[00:04] <savid> Hi, I'm trying to re-install nagios.  I removed all traces of nagios from my server (including /etc/nagios3).   However, when re-installing nagios with apt-get,  it no longer creates the config files.  How can I make it cleanly install nagios?
[00:05] <qman___> savid, you need to apt-get purge the packages
[00:06] <savid> qman___,  yeah, I did that..  probably didn't do things in the right order though :-(
[00:07] <qman___> if you manually removed files, you didn't purge the right package
[00:07] <qman___> install all the packages you need, then find them with dpkg -l, and purge all of them
[00:07] <qman___> then the next time you install them, it'll recreate the configs
[00:08] <savid> qman___, I guess I'm not sure which are "all the packages I need".   I think it's just "nagios3"
[00:08] <qman___> probably nagios-common or similar
[00:08] <qman___> dpkg -l | grep nagios
[00:08] <qman___> will show all currently installed and previously removed packages which contain 'nagios'
[00:08] <savid> ahh, I see.
[00:10] <qman___> if that still doesn't show your culprit package, check the dependencies on packages.ubuntu.com
[00:10] <qman___> also, if you know which config files in specific are the problem, you can search what packages contain them
[00:10] <qman___> forget the command for that, I think it's apt-file or something
[00:12] <savid> damn.  shouldn't have manually removed the files. purge is failing for some packages.
[01:03] <NginUS> I notice that there's no /etc/apt/apt.conf file in 10.04 LTS although I configured for automatic security updates at install. Can I still make one to define Install-Recommends & Install-Suggests?
[01:03] <qman___> NginUS, check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[01:04] <NginUS> qman___: I see some files there, but none whose contents reflect what I expect to see in apt.conf. I'm confused & would love to see some docs but where?
[01:04] <qman___> add one in there
[01:05] <qman___> in the order you think it should be added
[01:05] <qman___> it works like rc.d, combines the files low to high to create the config
[01:06] <NginUS> qman___ : So the prefix numbers are what matters, not the filename in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d?
[01:06] <qman___> yes
[01:06] <skaet> arosales, Daviey - we may do a respin to pick up some ubiquity fixes ( https://launchpad.net/bugs/942560, and possibly https://launchpad.net/bugs/940908)  do you want to have the server images respun to pick it up?
[01:06] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 942560 in ubiquity "keyboard layout screen - Keyboard navigation broken" [High,Triaged]
[01:07] <qman___> not having done it before, I'd create one called 49recommends
[01:07] <NginUS> qman___ : Great to know, thanks
[01:07] <NginUS> ok
[01:07] <qman___> that may or may not be the optimal spot to put it, but that's my guess
[01:08] <skaet> NCommander, smoser,  ^^  any opinion?
[01:09]  * NCommander reviews
[01:10] <NginUS> qman___ : Now that I'm looking at these files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d with some understanding, it makes more sense of what I'm seeing, thanks again.
[01:10] <NCommander> skaet: alternate images don't share the revelent code. Respin shouldn't be necessary
[01:10] <skaet> Thanks NCommander.   :)
[01:10] <NCommander> Not a problem
[01:11] <NCommander> skaet: (we should respin all non-alternates though; thats a pretty delibating bug :-/)
[01:12] <skaet> NCommander,  we'll be doing it for the Ubuntu Desktop - I've got a query out to the leads of the flavors if they have the testers able to cope or not - before doing the respins for them.
[01:32] <adam_g> zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/nova/libvirt_refresh_2/+merge/95295
[01:33] <adam_g> zul: we should really try to get that patch upstream, its going to be a nightmare to maintain going forward
[01:33] <zul> adam_g: i was thinking that this week
[01:47] <adam_g> zul: gonna send a merge for keystone, too, with all the stuff ive done this week
[01:48] <zul> adam_g: ack
[02:36] <zul> adam_g: you are going to do keystone tonight?
[02:40] <adam_g> zul: just pushed lp:~gandelman-a/keystone/ksl-packaging
[02:41] <adam_g> zul: that gets a working service, with everything that has an sql backend configured to use it (added to the sql patch thats there)
[02:41] <zul> adam_g: so if i turn on the regular jenkins job tomorrow morning then we should be ok right?
[02:41] <adam_g> zul: no
[02:41] <zul> adam_g: what still needs to be done?
[02:42] <adam_g> zul: the charm isn't 100% yet, once its done (i think its pretty much done), we need to change some of the utility scripts we use in prep'ing the deployment for testing
[02:42] <adam_g> zul: and the nova and glance charms need a small update as well
[02:42] <zul> adam_g: ok
[02:42] <zul> adam_g: i totally intend to upload the e4 keystone on friday though
[02:43] <adam_g> zul: also, need to figure out whats become of the service token stuff im hoping that straightens itself out over night
[02:43] <adam_g> zul: ya, we will
[02:45] <adam_g> zul: about the packaging. theres stuff in keystone-manage for migrating older keystone databases, im not sure if we want to attempt to use that from postinst on upgrade (assuming it works)
[02:45] <adam_g> zul: i probably wont be able to test any  of that before friday, so if you want to go for it
[02:46] <zul> we dont do any user stuff in the postinst so i think we should put it in a readme
[02:46] <zul> adam_g: i just added your changes
[02:46] <adam_g> zul: well, i added the db_sync to postinst/configure like we do in nova
[02:47] <zul> adam_g: i mean explicitly keystone users like administrator
[02:47] <adam_g> zul: i guess the question is are we trying to support an upgrade path
[02:47] <zul> ill ponder it
[02:47] <zul> but its getting late for me
[02:48] <adam_g> zul: from previous keystone version in the archive.. or, is it assumed that anyone using this stuff is going to be installing for the first time
[02:48] <adam_g> yea. same, ttyl
[03:04] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943748 in glance (main) "Glance is missing dep on python-dateutil ( 2012.1~e4~20120224.1290-0ubuntu1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943748
[03:29] <roaksoax> adam_g: still around?
[05:12] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943798 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943798
[05:23] <p7ank5te7> Curious, does anyone know if you can use a USB Serial adapter or Serial PCI Add-on card as a console port for a server?
[06:42] <gdeeble> Curious, does anyone know if you can use a USB Serial adapter or Serial PCI Add-on card as a console port for a server? My on-board serial port just keeps dumping random letters like the settings are wrong but they match 100% the server and client machine.
[07:04] <SpamapS> gdeeble: in theory it should work...
[07:09] <znow> I have installed sendmail on my ubuntu server. Im using Webmin GUI for server overview. I got 2 domains for my server. When I create a new user, its email adress is for the domain I dont need, but I cant seem to change it? Ive updated virtuser and aliases in sendmail for the account, but still when i try to compose a email for the account, it uses the wrong domain, how can I change this?
[07:16] <rbasak> !webmin | znow
[07:18] <twb> znow: more info via Debian's bot http://paste.debian.net/158145/
[07:21] <SpamapS> znow: check out zentyal
[07:21] <SpamapS> but... sendmail.. wow
[07:22] <twb> IMO all WHCPs are crap and they all cause more problems than they ever solved
[07:22] <gdeeble> SpamapS Thank you. Maybe you can give me a little insite then, as It's not working right now. If I do the onboard, It gives me nothing but unlegible text(just random characters) like the client doesn't match the server but I've made sure it does. If I use the USB Serial Adapter, it works to show me the login but that's it. The Serial Card when booting causes the server to hang. It gets
[07:22] <gdeeble> to the point of saying "ttySx: detected caps 00000700 should be 00000100" x being what ever com port it sets to depending on if my OB is off or on. Any suggestions?
[07:22] <twb> You should learn the damn CLI
[07:23] <twb> gdeeble: try a different serial card
[07:24] <twb> SpamapS: what *would* be interesting is a WHCP-like UI on top of something like puppet...
[07:24] <gdeeble> twb, It's only if the grub is directing to push console data out it. Otherwise it picks up fine.   Sigh.
[07:25] <twb> gdeeble: have you tried telling grub to talk to serial, and not to use framebuffer, and not to talk to video console?
[07:25] <gdeeble> Not necessarily. I'm not exactly sure. I'm still new to all of this.
[07:26] <gdeeble> twb, do you mean by changing grub_terminal from console to serial?
[07:26] <twb> TBH I don't know, my response to "grub is at fault" is to replace grub with syslinux
[07:27] <twb> You'd want to look at /etc/default/grub and fiddle-fart around with that and /etc/update-grub.d/NN-script.sh or whatever it is, and then run update-grub to have that "compile" the grub config file in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:29] <SpamapS> twb: Puppet is selling "puppet enterprise" for that. ;)
[07:29] <gdeeble> Right, I have fiddled with the grub file in default, but didn't know about the script. I don't think it's grub but no idea how to tell. I followed the console serial how to, to get this far.
[07:29] <gdeeble> @twb ^^^
[07:30] <twb> SpamapS: haha
[07:30] <twb> SpamapS: and that landscape whatever stuff from canonical that I'm not interested in paying for
[07:30] <SpamapS> twb: Landscape is a little different really.
[07:30] <SpamapS> twb: more about supporting users than configuring services.
[07:30] <twb> SpamapS: all I know is the server side is closed source so that's automatic fail for me
[07:31] <twb> SpamapS: supporting users as in desktops?
[07:31] <SpamapS> twb: or remote servers
[07:31] <SpamapS> twb: but the point being, its not so much for a novice user with no skills.. its for streamlining an IT workflow
[07:31] <twb> Ah, I get you
[07:32] <twb> The right way to solve novice users is something like a rubber mallet and an actuator, and it triggers when you try to install X on the server
[07:32] <twb> bops the user over the head and says "no!  Bad user!"
[07:34] <gdeeble> haha
[07:36] <gdeeble> twb: So you're recommendation is if it isn't working replace it? Starting with the loader first?
[07:36] <twb> gdeeble: I just hate grub; I'm a grub bigot
[07:37] <twb> There are like twenty separate problems I regularly run into, like it deciding to install grub onto the USB key I'm running the installer off, not the HDD I just installed the OS to
[07:37] <twb> Whereas extlinux I install and it just works forever
[07:38] <gdeeble> twb: LOL, see this is my first linux project for home, but have an understanding of some of the command line and want to use the console so I can just plug the laptop in and reboot it and see everything verses dragging a monitor over to see the boot.
[07:39] <twb> Wait, console as in tty or console as in serial?
[07:39] <gdeeble> twb: tty over serial, if I'm not mistaking is what I'm trying to do.
[07:40] <twb> Why don't you just use the laptop's screen?
[07:40] <gdeeble> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto <- I followed this.
[07:40] <gdeeble> twb: You can laugh and say anything you'd like if I'm explaining this wrong. LoL
[07:41] <twb> serial console is the 9-pin port that you don't get on laptops anymore
[07:41] <rbasak> gdeeble: hmm. That document doesn't appear to cover grub2
[07:41] <twb> It looks a bit like a D-Sub (VGA) port except it has two rows of pins instead of three.
[07:42] <gdeeble> twb: Right. I understand. I have a USB to Serial Adapter for my laptop
[07:42] <gdeeble> rbasak: I followed the Karmic and Newer options.
[07:42] <rbasak> gdeeble: which release of ubunu server are you using on your server?
[07:42] <twb> gdeeble: well, OK, if you realyl want to do that.  Seems silly to me, compared to just using the onboard screen.
[07:43] <gdeeble> rbasak: 10.04 as far as Im aware.
[07:43] <twb> gdeeble: since the BIOS will not work over serial, and once the OS boots you can just use ssh
[07:43] <rbasak> gdeeble: oh now, I'm wrong. The document does cover it and you're using the right sectoin
[07:43] <twb> If you want to get the dmesg output for debugging prior to SSH being available, you can use netconsole to spew it as UDP to the network.
[07:43] <gdeeble> twb: What do you mean? Just hooking a monitor up to it? Or am I missing something? Because I want it to be headless, but want to see the start up.
[07:44] <twb> gdeeble: you said it was a laptop
[07:44] <twb> gdeeble: oh sorry, I misread you
[07:44] <gdeeble> twb: I want to use my laptop to view it.
[07:44] <twb> OK, right.  That makes a lot more sense.
[07:44] <rbasak> gdeeble: you've definitely got GRUB_TERMINAL and GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND correct in /etc/default/grub, and you've run update-grub?
