[14:23] <Amrit_> hello, i need help regarding LVM Layout that i accidentally applied and installed now i cannot see the ntfs drives which have all the important data ? please help ! urgent! :-(
[14:24] <Amrit_> hello, i need help regarding LVM Layout that i accidentally applied and installed now i cannot see the ntfs drives which have all the important data ? please help ! urgent! :-(
[17:07] <bobobo> hey guys I installed ubuntu 13.04 on macbook pro.  I am trying to kick up fanspeed, burning my legs off.  I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1645913&p=10246215#post10246215 , but when I try to install that package, I get E: Unable to locate package applesmc-dkms  Anyone know of a way to fix this?
[17:08] <bobobo> I also get this :  sudo pwmconfig # pwmconfig revision 5857 (2010-08-22) This program will search your sensors for pulse width modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your sensor chip supports pwm.  We will attempt to briefly stop each fan using the pwm controls. The program will attempt to restore
[17:08] <bobobo> However, it is ** very important ** that you physically verify that the fans have been to full speed after the program has completed.  /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[17:09] <bobobo> i think I stuck :(
[17:13] <bobobo> really just need to run the fans faster to bring down the temp.  Max is fine, just don't know how to do that :)
[17:23] <holstein> !info applesmc-dkms
[17:24] <holstein> bobobo: you shouldnt need to add anything.. what graphics are in the machine? intel?
[17:24] <bobobo> i guess, its about 2 years old
[17:25] <bobobo> how check
[17:25] <bobobo> sorry, forgot
[17:25] <bobobo> about this mac not available ;)
[17:27] <holstein> !macbook
[17:27] <holstein> bobobo: ^^
[17:29] <bobobo> MacBookPro8,3
[17:31] <holstein> bobobo: what did i do? i ran xubuntu in virtualbox, and "unloaded" my macbook ASAP
[17:31] <holstein> bobobo: you shouldnt need to do anything extra.. there are mac specific images you can try
[17:31] <holstein> bobobo: i find OSX runs hot in most cases as well
[17:32] <bobobo> yes it does... I was using smcfancontrol in OS X to run fans higher...just wondering if special way to do that in Ubuntu
[17:33] <bobobo> I am not missing OS X at all
[17:33] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/239877/macbook-8-1-ubuntu-12-10-cpu-heat
[17:33] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754431
[17:34] <holstein> you should parse those links for compatibility with 13.04 or whatever you are using
[17:34] <holstein> i dont have a macbook to personally test anything on
[17:35] <bobobo> k, thanks holstein
[20:24] <Unit193> wilee-nilee: Mir will be installed in "Ubuntu" for 13.10, but it'll be using the XMir function.
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> Unit193, Thanks, I was cleaning the carpets up to now, heh.
[23:54] <Meeken> So not all of the programs that have been vetted for safety under ubuntu, are listed in software center, right?


[00:00] <Zaben2> Anyone here able to help with a booting problem?
[00:01] <sarnold> irc works better with more specific questions :)
[00:03] <Maik> Zaben2: more info needed, what did you try and what are the system specs
[00:04] <Zaben2> I restarted my Ubuntu 20 PC and now the Bios isn't recognizing Ubuntu on my SSD. The files are still readable though. Is there a way to just reinstall Ubuntu on the SSD?
[00:06] <sarnold> boot into a rescue usb stick, chroot to the ubuntu installation, and then run update-grub -- that might do what needs doing
[00:06] <sarnold> but depending upon what's broken, it might be the wrong approach
[00:07] <genii> sarnold: ...also the usual things like mount dev, proc, sys
[00:07] <Zaben2> Okay let me try that
[00:09] <Zaben2> Just chroot /mnt/boot-sav/nvme0n1p2 for example?
[00:09] <Zaben2> Or chroot /dev/nvme0n1p2
[00:12] <Zaben2> sarnold
[00:12] <sarnold> Zaben2: once you've booted the thing, mount /dev/nvme*p2 onto /mnt  or similar ..
[00:13] <sarnold> Zaben2: .. then mount --make-private --rbind /dev  /mnt/dev
[00:13] <sarnold> sigh thanks firefox for the newline...
[00:13] <sarnold> mount --make-private --rbind /dev  /mnt/dev ; mount --make-private --rbind /proc /mnt/proc ; mount --make-private --rbind /sys  /mnt/sys ; mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/run ; mkdir /mnt/run/lock ; chroot /mnt /bin/bash --login
[00:14] <sarnold> (I got these from one of the paragraphs of https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html#rescuing-using-a-live-cd --- these bits of the instructions aren't zfs specific, but there's enough zfs stuff here that I didn't want to just send this page ;)
[00:23] <Zaben2> I'm now getting this error: mount: /boot/efi: can't find UUID=0822-FF9E.
[00:25] <sarnold> ugh I do not get along with uuid things for partitions, even i know why they were done that way ..
[00:29] <Zaben2> Yeah I don't know if I'm able to fix it this way, is there a way to just use a bootable drive to reinstall ubuntu on the SSD?
[00:30] <sarnold> you just gotta update that uuid to whatever it actually is, or put the /dev/nvme*p? device node in its place
[00:31] <Zaben2> Oh okay how do i change it?
[00:36] <sarnold> zibolo:
[00:36] <sarnold> zibolo: worry, tab-misfire :(
[01:25] <AccelShark> Trying to disable Nvidia proprietary drivers on boot then enable them later. I can't find a udev rule nor an initramfs hook.
[01:26] <sarnold> i think they've got a stupid setuid executable to load the kernel modules or something
[01:32] <AccelShark> that trick would cause it, guess I'll use nouveau or another FOSS alternative since 6.7 or 6.8 might've fixed the hardware acceleration on there and the 470 Kepler driver will EOL in a few months...nouveau was stable before
[01:35] <Guest76> Is freecad no longer part of Ubuntu after 24.04 upgrade?
[01:36] <Guest76> apt install freecad tells me "freecad has no installation candidate"
[01:38] <sarnold> it looks like it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freecad
[01:38] <Guest76> does this mean that something is wrong with apt, then?
[01:39] <Guest76> apt-cache search freecad shows nothing
[01:39] <sarnold> it was deleted intentionally
[01:39] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freecad/+publishinghistory
[01:39] <sarnold> it looks like one of its dependencies didn't work with the version of python https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1055697
[01:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1055697 in src:pivy "pivy ftbfs with Python 3.12" [Serious, Fixed]
[01:40] <sarnold> and got deleted
[01:40] <sarnold> and that meant freecad didn't work
[01:40] <sarnold> and when the problem was fixed a few days later, it never got put back
[01:41] <Guest76> damn ... welp, I guess I gotta build it from source then :/ ... hopefully the apt package will be back up later
[02:52] <meustation> it will probably sound like a dumb question, but I've been out of the loop for a while, going from LTS to LTS, but also at some point switching to a new laptop. hardware change was around the time when Unity replaced Gnome. I'm not sure what happened next, distributionwise. I'm planning to start using compiz again, is it compatible with a default lts? (it showed up on synaptic so I should have the proper packages installed)
[02:52] <meustation> I'm planning to set it up on 2 different machines, both, as far as I can tell, with 22.04.04, Wayland (whom I've never heard about and that apparently gives some error I did not understand when invoking vlc from the command line, though apparently working fine after that) and gnome 42.9
[03:15] <Bashing-om> meustation: Welcome back into Ubuntu // New laptop with latest hardware ? Then may I suggest that the latest LTS release, 24,04, may be a better option. And yeah the new kid on the block is "Wayland" as the replacement for Xorg. However Xorg does remain available.
[03:16] <meustation> nope, no new laptop, just not as old as the one that kicked the bucket after years of dutiful service
[03:18] <pycurious> when one sets up an sftp server for a user, how does one make sure that sftp asks for a password?
[03:19] <meustation> 24.04 LTS looks a bit too fresh for my needs and capabilities, I tend to wear out my LTS installs until near the end of support. I need and prefer a stable and tried system, otherwise I'd still be on windows
[03:19] <Bashing-om> meustation: Ack -- well as you like and are comforable with compiz - The Unity Desktop has been revived: https://ubuntuunity.org/.
[03:25] <meustation> would that be an unofficial flavor of ubuntu?
[03:26] <Bashing-om> meustation: Nope - Unity DE is official :P
[03:27] <meustation> gotta admit I'm not sure I understand the various levels at which graphical systems differentiate themselves; like, I'm not sure I grasp the difference between desktops and window managers.
[03:27] <meustation> bear in mind that I started with Dapper Drake when the whole thing could be reduced to choosing between gnome, kde or xfce
[03:29] <Bashing-om> meustation: As they say " different strokes for different folks" // each flavor with a different Desktop Environment and different default apps.
[03:29] <meustation> I would've thought Xorg was something nearer to the trunk than to the branches, is that change to this Wayland thing something that comes from the debian level of system buildup
[03:29]  * meustation forgot the question mark at the end
[03:34] <Bashing-om> meustation: Xorg has become a monstrosity to maintain // developers/maintainers just do not want to continue supporting it. Wayland is where the focus of attention is -- but it do have its issues and growing pains. // This conversation is devolving from "support" direct - perhpa best we move this to #ubuntu-discuss ?
[03:52] <LuckyMan> pycurious, I don't use sftp nowdays, but I'm sure it has a configuration file
[04:18] <devslash> I've got an cron task that runs a backup script but it doesnt seem to be running and hasnt made a backup in a little while. When I run the script manually it creates a backup. I verified that the cron service is running
[04:24] <devslash> This is the cron task thats supposed to run at 3 am every morning: 0 3 * * * screen -S backup -dm /root/rsyncScript
[04:45] <younder> cron is a bit old fashioned. It is built into services these days.
[04:46] <ice9> what's the difference between nvidia drivers (metapackage, server driver metapackage, open kernel metapackage) ?
[04:46] <tykling> devslash: make sure you are using full paths for everything in /root/rsyncScript that is a frequent issue because cron has a different $PATH than your interactive shell does
[05:10] <realivanjx> anyone tried mpv with snap? where to store the mpv.conf?
[06:18] <Moeez> can i get image of ubuntu for VXI Vm
[06:25] <Cbro> Hi all, I am getting this error https://dpaste.com/2DWGHSPL2 when trying to install a python module in a virtual env
[06:25] <Cbro> using pip
[06:25] <Cbro> I am on Ubuntu 24
[06:26] <Cbro> Is this the right channel for this query?
