[06:06] <G_Unit> Hi, has anyone have any experiance on using Ubuntu 10 for a central syslog server using MySQL to log to?
[06:20] <Chat6794> hmmmm
[07:03] <superfly> G_Unit: nope, not specifically, but I don't imagine it to be too hard, I'm sure Google can help you out
[07:06] <G_Unit> that is where I need help with, if someone can point me in a direction to go look or a diff channel, it would be great
[07:07] <superfly> Maaz: google for Ubuntu syslog server
[07:07] <Maaz> superfly: "Setting Up A Central Syslog Server - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Setting-Up-a-Central-Syslog-Server-44063.shtml :: "How to setup syslog server in UBuntu - Techie Corner" http://www.techiecorner.com/1479/how-to-setup-syslog-server-in-ubuntu/ :: "[ubuntu] How to set up ubuntu syslog server for nexus1kv? - Ubuntu ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1459762 :: "Bacon and Tech » Blog Archive » Quick Guide: Ub
[07:07] <superfly> Those look promising, how about trying to Google some more?
[07:08] <nlsthzn> Maaz is the awesome
[07:09] <superfly> So is Google
[07:11] <nlsthzn> superfly: Google is the new evil (MS has lost the crown :p)
[07:12] <superfly> nlsthzn: why is that?
[07:12] <superfly> (I would actually say that Apple is the Evil, and has always been)
[07:13] <Vhata> superfly: why is that?
[07:13]  * Vhata is intrigued by both claims
[07:13] <nlsthzn> superfly: You know the saying that power corrupts right and what they say about absolute power...
[07:13] <superfly> Vhata: they specialise in vendor lock-in
[07:13] <linuxboy> superfly: and other companies don't?
[07:13] <superfly> linuxboy: less so
[07:14] <superfly> not saying no one else is doing it... just that Apple does it particularly well ;-)
[07:14] <Vhata> superfly: they have enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world
[07:14] <superfly> Vhata: you mean Windows has no independent developers?
[07:15] <Vhata> superfly: it does, but it's ridiculously hard for them to distribute their software, or receive payment for it
[07:15] <Vhata> in addition, Apple is singlehandedly responsible for ridding the world of DRM'd music
[07:15] <superfly> Vhata: the shareware world has been going strong for many years
[07:15] <Vhata> superfly: what does 'the shareware world' have to do with ease-of-distribution and ease-of-taking-payment?
[07:16] <superfly> Vhata: eh, I'm not entirely convinced about that one... though I won't discount that they had a hand in it
[07:17] <superfly> Vhata: apparently some people say that Windows has the easiest distribution method - just download the installer and run it
[07:18] <Vhata> download it from where?
[07:18] <Vhata> (anybody who says that has never clicked "install" on the mac store/iphone app store)  (or installed anything on linux for that matter)
[07:19] <linuxboy> I had to give apple my credit card details before I could quickly and easily click "install" on a free app
[07:19] <superfly> Vhata: download it from the gazillions of shareware sites out there
[07:19] <linuxboy> that sort of sucked
[07:20] <Vhata> superfly: but which one?  how do I find the app?  where do I look?  which app do I install, since there are gazillions of shareware sites and I have no real way of knowing which one to go to or which apps are good?
[07:21] <Vhata> superfly: that's exactly the point - it's impossible to get your app out there unless you go and upload it to all gazillion shareware sites or whatever, and even then, there's no real discoverability for users
[07:21] <Vhata> anyway, that aside, how do you take payment now?   ask the user to mail you a cheque?  sign up for paypal (won't work in SA)?
[07:22] <superfly> Vhata: do you have to pay to put an app in Apple's App Store?
[07:22] <superfly> and what if I don't want to use ObjectiveC? I don't have a choice
[07:22] <Vhata> I don't know, but I suspect you have to buy a license for the developer SDK or whatever.
[07:22] <Vhata> you do have a choice, you can write in a bunch of languages as far as I know
[07:23] <superfly> As far as I am aware, the license details were updated recently to say you can only use ObjectiveC
[07:23] <superfly> or something like that... it seriously cut down the number of options available
[07:23] <Vhata> maybe so
[07:24] <Vhata> anyway, I was saying that Apple had enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world
[07:24] <Vhata> pointing out flaws does not invalidate that
[07:24] <superfly> I don't need to buy some developer license to develop Windows apps
[07:24] <Vhata> no, you don't, but good luck getting anybody to use your app, or pay you for it.
[07:25] <superfly> I have personal experience of both
[07:25] <superfly> *shrug* just because there are flaws in the shareware model doesn't invalidate it
[07:26] <Vhata> I can't think of any "14 year old kid becomes rich from shareware game" stories
[07:26] <superfly> what does that have to do with anything?
[07:27] <Vhata> there are dozens of stories of people getting rich from making iphone apps
[07:27] <superfly> I'm sure I can pull out various success stories from shareware too
[07:27] <Vhata> I'm not sure you can
[07:28] <superfly> shareware is also a lot older than apple's app store, and thus these days is extremely diluted
[07:28] <Vhata> if we're trying to see which software channel enables the developer more, we look for which channel has produced more success stories, and it seems quite clear that it's the apple channel
[07:28] <linuxboy> Duke Nukem Forevers failure was due to the success of shareware software
[07:29] <superfly> Vhata: it depends on your perspective... if you're measuring developer enablement (is that a word?) by success stories, then sure... I'm sure you can measure it other ways as well
[07:30] <Vhata> anyway, I'm just countering your vendor-lockin=evil argument
[07:30] <superfly> you could say that shareware wins because there are more windows shareware apps than currently in the app store
[07:30] <Vhata> I'd love to hear why nlsthzn thinks Google is the new evil
[07:31] <nlsthzn> Vhata: I did answer higher up :p (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely)... Google is currently like a bulldozer... does what it wants, when it wants... This normally doesn't end well...
[07:32] <Vhata> so, Canonical/Ubuntu is evil?
[07:33] <nlsthzn> Vhata: lol, Canonical is powerfull... absolute... I don't see it (but ask many others in FOSS and they might say they are :p)
[07:33] <Vhata> nlsthzn: your only argument for why Google is evil is "it has power, which corrupts".  Thus, anything with power must be evil.  Thus, Canonical is evil.
[07:34] <Vhata> but "you don't see it", so you must actually have some other criterion for saying whether something is evil
[07:34] <Vhata> what is it?
[07:34] <linuxboy> Canonical just tossed out gnome-shell. They did what they want, when they want. By nlsthzn's logic they are as evil as google.
[07:34] <Vhata> linuxboy: that's what I'm saying
[07:36] <nlsthzn> I don't think doing what you want = to power which doesn't directly = "evil" ... but the more "powerful" you become the more you feel that "the rules" don't apply to you...
[07:36] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: have you read the google story?
[07:37] <nlsthzn> linuxboy: no
[07:37] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: do it
[07:39] <Vhata> nlsthzn: you're still saying that they're evil just because they have a lot of sway
[07:39] <Vhata> nlsthzn: yet we have cases of them using their sway like this:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/19/20060119-105801-2649r/
[07:39] <Vhata> or using it to make sure that that band of wifi was left unlicenced
[07:40] <nlsthzn> sorry (natty went a bit wonky)
[07:40] <Vhata> I blame evil Canonical for that
[07:41] <nlsthzn> I think it is the revenge of RMS but hey, that's just me...
[07:41] <nlsthzn> (in this case it is more an issue with Empathy and typing more than one line of text for IRC actually)
[07:46] <nlsthzn> Vhata: Seems that my comment hit a nerve (or pet peeve) of yours, sorry about that... but I mostly say that in jest, I am very much dependent on Google for a lot of the excellent services they have freely
[07:46] <Vhata> why would you apologise for having an opinion?
[07:47] <Vhata> you didn't hit a nerve at all, I was just asking you to give evidence for your statement (just as I asked superfly to)
[07:47] <Vhata> I would've asked you the same if you'd said UNICEF was the new evil
[07:48] <nlsthzn> Vhata: k, cool...
[07:48] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: have you ever seen the work that google are putting into: faster internet, ipv6, web standards... the list goes on
[07:49] <nlsthzn> linuxboy: sure Google is doing great and awesome things... but when one entity gets to big and powerful and nothing can touch them things tend to go iffy
[07:50] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: are you basing this on Science?
[07:50] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: can you show me history that says that this will happen?
[07:50] <Vhata> linuxboy: nlsthzn is saying Google is the new evil because one day they are going to start doing evil things
[07:51] <Vhata> or, they probably are.
[07:51] <Vhata> we should have smothered them at birth to stop their future (probable) misdeeds!
[07:53]  * nlsthzn dons his prophetic robe: "Mark my words... !!"
[08:03] <nlsthzn> Vhata: I get your point... and can't argue against it (well, with anything sensible)... Let us hope what I say is just silly rambling and Google stays awesome and shows the world how it should be done
[10:17] <Vhata> superfly: http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2011/3/14/apples-role-in-japan-during-the-tohoku-earthquake.html  ;-)
[10:24] <superfly> Vhata: golly, that just totally makes Apple cool and unevil :-P
[10:26] <Vhata> I think defeating DRM and putting software and music publishing in the hands of the independent artist/developer is what does that, but helping people in the earthquake is cool too :P
[12:07] <drubin> Vhata: wow.
[13:39]  * Symmetria stares at www.myadsl.co.za and shakes his head in disbelief
[13:40] <Symmetria> let me state, eduroam is in a pilot, it is not live, it is not an operational service, and that article is extremely misleading
[13:55] <queery> maaz, coffee on
[13:55]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[14:06] <queery> thank you maaz
[14:06] <queery> maaz, thank you
[14:06] <Maaz> queery: Sure
[14:20]  * Symmetria seethes
[14:20] <Symmetria> I swear, microsoft needs to release windows ME for cisco routers, they will be more stable running that :P
[14:20]  * Symmetria hates
[19:51]  * inetpro wonders why many youtube videos have turned red these days


 !es | Austin
 Austin: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[16:40] <TheLordOfTime> oops sorry that was directed for -ops
[16:40] <TheLordOfTime> stupid touchpad
[20:17] <HakanS> Can someone help to ban a person in our channel?
[20:17] <HakanS> We have no operators in our channel right now.
