[00:19] <TeamXlink> grrrrrr
[00:19] <TeamXlink> When the basement door is left open, and the dogs come down here, and find an animal, like a bat or a rat/mouse I wish they would at least eat it fully like they do with the stuff they find in the yard.
[00:20] <TeamXlink> Instead of leaving it next too my dedicated, and then me finding it with my hand when trying to plug in a cord.
[01:08] <_stink_> yum.
[01:12] <snap-l> evening
[01:21] <jjesse> yes it is
[01:54] <rick_h_> finally, harry potter is done and over
[01:54] <rick_h_> seen my second movie this year, and never have to go to one of those again
[02:29] <_stink_> haha
[02:29] <_stink_> you get dragged to them?
[06:20] <TeamXlink> [02:17:55] <TeamXlink> Whats the difference from pirating a game from the internet
[06:20] <TeamXlink> [02:18:02] <TeamXlink> And stealing it from the store?
[06:20] <TeamXlink> [02:18:08] <TeamXlink> If you get caught pirating
[06:20] <TeamXlink> [02:18:19] <TeamXlink> Its like $5000 and 10 years or something
[06:20] <TeamXlink> [02:18:33] <TeamXlink> If you get caught stealing, its a misdeanmenor on first offense I htink.
[06:20] <TeamXlink> Thoughts?
[06:21] <TeamXlink> Opinions?
[11:42] <brousch> remember when we talked about the ultralocal weather rain prediction app? i could really use that today
[19:33] <TeamXlink> Q:
[19:34] <TeamXlink> How far could you get based on the argument, by signing a document that is mandatory for attending a *public school*, you are signing your constitiutonsl freedoms away?
[19:35] <snap-l> Good afternoon
[19:35] <TeamXlink> Assuming the student is 18, (Or else rights are really vague)
[19:35] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Are you looking to go into law?
[19:35] <TeamXlink> No, my grades don't allow it.
[19:35] <snap-l> Because those are some pretty lawyerly questions. ;)
[19:35] <TeamXlink> But legalities, interest me very much.
[19:36] <snap-l> So, keep trying
[19:36] <TeamXlink> What do you mean?
[19:36] <snap-l> You know the old addage: what do you call a medical student that graduates at the bottom of his / her class?
[19:36] <snap-l> A: Doctor.
[19:36] <TeamXlink> hmmmm
[19:36] <TeamXlink> Yes, true.
[19:36] <TeamXlink> My gpa is like 2.2, I think and I'm going too be a junior.
[19:37] <TeamXlink> It might be lower actually
[19:37] <TeamXlink> That was before last tri last year.
[19:38] <TeamXlink> I was just looking over the school hand book from last school year, too actually look more into what they were allowed too do.
[19:38] <TeamXlink> And what we weren't allowed too do.
[19:39] <TeamXlink> It will however be very different with this years stuff I expect.
[19:41] <TeamXlink> snap-I, another thing abut being a lawyer, where your degree is from matters a lot from what I've heard.
[19:42]  * TeamXlink is planning on going into GRCC unless a scholarship arrises.
[19:42] <snap-l> Are you in high school or college?
[19:42] <TeamXlink> High school
[19:42] <snap-l> high school GPA doesn't mean diddly squit
[19:42] <TeamXlink> I thought it did?
[19:43] <TeamXlink> When applying for college?
[19:43] <snap-l> Just get your grades up in CC, and university, and get your bachelors
[19:43] <snap-l> little secret: high scholl GPA means shit
[19:43] <TeamXlink> Oh.
[19:43] <TeamXlink> :D
[19:43] <snap-l> It's just a nice little even cut-off for admissions
[19:43] <TeamXlink> snap-I has just opened the doors of possibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:44] <snap-l> Most community colleges will take whatever comes throught he door
[19:44] <snap-l> so don't be too hard on yourself
[19:44] <snap-l> just apply yourself as best you can
[19:44] <TeamXlink> :D
[19:44] <snap-l> study, and learn the process of learning
[19:45]  * TeamXlink might now go into Computer Science *and* legalstuff/politician.
[19:45]  * TeamXlink can't be a politician actually, he lacks good leadership capabilites.
[19:47] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Bullshit
[19:47] <TeamXlink> What do you mean?
[19:48] <snap-l> I mean bullshit.
[19:48] <TeamXlink> In regards too what?
[19:48] <snap-l> Not every "great leader" starts out as a great leader
[19:48] <snap-l> it takes experience
[19:49] <TeamXlink> hmmmmm
[19:50] <TeamXlink> Yes that is true.
[19:51]  * TeamXlink supports too many currently illegal things though as well.
[19:52] <snap-l> Would you quit worrying and just do it? :)
[19:52] <TeamXlink> lol
[19:52] <TeamXlink> snap-l, I'll try.
[19:52] <snap-l> do
[19:52] <snap-l> or do not
[19:52] <snap-l> there is no try
[19:52] <snap-l> (Yes, I'm bustin' out the Yoda)
[20:49] <TeamXlink> snap-l
[20:49] <TeamXlink> But
[20:49] <TeamXlink> Really, how far do you think:
[20:50] <TeamXlink> How far could you get based on the argument, by signing a document that is mandatory for attending a *public school*, you are signing your constitiutonsl freedoms away?
[20:50] <TeamXlink> Assuming the student is 18, (Or else rights are really vague)
[20:52] <snap-l> TeamXlink: I have no clue
[20:52] <snap-l> I'm not familiar with constitutional law
[20:53] <snap-l> since it's a public institution, my feeling is that you still have the freedoms afforded by the constitution
[20:55] <TeamXlink> Thats what I thought.
[20:58] <snap-l> That said, I'm concerned by what I've seen lately with students being treated essentially as wards of the state.
[21:03] <TeamXlink> snap-l, what do you mean?
[21:03] <snap-l> I've seen stories where students have gotten in trouble for stuff they've posted on Facebook and other extracurricular activities.
[21:04] <snap-l> and I think that's crap
[21:04] <TeamXlink> Yeah, lol
[21:07] <TeamXlink> I found this itneresting:
[21:08] <TeamXlink> Its in the Internet and Computer use policy
[21:08] <TeamXlink> As of last years
[21:08] <TeamXlink> This years it might and will be different I think.
[21:08] <TeamXlink> But this is what it says:
[21:09] <TeamXlink> KPS may seearch and seize its resources at any time for any reason whatsoever.
[21:09] <TeamXlink> It may conduct on-site, or remote, physical and electronic searches and audits of computers, softwares, electronics/digital or printed files, Internet accounts, storage systems and computer media.
[21:10] <snap-l> Is this for a school-provided computer?
[21:10] <TeamXlink> KPS reserves the right too monitor resource use and Internet access, to establish and use electronic footprint capabilities, and to do so with or without the user's prior knowledge or consent.
[21:10] <TeamXlink> ./end typing
[21:10] <TeamXlink> snap-l no its for their network
[21:10] <TeamXlink> But this part:
[21:11] <TeamXlink> It may conduct on-site, or remote, physical and electronic searches and audits of computers, softwares, electronics/digital or printed files, Internet accounts, storage systems and computer media.
[21:11] <TeamXlink> So like there essentially key logging too me.
[21:11] <TeamXlink> Because of this:
[21:11] <TeamXlink> Internet accounts,
[21:13] <TeamXlink> It may conduct on-site, or remote, physical and electronic searches and audits
[21:13] <TeamXlink> It seems too give them the right too access account I login to when connected too their network.
[21:13] <TeamXlink> *to access any account
[21:14] <snap-l> Are you connecting to their network with your computer?
[21:16] <TeamXlink> Yeah at times.
[21:16] <TeamXlink> But mostly theirs
[21:17] <TeamXlink> But this is in their internet and computer use policy
[21:18] <snap-l> you should know as a budding lawyer that no agreement is 100% binding unless tested in court
[21:18] <snap-l> so, check for precident.
[21:19] <snap-l> where has this been tried in court, and how much has withstood the scrutiny of a judge.
[21:19] <snap-l> the opinion of some computer jocks means diddly-squit.
[21:20] <TeamXlink> snap-l I am far from a budding lawyer, lol!
[21:21] <TeamXlink> I'm way below that
[21:21] <TeamXlink> More of some kid
[21:21] <TeamXlink> Who is itnerested in legal things and such
[21:21] <snap-l> TeamXlink: don't sell yourself short.
[21:21] <snap-l> if it's something you're interested in, pursue it.
[21:22] <TeamXlink> hmmmm
[21:22] <TeamXlink> Alright, lol
[21:22]  * TeamXlink is going too check precident
[21:22] <TeamXlink> Because without it it has no legal value!
