[00:05] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/db-destroy-potmsgset-potemplate/+merge/131294
[00:05] <StevenK> wallyworld, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/deal-with-unsynched-bugwatch-comments/+merge/131293
[00:11] <wallyworld> StevenK: shouldn't test_can_delete_watch() test that the bug watch has been deleted?
[00:12] <StevenK> How do you suggest I test that something is deleted? :-)
[00:13] <wallyworld> ask the db if it is there
[00:13] <wallyworld> the doc test did it
[00:13] <wallyworld> also, what about that bug which requires the Not()
[00:13] <wallyworld> it seems the Not() is removed now
[00:16] <StevenK> That bug is marked as Fix Released
[00:16] <wallyworld> ah ok
[00:17] <wallyworld> that's a problem in general - bugs get marked as fixed but the xxxs stay in the code
[00:17] <wallyworld> maybe the bugs should have the xxxs listed
[00:17] <StevenK> wallyworld: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1303889/
[00:18] <wallyworld> that works i think, thanks
[00:18]  * StevenK fixes it so it actually works
[00:19] <StevenK> wallyworld: I like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1303891/ much better
[00:19] <wallyworld> StevenK: my brain is dumb today - how does the branch fix the issue? it seems the same query is run as before the branch?
[00:19] <StevenK> wallyworld: Today? :-P
[00:19] <wallyworld> well, more than usual
[00:20] <wallyworld> the second attempt is better yes
[00:20] <mwhudson> huh
[00:20] <mwhudson> https://dev.launchpad.net/CleaningUpOurCode talks about make xxxreport
[00:20] <mwhudson> which is a Makefile rule that exists
[00:20] <mwhudson> but doesn't work
[00:20]  * wallyworld didn't know about that report
[00:21] <StevenK> wallyworld: Right, so before the view code was using IBugWatch.getImportedBugMessages() which wanted both BugMessage.bugwatch == self and BugMessage.remote_content_id != None. The new method is IBugWatch.getBugMessages() which only checks BugMessage.bugwatch == self.
[00:21] <mwhudson> wallyworld: you reviewed the branch that deleted it :-)
[00:21] <StevenK> wallyworld: As a bonus, I refactored IBugWatch.getImportedBugMessages() to call IBugWatch.getBugMessages() to save LoC.
[00:22] <wallyworld> mwhudson: oh, right. i didn't look at the contents. the file was just moved to lp-dev-utils
[00:23] <wallyworld> StevenK: ok, thanks. obvious now. r=me
[00:24] <StevenK> wallyworld, mwhudson: I've done a drive-by to drop that Makefile target in the branch
[00:24] <StevenK> wallyworld: In the one you just reviewed, if you don't mind much
[00:25] <wallyworld> sure, np. i didn't realise the makefile target was there. curtis just said to move the files across to lp-dev-utils which i did
[00:26] <wallyworld> i'll update the wiki
[00:29] <mwhudson> There are 5244 XXX comments in revno: 16183.
[00:31] <StevenK> You're a little out of date
[00:31] <mwhudson> only a couple of days i thought?
[00:31] <StevenK> Only 5 revs, so like yesterday
[00:32] <StevenK> Sorry, 6 revs
[00:41] <sinzui> mwhudson, I think the page is somewhat outdated. I was given instructions to make it obsolete by tying all the XXXs there were about bugs to real bugs in Lp, then stop using the script
[00:42] <sinzui> That was 3 years ago I think
[00:42] <mwhudson> sinzui: yes, it all looks a bit stale
[01:17] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz db review?
[01:18] <wgrant> StevenK: Sure
[01:18] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/db-destroy-potmsgset-potemplate/+merge/131294
[01:27] <StevenK> wgrant: Should I hold off landing that until tonight?
