[08:25] <TheClone2045> hey hi guyz..
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <gnuoy> o/
[16:02] <smb>  /o\
[16:02] <coreycb> o/
[16:03] <beisner> o/
[16:04] <arges> o/
[16:04] <caribou> o/
[16:04] <sforshee> o/
[16:05] <smoser> oh well, i'll do this.
[16:05] <smoser> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  9 16:05:28 2014 UTC.  The chair is smoser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:05] <jamespage> o/
[16:05] <smoser> welcome everyone to the UbuntuServerTeam meeting
[16:05] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:05] <smoser> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:06] <smoser> matsubara to chase someone that can update release bugs report
[16:06] <smoser> hm..
[16:07] <smoser> must just be empty ?
[16:07] <smoser> is that possible ?
[16:07] <smoser> or still broken
[16:07] <smoser> the bug is marked fixed release
[16:07] <smoser> but http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/ showszero length 'rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html'
[16:07] <kickinz1> o/
[16:07] <matsubara> smoser, that's fixed
[16:08] <smoser> matsubara, but its empty.
[16:08] <smoser> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[16:08] <matsubara> smoser, hmm last week when I looked at that report there was some content.
[16:08] <smoser> could you dig a bit again ?
[16:09] <matsubara> smoser, yep, keep the action please
[16:09] <smoser> ACTION: matsubara re-check on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:09] <smoser> #ACTION: matsubara re-check on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: : matsubara re-check on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:09] <smoser> #topic Vivid Development
[16:10] <smoser> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:10] <smoser> alpha-1 is coming up.
[16:10] <smoser> decemer 18.
[16:10] <smoser> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:10] <smoser> we'll skip that given action above
[16:10] <smoser> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:11] <smoser> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-server.html
[16:12] <smoser> please do take a look at the things you're expecting to do for vivid and make sure they're covered in blueprints
[16:12] <smoser> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:12] <caribou> smoser: nothing outstanding to say this week
[16:12] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:13] <psivaa_> smoser: nothing from here for this week too
[16:13] <psivaa_> smoser: would help if you could find someone on QA team for this meeting :), i am not working in the QA team anymoer
[16:13] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:13] <smb> Not from my side. arges, sforshee?
[16:13] <arges> nope
[16:14] <smoser> psivaa_, ok. thanks.
[16:14] <smoser> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:14] <smoser> anyoen have anythign here ?
[16:15] <beisner> psivaa_, smoser - i'll work on finding our new qa team rep.
[16:15] <beisner> thanks psivaa_ !
[16:16] <psivaa_> beisner: thank you
[16:16] <smoser> beisner, thank you
[16:16] <smoser> #topic Open Discussion
[16:16] <smoser> anything
[16:17] <coreycb> zul likes turtles
[16:18] <kickinz1> snappy released!
[16:18] <zul> indeed
[16:18] <kickinz1> ubuntu.com/snappy
[16:18] <coreycb> kickinz1, nice!
[16:18] <smoser> yeah, thanks kickinz1 . thanks to all who worked on that.
[16:18] <smoser> gaughen, and kickinz1 made a lot of effort to pull this together
[16:18] <kickinz1> yes, lot of people need to go to bed now... ;)
[16:19] <smoser> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:19] <smoser> next meeting is Tuesday 2014-12-16 at 1600 UTC
[16:19] <smoser> and kickinz1 will lead for us
[16:19] <gaughen> kickinz1, and smoser - you both did. ROCKIN WORK GUYS!!!!@!!!!!!!!
[16:19] <smoser> #endmeeting
[16:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec  9 16:19:44 2014 UTC.
[16:19] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-09-16.05.moin.txt
[16:19] <kickinz1> will be on vacation, and I'm not dodging this, I promise!
[16:19] <gnuoy> ta smoser
[16:20] <gaughen> kickinz1, I'm on to you
[16:20] <kickinz1> thanks a lot smoser.
[16:20] <caribou> thanks smoser
[16:20] <gaughen> thanks smoser!!!
[16:28] <teward> tew5132AlphaOmicron@2012!
[16:28] <teward> ooops
[16:29] <teward> sorry that's a random string :/
[16:29]  * teward kicks his computer for lagging and copying things into wrong windows
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  9 17:00:08 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Vivid
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <bjf> \o
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <chiluk> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Vivid Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <smb> o/
[17:01] <ogasawara> yeeeek!
[17:01] <ogasawara> 2 secs
[17:01] <ogasawara> The master-next branch of our Vivid kernel has been rebased to the
[17:01] <ogasawara> final v3.18 upstream kernel.  We have pushed uploads to our team's PPA
[17:01] <ogasawara> for preliminary testing.  We'll likely upload to the official archive
[17:01] <ogasawara> soon.
[17:01] <ogasawara> -----
[17:01] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Dec 18 - Vivid Alpha 1 (~1 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Jan 22 - Vivid Alpha 2 (~6 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Fri Jan 9 - 14.04.2 Kernel Freeze (~4 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 5 - 14.04.2 Point Release (~8 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Utopic/Trusty/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:02] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:02] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   * Precise - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   *  Utopic - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:02] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> cycle: 21-Nov through 13-Dec
[17:03] <bjf> [17:03] <bjf>          21-Nov   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:03] <bjf> 23-Nov - 29-Nov   Kernel prep week.
[17:03] <bjf> 30-Nov - 13-Dec   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:03] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec  9 17:03:57 2014 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-09-17.00.moin.txt


[11:11] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:29] <cmaloney> Or afternoon, depending on your timezone. ;)
[12:25] <rick_h__> just had lunch yay
[12:56] <cmaloney> Figured as much
[14:25] <cmaloney> Well this has been entertaining
[14:25] <cmaloney> co-worker's machine is having trouble booting.
[14:33] <brousch> Have you tried turning it ... oh, wait, nevermind
[14:36] <waf> the best way to fix that is to pour orange juice into the fan vents.
[14:36] <waf> (pulp-free orange juice, obviously)
[14:37] <rick_h__> lol
[14:37] <cmaloney> waf: I think the vending machine has some. Let me check
[14:38] <cmaloney> I mean it works for curing colds so it might fix this virus.
[14:38] <waf> cmaloney gets it
[14:39] <brousch> rick_h__: Did you see your minions were looking for you on #bookie?
[14:39] <cmaloney> What's even better is I ran Spinrite on it and it gave me a divide by zero error
[14:39] <cmaloney> so I get to file a bug report with Steve Gibson
[14:41] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, I'm a bad mentor
[14:41] <brousch> Hah, you're about 100x better than I am
[14:42] <cmaloney> rick_h__: I think you have a pretty solid excuse
[14:42] <brousch> I figured your reminders might not have synced well to your new time zone
[14:42] <cmaloney> "Sorry, I woke up British"
[18:17] <cmaloney> How's the afternoon so far?
[22:16] <rick_h__> evening
[22:16] <rick_h__> party party
[22:54] <gamerchick02> party party
[22:54] <gamerchick02> had a beer with dinner. leftover pizza and beer for my birthday dinner woo
[22:54] <gamerchick02> how's you, rick_h__?
[22:55] <greg-g> sounds great
[22:55] <greg-g> I'm drinking ginger kombucha, which is great actually (a local brewer)
[22:55] <greg-g> it's on tap at a bar I was at last night, which is awesome
[22:55] <gamerchick02> also ya'll be happy that i switched back to my ducky zero with blacks. forgot how sweet it was. i do love the brown switches in my max, however
[22:55] <gamerchick02> sweet, greg-g
[23:10] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: That's awesome
[23:10] <gamerchick02> let's see, i've used blues, reds, browns, and blacks
[23:10] <greg-g> taste the rainbow
[23:11] <gamerchick02> reds are at work. blacks currently being used, and the browns are sitting on my shelf. blues are in the closet... still looking for a buyer for the razer board and mouse
[23:11] <gamerchick02> love the rainbow
[23:11] <gamerchick02> tis the spice of life!
[23:11] <gamerchick02> :)
[23:16] <brousch> Prius is in the driveway
[23:17] <brousch> Got 70mpg on the ride home
[23:17] <cmaloney> brousch: Get a baseball bat and play whack-a-hippie
[23:17] <cmaloney> Oh, it's yours?
[23:17] <cmaloney> Awkward.
[23:17] <brousch> :P
[23:19] <cmaloney> http://youtu.be/xd4UCMKicE4?list=UUSh2BOi2JjyLx36nJKXwi1g
[23:19] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/lNlk8D - SINCERITY - Ambiguity - The Authority 9.23.14 - We Are Triumphant - YouTube
[23:21] <gamerchick02> hee
[23:27] <gamerchick02> i'd love to have a plugin hybrid but the cord won't reach to my apartment.


