] <Daskreech> PAE
[22:00] <Daskreech> since it requires the Physical Address
[22:00] <MAMONT> how to get to lost+found?
[22:00] <goofey> MAMONT: what if?  what if what?
[22:00] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: As in it says you have no partitions ?
[22:01] <MAMONT> do i have to make root?
[22:01] <Daskreech> MAMONT: If you mount the drive / should have a lost+found directory
[22:01] <zoran> MAMONT: use sudo before command that make command to run as root
[22:02] <dfgsehsdasgas> Daskreech i already have kubuntu installed but through the live cd i cannot see and select the partition of my choice to install to
[22:02] <MAMONT> sudo doesn't work with cd
[22:02] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: Ok start over
[22:02] <zoran> work to me
[22:02] <Daskreech> MAMONT: Yes it does
[22:02] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: You ahve kubuntu on the hard drive
[22:02] <dfgsehsdasgas> Daskreech u mean reboot?
[22:02] <thebe> then if it does not work, what could i do??
[22:02] <Daskreech> how many partitions ?
[22:02] <genii> zoran: On livecd he should likely be root already
[22:03] <MAMONT> when i type sudo cd it says comand not found
[22:03] <Daskreech> thebe: how muchmemory do you ahve in the VM ?
[22:03] <zoran> genii: hmmm, maybe ;0
[22:03] <Daskreech> MAMONT: why do you need to sudo cd ?
[22:03] <dfgsehsdasgas> Daskreech i have 1 home partition, 1 system partition where i install kubuntu, i windows ntfs partition
[22:03] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: no swap?
[22:03] <MAMONT> else it wount let mme in lost+found
[22:04] <Daskreech> MAMONT: sudo -i then type cd
[22:04] <dfgsehsdasgas> oh yes,i also have swap,sorry...
[22:04] <MAMONT> it says i have no permissions
[22:04] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: OK so 4 partitions
[22:04] <MAMONT> ok
[22:04] <dfgsehsdasgas> Daskreech i hope o do not forget any
[22:04] <dfgsehsdasgas> :)
[22:05] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: You are on a Live CD now and want to change the partitions ?
[22:05] <dfgsehsdasgas> dar
[22:05] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: install gparted
[22:05] <Daskreech> best solution
[22:05] <|PaperTiger|> Does anyone happen to know if Creative Zen X-Fi supports Ogg Vorbis files?
[22:05] <dfgsehsdasgas> Daskreech i am on live cd, i want to try kubuntu 64 bit by installing it over my existing installation
[22:06] <Daskreech> dfgsehsdasgas: ah
[22:06] <MAMONT> Daskreech: ok i'm in lost+found
[22:07] <Daskreech> great :)
[22:07] <Daskreech> genii: help out MAMONT
[22:07] <thebe> 16GB for this machine
[22:07] <MAMONT> Daskreech: and here is some #***** directorys
[22:07] <Daskreech> I have to go help someone stranded get home
[22:07] <jesper_> Daskreech: thanks, that worked perfectly :)
[22:07] <genii> Daskreech: Unfortunately I have no time right now for support, my other work is needing me too much to be helpful here
[22:07] <Daskreech> thebe: hmm I think generic can handle that much memory
[22:08] <Daskreech> ok :-)
[22:08] <Daskreech> p_quarles: can yuo help MAMONT ?
[22:08] <MAMONT> plz :))
[22:08] <mshooshtari> I need help with networkmanager, specifically the proxy server setup. I'm having difficulties with updates now that our organization has added a proxy server.
[22:09] <thebe> but i still did not get what does the physical address extension means
[22:09] <mshooshtari> the kpackagekit FAQ says that it should use networkmanager's proxy settings and prompt, this is not happening however.
[22:09] <MAMONT> Daskreech: 10x anyways i'll ask my self :) don't bother 10x
[22:10] <MAMONT> you only tell me who can i ask :)
[22:10] <thebe> built ltsp chrrot
[22:10] <thebe> what does this mean??
[22:10] <Daskreech> chroot
[22:11] <thebe> sorry, yep chroot
[22:11] <genii> Daskreech: In my bookmarks I have categorised https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/lostfound-recovery-205411/  as useful , mileage may vary
[22:12] <MAMONT> genii: i guess that was addressed 2 me :) i'll take a look 10x
[22:13] <Marfi> Hey, I am trying to install kubuntu-desktop, but it keeps comming up saying that "recommends <o
[22:13] <Marfi> Hey, I am trying to install kubuntu-desktop, but it keeps comming up saying that "recommends <package name>, but it is not going to be installed"
[22:14] <Marfi> Then it says broken packages. How do I get it to install the packages?
[22:15] <Marfi> Figured it out. A package was newer than in the repos, adn that's what messed it up
[22:17] <mot_> question: are there any third-party repos that carry nvidia-180-kernel-source greater than 180.11 (which is what is in the official intrepid repos) ?
[22:17] <mot_> the latest releast in jaunty is 180.37...i know there have to be third-party repos for intrepid with something closer to that at least, right?
[22:30] <winterz> can someone help me setup my display resolution?  I have a widescreen monitor, so I want 1680x1050.  but it keeps coming up at lower resolutions.  even though it worked perfectly after installation.  then stopped working perfectly after I logged out.
[22:31] <MAMONT> winterz: what drivers do you have?
[22:31] <MAMONT> display drivers
[22:31] <winterz> MAMONT: how do I check that?
[22:32] <winterz> the xorg.conf just says "Configured2
[22:32] <MAMONT> go to system>administration>hardware drivers and look if there is any restricted drivers
[22:32] <winterz> the xorg.conf just says "Configured Video Device"
[22:33] <MAMONT> winterz: do you know what video card do you have?
[22:34] <winterz> MAMONT: says "no proprietary drivers are installed.."
[22:34] <MAMONT> winterz: and you don't know which card you have? (nVidia, ATI)
[22:35] <winterz> MAMONT: I think it's some type of Intel.. let me try to get more specifics from lshw
[22:35] <SJrX> Crap you mean I can't discuss jaunty in here at all?
[22:36] <domw888> !de
[22:36] <trappist> SJrX: that's the idea - all you want in #ubuntu+1 though
[22:37] <winterz> MAMONT: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[22:38] <MAMONT> winterz: where you're trying to set resolution from?
[22:38] <winterz> MAMONT: first I tried using systemsettings->display
[22:38] <winterz> MAMONT: but that doesn't list 1680x1150 as an option
[22:39] <winterz> MAMONT: then I started to hand-edit xorg.conf
[22:39] <SJrX> Are there any utilities or wrappers for nvidia-settings that allow me to automate it?
[22:39] <MAMONT> winterz: try from prefences>screen resolution
[22:39] <winterz> MAMONT: but I thought better of the idea and came here instead
[22:42] <XKiLL3R> Hey
[22:42] <winterz> where would I find preferences->screen resolution MAMONT?
[22:42] <XKiLL3R> genii: u still here ?
[22:43] <MAMONT> system>preferences>screen resolution :) sorry
[22:43] <XKiLL3R> installing kubuntu = done , but nw i can't change resolution or refresh rate
[22:44] <XKiLL3R> it's just 800X600 and refresh rate = 61
[22:44] <XKiLL3R> best view 4 me is 1024X768 and refresh rate = 85
[22:44] <XKiLL3R> any 1 can help about that ?
[22:45] <XKiLL3R> :S
[22:46] <mshooshtari> I'm usuing Jaunty as well, but there is only ubuntu+1 not kubuntu+1 so if the issue is KDE specific it's either here or SOL.
[22:49] <XKiLL3R> help !!!
[22:53] <mshooshtari> XKiLL3R: http://www.opensuse.org/en/
[22:53] <mshooshtari> a darn good KDE implementation
[22:54] <winterz> is there a way to force kubuntu to rescan my hardware? maybe it didn't accurately figure out my display driver?
[23:02] <sebsebseb>
[23:04] <Haza_> Evening folks. Im running 8.10 KDE 4.2 on my laptop. I don't think that sound is working fully. Output seems okay but not mic input. How can i go about debugging the issue?
[23:05] <Elone> Haza_, open Mixer enable all the channel and try different Capture check box
[23:08] <Haza_> Hmm, okay, ive found Internal Mic
[23:09] <Haza_> That was set to 0, Turning it up provides sound feedback.
[23:09] <Haza_> Im guessing this is it
[23:15] <Szadek> hello all .... i have a question , is it possible to use different styles per aplication ?? for example , using qtcurve only on firefox and the rest of the applications use oxygen for example ?? any help woud be aprecciated =) .
[23:20] <whaskes> van itt magyar?
[23:20] <BluesKaj> !hu
[23:22] <gimox> !it
[23:34] <stepnem> !zh
[23:53] <XKiLL3R> Help !!!
[23:54] <XKiLL3R> genii u r here ?!
[23:54] <XKiLL3R> any1 here 2 help ?


[03:07] <thumper> mwhudson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/script-error-reporting-utility/+merge/13329 perchance?
[03:09] <mwhudson> thumper: why not run all diff tests in the zopeless layer>
[03:09] <mwhudson> ?
[03:09] <mwhudson> i guess some of the code runs in the webapp
[03:09] <thumper> umm...
[03:09] <thumper> possibly?
[03:09] <thumper> I could do  I gess
[03:10]  * thumper smacks forehead
[03:10] <mwhudson> thumper: did you know https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+activereviews is oopsing?
[03:10] <thumper> no
[03:10] <mwhudson> TypeError: can't compare datetime.datetime to NoneType<br />
[03:10] <thumper> fuck
[03:10] <mwhudson> something to do with the sorting, i think
[03:10] <thumper> ya think?
[03:11] <thumper> and no losa :(
[03:11] <thumper> was hoping for a db query
[03:12] <mwhudson> thumper: pjdc can do them
[03:12] <thumper> who is pjdc?
[03:16] <thumper> mwhudson: do you think it better to run all the tests in the zopeless layer?
[03:16] <thumper> all the diff ones anyway
[03:17] <mwhudson> thumper: wellington based sysadmin
[03:17] <thumper> ah, I forgot about him
[03:17]  * mwhudson looks at the diff testsx
[03:29] <mwhudson> thumper: i guess it makes sense to divide up the tests depending on whether they'll be running in a script or the webapp
[03:30] <mwhudson> thumper: (and in the medium term, let's kill more and more of the zopeless/webapp description)
[03:31] <mwhudson> distinction!
[03:31] <mwhudson> not description
[03:33]  * mwhudson says stuff on the mp
[11:25] <noodles775> Hi allenap, got time for this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/450124-findBuildCandidate_improvements/+merge/13334
[11:25] <allenap> noodles775: Yeah, sure.
[12:22] <noodles775> Thanks allenap
[12:23] <allenap> noodles775: You're welcome.
[12:25] <allenap> noodles775: Do you know where we use YUI 2.7?
[12:25] <noodles775> allenap: yep - the date/time picker :/
[12:26] <noodles775> allenap: see the inclusion in templates/sprint-new.pt for example.
[12:27] <allenap> noodles775: Thanks. By the way, it's in reference to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/canonical-fonts-bug-435356/+merge/13318 where sinzui has updated the font-family definitions in the YUI 2.7 code. I wondered if it was necessary.
