[00:11] <meduser> anybody here familiar with K3B or devede
[00:16] <GH0> Anyone here be able to help me on this issue: http://forum.subsonic.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9069
[00:28] <jmichaelx> GH0: have you created a self-signed cert?
[00:34] <GH0> jmichaelx, no, I didn't have to do that when I was using it in Windows.
[00:37] <jmichaelx> GH0: i am no expert, but i think you need a self-signed SSL cert. i am not sure what the difference is between how linux and windows handles all of this, and i could be wrong. i assume that subsonic uses apache.... i use subsonic myself, but have never checked into that to be sure
[00:37] <GH0> No, actually, I think you are right, I do remember doing something like that.
[00:37] <GH0> However, I don't know how to do this in ubuntu.
[00:37] <GH0> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html
[00:37] <GH0> Can I file that?
[00:37] <GH0> file = follow
[00:54] <Chopsie> Hello
[01:33] <dahlia> so this little toast thingie pops up and says 11 security updates are available but I cant find any way to apply the updates
[01:34] <dahlia> I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but I guess that wasnt enough to do it
[01:34] <dahlia> is there some program I can click on that will install the updates?
[01:38] <Sentynel> dahlia: you probably need dist-upgrade rather than just upgrade
[01:38] <Sentynel> you should be able to click the cog icon thingy to get the graphical updater, but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade from the console will do it
[01:39] <dahlia> kk I'll try dist-upgrade. I clicked the toast that popped up but it didnt do anything
[01:39] <dahlia> ty :)
[01:39] <GH0> I am having some issues with VNC recognizing my xstartup file, and actually commiting to it. Every time I go to launch a new vncserver it continues to use gnome instead of kde.
[01:39] <GH0> How can I fix this?
[01:40] <GH0> http://pastebin.com/yQBaeHbU
[01:40] <GH0> That is my current xstartup file.
[01:41] <dahlia> hmmm I kinda remember a .vncstartup file but its been a while since I did that
[01:41] <GH0> http://pastebin.com/M6yA1N9V
[01:41] <GH0> Sorry, didn't realized pastebin changed their setup a bit.
[01:43] <GH0> Well, that is located in ~/.vnc/
[01:43] <GH0> The file never existed to begin with after I installed vnc.
[01:45] <meduser> anybody here know how to burn dvd using k3b?
[02:06] <jcook_5xdata> meduser: is it a iso or files
 I have it in iso, and I ran devede and have it in files, but and in avi format. I don't know what the audio and video
[02:39] <meduser> files are supposed to have. It has 14 files in video, and none in audio. I ran K3B, it says successful, but when put into Sony, It says dvd-r, can't play. I have used the dvd player for burnt dvd's before, I so I know wthat it can play them
[03:44] <jazzy_> anyone know of a good stylus app?
[03:44] <jazzy_> cant seem to get mine to work
[03:48] <almoxarife> stylus?
[05:33] <Rasperin> Hey guys, I recently installed amd64 kubuntu 11.10, to get into it I had to do a failsafe run, then I downloaded and installed the cataylist drivers, rebooted. Everything seemed to work at this point, until I used cataylist to configure my 4 monitor display system. After that reboot, kubu just hung during the boot process
[05:33] <Rasperin> is there any reason why this might have happened that I could track down? I really want to get this working...
[05:56] <Rasperin> reiserfs or ext4?
[07:00] <`Korvin> hey, is there any way to change the color of the active window glow?
[11:19] <maitrey> Hi to everyone. I have some problem with playing the youtube videos and videos in general (10.04). I guess it must be some issue with the adobe flasplayer, but its installed and seems to run fine. Is there someone to help me? thanks
[11:20] <maitrey> after starting youtube, imdb or anything like that it's loading just blank screen or black screen.
[11:21] <bsidb> the flashplayer in the source may be old
[11:21] <bsidb> the newest flash player is 11.0 beta
[11:22] <bsidb> maitrey: try to update your flashplayer
[11:22] <bsidb> maitrey:10.04's flashplayer may be out of date.
[11:24] <maitrey> bsidb: i have the adobe flash player plugin ver. 11
[11:24] <maitrey> installed
[11:26] <maitrey> bsidb: is there not any way apart from the adobe web page - where can i check for the mistake (terminal?)
[12:37] <viKtor_> hi! does anyone know how to start an app with a .sh script?
[12:42] <Peace-> viKtor_: easy
[12:43] <Peace-> viKtor_: echo '!/bin/bash' >/tmp/test ; echo konsole >>/tmp/test ; chmod +x /tmp/test ; ./tmp/test
[12:48] <sharpspear> whats the command for see what maps there is in a specific folders?
[12:49] <sharpspear> for some reason "cd /Home/Documents/ doesnt work" says there aint no such file or directory
[12:49] <viKtor_> Peace-: i can't
[12:49] <viKtor_> the one i want to start is this
[12:49] <viKtor_> Peace-: http://pastebin.com/TrtQvNgm
[12:52] <Peace-> viKtor_: so you need to save that file
[12:53] <Peace-> then right click on the file
[12:53] <viKtor_> it is already saved
[12:53] <Peace-> set permission like executalbe
[12:53] <viKtor_> and i marked it as a executable
[12:53] <viKtor_> hehe
[12:53] <Peace-> then ./mystuff
[12:53] <viKtor_> ./OmegaT (this is its name)
[12:53] <viKtor_> but i always get: permission denied
[12:53] <Peace-> chmod +x /path/file
[12:54] <viKtor_> still the same
[12:55] <Peace-> viKtor_: you have java right?
[12:56] <viKtor_> yeah but actually the app has its own java in it
[12:56] <Peace-> viKtor_: change the script in this line
[12:56] <Peace-> #!/bin/bash
[12:56] <Peace-> to
[12:56] <Peace-> #!/bin/bash -x
[12:56] <Peace-> and try to execute it
[13:00] <viKtor_> Peace-: the same :S
[13:00] <Peace-> viKtor_: post what it says
[13:00] <Peace-> viKtor_: all
[13:01] <Peace-> !paste
[13:05] <viKtor_> Peace-: it just says permission denied
[13:11] <shashik> hello can anyone help me, i once opened ktimetracker and closed it, but it allways open at startup everytime, how can i close it permanently , i.e, to remove it from startup
[13:12] <DoctorPepper>  is it normal that nepomuk file indexing  stops completely after finishing indexing  and  going idle for few minutes (/)? the processes disappear form my process list  /usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukbackupsync' , '/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukqueryservice' ,'/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukfileindexer','/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukfilewatch'
[13:38] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[14:04] <JuJuBee> I have some videos I took with a helmet cam (GoPro Hero2) and they are mp4.  What is a good program to convert them for facebook?
[14:04] <bazhang> JuJuBee, what does facebook require
[14:04] <JuJuBee> Not sure really.  I don't use it much at all.
[14:05] <bazhang> handbrake possibly
[14:05] <bazhang> no clue what facebook needs though
[14:05] <meduser> good morning. BlueKaj are you available?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> meduser,  hi
[14:06] <bazhang> JuJuBee, no need to crosspost in #ubuntu
[14:06] <JuJuBee> bazhang: why not?  Sometimes I get answers in one channel and not in another...
[14:07] <bazhang> JuJuBee, conflicting answers, same helpers for the most part, poor irc netiquette
[14:07] <meduser> hi BlueKaj, yesterday we were going over my dvd issues. I had an emergency come up, and I left unexpectedly.
[14:08] <bazhang> I was already helping you here..
[14:08] <meduser> I have medibuntu installed I believe and the restricted stuff from Kubuntu
[14:09] <bazhang> meduser, libdvdcss2 deb from medibuntu.org ?
[14:09] <JuJuBee> bazhang: OK
[14:09] <meduser> how do I check that? I am sure I installed medibuntu
[14:10] <bazhang> meduser, no need to enable the repo even, just download the package
[14:11] <meduser> when I type locate libdvdcss2, I get locate libdvdcss2
[14:11] <meduser> /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2
[14:11] <meduser> /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/NEWS.gz
[14:11] <meduser> /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/README
[14:11] <meduser> /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/changelog.Debian.gz
[14:11] <FloodBotK1> meduser: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:11] <meduser> /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2/changelog.gz
[14:12] <meduser> oops, sorry
[14:12] <bazhang> meduser, should just be a .deb
[14:12] <bazhang> meduser, you can then double click it to install
[14:14] <meduser> installing now Blue, done
[14:18] <yo> hi, how can i create a new directory using the command line??
[14:19] <bazhang> yo, of course, whats the purpose
[14:19] <rork> yo: mkdir <dirname>
[14:20] <yo> ok thanks a lot :)
[14:26] <yo> and, how can I change a name by the command line ??
[14:26] <bazhang> yo name of what
[14:26] <yo> the name of a file
[14:26] <bazhang> which file?
[14:27] <yo> a python script
[14:28] <rork> yo: mv <oldname> <newname>
[14:28] <meduser> ok, so now what am I to do? If I use devede to convert avi, what am I supposed to be converting to?
[14:29] <yo> thanks again, rork
[14:33] <meduser> blue? baz?
[14:33] <bazhang> meduser, hi
[14:34] <meduser> hi..any chance of helping me get this thing going?
[14:34] <meduser> I am new to Kubuntu, never on a linux system before 5 weeks ago. I am trying to make a dvd watchable on my home dvd player
[14:35] <meduser> The Sony 2360 plays burnt discs, but when I make an ISO in devede, and burn with K3B, I get the Sony finding it as a dvd-r, and will not play it.
[14:36] <meduser> I have managed to get the title screen to play, but that is only 37 seconds long..
[14:36] <bazhang> meduser, okay. to get people's attention it's good to append their nickname to your message, you use the tab key to complete like baz<tab>
[14:37] <meduser> bazhang: ok..I have never been on IRQ before yesterday either..lol
[14:37] <bazhang> many of us are in different channels and may miss the reply otherwise
[14:37] <meduser> bazhang: I don't know IRC ettiquette, sorry.
[14:37] <bazhang> sony 2360 is an external dvd player?
[14:38] <bazhang> meduser, not really etiquette, just a way to attract people's attention to your reply
[14:38] <meduser> bazhang: the sony is a BluRay player, 2 years old, external, hooked up to my tv
[14:39] <bazhang> devede seems to be the tool for that
[14:40] <meduser> bazhang: I have devede, when I ran it, I tried to make an ISO from the AVI file, and it made one, but it won't play.
[14:41] <bazhang> meduser, how did you burn the iso to dvd? as data? or image
[14:43] <meduser> bazhang: I believe I burnt it as an image, using K3B. If I put that DVD into my pc, it  gives me 2 folders, an audio_TS folder, and a video_TS folder
[14:43] <bazhang> I recall k3b not being terribly intuitive on burning images to dvd
[14:44] <meduser> bazhang: the audio_ts folder is empty, the video_ts  is 2.4 GiB, and has 13 files
[14:44] <meduser> bazhang: I am sure I am just not setting things up right
[14:46] <BluesKaj> meduser,  I haveny burned any video dvds in a while , did you try burning the TS_folders just as they are...i recall being able to play them on my dvd player
[14:47] <meduser> bazhang: I tried making the files in Devede to play on external dvd player, burnt them, and same thing. The avi does play fine in VLC
[14:47] <BluesKaj> meduser,  they show up as folders on your tv screen and you just choose the video TS
[14:48] <BluesKaj> meduser,  with K3B
[14:48] <bazhang> meduser, I had issues with k3b finding on how to burn images, not sufficiently apparent for my liking
[14:49] <meduser> bazhang: I just can't stop shaking my head..it shouldn't be all that complicated..lol
[14:50] <meduser> BluesKaj: no, I have not been able to get them to show up as folders on the DVD player
[14:50] <bazhang> meduser, agree on that. I just dont use k3b as a result
[14:50] <meduser> bazhang: what would your recomendation be?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> meduser,  have you tried burning the dvd as is with no conversion thru devede ?
