[00:39] <TaiChiMustDo> Solved NetworkManager question from earlier on crashing upon adding to systemtray with error in ConnectionItem.qml for 'onAccepted'. Works after this edit. https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=120815#p316954
[00:40] <TaiChiMustDo> On Add Widgets panel, "Get New Widgets" is broken. Please direct for fix. Thank you in advance.
[00:41] <rdieter> TaiChiMustDo: loads ok for me, what kde version and distro are you using?
[00:41] <rdieter> heh, silly me, thought this was #kde
[00:42] <rdieter> nvm
[00:42] <TaiChiMustDo> Kubuntu 14.10 KDE 4.14.2
[00:42] <TaiChiMustDo> There is blank popup just above the button when clicked.
[01:06] <TaiChiMustDo> rdieter: It is KDE
[01:37] <shadeslayer> gah
[01:38] <shadeslayer> why are people installing active shite
[05:22] <sitter> Riddell: silly nicknames? :'<
[05:26] <sitter> wgrant: bug sort of kind of... retries are caused by a source.getBuilds()[n].buildstate being 'chroot problem' or 'failed to upload' raising the question why that upload failed to begin with
[05:26] <wgrant> sitter: The binaries don't have a Description field.
[05:27] <sitter> aaahhh
[05:27] <sitter> how very rude to prevent publishing
[05:28] <sitter> wgrant: perhaps it would make sense to not retry on failed to upload at all?
[05:28] <sitter> <- no clue what could cause uploaded failures
[05:28] <wgrant> Spurious upload failures are rare nowadays.
[05:28] <wgrant> I would not automatically retry them.
[05:29] <sitter> ok, I'll kick it out and add a global limit on retries to prevent this sort of thing
[05:29] <wgrant> Thanks.
[07:21] <soee> good morning
[07:22] <valorie> soee: you pinged me yesterday, then left right as I opened up irc
[07:22] <valorie> still need me?
[07:39] <soee> valorie: hey, yes i have a question if you would like to help with next portion of content on  the website im working on but this time its more :)
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:04] <valorie> ok
[08:05] <valorie> did you copy/paste my stuff?
[08:05] <valorie> because I noticed some typos
[08:21] <soee> valorie: i did fix them but yesterday accidently i have removed it from website and just copy paste again raw version
[08:21] <valorie> heh
[08:21] <valorie> such things happen
[08:21] <valorie> you could always put your site in git
[08:23] <soee> valorie: i have code on my gitlab but the content is stored in database and i would have to export site each time i want backup but for now its not needed
[08:24] <valorie> ok
[08:26] <soee> valorie: on the current website we have this: http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute but on my website for each option (development, testing etc.) i need longer texts like ~ 10 lines to put them here http://kubuntu.dev.soee.pl/en/contribute.html
[08:26] <soee> would you be able to modify current texts and extend them with more details/info ?
[08:27] <valorie> sure, but your .pl page is too much text IMO
[08:27] <valorie> somewhere in between?
[08:32] <soee> well i would like to have detailed each topic, and user should be linked to wiki page -only- if he wants more technical info, so here should liek 7-10 lines of solid explanation :)
[08:32] <soee> min 7 - max 10 lines ?
[08:34] <valorie> ok, that's a lot of text though - but I'll do it and we can bulk it up if necessary
[08:35] <valorie> you don't want LoCo
[08:35] <valorie> ?
[08:36] <soee> valorie: what is LoCo ?
[08:36] <valorie> local community
[08:36] <valorie> I assume that there is a Polish LoCo?