[06:47] <Moeez> where i can get ubuntu image for VXI VM
[06:54] <realivanjx> is ubuntu 24.04 using x11 by default? i just reinstalled using the 24.04 iso and it gives me x11
[06:58] <realivanjx> somehow my /etc/gdm3/custom.conf sets wayland enable to false
[07:00] <CosmicDJ> realivanjx: yes X11 is still the default
[07:01] <toddc> realivanjx: possible Nvidia card can cause that driver to swap to X11 but wayland is default
[07:03] <realivanjx> huh i wonder what swaps it since im using amd integrated gpu
[10:38] <sebass> Pipewire wrong profile for audio interface presonus studio 68c
[10:43] <sebass> has anybody an idea for changing pipewire channels from surround to 6channel i/o
[11:49] <ice9> what's that? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3Xubhknr
[12:29] <oerheks> ice9, likely you are switching keyboard layouts
[12:29] <oerheks> from comment #32 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1857392
[12:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1857392 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym..." [Low, Confirmed]
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi alll
[14:11] <ph88> how can i get rid of this when updating packages?  https://bpa.st/3AFA
[14:15] <leftyfb> ph88: it tells you the answer. You have duplicate entries in your 3rd party repo. Specifically, vscode.list
[14:16] <leftyfb> ph88: you have a vscode.list and a vscode.sources which have matching entries
[14:28] <ph88> how can i get rid of this when updating packages?  https://bpa.st/3AFA   (computer crashed, have to re-ask)
[14:28] <ravage> ph88: you have a vscode.list and a vscode.sources which have matching entries
[14:28] <ravage> Quoting lefty
[14:29] <ph88> ye i don't know how that happened. which one should i remove? the sources one? just delete that file??
[14:29] <ravage> You remove the wrong one
[14:30] <ravage> Or both and check their documentation again
[14:30] <ravage> Personal hint: remove it completely and do "sudo snap install codium"
[14:30] <ravage> No 3rd party sources needed
[14:31] <ravage> And no telemetry and tracking
[14:36] <ph88> ravage, that's a good idea only that i don't trust snap .. too many programs not working with it
[14:37] <ravage> Then continue to trust Microsoft. No problem :)
[14:38] <ph88> what about codium with deb install ?
[16:05] <jhutchins> ph88: If those changes were made during a package install, it's best not to manually delete things. Un-do whatever triggered the change.
[16:06] <jhutchins> ph88: Look at the date of the files in question.  Which is older?  Does dpkg -S <file> know where they came from?
[16:15] <ashafq> How do I enable AAC codec for pipewire on Ubuntu 24.04?
[16:20] <ravage> Rebuild it yourself or maybe someone already did it and there is a PPA
[16:20] <ravage> Use your favorite search engine
[18:13] <rideout> Does anyone know how to get hibernation working in Ubuntu 24.04 with full disk encryption?
[20:10] <etienne_> hello
[20:12] <PTNapivoski> ehlo!
[20:13] <kronixx360> hi


[01:53] <mhall119> daker: where did you find out about the com.canonical.Oxide namespace? Is that in the device images and SDk now?
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:48] <daker> mhall119: it's already used by browser-app and webapps
[07:38] <_lxndr_> Hi, I am trying to build Ubuntu touch image for Samsung GT-I9000 phone and get the following error "ERROR: boot size (11108352) is 141.25% of limit (7864320)
[08:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Nurses Day! :-D
[08:11] <mpt> dholbach, popey: <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute> is over a year out of date in some places. Perhaps <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers> could be merged into it.
[08:12] <popey> aha! so that's where the link to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview/+filebug is!
[08:12] <popey> will update, thanks mpt
[08:12] <mpt> yes :)
[08:15] <dholbach> thanks popey
[08:24] <lespionrusse> hey guys, i was wondering if any of you knows about ubuntu touche on a S3 9305
[08:25] <lespionrusse> i ve been waiting for it for a while but there's still no release yet. Is it possible to install a rom for 9300 on a 9305 instead?
[10:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:22] <davmor2> Saviq, thostr_: do you guys know which application add the missplaced red dot to text fields for a bug report?
[10:25] <davmor2> Saviq, thostr_: this is the red dot http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-05-12-111506.png
[10:26] <Saviq> davmor2, it looks like tha map overlays that
[10:26] <Saviq> davmor2, it looks like a pin on a map?
[10:27] <davmor2> Saviq: yeah it's on all text fields now though
[10:27] <Saviq> davmor2, yikes, talk to SDK folks
[10:33] <ogra_> davmor2, i filed a bug against the browser for this last week
[10:33] <davmor2> ogra_: ah nice
[10:33] <ogra_> bug 1317866
[10:34] <ogra_> oh, the red dot ...
[10:34] <ogra_> i only filed it for the misaligned text
[10:34] <ogra_> (sorry, blindly clicked the screenshot and only read the comments afterwards)
[10:35] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah the red dot starts to the left of the magnifier so it is out of alignment as you type
[10:35] <ogra_> right
[10:35] <ogra_> the text is off too though :)
[10:35] <davmor2> ogra_: indeed
[10:38] <davmor2> ogra_: updated your bug with an image :)  and confirmed
[10:38] <ogra_> thanks !
[10:38] <davmor2> ogra_: oddly though I don't seem to be able to add tags
[11:01] <Laney> hey mpt, I'm just looking at issues with the updates interface in u-s-s; is it a bug that it tries to install a system update when it finishes downloading (automatically)?
[11:01] <mpt> Laney, yes it is.
[11:01] <Laney> ...and that you don't get a confirmation when you pick 'install' for a completely downloaded one
[11:02] <Laney> mpt: do you know if that's filed?
[11:02] <mpt> Laney, <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Phone>: “Therefore the default is for system updates to download in the background, prompting you only for the actual installation.”
[11:02] <Laney> mpt: Right, I didn't get from that that the installation should only happen after an explicit trigger
[11:03] <mpt> Laney, really? Do you understand “prompting” to mean something else, or what?
[11:04] <Laney> The download starts automatically and then when that is finishes you are prompted to install and restart or not
[11:04] <Laney> You don't have to say "install this now"
[11:04] <Laney> and I think that the current behaviour does sound like it implements the specification
[11:05] <Laney> But I just realised that it's probably not what was intended
[11:06] <mpt> I’m not sure what you mean by “you are prompted to install and restart or not”
[11:06] <mpt> Are you saying that one of the options you are given is to install without restarting?
[11:06] <Laney> No
[11:06] <Laney> As soon as the automatically-started download finishes you're shown the prompt
[11:06] <Laney> if you're still within the updates panel, that is
[11:07] <mpt> (Sorry I haven’t seen this for a while, because the updates panel claims it can’t find my Ubuntu One credentials)
[11:08] <Laney> I'm wondering if it should be (1) the download proceeds automatically, (2) the user clicks 'install', (3) the prompt is shown
[11:08] <mpt> Laney, ok, that much is correct
[11:08] <Laney> at the minute we don't have (2)
[11:10] <mpt> Laney, right, so when the download finishes, if you happen to be on the Updates screen, you get the dialog. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#installing-mobile-system> If you’re not on the Updates screen, you get the emblems. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Prompting>
[11:10] <Laney> okay, then we're alright, modulo emblems not being implemented
[11:11] <mpt> But in neither case should a system update ever install automatically.
[11:11] <Laney> Indeed not
[11:13] <Laney> ah, (c) in "Because system updates…" says this
[11:14] <mpt> Laney, there doesn’t seem to be a bug report about that in particular. <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings?field.searchtext=update>
[11:14] <Laney> mpt: Now, another question, if you say "Not now" then the "Install <n> Updates" button still causes the system update installation attempt even though you just dismissed it - is that the intention?
[11:15] <mpt> (The spec says the same thing in two places, which is probably a sign that it needs restructuring)
[11:15] <Laney> I think the behaviour I was just asking about is implemented right—my misunderstanding
[11:15] <Laney> (the first question)
[11:17] <mpt> Laney, how did you get a dialog containing “Not Now” before tapping “Install <n> Updates”?
[11:18] <Laney> A system update automatically downloaded and then it asked me whether I wanted to install it
[11:18] <ogra_> it pops up automatically if there was a system-image downloaded
[11:19] <mpt> ಠ_ಠ
[11:20] <mpt> Laney, were you on the Updates screen when the download finished?
[11:20] <Laney> yes
[11:20] <Laney> So that much is correct, it's what I just asked about
[11:20] <mpt> Okay, I think that’s fine then
[11:23] <Laney> alright
[11:27] <popey> mpt: have you tried signing out of u1 on the phone then signing back in?
[11:28] <mpt> popey, I have never signed in to Ubuntu One on the phone. The text field for entering the two-factor verification code does not bring up the OSK.
[11:28] <mpt> (To be fair, I only tried that just 30 seconds ago.)
[11:28] <popey> rotate the phone then rotate back
[11:28] <popey> i had that today too
[11:29] <popey> and frantically tap the 2fa field
[11:30] <mpt> The display won’t rotate
[11:30] <mpt> Alas
[11:30] <popey> uh
[11:30] <popey> Nexus 4?
[11:30] <mpt> Yes
[11:31] <ogra_> the app should definitely rotate
[11:31] <popey> you're in the settings screen and it doesn't rotate?
[11:31] <ogra_> (it does here)
[11:32] <popey> hah, accounts doesn't
[11:32] <ogra_> wow
[11:32] <popey> mpt: so, i mean rotate when on the login screen waiting for 2fa
[11:32] <mpt> popey, oh, I got it by tapping back in the password field and then back in the verification code field
[11:33] <popey> great!
[11:33] <popey> "great"
[11:33] <mpt> “The provided 2-factor key is not recognised.”
[11:33] <popey> you took too long probably
[11:33] <popey> WONTFIX
[11:33] <mpt> Well, it’s a matter of plugging my YubiKey into my Mac, hitting the button, and retyping it…
[11:33]  * mpt -> lunch
[11:34] <popey> type faster ☻
[11:34] <Laney> It's not time based
[11:35] <Laney> at least not as far as I know
[11:35] <popey> yeah, it is
[11:35] <popey> they expire after some seconds. 30-60
[11:35] <Laney> I think it's just a hash function with a shared key and a counter
[11:35]  * Laney checks
[11:36] <Laney> okay it's asking me for a code
[11:36]  * Laney waits
[11:36] <popey> I'd generate then wait
[11:36] <popey> which is the life I'm talking about
[11:36] <Laney> okay
[11:37] <cwayne> there's an app on ubuntu for it btw...