[12:29] <noodles775> allenap: right. fwiw, afaik we're only using yui2.7 for the calendar, so updating those two css files would be necessary, not sure about the others.
[12:30] <allenap> noodles775: I'll add that to the review. Thanks.
[12:30] <noodles775> np.
[13:58] <achuni> hi, I'm looking for a reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/canonical-identity-provider/wip/+merge/13309
[13:58] <achuni> it's a huge monster of a diff
[13:59] <achuni> bac started on it yesterday but didn't get round to finish it
[14:00] <achuni> I was wondering if some kind soul could look at it, or if we'll need to set out and split it up
[14:10] <allenap> achuni: I'll take a look.
[14:10] <allenap> achuni: Ah, I don't have permission to see that.
[14:10] <achuni> allenap: I'll subscribe you in a sec
[14:12] <achuni> allenap: subscribed
[14:12] <allenap> achuni: Thanks.
[14:19] <allenap> achuni: I think it would be better if you could break it up into three changes, two at least. There's a lot of new stuff there, and it's not to a codebase that I'm intimately familiar with. On another day I might feel brave and do it, but my history on mammoth reviews is that the time spent shoots up as the diff gets bigger, and the quality goes down.
[14:19] <allenap> achuni: Do you think you'll be able to break it up?
[14:20] <achuni> allenap: I'll do my best
[14:22] <allenap> achuni: Cool, and sorry for now :-/
[14:23] <achuni> allenap: np, it's all for the best
[14:35] <sinzui> allenap: Thanks for the review. noodles775: I updated all the YUI css because mt reopened the bug for U1 because the JS widgets were not in the official style. I think it is safer to convert them all in the off chance we use another 2.0 widget.
[14:36] <allenap> sinzui: You're welcome, and that sounds reasonable.
[16:06] <noodles775> allenap: I don't seem to be getting an email notification - so maybe you didn't either, but jfyi, I've added an incremental after your review to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/450124-findBuildCandidate_improvements/+merge/13334
[16:07] <allenap> noodles775: I'll have a look. I haven't received an email either.
[16:09] <allenap> noodles775: Still r=me :)
[16:09] <noodles775> allenap: thanks.
[16:09] <allenap> noodles775: Thanks for replying; not everyone does if I have some comments but +1 anyway.
[16:10] <noodles775> allenap: np - I always like to know how people finish up branches too - after having poured over the code :)
[16:18] <adeuring> allenap: could you please review this mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/hwdb-class-udev-device-5/+merge/13350 ?
[16:19] <allenap> adeuring: Sure.
[16:19] <adeuring> allenap: thanks!
[16:56] <al-maisan> jml: it would be nice if we could make some headway wrt bug #347768
[16:56] <mup> Bug #347768: Allow anyone with upload rights to write to a package branch <package-branches> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:In Progress by jml> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/347768>
[16:58] <jml> al-maisan, yes, I very strongly agree.
[16:58] <al-maisan> would you have time for a call?
[16:59] <jml> al-maisan, yes I would. Can you give me 5-10 minutes to gather my thoughts?
[17:00] <al-maisan> jml: most certainly!
[17:02] <allenap> adeuring: The diff is rather long; I assume it's meant to be against devel rather than db-devel?
[17:02] <adeuring> allenap: argh, of course... Let me paste te real diff
[17:02] <allenap> adeuring: It's okay, I have it.
[17:02] <adeuring> allenap: ok, thanks
[17:08] <jml> al-maisan, ok, let's do it.
[17:08] <al-maisan> jml: yup
[17:10] <jml> al-maisan, nothing is happening.
[17:10] <al-maisan> jml: I tried calling but got a "call refused"
[17:16] <allenap> adeuring: All looks good.
[17:16] <adeuring> allenap: thanks!
[17:23] <jml> al-maisan, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/293241/
[17:33] <adeuring> allenap: could you add your review to my MP?
[17:33] <allenap> adeuring: I sent an email review...
[17:34] <adeuring> allenap: Ah, OK. Seems that processing needs some time...
[17:34] <allenap> adeuring: Mmm, I sent it nearly 20 minutes ago.
[17:46] <leonardr> edwin, i'd like your views on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/optional-compression/+merge/13358
[18:35] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, may I stick a branch in your queue.  It's seriously a one line change.
[18:56] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: sure
[18:58] <achuni> allenap: I've split the merge out in to three MP:
[18:58] <achuni> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/canonical-identity-provider/wip1/+merge/13351
[18:58] <achuni> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/canonical-identity-provider/wip2/+merge/13362
[18:58] <achuni> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/canonical-identity-provider/wip/+merge/13363
[18:58] <achuni> I'm afraid the second one is still quite large
[19:01] <leonardr> EdwinGrubbs, did you see my review request?
[19:01] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: no
[19:01] <leonardr> edwingrubbs: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/optional-compression/+merge/13358
[19:04] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: where is your MP?
[19:04] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, still prepping it.  leonardr can go first.
[19:06] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: reviewing it now
[19:07] <leonardr> great
[19:20] <bac> hi edwin -- can i add a super simple one to your queue?
[19:20] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: sure
[19:40] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-436978-pg-index/+merge/13368
[19:40] <bac> beuno: UI review?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-436978-pg-index/+merge/13368
[19:40] <beuno> bac, sure
[19:40] <bac> beuno: scroll down for screenshots
[19:43] <beuno> bac, reviewed
[19:43] <bac> beuno: fast!
[19:43] <bac> thanks
[19:54] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: Is BaseWSGIWebServiceConfiguration supposed to be used somewhere, or is it just a resource for other applications?
[19:55] <leonardr> edwingrubbs: it's just for other applications, but it is used in the wsgi example service
[19:56] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: I see that it sets set_hop_to_hop_headers to False, but that variable defaults to true in the tests. Is it not using that base in class in that test?
[19:57] <leonardr> edwin: right. all the tests except the ones in wsgi/example/tests use the default behavior
[19:57] <leonardr> the tests in wsgi/example/tests will have it set to false, but as i mentioned in the merge proposal, it doesn't seem to make a difference, because my test wsgi server is less strict than real wsgi servers
[19:58] <leonardr> i can add a test that shows that the TE header is ignored in wsgi services
[19:59] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: I don't think that's necessary. I was just confused.
[19:59] <leonardr> ok
[20:11] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/fix-ensure-login/+merge/13373
[20:17] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: it's a good thing you told me it was one line, since I almost went to lunch. r=me
[20:17] <rockstar> Edwin-lunch, thanks!
[22:11] <nhandler> Does anyone know where the error message 'Invalid value' that you get when you try to subscribe a non-existant user to a bug is defined?
[22:55] <mwhudson> nhandler: it's something terrible deep in the zope form machinery i think
[22:55] <mwhudson> nhandler: do you know what a 'vocabulary
[22:55] <mwhudson> ' is in the context of launchpad?
[22:58] <nhandler> mwhudson: Not really. I'm still learning as I go. I was working on bug #231168, and in order to properly fix it, the error message should really be modified
[22:58] <mup> Bug #231168: Subscribe someone else says: "...if they have an active account." <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad Blueprints:In Progress by nhandler> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/231168>
[22:59] <mwhudson> nhandler: ok
[22:59] <mwhudson> nhandler: basically, i can't remember
[23:00] <mwhudson> nhandler: but i think i knew once, so i can probably find out quicker than you :)
[23:00] <nhandler> :)
[23:00] <nhandler> Thanks a lot mwhudson
[23:00] <mwhudson> nhandler: can you tell me where the view class is for this form?
[23:01] <nhandler> mwhudson: The view class? My python abilities are very minimal I'm afraid.
[23:01] <mwhudson> nhandler: it's ok, i think i found it
[23:04] <mwhudson> nhandler: i *think* you need to specify a validator for the "person" Field in IBugSubscription
[23:06] <nhandler> mwhudson: Thanks. Now I have somewhere to work from. My goal is to get this bug fixed and ready to be reviewed/merged by the end of the week


[02:13] <pleia2> jedijf: you guys rock! :)
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> I've been having trouble sleeping
[02:59] <MutantTurkey> we are down to the last few days here.
[02:59] <MutantTurkey> hopefully I'll make it through.
[03:05] <ChinnoDog> count some sheep
[03:21] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I imagine you get that way every year around Thanksgiving :)
[03:57] <Sadin> hey everyone
[03:58]  * Resistance hands MutantTurkey a personal defense field
[03:58] <Resistance> it'll protect you for the next 48 hours, unless you keep it fueled with antimatter
[03:58] <Resistance> in which case it will last indefinitely if you can generate the antimatter continually
[03:58] <Resistance> :p
[11:05] <rmg51> Morning
[12:31] <jedijf> pleia2: i meant the taco truck :P
[13:16] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:48] <JonathanD> Morning.
[16:58] <pleia2> jedijf: haha
[17:03] <jedijf> pleia2: was it good?
[17:03] <pleia2> very
[17:03] <jedijf> is it stationary or roaming?
[17:04] <pleia2> it goes home every night, but it's always at that corner when it's open
[17:04] <jedijf> that's stationary
[17:04] <pleia2> but it's actually quite highly rated
[17:04] <jedijf> awesome
[17:04] <jedijf> i saw the zagat plaque
[17:04] <pleia2> yeah
[17:05] <jedijf> i hate the new trucks that change locations and make you find them; i mean i know why they do it, but still
[17:05] <pleia2> yeah, that would be sad
[19:19] <jthan> Guys.. anyone compile their own kernel with dri/dri2 compiled in?
[20:54] <InHisName> need to add directory /usr/share/perl5/URI/  into @INC   ==>Can't locate Net/Telnet.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.12.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.12.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.12 /usr/share/perl/5.12 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at try1.sh line 2.
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> I am thinking about changing my nick for a few days
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> you know, go anon
[20:57] <teddy-dbear> we'll still know it's you ;-)
[20:58] <teddy-dbear> got to go bye
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> I'm worried they're onto me/
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> I just want to fly free/
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> too bad evolution/
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> got the best of me/
[21:35] <InHisName> May the Mutant Bird of Paradise fly over your head, MutantTurkey
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> Amen.
[21:36] <InHisName> Hey aren't there any perl lover here today ?
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> blech
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> I mean, at least ruby is funny, perl doesnt even have that.
[21:52] <waltman> perl is WAY funny
[22:00] <InHisName> so have we jumped to funny software or women  as a topic ?


[15:39] <pleia2> czajkowski: how long will launchpad have reduced builder capacity? (wondering if the article should be included in UWN, released Monday)
[16:38] <czajkowski> a month
[16:38] <czajkowski> pleia2: ^^^
[16:38] <pleia2> thank you :)
[16:38] <czajkowski> np
[16:40] <czajkowski> pleia2: there might be a follow article by tomrorow
[16:40] <czajkowski> but it'l just be saying that
[16:40] <czajkowski> a month
[16:40] <czajkowski> I did put it on the LPstatus
[16:40] <pleia2> ok, if it gets published before monday UTC I'll make sure it gets included
[16:41]  * pleia2 stops asking czajkowski work questions now
[16:42] <czajkowski> pleia2: no bother :)
[16:42] <pleia2> hehe
[16:42] <czajkowski> I dont mind I've been poked already today re other stuff, if I'm on I answer
[16:42] <czajkowski> pleia2: we have launchpadstatus on twitter and identi.ca
[16:42] <pleia2> oh cool
[16:42] <czajkowski> all downtime and issues affecting LP get put there
[16:43]  * pleia2 follows
[16:44] <czajkowski> now for chinese exepndibles 2 and a bottle of wine
[16:44] <czajkowski> toodles
[16:44] <pleia2> enjoy


[07:45] <tim> hello all, I'm an 8th grade teacher and hoping this is the right place to get help
[07:46] <tim> i know you can set up thin clients that log onto the server -- is there anyway you can set upa workstation (where all programs run off the local harddrive) but all log-ins go to the server and all user data is saved on the server?
