[00:02] <arbosis_> oracleoftruth: maybe the volume of something is not right, did you check alsamixer?
[00:03] <oracleoftruth> arbosis_:thanks. whats the command for that? also attempting playback of sound seems to stress the cpu
[00:04] <arbosis_> just alsamixer on any terminal
[00:06] <oracleoftruth> everything is turned up
[01:35] <ssfdre38> where are the default images at for the log-in and desktop
[01:41] <SIR_Taco> /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/
[01:42] <SIR_Taco> and ... /usr/share/wallpapers/
[01:44] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, do you know where the basecode is for both are located at?
[01:44] <SIR_Taco> in svn?
[01:45] <ssfdre38> yea
[01:45] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: give me a second and I'll find out
[01:45] <ssfdre38> ok
[01:45] <SIR_Taco> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kde-wallpapers/
[01:46] <ssfdre38> thanks
[01:47] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: that's the wallpapers... can't remember where kdm themes are... but I'll find it haha
[01:48] <ssfdre38> well im trying to make an os right now im working on a prototype with debian
[01:50] <ssfdre38> and well kubuntu is my KDE prototype
[01:51] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: ok... there should be a lot of documentation out there to making a custom kdm login, splash screen, etc.
[01:52] <ssfdre38> well right now im working on LFS
[01:52] <ssfdre38> well with
[01:53] <SIR_Taco> stilly, shouldn't be too hard building kdm
[01:53] <SIR_Taco> *still
[01:53] <ssfdre38> no
[01:54] <SIR_Taco> you should call the OS "Kraken" .... always thought that would be an awesome name for a KDE distro :P
[01:55] <ssfdre38> no im going to call it tronOS and i do have a screenshot of GRUB so far at http://irc.ssfdre38.com/e10.4.jpg
[01:56] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: nice, what's the selling point?
[01:56] <ssfdre38> that is what it should look like for the GRUB
[01:56] <ssfdre38> its going to be for web site dev and desingers
[01:57] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: nice
[01:57] <ssfdre38> im thinking of doing a clean server os and a pre-bulit web server
[01:58] <ssfdre38> its just been an idea for a while now and now im going to make it a prototype and see what people think with gnome and KDE
[01:58] <zus> hello is there a  ppa for  the daisy widget in natty 11.04?
[01:59] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: that's how good ideas start
[01:59] <ssfdre38> just need to work on it
[02:00] <SIR_Taco> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-daisy
[02:00] <zus> SIR_Taco,  thank you, i wasnt sure if it was too new a release for the widget yet
[02:01] <SIR_Taco> zus: nothing is too new :) and you're welcome
[02:02] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, i was going to use ubuntu but then i dont want to use unity
[02:02] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: you can strip Unity out.... for now anyway
[02:02] <ssfdre38> gnome 3 thro
[02:03] <SIR_Taco> brb... have to kill the neighbors lol
[02:03] <zus> wot is going on tonight, this is the most active iseen this channel in a day or two, or is it the  hours i log in
[02:03] <SIR_Taco> not litterally, of course
[02:05] <SIR_Taco> zus: not sure.... seems to be feast or fammine around here
[02:05] <ssfdre38> is it me or did unity somewhat slowed down ubuntu?
[02:06] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: not sure... haven't touched Gnome in over 10 years
[02:06] <zus> has anyone  managed to get  runes of magic to work on 11.04?
[02:06] <zus> im still a newbie with Linux,
[02:06] <expecto>  #ubuntu
[02:08] <ssfdre38> i just say for noobs they should use Jolicloud first
[02:08] <SIR_Taco> zus: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=8157
[02:12] <SIR_Taco> zus: if you need help figuring it out, let me know
[02:14] <zus> actaully  i do have a question, do i just down load it like normal and  wine takes care of everything else?
[02:14] <zus> SIR_Taco,  ^
[02:16] <SIR_Taco> zus: should, yes. I haven't tried that game before... but usually you download 'whatever.exe' and in a console you'd type 'wine whatever.exe'
[02:16] <SIR_Taco> zus: of course you need to install wine first
[02:18] <zus> wine is isntalled,  but if i can get this to work i will never need windows again
[02:19] <SIR_Taco> zus: according to the Wine DB entry, you might have sound problems.... but that was for Ubuntu 10.10
[02:20] <zus> yeah? personally i play with no sound as i normally rock out to some metal! but least i know it should be expected
[02:21] <SIR_Taco> zus: problem solved then haha
[02:22] <zus> hmm ok i clicked the  exe and the wine glass icon showa but then thats it
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> zus: can you use the command line and go to the directory/folder where you downloaded the .exe and type 'wine whatever.exe' (without the quotes)
[02:24] <zus> im not good with command line, how do i get into the downloads folder
[02:24] <ssfdre38> its cd downloads
[02:24] <SIR_Taco> well if you open Konsole (Alt-F2 then type konsole), type "cd Downloads"
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> then "wine whatever-the-name-of-the-file-is.exe"
[02:25] <ssfdre38> this is why i say noobs should start with jolicloud os
[02:26] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: I was a noob 15 years ago, and I used Slackware.... not a good noob OS, but I survived :)
[02:26] <ssfdre38> lol
[02:26] <ssfdre38> i started with ubuntu 7
[02:26] <SIR_Taco> sometimes it's best to be thrown into the fire :)
[02:28] <zus> i get command not found ?
[02:28] <ssfdre38> what did you type?
[02:28] <zus> when i got to the downloads directory  i did WineSlime.exe
[02:29] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: I am really not that old... lol... just and inquisitive kid and in a completely opposite job than I probably should be
[02:29] <SIR_Taco> zus: small "w"
[02:29] <SIR_Taco> and a space between 'wine' and the exe name
[02:29] <ssfdre38> well im 22 now so that says something
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> linux is case-senstive (ie. 'a' and 'A' are completely different)
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: 29
[02:30] <zus> hmm virtual memory exhausted is wot i got now
[02:30] <zus> one sec.
[02:30] <ssfdre38> you need to increase the wineHQ virtual memory
[02:31] <zus> hmm dunno how to do that,
[02:31] <SIR_Taco> just a minute... let me install Wine again... and see what's going on
[02:32] <ssfdre38> you need to go to the control panel of wineHQ and increase it there
[02:33] <SIR_Taco> zus: according to the winehq entry you need to install winetricks first
[02:34] <zus> winetricks is in my  menu,
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> ok, then you need to install: dotnet20 and vcrun2005 through winetricks
[02:35] <zus> hmm is that like   sh winetricks  in the  terminal to get the  list?
[02:36] <SIR_Taco> zus: depends on how you got winetricks
[02:36] <zus> i see
[02:36] <zus> kxstudios  ppa
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> should just be able to hit Alt-F2 then type winetricks
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> trying it out now... seems that it's changed a lot since I used it last
[02:39] <zus> ok sec,..
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> selected "Select the default wineprefix" then OK.... "Install a Windows DLL or component" then OK....  and select dotnet20 and vcrun2005 then OK
[02:40] <zen> .
[02:41] <zus> ok sh can not open winetricks  and it loooked as if it wa doing something  but  not anymore
[02:41] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, someone thought tronOS was an offshoot of TRON Project
[02:41] <SIR_Taco> zus: shouldn't need to type 'sh' if it was installed through apt... just type 'winetricks'
[02:42] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: well it's an easy mistake
[02:42] <ssfdre38> no with apt you just type sudo
[02:43] <zus> still getting a virtual memory exhausted
[02:44] <zen> .
[02:45] <SIR_Taco> zen: winehq also says to 'Download the client files from the "Multiple File Download" section.' and then "Run the first file to start the installation process."
[02:46] <SIR_Taco> zen: winehq also says to 'Download the client files from the "Multiple File Download" section.' and then "Run the first file to start the installation process."
[02:46] <ssfdre38> fail
[02:48] <SIR_Taco> worst internet cliche ever lol
[02:48] <ssfdre38> also the best
[02:49] <zus> lol which  "Fail"?
[02:49] <SIR_Taco> and the irony is lost
[02:50] <ssfdre38> well time to try and see if i can get a image on grub for kubuntu
[02:51] <zus> haha  i dont get anythin but a blue screen untill the  rectangle with the  hdd and the k logo pops  up
[02:52] <zus> brb
[02:56] <kubu2> I see this plasma dock on kde.org on Kubuntu. http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/05/plasma-desktopap4455.jpg
[02:56] <kubu2> Need help how to get this
[02:58] <SIR_Taco> any idea what the name of it is?
[02:59] <Walzmyn> the propritary drive gizmo says the nvidia driver is activated by not currently in use. How do I kick it in use?
[02:59] <kubu2> SIR_Taco: no idea..googling docks and seems like kooldock is no longer in the repo?
[02:59] <SIR_Taco> kubu2: are you sure this isn't just a mock-up?
[02:59] <kubu2> SIR_Taco: that's what I was thinking too.
[03:00] <SIR_Taco> kubu2: seems like an OSX meets Kubuntu mock-up.... but hey, you never know
[03:01] <kubu2> SIR_Taco: It would be nice but that's all I know.
[03:02] <ssfdre38> well i broke grub for kubunut
[03:03] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: how so?
[03:03] <ssfdre38> i was trying to put an image on it and now i cant get on it so i went to my windows
[03:03] <SIR_Taco> kubu2: superkerumba (or whatever it was/is called) used to have something similar years ago I believe...
[03:04] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: you don't get a grub screen? or you only have a windows option on it?
[03:05] <ssfdre38> i get it but it doesnt give me the grub os choosing window
[03:06] <SIR_Taco> so it shows the grub screen, but nothing in the list?
[03:09] <SIR_Taco> hmmm.... maybe I should stop giving advice.... they all seem to get eaten by a Grue afterwards
[03:15] <ssfdre38> sorry about that and it doesnt even show the list it just shows grub>
[03:16] <SIR_Taco> ah, so you're stuck on the grub command line....
[03:16] <SIR_Taco> did you just recently update grub?
[03:16] <ssfdre38> i just redid it so im good and it was a mod to the grub.cfg file
[03:17] <ssfdre38> well reinstalled kubuntu
[03:17] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: you can usually just boot a live-cd and fix your mistakes
[03:18] <ssfdre38> i didnt mod the kubuntu that much so it wasnt worth it
[03:18] <ssfdre38> and windows is my main os so it would see vista over kubuntu
[03:18] <SIR_Taco> ah ok
[03:21] <ssfdre38> yea modding it back to what i had it before i reinstalled kubuntu takes no time
[03:22] <SIR_Taco> there is a package (can't remember it's name) that well take a snapshot of your current configuration and packages and create a CD/DVD out of it.... so you could technically backup as you go
[03:23] <SIR_Taco> well = will
[03:24] <ssfdre38> but i do want to get an image on the grub boot loader like the one i showed you that i did for Debian
[03:26] <SIR_Taco> ok..... so you just want to add a background image to grub?
[03:26] <ssfdre38> yea
[03:27] <SIR_Taco> move and change the name of your image to /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
[03:27] <SIR_Taco> you'll have to open it in Gimp or such and change the format to PNG.... then just "sudo update grub"
[03:28] <ssfdre38> well i have it in .png already
[03:28] <ssfdre38> http://irc.ssfdre38.com/tronosgrub1.pgn
[03:28] <ssfdre38> http://irc.ssfdre38.com/tronosgrub1.png
[03:28] <SIR_Taco> sorry... "sudo update-grub"
[03:30] <SIR_Taco> so just "sudo cp tronosgrub1.png /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png" then "sudo update-grub"
[03:31] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: worky? no worky?
[03:32] <ssfdre38> right now im on windows
[03:32] <ssfdre38> i would need to switch ove
[03:32] <ssfdre38> over and im helping someone on a hosting site real quick
[03:32] <SIR_Taco> ok well that will work, haha
[03:33] <SIR_Taco> let me know if you have problems though
[03:34] <ssfdre38> i will be on here when i get xchat install on kubuntu
[03:35] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: what's wrong with Quassel?
