[12:50] <marseillai> Riddell: i've fix the problem with k3b in a clean way no symlink only patching source : here is the fix : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5322 it build and works fine. if you could look at it ?
[01:06] <marseillai> oki i've just learn that we don't need to revu those things
[01:06] <marseillai> and that this is enough : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/44524 with debdiff
[01:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44524 in k3b "k3b uses wrong normalize binary name" [Medium,Fix committed]
[02:55] <yuriy> hmm so there is no way to use a kde3 part in a qt4 app right? cause i am looking at t-c-m and it would just make so much sense to stick ksysguard in there
[03:08] <yuriy> t-c-m has a "gtkimage" that it uses to watch screens through vnc. should i be using qgraphicsview?
[03:55] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you broke kde 3.5.7? :)
[03:59] <yuriy> still can't install kde4 packages :-\
[03:59] <ajmitch> no more info than that, of course :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, why?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: which part?
[04:00] <yuriy> is kdecopy supposed to replace the regular qt4 packages?
[04:00] <ajmitch> especially knetworkmanager
[04:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i didnt touch knetworkmanager
[04:00] <Hobbsee> but it's been playing up for me too, in the past couple of days
[04:00] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's the new networkstatus, or osmething
[04:01] <ajmitch> I just saw "nothing really starting with K available"
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:02] <Jucato> yuriy: that's what the announcement page says
[04:02] <ajmitch> hm, might not quite be as broken as though
[04:02] <Jucato> yuriy: which removes all the Qt 4 apps on Kubuntu and the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[04:02] <yuriy> hmm must've missed that in the announcement
[04:03] <Hobbsee> there should be a new release in a couple of days, anyway
[04:03] <yuriy> anyways i guess i can't install it then... need pyqt4
[04:03] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: some miscommunication, seems like apps aren't dying, that was in reference to fetching stuff
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:04] <Jucato> yuriy: "Install kde4base-dev, this will uninstall the normal qt4 packages and install the qt4 kdecopy packages." http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[04:04] <Hobbsee> oh wait, no it's not.  beta1 is the 25th of may
[08:37] <_marseillais> hi
[08:50] <_marseillais> Riddell, did you see my message about k3b patch ?
[10:39] <Riddell> marseillai: nope
[10:40] <_marseillais> i've done a patch for k3b and normalize. in fact i just had to remove some changes in an existing k3b patch. i've test it and now it works fine.
[10:40] <_marseillais> i've attach a debdiff to bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/44524 including change in patches and changelog
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44524 in k3b "k3b uses wrong normalize binary name" [Medium,Fix committed]
[10:41] <_marseillais> Riddell, so if you have time ....
[10:42] <Riddell> ok, but k3b also needs a merge from debian
[10:42] <_marseillais> yes
[10:42] <_marseillais> i've take a look at it yesterday
[10:42] <_marseillais> but it was a little bit to late to start something so hard
[10:49] <mhb> good morning
[10:50] <Tm_T> good day
[10:50] <Tm_T> when I last time been active here?
[10:51] <Tm_T> 2 days ago, ok
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for the note about registration, nobody mentioned that to me
[11:15] <Riddell> kwwii: you should also ask on the e.v. list who else is going from kde
[11:19] <kwwii> Riddell: I noticed that Celeste and George are on the list of attendees
[11:20] <Riddell> kwwii: that may only be for previous events
[11:20] <kwwii> so are you attending?
[11:21] <Riddell> not that I've heard
[11:21] <Riddell> seems they want to send you instead
[11:22] <kwwii> well, I am going for UME
[12:55] <vprints> Riddell, do you remember fixing Bug #102544 ?
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102544
[12:55] <vprints> I think that you did fix that
[12:55] <Riddell> vprints: mm hmm
[12:55] <vprints> :P
[12:58] <vprints> I did a fresh install some days ago and it opens pdf's with kpdf now
[12:58] <vprints> so you could mark it fixed :)
[01:00] <vprints> or shall i just write fixed by riddell there ?
[01:00] <Riddell> oh, it is fixed
[01:00] <Riddell> phew, thought you were going to tell me it wasn't fixed :)
[01:01] <Riddell> set as fixed
[01:02] <vprints> thanks :)
[01:02] <vprints> and thanks fox fixing that
[01:25] <Riddell> hola morn|eri
[01:26] <morn|eri> hey
[01:27] <morn|eri> i have visited the kubuntu booth :)
[01:28] <Riddell> at linux tag?
[01:28] <morn|eri> yup
[01:28] <Riddell> did they recognise your fame?
[01:29] <morn|eri> nah, but they had adept running on the machine so i said i know that program (and why :-)
[01:29] <morn|eri> i'm wearing a redhat t-shirt though
[01:29] <morn|eri> so it's a bit odd
[01:29] <morn|eri> i'll have a kde one for tomorrow
[01:30] <Riddell> I'm working on a red hat article for the dot, so it's all good :)
[01:32] <mhb> Riddell: started bug 117731 we talked about a minute ago
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731
[01:34] <Riddell> mhb: can you send me some example code that has the problem?
[01:35] <mhb> Riddell: I'll push my latest changes, you can test it then
[01:35] <morn|eri_> there's a thing that sucks about wireless networks
[01:37] <morn|eri_> and having your home machine down because of electricity overhaul
[01:38] <Lure> Riddell: btw, python-qt4 test package works nicely with dbus/hal events - so we just need to wait to hit debian and then merge
[01:39] <Riddell> Lure: great
[01:42] <morn|eri_> eh, the xen talk is booring
[01:42] <Riddell> morn|eri_: got a camera to take photos?
[01:42] <morn|eri_> sure
[01:42] <Riddell> seeing the kubuntu and kde booths would be handy
[01:42] <morn|eri_> okey, i'll go over there in a while and take photos :-)
[01:49] <morn|eri_> Riddell: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/img_1789.jpg (and 1790 and 1791) are from before
[01:49] <morn|eri_> warning -- full resolution
[01:51] <Riddell> ooh, there's sebas
[01:51] <Riddell> although it looks more like a desk than a booth :)
[01:51] <morn|eri_> yup
[01:51] <morn|eri_> look at the second one
[01:51] <morn|eri_> with ossi
[01:53] <Riddell> morn|eri_: that's quite a step down from last year
[01:53] <Riddell> nice kubuntu poster, wonder who did that
[01:53] <Riddell> I've no idea who that is on the kubuntu stand
[01:53] <Riddell> but that happened when I was at linuxtag last year, lots of kubuntu people I never knew existed
[01:53] <morn|eri_> i don't know anyone of them
[01:54] <morn|eri_> apparently all are from kubuntu-de
[01:55] <vprints> The CD package looks great too
[01:58] <morn|eri> http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/lucka.jpg ;-) when i'm looking at the directory...
[02:05] <Riddell> now that's not linuxtag
[02:06] <morn|eri> and Riddell wins the observer of the monthh prize ;-)
[02:07] <morn|eri> well, i'll go and make some photos
[02:07] <morn|eri> will log on later, cya
[02:25] <JuJuBee> Riddell : that email address you gave me yesterday got bounced back as undeliverable.
[02:25] <Riddell> JuJuBee: which?
[02:25] <JuJuBee> simon at simonzone dot com
[02:26] <Riddell> err, really?
[02:26] <JuJuBee> Ype.
[02:26] <JuJuBee> Yep*
[02:26] <Riddell> that's definately his address
[02:26] <Riddell> _Sime_: poke poke ^^
[02:29] <JuJuBee> Where can I get some assistance with NIS?  Weird behavior...
[02:30] <_marseillais> mmmmmmmm am i allow to change an existing patch to solve a problem he add and in the same time change this same patch to solve another bug wich is a little bit related with the first one?
[02:30] <_marseillais> or i should make another patch?
[02:32] <ScottK> _marseillais: Is that patch an Ubuntu unique patch or is it from Debian?
[02:33] <_marseillais> an ubuntu
[02:34] <ScottK> OK, then in that case I'd say (in my non-expert opinion) you are free to edit the patch as long as you carefully document it in debian/changelog.
[02:34] <_marseillais> oki
[02:36] <_marseillais> because the first patch try (and fail) to resolve only half of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/45026 the normalize part and i was wondering if i should do another patch for the other part (emovix one)
[02:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:38] <ScottK> _marseillais: My major thought on the matter was that if it was a Debian patch you ought to leave it alone to make future merging easier.  In this case I'd say do whatever will be clearer to the next person to touch the package.
[02:38] <_marseillais> oki
[02:38] <_marseillais> so edit patch! :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> eveningall
[02:56] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[02:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> yay, injuries
[02:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you going to sync/merge kguitar?  it's got your name on it http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html
[02:56] <Hobbsee> er, cant type
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: mmm...yeah....
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm hoping that upstream will release a new version
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh, what's happening with knetworkmanager?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it will be a straight sync, last i looked, when upstream releases a new version, and debian packages it.  i'll have to look again, though
[03:00] <Hobbsee> didnt tonio_ say that upstream were releasing 0.2?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> so he was wanting to wait for that?
[03:01] <Riddell> that rings a bell
[03:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: our knm has networkstatus patch, not sure about debian
[03:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: 0.2 should be out soon, but no date yet
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's networkstatus supposed to do?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> it seems that the last few days, my uni wifi has been on crack - connecting to it
[03:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is the buggy stuff that makes your konqueror/kopete not working if knm is not aware about your network connection ;-)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> the fact that one cant acutlaly authenticate to it via the webpage shouldnt effect that?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahhh.  that stuff :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: it even sometimes works, too
[03:09] <Hobbsee> kopete will still try to connect, sometimes.
[03:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: it works if knm is managing connection or static IP ethernet, but does not work for PPP/dialup
[03:09] <Hobbsee> cue me killing 5 windows from it
[03:09] <Hobbsee> right
[03:09] <Hobbsee> s/works/mostly works/
[03:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: not all protocols in kopete have the support for it (yet)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:10] <Hobbsee> this'd be fairly standard - jabber, msn, yahoo, icq..
[03:12] <Riddell> Lure: you also have an entry on universe-manual (eqonomize)
[03:12] <Lure> Riddell: I can look into it tonight
[03:12] <Hobbsee> mmm....i remember uploading that package
[03:13] <Lure> Riddell: -manual are packages that were packaged from scratch for ubuntu, right?
[03:13] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[03:14] <Lure> Riddell: ryanakca might not be happy since his first package will be overriden by debian packaging ;-)
[03:18] <Riddell> he can always package more :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall
[03:25] <morn|eri_> afternoon Hobbsee
[03:25] <morn|eri_> well, whatever it is at your lattitude ;-)
[03:26] <morn|eri_> make that longitude
[03:26] <Hobbsee> it's almost midnight
[03:28] <morn|eri_> :-)
[03:48] <_marseillais> k3b devs really speak a langage different that mine...
[03:48] <Riddell> how's that?
[03:48] <_marseillais> their code
[03:48] <_marseillais> it's clear and clean
[03:49] <_marseillais> but it gives me headhache to understand it
[03:55] <Lure> Riddell: why is this build taking older (0.3.1) version of strigi build-dep then latest in repo (0.5.1), causing build to fail: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7879200/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.strigiapplet_0.5.1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:57] <Riddell> Lure: strigi 0.5 isn't in the archive, it's probably stuck in NEW for something
[03:58] <Hobbsee> it's in NEW, yes.
[03:58] <Lure> Riddell: true, it works here as I have locally build one ;-)
[03:59] <Lure> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=strigi
[03:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: is new regularly processed now, or not at all? (there are 186 packages waiting)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: depends - they cna cherry pick if needed
[04:14] <Lure> fabo: [16:10]  <seb128> Lure: any reason to have "libcluceneindex.so -> libcluceneindex.so.0" rather than to the real lib (libcluceneindex.so.0.5.1)?
