[01:01] <Eickmeyer> Souler: Can you do me a favor and fix your connection?
[14:14] <sakrecoer[b]> is there a sound font player included in us, where i can load one shot samples in batch and have them assigned to a midi note automagically? (like, an entire folder given there aren'r more files than midinotes)
[14:56] <sakrecoer[b]> i think i've been through the list. good exercise: found a lot of interesting things. But none that can load multiple samples at once
[15:15] <rgh> 徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット: dunno, but making an sfz script for this would be super easy
[15:31] <sakrecoer[b]> thanks rgh I'll look into that! :)
[15:31] <sakrecoer[b]> would be such a huge timesaver!
[16:35] <Oromis> Hei ciao
[16:35] <Oromis> c'è nessuno?
[16:36] <Oromis> avrei bisogno di una mano, sono nuovo in Ubuntu e non riesco ad affrontare un problema
[16:38] <Oromis> Is there someone? I'm new in Ubuntu, i need help to solve a problem that i cannot fix
[18:49] <rgh> !ask
[20:40] <sakrecoer[b]> could it be that Jack doesn't handle looping very well? When ardour is set to synchronize with jack the loop button is greyed out
[20:41] <sakrecoer[b]> if so, how to synch ardour with other software?
[20:45] <sakrecoer[b]> the midiclock of ardour doesn't seem to bother too much about the tempo set in ardour...
[20:51] <sakrecoer[b]> hmm.. not even the click/metronome of ardour seems to be too unhappy about looping
[20:51] <sakrecoer[b]>  * hmm.. not even the click/metronome of ardour seems to be too happy about looping
[20:54] <sakrecoer[b]> so... what workflow exist for loopbased music?
[20:55] <sakrecoer[b]> hydrogene and lmms?
[22:43] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: Ardour can not loop when following jack transport. For looping in Ardour right now (more to come) there is a command for taking a region and copying it for the rest of the session. The other option is to find a plugin that can do looping instead... or going outsode Ardour.
[22:44] <OvenWerks> Hydrogen can be used for non-drum based loops. I have heard some interesting loops done that way. LMMS has no (the last time I looked) way of recording analog audio.
[22:52] <sakrecoer[b]> thanks OvenWerks ! i really like hydrogen, it's a neat sampler with a familiar workflow for someone used to groove boxes (like me)
[22:52] <sakrecoer[b]> but it get's complicated if one wants to produce some kind of melody..
[22:53] <sakrecoer[b]> and i haven't yet found a way to get a synth to acompany it without either qtractor or ardour.
[22:53] <sakrecoer[b]> but both of those aren't really synchronizable with it.
[22:54] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: I have seen someone using hydrogen alone to do melody and chords
[22:54] <OvenWerks> I do not know if they used the sound from hydrogen or midi out to do that
[22:54] <sakrecoer[b]> oh... i suppose it's possible to use the midi output in some way like that
[22:55] <OvenWerks> but yeah that sound hard
[22:59] <Sindbob> hi guys
[23:00] <Sindbob> I have a question about the ubuntustudio
[23:01] <Sindbob> is there also a broadcaster built in, or do you have to install one?
[23:02] <OvenWerks> have you looked at http://openavproductions.com/luppp/ or http://openavproductions.com/fabla2/
[23:02] <OvenWerks> Sindbob: there should be OBS
[23:03] <OvenWerks> Sindbob: it would be under Video production
[23:06] <Sindbob> ok, but for webradio?
[23:06] <OvenWerks> While OBS is made for audio/video, I think it can do plain audio as well. We used to have idjc but it has suffered bitrot for the time being, we hope to have it back if it gets upgraded
[23:06] <OvenWerks> I do not know what is required for webradio to be honest.
[23:07] <Sindbob> ok
[23:07] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]:  have you looked at http://openavproductions.com/luppp/ or http://openavproductions.com/fabla2/
[23:10] <Sindbob> its better to install mixxx for broadcast on shoutcast?
[23:11] <OvenWerks> I thought we had mixxx, but I guess not.
[23:12] <Sindbob> nice
[23:12] <OvenWerks> if you are using shoutcast Ardour or sinilar would work too. I am not sure which is easier. I just happen to know Ardour better
[23:13] <OvenWerks> mixx is installable though
[23:14] <Sindbob> I want to run my stage computer with linux, because I don’t want to have edv on linux. . . also the music should be removed from windows ;)
[23:14] <OvenWerks> icecast, ices2, ezstream, oggfwd are all in the repo too
[23:15] <OvenWerks> icecast is kind of laggy for live use I would think unless you are sending to remote (where it doesn't matter
[23:17] <Sindbob> i send over win with radioboss .... and shoutcast1 and shoutcast2
[23:18] <OvenWerks> So latency is not a problem then
[23:18] <Sindbob> if this solution would go via linux, then I am completely away from win :)
[23:19] <OvenWerks> There is also darkice and darksnow to look at
[23:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: tis is funny, we have libshout-idjc3 but no idjc?
[23:23] <sakrecoer[b]> wow! thanks for those openav links OvenWerks !
[23:23] <sakrecoer[b]> didn't know about them
[23:24] <sakrecoer[b]> actaully luppp i have seen, but forgotten about
[23:24] <OvenWerks> Harry has been MIA for about two years but showed up again in the past few weeks... has been doing "real work"
[23:26] <Sindbob> nice
[23:40] <Sindbob> @OvenWerks thx
[23:40] <Sindbob> and see you later
[23:41] <Sindbob> i give the next day a feedback from the test :)
[23:41] <Sindbob> see you...


[01:15] <vorian> evening
[01:16] <vorian> thoughts on updating mlt so we can bump kdenlive? or should we wait for debian?
[02:43] <ScottK> vorian: kdelive just hit the Debian New queue.
[02:43] <ScottK> kdelive/kdenlive
[02:43] <ScottK> You might write the maintainer for an advance copy of the package and see what's different from the Debian Multimedia package.
[02:44] <vorian> will do
[02:54] <vorian> ScottK: there seems to be few differences at first glance (-data -dbg to name a couple)
[02:55] <ScottK> vorian: OK.  IIRC we used to have a -data.  I'd align to that one and we can forget Debian Multimedia completely (go ahead and do a merge even though it's still in New in Debian).
[02:56] <ScottK> We used to get mlt, mlt++, and kdenlive from Debian Multimedia, now we can get them all from Debian proper.
[02:56] <vorian> ah, i see
[02:57] <vorian> jmpoure from kdenlive seems to be happy with our kdenlive 0.7
[02:58] <vorian> they added quite a few things for this point release
[03:00] <ScottK> Sounds like we're moving in the right direction then.
[03:00] <vorian> yep
[03:01] <vorian> although, MLT does need updating
[03:01] <vorian> i'll keep an eye on it in debian
[03:16] <ScottK> vorian: I'd chat with the Debian maintainer about it then.
[04:35] <stdin> one web browser written in python, because I'm bored and can't sleep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/96564/
[04:48] <nixternal> ouch, it fails acid3 test big time :)
[04:48] <stdin> that's nothing to do with me :)
[04:50] <nixternal> hehe, the webkit in gnome works like a champ
[04:51] <nixternal> kmail sure takes a super long time to load my IMAP email
[04:52] <crimsun> that's because i'm sneakernetting the bits from your imap server
[04:52] <nixternal> that would be a lot of sneakernetting dude, as it is GMail :)
[04:52] <crimsun> good thing i cloned my sneakernets
[04:53] <nixternal> and if their Internet is anything like their burritos, then you have no chance of winning :)
[04:57] <nixternal> w00t, pinentry-qt4 is fixed with kmail!
[05:43] <ScottK> When was it broken?
[05:52] <nixternal> ScottK: it has been broken
[05:52] <ScottK> OK.  It's been fine in Intrepid.
[05:52] <nixternal> supposedly hasn't worked with kmail, enigma with thunderbird...and so on
[05:52] <nixternal> I thought it was, but anyways, there is a no release...I am going to request a sync on it
[05:52] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Works in Intrepid with kmail just fine.
[05:52] <nixternal> bug #281487
[05:52] <nixternal> I do remember that issue though
[05:54] <ScottK> Odd.  I've never had that problem.
[05:54] <ScottK> The one person who I've helped with problems didn't have agent enabled in their gpg.conf.
[05:54] <nixternal> txwikinger: could you look at that bug ^^ I added a new deb you can grab and test with enigmail and thunderturd
[05:55] <txwikinger> nixternal: I can have a look at it, but I think I cannot reproduce it anymore
[05:55] <nixternal> go figure :) I am going to commit that sucker
[05:55] <nixternal> OOOH!
[05:55] <nixternal> it works
[05:56] <nixternal> in thunderbird with enigmail!!!
[05:56]  * nixternal forgets he has that GNOME desktop just for testing stsuff like this
[05:56] <txwikinger> oh.. that is the other one
[05:56] <txwikinger> I have not tried that one yet
[05:56] <txwikinger> well.. I remember again
[05:57] <nixternal> I know that protocol incompatability issue, I remember seeing it and I think that was fixed a while back to be honest
[05:57] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:57] <txwikinger> yes.. I will look at this
[05:57] <nixternal> I am using the pinentry-qt4 from intrepid, not the package I put in my ppa, and it is working fine
[05:57] <nixternal> how can people like thunderbird? my lord, it is as bloated as their browser
[05:58] <ScottK> If you're used to Outlook Express, it's quite nice.
[05:58] <nixternal> hrmm, it does seem quicker than kmail with gmail imap though
[05:58] <nixternal> actually...much quicker
[05:58] <nixternal> ScottK: hahahaha, I bet
[05:58] <ScottK> My kids use it.
[05:58] <txwikinger> I got confused since I re-installed intrepid from scratch
[05:58] <nixternal> I have become fond of Evolution with the Exchange stuff to be honest
[05:59] <ScottK> urgh.
[05:59] <ScottK> I tried Evolution and couldn't stand it.
[05:59] <nixternal> it has worked very well, and even does all of my calendar stuff perfectly
[05:59] <txwikinger> really? I  had always problems with evolution
[05:59] <ScottK> So write us some Kmail magic to do the same.
[05:59] <nixternal> I doubt I would like Evolution for POP3 or IMAP, but for Exchange, it is really the best bet in Linux
[05:59] <ScottK> best == only.
[05:59] <nixternal> the kmail magic is supposedly already in the works
[05:59] <nixternal> ScottK: exactly :)
[06:00] <nixternal> actually no, you could do the whole citrix setup crap if you wanted to
[06:00]  * txwikinger searches for the encrypted email
[06:00] <nixternal> jjess has outlook 2007 running in crossover office and it was crap if you aske me
[06:00] <nixternal> I had outlook 2003 running in it, and it was faster in cxo than it was in windows
[06:01] <nixternal> oh damn, encrypted email
[06:01]  * nixternal didn't test that
[06:01] <nixternal> I don't think I have any encrypted email
[06:01] <txwikinger> ROFL
[06:02] <nixternal> I know I don't...I accindentally erased all of my old messages that were loaded with them
[06:02] <nixternal> i love this keyboard...the letter 'n' and the letter 's' will just pop up where ever they want to
[06:03] <nixternal> txwikinger: send me an encrypted email :)
[06:03] <txwikinger> hehe
[06:03] <nixternal> what is your key?
[06:04] <txwikinger> Isn't it on my launchpad page?
[06:04] <nixternal> oh you bum!
[06:04] <nixternal> going to make my lazy arse go and find it? :P
[06:05] <nixternal> got it
[06:05] <txwikinger> Don't I need yours anyway?
[06:05] <nixternal> 2e2c0124
[06:06] <nixternal> irc nick @ kubuntu . org ?
[06:06] <txwikinger> I think I need to install enigmail first
[06:07] <nixternal> is that your email addy ^^?
