[04:40] <barrydk> More almal
[05:25] <nlsthzn> moenie worry oor more nie, check vandag
[05:25] <nlsthzn> :p
[06:09] <magespawn> good morning
[06:43] <magespawn> hallo Kilos
[06:44] <Kilos> morning magespawn  and all others
[06:48] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:49] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:50]  * Kilos gotta sort konversation, doesnt show freenode, so no logs
[06:51] <Kilos> haha, while helping a guy add channels yesterday i somehow managed to type in the wrong place so now i see
[06:51] <Kilos> where it says auto join instead of freenode
[06:52] <Kilos> wbb
[06:54] <Kilos> thats better
[06:57] <inetpro> Kilos: you talking greek again this morning?
[06:58] <Kilos> ai!
[06:58] <Kilos> you know the channel panel on konversation
[06:58] <inetpro> no
[06:59] <Kilos> oh i set konversation to show channels on the left like xchat
[06:59] <Kilos> the channels im in that is
[06:59] <Kilos> verstaan jy nou boetie
[06:59] <inetpro> no
[07:00] <Kilos> ai!
[07:00] <Kilos> who is the one with a sore head
[07:00]  * inetpro tries to figure what all this has to do with everyone else and where the logs come into the picture
[07:01] <Kilos> wait
[07:05] <magespawn> lol
[07:05] <Kilos> oh my cant even find where screenshot went
[07:07] <magespawn> does it not default to the pictures folder?
[07:07] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/upload.php
[07:07] <Squirm> Morning
[07:07] <Kilos> it wasnt called screenshot
[07:08] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:08] <Kilos> hey used to saved as screenshots now they tb2.png etc
[07:09] <magespawn> that is a bit strange
[07:09] <Kilos> magespawn  can you see a panel on the left
[07:09] <magespawn> did you change the naming sequence?
[07:09] <magespawn> let me go look
[07:10] <Kilos> oh you need this
[07:10] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/TB2-5BdWcZqP.png
[07:10] <Kilos> sorry
[07:11] <magespawn> hmm might help
[07:11] <magespawn> okay yes
[07:12] <magespawn> the one showing the channels etc
[07:13] <Kilos> ok  please explain to goosie that where it now sayd freenode it had "where you see add"
[07:13] <Kilos> where you see auto join
[07:14]  * inetpro getting even more confused
[07:14] <magespawn> i do not see why that would be though, maybe just left over from yesterday
[07:14] <magespawn> i do not use konvseration myself
[07:15] <Kilos> so while looking what to do to explain to the other fellow instead of typing here it typed in "where you see auto join" where it should show freenode
[07:15] <Kilos> nm its fixed
[07:15] <Kilos> much ado about nothing
[07:15] <magespawn> maybe that view you can change to show what you want
[07:16] <Kilos> yes you can add in what you want to call the network
[07:16] <Kilos> so basically i renamed freenode to "where you see auto join"
[07:17] <inetpro> ai!
[07:17] <Kilos> lol
[07:17] <magespawn> okay then, bit of a strange name
[07:18] <Kilos> man i was trying to explain to a guy where to add channels but forgot to close a little window before typing
[07:18] <inetpro> and the story about the logs?
[07:18] <magespawn> no worries
[07:19] <Kilos> so not being in freenode anymore meant all scroll backs didnt show
[07:19] <Kilos> sorry not logs
[07:22] <inetpro> so then it was not just renamed after all
[07:23] <Kilos> ai! maybe i must go back to bed
[07:27] <inetpro> Kilos: what I fail to understand is how you came to be in this channel while you see all these wackadoodle behaviours
[07:28] <Kilos> the other channels still showed fine but with no scroll backs, as in with a new install or opening of an extra channel
[07:29] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:30] <Kilos> murphy is trying to show me i can break kde if i do stupid things
[07:36] <magespawn> stupid is sometimes defined as something that was not forseen
[07:36] <Kilos> lol
[08:08] <pieter2627> morning all
[08:14] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[08:15] <Kilos> you can see the info for sfd at https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs/97-software-freedom-day-2015
[08:37] <pieter2627> ok, ty Kilos
[08:37] <Kilos> np
[08:38] <Kilos> pro said tick the sfd start guide
[08:41] <pieter2627> oh, clicked previous event and recognized and old face :P
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:03] <Kilos> i think grembalso wanted to get involved but he isnt on trello so maybe you can get him up to date with the links please
[09:03] <Kilos> if and when he logs in
[09:05] <pieter2627> ok, i currently just skimmed through them - plan on reading them full tonight
[09:05] <Kilos> cool
[09:11] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[09:14] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[09:15] <arnaudmez> what are the news here ?
[09:16] <Kilos> very quiet here , and there?
[09:16] <arnaudmez> Super cool
[09:16] <arnaudmez> beating the ground since early today
[09:16] <Kilos> why?
[09:17] <arnaudmez> Just for fun
[09:17] <Kilos> lol
[09:17] <Kilos> we beat the drums
[09:17] <arnaudmez> What's on Kubuntu planet ?
[09:18] <Kilos> ?
[09:18] <Kilos> i think someone spoke about a post there
[09:19] <arnaudmez> I use Empathy to connect to IRC so i can't see older msg
[09:19] <Kilos> eish
[09:20] <Kilos> use an irc client for irc
[09:20] <andrewlsd> hi.
[09:20] <Kilos> quassel konversation hexchat
[09:20]  * andrewlsd lurks
[09:20] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[09:20] <arnaudmez> Like polari ?
[09:20] <Kilos> never heard of polari
[09:23] <arnaudmez> Oh i See ... u use Xchat right ?
[09:23] <Kilos> used to now i use konversation
[09:24] <arnaudmez> Okay I see
[09:24] <arnaudmez> totally forgot that u like dragons
[09:25] <Kilos> lol
[09:58] <Kilos> ai!
[10:13] <magespawn> and now?
[10:14] <Kilos> stupid again
[10:14] <Kilos> twit place mixes me up with the pm thing
[10:14] <Kilos> so i tweet my cell number from @ubuntuza
[10:16] <magespawn> who did you send it to?
[10:16] <magespawn> everyone?
[10:16] <Kilos> TelkomZA
[10:17] <Kilos> they gotta come speed up my tower but always want so much info first
[10:17] <magespawn> why tweet it from ubuntuza though?
[10:18] <Kilos> lol stupid as usual
[10:19] <Kilos> i got a mail from twitter telling me there was a new pm so i clicked the link and it opened the wrong browser
[10:19] <Kilos> chrome does ubuntuza and opera does sharpeys
[10:20] <Kilos> and after a week of all links opening in opera today it decided to open from chrome
[10:20] <Kilos> grrr
[10:20] <Kilos> too much stuff all over
[10:21] <MaNI> isolate seperate roles into seperate kvm machines :P
[10:21] <magespawn> or just change the accounts frist
[10:22] <Kilos> i used to use choqok i think it was but i made messups with that too
[10:22] <andrewlsd> I also do the separate browser thing
[10:22] <Kilos> better to remove chrome
[10:22] <Kilos> yay thats good to hear andrewlsd
[10:23] <Kilos> i dunno why chrome decided to take over from links in email today
[10:23] <Kilos> links from here all open in opera
[10:23] <Kilos> grrr
[10:24] <Kilos> lol telkom gonna wonder what is going on now
[10:24] <Kilos> haha
[10:26] <Kilos> oh my i chased them
[10:27]  * pieter2627 rofl
[10:37] <Kilos> captine how come youre an AndChat-453921  ?
[10:53] <magespaw1> back again
[10:53] <Kilos> yay
[10:53] <Kilos> you okes loadshedding?
[10:53] <magespaw1> no just a loose cable
[10:53] <Kilos> ai!
[10:54] <Kilos> you pulled andrews cable too same time
[10:55] <magespaw1> brb
[10:55] <Kilos> ok
[10:55] <magespawn> better
[10:55] <Kilos> ya
[10:56] <Kilos> you fixed your paw
[10:56] <magespawn> indeed
[12:26] <magespawn> Kilos pm
[12:39] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:51] <pieter2627> has anyone ever had an issue with dual monitors where one is dead to mouse input/clicks
[13:12] <superfly> nope
[14:03] <pieter2627> wow, a locked screen seemed to fix it
[14:03] <Kilos> good
[14:06] <pieter2627> yea, it was hard to use the keyboard to move around on it
[14:10] <magespawn> pieter2627: your seconde screen was not responding to your mouse/
[14:10] <magespawn> ?
[14:10] <pieter2627> first screen
[14:11] <magespawn> strange
[14:11] <magespawn> how do you use yours? extended or duplicate?
[14:11] <pieter2627> i think i remember it happening awhile ago, but am not quite sure
[14:11] <pieter2627> extended
[14:12] <magespawn> i like mine that way too, espcially on my netbook
[14:13] <pieter2627> same here, don't see the point of dup in most scenarios
[14:13] <magespawn> fun factoid of the day: the laser part of a laser printer is in fact a high power halogon globe
[14:20] <Kilos> ai! more to add to twitplace https://twitter.com/hellotelkom
[14:21] <Kilos> lol they dint like me complaining where everyone can see
[14:42] <magespawn> Kilos only 35 more photos to go
[14:43] <Kilos> well done magespawn
[14:53] <magespawn> 10 and counting
[15:00] <magespawn> right that is me done, home time, chat later all
[15:01] <Kilos> later
[15:38] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  sorry been kinda slack today
[15:54] <nlsthzn> ?
[16:00] <Kilos> i didnt greet earlier
[16:00] <Kilos> i gotta reboot
[16:00] <Kilos> wbb
[16:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:20] <nlsthzn> wb :p
[16:21] <Kilos> ty, got a funny red popup attempt to break in was all i read before it was gone
[16:23] <nlsthzn> ?
[16:23] <Kilos> weird, i dont know whats installed to give notifications of attemped break ins
[16:27] <Kilos> peeps must attack servers not me
[16:27] <Kilos> http://serverfault.com/questions/244614/is-it-normal-to-get-hundreds-of-break-in-attempts-per-day
[16:27] <Kilos> im innocent
[16:35] <nlsthzn> was it perhaps a browser pop-up
[16:35] <nlsthzn> ?
[16:35] <Kilos> lol i dunno
[16:35] <Kilos> just upgraded my firewall
[16:36] <nlsthzn> what firewall?
[16:36] <nlsthzn> ufw?
[16:36] <Kilos> now wanna see what ports are open
[16:36] <Kilos> gufw
[16:36] <nlsthzn> that just the gui for ufw
[16:36] <Kilos> i like to see things
[16:36] <nlsthzn> afaik it doesn't give info like that
[16:37] <Kilos> ya all i do is alloow outgoing and disallow all incoming
[16:37] <Kilos> dont know how to do more
[16:47] <nlsthzn> all that is needed
[16:47] <Kilos> good ty
[18:14] <gremble> o/
[18:30] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:30] <Kilos> you still up to helping with sfd?
[18:31] <Kilos> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide
[18:37] <gremble> I'll help. I am certainly not up for organising the event though
[18:37] <gremble> So that startguide is someone else's baby
[18:38] <Kilos> kmf does it i think he just wants volunteers
[18:38] <Kilos> to help
[18:38] <Kilos> inetpro  feel free to jump in
[18:39] <Kilos> i have no idea what karl needs
[18:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <inetpro> uh
[19:00] <inetpro> good evening