[04:15] <pgoodall> kwwii: ping
[04:15] <Lure> fabo: nothing of major concern, just one symlink too many
[04:33] <kwwii> pgoodall: pong
[04:43] <pgoodall> kwwii: don't know if the /msg is working
[04:43] <pgoodall> kwwii: how are you?
[04:43] <kwwii> pgoodall: yeah, I think you have to have a registered nick to make that work
[04:43] <kwwii> pgoodall: doing well :-)
[04:43] <kwwii> pgoodall: and you?
[04:43] <pgoodall> pretty good
[04:44] <pgoodall> no longer w/ Novell :-)
[04:44] <kwwii> I heard about that
[04:44] <pgoodall> I was looking for your e-mail address
[04:44] <pgoodall> only have your mobile
[04:45] <kwwii><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:45] <repete> thx. :-)
[04:45] <repete> You going to this Ubuntu Live thing?
[04:46] <kwwii> nope, looks like I will be at another meeting
[04:46] <repete> ah...
[04:47] <kwwii> my life is filled with business trips these days :-(
[04:47] <repete> really?  Moved on from the artwork thing?  Or playing ambassador?
[04:47] <Riddell> he never was very good at artwork :)
[04:48] <repete> hehe
[04:48] <kwwii> still doing artwork stuff but doing it with other companies these days
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're not supposed to say that while he's around :P
[04:48] <kwwii> thanks Riddell
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I jest
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i know.  see the :P
[04:50] <kwwii> repete: actually, I have been working with tigert again - reminds me of old times :-)
[04:51] <repete> nice!
[04:51] <repete> haven't spoken with him in a while, but always enjoyed working with him
[04:51] <kwwii> now if I could only get him to leave nokia and join canonical ;-)
[05:06] <kwwii> repete: btw, my jabber account is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:08] <repete> cool.  Thx.
[05:08] <repete> looks like you are offline
[05:11] <asimon> Hello, the name convention for KDE3 widget styles is 'kde-style-name'. What about KDE4 styles? Should they be named kde4-style-name?  I ask because I want to package the qt4/kde4 version of qtcurve (for revu). Thanks.
[05:13] <Riddell> hi asimon, that convention comes from debian packagers.  there's no convention for kde 4 yet since no packages exist but that seems sensible
[05:14] <Riddell> asimon: also I wouldn't bother turning on the kde 4 bits yet, just the qt ones (but may as well call the package kde4- for when that does become sane to use)
[05:14] <kwwii> repete: funky, it shows me online :-(
[05:14] <asimon> Riddell: Okay, thanks.
[05:15] <repete> kwwii: try adding<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as a buddy
[05:16] <repete> that's on gmail hosted, so should work as a jabber account
[05:16] <kwwii> lol, great error message:  Your message could not be delivered: "ping?", Reason: ""
[05:16] <kwwii> miht be my client, one second
[05:17] <Riddell> repete: have you converted to KDE yet?
[05:17] <mhb> that's what jabber says when gmail account isn't online
[05:17] <mhb> kwwii: ^^
[05:17] <mhb> kwwii: rather: that's what the gmail server responds
[05:18] <repete> Riddell: nope.  :-/
[05:19] <repete> Riddell: you guys make some impressive stuff, but I just couldn't get used to it
[05:19] <Riddell> repete: humbug, well any day now I'm sure you will :)
[05:19] <repete> every now and again I give it a try
[05:19] <repete> anxiously awaiting kde4
[05:20] <repete> have to admit I'm quite addicted to the Computer menu in SUSE's GNOME
[05:20] <kwwii> repete: yeah, it says "404 error" in Gaim
[05:21] <repete> kwwii: I wasn't logged in as I was trying to configure gaim
[05:21] <repete> try again
[05:25] <kwwii> repete: no luck :-( you'd think I could figure this out
[05:26] <repete> computers are hard
[05:26] <repete> hehe
[05:26] <kwwii> in the good old days if we wanted to talk to someone we had to walk 8 miles through the snow to talk to them :p
[05:32] <ScottK> Up hill. ...  Both ways.
[05:33] <kwwii> *exactly*
[05:36] <kwwii> well, my yahoo account is kennethwesleywimer, maybe that works :p
[06:23] <Jucato> lol
[06:23] <Jucato> I just watched the Qt 4 dance this morning :)
[06:23] <nixternal> Jucato: that was just gas, that wasn't a qt4 dance ;p
[06:23] <Jucato> roflmao
[06:28] <JuJuBee> I still have not resolved my problem with User Management being broken.  Is there anyone that can help? Please...
[06:32] <Daskreech> JuJuBee: what was the problem?
[06:32] <JuJuBee> User manangement from kcontrol will not load.  Neither will userconfig from cli....
[06:32] <JuJuBee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23115/
[06:34] <Daskreech> which release?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> loads fine here...
[06:35] <Daskreech> Here too
[06:35] <JuJuBee> Feisty, just upgraded some packages yesterday morning
[06:35] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: did you get onto sebas, etc?
[06:35] <JuJuBee> Was working prior to the upgrade...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> were these 3.5.7 packages?
[06:35] <JuJuBee> or maybe I should say update?
[06:36] <Daskreech> How did the kde-guidance reintall go?
[06:36] <JuJuBee> Did not help.  Seemed to go fine...
[06:39] <JuJuBee> When I click on the user management link in kcontrol, it just gives me the welcome screen for kcontrol when you launch kcontrol.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: did you get onto sebas, etc?
[06:41] <JuJuBee> I spent the last week installing software and configuring this computer preparing to be imaged.  I will deploy this image to the rest of the computers in my classroom.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> were these 3.5.7 packages?
[06:42] <JuJuBee> How do I find out?  What is sebas?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> sebas is a person, usually in this channel
[06:42] <JuJuBee> No then.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> and you'd have to have a look at your sources.list
[06:42] <JuJuBee> let me go check.
[06:43] <yuriy> generally you'd only have kde 3.5.7 if you added it on purpose
[06:43] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:43] <yuriy> i thought sebas did powermanager and sime did the rest
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ahh.  not sure.  either will point to the correct person, though
[06:44] <Hobbsee> actually, that's probably right
[06:44] <JuJuBee> no mention of 3.5.7, I have not edited this file manually since installing feisty.
[06:45] <JuJuBee> Dont know what that is, so probably not.
[06:45] <yuriy> hmm so it's choking on your uid or something..
[06:45] <JuJuBee> Just using apt-get and adept
[06:46] <yuriy> what happens if you use python 2.4? (don't remember how to change it without uninstalling 2.5)
[06:47] <JuJuBee> Should I unistall it and install 2.4?
[06:47] <JuJuBee> Should I try to log in as root and test?
[06:47] <yuriy> hmm..were there any updates to guidance?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> ick, no.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> yuriy:
[06:48] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: you do odd things to your system doing that.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: try kdesu kcontrol, see if it comes up then
[06:48] <JuJuBee> K
[06:48] <Daskreech> yuriy: does he have a non standard UID?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yuriy: no.  only thing was adept, kernel update
[06:49] <yuriy> what do you mean "original exception was"?
[06:49] <yuriy> nvm it's the same thing anyway
[06:50] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: your username actually *has* sudo powers on that machine, doesnt it?
[06:51] <JuJuBee> Yes, it is supposed to and did have prior to this.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[06:51] <JuJuBee> My uid is 1000 and when I run kcontrol at cli, it throws a bunch of python 2.5 errors
[06:51] <Hobbsee> i have no idea.  i just want to sleep
[06:54] <nixternal> Riddell: I am trying to get the Kubuntu docs at least dual licensed
[06:54] <nixternal> it is killing me actually to be CC-by-SA and not GFDL or GPL to a point because i can't use any of the KDE docs
[06:54] <yuriy> JuJuBee: are there any lines in /etc/passwd that don't fit the format? (7 things separated by colons)
[06:54] <JuJuBee> How can I install python 2.4 to test?
[06:55] <nixternal> if the reason behind the license change was to be able to use the Official Book, that don't make sense, since the book is *ubuntu* only except for a small portion (i.e., chapter 7)
[06:55] <JuJuBee> I will go look...
[06:55] <nixternal> jjesse: you see that?
[06:56] <nixternal> it is my fault for not following those discussions a little more closely
[06:59] <JuJuBee> yuriy : passwd looks fine...
[07:01] <yuriy> JuJuBee: that's the only thing i can think of.  would you mind pastebinning it?
[07:03] <JuJuBee> The passwd file?
[07:03] <yuriy> yeah
[07:03] <JuJuBee> give me a min...
[07:05] <Daskreech> yuriy: that's so cool :)
[07:06] <yuriy> Daskreech: hmm?
[07:07] <JuJuBee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23290
[07:07] <Daskreech> you can pastebin something called the passwd file and your system is still secure
[07:07] <Daskreech>  *hugs UNIX*
[07:07] <yuriy> oh, yeah :)
[07:08] <yuriy> JuJuBee: the last line in there
[07:08] <yuriy> can't imagine how it got there, but delete that line and you should be fine
[07:08] <JuJuBee> Im using NIS for student logins.
[07:08] <JuJuBee> Has been there since I installed feisty and nis from getgo
[07:09] <yuriy> and userconfig worked before? looks to me like it would definitely choke on that. if that's valid, then that would be a bug in userconfig, unless i'm missing something
[07:09] <JuJuBee> Yes, worked before...
[07:10] <xerosis> are koepte bugs filed against kdenetwork?
[07:10] <fdoving> JuJuBee: if you edit passwd, make sure to use 'vipw' to do so. it does some checks before actually replacing the file.
[07:10] <yuriy> xerosis: yes
[07:11] <JuJuBee> Oh, I been using pico or kedit...
[07:11] <xerosis> yuriy: how come it lets you file them against kopete?
[07:11] <yuriy> xerosis: for earlier releases i think.. unless it changed again
[07:11] <fdoving> xerosis: there once was a separate source-package named kopete.
[07:11] <JuJuBee> I don't know how to use vi
[07:12] <xerosis> ah ok, makes sense
[07:12] <fdoving> JuJuBee: it doesn't use vi, it uses your preferred editor, set by the update-alternatives resouce 'editor' (nano on ubuntu systems by default).
[07:12] <fdoving> vim on my system :)
[07:12] <JuJuBee> OK
[07:13] <Daskreech> emacs :-)
[07:14] <JuJuBee> OK,I removed the line with +:::::: from the end of /etc/passwd and tried kcontrol and still same behavior.  When it opens and I click on User Management, I get the same thing on the right as I do when I open kcontrol.
[07:15] <yuriy> JuJuBee: how about when you run userconfig?
[07:16] <JuJuBee> Same as before, bunch of errors about kde-guidance
[07:16] <fdoving> JuJuBee: might want to check out 'vipw -s' to edit the shadow file, might have an bogus entry aswell.
[07:16] <yuriy> JuJuBee: same errors, including the one with self._uid = int(self._uid) ValueError
[07:16] <yuriy> ?
[07:17] <JuJuBee> Not uid, gid...
[07:17] <yuriy> oh, interesting
[07:17] <fdoving> is the error some where on a pastebin or something ?
[07:18] <yuriy> fdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23115/
[07:18] <JuJuBee> Thanks, was just about to
[07:19] <fdoving> that is feisty?
[07:19] <JuJuBee> BRB : fire drill
[07:19] <yuriy> JuJuBee:can you paste the new error? is it gid at line 1019 or somewhere else?
[07:39] <JuJuBee> Well, thats a problem.  I removed the last line from /etc/group (+:::) as well as passwd and now it works.
