[03:59] <Curlydave> the get_update worked, but it's still giving me the same error when i do the first stepj on th ewiki
[03:59] <bob2> xvers: put that line in a script in ~/bin/, then go to system -> preferences -> session, and add it to your session
[03:59] <count0nz> Breezy Badger screens
[03:59] <count0nz> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=342&slide=27&title=ubuntu+linux+5.10+colony+1+breezy+badger+screenshots
[03:59] <xvers> bob2: ok, ill try, thanks
[04:00] <DefHandz> :O count0nz it = prrreeeetyy
[04:00] <DefHandz> :-
[04:00] <DefHandz> :P
[04:00] <bob2> Curlydave: show us what you ran and what it outputted
[04:00] <count0nz> :P
[04:00] <count0nz> DefHandz, :)
[04:00] <bob2> ideally in #flood
[04:00] <DefHandz> But its Gnome X_X
[04:00] <bob2> wow, it looks identical to hoary
[04:00] <DefHandz> Heh.
[04:00] <DefHandz> I use KDE
[04:01] <Tezkah> xfce for hooray
[04:01] <Curlydave> log flood coming...
[04:01] <^thehatsrule^> flux  more even more :P
[04:01] <Curlydave> i appologize in advance
[04:01] <bob2> #flood
[04:01] <Curlydave> david@amd64:~$ sudo apt-get update
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B]
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg [189B]
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg [189B]
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B]
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[04:01] <crimsun> please don't flood here
[04:01] <bob2> please
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release [16.9kB]
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[04:01] <bitsmash> hahaha ask your haircutter for a pre shampoo #64 light gel
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:6 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release [16.8kB]
[04:01] <bob2> come on dude
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[04:01] <Quest-Master> lol
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Sources
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release.gpg
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[04:01] <DefHandz> .....
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[04:01] <LinuxJones> Curlydave,  wtf ?
[04:01] <bitsmash> a website with haircut description codes lol
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Sources
[04:01] <nali0th> bob2 once you start, it's hard to stop LOL
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Sources
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages
[04:01] <thr1ce> stop
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Sources
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release.gpg
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[04:01] <LinuxJones> kick please
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release.gpg
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[04:01] <thr1ce> someone kick him
[04:01] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[04:01] <^thehatsrule^> guess its only a ignore
[04:01] <Curlydave> Get:7 ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release [1348B]
[04:02] <DefHandz> Gahhh
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages
[04:02] <bob2> oh, stop whinging
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages
[04:02] <nali0th> DefHandz: did you get yourself fixed up?
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Sources
[04:02] <Xgates> never thought I'd mess with 2.6.11x hehe
[04:02] <bitsmash> inform flooder! inform!
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Sources
[04:02] <Curlydave> Get:8 ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release [2528B]
[04:02] <Xgates> but .10 dont run all that hot either
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release
[04:02] <Quest-Master> Curlydave! Stop!
[04:02] <Curlydave> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages
[04:02] <Jormundgand> You lot don't understand. He's already hit Ctrl-V and pressed Enter.  I was pointed to the sources.list site and i'll replace the one i have now with it
[04:02] <^thehatsrule^> he could if he killed his client i guess?
[04:02] <Jormundgand> IRC has no remote echo. The client echoes everything for you, so you don't get the lag others get.
[04:03] <crimsun> he's probably not using irssi ;)
[04:03] <DefHandz> Hopefully it will work
[04:03] <Hackmo> ok all, got a new problem
[04:03] <DefHandz> I cant do it until Wednesday
[04:03] <Hackmo> I just some how messed up my sound
[04:03] <jamminpotato> what does everyone here use as tehre  linux music player of choice?
[04:03] <bob2> Curlydave: ok, seriously, don't do that again
[04:03] <bob2> Curlydave: #flood
[04:03] <Hackmo> jamminpotato: xmms
[04:03] <bob2> Curlydave: also, you didn't do what I told you to
[04:03] <nali0th> DefHandz: more repos? can you post the URL? i always interested in new repos
[04:03] <bob2> the marillat lines are not commented out
[04:03] <DefHandz> Er..
[04:03] <DefHandz> Ok.
[04:04] <DefHandz> I think its just a normal one
[04:04] <DefHandz> http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[04:04] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:04] <nali0th> DefHandz: ah
[04:04] <Hackmo> What's the command do configure alsa?
[04:04] <DefHandz> That guy I was talking to messed me up, i didnt know what I was changing...
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> my audio latency is 1.33ms
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> yay
[04:04] <DefHandz> He was all wrong...
[04:04] <crimsun> Hackmo: what issues are you having with alsa
[04:04] <DefHandz> -_-
[04:05] <DefHandz> I also dont understand what repositories DO.
[04:05] <Hackmo> crimsun: I don't know if the issue is with alsa, I just restarted my computer and now no sound will play
[04:05] <crimsun> Hackmo: what sound chipset(s)?
[04:05] <nickrud> DefHandz, repositories are where trusted people put software you can use.
[04:05] <Hackmo> crimsun: and when I try to play a song in xmms it says that I should check that my I should check that I have the correct output plugin selected
[04:05] <DefHandz> Ohhh...
[04:05] <nali0th> DefHandz: yes, reading the wiki and the guide are good first steps
[04:05] <jorgp> is there a mini install, I am dialup and dont really want to download 500Meg
[04:05] <DefHandz> Heh
[04:06] <thr1ce> Hackmo, under sound plugins, try using esd
[04:06] <Hackmo> crimsun: it's onboard sound on my abit motherboard
[04:06] <thr1ce> jorgp, shipit.ubuntu.com
[04:06] <nickrud> DefHandz, yeah, it's pretty cool. over all
[04:06] <LinuxJones> jorgp, you can get Ubuntu cd's sent to you for free :)\
[04:06] <Curlydave> thank you very much bob for the help
[04:06] <DefHandz> nali0th, if Cedega works, and I get Steam working, what should I do? What do I do with Kubuntu?
[04:06] <DefHandz> XD
[04:06] <Curlydave> i found the lines and commented them, now at the reboot step...
[04:06] <DefHandz> What do you suggest installing
[04:06] <crimsun> Hackmo: snd-intel8x0?
[04:06] <jorgp> thr1ce: I did that, 4-6 weeks :(
[04:06] <bitsmash> does nvidia nf2 onboard sound work these days?
[04:06] <crimsun> Hackmo: what's the lspci -v line?
[04:06] <nali0th> DefHandz: kubuntu? enjoy it
[04:06] <DefHandz> I want Mozilla Firefox and Firebird again, obviously...
[04:06] <crimsun> bitsmash: it has for some time.
[04:07] <DefHandz> I just dont know what Linux offers.
[04:07] <DefHandz> For programs I mean
[04:07] <thr1ce> jorgp, find a friend with cable and a cd burner...dunno what to say; 500 mb is small for a distro
[04:07] <jorgp> LinuxJones: I ordered the cd's the FAQ said to expect 4-6 weeks
[04:07] <Hackmo> crimsun: a lot comes up when I do that command
[04:07] <crimsun> Hackmo: yes, I only need the multimedia line pertaining to audio
[04:07] <LinuxJones> jorgp, it will probably take that long to install Ubuntu over dialup :D
[04:07] <nali0th> DefHandz: with the exceptions of some windows games, linux has everything that windows does
[04:07] <DefHandz> Hehe
[04:07] <DefHandz> Figured
[04:08] <DefHandz> The only thing I find different is installing programs. I dont understand the file system that much either...
[04:08] <DefHandz> Ext3
[04:08] <DefHandz> and swap
[04:08] <DefHandz> O_O
[04:08] <thr1ce> linux uses memory much differnetly
[04:08] <nali0th> DefHandz: if you open synaptic, you can spend quite a bit of time searchinga and browsing all the available software
[04:08] <DefHandz> Hm..
[04:08] <bob2> DefHandz: ex3 is a type of filesystem, like ntfs or fat32.
[04:08] <thr1ce> the reason it can run for days/weeks/months without being rebooted
[04:08] <DefHandz> I know that, I meant what is it :P
[04:08] <bob2> it's ext3.
[04:09] <biovore> he having drive shock, not c:\ or a:\
[04:09] <thr1ce> that's like asking what ntfs is
[04:09] <DefHandz> XD
[04:09] <jorgp> LinuxJones: well, I am downloading the install cd now via jigdo
[04:09] <DefHandz> Exactly biovore.
[04:09] <nali0th> DefHandz: "EXTended filesystem number 3"
[04:09] <bob2> unix doesn't do drives
[04:09] <DefHandz> I'm all "oh my god..I have to mount stuff?"
[04:09] <biovore> that how everyone to the unix world is like
[04:09] <IIIEars> DefHandz - synaptic is a grea thing one click install. "sudo dpkg -i your_app_name" handles the rest
[04:09] <biovore> in VMS it get even more wacky
[04:09] <DefHandz> Aw man...I wish I had known about Synaptic
[04:10] <waseem> how do you play dvd's?
[04:10] <`psycho> does anyone here know how to work with webmin?
[04:10] <Hackmo> crimsun: check your pm
[04:10] <crimsun> Hackmo: I have none.
[04:10] <bob2> waseem: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:10] <biovore> waseem look at mplayerhq.hu or google for xine
[04:10] <DefHandz> Heh. I also noticed that I can watch videos without it being slow. Windows always had a delay between the sound and video, especially because my pc is slow...
[04:10] <DefHandz> But, it runs them faster.
[04:10] <DefHandz> :P
[04:11] <Hackmo> crimsun: sorry, I spelled your name wrong, check again
[04:11] <crimsun> Hackmo: ok, so snd-via82xx
[04:11] <DefHandz> Overall, I love Linux
[04:11] <DefHandz> :0
[04:11] <crimsun> Hackmo: lsmod|grep snd_via82xx
[04:11] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - Linux doesn't need as many intrusive "life support" apps anti virus, registry monitor, etc.
[04:12] <crimsun> Hackmo: use #flood for pastes
[04:12] <LinuxJones> jorgp, thankfully there are not many changes from the Hoary release date till now, probably under 15 megs since the original release.
[04:12] <DefHandz> What about paste-bin?
[04:12] <nali0th> DefHandz: also, linux is coded for ALL the features the the CPU offer, not just a half-assed "it boots, ship it" attitude like m$
[04:13] <nickrud> pastebin is dead at the moment, can someone suggest an alternative?
[04:13] <bob2> going to a website is more annoying for people helping you than just switching irc windows
[04:13] <DefHandz> No it isnt
[04:13] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:13] <Curlydave> k another question about TI driver installation
[04:13] <DefHandz> Pastebin is working fine.
[04:13] <finn> anyone know if there's an easy way to automatically start a second login screen on alt-f7... like when you go new-login from the apps/system tools menu, except without having to do it every time
[04:13] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - Ubuntu is the best linux out there i have tried more than a dozen. - excellent sup-port here also if you have any questions.
[04:13] <Curlydave> on step 3
[04:13] <E0x> hello
[04:13] <DefHandz> Ears, I've noticed that :P You guys give great support.
[04:13] <LinuxJones> nickrud, pastebin.ca
[04:13] <bob_> how do I add an application like Python to the popup menu?  Is there a program that does that?
[04:13] <DefHandz> I'm enjoying learning this, especially since i've been force fed Windows my whole life.
[04:13] <DefHandz> -_-
[04:13] <nickrud> LinuxJones, thanks
[04:13] <Hackmo> crimsun: check #flood
[04:14] <jorgp> LinuxJones: thats good
[04:14] <E0x> 2 question , #1 how i can make mplayer the default player , #2 mplayer-custom dont have gui enable ?
[04:14] <DefHandz> Cisco NetAcad this year, all about WIndows. Of course ;)
[04:14] <E0x> thx
[04:14] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - Welcome to Ubuntu! :)
[04:14] <DefHandz> :)
[04:14] <LinuxJones> jorgp, since your on dialup, that's gold :)
[04:14] <crimsun> Hackmo: looks good. Now paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[04:14] <DefHandz> Proud to be part of teh community
[04:14] <IIIEars> << -- less than a month using Ubuntu.
[04:15] <DefHandz> Hm.
[04:15] <LinuxJones> DefHandz, glad to have another convert :)
[04:15] <DefHandz> Hehe.
[04:15] <DefHandz> I'm normally DefHand on freenode, but I lost my password here.
[04:15] <thr1ce> DefHandz, this is freenode
[04:15] <thr1ce> lol
[04:15] <rushmore> ??
[04:15] <DefHandz> I know :P
[04:15] <Hackmo> crimsun: ok, http://pastebin.com/287726
[04:15] <DefHandz> You know what I meant, I hope X_X
[04:15] <rushmore> 0.0
[04:16] <DefHandz> Hm...
[04:16] <rushmore> hehe
[04:16] <DefHandz> How well does Cedega run?
[04:16] <rushmore> call bob
[04:16] <IIIEars> DefHands - Can you mask your IP?
[04:17] <E0x> DefHandz: work fine here
[04:17] <DefHandz> I'm not sure.
[04:17] <DefHandz> :P
[04:17] <DefHandz> I;ve never tried
[04:17] <IIIEars> lol
[04:17] <DefHandz> It'd be nice though.
[04:17] <thr1ce> i only play et and ut2k4, which are both native on linux
[04:17] <rushmore> buy vmware
[04:17] <DefHandz> Heh.
[04:17] <DefHandz> vmware ...tried it, its ok.
[04:17] <rushmore> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[04:17] <Curlydave> k, i think i installed the driver
[04:17] <DefHandz> Think ;)
[04:18] <DefHandz> k31th, name it "Think"
[04:18] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:18] <E0x> i play hl2 with point2play+cedega
[04:18] <IIIEars> #linux is filled with people using Helix and the knoppix haxor edition - makes me a bit nervous.
[04:18] <E0x> and work
[04:18] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:18] <DefHandz> Knoppix was ok
[04:18] <DefHandz> For a Live CD.
[04:18] <Curlydave> i still can't raise my resolution :(
[04:18] <rushmore> e a s y ?
[04:18] <DefHandz> :P I used it off and on.
[04:18] <crimsun> Hackmo: you must have a usb headset or something attached
[04:18] <crimsun> Hackmo: cat /proc/asound/cards -> #flood
[04:18] <eSCHEn> Hi, I've just installed Ubuntu and I must it was great, much easier than other distros I've tried :)  I'm having a couple of problems however and I was wondering if anybody could possibly point me in the right direction.  I installed the fglrx drivers for my Radeon 9000 so I could get the TV-OUT working but I don't seem to be able to find anywhere to change the output to PAL/NTSC etc.  The other problem is that my second hard drive on the sec
[04:18] <eSCHEn> ondary slave channel refuses to mount, it's there in the device manager but just calling 'mount' doesn't list it.  If I try to mount it, it just complains that the device is busy all the time, any ideas?
[04:18] <Curlydave> and i didnt' even use the driver on the ati site...
[04:18] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - the union file system is interesting.
[04:18] <eSCHEn> Whoops, sorry for mega post there
[04:18] <Curlydave> eSCHEn-welcome to the club
[04:18] <DefHandz> ufs? where?
[04:19] <DefHandz> Oh
[04:19] <Curlydave> i'm also fighting to install ati drivers
[04:19] <DefHandz> Heh, yeah Knoppix..
[04:19] <rushmore> nice flooding
[04:19] <IIIEars> DefHandz, - 3.8 knoppix
[04:19] <DefHandz> Hm..I dont know which one I used.
[04:19] <E0x>  ( sorry for repeat ) 2 question , #1 how i can make mplayer the default player , #2 mplayer-custom dont have gui enable ?
[04:19] <eSCHEn> Thankyou CurlyDave
[04:19] <DefHandz> I think i used 3.6
[04:19] <thr1ce> fglrx pack, run sudo fglrxconfig, make sure you use externalAGP, write to xorg.conf, restart x
[04:19] <DefHandz> I used to use Fedora..ouch X_X
[04:20] <bitsmash> when i do apt-get remove mutt it wants to remove ubuntu-base also...what is this
[04:21] <bob2> bitsmash: yes, because ubuntu-base Depends on mutt
[04:21] <IIIEars>  sudo fglrxconfig - nothing happens. Did i type it wrong?
