 does rebuilding mean that the iso is being "compiled" again?:
 Yes.
 Well "built" perse.
 so I'll wait ... maybe a long time: :) (re @bashfulrobot: Well "built" perse.)
 There were some issues earlier. I had not checked the status.
 go to... simulate  dual boot LOL:
 Hey all :) Been using Ubuntu Studio for several years. Saw the call for beta testers and happy to help
 welcome Zachariah
 hi @scubaTech
 glad to have you onboard
 Hi @philipz!
 I've been using Kubuntu for quite a while. I had been using 16.04 because of compatibility with MapR and SQL Server. My main system is 18.04, but I have an empty 256GB nVME SSD that is just waiting to have 20.04 installed. My USB 3.0 stick just got the installer on.
[02:22] <valorie> nice!
 it's close:
 Hi all

 hi @hungnkUET
 i am using Kubuntu 20.04 and when i download chormium from terminal ( sudo apt install chormium-brower )
 i can not find it on Internet dogegory. I have to use command "chromium-browser" to open it from terminal. It is a bug right ? And i am going here to report it.
[02:55] <valorie> did it download with that misspelled command?
[02:55] <valorie> afaik chromium is only available in Ubuntu as a snap
[02:55] <valorie> this is not a place to flle bugs, no
 You are correct. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://snapcraft.io/blog/chromium-in-ubuntu-deb-to-snap-transition&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjl0eq528PoAhVUrZ4KHVXvDU0QFjAAegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw13Birn-EEpS0JIUiryc-4g (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <valorie> afaik chromium is only available in Ubuntu as a snap)
 Still, let's make sure we're not filing bugs here or linking bugs we've filed, only discussion about testing. :)
 👍
 to all flavors with twitter accounts, lets retweet this and also tweet out our own - https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1244819586916073477
 I gotchu 💪 Not a flavour but I have good taste ™ (re @philipz: to all flavors with twitter accounts, lets retweet this and also tweet out our own - https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1244819586916073477)
 I gotchu 💪 I’m not a flavour but I have good taste ™ (edited) (re @philipz: to all flavors with twitter accounts, lets retweet this and also tweet out our own - https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1244819586916073477)
 thanks @schykle for spreading the word
 lets spread the word on facebook as well
 welcome @AlexeyNikitin01
 welcome @BugShell
 nice vid @schykle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MAdkwuWg0
 ❤
 I hope it gets more people interested! :D
 Привет всем
 beta builds seem to be out - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds
[04:28] <valorie> it is, however it will be respun once libreoffice finishes rebuilding
[04:29] <valorie> most of us flavors include it in our ISOs, and it was breaking all of 'em
 @schykle its good to include your hardware configuration and install options in the comment section of test results. like if its a VM or real hardware and some basic hardware info (cpu, ram, graphics, etc)
 xubutu's tweet for those that wish to retweet - https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1244851920738455553
 I'm booting to my USB now.
 welcome @williamconna
 Anyone else have their screen turn green with Night Color rather than red?
 @RikMills @Sick_Rimmit or valorie: ^^^
[06:18] <valorie> not me.....
[06:18] <valorie> works perfectly so far
 I think it's an issue with nVidia cards using the native driver.
 I think in order to implement the fix you have to edit your X11.conf file.
[06:19] <valorie> I'm using nvidia and their driver.....
[06:20] <valorie> otoh I have a sys76 machine and use the system76 PPA to control the nvidia drivers
 This is a fresh install of 20.04 from today's build. But I think it happened on my last system and I fixed it by editing X11.conf.
 Sorry, Xorg.conf.
 Time to try Starcraft II in Wine!
 Anyone else getting strange lines in their Konsole windows? I'm getting white and orange lines between the character rows, and occasionally in between menu bar option rectangles.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> Zachariah: wich flavour are you on?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> for those who are testing lubuntu 20.04, i filed bug #1869696 yesterday
 welcome Davit
 lotuspsychje: Zachariah's on kubuntu
 🙏 (re @philipz: welcome Davit)
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> philipz: tnx
 Yes, Kubuntu. I've been a KDE person for the last 12 years.
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> Zachariah: wich nvidia chipset & driver are you using?
 EVGA GTX 1070 FTW2 Driver Version: 440.64
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> that sounds like the latest driver indeed, did you try a switch of driver versions yet Zachariah ?
 No, I do not want to downgrade drivers ever. This is not a show-stopper since the lines never cross actual text. I was just wondering if it was happening to anyone else. It seems only to happen in Konsole and no other applidogion.
 I will make a note of it in the bug reporter once I get some screenshots.
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Zachariah: drivers switching doesnt really mean downgrading, in some cases that could fix things, i reccomend to test
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> specially with graphical glitches
 Ok, a side-switch then? Are you suggesting I uninstall the nVidia driver from Universe and then download directly from their site?
 never heard of that (re @philipz: @RikMills @Sick_Rimmit or valorie: ^^^)
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> Zachariah: no, check ubuntu-drivers list, to see the driver versions available for your card on the ubuntu repos
 Switching to 390 did not help. I will probably try switching to 430 in a minute. I don't think it's a driver issue. Nothing else is affected one bit.