[14:53] <meduser> BluesKaj: you mean staright from the avi?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:55] <meduser> BluesKaj: I don't rememeber. I have like 8 discs here that are good for placemats right now. And frustration beyond what I am used too. lol
[14:56] <BluesKaj> meduser,  that why i use cdrws
[14:56] <BluesKaj> dvdrews
[14:56] <BluesKaj> dvdrws
[14:57] <meduser> BluesKaj: I know, but when I bought the dual layer blanks, I thought it would be easy to do, and I would not be making garbage..lol
[14:57] <BluesKaj> I've had 20dvdrws that ive been using for 3 yrs now ...haven't had to buy any ...a couple have reached thir EOL cycle but one can usually gey about 20 burns minimum from each disc
[14:59] <BluesKaj> meduser,  my theory is that most dvdplayers these days recognize all the codecs that are out there and will play them
[14:59] <meduser> BluesKaj: so should I try burning the avi straight to disc? I am just surprised that there is not much for how to's in plain english for the newbie like me
[15:00] <meduser> BluesKaj: My unit was top of the line 2 years ago.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> meduser,  well wait , let me do some looking around first
[15:00] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok..
[15:07] <BluesKaj> meduser,  it used to be a requirement for dvd players to recognize the "dvd format" , but I'm not sure if that's the case any longer...a lot of the forums have outdated info  on them..most dvd players even have usb/smartcard etc ports that will play media files directly , so why not some avi folders on a disc ?
[15:09] <meduser> BluesKaj: mine has a usb port, and can hook up to a network....when I put in a disc made using Nero on a windows based system, it just plays it like a regular dvd
[15:09] <BluesKaj> meduser,  i don't use a dvd player as such anymore ...this pc is directly connected to my HT (TV and audio system)
[15:10] <meduser> BluesKaj: I have thought about putting the movie onto a usb stick, and going from there, but I doubted the dvd player would play a file like that
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Nero does the dvd format conversion if you choose dvd-movie mode if I recall
[15:11] <BluesKaj> meduser,  it won't hurt anything to try
[15:11] <meduser> BluesKaj: I have even tried nero for linux, but I would start it, and it would crash right away
[15:12] <BluesKaj> copy the avi file to a USB stick , and try it on your dvd player
[15:13] <meduser> ok..just a sec..copying now
[15:29] <meduser> BluesKaj: nope..no way to run it from the usb stick..used for updating or photos
[15:31] <GH0> When running samba, after a fresh reboot (updated all the programs since fresh install), I am able to access my home directory, but am unable to access other shares (music in paticular). However, once I navigate to the shares on the Kubuntu, I am then able to access them on the samba share. Is this because the drive is formatted in NTFS? Would this be resolved if I were to format and use Ext4?
[15:31] <Voyack> Hello all :)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ok meduser , it's good to know ...does your dvd player have Divx/Xvid logo ?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> GHO , I'm not clear on the "other shares" , are they on a windows pc ?
[15:41] <meduser> BluesKaj: DVD Playback: Yes
[15:41] <meduser> DVD+R Read Compatibility: Yes
[15:41] <meduser> DVD+RW Read Compatibility: Yes
[15:41] <meduser> DVD-R Read Compatibility: Yes (8cm)
[15:41] <meduser> DVD-RW Read Compatibility: Yes (8cm)
[15:41] <meduser> JPEG Playback: Yes (BD-R/REDVD+RW/+R/-RW/-R/CD-R,RW)
[15:41] <FloodBotK1> meduser: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:41] <meduser> no div-x
[15:41] <meduser> BluesKaj: no Div-x
[15:43] <BluesKaj> GH0,  if the shares are on an ntfs partition , as long as the share permissions include you as a user , then they should be accessible
[15:45] <BluesKaj> GH0,  and you shouldn't need samba to access shares on a ntfs partition , the partition should appear in Dolphin "places"
[15:47] <BluesKaj> med
[15:47] <meduser> BluesKaj: yes?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> oops meduser , K9copy kept crashing yesterday ...have you tried it since installing libdvdcss2 ?
[15:49] <meduser> BluesKaj: no I haven't
[15:50] <meduser> BluesKaj: it installed 2 options, k9 copy, and 9copy assistant
[15:52] <Voyack> Hey people
[15:52] <Voyack> could You help me a bit?
[15:53] <meduser> BluesKaj: So I open k9 copy..input: folder..direct to the folder holding avi, then when I hit open, I getExecutable: k9copy PID: 3806 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[15:53] <Voyack> i have problems with my KDE. Half of effect's aren't working at all
[15:54] <Voyack> even when i enable them, reload the window menager and so.
[15:54] <Voyack> when i switch to compiz, it's even worse.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> meduser,  have you updated/upgraded lately , I have to ask
[15:54] <Voyack> all i want to do, is to have nice, neat effects as i saw on YT
[15:55] <meduser> BluesKaj: this am..first thing I do when I get on the pc
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  look in kmenu search type,  drivers
[15:55] <Voyack> BluesKaj - could you walk me through this step by step? Im kinda grasshopper.
[15:55] <Voyack> i was using ubuntu 2 years ago or so, and they change sooooo fast
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  check the additional drivers , if they are listed . choose the recommended on
[15:56] <BluesKaj> one
[15:56] <meduser> BluesKaj: did a search..sudo apt-get libdvdnav-dev libdvdread-dev, I am installing that now
[15:56] <Voyack> well, after installation i installed all the additional drivers that system recomended me.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> meduser,  have you rebooted laately ?
[15:57] <meduser> no..not since yesterday morning
[15:58] <meduser> BluesKaj: going to reboot now..brb
[15:58] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  then I'll ask you as well, have you updated/upgraed lately
[15:58] <Voyack> yes, two hours ago or so.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  so you've checked system settings>desktop effects ?
[15:59] <Voyack> yes. I was enabling and disabling them, and some of them are working on KDE, some of them are working on Compiz.
[16:00] <Voyack> when i choose compiz, i can't move windows, they seem to be fixed somehow. On KDE, i can't use cube.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  well , compiz and desktop effects running simultaneously is a bit of overkill and probly pretty gpu intensive IMO
[16:01] <meduser> BluesKaj: back..
[16:02] <meduser> BluesKaj: same error with k9copy
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  most ppl settle for desktop effects only , no compiz required for most effects
[16:02] <Voyack> BluesKaj - so what i should actually do?
[16:03] <Voyack> to have all that window - folding effects, 3d cube and stuff?
[16:03] <Voyack> when i had ubuntu 8 or simmilar, it was very easy, but now it's tricky as hell
[16:04] <meduser> BluesKaj: updateing/ upgrading
[16:05] <Peace-> Voyack: just enable theme http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/26/plasma-desktopCt1727.png
[16:05] <Peace-> them
[16:06] <Voyack> Peace - are You from Poland?
[16:06] <Peace-> Voyack: systemsettings =>desltpè effects
[16:06] <Peace-> Voyack: of course no
[16:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know the trouble ticket number for the apt hash issue?
[16:07] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: ?
[16:07] <meduser> BluesKaj: any I am back to: Executable: k9copy PID: 2961 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[16:07] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, failed to update hash sum mismatch? that one?
[16:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> not sure bazhang
[16:08] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, then which hash apt issue are you referring to
[16:08] <BluesKaj> meduser,  I'm really ata loss , whyn k9copy crashes is beyond my scope
[16:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> Peace-: bazhang: If you use aptitude, kpackagemanager, muion, apt-get, they end up with dual packages and dependancies that can never be met
[16:08] <meduser> BluesKaj: I know, this makes no sense
[16:09] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, got an error message to pastebin there?
[16:09] <GH0> Sorry, BluesKaj had to leave for a second. The drives are all placed on the Kubuntu server. I am trying to access the shares from a windows machine. So before I navigate to the folder on the Kubuntu machine, it is inaccessible over samba with the following error message: "Windows cannot access \\server\music". While other the other samba share (IE my home folder), is accessible even if I don't
[16:09] <GH0> login. Once I login as the user, and navigate to the drive using dolphin, I am then able to access the share over samba perfectly fine.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install --reinstall k9copy , meduser
[16:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> no, as im trying very hard to /not/ get back in to that issue
[16:10] <meduser> BluesKaj: k..just a sec
[16:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> i reinstalled months ago to fix it and been waiting for a fix
[16:10] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, minus an actual error message there not a real way to troubleshoot
[16:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> the only error that happens is 'normal' dependancies
[16:10] <Voyack> Peace - ok, i have most of my effects. But i still can't find one - grabbing corner of window, and kinda "folding it"
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Whiskey`Wonka,  muon is buggy , you need to do the latest updates to get the fix for it
[16:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: ok, the error is you install a app and it decides to uninstall 80 packages, then decides to install them etc
[16:11] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, never heard of that.
[16:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> BluesKaj: and how to DO that with out apt going buggy and doing the dual packags in the list and screwing you with dependancies
[16:12] <Whiskey`Wonka> someone else here did, said it was a hash bug in the package lists
[16:12] <BluesKaj> Voyack,  dual packages , are you running 2 sources.lists ?
[16:12] <bazhang> no, the one about removing then installing 80 packages by itself
[16:12] <BluesKaj> one for a different kubuntu version ?
[16:12] <Voyack> BluesKaj - i kinda don't understand, sorry :)
[16:13] <meduser> BluesKaj: Executable: k9copy PID: 3556 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[16:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> thats what the dual packages being displayed /cause to happen/
[16:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> and no its a stock sources list
[16:13] <BluesKaj> sorry wrong guy Voyack
[16:13] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, with the hash sum mismatch, no it's not
[16:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: ok well thats what i was told here
[16:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> so, what DOES cause the dual packages
[16:14] <bazhang> that's simply the apt-get update. nothing to do with removing or installing packages
[16:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> dual isnt the right word, double listed
[16:14] <BluesKaj> stiock as in no ppas , or other OS version debs , Whiskey`Wonka?
[16:14] <meduser> BluesKaj: so k9 does not seem like an option for me
[16:15] <BluesKaj> meduser,  guess not ...I really don't get it ...you must ahve a broken dependy somewhere , try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://pastebin.com/2s4FiU2M
[16:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> BluesKaj: my sources currently
[16:16] <meduser> BluesKaj: tried that, and it just dropped down a line
[16:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> meduser: whats the issue?
[16:17] <meduser> Whiskey`Wonka: trying to make a dvd from an AVI, not working for me. Tried k3b, the dvd player sees the dvdr, won;t play it,
[16:17] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, and a pastebin of sudo apt-get update please
[16:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: im scared to do that. the last time i did the package system was nuked into that double package listing dependancy hell
[16:18] <meduser> Whiskey`Wonka: it does play other burnt disks...I have tried iso made by DEVEDE, same issue, trying K9copy, get segmentation crash right away
[16:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> try vlc?
[16:19] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, to pastebin an error message?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> ok meduser try k9copy again
[16:19] <meduser> Whiskey`Wonka: it will play in vlc, just not on my tv
[16:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: to DO a apt-get update
[16:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: ive been reporting this for months and no one gets it
[16:19] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, it will give an error message if something is wrong. pastebin lets us diagnose it
[16:20] <meduser> BluesKaj: Executable: k9copy PID: 3596 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[16:20] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, I am trying to help you now
[16:20] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: you dont get it, there is NO ERROR untill the package system is nuked
[16:20] <Whiskey`Wonka> THEN the error isnt that something doesnt work
[16:20] <Whiskey`Wonka> its that apt lists packages TWICE and then runs in a dependency loop
[16:20] <bazhang> and is fixable
[16:20] <Whiskey`Wonka> package a wants b, wants c wants d but d can not have a
[16:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> i spent 2 weeks here with the dependency loop and no one could, they said reisntall
[16:21] <BluesKaj> meduser which kde version ?
[16:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> the packe lists were never less then 80 long, and quickly hit 400+ (IE everything in the system)
[16:22] <meduser> BluesKaj: I have a clean install of Kubuntu 11.10. Installed on thursday. I just tried k9copy on the iso file I had made with deveded, and no crash from K9copy..
[16:23] <meduser>  mb
[16:24] <BluesKaj> meduser,  I thought k9copy was crashing at launch
[16:24] <meduser> BluesKaj: looking at a folder that says Titleset 2, with a subdirectory of title2 (
[16:25] <meduser> BluesKaj: I could open k9copy.I can direct towards the folders, when I clicked on open folder, it would crash
[16:31] <L3top> weird question... how would I determine if the distro I am screwing with is now kubuntu? What, for instance, will distinguish it from ubuntu other than the desktop?
[16:32] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok..I am burning the iso through k9copy...fingers crossed
[16:33] <BluesKaj> kubuntu and ubuntu are the same under the skin , desktops and apps are different , L3top
[16:33] <L3top> gentoo then
[16:33] <bazhang> ask in #gentoo
[16:33] <BluesKaj> L3top,  what is it you want to know exactly L3top ?