[21:23] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa
[21:23] <snap-l> TeamXlink: precisely.
[22:02]  * snap-l hopes that #! works well as a squeezebox slave


[04:21] <zabear> how do I share a message with another irc user without sending it to all the other users?
[05:28] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:06] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro barrydk mazal MaNL pieter2627 and other friendly folks
[06:07] <pieter2627> hi oom Kilos
[06:07] <superfly> Goeie naand, Kilos, pieter2627
[06:07] <Kilos> hehe
[06:08] <pieter2627> superfly: do you have loadshedding :P
[06:09] <Kilos> maybe he forgot to go sleep last night
[06:09] <pieter2627> shoe
[06:09] <superfly> No, I live in Cape Town.
[06:12] <superfly> According to Superhuman from #glug back in the day, Cape Town is so laid back we're still in last night
[06:13] <pieter2627> lol
[06:13] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:14] <pieter2627> i thought it was maybe that Cape Town avoids Stage 1 shedding
[06:14] <superfly> Well, we manage to do that from time to time as well.
[06:15] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:16] <superfly> City of Cape Town has its own power plant at the Steenbras dam,  so it sources spare capacity from there.
[06:16] <superfly> Morning mazal, barrydk
[06:16] <pieter2627> hallo mazal and barrydk
[06:19] <superfly> See you all later, my train has reached its destination.
[06:19] <Kilos> go safe superfly
[06:20] <Kilos> and have a good day
[06:53] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:53] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:10] <mazal> Lo ThatGraemeGuy , inetpro
[17:33] <Kilos> superfly  was that like a botanicla gardens palce ?
[17:40] <superfly> Kilos: ?
[17:40] <inetpro> good evening
[17:40] <Kilos> with all the parrots and lizard things
[17:40] <superfly> morning inetpro
[17:40] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:40] <Kilos> lol
[17:40] <superfly> Kilos: Oh.  Well, more tall.
[17:41] <superfly> He is now 6
[17:41] <Kilos> yeah
[17:41] <Kilos> time flies hey
[18:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:22] <gremble> Good evening
[18:41] <inetpro> hi gremble
[18:42] <gremble> How are you inetpro?
[18:42] <inetpro> good good
[18:42] <inetpro> just tired at this hour
[18:43] <gremble> It's not that late though
[18:43] <gremble> :P
[18:45] <Cryterion> nope not late, but guess I'm getting tired too
[18:49] <gremble> I'll probably wake up in a few min
[18:49] <gremble> :/
[21:16] <Cryterion> night everyone


[04:30] <guille> can you help me? quisiera saber como me certifico en ubuntu
[04:34] <guille> puede alguien ayudarme mi pregunta esta atras
[04:38] <guille> disculpen alguien puede responder mi pregunta que esta atras es muy importante para mi
[05:19] <nigelb> Good Morning!
[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <YoBoY> good morning
[13:01] <openiduser452> hi
[13:02] <mhall119> morning
[13:09] <openiduser452> hi
[21:38] <locodir-user> I have a disk i ordered and its asking me to put in my username and pass word then fails me.Its a new disk so what do i do?thank you
[21:39] <cjohnston> locodir-user: try #ubuntu for support
[21:39] <locodir-user> ok thank you again
[23:20] <mhall119> Ronnie: jono: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/loco-directory/loco-feeds progress!
[23:21] <jono> mhall119, nice!
[23:21] <jono> Ronnie, woohoo!
[23:21] <mhall119> Ronnie: I'm going to need your super-design-powers for the front-end
[23:21] <jono> maybe we should bring Ronnie into our calls?
[23:22] <Ronnie> mhall119: i hope i have some time next week. currently having other deadlines.
[23:22] <Ronnie> skype calls are welcome too next week or zo
[23:38] <mhall119> Ronnie: daker: would you guys be available to join these skype calls about loco-directory development?
[23:39] <Ronnie> not atm, middle in another skype session
[23:39] <cjohnston> Every other wednesday, 1 hour and 40 minutes ago
[23:39] <mhall119> Ronnie: this week's call is done already
[23:39] <mhall119> next is June 15th
[23:39] <cjohnston> Ronnie: whats your skype
[23:39] <Ronnie> usually wednesdays is possible for me
[23:39] <mhall119> at 2100 UTC (someone correct me if I did the time conversion wrong)
[23:40] <cjohnston> I think thats correct
[23:40] <Ronnie> cjohnston: you had already added me on skype, do you see my ' hi'
[23:41] <Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119: ping me when the meeting should starts in skype. ill add it to my schedule too.
[23:51] <YoBoY> skype meetings... :(
[23:51] <cjohnston> :-)
[23:59] <YoBoY> jono: btw next party in Paris starts the 11/11/11 (3 days) add it to your calendar please ;)


[01:26] <ndw28> why is there a vault in kubuntu. Isn't an encrypted FS or ext4 good enough to keep things secure?
[01:27] <ndw28> I guess that vault *is* encrypted FS: CryFS and EncFS
[01:27] <ndw28> when all else fails - sneaker net it
[01:28] <Unit193> 'vault' is meant to be a frontend to those things, yes?  (Also will be/is adding gocryptfs support.)
[01:30] <ndw28> Has anyone read Crypto by Steven Levy?
[01:30] <ndw28> Unit193: ok
[01:40] <proctrap> ndw28: use veracrypt if you want cross platform encrypted vaults / disks
[01:47] <ndw28> proctrap: interesting.. virtualization and encryption
[09:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:23]  * jubo2 does the new release dance
[11:23] <jubo2> I assume this is the official guide to upgrading -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BionicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[11:29] <acheronuk> jubo2: community docs, but yes
[11:34] <jubo2> Bahh.. not enough space on /-partition
[11:34] <jubo2> and someone said 15GB is enough
[11:34] <jubo2> that is probably true if you make a partition for /usr
[11:35] <jubo2> my /-partition is 20GB and I've already cleaned out the old kernels and still missing 1.3GB to perform the distribution upgrade
[11:35] <jubo2> Should I resize partitions?
[11:36] <jubo2> I better do that with Gparted since KDE Partition Manager is a tad bit buggy
[11:37] <BluesKaj> jubo2, 20GB should  be plenty for /, unless you have a lot of apps installed after the defaults
[11:38] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Is it possible to move the contents of the /-partition to the other partition if the other partition is mounted as /home ?
[11:38] <jubo2> I regret making a distinct /-partition and I've already forgot why it is recommended by some
[11:38] <BluesKaj> no
[11:38] <jubo2> Ok so resize?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> jubo2, run df -h and pastebin it, so we can have a look
[11:39] <jubo2> okays
[11:40] <jubo2> BluesKaj: https://paste.debian.net/1035820/
[11:41] <BluesKaj> wow jubo2 , what have you got in / that uses so much space?
[11:42] <jubo2> I dunno exactly
[11:43] <jubo2> the 17.10 does not remove old kernels automatically but I cleaned out those already with Synaptic
[11:44] <BluesKaj> I have a full compliment of apps in / and it's only using 9.6 GB of 16
[11:45] <BluesKaj> jubo2, run sudo apt-get autoremove then, sudo apt-get autoclean
[11:45] <jubo2> okays
[11:46] <jubo2> BluesKaj: those removed nothing
[11:46] <jubo2> This OS was originally 17.04 which I upgraded to 17.10 .. maybe something is broken
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ok, then you must have a lot of apps installed that I don't
[11:48] <BluesKaj> suggest you add at least 5GB to your / partition
[11:48] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Gparted?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> yup
[11:48] <BluesKaj> live media
[11:48] <jubo2> I boot to the USB stick and then do it?
[11:48] <jubo2> s/to/from/
[11:49] <BluesKaj> usb, cd, dvd, whatever will boot
[11:49] <jubo2> I better get a list of all installed apps and put that in a safe place.. just in case this goes belly-up
[11:50] <acheronuk> ncdu -x /
[11:50] <acheronuk> should allow you to find out where the space is taken up
[11:51] <jubo2> If I list the installations with 'dpkg --get-selections' I can later on feed that list to apt-get to get all the programs back if the system breaks on the partition resizing or something. Right?
