[12:06] <BenC> zul: all you changed was the ABI number, right?
[12:16] <zul> yeah ant the control file
[12:20] <BenC> upload away then
[12:22] <zul> done
[12:22] <zul> now wait for the rejection
[01:31] <zul> im thinking it got rejected
[01:35] <roh>  .oO(as long as the default kernel ends up without vmware modules....
[01:35] <mdz> BenC: 2.6.17 binaries new'd
[01:35] <BenC> mdz: nice, thanks
[01:35] <BenC> is vmware-modules a seperate package?
[01:36] <mdz> well, except ia64 which is still building
[01:36] <BenC> if so, I wonder what keeps us from putting it into lrm
[01:36] <BenC> mdz: is hppa gone from edgy, or just delayed?
[01:36] <mdz> BenC: yes, it is a separate package unfortunately, and I would prefer to have it in lrm
[01:36] <BenC> mdz: Consider it done for edgy
[01:36] <mdz> I don't remember why it wasn't done that way in the first place; talk to mvo?
[01:36] <roh> lrm?
[01:36] <BenC> will he be in paris?
[01:36] <roh> restricted modules?
[01:37] <mdz> yes
[01:37] <mdz> he should be online tomorrow as well
[01:37] <roh> i'd like a extra package more, since i mostly don't want to accept the vmware licence just to get the madwifi modules
[01:38] <BenC> mdz: Hey, kirkland from IBM invited me to a google sponsored summit at LWE
[01:38] <BenC> linux testing discussion, IBM, Google, RedHat, and some others
[01:38] <BenC> mdz: It's in Aug, so wanted to give you some time to think about it
[01:39] <BenC> kirkland is the guy doing our ABAT stuff
[01:39] <mdz> sounds interesting, where is it?
[01:39] <BenC> SanFran
[01:39] <mdz> BenC: ah, roh is right...that's surely the reason
[01:39] <fabbione> BenC: what week?
[01:39] <mdz> the vmware modules require a license acknowledgement
[01:39] <BenC> he actually invited "Ubuntu", so anyone else can come
[01:40] <BenC> mdz: Ah, good reason
[01:40] <BenC> fabbione: hold a sec
[01:40] <mdz> maybe they'll be willing to relax that in the future
[01:41] <BenC> Somewhere around 14-17
[01:41] <fabbione> BenC: the week after is the one davem and I were thinking for the "sparc will conquer the world week hacking fest in SF"
[01:41] <zul> heh
[01:42] <zul> BenC: can you grab the vmware stuff and do an upload t thx
[01:42] <BenC> fabbione: If that happens we can combine it
[01:42] <BenC> zul: ok
[01:42] <fabbione> BenC: i had no time to talk with Matt yet :)
[01:42] <BenC> well, combine the trip :)
[01:42] <zul> ooh...you can stop in ottawa ;)
[01:43] <zul> BenC: can i delete it...people are starting to my webserver
[01:44] <fabbione> zul: it's like... it's like... who cares about ottawa? :=)
[01:44] <zul> fabbione: yeah yeah...
[01:44] <zul> you will when canadians take over the world
[01:44] <BenC> zul: I got it
[01:44] <zul> cool...ill delete it
[01:44] <fabbione> zul: before canandias will take over the world, an italian will be US president
[01:45] <BenC> not sure how a bunch of flapping split heads can take over the world
[01:45] <zul> flapping split heads? thats a new one
[01:45] <BenC> <insert south park reference>
[01:46] <zul> ah ok
[01:46] <zul> aboot
[01:47] <BenC> zul: thanks, uploading now
[01:47] <zul> cool
[01:47] <zul> now people will stop asking
[01:48] <zul> ..as much
[03:14] <mdz> BenC: are you ready to update linux-meta to .17?
[03:14] <BenC> just waiting on infinity to upload lrm for .17
[03:15] <BenC> I gave him my patch to get it building, but he had a few changes for edgy
[03:15] <fabbione> do you really want to switch default kernel already?
[03:15] <fabbione> BenC: .17-1.1 is no go on Niagara
[03:15] <BenC> yeah
[03:15] <fabbione> ok
[03:15] <BenC> fabbione: Fixes from davem are in -2.2
[03:15] <fabbione> ok
[03:15] <BenC> which I am uploading
[03:15] <BenC> just finishing some final builds
[03:15] <fabbione> a lot of BUG CPU #XXXX soft lockups
[03:16] <BenC> yeah, you need the scheduler tuneup that davem sent
[03:16] <fabbione> ok
[03:16] <fabbione> BenC: remember that rcu patch i did try once and didn't work?
[03:16] <BenC> as soon as I upload -2.2, infinity will do lrm
[03:17] <BenC> and I'll do linux-meta
[03:17] <BenC> yeah
[03:17] <fabbione> BenC: we will have to revisit it for dapper. the 2/3 niagara people that hangs in #u-ports are all experiencing that problem when make -j
[03:17] <fabbione> at least with low (as in 8GB) mem
[03:18] <BenC> ok
[03:18] <BenC> also, .17 will be final any day now
[03:18] <fabbione> yeah
[03:18] <BenC> we will have lots of room for stabalizing this kernel for edgy
[03:18] <fabbione> .17 doesn't have the problem
[03:18] <BenC> ah, ok
[03:19] <fabbione> it's only .15
[03:19] <fabbione> the bug was introduced in .14 and fixed in .16 when davem and I found it on Niagara
[03:19] <fabbione> it's not critical, but nice to habe
[03:19] <fabbione> have
[03:21] <BenC> started the next dapper kernel changelog if you want to push it to me
[03:21] <fabbione> push what?
[03:21] <fabbione> i have nothing to push at the moment :)
[03:21] <fabbione> just some extra crack ;)
[03:21] <BenC> well, when you have something :)
[03:21] <fabbione> ehhe sure
[03:24] <zul> updating forcedth is probably cause us more problems
[12:35] <infinity> BenC: I've run out of pre-flight time to tend to LRM.  If you don't mind, I'd like to just do it in our hotel room on the first night there, then I can walk you through the uber-sketchy bits at the same time.
[12:59] <zul> hey
[01:17] <andi5> hi... although i was just told that nobody should use edgy, i tried the new kernel (2.6.17-1-686) and wondered why there is no support for prism2_usb which was available in dappers kernel (and before).... any particular reason for removing it? thanks in advance
[01:19] <zul> proabbly hasnt been enabled yet.
[01:22] <andi5> zul: can you tell me, as a user that likes stock ubuntu kernels but is able to compile a kernel himself, what to do? forget edgy kernels for xyz weeks or wait abc days? .... i just wished someone could tell me why my setup is unstable :(
[01:23] <zul> because you are running an edgy kernel on dapper and the edgy kernel is on high development...
[01:24] <andi5> not really, i am running dapper kernel on dapper and it is unstable
[01:24] <zul> anyways i have to go work..
[01:24] <andi5> kswapd0 goes crazy sometimes (up to 4 times per day).... 100% cpu usage, unkillable, forces me to restart computer.... ... damnit ;-) thanks nonetheless
[02:08] <KaiL_> gar.. a regression with 2.6.15-25:
[02:08] <KaiL_> network modules (eepro100 and ipw2100) get "lost" on suspend on Asus M2N
[02:09] <KaiL_> suspend is getting worse and worse on that Laptop :(
[02:10] <zul> please open a bug
[02:10] <KaiL_> on the way
[02:14] <fabbione> andi5: not everything has been ported to .17 yet..
[02:14] <fabbione> andi5: so if you are able to compile your kernels, you could also try to port it and provide a patch
[02:14] <fabbione> that would help too
[02:16] <andi5> fabbione: oh, i see.... will see what i can do... thanks!
[02:18] <KaiL_> ok, not the module, only ifconfig - https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/49984
[03:00] <zul> KaiL_: you need to add more detail in your bug report, ie what ethernet cards you have etc
[03:03] <KaiL_> *looking into /etc/network/interfaces* *wondering* PEBKAC? ;)
[03:03] <KaiL_> *trying something else*
[03:09] <KaiL_> ah, now I get, what's going on here
[03:09] <KaiL_> the -23 restores the network-state, the system had before suspend, the -25 the state after reboot
[03:10] <KaiL_> uhm.. or not
[09:49] <Symmetria> lo all
[09:49] <crimsun_> what's the config of said machines? 2-/4-/8-/16-+ way? how much RAM?
[09:49] <Symmetria> 4gigs of RAM
[09:49] <Symmetria> dual xeon cpu's at the moment
[09:50] <Symmetria> dual e1000 gigE nics
[09:50] <Symmetria> vlans configured on eth1
[09:50] <Symmetria> MTU on eth1 is 9000
[09:50] <Symmetria> (due to iSCSI)
[09:50] <Symmetria> MTU on eth0 is normal (1500)
[09:50] <Symmetria> server is running a rather busy webserver and an ftp server, as well as doing a lot of rsyncing
[09:51] <Symmetria> traffic through eth0 is relatively low (60 odd mbit?) traffic through eth1 regularly pushes 600+mbit
[09:52] <jbailey> BenC: Your daily snapshot with the new udev seems to generally work except for atheros wifi, which I suspect is lrm love.
[09:52] <jbailey> But the rest of it smells good.
[09:52] <crimsun_> Symmetria: and these symptoms appear with the latest 2.6.15-25.43 server kernel?
[09:53] <Symmetria> crimsun, running latest 2.6.16 straight off kernel.org
[09:53] <crimsun_> oh...
[09:53] <Symmetria> tried it under various distributions as well, but right now, asking everyone I can find who is into linux kernel development because so far *NO ONE* has been able to help me
[09:53] <crimsun_> erm, can't really help there. (I don't know the network code; you might want to ping BenC for that)
[09:53] <crimsun_> Symmetria: have you addressed your question to the netdev list?
[09:54] <jbailey> That type of mismatch to me sounds like IRQ fuckage.
[09:54] <Symmetria> crimsun where is the netdev list :) I will in about 3 minutes if you can point me to it
[09:54] <jbailey> (technical term)
[09:54] <jbailey> Make sure that there isn't any sharing going on.
[09:54] <Symmetria> http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg05485.html <[09:54] <Symmetria> but when I tried that patch, it didnt fix it
[09:54] <Symmetria> (though that patch is applied)
[09:55] <crimsun_> Symmetria: that is the netdev list :)
[09:55] <crimsun_> linux-netdev
[09:57] <Symmetria> crimsun_ heh, where do I find subscribe details for that list
[09:58] <crimsun_> Symmetria: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html
[09:59] <Symmetria> heh I just hope I find a fix fairly soon, about to put in another *MONSTER* system and am gonna be forced to go fbsd if I cant find a fix :(
[09:59] <crimsun_> Symmetria: these channels are fairly Ubuntu-specific, so unless the symptoms are reproducible in the kernels of the supported stable releases, I'm not sure what to tell ya
[09:59] <Symmetria> heh next system is gonna be insane
[09:59] <Symmetria> quad xeon dual core hyper threading per core with 16gigs of ram
[10:00] <Symmetria> (netflow stats processing is a bitch)
[10:00] <Symmetria> anyway thanks for the help
[10:01] <Symmetria> gonna go sort out some other things in the mean time, need to get my ubuntu cd mirror running (that box Im having a problem with btw, is www.mirror.ac.za)
[10:01] <Symmetria> which Im hoping will be an official ubuntu mirror soon :p
[10:08] <mdke> anyone got any idea how I can discover why my laptop doesn't resume from suspend under the -25 kernel?
[10:08] <mdke> (dapper)
[10:39] <alex_joni> hello, just got an update on dapper for 2.6.15-25 (is it very different from 23? I am running a custom kernel based on 23, would it make sense to redo it on 25?)
[10:42] <makx> alex_joni: custom kernels don't scale
[10:43] <alex_joni> makx: this is just the default kernel with a RTAI patch, and ACPI & APM turned off
[10:44] <makx> alex_joni : in doubt follow the git commits ;)
[10:45] <alex_joni> makx: no simple changelog somewhere? :)
[10:47] <crimsun_> alex_joni: the simple one is in git's debian/changelog
[10:47] <crimsun_> alex_joni: the more verbose one is also in git
[10:48] <alex_joni> crimsun_: thanks.. googling for it
[10:49] <crimsun_> alex_joni: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=summary
[10:49] <crimsun_> alex_joni: sorry, that's dev.