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx for testing that Zachariah
[08:13] <RikMills> we might get new beta candidate ISOs later today, but at the moment that is still blocked
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> cool tnx RikMills
 How much time does the Ubuntu 20.04 installer takes normally to load?
 After the initial screen, it gets stuck for me on loading screen (re @akshettrj: How much time does the Ubuntu 20.04 installer takes normally to load?)
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> akshettrj: try pressing F1 to switch textboot, see if its the integrity check lagging?
 After sometime it starts printing fsck:md5sums% again and again (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> akshettrj: try pressing F1 to switch textboot, see if its the integrity check lagging?)
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> akshettrj: yes thats a known bug, press S to skip for now till its fixed please
 Yeah sure
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> bug #1867065
 Thanks
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> akshettrj: welcome ; )
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 hi BluesKaj
 cool:
 to all the flavors and testers, please try to keep the buzz going about #UbuntuTestingWeek throughout the testing week on social media and any other mediums to promote all aspects of contributions that can make it into the LTS, like ISO testing, bug hunting, and translations
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> philipz: can we get a link in #ubuntu+1 in topic perhaps?
 👍☺ (re @philipz: to all the flavors and testers, please try to keep the buzz going about #UbuntuTestingWeek throughout the testing week on social media and any other mediums to promote all aspects of contributions that can make it into the LTS, like ISO testing, bug hunting, and translations)
 lotuspsychje: if it hasn't been announced in there yet, then it should be
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> it has not
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> philipz: can i also propose someone makes a new tweet about this at: https://twitter.com/ubuntu
 please see who can put it into the topic and have the link as https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-testing-week/15043
 lotuspsychje: @popeydc is on getting it into the ubuntu twitter
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> great
 I dont know if its some new implementation they are following but my ubuntu doesnt have the package installer, i mean i cannot install .deb files directly by double clicking them. Is this because they are using snap primarily now?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> philipz: the UWN guys also made an article in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue624
 I am new in using ubuntu.. (re @akshettrj: I dont know if its some new implementation they are following but my ubuntu doesnt have the package installer, i mean i cannot install .deb files directly by double clicking them. Is this because they are using snap primarily now?)
 lotuspsychje: yes i knew :D thanks again @guiverc
 @akshettrj if you double click a .deb, it should open in the software center
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> philipz: do you know if the blog guys will make an article too? https://ubuntu.com/blog
 It opens archive manager (re @philipz: @akshettrj if you double click a .deb, it should open in the software center)
 lotuspsychje: not sure. its all in popey's hands, but he assured yesterday that we definitely will get on twitter
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> great
[12:59] <popey> We weren't planning on doing an ubuntu.com blog, no
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:03] <popey> We will likely not do a social post until the beta is out.
 Solved it... Nvm (re @akshettrj: It opens archive manager)
 translations... (re @philipz: to all the flavors and testers, please try to keep the buzz going about #UbuntuTestingWeek throughout the testing week on social media and any other mediums to promote all aspects of contributions that can make it into the LTS, like ISO testing, bug hunting, and translations)
 my native language is brazilian portuguese, but i use the system in english ... (re @philipz: to all the flavors and testers, please try to keep the buzz going about #UbuntuTestingWeek throughout the testing week on social media and any other mediums to promote all aspects of contributions that can make it into the LTS, like ISO testing, bug hunting, and translations)
 I'll see how the Portuguese translations are in a little while :)
 I can help translations to brailian portuguese on Ubuntu Budgie. since i reviewed all of them in the last month
 @Tohsaka_Chan if you get some time, please help with these
 https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/cosmic/+lang/pt_BR
 https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu/pt_BR/+translate
 good (re @philipz: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/cosmic/+lang/pt_BR)
 in the ISO testcases, it mentions "The slideshow is entirely in your language", so translations are beneficial for the installer
 If you  need any support I can help you (re @Tohsaka_Chan: good)
 this is very good :):
 the contributor docs are less crucial. most crucial is the installer slides and the documentation (user-docs) which only 7 are untranslated
 @lipe66 can you check on the 1 'need review':
 Spanish isn't full translated (re @philipz: the contributor docs are less crucial. most crucial is the installer slides and the documentation (user-docs) which only 7 are untranslated)
 yes many languages arent, so all are welcome to contribute to it
 I'll try to but the Spanish community team doesn't accept me. (re @philipz: yes many languages arent, so all are welcome to contribute to it)
 sad (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: I'll try to but the Spanish community team doesn't accept me.)
 yes it unfortunate that this is a barrier for contributors, but to ensure quality, some barriers have to be set
 But how you can improve the quality of translations if you don't accept new members to the community?
