[02:36] <mactop_> hello :)
[02:37] <bregma> hey what's up?
[02:37] <mactop_> MT doesn't work for me on new MBP 8,3 :(
[02:37] <mactop_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty claims it just works out of the box
[02:37] <bregma> those nutty Apple guys are always changing the hardware on those things
[02:37] <mactop_> I know
[02:38] <bregma> youare running natty?
[02:38] <mactop_> (BTW that 8,1 link lists 8,1 8,2 and 8,3 as working)
[02:38] <mactop_> yes
[02:38] <mactop_> 11.04 natty (previously xubuntu, currently ubuntu)
[02:38] <bregma> all I can suggest is upgrading the kernel (to the oneiric one)
[02:39] <mactop_> this is a clean install, new laptop
[02:39] <mactop_> any particular version?
[02:39] <bregma> hrm
[02:39] <bregma> the latest one is 3.0.0-12
[02:40] <mactop_> is there a repo I should add to apt or just compile from scratch?
[02:40] <bregma> I know the guy who write the MBP MT driver bought a new device, same model as his old one, and tyhe new one didn't work
[02:42] <bregma> I'm running oneiric, I doenloaded my kernel from archive.ubuntu.com oneiric/main
[02:42] <bregma> there are kernel edger repos, but I've had less luck with them
[02:43] <bregma> the person you really want to talk to won't be around until Tuesday
[02:44] <mactop> bregma: thanks, I'll try a newer kernel
[02:44] <bregma> it's worth a try
[02:44] <bregma> there are plenty of other MT device bug fixes i the newer kernels
[02:44] <mactop> FWIW this is a replacement to one that died a couple of days ago and it had all the CD install issues where the previous one didn't
[02:45] <mactop> they mfg dates were less than a month apart :/
[02:56] <mactop> new kernel install, bcm5974 dkms compiled cleanly, rebooting ...
[02:56] <mactop> installed*
[03:00] <bregma> welcome back
[03:00] <mactop> thanks
[03:00] <mactop> I have a new kernel now, but still not MT of *any* kind
[03:00] <mactop> no touchpad tab on the mouse properties, not gestures, tap clicks, two/three finger scrolls ...
[03:01]  * mactop is confused :(
[03:02] <mactop> is there anyway to test if the touchpad is even be recognized ?
[03:02] <bregma> lsinput
[03:02] <bregma> sudo lsinput
[03:03] <mactop> so I ran that but couldn't really tell
[03:03] <mactop> sec, I'll show you
[03:06] <mactop> heh, well this kind of sucks (I can't copy anything from a shell to put in gist to show you)
[03:06] <mactop> (because macs don't have more than one button)
[03:07] <mactop> anyway, there is an emulated mouse and the apple keyboard shows up twice under two different /dev/eventX paths
[03:07] <mactop> nothing else in there is relevant
[03:08] <bregma> as an aside, you could use the program pastebinit to redirect output to pastebin
[03:08] <bregma> but alas, I don;t think I can offer much more assistance at this point
[03:08] <mactop> I suspect, but please correct me if I'm wrong, that the the emulated mouse entry (which I confirmed was connected to the touchpad) means that it is not properly setup
[03:09] <bregma> quite possibly
[03:10] <mactop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/705241/
[03:10]  * mactop likes pastebinit but wishes there was a gistit
[03:10] <mactop> anyway, thanks
[08:16] <WebVisitor-9> Hallo
[08:18] <WebVisitor-9> can somebody refer to some tutorial, manual, where I can read about gesture masks ?
[08:19] <WebVisitor-9> I'm running following command /grail-gesture 0 /dev/input/event7 and getting banch of data back
[08:19] <WebVisitor-9> but cannot really understand the meaning of gesture masks
[08:24] <Satoris> Unfortunately there really is no documentation except the source code.
[08:28] <WebVisitor-9> OK, thanks


[03:09] <xu-help75w> Hi folks. Can anyone help me with an update issue. Using Xu20.04LTS. Updated yesterday using the update manager gui and something went wrong. Checking term.log looks like it remove heaps of libs, xserver, xubuntu-core, mesa-utils etc it even removed the update-manager. Rebooted into console. Managed to reconfigure lightdm and startx. No broken pkg
[03:09] <xu-help75w> but term sudo update telling me I can remove everything that makes xubuntu xubuntu. Any fix for this or is it reinstall time?


[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:59] <FiReSTaRT> hey BluesKaj
[14:00] <FiReSTaRT> just saying hello but gotta start working
[14:00] <BluesKaj> hi FiReSTaRT
[14:00] <BluesKaj> np
[14:00] <FiReSTaRT> on a side-note i mostly got a centos box running freepbx up and running
[14:01] <FiReSTaRT> just gotta harden the security, do some hardware tweaks (like turn off the display and make it stay on with the laptop lid closed) and it's gonna be ready for prime time :)
[14:07] <BluesKaj> never tried centos
[14:09] <FiReSTaRT> meh when you're dealing with a server it's all in cli, so there isn't much of a diff other than a few file placements (easily googled) and a different package mgr command
[14:10] <FiReSTaRT> especially in this case where i don't even need a display as everything can be done via ssh :P
[14:11] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT,  using a static IP ?
[14:11] <FiReSTaRT> seems to be the distro of choice for most asterisk implementations and obviously most of the servers out there even though my former employer did everything in debian, from workstations to lns boxes
[14:11] <FiReSTaRT> yeah.. my current employer will hook me up with a cable connection that comes with static
[14:11] <FiReSTaRT> then i'll link it to the domain i already have regged
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ok , an on the job setup
[14:11] <FiReSTaRT> no.. personal setup but i do all my work over vpn
[14:12] <FiReSTaRT> so my employer pays for my net access
[14:12] <BluesKaj> vpn/ssh ..cool
[14:13] <FiReSTaRT> for that i rolled out a virtual maverick box
[14:13] <FiReSTaRT> just vpn setup, remmina and twinkle :)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> never had a reason to try vpn , this is a home lan ..been retired for a while so it's all just here
[14:14] <BluesKaj> ssh , and nfs works for us
[14:15] <BluesKaj> and smb for eife's windows pc
[14:15] <BluesKaj> wife's
[14:17] <FiReSTaRT> this is the 2nd job where i use vpn, but on my previous job, they had a t60 running deb all preconfigured for me, so all i had to do is run the dhcp script, run the vpn script and i was connected
[14:17] <FiReSTaRT> no brainwork at all
[14:17] <FiReSTaRT> ok time to really get crackin and deal with an mlppp case... lots of openwrt fun :)
[14:17] <FiReSTaRT> l8ah


[00:00] <ForeverNoob[m]> all the more reason for me to make a backup then
[00:01] <sarnold> backups are always a good idea :)
[00:02] <sarnold> you could check for memory issues with memtest86 or memtest86+, and disk, you could use badblocks.. neither one is quick though
[00:12] <ForeverNoob[m]> sarnold: badblocks on SSDs are not always representative IIRC
[00:14] <jeremy31> wear levelling and life left
[00:30] <sarnold> ForeverNoob[m]: oh yeah :/ time to teach this old dog new tricks I guess
[01:37] <arooni_team_b> any help getting this techkey bluetooth 5.0 adapter working on ubuntu 20.04? https://gist.github.com/40709a3bf61eaf478294f60b89da01aa
[01:50] <sarnold> arooni_team_b: $ errno 2
[01:50] <sarnold> ENOENT 2 No such file or directory
[01:50] <sarnold> arooni_team_b: find the firmware for the device?
[01:50] <sarnold> arooni_team_b: I think start looking at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/
[02:09] <neildugan> hello!   I am trying to get a Epson all-in-one scanner working, I have connected the device to my LAN, I can ping the device, I can't get 'scanimage -L' to work!    I have put what I think is the correct entries in /etc/sand.d/net.conf and /etc/sane.d/saned.conf    I have no filewall ATM   but I can't get the scanimage to work.
[02:13] <sarnold> neildugan: the table on https://github.com/alexpevzner/sane-airscan may have advice on your unit
[02:26] <neildugan> sarnold, my device -- epson wp-4530 isn't listed in that page
[02:30] <sarnold> dang
[02:53] <rodrigoty23> can anybody help me my arrow keys arent working!