[04:13] <lotuspsychje> looking good the topic Fallen good job
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> Fallen: is there a category volunteers can see your meeting schedule to create an appointment with you?
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> welcome arraybolt3[m] o/
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i see we got the community link on !contribute factoid, but it seems the link directs towards the main discourse instead of https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/community
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> and/or add this channel to the factoid could be an idea too, what you guys think?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> !contribute
 To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[09:32] <Fallen> lotuspsychje: I think the best way for now is to reach out here in public first. If a conversation comes up where it might make sense to have a 1:1 conversation I can either move to DM with them, or send them my scheduling link for a video meeting.
[09:34] <Fallen> I think we can keep http://community.ubuntu.com/ pointing to the main discourse, the community forum link is pretty prominent from there. Eventually I'm looking to put something else at community.ubuntu.com but that will be a little further down the road.
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> great Fallen sounds good to me


[11:09] <xubuntu15w> hi people !
[11:10] <xubuntu15w> just repaired my xubuntu install, via the grub menu...
[11:10] <xubuntu15w> i'm getting this menu because of an old HDD with an install and now a new one on SSD
[11:11] <xubuntu15w> so i managed to repair stuff, but is there a key shortcut for accessing the "repair "?
[11:11] <xubuntu15w> ooops accessing Grub and choose repair
[15:33] <xubuntu70w> Hello,
[15:36] <xubuntu70w> I bought an universal laptop battery charger for my girlfriend's laptop, more specifically a Hama 90W 15 / 19 V. I've checked the voltage on her currently battery in the terminal and it displays 12.1V and the battery is showing as charging but always stays at 0%. Is the voltage of the charger too high?
[18:47] <Noboru55> diogenes_ hey, only came to say the seahorse worked and that configuration for new box..window... that stuff works very well too
[18:47] <Noboru55> diogenes_ thank you....
[18:48] <Noboru55> seahorse has a nice name too, someday u tell me to install something like alienspacemanager lol
[18:48] <diogenes_> Noboru55, you're welcome.
[18:48] <Noboru55> coffee time now
[18:49] <Noboru55> diogenes_ i dont like icons on desktop but i will do a donation.. i think its the correct word .. i will give this xubuntu to a children
[18:50] <Noboru55> so i am setting cartoons desktop wallpaper.. the icons get a little hard to see
[18:50] <Noboru55> maybe because the colours of wallpaper i guess
[18:50] <Noboru55> diogenes_ do you think can i configure it or.. better other wallpapers ?
[18:51] <diogenes_> you can get whatever themes and icons you like.
[18:51] <Noboru55> yes,, but to read the icons name.. its a little
[18:51] <Noboru55> hard
[18:51] <diogenes_> screenshot
[18:51] <Noboru55> where can i upload
[18:51] <diogenes_> use xfce4-screenshooter
[18:52] <diogenes_> it has imgur builtin.
[18:52] <Noboru55> ok
[18:53] <Noboru55> i need a user for zimage
[18:53] <Noboru55> wait
[18:53] <diogenes_> noooo
[18:53] <Noboru55> no?
[18:53] <Noboru55> so?
[18:53] <diogenes_> use imgur
[18:53] <Noboru55> ah ok
[18:53] <Noboru55> always i choose the wrong way
[18:53] <Noboru55> lol
[18:54] <Noboru55> liked it
[18:54] <Noboru55> diogenes_ http://i.imgur.com/HqRcjVs.png
[18:54] <Noboru55> that last icons
[18:55] <Noboru55> the trash..
[18:55] <diogenes_> ok wait i will look for an appropriate theme.
[18:55] <Noboru55> thank you
[19:11] <diogenes_> Noboru55, so would you prefer something like this: https://i.imgur.com/86fSL0h.png
[19:11] <diogenes_> or like this: https://i.imgur.com/TK35Flj.png
[19:12] <Noboru55> diogenes_ the first one, because i will give it to a children
[19:12] <Noboru55> so.. dark is ... i preffer dark.. but its not to me
[19:12] <diogenes_> Noboru55, here is the third version: https://i.imgur.com/pLzQm5g.png
[19:13] <diogenes_> so which one?
[19:13] <Noboru55> flatery
[19:13] <diogenes_> it's not only about icon set, it's about theme too.
[19:14] <diogenes_> the first uses adwaita+flatery
[19:14] <diogenes_> second adwaita-dark + flatery
[19:14] <diogenes_> third uses windows server + flatery
[19:14] <Noboru55> right
[19:14] <Noboru55> the first..
[19:15] <diogenes_> ok then here is where you find all flatery versions: https://www.xfce-look.org/s/XFCE/p/1332404
[19:15] <Noboru55> going to download...
[19:15] <diogenes_> click on FIles(8) tab
[19:16] <diogenes_> download all of them then open the Appearence dialog in xfce settings, go to Icons tab, drag and drop all the archives into the icons window and wait a few seconds, they will install  automatically.
[19:16] <Noboru55> diogenes_ the background is out of the letters
[19:17] <Noboru55> do i need to restart the x?
[19:17] <diogenes_> wwhat do you mean out of letters?
[19:17] <Noboru55> diogenes_ http://i.imgur.com/gpgS8Ff.png
[19:18] <Noboru55> the background will change after 10 minutes, that is the reason you see other now
[19:19] <diogenes_> hmm that's weird, first do this: ls $HOME/.themes | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:19] <diogenes_> share the link you gonna get interminal
[19:19] <Noboru55> ls $HOME/.themes | nc termbin.com 9999https://termbin.com/0jaja
[19:19] <Noboru55> ls $HOME/.themes | nc termbin.com 9999https://termbin.com/0jaja
[19:20] <diogenes_> now run: ls $HOME/.icons | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:20] <Noboru55> https://termbin.com/c2jg
[19:21] <diogenes_> ok now run: gtk-update-icon-cache $HOME/.icons/Flatery
[19:22] <diogenes_> and see if it creates the cahe successfully
[19:22] <diogenes_> cache*
[19:22] <Noboru55> gtk-update-icon-cache: Cache file created successfully.
[19:23] <diogenes_> ok now try to switch to another icon set and then back to flattery, if doesn't fix then re-log.
[19:23] <Noboru55>  ok
[19:23] <Noboru55> re-log
[19:25] <Noboru55> diogenes_ http://i.imgur.com/qqOaN5K.png
[19:26] <diogenes_> so i guess all is well?
[19:26] <Noboru55> worked.. because of you we will do a girl happy
[19:26] <Noboru55> ^^ thank you very much
[19:26] <Noboru55> and i will miss my xubuntu
[19:26] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[19:26] <Noboru55> maybe going to get a mac.. not sure
[19:27] <Noboru55> i really like this flatery.. beautiful
[19:27] <diogenes_> indeed it's nice.
[19:27] <Noboru55> diogenes_ i am late for coffe.. my wife is waiting.. thanks again!
[19:28] <diogenes_> no problem.
[19:28] <Noboru55> anyway i will use this xubuntu till 7 january when i will give the laptop, maybe i back
[19:28] <Noboru55> see u
[19:28] <diogenes_> you talk like if it's the last laptop on earth :)
[19:46] <az> Hi, I still get the message of a problem that I've report a startup, then it just goes when I press report, no detail whatsoever. it's just like it was not enough that I had a problem already :|
[19:47] <az> I remember searching about that without satisfying results
[19:50] <diogenes_> az, i'd start the troubleshooting process by creating a new test user and loging in az that new user.
[20:13] <az> diogenes_, yeah, the new user doesn't have the issue
[20:13] <az> what next?
[20:17] <diogenes_> az, if the new user is ok, then the isuue lies in .cache and .config
[20:42] <az> any hope to get which was the cause of the error?
[20:45] <diogenes_> az, ls $HOME/.cache/session and ls $HOME/.config/autostart
[20:45] <diogenes_> of the affected user of course.
[20:47] <az> ok, I've many files named  xfwm4-2ca803213-490f-4b90-97ee-adfed5c49715.state in session and two files in autostart
[20:48] <diogenes_> rm $HOME/.cache/session/*
[20:48] <diogenes_> see if that fixes.
[20:51] <az> thanks, I'll try that


[05:35] <msbrogli> Hi! I found a bug in exim4 4.87-3ubuntu1, and I already have the patch to fix it. But I’ve read the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I still cannot branch the source package. Would anyone help me? The URL of the package is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/exim4
[05:36] <msbrogli> I’ve tried `bzr lp:exim`, but it gets the wrong package. When I try `bzr lp:yakkety/exim`, it says invalid url supplied to transport.
[06:20] <msbrogli> Anyone?


[02:04] <John[Lisbeth]> aloha
[02:05] <John[Lisbeth]> I am in xubuntu and I have accidentally deleted my volume applet and I can't for the life of me figure out where to get the applet back
[02:06] <John[Lisbeth]> NVm it was hidden inside the applet "unity indicators" which I tried to get rid of because I didn't want the mail icon
[02:11] <brkkyk> hey everyone
[04:16] <Unit193> david__: Howdy.  Did you by chance see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Xubuntu-contacts?
[04:19] <david__> Hi Unit193, wish to contact the community in re: the permission of the use of xubuntu wordmark and trademark (logo/s) for use for YouTube videos/commercials, print ads, and stickers. I was escorted here to contact the community on this matter by Canonical legal. (And yes, I subscribed in the xubuntu devel mailing list).
[04:20] <david__> The email said something like this: "With respect to XUBUNTU, you will need to contact the Xubuntu community directly to discuss your proposed use.  You can find their contact details on the following website: https://xubuntu.org/"
[04:21] <Unit193> The list I linked to is the "Contacts" list, which the website admin and project leads are on.  Right, I saw your message earlier.
[04:21] <david__> ah okay in the contacts list
[04:21] <david__> I subscribed to xubuntu devel mailing list
[04:22] <david__> is this the right one?
[04:22] <david__> the other one referred to user support
[04:23] <Unit193> For your specific request, the contacts list seems the most appropriate.  For most stuff that's not support, the development list which you subscribed to is accurate.
[04:25] <david__> Sent my mail to the development mailing list. (sent the request via email: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com).
[04:26] <david__> Thanks!
[04:26] <david__> As for the contacts list
[04:26] <david__> not sure on this. Is this the one? "Xubuntu-contacts Private Archives Authentication"
[04:27] <Unit193> Well, you already sent to -devel, so that'll do.  No need to send to both.
[04:28] <david__> ah thanks!
[04:28] <david__> I was about to send this same message to the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>supposedly
[04:28] <david__> but thanks!
[13:52] <Denwer> Hellocan i use scaner in xubuntu?
[13:53] <Denwer> my model is hp scanjet 2400
[13:56] <drc> Denwer: Yes, once can use scanners with Xubuntu. I'd start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Scanners
[14:34] <ivan_> hi guys, i am running the installer as we speak but it already lets me talk to you guy
[14:36] <ivan_> i am still quite uncertain about this whole nvidea problem. I managed to install with acpi=off, nolapic and nomodset but dont know how this will further develop. Is there a way to fix it? Or is booting this way everytime fine?
[14:37] <ivan_> Furthermore i am not able to change my resolution to the optimized setting directly. How to do this manually?
[16:00] <sugardrunk> hello, when connecting to a server/shell which has a screen open via ssh from a local sreen sesison... how do I for example, detach or create a screen tab on the remote side?
[16:00] <sugardrunk> more like common linux question, but using xubuntu and xfce4-terminal 0.6.3
[16:06] <tyrog> Hey everyone. Is anyone using this PPA? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-gtk3?field.series_filter=zesty - How stable are the GTK3 packages from that PPA? Thanks
[16:06] <tyrog> And what is the current development status of Xfce port to GTK3?
[16:12] <flocculant> well I would tell you but ...
[21:04] <monad> Ahhh, could anyone help me get WiFi working on my Dell Latitude E5420? Uses a Dell Wireless 1501 mini-card (have Win7 drivers, if that helps). I also have a USB WiFi dongle with another common Broadcom chip. My issue is that NDISwrapper & associated WiFi drivers don't seem to work on the new kernel. ?
[21:06] <monad> (I'm currently on Ethernet. I've been trying some steps I found on the Ubuntu forums, but thus far, everything fails with kernel incompatibility messages. I can't even get ndiswrapper to install without errors.)
[21:09] <monad> Am I SOL? I feel like I'm asking a question which surely has already been answered, but I have yet to find any solution. Most people just seem to be using Ethernet or rolling back to the earlier kernel... Are those the only options? Thanks in advance for any help.
[21:16] <ProphetZarquon> changed nick
[21:16] <ProphetZarquon> Welcome Zhongtiaol
[21:18] <Zhongtiao1> I installed a clean copy of 17.04 today from 14.04 and now my wireless usb adapter will not connect. it shows networks, but it will not connect to any. The chip is a realtek 8192cu and the adapter is the Netis wf2123
[21:19] <Zhongtiao1> does anyone have any ideas as to why?
[21:19] <Zhongtiao1> or fixes?
[21:20] <ProphetZarquon> I can't get my WiFi to work at all. I even tried plugging in a USB WiFi dongle with a very common Realtek chip & that doesn't work either.
[21:21] <ProphetZarquon> So far as I've been able to determine, kernel for 14.04.4 doesn't work with WiFi yet.
[21:21] <Zhongtiao1> but it recognizes networks
[21:23] <ProphetZarquon> Mine doesn't. There seem to be some driver issues with the new kernel (not just WiFi either).
[21:23] <Zhongtiao1> darn. okay :(
[21:24] <ProphetZarquon> These pages seemed related to the issue.  I'm quite confident your issue is also related to the same issue of the drivers not being compatible with the new kernel (or vice versa, actually).
[21:24] <ProphetZarquon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/1514243
[21:24] <ProphetZarquon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/b43-fwcutter/+bug/1391407
[21:24] <ProphetZarquon> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2315366&p=13448109#post13448109
[21:25] <ProphetZarquon> That last one says Solved, but the solution failed for me: Wouldn't compile.
[21:26] <ProphetZarquon> I'm going to try a whole other distro at this point. I'm sick of Ubuntu-descended issues after every update.