[20:17] <Fuchs> (it is #ubuntu-se, the Ubuntu IRC Council is on the list,
[20:17] <Fuchs> and if I might poke, staff aren't. So if you are looking at it, you might want to change that as well)
[20:18]  * Fuchs looks at nicklist, then AlanBell
[20:19] <AlanBell> o/
[20:19] <Fuchs> :)
[20:20] <AlanBell> hi HakanS
[20:21] <HakanS> hi AlanBell.
[20:21] <HakanS> We have a person in our channel who is behaving bad. He is talking very dirty.
[20:22] <AlanBell> who is that then, and have they been asked nicely to stop?
[20:22] <HakanS> The channel is #ubuntu-se and the person is Uuni. Yes we have told him to stop.
[20:22] <AlanBell> and are they talking about Ubuntu, or just random abuse?
[20:23] <HakanS> He is repeating the words "cocks" and "nigro balls".
[20:24] <HakanS> He is not talking about ubuntu at all.
[20:26]  * AlanBell looks at the logs
[20:29] <Myrtti> yeah, that is nasty
[20:29] <AlanBell> hi Myrtti
[20:30] <AlanBell> I added freenode staff to the access list
[20:30] <HakanS> Myrtti: He say that he is from Finland.
[20:30] <Fuchs> AlanBell: thanks :)
[20:30] <Myrtti> well his nickname is "Oven" in Finnish
[20:30] <Fuchs> AlanBell: and we seem to have a few swedish speakers and finnish speakers around now
[20:30] <AlanBell> not especially keen to wade in talking english and banning people :)
[20:31] <Fuchs> so I leave that to you / them
[20:31] <Fuchs> thanks a lot :)
[20:32] <AlanBell> Myrtti: do you want to deal with this one or do you want me to do it?
[20:33] <HakanS> Thanks for your help.
[20:33] <Myrtti> I can have a look but I'm also holding my sister's hand while she is writing a CV
[20:33] <Myrtti> so I can't promise full commitment
[20:37] <Unit193> christel: Sorry for being offtopic, but since your nick reminds me of the person in "Mr Sunshine", when you joined my mind did the themes "Mr Sunshine, yay!" </offtopic>
[20:37] <christel> haha
[20:38] <Myrtti> all I can think of is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc
[20:38] <Fuchs> christel is our network wide sunshine, yes
[20:38] <Myrtti> ALL HAIL HYPNOTOAD^WCHRISTEL
[20:42] <Myrtti> as was to be expected, the troll promptly shut his face once the cavalry arrived
[20:42] <christel> <3
[20:43]  * guntbert_ can still hear the trumpets
[20:46] <HakanS> Myrtti: All became silent when the cavalry arrived
[21:09] <Fuchs> heh
[21:09] <Fuchs> zAlanBell: okay, who of us informed you?
[21:09] <Fuchs> my first guess starts with ch
[21:12]  * AlanBell always likes to be well informed
[21:12] <Fuchs> I noticed, yes :)
[21:12] <Fuchs> on the other hand, I am informed on how well you do on pronouncing my nick
[21:12] <Fuchs> I think we should meet for a beer or two
[21:14] <AlanBell> an excellent idea :)
[21:14] <Fuchs> indeed! :)
[21:14] <christel> :o
[21:14] <Fuchs> christel: don't worry, I won't hurt him
[21:14] <Fuchs> neither do other funny things to him
[21:15] <christel> i should hope not, i'd be most embarassed if you went around upsetting our users! ;)
[21:17] <Fuchs> the ones I met so far were _very_ pleased!
[22:18] <k1l_> Fuchs: mute silverghost too please. trolliing too
[22:19] <Fuchs> k1l_: I prefer the ubuntu ops doing that, with tuxhat it was very obvious against the rules, the other guy just appears to be rather offtopic
[22:31] <Fuchs> okay, nevermind that
[22:31] <Fuchs> as you might have noticed, I quieted both


[00:10] <tsimonq2> can anyone help me as in the install path of libmenu-cache
[00:10] <tsimonq2> ?
[02:45] <tsimonq2> how would I import a git repo into a Launchpad ppa?
[09:53] <hjd> Hello, could someone please trigger a rebuild of r-bioc-genomicfeatures in Xenial? :) I think it might work better since one of the dependencies have been synced and now fulfills the version requirement.
[10:18] <ginggs> hjd: queued
[10:25] <ginggs> hjd: built
[10:26] <hjd> ginggs: Thank you :)
[10:27] <ginggs> hjd: yw
[20:50] <pitti> slangasek: yes, that's normal; binNEW alwasys shows all auto-generated -dbgsym packages
[20:51] <pitti> slangasek: systemd networkd test failure> nope, that just randomly happens, that test has a race condition
[20:52] <pitti> slangasek: I retried it yesterday already
[20:52] <pitti> (succeeded)


[00:00] <sevynos> btw, is this procedure good for a lvm partition?
[00:01] <tomreyn> sevynos: you'll need to enable any and all such intermediary layers from the live cd, too, as you would during the normal boot.
[00:03] <tomreyn> i.e. assemble raid, 'open' full disk encryption, detect and activate existing LVM2 PVs, VGs, LVs
[00:06] <sevynos> ok, I'll look at that. thanks
[00:09] <tomreyn> basically thats pvscan + lvchange -ay YourVolumeGroupNameGoesHere
[00:42] <Mr_Pan> loadmod sasl
[09:50] <SSMAdmin> Hi all.  I try to motivate my fb-network to migrate to Mastodon. To make the transition as easy as possible for them, I offer a Mastodon installation where I want to integrate a LIVE SUPPORT CHAT APPLET. However, there is some Content Security Policy running in Mastodon that prevents me to run this javascript live support chat applet.  How do I change this so this applet can be allowed to run?
[11:35] <zzarr_> Hello!
[11:35] <zzarr_> I have installed ubuntu-server un a HP laptop (Probook 4330s)
[11:36] <zzarr_> but it will not boot
[12:44] <blackflow> zzarr_: can you elaborate? is there an error displayed?
[12:49] <zzarr_> no, the computer says there's no bootable device
[12:49] <zzarr_> it's a non-efi bios
[12:50] <blackflow> zzarr_: did you choose wrong driver for GRUB installation?
[12:51] <blackflow> I am assuming the USB stick booted fine, installer worked, but after reboot, it fails like this?
[12:51] <zzarr_> no, there's only one, I used the entire disk
[12:51] <blackflow> wrong *drive
[12:51] <zzarr_> yes, the usb drive boots fine
[12:52] <blackflow> zzarr_: and grub was installed to _disk_ not to a partition?
[12:52] <zzarr_> yes
[12:53] <zzarr_> it's server 18.04.1 I installed
[12:57] <blackflow> zzarr_: can you boot into a rescue environment and pastebin partitioning summary on the drive? eg. the output of   parted /dev/sda unit mib print
[12:57] <blackflow> from what you said I'm guessing maybe that computer has trouble with legacy (bios) boot or the installer was run under EFI and it installed EFI and you're trying legacy/BIOS boot
[12:58] <zzarr_> yes
[12:59] <zzarr_> there's no efi (no /boot/efi)
[13:00] <blackflow> pastebin the output of that command, please
[13:02] <zzarr_> I will
[13:10] <zzarr_> https://pastebin.com/hKjbwjcB
[13:11] <zzarr_> sorry that it took time, the network was not correctly setup
[13:20] <blackflow> zzarr_: looks okay, so it doesn't make any sense, unless grub is not really installed on that drive.
[13:21] <zzarr_> it should be, there was no error message while installing
[13:21] <blackflow> zzarr_: from the rescue environment, you can mount and chroot into root (don't forget to bind-mount /proc, /sys and /dev into the chroot), and retry grub-install
[13:22] <blackflow> assuming of course you checked the most obvious, like boot device in bios. Is it trying that SSD at all.
[13:22] <zzarr_> yes
[13:23] <zzarr_> I have had Ubuntu installed on the machine on that very drive earlier and it was booting just fine :)
[13:23] <zzarr_> (Ubuntu Desktop)
[13:27] <zzarr_> it installed just fine
[13:28] <zzarr_> if it does not work, could I use another bootloader?
[13:29] <blackflow> you shouldn't. grub is not an issue here, except maybe it not being installed properly.
[13:29] <zzarr_> it says that it's installed correctly
[13:30] <blackflow> there's no difference between ubuntu desktop and service in that part (and in general only difference is packages and configurations installed atop of ubuntu-minimal, grub and the kernel)
[13:31] <blackflow> zzarr_: you tried it in a chroot?
[13:31] <zzarr_> I know, but I installed Ubuntu desktop a while back
[13:32] <zzarr_> you mean grub-install?
[13:32] <blackflow> yes
[13:32] <zzarr_> in that case yes
[13:32] <blackflow> and rebooted, and it still doens't find the boot device?
[13:32] <zzarr_> I bind-mounted /proc, /dev and /sys
[13:32] <zzarr_> yes
[13:33] <blackflow> try plugging that SSD into another machine and see if it boots there.
[13:33] <blackflow> oh, wait, one more thing.... how old is that machine?
[13:33] <zzarr_> 2011
[13:33] <zzarr_> (I think)
[13:34] <blackflow> is it possible that the bios can't read GPT?
[13:34] <blackflow> previous Ubuntu (Desktop) versions by default installed with MBR scheme
[13:34] <zzarr_> I guess so
[13:35] <blackflow> frankly, I don't know if MBR is still used or not, I haven't run the default installer in Ubuntu for long time, I use debootstrap or manual partitioning (because FDE with external USB /boot)
[13:35] <zzarr_> if I reinstall it' can I select MBR instead it GPT?
[13:35] <blackflow> I don't know if there's an option. If ther isn't, you'll have to partition manually and then have the installer use existing partitions for the filesystem
[13:35] <zzarr_> well, that would be an option
[13:37] <zzarr_> I have to go soon, but, I'll try the installer and see if' there's a MBR option
[13:37] <zzarr_> other whys I will debootstrap and make a manual install
[13:41] <SSMAdmin> Hi all.  I try to motivate my fb-network to migrate to Mastodon. To make the transition as easy as possible for them, I offer a Mastodon installation where I want to integrate a LIVE SUPPORT CHAT APPLET. However, there is some Content Security Policy running in Mastodon that prevents me to run this javascript live support chat applet.  How do I change this so this applet can be allowed to run?