[06:07] <txwikinger> I think I have that one too now
[06:07] <txwikinger> usually I use the ubuntu . com one though
[06:08] <nixternal> roger that
[06:08] <nixternal> does that work with your key?
[06:09] <nixternal> yup
[06:09] <txwikinger> Well.. it was installed.. and I think I sent soemthing to you
[06:09] <nixternal> ok, just sent you an email from kmail that was encrypted...it has a nice little note in it
[06:10] <txwikinger> Well.. your message I could decrypt
[06:10] <txwikinger> without your deb
[06:10] <nixternal> yup, and just decrypted it too
[06:10] <txwikinger> cool
[06:10] <nixternal> forgot my other machine has its own gpg key just to test this whole thing :)
[06:11] <nixternal> so we can close that booger...and I will go ahead and request a sync with the new package as well
[06:11] <txwikinger> yep.. I think we can close it
[06:11] <txwikinger> even I still don't understand why it occurred
[06:11] <txwikinger> The packages I have now are no different than before
[06:12] <nixternal> all it takes is a goofy gnupg conf file in ~/.gnupg to ruin your whole day
[06:12] <txwikinger> The only difference is, I installed intrepid from scratch instead an update from hardy
[06:12] <nixternal> 3 years ago, JR and I wrestled with it as it kept booging our debsigns as well
[06:12] <txwikinger> well.. my gnupg conf is still the same
[06:13] <txwikinger> that is on my home dir which I did not re-install
[06:13] <nixternal> ya, I now have a single ~/.gnupg as it is on a USB stick and all of my machines share that badboy
[06:13] <nixternal> just gotta make sure to run 'sync' every now and then if I am signing keys or downloading keys
[06:14] <txwikinger> yeah.. that one got me confused for almost a day too before I submitted the bug
[06:14] <ScottK> txwikinger: Was your old install upgraded from Feisty, perhaps?
[06:14] <nixternal> that is pretty much the same one JR and I witnessed right after the beginning of Kubuntu
[06:14] <txwikinger> but that had a different behaviour.. I think the pinentry window never came up
[06:14] <nixternal> especially with kmail
[06:15] <txwikinger> ScottK: No.. hardy install and than upgrade to intrepid
[06:15] <txwikinger> then
[06:15] <nixternal> but then I was sneaking stuff to warren over at mepis :p
[06:15] <ScottK> OK.  Feisty had a bad gnupg bug that caused gpg.conf problems.
[06:16] <txwikinger> Well. the gnupg issue was IIRC not really a bug.. just a user mistake by myself
[06:17] <nixternal> txwikinger: did you put this in a reply to me - "Encrypted mail test" ?
[06:17] <nixternal> not the subject, but in the body?
[06:17] <txwikinger> I don't think I submitted anything about it, or if I did, only something saying that it can be easily confusing
[06:17] <txwikinger> nixternal: in both... subject and body
[06:17] <nixternal> wow, KMail 4.2 beta rocks!!
[06:18] <nixternal> it didn't work this well in kmail 3.5.x
[06:18] <txwikinger> does it finally work with imap?
[06:18] <nixternal> I just set it up tonight with imap on gmail
[06:18] <txwikinger> Everytime I used kmail it had serious issues with imap
[06:18] <nixternal> I use mutt as my main client, but I wanted to play with kmail, and your bug report forced me to :)
[06:19] <txwikinger> did it? I thought it was for thunderbird :D
[06:19] <nixternal> it is slow on the initial grabbing of a few million emails from gmail, but after that it seems rock solid
[06:19] <nixternal> I made it crash once, but the scroll wheel on my logitech nx nano can make any application crash no matter the OS
[06:19] <txwikinger> hmm.. I used to be able to do that with Konqui
[06:19] <nixternal> txwikinger: it was, but someone replied that it was happening to them in kmail as well
[06:20] <txwikinger> Ah
[06:20] <nixternal> then I remembered I could install thunderturd on my gnome box
[06:20] <txwikinger> =(
[06:20] <txwikinger> gnome box?
[06:20] <nixternal> after trying to use konqi now for the past few days, I think they should just give up on it...it is so bad it isn't even funny
[06:20] <txwikinger> Are you hanging out too much with Jorge?
[06:20] <nixternal> probably
[06:21] <nixternal> I must say, my current GNOME setup, now running Jaunty...is quite hot
[06:21] <txwikinger> I didn't sent him a 0-16 congratulation yet :D
[06:21] <nixternal> using the dusk theme with my ubuntu streetart wallpaper
[06:21] <nixternal> hahahaha, man they are sore about that in detroit
[06:21] <txwikinger> hmm..  I love it!
[06:26] <txwikinger> Well.. Minnesota is trying hard to compete
[06:26] <nixternal> not hard enough!
[06:27] <nixternal> we have one governor in prison, and another on his way
[06:27] <txwikinger> Did you see the funny challenges on some of those ballots?
[06:27] <nixternal> and in the entire history of the state of illinois, Jim Edgar was our only governor to not go to jail or prison
[06:27] <nixternal> we rock!
[06:27] <nixternal> oh, ya that democrat comedian dude is an idiot, I hope he loses by 1/2 a vote
[06:27] <txwikinger> Is the former husband of Jeri also in prison?
[06:27] <nixternal> who?
[06:28] <txwikinger> The Star-Trek chic
[06:28] <txwikinger> I think he originally ran against Obama for Senate but withdraw during the race
[06:28] <txwikinger> withdrew
[06:28] <nixternal> hrmm, I never knew her
[06:28] <nixternal> I am reading her wikipedia entry now
[06:29] <nixternal> not even from illinois, but she was chosen miss illinois
[06:29] <nixternal> omg, I had no clue
[06:29] <txwikinger> I thought I was in a timemachine today
[06:29] <nixternal> I know who she is now
[06:29] <nixternal> no, her husband wanted that freaky sex stuff in their marriage right?
[06:29] <txwikinger> I saw Cujo playing in the goal for the leafs
[06:30] <txwikinger> yes something like that
[06:30] <nixternal> he was supposed to run against obama
[06:30] <txwikinger> yes
[06:30] <nixternal> because of that entire thing he had to pull out and look where obama is today
[06:30] <nixternal> jack ryan was slated to win that election too
[06:31] <txwikinger> Well.. that was before the dead people voting
[06:31] <nixternal> hehe
[06:31] <ScottK> nixternal: Would you please look at kde-style-qtcurve merge?
[06:32] <ScottK> I can't see how it ever worked before, but I'm not sure if that's the package or the Scotch.
[06:32] <nixternal> hahah, ok
[06:38] <nixternal> interesting...how the heck did it ever work? if it would fail when trying to write $HOME/.qt
[06:41] <txwikinger> I found an interesting thing with ktorrent
[06:41] <txwikinger> it saves the torrents with absolute pathnames
[06:42] <txwikinger> so if you change your home dir name it has some issues :D
[06:42] <nixternal> is that a config issue?
[06:44] <nixternal> patch -p3 -R < debian/patches/kubuntu_01_default_settings.diff
[06:44] <nixternal> patching file common/config_file.c
[06:44] <nixternal> Unreversed patch detected!  Ignore -R?  I can't even build the intrepid version without it erroring out
[06:45] <ScottK> nixternal: OK.  It's not just me.
[06:45] <ScottK> It needs a proper patch system.
[06:45] <txwikinger> or Scotch
[06:45] <ScottK> Please go hunt down ryanakca and beat that into him.
[06:45]  * ScottK gets a refill.
[06:45] <nixternal> ScottK: I think the debian maintainer needs some beeting as well
[06:46] <ScottK> The patch is ours.
[06:46] <nixternal> oh, it is...my fault
[06:46] <nixternal> lets beet the debian maintainer anyways
[06:46] <nixternal> beat too
[06:46] <ScottK> OK, but fix it first then.
[06:46]  * nixternal hunts down ryanakca and beats "KDE-STYLE-QTCURVE NEEDS A PROPER PATCH SYSTEM" into him
[06:47]  * ScottK says good bye to what once was a very nice bottle of Glenlivet.
[06:47]  * ScottK wonders if Riddell would approve.
[06:48] <nixternal> ScottK: someone else may need a bit of smacking as well
[06:48] <nixternal> ie. look at the changelog, Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:14:15 +0000
[06:48] <nixternal> :)
[06:48] <nixternal> err, nevermind
[06:48] <nixternal> this dr. pepper must be getting to me :)
[06:50] <nixternal> Mon, 17 Mar 2008 - 0.55.2-1ubuntu2:  Add kubuntu_01_default_settings.diff for nicer defaults.
[06:50] <nixternal> :)
[06:51] <ScottK> Looks like jr gets a whooping too.
[06:51] <nixternal> hahaha, yup!!!
[06:51] <nixternal> get um!!!
[06:52] <ScottK> Nah.  Killing cruft tonight.
[06:53] <nixternal> wth
[06:53] <nixternal> KMail somehow made gmail think there are 2035 unread emails right now
[06:53] <nixternal> wow, big kmail boog
[06:53] <nixternal> damnit
[06:53]  * txwikinger just saw nixternal flying by
[06:54] <nixternal> hehe
[06:54] <txwikinger> Are you even allowed to fly by in this province?
[06:55] <nixternal> probably not
[06:55] <txwikinger> maybe kmail counts all those unread e-mails in the spam folder that all those M$ machines send out
[06:56] <nixternal> that was interesting
[06:56] <nixternal> I will have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can do taht again
[06:56]  * txwikinger wonders if in Ill dead e-mails are counted too
[06:57] <txwikinger> tomorrow or today after sleeping :D
[06:58] <nixternal> ya, today
[06:58] <ScottK> Well the Gmail IMAP implementation is, 'unusual'
[06:58] <ScottK> So I don't know I'd necessarliy blame Kmail.
[06:58] <nixternal> that was the first time I had ever saw that before, and I have been using their IMAP stuff in GMail since day one with mutt and had 0 problems
[06:59] <nixternal> well, not 0...there is one problem with refreshing deleted content across multiple labels
[06:59]  * txwikinger uses a proper imap server
[07:00] <txwikinger> my own
[07:00] <nixternal> to lazy to setup another imap server
[07:01] <txwikinger> maybe I should try kmail for a change
[07:01] <txwikinger> can I import all my thunderbird account settings?
[07:15] <ScottK> Mail you can import.  I don't remember about account settings.
[07:15] <txwikinger> Well.. I don't want to re-enter all my identities
[07:16] <txwikinger> It would make me feel like I have a multiple personality disorder :D
[07:19] <ScottK> No harm in trying.  If it doesn't, just don't use it.
[07:19] <txwikinger> well. or writing some conversion script :D
[07:24] <ScottK> Even better.
[07:29] <freeflying> anyone can do me sponsor main upload? http://kubuntu.3322.org/ttf-wqy/ttf-wqy-zenhei_0.8.34-cvs20081027-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:29] <freeflying> thanks
[07:42]  * ScottK looks
[07:42] <ScottK> freeflying: Why are we updating to a cvs snapshot?
[07:59] <freeflying> ScottK: they will release sometime, but I'm not sure when, so I want it to be in repositary, then we will have more feedback
[08:00] <ScottK> freeflying: OK.  Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[08:01] <freeflying> ScottK: hehe, welcome, I'm still a member of kubuntu
[08:01] <ScottK> Member or not, the contribution is appreciated.
[08:05] <freeflying> ScottK: anyway, thanks for your sponsor
[08:06] <ScottK> freeflying: You're welcome.
[08:20] <ScottK> jpds: Would you mind looking at kmediafactory and seeing if it can be fixed to be installable again?
[08:29] <Arby> morning all :)
[09:26] <apachelogger> google gadgets support in kde-nightly :D http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot198.png
[09:29] <Arby> shiny :)
[09:30]  * Arby does the shortest work day in history and prepares to leave :)
[10:44] <Lure> apachelogger: do you have googlegadgets package available fo us building kde from svn?