[03:36] <ssfdre38> i just like xchat interface
[03:36] <SIR_Taco> fair enough
[03:36] <ssfdre38> i did try Quassel
[03:37] <ssfdre38> for me xchat works better then Quassel
[03:37] <darthanubis> gstreamer backend to phonon WIN! Finally you can play multiple audio sources at once out the box! Makes Kubuntu actually relevent.
[03:37] <SIR_Taco> whatever floats your boat
[03:38] <darthanubis> Konversation took the place of xchat in KDE for me
[03:38] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: yes, I agree... I had problems here and there
[03:41] <SIR_Taco> argh
[03:41] <Linkmaster> :?
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> got a tattoo the other day.... now I have to wait 6 months to give blood again
[03:42] <Linkmaster> I didn't know that :o
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> might be different in other places, but that's how it works ehre
[03:44] <Linkmaster> Hm..
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> sorry... that's my minute rant haha
[03:51] <Linkmaster> Its fine, haha
[04:18] <mole__> just upgraded to 11.04 thanks everyone!
[04:18] <mole__> went 100% smooth! which is totally rad!
[04:19] <SIR_Taco> glad to hear mole__
[04:20] <mole__> does anyone think microsoft will shut down QT dev via nokia like microsoft shutdown mono via attachmate/novell?
[04:22] <SIR_Taco> mole__: with it being open source, I don't think there's much they can do about it
[04:22] <mole__> i realize that but they can kill it's development resources heh
[04:23] <mole__> and the fact that google used GTK for chrome... i was hoping they went QT :(
[04:23] <SIR_Taco> I'm sure they could... but with any luck they community would pick up the slack
[04:23] <SIR_Taco> the community
[04:24] <SIR_Taco> makes it sound like a cult lol
[04:24] <mole__> it'd be nice to be reassured by someone that QT will not be shut down despite the nokia 1 billion dollar soul selling
[04:26] <SIR_Taco> mole__: If (and that's a big if), Nokia shut down development on it... there are enough people in the KDE and QT groups, that are not affiliated with either company, to continue the good work
[04:27] <mole__> I'm not losing sleep over this obviously but I used to think trolltech being bought by nokia was a good thing, then after novel and nokia being bought out by microsoft... it's pretty scary... i just don't want my precious KDE to die
[04:28] <mole__> :(
[04:28] <ssfdre38> so SIR_Taco what is the command for it?
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> mole__: I don't see it happening... it would more go the way of OpenOffice to LibreOffice than snuff out
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: ?
[04:29] <ssfdre38> for grub image
[04:29] <mole__> SIR_Taco: thanks man! that was the right thing to say to me
[04:29] <mole__> lol
[04:29] <mole__> SIR_Taco: i think that's a bot
[04:29] <SIR_Taco> mole__: haha ok
[04:31] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: "cp 'yourfile.png'  /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png" and then "sudo update-grub"
[04:32] <SIR_Taco> almost pasted my tattoo pic lol
[04:37] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, are you an op on here?
[04:37] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: lol no
[04:38] <Firefishe> Is there a volume-balance control in kde 4.5.x?
[04:38] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: what do you mean exactly?
[04:40] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: you mean 'normalizing' the audio? (ie. setting a max/average volume)
[04:40] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Well, I can't seem to find any sound balance (Left----Right) control in kde anywhere.  I have to use gnome's volume control system applet to change it.
[04:41] <Firefishe> luckily, I use everything, so I can usually make something work ;)
[04:42] <Firefishe> My primary vexation, however, is that whenever I log in (to any desktop), I have my Left---Right (Balance) almost all the way to the left, though not all the way.  I have to use gnome's system configuration to change it.
[04:42] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: Kmix doesn't provide left and right control, unfortunately.... you can us 'alsamixer' in the command line and/or konsole
[04:42] <Firefishe> My wife's user doesn't experience this.
[04:42] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: I'm kind of curious by kde doesn't have a native interface to change the balance control.
[04:43] <Firefishe> by=why
[04:43] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: I have no answer for that :)
[04:44] <SIR_Taco> it should.... for sure... but it doesn't... yet
[04:44] <mole__> Firefishe: alsamixer :)
[04:44] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: k.  Perhaps I should add something to the code base....
[04:44] <Firefishe> mole__: True, that does work.
[04:44] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: I've been thinking the same thing for a while.... just haven't had the time for it
[04:45] <mole__> Firefishe: kde 3.5 was may more complete and polished than KDE even at 4.6.2
[04:45] <mole__> it's definitely lacking what it used to have but eventually it'll get there... i have hope
[04:46] <Firefishe> mole__: Is there a way to get back to 3.5.10?  I'm kinda missing it, and wouldn't mind having it for a choice alongside everything else.
[04:46] <mole__> it's bad times but whatever... kde 4.6.2 is still the besst
[04:46] <mole__> Firefishe: who knows... i always upgrade because there are some things that are better
[04:46] <mole__> but yeah... obviously everyone misses kde 3.5
[04:46] <Firefishe> mole__: Is there a ppa for 10.04 for 4.6.2?
[04:46] <mole__> i dunno
[04:46] <SIR_Taco> seriously?
[04:47] <mole__> i just upgraded to 11.04 and whent super smooth
[04:47] <ssfdre38> well its still on the default grub background
[04:47] <mole__> so...
[04:47] <mole__> Qt: 4.7.2
[04:47] <mole__> KDE Development Platform: 4.6.2 (4.6.2)
[04:47] <mole__> kde4-config: 1.0
[04:47] <FloodBotK1> mole__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:47] <Firefishe> Oh, 11.04 is out now?
[04:47] <mole__> yes and it's worth the upgrade
[04:47] <Firefishe> from LTS?
[04:47] <mole__> went smooth from 10.10 for me
[04:47] <mole__> i dunno
[04:48] <ssfdre38> Firefishe, dont upgrade from LTS
[04:48] <mole__> the only thing that went awry with my buddy's ubuntu 10.10 was his ati driver but that was fixable
[04:49] <Firefishe> One thing that is completely annoying me, is every time konqueror is called from another application as the URL handler, I get multiple instances, all at once, and usually end up having to kill the x server.
[04:49] <mole__> sounds ghetto
[04:49] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: what's the line about 6th from the bottom of your /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme say for set_background_image?
[04:49] <mole__> i don't even use konqueror any more at all
[04:49] <mole__> just dolphin and chromium
[04:50] <mole__> although dolphin really pisses me off and konqueror used to be awesome in kde 3.5
[04:50] <mole__> :(
[04:50] <Firefishe> I have an Asus G50V.  Chromium--and even Chrome--don't work on my machine at all.  I get a kernel panic.
[04:50] <mole__> lol
[04:50] <SIR_Taco> I've been using KDE for over a decade... and I don't miss 3.5 anymore
[04:50] <mole__> SIR_Taco: me too, but there are some things
[04:50] <mole__> that fail
[04:50] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: I don't either, really ;)
[04:51] <Firefishe> I'm well into the 4.5.x hierarchy, and will probably just stay there.
[04:51] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, under the same dir bit its not working
[04:51] <mole__> i've filed one bug.. i'll test it soon but someone already reported it not working in 4.6.2
[04:51] <mole__> on bugs.kde
[04:51] <Firefishe> ssfdre38: Do you mean don't upgrade from LTS to 11.04, or 10.10?  I could upgrade to 10.10 from here, first, then to 11.04, correct?
[04:51] <Firefishe> mole__: What is that?
[04:51] <mole__> umm
[04:52] <mole__> hold on
[04:52] <SIR_Taco> 4.6.2 of what?
[04:52] <mole__> it's in all of 4 series
[04:52] <mole__> it irritates me everyday
[04:52] <mole__> i want to stab it
[04:52] <ssfdre38> Firefishe, just wait till the kubuntu 12.04LTS
[04:53] <Firefishe> ssfdre38: When's that scheduled to be out?
[04:53] <mole__> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264557
[04:53] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: version of KDE has nothing to do with Grub
[04:53] <ssfdre38> Firefishe, apr 2012
[04:53] <mole__> weird
[04:53] <mole__> someone confirmed it i thot
[04:54] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, its set to /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
[04:54] <Firefishe> ssfdre38: Well, that's next year.  I may want to upgrade before that ;).  It would be nice to see konqueror working again, and not spawning endless child processes.
[04:54] <Firefishe> ...as well as have chromium working properly
[04:55] <ssfdre38> well if you want to you can im just saying for LTS releases just wait
[04:55] <mole__> you probably have it weirdly installed
[04:55] <mole__> Firefishe: it totally should work
[04:55] <Firefishe> mole__: You mean chromium?
[04:55] <mole__> yeah
[04:55] <Firefishe> sudo apt-get install chromium
[04:55] <Firefishe> what's hard about that?
[04:55] <Firefishe> I've done that multiple times.
[04:56] <mole__> if you install strace
[04:56] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: when you do the "sudo update-grub" does it list "desktop-grub.png" anywhere?
[04:56] <mole__> and run
[04:56] <mole__> strace chromium-browser
[04:56] <mole__> you will understand why your browser is crashing
[04:56] <ssfdre38> no
[04:56] <mole__> you are probably linked to a bad library
[04:57] <mole__> that you need to upgrade or reinstall proper version of
[04:57] <Firefishe> mole__: It doesn't just crash the browser.  When it happens (and it's always the same), the entire computer stops and my caps lock indicator light blinks slowly, on and off..
[04:57] <mole__> that would be your video card driver crashing
[04:57] <mole__> do you know what kind of videocard and what driver you are using?
[04:58] <Firefishe> then the proprietary driver I'm using for my effects is interacting weirdly with chromium's rendering engine.
[04:58] <mole__> which one?
[04:58] <Firefishe> let me check
[04:58] <mole__> ati or nvidia?
[04:58] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: for example: mine says "Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png"
[04:58] <Firefishe> nvidia
[04:58] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, nope
[04:58] <mole__> are you sure you are using bbinary
[04:58] <mole__> or are you using nouveau?
[04:59] <Firefishe> mole__: I'm not sure.
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: what version are you basing your OS off?
[04:59] <mole__> glxinfo | grep -i nvidia
[04:59] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, 11.04
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: so you should have grub2 then
[04:59] <mole__> grep -i nvidia /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:59] <ssfdre38> yes
[05:01] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: you can always try installing kde-config-grub2 and see if you can chage it that way
[05:01] <Firefishe> mole:  Here's the output:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/603971/
[05:01] <Firefishe> I use good ol' regular grub
[05:02] <mole__> okay yes... so binary driver
[05:02] <mole__> is your xorg.conf empty?
[05:03] <ssfdre38> Firefishe, that is what im using too im just trying to put a background on it like how i did on Debian http://irc.ssfdre38.com/e10.4.jpg
[05:03] <Firefishe> mole:  checking
[05:03] <Greenery> i tried upgrading 10.10 to 11.04 but couldn't. Currently I'm on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.6.2
[05:04] <ssfdre38> Greenery, on your terminal type sudo do-release-update
[05:04] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: so you are or you're not using grub2?
[05:04] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, i am
[05:04] <Greenery> ssfdre38: command not found
[05:05] <mole__> Firefishe: this looks promising http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[05:05] <mole__> but you may only want to try it if you know what you are doing
[05:05] <mole__> i don't want to leave you with a black screen lol
[05:05] <SIR_Taco> and at the end of your 05_debian _theme the line matches what I quoted above?
[05:05] <Greenery> ssfdre38: is it sudo do-release-update or sudo do-release-upgrade?
[05:05] <ssfdre38> do-release-upgrade
[05:06] <Greenery> ah okay
[05:06] <Firefishe> mole__: Here's my xorg.conf output:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/603974/
[05:06] <Firefishe> not much there
[05:06] <ssfdre38> but you need to update the distro first Greenery
[05:06] <mole__> Firefishe: looks safe
[05:07] <Firefishe> mole__: Relative to chromium-browser, neither Firefox 4 nor Opera 10.1 are affected.
