[00:12] <Blue1> I am trying to get kubuntu to output the same image to 2 monitors.  however it appears to be non-trivial -- is there a way to do this?
[01:04] <cracktriloquist> #joi /jesusandhacking
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[08:46] <soee> good morning
[09:14] <morgan_> has anyone any suggestions for hat to use for remote desktop sessions with plasma5 ?
[09:14] <morgan_> *sorry - i'mnot signed in correctly - back in a sec.)
[09:15] <yossarianuk> (in case the message wasn't seen - I wasn't signed in correctly to IRC)
[09:15] <yossarianuk> has anyone any suggestions for what to use for remote desktop sessions with plasma5 ?
[09:15] <yossarianuk> with KDE 4.x I have been used X2go (probably the best remote desktop software I have seen.)
[09:22] <yossarianuk> that doesn't work with plasma5 I believe due to 'KDE 5: Incompatible due to plasmashell requiring GLX 1.3'
[09:22] <yossarianuk> I hate VNC as its far far far far worse then x2go (nx)
[09:22] <yossarianuk> there is nomachines but that is now awful
[09:23] <yossarianuk> what do you guys use for remote desktop'infg
[09:23] <yossarianuk> *desktoping*
[09:45] <aftereyo> hello
[09:46] <aftereyo> I was wondering if anyone here uses Kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 5. Is it a stable experience?
[09:49] <yossarianuk> I tried 5.1 a few months ago and it was fairly stable - 5.2 is meant to be more stable...
[09:50] <aftereyo> Do I have to do anything special to get it up to 5.2?
[09:50] <aftereyo> Or is that just an update away?
[09:55] <yossarianuk> aftereyo: If you want to try out 5.2 then I suggest trying the 15.04 beta .
[09:55] <aftereyo> Well, I think I would rather stay with the more stable 14.10 or 14.04.
[09:56] <yossarianuk> if you want to try plasma 5.2 I think you need to be on 14.10
[09:56] <yossarianuk> not 14.04)
[09:56] <yossarianuk> you can add the kubuntu ppa here - http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2
[09:56] <yossarianuk> however it may oddly be more stable to use the beta..
[09:57] <aftereyo> So yossarianuk this is what I am thinking
[09:57] <aftereyo> 1. Install Kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 4
[09:58] <aftereyo> 2. upgrade to plasma 5, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[09:58] <aftereyo> 3. upgrade 5.1 to 5.2, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2
[09:58] <aftereyo> Would that work?
[10:09] <yossarianuk> aftereyo: should do (can't vouch though..)
[10:12] <charley> wie geht es weiter ?
[10:42] <yossarianuk> is 15.04 going to use this - https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.8.0.php ?
[10:42] <yossarianuk> i.e frameworks 5.8 ?
[10:42] <yossarianuk> or is it already frozen /
[10:48] <soee> yossarianuk: i think yes, Riddell ^
[10:48] <soee> also QT 5.4.1 if im not wrong
[10:51] <Riddell> yeah it'll get updated to 5.8 when someone has time
[10:58] <yossarianuk> soee: Riddell: cheers
[11:48] <yossarianuk> this may not be the place to ask - but what the hell...  I have made a pretty coloured .bashrc (i.e PS1=...) however the colour escapes - - how to I prevent that ?
[11:52] <aftereyo> hey
[11:52] <aftereyo> I used this command to make a bootable usb stick for Kubuntu 15.04
[11:52] <aftereyo> sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[11:53] <aftereyo> but when I check in the files app in elementary os it doesn't show any contents
[11:54] <aftereyo> I get this error when itry to open it in nemo
[11:54] <aftereyo> Sorry, could not display all the contents of "BBE7-A1B0": Error when getting information for file '/media/mayor/BBE7-A1B0/╥╦o.`k': Input/output error
[11:54] <yossarianuk> aftereyo: you shouldn't need the 'bs=1m' bit
[11:54] <yossarianuk> have you tried to unplug-plugin ?
[11:55] <aftereyo> what is that?
[11:55] <yossarianuk> i.e unplug it, then plug back in.
[11:56] <aftereyo> oh, let me try
[11:56] <aftereyo> ah yes it works now
[11:56] <aftereyo> Wow, who could have guessed
[11:56] <aftereyo> That stuff almost never works
[11:56] <aftereyo> thanks
[11:56] <aftereyo> Lets hope I can boot this time
[11:56] <unopaste> aftereyo you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:19] <aftereyo> hi
[12:19] <aftereyo> I just install Kubuntu 15.04 succusfully
[12:21] <aftereyo> The driver manager does not show drivers for my GPU or wifi card
[12:21] <aftereyo> and synaptic doesn't exist yet for 15.04
[12:22] <aftereyo> how else can I get my drivers?
[12:22] <soee> aftereyo: hi, for package managements ue Muon
[12:22] <soee> *use
[12:23] <soee> let me check drier manager, also what gpu are you using ?
[12:23] <aftereyo>  nvidia 240gtm
[12:23] <aftereyo> nvidia-331 is my driver I normaly use
[12:24] <aftereyo> I cannot find synaptic in Muon either
[12:24] <soee> aftereyo: it lists drivers for me http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/13/worksace14.png
[12:25] <soee> but there were problems with it before
[12:25] <soee> aftereyo: are you uing daily iso ?
[12:25] <soee> and do you have latest upgrades ?
[12:25] <aftereyo> NO, fresh nsitall
[12:25] <aftereyo> let me check the updates
[12:26] <aftereyo> Why is it called muon now?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> aftereyo, sudo apt-get install nvidia-340, which is the 15.04 driver for your gpu
[12:26] <aftereyo> I should probably update the os first though right?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:27] <aftereyo> okay
[12:27] <aftereyo> Muon update closes once I start it
[12:27] <BluesKaj> and dist-upgrade too
[12:27] <aftereyo> I see the name in the task bar for about 2 seoncds
[12:27] <aftereyo> can i update via the terminal?
[12:27] <aftereyo> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:27] <BluesKaj> just use the terminal for now
[12:27] <aftereyo> will that work?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:29] <aftereyo> will I be able to upgrade all the way to when 15.04 officially comes out?
[12:29] <aftereyo> or will i have to reinstall?
[12:30] <soee> aftereyo: sure you will can, just apply updates when tehy show up
[12:30] <soee> and you will be finally on 15.04 stable :)
[12:30] <aftereyo> cool
[12:30] <aftereyo> plasma 5 is such a nice improvment
[12:30] <aftereyo> finally a linux distro that looks nice
[12:32] <soee> aftereyo: after you play a bit with 15.04, feel free to share with us your note https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/XdgxMysGSfw :)
[12:32] <aftereyo> are you a dev?
[12:33] <soee> aftereyo: no no :) i do some stuff for cmmunity
[12:34] <aftereyo> I there a way without g+?
[12:35] <aftereyo> how do I ge the icon only taskbar?
[12:37] <soee> aftereyo: unlock widget, than right click on current task manager and pick Alternatives
[12:37] <soee> than choose the one you want
[12:37] <soee> *unlock widgets
[12:43] <rosco_y> Should I use samba to network two ubuntu desktops?
[12:44] <soee> hmm lordivader recommended once some other tool, BluesKaj ^ do you know better one than samba ?
[12:44] <hateball> I'd use SMB as a last resort
[12:45] <hateball> !share
[12:45] <hateball> hmmm
[12:45] <BluesKaj> ssh
[12:45] <hateball> oh well, I'd use NFS or SSHFS
[12:45] <rosco_y> hateball: ty, I thought I was probably going in a bad direction, using a windows protocal to network linux pcs
[12:46] <BluesKaj> in dolphin networking , soee ?
[12:46] <soee> rosco_y: ^
[12:46] <rosco_y> can anyone share a link to some noobie information on networking two linux desktops?
[12:46] <soee> BluesKaj: its about what rosco_y asking
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yes , I see that now ...should have looked futher up the scroll
[12:47] <rosco_y> :) I admit I don't know everything about everything.....
[12:48] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, try networking in dolphin before resorting to samba
[12:48] <aftereyo> cool, that looks better
[12:48] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: thank you--I thought Dolphin was a file manager ?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, add network folder
[12:48] <soee> oh its more powerfull
[12:49] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: Awesome, I think I love you....
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ros  yers it can manage files over a network  too
[12:49] <BluesKaj> rosco_y,^
[12:51] <BluesKaj> now now let's reserve judgement til it works , rosco_y ")
[12:57] <mayor> how can I get Anti Aliasing for window previews?