[07:44] <gdeeble> twb: It's fine. I may have miss said it.
[07:44] <twb> The best way to have serial as the default console is to do the install over serial
[07:44] <twb> Then d-i will just set everything up correctly out of the box
[07:45] <twb> In the installer, hit F6 and add console=ttyS0 *after* the "--" argument
[07:45] <gdeeble> rbasak: Yes. I've enabled them. However, I am confused on the unit parameter, but I went with default like it showed. The main thing is the box hangs and doesn't show anything on the console when I have it going through the serial card.
[07:46] <twb> If the server also is using a USB adapter you might be able to use console=ttyUSB0 or you might have to set it up post-install
[07:46] <rbasak> gdeeble: unit corresponds to the port number I think
[07:46] <rbasak> gdeeble: if you're using a serial card, that line may need to be a bit different
[07:47] <gdeeble> twb: I have tried using the USB adapter on the server and got no errors nor any output but again it could be how I had it set up.
[07:47] <rbasak> gdeeble: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/serial.html#serial - you may need to use the port switch instead of the unit switch if your serial card is using a non-standard port
[07:47] <rbasak> gdeeble: I don't think that grub will work with a USB serial adapter
[07:47] <twb> gdeeble: if you have done a non-console (i.e. VGA) install, then dmesg output does not go to the serial by default.
[07:48] <rbasak> gdeeble: not sure about linux console output either. A login will work on it though
[07:48] <twb> rbasak: AIUI his USB adapter is not in the server, it's in his laptop
[07:48] <twb> rbasak: i.e. he has a normal 9-pin port on the back of his server, and is using a laptop and a USB adapter to talk to that
[07:48] <rbasak> I see
[07:48] <twb> ICBW though
[07:49] <rbasak> What's the serial card on the server about?
[07:49] <twb> NFI
[07:49] <rbasak> gdeeble: do you have a normal serial port on the server, or is a serial card the only way of having one? And which port is the serial card set to emulate? COM1 or COM3?
[07:49] <gdeeble> rbasak: What do you mean? Why is it there?
[07:49] <rbasak> (or something else?)
[07:50] <rbasak> gdeeble: yeah, why is it there? Is it that you don't have a built-in serial port, or something else?
[07:50] <gdeeble> Rbasak: I have com1(ttyS0) on board which just gives me unlegible data, like I've set the client side wrong(which I've made it mirror), then the computer is puting the serial card as S1 and S2
[07:51] <rbasak> gdeeble: you could try --unit=1 in /etc/default/grub then, which will try to use COM2 (the equivalent of /dev/ttyS1 perhaps)
[07:52] <twb> "unlegible data" is probably because you had the baud rate wrong or something
[07:52] <gdeeble> rbasak: To start, I didn't have the pigtail for the port as it only has the header for it. I got the serial card to replace that for the time being and finally got the header, but the header is kicking out just random characters like if the client side is set to different baud or something like that but I made sure it matched.
[07:52] <gdeeble> twb: I've confirmed both the server and client were matched at the same baud 115200.
[07:52] <twb> Instead of --unit=1 you could also try turning off the onboard serial port in the BIOS
[07:52] <gdeeble> I've tried to drop it down as well.
[07:53] <twb> gdeeble: fair enough
[07:53] <rbasak> So what the serial board is doing at the point grub is running is the old DOS 16-bit thing. It'll listen on some fixed hardware port, and fire interrupts on some fixed number
[07:53] <rbasak> (for each port)
[07:54] <gdeeble> twb: Tried that as well. Killed the OB and let it boot that way, which gave me no data and will detect the card and hang from there.
[07:54] <rbasak> COM1 corresponds to port 0x3f8. COM2 corresponds to port 0x2f8. I suspect that grub won't use serial interrupts so that won't matter.
[07:54] <rbasak> If you specify --unit=0 then grub will look for the port at 0x3f8
[07:55] <rbasak> If you specify --unit=1 then grub will look for the port at 0x2f8
[07:55] <rbasak> Or you can use --port then you can override that
[07:55] <gdeeble> I posted on a forum about this maybe if you look at the information posted there it can help? -> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/187114-console-via-pci-card-fails-boot.html
[07:55] <rbasak> It isn't clear to me what address your serial board is using for which physical port.
[07:56] <gdeeble> rbasak: ttyS0(OB) ->03f8 ttyS1(SC1) ->EC00 ttyS2(SC2) ->EC08
[07:57] <rbasak> gdeeble: you got that from where? The kernel log output?
[07:57] <gdeeble> The post might be a little off as I was playing with setserial during that time.
[07:58] <gdeeble> rbasak: I ran -> setserial -ga /dev/ttyS?
[07:58] <rbasak> gdeeble: that suggests to me that the board won't work with grub at all, since it has no PC serial port emulation
[07:58] <rbasak> gdeeble: well I suppose ec00 might be a valid PC port number
[07:59] <gdeeble> rbasak: So that is the breaker for that.
[07:59] <rbasak> gdeeble: you could try --port=0xec00 instead of --unit=0 in /etc/default/grub
[07:59] <rbasak> gdeeble: it doesn't look right to me though
[07:59] <rbasak> gdeeble: I'm also not sure if --port=0xec00 or --port=ec00 is correct
[08:00] <rbasak> gdeeble: do you know what UART your board uses?
[08:00] <gdeeble> rbasak: so change unit to port?
[08:01] <rbasak> gdeeble: yes, you might as well try it, though I'm not confident it'll work.
[08:01] <gdeeble> rbasak: 16c950/954 is what the card detects in kernel.
[08:02] <rbasak> Hmm. 16c950 is compatible apparently. So it's down to whether the board maps that to a standard I/O port or not
[08:03] <gdeeble> I'm trying as we speak to see if it will break or work.
[08:03] <rbasak> Try --port=0xec00 and --port=ec00
[08:03] <rbasak> (instead of --unit)
[08:03] <gdeeble> Trying ec00 first
[08:06] <gdeeble> Let me make sure I have the letters lower case.
[08:06] <gdeeble> It hung on boot so hopefully this will work though
[08:06] <rbasak> The fact that they're uppercase in your output but 03f8 is lowercase suggests to me that they aren't actually I/O port numbers and so it won't work.
[08:07] <gdeeble> No that was me just typing them. The show lower in the kernel log
[08:08] <gdeeble> Sloppy typing on my part :-X
[08:08] <znow> SpamapS: sendmail wow, why?....
[08:09] <znow> twb: what would you suggest instead of webmin then?
[08:09] <twb> Learning to use the damn CLI
[08:10] <znow> twb: erhh okay, not what I asked dude
[08:11] <znow> SpamapS: I have changed my hostname for my server, to the correct domain, but when I create an user account, it still maps to the other domain?
[08:11] <SpamapS> znow: sendmail is a dinosaur in my mind. postfix, exim, and qmail are all better choices.
[08:11] <rbasak> znow: I think few people have sendmail knowledge nowadays. It's not commonly used any more.
[08:12] <znow> rbasak: oh damn... well im just using it for an application though... and I need to map an account to the right domain... so I just though sendmail would do it..
[08:12]  * rbasak last used sendmail in around 1998.
[08:13] <twb> SpamapS: qmail only looks good compared to sendmail
[08:13] <rbasak> znow: it probably will do it, but if you need help then fewer people will be able to help you :)
[08:13] <twb> It should be postfix unless you have to deal with Debian/Ubuntu weirdos that area already used to exim4
[08:14] <SpamapS> twb: I said the same thing when it landed in my lap 7+ years ago.. but it was really impressive how stable it was, and how easy it was to configure.
[08:14] <rbasak> znow: postfix and exim are common nowadays. I'd use postfix for a simple task, but I'd use whichever is more popular in the channels that you get help from, and I don't know which that is.
[08:14] <gdeeble> rbasak: When it started it said error unrecognized number with ec00, with 0xce00 no error, but still hanging.
[08:14] <rbasak> I like qmail, and used it heavily in the past. But it doesn't play well with others, and it gets really obtuse when dealing with modern issues such as spam and backscatter. So I shun it nowadays.
[08:15] <SpamapS> rbasak: those issues are largely handled in some of the alternative distributions of it, since the license allows distributing patched versions.
[08:15] <SpamapS> rbasak: but postfix is just more broadly known.. so I too shun qmail. :p
[08:17] <rbasak> gdeeble: OK so 0xec00 (NOT 0xce00) is the right way to specify it to grub. I don't think this is a grub problem. Serial access in the 16-bit DOS world is really simple, and that's all that grub is using. It's whether your board supports this or not, and what port it maps the UART to. That's all there is to it, but I don't know the answer - sorry!
[08:18] <twb> The djb dance alone is enough to fail qmail IMO
[08:18] <rbasak> SpamapS: the last I knew about it, qmail specifically did not permit the distribution of patched versions. You had to distribute the pristine source and a patch. Has this changed? And I realise that patches have fixed a lot of the issues, but knowing which alternative to use really confuses the matter.
[08:19] <rbasak> And at that stage, are we talking about qmail, or qmail-<insert-your-preferred-fork-here>?
[08:19] <twb> NFI
[08:19] <SpamapS> rbasak: yes the license was changed
[08:19] <rbasak> SpamapS: ah. I think I left qmail for postfix before that happened. Haven't looked back since :-)
[08:20] <gdeeble> rbasak: I really appreciate you helping with this. Maybe you can come up with a solution for the ob port. :-P
[08:21] <rbasak> gdeeble: no problem
[08:25] <gdeeble> rbasak: Do you have any tips on what to check why I keep getting garbage output from the OB port?
[08:26] <rbasak> gdeeble: pinouts for motherboard serial connector pins vary. You might try and figure out which scheme your board is using and examine your pigtail carefully to verify.
[08:26] <rbasak> gdeeble: usually the sheet that comes with the motherboard tells you the pinout, and you should be able to google a DB9 serial pinout
[08:26] <znow> rbasak: SpamapS: okay - ill have a look at those, thanks.
[08:26] <znow> but for now..
[08:27] <znow> I just need the user to map to the correct domain
[08:27] <rbasak> znow: I have absolutely no idea how to do that with sendmail. I have much more of an idea with postfix and exim. I suspect others are the same, but you're welcome to keep asking for sendmail-specific help :)
[08:29] <znow> rbasak: well, maybe its not sendmail ... its just when I create a user, and I "read user mail", when I try to compose a mail it sets the sender to be the wrong domain?
[08:30] <SpamapS> znow: these are all trivial to solve in postfix
[08:30] <znow> SpamapS: trivial = easy?
[08:30] <SpamapS> I'm sure its trivial in sendmail.. if you know sendmail
[08:30] <SpamapS> znow: yes
[08:30] <znow> SpamapS: lovely, can I have postfix installed with sendmail?
[08:30] <znow> or do I need to get rid of sendmaiL?
[08:31] <gdeeble> rbasak: I feel like an idiot and almost guarantee I have the wrong adapter.
[08:33] <znow> SpamapS: ill just need to get some breakfast, then im back
[08:34] <SpamapS> znow: you can only have one of them. Actually I need to get more *sleep* .. so I leave you in the capable hands of #ubuntu-server. ;)
[08:34]  * SpamapS passes out
[08:51] <hex20dec> Hi everyone, I've setup SPF record from this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/SPF     and when I check the header in Gmail it's strill neutral. How do I get it to say "Pass"?
[09:06] <znow> What is a prefered free Web GUI for Ubuntu server? other than webmin?
[09:07] <Daviey> hey hey!
[09:07] <Daviey> morning folks.
[09:08] <hex20dec> znow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels
[09:08] <Daviey> znow: the only real free option is zentyal.
[09:08] <znow> hex20dec: cheers ill have a look
[09:08] <znow> Daviey: okay, 2 sek
[09:08] <Daviey> znow: TBH, i'd recommend NOT using a webui TBH
[09:08] <znow> Daviey: not what i am seeking
[09:08] <Daviey> znow: what are you looking for?
[09:08] <znow> Daviey: yes, but CLI instead yeah? well...
[09:09] <znow> Daviey: as I asked, looking for a webui similiar to webmin but better, and free
[09:09] <Daviey> znow: the console is not as scary as people think...