[05:07] <Greenery> ssfdre38: updated already with latest packages for my 10.10, so its fine for me to do the command now right?
[05:07] <ssfdre38> yes
[05:07] <mole__> Firefishe: you could check Xorg.0.log after crash
[05:07] <mole__> and also dmesg
[05:07] <Firefishe> mole__: after using strace?
[05:08] <mole__> no
[05:08] <mole__> disregard strace
[05:08] <Firefishe> k
[05:08] <mole__> that is if it was just randomly crashing
[05:08] <mole__> not tanking X
[05:08] <Firefishe> mole__: Yes, this is a regularly occuring theme ;)
[05:08] <Firefishe> mole__: Although, after I had it uninstalled for a while, I reinstalled it, and it behaved for a long time.  Then it just started crashing agian.
[05:08] <Firefishe> again
[05:09] <ssfdre38> SIR_Taco, GRUB2 is what is on all ubuntu distros since 9.10
[05:09] <mole__> u could also try
[05:09] <mole__> sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-common
[05:10] <mole__> then reboot
[05:10] <mole__> errr
[05:10] <mole__> sorry
[05:10] <mole__> i meant
[05:10] <mole__> sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-current
[05:10] <FloodBotK1> mole__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:10] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: yea, thanks... just trying to figure out why yours isn't being nice
[05:10] <ssfdre38> i dont know
[05:13] <Firefishe> mole__: I understand the manual install stuff coherently enough.  I just don't want to do anything too dire.  I'm having 2 major issues with 10.04 on my machine:  1)  The chromium x/crash bug, and 2) konqueror spawning multiple windows when called from another program as the browser/url handler,.
[05:13] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: your desktop-grub.png file is actually there?
[05:13] <ssfdre38> yea
[05:13] <ssfdre38> im looking right at it
[05:13] <Firefishe> mole__: 3) Something not-too-dire:  When I log in, my volume Balance is almost all the way to the left.  My wife's user doesn't have this problem.  So far, I haven't found any reason for it.
[05:14] <mole__> umm
[05:14] <mole__> Firefishe: set it properly using alsamixer
[05:14] <mole__> then use
[05:14] <mole__> alsactl store
[05:16] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: I have no idea then, that's how I've always done it in the past
[05:16] <ssfdre38> well im asking on #grub right now
[05:17] <ssfdre38> just nobody is answering
[05:18] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: well their more the experts than I am
[05:18] <ssfdre38> lol
[05:20] <Firefishe> mole__: I'm going to log out and back in, and see if that worked.
[05:20] <Firefishe> brb
[05:20] <mole__> lol okay
[05:23] <mole__> win or fail?
[05:24] <Firefishe> mole__: fail  Balance control was still almost all the way to the left, still.
[05:24] <mole__> shitty
[05:24] <mole__> i wouldn't be surprised if your gnome app is what is screwing it up
[05:24] <mole__> rm -r .gconf/apps/gnome-alsamixer
[05:24] <mole__> if you are pissed off enough
[05:24] <mole__> err
[05:24] <mole__> rm -r ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-alsamixer
[05:25] <Firefishe> mole__: will that force a new file to be created?
[05:25] <mole__> who cares if u're running kde
[05:26] <mole__> one time i had a problem with the multimedia key module of kde
[05:26] <mole__> was screwing up my volume
[05:26] <mole__> sounds weird but if i stopped it from loading it worked properly
[05:26] <Firefishe> mole__: I use gnome on occasion, so I don't want to delete something that can't be replaced.
[05:26] <mole__> oh don't worry
[05:26] <mole__> it'll recreate it self
[05:26] <mole__> worst case you reinstall the app
[05:26] <Firefishe> mole__: That's what I needed to hear.  No problems.
[05:27] <Firefishe> mole__: I'll check out the file first, I always do. :)
[05:27] <mole__> yeah
[05:27] <mole__> u can mv ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-alsamixer ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-alsamixer_backup
[05:29] <mole__> u can also try this
[05:29] <Firefishe> mole__: There is no .gconf/apps/gnome-alsamixer.  Neither directory nor file.
[05:29] <mole__> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio :)
[05:29] <mole__> weird
[05:29] <Firefishe> mole__: that's asking for more problems if I remove pulse.
[05:29] <mole__> it might fix it
[05:30] <Firefishe> mole__: yes, but pulseaudio is gnome's primary output, and I've had problems with things not working without it.  This laptop is weird.
[05:30] <mole__> u could also try
[05:30] <mole__> sudo alsactl store
[05:30] <Firefishe> mole__: did that
[05:30] <Firefishe> fact is, it wouldn't work any other way
[05:31] <mole__> well that's no fun
[05:32] <Firefishe> mole__: I may have permissions issues as far as I can tell.  I'm about ready to just save all my files to my windows partition, delete my primary user, then recreate it when I know everything in /home/myusername is and /usr/share/myusername is gone.
[05:35] <SIR_Taco> sorry Firefishe... haven't been paying attention... you're having left/right volume issues?
[05:35] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: I'm having Balance issues.  When I log in, my balance is way over to the left, though not all the way.  I have to use gnome-volume-control to correct it.
[05:36] <Firefishe> Volume control, itself, is linked fine, they go up and down together.
[05:36] <SIR_Taco> gnome? or kmix?
[05:36] <mole__> Firefishe: does it do it in mplayer?
[05:36] <Firefishe> I'm on kde at the moment.  I have gnome and xfce installed, too.
[05:37] <Firefishe> mole__: I haven't checked it.  I don't use mplayer much, mostly xine.
[05:37] <mole__> try
[05:37] <Firefishe> This box is such a Heinz 57 mongrel, it's not even funny ;)
[05:38] <SIR_Taco> and you're absolutely sure that your other users have no problem? (ie... the jack is all the way plugged it.... not trying to be an ass)
[05:38] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: The only other person on my laptop is my wife, and her user doesn't have the problem.
[05:39] <SIR_Taco> ah, it's a laptop, so no plug problems
[05:39] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: And no issues on the ass part ;) LOL *duck*
[05:39] <mole__> sorry i couldn't help
[05:39] <mole__> i'm shleepin now
[05:39] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Asus G50V
[05:39] <Firefishe> mole__: You've helped a lot
[05:39] <Firefishe> thank you, and sleep well. :)
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: levels aren't messed up in alsamixer?
[05:40] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Well, let's just see...
[05:41] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Looking at it in my terminal window, alsamixer is showing all volume levels to be equal
[05:42] <SIR_Taco> by default *buntu is set to have separate configurations for sound per-user (if I remember correctly)
[05:42] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: not left/right differences?
[05:42] <Firefishe> I don't actually see where I'd view that
[05:43] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: usually... there are two bars per audio input/output....
[05:45] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: I'm viewing the command line version.  I'm showing one bar.  Let's say Master and PCM.  Both have one multicolored bar (green/white/red--vertical) and show, at the bottom, or base, of the meter bar, two numbers like this:  81<>81
[05:45] <Firefishe> Verson of alsamixer is 1.0.22
[05:46] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: just checked mine... seems they have done away with the left/right.... odd
[05:46] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Is there a way to downgrade to a previous edition to get the functionality back?
[05:47] <Firefishe> I don't like this trend that I see, that being an apparent 'less is more' type of attitude with deference to interfaces.
[05:48] <SIR_Taco> not really... but at the same time you shouldn't have this problem either lol
[05:48] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: It's a  weird thing.  The only gui app that's picking up the problem  seems to be gnome-volume-control.
[05:49] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: I am scractching my brain
[05:50] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Regarding what mole__ said earlier, I also don't have .gconf/apps/gnome-alsamixer
[05:50] <Firefishe> at all
[05:50] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: but you have Kubuntu yea?
[05:51] <Firefishe> kubuntu, ubuntu, and xubuntu.  Also have e17, openbox, fluxbox, etc.
[05:52] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: ok, but what was your base install? Kubuntu? Ubuntu?
[05:52] <Firefishe> Kubuntu
[05:52] <Firefishe> Lucid
[05:53] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: what is your Wife logging into/using?
[05:54] <Firefishe> kubuntu/kde 4.5.x
[05:54] <Firefishe> we use the same desktop
[05:54] <Firefishe> she never uses any other
[05:55] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: and if you log into another DE, you get the same audio problems?
[05:56] <Firefishe> Yes
[05:56] <Firefishe> with gnome, anyway.  xfce, I think so, but I don' t use it much.
[05:56] <SIR_Taco> but your wife doesn't?
[05:57] <Firefishe> no
[05:57] <Firefishe> only kde
[05:57] <Firefishe> It was enough to have weaned her away from xp years ago ;)
[05:57] <SIR_Taco> haha ok
[05:57] <Firefishe> *doze xp broke, so we either had a choice:  gnu/linux or nothing.  easy choice.
[05:58] <Firefishe> no regrets, either, for her.  she loves not having to reboot all the time, no spyware/malware problems, etc.
[06:00] <SIR_Taco> well... what I would suggest trying... if you haven't tried it yet... log out of kde. Open a console ALT-F2 and go to your home directory "cd /home/<name>/" and type "mv .kde .kde-bak" and reboot
[06:00] <SIR_Taco> you'll lose all your settings though, just a warning
[06:02] <SIR_Taco> I guess CTRL-ALT-F2...
[06:04] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Umm...hold on
[06:05] <SIR_Taco> ok
[06:06] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: That used to be the old way to do that, just delete .kde and start over from scratch. Thing is, if I do that, everything will be nixxed.
[06:06] <Firefishe> Also, the config files are in .kde/shar/config now.
[06:06] <Firefishe> .kde/share/config rather
[06:06] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: true... that's why you move it, not remove it... you can always put it back :)
[06:07] <Firefishe> deleting the .kde/* directory recursively may have dire consequences.
[06:07] <Firefishe> let me reread your suggestions above
[06:08] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Well, it can't hurt to try
[06:08] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: I mean, this is what gnu/linux is about, anyway, experimenting....carefully ;)
[06:08] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: that was my thought.... I was out of ideas haha
[06:09] <Firefishe> okay, here goes
[06:09] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: the other option is to create a new user, make sure it all works well... and remove the old one
[06:09] <Firefishe> brb
[06:09] <SIR_Taco> ok
[06:09] <Firefishe> I like my old one too much ;) hee
[06:09] <Firefishe> but I"ve done that too, before, depends. ;) hee
[06:09] <Firefishe> here we go.
[06:15] <noaXess> morning
[06:15] <SIR_Taco> morning
[06:15] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Well, that is interesting.  A new, shiny desktop!  Also, no balance problems.  The culprit is probably in the .kde/share/config area.
[06:16] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: so it worked?
[06:16] <noaXess> if i ssh/login into my 10.04.2 servers i get the welcome message twice... one without information about updates, the other with inforation about updates.. the second one is wrong, cause all updates are installed..
[06:17] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Well, it reset everything.  Of course, all my desktop art is trashed, my compiz effects no longer works, and everything else.  I have to reset everything ;) LOL
[06:17] <SIR_Taco>  but audio is fine now?
[06:18] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Yes, the volume control was in the center, and not to the extreme left
[06:18] <Firefishe> ..or almost-to-the-extreme-left
[06:20] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: However, I think I'm going to delete the new .kde and put back the old one.  Obviously, it's one of those files.  Or, more than likely.
[06:20] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: very true, isolating it would be good
[06:21] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Now, this is good, but it also doesn't explain why konqueror wants to spawn multiple windows-at-once when called from other apps, or why chromium crashes my x server.
[06:22] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: can't help you with that unfortunately, I uninstall Konq whenever I install Kubuntu... just don't like it
[06:23] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: First of all, I'm going to get my old .kde back....be a sec.
[06:23] <SIR_Taco> ok
[06:23] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Also, thanks for the help on the volume/balance issue.  I can probably find it from here.
[06:23] <SIR_Taco> no problem
[06:28] <alesan> hi! since I upgraded to 11.04, it does not login automatically anymore
[06:28] <alesan> it was a very useful feature, any idea how to re-activate it?