[21:55] <cyphermox> bonsoir groupe
[22:23] <Chex> cyphermox: allo
[22:23] <Chex> cyphermox: ah, tu est depart.  bonsoir!
[22:23] <cyphermox> hey Chex
[22:23] <Chex> hey man
[22:23] <Chex> hows things in the Plateau ?
[22:24] <cyphermox> dunno, I'm often working from home
[22:24] <cyphermox> I'm lazy to get up and get to the office, when I can just get up and start working
[22:24] <Chex> ah heh, yeah..
[22:24] <Chex> spoken like a true coder ;)
[22:24] <cyphermox> ar
[22:25] <cyphermox> and this week I was hacking on the kernel, something that's better done in isolation I guess
[22:25] <Chex> hah
[22:25] <Chex> quiet dark room, soothing lights
[22:25] <cyphermox> haha
[22:25] <Chex> otherwise the machine code will jump out and bite you on the nose
[22:26] <cyphermox> oh, it does anyway
[22:26] <Chex> haah


[00:03] <teward> later.
[00:04] <teward> E:IsTired and E:IsTakingDayOff
[00:32] <Eickmeyer> teward: No worries.
[00:32] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I know why I didn't touch it. Ross updated it in Debian and it sync'd. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexter
[00:33] <Eickmeyer> I had updated it in Fedora and it works there.
[00:33] <Eickmeyer> So, something isn't right.
[00:37] <OvenWerks> Actually hexter does not show up as a plugin in Carla
[00:37] <OvenWerks> Maybe it is just the desktop file is still in there
[00:38] <Eickmeyer> Interestingly enough, the desktop file was the part that Ross supposedly fixed. :P
[00:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: as I recall we added a desktop file as part of our default-settings?
[00:39]  * Eickmeyer is looking
[00:40] <Eickmeyer> Nope, that hdspmixer.desktop
[00:40] <OvenWerks> There is no hexter in /usr/bin/ or /usr/lib/dssi/
[00:40] <Eickmeyer> No. The icon launches jack-dssi. That might be what's going wrong.
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> teward: No worries.], yeah i've got a few things ahead of this
 including a total redesign of the nginx packaging
 so I mean
 :P
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> yikes. I don't envy that.
 yeah well i already have it prototyped
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It launches jack-dssi-host. I think that's what is buggy. Maybe it doesn't exist?
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> Nope, it exists.
[00:43] <OvenWerks> it is hexter that doesn't exist
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: it's in /usr/lib/x86_674-linux-gnu/dssi/hexter
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> Seems as though it's not being called correctly.
[00:45] <OvenWerks> that is not a valid dssi directory
[00:46] <OvenWerks> it is the same as all other plugins, there should be arch in the path name
[00:51] <OvenWerks> I can get Carla to load it... after linking it to /usr/lib/dssi
[00:51] <OvenWerks> but no gui
[01:34] <Eickmeyer> I got it working on Fedora, so I don't know what's different there.
[04:29] <OvenWerks> dexed is still actively developed, but it not clear to me what it puts out... https://github.com/asb2m10/dexed
[04:42] <OvenWerks> There are two file Dexed and Dexed.so. Running Dexed gives a jack client but Dexed.so I have no idea. It seems no matter where in the path I put it Carla does not see it as a plugin (I suspect vst3)
[04:48] <OvenWerks> Oh wonderful, I just discovered that the hexters I tried to start... are still running, just no gui to control them.
[04:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: now that I have played with Dexed for more than 2 minutes... I realize it is pretty much no use.
[04:55] <Eickmeyer> That's what I ran into when trying to build it for Fedora.
[04:56] <OvenWerks> I can run it, I can get sound out from it... but I can not see it as a jack client. It shows up in pulse.
[04:56] <Eickmeyer> Weird.
[04:58] <OvenWerks> also while it does have a setting to put midi out rather than audio... there appears no way to send midi in so I am guessing it is using raw midi and possibly blocking midi from jack... or maybe not getting midi in because a2jmidid already has it.
[04:59] <OvenWerks> It does look for the vst3 sdk headers but does not seem to put out a vst3 (or does our version of Carla not deal with those yet?)
[05:00] <Eickmeyer> So, Steinberg were jerks about this and made vst3 non-redistributable or something like that.
[05:00] <OvenWerks> I just found the "options" button
[05:02] <OvenWerks> I can get a jack client
[05:04] <OvenWerks> It can be made to work :/
[05:05] <Eickmeyer> I should probably explore it more then.
[05:05] <OvenWerks> Dexed will take in either a hw midi port or MIDI through
[05:06] <OvenWerks> so I can set jackkeyboard to midi through in a2jmidid and set Dexed to midi through as a midi input and jack keyboard will play Dexed
[05:07] <Eickmeyer> That sounds overcomplicated.
[05:08] <OvenWerks> Dexed provides it's own theme... and it's own title bar
[05:08] <OvenWerks>  which is where the Options button is.
[05:09] <OvenWerks> It is over complicated. It does have Falktx' fingerprint on it at some point... probably to make work in Linux at all
[05:09] <OvenWerks> Perhaps when Carla does vst3, Dexed will work as a plugin
[05:10] <OvenWerks> (like maybe Falktx will make lxvst3 work)
[05:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Dexed has a lot of commits since the last release. It may become worth while in the future.
[05:22] <Eickmeyer> I noticed that too. Worth keeping an eye on.
[06:01] <OvenWerks> hexter_gtk -test fails even.
[16:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: just for reference sake. It is possible to save a bit of screen space with Ardour 5.12 by detaching both the editor and the mixer. The main window can then be shrunk to just the transport bar size and both the editor and mixer will also be smaller
[16:10] <OvenWerks> Of course the down side is that you now have three windows to place instead of two :)
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Never done that, but good to know.
[16:12] <OvenWerks> in Ardour 6 the mani window can be shurnk whatever is attached, but detached mixer windows are actually limited to a larger size than 5.12
[17:54] <StevenJayCohen> OvenWerks: when you have a chance, could I send you a description of my Reaper workflow to see if you think it would be easily adapted to Ardour?
[20:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: does the plasma seed pull in the generic kernel?
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> It shouldn't. The problem we're having (in groovy) was a conflict with appmenu-gtk3-module. In Focal? Nothing should've changed.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> I suspect something in livecd-rootfs went haywire and the release team is looking at it (RE: generic kernel)
[20:21] <OvenWerks> I thought the focal iso was released, why are we still building it?
[20:21] <OvenWerks>  I thought the next build would be .1
[20:22] <OvenWerks> (or close like beta)
[20:32] <housecat> LTS releases that still have upcoming point releases still get daily ISOs
[20:32] <housecat> for much the same reason that unreleased versions get them
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> ^
[22:11] <OvenWerks> right ... so they can fail, before the beta


[00:06] <RagnarokAngel> ah
[00:06] <RagnarokAngel> thanks
[00:07] <wrst> ha you thought I had discovered something
[00:21] <RagnarokAngel> or were just maniacal
[00:29] <wrst> that could be... you believed my first story so I'm sticking with it
[00:33] <RagnarokAngel> so this playstation 4 is going to be an x86_64 with an eight core APU
[00:34] <RagnarokAngel> why does it come with a controller instead of a keyboard?
[00:36] <chris4585> because it is a console
[00:37] <RagnarokAngel> barely
[00:37] <chris4585> well its sony's way of saying we were stupid when they went with cell
[00:37] <RagnarokAngel> definitely right there
[00:37] <RagnarokAngel> How much are these expected to cost?
[00:38] <chris4585> not to mention 8gbs of gddr5 ram
[00:38] <chris4585> they haven't said, but most people are assuming $350 - $450
[00:38] <RagnarokAngel> is there anything comparable at that price range for that much processing power?
[00:40] <chris4585> eh, well the cpu with it is clocked at like 1.6ghz per core or something similar to that, but they will have 8gbs of gddr5 ram I believe
[00:42] <RagnarokAngel> yeah, wikipedia says the same about 8gbs of gddr5
[00:45]  * RagnarokAngel noticed his clockspeed is 1.73ghz for 2 cores.
[00:56] <chris4585> 3.4ghz quadcore here
[00:56] <chris4585> eventually I'm looking at that fx 8350 8core :)
[00:56] <Unit193> Mind compiling something for me then?  OOMKiller just took out the compile. :P
[00:57] <chris4585> lol
[00:57] <chris4585> Unit193, 86_64?
