[10:40] <samuel> question about qemu, i can install win2k on it it fine, without problems... but when i shut down windows i can never start it up again - it just says - NTLDR boot failure - what gives? what is the correct way to shutdown qemu?
[10:41] <samuel> iVolution, use the network monitor
[10:41] <neighborlee> will the future autofs( supermount or whatever its called) of ubuntu be such that when you insert/eject a CD it can be handled via the drives button ?
[10:41] <samuel> iVolution, and set it up to use your wireless interfave
[10:41] <iVolution> ah. thats smart
[10:42] <SeaDragon> can someone ehlp me please??
[10:42] <SeaDragon> help me
[10:42] <hybrid> SeaDragon: whats up?
[10:42] <iVolution> i knew they used to be separate, thats why i couldnt find it. intergrating something like those two is the right idea
[10:42] <SeaDragon> i can play chess
[10:42] <SeaDragon> in opera
[10:42] <hybrid> ok
[10:42] <SeaDragon> i believe that is because i dont have JVM
[10:43] <SeaDragon> but, i've already install it
[10:43] <hybrid> SeaDragon: you *cant* play chess?
[10:43] <neighborlee> SeaDragon, you have no error you can share with us ?
[10:44] <SeaDragon> i don't know the problem.. i'm new in linux
[10:44] <SeaDragon> i used to play in opera with java
[10:44] <hybrid> SeaDragon: do you have jdk?
[10:44] <SeaDragon> but i don't know how to do this
[10:44] <noderat> Is there by chance any application that I can use that will talk to my UPNP router and let me forward any ports I want?
[10:44] <SeaDragon> no
[10:44] <SeaDragon> is a java compiler??
[10:44] <hybrid> neighborlee: would he need jdk?
[10:45] <SeaDragon> i believe that i need j2re
[10:45] <goofrider> u need javaplugin
[10:45] <neighborlee> hybrid, no
[10:45] <jeroen_> Is there no may ubuntu-calendar?
[10:46] <goofrider> I think
[10:46] <goofrider> SeaDragon, the chess game is java?
[10:46] <SeaDragon> yes
[10:46] <SeaDragon> you can see it in www.chessmaniac.com
[10:46] <goofrider> SeaDragon, and can u play it in Firefox or Mozilla?
[10:46] <neighborlee> SeaDragon, pretty sure yes that is what you need...there is a java how-to the ubuntuguide.com <just search on that page for java ..or I can look real quick if you like...
[10:46] <larsrohdin> Hi! does anuone know if the book "Linux kernel internals" by Michael Beck is any good?
[10:46] <count0nz> any Tv media Devs in here ?
[10:47] <SeaDragon> i haven't played it in mozilla
[10:47] <iVolution> now that wireless is out of the way, something else... setting up nvidia-glx and booting into X causes my monitor (LCD) to go black, and i can't ctrl-alt-backspace out of it or anything. hard reboot is all that works. any tips? how can i figure out where the problem originates?
[10:47] <hybrid> larsrohdin: if you want to know the insides of linux try LFS
[10:47] <SeaDragon> i'm going to check that
[10:47] <count0nz> or gentoo :P
[10:47] <SeaDragon> thanks
[10:47] <larsrohdin> hybrid, linux from skratch?
[10:47] <larsrohdin> I believe I was asking about a book...
[10:47] <count0nz> well gentoo is kinda like LFS
[10:48] <hybrid> count0nz: gentoo is no where the compiling as lfs
[10:48] <samuel> question about qemu, i can install win2k on it it fine, without problems... but when i shut down windows i can never start it up again - it just says - NTLDR boot failure - what gives? what is the correct way to shutdown qemu?
[10:48] <hybrid> larsrohdin: yes
[10:48] <goofrider> SeaDragon, if u have the jre, u should haver the java plugin pre-cofigured for Firefox/Mozilla. If it works in FF/Moz, then maybe u just need to configure Opera properly
[10:48] <count0nz> hybrid, True :)
[10:48] <hybrid> count0nz: i want to try gentoo then lfs
[10:48] <goofrider> gentoo = LFS for Dummies
[10:49] <hybrid> lol
[10:49] <neighborlee> SeaDragon, sorry my bad..its ubuntuguide.org < dain it
[10:49] <SeaDragon> okz
[10:49] <SeaDragon> =)
[10:49] <count0nz> hybrid, Gentoo Rocks but i like Ubantu also :)
[10:49] <hybrid> i am fine with cli i am in it right now
[10:49] <hybrid> count0nz: how would i go about makin a partition for gentoo?
[10:49] <goofrider> traitor
[10:49] <ryman|> how about debian ?
[10:50] <SeaDragon> guys, i'm going to check ubuntuguide.org, thanks for your help
[10:50] <neighborlee> ROFL
[10:50] <goofrider> I'm gonna report u to #gentoo
[10:50] <ryman|> ppl on #debian aren't as friendly as you guys here
[10:50] <hybrid> lol @ goofrider  and ryman|
[10:50] <ryman|> thats why I love ubuntu
[10:50] <neighborlee> ryman|, heh
[10:50] <twobitsprite> ryman|,  because debian people are snobs :P
[10:50] <count0nz> hybrid, just use a partition resizer and try install gentoo on a new space gentoo is great but imho i like ubantu more
[10:50] <neighborlee> ryman|, ;-)
[10:50] <hybrid> ryman|: if someone is acting up we send them to #debian
[10:50] <ryman|> one guy asked a question in debian
[10:51] <ryman|> they send him here
[10:51] <ryman|> lol
[10:51] <hybrid> count0nz: how would i resize it
[10:51] <hybrid> ryman|: heh
[10:51] <hybrid> viva la comunity
[10:51] <neighborlee> twobitsprite, lol..but true it seems..I thinnk its a l33t mentality..we're smart and we like showing off and being rude cause well dont the two things go hand in hand ?LOL
[10:51] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer and used the terminal to install it and it gives me a message it couldn't find mplayer-fonts
[10:51] <neighborlee> hybrid, heh
[10:51] <puvneet> help me
[10:51] <ryman|> puvneet, why dont you try synaptic
[10:51] <puvneet> it's not there
[10:51] <count0nz> google parted i belive
[10:51] <hybrid> puvneet: try apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[10:51] <ryman|> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <puvneet> i did
[10:52] <neighborlee> puvneet, yeah synaptic is the totally easy way to go..I had same troujble once with the fonts issue..its a real PITA
[10:52] <hybrid> count0nz: parted pissed me off
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> can someone help me?  I have this sudden fascination with the phrase "retarded monkey"...
[10:52] <count0nz> hybrid, :)
[10:52] <hybrid> o_+
[10:52] <neighborlee> Q_Continuum, ey?LOL
[10:52] <neighborlee> Q_Continuum, you must enjoy startrek ..<wink>
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> and a real question: has anyone successfully installed Hoary on a i955 chipset?  (Intel)?