[06:28] <Firefishe> alesan:  I think that can be set in the login manager area
[06:28] <Firefishe> or user accounts
[06:29] <alesan> mh best would be to know which file to edit... but let me see if I have luck with the control panel
[06:29] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: I wonder if 11.04 has eliminated that feature, too ;).
[06:29] <Firefishe> alesan.  kubuntu?
[06:29] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: I don't think so, should still be able to
[06:30] <SIR_Taco> I remember there being problems in the beta for that.... but it had been resolved if I remember correctly
[06:31] <Firefishe> alesan:  It doesn't seem to be present in 10.04 (my system) in System Settings > User Management
[06:31] <alesan> Firefishe, yes of course kubuntu, what is this channel abut?
[06:31] <Firefishe> alesan:  Got IT!
[06:32] <alesan> :)
[06:32] <Firefishe> alesan:  System Settings > Login Screen > Convenience Tab
[06:32] <alesan> I mean I was using it with 10.10
[06:32] <alesan> convenience!
[06:32] <alesan> I would have never guessed
[06:32] <Aluete> someone knows how to change the server???
[06:32] <Firefishe> alesan: Enable Auto-Login
[06:33] <Firefishe> alesan: choose your user, and I guess you're done.  I don't know what the Lock Session check box does, though.
[06:33] <alesan> yes
[06:33] <SIR_Taco> argh... women will be the death of me lol
[06:33] <alesan> well it will lock the screen so you have to enter the passwor
[06:33] <alesan> d
[06:33] <Firefishe> wimmin trubble, Taco?
[06:35] <Firefishe> brb...nature calls
[06:35] <SIR_Taco> try to be direct with breaking up.... but there always seems to be some catch lol
[06:36] <SIR_Taco> guilt trips suck too
[06:40] <alesan> thanks!
[06:40] <alesan> at the end it was much simpler to edit /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[06:40] <alesan> but at least that hint allowed me to understand where it was
[06:41] <alesan> for whatever reason the control panel did not shoe all my users
[06:41] <alesan> root was missing for example
[06:41] <SIR_Taco> I thought every girl read that "he's just not that into you" book lol
[06:52] <SIR_Taco> need sleep.... good night, good morning, or good day depending on where you are
[07:26] <Who> guys a quick question , ATI Radeon Linux Display Drivers 11.4 vs ATi OSS drivers which would be better ?
[07:32] <mr0wl> ask #linux
[07:33] <mr0wl> I haven't messed with ATi in a long time
[07:44] <Morfin> Russian chenel?
[07:44] <Morfin> !rus
[07:58] <Morfin> Как называется оболочка kde для скачивания с сервера?
[08:00] <grekhem> всем привет
[08:02] <valorie> !ru | Morfin
[08:04] <Morfin> Thanks
[08:07] <bkovacs> Hello
[08:34] <hitman3r44> hi can any one tell me what are new features in kubi=untu 11.04 (natty)
[09:25] <acid> hi :(
[09:26] <MK``> hi :o
[09:27] <acid> I just had a _very_ weird and annoying problem
[09:27] <acid> all my .kde settings are gone
[09:27] <acid> this morning I started my computer fine, kde shows up normally
[09:28] <acid> then I let the computer alone and when I came back to screen was black and unresponsive. No hd activity either
[09:28] <acid> so I did the RIESUB thing
[09:29] <acid> and when it restarted, kdm shows up, without my login (that it normally remember)
[09:29] <Keshl> Did you wait a few seconds (About 20) between each keypress when you did that?
[09:29] <acid> yes I did
[09:29] <Keshl> Okay, continue.
[09:29] <acid> and when logged in, I get a sh*ty metacity window and no border
[09:30] <Keshl> Sounds like X windows..
[09:30] <acid> I dpkg-reconfigured kdm and choosed gdm instead, rebooted, could should the kde 'session'
[09:30] <acid> yep
[09:30] <acid> and now I'm a brand new kde installation
[09:30] <Keshl> Well, yeah, you reinstalled KDE..
[09:30] <acid> I checked the /home/acid directory
[09:30] <acid> it's really wieard
[09:30] <Keshl> No, you reinstalled KDE <.<
[09:31] <Keshl> Of course you're gunna loose your configureation.
[09:31] <acid> how come ?
[09:31] <Keshl> You know how two files with the same name can't exist in the same folder?
[09:31] <Keshl> That's why.
[09:31] <acid> i never asked to "reinstall" kde :(
[09:31] <Keshl> dpkg-reconfigure == reinstall.
[09:31] <Keshl> Well, not exactly.
[09:31] <acid> kdm isn't kde is it ?
[09:31] <Keshl> Yep.
[09:32] <Keshl> KDE is the entire suite, KDM is the desktop manager.
[09:32] <acid> yes
[09:32] <Keshl> Chances are when you did REISUB all you had to do was select KDE as your DE.
[09:32] <Keshl> There's a button for it.
[09:32] <acid> hum
[09:32] <Keshl> I forget exactly where (Been a while since I've seen Kubuntu's normal login screen), but you'd just have to switch it to KDE.
[09:33] <acid> I didn't know riesub could reinstall a desktop, and wipe the configuration file at the same time :'(
[09:33] <Keshl> BUt, yeah. Your problem is user error, it's fine. Stuff happens.
[09:33] <Keshl> It didn't.
[09:33] <Keshl> X is always there.
[09:33] <Keshl> It has to be, KDE runs off of X, even.
[09:33] <Keshl> And then you paniced when you saw X, and did dpkg-reconfigure.
[09:33] <Keshl> on KDE*
[09:33] <Keshl> KDM*
[09:34] <Keshl> That wiped your config files.
[09:34] <acid> I'm in kde now, my only real problem (configuring kde again isn't a problem), is that I lost my std.ics file and saves for korganizer, that's a REAL bummer for me :(
[09:34] <Keshl> At least, that's what I can gather. I'm no expert here, but, it seems pretty logical.
[09:34] <Keshl> Backups help. <.<
[09:34] <acid> i'll check the .bash_history
[09:34] <Keshl> If a file is really important, back it up.
[09:35] <acid> Keshl: when I did the RIESUB, all I had was a black screen and unresponsive computer
[09:35] <Keshl> Yes, that's true.
[09:35] <Keshl> And then when you rebooted and logged in you came to X instead of KDE.
[09:35] <acid> what's really odd to
[09:35] <Keshl> Sometimes stuff like that happens.
[09:35] <Keshl> It's a failsafe.
[09:36] <acid> is that my mozilla configuration files are gone too !
[09:36] <Keshl> If KDE caused the error and every login you did then crashed and made you REISUB..
[09:36] <Keshl> ...Okay, now things are weird. <.<
[09:37] <acid> I have one question : could it be possible that's I'm right now using the "default" kubuntu installation files, while my real files aren't decrypted somewhere ?
[09:37] <Keshl> I have no idea at this point.
[09:37] <acid> (I choosed "encrypt home folder" and installation)
[09:37] <Keshl> Wait for someone who knows more than me.
[09:37] <acid> at
[09:38] <acid> on the other hand, my ~/.bash_history file is legit with entries prior to the "bug"
[09:38] <acid> :/
[09:38]  * acid is becoming sligthly crazy
[09:38] <Keshl> Well, your name /is/ Acid. -pets at-
[09:39] <acid> indeed
[09:40] <acid> for info, I did `dpkg-reconfigure kdm`, not kde
[09:53] <acid> looks bad :(
[09:59] <sobczyk_> hi, is there a terminal version of upgrading to natty? the kde upgrade program hangs when setting repositories
[10:00] <Keshl> Natty's 11.04 right?
[10:00] <Keshl> Just making sure, still kinda half-new around here.
[10:01] <susundberg> google shows: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:02] <valorie> sobczyk_: also, you can wget the ISO file, burn it to a liveUSB or CD
[10:02] <valorie> and upgrade from that
[10:03] <valorie> of course you can torrent it too
[10:03] <sobczyk_> something is bugged or the core program is bugged
[10:04] <sobczyk_> I meant slow :)
[10:04] <sobczyk_> after downloading the repositories is "hangs" when processing changes
[10:05] <sobczyk_> I'm not sure if it really hung because it does some dist write
[10:11] <maitrey_> hi, question: I am running ubuntu 10.04 and need a system on my second computer. I am thinking to get 10.10 is it a good idea or does it still have a lots of bugs (as when I've tested it 6month ago). thanks
[10:13] <susundberg> maitrey_: current release is 11.04 -- i would go with that if its not a server
[10:13] <susundberg> surely it will contain some bugs still, if you want bug free system i suggest sticking with release that has long-term-support
[10:13] <susundberg> maitrey_: i am using it (11.04) and it works fine with me
[10:14] <maitrey_> susundberg: ok, i'll that too. It's just that I
[10:15] <maitrey_> have heard it's too much buggy
[10:19] <susundberg> maitrey_: give a try with livecd (do use daily image)
[10:20] <iomari> greetings, can someone tell  me where I can get the wallpaper for kubuntu live 11.04?
[10:23] <TeslaTony> Right now I'm using the Kubuntu 11.04 liveusb, and I am only given the option for the plasma netbook interface, not the desktop interface. I am pretty sure I downloaded the desktop version of the disk. What's going on?
[10:52] <iomari> greetings, can someone tell  me where I can get the wallpaper for kubuntu live 11.04?
[11:13] <HouseMD> is there a workarround for the nvidia bug (random pixels on X, even with desktop effects disabled) or have to wait for a new driver?
[11:16] <darthanubis> good question
[11:47] <LetsGo67> Hello! Here's the scoop: my Ubuntu computer is hooked up to an iMac. But the iMac has a 169 IP address and cannot browse the Internet. What should i do?
[11:48] <tsimpson> !ics | LetsGo67
[11:49] <LetsGo67> tsimpson: it usually works.  :(
[11:49] <tsimpson> not without a DHCP service, or static IPs
[11:49] <tsimpson> the 196 range is for avahi/zeroconf
[11:50] <LetsGo67> Time for a reboot.
[11:50] <LetsGo67> Thanks and ttyl!
[12:01] <russiachand> hello to everyone
[12:03] <Gizmo__> hello, who has developt kubuntu ?
[12:06] <Peace-> Gizmo__: who?
[12:06] <Peace-> Gizmo__: everyone
[12:08] <Gizmo__> do every one know who developed kubuntu?
[12:11] <Peace-> Gizmo__: ...
[12:27] <chilmaaster> Hey guys
[12:30] <chilmaaster> can someone pls help me out? I'm trying to run a shell script (bash) with a mouseclick but nothing is happening.Script has execution permissions
[12:30] <chilmaaster> i'm using Kubuntu 10.04
[12:31] <chilmaaster> no ideas? :(
[12:32] <tsimpson> how do you know it doesn't run?
[12:33] <Peace-> chilmaaster:
[12:33] <chilmaaster> because it should ask for a su pw
[12:33] <tsimpson> why?
[12:34] <Peace-> run a script
[12:34] <Peace-> cd WHEREISTHESCRIPT
[12:34] <Peace-> ./nameofscript
[12:34] <chilmaaster> well because the file i'm editing trough the script needs su permissions
[12:34] <Peace-> sudo ./namescript
[12:34] <Peace-> if you need root
[12:35] <tsimpson> chilmaaster: if the script doesn't use a GUI password program, how can it ask unless you run it in an interactive terminal?
[12:37] <chilmaaster> thx guys 4 your answers. My script is working fine when i run it in cli but now i just want the cli to pop up and run the script (incl. entering the pw) when i click on it in my home folder
[12:38] <chilmaaster> the commandline just doesn't appear when i click on it
[12:40] <tsimpson> chilmaaster: you will need to replace the command line "sudo" with the graphical "kdesudo"
[12:41] <chilmaaster> thank you tsimpson. is that the reason why the comand line doesn't appear?