[07:39] <JuJuBee> This will cause a problem for NIS as I understand it.
[07:40] <JuJuBee> yuriy : still want the paste?
[07:44] <Lure> Riddell: eqonomize sync requested - bug 117805
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117805 in eqonomize "sync eqonomize 0.4-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117805
[07:44] <Riddell> nice
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell: if orig.gz is same, then sync should be ok for -manual, right?
[07:45] <Riddell> Lure: sure
[07:46] <Riddell> so long as md5sums match
[07:49] <JuJuBee> Now what do I do about using NIS?  NIS needs the +:::::: at the end of /etc/passwd and +::: at the end of /etc/group
[07:50] <Riddell> JuJuBee: so the problem is caused by the NIS line?
[07:51] <JuJuBee> Seem that way. I removed those lines and now userconfig and user management work fine.
[07:51] <Riddell> JuJuBee: ah well, that'll be a bug then :)
[07:52] <JuJuBee> I Kinda need NIS...
[07:52] <JuJuBee> Sucks for me ...
[07:53] <fdoving> write a patch then.
[07:53] <JuJuBee> Way beyond me...
[07:53] <fdoving> is that line always at the end of the file?
[07:54] <JuJuBee> Yes.
[07:54] <fdoving> can't be that hard to make userconfig ignore the last line.
[07:55] <JuJuBee> Where is the source for userconfig ?
[07:55] <fdoving> apt-get source it.
[07:57] <Riddell> kde-guidance
[07:57] <Riddell> trunk is in KDE SVN
[07:59] <JuJuBee> when I apt-get -d source kde-guidance, where is it stored?
[08:00] <Jucato> current directory (-d is redundant)
[08:00] <JuJuBee> found it
[08:00] <JuJuBee> what is the .dsc file?
[08:04] <Riddell> JuJuBee: description.  dpkg-source -x *dsc  will extract the package
[08:05] <Riddell> JuJuBee: although you are probably better off not worrying about building the package and just editing the /usr/bin/userconfig file
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: digikam 0.9.2beta2 is in debian - will work on merge
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: will need you to sponsor upload
[08:12] <Daskreech> hunger: Hey
[08:13] <Riddell> Lure: can do
[08:13] <Riddell> glatzor: do you have the patch for displayconfig backend?
[08:14] <glatzor> Riddell: which one?
[08:14] <Riddell> glatzor: all of them :)
[08:15] <glatzor> I keep my patches in the patches folder of the displayconfig-gtk source repository
[08:15] <Riddell> glatzor: I'm splitting guidance package into guidance-backend
[08:15] <glatzor> Riddell: Cool!
[08:15] <glatzor> Riddell: pitti has got a patch to use tabs instead of spaces in the backend
[08:16] <glatzor> since ubuntu uses tabs for the indention
[08:16] <glatzor> https://code.launchpad.net/~displayconfig-gtk/displayconfig-gtk/ubuntu
[08:16] <Riddell> got it
[08:22] <fdoving> Riddell: did you consider dropping the tabs in system settings and display everything on the first page?
[08:23] <Riddell> fdoving: tab tabs or the things down the side?
[08:24] <Riddell> can't say we have
[08:24] <fdoving> Riddell: remove the "general" and "advanced" options.
[08:24] <Riddell> oh, well, we only added them in edgy
[08:25] <fdoving> ok, I hope they disappear in gutsy :)
[08:27] <Daskreech> I just want two things
[08:27] <Daskreech> To be able to navigate by keyboard
[08:28] <Daskreech> (very annoying to try and configure the mouse when there is no mouse)
[08:28] <Daskreech>  and when you search for something tab only goes through the ones highlighted
[08:34] <jovans> i am going now to testing gutsy i have burned the alternate cd one questing are there problem using a few feisty packages on gutsy or generally no problem?
[08:35] <Riddell> they may not install
[08:37] <jovans> so fesity packages not work on gutsy too diferent or what u mean?
[08:38] <Lure> Riddell: ups, we need libkdcraw MIR first for digikam
[08:38] <Lure> Riddell: this is just extracted code from digima
[08:38] <Lure> Riddell: this is just extracted code from digikam
[08:38] <Riddell> bother
[08:39] <xerosis> i can't seem to find the bug relating to scripts not working in mounted drives, am i going mad?
[08:39] <Lure> Riddell: will do, and libexiv2 0.14 needs to pass NEW
[08:46] <jjesse> wow only 475 packages upgraded in a feisty -> gutsy move :)
[08:48] <nixternal> jjesse: we are still young yet
[08:48] <jjesse> yeah i know, i just thought it would be more
[08:53] <jovans> so i have tried to install the gutsy daily alternate cd for testing only but don't works  there are difference betwenn modules in the kernel that is load at start and in the pool tree
[08:53] <jovans> so
[08:54] <nixternal> ya, don't expect the CDs to work for a bit yet...they aren't getting love and probably won't until we prepare for our first pre-release
[09:00] <marseillai> Riddell: a question. Is it a good way to merge to take the debian package and adapt it to include what ubuntu packages has as improvment ?
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: that what I usually do
[09:28] <marseillai> oki
[09:28] <marseillai> so normally i should have finish merging k3b this afternoon
[09:28] <Daskreech> jovans: do a feisty install and dist-upgrade
[09:29] <nixternal> Riddell: going to have a hell of a time trying to get a double license w/o any solid evidence of needing it
[09:30] <Daskreech> Hmm
[09:30] <Daskreech> what does alt+<- do in Kopete?
[09:40] <Lure_> Riddell: can you review? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibKdcraw
[09:40] <Lure_> marseillai: I am currently working on digikam merge (have seen your bug)
[09:41] <marseillai> Lure_: for what i've seen there are no regression with digikam but i'm not sure
[09:41] <marseillai> if it was me i would have just change changelog
[09:41] <marseillai> but as i just sayed i'm absolutly not sure
[09:41] <marseillai> and i would be happy to see your debdiff when it's done Lure_
[09:42] <Lure_> marseillai: it is only one Depends and one additional patch (which I will commit to KDE svn now, so we get it in final)
[09:42] <Lure_> marseillai: will let you know
[09:42] <Lure_> marseillai: I will also include one post-Beta2 fix from svn
[09:46] <Daskreech> anyone heard of LINA?
[09:46] <Riddell> Lure_: looks fine
[09:46] <Lure_> Riddell: thanks for review
[09:47] <Riddell> Lure_: although now I think about it, it's possible they'll be happy to just put it into main since it was previously part of another package in main
[09:48] <jovans> so dist-upgrade not works
[09:48] <Lure_> Riddell: yep, I will ping pitti tommorow and buildd-admin (as we need to get exiv2 and libkdcraw past NEW)
[09:49] <jovans> i dont know hy the error message "U are not allowd to upgrade to gutsy because u are using a newer version than 7.10"
[09:49] <jovans> what is that?
[09:49] <jovans> hm
[09:50] <Riddell> Lure_: you want ubuntu-archive not buildd-admin
[09:50] <jovans> lsb_release says as follows:
[09:50] <jovans> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[09:50] <jovans> Description:    Ubuntu 8.04
[09:50] <jovans> Release:        7.04 Pre
[09:50] <jovans> Codename:       feisty
[09:50] <Lure_> Riddell: right, I need buildd-admin for strigiapplet give-back ;-)
[09:51] <jovans> what i have for a release?
[10:09] <Daskreech> jovans: How .. blast!
[10:22] <Lure_> marseillai: this should be digikam merge debdiff: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/digikam-debian.debdiff
[10:22] <Lure_> marseillai: you can ignore last patch (that is additional fix from KDE SVN)
[10:25] <ryanakca> Lure_: pitty :(
[10:25] <marseillai> lure oki i look this and try to understand what you've done! i'm not very good at merging
[10:27] <Lure> marseillai: best is to start with debian package and understand ubuntu differences and re-apply if they still make sense
[10:27] <Lure> marseillai: in this particular case, quite some ubuntu changes were included either in KDE SVN or by debian
[10:27] <marseillai> where i have some problem is when ubuntu package is base on upstream and not on debian package
[10:28] <mhb> I just wondered ... can't we do a simple k3b mp3 codecs install dialog as we do for amarok?
[10:28] <Lure> marseillai: digikam is not such case, as we are pretty alligned - allee does most work on both sides ;-)
[10:28] <Lure> marseillai: but sometimes we are just faster then debian (due to freezes and similar)
[10:29] <Lure> Riddell: merged digikam sources are here: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/
[10:29] <Lure> I have build them locally (you need to apt-get source exiv2 libkdcraw and compile + install)
[10:30] <Lure> just to satisfy build-dep (they are in binary NEW queue)
[10:30] <Lure> Riddell: I think you can upload, it will just bi in "Dependancy Wait" state until we get NEW accept + MIR approved
[10:41] <ryanakca> Should I add to tomorrow's agenda a poll to see if people are still interested in the eGroupWare server I offered to setup?
[10:41] <ryanakca> or just assume that they are :P
[10:43] <mhb> ryanakca: you can use the time to set it up, instead :o)
[10:46] <ryanakca> mhb: elmo said he'd look into a groupware.kubuntu.org, but no garantees... I'm just waiting to see if it's a yes or a no...
[10:51] <glatzor> Riddell: could you patch the backend to use the MonitorsDB from hwdata and the pci table (pci.ids) from pciutils?
[10:52] <glatzor> glatzor: Currently the data gets shipped twice
[11:07] <marseillai> Lure: did you look at my debdiff for digikam ?
[11:08] <Lure> marseillai: yep, but it had bunch of translation diffs which were wrongly put in by MoM
[11:08] <marseillai> Lure: i added a second one
[11:08] <marseillai> without this
[11:09] <Lure> marseillai: bug id?
[11:09] <marseillai> the same
[11:09] <marseillai> wait
[11:09] <marseillai> Lure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/117457
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117457 in digikam "sync digikam from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[11:10] <Lure> marseillai: digikam-svn-r649833.diff is already included in original package
[11:11] <Lure> marseillai: and 11-add-service-menu-translations.diff had to be reworked as it did not apply
[11:11] <Lure> marseillai: did you try to build package?
[11:11] <marseillai> i must tell that no
[11:11] <marseillai> i didn't
[11:12] <Lure> marseillai: you should always try to build in chroot/pbuilder before requesting sync
[11:12] <marseillai> oki now i know
[11:12] <Lure> marseillai: you do not want to get a blush after the build on build farm fails ;-)
[11:12] <Lure> marseillai: np, we all went through that ;-)
[11:16] <Lure> marseillai: it depends - some merges are simple, some are pain-in-the-xxx
[11:19] <Riddell> Lure: looking at digikam
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: btw, we will have some transition issues though with other photo apps
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: due to exiv2 change from 0.12 -> 0.14
[11:26] <Riddell> Lure: uploading
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell:  we will have to re-upload several apps to pick up new version
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: I will upload digikam-doc (universe) soon
[11:30] <ScottK> Lure: Why is digikam-doc still in universe when digikam is in main?  That seems odd to me...
[11:31] <Lure> ScottK: agree
[11:31] <Lure> ScottK: do you want to write MIR?
[11:31] <Lure> ;-)
[11:31] <ScottK> Maybe.
[11:31] <ScottK> No promises
[11:31] <Lure> ScottK: it should be easy ;-)
[11:31] <Lure> emphasis on "should" ;-)
[11:32] <Riddell> remember that our DVD was oversized for feisty
[11:32] <ScottK> Not everything in Main goes on the DVD does it?
[11:32] <Lure> Riddell: really?
[11:33] <Lure> Riddell: I recall couple of releases back we had 1 GB left or similar...