[11:37] <lespionrusse> hey guys, any of you nows about a release of ubuntu for the galaxy S3 i9305. Or can i install the i9300 on a 9305 instead?
[11:39] <Laney> yeah it still worked
[11:40] <Laney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FA#How_does_it_work.3F
[11:40] <popey> did you generate then wait?
[11:41] <Laney> sure did, then I found that link which confirmed it
[11:42] <popey> Odd, mine have failed after a period.
[11:42] <popey> maybe I just suck at typing
[11:42] <Laney> They get out of sync, so you have to generate then use them in the same order
[11:44] <lespionrusse> bzzzz
[11:45] <ogra_> !devices | lespionrusse
[11:45] <lespionrusse> yeah i know but there's still nothing for my phone
[11:46] <popey> lespionrusse: so someone needs to port to that device
[11:46] <bact> lespionrusse: sell it, buy a google nexus
[11:46] <ogra_> lespionrusse, either port it yourself (non-trivial) or see if the xdg forums probably have an image ... but dont expect to much, the ports are usually a lot behind
[11:47] <lespionrusse> alright
[11:47] <ogra_> (like a year or so ... which leaves them with only very little functionality)
[11:48] <lespionrusse> but so you don't think i can use the i9300 rom on a i9305? it's the same phone with 4G
[11:49] <ogra_> no idea ...
[11:49] <lespionrusse> ok, thx
[11:50] <ogra_> might or might not work, really depends on the android drivers
[12:56] <ogra_> grr ... i hate that you cant close apps with the hud anymore
[13:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: did you really use this feature?
[13:03] <ogra_> rsalveti, all the time ... did you ever try to close an app from the app scope while walking ?
[13:04] <rsalveti> haha, just don't close it :-)
[13:04] <ogra_> getting the X to show up is realy painful if you move
[13:04] <rsalveti> that's the idea
[13:04] <ogra_> i often have apps that i dont want to dangle in the switcher all the time
[13:04] <ogra_> just to look somethign up quickly ... these i close right after using them
[13:06] <bzoltan1> dobey: ping
[13:07] <bzoltan1> dobey:  I am just checking the long pending bug reports for the SDK and met this -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1265689
[13:07] <bzoltan1> dobey: could you elaborate a bit why would one need to remove the UITK examples package? What benefit it has?
[13:08] <ogra_> rsalveti, i mean, do yu want an IMDB app running forever just because you look up some info when watching TV once every two weeks ?
[13:08] <ogra_> i surely dont
[13:08] <rsalveti> ogra_: nops, but you don't have to close it right after
[13:08] <rsalveti> and it shouldn't hurt, otherwise our app lifecycle is not doing the right thing
[13:08] <ogra_> well, i dont want it to clutter the app switcher either
[13:09] <ogra_> nah, no prob with the lifecycle ... just that i dont like clutter :)
[13:09] <cwayne> that should be a scope anyway :P
[13:09] <rsalveti> :-)
[13:09] <ogra_> cwayne, the app switcher should be a scope ?
[13:10] <dobey> bzoltan1: because i don't need them installed to develop an application, and i don't want them to show up in my dash
[13:10] <cwayne> ogra_, no, imdb should be
[13:10] <ogra_> heh
[13:10] <ogra_> then i wouldnt use it :P
[13:10] <bzoltan1> dobey:  but it does not hurt anything, right?
[13:10]  * ogra_ finds webapps so much easier to use than going to a scope
[13:11] <ogra_> way less taps swipes etc ...
[13:11] <ogra_> in reality i never use scopes but the open apps
[13:11] <ogra_> scopes feel like a massive duplication when dogfooding
[13:11] <dobey> bzoltan1: well it's wasting disk space, makes the dash uglier (examples apps don't have icons and the names are not good in the .desktop files), and makes it harder to find the real applications in the dash
[13:13] <ogra_> cwayne, i think we would need scpe usage more attractive ... i rarely bother fiddling through them if i can just start a webapp from the app lens quicker
[13:13] <ogra_> *would need to make
[13:14] <cwayne> ogra_, or literally one more swipe gets you to the scopes scope to launch scopes instead of apps :)
[13:15] <bzoltan1> dobey: the size of that package is insignificant (<1MB), the dash shows them as the dash shows any other file
[13:15] <dobey> bzoltan1: no "calculator" with no icon is not "as the dash shows any other file"
[13:16] <dobey> and it means there is "Calculator" and "calculator" in the dash as a result
[13:17] <ogra_> cwayne, well, for me only having the app lens (without any "recent" stuff), the app switcher (with a close button in the bottom left corner in each of the app screenshots) and the panel would totally be enough ... in 6 months that i use my phone daily i didnt have the need for anything else on there
[13:17] <bzoltan1> dobey: It is a calculator example.. your real calculator does not show up slower because of that
[13:17] <dobey> bzoltan1: no, it makes it unclear which one is the "real" calculator
[13:17] <bzoltan1> dobey: true, it does not have icon.. but it works
[13:18] <dobey> i don't care if it works or not. if i uninstall gnome-calculator it isn't going to remove all of Unity as a result. so why can't i uninstall the useless example calculator for which i have absolutely NO need at all?
[13:18] <dobey> is it really so bad to ask for proper dependency declarations in packages these days? :(
[13:19] <bzoltan1> dobey:  because it is a part of the SDK
[13:20] <dobey> it is an example of how to use the sdk, not a part of the sdk itself
[13:21] <ogra_> dobey, note that we plan a big cleanup of all unused packages before the final images go out for the phones in summer/autumn ... all unused packages will have to go to get the image size down againn
[13:22] <ogra_> such stuff adds up ... and we are above the allowed 500M already
[13:22] <dobey> ogra_: this has nothing to do with the phone image. pretty sure qtcreator isn't on the phone image :)
[13:22] <ogra_> oh, right, that one isnt on the image :P
[13:36] <bzoltan1> dobey: your will be done
[13:41] <bzoltan1> dobey: you got an MR to review, if you do not mind
[13:42] <dobey> bzoltan1: +1 on the MP from me
[13:43] <bzoltan1> dobey: OK , I RTFM'd the suggested/recommended sections... I remembered wrong, the recommended it good here, the suggested would have been evil :) thanks for the idea. Easy fix.
[14:06] <dobey> bzoltan: any chance to include it in an sru to 14.04 at some point too?
[14:07] <bzoltan> dobey:  the general policy is that the SDK stuff gets updates from the SDK PPA
[14:10] <mhall119> daker: is that com.canonical.Browser officially supported for 3rd party developers?
[14:10] <dobey> mhall119: com.canonical.Oxide?
[14:10] <mhall119> yeah, that
[14:11] <dobey> mhall119: i am using it in one app, yes
[14:11] <daker> mhall119: well their is nothing blocking you from using it
[14:12] <daker> sure their a the UbuntuWebview but if you can also use com.canonical.Oxide directly
[14:12] <mhall119> daker: I'm asking before I try and publish it to our API docs pages
[14:14] <Tassadar> by the way, are builds from devel-proposed supposed to have boot animation?
[14:15] <daker> mhall119: to be clear, their is nothing that prevent anyone from using Oxide directly
[14:15] <mhall119> daker: understood
[14:16] <mhall119> but in terms of API stability and support, I won't want to publish docs for an API designed for internal consumption which may not get the same level of backwards compatibility support as the rest
[14:20] <jhodapp> Mirv, ping
[14:23] <daker> mhall119: maybe ask Chris
[14:31] <mhall119> daker: which chris?
[14:31] <mhall119> coulson?
[14:31] <daker> Chris Coulson
[14:32] <mhall119> ok
[15:18] <mhall119> jdstrand: ping
[15:19] <mhall119> daker: maybe you can help me
[15:19] <daker> mhall119: ?
[15:20] <mhall119> daker: I'm trying to use oxide in my uReadIt app, but it fails to load on my phone
[15:20] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7452826/ is the app's log
[15:21] <mhall119> both those binaries exist on the device
[15:21] <mhall119> am I missing an apparmor policy group to allow me to run oxide?
[15:21] <daker> mhall119: maybe try to add the "webview" to the apparmor policy
[15:22] <a_muva__> is there a way to open two terminals at the same time?
[15:22] <mhall119> a_muva__: on the device? no
[15:22] <a_muva__> yes
[15:26] <daker> mhall119: it works ?
[15:27] <mhall119> daker: yeah, which is strange since it's not a listed policy group on the phone
[15:28] <mhall119> oh wait, it *is* for 1.1
[15:28] <mhall119> zbenjamin: ping
[15:28] <zbenjamin> mhall119: pong
[15:31] <mhall119> zbenjamin: does your policy group lookup script hard-code the 1.0 policy version?
[15:31] <zbenjamin> mhall119: uh yeah i think it does
[15:31] <zbenjamin> mhall119: let me check
[15:31] <mhall119> because we're on 1.1 now and the 'webview' policy needed to use the Oxide component
[15:31] <zbenjamin> mhall119: yes it does thx
[15:31] <mhall119> is only in 1.1
[15:32] <mhall119> beuno: is there a way to skip all of the pages when uploading a new version of my app?
[15:34] <mhall119> bzoltan: zbenjamin: qmlplugindump keeps using up 99% or more of my CPU on a fairly regular basis
[15:34] <bzoltan> mhall119:  we know ... there are several bug reports about it
[15:35] <mhall119> currently it and updatedb.mlocate are in a contest to see how can abuse my hardware the most
[15:36] <mvo> hi, hope this is the right channel to ask some questions about u8/mir on utopic/desktop. it seems that sigond is not running and when I manually try to run it it crashes. is that a known issue? it seems like I can install clicks because of that
[15:37] <mhall119> mvo: #ubuntu-unity might be a better place for strictly Unity related questions
[15:37] <mvo> thanks mhall119
[15:38] <seb128> mhall119, signond issues seemed fine for here, I directed mvo to touch :p
[15:38] <seb128> mvo, sorry, I guess -unity works as well, mardy used to not be on -unity iirc though
[15:38] <mvo> seb128: aha, thanks
[15:38] <mvo> yeah, I don't really mind in what channel I get my answers :)
[15:39] <mhall119> seb128: ah, ok, since he was running it on the desktop I assumed it might be better suited there
[15:39] <seb128> could be
[15:40] <beuno> mhall119, what do you mean skip all the pages?