[09:09] <znow> Daviey: I know the console
[09:09] <znow> I just want a webui to overview stuff
[09:09] <hex20dec> Daviey: agree.
[09:09] <linocisco> I have dual boot ubuntu and windows7. on laptop. I deleted my ubuntu partitions from windows7 and now it didn't boot ended with Grub error. my CD drive is also not working. how could I fix with which command to make windows7 boot
[09:09] <hex20dec> znow: I hear you, it's good to have a webui regardless.
[09:10] <hex20dec> znow: Imho.
[09:10] <linocisco> I have dual boot ubuntu and windows7. on laptop. I deleted my ubuntu partitions from windows7 and now it didn't boot ended with Grub error. my CD drive is also not working. how could I fix with which command to make windows7 boot
[09:10] <linocisco> ?
[09:11] <hex20dec> linocisco: Get hiren's cd.
[09:11] <bluefrog_> linocisco tough luck...
[09:11] <linocisco> cd drive is not working
[09:11] <hex20dec> Well, you can mount it on USB.
[09:11] <bluefrog_> linocisco, sad
[09:12] <hex20dec> You can fix it with ease with Hirens.
[09:12] <hex20dec> Download it.
[09:12] <linocisco> Hirens on USB ? how to?
[09:13] <hex20dec> They have a tool to mount it to USB.
[09:13] <hex20dec> I'll link you.
[09:13] <hex20dec> One sec.
[09:15] <hex20dec> http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7018340/Hirens.Boot.DVD.15.1.Restored.Edition-PROTEUS
[09:15] <hex20dec> Actually.
[09:15] <hex20dec> Hold on.
[09:16] <hex20dec> linocisco: You can try this as well, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[09:16] <hex20dec> linocisco: But the link I gave you before is not good, don't use it.
[09:17] <linocisco> where could I download Hirens on USB ?ok
[09:17] <hex20dec> http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd-on-usb-disk
[09:17] <hex20dec> They have a special tool for it, as I stated before.
[09:19] <hex20dec> Hi everyone, I've setup SPF record from this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/SPF     and when I check the header in Gmail it's still neutral. How do I get it to say "Pass"?
[09:26] <linocisco> hex20dec, there are so many tools under hirens. which tool and which command I should run?
[09:27] <hex20dec> linocisco: That's the beauty of it, when you download it, you have so many tools for the long run in case your computer breaks down.
[09:27] <hex20dec> Well, you go into partitions.
[09:28] <hex20dec> And you will see a bunch of options.
[09:28] <linocisco> hex20dec, yes. like Norton Partition magic. with which i can see partitions. and then what? I do not wanna lose my data
[09:28] <linocisco> ok bro. let me try fixing mbr first.
[09:28] <hex20dec> Yeah.
[09:28] <hex20dec> Uhmm.. I actually tackled the same exact problem not long ago.
[09:28] <hex20dec> I used easus partition manager.
[09:28] <hex20dec> Fixed it.
[09:30] <hex20dec> And by the way, if losing your data was an option I'd tell you to go the easy way and format, lol.
[09:30] <hex20dec> So, don't worry.
[09:31] <rbasak> hex20dec: does your SPF record end in "-all"?
[09:31] <rbasak> hex20dec: actually never mind. That's probably not what you're asking.
[09:32] <znow> hex20dec: sorry for the delay, yeah
[09:32] <znow> hex20dec: what would you suggest mate?
[09:32] <hex20dec> I use webmin, it does it all.
[09:32] <hex20dec> But I use console more.
[09:32] <hex20dec> Webmin is jsut there.
[09:33] <znow> hex20dec: okay, but Im being told that webmin is outdated and not as good as others?
[09:34] <hex20dec> znow, Don't take my word for these things, as I'm new to the scene as well. For me, it helped me with my stuff.
[09:34] <znow> hex20dec: cool okay
[09:36] <gdeeble> rbasak: Thanks again. I repinned the header and low and behold, Serial port on board working. Apparently, I grabbed 1 from my really old pile ;) and it pins 6-9 are even numbered wires on the adapter ;) haha
[09:36] <rbasak> gdeeble: excellent!
[09:38] <gdeeble> rbasak: I would have never thought to check that, as even with dealing with computers for as long as I have, never knew serial cables came with different pinouts hehehe. Problem resolved, this box can now go back to it's corner again :-P
[09:38] <rbasak> gdeeble: headless servers FTW :-)
[09:41] <gdeeble> Si. Now as my next project, convert the old WRT54G to a Serial 2 Network adapter that I can port forward to play with out of network hahaha
[09:49] <onre> gdeeble, dunno if you're aware of these devices, which do roughly the same thing: http://tibbo.com/
[09:49] <onre> damn
[09:49] <onre> first time in all these years i almost had an opportunity to discuss serial-to-ethernet, but then he timed out :p
[10:00] <p7ank5te7> onre: I'm still here.
[10:00] <p7ank5te7> No I didn't know about that.
[10:04] <jamespage> morning all
[10:37] <koolhead17> hello jamespage
[10:47] <lynxman> morning o/
[10:48] <samba35> morning
[10:53] <Tm_T> any recommendations for tools for reading database dumps? normal text editors are bit cloumsy
[10:56] <OZ8AAZ> Tm_T: grep...
[10:56] <OZ8AAZ> ...or perhaps you're looking for something like Percona Toolkit? (mysql, that is)
[10:56] <Tm_T> OZ8AAZ: yeah, I've been grepping (:
[10:57] <Tm_T> perhaps I'll do some sed magic too
[10:57] <OZ8AAZ> Tm_T: and awk too? :)
[10:57] <Tm_T> ye
[10:57] <OZ8AAZ> :)
[10:59] <Tm_T> looks like all db browser tools expect having running database server, which I've been trying to avoid
[11:19] <OZ8AAZ> Tm_T: but u wanna inspect a dump, yes?
[11:22] <Tm_T> OZ8AAZ: yeah, did find what I was looking for with grep (:
[11:22] <Tm_T> -o switch saved the day
[11:23] <OZ8AAZ> do tell... ;)
[11:24] <Tm_T> I rarely have to care what kind of data db contains as long as it's working and uptodate so takes some time to find a way to work with these when I need to
[12:09] <koolhead17> nijaba: just came to know your coming for ubuntucloud day!! :)
[12:09] <jamespage> SpamapS, reviewing/testing your MP for iso-testing now
[12:12] <koolhead17> in banglore, india :D
[13:06] <TeTeT> how do I correctly specify a template for lxc-create on Precise? sudo lxc-create -t lxc-ubuntu and sudo lxc-create -t ubuntu both fail for me
[13:27] <jamespage> TeTeT, don't you need a -n XXX as well?
[13:28] <jamespage> the template name is def ubuntu tho
[13:28] <jamespage> or ubuntu-cloud which uses the cloud tarball instead of debootstrap
[13:29] <jamespage> SpamapS, we need to discuss next steps for putting reboot testing live
[13:36] <TeTeT> jamespage: weird, works fine now: $ sudo lxc-create -n test -t ubuntu -f /etc/lxc/lxc.conf  - thanks
[13:58] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #813400 in apt (main) "lxc-create -t ubuntu complains about /dev/pts" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813400
[14:11] <Vivek> #linux-india
[14:11] <Vivek> Sorry typo.
[14:27] <hggdh> Daviey: I have proposed a fix for 943000, need a review and sponsorship (if applicable, of course0
[14:28] <Daviey> bug 943000
[14:28] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 943000 in cobbler "update to system fails with  Exception value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'os_version'" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943000
[14:29] <Daviey> hggdh: why are you using images without a distro?
[14:32] <Daviey> jamespage: How long would it take you to do the iscis test for beta?
[14:33] <hggdh> Daviey: why not? it is a valid usage
[14:33] <Daviey> hggdh: right, just wondered why..
[14:33] <hggdh> and it is not so much that I am using images without distro...
[14:34] <hggdh> the *code* itself makes a call to the method with distro=None
[14:34] <Daviey> ah
[14:34] <Daviey> hggdh: Were is the patch?
[14:34] <hggdh> Daviey: proposed for merge in bug 943000
[14:34] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 943000 in cobbler "update to system fails with  Exception value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'os_version'" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943000
[14:35] <Daviey> hggdh: you don't need to delete MP's to make an amendment :)
[14:35] <jamespage> Daviey: about 1 hour I think
[14:36] <hggdh> Daviey: I did not think I needed, but this early in the morning I am not reliable to find solutions for dumb problems
[14:37] <Daviey> hggdh: missing a bzr add ?
[14:37] <Daviey> hggdh: heh
[14:38] <Daviey> jamespage: is that something you could crack out today?
[14:38] <smoser> good morning.
[14:39] <hggdh> Daviey: heh
[14:39] <Daviey> smoser: good afternoon
[14:39] <smoser> silly time zone
[14:40] <Daviey> smoser: we invented time, respect us for it.. kkthnx
[14:40] <roaksoax> morning
[14:44] <fommil> Hi all, I am using LTS and I just updated apache2 via aptitude. The 'deflate' module now breaks some of my hosted glassfish applications! Is this a known bug (workaround is to turn off deflate, but that hits my bandwidth)
[14:57] <smoser> roaksoax, ping
[14:57] <roaksoax> smoser: pong
[14:57] <smoser> pm
[14:58] <smoser>  /query
[15:00] <lynxman> jamespage: ping
[15:30] <zul> ivoks: ping you have a typo in your merge proposal
[15:31] <jamespage> lynxman, ping - sorry was testing iscsi
[15:32] <lynxman> jamespage: no worries, was just wondering if you could give me some tips in launchpad daily builds :)
[15:32] <lynxman> jamespage: I see how I can create the recipe for it, I don't see how I can pull upstream each day and build a new version
[15:33] <jamespage> lynxman, so the upstream needs to be in a bzr branch
[15:33] <jamespage> you can do this even if they are not on launchpad
[15:33] <jamespage> create the project on launchpad and add the upstream vcs source - it will then get imported regularly
[15:33] <jamespage> see jenkins for an example
[15:33] <jamespage> or hadoop or zookeeper
[15:34] <jamespage> Daviey, lynxman: I see ipxe can iscsi boot - that might help with iscsi testing
[15:34] <lynxman> jamespage: will have a look at any of those then, thank you very very much
[15:35] <Daviey> jamespage: good thinking!  I didn't thnk the current framework could support two kvm instances tho?
[15:35] <jamespage> Daviey, it does not need to
[15:35] <Daviey> jamespage: I'm intrigued...
[15:35] <jamespage> I don't do it with two kvm instances
[15:36] <jamespage> I run tgt on my laptop and setup the targets so they can be seen on the libvirt network that the kvms are on
[15:37] <Daviey> jamespage: right.. but for jenkins jobs?
[15:37] <jamespage> Daviey: BTW just marked the JeOS on KVM test cases as passed - they get auto tested
[15:37] <jamespage> Daviey, the server running the test cases can act as the iscsi target
[15:37] <jamespage> in the same way my laptop does
[15:38] <Daviey> jamespage: good thinking!
[15:39] <jamespage> If I could inject iPXE DHCP boot options into the libvirt dnsmasq instances it would JUST work....
[15:39] <jamespage> an be minimal effort to implement
[15:39]  * jamespage scratches his chin...
[15:39] <jamespage> do we have ipxe on oneiric?
[15:47] <Daviey> jamespage: yes
[15:48] <Daviey> jamespage: you could also use a ipxe rom, and declare it as a boot param.
[15:49] <jamespage> I need to pass it options - just trying to figure out how!
[15:54] <jamespage> oh - that actually works!
[15:54] <jamespage> iscsi boot with no TFTP!
[15:55] <Daviey> \o/
[15:56] <jamespage> authenticated and unauthenticated!
[15:58] <Daviey> jamespage: so can we test the initiator ?
