[00:20] <HiDeHo> Hi all i have a long outstanding ban from the main channel. i am not sure of the finer details, but i believe its something i have moved on from and gotten over. i used to be a loose unit in irc adn raved on like a freak. I woudl liek to be let back into this channel from time to tiem when i am using ubuntu. to chat generally about it. no other os even related ones like mint or debian descusion at all.
[00:21] <pangolin> Give me a minute to look up the ban, but just so you know #ubuntu is not a "chat" channel it is for support.
[00:22] <pangolin> if you want to just chat about ubuntu there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:24] <pangolin> HiDeHo: seems the last time you got banned was because of poor attitude and name calling of other users who tried to correct you when you gave wrong/bad advice. Does this sound like what you remember?
[00:28] <HiDeHo> it might have been back then i used to spend hourd up late on my computer liek till 3am so might have done that when over tired then. my fault for being on my comoputer that time i guess. its up to you and other ops if you want to give ma another chance but i understand if you dont
[00:28] <HiDeHo> * hours up late
[00:29] <pangolin> I am willing to remove the ban but before I do I want to make sure you understand that sort of behaviour is unacceptable in any ubuntu channels
[00:29] <pangolin> !guidelines
[00:30] <pangolin> please have a look at the guidelines and let me know if you understand and are willing to follow them
[00:30] <HiDeHo> from my observing, you run a tight channel and one step over the line kick, ban out of there.  i understand why you need to be like that.
[00:32] <pangolin> I also need you to understand and acknowledge that #ubuntu is not for general chat of any kind, even ubuntu related. The channel is for support only.
[00:35] <HiDeHo> pangolin: is there an oftiic channel you recomend for ubuntu users
[00:35] <pangolin> #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:35] <HiDeHo> sometimes there is a handy need for general chat between users
[00:36] <HiDeHo> ok thats good. a slight reminder to move there every now and then is good thanks
[00:36] <HiDeHo> sometimes without meaning to general chat happens
[00:36] <pangolin> well, that is the thing. I don't want to have to remind you to chat in the off topic channel.
[00:37] <pangolin> #ubuntu is for support. that is why we have #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:37] <pangolin> So, if you agree to follow the chanel guidelines I will be happy to remove the ban and let you join #ubuntu to get and give ubuntu support.
[00:38] <pangolin> channel*
[00:44] <pangolin> HiDeHo: you still here?
[04:36] <Jordan_U> Any idea why we've had a recent upsurge in people trying !list in #ubuntu?
[04:51] <pangolin> possibly the fact that megaupload was shut down
[06:49] <Silverlion> HiDeHo: hey there
[06:50] <HiDeHo> hi i have read the rules in I've Been Redeemed as requested by pangolin earlier. I understand that i need to watch how i act I will read them from time to time to remind me.
[06:50] <HiDeHo> Silverlion: i asume you are one of the many ops
[06:51] <Silverlion> HiDeHo: i am one of the ops, yes
[06:51] <HiDeHo> ok well i agree to the guidlines ok
[06:52] <pangolin> HiDeHo: Please be aware that if we are forced to ban you again it will take a lot longer before we unban you.
[06:52] <HiDeHo> no spamming, no cross posting, no dont use public away messages
[06:52] <Silverlion> HiDeHo: as i havent been present pangolin will take over
[06:52] <HiDeHo> what are public awauy messages
[06:53] <HiDeHo> i want ot know what that is so i dont break it when in #ubuntu
[06:53] <pangolin> scripts that announce you are away in the channel
[06:53] <HiDeHo> pangolin: i understand its been more than 6th month from what i recall since i ws baned anyway
[06:53] <HiDeHo> such as
[06:54] <pangolin> ok, I removed the ban. Please rejoin #ubuntu and welcome back.
[06:54] <HiDeHo-away> you mean like that or
[06:54] <pangolin> that too
[06:55] <pangolin> try to avoid changing your nick often when in #ubuntu
[06:55] <HiDeHo-afk> i woudl not term tha as bad but if you do i will respect
[06:55] <pangolin> thank you.
[06:55] <HiDeHo-afk> ok what are public away messags you make it sound like its more
[06:56] <pangolin> scripts that annouce you are away...
[06:56]  * pangolin is away blah blah blah
[06:56] <HiDeHo> thanks pangolin i will come in when i need assistance
[06:56] <pangolin> things like that.
[06:56] <HiDeHo> i dont understand what scripts you mean
[06:57] <pangolin> then don't worry bout it :)
[06:57] <pangolin> if you don't know you aren't using any
[06:57] <HiDeHo> well some peopel have there irc client such as xchat wet with an away message
[06:57] <HiDeHo> * xchat set
[06:58] <HiDeHo> maybe i am withoug knowing the terms
[06:58] <Jordan_U> HiDeHo: Using "/away Back in a few minutes" or similar should not cause any visible message in any channels in most clients by default. As long as it doesn't spam the channel in some way, it's fine.
[06:59] <HiDeHo> ok well i always appreciate a contact first pm email etc to explain things to me so i know whats up before bans etc
[06:59] <HiDeHo> i dotn get it when i use /awau be back soon it shows to others in a channel for me
[06:59] <bazhang> email?
[07:00] <HiDeHo> ops have accesss
[07:00] <bazhang> no we dont
[07:01] <Jordan_U> We are not Freenode staff (and I'm not sure if even most of them have access to email addresses that are hidden).
[07:01] <pangolin> I think freenode staff do but I am not sure about that
[07:01] <Jordan_U> Well, some of the Ubuntu ops are Freenode staff, but most aren't, and I certainly am not :)
[07:01] <bazhang> it's moot, knowing the channel guidelines is enough.
[07:02] <Jordan_U> HiDeHo: For minor things, and when dealing with users that don't have a history of causing problems, we do give warnings before a removal or ban. We will use reasonable discression though, and some things will get you banned without warning. If you follow the channel guidelines you should be fine.
[07:07] <pangolin> HiDeHo: if there is nothing else please part this channel.
[07:12] <HiDeHo> ok
[07:12] <HiDeHo> thanks
[09:07] <Silverlion> ldunn ;) hi there
[09:26] <ldunn> hullo
[11:59] <LjL> ikonia: tbh i don't see how telling someone how to reset their router in one line is detrimental to the channel...
[12:00] <ikonia> it's not
[12:00] <ikonia> but it's also nothing to do with ubuntu, do one, you have to then (well, set a standard) that you do others
[12:02] <LjL> ikonia: i would like to see a little bit more flexibility around here. you're very strict about things, to the point that you tell users who simply ask for a channel that we're not a phone directory... (about that, maybe you forget that #ubuntu is joined by default by Ubuntu clients, and how are people supposed to know better). in the same vein, i don't see how giving a single support answer to a router question can be worse than telling someone where a
[12:02] <LjL> channel is, or reminding them of the rules, all of which are technically offtopic.
[12:02] <ikonia> LjL: to be honest, yes I do
[12:03] <ikonia> if you join a channel and start saying "where is the channel to talk about the hurd"
[12:03] <ikonia> what's the point ?
[12:03] <ikonia> we are not here to be a channel re-direction service
[12:03] <ikonia> the whole point of the channel is ubuntu support, I don't believe we should be helping people hack their router (or reset their password) helping users find random channels that are nothing to do with the project
[12:03] <ikonia> that's what #freenode is for, #defocus channels like that
[12:04] <LjL> ikonia: then tell the developers to make the IRC clients stop joining #ubuntu by default.
[12:04] <ikonia> may as well make the channel Ubuntus channel for generic help and IRC guidence
[12:04] <ikonia> LjL: an interesting suggestion with pros/cons
[12:05] <LjL> in my opinion you just end up getting decent helpers frustrated by shouting at them that they can't do this and can't do that.
[12:05] <ikonia> there is just a guy asking "how do I hack my router"
[12:05] <ikonia> there is no decent helper helping
[12:05] <ikonia> I see what you are saying, but then lets drop the topic and just have it as Ubuntus generic help channel
[12:05] <ikonia> as you can't help one guy crack his router, and then say to another guy "no sorry, no here"
[12:07] <LjL> ikonia: feel free to tell the guy asking "how do I hack my router" that it's not appropriate here, but there *was* someone decently and helpfully telling him how he could reset his password, and you told them off.