[10:45] <apachelogger> Lure: only if you use neon's Qt
[10:46] <Lure> apachelogger: what is special with neon's qt?
[10:46] <Lure> so jaunty qt is no good?
[10:47] <Lure> apachelogger: do you plan to package it for jaunty?
[11:21] <apachelogger> Lure: there is apparently someone working on it
[11:22] <apachelogger> didn't succeed in contacting him though
[11:22] <apachelogger> Lure: eitherway I plan to have it in jaunty
[14:19] <daskreech> What's the package nedded for KGHNS ?
[14:21] <apachelogger> kdelibs
[14:22] <daskreech> Hmm I installed that already
[14:22] <apachelogger> NCommander: did anyone test kmag on armel yet?
[14:22] <apachelogger> daskreech: whats the problem?
[14:22] <daskreech> Nothing heart rending My computer brokeso I'm using a nother one but a) it's hardy and b) It's gnome
[14:22] <daskreech> So I installed a few KDE apps to stay sane but they don't have KGHNS
[14:23] <apachelogger> KDE 3 apps?
[14:23] <daskreech> 4.1.3
[14:23] <apachelogger> we deployed 4.1.3 on hardy?
[14:23] <ScottK> No.
[14:23] <ScottK> Intrepid
[14:23] <apachelogger> daskreech: how did you get 4.1.3?
[14:24] <daskreech> >_<
[14:24] <daskreech> This is 4.0.5
[14:24] <daskreech> Wrong repo
[14:24] <daskreech> Booo
[14:24] <apachelogger> good chance it just was broken
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> now back to wondering why jockey-backend is crashing pykde...
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> oh well, at least jockey is partially populating the kcm *and* the ui is actually in the kcmshell rather than its own window :P
[14:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[14:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: backtrace?
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> thread naughtiness
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/95495/
[14:38] <apachelogger> threading--
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[14:42] <apachelogger> hm
[14:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is the code somewhere available?
[14:42]  * JontheEchidna grabs link
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/jockey/jockey-kcm
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> I've marked the code that causes the crash (and commented it out)
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> as a result jockey populates the ui with mostly nothing :P
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> I think that whenever the backend tries to use dbus to get infos for the frontend python throws a hissy fit
[14:45] <apachelogger> you don't have much of a dbus call do you :P
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> the AbstractUI class does that
[14:50] <apachelogger> hm
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do I has to do something to make it do install of the kcm properly?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I haven't actually set it up to install it yet...
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> copy the kcm.desktop to /usr/share/kde4/services
[14:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> mkdir /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> cp jockey-kcm.py /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> kbuildsycoca4
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> then it will be in the advanced tab of system settings under the "system" category
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> oh
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> cp mainkcmwidget.ui /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey too
[14:53] <apachelogger> ah, there we go
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> this is what it should look like after it stops crashing: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SVorpSpHQyI/AAAAAAAAAEA/_NcWq_5TOZI/s320/jockey-kcm-mock.png
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> thumbnail fail
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SVorpSpHQyI/AAAAAAAAAEA/_NcWq_5TOZI/s1600-h/jockey-kcm-mock.png
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> still need oxygen icons
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the question is why dbus access would crash
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you on jaunty or intrepid?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> intrepid
[15:05] <apachelogger> maybe that is the problem *shrug*
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm, could be
[15:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the problem is most likely within python though, the crash doesn't appear to be in pykde, it just happens to be that kind of crash that takes down everything ;-)
[15:07]  * apachelogger of course doesn't know anything about python debugging and thus wouldn't know for sure
[15:11]  * JontheEchidna ponders upgrading to jaunty
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: howdy
[15:12] <daskreech> Someone kick him
[15:12] <rgreening> hey. happy early new year :)
[15:12] <apachelogger> jussi01: do something
[15:12] <apachelogger> :'-(
[15:12] <rgreening> me monders getting drunk before noon today
[15:12] <apachelogger> eeeehh
[15:12] <apachelogger> I haz to scroll
[15:12] <apachelogger> meh
[15:12] <rgreening> s/monders/ponders
[15:12] <jussi01> apachelogger: I have no accesss here
[15:13] <daskreech> !ops
[15:13] <apachelogger> bad management
[15:13] <Sime> JontheEchidna: it is probably related to using the gobject based dbus lib from inside a kde program.
[15:13] <jussi01> grumble
[15:14] <rgreening> any ideas on how to make an iso for kubuntu lpia?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Sime: I have a feeling debugging this will be fun :P
[15:15]  * JontheEchidna wonders how to go about getting it to not crash
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wasn't debugging jockey always fun?
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> never this much fun
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just providing it with fake data should prevent the crash I guess
[15:16] <apachelogger> i.e. don't query them from dbus but just hardcode something
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but then the program doesn't work...
[15:17] <apachelogger> ~np
[15:17] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Deer Dance" by System of a Down [Toxicity, 2001]
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> unless you mean implement some of the backend in the frontend
[15:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good point ... but it doesn't crash
[15:17] <Sime> i played with this once, the trick was to call the gobject event loop when using the dbus bindings.
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> Sime: so this is something I'd want to discuss with the jockey dudes?
[15:19] <Sime> JontheEchidna: i'm guessing, but half of the problem might be that kcm doesn't use the gobject event loop which the dbus code needs.
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> thanks for the info
[15:20] <Sime> guessing...
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> your guess is as good as mine at this point :P
[15:27] <apachelogger> if koffice was any smaller it would be a lot better
[16:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If I remember right, one of our guidance-power-manager patches that awen did did a similar trick.
[16:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu10 is the upload in question.
[17:15]  * nhandler needs to spend some time on REVU to pass up vorian
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: cool, thanks. I'll take a look
[19:41]  * JontheEchidna begins to fear that this will require greater capabilities than his own to fix
[22:58] <NCommander> ScottK, or apachelogger, feel like sponsoring stuff :-)
[23:05] <jpds> NCommander et al.: Happy New Year!
[23:05] <nhandler> Happy new year to you too jpds
[23:06] <NCommander> happy newyear jpds
[23:06] <jpds> nhandler: You too!
[23:06] <jpds> Best of luck for 2009 everyone.
[23:12] <Sime> happy new year


[03:43] <shtylman> ev: I am not able to reproduce bug 556376
[03:44] <shtylman> maybe I don't have a steady enough hand :p
[03:44] <shtylman> I thought you said the problem was during the actual system install?
[09:05] <ev> shtylman: just use alt-f or enter to navigate :)
[09:35] <CIA-3> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r267 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (252 files in 5 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4047 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Only show the update link and release notes when a critical update
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: is available (LP: #554570).
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r268 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 21
[10:23] <amichair> hi cjwatson
[10:36] <cjwatson> oh, hi
[10:36] <amichair> I didn't realize ubiquity had it's own channel :-)
[10:37] <cjwatson> well, the installer in general, but yeah
[10:37] <amichair> isn't ubiquity == installer?
[10:38] <cjwatson> ubiquity is the desktop CD installer - there's also debian-installer, which it's based on, and which is used on the alternate and server CDs
[10:40] <amichair> oh, good to know
[10:40] <amichair> cjwatson: I'm going over the contributions page thing as you suggested
[10:40] <amichair> never heard of it before (and I did contribute to software-properties, jockey, kubuntu-notification-helper, etc.)
[10:41] <cjwatson> sometimes people are a bit slack :-/
[10:42]  * ev coughs, hides
[10:43] <amichair> cjwatson: btw why is copyright assignment necessary? doesn't gpl give all rights without touching on copyright assignment?
[10:43] <amichair> all freedoms, that is
[10:44] <cjwatson> not if you're in the position of trying to enforce the copyrights against infringement
[10:45] <cjwatson> (unfortunately ...)
[10:48] <amichair> cjwatson: I'm not sure what that means (patents?), but I sent u the agreement as requested :-)
[10:49] <cjwatson> thank you!
[10:49] <amichair> cjwatson: Anything else before we get to the fun stuff?
[10:49] <cjwatson> if you have to claim copyright infringement in court, in some jurisdictions, you have to have "standing", which can end up meaning going around collecting all the copyright holders before you can start
[10:50] <cjwatson> IANAL, that's my understanding
[10:50] <cjwatson> nope, all good ... let's see, there was one comment on your branch last night
[10:50] <cjwatson> shtylman said "the progress bar width is unbounded, which means the progress bar might expand/contract with different text ... which looks weird from a ui perspective"
[10:51] <amichair> cjwatson: which progress?
[10:52] <amichair> the first or the second? btw do u have terminology for the first phase/window vs the second?
[10:54] <cjwatson> that's all he said, I'm just relaying :-)  shtylman's on US East Coast time, should be up in a few hours
[10:54] <amichair> oki
[10:54] <cjwatson> not really, we talk about the "install progress bar" sometimes
[10:54] <cjwatson> versus the bit where we ask questions. :-)
[10:54] <amichair> maybe configuration vs installation or something :-)
[10:55] <cjwatson> or copying, since that's most of the second stage
[10:56] <amichair> both progress bars take up the full width they're allotted, I haven't seen them shrink nor expand just stay fixed
[10:57] <amichair> but then I'm not too familiar with Qt layout idiocyncracies
[10:58] <cjwatson> nor I, so I hope shtylman will expand on his comment
[10:58] <cjwatson> 21:13 <shtylman> other than that.. it seem ok
[10:58] <cjwatson> 21:14 <shtylman> the ui can be tweaked later if needed
[10:58] <amichair> or shrink!
[10:59] <amichair> (sorry, just woke up - my sense of humour doesn't kick in for a couple more hours)
[10:59] <cjwatson> so I'm going to go ahead and merge this for now for post-beta-2, it seems like a net plus and nobody emitted any major screams
[10:59] <CIA-3> tzsetup: evand * r517 tzsetup/ (debian/changelog tzsetup):
[10:59] <CIA-3> tzsetup: Add a 15 second timeout to the wget of geoip.ubuntu.com
[10:59] <CIA-3> tzsetup: (LP: #556890).
[11:00] <cjwatson> it would be great if you could try to keep an eye on new bugs arising from it, but we'll try to let you know if anything seems to regress that's traceable to this branch
[11:00] <amichair> cjwatson: ok, though I don't mind waiting for shtylman and fixing up some more
[11:00] <cjwatson> we can always merge again
[11:01] <amichair> cjwatson: general q, it looks like there's a whole lot of open issues, what ur policy on triaging/testing/fixing?
[11:01] <cjwatson> if you're planning to stick around, after you've been around for a while, we can give you direct commit access
[11:01] <cjwatson> fix as much as possible as quickly as possible? :-)
[11:02] <cjwatson> ubiquity is a bit of a bug magnet because nearly everybody uses it and it has a lot of weird cases
[11:02] <cjwatson> we've been trying to move to pychecker/pyflakes to avoid the more embarrassing errors, but are not quite at the point where we can run them automatically and enforce passes
[11:02] <amichair> cjwatson: yesterday I had the unfortunate experience of trying to install a new kubuntu system with a beta1 live cd. Even using all defaults, it crashed before completion. Hence the question about testing policy, if any...
[11:03] <cjwatson> automatic system testing is fundamentally a bit tricky, although I believe ev had made a start on a test suite
[11:03] <cjwatson> I would dearly love us to be doing better here, but we aren't right now
[11:03] <ev> indeed.  I hope to make progress tomorrow and get that landed by the weekend.
[11:04] <cjwatson> ooh, that close?
[11:04] <amichair> I'm not even referring to unit/auto testing... a standard install, with all default settings, crashed consistently...
