[01:31] <bryceh> cjwatson, nope, hadn't looked at the ubuntu-devel@ queue today
[01:35] <bryceh> slangasek, you about?
[01:35] <slangasek> bryceh: only for a second more
[01:36] <bryceh> slangasek, that xvfb issue with pygtk is actually a fakeroot bug, fixed in debian 1.17-1
[01:36] <bryceh> bug 829470
[01:36] <slangasek> oh, interesting
[01:37] <bryceh> slangasek, it's same as bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630591 in debian
[01:37] <slangasek> right, let me sync that
[01:37] <bryceh> awesome
[04:04] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[04:05] <DoctorPepper> as of today  does ubuntu support  systemd as an init system  without having to recompile the kernel  for cgroups support ?
[04:10] <RAOF> DoctorPepper: cgroups are enabled in the kernel, and I guess we've probably got Debian's systemd packages in the archive.
[04:11] <DoctorPepper> thanks
[04:12] <DoctorPepper> is the maintainer of appmenu  in here ?
[04:13] <pitti> Good morning
[04:13] <DoctorPepper> pitti:  good morning
[04:15] <pitti> slangasek: 832454> I understand how it is frustrating :/ indeed it seems we have lots of missing ddebs for these
[04:15] <pitti> now if only we had proper LP ddebs integration, the current hack has never been meant to even last that long :(
[04:15] <pitti> hey DoctorPepper
[04:16] <pitti> I just checked the ddeb-retriever, it's not stuck or anything
[04:16] <pitti> but it might be that some of the buildds are acting up, /me runs manually
[04:16] <pitti> sometimes the buildds time out when you try to talk to them, for several days
[04:17] <pitti> if it happens for more than two days, we lose ddebs
[04:37] <slangasek> RAOF: systemd isn't in the archive, and we definitely don't support it as an init system
[04:37] <slangasek> pitti: LP ddebs - yes, please :)
[04:38] <RAOF> slangasek: Oh, I certainly didn't mean to imply we would go so far as to *support* it; we've gone to the effort of blacklisting the sync, though?
[04:38] <slangasek> RAOF: you cannot run systemd as an init system on Ubuntu
[04:38] <slangasek> for whichever meaning of "support" you wish :)
[04:39] <RAOF> Just out of curiosity, what prevents that?
[04:39] <slangasek> the fact that all of our startup is done with native upstart jobs
[04:39] <pitti> I actually had a 10.10 system running with the systemd PPA packages
[04:39] <RAOF> I mean, apart from the bunch of packages that have native upstart scripts.
[04:39] <pitti> that PPA has a package to provide some missing ones
[04:39] <slangasek> that bunch of packages is pretty much the default Ubuntu install :)
[04:40] <RAOF> Ah.  Just the bunch of packages with native upstart scripts?  Oh, things like mountall probably don't get systemded, either.
[04:40] <pitti> RAOF: mountall isn't necessary with systemd
[04:40] <RAOF> So, as long as you rewrote a bunch of init scripts, it'd work :)
[04:40] <pitti> actually, most of the early startup is already done by systemd itself
[04:41] <pitti> the scary thing is that it sucks in more and more of the boot/system services stuff
[04:41] <pitti> it's like a "liblinux" now
[04:41] <pitti> so it doesn't require (and doesn't actually allow) a lot of configuration or script tweaking
[04:41] <pitti> which makes it easy for trying out, but rather hard as an admin to customize
[04:45]  * slangasek nods
[06:03] <sgnb> infinity: type-conv needs to be rebuilt as well
[06:22] <infinity> sgnb: I noticed that, due to the dep-wait.  Building now.
[06:26] <infinity> sgnb: The segv on powerpc in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78022053/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-powerpc.ocaml-extunix_0.0.3-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is disconcerting.
[06:27]  * infinity retries to see if it was cosmic rays.
[06:27] <nigelb> Or an unfortunate alignment of the planets ;)
[06:27] <infinity> Moon phase, etc, yes.
[06:36] <sgnb> infinity: it happens also in Debian, see http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=5334
[06:37] <sgnb> I'm planning to disable this test on armel and powerpc
[06:38] <infinity> sgnb: Disabling the test seems like the wrong fix. :P
[06:40] <sgnb> infinity: feel free to submit a proper fix
[06:41] <sgnb> backtrace() seems an esoteric feature enough to me
[06:42] <sgnb> (I mean, for exotic architectures such as powerpc)
[06:42] <infinity> sgnb: PowerPC isn't that exotic. :P
[06:42] <infinity> sgnb: But I also have no interest in fixing it, so.. :)
[06:59] <sgnb> infinity: ocaml-data-notation failed because of type-conv
[07:04] <infinity> sgnb: I know. :)
[07:04] <infinity> sgnb: Waiting for the type-conv binaries to be published and I'll retry it.
[07:07] <infinity> sgnb: Any interest in feeding me a fixed ocaml-extunix?
[07:09] <sgnb> I'll upload one to Debian... but it's not urgent (no reverse-dependencies)
[07:09] <infinity> Shiny.  That's what I needed to know.
[07:09] <infinity> Just poke me to sync it sometime, then.
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <makara> if I install Ocelot Alpha, will the automatic updates bring it up to the full release in October, or will I have to download that CD again?
[07:43] <infinity> makara: -> #ubuntu
[07:43] <makara> k
[09:53] <doko> pitti, sqlite ping ...
[09:53] <pitti> doko: pong
[09:53] <pitti> --verbose?
[09:54] <doko> pitti: what is left to demote it?
[09:54]  * pitti checkrdepends
[09:55] <pitti> -- oneiric/main amd64 deps on libsqlite0:
[09:55] <pitti> php5-sqlite
[09:55] <pitti> -- oneiric/main build deps on libsqlite0-dev:
[09:55] <pitti> bacula
[09:55] <pitti> libdbi-drivers
[09:56] <pitti> doko: nothing in main depends on php5-sqlite except for php5-dbg
[09:56] <pitti> so in theory it could be split out of the source
[09:57] <pitti> Bacula looks weird, it b-deps on both libsqlite0-dev and libsqlite3-dev
[09:57] <pitti> Daviey: ^ do you guys still care about bacula?
[09:57] <pitti> if not, perhaps it could just be demoted?
[09:58] <pitti> libdbi-drivers presumably needs it to build libdbd-sqlite, but it also builds libdbd-sqlite3
[09:58] <zyga> mvo: hi
[09:59] <mvo> hey zyga
[09:59] <doko> well, that could be built in universe too
[09:59] <zyga> mvo: I started merging a few patches and hit a wall with broken i18n support
[09:59] <zyga> mvo: would you mind looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/command-not-found/rework-locale-support/+merge/72848
[09:59] <zyga> mvo: this is my attempt to fix them
[10:00] <pitti> doko: frankly, I'd just drop it from dbi-drivers
[10:00] <pitti> doko: libdbd-sqlite has exactly one rdepends in universe
[10:00] <pitti> interchange-cat-standard
[10:00] <pitti> which has alternative dependencies
[10:00] <mvo> zyga: sure, I will do after lunch
[10:01] <zyga> mvo: thanks
[10:02] <pitti> doko: so, I think the hardest one is php5-sqlite
[10:02] <pitti> dbi-drivers is easy to fix, and for bacula it should be possible to drop the b-dep (let's see whether server team still cares)
[10:19] <doko> pitti, sounds like a plan
[10:24] <Daviey> pitti: Where are you seeing bacula showing up?  I don't see it on c-m's?
[10:31] <pitti> Daviey: it doesn't show up in reports, we'd just like to get rid of sqlite for good
[10:31] <Daviey> pitti: but keep sqlite3?
[10:32] <pitti> yes
[10:32] <Daviey> pitti: Super,  Yes - i am happy for Bacula to be demoted.  It's not recieving the attention it probably deserves.
[10:34] <Daviey> times like this popcon by default for devel release would be handy to find out if anyone has actually tried it!
[10:35] <seb128> ev, do you know if anyone is working on updating the ubiquity slideshow for oneiric?
[10:37] <cjwatson> 11:12 <CIA-18> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r360 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Bump version strings to 11.10.
[10:37] <cjwatson> 11:16 <CIA-18> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r361 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 41
[10:38] <seb128> cjwatson, right, still it lists evolution as being our email client
[10:39] <seb128> cjwatson, that's this upload which made me think about it ;-) I noticed recently the content was still not updated
[11:00] <wildfire> hi, who can do a stable release update request for bug #817119 ?
[11:08] <wildfire> who is able to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates to indicate that 'mere mortals' can not nominate a bug for SRU
[11:08] <wildfire> apparently it is an immutable page
[11:08] <pitti> wildfire: everyone can nominate
[11:09] <wildfire> pitti: no they can not
[11:09] <pitti> well, only few people can actually accept the task
[11:09] <wildfire> please see: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/140509
[11:09] <pitti> maybe nomination is limited as well
[11:10] <pitti> actually that's good news -- nominations are fairly useless
[11:10] <wildfire> pitti: well, good news for developers, I guess
[11:10] <wildfire> frustrating for users
[11:11] <wildfire> particularly when the process is described so throughly, and is so throughly wrong
[11:11] <pitti> not any more frustrating than nominating it and then never see anything happen
[11:11] <pitti> merely asking "I want this fixed" isn't magically going to make it happen
[11:12] <pitti> but in general, subscribing ubuntu-sru with an explanation why this is SRU worthy also works, and doesn't need nomination
[11:12] <pitti> or even better, uploading a fix :)
[11:12] <pitti> wildfire: that page isn't wrong, though -- developers can nominate
[11:14] <wildfire> pitti: I did not realise that the page was geared towards developers, I believed it was geared towards the people actually taking the time to report a bug and then hearing it has been fixed in a later version -- and that if the reporter wanted the bug fixed in that stable version, that was the process to follow
[11:14] <wildfire> pitti: care to update it to clarify that the audience is people who are both bug reporters and developers?
[11:14] <pitti> no, perhaps this should be clarified then
[11:15] <pitti> this is for people who want to do an SRU, not like to see a bug fixed
[11:15] <pitti> do you have a proposal how to clarify this?
[11:15] <pitti> e. g. append "This page describes the process for developers." to the first paragraph?
[11:24] <poolie> o/ wildfire
[11:26] <wildfire> pitti, poolie: I'd have: "If you would like to request a SRU and you are not a developer, please follow the procedure outlined at StabelReleaseUpdateRequest. This page documents the process for developers completing SRU requests."
[11:26] <poolie> good idea
[11:26] <wildfire> You can make the SRURequest page a blank wiki link and it can be filled in later on
[11:27] <poolie> there has been a lot of churn in the past because with so many users to developers any popular bug will get requests, regardless of feasibility or availability of effort to do it
[11:27] <pitti> well, there's not much to write there -- find a developer to fix it
[11:27] <poolie> as pitti says people just saying "i want this fixed"
[11:29] <wildfire> poolie, pitti: is the issue that the requests are invalid, or there is not enough time / developers to do it?
[11:30] <wildfire> I think there are different ways to address things depending on what is the main problem with requests
[11:30] <wildfire> if the former, you can suggest that a 'power user' (perhaps an MOTU? althougth aiui they don't exist anymore), should nominate things
[11:30] <StevenK> MOTU do still exist
[11:31] <wildfire> if the later, make triaging an SRU request part of the application process
[11:31] <wildfire> StevenK: OK, good to know - I was under the impression with fine-grained upload permissions, that someone who could upload an package into 'universe' or 'multiverse' was a thing of the past
[11:33] <poolie> in this case obviously there is an apparently working fix for it
[11:34] <poolie> if they make a merge proposal into the relevant branch that should fix it off
[11:34] <poolie> wildfire: i think the issue (which doesn't apply to this bug in particular) in general is a bit of both
[11:34] <pitti> wildfire: MOTUs are in the ubuntu-bugcontrol team and can nominate, yes
[11:35] <geser> wildfire: as 'universe' and 'multiverse' still exist we need MOTU to take care of it and even after that we need MOTU to take care of the packages that nobody takes care of
[11:35] <janimo> is Keybuk around this channel these days? Alternately is there any other public venue I can ping him on?