[15:58] <jamespage> Daviey, at the moment you have to go through this painful step of shuting down the KVM instance
[15:59] <jamespage> mounting its target; grabbing the kernel + initrd (which has the target details in it)
[15:59] <jamespage> and then restarting again
[15:59] <jamespage> if we could get it to iscsi boot using iPXE that step is no longer require
[15:59] <jamespage> ipxe just grub boots off the iscsi volume
[16:00] <Daviey> jamespage: ok, sounds like you have it inhand
[16:00] <Daviey> :)
[16:00] <koolhead17> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/769503
[16:00] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 769503 in linux "KVM network I/O degraded using virtio and freezes guest sometimes" [Medium,Fix committed]
[16:01] <koolhead17> it says fix commited means its fixed and we are not going to face it in precise
[16:02] <hallyn> koolhead17: fix is in kernel
[16:02] <koolhead17> awesome cheers!1 :)
[16:02] <hallyn> (i.e. pls ask on #ubuntu-kernel if there's a problem like it got dropped, i have no control over that)
[16:03] <hallyn> agreed it looks like it's been sitting a long time
[16:03] <hallyn> i suspect it snuck in through upstream since then?
[16:03] <hallyn> but then, you're probably pinging me bc you ran into it?  :)
[16:03] <koolhead17> its on maverick a friend
[16:04] <hallyn> ah
[16:04] <ruben23> hi guys is it possible two ubuntu server and sync a directory on the other server directory also, and whatever chnages on each other directory it will be the same for both
[16:05] <hallyn> you mean something other than nfs/cifs/sshfs?
[16:05] <ruben23>  hallyn:the easiest way to implement..? you cna suggest
[16:06] <hallyn> it depends.  if it's just you, i'd say sshfs.  But probably i'd say nfs is easiest
[16:06] <hallyn> just install nfs-kernel-server on the one, nfs-client on the other, edit /etc/exports on the first, mount on the second
[16:07] <ruben23>  hallyn:hmm havent tried it do you have some how t link on it.>?
[16:09] <hallyn> should be on the server guide
[16:09] <hallyn> !serverguide
[16:09] <hallyn> (i dnt' have any other links offhand)
[16:12] <SpamapS> jamespage: sure, our time zone skew messes with that quite a bit, so we should plan ahead. Are you available now?
[16:13] <SpamapS> jamespage: (re next steps for getting reboot testing live)
[16:14] <jamespage> SpamapS, sure
[16:15] <new3432> I am setting up 10 computers in a lab to print to an IPP printer.  My question is this, if i don't care about restricting how/when people can print, what is the win of making the clients use a cups printer on ubuntu server (and having ubuntu submit the jobs) as opposed to simply attaching them to the IPP printer url directly?
[16:15] <jamespage> SpamapS, so; now that the code changes are in the main project
[16:16] <jamespage> I need a branch containing the reboot tests; I think that you already have this (I branched something from launchpad this morning todo some testing for the reboot bits)
[16:16] <jamespage> but it would be good to get it tidied up
[16:18] <SpamapS> jamespage: right, lp:~clint-fewbar/+junk/server-tests-reboot
[16:18] <SpamapS> jamespage: and it definitely needs a bit of review
[16:18] <jamespage> thats the one - I had to tweak the run_test script to make it work
[16:19] <SpamapS> jamespage: I was able to use it as-is locally, but perhaps I was skipping steps.. ;)
[16:19] <jamespage> hmm
[16:20] <jamespage> my KVM instances struggled to talk with couchdb - the python kept borking
[16:20] <jamespage> SpamapS, it was fairly minimal - http://paste.ubuntu.com/863660/
[16:21] <dch4pm4n> Can someone suggest the latest Amazon Ubuntu AMI that support FUSE and mounting remote directories with SSHFS? I currently have ebs/ubuntu-images/ubuntu-maverick-10.10-amd64-server-20101007.1 (ami-548c783d) which does not have/support FUSE.
[16:22] <SpamapS> jamespage: oi.. I had that problem too.. and I have almost the same diff here uncommitted.. *whoops*
[16:22] <jamespage> SpamapS, lol
[16:22] <SpamapS> plural confusion FTW
[16:23] <SpamapS> jamespage: so ideally that can be merged into the precise tests, and then we'll keep doing things basically the same way, except on the lamp-reboot test, which will install lamp *after* installation, and then reboot, and verify that all services are still running
[16:23] <jamespage> SpamapS, ah - so this is just an extra server test - thats fine.
[16:23] <jamespage> makes sense
[16:24] <jamespage> I which case can you raise a MP against: lp:~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/+junk/server-tests-precise
[16:25] <SpamapS> jamespage: well the run_test change is also necessary
[16:25] <jamespage> SpamapS, yep - that sits in the branch as well
[16:25] <jamespage> its specialised for each set of tests
[16:26] <jamespage> desktop does different stuff
[16:26] <SpamapS> jamespage: ahh ok
[16:26] <SpamapS> dch4pm4n: hang on I'm checking ..
[16:26] <jamespage> also means we can do different things with libvirt configuration etc...
[16:28] <dch4pm4n> SpamapS: LOL please don't say 7.04
[16:28] <SpamapS> dch4pm4n: HAH no I am checking my 11.10 EC2 instance to see if fuse works there
[16:29] <SpamapS> CONFIG_FUSE_FS=y
[16:29] <SpamapS> dch4pm4n: 10.10 support ends in < 2 months.. perhaps try 11.10 ?
[16:29] <dch4pm4n> what config is that from?
[16:29] <dch4pm4n> Yes. I will try 11.10
[16:30] <SpamapS> dch4pm4n: thats from 11.10's kernel
[16:30] <dch4pm4n> kk, that's what I thought, but didn't want to assume
[16:30] <dch4pm4n> Thanks, SpamapS
[16:31] <dch4pm4n> SpamapS: One more thing. What's your AMI ID? :-)
[16:32] <SpamapS> dch4pm4n: you can get it using ubuntu-cloudimg-query on 11.10 or later, or if you don't have that utility, http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[16:32] <dch4pm4n> well, nvm I'll just use the latest ones clound.ubuntu.com/ami... setting up east and west slave and master failover
[16:33] <SpamapS> lol.. that defaults to 'maverick' ..
[16:33]  * SpamapS opens an RT ticket to get that fixed
[16:33] <dch4pm4n> What defaults to maverick?
[16:33] <SpamapS> Ooo it has a launchpad project
[16:33] <dch4pm4n> Ohhh
[16:33] <SpamapS> dch4pm4n: the search on that page
[16:33] <dch4pm4n> that link
[16:55] <SpamapS> jamespage: ok, actually there were 12 revisions I hadn't pushed yet
[16:56] <SpamapS> jamespage: and junk branches don't allow merge proposals
[16:57] <SpamapS> jamespage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/863718/
[17:04] <SpamapS> jamespage: http://chzb.gr/wXDqbe
[17:08] <jamespage> SpamapS, lol - looking now
[17:10] <jamespage> SpamapS, testing now for regressions....
[17:11]  * jamespage is slightly worried by the fact that there are two people in the channel who's nick starts with Spanky
[17:11] <SpamapS> jamespage: Spanky99, and Spanky, son of Spanky99
[17:12]  * SpamapS gets all emotional thinking that he'll get to see Timmet son of Timmet and Chagga wandering King's Landing in just a month when HBO starts running GoT again
[17:19] <memoryleak> Hi. I'm using Paralells to install Ubuntu Server 11.10 and I can't get the install work with my DHCP Server. I've set up network to bridget and selected proper network interface. Any ideas?
[17:22] <azertyu> hi
[17:22] <azertyu> i just reboot my  server
[17:22] <pmatulis> ok
[17:22] <azertyu> i got this error
[17:22] <azertyu> The disk drive for /tmp is not ready yet or not present.
[17:22] <azertyu> is not ready /home /boot /bin /tmp is not yet ready
[17:22] <bananapie> I installed a new driver on my server, it appears in /lib/modules/kernelversion/updates, trouble is the kernel is not loading the new driver when it boots. HOw can I check lsmod which module was loaded and how can I change which one it loads ?
[17:22] <azertyu> everything is not yet ready
[17:23] <azertyu> how i can troubleshoot this error ? *
[17:26] <azertyu> anyone there ?
[17:26] <SpamapS> azertyu: do you have all of those on separate disks from the root?
[17:26] <SpamapS> azertyu: please be patient, it may take *hours* to get a good answer. Don't expect instant answers.
[17:27] <azertyu> no
[17:27] <azertyu> there is no separate disks from root
[17:27] <azertyu> after googling i can see its an major using ubuntu on server
[17:27] <azertyu> problem
[17:30] <azertyu> hello
[17:30] <azertyu> can't understand ?
[17:33] <SpamapS> azertyu: *PATIENCE*
[17:34] <SpamapS> azertyu: what version of Ubuntu Server?
[17:34] <azertyu> lucid ?
[17:35] <SpamapS> azertyu: ok, can you boot into a recovery console?
[17:37] <smb> smoser, around?
[17:37] <azertyu> reboot  recovery console in progress
[17:37] <smoser> smb, here.
[17:38] <smb> smoser, Just to get back about that stuck cpu you were pinging me yesterday. Has that happened more often?
[17:39] <azertyu> what i have to do once after reboot from recovery mode ?
[17:39] <smoser> smb, i only booted the thing once.
[17:39] <smoser> i can launch another and let you poke at it if you'd like.
[17:39] <smoser> that was a cc2.8xlarge
[17:39] <smoser> wait. no, that happened on the cg1.4xlarge.
[17:39] <smoser> the cc2.8xlarge came up fine.
[17:40] <smoser> (only one boot, though, not  much for a sample)
[17:40] <smoser> and thank you for following up, smb
[17:40] <SpamapS> azertyu: you should check that your filesystems have the right UUID's by running 'blkid /dev/xxxx' and comparing to /etc/fstab
[17:41] <smb> smoser, At least more vcpus than I usually see. I think we should see how that comes out with more boots. The strange thing I see is that vcpu#0 seems stuck in processing softirqs
[17:41] <smb> smoser, The ip does not change, but the place it is is nothing that could get stuck really
[17:41] <smoser> smb, i'll launch you an instance.
[17:42] <smb> smoser, I am wondering whether this just was one weird case where one vcpu just was not getting cycles from the hv
[17:42] <smoser> well, i suspect that a cg1.4xlarge is pretty much single occupant.
[17:42] <smoser> at most it would be 2 occupant.
[17:42] <smoser> it has 2 tesla graphics cards and 64G memory.
[17:43] <smb> smoser, Depending on how many phyisical cores/hts there are it would be shared possibly only with dom0
[17:44] <smb> smoser, It is strange though to be not progressing for about a minute
[17:44] <gnome> anyone around?
[17:45] <smb> smoser, Another case where I wished I could not only look at the guest... :/
[17:45] <smoser> smb, you can poke. i'll aunch an instance.
[17:45] <smoser> do you want me to ?
[17:45] <gnome> so i can't figure out how to login to my nodes... :(
[17:46] <smb> smoser, No, it is ok. I am not sure I will see much I fear... :( But let me know when this happens again in testing
[17:46] <smoser> yeah.
[17:46] <smoser> smb, well, to be honest, we don't launch those that often.
[17:46] <smoser> or really any of the hvm.
[17:47] <smoser> i just did it yesterday to test something ,a nd also to at least sniff the beta-1 candidate.
[17:47] <azertyu> what key i have to hold to display the grub menu ?
[17:47] <smb> smoser, It tends to get scary on the credit card bill :) Well I will in parallel try to set up my test box with a precise hvm using all available cores
[17:48] <smb> azertyu, left shift (at the right time)
[17:48] <smoser> smb, well, its $0.60 right now as a spot instance
[17:48] <smoser> that is what i did yesterday
[17:49] <smb> smoser, Ah ok, not as bad as huge memory ones then
[17:49] <gnome> I can't ssh to my nodes... well pardon me, I can, but user pwd, and for some reason the master didn't setup login creds.  I can't login to nodes. not even from node directly. what am i doing wrong.
[17:49] <smoser> well, in the spot instance prices, everything is reasonable.
[17:49] <smoser> the cc2.8xlarge is $0.54
[17:50] <azertyu> SpamapS:  i got the same error even choosing the recovery mode
[17:50] <azertyu> press s to skip
[17:51] <azertyu> m to manual recovey
[17:51] <azertyu> what to do ?
[17:52] <smb> smoser, Ok, so not really a price issue. Guess I will try a few boot attempts of my own then, tomorrow. And see to have a decent setup locally
[17:53] <smoser> i keep dreaming that someday you'll have something even in that price range that is bare metal
[17:53] <smoser> that woudl really rock.