[01:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Please do
[01:28] <wgrant> There's a bit of a queue
[01:28] <StevenK> Where a bit is 2 :-P
[01:28] <wgrant> And no rush on this
[01:31] <StevenK> https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-d79b482989c5e4175a55160a8e1aee5c
[01:31] <StevenK> 5 second translations SQL statement, and I can't work out which bit of the code is doing it
[01:32] <lifeless> StevenK: you've got the backtrace
[01:32] <lifeless> sure
[01:32] <lifeless> ly
[01:33] <wgrant> Not if it's from a resultset that's lazily evaluated later
[01:33] <StevenK> I've found the method that is directly respsonsible, anyway
[01:33] <StevenK> ITranslationsPerson.suggestReviewableTranslationFiles()
[01:33] <lifeless> wgrant: ugh true. Another reason to dislike such.
[01:34] <StevenK> Yay Storm
[01:35] <StevenK> ... This query is disgusting
[01:41] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1303986/
[01:42] <StevenK> That's with it hot, cold is something like 116 seconds
[01:43] <mwhudson> is something in there a view?  that seems surprisingly horrible
[01:44]  * mwhudson is just waiting for a backup to finish before disappearing, don'
[01:44]  * mwhudson is just waiting for a backup to finish before disappearing, don't let me distract you
[01:44] <StevenK> mwhudson: Yeah, pulled in via TranslationsPerson:+index
[01:44] <wgrant> Not that sort of view :)
[01:44] <mwhudson> StevenK: i mean database view :)
[01:45] <StevenK> Oh, no.
[01:45] <StevenK> Thankfully
[01:45] <mwhudson> also what happened here?
[01:45] <mwhudson> ORDER BY POFile.date_changed; > 0uched >= '2012-03-16 06:00:00+00:00'tor.transla
[01:45] <StevenK> That would be readline
[01:47] <StevenK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1303993/ better
[01:47] <mwhudson> ah
[01:47] <mwhudson> the query in the oops looks more horrible :)
[01:47] <mwhudson> or indeed, that one
[01:49] <StevenK> wgrant: So how do I start to work out what is causing the slowness instead of 'the whole thing' ?
[01:49] <wgrant> Well
[01:49] <wgrant> The whole thing
[01:49] <wgrant> Work out what the query is being used for
[01:49] <wgrant> Make sure Launchpad never thinks of doing it again
[01:50] <StevenK> It's a table of suggestions they could work on
[01:50] <StevenK> 'alsa-utils needs 1 string review in Spanish
[01:52] <wgrant> StevenK: First step is to get a version of that query that doesn't make one wish to be blind
[01:52] <wgrant> ie. indent it nicely
[01:53] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1304003/
[01:53] <wgrant> It burns
[01:53] <wgrant> Oh god
[01:53] <wgrant> It burns
[01:54] <wgrant> That's not indented, that's deindented.
[01:54] <StevenK> You can blame sqlformat for that
[01:55] <mwhudson> http://www.dpriver.com/pp/sqlformat.htm appears to do a better job
[01:56] <wgrant> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1304010/
[01:57] <wgrant> Although mwhudson's link isn't bad
[01:57] <StevenK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1304014/
[02:00] <wgrant> StevenK: So, what's the query trying to do?
[02:02] <StevenK> wgrant: It is trying to return a list of up to 9 projects/packages that the person could review strings on.
[02:02] <wgrant> Right
[02:43] <StevenK> wgrant: So, now that I've had lunch
[02:54] <wgrant> StevenK: Indeed
[02:58] <StevenK> wgrant: So I'm not comfortable just ripping out the functionality, but it only caused 21 OOPSes yesterday
[02:58] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd see if the query performs reasonably for any people at all
[02:59] <StevenK> wgrant: Based on the bug, it is only used if you load up your own +translations page
[03:00] <wgrant> Sure
[03:00] <wgrant> But more than that one person loads up their own +translations pages
[03:01] <StevenK> 3501ms for me, since I know my DB ID
[03:01] <StevenK> So, "No." ?