[11:35] <pitti> janimo: in principle yes, but only scarcely
[11:35] <janimo> I have ureadahead related questions but would rather not mail him personally
[11:35] <pitti> janimo: during European evening/Californian day mostly
[11:36] <pitti> janimo: mail should work fine
[11:36] <janimo> pitti, thanks, I'll keep an eye on him showing up :)
[11:36] <pitti> cjwatson: argh, just got a reject for my libivgraimpex upload
[11:36] <pitti> cjwatson: anyway, thanks for fixing it, too!
[11:37] <pitti> seems the bug assignment had a mid-air collision in LP
[11:37] <wildfire> poolie: maybe there should be a 'good SRU nominator' flag for people who consistently suggest good candidates for SRUs?
[11:38] <poolie> that's an interesting idea
[11:38] <poolie> or maybe more generally people who can't upload but who can be trusted to triage
[11:38] <poolie> (or is that already ~ubuntu-bugcontrol?)
[11:39] <poolie> perhaps ideally it would go off (a much better version of) karma
[11:39] <pitti> if these people could also dig out the corresponding patches, that'd help a lot
[11:40] <pitti> ScottK: oh, that was fast :)
[11:40] <pitti> Daviey: do you have an opinion on bug 833684?
[11:40] <pitti> Daviey: if you are fine with it, I can go ahead and do the syncs now
[11:41] <pitti> (and add the remaining package tasks to track the rdepends)
[12:02] <Daviey> pitti: comment added, TL;DR +1.
[12:12] <cjwatson> pitti: ah, heh, oh well
[12:12] <cjwatson> pitti: same fix? :)
[12:12] <pitti> yeah
[12:30] <cjwatson> directhex: bug 803978 - how about mono-uia, which depends on mono-debugger?
[12:30] <directhex> cjwatson, mono-uia depends on other things which are gone from mono. and the team behind it was laid off. Laney, didn't we file an RM request on uia*?
[12:31] <Laney> no
[12:31] <Laney> ray was/is hoping to resurrect it
[12:31] <Laney> but if removed, it can always be reintroduced
[12:32] <cjwatson> want to add a mono-uia task to that bug, then?
[12:33] <pitti> doko, Daviey: I'm touching bacula anyway for psql 9.1; while I'm at it, I'll also drop bacula-director-sqlite (no rdepends) and the sqlite2 dep
[12:33] <pitti> bacula-director-sqlite is a migration package, and we have carried it long enough (it's in lucid)
[12:34] <pitti> so there's an upgrade path
[12:34] <doko> \o/
[12:35] <Daviey> pitti: why didn't we drop it post lucid?
[12:35] <pitti> Daviey: I don't know
[12:35] <pitti> well, we do now
[12:38] <Daviey> We do a crappy job at transitional package planning :)
[12:39] <Daviey> I have NFI what ones we can drop after the next LTS.
[12:39] <pitti> well, in most cases it doesn't really hurt to have them around longer than necessary
[12:39] <pitti> but we stumble over them when we try to remove cruft
[12:42] <Daviey> I still wonder how many people installed mysql-server-5.X directly rather than mysql-server, and lost their upgrade path.
[12:44] <nigelb> Daviey: dear god.
[12:44] <nigelb> we're supposed to isntall mysql-server?
[12:44] <Daviey> nigelb: shutt'it
[12:45]  * nigelb always did 5.X
[12:45] <nigelb> :(
[12:46] <tseliot> pitti: can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 in bug #741930 and nvidia-common in bug #825259 (both in natty-proposed), please? (I did what RAOF and slangasek requested)
[13:02] <ximion> hi! I'm currently working on bug 831271 , an FTBFS because of multiarch-support...
[13:02] <ximion> why does debhelper install the library into multiarch paths even if this packages does NOT enable multiarch?
[13:02] <pitti> Daviey, doko: bacula uploaded, sqlite2 -= 1
[13:03] <pitti> doko: php5 looks strange -- it only b-deps on libsqlite3-dev, not on 0-dev, and yet php5-sqlite binary-depends on it
[13:03] <Daviey> pitti: \o/
[13:16] <debfx> ximion: qmake installs the libraries into the multiarch path
[13:22] <ximion> debfx: good to know... I'm converting this package to multiarch right now, so this problem should go away
[13:22] <ximion> is this qmake change an upstream change or a Debian change?
[13:23] <ximion> if it's Debian, it would have been nice if it would've been activated on multiarch packages only.
[13:23] <ximion> I guess this package is not the only one which FTBFS now
[13:25] <tseliot> pitti: ^^^
[13:25] <pitti> tseliot: erm, what, qmake, what?
[13:26] <tseliot> pitti: I wrote you about my packages in natty-proposed
[13:26] <tseliot> pitti: (at 02:46)
[13:27] <tseliot> pitti: or I can copy and paste the message if you prefer
[13:27] <pitti> tseliot: hm, here? I don't see it
[13:27] <pitti> tseliot: if you can re-paste in /msg, that'd be appreciated
[13:27] <tseliot> pitti: can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 in bug #741930 and nvidia-common in bug #825259 (both in natty-proposed), please? (I did what RAOF and slangasek requested)
[13:28] <tseliot> oh, sorry, you said in /msg
[13:28] <pitti> tseliot: yep, I'll get to it; doing SRU review right now
[13:28] <tseliot> pitti: great, thanks
[13:30] <pitti> mterry: rejecting your p-distutils-extra SRU, no bug ref in changelog
[13:31] <pitti> mterry: you can reupload with -v to include the previous chagnelog
[13:31] <mterry> pitti, ah, whoops.  OK
[13:36] <pitti> tseliot: why was the debconf bit disabled?
[13:40] <pitti> SpamapS: FYI, can't accept mdadm natty-proposed; it's already in -proposed, and bug 778520 is v-failed
[13:41] <tseliot> pitti: because there can be nasty interactions when dist-upgrading and it's obsolete anyway
[13:41] <pitti> tseliot: ok
[13:48] <debfx> ximion: it's a configure option of Qt
[13:48] <debfx> ximion: Debian hasn't converted Qt for multiarch (yet)
[13:50] <ximion> debfx: ah, okay :)
[14:01] <SpamapS> pitti: oops I forgot to mention that the new upload actually fixes the regression that caused 778520 to fail
[14:02] <pitti> SpamapS: ah, can you then please reupload with -v to include the previous changelog?
[14:02] <pitti> SpamapS: I rejected your current upload, so you can re-use the version number
[14:02] <SpamapS> pitti: sure, I thought that was only necessary if it had actually been removed.
[14:03] <pitti> SpamapS: no, it needs to have all chagnelogs which have been piling up in -proposed until it gets into -updates
[14:09] <SpamapS> pitti: alright, re-uploaded with full changelog
[14:15] <mterry> ev, you around?  I think the recent live cd problems are ubiquity problems
[14:19] <ev> mterry: which ones, specifically?
[14:20] <mterry> ev, sorry, the one where X doesn't come up
[14:20] <mterry> ev, seems to be a gir problem in ubiquity-dm
[14:20] <mterry> GdkPixbuf.render_pixmap_and_mask isn't being found
[14:21] <ev> ah indeed, that's definitely on my list
[14:21] <ev> just sorting out the unicode issues in usersetup and friends first
[14:22] <cjwatson> mterry: bug 830892
[14:22] <cjwatson> (dup, but it has my first non-working sketch at a fix ...)
[14:23] <mdeslaur> slangasek, infinity: does this look sane to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/674544/
[14:24] <seb128> ev, btw it's probably on your list as well but you still use gconf keys which are deprecated rather than gsettings
[14:25] <seb128> just saying it as a reminder, it will create bugs for proxy and things like that if you rely on gconf
[14:25] <ev> okay, thanks for the reminder
[14:26] <mterry> cjwatson, thanks!
[14:27] <shnatsel> Hi everybody! I'm making an Ubuntu derivative and I'm trying to generate dependency lists using Germinate. All existing seed-based packages are limited to Ubuntu repositories; is there a way to make Germinate use several repositories, e.g. Ubuntu + PPAs?
[14:29] <shnatsel> s/all existing packages/all the packages I could find/
[14:32] <shnatsel> I couldn't find any docs about such things, and all the examples use Ubuntu repositories only
[14:34] <mterry> shnatsel, I really feel like it is possible.  I think I've done it before, but that was a long time ao
[14:35] <mterry> shnatsel, I don't remember details or where to point you, so that's useless info, sorry  :-/
[14:39] <doko> Daviey, will nova reach main before the beta freeze?
[14:40] <shnatsel> that looks like bug 571793 also
[14:41] <Daviey> doko: no
[14:41] <shnatsel> Ah, I've found the format but bug 634831 will kill my attempts anyway
[14:41] <Daviey> doko: Well.. unless python-carrot can be thrown in main just to be demoted when a bug we are blocked on is satisifed.
[14:42] <Daviey> Or, just c-m stick on python-carrot.. either way
[14:54] <cjwatson> shnatsel: oh, yeah, I was going to deal with that for Oneiric
[14:55] <ahasenack> how do I get a verbose debian/rules file nowadays? dh_make just creates that two liner one now (%:\n\tdh $@)
[14:55] <shnatsel> cjwatson: so, when can one expect the patch to land?
[14:55] <cjwatson> shnatsel: over the next week or so
[14:55] <azeem> ahasenack: the longer templates are still in the dh_make package I think
[14:56] <cjwatson> ahasenack: dh_make -r old, but why would you want to ...
[14:56] <ahasenack> azeem: dpkg -L dh-make | grep rules only gave me the short ones
[14:56] <shnatsel> cjwatson: great, thanks! It's blocking all the fun in elementary OS ISO testing atm :(
[14:56] <shnatsel> (luckily we have Glimpse)
[14:56] <ahasenack> cjwatson: I need to customize this build a lot
[14:57] <ahasenack> I have 3 setup.py scripts I have to call, and produce 3 binary packages
[14:57] <ahasenack> hmm, no such option -r
[14:57] <ahasenack> I'm on lucid
[14:58] <ahasenack> hmm, wait
[14:58] <ahasenack> -r, --createorig
[14:58] <ahasenack> doesn't sound related
[14:58] <shnatsel> and`:
[14:58] <shnatsel> sorry
[14:59] <shnatsel> ahasenack: I assume you want to get a list of all the actions taken by debhelper and override some of them with custom ones, right?
[14:59] <ahasenack> shnatsel: right, but it's not just override, I need to insert more actions in the middle
[15:00] <ahasenack> shnatsel: so when overriding, I actually want to preserve what was there already and just add new things
[15:00] <shnatsel> ahasenack: in such cases I usually override the action with itself and some added stuff
[15:00] <ahasenack> shnatsel: like dh_install_override: (stuff), but how to call the original dh_install?
[15:01] <cjwatson> this is documented ...
[15:01] <cjwatson> man dh
[15:01] <cjwatson> YM override_dh_install: and then you can just call dh_install, it won't infinite-recurse
[15:02] <ahasenack> ok, that was a bad (simple) example
[15:02] <ahasenack> what about binary-indep:
[15:02] <ahasenack> it expands into a whole lot of dh_* commands
[15:02] <cjwatson> you don't override binary-indep en masse
[15:02] <cjwatson> you override individual ones
[15:02] <shnatsel> ahasenack: --before and --after ?
[15:03] <cjwatson> those are deprecated
[15:03] <shnatsel> oh, I have an outdated man, sorry
[15:03] <ahasenack> exactly, so I need to know the individual ones
[15:03] <shnatsel> ahasenack: that's documented
[15:03] <cjwatson> sure, but that's easy ...
[15:03] <cjwatson> and you normally only need to override the ones that are relevant to your package
[15:03] <shnatsel> To see what commands are included in a sequence, without actually doing
[15:03] <shnatsel>        anything:
[15:03] <shnatsel>                dh binary-arch --no-act
[15:03] <ahasenack> shnatsel: that's why I wanted a template rules file with this filled in already
[15:04] <cjwatson> shnatsel: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper/news/20110806T234709Z.html
[15:05] <cjwatson> ahasenack: I'm definitely not saying it's always easy, and there are cases where using the minimal rules file is more effort than it's worth; so far your case doesn't sound like one of those, though
[15:06] <ahasenack> cjwatson: I need to basically loop over three setup.py, located in three different directories. For some reason, upstream chose to have everything in one branch, but they distribute 3 separate tarballs
[15:06] <ahasenack> cjwatson: and I want to build from this branch
[15:06] <cjwatson> so override dh_auto_build and dh_auto_install
[15:06] <cjwatson> that's all it takes to do that
[15:07] <ahasenack> cjwatson: ok,I will see what other actions dh_auto_build and dh_auto_install do, so I can preserve them where appropriate and insert my own
[15:07] <shnatsel> gtg; cjwatson, thanks for your help!
