[00:01] <byte71> how to configure ldap client on hardy desktop??
[00:05] <ichigo_nl> will kde4.1 be default in 8.10
[00:05] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: not sure yet
[00:05] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: its way too early to know for sure
[00:05]  * jabba hopes so
[00:05] <jabba> kde4 is so purty
[00:06] <ichigo_nl> yeah okay but 4.1 will be usable
[00:06] <gnomefreak> kde4 might be but no word on kde4.1
[00:06] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: that doesnt mean much if its not stable it most likely wont be used unless stable comes shortly after
[00:06] <gnomefreak> kde4 was usable and still is but its on a separate disk for a reason :)
[00:07] <ichigo_nl> gnomefreak it will be stable believe me
[00:07] <gnomefreak> and no kubuntu is not LTS
[00:07] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: even kde devs cant say that for sure
[00:07] <ichigo_nl> ubuntu is lts and still its not good
[00:07] <gnomefreak> Kubuntu is not LTS
[00:07] <jabba> where are the instabilities? i've had a few anomolous crashes in konq but nothing related to qt
[00:07] <gnomefreak> Ubuntu is
[00:08] <jabba> and for me, it's pretty stable, other than my own fault with a couple of kde3/kde4 guts mingling
[00:08] <ichigo_nl> kde4 is stable
[00:08] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: instead of labling kde3.5 LTS and kde4 not they opted for not all around to be less confusing
[00:09] <ichigo_nl> i like the change that kde did
come on guys, vista is the way to go</sarcasm>
[00:09] <jabba> anethum_a: i has an xp, vista, ubuntu laptop :)
[00:09] <ichigo_nl> o only kubuntu kde4
[00:10] <anethum_a> jabba, triple boot?
[00:10] <jabba> anethum_a: yup
[00:10] <gnomefreak> damn
[00:10] <anethum_a> jabba, nice
[00:10] <jabba> anethum_a: i <3 grub
[00:10] <anethum_a> lol
[00:11] <gnomefreak> can you guys pleas move kde4 talk to #kubuntu-kde4 as this is turing into alot longer of a topic than it should have bene
[00:11] <gnomefreak> been
[00:11] <byte71> where do
[00:11] <ichigo_nl> can you please go to #ubuntu there the gnome channel :P
[00:11] <byte71> where for ldap???
[00:12] <jabba> gnomefreak: is there a threshold of how long somebody can talk about something before it becomes necessary to stop discussion?
[00:12] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: please be polite and go to that channel and keep this one free for kde3
[00:12] <gnomefreak> jabba: there is a quick answer if off topic
[00:13] <gnomefreak> if its longer than a quick answer it need to go to correct channel
[00:13] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, there are reports that kde4 support is asleep at the wheel , non responsive
[00:13] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: than why is the channel there?
[00:14] <jabba> gnomefreak: presumably so you can tell people to go there.
[00:14] <gnomefreak> it should be in one channel IMHO but i was told this yesterday and being an op i have to keep up with rules
[00:14] <BluesKaj> dunno, i don't hang out there ..just passing on the info
[00:14] <ichigo_nl> its bullshit that kde4 needs a seperate channek
[00:15] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: please dont push the rules any. please watch your language
[00:15] <ichigo_nl> gnomefreak you think you are operater ?
[00:15] <gnomefreak> can to try again?
[00:15] <gnomefreak> care
[00:15] <jabba> gnomefreak: does canonical have anything to do with the various ubuntu irc channels?
[00:16] <gnomefreak> jabba: not really this rule was made by kde guys most likely hobbsee or Riddell
[00:16] <jabba> roger
[00:16] <gnomefreak> s/guys/guys and gals
[00:17] <ichigo_nl> you should just answer to kde4 help because kubuntu-kde4 channel is dead
[00:17] <merlin08> hi
[00:17] <gnomefreak> ichigo_nl: now stop
[00:17] <merlin08> can anyone help me fix my sound?
[00:17] <jabba> merlin08: what is the problem?
[00:18] <merlin08> when i connect my headset i hear the sound like the system recongnized it, but when i play music nothing comes out
[00:18] <jabba> what is the sound of the system recognizing it?
[00:18] <jabba> and i gather this is a hard connection not bluetooth or whichever?
[00:18] <merlin08> like the windows login sound
[00:18] <ichigo_nl> gnomefreak you are no operater ???
[00:19] <merlin08> its a usb connection
[00:19] <jabba> sorry, i don't use usb audio devices
[00:20] <merlin08> :(
[00:20] <anethum_a> you can always check www.uboontu.com
[00:21] <BluesKaj> !audio | merlin08
[00:22] <merlin08> thanx
[00:22] <o0Chris0o> where is the folder with system sounsd? I can't seem to find it
[00:29] <yotta> I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and keyboard repeat is now shut off in X... How can I fix it?
[00:39] <ale_> hello
[00:41] <n3ksus> Noob question, Does aptitude have a .rar extractor or do i need to download from the site?
[00:42] <Jucato> n3ksus: install unrar
[00:43] <n3ksus> thanks
[00:51] <wlynch> anyone know why after pushing install when booting from cd, the computer would freeze?
[00:51] <wlynch> the kubuntu loading screen comes up, but never loads
[00:52] <BluesKaj> wlynch, live cd ?
[00:52] <wlynch> no, base
[00:52] <wlynch> should i do live?
[00:53] <BluesKaj> did you do an md5sum on the OS data before burrning it ?
[00:53] <wlynch> no
[00:53] <BluesKaj> could be corrupt
[00:54] <wlynch> after downloading iso, how do i do a md5sum?
[00:54] <BluesKaj> try the live cd , it'll give you a better idea about whether your hardware will work with kubuntu , if you have some unusual hardware
[00:55] <wlynch> dont have reason to believe otherwise
[00:55] <wlynch> but dont know
[00:55] <Pici> !verify | wlynch
[00:55] <wlynch> only thing im not sure about is if my video card
[00:55] <wlynch> ati radeon 1100
[00:56] <BluesKaj> ati radeon , it should be fine
[00:56] <BluesKaj> I use an onboard elcheapo x200g radeon
[00:57] <BluesKaj> works just fine
[00:57] <wlynch> k
[00:57] <Fujisan> how do i use adium on kde?
[00:57] <Fujisan> i heard you can run coca apps now on kde
[00:58] <BluesKaj> dunno Fujisan , pidgin ?
[00:59] <Fujisan> no
[00:59] <Fujisan> adium
[01:00] <BluesKaj> adium is a Mac app , no?
[01:00] <bittin> BluesKaj: it is =)
[01:00] <Roey> Fujisan:  cocoa, heh
[01:00] <Roey> Fujisan:  but someone in the Free Software world will invariably come up with a software project and name it Coca.
[01:00] <Roey> Fujisan:  just like someone came up with Snort.
[01:00] <Roey> Fujisan:  and then Acid.
[01:01] <BluesKaj> this linux not unix
[01:01] <bittin> true
[01:01] <BluesKaj> is
[01:01] <Roey> is or is not??
[01:02]  * BluesKaj wondewrs why ppl want to run mac apps in linux
[01:02] <bittin> BluesKaj: thats a good question
[01:02] <Fujisan> cuz osx is the best maybe
[01:02] <Fujisan> best UI anyways
[01:02] <bittin> why not run pidgin :P
[01:02] <Fujisan> no messagestyles
[01:03] <Fujisan> run funpidgin
[01:03] <Fujisan> it will have messagestyles
[01:03] <BluesKaj> Fujisan, this is kubuntu help chat , find mac help elsewhere
[01:03] <Fujisan> http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/content/features
[01:04] <bittin> #mac or #macosx
[01:05] <adude> how to you start the desktop from the command line?
[01:05] <BluesKaj> startx
[01:05] <Fujisan> Funpidgin is a fork of the popular open source client Pidgin which allows instant messaging with over twenty different protocols.
[01:05] <Fujisan> What makes us different from the official client, is that we work for you. Unlike the Pidgin developers, we believe the user should have the final say in what goes into the program.
[01:05] <NaGahl> Hey, I'm looking for some help w/ Firefox 3b5 on Hardy. mailto links no longer work. There's a bug report on launchpad w/ a potential workaround that doesn't seem to work for me. Any suggestions?
[01:06] <Choreboy> "osx is best maybe" hahaha lovely.
[01:07] <Choreboy> Anyway I need some help folks. I can't connect to my network anymore!
[01:07] <Choreboy> I have to use a LiveCD to get on here.
[01:07] <Choreboy> I installed KWlan, didn't like it, uninstalled it, now KNetwork Manager is giving me fits
[01:07] <Choreboy> it won't accept any changes I make
[01:08] <Choreboy> it mentioned something with trouble writing to the XML backend or something
[01:09] <BluesKaj> !KNetworkmanager
[01:09] <BluesKaj> !eth0
[01:10] <Choreboy> I don't want dialup
[01:11] <BluesKaj> yeah, I don't know why the response script talks about dialup :/
[01:11] <Choreboy> and it's difficult to correct whatever problem I'm having since I can't access the internet :-(
[01:12] <Choreboy> I don't know anyone who uses dialup anymore
[01:12] <BluesKaj> router?
[01:12] <Choreboy> yes
[01:12] <afeijo> I just bought my first mp4 player :D
[01:12] <Choreboy> I'm on a laptop and sometimes I use wireless, at the moment I'm wired
[01:12] <BluesKaj> rural ppl still have few options
[01:13] <Choreboy> yeah I think I would choose satellite over dialup
[01:13] <afeijo> I need to convert my divx avi file to mp4, ffmpeg to that?
[01:13] <BluesKaj> not much here about that afeijo , google it for more info
[01:13] <afeijo> ok, thanks
[01:14] <Choreboy> is there a way to fix my knetworkmanager?
[01:14] <Choreboy> possibly reinstall it?
[01:14] <afeijo> how hard is to have 2 internet links? just 2 network board?
[01:14] <Choreboy> the problem being, I have to be connected to the internet for that to work...
[01:15] <BluesKaj> afeijo, http://www.smorgasbord.net/converting-video-in-linux-using-ffmpeg-and-mencoder/
[01:17] <Choreboy> 800 people in here and no one knows how I can fix this?
[01:18] <BluesKaj> Choreboy, we don't know what's wrong ...what error messages are you getting ?
[01:18] <Choreboy> nothing really, ONE TIME I believe I saw something mentioning error writing XML to the backend or something
[01:19] <p_quarles> Choreboy, what wireless card and what kind of encryption?
[01:19] <Choreboy> no encryption, but I'm wired at the moment anyway
[01:19] <Choreboy> wireless card, I don't recall. Some kind of broadcom
[01:20] <afeijo> ping
[01:20] <afeijo> ok
[01:20] <p_quarles> Choreboy, it was working before, correct? no driver issues with the card?
[01:20] <Choreboy> no issues until I installed KWlan
[01:21] <Choreboy> didn't like KWlan because I didn't want to take the time to figure it out since KNetwork Manager worked fine for me, so I uninstalled it
[01:21] <p_quarles> Choreboy, is it possible that KWLan left behind some startup scripts?
[01:22] <p_quarles> e.g., have you *looked* for startup scripts that have been left behind
[01:23] <Choreboy> p_quarles: I don't know how to do that
[01:23] <p_quarles> look in /etc/rc2.d/ and in /etc/rc.local -- any files or lines that might be related
[01:23] <adude> when i try to login it takes me back to the login screen?
[01:24] <adude> what can i do to fix that.
[01:24] <Choreboy> it's going to take me a while to work my way around and look so be back in a minute
[01:28] <rmribeiro> hi, what soft i need to leasen a online radio????
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok
[01:29] <rmribeiro> kaffeine, jajaj, in amarok i cant
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> then why did you ask?
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> install mp3 support for amarok (libxine1-ffmpeg) and go to the playlists tab in amarok, all of the radio stations are there
[01:32] <Choreboy> p_quarles: rc.local is a folder, yes? I don't see a folder with that name
[01:33] <p_quarles> it's a file (if my last message went through, I didn't see it)
[01:34] <[Relic]> what's a good and currently maintained program to show system information?
[01:34] <Choreboy> p_quarles: I don't see anything unusual, but I don't entirely know what I'm looking for.
[01:35] <p_quarles> Choreboy, either a file in /etc/rc2.d/ (named something like S##kwlan) or a line /etc/rc.local
[01:35] <Choreboy> p_quarles: no, definitely not either of those.
[01:35] <p_quarles> Choreboy, hmm -- see if there's anything in /etc/sysctl.conf
[01:36] <p_quarles> [Relic], what kind of information?
[01:36] <personal> por favor diganme donde entro en el el español
[01:36] <p_quarles> !es | personal
[01:37] <anethum_a> does hardy kernel support Memory Stick/Pro?
[01:37] <[Relic]> p_quarles, think I used super karamba once, something for core temp/load, mem, etc.
[01:37] <anethum_a> as in a built in card reader
[01:37] <rmribeiro> personal
[01:38] <p_quarles> [Relic], well, there's Superkaramba, and then there's Conky
[01:38] <rmribeiro> debes escribir "/join #kubuntu-es" lo q esta entre comillas pero sin comillas
[01:38] <Choreboy> p_quarles: nothing.
[01:39] <p_quarles> Choreboy, does knetworkmanager recognize your wireless card still? or is it saying "no active interfaces"?
[01:42] <Choreboy> p_quarles: I'm not even sure if I'm using Knetworkmanager. It used to start in the system tray, now it's not there anymore. I go to system settings, then network settings
[01:42] <Choreboy> p_quarles: but it won't enable the lan or wireless
[01:43] <Choreboy> it says both are disabled, I tell it to enable, it flashes enabled then jumps right back to disabled
[01:43] <p_quarles> Choreboy, open Konsole or the command dialogue and type "knetworkmanager" (minus the quotes)
[01:43] <Choreboy> p_quarles: I'm on a liveCD
[01:44] <Choreboy> KNM works on the live CD, but not when I boot regular
[01:44] <p_quarles> Choreboy, well, I'm just giving you things to try
[01:44] <Choreboy> ok so I should reboot and give that a shot
[01:45] <p_quarles> Choreboy, the other thing would be to run knetworkmanager with kdesu -- this would help determine if it's a permissions problem
[01:45] <Choreboy> kdesu? is that like kdesudo?
[01:45] <anethum_a> wow i love linux
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Choreboy: same thing, one links to the other
[01:46] <Choreboy> anethum_a: me too, I just have alot more to learn about it
[01:46] <Choreboy> so far it runs faster and just generally better than my XP install
[01:46] <anethum_a> i find something wrong (or not working right) and in 10 minutes i find a fix for it
[01:46] <intelikey> anyone know how to make linux stop starting my hdd for no reason ?     it spins down/up about every 30 sec.   and nothing is running.
[01:47] <anethum_a> sorry, random interjection from a question i asked about 10 minutes ago on here lol
[01:47] <p_quarles> Choreboy, and since you're not using WPA encryption, hooking up wireless by the CLI is actually very easy -- you could make an alias for connecting to your network and not have to worry about the network manager
[01:48] <Choreboy> I just use MAC filtering, no one around here is savvy enough to sniff my packets
[01:49] <yago> hi, I have a big problem with Kubutnu 8.04,
[01:49] <Choreboy> p_quarles: that may be true but this is a laptop and I do take it elsewhere so I need the ability to easily be able to connect to other networks.
[01:49] <Choreboy> p_quarles: If this works you won't see me back here, so thanks in advance and wish me luck
[01:49] <p_quarles> Choreboy, connecting is as easy as "sudo iwconfig [device-name] essid [network-name] && sudo dhclient [device-name]"
[01:50] <Choreboy> oh I'll have to save that
[01:50] <yago> well the problem is that sometimes when I want to wathch a movie, when it starts, the display puts black and I can not do nothing
[01:51] <rmribeiro> how i leasen a  online radio in kubuntu. the files is ".pls" ".wax" and "rmm"
[01:51] <el1te> has anyone used pulseaudio
[01:52] <el1te> i need some help if oyu can
[01:53] <el1te> you guys this has taken almost 3 days to get me sound working
[01:53] <el1te> can someone help me that actually knows what to do
[01:54] <intelikey> sorry,  did anyone answer my Q ?
[02:13] <_2> howto tell linux not to touch my hdd ?
[02:13] <makaveli> any reason why my flash/shockwave/etc. isn't working in 8.10 ?