[18:18] <pygi> hi
[18:28] <Ahmuck_Sr> hi
[18:29] <Ahmuck_Sr> how's it going pygi
[18:29] <pygi> pretty good, thank you
[18:29] <pygi> and you?
[18:29] <pygi> highvolt1ge, poke :P
[18:59] <pygi> hi LaserJock
[19:00] <LaserJock> hi pygi
[19:00] <pygi> how are you doing? :)
[19:01] <LaserJock> doing OK, thanks
[19:01] <LaserJock> pygi: and you?
[19:01] <pygi> very nice
[19:43] <highvolt1ge> pygi: pike
[19:43] <pygi> highvolt1ge, do you need me to help with anything?
[19:43] <pygi> I should have time for at least the following month
[19:44] <highvolt1ge> pygi: yes indeed. LaserJock was just telling me earlier that we need to prioritise bugs and get to them while there's still time
[19:45] <highvolt1ge> pygi: also, the way we're installing has changed, so there's lots of changes necessary for the website and documentation
[19:45] <pygi> highvolt1ge, ok, my gf is coming over soon, so I can't talk now, but tomorrow might be a good day to discuss where you want me to help with.
[19:45] <pygi> or if tomorrow isn't any good, monday :)
[19:51] <highvolt1ge> pygi: ok great, thanks!


[17:45] <Mc-> spammer accounts: jhskldfskl jhefghju nancy5215 gujnjknmjidff saltdexin136<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>"epson printer" (~epson-printers) leelprak ETRET RTGDER KIK hfhgdshl fghkjfhs jkfghsjkh kjfghsjklg JUYIJ thomadmark
[17:45] <Mc-> and maybe i missed a few
[17:46] <Mc-> (more than 100 spam questions in the last hours)
[17:47] <Mc-> is it possible to run some spam checking tool before sending the automated emails to the answre contacts ?
[17:47] <Mc-> answer*
[17:48] <cjwatson> not sure about that but I'm going through and banning accounts now
[17:48] <Mc-> thanks
[17:49] <Mc-> (just a moment ago<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)
[17:51] <Mc-> ghfggtsmith
[17:52] <Mc-> hggsgfsg
[17:53] <cjwatson> please don't
[17:53] <cjwatson> I mean, my script doesn't work off the account names
[17:53] <Mc-> ah, sorry
[17:53] <cjwatson> so don't spend your time copying and pasting them for me :)
[17:53] <Mc-> i should give the ids ?
[17:53] <cjwatson> I can get those myself just as easily
[17:53] <cjwatson> just say there's a run in progress
[17:54] <cjwatson> (I think William's autokiller script must have fallen off the network again - it normally catches these)
[17:55] <cjwatson> caught up now
[17:55] <Mc-> thanks :)
[17:58] <dobey> i've found disabling the "answers" feature of launchpad works pretty well for not getting spam on answers :)
[18:00] <Mc-> yes but we have (inkscape) 0-6 legitimate question per day and getting an email to know there is a new one is a nice feature
[18:06] <cjwatson> ok, dinnertime, hopefully they'll get bored soon
[18:09] <Mc-> if only... (a new one '1 minute ago')
[23:01] <xevious> Launchpad only retains the most recent version of a package, right? Or, is there a section where I can download old versions of the packages?
[23:01] <dobey> from a PPA or from the ubuntu archive?
[23:03] <xevious> dobey: From a PPA
[23:03] <dobey> no, only the latest is retained
[23:04] <xevious> That's what I thought. Shucks. :(
[23:17] <cjwatson> xevious: there's a brief stay of execution - they're still around for a day or so
[23:17] <cjwatson> you can go to +packages on a PPA and search with different filter settings
[23:18] <xevious> Yeah, I'm looking for a build from August.
[23:18] <xevious> I appreciate the tip, though.
[23:18] <tsimonq2> I find it annoying that Launchpad mailing lists delay the time between posting to the ML and it being in the archives. Is there any way to fix this?
[23:19] <cjwatson> the main problem there is that the archiver is awful and has to move a ridiculous number of files around
[23:19] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/779915
[23:19] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: is anybody working on this?
[23:19] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: and if not, someone really should
[23:20] <cjwatson> as far as I know nobody is currently working on it
[23:20] <tsimonq2> I don't have the technical abilities to, but it is really a pain in the ass
[23:20] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: any chance I could find someone to work on this?
[23:21] <cjwatson> Don't know, sorry.  I don't know the mailman integration particularly well and definitely don't have the time at the moment.
[23:21] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: ok, thanks


[00:01] <aanderse> Oak_: wired or wireless network?
[00:01] <Oak_> wired
[00:02] <aanderse> did you post on forums yet?
[00:02] <Oak_> no
[00:02] <Oak_> I am not even quite sure what to post
[00:02] <Oak_> or where
[00:03] <aanderse> ubuntuforums.org is a good spot to solve problems
[00:03] <Oak_> ok
[00:07] <Oak_> brb changing connection cords
[00:21] <xenos_> how do i check the version i'm running with xubuntu?
[00:21] <xenos_> updates are 'up to date' but ... i doubt it.
[01:20] <Oak___> My computer is now showing according to the icon on the top bar of my screen that I am connected to the internet but my router does not see the computer and nothing online works
[01:20] <Oak___> (not this compter another one next to it)
[01:21] <Oak___> I configured the network manager I am pretty certain the way it should be
[01:23] <Oak___> I looked all over the forums and the documentation and nothing was helpful
[01:40] <Oak___> how do I register on this server so I can pm?
[01:49] <kappaccino> try /register help
[01:49] <kappaccino> whoops
[01:49] <kappaccino> that doesn't work
[02:11] <DaveKong> I just found it out
[02:11] <DaveKong> thanks
[02:12] <DaveKong> oak was taken
[02:16] <DaveKong> anyone keen on network issues I have been struggling with this for a long time now and no one seems to know why my connection is not working
[02:58] <DaveKong> I have set up my internet connection correctly and the icon on the top bar shows a wired connection but I am unable to use the internet at all
[02:59] <DaveKong> My router does not see the computer
[02:59] <DaveKong> anyone know what may be going on?
[03:05] <SniperXPX> hello
[03:06] <SniperXPX> is there a way i can bypass some of the procedures in the "Checking file systems" on boot? mine seems to freeze at "Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald"
[03:06] <SniperXPX> further explained here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494775
[03:06] <SniperXPX> I need to get in and recompile inotify or something
[03:08] <DaveKong_> The router light is flahsing green but is not solid
[03:12] <DaveKong_> no one has any ideas?
[04:15]  * Dorne Just running xubuntu usb to log all of my channels
[04:35] <hexoroid> hello all
[04:43] <hexoroid> I just did apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[04:44] <hexoroid> then on gnome i went to logout then change the sessiong to "xfce"
[04:44] <hexoroid> and it still logs me into GNOME ?
[07:32] <kibibyte> hi
[07:33] <kibibyte> how to change keyboard layout?
[08:18] <totalwormage> kibibyte: use setxkbmap :]
[08:49] <Valsum> Morning.
[09:42] <Iskr> why is updatedb running even if i put the update manager options stating that i don't want it to check for updates?
[09:42] <Iskr> periodically when i boot it runs someway slowing me down very much
[09:45] <TheSheep> Iskr: updatedb has nothing to do with update manager
[09:46] <Iskr> ah
[09:46] <TheSheep> Iskr: it updates the filename database for use with the 'locate' command
[09:46] <Iskr> ok
[09:46] <Iskr> so it wasn't it
[09:46] <Iskr> i was wrong in locating the app name
[09:46] <Iskr> but it was the update manager running
[09:47] <Iskr> i know it because its icon from orange was grey
[09:47] <Iskr> like it is when there is some package manager running
[09:47] <TheSheep> no idea
[09:48] <Iskr> =(
[09:48] <TheSheep> next time you have it you can check if it does any network connections, with 'netstat'
[09:48] <Iskr> anyway i'd really like to remove that orange icon from my system tray... i'd like to start the update manager when I want to update
[09:50] <TheSheep> Iskr: settings->setting manager->autostarted applications
[09:50] <Iskr> yes TheSheep
[09:50] <Iskr> i have already done it
[09:50] <TheSheep> you can even uninstall the whole thing with synaptic
[09:50] <Iskr> but it didn't work
[09:50] <Iskr> i swear
[09:50] <Iskr> even if i check it now
[09:51] <TheSheep> perhaps it was saved with your session
[09:51] <Iskr> the application is unchecked
[09:51] <Iskr> but nevertheless it started
[09:51] <TheSheep> xfce can remember the application that were running when you logged out and start them when you log in
[09:52] <TheSheep> if it has the 'save session' checkbox set when you are loggin out
[09:52] <Iskr> oh yes it's true
[09:52] <Iskr> it could be that
[09:52] <Iskr> so i must kill it
[09:53] <TheSheep> you can clear your session by deleting the files in ~/.cache/sessions/
[09:53] <Iskr> i killed it
[09:53] <Iskr> r.i.p.
[09:53] <Iskr> thank you very much as usual TheSheep you are always very useful
[09:54] <TheSheep> cool
[09:55] <Iskr> do you also know how i can make my pdf icon back after being changed by acroreader?
[09:57] <TheSheep> Iskr: I have no idea what acrobat does with the icon
[09:57] <TheSheep> Iskr: I suppose you could replace the icon it installed
[09:57] <Iskr> yes but how?
[09:57] <TheSheep> Iskr: or just remove it, then it will fallback to the default
[09:58] <Iskr> yes but i need it
[09:58] <TheSheep> well, first you need to find it...
[09:58] <TheSheep> the icon file, not whole acrobat
[09:58] <Iskr> ah yes
[09:58] <Iskr> i tried to remove it
[09:58] <TheSheep> dpkg -L packagename will list the files contained in a package
[09:59] <Iskr> let me found the howto i had tried
[10:02] <lsolesen> I am trying to install xubuntu on a lenovo t60, and everything worked but the wireless. I have googled a bit, and it seems I need to install http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads
[10:02] <Iskr> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=698402 <- i have done this
[10:02] <lsolesen> But how do I do that?
[10:02] <Iskr> it didn't work
[10:03] <TheSheep> lsolesen: I'm sure there are howtos on the think wiki
[10:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: you have acrobat in that directory?
[10:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: or is it a different version?
[10:05] <Iskr> yes of course it's same directory and same verions -.-
[10:06] <TheSheep> it should work by my book, any error messages?
[10:06] <Iskr> no -.-
[10:07] <Iskr> the 'save session' feature has nothing to do with this thing, isn't it?