[04:21] <thr1ce> no, you don't have fglrx installed then
[04:21] <IIIEars> Okay
[04:21] <crimsun> Hackmo: see above
[04:22] <thr1ce> search synaptic for fglrx
[04:22] <DefHandz> Alright, thanks all. Linux = fun, I guess. I'm sticking with it :P BYE
[04:22] <Curlydave> i still can't raise my resolution:/
[04:22] <bitsmash> bob2: : how come? mutt is a mail program no?
[04:22] <TriniTriggs> Curlydave: try 855resolution
[04:22] <jamminpotato> yay for long apt-get upgrade sessions
[04:22] <Curlydave> in terminal?
[04:22] <Jormundgand> One thing I found with Linux which I didn't have with Windows was the freedom to fiddle around, see what different options in config files did. Under Windows the install process was too lengthy and complicated, but under Ubuntu install is quick and painless and I can fiddle all I like.
[04:23] <TriniTriggs> CurlyDave: it should be available in Synaptic
[04:23] <bob_> Boa wrapper for wxPython?  is it easy to install?
[04:23] <TriniTriggs> CurlyDave: It's a program
[04:23] <LinuxJones> bob you want to install boa-constructor ?
[04:23] <bob_> trying to
[04:24] <LinuxJones> bob_, do you have universe repo enabled /
[04:24] <bob_> no,  you've lost me,  I'm a newb
[04:24] <TriniTriggs> hey, does anyone know where to find info re: reasons not to use Reiser?
[04:24] <bitsmash> whats the command to install X
[04:24] <LinuxJones> bob_, ok let me get a link for you 1 sec
[04:24] <bitsmash> apt-get install what
[04:25] <bob2> bitsmash: you already have X installed
[04:25] <Curlydave> TriniTriggs, how do you run synaptic?
[04:25] <bob2> bitsmash: ubuntu-base Depends on mutt because ubuntu-base is designed to provide a nice text unix system
[04:26] <bitsmash> bob2: how you know i have x installed?
[04:26] <LinuxJones> bob_, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository        after you follow the directions all you have to do is sudo apt-get install boa-constructor    :)
[04:26] <bob_> thanks much
[04:26] <darkaudit> Jormundgand: I like being able to see what's going on @ boot & shutdown in Linux... Strange that the interface expert Canonical hired sees that as a *negative*
[04:27] <LinuxJones> bob_, GL
[04:27] <bitsmash> bob2: server
[04:27] <bob_> boa wasnt on synaptic,  got it running on win32 machine tho
[04:27] <ubuntu> do the Airpot Cards in macs work?
[04:27] <bob2> bitsmash: install ubuntu-desktop then
[04:27] <ubuntu> airport*
[04:27] <bob2> ubuntu: yes, but airport extreme does not
[04:27] <ubuntu> dammit
[04:27] <ubuntu> why not?
[04:27] <LinuxJones> bob_, once you enable universe you will get like 11,000 more packages to choose from :)
[04:27] <Jormundgand> darkaudit: I'm in favour of the idea put forward where it displays a nice logo or something on tty1 and boot stuff on tty2 so if you need it it's there.
[04:28] <TriniTriggs> Curlydave: ubuntuguide.org <-- read the part about installing all the repositories.  Then click System > Administration > Synaptic.  From there, search for 855resolution, install, read the readmes, and Good Luck.
[04:28] <bob_> wow,  every time I turn around I'm more amazed at what is available
[04:29] <Jormundgand> On a general note, could anyone tell me the purpose of 3dwm? How do I get it working?
[04:29] <DefHandz> Will GAIM run on Kubuntu??
[04:29] <crimsun> DefHandz: yes
[04:29] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  runs fine for me
[04:29] <bob2> Jormundgand: it's just a silly window manager
[04:29] <DefHandz> Which version do you have?
[04:29] <bob2> Jormundgand: I don't think anyone actually uses it for more than the time it takes to say "geez, that's neat...in 1994"
[04:29] <nickrud> Jormundgand, last time I looked it was a proof of concept, I doubt it has changed
[04:29] <TriniTriggs> does anyone know if there's any reason not to use the ReiserFS or Reiser4 filesystems with Ubuntu?
[04:29] <dr_willis> 3dwm is one of those neat projects - thats still very much in a testing/exploration phase
[04:29] <TriniTriggs> I hear the Reisers perform better
[04:29] <bob2> TriniTriggs: just don't, use ext3
[04:30] <thr1ce> reiser works fine
[04:30] <bob2> TriniTriggs: it can perform a bit better in some spec ific workloads, but you will probably never notice
[04:30] <bitsmash> bob2: thats a lot of packages
[04:30] <DefHandz> dr_willis what version did you dl?
[04:30] <bob2> bitsmash: yes
[04:31] <LinuxJones> TriniTriggs, ext2/3 has been around for much longer and is more stable.
[04:31] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  apt-get  got whatever version was there. :P
[04:31] <TriniTriggs> ah
[04:31] <DefHandz> :P
[04:31] <TriniTriggs> k.  That's good enough
[04:31] <DefHandz> I mean..
[04:31] <DefHandz> What did you download?
[04:31] <DefHandz> O_o
[04:31] <Jormundgand> Wow. Best is real buggy. It just quit on me twice in a row.
[04:31] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  i am useing an older version from the messages that just poped up - 1.1.4 - latest version is 1.3.0
[04:31] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  it auto-checks the versions :P
[04:32] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: did you get my last message?
[04:32] <DefHandz> Im sorry, what did you download..meaning what linux was it meant for?
[04:32] <DefHandz> Any one?
[04:32] <dr_willis> DefHandz,  im just useing the older one thats in the apt-repositories. NOT the one from sourceforge
[04:32] <DefHandz> Ohh
[04:32] <DefHandz> Ok
[04:32] <nickrud> although, Jormundgand expocity and luminocity do have potential :)
[04:32] <DefHandz> Im off again then
[04:33] <DefHandz> Thanks for the help
[04:33] <Jormundgand> "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libgnomeui-2" Fun.
[04:33] <DefHandz> O_O
[04:33] <DefHandz> Fun fun :P
[04:33] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: yes
[04:33] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: (the ping in #flood, that is)
[04:33] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: did you paste /proc/asound/cards in #flood
[04:34] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: no, someone happened to my connection the last message I got from you was the one telling me to paste the output of grep|lsmod to a site
[04:35] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: ok, go ahead and paste that to #flood
[04:35] <dr_willis> Hmm a gaim "autopackage"
[04:35] <dr_willis> interesting
[04:36] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone know how to raise the screen resolution?
[04:36] <dr_willis> theres a gnome menu item to set the res now Curlydave
[04:36] <dr_willis> or edit the X config
[04:36] <Curlydave> oooooh
[04:37] <Curlydave> the menu option restricts me
[04:37] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: I got that on pastebin. I need /proc/asound/cards
[04:37] <Curlydave> hey can you remind me where hte xconfig is located?
[04:38] <crimsun> Curlydave: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <Curlydave> ahy ty
[04:38] <Tritis> Hey all, i'm using breezy against the topics suggestion.   Has dmesg dissappeared?
[04:39] <Curlydave> well, i modified the 24 depth mode
[04:39] <Curlydave> and added 1280x1024
[04:39] <Curlydave> but the menu options are still the original 3 ;(
[04:39] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: i'm getting permision denied when I put "/proc/asound/cards" into a root terminal
[04:39] <dr_willis> Curlydave,  well #1 - BACKUP your working X onfig. :P
[04:40] <ilba7r> curlydave: how is breezy so far
[04:40] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, your horizontal and vertical refresh rates are probably not set correctly. What video card do you have ?
[04:40] <dr_willis> #2 after editing that file -  heed to restart the X server also.
[04:40] <nickrud> Curlydave, you'll probably need to alter the VertRefresh and HoriSync in xorg.conf
[04:40] <nickrud> *HorizSync
[04:40] <Curlydave> x800
[04:41] <crimsun> hannes_: yes, that's what I suspected: you have a usb headset plugged in, no?
[04:41] <crimsun> hannes_: sorry
[04:41] <Curlydave> 43-60 vert
[04:41] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: yes, that's what I suspected: you have a usb headset plugged in, no?
[04:41] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:41] <Curlydave> 28-51 horizontal
[04:41] <Curlydave> k
[04:41] <shiv> I really need help with my sound, plz help. I did all this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=sound stil not working
[04:41] <nickrud> heh, LinuxJones I'll remember that one
[04:42] <LinuxJones> nickrud, it's new :)
[04:42] <nickrud> new is good :)
[04:42] <ivan> how do you stop console pc-speaker beeps
[04:43] <crimsun> shiv: what precisely?
[04:43] <LinuxJones> nickrud, we need a bot like 'apt' in #Debian to just tell folks about stuff like that :)
[04:43] <Curlydave> hmm
[04:43] <Curlydave> but i dont' know what to put them to
[04:43] <Curlydave> i shouldn't have to either...
[04:44] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: still alive?
[04:44] <ivan> to stop console beeps: echo set bell-style visible >> ~/.inputrc
[04:44] <nickrud> yeah, when I left a couple of weeks ago, one was in the works, but I was told it was kicked
[04:44] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, read on, it says to search google with your monitor make/model and it will tell you the numbers to add
[04:45] <Curlydave> k
[04:45] <Jormundgand> I wish Thunar were a working file manager. The UI they use rocks so much.
[04:45] <crimsun> Jormundgand: patience :)
[04:45] <nickrud> Thunar?
[04:45] <LinuxJones> Jormundgand, I have never heard of that
[04:45] <bob_> ok,  universe enabled via synaptic,  boa downloaded and installed,  now where would it be installed?  in etc?
[04:45] <crimsun> the new Xfce (but not just Xfce) file manager
[04:46] <Jormundgand> 'Twould be great to be able to remove Nautilus completely and use Thunar for file-related matters.
[04:46] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: yeah sorry i'm here
[04:46] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: see above question?
[04:46] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: I don't have a USB headset plugged in but I did earlier on
[04:46] <rj`> thunar is going to be nice -- isnt that devloped by the xfce guys?
[04:46] <bob_> i.e.  how do I run it?   newb question
[04:46] <LinuxJones> bob_, hit alt+F2 and start typing boa-constructor (it will auto complete for you)
[04:46] <nickrud> heh, I've watched nautilus go from eazel to today, so I'm overall impressed
[04:46] <rj`> oh -- i see your reply.
[04:46] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: but I unplugged it again when my speakers stopped working
[04:46] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: will you be booting with it plugged in at all?
[04:47] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: no
[04:47] <rj`> nickrud: its come a long way -- i remember eazel too.
[04:47] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: I suggest you use this: echo "options snd-usb-audio options=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:47] <nickrud> medusa to beagle, it's been a long road
[04:47] <rj`> hehe
[04:47] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: that way your usb headset, even if it's plugged in, won't interfere with your onboard functioning
[04:48] <rj`> i think the linux desktop is going to get really exciting in the nexct couple years.
[04:48] <mrXP> Hello I got a question... Mondo only runs on batch I can't add a short on a menu correct?
[04:48] <dr_willis> hmm.. ive been playing with 'autopackage' also just for the last 10 min.. its amazeing how well that worked.  Linux is improveing in soo many ways.. neat to see so many good ideas being worked on.
[04:48] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: sorry, that should be: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:48] <bob_> so simple,  thanks for your help,  much appreciated LinuxJones
[04:48] <LinuxJones> rj`, it's exciting right now :)
[04:48] <borkdox> Hey
[04:48] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: I typed the first command before you corrected it, will it do any damage?
[04:48] <dr_willis> looking at Thunar  - also. :P but theres not much to see heh heh
[04:48] <LinuxJones> bob_, no problem dude have fun ;)
[04:48] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: no, just remove it from the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:48] <rj`> LinuxJones: i think so -- but im talking about the opengl window managers etc
[04:49] <crimsun> shiv: need more information
[04:49] <LinuxJones> rj`, there is alot going on with that atm
[04:49] <bob_> I havent been so excited about trying a language since turbo pascal way back in 80,  this platform is amazing
[04:49] <H[a] ckmo> crimson: ok, done
[04:49] <rj`> LinuxJones: i know!
[04:49] <H[a] ckmo> crimsun: should my sound work now?
[04:50] <rj`> bob_ what platform?
[04:50] <mrXP> Hello I got a question... Mondo only runs on batch I can't add a short on a menu correct?
[04:50] <bob_> apple2
[04:50] <nickrud> bob_, you should not show your age
[04:50] <nickrud> l0ol
[04:50] <crimsun> H[a] ckmo: after you reboot
[04:50] <H[a] ckmo> ok thanks
[04:50] <H[a] ckmo> brb
[04:51] <bob_> I was solving pde's with it for my msc way back then,  it saved me a bundle of $$$
[04:51] <crimsun> pdes in turbo pascal? yeesh
[04:51] <crimsun> I'd have stuck to simple f77
[04:51] <bob_> compared with interpreted basic it was blazing fast
[04:51] <nickrud> bob_, so you can remember being able to read your baud rate :)
[04:51] <bob_> card reader kept eating the cards tho
[04:52] <bob_> or they'd fall on the floor and it would take half a day to reorganize the code
[04:52] <dr_willis> or a moth whoudl get in the system and you;d have to "debug" it :P
[04:53] <nickrud> lol, I used to send cards to a 360, and hope to get an output 2 or 3 days later
[04:53] <bob_> well,  not that bad,  but we upgraded the mainframe, added 5MB of ram ,  it came on a semi trailer and we loaded it thru the roof with a crane
[04:53] <rj`> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-November/004358.html
[04:53] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ lsmod|grep snd
[04:53] <shiv> snd_atiixp_modem       15908  2
[04:53] <shiv> snd_atiixp             18596  0
[04:53] <shiv> snd_ac97_codec         64608  2 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp
[04:53] <shiv> snd_pcm_oss            47652  0
[04:53] <shiv> snd_mixer_oss          16768  2 snd_pcm_oss
[04:53] <shiv> snd_pcm                84872  4 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[04:53] <shiv> snd_timer              23300  1 snd_pcm
[04:53] <shiv> snd                    50276  9 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[04:54] <shiv> soundcore               9824  2 snd
[04:54] <shiv> snd_page_alloc          9604  3 snd_atiixp_modem,snd_atiixp,snd_pcm
[04:54] <LinuxJones> ummm, shiv
[04:54] <crimsun> shiv: thanks, but next time please use #flood
[04:54] <crimsun> shiv: cat /proc/asound/version -> #flood
[04:54] <bob_> gotta try this snake language, tks for all your help
[04:55] <shiv> i did that
[04:56] <crimsun> shiv: you need a newer version of alsa-driver, for starters
[04:56] <crimsun> shiv: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[04:56] <sebas_1> nickrud i'm back but i had to use dpkg-recon....... again!
[04:56] <shiv> how do i do that
[04:57] <shiv> i don't know
[04:57] <crimsun> shiv: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[04:57] <tandy> i just nuked my mbr, can i boot into the system from the cd
[04:57] <Amaranth> bob_: Python? :)
[04:57] <krg> Kubuntu is nifty.
[04:57] <Amaranth> tandy: yes
[04:57] <Hackmo> crimsun: thanks a lot, it works fine now
[04:57] <crimsun> Hackmo: np
[04:57] <Hackmo> crimsun: before I go to bed would you be able to help me out with another problem i'm having?
[04:57] <Hackmo> crimsun: getting my webcam to work
[04:58] <crimsun> Hackmo: sorry, I'm not familiar with them
[04:58] <crimsun> Hackmo: someone else in the channel may know
[04:58] <tandy> Amaranth, i had done it once before, i type something at the boot: prompt right?
[04:58] <Hackmo> crimsun: ah ok then. i'll try asking again tomorow i'm going to go to sleep now
[04:58] <ilba7r> I am just wondering if it will not be risky to put other repositories from other debian based distros? for example mepis have seemless integration with realplayer, acrobat 7 and wincodec can not we just use that in ubuntu?
[04:58] <Amaranth> tandy: I don't know what, but yeah.
[04:58] <Hackmo> crimsun: again, thanks a lot for your help
[04:58] <crimsun> Hackmo: don't mention it :)
[04:59] <crimsun> ilba7r: it's strongly recommended that you stick with official ubuntu repositories.