[08:42] <mattuk1972> morning all - what room are you guys working in?
[09:01] <bac> gary_poster, dang i just missed matt's message above when i was out looking for him
[09:01] <gary_poster> bac, darn me too
[09:01] <gary_poster> bac power is pack
[09:01] <gary_poster> back
[09:10] <bac> hi mattuk1972
[09:10] <mattuk1972> bac: hi
[09:12] <bac> mattuk1972, we are in a room at B5, second door on the right.  it is next to the B5/M3 room
[09:12] <mattuk1972> bac: cool ill come find you in a bit
[09:12] <bac> ok


[03:18] <pipop> anyone here familiar with dual boot in Vista?
[03:18] <ion_> I’m not quite sure how that’s relevant to the development of Ubuntu.
[03:19] <pipop> oh, sorry
[04:46] <bliZZardz> pitti: hi..you around?
[04:47] <bliZZardz> pitti : apparently just realized that python has an interface(as in inbuilt module) to dbus by which handles to various events can be obtained - this is glorious!
[08:37] <orbisvicis> any reasons for packaging cdemu ?
[12:53] <maxb> mercurial in hardy-backports is currently not installable because the arch-any mercurial package has been placed into the archive but the depended-upon arch-all mercurial-common package is missing
[12:55] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mercurial/1.0.1-2~hardy1 shows the i386 build as "Successfully built  (NEW)" rather than "Successfully built  (DONE)"
[12:55] <maxb> What is the correct place to report this?
[13:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: ^
[13:03] <cjwatson> maxb: yes, that sort of thing happens sometimes when new packages are added - they need explicit archive admin approval to get into the archive. I've processed it now, thanks.
[13:03] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: jdong can't do anything about that
[13:03] <Hobbsee> oh, i'ts an archive admin job.
[13:04] <cjwatson> maxb: (may be an hour or two before the results of my action are visible)
[13:06] <maxb> cjwatson: Ah, thanks. I didn't think of it being "NEW" in that sense. But now I realize it is new to hardy, so it all makes sense. Do you think it's worth adding a note to the UbuntuBackports wiki page suggesting people check for this issue and note the need for the NEW-acceptance in the backport bug?
[13:07] <cjwatson> no, not particularly, it's a routine part of archive admin and not something backporters should need to worry about
[13:07] <maxb> ok
[13:07] <cjwatson> besides, it takes some time between archive admin processing the backport request itself (and hence the bug) and the binaries appearing for processing
[13:07] <cjwatson> so the bug wouldn't be a very good place for it anyway
[13:08] <cjwatson> I've processed the rest of the archive *-backports queues while I was at it
[13:09]  * ogra sighs ...
[13:09] <ogra> so if i want proper progress output from dd i have to send a USR1 signal regulary to it ...
[13:10] <laga> i read "dd i" as "d-i" and hoped you were working on that LTSP script ;)
[13:11] <ogra> thats doable by using a shell wrapper around my python gui that execs "watch -n1 -- pkill -USR1 ^dd$" before pening the gui and kills the watch after the gui is closed ...
[13:11] <ogra> anyone have a more elegant solution ?
[13:11] <ogra> *opening
[13:12] <laga> cjwatson: thanks for taking care of mercurial, i've had someone report this problem in the mythbuntu forums
[13:15] <laga> ogra: why don't you use python to send the signal?
[13:16] <ogra> laga, i'm not in my masochistic phase atm :) working on the LTSP udeb somewhat requires you to want to beat up yourself before starting :)
[13:16] <laga> oh, really. :)
[13:16] <ogra> laga, i thought about a gtk timeout or so, but thats still massively ugly
[13:17] <ogra> (and essentially the same)
[13:18] <ogra> though what bothers me is less the pinging in a certain frequency, but that it will affect all dd's that are currnently running
[13:19] <ogra> hmm
[13:19] <laga> well, did you spawn dd?
[13:19] <stgraber> ogra: if you start it with subprocess or something similar you can get the pid
[13:19] <stgraber> and then send the signal to that pid
[13:19] <ogra> i need its output, so i use subprocess.Popen
[13:19] <laga> it'd be surprised if you can't get the pid with that. or send signal
[13:19] <laga> s
[13:20] <ogra> you can get the pid ... but in a blocking way afaik ... i.e. after it finished
[13:20] <ogra> i would need it in advance, establish the pinger and *then* run dd
[13:21]  * laga goes to look at python docs
[13:21] <laga> anything is better than studying. ;)
[13:22] <stgraber> laga: :)
[13:22] <ogra> heh
[13:22] <stgraber> well, you are actually studying but probably not what you were supposed to study
[13:23] <laga> kinda, yes. python won't help me with phonetics. :)
[13:24] <laga> the subprocess docs are surprisingly unhelpful :)
[13:27] <bdrung_> cjwatson: Bug #37750 should be an duplicate of Bug #47238 and not the other way round. Do you agree?
[13:28] <laga> ogra: well, "kill" in the os module might work..
[13:29] <cjwatson> bdrung: why do you feel that the direction matters?
[13:30] <ogra> there is some module to use procps i think, i'll look into that
[13:30] <cjwatson> bdrung: and no, I don't agree anyway
[13:31] <laga> ogra: also, os.process can return the PID, but subprocess can probably do the same
[13:31] <bdrung> the bug is that you cannot set the hardware clock to UTC or local time while installing. correct?
[13:31] <cjwatson> yes
[13:32] <bdrung> so it is a feature request to add an option to do it.
[13:32] <cjwatson> some bugs are resolved by adding features
[13:32] <cjwatson> in this case I regard it as a bug that the feature is not present
[13:33] <cjwatson> in any case, why would that make the direction of duplication important?
[13:33] <cjwatson> if you don't like the state of 37750, change it, rather than generating lots of confusing mail for little value by switching the duplication around
[13:34] <bdrung> ok, thats an argument
[13:34] <bdrung> is there someone working on this bug?
[13:34] <cjwatson> not at present
[13:38] <bdrung> adding a checkbox is no big work, so someone should do it. have a look at bug #239782.
[13:40] <cjwatson> bdrung: thank you for your recommendation, but please bear in mind that we have many many things to do
[13:40] <cjwatson> the checkbox itself is not difficult but it comes with a requirement to test all the stuff behind it, which is actually rather complex and fragile
[13:41] <cjwatson> if you feel you can tackle it, then you're welcome to send a patch and we'll review it
[13:42] <bdrung> cjwatson: i know. if i had more time, i would have a look at it.
[13:42] <cjwatson> goes for so many things :)
[13:42] <bdrung> yes. :)
[13:43] <bdrung> my list with things i want to do is very long.
[13:43] <cjwatson> bear that in mind next time you ask why something hasn't been done ;-)
[13:45] <bdrung> if it's not done then it is your fault. i you have no time you have to recruit someone to do it. ;)
[13:46] <cjwatson> thank you for your kind remarks
[13:46] <cjwatson> they are, however, not terribly helpful
[13:46] <bdrung> this is why i add a smiley
[13:46] <cjwatson> that's not generally much of an excuse
[13:46] <cjwatson> "I was only joking"
[13:48] <laga> "stop bleeding now, please"
[13:52] <ogra> laga, stgraber https://launchpad.net/usb-imagewriter btw ...
[13:55] <stgraber> ogra: so that's a GUI for dd if=blah.img of=/dev/sdX ? Looks really good
[13:55] <laga> ogra: can't you simulate dd's functionality in python?
[13:55] <ogra> yeah, i was actually expecting it to be a lot more trivial than that bloat it became :)
[13:56] <laga> open image, open device node, copy 512 byte chunks?
[13:56] <ogra> laga, there are several options, yes, but none gives me any info about the current amount of copied data without really heavy hacking
[13:56] <laga> well, count the 512byte chunks? ;)
[13:57] <ogra> i would need to parse the stream throuh anything ... dd is reliable and proven ... so i decided to keep it as backend
[13:57] <cjwatson> same reason ubiquity doesn't just call cp -a ...
[13:57] <ogra> the only thing bothering me is the missing progress output ...
[13:57] <ogra> i tried sdd since that has such an option, but thats not much help either
[13:58] <ogra> (it drops dots on stderr for every written block
[13:59] <ogra> (but does that in one single line which is hard to parse at runtime)
[14:01] <laga> is it? can't you just get single bytes from stdin instead of reading the whole line?
[14:02] <cjwatson> I was going to say, what's wrong with .read(1)
[14:02] <laga> most of the programming i've done in the last three months has been in java, so i'm probably spoiled.
[14:02] <cjwatson> stderr is usually unbuffered
[14:02] <ogra> hmm
[19:55] <tgm4883_laptop> I'm looking at having more options during install for partitioning (more than just guided and manual).  I've tried adding custom recipes in the recipes folder as well as preseeding them, but neither way makes them show up in ubiquity during partitioning.  Could someone at least point me in the right direction?
[19:56] <laga> cjwatson: ^^ aren't you the ubiquity guy?
[20:13] <ogra> laga, evand is
[20:17] <emgent> hello there
[20:20] <ogra> emgent, hey, something to promote for the netbookers ... https://launchpad.net/usb-imagewriter it needs translators and code contributions (TODO included) :) a package sits in the intrepid NEW queue
[20:20] <ogra> (there are screenshots linked from the LP site)
[20:23] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: you need to bother evand ;)
[20:23] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, will do, thanks
[20:24] <emgent> ok nice ogra
[20:25] <emgent> ogra: py+GTK ?
[20:25] <ogra> and glade, yes
[20:25] <laga> ogra: how did you solve the progress bar
[20:26] <emgent> ok nice
[20:26] <ogra> some shell that should be replaced by python
[20:26] <laga> yuck :)
[20:26] <ogra> laga, nope, i wrapped a shellscript around it for now so it works for a start ....
[20:26] <laga> yeah, still yuck. ;)
[20:27] <ogra> its one of my hit and run projects that i do for fun ... i have many of these that only last a weekend and produce proof of concept code for others to enhance ;)
[20:27] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LightBrowser/ or http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/MightyMailApp are such things :)
[20:28] <laga> ogra: nice that you pushed it into intrepid then.
[20:28] <ogra> well, it does the job
[20:28] <laga> and thanks for the ltsp-build-client progress bar we stole ;)
[20:28] <ogra> heh
[20:28] <ogra> feel free :)
[20:30] <ogra> but unlike the two others above i want the usb-imagebuilder to actually be used ... having to tell people who want to install a netbook or mobile device to use dd in a console just feels odd :)
[20:30] <ogra> hese are typically endusers and should get a gui for the task
[20:30] <ogra> *these
[21:36] <bigon> rmadison libtotem-plparser10
[21:36] <bigon> libtotem-plparser10 | 2.22.2-0ubuntu1 |         hardy | amd64, i386
[21:36] <bigon> libtotem-plparser10 | 2.22.3-0ubuntu1 |      intrepid | amd64, i386
[21:36] <bigon> libtotem-plparser10 | 2.22.3-0ubuntu2 | hardy-updates | amd64, i386
[21:37] <bigon> the version in hardy-update is greater than the version in intrepid
[21:42] <Nafallo> indeed
[21:43] <geser> I guess it gets fixed when totem get updated to 2.23.x
[21:47] <bigon> oh right
[21:47] <bigon> btw brasero needs a rebuilt
[22:46] <lool> bigon: This happens commonly; some new upstream releases of GNOME updates are first pushed to hardy-updates while we directly jump to the dev release for intrepid