[16:34] <meduser> BluesKaj: seems stuck at 00:00:03
[16:35] <meduser> BluesKaj: says burning finished..going to try it
[16:35] <BluesKaj> meduser, how long did it take ?
[16:35] <meduser> BluesKaj: about 2 minutes tops
[16:36] <BluesKaj> not good
[16:36] <L3top> I built an LFS distro, and after installing apt pretty much turned it into ubuntu. After loading a large kubuntu project it was effectively turned it into kubuntu.
[16:36] <meduser> BluesKaj: another 37 second video of the start screen....said the iso was 125 minutes long..
[16:36] <L3top> another person has loaded the project onto gentoo, and I am asking what DEFINES the distro?
[16:38] <meduser> BluesKaj: going to try again..
[16:38] <BluesKaj> L3top,  we should be asking you that ...looks like a troll question to me
[16:39] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu | L3top
[16:40] <L3top> It is not a troll question. I work on linuxmce.org. Someone has successfully ported it to gentoo. I am curious if it is really gentoo anymore.
[16:40] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok..I am now trying to go back to the original avi file..I try to open the folder it is in, and I am back to having k9 crash
[16:41] <BluesKaj> L3top,  then join #gentoo and ask them
[16:41] <mrrothhcloud_> hi
[16:42] <BluesKaj> meduser,  do you have any other avi files to try ?
[16:42] <mrrothhcloud_> would this http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354891 wifi usb dongle work out of box in ubuntu
[16:42] <L3top> You are particularly hostile. Is it simply because you do not know the answer? I was looking for something along the lines of kernel version + kdm
[16:42] <meduser> yes, well mkv(bluray)
[16:42] <bazhang> !hcl | mrrothhcloud_
[16:42] <bazhang> !info linux | L3top
[16:43] <meduser> BluesKaj: yes, I have a few of them
[16:43] <bazhang> L3top, version numbers of packages you can find at packages.ubuntu.com
[16:44] <BluesKaj> L3top, open a terminal and run uname -a for the kernel version
[16:44] <meduser> BluesKaj: if I try to open any of the folders that I have avi's in kpcopy crashes, segmentation error.
[16:45] <bazhang> meduser, k9copy is to make one to one copies of dvd's
[16:46] <BluesKaj> bazhang,  I've used it to make avi file copies to dvd format
[16:46] <meduser> bazhang: I have the avi, which is a dvdrip...700mibs
[16:46] <bazhang> BluesKaj, interesting, never seen that.
[16:52] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok..trying to burn the straight avi file to dvd, without going through devede
[16:53] <Tronic> How can I disable screen blanking on 12.04 nightly?
[16:53] <Tronic> I have disabled screensaver and blanking settings already but it still blanks after about 10 minutes.
[16:53] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 please Tronic
[16:57] <meduser> BluesKaj: well it burnt, but same issues
[17:01] <BluesKaj> meduser,  wow , i recall accessing avi files and burning them wirh k9ciopy , now I can't get past the folder that contains the avi ...strange
[17:01] <meduser> BluesKaj: so your having the same issue now?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> k9copy doesn't crash it just denies me access to the actual file by not opening the folder
[17:03] <meduser> BluesKaj: I get full on crash
[17:04] <meduser> BluesKaj: there is a setting in k3b that allows for an iso to be created from the avi...trying that now. Good thing I had 50 discs at my disposal
[17:05] <meduser> BluesKaj: I am sure it is me, and my inexperience with the software geared for linux
[17:05] <BluesKaj> this is really strange
[17:06] <meduser> I have seen most say they use K3B...it has to work
[17:06] <Peace-> meduser: if the avi is less then standar 700mb i guess ues
[17:06] <BluesKaj> k9copy uses the same burning program as k3b
[17:07] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  this is a dvd
[17:07] <Peace-> BluesKaj: needs to create a dvd with menu ?
[17:07] <Peace-> or what?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> Peace-, dvd structure from an avi file
[17:08] <BluesKaj> for an avi file
[17:09] <meduser> BluesKaj: the cd I made plays on the pc just fine
[17:09] <Peace-> meduser: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/2ManDVD?content=99450
[17:09] <Peace-> it should be in the repo
[17:10] <Peace-> BluesKaj: the structure of a dvd is very simple
[17:10] <BluesKaj> yeah meduser that's why i put my pc into the TV/Audio system mix ..got tired of the BS involved with dvds etc ...it's like media server. I play all media directly off the pc
[17:10] <meduser> Peace-: Blueskaj is trying ever so patiently to help me burn a dvd..lol
[17:10] <Peace-> in the most of cases you need just to create a dvd project and put the avi in the VIDEO_TS folder
[17:11] <bazhang> !find 2mandvd
[17:11] <meduser> BluesKaj: My pc is like 100 foot away from tv
[17:11] <Peace-> i have to go
[17:11] <Peace-> bye
[17:12] <bazhang> need to compile that from source, not in the repos
[17:13] <meduser> watching the dvd I just made on the pc..sony does not recognize it
[17:13] <meduser> frustrting to say the least..lol
[17:16] <BluesKaj> meduser,  peaces has a point ...my k3b memories are rusty about media burning ...open k3b , File>New Project>New DVD Project ..that should open a folder tree , choose the avi file there
[17:17] <BluesKaj> I should have checked this outm sooner
[17:17] <meduser> BluesKaj: so just add avi to the video_ts folder?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:18] <BluesKaj> that crates the dvd structure afaik
[17:18] <BluesKaj> creates
[17:19] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok..I have k3b open, I have addedthe avi to the bottom screen, then moved it to the video_ts folder. That folder now has 700.2 MiB, audio_ts has 0..is that looking right?
[17:19] <meduser> BluesKaj: trying to burn that now
[17:20] <BluesKaj> but pls don't curse me if it doesn't work ...my dvd player used to work with this procedure
[17:20] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:22] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok, clicked on burn, in settings, I have simulate, create image, only create image, veryify written data..all are unchecked.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> create image
[17:24] <meduser> BluesKaj: k..click burn, and hold my breath?..lol
[17:25] <BluesKaj> meduser,  next time you're near a electronics store like future shop or bestbuy or the source , buy some dvdrw discs ...it's worth it
[17:25] <meduser> BluesKaj: when I click burn with create image, remove image clicked I get an error..could not dtermine size of resulting image
[17:26] <meduser> BluesKaj: lol..I know..I have burnt movies for years and never had more than 1 or 2 when learning a new system..lol
[17:26] <BluesKaj> meduser, try only create image
[17:27] <meduser> BluesKaj: won't let me burn when clicking create ..does not change anything
[17:27] <BluesKaj> or move the avi file back out of the folder
[17:27] <meduser> BluesKaj: good lord..I am normally on the the other side of the advice ..lol
[17:28] <meduser> BluesKaj: so have the video_ts folder empty, the audio_ts folder empty, and the avi sitting below them?
[17:29] <meduser> BluesKaj: same error..this is getting comical...
[17:29] <L3top> meduser: try growisofs -Z /dev/cd0 -dvd-video /path/to/video
[17:30] <meduser> BluesKaj: actually it says it does not contain all the neessary dvd files
[17:30] <L3top> or growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video /path/to/video
[17:30] <L3top> presuming you have dvd+rw-tools
[17:31] <meduser> L3top: I do l3top
[17:32] <BluesKaj> L3top, does that string convert avi to dvd structure ?
[17:32] <L3top> yes
[17:34] <BluesKaj> L3top,  ok good to know , i hope it works
[17:35] <meduser> L3top: genisoimage: Could not find correct 'VIDEO_TS' directory.
[17:35] <meduser> genisoimage: Unable to make a DVD-Video image.
[17:35] <meduser> Possible reasons:
[17:35] <meduser>   - VIDEO_TS subdirectory was not found on specified location
[17:35] <meduser>   - VIDEO_TS has invalid contents
[17:35] <FloodBotK1> meduser: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:35] <meduser> :-( write failed: Input/output error
[17:35] <L3top> you may want to author it first... one second... I know that creates the structure, but not sure exactly what it will do without a menu...
[17:35] <L3top> you will soon see
[17:36] <L3top> for both?
[17:36] <L3top> sorry missed your last text
[17:36] <L3top> /dev/cd0 and /dev/dvd?
[17:37] <meduser> L3top: /dev/dvd
[17:37] <L3top> try the other
[17:37] <meduser> L3top: L3top: genisoimage: Could not find correct 'VIDEO_TS' directory.
[17:39] <tsimpson> you can use k9copy to author video DVDs, probably the easiest way
[17:39] <meduser> L3top: ( unable to open64("/dev/cd0",O_RDONLY): No such file or directory
[17:39] <L3top> ok...
[17:40] <meduser> L3top: point and click seemed so much easier..I have been trying to make dvd's for almost 3 weeks now. ..lol..it should not be this difficult
[17:41] <L3top> to be clear... that dvd is blank and the device is a burner...
[17:41] <L3top> Yes... it seems to want the VIDEO_TS file there from an authored file
[17:42] <L3top> sorry for that... not something I do, just knew the switch existed
[17:42] <meduser> The disc, when inserted says blank dvd. It is out of a brand new stack of dvd's, dual layer 8.5 gbs. The dvd burner is an lg, 2 weeks old. I can burn cd's just fine
[17:42] <L3top> man details that it converts it to dvd player structure... was not clear on prereq at casual glance
[17:43] <L3top> just checking the simple things first
[17:43] <L3top> ;)
[17:43] <meduser> L3top: n/p. I am willing to try anything..I just appreciate all the great folks in the linux society that are willing and patient enought o help out the new guys.
[17:44] <L3top> I am looking for a simple author tool that does so automagically... as I presume you don't care what the menu "art" is.
[17:44] <meduser> BlueKav has been helping for 2 days now...we are just throwing crap at the wall to see if it sticks..lol
[17:44] <BluesKaj> meduser,  we were new guys once too :) , at least I was
[17:45]  * L3top was born with tux tattoo
[17:45] <L3top> I keed...
[17:46] <meduser> BluesKaj: I help out at other sites where I am the xpereinced one in networking and other such topics, so I know what it is like to be one the other side. I learn, and then pass the new knowledge on as best I can
[17:47] <meduser> BluesKaj: I need to step out with my kids for hockey practice. I'll be back in an hour
[17:47] <L3top> BluesKaj: sorry for being snotty earlier... I am sure my question is not clear. I chose to ask here rather than gentoo because it seemed smarter to look for something which now exists than something which doesn't/isn't, or misreports based on distro of origin. Sort of the prove a positive not a negative thing.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> L3top,  mymedia conversion and burning skills are very rusty since I connected my pc to our home theater system and began using it as our meia server. ...I can recall using tovid to author and burn dvds in the terminal ...it worked well but one had to be very careful to follow the instructions as one went thru the process
[17:48] <L3top> I am convinced his distro is no longer gentoo... but have difficulty demonstrating it outside of kernel version. His repos are all ours or ubuntu.
[17:48] <BluesKaj> L3top,  sorry fotr appearing hostile , it has to do with our frustration here today
[17:49] <BluesKaj> L3top,  so you're updating from the canonical etc repos ?
[17:49] <L3top> he is... yes
[17:50] <L3top> our project is ginormous... trunked to about a dozen other large projects
[17:50] <L3top> asterisk, myth etc
[17:51] <L3top> and as I said... I am pretty sure his setup is working because it has been converted... and it occurred to me... I don't know how to tell.
[17:56] <L3top> BluesKaj: You can take a look at www.linuxmce.org . It is an open source home automation platform.
[17:57] <L3top> built on kubuntu
[17:57] <BluesKaj> yeah , the kernel obviously works for him , but does that determine what/how the OS is really defined
[17:57] <L3top> exactly
[17:57] <L3top> I don't really know...
[17:57] <L3top> maybe I will ask in devel
[17:59] <L3top> the user is basically anti-buntu... and I while it satisfies him to think he is on something else... I don't believe he is anymore. Primarily because he got it running in a few hours... and it is... tempermental at best... and with just lucid repos... I am pretty sure he has a kubuntu lucid install now which identifies as gentoo in grub
[18:19] <BluesKaj> L3top,  linuxmce looks very interesting , seems designed for much larger and fancier setup than mine tho
[18:21] <BluesKaj> L3top,  is he anti gnome/unity or anti all 'buntu distros in general ?