[02:13] <_2> cause 8.10 is pre-alpha ?
[02:14] <makaveli> ?
[02:14] <makaveli> isn't 8.10 hardy ?
[02:14] <_2> no.
[02:14] <makaveli> 8.04 then
[02:14] <_2> !release
[02:14] <_2>  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases  <<< in particular
[02:15] <Firefishe> I'm running kubuntu feisty and need alsaconf.  Anyone know why it's not in alsa-utils?
[02:15] <_2> Firefishe ubuntu has never used alsaconf
[02:18] <Firefishe> _2: ??  Please explain.
[02:18] <_2>  /usr/bin/asoundconf
[02:18] <Firefishe> I just want the script
[02:18] <Firefishe> k..I'll try that
[02:18] <Firefishe> thanks
[02:19] <_2> to the best of my knowledge no ubuntu release has ever supplied alsaconf   maybe it's depreciated by ubuntu... idk
[02:19] <draik> How do I get the links within Thunderbird to open in Firefox?
[02:19] <Firefishe> _2: I see
[02:20] <draik> Not sure what was removed during the 7.10 to 8.04 upgrade, but the links don't do a thing.
[02:20] <Firefishe> _2:  Too bad, alsaconf is a powerful command line utility.
[02:20] <_2> Firefishe that's probably why they don't like.   ubuntu is a-cli biased ya know
[02:23] <nflava> if i installed kubuntu can i still add the gnome desktop?
[02:23] <Jucato> nflava: yes
[02:24] <nflava> do i just do a sudo apt-get install gnome?
[02:24] <Jucato> ubuntu-desktop
[02:24] <nflava> ah
[02:24] <nflava> nice, there we go
[02:25] <nflava> i wanna check that out as well see which i can get used to better
[02:25] <_2> nflava the way you had it "sudo apt-get install gnome"  will also work,  just gives different packages
[02:25] <nflava> well i tried that but it said an error, so i was not sure if it was me or something
[02:25] <Firefishe> _2:  Well, I found *something*.  It's located in a weird portion of my /var/lib/flwm subdirectory.  I execute it, it opens an xterm, and asks for my root password, which I don't have, as I use sudo (even on my stock debian boxen).
[02:26] <Firefishe> _2:  Any way around that?
[02:26] <_2> just as   "sudo apt-get install kde"   will install kde as well as  "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" will
[02:26] <nflava> i love my fios this download will only take a couple minutes at 1.8mb/s :)
[02:27] <nflava> thanks 2
[02:27] <Firefishe> _2:  Incidentally, what is "a-cli" ?  Anti-CLI?
[02:27] <_2> Firefishe temp passwd ?       sudo passwd root      set the password   use it and    sudo passwd -dl root
[02:27] <_2> Firefishe yes.
[02:28] <Jucato> _2, Firefishe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/alsa-utils/+bug/29597
[02:28] <nflava> ok, time to configure gdm, this wont mess up anything with kde if I am doing this through the konsole
[02:28] <Jucato> (btw, that's sort of a very biased assesment _2)
[02:28] <ubuntu__> OK folks I have an issue I need help. SOMEHOW I uninstalled KNetworkManager. How can I reinstall it if I can't connect to the repositories?
[02:28] <_2> Jucato yes.  and developed over several years as well.
[02:29] <Fujisan> kubuntu akbar
[02:30] <_CrashMaster_> reinstall from disc
[02:30] <_CrashMaster_> just add it as a source
[02:30] <ubuntu__> not sure how to do that but I'll look it up
[02:30] <_2> dpkg -i path/to/file.deb
[02:30] <ubuntu__> oh default nickname, lovely.
[02:30] <Firefishe> _2:  Could you please go over that command sequence again, please?  I think I see what you're saying:  Create a temporary password: "root"  Then with the -dl switch, delete it, correct?
[02:31] <Firefishe> Jucato:  Thanks for the bug report, I'll go over it :)
[02:31] <ubuntu__> _CrashMaster_: I installed from the alternate install disc, should I use that, or should I use the LiveCD disc?
[02:31] <_2> Firefishe create a password for root,  use the tool that is asking for a root password, reset the root account to the previous state.
[02:32] <Choreboy> There we go, that's better. No more default
[02:32] <Firefishe> _2:  Could you please re-type the exact command sequence again, separating each one a bit more clearly for me.  I was having a little trouble.
[02:32] <_2> Firefishe you asked for a workaround  that is one.
[02:32] <Firefishe> yes _2, and I appreciate it very much, thank you
[02:32] <freethinker> there is anyone who could help me?
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> !ask | freethinker
[02:33]  * Dr_willis missed the question.
[02:33] <_2> sudo passwd root  ; ( # use the app in question 'alsaconfig' )   ; sudo passwd -dl root
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> why is sudo not an appropriate method of achieving the same thing?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> cant run alsaconfig with sudo?
[02:34]  * Dr_willis is confused also.
[02:34] <Dr_willis> sudo -s, run the command, exit.
[02:34] <Firefishe> no, Dr_willis and Daisuke-Ido;  I tried it, but the xterm just pops up then crashes.
[02:34] <Choreboy> Does anyone know? If I have to reinstall a program using the disc as a source, should I use the alternate install disc I used to install, or can I use the LiveCD disc?
[02:34] <_2> Dr_willis he said it asks for the root password.   it's not even in the path you know.
[02:34] <Dr_willis> xterm pops up? weird.
[02:34] <Choreboy> I used the alternate install because I wanted XFS file system and you can't do that on the LiveCD.
[02:34] <Lam_> which kubuntu program allows connection to an rdp virtual desktop?
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> "pops up"?
[02:34] <Dr_willis> makes one wonder what would happen from the console.
[02:34] <Firefishe> Dr_willis:  Pops up and disappears, like it segfaults in the middle of the command
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Firefishe: tell me, are you running this from alt+f2?
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> you should be doing this from a terminal
[02:35] <Jucato> Choreboy: alternate install. you can't use the Live CD as a CD repository (except for some very few packages I think)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> i would suggest trying from a console, see if it  does anything differently.
[02:35] <freethinker> i can not listen to rosegarden, i have installed the program, and sox,and sndfile, and some packect named by  fluid...., but still i can not listen to anything
[02:35] <Firefishe> Daisuke-Ido:  Okay, I can do that, too.
[02:35] <_2> ATTENTION   there is no   alsaconfig   command in the path.   !!!
[02:36] <_2> s/ig//
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps that's the problem.
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> how was alsaconfig even installed?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> give the full path?
[02:36] <Choreboy> whoops I lost connection. Did anyone answer me by chance?
[02:36] <Jucato> [09:30] <Jucato> Choreboy: alternate install. you can't use the Live CD as a CD repository (except for some very few packages I think)
[02:37] <_2> things that are not in *bin/  are not inteneded to be executed      they do that on purpose....
[02:37] <Choreboy> Jucato: thanks! Is it ocmplicated to get Adept to use the CD as a "repository source"?
[02:37] <freethinker> is anyone who have anwser it my kinda question?
[02:37] <_CrashMaster_> For the longest time, I thought /bin was a british version of the Recycle Bin
[02:38] <Pici> That would be the Rubbish Bin, and it means binaries.
[02:38] <Jucato> Choreboy: no. in Adept Manager, just go to Adept menu -> Manage Repositories, 3rd Party tab then click on Add CD-ROM
[02:38] <_CrashMaster_> Pici: So I have since discovered :)
[02:38] <Choreboy> Jucato: Thanks! Wish me luck.
[02:41] <Firefishe> _2:  Well, it tried to pop up a gnome-terminal in alt+f2 (regular terminal) but it got a gtk error.  Evidently flwm is using the gnome-terminal command for some reason.  Also, when I tried it again in the normal gui cli window, it tried to execute /usr/sbin/alsaconf, which isn't even there.
[02:41] <freethinker> I can listen to rosengarden sound there is anyone who can help me?
[02:41] <Firefishe> _2:  So that's what it's doing, trying to execute alsaconf in /usr/sbin
[02:42] <freethinker> i have install 3 pacathes
[02:42] <_2> like i said several times.    ubuntu has never used "alsaconf"
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> Firefishe: what did you install that's trying to use alsaconf?
[02:42] <_2> asoundconf
[02:42] <Firefishe> Daisuke-Ido:  I just want to use alsaconf
[02:43] <_2>              dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep alsaconf
[02:44] <freethinker> sox, sndfile , fluid... i cant remenber
[02:44] <_2> also         dpkg -L alsa-base | grep alsaconf
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Speaking for the Debian ALSA packaging team I'd like to clarify our position. alsaconf is a poorly written and poorly maintained program.
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> from the bugreport page
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> alsaconf ain't there
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> get over it
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it's deliberate :)
[02:45] <_2>           grep -HiRe alsaconf /var/lib/dpkg/info
[02:45] <Firefishe> Daisuke_Ido:  Thank you.  That helps a bit.
[02:46] <_2> anyone see what i mean yet ?
[02:46] <freethinker> i am gone try to install that and see what happen
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> _2: um, yeah, see what i just wrote
[02:47] <draik> How do I get the links within Thunderbird to open in Firefox?
[02:47] <draik> Not sure what was removed during the 7.10 to 8.04 upgrade, but the links don't do a thing.
[02:48] <_2> Daisuke_Ido i was trying to explain that ubuntu has never used alsaconf    and the script that he was trying to run was only an alsaconf wrapper and that's why it was failing.
[02:48] <Firefishe> Daisuke_Ido:  Although I'm risking myself sounding like a compleat ideeut, I'd still like, heh, to inquire:  "So that means that the ALSA Packaging Team dropped alsaconf because it was a piece of junk?"  If alsaconf is deprecated, what replaces it, or at leasts, attempts to fill the void, if void--in the devloper's opinons--there is?
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't say never
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Firefishe: nothing does, and it was dropped by debian (i believe) and ubuntu (i know)
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> _2: it was used prior to breezy
[02:48] <_2> Daisuke_Ido did they use it in warty ?   i don't go that far back in ubuntu time.
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> but that was quite some time ago
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> and not at all applicable now :)
[02:49] <Firefishe> Daisuke_Ido:  So what is used to configure alsa then?  alsactl?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> are you using multiple sound cards?
[02:49] <Dr_willis> that !alsa wiki/factoid dont mention it?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> are you using an old ISA sound card?
[02:50] <_2> Daisuke_Ido ok i might be wrong then   but i have hoary and i didn't think it's in there either...   ;/
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> if the answer is no, you don't need alsaconf - it has been deprecated for a long time now
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> _2: they may have removed it at that point, this bug report page only goes back to breezy though
[02:50] <Firefishe> Daisuke_Ido:  To some extent, yes, although I'm really doing this to see how alsa is controlled, if at all, in kubuntu.  Command line, preferably.
[02:50]  * Daisuke_Ido headdesks
[02:51] <_2> Daisuke_Ido ok.    and like you stated, anything pre-dapper is irelivent anyway
[02:51] <rmribeiro> i download flash plugin for mozilla. Now when I open a with flash my firefox crash? anybody can helpme?
[02:51] <nflava> hmm i dont know if i like gnome or kde more lol
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> nflava: kepp both around :)
[02:51] <rmribeiro> i download flash plugin for mozilla. Now when I open a web with flash my firefox crash? anybody can helpme?
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> hard drive space is cheap
[02:51] <nflava> i defitinly shall
[02:51] <nflava> but im tryin to decide which one i should more
[02:51] <nflava> i just installed gnome
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i use gnome, but use both kde and gtk apps
[02:52]  * Firefishe really has this question, and nothing else: How does one configure ALSA in kubuntu?
[02:52] <nflava> and i did a kubuntu install on saturday
[02:52] <nflava> im just bored of windows and wanna learn more
[02:53] <_2> nflava it might not have been brought to your attention. but, you can have "any none or all" of the desktop environments installed at any given time.   the only restrictions are your physical disk space and your own desires.
[02:53] <[Relic]> yeesh! the sensors-detect program is ancient
[02:53] <nflava> yeah i was aware of that
[02:53] <_2> k
[02:54] <nflava> i have messed around with differnt releases of linux before but never really stuck with them
[02:54] <nflava> but this time im gunna try to stick with it
[02:54] <Dr_willis> Depends on what you need in an OS. :) Im  personally sick of some of the 'song and dance' i have to do to keep windows going.
[02:54] <nflava> yeah windows just bores me anymore
[02:54] <nflava> i want something differnet
[02:55] <nflava> as long as i can get all the things going ok that i do with windows
[02:55] <Dr_willis> Well with Linux - It pays to learn the core fundamentals.
[02:55] <nflava> upnp media server, dvd burning, irc, ftp hehe
[02:55] <Dr_willis> then the differeances in the disrtos are , often just trivial changes.
[02:55] <mr_sukor> somebody
[02:55] <mr_sukor> please help me
[02:56] <Jucato> !somebody | mr_sukor
[02:56] <mr_sukor> anyone can speak malay?
[02:56] <_2> nflava may i sujest that you make a backup of the clean install     makes it easier to transit if you can easily restore a hosed system.    and beginner linux users do always hose a system or two, just learning the basic "never do this's"
[02:56] <nflava> not a bad idea
[02:57] <mr_sukor> nf
[02:57] <Firefishe> Daisuke_Ido:  I'm sorry, I did not mean to sound so dumb, but I still don't have a grasp about alsa and kubuntu and how alsa is configured.  I'm still learning, and although not a total klutzoid, I still have issues with some things.
[02:57] <mr_sukor> nflava
[02:57] <Dr_willis> i keep a little partition at the start of my HD. to run 'puppy linux' as a rescue disrto :) for the rest of the system. heh.
[02:57] <nflava> hi
[02:57] <mr_sukor> hi
[02:57] <mr_sukor> flava
[02:57] <mr_sukor> can u help me
[02:57] <Firefishe> Dr_willis:  Quite an interesting thing, that. :)
[02:57] <nflava> probably not too well
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !enter | mr_sukor
[02:57] <mr_sukor> i'm new user of ubuntu
[02:57] <nflava> as am I
[02:58] <mr_sukor> oic
[02:58] <_2> is there a malay channel ?
[02:58] <_2> !ma
[02:58] <mad> hi all
[02:58] <mr_sukor> i dont know how to set up network
[02:58] <_2> !cz
[02:59] <mad> who use skype on kubuntu n how ? thx
[03:00] <_2> !zh
[03:00] <_2> i can't find a malay
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> !my
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[03:00] <Kuwanger> Is it possible to use an ubuntu desktop cd as part of the upgrade process for updating from kubuntu 7.10 to kubuntu 8.04?  If so, how?
[03:00] <mr_sukor> _2
[03:01] <Dr_willis> Is malay its own language? I dont even rember where malay is at.
[03:01] <mr_sukor> i'm malay
[03:01] <Firefishe> Daisuke_Ido:  I re-read what you wrote earlier.  No probs now.  Sorry for your headdesk *does one in repentance*
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> no problem Firefishe :)
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> it wasn't just that, i assure you
[03:01] <rmribeiro> !es
[03:01] <rmribeiro> jeje
[03:01] <_2> mr_sukor yes i know.   that's why i was looking for you a native channel   but alas there doesn't seem to be one.
[03:01] <Firefishe> np.  my day has been a bit off today...and not just with sentence structure
[03:02] <mad> ki parle français ???
[03:02] <_2> !fr
[03:03] <afeijo> !pt
[03:03] <afeijo> cool
[03:03] <b4l74z4r> when will kubuntu use kde 4 as standard?
[03:04] <_2> b4l74z4r not until more apps are read for it.
[03:04] <afeijo> thats vague hehe
[03:05] <_2> ready
[03:05] <b4l74z4r> what i didn't like about kde is that i couldn't move around the apps in the taskbar
[03:05] <b4l74z4r> like re-arrange them to a particular order
[03:05]  * _2 had to pick up the y he dropped to make that make sense
[03:10] <_2> can anyone point me in the right dirrection to solve this issue ?     with nothing at all running, my hdd spins down and restarts about every 30 seconds on my lappy.   i have read that that is a very bad thing.   i remember linux doing that in slackware 5  i had on a lappy  but i don't remember what i changed to make it leave the hdd alone until something actually read/wrote to it.
[03:11] <_2> anyone have a clue-by-for to hit me with on that ?
[03:12] <Kuwanger> _2: man hdparm
[03:12] <Kuwanger> _2: Specifically, -S
[03:12] <nflava> what is a good app for burning .img files?