[15:40] <seb128> -unity tends to be more about shell issues usually
[15:40] <mhall119> seb128: we can always shuffle him around through a dozen other channels before finally leaving him hin -offtopic :)
[15:40] <seb128> we should have one channel ;-)
[15:41] <mhall119> seb128: https://xkcd.com/927/ s/standards/channels/
[15:46] <popey> beuno: if you upload a new version of an app, the only thing you can do after upload is move to the next screen through all of the screens. It doesn't let you just upload and submit, leaving everything else untouched
[15:46] <popey> beuno: i guess that's what mhall119 is talking about
[15:46] <popey> (it's annoying)
[15:46] <beuno> popey, ah, you mean, it makes you validate all the information even if you're not going to change anything?
[15:46] <popey> yes
[15:46] <beuno> we can do that, for sure
[15:47] <beuno> popey, mhall119, I'll swap you a bug # for getting that done
[15:47] <daker> mhall119 Oxide 1.1 ?
[15:49] <mhall119> daker: no, the apparmor policy version
[15:50] <mhall119> for aa-easyprof
[15:51] <mhall119> daker: you might want to add that you need "webview" in your apparmor manifest when using Oxide to your blog ost
[15:51] <mhall119> post
[15:51] <mhall119> that's all I needed
[16:00] <popey> beuno: a bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent ?
[16:01] <beuno> popey, yes
[16:02] <popey> kk will do
[16:04] <popey> beuno: mhall119 bug 1318730
[16:05] <beuno> thanks popey
[16:06] <popey> np
[16:08] <daker> mhall119: ok
[16:09] <ogra_> cjwatson, heh, seeing your haskell uploads ... daker recently posted about haskell QML bindings, probably something to package ;)
[16:10] <daker> ogra_ heh
[16:16] <cjwatson> ogra_: I'm in no rush :P
[16:21] <zbenjamin> mhall119: there is already a bug for the qmlplugindump problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1300957
[16:21] <zbenjamin> mhall119: not sure atm by what it is caused
[16:22] <dobey> mvo: you can't install clicks on PC because pkcon tries to install them with apt/dpkg
[16:23] <dobey> mvo: signon is a dbus service, so it should spawn when needed
[16:29] <mvo> dobey: thanks! thats useful information. do you happen to know if that is "just" a bug in PK, AIUI colin wrote a pk backend for clicks already. if you don't know, no worries, I will find out myself
[16:30] <dobey> mvo: i think its a configuration issue
[16:31] <dobey> mvo: the pkcon backend for click definitely works on the phone, but on pc you just get a password dialog and then it tries to install the click as a deb
[16:31] <dobey> mvo: the errors about the dbus session bus file not found that get spewed from the click scope can basically be ignored
[16:32] <dobey> mvo: if you get a password dialog poppig up, then everything in the click scope is working fine
[16:33] <mvo> dobey: aha, thanks! that is good to know, I was about to debug this error
[16:35] <dobey> mvo: sure. if you have questions about the click scope, myself or alecu are the best people to ping.
[16:35] <mvo> dobey: excellent, thanks again
[16:35] <dobey> no problem :)
[16:39] <daker> dobey: oxide post :) http://daker.me/2014/05/how-to-use-oxide-in-your-ubuntu-qml-application.html
[16:39] <alecu_> mvo: afaiui, it's packagekitd and its click plugin (as used on the phone) conflicting somehow with aptd
[16:40] <mvo> alecu_: that makes sense indeed
[16:40] <alecu_> mvo: I'm sure colin knows the details
[16:41] <mvo> alecu_: yeah
[16:42] <mvo> alecu_: and thanks for the pointer, PK itself should not need to conflict with aptd, just the apt backend, so let me see how I can disentangle this :)
[16:42] <dobey>  daker i saw :)
[16:43] <dobey> mvo: yeah i think the apt back-end, and the click back-end, are conflicting or something
[16:44]  * mvo nods
[16:47] <dobey> hey, someone rated the gallery app 5 stars!
[16:47] <dobey> oh, the music app too
[16:48] <cwayne> dpm, ping
[16:49] <dpm> hey cwayne
[16:50] <dobey> man, 2048native clearly has the most reviews of anything though
[16:50] <ogra_> and it is fun :)
[16:50] <ogra_> so much more beautiful than the original
[16:51] <Laney> i've noticed that it sometimes takes two swipes
[16:52] <dobey> i don't know if that's the app or not though
[16:52] <popey> yeah, i noticed that too
[16:52] <dobey> swipe reliability hasn't been the best for me, in general
[16:52] <dobey> hrmm
[16:53] <dobey> so i just flashed a nexus 4, and i got a warning on reboot about "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?"
[16:53] <dobey> and i have no idea what to pick :)
[16:53] <ogra_> anything :)
[16:53] <ogra_> its a no-op either way
[16:55] <ogra_> bah ... when oh when will that upgrade bug be fixed ... i'm tired of getting a blank screen on image upgrades
[16:55] <dobey> but yeah 2048native is a pretty good way to pass the time while i'm waiting for my food at buffalo wild wings
[16:58] <dobey> huh, why don't alarms work at all on nexus 5 i wonder
[17:00] <cwayne> worked for me this am
[17:01] <dobey> on nexus 5?
[17:01] <cwayne> ya
[17:02] <dobey> huh, i haven't been able to get it working at all.
[17:03] <dobey> it's always said "no active alarms" for me
[17:03] <dobey> i just deleted them all and added a new one, which it now shows as active though, weird
[17:04] <dobey> but no icon in the indicator
[17:06] <mhall119> yay build 22 is out, boo that I get an error trying to download it
[17:07] <mhall119> systemimage.download.DuplicateDestinationError
[17:07] <mhall119> do I need to trick my phone into thinking it's on r20 already?
[17:07] <mhall119> it's currently on r17
[17:08] <mhall119> ogra_: ^^ ??
[17:09] <ogra_> mhall119, ??
[17:09] <mhall119> ogra_: I have r17 on my phone
[17:09] <mhall119> it says r22 is available
[17:09] <mhall119> downloading it fails
[17:09] <ogra_> and thats true
[17:09] <ogra_> just upgraded all devices here
[17:09] <dobey> mhall119: shouldn't matter. the error is because the file already exists i guess
[17:09] <ogra_> from either 17 or 20
[17:10] <mhall119> dobey: I delete the files from /tmp/ and I still get them
[17:10] <dobey> or two things are trying to download to the same file
[17:10] <ogra_> i dont think it downloads to /tmp
[17:10] <ogra_> it should download to /cache/recovery
[17:10] <ogra_> but if you manually inrevened you migght have confused it
[17:11] <mhall119> ogra_: I didn't so anything fancy, this was a normal upgrade up to r17
[17:12] <ogra_> well, it worked fine for me just now
[17:12] <mhall119> from r17 on devel channel?
[17:12] <ogra_> flo upgraded from 17 to 22 and mako from 20 to 22
[17:12] <ogra_> yes
[17:12] <mhall119> I'm on mako r17
[17:12] <mhall119> let me reboot and try again
[17:12] <ogra_> sure. shouldnt make any difference
[17:13] <Tassadar> delta from 17->19 and from 19->20 seems to have the same ubuntu file Oo
[17:14] <ogra_> yep
[17:14] <Tassadar> s-i-cli can't handle that
[17:14] <mhall119> 17 and 20 are the same image
[17:14] <ogra_> well, with different stamps on them
[17:14] <mhall119> ogra_: after reboot I get the same error
[17:14] <Tassadar> the index.json says the files are exactly the same
[17:14] <ogra_> the client should recognnize them as different images ... at least if i can belive steev
[17:15] <ogra_> err
[17:15] <mhall119> systemimage.download.DuplicateDestinationError
[17:15] <ogra_> stgraber
[17:15] <Tassadar> mhall119: which file does it fail to download?
[17:16] <mhall119> Tassadar: I can't tell, the filename is too long and goes off the screen
[17:16] <mhall119> is there a log file I can pastebin?
[17:16] <Tassadar> you can call system-image-cli via adb shell
[17:16] <taiebot> Hi all i am going to report a bug on my nexus 4. My cellular settings have completely disappeared since two-three days. i am on r22 with nexus 4 . One screenshot to show the problem http://uppix.com/f-mir536d38d700165cbc.png
[17:16] <Tassadar> with -v it would be even better
[17:17] <taiebot> IS it already reported?
[17:17] <mhall119> taiebot: could you be out of space?
[17:17] <mhall119> taiebot: that happened to me when I ran out
[17:18] <mhall119> Tassadar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7453342/ is with -n, running it again for real this time
[17:18] <mhall119> Tassadar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7453344/
[17:18] <taiebot> mhall: my home is only 49%
[17:19] <mhall119> taiebot: running `df -h`?
[17:19] <taiebot> yep
[17:19] <mhall119> ok, not the same issue I had then
[17:20] <Tassadar> yeah, it tries to download the same file twice because it is in both delta 17->19 and 19->20, I've encountered that with my custom server because it had always one file the same. It was not fixed because it shouldn't happen on official server, but it did)
[17:20] <Tassadar> I guess you can force it to download full image with -b 0 or what was the switch
[17:20] <ogra_> Tassadar, please talk to stgraber then ... i explicitly asked about that before i called the coyp-image script on friday
[17:20] <mhall119> Tassadar: this is the 'devel' channel, we need to give people a better option than that
[17:21] <Tassadar> remove the delta then
[17:21] <Tassadar> it will use the full image
[17:21] <taiebot> mhall119: i think its related to changes on r16 with ofono
[17:21] <ogra_> i didnt have any issue on any device here
[17:21] <Tassadar> ogra_: bug 1286542
[17:21] <mhall119> taiebot: hmmm, I have r17 and haven't had an issue, what carrier do you have?
[17:22] <ogra_> Tassadar, ah, triaged already
[17:22] <Tassadar> but in that specific case it affected only the custom servers
[17:22] <taiebot> mhall19: A cheap provider certainly not on any database http://www.vectonemobile.co.uk/#
[17:23] <ogra_> anyway, i'm out ... /me is already late to an appointment ...