[18:22] <L3top> I don't want to disparage the guy... so I can't really comment.
[18:22] <L3top> that is the best way I can put it.
[18:22] <L3top> lol
[18:22] <L3top> "ubuntu sucks" would be the answer if you asked him
[18:23] <L3top> and it would just tickle me to alert him that he is still on it once he goes on about how awesome it is
[18:23] <L3top> because I am petty I guess.
[18:26] <BluesKaj> well ubuntu sucks is a pretty strong statement... it'll be interesting to see how he likes the OS after a week or 2 :)
[18:32] <roger_> Lucid install?
[18:32] <roger_> why lucid?
[18:33] <tsimpson> probably because it's LTS
[18:33] <L3top> it is LTS
[18:34] <roger_> Always amusing to hear heated impassioned claims of true statements that have no facts behind them beyond uninformed opinion
[18:35] <roger_> Ah so he's ready to jump to LTS+1 ? :)
[18:35] <ClutchDart> Hmm, noob here hoping for a bit of assistance, or am I in the wrong place? :)
[18:36] <roger_> ClutchDart: ask away
[18:37] <ClutchDart> I'm not really sure how I did it, but I managed to lose the 'start button'... Now to me my alternate computer isn't much more than a brick, I don't want to format and reinstall... Any idears on getting it back? I'm pretty much a noob with the command line and linux in general, so that doesn't help
[18:38] <roger_> ClutchDart: do you have a panel at the bottom of the screen at all?
[18:38] <ClutchDart> yes
[18:39] <roger_> ClutchDart: is there a button to the right of the panel (Kinda yellow)
[18:39] <tsimpson> ClutchDart: click the Plasma Tool Box button on the right of the panel, choose "Add Widgets...", find the "Application Launcher" and drag it on to the panel
[18:40] <roger_> tsimpson: noob. Easy with all the non expoosed names :)
[18:40] <ClutchDart> Ooh, so THAT'S where it's hiding... And what it's called
[18:40] <ClutchDart> Now to get my mouse working on every click :P
[18:40] <ClutchDart> thanks :)
[18:42] <roger_> ClutchDart: sure :) what clicks does the mouse work with?
[18:44] <ClutchDart> roger_: I'm... Not sure yet... Some does and some doesn't, and I've not isolated what makes the difference
[18:45] <ClutchDart> I'm switching to a less advanced mouse, so maybe that'll help
[18:51] <ClutchDart> Now, for me to figure out the dual-boot... But that's another topic, so thanks for the help y'all and hopefully soon I'll be able to provide help to others rather than always needing the help
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !dual boot | ClutchDart
[18:56] <Sleepwalker_> Are there any germans?
[18:58] <ClutchDart> BluesKaj: Thanks :)
[18:59] <ClutchDart> Hmm, would running Windows in a VM make it to where I'd lose system resources to the point of being unable to easily play games? It's already an older system... I'd prefer the VM option, I just don't know how much I'd lose because of it
[19:01] <tsimpson> ClutchDart: VMs are always going to be slower than running natively, however the only way to tell is to test it and see
[19:01] <tsimpson> try a VM first, you can always go for dual-boot later on
[19:02] <ClutchDart> Alright, thanks :) Another noob question... Where do I find the system specs (I think that's the right term) I'm coming from a Mac where system profiler is easy to find and I know how to view it... I've got Kubuntu on an old IBM desktop, and that's where I'm wanting to put Windows as well
[19:03] <yofel> Sleepwalker_: you can find germans in #kubuntu-de usually
[19:03] <tsimpson> ClutchDart: kinfocenter is probably what you want
[19:05] <ClutchDart> Yep, that looks right :) Thanks again!
[19:07] <meduser> BluesKaj: I am back
[19:09] <BluesKaj> meduser,  any progress ?
[19:18] <meduser> BluesKaj: no, I had to take my kids to hockey practice. Just got back.....I am thinking of trying nerolinux ans see how that goes. But I can't help thinking this is some little setting I am doing wrong
[19:21] <BarkingFish> evening guys, need a little help here.  ndiswrapper is not loading when I boot.  I've tried to add it to /etc/modules, but for some reason that causes my system to forget my entire sound card.  Anything I can do to sort this out please?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> meduser, ffmpeg can convert avi to dvd/mpeg which make it ready for burning on k3b under the heading , "Convert .avi to mpeg for dvd players " on this page ,http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/19-ffmpeg-commands-for-all-needs , if you don't mind trying the command line instead of guis.
[19:30] <tsimpson> did you try k9copy, it's pretty much designed for DVD video authoring
[19:31] <BluesKaj> tsimpson,  k9copy won't let himn acces the avi files , it crashes when he tries to convert
[19:32] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: odd, it actually uses ffmpeg (and/or mencoder) internally
[19:33] <Peace-> 2mandvd should be nice
[19:33] <meduser> BluesKaj: thanks Blueskag. I will try that. I actually prefer command or terminal over the guis. It's more fun when you are learning, And I want to learn it the right way. I'll check out ffmpeg.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yes , but there's something else causing the problem , I'm sure , because I used k9copy to make and burn avi files to dvd and now it won't let me access the avi file directly , can't get into the folder
[19:35] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, ^
[19:35] <Peace-> BluesKaj: tried with kdesudo ?
[19:35] <Peace-> adding user on video audio groups^?
[19:35] <meduser> tsimpson: thanks for the suggestion. We have been trying for 2 days here and I am sure it is something not setup right on my behalf. I am new to Linux, so I kust don't know the programs at all.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> peace . I'm the only user why would that have changed?
[19:36] <Peace-> BluesKaj: try is not die :D
[19:37] <tsimpson> I really haven't tried to burn a video DVD in a long time (isn't wireless streaming to HD TVs fun), so I'm not entirely sure how these things work. I remember using k9copy, but this was a couple of years ago now
[19:38] <Peace-> 1 or you try to convert with ffmpeg into mpeg2video  and use k3b to butn
[19:38] <Peace-> 2 or 2mandvd
[19:39] <BluesKaj> tsimpson,  I'm sort of in the same boat , having put all our media on this pc which isnow connected to the HT setup
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  kdesudo k9copy doesn't make it accessible either
[19:40] <lukito>     * /msg Free|205 xdcc send #407
[19:40] <Peace-> BluesKaj: ok
[19:43] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok, I am trying theffmpeg -i source_video.avi -target pal-dvd -ps<PHONE_NUMBER> -aspect 16:9 finale_video.mpeg
[19:45] <meduser> BluesKaj: using my source, In the terminal,  it appears to be converting the file
[19:45] <BluesKaj> meduser,  same here , just to see how it converts
[19:46] <BluesKaj> so far no dropped frames either , which is good
[19:46] <meduser> BluesKaj: cool...You are such a big help. I really appreciate the help.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> meduser,  well ,  this me curious ..it will be a "help" if this works for you :)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> makes me curious
[19:51] <BluesKaj> meduser,  btw this looks like full rate conversion without any data loss
[19:52] <rtdos> my shutdown (power off) and restart options are missing from my kickoff application launcher menu.
[19:53] <rtdos> how can i get them back?
[19:55] <kbroulik> rtdos: umm… try System settings → login manager (one of the downmost entries) and on the I think last tab "Can shutdown" and then everyone … Ithink
[19:56] <BluesKaj> rtdos,  dunno , but you can right click on the desktop to get it as well
[19:56] <rtdos> session management?
[20:03] <meduser> BluesKaj: Looks like it is going to take a while to convert
[20:03] <meduser> BluesKaj: not that I care..lol..I just want it to work
[20:04] <BluesKaj> med , mine is a 2G file and I'm up to 1.8 so far , should be finished soon
[20:04] <BluesKaj> meduser, ^
[20:08] <meduser> BluesKaj: still going here..at frame 100 000..
[20:09] <tsimpson> meduser: go make coffee, or have a snack. maybe watch some TV, or play solitaire. transcoding video tends to take _forever_
[20:11] <BluesKaj> meduser,  hmm, yeah this file is gonna be larger than the original ...well i'll just let it run it's course
[20:11] <meduser> tsimpson: I don't mind sitting here..I have nothing else to do...I just wanted to keep communication going..lol
[20:14] <BluesKaj> nascar/daytona has a rain delay anyway:)
[20:24] <meduser> BluesKaj: Mine is done....video:2890649kB audio:294110kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 2.116359%
[20:25] <BluesKaj> meduser,  what was the original filesize ?
[20:26] <meduser> 700mbs
[20:26] <BluesKaj> whoa
[20:26] <meduser> BluesKaj: ^
[20:27] <meduser> BluesKaj: file was 700mbs avi. is this a good result or bad? it's what? almost 3 gbs now isn't it?
[20:27] <meduser> BluesKaj: 4x the size..lol
[20:28] <tsimpson> mpeg (at least the MPEG standard used on DVDs) was never that good at compression
[20:29] <tsimpson> compared to more recent codecs anyway
[20:29] <BluesKaj> meduser,  yeah and it was probly compressed to fit on a cd
[20:29] <BluesKaj> originally
[20:29] <meduser> tsimpson: but the result is what I needed right?
[20:29] <meduser> ok, so now try and burn this with k9?
[20:29] <tsimpson> I'd guess so
[20:30] <tsimpson> though expect it to do some more processing, DVD structure is convoluted
[20:30] <BluesKaj> no meduser just burn it with k3b , I would think ,,it's already converted
[20:30] <meduser> tsimpson: when I said mine was done, it had me back to the user prompt in terminal
[20:31] <meduser> BluesKaj: ok..just a sec
[20:31] <Fanfare> Q: is there a kubuntu-hardware channel?
[20:31] <tsimpson> right now you have a video in the right format, but it still needs splitting and other processing for it to be a "standard" video DVD
[20:31] <tsimpson> otherwise it's just a video file on a disk
[20:32] <meduser> tsimpson: Convert .avi to mpeg for dvd players
[20:32] <meduser> ffmpeg -i source_video.avi -target pal-dvd -ps<PHONE_NUMBER> -aspect 16:9 finale_video.mpeg
[20:32] <BluesKaj> meduser, this ffmpeg string was upposed to convert to the dvd structure tsimpson
[20:32] <meduser> tsimpson: that was the command used
[20:33] <tsimpson> unless you have a bunch of .VOB and .SUB files, it's not in DVD format yet
[20:33] <tsimpson> it's just in the right codec etc
[20:33] <meduser> BluesKaj: I know..I think tsimpson doesn't know what we tried..lol
[20:34] <tsimpson> ok, give it a go and see
[20:34] <BluesKaj> tsimpson,  http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/19-ffmpeg-commands-for-all-needs , scroll down to "Convert .avi to mpeg for dvd players"
[20:35] <BluesKaj> oops that command converted to pal not ntsc , meduser ...hope your player does pal :(
[20:35] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: it's in the standard DVD video format, not in the DVD filesystem structure
[20:36] <meduser> BluesKaj: no..in North America..ha..try again..lol
[20:36] <tsimpson> if you have a DVD to hand, mount it and take a look at the structure
[20:37] <meduser> BluesKaj: so is there one for ntcs?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> meduser,  just replace pal with ntsc
[20:38] <BluesKaj> in the string
[20:38] <meduser> BluesKaj: I see it..
[20:41] <BluesKaj> I have a problem here ...needs rebooting ..brb
[20:41] <meduser> BluesKaj: I'm converting again..
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ok trying again with ntsc, this time
[20:56] <rezaonline64> hi
[21:02] <meduser> BluesKaj: will I am at 85000frames now..almost there...
[21:14] <roger_> rtdos: are you using GDM to login ?
[21:14] <roger_> Fanfare: Kubuntu Hardware ?
[21:17] <BluesKaj> meduser,  install tovid , then to indicate if the file is dvd compliant (ready to burn to dvd) , in the terminal , idvid filename.mpg
[21:21] <BluesKaj> meduser,  if that indicates the file is not dvd compliant, then reprocess it with ,  tovid -dvd -ntsc -in filename.mpg -out nameofoutputfile
[21:22] <meduser> BluesKaj: typed   apt-get install tovid, says it is installed..typed  idvd myname.mpeg, got idvd: command not found
[21:23] <roger_> try jobsdvd
[21:24] <meduser> BluesKaj: missed the i..trying again..