[15:08] <cjwatson> dh_auto_build is a generic per-buildsystem equivalent of 'make' and dh_auto_install is a generic equivalent of 'make install'
[15:09] <cjwatson> if you still want a better dh_make then it might be worth just grabbing the dh-make package from oneiric
[15:11] <ahasenack> I guess I need to look at an example with multiple binary packages and just using overrides in rules
[15:11] <ahasenack> no "expanded" rules file
[15:12] <dholbach> pitti, does the work item tracker add bugs that are linked to blueprints as work items?
[15:12] <apw> ogasawara, just a heads up i've just discovered we didn't make a WI for reviewing compcache and family; came up cause its also not working as is.  Have added a new WI on delta-review for it
[15:12] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[15:12] <apw> bah wrong channel
[15:14] <cjwatson> ahasenack: in roughly ascending order of complexity from my own packages: libpipeline, putty, groff (I'm afraid I have no python ones to show you off the top of my head, but python-ness and multi-binary-ness are pretty orthogonal really)
[15:16] <ahasenack> cjwatson: ok, and you control which file goes into which package with <package>.install files
[15:17] <cjwatson> right, generally
[15:17] <ahasenack> no need for -p <package> command line option to some dh_* tool
[15:17] <ahasenack> but if there is, then you would need to put that in the rules file somewhere
[15:17] <cjwatson> occasionally you need those, but I find it's best to regard that as exceptional
[15:18] <ahasenack> I guess I was looking at older packages, I saw -p being used and thought I would need that and didn't look at <package>,install files
[15:19] <ahasenack> cjwatson: thanks, that helps
[15:20] <ahasenack> putty is "expanded" already
[15:20] <cjwatson> not in oneiric
[15:20] <cjwatson> you should take all my references as referring to the most current version, not whatever's in lucid
[15:20] <ahasenack> ah, right, sorry :)
[15:21] <cjwatson> http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/pkg-ssh/putty/trunk/annotate/head:/debian/rules
[15:24] <ahasenack> cjwatson: looks much simpler indeed
[15:25] <pitti> dholbach: yes
[15:25] <ahasenack> cjwatson: I looked at this the other day and panicked: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~therve/twisted/debian/view/head:/rules
[15:26] <ahasenack> maybe it's possible to build that with just overrides, maybe not
[15:26] <cjwatson> yeah, I wouldn't have picked twisted as an example myself :)
[15:26] <cjwatson> I would expect rather a lot of that could disappear if modernised
[15:27] <ahasenack> cool, hopefully one day I'll know enough to do that :)
[15:27] <cjwatson> it is possible to build anything with just overrides; I'm pretty certain they're formally equivalent
[15:27] <slangasek> pitti: php5 has a FTBFS I can't reproduce locally, preventing the binary sqlite0 dep being dropped
[15:27] <cjwatson> in some cases it produces something that's longer / harder to read than the original, and so isn't worth it; I don't *think* twisted would be such a case but I'd have to try it to be sure of that
[15:28] <pitti> slangasek: ah, thanks for the info
[15:28] <cjwatson> switching d-i from long-form files to dh7 was a vast improvement in readability in almost all cases, because now the rules files only described what was unusual
[15:28] <slangasek> pitti: sure - guesses as to the cause of the FTBFS are welcome...
[15:29] <tgardner> so whats the story on this? Its kind of got my desktop hosed.
[15:29] <tgardner> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:29] <tgardner>  ubuntu-desktop : Depends: unity but it is not going to be installed
[15:29] <tgardner>                   Depends: unity-2d but it is not going to be installed
[15:29] <tgardner> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[15:30] <seb128> tgardner, don't use dist-upgrade without reading what it wants to do
[15:32] <tgardner> seb128, with the torrent of package updates daily, I'm unlikely to notice. the basic question, though, is why unity is uninstallable ?
[15:34] <seb128> tgardner, use upgrade instead of distr-upgrade or read what it wants to uninstall before saying yes
[15:34] <seb128> tgardner, because nux is abi instable and unity needs to be updated in the same upgrade run when there is a nux update
[15:35] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/oneiric_probs.html unity isn't uninstallable right now but unity-2d is
[15:35] <seb128> tgardner, unity needs the new nux to build though so during the nux is built and unity is building you get those issues
[15:35] <seb128> cjwatson, yeah, cf #ubuntu-release ;-)
[15:35] <seb128> unity-2d needs either a no change update or a ffe for the new version
[15:35] <andy753421> Could I trouble someone in ubuntu-sponsors to finish a sync request for me for launchpad bugs 832611, 832613, and 832614?
[15:35] <seb128> that's being worked
[15:36] <cjwatson> Sweetshark: can openoffice.org-l10n-be-by and openoffice.org-l10n-ns be removed from their source package?  their dependencies are uninstallable and I think removed
[15:36] <tgardner> seb128, hrmph. I think I'll just go away and wait until its unf*cked.
[15:36] <andy753421> The feature freeze was approved, so i think it just need to be synced? (sorry for the last minute rush)
[15:36] <seb128> tgardner, you can get the unity debs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/4.10.0-0ubuntu1
[15:40] <slangasek> mdeslaur: I would suggest not changing the debconf template names / var dir names as part of the transition (that way, previously-answered cache values can be reused); the "debconf" dependency should be replaced with ${misc:Depends} (noticed because you've dropped the | debconf-2.0 from the hand-written dep, which is incorrect); you seem to have dropped the versioned dependencies on libnss3-1d and libnspr4-0d, which were presumably there
[15:40] <slangasek> ... reason; I think the Conflicts/Replaces on flashplugin-installer should be Breaks/Replaces (per policy); flashplugin-installer shouldn't be Multi-Arch: same (i386 and amd64 packages shouldn't be co-installable); prerm has some dead update-rc.d code that can be dropped, there is no flashplugin-downloader init script to clean up
[15:41] <slangasek> mdeslaur: that's it, just minor issues
[15:44] <mdeslaur> slangasek: the versioned deps on libnss3-1d and libnspr4-0d were for versions older than any release we support. Why can't debconf-2.0 be removed?
[15:46] <cjwatson> because sooner or later we will manage to switch to cdebconf, and anything without | debconf-2.0 will impede that
[15:46] <slangasek> mdeslaur: debconf-2.0 is the virtual package refering to the debconf *interface* in use; there are two packages in the archive implementing it, debconf and cdebconf, and what cjwatson said
[15:46] <cjwatson> we went to all that effort to add it to everything ...
[15:46] <cjwatson> I agree, just use ${misc:Depends}
[15:47] <mdeslaur> oh! ok, I see
[15:47] <Sweetshark> cjwatson: *sigh* does that have to be prebeta?
[15:49] <cjwatson> Sweetshark: I don't *think* so, although it's possible it will necessitate some annoying workarounds
[15:49] <cjwatson> but it needs to be done for release
[15:49] <mdeslaur> slangasek: do you'd keep installing everything in the /*/share/flashplugin-installer directories?
[15:49] <mdeslaur> s/do/so/
[15:49] <Sweetshark> cjwatson: wont be a problem till the release
[15:53] <cjwatson> Sweetshark: thanks
[15:54] <cjwatson> Sweetshark: I think there are a few others too - check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[15:55] <slangasek> mdeslaur: if you keep the same directories for /var, we can reuse the existing debconf settings with minimal work; I think that's more important than having consistency in the directory names under /var, but I don't feel too strongly about this
[15:56] <mdeslaur> slangasek: no, I agree now that I've thought about it. Thanks for your review!
[15:56] <slangasek> mdeslaur: actually, I would change the /var/lib and /usr/lib directory names to match the current package name - it's only /var/cache that gets referenced in the debconf question
[15:56] <slangasek> mdeslaur: no problem :)
[15:58] <mdeslaur> slangasek: nspluginwrapper has some special case handling for /*/lib/flashplugin-installer, so I'll keep it as-is for now
[15:58] <Laney> cjwatson: added tasks to bug 803978
[15:58] <slangasek> mdeslaur: ah, ok
[15:58] <apw> pitti, i wonder if you'd have a few mins to review an initramfs-tools fix to fix up our utterly broke compcache support and switch it to zram drive: https://code.launchpad.net/~apw/ubuntu/oneiric/initramfs-tools/compcache-zram
[15:58] <Laney> we'll be coming up with some more removals soon to complete the transition
[15:58] <Laney> also db4o is NEW if you fancy it
[16:00] <apw> (pitti of course that would not be something we'd want uploaded before b1 is out)
[16:06]  * ahasenack -> lunch
[16:07] <doko> siretart, x264 ping
[16:11] <Laney> all punted to -archive except for nlog removal which is coming up
[16:22] <mdeslaur> slangasek, infinity: flashplugin-nonfree uploaded. thanks!
[16:23] <Daviey> Does this mean we can all have glorious flash agin?
[16:23] <Daviey> again?
[16:24] <ion> FSVO glorious
[16:28] <siretart> doko: hi
[16:57] <infinity> mdeslaur: New binary accepted.  Please submit it to rigorous upgrade testing.  Pretty please? :)
[16:58] <mdeslaur> infinity: I tested it before uploading
[16:58] <infinity> mdeslaur: I assumed.
[17:09] <slangasek> mdeslaur: thanks for taking care of it :)
[17:27] <mdz> kees, Keybuk, pitti, will you be attending techboard in 30 minutes?
[17:27] <mdz> (cjwatson and sabdfl sent apologies already)
[17:32] <sgnb> infinity: you can sync ocaml-extunix from sid now
[17:45] <pitti> mdz: yes
[17:46] <pitti> mdz: who is chairing today?
[17:47] <mdz> pitti, I am
[17:56] <ScottK> slangasek: I have this feeling https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110816/+build/2697906/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.korundum_4%3A4.7.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is multiarch related.  I'd appreciate any hints you might have to offer.
[17:58] <slangasek> ScottK: has akonadi been rebuilt yet for multiarched qt?  It embeds paths in its cmake files, so at minimum needs a no-change rebuild
[17:59] <slangasek> (debfx commented the other day that he'd like to fix this "properly" in cmake, but that's a tall order)
[17:59] <slangasek> ah yes, you did that rebuild on the 18th
[18:00] <ScottK> slangasek: Yep.
[18:00] <slangasek> could be the same problem in another library further up the stack.  libsoprano, probably?
[18:00] <ScottK> I'll try it.
[18:13] <shbk> does anybody have experience with compiling of modules for kernel?   I've described problem detailed here : http://gekannt.narod2.ru/       .thanks in advance
[18:13] <pitti> drat, ubiquity seems to silently crash with new pygobject
[18:14] <pitti> ev: ^ did you happen to try ubiquity with the pygobject 2.90 packages already? I'm going to look into this, but want to avoid double work in debugging
[18:15] <shbk> I can't find linux/module.h,  do I need to recompile kernel?
[18:16] <cjwatson> apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[18:17] <Daviey> For dh python2 transitions, is python > 2.6.6-3~ a requirement or a recommendation... and could i have some more detail on the reasoning please?
[18:17] <shbk> I have done this
[18:17] <sladen> shbk: install linux-headers-*  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=linux/module.h
[18:17] <shbk> sh@sh-laptop:~$ uname -r
[18:17] <shbk> 2.6.32-33-generic
[18:17] <shbk> I have headers
[18:17] <cjwatson> perhaps your module's build system is broken then
[18:17] <shbk> I didn't do nothing them yet, honestly
[18:17] <cjwatson> it should (IIRC) be passing -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include to the compile
[18:18] <cjwatson> *compiler
[18:18] <cjwatson> and if you're running gcc by hand, you'll need to do that
[18:18] <shbk> I'm trying
[18:18] <ScottK> slangasek: Seemed to help.  I'll clean this up and go for it.  Thanks.