[00:57] <chris4585> I could if you really wanted
[00:58] <Unit193> That's what I just tried, but ideally i386.  I've got a pentium D that has enough ram/swap, just takes a while (and failed last time. :P )
[00:58] <Unit193> chris4585: Kidding, but thanks a lot!
[00:58] <chris4585> ah, I have plenty of ram too, lol I rarely get 45% of my 16gbs :<
[00:59] <RagnarokAngel> I'm getting myself a new computer for christmas
[01:00] <chris4585> oh nice
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> because I'd like to have a problem not being able to use all my ram.
[01:00] <chris4585> lol
[01:00] <chris4585> its a nice problem to have
[01:01] <chris4585> ram is pretty cheap these days, for 16gbs of ram you can get for $70 - $80
[01:01] <Unit193> But the RAM being the best thing in the computer isn't the best feeling. :P
[01:01] <chris4585> lol true
[01:01] <RagnarokAngel> if it wasn't for the ssd that I put in this ageing laptop I wouldn't be able to keep using it
[01:02] <chris4585> ah, I'm looking to buy an SSD eventually, I just got my job so it wont be too long now
[01:03] <RagnarokAngel> even on this old hardware I boot up to login in under 3 seconds
[01:03] <RagnarokAngel> well
[01:03] <RagnarokAngel> I should actually time that and not throw numbers around
[01:04] <chris4585> nice, I kind of did a cheap upgrade, for $24 I bought a 16gb usb3 flash drive for my root partition, and I boot up rather quickly and everything loads, etc.. it takes maybe 3 seconds to shutdown
[01:04] <chris4585> with that setup I think it takes maybe 15 - 20 seconds to boot, but that includes my bios
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> my friend had a fast boot bios and I was always impressed with his SSD boot times
[01:08] <chris4585> yeah those are nice
[01:09] <chris4585> but mine is fast enough right now I don't mind, my computer is already on by the time I put on socks and shirt in the morning and off by the time I stand up at night to unplug it
[01:09] <chris4585> good enough for me lol
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[02:16]  * cyberanger has a clockspeed of 4.0 Ghz for 8 cores
[02:16] <cyberanger> and 32GB of DDR3 RAM
[02:16] <cyberanger> something tells me when I do get my GPU, I'll still have a PS4 killer
[02:17] <cyberanger> oh, and I do wind up using 75% of that 32GB
[02:25] <chris4585> lol
[02:25] <chris4585> nice
[02:26] <chris4585> cyberanger, I ended up buying a gtx 660 ftw signature edition from EGVA
[02:26] <chris4585> its a killer and does exactly what I wanted
[02:27] <cyberanger> nice, I'm thinking lower end, but with a ton of outputs
[02:27] <cyberanger> like AMD/ATI's Eyefiniti series
[02:33] <chris4585> ah
[02:33] <chris4585> well 7850 is relatively cheap
[02:33] <chris4585> for the bang
[02:34] <cyberanger> I kinda want to grab six monitors, set them up in 2x3 grid
[02:35] <cyberanger> top three are displays, one on the left, network traffic, one on the right processes, middle tied to a camera or six
[02:35] <cyberanger> bottom three for work
[02:41] <chris4585> o.O
[03:06] <cyberanger> chris4585: questions or just a "I'm Crazy" look?
[03:07] <chris4585> just a lot of monitors
[03:07] <chris4585> I only like one monitor
[03:07] <cyberanger> well, typically so do I, but this is gonna be for managing enough servers, the real estate is worth it
[03:11] <cyberanger> I think it's wound up to be 20 servers now
[03:14] <chris4585> ah
[22:23] <wrst> hello chris4585
[22:23]  * wrst says hello an hour late
[22:24] <chris4585> wrst, hi
[22:26] <wrst> having a good Saturday chris4585 ?
[22:29] <chris4585> its saturday?
[22:29] <chris4585> lol what
[22:29] <chris4585> doesn't feel like it
[22:29] <chris4585> I guess so, worked today, am tired now
[22:51] <chris4585> wrst, you?
[23:34] <wrst> chris4585: i was waiting on chinese, now home, have eaten so i'm fat and happy :)
[23:35] <chris4585> lol
[23:35] <chris4585> sounds good
[23:35] <chris4585> haven't had chinese in a long time


[06:10] <BrightAmbition> hello
[06:11] <philipballew> BrightAmbition, hello!
[06:11] <BrightAmbition> :)
[06:15] <philipballew> have any of you heard of the new social network google launched today?
[06:15] <sn9> google+
[06:16] <sn9> i think
[06:16] <philipballew> google circles is what i saw. a friend i have works for google and showed me
[06:17] <philipballew> it controls friend lists better then facebook apparently
[06:18] <sn9> they renamed it already?
[06:21] <philipballew> I believe its google+ but its main feature is circles. the Google employee referred to google circles. However it is still in beta, but what does that mean for google anyway...
[20:30] <Scunizi> good morning all.. it's been a while since I logged on...
[21:28] <jledbetter> Scunizi, Howdy
[22:26] <nhaines> Scunizi: long time no see.  :)
[22:27] <Scunizi> nhaines, yep.. been busy working or I should say.. trying to make some money..
[22:27] <nhaines> Scunizi: busy, busy here too.  I hope you have some nice plans for 4th of July at least.!
[22:29] <Scunizi> nhaines, got a few people coming over and we'll walk to the HighSchool where there's stuff for the kids, corn on the cob and fireworks!  Should be fun and relaxing.
[22:29] <Scunizi> nhaines, how 'bout you.. any plans?
[22:30] <nhaines> Sounds good!  Not hard plans here.  Probably just spend time with family.  We always seem to have an excuse to barbecue.  :)
[22:30] <Scunizi> I swear.. when it gets warm the BBQ is the only thing we cook on. Veggies, meat etc.. MMmmm
[22:32] <nhaines> Yeah, barbecued vegetables are the best.
[22:32] <Scunizi> ever try eggplant on the bbq?
[22:32] <nhaines> No, I'm definitely not an eggplant fan.
[22:33] <Scunizi> I'm not normally either.. cut wheels about 1/4 to 1/2 " and coat with olive oil and maybe a little salt.. pretty good.
[22:33] <nhaines> Hmm, I'll have to try it then.  It's always important to keep trying new things.  :)
[22:34] <Scunizi> are you using gwibber anyplace?
[22:34] <Scunizi> seems that you're restricted to 140 characters even when posting to FB..
[22:34] <nhaines> Yes, I use Gwibber on Twitter, identi.ca, and Facebook.
[22:35] <nhaines> But I don't remember it being restricted to 140.  I think 280 is the Facebook limit for updates, though?
[22:36] <Scunizi> Yes.. I know it's longer on FB.. maybe I'm just looking at the decreasing character count and expect it to stop at 0 when posting on FB.. I havent tried to go negative.
[22:37] <Scunizi> Can you create a list on Twitter using gwibber
[22:37] <nhaines> Ah, yes, you can keep going after the 140 character limit.
[22:38] <nhaines> Not sure about lists and Twitter, though.  I don't use social media often.


[00:01] <abadger1999> Does Robert Collins hang out here?
[00:01]  * abadger1999 not sure which time zone he'd be in either.
[00:02] <bob2> yes, and gmt+12 or something equally ridiculous
[00:03] <bob2> lifeless, ^
[00:06] <lifeless> abadger1999: ola
[00:06] <abadger1999> ola
[00:06] <lifeless> toshio ?
[00:06] <abadger1999> I'm Toshio
[00:06] <abadger1999> Yep
[00:06] <lifeless> cool :)
[00:07] <abadger1999> Do you release loggerhead with python setup.py sdist?
[00:07] <abadger1999> If so, I've got some additions to MANIFEST.in and some questions :-)
[00:09] <lifeless> abadger1999: I think I do; sure - shoot
[00:11] <abadger1999> lifeless: Cool. Do you want the loggerhead/tests directory in the installed plugin?
[00:11] <lifeless> don't really care
[00:11] <abadger1999> lifeless: Okay.
[00:11] <lifeless> if it works without it there is no particular reason to include it

[00:11] <lifeless> I think the sdist should include it
[00:11] <abadger1999> bzr selftests can access it
[00:11] <abadger1999> So I wasn't sure whether to install it or not
[00:12] <lifeless> I think the sdist needs to include it so that folk doing their own installs can validate etc
[00:12] <lifeless> but for an installed package, that sort of variation is eliminated
[00:13] <lifeless> if that makes sense?