[02:55] <deltab> rodrigoty23: where? what happens?
[02:55] <arooni_team_b> hey team; i could use help getting bluetooth 5.0 usb adapter working
[02:56] <arooni_team_b> [  683.776281] Bluetooth: hci0: command 0x2038 tx timeout
[02:56] <sarnold> rodrigoty23: check around on your keyboard for a 'fn lock' or something similar..
[02:56] <arooni_team_b> thats from dmesg
[02:56] <rodrigoty23> im on a laptop
[02:57] <deltab> rodrigoty23: separate arrow keys or part of the numeric keypad?
[02:57] <rodrigoty23> when i click the botton button i get a locket keypad icon
[02:57] <rodrigoty23> locked
[02:57] <rodrigoty23> there part of my keyboard
[02:58] <deltab> try the num lock key
[02:59] <rodrigoty23> nop tried num lock
[02:59] <rodrigoty23> nothing
[03:00] <deltab> what happens when you press them?
[03:01] <rodrigoty23> the numlock?
[03:02] <deltab> the arrow keys
[03:03] <rodrigoty23> i told you either thety dont work or i get a dislog of a disabled keypad!
[03:04] <rodrigoty23> dialog
[03:46] <arooni_team_b> is there any command line way to make my screen grayscale?
[03:46] <arooni_team_b> ubuntu 20.04
[03:47] <arooni_team_b> theres some gnome extension for it ; but would like to have it invoked automatically via cron nightly to help my eyes
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> theres redshift-gtk
[03:47] <arooni_team_b> does that take it to grayscale
[03:47] <matsaman> no
[03:48] <matsaman> arooni_team_b: what graphics driver?
[03:49] <matsaman> arooni_team_b: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125257/how-can-i-make-the-screen-black-and-white
[03:52] <arooni_team_b> intel built in
[05:24] <loxie> Hi, I'd like to add a grub entry to be able to boot either ubuntu or windows10. In my case both os's are installed each on a separate drive (ubuntu sda... windows10 sdb. how do i add windows to grub? "sudo update-grub" and then sudo grub-install /dev/(windowsbootpartition)"sdb in my case?"
[05:28] <loxie> both os's have been installed to their respective drive, and at the time (during installation,only one drive was ever connected|mbr on two separate drives)
[05:39] <loxie> please help me with this"grub-install: warning: File system `ntfs' doesn't support embedding.
[05:39] <loxie> grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install."
[05:41] <loxie> i have two os's windows and ubuntu each on sda and sdb respective wanting to add to grub "windows 10" rand sudo grub-update then grub-install /dev/sdb1
[05:42] <loxie> what did i do wrong, don i only need to run sudo update-grub
[05:42] <loxie> *don=do
[06:24] <loxie> in the spirit of sharing and learning, running sudo grub-update was sufficent to add a grub boot entry for windows 10 to my ubuntu grub2 menu (each install was done independently with only one hdd/sdd (sda and sdb respective) drive connected at a time
[06:46] <pi0> i am currently running ubuntu 20.04, pidcat should be available via apt install, but i cannot seem to find it
[06:46] <Hash> Hello
[06:46] <Hash> I am on 20.04 and I noticed that initctl process takes 2gb of ram. I can't find any info on why this is
[06:46] <Hash> Does anyone know?
[07:20] <fling> Hash: you should ask #systemd
[08:09] <coolstar> how do I resize the on screen keyboard on the Ubuntu 20.04 login screen?
[08:09] <coolstar> since this is kinda unusable: https://imgur.com/a/C7s9BBW
[08:11] <coolstar> also how do I run xrandr when gdm starts up? since I want to rotate it into landscape mode
[08:29] <peter22222> hi folks... anybody knows how to use deluser with wildcard *?
[08:30] <peter22222> i want to delete obsolete guest-users e.g. guest-fihhdh
[08:30] <peter22222> i have many of them, i like to delete them in one command with deluser
[08:30] <peter22222> but deluser guest-* doesnt work
[08:30] <peter22222> seems it takes the asterisk * literally.
[08:31] <peter22222> how can i mark the asterisk as a wildcard?
[08:37] <llutz> peter22222: something like:  awk -F\: '/^guest/ {print $1}' /etc/password | xargs deluser ....
[08:51] <peter22222> cool thank you llutz
[08:52] <peter22222> llutz doesnt work like that unfortunately
[09:02] <llutz> peter22222: means what?
[09:04] <peter22222> deluser only allows 1 or 2 usernames to delete
[09:05] <llutz>  /etc/passwd i meant*
[09:08] <llutz> peter22222: for name in $(awk -F\: '/^guest-/ {print $1}' /etc/passwd ) ; do  deluser -r ....options... $name; done
[09:24] <peter22222> llutz Thank you!!!
[10:36] <dev-isnt-a-dev> UI changges
[10:36] <dev-isnt-a-dev> hi! so because of the ubuntu 20.04 image being to big, and no netinst image being available, i installed ubuntu 16.04, but is there any good reason to upgrade to 20.04? I just xfce on my laptop, so i dont care about
[10:37] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i dont care about UI changes. are there any technical reasons to upgrade? for example battery life or performance increase?
[10:39] <Habbie> 16.04 will stop getting security updates in a few months
[10:41] <dev-isnt-a-dev> is 16.04 5 yeas old already? yeez, i am feeling old
[10:42] <iptable> 16.04 = 2016 April release date
[10:42] <dev-isnt-a-dev> but are there any other technical advantages?
[10:42] <iptable> according to my maths, it will be 5 years in april 2021
[10:43] <iptable> why not pick 18.04 then? if 20.04 you don't like and 16.04 is EOL
[10:43] <dev-isnt-a-dev> ha, i never saw that relation (I am not really a ubuntu user, only for my laptop i use ubuntu, and i only have a laptop since a few days)
[10:44] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i don't dislike 20.04, i dislike upgrading without a good technical reason
[10:44] <dev-isnt-a-dev> "don't fix it if it aint broke
[10:44] <iptable> end of life is pretty much a 'broke' situation
[10:45] <iptable> I do like my linux Mint for desktop though, so what do I know ;)
[10:45] <dev-isnt-a-dev> well, i am definetly going to upgrade before march, but now i need to decide 18.04 or 20.04
[10:46] <dev-isnt-a-dev> if i upgrade to either of those, will i get the gnome DE? because i rather not have that
[10:46] <iptable> if you wait long enough, you can upgrade to 22.04 :P. I would go with 20.04, no need to worry about upgrades for 5 years
[10:46] <iptable> You can install 'ubuntu server' which is really just ubuntu without the desktop, and choose and install the DE you want
[10:47] <iptable> or actually ubuntu desktop = ubuntu server + DE and some other apps
[10:47] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i thought about that, and that was my initial plan, but since i am on a laptop, i figured the battery life would probely worse
[10:47] <ducasse> dev-isnt-a-dev: if you have xfce now, that will not change with an upgrade
[10:47] <dev-isnt-a-dev> yes, but will gnome be added to the list?
[10:47] <dev-isnt-a-dev> now i have unity, and xfce
[10:47] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i dont have Xubuntu, i have ubuntu with xfce added myself
[10:47] <iptable> you don't have to install gnome, you can
[10:48] <iptable> youcan get ubuntu server and install xfce DE and not have gnome
[10:48] <ducasse> if you have ubuntu-desktop you will get gnome
[10:52] <dev-isnt-a-dev> i got an encrypted drive, can i still upgrade with a complete reinstall, or is the only way to use apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:02] <dev-isnt-a-dev> quit
[11:53] <tosaraja> Do we have idrac service modules available for focal yet? Seems the repo http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/openmanage/950/ does not contain that
[11:58] <tosaraja> or would it work if i just installed an older one meant for bionic and put it in focal?
[12:00] <killall> hello, on ubuntu server i have removed systemd-resolved and keep having resolv.conf with <IP_ADDRESS>. How do i fix so i can have dns from dhcp.
[12:04] <legreffier> killall: why are you removing it ? systemd is usually reliable on this.
[12:05] <killall> legreffier, its a crap, <IP_ADDRESS> as dns is slow, often does not resolve domains i have either in hosts or online. So i disable it.  Can you help me make this work as "normal"?