[12:58] <mayor> http://i.imgur.com/Wu9mIud.png
[12:58] <mayor> see how it is all pixelated
[13:00] <BluesKaj> mayor, systemsettings >app appearance>fonts>enable antialiasing
[13:03] <aftereyo> fonts already have aa
[13:03] <aftereyo> it the small window preivew I am atalking about when you hover over the icon or alt tab
[13:03] <aftereyo> alt + tab shwos the list of window small on the left side
[13:08] <BluesKaj> aftereyo, system settings has changed in 15.04 vs 14.10
[13:09] <aftereyo> okay
[13:09] <aftereyo> let me restart
[13:09] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 vs 4 actually
[13:10] <aftereyo> hmm
[13:10] <aftereyo> brb restarting
[13:17] <drawkward> Can anyone tell me what is a .fab file meant for?
[13:18] <aftereyo> hi
[13:18] <aftereyo> so yeah, I enabled the font AA and the previews are still pixelated
[13:21] <mparillo> drawkward: Fabmaster? http://www.unisoft-cim.com/importers.htm Fabmaster seems to be obsolete product that is not supported by its developers. http://www.file-extensions.org/fab-file-extension http://www.kornzauber.de/en/extension/fab
[13:23] <drawkward> mparillo: i googled .fab and came to that webpage. but i am confused because I am working on Stellarium, which uses .fab files for constellations.
[13:24] <Pici> Its probably their own format
[13:24] <BluesKaj> aftereyo, have you done a dist-upgrade?
[13:24] <aftereyo> no
[13:24] <aftereyo> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:24] <aftereyo> that one?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:25] <aftereyo> Muon is currenlty updating, I will in a sec
[13:25] <aftereyo> what does dist-upgrade give me?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> !dist-upgrade
[13:26] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[13:26] <Pici> :)
[13:26] <aftereyo> !upgrade
[13:26] <drawkward> Pici: how do you make your own format or implement something similar? For instance if I am studying how constellations are done in stellarium, and I want to implement the same thing on kstars in kubuntu, how can I use their file format?
[13:27] <Pici> drawkward: I'd start by looking at the stellarium developer documentation: http://www.stellarium.org/doc/head/index.html
[13:28] <drawkward> ok thanks
[13:29] <BluesKaj> btw aftereyo , now that you're on 15.04 , any questions regarding it should be asked in #ubuntu+1, the chat supports all flavours of 15.04
[13:29] <Pici> drawkward: #stellarium also exists, and *might* be helpful.
[13:29] <aftereyo> Okay thanks
[13:30] <aftereyo> so Kubuntu 15.04 is off topic here?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> basically, yes
[13:42] <Jiyuhen> Hi All
[13:44] <Jiyuhen> With Kubuntu 14.04 is the LTS, right?
[13:44] <Jiyuhen> So what is with users having 14.10? Do they need to up or downgrade when the update period is over and is a upgrade via the Terminal or similar possible as soon the upcoming LTS is available?
[13:46] <Jiyuhen> Ok - scrap the the upgrade question. Just found my answer. Seems as if there will be a notification on the system :)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Jiyuhen, yes upgrade via terminal with do-release-upgrade , but one should update/upgrade and dist-upgrade before doing so
[13:48] <BluesKaj> I'm referring to an upgrade to 14.10
[13:49] <Jiyuhen> Thank you BluesKaj!
[13:49] <Jiyuhen> Yeah, so is it better to roll with the releases or stick with the LTS ones?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> the same goes for 15.04 when it's officially released in April , then 14.10 users can do the same
[13:51] <Jiyuhen> So always roll with the releases?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Jiyuhen, that's a matter of what you require from a release, most workplaces require stability and long term support so LTS is usually best for those situations
[13:53] <BluesKaj> a home user like me upgrades to new releases when available, but that's my personal preference
[13:54] <Jiyuhen> I am just fighting the n00b in me, trying to understand the ups and downs. I am on 14.10, which is so far stable and I like it, but 14.04 is the LTS.
[13:56] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj, so the LTS is the all tested and the releases inbetween are those were "we" help the Devs in making a better next LTS? -Would that fit as a very simple explanation?
[13:57] <aftereyo> LTS is long term support
[13:57] <aftereyo> which means it not bleeding edge
[13:57] <aftereyo> It's aimed at people who will no reinstall every 9 months
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Jiyuhen, well I suppose there's an element of users acting as testers , but there are ppl like me who test dev releases as a hobby:)
[13:59] <Jiyuhen> Ok :)
[14:05] <MoonUnit`> vivid 'feels' a bit smoother with X 1.17 and my 280x.
[15:12] <thaha> halo\
[15:13] <thaha> resolution issue kubuntu 14.04 intel hd graphics
[15:13] <thaha> Recently installed Kubuntu 14.04. I am only gets maximum resolution of 1024x768. Required resolution 1360x768. How to get the same ? Please help me
[15:14] <thaha> no none here ?
[15:14] <thaha> WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:16] <thaha> marinalexxx
[15:16] <thaha> :-)
[15:17] <thaha> help in intel driver ?
[15:17] <soee> BluesKaj: do you have any experience with intel drivers to help thaha ?
[15:18] <thaha> tried intel graphics installer
[15:18] <thaha> installed above package and ran with an installer..  Installer installed several packages like build-essentials and shows report.  ''sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'' d the system.  rebooted,   Nothing happened. No new entry in resolution selection in KDE control module.  What I do sir ?
[15:19] <thaha> :'(
[15:20] <soee> thaha: i don't know, my resolution on this laptop is autodetected i think
[15:20] <thaha> i got only 1024x768 maximum
[15:20] <BluesKaj> thaha, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[15:21] <soee> and i don't use anything more than what kubuntu installs by default
[15:21] <thaha> BluesKa,Executed sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[15:22] <BluesKaj> thaha, there won't be any output from that command , it loads the intel driver ...then reboot
[15:22] <thaha> i will be back
[15:24] <thaha_> rebooted
[15:24] <thaha_> no effect
[15:25] <BluesKaj> thaha_, so what have you doner so far in regards to kmix or alsamixer ?
[15:25] <thaha_> kmix is installed with kubuntu
[15:26] <BluesKaj> yes, as ia alsamixer
[15:26] <soee> BluesKaj: but we are talking about gpu driver right ?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ia-is
[15:26] <thaha_> ya GPU driver
[15:26] <thaha_> why audio
[15:26] <thaha_> ?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ght it was audiooops , thouf
[15:26] <thaha_> there is no issue in audio
[15:26] <BluesKaj> err audio
[15:27] <thaha_>  xrandr Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767 VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm    1024x768       60.0*     800x600        60.3     56.2      848x480        60.0      640x480        59.9   HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted rig
[15:27] <BluesKaj> scuse my mistake ...
[15:27] <thaha_> have any idea to set resolution to 1360x768 ?
[15:27] <thaha_> Kde control module shows upto 1024x768
[15:28] <thaha_> ammede andi kure myrenmaar join cheyyundnenalathe oru pariyum nadakillanu thonnunnu :'(
[15:28] <MoonUnit`> does grep 'Modeline' /var/log/Xorg.0.log show a 1360x768 modeline?
[15:28] <thaha_> grep 'Modeline' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [    15.610] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e) [    15.610] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800<PHONE_NUMBER>  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e) [    15.610] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800<PHONE_NUMBER>  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz e) [    15.610] (II) intel(0): Mo
[15:29] <MoonUnit`> it not you'll probably have to add your own custom modeline, not something i have experience with
[15:29] <thaha_> how ?
[15:30] <thaha_> no modile lines will work
[15:30] <thaha_> i tried to addmoelines and failed
[15:31] <MoonUnit`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution has a part about adding undetected resolutions.
[15:32] <thaha_> tried above guide
[15:32] <thaha_> xrandr: cannot find mode 1360x768
[15:34] <BluesKaj> thaha_, is the gpu driver the i915?
[15:34] <thaha_> how to check the gpu driver ?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> thaha_,  lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D'
[15:36] <thaha_>  lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06)         Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Device [1458:d000]         Kernel driver in use: i915 00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller [8086:0c0c] (rev 06)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> o, thaha_  Kernel driver in use: i915, which is the correct one
[15:37] <thaha_> bluesKaj ??????????
[15:38] <thaha_> correct ? using gigabyte motherboard
[15:38] <BluesKaj> it is the the correct thaha_ , didn't mean to confuse
[15:39] <thaha_> okay.
[15:42] <thaha_> then how i adjust resolution
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> thaha_, do you have opengl 2.0 at a minimum chosen in systemsettings>desktop effects.advanced>composting and Qt graphics set at raster ?
[15:47] <thaha_> yes
[15:47] <thaha_> raster
[15:47] <BluesKaj_> what about composting type ?
[15:48] <thaha_> opengl 2.0
[15:51] <BluesKaj_> then in system settings>display configuration>LVDS1 the list of available rsolutions should show 1366x768 as the top available resolution
[15:52] <thaha_> display configuration or display and monitor ?
[15:52] <thaha_> no entry like display configuration       ?