[15:52] <cryptodan_mobile> Install with efi and it will format the drive as gpt
[15:58] <tomreyn> SSMAdmin: change mastodon's CSP to allow the javascript, or use a chat which doesn't require injecting javascript, or run the chat in a separate browser window / tab. and no, this is hardly an #ubuntu-server question, maybe one for the chat applications' or mastodon's support chat.
[16:24] <SSMAdmin> @tomreyn thank you for answering, and please accept my apology.  I am deeply sorry to have posted in the wrong channel, I thought I was posting in #mastodon.
[16:25] <tomreyn> SSMAdmin: hehe, no problem, glad i could point this out then.
[16:26] <SSMAdmin> @tomreyn thank you :-)
[17:45] <zzarr_> I'm back
[17:45] <zzarr_> I managed to install the system and grub "yay"
[17:46] <zzarr_> just forgot about a small thing... the kernel
[18:04] <tomreyn> minor issues ;)
[18:06] <zzarr_> I fixed that, now I just need to understand how to bring an network device up so I the machine get's an ip
[18:07] <tomreyn> depends much on the ubuntu version
[18:07] <zzarr_> 18.04.1
[18:07] <zzarr_> no ifconfig
[18:07] <tomreyn> server, right?
[18:07] <zzarr_> yes
[18:07] <tomreyn> you wont use it as a desktop?
[18:07] <zzarr_> no
[18:09] <tomreyn> then it's systemd-networkd, optionally managed by netplan
[18:10] <zzarr_> okey, is there a simple way to just activate a device like this command in the old days "ifconfig eth0 up"
[18:11] <ahasenack> well, you can always just run "dhclient <nicname>"
[18:12] <zzarr_> right, I'll do that
[18:12] <tomreyn> zzarr_: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en#ip-addressing
[18:13] <zzarr_> thanks :)
[18:14] <tomreyn> note the 'temporary' approach there, too, in case dhcp wont work
[18:21] <zzarr_> I see, no matter what I do, the fs is read-only and I can't get the network to work
[18:22] <zzarr_> I think I have to install some drivers
[19:42] <blackflow> zzarr_: the fs is readonly because you probably forgot fstab, so the "ro" mount is inherited from initramfs
[19:43] <blackflow> as for the network, you really need this simple .network file (if it is dhcp) and enable+start the systemd-networkd.service  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-networkd#Basic_DHCP_network
[20:30] <zzarr_> blackflow, you are correct, I realized that the fs is not remounted on start
[20:31] <zzarr_> I'll have a look at your link


[03:09] <neale> I just did a "bzr co lp:mixxx/1.10" and it put it in ./1.10/mixxx.  Is there a way to get that into ./mixxx instead, without doing a new 15-minute checkout?
[03:09] <lifeless> mv 1.10/mixxx ./mixxx
[03:10] <neale> that would lose 1.10/.bzr though; wouldn't that be, like, bad?
[03:10] <lifeless> is 1.10 a shared repo ?
[03:10] <neale> I don't know what that means, sorry.
[03:10] <lifeless> if so then:
[03:10] <lifeless> neale: can you run bzr info 1.10/mixxx
[03:10] <lifeless> neale: and pastebin ?
[03:10] <neale> sure
[03:11] <neale> http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/pb.txt
[03:11] <lifeless> neale: that looks like its entirely independent to me
[03:11] <lifeless> neale: try mving it
[03:12] <lifeless> neale: if you can run bzr log afterwards, its ok.
[03:12] <lifeless> neale: if you can't, mv it back.
[03:12] <neale> so I did "mv 1.10/mixxx . && cd mixxx ** bzr log"
[03:12] <neale> and it said: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/neale/src/mixxx/".
[03:12] <neale> so, apparently it's not.
[03:13] <lifeless> oh, I see whats going on
[03:13] <lifeless> the thing you checked out has the 1.10 directory in it ? odd
[03:13] <neale> yeah, 1.10 is the top level directory
[03:13] <lifeless> so put the mixx back
[03:13] <lifeless> then
[03:14] <lifeless> mv 1.10 mixxx
[03:14] <lifeless> that won't get rid of the included subdir that is on LP
[03:14] <neale> right, that's what I want to do.
[03:14] <lifeless> if you are a developer of it you can remove that
[03:15] <lifeless> its a versioned directory:
[03:15] <neale> oh, that's in the upstream source that way?
[03:15] <lifeless> bzr mv mixxx/* .
[03:15] <lifeless> bzr rm --delete mixxx
[03:15] <lifeless> bzr commit -m "move everything to the root"
[03:15] <lifeless> would accomplish this, if you want to do that
[03:15] <lifeless> yeah - you can see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mixxxdevelopers/mixxx/release-1.10.x/files that its in the upstream source that wayt
[03:15] <neale> a versioned directory, like subversion?
[03:16] <lifeless> kindof
[03:16] <lifeless> yes its a directory and yes its versioned
[03:16] <lifeless> unlike subversion though, the root of the tree isn't a matter of convention, its part of the core data structure
[03:17] <neale> huh.
[03:17] <neale> I thought I'd done something wrong :)
[03:17] <lifeless> not at all
[03:17] <neale> okay, I can cd ~/src/mixxx/mixxx I guess
[03:19] <neale> thank you!
[03:21] <lifeless> anytime
[07:43] <BlindWolf8> hello?
[07:43] <poolie> hi
[07:43] <BlindWolf8> Hi poolie!
[07:44] <BlindWolf8> do you know about bzr dedicated servers? (only using bzr:// protocol)
[07:44] <poolie> yes
[07:44] <BlindWolf8> do you mind if I ask you a question?
[07:44] <poolie> just ask
[07:45] <BlindWolf8> well, I setup a bzr server on Ubuntu. It's dedicated, so it just uses the bzr protocol...how secure is this compared to bzr+ssh?
[07:45] <poolie> it's much less secure
[07:45] <poolie> it's much better to run over ssh
[07:45] <poolie> unless there's some really compelling reason
[07:46] <BlindWolf8> hmmm....
[07:46] <BlindWolf8> understood, but I'm not sure how pleased my clients who run Windows will be when they need to install PuTTy Agent
[07:48] <poolie> it would be better for them to have an ssh key with no passphrase
[07:48] <poolie> then they don't need a putty agent
[07:49] <BlindWolf8> they would still need to load putty agent to keep their private key in memory to macth up with their public key on the server though
[07:49] <BlindWolf8> righ...?
[07:49] <BlindWolf8> been awhile since I've done this...
[07:56] <Peng> Think of bzr:// as plain HTTP security-wise. Completely unencrypted.
[07:59] <BlindWolf8> looks like I'll be using bzr+ssh then as I have in the past
[08:10] <BlindWolf8> for the "serve" command, is bzr+ssh a legit protocol?
[08:11] <BlindWolf8> I ask since it's not documented in "bzr help serve"
[08:12] <fullermd> You wouldn't run 'serve' for bzr+ssh, just have bzr on the server.
[08:14] <BlindWolf8> ok, thanks
[09:13] <poolie> jelmer: hi?
[09:20] <jelmer> poolie: hi, sorry
[09:20] <jelmer> poolie: mumble, skype?
[09:28] <jelmer> poolie: nevermind, just saw your email
[09:41] <BlindWolf8> hello?
[09:44] <jelmer> hi BlindWolf8
[09:45] <BlindWolf8> Hi jelmer
[09:45] <BlindWolf8> I have another Bazaar question
[09:45] <BlindWolf8> is bzr_ssh_path_limiter included in builds yet? I'm using 2.4.1 on Linux and it looks like it's still not included
[09:46] <BlindWolf8> looking at builds logs on launchpad, it looks like it sould be included
[09:46] <BlindWolf8> I go Bazaar via PPA
[09:46] <BlindWolf8> *should
[09:46] <BlindWolf8> *got
[09:49] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: it should be in 2.4.1, but I think it's probably only included in the source package, as it's in contrib/
[09:49] <BlindWolf8> where would I find it on launchpad?
[09:49] <BlindWolf8> is there a direct link to the file or do I have to go download a zip?
[09:49] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/view/head:/contrib/bzr_ssh_path_limiter
[09:50] <BlindWolf8> Thanks! Do I chmod this file to 755, or...?
[09:51] <jelmer> yep
[09:52] <BlindWolf8> I was planning on using "bzr serve" instead of this route, but it doesn't support ssh, (e.g., bzr+ssh) right?
[09:55] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: yeah, bzr serve doesn't do ssh at the moment
[09:55] <jelmer> that'd be a nice feature actually
[09:56] <BlindWolf8> it would...just a single line via a startup script and BAM!
[09:58] <BlindWolf8> jelmer: do you know how secure bzr_ssh_path_limiter is vs the --directory flag for "bzr serve"?
[09:59] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: isn't bzr_ssh_path_delimiter implemented using the directory option of bzr serve?
[10:00] <BlindWolf8> they seem to serve the same functionality, but I didn't write the code :-)
[10:01] <BlindWolf8> didn't know if extra security features were implemented in one vs the other
[10:01] <BlindWolf8> all I know is that I can't use bzr serve since it lacks ssh support
[10:02] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: you can't use bzr serve to start a ssh server, but you can if you're already running openssh or something similar on the remote machine
[10:03] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: there is no need for bzr_ssh_path_delimiter in that case, just something like "bzr branch bzr+ssh://host/path/on/host" should work if host is running a ssh server
[10:03] <jelmer> and has bzr instaled
[10:06] <BlindWolf8> oh...I just point clients towards the SSH port instead of the bzr port, i.e., 22 vs 4511?
[10:07] <jelmer> if you use bzr+ssh:// in the URL it will automatically use the SSH port
[10:09] <BlindWolf8> ...unless I don't use the default SSH server port... :-P
[10:09] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: right
[10:09] <BlindWolf8> do I need to specify --protocol or --bzr when using bzr serve if I want to use bzr+ssh?
[10:10] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: you don't need to invoke bzr serve yourself if you're relying on e.g. openssh
[10:10] <BlindWolf8> oh...it'll auto-run if it's installed and onvoked remotely via a client?
[10:10] <BlindWolf8> *invoked
[10:11] <jelmer> yep
[10:11] <BlindWolf8> yeah, but then I don't get to limit direcory access when it runs, right?