 And you're overwhelmed with your work. At least is what I can see. In any other way I couldn't explain why "off" is usually translated "apagado" when in Spanish it depend on the context for example WiFi isn't "apagado" but it is deactivated or desactivado. In English this could sound like a  crazy think to say but for us (all the people who speak Spanish as our mother tong
 And you're overwhelmed with your work. At least is what I can see. In any other way I couldn't explain why "off" is usually translated "apagado" when in Spanish it depend on the context for example WiFi isn't "apagado" but it is deactivated or "desactivado". In English this could sound like a  crazy think to say but for us (all the people who speak Spanish as our mother to
 like most contributions, it has to go through gate keepers, and if your contributions aren't getting in, you have to contact the gate keepers directly and if that doesnt work, you have to look at options to go over their head to the people above them
 ok I am on it (re @philipz: )
 Well, like portuguese, that you have Portugal Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese were the english term has 2 different translations, i imagine that spanish can be problematic also
 I can say that is .t. cos I am pt
 😄
 I had to manually set Software Center as default opener, but that should have been the default from the beginning. (re @akshettrj: Solved it... Nvm)
 With beta freeze having hit yesterday, and with the franticness at which I've been moving, I really need to take a day off today. If something comes up and it's Ubuntu Studio related and it's urgent, give me a ping.
 i think i reported the same bug in a video
 no i guess that was some other default app not being assigned correctly in ubuntu :D
 this is very cool:
 it is? (re @Tohsaka_Chan: )
 i not spak english LOL (re @RikMills: it is?)
 i not speak english LOL (edited) (re @RikMills: it is?)
 well, I'm still not sure why you showed that. you haven't installed the build dependencies of what you are trying to build, but ****shrug**** (re @Tohsaka_Chan: i not speak english LOL)
 now i hate slang :) (re @RikMills: well, I'm still not sure why you showed that. you haven't installed the build dependencies of what you are trying to build, but ****shrug****)
 welcome @MateoBioengineer
 Hi, I install Ubuntu 20.04 daily build the las 3 days, and the update for today have a bug
 I can't launch snaps apps
 what happens if you try to?
 (from the command line for example doing snap run (snaprun))
 One moment
 (from the command line for example doing snap run (snapname)) (edited)
 which snap did you try?

 ooh, i had this today!
 I know the workaround. I'll get a bug filed
 sudo service apparmor restart
 do that
 then try again
 Thanks
 I have a question, why did they choose zfs instead of btrfs or xfs?
 Our teams evaluated the options and feel more confident supporting zfs
 XFS does not have all the management capability. BTRFS - not near the production workloads in the industry. Some historical issues w/ BTRFS. ZFS also has industry momentum. I'm speculating.
[19:13] <wxl> zfs has seen extensive use in production environments for years
 Sounds fair
[19:14] <wxl> although that has been primarily within the confines of unix. there's been a long effort to bring zfs support to linux
 the BSDs have been enjoying it for quite some time
 yeah, why shouldn't we have some of the fun :D
 I have a video lined up about it
 And considering FreeBSD is going to rebase with ZFS on Linux....
 all comes down to licensing :D
 For those interested, https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2018-December/072422.html (re @bashfulrobot: And considering FreeBSD is going to rebase with ZFS on Linux....)
 yep there was a major zfs company that moved that way so everyone had to follow
[19:16] <wxl> btrfs is intriguing as it was meant to compete to btrfs but it's lagging behind
[19:17] <wxl> uhh meant to compete to zfs
 hahahaha
[19:17] <wxl> curiously rhel dropped support for it (btrfs)
 Ok, thanks
 think the only distro using butter is suse
 It certainly used to use it by default, dunno if it still does.
 Plenty of other people do too. The Jolla phone does. NetGear ReadyNAS devices too
 Now one more question, how do I run this fingerprint reader in Ubuntu to login
 What laptop?

 does ubuntu have a fingerprint login option?
 Lenovo IdeaPad s540
 Yes, but! Not all devices are supported, sadly.
 assume its an upstream issue right?
 at least it recognizes it, in deepin and arcolinux it did not appear in the list of lsusb
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/usbutils/+bug/1721909
 Might have to do some searches for that USB ID 27c6:55b4 to see
 The problem is that some finger print readers need a binary blob firmware to work.
 Most of the older devices do work, e.g. my X220 and T450 work fine, but newer models are less compatible.
 Where is the best place to download the Beta ISOs? I got mine from cdimage.ubuntu.com . Is that the correct lodogion?
 yep
 The beta isn't out yet, not until thursday or so
 Yes. The daily.
 Thanks (re @popeydc: Might have to do some searches for that USB ID 27c6:55b4 to see)
 But as Alan said... No beta yet.
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
 That's the one.
 any update about testdrive?
 For Ubuntu proper. The flavours have their own respective daily URLS.
 did dustin kurklin respond
 Ok, thanks! I just wanted to make sure I was using the right one. The text on my lock screen is tiny, but the global scale takes effect when I log in. Is there any way to fix the lock screen? I'm using a 43" 4K TV for a monitor, but the text is even smaller than it should be for 4K. My 18.04 looks correct.