[00:13] <abadger1999> Yeah.  just a choice of whrether to put it in MANIFEST.in or in setup.py's packages=[]
[00:13] <abadger1999> Sounds good.  I'll put it in MANIFEST.in then
[00:13] <abadger1999> Other two directories I wasn't sure of were loggerhead/middleware and load_test_scripts
[00:14] <lifeless> hmm, lets see
[00:14] <abadger1999> middleware has a profile middlewware in it that loggerhead seems to use if a config option is set to do profiling.
[00:15] <lifeless> yeah, that should be included
[00:15] <lifeless> we should break that out to a separate package, let other folk reuse it

[00:15] <lifeless> and then depend on it, but that is for later
[00:18] <abadger1999> The stuff in load_test_scripts not sure if that needs to be included at all?
[00:18] <lifeless> yeah
[00:18] <lifeless> leave it out I suspect
[00:18] <lifeless> bbs, baby needs me
[00:19] <lifeless> actually still here
[00:19] <lifeless> but in 10 I may not be :P
[00:20] <abadger1999> Okay :-)
[00:20] <abadger1999> I'll push a branch for this and propose for merging.
[00:20] <lifeless> thanks!
[00:20] <abadger1999> de nada :-)
[00:22] <mgedmin> oh, cool, a yet another wsgi profiler middleware?
[00:23] <lifeless> of course
[01:14] <poolie> hi all
[02:22] <jvargas> hi
[02:22] <jvargas> when I run a script which perfoms several bzr commands, and then I press ^C, the full script doesn't stop, just the current bzr command being run.
[02:23] <jvargas> Is there a way to tell bzr not to handle by itself ^C and let it die? Would that be transaction safe?
[02:28] <abadger1999> lifeless: Just letting you know, with the changes in the lp:~toshio/loggerhead/sdist-post-1.8.1 branch, I have a working loggerhead package.  (tested with bzr-2.4.2)
[02:28] <lifeless> abadger1999: cool
[02:28] <lifeless> abadger1999: I won't get to your branch today, but will soon
[02:28] <lifeless> jvargas: 'set -e' in your shell script
[02:28] <abadger1999> Cool
[02:29] <lifeless> jvargas: its not a bzr issue, its your script
[02:30] <jvargas> thank lifeless! just wondered if that behaviour was parametrized.
[02:33] <lifeless> jvargas: its totally outside bzr's control
[02:34] <lifeless> the ctrl-c is received by the shell running the script, and passed onto the current subcommand (bzr in this case) and then it decides based on the subcommand exit code, and the setting of -e (or +e which is the default) whether to continue or not
[02:37] <jvargas> okay
[02:46] <mlh> <3 set -e
[07:17] <vila> hi all !
[07:18] <poolie> hi there vila
[08:37] <malfyz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbuXK1pWD-M LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[09:25] <mgz> morning
[09:31] <poolie> hi mgz, jelmer
[09:31] <mgz> hey poolie
[09:31] <LarstiQ> morning mgz, poolie
[09:31] <LarstiQ> hmm, how do I link an upstream bug again?
[09:33] <mgz> LarstiQ: two ways, one do "Also affects project" then do the project name, then add the upstream bug url
[09:34] <poolie> hi there larstiq
[09:34] <mgz> that should be what you want for pypy
[09:35] <LarstiQ> mgz: cheers!
[09:35] <vila> heya mgz
[09:35] <vila> hey LarstiQ, it's good to see you around ;)
[09:35] <LarstiQ> hey vila :)
[09:36] <LarstiQ> vila: anything to avoid spackling more walls ;)
[09:36] <vila> ha ha ha
[09:39] <LarstiQ> mgz: I must admit that I didn't quite grasp what the problem on win32 was, so haven't filed a bugg about that yet
[09:40] <mgz> LarstiQ: the bug you filed sort of covers it anyway, except the implementation in pypy would need to be different
[09:40] <LarstiQ> right
[10:43] <mgz> jelmer: just seeing bug mail on a loom change, are there any other plugins I need to double check I have the latest version of when I do the installer?
[10:56] <jelmer> mgz: I'm not sure
[10:57] <jelmer> we should have a more structural way of testing the plugins
[10:57] <mgz> jelmer: that was as in, "ones you remember touching to fix colo things" rather than please give me an exhastive list
[10:57] <jelmer> mgz: ah
[10:57] <jelmer> mgz: the foreign ones, but I'd guess you already have those
[10:58] <mgz> but yeah, just running the plugin tests and being confident that means they're okay would be nice
[10:58] <jelmer> for loom at least, the tests broke because of the bzr core change
[10:59] <mgz> have subvertpy 0.8.9; bzr-svn 1.1.2; dulwich 0.8.2; bzr-git 0.6.6
[11:01] <mgz> more things are just tip than I remembered, so should generally be fine
[11:04] <jelmer> cool
[11:55] <ccxCZ> bzr pull forkbomb! it spawned ~400 children when pulling from svn
[11:56] <jelmer> ccxCZ: huh? It shouldn't create any child processes at all
[11:56] <jelmer> ccxCZ: what kind of processes were they?
[11:59] <ccxCZ> bzr pull ...
[11:59] <ccxCZ> seemed it just forked zillion times, but not exec'd
[12:01] <ccxCZ> http://wpr.cz/ccx/bzrpull.png
[12:02] <jelmer> is that actual processes, or could it also be threads?
[12:02] <ccxCZ> you can see the PIDs
[12:03] <jelmer> ccxCZ: sorry, I would have no idea what's going on - we don't fork as far as I know
[12:03] <ccxCZ> ah sorry they *might* be threads
[12:04] <jelmer> ccxCZ: ah, ok - that could be the case if you have 'use-cache = False' set
[12:04] <ccxCZ> they probably are, didn't know threads use up PIDs too
[12:06] <jelmer> ccxCZ: do you have 'use-cache = False' set?
[12:07] <ccxCZ> doesn't seem so
[12:08] <ccxCZ> load >200 :D
[12:09] <ccxCZ> no such setting in ~/.bazaar
[12:09] <ccxCZ> I just grepped
[12:52] <jelmer> ccxCZ: hmm, that's odd
[12:52] <jelmer> mgz: are you looking at bug 921484 ?
[13:22] <vila> mgz: ping
[13:24] <mgz> pong
[13:24] <vila> what's the status for 2.5b6 windows installers ?
[13:25] <mgz> unstarted.
[13:25] <vila> :-/
[13:26] <mgz> I probably have some time this evening
[13:26] <mgz> but really want to release with some bzr-explorer changes
[13:28] <mgz> jelmer: see the update to that bug in my mail now
[13:28] <mgz> *I have just seen
[13:32] <vila> jelmer: did you upload 2.5b6 to debian ?
[13:32] <jelmer> vila: yep
[13:32] <jelmer> not to precise yet
[13:32] <vila> ok, cool, thanks !
[13:38] <jelmer> vila: ubuntu done too
[13:54] <mgz> okay, that bzr bug is a little fun, I'll update so current state is clear
[14:27] <pmezard> hello, I have seen people using "init-repo --no-trees" to create repository within existing treeless repositories (see http://paste.pocoo.org/show/547792/ ). Is it legit?
[14:30] <jelmer> pmezard: yes, that should be valid
[14:30] <pmezard> How does it compare to regular branching? Do you know documentation about this?
[14:31] <jelmer> pmezard: compare in what sense? the innermost repository gets used, the outer one isn't involved at all
[14:32] <pmezard> what puzzles me is calling .find_branches() on outer seems to return the inner branch as well, while I would have expected it to be ignored somehow
[14:32] <pmezard> and calling .get_revision() on outer fails with this revision
[14:33] <pmezard> so it is not clear to me how bother repositories/branches(?) interact
[14:33] <jelmer> pmezard: find_branches() just recurses to find branches. You have to specify using=True as argument to only get those branches that actually use the repository you call it on.
[14:34] <pmezard> oh that's what "using" means
[14:34] <pmezard> jelmer: excellent, thank you
[14:37] <jelmer> np :)
[16:22] <mgz> ho hum hum
[16:24] <jelmer> mr gz, sir!
[16:25] <mgz> ...that makes me sound a little more noble than I deserve
[16:27] <mgz> mumble mumble?
[16:27] <vila> mumble gz sir ?
[16:29] <mgz> feel free to jump on as well vila
[16:34] <vila> oooh I thought you mean mumble as in... well, mumbling :)
[16:34]  * vila try to focus again :)
[16:45] <djfroofy> hey everyone! fabuluous morning over here and I hope everyone is feeling the same. [rub rub]
[16:46] <djfroofy> quick question on bzr and any pointers to docs etc i would appreciate
[16:46] <djfroofy> I have a branch which i've been working on and piling on a few changes which have gone beyond the scope of the ticket i was working on
[16:47] <djfroofy> i'm coming from a git background ... would usually start a new branch and then cherry pick changes up to a related point etc.