[18:19] <slangasek> ScottK: cool-o
[18:22] <mdz> pitti, cjwatson, Keybuk, who chaired the previous meeting? no minutes went out
[18:22] <shbk> I 've done,  nevertheless,I 'am receiving new errors   : gcc  -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include hello.c -o hello.o
[18:22] <shbk> In file included from /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/list.h:6,
[18:22] <shbk>                  from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/module.h:9,
[18:22] <shbk>                  from hello.c:1:
[18:22] <shbk> /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/prefetch.h:14:27: error: asm/processor.h: No such file or directory
[18:22] <shbk> /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/prefetch.h:15:23: error: asm/cache.h: No such file or directory
[18:22] <shbk> In file included from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/module.h:9,
[18:22] <pitti> mdz: I'm not sure, I was on the desktop summit and couldn't attend
[18:22] <shbk> and futher futher futher...
[18:22] <Keybuk> mdz: I did
[18:22] <shbk> here is full listing http://gekannt.narod2.ru/ on the right side
[18:22] <shbk> any ideas?
[18:23] <cjwatson> I suggest that either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel would be more appropriate
[18:23] <shbk> I was sent from ubuntu)
[18:23] <cjwatson> they were wrong
[18:23] <cjwatson> sorry, but this isn't an escalated support channel and they should know that ...
[18:24] <shbk> may it will be better to reinstall ubuntu or  reinstall headers?
[18:24] <shbk> may it help?
[18:24] <cjwatson> vast overkill and will not help.
[18:24] <cjwatson> you just need a fixed module build system, but (a) I don't know the exact details and (b) this isn't the right place
[18:25] <shbk> well , nevetheless thanks for #ubuntu-kernel)
[18:26] <cjwatson> you might look for a competently maintained module and borrow its build system
[18:26] <cjwatson> I suspect it might end up including /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/Makefile somewhere along the way, but I haven't looked at any of this for ages
[18:26] <cjwatson> rolling your own build system is unlikely to be a good use of time, anyway
[18:30] <sladen> shbk: http://lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch02.pdf
[18:45] <shbk> I 've started from this book, authors are Alessandro Rubini && jonatan Corbet, I'm in a circle)
[19:08] <sgnb> infinity: and oasis should be rebuilt as well
[19:31] <doko> Daviey, soren: rampart seems to belong to the eucalyptus stack, but is still in main. could you have a look?
[19:31] <doko> same for axis2c
[19:32] <soren> AFAIK, they were only there for Eucalyptus' sake. If nothing else needs them, I don't see any reason not to demote them.
[19:38] <Daviey> doko: Oh, that can go.  Infact, i'd like to kill our debain delta on that.. but that is unrelated.
[19:43] <doko> Daviey, well, find out what keeps it in main ...
[19:50] <Daviey> doko: I can't see that anything is, it's not directly seeded - and it's rdepends are all universe. :/
[19:51] <stgraber> doko: where do you see it still in main? A quick lookup here shows me that source is in universe and all its binaries too
[19:52] <stgraber> doko: same with axis2c actually, source and binaries appear as being in universe here (up to date oneiric)
[19:52] <Daviey> doko: where are you seeing it in main?
[19:52] <Daviey> stgraber: yeah, that is what i am seeing.
[19:54] <doko> stgraber, ahh, fooled by the test rebuild page
[20:16] <pitti> darn LibO FTBFS, seems to stumble over new libpq-dev from today :/
[20:19] <ahasenack> is there a mailing lest to send basic packaging questions to? Perhaps motu?
[20:23] <jtaylor> ahasenack: the best place to ask is probably<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or #ubuntu-packaging on freenode and #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org
[20:24] <ahasenack> jtaylor: cool, didn't know about #ubuntu-packaging either, thanks
[20:37] <Quintasan> How do I disable multiarch?
[20:42] <tjaalton> Quintasan: install i386 version, or another distro ;)
[20:43] <slangasek> Quintasan: what about multiarch is it that you want to disable?
[20:43] <tjaalton> actually, i386 is equally multiarch so scratch that..
[20:43] <infinity> i386 has multiarch too.  But I assume he meants "how do I make it stop downloading Packages files for another arch?"
[20:43] <infinity> meant*
[20:43] <tjaalton> right
[20:44] <Quintasan> infinity: yeah, this is confusing to say at least
[20:44] <Quintasan> Like getting conflicts on installing pbuilder
[20:44] <infinity> Eh?
[20:45] <slangasek> that's not multiarch's fault
[20:45] <Quintasan> Well, maybe not pbuilder
[20:46] <Quintasan> Well, let me put it other way -> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/25/plasma-desktopJN2047.jpg <-- this doesn't look helpful no matter how I look at it
[20:46] <slangasek> yep
[20:47] <slangasek> so if you're sure you want to disable multiarch, edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch and comment out the line
[20:47] <infinity> slangasek: Oh.  Do you know if there a bug filed (or a dpkg patch in the works) for why wildcard matches on dpkg -l don't show foreign arch packages?
[20:47] <Quintasan> slangasek: Can bad things happen when I disable it?
[20:47] <infinity> slangasek: (Compare the output of "dpkg -l zlib\* | grep ^i" with "dpkg -l | grep '^ii  zlib'")
[20:47] <slangasek> though if you were to help improve aptitude to do more sensible things with multiarch, that would be better :)
[20:47] <slangasek> infinity: dpkg -l zlib:* - not a bug but a deliberate design decision
[20:48] <slangasek> sorry, dpkg -l zlib*:*
[20:48] <slangasek> Quintasan: you won't be able to install flashplugin, nspluginwrapper, or skype (from partner)
[20:48] <slangasek> if you don't care about those things, there are no other consequences for you currently :)
[20:48] <Quintasan> Urgh
[20:48] <infinity> slangasek: Hrm.  That's deliberate?  Seems a bit goofy and unintuitive to me.  But okay.
[20:48] <slangasek> infinity: it's a backwards-compatibility thing
[20:49] <slangasek> buxy can explain in detail :)
[20:49] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, I guess I can see that.  Still wildly unintuitive.
[20:49] <infinity> slangasek: I don't need detail, I can see why.
[20:49] <tumbleweed> aptitude seems to want to get rid of all my i386 packages, whenever there's any dependency problems *anywhere* (not related to the i386 packages) :/
[20:50] <slangasek> yep, sorry about that
[20:50] <micahg> tumbleweed: bug 831768
[20:50] <slangasek> update-manager and software-center both do better
[20:50] <infinity> And apt.
[20:50] <slangasek> synaptic, aptitude, dselect all still have gaps
[20:50] <infinity> I wonder how dselect's coping.
[20:50] <infinity> Ahh. :)
[20:50] <slangasek> infinity: except for the lack of interactivity for apt :)
[20:50] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah.
[20:50] <Quintasan> slangasek: so flashplugin-installer pulling i386 libs is normal now?
[20:50] <tumbleweed> slangasek: sure, but none of them handle interactive upgrades (like we all need every day)
[20:51] <infinity> Well, if I want interactive, I still prefer dselect (I know, I'm weird), but I very rarely need that sort of thing anyway.
[20:51] <tumbleweed> ah, that was mentioned :)
[20:51] <infinity> Quintasan: It always has, it just used to do it via the gian ia32-libs blob, and now it does it correctly. :P
[20:51] <slangasek> Quintasan: yes - ia32-libs is die-die-die-deprecated
[20:51] <infinity> s/gian/giant/
[20:51] <Quintasan> I see
[20:51] <slangasek> it was an unmaintainable stopgap solution
[20:52] <slangasek> tumbleweed: actually, update-manager does me fine for daily interactive upgrades
[20:53] <infinity> I have no real issues with apt for my daily oneiric upgrades...
[20:53] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/114355
[20:53] <Quintasan> Uhm
[20:53] <infinity> But then again, I tend to feed it the same sort of info I'd give an interactive package manager.
[20:53] <Quintasan> Is this also normal?
[20:53] <micahg> slangasek: update-manager doesn't show the change in package sizes, which is why I like aptitude
[20:53] <infinity> (apt-get --purge install add1 add2 remove1- remove2-)
[20:54] <slangasek> Quintasan: that's an oft-reported bug, it may have to do with missing i386 libraries; which version of flashplugin-installer do you have currently?
[20:54] <slangasek> (4ubuntu4 was uploaded today which should fix this)
[20:54] <slangasek> infinity: shorter: apt-get purge add1+ add2+ remove1 remove2
[20:55] <infinity> slangasek: Oh right, because purge is actually just "--purge remove" now, isn't it?
[20:55] <Quintasan> slangasek: I see, my mirror must be out of date then
[20:55] <Quintasan> 4ubuntu3 here
[20:55] <infinity> slangasek: And remove is actually just negative install.  Clever.
[20:56]  * Quintasan changes to us mirror
[20:56] <slangasek> Quintasan: yes - so you have the 4ubuntu3 amd64 flashplugin-installer, which relies on ia32-libs for the libraries and that no longer works.  Upgrading should fix that
[20:56] <slangasek> mdeslaur: I don't suppose you closed the million open bugs on flashplugin-nonfree when you uploaded? :)
[20:57] <mdeslaur> slangasek: I just closed the one I was subscribed to...let me take a look
[20:58] <Quintasan> us mirror ++
[20:58] <Quintasan> slangasek: Indeed, that worked.
[21:01] <slangasek> mdeslaur: actually, I guess they're probably filed against nspluginwrapper... bug #833558, bug #830784
[21:01] <slangasek> Quintasan: good good.  I'll do an upload of ia32-libs to make the upgrade a bit more seamless too.
[21:02] <mdeslaur> slangasek: I've just duped a bunch of flashplugin-nonfree bugs, I'll take a look at nspluginwrapper
[21:02] <slangasek> mdeslaur: ta :)
[21:02]  * Quintasan is not sure how multiarch is better but he can help with testing
[21:03] <slangasek> Quintasan: because when a security upload is done for a library, it becomes available to all users immediately via the i386 package instead of requiring somebody to upload an ia32-libs source package the size of a CD
[21:04] <Quintasan> Well, I can't dispute with that ^_^
[21:05] <slangasek> here, you can watch me blather on about multiarch at length if you like. :) meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2011/debconf11/high/747_Multiarch_in_Debian_6_months_or_6_years_on.ogv
[21:11]  * Quintasan downloads
[21:11] <Quintasan> Woah, 540MB
[21:11] <Quintasan> slangasek: You must have had a hard time talking so long :P
[21:12] <slangasek> you clearly haven't met me
[21:12] <slangasek> ;)
[21:12] <Quintasan> Maybe we can meet at UDS
[21:12] <slangasek> are you coming to this one?
[21:13] <Quintasan> No idea, I need sponsorship to go there :)
[21:13]  * Quintasan is just a high school student
[21:13] <infinity> You don't want to listen to slangasek speak.  It's a trap.  Don't do it.
[21:14] <Quintasan> :O
[21:14] <stgraber> slangasek: and there go my next 40 minutes ;) needed a break anyway
[21:19] <slangasek> stgraber: hey, slacker, I didn't say *you* should watch it! :)
[21:20] <slangasek> Quintasan: did you apply for sponsorship?  I believe the sponsorship queue is closed now
[21:20] <Quintasan> slangasek: I did apply, waiting for result :P
[21:21] <slangasek> yeah, the queue *just* closed, decisions haven't been made yet
[21:21] <stgraber> slangasek: :)
[21:21] <infinity> pitti: You have a sync sitting unflushed on cocoplum, did you plan to do something with that? (pygobject-2)
[21:22] <slangasek> I guess that's the one he was still trying to work out whether it breaks ubiquity
[21:23] <infinity> pitti: Err, nevermind, was just a crufty source package, not an upload.
[21:23] <infinity> pitti: Ignore me. :)
[21:23] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, it didn't have a changes file.  flush-syncs (helpfully?) deleted it on cleanup though. :P
[21:23] <slangasek> ok :)
[21:29] <ScottK> doko: Would you please retry korundum in the archive rebuild?
[22:09] <astraljava> Stumbling with germinate, how do you guys test seeds locally? I can't seem to get the command just right.
[22:12] <astraljava> Figured that I need to use the --bzr option, but now I stumble on missing platform.oneiric seed.
[22:14] <infinity> astraljava: -S http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ -d oneiric -s ubuntu.oneiric
[22:14] <infinity> astraljava: (For example)
[22:14] <infinity> astraljava: The manpage is reasonably verbose.