[11:52] <acheronuk> fwiw, my /usr is 12.8 GB
[11:53] <acheronuk>  /var is 10.1 GB
[11:53] <acheronuk> I need a clean out
[11:54] <jubo2> acheronuk: running 'ncdu -x /' now
[11:54] <acheronuk> you could also have something like a small hardware error spamming a log file constantly, making it huge
[11:55] <BluesKaj> jubo2, what are you afraid of, sudo do-release-upgrade should run just fine , as long as you update and upgrade your exsiting packages first
[11:55] <jubo2> everything is up-to-date now
[11:56] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I'm afraid the resizing partitions could go wrong
[11:57] <acheronuk> wow. apt-cacher-ng is using 6.7 GB in /var/cache/
[11:57] <BluesKaj> think you may want to check acheronuk 's suggestion about a hardware error
[11:57]  * acheronuk cleans that
[11:58] <acheronuk> can be many things. I wondered where space went a while back, and it was a 15 GB lxd zfs pool that it puts on the root partition by default
[11:59] <jubo2> BluesKaj: acheronuk: Here is the output of 'ncdu -x /' https://paste.debian.net/1035822/
[11:59] <acheronuk> jubo2: you can navigate to the subfolders with ncdu :)
[11:59] <jubo2> Something weird maybe.. the kernel stuff is showing 0.0B
[11:59] <jubo2> acheronuk: oh cool
[12:00] <jubo2> I better store this command in my command-cheat-sheet.txt
[12:01] <jubo2> maybe running the ncdu without root privileges stops it from looking at the kernel-y places
[12:02] <acheronuk> qdirstat is a graphical sort of equivalent :)
[12:03] <jubo2> Stored. Thank you acheronuk for the tip
[12:05] <jubo2> I go boot from the Kubuntu 18.04.1 stick and resize the partitions to give /-partition some space
[12:05] <jubo2> It's ok to use the 18.04.1 to resize partitions of a 17.10, right?
[12:07] <jubo2> I boot from stick now. Bye.
[12:12] <jubo-on-a-stick> ok.. gonna resize the partitions now
[12:12] <jubo-on-a-stick> I better not mess this up
[12:13] <BluesKaj> I still don't see what could be taking up so much space
[12:13] <jubo-on-a-stick> oh crap. /dev/sda1 is "extended" and /dev/sda5 which is mounted as /-partition is in there meanwhile /dev/sda2 is not
[12:14] <jubo-on-a-stick> BluesKaj: me neither.. the 'ncdu' found only 10GB of stuff
[12:14] <jubo-on-a-stick> but it was probably due to that I run it as a normal user
[12:15] <jubo-on-a-stick> .. so it could not see the kernel related places. Maybe..
[12:16] <BluesKaj> what makes you think that, I ran that command as root and found no difference at all
[12:16] <BluesKaj> not as root but with root permissions rather
[12:17] <jubo-on-a-stick> so /dev/sda5 (mounted as the /-partition) is under /dev/sda1 (which is marked as type "extended") .. is this going to work if I reduce the size of the /home-partition and then grow the /dev/sda1 and then grow the /dev/sda5 ?
[12:19] <jubo-on-a-stick> I try. Got full backups of everything essential.. I think..
[12:21]  * jubo-on-a-stick crosses fingers and hits "apply" in Gparted
[12:23] <jubo-on-a-stick> Okays.. this is gonna take a while. Estimate is 2 hrs for copying 300GB
[14:58] <jubo-on-a-stick> Ok... root partition is now bigger
[14:59] <jubo-on-a-stick> I think it gonna fail to boot.. there was a warning that if you do something to the partition where /boot is then that may lead to non-booting state but there are ways to fix it
[14:59] <jubo-on-a-stick> I'll just try booting first and if it doesn't work then I need to boot back to this USB stick
[15:04] <jubo2> nah.. startup just fine after resizing partitions
[15:04] <jubo2> now.. 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' and 'sudo do-distribution-upgrade' <- was this the right command btw?
[15:07] <BluesKaj>  sudo do-release-upgrade, jubo2
[15:07] <jubo2> thanks BluesKaj. now running it
[15:39] <TBotNik> All: Kubuntu 16.04 LTS has totally trashed itself Tried the Live DVD to restore but there is no restore/recovery on mine.  Where do I get a live dvd with recovery?
[15:47] <genii> There is no specific "Recovery" option on liveDVD/USB. You just boot up into the live system and use that to figure out and fix issues, installing whatever tools may be required into the live-running system
[16:15] <TBotNik> genii: Thanks!  Never had to do it that way before.  I have no cmd line or anything.  Only have Dolphin and learning how to call all apps, etc from there!
[16:28] <TBotNik> genii: My Kernal seems to be in tack, but the desktop is totally destroyed.  About a week ago, I did nothing, but the system assigned "Desktop" to the "Start" icon and erased all icons on my systems panel.  Then last week, again I did nothing, the system completely erased the entire panel.  If I can't fix this before 3pm today, I'll be on Debian and will never come back to any flavor of Ubuntu.  They took all the dev capabilitiy
[16:28] <TBotNik> off 16.04 and it's totally useless, except as a "Windows for Dummies" user!    Windows is 20 years behind and will never catch up!
[18:43] <jubo2> reboot for 17.10 -> 18.04.1 upgrade
[18:43] <jubo2> .. to finish it
[18:43] <jubo2> Yeay!
[18:47] <diogenes_> will he come back :) that's the question
[18:50] <jubo2> I like 18.04.1 .. looks cooler than ever before
[18:59] <acheronuk> :)
[19:48] <genii> Hm
[20:06] <TBotNik> Sorry guys! Had to go pull some cables.
[20:37] <o_a> Hello. I have an issue when switching screens of windows. Sometimes the windows get horizontally squashed. Does anyone else have the same problem?
[22:44] <marcony> hey guys, how is a going?
[22:44] <marcony> anybody alive? :D
[22:45] <genii> marcony: It's prety slow in here today, but if you have some support question, just ask it in the channel and someone may offer a solution
[22:46] <genii> If you have no support questions, then the channel #kubuntu-offtopic is more appropriate for casual talk
[22:46] <marcony> thanks
[22:46]  * genii gets everyone fresh coffee
[22:47] <Unit193> Ooooh, good plan!
[22:47] <Unit193> ...Wrong channel.
[22:48] <genii> heh
[23:00] <Klinda> hi marcony :)
[23:03] <marcony> oo Klinda how are you? :)
[23:11] <Klinda> fine marcony and you?
[23:17] <marcony> me perfect :D where are you from Klinda?


[13:51] <luna_> updating my Ubuntu 23.10 test VM with Kernel 6.4 instead of 6.3
[13:52] <luna_> 6.4 just dropped in the Ubuntu kernel unstable repo this weekend


[00:50] <tsimonq2> jbicha: Martin asked me and I bounced to you so they won't find much irt gdebi. :P
[03:36] <Unit193> Laney: Hrm, so any chance of that dh backport happening?
[06:19] <Unit193> darkxst: Congrats, DM.
[06:34] <darkxst> Unit193, thanks!
[06:40] <darkxst> Unit193, I probably should have applied a long time ago though!
[06:40] <Unit193> DD sigs can be hard to come by!
[06:41] <darkxst> tell me about it, will need another before I apply for DD
[06:42] <Unit193> I might too, not sure yet.
[22:31] <tsimonq2> darkxst: Congrats on DM!
[22:31] <tsimonq2> I'll go for DM myself as soon as I get two keysigs at LFNW.
[22:32] <tsimonq2> I'm going for two, idc. :P
[22:32]  * tsimonq2 sees the channel name and moves to one of the -offtopics...


[13:28] <Pici> stuff updated
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> Hello ops, can we please quiet<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #ubuntu. They're currently trolling and making it difficult to triage and assist the large amount of incoming users with the new release.
[15:08] <dax> already looking at logs. they're probably going to be leaving us for a bit if it carries on
[15:08] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: we are monitoring #u, thank you
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> appreciated... not asking for a removal... just a mute button ;-) ... take care all.