[03:54] <qwebirc57341> i'm getting a error anytime i do anything in the control console.  it says Exception in compareState of plugin MySQL
[04:02] <qwebirc57341> anyone have any ideas that might help with this error?
[14:03] <qwebirc56516> i reloaded mythbuntu one more time last night.  i did all of the updates, and i bought a brand new mce remote and usb ir reciever.  still cant get the remote to work
[14:03] <qwebirc56516> it sees the reciever in lsusb
[14:04] <qwebirc56516> but if i restart lirc i get the following error
[14:04] <qwebirc56516> find: `/sys/class/rc/*/': No such file or directory  * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC                               [ OK ]   * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ]  find: `/sys/class/rc/*/': No such file or directory  * Starting remote control daemon(s) :                                   [ OK ]
[14:04] <qwebirc56516> anyone able to help me with this?
[14:21] <qwebirc56516> can someone please help me with my remote.  i have bought 3 different ones now based on recomendations i recieved from this chat room and i cant seem to get them to work
[14:21] <qwebirc56516> I just want my remote to work
[14:32] <qwebirc56516> anyone?
[14:51] <qwebirc56516> kwisher you were helping me the other day on my remote.  feel like a challenge?
[14:52] <Kwisher> why?
[14:53] <qwebirc56516> Myy remotes hate me.  i bought another new remote i saw a lot of other people said worked good but even that one doesnt work
[14:53] <qwebirc56516> on my third remote and havent got any of them to work
[14:54] <Kwisher> got a link to the latest one?
[14:55] <qwebirc56516> yep http://www.frys.com/product/5390958?source=google&gclid=COv4_9bpnL8CFeIWMgodbz0AVg
[14:57] <Kwisher> same results as the last one? no light response from the remote to the receiver?
[14:57] <qwebirc56516> yep
[14:57] <qwebirc56516> i dont know if this helps i have spent a lot of time googleing this week,  when i do a lirc restart i get the following error
[14:58] <qwebirc56516> find: `/sys/class/rc/*/': No such file or directory  * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC                               [ OK ]   * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ]  find: `/sys/class/rc/*/': No such file or directory  * Starting remote control daemon(s) :                                   [ OK ]
[14:58] <qwebirc56516> find: `/sys/class/rc/*/': No such file or directory  * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC                               [ OK ]   * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ]  find: `/sys/class/rc/*/': No such file or directory  * Starting remote control daemon(s) :                                   [ OK ]
[14:58] <Kwisher> with the new remote, did you try it from a live boot?
[14:59] <qwebirc56516> i did
[14:59] <qwebirc56516> same thing
[15:00] <qwebirc56516> does it mean anything that it cant find that file?
[15:00] <qwebirc56516> if i do a lsusb it sees it
[15:01] <Kwisher> i've never had remote issues and i've been using mythtv for over 5 years
[15:02] <Kwisher> linux mint 5 was my first myth install and the same remote is still working today
[15:02] <qwebirc56516> im going on 2 weeks with it, i really like it but the remote issue is killing me.  I completely reloaded mythbuntu last night again as one of the suggestions i got googleing messed up my system and i couldnt get it to boot
[15:03] <Kwisher> do you have another linux system to test with?
[15:04] <Kwisher> or at least live boot on?
[15:05] <Kwisher> even a laptop would work
[15:05] <qwebirc56516> i can do it on my laptop give me a couple minutes to get ity going
[15:18] <Kwisher> you can also try xbmc live to test with - http://xbmc.org/download/
[15:18] <Kwisher> choose the XBMCbuntu option
[15:21] <qwebirc56516> it does the same thing on the laptop.  one flash with first press on remote then nothing
[15:21] <qwebirc56516> they all work in my windows media center
[15:23] <qwebirc56516> it seems like something is missing in this version of mythbuntu
[15:23] <Kwisher> and you did the setup also?
[15:23] <qwebirc56516> yyyep i did
[15:27] <qwebirc56516> does that file its missing mean anything
[15:30] <qwebirc56516> any ideas?
[15:33] <Kwisher> you have fully updated your install?
[15:33] <qwebirc56516> i did every update i could
[15:33] <Kwisher> does mythbuntu have synaptic installed?
[15:40] <Kwisher> i'm downloading mythbuntu 14.04 now to test with my spare remote
[15:48] <qwebirc56516> ok i am downloading xbmc also to test with
[15:50] <Kwisher> how are you connected to this irc channel?
[15:50] <qwebirc56516> What do you mean
[15:51] <Kwisher> what pc and irc client?
[15:51] <Kwisher> did you choose your irc nic?
[15:52] <qwebirc56516> it's just a pc from microcenter they built, i choose windows media center remote in the control console
[15:53] <qwebirc56516> its a older pc i have had for several years.  i used to use it for a sbs server until we moved
[15:56] <Kwisher> my old spare remote is responding correctly on mythbuntu live boot
[15:57] <qwebirc56516> i dont know why they wouldnt work on my pc and a laptop.  ive tried 3 different ones?
[15:58] <qwebirc56516> and they all work under windows media center
[15:59] <Kwisher> did you check the mythbuntu iso after you d/l?
[16:00] <qwebirc56516> i burned it to a cd ok but thats all i did i didnt do any checks on it
[16:00] <qwebirc56516> is there a way to reinstall lirc using defaults?
[16:00] <Kwisher> you should check the md5sum of the file from where you d/l
[16:01] <Kwisher> from a term do: sudo apt-get purge lirc*
[16:03] <Kwisher> my remote also works with xbmc live
[16:03] <qwebirc56516> ok that seems to have removed it.  md5sum seems ok
[16:04] <qwebirc56516> now how do i reinstall lirc
[16:04] <Kwisher> now do: sudo apt-get purge mythbuntu-lirc-generator*
[16:06] <Kwisher> after that you need to do: sudo apt-get install lirc mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[16:07] <Kwisher> then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:09] <qwebirc56516> ok it running
[16:10] <qwebirc56516> i mean downloading remote haevnt tried yet
[16:10] <qwebirc56516> ok it finished now what do i reboot?
[16:15] <Kwisher> did the last command do any updates/upgrades?
[16:16] <qwebirc56516> it did some
[16:16] <qwebirc56516> 259mb download it said
[16:16] <Kwisher> go ahead and reboot
[16:18] <qwebirc56516> i restarted and still have no remote
[16:18] <qwebirc56516> do you get a file error if you restart lirc?
[16:18] <qwebirc56516> i still do saying its missing a file
[16:19] <qwebirc56516> maybe it doesnt mean anything
[16:21] <Kwisher> how are you restarting lirc?
[16:22] <qwebirc56516> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[16:24] <Kwisher> i get no errors on mine
[16:26] <Kwisher> in the control center/ir setup, what do you have for the settings?
[16:28] <Kwisher> would you mind installing teamviewer on your myth system so i can remote in?
[16:28] <qwebirc56516> not at all juyst tell me what i need to do to install it
[16:29] <Kwisher> is your install 32 or 64 bit?
[16:29] <qwebirc56516> 64bit
[16:31] <Kwisher> google for teamviewer and download the ubuntu 32/64 bit multiarch file
[16:31] <Kwisher> did you try the xbmc live yet?
[16:36] <qwebirc56516> its installing almost done.  i am making a dvd with xbmc
[16:36] <Kwisher> you need to use usb sticks for live testing
[16:37] <Kwisher> or rewritable optical discs
[16:37] <qwebirc56516> teamviewer id 515 761 234
[16:37] <qwebirc56516> password 1988
[16:40] <Kwisher> i'm at a loss
[16:44] <Kwisher> password please
[16:45] <qwebirc56516> ok i put it in
[16:56] <Kwisher> what did you select before here in term?
[16:56] <qwebirc56516> windows media center
[17:12] <Kwisher> on my system there is a rc0 folder with other files/folders
[17:12] <Kwisher> something is hosed on your system
[17:13] <Kwisher> i cannot write to it either, even as root, just as on yours
[17:13] <qwebirc56516> does service have to be stopped
[17:14] <qwebirc56516> so much for that idea
[17:15] <Kwisher> must be some sort of system area ???
[17:15] <qwebirc56516> should i reload?
[17:15] <Kwisher> on mine there is: device  input4  lirc0  power  protocols  subsystem  uevent
[17:16] <Kwisher> yours does not exist for some reason
[17:18] <qwebirc56516> is it some kind of secirty issue on the folder?  is there a way (for lack of a better term to force it to take ownership?
[17:18] <Kwisher> same as mine root
[17:29] <Kwisher> when you installed, did you do a custom partition or use the default?
[17:29] <qwebirc56516> i used the default and chose to delete previous install and reninstall new
[17:31] <Kwisher> my only suggestion would be to install xubuntu 14.04 and then add mythtv after the install
[17:31] <qwebirc56516> i have another hard drive i can install in the computer and reload it, i'm getting really good at the reloads
[17:31] <Kwisher> but make sure to delete all partitions and start on a bare drive
[17:31] <qwebirc56516> i can probably do that i think i know how to install mythtv on it after umbuntu
[17:32] <Kwisher> you would just need to install mythbuntu-control-centre and go through the setup
[17:32] <qwebirc56516> thank you so much for the help at least it seems to be getting somewhere and i'm not going crazy
[17:33] <Kwisher> can you try the xbmc live on your laptop first to check the remote hardware?
[17:33] <Kwisher> unplug the receiver from the myth box
[17:34] <qwebirc56516> i unplugged it
[17:34] <Kwisher> plug it back in
[17:35] <qwebirc56516> done
[17:35] <Kwisher> ok try xbmc live to check the remote hardware
[17:36] <Kwisher> should work right away without any configuration
[17:36] <qwebirc56516> ok i will do so i will have to kick you off the box you are on i am using laptop for the chat room
[17:40] <Kwisher> well, i'm stumped
[17:41] <Kwisher> unless your hardware is not actually supported??
[17:41] <qwebirc56516> i am going to reload it after i test with xbmc
[17:41] <Kwisher> test with xbmc
[17:42] <Kwisher> test with xbmc on both pc's
[17:42] <qwebirc56516> couple question i will have when i tried umbuntu and then mythtv the first time everytime i restarted it asked for a passowrd before going into it
[17:42] <Kwisher> need to verify the hardware actually works with linux
[17:42] <qwebirc56516> like i had to login
[17:42] <qwebirc56516> will do i will test and let you know
[17:43] <Kwisher> yes, that is normal
[17:43] <Kwisher> when i start the myth-backend setup i have to enter password
[17:44] <Kwisher> anything you do on linux that requires system changes should require the admin password
[17:45] <Kwisher> first thing is to make sure the remote hardware works