[03:13] <_2> Kuwanger i don't want to keep it spinning.  i want linux to leave it alone and not restart it every 10 seconds for no reason.
[03:14] <Kuwanger> _2: Odds are pretty good that something is using the drive, so linux is waking it up for "good reason".
[03:14] <_2> nflava k3b/xcdroast/cdrecord/gnomebaker/nautilus-burning-app
[03:15] <_2> Kuwanger absoulte nothing is using the drive but the kernel.  that's all that is running.
[03:15] <Kuwanger> _2: ?
[03:15] <_2> Kuwanger alt+SysRQ+E    killed everything.
[03:16] <Kuwanger> _2: Do you have swap?
[03:16] <_2> nothing no
[03:17] <fooks> hello there
[03:17] <_2> it seems like it was a sysctl  command or something i used back then.
[03:17] <fooks> is kde 3.5 still in the repos?
[03:17] <_2> !info kde
[03:17] <_2> !info kde-core
[03:18] <Kuwanger> _2: Do you have an ext3 (or other journal) filesystem mounted?
[03:18] <_2> Kuwanger ext3 root fs
[03:18] <_2> you think it's the journal ?
[03:19] <Kuwanger> _2: Doing some searching, it seems that it might be.
[03:19] <_2> i'll mount it ext2 and see
[03:22] <Kuwanger> _2: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption#Tools
[03:22] <Kuwanger> Specifically, the "sysctl vm.block_dump=1" to find what's causing the spin-up.
[03:22] <rickey> unlock adeptmanager
[03:22] <_2> Kuwanger good call.  looking into that now
[03:23] <rickey> how to unlock adept mmanager
[03:24] <_CrashMaster_> !aptfix | ricket
[03:25] <rickey> i need the code to unlock  adept  manager please
[03:25] <_CrashMaster_> rickey: if you mean the kdesudo windows, just use your normal user password.
[03:26] <Kuwanger> I have the ubuntu desktop cdrom and am trying to mount casper/filesystem.squashfs with "sudo mount -t squashfs -o loop filesystem.squashfs /mnt/tmp", but I'm getting this in dmesg: "SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, trying to mount newer 3.1 filesystem" "SQUASHFS error: Please update your kernel"
[03:26] <Kuwanger> "squashfs: version 3.2-UBUNTU (2007/07/26) Phillip Lougher" is also in dmesg.  Shouldn't 3.2 be able to mount 3.1 filesystems?
[03:27] <_CrashMaster_> Kuwanger: are to sure you have 3.2
[03:27] <_2> sudo modprobe squashfs   ?
[03:28] <_CrashMaster_> mn
[03:28] <_CrashMaster_> dumb question
[03:28] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[03:28] <[Relic]> how do I tell if a specific module is in the kernel?
[03:28] <_2> i know that udev is supposed to take care of that,, but..
[03:28] <nflava> what is a good app for burning .img files?
[03:28] <_CrashMaster_> lsmod
[03:29] <Kuwanger> _2: Yea, it's already loaded.  Hence the dmesg line.
[03:29] <_2> [Relic] lsmod   or  if the module is avalable    " . /etc/bash_completion ;modprobe <first few letters and the tab key here>
[03:29] <NaT> ahh!
[03:30] <lovre> hi all. I was wondering if you know what channel i should ask in about image processing?
[03:30] <NaT> im logged in but im not! creepy
[03:30] <Choreboy> somebody halp! I uninstalled KNetworkManager and I'm not able to reinstall it from the alternate install CD
[03:30] <_2> Kuwanger what is the output of the mount command ?
[03:30] <_2> Kuwanger the error message might help
[03:31] <Kuwanger> The general "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, ..."
[03:31] <_2> Choreboy   the live CD and copy the package from it's pool to the system in question     sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[03:32] <rmribeiro> edit fstab
[03:32] <_2> Kuwanger sudo modprobe loop
[03:32] <Kuwanger> Hmm..looking some more, it seems squash-tools 3.3 creates images in a new format.
[03:32] <Kuwanger> So, I'll just have to d/l and compile a newer version of squashfs. :/
[03:33] <rmribeiro> is much for my, jajaja
[03:33] <Dragnslcr> Choreboy- you can try using ifconfig to enable the interface manually and then install KNetworkManager through Adept
[03:33] <_2> Kuwanger i hope you are not telling me they have already broken backwards compatability
[03:33] <Kuwanger> _2: Btw, yea, loop is already loaded.  That's how I have my ubuntu cd loaded.
[03:33] <freethinker> HI!, i think i got an hacker could you help me?
[03:33] <freethinker> i do not know much abou computer
[03:34] <[Relic]> _2, trying to get temp readings from my quad sensors which it doesn't seem to load
[03:35] <Choreboy> Dragnslcr: enable what interface? I tried installing it through adapt from the disc but it's giving me some nonsense about needing to reinstall Java
[03:35] <_2> Kuwanger well if /dev/loop0 exists and is supported in the kernel (you confirmed that already)   wait.  loop0   and you already have one loop device mounted... that's not right
[03:35] <Kuwanger> _2: I mounted the ubuntu image as loop20.
[03:36] <_2> [Relic] install   lm-sensors    run sudo sensors-detect
[03:37] <_2> Kuwanger ok.  why not loop0 like normal people do   :)))
[03:37] <Kuwanger> _2: So loop0 will be used for whatever random thing I might mount in the future.  That'll generate less "oh yea, loop0 is already being used by X".
[03:39] <[Relic]> _2, 8.04 64bit kde3 sensors detect is severly outdated, tried the new one and it detected though, not sure why it won't activate couldn't remove them old one due to breaking numerous program problems which is very annoying  :(
[03:40] <_2> anyway let me go on with the recap.    loop0 is there working and free.   the dir /mnt/tmp exists    the actual filesystem exists     and all paths are correct.     the option "filesystem.squashfs" is not causing problems.       then it must be the driver ;/
[03:40] <Choreboy> Can anyone help me? I'd hate to have to reinstall. It seems like there should be a simple answer to this but I'm at a loss
[03:41] <_2> [Relic] i never mentioned kde anything there
[03:41] <_CrashMaster_> Choreboy: you tried sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[03:41] <_CrashMaster_> ?
[03:42] <Kuwanger> _2: Yep. :/
[03:42] <flaccid> well in kubuntu network is managed by network manager
[03:42] <_2> so just for kicks you did recheck all of those, before filing a bug on the driver ?
[03:42] <flaccid> um its user based - nothing needs to be in /etc/network/interfaces except for localhost then use knetworkmanager to select
[03:43] <flaccid> Choreboy: whats the problem sorry just got here
[03:45] <Choreboy> flaccid: I need to reinstall KNetworkManager, Adept is having trouble doing that from my alternate install CD, it is giving me an error telling me I need to reinstall Java6
[03:46] <flaccid> Choreboy: pastebin the output please
[03:46] <_CrashMaster_> flaccid: Im pretty sure all he needs to do is establish a "live" network connection and then hit the repos
[03:47] <_CrashMaster_> He "cant reinstall from repo because he cant get online with knetworkmanager"
[03:47] <Kuwanger> _2: I haven't filed a bug, but yea, I rechecked all that.
[03:47] <flaccid> you can select the cd repos in adept manager then fetch updates then do whatever needs to be done
[03:47] <flaccid> if its dhcp on the network interface, you can assign it an ip via sudo dhclient eth0
[03:48] <_CrashMaster_> flaccid: Why couldn't he just use Konsole to run an "ifconfig eth1 up" and then reinstall from the archives?
[03:48] <flaccid> because eth1 won't usually be set in /etc/network/interfaces so it will probably say something like eth1 not enabled. depends whats in interfaces file..
[03:49] <Choreboy> ok this is all very confusing to me, let me try some stuff. I am not sure if I can pastebin, since I can't connect to the internet
[03:49] <_CrashMaster_> flaccid: I dont quite follow. Every linux ive ever played with always had an eth0 if the machine had a nic
[03:49] <flaccid> just let us know what it says in a bit more detail - the actual pkg errr
[03:50] <flaccid> errr
[03:50] <flaccid> error
[03:50] <flaccid> thats not exactly how linux logical iface names work
[03:50] <_2> i've locked myself out of my own bootloader   ;/
[03:50] <_CrashMaster_> recommended reading on the subject?
[03:51] <flaccid> probably best resource is a debian or ubuntu book or perhaps on the debian wiki
[03:51] <Firefishe> I'm *still* working on a sync problem with a clie palmOS handheld.  When I sync, here's what <sudo dmesg> puts forth:  http://pastebin.org/37192
[03:52] <Firefishe> I'm using kpilot
[03:53] <flaccid> http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and  http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager and http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager?highlight=%28network%29
[03:53] <Kuwanger> Well, thanks for all the help.
[03:53] <flaccid> sorry i mean http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=network&titlesearch=Titles
[03:54] <freethinker> i think i got someone in my pc, like an hacker can anyone help me?
[03:55] <freethinker> i ecen have firewal
[03:55] <flaccid> why do you think s freethinker?
[03:55] <Helios> freethinker: why u think so?
[03:55] <freethinker> *even
[03:55] <freethinker> cause my firefox is always shotiing down
[03:55] <Helios> freethinker: are you using kubuntu?
[03:55] <freethinker> my pidgin also
[03:55] <freethinker> ubuntu
[03:56] <flaccid> freethinker: start firefox from konsole and when it crashes, pastebin the error it shows in konsole
[03:56] <freethinker> today i have installed again
[03:56] <freethinker> like my 3 time
[03:56] <flaccid> they are both gtk applications. is this kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:56] <freethinker> not in the same day
[03:57] <freethinker> and also pidgin?
[03:57] <flaccid> yep
[03:57] <freethinker> ok thanks!!
[03:57] <Choreboy> flaccid: OK that's got me connected to the network... now let's see if I can install KNetworkManager
[03:57] <flaccid> this will find the problem and its very unlikely to be hacker... extremely unlikely
[03:57] <flaccid> Choreboy: yeah. that is not going to change your package problems, but with the error from apt we can see what needs to be done
[03:59] <freethinker> i say this cause there is some people who i talk on pidgin that knows a lot
[03:59] <baalzevuv> Howdy.
[03:59] <Choreboy> flaccid: OK what should I do now? Try to install KNM? if so, from Konsole or from Adept?
[03:59] <flaccid> well unless you gave them your password or its a weak password and you have exposed something like ssh on the internet then its not - it looks like a software crash to me eg. a segfault or something
[04:00] <flaccid> Choreboy: yeah and let us know errors
[04:00] <baalzevuv> I have a network hard drive on my windows network ... When I try to access it through Kubuntu, it does not let me browse the contents like I normally would on one of my windows machines.  Anyone know why, per chance?
[04:00] <Choreboy> what is that command, something like --configure -a to let adept do it's thing?
[04:00] <flaccid> baalzevuv: please install and run smb4k and see if you can browse it in there first
[04:01] <baalzevuv> Thx, Flaccid :)
[04:01] <jonathanedwards> hello, i know that apparently ubuntu is not supported for ppc anymore, but i have an old mac clamshell ibook with only a 4gb hd and would love to put a linux system on it to use as a work station in another room.  will kubuntu or ubuntu work, or does anyone know a good live cd to try with it to see how it well it would do?
[04:01] <freethinker> ok thanks again, i gone try in the future to go to console
[04:01] <flaccid> Choreboy: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade after enabling the correct repos. don't need to do anything else, just need to see the pkg error
[04:03] <crablouse> just installed Kubuntu 8.04 with kde4. dell latitude d630 with nvidia chipset, yet envyng -t brings up the menu, installs, but on reboot it doesnt work
[04:03] <crablouse> that is, trying to install nvidia drivers
[04:03] <Choreboy> flaccid: Update worked, upgrade gave me this error:  http://pastebin.com/d2dd10a8d
[04:05] <flaccid> !envy
[04:05] <flaccid> Choreboy: ok now try the fuzzy fix: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:05] <flaccid> and see if it fixes it or returns detailed errors on the pkg dep problem
[04:06] <rmribeiro> how is the best thing, upgrade dapper or install clean hardy?
[04:06] <flaccid> rmribeiro: clean will always be better, but upgrades can be successful frequently
[04:07] <Firefishe> palm sync with clie peg-tj37 success!  It was a matter of setting the device to:  usb:   instead of /dev/pilot.
[04:07] <flaccid> rmribeiro: community generally only advises/support upgrading from guty to hardy but not from dapper although its possible and i've done it before
[04:08] <killer88> anyone fimiar with gimpshop?
[04:08] <_2> flaccid one jump or four ?
[04:09] <killer88> having issue in kubuntu 8.04 installing gimshop
[04:09] <flaccid> _2: i always do 1
[04:09] <flaccid> killer88: whats the error
[04:10] <_2> :)   me too
[04:10] <killer88> hold om
[04:10] <flaccid> coolio
[04:10] <killer88> well i have all kids of issues if i try to uninstall gimp in adept let me remove it now
[04:10] <flaccid> ok
[04:10] <killer88> kinds
[04:11] <killer88> having to build from source
[04:11] <Choreboy> flaccid: after the (fuzzyfix)? I was able to install Java (figured it would be easier to just give in and uninstall later) and then install KNM
[04:11] <Choreboy> thanks!
[04:11] <flaccid> ok coolio  Choreboy good luck now :)
[04:12] <killer88> gimp_2.2.4-2_amd64.deb
[04:12] <Choreboy> thanks! I'm not entirely sure what all went down, but I got it done.
[04:12] <killer88> is what i have and i have the arch
[04:12] <flaccid> yeak fuzzy fix is just a term i made up as that command uses fuzzy logic to work out what to do with the pkg problem
[04:12] <Choreboy> I need to keep an archive of all these commands and what they do
[04:13] <flaccid> !software
[04:13] <flaccid> decent guides should be up there ^
[04:14] <killer88> i understand that there are guids wiki articles and such and they all say run 1 simple command and that command does not work
[04:14] <flaccid> killer88: sorry i was talking to Choreboy then
[04:14] <killer88> where do you get libexif10?
[04:14] <killer88> sorry
[04:14] <flaccid> killer88: got the error yet
[04:14] <killer88> been going nut tring to figure this out
[04:15] <killer88> i need dependency libexif10
[04:15] <flaccid> killer88: install libkexif1 or libkexif12 usually
[04:15] <flaccid> !info libexif10
[04:15] <flaccid> that version is not available sorry killer88
[04:17] <killer88> dependency is not satisfyable
[04:18] <killer88> is therr a newer deb file?
[04:18] <flaccid> you havnt explained what command you are running, what exactly you are doing and what is the actual error killer88..
[04:18] <killer88> using the kde tool for installing .deb files
[04:19] <flaccid> and you are trying to install gimpshop?
[04:19] <killer88> dependency is not satisfyable
[04:19] <killer88> is there error
[04:19] <killer88> yes
[04:19] <flaccid> killer88: is gimp not suffice for you?
[04:22] <_2> it kinda ticks me off that eth0 is eth2 on the lappy     how to rename it to it's proper eth0 ?
[04:22] <_2> can ifconfig do that ?
[04:23] <killer88> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gimp/2.0/brushes/10x10squareBlur.gbr', which is also in package gimp-data
[04:23] <flaccid> _2: i think something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=315107 should be right
[04:24] <flaccid> killer88: well gimpshop is not in ubuntu repos, but this howto seems to work for people: http://delirial.com/archives/howto-gimpshop-on-ubuntu/
[04:24] <flaccid> killer88: this may help as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40427
[04:26] <_2> interesting,   i don't have an eth0 or eth1  in ifconfig -a   but those are the only two listings in the iftab  ;/
[04:27] <_2> deleting /etc/iftab seems to have worked
[04:28] <_2> much better.   ty.
[04:31] <fildo\a> back.
[04:31] <fildo> away: 8 days left till i go overseas :)
[04:34] <NightBird> is there a quick way to install dependencies for a program without actually installing the program itself?
[04:34] <flaccid> NightBird: only if the deps are in a separate pkg (libs/dev etc.) to the program's pkg
[04:35] <flaccid> or if you compile and do optional make install but thats pretty non standard
[04:35] <NightBird> flaccid: that's the situation
[04:35] <_2> not thinking of the business practices in any way.  only the actual hardware.    i'm setting between an older dell mini-tower and a toshiba laptop   the dell is quiet enough i can hear every thing the laptop does.