[10:52] <PhantomFreak> How do I get larger screen resolutions, Ubuntu doesn't seem to let me have anything larger that 1024x768?
[10:53] <puvneet> i used the apt get to get these files and need to enter this command to install but keep on getting this message
[10:53] <goldfish> PhantomFreak: reconfigure the X server should fix that
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> neighborlee, no, I hate star trek. :-P
[10:53] <puvneet> help
[10:53] <neighborlee> PhantomFreak, change your monitor is likely the sollution
[10:53] <ryman|> PhantomFreak, system - preferences - screen resolution
[10:53] <hybrid> count0nz: i had to reinstall b/c i deleted my partition b/c i couldnt figure out which partition was wich
[10:53] <puvneet> how can i fix this problem
[10:53] <neighborlee> PhantomFreak, ubuntu prob. did not detect monitor right and it can't offer them to you...
[10:53] <colera> i just installed ubuntu and i think it is kinda slow, maybe it's just me. i havn't used gnome in a while maybe it's gnome
[10:53] <neighborlee> colera, slow how
[10:54] <puvneet> and using the aptget just gives you these files taht you have to install
[10:54] <RoEn> hi
[10:54] <colera> like the menus dropping down
[10:54] <PhantomFreak> The screen resolution setting in xorg doesn't go higher than 1024x768
[10:54] <beavis> hi RoEn :)
[10:54] <PhantomFreak> And my monitor is fine!
[10:54] <neighborlee> colera, is i t just at first or always
[10:54] <puvneet> HELP
[10:54] <RoEn> hehe, Dich kenn ich doch :D
[10:54] <beavis> RoEn: I thought you're only in #kanotix
[10:54] <count0nz> ubantu, apt-get works and it works well, its Fast it gets what you need and you have updates allmost instantly, Gentoo Tends to break itself depending on the direction of the wind, when it works it works well when things get out of sync (porage) it tends to be painfull recompileing to find someone uploaded wrong version or the mirrors have not all synced.
[10:55] <neighborlee> count0nz, ROFLMBO
[10:55] <count0nz> just my 10c :)
[10:55] <puvneet> IS APT GET ALREADY ON THE SYSTEM
[10:55] <neighborlee> count0nz, no I think thats about right on
[10:55] <goofrider> count0nz, that sums it up pretty well, actually
[10:55] <colera> neighborlee, like firefox reacts slowly and what not, it just doesn't feel snappy
[10:55] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[10:55] <puvneet> OR DO I HAVE TO GET
[10:55] <puvneet> IT
[10:55] <neighborlee> puvneet, already there
[10:55] <goofrider> puvneet, no u have to apt-get install apt-get
[10:55] <RoEn> beavis: i'am only looking
[10:55] <colera> neighborlee, i am coming from gentoo and maybe that's the thing
[10:55] <RoEn> ;)
[10:55] <goofrider> LMAO
[10:55] <goofrider> j/k
[10:55] <colera> neighborlee, gentoo is snappy
[10:55] <count0nz> sure gentoo you get a optimised system but at the expense of time and time is money
[10:56] <puvneet> IS THERE A WEBSITE WHERE I CAN DOWNLOAD IT
[10:56] <neighborlee> count0nz, exactly
[10:56] <neighborlee> count0nz, I could not agree more
[10:56] <colera> puvneet, download what?
[10:56] <thenuke> Painting I love and so want to share with you :) http://hero.mooo.com/users/thenuke/kuvat/taulu_sml.JPG
[10:56] <ryman|> do you guys set / and /home on the same partition ?
[10:56] <goofrider> count0nz, Gentoo only makes u FEEL like u built the prefect linux distro for yourself
[10:56] <puvneet> APTGTET
[10:56] <count0nz> and i have to fix servers i don't have 4 hours to send reemergeing stuff
[10:56] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[10:56] <count0nz> yes
[10:56] <count0nz> agree
[10:56] <Tatster> Hi, I wonder if someone could help me please. I am failry new to Samba and I can't get 1 thing to work.  I have Ubuntu box and Windows box.  From Windows box I am trying to create new directory on Ubuntu share.  I can connect to Ubuntu and see existing folders but when I try to create new one I get Access Denied message. My smb.conf file is at http://pastebin.com/284841
[10:56] <puvneet> COLERA,APTGET
[10:56] <goofrider> count0nz, tell me if there was ANY speed improvemnt with Gentoo, at all
[10:56] <neighborlee> thenuke, ahhhhhh ok..what exactly is that ;-00
[10:56] <goofrider> count0nz, cuz I bet there was none
[10:57] <thoreauputic> puvneet: stop it withthe caps
[10:57] <nxvl> hi
[10:57] <puvneet> ok
[10:57] <nxvl> im having a problem with Eterm
[10:57] <goofrider> count0nz, not counting at the time that it DOESN'T WORK
[10:57] <ryman|> do you guys set / and /home on the same partition ?
[10:57] <goofrider> ***al**l the time
[10:57] <puvneet> where can i download aptget
[10:57] <thoreauputic> puvneet: apt-get is built into the system
[10:57] <count0nz> And if you think ubantu sucks (no disrespect intended) then rember ubantu is version 1 it is still in the growing stages its going to get better over time
[10:57] <RoEn> hi Kano
[10:57] <nxvl> i dont know why the locales on mi Eterm are not good
[10:57] <puvneet> some one said it's not
[10:57] <thenuke> neighborlee: A painting
[10:57] <puvneet> so where can i find it
[10:57] <nxvl> look at one screenshot
[10:57] <goofrider> ryman|, I have /home /opt /srv and /tmp in a different partition and mount -bind them
[10:57] <nxvl> http://nxvl.no-ip.com/locales.png
[10:58] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[10:58] <nxvl> how can i fix this?
[10:58] <goofrider> puvneet, I was joking  :)
[10:58] <count0nz> and my ubantu system runs just as fast as my optimised gentoo system ever did
[10:58] <ryman|> goofrider, I'm reinstalling Ubuntu. Should I separate /home and / ?
[10:58] <puvneet> so where can i find it
[10:58] <thoreauputic> puvneet: you just type apt-get in a terminal - but use synaptic as a front end: it's easier to bgin that way
[10:58] <goofrider> puvneet, it's there just try it. Don't forget sudo. "sudo apt-get install blahblahblah"
[10:58] <goofrider> ryman|, it's more important to put /usr in a sep partition
[10:58] <count0nz> Any TV Dev's here ?
[10:59] <goofrider> ryman|, well, not IMPORTANT, but just more appropriate
[10:59] <puvneet> what is blahblahblah "i'm new to ubuntu"
[10:59] <waterbeetle> blahblahblah is the name of the file you want to apt-get
[10:59] <Klaas> Hi @ all, i'm going to buy a laptop, i've bin thinking about a apple powerbook superdrive 15", is that a good idea? i'll install linux on it ( becouse mac software is so expensive )
[10:59] <thoreauputic> puvneet: read about synaptic here;  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto (think about apt-get later)
[10:59] <puvneet> ok
[11:00] <Ghetek> sorry i had to leave for a bit, reposting my question
[11:00] <imaek> I am trying to install Avidemux ( http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/ ), and it says that it depends on libvorbis0.  I checked, and I have libvorbis0a installed.  I tried debian packages ( http://packages.debian.org/libvorbis0 ), and when I try to install it says that it conflicts with libvorbis0a.  What can I do?