[08:37] <valorie> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-pl/
[08:38] <valorie> hmmm, old branding
[08:41] <soee> atm there are 3 important steps: 1 create page template -  my friend is working on it, 2. create page structure - im working on it, 3. default content - en language, and on it various people will work like me, you if you have time to help and others if i find them :)
[08:41] <valorie> cool
[08:41] <soee> than when default content is ready translators will do theyr job
[08:41] <soee> atm. Thiago said he will do brasilian and bukai bengali
[08:41] <valorie> would be good to link to the main loco page though, and have them link to you
[08:41] <soee> ill do polish
[08:42] <valorie> awesome
[08:42] <soee> so we will have atleast 4 langs
[08:42] <soee> valorie: linking ok but when the default content will be ready
[08:42] <valorie> sure
[09:02] <soee> valorie: ping
[09:03] <valorie> still here
[09:04] <valorie> actually working on the text now
[09:05] <soee> valorie: i would like to know your opinion on this : in the future i would liek to have several trusted people taht will handle localization on website, but for now im thinking about using service like this: https://crowdin.com/
[09:05] <soee> so translate content can anybody but put it on teh website some admins only
[09:06] <valorie> there is actually a free software version of that somewhere
[09:06] <soee> valorie: for opensource projects its free i think
[09:06] <valorie> ok
[09:06] <soee> "Unlimited projects, unlimited strings and collaborators If you want to use Crowdin for an Open Source project,"
[09:07] <valorie> by free I meant libre
[09:07] <valorie> but perhaps my memory is wrong
[09:07] <soee> :)
[09:07] <valorie> anyway, I think it's a good idea
[09:08] <valorie> getting translations for websites is difficult and that might make it easier
[10:05] <valorie> soee: transifex is what I was thinking of, I think
[10:06] <valorie> quassel uses them
[10:06] <soee> ye si know it, i did some translation for qupzilla there and owncloud i think
[10:07] <soee> i would liek to use some user friendly service so it would bevery easy to use
[10:07] <valorie> ok
[10:09] <valorie> I have 43 lines in my rough draft
[10:09] <valorie> too much, I think
[10:09] <valorie> tired, must sleep
[10:48] <Riddell> Mirv: qt 5.4 is out, when will packages be available? :)
[11:08] <Mirv> Riddell: :D I keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting updated. with the final packages I start to update symbols, re-enable unit tests in qtbase/qtdeclarative so it might take a while. but when past qtdeclarative, it usually is quite fast to get to usable state.
[11:08] <Mirv> mitya57 fixed a powerpc qtbase failure and I picked that up already
[11:10] <Riddell> Mirv: "it might take a while" means hours or weeks?
[11:11] <Mirv> Riddell: I'd estimate having enough early next week, since I already prepared with beta/rc.
[11:11] <Mirv> so hopefully getting to the state I'm in beta2 silo with RC with the final in that landing ppa by then. or roughly similar. ie rebuild also KDE packages.
[11:12] <Mirv> depends also a bit what else I have to do as usual
[11:13] <Riddell> Mirv: cool thanks, I think I'll recommend that plasma 5.2 (which we want to ship in vivid) uses qt 5.4. how does that work with ubuntu touch?
[11:15] <Mirv> Riddell: we haven't yet have it running so it's a bit early to say. there are build problems too with https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.4
[11:15] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: at your lug event will you have a large projector showing the hangout?
[11:16] <Mirv> so if to land it, that would take till January easily
[11:17] <Riddell> Mirv: that's fine, plasma 5.2 isn't released until january :)
[11:17] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yes we do
[11:17] <Riddell> and we can direct people to the rc packages until then
[11:18] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: how about a shared ec2 server and a windows computer connects to the hangout to show it?
[11:22] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yes, that sounds good
[11:22] <Sick_Rimmit> Tell what we could do..
[11:23] <Sick_Rimmit> Run the Hangout, and have the Shell Window open with a local SSH session to the shared eC2 instance
[11:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Hangon...
[11:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Do you have a Windows instance at your end ?
[11:24] <Sick_Rimmit>  If so then you would be able to share your screen to me, even though I am running Linux
[11:24] <Sick_Rimmit> brb got to reboot
[11:28] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Windows instance at your end ?
[11:29] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: probably, just seeing if it'll still boot up
[11:29] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, We can try a quick hangout if you like see if it'll share to my Kubuntu box
[11:30] <Riddell> 56% windows update complete...
[11:30] <Sick_Rimmit> Or we do more extensive testing on Friday, up to you
[11:31] <Riddell> seems to have booted, let me try and install chromium
[11:32] <Riddell> it's a pretty slow computer
[11:32] <Sick_Rimmit> OK
[11:35] <Riddell> calling
[11:35] <Riddell> looks like rick isn't available
[11:36] <Sick_Rimmit> Hangon
[11:36] <Sick_Rimmit> Just added you to my work circles
[11:36] <Sick_Rimmit> I'll start a Hangout and invite you
[11:37] <Sick_Rimmit> Can you see that Invite
[11:37] <Sick_Rimmit> There are funny issues with the way the work domain is setup
[11:38] <Riddell> nope
[11:38] <Sick_Rimmit> OK 2 secs
[11:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g5klyddhx7o45xojtxzza3egjqa
[11:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Try this
[11:39] <Sick_Rimmit> Or rather try that ^ link
[13:01] <kranzer> Riddell: hello, are you here?