[11:33] <Riddell> Lure: I had to remove a bunch of things like linux-debug
[11:33] <Riddell> ScottK: just kubuntu desktop and supported seeds
[11:33] <Riddell> and those below
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: we will need to retire digikamimageplugins (now part of digikam) - who does that?
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: will merge kipi-plugins now
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: will do that as soon digikam is built and in archives
[12:15] <Lure> Riddell: kipi-plugins need sync - can you approve bug 117858
[12:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117858 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.3-5 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117858


[00:16] <Sarvatt> well glxgears and friends were moved out of mesa now
[00:28] <Sarvatt> anyone up for debianizing it? :D
[00:46] <Sarvatt> well dropped it from the mesa packaging for now so things at least build
[00:53] <Sarvatt> any ideas on how to debianize mesa/demos? mesa-demos package that provides mesa-utils? still only ship the 4 demos?
[00:54] <Sarvatt> now that is a crapload of warnings building this
[01:04] <jg> ping bryceh
[01:05] <bryceh> jg, what?
[01:06] <jg> bryceh: there are some patches in the xorg bugzilla for my edp problem to try out.  What's the easiest way to get something that I might be able to get installed on this new laptop of mine? is there some way to easily spin an installation, say by updating a package on a USB key, by any chance?
[01:06] <Sarvatt> argh half these tests crash the server
[01:07] <Sarvatt> (in xdemos)
[01:09] <bryceh> jg, yeah probably.  I'm not working on xorg now though, so you probably should check with RAOF if you need to have patches packaged into debs for your testing.  I think he's away for the weekend though.
[01:09] <jg> bryceh: ok, I'll check Monday.
[01:09] <jg> bryceh: thanks.
[01:10] <bryceh> jg, no prob
[11:56] <Duke`> ati/radeon driver is in bad shape for R200 these days... the screen is all blurry o_O
[16:34] <Sarvatt> craploads of packaging changes needed for nvidia 256.25
[16:42] <Sarvatt> hmm maybe not
[17:14] <Sarvatt> just a bunch of changes to account for the new source layout and the dropping of -pkgX it looks like so far, test building it here - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/nouveau
[18:21] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, the names of all of the shared libs have changed
[18:21] <bjsnider> and so all of the links have to be changed too
[18:25] <Sarvatt> it already installs the new named ones though
[18:26] <bjsnider> cool
[18:26] <bjsnider> i wonder i the changelog they've provided is really comprehensive
[18:26] <bjsnider> there must be a lot of changes to the code that's shared between platforms, and that is 90% of it
[18:27] <bjsnider> it's disappointing to see that they did not add randr1.2 support, and it doesn't say they fixed the hdmi audio issue
[18:27] <bjsnider> also we were expecting fixes to gnome-shell issues
[18:43] <Sarvatt> a little annoying how everything is in the root directory and /kernel/ after extracting it now, have to manually install everything to the right place
[18:54] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: I saw a comment from you that meego has a newer source for the PSB drivers that might be all open for the 2d driver, did you try packaging it?
[18:57] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, yes and why separate the one tls file like that? and why have an empty 32/vdpau directory?
[19:32] <hyperair> Sarvatt: how does one go about getting nouveau+coompiz working?


[01:27] <jmg> guys the display applet is busted
[01:27] <jmg> system settings -> display
[01:28] <jmg> it should be able to change res?
[01:28] <jmg> is there an x extension i need to load?
[06:48] <Hy_BoT> Does anybody have idea when 5.10 final version is planned to be released??????????
[12:07] <pef> hello
[12:07] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:07] <Tm_T> ah, you can
[12:07] <Tm_T> 't hate Hy_BoT
[02:44] <Tm_T> got an idea
[02:44] <Tm_T> why not have link to website in desktop by default
[02:45] <Tm_T> website that holding link collection of howtopages etc
[02:45] <Tm_T> so new users find immediately first way to help themself ?


[07:33] <sil2100> didrocks: why did some merges get inside unity?
[07:33] <sil2100> (hi)
[07:34] <sil2100> didrocks: hi, aren't we in a freeze in unity? ;)
[07:35] <didrocks> sil2100: we are
[07:35] <sil2100> didrocks: since, hm, we'll have to re-do the tests again, since 4 new commits are in :)
[07:36] <didrocks> sil2100: I know :( but they UNBLOCK them
[07:36] <didrocks> sil2100: well, TBH, when it's tests only, that's fine, no need to
[07:36] <didrocks> sil2100: but for the 2 others, yeah :/
[07:36] <sil2100> didrocks: two of them fix actual bugs...
[07:36] <sil2100> didrocks: the problem is, I should be on holiday now ;)
[07:36] <didrocks> oh?
[07:37] <didrocks> bank holiday or real holidays?
[07:37] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, I just thought that I'll log in, roll-out the tarball and done
[07:37] <sil2100> didrocks: it's my holiday week, I booked it some time ago ;p
[07:38] <didrocks> sil2100: well, blame PS upstream… :/
[07:38] <didrocks> they should ask you for UNBLOCKING
[07:38] <didrocks> sil2100: the armhf FTBFS isn't important btw, seems to have been transiant
[07:38] <didrocks> as the next commit built successfully
[07:38] <didrocks> in case you wondered :)
[07:52] <didrocks> sil2100: btw, you should look at
[07:52] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-2d/bump_new_nux_libunity/+merge/113563
[07:52] <didrocks> as well
[07:54] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, he can't find nux-3.0?
[07:54] <seb128> sil2100, popey: there are 3 bugs on the compiz SRU that didn't get verified, would be nice to get them verified so it can move to -updates...
[07:54] <seb128> sil2100, popey: but probably not for sil2100 if he's supposed to be on holidays
[07:55] <sil2100> seb128: we'll check that
[07:55] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, seems a packaging issue as the package isn't merged :)
[07:55] <seb128> sil2100, enjoy your holidays btw ;-)
[07:55] <davidcalle> sil2100, hi, quick question about Unity 6. I'm reviewing packaging changes for third party lenses: gir1.2-unity-5.0 -> 6.0 , and a new path for those depending on Unity icons, right?
[07:55] <didrocks> davidcalle: yeah, you need to change both of those
[07:55] <sil2100> davidcalle: yes
[07:55] <sil2100> seb128: thanks, I will :)
[07:56] <davidcalle> didrocks, sil2100 thanks.
[08:03] <popey> seb128, roger that
[08:03] <popey> (morning btw)
[08:36] <MCR> smspillaz: Hi. It will take a while until I get to testing the Experimental PPA...
[08:36] <MCR> smspillaz: Which IDE do you recommend to hack on Compiz/Unity ?
[08:37] <smspillaz> MCR: Qt Creator
[08:37] <smspillaz> MCR: don't worry too much about it, there are many things that are still broken :)
[08:37] <MCR> smspillaz: Thx 4 the fast answer - I will try that :)
[08:38] <smspillaz> MCR: Some people use Sublime Text too, but I've never been able to get it to work just right
[08:38] <MCR> smspillaz: Just wanted to let you know I have not forgotten my promise ;)
[08:38] <smspillaz> :)
[08:38] <smspillaz> thanks in advance
[08:38] <smspillaz> I need more caffiene
[08:39] <MCR> np, I am honored to help.
[08:40] <MCR> me too ;)
[08:46] <MCR> smspillaz: There are some weird things regarding the keyconfig happening in recent 0.9.8 versions. For example it is impossible to have Alt+RightMousebutton toggle window maximize, like I had here for ages - it will always show the window menu here. Any idea what change might have caused this ?
[08:50] <smspillaz> MCR: not off the top of my head sorry
[08:54] <MCR> np, I know your priority is OpenGL ES now. I will try to file comprehensive bug reports to detail the situation.
[08:54] <MCR> But I think it might be related to Unizy/Compiz not sharing all information about shortcuts, like is happening with Ctrl+Tab for example, which is already in fixed use by Unity, but CCSM does not know about it.
[08:55] <hyperair> could be unity. unity's keyboard shortcut handling is scary
[08:55] <MCR> It has to be unified with Compiz/CCSM or otherwise it will be chaos
[08:56] <MCR> like it is now, when Unity assigns keys Compiz does not know about...
[08:56] <hyperair> well to my knowledge, unity only really inteferes with super keybindings
[08:56] <MCR> All keycombis regarding Unity should be configurable in the Unity plug-in, none should be hardcoded imho
[08:57] <MCR> otherwise Compiz does not know and will not warn if the same hardcoded keycombis are assigned to other tasks in CCSM
[09:01] <MCR> bug 1017539 for example - Could someone tell me where the keycombinations are assogned in the Unity/Compiz code ? Then I could probably work on fixing that issue with Ctrl+Tab and maybe others...
[10:03] <MCR> unityshell.cpp, line 348ff: ubus_manager_.RegisterInterest(UBUS_LAUNCHER_START_KEY_SWTICHER, ?
[10:03] <MCR> line 354: ubus_manager_.RegisterInterest(UBUS_LAUNCHER_END_KEY_SWTICHER,
[10:04] <MCR> line 357: ubus_manager_.RegisterInterest(UBUS_SWITCHER_START,
[10:49] <MCR> smspillaz: Qt Creator is very nice - I am already getting used to it - Is there a project file for the Compiz/Unity project available somewhere also ?
[10:54] <MCR> btw, I found the cause of a quite big problem in the Unity plug-in. A lot of shortcuts for Unity are hardcoded and exactly those shortcuts are not recognized by Compiz and the CCSM, so you can easily double-bind them leading to strange behavior...
[10:55] <MCR> in unityshell.cpp 2990ff you can find the hardcoded options which are completely "invisible" for the check in CCSM
[10:57] <MCR> Combinations like Ctrl+Tab, Alt + Space, Ctrl+Alt+Num are hardcoded there. Is there a reason to do that ?
[12:19] <MCR> StandaloneShortcuts.cpp in line 78 says:
[12:20] <MCR>   // I don't know std::shared_ptr<shortcut::AbstractHint>(if it is really hardcoded, but I can't find where this option is stored.
[12:20] <MCR>   hints.push_back(std::shared_ptr<shortcut::AbstractHint>(new shortcut::MockHint(_("Windows"), "", "", _("Open window accessibility menu."), shortcut::HARDCODED_OPTION, "Alt+Space")));
[12:21] <MCR> ^^ this option is stored in General Compiz Options, Key Bindings !
[12:27] <MCR> smspillaz: Could you confirm that this will most likely produce problems ? ^^
[12:53] <MCR> hyperair: Reading more of the code makes me agree - scary indeed :)
[13:11] <didrocks> popey: any news on the unity release?
[13:12] <popey> didrocks, we're on a call about it now.
[13:13] <popey> didrocks, doing some confirmation checkbox tests
[13:13] <popey> should be good
[13:13] <didrocks> sweet! :)
[13:26] <sil2100> didrocks: we're finishing tests, all green up until now
[13:26] <sil2100> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1YE7rQa4xxpU176Uth41lnFX8Et-8BG6UKBqelbapLyU/edit#
[13:28] <didrocks> sil2100: really, after the release, send to the PS ML the status of failing autopilot tests which works manually, that would be valuable to fix them
[13:28] <didrocks> and less time consuming :)
[13:30] <sil2100> didrocks: will do for sure... ;)
[13:31] <sil2100> Since grepping for test descriptions all the time is really test consuming
[13:31] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, I know :/
[13:36] <sil2100> didrocks: if anything, popey and Mirv are taking care of the release right now - but all the packaging/source branches are prepared
[13:37] <sil2100> didrocks: Mirv has the list of those
[13:37] <didrocks> sweet :)
[13:37] <didrocks> bugs are targeted?