[04:35] <NightBird> I know of the build-dep apt-get to install the dependencies for building
[04:36] <flaccid> what are you trying to install?
[04:36] <NightBird> flaccid: vmware from the official vmware website
[04:36] <flaccid> what is the dep?
[04:36] <_2> NightBird sudo apt-get install package ;sudo apt-get remove package     <<< it will install package and all it's deps but then remove package and leave the deps
[04:36] <NightBird> okay
[04:37] <flaccid> um i don't think that will work unless the pkg is meta
[04:38] <_2> flaccid well there "might" be a dependancy loop   but most often there isn't
[04:38] <setuid_w00t> Are there any programs that can be used to try to read a DVD or CD repeatedly?  What I mean is retry reading if the first read fails.
[04:38] <_2> if pkg depends on libpkg   and libpkg depends on pkg   then it gets ugly
[04:40] <_2> setuid_w00t  you mean like     until cp -a /media/cdrom . ;do : ;done      ???
[04:41] <setuid_w00t> _2: but won't that restart the entire copy if one block fails?
[04:41] <_2> setuid_w00t yep  but man cp   and look at the -a switch
[04:42] <_2> setuid_w00t that would not work for an audio CD of course
[04:42] <setuid_w00t> _2: I don't think that's what I'm looking for
[04:43] <setuid_w00t> I want the program to retry on each failed block, not retry the entire copy.
[04:44] <sacha_> hey
[04:44] <_2> oh forgot the u   sorry.  -au   my bad
[04:44] <sacha_> i have no window decorations and i cant type in applications
[04:44] <sacha_> this happened after a Qt update
[04:46] <josue> hola q tal
[04:46] <josue> alguien q me ayude
[04:46] <josue> por aqui
[04:50] <_2> !es | josue
[04:50] <_2> oops
[04:50] <rgreening> has anyone gotten korganizer (kontact) to sync with google calendar
[04:51] <[Relic]> thinking the coretemp module isn't loading properly for some reason, which is why the core temps never show up
[05:14] <_2> which will take precedance ?  .dmrc or .xinitrc ?
[05:37] <petgrill> hi guys i have a BIIIIG problem... :/ i tryed to login kubuntu and it took too long to load and after loading and insert the password everything went white and i only could see the mouse pointer... i also could rotate cube desktop which show me that everything was white :/ is this the blue screen of linux?:P can anyone help me plz?
[05:44] <petgrill> is anyone here?
[05:44] <oramaq> como entro a #kubuntu-es??
[05:45] <oramaq> #kubuntu-es
[05:45] <p_quarles> oramaq, "/join #kubuntu-es", pero sin ""
[05:46] <oramaq> tanks
[05:56] <Doctor_Nick> hi, would anyone here happen to have Qt 4.4 on their systems?
[06:16] <_2> then the internet died !
[06:19] <Doctor_Nick> :(
[06:22] <_2> this is a strange message " your computer seems to hace a partial ACPI installation; ACIP was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not. - you need to enabel at least 'AC Adapter' and 'control method battery' and then rebuild your kernel."
[06:22] <_2> window title "configure - kde control module"
[06:23] <_2> it's a ubuntu kernel, i didn't build it.   ^
[06:23] <uga> _2: what submenu of kcontrol does show it?
[06:24] <_2> no.
[06:24] <uga> what -> isn't a yes/no question ;)
[06:24] <uga> where do you see that
[06:24] <uga> and that's not a yes/no question either ;)
[06:25] <_2> uga not in kcontrol  so how can i answer but "no"
[06:25] <uga> _2: your title reads "configure - kde control module"
[06:25] <_2> like i said the window title "configure - kde control module"
[06:25] <uga> that's a kcontrol module (kcm) =(
[06:25] <uga> =)
[06:25] <uga> _2: which of the kde control modules
[06:26] <_2> that one ^
[06:26] <_2> :)
[06:26] <uga> _2: what steps do you follow to run it
[06:26] <_2> just a minute and i'll do a ps to see
[06:26] <uga> no! not a ps
[06:26] <uga> sigh
[06:26] <uga> _2: what do you click to reach there
[06:26] <uga> ps will only say kcontrol
[06:27] <ubuntu_> need help!!! i cant fix my kubuntu and i am about to reinstal it :/
[06:27] <_2> kcmshell laptop
[06:27] <ubuntu_> i went to login as always and i got white screen
[06:27] <_2> doesn't say kcontrol anywhere
[06:27] <uga> _2: okay, see? it' sa kcontrol module =)
[06:27] <uga> kcm == kcontrol module
[06:28] <_2> laptop
[06:28] <_2> that's what you asked for.
[06:28] <uga> _2: you can reach that through kcontrol->power control->laptop
[06:28] <uga> yes
[06:28] <uga> _2: same issue here. But it might only be because acpi module doesn't support part of your features
[06:28] <uga> this is a desktop and thus doesn't offer certain capabilities
[06:29] <uga> _2: I'd suggest asking at #kubuntu-devel if those features were included or not in-kernel
[06:29] <_2> more likely that something wasn't running
[06:29] <ubuntu_> how can i stop compiz without logging in?
[06:29] <uga> _2: no, those are in-kernel features
[06:29] <uga> kde will try accessing them through /proc/acpi
[06:30] <uga> but some of them are obviously unavailable since the kernel doesn't support part of the acpi features in that board
[06:30] <uga> that's a very common thing
[06:30] <_2> uga don't NO at me.    yes.  it worked before i deleted all the links in the /etc/rc7.d/  and /etc/rcS.d/
[06:30] <_2> so it is more likely that something wasn't running
[06:30] <uga> _2: NO, I hate users that don't believe developers
[06:31] <uga> cya guy, enjoy yer time coding ;)
[06:31] <uga|away> _2: btw, yes, you did a very stupid thing by removing system services, that got NOTHING to do with your problem
[06:31] <uga|away> level 7 services btw
[06:32] <_2> i've been called worse by better.
[06:32] <uga|away> no wonder =))
[06:32] <frybye> Hi all - I am running the hardy-herron live dvd - so I cant save any changes right??
[06:33] <frybye> seems to work pretty good though .. heheh
[06:33] <rickey> sun java 6 is hanging  my adept installer up
[06:34] <bloodboy> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/883/av1894tg1.gif
[06:34] <rickey>  how can i take it out of my up grade package?
[06:34] <frybye> bloodboy - what is that image all about???
[06:34] <bloodboy> yourmom
[06:35] <frybye> bloodb - u sure you are playing in the right back-yard???
[06:35] <bloodboy> i play in every backyard i want to
[06:35] <rickey> ok guy,s i could use a little help
[06:36] <Jucato> !language | bloodboy
[06:36] <Jucato> that goes for pics too
[06:36] <frybye> cool Jucato...
[06:36] <rickey> hey jucato
[06:37] <Jucato> hey
[06:37] <frybye> rickey.. I would be happy to try and help but am a newbie so not much clue...
[06:37] <rickey> i am new too
[06:37] <frybye> and I have to head off to work now - c u folks.. bye...
[06:37] <Jucato> !aptfix | rickey
[06:38] <rickey> jucato this is a little different
[06:39] <rickey>  the same file crashes over and over i need to remove it
 sun java 6 is hanging  my adept installer up <--- it's probably because of the license agreement
[06:39] <rickey> how do i fix that?
[06:39] <Jucato> with the command the bot gave :)
[06:40] <yao_ziyua2> how do i configure java settings in kubuntu?
[06:41] <_2> uga|away all working now.  so the message obviously makes too many asumptions and is thus imprecise.   but thanks anyway.
[06:41] <dsmith_> wht do ppl that are so-called informed keep telling me MS is a standard when it isn't?
[06:42] <dsmith_> idiots
[06:42] <yao_ziyua2> ms is yeaterday
[06:42] <Jucato> and offtopic is last year and in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:42] <dsmith_> lol...
[06:42] <dsmith_> aye boss
[06:42] <rickey> i wont do this again, but what dose this mean
[06:43] <_2> dsmith_ heh i saw a quit message eariler "when M$ makes something that doesn't suck, it will be a vacume cleaner"
[06:43] <rickey> rickey@home:~$ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:43] <rickey> [sudo] password for rickey:
[06:43] <rickey>                      USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[06:43] <rickey> /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       6423 F.... dpkg
[06:43] <rickey> Kill process 6423 ? (y/N) n
[06:43] <rickey> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[06:43] <rickey> rickey@home:~$
[06:43] <dsmith_> _2: lol
[06:44] <jussi01> !paste | rickey
[06:44] <Jucato> rickey: the first part is supposed to unlock the database, while the 2nd part of the command is to try to continue what it was trying to install or update
[06:47] <rickey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13419/
[06:47] <Jucato> rickey: I already answered you
[06:47] <Jucato> you're supposed to say 'y'
[06:48] <rickey> as you can see another prosess is stoping it
[06:48] <Jucato> otherwise it won't be able to do what it's supposed to do
[06:48] <rickey> how do i fix that prosess
[06:48] <Jucato> that's why you're supposed to say 'y' (YES, kill that process)
[06:48] <Jucato> by saying 'y'!
[06:48] <DreadKnight> heya; i've got an mp4 player thingy connected to the pc via USB (using kubuntu hardy and kde4) and i get no 'new device' notification. How can i browse the player's memory?
[06:49] <rickey> ok
[06:49]  * jussi01 shows DreadKnight the way to #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[06:50] <DreadKnight> jussi01: i  should be a generic ubuntu issue actually :P
[06:50] <DreadKnight> it*
[06:52] <rickey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13420/
[06:53] <rickey> so what could i do about this
[06:53] <jussi01> rickey: sudo apt-get install -f
[06:58] <Jucato> rickey: for pasting just a single line, it's ok to paste it in here. but for more than 2 lines, use the pastebin
[07:02] <rickey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13422/
[07:02] <rickey> wen i click on ok nothing happeneds
[07:03] <jussi01> rickey: press tab then enter
[07:03] <Jucato> rickey: you can't click it. press Tab to highligh the <Ok> "button" then press Enter or Space
[07:03] <Jucato> jussi01: your turn :P
[07:03]  * Jucato is awaaaaaaaaaay *yawn*
[07:08] <_2> whooops   i just did one of those "never do this/s"    i disabled the streach feature of the short screen display on the lappy   with a vga mode set to 100x37   which means that the console only displays in the very center of the screen and the fonts are unreadable   ;/
[07:10] <_2> same number of columns same number of rows, they just look like a postage stamp in the middle of the lcd
[07:14] <_2> heh it's still screwy,   i changed it back and it fixed everything in linux  but the boot splash is moved to 0,0  rather than streched   ;/
[07:15] <_2> err sorry boot splash may not be the proper name.   the image that the boot menu is on.      is that a boot splash too ?
[07:15] <Jucato> boot menu? grub/lilosplash
[07:16] <_2> lilo it's not an image that is seen after the kernel starts to load   only at the menu of os's
[07:16] <_2> lilo splash   you say is the proper name ?
[07:16] <Jucato> yeah. in GRUB, it would be the backdrop of the GRUB menu choices, grubsplash
[07:17] <_2> k i'll make a note
[07:18] <_2> are images interchangable between grubsplash and lilosplash ?   they are probably both printing raw to the display ?
[07:19] <Jucato> I think so. afaik grub just uses .xpm.gz
[07:20] <_2> can be .gz  doesn't have to be
[07:20] <_2> they are small files
[07:21] <_2> hmmm lilo is using a  "PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 640 x 480 x 8 "
[07:22] <Jucato> .bmp? :)
[07:25] <_2> yeah
[07:25] <_2> so maybe they are not interchangable
[07:26] <_2> grub is    image/x-xpmi 7bit
[07:27] <_2> well file name doesn't matter of course you could name the lilosplash file bob and the system would never know the differance  but yeah it's  M$.bmp format
[07:28] <_2> i'd play with that some more but i don't have anything with grub on it now.
[07:36] <_2> you know i don't think i have ever seen the sun java license
[07:37] <_2> not that i want to.
[07:38] <_2> that pastebin was the first time i have see the header of it   i think
[07:59] <_2> what is the dpkg-reconfigure package to set whether the hwclock is local or utc ?
[07:59] <netshark> Hola at the ubuntu guys :)
[08:00] <sigma_1234> how do i install all the debs in a folder automatically? i have about a hundred of them
[08:01] <_2> for q in * ;do dpkg -i $q ;apt-get install -f ;done
[08:02] <_2> you will see many errors.  but if all goes right they will all work themselves out.
[08:03] <p_quarles> _2, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[08:03] <sigma_1234> i dont get it. say i want to install all the packages in /home/dell/deb .what would the command be?
[08:03] <_2> ty p_quarles
[08:04] <_2> woops /scripts/dpkg-reconfigure: tzdata is not installed
[08:05] <_2> hmmm not installed here either    /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tzdata is not installed
[08:05] <sigma_1234> _2: did you see my question above?
[08:06] <flaccid> sigma_1234: sudo dpkg -i * /home/dell/deb/*deb
[08:06] <_2> sigma_1234 cd /home/dell/deb   and run that  ^
[08:06] <flaccid> don't need to cd
[08:06] <_2> flaccid for the loop i posted he would.
[08:07] <_2> for your aproach no.
[08:07] <flaccid> ok
[08:07] <_2> i think we were typing at the same time flaccid :)
[08:09] <flaccid> haha
[08:09] <sigma_1234> flaccid: so by using those *'s it will install all the folders content?
[08:09] <_2> sigma_1234 * is a wildcard
[08:09] <flaccid> it will install all deb files in that folder
[08:10] <_2> echo *
[08:11] <_2> or for an example of the asterisks in flaccid's command  echo * /home/dell/deb/*deb
[08:11] <sigma_1234> dam if only i knew that. ive been manually installing them up to now!
[08:13] <p_quarles> sigma_1234, it's better to use apt, of course -- installing a bunch of independent .deb packages all at once has a high chance of breaking things
[08:13] <flaccid> nah its not actually p_quarles. apt is a frontend to dpkg and dpkg won't let you install conflicts
[08:14] <_2> sigma_1234 ? is also a wild card     but it only matches one char where * matches full strings    echo .ba??*    and you will see anything in the present dir that begins with .ba and has at least two more chars
[08:14] <p_quarles> flaccid, this is true, but dpkg -i *.deb will take arguments in alphabetical order -- you could spend a lot of time trying to un-mess things up when the initial command doesn't work
[08:15] <p_quarles> apt will check for conflicts and dependencies of all target packages before actually configuring them
[08:15] <_2> p_quarles that's what aptget install -f is for  :)
[08:16] <p_quarles> _2, it's for intentionally breaking things?
[08:16] <flaccid> this is more a logical question. and besides apt-get installs from repos. there is no repos here you would have to create one
[08:16] <_2> debreaking
[08:16] <_2> yes
[08:17] <_2> deselect might be a good choice there
[08:17] <flaccid> nope. this is the right. the way a vendor would do on a custom install cd for custom packages
[08:18] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[08:20] <netshark> hey ActionParsnip
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> is there a voice command software for KUbuntuthat accepts commands like play <artist name> or play <song name>?
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> ive seen maximise / minimise / next / close etc
[08:22] <_2> play is a command    comes in the sox package
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> with voice?
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> instead of typing
[08:23] <_2> was just commenting that the "play" command exists.
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> _2: I am aware of play dude :)
[08:24] <_2> if the voice recognition app can exec shell grammer then play should work.     command play blah
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> thats kinda what Im after
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> like i'd say "play californication" and it would fire up the desired app and play the album
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> etc
[08:29] <hw> Is it possible to append the current history to ~/.bash_history instead of replacing it?
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> hw: i thought it dod get appended
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> hw: to view your history use history in a konsole / yakuake or whatever you use
[08:31] <hw> ActionParsnip: my tests a few minutes ago shows that it got replaced
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> hmm, let me websearch
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> hw: try echo $HISTFILESIZE
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> what do you get?
[08:35] <hw> I get 50000 (not 500)
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> ok
[08:35] <hw> I set tis value :)
[08:35] <hw> +h
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> try rm .bash_history
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> close console
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> then reopen
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> do some tests
[08:38] <ActionParsnip> any good?
[08:39] <hw> I did. The history of the previous closed terminals got lost. But man bash didn't help me either...