[13:07] <soee> he sprobably lunching :)
[13:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:26] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[13:37] <soee> BluesKaj: after more tests i can say that 343 drivers are more smooth than 346, performance in games is better with this latets beta but its not as smooth as with 343
[13:39] <BluesKaj> soee, right, my 8400GS runs fibe with the 340, the newer drivers aren.t available
[13:39] <BluesKaj> soee, right, my 8400GS runs fibe with the 340, the newer drivers aren.t available
[13:39] <BluesKaj> oops
[13:39] <BluesKaj> err fine
[13:40] <soee> not available for your card ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> soee, or recommended ... aamof the 340 isn't either, so I'm running the proprietary version from the nvidia site
[13:42] <soee> BluesKaj: 343 are nice. try them
[13:43] <BluesKaj> soee, I suppose I could try the newer drivers, but it's my media server so it has to work
[13:43] <soee> ah ok :]
[13:46] <mamarley> BluesKaj: soee: I believe that 340.xx was the last release to support the 8xxx and 9xxx series cards.
[13:47] <soee> mamarley: might be, here at work i have GeForce 9600 GSO 512 and newer didn't work
[13:47] <soee> i was wondering why
[13:53] <BluesKaj> frankly I just need a driver that works with my gpu even if it's the older 304, a working card is important and newewst isn't necessarily best
[14:12] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[14:21] <kranzer> Riddell: could you give me some details about my task?
[14:22] <Riddell> kranzer: oh the calligra icon one?
[14:23] <kranzer> Riddell: yeah
[14:23] <Riddell> kranzer: well get the calligra source and find those files, they are not the right sizes so crop, resize and expand to make them the right size
[14:24] <kranzer> Riddell: thanks
[14:24] <kranzer> Riddell: could you assign it?
[14:25] <Riddell> assigned!
[14:25] <Riddell> kranzer: and I guess we should chat in #calligra for this one
[14:28] <soee> next bugfix relese for plasma 5.1 next week ?
[14:30] <Riddell> yep, I'll tag it tomorrow
[15:14] <Riddell> hi billbo_
[15:15] <Riddell> amazon aws "Current month-to-date balance for December 2014" "$47.64" golly all these students are costing someone quite a lot
[15:40] <Riddell> ubuntu touch is now "Ubuntu for devices"? http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices
[15:41] <mamarley> That's a silly name.  My laptop is a "device"...
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Anyone want to prepare a SRU for bug 1358271
[15:53] <Riddell> meh
[16:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: just throwing tasks out there for anyone who might be interested
[16:02] <shadeslayer> it's simple enough :P
[16:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did pitti send that email out wrt the MRE?
[16:04] <Riddell> nope https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/thread.html
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:54]  * mitya57 just pushed his first change to reviewboard.kde.org
[17:55] <Riddell> mitya57++ :)
[17:56] <Riddell> one of us one of us
[17:56] <mitya58> look what you have done!
[20:22] <shadeslayer> mitya58: haha
[20:22] <shadeslayer> one of us
[21:26] <soee> Riddell: ping


[00:04] <paultag> jrgifford: that's right
[00:08] <PCLine_> Hello
[00:08] <PCLine_> everyone
[01:15] <Unit193> Howdy.
[13:07] <jrgifford> paultag: how well does that work?
[13:08] <paultag> jrgifford: I just deployed 3 times :)
[13:08] <paultag> this morning
[13:08] <paultag> jrgifford: I'm liking it. I turn out to be using it the right way, which means everything is happy :)
[13:08] <paultag> the stock ansible stuff with docker is fucked beyond belief
[13:09] <paultag> but yeah
[13:09] <paultag> great if you use it right
[13:10] <paultag> systemd supervising docker containers turns out to be great
[14:39] <dzho> so, is docker self-hosting yet?