 I don't want to take this off topic, but I have some questions. Ok to contact direct? (re @Zachariah: Ok, thanks! I just wanted to make sure I was using the right one. The text on my lock screen is tiny, but the global scale takes effect when I log in. Is there any way to fix the lock screen? I'm using a 43" 4K TV for a monitor, but the text is even smaller than it should be fo
 Go ahead. I'm here.
 For that you can install gnome-teak-tool in order to increase the font size
[20:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200331)
[20:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200331)
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[20:35] <maggotbrain> kinda sucks that I have to do a large software update immediately after installing.
[20:37] <maggotbrain> Are there any scripts available for me to stress the install?
[20:38] <valorie> maggotbrain: there should be no updates to a fresh install of 20.04
 Depends when you do the install. It's just the delta between the day the iso was made that you downloaded and now
[20:39] <maggotbrain> valorie: that is simply not true.
 It simply is true if you install immediately after the iso is made :D
[20:39] <valorie> if you are doing dailies, then as popey said, there will be a daily delta
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200331)
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[20:40] <valorie> while we're in beta freeze there will be few changes/additions
[20:42] <maggotbrain> I followed one of the links to the ISO on https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-testing-week/
 Look at the date stamp on the file
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
 2020-03-29 02:17
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200331)
 It's now two days later.
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200331)
 well thats the last daily for xubuntu
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds/209834/downloads
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/209834/downloads
 Yup, all good, working as designed.
 signing off. have a good night all and stay safe.
 o/
 checked your channel but didnt see the new video :(
 1st candidate ISOs for the beta are starting to roll in. can be tested, but be aware they may be re-rolled at any point
 1st candidate ISOs for the beta are starting to roll in. can be tested, but be aware they may be re-spun at any point (edited)
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[16:43] <camako> sturmflut, @mir-on-x, It's for the convenience of shell/framework/mir developers  - no need to be root, no need to switch between VTs, no risk of locking up your machine when things go wrong. Mir runs in a window within your dev environment next to other windows that you might find convenient having open during development.
[19:27] <kdub> mir 0.18 reached xenial, yay


[08:19] <didrocks> popey: hey, once you are around: are you on latest nux/unity (and if so, it's not crashing for you I guess, on the x220?)
[08:20] <popey> didrocks: morning!
[08:20] <popey> didrocks: I'm on saucy on my laptop, trusty on nvidia desktop
[08:20] <popey> so sure, can test latest of whatever on desktop
[08:26] <didrocks> popey: that would be excellent if you can confirm :)
[08:27] <popey> kk
[08:27] <didrocks> popey: or even maybe just a usb stick in live mode for the laptop?
[08:27] <didrocks> popey: I think testing on the x220 like that would be helpful :)
[08:29] <popey> I have been resisting moving to 14.04
[08:29] <popey> I will when I migrate to btrfs, probably on the weekend
[08:31] <didrocks> popey: yeah, so live usb seems to be the way to go for now :)
[08:32] <popey> didrocks: unity is fine on my trusty desktop
[08:32] <didrocks> ensure on the live that you have unity 7.1.2+14.04.20131106.1-0ubuntu2 and libnux-4.0-0 4.0.3+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu2
[08:32] <popey> ah
[08:32] <didrocks> popey: I'm interested on the x220 (hence the live usb so that you don't scratch your system)
[08:32] <didrocks> glew isn't used on nvidia
[08:32] <popey> ah
[08:33] <popey> meh
[08:33]  * popey moves to 14.04
[08:37] <didrocks> popey: just use a live session, don't break your laptop!
[08:37] <didrocks> :)
[08:37] <popey> I am outraged that you suggest upgrades don't work!
[08:43] <didrocks> ahah, I'm not. I just don't want you to end up in a session where you can't use your laptop :p
[08:45]  * popey installs gnome-shell ☻
[08:47] <didrocks> popey: heh, I fallbacked to it as well!
[08:53] <popey> The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade
[08:53] <popey> process.
[08:53] <popey> bah!
[08:54] <didrocks> argh, something else then ;)
[08:54] <didrocks> if you can note them :p
[08:54] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6784779/
[08:54] <didrocks> waow, more information on those?
[08:54] <didrocks> like overwriting files?
[08:55] <popey> apt-get -f install, it wants to pull in another truckload of packages
[08:55] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6784782/
[08:56]  * popey continues with teh configuring
[08:56] <didrocks> yep
[08:57] <didrocks> I'm pretty sur eyou had an overwrite
[08:57] <didrocks> which blocked
[08:57] <didrocks> (would be great to get your apt full logs of the previous update)
[08:57] <didrocks> once you finish your update ;)
[08:57] <popey> from dpkg.log?
[08:58] <popey> oh, there's a dist-upgrade log too, handy
[08:58] <didrocks> popey: /var/log/apt/term.log rather
[08:58] <didrocks> oh ;)
[09:28] <tsdgeos> fginther: the inexplicable otto crashes that went away are now back :'( https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/2150/?