[04:59] <crimsun> ilba7r: from time to time, external repos may break due to package dependencies
[04:59] <nickrud> sebas_1, work calls, wait one
[05:00] <ilba7r> crimsun : I am just saying it should not be this way. They all emerged from debian and most of the time they do not standardize
[05:00] <crimsun> ilba7r: it's difficult to synchronize them all
[05:01] <tandy> can someone tell me how i can boot into ubuntu on my hardrive form the cd becasue i nuked my mbr
[05:01] <ilba7r> crimsun : do not you think that at least they can use the same directory structure so you know where to look for stuff
[05:01] <ilba7r> tandy use rescue on the boot prompt
[05:02] <crimsun> tandy: pass the root= parameter on the grub boot line
[05:02] <crimsun> e.g., if your / partition is /dev/hda6, you'd say root=/dev/hda6
[05:03] <tandy> ahh thast it thanks crimsun
[05:03] <crimsun> ilba7r: FHS attempts to address that, but not all distros abide by that (or even make an effort to move in that direction)
[05:03] <crimsun> tandy: np
[05:03] <tandy> i couldnt remeb the command and im kindo f in a jam here to look it up
[05:03] <crimsun> shiv: let me know when you've set up that
[05:04] <tandy> had to use this stupid DDO becasue my bios cant recognize my new hardrive
[05:04] <ilba7r> crimsun : is it a policy due to the competition between distros?
[05:04] <shiv> i tried that
[05:05] <shiv> my menus seem to be changed am am not getting the exact instructions there
[05:05] <crimsun> ilba7r: I really don't know, though I hope not
[05:05] <rommer> is there a free alternative to dreamweaver?
[05:05] <ilba7r> crimsun : i am just we might reach a point where even upgrading the same distro will be risky
[05:05] <shiv> is there a way to check that by comad prompt
[05:05] <Curlydave> woot!!!!
[05:05] <Curlydave> i got it to run at 1280x1024
[05:05] <crimsun> shiv: in #flood, grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:05] <jamminpotato> rommer, trty mozilla nvu
[05:05] <jamminpotato> its prety good.
[05:06] <ilba7r> crimsun thanx for you input my friend chaw now
[05:06] <rommer> jamminpotato: ok thanks
[05:06] <crimsun> ciao
[05:06] <shiv> done
[05:06] <borkdox> can I install cedega -386 .deb into a amd64 ubuntu install?
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> sudo: dmesg: command not found
[05:07] <borkdox> dpkg: error processing cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:07] <borkdox>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[05:07] <nickrud> a billion bucks has got to worth something
[05:07] <crimsun> borkdox: only in a 32-bit chroot
[05:08] <borkdox> under gentoo it was possible for me to run 32bit execs without the chroot
[05:08] <qman> anyone fooled with wireless bridging here?
[05:08] <mattlins> Hi guys.  Can you tell me how to setup wireless on ubuntu?
[05:08] <crimsun> mattlins: presuming you have a supported wireless chipset, it should be automagic.
[05:09] <qman> mattlins: are you using WEP or WPA?
[05:09] <crimsun> borkdox: (yes, but this distro isn't Gentoo...)
[05:09] <mattlins> I have broadcom.  I think they are the unsupported
[05:09] <mattlins> no WEP or WPA
[05:09] <mattlins> unsecure
[05:09] <shiv> any luck?
[05:09] <shiv> crimsun?
[05:09] <qman> yeah broadcom sucks, no drivers
[05:09] <mattlins> I've got it going on fedora
[05:09] <crimsun> shiv: sec, I'm trying to do multiple things
[05:09] <mattlins> I can't remember how
[05:09] <crimsun> shiv: yes, it's enabled.
[05:09] <clay> probably with ndiswrapper
[05:09] <mattlins> driverloader or something
[05:10] <crimsun> shiv: now, sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[05:10] <mattlins> i couldn't get ndiswrapper to work
[05:10] <borkdox> crimsun, it is still a linux kernel with a lot of Open Source software on top of it
[05:10] <mattlins> driverloader is a pay service with a free trial they were the only way
[05:10] <qman> mattlins: well if it ran on fedora it will run on ubuntu
[05:10] <crimsun> borkdox: granted, but there are multiple toolchain issues to be resolved.
[05:10] <qman> mattlins: u just have to duplicate the fedora setup....
[05:11] <mattlins> I was hoping to use something that didn't require a fee
[05:11] <crimsun> borkdox: it is being addressed and hopefully will make it into Breezy.
[05:11] <clay> you used driverloaded in fedora?
[05:11] <mattlins> Where are the network settings in ubuntu
[05:11] <clay> driverloader, even
[05:11] <qman> /etc/network
[05:11] <mattlins> clay: i think so
[05:11] <borkdox> crimsun, cool, tnx, i will look into the chroot then for now...
[05:12] <Curlydave> hey
[05:12] <Curlydave> does anyone know how to get dual-booting to work right?
[05:12] <shiv> plz see flood?
[05:12] <Curlydave> it doesn't for me
[05:12] <Curlydave> well linux boots but windows doens't
[05:12] <mattlins> i got dual booting working
[05:12] <bob2> you need to ask more specific questions
[05:12] <bob2> it should work out of the box
[05:12] <LiquidGUI> hey guys, I just have quick question and I will be on my way
[05:12] <Curlydave> i have to unplug the linux drive to get win dowrking
[05:12] <mattlins> Ultimate boot cd helped me
[05:12] <bob2> if it doen't for you, explain what doesn't work
[05:12] <Curlydave> your'e right
[05:13] <bob2> windows will be very unhappy if it's not the first disk
[05:13] <LiquidGUI> I just got an AMD64, can I still run an x86 version
[05:13] <bob2> LiquidGUI: yes
[05:13] <crimsun> shiv: you must have (an)other package manager[ frontend] s open
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> "since gparted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root can run it"
[05:13] <LiquidGUI> thanks bob2
[05:13] <crimsun> shiv: make sure you've closed Synaptic, dselect, etc.
[05:13] <Curlydave> hmmm
[05:13] <Curlydave> "Booting 'Microsoft WindowsXP Pro"
[05:13] <mattlins> Is there a GUI network settings in ubuntu?
[05:14] <Curlydave> root (hd1,0)
[05:14] <Curlydave> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[05:14] <Curlydave> savedefauct, make active, chainloader +1
[05:14] <weazle>  morning
[05:14] <Curlydave> bob2 btw, you rock at the whoel helping out thing
[05:14] <LinuxJones> mattgirv, network-admin
[05:14] <Curlydave> now i'm infinitely better off than before with fixing hte hosts file, runnign at a decent res etc now
[05:15] <LinuxJones> mattlins, err sudo  network-admin
[05:15] <Curlydave> (after chainnloader +1, nothing happnes;no bot)
[05:15] <mattlins> ok found it
[05:15] <whyameye> every time I start XEmacs I get a window that says "(1) (xim-xlib/warning) Can't get fontset resource for Input Method" Any way I can avoid this?
[05:15] <mattlins> ubuntu is awesome
[05:15] <LinuxJones> mattlins, yes we are very happy :)
[05:16] <whyameye> I'm sure it is connected to an error that shows up in the console from which I run XEmacs: "Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[05:16] <whyameye> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
[05:16] <whyameye> "
[05:16] <mattlins> Is is the first distro of linux that right out of the box everything worked perfect
[05:16] <mattlins> 1280 x 800 res has been troubling me with fedora and mandriva, but ubuntu worked great
[05:16] <dr_willis> mattlins, yep i agree
[05:17] <Tezkah> similar experience here, I finally got everything working
[05:17] <Curlydave> haha you think fodera gave you guys problems
[05:17] <Tezkah> more of me actually trying
[05:17] <nickrud> heh, and screen res is one of the biggies, you luck dog.
[05:17] <dr_willis> Hmm. computer:///  -- anyone know of a 'list' of all the places such as computer:/// and so forth for gnome to access?
[05:17] <Curlydave> i may be bitching, but here I am in a comfy desktop environment wiht internet, irc, IM, music etc
[05:17] <Curlydave> Fedora for me... a grey screen and a mouse cursor
[05:17] <Curlydave> fun stuff
[05:18] <LinuxJones> dr_willis, on the panel hit Places :D
[05:18] <mattlins> fedora was better than mandriva however
[05:18] <mattlins> for me anyway
[05:18] <Curlydave> i might give fc4 a try whne it comes out, but fc3=garbage for me
[05:18] <Don__> Hi all, can anyone give me info to get online with warty live cd
[05:18] <Curlydave> wha'ts your connection type?
[05:18] <Don__> dialup
[05:18] <nickrud> hm, fonts:/// still works
[05:18] <clay> i found fc3 way too slow
[05:19] <crimsun> shiv: any progress?
[05:19] <dr_willis> LinuxJones,  Im thinking there is more then just those.. i thought i saw a few others once
[05:19] <Curlydave> ohh, not sure hwo to do dialup
[05:19] <mattlins> Is java preinstalled in ubuntu?
[05:19] <nickrud> preferences:/// doesn't anymore
[05:19] <Don__> driving me insane
[05:19] <Curlydave> i remember using a knoppix livecd and all i had to do was go to the menu and do set up pppoe
[05:19] <clay> and installing<PHONE_NUMBER> plugins drove me nuts
[05:19] <Curlydave> but th's for dsl
[05:19] <mattlins> doesn't look like it
[05:19] <dr_willis> nickrud,  aha thats one ive been trying to work :P
[05:19] <crimsun> mattlins: no. See wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:19] <Don__> all other live cds are easy
[05:19] <bhearsum> does hoary come with the Madwifi drivers
[05:19] <bhearsum> ?
[05:20] <mattlins> thanks crimsun
[05:20] <nickrud> dr_willis, maybe it'll come back, but I doubt it :)
[05:20] <crimsun> bhearsum: afaik, yes
[05:20] <Curlydave> does anyone knwo why my fonts look crappy aand undefined?
[05:20] <LinuxJones> dr_willis, there were some changes made my the devs I guess and some stuff like that got turf'd :(
[05:20] <leira> i've just installed ubuntu-hoary, i've never got the chance to set a root passwd, but when i su, it ask me theroot passwd~~~
[05:20] <LinuxJones> by*
[05:20] <bhearsum> leira: the root account is disabled by default
[05:20] <Marble2> leira: sudo passwd root
[05:20] <dr_willis> LinuxJones,  bummer. :O  i was thinking there was a samba:/// or smb:/// also
[05:20] <leira> then what passwd should i use?
[05:20] <nickrud> LinuxJones, dr_willis it's all part of the fun, isn't it :)
[05:20] <Marble2> leira: whatever you want your root pass to be...
[05:21] <Don__> can someone who knows how to get online live cd , pm me thnx
[05:21] <dr_willis> smb:/// works :P
[05:21] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone here know how to keep linux from read-onlying all of the system files or letting me edit htem without the console?
[05:21] <whyameye> Is it possible to print to a Printer connected to a Windows machine thru a network?
[05:21] <dr_willis> hay bhearsum
[05:21] <crimsun> Don__: you can just download it
[05:21] <LinuxJones> nickrud, it's like a puppy chasing his tail :)
[05:21] <crimsun> whyameye: yes.
[05:21] <bhearsum> dr_willis: how goes it?
[05:21] <dr_willis> whyameye,  yes it is.
[05:21] <nickrud> LinuxJones, no, it's owners a**
[05:21] <dr_willis> bhearsum,  ubuntuing up a storm :P
[05:21] <Don__> crimsun , i have cd
[05:21] <bhearsum> dr_willis: great
[05:21] <crimsun> Don__: Warty or Hoary?
[05:21] <whyameye> crimsun, dr_willis : how do I do it?
[05:21] <Don__> warty
[05:21] <crimsun> Don__: I recommend you try Hoary's livecd
[05:22] <leira> Marble2: it ask me to input the root passwd first!
[05:22] <shiv> its installed
[05:22] <shiv> now what do i do?
[05:22] <Marble2> ah
[05:22] <dr_willis> whyameye,  i fired up the cups printer config tool and with a few clicks set up the printer. :P took me 2 min perhaps.
[05:22] <Marble2> ///
[05:22] <Marble2> hm
[05:22] <nickrud> anyway, it's usually come back in a better form, so I'll be patient
[05:22] <Marble2> leira: try leaving it blank
[05:22] <crimsun> shiv: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[05:22] <whyameye> dr_willis: okay, I'll try it now...
[05:22] <Don__> crimsun, Iuse Kanotix, just wantd to try live warty
[05:22] <Curlydave> alright, so how can I use mouse 4 and 5 in ubuntu?
[05:22] <leira> Marble2: tried, and failed
[05:22] <crimsun> shiv: then choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the atiixp (not the atiixp modem, though!) driver
[05:22] <Marble2> Curlydave: what do you want them to do
[05:23] <leira> is there a default passwd for root thing?
[05:23] <Curlydave> foward and back
[05:23] <dr_willis> Curlydave,  I think i saw a howto on that in the ubuntu wiki's
[05:23] <Curlydave> ooh i'll check that out
[05:23] <crimsun> shiv: then, cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:23] <dr_willis> the wikis are VERY VERY good im finding in many areas
[05:23] <Marble2> leira: try the same password for your normal account
[05:23] <nickrud> leira, no, google ubuntu wiki rootsudo
[05:23] <Curlydave> k
[05:23] <Marble2> Curlydave: what type of mouse do you have
[05:23] <Marble2> if you have an mx500, the guide won't work
[05:24] <Don__> I think there are files missing in warty live cd for dial up
[05:24] <nickrud> leira, a shortcut if you don't mind
[05:24] <batma8> hey guys
[05:24] <shiv> oh no
[05:24] <shiv> i was too fast
[05:24] <shiv> I choose yes yes
[05:24] <whyameye> dr_willis: so do I hook up to the Windows network first? It's asking me for a host in the configuration tool....
[05:24] <dr_willis> whyameye,  you got the printer shared on the windows box allready?
[05:24] <crimsun> shiv: then just dpkg-reconfigure it
[05:24] <Laforge> Hey anyone know how to set up a ethernet config with a ADMtek card
[05:24] <leira> nickrud: googling
[05:24] <Curlydave> Marble2 it's a logi MX700
[05:24] <whyameye> dr_willis: yes. I've already shared it among windows machines...
[05:24] <sebas_1> batma8 are you using an automatic login command or so
[05:25] <Marble2> alright, try the guide
[05:25] <Marble2> leira: did you try using your normal user pass for the root pass?
[05:25] <batma8> hey guys..when i update software sources in synaptic. what do i type in instead of main restricted
[05:25] <sebas_1> batma8 you said hey guys a dozen times today
[05:25] <dr_willis> whyameye,  the cups config I think has some scan/browse feature that should find it. or enter the //workgroup/machinename/ its been a few mo since ive had to mess with it. :P
[05:25] <batma8> :)
[05:25] <batma8> sorry
[05:26] <shiv> see flood
[05:26] <leira> Marble2: u r right! done!  thank u!
[05:26] <Marble2> np
[05:26] <Marble2> you can set a root pass
[05:26] <Marble2> using sudo
[05:26] <sebas_1> batma8 don't worry my screen still looks ;alkjsdfhj npvqw8eou
[05:26] <batma8> haha
[05:26] <batma8> so about this synaptic dealy
[05:26] <batma8> the only one i want in there is cd ubuntu 5.04 right?
[05:26] <batma8> then im sposed to change something
[05:27] <batma8> but i cant member what
[05:27] <whyameye> dr_willis: are you talking about in Gnome system -> administration -> printing? There's no browse function there...
[05:27] <mattlins> Ok guys.  I am downloading the Java sdk.  I have an amd64.  The page has a ia64 download and a 586 download.  Is ia64 itanium or amd64?
[05:27] <crimsun> mattlins: itanium
[05:27] <crimsun> definitely not amd64
[05:27] <mattlins> thanks
[05:28] <Tezkah> okay, so I have a wireless interface
[05:28] <Tezkah> it gets an IP from the router with DHCP
[05:28] <count0nz> need more seeds for breezy-colony-1 :)
[05:28] <Laforge> ANyone know how to set up ethernet connection?
[05:28] <Tezkah> but it causes stalling when booting
[05:28] <nickrud> count0nz, only if it is post c++ :)
[05:28] <veritas> Does anyone know if I can run Shoutcast on my debian server if I can connect to it using SSH (It's a webhosting server)
[05:28] <fishie> wow people ask alot of questions in here.
[05:28] <count0nz> :) lol
[05:29] <count0nz> nickrud, i won't update it till after c++
[05:29] <usual> Can anyone suggest good fonts to use in gnome?