[14:39] <dzho> because I think we need more layers to program
[15:29] <thafreak> dzho: i saw a talk at case given by a google employee
[15:29] <thafreak> google i guess puts containers in containers in containers on vms in containers
[15:29] <thafreak> so...yeah
[18:27] <skellat> Well, at least we've got water back at home after the water main was broken earlier today.


[09:43] <ochosi> xnox: hey, might i bug you again about that ubiquity black background issue in xubuntu?
[09:55] <xnox> ochosi: yes you may =)
[09:56] <ochosi> xnox: i know it's maybe too late for 14.10 now, but i'm still stomped on how there are no obvious changes in the way ubiquity is handling the backgrounds and the xubuntu one not showing up
[09:59] <ochosi> xnox: lemme know if there's anything we can do to help/test
[12:12] <desrt> Laney: awake yet? :)
[12:25]  * desrt sees a seb
[12:26] <seb128> desrt, hey
[12:27] <larsu> desrt: yes, sitting next to me
[12:27] <larsu> laptop not open
[12:27] <larsu> fundling with adaptors
[12:28] <larsu> now he's constructing his workplace
[12:28] <larsu> desrt: he's asking what he wants
[12:28] <larsu> *you
[12:28] <larsu> *want
[12:28] <larsu> also, he likes English grammar
[12:33] <desrt> larsu: :)
[12:33] <desrt> seb128: hi!!
[12:33] <desrt> you guys are not in the room!
[12:33] <seb128> desrt, howdy
[12:33] <seb128> what room?
[12:33] <desrt> THE room
[12:33] <desrt> you know... the one outside of the other room
[12:34] <desrt> maybe you'd actually call that a hallway....
[12:34] <seb128> the one with windows?
[12:34] <seb128> we work on linux here...
[12:34] <desrt> there are no windows in this room
[12:34] <desrt> but there is a hint of something that looks like natural light at the end of the hall
[12:34] <desrt> so maybe that's bad
[12:34] <desrt> on the other hand, the seating is very very comfortable
[12:40] <seb128> Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=6d7f5d443187760798fbb8dc5a50b77ce256c53e
[12:41] <Laney> WHAT
[12:46] <ogra_> lovely ... lol
[13:22] <xnox> sounds like a lot of fail.
[13:54] <seb128> Laney, that doesn't look like a bug in the "use traditional menus or not" codepath as I though it might be :/
[13:54] <seb128> both cases work under Unity
[13:54] <seb128> like I changed the return value of ev_application_has_traditional_menus()
[13:54] <larsu> seb128: want me to have a look?
[13:55] <seb128> larsu, if you want, please
[13:55] <seb128> I first though I did something stupid
[13:55] <larsu> seb128: sure, I'll do that right after the gtk update
[13:55] <seb128> like not attaching the menu in the fallback case
[13:55] <seb128> thanks
[13:55] <seb128> but doesn't seem to be it
[13:55] <larsu> ok
[14:02] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/aisleriot_3.12.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb http://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/gnome-cards-data_3.12.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[14:02] <Laney> larsu: please to test
[15:30] <seb128> larsu, k, uitk staging Icon{} works as expected
[15:31] <larsu> seb128: cool!!
[15:31] <seb128> larsu, if you only set an height you get those though
[15:31] <seb128> seb128@seb-e6410:~/boulot/qml$ qmlscene ~/boulot/qml/label.qml
[15:31] <seb128> file:///home/seb128/boulot/qml/label.qml:9:5: QML Icon10: Binding loop detected for property "implicitWidth"
[15:31] <seb128> only setting a width works though
[15:31] <larsu> seb128: let's talk to greyback bout this
[15:31] <seb128> well the height works too
[15:31] <larsu> *about
[15:31] <larsu> thanks for testint!
[15:31] <seb128> it throws that warning
[15:32] <larsu> *testing
[15:32] <seb128> yw!
[15:32]  * larsu hates his keyboard
[15:41] <desrt> attente_: hey.  around today?
[15:43] <attente_> desrt: hey
[15:43] <desrt> attente_: we're missing you here at the sprint
[15:44] <desrt> i even needed to give larsu a hug last night to make him feel better
[15:44] <larsu> hi attente_!
[15:44] <attente_> lol
[15:44] <attente_> hi larsu
[15:44] <larsu> how are you?
[15:44] <attente_> i'm good! how's the sprint?
[15:45] <desrt> ubawesome
[15:45] <larsu> pretty good
[15:45] <desrt> Very Vivid.