[12:07] <ikonia> LjL: because that said guy constantly offers non-ubuntu help (hence why said I've asked you before)
[12:07] <LjL> seriously, i often give short offtopic suggestions usually followed with a "but the right channel for that would be ##whatever"
[12:08] <ikonia> that user is welcome to pm him and help him after I made it clear it wasn't in the channel
[12:08] <LjL> i'm not going to stop doing that
[12:08] <ikonia> I don't expect you to do that
[12:08] <ikonia> pointing someone in the right direction is different to "let me walk you through it"
[12:58] <ikonia> !wtf > Pharaoh
[12:59] <Silverlion> ikonia: ???
[13:00] <ikonia> I'm asking ubottu to send a private message to the user Pharaoh
[13:01] <Silverlion> !wtf > Silverlion
[13:04] <Silverlion> ah ok, got it ^^
 NyLes: have u ever compiled nv drivers?
[14:17] <bazhang> does that seem prudent?
[14:19] <Silverlion> bazhang: what does prudent mean?
[14:20] <bazhang> wise/ a good choice etc
[14:21] <Silverlion> bazhang: i have read the logs of ubuntu. honestly i would have asked the same question to know how much NyLes knows about the topic
[14:21] <bazhang> exactly Silverlion , he's a very new user
[14:22] <Silverlion> bazhang: which is totally ok for me
[14:22] <Silverlion> i do ask the persons such questions myself to know how simple i have to explain things
[14:43] <bazhang> from Austria.  heh
[14:52] <bazhang> odd the -meta has not marked a question for a good long while now
[14:53] <bazhang> LjL, is that predicated on there being a ? in the question?
[14:53] <LjL> bazhang: no, the ? is not necessary
[14:53] <LjL> it helps though
[14:53] <bazhang> ok
[14:54] <LjL> bazhang: but remember it doesn't show questions that were answered within 3 minutes
[14:54] <AlanBell> does answered mean someone spoke to the questioner by name?
[14:55] <LjL> AlanBell: yes, unless the answer is detected to be another question
[14:57] <AlanBell> clever
[14:57] <LjL> if you want ALL THE QUESTIONS, they can be seen in #metabot
[14:57] <ikonia> LjL: did you write this from scratch ?
[14:58] <LjL> ikonia: yes, but i used "ifile", a bayesian classifier, to do the actual work
[16:27] <bazhang> sidney_ claims not to have a sources.list
[16:27] <ikonia> he is telling lies or has deleted it
[16:28] <bazhang> no response to asking what version returns
[16:28] <ikonia> http://paste.debian.net/157064
[16:29] <ikonia> that's his sources.list
[16:30] <ikonia> I'm sure you can see why he's not keen to answer your questions
[16:30] <bazhang> ooh nice catch from #debian
[16:30] <bazhang> no idea why they would crosspost from there
[16:30] <ikonia> because he didn't get it fixed
[16:31] <ikonia> so is now asking in another channel as people where getting fed up with him in #debian
[16:31] <bazhang> hah
[16:38] <bazhang> * RenatoSilva<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:38] <bazhang> he's got a history of being very brusque such as that
[16:39] <ikonia> just forward him here and have a chat with him
[16:39] <ikonia> it's common for people to "have to go" and /part after making that sort of comment
[16:39] <bazhang> yep
[17:34] <mneptok> https://faculty.up.edu/ainan/PalindromeDay21022012.pdf
[17:35] <Pici> never odd or even
[17:36] <popey> \o/ correct date format
[17:50] <jrib> there's no 21st month, I'm so confused
[20:51] <UdontKnow> hi, we have a troll in #ubuntu-br, can someone take a moment to talk to Thrun or just ban him please?
[20:54] <oCean> UdontKnow: we don't handle loco channels. Try #ubuntu-irc
[20:54] <UdontKnow> ah, k
[20:54] <UdontKnow> oCean: thanks for the tip
[20:54] <oCean> unless there's a -br-ops, but I don't think so
[21:41] <LjL> of course the one saying "don't feed the troll" is the one who fed them in the first place
[22:45] <Myrtti> so which channel can we point these people to?
[22:46] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-phone?
[22:46] <Myrtti> popey ^
[22:48] <popey> sure ☺
[22:49] <Myrtti> discuss
[22:50] <Myrtti> is there any better place?
[23:08]  * popey shrugs
[23:08] <popey> its _not_ Ubuntu Phone
[23:08] <popey> I dont think there is a _good_ place for it
[23:10] <AlanBell> taipei
[23:32] <LjL> will bazhang want them?
[23:48] <gord> #ubuntu-on-a-phone
[23:48] <gord> #ubuntu-on-a-phone-kinda
[23:54] <popey> #ubuntu-not-ubuntu-phone-but-ubuntu-on-a-phone
[23:57] <elky> heh
[23:57] <elky> #ubuntu-whatever-nobody-reads-topics-anyway


[21:04] <waltman> Tell he she's being speciesist!


 @TotalSonic [Not the greatest of a download speed - but I will take it!], I shouldn't show what my PC gets lol
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/QH09OHIs.png
 ... and I'm still not getting the full 100mps download that I am paying for
 (Photo, 1280x632) https://irc.ubports.com/qqZKQpHR.png
 I don't get the gig that I pay for.
 And I have a $400 router.
 and a $100 modem.
 nice - wish they had gigabit fiber in these parts - but Google stopped putting in lines  about 5 miles South of here
 As far as I know, it's not fiber, but could be wrong.  I wouldn't pay that much for that
 Wonder if you would be better off with CalyxOS's internet thing.
 @Braillynn [Oh shit! I wouldn't pay that much for that], I don't have a choice.  AT&T is a little bit cheaper but offers even worse service.
 https://members.calyxinstitute.org/enroll
 Techlore did a video on the service if you're interested.
 On YouTube and LBRy
 @TotalSonic [I don't have a choice.  AT&T is a little bit cheaper but offers even worse servi …], look at FreedomPop, they have some decent stuff and its AT&T based
 @Braillynn [Oh shit! I wouldn't pay that much for that], Forgot I have a landline bundled in that bill. My wifey likes to have one still in case of emergencies.
 (Photo, 500x500) https://irc.ubports.com/NAPoQnbJ.png
 @TotalSonic [Forgot I have a landline bundled in that bill. My wifey likes to have one still …], and you can create a landline with PBX or VoIP service, or even mix them together
 @Shakendo [look at FreedomPop, they have some decent stuff and its AT&T based], I'm talking about wired broadband ISP - where the choices here are Spectrum or AT&T - not mobile plans.
 ahh ok, could probably do something with a FreedomPop hotspot?
 @Shakendo [and you can create a landline with PBX or VoIP service, or even mix them togethe …], The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when internet/cell doesn't. So relying on VoIP doesn't really make sense for this.
 @Javacookies [I think printing was removed for some reason.], space, but now that oxide is removed? wonder if enough space for it
 I realize this got way OT though.
 @TotalSonic [The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when in …], well the ISP platforms are all switching over to a VoIP solution, my house has one
 @Shakendo [well the ISP platforms are all switching over to a VoIP solution, my house has o …], Yeah, I question the sense in paying for a landline myself, but that's a topic for elsewhere.
 @Shakendo [well the ISP platforms are all switching over to a VoIP solution, my house has o …], [Edit] Yeah, I question the sense in continuing paying for a landline myself, but that's a topic for elsewhere.
 @mateosalta [space, but now that oxide is removed? wonder if enough space for it], How many megabytes does the Oxide support take up in the OTA15 image anyway?
 @TotalSonic [How many megabytes does the Oxide support take up in the OTA15 image anyway?], i'd venture as much as qtwebengine takes
 ok, I take it back - now calls aren't working from 2nd SIM.  Going to have to test a few things out.
 if that's volla that could be related to halium 9 fwiw
 there was an issue with calls on halium 9 that is being worked on iirc
 @Fuseteam [if that's volla that could be related to halium 9 fwiw], yup - a restart got outgoing and incoming calls working again.