[10:19] <vila> tsdgeos: fginther is not up and today is a US holiday IIUC, so better ping the vanguard in the topic line ;)
[10:19] <vila> tsdgeos: that said, a quick look in the log file (https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/2151/consoleFull) reveals :
[10:19] <vila> tsdgeos: /home/ubuntu/.xsession-errors: init: unity8 main process (7403) killed by SEGV signal
[10:19] <tsdgeos> i know
[10:20] <vila> tsdgeos: /var/log/syslog: Jan 20 09:34:02 trusty-amd64-20131210-1707 kernel: [842034.353231] QThread[30955]: segfault at 1cf16 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>01cf16 sp 00007f50255e0228 error 14 in unity8[400000+c000]
[10:20] <tsdgeos> i was not really asking for help
[10:20] <tsdgeos> i was just telling fginther
[10:20] <tsdgeos> it crashes
[10:20] <tsdgeos> just on those machines and noone else can reproduce
[10:20] <vila> tsdgeos: I didn't sync with fginther since Friday but I think it's a different issue
[10:20] <vila> ha
[10:20] <tsdgeos> this was happening a few weeks ago
[10:20] <tsdgeos> then it went away
[10:20] <tsdgeos> and now is back
[10:21] <vila> tsdgeos: unity8 crash ? (Making sure we're indeed talking about the same thing)
[10:21] <tsdgeos> yes
[10:22] <vila> ok, I didn't heard about that then, sorry
[10:23] <sil2100> huh
[10:23] <sil2100> After flashing to the latest image, it seems my unity-system-compositor dies
[10:24] <sil2100> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >'
[10:24] <sil2100>   what():  could not activate surface with eglMakeCurrent
[10:24] <sil2100> I guess it might be the same issue discussed?
[10:25] <tsdgeos> not sure
[10:25] <tsdgeos> can't find that line in any of the logs of the build
[10:25] <tsdgeos> but might be
[10:26] <sil2100> tsdgeos: actually, nevermind, misread the discussion just now ;) Carry on!
[10:28] <sil2100> ogra_: hm, I remember that on the meeting just now there has been some mention of mir session env variable not being set properly, yes?
[10:28] <ogra_> sil2100, for adb sessions, yeah
[10:29] <sil2100> ogra_: since u-s-c fails on my device after stating: Unable to set active session, unknown client name session-0
[10:29] <ogra_> that was fixed in 136
[10:32] <sil2100> I wonder why it's crashing here
[10:33] <ogra_> sil2100, thats an unmodified image 137 ?
[10:34] <ogra_> (system image that is ... we know the cdimage install seems to have issues, but thats lower prio)
[10:35] <sil2100> ogra_: system image, unmodified, 137 (just downloaded and installed) - maybe it's some user config data?
[10:36] <ogra_> shouldnt, but try the fix we are discussing in -touch since a while
[10:36] <ogra_> we know there seems to be a race with setting the QPA_PLUGIN var
[10:36] <ogra_> err, QPA_PLATFORM
[10:48] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, that fix helped - so it seems MIR_SOCKET thing was the problem
[10:49] <ogra_> yep, we see that in the test rrsults between 136 and 137
[10:50] <ogra_> thanks for confirming
[12:23] <silDroid> didrocks: had to jump out for a short while, my girlfriends dog is at the vet dying, so had to take her there so she can say goodbyes
[12:23] <silDroid> didrocks: but regarding ubuntu-keyboard
[12:23] <silDroid> didrocks: it seems its broken ;/
[12:23] <didrocks> silDroid: argh, just ping directly bfiller_away with those once he's around
[12:24] <didrocks> (probably tomorrow)
[12:24] <silDroid> didrocks: the new version just segfaults on start...
[12:24] <didrocks> silDroid: thanks for the catchup
[12:24] <rsalveti> ogra_: hey, did we already got an image after reverting the nested support?
[12:24] <ogra_> rsalveti, building ...
[12:24] <bfiller_away> silDroid: what are you testing? you need new seed if you're using new keyboard
[12:25] <didrocks> silDroid: you will be able to do the rest after a while
[12:25] <bfiller> ogra_: did you have a chance to look at the MR I sent you? https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty-keyboard-english/+merge/201879
[12:25] <didrocks> bfiller: isn't today a national holidays for you? :)
[12:25] <rsalveti> ogra_: great
[12:25] <ogra_> rsalveti, not really
[12:25] <didrocks> silDroid: as bfiller suggested, you installed all ubuntu-keyboard-<locale> packages, right?
[12:25] <bfiller> didrocks: yes but I'm working part of it anyway, capetown sprint going on..
[12:26] <ogra_> bfiller, sil2100 is on it ...