[11:00] <Ghetek> im trying to install a logitech quickcam messenger driver from here http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Quickcam_Messenger_Linux_kernel_2.6_driver but whenever i try it I get a few errors, im new to linux (im a windows guy)  here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/284837
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Klaas: depends on what you need - wireless is unsupported on the latest powerbooks/ iBooks
[11:00] <Q_Continuum> anyone heard of any success of any installs on the new Intel i955 chipset?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Klaas: if you need a modem that could also be an issue
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Klaas: otherwise I'm happy with my iBook
[11:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> has anyone heard of an Open source mmo game?
[11:01] <flodine> anyone on 64 bit
[11:01] <Klaas> thoreauputic, i'll buy the powerbook G5 when it comes out, maybe the second edititon of the G5, i will work wireless for sure
[11:02] <Klaas> ibook, i'll buy a powerbook
[11:02] <waterbeetle> puvneet, you know what the terminal is?
[11:02] <puvneet> i keep on getting the message could not find and then the file name
[11:02] <goofrider> Klaas, the PowerStove G5 u mean?
[11:02] <puvneet> yes
[11:02] <flodine> is there gdesklets for 64bit and ubuntu
[11:02] <Klaas> will it be powerstove?
[11:02] <Klaas> no powerbook anymore?
[11:02] <goofrider> it'll be a PowerStove
[11:02] <waterbeetle> puvneet, type: sudo apt-get install smeg
[11:02] <puvneet> i know what a terminal is
[11:02] <puvneet> ok
[11:02] <goofrider> the G5 is HOT
[11:03] <Klaas> you mean, hot by cooling? or veeeryy extreeemlyyy cool
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Klaas: well Broadcom won't release details of Airport Express to the community, so be aware that drivers for those cards are not going to happen any time soon, if ever
[11:03] <puvneet> it says couldn't find package
[11:03] <goofrider> it runs hot
[11:03] <Klaas> oh :(
[11:03] <UpSpy> PearPC PieSpy Chart Uploaded
[11:03] <goofrider> hence PowerStove  ;)
[11:03] <puvneet> waterbeetle. it says couldn't find package
[11:03] <Klaas> so, if i buy a powerbook, i won't be possible to work wireless
[11:03] <Klaas> or a powerstove, or ibook
[11:03] <flodine> hello ubuntu folks anyone running 64 bit chip here
[11:03] <concept10> any grub experts here
[11:03] <livinded> can someone help me getting my audigy to work with vlc
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Klaas: unless you use an accessory dongle or similar
[11:03] <goofrider> Klaas, hopefully we'll have AirportExtreme driver soon
[11:03] <waterbeetle> puvneet, copy the text verbatim
[11:04] <livinded> i got a 64 btit but i running windows on it for editing
[11:04] <livinded> i'd like to get gentoo on it
[11:04] <puvneet> WATER BEETLE IT SAYS COULDN'T FIND PACKAGE
[11:04] <goofrider> Klaas, if not, u can always use a USB WiFi dongle, right??
[11:04] <flodine> windows 64 software
[11:04] <puvneet> the what know
[11:04] <Klaas> oh ok, forgot, will an pcmcia ( or something ) work?
[11:04] <Klaas> or an usb
[11:04] <Klaas> you're right ;)
[11:04] <Klaas> is that fully supported by ubuntu,
[11:04] <Klaas> automatic?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> puvneet: STOP it with the caps , and go read the wiki: you need to learn a bit
[11:05] <sobersabre> hi guys
[11:05] <Klaas> hi
[11:05] <livinded> do i need to reocmpile the kernel to use a usb wifi dongle?
[11:05] <Ghetek> hi
[11:05] <waterbeetle> puvneet: try # apt-get update
[11:05] <livinded> or linksys i mean
[11:05] <goofrider> Klaas, don't have ubuntu PC so I can't guarentee u it's gonna work
[11:05] <Klaas> oh okej ;)
[11:06] <sobersabre> how do i use ieee80211_crypt_tkip ?
[11:06] <goofrider> livinded, y do u need to recompile the kernel? r u a Gentoo user?
[11:06] <vicks> if puvneet is new to ubuntu, wouldn't it be esier to use synaptic?
[11:06] <sobersabre> i am on ipw2200 ...
[11:06] <livinded> no i'm using ubuntu now
[11:06] <goofrider> livinded, but did u come from gentoo?
[11:06] <waterbeetle> he wants to use apt-get
[11:06] <livinded> i'd like to use my usb wifi thing though until i get a switch
[11:06] <livinded> no
[11:06] <livinded> its a linksys
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vicks: I already gave him the link to a synaptic howto
[11:06] <livinded> oh ya i've used gentoo before
[11:06] <vicks> aha, sorry
[11:07] <livinded> and slack
[11:07] <livinded> and a ef wothers
[11:07] <Klaas> if you had to choose, wich one would you choose? the powerbook? or the powerstove?
[11:07] <goofrider> livinded, there should be usb wifi driver modules, u shouldn't need to recompile
[11:07] <livinded> ok
[11:07] <livinded> what do i need to do to activate it
[11:07] <goofrider> Klaas, iBook G4. I like small and cheap  :P
[11:07] <livinded> i've never used this on linux befor eonly on windows
[11:08] <puvneet> i did that and it says the same message coulldn't find package smeg
[11:08] <sobersabre> guys, wifi q, i have an ipw2200 card
[11:08] <vicks> puvneet: what package are you trying to install?
[11:08] <sobersabre> i got the latest driver
[11:08] <puvneet> xine-ui
[11:08] <waterbeetle> puvneet, did update work?
[11:08] <puvneet> or mplayer
[11:08] <goofrider> livinded, start with this page  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[11:08] <sobersabre> it has support for tkip
[11:08] <sobersabre> is there a way to use it ?
[11:08] <livinded> ok thanks
[11:09] <puvneet> yes ti looked like it did
[11:09] <Klaas> i love the powerbook, it's in allu ;)
[11:09] <Ghetek> Im on a p4, which mplayer shoudl i install?
[11:09] <Klaas> i586
[11:09] <Ghetek> klass, is that to me?
[11:09] <goofrider> Klaas, $500+$1000 more for just the LOOK?
[11:09] <puvneet> the update worked
[11:09] <Klaas> yes ghetek
[11:10] <Ghetek> thanks
[11:10] <Klaas> goofrider
[11:10] <goofrider> Klaas, u know the specs b/w the iBook and PowerBooks are basically the same
[11:10] <Andril> hello all - again
[11:10] <self-fed> hey all
[11:10] <vicks> puvneet: have you added the extra repositories (universe, multiverse etc?)