[12:42] <tsimpson> because you need a terminal open to see it, when you run the script the script runs, just not in a terminal
[12:42] <aseigo> anyone know where i can get a look at the patches applied to kubuntu's kdeplasma-addons package (if any)?
[12:42] <tsimpson> scripts don't need terminals to run
[12:42]  * aseigo has a strange backtrace that seems quite specific to kubuntu's 4.6.2 packages
[12:43] <chilmaaster> awesome
[12:44] <chilmaaster> thanks very much tsimpson
[12:44] <Peace-> aseigo: hi :)
[12:45] <chilmaaster> lil stupid 2nd question: how can i change now the icon of this script
[12:45] <chilmaaster> ?
[12:45] <tsimpson> aseigo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/kdeplasma-addons/natty/files/head:/debian/patches/
[12:45] <Peace-> aseigo: maybe here ? https://code.launchpad.net/kdeplasma-addons
[12:46] <tsimpson> aseigo: also #kubuntu-devel should be able to help
[12:47] <tsimpson> chilmaaster: you'd need to create a link (shortcut) to the script and choose an icon for that afaik, the icon for the script file is based on the type of file
[12:48] <aseigo> ah, there's a -devel channel. thanks.. will check there if that link doesn't pan out. cheers..
[12:49] <aseigo> tsimpson: thanks. that was it :)
[12:51] <chilmaaster> thanks tsimpson. i guess it is a "link to programm"?
[12:51] <tsimpson> yeah
[12:52] <iomari> what is the wallpaper used on kubuntu 11.04 live cd?
[12:52] <chilmaaster> where  do i need to enter which path?
[12:52] <chilmaaster> sorry
[12:55] <mac_> where are you\
[13:00] <chilmaaster> any idea how i can do a simple kde output dialog on a script?
[13:00] <Peace-> chilmaaster: of course
[13:00] <Peace-> kdialog
[13:01] <Peace-> chilmaaster: kdialog
[13:01] <Peace-> chilmaaster: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/kdialog-qdbus-progress-bar/
[13:01] <Peace-> chilmaaster: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/kdialog-set-position-on-the-screen/
[13:02] <chilmaaster> thank you peace
[13:45] <amokk> hi
[13:47] <amokk> ¿can you update ubuntu/kubuntu? since installing all servers are extremely slow so can't update anything
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:55] <mobme> how
[15:00] <LetsGo67> Hello!  Does Kubuntu have Unity?
[15:00] <Pici> LetsGo67: No.
[15:00] <LetsGo67> Good.  :)
[15:00] <slinker1> hehe
[15:01] <LetsGo67> slinker1: Why does LibreOffice take three icons?
[15:03] <slinker1> ?
[15:04] <slinker1> you mean one for writer one for impress etc...?
[15:28] <pjpj_> is there a way to turn off my laptop touch pad in Kubuntu?
[15:28] <Who> yes
[15:29] <pjpj_> how?
[15:29] <Who> you mean compeletly or when typing ?
[15:29] <Who> or when mouse is connected ?
[15:30] <Who> anyway press alt + f2 , then type synaptiks
[15:30] <Who> see the options there
[15:31] <pjpj_> I would to turn it off when typing with my mouse also connected.
[15:31] <Who> yes so do what i have told ,  press alt + f2 , then type synaptiks
[15:37] <pjpj_> it worked!  thanks a lot.
[15:41] <zero_> is there any particular reason for knotify4 to use 100% cpu?
[15:46] <Guest76402> hi, im totally new to kubuntu, i used linux mint before, can someone tell me how to get codecs for mp3, mpeg and other things?
[15:47] <MK``> !mp3
[15:47] <AlexZion> probably just openingamarok andtrying to play an .mp3...
[15:48] <AlexZion> it should comes out a pop up to install the missing codecs ...
[15:48] <Guest76402> i did but it says that i have to get some stuff from the net to play mp3 but when i want to get that it says that i cant download it becase of some problem
[15:51] <Magnusson> anyone got an idea as to why i'm unable to get my microphone to capture sounds when i'm trying to speak into it
[15:55] <Guest76402> hey there tnx im getting those codecs right now thank you ubbotu
[15:56] <Guest76402> -clear
[15:59] <Guest76402> by the way is there any known issues with dsl connections? im creating a dsl connection but can't find it on connections page by clicking on the network icon in the main panel
[16:00] <Guest76402> ??
[16:00] <ututu> Guest76402, there should be a kppp apps in the internet category
[16:01] <Guest76402> but isn't this kppp for dial up?
[16:03] <ututu> Guest76402,  not in kde right now but that's where you set it up.  Not sure but you can add also in the plasmoid
[16:04] <ututu> Guest76402, normally you should have a router between your pc and dsl modem
[16:05] <ututu> Guest76402, you set thins up in dsl modem once and just plug your pc in router ports
[16:07] <BluesKaj>  Guest76402 , have tried setting up you etherent connection in network manager...your router is what getermines your dsl settings not the network manager
[16:07] <BluesKaj> err ethernet
[16:09] <Guest76402> i try it now
[16:11] <Guest76402> but it's automatically identified ethernet connection
[16:12] <BluesKaj> Guest76402, open the konsole and copy and paste this : sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[16:14] <Guest76402> responds: the command not found
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Guest76402, try ifconfig
[16:18] <pjpj_> can you access the synaptiks touchpad management programs from the system settings?  or do you always have to run it as a separate program?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> pjpj_, system settings input devices
[16:21] <pjpj_> BlueKaj:   I already looked there, it does have an input devices configuration page but it is not the same as the synaptiks program (i can't seem to turn of the touch pad from the system settings, only buy way of synaptiks)
[16:23] <Peace-> test
[16:24] <BluesKaj> pjpj_, there was a small app for turning off the touchpad triggered by a keystroke , sorry but I can't recall the name
[16:25] <pjpj_> i don't mind having to run the synaptiks program by itself.  but it just seems wierd that it is not integrated with the system settings-- it feels logical to me that there is where you should go if you wish to turn the touch pad on/off.
[16:27] <BluesKaj> yup, I used a mouse with my laptop, so the touchpad was permanently turned off
[16:27] <pjpj_> having a desktop widget or panel icon to click would also nice a nice thing (along with the option to set a hotkey)
[16:48] <naught101> is there any software that let you run a slideshow of all images in a directory, and it's sub-directories?
[16:49] <Linkmaster> Its possible, though it depends on what your trying to do
[16:49] <diconico07> naught101: digikam ?
[16:49] <naught101> diconico07: ok, will try that
[16:50] <Linkmaster> naught101: What do you want to do? [Digikam is very nice by the way]
[16:51] <naught101> Linkmaster: er... run a slideshow with all the images in a directory, as well as all the images in it's sub-directories?
[16:51] <Linkmaster> Derp..I just didn't know if you wanted it a background process or something :P but DigiKam, Gwenview, and a couple others are all very nice
[16:52] <naught101> gwenview doesn't do it...
[16:53] <Linkmaster> Then try DigiKam, its bigger then Gwenview, but at the same time it gives you a LOT more features
[16:57] <BluesKaj> gwenview will give a slideshow , but you need to cleck next manually, there's no timer auto settings
[16:58] <James147> BluesKaj: no you dont... there is a play button
[17:00]  * BluesKaj searches for the play button
[17:01] <James147> BluesKaj: after you full screen, move the mouse to the top a menu should appear
[17:01] <Linkmaster> Just click on 'view' and click on 'play slideshow' and it'll play all files in whtever folder your in, naught101, BluesKaj, James147
[17:02] <James147> ^^ or that :)
[17:02] <naught101> sigh...
[17:02] <diconico07> Linkmaster: but not the files in the sub-directories
[17:02] <Linkmaster> Whats wrong?
[17:02] <Linkmaster> I thought they did? :o
[17:02] <naught101> what diconico07 said...
[17:04] <James147> ^^ digikam can do sub folders as well, but it a bit more heavy... but very nice if you want to manage pictures
[17:05] <Linkmaster> Yeah, I suggest DigiKam. I just tried to get Gwenview to show subfolders, and I couldn't :l. But DigiKam is very nice
[17:06] <kubu2> picassa will do it
[17:07] <kubu2> everything on your HD
[17:08] <Linkmaster> Same for digiKam, though digiKam is KDE oriented. What you do is navigate to the specific folder you want to view, along with the subfolders, click 'view -> start slideshow -> all subalbums'
[17:08] <BluesKaj> thanks James147 , found it
[17:09] <BluesKaj> picasa is ok ,but it's too much ..prefer a simpler approach
[17:13]  * BluesKaj wonders if digikam will seethe pics on my phone ...somehow I doubt it ...moto4linux certainly won't
[17:15]  * Linkmaster thinks BluesKaj should try though..Linux is getting more powerful daily
[17:15] <James147> BluesKaj: its a kde application... so I bet if it can then the rest of kde can
[17:20] <BluesKaj> James147, I tried moto4linux with my motorola flip phone , not fancy , just for travelling and occasional use , but it's disappointing that such a comon device doesn't work worth a dam on linux
[17:20]  * Linkmaster thinks that its because large companies hate Linux, and thus try to make it hard to use
[17:21] <James147> Linkmaster: except it seems google :)
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, I think linux is just not even considered , it's too small
[17:22] <Linkmaster> Its not that its too small...its just that nobody wishes to spend the time on free software that they won't get money out of
[17:23] <James147> Linkmaster: Not nobody... just most companies
[17:23] <Linkmaster> Rephrase: people who want to make a profit :P
[17:24] <James147> Linkmaster: ^^ why can they not get money out of linux? People will still pay for the device if it works
[17:25] <James147> Linkmaster: looka t the android and kindel ... both work flawlessly on linux (probally because they both run linux... but still :D )
[17:25] <Linkmaster> They can..but they need to write a whole new code set for it
[17:25] <Linkmaster> Its BECAUSE they run linux actually :P
[17:25] <BluesKaj> linux doesn't even enter their minds is what I really meant, it's beyong their horizon so to speak
[17:25] <James147> Linkmaster: :) still shows its possible...
[17:25] <Linkmaster> Companies don't want to pay for OS X/Windows on the phones/readers, so they grab a frew kernel, make mods and they are done
[17:26] <BluesKaj> beyond
[17:26] <Linkmaster> Its because its too awesome for them to grasp :D
[17:26] <Linkmaster> *free
[17:26] <Linkmaster> but I gotta go, be back later
[17:27] <BluesKaj> BBLL as well, ...news
[17:27] <James147> BluesKaj: but anyway :) when you next decide to buy a device pick one form a company that at least looks at linux :)
[17:29] <BluesKaj> James147, it never occurred to me when we bought the phone ..it's a replacement that's on a pay as you go plan...which suits us
[17:40] <abhi_69> howdy?
[17:42] <sean_w> Hi. I upgraded from Ubuntu  10.10 to 11.04 and hated it. I have now installed kubuntu-desktop. I would have done a fresh install, but I have way to much customization just to get my printer working. How can I rid myself of the ubuntu-desktop packages. I suspect some confilct is causing some of the strange bugs I have right now.
[17:43] <James147> !purekde
[17:43] <James147> though it hasent been updated in awhile :S
[17:45] <Chris_H> Hi, how do I get disconnected from a Virtual Private Network?
[17:47] <Chris_H> Whenever I do a bit with the Network applet (or plasmoid or whatever it is), the whole kwin freezes
[17:47] <Chris_H> and I have no option left, but to restart.
[17:47] <Chris_H> KDE 4.6.2 has been really buggy for me
[17:50] <sean_w> James147: Where might I request an updated version?
[18:19] <sean_w> Is there any group who manages the kbuntu Wikis?
[18:37] <ryrych> good evening ku people :)
[18:38] <jedix> hey, I'm trying to use kdenlive to edit videos, but the sound in my recording makes me sound liek a robot.  Anyone know about this?
[18:39] <ryrych> what is your opinion on Firefox in Linux/Kubuntu? Do you feel that it behaves like a monster (slow, chugging)?