[11:04] <cjwatson> also, the closer the GTK and the KDE frontend code can be made to be, the less likely we are to have bugs
[11:04] <amichair> the kubuntu oem doesn't complete either (as of yesterday's daily, I believe)
[11:04] <cjwatson> amichair: all images are smoke-tested and Kubuntu beta-1 did pass that level of testing - I assume it must have been due to some variation that wasn't picked up in smoke-testing
[11:05] <amichair> pressing the skip button crashes the gui as well... it's pretty basic stuff
[11:05] <cjwatson> I was actually in the middle of a Kubuntu OEM run so that I could fix that
[11:05] <amichair> anyway, lucky for everyone, I try not to complain (well just a little), but to fix :-)
[11:06] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4048 ubiquity/ (5 files in 5 dirs): merge lp:~amichai2/ubiquity/fixes
[11:06] <CIA-3> tzsetup: evand * r518 tzsetup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.26ubuntu7
[11:06] <cjwatson> part of the problem has been that KDE frontend maintenance slipped a bit this cycle, and so it got out of sync with GTK in a few places
[11:06] <amichair> is there a special bot in this channel?
[11:07] <cjwatson> we need to get more of the KDE frontend components moved into the plugin structure so that it's easier to maintain stuff in one place
[11:07] <cjwatson> yes, http://cia.vc/, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development
[11:07] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development#IRC%20notification indeed
[11:08] <amichair> I see the common backend withe different frontends design, which is pretty sound on its own too
[11:09] <amichair> (some other utilities really lack it)
[11:10] <amichair> cjwatson: as for the oem install, I couldn't reproduce riddell's reported error, but instead I got stuck in a loop (installer seems to end, restart, and installer starts anew)
[11:11] <amichair> btw I'm doing all my testing on a virtualbox for now, if it makes a difference
[11:15] <cjwatson> I normally use kvm
[11:32] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4049 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-language.py): Fix backing up to the language page in the KDE frontend.
[11:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4050 ubiquity/ (86 files in 4 dirs):
[11:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Update handling of "Ready to install" etc. templates to account for the
[11:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: removal of the separate welcome page.
[11:55] <amichair> cjwatson: going over the docs... the readme discusses backporting in 6.06/6.10/7.04, perhaps this should be updated with newer releases, or removed altogether?
[11:55] <ev> heads up: bug 557210
[11:56] <cjwatson> amichair: maybe, not a high priority though :-)
[11:56] <amichair> cjwatson: nope :-)
[11:57] <amichair> I just call'em as I see'em :-)
[12:15] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4051 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[12:15] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * KDE frontend:
[12:15] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  - Hide install_process_label ("installation process") and
[12:15] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  breadcrumb_install ("Install") when running as oem-config; providing
[12:15] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  alternative strings would break string freeze, and the UI should look
[12:15] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  OK without them (LP: #540929).
[12:26] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4052 ubiquity/debian/changelog: Add LP bug reference.
[13:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4053 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.templates):
[13:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Bring back the debconf translation for password_extra_label. The
[13:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: KDE frontend still uses it (LP: #557192).
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4054 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Fix a small typo that was preventing the duration string on the
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: language page from being translated (LP: #551633).
[13:36] <ara> cjwatson, new logs attached to bug 556555
[13:41] <shtylman> amichair cjwatson: I was referring to the progress bar at the top of the window when going through the steps. It's width is now unbounded and I wasn't sure what that would mean when you started setting and changing the progress text
[13:42] <shtylman> its possible that it will just pick the first width it starts with, but I think that the width needs to be smaller... otherwise the progress bar is too wide which looks weird imho
[13:42] <shtylman> thats all I was referring to
[15:43] <amichair> shtylman: hi there
[15:47] <shtylman> amichair: howdy... thanks for fixing those bugs :)
[15:47] <amichair> shtylman: same to u (times 100?)
[15:47] <shtylman> heh
[15:48] <ev> mpt: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/timezone-map-10.04.png
[15:49] <amichair> shtylman: 'when going through the steps' is the preparation stage or installation stage?
[15:51] <amichair> or shall we call them "first" and "second" progress bars
[15:53] <amichair> or in other words, can u explain the potential bug scenario?
[15:55] <shtylman> amichair: the progress bar at the top of the preparation stage
[15:56] <shtylman> the one that comes and goes
[15:56] <shtylman> I noticided that its width was changed? correct?
[15:56] <shtylman> and was just wondering how not having a fixed width set would affect its size when the progress text is changed
[15:57] <shtylman> from a gui perspective... it would be nice if the width was always the same (aka fixed width)
[15:58] <amichair> shtylman: yes, it was a bit under half of the window width, and some of the text didn't fit it, so I made it full window length (like the second progress bar)
[15:58] <amichair> shtylman: did u see it not in full width? to my understanding, it exapnds to occupy all available space (which is entire width minus skip button when it is shown)
[15:59] <amichair> in my testing at least, the width remained fixed
[15:59] <shtylman> amichair: full width minus the "installation process" text?
[16:00] <amichair> shtylman: there's installation process text, then a small spacer, then progressbar, then optionally skip button
[16:00] <shtylman> my main concern is that the progress bar is too big and distracting in that case... maybe not tho
[16:00] <shtylman> thats why I limited the size last time... I didn't want it to distract the user too much
[16:01] <shtylman> imho some of the progress text could be made shorter maybe? cause often it may go away before you can even read lots of text
[16:02] <shtylman> but this is something that can be explored later too see what balance of size can be achieved
[16:03] <amichair> ok
[16:03] <amichair> I don't think distracting is a problem, since it's there for the user to look at
[16:04] <shtylman> gotcha
[16:04] <amichair> and I think it's a bit more consistent with the later progress bar 'feel'
[16:05] <amichair> as a matter of fact, i would be nice if the installation phase was not a separate window but the last page in the same preparation window (and without a few seconds of no window in between)
[16:05] <amichair> but that's probably a much bigger change
[16:06] <shtylman> amichair: I have toyed with that idea and the real problem there is informing the user that they are in a live environment and can minimize at an time
[16:06] <shtylman> amichair: I might give that idea a try this weekend
[16:06] <shtylman> it could look quite nice imho
[16:06] <amichair> then they can share the window, progressbar, look-and-feel - I think it's a much smoother experience
[16:06] <shtylman> right
[16:07] <amichair> perhaps it's possible to pop a little bubble near the minimize button saying as much, when the last installation phase is started?
[16:08] <shtylman> amichair: indeed... that may be possible
[16:08] <shtylman> another idea is to ignore that "problem"
[16:08] <shtylman> the user might eventually mouse over that icon
[16:08] <shtylman> and minimize anyway
[16:08] <amichair> I don't remember, does it have a tooltip?
[16:08] <shtylman> iirc the first slideshow page says something about being able to use the live cd?
[16:08] <shtylman> amichair: yea... it should
[16:09] <amichair> then it's less of a problem, indeed.
[16:10] <amichair> a baloon might still be nice though, showing off the 'I'm a live cd' thing explicitly :-)
[16:10] <shtylman> right
[16:10] <shtylman> yea... I think I like some of these ideas.... deff worth a try
[16:10] <amichair> but I want to close issues here, not add extra work :-)
[16:10] <shtylman> right
[16:11] <shtylman> well... from what you have on the branch... it looks fine
[16:12] <ev> install phase in same window> we'll be discussing that at UDS.
[16:12] <amichair> the only thing gui-wise I found disturbing (as a user) is that the window disappears for a few seconds before the other progress window shows up, so streamlining that would be great, all else remaining the same
[16:12] <amichair> ev: yeah, exactly that
[16:13] <amichair> I'm +1 for that, fwiw :-)
[16:13] <ev> indeed, that's a long standing criticism that we'll be fixing in Maverick
[16:13] <shtylman> ev: cool
[16:14] <amichair> but more importantly, how do we get ubiquity to stop crashing?
[16:14] <shtylman> amichair: we want it to stop crashing?
[16:14] <ev> with lots of unit tests
[16:14] <amichair> shtylman: I'm all for random crashes, it's the consistent ones that I dislike :-P
[16:15] <shtylman> ahh
[16:15] <amichair> or the user-initiated ones, like pressing the 'skip' button
[16:15] <amichair> hehe... I got a real quick fix:
[16:15] <amichair> change the label to 'Crash' instead!
[16:16] <cjwatson> is there a traceback from the skip button crash?
[16:16] <cjwatson> or a bug?
[16:16] <amichair> usability at it's best :-)
[16:17] <amichair> I may have been looking in the wrong places, but I think it's a bug. there's an apt cancellation exception that's caught, properly logged, and sometime shortly after the gui disappears while the installation continues
[16:17] <amichair> (I was surprised to see a few minutes later the 'restart now' message box appearing)
[16:18] <cjwatson> any crash is of course a bug.  I meant a filed one, with logs :)
[16:19] <amichair> cjwatson: oh, I thought u meant crash with trace as opposed to hiding the window while still working
[16:19] <cjwatson> well, there's usually some kind of log from things going wrong like that, somewhere
[16:19] <cjwatson> it might not manifest as a crash dialog
[16:22] <amichair> maybe bug #127871
[16:22] <amichair> though it's pretty old
[16:24] <amichair> or bug #530543
[16:26] <cjwatson> well, I mean something current, usually resurrecting old crash bugs isn't too useful
[16:27] <amichair> It's trivial to reproduce, just didn't want to upen multiple duplicate bugs. Will do it gladly if u like.
[16:28] <cjwatson> dups are fine, the thing that sucks is people piling in on existing bugs with multiple problems :-/
[16:28] <amichair> ok, which logs will be useful?
[16:29] <cjwatson> use 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity'
[16:37] <amichair> cjwatson: I run that right after the crash?
[16:38] <ev> yes
[16:38] <cjwatson> yes, after exiting the installer so that it flushes its logs
[16:38] <amichair> ev: Thanks
[16:38] <amichair> cjwatson: how do I exit the installer? wait till it gives the reboot message?
[16:39] <cjwatson> yeah, then say continue
[16:39] <amichair> ok, gotta run out for a bit, bbl
[17:08] <dmarkey> cjwatson: hey there, is there any hope for 531883 before release do you think
[17:09] <dmarkey> i.e. Include Xen Modules in 64bit install initrd
[17:11] <cjwatson> dmarkey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-April/009770.html
[17:12] <cjwatson> I'll mark that bug as a dup
[17:12] <dmarkey> any chance of xenfs aswell? :)
[17:13] <cjwatson> dmarkey: "also" comments like that have a very poor chance of being seen.  You should file a separate bug.  Also :-), you know that this stuff is done by the kernel team, not by us, right?
[17:13] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-kernel
[17:13] <dmarkey> ohh
[17:13] <cjwatson> BTW, is anyone going to care if this stuff is 64-bit only?
[17:14] <dmarkey> well, 32bit needs to be PAE, which is a seperate bug
[17:14] <cjwatson> I'm asking whether that's something we need to do
[17:14] <cjwatson> we won't make the default 32-bit installer kernel PAE, but if it's needed we can build a separate image
[17:14] <cjwatson> I only want to do that if it's actually needed, though
[17:14] <dmarkey> yes please
[17:15] <cjwatson> it will get used, then?
[17:15] <dmarkey> it will, but i've only tested the 64bit installer
[17:15] <dmarkey> would you be able to roll me an image that i can test?
[17:15] <dmarkey> or point me where i could
[17:16] <cjwatson> not today, and there's presumably no point until the kernel change I linked to lands
[17:17] <dmarkey> hmm.. sorry for ingorance, but when will that be
[17:17] <cjwatson> I don't know; ask #ubuntu-kernel?
[17:17] <cjwatson> after beta-2
[17:17] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4055 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[17:17] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Fix backing up past partitioning when manual partitioning was
[17:17] <CIA-3> ubiquity: selected (LP: #557210).
[17:17] <dmarkey> cool
[17:17] <dmarkey> home time
[17:17] <dmarkey> talk later thanks
[17:17] <cjwatson> oh, hm, will need to get them to produce generic-pae udebs as well
[17:18] <cjwatson> blah.  will do that on the train tomorrow
[17:20] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4056 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/ (gtk_ui.py kde_ui.py): Add missing return and KDE code to previous commit.