[21:24] <BluesKaj> meduser,  I used tovid very successfully to make dvds from avi files and other video...however there several other tools/utlities required to author dvds using tovid , but it's worth researching and learning
[21:25] <meduser> BluesKaj: says this: idvid: command not found
[21:30] <BluesKaj> meduser,  use tovid id filename.mpeg
[21:33] <BluesKaj> meduser,  http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Tovid_Wiki
[21:34] <meduser> BluesKaj: Says I can burn it to NTSC dvd
[21:35] <BluesKaj> med there is also a support channel #tovid , but it's not very populated or busy from what I recall
[21:35] <meduser> BluesKaj: Audio is compliant with the following formats:
[21:35] <meduser>   448000 bps 48khz AC3 DVD (Dolby Digital)
[21:35] <meduser> Video is compliant with the following formats:
[21:35] <meduser>   4656000 bps 29.970 fps MPEG2 NTSC DVD
[21:35] <meduser> You can burn this video to NTSC DVD
[21:35] <FloodBotK1> meduser: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:36] <BluesKaj> meduser,  cool ...maybe that will work :)
[21:37] <meduser> BluesKaj: so, I have K3B open, I selected New Video DVD project
[21:37] <roger_> Bleah
[21:38] <roger_> Anyone has an intimate relationship with networking?
[21:38] <meduser> BluesKaj: I can select the .mpeg we just made..it pute it outside the folders in the current projects box. Should the current folders box be just the 2 folders, video and audio?
[21:38] <roger_> if I ping a hostname it resolves the IP address and pings correctly
[21:38] <roger_> if I ssh it resolves as a different IP address and ssh freaks outs
[21:41] <Fanfare> roger_: supportchannel for kubuntu users with Hardwareprobs...
[21:42] <meduser> BluesKaj: I am going to assume that it is just supposed to be the two folders, and put the mpeg into the video folder.
[21:42] <BluesKaj> meduser,  I think since it's already to burn to dvd just open k3b and navigate to the file and choose it directly
[21:42] <roger_> Fanfare: You are in it
[21:43] <meduser> BluesKaj: so don't worry about clicking on video dvd, ju?
[21:43] <meduser> BluesKaj: just find file, click burn?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> meduser,  yes
[21:45] <meduser> BluesKaj: if i do that it says found files bigger than 2gb. These files will only be fully accessedible if mounted with udf
[21:47] <BluesKaj> meduser,  don't worry , that's some old std for older pcs
[21:48] <meduser> BluesKaj: burning..fingers crossed..lol
[21:49] <BluesKaj> roger_,  I suggest you use static IP for your LAN for all pcs , list them in /etc/hosts.allow under portmap as  ALL:192.168,X.X
[21:50] <BluesKaj> individual IP addresses of course roger_
[21:51] <BluesKaj> roger_,  http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[21:52] <roger_> BluesKaj: THey are static doesn't help the resolution being different from two different processes :(
[21:53] <BluesKaj> roger_,  sorry I don't understand
[21:53] <roger_> BluesKaj: ping mycomp
[21:54] <roger_> it pings <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:54] <roger_> ssh mycomp
[21:54] <roger_> it sshes into <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:56] <BluesKaj> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the command , roger_
[21:57] <roger_> BluesKaj: yes but why would the name resolution be different?
[22:00] <meduser> BluesKaj: not looking good;P
[22:01] <BluesKaj> ssh requires an IP address in the string afaik , ssh-ing into pc-name isn't supported afaik
[22:02] <roger_> BluesKaj: :) Of course it is
[22:02] <roger_> for example I can from the other computer do ssh yourcomp
[22:02] <BluesKaj> meduser,  then why would it say burn to dvd compliant ...that's rhetorical btw
[22:02] <roger_> and it works fine (course it gets the same IP address every time)
[22:03] <meduser> BluesKaj: not being found by Sony
[22:03] <BluesKaj> roger_,  i don't get it , what's this yourcomp mycomp thing?
[22:04] <roger_> BluesKaj: the names of the computers
[22:05] <roger_> I can call them xaiver and magnus if you like
[22:05] <BluesKaj> without IPs in the command , roger_?
[22:05] <roger_> BluesKaj: Without ips
[22:06] <BluesKaj> you're using alisaes , right ?
[22:06] <roger_> BluesKaj: no. Just hostnames. The name resolves to an IP address and ssh kicks in
[22:07] <BluesKaj> I'm not familiar with that method
[22:07] <BluesKaj> in etc/resolv.conf?
[22:08] <roger_> BluesKaj: right Though I have them in /etc/hosts
[22:08] <BluesKaj> meduser,  bummer guess I was wrong , k3b needs those TS files for you dvdplayer ...k3b>File>New Project>New Video DVD Project
[22:09] <meduser> BluesKaj:  should the mpeg be inside the video folder?
[22:10] <BluesKaj> roger_,  ok , I've never tried listing the IPs in /etc/hosts
[22:10] <BluesKaj> meduser,  I really don't know
[22:10] <BluesKaj> sorry I've forgotten , meduser
[22:10] <roger_> BluesKaj: shouldn't work any different from anythign else. It's just a lookup of a computer name to see what ip address it has
[22:10] <roger_>  same as trying to go to www.kubuntu.org
[22:14] <BluesKaj> roger_,  you are aware of the new dynamic /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d file that overwrites the /etc/resolv.conf file , but I don't know how that would have anything to do with it , it's mainly for dns / nameservers
[22:16] <roger_> yeah. Didn't check that but let me take a look
[22:17] <BluesKaj> dunno if it's on oneiric yet
[22:17] <roger_> ok give me a moment
[22:17] <roger_> let me reboot
[22:17] <BluesKaj> 12.04 Precise here
[22:19] <roger_> nice :)
[22:42] <jmichaelx> so i have this weird desktop effect going on, and would love to kill it. it has to do with the desktop switching animation. as the cube turns, the widgets all go kind of sideways (or something). anyone know what this is, and how i can make it go away?
[22:44] <enrico__> hi
[22:55] <roger_> hi
[23:55] <viKtor_> hi people, just one question, i can't decide between unity and kde so, for a really powered pc, which one could be better? i like both but both are lacking in something... just need to know! hehe


[04:36] <pitti> Good morning
[05:07] <tvoss_> ScottK, ping
[05:09] <tvoss_> ScottK, for the effects/compositing setup: should be what comes as default when installing kubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <ScottK> tvoss_: OK.  Thanks.  In the video, the effects looked less transparent, but that may just be the video.  It would have been nice to see more actual compositing effects demonstrated and some KDE apps.
[05:15] <ScottK> I don't feel like I got much of a feel for it as it was.
[05:20] <tvoss_> ScottK, hmmm, I can try with vanilla X and see if I notice any changes
[05:20] <tvoss_> ScottK, any particular operation you want me to check except for playing around with it a little longer?
[05:24] <ScottK> I'd be interested to see various window switching effects, like present windows, , box switch, cover switch, as well as some of the other effects like the outline effect on a focused window and the dialog darken effect.
[05:24] <ScottK> I think seeing things like that are directly driven by kwin when using KDE apps would be more representative.
[05:27] <ScottK> superm1: Would you please update the mythbuntu metapackage/seeds: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ttf-droid
[05:34] <tvoss_> ScottK, happy to do that, a screen cap is fine with you?
[05:35] <ScottK> tvoss_: Sure.  Just trying to get a better idea of it.
[05:45] <tvoss_> ScottK, mind pointing me at the keyboard shortcuts to activate the effects you want to see?
[05:46] <ScottK> For present windows, I normally move my cursor to the upper left corner.
[05:46] <ScottK> The window switching ones are alt-tab
[05:47] <ScottK> I think ctrl f10 for present windows
[05:47] <tvoss_> ScottK, cool, thx :)
[05:47] <ScottK> the outline effect should be visible if you have multiple overlapping apps in the screen and one has focus.
[05:48] <ScottK> For the darken dialog one, you'll have to arrange to have something pop up a diaglog
[05:48] <tvoss_> ScottK, ack, any specific kde app you want to see?
[05:49] <ScottK> No, it's more about the windeco/window than the contents.
[05:49] <ScottK> Trying to exercise the things that kwin has direct control over.
[05:51] <tvoss_> ScottK, sure
[06:00]  * tvoss_ is off to kubuntu land for a minute or two :)
[07:06] <tvoss_> ScottK, uploading to u1
[07:06] <ScottK> Does that result in it going somewhere I can see it?
[07:07] <tvoss_> ScottK, hmmm, I assumed you would have a u1 account
[07:07] <tvoss_> ScottK, if not, where do you want me to put it?
[07:07] <ScottK> Nope.
[07:07] <ScottK> Anywhere public is fine.
[07:07] <tvoss_> ScottK, let me see, youtube should work
[07:07] <ScottK> I don't believe in storing data on systems I don't control.
[07:07] <ScottK> Yeah.
[07:08] <ScottK> At least not anything that shouldn't be public.
[07:08] <tvoss_> ScottK, fair
[07:11] <tvoss_> ScottK, I noticed that tracker is using quite a lot of cpu in the background. do you kick it off by default on session login?
[07:23] <tvoss_> ScottK, hth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sKQnDAPEA4
[07:31] <ScottK> I don't think nepomuk uses that normally, but that's probably what it is.  It can bog things down a bit on first run.
[07:32] <ScottK> tvoss: Looks pretty good.  I get a much better sense of it from that.
[07:33] <tvoss> ScottK, cool, glad that I could help
[07:33] <ScottK> You might want to mention that in the comments to the first one or something.
[07:33] <tvoss> ScottK, I will drop a mail to Jono
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <seb128> dholbach, good morning my german friend! wie gehts?
[07:50] <dholbach> hey seb128 - good good - yourself?
[07:50] <seb128> dholbach, I'm good thanks ;-)
[09:55] <brendand> why is openssh-server not in saucy?
[09:56] <pitti> brendand: err, it better was.. and it is
[09:56] <pitti> openssh-server |  1:6.2p2-5 |         saucy | amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
[09:56] <brendand> pitti, apt-cache search doesn't find it
[09:57] <brendand> neither devscripts!
[09:57] <brendand> something is wrong with my install then (most recent daily image)
[09:58] <xnox> brendand: did you run apt-get update to get the package lists?!
[09:58] <brendand> nothing wrong with sources.list
[09:58] <xnox> ah, snap.
[09:58] <brendand> xnox, doing that now
[09:59] <brendand> xnox, that's a bug then, no?
[10:01] <xnox> brendand: apt-cache is fully offline, it only looks up things in the downloaded package files.
[10:02] <brendand> xnox, ah i know now - i couldn't get a connection during install because of a bug in ubiquity
[10:03] <brendand> xnox, ergo it didn't run apt-get update during install (succesfully anyway)
[10:03] <xnox> brendand: hence..... no caches. I do think that ubiquity in those cases should copy the stale cache from the cd though.
[10:03] <xnox> but not sure if this should be implemented or not.
[10:03] <ogra_> is there one ?
[10:03] <xnox> ogra_: let me check.
[10:03] <ogra_> i thought the cache is wiped during build
[10:04] <ogra_> to save space
[10:05] <xnox> ogra_: in /var/cache/apt/ pkgcache.bin is 5.1M and srcpkgcache.bin is 5.0M and nothing under archives/
[10:05] <xnox> is that installed packages though?!
[10:06] <xnox> ogra_: all is there for main and restricted under /var/lib/apt/lists/ 12M
[10:06] <ogra_> hmm, could be a full cache should be bigger
[10:07] <ogra_> we wipe /var/lib/apt/lists/ though
[10:07] <ogra_> not sure the cache helps much without the list files
[10:08] <xnox> but lists files are there as well.
[10:08] <ogra_> oh ?
[10:08] <ogra_> inside the squashfs ?
[10:08] <xnox> yeap.
[10:08] <ogra_> i always thought apt-setup handles them
[10:08] <ogra_> from casper
[10:09] <xnox> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5807347/
[10:09] <ogra_> yeah, i see
[10:12] <ogra_> jodh, hey ho
[10:16] <rbasak> So cgroups' kernel interface is changing, and non-systemd systems will need new code to cope: https://lwn.net/Articles/555920/
[10:17] <rbasak> How much does this affect Ubuntu? Do we now need to write a cgroup manager?
[10:18] <rbasak> hallyn: ^^ will this affect LXC at all?