[18:41] <ryrych> I asked this question because I have a problem with Fx and my jQuery plugin. Could you be so kind and test something?
[18:41] <ryrych> it isn’t my code that is flawed but just Fx. It is OK in Chromium, Opera on Linux and Fx, IE on Windows
[18:42] <ryrych> I just want to make sure
[18:43] <ryrych> …make sure if I should file a bug report :)
[18:43] <simion314> ryrych: if you have scrolling problems on all sites then it could be the video driver and the effects
[18:45] <sean_w> Can the 32 bit OS use 16GB of RAM?
[18:45] <ryrych> simion314: I have a problem with resizing browser window – I attached an event handler to the window object and when window size changes, I scale an image in my lightbox
[18:45] <James147> sean_w: yes, but no applivation can use more then about 3 or 4
[18:45] <James147> sean_w: and only with a spical kernel
[18:45] <James147> ^^ I think the server one is compiled to let it
[18:46] <James147> sean_w: normally best to just use a 64bit os though
[18:47] <simion314> ryrych: give me a link
[18:47] <James147> sean_w: see http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-4gb-ram-limitation-solution/ fro more info
[18:48] <ryrych> simion314: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220038/lb/examples/test.html, open the last image (that below 2,2 label), when it loads (4.5Mega) please resize the window a few times and tell me if it chugs or not, OK?
[18:48] <ryrych> simion314: I would like to make sure where I should file a report: X, Firefox, Ku?
[18:50] <simion314> ryrych: it did not work,and when i closed firefox it crashed
[18:50] <simion314> ryrych: does it workl in other browsers?
[18:51] <ryrych> simion314: yup, it works for sure: tested in many browsers
[18:51] <simion314> it could be a bug in the library you are using
[18:51] <ryrych> simion314: could you open it in other browser?
[18:52] <simion314> then ask for someone on other distro but with same firefox version(4) and see if in that distro works
[18:53] <simion314> ryrych: try #firefox or #javascript also
[18:54] <ryrych> simion314: just gone to #firefox in mozilla channel
[18:55] <darkarchon> hi all
[18:55] <darkarchon> does xinerama + composite work
[18:55] <darkarchon> ?
[18:55] <darkarchon> i seem to be unable to enable desktop effects after enabling xinerama
[18:56] <James147> darkarchon: kde dosnt yet support seperate screens as far as I know... best to use twinview
[18:57] <James147> darkarchon: and from what I know xinerama is largly depercated
[18:58] <darkarchon> will applications in twinview be maximized to both displays?
[18:58] <darkarchon> :/
[18:58] <katsrc> is there a way to install codecs individually instead of installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:58] <katsrc> ?
[18:58] <James147> darkarchon: most will not... wine still has some issues i think
[18:58] <darkarchon> mkay
[18:59] <darkarchon> because i have one display in pivot, and this would be VERY unfortunate
[18:59] <James147> katsrc: yes... install the packages that it depends on
[18:59] <katsrc> James147: ok, thanks
[18:59] <darkarchon> oh well, i'll have a look at twinview
[19:05] <katsrc> is amarok not able to play aac files?
[19:16] <tertl3> vlc
[19:16] <tertl3> katsrc: ^
[19:30] <ryrych> simion314: it seems that it is a bug, I filled a report
[19:30] <ryrych> do you have an account on Mozilla’s bugzilla?
[19:37] <ryrych> simion314: should you want to confirm that bug, please refer to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655316
[19:41] <Crembo> hey guys, linux newbie here. installed kubuntu 11.04 on laptop. graphics driver works fine. wireless doesn't work. tried using "additional drivers" app to install wireless driver, gives me an error I can't quite understand
[20:10] <Thinkerer68> upon first reboot after upgrading from Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty to kubuntu 9.10 Karmic I got this message in TTY2: "could not access PID file for nmbd"
[20:10] <Thinkerer68> smbd and nmbd are both running and working fine
[20:10] <Thinkerer68> I just don't know what the error means, or whether I need to worry about it.
[20:11] <Thinkerer68> I found this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1382776
[20:13] <Thinkerer68> Is this a bug which will be fixed?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, well. it's over 18mos since it's release , one would think the bug has a patch available
[20:21] <Thinkerer68> One would think that the patch might be included in updates?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> I've added synaptic (/usr/sbin/synaptic) to: user ALL=NOPASSWD with sudo visudo, but synaptic still asks for the pw , what's missing ?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> in sudoers
[20:48] <mpadair00> hello
[20:51] <mpadair00> anyone have issues with 11.04 and compiz (fusion) and emerald? I've been googling, forum searching, wiki searching, hacking, reinstalling, and seancing since beta 1 trying to get it to work. Never had issues with prior releases. It just worked out of the box.
[20:53] <Peace-> mpadair00: compiz?
[20:53] <Peace-> mpadair00: btw , i use kwin
[20:54] <Peace-> mpadair00: not too bad here , http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/06/plasma-desktopY17647.jpg
[20:54] <mpadair00> yeah...compiz...there's one feature of compiz that I can't seem to live without...opacify
[20:54] <mpadair00> other than that, i'd be fine with kwin
[20:55] <Peace-> i can't help you just because i don't use compiz since .. 8.04
[20:55] <mpadair00> s'all right. I appreciate the response anyways. For a bit, I thought it was a dead chan.
[20:57] <Peace-> mpadair00: nope here there is a lots of activities , well i am in italy so now i guess i will go out xD
[20:57] <Peace-> have luck!
[20:57] <mpadair00> thanx. Good night.
[21:04] <mpadair00_> kwin -kwinkkn
[21:13] <mohamad> Hi Guys, somebody here play Nexuiz?
[21:14] <mohamad> I want know how to make a local server just for Nexuiz
[21:17] <ray1claw> hey can anyone help me with this? I get an error when I try to upgrade kdm, heres the screeny of the error http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/06/snapshot1.png
[21:17] <ray1claw> ^ this wont let me install anything
[21:18] <Crembo> finally managed to get wifi to work on my laptop. dell studio 1555, kubuntu 11.04, clean install. the only thing that worked.. was to install synaptic, reinstall the bcmwl-kernel-source package, reset, and then use jockey as normal
[21:29] <multipass|2> hi, anyone know if the new kubuntu has the same compiz changes as ubuntu 11.04?
[21:30] <multipass|2> mainly i wanna see if edge flipping works
[21:30] <BluesKaj> multipass|2,  edge flipping ?
[21:30] <multipass|2> cursor or dragging window past the edge of screen
[21:30] <multipass|2> flips to next destktop if there is one
[21:31]  * BluesKaj checks desktop effects
[21:31] <BluesKaj> yup
[21:31] <multipass|2> yeah ubuntu destroyed alot of functional compiz
[21:31] <multipass|2> lol :\
[21:31] <BluesKaj> no need for compiz for that effect
[21:31] <multipass|2> how so?
[21:32] <multipass|2> ive been looking for a way around it
[21:33] <multipass|2> in new ubuntu, u can still enable the abilities, but they dont actually work
[21:33] <BluesKaj> just moved my cursor to the left top corner and all pages are displayed on one scrn
[21:33] <multipass|2> well
[21:33] <multipass|2> the effect im looking for will switch to adjacent desktop
[21:34] <multipass|2> very effective for the web dev i do
[21:34] <BluesKaj> gotta have a decent graphics card for these effects
[21:34] <multipass|2> i dont want to see a expo of everything
[21:34] <multipass|2> gx 460 nvidia :)
[21:35] <BluesKaj> multipass|2, theres the desktops widget
[21:35] <multipass|2> well ill try out new kubuntu reguardless
[21:35] <multipass|2> the new kde keeps tempting me
[21:35] <BluesKaj> it flips the desktops depending on your desktop settings
[21:36] <multipass|2> but if you go into compiz > desktop wall > edge flipping, does this are exist?
[21:36] <multipass|2> area*
[21:36] <BluesKaj> dunno, haven't bothered with compiz since karmic
[21:37] <BluesKaj> I use the desktop cube animation
[21:38] <multipass|2> 9.04 karmic?
[21:38] <multipass|2> or when was that
[21:39] <BluesKaj> about 9.10
[21:39] <BluesKaj> about 18mos ago
[21:43] <maitrey_>  hi everyone, my wireless went at once of. it shows disabled (without possibility to enable in the panel. the driver is Broadcom sta 802.11 wireless driver under ubuntu 11.04 (it is first time that happened). what to do? thanks !
[21:47] <BluesKaj> !broadcom | maitrey_
[21:47] <BluesKaj> BBL , stuff to do
[22:18] <m_tadeu> hi....strigi doesn't seem to be working on this new version of kubuntu
[22:18] <m_tadeu> is anyone else experiencing this?
[22:28] <bigbrovar> is anyone able get amarok to connect and sync with a masstorage device (like android) on Kubuntu 11.04
[22:35] <overlord> русские есть?
[22:36] <ubuntu> is there any edge flipping in kubuntu?
[22:36] <ubuntu> that i can test on live cd?
[22:37] <sean_w> My audio imput device priority isn't saving. Help?
[22:42] <bigbrovar> ubottu: what do u mean by edge flipping?
[23:47] <surunveri> hi
[23:51] <foormea> hi
[23:53] <foormea> i have an external hard drive with files that belong to 1000:1000. i have a laptop that uses a different user/group, say 1357:2468. do i have a way to allow write to the external drive without going o+rwx on the external drive's directories?
[23:54] <foormea> can i change group ownership of the directories on the external drive to 2468? will user 1000 still have ownership and rights on the directories??
[23:56] <gomiboy> foormea: in general: yes
[23:56] <foormea> gomiboy: does that seem like the right approach?
[23:57] <lautaro> alguien sabe como me conecto a irc hispano???
[23:57] <lautaro> uso quassel
[23:58] <foormea> lautaro: try /join #kubuntu-es
[23:58] <lautaro> sorry...


[10:12] <ed_> quick question, how do you know if a package with sec fix in testing will sync to hirsute?
[10:28] <ronthecookie> hey so I installed bzr-builddeb but I still get `brz: ERROR: unknown command "dh-make"`? do I need to restart/source for more env vars or something?
[10:28] <ronthecookie> sourcing /etc/profile hasn't done much of anything
[10:40] <ronthecookie> (am I supposed to go ask in #ubuntu-motu instead?)
[10:42] <ed_> ronthecookie: isn't dh-make a package of its own?
[10:42] <ed_> so apt-get install dh-make
[10:43] <ronthecookie> I did, I'm following https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html#starting-a-package
[10:43] <ronthecookie> perhaps it is outdated
[10:45] <rbasak> ed_: it won't automatically. A manual step is required.
[10:53] <ed_> rbasak: ok, who/what should i speak to?
[11:02] <rbasak> ed_: can you provide more specifics please?
[11:05] <ed_> sure, rust-pleaser, will migrate into testing tonight. wanted to make sure that ubuntu hirsute gets that fix too
[11:06] <rbasak> Are you the Debian uploader? Why Hirsute? Do you mean Impish? Which releases in Ubuntu are affected?
[11:06] <ed_> hirsute needs the fix. impish has it already from sid.
[11:07] <ed_> im upstream/uploader, not the dd
[11:07] <rbasak> Ah, OK. Stable releases need a source package prepared with a version number "in the middle"
[11:07] <rbasak> If you can provide a debdiff, the security team will review and sponsor it.
[11:08] <ed_> are they happy to take https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=988071
[11:08] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures#Sponsoring_an_update
[11:08] <rbasak> That page is the starting point for what the security team have documented
[11:09] <ed_> ok i'll drop them a mail, thanks very much for the info!
[11:10] <rbasak> Try #ubuntu-hardened to speak to them
[11:10] <rbasak> They often have someone on rota to help with this kind of request
[11:10] <rbasak> And thank you for looking after the package in Ubuntu!
[11:11] <ed_> np, thanks for maintaining ubuntu!