[17:55] <smb> smoser, We'd miss so many nice issues... :-P
[17:55] <jamespage> SpamapS, that all looks good - but I'm going to let beta-1 out of the door before I push :-)
[17:58] <jamespage> Daviey: I just discovered ipxe scripting.... anything is possible now!
[17:59] <SpamapS> azertyu: m should let you do the same thing.. verify the uuids
[17:59] <SpamapS> jamespage: sounds good. :)
[17:59] <jamespage> SpamapS, it rocks - no more filename="pxelinux.0"
[17:59] <azertyu> where would you like to very the uids ?
[17:59] <azertyu> when everything not working proerly
[18:00] <azertyu> i can't even access to /etc/fstab
[18:00] <azertyu> it says file missing
[18:18] <Daviey> jamespage: Hmm, it might now work in Oneiric...
[18:18] <Daviey> jamespage: I encountered an issue before precise current
[18:18] <SpamapS> azertyu: sounds like your system is having trouble even finding the root partition.
[18:18] <Daviey> (which was why he had a new upstream version)
[18:19] <Daviey> jamespage: The really neat thing is that you don't need to bundle the script into the binary.. that is quite new.
[18:20] <adam_g> zul: still the same error with those changes
[18:21] <zul> wtf
[18:31] <zul> adam_g: ok doing another build now
[18:34] <adam_g> zul: where are you installing the packages you build?
[18:34] <zul> adam_g:locally
[18:35] <zul> adam_g: should be fine now
[18:49] <zul> adam_g: holy crap that takes its time
[18:53] <adam_g> zul: what does?
[18:53] <zul> the essex deploy-test
[18:55] <adam_g> zul: 16 min not so long considering what its doing :)
[18:55] <zul> true
[18:56] <adam_g> zul: however, pointing my browser at the dashboard node gets a Internal Server Error
[18:59] <zul> adam_g: grrr....gimme a sec
[19:03] <zul> adam_g: once the horizon builds try that one please
[19:05] <adam_g> zul: just fire off another deploy test and point your browser to wherever it got deployed (usually test-10/<IP_ADDRESS>)
[20:07] <tyska> hi guys, i need to send a remote reboot command to one server, just one command like ssh user@host sudo reboot, but i'm not getting to do this - can u help me with that?
[20:07] <ivoks> zul: yeah, i've noticed
[20:08] <Owner> tyska ~# you cannot reboot without loggin in as root
[20:08] <Owner> tyska ~# or having passwordless sudo or something for the user you login as
[20:08] <Owner> tyska ~# or having the user you login as in the power or powerdev group...or some other important group
[20:09] <Owner> uhhhgg why am i in ubuntu-server....i hate ubuntu
[20:09] <gnome> ya no doubt
[20:09] <gnome> been trying to use their new 11.10 with deploy clusters.
[20:09] <gnome> and ya k, i seem to beable to do what they try to auto mate faster just by hand.
[20:11] <gnome> and get lockouts , like zero answers to why i may not be authenticating properly with pxe booting, i guess I'll break down and do disk install on them once to see if it's just ub bugging out like normal.
[20:11] <gnome> 3days i been looking for info / answer to what issue i am having and all you see is how to install this or that. and not really anything pertaining to finalization of server. perhaps these are odd questions. sry.
[20:28] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: FYI, I've pushed the mysql security updates to -proposed, and have sent out a call for testing
[20:32] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: thanks I'll echo your call for testing!
[20:32] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: cool, thanks!
[20:33] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: I patiently await the hate mail and the social network beatdown :)
[20:37] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: I think we've done enough due dilligence at this point that we are rubber and Oracle is glue.
[20:38] <mdeslaur> hehe
[20:38] <lifeless> SpamapS: orabuntu?
[20:40] <SpamapS> lifeless: Linux for Unbreakable Human Beings
[20:40] <lifeless> SpamapS: thats a movie, right ?
[20:49] <roaksoax> zul: ping
[20:49] <zul> roaksoax: pong?
[20:49] <roaksoax> zul: so quick question... I was looking into the horizon packaging you did, and I'm just wondering what should go on python-django-whatever and what in the whatever package?
[20:50] <zul> roaksoax: python-django-whatever has the py stuff eveything else is in the whatever package
[20:54] <SpamapS> jcastro: http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/winter-is-coming.jpg?cb5e28
[20:57] <roaksoax> zul: right, but I see in the horizon source, that openstack-dashboard has py stuff too
[20:57] <roaksoax> urls.py views.py etc
[20:57] <zul> roaksoax: horizon is basically two apps
[20:58] <zul> roaksoax: better example might be django-mumble
[20:58] <roaksoax> zul: yeah looked at it and the same thing :)
[21:23] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #829880 in juju "object store doesn't like key with '/' " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829880
[21:33] <delinquentme> in order to ssh to a remote machine ... to copy files ... do I need to copy over .pem s first or should SCP/rsync work right out of the box?
[21:33]  * delinquentme has a ec2 ubuntu instance hes trying to move local files up to
[21:48] <gary_poster> hallyn, hi.  We found another overlayfs issue yesterday that means xvfb does not work.  The xvfb error comes down to the fact that, in an overlayfs, you can't hard link a file with a permission of 0444.  See line 17 of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/864198/
[21:49] <gary_poster> hallyn, (1) where did you say that aufs question was going to be sent? :-) I didn't see it
[21:49] <hallyn> i think it went to ubuntu-devel
[21:49] <gary_poster> (2) Do you happen to know anything about that error, or should I just file a bug and hope someone catches it?
[21:50] <gary_poster> ubuntu-devel: ack.  Not subscribed/not a devel. :-/
[21:50] <hallyn> jinkeys
[21:50] <hallyn> gary_poster: ping apw on that, i think he's collecting bugs
[21:51] <hallyn> (he emailed linux-kernel yesterday or so about it)
[21:51] <gary_poster> hallyn, ack, thanks
[21:51] <hallyn> gary_poster: np.  if you want to file it as a bug, i guess that'd be to pad.lv/u/linux
[21:51] <hallyn> thanks, ttyl
[21:52] <gary_poster> ack hallyn will do
[22:04] <raubvogel> Trying to test my ldap restore procedure. After installing the databases to the barebones test box, I tried to start slapd and got this "Mar  1 16:20:06 fakekdc slapd[2326]: invalid directory /etc/ldap/slapd.d, error 13" message
[22:52] <delinquentme> so im used to setting path vars within .bashrc .. where should I set them if I'm accessing the remote node over ssh .. and I want those vars to be available?
[22:55] <SpamapS> delinquentme: environment variables are stripped out by SSH for various security reasons. You need to copy them over to the other side's .bashrc if you want them there too.
[22:56] <delinquentme> SpamapS, so if i set it in the ~/.bashrc   and source that ... theyll b e available?
[23:28] <SpamapS> delinquentme: yes
[23:29] <Sabriina> hello
[23:44] <lynxman> SpamapS: saw the rabbitmq update, we need to update the plugins as well (rabbitmq-stomp rabbitmq-erlang-client), I'll propose merges tomorrow morning
[23:46] <SpamapS> lynxman: rabbitmq-stomp is included in 2.7.1
[23:46] <lynxman> SpamapS: oh... great news then :)
[23:46] <lynxman> SpamapS: then we need to change mcollective dependencies :o)
[23:46] <SpamapS> lynxman: as is erlang client
[23:46] <SpamapS> lynxman: well, the packages are still useful, in that they setup configuration for the plugins
[23:47] <SpamapS> lynxman: we *should* deprecate the source packages, and move those configs/binary packages into the rabbitmq-server package
[23:47] <lynxman> SpamapS: hmm whatever we do needs to be done fast then
[23:47] <SpamapS> lynxman: nothing is "broken" right now
[23:47] <SpamapS> lynxman: just "weird"
[23:48] <SpamapS> lynxman: actually I suspect the plugins, on rebuild, may produce binary packages that conflict
[23:48] <lynxman> SpamapS: I reckon they would
[23:48] <SpamapS> lynxman: and agreed, we need to do that this week.
[23:48] <lynxman> SpamapS: will get my hands onto it tomorrow morning then
[23:48] <SpamapS> or rather
[23:48] <SpamapS> in the next 7 days
[23:48] <lynxman> SpamapS: just to get all the ducks in line
[23:49] <SpamapS> lynxman: I leave it in your highly capable hands.. let me know if you need sponsorship.
[23:49] <lynxman> SpamapS: thank you! highly appreciated :)
[23:49] <SpamapS> lynxman: the main reason I rushed it in is that OpenStack upstream requested it be updated for some HA work they're starting to do.
[23:50] <lynxman> SpamapS: yeah HA support in 2.7.1 is way better
[23:50] <SpamapS> and I think they also wanted a few of the other plugins available
[23:50] <lynxman> SpamapS: I've done a bunch of them but just had stomp and erlang-client in the archive
[23:52] <SpamapS> lynxman: nice that they're all in the official rmq releases now
[23:52] <lynxman> SpamapS: a welcome addition indeed
[23:54] <lynxman> SpamapS: will check it all tom. morning and see how it fits together and what needs adding/removing


[14:35] <iandk> Hi! I'm trying to set a custom nameserver for the official cloud images via Cloud-Init however that doesn't seem to work. All settings work just fine, just the nameserver doesn't get applied.
[14:35] <iandk> I'm seeing this issue with the Ubuntu 22.04 Cloud Image.
[14:35] <iandk> Is there any way to debug this?
[14:35] <iandk> Cant find anything in the log #
[14:36] <minimal> iandk: which DataSource are you using? where are you specifying the customer nameserver?
[14:38] <iandk> Network, I'm running Proxmox as a Hypervisor which allows me to set the network parameters. It works just fine with the Debian cloud image, just cant get it to work with ubuntu.
[14:38] <iandk> root@cloudinit:/mnt/cd# cat network-config
[14:38] <iandk> version: 1
[14:38] <iandk> config:
[14:38] <iandk>     - type: physical
[14:38] <iandk>       name: eth0
[14:38] <iandk>       mac_address: '06:70:c5:13:04:1e'
[14:38] <iandk>       subnets:
[14:38] <iandk>       - type: ipv6_slaac
[14:38] <iandk>     - type: nameserver
[14:38] <iandk>       address:
[14:38] <iandk>       - '2a03:7900:2:0:31:3:104:161'
[14:38] <iandk>       search:
[14:38] <iandk>       - 'demo.de'
[14:41] <minimal> Ubuntu uses netplan, not sure if Debian still uses /e/n/i or netplan these days
[14:41] <minimal> I think network-config v2 is effectively netplan whereas v1 has to be mapped to netplan
[14:42] <minimal> did you compare the network-config with the resultant netplan?
[14:43] <iandk> Yes, the Netplan config doesn't have anything related to the nameserver.
[14:43] <iandk> The resolv.conf doesn't get updated either.
[14:43] <iandk> I've also tried installing the resolvconf package - but also no luck here
[14:43] <iandk> # This file is generated from information provided by the datasource.  Changes
[14:43] <iandk> # to it will not persist across an instance reboot.  To disable cloud-init's
[14:43] <iandk> # network configuration capabilities, write a file
[14:43] <iandk> # /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-disable-network-config.cfg with the following:
[14:43] <iandk> # network: {config: disabled}
[14:43] <iandk> network:
[14:43] <iandk>     version: 2
[14:43] <iandk>     ethernets:
[14:43] <iandk>         eth0:
[14:43] <iandk>             dhcp6: true
[14:43] <iandk>             match:
[14:43] <iandk>                 macaddress: 06:70:c5:13:04:1e
[14:43] <iandk>             set-name: eth0
[14:46] <minimal> the "dhcp6: true" doesn't even seem right as you specified slaac in network-config
[14:47] <iandk> If I recall correctly cloud init uses dhcp6 both for slaac and dhcpv6
[14:47] <iandk> but not quite sure about that
[14:49] <iandk> If I output the cloud-init.log and filter for my specified nameserver I can see that cloud-init seems to get the right nameserver, it just doesn't apply it for some reason
[14:58] <minimal> did you compare the Debian and Ubuntu cloud-init logs for differences?
[15:01] <iandk> Yes, they seem to be the same
[15:04] <minimal> and is debian using netplan or /e/n/i?