[05:29] <dr_willis> whyameye,  thers several cups interface's out there. I uysed that gnome one for my network printer :) i just saw it has the samba/windows printer config also. but no way to scan. so ya need the info to tell it.
[05:30] <dr_willis> whyameye,  ive seen others that actually can scan the network
[05:30] <gusto5> hello
[05:31] <gusto5> i have a question regarding printers
[05:31] <crimsun> metalsand: I recommend icecast2 instead
[05:31] <Tezkah> so does anyone know how to make my interface use the lease its been given (for an unlimited period of time,  think), but using the DHCP as a backup?
[05:32] <shiv> ok
[05:32] <super_dude2> Help my screen refreshes whenever i do somfing that creates a error??
[05:33] <bigfoot> Hi all, after downloading a package via synaptic, what is the best way to add it to the Gnome Menu? The only way I know is by "Run Command"-->menu-editor. Any better ways? How do you do it?
[05:33] <Arrogant> I have a rather interesting situation. I want to format the drive that has Ubuntu on it, which contains my bootloader, and let Windows take back over.
[05:33] <Arrogant> 'cause I'm switching computers and my parents want Windows back.
[05:34] <crimsun> Arrogant: is Windows still on the disk in another partition?
[05:34] <Arrogant> crimsun: Yes
[05:34] <Arrogant> Wait no,
[05:34] <Arrogant> another disk.
[05:34] <Arrogant> Two hard drives.
[05:34] <crimsun> Arrogant: you should be able to just reinstall the bootloader (ntloader.exe iirc) from within Windows
[05:34] <whyameye> dr_willis: okay thanks. I can figure it out from here.
[05:35] <gusto5> anyone would like to help with a printer question?
[05:35] <dr_willis> or boot the xp cd and use its rescue and fixmbr/fixboot options
[05:35] <Arrogant> dr_willis: Sounds easier.;
[05:36] <Arrogant> Okay, now to find a way to format the other drive.
[05:36] <Arrogant> I think I know how.
[05:36] <Arrogant> I'll use Ubuntu installer to format it to FAT32
[05:36] <TriniTriggs> how do I get Amarok to use the aRts engine?
[05:37] <TriniTriggs> it says something like "resource busy, will continue with null output"
[05:37] <toran> hey guys, my /etc/init.d/apache2 file got deleted (unintentionally). How can I get it back?
[05:37] <TriniTriggs> (I'm really interested in playing *.mpc)
[05:38] <crimsun> you can play musepack with a variety of tools
[05:38] <crimsun> xmms, beep-media-player, amarok, ...
[05:38] <bob2> I really doubt changing the amarok output module will change if ytou can play random proprietary formats or not
[05:38] <crimsun> even the cli decoder
[05:39] <TriniTriggs> I don't think mpc plays in Amarok unless you are using the aRts engine
[05:39] <TriniTriggs> or at least my gstreamer and xine don't play it'
[05:39] <crimsun> TriniTriggs: no, it's as bob2 says. You need the musepack plugin.
[05:39] <bob2> that's because gstreamer and xine are frontends, not backends
[05:39] <bob2> well, mostly
[05:40] <gusto5> i have a printer driver problem. will someone assist me?
[05:40] <bob2> nothing in main seems to be able to decode it
[05:40] <gusto5> for the 3rd time? :P
[05:40] <toran> hey guys, my /etc/init.d/apache2 file got deleted (unintentionally). How can I get it back?
[05:40] <bob2> gusto5: if no one here knows, try asking on the user list
[05:40] <gusto5> no one has even asnwered :P
[05:40] <toran> I tried apt-get remove apache 2, and then apt-get install apache2, but I still didn't get it back
[05:40] <bob2> toran: sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common*.deb
[05:40] <nickrud> gusto5, if it's simple I might
[05:41] <gusto5> ok. i ran the ppd file through printer administration
[05:41] <toran> thanks bob2
[05:41] <gusto5> what command line do i use?
[05:41] <bob2> toran: but please be more careful in future, deleting files under /etc/ is always a bad idea
[05:41] <nickrud> gusto5, not enough detail already, which ppd, for which printer
[05:41] <batma8> is there a good ubuntu help site?
[05:41] <mattlins> I am trying to install the java sdk.  It is in a rpm file.  Do i just type rpm <java.rpm> or do I use arguments.  I remember type -ivh or something before.
[05:41] <gusto5> Okidata-OL600e-ljet2p.ppd
[05:41] <TriniTriggs> ok, thanks for the mpc advice
[05:41] <fishie> I just downloaded the hplip for my printer for sourceforge and am at the step where it says ./configure --prefix=/usr..i did that and then it says enter the command make. i get this "make: *** No rule to make target `install`, Stop
[05:41] <gusto5> nickrud, Okidata-OL600e-ljet2p.ppd that one
[05:41] <fishie> any ideas
[05:42] <gusto5> nickrud, connected to printer port
[05:42] <nickrud> gusto5, and where did you get it? so I don't have to look around
[05:42] <bob2> batma8: what do you mean? wiki.ubuntu.com has lots of good documentation
[05:42] <bob2> mattlins: use alien to convert it to a .deb
[05:42] <pepsi> why cant i use breezy yet?
[05:42] <gusto5> nickrud, got it form linux printing. you want url?
[05:42] <tga> mattlins: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[05:42] <crimsun> pepsi: oh you can, but you get to keep all the pieces.
[05:42] <bob2> pepsi: because it's broken and you won't know how to fix it
[05:42] <bob2> fishie: hplip - HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (hplip)
[05:42] <batma8> how do i edit my synaptic so it dloads all packages
[05:42] <gusto5> nickrud: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Okidata-OL600e
[05:42] <bob2> fishie: it's in ubuntu already, no need to compile it!
[05:43] <pepsi> crimsun, i get to keep all the pieces?
[05:43] <bob2> batma8: you can't install all packages
[05:43] <mavihap> turkiyeden kimse var mi ?
[05:43] <bob2> pepsi: it's broken, don't use it
[05:43] <crimsun> pepsi: see bob2's statement (broken->pieces)
[05:43] <nickrud> someone's got hplip woring in ubuntu !!!!!
[05:43] <bob2> pepsi: for instance, you can't login to breezy at the moment
[05:43] <fishie> the one in ubuntu doesn't have my printer supported
[05:43] <bob2> and X won't start
[05:43] <usual> how can I tell if gnome is using aa fonts
[05:43] <bob2> usual: it is
[05:43] <pepsi> ok
[05:43] <tga> usual: if you have to ask it is
[05:43] <pepsi> ill just install it on a nother hd
[05:43] <bob2> usual: unless you changed the font settings
[05:43] <usual> bob2, really? ok
[05:43] <psychonate|2> returned to human form in the nick of time with 2HP left
[05:44] <usual> tga, ?
[05:44] <tga> psychonate|2: nethack? :)
[05:44] <psychonate|2> well, trying
[05:44] <psychonate|2> I suck majorly
[05:44] <usual> they just don't look very good, maybe it's just me
[05:44] <psychonate|2> It's too hard trying to ID items
[05:44] <psychonate|2> sooo many things to know
[05:44] <nickrud> gusto5, wait a sec, I want to check something
[05:44] <tga> psychonate|2: drop them on an altar at least so you don't get cursed stuff
[05:44] <gusto5> nickrud, sure thing
[05:45] <TriniTriggs> hey, more questions about codecs/amarok.    It sees them in the library, but when I try to add to the playlist, it says "some urls were not suitable for the playlist"
[05:47] <gusto5> nickrud, odd stuff?
[05:47] <crimsun> TriniTriggs: like I mentioned, you need to add the plugins.
[05:47] <bob2> toran: so, what else did you nuke under /etc?
[05:47] <toran> nothing
[05:47] <toran> I only removed the apache things
[05:47] <nickrud> odd stuff, meaning stuff that isn't in their packages
[05:48] <bob2> toran: so, you deleted other files from /etc/, not just /etc/init.d/apache2?
[05:48] <bigfoot> hello. How do you guys get your Gnome Menu to have/show packages that you have installed?
[05:48] <toran> bob2: I deleted that apache2 dir. and the apache2 init file. that is all
[05:48] <bob2> right
[05:48] <bob2> so, you need to tell us that, since it makes things more complicated to fix
[05:48] <nickrud> I really want hplip, because my printer works sooo much better with that, than hpoj, and I've been trying off and on
[05:48] <bob2> and again, don't ever delete things from under /etc :)
[05:49] <nickrud> to get it working using testing and unstable debian sources.
[05:49] <metalsand> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS><--- Does that host mean 'host' or my host?
[05:49] <gusto5> nickrud, whats the normal way to get a printer going?
[05:49] <bob2> metalsand: it means what it says, the machine called host.dreamhost.com
[05:49] <nickrud> gusto5, localhost:631, after you drop the ppd somewhere you can find it
[05:49] <toran> bob2: thank you for your patience with me, even after my own (completely stupid) actions
[05:49] <whyameye> bigfoot: go to system -> administration -> synaptic package manager. There's an option there to see installed packages
[05:50] <bob2> toran: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends apache2 apache2-mpm-worker ; sudo apt-get install apache2
[05:50] <bob2> toran: that should fix it
[05:50] <bigfoot> norm_, i meant: how can we have this installed packages show up in the Gnome Menu (the one with the Foot icon)?
[05:51] <whyameye> bigfoot: do you mean you installed a package and it isn't showing up on any of the menus?
[05:51] <DigitalFox[lap] > is there a way to get Ubuntu to probe for new devices (like a NIC) after installation?
[05:51] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : it will do that on boot
[05:51] <bob_> how do I add an application to the menu to launch it faster?
[05:51] <bob2> bob_: use the menu editor
[05:51] <nickrud> gusto5, sorry, I had the need to vent :)
[05:51] <bigfoot> whyameye, yes, exactly. Now some packages automatically add themselves to the Menu. Frozen Bubble for instance. But not many others.
[05:52] <toran> bob2: strange, the config is still the same
[05:52] <bob2> toran: which config?
[05:52] <toran> apache2/httpd.conf
[05:52] <bob2> (there's more than one)
[05:52] <bob2> yes, ignore that
[05:52] <toran> that's the one I'm interested in
[05:52] <toran> oh, ok
[05:52] <bob2> config is done in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf now
[05:52] <dr_willis> wowsers.. i moused over a .mp3 and the thing started playing it as a preview...
[05:52] <gusto5> nickrud, lol ok i got system->administration->printers to add the printer
[05:52] <dr_willis> when did it start doing that? :P
[05:52] <omniscient>  /join #qt
[05:52] <toran> bob2: that one is sparse too
[05:52] <omniscient> ;\
[05:53] <crimsun> omniscient: extra whitespace
[05:53] <nickrud> gusto5, I have no idea where you would put the ppd so that that gui will find the ppd
[05:53] <bob2> toran: wc -l /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:53] <dr_willis> Been nicer if it wasent a dirty PORN sound clip. :P
[05:53] <omniscient>  /
[05:53] <omniscient> i see
[05:53] <omniscient> :)
[05:53] <toran> 5 /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:53] <bob2> that is odd
[05:53] <bob2>     393 /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:54] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:54] <toran> bob2: is yours modified a lot? could I get started with it?
[05:54] <whyameye> bigfoot: I installed SMEG and I have it do the dirty work. That's something like Simple Menu Editor Gnome...
[05:54] <DigitalFox[lap] > bob2: it didn't pick up a new NIC
[05:54] <bob2> toran: it's the default
[05:54] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : how do you know?
[05:54] <whyameye> bigfoot: try http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[05:54] <toran> bob2: hmm... the other stuff seems to be there... could you put it into http://pastebin.ca?
[05:54] <DocGonzo> Hi, all.  Anybody happen to have (longshot..) a cx88xx based video capture card?
[05:54] <DigitalFox[lap] > there is no eth0
[05:54] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : it will detect it, but it won't do anything useful with it
[05:54] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : yes, you need to configure it to do something
[05:55] <DigitalFox[lap] > will it load the module up on it's own?
[05:55] <J35U5> anyone know about hp printer/scanners?
[05:55] <gusto5> nickrud you still there?
[05:55] <nickrud> gusto5, yeah, sorta
[05:55] <gusto5> what do i set as printer location lol
[05:55] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : if you just want it to do dhcp, then: echo -e "auto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" | sudo tee -a /etc/network/interfaces
[05:55] <bigfoot> When I first boot up my computer, everything is running at a good speed. I have the System Monitor applet, and it looks good when it shows processor usage at 0%, aside from when I open a new program. But after a while, say an hour, it stays at 100% processor usage. This manifests itself in a slow computer (everything taking a long time to load). And even when I close all the programs I'm using (such as Fx, Xchat, Synaptic), the computer still run
[05:55] <bigfoot> s slow. Does anyone know what's going on, and how to solve this?
[05:55] <usual> My screen resolution is set to 1024x768 but the refresh rate is at 60, in this resolution it is capable of 100, how can I fix this?
[05:55] <DigitalFox[lap] > bob2: I know. But the hardware itself isn't being detected.
[05:55] <bob2> bigfoot: run top in a terminal and see what's using all the cpu
[05:55] <DocGonzo> @usual, what card?
[05:55] <DigitalFox[lap] > as in, ifconfig eth0  says there is no such device.
[05:56] <usual> DocGonzo, Geforce4
[05:56] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : dmesg | grep eth0, prints nothing?
[05:56] <gusto5> nickrud sorry to bother, but what exactly is URI
[05:56] <Tezkah> help, gentoo fans are talking about USE flags
[05:56] <DocGonzo> usual: You running their nvidia drivers?
[05:56] <usual> DocGonzo, I am now, but I also tried it without them
[05:56] <DigitalFox[lap] > bob2: this isn't my system, I'm helping someone via IM
[05:56] <DocGonzo> Ubuntu automatically set up X, right
[05:56] <DocGonzo> ?
[05:57] <bob2> DigitalFox[lap] : ask them then, or get them to come here or port to the list...
[05:57] <bob2> er, pot
[05:57] <Tezkah> no, ubuntu automagically set up X
[05:57] <usual> DocGonzo, pretty much, very minimal quesions in debconf
[05:57] <dr_willis> DocGonzo,  it should
[05:57] <whyameye> bigfoot: did you type <top> in the console to see what is draining the CPU?
[05:57] <nickrud> gusto5, I really don't know, that's the one of the few things I can name that debian unstable's eclectic philosophy is better than ubuntu's tightness.
[05:57] <bob2> toran: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/apache2.conf
[05:57] <DocGonzo> Perhaps your monitor refresh rate isn't right.
[05:57] <gusto5> nickrud thanks anyway
[05:57] <bob2> toran: I suspect if that is screwed then other things are too, tho
[05:57] <usual> DocGonzo, I manually entered the correct rates
[05:57] <DocGonzo> usual: Hmm, I'm stumped then.
[05:57] <usual> according to my hardware specs on a website
[05:57] <toran> bob2: I think you're right
[05:58] <toran> wait
[05:58] <toran> no
[05:58] <toran> it started
[05:58] <usual> anyone happen to have a Dell Trinitron 21"?
[05:58] <usual> heh
[05:59] <Tezkah> hmm, my laptop fan isn't running
[05:59] <omniscient> when i install a package with apt-get how can i find how to run it? i just installed qt3-designer but that command doesnt exist, so i'm assuming it's called something else
[05:59] <usual> DocGonzo, heh, xorg.conf somehow went back to defaults
[05:59] <bob2> omniscient: dpkg -L qt3-designer | grep bin
[06:00] <Tritis> Anyone have problems ejecting audio cd's after ripping them?  I have to do sudo eject, then physically push the eject button on the drive.  If I click eject on the nautilus automounted icon I get an error message "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument"
[06:00] <Pupeno> omniscient: it is `designer`, and you can expect to find it on the K-menu or do what bob2 says.
[06:00] <omniscient> thanks
[06:01] <toran> bob2: hey, where is the default documentroot?
[06:01] <metalsand> Does Ubuntu come default with OpenSSH?
[06:01] <crimsun> metalsand: the client, yes.