[22:16] <infinity> astraljava: Or are you running it against a local bzr branch that's incomplete?
[22:18] <astraljava> infinity: Not a local one, but one that's in LP.
[22:18] <astraljava> But not yet uploaded for spinning the images.
[22:19] <infinity> astraljava: Well, if you have a seed that depends on another branch (like ubuntu.oneiric depends on platform.oneiric), I suspect you'll need side-by-side branches of both.  But don't quote me on that, I've never tried.
[22:20] <astraljava> infinity: Right. I see from germinate logs, that it tries to fetch platform.oneiric when building Studio images, but continues even when not finding such. But it doesn't seem to work locally.
[22:20] <infinity> I don't recall it having any clever fallback code for dependencies, though, so you probably need to copy all the deps.
[22:23] <astraljava> Actually, it does fallback on ~ubuntu-core-dev's platform. How can I do that locally?
[22:25] <astraljava> Couldn't find that bit of information from the manpages, while admittedly they're pretty elaborate, like you mentioned.
[22:27] <infinity> Not entirely sure.  You might be able to specify -S more than once.  Like I said, never tried.  I have a local mirror of all the seeds anyway.
[22:29] <astraljava> Thanks, that was all I needed. Just branched platform.oneiric, and I'm good to go. Cheers! :)
[22:29] <astraljava> Just have to remember to bzr update it regularily, I suppose.
[22:35] <doko> ScottK, done
[22:59] <kees> slangasek: so... multiarch silliness.
[22:59] <kees> my system doesn't seem to acknowledge that :i386 exists.
[22:59] <kees> $ cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[22:59] <kees> foreign-architecture i386
[22:59] <kees> yet:
[22:59] <kees> E: Unable to locate package flashplugin-downloader:i386
[23:01] <slangasek> kees: apt-get update'd?
[23:02] <kees> slangasek: yup. it's up to date.
[23:02] <kees> though it's as if apt is ignoring i386
[23:02] <slangasek> kees: mv /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin* /somewhereelse?
[23:02] <slangasek> (&& apt-get update again)
[23:04] <kees> slangasek: nope :(
[23:04] <infinity> kees: apt-get update doesn't even show i386 Packages files being downloaded?
[23:05] <slangasek> kees: is your local mirror amd64-only?
[23:05] <kees> infinity: it doesn't show i386 being fetched, no. slangasek: my mirror is both.
[23:05] <kees> (but I'm pulling from the main archive too)
[23:05] <slangasek> hmm
[23:05] <vista_killer> hi
[23:06] <slangasek> kees: local apt config settings that are overriding dpkg?
[23:06] <kees> there used to be a second apt config to turn on multiarch...
[23:06] <slangasek> kees: apt *defaults* to what dpkg uses, but you can override it
[23:07] <vista_killer> i have this bug with kernel module nv_tco https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791089
[23:07] <slangasek> kees: $ apt-config dump | grep APT::Architectures
[23:07] <vista_killer> i have the same bug to 11.04 and now after the upgrade i find that the bug still exists
[23:08] <kees> slangasek: ah-ha. that's it. when "getting rid" of the apt multi-arch config, I left it _defined_ as amd64. I need to drop the entire line.
[23:09] <kees> muuuuch better
[23:09] <kees> thanks!
[23:10] <slangasek> vista_killer: this is not a support channel; you could try asking on #ubuntu-kernel, you'd at least be more likely to reach the right audience for your question there
[23:10] <slangasek> kees: aha :)
[23:10] <vista_killer> ok sorry
[23:11] <kees> slangasek: wow. that is a lot of :i386 to install. :)
[23:14] <slangasek> kees: software is complicated :P
[23:14] <kees> slangasek: ia32-libs is huge ;)
[23:15] <StevenK> It used to be bigger ...
[23:15] <RAOF> Boo.  wine's broken.
[23:15] <SpamapS> Hm, if something is open source (eucalyptus) but only works properly with sun java .. is it appropriate to move it to multiverse?
[23:16] <micahg> SpamapS: is this new? wasn't it in main?
[23:17] <SpamapS> micahg: eucalyptus was dropped to universe for 11.10
[23:17] <micahg> SpamapS: right, I meant the java dep
[23:17] <SpamapS> and now bug 791607 is apparently stumping their engineers or something
[23:17] <SpamapS> Actually I think the deal was that they wanted to do euca 3.0 but that release date is slipping.
[23:22] <micahg> slangasek: can you please copy an update for me?
[23:26] <micahg> SpamapS: is it a build or run time dependency?
[23:27] <micahg> SpamapS: ah, I see the comment in the bug, I don't think it would need to move to multiverse if it recommends non-free software, but you wouldn't be able to add a depends on something in partner AFAIK
[23:35] <kees>  libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.0d-2ubuntu2 (Multi-Arch: same) is not co-installable with libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.0d-2ubuntu1 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed
[23:36] <micahg> kees: did you enable multiarch?
[23:36] <kees> micahg: I did. seems dpkg is unhappy. doing some manual per-package installs now...
[23:37] <kees> wow, it's blowing up on all kinds of stuff :(
[23:38] <micahg> kees: I assume you're dist-upgrading?
[23:38] <kees> yeah :)
[23:40] <kees> heh,    while ! apt-get dist-upgrade ; do apt-get -f install ; done   ;)
[23:46] <doko> kees: add a dpkg --configure --pending in between
[23:46] <kees> doko: ah, yeah, good idea.
[23:48] <micahg> StevenK: are you available for an archive copy?
[23:50] <StevenK> micahg: What are you after?
[23:50] <micahg> StevenK: ubuntu-mozilla-security thunderbird 3.1.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> to lucid-security
[23:52] <slangasek> RAOF: wine broken how?
[23:52] <slangasek> SpamapS: yeah, I think a depends on sun-java would translate to multiverse :/
[23:52] <slangasek> micahg: sure, what's the update?
[23:53] <micahg> slangasek: ah, I ask StevenK already, but thanks
[23:53] <slangasek> oh, did StevenK take this one?
[23:53] <slangasek> ok
[23:54] <StevenK> I haven't yet
[23:56] <slangasek> got it then
[23:56] <slangasek> micahg: done
[23:56] <micahg> slangasek: thanks
[23:57] <cnd> have we entered beta freeze yet?
[23:58] <cnd> or can I push a small ftbfs fix still
[23:59] <cnd> hmm… looks like I just missed it
[23:59] <micahg> cnd: if it's needed for beta, I believe so


[07:54] <CarlenWhite> I noticed that in the battery statistics my charge percentage but capacity is 86.6%
[07:54] <CarlenWhite> Er. Charge percentage is 100% but capacity is 86.6%, rather.
[07:55] <CarlenWhite> Does this imply the battery has worn, but the OS is aware and has adjusted the percentage accordingly?
[09:01] <jamesh> CarlenWhite: it means your battery no longer holds its full design charge.  This is normal as a battery ages.
[11:06] <k_alam> Hi, Please set the importance of this bug to "High", https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1794765
[11:06] <k_alam> it's a regression and broken recently by system update.
[11:27] <mitya57> k_alam: done. As a temporary workaround try removing the __gsignals__ dict in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ccm/Utils.py (lines 126-128)
[11:32] <k_alam> Thanks. So 'draw' : 'override', section causing the problem?
[11:34] <mitya57> I have talked to muktupavels, he is not sure yet if this is the right fix, but that seems to help.
[11:37] <k_alam> Yes, I get the icons now...


[08:04] <LocutusOfBorg> please remove pepperflashplugin-nonfree[i386] following the same removal in debian, following the removal from google (upstream) of the deb
[10:17] <mapreri> how can I confirm that scribus' SRU is fully phased out and will be in the next point releasE?
[10:18] <mapreri> (i received an email back then that it was blocked because of a new crash appeared in errors.u.c, but I'm not sure if it's already unblocked or what
[10:18] <mapreri> )
[10:19] <LocutusOfBorg> link please
[10:19] <mapreri> to what?
[10:19] <LocutusOfBorg> errors page
[10:21] <mapreri> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/296f63e4d068bd1e0cbcfbedef5e74e9ecfc524d
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> sending the content privately
[10:22] <mapreri> erm, I can't actually
[10:22] <mapreri> ah,
[10:22] <LocutusOfBorg> I am sending you the content of the page
[10:22] <mapreri> well, I *can* read the error :)
[10:23] <mapreri> i don't know if that thing has been ignored and the phased continued, or what
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> ohh, ok
[10:24] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[10:24] <Laney> AFAIK if it's not there and is in -updates then it's fully phased
[10:24] <mapreri> Laney: ok.  I was a bit perplexed because even right after I received the email it was not on that list, and neither it was the day after…
[10:24] <mapreri> (mail from June 8th
[10:25] <mapreri> Laney: Thanks!
[16:55] <infinity> xnox: ^-- For you.
[17:42] <ginggs> hi infinity: would you have a look at the cacti SRU please?  also we are thinking of a bof/sprint for some fpc stuff http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-pascal-devel/Week-of-Mon-20160613/001284.html
[21:17] <mwhudson> my kingdom for someone to look at the yakkety NEW queue
[21:28] <slangasek> mwhudson: tell me more about this kingdom
[21:28] <slangasek> mwhudson: why does lintian report dev-pkg-without-shlib-symlink for libgolang-1.6-std1?
[21:29] <mwhudson> slangasek: ah, because i forgot to update overrides i bet
[21:29] <mwhudson> yes
[21:29] <slangasek> but why does lintian say it's a dev package, at all?
[21:29] <mwhudson> oh
[21:29] <mwhudson> that is a good question
[21:31] <slangasek> mwhudson: as this is precisely the new binary package in the queue, I think we need to get to the bottom of that before I'll accept this into the archive
[21:32] <mwhudson> is it just lintian being strange and reporting it against the lib package rather than the -dev package?
[21:32] <slangasek> don't know
[21:32] <slangasek> if I run lintian against the individual .debs, the warning isn't reported for either
[21:32]  * mwhudson reads some perl
[21:33] <slangasek> if I run it against the amd64.changes, it tags it on libstd1
[21:33] <mwhudson> lintian is definitely looking at the pair of packages together
[21:34] <mwhudson> and in a sense, the warning is perfectly valid
[21:34] <mwhudson> there is no symlink
[21:34] <mwhudson> or at least, not where lintian expects it
[21:34] <mwhudson> but that's because the go linker does not look for files in the same places as the system linker
[21:34] <slangasek> ok
[21:35] <slangasek> yeah if I pass those two packages to lintian together on the commandline the warning comes back
[21:35] <mwhudson> so once all this stuff is bedded down, i should make some lintian changes around go shared libraries
[21:36] <mwhudson> i actually have a trello card about this already :-)
[21:36] <slangasek> mwhudson: packages accepted; does your kingdom have a swimming pool?
[21:37] <mwhudson> slangasek: thanks
[21:37] <tsimonq2> the Lubuntu images aren't being generated
[21:37] <mwhudson> slangasek: only wellington harbour and it's a bit cold at this time of year
[21:37] <tsimonq2> the directory is being created for the daily images, just not being populated
[21:37] <tsimonq2> could somebody look into this?
[21:37] <mwhudson> slangasek: there is going to be a steady drip of golang shared lib NEW queue things i guess
[21:37] <mwhudson> slangasek: also aren't you on leave today? :)
[21:38] <slangasek> mwhudson: I am, which means you won't have me to hand for the next bit of NEW processing ;)
[21:39] <mwhudson> well there are 10 or so packages that i can do this for and as i should actually read the debdiffs properly and write proper descriptions for the archive, i'll probably be ok for a while :)
[21:45] <infinity> tsimonq2: Fixing.
[21:47] <infinity> tsimonq2: Should be fixed for the next daily.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> thank you infinity
[22:25] <mwhudson> infinity: could you look at the xenial containerd/docker.io/runc srus pls? we'd like to get them done before dockercon which is soon


[00:09] <nagappan> can I just have grub instead of grub2 in Ubuntu 9.10 ?
[00:19] <nagappan> found the info here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Uninstalling%20GRUB%202
[06:17] <ara> good morning all!
[06:24] <kermiac> hi ara :)
[06:25] <ara> hey kermiac
[08:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:35] <ara> morning davmor2
[17:46] <davmor2> right I'm off then guys and gals more testing tomorrow
[18:29] <cr3> alexmoldovan: have you tried: wodim --devices


[03:22] <Zani> Hello there !