[11:10] <Andril> I have a quick question?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> puvneet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:10] <Klaas> oh okej :)
[11:10] <goofrider> Ghetek, mplayer-686
[11:10] <Ghetek> damn...
[11:10] <Ghetek> already installing 586
[11:10] <hyapadi> what is the backup program in ubuntu to backup from a folder > usb disk?
[11:10] <Ghetek> oh no
[11:10] <self-fed> how do i create a backup for my hdd?? i want to save what i have downloaded and installed on ubuntu...
[11:10] <thoreauputic> goofrider: there is no 686 mplayer, only 586
[11:11] <Andril> is it safe to use the installer from Firefox to upgrade to 1.0.4 - or should I wait for the repository to be updated?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: that is correct
[11:11] <goofrider> thoreauputic, i swear there is
[11:11] <thoreauputic> goofrider: apt-cache search mplayer
[11:11] <vicks> anyone know why i can't install firefox plugins. nothing happens when i click on them
[11:11] <self-fed> how do i create a backup for my hdd?? i want to save what i have downloaded and installed on ubuntu
[11:11] <goofrider> mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[11:11] <Klaas> isn't i586 correct for p4 ?
[11:11] <Klaas> for mplayer
[11:11] <goofrider> so it's a damn virtual package
[11:11] <goofrider> I was lied to!!!
[11:12] <Ghetek> it said something about wrong font path when i started it
[11:12] <Andril> vicks, same issue here - I think you must upgrade to the newest build - but I am asking now if it's safe to use the installer
[11:12] <thoreauputic> goofrider: oops you are right
[11:12] <goofrider> Klaas, P4 = 786
[11:12] <Klaas> well, i don't think p4 is i686 becouse my AXP tells me i686
[11:12] <Klaas> aaah
[11:12] <self-fed> hello?
[11:12] <Klaas> 786
[11:12] <Klaas> hello self-fed
[11:12] <self-fed> how do i create a backup for my hdd?? i want to save what i have downloaded and installed on ubuntu
[11:12] <Ghetek> should i remove 586?
[11:12] <vicks> Andril: is it like that from all servers
[11:12] <goofrider> Klaas, 686 = PPro, P2, P3, K7
[11:12] <thoreauputic> goofrider: I hadn't seen that one at all: but 586 is fine anyway
[11:13] <Klaas> thanks goofrider
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: 586 is fine
[11:13] <Ghetek> ok
[11:13] <Klaas> @ all, i'm going to bed, bye all
[11:13] <Ghetek> and the font problem/
[11:13] <Ghetek> ?
[11:13] <ryman|> gnite Klaas
[11:13] <goofrider> thoreauputic, mplayer-686 is just a virtual package that installs mplayer-586. I think mplayer doesn't use SSE2
[11:13] <Klaas> good night ( belgium - 23 : 13 )
[11:13] <self-fed> i want to backup the things that i have downloaded... how?
[11:14] <livinded> can someone give me some help with vlc
[11:14] <livinded> i can't get it to output through my audigy
[11:14] <thoreauputic> goofrider: aha - OK I knew I had 586 here so I assumed it was the highest available
[11:14] <Ghetek> New_Face failed. maybe the font path is wrong  please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf))
[11:14] <Klaas> euhm, self-fed, realy don't know, if you want to backup everything, buy a second drive, buy a raid controller and use your two hdd's in raid 1
[11:14] <Klaas> set the second to mirroring or something
[11:14] <Klaas> bye , logging of in 5sec
[11:14] <goofrider> thoreauputic, and I assumed the mplayer-686 actually has stuff in it  ;)
[11:15] <thoreauputic> goofrider: ah well, we were both wrong and right ;)
[11:15] <goofrider> backup? what do u wanna backup to? another folder? another drive? CDR??
[11:16] <goofrider> please be a little more specific?
[11:17] <Andril> vicks, yes but there is a newer build out but the repository does not reflect it
[11:17] <thoreauputic> self-fed: if you mean .deb packages, you'll find them in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:17] <penguin_roar> self-fed, G4L is really nice if you want to backup everything like ghost but bit for bit
[11:18] <self-fed> i want to backup all my downloaded files to a cd
[11:18] <goofrider> G4L?
[11:18] <colera> is there anyway to merge the two default gnome menus that are on the top and bottom
[11:18] <colera> ?
[11:18] <goofrider> self-fed, downloaded files as in downloaded file in Firefox? or Synaptic?
[11:18] <waterbeetle> self-fed, you could burn a cd
[11:18] <goofrider> self-fed, either way, Nautilus can already burn CD
[11:19] <goofrider> self-fed, or u can use Gnomebaker or k3b
[11:19] <thoreauputic> colera: there's only one gnomemenu - the other must be a duplicate
[11:19] <thoreauputic> colera: you can just remove it
[11:19] <self-fed> yea i know but how do i find the files that i have downloaded and installed?? ( via apt-get
[11:19] <penguin_roar> k3b and gnomebaker is nice for burning cds
[11:19] <livinded> where do usb thumbdrives mount to
[11:19] <goofrider> self-fed, /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:19] <livinded> i don't see it in /mnt/
[11:20] <ryman|> livinded, its on your desktop
[11:20] <penguin_roar> ./media
[11:20] <hyapadi> How to backup a folder > UsbDisk? I want to update the backup manually, but not to copy all the files, instead copy only the changes. Is there any tools to do this easily?
[11:20] <livinded> i'm not running gnome
[11:20] <penguin_roar> livinded, look in /media
[11:20] <thoreauputic> self-fed: if you mean the binaries, they are mostly in /usr/bin/
[11:20] <thoreauputic> self-fed: but you don't back those up anyway
[11:20] <goofrider> livinded, what r u running? console? it may not automount
[11:20] <livinded> i don't see it there
[11:20] <livinded> i'm running xfce
[11:20] <livinded> do i need to edit my fstab?
[11:20] <waterbeetle> self-fed, all the files would have distributed themselves among thier own directory trees, etc...
[11:20] <goofrider> livinded, u'll have to mount it yourself
[11:21] <larsrohdin> is it possible to install ubuntu without x?
[11:21] <livinded> what do i type mount ...
[11:21] <goofrider> larsrohdin, typer server at the boot cd boot prompt
[11:21] <livinded> i don't know where it is
[11:21] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: have a look at rsync
[11:21] <SeaDragon> sudo ln -fs /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[11:21] <SeaDragon> sudo ln -fs /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[11:21] <goofrider> livinded, use a terminal window
[11:21] <larsrohdin> goofrider, just server?
[11:21] <livinded> ya i know how to mount
[11:21] <goofrider> larsrohdin, i think so
[11:21] <livinded> but what do i mountf rom
[11:21] <SeaDragon> those lines only create a link don't they?
[11:21] <larsrohdin> kewl, thanks dude
[11:21] <penguin_roar> livinded, mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb
[11:22] <hyapadi> thoreauputic, is there any guide how to use rysnc for my case?