[10:08] <lsolesen> TheSheep: you are probably right, but could not find it :) Hoped some clever guy here knew a link. I only have a wireless signal where I am installing, so I have to switch to win every time I want to look something up. A little annoying :)
[10:08] <TheSheep> lsolesen: here is some info: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_6.10_(Edgy_Eft)_on_a_ThinkPad_T60#Wireless_LAN
[10:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: no
[11:26] <lsolesen> I tried to install the wireless card, and it seems that everything is installed now. However, there are still no apparent wireless connection. Got this when doing $ dmesg | grep hal
[11:26] <lsolesen> [17179590.420000] ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel. [17179590.424000]
[11:26] <lsolesen> ath_hal: <IP_ADDRESS> (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
[11:29] <lsolesen> There is no light in the wireless connection light. However, the buttom to turn it on will not work (it works on windows), so I guess I do not know where to turn it on.
[11:55] <kibibyte> how to access windows partition?
[12:30] <renegade444> I'm trying to get xubuntu 8.04 to run on an older machine (p2-400 w/196MB RAM) and am having some sound issues. Anyone on happen to be good with sound issues in Xubuntu?
[13:58] <nikin> hy
[13:59] <nikin> i am trying to set up my notebook hotkeys.. but i bumped in a problem... my Fn keys do not repeat any keycodes.. as seen with showkey.
[14:00] <nikin> some of the keys are workinng... like the brightes setting
[14:02] <TheSheep> brightness is hardware
[14:03] <TheSheep> not a hotkey
[14:46] <mr_boo> hi
[14:47] <mr_boo> can i use the floppy/lan method to install xubuntu hardy heron on a laptop?
[14:51] <TheSheep> yes
[14:51] <TheSheep> !install
[14:52] <mr_boo> TheSheep: thanks
[14:52] <TheSheep> mr_boo: best install a command-line system and then install the xubuntu-desktop meta package
[14:52] <mr_boo> ok
[15:57] <alado2> what do i need to change in xubuntu before i replace my ATI video card with a Nvidia one? and where do i do it?
[15:59] <totalwor1age> search for 'nvidia' in installed packages and remove them
[16:00] <totalwor1age> you might also want to reconfigure your X if you want to install the ati drivers in a graphical environment
[16:59] <boxy> hi, i just did an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on a minimal install and i restarted and gdm let me login but the desktop just pops up a terminal and there are no menus or panels or title bar for the terminal
[17:04] <aanderse> in gdm you should try to choose xfce as your session
[17:04] <aanderse> that could be the problem
[17:05] <Boxxxer> hello
[17:05] <aanderse> hi
[17:06] <Boxxxer> i have an issue with the login screen resolution in xubuntu
[17:06] <Boxxxer> i have the xorg.conf everything on default
[17:07] <Boxxxer> i would like to make it to suit my needs
[17:07] <boxy> what if i dont even want to use gdm
[17:07] <boxy> how would i start it right? i tried just startx and i get the same problem
[17:07] <aanderse> boxy: what do you want to use? slim?
[17:07] <boxy> slim?
[17:07] <aanderse> and it's startxfce4, not startx
[17:07] <boxy> oh that may be the problem
[17:08] <boxy> id rather just login in the terminal, if i decide i want a desktop ill open one
[17:08] <boxy> but thanks ill try that real quick
[17:08] <aanderse> yup
[17:08] <aanderse> oh ps....
[17:08] <Boxxxer> when i set the screen resolution in Ubuntu, the xorg.conf is then edited with all the available resolutions, but i can't do that in Xubuntu
[17:08] <Boxxxer> got any ideas=
[17:08] <Boxxxer> ?
[17:09] <aanderse> so your login screen resolution is smaller than your desktop resolution?
[17:09] <Boxxxer> exactly
[17:09] <Boxxxer> it looks very ugly
[17:10] <Boxxxer> my screen resolution is 1280×960
[17:10] <Boxxxer> but the login screen is way off
[17:10] <Boxxxer> i think it's more like a 800×600
[17:11] <Boxxxer> i don't know why wasn't the login screen set to 1280×960 when i set the screen resolution to 1280×960
[17:11] <aanderse> ok, let's start with your xorg.conf... if you could go to /etc/X11/ and paste the contents of xorg.conf to .... something like http://rafb.net/paste/
[17:11] <Boxxxer> just a sec
[17:13] <Boxxxer> okay here it is: http://rafb.net/p/8qCCR292.html
[17:13] <Boxxxer> this is how it looks like
[17:14] <aanderse> oh... yeah xorg just sets itself up nowadays... doesn't it....
[17:14] <Boxxxer> yeah
[17:14] <Boxxxer> but not gor me
[17:14] <Boxxxer> *for
[17:14] <Boxxxer> i've changed the screen resolution to 1280×960@60 but that didn't change xorg.conf
[17:15] <aanderse> you can still use xorg if you want though
[17:15] <aanderse> yeah on my other pc i had to manually set xorg.conf because it couldn't detect it for me
[17:15] <aanderse> what video card do you have?
[17:15] <Boxxxer> ATI Radeon 9550
[17:16] <Boxxxer> it's supported in Ubuntu
[17:16] <aanderse> hmm yeah... i know xorg.conf settings... but xorg is changing so much and i think they are getting away from modifying that file
[17:16] <Boxxxer> when i used Ubuntu, there was an application in which you could set the default monitor and the driver of the graphics card...
[17:17] <Boxxxer> when i poked around with this settings, that changed my xorg.conf
[17:17] <aanderse> an older version of ubuntu?
[17:17] <Boxxxer> no no, the Ubuntu 8.04
[17:18] <aanderse> do you know how to modify xorg.conf properly?
[17:18] <Boxxxer> not really
[17:19] <Boxxxer> do you happen to know the name of the app in Ubuntu in which you set the default screen and set whether you have two screens and the driver of your graphics card?
[17:19] <Boxxxer> i forgot
[17:19] <TheSheep> Boxxxer: displayconfig-gtk
[17:19] <Boxxxer> oh, thanks buddy
[17:20] <Boxxxer> i think i need to install that package
[17:20] <TheSheep> no, it should be installed by default
[17:20] <Boxxxer> hmm
[17:20] <Boxxxer> let me just run it
[17:20] <Boxxxer> yes!!
[17:21] <Boxxxer> i have the same app as i had in ubuntu which then set the proper login screen resolution
[17:21] <Boxxxer> thanks TheSheep
[17:21] <Boxxxer> omg
[17:22] <Boxxxer> now i have another problem
[17:22] <Boxxxer> i can't even change the settings
[17:22] <Boxxxer> everything is greyed out
[17:22] <Boxxxer> now why is that so? hmmm...
[17:23] <Boxxxer> can you give me some help here? it'll be very much appreciated
[17:23] <aanderse> open a terminal
[17:23] <aanderse> and type
[17:23] <aanderse> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[17:23] <Boxxxer> oh!
[17:23] <Boxxxer> i'm so stupid
[17:24] <aanderse> i imagine that will solve your problem
[17:24] <Boxxxer> lol
[17:24] <Boxxxer> yeah it did
[17:24] <Boxxxer> thanks buddy ;)
[17:24] <Boxxxer> you're the best
[17:25] <aanderse> not a problem
[17:26] <Boxxxer> there's a little question now...
[17:26] <Boxxxer> i have ATI Radeon 9550
[17:27] <Boxxxer> and i have to choose the Graphics Card Driver
[17:27] <Boxxxer> i choose ATI as the Manufacturer
[17:27] <Boxxxer> but i don't know which model
[17:27] <Boxxxer> Radeon (fglrx)  perhaps?
[17:28] <Boxxxer> or maybe  Radeon (fbdev) ?
[17:28] <Boxxxer> Radeon (vesa) ?  (what is vesa anyway?)
[17:28] <Boxxxer> Radeon
[17:28] <aanderse> don't know too much about ati's
[17:29] <Boxxxer> or Radeon 8500
[17:29] <Boxxxer> i'm baffled
[17:30] <Boxxxer> Radeon (fbdev) sound like a driver in development
[17:30] <Boxxxer> or maybe not   maybe dev  means device
[17:30] <Boxxxer> hmm
[17:31] <Boxxxer> anyway, thanks for your help
[17:31] <Boxxxer> bye now ;)
[17:48] <Boxxxer> hello again
[17:48] <Boxxxer> i have solved my problem
[17:49] <Boxxxer> thanks to you
[17:49] <Boxxxer> now i need you again ;)
[17:49] <Boxxxer> i can't lock my screen
[17:50] <Boxxxer> and i also can't set those special buttons on my multimedia keyboard to do some action when pressed
[17:51] <Boxxxer> i wanna set my  WWW  button to open my default webbrowser (which is Firefox of course)
[17:51] <Boxxxer> do you have any idea about the lock screen and the keyboard buttons?
[17:56] <aanderse> yup
[17:56] <aanderse> there's a couple options for locking your screen
[17:57] <aanderse> search in synaptic for xlock and you'll get a couple
[17:57] <aanderse> xscreensaver is a pretty good way to do it (pretty good = userfriendly)
[18:05] <Boxxxer> thanks
[18:06] <Boxxxer> i don't know why this isn't installed by default?
[18:06] <Boxxxer> i figure it's because they wanted to make Xubuntu lightweight
[18:06] <Boxxxer> and it's only 500 MB or so
[18:07] <aanderse> i think you'll see xubuntu dramatically improving in the next release or two
[18:07] <aanderse> the new project leader sounds like he's pretty with it
[18:07] <aanderse> listening to what he had to say at UDS and just his general enthusiasm for the project, expect good things
[18:07] <Boxxxer> very nice
[18:08] <Boxxxer> i'm running Xubuntu on a relatively fast machine, but i prefered to install this one just to check it out
[18:09] <Boxxxer> and i must tell you it's great
[18:09] <Boxxxer> i think i'll stick with it
[18:10] <Boxxxer> i had Ubuntu with Extra effects and it worked good
[18:10] <Boxxxer> but as soon as i get everything going here (as i did in Ubuntu) i'll stick with Xubuntu ;)
[18:11] <aanderse> oh xfce is where it's at
[18:11] <aanderse> has nothing to do with the light weight factor for me
[18:11] <aanderse> it's easily configurable
[18:11] <aanderse> and highly configurable
[18:11] <Boxxxer> yeah
[18:11] <Boxxxer> i know
[18:11] <Boxxxer> i love the Settings Manager
[18:11] <aanderse> mhm
[18:11] <Boxxxer> it's cool
[18:12] <Boxxxer> what's the default locking app in Ubuntu named?
[18:12] <aanderse> probably gnome-screensaver ?
[18:13] <Boxxxer> i'll check it out
[18:14] <aanderse> do you use the compositor on xfce?
[18:14] <aanderse> like transparencies? if not, i recommend it :)
[18:14] <Boxxxer> i don't
[18:15] <Boxxxer> shadows are kinda cool but nah, it's okay the way it is... at least for me ;)
[18:15] <aanderse> k
[18:15] <Boxxxer> what is this  Display full screen overlay windows directly  for?
[18:15] <Boxxxer> in Compositor that is
[18:16] <Boxxxer> what does this do?
[18:16] <aanderse> ?