[12:06] <killall> my resolv.conf point to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf  but still have a <IP_ADDRESS> :/
[12:06] <legreffier> <IP_ADDRESS> is litterally your machine. it won't get any faster. we're talking microseconds overhead.
[12:07] <legreffier> if your machine doesn't know about an host, or doesn't have it in cache, it forward to whatever your dhcp service indicated.
[12:07] <legreffier> that's the default.
[12:07] <killall> legreffier, can we avoid <IP_ADDRESS> and proceed to fixing my dns to dhcp nameserver instead of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:08] <iptable> define slow
[12:09] <killall> iptable, i have lots of  cases where users cannot resolv local domains due to systemd-resolved
[12:09] <killall> as soon as i remove systemd-resolved it works all as expected no problems for ages.
[12:11] <legreffier> killall: 1. don't ever modify /etc/resolv.conf (the 1st lines of this file should tell you not to) 2. edit files in /etc/systemd/network/ in order to force systemd to not use its local cache 3. you're not gonna get anything significant performance-wise out of this work.
[12:11] <legreffier> 4. you'll probably, actually, slow down your network performances as you'll request the dns servers more often.
[12:13] <killall> legreffier,  i dont edit resolv.conf as it is overwritten. At the moment i have set a dns /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head here, and it works, but in the /etc/resolv.conf still see a <IP_ADDRESS> dns and cannot find who putted there instead a dhcp nameserver.
[12:14] <killall> since this machine is connecting to a lot of networks on the move having a dns fixed is not desirable
[12:14] <legreffier> it's the normal behavior
[12:14] <legreffier> <IP_ADDRESS> IS the machine.
[12:15] <legreffier> it's not on internet... it's just "your box" network-wise.
[12:15] <killall> i know that :)
[12:16] <killall> i just need to have there the dns received from dhcp and that is not working :(
[12:17] <legreffier> did you try editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf ?
[12:17] <killall> legreffier, no
[12:19] <killall> either i dont see the setting or there i can only put some static nameserver setting.
[12:19] <iptable> killall: how about working out why they cannot resolve and fix that instead of removing systemd-resolved?
[12:20] <iptable> like, tried dig? find out where it fails, is systemd not getting the right DNS from dhcpd
[12:21] <killall> i have done in the past, the problems is in systemd-resolved dhcp responds ok, if at the moment i edit resolv.conf with router dhcp all is ok and works as expected, back to <IP_ADDRESS> not working even with systemd-restart
[12:21] <killall> so i quit using it on all network. happens that this server i cannot find how to make it work with dns from dhcp
[12:27] <legreffier> first lines of resolv.conf should tell you where the change come from , is it related to systemd ? or networkmanager ?
[12:28] <killall> i dont have networkmanager, this is a server
[12:28] <killall> they come from resolvedconf
[12:32] <legreffier> have you considered reading resolvconf manual ? it's short and simple.
[12:32] <killall> :) thanks
[12:32] <legreffier> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man8/resolvconf.8.html
[12:34] <legreffier> cause you're kinda holding a knife by its blade here :)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:48] <andreas1107> hi everyone, can anyone help with how I can configure Tracker to index all my files?
[12:48] <andreas1107> I've tried to use the GUI settings and clicked all the files I want to index
[12:48] <andreas1107> also tried using gconf-editor
[12:48] <andreas1107> no avail
[12:48] <andreas1107> is there a trick to it?
[15:20] <LenniePike> hello
[15:21] <LenniePike> can anyone help me to install a printer?
[15:28] <rando25892> maybe what do you need
[15:29] <LenniePike> I am trying to install an hp printer... laserjet pro m404dw
[15:29] <rando25892> ok first of all have you read through the arch wiki
[15:31] <LenniePike> ok
[15:32] <LenniePike> this is on Mint btw
[15:32] <rando25892> it shouldnt matter
[15:32] <rando25892> it same basic guideline and its best documentation
[15:33] <LenniePike> they have a tool called hp-locatedriver but I am not sure how to use it
[15:33] <rando25892> you may not even have to
[15:33] <LenniePike> ok
[15:33] <rando25892> if you look at the cups archwiki youll be able to scan and find something about hplip
[15:34] <LenniePike> ok
[15:34] <rando25892> then just understand those two components and it may just work quickly
[15:34] <rando25892> but you want to interface with cups to see if it recognize the printer when plug etc
[15:35] <LenniePike> yea... it shows up as a device
[15:35] <LenniePike> it shows up in my file system
[15:35] <rando25892> yes but is cups running?
[15:35] <LenniePike> yea
[15:35] <LenniePike> it shows up in CUPS also
[15:35] <rando25892> cupsd and cups-browsed
[15:35] <rando25892> make sure you check cups in the interface like the archwiki says
[15:36] <rando25892> localhost:631
[15:36] <rando25892> otherwise it may be relate to a hp specific binary driver but im pretty sure hplip is already set up
[15:37] <LenniePike> I don't know if I should have used the custom install with hplip when I updated it
[15:38] <LenniePike> I also keep getting the message hp-locatedriver Invalid Model Name Passed
[15:38] <LenniePike> I have tried many variations of the model name
[15:39] <LenniePike> or perhaps I need to find the device name... not sure how though
[15:39] <rando25892> look at this text box https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CUPS/Printer-specific_problems#HPLIP
[15:39] <rando25892> specifically the portion about ppd file
[15:39] <rando25892> and use the cups web interface and install through cups
[15:41] <LenniePike> ok
[15:45] <LenniePike> how do I find out which ppd file in /usr/share/ppd/HP/ matches my printer
[15:45] <LenniePike> I installed the class driver
[15:45] <rando25892> well once you find the correct one you will know
[15:45] <rando25892> and hp release the ppd for your printer
[15:45] <rando25892> so one of them
[15:46] <LenniePike> should I keep trying different ones?
[15:47] <rando25892> its list here on mint https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/news/hplip when it was add
[15:48] <rando25892> i would find the specific ppd
[15:48] <rando25892> not just try randoms
[15:48] <rando25892> at least for the 404
[15:48] <rando25892> HP LaserJet Pro M404d
[15:48] <LenniePike> oh ok
[15:51] <rando25892> otherwise look elsewhere like hplip and cups and why it isnt working it should just work
[15:51] <ogurk> trying to understand what are the effects of appending 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="fsck.repair=yes"' in /etc/grub/default
[15:52] <rando25892> fsck does a filesystem check
[15:52] <rando25892> im not sure what it does if it check the filesystem every boot or something
[15:53] <rando25892> do you need it every boot?
[15:53] <LenniePike> I had upgraded to HPLIP 3.20.11
[15:53] <rando25892> sometime fsck can repair complications in drives but usually you dont have to have it repair but it doesnt really take long and if its on the fly like that..
[15:53] <LenniePike> it says ppd browsing is a known issue
[15:54] <rando25892> thats with hp-setup
[15:54] <rando25892> if you have the correct ppd and use cups it usually a sure shot and a test page will print right away
[15:55] <LenniePike> I don't see where it shows what the correct ppd is
[15:55] <LenniePike> if I can find out what it is I can browse to it in CUPS
[16:00] <rando25892> looks like you have to run hp-plugin
[16:01] <ogurk> looking at this article https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/05/how-to-force-fsck-filesystem.html
[16:01] <rando25892> but im not sure how you want to remain compliant on linux mint tbf. its just if you do go the route outside package management you are kinda on your own but i do think those are options to try
[16:02] <rando25892> what is wrong with the drive ?
[16:02] <rando25892> just use a boot up disk
[16:02] <rando25892> that never fails
[16:03] <ogurk> looks like it goes together with fsck.mode=force - just don't understand what setting fsck.repair=yes is adding
[16:04] <rando25892> yea its just check your fs you can not have it
[16:05] <rando25892> i think if you leave it on it doesnt hurt
[16:05] <rando25892> probs just take it off
[16:05] <tinyhippo> When I try and print via CUPS, I get the error:     Unsupported format "application/vnd.cups-pdf-banner". - anybody have a suggestion of what I could try to fix it?