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> hw: so you removed the cache file and its still the same
[08:40] <hw> Still the same behavior
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> hmmm
[08:41] <frybye> Hi - you folks we be seeing a bit of me in the comming days.. I just installed hardy heron and am pretty clueless.. <smile>
[08:43] <flaccid> welcome frybye
[08:43] <hw> ActionParsnip: Thx for wasting your time... =)
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> hw: Once  you have determined that a bug actually exists, mail a bug report
[08:43] <ActionParsnip>        to<EMAIL_ADDRESS> If you have a fix, you are  welcome  to  mail
[08:43] <ActionParsnip>        that  as  well!
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> hw: if you make another user and log on as that does it happen for the new user?
[08:44] <frybye> Hi flaccid
[08:44] <flaccid> howdy
[08:45] <frybye> tell me something .. can one assume that all software offered via adept actualiser etc.. is actually ok - or do malcontents put malware in there...?
[08:45] <flaccid> frybye: yep you can assume that
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> frybye: should be ok imho
[08:46] <hw> ActionParsnip: Might be a good idea... But I'm on my job and I can't invest more time... ;p
[08:46] <frybye> good.. I am just taking my first baby steps.. heheh Way back I used a different distro for a while...
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> frybye: what did you use?
[08:46] <frybye> oh jeez - cant remember right now.. something with "s"
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> suse, slackware
[08:47] <frybye> suse...
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> suse is nice, apt-get is like yum
[08:48] <frybye> flaccid - when I use the adept manager and ahve found a proggy I want to install - where do I need to click..
[08:48] <flaccid> frybye: on the pkg then request install then to apply, click apply changes
[08:48] <flaccid> !adept | frybye
[08:48] <frybye> unfortunatly I have the german version running here and noone seems around in the kubuntu-de #
[08:49] <eRqzor> is there somebody here using exflaso for tagging ?
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> frybye: you can also bring up a konsole and type sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[08:49] <frybye> right - bit at a loss cos of the language here.. i am a brit living in germany...
[08:49]  * ActionParsnip is a brit
[08:50] <eRqzor> i dont understand why cddb lookup doesn't give any answer rather than i have cddb plugin + python_musicbrainz installed
[08:50] <frybye> Hi action.. when I click on firefox 3 for instance it offers (in German-) delete change or details.. nothing with "install"
[08:50] <flaccid> the button should say something like wenden Sie Änderungen an
[08:50] <frybye> ah ha - at the top is "aplly changes" so I click there..
[08:51] <flaccid> there are screenshots in the howto above for position of button
[08:51] <frybye> right that is up the top of the window - yeah??
[08:51] <flaccid> um have a look
[08:52] <frybye> I have looked at the howto - but that is quite different to what I have here.. hmmmm
[08:52] <flaccid> actually its commit changes which is probably something like legen Sie Änderungen fest
[08:53] <frybye> it is now saying I should put the kubuntu cd in the drive - but I have the dvd and it does not seem happy with that...
[08:53] <flaccid> !repos | frybye
[08:53] <apakabar> may i talking something
[08:53] <flaccid> frybye: goto manage repositories from the Adept menu - you probably won't to change that to use internet repos
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> eRqzor: amarok can do it if you have it installed
[08:54] <flaccid> !ask | apakabar
[08:54] <frybye> ok - you are a star flaccid... heheh
[08:54] <flaccid> np. but my deutsch is rusty..
[08:54] <eRqzor> ActionParsnip: sure i'm using the best player :o, but i always tagged with exflaso i can try with amarok eventually :o
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> eRqzor: there is no "best player" it doesnt exist
[08:55] <eRqzor> ActionParsnip: but i preferer to tag before passing them in my collection
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> eRqzor: tag as you rip ;)
[08:55] <frybye> in there it says "server for Germany" but still wants the cd apparently.. i guess to get it from the cd and not unnecessarily load the server...?
[08:56] <eRqzor> ActionParsnip: for me it is, but there is no question about that, there is enough player for anybody (i use mpd to for remote playing)  / thanks for tips -
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> np bro
[08:58] <dsmith_> hi
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> !hi | dsmith_
[08:58] <dsmith_> i moved the /home directory /mnt/home now I get a kstartupconfig msg
[08:58] <flaccid> frybye: goto second tab in software sources (third party software) and uncheck cdrom
[08:58] <dsmith_> is that a chown issue?
[08:58] <frybye> flaccid - is there some way I can get adept manager to ignore cd (cos i dont have it - it is asking for the amd64 cd and i have a dvd...) and only get from .. ok i c n ow..
[08:59] <flaccid> cool
[08:59] <frybye> it is updating the list now...
[08:59] <flaccid> sweet
[08:59] <dsmith_> fstab is conf. correctly
[08:59] <flaccid> i don't understand what you did dsmith_
[08:59] <dsmith_> I seem to remember having this problem before, but I do not remeber what I did.. should have wrote it done
[09:00] <dsmith_> *down
[09:00] <frybye> heheh - you are a 5 star star .. eheh it is working...
[09:00] <flaccid> mad thanks frybye
[09:00] <flaccid> danke
[09:00] <dsmith_> flaccid: I moved /homne to /mnt/home its own partition
[09:00] <frybye> opened a different window .. installing and so on...
[09:00] <dsmith_> cp'd everytihgn over
[09:00] <dsmith_> edit fstab to reflect changes
[09:00] <frybye> it says it is installed.. so I go check in the k-menu right...?
[09:01] <flaccid> dsmith_: make fstab mount the fs to /home or symlink /home to /mnt/home
[09:01] <flaccid> frybye: depends what you were installing
[09:01] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[09:01] <dsmith_> how do you symlink?
[09:02] <frybye> it was the firefox 3 - what it has installed is the beta 5 - since yesterday there is a rc... hmmm
[09:02] <dsmith_> !symlink
[09:02] <flaccid> dsmith_: ln -s
[09:02] <frybye> I seem to remember reading some place that the updates will come autom...?
[09:03] <flaccid> frybye: yeah. you just might want to make sure you have backports and propsed updates checked in software sources
[09:03] <frybye> eh - software sources.. ah in adept...ok hang on...
[09:07] <frybye> flaccid - didnt find the bit about backports??
[09:07] <flaccid> frybye: huh?
[09:07] <flaccid> !backports
[09:07] <frybye> have changed the updates setting to accept pre-releases...
[09:08] <_2> "<ActionParsnip> suse is nice, apt-get is like yum"    them there is fightin' words matey   :)
[09:08] <flaccid> cool
[09:10] <JoshOvki> hey
[09:11] <frybye> flaccid - how do i switch the default browser to ffox...?
[09:12] <frybye> (excuse me I was in the air force too long - the word please dont exist there.. sorry..)
[09:12] <flaccid> frybye: system settings -> default applicatins -> web browser
[09:17] <wayneandleanne> anybody know  how to enable dvd:rip to encode to x264
[09:22] <frybye> flaccid - thanx again for all your help .. i will be playing with this a bit now...
[09:23] <flaccid> sweet np frybye
[09:23] <flaccid> good luck with the frybyes..
[09:23] <frybye> thanx flaccid.. heheh
[09:24] <flaccid> i was i was an aussie in germany atm :)
[09:25] <Mantan> no one is halping me in #ubuntu so i figure I'll ask here since the two OS's are related: I'm trying to install Ubuntu but the built in partitioner won't detect the HD. I used an old win98 floppy to wipe the old partition (which would boot before I wiped it), I also made a new one (which is empty). I had tried installing before wiping the old partition as well and encountered the same problem. How do I make it detect it?
[09:26] <frybye> ah ha - I remember back when there was an aussi pie shop here in Berlin .. was a bit pricey but pies were ok heheh
[09:26] <frybye> no spitoons though.. which i remember from the oz pub in earls court in london...
[09:26] <flaccid> Mantan: appears to be hardware problem/bios. i suggest trying the alternate cd. is it detecting in bios on boot?
[09:26] <Mantan> yes
[09:26] <flaccid> !alternate | Mantan
[09:28] <Mantan> k I'll try this. thx
[09:28] <flaccid> Mantan: what type of hdd
[09:28] <frybye> flaccid - dosent accept pms from me.. how/where should i register...?
[09:28] <flaccid> frybye: /msg nickserv help register
[09:28]  * JoshOvki is watching the ubuntu channel and people seem less happy than here
[09:29] <flaccid> hehe
[09:30] <Mantan> flaccid: it's 120 gig western digital
[09:30] <flaccid> Mantan: what type, ata, sata, pata, scsi etc. ?
[09:30] <Mantan> otherwise I have no idea
[09:30] <flaccid> np
[09:31] <Mantan> how do I find this out?
[09:31] <JoshOvki> Mantan: do you know what the plug looks like? or was it in your pc when you got it?
[09:31] <Mantan> should it just be on the HD somewhere
[09:32] <frybye> flaccid - seems to have worked with the registrering... will see now what happens when I go off and come back hehe
[09:32] <Mantan> the machine itself is a pentium 3
[09:32] <JoshOvki> i gotta go, gotta retake me outdoor safty inc mountin rescue test
[09:32] <JoshOvki> been 5 years already
[09:33] <JoshOvki> catch ya all later
[09:33] <Mantan> and the two cables attached to it are a wide grey one
[09:33] <JoshOvki> Mantan: thats IDE then
[09:33] <Mantan> yes
[09:33] <flaccid> well ide is a lot of types.
[09:33] <Mantan> IDE I had forgotten what it was called
[09:33] <flaccid> its ata ide most likely
[09:34] <flaccid> sata is ide as well as well as most of the drives
[09:34] <flaccid> anyway point is, no extra setup required like scsi/raid
[09:34] <Mantan> k
[09:34] <frybye> re all...
[09:34] <flaccid> frybye: you just need to /msg nickserv identify password
[09:34] <frybye> flaccid  i did it - worked...
[09:35] <frybye> getting better by the minute.. hehe
[09:35] <flaccid> nice
[09:35] <frybye> I remember that with suse (v10 if i remember right...) things were pretty complex.. here not so bad...
[09:36] <frybye> flaccid - so you are back in oz now...? (eh - ist this too off-topic?)
[09:36] <frybye> ah ha - can do a pm now i guess..
[09:36] <mephistofun> why are my keyboard shortcuts all fubar in kde?  alt-f1 and alt-f2 do nothing
[09:37] <flaccid> yeah ot. we might get whipped by Jucato if we do OT :)
[09:37] <flaccid> mephistofun: check the shortcuts in system settings
[09:37] <flaccid> !ot > frybye
[09:38] <mephistofun> they are set correctly
[09:38] <flaccid> mephistofun: not sure. could try #kde . also make sure you don't have a f-lock key on your k/b preventing those shortcuts
[09:39] <Jucato> flaccid: right you are
[09:40] <flaccid> :)
[09:41] <Jucato> mephistofun: KDE 3 or 4?
[09:41] <mephistofun> 3 and 4... neither one has any of the 'useful' keyboard shortcuts like alt-f2
[09:41] <mephistofun> but they work in gnome
[09:41] <Jucato> huh?
[09:41] <mephistofun> ctrl-esc works, as does ctrl-alt-l
[09:41] <Jucato> Alt+F2 -> Run Command... that works in both 3 and 4
[09:42] <Pennycook> mephistofun: Do you have a F Lock key?
[09:42] <mephistofun> yes, but on my system they don't do anything
[09:42] <mephistofun> no, its a standard keyboard
[09:42] <mephistofun> desktop keyboard
[09:42] <Jucato> weird...
[09:42] <Pennycook> In System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts, are the shortcuts actually set?
[09:42] <Jucato> Alt+F1 is "Launch K Menu" in KDE 3 (nothing in KDE 4)
[09:43] <mephistofun> yes "RUN COMMAND -> Alt-F2"
[09:43] <mephistofun> under krunner
[09:43] <mephistofun> i'm in kde4 right now
[09:43] <mephistofun> could it possibly have something to do with compiz fusion
[09:43] <Pennycook> You're running Compiz and KDE4?
[09:43] <mephistofun> yeah
[09:43] <Jucato> oh that would explain it
[09:43] <mephistofun> well it doesnt work in kde3 either
[09:44] <mephistofun> as i said earlier
[09:44] <flaccid> mephistofun: help is in #kubuntu-kde4 and #compiz-fusion
[09:44] <mephistofun> hah
[09:44] <Jucato> Compiz Fusion would conflict with KDE's shortcuts
[09:44] <Pennycook> I would have thought that since most shortcuts are provided by Kwin, Compiz would get in the way.
[09:44] <mephistofun> fine i will disable compiz fusion and go back to kde3.. then will you be able to help
[09:44] <flaccid> mephistofun: create a new user and see if it works. if it does you know its in the user profile config somewhere
[09:44] <Jucato> mephistofun: in KDE 3, you're not using Compiz Fusion?
[09:44] <mephistofun> yes, but i can disable it by changing to kwin, right?
[09:45] <mephistofun> and i have compiz in gnome, too... but alt-f2 works there
[09:45] <mephistofun> ok i'll try creating a new user
[09:49] <eatThisAndDie> guys, i cant seem to listen to my audio.
[09:49] <eatThisAndDie> says my audio device is in use.
[09:49] <eatThisAndDie> how do i find out which program is using it?
[09:53] <_2> can you not pipe into an internal function in a script ?
[09:56] <_2> shell script fungtion STACK() ;;;  echo something | STACK  ;   ?
[09:56] <_2> function maybe
[09:56] <jonorland> You can see what program is using a file/dev with lsof something like this: lsof /dev/snd/controlC0
[09:56] <_2> eatThisAndDie fuse ?
[09:56] <petgrill> hi i did autoremove to fix something and now i cant see window borders system tray icons etc can anyone help me?
[09:57] <_2> !adeptfix
[09:57] <_2> example usage ^
[09:57] <eatThisAndDie> fuse wat?
[09:57] <petgrill> ubottu : are you talking to me?
[09:59] <_2> fuser i mean.
[10:00] <petgrill> i did autoremove and now everything is messed up does anyone know how to fix this?
[10:02] <petgrill> i am a newbie
[10:02] <eatThisAndDie> jonorland: thx that worked!
[10:02] <jonorland> Your welcome
[10:04] <_2> petgrill sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop -f
[10:08] <petgrill> _2 i did sudo apt-get install kde    just before you said this and now i can use your command :/
[10:08] <presto> im distro hopping right now looking for the ultimate kde distro any input on kubuntu vs opensuse or mandriva
[10:10] <flaccid> eatThisAndDie: how did you go?
[10:12] <_2> petgrill sure.  but it's not really needed.   one or the other   kde or kubuntu-desktop   but both is kinda overkill      wont hurt anything tho.
[10:13] <flaccid> not really. kubuntu-desktop is a meta package depending on the base kde packages
[10:13] <presto> any thoughts anyone?
[10:13] <_2> presto yeah  mandriva has always been kde based
[10:13] <flaccid> if you install kubuntu-desktop, you have kde
[10:13] <flaccid> well pc-bsd kills them all :)
[10:14] <_2> flaccid and kde is a meta package depending on the base kde package too
[10:15] <_2> flaccid you did see what his issue was didn't you
[10:17] <flaccid> !info kde
[10:17] <_2> [Lag 81] never saw it that high before
[10:17] <flaccid> ah ok thats changed sorry
[10:17] <flaccid> window borders because of autoremove?
[10:18] <_2> not sense hoary it hasn't
[10:18] <flaccid> well i personally don't install base/minimal kde always the full desktop so thats why i hadn't noticed the change...
[10:19] <flaccid> !info kde-core
[10:19] <flaccid> ah even thats meta ok np
[10:19] <_2> and kicker he said      "remember i'm lagging"
[10:19] <presto> someone convince me kubuntu is the best kde, im horrible when it comes to decisions
[10:19] <_2> then you install "kde" ?   ^
[10:19] <flaccid> hmm i text search that can't find it sorry
[10:20] <flaccid> presto: like i said pc-bsd is. but that is freebsd not linux.
[10:20] <flaccid> !best
[10:20] <flaccid> there is also that to consider ^
[10:21] <_2> or do you mean that you normally install only part of kde,   the part that comes with the kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:22] <flaccid> i just do the kubuntu-desktop then the additional packages as per how kde divides it up eg. kde-multimedia
[10:22] <flaccid> core just aint enough heh
[10:23] <kunim> hello, is there a "direct" way to make hardy install on an encrypted root partition?
[10:24]  * _2 notes that the meta package "kde" installs more kde than the meta package "kubuntu-desktop" incase anyone didn't know it yet.  now they do.