[18:16] <Boxxxer> it's a checkbox
[18:16] <Boxxxer> if it's checked, what does it do?
[18:17] <Boxxxer> oh... please tell me about this Orage (the calendar)
[18:18] <Boxxxer> i clicked it in Settings Manager and now it's popping up every time i boot into the desktop
[18:18] <aanderse> heh
[18:19] <Boxxxer> i wanna get rid of it
[18:19] <Boxxxer> it's so annoying
[18:19] <aanderse> you probably have xfce set to remember what apps you have running
[18:19] <Boxxxer> and it's not present in th
[18:19] <Boxxxer> hmmm, don't know
[18:19] <aanderse> type killall orage
[18:19] <aanderse> then logout
[18:19] <aanderse> then logback in
[18:19] <aanderse> should be gone
[18:20] <Boxxxer> and if i reboot, would it be silenced?
[18:20] <aanderse> has nothing to do with rebooting
[18:20] <aanderse> has to do with logging in, i imagine
[18:20] <Boxxxer> okay
[18:21] <Boxxxer> brb
[18:21] <Boxxxer> yup ;)
[18:21] <Boxxxer> you're right on
[18:22] <Boxxxer> how can i set xfce not to remember those apps i'm running?
[18:22] <Boxxxer> do you happen to recall where that setting is?
[18:23] <aanderse> yup
[18:23] <aanderse> session and startup settings
[18:23] <aanderse> "automatically save session on logout"
[18:23] <Boxxxer> it's not checked
[18:23] <Boxxxer> and it wasn't before
[18:23] <Boxxxer> hmm
[18:24] <Boxxxer> but i have the Prompt on logout checked
[18:24] <Boxxxer> which i always not uncheck
[18:24] <aanderse> then one time you must have saved it?
[18:24] <Boxxxer> yeah
[18:24] <Boxxxer> i must have
[18:24] <Boxxxer> is it possible to remove it?
[18:25] <Boxxxer> like  apt-get remove orage ?
[18:25] <aanderse> yup
[18:25] <aanderse> that will get rid of orage
[18:25] <aanderse> maybe purge instead if you want
[18:25] <aanderse> whatever
[18:25] <Boxxxer> purge?
[18:25] <Boxxxer> isn't that a Gentoo package manager?
[18:25] <aanderse> lol
[18:25] <aanderse> gentoo has a purge option as well, yes
[18:26] <Boxxxer> oh :)
[18:26] <Boxxxer> oh and it's portage
[18:26] <Boxxxer> sorry :/
[18:26] <aanderse> yup
[18:26] <aanderse> mmm portage
[18:26] <Boxxxer> :D
[18:27] <Boxxxer> you like Gentoo?
[18:27] <aanderse> yes and no
[18:27] <aanderse> i like choosing compile flags
[18:27] <aanderse> but i don't like waiting for things to compile
[18:27] <Boxxxer> i had it installed once but i was like in the dark with no matches and stuff, so i removed it
[18:27] <aanderse> you should only use gentoo if you know a fair bit about gnu/linux
[18:28] <Boxxxer> i didn't know how to do stuff in Gentoo i ment to say
[18:28] <Boxxxer> yeah
[18:28] <Boxxxer> i recon
[18:28] <Boxxxer> so with purge i completely remove orage (along with its settings and stuff, right?)
[18:29] <aanderse> yeah purge is good
[18:29] <Boxxxer> so
[18:29] <Boxxxer> apt-get purge orage
[18:29] <Boxxxer> lemme try this baby
[18:30] <Boxxxer> oh... will the icon of Orage also be gone in the Settings Manager?
[18:30] <aanderse> yes
[18:31] <Boxxxer> hmmm
[18:31] <Boxxxer> orage is removed but not the icon
[18:31] <Boxxxer> maybe i need to logout or something
[18:33] <aanderse> could be
[18:33] <Boxxxer> oh, there's no package named gnome-screensaver
[18:34] <Boxxxer> there is an option to add the lock screen icon on the panel, but clicking on it makes no action at all
[18:37] <Boxxxer> brb
[18:39] <Boxxxer> yeah i had to log out and log in in order for that Orage icon in the Settings Manager to disappear
[18:39] <Boxxxer> nice
[18:39] <aanderse> it would be really useful if you filed these things as bugs :)
[18:39] <aanderse> all these little issues pertaining to xfce
[18:40] <Boxxxer> it's not really a bug
[18:40] <Boxxxer> it's more like a annoyance ;)
[18:40] <aanderse> orage not dissappearing from the settings manager is a bug
[18:40] <aanderse> lock screen not working is a bug
[18:40] <aanderse> etc
[18:40] <Boxxxer> oh
[18:40] <Boxxxer> so it should
[18:40] <Boxxxer> hmm
[18:40] <aanderse> you would be directly improving xubuntu if you filed those
[18:40] <Boxxxer> can you help me on this?
[18:41] <aanderse> with what?
[18:41] <Boxxxer> you file the orage bug, i'll file the lock screen bug
[18:41] <Boxxxer> deal? :)
[18:42] <aanderse> if it didn't happen to me, i can't file it because i don't know the details
[18:42] <aanderse> i don't know what package you have installed
[18:42] <aanderse> etc
[18:42] <aanderse> though
[18:42] <aanderse> i'm running debian unstable on this laptop
[18:42] <Boxxxer> this is Xubuntu out-of-the-box
[18:42] <Boxxxer> and it's the only OS i have on my machine
[18:43] <aanderse> i'd have to turn on my other computer and fire up a vm which has xubuntu out of the box on it
[18:43] <Boxxxer> please do
[18:43] <aanderse> so how about you file it, and i'll grab a shower!
[18:43] <aanderse> :p
[18:43] <Boxxxer> hmm :)
[18:43] <Boxxxer> okay :P
[18:43] <aanderse> thanks
[18:43] <Boxxxer> oh
[18:43] <Boxxxer> please tell me _where_ to file it
[18:43] <Boxxxer> that'll be good:)
[18:44] <aanderse> you ever filed a bug ?
[18:44] <Boxxxer> i don't know where is any xubuntu bug tracker on the net
[18:45] <Boxxxer> i know launchpad
[18:45] <aanderse> you ever filed a bug ?
[18:45] <Boxxxer> yup
[18:45] <Boxxxer> more than once actually
[18:45] <Boxxxer> on launchpad
[18:45] <Boxxxer> for ubuntu
[18:45] <Boxxxer> i don't know if that bug tracker is for xubuntu as well
[18:47] <Boxxxer> Featured projects only lists Ubuntu
[18:47] <Boxxxer> do you think that's the same bug tracker for the subproject Xubuntu?
[18:47] <aanderse> not sure, never filed an xubuntu specific bug before actually
[18:48] <aanderse> anywho, i really gotta get going... hopefully someone can help you file the bug!
[18:48] <aanderse> bye for now
[18:51] <Boxxxer> man, i forgot my launchpad email
[18:51] <Boxxxer> darn
[19:00] <Boxxxer> i've gotta go
[19:00] <Boxxxer> talk to ya later buddy
[19:00] <Boxxxer> have fun
[19:00] <Boxxxer> bye now
[19:36] <holo> hi
[19:36] <holo> i installed pulseaudio and now i don't hear anything when i play an mp3
[19:37] <holo> it does play, but the sound doesn't come out
[19:37] <holo> in pavucontrol the sound seems to be activated
[19:37] <holo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[19:37] <holo> i used this tut
[19:48] <Miklos> hello?
[20:42] <nikolam> hi how do i set resolution for login screen?
[20:43] <nikolam> I just installed latest fglrx driver for my Graphicx and login screen is in some wrong resolution
[20:43] <nikolam> I can set it up for my user and wgen i log in, resolution is ok
[20:43] <nikolam> But how to choose default resolution for all users
[20:43] <cody-somerville> nikolam, hmm...
[20:44] <nikolam> and how to make login screen in roght resolution
[20:44] <nikolam> hey ji cody-somerville :)
[20:44] <cody-somerville> I had the same issue
[20:44] <cody-somerville> I just ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and dpkg-reconfigure gdm and it seemed to fix the problem
[20:44] <nikolam> and..
[20:44] <nikolam> I will do just that.
[20:45] <nikolam> it seems that with previous fglrx that didn`t work
[20:45] <nikolam> will try it and i will come back
[20:45] <nikolam> cul8r
[20:45] <nikolam> :)
[20:47] <nikolam> The only problem is that Console swithching (Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, F3...) Does NOT work now... ;*(
[20:50] <aanderse> that's the second person today with a problem with ati + gdm resolution
[20:50] <aanderse> is it a known bug?
[20:55] <sunkim> ive got the same problem as nikolam and cody-somerville but the dpkg-commando didnt work.. it says something like (dpkg:conflicting measures e (--control) and r (--remove)
[20:56]  * burner gets excited about the memory reduction and fuse-inclusion for 8.10 :)  It'll make me use XFCE on my eee again
[20:56] <burner> cody-somerville: you're a suit! ;)
[20:56] <cody-somerville> burner, I _am_ a suit? :P
[20:57] <burner> lookin all corporate in your youtube interview with suit and tie
[20:57] <cody-somerville> lol
[20:57] <burner> it was cool though...  good work man
[20:59] <burner> one question... i didn't hear anything about xubuntu + usb stick booting... any plans?
[20:59] <burner> i haven't tried fedora's creator since it's windows based, but the eeexubuntu dude made a sweet .sh file that would be nothing to include and make a desktop icon for
[20:59] <cody-somerville> there are plans to be able to install it to usb via the desktop installer
[21:00] <burner> but does that "install" it to usb or does it make your usb a "live-cd" ?
[21:00] <burner> i prefer the latter so I can then install xubuntu on eee pcs and other notebooks with no cd rom
[21:00]  * cody-somerville is not sure.
[21:00] <Boxxxer> hello
[21:01] <cody-somerville> burner, I can find out for you.
[21:01] <Boxxxer> aanderse, you here buddy?
[21:01] <aanderse> whats up?
[21:01] <burner> I'm very curious
[21:01]  * cody-somerville nods.
[21:01] <nikolam> I found out that dpkg-reconfigure kills most of previous settings in xorg.conf.
[21:02]  * burner goes back to replacing gnome with xfce on his eee... cheers
[21:02] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:02]  * cody-somerville goes to get ready for dinner. *waveS*
[21:02] <aanderse> Boxxxer: did you file those bugs? ;)
[21:03] <Boxxxer> no :/
[21:03] <aanderse> lol
[21:04] <sunkim> i installed drivers for my graphic card but after that i've got very small resolution and can't change it?
[21:04] <sunkim> help?
[21:04] <Boxxxer> did you run your other computer on which you have Xubuntu out-of-the-box installed
[21:04] <aanderse> anywho, afk so talk to you later
[21:04] <Boxxxer> ?