[03:22] <Zani> Before filling a bug report I would like some assistance to make sure i didn't miss something about extra mousse button configuration on ubuntu22 that looks impossible :
[03:22] <Zani> Button 8 / 9 works fine on 20 but look to be intercepted by wayland on 22
[03:22] <Zani> I map these button with xbindkeys. Tested with xev that confirmed the diagnostic
[03:23] <Zani> Neither internet or chatgpt solved my problem
[03:40] <Zani> Sorry is someone seeing my above message or am I muted ?
[03:43] <webchat36> Hello
[03:44] <arraybolt3> Zani: I can see you.
[03:44] <arraybolt3> I can also see your earlier message.
[03:44] <Zani> arraybolt3 thanks. Do you know what would be the best place to get help on that problem or do you think i should report that as a bug ?
[03:45] <arraybolt3> Zani: Your problem sounds more like a Wayland limitation than a bug. Many X tools (xrandr, xbindkeys, etc.) are probably not going to work on Wayland because Wayland is not X.
[03:45] <arraybolt3> If you want to use Wayland, probably find a Wayland-specific way to rebind keys.
[03:45] <arraybolt3> Otherwise, you can switch back to X on Ubuntu 22.04.
[03:46] <arraybolt3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1410256/how-do-i-use-x-instead-of-wayland-on-22-04
[03:47] <webchat36> Thanks for the help. Some other shortcut works with xbindkeys, but I guess that some will not. Will look for an alternative tool then, thanks !
[03:47] <arraybolt3> Glad to help! And you can just switch away from Wayland and that will probably fix everything.
[03:50] <webchat36> Do you think long term wayland will get more and more support and x less and less ?
[03:54] <arraybolt3> Gah, I was just about to answer...
[03:54] <zani2> im still here
[03:54] <zani2> logged out to try to switch on xorg :)
[03:58] <arraybolt3> zani2: Oh, nice!
[03:58] <arraybolt3> zani2: I would suspect X will still be a thing for at least a while longer, as there are desktop environments that are incompatible with Wayland still.
[03:59] <arraybolt3> I can only speculate, but I think Wayland will *probably* end up being like systemd - most stuff will go with it, some people will hate it and cling to other alternatives. I'm personally OK with both, but prefer X.
[04:19] <zani2> Arraybolt3 alright let's see in the future.I guess we will see with time.
[04:19] <zani2> I did solve my problem so I was totally wrong : The button8 / 9 were working fine. xev didn't see the intput cause it was captured by xbindkeys i guess.
[04:19] <zani2> I configured these button to run the "overview" of the desktop (same as pressing Meta/Super key).  I find that super usefull.
[04:19] <zani2> I did trigger that with "dbus-send " command. This command is now more secure and cannot be used like that.
[04:19] <zani2> I go arround the problem by simulating the press with xdotool.
[04:19] <zani2> That is a dirty solution, future myself will find a better way to do that (NOPE i will just probably use this dierty hack until it don't work)
[04:22] <arraybolt3> zani2: \o/
[05:43] <murlidhar> can anyone help me in changing the default booting distro in grub menu list ?
[05:43] <murlidhar> also i want to change the timeout to boot to the defalt distro
[05:44] <EriC^^> murlidhar: sure, type "cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[05:47] <murlidhar> EriC^^: thanks. what would that do?
[05:47] <murlidhar> nc is an editor ?
[05:47] <EriC^^> upload the files to a pastebin and return a link to share
[05:47] <EriC^^> nc is netcat
[05:47] <murlidhar> okk
[05:49] <murlidhar> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/mqgi
[05:52] <murlidhar> i uninstalled ubuntu 22.10 and replaced it with the daily build of 23.0 . the firefox is crashing up there. i better wait till the stable version is released. uptil then i want to change the default distro to my alternative OS
[05:52] <murlidhar> 23.04*
[05:52] <EriC^^> what's the name of the os you want to boot?
[05:53] <murlidhar> zorin
[05:53] <murlidhar> till the stable version of 23.04 is released
[05:54] <EriC^^> it should be booting zorin by default via this grub file
[05:54] <murlidhar> ?
[05:54] <EriC^^> murlidhar: type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[05:54] <murlidhar> oh
[05:54] <murlidhar> okay
[05:54] <EriC^^> murlidhar: it might be that the actual grub that's booting is ubuntu's and not this one's grub
[05:55] <murlidhar> https://termbin.com/2e4s
[05:56] <murlidhar> yes i manually selected this distro to boot
[05:56] <EriC^^> murlidhar: type 'sudo grub-install'
[05:57] <murlidhar> is that it?
[05:57] <murlidhar> EriC^^: ^^
[05:57] <murlidhar> it says no error reported and done
[05:57] <EriC^^> then type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999' again
[05:58] <murlidhar> https://termbin.com/s5nv
[05:59] <EriC^^> nope no dice
[05:59] <EriC^^> murlidhar: type 'sudo ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999'
[05:59] <EriC^^> for some reason it didnt add any new entry to the uefi menu
[05:59] <murlidhar> https://termbin.com/9jek
[06:01] <EriC^^> seems that zorin's efi file is ...ubuntu\shimx64.efi so i guess it might have overwritten the ubuntu one maybe
[06:01] <EriC^^> murlidhar: try rebooting see if it worked
[06:01] <murlidhar> okies
[06:04] <murlidhar> EriC^^: yes. it worked. thanks a lot :)
[06:04] <EriC^^> murlidhar: great, no problem :)
[06:53] <annive1> hello, what is the name of the cleaner tool with UI like ccleaner on windows?
[06:54] <whiskey76> stacer?
[06:56] <annive1> no.
[06:57] <annive1> it can clear firefox or chromium or apt cache and other things of the system with checkboxes.
[06:57] <annive1> QT or gtk app, can't remind the name.
[06:59] <annive1> bleach-bit ok.
[06:59] <annive1> found it back.
[08:12] <Letiute> I have installed freebsd on one disk. Now i want to use raid0 to add another disk. So now my OS will be on 2 disks via raid0. Can I add the second disk in freebsd or I have to reinstall the OS again? note that the OS is disk encrypted via GELI I think. The other disk should be encrypted as well.
[08:14] <oerheks> wrong channel, #freebsd
[08:14] <oerheks> i see you tried in linux too..
[08:15] <Letiute> yes, I am worried about zfs comunity support despite used by linux and bsd
[08:15] <Letiute> I left #linux
[08:16] <oerheks> also #zfs and #openzfs exist on #libera, good luck!
[08:16] <Letiute>  I am worried about freebsd and zfs community support. Not much users as compared to linux
[08:39] <transhumanist> hi! where do I get a linux-kernel that is from testing that has been tested pretty well that is signed? like 6.1.19 or 6.2... for instance
 "hi! where do I get a linux-..." <- You want tested "really well" then you should use whatever is in the official repo.
[08:57] <M-Ira[m]> If you want bleeding edge install the "mainline" tool.
[08:57] <M-Ira[m]> For somewhere in the middle, look at alternative Ubuntu based distros. I run pop!_os and I got 6.2
[09:00] <oerheks> !mainline
[09:00] <oerheks> transhumanist ^^^
[09:56] <pfSenseHelp> I need to use netplan on Ubuntu for the underlying network setup
[09:56] <pfSenseHelp> The requirement is to (ON BOOT) passthru incoming WAN connection on a physical port labelled enp2s0 to guest OS running in KVM. There should be no interaction with WAN on host OS yet, only KVM w/ pfSense OS.
[09:56] <pfSenseHelp> Guest KVM pfSense system needs to receive the incoming WAN connection, obtain an IP address from the WAN, create a local LAN, give itself (the guest) an IP, then feed back a newly created LAN IP to the host OS.
[09:57] <pfSenseHelp> Can anyone help me with netplan for this?
[10:20] <pfSenseHelp> Hello, I am new to this channel, can anyone confirm this is functional?
[10:26] <Habbie> pfSenseHelp, hello
[10:37] <pfSenseHelp> Hello, I am struggling with netplan, I am trying to virtualize a pfsense router
[10:37] <pfSenseHelp> Habbie - Am I asking in a proper forum, or is this more germane to something else?
[10:38] <Habbie> well, how is ubuntu involved in your problem?
[10:40] <oerheks> there is #netplan also
[10:50] <BlueSmoke> Hi I'm running Ubuntu 20.04, in the last week the wired connection stops working randomly, it still says connected and wifi still works, currently, I have to reboot to get it to work again!  Any Idea where to start trying to find out why its happening or If it's a known problem ?    in the meantime is there a way to restart the networking instead
[10:50] <BlueSmoke> of having to do a full reboot
[11:23] <pfSenseHelp> Ubuntu is the base OS, I tried the netplan irc but nobody responded
[11:25] <dsc_> hi, how can I make 'Files' (default file browser) to show thumbnails of videos (.mp4)
[11:25] <dsc_> Files version 40.2
[11:26] <dsc_> or maybe suggest me a better file explorer :)
[11:26] <dsc_> the defualt one really sucks
[11:27] <dsc_> ah, its "nautilus"
[11:28] <oerheks> standard nautilus does that, only on your computer, see nautilus - preferences
[11:29] <oerheks> not network or external drives, AFAIK, but you can change that
[11:29] <dsc_> oerheks: https://plak.infrapuin.nl/selif/s1t0gyr1.png
[11:29] <dsc_> >_>
[11:30] <oerheks> i bet those are youtube mp4 movies?
[11:30] <oerheks> that would be the 1st frame
[11:30] <dsc_> hmm no, they were recorded via OBS
[11:31] <dsc_> mp4, avc1, Lavf58.76.100, 1920x1080
[11:32] <dsc_> oh, you think its the first frame? could be
[11:32] <BlueSmoke> ok I think im connected
[11:32] <BlueSmoke> Hi I'm running Ubuntu 20.04, in the last week the wired connection stops working randomly, it still says connected and wifi still works, currently, I have to reboot to get it to work again!  Any Idea where to start trying to find out why its happening or If it's a known problem ?
[11:36] <oerheks> !info ffmpegthumbnailer
[11:36] <oerheks> dsc_, sorry, i forgot i installed that thumbnailer
[11:39] <supay> hi, ubuntu is unable to detect my external ssd which is formatted to exfat. i've installed exfat-fuse and exfat-utils as well..
[11:42] <supay> oh, brb, i might have disabled this i/o port in my bios to save some power or whatever. stupid me.
[11:45] <oerheks> exfat is now in the kernel, AFAIK
[11:46] <oerheks> 5.7 and up
[11:53] <pfSenseHelp> How do I passthru the network connection in netplan so that it is established on a KVM virtual machine running on the host os?
[11:54] <BlueSmoke> got disconected again grrr
[11:55] <BlueSmoke> Any help on how to find out what is causing it to keep stopping ?
[12:14] <BlueSmoke> How would I find out why my wired connecton stops working? browser says no connection, it still says connected and wifi still works but have to sudo nmcli networking off and then sudo nmcli networking on  to get it working again
[12:17] <supay> oerheks: yeah, sorry, my issues was that i disabled the port at the bios level. ty :)
[12:21] <Guest99> hello im having issue installing ubuntu serverver on a pc
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:46] <BlueSmoke> hi
[12:47] <BlueSmoke> How would I find out why my wired connecton stops working? browser says no connection, it still says connected and wifi still works but have to sudo nmcli networking off and then sudo nmcli networking on  to get it working again
[12:48] <tosaraja> Has ubuntu picked along a fix for libvirt where you can't do VMs with 16 VCPUs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1978489
[12:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1978489 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirt / cgroups v2: cannot boot instance with more than 16 CPUs" [Undecided, In Progress]
[12:48] <tosaraja> i've been trying to go through patches to libvirt, but it doesn't look like they have
[12:56] <SteelRose> Hi all! I have a simple question - can you please check https://dpaste.org/pjA0w ?   Thanks!
[12:58] <leftyfb> SteelRose: try #bash
[12:58] <SteelRose> leftyfb: that is bash...
[12:58] <SteelRose> ah OK
[13:01] <BlueSmoke> Wired connetion stopps working randomly in about the last week how do I find out what causes it ?