[10:25] <_2> and some fellow told me this wasn't an information channel
[10:26] <_2> oh disk encryption    i haven't played with that yet... i need to learn about that
[10:26] <kunim> i want to reinstall anyway, so best time to plan this :)
[10:26] <kunim> there are some tutorials but those seem outdated (found some for 6.06)
[10:28] <kunim> also it might be bad to use a vanilla hardy installation due to openssl insanity...?!
[10:28]  * _2 is using 6.6
[10:29] <Fyl0n> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on a Intel Q9300 proc
[10:29] <Fyl0n> But kubuntu says my proc has 3MB L2 cache instead of 4MB L2 cache
[10:29] <Fyl0n> Is this normal? and how can I change it so it will recognise 4MB L2 cache?
[10:29] <_2> is openssl insain in hardy ?
[10:29] <flaccid> kunim: afaik encrypted fs is only available in the installer of the alternate cd. its fine to use hardy. i don't know what this openssl insanity could be
[10:30] <kunim> flaccid: read the news, openssl created bad keys under debian/ubuntu... :P
[10:31] <kunim> and if i use the alternate installer i can not do a "dist-upgrade" to get the new version...
[10:31] <kunim> so i wonder how dm-crypt uses ssl if at all..
[10:31] <flaccid> kunim: um link me to the news please.
[10:32] <kunim> flaccid: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys
[10:32] <_2> kunim it's customary to post a url with such things  ;/
[10:32] <kunim> man i though everybody knew about this :O
[10:32] <flaccid> why would they
[10:33] <flaccid> kunim: thats not news. thats the debian wiki.
[10:33] <kunim> flaccid: because it hit all major tech sites for quite a few days :)
 so i wonder how dm-crypt uses ssl if at all.. < probably only in making the keys
[10:33] <flaccid> kunim: then show us. don't link me to documentation.
[10:33]  * _2 seldom uses any ssl anything
[10:34] <kunim> flaccid: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1 .. http://news.google.com/news?q=openssl+debian
[10:34] <kunim> http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/kubuntu/hardy/ red headline
[10:35] <_2> "did slashdot say it was fud?"
[10:35] <flaccid> i don't see what this has to do with fs encryption
[10:35] <kunim> flaccid: because ssl creates weak keys
[10:35] <kunim> and if dm-crypt creates it's initial keys they might be weak
[10:35] <_2> that was supposed to be a joke. ^
[10:36] <flaccid> kunim: fs encryption is done with ssl?
[10:36] <kunim> for key generation? i don't know, that's why i ask..
[10:36] <flaccid> im trying to find info on it. i doubt it uses ssl but i could be wrong. i thought it was encFS but i havnt tried it yet...
[10:36] <akillah> guys,i have a problem with file sharing using samba, I shared a folder, windows users can see it but cant get ? Why?
[10:37] <flaccid> hmm encfs is ssl
[10:37] <flaccid> kunim: ok so there is a low risk vunl here. but its still a vunl. choice is yours
[10:37] <kunim> LOW?
[10:37] <flaccid> i can't find any information to clarify what the encrypted filesystem feature introduced in hardy is..
[10:38] <coder2> Hello. I have two soundcards: the onboard RealTek and Audigy 4 in the PCI slot. Looks like all the output goes through RealTek. How to set Audigy as a default soundcard?
[10:38] <flaccid> kunim: it depends on the physical access to the machine. note that the fixes have already been released so if you update after install its not an issue at all. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=210
[10:39] <akillah> guys,i have a problem with file sharing using samba, I shared a folder, windows users can see it but cant get in
[10:39] <kunim> flaccid: when i install on a root system i do not get the updates....
[10:39] <kunim> and fs encryption is ONLY about physical access..
[10:39] <flaccid> kunim: um you need to enable the repos with the updates first i would say
[10:39] <kunim> but i cant do that on the alternate installer
[10:39] <flaccid> ah yes but if you get the update and then update keys then there surely cannot be a vunl
[10:39] <kunim> and thats the one supporting encrypted rootfs
[10:40] <flaccid> um
[10:40] <flaccid> the updates are released!
[10:40] <flaccid> whats the problem
[10:40] <kunim> updated boot cds?
[10:41] <flaccid> if you are sitting front of the machine you only have to worry about physical violence before doing the updates..
[10:41] <flaccid> no. in the repos.
[10:41] <akillah> hey,guys,who can help me with samba - it's a little problem, pleeeeease.... (((
[10:41] <kunim> aaaaand if i update, then i have to re-encrypt the whole drive?
[10:42] <_2> flaccid you can update the key to the fs encription after you install ?
[10:42] <_2> kunim actually you could update he installce first.
[10:42] <_2> install CD first
[10:42] <flaccid> i don't think so, just key update
[10:42] <flaccid> i think you can update the key etc. but i could be wrong once again because i havnt used it yet
[10:43] <kunim> i guess making a non-broken install-cd is the best way to go..
[10:43] <flaccid> whatever that is..
[10:43] <kunim> a alternate install cd with sane openssl libs
[10:43] <coder2> How to choose default souncard between two existent?
[10:44] <_2>  [Lag 145] [O/0 N/325 I/0 V/0 F/0]     <<< o.O
[10:45] <flaccid> kunim: it could be as simple as reconfiguring the package which runs a script. but i can't find any documentation on it
[10:45] <kunim> flaccid: i can't image it's that simple...
[10:45] <flaccid> see man encfs and also the doco online
[10:46] <flaccid> image?
[10:46] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[10:46] <kunim> imagine ..
[10:48] <fildo\a> lol @ dosesntwork
[10:48] <fildo\a> back.
[10:48] <flaccid> imagine what?
[10:49] <kunim> that i can exchange the keys for an already encrypted device afterwards without reencrypting everything etc.
[10:49] <flaccid> kunim: i can't find anything on changing keys as encfs as limited doco so i  dont know if its possible
[10:49] <Agent_bob> coder2 asoundconf   but i don't remember exactly
[10:49] <flaccid> it should be possible, it might take time but its possible. whether they have that feature yet, i can't confirm...
[10:50] <kunim> i never said it where impossible
[10:50] <flaccid> i know that
[10:50] <flaccid> kunim: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=54078 and http://xlife.zuavra.net/index.php/66/#encfs-disadvantages might give some info
[10:50] <kunim> but instead of having a sane installation in the first place it's not "simple"..
[10:50] <flaccid> there is nothing simple about encryption.
[10:51] <flaccid> and this is a new feature
[10:51] <flaccid> when a vuln is identified and there is a caveat like this, don't expect a simple solution
[10:51] <kunim> also i want to use dm-crypt not encfs, as encfs does not allow root fs encryption afaik
[10:52] <kunim> flaccid: simple solution -> update the installer cds..
[10:52] <Agent_bob> !info encfs dapper
[10:52] <flaccid> kunim: thats not simple. the release cycle is not changeable.
[10:52] <kunim> sure it is...
[10:53] <flaccid> in theory yes, in practice with the project im not so sure..
[10:53] <kunim> it's not to release hardy+1 but hardy-fixed
[10:53] <dc2447> I have GB keyboard set in HH - but the ctrl button no loner works?  keyboard is fine
[10:54] <flaccid> kunim: just another fyi link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystems . there has never been a dodgy -fixed released with ubuntu for one singular vuln or anything afaik
[10:54] <Agent_bob> !info cryptsetup dapper
[10:54] <flaccid> if you are on dapper lts then maybe you should give canonical a call..
[10:54] <flaccid> or were you on hardy
[10:55] <user2> # surabaya
[10:56] <Agent_bob> dc2447 showkeys     in a terminal and press/release the ctrl key
[10:57] <Agent_bob> oops   showkey
[10:57] <Agent_bob> no trailing s
[10:57] <dc2447> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[10:58] <Agent_bob> that will tell us if the hardware is bad or if the key just got remapped
[10:58] <flaccid> yeah i get that too
[10:58] <Agent_bob> ?
[10:59] <Agent_bob> what kind of bug is that ?
[10:59] <flaccid> no idea
[11:00] <Agent_bob> you do have /dev/console ?
[11:00] <dc2447> /dev/console: character special (5/1)
[11:00] <Agent_bob> and /dev/fd
[11:01] <dc2447> /dev/fd: symbolic link to `/proc/self/fd'
[11:01] <flaccid> i thought if it goes to console for stdin it would be interactive mode but hey i have no idea with this binary..
[11:02] <Agent_bob> hmmm   then the bug doesn't look like it's lowlevel   something kde is hosing ?
[11:02] <flaccid> i guess we don't know. !google and !bugs :)
[11:03] <Agent_bob> ah  -:- CTCP PING reply from Agent_bob: 0.755 seconds    lags over
[11:03] <flaccid> eg. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=109377 and http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Couldnt+get+a+file+descriptor+referring+to+the+console+showkey&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[11:03] <Agent_bob> and tinyurl has it's place...
[11:03] <flaccid> actually http://www.arthaey.com/tech/support/#Error Messages7
[11:04] <flaccid> Agent_bob: tinyurl is no substitution for a bad URI scheme
[11:04] <Agent_bob> true.
[11:04] <coder2> Agent_bob: thank you.
[11:04] <flaccid> Agent_bob: sorry i guess i meant a 'good' uri scheme. see the article 'cool uris never change' by tim
[11:04] <flaccid> the above link shows why. run it in a tty.
[11:04] <Agent_bob> coder2 what did i do this time ?
[11:05] <mattycoze> hey everyone i need to know how to install envy on Kubuntu?
[11:05] <Agent_bob> !envy
[11:05] <mattycoze> ok
[11:06] <coder2> Does anybody use skype in kubuntu? Can skype work with mic attahed to one device and headphones to another? Can skype work with alsa? Skype site provides contradictory information about it. I suspect the skype docs is out of date.
[11:06] <Agent_bob> !skype
[11:07] <coder2> I've read too many docs but it did not help.
[11:08] <flaccid> unfortunately skype is closed and issues common
[11:08] <Agent_bob> skype is not free
[11:08] <coder2> So no ways to make it working ?
[11:08] <flaccid> coder2: ask skype - they made it closed source/commercial/prop. ..
[11:08] <Agent_bob> where there is a will there might be a way
[11:09] <flaccid> how would we know, its closed source so we have no idea :(
[11:10] <coder2> flaccid: I do not intend to participate in holy wars. I just try to move to linux desktop, but no success for a while...
[11:10] <Agent_bob> ah man i get my console trashed everytime the net changes...  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d77e3f73b    somebody know a command to block that from all but root ?
[11:11] <flaccid> coder2: no worries. its the nature of closed software that has not given linux the required support as well :)
[11:13] <Agent_bob> !free
[11:13] <coder2> Now I have problems with skype and TV-tuner. Earlier I had to get rid of compiz because it does not compatible with NetBeans IDE. And I've just broken through a very annoying problem with keyboard layout switching.
[11:13] <flaccid> whats the problem
[11:14] <coder2> flaccid: Have you asked me?
[11:14] <flaccid> i just did?
[11:14] <flaccid> whats the problem with skype/tv-tuner?
[11:16] <coder2> flaccid: Skype does not hear microphone. I do not know which weird input to select, which microphone to select in kmix (I have only ove mic input really but the kmix shows at least 3 mic inputs)
[11:17] <flaccid> what does that have to do with tv tuner?
[11:18] <flaccid> problem is that with kmix/mixer channels/settings its derived from the driver of the audio card and i've never seen doco and what is what. i agree its confusing as and i believe inaccurate at times when i've compared to the same card on windows
[11:19] <coder2> flaccid: skype: nothing. Tuner is a separate problem. Sound from there is too quiet. I have to set marter volume to 100% and there is risk for my ears if some other app makes a sound
[11:19] <flaccid> ah shoot
[11:19] <coder2> "master volume", sorry
[11:20] <flaccid> um well problem is that like webcams there is no standard protocol for tv tuners and in terms of straight out video even /dev/dsp etc. is not followed most of the time. what are you using for tvtuner program and/or driver?
[11:21] <cbr> is there any reason why 4.0.4 isnt in intrepid but is in hardy?
[11:22] <flaccid> cbr: #kubuntu-devel might be able to advise
[11:24] <coder2> flaccid: The TV-tuner is ComPro T300  (analog receiver), The only app that worked was kdeTV, if I'm not mistaken. I use analog loopback cable to hear at least anything, because I do not know how to hear sound from the onboard "digital in" device. And the tuner card was reconized automatically.
[11:24] <flaccid> coder2: did you try tvtime?
[11:24] <flaccid> !webcam
[11:24] <flaccid> !tvtuner
[11:24] <flaccid> dang
[11:26] <coder2> Yes. TV time works. The same quiet sound though. And tvtime is too inconvenient.
[11:26] <flaccid> well what channel is the audio cable plugged into?
[11:26] <coder2> Aux
[11:26] <flaccid> and what vol is aux set at for input and output?
[11:26] <coder2> 100%
[11:27] <flaccid> sounds like the hardware is not outputting enough gain for whatever reason
[11:27] <flaccid> ie. dbs below line level
[11:28] <coder2> But It is very loud under Windows XP with its native ComPro DTV app
[11:28] <kunim> coder2: some soundcards have an extra "boost" option might be worth to look for it
[11:28] <kunim> maybe also try the console based alsamixer as kmixer tends to be broken for some cards
[11:28] <kunim> kmix
[11:28] <flaccid> coder2: thats unfortunate, something is attenuating it somewhere
[11:28] <coder2> I think something is woing with TV-tuner firmware. I suspect that some firmware patch should be provided by the driver.
[11:29] <flaccid> check alsamixer and kmix and um i don't know what else
[11:29] <flaccid> i guess its possible
[11:30] <coder2> I suspect that the SAA7134HL chip has onboard sound gain control, but it is ignored by the linux driver
[11:30] <flaccid> possible i guess
[11:31] <Coggz> yo
[11:31] <flaccid> then its a matter of getting in contact with devs of that driver. no idea how to find out who they are..
[11:31] <coder2> By the way which TV-app can record videos?
[11:33] <kunim_> coder2: you could try to use the latest cvs/hg version of v4l..
[11:34] <kunim_> coder2: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/How_to_build_from_Mercurial
[11:35] <kunim_> not sure it will help....
[11:35] <flaccid> !mythtv | coder2
[11:36] <coder2> kunim_: I'm very new to kubuntu. I worked with RHEL/Fedora/CentOS before (only as a server platforms). I am not so brave yet to re-build the ubuntu kernel. I suspect that it may cause problems at least with NVidia driver.
[11:36] <coder2> And any ideas how to deal with mic in skype? By the way before kubuntu I've tried CentOS and skype worked there somehow. But kubuntu looks more attractive for me as a desktop OS.
[11:36] <kunim_> coder2: you only build the modules, not a whole new kernel
[11:37] <coder2> MythTV is obliuos overhead for me. I've tried it but it is too complex and its GUI is unusable I think. It even hidesmouse cursor
[11:37] <flaccid> ah well thats too bad
[11:38] <mattycoze> hey can anyone tell me why once i've uninstalled and reinstalled the NVIDIA driver with envy my screen still remains on 640x420 resolution!?
[11:38] <kunim_> coder2: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/TV_Recording <- maybe look at the list (the v4l wiki is quite good btw)
[11:39] <flaccid> mattycoze: because envy is bad.
[11:39] <coder2> kunim_: Looks like XDTV is broken
[11:39] <mattycoze> flaccid... yeah well it's all i have :(
[11:39] <coder2> VLC has no channel setup
[11:39] <flaccid> mattycoze: change the resolution in system settings. if that doesn't work then maybe it stuffed something
[11:40] <flaccid> mattycoze: its not required. kubuntu has hardware drivers manager.
[11:40] <kunim_> coder2: have you looked at kaffeine?
[11:40] <kunim_> its missing in the list as it seems
[11:41] <kunim_> ah it's at the "viewing" side.. but it can also timed record
[11:41] <kunim_> just no tv guide integration etc..
[11:41] <mattycoze> ohh okay
[11:41] <mattycoze> flaccid i think i've ticked the box and it seems to be installing the drivers via Adept
[11:41] <mattycoze> ... is Adept like better than synaptic?
[11:41] <flaccid> !adept
[11:41] <flaccid> yes
[11:42] <flaccid> !best
[11:42] <coder2> kunim_: Yes. But I can't see an interface to tune channels in kaffeine. Sorry, I'll be back in 10 mimutes
[11:42] <mattycoze> flaccid what makes it so much better?