[06:01] <crimsun> metalsand: openssh-server needs to be installed if you want sshd
[06:01] <bob2> toran: /var/www/
[06:01] <metalsand> crimsun: Thanks, all I need to do is connect to a remote server
[06:01] <bob2> courtesy of mark in like 1994, I think
[06:01] <metalsand> I'm having problems, though
[06:01] <bob2> metalsand: if the problem was that openssh wasn't installed, that would be immediately obvious
[06:02] <metalsand> bob2: Okay, thanks
[06:02] <metalsand> Well, I enter my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:02] <bob2> perhaps if you told us what was wrong?
[06:02] <metalsand> and it asks for a password, yet it isn't accepting it - I'm not sure if I'm entering my username correctly
[06:02] <shiv> GREAT CRIMSUN
[06:02] <shiv> U ARE A genius
[06:02] <shiv> thanks
[06:02] <shiv> I have sound
[06:03] <shiv> :)
[06:03] <bob2> metalsand: is username your actual username on that machine?
[06:03] <metalsand> no, metalsand is
[06:03] <bob2> so, ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:03] <metalsand> I don't need su access do I?
[06:03] <bob2> no
[06:03] <shiv> #flood
[06:04] <Brunellus> hi there.  stupid question:  when I shut a system down, does that get rid of whatever symlinks I've made?
[06:04] <bob2> no
[06:04] <bigfoot> bob2, whyameye, Question1. Is "top" in console is the same as Preferences-->Sessions-->Current Session Tab, or as System Tools-->system Monitor? Q2: What's the different b/w System Monitor and Sessions-->Current Session?  Q3 I just booted up my computer now, so my CPU is still processing rather well (pls see http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/287738 for current state). But maybe after an hour or so...
[06:05] <bob2> bigfoot: 1) no 2) don't know what "sessions->current session" is 3) wait, and run "top" in a terminal when you see the problem starting to manifest itself
[06:06] <Brunellus> bigfoot:  yeah, if you run top in a terminal
[06:06] <tga> bigfoot: that might be cron for you trying to do some things it missed while the machine was off
[06:06] <Brunellus> it'll tell you what process was taking up all your CPU/RAM
[06:06] <iamnow> hi
[06:06] <Brunellus> top is a neat tool like that :)
[06:06] <whyameye> so...what is the distinction people are making between <top> and system tools --> system monitor. One is graphical but other than that, are they basically the same?
[06:06] <nickrud> bigfoot, a good tool for seeing your system over time is the system monitor applet.
[06:06] <iamnow> hows w3m work? why is it included in server
[06:07] <Brunellus> gosh.  what's w3m?
[06:07] <bob2> iamnow: it's a web browser
[06:07] <geneo93> top eats more ram also
[06:07] <bob2> Brunellus: symlinks are just a type of file on your disk, they stay around like everything else on there
[06:07] <bob2> top does not eat more ram than a gnome app
[06:07] <iamnow> bob2: ok it works
[06:07] <nickrud> bigfoot, be sure to change to colors for each monitor to a strong contrast, so you can easily see each sub monitor
[06:07] <Brunellus> bob2:  OK.  weird.
[06:08] <iamnow> bob2: but the characters are messed
[06:08] <Brunellus> bob2:  I made a symlink between /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom
[06:08] <iamnow> and the layout
[06:08] <Brunellus> and it was gone when the machine rebooted
[06:08] <Brunellus> bizarrely
[06:08] <bob2> Brunellus: ah, well, that's different
[06:08] <bob2> Brunellus: /dev is not on your hard disk, it's a special filesystem that gets created on the fly at boot time
[06:08] <Brunellus> bob2:  howso?  I'm intrigued now
[06:08] <Brunellus> ah!
[06:09] <bob2> you should get that symlink automatically, tho
[06:09] <Brunellus> so wait--in order to point /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdc, It'd have to be done on boot, right?
[06:09] <Brunellus> bob2:  that's the bizarre thing
[06:09] <batma8> anyone use graveman?
[06:09] <batma8> i get this msg
[06:09] <batma8> /usr/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - (null)
[06:09] <Brunellus> every since I upgraded from warty, I don't get that link.
[06:09] <bigfoot> tga, Q1: What's cron? Q2 My problem (slow-running comp) happens after 4 or 5 hours of usage.
[06:09] <Brunellus> the warty/hoary upgrade has been bumpier than me than seems really necessary
[06:10] <bob2> Brunellus: hm, the program in charge of making it is "udev", and has config files in (surprisingly) /etc/udev/...there's a couple that look cd-related, maybe try uncommenting the stuff in cdsymlinks?
[06:10] <bigfoot> Brunellus, you said "top is a neat tool like that". Like what?
[06:10] <Brunellus> bigfoot:  the process that's hogging most resources seems to float right to...uh...the top, I think
[06:11] <Brunellus> so, in my case, for instance, my number one culprit is Xorg, the Xwindows server
[06:11] <bigfoot> nickrud, I do have the system monitor applet on my panel. Actually, that's how I realized that my computer is running slow.... when it showed 100% processor usage.
[06:11] <nickrud> bigfoot, if it's a thing that creeps up on you, it's probalby a bottleneck somewhere, and it's usually iowait
[06:11] <tga> bigfoot: 1) man cron, take a look in /etc/cron.daily/
[06:12] <Brunellus> nickrud:  what's iowait?
[06:12] <tga> bigfoot: 2) it could still be cron, or some other problem.. run top when it happens and see who's using the cpu
[06:12] <nickrud> bigfoot, change the colors in the processor monitor, and watch it
[06:12] <nickrud> Brunellus, usually, it's excessive swap usage
[06:12] <bob2> Brunellus: it means programs are waiting for data to come from disk, usually
[06:12] <Brunellus> ah, yeah, been there, done that
[06:12] <Brunellus> the dead giveaway is the deathrattle of my hdd :P
[06:13] <splatteralus> So my mom gave me her Celeron laptop with NO cdrom and NO ethernet port... what should I do with it?  I'm bored.
[06:13] <Brunellus> whoa.  lots of death in that last sentence.
[06:13] <tga> splatteralus: does it have a floppy?
[06:13] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  net-boot?
[06:13] <splatteralus> yeah has a floppy
[06:13] <tga> Brunellus: no ethernet
[06:13] <tga> splatteralus: does it have usb?
[06:13] <splatteralus> and one usb port on the back
[06:14] <tga> splatteralus: get an usb ethernet adapter
[06:14] <Brunellus> h'mmmm.  splatteralus, does it have a PCMCIA slot?
[06:14] <bigfoot> geneo93, "top eats more ram" than which?
[06:14] <splatteralus> yah
[06:14] <tga> splatteralus: make that a pcmcia ethernet adapter
[06:14] <splatteralus> tga: Wish I had one :/
[06:14] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  dead cheap down at your local computer emporium
[06:14] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, i'll take your advice and run top again when problem manifests itself.
[06:14] <tga> splatteralus: get a wireless card of some sort (and a router)
[06:15] <tga> splatteralus: not much you can do with it without a nic
[06:15] <splatteralus> tga: heh true :/
[06:15] <Brunellus> my first priority on any computer is connectivity now
[06:15] <Brunellus> I ended up working like a bastard to get my wlan up and running on this box
[06:15] <tga> even a 386 can make a good ssh station if it has a nic
[06:16] <Brunellus> as a result, I know more about ndiswrapper than I thought I would have done it
[06:16] <Billgate> big foot is gunbound
[06:16] <splatteralus> Brunellus: Broadcom chipset?
[06:16] <splatteralus> I got mine to work, 64 bit even
[06:16] <bigfoot> I'm using Xchat. I would like to save the chat in a text file. How do I keep the nice color coding, etc?
[06:16] <Brunellus> probably.  i'm having to use the lsbcmnds.inf file
[06:16] <Brunellus> lspci won't even tell me what it is
[06:16] <Billgate> ubuntu is the most bad linux
[06:17] <Brunellus> bigfoot:  if you'd enabled logging in xchat, the text log would be in ~/.xchat somewhere, I think
[06:17] <splatteralus> I really have no use for this laptop I dont know why I wanna get it online
[06:17] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  because it's free hardware, and making stuff work is good?
[06:17] <iamnow> in w3m the characters are messed up: what could this be?
[06:17] <splatteralus> hah yea, becomes a hobby
[06:17] <Brunellus> I'd love a gift laptop like that, actually
[06:17] <Brunellus> something I could haul around and not worry about
[06:18] <Brunellus> plaster stickers all over it.  punkrock laptop, rah.
[06:18] <tga> splatteralus: that's alright, if you don't need it I'll be happy to get it off your hands :)
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> does someone know where to find info on getting dual monitors running in ubuntu?
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> breezy
[06:18] <splatteralus> haha, we'll see
[06:18] <iamnow> how do i copy and paste with keys?
[06:18] <tga> iamnow: in what app?
[06:18] <Brunellus> seriously.  oh, splatteralus: do you think you can boot the thing from the usb?
[06:19] <tga> Brunellus: very unlikely
[06:19] <iamnow> iamnow: i just have messed up characters in w3m
[06:19] <Billgate> i think everyone must know http://www.distrowatch.com
[06:19] <Brunellus> it's worth a shot, tga...
[06:19] <splatteralus> Brunellus: I have a 25 meg USB storage device.
[06:19] <nickrud> does the ldp xinerama howto still apply to xorg?
[06:19] <tga> splatteralus: get a pcmcia nic and boot off a debian floppy or something
[06:19] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  a 128 MB one should be pretty darn cheap, and you can put damnsmall linux or puppy linux on it
[06:19] <iamnow> tga: i wondered if i could copy some messed up characters here
[06:19] <Brunellus> and boot it from that.  that would be a neat trick!
[06:20] <splatteralus> can you network install with ubuntu?
[06:20] <Billgate> who know mac
[06:20] <bob2> splatteralus: yes
[06:20] <bob2> as long as the machine can tftp boot
[06:20] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  yeah, you can.  there's a wikipage to that effect, I think
[06:20] <splatteralus> Cool
[06:20] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, I used that howto a couple of years ago, I think it still works
[06:20] <tga> splatteralus: your machine can't tftp boot
[06:20] <splatteralus> Lemme see if I can find a card lyinga round somewhere to make this work
[06:20] <Brunellus> good luck & godspeed, splatteralus
[06:20] <Brunellus> post about it on the forums.  should make for good reading
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok nickrun. is it on ubuntuguide?
[06:21] <splatteralus> haha, I think I can put a CD ROM drive in it actually, my dad has another crappy old dell laptop with a removable cd rom
[06:21] <Billgate> what is ubuntu
[06:21] <iamnow> what are locales...why does this w3m browser have messed up characters? like small a's with little arrows on top with blocks inbetween repeated and all messy
[06:21] <neofax> Hello everyone!
[06:21] <tga> splatteralus: are they both dells?
[06:21] <splatteralus> tga: yah
[06:21] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, I have no Idea, but googling ldp xinerama howto should be the first link
[06:21] <_seth> mplayer is telling me failed to open vcd://2. Why?
[06:21] <tga> splatteralus: that would help
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok thanks nickrun
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> *nickrud
[06:21] <splatteralus> tga: I guess in that case I should just download the newest iso and burn it
[06:21] <neofax> Anyone know how to change the boot from 800x600 to 1024x768?
[06:22] <tga> splatteralus: yup
[06:22] <splatteralus> I dont even wanna put X on this thing
[06:22] <splatteralus> soo slow
[06:22] <Brunellus> _seth:  do you have the w32 codecs installed
[06:22] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, it talks about xfree86, but the divergence at that level shouldn't matter
[06:22] <tga> splatteralus: be sure to do a 'server' install.. it will take X and a lightweight window manager
[06:22] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  with no X, it would be interesting
[06:22] <tga> splatteralus: just don't try to run gnome on it
[06:22] <_seth> Brunellus, yes.
[06:22] <splatteralus> tga: kde?
[06:23] <tga> splatteralus: no way
[06:23] <tga> splatteralus: openbox, windowmaker maybe
[06:23] <splatteralus> tga: ahh i hate those! :)
[06:23] <Brunellus> _seth:  will it play regular old datafiles from data-cds?
[06:23] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  fluxbox!
[06:23] <tga> splatteralus: windows 95 then
[06:23] <iamnow> messy console text in w3m what could be the problem?
[06:23] <batma8> what do you guys use to burn cds
[06:23] <tga> batma8: cdrecord
[06:24] <Brunellus> batma8: gnomebaker
[06:24] <nickrud> nautilus
[06:24] <tga> batma8: k3b is nice on X
[06:24] <batma8> thanks everyone
[06:24] <Brunellus> don't mention it
[06:26] <splatteralus> damn I found a PCMCIA NIC but I dont have the little plug to go into it :(
[06:26] <warpuck> I have a USB cdrom and I cant get Ubuntu to automount it when I put a cd in it mounts fine when I manualy mount it
[06:27] <geneo93> the dongle
[06:27] <warpuck> any one have any ideas?
[06:27] <_seth> Brunellus, it can play SVCD fine. A friend of mine ripped a VCD to an iso and uploaded it to my FTP. Mplayer won't see it though.
[06:27] <nickrud> warpuck, you should look on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for that, it's a bug
[06:27] <Brunellus> _seth.  weird.  Don't know what's going on then
[06:28] <Brunellus> splatteralus:  you don't have a dongle?
[06:28] <Brunellus> yucky.
[06:28] <Brunellus> if you're really fussed about it, you could try buying a new, dongle-less one...
[06:28] <Jazzy> hi
[06:29] <neofax> Anyone know how to change the consoles display size?
[06:29] <a_monkey> how do i find out the window class of file-roller?
[06:29] <Brunellus> hey bob2, about udev
[06:30] <_seth> Brunellus, if the contents of the CD are audio_ts and video_ts, that is VCD, right?
[06:30] <Brunellus> _seth:  I'm not sure.  I don't know enough about that format
[06:30] <jr_G-man> that's a dvd
[06:30] <macadamia> _seth dvd
[06:30] <_seth> Oh snap.
[06:31] <jr_G-man> vcd will have a 'mpeg' directory
[06:31] <Brunellus> bob2, about udev:  the cdrom-alias rules seem to be in order...
[06:31] <splatteralus> stupid dongle
[06:31] <jr_G-man> svcd's will have a mpeg2 directory
[06:31] <Brunellus> so I don't know why it isn't doing this at boot.
[06:32] <Brunellus> oh well.  yet another thing to read up about.  I probably won't take this system down for a while, so I'll just have to remember to get to it next time
[06:33] <DIgitalFox|sleep> is there a way to get ifconfig to list all interfaces, not just ones that are up?
[06:33] <nickrud> the eutopica  stack still need work  "_
[06:33] <iamnow> note to channel: w3m may require [o]  for options and then a charset change to fix messed up characters
[06:33] <jaysin> Hey Everyone!
[06:34] <Brunellus> h'lo jaysin
[06:34] <jaysin> I need a little help lmao
[06:34] <icebalm> omg some help rofl
[06:35] <jaysin> i just installed ubuntu today... how do i install yahoo messenger?
[06:35] <tga> jaysin: use gaim
[06:35] <Brunellus> jaysin:  you don't, is the short answer
[06:35] <ilba7r> use gaim
[06:35] <Brunellus> the longer answer is:  you use gaim to use the yahoo service
[06:35] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[06:36] <jaysin> how do i do that?
[06:36] <Brunellus> set up a user account w/in gaim, and you'll see the dialog for "protocol" or "service" or somesuch, and pull down to "yahoo"
[06:36] <tga> jaysin: you should already have gaim installed, look for it in the menu
[06:36] <ilba7r> from menu go under internet you will find it
[06:36] <Brunellus> jaysin:  it's under Internet in the main menu
[06:36] <ilba7r> or open a terminal and type gaim
[06:37] <Brunellus> ilba7r:  don't have him run stuff in the terminal.  if he can't find gaim, he won't be able to run the terminal....
[06:37] <jaysin> Sweetness! I'm all logged in!
[06:37] <ilba7r> brunellus : ok got your point
[06:37] <Brunellus> jaysin:  yup.  ain't life grand?
[06:37] <jaysin> thank you so much guys!
[06:37] <Brunellus> always a pleasure to help.
[06:37] <nalioth> l8r
[06:37] <jaysin> I'll probably be back soon :P
[06:38] <Brunellus> don't worry.  everybody is.
[06:38] <jaysin> lmao
[06:38] <Brunellus> there's always more to learn
[06:38] <CCFIEL> im in the middle of downloading ubuntu.. hope...it works..:)
[06:38] <Brunellus> it's actually quite addictive.