[02:54] <nhaines> Daphne's for dinner!
[02:55] <Adran> nhaines: didnt that go bust?
[02:55] <nhaines> Nope!
[17:56] <MichaelPaoli> BerkeleyLUG meeting soon - http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=67 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/berkeleylug/IjGjkQ2b_xE
[17:56] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Meetings]
[17:56] <darthrobot> Title: [Google Groups]
[22:26] <nhaines> pleia2: I'm going to see if OCLUG wants pizza for their 10am-2pm installfest, and then I'm going to see if I can get someone else to pay for it (leadership! \o/).  Any light you can shine on the reimbursement request procedure would be helpful. :)
[22:27] <rww> pleia2, jose: and on a related note, I see the community donations page says it releases reports every six months. Any idea where I could find those? Google isn't being helpful.
[22:37] <nhaines> rww: the funding page *clearly* says at the bottom: If you have any further questions, please email Michelle Surtees-Myers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>here.  :P
[22:38] <nhaines> But yeah, it would be nice to see the reports.
[22:38] <rww> yeah, but canonical people are scary or something idk
[22:38] <rww> and yeah, I'm curious how much money they get out of the donations page, both because it's interesting and because i'm considering throwing money at them because i like the description/limitations they mention
[22:39] <nhaines> rww: cut out the middle man and buy me pizza!  \o/
[22:39] <rww> hehehe
[22:40] <nhaines> If I get the job I'm interviewing for, I'll likely throw money at them too (but because my experience will have gotten me the job :P).
[22:40] <rww> I *suspect* that the more community people throw money in that pot the more happy Canonical would be to throw money in that pot, so...
[22:40] <nhaines> I *suspect* Canonical doesn't throw money in that pot.
[22:40] <nhaines> But who knows?  :)
[22:41] <rww> hopefully we will, when we find the report!
[22:41] <nhaines> \o/
[23:12] <nhaines> My Ubuntu DVD pack got released from US Customs!  \o/
[23:24] <jose> rww: a report hasn't been released yet
[23:24] <jose> I am expecting one to be released for this cycle


[12:14] <flocculant> cyphermox: thanks - works in Xubuntu :D
[13:02] <cyphermox> flocculant: great
[16:49] <flocculant> balloons: not going to get time today to look at anyone else's images, but assume that with the fix they should be good
[17:21] <balloons> flocculant, ack ty for confirming