[15:53] <thaha_> okay. display configuration shows VGA1
[15:53] <thaha_> 1024x768 is top available resolution
[15:54] <soee> your moitor supports higher ?
[15:54] <BluesKaj_> in display and monitor>display configuration ..ok which kubuntu bersion are you running , I didn't see
[15:54] <thaha_> worked with centos 6 in 1360x768
[15:54] <BluesKaj_> versu=
[15:55] <BluesKaj_> version rather
[15:55] <thaha_> kubuntu 14.04
[15:56] <rberg_> thaha_: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> so the dsiplay configuration doesn't show the LVDS1 ? it's been a while since ran 14.04
[15:57] <thaha_> only shows VGA1
[15:57] <rberg_> LVDS1 isnt that just for laptop displays?
[15:57] <thaha_> tried via xrandr new modline
[15:57] <thaha_> its pc
[15:58] <thaha_> not laptop
[15:58] <thaha_> samsung monitor\
[15:58] <rberg_> yeah thats why you dont have a LVDS1
[15:58] <BluesKaj_> doh! ..it seemed like a laptop by the specs
[16:00] <rberg_> thaha_: doh! I see that linkwas alreadt posted.. what about "xrandr --addmode VGA1 1360x768"
[16:00] <thaha_> xrandr --addmode VGA1 "1360x768" xrandr: cannot find mode "1360x768"
[16:05] <thaha_> any way ?
[16:06] <soee> thaha_: you might want to ask on #ubuntu as there is more users
[16:07] <thaha_> okayz
[16:07] <MoonUnit`> did you try adding the modeline 'cvt 1360 768 60' outputs
[16:10] <BluesKaj_> I didn't think he needed to install and configure the driver that should have already been installed by default with the OS
[17:12] <DaltonCalford> Does anyone know where I can find the settings for kde5 with kubuntu 15.04? I am trying to clear old settings but removing .kde does not seem to get everything
[17:15] <mparillo> Could some be in .local/share?
[17:19] <soee> DaltonCalford: also .config/ is involved with storing settings
[17:19] <BluesKaj> DaltonCalford, don't think the full kde5 package is installed yet , just plasma 5 and KF5 , looked in /usr/share, maybe it resides elasewhere but plasma 4 is still in /usr/share
[17:19] <soee> but this also has your apps configuration to do a backup before removing
[17:20] <DaltonCalford> ok, so, .kde, .config and ./local/share are possible places that hold the problems
[17:21] <DaltonCalford> and BluesKaj, plasma5/kde 5 is the default for 15.04
[17:21] <DaltonCalford> I will try to clean those up, thanks guys
[17:26] <BluesKaj> DaltonCalford, I'm on 15.04 , and i don't see kde5 anywhere as a package like  kde4
[17:27] <BluesKaj> oops too late ,. again
[17:31] <aftereyo> how can i log out of kubuntu via terminal
[17:31] <aftereyo> gnome-session-quit isn't working
[18:40] <james-_-> yay ! everyone changes nick
[18:41] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:43] <james-_-> hello
[19:35] <rberg_> anybody know of a way to control notifications by activity? I want to make a no distraction activity.
[19:38] <bprompt> rberg_:    am I wrong, or is that what "system settings > system notification configuration" does?
[19:40] <rberg_> bprompt: those settings apear to apply to all activities
[19:41] <bprompt> hmmm it has a categorizing per  app , in the "Event source" pulldown it seems
[19:42] <rberg_> I would like to have a 'Desktop' activity that has my email, chat, web browser, and notifications and a 'Development' activity full of konsoles and code with no notifications at all..
[19:44] <bprompt> hmmm    maybe something in the repositories or just turn off all notifications   =)
[19:46] <rberg_> is there a single notification toggle somewhere or a qdbus command I can send?
[19:46] <rberg_> these are probably better suited for #kde
[19:49] <bprompt> rberg_:     I see "colibri" in the universe repository, which is another type of notification daemon, maybe more configuratble than kwin's
[19:50] <rberg_> thanks I will look into this
[20:37] <afteoyo_> So I think my kubuntu 15.04 install is broken
[20:37] <afteoyo_> the plasmashell (desktop, launcher, background) no longer launches
[20:38] <afteoyo_> At least not on start up
[20:38] <afteoyo_> problem is that I cannot start it manually either
[20:39] <afteoyo_> when I do Ctrl Alt f2 to go to shell I cannot return to the empty desktop
[20:39] <afteoyo_> even though plasma5 did not launcher there was a black desktop
[20:39] <afteoyo_> I saw the mouise
[20:44] <MoonUnit`> afteoyo_:  probably this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1430817
[20:44] <MoonUnit`> there is a fix in the later comments
[20:46] <afteoyo_> I see thanks
[20:46] <afteoyo_> I will try it
[20:47] <afteoyo_> brb
[20:59] <afteoyo_> MoonUnit`, I did those 2 commands
[20:59] <afteoyo_> they are both valid commands and run
[20:59] <afteoyo_> but what am I supposed to do afterwards?
[21:00] <afteoyo_> I am still in a shell
[21:00] <afteoyo_> startx doesn't work, it just makes the entire screen black
[21:00] <afteoyo_> plasmashell won't start inside of a shell
[21:00] <MoonUnit`> no idea, when i enabled the sddm service the login screen appeared.
[21:01] <MoonUnit`> may not be the same bug then
[21:01] <afteoyo_> I get a login screen first
[21:01] <afteoyo_> power up -> login screen -> a black desktop with mouse -> ctrl alt f2 for a shell -> run commands -> stuck
[21:09] <Kaliraa> afteoyo_: I had a similar problem.
[21:09] <Kaliraa> Are you still able to launch Krunner when you log in?
[21:09] <afteoyo_> yeah
[21:09] <afteoyo_> but only open it and type stuff in
[21:09] <afteoyo_> not execute anything
[21:09] <Kaliraa> Yeah, it was the same for me
[21:10] <Kaliraa> If I can't figure out what the problem is, I'm planning to just reinstall 14.10
[21:10] <afteoyo_> Me too :D
[21:10] <Kaliraa> Or wait for 15.04 release
[21:10] <afteoyo_> When in doubt, surrender -- Albert Einstein
[21:11] <Kaliraa> lol
[21:11] <Kaliraa> It was weird though, because I don't remember changing anything
[21:11] <Kaliraa> Just, one day, I couldn't log in properly
[21:11] <afteoyo_> Yeah
[21:11] <afteoyo_> same
[21:13] <afteoyo_> I am too new to ubuntu to fix it
[21:13] <afteoyo_> can't even pinpoint the problem
[21:13] <afteoyo_> I think I will just reinstall something
[21:15] <MoonUnit`> my usual fix for kde not starting up properly like that is to rename .kde and .local then restart with clean configs.
[21:15] <afteoyo_> I will give that a shot tomorrow
[21:16] <afteoyo_> but for now it nnn time
[21:16] <afteoyo_> bye guys
[21:16] <afteoyo_> cya soon
[21:16] <afteoyo_> where are those files/folder?
[21:16] <afteoyo_> /home?
[21:16] <afteoyo_> /?
[21:16] <MoonUnit`> yeah in you home folder
[21:17] <MoonUnit`>  the dot before the file name mean they are hidden byu default in dolphin, should be a toggle to show them.
[21:18] <afteoyo_> aky
[21:18] <afteoyo_> thanks
[21:18] <afteoyo_> time to sleep
[21:18] <MoonUnit`> np
[21:18] <afteoyo_> Will reutrn tomorrow with results
[21:29] <AxeChopper> Your computer is in danger. Please immediately run rm / -rf
[21:30] <lordievader> AxeChopper: Please don't give such advice.
[21:31] <AxeChopper> Your computer is in danger.
[21:31] <bprompt_> hehee
[21:31] <lordievader> That is doesn't work is besides the point.
[21:31] <AxeChopper> Please donate $10 to our foundation or immediately run "rm / -rf" for free results.
[21:32] <rberg_> that will still delete ~/ and in the end isn't that where the important data is on a desktop/laptop
[21:32] <Kaliraa> i once did rm -rf /
[21:32] <bprompt_> AxeChopper:   press immediately -> sudo poweroff <---  to get $100 in bogus bitcoins
[21:32] <Kaliraa> with safety off
[21:32] <bprompt_> hehee
[21:33] <bprompt_> someone who got bored of watching pokemon reruns I gather
[21:47] <phoenixz> Is Kubuntu 15.04 getting an audio overhaul? please say yes.. I'm so so tired of audio constantly failing that I'm nearly ready to go back to windows (And kill myself while I'm at it).. pulseaudio failing all the time, and then there is a good 16 step 3 hour debugging process you can try each time.. Yeah, don't think so
[21:50] <phoenixz> I just pulseaudio -k and restarted amarok.. now amarok does not hang, it plays, but still no sound.. alsamixer shows all audio muted (HOW if my kmix shows all is at max? Don't tell me that each layer can modify sound levels, my headache is big enough already...  I cannot modify the alsamixer sound levels.. I guess go windows and reboot again?