[15:08] <iandk> Debian is using the regular network/interfaces file, so no netplan
[15:15] <minimal> starting to sound like a v1->netplan related issue. Which version of cloud-init is Ubuntu using?
[15:23] <iandk> I'm running version 22.2-0ubuntu1~22.04.2
[17:56] <blackboxsw> minimal: thanks for fielding the discussion with iandk. I can confirm the behavior in translation for v1 -> netplan via `cloud-init devel net-convert -network-data=netv1.yaml --kind=yaml -D ubuntu  -O netplan -d    outputdir`
[17:56] <blackboxsw> no nameserver in output.  I sent an email off to Legal today to confirm elements of that CLA signing w/ Oracle. As holmanb mentioned. All internal communication shows the company has signed the CLA to allow for upstream commits from  oracle developers. From your standpoint opening a PR for cloud-init is good to go. Generally if there were CLA concerns on the submitter, we would block and not land that PR until we sort CLA status.
[21:50] <holmanb> (welcome yawkat o/)
[21:50] <holmanb> :)
[21:51] <falcojr> yawkat: what blackboxsw said, plus still make sure you're following the guidelines in our contributing doc (except for signing the CLA of course)
[21:51] <falcojr> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/contributing.html
[21:51] <blackboxsw> yawkat: From your standpoint, add your github username into ./tools/.github-cla-signers file, we'll confer internally w/ legal and let you know in the PR if you have any other paperwork to allow us to accept the PR.  worst case is we might ask that you sign the https://ubuntu.com/legal/contributors/agreement  if we need any extra paperwork
[21:52] <blackboxsw> all those steps are documented as falcojr mentioned in the URL (again you may not need to sign the agreement form if we have the ability to vet your github user as a member of Oracle)
[21:53] <blackboxsw> holmanb: falcojr, well I found my snaffu in new-upstream-snapshot and why git-packagebiulder is injecting noisy authorship headers in event d/changelog entry. I'll have a tiny PR against uss-tableflip in a few mins
[21:55] <yawkat> okay, thanks. ive created a PR: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1557 – it's just a failing test case, so ive skipped the test running part of the contributing guidelines :) if you need any help with the CLA on our side, just ping me. i can probably get some sort of confirmation from my manager that my github belongs to an oracle employee, the only thing i want to avoid is going through oracle legal since that is bound to take ages and
[21:55] <yawkat> probably some business justification messiness.
[21:56] <blackboxsw> yawkat: great and thanks! We'll all make sure to sort how an organization member can contribute individually as this case is fairly unique (given the length of time it took to get the organization CLA signed in the first place)
[21:57] <yawkat> yea, the last cla i got oracle legal to sign took months, and that was *with* an actual relation to my work.
[22:28] <blackboxsw> holmanb:here's the minor PR that fixes new-upstream-snapshot for a kinetic release if you get a chance today https://github.com/canonical/uss-tableflip/pull/93
[22:36] <holmanb> blackboxsw: unfortunately probably not going to fit it in today, unfortunately
[22:45] <blackboxsw> holmanb: no worries 'tis late


[08:12] <ondondil> hello
[08:12] <ondondil> gtk+3 apps with headerbars do not use greybird window controls https://i.imgur.com/0zNWXiV.png in Xubuntu Bionic. Is it a known issue? I wasn't able to find anything about that. For comparison Arc theme handles this just fine https://i.imgur.com/c0XjRYK.png
[08:12] <ondondil> Sorry if question is dumb, I'm a newb
[08:15] <flocculant> ondondil: I've not seen it mentioned as an issue - report it as a bug, ubuntu-bug greybird-gtk-theme from a terminal. ochosi will see that and probably this ping
[08:16] <ondondil> okay, thanks
[08:16] <flocculant> ondondil: hang on 2 secs though
[08:17] <flocculant> https://i.imgur.com/IjZnz58.png this is using greybird too
[08:18] <flocculant> however I'm using greybird from the shimmer ppa (the Shimmer team include people from the Xubuntu Team)
[08:18] <flocculant> and my screenshot looks right
[08:19] <ondondil> I'm using the one from bionic's repo
[08:19] <ondondil> I'll try installing the ppa
[08:19] <flocculant> ondondil: could you add this ppa and update and check with that version? https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[08:19] <flocculant> it's safe as a ppa can be - as are all the Officialish Xubuntu PPAs
[08:20] <flocculant> if that sorts the issue it makes it simpler I think :)
[08:42] <ondondil> It didn't help, unfortunately https://i.imgur.com/V0aPlzo.png
[08:42] <ondondil> I may have messed up some things in this vm tho
[08:42] <ondondil> I'll do a fresh install and report back
[08:48] <flocculant> ondondil: okey doke
[09:11] <ondondil> okay, so I did a fresh install. Turns out that everithing works, even the greybird version available in bionic repository but only with elementary-xfce icons. When I change the icon set to adwaita, gnome or papirus, the window controls change too. Is it an expected behavior?
[09:25] <ochosi> ondondil: yes, thats expected for now, not sure if its easy to change/fix that
[09:25] <ochosi> would probably mean shipping those icons with greybird somehow
[09:26] <ondondil> arc theme somehow manages to keep its own window controls
[09:28] <ondondil> okay, thanks for the answer and sorry for confusion
[09:30] <ochosi> ah right, i can try to fix that then
[09:31] <ondondil> btw, it seems like Xubuntu 18.04 is going to be a great release. Thanks for all your work, I really appreciate that as a casual user
[09:39] <ochosi> ondondil: thanks, thats nice to hear, we put a lot of effort into it
[16:14] <jack02> help
[20:23] <ochosi> ondondil: just fyi, i have a working version of greybird with the window control icons included already locally
[20:23] <ochosi> some more cleanups and we can push that to 18.04
[20:24] <ondondil> oh, that's awesome
[22:50] <HoloIRCUser2> Hello, I just installed xubuntu on my 2008 MacBook and was wondering if I could automatically connect to wifi


[20:21] <glitsj16> ducasse: i see, documentation seems to differ from place to place, but I trust #i3 to know what they're doing
[20:22] <himom> what else can I try?
[20:22] <ducasse> glitsj16: several of the regulars are also the main devs, so i would think so
[20:23]  * Bashing-om trust ducasse to know what he (generic) is doing :)
[20:23] <ducasse> himom: i3 + xcompmgr?
[20:23] <himom> ducasse: I just tried on the default window menager and the artifacts still appear, so I don't think installing a new compositor for i3 will help?
[20:24] <glitsj16> himom: according to the arch wiki you need to set compton backend to xrender --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton#Screen_artifacts.2Fscreenshot_issues_when_using_AMD.27s_Catalyst_driver .. just something you can try, nobody seems to have much else to go on
[20:24] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Still to be resolved is why himom is up on the radeon driver rather then the recommnded amdgpu driver .
[20:24] <nicomachus> he could also try the backup-home-and-reinstall that was suggested hours ago, but refuses to.
[20:24] <himom> glitsj16: but we just ruled out compton as a problem, didn't we?
[20:25] <himom> reinstall is not a solution!
[20:25] <himom> how does that help me learn what is wrong?
[20:25] <ducasse> himom: it was mostly to try another compositor, i haven't followed this from the start
[20:25] <glitsj16> himom: not sure we did, especially not when compton needs to be configured correctly for AMD
[20:27] <himom> ducasse, glitsj16: I have artifacts in 3D applications. It started recently and I don't know why. I just went on a default window manager and the issue was the same, I disabled compton nothing changed either. Doesn't that rule out both i3 and compton?
[20:27] <glitsj16> himom: as ducasse has made clear, maybe you need to confirm that with #i3
[20:28] <himom> so it's possible that even when I'm not using i3 it's affecting the way stuff is displayed?
[20:28] <ducasse> himom: i would *guess* it is a driver issue at this point, did it start after an update?
[20:28] <himom> ducasse: yes, it started around the time I updated from 16.10 to 17.04
[20:29] <glitsj16> himom: no that's not what I mean, if you do use i3 + compton, it looks like the wise thing to do is to configure compton to use the xrender backend, that's all i wanted to throw in
[20:29] <ducasse> himom: could be a driver regression in a later kernel/x.org
[20:29] <nicomachus> himom: which is why it was suggested that you reinstall with an LTS release....
[20:30] <ducasse> ^^
[20:30] <nicomachus> but, again, you don't think that's a solution so I'll just keep suggesting it.
[20:30] <himom> glitsj16: yes of course, if it only happened on i3 I would be glad to try that, but we just found out that when I'm not using i3 nor compton the issue remains
[20:30] <himom> thank you nicomachus, I don't know what I would do without you. I would never think that I can install another OS on my PC!
[20:30] <ducasse> himom: could you try a 16.04 live usb?
[20:31] <marahin> Hello! I'm on Ubuntu 17.04. I plugged my LifeCam HD 3000 into the PC, and well, it works just great with 1280x720 @ 30.0 fps for the first hour; every consecutive hour is a sloppy 7,51fps (said by guvcview) slideshow.
[20:31] <himom> ducasse: run it then update everything and then test if the issue is still there?
[20:31] <marahin> Does anyone have any idea what is going on? I tried both USB3.0 and USB2.0 with no difference.
[20:32] <nicomachus> himom: that's just dumb. It's not "another OS", it's a stable release of a the same OS. a stable release with more stable drivers, more stable packages, etc.
[20:32] <marahin> I tried turning off Exposure, Auto and White Balance TEmperature in Guvcview with no performance upgrade.
[20:32] <ducasse> himom: i mean see if the problem is present on a live usb
[20:33] <himom> nicomachus: yes another version of the same OS, or a different OS, or even reinstalling the same OS... that doesn't help me find out what is wrong and how to fix it in the future. I could keep installing OSes every time something bad happens, but I don't like that idea
[20:34] <himom> ducasse: it wasn't on 16.10 a month ago. If you are right and something did change, what will that tell us?
[20:34] <ducasse> himom: trying a different version of the same os *does* help you narrow down what the problem is, as you can try different kernel/x.org versions
[20:35] <nicomachus> himom: i'm done trying to help you. I've given you my advice. follow it or don't, I don't really care.
[20:35] <himom> ducasse: yes, of course and I agree. nicomachus wasn't suggesting that though. He suggested that I ditch the current OS and install LTS version or reinstall the current version
[20:37] <ducasse> himom: my best suggestion at this point is a 16.04 (not 16.04.3) liveusb, then go from there
[20:37] <himom> nicomachus: thanks for helping and sorry that I'm not going to use your advice. I would like to fix my OS and not install a new one from scratch. You keep suggesting the same solution and you said that I ignored people's suggestions, which is not true. I only ignored this one, because as I said it doesn't help me find out what's wrong
[20:37] <himom> ducasse: so 16.04 and if it works try a newer one?
[20:37] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:38] <ducasse> himom: right
[20:38] <ducasse> himom: if it works, try 16.04 + hwe stack
[20:39] <ducasse> himom: another option is to try the driver ppas (oibaf's etc) to see if a later driver fixes it, but i'm not familiar with them
[20:40] <himom> ducasse: I see. What is hwe stack? To install oibaf's drivers I would have to remove current ones I assume?
[20:40] <ducasse> !hwe | himom
[20:41] <bipul> HI i just need a help, I am trying to install vm via command line. And am getting his error message. https://pastebin.com/GWYFV9Gh
[20:41] <himom> ducasse: thanks, I will try that!
[20:41] <ducasse> himom: the drivers would be installed over your current ones
[20:41] <himom> ducasse: great!
[20:41] <tomreyn> himom: for now just ignore what i said about padoka + oibaf, try hwe, it will most likely provide what you are looking for, and you won't leave the supported area
[20:42] <nicomachus> bipul: what command did you run to get that?
[20:42] <Ben64> bipul: Could not open the medium '/home/bipul/VirtualBox VMs/ubuntu-server.vdi'.
[20:42] <Ben64> seems like the main issue
[20:43] <nicomachus> perhaps the space in the filename?
[20:43] <Ben64> unlikely. file probably just isn't there
[20:43] <pavlos> bipul: line 3, you mv ubuntu-server.vdi somewhere else
[20:43] <himom> tomreyn, ducasse I will check if oibaf's drivers work then if they don't I will try with live usb, do you think that makes sense too?