[02:16] <ubptgbot> kekekekd was added by: kekekekd
 @Braillynn [Techlore did a video on the service if you're interested.], Yes! I had 3mbps DSL Ina rural area, now with Calyx I'm getting around 20mbps!
 @Scott [Yes! I had 3mbps DSL Ina rural area, now with Calyx I'm getting around 20mbps!], Nice! What tier?
[02:34] <ubptgbot> yashvermazxz was added by: yashvermazxz
 @Braillynn [Nice! What tier?], I joined the contributor plan. I've had it for 2 weeks now, I wish I had known of it sooner!
 Hello members … As I'm new user to ubuntu … Can anyone suggest me using whatsapp in chrome is better or whatsdesk downloading  … Which one is better  … Please suggest
 Things should improve with TMobile and Sprint merging I think.
 @yashvermazxz [Hello members … As I'm new user to ubuntu … Can anyone suggest me using whatsapp in …], You can use WhatsApp in a browser?
 @Braillynn [You can use WhatsApp in a browser?], Whatsapp web
[03:02] <ubptgbot> arplusplus was added by: arplusplus
 Hey I'm really curious about this project. Now I want to ask is this actually linux underneath. Like can I use apt get and make i ngnix server? Like raspberry pi?
 Or it's a stripped down version of Ubuntu?
 Like Macos - >ios
 It is actually Linux underneath, but you won't find it easy to make your phone into a server.
 Why not?
 It's based on Ubuntu, but it's modified to make it more usable as a consumer device.
 We generally don't suggest using apt to install software, mostly because it's breaky
 😒😑 Got it
 So basically that mean no apache, ngnix, sql
 Nodejs
 Python etc
 It's basically a limited mobile os
 Like ios
 Not easily. You could do it, but you'd be better off buying a Raspberry Pi instead of trying to turn your phone into a server.
 Ubuntu Touch just isn't made for that.
 The problem with raspberry pi is lack of available modules
 I can use phone for taking pictures, record sound. It's a built in device
 And walking server with storage
 Walking computer
 And arm chip
 Raspberry pi cpu is 💩
 You can make the root filesystem read-write and install anything you want from the Ubuntu 16.04 repositories. But you can never use the image-based upgrades again, you'll run into limitations on the size of the root filesystem, and you'll probably end up with a broken phone in a few weeks of upgrading.
 Phones are not servers in general, they have different needs and break more easily with server-grade tasks
 @fredldotme [Phones are not servers in general, they have different needs and break more easi …], I was planning to host my decentralized app
 You're root, you can do whatever you want. But you probably won't have an enjoyable experience.
 On it but never mind
 I'll use a small pc like raspberry or nvidia's jetson
 Or something else
 @UniversalSuperBox [You're root, you can do whatever you want. But you probably won't have an enjoya …], Hmm
 @arplusplus the upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 base will bring with it systemd, and thus `systemd-nspawn` which means you can spawn services as root inside containers, so you could use one of those in the future stored under `/home/phablet`
 you could already do chroot but it's not that great
 @Deathmist1337 [@arplusplus the upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 base will bring with it systemd, and thu …], Interesting
 You could make a chroot that launches with your session already. You could even keep the phone awake all the time so your server never goes down. Your battery life would be about 3 hours but it'd work.
 ^^ I'll take a screenshot. Sound complex to me right now. New to UBport. But following the project for years
 Overall, I'd advise against it. I don't think you'll have a good time, and you probably won't get anyone around here who will help you (since none of us do it)
 Got it
 Thankyou
 @yashvermazxz [Hello members … As I'm new user to ubuntu … Can anyone suggest me using whatsapp in …], I do not use Whatsapp - but as far as I am aware the only thing that kind of works just for basic text chat with it right now is the WhatsWeb app available in the Open Store - https://open-store.io/app/alefnode.whatsweb
 so I just updated my nexus 7 tablet, the open store doesnt wanna load now, nor does teleports, anyone else have this issue?
 @Shakendo [so I just updated my nexus 7 tablet, the open store doesnt wanna load now, nor d …], Will have to dig mine up, haven't used it in a while, and battery on mine is barely charging up these days, so who knows whether it will power up
 same for me, I use mine as an ebook reader, I wanted to add an app to it but the store never loaded, weboages are sorta working but thats about it
[05:32] <ubptgbot> <Guillaume Gauvin> good now learn python
 @Guillaume Gauvin [good now learn python], ?
[06:14] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/NX7f9nrm.png
[06:14] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> What is this error...??
 @TotalSonic [The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when in …], Of you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP
 @rocket2nfinity [Of you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP], Doh!
 @rocket2nfinity [Of you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP], I did not know that - thanks for the info
 Mskes sense though.
 [Edit] Makes sense though.
 @TotalSonic [The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when in …], [Edit] If you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP
 So go with VoIP.ms and save yourself a bundle. I pay $66 for spectrum
 But I don't subscribe to cable
 [Edit] But I don't subscribe to the TV package
 Let us know if AT&T cuts you off with red pocket
 On the Pine64 forums there are a couple of people still with service using them or other non-AT&T owned MVNOs
 But Cricket and AT&T pre-pay are getting kicked. So, don't know if that will roll out to the other MVNOs
 Would you mind moving the discussion about ISP plans to OT group please?
 Gladly, if anyone still wants to continue it
 Thanks.
 Or, because this topic seems to be here on a regular basis, maybe even a new group "ISP plans and networks" might be interesting for some.
 Bkuetooth doesn't seem to be working on the Nexus 6p
[10:06] <ubptgbot> papasfilms was added by: papasfilms
 A Bluetooth question, if I may... Does Bluetooth on UT support LE?
[10:29] <ubptgbot> Hiroshi0w0 was added by: Hiroshi0w0
[10:33] <talmid> is it possible to have your own ubuntu repository and update the system, for devices where it was ported already (hammerhead) ?
 You can only use repositories inside a container (Libertine)
 System apps don't use a repository
[10:46] <ubptgbot> Talmid Levi was added by: Talmid Levi
[10:48] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> I'm not finding the proper documentation on how to customize and build UBPorts for Nexus 5 and have a repo for your own system updates, is this possible?
[10:49] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> can I remove system apps?
[10:49] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> or add change system apps?
 You can but it's complicated 😉
[10:51] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> I was considering to integrate SIP calling in the tel app if possible
[10:52] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> the linphone port is not very usable
 @klaartje_b [A Bluetooth question, if I may... Does Bluetooth on UT support LE?], I think BLE is supported
[11:05] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> @nanu_c is there documentation how to do it?
 maybe here: https://gitlab.com/ubports/core/rootfs-builder-debos/-/blob/master/systemimage-builder.yaml
 @Talmid Levi [@nanu_c is there documentation how to do it?], Actually you don't want to build hundreds of debian packages but if you want that experience with 1 command, then look into postmarketos
 postmarketos on nexus 5 doesnt have sound working though
 so it's discouraged to use it
 @Nicktl [I think BLE is supported], it kind of work but in my experience, it usually has issue like disconnecting or problem when reconnecting.
[11:44] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @UniversalSuperBox [Overall, I'd advise against it. I don't think you'll have a good time, and you p …], I feel mobian or hubris mobian is better for the server setup
[11:46] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> Its just Debian plus phosh plus phone firmware
 @UniversalSuperBox [You could make a chroot that launches with your session already. You could even …], systemd-nspawn is better as it fully "boots" the chroot, meaning you can run services inside it and systemd fully works, it's great for ostree systems like fedora silverblue where the package manager relies on a daemon so if you're USB bo
[12:02] <ubptgbot> oted nspawn works really nicely as a recovery tool
 @Javacookies [it kind of work but in my experience, it usually has issue like disconnecting or …], Thank you both, good information. I'm currently involved in a round of Pebble wrangling.