[10:18] <pitti> rbasak: I don't think it affects upstart a lot, but ICBW; it will affect containers (but that's being discussed upstream) and logind (but that will be handled by upstream, too)
[10:18] <xnox> pitti: rbasak: It would be interesting to know if/how it affects lxc on ubuntu and nested-lxc on ubuntu.
[10:19] <pitti> I asked stgraber about this the other day
[10:19] <ogra_> definitely
[10:19] <ogra_> given an essential bit of our stuff today depends on lxc
[10:19] <ogra_> (touch, cloud)
[10:20] <rbasak> How much do we need cgroup support in LXC?
[10:20] <xnox> .... all of it?
[10:21] <ogra_> yeah
[10:21] <ogra_> without it it is just a chroot :)
[10:22] <pitti> rbasak: for us this mostly amounts to pay attention to shipping matching kernel and lxc versions, AFAICS
[10:22] <rbasak> Without cgroups there's still namespacing and apparmor
[10:23] <rbasak> I guess on phone it'll be bad if an app uses 100% CPU or something
[10:23] <ogra_> on the phone you will get issues with the running android init
[10:23] <rbasak> Thanks for the comments anyway. I just saw the article and thought we might want to pay attention. I guess hallyn is the expert here for the LXC end of things
[10:40] <jodh> ogra_: hi
[10:41] <ogra_> jodh, so we have some slight probs with the container handling on ubuntu touch ... and i was wondering if upstart could help us ...
[10:41] <ogra_> effectively we do not want the ubuntu system to handle certain things while android does the same inside the container
[10:41] <ogra_> i.e. see bug 1190792
[10:41] <ogra_> (we have plenty of such stuff)
[10:42] <ogra_> jodh, i was wondering if it would be possible to have something like an init-to-init-bridge between the two so we can see in upstart what happens inside the container to then adjust our event handling accordingly
[10:44] <jodh> ogra_: so you're talking about having androids init in lxc emitting events to the host systems upstart?
[10:44] <ogra_> right
[10:44] <ogra_> some kind of communication layer between host and container
[10:46] <ogra_> currently we have a lot of override jobs that i.e. look for the existence of a socket and then fire the ubuntu process ... thats horridly racy
[10:48] <ogra_> also bringing up the container on boot indeed costs several seconds, atm we can just wait for lxc-wait to make sure the OS inside the container is up, but that doesnt tell us if there is still stuff being processed ... racy again ...
[10:49] <ogra_> if we could instead have a listener for the specific in-conrainer job to start when the services inside the container runs we wouldnt have to wait for the whole container to be up and could start bits in parallel
[10:55] <jodh> ogra_: I guess the hacky way might be to poll with tools like lxc-ls/lxc-ps/lxc-nestat, but awe mentioned that some android services aren't even ready when the sockets appear so maybe we'd need to consider some sort of android service that talks back to the host? don't know enough about this tbh.
[10:56] <ogra_> well, thats what i'm proposing :)
[10:57] <ogra_> have either a hook in androids init (if it knows enough to give us any info) or have a watcher process that tells upstart about started processes
[10:57] <ogra_> and yeah, apps can indeed create sockets before they are ready and fully attached, thats one of the probs we have
[11:00] <ogra_> what we currently plan (and wich is really ugly) is for i.e. ueventd have it create a file in a shared space once it is done (kind of a udevadm settle with files) and have udev have a file-bridge handler watching it
[11:01] <ogra_> i'm not proposing this for 13.10 but i think we should plan something similar for 14.04
[11:01] <ogra_> (unless you think it's super easy and a thing of a days work to implement :) )
[11:06] <doko> jamespage, could you have a look at all the maven build failures in the test rebuild?
[11:07] <jodh> ogra_: you could do that now:
[11:07] <jodh> ogra_: 'start on file FILE=/var/lib/lxc/raring/rootfs/tmp/foo EVENT=created'
[11:08] <ogra_> not really, /var/lib/lxc/raring/rootfs/tmp/foo would never show up
[11:08] <jodh> ogra_: ?
[11:09] <ogra_>  /var/lib/lxc/raring/rootfs is only the input  your container runs somewhere in /proc
[11:09] <ogra_> so files created in /tmp would show up in /proc/$lxc-pid/root/tmp ...
[11:10] <ogra_> but we dont have $lxc-pid unless we explicitly process lxc-info output
[11:13] <jodh> ogra_: a watcher process sounds like it would get more traction that hacking androids init, but I don't know what env is available to allow it to talk back to the host. maybe those that know lxc+android better than I could comment on a bp if you raise one?
[11:13] <ogra_> you can create a socket in /dev/socket, thats shared for example
[11:14] <ogra_> and /data will always be a shared dir since binary blobs depend on it on both sides
[11:15] <ogra_> but while we will likely use the file approach through /data i dont think thats a proper solution
[11:15] <ogra_> (in the long term)
[11:47] <ogra_> jodh, oh, btw, i had tried to watch a socket with the file bridge ... seems i cant, it only seems to act on regular files, do you consider that a bug ?
[12:35] <hallyn> rbasak: pitti: the actual kernel cgroups changes are somewhat independent of the systemd announcement
[12:36] <hallyn> at some point it'll require a single unified hierarchy - that's no problem for us
[12:36] <hallyn> lemme find the most soothing email in the thread,
[12:37] <hallyn> http://lkml.org/lkml/2013/6/27/527
[12:37] <hallyn> rbasak: ^ tl;dr : we'll all be experimenting for awhile and coming up wtih a new api
[12:37] <jodh> ogra_: the bridge is using inotify, so I guess it's a limitation of inotify.
[12:37] <ogra_> ah
[12:37] <hallyn> the api is to set on *top* of cgroupfs, and we do want such a thing.  But if we want to be phillistines, we can always keep using cgroupfs :)
[13:19] <tvoss_> didrocks, what is the blessed way to install a symlink from a packaging setup?
[13:19] <didrocks> tvoss_: just do it like in a file, ship it, then dh_links will do the right thing for you :)
[13:19] <didrocks> dh_link*
[13:20] <didrocks> tvoss_: you can force creating some shipping debian/<package>.links (man dh_link)
[13:20] <tvoss_> didrocks, thx
[13:20] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:53] <roadmr> xnox: hi! about bug 1194195, the binary package depending on gksu was checkbox-gtk, so all should be peachy if I remove that particular dep, right? (I'll be adding a depends on policykit-1 instead, in addition to code changes)
[14:19] <xnox> roadmr: yes.
[14:19] <roadmr> xnox: ok, great! thanks. A fix should land in a few days then :)
[14:20] <xnox> roadmr: awesome.
[14:22] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I've created a apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu package to ship our templates and policygroups
[14:22] <infinity> mterry: To be clear on bug #1188935, were you okay with that being promoted despite the testsuite bug, or did you want that fixed first?
[14:22] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: ok
[14:22] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: the current version is 'ubuntu-0'. ie, things are installed in:
[14:22] <jdstrand> /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof/templates/ubuntu-0/ubuntu-sdk
[14:22] <jdstrand> /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof/policygroups/ubuntu-0/qmlscene
[14:22] <mterry> infinity, I'm OK despite the test suite bug.  I just want the test suite bug fixed this cycle ideally
[14:23] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: version 0? :P
[14:23] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: odd choice :P
[14:23] <infinity> mterry: Check.  Promoting, then.
[14:23] <mterry> Or whenever gnome-keyring can be run under xvfb
[14:23] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I used 'ubuntu-0' just for namespacing. ie, the json manifest would use '"policy_version": "ubuntu-0"'
[14:23] <mdeslaur> oh, yuck
[14:24] <mdeslaur> why not just an integer there?
[14:24] <mdeslaur> compating strings is painful
[14:24] <mdeslaur> comparing
[14:24] <jdstrand> easyprof supports that fine, I chose ubuntu-0 for namespacing
[14:26] <mdeslaur> *cough*ugly*cough*
[14:26] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: eg, if Debian wanted to ship easyprof templates, we would need to not collide
[14:26] <mdeslaur> ok, if you want to do that, then do policy_vendor and policy_version
[14:26] <jdstrand> jeez, you keep making me do more work :P
[14:26] <mdeslaur> because now we have to start parsing strings all over if we want to do "older than version 3" checks
[14:26] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: well, do it right the first time :)
[14:26] <jdstrand> meh
[14:26] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:27]  * mdeslaur hugs jdstrand
[14:37] <sergiusens> cjwatson: hey, recalling the question about sdk apps and click, the fat package format is supposed to solve the arch specific packages right? I see there's an architecture entry I could add to the manifest today to workaround that until it's ready if that's the case
[14:41] <cjwatson> sergiusens: fat packages are only needed if you want to ship multiple arches.  if you just need to ship one then you can just say "architecture": "armhf"
[14:42] <cjwatson> the "problem" of shipping packages for a single architecture isn't one that needs solving :)
[14:43] <sergiusens> cjwatson: great, so my temporary hack would be to use arch: armhf, but these apps would eventually need to be fattened up
[14:44] <cjwatson> or linked or something
[14:44] <cjwatson> we don't need to solve that problem just yet
[14:45] <sergiusens> one less problem to deal with for now, I'll table it
[14:55] <ev> manish: so this is going to be tricky. Since
[14:56] <ev> activity log manager by itself is only vala code, not a c shim like the control center integration, it means extern'ing enough c code in alm.vala to get the diagnostics page up
[14:56] <ev> manish: I'll keep at it, but can we release what we have? As the previous release disabled the diagnostics page, GNOME Ubuntu would be no worse off.
[14:59] <jbicha> ev: that release wasn't in Ubuntu because it had a regression like that
[14:59] <ev> jbicha: what's the regression?
[14:59] <ev> the diagnostics page never appeared in a-l-m standalone.
[15:00] <jbicha> what I meant was that alm 0.9.5 wasn't in Ubuntu
[15:00] <ev> oh, right
[15:02] <jbicha> ev: based on what you've said, I'm ok with releasing to saucy now with bug 1192778 unfixed but I'd really like it fixed before saucy is released
[15:03] <ev> jbicha: *nods* I'm working on it, I just don't want the release to block on it. :)
[15:13] <barry> jbicha: the debdiff in lp: #1194526 comment #4 doesn't apply cleanly to the current saucy branch of libgsf.  can you generate a new patch?  if not, i will adapt it
[15:20] <infinity> barry: Meh, I'll just do that merge myself right now, it's trivial.
[15:21] <barry> infinity: thanks
[15:22] <jbicha> thanks
[15:28]  * infinity resurrects a lost changelog entry while he's at it.
[15:33] <smoser> slangasek, what would be in local-filesystems that is not in filesystems ?
[15:33] <smoser> ie, i have a system hung where local-filesystems ahs fired but not filesystems
[15:54] <smoser> hm..
[15:57] <xnox> what is responsible for clearing /forcefsck after it's been done?
[15:58] <slangasek> smoser: I guess you mean the other way around?  things in filesystem but not in local-filesystems; that would be network filesystems, by and large... 'filesystem' should be the union of 'local-filesystems' and 'remote-filesystems' IIRC
[16:01] <smoser> yeah.
[16:01] <smoser> slangasek, do you have a minute
[16:01] <jodh> smb: we even have a picture: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#mountall-event-summary :)
[16:01] <slangasek> smoser: ok
[16:02] <smoser> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:02] <smoser> that system i think has not run rc yet. and i *thoht* had not emitted filesystme, but i don thtink thats rignht
[16:03] <slangasek> smoser: cannot resolve hostname
[16:03] <jodh> smb: oops - should have been smoser ;)
[16:03] <smb> jodh, Very ..err nice. Why would we want that again. :)
[16:03] <smb> ah
[16:03] <smoser> slangasek, would it seem odd or bad for
[16:03] <smoser> lockfile-create /var/lock/ntpdate-ifup
[16:03] <smoser> to have been hung
[16:03] <smoser> jodh, that 'last spoken tab completion' thing causes problems when both smb and i are talking
[16:03] <smoser> i often say things to myself in that situation
[16:03] <smb> smoser, Hey I haven't said a thing today. :)
[16:04] <jodh> smb: we can hear your thoughts!
[16:04] <smoser> slangasek, sorry<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:04] <smoser> md5 hostnames for the win!
[16:04] <smb> jodh, must be a lot of <beep>ing
[16:05] <jodh> smb: hey, I like techno :)
[16:05] <smb> :)
[16:05] <slangasek> smoser: 'status mountall' -> stop/waiting; what do you see here that points to filesystem not having fired?