[11:22] <goofrider> livinded, usually /dev/sda1
[11:22] <livinded> ok
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: man rsync is fairly readable
[11:22] <penguin_roar> livinded, you can do tail -f /var/log/messages to see where its mounted
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: or google for "rsync howto"
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: it isn't difficult
[11:22] <colera> thoreauputic, umm i don't think so because it has different stuff in it
[11:23] <penguin_roar> livinded, just issue that command and unplug/plugin the usb
[11:23] <goofrider> SeaDragon, yes they only create symlinks
[11:23] <thoreauputic> colera: have you used the menu editor?
[11:23] <eob84> are there any recomendations on recovering a deleted file?
[11:23] <hyapadi> ok thx thoreauputic
[11:23] <thoreauputic> colera: how did you end up with *two* different gnome-menus ?
[11:23] <livinded> ok got it mounted
[11:23] <goofrider> eob84, pray?
[11:24] <goofrider> eob84, j/k  :)
[11:24] <eob84> HA
[11:24] <thoreauputic> eob84: there is no recovery for deleted files on an ext3 filesystem
[11:24] <penguin_roar> anyone know any msn webcam capable chat client?
[11:24] <livinded> gaim
[11:24] <eob84> what of reiserFS?
[11:24] <goofrider> eob84, e2undel
[11:24] <penguin_roar> livinded, webcam?
[11:24] <livinded> i think so
[11:24] <count0nz> gnomemeeting
[11:24] <thoreauputic> goofrider: that will only work on ext2
[11:25] <count0nz> not msn tho
[11:25] <livinded> you may have to add webcam support seperate thouh
[11:25] <goofrider> thoreauputic, not ext3?
[11:25] <colera> thoreauputic, it is just that way when i installed
[11:25] <ryman|> anyone got ipod work on ubuntu ?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> goofrider: nope
[11:25] <goofrider> that sucks
[11:25] <colera> thoreauputic, one has the gnome menu thing like the windows menu the other has the launcehd appas and the workspace icons
[11:26] <Ghetek> can i add kde-apps.org to my apt-get sources list? if so how?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> colera: I'm not clear on what you mean, but you can remove/ move them from one panel to another if that's what you want
[11:27] <livinded> can someone help me setup vlc with my audigy
[11:27] <livinded> it wont output through my audigy for some reason
[11:27] <carthik_later> Ghetek, do they have a apt repository?
[11:27] <Ghetek> yes
[11:27] <Ghetek> im usint kynaptic to edit it
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: why would you want to? Virtually any KDE app is available through apt or synaptic
[11:27] <Ghetek> not "bricks"
[11:27] <carthik_later> Ghetek , edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then add that in, the same way the others in the file are
[11:27] <goofrider> Ghetek, becareful not to overwrite core kdelibs from their repo (if they ship them)
[11:28] <Ghetek> i dont know what to add
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Ghetek: mixing sources is deprecated, by the way
[11:28] <carthik_later> Ghetek, the url, the "branch" etc.
[11:28] <Ghetek> ah
[11:28] <Ghetek> ok
[11:28] <carthik_later> Ghetek, if you only want brick, why dont you download the .deb file and install it using dpkg -i ?
[11:29] <carthik_later> bricks, sorry
[11:29] <livinded> can someone help me setup vlc with my audigy
[11:29] <livinded> it wont output through my audigy for some reason
[11:29] <goofrider> livinded, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:29] <goofrider> livinded, please search the wiki and forum for audio issues and solutionsa
[11:29] <livinded> it works on other programs
[11:29] <livinded> just not vlc
[11:29] <thoreauputic> livinded: if someone can help, they will: repeating won't help
[11:29] <goofrider> livinded, oh ok
[11:29] <colera> thoreauputic, how do i move things to another pannel>?
[11:30] <livinded> it doesn't list alsa or my audigy under the source in vlc
[11:30] <goofrider> livinded, and u r using esound right?
[11:30] <livinded> its not a sound problem
[11:30] <colera> thoreauputic, oh i figured it out
[11:30] <thoreauputic> colera: right click, remove: right click the other paanel, choose what you need, add
[11:30] <puvneet> yo i'm back
[11:30] <livinded> its setup for alsa
[11:30] <livinded> i think
[11:31] <goofrider> wait.. i don;t even have vlc installed.. LOL
[11:31] <livinded> like it works fine with xmms but vlc doesn't like it
[11:31] <Tatster> Can anyone recommend a good app to burn multiple cd's at the same time?
[11:32] <ryman|> do you guys customize your Ubuntu so it looks all nice and stuffs ?
[11:32] <goofrider> ryman|, it looks nice the way it is
[11:32] <hans_> is there any porgram to show the fps in games?
[11:32] <livinded> ryman thats an xwindows thign not ubuntu
[11:32] <hans_> like fras on windows
[11:32] <livinded> i customize ubuntu to run better though
[11:32] <fuZiSu> livinded, i c
[11:32] <yahalom> ey...i just installed ubuntu on one of my customers's pcs. They don't have the internet. How do I supply them with updates and extra apps? they need more locality support.
[11:32] <webby> livinded, what did u do?
[11:33] <goofrider> livinded, installing vlc.. it's gonna take a while. anyone lese helping u?
[11:33] <colera> oh great
[11:33] <livinded> not yet
[11:33] <colera> i just removed the little icon that shows the desktop and it's not in the add menu
[11:33] <knapjack> hans_: Depends on the game
[11:33] <livinded> well for starters i set a root password
[11:33] <knapjack> livinded: Why?
[11:33] <puvneet> beginning to hate this linux
[11:34] <livinded> becuase other people sshinto ym box
[11:34] <goofrider> yahalom, if they don't have internet, u do they need updates? they're not vulnerable to exploits and they don't know what's current  :)
[11:34] <livinded> and i usually leave ssh open
[11:34] <knapjack> Yeah, but only people in sudoers will have root access
[11:34] <thoreauputic> colera: yes it is - something like "show desktop" ( I'm in xfce so I can't check)
[11:34] <livinded> lol
[11:34] <puvneet> why would they package a stupid player like totem crap
[11:34] <hypa7ia> livinded: with no root passowrd there is no root /account/, so no-one can ssh in :-)
[11:34] <livinded> knapjack, ever heard of an exploit
[11:34] <yahalom> goofrider: they need some updates that are missing on the cd. is there no way i can add some apt-get apps to a cd?
[11:34] <hypa7ia> has anyone recieved their cd's yet?
[11:34] <knapjack> livinded: Yep, but having a root password isn't going to help that any.
[11:35] <penguin_roar> puvneet, whats the problem? tell me and i can help =)
[11:35] <puvneet> is there a program that you can download nad just have it work
[11:35] <thoreauputic> puvneet: th eproblem isn't Linux: the problem is you  ahven't read the wiki
[11:35] <livinded> why?