[12:24] <RikMills> tjaalton: builds using libdrm in proposed are failing for amd64 armhf and s390x
[12:25] <RikMills> Package 'valgrind', required by 'libdrm', not found
[12:27] <RikMills> as are autpkgtests of clutter and wlroots
[12:29] <RikMills> as those have a 'build' test
[12:30] <RikMills> santa_: fyi ^
[15:06] <santa_> tjaalton: for the record, our guess is that libdrm-dev should depend on valgrind [amd64 armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390x]
[15:06] <santa_> example of build failure: https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/kde-test-bad/+sourcepub/12418334/+listing-archive-extra
[19:27] <tjaalton> RikMills: there's nothing in libdrm which would require valgrind
[19:28] <RikMills> tjaalton: the build output disagrees
[19:29] <RikMills> -- Checking for module 'xorg-server'
[19:29] <RikMills> --   Package 'valgrind', required by 'libdrm', not found
[19:29] <tjaalton> I can read that, but it makes no sense
[19:30] <RikMills> :/
[19:32] <tjaalton> ok so it's libdrm_intel.pc which has ~always wanted it, but was fulfilled by some other dependency until now
[19:33] <tjaalton> just like libpciaccess-dev
[19:36] <RikMills> libdrm_intel.pc in 2.4.104-1build1 in the release pocket does not require it
[19:38] <RikMills> at least there is no: Requires.private: pciaccess >=  0.10, valgrind
[19:39] <santa_> tjaalton: FYI this new libdrm build depends on valgrind for a number of archs
[19:40] <tjaalton> oh i know
[19:41] <santa_> hence why I suggested that dependency for libdrm-dev above, but maybe there's a better solution
[19:41] <santa_> of course we can fix this in plasma-desktop but other packages will fail to build as well
[19:41] <tjaalton> it's caused by https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/-/issues/45 most likely
[19:46] <tjaalton> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/-/issues/63 explains the regression
[19:46] <RikMills> just found that
[19:47] <tjaalton> I'll revert the commit
[19:49] <RikMills> thanks. hopefully they will figure out a better solution soon!
[22:11] <DarkTrick> **Q**@ help files: help files for programs on ubuntu are sorted by language, instead of "by program" ( /usr/share/help/[LANG]/[APP_ID]/ ). Is there any record on why this was choosen over sorting by application first and then by language?
[22:15] <DarkTrick> solved: apparently it's a freedesktop decision


[03:37] <photon> will Xubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop version be also supported for 5 years just as the 'standard' Ubuntu 12.04? I'm currently moving away from Ubuntu because of Unity and so far Debian and Xubuntu are on the table (I'm looking for a distro that is really stable and supported for a long time). Xubuntu 12.04 LTS getting security updates for 5 years would be a huge plus.
[03:38] <photon> AFAIK, the only thing that needs to be done is providing security updates for XFCE, as the rest is taken care of by the standard Ubuntu version.
[04:19] <photon> I guess my question goes to knome :)
[05:13] <micahg> photon: we were planning 3 yrs before
[05:45] <photon> micahg: it'd be cool if you guys reconsider since Kubuntu is probably doing the same, and the majority of the work is already taken care of by the Ubuntu team.
[05:46] <micahg> photon: the problem is that Xfce isn't maintained for that long even in Debian
[05:46] <micahg> Xfce for 3 years is a stretch, but if we're aligned with Debian, it's possible
[05:47] <photon> you mean it's not even maintained that long upstream?
[05:47] <micahg> right, they usually only support the current stable branch
[05:47] <micahg> and 4.10 is slated for release in March
[05:47] <photon> but 3 years is do-able?
[05:48] <micahg> with Debian's help, I think between Debian and Ubuntu we have 3 devs ATM :)
[05:48] <photon> oh :)
[05:48] <photon> well, that's understandable then.
[05:49] <micahg> and we only do this in our free time
[05:49] <photon> yes. right. 3 years sounds more sane then.
[05:49]  * micahg will have to support Firefox for 5 years in security updates
[05:50] <photon> why?
[05:50]  * micahg is an Ubuntu Security engineer :)
[05:50] <photon> oh :)
[05:50] <photon> I see
[05:51] <micahg> but that's my day job :)
[05:51] <photon> if it's any motivation, you'll probably get some more followers in the next months, given that almost everybody I talked to runs away from Unity :) and Xubuntu seems to be a really neat alternative.
[05:51] <micahg> we're happy to sponsor fixes from people for Xubuntu stuff
[05:52] <micahg> and anyone who's interested in contributing can usually be found stuff to do
[05:52] <photon> nice :)
[05:52] <micahg> Unity's really not that bad, I run it on my dev machine, I run Xubuntu on my other one :)
[05:53] <micahg> but for people who are used to GNOME 2, it can be a transition that just takes a little getting used to, but gnome shell is the same story
[05:53] <photon> Would you rather recommend Kubuntu?
[05:54] <micahg> no, Xubuntu is similar to the old GNOME 2 style
[05:54] <micahg> Kubuntu is a great distro as well
[05:54] <micahg> but for those used to GNOME 2, Xubuntu is probably the easiest transition
[05:56] <micahg> it's just a matter of personal preference, that's the beauty of Linux distros and Ubuntu specifically, you can easily switch between at least 5 difference DEs
[05:56] <micahg> s/difference/different/
[05:59] <photon> yes, I agree :)
[06:03] <photon> do you see any chance of Xubuntu LTS support being prematurely dropped, as all three of you do that in your free time (if I understood you correctly)? I'm asking because I'm considering it for a larger deployment and getting security updates for the full 3 years is quite important.
[06:05] <holstein> think of it like this... the repos are maintained for 5 years
[06:05] <holstein> all the buntu's, the official ones, get these updates
[06:07] <micahg> photon: you'll get the core security updates regardless of our LTS status, the last official xfce CVE that I know of  was 2 yrs ago
[06:10] <micahg> well, the stuff in main is supported for 5 years
[06:13] <photon> just to make sure I understand you correctly, what you are saying is, everything that isn't XFCE will get security updates for 5 years anyway, and XFCE for 3 years, and in addition to that XFCE is quite unlikely to have a security flaw anyway since the last CVE was 2 yrs ago?
[06:14] <micahg> photon: no, the core components that are shared with Ubuntu desktop will be supported for 5 years, Xubuntu stuff, we still haven't decided if it'll be 18 mo or 3yrs, but the last point is correct, also, you would be free to fix stuff and have it sponsored as well even if we're not doing it
[06:16] <photon> ok
[06:17] <micahg> also, there seems to be a CVE on average every 2 yrs, but we can try to at least fix those if the patch is backportable
[06:18] <micahg> photon: keep in mind, we probably won't be updating much except for high/critical fixes for the LTS due to our limited resources
[06:27] <micahg> and the support is best effort, the only thing we'd actually be committing to for the LTS status is to produce point releases for the first 2 years
[06:32] <photon> what are point releases? :)
[06:32] <micahg> photon: updated CDs with whatever updates were added to the release
[06:33] <photon> oh I see.
[06:33] <micahg> the first one is usually 3 months after release, with subsequent ones following every 6 months until the next LTS
[06:33] <photon> as in 10.04.3?
[06:33] <micahg> exactly
[06:34] <micahg> I think we still need to draft a proposal as to what we expect to do in terms of LTS support
[13:02] <knome> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1963776/menu-manager/1.jpg
[13:02] <knome> comments? :)
[13:02] <edii> :)
[13:02] <knome> point to edii
[13:12] <ochosi> edii: looks nice! to me it'd be more natural though to have the available things on the left and the selection on the right
[13:14] <edii> ah, right! i never even thought about that, but now that you've mentioned it i guess it would be more natural
[13:15] <ochosi> at least that's how most other progs do it (ftp-clients etc.)
[13:15] <ochosi> knome: about the icon-theme in xubuntu:
[13:16] <knome> yes
[13:16] <ochosi> i talked to danrabbit recently about the future of the elementary icon theme
[13:16] <edii> yep, i think i'll change that
[13:16] <knome> ochosi, mmh?
[13:16] <ochosi> he's trying to reduce the DE specific icons
[13:16] <knome> aha...
[13:16] <ochosi> but we can fix that mostly with symlinks as he won't really drop icons
[13:16] <ochosi> so i guess we might not have to be afraid of "losing" elementary
[13:16] <knome> do you think it's a viable option to keep using it for the foreseeable future?
[13:17] <ochosi> we should probably just do an xfce-addon pack
[13:17] <knome> yeah
[13:17] <ochosi> yeah, i think it'll be fine
[13:17] <knome> sounds fine
[13:17] <knome> isn't that what we've been doing anyway?
[13:17] <knome> well not in that scale, but still
[13:17] <ochosi> and he's not planning drastic changes in the next releases it seems
[13:17] <ochosi> yeah, but if you look into the 4.0 folder in the elementary-icon themes bzr branch it can be a bit scary :)
[13:18] <ochosi> i mean some nice improvements there, but rather incomplete and some changes not for the better
[13:18] <ochosi> but as i said, no reason to be afraid
[13:18] <ochosi> he'll mostly update mimetypes next
[13:18] <ochosi> which is a good thing imo
[13:18] <ochosi> atm mostly the "music"-mimes have changed and look a bit inconsistent with the rest
[13:19] <knome> okay
[13:19] <ochosi> but that'll be better if he updates the rest as well
[13:19] <ochosi> and it's still the best-looking most-complete theme out there
[13:19] <knome> yeah
[13:19] <ochosi> (other than faenza)
[13:20] <ochosi> but:
[13:20] <ochosi> we could consider renaming the icon-theme
[13:20] <ochosi> because the name is ridiculously long atm
[13:20] <knome> to?
[13:20] <ochosi> and we could do two versions, one linking to the bright panel-icons
[13:20] <ochosi> good question :)
[13:21] <ochosi> but "elementary Xubuntu dark" is rather longish. i mean if we also do "elementary Xubuntu" for the bright variant then it might in fact be ok again
[13:22] <ochosi> having the "elementary" tribute in the name might be fine, but we could also do as ubuntu does and just call them "Xubuntu" and "Xubuntu dark"
[13:23] <knome> Xubuntu e8y-dark
[13:23] <ochosi> e8y? :)
[13:23] <knome> elementary
[13:23] <knome> like l10n or i18n
[13:24] <ochosi> mhm
[13:24] <ochosi> rather nerdy abbreviation
[13:25] <knome> heh
[13:25] <knome> or just e-dark
[13:25] <ochosi> i mean for the average joe user
[13:25] <ochosi> yeah
[13:25] <ochosi> that's probably better
[13:25] <knome> but then they'll be like "what e"
[13:25] <ochosi> since elementary also use "e" as their logo
[13:25] <knome> mm
[13:25] <ochosi> we can set that in the tooltip/description
[13:25] <ochosi> s/set/say
[13:26] <knome> yeah.
[13:26] <ochosi> i actually forgot that that was there :)
[13:26] <knome> just call them "Xubuntu dark" and "Xubuntu light"
[13:26] <ochosi> that makes dropping "elementary" a lot easier
[13:26] <ochosi> yeah
[13:26] <knome> and tell them it's based on elementary
[13:27] <ochosi> btw, any more thoughts on the current design of the login madnick and me have been working on? (mostly madnick ;) )
[13:29] <ochosi> mostly whether you like the look
[13:29] <knome> nothing special really
[13:29] <ochosi> functionality-wise i think it'd be good to also get the user-chooser-menu when clicking the current nickname, not just when clicking the avatar
[13:29] <knome> just make the rounded corners less rounded
[13:30] <ochosi> everywhere or just the outside of the black box?
[13:30] <knome> at least the outside
[13:30] <ochosi> k
[13:30] <knome> hard to say if it'd look weird if there is two "levels" or roundness
[13:30] <ochosi> yeah, i want the "login" button to look like a gtk-button actually
[13:30] <ochosi> or at least like a real button
[13:31] <knome> mm
[13:31] <ochosi> do you think we should keep the bright/grey outline?