[03:01] <StevenK>               ->  Index Scan using pofiletranslator__person__pofile__key on pofiletranslator  (cost=0.00..0.97 rows=1 width=4) (never executed)
[03:02] <StevenK> Is that postgres' way of saying that I have no pofiles and so it doesn't need to index scan?
[03:02] <wgrant> Well, it never got to a point where it needed to do that scan
[03:03] <StevenK>                                        ->  Materialize  (cost=8940.46..12479.23 rows=24747 width=16) (actual time=4.288..25.864 rows=24756 loops=42)
[03:03] <wgrant> Possibly because all the pofiles were already filtered out by that point
[03:03] <StevenK> Hm, haven't seen that one before
[03:04] <wgrant> StevenK: It's used when a join can use a reasonable (ie. fits in memory) subset of a table more efficiently than the whole one
[03:05] <wgrant> So it'll fetch that subset into an automatic temporary table in RAM
[03:05] <wgrant> Once, usually
[03:05] <wgrant> Then the join can loop over that subset more efficiently
[03:06] <wgrant> So it's like a seqscan, except over a subset of the table
[03:06] <StevenK> Ah
[03:07] <StevenK> So, the whole thing is a mess, and looks like it performs horribly no matter who the person is
[03:07] <wgrant> Right
[03:07] <wgrant> I'm not sure how much better we can actually make it
[03:07] <wgrant> Given that what it's doing is fairly hideous
[03:07] <StevenK> Yeah, 3546 ms for lifeless, since his ID is so trivial
[03:08] <StevenK> wgrant: I should /+daily-builds it?
[03:08] <lifeless> it should be better than it was :)
[03:08] <wgrant> Only marginally
[03:10] <StevenK> lifeless: Yeah, I think this query is so terrible that it doesn't matter who we ask it about
[03:15] <wgrant> StevenK: Are you sure you got the right method?
[03:16] <wgrant> I don't think it's the one you mentioned
[03:16] <StevenK> Looks right to me, based on the call chain and the query
[03:17] <wgrant> StevenK: I think it's getReviewableTranslationFiles, not suggestReviewableTranslationFiles
[03:19] <wgrant> Indeed, the traceback confirms it's _review_targets
[03:22] <StevenK> Hmmmm
[03:22] <StevenK> I wonder if I've deleted too much
[03:26] <StevenK> wgrant: Is this where you say "Impossible!" ?
[03:29] <wgrant> No
[03:29] <wgrant> This is very possible
[03:29] <wgrant> There's one big simplification in getReviewableTranslationFiles
[03:29] <wgrant> Which makes things much easier
[03:30]  * StevenK calls revert a lot
[03:31] <StevenK> wgrant: Now, share?
[03:31] <wgrant> It's trying to find suggestions that the user can review, as you say
[03:32] <wgrant> But, more specifically, the relevance is based on whether they've translated in them recently
[03:32] <wgrant> The last join is a big win
[03:32] <wgrant> As it restricts the set to those pofiles for which there is a recent pofiletranslator for the person
[03:34] <StevenK> The method doesn't do that already?
[03:34] <wgrant> It does.
[03:42] <lifeless> but if you did it earlier, it might work better
[03:42] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh, you're saying we shouldn't do that join?
[03:42] <StevenK> This code isn't particularly clear to me, and my blocked sinuses are not helping matters.
[03:44] <wgrant> What lifeless said
[03:45] <wgrant> People generally translate fewer POFiles than there are POFiles in all of Launchpad
[03:45] <wgrant> s/People/A single person/
[03:45] <StevenK> IE, a CTE?