[16:07] <smoser> slangasek, well, i think i have retracted that thought
[16:07] <smoser> but
[16:07] <smoser> $ ls -altr /var/run/landscape
[16:07] <smoser> ls: cannot access /var/run/landscape: No such file or directory
[16:07] <smoser> S45landscape should have created that.
[16:07] <smoser> so it would seem it didn't run
[16:08] <slangasek> smoser: if you run the script manually, what do you get?
[16:09] <smoser> i haven tried. cause i didn't want ot ruin state
[16:09] <slangasek> I see that the script will exit before creading the pidfile if check_config() failed
[16:09] <smoser> ah. ok. then maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree then.
[16:09] <smoser> why would lockfile hang ?
[16:09] <smoser> the 2 instances i see hung like this have a lockfile pid hung
[16:10] <ev> manish, jbicha I think I've got it. Just cleaning it up.
[16:10] <slangasek> smoser: /etc/default/landscape-client doesn't exist; therefore RUN==0, CLOUD==0, and landscape-client won't start
[16:10] <smoser> good enough.
[16:10] <smoser> lockfile ?
[16:11] <slangasek> not sure
[16:11] <slangasek> strace?
[16:11] <slangasek> futex(0x7f06a7d1f720, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL
[16:11] <slangasek> looking pretty broken
[16:12] <smoser> oh. the other thing . the otriginal thing that lead me to thinking filesystems hadnt been emited.
[16:13] <smoser> cloud-init-config.conf hasn't run (or if it did, it didn't successfully log anything to /var/log/cloud-init.log)
[16:13] <smoser> hm..
[16:13] <smoser> i dont know
[16:13] <smoser> i'm messed up.
[16:14] <smoser> wait it did.
[16:14] <smoser> i'm sorry.
[16:15] <slangasek> smoser: so if I run lockfile-create directly under strace, it gives me this:
[16:15] <slangasek> open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY|O_NONBLOCK) = 5
[16:15] <slangasek> writev(5, [{"*** glibc detected *** ", 23}, {"lockfile-create", 15}, {": ", 2}, {"malloc(): memory corruption (fas"..., 34}, {": 0x", 4}, {"00000000023e8100", 16}, {" ***\n", 5}], 7*** glibc detected *** lockfile-create: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x00000000023e8100 ***
[16:15] <slangasek> ) = 99
[16:16] <slangasek> rather rude of it to write to /dev/tty, I think
[16:18] <smoser> cmdline has 'console=tty1 console=ttyS0'
[16:18] <smoser> and that is probably coming through a console output job i suspect
[16:18] <smoser> maybe ? trying to come up with some reason for it to be doing that.
[16:20] <slangasek> no, the console settings don't explain why it would open /dev/tty which is the generic device
[16:46] <xnox> hallyn: jdstrand: shadow with user name space support is in the archive ;-)
[16:51] <jdstrand> neat
[16:51] <jdstrand> sarnold: ^
[16:52] <sarnold> jdstrand: woo :)
[16:52] <sarnold> xnox: thanks :)
[16:52] <sarnold> hallyn: thanks :)
[16:57] <hallyn> xnox: woot, thanks!
[17:00] <xnox> that's quite a party =)
[17:01] <stgraber> yay!
[17:47] <slangasek> infinity: upstream found the plymouth problem... no prototype for ply_get_timestamp() means that the double being returned by the function plays silly buggers with the floating point state
[17:47] <slangasek> apparently we ought to be building plymouth with -Werror ;)
[17:48] <sarnold> slangasek: wow...
[17:48] <infinity> slangasek: Ah-ha.
[18:13] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dpkg -S /etc/rc6.d/S31umountnfs.sh
[18:13] <ogra_> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/rc6.d/S31umountnfs.sh
[18:13] <ogra_> does anyone know from the top of his head where that comes from ?
[18:14] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh
[18:14] <infinity> initscripts: /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh
[18:14] <infinity> ogra_: Following the symlink would help. :)
[18:14] <ogra_> oh
[18:14] <ogra_> silly me
[18:14] <ogra_> i should have looked in init.d
[18:14] <ogra_> i wonder how even it would be to divert it ... it causes issues on phones
[18:15] <ogra_> *evil
[18:15] <ogra_> (reboot hangs at times)
[18:15] <infinity> Perhaps sorting out WHY it causes problems would be good.
[18:16] <ogra_> well, we will hopefully not offer nfs cloud access via mobile data :)
[18:16] <ogra_> but yeah, if i could find that out i'd be happy as well
[18:16] <infinity> Sure, but it does a bit more than the name would imply.
[18:16] <infinity> So, it would be good to sort out what's breaking.
[18:17] <infinity> As it may also affect other LXC setups or even normal desktops in some cases, etc.
[18:17] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808502/ is the processlist of a hanging boot
[18:17] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808513/ is the tail end of syslog
[18:18] <infinity> sh -x /etc/rc6.d/S31umountnfs.sh stop ?
[18:18] <infinity> Oh, wait.
[18:18] <infinity> It's the very end that's hanging.
[18:18] <infinity> So, blame it on upstart.
[18:19] <infinity> Indeed, that's not the only initctl call that's hung.
[18:19] <ogra_> right
[18:19] <infinity> So, yeah, that's something we really should want to fix, not hackishly work around.
[18:20] <infinity> I'd recommend filing an upstart bug and poking jodh and stgraber.
[18:20] <ogra_> well, i would like to work around it for dogfooders ... indeed i did plan to research the cause and get it fixed
[18:20] <infinity> ogra_: The problem I have with workarounds is that they seem to persist for two years before anyone notices and backs them out again.
[18:20] <ogra_> heh
[18:21] <ogra_> or even become permanent
[18:21] <ogra_> for the phone stuff i have all of them in the lxc-android-config package ... and i expect the workaround part to be empty by release :)
[18:21] <infinity> Anyhow, that's pretty clearly either an upstart bug, or a self-imposed mess due to container madness.
[18:21] <stgraber> so if it's hanging on the emit for unmounted-remote-filesystems, that's because a job that's start on unmounted-remote-filesystems won't return
[18:21] <ogra_> i doubt the container is involved
[18:22] <infinity> stgraber: There's also a hung "initctl emit deconfiguring-networking" in his ps output.
[18:22] <ogra_> stgraber, why would we have such a job ?
[18:22] <infinity> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808502/ if you missed it.
[18:22] <stgraber> right, same thing, unless you call emit with --no-wait, a broken job can make the emit hang
[18:22] <stgraber> it's by design
[18:23] <infinity> I suspect that doesn't want to change to --no-wait in either case, before someone hunts down what's halting the process.
[18:23] <stgraber> so it's typically an issue with whatever job is started on that event more than upstart's fault (or maybe it's a case where we want it non-blocking, though for those two, I doubt it)
[18:23] <stgraber> yeah, I think we want those shutdown related events to be blocking as they're there to cleanly bring things down and unmount network fs before the kernel cuts the power
[18:24] <stgraber> in that ps dump, the problem appears to be dbus
[18:25] <stgraber> dbus is supposed to stop on deconfiguring-networking and based on that ps, it didn't
[18:25] <ogra_> right
[18:25] <ogra_> thats why NM respawns
[18:25] <ogra_> (in the syslog above)
[18:26] <ogra_> i dont see much in the upstart log for dbus apart from moaning about no whoopsie user being present
[18:27] <ogra_> but i think thats from startup anyway
[18:27] <stgraber> just looked a bit closer, unmounted-remote-filesystems causes networking to stop which causes deconfiguring-networking to be emitted which should cause dbus to go away and the system to shutdown
[18:28] <stgraber> so it looks like if we can figure out what's keeping dbus from stopping, the whole thing will be solved, all the blocking events will return and the system will shutdown
[18:30] <stgraber> ogra_: btw, shutdown works fine here on mako, though that's a slightly older image (I don't appear to have powerd)
[18:32] <slangasek> stgraber, ogra_: yes, those events are absolutely supposed to be blocking; the whole reason they exist is to ensure ordering of shutdown, making them non-blocking would reintroduce races :P
[18:34] <ogra_> stgraber, it mostly seems to happen on maguro and also only every nth boot
[18:34] <ogra_> though i think awe said he also saw it on mako
[18:35] <awe> ogra_, ack
[18:37] <ogra_> slangasek, into the races we have you mean ?
[18:37] <ogra_> :P
[18:38] <slangasek> ogra_: well, the standard Ubuntu shutdown scripts are race-free, so whatever races you're seeing are bugs in your stuff ;-)
[18:39] <ogra_> right, seems something keeps dbus alive
[18:39] <slangasek> keeps it alive, or respawns it somehow?
[18:40] <ogra_> hard to tell
[18:40] <ogra_> the info in the upstart dbus.log is pretty sparse, it doesnt show it respawned
[18:41] <ogra_> only moans about whoopsie absence
[18:42] <ogra_> Unknown username "whoopsie" in message bus configuration file
[18:42] <ogra_> to be exact
[18:42] <ogra_> (and indeed it is right, no whoopsie on the phones)
[18:44] <awe> ogra_, you might need to run upstart with --verbose or --debug to catch the respawning...
[18:45] <slangasek> or just run 'initctl log-priority info' after boot
[18:45] <ogra_> awe, well, i rather would think i want a verbose dbus that logs somewhere
[18:45] <slangasek> and this won't be logged to /var/log/upstart/dbus.log in any case, as that just captures the log output from dbus itself - it does not give you any information from upstart about the job respawning, etc.
[18:45] <slangasek> ogra_: which image first introduced this problem?
[18:46] <ogra_> i think tony reported it with his first test of flipped
[18:46] <ogra_> i havent seen it until today
[18:48] <slangasek> ok
[18:48] <slangasek> which devices is it seen on?
[18:48] <ogra_> maguro more often than mako
[18:48] <slangasek> ok
[18:48] <ogra_> i have never seen it on grouper
[18:49] <ogra_> oh, wait
[18:49] <ogra_> doesnt powerd use dbus ?
[18:49] <sforshee> ogra_: yes
[18:49] <ogra_> its in the processlist as well
[18:50] <slangasek> what does that have to do with the dbus shutdown being blocked?
[18:50] <ogra_> powerd has no "stop on" stanza
[18:50] <slangasek> so?  dbus shouldn't care
[18:50] <ogra_> hmm
[18:50] <slangasek> that just means dbus will stop, and powerd will be left crying in the dark
[18:50] <slangasek> it's the things that *do* have 'stop on stopping dbus' that are going to be the problem
[18:51] <ogra_> oh, right
[18:59] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# stop dbus
[18:59] <ogra_> stop: Job has already been stopped: dbus
[18:59] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ps ax|grep dbus
[18:59] <ogra_>   515 ?        Ss     0:00 dbus-daemon --system --fork
[18:59] <ogra_> ...
[19:02] <slangasek> ogra_: 'status dbus'?
[19:02] <stgraber> ogra_: that means it's busy shutting down and not stopped yet
[19:02] <stgraber> ogra_: if it was really stopped and all events processed, you'd get "stop: Unknown instance:"
[19:02] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# status dbus
[19:02] <ogra_> dbus stop/stopping, process 515
[19:03] <ogra_> ah, k
[19:03] <stgraber> right, so stuck in the stopping event as we suspected
[19:04]  * ogra_ adds some verbosity to dbus
[19:04] <ogra_> i bet now i cant reproduce the issue anymore ... :P
[19:06] <slangasek> what jobs are 'stop on stopping dbus'?
[19:08] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808713/
[19:08] <stgraber> ogra_: can you also paste a full "initctl list" when the system's stuck
[19:08] <ogra_> likely something in the session then, but i dont see anything running
[19:08] <slangasek> wow, trying to turn on -Werror for plymouth is spectacular fail
[19:09] <slangasek> why is upstream building with -Wall by default and not cleaning up the resulting warnings?
[19:09] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808716/
[19:09] <slangasek> ogra_: ofono stop/killed, process 864
[19:10] <slangasek> it's all awe's fault ;-)
[19:11] <infinity> slangasek: It seems that some people don't make the jump from -Wall to "I should fix those".
[19:12] <infinity> slangasek: I've been helping a friend off and on with his CompSci homework, where one prof insists they always build with -Wall.  The comment he got back after a few assignments was "you're the only student who actually makes sure everything builds cleanly and addresses all the warnings".