[02:33] <morpheuspr> anyone willing to help me. i just did a fresh install on a desktop and i get a "analog out of range error"  doesnt even let me get into the grub or make any changes
[02:33] <holstein> morpheuspr: you have another monitor? or is this a laptop?
[02:34] <holstein> ive never seen that error on a laptop though
[02:34] <morpheuspr> holstein: its on a desktop, tried with two diferent monitors so far
[02:34] <holstein> morpheuspr: i have always been able to fix with another monitor temporarily
[02:34] <holstein> did you get ssh running on it?
[02:35] <morpheuspr> holstein: tried with both crt and lcd monitors
[02:35] <holstein> morpheuspr: well, that has been the issue when i have seen that error.. what was the desktop like live?
[02:35] <morpheuspr> holstein: runnign fine
[02:35] <morpheuspr> *running
[02:35] <morpheuspr> holstein: thats why i was like WTf
[02:35] <holstein> interesting... you could try putting an xorg.conf in place i suppose
[02:36] <morpheuspr> holstein: how i cant even see grub or anything
[02:36] <holstein> sometimes i grab them from knoppix live CD's
[02:36] <holstein> morpheuspr: right.. i suggesting from a live CD, you put a xorg.conf in place that you know (from the live CD) works with all your hardware
[02:38] <morpheuspr> holstein: let me try
[02:40] <morpheuspr> holstein: i dont really see a xorg.conf on the liveCD, i do see one on the main HD
[02:42] <holstein> morpheuspr: right.. thats why i use knoppix live CD typically in that situation.. you can generate one, or google for one, or use something like knoppix or puppy linx
[02:43] <morpheuspr> holstein: couldnt i mount to my main HD from live CD and do a xorg config?
[02:44] <holstein> morpheuspr: do what it takes.. its an experiment at this point that the xorg.conf will work... so dont lose any sleep over it.. im just thinking you can force a resolution that one of your montiors will support, or the graphics card
[02:45] <morpheuspr> but would the GPU driver make a diference at grub but up?
[02:45] <morpheuspr> i understand right b4 starting X but at boot up?
[02:46] <holstein> morpheuspr: sure.. and thats a place where you can force vesa or whatever, but i would expect the same performance as you had on the LIVE CD
[03:01] <morpheuspr> holstein: forcing vesa and see what happens
[03:03] <morpheuspr> holstein: alright i dont get it. nothing happens.  Its right at boot up so i dont understand
[03:03] <holstein> morpheuspr: its going to be more about forcing a resolution that works, not the driver (assuming its what i have run into before)
[03:04] <morpheuspr> holstein: how do i do that if i cant even edit grub cause it doesnt even show up it happens b4
[03:06] <morpheuspr> holstein: its doing a refresh rate of 96HZ.. i dont get it
[03:07] <holstein> morpheuspr: you just add a custom xorg.conf with that informatino in it
[03:07] <holstein> thats why i keep puppy and knoppix around
[03:09] <morpheuspr> holstein: if i get knoppix... what can i do with it ? would i be able to do it with a copy of arch?
[03:10] <holstein> morpheuspr: anything that runs live, or otherwise, and give you both a functional system, and an xorg.conf you can borrow
[03:10] <holstein> i just grab the file right from the live instance.. and it usually sorts out the issue
[03:11] <holstein> anyways... good luck.. gotta run
[03:12] <morpheuspr> ok thanks
[10:28] <g00se> My windows got borked - decoration have disappeared completely. When i open 'Window Manager' to cofig, it's empty. What gives?
[10:34] <g00se> nm - i did xfwm4 --replace and that worked
[10:49] <g00se> Recently had X trouble - window decorations disappeared, etc. But now antialiasing needs to be restored. I've tried to tweak manually but not as good as (default) original. How do i restore defaults?
[10:53] <xubuntu074> hi all
[10:55] <xubuntu074> can someone help me?
[10:55] <xubuntu074> или из русскоговорящих есть тут кто?
[10:57] <g00se> !ru
[11:52] <fclt> gmorning
[11:53] <fclt> what's the alternative to flash plugin?
[12:13] <merpati> hi
[12:13] <merpati> is anyone here ?
[12:15] <merpati> hello ?
[12:16] <merpati> i want to ask something ..
[12:18] <mongy> hello
[12:18] <mongy> fclt, what's wrong with flash ?
[12:38] <knome> mongy, it's propietary technology.
[12:46] <mongy> knome, yeah, but it works, at least for me.  those other free alternatives are plain horrible
[12:47] <knome> mongy, works for me too here and there, but you asked what's wrong with it ;)
[12:47] <mongy> :)
[12:59] <fclt> hello
[12:59] <fclt> installed a package yesterday
[12:59] <fclt> and I was going to try it
[12:59] <fclt> but I can't run it  from the menu entries
[12:59] <fclt> neither from terminal
[12:59] <fclt> can anyone give me a clue on where's the problem?
[13:00] <fclt> thanks :)
[13:01] <mongy> fclt, what package
[13:01] <fclt> pd-extended
[13:01] <fclt> from here
[13:01] <fclt> http://nosoco.notsocomplicated.org/builds/
[13:04] <mongy> what does it do
[13:04] <mongy> having trouble downloading it...
[13:11] <fclt> mongy, it's puredata plus a bunch of libraries
[13:11] <mongy> run it from terminal?
[13:12] <mongy> locate puredata
[13:12] <fclt> mongy, Pd (aka Pure Data) is a real-time graphical programming environment for audio, video, and graphical processing. It is the third major branch of the family of patcher programming languages known as Max (Max/FTS, ISPW Max, Max/MSP, jMax, etc.) originally developed by Miller Puckette and company at IRCAM. The core of Pd is written and maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole package very much
[13:12] <fclt> a community effort.
[13:12] <fclt> fclt@fclt-lptp:~$ locate puredata
[13:12] <fclt> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/puredata-core:puredata.desktop
[13:12] <fclt> /usr/share/app-install/icons/puredata.png
[13:12] <fclt> fclt@fclt-lptp:~$
[13:12] <fclt> :s
[13:13] <fclt> I guess I removed it
[13:13] <fclt> just a sec.
[13:17] <fclt> mongy, http://pastebin.com/ufVDS2z1
[13:17] <fclt> brb tkx :)
[13:18] <mongy> fclt, 'wish' not installed.
[13:19] <mongy> not sure really.  try an older version, maybe new one is bust
[14:41] <gci81> Hi, I can't find a way to connect to choose the pulseaudio output device with the built-in sound applet. Is there a recommended way/package to do it?
[15:20] <vrtsvetlosti> I have for a year now used Linux and found that xubuntu works best for my netbook and ubuntu for the laptop. Xubuntu I have customized just the way I want it except these things: My fan is working the same pace all the time. An external hard drive never spins down at all, even when unmounted. So basicly this are energy issues and noise. I have tried to mark the "spin down the hard drive" in power manegment options, but it won't w
[15:20] <vrtsvetlosti> ork and the box is unmarked as though I'm not allowed to choose that option.  Any help is thankful =)
[15:22] <alix_> Hello, maybe someone can help me.
[15:22] <alix_> I try to have a dual boot with win7/ubuntu but when I try to boot on win7 i have "Invalide signature". I tryed boot repair but no success.. here is a report http://paste.ubuntu.com/820114/
[15:26] <Myrtti> vrtsvetlosti: you've checked that powerstepping is enabled in your BIOS?
[15:27] <vrtsvetlosti> I'm a begginner still, havn't touched anything called BIOS tey :s
[15:27] <vrtsvetlosti> So i don't know, don't think so.
[15:28] <mongy> vrtsvetlosti, what video adapter do you have?
[15:29] <vrtsvetlosti> Don't know that either, any command line to check?
[15:31] <mongy> lspci | grep VGA
[15:31] <vrtsvetlosti> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[15:32] <mongy> ok, nevermind
[15:39] <vrtsvetlosti> just want to spin down the fan, hard drive
[15:39] <vrtsvetlosti> when idle
[15:45] <vrtsvetlosti> In BIOS will the CPUID (something) being enabled make change so hard disk can spin down?
[15:47] <mongy> power management should really handle it all.  le sigh.
[15:48] <vrtsvetlosti> I know, but the box won't be marked, you see when I mark "spin down..." it makes no change, when I enter the power management again it is unmarked. Wierd
[15:49] <vrtsvetlosti> xfce P M
[15:50] <mongy> are you upto date?
[15:51] <vrtsvetlosti> Yes. I have looked around on the internet for clues, also in synaptic for spin downs. But I just can't do it. From my basic knowlegde it seems as some kind of bug. I have a Eee PC asus.
[15:53] <vrtsvetlosti> I have seen some people doing manual things in command and rewriting fan rotation or something. Too advanced for me..
[17:31] <vrtsvetlosti> I asked for help on making the hard drive spin down. Since Power Manager is bugged and wont leave the check box marked for "enable spin down...". I now found laptop tools, from synaptic. By editing /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf I will see if there is result. Any other suggestions are welcome.
[17:33] <mrdoctorwho> Hello. Can i ask about xubuntu translations here?
[17:39] <vrtsvetlosti> No, laptop tools was no solution, you can't start up from sleep on battery... bad bad
[17:42] <vrtsvetlosti> =)
[18:19] <crivera> hey guys, how do i but xubuntu without any x server?
[18:19] <crivera> i need to run it in a vim and don't need any desktop env
[18:19] <crivera> s/vim/vm
[18:20] <holstein> crivera: i would just install ubuntu server
[18:20] <holstein> you can just remove the desktop
[18:20] <crivera> hrmm, what's the best of way of toggling between x and no x
[18:20] <holstein> tty's
[18:21] <holstein> the graphical one you are in... thats 7
[18:21] <holstein> SO, to get back to where you are now.. control+alt+7
[18:21] <holstein> to get to another.. control+alt+1 for example
[18:22] <holstein> no reason *not* to just us an emulator... xfce-terminal or whatever
[18:22] <crivera> ah okay
[18:23] <TVasEyes> holstein: from a console, to get back to vt7, alt+f7 will do.   crivera:  when you're on a console, try sudo telinit 3 to switch runlevel (and stop x).
[18:24] <holstein> sure... i suppose thats arguably more clear... to leave the current X session, control+alt+whatever #... 1-6 for example
[18:25] <holstein> if you would like, you can omit the "control" to switch then.. or return to tty7
[18:40] <TVasEyes> holstein: 'arguably more clear' yeah, English isn't my first language and my social skills aren't all too hot either ;).  what I meant is: Alt+Fn is the way to switch tty's, Ctrl+Alt+Fn (as you say) to switch from X.
[18:42] <holstein> TVasEyes: :) ... thanks for clarifying... i like learning new things!
[18:44] <TVasEyes> holstein: Ctrl+Alt+Fn will also work if you run more than one X server concurrently.
[18:50] <ressl> hi, anyone out there, who wants to help me with a problem with WLAN / Network-Manager?
[19:15] <ressl> hm, I hoped, my seach which took days might end here, but obviously it won't. Thanks anyway
[19:16] <knome> !ask | ressl
[19:20] <ressl> OK, then I'll gibe it a try: my system has a working lan connection but no wlan and I'm not able to configure them in the network-manager. It says: Error displaying connection information: No valid active connections found! ifconfig, iwconfig give out everything ok, the settings in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf semm ok for me, too
[19:21] <knome> you should have "auto" in the config files if you want to let NM control the interface
[19:22] <ressl> so I should change managed=true to managed=auto?
[19:23] <knome> mm, no, in the interfaces file
[19:23] <knome> haven't touched those in a while so i'm not exactly sure what is in which file ;)
[19:25] <ressl> auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp is in /etc/network/interfaces and I added auto wlan0 | iface wlan0 inet dhcp -> no success
[19:25] <knome> hmmh
[19:26] <syddraf> I'm using XFCE with a Microsoft wireless keyboard and it is not recognizing the special keys, like volume control. Is there a way to fix this?
[19:38] <baizon> syddraf: yes
[20:07] <Shirakawasuna> Using thunderbird and gmail accounts, the 'new mail' indicator often remains on even after I've read all new emails. When I click it, it still indicates '1 unread', etc. Does anyone else have this issue (running oneiric)?
[20:51] <mongy> don't use TB, sorry.   Gmail and mail checker minus extension are all I need.
[21:44] <Shirakawasuna> can you easily handle multiple accounts that way, mongy? I have 3 and get tired of using the 'switch accounts' process just to read a few messages
[21:44] <mongy> let me see if it can.. not that I have more than 1
[21:45] <mongy> there is an option page for adding accounts.
[21:46] <mongy> give it a try
[21:53] <Shirakawasuna> cool
[22:20] <metasansana> whats the default tool for checking log files on xubuntu?
[22:22] <GridCube> metasansana, any text reader?
[22:22] <GridCube> leafpad?
[22:23] <multipass|2> nano?
[22:23] <multipass|2> i just install gedit
[22:24] <metasansana> :/
[22:24] <mongy> leafpad is ok
[22:24] <metasansana> xfce doesn't have a log file viewer equivalent
[22:24] <metasansana> ?
[22:25] <GridCube> i dont know what you mean by log file viewer
[22:25] <GridCube> log files are text files
[22:25] <GridCube> that keep logs
[22:25] <mongy> leafpad, open file, /var/log/take your pick
[22:25] <metasansana> on the gnome desktop you get an app called log file viewer
[22:25] <GridCube> any text file reader will view the logs
[22:25] <GridCube> O_o they do? why for?
[22:25] <metasansana> it helps
[22:26] <jandrusk> Use Vi.
[22:26] <mongy> metasansana, I know what you mean.  a handy shortcut to each log basically.
[22:26] <GridCube> then you probably shouyld install it
[22:26] <metasansana> it refreshes and bolds new entries as they come up
[22:27] <metasansana> I did but I want to cut back on the gnome apps packages I have
[22:27] <GridCube> metasansana, i don't know of any program that do what you just said sorry
[22:27] <mongy> metasansana, tailf /var/log/something.log
[22:28] <GridCube> ^^ that should work
[22:28] <metasansana> lol
[22:28] <mongy> like tail -f but, in tailf
[22:28] <mongy> :)
[22:29] <metasansana> jandrusk can I make vi refresh the file that is open?
[22:29] <metasansana> thanks mongy
[22:29] <mongy> tailf will show you modifications
[22:29] <metasansana> oh ok
[22:30] <mongy> ctrl c to quit
[22:31] <metasansana> well i guess this will do
[22:31] <metasansana> banshee keeps crashing
[22:32] <metasansana> I recently updated the machine
[22:34] <jandrusk> metasansana: Yes, use :set autoread
[22:36] <jandrusk> you would need to use vim and not the default vi.
[22:38] <metasansana> vim isn't really my kind of editor lol
[22:42] <jandrusk> lol
[22:42] <jandrusk> use Emacs
[22:43] <metasansana> kids stuff
[22:44] <metasansana> I use focused energy beams to flip the bits on my hard drive.
[23:21] <blackarchan> how can i make that .php .html .css .xml to be oppened with Geany???
[23:22] <GridCube> right clic > open with > more >remember this application
[23:23] <mongy> metasansana, emacs, really
[23:23] <blackarchan> GridCube: so i need to make this to all extensions for all the programs
[23:23] <GridCube> i will gess so, unless geany has a tool too, or unless you wanna try experimental software from xfce
[23:24] <blackarchan> cant i make a scripts that tels xubuntu what extensions to be oppened with what program and what with what program?
[23:24] <Yomi> If I restore my iPhone…or just backup my music and then put it back on my iPhone using banshee, could it stop the issues I've been having previously? The issues are Duplicated&Reverting Playlists.
[23:25] <GridCube> blackarchan, as said, xfce has an experimental program that do so, but its thinked to work with xfce 4.10
[23:25] <blackarchan> GridCube whats the name of t hat program?
[23:25] <GridCube> wait a second please
[23:26] <blackarchan> Yomi: its possible not to work, because it is is possible that you actualy have duplicated playlists so when you backup you gonna backup the duplicated to
[23:28] <Yomi> Ah. I just don't get why it keeps doing it though, that along with the reverting to the previous songs on the playlist instead of the newer ones.
[23:28] <blackarchan> Yomi: try backup all the data
[23:29] <blackarchan> and maybe give a format:D
[23:30] <GridCube> blackarchan, http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2012-January/029529.html
[23:31] <Yomi> Well I suppose it can't get any worse. Backup and restoring can't be too much of an issue, especially with an iPhone.
[23:31] <GridCube> dunno
[23:32] <GridCube> never even seen one in real life so :/
[23:32] <blackarchan> Yomi: more bad things cant happen
[23:32] <blackarchan> GridCube: tnx
[23:33] <GridCube> blackarchan, it seems that the MIME type editor has been merged to the xfce4-settings, but i don't know how you can get that to work with the current xubuntu xfce 4.8
[23:34] <GridCube> because its different, the best option you have now its to do it manually
[23:34] <blackarchan> GridCube: i have two options complie the new xfce that has mime editor or install it by myself: http://roscidus.com/desktop/node/136
[23:34] <blackarchan> Link for the actual software
[23:35] <GridCube> else you will have to install experimental software and we can't really help you because you wont be using the oficial stuff.
[23:35] <Yomi> Oh, how can I stop nautilus from launching when I login to xubuntu ? …it starts up and turns the whole screen blue, then I have to kill it using the taskmanager, everytime I log in.
[23:35] <GridCube> blackarchan, if you are willing to take the risk this is it: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/
[23:35] <GridCube> uninstall it Yomi
[23:35] <GridCube> sudo apt-get purge nautilus
[23:36] <blackarchan> GridCube: come onn whats the worst thing that can happen:)) just a reinstal
[23:36] <GridCube> :P
[23:36] <GridCube> well, i don't know im just warning you
[23:37] <blackarchan> tnx for the warning if i install it im gonna give the news from the new version
[23:37] <GridCube> if something does go wrong then you can't come here and say "hey GridCube told me to do this and now x happens" :P
[23:37] <blackarchan> im gonna test it in a virtualbox
[23:37] <GridCube> :) that does sound like a good idea
[23:49] <blackarchan> i heard that thers a way to make some apps(eg. Pidgin/Firefox/) to be uplouded somehow on ram..so that they start and run faster how??and its a good solution?
[23:51] <GridCube> never heard of that, but i would guess that it is, today having 8gb of ram is rather usual so
[23:51] <blackarchan> its somthing like puppy linux if you know
[23:52] <GridCube> !ot | blackarchan, wont you matter to take this to offtopic?
[23:53] <blackarchan> ubottu tnx for the devel chanel:D and sorry for the offtopic
[23:54] <Yomi> I can't remove nautilus though, i need it for the iDevice Commands.


[07:31] <satyakaki> hi
[07:34] <Noskcaj> hey satyakaki
[07:35] <satyakaki> hey
[07:35] <satyakaki> can u help in connecting cdma dongle in ubuntu
[23:25] <compukid> Hi, could I have some help with a bug?