[16:07] <rando25892> try another ppd file
[16:07] <rando25892> remove that current printer driver
[16:07] <rando25892> its all it takes
[16:07] <tinyhippo> ok
[16:07] <rando25892> or go the hp-plugin appplication that is bundle with hplip
[16:08] <rando25892> look at the tools in hplip and make sure your printer is fully partially support ...
[16:08] <LenniePike> I have LJ classes 1-6... perhaps I can just try 6?
[16:08] <rando25892> you can always just remove the printer driver
[16:08] <rando25892> if it looks like it could be it try it
[16:08] <tinyhippo> rando25892: I am not sure that a printer driver exists for this printer, for Linux
[16:08] <LenniePike> ok
[16:08] <tinyhippo> it's a Zebra GK420d, a label printer
[16:09] <rando25892> if it works with cups it is support
[16:09] <rando25892> sometimes a third party site will have a list of ppd if its not on your filesystem
[16:09] <rando25892> like for ricoh printers its super easy
[16:11] <genii> You can alsoo just try seeting it as a generic IPP printer with Postscript capability, this works for many of them
[16:11] <rando25892> https://www.zebra.com/us/en/support-downloads/printers/desktop/gk420d.html#downloadlistitem_9aa it has a third party download option
[16:14] <tinyhippo> I'll give it a go, thanks rando25892 and genii
[16:15] <rando25892> LenniePike: does hp-check do anything
[16:15] <rando25892> you can look at this here https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=307295
[16:17] <tinyhippo> it works now, rando25892 and genii  - thanks!
[16:17] <rando25892> youre welcome
[16:23] <LenniePike> I don't know how to use hp-check
[16:23] <LenniePike> I tried all the class drivers but none of them worked
[16:25] <LenniePike> perhaps I need to reinstall hplip using discrete drivers
[16:27] <razorback> I am trying to mount a hfsplus file system in a way that ignores permissions (e.g. the current system user can read and write all files). Which options can I use for mount command to accomplish that? I've already tried uid, gid, umask, mode, setuid, setgid and others but they're either not supported or don't work at all.
[16:28] <rando25892> LenniePike: you make sure the ppd is unpack?
[16:28] <rando25892> what file did you try first?
[16:28] <LenniePike> I tried all the class drivers
[16:28] <rando25892> it ends in ppd or gz?
[16:28] <razorback> I'm just trying to read the file system of an external hard drive without being constrained by permissions
[16:29] <LenniePike> I tried it through the driver search in cups
[16:29] <rando25892> no
[16:29] <rando25892> look in /usr/share/ppd/hp or /usr/share/ppd/HP
[16:29] <oerheks> i think you don't want write access.. else see the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus
[16:30] <LenniePike> it has the class folders there
[16:30] <rando25892> really well just to be sure i would..
[16:30] <rando25892> g unzip it yourself and browse it from home
[16:31] <rando25892> you should be obsessing over HP/hp-laserjet_pro_m404-m405-ps.ppd.gz
[16:31] <rando25892> its fully support it works
[16:32] <LenniePike> each folder has one ppd file with the same name as the folder
[16:32] <rando25892> you only need the ppd file then go through the motion in cups to install
[16:33] <rando25892> its the driver and cups will do the rest basically
[16:33] <rando25892> though there may be perks with hp software you could find also
[16:34] <rando25892> if you didnt find the ppd file
[16:34] <rando25892> find a different hplip in your distro repo
[16:34] <LenniePike> none of the folders have the name of the printer model
[16:34] <rando25892> yea remove hplip
[16:34] <rando25892> and get a diff one
[16:34] <rando25892> then recheck
[16:35] <LenniePike> well I can try it with a different option
[16:35] <rando25892> otherwise
[16:35] <LenniePike> instead of installing the class drivers I can try the discrete drivers
[16:35] <rando25892> wasnt there a manually method to it
[16:35] <LenniePike> I did it manually yes
[16:35] <rando25892> if you find hplip source package unpack it and take it out of there
[16:35] <LenniePike> perhaps I should have chose automatic
[16:36] <LenniePike> but I think the discrete drivers will work
[16:36] <rando25892> https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/install/manual/distros/linuxmint
[16:36] <LenniePike> I believe it will uninstall the old hplip when I reinstall it
[16:37] <oerheks> please, use the ubuntu pages, not that crappy mint, thanks >> https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/install/manual/distros/ubuntu
[16:38] <LenniePike> I'll try it a little later...
[16:39] <LenniePike> I'll come back and let you know if it worked if you are here... I'll have to do it a little later though
[16:39] <LenniePike> thanks very much for your help
[16:39] <rando25892> youre welcome
[16:49] <kotrunga> Hello all. I installed the most recent version of Ubuntu on my macbook pro (early 2015 retina edition). The keyboard and trackpad does not work- can anyone help me?
[16:50] <kotrunga> I'm surprised it does not work out of the box- that version of the macbook pro's was arguably the most popular.
[16:50] <mefistofeles> yeah, that's surprising
[16:50] <mefistofeles> kotrunga: how did you install it? It worked in the live system/installer?
[16:51] <kotrunga> mefistofeles: it did not work in the live installer. I had to use an external keyboard and mouse to install.
[16:52] <kotrunga> I verified the iso after downloading it, and then put it on the flash drive. I've installed linux what feels like 1000 times on other stuff, but it doesn't work on the macbook pro
[16:55] <ioria> kotrunga, see if a custom image might help : https://vinodhsblog.co.za/ubuntu-20-04-lts-on-a-macbook-pro/
[16:57] <kotrunga> ioria: thank you! checking it out now
[16:57] <ioria> ok
[16:58] <kotrunga> I'm really curious why it's not supported out of the box though :(
[17:29] <xok> Hello All...
[17:29] <xok> I am running Ubuntu 20.04, I want to be able to launch applications ( .desktop files ) from the nautilus...
[17:29] <xok> Can anyone help me with that?..
[17:41] <oerheks> xok, nope, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/05/nautilus-will-no-longer-launch-binaries.html
[17:43] <rr123> for ubuntu console(ctrl-alt-f3), is it fbcon? i.e. a tty based off framebuffer?
[17:52] <xok> oerheks, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/05/nautilus-ability-to-launch-binaries-or.html
[17:53] <oerheks> xok, again, no; and it is a bad thing to run nautilus as root or something.
[17:59] <xok> oerheks, who said I want to run it as root?..
[18:00] <xok> How do I run desktop apps from the nautilus then?..
[18:00] <xok> And why is it a good idea to run them from the Desktop and a bad thing to run them from nautilus?..
[18:05] <oerheks> xok, security, answered in that 1st url i posted
[19:36] <SynfulAck> Anyone know how I should install node.js? Apparently I need it to run ansible in vscode through a remote ssh session. Tried running this but it gave me a warning. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yzvjSsDF92/
[19:40] <Squishy> SynfulAck, either install without snap or run it with the '--classic' like it says should do the trick
[19:41] <SynfulAck> Squishy, out of curiosity, how do you install it without snap? The vscode refered me to the node website to download the .tar.gz but i would of thought apt would have something as well but a sudo apt install node yields nothing.
[19:42] <oerheks> snapcraft.io + nodejs
[19:42] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/node
[19:43] <oerheks> and more reading https://snapcraft.io/docs/node-apps
[19:43] <Squishy> that is with snap, without you would need to install a PPA I think if using the 20.04 or later
[19:44] <tomreyn> https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions
[19:44] <tomreyn> there's also nodejs in ubuntu, but those packages will grow older than you probably want
[19:54] <croraf> I'm confused about ubuntu's apt package for "mongodb". When I download it it is version 3.6. And official mongo site says it is not their own recommendation, but they offer a different installation. What is going on?
[19:55] <croraf> Why does Ubuntu not let them to publish deploy the latest version, why does Ubuntu not have the latest version in apt repo, and how to download different mongodb versions?
[19:55] <tomreyn> !latest | croraf
[19:56] <tomreyn> also read up on mongodb + licensing (but that's off-topic here)
[19:56] <croraf> OK, but can I download older version than 3.6?
[19:57] <tomreyn> you didn't even specify your ubuntu release
[19:57] <croraf> Does apt offer managing versions?