[22:05] <phoenixz> I am seriously so tired of this.. Why can't we have one nice simple audio stack so that if there is a problem, I don't have to check in twenty places...?
[22:40] <Walex2> phoenixz: more or less what you say is all true
[22:40] <Walex2> phoenixz: you need to get the ALSA level right. PulseAudio is just a sound mixer.
[22:41] <Walex2> phoenixz: I have written a nice page about GNU/Linux sound here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubles
[23:13] <adept> anyone good with asla?
[23:13] <valorie> adept: ALSA you mean?
[23:13] <adept> my headphones jack stopped foring but it worked until I threw kubuntu on this laptop
[23:13] <adept> si pardon my butterfingers
[23:14] <valorie> !info alsamixer
[23:14] <valorie> hmmm
[23:15] <valorie> !info alsamixer-gui
[23:16] <valorie> !info alsamixergui
[23:16] <valorie> that might be what you need
[23:17] <valorie> do an `apt-cache search alsa` in the cli and there are lots of results -- muon search for alsa might get you what you need as well
[23:17] <valorie> muon package manager
[23:17] <valorie> discover probably will not discover
[23:18] <Turk> hi
[23:19] <phoenixz> Why do we still require alsa anyway? So far, for audio, I've seen on my laptop.. Alsa, pulseaudio, gstreamer, phonon.. Can't we have just one audio stack that just works? I'm still without audio :(
[23:20] <valorie> phoenixz: more help is always needed
[23:20] <Turk> anyone tried plasma 5 how about with games steam etc ?
[23:20] <valorie> evidently steam is easier to install now, Turk
[23:21] <valorie> phoenixz: I hear your cry, and sympathize
[23:21] <valorie> it is better than it used to be, imo
[23:21] <Turk> i always use steam with wine not linux version cause of some games
[23:21] <Turk> how is it working with plasma 5
[23:22] <Turk> im using ubuntu now but i m gonna download kubuntu i dont like unity and gnome much
[23:22] <valorie> I don't use it, but as I say, installing steam at least is easier than ever
[23:22] <Turk> should i download the stable 14.04 or 14.10 is ok
[23:22] <valorie> I'm finding Vivid beta to be excellent
[23:23] <valorie> if you want plasma 5, you need vivid
[23:23] <ahti> hi there
[23:23] <valorie> we no longer support plasma 5 on 14.10
[23:23] <ahti> i'm having a problem with my wifi
[23:24] <ahti> i'm unable to connect to my other router which uses 4g connection
[23:24] <ahti> adsl works fine
[23:24] <ahti> the network applet just shows "configuring interface
[23:24] <Turk> ok is it ok how about bugs on vivid ?
[23:24] <valorie> is there a hidden window wanting a password?
[23:24] <ahti> the computer i'm using is a think pad X200s
[23:25] <valorie> of course there are bugs
[23:25] <valorie> it is a beta
[23:25] <Turk> i mean there will be always bugs on betas but is it ok for dailly use
[23:26] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu
[23:26] <valorie> as I said, I'm using it daily
[23:26] <ahti> can someone help me?
[23:26] <valorie> ahti: is there a hidden window?
[23:26] <valorie> look in your taskbar
[23:26] <ahti> no
[23:27] <Turk> thx a lot
[23:27] <ahti> can't see one even with "present all windows" thingy
[23:27] <valorie> Turk: be sure to look at the known bugs
[23:27] <valorie> ok, then I don't know.....
[23:27] <Turk> yeah im on that :)
[23:27] <valorie> !wireless
[23:27] <adept> I use synaptic
[23:28] <adept> I have the alsa ubuntu packages installed
[23:28] <valorie> same, you can search with synaptic
[23:28] <valorie> it works in the console
[23:28] <valorie> alsa, I mean
[23:28] <valorie> using your arrow keys
[23:28] <valorie> M = mute
[23:29] <ahti> thanks for the link! Just one thing... do you happen to know where network manager stores data of  known connections
[23:32] <valorie> it will, yes
[23:32] <valorie> oh, where
[23:32] <valorie> hmmm
[23:33] <valorie> I would assume somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps or perhaps /usr/ somewhere
[23:34] <valorie> if you use kwallet, then your passwords are stored there, encrypted
[23:43] <lordievader> phoenixz: What audio problems are you experiencing?
[23:46] <phoenixz> lordievader: Just in the past 2 months or so, every so often, the audio drops out completely.. amarok just stalls, and the slider will not move even when on play..  If I check, I see no sound cards anymore what soever.. dmesg shows no audio errors that I am aware of..
[23:49] <lordievader> phoenixz: Have you run PA in the foreground?
[23:49] <phoenixz> PA?
[23:49] <phoenixz> pulse audio?
[23:50] <phoenixz> From what I've been told here, pulseaudio -k would kill it and auto reload
[23:50] <lordievader> If it is set to do so, yes.
[23:53] <phoenixz> lordievader: Thats an asterisk that was never mentioned before.. When is it set to do so?
[23:53] <lordievader> phoenixz: By default it is set to respawn, but that can easily be disabled.
[23:54] <lordievader> phoenixz: "echo autospawn = no > $HOME/.config/pulse/client.conf&& pulseaudio -k" will disable the respawn for that user.
[23:55] <phoenixz> lordievader: I would not want to disable it, I want it to work, no matter what...
[23:55] <lordievader> phoenixz: This is the first step in debugging the problem. Just wanting something to work isn't going to fix bugs.
[23:56] <lordievader> phoenixz: You want PA to run in the foreground, in that way when in crashes you might get a hint as to why it crashes.


[22:36] <melodie> hi!
[22:36] <melodie> I'm trying some music players and now can't install Audacious in Xenial. I posted a bug report, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/1676092
[22:37] <melodie> if someone in charge could have a look, not sure perhaps I should've posted it against gdk-engines-pixbuf instead of Audacious


 Uploading armel-cross-toolchain-base_1.64.tar.gz: done.   Uploading armel-cross-toolchain-base_1.64_source.changes: done.
[12:30] <hrw> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:30] <hrw> my first upload - hope it will go fine
[13:12] <Laney> tumbleweed: is there any way you could send your signature for my @nottingham.ac.uk uid to one of the other addresses?
[13:13] <Laney> I want to find out what Exchange is doing to it
[13:13] <Laney> p.s. hi!
[13:15]  * tumbleweed looks
[13:22] <Laney> thanks
[13:23] <Laney> hmm it's differet
[13:23] <Laney> nt
[13:27] <tumbleweed> Laney: yeah I can't reconstitute the message caff sent, but it does archive the signature
[13:27] <Laney> tumbleweed: I think you sent the signature for @orangesquash.org.uk
[13:28] <Laney> oh, no
[13:28] <Laney> it was right... hmm
[13:28] <Laney> what in the world did exchange do?!
[13:28] <tumbleweed> heh
[13:34] <hrw> can someone answer me some questions about ubuntu developer membership?
[13:34] <micahg> hrw: let's see what the questions are first :)
[13:34] <hrw> sure
[13:35] <hrw> I applied for (and got) universe contributor cause was told that motu is going to be removed
[13:35] <Laney> who told you that?
[13:36] <hrw> nevermind
[13:39] <hrw> so what is a difference between universecontributor and normal contributor? just @ubuntu stuff which I can just ignore?
[13:40] <micahg> hrw: contributing developer can't upload
[13:40] <iulian> hrw: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers?
[13:40] <hrw> micahg: universecontributor can't uplaod too
[13:41] <micahg> hrw: that's contributing developer AFAIK
[13:41] <hrw> iulian: read. just wanted to discuss do I understood it properly
[13:42] <hrw> micahg: ppu rights gave upload
[13:42] <micahg> hrw: that's not contributing developer, that's Per-package uploaders (and members of ubuntu-dev)
[13:44] <hrw> micahg: ppu devs contributes by their uploads and can also (as 'Prospective Developers') contribute by providing bugfixes/debdiffs for sponsors
[13:46] <hrw> I mean: is there a difference between 'Prospective Developers' (no @ubuntu, no rights to upload, gives bugfixes/debdiffs for sponsors) and 'Universe Contributors' other then @ubuntu stuff?
[13:46] <iulian> hrw: No.