[11:42] <flaccid> see above mattycoze
[11:42] <flaccid> synaptic is not native to kubuntu so we do not support it as much as adept
[11:43] <mattycoze> flaccid fair enough;
[11:43] <mattycoze> brb
[11:44] <eddy> hoi
[11:49] <danny_> hi all
[11:49] <danny_> can someone help me with installing java?
[11:50] <danny_> adept wont let me do it
[11:50] <mattycoze> flaccid back. is there a way to reset the Xorg file?
[11:50] <flaccid> mattycoze: which Xorg file, there are dozens.
[11:50] <flaccid> !java | danny_
[11:51] <flaccid> danny_: what does adept say is the problem/error?
[11:51] <mattycoze> flaccid; really? The one that looks after the screen resolution...
[11:51] <mattycoze> flaccid; i installed and activated the card... but still can't get the card in any higher resultion than 640x420
[11:52] <flaccid> mattycoze: you mean the config file? /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:52] <flaccid> mattycoze: did you set the resolution in system settings?
[11:52] <mattycoze> i think that's what i mean.
[11:52] <mattycoze> yes i've tried setting the resolution settings; but it won't go any higher
[11:52] <mattycoze> it's weird... i accidentally changed the driver this afternoon and hasn't been right since;
[11:53] <flaccid> whats make/model video card and please pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:53] <mattycoze> (tried changing it back of course)
[11:53] <mattycoze> okay
[11:53] <flaccid> if you have a look at the comments in that file it will show you how to update it..
[11:54] <mattycoze> flaccid; http://www.pastebin.org/37247
[11:55] <danny_> flaccid - the adept installer says - "there was an error commiting changes. Possibily there was a problem downloading some packages or the cmmit would break packages". I hae multi universe enabled.
[11:55] <flaccid> what resolution do you want... has to be compatible with your display ?
[11:55] <mattycoze> and i'll try find the make/model of the card
[11:55] <Agent_bob> well my laptop poo poo'd on it's self again....    ;/
[11:55] <mattycoze> it's something different to what i changed it to (the NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic)
[11:55] <Agent_bob> back later .
[11:55] <flaccid> danny_: goto konsole and run sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade and advise the error please via pastebine
[11:55] <flaccid> mattycoze: let us know what you want
[11:56] <mattycoze> flaccid; Geforce 8400M GS is what my gx card is
[11:56] <kunim_> mattycoze: you have exactly one modeline with 640x480 - so thats the resolution you'll get ...
[11:57] <flaccid> mattycoze: and what resoltion do you want and is compatible with the monitor.... problem is basically what kunim_ advised
[11:57] <mattycoze> yeah but that's not the point; the thing is i wanna get the right driver for my card (as I had before) so that i can get back up to the same resolution and performance I had before i made the stupid error
[11:58] <kunim_> you already using the closed and fast "nvidia" driver..
[11:58] <kunim_> maybe it's enough to recreate the xorg file with the installer
[11:58] <danny_> flaccid - http://rafb.net/p/TuN7Wa57.html
[11:59] <kunim_> i *think* omitting the modelines at all will make the driver try to detect the capabilities of the monitor..
[11:59] <flaccid> mattycoze: you are assuming too much.
[11:59] <kunim_> *if* your edid info from your display is correct
[11:59] <flaccid> !adeptfix | danny_
[12:01] <mattycoze> flaccid; well thanks for your honesty.
[12:01] <danny_> ok that seeems to have worked flaccid, what do i do now to install java runtim
[12:01] <flaccid> mattycoze: im still waiting for your desired res. otherise i can't give you what you need
[12:01] <flaccid> !java | danny_
[12:02] <kunim_> mattycoze: try to remove the both modeline entries, restart X and use "kdesu nvidia-settings" to make your settings to xorg.conf if you want to go the "gui" way..
[12:02] <kunim_> otherwise you can use http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/ to create a custom modeline
[12:02] <kunim_> (i.e. if your display gives broken information)
[12:03] <mattycoze> kunim_ unfortunately i'm gunna have to use the gui way; because i'm a noob (as you no doubt have realised)
[12:03] <mattycoze> the modeline entry I just delete and save right?
[12:03] <kunim_> yes
[12:03] <danny_> flaccid - http://rafb.net/p/EGeS0s70.html
[12:04] <kunim_> or better comment it with # .. but too late for that :/
[12:04] <flaccid> if you take out all resolutions you should be able to choose resolution, but thats not always the case. thats i why i asked for the resolution you wanted but never got a reply
[12:04] <kunim_> yeah well he already restarted :)
[12:04] <flaccid> danny_: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install
[12:05] <kunim_> but without the modelines it might work..
[12:05] <flaccid> not my problem.
[12:05] <danny_> flaccid you appear to be a legend
[12:05] <flaccid> are you sure danny_?
[12:05] <danny_> ye
[12:06] <coder2> kunim_: TV is only entertainment, it is not so important But problem with skype really prevents me to move to kubuntu desktop. I have to talk with may colleagues via skype.
[12:06] <flaccid> ok cool
[12:06] <danny_> it is suddenly installing 80mb of data
[12:06] <danny_> Need to get 30.7MB of archives.
[12:06] <danny_> After unpacking 87.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:06] <kunim_> coder2: you can select the input/output devices in the skype configuration... so what's the problem?
[12:07] <mattycoze> i'm sorry; the pc restarted
[12:07] <coder2> kunim_: I've tried every input from there, but no sound from the mic!
[12:07] <kunim_> coder2: try to use alsamixer instead of kmix to control the input volume
[12:08] <kunim_> coder2: open konsole and run "alsamixer"
[12:08] <kunim_> coder2: then press [Tab] to switch to input devices
[12:08] <jabba> meh, reboot
[12:09] <kunim_> coder2: use cursors to navigate and press [Space] to activate the appropiate mic channel and turn up the volume
[12:09] <mattycoze> kunim can't i just delete the xorg.conf file?
[12:09] <kunim_> mattycoze: erm no.. not a good idea..
[12:09] <flaccid> mattycoze: back it up instead of delete
[12:10] <coder2> kunim_: I've taken a look on it. It is not more understandable then kmix. Weird labeled sliders occupy the whole screen width and there is no way to choose soundcard there.
[12:10] <mattycoze> oh :( well when you say delete the modeline i'm not sure what to delete
[12:10] <kunim_> kunim_: just back it up, remove the modelines and try to use "kdesu nvidia-settings" ..
[12:10] <mattycoze> everwhere i see the 640x480?
[12:10] <flaccid> mattycoze: remove;   modeline  "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync
[12:10] <mattycoze> flaccid & saved
[12:11] <flaccid> mattycoze: its in two sections
[12:11] <mattycoze> okay
[12:11] <kunim_> coder2: well you can use alsamixer -c N   where N is 0 ... n for your soundcard
[12:11] <flaccid> mattycoze: if you let me know what res you want it can be hard coded...
[12:11] <kunim_> coder2: and yes i agree, the channel names tend to be confusing for some cards
[12:12] <mattycoze> flaccid mate i have no idea what it was when i got it all sorted out last time
[12:12] <flaccid> mattycoze: its a bit more than that. i'll make a new xorg.conf? whats the resolution you want (for the fifth time!)
[12:12] <flaccid> mattycoze: what is the max resolution of the monitor you are using. google can let you know this...
[12:12] <coder2> kunim_: Thank you for your help. I'll do the next try a bit later.
[12:13] <mattycoze> i'll need to google it flaccid brb
[12:13] <coder2> bye guys!
[12:14] <flaccid> mattycoze: if you find the resolution i can provide you a xorg.conf that will work.
[12:14] <mattycoze> flacid; quote google "The screen is gorgeous. It is wonderfully bright and clear, and provides a respectable 1280×800 "
[12:14] <flaccid> mattycoze: or just let me know the size of the monitor and make/model..
[12:14] <mattycoze> HP dv6000
[12:14] <flaccid> ok no worries
[12:15] <kunim_> mattycoze:  Modeline "1280x800@60" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841
[12:15] <flaccid> mattycoze: you have multiple monitors?
[12:16] <mattycoze> ahh i experimented once with the HD Tv :p
[12:16] <flaccid> right. well i've left your dual monitor setup even though i feel its not right
[12:17] <flaccid> new xorg.conf is http://www.pastebin.org/37252
[12:17] <mattycoze> okay then flaccid -
[12:18] <mattycoze> should i restart now?
[12:19] <flaccid> mattycoze: logout to the login screen and select restart X server from dropdown. if it doesn't return then restore previous xorg.conf from command line and report log..
[12:19] <flaccid> return=work
[12:20] <mattycoze> k brb
[12:29] <danny_> hey flaccid
[12:29] <danny_> i think i installed java, but where would it be installed?
[12:29] <danny_> danny@danny-laptop:/$ whereis java
[12:29] <danny_> java: /usr/bin/java /etc/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz
[12:29] <danny_> i need to add the plugin for firefox
[12:29] <flaccid> you don't really need to know where it installed. it installs to a few locations anyway
[12:29] <flaccid> that didn't work?
[12:30] <danny_> well its not working in firefox
[12:31] <flaccid> did you restart it?
[12:31] <danny_> my java applets are not showing
[12:31] <danny_> i closed firefox and opened again
[12:31] <danny_> in about:plugins no plugins are listed
[12:31] <kunim_> danny_:  you need to install sun-java6-plugin
[12:31] <bentob0x> anybody would know a good gui for watching live your active connections?
[12:31] <kunim_> (or some other version of it like icedtea-java7-plugin)
[12:32] <kunim_> depending on the java you use
[12:32] <bentob0x> a bit like the 'active connections' panel in Firestarter
[12:32] <flaccid> depends on the java danny_ is using
[12:32] <flaccid> danny_: pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i java please
[12:32] <flaccid> bentob0x: i aint seen an iptools equiv either, i'd like to know as well..
[12:33] <bentob0x> would be nice to have something like the system monitor applet but for your network
[12:33] <bentob0x> maybe with a tray icon opening/closing the main panel
[12:33] <danny_> http://rafb.net/p/pBJsgz19.html
[12:33] <danny_> flaccid - http://rafb.net/p/pBJsgz19.html
[12:34] <kunim_> danny_: so go with sun-java6-plugin
[12:35] <mattycoze> flaccid lol mmm
[12:36] <danny_> kunim - how do i know the package name?
[12:36] <kunim_> danny_: i used "apt-cache search java | grep plugin" ;)
[12:36] <flaccid> danny_: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin; killall firefox; firefox &
[12:36] <danny_> im a bit of a newb to linux lol
[12:37] <eagles0513875> im having trouble getting a stream to play in amarok and i have libxine1 flac ffmpeg lame amarok engines
[12:37] <flaccid> danny_: just run that command in konsole see how you go
[12:37] <danny_> ok thanks
[12:37] <eagles0513875> except the stream says no decoder
[12:37] <kunim_> flaccid:  ...no if he only had not written this 100 page blog post in firefox without saving :P
[12:37] <danny_> still no plugins installed flaccid
[12:38] <eagles0513875> it even happens to me on the cool stream
[12:38] <flaccid> danny_: what do you mean
[12:38] <flaccid> danny_: you need to install sun-java6-plugin
[12:38] <danny_> Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:38] <flaccid> oh
[12:38] <flaccid> danny_: what release are you on
[12:38] <mattycoze> flaccid you wouldn't have a copy of my original xorg.conf would you?
[12:38] <danny_> release
[12:38] <danny_> whats the command to find out lol
[12:38] <mattycoze> oh d.w flaccid
[12:39] <danny_> sorry for been a nub
[12:39] <kunim_> danny_: make sure you have enabled multiverse
[12:39] <kunim_> repository
[12:39] <eagles0513875> !version | danny_
[12:39] <danny_> yes i have
[12:39] <flaccid> mattycoze: http://www.pastebin.org/37247
[12:39] <eagles0513875> !amarok
[12:39] <eagles0513875> ok thats wrong lol
[12:39] <mattycoze> sok flaccid yeah i found it...
[12:40] <eagles0513875> uber wrong lol
[12:40] <danny_> Release:        7.10
[12:40] <danny_> gutsy
[12:40] <eagles0513875> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:40] <mattycoze> flaccid what you pasted did something strange;
[12:40] <flaccid> mattycoze: wouldn't be suprised
[12:40] <eagles0513875> flaccid: can u help me out im missing some mp3 decoder and i dont know which one
[12:40] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i have libxine1 amarok-engines
[12:41] <eagles0513875> ffmpeg flac lame
[12:41] <flaccid> eagles0513875: local file or URI on internet?
[12:41] <kunim_> !mp3
[12:41] <mattycoze> lol; well - yeah, i was gunna try what kunim suggested initially but then i changed to your method
[12:41] <eagles0513875> url even the cool streams that come with amarok <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:41] <flaccid> danny_: sudo apt-cache search sun-java6-plugin please
[12:41] <eagles0513875> lol fixed it
[12:42] <eagles0513875> didnt have the libxine1-ffmepg
[12:42] <mattycoze> kunim can you re-send that instruction about changing the modeline
[12:42] <danny_> ok i did it
[12:42] <danny_> and nothing came up
[12:42] <flaccid> eagles0513875: yep. just not that there is a bug in shoutcast servers ie. no demux plugin...
[12:42] <kunim_> mattycoze:  Modeline "1280x800@60" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841
[12:42] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i have gotten those sometimes
[12:42] <eagles0513875> just double click on em again or let some time go bythen they work
[12:42] <mattycoze> okay kunim, i'll try that
[12:42] <flaccid> mattycoze: quick solution is earch and replace the "640x480" with "1280x800" but if the syncs are the same it won't work...
[12:43] <danny_> sudo apt-cache search sun-java6-plugin = no result flaccid
[12:43] <flaccid> eagles0513875: yeah. its an annoying thing i deal with everyday :(
[12:43] <flaccid> !info sun-java6-plugin
[12:43] <flaccid> danny_: do you have multiverse enabled?
[12:43] <mattycoze> flaccid - i haven't got another monitor connected yet
[12:43] <kunim> bbiab
[12:43] <rajiv_nair> whenever a copy operation is being performed, my hardy system gets really slow. Happens with nautilus and konqueror. Any fixes?
[12:44] <flaccid> mattycoze: 2 options. do the search an replace like i said or i can do single monitor config for your
[12:44] <flaccid> you
[12:44] <danny_> yes i think so
[12:44] <danny_> how do i double check flaccid
[12:44] <mattycoze> flaccid do the single monitor config
[12:44] <mattycoze> plz.
[12:45] <flaccid> danny_: in adept - manage repositories. but because it didn't come up in the apt-cache you either didn't fetch updates or the repos is not enabled.
[12:45] <flaccid> mattycoze: ok mate give me 5
[12:46] <eagles0513875> flaccid: make sure u have libxine1-ffmpeg installed that could be the cause
[12:46] <danny_> flaccid on adept, i clic kedit software sources. and all the boxes are crossed(x). multiuniverse, main, universe and restricted.
[12:46] <flaccid> eagles0513875: nah its a shoutcast bug apparently. even though others claim its xine..
[12:46] <flaccid> danny_: fetch updates and then search in adept with string 'plugin' and see if sun java 6 plugin is there
[12:47] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u have any idea what back bone amarok 2 will be using
[12:47] <flaccid> eagles0513875: phonon
[12:47] <eagles0513875> !phonon
[12:47] <eagles0513875> !info phonon
[12:48] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what is it cuz i was having trouble with 2 where i ended up having to install jack to get any audio to come out of my speakers
[12:48] <danny_> flaccid - there is no java 6 plugin, but there is a "Sun Java 5.0 plugin"(which is greyed out) and a Java 1.4 plugin.
[12:49] <danny_> How do i search for updates?
[12:51] <flaccid> eagles0513875: no idea sorry. phonon is a sound system thats what it is
[12:51] <flaccid> danny_: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and also remind me of your release version
[12:52] <flaccid> mattycoze: nearly there
[12:52] <mattycoze> ok
[12:53] <somechap> hello room
[12:54] <danny_> flaccid - http://rafb.net/p/zpqmuJ24.html
[12:54] <danny_> Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy
[12:55] <eagles0513875> flaccid: later im at work
[12:55] <flaccid> mattycoze: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13471/ try this one please
[12:56] <godkas> Hello. Does anyone know how to find out what ac_nonexistent.h could be and what carbon.h and audiounit.h are bundled with
[12:56] <flaccid> danny_: if they are checked in adept then thats wrong. let me just make a correct sources.list for you
[12:56] <danny_> ok thanks mate!