[17:24] <Tassadar> ogra_: I think replying to that bug and typing what exactly did you do on the server side might not be a bad idea, at least they'll know it can happen on s-i.u.com
[17:24] <mhall119> stgraber: you around?
[17:25] <Tassadar> and barry works on s-i-cli, but he's not here
[17:25] <stgraber> mhall119: let's say no :) (on vacation)
[17:26] <davmor2> stgraber: so how did you answer dun dun dunnnnnn
[17:26] <taiebot> mhall119: i am also experiencing this http://uppix.com/f-mir2536d38f000165cbd.png i think its worth a bug..
[17:26] <mhall119> ok, guys, who is around that can fix this? stgraber is on vacation, ogra_ just left for an appointment, barry isn't here....
[17:27] <popey> fix what exactly?
[17:27] <dobey> taiebot: just file a bug then
[17:27] <mhall119> popey: upgrading from r17 to r22 on mako is failing
[17:27] <dobey> taiebot: if it's a duplicate, it will get marked as such
[17:27]  * popey tries
[17:28] <mhall119> because it wants to go 17->19->20->22, but some of those hops are for identical images
[17:28] <stgraber> yeah, that's a barry bug
[17:28] <taiebot> dobey: difficulty is finding the duplicate or assigning it properly? What would you report it against?
[17:29] <Tassadar> can I mention somebody in a launchpad bug comment?
[17:31] <dobey> taiebot: well, indicator-network is probably a good start (since it's showing multiple "Cellular settings..." entries)
[17:32] <mhall119> Tassadar: you mean in a way that links to the person?
[17:32] <dobey> Tassadar: not in a particularly meaningful way (there's no @-linking or anything)
[17:32] <Tassadar> yeah, like on github or whatever
[17:32] <dobey> no
[17:32] <Tassadar> well, doesn't matter, everybody knows ogra)
[17:35] <dobey> daker: can you pass a user script file to webapp-container for webapps?
[17:36] <Tassadar> that is weird though
[17:36] <Tassadar> I think that is server error
[17:36] <Tassadar> two deltas directly after each another shouldn't have the same file
[17:36] <mhall119> Tassadar: I commented on the bug you linked to earlier
[17:36] <Tassadar> I'm currently writing a comment)
[17:37] <stgraber> mhall119: ok, so this clearly looks like a bug in the client, I think I've seen it in the past but we really need to get barry to look into this ASAP and fix this
[17:37] <dobey> Tassadar: the delta for 19->20 should be the same as 19->17 though i think
[17:37] <Tassadar> 17->19
[17:37] <Tassadar> not the other way around
[17:37] <mhall119> stgraber: the index.json on the server lists identical upgrade deltas for 17->19 and for 19->20
[17:37] <dobey> Tassadar: that's what it is
[17:37]  * barry waves
[17:38] <daker> dobey: good question, i don't think so
[17:38] <dobey> Tassadar: but since "20" in devel is a copy of 17, then 19->20 should be same as 19->17
[17:38] <daker> dobey: i think it's a good feature to have IMHO
[17:38] <dpm> dobey, cwayne is testing the zh_CN translations on image #20 for the click scope, and it appears the .mo files are not being shipped. Is the .deb package actually building them, or is it because the branch containing the translations still hasn't landed on an image?
[17:38] <Tassadar> dobey: there is no 19->17
[17:38] <davmor2> wow you summon barry and he appears
[17:38] <mhall119> barry: tl;dr, upgraging my mako fails with duplicate destination error because of duplicate delta files for 17->19 and 19->20
[17:38] <stgraber> mhall119: I'm not seeing this here
[17:38] <dobey> Tassadar: i know.
[17:39] <stgraber> 17 to 19 is b5c6dc81a34ddd663595630c323093bb673181c9dab2d98cb2b8becf31ae6ba7
[17:39] <barry> mhall119: that was supposed to be impossible, guaranteed on the server side
[17:39] <stgraber> 19 to 20 is c415f5280b94bbd515c761243e0085dc4a9f3e1a851bade018fb091394500c44
[17:39] <mhall119> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7453344/ is the output from system-image-cli
[17:39] <dobey> Tassadar: i'm not sure how the delta is defined exactly, but 17->19 and 19->17 might end up being the same perhaps?
[17:39] <dobey> Tassadar: thus 17->19 and 19->20 would then be the same if that is true
[17:40] <dobey> Tassadar: anyway, that's just academia :)
[17:40] <mhall119> stgraber: for mako? I see ubuntu-0a596f5994326d2cb745e1f37600882227b6b35455fce8695bf03ee1f485f95a.delta-ubuntu-c20c730f6577a414fcec136eaea0a24a1e4dcb0a6df6f93713f390e4f106574c.tar.xz
[17:40] <mhall119> in http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel/mako/index.json
[17:40] <Tassadar> I'm looking at index.json for flo, but it should(must) be the same
[17:40] <dobey> dpm: what version of unity-scope-click is in image 20?
[17:40] <dobey> dpm: actually, wait
[17:40] <dobey> dpm: image 20 on devel, or image 20 on devel-proposed?
[17:40] <mhall119> I'm only on 'devel'
[17:41] <mhall119> not -proposed
[17:41] <davmor2> barry: 20 is 17.  ogra_ had to do a mad and now it might appear bad thing in order that people could still add accounts/
[17:41] <stgraber> mhall119: oh, I see, I was looking at the wrong channel...
[17:41] <mhall119> ogra_: this is what happens when you give in to peer pressure :)
[17:41] <stgraber> ok, so that's a revert going bad then
[17:42] <stgraber> I'll drop 17 to 19 from the index, that should do the trick, it may force a redownload but whatever
[17:42] <dobey> cwayne: you're trying zh_CN on 20 from devel, or devel-proposed? (because they're different)
[17:42] <Tassadar> yeah, that should work, did that too
[17:42] <mhall119> thanks stgraber, sorry to have to trouble you on your vacation
[17:42] <cwayne> dobey, -proposed
[17:43] <dobey> cwayne: hrmm, it should work there. what's not working exactly? did you reboot after setting the language?
[17:43] <barry> mhall119: yeah, what ogra_ did isn't a good idea as you can see ;).  i am planning some s-i work before the sprint, so i'll bump the priority up on this bug
[17:43] <davmor2> stgraber: it wasn't a revert.  19 was bad and nobody was about to commit the revert so 17 which was the last promoted was renamed 20 as I understand it
[17:43] <cwayne> dobey, the scope title/categories are in english, and yes i've rebooted
[17:43] <dobey> huh
[17:43] <cwayne> music/videos/scope scopes are all translated
[17:43] <cwayne> let me do a fresh reflash
[17:44] <stgraber> davmor2: well, still we have two full images that are bit for bit identical but with different versions, that seems to be the problem
[17:44] <stgraber> davmor2: anyway, can you try a system-image-cli -n again now?
[17:44] <Tassadar> looks like copy-image just copyied the delta too
[17:44] <stgraber> I've yanked out the 17 -> 19 delta from the index so hopefully you'll get an upgrade path which should be slightly nicer
[17:44] <davmor2> stgraber: I don't have the issue
[17:44] <Tassadar> I guess it isn't supposed to be used on the same channel
[17:44] <stgraber> ok, well can whoever has the issue test this now?
[17:44] <Tassadar> mhall119: ^
[17:45] <mhall119> stgraber: system-image-cli -n now wants to just do a full r22 image, so I'll try it through system-settings
[17:45] <mhall119> stgraber: it's downloading now, thanks!
[17:45] <stgraber> ok, that's a bit wasteful but at least it works
[17:45]  * stgraber goes away
[17:46] <mhall119> better to be inefficient than ineffective :)
[17:46]  * davmor2 kicks stgraber off irc ;)
[17:46] <davmor2> stgraber: have a nice break dude
[17:46] <Tassadar> I really wonder how did all this worked out on my server Oo
[17:47] <Tassadar> yep, mine has the same problem
[17:48] <Tassadar> kinda looks like there's something wrong with the delta generating parts, since I didn' use copy-image, it just downloaded the new image from s-i.u.com and created delta with the last one
[17:48] <dobey> cwayne: it's working for me on 22. which chinese did you pick in the languages list? the shorter text or the longer text? (i can't actually read it, so i have no idea what it says exactly)
[17:49]  * Tassadar wonders how to fix it other than manually editing index.json
[18:08] <mhall119> beuno: will ratings and reviews be exposed in myapps?
[18:08] <mhall119> for developers to see
[18:12] <Tassadar> oh, I know why the delta is same - the base ubuntu file is the same and delta for that file already exists, so s-i-server just uses that one
[18:12] <Tassadar> which is wrong
[18:15] <rsalveti> x86 emulator is out: https://plus.google.com/+RicardoSalveti/posts/bogbYxBbuk6
[18:16] <beuno> mhall119, yes!  Bug please?
[18:17] <dobey> anyone else have a problem with the nexus 4 switching between multiple access points constantly?
[18:17] <Tassadar> rsalveti: lol, the first comment)
[18:17] <dobey> well that, or it's constantly increasing/decreasing antenna power
[18:18] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: congrats, good work!
[18:18] <mhall119> beuno: what project again?
[18:18] <rsalveti> haha, I did include the link to the email with instructions and such
[18:18] <rsalveti> mhall119: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08059.html
[18:18] <beuno> mhall119, software-center-agent
[18:18] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: thanks!
[18:19] <mhall119> rsalveti: how can I do it through QtCreator?
[18:19] <popey> rsalveti: you'll incur ogra_'s wrath by mentioning --channel=ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed and not --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[18:20] <rsalveti> mhall119: that's a question for bzoltan I guess
[18:20] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ sudo ubuntu-emulator create --channel=ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed --arch=i386 test_x86
[18:20] <popey> unknown flag `arch'
[18:20] <rsalveti> mhall119: he was going to integrate that soon
[18:20] <popey> ☹
[18:20] <mhall119> popey: do you have the latest from their PPA?
[18:20] <rsalveti> popey: read my email :-)
[18:20] <popey> yes
[18:21] <rsalveti> which version of goget-ubuntu-touch do you have installed?
[18:21] <popey> where in the mail does it say I will get unknown flag?