[16:47] <djfroofy> what's the best workflow for this in bzr
[16:49] <LarstiQ> djfroofy: have you commited them?
[17:13] <djfroofy> LarstiQ: yep
[17:14] <djfroofy> all of the changes are in neat (or neat enough) little commits ... so cherry-picking should be a simple task
[17:14] <djfroofy> i'm going through the bzr docs right now
[17:15] <LarstiQ> djfroofy: mirroring the git workflow, you could use `bzr merge -c <introducing-revision> path/to/original/branch` per revision you want to have
[17:16] <LarstiQ> perhaps the rewrite plugin has support for it too, but I don't know it well
[17:54] <exarkun> What does backspace do at the 'bzr shelve' "shelve? [yNfq?]" prompt?
[17:57] <mgz> nothing currently.
[17:58] <mgz> a whoopsie go back button would be nice.
[17:58] <LeoNerd> +1 to having a "back" button
[17:58] <LeoNerd> I hate having to quit and restart because I answered one thing wrong
[17:58] <exarkun> I don't think it does nothing
[17:59] <exarkun> The process advances to the next hunk after I hit it
[18:00] <mgz> what I tend to do most is ynnnnn and hit n one too many times and cancel out at the final "no really?" prompt
[18:01] <mgz> exarkun: possibly a bug with the getchar thing on your platform? what's the bzr version and system?
[18:02] <exarkun> Ubuntu 11.10, bzr 2.4.1
[18:02] <exarkun> running in screen in gnome-terminal
[18:03] <mgz> can you do this in a prompt?
[18:03] <mgz> >>> from bzrlib.osutils import getchar
[18:03] <mgz> >>> getchar()
[18:03] <mgz> '\x7f'
[18:04] <mgz> that's hitting backspace after enter on the getchar line
[18:04] <mgz> I'll double check 2.4.1 too
[18:06] <exarkun> Same
[18:06] <exarkun> Some experiments suggest it's equivalent to n
[18:07] <mgz> ah, I got repo
[18:07] <mgz> how did I just do that
[18:08] <mgz> was trying different num/caps lock keys and the nth backspace hit moved me to the next hunk
[18:08] <mgz> but I now can't get it to do that again
[18:09] <mgz> maybe I just hit the wrong key
[18:15] <mgz> nope, can't get 2.4 to do it for me. best guess is some weirdness with screen or term emu
[18:17] <exarkun> Hm, can do it in gnome-terminal w/o screen
[18:17] <exarkun> And in xterm w/o screen
[18:17] <mgz> ah, I'll try xterm here
[18:18] <exarkun> and uxterm
[18:20] <mgz> okay, happens in xterm with 2.4
[18:20] <mgz> but not on 2.5 so the new shelve ui fixed whatever the issue was
[18:23] <exarkun> wacky.
[18:23] <exarkun> thanks.
[18:23] <mgz> ah... er... any char will do?
[18:24] <mgz> seems 2.4 defaults to 'n' for any unrecognised imput
[18:24] <mgz> *input
[18:25] <mgz> and I clearly suck at testing given I must have done something wrong when switching to the older branch first time around
[19:01] <achiang> hello, i can't figure out how to specify a merge base revision, when there are no common ancestors
[19:01] <achiang> staring at the bzr merge man page doesn't enlighten me, sadly
[19:03] <achiang> "If this fails, you may need to give an explicit base."
[19:03] <achiang> ok, but how?
[19:04] <LeoNerd> Umm.. /can/ you merge with no common ancestors?
[19:04] <LarstiQ> LeoNerd: one can
[19:04] <LeoNerd> Sounds an unlikely thing to want, or that could possibly work
[19:04] <LeoNerd> Oh.. hrmm.. OK
[19:04] <LarstiQ> achiang: can you provide some more context to what you're trying to do?
[19:07] <achiang> LarstiQ: i wish i could explain
[19:07] <achiang> LarstiQ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-gtk/+bug/655241
[19:07] <achiang> LarstiQ: at some point, i branched what i *thought* was  lp:ubuntu/maverick/appmenu-gtk
[19:07] <achiang> LarstiQ: i made some changes...
[19:08] <achiang> LarstiQ: today, i want to merge lp:~om26er/ubuntu/maverick/appmenu-gtk/appmenu-gtk-fix-655241
[19:08] <achiang> but i guess my original branch came from somewhere else
[19:08] <achiang> so looking in my bzr log, i see that, e.g., r56 of my copy == r27 of the source
[19:09] <achiang> i don't know how i got in this state
[19:10] <mwhudson> achiang: can you do bzr log -r 1 --show-ids in both branches?
[19:10] <achiang> anyway, all i really want to do is cherry-pick r28 from source into my dest
[19:10] <mwhudson> i have been known to do (cd ../other-branch ; bzr diff ) | patch -p0
[19:10] <LarstiQ> achiang: when I run missing from your branch wrt the maverick one, you have one extra revision
[19:10] <LarstiQ> achiang: so it seems they are perfectly related?
[19:11] <achiang> LarstiQ: ah, no. i am not ~om26er, my branch isn't pushed anywhere
[19:11] <LarstiQ> achiang: ah, ok
[19:11] <LarstiQ> achiang: can you push it somewhere so we can have a look?
[19:11] <achiang> one sec, getting info requested by mwhudson
[19:11] <LarstiQ> sure
[19:13] <achiang> LarstiQ: mwhudson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/834324/
[19:13] <achiang> mwhudson: yeah, i know how to generate a manual patch. i guess i'm yak-shaving to try to learn a bit more about bzr right now. :)
[19:13] <LarstiQ> achiang: aah
[19:14] <mwhudson> the first one looks like a native bzr branch, the second is from the ubuntu package importer
[19:16] <achiang> so, given that i have confidence the branches are pretty darn close, can i force bzr to merge from the source somehow?
[19:16] <achiang> (again, i know how to generate a manual patch ;)
[19:17] <LarstiQ> achiang: you can with `bzr merge -r 0..-1`
[19:18] <LarstiQ> achiang: but the result is not something that I personally would submit
[19:18] <achiang> why not?
[19:18] <mwhudson> the file ids will be different too won't they?
[19:18] <LarstiQ> achiang: merging unrelated branches is a hefty thing to do, you have to live with the complete history from both forever on
[19:19] <mwhudson> so i think you'll have a pretty hard time getting bzr to do something useful
[19:19] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: oh right, conflicts galore
[19:19] <achiang> hummmmm.....
[19:20] <LarstiQ> achiang: so while it is  possible, it will not be as clean as supplanting your revision on the other branch
[19:20] <achiang> what does "supplanting your revision" mean?
[19:20]  * LarstiQ wonders if rebase minds that the branches share no history
[19:21] <LarstiQ> achiang: doing what mwhudson suggested with diff and patch
[19:21] <LarstiQ> achiang: or rebase, or by hand
[19:21] <LarstiQ> achiang: I may have abused the meaning of the English word :)
[19:22] <achiang> LarstiQ: mwhudson: ok, thanks. i think, since my local branch doesn't really contain useful stuff anyway, i will just adopt the source branch wholesale. this probably means a push with a forced overwrite for where i plan on pushing.
[19:23] <achiang> LarstiQ: mwhudson: thanks for the help
[19:23] <mwhudson> np
[19:24]  * achiang wonders where mwhudson is. isn't it night time in upside-down-landia?
[19:24] <mwhudson> achiang: i'm in the bay area with linaro people
[19:24] <mwhudson> but it's 8:30 or so at home, so i _could_ be up by now
[19:24] <achiang> mwhudson: ah cool! i'll try and say hi tonight. i'm going to crash the computer history museum thingy. :)
[19:25] <mwhudson> cool
[19:25] <achiang> (and now i realize that's quite overloading the word 'crash')
[19:27] <LarstiQ> LeoNerd: so the trick is that secretly all branches are related through the null revision
[19:27] <LeoNerd> Ahhhh
[19:27] <LarstiQ> achiang: let's hope you won't get kicked out of the us now for that ;)
[19:29] <achiang> LarstiQ: heh. would the us deport its own citizens? i guess i shouldn't speculate. :-/
[19:29]  * fullermd carefully steps away from achiang...
[19:30] <achiang> ;)
[19:39] <mathrick> hiya, just to make sure: the new multibranch format is compatible with bzr-colo, right?