[13:46] <micahg> hrw: ubuntu membership is the difference
[13:47] <hrw> thx
[13:47] <Laney> those bullet points are confusing
[13:47] <Laney> UCD aren't 'responsible' for anything
[13:48] <hrw> UCD just gets ubuntu membership. rest should be dropped
[13:48]  * hrw would apply for motu instead
[13:48] <micahg> well, the list should imply the bar for acceptance to some extent
[13:49] <Laney> i'd appreciate someone updating it :-)
[13:49] <hrw> http://pastebin.com/U5RGuec1
[13:50] <Laney> i like 'continue with sponsored uploads' too
[13:51] <hrw> Laney: add "rest is like for Prospective Developers" line? :)
[13:57] <micahg> I think it should list the duties, just not explicit responsibility
[14:00] <hrw> micahg: they are mostly same for out-of-ubuntu-members and for universe-contributors
[14:02] <micahg> hrw: indeed, but there's some level of participation reUCD
[14:03] <micahg> s/reUCD/required to be a UCD/
[14:03] <Laney> the 'significant and sustained' barrier still applies
[14:03] <ari-tczew> wgrant: could you update http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/ for oneiric?
[14:09] <wgrant> ari-tczew: Done.
[14:10] <ari-tczew> thnx
[14:40] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[18:23] <sebner> highvoltage: if you haven't sent the pics to laney, you can send them to me directly if you want :)
[18:24] <highvoltage> sebner: ok. I put it on facebook and tagged him, but I guess you'll want higher-res photos anyway :)
[18:24] <sebner> highvoltage: that and I don't use FB :P
[18:24] <highvoltage> (just finishing something up and will send then)
[18:24] <sebner> highvoltage: no rush!
[20:13] <alkisg> Hi, I want to prepare a .debdiff for VLC, which contains changes in binary files. How can I do that?
[20:13] <alkisg> (for some reason they also have the binary translations inside the source package - the specific files I want to update are el.po==text and el.gmo==binary)
[20:16] <geser> isn't el.gmo generated from el.po?
[20:17] <alkisg> It is. But it's also there in the source package
[20:18] <alkisg> I.e. after `dpkg-source -x` and without building anything, it's there
[20:18] <alkisg> So I should update it for the debdiff, no?
[20:19] <alkisg> (trying to prepare an SRU for lucid, for updated greek translations - I talked to the devs about it but I have problems with the binary file there :()
[20:20] <geser> isn't it regnerated during build from your patched el.po?
[20:21] <alkisg> It is. So I can just skip updating el.gmo in the .debdiff?
[20:21] <alkisg> (I believe the correct thing would be for the source package to not contain el.gmo...)
[20:26] <geser> yes and yes
[20:26] <alkisg> (it would also make the source package 17 MB smaller - or 6 MB compressed)
[20:26] <alkisg> Thank you, I'll try that
[20:37] <highvoltage> sebner: sending mail...
[20:40] <sebner> highvoltage: thanks very much :)
[20:40] <highvoltage> you're welcome!
[22:30] <___D> http://fpaste.org/mTME/ hmm
[23:11] <___D> what is going wrong here? http://fpaste.org/C1a1/
[23:12] <___D> he is missing a makefile, but the package doesn't have a makefile, it is only to install some conf files
[23:14] <paultag> ScottK: sorry I jumped in. I was only there because one of my buddies needed python package help.  My bad.
[23:14] <ScottK> paultag: I thought it was fine.
[23:14] <paultag> I usually try to be a bit nicer, I felt a bit harsh. Thanks, though.
[23:15] <ScottK> I guarantee that morph thought you did, but I think he'd have thought that to anything other than "Morph: you are completely right".
[23:15] <paultag> ScottK: :)
[23:16] <___D> http://fpaste.org/UT3O/
[23:17] <___D> #
[23:17] <___D> W: openstudiomenu source: missing-debian-source-format
[23:17] <___D> #
[23:17] <___D> W: openstudiomenu source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.8.3 (current is 3.8.4)
[23:17] <___D> #
[23:17] <___D> W: openstudiomenu: new-package-should-close-itp-bug
[23:17] <___D> #
[23:17] <___D> W: openstudiomenu: copyright-has-url-from-dh_make-boilerplate
[23:17] <___D> #
[23:17] <___D> E: openstudiomenu: section-is-dh_make-template
[23:17] <___D> #
[23:17] <___D> W: openstudiomenu: empty-binary-package
[23:17] <paultag> ___D: that built fine, you just don't have a GPG key to sign with. Use the -k flag to pass in the key if it's not byte-for-byte identical with the changelog
[23:17] <___D> sorry
[23:18] <paultag> ___D: Whoh, use pastebin :)
[23:18] <___D> Pathin_, why is it an empty binary?
[23:18] <paultag> ___D: all of those are simple to fix, use the -i flag for a better description
[23:18] <paultag> Oh I missed that
[23:19] <paultag> ___D: What build chain are you using? Does it support DESTDIR?
[23:19] <___D> paultag, I am trying to build with http://debathena.mit.edu/config-package-dev/
[23:20] <paultag> Ahha
[23:22] <paultag> ___D: what's the rules file look like?
[23:22] <paultag> are you including config-package.mk
[23:22] <___D> paultag, http://fpaste.org/De5s/
[23:23] <paultag> hummm
[23:23] <paultag> ___D: and your control?
[23:24]  * ScottK figures that one is somehow broder's fault.
[23:24] <broder> ___D, ScottK, paultag: looking....
[23:24] <broder> but yes, likely my fault
[23:24] <___D> paultag, http://fpaste.org/O5Iv/
[23:24] <broder> (well, likely the fault of the other people working on Debathena for being too busy with finals to reply to ___D's e-mail)
[23:25] <paultag> broder: just finished my last finals, it was amazing. Free at last, free at last :)
[23:25] <broder> paultag: i graduated a year ago, which is why i was trying to let the current students deal with this :)
[23:25] <broder> it's character building
[23:25] <paultag> broder: Ahhh :)
[23:26] <paultag> broder: MIT, then?
[23:26] <broder> yeah
[23:26] <paultag> broder: I'm from Wellesley, right outside Boston
[23:26] <___D> broder, I changed some stuff since my last email, with this as example http://debathena.mit.edu/config-package-dev/code/examples-simple/debathena-conffile-example/debian/
[23:27] <broder> ___D: your package is called openstudiomenu, but you have a file called debian/openstudio-menu.install
[23:27] <broder> you need to either drop or add some hyphens somewhere
[23:27] <___D> broder, hmm ok
[23:33] <___D> broder, seems to be better now...
[23:35] <___D> broder, is it possible to install conf files in the home dir (knowing the username) or do you get problems with right etc. then?
[23:36] <broder> ___D: i don't believe that the package manager is the right way to deliver files to a user's homedir
[23:36] <___D> broder, you're right probably ...
[23:39] <___D> broder, o my it seems to work :)
[23:40] <___D> broder, when the package is removed, config-package-dev restores the default conf? And it is possible to upgrade the package (e.g. the conf files)?
[23:40] <broder> yes, and yes
[23:41] <___D> broder, paultag thanks!
[23:41] <paultag> I did nothing, thanks broder :)
[23:41] <paultag> I thought you were woried about the wrong error and gave you bad advice :)
[23:41] <___D> you're evil, right
[23:41] <___D> :p
[23:41] <paultag> :)


[14:12] <thafreak> thnx taggypants
[14:13] <paultag> 10:12 < THERFRERERK> THNX TERGGERPERNTS
[14:14] <thafreak> mer ternks terrgerpernts ers rerplerced werth er bert
[14:15] <paultag> 10:14 < THERFRERERK> MAH TERNKS TERRGERPERNTS ERS RERPLERCERD WERTH ER BERT
[17:32] <thafreak> I MUTHERF***IN HATE ALFRESCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:49] <Cheri703> I am sorry if my dining outdoors offends you thafreak, but I can eat where I want to!
[17:53] <paultag> 13:32 < THERFRERERK> I MAHTHERF***ERN HERTE ERLFRERSCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:17] <canthus13> paultag: ...irssi script?
[18:17] <paultag> canthus13: https://github.com/paultag/ERMAHGIT
[18:17] <paultag> canthus13: it'll turn normal github commits into that
[18:18] <paultag> canthus13: aka: yes.
[18:18] <paultag> 14:17 <+CERNTHERS13> PERLTERG: ...ERSSI SCRERPT?
[18:26] <thafreak> java is the devil...i hope oracle f**ks up so badly that everyone in the world abandons it
[18:26] <thafreak> I'm beyond frustrated at this point...
[18:27] <thafreak> turns out something changed in recent tomcat6 version, which causes some bug in adobe flash to not allow flash based uploads in alfresco
[18:27] <thafreak> and sysadmin that I am, I started with precise, cause why not use the latest version of stuff right...