[10:14] <BlindWolf8> ...unless I use bzr_ssh_path_limiter of course
[10:47] <BlindWolf8> anyone here?
[10:48] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: limiting the directory access in what way? It doesn't really provide additional security.
[10:49] <BlindWolf8> I just really wanted to make paths short in the bazaar interface
[10:49] <BlindWolf8> so path limiter should do that
[10:50] <BlindWolf8> however...I'm trying to create a new repo through the GUI on Windows when using bzr+ssh on the Linux box...I'm able to auth correctly, but I'm getting a 123 error
[10:51] <BlindWolf8> the command passed to the server is "bzr new --colocated-branches --format 2a"
[10:51] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: in that case you would indeed want to use bzr_ssh_path_delimiter
[10:51] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: do you have bzr colo installed on the server?
[10:51] <BlindWolf8> "new" and "--colocated-branches" don't seem to exist
[10:52] <BlindWolf8> I simply installed bazaar through PPA...the last time I did this I don't remember having to install colo
[10:52] <BlindWolf8> so I guess that's a "no"
[10:53] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: you don't need it, but bzr-explorer apparently relies on it
[10:53] <BlindWolf8> why wasn't it included in the PPA package for 2.4.1?
[10:55] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: it's not a part of core bzr
[10:55] <BlindWolf8> ah
[10:55] <BlindWolf8> how would I go about installing that?
[11:01] <jelmer> BlindWolf8: install the bzr-colo package (not sure if it's in the PPA)
[15:22] <sohmestra> I'm using bzr 2.4.1, and bzr-git 0.6.2.  When attempting to serve my bzr branch using bzr serve --git, I don't seem to be able make it listen on anything other than localhost.
[15:23] <sohmestra> I've tried bzr serve --git --port myhosthere:9418
[15:23] <sohmestra> bzr serve --bzr works as expected
[15:24] <sohmestra> Is this a bug, or am I doing something silly?
[15:27] <jelmer> hi sohmestra
[15:29] <jelmer> sohmestra: let me have a look
[15:32] <jelmer> sohmestra: you have to specify the port as well for it to work, but the --git support in "bzr serve" is still very experimental at this point.
[21:45] <poolie> hi all
[22:04] <jml> jam: can you please unplug my cable?
[22:14] <fullermd> Now that's distributed development!
[22:31] <poolie> hi jml, fullermd
[22:32] <mgz> hey poolie
[22:32] <poolie> hi there, how's uds?
[22:33] <mgz> good, had quite a bit of variety today
[22:37] <mgz> couple of testing related sessions, canonical new starter intro, python 3 planning, and qt future
[22:55] <jelmer> hi mgz, poolie
[22:56] <mgz> hey jelmer
[23:05] <Noldorin_> hey jelmer
[23:06] <jelmer> hi Noldorin_
[23:18] <Noldorin_> jelmer, hey. saw you made a new release for bzr-git, and fixed the rmbranch stuff at least?
[23:21] <jelmer> Noldorin_: yep
[23:22] <Noldorin_> cool
[23:23] <Noldorin_> jelmer, any closer to solving the 'database item not found' issue ?
[23:23] <jelmer> Noldorin_: not looked at that one yet
[23:24] <Noldorin_> ok sure
[23:24] <Noldorin_> fair enough


[00:24] <RoadRunner> can't get past login in gui; would removing lightdm and installing gdm instead be ok in xubuntu 18.04?
[00:25] <Unit193> gdm only works for GNOME now, so not really.
[00:42] <RoadRunner> after installing xscreensaver and rss-glx got a corruption and now can't login in gui (only in tty). Revoved both of the above packages - no diff. Removed accountsservice, removed, purged and reinstalled lightdm, changed lightdm's config yet still can't get past the login in gui. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RnqP2GC4gv/ But not sure if the entry "user-session=xubuntu" is the correct one if I am trying to do a custom login.
[00:54] <n-iCe> Hello guys
[00:55] <n-iCe> Been using arch linux with xfce for some days, but always something changes and needs to be fixed.
[00:55] <n-iCe> I was thinking between lubuntu and xubuntu, have used lubuntu for years, and kinda like it, but I think I like xfce now, looks nicer, is xubuntu using a lot more resouces than lubuntu?
[00:55] <n-iCe> or I will not be able to see any difference
[01:03] <n-iCe> sorry
[03:05] <RoadRunner> fixed problem by reinstalling xubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <RoadRunner> it also may have been compounded  by login setting in "users and groups" which was set to requiring login whereas the correct setting at time of system install was set up not to require it.
[04:49] <how2preseed> Hello There
[06:46] <rgk_> good evening
[06:49] <rgk_> i have a question if someone may have some insight. I know and have tried the several "solutions" found on the web with no success. Anyway, the OS does not recognize my sound card in that the audio devices default is set to "Dummy" and does not show any driver.  Some insight will be appreciated - thanks in advance ...
[06:50] <cfhowlett> rgk suggest you ask in #ubuntu for more eyes
[06:51] <rgk_> thanks i will do that as well
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> !sound
[07:34] <nova_> I'm on a fresh install of 18.04 coming from 16.04.  I can't get thunar to list devices on the network under "Browse Network" though I have this working on my 16.04 system.  Samba is installed and working, smbtree shows the shares.  Most of what I've found on google suggests installing gvfs-smb package, but it's not in the repo.
[07:36] <nova_> Does anyone know how to make it work?
[07:38] <flocculant> nova_: don't use it myself - but have seen issues around the web recently - this might help https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-beaver-samba-shares.html
[07:41] <nova_> flocculant: thank you I'll give it a shot.
[07:42] <flocculant> np - hope it helps :)
[07:59] <nova_> flocculant: no change but thanks for the tip anyway
[08:35] <nikolam> after installing proprietary "Teamviewer 13" into fresh-updated Xubuntu 18.04, and starting TW, it seems it crashes "Status Notifier Plugin"
[08:37] <nikolam> Proprieatery Teamviewer 13.1.3026 have a "preview" picture in the corner of it's window, installed form their 64-bit .deb
[08:44] <nikolam> sending dump that popped up automatically..
[08:44] <nikolam> (as an internal system error)
[09:00] <nova_> flocculant: OK that was the problemafterall.  Recent change due to security issues that Thunar hasn't caught up to yet.  Reverting it back to a less secure setting isn't ideal but it'll have to do for now.
[11:38] <nualias_> Hi my xubuntu 18.04lts is crashing randomly. the reason being nouveau it seems. can someone help me debugging the log and provide some assistance? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FXrKpswbPp/
[11:42] <well_laid_lawn> I don't see those errors as being noueau related
[11:43] <nualias_> hm i see. when the error occurs i get thrown back to the login screen preceeded by a black screen where something is said about nouveau but its gone too fast
[11:43] <nualias_> is there any other error log I can provide?
[11:44] <well_laid_lawn> the last line suggests a firefox error
[11:44] <well_laid_lawn> when does the crash occur ?
[11:44] <nualias_> thats the strange part.
[11:45] <nualias_> it occurs 100% of all times when I login the first time into my system. and then randomly: noticed it happening when deleting a file, opening the file browser, where it happens prior of the rendering of file icons
[11:46] <nualias_> and other "random" events
[11:46] <nualias_> so I'm puzzled as to where to problem lies
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> they seem to me to be gtk errors
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> can you go to a tty and update the os
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[11:48] <nualias_> I'm on said system right now.
[11:48] <nualias_> any specific thing I shall do?
[11:48] <nualias_> the system is fully updated via update && upgrade
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> did you update from an earlier ersion of xubuntu ?
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> did you update from an earlier version of xubuntu ?
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> just a guess there
[11:52] <nualias_> its a fresh install
[11:52] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:54] <well_laid_lawn> since no one else has been having this issue I suggest it is local to you - I'd recommend a memory check
[11:54] <well_laid_lawn> !memtest
[11:57] <thief_and_a_liar> let us go out and kill some children everyone
[11:58] <nualias_> well_laid_lawn: hm how do i do that
[11:58] <thief_and_a_liar> let us kill the children in the name of adolf hitler
[11:59] <well_laid_lawn> there is a program called memtest  - the bot used to hae a response for it
[11:59] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[12:00] <thief_and_a_liar> fuck you guys
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn> I have to head off now - the issue seems to be either with some bad hardware or a corrupted package for some gtk app mabe the xfce panel imo
[12:01] <thief_and_a_liar> I will just have to kill them all myself
[12:01] <thief_and_a_liar> and then I mean all children
[12:01] <thief_and_a_liar> any race
[12:05] <thief_and_a_liar> https://xhamster.com/videos/chubby-amateur-girlfriend-sucks-and-fucks-at-home-3306574
[14:24] <brechbohne92> if anyone is interested in xfce themes, I use Arc Theme with Paper Icons, love it https://imgur.com/gallery/hneuWmG
[15:03] <chaslinux> Was hardinfo ever installed by default in Xubuntu or Ubuntu? I seem to recall seeing it in earlier versions.
[15:09] <GridCube> i think it's been part of xubuntu for a few releases
[15:09] <GridCube> not 100% sure as i just upgrade the OS every time


[02:00] <jMCg> Interesting. /proc/acpi/video/OVGA/DD03/brightness is gone. I wonder what that means.


  I'm going to go sleep some more.
[00:19] <asac> mconnor: ok ... maybe see you tomorrow
[00:19] <asac> get better
[00:20] <mconnor> asac: yeah, hopefully another 12 hours of sleep will be enough :-/
[00:26] <[reed]> mconnor: ok, I have IRC up on the screen, so you can participate from your hotel
[00:26] <[reed]> :)
[00:33] <mconnor> hi everybody
[00:37] <Ventron> mconnor: will you be here tomorrow?
[00:37] <mconnor> Ventron: I hope so, unless I'm even worse
[00:37] <Ventron> anyone remember how to dial an outside line from google?
[00:39] <Ventron> assuming anyone tried a phone here instead of just using all your iphones :/
[01:10] <reed_mibbit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/84155/
[01:11] <reed_mibbit> we're talking about data integration now... bookmarks, address book, tasks/events
[01:12] <mconnor> data integration in what sense?
[01:13] <mconnor> like, syncing to or using a system store for this?