[19:57] <croraf> 20.04
[19:57] <tomreyn> !info mongodb focal
[19:57] <sarnold> croraf: you can configure new ppa sources with whatever versions you or someone else has packaged
[19:58] <tomreyn> ...or use this version which is in ubuntu's *universe* repository.
[19:58] <tomreyn> you probably want a PPA, though.
[19:59] <tomreyn> or a third-party repository rather
[20:00] <croraf> I didnt get your last reply, I only got  "or a third-party repository rather" tomreyn
[20:00] <croraf> there was some disconnection in the IRC proxy
[20:01] <tomreyn> croraf: you probably want this https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/ - which is not supported here.
[20:01] <sarnold> < tomreyn> ...or use this version which is in ubuntu's *universe* repository. < tomreyn> you probably want a PPA, though. < tomreyn> or a third-party repository rather
[20:02] <croraf> sarnold, thanks. Last I got from <tomreyn> you didn't even specify your ubuntu release, till my comment that I didnt get his reply
[20:02] <croraf> tomreyn, I want official ubuntu apt version
[20:02] <croraf> I'm asking, can I get different versions form apt, or only the one that apt gives me?
[20:02] <tomreyn> i'd talk to you, but there's no point if your irc bouncer is buggy. ;)
[20:03] <croraf> I just had a minor disconnection from "<tomreyn> you didn't even specify your ubuntu release" till "<croraf> I didnt get your last reply,"
[20:04] <sarnold> croraf: you can install whatever has been packaged
[20:04] <sarnold> croraf: that's a huge universe of things, though
[20:04] <tomreyn> croraf: from ubuntu's repositories, you can (only) get the community supported packages, and for Ubuntu 20.04, there's only this one version ubottu told you about.
[20:04] <sarnold> croraf: there's thousands of ppas, and you can of course set up your own repositories with aptly or apt-ftparchive etc
[20:05] <croraf> I dont want to add ppas. So I'm left only with 3.6
[20:05] <croraf> WHere can I check the Ubuntu's avaialbe versions?
[20:05] <croraf> Is that the universe repository?
[20:06] <legreffier> yes
[20:06] <sarnold> croraf: apt-cache search mongo .. followed by apt-cache show <packagenames>
[20:08] <croraf> sarnold,  So for any other version the package has to be named differently?
[20:08] <croraf> I cannot select between two versions of "mongodb" package?
[20:08] <sarnold> croraf: that'd be best, yes
[20:08] <sarnold> croraf: i fyou want that, you may prefer a snap-packaged mongo
[20:08] <croraf> i heard snaps are bad
[20:09] <croraf> i had also some issues with them
[20:09] <croraf> so I use apt only
[20:09] <legreffier> you can safely use the repository handled by mongodb, they're pretty serious about it. and mongodb recommends it...
[20:09] <legreffier> it should be your prefered if you need a newer mongodb version
[20:09] <croraf> And one last thing, tomreyn, you said that mongodb doesnt ship newer version on Ubuntu repo, because of the licensing issue?
[20:09] <croraf> legreffier, thanks, I see.
[20:09] <legreffier> if version is not a concern, just use ubuntu universe.
[20:10] <croraf> I was confused about all those commands on their site needed for donwload.
[20:10] <legreffier> no. not even licensing :) . only upgrade policy issue.
[20:11] <croraf> legreffier, what do you mean by that?
[20:13] <legreffier> both approach (having newer package from mongodb company, or an older distribution-maintained package from ubuntu) are totally valid.
[20:13] <legreffier> both have pros and cons.
[20:34] <coconut> Is there any policy for when a package has only one instead of two packages in apt with "apt-cache madison"?
[20:39] <sarnold> coconut: well that's handy, thanks
[20:40] <coconut> i do not really have experience with it though :)
[20:42] <oerheks>  apt-cache policy madison
[20:43] <coconut> oerheks, no not the package madison, but the madison tool inside apt-get.
[20:44] <coconut> some packages have only on version, some two
[20:44] <coconut> i was asking myself for why that is\
[20:45] <coconut> was hoping some might know here
[20:46] <legreffier> some packages are present in many repos ?
[20:46] <coconut> legreffier, no the same repo sometimes
[20:47] <coconut> oh i notised it was 64 and 32 bit now.  :D
[20:48] <legreffier> 32 vs 64 bit
[20:51] <coconut> thank you legreffier
[21:06] <croraf> OK, now I tried to install this mongodb-org and my apt got messed up. I have broken packages now
[21:06] <croraf> How to fix that?
[21:07] <croraf> apt --fix-broken install does not work
[21:09] <coconut> croraf, you can only get help here if your repo is default
[21:10] <croraf> what do you mean by default?
[21:11] <croraf> coconut,
[21:11] <coconut> croraf, with default i mean that the sources.list file(s
[21:11] <coconut> croraf, with default i mean that the sources.list file(s) are not modified
[21:11] <oerheks> share the output when you try? paste.ubuntu.com
[21:13] <coconut> coreycb, oerheks is social to you now
[21:14] <croraf> termbin is broken with apt, is that standard?
[21:14] <coconut> pastebinit is an option too
[21:15] <leftyfb> croraf: termbin is broken? How so?
[21:15] <croraf> I noticed that couple of days ago also.
[21:15] <leftyfb> croraf: it's working fine for me
[21:15] <croraf> When I do for example "sudo apt remove mongodb-org | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:15] <leftyfb> croraf: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(sudo apt update )
[21:15] <croraf> it puts part of the content to termbin, and part into the cosole
[21:16] <croraf> leftyfb, why you posted that command?
[21:16] <leftyfb> croraf: that command works fine for me. Try it
[21:17] <croraf> oerheks, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kgYQG6ndTv/
[21:17] <croraf> leftyfb, that command doesnt generate an error
[21:18] <leftyfb> croraf: that's good. Did it give you a termbin.com url and did that url have everything needed from the output of the command?
[21:18] <croraf> leftyfb, and also the warning that apt interface is not stable is shown in the terminal, and the rest is on termbin
[21:18] <croraf> The warning is not shown in the termbin
[21:18] <croraf> for your command. But in the terminal
[21:18] <leftyfb> croraf: that's fine. That's because that's stderr which isn't being redirected in the command
[21:18] <croraf> Oh :(
[21:19] <croraf> I need everything to be directed to termbin, otherwise how to debug
[21:19] <sarnold> don't worry about "this isn't scriptable interface" thing, we've seen that a billion times
[21:20] <leftyfb> croraf: ( sudo apt update ) 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:20] <leftyfb> croraf: that will do what you are looking for then
[21:20] <croraf> thanks.
[21:24] <croraf> oerheks, have you checked my pastebin, what should I do to unblock
[21:24] <croraf> How come do I need to have a dependency installed to uninstall the package?
[21:27] <sarnold> croraf: you didn't give us the link
[21:27] <croraf> I did, above https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kgYQG6ndTv/
[21:29] <oerheks> just run an apt update && apt full-upgrade, and post your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mongodb-org-4.4.list
[21:29] <oerheks> a removal command did not show anything.
[21:31] <sarnold> croraf: ah, I thought you were generating a termbin link but forgot to share that..
[21:31] <sarnold> croraf: try next sudo apt purge mongodb-org mongodb-org-tools
[21:32] <croraf> oerheks, sudo apt update worked fine
[21:33] <croraf> all up to date. And full-upgrade https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jr7gQWwRWF/
[21:34] <croraf> https://termbin.com/wypa
[21:35] <croraf> sarnold, ok I think that unplugged it
[21:38] <croraf> It is working now. THanks guys
[21:38] <sarnold> cool cool
[21:44] <starlinkgazer> im using esxi with 2 ubuntu vm's i have a old ubuntu install still on mobo how to access it? vmware sent me here lol
[21:45] <starlinkgazer> something about rdm
[21:47] <sarnold> starlinkgazer: you'll have to explain what you want a bit better, I think :)
[21:48] <starlinkgazer> ok
[21:48] <starlinkgazer> so i have 2 HDD's on my motherboard
[21:48] <starlinkgazer> 1 is for esxi
[21:48] <starlinkgazer> the other is an old ubuntu server drive
[21:49] <starlinkgazer> i have 2 ubuntu vm's and i wanna access the data on the motherboard to back up up
[21:49] <leftyfb> starlinkgazer: I would suggest booting to a live usb/cd to access the other ubuntu drive. Copy off the data as needed.