[13:37] <sil2100> didrocks: I even pushed the unity branch for ubuntu, but without the proper changelog (waiting for that for your unify ;) )
[13:37] <sil2100> didrocks: yes :)
[13:37] <didrocks> great :)
[13:37] <sil2100> Ah, wait, I'll check the 2 new bugs!
[13:37] <sil2100> THe ones that were fixed today
[13:37] <didrocks> so they will do the merge-upstream in the packaging branch, the new tarball?
[13:38] <didrocks> or will you do that now? I didn't follow :)
[13:38] <didrocks> also, tell me when you want me to run unify
[13:38] <sil2100> didrocks: I already did merge-upstream for unity with the new tarball, but didn't have the changelog yet
[13:39] <sil2100> So the changelog modification needs to be made yet
[13:39] <didrocks> ah, so just that
[13:39] <didrocks> yep
[13:39] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/ubuntu_quantal
[13:39] <sil2100> Here it is
[13:40] <didrocks> sil2100: looks good at first sight
[13:40] <didrocks> can you pastebin all the branches url, already?
[13:40] <sil2100> Mirv knows where I put the tarballs, he'll send you them later when needed
[13:40] <sil2100> Ok
[13:40] <didrocks> sil2100: when will he send me that? it's not ready for releasing now?
[13:40] <sil2100> (since I put them on chinstrap, since that was the fastest way)
[13:40] <sil2100> I can give you the chinstrap url ;p
[13:40] <didrocks> he should put them on LP :)
[13:40] <sil2100> On priv
[13:41] <didrocks> rather
[13:41] <didrocks> and mark new upstreams as released
[13:41] <sil2100> Do we have permission for that? We didn't do that yet since the tests are not finished
[13:41] <didrocks> or I can do it for speeding up the process, but next time, it will be your turn
[13:42] <didrocks> ah ok, I thought they were done
[13:42] <didrocks> sil2100: still, give me the tarball, I'll build that there to ensure we can release quickly once I have the definitive green flag
[13:42] <didrocks> so branches and tarballs
[13:42] <Mirv> we're running the checkbox tests now
[13:44] <sil2100> didrocks: aye aye
[13:44] <sil2100> didrocks: branches http://paste.ubuntu.com/1082762/
[13:45] <didrocks> thanks
[13:45] <sil2100> Ok, I need to pop out for a little while, I'll be back later
[13:46] <sil2100> See you guys a bit later
[14:03] <Mirv> ok, running the most crucial test (quicklist, all of dash, all of hud) done, fginther will run more. earlier today I re-ran manual tests.
[14:04] <Mirv> I need to leave now, will be back 9.30pm (4.5 hours)
[15:05] <didrocks> popey: so it means no release today?
[15:10] <MCR> Here the fixes for minor typos I found: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix-typos/+merge/113987
[15:33] <om26er> does it make sense to still keep unity-2d "feature bugs" ?
[15:34] <om26er> I guess new features won't be added to -2d right?
[15:39] <didrocks> om26er: indeed
[15:39] <didrocks> maintenance only
[15:40] <om26er> didrocks, ok, thanks. I'll close a few of them if they come along the way.
[15:40] <seb128> popey, still there?
[15:40] <didrocks> ok :)
[15:41] <popey> on the phone..
[15:42] <seb128> popey, what's the status of the updates?
[15:42] <seb128> popey, we need to get the SRUs out this week, and for that we need to get the quantal updates out first
[15:42] <didrocks> davidcalle: hey, did sil2100 updated unity-scope-video-remote as well?
[15:42] <didrocks> davidcalle: for the path
[15:43] <davidcalle> didrocks, no path issue in this one. Icons are provided by the lens.
[15:43] <didrocks> davidcalle: ah good :)
[16:06] <MCR> Some proofreading would be nice, as
[16:06]  * MCR is no native English speaking person either ;) : https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix-typos/+merge/113987
[16:08] <popey> didrocks, sorry, been on the phone most of the afternoon, I understood you had the release. what do you need from us now?
[16:08] <didrocks> popey: hum?
[16:08] <didrocks> popey: no, I didn't have any release
[16:08] <didrocks> seems that sil2100 told all the tests are not finished
[16:08] <didrocks> and Mirv left for the day
[16:08] <didrocks> until 9pm
[16:08] <didrocks> so it means no release
[16:09] <didrocks> popey: btw, it's been an hour I'm fixing some packaging issues (in addition to all the other I fixed already)
[16:09] <didrocks> some stuff like making a diff of configure.ac,in, CMakeLists.txt that I repeated numerous times already :p
[16:09] <mhr3> didrocks, speaking about icons, seems like noone really complained about getting rid of the version numbers
[16:10] <mhr3> so let's do it?!
[16:10] <didrocks> mhr3: yeah, just after the release :)
[16:10] <mhr3> sure
[16:10] <didrocks> let's try to get some tarballs out
[16:10] <didrocks> but still blocking in PS here :/
[16:10] <mhr3> i didn't want to do it right away
[16:11] <didrocks> mhr3: but agreed, let's do that just after it, will be a breath :)
[16:11] <mhr3> we'll see about that :)
[16:13] <didrocks> popey: please keep me posted
[16:13] <popey> will do
[16:14] <didrocks> thanks
[16:16] <didrocks> popey: btw, if people merge anything again to trunk, all has to be redone, maybe you want to ask them to merge and UNBLOCK no branch on the ML?
[16:16] <didrocks> popey: as it seems we won't have a release today :/
[17:22] <didrocks> popey: ? ^
[17:22]  * didrocks would like to have a followed discussion :/
[17:38] <sil2100> Hi
[17:39] <sil2100> didrocks: did Timo ask you to run unify?
[17:39] <didrocks> sil2100: no, he didn't finish the tests apparently
[17:39] <sil2100> didrocks: are all the branches OK?
[17:39] <didrocks> sil2100: I had to change quite a few things
[17:40] <sil2100> Sorry about that, but I thought I did all the things you pointed out last time
[17:40] <didrocks> missing removed dependencies (you didn't bzr diff CmakeLists.txt in unity :/) and other Breaks: and removing transitional packages missing
[17:40] <didrocks> all is updated
[17:40] <didrocks> also, I don't have the nux trunk branch
[17:40] <sil2100> Ah, nux trunk, wait
[17:40] <didrocks> but anyway, the biggest blocker is to not have all tests done
[17:40] <sil2100> didrocks: I'm using the nux trunk
[17:41] <sil2100> didrocks: no new commits
[17:41] <didrocks> sil2100: you didn't tag the release?
[17:41] <sil2100> didrocks: since the version got bumped by Jay's merge already...
[17:41] <sil2100> didrocks: what should I tag? make dist doesn't tag in nux
[17:42] <sil2100> didrocks: and there was no 'release commit' needed, since I have nothing to bump there
[17:42] <didrocks> sil2100: well, you have to do it manually when it's not done automatically
[17:42] <didrocks> sil2100: bzr tag latest version then
[17:42] <sil2100> Since everything had been bumped already :/ So I'll just tag the last commit
[17:42] <didrocks> so that dev knows which version is which
[17:42] <didrocks> and then bzr push
[17:43] <sil2100> Doing
[17:44] <didrocks> thanks :)
[17:44] <didrocks> not a biggie, the branch history won't juts get cleaned
[17:45] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/nux/nux_3.0 <- could you ACK?
[17:45] <sil2100> I'm trying to reach Francis if he finished the tests
[17:45] <sil2100> But maybe he's on lunch or something...
[17:45] <didrocks> sil2100: juts bzr push :)
[17:45] <didrocks> to trunk
[17:46] <didrocks> sil2100: anyway, I'm working for more than 12 hours now, I won't push that today
[17:46] <didrocks> sil2100: you need to send an email to ensure that the PS team won't UNBLOCK anything tonight
[17:46] <didrocks> even tests, it will screw the branches
[17:46] <sil2100> didrocks: ok... will do that, thanks! :)
[17:46] <sil2100> Have a nice rest :)
[17:46] <sil2100> btw. did you push the 6.0 tag to unity yet?
[17:47] <sil2100> Can I push it as well?
[17:47] <didrocks> sil2100: you can push it if the tests are fine
[17:47] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK
[17:57] <sil2100> didrocks: it seems only multimonitor tests are left to do \o/
[17:58] <didrocks> sil2100: well, not your fault, but I would have expected those to be done by now
[17:58] <didrocks> anyway, will be tomorrow, you did your max on an off day :)
[17:58] <didrocks> let's hope next one will be more efficient ;)
[17:58] <sil2100> I hope so too! Since I learned a lot during this release
[17:58] <didrocks> sil2100: enjoy your holidays ;)
[17:59] <didrocks> and send that email please :)
[17:59] <sil2100> Will do, if you need me in the next days:
[17:59] <sil2100> Just ping Alan and he'll ping me through phone or other medium
[17:59] <sil2100> And if I'll be able, I'll pop up somehow :)
[17:59] <sil2100> didrocks: have a nice rest-of-the-day!
[17:59] <didrocks> sil2100: good, hoping it won't be needed!
[17:59] <didrocks> sil2100: thanks :)
[18:01] <jaytaoko1> sil2100: ping
[18:01] <jaytaoko1> sil2100: hello
[18:01] <jaytaoko1> didrocks: hello
[18:02] <didrocks> jaytaoko1: hey
[18:03]  * didrocks will never be able to sign off…
[18:03] <jaytaoko1> didrocks: :-D I don't have a question for you. was just saying hi!
[18:04] <didrocks> jaytaoko1: oh, I was getting frightned! I'm running as long as I can then ;)
[18:04] <didrocks> jaytaoko1: see you tomorrow! :)
[18:04] <jaytaoko1> didrocks: cheers
[18:07] <smspillaz> MCR: we don't expose options if we can avoid it
[18:09] <MCR> smspillaz: It is wrong that CCSM is not aware of hardcoded Unity shortcuts at all...
[18:10] <MCR> smspillaz: So no warning is displayed when using these keycombis for other shortcuts (Ctrl+Space, Ctrl+Tab for example)
[18:11] <MCR> smspillaz: Also there are the same shortcuts available in CCSM, which are already hardcoded in Unity, which ofc leads to conflicts
[18:13] <smspillaz> MCR: changing options in ccsm is not exaclty a supported usecase in unity
[18:13] <smspillaz> there's no technical reason for that, it just isn't
[18:14] <MCR> smspillaz: example: You are unable to change the shortcut for the Window Menu (Alt+Space), although the option is there in CCSM <- that is not professional
[18:14] <MCR> smspillaz: It feels like a bad bug when Unity and CCSM do not work together
[18:14] <smspillaz> I suppose some integration there makes sense
[18:19] <sil2100> jaytaoko1: hi!
[18:20] <Mirv> back again
[18:29] <sil2100> jaytaoko1: we're ready for release \o/
[18:29] <sil2100> jaytaoko1: could you help making sure that no one unblocks any merges till Didier gets back and rolls out the release? :)
[18:32] <MCR> smspillaz: I think the main problem is that there exist these "hardcoded" keys, which sometimes (like in the case of the "iron" Alt+Space combi) are double-binded (by CCSM also)
[18:32] <jaytaoko1> sil2100: great! I am sending an email to warn everyone
[18:33] <smspillaz> MCR: we can make them register as readonly options
[18:33] <smspillaz> so that there will be no conflicts
[18:34] <MCR> smspillaz: In that case you would remove functionality from Compiz in the case Unity is turned on ?
[18:35] <smspillaz> MCR: its not removed functionality, it just avoids conflicts
[18:36] <MCR> smspillaz: Imho the correct solution would be to keep sane defaults, but make them fully adjustable via Unity plug-in (like the Alt shortcut for the HUD already has been made)
[18:36] <MCR> smspillaz: no ?