 @Talmid Levi [I was considering to integrate SIP calling in the tel app if possible], if you want to do that you could look at the dailer app repo, but there so many different ways to call over sip etc it makes it all over complicated to find a common denominator
 @Talmid Levi [I was considering to integrate SIP calling in the tel app if possible], [Edit] if you want to do that you could look at the dailer app repo, but there so many different ways to call over sip etc, it makes the app over-complicated.
[13:01] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> @Fuseteam [if you want to do that you could look at the dailer app repo, but there so many …], I am more interested in having a customized OS without the OpenStore and a sip client on it
 @Talmid Levi [I am more interested in having a customized OS without the OpenStore and a sip c …], how so? i'm just saying you can make changes in the code here(https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app) if you want but it will make it more complicated to maintain
[13:06] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?
 ubuntu touch also makes use of image updates so if you go the traditional repo route you might have to forego ota updates
 @Talmid Levi [and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?], ubports-qa it should be documented in the repo
 [Edit] ubuntu touch also makes use of image updates so if you go the traditional repo route you might have to forego ota updates, which means you'll have to keep up to date in another way
 @Talmid Levi [and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?], [Edit] `ubports-qa` it should be documented in the repo
 i should mention the dialer-app isn't the only component involved in calls
[13:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> Hi
 hi
[14:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> So my pine phone has a circle on the screen
[14:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> When inturn it on
[14:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> The lock sreen
 we all have that circle i think
 we call it the stat circl
 [Edit] we call it the stat circle
[14:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ok
[14:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> Calendar too
[14:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> So my apt repow don't work
[14:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> Where can i get good ones
 wait now i'm confused, what is the issue with the stat circle? do you mean you see a circle in the calendar too?
 are trying to use apt on ubuntu touch? if so, that not supported. basically because apt is not made to work with a readonly rootfs
[14:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> The ring
 [Edit] are trying to use apt on ubuntu touch? if so, that not's supported. basically because apt is not made to work with a readonly rootfs
[14:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> Its a calendar
[14:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ok
[14:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> How do. Get good apps
 uh yeah it kinda is a calendar, but its more than that
[14:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> Do I got to write them
[14:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ok
 apps are available in the openstore, and yes we need more app developers or packagers really
[14:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> Yeah its kinda snall
[14:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> Small
[14:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> Id would like ff
 yeah firefox needs to be repackaged/ported for ubuntu touch
[14:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ok
 also partly its a gtk application
[14:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> I tried to use burgerking
[14:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> Wifi
[14:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> But it has one of tho dns redirects
[14:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> And I couldn't  get current browser  to bypass isl warning
[14:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ssl
[14:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> If inhad a browser I could put nextcloud and last pass on that
[14:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ssh and I'm good for a phone
 @Talmid Levi [and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?], You can use crossbuilder
 oh the captive portal thingie
[14:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> But its good so far
[14:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> Yeah
 also morph is a browser fwiw
[14:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> Me and words suck
[14:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> Aye
 tho it doesn't support extensions atm
[14:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> Going to wee hpqnit handles  it
[14:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> God keyboard so bad
[14:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> It not pine fault any phone is like this for me
 kinda wonder what it would take to port lastpass to the UT 🤔 tho we don't have an autofill service either
 what's the issue with the keyboard? too small keys? bad autocorrect?
 [Edit] kinda wonder what it would take to port lastpass to the UT 🤔 tho we don't have an autofill service yet either
 Phone keyboards are generally awful
[14:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> I'm just a mechanically gal
[14:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> I miss keys
 oh because its a touch screen keyboard
[14:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> Yes
 meh i still gotta finish flick either way :v still not satisfied with it due to some of its current quirks :v
 @dohbee [Phone keyboards are generally awful], Quoted for truth. I dream of a Cosmo Communicator with UT on it.
 tis a WIP iirc
[14:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> Well I think I broke camera
[14:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> It is just black
 i think piece has exactly that
 eh? was it working before?
[14:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> Slowly
[14:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> Like smearing across
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinephone/
 i think camera is still a work in progress
[14:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ok
[14:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> Audio is cute
[14:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> Played some music
 👀
[14:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> How is it with movies and TV show  codecs
 i don't know how it is on the pinephone, sometimes are are device specific bugs
[14:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> Ok
[14:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> Tty need food
 @arplusplus [Hey I'm really curious about this project. Now I want to ask is this actually li …], You could... But it won't be easy ;)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Qp4pFNEV.png I’m getting this weird message in the slot where it shows cell reception. As you guys can see, it says denied. As could be expected from that message, I have no reception. This is the first time I’ve see this message. Ever. In any phone and OS. Does anyone know what is going on with t
[14:44] <ubptgbot> hat?
 @JIHP334 [<reply to media>], Hmm this project is far from completion
 I think it will run ok on supported devices
 Maybe the dream of having open OS for smartphone will remain a dream
 I don't consider android open
 Neither I consider any smartphone os depend on amazon, google infrastructure open
 Something that's dependent on Protonmail, singal, open source maps
 Not even google firebase that sends app telemetry to google
[14:51] <ubptgbot> <Hans-Juergen Fischer> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7qe3CW8n.png
 ubuntu using none of those anyway
 @JIHP334 [<reply to media>], are you in the US? what carrier is that?
 [Edit] ubuntu touch using none of those anyway
 [Edit] ubuntu touch uses none of those anyway
 @Fuseteam [are you in the US? what carrier is that?], Yeah, US. The carrier is Red Pocket Mobile using AT&T’s signal.
 Which phone?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Which phone?], Nexus 5
 It might start working if you wait for a while. Sometimes the AT&T network takes a while to activate things.
 If not, check the APN settings.
 The APN is still selected, and there isn’t any changes to it. I checked against the website to make sure. … And the weird thing is, I had reception. I just suddenly noticed the signal icon was just empty, and when I checked in the menu it said Denied.
 Will morph be able to access camera and mirophone for videoconferencing?
 @dynasty17 [Will morph be able to access camera and mirophone for videoconferencing?], Someday, maybe. Right now,not ;)
 Pity. There is Galene video app that is easy and light to run. It is written in Go so it may be an option for videoconferencing at some point!
 @dynasty17 [Pity. There is Galene video app that is easy and light to run. It is written in …], Everything is doable in software, just a matter of effort :)
 @dynasty17 [Pity. There is Galene video app that is easy and light to run. It is written in …], tbf native apps are able to access camera and mic
 @Fuseteam [tbf native apps are able to access camera and mic], But from what I know, morph only works with mic on some devices and doesn't work at all with camera currently.
 point is native apps are not limited by this, webapps morph is :p
 Is it possible to run an SSH server on UT?
 it runs one, you just need to enable it
 Ah! Thanks... how do I do that?
 UTTT :P
 also it doesn't allow password auth by default
 Okay, I don't know anything about that, but I'll pass it on to my local guru. We are still Pebble wrangling here.
 pebble wrangling eh?
 uh tis fairly easy to set up ssh keys tbf
 @PiecerEdd [pebble wrangling eh?], Yup, got a lovely P Steel, but it does not recognise when I confirm the pin on the phone.
 ahh
 I've had that problem with my PTS too with UT
 it connects and then immediately disconnects
 @klaartje_b [Ah! Thanks... how do I do that?], here's a bit more documentation https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
 @Fuseteam [uh tis fairly easy to set up ssh keys tbf], Probably. I would not recognise an ssh key if it danced on the piano singing 'I'm an ssh key'.
 Thank you for the link, that should help!
 which is odd because using the same app on Sailfish (or at least, a sailfish port of the app?) works just fine
 @klaartje_b [Probably. I would not recognise an ssh key if it danced on the piano singing 'I' …], link explains it as well :P
 @Fuseteam [link explains it as well :P], 😘
 @PiecerEdd [which is odd because using the same app on Sailfish (or at least, a sailfish por …], write that down write that down
 i means sounds like a hint what it could be on ut 🤔
 @PiecerEdd [which is odd because using the same app on Sailfish (or at least, a sailfish por …], I'm not even getting them paired, I don't think the app is to blame.