[18:21] <popey> N: Unable to locate package goget-ubuntu-touch
[18:21] <rsalveti> just says you need the latest if your host is not utopic yet
[18:21] <popey> yes, i have the ppa and have dist-upgraded
[18:21] <rsalveti> sorry, that's the src package
[18:22] <popey> (i already had the ppa enabled)
[18:22] <rsalveti> ubuntu-emulator and ubuntu-emulator-runtime
[18:22] <popey> yes, i have them
[18:22] <rsalveti> weird, trusty?
[18:22] <popey> yes
[18:22] <rsalveti> right, which version?
[18:22] <popey>   Installed: 0.2+14.04.20140416.2-0ubuntu1
[18:22] <popey>   Installed: 20140328-2310-0ubuntu2
[18:22] <rsalveti> not the latest
[18:22] <popey> hmmm
[18:22] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools?field.series_filter=trusty
[18:22]  * popey removes and re-adds the ppa
[18:22] <mhall119> popey: do you have the PPA enabled?
[18:23] <mhall119> mine was likely disabled when I upgraded to Trusty
[18:23] <popey> ah, add-apt-repository bug
[18:23] <popey> if the ppa is already there but commented out, it doesn't uncomment it
[18:23] <popey> which is *mental*
[18:23] <popey> sorry for doubting you rsalveti ☻
[18:24] <rsalveti> popey: np :-)
[18:24] <popey> \o/ fresh packages arriving
[18:24] <popey> wheeee, downloading
[18:30] <rsalveti> popey: did it work for you?
[18:34] <popey> Succesfully created emulator instance test_x86 in /home/alan/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator/test_x86
[18:36] <popey> rsalveti: 2 mins from start to getting the welcome thing
[18:36] <popey> this is way quick
[18:37] <rsalveti> yeah, I'll pre-cache the apparmor rules
[18:37] <rsalveti> should be even faster then
[18:37] <popey> shame you can't type into it
[18:37] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:42] <Chipaca> is there an easier way of getting the value out of an (a(oa{sv})) than http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7453730/ ?
[18:45] <mhall119> rsalveti: how hard would it be to run this emulator on another distro?
[18:47] <rsalveti> mhall119: shouldn't be that hard
[18:47] <rsalveti> you could probably use the same binaries, but in the ideal case all you need is the android toolchain, and rebuild the android package
[18:47] <bzoltan> mhall119: rsalveti: really soon... question of days
[18:49] <dobey> Chipaca: in C with glib?
[18:49] <dobey> Chipaca: or in Python? :)
[18:49] <Chipaca> dobey: yeah
[18:50] <Chipaca> dobey: C and glib
[18:50] <dobey> no, there's not an easier way in C
[18:52] <popey> rsalveti: should media play?
[18:53] <rsalveti> popey: video shouldn't, audio I'm not so sure, never tested it actually
[18:53] <dobey> Chipaca: you could build an abstraction to make it easier for a specific type like "(a(oa{sv}))" but not sure it's worth the trouble
[18:54] <Chipaca> dobey: agreed :)
[18:54] <rsalveti> unity::ResourceException: SmartScopesClient.get_remote_scopes(): Remote scopes cache is empty:
[18:54] <rsalveti>     unity::ResourceException: Error downloading https://dash.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v2/remote-scopes? - server replied: Internal Server Error
[18:54] <rsalveti> davmor2: ^
[18:54] <rsalveti> sorry, using a different channel :-)
[18:54] <davmor2> rsalveti: grrrrr
[18:55] <Chipaca> dobey: I was hoping you could say g_variant_get(aVariant, "magic") and have it work
[18:55] <davmor2> rsalveti: where do you see that?
[18:55] <rsalveti> davmor2: ./.cache/upstart/smart-scopes-proxy.log
[18:55] <davidcalle> rsalveti, server down atm, apparently
[18:56] <rsalveti> yeah, giving oops-id
[18:56] <davidcalle> rsalveti, this endpoint at least. It was being debugged for a couple of day... Looks like it didn't worked :p
[18:56] <rsalveti> right
[18:57] <davmor2>     unity::ResourceException: Error downloading https://dash.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v2/remote-scopes? - server replied: Internal Server Error yeah heap of these
[18:57] <rsalveti> davmor2: worked fine with an upgrade because it used the local cached data
[18:57] <cwayne> dobey, so i did a fresh reflash with --wipe, and now it shows up as translated, good stuff, thanks :)
[18:57] <dobey> Chipaca: only for versions of aVariat that are a{} something
[18:57] <rsalveti> davidcalle: do you know who is checking that?
[18:58] <davmor2> beuno: ^  is smart scopes down?
[18:58] <dobey> or rather, a{sv} or similar
[18:58] <beuno> davmor2, that would be lucio
[18:58] <davidcalle> rsalveti, davmor2, it would be lucio
[18:58] <dobey> anyway
[18:59] <Chipaca> dobey: ta :)
[18:59] <davmor2> beuno: okay thanks
[19:10] <rsalveti> davmor2: yeah, clean 22 also gave the same issue, so it's indeed server realted
[19:10] <rsalveti> *related
[19:16] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, hey, I followed your directions on Trusty, but ubuntu-emulator list doesn't see test_x86 (and neither does run, of course)
[19:16] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[19:16] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, oh, I didn't exactly follow them
[19:16] <rickspencer3> I cheated
[19:16] <rickspencer3> sudo ubuntu-emulator create --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed --arch=i386 test_x86
[19:17]  * rickspencer3 tries with utopic
[19:17] <rickspencer3> still doesn't see it :(
[19:18] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: was it created successfully?
[19:18] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, there was no error message, so I assume "yes"
[19:19] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: can you paste me the output? you can destroy and create it again
[19:19] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, well, it's not .local/share/ubuntu-emulator/
[19:19] <rickspencer3> and there is no output
[19:20] <rickspencer3> Creating "test_x86" from ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed revision 23
[19:20] <rickspencer3> Downloading...
[19:20] <rickspencer3> 39.71 MB / 39.71 MB [[19:20] <rickspencer3> 345.17 MB / 345.17 MB [[19:20] <rsalveti> yeah, do you have something in there?
[19:20] <rsalveti> right, so the package seems fine
[19:20] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, I have old emulators that I made months ago from QtCreator
[19:20] <rickspencer3> maybe the perms on the directory are wrong or something
[19:21] <rsalveti> maybe, if that's all you get
[19:21] <rsalveti> you should get a message saying that it's setting it up
[19:21] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, it never said that
[19:21] <rickspencer3> drwx------ 4 root root  4096 Mar  4 14:29 ubuntu-emulator
[19:21] <rsalveti> right
[19:21] <davmor2> rickspencer3: are you on Utopic already then?
[19:21] <rsalveti> that's the issue then
[19:21] <rickspencer3> davmor2, this particular computer is trusty
[19:21] <rsalveti> it should say something similar to http://paste.ubuntu.com/7453962/
[19:22] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, hmmm
[19:22] <rickspencer3> I don't see that completion message
[19:22] <rsalveti> try changing the ownership of that folder
[19:23] <rsalveti> sergiusens: maybe we're not checking the errors properly in there?
[19:23] <davmor2> rsalveti: <facundobatista> davmor2, fixing it! for the scopes issue
[19:23] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, sure thing, change it to my user?
[19:23] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: yeah
[19:26] <davmor2> rickspencer3: oh ignore me I read the email as required Ubuntu Utopic, not Ubuntu < Utopic
[19:26] <rickspencer3> davmor2, ;)
[19:27] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, it's spending quite some time on "Setting up ..." , may I presume it is working?
[19:27] <rsalveti> yup
[19:27] <rickspencer3> sweet
[19:27] <rsalveti> davmor2: thanks :-)
[19:44] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: did it work this time?
[19:44] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, yeah
[19:44] <rsalveti> great
[19:45] <rsalveti> now we just need the scopes server to be up and running again
[19:45] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, I guess when I see no output that means, "it worked" to me ;)
[19:45] <rsalveti> yeah, a bug in our tool for sure
[19:46] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, sooo, sorry to expose my ignorance, but wouldn't the lack of a scope server be affecting my phone as well?
[19:46] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: it is
[19:46] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[19:46] <rickspencer3> looks like it is working
[19:46] <rsalveti> but your phone is using the cached data
[19:46]  * rickspencer3 digs
[19:46] <rickspencer3> ah
[19:47] <ogra_> mhall119, this was no peer pressure but what stgraber had done before as well ... and i explicitly asked here on friday before doing it
[19:48] <ogra_> i assume i should have force copied 20 before promoting 22
[19:48] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, that's pretty impressive because everything seems to be working
[19:48] <rickspencer3> (on my phone)
[19:49]  * rickspencer3 shrugs
[19:49] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: it seems that the major piece that crashed is the one that provides the list of scopes
[19:49] <rickspencer3> ah
[19:49] <rsalveti> that's why if you flash a clean image, you get nothing
[19:49] <rsalveti> but I'd guess that once the scopes knows where to get the data, it works fine
[19:49] <davmor2> rickspencer3: I had the same thing on ota from 22, however after I did a bootstrap install and got http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-05-12-195120.png
[19:49] <rsalveti> maybe a different service, url, server, not sure
[19:52] <davmor2> night all
[19:53] <nik90> rsalveti: hey, I was trying the new x86 emulator after reading the ML. However I get a permission error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7454088/
[19:54] <nik90> rsalveti: I am runing trusty with the phablet tools PPA
[19:55] <rsalveti> wonder if the same issue rickspencer3 had
[19:55] <rsalveti> I'd guess the sdk might be cause
[19:55] <rsalveti> did you create armhf emulator images via the sdk before?
[19:55] <rickspencer3> nik90, did you try to run the emulator with QtCreator some weeks/months back?
[19:56] <nik90> rickspencer3: yes I did create armhf images with the sdk
[19:56] <nik90> rsalveti: ^^
[19:56] <nik90> rsalveti: those armhf are still present in the system
[19:56] <rickspencer3> nik90, I did sudo chown -R rick ~/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator/
[19:56] <rsalveti> just chown <youruser:youruser> ~/.cache/ubuntuimages ~/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator
[19:56] <rickspencer3> and it fixed it
[19:56] <rsalveti> yeah
[19:57] <rsalveti> bzoltan: something to investigate ^
[19:57] <rsalveti> for some reason the folders used by ubuntu-emulator are with root:root when created via sdk
[19:57] <sergiusens> rsalveti: nik90 rickspencer3 the permissions error is due to a cancelled emulator create from the sdk
[19:57] <bzoltan> rsalveti: how old QtC does that?