[05:01] <arraybolt3> Apparently there's a Secure Boot bypassing malware out that doesn't rely on the target system being unpatched. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/blacklotus-bootkit-bypasses-uefi-secure-boot-on-patched-windows-11/
[05:02] <arraybolt3> The article above describes how the malware (BlackLotus) is able to infect Windows systems, however the mechanism they're using could just as easily be used against Ubuntu.
[05:02] <arraybolt3> Perhaps the vulnerable version of bootmgfw.efi used by BlackLotus could be blacklisted via SBAT?
[05:02] <arraybolt3> That would immunize Ubuntu systems against it.
[05:38] <amurray> arraybolt3: bootmgfw.efi is part of the windows bootloader - so I am not sure it is relevant / able to undermine an Ubuntu system (or any other Linux system)
[05:42] <arraybolt3> amurray: The problem is that the version of bootmgfw being used isn't part of Windows anymore. It's being used in BlackLotus separately and is shipped as part of the malware itself.
[05:42] <arraybolt3> Rather than thinking of it as a Windows component, think of it as a binary blob that system firmware happens to trust that can also be exploited.
[05:43] <arraybolt3> They've basically stolen an insecure part of Windows and are using it as a tool separately from Windows. That tool doesn't require Windows to run, and the job it does would undermine Ubuntu equally well.
[05:47] <arraybolt3> (More detailed explanation - say the Linux version of the BlackLotus installer runs on an Ubuntu system as root. It then copies a vulnerable bootmgfw.efi to /boot/efi, along with the payload, then reboots the system. The system boots the bootmgfw.efi file that BlackLotus loaded on, because it trusts bootmgfw.efi. The vulnerable bootmgfw then boots the BlackLotus MOK loader, which does its thing and reboots the system. Then shimx64.
[05:47] <arraybolt3> efi is loaded, it boots BlackLotus's grubx64.efi because the MOK makes it trusted, and then things go downhill from there.)
[05:53] <arraybolt3> The key part of all this is that the bootmgfw.efi file is introduced *by BlackLotus* - it doesn't even have to exist on the target system at install time.
[06:02] <amurray> arraybolt3: right, the real issue though is that microsoft have not revoked this vulnerable bootmgfw.efi - they could do this via a DBX update - but they have not chosen to do so, and so this vulnerable binary is still trusted
[06:03] <arraybolt3> True. I guess they'll hopefully do that pretty quickly now that this is a thing.
[06:04] <amurray> also wouldn't bootmgfw.efi need to have a global generation number encoded into it for it be able to be listed in sbat?
[06:04] <arraybolt3> Ugh. Yeah, probably. I didn't think about that.
[06:05] <arraybolt3> Right, because the binary itself has to have a .sbat section for that to work.
[06:05] <arraybolt3> Well so much for that idea :P
[17:06] <bancroft> thank you sarnold


[10:50] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[21:08]  * brobostigon spots markjones onthe sheflug ML. :)
[21:09] <markjones> aye
[21:09] <brobostigon> markjones: i started to subscribe when i lived there, and never got rid of.
[21:09] <markjones> hehe
[21:10] <brobostigon> :)
[21:11] <brobostigon> markjones: sorry,but nothing i can do fromhere. but there are some good guys up there, inclusing onchap, iused to work with.
[21:11] <brobostigon> one chap*
[21:22] <markjones> it's a dead PSU
[21:22] <brobostigon> :(
[22:41] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.


[14:38] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +11291 cases (now 1.2 million), +228 deaths (now 19274) since 21 hours ago


[13:50] <smoser> powersj, so obviously my general inability to keep up with things is the cause of the problem.
[13:50] <smoser> but https://code.launchpad.net/~syed1/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/322024
[13:51] <smoser> links to a bunch of failures that dont exist
[13:51] <smoser> anything we could do about that ?
[13:51] <powersj> Looking
[13:52] <powersj> 1. Easiest is to trigger a rebuild or 2. I can up the amount of runs we keep even higher. That doesn't guarantee this won't happen again though.
[13:52] <smoser> even the rebuild button doesnt work :)
[13:52] <powersj> O.o
[13:53] <smoser> cause it points to the same build
[13:53] <smoser> which had the context of which branch was built and such
[13:54] <powersj> hmmm
[13:58] <powersj> increasing the number of jobs we keep may not even help without increasing it greatly. With 25 we only have 10 days worth
[13:58] <powersj> I did manually kick a job off though
[14:02] <smoser> its kind of pointless though really. i wonder we could reasonably post at least the failure portion of it to the log
[14:17] <powersj> yeah
[14:33] <smoser> blackboxsw, you were looking for a bitesize bug
[14:33] <smoser> i dont have a bug (you can open one)
[14:33] <smoser>  we use yaml
[14:33] <smoser> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27743711/can-i-speedup-yaml
[14:33] <smoser> we dont use it extensively, and its even possible that loading the c code could have overhead for the small bits of yaml that we load...
[14:33] <smoser> but i've wanted to look at that
[14:33] <smoser> that make sense ?
[14:34] <blackboxsw> smoser, sure reading that now.
[14:36] <blackboxsw> yeah that makes sense
[14:36] <blackboxsw> ok will file a bug about it as I test out whether there is a good performance imact.
[14:36] <blackboxsw> *impact
[14:57] <smoser> bug 1
[17:48] <rharper> smoser: is there such a think as a daily-ppa but for fedora/centos cloud-init rpms ?
[17:49] <rharper> larsks: ^^
[17:49] <smoser> https://build.opensuse.org/ is the closest thing that i'm aware of
[17:51] <rharper> maybe a lxd centos/fedora container calling build-rpm ?
[17:52] <powersj> https://gist.github.com/smoser/19e65095b342e98fd4d6466e4d4fa1ac
[17:52] <powersj> I've been using that locally to prototype running unittests and build tests for centos
[17:52] <powersj> I think I made only a few slight changes
[17:53] <rharper> powersj: nice!
[17:55] <smoser> rharper, but honestly.. the suse build service migth be useful.
[17:55] <smoser> i think it is basically the equivalent of ppas
[17:55] <smoser> so we could have daily builds for rpm
[17:55] <smoser> that anyone could easily use
[17:55] <rharper> for fedora/centos  ?
[17:55] <rharper> I assumed it was suse specific
[17:55] <powersj> open build service does other distros
[17:57] <rharper> cool
[19:49] <smoser> rharper, all the touches to datasources/*.rst there...
[19:49] <smoser> those just make targets for links ?
[20:04] <rharper> smoser: I think so, I might need more context
[20:05] <rharper> smoser: ah those touches were for anchors
[20:05] <rharper> you're talking about the netconfig update
[20:05] <rharper> you have to put a header in those files to allow link refs to work
[20:06] <rharper> smoser: in particular, I wanted to document which network config was supported in which datasources
[20:06] <rharper> and in the network doc link to that datasource documentation page
[20:07] <rharper> since I was in the few that support network config; I wanted to touch all of them in case someone else wanted to use the refs later on
[20:10] <smoser> rharper, yeah, i paste failed.
[20:10] <smoser> meant to include link
[20:17] <rharper> no worries, does the above make sense?
[20:23] <smoser> yeah,  that sfine
[20:47]  * smoser is out
[20:47] <smoser> rharper, i commented on your mp
[20:47] <smoser> it does look really good  thank you.
[20:47] <rharper> ok
[20:48] <rharper> sure