[01:13] <asac> mconnor: desktop integration like: on the main screen you display the most used bookmarks /sites etc.
[01:14] <asac> mconnor: in the clock you display events from sunbird .... in IM clients you can read the tbird addrbook (or even display your contacts on the main desktop screen)
[01:15] <asac> so basically, everything you currently store in your profile and is not available for other apps should at best be storable in some backend
[01:15] <sayrer> interesting, we're not that far away from that
[01:19] <asac> sayrer: for addrbook? or bookmarks?
[01:19] <asac> (or events/tasks ;))
[01:20] <sayrer> asac, we are storing everything in sqlite, and we have projects for server sync. desktop querying is a related wrinkle
[01:21] <asac> sayrer: problem with sqlite is that its locked ;)
[01:21] <sayrer> yep
[01:21] <mconnor> asac: that's because we're doing that by choice
[01:21] <mconnor> 8% faster!
[01:22] <sayrer> maybe we should make Places available over DBUS or something like that
[01:22] <asac> sayrer: ++
[01:22] <asac> we should make a sane interface then ... not sure if running arbitrary sql commands is what we want to support through dbus
[01:23] <asac> sayrer: oh ... there is one problem ... if firefox isnt running the dbus isnt available ;)
[01:23] <sayrer> yeah, I mean expose the places API, which isn't raw sql
[01:23] <asac> (actually its a thing i already thought about)
[01:23] <sayrer> hey, we should go multi process anyway
[01:24] <sayrer> why not leave Places running as a daemon
[01:24] <sayrer> (mconnor might kill me)
[01:24] <asac> sayrer: if thats an option we can make an auto-activated tiny dbus service out of it
[01:25] <mconnor> sayrer: why me? that's dietrich's problem, not mine!
[01:25] <sayrer> mconnor, you make a good point
[01:26] <sayrer> mconnor, btw... if we leave places running as a daemon, we win on startup time
[01:26] <sayrer> hmm
[01:27] <mconnor> sayrer: guess it depends on the overhead in talking to the daemon...
[01:27] <sayrer> mconnor, well places is all async now
[01:27] <sayrer> so
[01:27] <sayrer> ...
[01:27] <asac> added one more integration thing:
[01:27] <mconnor> sayrer: not all...
[01:27] <asac> * gnome-keyring (requires async login manager)
[01:28] <sayrer> mconnor, ok, so there are still some bugs
[01:28] <sayrer> ;)
[01:28] <asac> i didnt add that in the first place because thats a long standing issue that was long discussed
[01:28] <mconnor> sayrer: it's still a million miles better :)
[01:28] <asac> and 1.9 login manager didnt ring this async feature unfortunately
[01:28] <asac> s/ring/bring/
[01:28] <asac> @time los_angeles
[01:32] <asac> more info on gnomevfs (how long):
[01:32] <asac> 02:15 < asac> seb128: any idea when gnomevfs is going to be dropped completely=?
[01:32] <asac> 02:16 < asac> or will it stay there forever?
[01:32] <asac> 02:16 < seb128> asac: we still have gtk1 in the archive, 15 years or so?
[01:32] <asac> 02:16 < seb128> asac: concerned about CD, main, or ubuntu?
[01:32] <asac> 02:17 < asac> seb128: mozilla wants to know how urgent its to migrate away
[01:32] <asac> 02:19 < seb128> asac: still 60 sources using it in main
[01:32] <jamesh> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugzillaPlugin
[01:32] <asac> 02:19 < seb128> asac: I would say jaunty+1 dropping it from the CD
[01:32] <asac> 02:20 < seb128> asac: it'll probably be in universe for the next lts
[01:32] <timeless> hrm, places as a daemon could make my group happy
[01:38] <mconnor> timeless: clearly we can't do that
[01:49] <asac> ok EOS ;) .... to be continued tomorrow 9:45
[16:59] <mconnor> reed: yeah, I, uh, I am not making it.
[17:00] <reed> ...
[17:00]  * mconnor is really glad he's not flying today
[17:00] <reed> sih
[17:00] <reed> sigh
[17:00] <reed> :)
[17:00] <reed> still sick, or what exactly?
[17:00] <mconnor> still sick
[17:00] <reed> ok... I'll try getting the phone thing working at least.
[17:00] <mconnor> I thought I was doing better until 5 minutes ago. :(
[17:01] <reed> threw up?
[17:02] <asac> mconnor: they have good restrooms here :)
[17:02] <asac> ... just kiddin', sorry to hear that. hope you get better.
[17:02] <mconnor> heh
[17:02] <mconnor> clearly I'm not hardcore enough
[17:05] <mconnor> I'm going to lie down some more
[17:07] <fta> asac, it seems tb3 has no application registered
[17:08] <fta> asac, that's why i have no handler for http
[17:13] <asac> fta: what do you mean with "no application registered"?
[17:14] <fta> hm, no protocol handler
[17:17] <fta> asac, does i work for you?
[17:17] <fta> it
[17:24] <asac> fta: no. it doesn t work
[17:24] <asac> fta: i think the problem is that the gnome support stuff isnt in there
[17:27] <fta> hm, right. i don't have gnomesupport.
[17:43] <reed> fta: come to Albor
[17:53] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/84453/
[18:27] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/84470/
[18:30] <reed> fta: ask in #developers on moznet, or ping glandium?
[18:37] <asac> @time los_angeles
[19:47] <fta> stevel, i was wondering while re-reading your blog entry, where did you get the impression that songbird would ever be in main?
[19:47] <stevel> fta: i didn't :) i actually didn't realise there was a distinction between main vs. universe.
[19:50] <fta> stevel, it's not clear in your wordings then... "one of the ideas asac and I were tossing around was putting a Songbird package into universe instead of main."
[19:51] <fta> stevel, several people already asked me where that main thing come from
[19:51] <stevel> ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe.  hence the "instead of"
[19:55] <fta> sorry, crappy wifi, did i miss something?
[20:00] <stevel> not beyond my "ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe.  hence the "instead of" msg
[20:00] <stevel> i can post a follow-up noting my ignorance if that would help :)
[20:05] <fta> well; sort of. at least it should not confuse other people also trying to have their project in ubuntu
[20:13] <asac> stevel: yeah ... so universe is the place to start ... main is only for those applications that are ment to be "essential" for ubuntu
[20:14]  * stevel nods
[20:14] <asac> stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each use-case in main
[20:16] <asac_> reconnect
[20:16] <asac_> 21:14 < asac> stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each  use-case in main
[20:17] <asac_> also there has to be a certain amount of demand to actually consider a use-case "mainable"
[20:17] <asac_> one way to proof this is by being in universe and having a good popcon score
[20:18] <asac> furter there are other requirements attached to main ... but with those two points you usually get a good feeling for it
[20:18] <asac> maybe also consider if there is another app in main that fullfills the same use-case that that app has to be demoted
[20:19] <asac> so more or less like "evoltion" ;) ... fight for the precious space on CD ... fight for the support committment from canonical and so on ;)
[20:19] <asac> stevel: does that help a bit?
[20:19] <asac> (personally i dont mind if you post a correction .... its just that folks suddenly asked us "why did songbird think that they can go to main" ... but well
[20:20] <asac> you are not really a ubuntu developer, so folks thinking that you know the right procedures would be wrong too
[20:23] <asac> @time los_angeles
[20:35] <stevel> asac: thanks for the clarification; yeah that does help
[20:39] <stevel> clearly the better fix is to get people to stop reading my blog
[20:40] <Nafallo> asac: oh HAI!
[20:40] <Nafallo> asac: I can haz no wirelessscanningcache post-resume plz?
[20:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[20:51] <asac> stevel: hehe ... no ... misinofrmation is also information ;)
[20:51] <asac> no prob
[22:55] <reed> asac: fta around?
[22:55] <reed> he should upstream that patch!
[23:04] <reed> fta: upstream that patch!
[23:04] <reed> :(
[23:05] <fta> not complete
[23:05] <fta> hence the bzXXX
[23:06] <reed> thought that just meant you hadn't upstreamed it
[23:06] <reed> not that it was "incomplete"
[23:07] <fta> reed, where are you?
[23:07] <reed> Mozilla; coming back in just a bit
 fta: upstream that patch!
 :(
 not complete
 hence the bzXXX
 reed, where are you?
[23:22] <reed> fta: Mozilla; coming back in just a bit
[23:23] <fta> ok
[23:44] <asac> reed: which patch?
[23:45] <asac> fta: ^^ ? any clueß
[23:45] <asac> ?
[23:45] <fta> mine
[23:46] <asac> fta: you only have one patch?
[23:46] <asac> ;)
[23:46] <asac> fta: which one?
[23:46] <fta> i mean, my last one in the xul branch
[23:47] <fta> reed saw the commit mail
[23:47] <asac> k
[23:47] <asac> saw it now


[19:52] <bkerensa> =o
[22:52] <bkerensa|mobile> using irc while cruising at 65mph down I5 South is winning
[22:55] <urlin2u> bkerensa, don't get caught. ;)
[22:55] <bkerensa|mobile> :p I'm not driving
[22:55] <urlin2u> bkerensa, lol
[22:56] <urlin2u> phnoe modem?
[22:56] <urlin2u> phone


[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> cyphermox, FYI, I'm doing the dkms merge
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> please double check if you can
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm keeping some delta, while some other is now upstream
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, is your shim package uploadable as-is on Debian?
[16:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean both shim and shim-signed
[18:04] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: I have no idea, it has not been a priority to validate the recent shim development work against Debian.
[19:20] <gQuigs> I'm guessing we should expect no SRUs over the holidays - just want to confirm


[06:30] <marcoagpinto> Olá!
[07:45] <ducasse> good morning
[07:52] <marcoagpinto> so, 22.04 is almost here
[07:52] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:16] <Maik> 22.04 is still a month away
[10:17] <Maik> 29 days to be exact
[12:11] <Chunkyz> marcoagpinto: I'm looking forward to it too. :-)
[12:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:12] <Chunkyz> ducasse: do you say/do anything else other than say good morning? I don't think I've ever seen you talk other than that.
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> Chunkyz: maybe if someone would ever reply, you would see an actual conversation
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> and also other channels exist to chitchat
[12:42] <Maik> Chunkyz: what's your issue with people just saying Hi or goodmorning anyway.