[12:57] <mattycoze> kk hope this works; brb flaccid
[12:58] <eagles0513875> flaccid: where is grub located
[12:58] <eagles0513875> !grub
[13:01] <flaccid> danny_: replace your sources.list with http://rafb.net/p/tIShZO56.html and then do a sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[13:01] <danny_> replace the whole file with just that?
[13:02] <danny_> flaccid - replace the whole file with just that?
[13:02] <flaccid> danny_: yep
[13:02] <danny_> cool
[13:03] <danny_> working ... :_
[13:04] <ncomp>  hello, where to get the ncomputing Terminal software for ubuntu / Linux?
[13:05] <flaccid> danny_: that worked?
[13:05] <danny_> its still downloadng lol
[13:06] <flaccid> danny_: ok sweet as then
[13:06] <danny_> its on a language pack at the minute
[13:06] <flaccid> well sweet until its verified
[13:06] <danny_> its eating away at my hard drive space :P
[13:06] <mattycoze> flaccid; yeah i think it's working lol
[13:06] <flaccid> danny_: ya. that command will update your system before installing java
[13:06] <mattycoze> screen is the right size... looking good... some reason the pc thinks that the hardware is vesa
[13:06] <danny_> Ok
[13:07] <danny_> yeah its updating all the files
[13:07] <flaccid> mattycoze: why do you say that?
[13:07] <danny_> i know a bit of linux from having a ssh shell
[13:07] <mattycoze> flaccid it says so under system settings --> monitor and display --> hardware
[13:07] <danny_> ive decided to give linux aother go, i got annoyed last time as i couldnt get my wireless broadcom working.
[13:07] <mattycoze> flaccid though the driver i'm using is nvidia
[13:08] <danny_> but really thanks for your help flaccid
[13:08] <danny_> i must say lots of updates
[13:09] <flaccid> mattycoze: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log as they are once logged in with that config
[13:09] <mattycoze> okay brb
[13:09] <danny_> how old are you flaccid?
[13:09] <flaccid> danny_: sorry about that. but i couldn't help myself...
[13:09] <danny_> you seem like a complete expert
[13:09]  * flaccid is 26
[13:09] <danny_> hehe ok
[13:09] <danny_> from?
[13:09] <flaccid> lol no im a scrubber compared to some
[13:09]  * flaccid looks at Jucato
[13:09] <danny_> hehe
[13:09] <flaccid> im in sydney, australia
[13:10] <danny_> nice
[13:10] <flaccid> thanks for the compliment however..
[13:11] <danny_> im just happy im getting somewhere
[13:11] <danny_> i think i was here once before and was given no help at all
[13:11] <danny_> must be about a year ago now
[13:11] <flaccid> we have some really good helpers
[13:11] <Jucato> you might have come in at a dead time
[13:12] <flaccid> more are always welcome
[13:12] <danny_> possibily
[13:12] <Jucato> everyone here are volunteers, so we can only keep watch at our own free time... sucks.. but that's life :(
[13:12] <danny_> hehe the update is still running
[13:13] <erythrocyte> is anyone here having any boot-up slowdowns on kubuntu 8.04 LTS (32 bit) since installing recent updates?
[13:14] <mattycoze> flaccid; http://www.pastebin.org/37264 & http://www.pastebin.org/37265
[13:14] <danny_> am i right in beliving that the command is looking for updates for all my installed programs?
[13:15] <flaccid> danny_: pretty much. its a good idea to let it do the updates, then it will install java then restart firefox for you
[13:15] <Jucato> danny_: "sudo apt-get update" basically checks if there are stuff to update. "sudo apt-get upgrade" upgrades those that can be ugraded
[13:16] <Jucato> the last command he gave was to install java
[13:17] <danny_> nice
[13:18] <mattycoze> flaccid is it bad?
[13:18] <Jucato> erythrocyte: not that I've noticed. and btw, Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS
[13:18] <flaccid> one sec
[13:18] <Jucato> (but Ubuntu is)
[13:19] <Jucato> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[13:19] <flaccid> mattycoze: yeah its on vesa. which release are you on? just need to run restricted manager or hardware drivers manager and enable the restricted driver
[13:19] <fabian> hey
[13:19] <erythrocyte> jucato: Kubuntu actually comes in two flavors - LTS (KDE 3.5.9) and the KDE4 version
[13:19]  * Jucato is confused with the new xorg.conf...
[13:19] <fabian> i want to automount a truecrypt-volume, when my usb-device is attached
[13:20] <fabian> how can i do that?
[13:20] <Jucato> erythrocyte: neither are LTS
[13:20] <flaccid> Jucato: what is dapper sitting on kde version wise?
[13:20] <mattycoze> flaccid i'm on 8.04LTS, what i did was move to Kubuntu with synaptic the other day from the gnome environment
[13:20] <Jucato> flaccid: tbh, I can't recall :)
[13:20] <mattycoze> ... i figured it would be something different
[13:21] <erythrocyte> jucato: ok, i guess i wasn't aware of that :)
[13:21] <flaccid> yeah kubuntu is not lts. a decision made by canonical as kde is in dev transition.
[13:21] <Jucato> flaccid: KDE 3.5.2...
[13:21] <flaccid> thanks Jucato
[13:21] <mattycoze> lol oh okay, didn't know htat
[13:21] <erythrocyte> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800878
[13:21] <mattycoze> then i don't know
[13:21] <erythrocyte> i'm having a painfully slow boot :(
[13:22] <Jucato> flaccid: which is actually bull's droppings... hey, they shipped with Firefox 3 beta right? :)
[13:22] <Jucato> (and pulseaudio...)
[13:22] <mattycoze> Junkato yeah they did that
[13:22] <Jucato> trallalalal don't mind the ranting guy :)
[13:22] <mattycoze> and FF3b sucks :p
[13:22] <flaccid> hehe well its official from jr/canonical but yeah hehe
[13:23] <mattycoze> flaccid i'll restart with the newly installed restricted driver for my gx card
[13:23] <mattycoze> brb
[13:23] <flaccid> ok
[13:23] <Jucato> flaccid: yeah it's the "official reason", but the reasoning is flawed.. but I'm going offtopic hahaha
[13:23]  * Jucato censors himself
[13:23] <erythrocyte> jucato, flaccid: any ideas what could be causing my problem?
[13:24] <Jucato> erythrocyte: not really. sorry...
[13:24] <erythrocyte> jucato: np...thanks anyway
[13:24] <Jucato> right.. back to work... :)
[13:25] <flaccid> Jucato: i reckon is quite fair reason, but doesn't address the issues with legacy dapper being a current lts etc. but yeah /done.
[13:27] <erythrocyte> fabian: you the host of linux outlaws :) ? ..man i love your show
[13:27] <mattycoze> flaccid ahh no fair :( something reset itself and i am now at 800x600
[13:29] <jabba> mattycoze: that's failsafe.
[13:29] <flaccid> mattycoze: try changing resolutions in system settings now
[13:29] <fabian> erythrocyte: ???
[13:29] <flaccid> mattycoze: what does cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i nvidia return?
[13:29] <erythrocyte> fabian: :)
[13:30] <fabian> erythrocyte: do i have to understand that? :D
[13:30] <jabba> flaccid: grep expression file
[13:30] <erythrocyte> fabian: lol...never thought i'd bump into you on an IRC channel :) ...keep up the great work :)
[13:31] <flaccid> jabba: its piped
[13:31] <mattycoze> flaccid; yeah that's the max and it's still on that vesa card; flaccid; i've pasted these xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files; http://www.pastebin.org/37270 & http://www.pastebin.org/37271; that command returns 'nvidia'
[13:31] <jabba> flaccid: correct. it does not need to be.
[13:31] <flaccid> return is not part of the command sorry
[13:31]  * flaccid goes to look
[13:31] <mattycoze> lol i know.
[13:32] <jabba> flaccid: sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine. it used to be launching cat or cut or tr/sed used a lot of ram.
[13:32] <danny_> still going lol
[13:32] <fabian> erythrocyte: uuuuuuhm, maybe you mistake me for someone o.O
[13:32] <jabba> flaccid: but you can just say grep -i nvidia /var/log/...
[13:33] <flaccid> mattycoze: problem is with the monitor not the video driver
[13:33] <erythrocyte> fabian: oh... it's okay ... i thought you were fabian of http://linuxoutlaws.com/ ...they have a nice show btw :)
[13:33] <mattycoze> oh
[13:33] <flaccid> jabba: very good point. i'll do that now thanks!
[13:34] <flaccid> mattycoze: one sec. what resolution do you want. what monitor is it etc.?
[13:34] <mattycoze> hang on i'll have to check those specs...
[13:34] <jabba> flaccid: the other trick is grep -c to count matches instead of piping further to wc. so you'd say grep -c error /var/log/messages and it would tell you the number of matches. :)
[13:35] <jabba> sorry, i'll stop distracting
[13:35] <danny_> omg flaccid - sun-java6-plugin is not available
[13:36] <fabian> erythrocyte: :-D okay, that's not me... i already was suprised how i got famous so quickly ^^
[13:36] <Jucato> danny_: are you on 64-bit?
[13:36] <mattycoze> flaccid; screen res was 1280x800 but i don't know the screen model number - it's a laptop HP Compaq dv6000 WXGA
[13:37] <mattycoze> (the WXGA - i meant to say was the type of screen according to a review article)
[13:37] <flaccid> danny_: weird. d/l it manually from here and install it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/i386/sun-java6-plugin/download
[13:37] <flaccid> jabba: thanks thats cool
[13:37] <Jucato> flaccid: he's not on 64-bit?
[13:37] <flaccid> good point Jucato
[13:37] <erythrocyte> anyone: any help on my boot-up issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800878 ?
[13:38] <flaccid> danny_: are you in 32bit or a 64bit?
[13:38] <danny_> i am 64 bit
[13:38] <danny_> AMD 64
[13:38] <Jucato> that's the problem danny_
[13:38] <Jucato> java plugin isn't available for 64-bit
[13:38] <Jucato> just one of the perks of being "advanced"  :P
[13:39] <danny_> 64 bit OS?
[13:39] <RurouniJones> Yup
[13:39] <jussi01> !flash64
[13:39] <danny_> im not sure which Os i downloaded
[13:39] <RurouniJones> most of the closed source browser plugins are 32bit only
[13:39] <flaccid> danny_: try this one: http://www.pastebin.org/37272
[13:39] <mattycoze> flaccid is there a way to find out what specifically my screen is?
[13:40] <flaccid> danny_: i apologise that i didn't check that
[13:40] <flaccid> mattycoze: no real way i know
[13:40] <Jucato> danny_: it's not the OS, it's Java's fault
[13:40] <Jucato> just like there's not Flash for 64-bit.
[13:40] <danny_> hmm
[13:40] <mattycoze> mmm
[13:40] <Jucato> hmmmmm
[13:41] <danny_> what do i do with that link lol
[13:41] <jonorland> mattycoze: you can run xvidtune to see info about resolution etc.
[13:41] <Jucato> danny_: you can try reading the link jussi01 gave above about AMD64
[13:42] <danny_> ok will do
[13:42] <mattycoze> okay
[13:42] <mattycoze> i have no idea what to do with that
[13:43] <mattycoze> why can't the screen be a default?
[13:43] <mattycoze> i've never had to configure it before :/
[13:43] <flaccid> mattycoze: sorry this was meant for you: http://www.pastebin.org/37272
[13:44] <mattycoze> what do i do with it
[13:45] <flaccid> mattycoze: goto alt+f2 and type in: kdesudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then replace it with the above contents
[13:45] <bibstha> kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:46] <mattycoze> lol thx bibstha
[13:46] <flaccid> sorry on 10th beer atm
[13:46] <bibstha> np
[13:46] <bibstha> flaccid: oh, beer is for tomorrow champions league match, OT sorry
[13:47] <flaccid> haha
[13:47] <mattycoze> ok then.
[13:47] <mattycoze> and now?
[13:48] <flaccid> mattycoze: logout to the login screen then restart X server from dropdown and see how it goes
[13:48] <mattycoze> ok
[13:49] <flaccid> ah i found a mistake
[13:50] <erythrocyte> flaccid: can you help me out with my booting issue?
[13:50] <flaccid> man konqueror 4 seems buggy when run in kde3 with textareas
[13:50] <flaccid> whats the issue again sorry
[13:51] <erythrocyte> flaccid: kubuntu (kde 3.5.9) is extremely slow to boot ever since i installed some updates a couple of days ago
[13:51] <erythrocyte> it temporarily freezes at "reading files needed to boot" - for like 2 minutes
[13:52] <flaccid> erythrocyte: edit /boot/grub/menu.list and take out quite and splash options then see what its taking time on
[13:52] <erythrocyte> flaccid: i've attached some debug info here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800878
[13:52] <flaccid> k
[13:52] <erythrocyte> flaccid: yes i did that...but no use :(
[13:53] <flaccid> yep i see. /me looks further
[13:53] <erythrocyte> flaccid: thanks :)
[13:56] <flaccid> how old is system. is this slow behaviour new. it was after updates did you say?
[13:56] <erythrocyte> flaccid: well, my system is approx 4-5 years old ..but i've never had this slow behaviour before with hardy
[13:57] <erythrocyte> flaccid: this sluggishness started after some updates a couple of days ago
[13:57] <flaccid> i got no idea. i can't see anything as to what it could be
[13:58] <erythrocyte> flaccid: is there any extra info that i could provide that could help nail this?
[13:58] <flaccid> to be honest i don't know. there would be but outside of my skillset
[13:58] <erythrocyte> flaccid: ok, thanks anyway
[13:59] <flaccid> np
[13:59] <mattycoze> :<
[13:59] <flaccid> mattycoze: i found an error in the post..
[13:59] <mattycoze> yeah i think i experienced it
[13:59] <mattycoze> lol
[14:01] <flaccid> um my konqueror is stuffing up - lines are not visible in textareas. is this dual display mattycoze?
[14:02] <mattycoze> dual display? no my laptops got a screen and a 6-pin screen output
[14:03] <mattycoze> but i don't use it ever.
[14:03] <flaccid> ok
[14:04] <flaccid> i'll make this. but look over it and check resolution and driver etc. as im a little drunk
[14:04] <flaccid> one sec
[14:04] <mattycoze> oh...
[14:04] <purskalas> !envy
[14:04] <danny_> brb
[14:08] <flaccid> mattycoze: ok. try this one please: http://pastebin.ca/1023759
[14:09] <mattycoze> heh flaccid maybe i'm not the best person to check whether it'll be appropriate or not... do you reckon somebody else - more sober might be able to co-confirm?
[14:09] <mattycoze> but i really appreciate your help
[14:09] <mattycoze> intoxicated or not lol
[14:10] <flaccid> no worries
[14:11] <flaccid> perhaps i forgot to mention to backup the xorg.conf to a copy first sorry
[14:12] <mattycoze> ok
[14:12] <flaccid> i checked that one a lot however..
[14:13] <flaccid> the difference is because of the gui attempt at implementing the vga port..
[14:14] <flaccid> ie. failsafeDexconf
[14:16] <smeril> i am trying to configure evolution with hotmail i have done everything but i only have one question
[14:17] <smeril> how to i put in my password in evolution because it dosent give me an option to do that
[14:17] <smeril> smtp password
[14:22] <smeril> is there a reason for why i cant acces /etc/hosts.allow file
[14:22] <smeril> i get acces denied
[14:22] <smeril> i tryed with sudo
[14:23] <smeril> i have used the instructions from this guide http://www.ubuntugeek.com/send-and-receive-your-hotmail-messages-through-evolution.html
[14:24] <mattycoze> someone else able to help me with my display issue? :p soz flaccid
[14:27] <flaccid> mattycoze: what was the problem
[14:28] <mattycoze> it's all the same;
[14:30] <mattycoze> lol flaccid okay... i'm considering logging in a gnome session and running the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:31] <danny_> hey there
[14:31] <danny_> i need your help flaccid
[14:32] <danny_> i cannot boot windows now lol
[14:32] <danny_> and was lucky to get back into linux
[14:32] <danny_> on GRUB all the options have changed
[14:33] <flaccid> i gtg srry
[14:33] <danny_> wasit