[11:35] <puvneet> i have
[11:35] <goofrider> yahalom, u can build your own live cd, or cd DEB repo
[11:35] <colera> thoreauputic, alright
[11:35] <puvneet> it's in heiroglyphics
[11:35] <knapjack> Because any process running as root is susceptible.  If it's already running, it doesn't need a password.
[11:35] <goofrider> yahalom, just ask google, there are some howtos online
[11:35] <Raag> does the install cd come with the packages needed to connect with dialup?
[11:35] <puvneet> i keep getting the error or command like can't find the program
[11:36] <thoreauputic> puvneet: maybe you just aren't ready for Linux
[11:36] <goofrider> livinded, u let other users SSH into your box as root?
[11:36] <thenuke> puvneet: what was your problem again?
[11:36] <puvneet> or package
[11:36] <knapjack> livinded: Giving root a password just means that it's able to be cracked as well as exploited.
[11:36] <lesshaste> how do I get X to log me in automatically when I boot up instead of prompting for a password etc.?
[11:36] <sobersabre> has anybody tried working with a WIFI card and ieee80211_crypt_tkip
[11:36] <hypa7ia> livinded: until you set the password there /is/ no root account.
[11:36] <sobersabre> ?
[11:36] <thenuke> puvneet: you want to install.. what?
[11:36] <livinded> goofrider, only friens when they help on stuff
[11:36] <quatrevingtquatr> hello
[11:36] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer and tried mto run it threw the terminal
[11:36] <puvneet> or install it
[11:36] <penguin_roar> hypa7ia, how do i remove the root account if i created one?
[11:36] <hypa7ia> penguin_roar: that i don't know
[11:36] <goofrider> livinded, u should give your firends their own account and add then into the admin group
[11:37] <thenuke> puvneet: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[11:37] <hypa7ia> penguin_roar: did you check the wiki / forums?
[11:37] <knapjack> hypa7ia: There is one, it's just harder to log in.  'sudo su -' will make you root if you have the permissions.
[11:37] <thenuke> puvneet: there you go.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> puvneet: run gmplayer (assuming you installed the correct package)
[11:37] <thenuke> puvneet: no go, and follow EVERY step in there..
[11:37] <hypa7ia> knapjack: ahh, good to know
[11:37] <livinded> it was faster to do it this way and my box isn't up 24/7 so its not that big of a problem
[11:37] <knapjack> penguin_roar: You can edit /etc/shadow and make the hash for root back to *
[11:37] <hypa7ia> knapjack: or sudo -s i think?
[11:37] <puvneet> ok
[11:37] <livinded> once i get my switch in ehre i'm formatting to gentoo anyways
[11:37] <penguin_roar> knapjack, thanks!
[11:37] <goofrider> livinded, here we preach about NOT having a a root password, and here you are, not only setting a root password, u even give it out to ppl!!!!
[11:37] <knapjack> hypa7ia: That might work, too.
[11:37] <livinded> this is just temporary till i get it setup
[11:38] <hypa7ia> knapjack: don't recall the -flag, but it's that simple
[11:38] <livinded> preach all you want
[11:38] <penguin_roar> im so used to a root account, ill better get used to sudo i assume
[11:38] <goofrider> livinded, right, and they could've install a complete rootkit already and u'd have no idea
[11:39] <penguin_roar> no root is pretty smart if you have ssh running for eg
[11:39] <Ghetek> whats a good 3d game that i can get via apt-get?
[11:39] <penguin_roar> there are a lot of scripts attacking weak root passwds
[11:39] <goofrider> penguin_roar, sudo is a total different philosophy that requires a paradigm shift
[11:39] <livinded> mine isn't weak
[11:39] <Ghetek> mine is
[11:39] <goofrider> penguin_roar, but once u get used to it, it makes a lot more sense
[11:39] <knapjack> Ghetek: Tux Racer is fun for a while
[11:39] <Tatster> how can I burn multiple simultaneous cd's?
[11:39] <livinded> unless they get the hash or find another epxloit they not getting it
[11:39] <puvneet> i tried to use xine and get the updated codecs i typed in the command and get a choice do you want to continue press y and i did it just aborts every time i press i want to continue
[11:40] <knapjack> Ghetek: Tux Racer is better if you don't try to actually race, and you just free-form "sled", try to catch air, explore the runs, etc.
[11:40] <livinded> i think it would take a while to crack an 12 character alphanumeric login
[11:40] <knapjack> livinded: Not as long as you think
[11:40] <goofrider> livinded, 12 character? pssssssssssst
[11:40] <Ghetek> thanks
[11:40] <Ghetek> will play
[11:40] <knapjack> livinded: 'apt-get install john' from universe
[11:41] <count0nz> lol 12 hrs i give it about 4 hours
[11:41] <livinded> i have john
[11:41] <count0nz> 12 chrs
[11:41] <laurent_> salut a tous
[11:41] <penguin_roar> goofrider, but does it help against elevated priviliges?
[11:41] <puvneet> help
[11:41] <goofrider> livinded, if it's not at leass 16 char with upper case, lower case, num and punctuation, then it's not even MEDIUMLY secure passwd
[11:41] <laurent_> quelqu'un parle franais
[11:42] <goofrider> penguin_roar, which is....?
[11:42] <count0nz> :P
[11:42] <count0nz> Secure Penguins Rock
[11:42] <penguin_roar> someone with a local account who uses some hack to elevate his rights
[11:42] <livinded> well i'll be formatting in about 2 weeks so it really doesn't matter now
[11:42] <knapjack> penguin_roar: Nope
[11:42] <goofrider> penguin_roar, it depends on what kinda of hack it is
[11:42] <Ghetek> i cant find tuxracer in my menu
[11:42] <knapjack> penguin_roar: Using a local exploit eliminates the need to have a password.
[11:43] <penguin_roar> knapjack, kind of what i was going for
[11:43] <goofrider> penguin_roar,the penetrator could've been exploit a process that's already running as root
[11:43] <knapjack> penguin_roar: Though, using a local exploit makes it easier to obtain everyone else's password.
[11:43] <puvneet> thenuke you told me a mplayer website and it had a command line to type in and i did why do i get this message all the time couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
[11:43] <thenuke> puvneet: umm.. did it ask you to type BIG Y or perhaps to type in yes? or something :P
[11:43] <puvneet> i did both
[11:43] <puvneet> lower case and bigger
[11:44] <thenuke> puvneet: seems like you did not do what I asked you to do then ;D
[11:44] <thenuke> puvneet: follow every step in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer ..
[11:44] <puvneet> i did
[11:44] <thenuke> puvneet: did you skip that second step?
[11:44] <thenuke> "Read How to add extra repositories?"
[11:44] <count0nz> give someone root temp thay just have to make a suid app calls something and have that run bash etc.. and then thay have themself a root shell like that
[11:44] <puvneet> what was the second step
[11:44] <knapjack> livinded: You could always use QEMU and let your friends ssh into that.