[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #118710 in msttcorefonts (multiverse) "msttcorefonts installer script dosen't use the apt proxy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118710
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118711 in balsa (universe) "[Merge]  balsa 2.3.16-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118711
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #118712 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "install of 2.6.22-6-generic fails (Undefined subroutine &main::get called)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118712
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #110547 in reportbug (universe) "Partition Editor Error on Install Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110547
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #110558 in recordmydesktop (universe) "gtk-recordMyDesktop Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110558
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #110820 in firehol (universe) "firehol stopped working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110820
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #110840 in evolution (main) "Evolution stores mail insecurely" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110840
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #111131 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel crash [kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:588!] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111131
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #111769 in network-manager (main) "wpa enterprise eas password is visible from gconf-editor (if using network-manager)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111769
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #111887 in Ubuntu "Critical crash caused by java applet" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111887
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118731 in yelp (main) "Ubuntu 7.04's help search link identifies it as 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118731
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> evening all
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #118732 in Ubuntu "Wireless drivers missing from Fiesty 7.04 - were there in 6.06" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118732
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #118733 in freeradius (universe) "Please sync freeradius (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118733
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #118734 in atlas-cpp (universe) "Please sync atlas-cpp (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118734
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118735 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "Some excel files can not be opened directly when on SMB folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118735
[08:55] <thekorn> good morning
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118739 in elvis (universe) "Entered text is invisible in black terminals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118739
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #118740 in app-install-data-ubuntu (main) "app-install-data :  Can't import AppInstall.CoreMenu, aborting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118740
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118742 in ubiquity (main) "Potential typo in /ubiquity/scripts/install.py" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118742
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118743 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade Edgy/Feisty and Amarok crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118743
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118744 in gfxboot (main) "no gfxboot in gutsy with new syslinux" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118744
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118745 in libgnome (main) "default desktop/panel menu font sizes too small" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118745
[10:40] <dholbach> hiya
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #118746 in libapache-mod-jk (universe) "[Merge]  libapache-mod-jk 1.2.23-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118746
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118747 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[gutsy]  VTs unusable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118747
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118171 in schooltool "Dependency problem: Schooltool depends on python instead of python 2.4 (dup-of: 80324)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118171
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118748 in Ubuntu "setting second screen: crash on rebooting X-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118748
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118749 in totem (main) "hotkeys (play,pause,stop,next,previous) no more working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118749
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118750 in xfce4-panel (main) "[gutsy]  icons incorrectly resized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118750
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #118751 in nethack (universe) "Incorrect key commands" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118751
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118752 in thunderbird (main) "German Localisation: "Zertifikate wurden erfolgreich wiederhergestellt"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118752
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #118759 in listen (universe) "Please merge listen (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118759
[12:30] <thekorn> mc
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118760 in gltron (universe) "Ubuntu 6.10 crashes playing gltron" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118760
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118761 in Ubuntu "How to Enabling 64GB RAM on Ubuntu feisty created on ESX" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118761
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118762 in gnome-print (universe) "Collate order function for multiple PDF pages printing  does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118762
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #118765 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "feisty generic kernel performing worse than i386" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118765
[01:29] <RainCT> Hi
[01:30] <RainCT> can someone please check if my message on bug 118760 is correct? (not sure if that will work)
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118760 in gltron "Ubuntu 6.10 crashes playing gltron" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118760
[01:34] <Arby> RainCT: seems like a reasonable start until you see what they come back with
[01:34] <Arby> you could ask if they see any error messages or if a backtrace is generated.
[01:35] <RainCT> Arby: ok thanks. I've not worked much with '>' so I was not sure if it would work
[01:35] <RainCT> Arby: he says that the entire computer crashes so I don't think he gets any message
[01:36] <Arby> I saw that but sometimes the crash handler will throw something up on restart
[01:36] <Arby> sometimes not as well :)
[01:36] <Arby> if '>' doesn't work then they could just copy and paste the output straight from terminal.
[01:38] <RainCT> Arby: where would that crash logs go? on the home folder?
[01:39] <Arby> you mean for the command you gave or the system crash?
[01:39] <Arby> RainCT: /var/log/syslog might have something on the system crash
[01:40] <Arby> RainCT: you might find helpful stuff here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[01:40] <persia> RainCT: You may also find something interesting in /var/crash, depending on the nature of the crash.
[01:41] <RainCT> okay thanks
[01:59] <Arby> RainCT: I've just had a quick look at gltron
[01:59] <Arby> it recommends 3D acceleration
[01:59] <Arby> so you might want to check whether it's the whole system going down or just the X session
[01:59] <Arby> if the user doesn't have working 3D it could be there X session crashing
[01:59] <Arby> which opens a whole different can of worms :)
[01:59] <Arby> just a thought
[01:59] <RainCT> Arby: "ctrl-alt-f1 won't work."
[01:59] <Arby> true
[01:59] <RainCT> Arby: can it be a X only crash anyways?
[01:59] <Arby> I don't honestly know
[01:59] <Arby> I mean yes X can crash and still leave a working commandline system
[01:59] <RainCT> well, thx
[01:59] <RainCT> yes, but then Ctrl + Alt + Fx should work, or?
[01:59] <Arby> but in this specific case I don't know
[01:59] <Arby> yes it probably should
[01:59] <Arby> I just tried running gltron and had no problems here
[01:59] <Arby> anyway, lunchbreak over, back to the day job :)
[01:59] <RainCT> ok, thanks again
[01:59] <persia> RainCT, Arby:  When X crashes, it sometimes retains control of the input handlers, so that it is impossible to switch away from X (this can be tested by accessing the machine remotely).  This results in a working headless machine (no X, no console).
[01:59] <Arby> persia: thanks, didn't know about that.
[01:59] <RainCT> cya
[01:59] <RainCT> persia: thanks
[01:59] <fernando> moin all
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118768 in evolution (main) "evolution _huge_ memory leak within composing a mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118768
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118769 in rsibreak (universe) "countdown counter is clipped while drawing rsibreak screen and user is typing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118769
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #118770 in Ubuntu "Cannot burn CD, File > 700mb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118770
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118771 in python-biopython (universe) "Syntax error in python module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118771
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118772 in freqtweak (universe) "Please don't merge freqtweak 0.7.0~cvs20070605-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118772
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118773 in gnome-panel (main) "Bottom panel looks like it's frozen." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118773
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #118775 in Ubuntu "Add/Remove Applications crashes when kamefu is highlighted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118775
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #118777 in f-spot (main) "f-spot database locked when tagging 500+ photos" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118777
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118778 in Ubuntu "Missing write access to my external USB FAT32 HDD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118778
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #118779 in rsibreak (universe) "Timer does not trigger immediately waiting for the approximate time it takes to show a popup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118779
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #118780 in bonobo (universe) "/usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server does not exit after logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118780
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118781 in zsnes (multiverse) "Please sync zsnes (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118781
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #118782 in scorched3d (universe) "scorched earth 3D crashed when rotating views in game" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118782
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #118783 in sitecopy (universe) "Sitecopy translations does not use UTF-8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118783
[04:35] <CarlFK> how do I relate two bugs in LP?
[04:36] <CarlFK> one may be a dupe, but I am not sure, so I don;t want to 'mark as dupe'
[04:38] <Arby> CarlFK: you could leave a comment on one of them stating that you think they are related with a link to the other one
[04:38] <Arby> once you have enough info you can decide if they are dupes or not
[04:38] <CarlFK> thanks.  wanted to make sure there wasn't a formal option I was missing
[04:39] <Arby> not that I know of but launchpad confuses me :)
[04:40] <CarlFK> me too.
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118784 in gnome-panel (main) "Desktop effects "workspace on a cube" doesn't work after kernel update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118784
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118785 in ghostscript (main) "conflicting packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118785
[05:13] <pochu> CarlFK: there isn't another way to relate them.
[05:13] <pochu> You can for bugs and blueprints, though.
[05:13] <pochu> (And I think for answer and bugs too)
[05:14] <CarlFK> blueprints?
[05:15] <pochu> Specifications.