[13:31] <knome> don't know
[13:31] <ochosi> :)
[13:31] <knome> depends on how you want to change the things that are inside the box
[13:32] <ochosi> hm, not sure. i mean personally i like the overall look of it, that's why i made it that way :)
[13:33] <knome> brb
[13:36] <ochosi> knome: btw, not sure whether it's feasible, but one item i forgot for the roadmap is "beautify xubuntu's lockscreen". maybe we can discuss this at the next meeting
[13:36] <knome> mm-hmm
[13:36] <ochosi> the technical implications might also have to be discussed
[13:36] <knome> or we can add it as work item inside "misc. appearance"
[13:37] <knome> a-ha
[13:37] <ochosi> because it might mean forking xscreensaver...
[13:37] <knome> then maybe not ;]
[13:37] <ochosi> afaik the ugly lockscreen is hardcoded
[13:37] <knome> yeah, add that to our meeting agenda
[13:37] <ochosi> and theming-support was never added
[13:37] <ochosi> but i think if we coordinate with -studio we could probably do something nice with it
[13:38] <ochosi> just generic improvement, no "xubuntu-look"
[13:38] <knome> yeah
[13:38] <knome> as long as it is committable to upstream too...
[15:47] <Sysi> are there problems with gnome-screensaver or others?
[15:48] <holstein> i dont really have a problem with it
[15:48] <holstein> i think the screen locker looks like something from a different OS
[15:49] <holstein> like... say... windows 95
[15:50] <Sysi> at some point there was.. on lucid there are bugs with xscreensaver
[15:50] <holstein> i dont want/need a screensaver, so im using xlockmore-gl, which has its own problems
[15:51] <holstein> Sysi: i have an 11.10 install if you need me to test something buggy
[15:52] <Sysi> I have 11.10 on virtualbox
[19:55] <micahg> knome: are we having a meeting on sunday?
[21:16] <knome> micahg, i'm not sure if i can make it
[21:19] <micahg> knome: ok, what are we doing about alpha 1 as well as our recognized derivative status
[21:21] <knome> i have to talk about that with skear
[21:21] <knome> err, skaet
[21:21] <knome> do you have a suggestion?
[21:21] <knome> i mean, i'm sure it's more a question in the dev+packages side than the rest
[21:21] <micahg> well, do we have testers lined up?  any outstanding bugs need to be fixed?
[21:22] <knome> for alpha1?
[21:22] <micahg> yes
[21:22] <knome> i'd say let's go for alphas1
[21:22] <knome> -s
[21:22] <micahg> knome: also, you need to get a report in for the release meeting tomorrow
[21:22] <knome> the testers should know we are starting soon
[21:22] <knome> micahg, yep.
[21:22] <knome> micahg, are you attendind?
[21:23] <knome> d=g ...
[21:23] <micahg> not sure, if I'm around, I might lurk
[21:23] <knome> okay
[21:23] <micahg> I can't commit ATM
[21:23] <knome> hm?
[21:23] <knome> to what
[21:23] <micahg> the release meeting
[21:24] <knome> yah, np, madnick should be taking care of that
[21:24]  * micahg is also curious why we're writing a lightdm theming engine
[21:24] <knome> do you have a suggestion for the recognized derivative status?
[21:24] <micahg> a theme make sense, an engine, not so much
[21:24] <knome> madnick wants to do it that way
[21:24] <micahg> knome: I think we should go for it, but we have to discuss our LTS plans
[21:24] <knome> i have no problems with that
[21:25] <knome> (re greeter engine)
[21:25] <knome> as long as he has time for the other tasks too
[21:25] <micahg> knome: that sounds like something Robert should be doing, or at least if madnick is doing it, something that should be coordinated with robert
[21:25] <madnick> micahg: what engine did you have in mind?
[21:25] <knome> who is robert?
[21:25] <madnick> Because a theme cannot really do much
[21:25] <madnick> It can change background
[21:25] <micahg> knome: robert_ancell, author of lightdm
[21:25] <madnick> Thats pretty much it
[21:26] <knome> micahg, why wasn't this raised up before? (it's not too late now, but work has been done with the engine too)
[21:26] <micahg> madnick: ok, but this is something that probably belongs in core lightdm or you'll end up doing a lot more work, so I'd suggest trying to work with robert_ancell to get this in lightdm itself
[21:26] <micahg> madnick: work as in maintenance :)
[21:27] <madnick> micahg: hmm, not sure if i understand this
[21:27] <micahg> knome: this is why I wanted to review the roadmap in the meeting :)
[21:27] <knome> micahg, i see.
[21:27] <madnick> The "engine" is just a binary called by lightdm
[21:27] <madnick> To allow themeing
[21:27] <madnick> Its not acctually a library or anything
[21:27] <knome> micahg, if engines are supported, why can't we write one?
[21:28] <madnick> Its like with GDM
[21:28] <madnick> you could write your own binaries for that too
[21:28] <madnick> infact most distributions did
[21:28] <micahg> knome: is that how it's set up?  to me engine sounds like core functionality, maybe I'm misunderstanding
[21:28] <knome> micahg, maybe you are. madnick definitely knows more than me.
[21:28] <madnick> micahg: its just a greeter, but i call it an engine because it allows external themeing :)
[21:29] <micahg> madnick: oh, ok, just another greeter like unity-greeter
[21:29] <madnick> yes
[21:29] <micahg> ok, sorry, yeah, I guess that makes sense if the current greeters don't do what we want
[21:30] <madnick> sorry for confusing you, it may not have been the best use of words to put "engine" in there
[21:30] <micahg> madnick: so, this will be something other derivatives could use as well and we'll have our own theme for it?
[21:30] <madnick> yes
[21:30] <madnick> ubuntu studio showed some interest
[21:30] <micahg> madnick: sounds cool, thanks for the clarification
[21:30] <knome> micahg, i don't really want to do too much micromanaging - if madnick is building a theme, and he wants to build a greeter engine for it... he shall pursue it
[21:31] <knome> yeah, we are collaborating actually pretty closely with studio
[21:31] <micahg> knome: no, it's fine, I thought he was creating something that should be in core lightdm, but he's really just doing what the desktop team did and making a greeter, it's was a conflation in terminology, mostly on my part I think
[21:31] <knome> micahg, heh, yeah. nope :)
[21:32] <knome> micahg, no problem. good to have it cleared out
[21:32] <knome> micahg, is there something else in the roadmap you want to ask about?
[21:32] <micahg> knome: I"ll have to review it over the weekend, I've still got to get thunderbird out today
[21:32] <knome> oki
[21:33] <knome> do you have any insight to the derivative status thing?
[21:33] <micahg> knome: well, I think we should definitely go for it, I think 3 yr, with a best effort attempt for high/critical bugs and security fixes sounds about right
[21:34] <knome> micahg, the criteria is easy to fulfill?
[21:35] <knome> micahg, or if not easy, at least possible?
[21:36] <micahg> knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives, most of this we were doing already, it's just making a firm commitment for images I think, the rest we decide
[21:36] <knome> micahg, yeah, i have that page open. i was just making sure it is doable
[21:37] <knome> micahg, i have to ask skaet about the lts cycle, like what does "support plan" mean, eg. does it need to be a complete report or something else
[21:38] <micahg> knome: that's just how much effort we think we'll be putting into supporting the stable release
[21:38] <knome> micahg, do you think the plans we've been thinking of would be sufficient?
[21:39] <micahg> yes
[21:39] <knome> micahg, with the shortest possible LTS cycle and so
[21:39] <knome> mmh
[21:39] <knome> who would be the support contact
[21:39] <micahg> mr_pouit: any word yet on whether Debian will take 4.8 or 4.10 for wheezy?
[21:40] <knome> wheezy? sounds like a humorous debian version
[21:40] <micahg> knome: good question, do we have a bug triager?  mr_pouit and charlie-tca were handling this before
[21:40] <micahg> knome: toystory :)
[21:41] <knome> heh
[21:41] <knome> hmm.
[21:41] <knome> i suppose charlie-tca is the main bug triager
[21:41] <knome> but does that suffice?
[21:41] <knome> i mean, he probably can't fix any
[21:42] <micahg> yeah, I think that's fine, it just needs to be someone the release team can poke for updates/discussion
[21:42] <knome> okay
[21:43] <knome> could you put up a really brief suggestion re: the regocnized stuff and lts stuff based on this discussion?
[21:43] <micahg> where? xubuntu-devel?
[21:43] <knome> we could vote on that on the next meeting, and we could start focusing working on precise rather than think about bureaucracy
[21:44] <knome> that would be great
[21:44] <micahg> ok, will add to my list of things to do
[21:45] <knome> okay, thanks A LOT :)
[21:45] <knome> if we keep the meeting on sunday, will you be able to attend?
[21:45] <micahg> but we still need to coordinate for alpha1 if we want images :)
[21:45] <micahg> yes
[21:45] <knome> okay, i'll try to find out if i can make it too.
[21:45] <micahg> please send out an announcement for the meeting though
[21:45] <knome> and announce
[21:45] <knome> yeah
[21:45] <micahg> thanks
[21:45] <knome> i'll mail xubuntu-devel
[21:45] <knome> so what about alpha1?
[21:46] <knome> tbh, i don't know much about bugs that should be fixed :)
[21:46] <micahg> please add a note that w/out testers, we can't have an alpha 1 and we'll be organizing what's needed at the meeting
[21:46] <knome> okay
[21:46] <knome> i will
[21:46] <micahg> well, hopefully not many :)
[21:47] <knome> the topic says the testing starts at 2011-11-28
[21:47] <knome> i think charlie is going to get back at around that time
[21:47] <micahg> right, I was wondering if anyone is testing the daily ISOs ATM
[21:47] <madnick> GridCube and me will probably, atleast test the images
[21:47] <knome> micahg, should they be tested?
[21:48] <madnick> I've not done that daily
[21:48] <madnick> Because I didn't know that we were supposed to :\
[21:48] <knome> me neither.
[21:48] <micahg> well, I don't know that we've done alpha 1 releases before
[21:49] <knome> we did
[21:49] <micahg> The alternate CDs have an issue ATM, but the live CDs appear fine
[21:49] <knome> right
[21:49] <madnick> I was acctually told that testing begins december 1st :P
[21:49] <knome> isn't the only criteria "it builds" :P
[21:49] <knome> (for alpha1)
[21:49] <knome> s.kaet told me that
[21:49] <micahg> knome: used to be
[21:50] <micahg> I don't think that's enough anymore, but I could be wronf
[21:50] <micahg> *wrong
[21:50] <micahg> I think we're in pretty good shape though since we haven't made any major changes
[21:50] <knome> yeah.
[21:50] <knome> unless the debian imports broke things
[21:50] <knome> but if madnick has done any tests, it should be mostly okay i think
[21:51] <madnick> No, I've hardly done any testing, just installed 3 images. When people have said stuff in #xubuntu :P
[21:52] <madnick> Because charlie said: Testing begins Dec 1
[21:56] <Sysi> do they need to be tested on real hardware or would vbox do?
[21:57] <micahg> virtualbox is fine
[21:57] <micahg> madnick: idk if charlie was planning on us releasing alpha1
[21:57] <madnick> oh oka
[21:57] <madnick> y
[21:57] <micahg> but can whoever attends the release meeting please find out how much testing we need for alpha1
[21:57] <madnick> sure
[22:11] <Sysi> hum, I *could* test images directly on this macbookpro.. help for mactel-support team


[10:40] <RikMills[m]> there is discussion on kde mailing lists about shutting down the IRC BNC and IRCsomebot
[13:07] <mparillo> Sad to see. https://xkcd.com/1782/ I won't miss the telegram spam, but I prefer IRC to Matrix. Only reason I ever used Matrix was that I had employers who blocked IRC, but Matrix over HTTPs worked.
[13:12] <ahoneybun[m]> So will the Matrix bot still work?
[19:45] <valorie> eeek, no bnc?
[19:45] <valorie> ugh