[12:26] <didrocks> bfiller: ah ok
[12:26] <silDroid> bfiller: hi! I was testing the ubuntu-keyboard from the ppa
[12:26] <ogra_> bfiller, he is testing your package changes first before i make the seed changes
[12:26] <bfiller> silDroid: make sure to install ubuntu-keyboard-english
[12:26] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure, just wanted a cdimage that could have a working shell at least
[12:27] <silDroid> bfiller: hm
[12:27] <rsalveti> but not sure anymore if that was because of the nested merge
[12:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, we'll land it again ... after the UI ordering issue is fixed i suppose
[12:27] <rsalveti> right
[12:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, though by experience that ight take another 8 weeks
[12:27] <silDroid> bfiller: will try, but then I guess we need to modify the packaging
[12:27] <rsalveti> yeah =\
[12:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, it was ... something is racy in setting MIR_SOCKET apparently
[12:28] <silDroid> bfiller: since it leads to a situation that without it installed (which can be done) it crashes on start
[12:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/ ... image 136 and 137 are identical ... no changes at all ... 137 has the same error messages as you reported ... 136 doesnt (and local tests here dont either)
[12:29] <silDroid> bfiller: I installed ubuntu-keyboard-polish, set the key language to polish in settings, rebooted and it was the same
[12:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm, right
[12:29] <bfiller> silDroid: you need to set the active-language key
[12:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, so it looks like cdimage hits that race condition harder
[12:30] <bfiller> silDroid: actually 2 keys need to be set
[12:30] <silDroid> bfiller: system settings doesnt do that when switching keyboard layouts?
[12:30] <bfiller> silDroid: it's not been updated yet, I talked to attente about it
[12:31] <bfiller> silDroid: gsettings set com.canonical.keyboard.maliit enabled-languages "['en','pl']"
[12:31] <bfiller> silDroid: gsettings set com.canonical.keyboard.maliit active-language pl
[12:32] <silDroid> bfiller: ok, I will try that once back, but I guess we'll have to wait with osk to be released with system-settings then, not to break existing functionality
[12:32] <bfiller> silDroid: the existing functionality in system settings doesn't work already
[12:32] <bfiller> silDroid: so don't know if we need to wait for it
[12:33] <bfiller> but fine with me
[12:41] <ogra_> rsalveti, cdimage part is done
[12:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: great, thanks
[12:52] <ogra_> didrocks, fyi ... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20140120.1.changes
[12:52] <ogra_> (seems we dragged in new e-d-s and a bunch of other bits
[12:52] <ogra_> )
[12:52] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, so we grabbed latest systemd as well
[12:53] <ogra_> yep
[12:53] <didrocks> let's see… :p
[12:53] <didrocks> the diff isn't published yet on system-image
[12:53] <didrocks> for mako
[12:53] <ogra_> yep, still running
[12:54] <didrocks> ogra_: I'm anxious now :)
[12:54] <ogra_> why ?
[12:54] <didrocks> well, I hope the image will be back in shape, e-d-s and systemd… let's see :p
[12:55] <ogra_> we built images for years like that :) 90% of them worked
[12:55] <didrocks> I think the pass rate is lower for touch though of promotable images :)
[12:55] <davmor2> didrocks: why do we have systemd installed? Is it just that half the components we need are integrated into it now?
[12:56] <didrocks> davmor2: we do have for sure udev coming from systemd
[12:56] <didrocks> systemd package itself, hum…
[12:56] <ogra_> davmor2, systemd swallowed all important plumbing sources
[12:56] <didrocks> ah, we do use logind
[12:56] <didrocks> davmor2: so that's why ^
[12:56] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah that is what I thought
[12:56] <ogra_> oh, wait, the binary shouldnt be there !"
[12:57] <ogra_> ah, only -services
[12:57] <ogra_> that might be for hostname changing
[12:57] <davmor2> ogra_: it isn't I just saw about pulling in systemd and wondered why sorry
[12:57] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, hostname (and maybe logind is using it too)
[12:57] <ogra_> right
[12:59] <davmor2> ogra_, didrocks: did you see the announcement that systemd is soon to start running gnome soon too (opt in/out, by all accounts)
[13:00]  * ogra_ only knows the discussion about that from 2 years ago
[13:01] <davmor2> ogra_: https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/iCNySJKFseo there was a better one somewhere on google plus too I think
[13:01] <ogra_> well,let them
[13:02]  * ogra_ doesnt care what gnome uses to be honest
[13:02] <didrocks> well, we do that with upstart as well, we have session support
[13:02] <didrocks> (but no kdbus)
[13:03] <ogra_> there we go
[13:03] <ogra_> [13:05] <didrocks> yeah \o/
[13:05]  * didrocks upgrades
[13:05] <didrocks> hum, should reset to vanilla config first
[13:06] <ogra_> nah, that tears out all excitement :P
[13:06] <didrocks> ahah :)
[13:07] <didrocks> I'm still unsure what I shold kill from /userdata
[13:07] <ogra_> just flasdh with --wipe/--bootstrap/--whatever-is-the-wiping-option-of-the-day
[13:07] <davmor2> ah infact here you go https://plus.google.com/115250422803614415116/posts/apZrj54GYee
[13:07] <didrocks> well, I would prefer to start being smarter :)
[13:08] <ogra_> pfft, your phones is already smart ...
[13:08] <didrocks> heh
[13:08] <didrocks> ok, trying to rm -rf /usrerdata/*, let's see what happens :p
[13:08] <didrocks> at worse, I'll reflash
[13:09] <davmor2> ogra_: it was smart with android it has to be smarter now it has ubuntu on right?