[13:03] <BlueSmoke> wifi still works and it still says wird connected but all browsers say no internet
[13:03] <taeaad> I have an issue on Ubuntu 22.04. I install the Python dependencies (e.g. here: https://kfields.netlify.app/blog/pyenv_on_ubuntu_22) but when I install Python 3.11 with Pyenv my system complains about missing bz2, tkinter, ncurses, ctypes and lzma.
[13:04] <taeaad> If I try to reinstall Pyenv completely, or recompile (install) Python 3.11 with Pyenv, I still get the same issues.
[13:04] <BlueSmoke> its very frustrating and I dont know where to start to find out whats happening its ubuntu 20.04
[13:05] <Khagesh2409> quit
[13:08] <leftyfb> BlueSmoke: how often does it happen? Can you reproduce it? Did you look through any logs? I would try disabling wired completely and make sure that works on it's own
[13:08] <leftyfb> sorry, make sure wifi works on it's own with wired disabled from the start
[13:09] <oerheks> taeaad, how did you install 3.11? deadsnakes ppa?
[13:12] <taeaad> oerheks: Pyenv.
[13:13] <taeaad> So, from source.
[13:13] <oerheks> and python3 3.11 ?
[13:13] <taeaad> oerheks: Yes. 3.11.2. But I get the same problem with 3.10.x again using Pyenv.
[13:14] <oerheks> basicly it needs several steps, besides just install ..update-alternatives
[13:15] <oerheks> oh and back to 3.10 ?
[13:15] <BlueSmoke> its random no cant just make it happed dont know what logs to look trough.... when it says no internet a tablet can still conect via wifi
[13:15] <taeaad> Pyenv allows concurrent installations. But any version I try to install across 3.10 or 3.11 give those warnings at compile time.
[13:18] <BlueSmoke> I was having to reboot to get it going but found sudo nmcli networking off, and then sudo nmcli networking on  to get it working again
[13:19] <BlueSmoke> its ubuntu 20.04
[13:19] <SnakesAndStuff> Hello, can I get some insight/help on a package that will not uninstall?
[13:19] <leftyfb> BlueSmoke: I would start with disabling wired for a while and make sure wifi works fine on it's own and is stable for a period of time you think wired would have failed
[13:19] <leftyfb> !ask | SnakesAndStuff
[13:20] <SnakesAndStuff> Sorry, I was getting the info to paste.
[13:20] <SnakesAndStuff> and then got distracted looking to see what pastebin here is preferred
[13:21] <BlueSmoke> I dont have wifi on the pc.  I just meant I can conect to the router with a tablet via wifi and it works while the wired connection on the pc is not working
[13:21] <SnakesAndStuff> https://pastebin.com/q26VmCYn
[13:21] <oerheks> taeaad, one needs these dependencies; sudo apt install libbz2-dev libffi-dev liblzma-dev libreadline-dev libsqlite3-dev libssl-dev tk-dev zlib1g-dev
[13:21] <SnakesAndStuff> That is the output of trying to purge a package
[13:22] <oerheks> also, this guide gives a simple script to install, and more steps to configure https://itslinuxfoss.com/install-use-pyenv-ubuntu/
[13:22] <taeaad> oerheks: Yes, I have all of them installed. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded."
[13:22] <oerheks> 5 not upgraded..
[13:22] <leftyfb> SnakesAndStuff: try --force
[13:23] <oerheks> BlueSmoke, with weird connection issues, check cable, and perhaps reboot your router?
[13:25] <BlueSmoke> rebooted the pc and router several times pulled the cable in and out a few times both ends too  as soon as I do sudo nmcli networking off and then sudo nmcli networking on  to get it working again
[13:25] <SnakesAndStuff> leftyfb: Is there a way to manually examine what is failing though? rather than just force it?
[13:26] <leftyfb> SnakesAndStuff: broken unsupported package
[13:26] <leftyfb> BlueSmoke: this could verywell be a bad cable or port. If the cable is bad, it could lose connection for a moment and restarting networking would get you back online
[13:27] <taeaad> oerheks: I don't think they are the issue, but let me try to autoremove and then upgrade again.
[13:27] <leftyfb> BlueSmoke: I would try wiggling the cable along it's entire length to see if it drops. Maybe run this in your terminal and watch:  sudo dmesg -TW
[13:28] <oerheks> taeaad, as you gave no info what is held back..
[13:29] <BlueSmoke> its a long cable and I dont have a second one to try it so if I wiggle it while its on and see if its cuts out is about the best I can do on that but I dont feel like it would be the cable is there any log I can chack to see if some sofware made it happen
[13:29] <taeaad> oerheks: https://bpa.st/YQ44Q
[13:30] <taeaad> I autoremoved and then ran apt with the libraries you mentioned.
[13:30] <oerheks> apt list --upgradable
[13:31] <BlueSmoke> oh I was typing about checking that cable befor I saw what you wrote ok let me try that command
[13:31] <taeaad> oerheks: https://bpa.st/AM7J6
[13:32] <oerheks> oke, those are not related, still you can install them manually.
[13:33] <taeaad> No idea what is wrong?
[13:34] <oerheks> !phased
[13:34] <oerheks> no worries
[13:37] <taeaad> OK, let me try 3.9 and see if it works.
[13:37] <oerheks> ehm, bad idea, stick to 3.10
[13:38] <taeaad> oerheks: OK, but I can't install it?
[13:42] <BlueSmoke> so should I start be unplugging the ethernet cable and pluging it back in to see what im looking out for, then do the stop start then look for that msg in that dmesg log again after wiggling it
[13:44] <leftyfb> BlueSmoke: nobody suggested unplugging the cable at all. We're trying to diagnose a problem with the cable. You run the command in your terminal which will watch the kernel logs in realtime while you wiggle the cable(slowly, not fast) and see if anything pops up in the log
[13:45] <BlueSmoke> I only said about unplugging and plugging it back in first to see what sort of msg id be looking for then star fresh and do the slow wiggling
[14:24] <taeaad> oerheks: Sorry, I had connection problems. Any further ideas why it can't pick up the installed libraries?
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> taeaad: oerheks linked you the phased updates, is that whats happening to you?
[14:26] <oerheks> !phased
[14:27] <oerheks> oke, those are not related ( to python3) , still you can install them manually.
[14:29] <taeaad> I updated the packages that I could, but they are not Python related. My issue seems to be something else. I have bz2, tkinter, ncurses, ctypes and lzma but only my system Python can see those packages. Any Python version that I install across 3.9.x, 3.10.x and 3.11.x give me errors that those libraries could not be found. The phased updates would make sense; these problems I have started with the last couple of updates, I suspect.
[14:29] <taeaad> But what can I do about it?
[14:29] <taeaad> (All using Pyenv.)
[14:31] <oerheks> i gave you 2 urls for pyenv, and howto install and set them correctly. as pyenv is not supported, no clue.
[14:31] <taeaad> OK.
[14:31] <oerheks> basicly one should stay on 3.10...
[14:31] <taeaad> Thank you for the help.
[14:32] <oerheks> try a fresh VM ?
[14:33] <taeaad> I think I will have to.
[14:34] <oerheks> i would, when messing with python
[14:44] <iomari891> greetings. How can I tell notify-send to stop popping up a message that I have already closed. eg: a down server will continue to notify as long as it's down.
[14:49] <leftyfb> iomari891: you change the script you wrote that calls notify-send to not message you as much
[15:13] <iomari891> leftyfb: the script just pings the servers and the ones that are down are sent to notify-send.
[15:14] <leftyfb> iomari891: ok, so make it only notify you once
[15:15] <leftyfb> iomari891: this has nothing to do with ubuntu and everything to do with your custom script. It's not even a problem with notify-send. It's your script notifying you every interval that some check has failed
[15:16] <leftyfb> iomari891: notify-send has no mechanism to determine if you "have already closed" a message, including informing your script
[15:16] <leftyfb> iomari891: in this context, treat notify-send as you would echo
[15:59] <Linke> How do private ppas work exactly?
[16:08] <jhutchins> Linke: Well, first you have to fill the boiler with water.  Then build a small pile of kindling, with some larger sticks handy to add.
[16:09] <leftyfb> Linke: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[16:09] <leftyfb> jhutchins: unnecessary
[16:09] <jhutchins> leftyfb: You're no fun.
[16:10] <Linke> Should I even bother with a ppa or just make a private snap package instead? leftyfb.
[16:11] <leftyfb> Linke: since you've provided no context, I can't answer that.
[16:12] <Linke> leftyfb, there's a few GTK2/3/4 patches I want to apply, but since some packages (like firefox) are snaps only 22.04 and later, not sure which route I should take.
[16:12] <oerheks> a snap can be run on other linux versions.
[16:29] <thes_real> aiiio
[16:31] <thes_real> aii boiz how r u?????
[16:31] <thes_real> type /join #thes_real to jion me channel
[16:31] <leftyfb> !ot | thes_real
[17:12] <peacefulman> cryptsetup needs more than 1 gig of ram? o_O
[17:18] <oerheks> peacefulman, yes, is that weird?
[17:18] <leftyfb> peacefulman: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[17:18] <oerheks> basicly 64 bit desktop needs 4 gb.
[17:18] <peacefulman> sorry, this is ubuntu-server
[17:18] <peacefulman> I wonder now what the min is for that
[17:19]  * peacefulman googles
[17:19] <oerheks>  RAM: 1 gigabyte or more. Disk: a minimum of 2.5 gigabytes.
[17:20] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/installation
[17:21] <peacefulman> thanks oerheks
[17:21] <oerheks> have fun!
[17:23] <peacefulman> I just mistakenly assumed this image could run in the cloud well with only like 512mb
[17:23] <peacefulman> I guess it's just cryptsetup thats holding it back
[17:25] <alkisg> peacefulman: you can minimize the initramfs and get to boot with less RAM by using MODULES=dep in the initramfs configuration
[17:26] <alkisg> grep -r MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[17:26] <alkisg> /plain # MODULES: [ most | netboot | dep | list ]
[17:28] <peacefulman> cool thanks alkisg I'll give that a shot
[17:30] <leftyfb> peacefulman: I hope you have out of band access to this OS because you could potentially kill your network by limiting the modules that get loaded
[17:31] <alkisg> dep is supposed to include all modules for the given hardware (or VM)
[17:31] <peacefulman> yeah it's just a local vm
[17:31] <alkisg> An update-initramfs -u is needed after editing that file
[17:48] <Guest4246> how to share linux mint files to windows 10 files on LAN
[17:48] <leftyfb> !mint | Guest4246
[18:17] <backbox> hello
[18:17] <backbox> i need to run snort on my system
[18:19] <leftyfb> backbox: sudo apt install snort
[18:40] <noarb> is it possible to add custom data to a snap package downloaded the snap store? For example, adding python scripts. I can give access to removable-media interface, then the snap can read data from /mnt and /media on the host machine. Is there some other way to add an overlayfs or something?
[18:40] <leftyfb> noarb: I don't think so. But try asking in #snappy
[18:40] <noarb> leftyfb: ok, thanks
[19:05] <murpf> hello
[19:05] <oerheks> :-)
[19:06] <KalleAnka> noarb, if you mean making a custom location available to the snap, then yes, you can do that with bind mounts.
[19:07] <oerheks> i think he asks for snap permissions, those are in gnome settings > applications > app
[19:08] <oerheks> custom confinement*
[19:09] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-confinement and some more https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68565756/cannot-install-code-classic-confinement-requires-snaps-under-snap-or-symlink
[19:11] <KalleAnka> noarb, say you have a network filesystem mounted on /net/home/noarb, which your snap cannot access, then you can "mkdir /home/noab/netshares/" and then to "sudo mount --bind /net/home/noab /home/noab/netshares" to allow snaps to access the net shares.
[19:11] <KalleAnka> sorry for misspelling your nick. :)
[19:16] <KalleAnka> oerheks, AppArmor rules is based on paths, so as long as you make a location available where the confined snap has access to it, it's all ok.