[12:42] <Maik> getting a bit tired of that attitude to be honest
[12:43] <Maik> and that's not only me
[13:10] <ducasse> Chunkyz: when there is something of interest going on, sure
[13:10] <ducasse> there just isn't much of that anymore
[14:48] <Chunkyz> Maik: I'm getting VERY TIRED of you always being grumpy. life is life; deal with it.
[14:49] <Chunkyz> ducasse: Yeah irc isn't that good these days, unless you're needing support.
[14:50] <Chunkyz> Anyway, was just curious. was answered! moving on...
[14:51] <ducasse> Chunkyz: i do sometimes participate in main, but not much these days. i spend my time elsewhere
[14:52] <ducasse> and to be fair, Maik didn't start this
[14:52] <Chunkyz> ducasse: I'm sick of Maik and others labelling me a troll. I'm not. I didn't start anything, was curious as to why people say morning then say nothing else. lol
[14:53] <Chunkyz> Anyway, my question was answered. back to discuss. :-)
[14:54] <ducasse> this channel used to be a hangout for people helping out in main, not so much anymore. i greet the crew mostly out of habit to say i'm here if needed
[14:54] <ducasse> moving on
[15:04] <Maik> Chunkyz: i'm noty being grumpy at all, just saying what i hear from other backstage
[15:04] <Maik> says more about you than anyone else
[15:05] <Maik> so i would start to think about that
[15:08] <Maik> besides that i didn't call you a troll, and if others do  that then there's probably a reason for it
[15:09] <Maik> i'll just leave it at that and hope we can get along from now on :)
[15:13] <Chunkyz> Maik: that's YOUR problem, you listen to the shit others say and form an opinion without facts :-) I'm NOT a troll. you've tried saying this, for how long? months? trying to get me banned from Libera and Freenode. I'm still here :-) there's a reason they call it me yes because I'm honest, I don't like them so they spread rumours trying to get people to label me. oh well, ignored like I should have done long ago. goodbye.
[15:19] <Maik> and as always leaving when it gets too hot for him. I meant well though. Sad it proves how he really is.
[15:20] <leftyfb> nothing but attitude with that one. Dating back to 2017
[15:20] <Maik> so i've heard
[21:06] <devilboy> hi everyone
[21:07] <devilboy> do I need a bootable usb stick within ubuntu to resize (create new partition) for windows 10 installation - dual boot with ubuntu ?
[21:11] <Jeremy31> devilboy: I would make a backup of Ubuntu for this
[21:12] <devilboy> Jeremy31, I just need Windows 10 for Adobe software to be honest.
[21:12] <Jeremy31> devilboy: Maybe install it in VM in Ubuntu
[21:12] <devilboy> Is it easy? Never used it before this way.
[21:13] <Jeremy31> devilboy: not bad, I used Ubuntu in a Windows 7 VM for a short time
[21:13] <devilboy> hmm :D  Will I be able with no issues in VM ?
[21:15] <Jeremy31> devilboy: VM's are used a lot by people needing multiple OS without rebooting
[21:17] <devilboy> I'm on it now, as I see VM can be deleted in case I don't want it anymore.


[19:00] <Elliria> Hey there, if I have a suggestion for improving the informational text in the the "Additional Drivers" tab in Software Sources in Kubuntu, which package would I file an enhancement bug on?


[17:42] <CIA-4> wubi: Agostino Russo * r137 trunk/ (50 files in 19 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:42] <CIA-4> wubi: * Upped references to 9.10/karmic
[17:42] <CIA-4> wubi: * Synched grubutil branch with upstream
[17:42] <CIA-4> wubi: * Do not show original absolute path of bytecompiled modules in error
[17:43] <CIA-4> wubi:  logs (LP: #389424)
[17:43] <CIA-4> wubi: * Use sys.exc_info() in error logs as suggested by Colin J. Watson
[17:43] <CIA-4> wubi:  (LP: #389424)


 Wanna share the link in a PM?
[10:38] <praisethemoon> hold on
[11:10] <davlefou> Bonjour,
[13:05] <praisethemoon> yo
[15:08] <nzoueidi> o/
[15:35] <Dro> i/
[19:49] <nzoueidi> Finally, Ubuntu will return to Gnome! :D *_*
[19:53] <praisethemoon> for real?
[19:54] <praisethemoon> send link
[19:54] <nzoueidi> yep :D
[19:54] <nzoueidi> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
[20:49] <davlefou> Bonjour,
[20:50] <davlefou> elacheche, tu es là?


[06:20] <JohnRobert> turns out my wife has been shagging someone else too
[06:20] <JohnRobert> that's good news!
[06:31] <JohnRobert> whoops, this is totally the wrong channel
[06:31] <JohnRobert> and wrong network.
[06:31] <JohnRobert> and it's logged :(
[06:32]  * JohnRobert cowers away for a good month or so until this blows over.
[06:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:59] <popey> morning all
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning
[07:09] <mattt> what the hell was that
[07:13] <MooDoo> mattt: ?
[07:13] <MooDoo> ah just seen above lol
[07:18] <diplo> Morning al
[07:18] <diplo> l
[07:20] <mattt> MooDoo: :)
[07:24] <DJones> Morning
[07:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:47] <mattt> czajkowski: morning
[08:15] <DJones> I'm glad I'm not working in London next week, 3 day tube strike, maintenance and upgrade staff, so wonder how that will affect the running of them
[08:16] <oimon> what?
[08:16] <oimon> tube strike?
[08:17] <oimon> ah, hopefully that won't affect stations
[08:18] <DJones> oimon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17738569
[08:20] <oimon> bob crow is a greedy greedy man
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> How can you strike for 72 hours on one day?
[08:23] <oimon> btw if you are on an irc channel with no ops, how does one gain ops privs?
[08:24] <MooDoo> oimon: you don't
[08:24] <MooDoo> oimon: unless you can find an op or the channel owner, i suppose you could contact freenode staff ?
[08:24] <lornajane> oimon: you hunt down someone with ops privs, or you talk to the freenode staff I guess
[08:25] <oimon> ok, thanks
[08:26] <DJones> oimon: Look at the access list for the channel, that'll tell you who the op s are
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> \o/ chanserv
[08:34] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:34] <popey> yes!
[08:40] <directhex> oimon, a network oper can possibly grant ops, depending on the ircd they use (we use inspircd for work, and i have this power)
[08:48] <oimon> tihnk i've solved my terrible graphics performance
[08:49] <oimon> switched my nvidia nvs 290 card with a geforce en210 (£20 ebuyer), and performance is much much better
[08:49] <oimon> wonder if it's a driver issue or crappy card
[08:53] <gord> oimon, the nvidia nvs/quadro numbers and the geforce numbers aren't equivalent, so the gefoce 210 is much newer/advanced than the old geforce 8000 based quadro/nvs card you had
[08:53] <gord> nvidia likes to keep the numbers confusing
[08:54] <oimon> i think there's a particular issue with the nvs290 judging by launchpad and askubuntu
[08:54] <oimon> with dual monitors
[09:07] <directhex> looks like the nvs 290 is a rebadged GeForce 8400 GS?
[09:08] <awilkins>  So ; the HUD menu still summons for applications that do not integrate with the global menu, e.g. Eclipse, or GVim invoked from a terminal.
[09:08] <directhex> on paper the geforce 210 is about 50% faster - mostly because the clock speed is about 50% faster
[09:09] <popey> awilkins: yes, by design
[09:10] <popey> awilkins: it should find the menus in the current focussed app and other stuff like indicators, so from anywhere you could (for example) shutdown/suspend
[09:10] <awilkins> popey, I suppose it has utility for that, but it opens with the selected app icon even if it cannot service it with menus, which I suspect could cause some frustration.
[09:13] <popey> awilkins: que?
[09:14] <awilkins> popey, Opening the hud on, say, Eclipse, shows the Eclipse icon, even though you cannot access the Eclipse menus from the HUD == misleading
[09:14] <popey> ahh
[09:15] <popey> sounds like a bug
[09:15]  * popey tickles gord
[09:17] <gord> sounds like a bug with eclipse!
[09:17] <awilkins> I do have the misfortune of using at least 2 applications that don't integrate nicely with the global menu
[09:17] <awilkins> The other being gvim-started-from-a-terminal
[09:18] <awilkins> Not that I use the menus often in vim
[09:19] <gord> vim kind of has its own hud ;)
[09:21] <awilkins> The only real annoyance with gvim is that it spews a "WARNING **: Unable to create Ubuntu Menu Proxy: Timeout was reached" onto the terminal after a while. At least it fails immediately now, and doesn't hang around before it restores the "real" menu, which made the window jump a bit.
[09:24] <popey> why would you start gvim from the terminal?
[09:24] <popey> i guess if you're in a shell already
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <awilkins> popey, Aye, I like to do things like grep for lists of files and open them in gvim
[09:26] <awilkins> The shell remains the killer productivity app of *nix systems
[09:29] <daubers> Hello, a question someone might be able to answer for me
[09:29] <daubers> What does "sticky edges" mean in the display setup window?
[09:30] <awilkins> It's the "ridge" in the middle of a double monitor
[09:30] <daubers> So why is it a "yes/no" question?
[09:30] <DJones> daubers: http://askubuntu.com/questions/119281/what-is-the-function-of-the-sticky-edges-on-off-setting-in-displays
[09:31] <DJones>  If "Sticky Edges" is enabled the mouse stopps on the edge.
[09:31] <gord> firefox keeps trying to correct my spelling to german and i don't know why :(
[09:31] <daubers> I see!!
[09:31] <daubers> That makes more sense
[09:32] <daubers> Have to say, the multi display setup is quite nice now
[09:32] <daubers> (compared to what it was)
[09:33] <lornajane> I'm just happy I don't have to restart X :)  xrandr lets me do everything I need
[09:33]  * awilkins is still using nvidia TwinView and thus just has one ginormous display
[09:34] <awilkins> Actually, visiting the display property has removed my second launch bar (because it's one ginormous display, it only has one left edge)
[09:36] <lornajane> this new machine I have is a tablet, but it scales the touchpadness across your desktop ... so with a second monitor, your touches across one screen get mapped to locations across two.  Not really useful!