[18:27] <paultag> 14:26 < THERFRERK> JERVA ERS THE DERVERL...I HERPE ERCLE F**KS ERP SO BERDLER THERT ERVERERNE ERN THE WERLD ERBERNDERNS ERT
[18:28] <thafreak> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
[18:28] <paultag> (in a hopeless attempt to cheer up thafreak)
[18:28] <paultag> 14:28 < THERFRERK> FERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERERCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
[18:29] <thafreak> no, what would cheer me up is oracle deciding that no one is allowed to use java proper, without a licesne and then I can abandon this project because it would cost too much
[18:29] <paultag> hahaha
[18:29] <paultag> oh lordy
[18:29] <thafreak> but i think that won't work...since google already beat them in court about that stuff
[18:30] <thafreak> OR, if I could find a wealthy person/org to fund me to do my own thing so I can quit this jerb
[18:32] <thafreak> screw it...I'm just starting over with lucid
[18:32] <thafreak> course my luck, I'll find some f**k'in bug in lucid that breaks some other stupid thing...
[20:48] <canthus13> doesn't Lucid EOL in 8 months?
[20:48] <paultag> for the desktop, iirc
[20:49] <paultag> servers got another few years
[20:49] <canthus13> paultag: yeah...
[20:49]  * canthus13 just throws debian on his servers.
[20:49] <paultag> just as good :)
[20:49] <paultag> (if not better)
[20:50] <paultag> I hate not running Debian on my work machine
[21:14] <dzho> I know right?


[05:27] <halp> Quick question
[05:27] <halp> would apt-get update and apt-get upgrade cause my host key to change?
[05:29] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:50] <henkjan> halp: regular apt-get update en apt-get upgrade should not cause changed hostkeys
[06:52] <henkjan> halp: upgrade between releases, eg 12.04 to 14.04 or 16.04 could add support for new hostkeys like ed25519
[06:53] <halp> henkjan: I got the answer already in #ubuntu but ty
[06:53] <halp> I've wiped and locked down the machine now. It had nothing of value anyways
[09:53] <CarlenWhite> sarnold, Oh, hey. I did figure out what might be going wrong. It seems like my ISP is indeed stepping in and blocking requests to port :25
[09:54] <CarlenWhite> Because I was able to connect to the same server from a business network no problem.
[09:55] <CarlenWhite> If I feel bothered, I'll see if I can bug my ISP to lift that limit else devise a different solution.
[09:55] <CarlenWhite> Either sanely by having it go to a proper service.
[09:56] <CarlenWhite> Or tunnel to a work server to facilitate the request.
[11:10] <Capprentice> Hi! when I run blkid I see these - /dev/sdb: UUID="LSI     M-^@M-^F)%" TYPE="ddf_raid_member"
[11:11] <Capprentice> How do I make these hdds show up as normal hdds? in etc/fstab?
[11:11] <Capprentice> The hdd Im booting from is showing this -/dev/sda1: UUID="055b6e93-b53f-4020-96d1-8ad49aad2779" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="14b09c11-01"
[11:26] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: isn't that a fake raid setup?
[11:26] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: so would mounting it individually not be the wrong things to do?
[11:30] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, I do not know. I just used fdisk to format the disk partition type to msdos and then create one single partition of ext4.
[11:31] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: that might even have killed some of the disk data - the "ddf_raid_member" means that this is a fakeRaid
[11:32] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, How do I make it non raid?
[11:32] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: TL;DR the bios/hw does part of the raid setup, but would rely on special drivers to do so correctly
[11:32] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: If you don't want it to be special you need to go to your bios and/or storage controller setup
[11:32] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, The SATA controller is set as AHCI.
[11:32] <Capprentice> RAID is not selected there.
[11:33] <Capprentice> And when installing I passed the argument nodmraid
[11:33] <cpaelzer> Yeah also the borads/devices doing so get less and less - so it might be safer to go without
[11:34] <cpaelzer> yet your blockid reports a ddf type device
[11:35] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, How do I fix it?
[11:35] <cpaelzer> haven't had  such a system for years - I'm thinking (slowly) ...
[11:37] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: since I understand that you want to kill the data on it anyway to install fresh or something like it maybe wipe the old signatures and reboot so the kernel stops detecting it as such?
[11:37] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: dmraid -x or so?
[11:39] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, The /dev/sdb/c/d can be wiped. I have no data on them.
[11:39] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: there are more things to wipe it - here is a discussion you might want to follow and try https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1322108
[11:41] <cpaelzer> dmraid -rE seems to be the consensus in this thread, but since I don't have the device or used it be carful Capprentice
[11:42] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, I dont even have the package dmraid installed and I selected the AHCI mode. How or why it beacame lke this?
[11:42] <Capprentice> :(
[11:42] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: I think the kernel tries to detect
[11:43] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: but that is only half way done - either "kernel detects fakeraid, userspace consumes and sets it up" OR "wipe it all so it boots without being detected as such"
[11:44] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: it might have metadata form an old installation I'd guess
[11:44] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: there are plenty of similar references around like https://askubuntu.com/questions/91167/un-raiding-a-two-disk-fakeraid-array
[11:44] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: but they all seem to resolve around wiping the unwanted metadata
[11:49] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, ERROR: ddf1: seeking device "/dev/sdd" to<PHONE_NUMBER>954048
[11:49] <Capprentice> ERROR: writing metadata to /dev/sdd, offset<PHONE_NUMBER>504 sectors, size 0 bytes returned 0
[11:49] <Capprentice> ERROR: erasing ondisk metadata on /dev/sdd
[11:50] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, This had no previous installation. This is the first installation on the server. I dont know why and how this got attached and now giving me error on trying to remove it :(
[11:50] <cpaelzer> :-/
[11:51] <cpaelzer> Sorry Capprentice I can't help more, I think you now need to hope to find somebody with the same or a similar device
[11:52] <cpaelzer> and while searching for him continue trying to find how to fully wipe it
[11:52] <cpaelzer> Capprentice: what storage controller is that exactly, so that somebody else here might chime in if he has one
[11:58] <Capprentice> cpaelzer, I have disabled the controller in BIOS. I dont remember its name and lspci shows  Sunrise Point-H PMC
[12:43] <mason> Capprentice: Just coming in, but did you do anything to nuke metadata on the disks?
[12:44] <mason> A not-horrible suggestion prior to using disks that aren't brand new/unused is to dd if=/dev/zero over them.
[12:45] <mason> Or maybe if=/dev/urandom if you're going to do crypto on the devices later.
[12:55] <ahasenack> sgdisk -Z is also interesting, as it also takes care of the partition data at the end of the disk iirc
[13:08] <M3mphiZ> Is there a minimal iso for ubuntu server?
[13:10] <andol> M3mphiZ: How much such an iso differ from the regular mini.iso?
[13:12] <M3mphiZ> andol: i thought the mini.iso is for desktop, no?
[13:13] <andol> M3mphiZ: Well, Ubuntu is Ubuntu. Just that some installers provide different defaults.
[13:14] <M3mphiZ> andol: thats what i thought, so ubuntu server is preconfigured for server and the rest for desktop, thats why i thought the mini.iso is preconfigured for desktop..
[13:17] <andol> Unsure exactly what defaults the mini.iso gives you, but I do remember having used it to install a server. Just set the low debconf level and you will be fine.
[13:17] <andol> ...and if you want to be really sure, start by testing it out in a virtual machien.
[13:19] <M3mphiZ> andol: what do you mean with lob debconf level?
[13:20] <M3mphiZ> andol: or better, how do i set it to low?
[13:27] <mason> ahasenack: Does that know about fakeraid metadata? I think it just wipes partition data, which would leave the fakeraid stuff there.
[13:28] <ahasenack> mason: don't know, give it a try
[13:29] <mason> ahasenack: You miss my point. I wasn't asking to ask, I was asking to tell. :P
[13:30] <ahasenack> where is the fakeraid stuff written to?
[13:30] <ahasenack> -Z destroys gpt and mbr data structures, it's what the manpage says
[13:30] <mason> Looks like the last 512K on disk: https://djlab.com/2013/07/removing-raid-metadata/
[13:31] <mason> Right, but... that's not going to touch the metadata.
[13:32] <mason> Put another way, -Z very cleanly and precisely destroys the partition structure.
[13:41] <jamespage> coreycb: hey - the sync process for the UCA is currently broken - a duplicate build snuck into one of the ocata or pike pockets for qemu
[13:41] <jamespage> coreycb: resolving that now but it currently means that no updates are getting from the build PPA's to the real UCA
[13:41] <coreycb> jamespage: ack
[13:56] <jamespage> coreycb: OK I think I've poked it enough and things are now syncing again
[13:56] <coreycb> jamespage: ok cool
[14:04] <redvic> Hi, I have not used IRC in 10 years I guess that makes me a newbee...
[14:05] <ogra_> rather a unpracticed oldie :P
[14:06] <redvic> thought so, how is it referenced now days
[14:14] <dpb1> ah
[14:15] <dpb1> IRC. :)
[14:16] <redvic> what software is recommended for server virtualisation would like to run two ubuntu servers at once ?
[14:19] <dpb1> redvic: KVM
[14:28] <rbasak> redvic: or lxd, for speed and density, unless you specifically need VMs.