[00:11] <bazhang> shawty guy ?
[01:00] <Jordan_U> Is there a reason why it's so hard for some people to understand the concept of an end goal? (Not ranting, I'm actually curious).
[01:00] <bazhang> galeon?
[01:01] <bazhang> he knows what he does *not want
[01:01] <Jordan_U> Yes, but it's a common problem I have when trying to help people.
[01:01] <bazhang> so he's fixed on only using this script to get that server going.
[01:02] <bazhang> and describes it alternately , depending on the channel
[01:03] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Do you think he understood my question when I asked his end goal? Any insight more generally?
[01:04] <bazhang> Jordan_U, doubt he clicked the link. he's described the script completely differently in #bash , so who knows what his end goal is (he seems to be unclear on it himself)
[01:06] <pangolin> !guidelines > ETERNA
[01:09] <bazhang> nothing suspicious there, at all
[01:12] <pangolin> Jordan_U: there is your chance at trying to figure out his end goal
[01:12] <pangolin> said he is pasting his script
[01:13] <Jordan_U> I'm leaving in a few minutes anyway.
[03:32] <bazhang> apt-get -b install ? any reasong to use that?
[03:32] <bazhang> err reason
[03:43] <pangolin> Compile source packages after downloading them.
[03:43] <bazhang> yep. just read the man page
[03:44] <pangolin> would there be an advantage to compiling the source from repo as opposed to installing the deb from source?
[03:44] <pangolin> err the deb fro  repo*
[03:44] <pangolin> from*
[04:43] <bazhang> arch is a fork of gentoo
[04:47] <rww> wat
[04:52] <bazhang> according to gentoofan
[04:52] <bazhang> and gentoo came from BSD
[04:52] <ldunn> whut
[04:53] <bazhang> therefore arch is related to BSD!
[04:53] <bazhang> QED!
[04:53] <bazhang> all claims by the above
[05:01] <bazhang> what is with the sheer number of trolls of late?
[05:02] <ldunn> 5
[05:02] <pangolin> full moon?
[05:02] <Flannel> Moon is 3/4th
[05:02] <ldunn> oops, I missed the "with" in there.
[05:03] <pangolin> ok so it isn't the moon
[05:03] <Flannel> Could be the collective bad economies of the world == more folks unemployed
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> Moon face is 86% illuminated. || Moon phase: Waxing gibbous || Next full moon is on Tuesday 11 October
[05:03] <pangolin> that is plausible Flannel
[05:03] <bazhang> ldunn, heh nice
[05:04] <Flannel> It's sort of the inverse corollary to the eternal september.
[05:14] <rww> I forget, when do we open -release-party?
[05:14] <bazhang> day of?
[05:18] <Flannel> 24-48h beforehand, I think.
[05:28] <bazhang> * Cock-for-GirlyGi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[05:28] <ldunn> yep, -ot too.
[05:28] <bazhang> thats offensive
[05:36] <elky> that's not only offensive, it's harassment
[05:37] <elky> though i don't see the bit where you asked him to change in #u
[05:39] <pangolin> now using nick trollytrol.
[05:39] <elky> imaginative
[05:40] <pangolin> I didn't ask the first time but put it in the remove message.
[05:40] <pangolin> yeah they asked for a nick that is what i suggested to them.
[05:40]  * elky facepalms
[05:42] <FemaleDog> Hi I am banned on #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:42] <elky> You will remain that way.
[05:42] <FemaleDog> Why?
[05:42] <elky> Our channels are not a waiting room for harassing people.
[05:43] <pangolin> Could you please select a nick that is not provocative, will make our irc experience so much nicer if we don't have to fight over this.
[05:43] <FemaleDog> I did not say anything in channel to harass anyone
[05:43] <elky> Your nick said plenty.
[05:43] <trollytrol> ok
[05:43] <pangolin> thank you.
[05:43] <trollytrol> But it was not intended to offend anyone
[05:44] <trollytrol> I mean who on the channel got offended
[05:44] <pangolin> everybody who asked you to change it
[05:44] <trollytrol> pangolin: I did change it
[05:44] <pangolin> maybe you are not aware of our channel guidelines
[05:44] <elky> I have zero intention of giving you a list to work through.
[05:44] <pangolin> !guidelines
[05:45] <trollytrol> Its not like I did a nick like (Insert someone else's name here) (Insert curse word here)
[05:45] <trollytrol> pangolin: NNow I am aware so can I be allowed in
[05:45] <pangolin> into -offtopic? not up to me.
[05:45] <pangolin> but I don't see it happening tonight
[05:46] <pangolin> please just follow the guidelines and we won't have any problems.
[05:46] <trollytrol> I am sorry, I had zero intention of harming anyone and will follow the lineguide from now
[05:46] <pangolin> much appreciated. Have a good night.
[05:46] <trollytrol> If I put the name of someone else and then a bad word that would not be nice but this is more minor
[05:47] <trollytrol> pangolin: So can you remove the ban
[05:47] <pangolin> not for #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:47] <Flannel> trollytrol: You're currently in #ubuntu, that should be sufficient for now.
[05:47] <trollytrol> pangolin: Why?
[05:47] <trollytrol> Flannel: But I want offtopic
[05:47] <pangolin> trollytrol: I am not an op there and two ops from that channel have indicated they won't
[05:48] <Flannel> trollytrol: That's fine.  You won't be back there until you've demonstrated that you can handle it.
[05:48] <trollytrol> Flannel: But I won't do anything bad
[05:48] <Flannel> trollytrol: That's good.  We appreciate it.
[05:48] <trollytrol> Flannel: SO allow me in
[05:49] <Flannel> trollytrol: No, you've lost that privledge for now.
[05:49] <trollytrol> Flannel: Just for one very minor thing?
[05:50] <trollytrol> Don't be so mean ... See I being nice here
[05:50] <Flannel> trollytrol: If you're viewing that as a minor thing, then yeah.  But it's just a minor ban, so don't worry too much about it.  You've already said you'll be better in the future, so I'm sure you'll get back into #ubuntu-offtopic in no time.
[05:50] <trollytrol> Flannel: How much time
[05:51] <Flannel> trollytrol: Once you've demonstrated that you will follow the guidelines from now on, which you already indicated that you would, we just want to follow up on that.
[05:51] <trollytrol> Flannel: How much time
[05:51] <trollytrol> Flannel: I can go to #kubuntu-offtopic then
[05:52] <trollytrol> or xubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <Flannel> trollytrol: No.  And this is starting to become circular, is there anything else?
[05:52] <trollytrol> Flannel: But I did nothing in those channels
[05:52] <Flannel> trollytrol: You're in #ubuntu, that'll be a good place to demonstrate you can be in good standing.
[05:54] <trollytrol> Flannel: This is OP abuse
[05:54] <Flannel> trollytrol: It is not.
[05:54] <trollytrol> Why do you treat new people like that
[05:55] <trollytrol> I did not direct abuse at any specific individual
[05:55] <Flannel> trollytrol: but if you feel like you've been mistreated, you're welcome to file an appeal.  Details can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[05:55] <trollytrol> Flannel: Who handles that. people like you itself?
[05:55] <Flannel> I don't.
[05:56] <trollytrol> You don't what?
[05:56] <Flannel> I don't handle that.
[05:56] <Flannel> trollytrol: You were being inappropriate, and you weren't receptive to being told as much.
[05:56] <trollytrol> Flannel: Yes but probably people with views like you
[05:56] <trollytrol> Flannel: I did change the name as requested
[05:56] <Flannel> trollytrol: And to be completely frank, it was directed at an individual.
[05:57] <trollytrol> Flannel: It was not
[05:57] <trollytrol> Flannel: I've never been here this is my first time here
[05:57] <Flannel> trollytrol: anyway, yes, it would be other people in the Ubuntu community who handle the appeals process.
[05:58] <trollytrol> Flannel: Ok I'm going to another distro then the community here is terrible
[05:58] <Flannel> trollytrol: I bade you good luck.  Have a nice day.
[05:59] <trollytrol> Flannel: Can you suggest an ubuntu like distro for newbies at least be that kind
[05:59] <Flannel> trollytrol: give mint a try, some folks like it.
[05:59] <trollytrol> And its very bad of you to accuse me of directing it at someone when its my first time here
[06:00] <trollytrol> is mint's community better in terms of OP's etc
[06:00] <Flannel> trollytrol: I don't know
[06:00] <Flannel> but almost all IRC channels have operators
[06:01] <trollytrol> Flannel: Im fine with Op's but want good ones not like you
[06:01] <Flannel> trollytrol: You'll just have to take your chances.  Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I don't have a list of folks not like me.
[06:02] <trollytrol> txwikinger: Ok, but if I want to come back and am nice ... How long will it take for ban removal in offtopic
[06:02] <trollytrol> Flannel:
[06:02] <trollytrol> an approx time
[06:03] <Flannel> trollytrol: If you come back and demonstrate good behavior I don't think it'd end up being very long.  We just need some evidence that you've changed and all that.  Right now we don't have much of anything.
[06:03] <trollytrol> Also I am in kubuntu-offtopic now if I move to kubuntu and come to #kubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic its fine
[06:04] <Flannel> trollytrol: You're not banned there, so yes, it would be fine.  That channel still follows the same IRC guidelines though, just be aware.
[06:04] <elky> unless you break the rules there and earn more bans
[06:05] <trollytrol> Flannel: elky Ok, I've got to go now thanks ... if you se a user here called GirlyGirl tell her I was looking for her
[06:05] <trollytrol> thanks
[06:05] <elky> No doubt left at all
[06:06] <Flannel> @mark trollytrol
[08:08] <Calinou> so... what
[08:38] <ikonia> Calinou: can we help ?
[09:03] <Myrtti> Calinou: hi?
[09:15] <Calinou> yes, I got banned in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:16] <oCean> and you remember why, don't you?
[09:17] <Calinou> I do, swearing
[09:19] <oCean> Calinou: I'm not an OP in -offtopic myself, so I have no possibility to remove your ban
[09:19] <Calinou> ok
[09:19] <oCean> while you wait for an OP that does, you may want to read our channels guidelines and code of conduct
[09:19] <oCean> !guidelines > Calinou
[09:19] <oCean> !CoC > Calinou
[09:19] <ikonia> Calinou: one moment please.
[09:19] <Calinou> ok
[09:20] <ikonia> @btlogin
[09:24] <ikonia> Calinou: why did you type "fuck" multiple times in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:24] <Calinou> because...  The ban will not be removed at this time
[09:34] <Calinou> ok then...
[09:41] <ikonia> Calinou: please leave this channel at this time.
[09:41] <Calinou> ok
 can u help me to find internet part time job?
[09:56] <Ben64> in pm, same guy as before that got banned
[09:58] <oCean> Ben64: thanks for letting us know
[09:58] <Ben64> np
[10:03] <bazhang> GirlyGirl, hi
[10:03] <GirlyGirl> Hi I just recieved this pm http://imageshack.us/f/441/snapshot11f.png/
[10:03] <LjL> who from
[10:03] <bazhang> thanks for reporting, others have done so
[10:03] <bazhang> adriana
[10:04] <GirlyGirl> Ok thanks ..
[10:05] <LjL> gone
[10:06] <GirlyGirl> LjL: Oh sorry forgot to part channel
[10:06] <LjL> np
[10:06] <oCean> I got nothing (on join that is)
[10:06] <LjL> oCean: me neither but vibhav reported it too on -irc
[10:07] <LjL> i'd say two reports are enough
[10:07] <bazhang> tried to PM , no response
[10:07] <oCean> and head_victim reported it in #u channel, so that would def be enough
[10:07] <oCean> earlier we had this spam too, forgot if it was same range
[11:24] <Myrtti> @now utc
 STO BULLYING MW
[20:23] <bazhang> !
[20:24] <oCean> I'm a ruthless, disrespectful, bullying op
[20:24] <oCean> I know
[20:24] <bazhang> freispeachk!
 hey im completely new to irc
[20:32] <bazhang> odd, there are entries in the ban tracker then
[23:18] <pangolin> !google  VampsDaBeast
[23:18] <pangolin> !google  > VampsDaBeast


[10:15] <debfx> bulldog98_: what happened to the kubuntu patches in rekonq 0.7.90-0ubuntu1?
[15:00] <ScottK> Uploaded soprano to the oneiric PPA.
[15:10] <debfx> soprano 2.7.4 has been released fwiw
[15:12] <ScottK> Heh.  Of course.
[15:12] <ScottK> I'll look into it.
[16:33] <Riddell> agateau: how was the qt-at-spi issue resolved?
[16:33] <agateau> Riddell: ah, need to check the status of that
[16:34] <agateau> Riddell: basically, we are disabling a11y for qt apps except unity-2d
[16:34] <agateau> Riddell: this is a two-step process: upload a new unity-2d which sets up a11y for itself only,
[16:34] <agateau> Riddell: then upload a new at-spi2-core which does not enable a11y for qt apps
[16:35] <Riddell> ok seems like that is in process
[16:35] <ScottK> New soprano uploaded.
[16:35] <agateau> Riddell: unity-2d package has reached oneiric-update
[16:35] <agateau> *updates
[16:36] <agateau> need to follow up with at-spi2-core
[16:56] <debfx> I could use some help convincing the firefox maintainers to fix a regression in the kde integration.
[16:56] <debfx> Filing a bug, mentioning it multiple times on IRC and creating a merge request doesn't seem to be enough.
[16:57] <debfx> bug #885836
[16:58] <debfx> opening natty-precise tasks would be a first step ;)
[17:19] <bambee> hi ^^
[17:27] <ScottK> micahg: ^^^ ?
[17:44] <Riddell> does kdesudo <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 still work, first merge after my accident and I want to make sure I do it right :)
[17:45] <BarkingFish> your...accident??? Physical accident, or online "uhoh i borked something" type of accident? :(
[17:47] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Read kubuntu-devel
[17:48] <BarkingFish> ScottK: is there an online archive? I've not been getting my ML messages from it
[17:48] <ScottK> Yes.  See lists.ubuntu.com
[17:50] <BarkingFish> thanks
[17:54] <BarkingFish> holy cow...
[17:54] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[17:55] <BarkingFish> Thank you ScottK
[17:55] <BarkingFish> and I hope you're getting back to your regular self, Riddell - damn.
[17:56] <BarkingFish> I still have to find out why I'm not getting messages from the ML. Is there a human administrator who runs the mailman?
[18:05] <ScottK> I'd try to subscribe again.
[18:27] <micahg> debfx: will talk to chrisccoulson about it, I know we dropped the patches on trunk
[18:31] <debfx> micahg: I can understand that supporting the patches in daily builds is not manageable but I hope that doesn't affect releases
[18:32] <micahg> debfx: well, if the integration patch gets no test coverage, it's problematic
[18:34] <debfx> micahg: there are still beta releases
[18:35] <micahg> right, let's see if he's willing to rebase for those
[18:40] <debfx> micahg: it is enabled in the beta (9.0~b4 / precise). anyway the bug is also about a regression in existing releases (the current firefox versions in natty and oneiric)
[18:41] <micahg> debfx: if it's enabled in the beta, we should be able to get it for the next release in 2 weeks
[18:45] <micahg> debfx: is that patch you attached in the bug just a refreshed version of what's in the beta or a new patch?
[18:48] <debfx> micahg: it's a patch of the patch
[18:48] <debfx> the same as https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head/revision/838
[18:49] <micahg> debfx: so, is this piece missing currently or in 9.0 beta 4?
[18:51] <debfx> micahg: it's missing in the firefox releases that are currently in natty, oneiric and precise
[18:52] <debfx> micahg: if you'll push firefox 9 to all of those fixing it there is enough
[18:52] <micahg> yeah, Firefox 9 will go to natty/oneiric on Dec 20 barring testing issues, there will be a new beta for precise later this week
[18:53] <debfx> but please make sure that it's also fixed in the branches for future firefox version (e.g. trunk even if it's disabled there)
[18:53] <debfx> so the regression won't be introduced again later
[22:14] <apachelogger_> skaet: sorry that I could not help with release stuff, I was not around last week
[22:17] <apachelogger_> debfx: uhhh, firefox :S
[22:18] <apachelogger_> maco: "UDS seems to be just about all the meeting that needs to be done to make Kubuntu happen. Efficiency!" I wonder if that is really a good thing
[22:19] <apachelogger_> :O
[22:19] <apachelogger_> Riddell: how are you?
[22:24] <Riddell> apachelogger_: bit zonked.  I should do a dist upgrade tomorrow and see what useful things I can do
[22:28] <apachelogger_> Riddell: are you back in scotland?
[22:59] <valorie> yay, I see Riddell, apachelogger_ and ScottK activity in channel!
[22:59] <valorie> \o/
[23:01]  * apachelogger_ hugs valorie
[23:02]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} back
[23:03] <valorie> I'm not the only one whose been missing you
[23:03] <valorie> glad to see you back
[23:03] <valorie> :-)
[23:05] <apachelogger_> valorie: back might be an overstatement
[23:05]  * apachelogger_ is figuring out things
[23:07] <valorie> ok, actual words in IRC, then
[23:13] <apachelogger_> :)