[21:04] <aanderse> oh, nope
[21:04] <Boxxxer> please do
[21:04] <aanderse> will have to try to reproduce the bug later though, yeah
[21:04] <aanderse> k, ttyl
[21:04] <Boxxxer> and file the bug yourself if you have the time
[21:04] <Boxxxer> be well
[21:14] <Boxxxer_> okay my alt nick is registererd
[21:14] <Boxxxer_> just tell me how to set an e-mail address for the main nick
[21:15] <Boxxxer> sorry, wring channel, lol
[21:15] <Boxxxer> *wrong
[21:27] <WaxyFresh> Would i gain any speed from removing xfceś menu bar and replacing it with kooldock? im on a verrry slow box and want to conserve ram as much as possible
[21:38] <WaxyFresh> No ideas? input?^
[21:44] <WaxyFresh> What can i disable/remove from xubuntu to speed it up some?
[22:01] <WaxyFresh> So from my reading it seems like running kde apps on an xfce sytem will slow it down,does this apply to gnome apps also? sorry im confused here
[22:03] <ddro> I'm a total newbie, but I'm guessing that since gnome is slower than xfce, gnome apps will be slower too. Just a guess though
[22:06] <WaxyFresh> I think it has something to do with kde librarys running slowing on a non-kde desktop enviroment. but im not sure
[22:08] <ddro> okay, xbuntu is almost done installing for the third time on my c600 laptop, so I might as well ask now. Is there an updated guide on getting a linksys wpc54g v3 card to work in xbuntu 7.10 that anyone can point me to? I've tried to follow a couple, and so far I haven't gotten any of them to work. I'm also doing this with no access to internet, as the ethernet card on the top isn't working.
[22:10] <floating_> why did you choose 7.10 over 8.04
[22:10] <floating_> have you searched ubuntu forums or google for installing cards
[22:11] <floating_> those
[22:13] <ddro> I tried 8.04 graphical install, and couldn't get it to install. Since I had the text based install cd for 7.10, I figured I'd just use it. I've been throught about two different guides off the forum, and have tried to pull useful info from a few others that were based on different distros or that required an internet connection, but no luck
[22:17] <ddro> If no one knows of an updated guide, that's cool. I'll try the install again with the most updated guide I know of and ask specific questions here as I go. I just thought I'd see if anyone knew of a specific guide.
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> ddro: what is giving you trouble?
[22:24] <ddro> well, the last few times I've tried, a few things. When i get to the part when I try to blacklist the default driver, I get a message that the blacklist file doesn't exist. I remember having problems getting ndiswrapper or some of it's other packages to install one time, but I'm not quite sure what went wrong. And then there's trying to get the driver to load. the closest I've gotten to a working card is to have ndiswrapper say I have the
[22:35] <WaxyFresh> is ther a way to see if im running any kde native apps?
[23:16] <kibibyte> hi
[23:24] <WaxyFresh> Why hasent anyone been able to answer any of my quesitons? ive been waiting like 2 hours..
[23:25] <WaxyFresh> Sorry for my impatiance my time is kinda limited so i dont get much time to research things like this
[23:25] <holo> hi
[23:25] <holo> I just made a fresh install of xubuntu
[23:26] <holo> and the microphone apears to be dead
[23:26] <WaxyFresh> havew you turned it on in the volume control app?
[23:26] <kappaccino> this channel is like an ant compared to #ubuntu
[23:26] <holo> WaxyFresh, which one?
[23:26] <kappaccino> ._.
[23:28] <holo> WaxyFresh, are you talking about settings -> mixer settings?
[23:28] <holo> yes, everything is set there
[23:29] <homeuser> hello people.
[23:29] <homeuser> My screen is using a resolution that is good but it flickers quite a bit. When focusing on one area, out of peripheral vision all other areas flicker quite a bit....
[23:30] <homeuser> so is that the refresh rate that needs to be adjusted?
[23:30] <kappaccino> did you try adjusting the refresh rate?
[23:30] <homeuser> kappaccino: no. Under Display Preferences, it shows resolution set to Default.
[23:31] <homeuser> kappaccino: If I change it to any others, it is smooth but he resolution is not the same as the current one.... Always a little smaller....
[23:32] <homeuser> kappaccino: but if yo have any suggestions I'd give it a shot.
[23:32] <kappaccino> is there no option for you to change it? (is it an LCD?)
[23:33] <homeuser> kappaccino: there's many givesn options under Default ... such as 1280x900 @60, 1280x900 @75. But none of them is the same resolution as the current one which is really good and the highest I've seen on the system. :)
[23:34] <kappaccino> so this is a CRT monitor or LCD?
[23:34] <homeuser> kappaccino: CRT.
[23:34] <kappaccino> ah
[23:35] <kappaccino> the flickering is probably the fault of low refresh rates
[23:35] <WaxyFresh> holo: yes thats what i was speaking of,besides that i cant help you. there might be opther settings in there you can try but im not sure what.
[23:36] <homeuser> kappaccino: right. So I was curious how to determine the current resolution. Then maybe I can find that one int eh list and with a higher refresh rate.
[23:36] <kappaccino> what size is the monitor?
[23:37] <holo> WaxyFresh, this is really strange... i can't complain about the sound quality for example, its clean as was never before
[23:37] <homeuser> kappaccino: it is a samsung synmaster 750 19".
[23:37] <holo> i'm hearing gladiator soundtrack with such a pleasure :)
[23:37] <homeuser> kappaccino: trying to look up it's supported refresh rates. :) Don't wanna set it to 70 or 85 if it can't support it. :)
[23:39] <kappaccino> homeuser: 1280x1024 would be an optimal resolution for a 19" crt monitor
[23:39] <homeuser> kappaccino: wait. This is a 17".
[23:39] <kappaccino> oh
[23:39] <homeuser> kappaccino: it has been such a logn time using this that I even forgot this monitor was only 17". :)
[23:39] <homeuser> so maybe 1024x768?
[23:40] <kappaccino> yeah try that, I also have a 17" at work and that's what I use
[23:41] <kappaccino> I have the refresh rate set at 75Hz
[23:41] <homeuser> kappaccino: I gnome, it doesn't flicker. Or I never noticed it. In xfce it flicker to the point of giving me a headache. So if I change it here, is it going to be for all X sessions?
[23:41] <homeuser> In other words, I like my gnome settings and I'd rather not mess with those.
[23:42] <kappaccino> I have no idea
[23:42] <homeuser> kappaccino: well then, there's only one way to find out. :)
[23:44] <homeuser> yeah after setting it to even 1152x864 @ 75, it is quit a lower resolution that the "Default"
[23:45] <homeuser> ok, the Default is using 1280x960@60.
[23:45] <homeuser> I wonder if it can be changed somethign in X settings without smoking the monitor.
[23:46] <holo> is it safe to install pulseaudio in hardy without disrupting all my audio settings?
[23:46] <homeuser> ah, max recommended is 1280x1024 @ 66.
[23:47] <homeuser> holo: what is pulseaudio?
[23:47] <holo> homeuser, it's the replacement of esound
[23:48] <holo> its a midleware between aplications and the sound drivers
[23:48] <holo> it can redirect sound stream to whatever one wants, mix sounds, etc
[23:48] <homeuser> oh something like ladspa and jack and all those?
[23:48] <homeuser> oh like JACK?
[23:48] <holo> well, don't know many of the others
[23:49] <holo> but i'm out of clues now in what to do to put my microphone working
[23:50] <holo> suposelly pulseaudio is installed by default in hardy
[23:50] <holo> but i don't see its tools here
[23:51] <holo> ok, pulseaudio sounds like the next big thing, so i'll just install everything from it
[23:52] <homeuser> yeah I'm still googling to see what it is... :)
[23:52] <homeuser> holo: so I don't really have the knowledge to respond to your question. but I maybe learning something new todya. :)
[23:52] <homeuser> *today.
[23:52] <holo> hehe
[23:52] <holo> nice then
[23:53] <homeuser> sorry. :)
[23:54] <holo> no problem, there are 60 people here.. I hope there isn't anyone else here that is sorry not to be able to help me
[23:54] <holo> it would be a sorry chaos
[23:54] <homeuser> hehe.
[23:59] <homeuser> have fun all.
[23:59] <homeuser> kappaccino: thanks for your help. I'm gonna leave it as is. :)


[00:06] <czajkowski> where on earth is ketterling
[00:06] <czajkowski> *kettering
[00:07] <Filbert> the grim north
[00:08] <popey> also an olde hale & pace joke
[00:08] <daftykins> not nearly as warm as kettling
[04:49] <czajkowski> Not gopd
[04:51] <m0nkey_> I have a four letter word in mind. Rhymes with duck.
[04:52] <m0nkey_> 52% leave vs 48% remain
[04:52] <m0nkey_> GBP has already tanked
[04:53] <m0nkey_> Down $1.50 to $1.30
[04:53] <popey> :(
[04:53] <m0nkey_> Canadian dollar took a hit too.. $0.78 to $0.76
[04:53] <m0nkey_> Economically, we're screwed.
[04:54] <m0nkey_> 249K votes required for leave to win
[04:56] <czajkowski> ant believe it's happened
[04:56] <m0nkey_> Seems BBC is calling it.
[04:56] <m0nkey_> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028
[04:58] <czajkowski> aye only 37K votes needed to have it offical
[05:00] <m0nkey_> 37K votes required for leave to win
[05:01] <m0nkey_> Leave has won
[05:01] <m0nkey_> :(
[05:01] <Myrtti> feeling physically sick now
[05:03] <m0nkey_> Arun voted 62.5% leave to 37.5% remain
[05:04] <m0nkey_> Arun was my district
[05:05] <m0nkey_> However, it'll be at least two years before it actually happens.
[05:05] <apt-get-moo> (
[05:05] <m0nkey_> I'm disappointed because I never received my postal vote.
[05:05] <m0nkey_> So I never got my say
[05:05] <Myrtti> I think my Internet today is done
[05:07] <m0nkey_> Me too
[05:11] <m0nkey_> It's happening already: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36611512
[05:27] <m0nkey_> That's enough internet for me tonight.
[05:27] <m0nkey_> Cya
[07:09] <knightwise> Just some more proof that the media is the sheppard of the simple minded sheep
[07:33] <diplo> Morning all
[07:37] <diddledan> Duck
[07:37] <diddledan> Just seen the news
[07:40] <diplo> Cameron standing down too
[07:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:53] <popey> morning brobostigon
[07:53] <brobostigon> morning popey
[07:57] <knightwise> popey: I realy thought that Mycroft was YOU in the beginning of the podcast
[07:57] <knightwise> I thought : WOW , popey is making fun of HPR by doing an HPR style intro to the podcast .. and he is REALY good at it
[07:59] <popey> lulz
[07:59] <popey> we weren't "making fun" btw :)
[08:00] <knightwise> So were you the voice-model for mycroft or is this a freak coïncidence ?
[08:00] <popey> I was
[08:01] <knightwise> So what did ou have to do to "enable" mycroft to talk ? Read every word known to man out loud into a mike ?
[08:01] <popey> https://www.vocalid.co/  - I visited that site and recorded around 3700 sentences
[08:01] <popey> they analyzed them and turned them into a voice file
[08:05] <knightwise> And immortality is now within your grasp !
[08:06] <popey> haha
[08:07]  * TwistedLucidity imagines a Glaswegian vocalid.....
[08:07] <TwistedLucidity> "Mycroft, what's the weather like?" "Dinnae fash pal, it's nae bad."
[08:08] <diplo> I'd use that !!!
[08:08] <diplo> :)
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> I'd do one, but I'm not a Weegie.