[19:12] <infinity> slangasek: Perhaps because I made him do so.
[19:12] <slangasek> :)
[19:13] <awe> my fault??  ;D
[19:13] <slangasek> awe: ofono is refusing to die on shutdown, which blocks dbus, which blocks /etc/rc6.d
[19:13] <stgraber> slangasek: well, actually it looks dead, I'm wondering if it's not a expect fork vs expect daemon issue
[19:13] <awe> sigh...
[19:14] <ogra_> i guess we could just leave it to sendsigs
[19:14] <ogra_> and pull the stop on stanza
[19:14] <slangasek> stgraber: presumably not, if ofono was working at all during the system's run
[19:14] <awe> stgraber, slangasek... there's definitely an issue with ofono & upstart that I haven't been able to debug yet
[19:14] <slangasek> ogra_: no, that's a wrong solution
[19:14]  * awe is currently doing an evil ofono merge for PIN/PUK support
[19:15] <ogra_> slangasek, well, we rip the socket out underneath it
[19:15] <slangasek> sendsigs *deliberately* skips upstart jobs that don't have a 'stop' target
[19:15] <slangasek> you want the opposite, you want to ensure the service shuts down
[19:15] <ogra_> if it needs a stop on, that should probably the container
[19:15] <awe> slangasek, I added code to ofono to exit on RILD socket errors, and was relying on upstart to respawn
[19:15] <awe> it does this once, and then seems to get confused
[19:15] <slangasek> awe: hmm, ok
[19:15] <awe> ...thinking that ofono is still running
[19:16] <slangasek> awe: my devices are not at easy reach at the moment; could you pastebin /etc/init/ofono.conf?
[19:16] <awe> ( ie. initctl status ofono returns a PID, and says it's running, when it's not )
[19:16] <awe> yea, one sec...
[19:17] <slangasek> infinity: oh, so half of these warnings are actually from the ubuntu-text plugin, teehee
[19:18] <awe> slangasek, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5808742/
[19:18] <stgraber> awe: also paste the .override
[19:18]  * awe knew someone was going to ask for that
[19:18] <stgraber> as the whole job is overriden
[19:18] <awe> one more sec...
[19:18] <ogra_> yeah
[19:18] <ogra_> the override is my fault :)
[19:19] <awe> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5808747/
[19:19] <ogra_> but that only adds a loop to wait for the socket
[19:19] <ogra_> (and a start on for the socket dir(
[19:20] <stgraber> ogra_: you know that a .override doesn't need to duplicate anything that exists in the original conf right? :)
[19:20] <ogra_> stgraber, but its much more readable to have it all in the same file
[19:20] <awe> slangasek, stgraber... the expect is correct, as if ofono is running, the correct PID/status is returned... but after the first respawn, it seems upstart gets confused
[19:20] <awe> I see this on maguro, flipped
[19:20] <stgraber> ogra_: until someone dumps a post-stop in the archive ofono.conf, then it's going to be very confusing :)
[19:21] <ogra_> stgraber, well, i have hope that we can somehow merge the jobs before release
[19:21] <awe> I checked and confirmed that ofono uses the daemon() call, so the 'expect fork' should be correct
[19:21] <stgraber> ogra_, awe, slangasek: there's the problem, look at PID: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808753/
[19:21] <ogra_> 80% of lxc-android-config is throw away stuff
[19:22] <slangasek> right, that looks like it should actually be 'expect daemon'
[19:23] <stgraber> slangasek: well, strangely enough the initial startup worked with expect fork, but the second run appears to need expect daemon
[19:23] <slangasek> hmm
[19:23] <awe> yea..that's what I originally thought too
[19:23] <slangasek> that doesn't make much sense
[19:23] <stgraber> otherwise the PID for the instance running after boot would be wrong too and the first stop would hang
[19:23] <ogra_> lovely
[19:23] <awe> that said, when upstart respawns, does that cause a double fork that's not accounted for?
[19:24] <awe> s/double/extra/
[19:24] <slangasek> well, in stgraber's example, it's not using an upstart respawn
[19:24] <awe> right...
[19:24] <slangasek> oh
[19:24] <slangasek> this is a bug that was just reported on upstart-devel
[19:24] <slangasek> Subject: upstart shell magic for exec line
[19:25] <awe> yea??
[19:25] <slangasek> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2013-June/002554.html
[19:25] <slangasek> I don't understand how a bug like that went unnoticed for as long as it did
[19:25] <slangasek> unless something regressed somewhere along the line
[19:26] <rsalveti> ouch
[19:26] <slangasek> awe: there's a one-line change proposed there (dropping line 268 of job_process.c); I haven't evaluated this, but I guess you could try it out and see what else might explode
[19:26] <awe> sure...
[19:26] <slangasek> stgraber: can you follow up on bug #1181789, please?
[19:27] <stgraber> slangasek: I think we did some changes in that part of upstart when fixing some build issues in 1.8 (or 1.7), so it's not impossible that we introduced the bug at that time
[19:29] <infinity> slangasek: is this expect daemon/fork thing new, or did I just not know about it when I tore a deamon() call out of something that was driving us insane?
[19:30] <infinity> slangasek: (And does it allow for a double-fork of 'exec shell-script-that-execs-daemon'?)
[19:30] <ogra_> it has been in the cookbook for a while
[19:30] <stgraber> slangasek: I'm fairly sure just dropping the line will cause test failures, finishing some loop-mount stuff and I'll take a look after that
[19:30] <slangasek> infinity: you apparently just didn't know about it :P
[19:31] <slangasek> infinity: exec shell-script-that-execs-daemon> there's a bug about that, I have a patch for it but I hadn't landed it because it was only useful to me if we fixed exit tracking at the same time; let me dig it up
[19:31] <awe> stgraber, slangasek, I have to head out in ~20min or so, but can test later.  Totally explains the weirdness I was seeing with my socket retry scenario
[19:31] <awe> also fyi, I'm out next week
[19:32] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, kay, if that case still doesn't work, I don't feel bad about my workaround, then.
[19:32] <stgraber> slangasek: IIRC the bug that cause that change (and introduced this bug in the process) was when your working dir contains a shell character (like the ~ in our daily builds). That was the bug that drove us insane for a couple of days a while back (upstart failing for dailies but not for distro upload)
[19:32] <slangasek> infinity: lp:~vorlon/upstart/lp.855010
[19:32] <slangasek> stgraber: right.  Can you please take care of fixing this? :)
[19:33] <stgraber> awe: well, the job is correct, once we fix upstart it'll just work (I expect the patch to be pretty easy to backport to saucy and raring).
[19:33] <awe> whew...
[19:33] <awe> cool
[19:34]  * awe spent lots of time reading, and re-reading the upstart cookbook this week
[19:34] <infinity> slangasek: I suppose shell-that-calls-daemon would be a triple-fork, which is the problem (and why it cleared up when I removed the daemon() call).  Couldn't one just allow 'expect fork' to take an integer argument, so I can say "dude, this forks 17 times, that last one's what you want"?
[19:35] <awe> lol
[19:35] <slangasek> infinity: shell-that-calls-daemon would be a triple-fork, and that won't work; shell-that-execs-daemon *should* work fine and we just need to support that; letting things fork more than twice is a total non-starter until we properly add exit tracking
[19:36] <slangasek> which is bug #530779
[19:36] <awe> and everyone on my team thought I was seeing pink elephants when I kept claiming shutdown was broken...
[19:36] <slangasek> these are not mutually exclusive
[19:36] <sergiusens> awe: I didn't, I just couldn't reproduce it anymore until today
[19:37] <stgraber> awe: well, it's only broken if ofono crashes, so fix ofono and your shutdown will work reliably :)
[19:37] <slangasek> hah
[19:37] <slangasek> stgraber: ofono is exiting because of rild, I don't think that's ofono's fault ;)
[19:37] <seb128> stgraber, when do you guys plan to update upstart?
[19:37] <ogra_> but we love pink elephants
[19:37]  * seb128 is getting tired of logout taking ages because init segfaults and apport block the logout while dealing with the issue
[19:38] <stgraber> seb128: I plan to land the fix for the respawn issue as soon as I have it but that's probably unrelated to what you're talking about
[19:38] <ogra_> seb128, come over to the phone team ... no apport here
[19:38] <ogra_> *g*
[19:39] <awe> stgraber, ofono wasn't crashing, it was exiting on purpose when the RILD socket operations returned errors while running in flipped
[19:39] <awe> this is 'cause we had no way to reliably know that RILD had started in the flipped container
[19:39] <slangasek> see, upstart should supervise rild too :P
[19:40] <awe> ;D
[19:40] <seb128> stgraber, I want http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1190526/revision/1481 in saucy ;-)
[19:40] <infinity> slangasek: Well, I'm "happy" enough with the 1-line hack we're carrying in the kernel source for now, this conversation just reminded me of it.
[19:40] <awe> well, now that chromeos an android are under the same mgmt, that's not too far-fetched...  ;)
[19:41] <slangasek> infinity: ok.  but now that I know that bug has affected more than just cups, for which it's not a complete solution, I'll probably bump it up my list
[19:41] <stgraber> seb128: I should be able to cherry-pick that one at the same time assuming I debug the other issue before we upload 1.9 to Ubuntu
[19:41] <seb128> stgraber, thank you!
[19:43] <ogra_> slangasek, well, i was asking jodh today about an upstart-container-bridge for us :)
[19:43] <slangasek> ogra_: no, that's not what I'm talking about
[19:44] <slangasek> I'm talking about rild being an upstart job that just happens to run in an android chorot
[19:44] <slangasek> chroot
[19:44] <ogra_> yes
[19:44] <ogra_> thats what i wanted that bridge to be
[19:44] <slangasek> it shouldn't be done by any bridge at all
[19:44] <slangasek> you just need an upstart job with a 'chroot' stanza
[19:44] <bregma> hey guys I'm trying to run valgrind on armhf under quemu (ie. in a pbuilder) but I always get an Out Of Memory error....  anyone else seen this?
[19:44] <stgraber> slangasek: I have a kernel patch here that'd let us do that but only for mako/manta
[19:44] <slangasek> (well, except you really need a container, but meh :P)
[19:44] <ogra_> heh, if chrooting would work that way into lxc containers
[19:45]  * awe heads out
[19:45] <ogra_> but i see what you mean
[19:45] <stgraber> slangasek: exec lxc-attach -n android --clear-env -- /system/xbin/env PATH=/system/bin:/system/xbin INSERT-YOUR-COMMAND-HERE
[19:46] <rsalveti> that would require changes in the android side as well
[19:46] <rsalveti> I'd just prefer a way to know when it's up from the android side
[19:47] <rsalveti> which you can get via properties, we just need to hook that up somehow
[19:56] <slangasek> sigh.  did firefox just change to no longer allow me to hide the tabs when I only have one tab in the window?
[19:56] <lifeless> slangasek: firefix is intent on becoming a copy of chrome
[19:57] <lifeless> slangasek: but badly; e.g. when you copy an http url it now copies it without the http://
[19:57] <lifeless> slangasek: so it looks like chrome, but behaves worse.
[19:57] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: ^^ do you know if this behavior is still controllable in ff 23? :/
[19:58] <slangasek> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2687123
[19:58] <slangasek> argh
[19:58] <slangasek> yeah, might as well switch to chrome now
[19:59] <ScottK> You might want to consider how rapidly and consistently we get security updates out first.
[20:00] <slangasek> surely it's simpler to assume that any browser is compromised
[20:01] <ScottK> That would be one way to approach it.
[20:01] <mlankhorst> that's what I assume anyway
[20:02] <debfx> lifeless: at least firefox has an about:config option to get the http:// in the location bar back
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> lifeless, i've no idea why that doesn't work for you, but it works fine here...
[20:04] <lifeless> debfx: yes, which is a saving grace
[20:04] <lifeless> chrisccoulson: let me double check then.
[20:05] <lifeless> chrisccoulson: and now my running ff makes a liar of me. NFI
[20:05] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[20:38] <ScottK> lamont: Can haz postfix 2.10.1?
[21:00] <luist> anyone familiar with multistrap?
[21:07] <lamont> ScottK: added to my weekend fun
[21:07] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks.
[21:32]  * xnox let's see if this works as well
[21:32] <xnox> lamont: Can haz util-linux 2.23.1 ?