[06:38] <jaysin> have a good night :D
[06:38] <Brunellus> whew.  was it just me, or was that like a *kid*?
[06:38] <nickrud> the curve is an ever upward spiral
[06:38] <Xgates> anyone know whats with this ---> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory
[06:38] <Xgates> * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning : 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl:
[06:38] <icebalm> Brunellus: the intellect of one anyways
[06:39] <Brunellus> I gotta hand him some props for having the wits to try ubuntu out
[06:39] <tsheng> does anybody use a netgear wg311t wireless pci card?
[06:39] <icebalm> Brunellus: people like that should probably stick to windows
[06:39] <Brunellus> most kids don't know enough about their computers to even consider doing anything like that
[06:39] <nickrud> Brunellus, not to say getting a flood of answers, and getting it done :)
[06:39] <crimsun> Xgates: what sound chipste?
[06:39] <crimsun> -set
[06:39] <CCFIEL> is ther a way in gaim to automatically enter an irc channel..when ever i login?
[06:40] <Brunellus> icebalm:, nah, I'd rather they migrated
[06:40] <tga> CCFIEL: yes, use xchat for irc
[06:40] <Brunellus> if they come in honestly looking to learn instead of pitching tantrums, wel, that's nice.
[06:40] <Cybermagellan> Could someone prehaps help me figure out why my computer shutsdown randomly...without any prompts and with ACPI turned off?
[06:40] <CCFIEL> tga: another software?
[06:40] <Brunellus> although I'll confess to pitching the occasional tantrums when critical stuff wont' work
[06:40] <Xgates> crimsun: I'm using Audigy LS --> snd-ca0106
[06:40] <icebalm> Brunellus: bad precedent, people should atleast make an effort to learn on their own
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i see some kind of module called "fan" in lsmod.  can i control my fan speed?
[06:41] <crimsun> Xgates: 1.0.8 from universe's alsa-source, then?
[06:41] <jaysin> Told ya I'd be back
[06:41] <Xgates> crimsun: I had to recompile the kernel and take out alsa support and compile the alsa drivers
[06:41] <tga> CCFIEL: it comes already installed.. xchat is a decent irc client, gaim is more suited for instant messaging
[06:41] <Brunellus> wb jaysin
[06:41] <amonkey> is there a package i can get to make apache do asp content?
[06:41] <Brunellus> Xchat>gaim for IRC
[06:41] <crimsun> Xgates: you didn't need to recompile the kernel for that.
[06:41] <nickrud> icebalm, sometimes people don't know what they don't know, that's where teaching takes place
[06:41] <jaysin> What is the default SU password?
[06:41] <CCFIEL> tga: ic... so i need to run both of them.. :(
[06:42] <crimsun> Xgates: all the support is modularised so that you can avoid recompiling the kernel
[06:42] <tga> CCFIEL: is that such a big problem?
[06:42] <Brunellus> jaysin:  your user pass
[06:42] <jaysin> sweetness again :D
[06:42] <icebalm> jaysin: there isn't one, root is locked, your password is used for administration
[06:42] <Brunellus> $sudo COMMANDGOESHERE;  then you'll be prompted for your userpass
[06:42] <Xgates> crimsun: I compile been doing 5 years Im a Slack user ANYHOW you know anything about that amixer message?
[06:42] <Cybermagellan> anyone prehaps shed some light on why it's happening?
[06:42] <CCFIEL> tga: nope..i was thinking of integrating everything..:) are you using ubuntu linux now?
[06:42] <Brunellus> Cybermagellan:  how do you mean "shut down"
[06:42] <jaysin> "su: Authentication failure Sorry."
[06:42] <Brunellus> as in, switches runlevels and everything?
[06:43] <Brunellus> jaysin:  you don't switch users to su
[06:43] <Brunellus> you just use sudo
[06:43] <tga> CCFIEL: of course
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> Brunellus, no...it justs drops.
[06:43] <Brunellus> as in, zap, nothing?
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> Lights shut off...monitor turns off.
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> Yeah...
[06:43] <CCFIEL> tga: hehehhe..for how many months?
[06:43] <tga> CCFIEL: the unix way is to have apps do only one thing but do it well
[06:43] <crimsun> Xgates: (yes, I know you've used Slackware, but what I said is true regarding the Ubuntu kernel config.) I need more info, namely the version of ALSA and what you did.
[06:43] <Brunellus> umm, Cybermagellan, have you considered the possibility that your powersupply is fritzing out?
[06:43] <drummer87> tsheng, i have one (netgear wg311 v2) .. don't know about the 't' but it's a wireless pci
[06:43] <fallstorm> Or that the computer is overheating for some reason?
[06:44] <tga> CCFIEL: ubuntu? hard to tell, a couple of months before hoary came out
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Well I did an experiment....Windows will run all day long.....Ubuntu shutsdown
[06:44] <Brunellus> that's really weird.
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Yeah...
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Just ....click. Off
[06:44] <tga> anyone here using an orinoco wifi card?
[06:44] <a_monkey> can anybody please tell me the command for finding the window class of something?
[06:44] <Cybermagellan> Is there anyway I can trap what happens...if anything?
[06:45] <a_monkey> an app?
[06:45] <CCFIEL> tga: ic...what is your previos OS...im planning to install ubuntu..im in the middle of downloading the iso..
[06:45] <tga> I get something like eth1: MAC controller error (WTERR). Ignoring. when doing samba transfers and the whole thing locks down
[06:45] <icebalm> a_monkey: the "window class"?
[06:45] <geneo93> warty did that to me
[06:45] <crimsun> a_monkey: xls{atom,client}s
[06:45] <Brunellus> my previous OS was SuSE 9.1 Personal.  It worked well enough, but I like ubuntu *much* more
[06:45] <Xgates> crimsun: alsa-source 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 --> ./configure --with-oss=yes  --with-cards=ca0106
[06:45] <a_monkey> crimsun: thx
[06:45] <tsheng> drummer87, do you use madwifi drivers, or ndiswrapper?
[06:45] <nalioth> still have a bit of a problem with firewire
[06:45] <nalioth> but it's NBW
[06:45] <tga> CCFIEL: I've been using linux for a while now, so ubuntu is hardly something new
[06:45] <linuxamoeba21> hi there. im trying to get DVD playback to work on a fresh install of hoary; totem tells me i haven't the codecs but i installed libdvdcss2
[06:46] <Xgates> crimsun: just PM to me any answers you have or found I have to run to the store BRB  ;-)
[06:46] <crimsun> Xgates: just ping me when you return, thanks
[06:46] <Xgates> crimsun: ok :-)
[06:46] <drummer87> tsheng, ndiswrapper.. the madwifi drivers are for the atheros chipset
[06:46] <Xgates> thanks
[06:46] <a_monkey> crimsun: how do i obtain xls?
[06:46] <crimsun> a_monkey: those apps are in the 'xbase-clients' package.
[06:47] <tsheng> drummer87: i believe the wg311t uses atheros ar5212
[06:47] <drummer87> tsheng, the wg311 has 2 versions.. the old one had the atheros chip, but the new ones have texas instruments
[06:47] <a_monkey> crimsun: i have it installed but i have no xls binaruy
[06:47] <a_monkey> crimsun: binary*
[06:47] <crimsun> a_monkey: the names of the apps are xlsatoms and xlsclients
[06:47] <Cybermagellan> I'm starting to wonder...this didn't start happening till...the temperature went up in my apartment.....I live in AZ so it was like 80 with the Air Conditioning on
[06:47] <a_monkey> crimsun: oh
[06:48] <tga> Cybermagellan: is this a laptop or a desktop?
[06:48] <drummer87> tsheng, is it new? or an older card.. if there is no 'v2' written on the card itself next to the wg311 then u should use the madwifi drivers
[06:48] <Cybermagellan> Desktop
[06:48] <bigbill52a> a lot of computers bite the dust in the summer here in yuma
[06:48] <tsheng> the madwifi drivers don't work
[06:48] <tsheng> i'm sure the card uses atheros
[06:48] <pablo928> Cybermagellan: what poart of AZ?  I'm in Yuma.
[06:48] <nalioth> Cybermagellan: alcohol drip.. ..right on the cpu cooler, heh
[06:48] <bigbill52a> same here yuma
[06:48] <Cybermagellan> Tucson...
[06:48] <bigbill52a> foothills
[06:49] <bigbill52a> we have chatted b4 pablo
[06:49] <pablo928> Cybermagellan:yeah, it was about 108 F here today
[06:49] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: any ideas on the dvd thing? (playback in totem doesnt work, but i installed libdvdcss2)
[06:49] <bigbill52a> a good day to burn cd's 108 F...literally
[06:49] <Cybermagellan> pablo928, yeah...same here....
[06:49] <linuxamoeba21> gah
[06:49] <pablo928> \] bigbill52a, how are you tonight/
[06:50] <bigbill52a> just fine pablo
[06:50] <Cybermagellan> And I live on a corner apartment....two outa 4 sides of my apartment are subjected to the sun all day
[06:50] <bigbill52a> nice and toasty
[06:50] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: you need a number of packages that should be outlined at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <nalioth> but it's a "dry" heat <snort>
[06:50] <bigbill52a> if you have a spot for an extra fan in your computer...i would buy one and install it
[06:50] <bigbill52a> so is an oven
[06:51] <tsheng> drummer87, lspci tells me it's an atheros ar5212
[06:51] <Cybermagellan> Yeah...I might just haveta do that
[06:51] <nalioth> you AZ users don't subscribe to the peltier sandwich?
[06:51] <Cybermagellan> ...?
[06:51] <drummer87> tsheng, i'm not sure how to get the wifi drivers working, sorry, but the ubuntu wiki lists that card as working out of the box..
[06:52] <nalioth> the lack of humidity out there should negate the condensation factor
[06:52] <bigbill52a> those small, compact computers are especially susceptible to heat....no place for a fan either
[06:52] <drummer87> that looks fine
[06:52] <drummer87> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiWithSomeoneElsesRouterHowTo  has some info about loading the atheros modules
[06:52] <Brunellus> go, and sin no more.
[06:52] <bigbill52a> we are already at the foothills of hell....
[06:52] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: (and the other hot-weather folks) hve a look at this: http://www.gideontech.com/content/articles/180/1
[06:52] <tandy> anyone know how i can mount this hardrive that has Ontrack DM6 on it so i can access the data underl nux
[06:53] <tsheng> drummer87, thanks a lot... I've seen all of that, I think the problem is the version of the card I bought... will have to try NDIS
[06:53] <Madpilot> adding extra fans to a case is pretty straightforward.
[06:53] <tandy> the rest of it is formatted as fat 32
[06:53] <Brunellus> man.  I need to make big posters with stupid things on them, like basic bash commands and html tags
[06:53] <drummer87> tsheng, the device should be listed as ath0 under network interfaces (as opposed to wlan0)..
[06:53] <Brunellus> and post them up around this computer
[06:54] <Cybermagellan> Madpilot, yeah...I have to aquire a fan...I have a whole side off of my computer
[06:54] <drummer87> tsheng, NDIS shouldn't be too hard to set up.. went quite smoothly for me (slightly different card though)
[06:54] <Cybermagellan> I'm about to take the whole covers off
[06:54] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: extra fans are pretty cheap (less than $20 USD for decent ones) and do make a difference...
[06:54] <bigbill52a> get some compressed air and blow the dust off the cpu fan with the plug pulled of course
[06:55] <nickrud> lol, postits are not a substitute for writing on your hand
[06:55] <bigbill52a> wall plug..that is
[06:55] <tsheng> the ath_pci and ath_hal work
[06:55] <tsheng> but ath0 gives me a HAL status 13 error
[06:55] <wasap> i used to use gentoo and im testin this out. is there a tmp dir that fills up with all the debs that download to install?
[06:55] <Cybermagellan> bigbill52a, yeah I have yet to do that...I just think it is wierd that Windows works fine :(
[06:55] <tsheng> which means it's not supported
[06:55] <Madpilot> more case cooling stuff: http://creativemods.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=39
[06:55] <nalioth> if i lived in a dryer environment, i'd have a peltier element
[06:56] <bigbill52a> smoking makes things worse...sticky film for dust to stick to
[06:56] <nalioth> but since i live in Houston (humidity year round), not possible w/o a drainage plan
[06:56] <Madpilot> I dabble in case-modding, lots of it is just lights & goofiness, but the cooling & quiet PC stuff really does work
[06:56] <bigbill52a> we could put air coolers in our puters...lol
[06:56] <drummer87> hmm.. sorry, don't know what that error is.
[06:56] <tsheng> drummer87, I suspect something about the card has changed
[06:56] <iamnow> anyone bothered to do a workaround with this mozilla extension bs?
[06:56] <bigbill52a> yeah...fans do work
[06:57] <rideout> wasap:  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:57] <Cybermagellan> iamnow, what extension bs?
[06:57] <wasap> so i can empty that out to make room?
[06:57] <rideout> yeah
[06:57] <rideout> or #apt-get clean
[06:58] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: i ran the script from there, and now totem doesnt throw an error, but hangs while (apparently) reading the disc (about 5 minutes now...)
[06:58] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: if you use firefox you cant install themes or extensions in ubuntu because of gayness
[06:58] <nickrud> Madpilot, I'm about to run in the hottest summer enviro ever, got a single url that will point me to the best solution?
[06:58] <cikilin> good morning everybody!
[06:58] <carvE> anyone having issues with the Motorola wireless cards on the latest distro release of ubuntu?
[06:58] <nickrud> Madpilot, keeping in mind I'm as cheap as they get
[06:58] <bigbill52a> i did find that my processor was running hotter with one version of linux...trying to think which one it was...worked fine with the amd-64 version but about 20degrees hotter with the 386 version...strange
[06:58] <Cybermagellan> iamnow, did you change the identifier for the version in about:config?
[06:58] <Madpilot> nickrud: if you've got $$$ to throw at it, there's always watercooling.
[06:58] <nickrud> lol
[06:58] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: make sure DMA is enabled for your dvd drive
[06:58] <nickrud> cheeeeep, I know of water cooling
[06:59] <dust> `lo
[06:59] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: is it safe?
[06:59] <Madpilot> nickrud: cheap, huh? a big 120mm fan at the front of the case, 2x 80mm somewhere else to extract
[06:59] <Madpilot> the 120 should be an intake fan.
[06:59] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: thought it wasnt supposed to work
[06:59] <Cybermagellan> iamnow, well safer than complaining....honestly..if it is that big of a deal download and compile
[06:59] <nickrud> Madpilot, although, to be honest, with 110 degree temps, water cooling may be the way I have to go
[07:00] <dust> anyon know why an apt-cache search isn't pulling up xserver-xorg?
[07:00] <Madpilot> nickrud: you might want to search and/or ask on some of the modding forums.
[07:00] <dust> can't seem to install it :(
[07:00] <nalioth> nickrud: you could do what that german guy did, drop the mobo into a fish tank filled with a light flower oil
[07:00] <nickrud> Madpilot, a pointer or two where I can lurk for a while would be appreciated
[07:00] <iamnow> Cybermagellan: or i could drink alcohol from a paper bag :>
[07:00] <rideout> check the sources.list
[07:00] <nalioth> only thing out was the HD adn CDrom
[07:00] <Madpilot> nickrud: I like BitTech's forums --> http://forums.bit-tech.net/  but there are lots of other good sites
[07:00] <Cybermagellan> News just said .... 107 today
[07:01] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: andy@bengal:/mnt$ sudo /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd        /dev/dvd:       setting using_dma to 1 (on)          HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted           using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:01] <cliebow_>  45 degrees here and pouring
[07:01] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: 107 F = 42 C - holy sh*t!
[07:01] <dust> rideout: were you talking to me?
[07:01] <Cybermagellan> That's how hot it got here...
[07:01] <rideout> dust: yes
[07:01] <rideout> make sure you have the right repos
[07:02] <subxero> Could anyone help me with a "lost connection" problem I'm having with aMule?
[07:02] <dust> rideout: i have the warty universe uncommented
[07:02] <Madpilot> nickrud: GideonTech also has good forums: http://forums.gideontech.com/
[07:02] <cikilin> goodmorning everybody!:)
[07:02] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: hmm, make sure your controller supports it (it should). You may wish to check the wiki and forum regarding your controller, particularly if it's SATA
[07:02] <dust> though the disks i used to install are old, 4.10
[07:02] <carvE> Could some one link me to someplace with a good howto on using motorola wireless pci cards ?