[00:15] <micahg> I'd advise against Chromium by default until the security support is properly worked out
[00:17] <micahg> Len-nb: I've seen a similar bug fixed already, do you have an Ubuntu bug filed with reproducer?
[00:23] <Len-nb> micahg, Bug? I am wondering If I mentioned a bug. I was reading the notes on the UDS schedule and commenting about some things. One of the things was that of replacing FF with chromium in vanilla
[00:23] <Len-nb> if I'm not mistaken
[00:23] <micahg> [17:57] <Len-nb> I have a long standing bug with FF where it gets local dates wrong in some JS files.
[00:24] <micahg> oh, ubuntu's planning the replacement, we'll considering they still can't get Chromium updates out in a reasonable time frame, they have the same hurdle they had 3 years ago when the same thing was proposed
[00:24] <micahg> s/we'll/well/
[00:24] <kubotu> micahg meant: "oh, ubuntu's planning the replacement, well considering they still can't get Chromium updates out in a reasonable time frame, they have the same hurdle they had 3 years ago when the same thing was proposed"
[00:25] <Len-nb> Ah, that one. I can check if it is still there. I am not as active in the forum that it showed in as I was.
[00:28] <Len-nb> If the FF bug was fixed in the 13.04 iso plus updates then it is still there
[00:29] <Len-nb> In all other browsers the dates are correct, but in FF the year is right, but the month is the year and the day is the month.
[00:30] <Len-nb> this seems to be a java script problem of some sort.
[00:30] <Len-nb> They try to take their system time and correct to mine with a bit of JS
[00:31] <Len-nb> I am assuming they don't convert the year.
[00:32]  * Len-nb wanders off to eat
[00:34] <micahg> Len-nb: ISTR discussing this with you or someone else before
[01:13] <zequence> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZiFZ49owK4
[01:14] <zequence> Someone does a video review on 13.04 Beta 1
[01:18] <zequence> That guy clearly doesn't do audio much
[01:19] <zequence> He tries to open a jack app, which requires jack to be running in order for it to open
[01:19] <zequence> ..which, one would expect to work even so
[01:19] <zequence> At least, one would expect to get a error message about jack not running
[01:20] <zequence> A new user simply makes the conclusing that this app isn't working
[01:21] <zequence> That's something we could try implement upstream actually
[01:21] <zequence> Or, try to get people to implement upstream, unless someone of us would like to add some code themselves :)
[01:28] <zequence> I added a workitem for it. At the very least, we could add wrapper scripts for those applications
[01:34] <zequence> btw, Youtube autogenerates channels for popular topics, such as Ubuntu Studio http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCkGK6Zv5-b0I
[01:34] <zequence> We really should start a channel ourselves
[02:10] <micahg> Len-nb: settings uploaded
[02:24] <Len-nb> micahg, thankyou
[12:28] <DarkEra> o/
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Hi DarkEra
[12:31] <DarkEra> heya smartboyhw :)
[13:13] <smartboyhw_> len-1304: Len-nb: zequence: We might want Chromium as our default browser, there is going to be a UDS session about it.
[13:55] <smartboyhw_> Hey ttoine!
[13:56] <ttoine> hello
[13:56] <ttoine> what's up ?
[13:58] <len-1304> smartboyhw_, micah says chromium is not ready anyway.
[14:00] <smartboyhw_> len-1304: OK
[14:00] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: How's the merchandise going on?
[14:06] <ttoine> waiting for the artwork, actualy
[14:07] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Oh.
[16:01] <DarkEra> Doh... laptop not showing grub scared the hell out of me, just a blinking cursor.... until i noticed i forgot to power off the external hard drive.... ---> Fail
[17:07] <DarkEra> heya zequence
[17:08] <zequence> DarkEra: Hi
[17:08] <DarkEra> how are you doing buddy?
[17:08] <zequence> DarkEra: Are you following the UDS at all? I'm finding very few subjects that I want to get involved in myself
[17:09] <zequence> Todays schedule http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-14/
[17:11] <DarkEra> actually i didn't have time to look at that, thanks for the link
[17:12] <DarkEra> zequence, has it started already?
[17:14] <zequence> DarkEra: Yes. It'll be on until 20:00 UTC this day, and then Wed and Thursday as well, each beginning from around 16.00 UTC, I think
[17:14] <zequence> DarkEra: Overview http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/
[17:14] <zequence> DarkEra: Right now, about QA http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21714/community-s-quality-coverage/
[17:53] <DarkEra> confusing.. oh well, maybe better tomorrow
[17:56] <zequence> DarkEra: There's a break now, actually
[17:57] <zequence> I didn't realize that session had already ended
[17:57] <zequence> DarkEra: This might be interesting to you http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21716/community-s-quality-userstory/
[17:57] <zequence> Starts in a few minutes
[17:58] <DarkEra> yeah, i noticed Lunch somewhere in the schedule :D
[17:58] <DarkEra> ok i'll keep a eye on it.
[19:14] <DarkEra> was interesting to follow, maybe next time, when i gained some more experience and know my way around, i might jump in.
[21:05] <Len-nb> zequence, there was something on kernels... something about the next version having a new "hw stack". IDK how that would affect us.
[21:05] <Len-nb> UDS is all during my work schedule. So I won't get any of it.
[21:06] <zequence> Len-nb: The videos are up so, it's possible to see them afterwards. And, I guess interaction can be done later on mail lists or wherever, on IRC
[21:06] <zequence> I mean, the videos are recorded, and you can still see them after broadcast
[21:07] <zequence> Len-nb: I missed the notion on new hw stack
[21:07] <Len-nb> I am guessing the the changes in the kernel are from upstream anyway. I wonder how these things will affect audio
[21:07] <Len-nb> That was about the only thing I saw that might affect us
[21:08] <zequence> Probably more targeted towards video, because of the move to MIR, if I would take a guess
[21:08] <zequence> but, I suppose it would be good to find out
[21:09] <Len-nb> Ubuntu tends to use pretty close to stock kernels I think, so if the way HW is done is changed I would think it would be from upstream.
[21:10] <Len-nb> Xorg is headed some new ways as well.
[21:16] <zequence> A bit OT, but valve is releasing all its games for the Linux steam client, bit by bit. I'm not seeing a massive move towards Linux in the game world yet, but it feels like a big deal the way Valve/Steam is targetting Linux right now
[21:17] <zequence> That's absolutely a big game changer for a lot of the main stream user base, who often keep Windows only for the sake of gaming
[21:17] <zequence> Would be cool if the audio world could see a change like that too
[21:18] <zequence> Not that I'm for proprietary software, but if you can get one foot in, it's easier to get the other one in as well
[21:18] <zequence> If Pro Tools were supporting Linux, and some other major applications, the free software would also get more focus
[21:18] <zequence> And the free technologies


[00:34] <roaksoax> stuart_: bond yes, on the tagged vlan, that's where the problem may be
[00:34] <roaksoax> you need untagged for pxe booting
[00:49] <mup> Bug #1761639 opened: [2.4] Trying to upgrade firmware on a HP Gen9, hpilo driver not available <MAAS:Triaged> <maas-images:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761639>
[00:49] <mup> Bug #1761640 opened: [2.4] Ephemeral environment $HOME is / <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761640>
[03:17] <mup> Bug #1761639 changed: [2.4] Trying to upgrade firmware on a HP Gen9, hpilo driver not available <MAAS:Invalid> <maas-images:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761639>
[05:12] <Hey> How do I create a ddtgz?
[05:13] <Hey> Can i use qemu-img convert then tar and gzip?
[07:04] <flagellanten> Hey: I tried to use ddtgz for some CentOS 6 image I created a couple of weeks ago, but failed miserably, it wouldn't deploy. If you are doing something similar, I would suggest mounting  for a tgz instead which is just as easy.
[08:40] <parlos> Good Morning
[14:45] <mup> Bug #1761766 opened: [2.4, UI,vanilla] Commissioning action options not correctly formatter <vanilla-transition> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761766>
[14:45] <mup> Bug #1761767 opened: [2.4, UI, vanilla] Deploy action options indentation <vanilla-transition> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761767>
[14:45] <mup> Bug #1761768 opened: [2.4, UI, vanilla] Error on action errors are unformatted <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761768>
[14:54] <Hey> What is the difference between name=win2012hvr2 and contetn@HOME/win2012hvr2-dd ?
[14:54] <Hey> wrong channel
[14:54] <Hey> lol
[15:10] <Hey> flagellanten: I created a custom windows 10 vm. prepped it with what it needs. when shutdown, I converted it to with qemu-img to raw. then tar gzip the raw file.
[16:57] <mup> Bug #1761802 opened: [2.4, DNS, UI] Make "Delete domain" button white instead of red <dns-ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761802>
[16:57] <mup> Bug #1761804 opened: [2.4, DNS, UI] Multiple address records should be represented as a single record <dns-ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761804>
[17:06] <mup> Bug #1761802 changed: [2.4, DNS, UI] Make "Delete domain" button white instead of red <dns-ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761802>
[17:06] <mup> Bug #1761804 changed: [2.4, DNS, UI] Multiple address records should be represented as a single record <dns-ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761804>
[17:09] <mup> Bug #1761802 opened: [2.4, DNS, UI] Make "Delete domain" button white instead of red <dns-ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761802>
[17:09] <mup> Bug #1761804 opened: [2.4, DNS, UI] Multiple address records should be represented as a single record <dns-ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761804>
[17:19] <Hey> How long should it take to upload a 45gb image to file?  it has been running now for almost 1 hour
[17:20] <roaksoax> wow! no idea
[17:20] <roaksoax> we';ve never uploaded such a bgi image
[17:39] <mup> Bug #1761813 opened: can't import boot resources: "simplestreams.util.SignatureMissingException: No signature found" <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:Incomplete> <simplestreams:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761813>


[00:10] <vorlon> kyrofa: regrettably yes
[00:12] <vorlon> kyrofa: but afk for a bit, so I'll reply async if you ask a followup question :)
[00:14] <sarnold> pity it wasn't pre-followed-up :)
[00:22] <TJ-> can someone remind how dput > launchpad PPA does auth? I have it working here but its been so long since I configured it I'm struggling to figure out where the client gets the auth? is 'sftp' method using the SSH local id_rsa ?
[00:26] <tyhicks> TJ-: that's correct
[00:29] <TJ-> tyhicks: thanks; can't find that spelled out anywhere on the LP Help PPA pages :)
[00:29] <TJ-> tyhicks: needing to move the config/keys to another system and didn't know what is needed
[00:52] <infinity> TJ-: Although, the only reasons to use the sftp method are either Very Broken Networks, or because you're uploading Very Private Bits.
[00:52] <infinity> (or cause you're weird and like things to be slow, I guess)
[00:54] <sarnold> I never found ftp package uploads to be all that quick :)
[00:55] <TJ-> infinity: I'm just moving a config that I've had for years
[01:42] <kyrofa> vorlon, just installed 18.04 on a new XPS 13, checking the "please install updates" box. It surprised me by asking for a password, but nicely explained that it was because I had secure boot enabled and it would be required on the next boot to ensure components were authorized. Sure enough, mokmanager showed up on the next boot, but it was entire unclear what I was supposed to do. There were a few options, the first being "boot now" and the
[01:42] <kyrofa> second being something like "enroll a key". The others looked less valid. I wasn't interested in enrolling a key, so I said "boot now" and no password was prompted. I later found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot which implies that I should have enrolled a key
[01:42] <kyrofa> I don't seem to be missing functionality, but now it's nagging at me. Rod filled me in on how it works, but he wasn't sure how the installer was getting the key into mokmanager so he wasn't sure if it was recoverable
[01:44] <kyrofa> The way the installer made it sound, I was just expecting a simple "Hey yo, you installed new stuff, enter the password you used" and I'd be off to the races. Is there a reason it needs to be more complicated than that?
[05:27] <infinity> kyrofa: The reason it needs to be more complicated is because userspace can't write to your firmware's key databases, all it can do it queue up a request to enroll a key and let mokmanager DTRT on reboot.
[05:27] <infinity> kyrofa: There's no reason, however, for it to be as confusing as it is, except that mokmanager's UX was designed by someone who lives in 1972, apparently.
[06:24] <plongshot> I don't want to ask this in the main channel cause it's somewhat sensitive. I accidentally pastbinned a file that contains some perosonal info I dont' want out.  Address, phone number, etc.   Is there any way to remove a pastbinit once it's been created?
[06:25] <plongshot> Is this information still relevant? https://askubuntu.com/a/406279
[06:40] <plongshot> I've gone ahead and changed the ip of the compromised mahcine and reconfigured. I would still like to see if I can get that paste deleted. Thanks
[11:48] <tenplus1> hi folks
[11:49] <tenplus1> anyone know why libleveldb1v5 was removed from repos ???
[11:53] <sladen> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libleveldb1v5  https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libleveldb1v5
[11:53] <sladen> tenplus1: what version of Ubuntu?
[11:53] <tenplus1> soryr, am on 19.10 and wondering why it was missing... couldn't install something
[11:54] <tenplus1> I had to download it from an earlier release to get things working... just found it weird...  (was installing Minetest 5.0.1, repo is outdated with 0.4.16)
[11:55] <sladen> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/getting-libleveldb1v5-fixed/  ->  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=877773
[11:56] <tenplus1> fixed by removal, ouch!
[11:57] <sladen> 19.10 is not out yet.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+package/libleveldb1v5  it is in 19.04
[11:58] <tenplus1> true, am testing it out for now... was hoping someone in here would have an answer :P
[12:01] <tenplus1> thanks for the help :P
[12:12] <cjwatson> The newest version of the source package builds libleveldb1d instead, and packages that depend on it should migrate
[12:13] <cjwatson> Not fixed by removal, fixed by rename
[20:55] <ahasenack> is it ok to use this style of globbing in postrm to remove the logs when purging the package? rm -f /var/log/foo.log*
[20:55] <ahasenack> I expect it to purge foo.log, foo.log.1, foo.log.2.gz, etc
[20:55] <ahasenack> or even just foo.log.2, if the admin changed the config to not gzip
[20:55] <ahasenack> but I wonder if someone would ever save backups there like /var/log/foo.1.bak and expect them to remain
[20:57] <vorlon> I'm not sure there's a strong precedent one way or the other
[21:05] <ahasenack> I checked some packages, heimdal-kdc does that. Many others have their own log directory, but also just remove everything
[21:05] <ahasenack> I'll do it this way for now
[21:11] <juliank> ahasenack: certainly sounds ok to me
[21:11] <ahasenack> cool