[05:25] <duflu> RAOF: Why is it still on raring, it's random whether my VT font is the BIOS one or the Ubuntu one?
[05:25] <RAOF> duflu: When is it the Ubuntu one?
[05:25] <duflu> RAOF: *Randomly* :P
[05:25] <RAOF> Have you done something to set it to the Ubuntu one?
[05:25] <duflu> RAOF: It's actually meant to be the Ubuntu console font
[05:26] <duflu> But we have a race somewhere so it doesn't apply half the time
[05:26] <duflu> This bug has been around for at least a year
[05:27] <RAOF> Huh. That *should* be set by console-setup in the initramfs.
[05:33] <duflu> RAOF: Couldn't find it for a while but yeah it is assigned to console-setup... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/433897
[05:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 433897 in console-setup "Console/VT font is (randomly) not set (sometimes) on some machines. Stuck with the default VGA BIOS font." [High,Confirmed]
[05:33] <RAOF> duflu: Incidentally, how did you get the Ubuntu console font set up?
[05:33] <RAOF> error: invalid cast from type ‘mir::geometry::PixelFormat’ to type ‘mir::geometry::PixelFormat’ ☹
[05:33] <duflu> RAOF: It is by default out of the box. It's meant to be.
[05:34] <duflu> RAOF: Yeah I was going to fix the PixelFormat(s) soonish
[05:34] <duflu> RAOF: Try a different machine or two. Some machine consistently have the font set. Some consistently don't. And some vary.
[05:36] <duflu> Most people don't notice it as a bug because they only ever see one Ubuntu machine with one font.
[06:29] <pitti> Good morning
[07:09] <tkamppeter> RAOF, hi
[07:26] <didrocks> pitti: I'm afraid I will need your bumping magic again :(
[07:26] <pitti> didrocks: sure
[07:26] <didrocks> oh, no libunity here? let me look for it
[07:27] <didrocks> ah not yet source published in the ppa
[07:31] <RAOF> tkamppeter: Hi.
[07:31] <didrocks> here we go
[07:31] <didrocks> pitti: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/experimental-prevalidation/+build/4371799
[07:31] <didrocks> this is the only urgent one for now
[07:31] <RAOF> tkamppeter: Any luck getting an upstream review of the ghostscript patch?
[07:31] <pitti> didrocks: fait !
[07:31] <didrocks> pitti: merci ;)
[07:32] <RAOF> tkamppeter: I'm not wild about effectively taking a fork of lcms2 because the fork mysteriously fails to segfault with ghostscript.
[07:32] <didrocks> pitti: oh, celui-ci aussi, stp: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/experimental-prevalidation/+build/4371756
[07:33] <pitti> fait aussi
[07:33] <didrocks> merci !
[07:34] <tkamppeter> RAOF, perhaps I let GS then use its own copy of LCMS2 for this cycle, so that LCMS2 gets time to sort it out upstream. Then you better remove everything from LCMS2 (go back to -0ubuntu1 state) and I package GS with its own LCMS2. WDYT?
[07:35] <RAOF> tkamppeter: I don't think there's any particular need to remove the patch I cherry-picked from upstream. Is there something really urgent in GS 9.0.7?
[07:38] <tkamppeter> RAOF, GS 9.07 is simply the current release, there is no urgent fix in it. I could perhaps even skip it.
[07:38] <RAOF> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. If their lcms2 patches get reviewed in time, we can push both through. If not, maybe we're not missing too much?
[07:39] <tkamppeter> RAOF, the only problem I see is that if GS can make the patched LCMS2 crash and so perhaps other programs using LCMS2 can make it crash, too.
[07:40] <RAOF> tkamppeter: That's reasonable. I *think* those programs would need to explicitly use the new symbol to touch the crashy codepath, though?
[07:40] <tkamppeter> RAOF, I am not sure, as I did not look very deeply into the changes.
[07:42] <RAOF> Hm, no, you're right. Everyone will hit the new codepaths.
[07:42] <RAOF> So I should probably revert that patch.
[07:43] <tkamppeter> RAOF, so I will try building GS 9.07 with its own LCMS2 and I recommend you to return to the -0ubuntu1 state.
[07:44] <tkamppeter> RAOF, and I let the upstreams negotiate with each other and to take some months to sort it out.
[07:48] <RAOF> Sounds good.
[08:19] <tkamppeter> RAOF, GS 9.07 with onboard lcms2 is on its way ...
[08:19] <tkamppeter> RAOF, ... a first quick test shows that it is stable.
[08:19] <jgdx> Unity in raring really shines. The dash is appearing instantaneously. Thank you all!
[08:24] <didrocks> jgdx: thanks for the feedback :)
[08:24] <didrocks> (the upstream guys are more on #ubuntu-unity FYI ;))
[08:26] <jgdx> didrocks: I'll go an repeat myself, happily!
[08:26] <didrocks> :)
[08:32] <tkamppeter> RAOF, new GS uploaded, thanks for your help.
[08:39] <seb128> hey desktopers, happy friday
[08:45] <didrocks> hey seb128!
[08:45] <seb128> hey didrocks
[08:46] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[08:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, how are you?
[08:46] <seb128> still fighting toolchains?
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> oh, i don't think it's a toolchain bug ;)
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> ooh, a different colour this morning: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/
[08:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, chromium bug then? is it fixed yet? poke on the shoulder :p
[09:08] <Laney> morning
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, hey, happy friday!
[09:11] <Laney> and to you!
[09:57] <czajkowski> Gooooood Morning
[09:59] <seb128> czajkowski, mooooorning, happy friday!
[09:59] <czajkowski> it's only happy friday as tmorrow is excellent Saturday :0
[09:59] <czajkowski> ;)
[10:00] <seb128> ;-)
[10:38] <Laney> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEB74jGanao
[11:01] <m4n1sh> Laney: I guess the majority of the comments you might get would be about your keyboard
[11:01] <Laney> sigh
[11:01] <Laney> you're probably right - and I can't be bothered so I'm going to delete it
[11:02] <Laney> gone
[11:02] <Laney> shame
[11:03] <seb128> Laney, what was the video about? ;-)
[11:03] <Laney> I was demonstrating a bug
[11:04] <Laney> alt+left/right caused a tty switch - most odd
[11:06] <m4n1sh> Laney: sigh. you could have just ignored it
[11:06] <Laney> I showed it to someone else and he said the same thing which made me believe that people would be incapable of seeing the point
[11:10] <m4n1sh> even I had a dirty keyboard a year back before I relocated. I just threw away the keyboard and bought a new one. Cleaning keyboard is hard. Atleast real hard for me
[11:10] <seb128> Laney, did you opt in for some system compositor beta ppa or something?
[11:10] <Laney> no mir in sight ;-)
[11:11] <seb128> k, dunno then :p
[11:11] <Laney> it's gone away now anyway after a restart
[11:32] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel. would you mind running https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-mozillateam_firefox_next-firefox/ again please? (i uploaded a new version yesterday)
[11:33] <jibel> chrisccoulson, done. but it should have started automatically, another jenkins weirdness
[11:34] <chrisccoulson> jibel, cool, thanks!
[11:44] <seb128> pitti, btw did you see my langpack ping yesterday?
[11:44] <pitti> seb128: I did, and I asked dpm some time ago about it; he said he'd investigate
[11:44] <pitti> we don't have LP exports yet
[11:44] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks, I don't keep IRC running at night so don't have the backlog
[11:44] <pitti> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+language-packs
[11:45] <seb128> pitti, I will check with dpm when he's around
[11:45] <seb128> pitti, can you put https://code.launchpad.net/~altair-ibn-la-ahad/ubuntu/precise/update-notifier/bug-887650/+merge/152556 as work in progress or rejected?
[11:45] <pitti> lequel, WIP ou rej ?
[11:46] <seb128> anything which gets it out of the sponsoring queue until it's fixed by the submitter
[11:46] <seb128> I never know which one is correct...
[11:46] <pitti> ok, so WIP then
[11:46] <seb128> pitti, danke
[11:46] <pitti> WIP -> submitter needs to fix it, but we agree with the change in general
[11:46] <pitti> rejected -> we don't want it
[11:46] <seb128> k
[11:46] <seb128> WIP please then ;-)
[11:46] <pitti> seb128: fait
[11:46] <seb128> pitti, merci
[13:37] <didrocks> Laney: hum, I don't understand your comment on the FFe bug
[13:38] <didrocks> Laney: did you read the bug description?
[13:38] <didrocks> I took great care to explain everything
[13:51] <qengho> coffee |lap >floor
[13:58] <attente> rm floor
[13:59] <Laney> sorry, tpying with one hand
[14:00] <Laney> took  a chunk out of a finger
[14:00] <Laney> didrocks: was hoping for a list or so
[14:00] <Laney> let me look
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, be careful, those finger things can be handy
[14:02] <Laney> the update makes it clearer
[14:02] <Laney> seb128: indeed, its been bleeding for 1 hour now
[14:02] <Laney> holding it up over my head
[14:02] <seb128> urg
[14:02] <seb128> did you cut it while cooking or something?
[14:03] <Laney> was cutting with scissors and it slipped
[14:05] <desrt> Laney: dude... leave your computer and seek medical help
[14:05] <desrt> cuts shouldn't bleed for an hour
[14:06] <Laney> yeah it's a decent chunk
[14:06] <Laney> slowing now
[14:06] <desrt> find someone to go with you
[14:12] <Laney> ah, it's stopped now ;-)
[14:18] <czajkowski> Laney: cold tea, bleeding finger, odd bugs, you're not having a good day are you
[14:18] <Laney> seems pretty standard to me :P
[14:22] <Laney> hmm, I was going to go climbing this evening...
[14:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: That was a fast first response. :)
[14:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, hehe, non-code-review comments is the easy part ;-)
[14:23] <seb128> GunnarHj, I was doing some patch piloting as well this morning
[14:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. I submitted a few short answers.
[14:23] <seb128> thanks
[14:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: I have thought about the integration between xkb and im. How likely is it that we will adapt that part of the region capplet?
[14:25] <GunnarHj> adopt
[14:25] <GunnarHj> after 13.04, I mean.
[14:26] <seb128> we should try to get that in if it makes sense
[14:26] <seb128> otherwise our diff over upstream is not easy to manage
[14:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: I do understand about that giant diff. But there are a few issues. One of them is that ibus is not perfect for all im users - there seems not to be a perfect IMF at all. Therefore the model with im-config, that lets users easily choose their preferred IMF, seems to have its advantages.
[14:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: I can think that this would be a suitable topic at next (v)UDS.
[14:30] <GunnarHj> seb128: It's the im users who should decide our route in this respect, IMO.
[14:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, there was a discussion in this vUDS about input methods (I didn't look at the outcome yet though)
[14:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-ubuntukylin-inputmethod-ibus-or-fcitx
[14:31] <Laney> they went for fcitx
[14:31] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:32] <Laney> AFAIK, anyway
[14:32] <seb128> we should probably build our indicators with backends
[14:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah, I participated in that one, but it didn't cover this topic.
[14:32] <seb128> and support both
[14:32] <seb128> we have 2 ways
[14:32] <seb128> improve/fix ibus to be good enough for everyone
[14:32] <seb128> or fcitx
[14:32] <seb128> well let's say "pick a framework and do what is needed to make it suitable"
[14:33] <seb128> or "let different locales use different frameworks and deal with those from the ui side by having backends"
[14:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, so you preclude that we keep using im-config?
[14:33] <seb128> sorry, I don't know enough about the topic
[14:33] <seb128> what is im-config doing exactly?
[14:34] <seb128> is that to let user select if they want ibus or fcitx or ...?
[14:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: It lets you switch between different frameworks, and configure the one you choose by setting some env. variables.
[14:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, you can say that it lets the user easily select ibus, fcitx etc.
[14:36] <pitti> c'est l'heure de glace!!!
[14:36] <seb128> pitti, y a de la glace partout ici tjs ... ;-)
[14:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: And that approach is difficult to keep with the new GNOME model.
[14:36] <seb128> pitti, bonne glace !
[14:37] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, as said there are 2 way forward, one is to enforce a framework and make it good enough for everyone, the other one is to keep allowing flexibility
[14:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: I can propose a blueprint, if you like.
[14:38] <seb128> GunnarHj, we had some, I've the feeling that what we lack is people knowing enough about the topic and needs to lead the discussions to a conclusion
[14:39] <seb128> the topic is an hard one as well
[14:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: Maybe we should ask somebody who knows the topic better, like happyaron.
[14:39] <seb128> it's a vast topic
[14:39] <seb128> somebody from China might not have a good understand of what  people in Russia need
[14:40] <seb128> understanding
[14:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: That's true, unfortunately.
[14:40] <seb128> seems even users in different part of China have different opinion about the topic
[14:40] <seb128> some dialects are supported correctly by ibus