[18:38] <MCR> smspillaz: Otherwise you would have to remove old functionality from Compiz, because you would not be able to use those Unity shortcuts for anything else anymore and it would not be possible to avoid conflicts with software using the same shortcuts by simply changing them in CCSM or elsewhere...
[18:46] <Mirv> seb128: so is the plan to get feedback for the fix committed bugs in https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/5.14.0 from the quantal's 6.0 release first?
[18:47] <seb128> Mirv, that's one of the reason we update fixes to the current devel distro first yes
[18:47] <MCR> smspillaz: If we make them read-only Alt+Space would be fixed to show the window menu forever and you could not assign Alt+Button3 (Mouse) to anything else either and you would not be able to use any program that uses Alt+Space in any form (e.g. a game) normally, because it would always bring up the window menu, no matter what...
[18:47] <seb128> but not a blocker
[18:47] <seb128> i.e we don't need to wait on the feedback to start on the SRU
[18:47] <seb128> the feedback will come during the SRU verification time
[18:50] <Mirv> right
[18:51] <smspillaz> MCR: I think making alt-space configurable makes sense considering that it needs to be consistent with the compiz option
[18:52] <smspillaz> MCR: in the other cases the keybinding conflicts are usualy not too bad - the mechanisms in X11 give applications ways to handle that
[18:53] <MCR> smspillaz: Great you agree  :) - if there is no technical reason to have different key options all shortcut::HARDCODED_OPTION should imho be converted to shortcut::COMPIZ_KEY_OPTION (are not that many) - The problem with the hardcoded shortcut is also that it somehow overrides the mouse shortcut as well...
[18:54] <MCR> which means, when Alt+Space is hardcoded, Alt+Button3 (right mousebutton) is also hardcoded for this option somehow - so we would fix multiple problems by getting rid of the hardcoded stuff
[21:51] <MCR> smspillaz: I've tried to create a comprehensive bug report detailing the issue without getting into how to best fix it codewise, but just describing the problems: bug 1022743


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[06:02] <dpm> morning all
[06:56] <jussi> morning dpm
[06:57] <dpm> hi jussi
[06:58] <jussi> Hrm, does anyone know any open source reporters wo ang out on IRC? I want to annoy one with a few questions...
[06:59] <elfy> hello jussi
[06:59] <jussi> morning elfy
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <jussi> morning dholbach
[07:00] <dholbach> hi jussi
[07:00] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:00] <dholbach> dpm, with the fix in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1218674 installation from software store packages just work
[07:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218674 in click (Ubuntu) "clickpreload doesn't work on armhf" [Undecided,New]
[07:01] <dholbach> I just flashed to the newest, copied over packages with the patch and was good to go :-D
[07:01] <dpm> dholbach, nice :)
[07:01] <dholbach> so I'll work with beuno on the announce today
[07:02] <dpm> cool, let me know if I can help in anything
[07:02] <dholbach> dpm, I put drafts for the articles on developer.u.c (the temporary pages until the new IA is in place)
[07:03] <dholbach> they're not as pretty as what the final pages will look like, but I think they'll do until then
[07:03] <dholbach> dpm, can we provide redirects to the new pages?
[07:06] <dpm> dholbach, I've got a meeting with Ant in 2 hours to apply some changes to d.u.c. After that we will talk to IS to deploy them. I think we could use the opportunity to swap the publish pages and integrate them into the theme. Do you have the links to the new pages handy for me to have a look at?
[07:07] <dholbach> hum
[07:08] <dholbach> so you're suggesting to move the old review process to new pages and replace the current (as a temporary measure until the new IA is there)?
[07:09] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, I thought that was what you were suggesting with the redirects anyway
[07:09] <dholbach> no, not quite :)
[07:10] <dholbach> I thought it would be the easiest route to just add 2 new pages for the new process, link to them in the announcement and when we have the new IA replace those two pages with a redirect or something
[07:10] <dholbach> but your suggestion has its appeal
[07:11] <dpm> let me have a look at the pages and let's decide
[07:11] <dholbach> awesome
[07:13] <dpm> dholbach, nice work with the pages. So as I understand it, now we have:
[07:13] <dpm> 1) Publish page (.deb)
[07:14] <dpm> 2) Publish (.deb) > Packaging
[07:15] <dpm> 3) Publish (.deb) > Review (application states)
[07:15] <dpm> And in the new click world:
[07:15] <dpm> 4) Publish page (click)
[07:16] <dpm> 2) Publish (click) > Packaging
[07:16] <dpm> 6) Publish (click) > Review (aplication states) <- is this the same page as the original one for .debs ?
[07:16] <dholbach> 3) can stay - I asked beuno and he said it's pretty much the same
[07:17] <dpm> ok, cool
[07:17] <dholbach> maybe we have to make some adjustments, but we can make them over time
[07:17] <dpm> dholbach, so I'd suggest:
[07:18] <dpm> - Swap 1) with 4). This will require converting 4) to a Wordpress template (I can help with that)
[07:18] <dpm> - The rest can stay, as they are all Wordpress pages linked to
[07:19] <dpm> - Rename 1) to something else
[07:19] <dpm> what do you think?
[07:20] <dpm> And after I've had my meeting with Ant (around 12:00) we can look into deploying the change to d.u.c
[07:25] <dholbach> dpm, what about 2 and 5?
[07:30] <dpm> dholbach, they're just links. We can rename 2) to publish/packaging-desktop and leave 5) as it is
[07:31] <dholbach> gotcha
[07:33] <dholbach> all right, I'm walking over to the office - be back in 25-30m
[07:33] <dpm> dholbach, now this is the theory. Sometimes the way the theme in d.u.c does not cooperate :). If it doesn't work, then we can always go with 4) and 5) as regular wordpress pages instead of doing the swapping.
[07:34] <dpm> ok
[07:34] <dholbach> cool
[07:36] <jussi> can anyone tell me what time asac normally arrives online?
[08:20] <dholbach> dpm, but the general text looked all right to you?
[08:22] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, looked good to me. We should probably just merge the two publish pages at some point, as they're 99% the same, but I'm not sure we've got the time now to do a good job at it
[08:22] <dpm> and I've still got UDS brain meltdown
[08:23] <dholbach> yeah
[08:23]  * dpm stares at the two publish pages hard
[08:24] <dpm> argh, I think we should merge them, it will actually save us work with having to maintain several different pages
[08:25] <dpm> dholbach, let me give the merging a go, I've got 30 mins before my next meeting
[08:25] <dholbach> I thought it might be a bit confusing
[08:25] <dholbach> but yeah, if you think we can do it... let's do it
[14:18] <cjohnston> popey: here's your 'news' about decisions that came out of uds.. it's just a couple days late http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/ubuntu-14-04-lts-release-schedule
[15:09] <smartboyhw> jono, thanks for your clear explanation at the Community Roundtable :)
[15:25] <popey> cjohnston: hehe
[15:25] <popey> thats a very lightweight article!
[15:25] <smartboyhw> popey, lightweight's good:)
[15:25] <cjohnston> stop being so picky!
[15:29] <jono> dpm, mhall119 holy crap
[15:29] <jono> Kunal's cal theming
[15:29] <jono> !!
[15:30]  * smartboyhw has never seen jono enter the channel with such screaming
[15:30] <jono> hey smartboyhw
[15:30] <jono> sorry, I didn't see your message earlier
[15:30] <jono> no problem, sorry again that we are in this position with UDS
[15:30] <jono> I wish we didn't have this problem
[15:30] <dpm> jono, looks awesome, doesn't it? ;)
[15:30] <smartboyhw> jono, no worries:)
[15:30] <jono> dpm, *stunning*
[15:31] <jono> dpm, Kunal is a freaking legend
[15:31] <dpm> smartboyhw, sorry, I saw your pings, but I was on the phone
[15:31] <jono> smartboyhw, :-)
[15:32] <smartboyhw> dpm, ouch:) Just approve it if you find it appropriate now
[15:33] <smartboyhw> jono, BTW what theming?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:34] <jono> smartboyhw, https://plus.google.com/u/1/115054251212417394181/posts/2oWpyD2Nt88
[15:35] <jono> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1lekzs/ubuntu_calendar_designs_getting_implemented/
[15:35] <smartboyhw> jono, I concur with you and dpm :)
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Really nice designers out there:)
[15:35] <jono> yeah :-)
[15:35] <jono> it is all coming together
[15:35]  * jono rubs hands and smiles
[15:36]  * smartboyhw thinks jono's smile is with a bit of evil and sinister:P
[15:36] <dholbach> jono, http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/08/software-store-for-click-packages-now-open-for-testing/
[15:48] <jono> dholbach, so
[15:48] <jono> do click packages install on devices now?
[15:48] <jono> dholbach, :-)
[15:48] <jono> smartboyhw, always! :-)
[15:51] <dholbach> jono, cjwatson will upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1218674 later on and with that it will work
[15:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218674 in click (Ubuntu) "clickpreload doesn't work on armhf" [High,Fix committed]
[15:51] <dholbach> I test built the packages installed them and it works
[15:51] <jono> dholbach, awesome
[15:51] <jono> but people can submit software to the store now?
[15:51] <dholbach> if you want the packages to test it yourself (push over with adb push), I can upload them somewhere
[15:51] <dholbach> jono, yes
[15:52] <dholbach> jono, that's what we announced
[15:52]  * jono looks at mhall119 and his reddit client
[15:52] <jono> ;-)
[15:52] <jono> I want to get SleepyTime in :-)
[15:52] <jono> nice work dholbach!
 http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1lejmx/software_store_for_click_packages_now_open_for/
[15:52] <dholbach>  upboat!
[15:52] <dholbach>  I haven't even read it yet, it's that awesome
[15:52] <dholbach> yeah, a great team effort
[15:53] <dholbach> and a fun project :)
[15:53] <dholbach> all right my friends
[15:53] <dholbach> with that
[15:53] <dholbach> I call it a day
[15:53] <popey> \o/
[15:53] <dholbach> have to buy some stuff for a goodbye party of a friend
[15:53] <dholbach> hugs everyone!
[15:53] <dholbach> see you on monday
[15:53] <dholbach> jono, have some nice days off of work
[15:54] <jono> thanks dholbach!
[15:54] <jono> dholbach, man, I am ready for it :-)
[15:54] <dholbach> yeah, I've got to think about holidays some time soon too :)
[15:54] <dholbach> I'm very much ready for it
[15:55] <dholbach> see you :)
[17:22] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[17:22] <jcastro> have you decided where juju's stuff will live on developer.ubuntu.com?
[17:23] <jcastro> jono's mail says he wants that live next week and I haven't heard a thing about where you want these docs at yo
[17:25] <mhall119> jcastro: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/cloud/
[17:26] <jcastro> ok
[17:26] <jcastro> how do I publish my stuff there?
[17:27] <mhall119> jcastro: easiest for you is to give them to me in whatever format and I'll copy them into WP with formatting changes if needed
[17:27] <jcastro> !!!
[17:28] <mhall119> jcastro: mainly I need a gettin started/overview page, a tutorial, API docs, a "Cookbook" if you have one (if not we can setup one using my askubuntu script)
[17:28] <mhall119> and any other docs you have about writing charms
[17:28] <jcastro> ok so I thought we were just going to autogenerate them in the right section
[17:28] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/
[17:28] <jcastro> but basically it's the section under charm authors there ^
[17:29] <mhall119> are those being generated?
[17:29] <mhall119> via sphinx or something?
[17:29] <jcastro> it's not sphinx but it's autogenerated
[17:30] <jcastro> we write them in html
[17:30] <mhall119> ok, where can I get the source/generator?