[09:36] <popey> haha, i have seen this happen ☺
[09:36] <popey> awesome isnt it.
[09:37] <lornajane> popey: it was slightly weird until I understood what was happening
[09:37] <lornajane> it now makes sense - and I probably don't want to touch screen much anyway while it's docked
[09:37] <lornajane> I'm having issues installing a virtual keyboard though, which is a bit of a shame
[09:37] <lornajane> I've mislaid my sysadmin this week so I'm writing him a list
[09:38] <popey> maliit is quite a nice virtual keyboard
[09:38] <popey> they have some nice videos showing what it can do http://www.youtube.com/user/maliitorg/videos
[09:39] <lornajane> popey: I will take a look!  I tried to install florence but after a forest of dependencies, it says it can't find something I definitely have
[09:50] <czajkowski> hmmm odd bug I think but hard to reproduce.  Watching movies on laptop press pause come back to it and press play and no sound, have to restart movie to get sound back again, but doesn't happen every time
[09:51] <ali1234> pulseaudio is broken yet again
[09:52] <gord> i wouldn't jump to that conclusion
[09:52] <gord> totem could be buggy, which wouldn't be surprising, or gstreamer
[09:52] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/981629
[09:53] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.4/+bug/978293
[09:53] <ali1234> note: both regressions
[09:53] <ali1234> both started happening at the same time
[09:54] <ali1234> i also lose sound in flash from time to time
[09:54] <ali1234> it's just like going back in time 2 years basically
[09:54]  * popey makes the wibbly time travel type noises
[09:55] <popey> hey, heard about Unity!? It looks _awesome_!
[09:55] <popey> etc
[09:57] <davmor2> morning all
[09:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: Mooo!
[09:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[09:57] <czajkowski> herrrro
[09:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
[09:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: hows things
[09:58] <brobostigon> http://www.osnews.com/story/25828/Original_Prince_of_Persia_code_found_and_released_as_open_source :)
[09:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's the emerald isle
[09:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: not to bad thank you
[09:58] <czajkowski> fandiddly tastic don't you know
[09:58] <czajkowski> :)
[09:58] <czajkowski> I'm here :)
[09:58] <czajkowski> having an ubuntu meet up thursday in limerick
[09:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice
[10:14] <popey> czajkowski: just saw someone in the office and thought it was you
[10:15] <popey> realised you're not in the uk some time later
[10:16] <czajkowski> hah
[10:19]  * daubers suggests someone gets some infiniband gear after saturating a 2 port 10GbE bond
[10:23] <dwatkins> yeah, IB can be pretty awesome
[10:23] <dwatkins> SGI use it for some of their high speed clustering stuffs.
[10:28] <daubers> dwatkins: These guys are running some renderfarms, the storage is getting eaten alive.. but has bottlenecked on the network
[10:28] <directhex> IB is pretty much the only HPC interconnect anyone uses anymore
[10:29] <directhex> quadrics is dead (well, bought by bull for their proprietary use). dolphin died a while ago. nobody likes working with myricom so nobody buys myrinet
[10:29] <directhex> whereas even companies like supermicro put IB integrated onto a mobo
[10:29]  * daubers quites like myricom.....
[10:29] <directhex> ever met dave pegan?
[10:29] <daubers> infiniband stuff is quicker than most of their stuff
[10:29] <directhex> the myricom boss?
[10:29] <daubers> directhex: No....
[10:30] <directhex> he's... a stereotypical texan douchebag boss
[10:30] <daubers> directhex: I keep getting 10GbE card manufacturers coming to me saying their 10GbE card is faster than everyone elses.... but they all perform the same in the end
[10:51] <czajkowski> folks might be interested in this http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/sfs-2012.html
[10:58] <directhex> daubers, IB isn't really about the bandwidth though, t'is all about latency
[10:58] <daubers> directhex: I'm just after the bandwidth really. Latency reduction is a nice side effect
[11:25] <czajkowski> A tale of two travesties - http://blog.launchpad.net/general/a-tale-of-two-travesties
[11:38] <bigcalm> Ug
[11:38] <bigcalm> popey: did you have trouble unplugging the mini sas connector on your proliant?
[11:38] <bigcalm> My fingers hurt and its not moving
[11:41] <diplo> Wat part bigcalm ?
[11:41] <diplo> I've got one as well
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: dude you're online
[11:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: has your irc proxy/server gone away?
[11:46] <DJones> davmor2: I think bigcalm has gone away, not just the proxy/server
[11:47] <davmor2> DJones: well that's just not sporting how am I meant to pick on him if he isn't here
[11:47] <DJones> Just use memoserv :)
[11:55] <popey> bigcalm: its a bit fiddly, yes
[12:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've been doing work. My connection has been fine, just needed to concentrate :)
[12:06] <bigcalm> popey: managed it in the end with a tool my dad gave me years ago. Looks like something a dentist would prod your teeth with
[12:08] <popey> bigcalm: i just squeezed it
[12:08] <bigcalm> popey: mine has a slightly wonky retaining tooth, so squeezing it wasn't moving it
[12:08] <bigcalm> My fingers still hurt :(
[12:08] <popey> heh
[12:08] <bigcalm> 8gb ecc ram detected \o/
[12:09] <bigcalm> Running a memtest maybe wasn't the best idea during a work day though
[12:09] <bigcalm> I love how neat and compact is in that case
[12:09] <bigcalm> So glad I got one
[12:09] <popey> ☺
[12:11] <bigcalm> Right, lets see how easy it is to set up RAID 1
[12:20] <syruss> does anyone know how I can force a specific drive geometry in linux?
[12:20] <syruss> basically, I have a 3TB connected via usb (only way on my laptop) and it's coming up as a 768gb disk
[12:20] <syruss> (as the sectors are set to 512 instead of 4096 or whatever it is..)
[12:21] <syruss> works fine on windows 7
[12:21] <syruss> (I'm running the beta 12.04 ubuntu.. also I checked the latest kernel logs and there's no mention of a fix for this)
[12:21] <syruss> kernel.org git logs that is
[12:22] <directhex> syruss, the drive works via usb in windows?
[12:22] <syruss> yup
[12:23] <syruss> well, the issue is it's got ext4 partitions, the fs2 driver (and the other one) don't work on win7 properly.. first one is 32bit and the other one just bluescreens if I try and mount the partition
[12:23] <syruss> basically I'm trying to get the data off this hard disk that was out of one of those mybook live NAS'es that got fried in an electrical storm (the controller board was fried but the hard disk survived)
[12:23] <directhex> what does parted show?
[12:23] <syruss> shows it as a 768gb hdd
[12:24] <syruss> in windows, drive management shows all the partitions and the correct size and sizes
[12:24] <directhex> and it's a GPT-partitioned disk?
[12:24] <syruss> so it must be possible
[12:24] <syruss> it is GPT partitioned yes
[12:24] <syruss> fdisk -l shows the correct partition information, it's just the kernel is recognising the disk as the wrong size
[12:24] <syruss> so really it's not anything to do with partition types etc
[12:24] <directhex> fdisk can't operate correctly on gpt
[12:25] <syruss> if the kernel can't detect the right geometry for the disk then nothing else matters as it'll never work
[12:25] <syruss> so the only work around I can think of is manually specifying 4096 sectors rather than 512 manually somehow...
[12:25] <syruss> I've scoured google like mad but can't seem to find anything
[12:27] <directhex> and /sys/block/sdX/queue/physical_block_size says 512?
[12:27] <syruss> well, I found one thing, which suggested I can pass the geometry to the kernel via /proc but that was only for internal devices
[12:28] <syruss> hang on directhex, just booting back out of grub
[12:29] <awilkins> This page would suggest that Linux doesn't actually care about disk geometry (but fdisk thinks about it) and that if you can't mount a partition, the problem is something else
[12:29] <awilkins> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-14.html
[12:29] <syruss> it does say 512 yeah
[12:29]  * awilkins knows not about fiddly RAID setups thoug
[12:29] <syruss> well awilkins, dmesg presents the wrong disk size
[12:30] <syruss> and that in turn makes fdisk, and everything else suffer as they all get confused as they think it's a 768gb disk rather than a 3tb
[12:31] <syruss> and I can't write to /sys :(
[12:31] <syruss> well, to that node
[12:31] <awilkins> Could you pass the kernel boot params e.g. hdd=cyls,heads,sectors ?
[12:32] <syruss> possibly, I'm not sure of the syntax, I was trying to find that out
[12:32]  * awilkins doesn't know how to do that for USB
[12:32] <syruss> ^
[12:33] <oimon> anyone getting white screen when maximising chromium?
[12:33] <oimon> can't reproduce every time
[12:33] <bigcalm> Humm
[12:33] <bigcalm> I was expecting the 12.04 installer to walk me though setting up LVM
[12:34] <bigcalm> So far it looks as though it's only using 1 disk
[12:37] <bigcalm> Is there a suggested lvm howto to follow, or shall I just pick one at random?
[12:37] <bigcalm> Currently looking at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/40702/how-to-manage-and-use-lvm-logical-volume-management-in-ubuntu/
[12:37] <DJones> bigcalm: There is https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html Looks like teh 12.04 version hasn't been published yet
[12:37] <bigcalm> DJones: thanks :)
[12:37] <DJones> LVM is about 2/3rds of the way down
[12:38]  * bigcalm restarts installation
[12:39] <syruss> doh, I can't see me getting the data off these disks any time soon
[12:39] <syruss> *disk
[12:50] <j0nr> hey folks
[12:51] <j0nr> anyone heard of or use or know of www.bluelighthost.com ?
[12:51] <j0nr> Their deals seem extraordinarily good or am I missing something
[12:52] <ali1234> prices don't look that good to me
[12:52] <ali1234> looks pretty average
[12:52] <j0nr> really?
[12:53] <ali1234> yeah really
[12:53] <ali1234> i know of several people who use this: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5
[12:53] <j0nr> for 15gbp p/m I get 4GB RAM, 100GB storage, 5TB bandwidth
[12:53] <ali1234> they aren't constantly complaining about it, so it must be ok :)
[12:54] <j0nr> I am paying that know and only get ~650MB RAM, 45GB storage
[12:55] <ali1234> and are you reaching the limits?