[21:06] <djfroofy> LarstiQ: sorry i was away. thanks for the tip using 'bzr merge ...'
[21:14] <djfroofy> go back one space?
[21:15] <djfroofy> woah ... sorry had my screen way scrolled up ... no context to that comment. nm. move along now.
[21:22] <mathrick> hmm, is it safe to install a newer bzr windows standalone on top of an older one?
[21:22] <SamB> mathrick: probably not a good plan
[21:23] <mathrick> so uninstall, then install the new one?
[21:23] <SamB> oh, if it's an actual full installer it's probably fine
[21:23] <SamB> that just sounded suspiciously like "unpack new archive in existing tree" ...
[21:25] <AuroraBorealis> doesn't it upgrade?
[21:25] <AuroraBorealis> the windows installer one
[21:25] <SamB> yeah
[21:25] <SamB> pretty sure it does
[21:27] <AuroraBorealis> some installers (like vlc) just remove the old one
[21:27] <AuroraBorealis> then reinstall
[22:16] <djfroofy> i'm trying to merge in a branch i made and push to trunk on a project on lp and getting ...
[22:16] <djfroofy> Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[22:17] <djfroofy> the command was: bzr push lp:~djfroofy/someproject/trunk
[22:17] <djfroofy> any ideas?
[22:18] <djfroofy> more specifically ... bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-76185552:///~djfroofy/someproject/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[22:18] <poolie> hi
[22:19] <poolie> this means you don't have write access to that branch
[22:19] <poolie> hm
[22:19] <djfroofy> poolie: odd ... this is a project i created ... yada yada
[22:19] <poolie> if it's your own user id that's a bit strange
[22:19] <djfroofy> yep
[22:19] <poolie> try 'bzr launchpad-login djfroofy'
[22:22] <djfroofy> poolie: ok just tried that and: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/548011/
[22:22] <poolie> interesting
[22:22] <poolie> does that file exist?
[22:23] <djfroofy> no it doesn't
[22:24] <djfroofy> "Use ssl.cert_reqs=none to disable certificate verification."
[22:25] <djfroofy> poolie: do you know if that's something i add to a bzr config file or sth?
[22:25] <poolie> or install ca-certs
[22:25] <poolie> *ca-certificates
[22:25] <poolie> on ubuntu/debian
[22:25] <poolie> or whatever it is on your os
[22:25] <djfroofy> on mac os x
[22:25] <djfroofy> yeah ...
[22:27] <AuroraBorealis> i also do not have that directory
[22:29] <AuroraBorealis> but launchpad-login (username) works fo rme
[22:29] <djfroofy> great ... jinxed
[22:29] <AuroraBorealis> where is bzr looking for ssl certificates?
[22:29] <AuroraBorealis> or python rather
[22:30] <djfroofy> when the singularity comes i'll be the first to be wiped out by evil machines
[22:30] <LarstiQ> heh
[22:30] <djfroofy> AuroraBorealis: so i don't know where it's looking. i'm new to bzr mostly
[22:30] <LarstiQ> AuroraBorealis: you're using a slightly older bzr I guess
[22:30] <djfroofy> 2.5b6
[22:30] <AuroraBorealis> i'm using the latest stable
[22:31] <AuroraBorealis> not that old...
[22:31] <LarstiQ> djfroofy: the ssl certificate business here is being hammered out for 2.5
[22:31] <djfroofy> AuroraBorealis: so the latest stable version is ... ?
[22:31] <AuroraBorealis> 2.4.2 i think
[22:31] <djfroofy> AuroraBorealis: awesome. thx.
[22:31] <LarstiQ> vila: ^^
[22:32] <djfroofy> i should afaik acutally by logged in to lp. been pushing to branches owned by myself, etc
[22:33] <LarstiQ> djfroofy: what does `bzr info` or `bzr config` say is the push location?
[22:34] <poolie> djfroofy, you can put 'ssl.cert_reqs=none' into ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[22:34]  * LarstiQ has a feeling the ssl certificate warning may be a red herring
[22:35] <poolie> probably
[22:35] <poolie> i would like to work out if he's connecting by ssh or not
[22:36]  * LarstiQ nods
[22:36] <djfroofy> thanks poolie. i'm reinstalling stable version (2.4.2) now and will try some other things if that doesn't work.
[22:37] <djfroofy> LarstiQ: i'll let you know when i've finished reinstalling
[22:37] <poolie> djfroofy, can you tell me the actual project name, or is it private?
[22:37] <LarstiQ> djfroofy: sure thing
[22:38] <LarstiQ> djfroofy: I will fall asleep at some point, but I can check the logs tomorrow
[22:40] <lifeless> the .bzr.log may tel you
[22:40] <poolie> o/ lifeless
[22:40] <LarstiQ> lifeless \o/
[22:42] <LarstiQ> lifeless: re bug 927581, I understand not wanting to change local path handling now, but initially I had expected bzr to be passing bytestrings to begin with
[22:42]  * LarstiQ was a bit slow in discovering it was a unicode argument
[22:42] <lifeless> LarstiQ: :) no worries
[22:42] <LarstiQ> lifeless: anyway, the point is moot. Pypy has been fixed to behave in the same way, will be in 1.8 which is due out rsn
[22:43] <LarstiQ> so maybe we'll get to a 0 failure run this month
[22:43]  * LarstiQ babbles
[22:44] <djfroofy> LarstiQ: no you're not allowed to fall asleep. you must stay up all night until my problem is resolved.
[22:45] <djfroofy> ah ... good times: 2.5b6
[22:45] <djfroofy> woops
[22:46] <djfroofy> bzr: WARNING: bzrlib version doesn't match the bzr program.
[22:46] <djfroofy> is what i meant to paste
[22:46] <djfroofy> sorry for the play-by-play ... i'm reinstalling bzrlib now
[22:46] <poolie> djfroofy, i really don't think going back to 2.4 is necessary
[22:46] <poolie> you can just disable ssl validation and you'll get past that warning
[22:48] <djfroofy> poolie: yeah ... i'm going to try that ... except now i've already gone back ... sort of. the bzrlib dep mismatch is ugh ... a problem.
[22:51] <lifeless> LarstiQ: cool
[22:51] <poolie> djfroofy, how did you install it?
[23:04] <djfroofy> poolie: pip install bzr==2.4.2
[23:06] <djfroofy> poolie: and i'm reinstalling now just the regular ol' way that always works. downloaded the package ...
[23:12] <Jesdisciple> when I commit, I'm given a commit message to edit...
[23:13] <Jesdisciple> But how do I submit that message?
[23:13] <Jesdisciple> the only way I've found so far is to save a message to disk and specify it with -F / --file=
[23:14] <Jesdisciple> both the default behavior and -m / --message= leave me hanging and I just end up using Ctrl+C
[23:15] <djfroofy> poolie: the project name is bafload btw ... sorry i missed that
[23:17] <AuroraBorealis> bzr commit -m "something" should work
[23:18] <poolie> Jesdisciple, when you interrupt it, there should be a traceback in ~/.bzr.log saying what it was doing
[23:19] <Jesdisciple> checking
[23:20] <Jesdisciple> in which directory?  pwd as of the call to commit?
[23:20] <Jesdisciple> I'm not seeing anything unless it's deep within .bzr
[23:21] <Jesdisciple> ah woops
[23:21] <Jesdisciple> missed the ~
[23:22] <djfroofy> poolie: tried everything ... wuh wuh
[23:22] <djfroofy> (bafload)quaternion:trunk dsmathers$ bzr launchpad-login djfroofy
[23:22] <djfroofy> (bafload)quaternion:trunk dsmathers$ bzr push
[23:22] <djfroofy> Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~djfroofy/bafload/trunk/
[23:22] <djfroofy> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-85139408:///~djfroofy/bafload/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[23:23] <djfroofy> sorry for the spam ...
[23:23] <poolie> np, ok
[23:23] <poolie> oh ok
[23:23] <poolie> it's an import of a bitbucket branch
[23:23] <poolie> that's why you can't push to it
[23:24] <Jesdisciple> BzrError: Must end write group before releasing write lock on CHKInventoryRepository('')
[23:24] <Jesdisciple> (the single-quotes had a long path)
[23:24] <djfroofy> poolie: righto
[23:24] <djfroofy> the idea was to ditch the bitbucket one and just start using lp
[23:25] <djfroofy> since it related to some other projects on lp, namely txaws
[23:25] <djfroofy> big dat red herring
[23:25] <djfroofy> s/dat/fat/
[23:26] <poolie> djfroofy, ok, i see
[23:26] <poolie> so then i suggest you rename this branch to, say, 'import'
[23:26] <poolie> then you can push your local copy to that url
[23:26] <poolie> and then you'll have made a new writable branch
[23:26] <poolie> sorry the error message is so confusing
[23:26] <djfroofy> poolie: rename or branch to another branch?