[17:30] <jcastro> lp:juju-core/docs
[17:31] <mhall119> thanks jcastro
[17:31] <jcastro> oh wait
[17:31] <jcastro> so nick tells me we don't generate it
[17:31] <jcastro> we just do them in native html
[17:31] <mhall119> s/thanks//g
[17:31] <jcastro> but if you pull that branch there's the html docs
[17:31] <mhall119> so are they not in lp:juju-core/docs?
[17:32] <jcastro> you want any file starting with "author-"
[17:32] <jcastro> they are
[17:32] <mhall119> oh, ok
[17:32] <mhall119> thanks then
[17:32] <jcastro> branch that and go into htmldocs/
[17:32] <jcastro> ok
[17:32] <jcastro> and then in tools/
[17:32] <jcastro> we have a build.py that rebuilds the headers and footers
[17:32] <mhall119> which we don't probably need
[17:32] <jcastro> right, I was just mentioning it
[17:32] <jcastro> I was assuming you have a script that strips all that junk out anyway or something
[17:33] <mhall119> nope
[17:33] <jcastro> mhall119: can you join our hangout?
[17:33] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/552b1b180f1908b8a7ba7f65402ab654f5b73847?authuser=1
[17:36] <aquarius> daker, ping
[17:36] <daker> aquarius: o/
[17:37] <aquarius> daker, so, I have written an HTML5 app, using the Ubuntu HTML5 theme, and now I have a bunch of questions :)
[17:37] <daker> aquarius: sure
[17:40] <aquarius> daker, questions, in no particular order: I can't get Tabs to work; how am I meant to display and hide a Dialog; how am I best to detect in an HTML5 app running *in browser* (not as a "native app") that I'm on Ubuntu.
[17:40] <aquarius> daker, happy to show you the app if you want to see it :)
[17:41] <daker> aquarius: can you show me the code ?
[17:41] <aquarius> daker, I can, but not the code for making Tabs work because I removed it through not being able to get it to work. There isn't a tabs example in the examples, afaict?
[17:42] <aquarius> app is http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/wordbits-html5/wordbits.html
[17:43] <aquarius> if you have a working example of Tabs then I'll add an About tab and then I can release :)
[17:45] <daker> aquarius: actually the tabs needs more work but you can try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5909473/
[17:45] <aquarius> er!
[17:45] <aquarius> switching to a new tab should push the new tab ontot he page stack?
[17:46] <aquarius> also, do I really need all the JS files? there are, like, ten. :) I presumably only need core.js plus the ones which enable widgets that I actually use?
[17:46] <daker> aquarius: no you don't need them all
[17:46] <daker> aquarius: give me a few seconds
[17:49] <aquarius> daker, no rush
[17:50] <aquarius> more generally: how am I meant to set up a page? Like, if I have two tabs, are the tab contents both data-role="page"s which are children of body? Or are they both <div class="content"> which are children of data-role=page?
[17:51] <aquarius> the header bar is *inside* data-role=page, which seems weird because the header isn't part of the page: it's a header :)
[17:51] <aquarius> also, [].prototype.forEach.call is nicer than [].forEach.call :-)
[17:53] <aquarius> also also, your code there won't attach an event listener to the active tab, which means that when I switch away from tab 1 to tab 2, I can't switch *back* to tab 1 because it doesn't have an event handler for clicks. Wouldn't it be better to attach to all data-role=tab > a and then bail if e.target.classList.has("active") ?
[17:54] <daker> aquarius: i am making an example page for you
[17:54] <aquarius> what a very cool chap you are
[17:54] <aquarius> I promise I'll do a blog post about this :)
[18:00] <daker> aquarius: try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6045058/
[18:02] <aquarius> ah, I create a pagestack inside content, and then pages inside that, got it.
[18:02] <aquarius> trying.
[18:04] <daker> aquarius: the funny thing is that the same code will work for jQuery mobile and Firefox OS with some tweaking...
[18:07] <jcastro> omg awesome
[18:07] <jcastro> mhall119: can you rejoin
[18:07] <jcastro> I have an idea
[18:08] <daker> aquarius: here is the bug for the tabs bug 1216873
[18:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1216873 in Ubuntu HTML5 Theme "Tab implementation is incomplete" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216873
[18:09] <aquarius> daker, hrm, UI.pagestack doesn't exist. Debugging now...
[18:10] <daker> probably you didn't include the pagestack.js
[18:10] <aquarius> I did, though :(
[18:12] <daker> aquarius: ok look i am leaving the office now, if you can give me like an hour or two i can work with you to get things done and see what still need to be fixed on the theme, ok ?
[18:12] <aquarius> daker, it's cool -- you'v e already helped. I'll debug from here :)
[18:12] <aquarius> thank you
[18:12] <daker> ok
[18:13] <aquarius> ah, I bet I have to call UI.init :)
[18:13] <daker> yes yes
[18:13] <aquarius> aha, fab, that works
[18:14] <daker> \o/
[18:15]  * aquarius takes the hardcoded /usr/share stuff out of core.js ;-)
[18:16] <daker> aquarius: that's alex-abreu è_é
[18:16]  * aquarius grins
[18:18] <aquarius> now just to hide the toolbar permanently on the front page, and we're good :)
[18:19] <daker> aquarius: it would be good to report things that you see incorrect http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme
[18:22] <daker> aquarius: the actual tabs code in trunk only do the animation like http://bit.ly/16WWkCb
[18:24] <mhall119> jcastro: still need me to rejoin?
[18:24] <daker> aquarius: i am leaving...
[18:24] <aquarius> daker, cool -- go home! I appreciate the help :)
[18:29] <aquarius> hrm. Having toolbars in a webapp is annoying because it breaks in a browser.
[18:29] <aquarius> and with the tabs not yet working...
[18:29] <aquarius> might have to just do it all myself by hand and ignore UbuntuUI. Which you're not supposed to do. :)
[18:39] <aquarius> bah. blocked. :(
[19:23] <bkerensa> jcastro: So I talked to Rackspace
[19:23] <bkerensa> they have no plans to support Juju
[19:23] <bkerensa> they don't have Go engineering to make a patch for Juju to support Rackspace
[19:23] <bkerensa> I have asked what changes need to be made to create a provider to support them
[19:23] <bkerensa> so hopefully we can get that info and add support?
[19:24] <jcastro> we don't need to create a rackspace provider
[19:24] <jcastro> they are in progress of making their cloud more "Vanilla" openstack
[19:24] <jcastro> when they do that juju will work on it
[19:24] <bkerensa> jcastro: actually they are not
[19:24] <bkerensa> jcastro: they said they wont be doing that
[19:25] <bkerensa> jcastro: they would prefer a rackspace provider
[19:25] <bkerensa> jcastro: this is from their Cloud Evangelist and Lead Cloud Architect on Twitter
[19:40] <aquarius> mhall119, wordbits updated to have an about page. So... can I submit a pure web app to the competition, or do I need to package it up and upload it as a click package? :)
[19:41] <mhall119> aquarius: package and upload it as a click package
[19:41]  * aquarius looks aggrieved. OK.
[19:41] <mhall119> not the answer you wanted, I know, but it's the answer I have :)
[19:45] <aquarius> mhall119, next question: did we get any guidance about whether gradient backgrounds are supposed to be reserved for ritual apps?
[19:46] <mhall119> aquarius: it's been one day man!
[19:46] <aquarius> mhall119, ah, no, I didn't mean "since UDS finished", I meant "during UDS that I might have missed" :)
[19:46] <mhall119> ah, no
[19:47] <mhall119> nothing concrete anyway
[19:47] <aquarius> k
[19:47] <aquarius> it'll take me three seconds to add a gradient background to wordbits anyway :0
[19:47] <mhall119> just a general sense of "gradient is used by ritual apps, all others can do whatever they want"
[19:47] <aquarius> well, it'll take aminute and 3 seconds, the minute of which is looking up the stupid -webkit-gradient format again
[19:50] <aquarius> mhall119, is there documentation somewhere about the Ubuntu shape? (Not the QML component: the actual shape?)
[19:50] <aquarius> I'd like to see if it's doable with multiple CSS border-radii.
[19:51] <aquarius> since I hate the image-based version ;)
[19:51] <mhall119> aquarius: I don't know, daker might
[20:02] <aquarius> daker, you might find http://jsbin.com/UYoFoJe/1/edit interesting: I think it should be possible to do UbuntuShape with border-radius.
[20:06] <aquarius> does all the make-a-click-package stuff work in raring?
[20:06] <aquarius> I have not yet upgraded to saucy :)
[20:28]  * aquarius sobs
[20:28] <mhall119> aquarius: well the SDK is supported in raring, and it depends on Click for it's Qtc plugins, so I would assume so
[20:28] <aquarius> you can't make a click package of an html5 app :(
[20:28] <aquarius> I go to "Packaging" after having created an HTML5 app in QtCreator and it says "Click packaging is only available for QML projects" :(
[20:29] <mhall119> :/
[20:29] <mhall119> I was told it worked on HTML5 too...
[20:30] <aquarius> I'm supposed to say "HTML5 project" in qtcreator, right?
[20:30] <aquarius> it adds an "html5applicationviewer.cpp" thing.
[20:31] <aquarius> and  WordBits_harmattan.desktop
[20:31] <aquarius> does this mean that I'm using some old still-installed Nokia N9 HTML project?
[20:31] <aquarius> rather than an *Ubuntu* HTML project?
[20:31] <mhall119> .cpp?
[20:32] <aquarius> indeed
[20:32] <mhall119> oh no, use the Ubuntu->HTML5 Touch UI template
[20:32] <aquarius> aha, that might be the problem.
[20:32] <mhall119> probably is, yeah
[20:33] <mhall119> since the Ubuntu HTML5 template uses QML, not C++
[20:33] <aquarius> OK, I don't have an option for that :(
[20:34] <aquarius> mhall119, http://ubuntuone.com/09OJ20XUvtVPuicjSQoYRj
[20:34] <aquarius> am I missing something that makes it Ubuntu-ish?
[20:34] <mhall119> aquarius: did you launch "Qt Creator" or "Ubuntu SDK" from the dash?
[20:35] <aquarius> I started "Ubuntu SDK" from the Dash, and I get an Ubuntu-specific screen saying "Make it Ubuntu" with "Create a new project"
[20:35] <aquarius> I click Create a new project and I get that popup
[20:35] <mhall119> hmmmm....
[20:35] <mhall119> sounds like maybe you have some garbage leftover from an older qtcreator/ubuntu-sdk install
[20:35] <mhall119> that's usually what causes this
[20:35] <mhall119> try apt-get purging ubuntu-sdk and reinstalling
[20:35] <aquarius> mhall119, http://ubuntuone.com/0f0eqffzfatzGrepoKVFVH
[20:36] <aquarius> ah, maybe.
[20:36] <aquarius> I'll purge everything
[20:36] <aquarius> need a cup of tea first though :)
[20:36] <mhall119> ok, so it gets most of the plugins, just not the templates
[20:41] <aquarius> ha haaa!
[20:41] <aquarius> Package 'ubuntu-sdk' is not installed, so not removed
[20:41] <aquarius> that might have something to do with it ;)
[20:41]  * aquarius laughs and laughs
[20:42] <aquarius> I've got a whole mess of early testing ppas and whatnot enabled, probably :)
[20:43] <aquarius> nope.
[20:43] <aquarius> hasn't helped :(
[20:43] <aquarius> installed ubuntu-sdk; no change. Purged it and reinstalled; no change :(
[20:44] <aquarius> suggestions?