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> So you'd a have some weird Norn Iron, Scots, other mash-up. Not pleasant.
[08:11] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/scottsweather.mp3
[08:11] <popey> doesn't sound right
[08:13] <diplo> Will get my gran to do one, that would be hilarious :)
[08:32] <TwistedLucidity> Aye, braw.
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Swim a Lap Day! 😃  🏊
[09:19] <popey> Swim the channel day.
[09:19] <SuperMatt> lawls
[09:19] <foobarry> throw farage in the channel day
[09:20] <foobarry> slow clap day
[09:20] <popey> I really hoped this would be the day we say goodbye to Farage
[09:21] <SuperMatt> so had I
[09:21] <foobarry> democracy is only good if your country aren't numpties
[09:24] <daftykins> wow graphics cards got big https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8iiftw23glst03v/AAAD3QXUYgpmkNdK2LYNVJqca?dl=0
[09:27] <diplo> Tis huge!
[09:27] <diplo> Late it flat and it's probably ove rhalf the size of the mobo :P
[09:29] <daftykins> :)
[09:29] <daftykins> lovely nvidia 1070 \o/
[09:29] <diplo> lay it*
[09:29] <diplo> I'd love one, need the rest of the machine though too
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: Is the GNU/Linux compatibility good?
[09:30] <daftykins> mmm, i did that back in April
[09:30] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity: haha, yeah i'm going to drop £360 on a graphics card and then castrate it by running an OS that hamstrings it
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> I kinda thought that would be the case.
[09:33] <daftykins> sorry, i just find it a funny commonality in Linux channels :)
[09:33] <daftykins> i might boot a distro for fun later, but i don't think it'd work very well from nouveau :D
[09:34] <daftykins> this is my first time using displayport too o0 my lovely 2008 Dell LCDs have had v1.1 support all this time, first time i've owned hardware with it though
[09:34] <TwistedLucidity> Now that SteamOS seem to be basically dead, I don't hold out much hope for nvidia getting their act together
[09:35] <TwistedLucidity> All my kit is too old to have new fangled things like displayport.
[09:35] <daftykins> although AMD are allegedly turning things around with their new open driver, i have read rumours that their new Radeon RX480 has driver issues in the hands of reviewers... on Windows :|
[09:57] <brobostigon> it seems my fiance voted out, so disappointed.
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: Oh dear.
[09:59] <brobostigon> exactly.
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> People have a right to their opinion. If there is a coherent argument behind is (even one you disagree with), at least you can respect that.
[10:02] <diplo> brobostigon: you voting her out now ? :D
[10:02] <popey> friend of mine posted on fb... "Can anyone who's friends with me who voted leave please identify yourself."
[10:03] <diplo> Although I do agree with TwistedLucidity :)
[10:03] <popey> made me chuckle
[10:03] <foobarry>  TwistedLucidity , started watching that dog porgramme
[10:03] <diplo> Seen quite a few of those posts now popey
[10:03] <brobostigon> diplo: vote out my fiance? well, no.
[10:03] <foobarry> first scene was a tunnel i had walked thru in bethnal green earlier that day
[10:03] <foobarry> i know where the dog hideout was
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Yikes
[10:03] <foobarry> and the caravan site thing
[10:04] <foobarry> i would not bring kids up in e london
[10:05] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: yes, i respect her decision.
[10:06] <foobarry> i always thought 50% were below average intelligence. turns out its 52%
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> I think a big problem was the low Remain turn-out and the poor Remain campaign (which Crobyn has to carry a lot of blame for)
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> Anyway... !politics
[10:09] <popey> I agree. Corbyn was worse than useless.
[10:09] <foobarry> because he is an outy
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> Did you see him on "The Last Leg"?
[10:09] <popey> no
[10:09] <foobarry> but his lips said inny
[10:09] <popey> can't watch that programme
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, it can be quite funny. Nick Clegg came across really well. As in, a decent person. Corbyn...err...damp facecloth
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> Depends on your humour I guess
[10:10] <popey> Yeah, I quite like Nick Clegg as a human
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> I won't repeat why my g/f said about Farage....
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> "what"
[10:53] <diplo> Does this mean we can no longer enter the EuroVision content?!?
[10:54] <daftykins> XD
[10:54] <diplo> Friends daughter laid off by German logistics co in UK who announced they are closing, effective this morning. And so it starts. < emeacludguy on twitter
[10:54] <diplo> Didn't think things would happen so quickly
[10:55] <daftykins> pff
[10:55] <daftykins> the sensationalism will, yes
[10:55] <diplo> I guess it's also an excuse to be able to do it as well
[10:56] <daftykins> totally, i'm sure there's some substance to it but maybe someone is just throwing their toys out
[10:57] <diplo> :)
[10:57] <popey> diplo: given Australia are in Eurovision....
[10:58] <diplo> hehe I did think about it after i typed it :)
[10:58] <popey> diplo: no such twitter account...
[10:59] <popey> ah, dick
[10:59] <daftykins> bit rude ;)
[10:59] <popey> it's his name
[10:59] <diplo> Yeah, lives down the road from me
[10:59] <daftykins> yeah that's what the wink was
[10:59] <popey> https://twitter.com/EMEACloudGuy/status/746294717655158784
[10:59] <popey> kk
[11:00] <popey> for the logs, clarifying :)
[11:00] <daftykins> :D
[11:00] <diplo> Couldn't link from my client and was too lazy to open up browser :D
[11:00] <daftykins> i was over at a clients + friend of my dads Dick the other day, who was working in the house with his colleagues husband Dick just to keep it simple
[11:01] <diplo> heh
[11:02] <daftykins> hehe xe.com is getting trashed with everyone looking at currency stuffs
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> time for people to check their holiday money jar for all those foreign coins...
[11:02] <popey> this is handy...
[11:02] <popey> https://dwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net/dailyfx/widgetembed/?symbol=FX%3AGBPUSD&interval=D&hidesidetoolbar=0&symboledit=1&toolbarbg=f4f7f9&studies=&hideideas=1&theme=White&timezone=exchange&studies_overrides=%7B%7D&overrides=%7B%7D&enabled_features=%5B%5D&disabled_features=%5B%5D&locale=en&utmsource=www.dailyfx.com&utmmedium=www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usd
[11:03] <popey> realtime
[11:03] <popey> shows the long view too
[11:03] <daftykins> ooh thank ye, i was trying to find something to support the whole 'crash' news but couldn't find anyones that was loading
[11:04] <daftykins> definitely not as good as $1.50 to the £1 was, it's going to sting a bit more if i go to the US this year now!
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> someone will be sitting somewhere with a white cat thinking, i could buy uk now...
[11:05] <diplo> Got fairly low in March as well then
[11:05] <daftykins> i take it somewhere, someone did a Python parody scene "What did the EU ever do for us?"
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> today is not over yet
[11:08] <popey> yes daftykins, Patrick Stewart
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> It was a good read too
[11:08] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA
[11:08] <popey> tis fun
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, didn't know he'd done a vid too
[11:12] <diplo> What a day, now a non-confidence proposal put on Corbyn :/
[11:12] <popey> Good.
[11:13] <TwistedLucidity> Apparently the Little Englanders are now beginning to wonder what leaving the EU means (according to Google search requests)
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> let me guess no one concensus?
[11:15] <TwistedLucidity> I don't think the concensus can be stated in a family-friendly channel. But is does rhyme with "Tucked"
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> mucked up, yup
[11:15] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, mucked up. Ahem.
[11:15] <popey> :)
[11:17] <popey> ALL CHANGE! Everybody out!
[11:23] <daftykins> popey: hehe knew someone had to!
[11:25] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: He has been a waste of space. Which is a shame as it was nice to have a different voice in British politics for once.
[11:26] <popey> +1
[11:26] <popey> different voice, no backbone
[11:27] <diplo> Ed Miliband was also bad, if his brother had been voted in I'd have probably voted for labour as would a lot of people I know
[11:31] <Laney> Interesting isn't it
[11:31] <Laney> The expected coalition would have ditched the referendum promise
[11:31] <TwistedLucidity> popey: So...different voice, same backbone (i.e. none)
[11:31] <popey> Laney: really, didnt know that.
[11:32] <TwistedLucidity> Yup, Lib Dems were against it
[11:32] <popey> That Nick Clegg, he had his faults, but he was a nice chap :)
[11:32] <Laney> So you can blame this on the pollsters in the last parliament
[11:32] <Laney> :P
[11:34] <foobarry> nick who?
[11:40] <knightwise> Yet another perfect example of : He who owns the media , ownes the world
[11:40] <ali1234> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/coinbaseGBP#rg2zig15-minztgMzm1g10zm2g25 :D :D :D
[11:56] <popey> So, Tom Watson for Labour leader?
[12:05] <diplo> Didnt even know who he was till I googled him :/
[12:21] <foobarry> i used to like tom w, but realised he was a douche too
[12:24] <foobarry> douche about Iraq war, subsequent investigation, expenses and the leon brittan thing was horrific
[12:26] <TwistedLucidity> Is there an MP worth supporting? Seems that by the time they gain power, they've become tainted
[12:27] <ali1234> we'll probably end up with chris leslie
[12:27] <ali1234> he's basically a clone of tony blair
[12:27] <ali1234> he's the unofficial leader of what remains of new labour
[12:29] <Myrtti> let's try this getting up from bed thing again
[12:29] <Myrtti> maybe with chocolate and ice cream
[12:29] <Myrtti> and orange soda, and chicken.
[12:30] <foobarry> this pi zero was never meant to be networked
[12:30] <foobarry> get to choose keyboard or wifi
[12:30] <foobarry> need to find my usb hub
[12:31] <popey> do both usb ports function as usb?
[12:31] <popey> can you thus power it from the gpio pins?
[12:32] <foobarry> don't think so, but gonna check
[12:34] <foobarry> One is a Power only, the other is Data only
[12:35] <foobarry> have an issue where i need to configure the wifi device
[12:35] <foobarry> think it needs the nonfree firmware package
[12:36] <foobarry> might try a non powered hub but suspect it wont work
[12:36] <popey> yeah, i had this issue
[12:37] <popey> had to use a hub
[12:37] <popey> powered one
[13:48] <daftykins> who knows that feeling when you pick up low fat cheese because it's 50% in the supermarket, you convince yourself to get it and it's never as good :(
[13:48] <daftykins> 50% off, even
[13:50] <diplo> It's 50% off for a reason :P
[13:50] <daftykins> beware people, this is what island life outside the EU is ;)
[13:52] <TwistedLucidity> I messed up in Lidl, but in reverse.  Grabbed the full-fat by mistake...soooooo rich. Soooo fatty. Bleurgh.
[13:52] <daftykins> haha, fight through!
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> A small bit dolloped on top of cereal would have been fine, but I had a bowl of the stuff!
[13:54] <daftykins> D:
[14:55] <ali1234> i just sent 6 laserjat cartridges back to HP. post off ice man was not happy
[15:03] <diplo> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[15:03] <diplo> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[15:03] <diplo> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[15:03] <diplo> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[15:03] <diplo> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[15:03] <diplo> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[15:04] <popey> uh-huh
[15:04] <diplo> dunno what happened there :D
[15:05] <diplo> Ah another keyboard slipped on f-keys I think
[15:18]  * Seeker` reconnects diplo's sockets
[15:19] <TwistedLucidity> Is this the channel for that sort of thing?