[05:15] <pochu> Features :)
[05:16] <CarlFK> got it
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #118788 in python-apt (main) "interface to download source code tree" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118788
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118789 in openoffice.org (main) "trouble using ExportFormFields in uno API; PDF form controls are exported even when set to False" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118789
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118790 in Ubuntu "icons disappeared from panels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118790
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118792 in gspca (universe) "Creative NX webcam detected but cannot be used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118792
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118793 in smarty (universe) "smarty should put files in /usr/share/php/smarty and not in smarty/libs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118793
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118795 in monodevelop (universe) "Please merge monodevelop (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118795
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #118797 in Ubuntu "Memory Stick Duo is not supported" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118797
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118798 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "X crashes when simultaneous rendering is triggered" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118798
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118800 in empathy (universe) "empathy: cannot add Jabber account." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118800
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118801 in gnumed-client (universe) "Please sync gnumed-client (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118801
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118803 in Ubuntu "very long boot - hdd missing - irqpoll helps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118803
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118808 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Unable to reach C3/C4 states while wireless is up." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118808
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118809 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed while playing mp3 file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118809
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118810 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed while playing mp3 file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118810
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118811 in gnome-panel (main) "Open Ofiice  Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118811
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118812 in revelation (universe) "revelation account search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118812
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118813 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Gutsy kernel lockup / video corruption with matroxfb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118813
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118815 in app-install-data-commercial (main) "SRU to add opera and arkeia " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118815
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118816 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror crashes on start page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118816
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #118817 in vim (main) "vi does not show insert status" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118817
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #118818 in Ubuntu "can't open terminal window after minimization by clicking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118818
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118819 in gnome-panel (main) "power button freezes ubuntu, missing hibernate and suspend buttons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118819
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118820 in evolution (main) "Evolution cannot handle mbox files larger than 2Gb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118820
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #118821 in firefox (main) "crashes on login - google.mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118821
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #118822 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "2.6.20-15.27 => 2.6.20-16.28 Suspend to RAM regression on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118822
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #118824 in libvncserver (main) "x11vnc version bump -- fixes krdc bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118824
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> afternoon everyone
[08:21] <pochu> Hello Admiral_Chicago
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> hey pochu
[08:27] <bdmurray> howdy
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118826 in libgdiplus (main) "missing libraries by libgdiplus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118826
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118825 in wine (universe) "Wine now supports AMD64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118825
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118828 in Ubuntu "My/SPACE/bar/doesn't/work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118828
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118830 in firefox (main) "Crash when opening a new firefox instance (Another one was already running)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118830
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118834 in netcfg (main) "preseed: netcfg/dhcp_options should not be localized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118834
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118833 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel soft lockup detected on CPU#0 under heavy I/O on AMD64 Feisty, elevator.c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118833
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118835 in Ubuntu "realtek 8139 (rev 10)  can send data but did not hear any incoming traffic (on feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118835
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118836 in Ubuntu "kde storage media applet showing unmounted CIFS share as mounted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118836
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118841 in rhythmbox (main) "Window Size" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118841
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118842 in Ubuntu "Pre-Compiled Dazuko Modules for Ubuntu Kernels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118842
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118843 in sane-frontends (universe) "scanimage does not scan image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118843
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118844 in rhythmbox (main) "RhythmBox Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118844
[09:55] <Kmos> bugs for gutsy are rejected right ?
[09:56] <Kmos> until some iso is released
[09:57] <ScottK> Kmos: No
[09:58] <Kmos> ah.. ok
[09:59] <ScottK> OTOH, I have rejected bugs when the reporter clearly didn't have any idea what was normal early in the development cycle breakage and what might be a real bug.  IMO It's a judgement call.
[10:00] <Kmos> ScottK: check bug 118844
[10:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118844 in rhythmbox "RhythmBox Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118844
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118845 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "DMA not activated on ThinkPad 600E" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118845
[10:02] <ScottK> Kmos: I'd suggest he start it command line and paste the terminal output into the bug.
[10:03] <Kmos> i've commented that
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118846 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "QLogic 4052C (qla4xxx) controller does scan the iSCSI bus properly in feisty kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118846
[10:08] <bdmurray> Kmos: I'd check the package version too and make sure it is up to date.
[10:09] <Kmos> bdmurray: thx
[10:10] <bdmurray> it is important because gutsy is moving fast
[10:11] <Kmos> yeah
[10:11] <Kmos> when some iso will be released?
[10:12] <Arby> Kmos: which one? there are already daily builds on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <bdmurray> Tribe 1 is scheduled for Thursday
[10:15] <stephans> are there any bug reports regarding Lenovo T60P WS and ubuntu 32 bit? Ubuntu 32 Fails to start X all to gether but x64 works fine.
[10:15] <bdmurray> which version of ubuntu?
[10:16] <stephans> Fistey .. the latest
[10:16] <bdmurray> stephans: so it boots off the live CD but no X?
[10:17] <stephans> correct. I booted both off the live CD (32 & 64x)
[10:17] <stephans> 32 = no X
[10:18] <Kmos> bdmurray: nice
[10:18] <stephans> not even vga...
[10:19] <bdmurray> stephans: what video card?
[10:20] <stephans> The IBM Wifi A/B/G/N (Broadcom[alias Atheros] ) failed todetect as well, but a quick download of the beta madwifi and a make && make install took care of that
[10:20] <stephans> oh an ati
[10:20] <stephans> Fire gl
[10:21] <stephans> I tried to force the ati driver included (oss one) and it said that it could not see a video card
[10:21] <bdmurray> stephans: okay, well I haven't seen a bug about that issue in particular
[10:22] <stephans> Should I try to figure out how to submit a bug then?
[10:22] <bdmurray> stephans: that would be helpful you will want to go here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[10:23] <stephans> ok
[10:23] <bdmurray> and included some additional information
[10:24] <bdmurray> like the output of 'lspci -vvn' and 'dmesg' when booting off the 32 bit CD ideally
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #118847 in kvpnc (universe) "kvpnc and openvpn doesn't work with dash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118847
[10:44] <vid> hi, i have discovered bug in Ubuntu (specifically in Partition Manager utility within Install dialog), and i can reproduce it
[10:44] <fernando> vid: file a bug in launchpad.net
[10:45] <vid> isn't there some way without registration required? :/
[10:45] <vid> (sorry, too lazy)
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #118849 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118849
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #118850 in firefox (main) "firefox should remove newlines (\n) when pasting URLs to the adressbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118850
[10:49] <bdmurray> vid: not really, registering allows us to follow up with you if we need additional information etc
[10:49] <bdmurray> if you reluctant to register you may look to see if it has already been reported.
[10:50] <vid> searching for it right now
[10:56] <bdmurray> vid: you would want to look in the ubiquity package if you used the LiveCD
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118753 in firefox (main) "Browser problem - not a function" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118753
[11:02] <vid> seems it wasn't reported yet (or same bug was hit by different actions)
[11:02] <vid> allright, i will register...
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118851 in vim (main) "vim-gtk package broken after apt-get dist-upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118851
[11:20] <bdmurray> vid: let me know the bug number when you are done
[11:20] <vid> bdmurray: Bug #118853
[11:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118853 in Ubuntu "installer crashes during partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118853
[11:21] <vid> there seems to be plenty of bugs in partition manager, due to bugreports :)
[11:21] <pochu> vid: Or a lot of duplicates ;)
[11:22] <pochu> vid: is that with Ubuntu Feisty?
[11:23] <bdmurray> vid: Feisty should have offered to submit a crash report.  Did it?
[11:24] <vid> no. unfortunatelly i don't have internet connection on that machine, nor any kind of connecting it to machine i use now
[11:24] <vid> pochu: yes, with Feisty
[11:25] <pochu> vid: It would be fine if you could attach the crash report under /var/crash/, or run ubiquity from a terminal and paste the output.
[11:26] <pochu> Otherwise, I'm afraid it will be really hard to fix it.
[11:26] <vid> pochu: i can do that tommorow when i have my USB key to transport logs to machine with internet connection
[11:27] <pochu> vid: Cool :)
[11:27] <bdmurray> vid: in addition the crash should mention getting /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman .  I'm guessing partman will have the important part based off the report.
[11:27] <vid> i doubt i will get my PCMCIA internet connection card with custom driver and Java-based interface app working easily on ubuntu :(
[11:28] <pochu> Then, with a python traceback, the changes for the bug to be fixed are really huge :)
[11:28] <vid> chanCes?
[11:29] <vid> allright, so i should attach: /var/crash, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/partman
[11:29] <vid> right?
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118853 in Ubuntu "installer crashes during partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118853
[11:31] <bdmurray> vid: there will actually be a crashreport in /var/crash/ some thing like _ubiquity_stuffhere
[11:35] <vid> bdmurray: allright, so that one file is enough...
[11:36] <bdmurray> vid: the 3 actually, I was trying to clarify the crash report information
[11:36] <vid> okay
[11:39] <vid> does following count as a bug? When i boot from Install CD, after i choose Start/Install from menu, system starts loading kernel from CD. There are several messages appearing above the menu (in green color), i think about loading vmlinuz. These messages are not displayed properly, half of lines is on left half of screen, other half is on right half. Reminds me of bugs when software has the width of display wrong.
[11:39] <vid> Might be caused by 5:3 display on notebook
[11:40] <bdmurray> 5:3?
[11:40] <vid> width:height of display
[11:40] <vid> well... natural resolution is 1280x800 or something like that
[11:41] <vid> yes, it's 1280x800 LCD display
[11:43] <bdmurray> I think that is closer to 16:9 than 5:3, but X looks fine?
[11:44] <vid> what "X" ?
[11:44] <vid> oh, x server :)
[11:45] <vid> yes, all graphics except this works fine
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118856 in ekiga (main) "ekiga wont connect to host" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118856
[11:47] <bdmurray> I haven't seen that bug before.
[11:49] <vid> yeah, it says something like "loading casper/vmlinuz......"  and second line is "loading casper/initrd.gz". Not sure about exact letters, it's hard to read :)
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #118855 in mplayer (multiverse) "Stack overflow in mplayer cddb handling" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118855
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #118857 in Ubuntu "Crash on Startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118857
[11:52] <pochu> vid: I think those messages are normal (at least they have been always here), but they should be displayed fine in the top of the screen.