[23:26] <djfroofy> it is confusing. life is full of confusing error messages.
[23:27] <poolie> i'm suggesting you rename this one, so that the name 'trunk' is freed up
[23:27] <djfroofy> okay
[23:27] <poolie> also, you might like to make a 'bafload' team to own it
[23:27] <poolie> not just you
[23:27] <poolie> in case you expect more contributors later
[23:27] <poolie> thanks for moving it
[23:27] <poolie> i'm using txaws a bit myself
[23:28] <djfroofy> poolie: yeah, i'll probably make a team later. thanks.
[23:29] <djfroofy> i'm more just trying to get versed in lp
[23:31] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/543797 :-(
[23:31] <poolie> that's what bit you
[23:31] <djfroofy> poolie: ok, so i renamed to import, made a branch off this named trunk and then push to that ... or sth. https://code.launchpad.net/bafload
[23:32] <poolie> awesome
[23:32] <poolie> you might like to mark that as the trunk branch in https://launchpad.net/bafload/trunk
[23:33] <djfroofy> will that all for "bzr branch lp:bafload" for example?
[23:33] <djfroofy> s/all/allow/
[23:33] <poolie> yes
[23:33] <djfroofy> hotness
[23:35] <djfroofy> poolie: and ... no idea how to "makr that as the trunk branch" after some clicking around
[23:36] <djfroofy> configure project branch?
[23:36] <djfroofy> yep ... that did the trick
[23:36] <djfroofy> poolie: thanks for all your help
[23:37] <poolie> no problem, thanks for going through it with us
[23:37] <poolie> ok i need to reboot to test something, biab (i hope)
[23:39] <djfroofy> going home myself


[01:41] <rick_h_> evening, yay fireplace
[02:13] <jrwren> sounds nice.
[02:15] <rick_h_> yea, nice quiet time with the boy put to bed and the fire
[02:15] <rick_h_> AMZ streaming fail today :(
[02:15] <jrwren> all the streaming I need: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs  :)
[02:16] <rick_h_> hah, is their video everyone's talking about online?
[02:16] <rick_h_> the intro that made fun of gamergate?
[02:16] <jrwren> no.
[02:16] <jrwren> they didn't really make fun of it.
[02:16] <jrwren> one of the co founders criticized it quite seriously.
[02:16] <rick_h_> oh, twitter went nuts when their intro went down I figured I'd try to see what the fuss was
[02:17] <jrwren> http://www.playoverwatch.com   click the one on the right.
[02:17] <jrwren> its like a pixar short only cooler
[02:23] <rick_h_> hah that's cool
[02:31] <cmaloney> Star Crafft II tournaments?
[02:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: yes. tis been my life for the past 3 yrs.
[02:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: today and tomorrow are the annual "world series" if you will
[02:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: i'm a fan.
[02:33] <cmaloney> That's pretty awesome
[02:34] <rick_h_> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/the-first-phone-with-android-5-0-lollipop-is-the-2014-moto-x/
[02:34]  * rick_h_ keeps hitting button
[02:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: hah
[02:35] <jrwren> cmaloney: the economy behind it is bigger than NHL :)
[02:35] <rick_h_> damn, guess I'm not in the 'soak test'
[02:35] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's not surprising, though I wouldn't think Star Craft II would be this huge
[02:35] <cmaloney> Competitive videogames as a whole yes
[02:36] <cmaloney> but one game? That's like people still competitively playing Quake
[02:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: yeah, not sure which is which.
[02:36] <jrwren> and SC2 is not as popular as it was a coupel year ago.
[02:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: LoL is the one game right now.  they get 150k viewers.
[02:37] <jrwren> when LoL had their finals they had more viewers than anything on television.
[02:37] <cmaloney> I love the "pods" they're bein put in
[02:37] <jrwren> hence the amazon buys twitch
[02:37] <jrwren> sound proof booths.
[02:37] <cmaloney> Yeah, this totally cinches why Amazon bought Twitch
[02:38] <cmaloney> I wish they'd get rid of the NFL-like commentary
[02:38] <cmaloney> that's the one thing that drives me nuts about asportball
[02:38] <jrwren> well, this is the superbowl
[02:38] <cmaloney> Shut. The.Fuck. up.
[02:38] <jrwren> superbowl commentary usuually sucks, right?
[02:38] <cmaloney> Yes.
[02:38] <jrwren> but these are excelent commentators.
[02:38] <jrwren> all through the season these guys are the best.
[02:39] <jrwren> its just tough, cuz there are 5 of 'em, when usually there are 2
[02:39] <cmaloney> They're saying the same shit that NFL commentators say
[02:39] <jrwren> so the dynamics are... hahaha yeah.
[02:39] <cmaloney> "I'm not sure which player will show up today"
[02:39] <cmaloney> "This is a phenominal contest"
[02:39] <jrwren> who said that?
[02:39] <jrwren> guy on far left?
[02:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: so if you are still watching, the guy talking right now, Sean aka day9, has probably done more for esports and sc2 than anyone in the world.
[02:48] <jrwren> i swear there isn't usually this much talking between matches.
[02:48] <cmaloney> It's because I'm watching.
[02:48] <cmaloney> :)
[02:49] <jrwren> this series is going to be SWEET!
[02:49] <jrwren> really are 2 of the best
[02:50] <jrwren> http://twistedsifter.com/2014/11/austin-light-illustrates-movie-titles-with-one-letter-removed/
[02:51] <cmaloney> Christ, it's like watching Civ in real-time. :)
[02:52] <cmaloney> OK, going to watch something else in the interim. :)
[02:52] <jrwren> finally
[02:52] <jrwren> yes, civ is a strat game.
[02:52] <jrwren> this is a real time strat game :p
[03:18] <jrwren> cmaloney: wtff?  new sister machine gunn   did you see CR's tweet?
[04:47] <cmaloney> Didn't see the tweet but I know he's working on an EP for WTII
[04:48] <cmaloney> jrwren: ^
[04:53] <jrwren> wow.
[04:53] <jrwren> i had no idea.
[04:53] <cmaloney> Yeah
[04:54] <cmaloney> I wasn't aware that WTII was a thing (apparently it's the office manager from Wax Trax! restarting the Wax Trax label.
[04:57] <derekv> cmaloney: looking for cmj bump?
[04:57] <cmaloney> ?
[04:58] <jrwren> i don't get it.
[04:58] <jrwren> why WTII and not his own label?
[04:58] <cmaloney> Nostalgia
[04:58] <jrwren> lol
[04:58] <cmaloney> The kids from the 1990s are getting into their 40s
[04:58] <jrwren> FLA just joined the skinny puppy tour
[04:58] <jrwren> no detroit date though :(
[04:59] <cmaloney> That's a cats-sleeping-with-dogs moment
[04:59] <jrwren> yup
[04:59] <jrwren> would be such a sweet show.
[04:59] <derekv> I've been overserved tonight, not expecting anything I say to make much sense
[05:00] <jrwren> derekv: where at?
[05:00] <derekv> berkley front
[05:00] <cmaloney> CMJ is College Music JOurnal, no?
[05:00] <derekv> had to leave a shot sitting on the bar, which is, ___not___ a thing I do
[05:02] <derekv> CMJ in yea, I thought about being involved in college radio
[05:02] <jrwren> is that in berkley?
[05:02] <cmaloney> derekv: I spent four glorious years in college radio
[05:02]  * jrwren was a college dj
[05:03] <cmaloney> it was one of the reasons I went to Hope: you didn't have to be in a program to be a DJ.
[05:03] <derekv> jrwren: yea, it's a local haunt for me, close to my house.   I think you had to be a student.
[05:04] <cmaloney> Heh, we had a massive 1,000 watts.
[05:04] <jrwren> yeah. 1kW is nice.
[05:05] <jrwren> 1W on a same feq as something nearby - not cool.