[07:02] <dust> did a dist-upgrade after install was done though
[07:02] <nickrud> Madpilot, thanks, I'll take a look, but, hopefully, I'll move back to the coast :)
[07:02] <tga> dust: dist-upgrade to hoary
[07:03] <Madpilot> nickrud: if it's that hot, moving might be your best case-cooling option! :)
[07:03] <Cybermagellan> Is there a way I can check to see what the CPU temp is if I reenable ACPI?
[07:03] <rideout> dust: have you done an apt-get upgrade recenty?
[07:04] <nickrud> Madpilot, I'll probably replace my 5 year old sys with a state of the art cooled system, and end up not needing it next year :)
[07:04] <cikilin> can anybody help me warty to hoary?
[07:04] <rideout> Cybermagellan: acpi -V
[07:04] <dust> nothing needs updating according to apt
[07:04] <dust> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> does "switched dual rj45" imply that a device will have an input and output so that it can sit "between" another device on the network?
[07:04] <Cybermagellan> That's in cli?
[07:04] <Brunellus> ok chaps.  off to bed.
[07:04] <dust> lata brune
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> like this sip phone will not require a separate cable from my hub?
[07:05] <Madpilot> nickrud: well, then your supercooled system will run really fast when you get back to cooler climes... :)
[07:05] <Cybermagellan> rideout, I use that in CLI?
[07:05] <rideout> dust: is this in your /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[07:06] <Dreamer3> can someone ls -l /usr/bin/pumount for me
[07:06] <dust> nay
[07:06] <dust> all warty
[07:06] <rideout> Cyber: yesmagellan
[07:06] <rideout> Cybermagellan: yes
[07:06] <Cybermagellan> Cool, I'll reenable ACPI and try it...thanks
[07:06] <Madpilot> speaking of cooling, has anyone ever gotten lssensors working w/ a new ASUS mobo?
[07:06] <nickrud> Madpilot, nah, I'm conservative, I'll use the cooling to extend life, not overclock
[07:06] <crimsun> Dreamer3: -rwsr-xr--  1 root plugdev 17016 2005-04-04 12:38 /usr/bin/pumount
[07:07] <dust> rideout: thought a dist-upgrade would fix all that jazz
[07:07] <pablo928> Madpilot:lm sensors work with my asus a7v8x-x
[07:08] <nickrud> Madpilot, again, thanks for the links, I'll follow up
[07:08] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks ;-)
[07:08] <carvE> for configuring my wireless connection on ubuntu, should i use iwconfig, i tried the GUI version of the network configurator, but it doesnt recognize my wireless card. thanks <3
[07:08] <sherwin> how do i install internet explorer on wine
[07:08] <Madpilot> pablo928: good to hear. my Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe doesn't seem to want to talk to lmsensors...
[07:09] <Madpilot> nickrud: NP. be warned that case modding is more than a bit addictive... :)
[07:09] <pablo928> Madpilot:is that a via chipset/
[07:09] <nalioth> nickrud: hear hear. i bought and set up a chinese junk shop duron 1.8 yestern, and i'm amazed at the speed it has
[07:09] <goldfish> sherwin: why oh dear god why?
[07:09] <pablo928> ?
[07:09] <Madpilot> sherwin: Why would anyone EVER want to install IE? :(
[07:09] <Madpilot> pab
[07:09] <rideout> dust: I am setting my sources to warty and updating to see what i get, it will be just a moment
[07:10] <Madpilot> pablo928: not sure. let me check...
[07:10] <nalioth> sherwin: the viruses and spyware don't work on linux
[07:10] <nickrud> Madpilot, I got all that addictiveness out of my system a long time ago (I was a bench tech) now I just want results
[07:10] <dust> rideout: thanks. just tried to dist-upgrade and getting 0 on all
[07:10] <gdarel> Anyone here have any information about configuring the wireless card in a Presario 2600?
[07:10] <tga> nalioth: I don't think you can feel anything over 1GHz/256M for normal desktop stuff
[07:11] <nickrud> Madpilot, and, at first glance, I'll find some things that will give me the results I want
[07:11] <carvE> Is there a list anywhere of the wireless cards ubuntu is KNOWN to support?
[07:11] <geneo93> dust do you have hoary repositories
[07:11] <crimsun> carvE: yes, see the wiki.
[07:11] <carvE> thanks
[07:11] <dust> geneo93: all repo's in sources.list are warty
[07:12] <rideout> dust: I have the package available to download using this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <nalioth> tga, exactly. why do i need overclocking when the SOB does what i click to do, b4 my index finger gets off the mouse?
[07:12] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: the device is SATA i believe, and it automounts fine but still kills totem.
[07:12] <rideout> dust: you have the universe part, yes?
[07:12] <dust> rideout: ah, i don't have multiverse repo's anywhere
[07:12] <dust> rideout: yes
[07:12] <Cybermagellan> hmmm, so if acpi -V says  Thermal 1: passive active[0] ,<PHONE_NUMBER>.0 degrees C then I can bet it is worthless?
[07:12] <Madpilot> pablo928: Nvidia NForce2 on the A7N8X-E Deluxe
[07:12] <goldfish> gdarel: What card is it?
[07:13] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: ok, please check the wiki & forum
[07:13] <Madpilot> nickrud: good, there is lots of good info out there on cooling
[07:13] <gdarel> GOldfish.... good question how do I tell? It's detected but just wont acatavate
[07:13] <linuxamoeba21> i did...
[07:13] <dust> rideout: safe to add it into sources.list anywhere and do an upgrade ?
[07:13] <pablo928> Madpilot:my mb has the via chipsrt, don't know if lm sensors work well with the nvidia
[07:13] <nickrud> Madpilot, those links have already given me some ideas :)
[07:14] <nalioth> tga, matter of fact, that chinese (computer) junk shop had a reasonable deal on the 1.8 Duron systems + monitor
[07:14] <goldfish> gdarel: run 'lspci' in a terminal, look for it in that list.
[07:14] <nalioth> tga: i was so impressed, i may get one
[07:14] <rideout> dust: yes, on a new line
[07:14] <Madpilot> pablo928: afraid of that; i have heard of probs w/ Asus mobos. too bad
[07:14] <carvE> crimsun: is there anyway to recompile the kernel and add support for my wireless, or via wine using windows drivers?
[07:14] <nickrud> mainly, air flow, air flow, air flow, air flow, and maybe a cooling coil in a strategic place
[07:14] <crimsun> carvE: what wireless chipset?
[07:15] <carvE> Motorola Wireless PCI Adapter WPCI810G
[07:15] <rideout> carvE: use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers
[07:15] <nalioth> nickrud: you could always cut a hole in the top and add a stack off of an 18-wheeler (6" diameter) and stick a fan in it
[07:15] <Madpilot> nickrud: more good basic info here: http://www.7volts.com/   and here:  http://www.cpemma.co.uk/index.html
[07:15] <Madpilot> the 7volts site is an esp good one
[07:16] <pablo928> Madpilot:i am about ready to build a back-up box. To be safe i'm going to use the same mb i have now.
[07:16] <rideout> dust: any luck?
[07:16] <nickrud> nalioth, you are not (or maybe are :) amusing
[07:16] <Cybermagellan> Madpilot, so my ACPI readout is pretty much worthless?
[07:16] <dust> rideout: ran apt-get update then searched apt-cache for xserver
[07:17] <nickrud> nalioth, the amusing part is, I may need that :)
[07:17] <dust> rideout: still no dice on an xserver-xorg package
[07:17] <nickrud> my god, it's only may, and its already 92 degrees here
[07:17] <nalioth> nickrud: sorry, drove a 18-wheeler for 10 years when i got out of the army. for me 2 "stack" my box would be both efficient and nostalgic
[07:17] <subxero> nearly 100 in here.
[07:17] <nalioth> houston had record temps today, also
[07:17] <Tritis> 54 here :(
[07:18] <goldfish> gdarel: Any luck?
[07:18] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: please don't mistake me for an expert, but that reading didn't look very sensible...
[07:18] <nalioth> hey US guys, are we havin a holiday monday?
[07:18] <MobyTurbo> 52 outside, according to the GNOME weather applet. :-)
[07:18] <subxero> Maybe I should turn those five computers off I'm not using. And how about those lights... 8 sixty-watt bulbs. Ouch. No fans, either.
[07:18] <rideout> dust: you don't have any wierd /etc/apt/preferences stuff do you?
[07:18] <carvE> is ndiswapper installed with the newest release?
[07:18] <gdarel> Goldfish.... It shows two, not sure how to tell the differance... first one is.
[07:18] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I just thought you knew C....so that large number didn't make any sense
[07:18] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, not this monday but the monday after that
[07:18] <goldfish> emmm
[07:18] <dust> rideout: nope
[07:18] <nickrud> nalioth, i almost moved to san antonio today for my job, but didn't. I do thank somone
[07:18] <gdarel> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[07:19] <mattlins> I asked this earlier, but had to run. How do I run a rpm for the Java sdk 1.4.2_8?  I just need the command.  I tried rpm <java_sdk.rpm>
[07:19] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: what was the # again? looked far too large to be reasonable...
[07:19] <crimsun> mattlins: use alient -i
[07:19] <gdarel> Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller
[07:19] <nalioth> nickrud: san antonio is close to austin
[07:19] <nalioth> nickrud: austin is party central
[07:19] <goldfish> gdarel: It's the first one.
[07:19] <dust> rideout: apt-get dist-upgrade still not upgrading ><
[07:19] <crimsun> mattlins: that would be alien, sorry, not alient
[07:19] <gdarel> that's the internal one right? That's the one that wont seem to turn on
[07:19] <whyameye> carvE: I can't remember if ndiswrapper is included, but it certainly is one of the available ubuntu packages. Works great. I'm using it now...
[07:19] <nalioth> nickrud: holy moly! i forgot! austin has that killer theater with table service and wifi in the theater
[07:20] <sherwin> my cafe timer wants was looking for it
[07:20] <nickrud> nalioth, I would like austin, I think, but I'll settle for a little cooler weather. And san anton is no a closes thing, it may happen later
[07:20] <MobyTurbo> mattlins, alien would work, but it's better to download the bin, apt-get install java-package, then run "fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk-foo.bin"
[07:20] <subxero> Anyone here any good with network problems? I'm new to Linux (using Ubuntu for about a week, now.)
[07:20] <Madpilot> OK, found Cybermagellan's number - 4 294 967 040.0 degrees Celsius = 7 730 940 704 degrees Fahrenheit....
[07:20] <goldfish> gdarel: Okay, you need to install the windows drivers for that card using ndisrapper.
[07:20] <goldfish> *ndiswrapper
[07:21] <linuxamoeba21> egh... i can get dvds to play on Kaffeine, but its jumpy... and i compy won't let me enable DMA
[07:21] <Madpilot> Google will translate just about any units. Just put, say, "107 F in C" in the search box. pretty cool trick.
[07:21] <Cybermagellan> Madpilot, which in theory is the temperature of the sun
[07:21] <gdarel> is there detailed instructions for that somewhere?
[07:21] <nalioth> nickrud: are you from north of Texas?
[07:21] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: something like that! :)
[07:21] <nickrud> nalioth, I am from Idaho, but claim Seattle, and live in so cal :)
[07:21] <rideout> dust: i don't know what else to check, I set my sources.list to just use the line I cited above and apt-cache search xserver returned the package you wanted, I don't know what could be messing with your setup
[07:21] <nalioth> nickrud: then stay away from texas
[07:22] <grateful_> crimsun,  what do you want me to tell you from that printout?>
[07:22] <nalioth> nickrud: you will die
[07:22] <dust> rideout: anyway to get it to update to hoary?
[07:22] <crimsun> grateful_: the actual network controller line
[07:22] <nickrud> nalioth, no, I can get a carry permit there with 16 hours of classes :)
[07:22] <rideout> dust: yeah
[07:22] <grateful_> National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller
[07:22] <Cybermagellan> Ok, so tomarrow I am going to take everything apart...disable my power switch (my son keeps pressing it in) clean out the fan/processor/ everything. And then try it again...
[07:22] <Cybermagellan> but for right now...I sleep
[07:22] <Cybermagellan> thanks everyone
[07:23] <nalioth> nickrud: the intense temperatures + humidity will not let you keep the permitted in very many places
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> there's a real funny story about a girl who wore a BSD daemon T-Shirt in a Texas restaurant and was asked "why are you wearing the prince of darkness on your T Shirt" and "Does the government use those devil computers?"   I tried accessing root by typing su.  But, apparently it does not take my password.  When did I setup the root account.  I only remember setting up my user account.
[07:24] <nickrud> nalioth, yeah, that's why I thank someone, but I've also spent time on the south atlantic coast, so I do have a clue about the weather
[07:24] <mattlins> I'm on a fresh install
[07:24] <MobyTurbo> mattlins, the Ubuntu way is to use sudo
[07:24] <mattlins> oh
[07:24] <bob2> mattlins: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:24] <dust> rideout: thanks for the help. i'm sure that once i get this beast upgraded it should resolve this wonkyness
[07:24] <bob2> mattlins: it did explain this to you during the install...
[07:25] <subxero> bob2: Is there any type of real root account?
[07:25] <crimsun> grateful_: lsmod|grep natsemi
[07:25] <nickrud> besides, It's the pople that make the place not the weather, and I've heard nothing really bad about the area from people I know
[07:25] <rideout> dust: no prob, I got some great help here when I was starting out a few years back, so now its my turn to give back -as much as I can anyway
[07:25] <bob2> subxero: you can make one if you really want to, but there's no point
[07:26] <nalioth> nickrud: habla espanol?
[07:26] <grateful_> natsemi                27872  0
[07:26] <dust> rideout: i know the feeling :) . looking forward to doing the same when i've felt my way through this system
[07:26] <nickrud> nalioth, the carry thing was a joke for my liberal friends, and un poqito
[07:26] <crimsun> grateful_: and ifconfig ? (use #flood)
[07:26] <subxero> bob2: Hmm... I like command lines, but if I want to do mass file management with a graphical program, how would I be root and do this?
[07:26] <nalioth> nickrud: texas is slowly goin back to mexico
[07:26] <bob2> subxero: don't know
[07:27] <bob2> subxero: maybe 'sudo nautilus'
[07:27] <nalioth> nickrud: spanish is necessary in my job (and i'm a gringo)
[07:27] <rideout> mattlins: It isn't kosher ubuntu but, sudo su; passwd
[07:27] <nickrud> nalioth, it's where it came from, and so is so cal, and I don't have a problem
[07:27] <subxero> bob2: Let me try that...
[07:27] <grateful_> permission denied
[07:27] <nalioth> subxero: "sudo nautilus" or "sudo konqueror" work for me
[07:27] <NicP> try gksudo nautilus
[07:27] <grateful_> ubuntu never asked me to setup a su password
[07:27] <nalioth> subxero: just be sure you remember you have a root FM open
[07:27] <nalioth> subxero: launch it from the terminal
[07:28] <NicP> if u use gksudo you dont need to launch from the terminal
[07:28] <NicP> you can type it in "run application"
[07:28] <grateful_> SIOCSIFADDR: No such devic
[07:29] <subxero> nalioth, bob2: Works OK. It prints a lot of ignorable errors to the console window, but that's not a big deal. gksudo 'fixes' that.
[07:29] <tga> what's a good console news reader?
[07:29] <bob2> tga: slrn's rather popular
[07:29] <tga> thanks
[07:29] <grateful_> crimsum?
[07:29] <crimsun> grateful_: still waiting for output in #flood
[07:29] <dust> got the dist-upgrade running and my flu symptoms are hitting me hard again :( . going to call it a night
[07:30] <dust> thanks for the help everyone, take care.
[07:30] <cikilin> crisum what that it means?:If you are Not running NFS (Network File System) as a client or a server then remove the portmap package:?
[07:30] <Weems> whats wrong with breezy:
[07:30] <crimsun> cikilin: where do you see that?
[07:30] <grateful_> i don't know what that means
[07:31] <MobyTurbo> Weems, if you need to ask you shouldn't.