[11:53] <vid> well, they aren't on my machine  :/
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #118858 in yelp (main) "Closing remarks upon, I hope, the conclusion of this affair " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118858
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #118859 in ode (universe) "OPCODE option necessary for delta3D" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118859
[12:01] <vid> should i report that problem with displaying text as a bug?
[12:03] <bdmurray> vid: sure, the output of 'lspci -vvn' and 'dmesg' would be helpful for that bug
[12:03] <vid> bdmurray: after livecd boots?
[12:04] <bdmurray> vid: yes, that would be perfect
[12:05] <vid> bdmurray: regarding previous bug (installer partitioning)... i have the "/var/crash/_usr_lib_ubiquity_bin_ubiquity.0.crash" file in there, but i cannot open it for reading. Some application is holding lock on it, even after i closed installer


[18:53] <Cheri703> anyone want to help me try to figure out some computer issues?
[18:54] <Cheri703> I'm having some random issues with my Ubuntu 12.04 installation, and I'm thinking it could be hardware issues. One is that Synergy (www.synergy-foss.org) randomly disappears every few days, also today Ubuntu one just refuses to work. Another is that occasionally the computer just starts hanging and then needs a reboot but freezes during the shutdown process so I have to press/hold the power button. From everything I can find, my HDD is ok,
[18:54] <Cheri703> but I have no idea what other hardware I should be checking/replacing
[18:55] <toddcnb> whole p2v copy for now but i have recommended a clean os and just copy drupal 8
[18:55] <Cheri703> wat?
[18:58] <toddcnb> wrong channel never mind--I hate touch pads
[18:58] <Cheri703> ok, I was like O_o
[18:59] <thafreak> yeah Cheri703 you need to p2v your machine and put it in the cloud
[18:59] <Cheri703> apparently!
[18:59] <thafreak> but seriously
[19:00] <thafreak> I've had problelems with synergy myself
[19:00] <thafreak> it's been pretty much totally unreliable anymore
[19:00] <thafreak> I had a desktop and a laptop next to each other
[19:00] <toddcnb> no just coping a real server to a proxmox vm server
[19:00] <thafreak> and basically just dropped the desktop and plugged the monitor into my laptop...works MUCH better
[19:01] <Cheri703> yeah I've been having other issues too though
[19:01] <thafreak> well, I can attest to the synergy problems may just be synergy's fault at least :)
[19:01] <Cheri703> good to know :)
[19:02] <Cheri703> in general though this thing has been really moody
[19:02] <Cheri703> :/
[19:03] <Cheri703> like stuff just crapping out randomly
[19:03] <Cheri703> strange things
[19:04] <Cheri703> not sure what would cause that
[19:04] <thafreak> maybe it's going around like the flu
[19:04] <Cheri703> and same stuff happened right after a clean install
[19:04] <thafreak> skellat said he lost a bunch of hardware
[19:06] <Cheri703> things starting to display weirdly, stuff will be fine for a while, then suddenly when I click on like a panel icon the menu stuff will not display or will only display behind things, just strange hiccups and such. and again the freezing/shutdown thing
[19:06] <Cheri703> :s
[19:06] <thafreak> what graphics card do you have?
[19:06] <Cheri703> interested in getting a dockable laptop, but that'll cost like 3-4x what a desktop will
[19:06] <Cheri703> uhm, some ati thing
[19:06] <Cheri703> got it on amazon :)
[19:07] <thafreak> i have the strangest problems on my work computers which all have ati
[19:07] <thafreak> but I have my older laptop at home with an nvidia card, and it also exhibits strange graphics hiccups like you mention
[19:07] <thafreak> so who knows
[19:08] <thafreak> i think computers are just out to shorten my life
[19:08] <Cheri703> and shrink the bank account
[19:08] <thafreak> yeah...seriously...
[19:08] <thafreak> every time I get a nice check for doing a crap ton of side work...
[19:09] <thafreak> I end up spending it all..replacing parts/building replacement systems
[19:09] <Cheri703> other than my netbook and this macbook my work gave me, NONE of my systems were purchased new
[19:09] <Cheri703> all hand-me-downs, the desktops particularly, but a few laptops too
[19:09] <thafreak> but I'm actively working on reducing the number of machines I have now...replacing with newer/energy efficient stuff
[19:10] <thafreak> haha...I haven't built a desktop for my self in probably 8 years :(
[19:10] <thafreak> i just end up using something that I used to use as a server here and there...so basically hand me downs
[19:11] <thafreak> last good-ish graphics card I bought was agp...
[19:11] <Cheri703> yeah, I think I might build myself a desktop, then it can replace my tv computer/server at whatever point I buy a nice laptop in the future
[19:11] <thafreak> i still have it somewhere in my basement too...just no agp mother boards anymore
[19:12] <thafreak> that's the way to go
[19:12] <thafreak> I'm in the process of getting a new low power machine to replace my not that old VM host...
[19:12] <thafreak> since I don't really run that many intensive vm's anyway...
[19:13] <thafreak> then I get the couple year old beast of a server for my gaming desktop...just needs a graphics card
[19:13] <thafreak> and honestly, I probably spend most of my money on damn hard drives realistically
[19:14] <Cheri703> yeah, for once I'm good on hard drives at the moment
[19:14] <thafreak> 4 hard drives that are at that sweet spot of size/price usually sets me back $500-600...
[19:15] <thafreak> well, I hope I don't have to replace these WD red drives for a LONG time...
[19:15] <thafreak> or I may just give up on the dream of having a home NAS box...
[19:46] <Cheri703> this thing holds a billion drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112300
[19:47] <Cheri703> Expansion
[19:47] <Cheri703> External 5.25" Drive Bays
[19:47] <Cheri703> 1
[19:47] <Cheri703> Internal 3.5" Drive Bays
[19:47] <Cheri703> 7
[19:47] <Cheri703> Internal 2.5" Drive Bays
[19:47] <Cheri703> 4
[19:47] <Cheri703> Expansion Slots
[19:47] <Cheri703> 5
[19:52] <Cheri703> processors are where I get lost
[20:01] <Cheri703> amd vs intel, i5, i7, athlon, phenom, I don't even know where to start. anyone a cpu guru?
[23:26] <dzho> Cheri703: when I was last building a box, I built with amd because I wanted the cheapest thing that could still do hardware virtualization
[23:27] <dzho> but at work now I spec minimum of i5 because its the minimum Intel proc that does hardware virt
[23:28] <dzho> I think the conventional wisdom is that Intel has left amd in the dust on the current generation of processors
[23:28] <Cheri703> :/
[23:28] <Cheri703> we'll see.
[23:28] <dzho> ah, made your choice?
[23:28] <Cheri703> trying to decide if I should just go ahead and get myself a nice dockable laptop, even though work gave me a macbook air
[23:28] <Cheri703> not sure. looking based on price
[23:29] <dzho> ah, an air.
[23:29] <Cheri703> it's...eh
[23:29] <dzho> going to put or have you already put linux on it?
[23:29] <Cheri703> like...it works fine
[23:29] <Cheri703> I have it on vm because I have to use ms office
[23:29] <dzho> ah
[23:29] <dzho> you could put the proprietary os on vm ;-)
[23:29] <dzho> but yeah
[23:30] <dzho> $SPOUSE has an air
[23:30] <Cheri703> 128gb ssd, so if I left osx partition, then ubuntu partition, then win vm, no space for anything
[23:30] <dzho> the form factor I like quite a bit
[23:30] <Cheri703> yeah, the hardware is nice
[23:30] <Cheri703> the software eh
[23:30] <dzho> well, I don't like the "we glued everything inside the case"
[23:30] <dzho> but since it's new enough that's less an issue now
[23:30] <dzho> or, for now, I should say.


[00:43] <doodaa> are there any instructions to follow to change a vanilla ubuntu 15.10 to ubuntustudio?
[01:01] <doodaa> can Unity be preserved if upgrading vanilla Ubuntu to Ubuntustudio by not choosing XFCE?
[02:08] <doodaa> Does this last updated in OCt 2013 page known to lead to problems? : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu


[01:24] <rantic> Hi everyone, I attempted to add a user to a group and accidently wiped out their sudo access. The root account seems to be disabled by default on Xubuntu and using the grub recovery option by holding shift isn't working. Any ideas?
[01:25] <rantic> I've tried tapping / holding shift constantly through the boot process, booting a live cd to edit sudoers and still no dice.