[17:21] <cjwatson> anyway, the amd64 side of things should I think happen largely automatically at this point, aside from xenfs
[18:06] <dmarkey> so we have 2 options there, include the module, or find out why its not detecting the console without it
[18:09] <amichair> cjwatson: opened bug #557434
[18:17] <amichair> Is there a list of bugs that need to be squashed before Lucid release?
[18:53] <amichair> shtylman: any other kde frontend bugs I can help with?
[18:54] <rgreening> ev: ping
[18:56] <shtylman> amichair: ev said the frontend hangs on timezone page when you don't move the mouse (bug 556376), if you can reproduce that or look into it that would be good... I will be trying to deal with it as well later today
[18:57] <amichair> shtylman: ok, I'll try
[18:58] <shtylman> amichair: thanks
[18:58] <rgreening> ev: usb-creator seems to mount the partitions from my usb stick automatically. I guess this is ok, however, and interesting side effect is that if I now close usb-creator-kde without making the startup disk, it leaves the partitions mounted. This is problematic for current KDE as KDE's Solid back-end is still using HAL, and Solid/HAL cannot umount any device mounted by UDisks. This leaves the device hanging for the user. Thoughts?
[18:59] <rgreening> ev: I can probably commit a fix for the kde frontend to unmount when Exit or Close button is clicked...
[19:00] <amichair> shtylman: just got a crash instead :-(
[19:05] <shtylman> amichair: heh
[19:06] <shtylman> thats good too :)
[19:06] <amichair> bug #557487
[19:16] <amichair> shtylman: can't recreate the former, but can the latter, consistently - just press back on timezone page.
[19:17] <shtylman> k
[19:38] <amichair> shtylman: I think this bug is related to your recent change in ubi_language, although the code looks protected
[19:39] <amichair> shtylman: so might it be a race condition or something like that?
[19:40] <shtylman> amichair: k... I can take a closer look tonight
[19:52] <amichair> shtylman: actually, I think it might have just been fixed in trunk. Any good trick for testing trunk on a livecd?
[19:53] <shtylman> amichair: haha yea... I do actually
[19:53] <shtylman> it depends on which parts you want to test.. but what I do is generally:
[19:53] <shtylman> branch the code onto my main development machine
[19:53] <shtylman> build the debs from that code
[19:54] <shtylman> that makes sure that components that are not python get updated
[19:54] <shtylman> those debs can be installed into the live cd environment
[19:54] <shtylman> for the python bits, I mount my main box in the livecd environment
[19:54] <shtylman> through sshfs or nfs
[19:55] <shtylman> then I have a script which symlinks the python files to their place in /usr/lib/ubiquity ...etc
[19:55] <amichair> I think I can get away with just python for now :-)
[19:55] <shtylman> this allows me to edit the python files on my main machine, and then just run the installer in a virtual machine
[19:55] <shtylman> with the python updates being instant
[19:56] <amichair> you link all the files by name? is there a shortcut to do them all at once?
[19:56] <shtylman> amichair: I hope that made sense
[19:56] <shtylman> amichair: I have a script which can link and unlink
[19:56] <amichair> shtylman: yeah, it's sortof what I had in mind
[19:57] <shtylman> unfortunately I don't have ssh on my box at home (im at work) ... so I can't get to the script
[19:57] <amichair> sometimes I mount and then copy, change and test etc. and then copy back the final version
[19:57] <shtylman> yea... I never copy... cause then I risk loosing changes
[19:58] <shtylman> this way I can just mount once, link and work
[19:58] <shtylman> and I just have a script that does the mounting and one that does the initial link
[19:58] <amichair> guess I'm not entirely in the linkin' linux state of mind yet
[19:58] <amichair> but getting there...
[19:59] <amichair> but the mounting u have to do manually no? how do u get the script into the live session?
[19:59] <shtylman> copy it manually
[19:59] <shtylman> obviously something has to be done manually :)
[20:00] <amichair> ok, I'll play around with it some more :-)
[20:01] <shtylman> k
[20:01] <amichair> shtylman: Thanks!
[20:01] <shtylman> no prob... I will post my link script when I can get to it
[21:09] <dmarkey> root=(/dev/sda,1) is that valid in grub.cfg?
[21:27] <dmarkey> seemingly not, cjwatson have to talk to you in the moring :)
[22:01] <cjwatson> more or less valid, yes
[22:02] <cjwatson> it's not really relevant since set root is generally superseded by the uuid search right after it
[22:45] <amichair> shtylman: the second bug (crash when pressing back in tz page) was indeed just fixed intrunk. The skip remains. If there's anything u need help with, don't hesitate to ask... (though I might need a tad of guidance)
[22:47] <shtylman> amichair: cool... will do
[22:47] <shtylman> amichair: is the bug where the installer hangs still there?
[22:48] <amichair> shtylman: the one when the mouse doesn't move?
[22:48] <dmarkey> cjwatson: you sure it doesnt have to be a numberic, i.e. (0,1)
[22:48] <amichair> shtylman: couldn't recreate it, tried several times, also in other languages (as riddell's remark said), etc - but nada
[22:49] <dmarkey> numeric*
[22:49] <shtylman> amichair: k thanks for trying
[23:45] <CIA-3> wubi: Agostino Russo * r179 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/wubi/backends/common/backend.py): Avoid error due to null cd_path (LP: #552357)


[12:44] <bluesabre> 👋
[18:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Glad you're back!  https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mate-polkit/news/20230811T085255Z.html we may want to switch.
[18:57] <Unit193> ...You had me worried. :3


[02:52] <sncder> hi, guys, I want to build my own img used for application deploy. does anybody know how to that?
[03:04] <sncder> any one here?
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1704517 changed: Deploy status of 2 nodes <logs> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1704517>
[09:27] <mup> Bug #1719271 opened: grub package in xenial-proposed will change boot order for a MaaS deployed system <apport-bug> <arm64> <package-from-proposed> <uec-images> <xenial> <MAAS:New> <grub2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719271>
[11:15] <BlackDex> Hello there
[11:15] <BlackDex> I'm trying to pxe boot using a vlan configured on the nic, but it seems the systems isn't possible to connect to the iscsi then
[11:30] <BlackDex> it does start the commisioning image etc... but after that it tries to connect to the network, and that failes. I Think because it doesn't use a VLAN.
[11:30] <BlackDex> How can i fix this?
[14:10] <mup> Bug #1719316 opened: Unable to commision/deploy(/enlist) when having a tagged only network setup <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719316>
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1719353 opened: [2.3a3, Machine listing] Improve the information presentation of the exact tasks MAAS is running when running hardware testing <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719353>
[15:52] <mup> Bug #1719353 changed: [2.3a3, Machine listing] Improve the information presentation of the exact tasks MAAS is running when running hardware testing <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719353>
[16:04] <mup> Bug #1719353 opened: [2.3a3, Machine listing] Improve the information presentation of the exact tasks MAAS is running when running hardware testing <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719353>
[16:15] <bdx> few architectural questions
[16:18] <bdx> the name "rackd" almost makes this overly obvious, that a maas-rackd should run in each physical rack .... but what is the underlying reasoning that I should use to determine when another rackd is needed?
[16:19] <bdx> I'm thinking network spaces might be a reason to have separate rack servers
[16:20] <bdx> like you have desperate networks and need to put a rack server in each local to facilitate the maas management of those networks
[16:21] <bdx> but if you have networks that span racks
[16:21] <bdx> and (hypothetically) the servers on each rack are all on the same flat maas-mgmt network
[16:22] <bdx> then would I still want a rackd server on each physical rack?
[16:25] <bdx> ahh, I think I see
[16:25] <bdx> the reasoning for having a rackd on each rack, is for performance
[16:26] <bdx> not to reach different address spaces or locals
[16:26] <bdx> just simply, performance
[16:26] <bdx> cool
[16:28] <bdx> hmmm, but if I have multiple rackd on the same mgmt-net, do they coordinate which one offers each service e.g dhcp, pxe, iscsi, ntp?
[16:29] <bdx> or do I need to have separate maas-mgmt network for each rack, so each rackd can have an affinity to a address space?
[16:31] <bdx> my blades aren't really super high density, each node is a 1U, and I have ~30 nodes per rack
[16:32] <bdx> so would 30 nodes really constitute the need for an affinity for their own rackd server?
[16:33] <roaksoax> bdx: you dont need 1 rackd for each rack, you can have 1 rackd for multiple racks -> wich is what ppl usually do
[16:34] <mup> Bug #1719361 opened: [2.3 alpha 3, Hardware testing, machine listing] Remove success icons for components that passed the tests fill the screen and surface this information in a better way <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719361>
[16:34] <roaksoax> bdx: you can have 2 racks for the same management network if you want HA and things like that
[16:36] <bdx> roaksoax: but the rackd on the first rack, and the rackd running on the second rack won't balance the load? its only for HA?
[16:37] <bdx> or do they get a vip endpoint between them and get loadbalanced to - something to this effect?
[16:37] <roaksoax> bdx: not only for ha, but for pxe booting can happen
[16:37] <roaksoax> bdx: you need to enable DHCP for it to work
[16:38] <roaksoax> bdx: it wont be loadbalanced
[16:38] <roaksoax> bdx: it uses nuderlying isc-dhcp HA feature
[16:39] <bdx> roaksoax: I have 4 racks ... ~100 servers that I'll be checking into this maas
[16:41] <bdx> I have a 24core/64GBram node I had set aside for a region + rack controller
[16:42] <bdx> roaksoax: do you think with just 4 racks, I will have a need to decouple and HA the things?
[16:45] <bdx> I was thinking I would just setup another maas for whatever is added next and just leave this maas region+rack to handle these ~100 nodes
[16:45] <bdx> so, possibly I don't need to plan this maas to scale really
[16:47] <bdx> I'm going to go for an all in 1 region+rack controller for the 4 racks and see if I hit my head on anything
[16:47] <bdx> I'll report back here this week sometime
[18:16] <roaksoax> bdx you could handle those 100 machines with a single region+rack no problems
[20:31] <mup> Bug #1719440 opened: [2.3, UI, regression] Expanding Description text box on Vlan Details page, causes all other editable fields to expand <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719440>
[22:32] <mup> Bug #1719473 opened: MAAS adding domains to dns-search field that are unnecessary <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719473>


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[00:03] <dusf> Soupermanito: almost, it says i need to exit x for it to install. i have been logging out and holding ctrl+alt+f4 to bring up a tty, what should i be doing?
[00:04] <Soupermanito> press crtl-alt-F[1-6] now and enter a tty, from there run the script, if it says it wont kill the x server kill it yourself by sudoing top and killin Xorg
[00:05] <dusf> Soupermanito: sudo top then kill xorg?
[00:05] <Soupermanito> also, this is how the file that i downloaded looks -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29648476 2011-05-18 19:13 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-270.41.06.run
[00:06] <Soupermanito> in sudo you will see the PID of X you can kill it from there
[00:06] <Soupermanito> in top i mean
[00:06] <Soupermanito> i will reboot pretty fast tho
[00:06] <Soupermanito> i don't remember how you can force init 2
[00:07] <Soupermanito> m00se, how can you force init 2 if you are already runing x?
[00:07] <Soupermanito> i mean, how do you kill the x server for a while
[00:08] <m00se> unplug it
[00:08] <m00se> if that doesn't work, water usually does
[00:08] <Soupermanito> unplug?
[00:08] <Soupermanito> XD
[00:18] <dusf> Soupermanito: managed to get into a tty on boot by selecting it from ubuntu recovery mode
[00:19] <Soupermanito> :D
[00:19] <Soupermanito> great
[00:19] <Soupermanito> installed it then?
[00:19] <dusf> when running the script it warned the preconfigured distrubution script failed, but i continued anyway, that cool?