[11:45] <knapjack> livinded: Protect yourself just a hair.
[11:45] <ziggy__> does 5.04 use devfs?
[11:45] <ziggy__> i cannot get /dev/mga_vid to work at all
[11:45] <livinded> nobody has ever gained access to my machine
[11:45] <Edgan> ziggy__: udev
[11:45] <goofrider> count0nz, yeah and then they can install a rootkit and come back as they please
[11:45] <livinded> i think i protect me self decently
[11:45] <ziggy__> Edgan, thanks
[11:45] <penguin_roar> livinded, most hacks these days seems to be weak passwords
[11:45] <ziggy__> i am stuck with a matrox card that doesn't work
[11:45] <livinded> mine aren't weak
[11:45] <count0nz> goofrider, agee :)
[11:46] <goofrider> livinded, u think u'd know if u've been exploited if they install a rootkit?
[11:46] <knapjack> ziggy__: What flavor?
[11:46] <ziggy__> g400
[11:46] <livinded> most people wont sit and crack long difficult passes unles there is something good inside
[11:46] <livinded> i think i would notice somethign running
[11:46] <penguin_roar> livinded, tell my boss that with a cluestick, he had ssh open for root and a weak passwd, got 0wnd
[11:46] <ziggy__> knapjack, it has issues at /dev/mga_vid
[11:46] <goofrider> livinded, no, they just use your system as a proxy to penetrate other systems
[11:46] <darkling> That's the whole point of a rootkit -- you can't see that it's there.
[11:46] <goofrider> livinded, or use it as a DoS zombie
[11:46] <penguin_roar> livinded, thats what those scripts banging on my sshd do
[11:46] <ziggy__> the kernel modules are loaded, mga and mga_vid both are in dmesg
[11:46] <livinded> yes and i watch connections that go through my box
[11:47] <livinded> i see what happens
[11:47] <ziggy__> the error is at /dev/mga_vid
[11:47] <ziggy__> when I run mplayer
[11:47] <goofrider> livinded, you can't watch your box 24/7
[11:47] <PoTs> I'd like to install digikam (image viewer and editor) but this is a kde application, is there an alternative for gnome?
[11:47] <livinded> its not up 24/7
[11:47] <darkaudit> goofrider: I set a root passwd for apps that won't accept the sudo passwd... like trying to run synaptic in Fluxbox... remote access is disabled... what about that?
[11:47] <livinded> it can't be compremized when tis down
[11:47] <goofrider> livinded, u well to bed, you box gets exploited, the log cleaned up, the rootkit installed, then u wake up, it looks like nothing happended
[11:47] <penguin_roar> unless its windows ;D
[11:48] <ivoks> darkaudit gksudo synaptic
[11:48] <livinded> its off when i sleep
[11:48] <livinded> and no internet on it whne i've using windows
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello [X-Pro] DarkGhost welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> bob2
[11:48] <Edgan> goofrider: until you get blackholed for DDoS or something
[11:48] <goofrider> darkaudit, make a shortcut for (gk)sudo synpatic
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> [ ReSpOnD ]  [ What the hell do you want goofrider Wait i dont even care....Anyways im busy... ]  [One OF DarkGhost's Customized Topics ]
[11:48] <knapjack> ziggy__: What happens if you sudo mplayer?
[11:48] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello frederic welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:48] <Ghetek> where does tux racer go in the menu?
[11:48] <ziggy__> it says no device
[11:49] <Edgan> knapjack: why would you want to?
[11:49] <knapjack> Ghetek: Not sure.
[11:49] <Edgan> Ghetek: I would think Games
[11:49] <Ghetek> if i add it in manually, will it mess up where debian packaaages put things?
[11:49] <knapjack> Edgan: Just checking to see if mplayer wanted write access to the device, and for some reason the console user didn't have it.
[11:49] <ziggy__> $ mplayer dvd://
[11:49] <ziggy__> # mplayer dvd://
[11:49] <Edgan> knapjack: which device?
[11:49] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello WX welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:49] <goofrider> [X-Pro] DarkGhost, turn it off please
[11:50] <knapjack> Edgan: I've seen that before with audio and other apps, so I thought it might be worth a try.  It's a Matrox G400.
[11:50] <_hp_> anyone here got the logitech media keyboard buttons to work?
[11:50] <ziggy__> both will give open: No such device or address vo_mga: Couldn't open /dev/mga_vid
[11:50] <penguin_roar> heh
[11:50] <count0nz> LOL song for Ubantu : Evanesence - Hello "Don't try to fix me i'me not broken" shes talking about her ubantu box :)
[11:50] <goofrider> damn stupid IRC scripts
[11:50] <darkaudit> I've noticed some items will accept the sudo passwd (time admin, firestarter), and others want root passwd when run from the Debian menu (i.e. Debian->Apps->System->Synaptic Package Manager)...
[11:50] <_hp_> my ubuntu works swell
[11:50] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello StoneTable welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:50] <puvneet> what does"apend the following lines mean"
[11:50] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> somone slap me
[11:50] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> slap me
[11:50] <WX> anyone here know why highlighting text in firfox makes the words after the highlighted sectino to bounce around? it's really annoying
[11:50] <puvneet> help
[11:50] <Edgan> knapjack: /dev/mga_vid? a mpeg decoder or something?
[11:51] <_hp_> puvneet, augment the document with the content in the proceeding lines
[11:51] <puvneet> add to it
[11:51] <goofrider> puvneet, append = add it to the bottom
[11:51] <ziggy__> Edgan mknod /dev/mga_vid c 178 0
[11:51] <GMFlash> does 5.04 use the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel?
[11:51] <knapjack> Edgan: Maybe.  Not my box or hardware.  Trying to help ziggy__ .
[11:51] <penguin_roar> WX, havent ever seen that, suspect its a video driver thing
[11:51] <puvneet> ok
[11:51] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello seb128 welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:51] <goofrider> GMFlash, 2.6.10
[11:51] <GMFlash> thank you
[11:51] <knapjack> Edgan: It sounds like the problem only crops up with mplayer.
[11:51] <_hp_> [X-Pro] DarkGhost, that's pretty annoying
[11:51] <WX> penguin_roar, well i'm using nvidia drivers... currently in a xinerama setup
[11:52] <GMFlash> i'm trying to install it in vmware 5 but keep getting problems during the install
[11:52] <knapjack> WX: How is that going?
[11:52] <WX> penguin_roar, let me check on my IBM T42
[11:52] <ziggy__> knapjack, ls -la /dev/mga_vid
[11:52] <goofrider> _hp_, and agianst channel policy
[11:52] <_hp_> so, is there any utility that will let me pogram my keyboard because i've got special buttons
[11:52] <ziggy__> crw-rw----  1 root video 178, 0 2005-05-15 14:29 /dev/mga_vid
[11:52] <WX> knapjack, i have to use xinerama because twinview doesn't allow 3 LCDs... and it's going just fine
[11:52] <_hp_> this isn't #uberaolhaxors [X-Pro] DarkGhost
[11:52] <knapjack> WX: Nice.