[19:16] <KalleAnka> one of the reasons why mount requires root. :)
[19:17] <leftyfb> KalleAnka: lots of troubleshooting around an unclarified issue that the OP still hasn't even addressed it #snapp yet (they didn't even bother /join'ing)
[19:18] <KalleAnka> leftyfb, :)
[19:19] <leftyfb> bah, I have a bad habit of doing too many things at once and not being thorough with my typing :)
[19:29] <syphyr> I have ubuntu pro with extended support, but I cannot seem to download source files.. only the binaries. Failed to fetch https://esm.ubuntu.com/apps/ubuntu/pool/main/f/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_3.4.11-0ubuntu0.1+esm1.debian.tar.xz  401  Unauthorized
[19:29] <syphyr> is there something I can do to fix this?
[19:31] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1454409/where-do-i-get-the-source-for-esm-packages
[19:31] <oerheks> syphyr ^^^
[19:33] <syphyr> thanks
[19:34] <syphyr> just had to use "sudo"
[19:34] <syphyr> that was simple
[19:34] <syphyr> :-
[19:34] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:36] <syphyr> weird how the binaries dont need that, just the src
[19:37] <Habbie> you installed the binaries without sudo? :>
[19:37] <syphyr> yah you are right
[20:17] <esv> strange
[20:23] <pfSenseHelp> Help... at 7:50 this guy leaves out a crucial step in setting up networking... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amTJHm19ts0
[20:23] <pfSenseHelp> How does he get the bridge to show up in KVM... no matter what I try it does not show up
[20:24] <blahboybaz> Is there a way (using apt) to check if a specific package is up to date? I have a handful of packages that were installed in different ways but I don't recall which. I'm concerned whether some package I've installed is really up to date, whether it was installed using apt; and, if not, how it was installed, and if it needs update how to do that.
[20:25] <blahboybaz> For me it id everything Docker and Docker Compose that I want to make sure about
[20:26] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: apt-cache policy <package name>
[20:38] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: cool..  It looks to me like it was installed via apt (ie: using a repository) with the following lines appearing at the end of the output: `500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 Packages` and `500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe i386 Packages` - is that a correct interpretation?
[20:38] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: maybe paste the entire output to a pastebin site
[20:39] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: ok
[20:41] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: https://dpaste.org/mxoNJ
[20:42] <leftyfb> the package named "docker" is not installed on your system
[20:45] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: oh but it is
[20:45] <blahboybaz> I have been using it frequently
[20:45] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: not from apt it's not
[20:46] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: though you might actually be referring to the "docker.io" package
[20:47] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the "docker" package is only "a transitional package for system tray docking application" and probably not what you're looking for, which is the package called "docker.io"
[20:47] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: https://dpaste.org/Q2fKi  <--  but I have an appointment in like 10 min I have to get ready for. I didn't think it would take time to address that question. Can I return later and see if you are around?
[20:48] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: again, you're probably referring to the "docker.io" package which installs docker, not the "docker" package which does not install docker
[20:48] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: https://dpaste.org/zw3Uw
[20:49] <blahboybaz> I gotta run for a bit tho. I'll look for you again later bro
[20:49] <blahboybaz> thanks
[20:49] <leftyfb> ok, then you didn't install docker from apt at all then
[21:30] <pfSenseHelp> I created a bridge in Network Manager, but in QEMU / KVM it does not show up.  What do I have to do so the new bridge is visible in NetworkManager?
[21:38] <leftyfb> pfSenseHelp: can I ask, are you creating VM's in KVM that require a GUI?
[21:43] <pfSenseHelp> LeftyB ... No, its a pfsense vm that runs as a router. It has a web ui, but otherwise no.
[21:44] <leftyfb> pfSenseHelp: might I recommend just using LXD over kvm?
[21:45] <leftyfb> pfSenseHelp: sudo snap install lxd && sudo lxd init && lxc launch ubuntu:22.04 my-pfsense-server
[21:51] <pfSenseHelp> leftyfb, interesting, let me research this a minute
[21:52] <pfSenseHelp> so this is an alternative to KVM, how does it solve the bridge problem?
[21:53] <leftyfb> pfSenseHelp: managing the configs for lxd are a lot easier as is creating containers. You can also manage kvm vm's with lxd if needed
[22:01] <tomreyn> pfSenseHelp: nmcli  should actually list your bridge. but i'm not sure you actually asked the question you meant to ask.
[22:02] <pfSenseHelp> leftyb, thank you, let me research
[22:02] <tomreyn> i assume you want the bridge to show up on whatever tooling you use to manage qemu/kvm rather?
[22:04] <pfSenseHelp> tomreyn: I ran nmcli and I do see the bridge I created and shows connected, I also see the NIC connected to bridge0 ... looks ok ... but in KVM Network Manager, cant see bridge, why not?
[22:05] <pfSenseHelp> In this tutorial he connects the virtual to the bridge, but on my environment, I dont see the bridge.  Time marked link at 7:50 so u see what I mean https://youtu.be/amTJHm19ts0?t=471
[22:19] <CeeClear> ollo
[22:20] <CeeClear> support question about burning DVD's
[22:23] <arraybolt3> CeeClear: Yeah, how can we help?
[22:24] <CeeClear> Well I just got a new Blu Ray/DVD Burner and updated to Ubuntu 20:04 to solve a problem with burning ISO's Still getting error messages and unable to burn
[22:25] <arraybolt3> CeeClear: Can you share the exact error message you're getting? Large chunks of text can be pasted into dpa.st, screenshots can be uploaded to Imgur or imgbb. Please don't paste large amounts of text into the chat, sharing links is fine.
[22:25] <CeeClear> sure
[22:27] <CeeClear> dpa.st correct ??
[22:28] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[22:29] <CeeClear> tried to access it got a We are having a problem finding that site message
[22:29] <arraybolt3> Argh, bpa.st I mean.
[22:29] <arraybolt3> (dpaste.com and bpa.st got confused in my brain.)
[22:30] <CeeClear> OK. No problem
[22:30] <CeeClear> https://bpa.st/CZRNS
[22:31] <WeeBey> Hi! Question out of curiosity... It's normal to see the OS take longer to boot after the laptop was off over night than when I just do a reboot mid day?
[22:31] <WeeBey> Just wondering if I'm imagining things. :)
[22:32] <CeeClear> and just now after upgrading to ubuntu 20. https://bpa.st/KBTTU
[22:33] <arraybolt3> CeeClear: I think that "sense key" error you're getting means "LBA out of range", which I *think* probably means you're trying to write more data to the disk than it can hold?
[22:33] <arraybolt3> How big is your disk, and how much data are you trying to write? Some disks are grumpy if you try to fill them all the way up.
[22:35] <CeeClear> the disk is a 4.7 -r nd the file is 4.7 as well.
[22:35] <CeeClear> I found this while researching this particular error
[22:35] <CeeClear> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqBRKC4U3t0
[22:39] <seafork> 'ello! I was wondering if there was a way to install Gnome 3 (as a binary) on the latest Ubuntu release?
[22:39] <arraybolt3> CeeClear: If the disk and file are the same size, that may very well be the problem.
[22:40] <CeeClear> I would agree but I have also tried it with smaller Files and had the same problem and error message
[22:41] <CeeClear> I will try it with a 1.3 GB File right now to test that idea.
[22:41] <arraybolt3> You could also just have a buggy drive. From what I've read, some optical drives just don't work like they should, or at least that used to be the case.
[22:42] <CeeClear> This Drive is literally new
[22:42] <CeeClear> I could understand that for the other drive I replaced but I just upgraded my os and have a new drive
[22:43] <arraybolt3> Just because something's new doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't have problems baked in by the manufacturer on accident.
[22:43] <CeeClear> possible. But this is a acknowledged Bug in Ubuntu.
[22:44] <CeeClear> I will try the reccomended fix from Youtube and let y'all know if it works
[22:44] <arraybolt3> You could try using a different burning software? I use K3B usually. It's KDE software so it will pull in a lot of dependencies, but it might work.
[22:46] <CeeClear> I have tried it with k3b and other burning software before it didn't work. so before I go down that road again. I will try the quick terminal fix and see if that works.
[22:51] <Floating4> I was logged in before as #pfsense help... are the folks helping still around?
[22:51] <Floating4> I was kicked off several times and was only able to get back on now
[23:00] <jonez> greetings. I'm having trouble upgrading my machine because of a broken usrmerge package. Is there any way I can remove that package from the do-release-upgrade process?
[23:01] <moonmoon> Floating4: I scrolled up to see your context and skimmed it (very) briefly. I think where you might be getting confused about networking inside of the VM vs networking inside of the hypervisor -- they're basically separate things
[23:02] <CeeClear> ollo
[23:02] <moonmoon> if you pass through physical nics from the machine to a vm, the hypervisor isn't going to automatically know how your vm configured it or what it did with it (it could find out if it really wanted to)
[23:03] <moonmoon> meanwhile if you configure physical devices in the hypervisor and expose it to the vm as a virtual nic, the vm isn't going to see what you did at the hypervisor level and just pretends like it has its own physical device dedicated to it
[23:06] <lovetruth> I see... here you help with ubuntu 18.04 too?...
[23:08] <Bashing-om> lovetruth: We support 18.04 for 2 1/2 move months :)
[23:08] <leftyfb> lovetruth: 18.04 is supported for only another 33 dayss
[23:08] <Bashing-om> more*
[23:08] <leftyfb> 33 days
[23:09] <leftyfb> April 30th is the last day
[23:09] <leftyfb> lovetruth: you should really take this time to upgrade to 22.04
[23:09] <jonez> greetings... about that :)
[23:10] <lovetruth> I found a server somewhere (everything's upgraded, but not the ubuntu version) - a server that has still ubuntu 18.04
[23:10] <jonez> I've attempted to upgrade from 18 to 20 to 22 twice, both times I had a problem with a package called 'usrmerge'
[23:11] <lovetruth> I was thinking to upgrade first to 20.04... (it runs Zimbra 8.8.15) You think it's safe to upgrade directly to 22?...
[23:11] <Floating4> moonmoon: thank you... so how do you bridge the two, the physical and virtual.  I thought it was in the KVM config where you connect the physical bridge to the VM... but it does not populate in the drop down like that video
[23:11] <guiverc> lovetruth, Ubuntu releases upgrade to the next release (18.04 to 18.10) OR the next LTS (ie. 18.04 to 20.04) only
[23:12] <moonmoon> Floating4: maybe I'm the confused one here. Did you define your bridge on the host/hypervisor or the vm?
[23:12]  * guiverc adds 18.04 to 18.10 release-upgraded ended when 18.10 reached EOL; so only 18.04 to 20.04 now exists as for QA tested & supported upgrade paths
[23:13] <Floating4> On the host, on nmcli I see the bridge active and has the LAN IP
[23:13] <moonmoon> ah ok
[23:14] <Floating4> but for the life of me, it will not populate in the KVM admin conole so I can connect the two
[23:20] <moonmoon> Floating4: kvm is not my area of expertise unfortunately (thought it was something simpler than it turned out to be!), but from reading online I'm seeing mentions that the bridge needs to be enabled/up, so check on that perhaps?
[23:21] <Floating4> moonmoon: bridge is up
[23:24] <Floating4> moonmoon: appreciate you trying, its a rather narrow problem
[23:46] <WJC42> How do I hot-plug SATA drives? I am using Kubuntu 22.04. I run sudo dmesg -w and it does give me a notification when I plug in the drive, but I don't see it show up  when I sudo fdisk -l nor do I see it in the list of devices inside KDE partition manager.
[23:50] <ravage> https://leo.leung.xyz/wiki/How_to_hot-swap_SATA_disks_on_Linux
[23:52] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: You still around?
[23:52] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: ?
[23:52] <blahboybaz> Sorry about earlier - I thought it would be faster
[23:53] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: so dpkg -l shows some docker stuff but snap list does not.. https://dpaste.org/qtHcB
[23:54] <blahboybaz> I thought I would have installed a repo and installed it that way
[23:54] <blahboybaz> iirc
[23:54] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: apt-cache policy docker-ce
[23:55] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: docker-ce is not a supported ubuntu package
[23:57] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: what is that supposed to mean?
[23:57] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: it means you installed it from a 3rd party repo and any support issues related to the package should be directed to the 3rd party vendor
[23:58] <blahboybaz> wow
[23:58] <blahboybaz> 👍
[23:58] <blahboybaz> thanks
[23:59] <blahboybaz> And when I'm tolk in #docker that they don't support ubuntu and to go somewhere else.. then what?
[23:59] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: you have yet to explain any issue so far