[00:19] <Soupermanito> you should
[00:19] <Soupermanito> if you are using it now
[00:19] <Soupermanito> :) if you can see stuff now then stuff worked
[00:24] <dusf> Soupermanito: nvidiqa server settings displays the same driver as it did before 270.41.06
[00:24] <dusf> and lspcia -k still outputs Kernel modules: nvidia, nvidia-173, nvidia-current, nouveau, nvidiafb despite my purging of it, and additional drivers still says it's in use but not active
[00:24] <dusf> Soupermanito: nvidiqa server settings displays the same driver as it did before 270.41.06
[00:24] <Soupermanito> :P
[00:25] <Soupermanito> well you learned something by doing something completely unnesesary then
[00:25] <Soupermanito> what? is not active?
[00:25] <dusf> lol
[00:25] <Soupermanito> O_O
[00:25] <dusf> yup
[00:25] <Soupermanito> but, but... it should!
[00:25] <dusf> Soupermanito: http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=12057&highlight=
[00:28] <Soupermanito> dusf, do your modprobe blacklist still shows up the blacklisted drivers?
[00:29] <Soupermanito> i haven't used 11.04 yet, don't know if i want to
[00:32] <dusf> Soupermanito: dude, is there anyway we can take this up tomorrow? i'm worn out and it's 12:30am here
[00:32] <Soupermanito> :)
[00:32] <Soupermanito> im almost always here
[00:32] <Soupermanito> except when im not
[00:33] <dusf> i'll find you ha
[00:33] <dusf> tyvm for all the help :)
[00:33] <Soupermanito> :)
[00:33] <Soupermanito> not a problem :D
[00:33] <Soupermanito> thats what i like to do, even when i dont really know a lot, it helps me to understand more
[00:34] <dusf> Soupermanito: pro tip: we should probably have checked if ubuntu repo's nvidia-current was the same as the one from nvidia's website :)
[00:35] <Soupermanito> ;)
[00:37] <dusf> Soupermanito: do you know if people can roll back from 11.04 to 10.10? i'm just getting something to eat so not gonna do it now, just wondering
[00:37] <Soupermanito> i dont think you could
[00:38] <Soupermanito> you can do a clean install of 10.10 tho
[00:48] <dusf> Soupermanito: i've done so many installs recently i'm not sure i can face another :)
[00:48] <dusf> night bro
[00:49] <Soupermanito> :D
[00:50] <Soupermanito> is gone :P
[00:53] <drc> Huh, I thought -current was 270.41.06?
[03:04] <pomke> Hiya all :) I'm running natty with xfce installed and I think there is some unity/gnome sillyness going on that has eaten my gtk app menu bars, in unity I believe they do the osx thing and put them on the top of the screen
[03:05] <pomke> Is there a way I can get them back?
[03:40] <Animental> How do e'r'body?
[03:45] <preecher> good
[03:46]  * Animental blinks :| ...Quiet in here...
[03:46] <preecher> yup
[03:48] <rww> always is. #xubuntu is a little slow
[03:52]  * Animental has a n00b question.
[03:53] <Animental> Quick question: just updated my server running Xubuntu with some recent updates (still 11.04) and I can no longer connect to it using it's hostname, just IP addy. Wha happen?
[05:14] <Soupermanito> ok i want to know if i can install xfce 4.8 on xubu 10.04? it comes whit 4.6.1
[05:16] <Sysi> you can try compiling but do it without older xfce installed and you won't get support from here
[05:20] <Soupermanito> :(
[05:20] <Soupermanito> okay i wont
[05:20] <Soupermanito> i luv you guys
[05:20] <nit-wit> Soupermanito, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/xfce-48-ubuntu-1004-and-1010-ppas.html
[05:20] <nit-wit> we wuv you tooooooooo
[05:21] <Sysi> i haven't heard any comments about 10.04 ppa:s, 10.10 packager just said he won't do it for 10.04 because it would have too much problems
[05:21] <X|2> man i'm really digging xubuntu on my old laptop! just blows me away it works this good on this old of a machine
[05:21] <Soupermanito> D: but 10.04 is lts
[05:22] <Sysi> that doesn't make it better than other releases
[05:22] <Sysi> if you care about LTS stuff, consider that PPA can break system too, and they're unsupported
[05:22] <nit-wit> Sysi, if done correctly there should be no problems.
[05:23] <Sysi> nit-wit: well otherly there propably wouldn't be any ppa:s
[05:24] <nit-wit> Sysi, that is just what I found,  I have upgraded desktops on xfce several times no problems. The ppa's are launchpad , your rhetoric is in line with warning but it is a warning .
[05:25] <nit-wit> Sysi, I have never had a problem with a ppa.
[05:26] <Soupermanito> X|2, :D welcome to the awesome world of xfce
[05:27] <Sysi> nit-wit: i generally had problems with xubuntu so i switched to fedora
[05:27] <Soupermanito> D:
[05:27] <nit-wit> Soupermanito, if you worried clone the xfce install, an extra image is the best insurance anyway.
[05:28] <Sysi> ..and i gave up xfce, it's great and stable but i've kinda seen it
[05:28] <nit-wit> Sysi, so your exsperience =everybody elses eh.;)
[05:28] <Sysi> nit-wit: hey, it worked great for two years
[05:29] <nit-wit> ;)
[05:29] <Soupermanito> :P i tried lxde, but i didnt liked it
[05:30] <Sysi> panel and windowmanager setup is lacky compared to xfce
[05:30] <nit-wit> I have lubuntu configured with compiz and the cube it is nice.
[05:30] <nit-wit> natty lubuntu
[05:30] <Soupermanito> i never liked the cube thing
[05:30] <Sysi> i've never like setupping compiz
[05:31] <nit-wit> Soupermanito, I always y=thought it was kind of wierd but for desk top switching with a wheel click and a flp I like it.
[05:32] <Sysi> i'm now using kde and gnome-shell, latter feels still a bit unfinished so i may go for kde-netbook
[05:32] <Soupermanito> yeah, but i disable virtual desktops, i dont find them useful
[05:34] <Sysi> virtual desktops are andy if you need group of windows visible at once
[05:34] <Sysi> *handy
[05:34] <Soupermanito> never had that need
[10:03] <bin_bash> Hello. I'm using swap. Don't want to be. I forget... how can I turn it off?
[10:03] <bin_bash> I want it to use RAM first
[10:06] <gr8m8> have a look at man swapoff
[10:06] <gr8m8> basically it is just   sudo swapoff   but you are using swap for a reason
[10:07] <TheSheep> bin_bash: it uses ram first, always
[10:08] <dusf> are the ubuntu forums the best forums to post for xubuntu support?
[10:08] <TheSheep> yes
[10:08] <bin_bash> TheSheep, I know but I have 4 gigs of RAM, and I'm using half a gig, and then it switched to swap
[10:08] <bin_bash> there's no reason for that
[10:09] <dusf> TheSheep: ty
[10:09] <dusf> bin_bash: how can you tell when it switches to swap?
[10:09] <bin_bash> dusf, i'm using conky
[10:10] <dusf> ty
[10:10] <bin_bash> yep
[10:10] <bin_bash> conky is great
[10:11] <gr8m8> bin_bash:  there's stuff you can do in /etc/sysctl.conf but again you are using swap fpr a reason
[10:12] <gr8m8> s/fpr/for/
[10:12] <bin_bash> there's plenty of RAM available
[10:12] <gr8m8> some apps use swap on purpose afaik
[10:12] <bin_bash> Why?
[10:13] <gr8m8> ...
[10:14] <bin_bash> what's the point
[10:15] <gr8m8> why fight it
[10:16] <bin_bash> because i had a lot of problems with swap crashes previously
[10:38] <Ascavasaion> My Xubuntu system will not shut down.  I select logout, then shutdown and then it gives me the startup splash screen, I then choose the shutdown option bottom right and it blanks the screen and gives me the Xubuntu logo with mouse silhouetted by the moon and goes no further.  Any ideas or pointers?
[10:40] <bin_bash> have you tried dropping into a cli?
[10:42] <Ascavasaion> bin_bash: Nope... I thought it would just shut down for me.
[10:43] <Ascavasaion> bin_bash: I cannot do anything... Ctrl Esc, Ctrl Backspace, Ctrl F1 etc... nothing works.    This is an old machine. maybe it cannot shut itself down and this is Xubuntu's way of telling you it has finished shutting down?
[10:47] <bin_bash> uh
[10:47] <bin_bash> no
[10:48] <Ascavasaion> Alt F1 does nothing.
[10:48] <bin_bash> when you hit shutdown
[10:48] <bin_bash> and you get to the login screen
[10:48] <bin_bash> hit alt+f1
[10:48] <Ascavasaion> Okay, I will have to hard reboot and then try again.
[10:48] <gr8m8> try from a terminal   sudo shutdown -h now
[10:49] <Ascavasaion> I know how to shutdown from command line, but this PC is for mymother and command lines and her are nota good idea.
[10:50] <gr8m8> it was just to check the shutdown process first
[10:50] <bin_bash> ^
[10:50] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, okay... let me try that then.
[10:52] <Ascavasaion> Okay, I went into terminal emulator... then typed sudo shutdown -h now and I was given a black screen with the same xubuntu emblem with the mouth silhouetted against the moon and that is as far as it goes.
[10:53] <gr8m8> if it hangs a quick press of the power button might switch it off
[10:53] <gr8m8> "might"
[10:53] <Ascavasaion> Nope, I tried that.
[10:53] <gr8m8> k
[10:54] <Ascavasaion> If I press the power button quickly from the desktop then it goes into hibernation mode and I cannot get it back out of it.  If I press and hold the power button it goes off.
[10:54] <gr8m8> but try the quick press after shutdown command and it hangs
[10:55] <gr8m8> bbiab
[10:55] <Ascavasaion> gr8m8: If I do that then I get Power saving mode that I cnanot get computer out of.
[11:39] <gr8m8> Ascavasaion:  after sudo shutdown?
[11:39] <Ascavasaion> yes.
[11:40] <gr8m8> weird...
[11:46] <gr8m8> Ascavasaion:  what type of computer is it? the model
[12:30] <Ascavasaion> How do I create networking accounts in Xubuntu?  I tried the Network tool on the desktop at the top, I added a new account, entered IPs, subnet, gateway, DNS etc.  I then saved it.  How do I get it to activate that network account?
[12:39] <dusf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1762436
[12:44] <Ascavasaion> dusf: That is not meant for me hey? hehe
[12:49] <Ileden> Hi! I'm using Ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed. When I move windows around, they leave a background color trail, which disappears after a while. This does not happen in Gnome, with or without compiz. Is there some way to ramp up acceleration or somesuch on xfce to remove this effect?
[12:50] <TheSheep> Ileden: do you have xfdesktop running?
[12:50] <Ileden> TheSheep: no idea. how do I tell?
[12:50] <TheSheep> try to run it
[12:51] <Ileden> is already running
[12:52] <TheSheep> do you have compositing enabled in window manager tweaks?
[12:52] <Ileden> TheSheep: No. That fixed it. Thanks!
[12:55] <Ileden> Hmm, the windows move around nicely now, but I'm still getting the same weird slow window draw effect that I get on Gnome. I installed xfce on this to troubleshoot. So the problem is not with the window manager (would have gladly switched to xfce if it'd fix the issue). *sigh*
[12:56] <Ileden> You guys/gals have any idea on what could be causing this? It takes like, 1s to redraw the screen after switching workspaces - and there are only three windows...
[12:58] <Ascavasaion> How do I create networking accounts in Xubuntu?  I tried the Network tool on the desktop at the top, I added a new account, entered IPs, subnet, gateway, DNS etc.  I then saved it.  How do I get it to activate that network account?
[13:05] <TheSheep> Ileden: what graphis card do you have?