[05:05] <derekv> i guess the station has more power now, and it's on top of a tower on top of a hill, instead of being on a tower on top of the tallest building on campus, in a valley
[05:06] <derekv> or as the alums remember when I was involved, only broadcast as FM over co-ax to the dorms
[05:06] <derekv> so to listen you had to tune your tv
[05:06] <jrwren> derekv: what years? cuz that sounds like some early 90s
[05:07] <derekv> I was in probably 99~2000's
[05:07] <derekv> the coax thing happend before I was involved, early 90s, 80s
[05:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, WTHS was also Co-ax at one point
[05:08] <cmaloney> though it sounded like 1980s era
[05:09] <derekv> man, if i would have taken that last shot... o)o
[05:10] <derekv> maybe I finally learned my limits?  probably not, probably I just by some freak thing my judgement stayed one step ahead this time
[05:10] <cmaloney> you're just getting older. :)
[05:10] <derekv> and that
[05:11] <derekv> so old... lol
[05:11] <derekv> SOO OLD
[05:11] <cmaloney> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/11/grim-meathook-mining-disaster/
[05:12] <derekv> oh no wtf!
[05:12] <derekv> hahah this is like exactly where most of my dream's take place lately
[05:12] <cmaloney> IN a burned out server room / barn?
[05:13] <derekv> except I'm trying to merge someone's bad code with someone else's bad code
[05:13] <derekv> yea might as well, makes perfect sense
[05:14] <derekv> heh, it's jwz
[05:15] <derekv> who wants bitcoin to die in a fire anyways?
[05:16] <derekv> unless...
[05:17] <derekv> I don't know, I don't expect whether bitcoin will go to the moon or not, whatever... I hope cyptocurrency will become a disruptive force.  Disruption in that field seems like it would be a good thing.
[05:19] <derekv> I can't imagine fighting against that viewpoint unless you already had some specific dog in the fight.  For the status quo.  And, if you have some interesting argument why that's the same as the common good, I'm all ears.
[05:24] <cmaloney> I don't see crypto currency as anything but the same sort of hoarding mentality and distrust of government-backed currencies that fuel gold-buying
[05:24] <cmaloney> Save for gold at least is conductive. ;)
[05:24] <derekv> interesting... cause I hate gold buying
[05:26] <derekv> been trying update my music tastes a bit, and expand.  Normally I'm into strait electronic genres.  I think I might be into "chillwave" maybe.
[05:26] <derekv> Also some old electronic genres I shunned before I like now
[05:27] <derekv> Totally dig psytrance now
[05:27] <derekv> "old" as in, I hated them because they where new when they where new
[05:30] <derekv> cmaloney: I guess I don't expect to see cryptocurrency to go up at the cost of USD or be used a something that is more stable than USD... not at all
[05:31] <cmaloney> The problem with bitcoin is eventually it needs to be converted into real currency
[05:31] <cmaloney> so it's still tied to the value of USD.
[05:31] <cmaloney> or whatever "real-world" currency it's converted into
[05:32] <derekv> I guess my hope is that it'll be good at what it is good at, and that the overall economy will benefit from it doing a good job at what it might do a good job at.
[05:32] <derekv> cmaloney: usd is not "real", no currency is "real"
[05:33] <derekv> I'm sure you already know that, Just positing
[05:33] <derekv> but a lot of people don't know that.
[05:34] <derekv> Had someone tell me, oh sure, invest in a money that isn't real
[05:34] <derekv> like I gave up a real thing for a not-real-thing
[05:35] <derekv> when I clicked to have some quantity changed in one computer system in return for a quantity changed in another computer system
[05:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's a lot of folks who don't understand fiat-currency. :)
[05:37] <derekv> the "real"-ness of the USD quantity in your checking account is based on the relative stability of the value of the USD
[05:38] <derekv> nobody would make such an argument if we live in Zimbabwe
[05:39] <derekv> but, at the same time my investment in cryptocurrency is extremely tentative, I consider it far less stable than the USD
[05:40] <derekv> Yea I didn't think about it before but I guess there is an important simularirty between investing in gold and investing in bitcoing
[05:41] <derekv> both are investing in a "imaginary" idea over the imaginary idea of USD
[05:42] <greg-g> all investment is imaginary
[05:42] <derekv> yep
[05:42] <derekv> if I really thought that the USD was going to crash, if shit was really going to hit the fan..
[05:43] <derekv> if shit really hits the fan, who is going to be looking to buy gold?
[05:43] <derekv> mostly, nobody
[05:43] <derekv> if the USD crashes, I expect things like clean water, and booze to be valueable
[05:44] <derekv> edible fat, oil... if things are looking up, maybe seeds
[05:44] <derekv> who the would buy your gold, or diamonds?
[05:45] <greg-g> derekv: you should read Debt: The First 5000 Years
[05:45] <greg-g> you'd probably like it
[05:46] <derekv> ordered.  paperback.
[05:47] <greg-g> :)
[05:47] <greg-g> I saw him talk when he was in SF, pretty good
[05:47] <derekv> i'm sure if the USD crashes, bitcoin wouldn't be a thing
[05:47] <derekv> except in a few "edge case" scenario's I could probably think of
[05:48] <derekv> I mean, certainly possible, but not super likely
[05:49] <cmaloney> derekv: There's a PDF version and audiobook version available as well
[05:49] <cmaloney> freely available
[05:49] <derekv> cmaloney: already ordered, anyways, I like to have some paperbacks
[05:49] <cmaloney> http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/archive/audiobooks/Debt,%20The%20First%205000%20Years/David%20Graeber%20-%20Debt,%20The%20First%205000%20Years.pdf
[05:50] <cmaloney> http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/archive/audiobooks/Debt,%20The%20First%205000%20Years/
[05:52] <derekv> I find I like to do a combination of ebook, real book, and audiobook
[05:52] <derekv> real book being the nicest, but the other two having a lot of practical value
[05:52] <cmaloney> Yeah
[05:55] <greg-g> some books I can only do physically. I like to take notes/underline/"deep read" them
[05:56] <cmaloney>  greg-g You're such a librarian. :)
[05:56] <cmaloney> I rarely take notes on books.
[05:56] <cmaloney> (which might be obvious for the amount of not remembering what I've read. :) )
[05:57] <cmaloney> I never really got the habit of note-taking
[05:59] <derekv> I should probably take in another discworld or two
[05:59] <derekv> I liked that light reading feel, without being crappy reading
[06:03] <derekv> greg-g: it must be really good, "snowcrash" is a suggested purchase now
[06:20] <greg-g> :)
[06:28] <derekv> i need some copies of cryptonomicon as giveaways now, can't find my copy
[06:29] <derekv> baroque cycle was ... amazing.  not for everyone probably.  far cry from snowcrash.
[15:00] <cmaloney> Wow, I didn't know about apt-get build-dep
[15:00] <cmaloney> That's awesome
[15:00] <cmaloney> Also: Good morning
[15:32] <jrwren> what ya need build deps for?
[16:08] <rick_h_> morning
[16:12] <cmaloney> jrwren: Was installing pygame in a virtualenv
[16:12] <cmaloney> and needed the deps to compile it
[16:20] <derekv> i just received an empty package from amazon.  box is like 3`x1`, nothing in it.  reminds me of a bad joke my parents would play on me at christmas when I was a little kid.
[16:42] <rick_h_> lol who did you upset derekv?
[16:48] <jrwren> 6hr video game movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkLPKd-Vs8g
[18:34] <derekv> rick_h_: nobody, i ordered a torque wrench, they sent me an empty box
[19:16] <derekv> is there a quick way to get a sandbox around this : https://github.com/VitaliyRodnenko/geeknote so I can easily hack on it
[19:31] <mrgoodcat> derekv: could run it in a lxc container
[19:31] <mrgoodcat> or vagrant or something like that
[19:32] <derekv> mrgoodcat: i just mean a dev sandbox
[19:32] <mrgoodcat> vagrant is specifically for that
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> unless i'm misunderstanding your meaning of sandbox
[19:33] <derekv> looking at vagrant
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> i've used vagrant at past jobs
[19:34] <mrgoodcat> a lot of OSS projects use it
[19:34] <derekv> cool I didn't know about it
[19:35]  * mrgoodcat helping :)
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> derekv: you could just install it in a virtualenv too
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> which is the lighter weight version
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> but isn't as sandboxed
[19:45] <derekv> mrgoodcat: yea I'm looking at virtualenv now, remembering it
[19:45] <derekv> mrgoodcat: i see myself using vagrant in the future, for this it seems overkill
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> yea
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> i just use virtualenv most of the time
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> but i didn't know how sandboxed you wanted
[20:18] <rick_h_> lxc ftw
[21:31] <derekv> oh thats fun, i got a thing that is labeled as being a "string", but the description is "binary hash value"
[23:52] <derekv> got my evernote dedup script working... sortof
[23:52] <derekv> i think i'm hitting rate limits and somewhere burying the exceptions the client gives for that
[23:52] <derekv> my result = doRequest is coming back as a bool =/
[23:53] <derekv> it was working for a minute