[21:50] <starlinkgazer> i dont need to do that i can just boot it
[21:50] <starlinkgazer> lol
[21:50] <starlinkgazer> but im trying to not have downtimew
[21:50] <leftyfb> starlinkgazer: boot the physical machine to a live usb/cd. It'll be easier. Other than that, this is 100% an esxi issue to "attach" a physical storage device to a guest OS. Not related to ubuntu
[21:50] <starlinkgazer> ok ty
[21:51] <leftyfb> starlinkgazer: once your guest OS is attached and you can see it in your guest OS with something like "lsblk" and need help mounting it, come back and we'll help you with that
[22:12] <Rojola> hi
[22:13] <sarnold> hello
[22:13] <Rojola> I realized, that my computer is getting really slow sometimes.  So I ran the command "top" in order to find out more.
[22:13] <Rojola> turned out,  "zammad" is using up most of my CPU power.
[22:14] <Rojola> the problem:  I cannot remember, how I installed zammad.
[22:14] <Rojola> apt purge zammad <== no installed via apt
[22:14] <oerheks> zammad is not in our repositories, see https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-setup-zammad-ticketing-system-on-ubuntu-1604/
[22:14] <Rojola> snap remove zammad <== not installed via snap
[22:14] <sarnold> Rojola: you can find the path to the executable via /proc/pid/cmd
[22:14] <Rojola> thank you oerheks
[22:15] <Rojola> thank you sarnold
[22:15] <sarnold> Rojola: note the pid from top, then ls -l /proc/<whatever>/exe
[22:15] <oerheks> apt-cache policy zammad perhaps?
[22:15] <sarnold> I'm sorry, it's not cmd, it's exe :(
[22:15] <sarnold> stupid fingers
[22:15] <Rojola> just say it was a typo ;)
[22:19] <sarnold> oh no it's escalated way beyond that, the stupid fingers are out to get me
[22:20] <Rojola> sarnold, exe in a linux channel :)
[22:20] <Rojola> sarnold, by way: I solved it
[22:20] <Rojola> thank you oerheks
[22:20] <Rojola> thank you sarnold
[22:20] <oerheks> have fun!
[22:20] <Rojola> by the way: "zammad" is cool.
[22:20] <sarnold> Rojola: excellent :)
[22:20] <Rojola> it's a help desk software
[22:21] <Rojola> but, installing it on a 10-year-old laptop was a bad idea
[22:21] <sarnold> hehe
[22:21] <Budd> According to glxinfo, wayland+gnome gives me much better GL compatibility than X11+gnome, but Gnome is heavy lifting for my old laptop. Is there a lighter-weight WM for wayland on Ubuntu?
[22:21] <sarnold> Budd: sway?
[22:22] <Budd> I'll look for it, though apt doesn't know about it on my (x86) install.
[22:22] <Rojola> can I delete "redis-server" and "ruby" ?
[22:23] <Rojola> they also use up a lot of CPU
[22:23] <Rojola> I don't program in "ruby"
[22:23] <Rojola> but maybe I need it anyway?  Not sure
[22:24] <Budd> Oh, I can't upgrade past 18.04.5, due to old (Atom) hardware. Looks like sway may not be available to me.
[22:24] <sarnold> oh.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sway
[22:24] <sarnold> first introduced in focal
[22:25] <oerheks> !flavors
[22:25] <oerheks> xubuntu or mate are more lightweight desktops
[22:25] <Budd> Rojola: Are you sure it's using CPU? If so, something is clearly using it.
[22:25] <sarnold> Budd: sway was the only other wayland compositor thing I knew about
[22:25] <Rojola> Budd, then I keep it.
[22:25] <Budd> oerheks: thanks
[22:25] <Rojola> Budd, thank you
[22:25] <sarnold> Rojola: it might be better to figure out what they are being used for, and why
[22:26] <sarnold> I don't like surprise software :)
[22:26] <Rojola> I installed a lot of stuff on my laptop without keeping track
[22:26] <Rojola> that's my bad
[22:26] <Budd> I have long wished for a "Why did you just do that?" button on my computer.
[22:26] <Rojola> by the way, you guys just talked out ubuntu flavours
[22:26] <Rojola> concerning a light-weight desktop:
[22:27] <Rojola> TDE (trinity desktop environment) is my go-to  desktop
[22:27] <sarnold> Budd: I'd pay good money for a button like that!
[22:27] <sarnold> Rojola: oh wow that's cool :)
[22:28] <Rojola> sarnold, it must have been more than a decade ago, that Slavek and Tim (two developers) forked the old KDE 3 base when KDE 4 became the new version
[22:28] <Rojola> sarnold, and they kept developing it ever since, and even got new devs on board
[22:29] <sarnold> Rojola: tim was involved in designing and selling these things https://www.raptorcs.com/ -- I learned of TDE after hanging out in that community for a while, hehe :)
[22:30] <Rojola> in German, there is a saying:  "The world is a village"
[22:30] <Rojola> means:  "we all somehow know each other / the same people"
[22:30] <sarnold> IRC certainly is..
[22:37] <Budd> sarnold: Except my version of the button would include an expletive in the phrase.
[22:37] <sarnold> Budd: oh yeah, also helpful :D
[22:54] <codebam1> can someone help me figure out why I can't resolve anything (dns)?
[22:55] <codebam1> I have nameservers set in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf but they aren't working
[22:56] <oerheks> codebam1,  on what type of install? and what version?
[22:57] <jeremy31> codebam1: server?
[22:57] <oerheks> For server use netplan, i guess.
[22:58] <codebam1> it's on an odroid xu4 running ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[22:58] <codebam1> what should /etc/resolv.conf be a symlink to
[22:59] <jeremy31> codebam1: /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[22:59] <codebam1> symlinking it to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf made it work but it's not using DNS over TLS like the /etc/systemd/resolvd.conf says
[22:59] <codebam1> okay let me fix that then
[22:59] <oerheks> don;t use resolv like that, use netplan, or read about "sudo nano /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head" https://www.tecmint.com/set-permanent-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-debian/
[23:01] <codebam1> jeremy31: I set it to that and my nameserver is <IP_ADDRESS> now
[23:01] <codebam1> but nothing resolves
[23:01] <codebam1> systemctl status systemd-resolved says it's running fine
[23:02] <codebam1> according to netstat it's listening on 53
[23:03] <codebam1> or wait it's listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:53
[23:03] <codebam1> which also isn't resolving anything when I test it with `dig @<IP_ADDRESS> example.com`
[23:04] <sarnold> does anything look amiss in resolvectl output?
[23:06] <codebam1> let me pastebin it, but it just says my nameservers are <IP_ADDRESS> and DNS over TLS is enabled
[23:07] <sarnold> a lot of ISPs can't route to <IP_ADDRESS>, are you sure that part works?
[23:07] <codebam1> or actually. it says it's <IP_ADDRESS> according to the link section
[23:07] <codebam1> which is my router
[23:07] <codebam1> yeah my ISP works for <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:07] <codebam1> I've checked before
[23:08] <codebam1> dig @<IP_ADDRESS> whatever.com works
[23:08] <sarnold> okay, cool;' how about your router?
[23:09] <codebam1> it's an edgerouterx that's plugged into the main router, but it worked fine on autoconfig for my desktop when I reinstalled my OS the other day
[23:09] <codebam1> it just lost network connection so I have to reboot it I think
[23:10] <sarnold> heh, sorry, I meant, if resolvectl thinks some dns requests ought to be sent to it, does it handle dns requsts?
[23:11] <sarnold> I never understood systemd-resolved's different dns servers per network link thing, that's completely bonkers to me, but somehow it thinks it knows what it's doing..
[23:11] <codebam1> now I can't ssh into it so I don't know what's wrong.


[01:20] <Keybuk> jbailey: is edgy n-m working for you today?
[01:20] <Keybuk> (on atheros)
[01:50] <mdz> Keybuk:  what was the fuss over nm 0.6.4?  are you saying it could get worse?