[13:06] <TheSheep> Ascavasaion: click on the network icon and select it from the list
[13:06] <Ileden> TheSheep: Radeon HD 3650 AGP
[13:06] <Ileden> TheSheep: already asking about it on #radeon too
[13:06] <Ascavasaion> TheSheep: It does not appear.
[13:08] <Ascavasaion> TheSheep: When I click on it it says "device not managed"
[13:09] <TheSheep> Ascavasaion: did you configure it manually in /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:10] <TheSheep> Ascavasaion: if you did, network manager won't touch it
[13:12] <Ascavasaion> TheSheep: No, from the desk top.
[13:14] <Ascavasaion> TheSheep: Thanks for the pointer... I just edited that file manually and rebooted, I am sure it will be fine now.
[13:22] <Ascavasaion> TheSheep: All sorted out now :)
[13:44] <dahaic> Ileden: and what driver do you use?
[13:45] <dahaic> Ileden: of couse if #radeon members didn't solve it already
[13:46] <dahaic> it seems like you don't have proper drivers in use
[14:23] <dusf> i am having a lot of problems with nvidia/jockey/wine/opengl since upgrading to 11.04, if you have time please look over http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1762436
[14:36] <netrat> i'm having a problem with xubuntu 11.04 restoring my previous session/windows when i log in. i've gone to settings, session and startup to make sure, automatically save session on logout, is unchecked but it does not help
[14:37] <dahaic> netrat: did you upgraded from the 10.10?
[14:37] <netrat> no it was a fresh install
[14:37] <Sysi> if you already have saved session, remove it/them: rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions
[14:38] <netrat> Sysi, already did that and it did not help
[14:38] <Sysi> it still opens windows? what apps
[14:39] <charlie-tca> remove both ~/.cache and ~/.gconfd/saved_session
[14:39] <netrat> charlie-tca, okay i'll try that... be back in a few
[14:40] <Sysi> i'd set it to prompt on logout and uncheck the tap, it stays like it after you've done it once
[14:40] <netrat> charlie-tca, i do not have a saved_session file, but i do have a saved_state. is that the file you are referring to?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> yes, sorry
[14:42] <charlie-tca> session menu in 11.04 no longer has the prompt.
[14:42] <charlie-tca> you have to right click the panel, click panel, click logout to get the prompt to save sessions now
[14:43] <Sysi> alt F4 (or what you ever set it to be) gives the old prompt
[14:43] <netrat> that did not work, i deleted the saved_state and everything in ~/.cache/sessions
[14:43] <netrat> when i just logged back in the previous programs i had running started
[14:45] <charlie-tca> did you logout/login or restart?
[14:46] <netrat> logout/login
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Sysi: alt+F4 is kind of mean. It must first close any open app in the workspace, then it will give the prompt
[14:48] <Sysi> charlie-tca: i would never log out without closing apps :P
[14:49] <charlie-tca> heh, I never close mine
[14:54] <netrat> i delete the saved_state file while i was logged into xfce. after i logged out i went to a terminal, ctrl+alt+f1, and the saved_state file had been recreated when i logged out.... xubuntu is still saving my last session
[14:55] <Ascavasaion> what packages do I add with apt to get MP3s and MP4 to play in Xubuntu?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> netrat: Did you use the session menu to logout? try deleting them, make sure all windows are closed, right click the panel, click panel, click logout, make sure save sessions is unchecked there too
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Ascavasaion: xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:57] <netrat> yes saved session is unchecked there
[14:57] <Ascavasaion> charlie-tca: , thank you.
[14:57] <netrat> charlie-tca, and yes i used the logout button on the top right of the screen
[14:57] <charlie-tca> did you delete it from that tty and do a restart from there?
[14:58] <netrat> charlie-tca, yes i did delete it and nothing was restored when i logged back in
[14:58] <netrat> charlie-tca, you want to try deleting the session menu and then add it back?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> Then it should be working to not retore now, until you shutdown with windows open again
[14:59] <charlie-tca> no
[14:59] <charlie-tca> session menu does not have the checkbox to save the session, so you have to use the logout in the panel to uncheck it now
[14:59] <netrat> charlie-tca, so i can not shutdown with windows open???
[15:00] <charlie-tca> it will automatically save the session when you do, IIRC
[15:00] <netrat> charlie-tca, so i can't disable it from saving my session?
[15:01] <netrat> what is the save session option for then?
[17:12] <cr0wb4r> Hello
[17:12] <xrdodrx> cr0wb4r, hi
[17:13] <cr0wb4r> I am having problems with blender (3d modeling program). It seems to be an ubuntu specific problem. When I open up blender 2.57 the fonts are all messed up.
[17:14] <cr0wb4r> This only happens in Ubuntu based distros for me. Any suggestions?
[17:14] <cr0wb4r> I can provide a screen shot of what I mean if that helps.
[17:15] <cr0wb4r> http://i.imgur.com/JK3RL.png
[17:16] <Sysi> if you start it from terminal, do you get any errors? i assume it's installed from repositories
[17:17] <cr0wb4r> No, the repositories have 2.49, an older version. 2.57 is the latest stable.
[17:18] <cr0wb4r> no errors just "found bundled python: /home/cr0wb4r/blender-2.57b-linux-glibc27-i686/2.57/python"
[17:19] <cr0wb4r> That is the only output until you quit and then it displays "Blender quit"
[17:20] <cr0wb4r> I have tried disabling compositing, but that didn't help either.
[17:20] <Sysi> hum, can't say without knowledge about blender font usage, you should maybe try their irc channel or #ubuntu
[17:21] <Sysi> basically stuff outside repositories is unsupported
[17:21] <cr0wb4r> Well thank you for your time Sysi.
[17:22] <Sysi> somebody here *could* know but since it isn't exactly xubuntu-related..
[17:23] <cr0wb4r> Well if anyone here does know, I would appreciate a pm if you are not suppose to discuss it in the main channel :)
[17:23] <ochosi> cr0wb4r: have you tried asking in #blender?
[17:24] <KM0201> how would i go about making an icon, that would execute a terminal command when i click it?
[17:24] <cr0wb4r> no that is my next place. Main reason I asked here was because I have had no issue with it on Gentoo, Arch, or OSX.
[17:25] <cr0wb4r> KM0201, Create a launcher. In the properties box tell it the command you want it to run, and check "run in terminal".
[17:25] <KM0201> hmm, ok
[17:25] <KM0201> for some reason i thought it would be more difficult than that
[17:26] <cr0wb4r> nope :)
[17:28] <Sysi> on about every other DE it is harder
[17:37] <bios__> hi is there a way to asign keyboard layout switch to a global shortkey?
[17:49] <xubuntu634> Nett hier
[17:58] <Soupermanito> oh well i floped up my nvidia drivers
[18:03] <Soupermanito> o reinstallins seems to have fixd it but now everything looks blurry
[18:04] <erebus> Hey. Can someone add jin download to launchpad? https://launchpad.net/jin http://www.jinchess.com/unix_download
[18:04] <Soupermanito> ah there, fixed it from the monitor auto setup
[18:05] <Soupermanito> erebus, its a jar
[18:06] <erebus> Soupermanito: yeah
[18:06] <erebus> Soupermanito: its time we get this package for ubuntu
[18:06] <Soupermanito> but its just a jar, you can download it and play it
[18:06] <erebus> Soupermanito: yeah
[18:06] <erebus> i cant get why we dont have this package
[18:07] <erebus> with synaptic
[18:07] <Soupermanito> because its a jar
[18:07] <Soupermanito> you dont need synaptic for it
[18:07] <Sysi> so far there hasn't been interested packager
[18:07] <erebus> Sysi: if i want to package it
[18:08] <erebus> Sysi: how can i do it?
[18:08] <Sysi> you'd then need to maintain it too
[18:08] <Sysi> ad ubuntu developers
[18:08] <Sysi> ask*
[18:08] <lemraish> guys, how do i add my synclient settings to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d folder?
[18:08] <lemraish> so that they be on startup?
[18:10] <Sysi> lemraish: create file 10-synaptics.conf there and put synclient commands there (that's from archwiki, try if it works)
[18:12] <drc> Sysi: I thought it was 50-synaptics.conf?
[18:12] <lemraish> Sysi, thanks a lot. did it work for u?
[18:14] <Sysi> read my entire line, people
[18:16] <TheSheep> reading is hard
[18:17] <Soupermanito> indeed
[18:20] <lemraish> Sysi, sorry, log out happened. in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d there's already 50-synaptics.conf with a simple config. so i just paste synclient options here?
[18:22] <Sysi> try and see
[18:22] <lemraish> ok
[20:06] <new_kid1> Hi, where does dnsmasq stores the cached name to ip records?
[20:07] <new_kid1> Already tried Google
[22:16] <xrdodrx> is thunar slow to open for anyone else?
[22:23] <eut> i've accidentally migrated my old panel configs from the last version of ubuntu, is there a way to generate new ones with the default settings?
[22:45] <karol> What is command to update xubuntu in terminal??
[22:46] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:52] <xrdodrx> is there a xubuntu forum


 HI! There is an issue with discover, apps aren't show unless is run with sudo. It also happens in kubuntu. I case someone wants to file the bug.
 haven't tested a clena install, only upgrades from 20.04 (in both cases)
 Will see if I can  reproduce it..did you upgrade from 20.04 to what version? (re @HMollerCl: HI! There is an issue with discover, apps aren't show unless is run with sudo. It also happens in kubuntu. I case someone wants to file the bug.)
 yes 20.04
 Sorry but from to 20.04 to what newer version? i.e. 20.10 21.04? (re @HMollerCl: yes 20.04)
 21.04 to 21.10 (and before that 20.10 to 21.04)
 ok fine will test in progress..
 thanks!
 Clean install - no error found - am now testing upgrading from 20.04 (re @HMollerCl: 21.04 to 21.10 (and before that 20.10 to 21.04))
 Finished the upgrades @HMollerCl 20.04 to 21.04 to 21.10 and unable to reproduce your bug. Discover works perfectly..
 Thanks @Leokolb
 for me updated from 21.04 to 21.10, is working


[15:02] <rhabbachi> elacheche: are you working with kong?
[15:27] <elacheche> nope rhabbachi
[15:28] <rhabbachi> elacheche: You just stumbled on the repo and liked the project? :D
[15:29] <elacheche> rhabbachi: I like projects that I need to review later and try when  I have spare time
[15:29] <elacheche> Once tried I unstar it (or not)
[15:32] <elacheche> seems weird? x)
[15:34] <rhabbachi> elacheche: Gotcha,  well looks fine for me. I actually just star the projects that I really like but may not be using.
[15:34] <rhabbachi> We are using kong for one of our projects, checkout the plugins list https://konghq.com/plugins/
[15:34] <u-la-la> [ Plugins - KongHQ ] - https://konghq.com
[15:35] <rhabbachi> Some goodies are payed (open core model), but you can leverage the open source ones to cover for most of the cases.
[15:36] <elacheche> Thanks for the feedback.. Someone on #gentoo-chat mentioned https://www.express-gateway.io do you have any feedback on that?
[15:36] <u-la-la> [ · Express Gateway ] - https://www.express-gateway.io
[16:45] <rhabbachi> elacheche: Nope, have not heard of it till now
[16:59] <Chikore> elacheche, nzoueidi yo!


[12:39] <sabotage> rusty_: I just checked in with halley
[12:39] <sabotage> he's having some trouble with dbus examples (compilation and seg faults)...I'm going to see if I can help
[12:41] <rusty_> sabotage, you know... instead of futzing around with native code, you can make some pretty cool python apps
[12:41] <rusty_> at least for testing out some concepts
[12:41] <rusty_> and my code gives a good example of how to interact with dbus
[12:41] <sabotage> yeah, I was just looking through your code, I see the dbus stuff in there
[12:42] <rusty_> it's really simple
[06:12] <rusty_> bobux, you listening?