[00:01] <ScottK> ev: First test of the new ubiquity-kde:
[00:01] <ScottK> oh great, ubiquity was killed by OOM
[00:01] <ScottK> most of the memory was used up by 147 instances of 'plugininstall.p' where each uses 10MiB
[00:01] <ScottK> Bug being filed.
[00:26] <ev> yikes!
[00:33] <ev> looking into it
[00:57] <cjwatson> ev: we need to arrange to get the grub default while the partitioner is running (if you aren't already on this)
[00:58] <cjwatson> I get a non-fatal traceback in yesterday's desktop CD which is due to misc.boot_device being called while partman isn't running
[00:58] <cjwatson> which means it can't determine the right device for /boot
[00:59] <ev> cjwatson: can you file a bug for it and raise the priority?  I'm currently trying to dig through bug 625586
[00:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625586 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity killed by OOM killer (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625586
[00:59] <ev> cjwatson: mind you, once I get the partition drop down sorted, we'll get that for free
[01:00] <cjwatson> that was what I was thinking half-way through speaking ... still want the bug?
[01:00] <ev> but I don't foresee being able to tackle that until Sunday.
[01:00] <ev> please
[01:00] <ev> just so I have a reminder of it
[01:00] <cjwatson> ok
[01:00] <ev> much appreciated
[01:04] <ev> ah, this bug has that problem as well
[01:09] <ev> mm, I need to somewhat replicate dbfilter_handle_status for the parallel bits
[01:13] <cjwatson> good news is that I can't reproduce the failure to install oem-config when there's no network
[01:17] <ev> nice
[01:21] <cjwatson> ah, I think superm1 fixed it in fact
[01:21] <cjwatson> bug 625605 marked High and assigned to you
[01:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625605 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "misc.boot_device called when partman isn't running (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625605
[01:24] <ev> thanks
[01:35] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4240 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.9
[01:37] <ev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/484739/ is what I'm thinking of for handling crashes during the core install, though I'll wait to commit it until I've looked over it with not 2 AM eyes.


[00:59] <mamarley> It would be quite nice if you could copy a package from the main distribution into a PPA.
[01:00] <mamarley> (Using the web interface, same as copying packages between PPAs.)
[01:13] <junkanoo> having trouble with my 14.04 display/power settings... after just a few minutes of inactivity, the screen dims like 50%
[01:13] <junkanoo> looking at tweak, I don't have anything set that would cause it
[01:15] <junkanoo> actually brightness and lock
[04:28] <Hieberrr> Hey everyone, is Gnome 3 safe to install on the current 14.04 daily builds?
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:58] <hyde> ah, Qt is finally 5.2. Time to start testing the beta in real use :) (in a non-critical VM , but still)
[08:26] <stego> hello! how's the state of bumblebee / nvidia optimus graphics on 14.04? is there any recommended way?
[10:29] <ziggurat> Yesterday I had error while installing Ubuntu 14.04, it was unable to complete grub-install, ran the command in a terminal and there was something about /moo or something. Any known issue?
[10:33] <DJones> I've only done one 14.04 install and taht was a couple of weeks back, at the time I didn't have any issues, all I had to do was disable either secure boot or fastboot, I can't remember which
[10:35] <andry> dont boot the iso as uefi
[10:45] <Cerberus> hello. anyone here has audio issues with 14.04? I installed it yesterday and everything was working fine but today sound is skipping and not working on mp3 files and youtube
[11:07] <ziggurat> DJones and andry, Thanks!
[11:17] <Cerberus> lol sound issue just fixed itself after new updates from few minutes ago
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:39] <louisdk> I've been trying to upgrade my Ubuntu 12.04 x86_64 to 14.04 however it crashes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7125264/
[13:39] <IdleOne> louisdk: try with sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:39] <IdleOne> but you probably want to wait for release
[13:45] <louisdk> IdleOne: It crashes too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7125301/
[13:47] <IdleOne> like I said, you probably should wait for release in about 3 weeks
[13:47] <IdleOne> I don't know how to help with this. maybe someone else in here will, sit tight and be patient
[13:55] <philinux> louisdk;~ only just logged in. whats the poblem?
[13:58] <SuperLag> I've reinstalled one of my systems. Moved ~ onto a separate drive. I have that drive mounted as /home and the directory "aaron" is inside of it. Perms on "aaron" are 755. I can log in, but I get no desktop. Just a blank Ubuntu screen with the "ubuntu 14.04 LTS" in the corner. If I switch to console, I can log in as aaron and all my stuff is there. What gives?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> louisdk, make sure you don't have any ppas in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:58] <louisdk> <philinux:
[13:59] <louisdk> philinux: I've been trying to upgrade my Ubuntu 12.04 x86_64 to 14.04 however it crashes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7125264/ - sudo do-release-upgrade -d crashes too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7125301/
[14:00] <ikonia> I suspect the opera stuff is stopping the sources.list from being maniuplated
[14:00] <louisdk> ikonia: Will try to disable that first, then all ppas.
[14:01] <ikonia> errr no
[14:01] <ikonia> you should have done that before even starting
[14:01] <ikonia> and in my opinion all non-core software should be removed
[14:01] <ikonia> if you're going to upgrade to a developent release, it's worth reading the actual requirements/notes to upgrade.
[14:02] <SuperLag> Is there a keystroke to log out or restart X that's different than it used to be? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer works.,
[14:02] <ikonia> !nozap
[14:02] <ikonia> that got removed ages ago
[14:02] <ikonia> !dontzap
[14:02] <ikonia> let me see if I can find the factoid
[14:03] <louisdk> ikonia:  update-manager usually disables all non-standard repos doing upgrade. But thanks guys I think I can proceed from here :)
[14:04] <ikonia> louisdk: that won't fix dependencies, nor will it manage any repos that have a non-standard naming convention
[14:04] <philinux> louisdk;~ I tried an upgrade from 13.10 2 weeks ago and it failed. Ended up doing a clean install from the live daily
[14:05] <ikonia> SuperLag: the factoid is "dontzap" for for some reason it's not work, I'll need to look at that, but it basically tells you how to enable the X11 reset
[14:05] <louisdk> philinux: Ooh then I should just wait. However I don't expect these fatal errors from beta releases, but that might be true with Ubuntu.
[14:06] <SuperLag> ikonia: so why is that somehow bad now, that it would have been disabled?
[14:06] <ikonia> SuperLag: it's been disabled for many many releases
[14:06] <SuperLag> ikonia: that doedrsn
[14:06] <ikonia> sorry what ?
[14:07] <SuperLag> that doesn't answer the question :)
[14:07] <SuperLag> it was useful, why remove it?
[14:07] <ikonia> it wasn't seen as useful, and I think people used to hit it by accident out of windows habbits, I don't know thought but it doesn't change the fact it's gone
[14:08] <philinux> SuperLag;~ one is ctrl alt del
[14:08] <philinux> get the logout gui
[14:11] <philinux> SuperLag;~ also if you can get a terminal up you can use gnome-session-quit
[14:11] <SuperLag> didn't know that one
[14:11] <SuperLag> thank s
[14:12] <SuperLag> Do you guys encrypt ~ when you install?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> not me , I'm a home user, don't see the need for it
[14:13] <philinux> SuperLag;~ also this > http://www.humans-enabled.com/2013/10/ubuntu-1310-enable-controlaltbackspace.html
[14:22] <philinux> Have you guys seen this news. 14.04 Adds ‘Click to Minimize App’ Option to Unity Launcher
[14:22] <philinux> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/minimize-click-launcher-option-ubuntu-14-04?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29
[14:23] <ikonia> https://access.redhat.com/site/support/policy/updates/errata/
[14:24] <ikonia> tie that in with 3rd party applicatoins such as Oracle, Websphere, and hardware lifecyles and thats pretty much how businesses plan it out
[15:33] <llutz_> could anyone using 14.04 on a thinkpad and having "linrunners tlp" installed check "ls -l /dev/rfkill" for me, pls. is there an acl set (allowing user with uid=1000 rw- on /dev/rfkill)
[16:34] <Wnt> llutz: "crw-rw-r--+ 1 root root 10, 62 maali 16 23:14 /dev/rfkill" running 14.04 on a X230
[16:35] <Wnt> oh, didn't read your whole question, I don't have "linrunners tlp" installed
[16:43] <uaa> Hi, I'm having an issue with login. I have to change layout once to be able to type the password
[16:43] <uaa> keyboard layout
[17:54] <miraiE> hi, i've dist-upgraded kubuntu, including qt5, why qtcreator home screen is blank white?
[18:59] <hyper_ch> hmmm, since todays updates I have noa baloo_file_extractor using much cpu... but I don't know what that is
[19:01] <melkor> Wow, something with the most recent update has brought my system to a halt.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, it's the new file indexer that replaces nepomuk
[19:31] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: it sucks... I can't disable or remove it
[19:35] <hyper_ch> 14.04 has massive problems
[19:36] <hyper_ch> when I switch kvm to other box
[19:36] <hyper_ch> and switch back
[19:36] <hyper_ch> with usb bluetooth headset
[19:36] <hyper_ch> it won't get reactivate
[19:36] <hyper_ch> not even detaching / reattaching helps
[19:36] <hyper_ch> I need to reboot
[19:36] <hyper_ch> I usually have also two external monitors
[19:36] <hyper_ch> and the notebook display turned off
[19:37] <hyper_ch> when I boot with not monitors attached
[19:37] <hyper_ch> screen stays turned off because external monitors are not there
[19:38] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, yes 14.04 has some harware recognition problems with kvm switches in the signal path
[19:38] <BluesKaj> hardware
[19:38] <hyper_ch> it used to work in the beginning of 14.04
[19:38] <hyper_ch> but now it doesn't anymore
[19:39] <hyper_ch> the weird thing is, the usb bt mouse also hoocked up to the kvm works
[19:51] <notwist> I'm running Xubuntu 14.04 and it's a pain how the screen blanks after 10 mins, even when watching full screen video. Anyone recognize this? How do I stop it?
[19:52] <notwist> I'm considering modifying xorg.conf but I'd rather not break my system
[19:52] <notwist> I already tried disabling the screen saver, power management features and so on, I don't think there's anything left to try there (but I'd appreciate any suggestions)
[19:53] <notwist> I found a thread online where it said to try "xset -dpms" followed by "xset s noblank" and "xset s off" but now instead of a black screen blanking I get a black and white "classic X" type of screen which looks even worse
[19:53] <melkor> hyper_ch: are you refering to baloo?
[19:54] <hyper_ch> melkor: I was, among other things
[19:55] <hyper_ch> melkor: why do you ask?
[19:56] <melkor> My computer was lagging really bad for a bit. It would just pause for 2-3 seconds. The only strange process I saw was baloo_file_extractor. After it finally finished my computer was working fine again.
[19:58] <hyper_ch> I don't like file indexers
[19:58] <hyper_ch> if I wanted to artifically slow down my system I'd install AV
[22:12] <aguitel> what is the diference between ubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu gnome 14.04 ?
[22:13] <TJ-> Ubuntu has Unity, Ubuntu Gnome has... Gnome Shell
[22:15] <aguitel> TJ-, ok
[22:15] <aguitel> thanks