[15:45] <larsu> I'm in a weird session right now though
[15:45] <larsu> desrt: viciously so
[15:46] <desrt> nice thing about english: pretty much every meaning that you could want to convey has about 20 words for doing so
[15:46] <desrt> one of them is probably going to start with the letter you want :)
[15:48] <desrt> attente_: i was wondering if you were up for some macos stuff :)
[15:48] <desrt> attente_: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735122
[15:48] <desrt> attente_: apply these patches, except for the first one
[15:49] <desrt> then remove all mention of visibility handling from the quartz menu code
[15:49] <desrt> and it should 'just work'
[15:49] <desrt> i'd do it myself but i can't really test it....
[15:49] <larsu> attente_: your x-canonical-accel patch doesn't apply anymore
[15:49] <larsu> like, at all...
[15:49] <desrt> attente: alternatively i could write the patch and you can test it for me...
[15:50] <attente_> desrt: oh, ok. i'll look into it
[15:50] <desrt> attente_: thanks :)
[15:50] <attente_> larsu: i'll look into that as well ;)
[15:50] <desrt> should be pretty much a delete-only patch
[15:51] <larsu> attente_: I'm fixing it, don't worry about that :)
[15:51] <larsu> attente_: I just like to complain, you know....
[15:52] <attente_> lol
[15:52] <attente_> larsu: ok, thanks :)
[19:21] <larsu> desrt: mir backend doesn't build on 3.14
[19:22] <larsu> desrt: do you have a branch for this somewhere? Don't want to edit the patch directly
[19:34] <desrt> larsu: i didn't build things in a little while due to trouble getting mir itself to jhbuild
[19:34] <desrt> i'll take a look at that now and file some more bugs
[19:35] <desrt> i was trying to get mir 0.8.0 in, but i blocked on that
[19:35] <desrt> so i'll go back to 0.4 so that i can get gtk sorted at least
[19:35] <larsu> cool, thanks
[19:36] <desrt> mvo made me lie to someone just now
[19:36] <desrt> i feel bad :(
[19:37] <larsu> oh, why?
[19:37] <larsu> mvo: ts ts ts
[19:37] <mvo> yeah, we shouldn't do this again
[19:38]  * mvo feels guilty too
[19:41] <larsu> so, we're getting header bars
[19:41] <desrt> good.
[19:41] <Laney> this. changes. EVERYTHING.
[19:41] <larsu> I like this session
[19:41] <willcooke> \o/
[19:43] <TheMuso> How keyboard interractable are they?
[19:44] <larsu> TheMuso: should be the same as toolbars
[19:45] <larsu> but we're seeing a couple of bugs right now
[19:45] <larsu> (just did some quick tests with devhelp and evince)
[19:45] <TheMuso> Well one generally doesn't have a need to access toolbars, because either direct keyboard shortcuts or menus fill that role.
[19:45] <TheMuso> At least from a keyboard user's POV.
[19:46] <larsu> menus seem to be going away
[19:47] <larsu> we'll probably continue patching them in for gnome apps, but designers in this session are sying that they _might_ not have them for new apps
[19:47] <TheMuso> This displeases me. *sigh* oh well.
[19:47] <Laney> No I don't think so
[19:47] <Laney> I think they said they would keep them
[20:39] <Laney> hmm
[20:40] <Laney> didn't we get a new default wallpaper this time?
[20:42]  * Laney misses xnox
[20:44] <Laney> pitti: got an adt failure email, woot
[20:44] <Laney> (transient failure, unwoot, but never mind)
[20:44] <Laney> oh, you already retried, man
[21:30] <hikiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages bschaefer
[21:30] <bschaefer> hikiko, thanks!
[21:33] <desrt> pitti: okay.  reverted that addition to the xml.
[22:34] <xnox> Laney: i've asked mpt about it at branch on saturday, he says he is not aware of any.
[22:35] <xnox> Laney: so, i don't think so. The best bet is to ask for t-shirt logo + background. #web-team or some such should have something, as they should have website ready.
[22:35] <xnox> Laney: also months ago download pages should have been reviewed with web-team, otherwise things are changed/relayout and wording changes and nobody can find anything anywhere.
[22:36] <xnox> (e.g. full sets of images that we are releasesing this time around, etc.)