 I'm documenting my wrangling here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5738/pebble-steel-rockwork
 yeah for me, the actual bluetooth pairing itself doesn't work right... they pair in the bluetooth settings menu but as soon as I switch to rockpool, it's gone
 Sounds like a different problem.
 Or maybe a related problem.
 from your OP on the thread, its exactly the same symptoms at least hehe
 rockwork says i dont have anything paired
 So it does. And the watch seems to agree.
 if it's BLE then probably an issue with bluetooth dealing with it
 I get a normal and a LE option. Like two versions of the watch visible on the phone.
 try the normal one … my keyboards and mouse usually has BLE and 3.0/4.0 and I use the latter.
 I have tried and tried, especially the normal one.
[17:57] <ubptgbot> kUqoagoqimvimaPsqv was added by: kUqoagoqimvimaPsqv
 I have been unable to remove added Custom Background images via the System Settings gui on Volla Phone ota-15 stable. Is this a known bug, or is there something I am missing in tryong to get this to work?
 [Edit] I have been unable to remove added Custom Background images via the System Settings gui on Volla Phone ota-15 stable. Is this a known bug, or is there something I am missing in trying to get this to work?
 I think I saw a logged issue about that
 so I guess a known issue
 And I think someone was already working on a fix. But obviously not merged or finished yet
 @TotalSonic [I have been unable to remove added Custom Background images via the System Setti …], Do you have more than one custom background image?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Do you have more than one custom background image?], Yes, I have a bunch of them
 Okay
 Never mind then
 (Photo, 640x430) https://irc.ubports.com/VynyM5dR.png
 @UniversalSuperBox [Do you have more than one custom background image?], Is there a folder these are imported into which I can manually delete them from?
 I'm not sure, but I thought there was a problem with deleting them when you only had one.
 Nice to see this update from Volla: "Two more developers are now supporting the Volla team to improve both the Volla OS and Ubuntu Touch for the Volla Phone.  … For Ubuntu Touch, the big OTA-16 update is just around the corner. We are currently testing dual SIM card support for the mobile Linux operating system. We are also preparing t
[18:56] <ubptgbot> o improve the stability of the system. Some users reported the occasional failure of the mobile network and the sound during calls. In this case, a reboot of the device is currently sufficient.". https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy#/updates/17
[20:25] <ubptgbot> Sunny Patel was added by: Sunny Patel
 I have a redmi note 7. That's the only phone that I have. I have been wanting to start flashing it with tons for a long time now. Today I took a backup of my important files. I'm thinking about unlocking the bootloader next weekend. Then, in theory, I can install Ubuntu touch on it and transfer my files and if I don't want it, I can fl
[20:52] <ubptgbot> ash another android based rom. Is this a safe/possible plan that I have?
 Yep sounds ok
 Thanks! Would you consider it, daily driver ready?
 @klaartje_b [Quoted for truth. I dream of a Cosmo Communicator with UT on it.], This is reasonably encouraging: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3453/cosmo-communicator/
 @papasfilms [Thanks! Would you consider it, daily driver ready?], I don't own that phone :(
 My ubuntu touch experience overall? Yes
 Thanks!
 Let's cross every single finger in my body!
 BTW I'm from Greece and my phone carrier isn't the most mainstream one. Will I run to any problem?
 [Edit] BTW I'm from Greece and my phone carrier isn't the most mainstream one. Will I ran to any problem?
 Shouldn't
 May need to enter apns
 That should be it
 @papasfilms [BTW I'm from Greece and my phone carrier isn't the most mainstream one. Will I r …], Cosmote?
 Q-telecom
 By Wind hellas
 @papasfilms [Q-telecom], Ah
 I'm from Romania, and I've used a telekom sim card before and it worked fine
 Thanks a lot for your help
 Really appreciate it
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/pJ433q5q.webp
 I got my Pebble to work with Rockwork on UT!
 Excuse me as I do the happy dance.
 Congrats! I remember finding that most of the Pebble-side apps didn't have much functionality on UT (seemingly much more on Android from my testing) but maybe I missed a step. Let us know how you find that side of it.
 @papasfilms [I have a redmi note 7. That's the only phone that I have. I have been wanting to …], Yes, I did exactly this.  Unlocking is a little bit of a chore, in that you need to use the Mi unlocking software (Windows only) for this. Make sure you put the phone into developer mode first and make sure USB debugging and OEM unlock is
[22:20] <ubptgbot> enabled, prior to unlocking.  Then the UBports installer can do a good job for you.  As far as Redmi Note 7 on UT I found the following problems: phone calls had echo on receiver's end (although were clear on UT end), camera zoom was a tiny bit laggy, video recording froze at the first frame, and sometimes it took multiple swipes in order to quit a
[22:20] <ubptgbot> pps in the multi-task cardstack view.  Other than those issues it worked nicely with UT.  I flashed it back to Lineage 17.1 using TWRP with no problem.
 @TartanSpartan [Congrats! I remember finding that most of the Pebble-side apps didn't have much …], Rockwork doesn't offer all that many. But of course I immediately installed the compass. And it can give Telegram notifs, apparently.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Never mind then], dalton was gonna be like nuke time


[10:55] <powerman2206> So uh, why are there 2 Lubuntu websites?
[10:55] <powerman2206> One ends in .net and one in .me
[10:56] <kc2bez> Only lubuntu.me is official and run by the Lubuntu team.
[10:57] <powerman2206> So the .net one is fake?
[10:57] <kc2bez> It is a "fan" site
[10:57] <powerman2206> bruh
[10:58] <powerman2206> Now I see why my download didn't work, thanks
[10:58] <kc2bez> Sure.
[15:24] <finn> nm,


[01:59] <ahoneybun> the heck
[02:00] <ahoneybun> the lockscreen used the keyboard
[03:54]  * ahoneybun flashes LunaOS on his N4
[03:54] <ahoneybun> lol
[08:38] <ubik__> good morning, I need some help
[08:38] <ubik__> http://pastebin.com/Td7jYh83
[08:39] <ubik__> How can I align label horizontal centered
[08:39] <ubik__> but in bottom of image
[09:00] <t1mp> ubik__: anchors { bottom: circleImage2.bottom; horizontalCenter: circleImage2.horizontalCenter } in the Label.
[09:00] <t1mp> ubik__: see http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-item.html#anchors-prop
[09:01] <t1mp> ubik__: ^the first example there is probably what you wnat
[09:01] <t1mp> *want
[09:24] <ubik__> is it possible to use qt designer for designing ubuntu phone apps?
[09:25] <ubik__> I get error "error reading typinfo-files"
[09:25] <ubik__> when i click "Designer" in ubuntu-sdk
[09:25] <popey> yeah, i dont think the designer works
[09:25] <ubik__> ok
[09:28] <ubik__> still having problems with my app
[09:28] <ubik__> how can i center all objects
[09:29] <ubik__> to the middle of the screen
[09:29] <ubik__> vertical and horizontal?
[09:29] <ubik__> with my grid?
[09:30] <ubik__> I've got it horizontal centered
[09:30] <ubik__> but i need vertical also
[09:34] <ubik__> http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150818/qiufx8st.png
[09:34] <ubik__> something like this
[09:37] <ubik__> http://pastebin.com/43Fv9ptX
[09:37] <ubik__> my code
[09:42] <ubik__> http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=31e598-1439891706.png
[09:42] <ubik__> but it looks like this
[09:53] <kivi> hi all
[10:13] <dholbach> davidcalle, on https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1466519 do we still need to do anything?
[11:02] <davidcalle> dholbach, nope, we are good
[11:50] <nik90> zsombi: Hi
[11:50] <nik90> zsombi: I think I may be really late with this, but I *think* the swipe-delete width might become a release tracker for clock-app. Would you be able to install lp:ubuntu-clock-app on your phone and check for yourself if you can delete alarms consistently?
[11:55] <nik90> s/tracker/blocker
[12:01] <popey> nik90: is there a bug for it
[12:01] <popey> ?
[12:02] <nik90> popey: No, I just reported it over to zsombor a few days back. I will create one now.