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[10:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:04] <viewer|22> Hello! Fellow Kubuntu user here. I enabled an effect that I'd really like to disable, but I can't find the menu to do so!
[13:05] <viewer|22> The effect is that when I hover my mouse over items in the menu bar (say, the firefox item, or libreoffice item), it makes raises that item to the front, with some translucence.
[13:06] <viewer|22> It's causing me lots of problems when I accidentally hover over it, which, given that i like the menu bar at the top of the screen, is all the time!
[13:06] <viewer|22> Any idea how to disable?
[13:22] <lundrvs> @viewer|22 have you tried Tweaks?
[13:23] <lundrvs> this is the description of Tweaks:
[13:23] <lundrvs> tool to adjust advanced configuration settings for GNOME
[13:23] <lundrvs>  GNOME Tweak Tool allows the adjustment of several advanced GNOME
[13:23] <lundrvs>  options that can't be configured in gnome-control-center.
[13:23] <lundrvs> you can install it: sudo apt-get install gnome-tweaks
[13:23] <lundrvs> good luck
[13:26] <lundrvs> you can too execute it by typing its name on the terminal if you don't find it on the GUI...                gnome-tweaks
[13:27] <BluesKaj> lundrvs, this kde/plasma/kubuntu support, not gnome
[13:27] <lundrvs> I know it
[13:27] <lundrvs> but try it anyway
[13:27] <lundrvs> it could work
[13:28] <lundrvs> it actually works for me
[13:29] <BluesKaj> using gnome desktop as well as kde/plasma?
[13:30] <lundrvs> let me check in one moment
[13:33] <lundrvs> you're right, I can't Apply the changes, there's no option to do so. Anyway I thought it was just the name of the program not the program itself thought specificly for Gnome but just originallu built on Gnome and therefore modified to be used anywere...
[13:33] <lundrvs> anyway, if it's useful: https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/TweakingPlasma
[13:37] <lundrvs> Well, let me take some fresh air to get rid of grey matter sawdust...🙋🙋🙋
[14:21] <viewer|22> Sorry for the slow reply @lun and BluesKaj - went out for lunch
[14:21] <viewer|22> Woops! By @lun I meant @lundrvs.
[14:22] <viewer|22> Well yes, because I'm using plasma this isn't a tweak tools job ;)
[19:46] <Sirach69> Hello all. I have troubles since this morning (been updating very often). I have Kubuntu 20.04 and when I try to click on background services, it hangs then give me the error message 'unable to contact kded'. I have tried on a new user and it work fine there. How can I fix this ?? BTW It was working fine yesterday
[21:44] <lundrvs> does anyone know why Kubuntu doesn't detects my laptop's webcam?
[21:47] <lundrvs> I'll try to loook for drivers, perhaps it that...
[22:56] <Emilia_> hi
[22:56] <Emilia_> How can I install 2 different snaps of the same software?
[23:19] <dani_> I warn peoplefrom using linux open source nvidia driver! it will ruin your graphic card
[23:20] <dani_> after installing kubuntu months ago, its not possible to play any game on windows, because graphic card crashing the system after some time in game
[23:20] <dani_> also fan speed will not work properly under windows after installing (k)ubuntu on the same pc
[23:24] <dani_> dont use x.org X server driver
[23:24] <dani_> if you use it, you can trhow your pc away
[23:26] <user|54631> helloo!!
[23:26] <user|54631> i'm newbie about kubuntu
[23:27] <user|54631> do you know how hard disk space need kubuntu?
[23:32] <lundrvs> nope
[23:36] <krytarik> user|54631: I'd go with at least 15 GB so there will be sufficient hard disk space still free after installing for expanding the system as desired.
[23:50] <user|54631> thanks so much krytarik :)
[23:50] <krytarik> Of course! :)


 @RikMills, Which distro gives more battery life in laptop?
 @virendrarana, I believe QT based systems are less resource intensive. GTK based system tend to be more resource heavy due to use of Javascript. Correct me anyone if I am wrong
[07:59] <Unit193> GNOME uses Javascript, Xfce is a GTK desktop that's written in C.
 @Unit193, Thanks
 @nash_g5, Thnx sir, but I'm little noob … I just need a good distro names for my laptop
 Try Kubuntu 20.04. Works perfectly on my laptop.
 Lightweight
 Good battery performance
 @nash_g5, Tried , 1.5hr back-up only
 @nash_g5, Windows 10 gives 4hrs easily
 Too much difference...
[08:25] <oerheks> TLP can do some good for laptops battery life
 Yep. Tlp did wonders for me on my laptop.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 @BluesKaj, Morning
[12:37] <BluesKaj> @nash_g5, 'Morning
[13:04] <Guest89348> beastiality
[13:08] <sergun> hello there, would kubuntu 20.04 be fine with 1gb of ram? i'll be using it only for krita and some pdf viewing
 @sergun, Best would be to test it via live usb
[14:09] <ceibal> hola
[14:14] <ceibal> yyy
[15:18] <paolo_> hello
[15:18] <paolo_> I know my kubuntu 18 has python 2.7 already installed , but I need to upgrade at least to 3.6 how can I fix?
[16:22] <Antoine-> Hello, can I use the fingerprint reader of my laptop with kubuntu 20.04 out of the box or do I need to install something?
[17:12] <vbgunz_> hello, anyone here got steamvr working as good on kubuntu as it is on Windows? out of the box on Windows it's superior and playable. out of the box on Kubuntu it's terrible. anyone have a tip on getting steamvr to perform at least playable? This experience is with a Valve Index.
[17:13] <vbgunz_> steamvr is just very laggy on a brand new installation of Kubuntu 20.04 whereas on the same computer dual booting into windows 10, it's great
[17:13] <vbgunz_> the gpu is an AMD 590
[20:50] <august> HOWDY!!
 hi
[21:30] <user|94796> D:
[21:34] <user|96871> Yesterday, I decided to use rufus to create a bootable USB drive with kubuntu on it, to try it out. When I ran it for the first time, it worked fine, and I hadn't chosen to install Kubuntu on my laptop, and only ran it from the flashdrive. However, when I turned my laptop on today, with the flash drive taken out, my dell laptop said 'no bootable de
[21:34] <user|96871> vices found'. I didn't think I had even touched the default Windows OS, so I have no idea why. When I put the flash drive back in, kubuntu was the only option available. How can I fix this?
 boot to bios and select your windows boot device.
[21:35] <user|96871> when i reached the bios screen, there was no windows option anywhere
 ???
 Can you see your hard drives listed in your BIOS? Or, if you select the boot options upon boot, is your windows drive listed?
[21:39] <user|96871> No, only kubuntu options are shown
 If you ran live boot without  installing, then nothing should have changed....
[21:41] <tomreyn> maybe you changed the default boot device order in the bios?
[21:41] <user|96871> that's what I thought too, and I'm not sure what's going on
[21:41] <user|96871> How can I change it back?
[21:41] <tomreyn> undo the change you made ;)
[21:42] <tomreyn> bioses are vendor specific, it's hard to tell.
[21:42] <user|96871> I didn't think I had made a change...
[21:43] <tomreyn> i'm with darin there, though, unless you made a change, there should have been no change.
[21:43] <user|96871> I agree with you
[21:44] <user|96871> So what's happening is that when i first turn the laptop on, it takes me to a screen that says "GNU GRUB" at the top, but only stays there for a few seconds
[21:45] <tomreyn> does gnu grub only show when you have the usb sorage connected or either way?
[21:46] <user|96871> only when I have the usb connected
[21:46] <tomreyn> so it's likely the gnu grub bootloader that's on the usb storage that gets loaded there
[21:47] <tomreyn> and this one wont know about your windows installation
[21:47] <user|96871> that's specific to kubuntu right
[21:47] <user|96871> does that mean that windows has somehow completely been wiped from my device?
[21:47] <tomreyn> no. this doesn't tell us anything about what happened to windows
[21:48] <user|96871> do you know how to get from the grub screen to somewhere that shows all of the OSes on the laptop?
[21:49] <tomreyn> here's another two theories: you enabled or disabled "secure boot", or switched from uefi to legacy bios / CSM boot mode.
 Boot again to your usb and use partition manager to inspect your partitions.  Look for any NTFS partition....
[21:49] <user|96871> I'm pretty sure mine is on enabled for secure boot
[21:49] <user|96871> i'm honestly not sure what that does though - what should it be on?
[21:50] <tomreyn> the only thing that matter is whether you changed these settings
[21:50] <tomreyn> if you say you didn't touch the bios, then that's irrelevant for now.
[21:51] <user|96871> i'm pretty sure i didn't
[21:52] <user|96871> okay at the screen i'm looking at, there are 5 options - 1) start kubuntu, 2) start kubuntu (safe graphics), 3) OEM install (for manufacturers), 4) boot from next volume, and 5) UEFI firmware settings
[21:52] <user|96871> at the bottom it says you can press e to edit the commands before booting or c for a command line
[21:54] <user|96871> if anyone could help me i would greatly appreciate it - i'm in the middle of an online class, and this is the only laptop i have readily available to me
[21:54] <tomreyn> 4 would try booting into windows, but this may or may not work
[21:54] <tomreyn> other than that, 1 would enable you to do what darin suggested
[21:55] <user|96871> what does "next volume" mean?
[21:55] <tomreyn> generally this #kubuntu is not the best place to fix windows bppt problems
[21:55] <tomreyn> *boot
[21:55] <user|96871> it just shows the dell screen, saying no bootable devices found
[21:55] <tomreyn> (there's ##windows though)
[21:55] <user|96871> okay thank you I'll try that
[21:56] <tomreyn> next volume points to the next storage found on the computer
[21:56] <tomreyn> so probably the fixed disk
[21:57] <user|96871> how do i go to #windows ?
[21:57] <user|96871> nevermind found it
[22:10] <user|96871> I have another question - since it seems that my copy of windows has been somehow messed up, i'll probably have to uninstall windows. I need to back up my files, though, so can i go ahead and run kubuntu, install it, and then will i be able to back up my files from there?
 i was able to get back to windows by messing around
 messing around with  the BIOS boot?
[23:02] <tomreyn> i assume they were. no details were provided in ##windows either.