[20:43] <ducasse> himom: i would try liveusb first, tbh
[20:43] <Sbur3> How do I recover permissions to a directory of mine?
[20:44] <Ben64> Sbur3: definte "recover permissions"
[20:44] <Ben64> define*
[20:44] <himom> ducasse: I will do that then
[20:44] <tomreyn> himom: did you read what i just said / wrote to you?
[20:45] <himom> tomreyn: you want me to try Ubuntu LTS with hwe?
[20:45] <tomreyn> himom: that's what i'd recommend, yes
[20:45] <Sbur3> Ben64: EriC^^After a rsync that EriC^^ sugggested to me on my usb key to copy it on my desktop, I get "Permission denied" when I try to access the dicrectory on my desktop
[20:45] <tomreyn> himom: don't you have 16.04 LTS now?
[20:45] <himom> tomreyn: I will check 16.04 and then hwe
[20:46] <himom> tomreyn: I'm on 17.04
[20:46] <bipul> pavlos: Yes, because when you install VM , you found that all this  file $ ls
[20:46] <bipul> Logs  vbox  vbox-prev .vdi found in the directory which has the same name as VM name
[20:46] <bipul> so  i moved it to there
[20:46] <Ben64> Sbur3: probably "sudo chown $USER:$USER -R directory"
[20:46] <tomreyn> himom: oh okay, i must have forgotten that. but if you want stability and things to work reliably, unless oyu have very recent hardware, your best bet is almost always just LTS.
[20:47] <himom> thanks for help everyone, I'm gonna try that now and come back later
[20:47] <Ben64> Sbur3: make sure not to type anything else there or you could break things
[20:47] <ducasse> himom: hwe will now have the same kernel/x as 17.04, which is why i think you should try 16.04.1 first
[20:47] <himom> tomreyn: I will stick to non lTS for now, but if it gets annoying I will consider switching  in the future
[20:48] <Sbur3> Ben64: When you say $USER, do you mean replace USER by my username?
[20:48] <himom> ducasse: ok, try 16.04.1 then install hwe on it?
[20:48] <nicomachus> yes
[20:48] <nicomachus> Sbur3: yes
[20:48] <Ben64> Sbur3: yes, but you could also literally type $USER and it'd fill it in
[20:48] <Ben64> try it out by doing "echo $USER" on the command line, should print your username
[20:49] <tomreyn> ducasse: why 16.04.*1* ?!
[20:49] <himom> my kernel is 4.10.0-30 btw
[20:49] <ducasse> himom: you can't install new kernels on a liveusb, you would need to try 16.04.1 first, then 16.04.3
[20:49] <Sbur3> Ben64: I have seen that the directory '(or more accurately, the subdirectorie) are assigend to root
[20:49] <himom> oooh didn't know that
[20:50] <Ben64> Sbur3: yeah that can happen if you copy as root
[20:50] <ducasse> himom: 16.04.1 is 16.04 with it's original kernel/x.org, no hwe
[20:50] <himom> gonna do that now
[20:50] <himom> thanks for help everyone, will be back later to tell you the results
[20:50] <tomreyn> ducasse: i see what you mean
[20:53] <vutral> where do i specify a vnc password for Xvnc
[20:53] <vutral> lightdm doesnt have an option
[20:53] <ducasse> tomreyn: if 16.10 worked and 17.04 doesn't, it makes sense to try 16.04 both with and without the 17.04 hwe stack imho
[20:54] <Sbur3> EriC^^: Ben64 I have a question.  I have access to the rsync'd directory on my desktop, but there is, apparently, nothing in the subdirectories.  Is there another way to recover the content of the subdirectories of the USB key that will avoid redoing the main directory of the USB key?
[20:56] <tomreyn> ducasse: i agree
[20:57] <tomreyn> ducasse: i just hadn't looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Ubuntu+Kernel+Support+Schedule.svg yet.
[20:57] <pavlos> bipul: seems you do the right steps ... https://nakkaya.com/2012/08/30/create-manage-virtualBox-vms-from-the-command-line/
[20:58] <bipul> pavlos: well, i have taken a help from it. But i have gone with the offical document also
[20:59] <tomreyn> vutral: have you tried this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/506580/how-to-configure-a-password-for-lightdm-vnc-connection
[21:07] <DerRaiden> hi folks i've little problem using samba under ubuntu 16.04. if i add shares to the samba config and restart smbd and nmbd i cannout connect to the shares, but if i use net usershare add i can connect t them
[21:08] <DerRaiden> i use samba 4.3.11
[21:15] <mike_papa> Is /run/user/$(id -u)/ correct place for ipc sockets created by applications started by user?
[21:16] <DerRaiden> .
[21:17] <alekz> why /etc/sudoers MUST be edited with 'sudo visudo'? (According to the file itslef)
[21:19] <tgm4883> alekz: because if you break the sudoers file it's bad
[21:19] <ducasse> alekz: it doesn't need to, but visudo checks for errors
[21:19] <tgm4883> "visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8). visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits, provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again later."
[21:20] <alekz> great
[21:20] <alekz> then I cant write a normal bash script and edit it using sed or ex, right?
[21:20] <tgm4883> alekz: well you could, but if you break it then you'll need to boot to recovery to fix it
[21:21] <alekz> what do you mean by "break it"?
[21:21] <tgm4883> alekz: syntax errors, etc
[21:22] <fiber> ^ this will inevitably happen
[21:22] <alekz> ok, but that shouldn't be a problem, since I've edited million times from visudo, but for the first time I'm working in this script
[21:22] <alekz> thanks
[21:22] <tgm4883> famous last words
[21:22] <alekz> I don't get some stuff about this distro
[21:22] <alekz> the MUST work shouldn't be there, then
[21:22] <alekz> do you agree?
[21:23] <tgm4883> alekz: um, how is that distro specific?
[21:25] <tomreyn> so hopefully this was a rhetorical question
[21:26] <ducasse> either that, or he suddenly needed recovery mode ;)
[21:27] <tomreyn> :)
[21:28]  * peterrooney thinks alekz will be back
[21:33] <nicomachus> did himom ever come back?
[21:39] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Have not re-seen himon to this time :)
[21:40] <kostkon> nicomachus, nickserv says he/she was last seen 49 minutes ago
[21:43] <jnewt> what do i need to do so that when i plug in a usb drive, i can then browse it from my file manager without going to the command line and manually mounting it?  using mate desktop, caja file manager
[21:45] <tomreyn> jnewt: do you have Settings -> Removable drives and media on your graphical Desktops' menu?
[21:48] <jnewt> tomreyn, not that I see.
[21:49] <glitsj16> jnewt: might be under System > Details
[21:49] <tomreyn> jnewt: sorry, what i pointed you to is thunar (XFCE) specific.
[21:49] <jnewt> glitsj16, I have System, but don't have System > Details
[21:50] <glitsj16> i would have expected MATE to automount USB drives by default
[21:50] <jnewt> preferences, administration, control center, about and help
[21:51] <jnewt> preferences & administration are just subsections of control center from what I see.  idk why they even have them separate
[21:52] <jnewt> glitsj16, I expected it to be somewhat easy as a daily driver (ie not a whole lot of cli stuff necessary), that hasn't really been the case.
[21:53] <glitsj16> jnewt: heard nice things about MATE but never tried it, my switching-DE-every-week phase is over
[21:54] <jnewt> I like having the power of the command line, but don't prefer it like some people do.  I would like to avoid it for daily tasks
[21:58] <pavlos> bipul: I used your code and made a VM ... no errors
[21:59] <pavlos> bipul: I cannot get the rdesktop to work but that's another topic
[22:01] <tomreyn> pavlos: he also asked in #vbox at the same time he asked here, and got help there.
[22:02] <pavlos> tomreyn: ok, thx
[22:04] <bipul> pavlos: Anyway i have foud where i am doing mistake.
[22:04] <CoffeeMonster> I've just installed Ubuntu 17.04 64-bit desktop on my 10yo desktop. However, I cannot seem to get internet access through either wired (Marvell Yukon 88E8801 Gigabit) or wireless (some USB dongle). /ifconfig is not pre-installed and thus not there. Not sure which additional info is relevant, so ask away. Advice how to proceed?
[22:06] <bipul> pavlos: Thank you :)
[22:06] <glitsj16> jnewt: if you haven't found a GUI-way yet, you can try both 'gsettings set org.mate.media-handling automount true' and 'gsettings set org.mate.media-handling automount-open true' to get the behavior you're looking for
[22:06] <pavlos> bipul: np
[22:06] <bipul>  VBoxManage showvminfo Ubuntu-server | grep <error-part>
[22:07] <bipul> And you will get to know where you doing mistake
[22:08] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: run "lspci -knn" and "lsusb" and tell us the PCI / USB IDs provided for these devices, those look similar to this: [12ef:ab89]
[22:09] <nacc> CoffeeMonster: and `ip` replaced `ifconfig`
[22:12] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn: ethernet controller 11ab:4320; usb dongle 148f:5572
[22:12] <CoffeeMonster> nacc wow, did not know, thanks
[22:13] <pavlos> bipul: I dont get any errors from the showvminfo but VRDE is not on
[22:13] <genii> If you still want ifconfig, just install net-tools
[22:14] <CoffeeMonster> genii I would if I could ;)
[22:14] <bipul> VRDE?
[22:15] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: so it's an 88E8001, not 88E8801 NIC apparently.
[22:16] <bipul> Idk but when you able to run VM i.e  Oracle VM VirtualBox Headless Interface 5.0.40_Ubuntu
[22:16] <bipul> , after making installation. I have unmount my .iso image via command
[22:16] <bipul> VBoxManage storageattach $VM --storagectl "IDE Controller" --port 0 --device 0 --type dvddrive --medium none
[22:16] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn whoops :( indeed, I meant to type 88e8001 :(
[22:16] <pavlos> bipul: the showvminfo gives me, VRDE Connection:    not active
[22:17] <bipul> And when you found any issue related to storage or network, i have given you the command to look for ir
[22:17] <bipul> it
[22:17] <bipul> yes
[22:17] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: skge is the driver for that. the lspci command you ran should have said so?
[22:17] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn correct
[22:18] <bipul> then look into google and https://forums.virtualbox.org/
[22:19] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: so your system identified and loaded the correct driver for the ethernet NIC. now run 'ip link' and see whether it created the network device. they are no longer called 'eth*', so maybe discuss all that are listed there.
[22:22] <CoffeeMonster> there are three, the loopback, the ethernet and the wireless if i'm not mistaken. any particular info that would be relevant?
[22:22] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: whats the name of the ethernet and wireless interfaces?
[22:23] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn: enp6s12 and wlx6002b4d1edcb
[22:24] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: if IP addresses were assigned to the ethernet interface, this command will list them: ip address show enp6s12 | awk '/^ *inet/{print $2}'
[22:25] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses / CIDRs
[22:26] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: have you tried to just 'ping -c2 <IP_ADDRESS>'? this would tell you whether you have internet connectivity (<IP_ADDRESS> is a public DNS server operated by Google)
[22:26] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn just an fe80 ip6, which is a link-local address if i remember my courses right?
[22:26] <CoffeeMonster> no ipv4
[22:27] <CoffeeMonster> i have tomreyn, "network is unreachable"
[22:28] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's correct, so indeed no ip address was assigned. so, check the cable, does it have a link (i assume you have some LED there to indicate link state)
[22:30] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn the led is red/orange, seems to be blinking quite a bit
[22:30] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: also, 'ip link show enp6s12' (which is a subset of the output you previously generated when you ran 'ip link') should tell you the state of your network interface. here it says "state UP" (amongst a lot of other things)
[22:31] <CoffeeMonster> the ethernet has state up, the wireless has state down
[22:31] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn also worth noting: the dongle does seem to work to some degree. i can see the available networks
[22:31] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: so for the ethernet NIC, the only issue seems to be that assigning (or possibly receiving, via DHCP) IP addresses did not succeed.
[22:32] <CoffeeMonster> should i try assigning a static ip?
[22:32] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn
[22:32] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i.e. there should be no driver issues, no need to install additional drivers, it's probably just a configuration issue.
[22:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: how do you normally assign an ip address there?