[01:26] <KM0201> how do you restore the applications menu to it's default?  Somehow it's gotten all jacked up
[01:29] <rantic> KM0201: I'm not 100% on this but try renaming your ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[01:29] <rantic> it _should_ generate a new one based on the default skeleton
[01:30] <KM0201> ok
[01:30] <KM0201> thanks
[01:31] <KM0201> hmm, i don't have that directory.
[01:32] <rantic> KM0201: Do you have /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[01:34] <KM0201> it was undder ~/.config/menus
[01:34] <KM0201> seems to have done the trick
[01:34] <KM0201> i'm still messing a couple of menus though.
[01:34] <KM0201> weird
[01:36] <rantic> try copying /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu to the file that was in your ~/.config/menus file
[01:38] <KM0201> k, let me see something real quick
[01:38] <KM0201> brb
[01:41] <KM0201> well, its better, but i'm still missing my accessories menu for somereason
[01:42] <KM0201> man, the menu editing tool really sucks.
[01:43] <KM0201> i wonder if i could boot the live CD, and pull the menu off of it?
[08:31] <yell0w> i'm on xubuntu 12.04. I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html but hibernate still does not work from the menu. pm-hibernate works from terminal. any suggestions ?
[08:38] <yell0w> i'm on xubuntu 12.04. I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html but hibernate still does not work from the menu. pm-hibernate works from terminal. any suggestions ?
[08:40] <brainwash> yell0w: open a terminal window and run "xfce4-session-logout --hibernate"
[08:41] <brainwash> if it fails, it should print some error message
[08:42] <yell0w> brainwash: failed to hibernate session, not authorized
[08:45] <brainwash> so, the file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla exists and its content it OK too?
[08:45] <yell0w> yes
[08:46] <brainwash> please pastebin the output of "upower -d" also
[08:48] <yell0w> brainwash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8138871/
[08:50] <brainwash> the 2nd and 3rd rule (login1) are only needed for Ubuntu 13.10 or newer
[08:51] <yell0w> brainwash: i did google the error and found a few things on the forums and so i tried
[08:51] <brainwash> but still, not sure why you are not authorized to hibernate the system
[08:51] <yell0w> yes very weird
[08:51] <yell0w> do you have to be in certain group ?
[08:55] <brainwash> don't think so
[08:57] <brainwash> yell0w: did you relog at least once? policy changes should take effect immediately.. but who knows
[08:58] <yell0w> brainwash: i've had that policy file on there since last 2/3 reboots
[09:02] <brainwash> yell0w: you can trigger hibernate directly via dbus call, simply run "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate"
[09:02] <brainwash> lets see if this prints some error
[09:05] <yell0w> brainwash: Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized
[09:07] <xubuntu848> What skype file shud i use to install skype ? there are diferents files on the skype site.
[09:08] <yell0w> xubuntu848: enable -partner and install from apt ?
[09:08] <brainwash> yell0w: not sure, how to debug this further, sorry :/
[09:08] <yell0w> haha thanks brainwash
[09:09] <brainwash> yell0w: you could consider upgrading to 14.04... but that's an ugly solution
[09:09] <xubuntu848> Yelløv maybe the easy way.. but i am confused peoiples tell my diferents way and sometimes it not working.
[09:09] <xubuntu848> So i can finde it in softwarecenter if i enable -partner ?
[09:10] <yell0w> brainwash: are all the bugs kinked out yet ?
[09:10] <yell0w> xubuntu848: yes, should be
[09:10] <xubuntu848> is that also for lubuntu ? i use both.
[09:10] <yell0w> that's how i installed mine
[09:11] <brainwash> yell0w: not quite yet, do you have any specific bug in mind?
[09:12] <yell0w> brainwash: well i've generally waited a while till all the kinks are worked out before i upgrade :)
[09:13] <yell0w> brainwash: i don't remember specifically but i've always had to work around things after upgrading
[09:13] <yell0w> hahaha
[09:13] <yell0w> not for this then that :)
[09:13] <brainwash> yell0w: these things never change, luckily we got workarounds for almost every bug :P
[09:14] <yell0w> brainwash: haha yes that's the good thing about it
[09:14] <yell0w> i was upgrading every 6 months from dapper
[09:15] <yell0w> then lts from lucid
[09:15] <yell0w> and now i wait a bit for the lts to solidify lol :P
[09:16] <brainwash> the first point release of Xubuntu 14.04 is already available -> 14.04.1
[09:16] <yell0w> yeah i saw that when i login here
[09:17] <yell0w> i think i'm gonna go for it when i have a bit spare time
[09:18] <cfhowlett> yell0w, sudo do-release-upgrade for in-place upgrade or do a torrent to get the 14.04.1 ISO
[09:19] <yell0w> cfhowlett: will do
[09:19] <yell0w> thanks :)
[09:22] <yell0w> well i'm off for now
[09:42] <xubuntu718> ciao a tutti
[09:42] <xubuntu718> ciao
[09:42] <xubuntu718> a
[09:42] <xubuntu718> tutti
[09:43] <xubuntu718> ciao a tuttiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:43] <xubuntu718> nessuno uin ascolto?
[09:43] <xubuntu718> a
[09:43] <Unit193> !it | xubuntu718
[09:43] <xubuntu718> b
[09:43] <xubuntu718> c
[10:18] <keeper_19_86> hi, i hope i don't annoy any of you by asking such a trivial thing, but maybe one of you guys was bothered by the same issue and could help me: I want my desktop symbols to not be that close to the titlebar. Somehow the grit seems to have changed ... does any body know if and where i can define something like a "top-spacing" or "top-distance" for the desktop symbols?
[10:19] <james0r> keeper_19_86, by desktop symbols do you mean the icons for windows that you've opened?
[10:20] <keeper_19_86> no i mean the symbols on the desktop for filesystem, home etc.
[10:21] <james0r> keeper_19_86, and the space between the highest icon and the top panel has increased somehow? is the space as big as an icon, like space is being reserved for an icon but there is nothing there?
[10:24] <keeper_19_86> no the space has decreased somehow (while the distance between the symbols remained the same): http://postimg.org/image/fpwnnqqwt/
[10:25] <keeper_19_86> on the left of the image you see as it was before, and on the right as it looks now ...
[10:27] <james0r> keeper_19_86, looks like for some reason the desktop isn't noticing the panel and offsetting accordingly
[10:28] <james0r> keeper_19_86, what happens if you run 'xfce4-panel -r' ?
[10:30] <keeper_19_86> that did end (crash?) xchat somehow but the symbols are still at the same position ...
[10:30] <james0r> keeper_19_86, probably just xchat's systray icon isn't visible, you'll have to reload xchat to get that back.
[10:30] <james0r> keeper_19_86, try 'sudo killall xfdesktop' it should automatically restart the desktop
[10:31] <keeper_19_86> okay brb
[10:32] <keeper_19_86> wow ...
[10:32] <keeper_19_86> james0r, it worked!!!
[10:32] <james0r> keeper_19_86, most likely the order of the xfdesktop loading initially is the problem
[10:32] <james0r> keeper_19_86, unfortunately I have no idea how you order that but maybe someone can jump in? :)
[10:33] <james0r> keeper_19_86, i take it you've logged out and back in and this behavior persisted right?
[10:33] <keeper_19_86> james0r, would be great. Thank you very for your help :)
[10:33] <james0r> keeper_19_86, yeah you can always add a line to kill the desktop and time it a few seconds after log in. a little sloppy of a workaround but it should work
[10:34] <keeper_19_86> okay great :) - the behaviour is/was like that for a long time now (after a session crashed)
[10:35] <james0r> keeper_19_86, my only guess would be that when that crash happened the session was saved and threw the order out of whack
[10:38] <keeper_19_86> james0r, i'll try a logout/login now :)
[10:42] <keeper_19_86> james0r, seems like i have to write it in a startup script ;-)
[10:46] <james0r> keeper_19_86, any luck?
[10:47] <keeper_19_86> james0r, after login it was the same problem. Now i've added the command (sudo killall xf...) to be executed on startup (i was afraid it would annoy me with the password for sudo - but it didnt) - now it works like charm :) :) :)
[10:48] <keeper_19_86> james0r, session-startup to be exact :)
[10:49] <james0r> keeper_19_86, cool glad that worked. you have permissions for the desktop anyway if sudo didn't work.