[02:23] <Keybuk> mdz: yeah, some of the patches in there is a bit dodgy
[02:23] <Keybuk> and frankly, I don't see the need, given that patch, to break from Debian at this point
[02:23] <Keybuk> NM isn't going to get magically fixed over night
[02:23] <Keybuk> so I don't believe we should spend any particular effort on it, other than keeping it working as it is now
[02:24] <Keybuk> updating ahead of Debian will just make the merge harder for edgy+1
[02:24] <mdz> Keybuk: has netapplet improved any?
[02:26] <Keybuk> netapplet is entirely unmaintained
[02:26] <Keybuk> n-m works for those it works for, and is the best solution
[02:26] <Keybuk> the problem isn't in n-m, the problem is in the kernel
[02:26] <Keybuk> without consistently behaving wireless drivers, it's all just hackery
[05:37] <doko> jbailey: are you going to upload glibc?
[06:31] <jbailey> doko: I sorted out the best way to fix the header problem with Steve Munroe yesterday evening, so yes, soon.
[06:32] <jbailey> I'll have to find my backup gpg key, or get someone to sponsor it though.  My home machine is dead atm.
[06:32] <infinity> jbailey: You can always poke me.
[06:33] <jbailey> infinity: Cool, thanks.
[06:34] <doko> jbailey: please upload the additional /usr/include/powerpc64-linux-gnu link / dir as well. we need both until 3.4 and 4.0 are built again
[06:36] <jbailey> Right.  Ben didn't keep the lkh multi-arch stuff, so that makes that easier too.


[14:33] <mh0> Hi, anyone around?
[14:34] <mh0> I seem to be having a problem with importing Unity into my application :(
[14:35] <qwertzui11> mh0: more details? :)
[14:35] <mh0> could not import gobject (error was: ImportError('When using gi.repository you must not import static modules like "gobject". Please change all occurrences of "import gobject" to "from gi.repository import GObject".',))
[14:35] <mh0> I have this import statement:
[14:36] <mh0> 	from gi.repository import Unity, GObject, Dbusmenu
[14:36] <mh0> Which I recall is from developer.ubuntu.com
[14:36] <qwertzui11> hmm... im no python expert, may u post the tut-url?
[14:36] <mh0> (I have it in a try/except block too, if you wonder why i'm getting a little weird ImportError)
[14:37] <mh0> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/launcher/
[14:37] <mh0> Too it from the example code at the bottom
[14:37] <mh0> Took*
[14:38] <qwertzui11> and ofc u did install the dependencies?
[14:38] <mh0> I'm sure all the dependencies are installed already, however, I may have missed a few.. Could I grab a link?
[14:39] <mh0> If it's a dependency problem i'm gonna feel so dumb :P
[14:39] <qwertzui11> hehe
[14:40] <mh0> qwertzui11: Do you have a link? :)
[14:40] <qwertzui11> mh0: nope... I guess
[14:40] <qwertzui11> from gi.repository import Unity, Dbusmenu
[14:40] <qwertzui11> doesn't work either?
[14:40] <mh0> Lemme try
[14:41] <qwertzui11> the error sys there's a problem with GObject...
[14:41] <mh0> could not import gobject (error was: ImportError('When using gi.repository you must not import static modules like "gobject". Please change all occurrences of "import gobject" to "from gi.repository import GObject".',))
[14:41] <mh0> Same error :(
[14:41] <qwertzui11> hmm... sry, maybe someone else can help.
[14:43] <mh0> Hm, If this fixes things I'm gonna feel so dumb :P
[14:43] <qwertzui11> :)
[14:43] <mh0> Gonna install libunity-dev
[14:43] <mh0> Although not sure if it's for Python
[14:45] <mh0> Oh dear, seems to have installed libdbusmenu-dev too, oops - this could have been what was wrong :P
[14:46] <mh0> Ah, still not fixed
[14:46] <qwertzui11> hrm
[14:57] <geohhot> .part
[14:58] <danialjose> How to toolbutton label in glade interface desigher?
[15:03] <mh0> danialjose: I'm not sure what you mean
[15:04] <danialjose> How to edit  toolbutton label in glade interface desigher?
[15:04] <danialjose> I'm following this tutorial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO8hiPreNBg butt stuck with this part
[15:11] <mh0> qwertzui11: I got that error away! :D
[15:11] <mh0> qwertzui11: What I did was insert the "import gtk" statement AFTER the gi.repository one
[15:11] <mh0> But now I have a new problem, this may seem familiar to you :)
[15:11] <mh0> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gobject/constants.py:24: Warning: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed
[15:12] <mh0>   import gobject._gobject
[15:12] <qwertzui11> mh0: congrats... but watchout... there's a difference between gtk and Gtk... "gtk" is obsolet
[15:14] <mh0> Gtk is GTK3, right?
[15:14] <qwertzui11> right
[15:14] <mh0> where gtk is well, gtk2
[15:14] <mh0> right ok
[15:14] <qwertzui11> right
[15:14] <mh0> Good to know
[15:14] <mh0> :)
[15:15] <qwertzui11> https://live.gnome.org/PyGObject
[15:15] <qwertzui11> https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html
[15:16] <qwertzui11> the latest kind is called: PyGObject
[15:16] <qwertzui11> i worked with the second link, quite successfully.. has several nice tuts for Gtk3 with phytin
[15:22] <mh0> Hmm
[15:22] <mh0> Looks like it's like gtk2 syntax
[15:23] <mh0> However, It seems to want to use gtk2 :(
[15:23] <mh0> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:40: Warning: specified class size for type `PyGtkGenericCellRenderer' is smaller than the parent type's `GtkCellRenderer' class size
[15:23] <mh0>   from gtk import _gtk
[15:23] <mh0> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:40: Warning: g_type_get_qdata: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[15:23] <mh0>   from gtk import _gtk
[15:23] <mh0> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:23] <qwertzui11> dont import gtk... import Gtk
[15:23] <mh0> I did from gi.repository import Gtk
[15:24] <qwertzui11> #!/usr/bin/python
[15:24] <qwertzui11> from gi.repository import Gtk
[15:24] <qwertzui11> win = Gtk.Window()
[15:24] <qwertzui11> win.connect("delete-event", Gtk.main_quit)
[15:24] <qwertzui11> win.show_all()
[15:24] <qwertzui11> Gtk.main()
[15:24] <qwertzui11> https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/introduction.html#simple-example
[15:25] <mh0> I'll run that -  see what respults from it
[15:41] <mh0> That worked fine
[15:41] <mh0> but my app, still nothin'
[15:44] <mh0> AHA!
[15:44] <mh0> qwertzui11: I found out why it segfaulted
[15:44] <qwertzui11> mh0: :)
[15:44] <mh0> I was using the mixture of Gtk and old webkit
[15:44] <mh0> Now I use WebKit and Gtk
[15:44] <mh0> works :)
[15:44] <qwertzui11> congrats!
[17:33] <mh0> I'm having some groovy Gtk3 behaviour...
[17:33] <mh0> When I maximise the window, I can't make it smaller
[17:33] <mh0> In fact, the maximise button is gone when i restore the window


[02:55] <bjsnider> pepee, know how to make a debdiff?
[02:55] <bjsnider> if not there's a wiki page for it
[02:55] <pepee> bjsnider, reading
[02:56] <bjsnider> coolio
[02:58] <pepee> bjsnider, what's this for? testing that bug?
[02:59] <bjsnider> real good way to get them to accept a patch
[02:59] <bjsnider> i've done it before
[03:00] <pepee> ah k
[03:01] <bjsnider> if you attach the debdiff you're doing almost all the work for them
[03:01] <bjsnider> does the patch apply?
[03:01] <pepee> isn't easier to just give them the patch?
[03:01] <bjsnider> no
[03:01] <bjsnider> well, it's easier on you
[03:01] <bjsnider> but you're trying to get the patch accepted
[03:03] <pepee> but this is for binary files, right?
[03:04] <pepee> wow, that was quick, the fix got released...
[03:04] <bjsnider> what?
[03:05] <pepee> I reported this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1232557
[03:05] <pepee> 6 hrs ago...
[03:07] <bjsnider> well, the importance was critical right?