[13:10] <rsalveti> ogra_: cdimage on maguro still failing with 'Failed to load platform plugin "ubuntu". Available platforms are...'
[13:10] <rsalveti> with 138
[13:11] <ogra_> rsalveti, properly wiped ?
[13:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, flashed with -b
[13:12] <rsalveti> ogra_: trying to run with SF
[13:12] <rsalveti> let me see with mir now
[13:12] <ogra_> stacking issue is gone here on maguro
[13:12] <ogra_> account creation still has issues for me though
[13:13] <rsalveti> cool, worked with mir, let me try what slangasek said on that thread
[13:13] <didrocks> flash in progress here with -b
[13:13] <ogra_> rsalveti, he reverted that stuff in 135already
[13:13] <ogra_> err 136
[13:14] <davmor2> ogra_, didrocks: maguro still rebooting, mako bbc news installed
[13:14] <ogra_> 136 and 137 both have his change ...
[13:14] <ogra_> davmor2, did you try removing and re-adding the U1 account ?
[13:14] <didrocks> davmor2: I guess while we are getting a test for wifi, you will need a "wipe data and connect to a wifi hotspot, enter WPA/WEP"
[13:14] <davmor2> ogra_: no I'm going to try that on maguro
[13:15] <ogra_> hmpf, now system-settings doesnt even get me into accounts anymore
[13:15] <davmor2> popey: why is there a big gap at the top of the bbc news app
[13:15] <ogra_> thats where popey will place his ads soon ;)
[13:15] <popey> there is?
[13:15] <didrocks> hum, lot of failures when copying…
[13:16] <ogra_> didrocks, copying ?
[13:16] <didrocks> failed to copy '/home/didrocks/Téléchargements/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-dbad0141353e07914b8a6fdf462ac9a4e18994eb768c9f4a5c1d0e27e5500c5b.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': Is a directory
[13:16] <ogra_> wow
[13:16]  * didrocks retries
[13:17]  * ogra_ reboots again, i definitely cant create a U1 account here
[13:18] <ogra_> yay
[13:18] <didrocks> ok, passed it seems
[13:18] <ogra_> so after 3 reboots it allowed me to
[13:19] <davmor2> so I was able to remove the account and add it back again and managed to crash unity8 in the process
[13:19]  * ogra_ installs an app
[13:20] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, tried to check the qtubuntu package split, but it fails with both qtubuntu-android and qtubuntu-desktop
[13:21] <rsalveti> SF support is definitely broken
[13:22] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, then it is time to call it dead i guess
[13:22] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'm not that sure yet
[13:22] <ogra_> or do you want to invest time into it
[13:22] <rsalveti> I don't, but I know we had a plan to drop it
[13:22]  * ogra_ doesnt think it matters if we do it now or in two weeks
[13:23] <rsalveti> if so, we should just warn the porters and give them directions for proper mir support
[13:24] <ogra_> right
[13:24] <ogra_> i think the plan to drop SF was definite ...
[13:24] <ogra_> so i would say it doesnt matter if we drop it a few weeks earlier
[13:25] <ogra_> but thats an asac decision indeed
[13:25] <rsalveti> right, I know we want to drop it, but we wanted it to be planned :-)
[13:25] <rsalveti> not as a side effect :-)
[13:26] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, we would have to find out as side effect of *what* first
[13:26] <ogra_> which will eat time
[13:26] <ogra_> ... and then fix it as well ...
[13:27] <asac> keeping SF around was done because of phonedations team think it is a) cheap and b) useful for bringup... once it is a) expensive and b) not really useful anymore, I don't see a reason to keep it around
[13:27] <asac> :P
[13:27] <rsalveti> asac: sure, but we should first sync with the oem team
[13:27] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, both setting up wifi and associating an account works here
[13:27] <rsalveti> if they are ok, then fine
[13:27] <rsalveti> aka achiang
[13:27] <asac> rsalveti: yeah, we could check tomorrow on the sim call
[13:27] <ogra_> asac, b) is definitely always true
[13:28] <ogra_> going step by step via SF to Mir makes porting surely easier
[13:28] <didrocks> davmor2: popey: can you try image #138 and test it on maguro/mako?
[13:28] <ogra_> but it doesnt lok like a) is still cheap
[13:28] <asac> sure, but if SF doesnt deliver a UX that is anywhere useful, we dont need to support it anymroe in unity etc.
[13:28] <popey> didrocks: ya
[13:29] <asac> you can still bring up ubuntu touch
[13:29] <asac> and run an example app that works on SF for instance
[13:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, when did you try SF last ? can we even make out a point when it stopped ?
[13:29] <davmor2> didrocks: I am
[13:29] <didrocks> thanks popey, davmor2
[13:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: last week or sure, probably before the qtubuntu package split
[13:29] <didrocks> psivaa: tests started on #138?
[13:29] <ogra_> ok
[13:30] <ogra_> so we would only have to bisect a week
[13:30] <popey> davmor2: did you change the permissions on that spreadsheet?