[03:31] <epikvision> hello guys
[03:31] <epikvision> I've been able to start a group called Ubuntu for students.
[03:31] <epikvision> on fb
[03:31] <epikvision> and I'm seeing really powerful resistance.
[03:31] <epikvision> and opposition.
[03:31] <epikvision> we have almost 200 members in there, and it's starting to daunt me.
[03:32] <DonkeyHotei> what kind of opposition?
[03:32] <epikvision> ok, here's the story
[03:33] <epikvision> ever since I returned from UDS (it was splendid.)
[03:33] <scientes> epikvision, yes it was ;)
[03:33] <epikvision> I want to change my high school
[03:33] <epikvision> from windows xp to linux (ubuntu)
[03:34] <epikvision> for a few weeks, this idea was relatively obscure
[03:34] <scientes> I've fought with the paid microsoft shills before, it ain't easy
[03:34] <scientes> but go on
[03:34] <epikvision> ahh, a survivor, I see
[03:34] <scientes> epikvision, join us in #techrights
[03:34] <epikvision> ok, i'll continue
[03:34] <epikvision> oh ok
[03:35] <epikvision> scientes, I'm trying to get into tech rights but to no avial
[03:35] <epikvision> is it in freenode?
[03:35] <scientes> yes
[03:36] <scientes> well anyways go on
[03:38] <scientes> what hapened to the story....damn
[03:48] <epikvision> https://www.facebook.com/groups/jhms.ubuntu/
[03:48] <epikvision> anyone supportive of pushing linux for a high school in Los Angeles?  please join!
[05:56] <scientes> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/24022507361
[21:48] <scientes> MarkDude, so what about those books?
[21:48] <scientes> I really need a good C book ;)
[21:49] <MarkDude> Give me a bit. I will be at home today
[21:49] <scientes> cool
[21:50] <MarkDude> I am working under assumption the triumvirate is cool with getting books.
[21:50] <MarkDude> Do we have a wiki page for it?>
[21:50] <MarkDude> I figure we put NorCal on there
[21:50] <MarkDude> Give So Cal a few days, and got from there
[21:50] <MarkDude> go
[21:51]  * MarkDude has a call or two to make
[21:53] <bkerensa> lol


[08:11] <dpm> good morning all
[08:15] <ajmitch> hi dpm
[08:18] <dpm> hey ajmitch
[12:56] <highvoltage> goor morning
[12:56] <highvoltage> *good
[17:53] <wendar> mhall119: the community lens was out for changes, is it ready now for re-review?
[17:54] <mhall119> wendar: no, I haven't had a change to make the requested changes to it yet
[17:56] <wendar> mhall119: okay, I'll add a comment to it
[17:56] <wendar> thanks
[17:56] <mhall119> wendar: it's currently precise-only anyway
[17:56] <wendar> mhall119: yup, no rush
[17:57] <mhall119> has david calle submitted any more?
[17:59] <wendar> mhall119: not yet
[17:59] <wendar> mhall119: I'm nearly done packaging the scopes for the music lens
[20:00] <ajmitch> wendar: have you been re-poking people who've submitted applications?
[20:01] <wendar> ajmitch: like, reminding them that we haven't heard from them in a while?
[20:01] <wendar> ajmitch: not yet, but I was thinking about doing that for guallet today
[20:01] <wendar> it's really close to ready to go
[20:02] <ajmitch> I was just seeing the flood of information needed requests, they were all pending review/
[20:02] <ajmitch> ?
[20:02] <wendar> yeah, that's me
[20:03]  * ajmitch had talked to the hacketyhack submitter a couple of days ago about shoes & offered help
[20:03] <wendar> ajmitch: cool
[20:03] <wendar> I didn't see any activity in the comments
[20:03] <ajmitch> sorry I hadn't copied it in there
[20:04] <wendar> I always forget too :)
[20:04] <wendar> he will have to wait until P+1 to get into Ubuntu, unfortunately
[20:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[20:04] <wendar> but, he could get into Debian quite quickly
[20:04] <ajmitch> once we learn what the name is :)
[20:04] <wendar> as soon as shoes is updated
[20:05] <ajmitch> thanks for the harmonyseq vote on the list, too
[20:05] <wendar> thanks for shepherding it through, it's looking great
[20:17] <wendar> hmmm... anyone have any ideas where this launchpad branch went? lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu/oneiric/unity-lens-graphicdesign/trunk/
[20:19] <wendar> Okay, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~app-review-board versus https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board
[20:20] <wendar> but the packaging-tools branch shows up on both
[20:21] <ajmitch> because lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu/oneiric/unity-lens-graphicdesign/trunk/ is against ubuntu
[20:53] <wendar> ajmitch: so, launchpad is setting the project based on the path
[20:53] <wendar> ajmitch: the bigger question is, do we want these branches for ARB maintained lens/scope packages to be tagged as Ubuntu project?
[20:54] <wendar> ajmitch: or, should we use bzr paths that avoid the auto-categorization?
[20:55] <ajmitch> lp branches are always lp:~person/project/branch_name, I think we make them be under the ubuntu-app-review-board project rather than ubuntu/release
[20:55] <ajmitch> mostly because these are for extras
[20:57] <wendar> ajmitch: makes sense, I'll move them over
[20:57] <wendar> ajmitch: but, I'll keep the Ubuntu release name in the path for sanity
[20:58] <wendar> so, lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/oneiric/unity-lens-graphicdesign
[20:59] <wendar> because there's a decent chance we may be releasing an update to the Oneiric version of the lens, even after we've moved on to the Precise version of the lens
[21:02] <ajmitch> can you name the branch like that?
[21:03]  * ajmitch assumed that you could only name a release with a distro in LP branches
[21:08] <wendar> hmmm... I get a "Permission denied" error when I try to push any branch with "oneiric" in the path
[21:09] <wendar> I'll just have to encode it in the name of the branch
[21:12] <wendar> We've now got lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/unity-lens-graphicdesign-oneiric and lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/unity-scopes-music-extras-oneiric
[21:15] <ajmitch> alright, thanks
[21:16] <ajmitch> I'll set aside some time this weekend to attack the queue & try & catch up on where things are at
[21:16] <ajmitch> as a bonus it's a 3-day weekend again :)
[21:29] <ajmitch> wendar: yes, I *finally* dealt with terraview, what others should I look at? :)
[21:30] <wendar> ajmitch: awesome!
[21:30] <wendar> I feel worst about the oldest ones
[21:30] <wendar> it'd be nice to get them either published, or rejected
[21:30] <ajmitch> yep
[21:30] <wendar> whichever is appropriate
[21:30] <wendar> pac, TetraCity, or Qoobar?
[21:30] <ajmitch> like pac, I know that was sitting around on LP for quite awhile
[21:31] <wendar> yeah, sounds good
[21:31] <ajmitch> the feeback on that was problematic
[21:32] <wendar> I don't recall, was it too large/complex?
[21:32] <ajmitch> " Your "source package" contains some binaries (/opt/pac/lib/ex/vte32/auto/Gnome2/Vte at least), this shouldn't be the case. - Your source package also includes .deb files in /opt/pac/res, this looks wrong.
[21:32] <ajmitch> "
[21:32] <wendar> or, security concerns around passwords and connections?
[21:32] <wendar> oooh, packaging problems
[21:33] <ajmitch> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/179/feedback/ indicates that he couldn't find those binaries anywhere
[21:33] <ajmitch> well, except on getdeb.net
[21:34] <wendar> so, he's got dependencies that aren't in Ubuntu
[21:34] <wendar> are they small, or likely to be added to Debian at some point?
[21:34] <ajmitch> I'll need to pull apart the package to see
[21:35] <ajmitch> it's hard when he's included them as binary .so files
[21:35] <wendar> he's not even pulling in the source... blech
[21:36] <ajmitch> right, and they're some libraries for libvte which is a core package for ubuntu-desktop
[21:36]  * ajmitch can't pull enough info out with objdump
[21:37] <wendar> hmmmm... it's a terminal emulator widget
[21:37] <ajmitch> yep
[21:38] <wendar> Technically, this did come in before we required a PPA, but I'm leaning toward reject.
[21:38] <ajmitch> libvte is definitely in ubuntu, but I can't tell how different the one he's packaged is (apart from a large size difference in the .so)
[21:40] <wendar> If you're inclined toward due-diligence, I'd say try running the software using the Ubuntu version of the library, and if it works go ahead and package it.
[21:40] <wendar> Otherwise, reject it on the grounds that software has to work on the current version of all dependencies in the current release of Ubuntu.
[21:41] <ajmitch> I feel bad doing so, but we really can't ship unknown binaries in source packages like that
[21:42] <wendar> Yeah
[21:42] <wendar> And, don't feel bad, it's part of the policy.
[21:42] <wendar> We're not allowed to ship updated versions of standard system libraries.
[21:42] <ajmitch> I feel bad about the time between last feedback & rejection :)
[21:42] <wendar> even if he included the source, we couldn't do it.
[21:42] <wendar> yeah, me too
[21:43] <wendar> but, we're doing better on that now
[21:43] <ajmitch> mostly your work
[21:43] <wendar> You gave a great apologetic message to the TerraView developer, that tone really helps.
[21:44] <wendar> And, so does the suggestions for what to do next.
[21:44] <ajmitch> that's why I took so long to respond
[21:45] <wendar> Yup, it's worth taking the time to phrase kind rejection messages, it makes a huge difference in the developer experience. (And in whether they're likely to learn and do better from it, or give up in frustration.)
[21:47] <ajmitch> so it looks like libgnome2-vte-perl was on getdeb.net but is no longer there
[21:47] <wendar> I think most of what I'm doing at the moment is trailblazing. Setting up easy, repeatable patterns for future apps.
[21:47] <wendar> Ah, so the source isn't even available anymore.
[21:47] <wendar> Maybe dropped when it made it in to the live distro?
[21:48] <ajmitch> there's no perl vte bindings in precise
[21:48] <ajmitch> do you know the state of gobject introspection & perl?
[21:49] <ajmitch> if I can suggest an alternative way to use the system libvte, I won't feel so bad rejecting :)
[21:50] <wendar> AFAIK, Perl is farther behind than Python in support for gtk3
[21:51] <wendar> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.gtk%2B.perl/12474
[21:52] <wendar> ah, wait http://search.cpan.org/~tsch/Gtk3-0.004/
[21:52] <ajmitch> right, he's the author of the vte-perl bindings tshipped as binaries in pac
[21:54] <wendar> then maybe suggest to the pac developer to get in touch with Torsten?
[21:54] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647711
[21:54] <ajmitch> so as of a week ago, there's progress in debian
[21:55] <wendar> excellent. So, that's something to say: watch the progress of the bug, and use the new versions of the libraries when they come out
[22:00] <ajmitch> ok, have added notes on that to my todo list, I won't write it up just yet