[15:19]  * TwistedLucidity summons the spirit of Whitehouse
[15:26] <arsenip> How's the mood on the isles of taxinium, daftykins ?:D
[15:27] <daftykins> hrmm dunno! i don't even follow local news :)
[15:29] <daftykins> arsenip: how's life in arsenipland? :>
[15:31] <arsenip> not bad not bad! apparently the world has ended but i see blue sky here :s
[15:42] <daftykins> i've heard some very odd comments from UK folks yeah, one mate up in Brighton acting all down about things
[15:42] <daftykins> s'like er, i don't see what's gonna change your life :P
[15:43] <arsenip> indeed, we'll see!
[18:16] <ali1234> is there any point buying a 6700K if i don't want to overclock?
[18:23] <daftykins> ali1234: i chose a 6700 vanilla since it's 65W instead of 91W TDP and includes a nice retail heatsink
[18:24] <ali1234> but isn't the 6700K only 91W if you only overclock it? otherwise it is exactly the same?
[18:24] <daftykins> buying the K, you've got more power then... need to source a heatsink too i'm pretty sure - and then it's only a bit faster
[18:24] <daftykins> nah that's its' set TDP
[18:25] <daftykins> it's probably down to whether you run more single or multithreaded workloads
[18:25] <ali1234> i run exclusively multithreaded
[18:25] <daftykins> so you'd benefit from the consistent higher clocks of the K
[22:15] <sebsebseb> hi


[09:08] <vila> oh, hi all !
[09:36] <mgz> morning all
[09:37] <jelmer> hi mgz, vila
[09:38] <vila> _o/
[09:39] <lelit> hi everybody! I'm trying to understand the "remove-branch" command, and fail to see its purpose. My goal is to "retire" some remote branch, after it was merged in trunk and thus not anymore "active"...
[09:39] <lelit> trying that command, I see it apparently deletes only the .bzr/branch subdir of the branch...
[09:41] <lelit> given that the remote branches are in a "shared" repo (for a given user), is it safe to simply "rm -rf" the single branch, or does that corrupt the shared repo in some way?
[09:43] <mgz> lelit: it's safe.
[09:47] <lelit> great, thanks. OOC, do you know the purpose of the remove-branch command? when is it useful?
[09:57] <mgz> lelit: not removing remote workingtrees with it is arguably a bug. mostly it rmbranch does just boil down to rm, the command exists so there's a consistent interface for different branch schemes
[09:58] <lelit> I see, thank you
[11:13] <mgz> I bet half these bzr-explorer file watcher bugs are just from accidentally including .bzr in the followed paths
[11:13] <mgz> which then clashes with bzr trying to do internal work there at the same time
[11:15] <vila> mgz: be bold, bet on the other half ;)
[11:24] <mgz> the rest seems to be other misc locking/permission failures - some IDE holding files open, etc
[11:26] <mgz> woho! failures.
[11:53] <mgz> is there a way to get merge to not set the submit branch on things?
[11:54] <mgz> I do too much editing of .bzr/branch/branch.conf as it is, and I merge sideways more than up.
[11:57] <lelit> btw, a coworker yesterday asked me the difference between "submit-branch" and "push-branch", and I didn't find a satisfactory answer...
[12:28] <vila> mgz: --no-remember
[12:29] <vila> lelit: push_location is where push goes, submit_branch is where you merge from (the assumption is that it's where you *will* submit)
[12:30] <lelit> thnx
[12:30] <vila> mgz: also, 'bzr config --remove submit_branch
[12:30] <vila> mgz: or 'bzr config submit_branch=<here, and nowhere else from now on>'
[12:35] <mgz> ah, yes, `bzr config` is a bit easier than editing stuff in .bzr for single changes, slower when you want to nuke a bunch of stuff though :)
[12:36] <mgz> an option to not do it in the first place would be nice, lots of merges aren't from a submit location
[13:31] <vila> mgz: 'bzr merge --no-remember ../one-shot' ?
[13:34] <mgz> next time I'll try and remember no remember but I doubt I'll remember
[13:34] <mgz> okay, end of qbzr time and start of lunch time
[13:34] <vila> .. which is why the default is --remember :-P
[13:49] <vila> mgz: a fun one for you: try to make a test called 'test_base_dir' succeed
[13:50] <vila> mgz: rats, the missing bit is also a spoiler :-/ The test should inherit from TestCaseInTempDir
[14:01] <wgz> a repeat of bug 581298 maybe? :)
[14:02] <vila> oooooh :)
[14:02] <vila> indeed
[14:36] <mgz> right, time to work out what to do with trace
[18:03] <dannf> the libvirt/qemu-kvm UDD trees on LP seem to be hosed - attempts to branch from them give an error
[18:04] <dannf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/762973/
[18:04] <dannf> is this the right place to look for help on that?
[18:04] <jelmer> dannf: hi
[18:04] <jelmer> dannf: this is the right place
[18:05] <dannf> jelmer: cool
[18:05] <jelmer> dannf: this is bug 848064
[18:07] <dannf> jelmer: sounds like reimporting might be an option? what does that entail?
[19:51] <poolie> hi all
[20:17] <wgz> hey poolie!
[20:17] <poolie> hi there
[20:28] <GRiD> hi poolie, wgz
[20:36]  * wgz waves at GRiD
[21:08] <dvheumen> Hi, want to check something, just to be sure: If I create a symlink, add it to the working copy and then change my mind and 'bzr revert symlink'. Then it should not delete the symlink right?
[21:08] <dvheumen> (add --> not yet commit)
[21:13] <dvheumen> I'm asking because I think it's a bug in bzr
[21:24] <abentley> dvheumen: No, we have special handling for files when reverting, but not for other types.  If you want to unversion the symlink without deleting it, "bzr remove --keep" will do that.
[21:25] <dvheumen> abentley, then you don't consider this undesired behavior?
[21:25] <abentley> dvheumen: correct.
[21:25] <dvheumen> hmm... okay ...
[21:26] <dvheumen> btw, do you mean remove or revert?
[21:26] <abentley> dvheumen: I mean remove.
[21:27] <dvheumen> so, in the case of revert?
[21:27] <dvheumen> it seems strange to me to delete something that hasn't been under control in the first place
[21:28] <abentley> dvheumen: Revert tries to return to to your previous state.   It doesn't consider how you got there.
[21:28] <dvheumen> yeah exactly, so why delete a symlink that was 'originally' there before I added it to the working copy
[21:29] <abentley> dvheumen: Because the previous state is the last-committed state, and that didn't have a symlink.
[21:29] <abentley> dvheumen: We do the same with directories.
[21:30] <dvheumen> but you make an exception for files then, doesn't that seem strange?
[21:31] <abentley> dvheumen: Even with files, the exception is based on filetype, not based on whether you added them without committing.
[21:32] <abentley> dvheumen: And we make that exception because deleting a file can cost the user a lot of data, whereas directories and symlinks don't contain much data in and of themselves.
[21:32] <dvheumen> hmmm... okay, in that case it's not a bug :P
[21:32] <dvheumen> (although I'm not completely sold on the reason ;-)
[21:33] <dvheumen> (yet)
[21:33] <dvheumen> thanks :)
[21:36] <abentley> dvheumen: The more junk you leave in the way, the more you open yourself up to conflicts later on when tree updates create an entity with the same name.
[21:37] <dvheumen> abentley, yeah, that's true. However, this symlink probably has some meaning and when I revert I would do this with a thought such as "on second thought, no I don't want to do this versioning operations". And it wouldn't occur to me that I'm actually deleting a file, changing a directory structure.
[21:38] <dvheumen> so I'm accidentally touching something that I wouldn't expect
[21:38] <dvheumen> although, maybe I should do some more reading, since it *is* reported that the symlink gets deleted
[21:39] <abentley> dvheumen: Sure.  But there are tradeoffs here, and there isn't *much* meaning in the symlink.
[21:39] <dvheumen> yeah, I know :)
[21:40] <dvheumen> I should just get used to this behavior
[21:42] <dvheumen> anyways, you're just in time ... I hadn't yet submitted the bug report :P
[21:42] <abentley> dvheumen: You can also use shelve --all as an alternative to revert.  That will allow you to correct any surprising behaviour.
[21:42] <dvheumen> I'll keep that in mind
[22:09] <jelmer_> hey poolie, welcome back
[22:13] <poolie> hi there, thanks
[22:41] <LeoNerd> bzr checkout; edit stuff... bzr commit --local {because the laptop was offline}
[22:41] <LeoNerd> How do I now push it upstream?  bzr push  claims no location known or specified. I know I -can- copypasta from  bzr info  but that feels awkward and hackish
[22:44] <LeoNerd> Ahhh.. bzr push :bound
[22:44]  * LeoNerd read  bzr help location-aliases
[23:20] <Noldorin_> hi folks.
[23:20] <Noldorin_> is there any way to provide secure access to a bzr server other than via SSH?
[23:21] <jelmer> Noldorin: over http/https
[23:22] <jelmer> or, alternatively, if you don't require a smart server you can also use sftp/ftp, smb, ...
[23:24] <Noldorin__> jelmer sftp is still ssh... but yes the other options sound appealing. how does https speed compare to smart server?
[23:24] <Noldorin__> (with ssh)
[23:25] <jelmer> Noldorin_: the smart server can be used over HTTPS as well, though it requires some setup
[23:25] <Noldorin__> ah right
[23:25] <Noldorin__> jelmer, but not ftp?
[23:26] <jelmer> Noldorin_: right, it would be pretty hard to tunnel something custom over ftp :-)
[23:26] <Noldorin__> yeah heh
[23:26] <Noldorin__> i could imagine!
[23:27] <Noldorin__> jelmer, hmm will have a look, thanks for tip
[23:27] <Noldorin__> be back in a bit
[23:27] <jelmer> Noldorin__: ssh should be simplest to setup though (hardly any setup at all), any reason you're not using that?
[23:28] <Noldorin__> jelmer, alas, windows server = ssh (almost) impossible
[23:28] <Noldorin__> unless some has some good tips for it
[23:28] <Noldorin__> tried a lot, but always some sort of error.
[23:28] <Noldorin__> hmm
[23:30] <Noldorin__> openssh for windows just isn't maintained :-(
[23:30] <Noldorin__> maybe there are decent commercial solutions. who knows
[23:30] <jelmer> ah, hmm
[23:30] <jelmer> I don't have any experience with SSH servers on Windows
[23:31] <Noldorin__> yeah. not sure many in the world do :-P
[23:31] <Noldorin__> you use openssh sshd on linux though yes?
[23:32] <jelmer> Noldorin__: yep
[23:34] <Noldorin__> jelmer, maybe cygwin environment then...hard for windows services though
[23:34] <Noldorin__> hmm
[23:35] <Noldorin__> brb restarting
[23:58] <Noldorin> jelmer, back
[23:58] <jelmer> hi Noldorin
[23:58] <Noldorin> hi
[23:58] <Noldorin> did you have any thoughts while i was gone?
[23:59] <jelmer> I had plenty, but nothing about SSH on Windows I'm afraid..
[23:59] <Noldorin> heh
[23:59] <Noldorin> fair enough