[19:58] <ajalkane> hey sires... I need to create a click package for Ubuntu desktop, but now with QtCreator it says "It is not supported to create click packages for a non UbuntuSDK target"
[19:58] <ajalkane> I'm pretty sure it was possible earlier
[19:58] <nik90> rsalveti, rickspencer3: I tried both your commands but still get the same permission error. Should I delete the ubuntu-emulator folder and try again?
[19:58] <dobey> ajalkane: i suspect it wasn't. click packages are not currently used/supported on PC really
[19:59] <ajalkane> dobey: I have two *.click packages that I installed already :P. It's what was recommended for me to be able to develop Content Hub support
[19:59] <bzoltan> nik90: do the chown with the -R
[19:59] <rsalveti> nik90: just do as rickspencer3 said, chown -R <youruser>:<youruser> ~/.cache/ubuntuimages ~/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator
[20:00] <dobey> ajalkane: yes, it's possible to manually install them the not-quite-proper way
[20:00] <ajalkane> I mean I built them using SDK from sources
[20:00] <nik90> bzoltan: ah yes I missed the -R :)..now it seems to download the image
[20:00] <bzoltan> nik90: cool
[20:00] <dobey> ajalkane: they are projects that target the UbuntuSDK though
[20:01] <dobey> ajalkane: what are you trying to build a click package of exactly?
[20:01] <ajalkane> dobey: for exawmple this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter
[20:01] <ajalkane> That I build and made a click package out of
[20:01] <ajalkane> What I'm now trying to build is FileManager which needs Content Hub support
[20:02] <dobey> ajalkane: as in a branch of lp:ubuntu-filemanager-app ?
[20:03] <ajalkane> dobey: Well... I've done content-hub related changes, suppose there's check in SDK that could wreck building a click package after that?
[20:03] <ajalkane> But I've otherwise up-to-date version from trunk
[20:04] <dobey> ajalkane: i'm not sure how qtcreator deals with cmake projects in that respect exactly
[20:04] <ajalkane> I'll check with pure trunk
[20:04] <dobey> ajalkane: but you could do cmake -DCLICK_MODE=ON
[20:05] <dobey> and build it yourself i suppose
[20:05] <ajalkane> dobey: hmm well that was my previous approach but apparently it built arm packages. I'll recheck my commands and first try with pure trunk FileManager
[20:06] <dobey> i don't see in the CmakeLists.txt would build arm packages, unless you were doing cross-compiling or building on an arm cpu
[20:07] <ajalkane> this build process has lived and changed so much in the last couple of months that I'm not sure what I'm talking about anymore :). I'll recheck.
[20:08] <ajalkane> Trunk version gives same error in QtCreator
[20:08] <ajalkane> I'll check my command-line building instructions
[20:09] <Tassadar> ogra_: lol, wrong index.json on the system-image server was caused by a code which was keeping support for wrongly generated files from some older s-i-server version - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server/view/head:/lib/systemimage/generators.py#L91 , if you wanna look
[20:09] <ajalkane> well, there's nothing there that specifies it'd build for arm. So I'll just retry using those instructions and see if x86 executable is a result nowadays
[20:11] <ajalkane> bleh, it build armhf.click package
[20:12] <Tassadar> basically, instead of generating new delta, it took the old one from 17->19 even though it was the exact opposite of what needed to be done, because that code accepts even deltas with swapped target and source hash
[20:12] <ajalkane> dobey: can you check what's wrong with these kind of build commands: http://pastebin.com/XrgajQVN
[20:13] <dobey> ajalkane: i don't know
[20:14] <dobey> looks ok
[20:14] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, congrats on the x86 emulator
[20:14] <ajalkane> okay... but it builds armfh package which I gather is not correct. I can try running it of course  if it's just the name that's incorrect
[20:14] <rickspencer3> it's very cool and is going to enable so many coolthings
[20:15]  * rickspencer3 looks forward to parallel AP tests running in <1.5 hours total
[20:15] <ajalkane> Well yeah, click install refused to installe it
[20:24] <dobey> ajalkane: the manifest.json is probably wrong when building on other arches
[20:25] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: yeah :-)
[20:27] <dobey> ajalkane: so it looks like the manifest.json needs ot have the architecture field be filled in at build time, rather than hard-coded to "armhf"
[20:27] <ajalkane> dobey: right... it does say architecture: armhf
[20:28] <dobey> ajalkane: also, it probably needs to be fixed to build a fat package rather than an arch-specific package
[20:28] <ajalkane> dobey: fat? As in including all supported archs?
[20:28] <dobey> ajalkane: right
[20:29] <ajalkane> The SDK team will love the extra work :). But yeah, I'd like to see that fixed a lot
[20:29] <dobey> well the only "supported" archs are armhf at the moment
[20:29] <ajalkane> dobey: by any chance do you know what I should put there to build for desktop?
[20:29] <dobey> since the only supported devices are Nexus
[20:30] <dobey> ajalkane: amd64 if on 64-bit or i386 for 32-bit
[20:30] <ajalkane> Thanks.
[21:48] <asac> rsalveti: thx. emulator works like charm indeed :)
[21:48] <rsalveti> asac: great!
[21:48] <asac> rsalveti: how can i run ap tests :)?
[21:49] <asac> rsalveti: ever tried?
[21:49] <rsalveti> asac: same way as when running with a normal device
[21:49] <rsalveti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing
[21:49] <rsalveti> yup, got some failures to investigate
[21:49] <rsalveti> goal now is to be able to get a completely green image with the emulator :-)
[21:53] <asac> rsalveti: can you check with CI folks if htey can just hook this up to dashboard :)?
[21:53] <asac> hehe
[21:53] <rsalveti> sure, I know doanac was waiting for me to release it :-)
[21:53] <rsalveti> will ping them
[21:54] <asac> rsalveti: how do i connect with adb?
[21:54] <rsalveti> asac: adb shell should work
[21:54] <asac> ok thats cool magic. awesome
[21:55] <doanac> rsalveti: indeed. i've started playing with it this afternoon
[21:55] <rsalveti> doanac: cool, what is the plan now?
[21:55] <asac> rsalveti: i think figuring at some point how to use phablet-flash and upgrade testing etc. would be interesting
[21:55] <rsalveti> asac: yeah, we can use it to test system-image updates
[21:56] <doanac> rsalveti: i had a branch for emulator stuff semi-tested. it just never worked well with ARM. i'm hoping it will actually be able to test things more consistently on x86 now
[21:56] <rsalveti> doanac: great, let me know if you have any issues with it
[22:01] <dobey> bah, my alarm so did not go off
[22:01] <asac> dobey: on touch?
[22:01] <dobey> asac: yes, on my nexus5
[22:47] <robru> mterry, hey, just a heads up, I am rebuilding telephony-service in your silo 2 because boiko did a telephony-service release through just now. but I was careful not to rebuild the whole thing so it shouldn't be too much of a disturbance
[22:56] <mterry> robru, thanks man
[22:57] <robru> mterry, you're welcome!
[23:43] <vthompson> Does anyone here know if using the Thumbnailer require a certain apparmor proifile? I'm testing the music app's mediascanner2.0 functionality on the device and I'm currently not seeing cover art, whereas on the desktop I am.
[23:47] <vthompson> I see messages in the log like this: "D-Bus error:  "An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message
[23:47] <vthompson>  to this recipient, 0 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.81" (uid=320
[23:47] <vthompson> 11 pid=5334 comm="/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene musi") interface
[23:47] <vthompson> ="com.canonical.Thumbnailer" member="GetAlbumArt" error name="(unset)" requested
[23:47] <vthompson> _reply="0" destination="com.canonical.Thumbnailer" (uid=32011 pid=2492 comm="/us
[23:47] <vthompson> r/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/thumbnailer/thumbnail")"
[23:53] <doflaherty> is there a "correct" way to submit a merge proposal to a core/system app?
[23:53] <vthompson> doflaherty, are you fixing a bug or implementing a new feature/behavior?
[23:54] <doflaherty> fixing a bug
[23:55] <vthompson> here's a loose development guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide
[23:55] <vthompson> If there's already a bug report assign the bug to yourself, otherwise create a new bug report
[23:55] <doflaherty> I filed one, fixed it, updated the corresponding test and submitted it to the gallery-app, but got no feedback regarding it
[23:56] <tyhicks> vthompson: apparmor does look to be blocking your message but I don't see anything in the policy groups that allow access to that D-Bus interface
[23:56] <tyhicks> vthompson: I'm very familiar with apparmor d-bus mediation, but not so familiar with our apparmor policy groups on touch
[23:56] <vthompson> doflaherty, Not sure about system apps like Gallery. They might be busy and take awhile to get to a MP
[23:56] <tyhicks> vthompson: if you can wait until tomorrow, jdstrand should be able to give you an answer
[23:57] <vthompson> tyhicks, that sounds perfect, thanks!
[23:57] <doflaherty> okay, I wasn't sure if I was missing something
[23:57] <tyhicks> np!
[23:59] <vthompson> doflaherty, I see your dialog MP. Since it's relatively minor, I'd imagine it might sit around for awhile
[23:59] <vthompson> No one's even triaged the bug yet


[07:16] <rvba> jtv1: it's in /etc/maas/templates/deployment-user-data/maas_configure_interfaces.py
[07:20] <jtv1> rvba: great, thanks.  That's the expected location.
[07:21] <jtv1> I just mis-typed it earlier.
[07:21] <rvba> Ah, okay.
[11:29] <jtv> rvba: can I impose on your Django knowledge?
[11:29] <jtv> I'm trying to set a computed default value for a form field.
[11:30] <jtv> When I clean the field in the form, it's always present and its cleaned_data value is never None.
[11:30] <jtv> The django docs say that setting an "initial" value is not the way to do this, but they don't say what is.
[11:31] <jtv> (Even setting a callable default on the model wouldn't do the trick, because the default needs to refer to the Node object itself)
[11:32] <rvba> jtv: I don't understand why you're saying that the field is always present and that its cleaned_data value is never None.  Is that a result of something you've done?
[11:34] <rvba> jtv: why can't you set your default value in the form's __init__?
[11:34] <jtv> Could be.  When my clean_<field> method (on the form) looks for self.cleaned_data.get(<field>) it never gets None back.