[12:02] <popey> ok, thanks
[12:11] <nik90> popey, zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1486008
[12:18] <zsombi> nik90: hi
[12:18] <nik90> hey :)
[12:19] <zsombi> nik90: the sample in the bug is bad
[12:20] <nik90> zsombi: I copied a lot of its code from the SDK documentation like listitem.destroy() and so on. What's wrong in the code? May be that could fix clock-app's issue.
[12:20] <zsombi> nik90: or, let's say, you should never destroy a ListItem like that, unles you are using it like you did, outside of a ListView :)
[12:20] <nik90> zsombi: I never use listitem.destroy()...this is also the first time using a listitem outside a listview :)
[12:20] <zsombi> nik90: for instance in clock app, you shoudl delete the model from the index, not the list item!
[12:20] <zsombi> ok :)
[12:21] <nik90> I usually delete the data in the list model and that's what we do as well in clock.
[12:21] <zsombi> nik90: so, the space for the action is not enough you say?
[12:21] <nik90> zsombi: yes, as I previously mentioned, clicking on the delete button just hides the delete button. And I find it quite hard to delete it.
[12:22] <nik90> On the desktop I don't notice the issue..it just becomes prevalent on a N4.
[12:22] <zsombi> nik90: uhm.... if the panel gets hidden when you tap on it, it means you get the action also triggered...
[12:22] <zsombi> nik90: you don't have krillin...
[12:22] <nik90> zsombi: I do
[12:22] <nik90> have a krillin
[12:22] <zsombi> nik90: try on that one...
[12:23] <nik90> alrite, one sec
[12:23] <zsombi> nik90: you should have 1.2 on that
[12:23] <nik90> zsombi: actually my krillin is on stable OTAs..so it wouldn't have the latest SDK change you made to the width.
[12:23] <zsombi> nik90: hmm... you may not have the same width there unless you use devel-proposed...
[12:24] <zsombi> nik90: or rc-proposed
[12:24] <nik90> and its my daily phone ;)
[12:24] <nik90> zsombi: yeah for me the issue started only with rc-proposed channel, a few images back
[12:24] <zsombi> nik90: ok, so you probably should have that there too...
[12:25] <nik90> zsombi: ? not sure I follow. This issue is reproducible on a Nexus 4 running the rc-proposed images. I didnt test on krillin since it is my daily phone with the stable OTAs
[12:26] <nik90> somewhere around #95 image this issue started
[12:26] <zsombi> nik90: ok, so if you don't want to update, I'm fine :)
[12:26] <zsombi> nik90: I'll try with your sample...
[12:27] <nik90> zsombi: should it matter though? What's the difference between Nexus 4 and krillin w.r.t to the list item width?
[12:27] <zsombi> nik90: some things work differently in these HWs
[12:27] <nik90> ah ok
[12:27] <zsombi> so the touch for instance may also behave differently... you never now
[12:27] <zsombi> know
[12:28] <nik90> ack.
[12:29] <zsombi> nik90: ok, so the icon sizes are frozen 2GU, and to this I add 2*1.5GU margins, so all together the action width should be 5GU, that should be enough to aim the action
[12:29] <nik90> zsombi: Does one need to press on the icon or the whole action to trigger it?
[12:29] <zsombi> nik90:nope, the entire area is used for that
[12:30] <nik90> if it is the whole area, then that's definitely not happening on the Nexus 4. Or may it is triggering the action, but its get stolen by something else
[12:30] <zsombi> nik90: hmm, and Page doesn't have any Flickable...
[12:31] <nik90> yeah i tried to make the sample app as simple as possible. Were you able to reproduce this on your krillin?
[12:31] <zsombi> nik90: hat I noticed is that in case you tapon the action, and you move your finger slightly downwards in a Flickable, the flickable may close the action panel
[12:31] <zsombi> nik90: not yet, I am flashing that now
[12:32] <zsombi> I was also using it for feeding the dog :)
[12:32] <nik90> haha ;)
[12:34] <nik90> even if that true (the finger moving slightly downward triggering the closing of the action panel), it is way too sensitive considering I didnt hit this issue before the resizing of the action width.
[12:36] <zsombi> nik90: wth? my phone doesn't get detected over adb...
[12:36] <zsombi> nik90: I thought it is flashing
[12:37] <nik90> zsombi: hmm..developer mode enabled?
[12:37] <nik90> well considering you started flashingn, i suppose it was enabled
[12:37] <zsombi> nik90: I thought it did, but it doesn't
[12:38] <zsombi> it doesn't even list up in the USB.... perhaps my cable got broken...
[12:38] <nik90> could be
[12:39] <zsombi> f*** and I don't have any other cable with me.... DAMN
[13:03] <Guest40> zsombi Hey :-)
[13:12] <zsombi> jamiey: hello, so the prob seems to be that the size for the actions in ListItems is not enough on touch
[13:12] <zsombi> jamiey: nik90 just filed a new bug for that #1486008
[13:12] <zsombi> bug 1486008
[13:14] <zsombi> jamiey: so we need a new size... so far was teh same as the height of the ListItem, which in case the ListItem's heigth changed, it got adjusted as well, ending up having th etrailing actions occupying the entire ListItem area :)
[13:46] <Guest40> zsombi Cool - thanks for the heads up. I'll take a look at this bug
[16:21] <ahayzen> kenvandine, Hey, i'm trying to do content-hub export support for music, I want it so that another app can select import from Music. I've added source as music to the json and it appears in the list. But when you select the app i'm trying to work out what should then be called, would it be ContentHub.onExportRequested or something else?
[16:22] <kenvandine> yes
[16:22] <kenvandine> onExportRequested
[16:23] <kenvandine> so when you get that signal, get the transfer
[16:23] <ahayzen> kenvandine, should i need to set peers etc? or just load it with ContentItems ?
[16:23] <kenvandine> then provide the picking UI, and charge the transfer with the selected music, but you have to create a ContentItem for each song
[16:23] <kenvandine> just load the content items
[16:24] <ahayzen> ok thanks, i'll see how far i get :-)
[16:24] <kenvandine> activeTransfer.items = someListOfContentItems
[16:26] <kenvandine> ahayzen, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter/view/head:/hub-exporter.qml#L35
[16:27] <ahayzen> thanks :-)
[16:28] <kenvandine> ahayzen, also http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter/view/head:/hub-exporter.qml#L424
[16:28] <kenvandine> and also line 453 is where it listens for state changes
[16:28] <kenvandine> and calls __exportItems
[16:28] <ahayzen> :-) i have yet to see it hitting onExportRequested so i wonder if i'm missing something else
[16:28]  * ahayzen investigates
[16:29] <kenvandine> are you running it on the device?
[16:29] <kenvandine> and if not, are you sure the appId is set right?
[16:29] <ahayzen> on device
[16:29] <kenvandine> and installed as a click right?
[16:30] <ahayzen> yup via QtC
[16:30] <kenvandine> ok
[16:30] <kenvandine> to debug
[16:30] <ahayzen> it appears in the picker list to my hacked hub-importer
[16:30] <kenvandine> you could run the service in debug mode
[16:30] <kenvandine> killall content-hub-service && CONTENT_HUB_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 content-hub-service
[16:30] <kenvandine> on the device
[16:31] <kenvandine> actually i don't think killall is on the device, just kill the process :)
[16:31] <kenvandine> and restart your apps
[16:31] <kenvandine> that'll be very verbose
[16:31] <kenvandine> ahayzen, feel free to pastebin that and i can take a look
[16:31] <ahayzen> ok gimme a sec :-)
[16:33] <ahayzen> kenvandine, thats what happens http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119146/
[16:35] <kenvandine> ahayzen, and it is launching the music-app right?
[16:35] <ahayzen> yup
[16:35] <kenvandine> anything else logged after what you pasted?
[16:35] <kenvandine> looks like it's cut off
[16:36] <ahayzen> nope
[16:37] <ahayzen> maybe i need todo more in the music-app code before stuff will start working, i was just expecting it to hit my console.debug() line in the onExportRequested
[16:39] <kenvandine> well... i'm suspisious here
[16:39] <kenvandine> it sees the handler's active
[16:39] <kenvandine> oh... maybe that's all we expect until it gets the onExportRequested
[16:39] <NymeriaFr> mzanetti, are you here ?