[20:47] <daker> aquarius: back
[20:48] <daker> speaking of Ubuntushape if you are able to do it in CSS that would be awesome!!
[20:48] <aquarius> hey, daker. I took your Pagestack approach, but hid the toolbar... and because I've only got two tabs, I can get away with that :)
[20:48] <aquarius> daker, see the jsbin
[20:48] <aquarius> daker, although that's following the curve of an Ubuntu u
[20:48] <aquarius> which may not be exactly the same as an UbuntuShape curve
[20:49] <aquarius> but I think the key point is that you can do almost any curve by filling in two border-radii.
[20:49] <aquarius> so I think it'll be doable in pure css.
[20:51] <daker> aquarius: if you add the top border the curve form changes
[20:51] <aquarius> yeah. It'll require some thinking
[20:51] <aquarius> I'm not suggesting that what I did completely answers it :)
[20:52] <aquarius> just proving to myself that I think it's doable in concept.
[20:52] <aquarius> percentages may be the way forward, too
[20:55] <daker> aquarius: ah i see i had the idea of using the webkit-mask and using an svg mask something like this https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/media/icon.svg
[20:55] <aquarius> god, I hope it's doable with proper css.
[20:56] <daker> :)
[20:59] <aquarius> who knows about the Qt Creator stuff? I suppose that Friday evening is not the best time to ask these sorts of questions ;)
[21:00] <daker> aquarius: let's see what's your question :)
[21:01] <aquarius> daker, see above discussion with mhall119. When I start Ubuntu SDK, I get the Ubuntu startup screen correctly, but when creating a new project I don't get the Ubuntu templates.
[21:01] <aquarius> http://ubuntuone.com/0f0eqffzfatzGrepoKVFVH
[21:02] <aquarius> this suggests that I've got some old QtCreator stuff somewhere which is getting in the way
[21:02] <aquarius> but I have no idea how to fix that :)
[21:05] <daker> aquarius: this is what you should see in raring http://i.imgur.com/KlauUtF.png
[21:05] <aquarius> that's be fabulous if I could see that. I can't :)
[21:05] <daker> aquarius: are you using the ppa ?
[21:05] <aquarius> don't know. How can I tell>?
[21:07] <daker> aquarius: ah that's why http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[21:07] <daker> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[21:07] <aquarius> trying
[21:07] <aquarius> did that; it installed nothing
[21:07] <aquarius> so I assume I already had the ppa enabled :)
[21:10] <daker> aquarius: try purging the ubuntu-sdk package then reinstall it
[21:11] <aquarius> daker, yeah, I tried that; that's what mhall119 suggested.
[21:12] <daker> wired
[21:12] <daker> aquarius: what do you have here /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ ?
[21:13] <aquarius> bb-bardescriptor bb-cascades-app bb-guiapp bb-qt5-bardescriptor bb-qt5-guiapp codesnippet helloworld listmodel plaincapp plaincapp-cmake plaincppapp plaincppapp-cmake qtcreatorplugin qtquick1-extension qtquick2-extension README.txt scriptgeneratedproject ubuntu
[21:14] <daker> aquarius: do you have /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ubuntu/html5 ?
[21:15] <aquarius> yep
[21:16] <daker> brb
[21:23] <daker> aquarius: maybe it's a bug or something...
[21:23] <aquarius> could be. I do not know, and I don't know how to find out
[21:24] <daker> aquarius: do you want me to create a html5 project for you ?
[21:24] <daker> an*
[21:24] <aquarius> daker, nah, I need to get this worked out so I can do it myself
[21:25] <aquarius> I've got enough done to start thinking about a blog post
[21:25] <aquarius> but I'm not sure whether to write it, because I explicitly have not used half of the UbuntuUI stuff, because it's not yet finished as you note.
[21:25] <aquarius> also starting to think that I should sack off the layout and do it again with flexbox
[21:25] <aquarius> but I'm not sure whether the Ubuntu browser supports flexbox :(
[21:27] <aquarius> anyway, that's probably enough for a Friday night :)
[21:27] <popey> it doesnt
[21:28] <popey> or it does
[21:28] <daker> aquarius: i can show you how to run the browser
[21:28] <aquarius> I can run it -- it's not packaged for raring, but I compiled it
[21:29] <aquarius> but I don't know whether the qtwebkit in raring is the same as the one in saucy :(
[21:31] <daker> that's the browser score http://i.imgur.com/r1DAmqq.png
[21:32] <aquarius> aha!
[21:33] <aquarius> I score 369 in the ubuntu browser
[21:33] <aquarius> but interestingly mine loads the fonts and yours doesn't :)
[21:33] <aquarius> http://ubuntuone.com/247188pHGOKRE5qMXFaIgy
[21:34] <daker> aquarius: do you know that you can debug remotely ?
[21:34] <aquarius> erm
[21:34] <aquarius> debug what remotely?
[21:35] <aquarius> I know I can export the inspector from the browser, if that's what you mean?
[21:35] <aquarius> which is useful.
[21:35] <daker> yes
[21:36] <aquarius> the remote inspector isn't as good as *actual* devtools, but it suffices :)
[21:36] <daker> because of the qtwebkit :)
[21:36] <aquarius> :)
[21:37] <aquarius> popey, question if you're still around: does the phone image have ssh on by default?
[21:37] <daker> once we will get oxide, things will be better
[21:37] <popey> aquarius: it will
[21:37] <aquarius> very true, although I thought I saw that only anointed Canonical apps get oxide, and third-party apps don't?
[21:37] <popey> aquarius: but disabled by default
[21:38] <popey> aquarius: currently, no
[21:38] <aquarius> popey, the reason I ask is that one of my big use cases for push notifications is Ansible -- a bookmarklet in my desktop browser which sends the URL I'm viewing to my phone
[21:38] <aquarius> popey, there's also chrome2phone for android which does the same thing
[21:38] <popey> do you mean ssh client or server aquarius ?
[21:39] <aquarius> popey, anyway, that obviously only is useful when I'm sitting in front of my laptop and my phone is to hand, and when that's the case 99.9% of the time, my phone and desktop will be on the same wifi network.
[21:39] <aquarius> so I don't need push notifications for that: I can just have a bookmarklet in my desktop browser which sshes into the phone and opens the URL that way, yes?
[21:39] <daker> aquarius: i don't think so, oxide will replace qtwebkit
[21:39] <aquarius> and that'd be a *really* cool app for someone to write. :)
[21:40] <aquarius> daker, not according to the notes from teh UDS oxide session, http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-client-1308-oxide
[21:40] <aquarius> "We have decided to use the Chromium Content API for Canonical-supported applications and the default webview for Ubuntu SDK applications"
[21:40] <aquarius> sucks to be you, Mr App Developer. No decent rendering engine for you!
[21:41] <daker> "default webview for Ubuntu SDK applications"
[21:41] <aquarius> popey, you can imagine installing the app on the phone and going through its "setup" process, and what that actually *does* is enable ssh :)
[21:42] <popey> sounds dangerous
[21:42] <aquarius> daker, unless "the default website" will actually *be* Oxide, but then I don't understand what that whole sentence means :)
[21:42] <popey> I'd rather it used avahi
[21:42] <aquarius> popey, not necessarily -- you can imagine it creating a one-use key which can't do anything other than open URLs.
[21:42] <aquarius> can't do avahi unless the phone app runs a server, which you can't do.
[21:43] <aquarius> and you don't want it to anyway; I don't want the phone listening on a port all the time and accepting URLs
[21:43] <daker> the default webview is the qt "WebView" used on the HTML5 project
[21:43] <aquarius> popey, and if you add security to that so that anyone can't just connect to the port and pass a URL, then... you've just reinvented a crap version of ssh, haven't you? ;-)
[21:43] <popey> ☻
[21:43] <daker> aquarius: so instead of using the "WebView" from qtwebkit you'll be using the WebView from oxide
[21:44] <aquarius> erm, I don't understand that then, daker. The Chromium Content API provides stuff on top of the webview, like bookmarks etc.
[21:45] <aquarius> you're suggesting that "We have decided to use the Chromium Content API for Canonical-supported applications and the default webview for Ubuntu SDK applications" actually means "We'll use Oxide for Canonical applications, and we'll use Oxide for Ubuntu SDK applications"?
[21:45] <aquarius> :)
[21:47] <daker> ah i see what you mean
[21:47] <daker> maybe you are right
[21:50] <aquarius> popey, incidentally, my html5 app should work on your iphone too, since that's what I'm testing it on ;)
[21:50] <aquarius> need to get Lucas to do me an icon
[21:54] <popey> ooh
[21:55]  * popey embeddens
[21:55] <daker> i need to figure out how to compile my app for armhf
[21:55] <aquarius> popey, http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/wordbits/wordbits.html
[21:56] <daker> 404...
[21:56] <aquarius> oh yeah
[21:56] <aquarius> popey, http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/wordbits-html5/wordbits.html
[21:56] <aquarius> sorry :)
[22:03] <jose> jcastro: ping


[07:16] <Saviq> Good Monday \o
 "Today:..." <- > <@chris:cooperteam.net> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b978ab8ac20763cf0420f18781bb1fad08285871>)
[08:00] <RAOF> *Today*:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b0cf6621296cf968d6861c0225da16c1d2e037f4>)
[08:00] <RAOF> And some light reading 😉
[11:54] <Saviq> Codeberg fighting with HW failure: https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg
[14:54] <Saviq> alan_g can you please share the Miriway snap with me and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[14:54] <Saviq> https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/miriway/collaboration/
[15:06] <alan_g[m]> :done:
[15:53] <Saviq> Today:
[15:53] <Saviq> - [prepped](https://github.com/Miriway/Miriway/pull/46) Miriway to [be built](https://github.com/Miriway/Miriway/pull/46) with [mir-libs](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2966)
[15:53] <Saviq> - hunted for a way in checkbox-mir to collect the performance test results; no luck yet :/
[16:27] <Saviq> alan_g try https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pdfarranger if it only deals with internal drags, it looks to me that way from a user perspective
[16:28] <Saviq> Hmm or maybe not, can drag between two windows of the app :/
[16:34] <alan_g[m]> Two windows of the app is expected
[16:34] <Saviq> Two separate processes, I meant
[16:35] <alan_g[m]> Ah. Not that.
[16:36] <Saviq> 👋, until tomorrow


[00:30] <[NikO]> hi/re
[00:30] <[NikO]> anyone know the exact command send to server when we /remove someone ?
[00:45] <nalioth> [NikO]: /quote remove #channel %nick/hostmask
[00:45] <nalioth> [NikO]: you must be opped
[00:46] <[NikO]> can't have it to work with supybot raw message
[01:01] <nalioth> try /raw instead of /quote
[01:02] <[NikO]> thanks nalioth Price Child - to avoid hl - give me a good answer with check raw log :)


[00:50] <damaya> Is there any way to modify the pxe boot menu (typically this would be pxelinux.cfg/default)?
[17:15] <mup> Bug #1724904 opened: Changing PXE lease in DHCP snippets global sections does not work <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724904>
[19:12] <xygnal> what is the order/process when maas net
[19:14] <xygnal> oops, net boots a system for build.
[19:15] <xygnal> we are seeing what looks like successful pxe where it claims its under maas control
[19:15] <xygnal> yet it hangs before finishing boot
[19:48] <xygnal> roaksoax: ping
[20:08] <xygnal> we get as far as Loading ubuntu/amd64/ga-16.04/xenial/daily/boot-initrd...ok
[20:08] <xygnal> then it hangs
[20:57] <mup> Bug #1724973 opened: [2.3]package-repositories should be searchable by name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724973>
[21:36] <mup> Bug #1724989 opened: Deployment fails if server's EFI variable storage is full <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724989>