[06:31] <moimart> hi jobi :)
[06:33] <ferulo> ey moimart
[06:33] <ferulo> how is it going?
[06:35] <moimart> fine man, what about you?
[06:37] <moimart> trying to access vpn
[06:37] <ferulo> hehe
[06:37] <ferulo> fine too
[06:38] <moimart> you still at work?
[06:38] <ferulo> yup
[06:39] <ferulo> is tko around?
[06:39] <moimart> no im in a room with ubuntu and intel guys
[06:39] <moimart> tko is just outside attending DAM
[06:41] <moimart> lucasr: hi :)
[06:41] <lucasr> moimart, hei
[06:41] <lucasr> moimart, how is it going?
[06:42] <moimart> cool, im stuck in a room here in google with ubuntu and intel guys
[06:42] <moimart> how about over there?
[06:42] <lucasr> moimart, pretty calm
[06:42] <lucasr> moimart, nothing to worry :-)
[06:42] <moimart> concepting and bugfixing i guess :)
[06:43] <moimart> great :)
[06:43] <lucasr> moimart, yep
[06:43] <moimart> are you still at work as well?
[06:43] <ferulo> I lost again at Wii
[06:43] <lucasr> moimart, nope
[06:43] <moimart> ferulo: do what lucasr, GO HOME!
[06:44] <ferulo> wait I need to finish some stuff
[06:44] <lucasr> moimart, ferulo, he's playing Wii at work so it's ok :-P
[06:44] <moimart> ferulo: I'll be back and the spanish empire will regain his glory at Wii
[06:44] <moimart> :)
[06:45] <lucasr> moimart, nah, the brazilian empire owns the Wii world
[06:46] <moimart> lucasr: come on guys, you have already soccer, leave us at least the Wii
[06:49] <bspencer> tko, are you guys nearby?
[06:50] <moimart> bspencer: we are in a room pretty close to DAM room
[06:50] <moimart> bspencer: rusty was calling you i think
[06:51] <moimart> i think the name is uDuntu
[06:51] <moimart> not really sure
[06:57] <bspencer> moimart, where are you guys?
[06:57] <bspencer> is rusty near you?
[06:57] <bspencer> I'm in the same room we were before -- behind Matt (currently speaking)
[06:57] <moimart> just sitted in front of me
[06:57] <bspencer> ah
[06:58] <bspencer> about docs -- have you discussed adding doxygen comments to the source and auto-generating at  build time?
[06:58] <rusty_> we will crack the door open
[06:58] <bspencer> what room is it?
[06:58] <rusty_> we are just left of the speaker
[06:59] <bspencer> in the big room -- in the back?
[06:59] <bspencer> I'm lonley
[06:59] <rusty_> we just peeked out and didn't see you
[07:00] <moimart> the guys are gonna rescue you
[07:00] <moimart> :)
[07:00] <lucasr|dinner> moimart, have you met elijah?
[07:00] <bspencer> I'm in the room we were in before
[07:00] <bspencer> I'll come after Matt stops
[07:00] <rusty_> bspencer, no, we have a much better room
[07:00] <moimart> lucasr|dinner: yeah, really nice guy
[07:00] <lucasr|dinner> moimart, :-)
[07:00] <rusty_> just walk behind mdz and make funny faces
[07:01] <moimart> we didnt talk so much about we are working on
[07:01] <moimart> just some comments
[07:01] <bspencer> moimart, I heard you were an entertainer in a previous life.
[07:01] <moimart> pianist you mean :)
[07:01] <bspencer> oh, I thought dancer
[07:01] <bspencer> ;)
[07:02] <moimart> well, actually I played it for a flamenco company
[07:02] <moimart> of dancers!!!
[07:02] <moimart> to me, dancing is for monkeys :)
[07:02] <moimart> just kidding
[07:03] <bspencer> there's bound to be a piano somewhere on the campus for you to play
[07:03] <bspencer> moimart, how can we contribute docs to your upstream?  doxygen comments in the code,  or other?
[07:03] <moimart> we followed another approach
[07:04] <bspencer> yeah, nothing.
[07:04] <moimart> gtk-doc + doocbook
[07:04] <bspencer> sounds like Matt is wrapping up
[07:04] <moimart> is that nothing?
[07:28] <sabotage> rusty_ are you listening
[07:29] <rusty_> yeap
[07:29] <sabotage> when are you back
[07:30] <sabotage> halley is asking...
[07:38] <bspencer> tomorrow
[07:42] <rusty_> yea, we fly back tonight and will be in the office tomorrow
[07:52] <sabotage> rusty_:ok, I'm trying to make sure halley understands the priorities, and every time we talk, I think he understands, but then the next day he's back asking what priority the API is vs. the GUI


[04:51] <gmu_man> can anyone help me figure out why my system is crashing?
[04:58] <gmu_man> can anyone help me figure out why my system is crashing?  Anyone?
[05:02] <nalioth> gmu_man: #ubuntu is a better place to ask
[05:02] <gmu_man> i was refered here by Jordan_U
[05:02] <nalioth> then Jordan_U should be helping you
[05:02] <gmu_man> .... but he's not...
[05:02] <gmu_man> no matter... i'll just ask on the forums...
[05:03] <nalioth> gmu_man: the is a 'come here to get out of the massive traffic that is #ubuntu' channel
[05:04] <nalioth> this is, bleh
[05:04] <Jordan_U> I thought that this was the place for asking if people wanted lower traffic
[05:04] <nalioth> Jordan_U: no, you bring folks here to help them
[05:04] <Jordan_U> nalioth, Sorry then.
[05:05] <nalioth> Jordan_U: help gmu_man
[05:05] <gmu_man> :-)
[05:10] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, In what way is it crashing?
[05:10] <gmu_ninja> I am running a server and it has locked up twice without any warning...
[05:10] <gmu_ninja> no GUI
[05:10] <gmu_ninja> I access it through SSH, and run a file server using samba
[05:11] <Jordan_U> When it locked up could you even switch virtual terminals?
[05:11] <gmu_ninja> nope... nothing...
[05:11] <Jordan_U> Ok, so nvm on that question :)
[05:11] <gmu_ninja> the crashes only happened while writing a torrent download to a SMB share
[05:11] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, And it is not just the current ssh session that is locking up, you can't ssh in again?
[05:12] <gmu_ninja> no...
[05:12] <gmu_ninja> it crashes when my only connection to it is through samba
[05:12] <gmu_ninja> I am downloading a large file to a network drive to my ubuntu system, and it would crash
[05:13] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, Have you looked at the samba logs?
[05:13] <gmu_ninja> no, but I looked at the syslogs and found nothing...
[05:14] <gmu_ninja> which log should I look at?
[05:15] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, I don't use samba but I think the log files are in /usr/local/samba/var/nmbd.log and smbd.log
[05:16] <gmu_ninja> the only error I notice (repeted several times) is:
[05:17] <gmu_ninja> [2007/07/10 22:13:42, 0]  printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(159)
[05:17] <gmu_ninja>   Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read!
[05:17] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, Permissions problem possibly?
[05:17] <gmu_ninja> no, because it was working for over 24 hrs...
[05:18] <gmu_ninja> but just recently it would start, and then crash the server...
[05:18] <gmu_ninja> it outputs a bunch of garbage to the tty, but I can't read anything usefull
[05:18] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, Are you trying to print also or is this just a file server?
[05:19] <gmu_ninja> just a file server... but it is setup to load the printers...
[05:19] <gmu_ninja> but I don't use it as a network printer
[05:19] <gmu_ninja> or network print server...
[05:20] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, Then that error is probably unrelated to the crashing while sharing large files
[05:20] <gmu_ninja> yup
[05:20] <gmu_ninja> it's crashing while WRITING several large files, from Azurez (BitTorrent)
[05:21] <gmu_ninja> Azureus is running on windows, and saving the files to a ubuntu samba share
[05:21] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, Is Azureus running on the server or on another machine and being written to the server through samba?
[05:21] <gmu_ninja>  on another machine and being written to the server through samba
[05:21] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, Nvm, of course you wouldn't use azureus on a server
[05:22] <gmu_ninja> yea...
[05:24] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, I'm sorry then, I don't know what is wrong. Why aren't you running rtorrent on the server itself?
[05:24] <gmu_ninja> it's just more convienient for my setup...
[05:25] <gmu_ninja> no ideas on where to start?
[05:26] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, No, sorry, I don't use samba
[05:26] <gmu_ninja> ok... thanks anyways
[05:43] <Jordan_U> gmu_ninja, #samba possibly?


[04:15] <wxl> kereltis: i can't find the thing on the ubuntu store for some reason. is that to be expected? where's the code at?
[04:15] <kereltis> I haven't uploaded it yet
[04:15] <wxl> oh :)
[04:15] <kereltis> The app isn't in the store?
[04:16] <wxl> well that link you sent
[04:16] <wxl> i went there and when you click install it's supposed to take you to the store or whatever
[04:16] <wxl> it did
[04:16] <wxl> and then couldn't find it
[04:16] <kereltis> strange, it's showing as published
[04:17] <wxl> also the name is weird
[04:17] <wxl> what's it called again?
[04:17] <wxl> uolt right?
[04:18] <kereltis> yep
[04:18] <kereltis> I just clicked on the link and it shows it
[04:20] <wxl> i can see it at the link but the install button doesn't work
[04:20] <wxl> it goes to find it in the ubuntu store app and it's not found
[04:20] <wxl> manually searching fails too
[04:20] <kereltis> strange
[04:20] <wxl> the url is scope://com.canonical.scopes.clickstore?q=UOLT
[04:21] <wxl> see, so it's a search query
[04:21] <kereltis> It's not a scope though
[04:22] <wxl> well that's the url ubuntu-appstore uses
[04:23] <kereltis> I'm in my account and it says it's published with no problems, 1 person is using it in the UK
[04:24] <kereltis> I published it under social networking
[04:24] <wxl> lemme see
[04:24] <wxl> i assume the store updates on launch
[04:24] <kereltis> it should
[04:24] <wxl> opening social networking
[04:25] <wxl> i see ubuntu-it
[04:25] <wxl> but not uolt
[04:25] <wxl> maybe i need an updated for some odd reason
[04:25] <wxl> is there a minimum version?
[04:25] <wxl> i'm on devel-proposed but a wee bit behind
[04:25] <wxl> downloading mako 141 currently
[04:26] <kereltis> I got it, I bet it's because your on 14.10, I use Click Framework ubuntu-core-15.04
[04:26] <wxl> nope that ain't it. see above :)
[04:26] <kereltis> hmm
[04:29] <kereltis> Ok, under discovery it says "Not available in: None" and "Available in: None" but I don't seem to be able to change it.
[04:38] <kereltis> booting the emulator now, going to see if I can get to it from there
[04:51] <kereltis> I'm not seeing it either
[05:04] <kereltis> I'm going to take it down for now
[05:27] <wxl> well you can at least get the code up somewhere so i can manually install it :)
[05:49] <kereltis> I hope they expand this to scopes https://developer.ubuntu.com/webapp-generator/


[14:16] <mhall119> hey, does anyone know of a good web host that offers PHP5 and MySQL with InnoDB?
[14:31] <daker> mhall119, dreamhost ?
[14:32] <mhall119> have you used them?
[14:33] <daker> we used that to host the website www.ubuntu-manual.org
[14:33] <daker> you can check with godbyk in #ubuntu-manual
[14:34] <daker> he is the owner of the server he can give you more informations
[14:34] <daker> can
[14:34] <daker> oupps
[14:37] <mhall119> thanks
[14:37] <daker> no problem
[19:05] <dieki> newz2000: The old theme is still on paste.ubuntu.com instead of the new one I gave you. Was my theme in some way not suitable, or has it just not been uploaded yet?
[19:49] <dieki> newz2000: You there?