[16:40] <kenvandine> ahayzen, can you pastebin your code where you listen for onExportRequested?
[16:40] <ahayzen> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119192/
[16:40] <ahayzen> L53
[16:42] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i was expecting it to hit the debug on L56 but i don't see that in my console :-/
[16:43] <kenvandine> ahayzen, yeah, i would too
[16:43] <kenvandine> com.ubuntu.music_music_2.2.latest
[16:43] <kenvandine> that's a valid version?
[16:43] <kenvandine> i guess it must be
[16:44] <ahayzen> hmm getting denials i think
[16:44] <kenvandine> ah ha!
[16:44] <ahayzen> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119220/
[16:44]  * kenvandine should always ask that first :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> content_exchange_source
[16:44] <ahayzen> that appid is what QtC makes
[16:44] <kenvandine> you need that policy
[16:44] <ahayzen> ooooo hah :-)
[16:45] <kenvandine> sorry i didn't catch that quicker
[16:45] <kenvandine> my mind was in another land :)
[16:45] <ahayzen> no worries i should have thought of that :-)
[16:48] <ahayzen> hmmm still getting Aug 18 17:48:08 ubuntu-phablet dbus[2059]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="session" path="/transfers/com_2eubuntu_2emusic_5fmusic_5f2_2e2_2elatest/export/4" interface="com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Transfer" member="State" mask="send" name="com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Service" pid=839 label="com.ubuntu.music_music_2.2.latest" peer_pid=30595 peer_label="unconfined"
[16:59] <nik90> ahayzen: hey, thnx for working on the contenthub-export source. When do you guys plan on releasing the next music-app update?
[17:06] <kenvandine> ahayzen, sometimes if the version doesn't change and the policy does, it doesn't seem to update the profile
[17:06] <kenvandine> ahayzen, reboot the device to be sure
[17:06] <ahayzen> kenvandine, okies i'll try that :-)
[17:06] <kenvandine> i think that updates the profiles again
[17:07] <ahayzen> nik90, not sure when we are planning on releasing will probably be in the next few weeks if something lands that is worth it
[17:07] <ahayzen> nik90, we've got the new listitems code waiting to land assuming the fixes land in ota6
[17:08] <mzanetti> NymeriaFr, hey
[17:08] <mzanetti> what up?
[17:11] <ahayzen> kenvandine, hmm i still get the denial :-/ and this is my apparmor http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119385/
[17:12] <kenvandine> that should be good
[17:12] <ahayzen> why does it say peer_label="unconfined"? apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="session" path="/transfers/com_2eubuntu_2emusic_5fmusic_5f2_2e2_2elatest/export/1" interface="com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Transfer" member="State" mask="send" name="com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Service" pid=6479 label="com.ubuntu.music_music_2.2.latest" peer_pid=6305 peer_label="unconfined"
[17:13] <nik90> ahayzen: ok, cool. I will also try to work on the custom alarms feature at that time. All I would need is music-app click which I can get from trunk and use that for testing.
[17:14] <ahayzen> nik90, when i get the MP up i'll ping you and you can test it from your end :-)
[17:14] <kenvandine> ahayzen, try this
[17:15] <kenvandine> grep content /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.music_music_2.2.latest
[17:15] <nik90> ahayzen: I will try to get my clock-app MP rdy by then :-). Let's sync up then for testing.
[17:15] <ahayzen> nik90, \o/
[17:15] <ahayzen> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119401/
[17:16] <kenvandine> ahayzen, actually, pastebin the whole file
[17:16] <ahayzen>  kenvandine http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119408/
[17:17] <kenvandine> ahayzen, ok, that doesn't look like it includes content_exchange_source
[17:18] <ahayzen> hmm
[17:18] <ahayzen> but its in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119385/
[17:18] <ahayzen> unless when you install via QtC something weird happens
[17:19]  * ahayzen tries to remember how to manually make the profiles again
[17:19] <kenvandine> yeah, well i've had problems when the version number wasn't bumped with it not updating the profile
[17:19] <kenvandine> you should have something like this
[17:19] <kenvandine>        interface=com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Transfer
[17:19] <kenvandine>        path=/transfers/@{APP_ID_DBUS}/export/*
[17:19] <kenvandine> in your profile
[17:20] <ahayzen> ah i see
[17:20] <ahayzen> L529 has something like that ?
[17:21] <kenvandine> that's import
[17:21] <kenvandine> you need an export one too
[17:21] <ahayzen> ah :-)
[17:21] <kenvandine> to be a source
[17:21] <kenvandine> that's what content_exchange_source gives you
[17:21] <kenvandine> so the profile didn't get refreshed
[17:23] <ahayzen> kenvandine, yey ok i installed using my alternate bzr rev linked method and it now comes up with transfer in progress :-)
[17:24] <kenvandine> woot
[17:24] <ahayzen> so looks like your right about the profile not being refreshed :-)
[17:24] <kenvandine> ahayzen, oh... music-app is showing the transfer hint?
[17:24] <kenvandine> you should not do that for exports
[17:25] <ahayzen> yeah thats probably because i just hijacked the import code :-)
[17:25] <ahayzen> but the fact it is doing *something* is progress, now to make the UI etc work :-)
[17:25] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:26] <kenvandine> don't use activeTransfer for the export
[17:26] <kenvandine> since the transfer hint is wired to that
[17:26] <kenvandine> add another
[17:26] <ahayzen> nope gonna split into active{Import,Export}Transfer
[17:26] <kenvandine> like curTransfer :)
[17:26] <kenvandine> ok
[17:26] <kenvandine> or that
[17:26] <kenvandine> cool, so you are unblocked :)
[17:26] <ahayzen> yup thanks for your help as always :-)
[17:26] <kenvandine> anytime!
[17:27] <NymeriaFr> mzanetti, I've try to use your application (atuhentificator)
[17:27] <NymeriaFr> i've an error with libs += -lv4l2
[17:28] <NymeriaFr> library is not found
[17:28] <NymeriaFr> mzanetti, any idea where the error could be located
[17:28] <NymeriaFr> ?
[18:07] <ahayzen> nik90, you would just want a single selection export right ?
[18:16] <nik90> ahayzen: yes I guess so
[18:17] <nik90> ahayzen: For initial implementation of the feature that would suffice
[18:20] <ahayzen> nik90, coolio i'll probably build a single and multi view anyway :-) just trying to figure out how it will look
[18:22] <ahayzen> nik90, we should probably try and do a content-hub import for the ringtone at the same time :-) or persuade someone to link up
[18:30] <nik90> ahayzen: that would be seb128 from system-settings app I suppose for the ringtone part. But yes, the next cool feature for OTA-7 ;)
[18:30] <ahayzen> :-)
[18:36] <popey> *70
[21:03] <ahayzen> kenvandine, after the app has completed the content-hub transfer would it normally close itself? As at the moment it appears to get sent the OOM or something ?
[21:04] <kenvandine> yes
[21:04] <kenvandine> it should quit
[21:04] <ahayzen> ok
[21:04] <kenvandine> via ubuntu-app-launch
[21:04] <kenvandine> only when the export is requested by another app
[21:04] <ahayzen> oh not by me?