[14:29] <compdoc> I'll have to try lxd someday
[14:31] <redvic> i use odoo accounting software on ubuntu server 12 lts would like to run two version and one test server
[14:32] <IShavedForThis_> hey, I'm having problems with a hdd turning to read only mode after a random amount of time. I have already run fsck and can't figure out the problem! has anyone had to deal with shit sort of thing with external drives before?
[14:35] <compdoc> IShavedForThis_, usually means the drive has problems. use SMART and see
[14:36] <compdoc> glad you shaved, btw
[14:39] <IShavedForThis_> hmm okay. is there a command for that?
[14:39] <IShavedForThis_> hahah thanks.
[14:45] <compdoc> smartctl -a /dev/xxx
[14:45] <compdoc> you have to replace the xxx with the drive
[14:45] <compdoc> pastebin.com the results
[14:46] <compdoc> may have to use sudo
[14:49] <redvic> how do i setup kvm? do i load ubuntu server then install kvm and setup my virtual servers from there?
[14:50] <compdoc> yup. do you have a desktop installed?
[14:50] <mason> redvic: https://superuser.com/questions/229084/does-displayport-carry-sound-as-hdmi-does
[14:50] <mason> Um, that didn't copy properly.
[14:51] <mason> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/virtualization.html
[14:51] <mason> that one
[14:51] <mason> So, if you want libvirt, for example: sudo apt install qemu-kvm libvirt-bin
[14:55] <redvic> what version of LTS ubuntu server is recommended 12 14 ?
[14:56] <Ussat> we use 16.04 LTS here
[14:57] <redvic> i know its not server related what IRC client is recommended here ?
[15:01] <compdoc> 16.04
[15:07] <redvic> is it possible to setup a server between my wifi access point and internet connection in order to control access to network ? i am helping a school with wifi in all the class rooms for teachers only but students hack wifi and gain access to data
[15:08] <redvic> wifi password is a problem as students have access to teachers devices
[15:09] <redvic> can ipfire do something like this?
[15:10] <redvic> how would i secure data on a wifi network?
[16:34] <rbasak> cpaelzer: triaging bug 1685332, I think it would be reasonable to say that non-experimental NVMe support for smartmontools is a wishlist request, so Triaged/Wishlist. What do you think?
[17:33] <teward> powersj: poke.
[17:33] <powersj> teward: sup
[17:33] <teward> powersj: thou hast forgotten nginx special triage rules
[17:33] <powersj> doh
[17:34] <teward> "Invalid", not "Incomplete", because "Not a bug"
[17:34] <powersj> Actually I thought I did mark it invalid
[17:34] <teward> ah, your canned response and the status don't match
[17:34] <teward> that's whyt
[17:34] <teward> *tosses phone into /dev/null*
[17:34] <powersj> yeah ;)
[17:34] <teward> why*
[17:35] <teward> powersj: i think we'd need to update the canned comment - it references "incomplete"
[17:35] <teward> FRAKKK stupid tor >.<
[17:35] <teward> there we go...
[17:35] <powersj> that's fair. I get into copy and paste mode, but did remember you prefer invalid to incomplete
[17:35] <teward> powersj: yeah, i get too many of those "Hey, this doesn't start" "Stop running the other webserver ya ninny" situations
[17:35] <teward> just got tired of them :)
[17:36] <powersj> I hear ya
[17:36] <teward> back in a bit.  IT never sleeps, nor do we get a freaking break xD
[17:46] <endpoint_david> hey folks, we just released a new version of DBD::Pg; wondering how we get libdbd-pg-perl updated accordingly
[17:47] <nacc> endpoint_david: it's currently sync'd from Debian (with rebuilds as needed), so I'd guess if Debian updated, we'd pick it up
[17:48] <jelly> and debian won't update before debian 9 is released (this year, probably)
[17:49] <nacc> jelly: good point
[17:49] <nacc> endpoint_david: if there's a strong reason we should update ahead of Debian, I'd file a bug
[17:49] <jelly> unstable is "slushy", no new upstream version are coming in before stretch release
[17:49] <endpoint_david> the primary reason is supporting PostgreSQL 10
[17:50] <endpoint_david> which breaks a few things as far as versioning, etc, internally
[17:50] <endpoint_david> now, that hasn't been released yet
[17:50] <endpoint_david> but that means that anyone using Pg 10 in the future is going to have to update DBD::Pg out-of-band AFAICT
[17:50] <nacc> endpoint_david: ok, i'm not sure we're updating to pg10
[17:51] <endpoint_david> yeah, I'd expect that isn't going to be in the base dist for sure
[17:51] <nacc> endpoint_david: it's on, i think, our roadmap for 18.04
[17:51] <nacc> endpoint_david: let me check my e-mail (i, along with cpaelzer, are the primary packagers for the pg updates)
[17:51] <endpoint_david> ok, when is the freeze for that?
[17:52] <nacc> endpoint_david: for 18.04? well, it's not even open yet :)
[17:52] <endpoint_david> nacc: cool, good to meet you
[17:52] <endpoint_david> then I haven't missed the deadline there... ;)
[17:53] <nacc> endpoint_david: i'm *guessing* that when Debian brings pg-10 out of exp to unstable, we'll probably see them pick up the new version of dbd-pg too
[17:53] <nacc> endpoint_david: it's probably best to file a bug in debian so they are aware of the need to update
[17:53] <endpoint_david> nacc: so how would this work in the meantime?  generally people will use the PGDG repo, so do we need to package a custom version of libdbd-pg-perl there as well?
[17:54] <endpoint_david> since it's still pre-release it's kind of moot at this point, just trying to make sure things work out easiest in the future
[17:55] <nacc> endpoint_david: not sure I follow what the issue is (yet). The version we have in 17.10 (I am assuming) works with the PG in 17.10, right? When we do the migration to PG-10 in Ubuntu (next cycle most likely), there will be a transition tracker (as many packages will need to be rebuilt, updated, etc.)
[18:03] <endpoint_david> nacc: the problem would be if someone installs the PGDG repo to install pg10 but uses the system libdbd-pg-perl (which doesn't work with Pg 10), then anyone trying to use DBD::Pg wouldn't be able to work with it
[18:04] <endpoint_david> so to me it looks like the choices are to either package/distribute the updated DBD::Pg in PGDG repo as well or update system libdbd-pg-perl to support it
[18:04] <nacc> endpoint_david: right, if you have your own repo, then you need to make it self-consistent
[18:04] <nacc> endpoint_david: you package/ship PG itself?
[18:05] <endpoint_david> well, the PGDG project does
[18:05] <endpoint_david> and I'm sure we could get them to include a custom package
[18:05] <nacc> endpoint_david: yeah, that seems like the right place to resolve this, it's not really an ubuntu issue
[18:06] <endpoint_david> dumb question: are external repos able to depend on other packages?  we don't want to have to maintain a separate full perl installation for dependencies
[18:06] <nacc> endpoint_david: well, the packages themselves express their dependencies
[18:06] <nacc> endpoint_david: i'm assuming the PGDG repo is meant to be added to ubuntu
[18:06] <endpoint_david> ubuntu or debian both
[18:07] <nacc> endpoint_david: so they could depend on any ubuntu package; but as with libdbd-pg-perl, they need to ship anything they want to control specifically the version of
[18:07] <nacc> endpoint_david: otherwise they are reliant on whatever ubuntu/debian decide
[18:07] <endpoint_david> ok, well that sounds like the way we'll have to go then, thanks
[18:07] <endpoint_david> thanks for your help
[18:08] <nacc> endpoint_david: np
[18:10] <kyle__> Is anyone here pxe installing 16.04 server?  How did you get the serial console to work?  Through 14.04, I was able to just append console=ttyS0,115200 to the boot, and it worked.  Not, not so much
[20:50] <JrWebDev> is their any good open source ERP system that i can learn from...i want to learn how to setup an ERP system. is their any good open source ERP systems out their just so i can practice and see how an erp is implemented?
[21:19] <sarnold> !package openssh-client
[21:21] <nacc> sarnold: !info?
[21:22] <sarnold> !info openssh-client
[21:22] <sarnold> oh!
[21:22] <nacc> sarnold: not sure if that's what you were looking for :)
[21:22] <sarnold> nacc: that's it exactly; thanks
[21:23] <sarnold> with !package the little guy replies with <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package openssh-client  -- which looks like it might not understand the https redirect on https://packages.ubuntu.com/  :)
[21:23] <sarnold> but if you ask the correct thing it still gives correct answers. hehe.
[21:25] <nacc> sarnold: right, because it's interpreting the whole string as a command (in this case 'package openssh-client') and it happens to look like English :)
[21:26] <nacc> "Sorry, I don't know anything about <input>"
[21:26] <sarnold> I wish it replied to a help or !help or commands or !commands or something. sigh :)
[21:27] <nacc> sarnold: yeah, i wonder if teh command list is too long
[21:44] <mason> !info xv
[21:45] <sarnold> sorry mason, it hasn't existed in a while it looks like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xv
[21:45] <mason> I can hand-build it. But yeah, it's not there in Xenial either.