[14:40] <seb128> some others are not
[14:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Which speaks for keeping flexibility for now. ;-)
[14:41] <seb128> flexibility has a cost, it means have to support several stacks and integration from the UI which all of those
[14:41] <seb128> having*
[14:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: True.
[14:42] <seb128> it also means you might have different UI/behaviour depending on your locale
[14:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Didn't understand the last one.
[14:42] <seb128> and it might be hard to handle installations/activation of the right one for users
[14:42] <seb128> well, maybe ibus and fcitx don't have the same capabilities/interaction model
[14:43] <seb128> which would reflect in a different interface for e.g the indicator
[14:43] <seb128> or the settings panel
[14:43] <seb128> so you have to deal with documentation trying to explain the differences
[14:43] <seb128> and you need to make sure every locale lands on using the correct framework
[14:44] <GunnarHj> seb128: Both ibus and fcitx have decent interfaces, AFAICT, which you can reach via an icon at the top bar.
[14:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: But to be honest, I'm not capable of comparing pros and cons here. A group of im users from different countries should be consulted, IMO. A topic at next UDS might give you a better base for decision.
[14:48] <seb128> GunnarHj, agreed
[14:48] <desrt> pitti: hey.  noticed you uploaded an upgraded systemd to universe
[14:49] <desrt> oh.  disregard.
[14:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll talk to happyaron, and see if we can propose a suitable blueprint topic.
[14:50]  * desrt was going to tell you to cherry-pick a patch from git but it seems that systemd has a pretty aggressive release schedule
[14:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks
[14:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: No problem.
[15:46] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: reading the bashism bikeshed flying by, I noticed you did a prominent one right at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/auto-pkg-test.html ;)
[15:46] <Sweetshark> pitti: IIRC $() isnt POSIXy, only `` is.
[15:47] <ogra_> both work though ... there is worse stuff
[15:47] <ogra_> and i'm personally ony concerned when it comes to startup scripts etc
[15:47] <ogra_> adding seconds to your boot because there are 10something bash scripts running etc
[15:48] <Sweetshark> ogra_: I did work at Sun Microsystems and had to keep Solaris happy. Dont tell me that was wasted time! ;)
[15:48] <Laney> $() is POSIX
[15:48] <ogra_> yeah but even `` will work in POSIX code
[15:48] <ogra_> there is other stuff that will make your script crash and burn
[15:49] <ogra_> and arrays should be patched outr fo our bash package :P
[15:50] <ogra_> *out of
[15:51] <Sweetshark> ogra_: but while we are at it, whats a sane way to solve https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1141106 without getting non-POSIXy?
[15:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1141106 in libreoffice "usr/bin/libreoffice script bad symlink following" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:51] <Sweetshark> ogra_: neither the stat command, nor the readlink one are POSIX IIRC/
[15:52] <Sweetshark> (note: Im not saying that the sed madness is sane)
[15:53] <ogra_> why do you care ? that runs in the users session ... where the default shell is bash anyway
[15:54] <Sweetshark> ogra_: on all operating systems?
[15:54] <Laney> they're both executables?
[15:56] <Sweetshark> heh, vim syntax highlighting for posix-sh is complaining about $() though
[15:59] <Sweetshark> ah, heh. e.g. solaris 8 is not supporting $() thats why.
[15:59] <Laney> It was added in 2004 IIRC
[16:01] <Laney> I have let g:is_posix = 1 in my .vimrc which I think I added to get around that
[16:09] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[16:09] <seb128> kenvandine, is there any reason you never uploaded that fix for signon-ui to exit on idle?
[16:11] <kenvandine> i thought i did
[16:11] <seb128> kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/signon-ui/+changelog ?
[16:12] <kenvandine> :/
[16:12] <kenvandine> i guess that only went to the PPA
[16:12] <kenvandine> i remember waiting for it to be reviewed before uploading to raring
[16:15] <seb128> kenvandine, can you get it uploaded? ;-)
[16:17] <kenvandine> seb128, sure
[16:17] <kenvandine> probably monday though :)
[16:17] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:17] <seb128> no hurry
[16:17]  * seb128 \o/ at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/+bug/1044055
[16:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1044055 in gnome-control-center-signon "online-accounts does not allow a way to disable a particular application" [Undecided,Triaged]
[16:22] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah we want that in too
[16:23] <seb128> kenvandine, it got acked ;-)
[16:23] <kenvandine> great, i hadn't noticed
[16:23] <kenvandine> woot
[16:23] <seb128> kenvandine, mardy was trying to push for the new e-d-s/evo as well, they added uoa support apparently, but that one seems out of scope for the cycle
[16:23] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:23] <kenvandine> too risky
[16:24] <seb128> too much work as well
[16:24] <seb128> they dropped a lib and changed some soname I think
[16:24] <seb128> not to mention that new evo might need new gtk
[16:24] <kenvandine> although current version is crashy as hell :/
[16:25] <seb128> we will get the new one in a month...
[16:26] <kenvandine> seb128, after my sdk dev session this afternoon, i am going to file some MIRs and an FFe bug for friends/gwibber :)
[16:27] <seb128> cool
[16:28] <pitti> seb128: merci, il était bien !
[16:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: srsly? `` doesn't nest, I thought $() was POSIXy too
[16:31] <desrt> pitti: hey.  rumour has it you're patching logind
[16:32] <desrt> can't we add something to the shim instead?
[16:33] <pitti> desrt: I'm patching our systemd package in many ways, indeed
[16:33] <pitti> desrt: not sure, does your shim actually track sessions and cgroups? If so, we could get rid of the "old sessions cleanup" patch
[16:33] <desrt> pitti: if you're patching logind to avoid having it talk to systemd (pid1) because we don't have it, i think we should rather allow it to continue talking to the systemd dbus interface but use our shim implementation
[16:33] <pitti> desrt: I haven't looked at the shim yet
[16:33] <desrt> the shim is very dumb right now
[16:33] <pitti> desrt: no, I'm not
[16:33] <desrt> but i expect to expand it....
[16:36] <Sweetshark> pitti: so it seems modern POSIX supports $(), older POSIX doesnt. As AST said: "The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from."
[16:36] <pitti> Sweetshark: for autopkgtest, "works in dash" is POSIXly enough :)
[16:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: I will get back to you with a vengance when we port Ubuntu to Solaris 8!
[16:38] <pitti> *pfft*
[16:40] <Sweetshark> pitti: btw ...
[16:41]  * Sweetshark is just adding some 52 Junit test to run as autopkgtest against an LO4 installation
[16:42] <Sweetshark> (tests run for some ~7 minutes with -j16)
[16:42] <Sweetshark> so yeah, some coverage there ;)
[17:09] <seb128> attente, hey
[17:10] <attente> seb128, hey
[17:10] <seb128> attente, how are you?
[17:10] <attente> pretty good, you?
[17:10] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[17:11] <seb128> you said earlier in the week that you were starting looking at the keyboard indicator stuff?
[17:11] <attente> yep
[17:11] <seb128> (sorry I didn't get back to you earlier about that)
[17:11] <seb128> what are you going for atm ?
[17:11] <seb128> attente, have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardSettings (design from mpt)?
[17:12] <attente> i'm starting based on this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TextEntry
[17:12] <seb128> ok, good
[17:12] <attente> heh, links to the same thing
[17:12] <seb128> the topic is complex, I tried to wrap my head around it a couple of time but I just don't know enough about input methods
[17:13] <seb128> attente, did you pick a "backend"? like do you plan to enforce using ibus?
[17:13] <seb128> or do you plan to have it work with either ibus or fcitx?
[17:13] <attente> seb128, i haven't thought that far ahead yet, i'm just trying to get a basic indicator working :)
[17:15] <seb128> ok
[17:15] <seb128> attente, you might want to abstract the input method framework
[17:15] <seb128> attente, it's not impossible that we move to something else than ibus in the future, I'm not sure those decision at set in stone
[17:16] <attente> seb128, ok, i'll keep that in mind
[17:16] <seb128> thanks
[17:16] <seb128> attente, also you might want to get familiar with what GNOME has been doing, we should probably use a similar logic
[17:16] <seb128> attente, in particular we want to get ride of libxklavier and libgnomekbd
[17:17] <seb128> so we should use those to change keyboard layouts
[17:17] <seb128> shouldn't*
[17:17] <attente> ok
[17:17] <seb128> attente, good luck with that, let me know if you have any issue/concerns
[17:18] <attente> seb128, will do, thanks!
[17:20] <seb128> attente, oh, and lool suggested that we (as "collectively for Ubuntu") should start discussing ibus/fcitx/input methods, I will probably set up a meeting next week and invite people around who package input methods or the people working on ubuntukylin (a chinese edition of Ubuntu), I will invite you as well
[17:23] <attente> seb128, ok
[17:34] <seb128> pitti, what do you mean by "systemd-services in universe for now, as the FFE hasn't been approved yet."?
[17:35] <seb128> pitti, bug #1153567 got acked? or do you speak about the logind one (at they both in the same binary?)
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1153567 in ubuntu-system-service (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Use systemd-services rather than ubuntu-system-service systemdcompatibility code" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153567
[17:35] <pitti> seb128: yeah, the logind FFE hasn't been approved yet
[17:36] <pitti> seb128: ah, I merged logind into systemd-services because the Debian guys didn't like that over-splitting
[17:36] <seb128> pitti, ok, I guess it's fine if we get the logind FFE approved
[17:36] <seb128> otherwise we will need to figure what to do
[17:36] <pitti> seb128: if you want the dbus services now, we need to split it back out again, or merely disable the upstart job as a quickfix
[17:37] <seb128> pitti, systemd-shim is still waiting MIR review from sarnold so no hurry
[17:37] <seb128> we can see what happens to logind next week
[17:37] <seb128> and decide either way
[17:37] <pitti> what does that shim do, BTW?
[17:37] <seb128> it provides the interfaces the services need
[17:37] <seb128> e.g is ntp active
[17:37] <seb128> or activate ntp
[17:38] <seb128> that's need for timedated/the control panel service
[17:46] <pitti> I hope there won't be too much software which checks for the dbus iface and tries to talk to the real systemd
[17:47] <seb128> pitti, right, same for me, I mentioned that to desrt when he decided to go this way
[17:49] <ogra_> we shuld just have merged CK into upstart :P
[17:50] <ogra_> all that pain with half used systemd
[17:51] <pitti> that's not the point
[17:51] <pitti> CK itself still works, but less and less software uses it
[17:52] <ogra_> yeah, and i wasnt really serious :) i could as well said we should just use gentoo as upstream in the future ....
[17:52] <ogra_> +have
[17:52] <ogra_> i know what we do is the best solution for now
[17:52] <ogra_> but i have the feeling that lennart will work towards making what we do impossible in the future
[17:53] <ogra_> the deeper the systemd integration will go, the harder it will become
[17:53] <pitti> believe me, it's already quite hard -- I've worked on this for over a week now
[17:53] <ogra_> but i'm just stating the obvious
[17:54] <ogra_> no doubt on that
[17:59]  * didrocks waves good evening :)
[18:01] <Laney> happy weekend!
[18:08] <seb128> Laney, to you too!
[18:08] <Laney> hoping the rain stays off so I can get out on my new bike ;-)
[18:09] <seb128> Laney, we can maybe send you some ice and snow with -5°C if you prefer :p
[18:10]  * Laney runs
[18:22] <ogra_> seb128, dare you ! that has to go past germany if you send it from down there
[18:23] <seb128> ogra_, real german winter, you can't complain!
[18:23] <ogra_> well, yeah, i wouldnt, if it axtually *was* winter ...
[18:24] <ogra_> on TV they said its spring ... must be true if its on TV
[18:24] <seb128> it's still winter for another 5 days
[18:24] <seb128> then it's spring
[18:24] <ogra_> meteorologists would disagree :)
[18:24] <seb128> lol
[18:25] <seb128> ogra_, http://basse-normandie.france3.fr/sites/regions_france3/files/styles/top_big/public/assets/images/prog4485023.jpg
[18:25] <seb128> ogra_, that's france for you this week :p
[18:25] <ogra_> EEEK !
[18:26] <ogra_> while its -5 here we had twoo beautiful sunny days
[18:26] <seb128> ogra_, or http://nord-pas-de-calais.france3.fr/sites/regions_france3/files/styles/top_big/public/assets/images/congeres.jpg
[18:26] <seb128> today was better
[18:26] <seb128> it stopped snowing yesterday
[18:26] <seb128> it was actually sunny today ;-)
[18:26] <ogra_> woah, still bad
[23:08] <Jmaster>  I  need the activator window xp crack
[23:09] <sarnold> Jmaster: you're in the wrong spot. we _like_ software licenses around here since they're what give us The Powah.