[21:04] <kenvandine> if you initiate the export, like "open with" from within music-app
[21:04] <kenvandine> then it shouldn't quit
[21:04] <ahayzen> what happens at the moment is the app stops, but it is still in the spread
[21:04] <kenvandine> ah
[21:04] <ahayzen> i'm doing it via your hub-importer
[21:04] <kenvandine> that's a bug in the shell :)
[21:05] <kenvandine> ignore that
[21:05] <kenvandine> it's quit
[21:05] <kenvandine> but the spread is wrong
[21:05] <ahayzen> ok :-) .. so if they are playing music and then request an export it is going to stop playing music i guess
[21:05] <kenvandine> ah
[21:05] <ahayzen> slight side affect but can't really see an easy way around that
[21:05] <kenvandine> no, it'll only quit if it was started to complete the transfer
[21:05] <ahayzen> ooo
[21:05]  * ahayzen tries
[21:05] <kenvandine> otherwise it'll stay running
[21:07] <ahayzen> kenvandine, your correct :-) cool it all works \o/
[21:07] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:18] <ahayzen> nik90, if you want a branch to test against, I have this under review with Victor, https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/fix-1357324-content-hub-source
[21:18] <ahayzen> nik90, please comment on the MP if you find any issues :-)
[21:22] <nik90> ahayzen: thnx, I haven't started on my hub-importer, and considering this is pretty much like the 2nd time I'm dabbling with content-hub, I am bound to go slow :P
[21:23] <nik90> ahayzen: Was the documentation at developer.ubuntu.com sufficient for creating a content-hub import for you?
[21:51] <ahayzen> nik90, IIRC it was, you can copy/use our code as reference if you want its all in one file...
[21:52] <ahayzen> nik90, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/refactor/view/head:/app/components/Helpers/ContentHubHelper.qml other than the waits for mediascanner2 most of that should be self explanatory
[21:52] <nik90> ahayzen: thnx will take a look.
[21:53] <ahayzen> nik90, oh but we don't have a picker which you'll need...
[21:54] <ahayzen> nik90, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.index/ ...and look at the example here bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-importer/
[21:54] <ahayzen> (which i have a patched one todo music if you look at the MR)
[21:54] <nik90> ahayzen: isn't the picker UI shown by the exporter app?
[21:55] <ahayzen> if you were doing open with yes
[21:55] <ahayzen> but you'll be doing import from effectively ?
[21:55] <nik90> I don't much about content-hub to answer that question ;)
[21:55] <ahayzen> so you'll go to the clock select pick ringtone which then shows the picker and then starts music
[21:56] <ahayzen> hehe :-)
[21:56] <nik90> ahayzen: so in the alarm sound page, user will click "custom sound" button which should show the picker (with all apps exporting music) and then be directed to the exporter app.
[21:56] <ahayzen> nik90, if you try lp:~ahayzen/music-app/fix-1357324-content-hub-source and lp:~ahayzen/+junk/hub-importer-music-patches together you can see how that flow works (see the MR for intructions)
[21:56] <ahayzen> nik90, yup
[21:57] <nik90> so was that the picker you were referring to?
[21:57] <ahayzen> yeah thats the picker sorry should have said peer picker ;-)
[21:57] <nik90> ok I will try out your branches and some sample apps to wrap my head.
[21:58] <ahayzen> :-) let me know if you need any extra info
[21:58] <nik90> sure,  thnx for your help
[21:58] <ahayzen> no problem, it'll be great once it is done :-) been on my list for *ages*
[21:59] <nik90> so does the music-file get copied into clock app's directory?
[21:59] <nik90> and that new music-file path will be used to point to the alarm sound
[21:59] <ahayzen> into a /HubIncoming/ in the cache IIRC
[21:59] <ahayzen> and then you can do .move() to somewhere else you have write permission
[22:00] <ahayzen> and then yeah you can point media-hub/whatever at that path
[22:00] <nik90> ok
[22:00] <nik90> I need to make sure that when the user picks a new custom alarm sound, the old alarm sounds are deleted from the clock app folder
[22:01] <nik90> which might require me to do c++ plugin unless content-hub has a delete() function
[22:01] <ahayzen> nik90, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/refactor/view/head:/app/components/Helpers/ContentHubHelper.qml#L96 is where we do our move
[22:01] <ahayzen> how many custom sound(s) are you having?
[22:02] <ahayzen> if your only having 1 you could just always put into the same location ? and overwrite ?
[22:02] <ahayzen> assuming the move would work with that, which it may not
[22:02] <nik90> well I want to ensure there is always only 1 custom sound both in the folder and in the UI.
[22:03] <nik90> I will see what happens..I am probably overthinking this at the moment.
[22:03] <ahayzen> heh :-)
[23:17] <nik90> ahayzen: hey, should importer apps also have a separate content-hub.json file? Or is that needed only for exporter-apps?
[23:18] <ahayzen> nik90, you can put them in the same?
[23:18] <ahayzen> nik90, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/fix-1357324-content-hub-source/view/head:/music-app-content.json is what i've proposed for music
[23:18] <ahayzen> nik90, oh or do you mean do you even need it for your usecase ?
[23:19] <nik90> yeah I saw music-app-content.json...
[23:19] <nik90> yes ^^
[23:19] <nik90> as a importer app, do I need such a separate json file?
[23:19] <ahayzen> i think you would need it if you wanted to support "open with" which you probably don't
[23:19] <ahayzen> so you probably just need the apparmor
[23:20] <ahayzen> but kenvandine probably has a better answer :-)
[23:20] <nik90> right now, I was able to create a Peer Picker Page where it shows "FileManager" and "Music App". Somehow pressing the cancel button in that page does nothing.
[23:20] <ahayzen> nik90, as in open with from another application to yours
[23:20] <nik90> but I am getting started slowly
[23:20] <ahayzen> :-)
[23:20] <nik90> ah ok..yeah I don't want any other app to pick clock app as a destination I suppose
[23:21] <ahayzen> yeah i find things happen slowly and then suddenly it all comes together once you understand whats going on aha
[23:21] <nik90> ;)
[23:21] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah i think thats what it is for, try without it for now, just ensure you have the apparmor policy :-)
[23:21] <nik90> Yeah I updated the policy
[23:35] <nik90> ahayzen: I am going to read your backlog conversation with kenvandine since I got a apparmor denial as well :) ... and I made sure to add content_exchange policy. ;)
[23:35] <ahayzen> nik90, did you restart your device?
[23:35] <ahayzen> if you have the same rev number if doesn't refresh the policy
[23:35] <nik90> ahayzen: same rev number to the app already installed on the device?
[23:36] <ahayzen> eg if you've been using QtC which does version.latest
[23:36] <ahayzen> no like if you've already deployed an app with that version since a reboot it seems
[23:36] <nik90> well we adjusted our cmake files to create com.ubuntu.clock_clock_3.5.339
[23:36] <ahayzen> hehe
[23:36] <nik90> I guess it stays at 339 until I bump rev number
[23:37] <ahayzen> yeah i would try a reboot to be sure
[23:37] <nik90> so do I need to reboot after every launch on the device?
[23:37] <ahayzen> no once it has done it once then it stores the correct one :-)
[23:37] <nik90> ah ok
[23:37] <nik90> one more thing
[23:37] <nik90> in the music-hub-importer sample app that you gave, did you notice that the "cancel" button shown in the peer picker page does not work?
[23:38] <nik90> it is hidden behind the application toolbar
[23:38] <ahayzen> i think i did, but the back button from the edgy legacy toolbar did :-)
[23:38] <nik90> yeah exactly...it is just that users might press the cancel button instead of the header back button
[23:38] <ahayzen> yeah you should probably use a more updated UI
[23:39] <ahayzen> that is just a reference app for import/export Ken made that i've used for reference whenever i do content-hub stuff :-)
[23:39] <nik90> I am just wondering how to hide that cancel button or make it work
[23:39] <nik90> cancelling should do something
[23:39] <ahayzen> nik90, eg the Telegram app doesn't suffer that issue IIRC ?
[23:40]  * nik90 checks
[23:41] <nik90> I'm restarting device since telegram is malfunctioning and unity8 edge gestures dont work.
[23:41] <nik90> also noticed I imported content hub 0.1 instead of 1.1
[23:41] <nik90> that could be it (hopefully(
[23:41] <ahayzen> ah maybe
[23:42]  * ahayzen checks what version he used
[23:42] <ahayzen> 1.1 :-)
[23:42] <nik90> Ofc u did...u r Mr.Perfect :-)
[23:43] <ahayzen> heh i have a checklist of things to check ;-)
[23:43] <nik90> haha
[23:44] <nik90> YES! 1.1 removes the cancel button :P
[23:44] <ahayzen> win! \o/