[06:07] <Book_em_Dano> My pc is displaying a "soft-lockup detected on CPU#1..." error message which halts the bootup process, how can I resolve this?
[06:38] <BenC> Book_em_Dano: file a bug report with the full message of the lockup…take a pic if needed
[07:26] <smb> morning
[07:26] <apw> morning
[07:32] <abogani> morning
[13:54]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:13] <ogasawara> apw: I thought we were going to disable compcache?
[15:13] <apw> ogasawara, and in better news I have also gotten it working again i think
[15:13] <apw> ogasawara, we were talking about removing the ramzswap ubuntu/compcache) yes
[15:14] <apw> though it was still being used by casper.  welll actually as i discovered its not working at
[15:14] <apw> all in natty cause the casper bits just don't work at all
[15:14] <apw> and that explains why our minimum memory supported had to be bumped in natty
[15:14] <apw> (i bet)
[15:14] <apw> anyhow ... i am about to push you some patches with ramzswap reverted as its broken beyond belief
[15:15] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[15:15] <apw> and as i've had to fix casper i've fixed it to support zram instead which is a staging driver in the main kernel
[15:15] <apw> </end nig
[15:15] <apw> </end nightmare>
[15:16] <ogasawara> apw: do we want to get a beta freeze exception for this and upload?
[15:17] <apw> ogasawara, oh no i see no need to doing anything before b1 as the casper userspace is so broken than it simply cannnot corectly load the driver anyhow
[15:17] <apw> which is good else smoke pours out :)
[15:17] <ogasawara> heh
[15:17] <apw> and we released with this broke without noticing for natty :/
[15:33] <cking> quality
[15:45] <apw> cking, assured
[15:46] <cking> right
[16:07] <apw> ogasawara, if ramzswap made it into P please zap it there
[16:07] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[16:08] <apw> ogasawara, i've just pushed the drop of ramzswap given its completely fooked anyhow
[16:08] <apw> makes no difference if its in
[16:08] <ogasawara> apw: cool, thanks
[16:08] <apw> ogasawara, now we wait on foundations to review their side so we can get the functionality back
[16:23] <tgardner> apw, do you need to diddle the modules bits in debian.master/abi after reverting compcache  ?
[16:24] <apw> tgardner, ahh yeah must have to... let me unf*ck that
[16:24] <tgardner> apw, I haven't built it yet, just was wondering
[16:25] <apw> tgardner, thats what happens when you remove it and test and fix and build, and then decide to revert instead
[16:26] <tgardner> apw, should likely do the same for ubuntu-p
[16:26] <apw> tgardner, ogasawara is on the case for p
[16:26] <ogasawara> apw: yep, I'll fix up p
[16:27] <tgardner> same with all the config settings ?
[16:27] <apw> they go naturally but i am commiting anyhow
[16:27] <ogasawara> yep, am working on syncing all my config changes right now
[16:27] <tgardner> cool. I'll just crawl back into my hole now.
[16:29] <apw> tgardner, ok that should be better now
[16:30] <tgardner> apw, wfm
[17:50]  * tgardner --> lunch
[18:38] <jdstrand> kees: hey. I'm looking at this: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2011/08/15/3. can you verify if oneiric is affected? based on dates alone, I am thinking not, but want to be sure
[18:39] <kees> jdstrand: oh, ew. I will check
[18:39] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:39] <jdstrand> kees: fyi, I've also got some new kernel CVEs coming in, but it'll be a few minutes before I check them in
[18:40] <kees> okay, cool
[18:41] <kees> jdstrand: yeah, oneiric is fine. we're already carrying the fixes
[18:41] <kees> 1ae2a2c0515870d784f1ea101b079bd0962b6cd5 and 8b180803c66ccc825d2969c1ea9929fcb7fba98e in our tree
[18:41] <jdstrand> cool :)
[18:50] <shbk> hello,does anybody have experience with compiling of modules for kernel?   I've described problem detailed here : http://gekannt.narod2.ru/       .thanks in advance
[18:50] <shbk> I have headers : sh@sh-laptop:~$ uname -r
[18:50] <shbk> 2.6.32-33-generic
[18:51] <shbk> I can't find  linux/module.h, but linux/kernel.h is
[18:56] <shbk> I read that I should compile kernel  yourself
[18:57] <shbk> but there are opinions that I shouldn't and that it's enough only headers
[18:59] <shbk> but there is something wrong, I don't know,  should I at first compile kernel?
[19:00] <shbk> I can  explain this as my precompiled ubuntu 10.04 hasn't source code , so I should  compile it or
[19:00] <shbk> can I just put source in /usr/src folder?
[19:01] <shbk> if I do  find /  -name *module.h   I receive:
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33-generic/include/linux/module.h
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/drivers/media/dvb/frontends/s921_module.h
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/arch/sparc/include/asm/module.h
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/arch/mips/include/asm/module.h
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/arch/xtensa/include/asm/module.h
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/arch/h8300/include/asm/module.h
[19:01] <shbk> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/arch/mn10300/include/asm/module.h
[19:03] <shbk> ooops, sorry
[19:03] <shbk> so I'm confused what to do
[19:04] <shbk> I asked on #ubuntu , #ubuntu-devel, but they sent me to here
[19:43] <jdstrand> kees: ok, finished checking in the new CVEs, there are several new kernel ones, including Kaminsky's tcp seq one
[19:51] <kees> jdstrand: ok, thanks


[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:14] <ducasse> good morning
[07:24] <lordievader> Morning ducasse, how are you?
[07:26] <ducasse> lordievader: all good, thanks, and you?
[07:26] <lordievader> Doing good here
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
[12:18] <oerheks> hi lotusw lordievader ducasse
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[12:32] <lordievader> Heho oerheks
[12:32] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:33] <oerheks> just testing some cantor tool.
[12:33] <oerheks> funny request from #u
[14:02] <pragmaticenigma> !headless
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> !nogui
[21:03] <Bashing-om> UWN618 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue618 :D
[22:16] <pragmaticenigma> damn, in all the time the blender has spent on this today... he could have found a monitor for that thing and been done and installed already
[22:19] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: he's homeless
[22:20] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: but I did suggest going to a somewhat local makerspace and asking for help
[22:22] <pragmaticenigma> hmm
[22:23] <pragmaticenigma> guess I will need to read up on why this is a priority for them
[22:23] <daftykins> challenging circumstances?
[22:24] <pragmaticenigma> not being insensitive... but if it were me... I'd be more focused on trying to find a job and a place to live. Then setting up a computer
[22:33] <oerheks> it can be a good way to stay out of trouble
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> that's true
[22:48] <daftykins> yeah we know someone like that in another channel, he'd speak of getting external monitors to game on and stuff whilst living in some kind of shared accomodation... seemed to keep breaking his laptops every month or three
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> gofio or something?
[22:52] <daftykins> username? nah
[22:53] <pragmaticenigma> gofio always seemd to be trying to make some acient computer come back to life with Ubuntu
[22:53] <pragmaticenigma> at least that's what I'm thinking of
[22:53] <pragmaticenigma> maybe combining two personas
[22:54] <daftykins> hehe, urgh true necromancy
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> right?
[22:57] <oerheks> i have more issues with fedora 31 users lying about running ubuntu
[23:00] <daftykins> xD
[23:00] <daftykins> i'd love to see the response when given an APT command
[23:11] <pragmaticenigma> They think they can translate... but you really can't
[23:16] <daftykins> always fun when they out themselves though :)
[23:20] <pragmaticenigma> time for dinner and tv...ttfn
[23:20] <oerheks> :-)


[21:09] <bdx> hey whats going on everyone?
[21:10] <bdx> I'm receiving this error when trying to create a bug on launchpad -> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vl3hac0ns9kvcwg/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-28%20at%202.04.56%20PM.png?dl=0
[21:10] <bdx> can anyone give me some insight as to what is going on here?
[21:10] <bdx> thx
[21:10] <dobey> screenshot isn't that helpful. bett to just post past the OOPS-ID value it gives you
[21:11] <bdx> dobey: Error ID: OOPS-44e29de3a122a5ab3aaa9cbae66c8b9b
[21:12] <dobey>   IllegalTarget: Package puppet-agent not published in Juju Charms Collection
[21:12] <dobey> not sure why it's not giving you a more cogent error though
[21:13] <bdx> dobey, possibly I need to give it a different namespace then
[21:13] <bdx> I see
[21:13] <bdx> thanks
[23:43] <Zacharee1> Anyone here?
[23:43] <wgrant> No.
[23:46] <Zacharee1> Thanks to some spam over on AskUbuntu, I found the same spam on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/hotmail-support-number-18772452967
[23:46] <Zacharee1> Not really sure what to do about it
[23:46] <Zacharee1> I was told to go here
[23:56] <wgrant> Thanks, I've removed it.


[04:54] <doctormo> pleia2, greg-g, Vantrax, cprofitt: if you guys see people comming here and asking support questions, should we be not just redirecting them to #ubuntu but also asking how they came to this channel so we can fix misdirection?
[04:54] <cprofitt> we can...
[04:54] <cprofitt> I actually direct them to beginners-help
[04:55] <cprofitt> #ubuntu is next to useless for help as it is too over-crowded
[04:56] <nhandler> cprofitt: If you feel that way, you might be interested in replying to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392799
[04:57] <cprofitt> nice
[04:57] <cprofitt> though I do not feel I have an 'answer' so... not sure I want to comment at this point
[04:58] <nhandler> No problem cprofitt. I just thought I would point out that other people feel the same way, and that they are currently searching for a solution
[04:59] <doctormo> nhandler: Yes, no need to me-too-storm the ubuntu-community bug report on support-floods ;-P
[04:59] <nhandler> doctormo: No, but you can use the 'Affects me too' feature ;)
[05:03] <cprofitt> either of you guys sys admins?
[05:05] <nhandler> cprofitt: No
[05:06] <cprofitt> k
[05:45] <doctormo> I used to be a junior sys-admin, but he's left
[05:45] <doctormo> I feel like the jack of all trades, even programming
[05:45] <doctormo> Master of none
[05:48] <bodhizazen> lol
[05:48] <bodhizazen> the rabbit hole is deep doctormo
[05:54] <Severity1> doctormo, i feel the same
[05:54] <Severity1> you feel all bloated and jumbled inside
[05:54] <Severity1> thats how i feel
[05:57] <doctormo> Severity1: No I feel like I've awesome at everything, even modesty
[05:59] <doctormo> bodhizazen: Well, I don't seem to be able to produce anything of worth programming, but I can produce lots of tat.
[06:00] <Severity1> doctormo, thats it but somehow you feel something is wrong
[06:00] <Severity1> well maybe our situation is different
[06:01] <doctormo> Severity1: No, I feel like things are right, the right thing is sleep and learn until it's time, but I want to do and that's the wrong thing ;-)
[06:02] <Severity1> im too curious about many things that i end up learning everything that interests me then be good at it but i feel im going on meltdown with all those informations i know i cant keep forever
[06:04] <doctormo> Severity1: You need a weild a good axe, meditation. I have program sort and axe I run which cleans dead stuff. Sometimes indexing helps.
[06:04] <bodhizazen> doctormo, what are you trying to do ?
[06:04] <Severity1> lol that would be helpful
[06:05] <Severity1>  :)
[06:06] <doctormo> bodhizazen: Get rid of memories of "When Harry met Sally" and replace them with "The dynamics of the crowd"
[06:07] <bodhizazen> sounds like a relationship problem
[06:08] <bodhizazen> Ask a woman what to do , women are good at those kinds of things
[06:37] <doctormo> bodhizazen: I grew up with 5 of them, women are easy
[19:13] <doctormo> If only this was Creative Commons: http://beginlinux.com/server_training/server-managment-topics/1015-basics-of-ldap
[20:34] <majukarma> hello
[20:34] <majukarma> ?
[21:23] <bodhi_zazen> FYI I am on Vacation from now -> July 13th or more likely 14th
[21:23] <bodhi_zazen> I may have intermittent (at best) internet access.
[21:26] <cprofitt> alright
[21:26] <cprofitt> I go the 19th -> >
[21:26] <cprofitt> for a week... and will have none