[03:09] <pepee> well, not really, but I wanted to report it for people to have a working distro...
[03:09] <pepee> out of the box
[03:12] <bjsnider> xorg went down when closing any video player?
[03:12] <pepee> when using opengl apps I think
[03:12] <pepee> not sure though, I don't really understand it
[03:45] <bjsnider> pepee, i misunderstood something you wrote earlier about using a custom build with ppas. thought you were an expert
[03:45] <bjsnider> more or less
[03:45] <pepee> ah, heh
[03:45] <pepee> nah, I barely know how to follow instructions
[03:46] <pepee> and a bit of programming... but I hate coding
[03:51] <bjsnider> how did you get to the point where you were running a custom build?
[03:57] <pepee> looked at the buildlogs, executed the commands shown there
[03:58] <bjsnider> pardon me?
[03:58] <pepee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1232557/comments/15
[03:59] <pepee> ah, "custom build" = old, patched version of the package
[04:00] <bjsnider> oh, i misunderstood again
[04:00] <bjsnider> i thought by that you grabbed a newer git snapshot and so forth
[04:00] <pepee> nah, I've had bad experiences with that :(
[04:01] <bjsnider> doing that successfully would be a much bigger meal than patching something
[04:01] <pepee> someone told me about checkinstall
[04:01] <pepee> worked fine for one package, but I couldn't build some other ones
[04:02] <pepee> unknown dependencies is the hardest thing I've hit...
[04:02] <pepee> but I have a bunch of programs from repos running just fine, just not packaged
[04:02] <pepee> I don't understand the packaging system... I just know how to use it
[04:05] <bjsnider> yeah well you can use apt-get build-dep to install dependencies
[04:05] <pepee> yeah, but sometimes... there are no packages for that :(
[04:06] <bjsnider> you can use dpkg-buildpackage to build a deb based on the code you get from git
[04:06] <bjsnider> you've got to have build-essential installed and whatnot
[04:06] <pepee> for example, a couple days ago I wanted to test the mesa implementation of opencl
[04:06] <pepee> you have to configure dpkg-buildpackage first, right?
[04:07] <pepee> make a debian/ folder and so on
[04:08] <bjsnider> just use the existing one you get by doing apt-get source
[04:08] <pepee> well, I needed some lib for opencl, libclc which is not in the repos
[04:08] <bjsnider> you don't have to create your own packaging scripts from scratch
[04:08] <pepee> hmm, is there anything I could read about this?
[04:09] <bjsnider> somewhere out there
[04:09] <bjsnider> apt-get source gets you the package's orig tarball, which is untouched code, and the packaging scripts
[04:10] <bjsnider> then ytou could grab newer code and try building that version
[04:10] <pepee> yeah, I mean, I dunno what to do when some deps are not in the repos
[04:11] <pepee> and I don't like to mess too much with the system
[04:11] <pepee> I've hed bad experiences in the past, lol
[04:11] <pepee> *had
[04:11] <bjsnider> you could look to see if the lib is in debian experimental yet
[04:11] <pepee> I've been using this same system since like 8.04 I think
[04:12] <pepee> or 10.04, not sure...
[04:13] <bjsnider> not sure i understand your point
[04:13] <pepee> I've upgraded lots of times, and sometimes, old changes lead to... bad things
[04:13] <pepee> :P
[04:14] <bjsnider> you're not going to break your system by installing a lib the rest of your system hasn't heard of
[04:14] <bjsnider> libs just sit there
[04:15] <pepee> ah k
[04:15] <bjsnider> if you uninstall upstart and update to the latest systemd, that could cause some issues
[04:16] <pepee> I could just use VMs or chroots, but it would be a waste of resources..
[04:18] <pepee> btw, do you know about how mesa is updated in ubuntu?
[04:19] <pepee> I wish I could try the new directx implementation, and this opencl thing too..
[05:00] <tjaalton> if xorg-edgers has a newer mesa then just try that
[05:01] <tjaalton> it's a lot harder pkg to manage than a simple driver
[05:03] <pepee> well, xorg-edgers mesa package is ~1 month old
[05:04] <pepee> mesa from oibaf's ppa is the most recent one I think
[05:04] <tjaalton> ok
[05:05] <tjaalton> he's trying to monetize the effort, and doesn't help us in any way
[05:06] <tjaalton> hmm was that right
[05:13] <tjaalton> and due to that his packages might conflict with official ones, like with glamor now
[05:14] <pepee> well, he doesn't have packages for saucy..
[05:17] <tjaalton> ok


[14:38] <bilalakhtar> Has anyone seen seb here lately?
[14:39] <vish> bilalakhtar: he is on vacation
[14:39] <bilalakhtar> vish: why is everyone on vacations right now? The season is over, I suppose
[14:40] <vish> bilalakhtar: not sure.. ;)
[14:40] <bilalakhtar> dholbach should come back soon, he is being awaited a LOT
[14:41] <bilalakhtar> The sponsoring overview is down for almost 2 weeks now
[14:45] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bdrung/sponsoring/
[14:45] <ari-tczew> temporary sponsoring overview by bdrung_
[14:45] <bilalakhtar> bdrung_: Thanks for that, and ari-tczew, same to you !
[14:47] <bdrung_> bilalakhtar: np, it took me only a half hour to find the right fix for the sponsoring overview
[14:47] <bilalakhtar> bdrung_: What was it?
[14:48] <bdrung_> bilalakhtar: a merge proposal that targets debian. the sponsor overview tried to get the series from the ubuntu distro instead of debian distro.
[14:49] <bilalakhtar> oh, so it resulted in errors, I suppose
[14:50] <bdrung_> bilalakhtar: it crashed and that's the reason why the official page is not updated
[14:50] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[14:50] <bilalakhtar> and dholbach deserted it in that condition :(
[14:52] <kklimonda> well, people are entitled to vacations from time to time.
[14:58]  * devildante likes the transparent borders of not focused windows
[14:58] <devildante> whoever did that, I thank him :)
[15:02] <vish> devildante: screenshot?
[15:03]  * vish doesnt use defaults and often not easy to notice changes ;p
[15:03] <devildante> vish: http://imgur.com/CF5Eu.png
[15:04] <devildante> makes you want to use the default now :p
[15:04] <vish> devildante: huh! thats such an old trick ;p
[15:04] <vish> devildante: you could always change the metacity opacity for a very long time.. its been used since dust themes came ;)
[15:04] <devildante> ah
[15:05] <devildante> but it's by default now, so it's even more awesome :)
[15:05] <vish> :)
[15:06] <vish> devildante: is that cairo-dock there? ;)
[15:06] <devildante> vish: docky :)
[15:06] <vish> pff ;p
[15:07] <devildante> IMO, cairo-dock is too much configurable, and you get lost easily
[15:07] <vish> yea, its easy to get lost..
[15:08] <vish> devildante: but you can never find two identical cairo-docks.. atleast i havent yet seen two similar docks ;)  and most of the new docks just take features from it..
[15:08] <devildante> It's not the first one to implement a new feature which is better ; you must implement it well
[15:09] <bcurtiswx> i <3 docky
[15:09] <vish> haha! its done well, but people dont notice it much ;p
[15:09] <devildante> yay bcurtiswx
[15:09] <vish> simpletons ! ;p
[15:11] <devildante> IMO (again), docky is THE competitor to apple's dock, this because of its simplicity, and because it's just better [/troll]
[15:12] <bcurtiswx> http://imgur.com/rY5ne.jpg :D
[15:12] <OwaisL> Yes, it's better than mac dock
[15:15] <bcurtiswx> noone likes my epically awesome wallpaper? :(
[15:16] <OwaisL> haha
[15:16] <devildante> bcurtiswx: very great
[15:18] <OwaisL> check mine: http://i.imgur.com/D1Gd2.png
[15:19]  * bcurtiswx puts on sunglasses for that bright thing :P
[15:24] <vish> bcurtiswx: hehe! ranting on the default wallpaper eh? ;p
[15:43] <devildante> bcurtiswx: you shouldn't do that, the default wallpaper is GREAT :)
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> haha, nah, i'm glad it was "updated"
[16:47] <devildante> oh come on, mpt just went and he's gone?
[16:47]  * devildante cries :p