[13:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: I know because I was using SF with 4.4
[13:30] <asac> http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch_sf4p/
[13:30] <ogra_> yeah, just remembered that
[13:30] <asac> seems it was last time safelyy green
[13:30] <davmor2> popey: nope
[13:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: and MIR support for it is still not merged
[13:30] <asac> fro build 121
[13:30] <popey> davmor2: i can't access it.. it's "comment only" for me
[13:30] <ogra_> asac, we're at 138
[13:31] <ogra_> thats quite a few images to check
[13:31] <asac> right. you asked if we know when ti was last working
[13:31] <asac> dashboard says 121 or maybe 124
[13:31] <ogra_> yeah, thannks
[13:31] <asac> 126 :)
[13:31] <ogra_> i had forgotten we still do sf tests
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: try it now
[13:32] <popey> thanks
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: it was on comment only but I hadn't touched it
[13:32] <popey> odd. nvm
[13:32] <asac> rsalveti: so what do you think?
[13:33] <asac> resurrect SF or good bye?
[13:33] <asac> can it even be resurrected? in particular with this nested stuff coming etc.
[13:33] <asac> what everyone surely agrees is that we shouldnt start hacking SF itself :)
[13:33] <rsalveti> asac: probably, but as I said, not my call, we should sync with people that are doing bringups
[13:34] <asac> rsalveti: ok lets suggest to achiang and folks tomorrow that we kill it and see
[13:34] <rsalveti> alright
[13:34] <asac> rsalveti: i think you could try answer this question yourself if you ask "would i be screwed if i dont have SF to bringup a N5"
[13:35] <asac> (assume you really shoot for MIR and are wiling to invest what it takes anyway)
[13:35] <rsalveti> asac: yeah, personally I'd prefer to invest my time with MIR
[13:36] <ogra_> yeah
[13:36] <ogra_> its just easier to get some success feedback with SF currently
[13:36] <ogra_> since it will just work
[13:36] <ogra_> (well, used to)
[13:37] <ogra_> while Mir needs extra work added
[13:37] <ogra_> but would likely be a good thing to get used to that extra work
[13:37] <ogra_> for us as well as for the porters
[13:37] <ogra_> (so we can answer their questions)
[13:45] <popey> didrocks: mako seems okay at first pass
[13:46] <didrocks> popey: great!
[13:56] <psivaa> didrocks: yes, tests are running with 138
[13:57] <ogra_> oh, and all 100%
[13:57] <ogra_> stop them now !
[13:58] <ogra_> :)
[13:58] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[14:14] <davmor2> popey: for you on your bbc new app do you see a grey block at the top of the app where the header should be (like a blank title bar)
[14:15] <ogra_> davmor2, hmm, might be the new webapp-container thingie
[14:15] <ogra_> did you try another webapp ?
[14:15] <davmor2> ogra_: no I'm just running tests now
[14:16] <davmor2> g+ is alright but that has it's own config iirc
[14:16] <ogra_> davmor2, i see it in all webapps apparently ... just checked
[14:16] <ogra_> G+ doesnt use the webbrowser-app webapp mode
[14:16] <ogra_> use IMBD
[14:16] <ogra_> or dict.cc
[14:16] <ogra_> thats definitely broken :(
[14:19] <davmor2> ogra_: indeed
[14:19] <ogra_> davmor2, see -touch ... talking to osomon
[14:29] <popey> davmor2: yes
[16:30]  * popey afk
[16:36] <davmor2> ohhh I want popey 's telepathy hat if he can type and not be at the keyboard
[16:47] <ogra_> i guess thats only a telepathic macro ... only says "afk"
[17:49] <sil2100> Ok, webbrowser-app is good
[17:50] <ogra_> let it in then :)
[17:51] <sil2100> Pushing ze button
[17:51] <sil2100> \o/
[19:11] <ogra_> [19:26] <asac> ogra_: did we get all blockers fixed in that?
[19:26] <asac> e.g. regressions are under control?
[19:36] <davmor2> asac: I think it fixes the blockers between this and reverting nested mir iirc
[19:38] <asac> davmor2: not sure i understand... i think you say "no, it doesnt fix all promotion blockers"
[19:38] <asac> what blocker do we expect to be still in?
[19:39] <davmor2> asac: No I think it fixes all the blockers
[19:39] <davmor2> asac: between reverting nested mir in 138 and the webbrowser-app fix in 139 I think all the blockers are fixed
[19:41] <davmor2> ogra_: do you know if didrocks was going to promote 139 if everything was fixed?
[19:41] <davmor2> asac: ^
[19:41] <davmor2> or are we looking to tomorrows images now?
[20:05] <popey> davmor2: i asked this and in all likelyhood we won't promote this one because the next one will arrive and we'll be testing in the morning
[20:06] <popey> but if it's good in the morning and the next one 140? is bad, then sure, we could
[20:25]  * popey updates to #139
[20:40] <asac> davmor2: didrocks would decide tomorrow morning based on findings