[11:52] <goofrider> _hp_, I remember seeing some appp in tht repo
[11:52] <knapjack> WX: I keep thinking I'll go dual-head one day.
[11:53] <WX> skip dualhead and go triplehead
[11:53] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello astro76 welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:53] <goofrider> stfu [X-Pro] DarkGhost
[11:53] <WX> knapjack, it's annoying not having the *primary* screen in the center
[11:53] <_hp_> any ops around?
[11:53] <count0nz> mine has TV out enabled
[11:53] <_hp_> ajmitch_, bob2, crimsun, daniels, tritium ?
[11:53] <g14> I thought they didn't let bots in here?
[11:53] <penguin_roar> nope, this isnt productive, off to whack some l0sers in ut sniper
[11:54] <count0nz> thats not a bot its a Sentinent Being
[11:54] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello Quest-Master welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:54] <_hp_> g14, they've got mad mIRC scripts to annoy the collective
[11:54] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> its not a bot its a script
[11:54] <_hp_> -[X-Pro] DarkGhost- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[11:54] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello usual welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:54] <_hp_> i didn't know mIRC ran on ubuntu
[11:54] <goofrider> [X-Pro] DarkGhost, please turn it off
[11:54] <hypa7ia> [X-Pro] DarkGhost: that is rather annoying.
[11:55] <Edgan>  /ignore [X-Pro] DarkGhost
[11:55] <goofrider> it's VERY annoying and interrupt our convos
[11:55] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello ubuntu welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:55] <usual> is ubuntu a good idea for a server OS?
[11:55] <waterbeetle> _hp_, it isn't mIRC, it is X-Chat
[11:55] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello K_Dallas welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:55] <topyli> please don't add to the noise, just ignore him/her/it
[11:55] <_hp_> waterbeetle, i /version 'ed him
[11:55] <Ghetek> please tell me how to ignore it
[11:55] <waterbeetle> oh
[11:55] <waterbeetle> oh
[11:55] <knapjack> usual: It can be.  I use Debian on mine, but Ubuntu is a lot like using Sarge.
[11:55] <[X-Pro] DarkGhost> Hello nxvl welcome to #ubuntu sit back and relax
[11:55] <puvneet> i have the same problem it says "After unpacking 3490kB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:55] <puvneet> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? Y
[11:55] <puvneet> the I type y and it just says abort
[11:55] <Edgan> usual: In general yes, but there are some cases where it doesn't stand up to the demands, like poor software raid support
[11:55] <_hp_> Ghetek, /ignore
[11:55] <knapjack> usual: Probably a little better, and it's nice getting the security updates for something newer than Woody.
[11:56] <usual> knapjack, yeah I would use debian for a server, but I was wondering if ubuntu is changed in ways that it may not be good for a server
[11:56] <usual> knapjack, true
[11:56] <_hp_> seems ubuntu is not really meant for servers, but for people who want to use linux as their desktop
[11:56] <usual> yeah
[11:56] <hypa7ia> well, you can do the server install
[11:56] <goofrider> _hp_, why do u say that?
[11:56] <usual> but linux is linux
[11:56] <count0nz> ubantu makes a great server type server at the cd boot to install for a server
[11:56] <hypa7ia> which is just base packages
[11:56] <knapjack> usual: The new Hoary installer has a server install, I think you can do a minimal install and do the standard apt-get tricks.  I'm a big debfoster fan, especially on servers, so it should be the same.
[11:56] <topyli> _hp_: it's just as well for a server. pretty much like debian
[11:56] <count0nz> then install only server stuff no X :)
[11:56] <Brandonn> anyone know how I get a DWL-650 wireless card working, it's listed as "just works" in the Ubuntu HCL, but I get "unsupported card in socket 0"
[11:57] <usual> i see
[11:57] <usual> didn't see the server option
[11:57] <_hp_> usual, type server when you install
[11:57] <CarlK> when you install, type "server"
[11:57] <usual> k
[11:57] <CarlK> heh
[11:57] <count0nz> type server when it says boot:
[11:57] <goofrider> usual, type" server at the boot prompt when boot from installer cd
[11:57] <_hp_> i run ubuntu on my home computer but not on my server
[11:57] <mebaran151> my computer randomly halts
[11:57] <Edgan> Hopefully the poor software raid support will be fixed in Breezy
[11:57] <mebaran151> when I encode
[11:57] <mebaran151> how can I fix this problem
[11:57] <CarlK> when you see boot:, hit F1, F2, F3... read all those screens
[11:57] <mebaran151> it seems to halt under very high load
[11:57] <usual> I am using breezy
[11:57] <_hp_> but almost any linux will make a swell server
[11:57] <mebaran151> but under a similar condition in Windows
[11:58] <goofrider> mebaran151, renice???
[11:58] <knapjack> Edgan: Poor RAID support?
[11:58] <mebaran151> nice I dont think is the problem
[11:58] <knapjack> Edgan: Controller or software?
[11:58] <CarlK> mebaran151 - run memtest before you go to bed. the next morning see if it finds any errors
[11:58] <mebaran151> it seems to happen when I dd a cdrom to disk as well
[11:58] <mebaran151> I have done that
[11:58] <Edgan> knapjack: software raid support, the installer lets you create software raid arrays, but won't set any but the first one up correctly
[11:58] <topyli> _hp_: depening on the type of server, you may want something with a longer life time than ubuntu (debian, rhle/clones)...
[11:58] <mebaran151> never returns a single one
[11:58] <mebaran151> returned one once actually
[11:58] <knapjack> Edgan: Ah
[11:58] <mebaran151> I thin
[11:59] <mebaran151> but I dont think that would randomly halt it hard
[11:59] <topyli> _hp_: by life time i mean release cycle of course :)
[11:59] <g14> CentOS4 is the best for a server
[11:59] <_hp_> topyli, my server came with redhat enterprise and i never bothered to change it... it just works
[11:59] <mebaran151> and I mean very hard
[11:59] <knapjack> Edgan: I'm a big fan of 3Ware controllers, so it's been a while since I did software RAID.
[11:59] <mebaran151> requires an unplugging
[11:59] <topyli> _hp_: exactly
[11:59] <ziggy__> /dev/mga_vid Permission Denied
[11:59] <g14> CentOS4 = redhat enterprise 4
[11:59] <CarlK> mebaran151 - cpu getting too hot?
[11:59] <goofrider> g14, CentOS? how?
[11:59] <Edgan> knapjack: They are nice, but I prefer to put my money else where.
[11:59] <_hp_> topyli, although if i ever wanted to change it i would probably install gentoo on it
[11:59] <ziggy__> /dev/mga_vid Permission Denied, knapjack
[12:00] <goofrider> g14 just because it clone RHEL doesn't mean it's the best server dist
[12:00] <topyli> _hp_: too unpredictable :)