[11:34] <jtv> Set it in the form's __init__?  Do I have the instance at that point, when the form is creating a new object?
[11:35] <rvba> No, unless you create it yourself manually, then *update* it when save() is called.
[11:35] <rvba> So, you want the initial value to depend on a non-yet created object?
[11:35] <rvba> I don't understand.
[11:36] <jtv> This is NodeForm; all I really need is its NodeGroup.
[11:36] <jtv> If I can get that, I can get the default value.
[11:37] <rvba> Then presumably you want to pass the nodegroup to the form's __init__ and derive the default value from it.
[11:38] <rvba> Same as what NodeGroupDefineForm does with 'status'.
[11:41] <jtv> rvba: so... overriding save() looks like the only way to set a computed default with access to the object's properties..?
[11:41] <rvba> jtv: yes, save() is where the object is created by the form.
[11:42] <rvba> jtv: but surely the data you need (the nodegroup) is part of the data sent to the form?
[11:43] <jtv> Probably, yes.  I'm more worried at this stage about how I'll know whether a value was submitted for my field.
[11:46] <rvba> jtv: if no value was submitted for the field, cleaned_data should be set to the default value.
[11:46] <rvba> cleaned_data.get(field_name) that is
[11:46] <jtv> The default _model_ value?
[11:47] <jtv> Well stupid question I guess,
[11:47] <jtv> since there doesn't seem to be a default form value.
[11:48] <jtv> I guess I'd have to make the model-level field default to None, but disallow nulls?
[11:49] <rvba> Yes, I assume the default model value is there when the form gets validated.
[11:50] <rvba> I don't think you need to make the model-level field default to None.
[11:53] <jtv> Well it's a boolean field that can't be null, and I need a way to know whether a value was provided to the form...
[11:54] <jtv> I get the impression that the model is the only level where I can provide a default.
[11:54] <jtv> (Unless we count "initial" which the docs say won't do this.)
[11:54]  * jtv eats for a bit
[11:56]  * rvba → lunch
[12:42] <jtv> Arrrrrgh!  My problem was in factory.make_NodeGroup accepting my new field but not passing it on!
[12:44] <jtv> That's why my test failed: the default was always False, even if I explicitly set it to True.
[12:44] <jtv> Question now is: at what point in all my experiments did the test start failing for that reason?
[13:07] <jtv> Urgh.  That's enough for tonight.  Have a good weekend everyone.


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[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted proxy-switcher [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [0.1.9-1]
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[02:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-8-cross-ports [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/universe) [2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[07:11] <fossfreedom_> jbicha, I know the new tilix package is stuck in bionic-proposed due to a ppc build issue - but please can we block tilix from migrating once the ppc build is unblocked? Need to investigate this high priority issue that would make tilix unusable.  thanks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tilix/+bug/1750322
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted browserpass [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [2.0.11+dfsg-1]
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[11:49] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: add the block-proposed tag to that bug
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[14:48] <xnox> apw, autopkgtests look clean; however 4.15.0-9-*udebs need cleanup / removal
[14:48] <xnox> and then good to release linux 4.15?
[14:52] <apw> xnox, as in nbs in -proposed i assume
[14:53] <apw> xnox, yes, that; ok eraser applied
[15:59] <jbicha> sil2100: could you accept LP: #1644662 for xenial too?
[16:00] <superm1> I've uploaded backports for bug 1748583 to trusty-backports and xenial-backports, can I please get someone to review them?
[16:02] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: sounds like you may want to add a vte2.91 task to that bug to keep that from migrating until the tilix bug is fixed too
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: bolt (bionic-proposed/primary) [0.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:18] <sil2100> jbicha: will review it in a moment
[16:18] <sil2100> I was in an area without internet
[16:19] <jbicha> scary place to be ;)
[16:20] <sil2100> Yeah, usually there were no internet issues with my parents place but this time was somehow unlucky
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (artful-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3.1] (core)
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[16:33] <acheronuk> iso issue? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[16:34] <acheronuk> has not been updated since the 14th
[16:35] <sil2100> jbicha: I had to reject the first g-t-s upload and reupload, so don't be surprised by a rejection message
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-themes-standard [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.18.0-2ubuntu2]
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[17:36] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: There's ISOs in pending which means that automated tests aren't passing for Ubuntu Desktop
[17:37] <acheronuk> :/
[17:39] <tsimonq2> sil2100, slangasek: Can I please get a review on calamares-settings-ubuntu? The total size is like 1.6 MB with most of that being PNGs, and I'd like to switch Lubuntu Next over to Calamares sooner rather than later.
[17:40] <acheronuk> 14th will be good enough for what I want :)
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[17:44] <tsimonq2> juliank: Thanks for the apt upload!
[18:03] <sil2100> tsimonq2: where is that?
[18:07] <sil2100> Ah, bionic NEW
[18:07] <sil2100> hm, ok, I can look into that, since I see there's quite a backlog - I'm still an AA 'in training' so I don't do regular reviews yet
[18:24] <ahasenack> apw: hi, remember zstd? The artful package is also in the same "new" state: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+queue
[18:24] <ahasenack> rbasak: ^
[18:41] <sil2100> Didn't I approve those?
[18:41] <sil2100> Oh, was that for xenial?
[18:42] <sil2100> Ah yes, for xenial
[18:42] <sil2100> ahasenack: I can look at those as I did the previous ones IIRC
[18:43] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks
[18:43] <ahasenack> sorry, I thought it had been apw
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[18:45] <ahasenack> yay \o/
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[20:54] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, can you please move node-babel, node-gulp-babel, node-babylon to universe from multiverse? rationale is: now the bootstrap is finished, and Debian switched from contrib to main too... do you prefer a bug?
[20:54] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: "now the bootstrap is finished"? it's not done at all in Ubuntu yet
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, it is :p
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg> it is publishing right now from my silo :)
[20:55] <slangasek> ah? ok
[20:55] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: are those the only three packages that need promoting?
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm uploading a no-change rebuild from the -release pocket, just to be sure everything is in place
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, I think they are the only packages, but I might be wrong...
[20:56] <slangasek> ok, moving
[20:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm not really sure how to check that
[20:56] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[20:56] <LocutusOfBorg> in case I guess the new no-change rebuilds will complain if some bits are still in multiverse?
[21:24] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: "complain" in that they'll wind up stuck in dep-wait, yes
[21:36] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, node-regenerator-transform please :)
[22:13] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, regenerator-transform is the only one, according to the build logs of the versions in release (they all picked only that package from multiverse)
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[22:22] <LocutusOfBorg> hurray stuff is unblocking :)
[22:39] <tsimonq2> \o\ /o/ \o\
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe apw or somebody else can do the node-regenerator-transform move to universe?
[22:49]  * LocutusOfBorg falls asleep
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> g night
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[19:08] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: can you hold off on updating -ati in case you were going to? ppa packages aren't getting built today for some reason and wont be able to rebuild against xserver 1.14
[19:10] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: scratch that, they're working now after retrying, all the other uploads in the past 2 hours got dropped
[19:24] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: oh phew you caught the raring libxi change, got nervous seeing the update :)
[19:34] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: yeah pitti pinged me about it


[16:36] <mayak> Hi all. Quick question, is it possible to modify the "cloud-init:" shell prompt, while the setup is running?
[17:00] <minimal> mayak: what shell? cloud-init does not provide a shell. Do you mean the console (or logfile) output of cloud-init?
[17:06] <blackboxsw> falcojr: holmanb base schema JSON for user-data merged now https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1175
[17:07] <blackboxsw> so we can start chunking out all config module schema definitions now
[17:07] <falcojr> sounds good!
[17:19] <mayak> minimal: Oh yes, correct - I meant to say the console (or logfile) of cloud-init. In my case the output looks as follows (I am misusing the Ubuntu Live System in this case): https://abload.de/img/cloud-initugkar.png
[17:21] <mayak> If possible, I would like to remove the "prompt" part: [  48.0000] cloud-init [3387]:
[17:34] <blackboxsw> I believe that "prompt" is the name of the cloud-init process and the PID on your system. I believe that is standard rsyslog template format of the system you are on, not necessarily cloud-init related.  You might be able to tweak rsyslog templates to make some of that formatted output change. Admitedly I haven't done that before  and was googling things like https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/_downloads/rsyslog-example.conf
[17:36] <mayak> minimal Somehow I got disconnected from IRC in case you wrote me a reply. Sorry.
[17:38] <blackboxsw> mayak: I believe that "prompt" is the name of the cloud-init process and the PID on your system. I believe that is standard rsyslog template format of the system you are on, not necessarily cloud-init related.  You might be able to tweak rsyslog templates to make some of that formatted output change. Admitedly I haven't done that before  and was googling things like
[17:38] <blackboxsw> https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/_downloads/rsyslog-example.conf
[17:38] <blackboxsw> though I admit that's not a very helpful response.
[17:39] <blackboxsw> https://rsyslog.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configuration/templates.html is better
[17:40] <mayak> Thank you very much, I will look through the links and let you know if I managed to change it.
[17:58] <s|oO|0o|g> hi, are there any best practices as far as log management for cloud-init is concerned? the best I could find is "can be deleted after 3 days" from prodisup.com "handling-logs-on-ubuntu"... TBH I've never really bothered looking into cloud-init, fast forward one year and one 20.04 server has an 11GB cloud-init.log :/
[17:59] <s|oO|0o|g> there is an open launchpad ticket from 2019 about the lack of rotation, but not much activity
[17:59] <s|oO|0o|g> now that I'm thinking about it, that's one hell of a strategy to get people to pay attention XD
[18:00] <s|oO|0o|g> now that I think*
[18:01] <s|oO|0o|g> "Read the docs and decide for yourself"?
[18:03] <holmanb> blackboxsw: sounds good, thanks!
[18:13] <mayak> root
[18:51] <minimal> s|oO|0o|g>: do you not run something like logrotate on your machines? add the cloud-init files to its config...
[20:03] <blackboxsw> s|oO|0o|g>: yeah maybe logrotate.d config something like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zVD6TCPvRd/
[22:59] <blackboxsw> falcojr: holmanb or paride https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/cloud-init/job/cloud-init-integration-lxd_vm-jammy-daily/12/consoleFull PYCLOUDLIB_* env vars are still not being passed into our CI. Here's a PR that should fix it.
[23:02] <blackboxsw> the long awaited PR link https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1196