[22:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: if you feel comfortable assigning a static ip address this is maybe a good approach to work around this issue quickly.
[22:37] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn on my home network i have never assigned a static ip before... but i should be able to figure it out. i'll tell you if i succeed
[22:37] <oerheks> dhcp range 1-100, static 101,102,103
[22:38] <tomreyn> oerheksthats mnot an RFC, is it?
[22:38] <tomreyn> oerheks: i mean, how can you know this?
[22:38] <oerheks> most routers do accept this
[22:39] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: What device are you connecting to?  Do you see lights on either port (computer or router) when plugged in? What about when another working machine is plugged in?
[22:46] <tomreyn> we know the one on the computers' end "is red/orange, seems to be blinking quite a bit"
[22:47] <noraatepernos> Where would you guys check for an outgoing connection bottleneck?
[22:48] <noraatepernos> My loadtester isn’t even touching the CPUs on this ec2 instance yet it doesn’t like going above 500 requests per second.
[22:48] <noraatepernos> They’re http get requests.
[22:49] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn: assigning a static ip did not seem to help; the ping command used to immediately fail, but now it does try to ping, and it gives destination host unreachable on everything including default gateway
[22:50] <CoffeeMonster> (except localhost, which does succeed)
[22:51] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: are you able to access the routers' web interface using a different computer, such as a smartphone, tab or laptop?
[22:51] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn there's only one indicator for cabled, and i have other devices on cable :D but i checked the dhcp client list in the router's interface and it's not there
[22:52] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: okay, is there another device list besides the dhcp one on that web interface?
[22:52] <CoffeeMonster> arp list
[22:52] <tomreyn> and its not there either?
[22:53] <tomreyn> "ip link show" lists the MAC addresses
[22:54] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i suggest you also take a look at /var/log/syslog - it should tell you what's going wrong.
[22:55] <CoffeeMonster> it only lists the mac address if i manually add it, but no, didn't list it by itself
[22:55] <CoffeeMonster> the other devices show up in the arp list as 'unloaded'
[22:55] <CoffeeMonster> but i assume that just means they're from dhcp and not fixed?
[22:56] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn ok let's have a look
[22:56] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i'm not familiar with the term"unloaded" regarding networking (except for linux modules, buut it won't be that).
[22:57] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Just to be sure, you do have your computer plugged into one of the orange ports and not the blue "internet" port. Correct?
[22:58] <tomreyn> this refers to http://www.tp-link.com/res/upfile/images/20150430051430.png
[22:58] <CoffeeMonster> Jordan_U very sure :p the blue internet port is used correctly, and the other devices in the yellow etherports are working fine
[23:01] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn Jordan_U: in the syslog: nautilus: called "net usershare info" but it failed: failed to execute child process "net" (no such file or directory)
[23:01] <CoffeeMonster> i think right after enabling the wired connection, but i could be mistaken (org.freedesktop.hostname1)
[23:01] <himom> hi I'm back
[23:01] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's okay, you want to look much earlier where it loads the drivers and tries to configure ip addreses via dhcp (or static)
[23:02] <himom> I tested Ubuntu 16.04
[23:02] <himom> ducasse: 16.04.1 has no issues at all, on 16.04.3 there were artifacts in blender, but no artifacts in games (big improvement)
[23:03] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: nautilus only becomes active by the time the graphical desktop is already started, the command it runs there is to check for samba / smb / cifs / windows shares
[23:03] <himom> so the results are a bit unexpected for me
[23:08] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn 379 hits on "dhcp"; i see some request timed out, state changed unknown ->timeout, canceled dhcp transaction, state change timeout -> done; a lot of dhcpdiscover on enp6s12 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval etc.; some state changed ip-config -> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable')
[23:08] <CoffeeMonster> anything more specific i should look for?
[23:08] <himom> https://prnt.sc/g43ccx
[23:09] <Bashing-om> himom: reading .
[23:10] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn i put it back on dhcp, disabled and enabled the interface, checked syslog: "no buffer space available" and "failed to send 300 byte long packet over enp6s12 interface"
[23:12] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: hmm that's interesting. let's run a web search on that
[23:13] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn lshw -c network mentions width: 32 bits... does this conflict with my os being 64 bit? or is it something completely irrelevant?
[23:18] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's not relevant
[23:18] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Is your cable a crossover or straightthrough cable?
[23:20] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Your ethernet card might be old enough to not be able to automatically accomidate to the wrong cable being used.
[23:20] <CoffeeMonster> Jordan_U i have no idea... it's the ordinary one, whichever that is? it's the same cable i have used in the past to connect my ps3 to my router; also wireless is also not working, so it's probably deeper than just the wire
[23:20] <himom> so I get artifacts on 17.04, only partially on 16.04.3, but not at all on 16.04.1 what to do?
[23:21] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: when you "sudo grep sky2 /var/log/syslog", are there any messages which sound like an error or warning?
[23:23] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn that returns nothing at all
[23:23] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: umm, sorry, wrong kernel module
[23:24] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: when you "sudo grep skge /var/log/syslog", are there any messages which sound like an error or warning?
[23:25] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i guess your best option right now is to try this with the 17.04 live / installer system, see if you can get either network device working proeprly there. if you can, oyu can at least rule out a hardware /wiring issue.
[23:26] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn netdev watchdog: enp6s12 (skge): transmit queue 0 timed out
[23:26] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: hmm okay this can be either a driver or hardware or configuration issue, it's not really clear.
[23:31] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn is there any way this could be caused by some kind of 32/64 bit mismatch? it's the first time i'm running a 64 bit os on it.  should i give it a try to install 32 bit or is it just a waste of time?
[23:31] <CoffeeMonster> apart from the ethernet/wireless, everything *seems* to be working fine
[23:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: if a 64-bit OS would not work on this system then it would not even have completed the boot.
[23:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: this said, if the driver is bad quality, 32-bit might help
[23:34] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: but that's not too likely. i'd rather try the suggestion i just made and maybe do some cross testing
[23:34] <CoffeeMonster> skge driver right? should i maybe look for an updated version, transfer it to the desktop via usb?
[23:35] <CoffeeMonster> ok i'll check the live usb boot thingy
[23:35] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: why dont you just try whether it works on the live?
[23:35] <tomreyn> :)
[23:36] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn the dvd drive seems to be a bit worn, and it's usually a pain in the behind to get it open :D i can hear it trying to open, but being stuck. then sometimes after 10 tries, it opens up. sometimes not and i have to use a hairpin
[23:37] <CoffeeMonster> alright, it's in... and now the wait begins
[23:38] <Jordan_U> himom: Have you filed a bug report? Please pastebin the output of "dmesg" when you are seeing these artifacts. Please also pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log .
[23:40] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: did you not say usb boot? is the dvd drive connected via usb then? i had assumed a usb stick, a lot less painful (once you got it written properly)
[23:40] <CoffeeMonster> i did, i meant dvd... i haven't had much sleep lately lol
[23:40] <himom> Jordan_U: I haven't. I get them only in 3d applications such as blender, unity3d and games. It started when I updated to 17.04
[23:42] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: then the best suggestion i can provide is actually "get sleep", and think about what, if anything, you changed between when it worked and now.
[23:43] <himom> Jordan_U: I already checked xorg log and nothing interesting was there. 16.10 didn't have those problems
[23:44] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn it's not working either on the live dvd... i'll check into more detail later. so far what has changed: i removed the raid configuration, installed ubuntu 64bit instead of windows vista 32bit... that's about it i think
[23:44] <CoffeeMonster> all the hardware is still the same
[23:44] <htaccess> anyone else been hitting "E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.13.0-123.172_amd64.deb  404  Not Found" on 14.04 boxes for the last few hours?
[23:46] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: oh, somehow i was assumign you had run linux successfully on this system before.
[23:47] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: okay then i suggest that you install ubuntu 16.04 lts instead, or rather that you try whether you can get this live / installer online before you install.
[23:47] <CoffeeMonster> ok ty. i'll probably be giving that try tomorrow then
[23:47] <CoffeeMonster> ty for all the help
[23:48] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: welcome. also, if you have another NIC lying around, or a frined who can borrow you one that works with this bus type, give that a try, too.
[23:49] <tomreyn> and last but not least, reboot them router, too.
[23:50] <CoffeeMonster> hmm i might be able to raid some broken computer somewhere around the house :D
[23:50] <CoffeeMonster> but they're probably onboard
[23:52] <CoffeeMonster> and i'll try and see if rebooting the router helps... but i'm not particularly getting my hopes up on that one


[17:12] <dsmythies> There is supposed to be a doc team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting-2 in about 20 minutes. However, #ubuntu-meeting-2 seems to be broken. Can anyone confirm or deny it is broken? (no bots are present and such)
[17:13] <pleia2> it looks fine to me
[17:13] <pleia2> dsmythies: you don't seem to be joined there...
[17:14] <dsmythies> pleia2: Thanks. I should learn to type. I did the same mistake 5 times....
[17:14] <pleia2> aha :)
[17:16] <dsmythies> pleia2: O.K. that's better. Now I better print your "Meetingology bot crash course" notes.
[17:16] <pleia2> \o/
[18:41] <imnichol> dsmythies, Sorry about that, had to go shovel my sidewalk
[18:44]  * pleia2 was on a work conference call :\
[18:46] <dsmythies> imnichol Oh, ha ha. I live in Canada on the west coast. My worry is that it is so warm my apple trees might come out of dorminate stage too early, leading to crop failure.
[18:46] <imnichol> dsmythies, I understand that.  We've consistently had a bad few years with late frosts here in GMT-6
[18:47] <imnichol> Lots of orchards lost their harvests
[18:47] <dsmythies> In the meeting I was just wanting to know if you had anything to bring up or how we might otherwsie try to help.
[18:48] <imnichol> Actually, there is a question I've had
[18:48] <dsmythies> Go ahead
[18:49] <imnichol> When I'm working on fixing a bug in the server guide, I branch from the project, make changes, and then push the changes
[18:49] <imnichol> But when I want to fix a second bug, I can't figure out how to keep the modifications I made to fix the first bug from being part of the merge proposal for the second bug
[18:50] <imnichol> So I end up using rm to delete the folder and then branch it again
[18:50] <imnichol> Is there a way to not have to pull the project down a 2nd time?
[18:50] <imnichol> And I'm sorry, pretty sure 100% of the terms that I used there were wrong
[18:53] <dsmythies> imnichol: That is a really good question. I find bzr somewhat difficult to use and mysterious. I also get confused because I use git more often than bzr, although I have troubles with git also...
[18:53] <imnichol> Ironic that my problem here seems to be a documentation issue.....
[18:54] <dsmythies> anyway, to answer your question...
[18:57] <dsmythies> I will sometimes keep a local "master" copy of the branch and then copy the entire thing to make working copies. You can also checkout the original bzr branch number and then continue with that. I'm actually hoping someone else might chime in on this.
[18:58] <imnichol> I need to find a bzr cheatsheet that I can put up next to my desk
[18:58] <dsmythies> me also, but I do find the man pages useful.
[18:58] <imnichol> Ahah http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/_static/en/bzr-en-quick-reference.pdf
[19:05] <dsmythies> imnichol: I am out of time for now. I'll do some experiments with "bzr revno" and get back to you. It might not be today.
[19:06] <imnichol> No prob, take your time :)
[19:06] <imnichol> Thanks for your help
[19:10] <pmatulis> imnichol: the simplest way is to just make a new branch for the second proposal.  otherwise you will need to just make the 2nd change, push again, and in the merge proposal you will be fixing two things.  fine if those 2 things are not disparate.  can be frowned upon if they are, but still acceptable
[19:13] <imnichol> pmatulis, are you talking about deleting the folder where the branch is and then branching it again?
[19:15] <pmatulis> imnichol: no need to delete. just create another one
[19:15] <pmatulis> imnichol: it's good to keep a record of things on your filesystem
[19:19] <imnichol> pmatulis, can I branch over it?
[19:19] <imnichol> I like to keep my ~ clean
[19:23] <pmatulis> imnichol: nope
[19:23] <pmatulis> imnichol: you should have a top level directory.  put branches/contributions under it
[19:25] <pmatulis> ~/serverguide/14.04/{branch_blah,branch_foo,branch_bar}