[21:46] <mason> I'm thinking of using it to learn .deb packaging at long last.
[22:08] <nacc> mason: what is xv?
[22:08] <sarnold> image viewer
[22:08] <sarnold> it used to be the only thing we had twenty years ago :)
[22:09] <nacc> sarnold: oh i thought it was some other new thing -- given the reference to 'deb packaging' :)
[22:09] <sarnold> nacc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
[22:09] <nacc> sarnold: yeah, i've used *that* xv before :)
[22:12] <nacc> mason: xv is probably better (at this point) as a snap
[22:12] <sarnold> you'd certainly be done packaging way sooner :)
[22:13] <nacc> :)
[23:05] <mason> Ooh, a snap. That's a good idea too.
[23:05] <mason> Probably worth learning both.
[23:06] <nacc> mason: for end-user applications, the snap is going to be a lot faster
[23:08] <mason> Yar. Just saying.
[23:40] <teward> sarnold: the more you know, huh?
[23:40] <sarnold> ★✰⭐⭑⭒
[23:41] <teward> *throws sarnold into /dev/null*
[23:42] <teward> sarnold: mind a PM?
[23:42] <sarnold> sure


[06:36] <DarkTrick> Could someone try this: press Ctrl+Alt+F12 and change back to Ctrl+Alt+F7. Check if Xorg process starts running hot with 100% CPU ?
[06:46] <kotek14> DarkTrick: Xubuntu 20.04.1 here, up to date. No problem here
[06:47] <DarkTrick> kotek14, thank you for the quick test!
[09:34] <brainwash> DarkTrick: does it stop after some time?
[10:40] <DarkTrick> brainwash, after about 10 minutes it stops and goes back to normal
[11:10] <brainwash> DarkTrick: 10 minutes is quite long
[11:10] <DarkTrick> brainwash, it is
[11:10] <brainwash> do you have a big .xmodmap file?
[11:11] <DarkTrick> brainwash, I guess in ~?
[11:11] <brainwash> yes
[11:11] <brainwash> ~/.xmodmap
[11:12] <DarkTrick> brainwash, there is none, actually
[11:12] <brainwash> then it is not the cause of your problem
[11:13] <DarkTrick> without any clear evidence, I think this behavior goes in the category "bugs with Xorg and external devices".
[11:13] <DarkTrick> It just feels the same.
[11:14] <DarkTrick> but in case you have any leads ... :)
[11:15] <brainwash> I would check ~/.xsession-errors
[11:15] <brainwash> and also check if killing xfsettingsd has any effect
[11:16] <brainwash> xfsettingsd --replace
[11:16] <brainwash> after triggering the high cpu bug obviously
[11:21] <DarkTrick> brainwash: nice tip!
[11:23] <DarkTrick> brainwash, looks like `xfsettingsd --replace` helps recovering
[11:24] <DarkTrick> Also, I get a couple of "Internal error:   Could not resolve keysym Paste" errors when I run that command. Perhaps things are related...
[11:24] <brainwash> you are still running Xfce 4.14, or?
[11:24] <DarkTrick> the official one delivered by ubuntu 20.10
[11:25] <DarkTrick> ( I'll test again without /modifications to my keyboard/ )
[11:25] <brainwash> would be interesting to know if the bug is still present with 4.16
[11:27] <DarkTrick> brainwash, do I need to worry about this? https://pastebin.com/9aEz03k4
[11:28] <brainwash> does not look related
[11:28] <DarkTrick> ✔
[11:28] <brainwash> it's a libvte warning
[11:29] <DarkTrick> custom keyboard layout was also not related.
[11:29] <DarkTrick> when will 4.16 be rolled out?
[11:30] <Maik> with the 21.04 release of xubuntu
[11:30] <Maik> in April
[12:10] <DarkTrick> thanks Maik. Maybe I'll have a little bit of time to install it in a vm and try to reproduce it
[12:16] <brainwash> DarkTrick: a VM may behave differently though
[12:16] <DarkTrick> probably
[12:17] <DarkTrick> btw, how to get my xfce version?
[12:17] <DarkTrick> nvmd
[12:17] <brainwash> alternatively, you could just test it on your hardware
[12:17] <DarkTrick> xfce4-about :)
[12:17] <brainwash> via the live session
[12:18] <brainwash> or even better, install 21.04 on a removable device and boot it
[12:19] <brainwash> because the live session may behave differently too
[12:23] <DarkTrick> at least no probs in a VM with 4.16 pre XXX. I will give the removable a try, if I find a little bit of time :) thanks for the ideas!
[15:03] <Xu-Jordan> Hi, Community, how are you? I'm Jordan and I would like to know if is there any solution for my black screen at start in Xubuntu 20.04, if you can help me, please?
[15:05] <Xu-Jordan> I have a HP Pavilion with AMD Ryzen 5 Radeon 3500 laptop PC. I have had this problem with Ubuntu, too. The only way it boots is with Nomodeset. Thanks for your help.
[16:54] <okami61> hi
[16:54] <okami61> i'm new here
[19:44] <gredos91> hi, I do not understand what kind of "removable volume" I have from time to time, on the desktop. What could it be?
[19:47] <diogenes_> gredos91, could be a windows partition if you dual boot.
[19:48] <gredos91> no
[19:48] <diogenes_> then a screenshot
[19:49] <gredos91> diogenes_: ok
[20:00] <gredos91> diogenes_: https://prnt.sc/wgzxcr
[20:01] <diogenes_> that's a USB drive or an ED card.
[20:05] <gredos91> but now nothing is connected
[20:08] <diogenes_> cat /proc/mounts | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:08] <diogenes_> share the url
[20:10] <gredos91> https://termbin.com/rb4p
[20:18] <diogenes_> everything seems legit.
[20:21] <gredos91> diogenes_: this removable volume has a certain size
[20:22] <gredos91> after restart, it disappears
[20:30] <gredos91> diogenes_: this is a desktop bug like xfce
[20:30] <diogenes_> well what happens when you try to open it?
[20:31] <gredos91> volume not found
[20:33] <diogenes_> maybe it's from one of those snaps loops no clue i've never used any snaps.
[20:35] <gredos91> perhaps
[20:43] <gredos91> diogenes_: ticked the box. show hidden files on the desktop. and the removable volume is gone))
[20:46] <diogenes_> but it's not supposed to be there in the first place.
[20:49] <gredos91> yea
[21:37] <xubuntu34isonic1> ineed
[21:37] <xubuntu34isonic1> help


[06:08] <Guest22> =D
[06:09] <Guest22> hello
[06:10] <Guest22> 请问Kubuntu在注册界面下跳转到了OEM登陆，但是不知道密码是多少？
[10:57] <charles> Good morning from Austin, TX  :)
[12:10] <user|58> Good morning everyone, does anyone know how I can update the video card drivers within kubuntu?
[12:13] <weedmic> drivers are part of the host OS - and for the most part, need to be inegrated into the kernel.  if you are not using mesa, add a repository for your brand card, like nvidia, then open muon/synaptic and update (or use apt in the konsole)
[12:13] <weedmic> soz, i read kubuntu as kde, but what I said remains correct.
[12:16] <user|58> my board is from intel, does it work the same way?
[12:26] <weedmic> do you mean your gpu is integrated into the motherboard and is an intel chip?
[12:38] <user|58> Yes. I'm using a notebook. According to some research, my card has a maximum resolution of 4k, but when I go to set a new one using the xrandr command, it doesn't work
[12:42] <weedmic> user|58: do this to get all the data - "inxi -Gxx | grep compositor" - you may need to install sensors and inxi
[12:42] <weedmic> sorry, not that, but inxi -Gxx
[12:47] <user|58> the result was this from the photo. I wanted to increase the card's resolution within Kubuntu, because in Windows my monitor's resolution accepted it just fine
[12:49] <user|58> I think the photo will not load, but the maximum resolution is 1920x1080, could I change it to 2560x1080? in windows the identification was instantaneous
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[20:08] <user|15> Hello
[20:09] <user|15> I'm using Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[20:09] <user|15> But I'm facing a issue also
[20:10] <user|15> When I start or turn on my HP laptop a message pop up
[20:10] <user|15> I'm afraid of it
[20:10] <user|15> Pl
[20:13] <genii> It may be informative to know what the message is telling you, if anything
[20:14] <user|15> Please let me know what is going on the system
[20:16]  * genii sighs and heads back to the coffeepot
[20:16] <cbreak> must have been a very scary message
[20:18] <user|48> I'm using Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS , I find a message on boot time when i turn the HP laptop on