[12:56] <ali1234> i think a more likely explanation is whoever you are using now is really expensive
[12:56] <j0nr> memory always seems an issue
[12:57] <j0nr> but for the same money that bluelighthost seems worlds better
[13:01]  * bigcalm reads up
[13:01] <bigcalm> DJones: I don't think I've ever used memoserv
[13:02] <DJones> bigcalm: I doubt many people do
[13:03] <DJones> Having just tried it, I have 0 memo's since registering with freenode
[13:10] <bigcalm> Gah!
[13:11] <bigcalm> The instructions on this page don't make sense :)
[13:11] <bigcalm> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html (as pasted by DJones)
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: report it as a bug then dude that is the official documentation if that doesn't make sense then it should, that or it's too hard for you :P
[13:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: might be the latter
[13:13] <ali1234> which part doesn't make sense?
[13:14] <bigcalm> Ignore me :(
[13:15] <bigcalm> My mind was skipping some words and thus it didn't make sense
[13:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: Repeat after me D'oh!
[13:22]  * bigcalm pins this page to the back of his hand
[13:31] <syruss> well this new cookie law is the first insane law to pass
[13:31] <syruss> in a while
[13:33]  * BigRedS demands some cookies
[13:33]  * oimon is eating his son's easter egg
[13:33] <BigRedS> the things you do for your kids
[13:33] <oimon> i'm not even hungry
[13:35] <BigRedS> haha
[13:39] <diplo> BigRedS, I was eating my kids yesterday
[13:39] <diplo> :D
[13:39] <diplo> They had to many, honestly!
[13:39] <bigcalm> diplo: canibal
[13:39] <DJones> diplo: Did you BBQ the kids first?
[13:39] <diplo> :D
[13:40] <diplo> After what they ahve been like this weekend It was *very very* close
[13:40] <diplo> :)
[13:50] <diplo> ahem :D
[13:50] <BigRedS> haha
[13:54]  * DJones waits for child protection services to visit diplo
[13:55] <Gary> omnomnom
[13:56] <Dave2> :o
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: nicely done however I think we are gradually getting the longest topic :D
[14:01] <Dave2> nah, I've seen far longer
[14:03] <diplo> Ooh blimey, fire alarm just being going off
[14:03] <diplo> We have a siren about 2 foot away from my desk and it's peeing down outside
[14:03] <diplo> :(
[14:03] <diplo> My ears are still ringing
[14:11] <jpds> diplo: That's child protection incapacitating your ears.
[14:14]  * diplo crys in the corner after all you bullies :'(
[14:15] <davmor2> diplo: if you cry in the corner then the bullies won, don't let them win they have some bullying left I'm sure ;)
[14:21] <DJones> Depends how much crying there is, if theres enough, the bullies could drown
[14:21] <daubers_> Or if you could cry tears of acid
[14:21] <daubers_> that would be cool
[14:22] <davmor2> diplo: on second thought keep crying we need to put an end to the drought some how :D
[14:24] <diplo> I'm smiling now
[14:24] <mattt> cry dammit cry
[14:25] <diplo> Get me some onions!
[14:59] <bigcalm> "I am pleased to inform you that your HP ProLiant Microserver Promotion request has been approved and details are below for your reference."
[14:59]  * bigcalm bounces
[15:04] <oimon> where does u1 download my document to when running android?
[15:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's your £100 back right
[15:04] <bigcalm> Daviey: yep
[15:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: tab fail fool
[15:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: with p&p and vat, the order came to £250. So the micro server for £150 isn't too bad
[15:05] <bigcalm> bigcalm: you fail with tab
[15:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice
[15:08] <diplo> bigcalm, they were quite prompt with the cheque as well
[15:09] <diplo> Getting work to order me one as well
[15:09] <bigcalm> diplo: within 45 days... Lets hope so ;)
[15:09] <diplo> Got mine in half that I think
[15:10] <davmor2_> sneaks up on bigcalm and tickles him
[15:10] <diplo> I got it before I got charged interest on the Credit card anyhoo
[15:13] <bigcalm> davmor2_: have you been cloning yourself?
[15:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: no it was the easy way to keep my laptop version of xchat logs the same as my desktop for thursday
[15:24] <bigcalm> I see
[15:28] <oimon> is there an extension to improve the bookmark manager in chrom/ium?
[15:29] <bigcalm> I use xmarks on all of my browsers
[15:29] <oimon> i thought that shut down?
[15:30] <bigcalm> Nope, it was bought
[15:30] <oimon> the chromium manaer is half baked
[15:39] <oimon> tbh i never actually use bookmarks after saving them
[15:48] <BigRedS> I've four or five I use for work, but they're only bookmarked to guarantee they're at the top of suggestions in teh address bar
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://drtechniko.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/how-to-train-your-robot/
[16:15] <popey> awww
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: Looks like a very cool way to teach "programmatic thinking"
[16:17] <popey> yeah
[16:25] <gord> hrm, third revo to upgrade from $random-animal release to current, first one to have problems :( can't get any display out of it
[16:25] <gord> x just gives up
[16:43] <popey> gord: i had that on my nvidia desktop
[16:43] <popey> i can manually start lightdm and it works
[16:44] <popey> but on boot it doesn't
[16:44] <bigcalm> My Revo has been powered down for the last 48 hours. This is the longest rest its had since I bought it
[16:44] <bigcalm> Will wait until 12.04 is 'ready' before putting it on there for my parents
[16:44] <popey> pffft
[16:44] <popey> wuss
[16:45] <bigcalm> :P
[16:45] <bigcalm> Well, considering that it'll have server rather than gui on it, doesn't really matter
[16:45] <bigcalm> Or shall I put X on it? Och, I dunno now
[16:45] <SuperEngineer> o/
[16:45] <SuperEngineer> this morning's darn 12.04 update completely broke cairo dock
[16:46] <bigcalm> It'll only be in their dumping spare room, without a monitor
[16:46] <bigcalm> 12.04 is not to be trusted!
[16:49]  * SuperEngineer kisses 10.04 partition... [&no double entendre meant!]
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: suuure
[16:49] <gord> popey, seems to be what i'm having, but it was trying to boot into gdm so maybe it was just that
[16:51] <gord> can't get audio out of it now, not through its audio jacks, hdmi or through my little usb -> 3.5mm jack device
[17:41] <bigcalm> I should move the server over to the UPS power block. Grumble sticks
[17:50] <Daviey> bigcalm: hey, wassup?
[17:51] <bigcalm> Daviey: tab failure, but it's good to see you're still alive :)
[17:55]  * AlanBell wonders if Daviey is going to UDS
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Adopt An ISO - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/17/adopt-an-iso/
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Severed Fifth Show The Weekend Before UDS - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/17/severed-fifth-show-the-weekend-before-uds/
[18:05] <Myrtti> I have no words ;___; been fighting with CMSMS for a day now and thought that there was something wrong with my skills or something, and it turns out that it just didn't like the loooooooonnnngggg CSS' files of Bootstrap and just cut them off.
[18:06] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's a shame :( I've spent a lot of time with CMSMS, but not recently. Hope the project is going well
[18:22] <Daviey> AlanBell: I am going to UDS.
[18:22] <Daviey> AlanBell: Probably leaving on Thurs tho.
[18:22]  * Daviey is currently in SF.
[18:25]  * czajkowski hugs AlanBell
[18:26] <czajkowski> Daviey: nice weather?
[18:27] <bigcalm> Daviey: and will you be coming to oggcamp?
[18:28] <Daviey> czajkowski: not bad
[18:28] <Daviey> bigcalm: maybe.
[18:29] <bigcalm> \o/
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> hmmm 12.04 is worth using again... Cairo dock now fixed :)
[19:46] <bigcalm> I wonder if jockey is fixed yet
[20:09] <bigcalm> There was an update
[20:09] <bigcalm> It didn't work
[20:09] <bigcalm> Poop
[20:12] <popey> pip pip
[20:12] <popey> choo choo also
[20:12] <bigcalm> That's a long day to be just going home
[20:12] <popey> indeed
[20:12]  * bigcalm heads off to Tesco - best time of day to do shopping
[20:12] <popey> also.. beer \o/
[20:13] <bigcalm> mmmm beer
[20:13] <StevenR> oo. beer. hmmm.
[20:13] <jussi> bigcalm: no way, 2am is the best time
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> ah! now there's a goo idea... beer [& whoopee - one bottle left]
[20:19] <bigcalm> jussi: not so much, I'm asleep at 2am
[20:19] <SuperEngineer> cheers folks
[20:46] <SuperEngineer> Just realised: 12.04 doesn't appear to offer me a hibernate option anywhere
[20:57] <AlanBell> no Kubuntu CDs this time :(
[20:57] <AlanBell> not sure what the chickens are going to do
[21:01] <czajkowski> server :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> yeah, I think it will have to be, but they will miss the GUI
[21:01] <Myrtti> SuperEngineer: I thought I read from somewhere that they've taken it off
[21:03] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, that would account for that ne then!  thanks
[21:04] <Myrtti> AIUI, I can't even hibernate as I've got random key encrypted swap
[21:13] <mgdm> anyone got a handy guide to updating a debian package to a newer release of the upstream code?
[21:13] <popey> pip pip
[21:13] <mgdm> (also, 'ello :)
[21:17] <ali1234> i wish i could post reaction faces on g+
[21:17] <ali1234> i think this would significantly improve the experience
[21:17] <popey> reaction to ?
[21:17] <ali1234> reaction to op of course
[21:18] <ali1234> you can't post links or images in replies
[21:18] <popey> oh i see
[21:28] <mgdm> OK, so that builds
[21:28]  * mgdm considers uploading it somewhere
[21:46]  * bigcalm pokes mc.net
[21:54] <popey> Azelphur: do you run garrysmod on linux?
[21:55] <Azelphur> popey: I've done it before but don't do it regularly
[21:55] <popey> how well does it run - e.g. on a Linux VPS?
[21:56] <Azelphur> are you talking about the server or the client?
[21:56] <popey> server
[21:57] <Azelphur> afaik garry is really bad at maintaining the Linux server
[21:57] <Azelphur> I remember having to run it under wine
[21:57] <popey> so i hear
[21:57] <popey> right, thats what i thought
[22:00] <Azelphur> popey: It did run ok under wine from what I could see though, I only used it when debugging a issue in SourceIRC that was specific to gmod
[22:22] <bigcalm> Night peeps :)