[07:31] <cikilin> here:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[07:31] <bob2> Weems: lots of things
[07:31] <crimsun> grateful_: /join #flood
[07:31] <crimsun> grateful_: the paste the output of that command I gave you
[07:31] <bob2> Weems: including, you can't login on the console and X won't start
[07:31] <nalioth> weems, its a work-in-progress
[07:31] <grateful_> oh
[07:31] <bob2> they're my two favourite bugs
[07:31] <nalioth> Weems: wait for "release candidate" to appear in breezys version
[07:32] <cikilin> ?
[07:32] <pablo928> bob2:minor problems like those?
[07:32] <bob2> haha
[07:32] <Madpilot> bob2: are Breezy users able to turn their machines off yet? :)
[07:32] <bob2> Madpilot: hope they have a UPS ;p
[07:32] <tyler> I'm having an issue with IDE
[07:32] <cikilin> crisum
[07:33] <tyler> More spefically, the generic IDE driver is taking over before my board-specific driver
[07:33] <tyler> see http://cg2.org/dmesg.txt
[07:33] <rideout> I'm using a breezy hoary hybrid with /etc/apt/preferences hacks that seems to wok well
[07:33] <tyler> System is 5.04, on amd64 on a via kt800 board
[07:33] <crimsun> cikilin: are you using NFS?
[07:34] <crimsun> cikilin: if you don't know, you're not, so execute that command.
[07:34] <cikilin> i dont know how to check
[07:34] <Weems> I know its a early relelase
[07:34] <Weems> I jkust like to get the newest things
[07:35] <Weems> just*
[07:35] <mattlins> Earlier, you guys gave me a link to install the java 1.5 package, but I need to install the 1.4.2_8 package.  I downloaded the rpm from sun and ran it with sudo alien <java_1.4.2_8.rpm> and I get a bunch of errors.  Is there another way?
[07:35] <bob2> are you sure you need 1.4?
[07:35] <tyler> hrrm, my file seems to be 404ed...
[07:36] <tyler> lemme investigate
[07:36] <mattlins> Yes, because my redhat server uses 1.4.2_8
[07:36] <mattlins> and they won't upgrade
[07:36] <linuxamoeba21> got dvd playback but very choppy. apparently dma doesn't play well with SATA.. anyone have experience with this
[07:36] <linuxamoeba21> ?
[07:36] <bob2> mattlins: you do need to give alien some command line options...
[07:36] <MobyTurbo> mattlins, get the bin, not the rpm, install java-package and make a deb to dpkg -i using java-package.
[07:36] <tga> why are you installing java from rpms anyway?
[07:37] <crimsun> grateful_: I don't see your card
[07:37] <rideout> Weems: use /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * \n Pin: release a=breezy \n Pin-Priority: 100 \n Package: * \n Pin: release a=hoary \n Pin-Priority: 500
[07:37] <tga> get the bin file and build the deb yourself
[07:37] <mattlins> ok tga thanks
[07:37] <mattlins> i will get the bin
[07:37] <mattlins> is rpm old?
[07:37] <crimsun> grateful_: does your nic come from Netgear (says so on the box)?
[07:37] <nickrud> rideout, ohh, maybe I can start sooner than I thought :)
[07:37] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: can you spare a dumbass the directions to turn a source gz into a deb?
[07:37] <tyler> Okay, it works now... http://cg2.org/dmesg.txt
[07:38] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, well, although this isn't recommended for java's bin, because it can use /etc/alternative links made by java-package, use checkinstall.
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, if you have checkinstall, all you have to do is run "make checkinstall" instead of "make install" and you can make a deb.
[07:39] <rideout> nickrud: with that you need to do apt-get -t breezy to specify what you want from that repo
[07:39] <E0x> hello
[07:39] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: my research indicates that hdparm doesn't work with SATA... you know of a workaround to get DMA turned on?
[07:39] <tsheng> NIC Question: I have a Netgear WG311T using the Atheros AR5213 chip, but the card shows up on lspci as AR5212, and so I can't get the interface up and running.  Can someone tell me how I can manually change the driver to AR5213?
[07:39] <E0x> how i can make my ipod mount with write permission ?
[07:40] <bob2> tsheng: it seems pretty unlikely that the pci id is wrong...are you sure it's a ar5213?
[07:40] <bob2> E0x: don't you use gtkpod or such for tht?
[07:40] <nickrud> rideout, yeah, I had the equiv with exprimental for gnome, but, on reflection, I'll probably pass until august
[07:40] <E0x> not ,ubuntu mount it automaty and i want in that way
[07:40] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:40] <goldfish> hi
[07:40] <E0x> but  i need write permission
[07:40] <tsheng> bob2, that's what netgear tech support told me
[07:41] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: I don't, sorry
[07:41] <tyler> linuxamoeba21,: From what I've seen on my system (kt800 board, using sata_via) it always uses DMA, UDMA133 to be exact
[07:41] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: yes i have been using checkinstall for years
[07:41] <nickrud> rideout, that was my inner child speaking :)
[07:41] <bob2> tsheng: hrm. is it a pci card?
[07:41] <tsheng> bob2, do you know how the pci id works?  is it in the card's firmware?
[07:41] <tyler> linuxamoeba21,: Do you have to reason to suspect you AREN'T getting dma?
[07:41] <tsheng> bob2, yeah
[07:41] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: i just thought there may have been an (unkonw to me) dpkg command
[07:42] <bob2> tsheng: it's in the asic's on the chip, I think, even more hard-coded than the firmware
[07:42] <bitsmash> how do i install flash into firefox
[07:42] <bob2> tsheng: does loading the ath_pci driver work?
[07:42] <bob2> bitsmash: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <nalioth> bitsmash: ubuntuguide.org
[07:42] <bob2> bitsmash: but be warned the binary flash plugin is pretty crap and will make firefox quite crashy
[07:42] <MobyTurbo> nalioth, it's a bit more complicated to make your own debs otherwise, though of course if your debs are bound for a repository it might be that checkinstall isn't adaquate.
[07:42] <rideout> nickrud: i always seem to get to anxious and destroy my box trying to get the latest and greatest ;)
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: when i run $ sudo /sbin/hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd i get " dev/dvd: setting using_dma to 1 (on)       HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted        using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:43] <tsheng> bob2, yes... ath_pci and ath_hal drivers work, but it can't bring up ath0... I get a HAL 13 unsupported device error
[07:43] <nalioth> MobyTurbo: ty
[07:43] <tyler> your dvd driver is almost certainly ide
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: and during install Kaffeine told me it wasnt on
[07:43] <bob2> tsheng: hmmm
[07:43] <nickrud> rideout, when you actually have to produce with your box, you get conserative :)
[07:43] <tyler> I'm actually fighting the same issue with my CDROm drive at the moment
[07:43] <bob2> tsheng: dmesg shows that they found the card?
[07:43] <tsheng> bob2, yes
[07:43] <garnertr> evening all
[07:44] <goldfish> hello garnertr
[07:44] <bob2> tsheng: wow, weird
[07:44] <garnertr> hello goldfish
[07:44] <KarlosII> wppt
[07:44] <KarlosII> woot
[07:44] <goldfish> sw00t
[07:44] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: i didnt have any issues with the cdrom... what's the prob with yours?
[07:44] <tsheng> bob2, ath_hal <IP_ADDRESS> is loaded, which supports ar5210, 5211, and 5212, but not 5213, so I suspect that Netgear tech support is right about the identity of the chipset
[07:45] <nickrud> and thanks mr wier, and mr. stone, and mr. zimmerman, and mr. troup and others so his child gets to play as best he can
[07:45] <goldfish> hey Xgates
[07:45] <Xgates> oi goldfish
[07:45] <carthik> Does ubuntu come with a pre-installed firewall?
[07:45] <Xgates> crimsun: :-)
[07:45] <garnertr> oops!
[07:45] <rideout> nickrud: that is what my debian stable box is for: it may be a little out of date, but damn is it stable
[07:45] <E0x> how i can make my ipod mount with write permission ? ( the automount way )
[07:45] <Xgates> crimsun: you in I pinged ya
[07:45] <Xgates> hehe
[07:45] <carthik> The reason I ask is I am trying to get a printer to work over IPP
[07:46] <carthik> I configured the printer, and it works
[07:46] <nickrud> Riddell, this box will become a stable soon, and my personal machine will be mine
[07:46] <bob2> tsheng: hm, ok
[07:46] <tyler> linuxamoeba21: The same as with your dvd (It's actually a DVD/CD-RW combo drive), can't enable DMA
[07:46] <bob2> E0x: is it possible?
[07:46] <carthik> but I cant print to it from another computer (which is on the wireless network) using ipp://ip.add.re.ss:631/printers/printer-name
[07:46] <tsheng> bob2, maybe this card has some identity issues he needs to work out, hehe
[07:46] <tyler> linuxamoeba21: try hdparm -d 1ing your cd-rom drie
[07:46] <crimsun> Xgates: pong
[07:47] <bob2> tsheng: if the module loads at all, I would think that means the pci id stuff is ok and that the problem is deeper in the driver
[07:47] <nickrud> there's no way I can name 900, so I named a few
[07:47] <linuxamoeba21> tyler. i did. it gives the error i posted above
[07:47] <rideout> does anyone know where I can find the breezy changelog?
[07:47] <tyler> linuxamoeba: Yea, that's the same error I'm getting
[07:47] <Xgates> crimsun: haha
[07:47] <tyler> linuxamoeba21: my point being, it's an IDE issue, not SATA
[07:48] <nickrud> rideout, subscribe to breezy-changes
[07:48] <bob2> tsheng: doing a bit of a google is interesting, a few people have had problems getting it working, but madwifi claims to support it
[07:48] <tsheng> bob2, yup
[07:48] <bob2> tsheng: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=compatibility_list
[07:48] <Xgates> crimsun: ok where were we, yes I compiled alsa-drvers source by hand and then made it into a .deb
[07:48] <bob2> tsheng: madwifi != ath_pci, right?
[07:48] <rideout> nickrud: mailing list?
[07:48] <linuxamoeba21> tyler: the only even vaguely possibly useful resource i've found so far is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29443.html. i'll go ask in #linux
[07:49] <nickrud> rideout, yes
[07:49] <tsheng> bob2, i thought it was
[07:49] <Xgates> crimsun: but I know this is not the problem because when I compiled it as --> make-kpkg --stem linux modules_image
[07:49] <Xgates>  I got the same message too
[07:49] <E0x> bob2: well the automount work , i hope the write permission was possible
[07:49] <bob2> rideout: it gets an email for each upload made to breezy
[07:49] <crimsun> Xgates: ok now, lsmod|grep ^snd_ca0106
[07:49] <bob2> rideout: it's a lot of mail, and probably not what you're looking for
[07:49] <Xgates> crimsun: thing is this is only happening when hotplug is started
[07:49] <Xgates> k
[07:49] <Xgates> with the --> ^?
[07:49] <Xgates> also?
[07:49] <crimsun> yes
[07:49] <Xgates> k
[07:50] <rideout> bob2: pipermail to my rescue: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/
[07:50] <bob2> tsheng: oh, duh me, you're right
[07:50] <Xgates> crimsun: nothing at the prompt
[07:50] <Xgates> crimsun: the mod isnt load
[07:50] <Xgates> btw
[07:50] <crimsun> Xgates: ok, so it's not loaded. What happens when you: sudo modprobe snd_ca0106 ?
[07:50] <Xgates> it will load
[07:50] <Xgates> one sec
[07:51] <crimsun> ok, it should do that much at least
[07:51] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# lsmod|grep ^snd_ca0106
[07:51] <Xgates> snd_ca0106             26852  0
[07:51] <crimsun> Xgates: good, now please paste the output from amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[07:51] <crimsun> (brb, drink downstairs)
[07:51] <jroes> amixer eh?
[07:51] <Xgates> crimsun: I took hotplug off hehe, chmod -x
[07:51] <jroes> your machine doesn't happen to boot with like 80 beeps from amixer, does it?
[07:52] <bob2> tsheng: hm, the madwifi faq at least confirms error 13 is "your card ain't supported"...does hoary have the latest version of hal?
[07:52] <Xgates> crimsun: just type amixer is all you want?
[07:52] <tsheng> bob2, hal doesn't claim to support 5213 http://www.net-forums.net/manpages/content/ath_hal.php
[07:52] <carthik> any love with ubuntu's firewall?
[07:52] <Xgates> jroes: no getting a message at bootup is all
[07:52] <tsheng> bob2, how do I check my version of hal?
[07:53] <bob2> tsheng: hm, according to that compatibility list url I gave you before, some 5213 cards should work
[07:53] <bob2> tsheng: dmesg | grep ath_hal, afaict
[07:53] <jroes> Xgates: oh, lucky :)
[07:53] <Xgates> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/287761
[07:53] <bob2> carthik: no, there is no firewall by default
[07:53] <Xgates> jroes: ---> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory
[07:53] <Xgates> crimsun: btw I know pastebin
[07:54] <jroes> better than 8 beeps and weird errors
[07:54] <Xgates> :-)
[07:54] <Xgates> jroes: hehe
[07:54] <jroes> I think I chose the wrong kernel
[07:54] <Xgates> KICK it
[07:54] <carthik> bob2, thank you, but then why wouldnt the printer work?
[07:54] <jroes> but I couldn't really tell the difference
[07:54] <foxiness> if i'm use vmware to install other OS than i need to configure this gust to work with ubuntu like access Internet , if my Network it's static not DHCP and its ip address is : <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:54] <bob2> carthik: I don't know
[07:54] <jroes> they all pretty much said the same thing
[07:54] <carthik> bob2, I cant print to it from another computer (which is on the wireless network) using ipp://ip.add.re.ss:631/printers/printer-name
[07:54] <bob2> carthik: maybe something else is blocking it
[07:54] <bob2> it probably won't work if they're on different subnets
[07:55] <carthik> bob2, am I correct in trying the ipp:// thing - cause ubuntu blocks administration from th usual localhost:631 cupsmanagement pages, and yet allows no way for me to share the printer over the network.
[07:56] <bob2> carthik: that's what the url should be, yeah, afaik.  of course it allows you a way, there's the gnome config thing, as well as the config file.
[07:56] <nalioth> y'all be good
[07:56] <carthik> bob2, any leads on how to get it work over subnets, as you say? I have tries "allow"ing from other subnets in cupsd.conf
[07:56] <bob2> carthik: I'd be guessing they're on different subnets, though
[07:56] <bob2> carthik: does it work from something on the same network?
[07:56] <bob2> as a test
[07:57] <crimsun> Xgates: contents of /proc/asound/cards ?
[07:57] <carthik> bob2, yes -- same lan works, wireless -> lan does not
[07:57] <bob2> tsheng: I'd be trying their mailing list, I guess, and including lspci output and the relevant dmesg bits
[07:57] <bob2> carthik: ok
[07:58] <carthik> bob2, is there a way to check if my university is blocking port 631 on the printer server?
[07:58] <tsheng> bob2, good idea, thanks for the help
[07:58] <Xgates> crimsun: 0 [CA0106         ] : CA0106 - CA0106
[07:58] <Xgates>                      AudigyLS [SB0310]  at 0xd000 irq 17
[07:58] <bob2> tsheng: no problem, sorry I couldn't be of more use
[07:58] <foxiness> if i want to install hp driver "hplip" than the apt-get ask me to remove ubuntu-desktop than is there any risk here ?
[07:58] <bob2> carthik: ok, I don't think you've described your setup in enough detail
[07:59] <bob2> carthik: who runs the cups server you're trying to connect to?
[07:59] <Laforge> hello, does anyone know how to set up ethernet on ubuntu
[07:59] <crimsun> Xgates: please tell me the lspci -v line
[07:59] <bob2> Laforge: haven't you been asking that over and over for days now?
[07:59] <Xgates> crimsun: btw should I be doing this soundsetup --> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:59] <Laforge> yes, and no one has helped me
[07:59] <crimsun> Xgates: did sound ever work?
[07:59] <Xgates> crimsun: -->  How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME? --> Insert the following lines into the new file
[07:59] <bigfoot> bob2, my system monitor is now showing 100% usage. I did "top" in terminal, and the top item was a game I was playing called Moon-buggy. I'm no longer playing it, so why is it "running"?
[07:59] <bob2> Laforge: your question needs to be WAY more detailed before people can even start to help you
[08:00] <bob2> bigfoot: it's running in the background somewhere.  type 'k' in top, and then enter the PID of it (it'll be in the first column on the far left), then enter, and it should be lkilled