[10:50] <keeper_19_86> james0r, again thank you very much. Now i have a system as flawless as never before in 15 years of PC-(Work)-Experience
[10:50] <keeper_19_86> james0r, *happy* ;-)
[10:51] <james0r> keeper_19_86, haha awesome. i don't think that spacing is "minor" at all. that would bug the crap out of me
[10:51] <james0r> i'm having some issues with my theme making the whisker menu icon and window button icons really small. when i get some time i wanna tweak that because that even bugs me heh
[10:52] <keeper_19_86> haha seriously? glad to see that i'm not the only one who gets disturbed by details like that :D
[10:52] <james0r> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16833274/Screenshot%20-%2008252014%20-%2005%3A52%3A31%20PM.png
[10:53] <james0r> you can see there a little bit smaller than the systray icons. depending on the theme i'm using they can end up really small or take up the entire height of the panel almost
[10:54] <james0r> i'll save that one for a very rainy day :)
[10:55] <keeper_19_86> james0r, nice :) - i even talked to the creator of the whisker menu, if he would implement that the keywords are used by the menu search (so that if i type "FTP" i'll get filezilla as a result)
[10:55] <paulo> Can i upgrade my xubuntu 12.04.3 LTS to the new release (14.04) via update manager without problems???
[10:56] <knome> paulo, most upgrades should not have problems, but take backups before you upgrade
[10:57] <paulo> my specific question is: in the update manager it is mentioned Ubuntu...i don want Unity, i want Xubuntu!! Is it possible, updating directly from there?
[11:01] <keeper_19_86> james0r, :D at my last "rainy day session" i changed some of the colorful tray icons to be white, just like the battery or wifi icon ;-)
[11:06] <knome> paulo, the upgrade manager will only upgrade the packages you have, not install new ones (unless they are needed by the packages that you have installed)
[11:09] <paulo> Ok, so, it will upgrade the 14.04 but xfce, wich is the packages i have!! Correct?
[11:09] <knome> paulo, yes.
[11:09] <knome> paulo, xubuntu uses the ubuntu core, which is why "ubuntu" is mentioned.
[11:10] <paulo> one thing more, 12.04 will continue to be supported, it continue with updates?
[11:11] <knome> paulo, until april 2015, yes. there will be more updates on some of the core packages for that, but not the xfce/xubuntu-specific ones
[11:12] <paulo> what do you recommend me? To stay with 12.04 or to upgrade to 14.04? I am new in Linux...
[11:12] <knome> paulo, i would upgrade to 14.04 before april 2015.
[11:13] <paulo> and through the update manager, it is a good way to upgrade?
[11:14] <knome> it's just as good as anything else
[11:14] <knome> but as i said: take backups before you upgrade
[11:14] <knome> it *is* possible that the upgrade fails, and you want to have your important files safe if that happens
[11:16] <paulo> ok, so at last, to xubuntu it wont be more updates in 12.04, correct?
[11:17] <knome> after april 2015, no xfce/xubuntu-specific packages will be updated.
[11:21] <paulo> I have had some problems on boot the system... this can not be related to the failure to date to 14.04, right?
[11:22] <knome> paulo, it's impossible to say, but i doubt
[11:25] <paulo> ok, knome. thnk you very much!
[11:29] <garandil> Is there any way to map the Windows key to have the same behavior as in Windows and bring up the "start menu" ?
[11:30] <knome> garandil, try adding a shortcut to xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu or -whiskermenu
[11:33] <garandil> knome, thanks, whiskermenu was what I was looking for
[11:37] <brainwash> garandil: but this will interfere with other <super> keyboard shortcuts
[11:37] <garandil> brainwash, I aint using any other shortcuts that uses that key
[11:38] <brainwash> should be fine then :)
[11:39] <garandil> And one more thing, are there any repercussions to remove swap? I got 12GB RAM and never touch swap, but it takes up precious diskspace
[11:40] <brainwash> what about hibernating the system? this also requires a swap partition
[11:41] <garandil> Ah, so there are effects
[11:41] <garandil> Didnt think about that
[11:44] <brainwash> you can create a swap file instead, but I'm not sure if hibernate will continue to work or how it allocates the disk space (dynamically?)
[12:00] <garandil> Any good source on how to make deb files from source ?
[12:01] <knome> garandil, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[12:02] <garandil> thanks
[12:02] <koegs> checkinstall is also nice, but not meant for distributing deb-files
[12:50] <mbwe> could somebody tell me where i could find the default package list which comes with the install medium
[12:51] <deshipu> mbwe: it's a little bit complex, basically all the packages on which xubuntu-desktop depends
[12:51] <deshipu> mbwe: and their dependencies in turn
[13:23] <koegs> mbwe: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[13:23] <mbwe> thanks koegs and deshipu
[14:47] <Klubuntu> What is the big differnents between Xubuntu and Lubuntu ? except lubuntu have lower systemrequirements ?
[14:48] <cfhowlett> !flavors | Klubuntu
[14:49] <Klubuntu> How to find out what is best for me ? i like both..
[14:51] <GridCube> Klubuntu, get both isos, boot them up into live sessions and try them
[14:51] <Klubuntu> I have to netbooks.. use both..
[14:51] <GridCube> in this channel we will say xubuntu, in #lubuntu they'll say lubuntu
[14:51] <Klubuntu> works fine.
[14:51] <GridCube> then its just your desicion that matters, again, we here use xubuntu, and most of us rarely have a problem with it
[14:53] <Klubuntu> I use xubunt on the computer with most ram. i think it is ok.
[14:54] <GridCube> :)
[14:54] <cfhowlett> Klubuntu, lubuntu is optimized for low spec / legacy hardware.  xubuntu is not optimized but is also well-regarded
[15:03] <Klubuntu> where can i find my skype folder ? want to delete a skype name.
[15:04] <cfhowlett> Klubuntu, /home/.skype
[15:05] <Klubuntu> It is not working. nothing happens../home/.skype
[15:06] <cfhowlett> Klubuntu, /home/.skype is not a command.  you asked where the file is.  that's where the file is.
[15:06] <Klubuntu> I found.. it was hidden.. thank you.
[15:22] <Klubuntu> If i need to find other softwares is it needed to mark Canonical partners and Canonical partners (source code)both of them ?
[15:22] <baizon> Klubuntu: source code is if you want to compile something or use the source code
[15:23] <baizon> i personally dont have it marked
[17:38] <xubuntu471> .
[18:27] <csenger41> hello
[18:27] <csenger41> anyone could help me how to remove icons from panel Indicator Plugin?
[19:17] <sergio-br2> hey
[19:17] <sergio-br2> i'm having a problem with menulibre
[19:17] <sergio-br2> it is crashing
[19:18] <sergio-br2> the config file of menulibre is where?
[19:20] <sergio-br2> i'm having this problem:
[19:20] <sergio-br2> menulibre
[19:20] <sergio-br2> ** (menulibre:24518): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-eFv18PfmFR: Connection refused
[19:20] <sergio-br2> **
[19:20] <sergio-br2> ERROR:/build/buildd/gnome-menus-3.10.1/./libmenu/gmenu-tree.c:4022:preprocess_layout_info: assertion failed: (!directory->preprocessed)
[19:20] <sergio-br2> Aborted (core dumped)
[19:22] <brainwash> bluesabre: ^
[19:27] <brainwash> sergio-br2: you should file a bug report -> "ubuntu-bug menulibre"
[19:27] <sergio-br2> i deleted the .config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[19:28] <sergio-br2> and now it works
[19:28] <brainwash> might take some time until bluesabre answers, maybe it's a known issue, maybe even already fixed
[19:28] <brainwash> yeah, I remember reading about problems with corrupted menu files
[19:31] <sergio-br2> brainwash, take a look: http://pastebin.com/RfUNE32k
[19:31] <sergio-br2> it has the diff from the 2 config files
[19:32] <brainwash> which version of menulibre?
[19:35] <sergio-br2> 2.0.4-1
[19:37] <brainwash> ok, can you please file a bug report on launchpad and attach all information you've gathered so far?
[19:41] <sergio-br2> ok
[19:43] <brainwash> thanks :)
[19:59] <sergio-br2> brainwash, it seems it already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1310662
[20:28] <msev_> how to have xfce panel transparent while icons+text on panel are visible
[20:29] <knome> msev_, set the alpha to 0.
[20:30] <msev_> I don't have that alpha setting in the panel preferences
[20:30] <msev_> its strange
[20:31] <msev_> I wanna have it like here: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9611/ngvc.png
[20:31] <knome> which xubuntu version are you running
[20:32] <knome> do you have the xfce compositor enabled?
[20:49] <sergio-br2> trying to install midi support to Parole, but it does not find the package.
[20:50] <sergio-br2> which package comes with  audio/x-midi-event decoder?
[23:24] <donc3> HI!!!
[23:24] <donc3> I have a problem with the microphone in my xubuntu 14.04
[23:25] <donc3> I'm want to use the micro of the headset, but it only works  the netbook micro
[23:25] <donc3> could somebody help me??