[03:45] <wgrant> So it's likely to be more efficient to work from the list of recently translated pofiles
[03:45] <wgrant> That would be a good start
[03:45] <wgrant> It'll probably require a bit more fiddling
[03:46] <wgrant> As there's a lot of joins, so it's not necessarily going to be able to optimise very well
[03:46] <wgrant> But I'd start by trying to coerce it into starting from POFileTranslator
[03:46] <StevenK> Given the function brings together the query via calling functions, this is going to be ... fun
[03:46] <wgrant> (this time I don't have a <20ms solution yet)
[03:46] <StevenK> Haha
[03:49] <StevenK> Oh ugh, trying to pull out TeamParticipation makes it all unravel, because that's JOINed via TranslationGroup which is pulled in via Project/Distribution and then POTemplate
[03:51] <wgrant> StevenK: Yeah
[03:51] <wgrant> It's a bit ugly
[03:53] <StevenK> I can see how starting from POFileTranslator.person and Translator.translator is a win, but I can't quite work out how to do that
[03:54] <wgrant> Pull it out bit by bit until it works
[03:54] <wgrant> Then try to compress it back into something that's not hideous
[03:54] <wgrant> But still works relatively quickly
[03:55] <wgrant> At this point we know the sort of plan we want
[03:55] <wgrant> We just need to convince postgres of it
[03:58] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1304155/
[04:01] <wgrant> I have a 15ms query that mostly works
[04:01] <wgrant> By "mostly works" I mean "returns some similar results but isn't actually the same thing and I haven't worked out why yet"
[04:01] <wgrant> Also it's pretty fugly
[04:03] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1304156/ is as far as I've gotten, but it's still 3150ms
[04:03] <StevenK> So better, but still terrible
[04:07] <wgrant> Oh
[04:07] <wgrant> It helps if I use productseries rather than distroseries twice
[04:08] <wgrant> But still, 30ms and it seems correct
[04:08] <wgrant> I have four CTEs: recent_pofiles, reviewable_groups, reviewable_distroseries, reviewable_productseries
[04:12] <StevenK> wgrant: Are you going to share, or do I need to rewrite my query until it matches? :-)
[04:13] <wgrant> Just checking some stuff
[04:13] <wgrant> eg. performance for other people
[04:14] <wgrant> StevenK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304165/
[04:15] <StevenK> (POTemplate.productseries, POFile.language) IN (SELECT * FROM translatable_productseries)
[04:15] <StevenK> That's pretty awesome
[04:15] <StevenK> And sneaky
[04:15] <wgrant> I try.
[04:16] <StevenK> Heh, it's as slow as the old hot query when it's cold.
[04:16] <StevenK> If that sentence makes sense.
[04:17] <StevenK> Hm, it seq scans both distroseries and distribution
[04:17] <StevenK> But they aren't large
[04:18] <wgrant> It can be indexed if needed, but those tables are so small it probably wouldn't use them
[04:18] <StevenK> The SubPlan 5 and 6 are the above awesomeness I pasted?
[04:19] <wgrant> Yeah
[04:19] <StevenK>  Total runtime: 0.543 ms
[04:19] <StevenK> For me
[04:20] <wgrant> Right, because pofiletranslator will have nothing for you
[04:20] <StevenK> Yeah, and it just skips large parts of the query
[04:20] <wgrant> Note that pofiletranslator isn't even properly indexed, but people rarely have more than 5000 rows so it's still fast
[04:21] <StevenK>                  ->  Bitmap Index Scan on pofiletranslator__person__pofile__key  (cost=0.00..5.43 rows=128 width=0) (actual time=0.056..0.056 rows=14 loops=1)
[04:21] <StevenK>                        Index Cond: (person = 6874)
[04:21] <StevenK> Looks indexed?
[04:21] <wgrant> It's indexed *enough*
[04:21] <wgrant> But it's not indexed properly
[04:22] <StevenK> Ah ha
[04:22] <wgrant>            ->  Bitmap Heap Scan on pofiletranslator  (cost=5.43..480.97 rows=6 width=4) (actual time=0.422..2.305 rows=215 loops=1)
[04:22] <wgrant>                  Recheck Cond: (person = 1780257)
[04:22] <wgrant>                  Filter: (date_last_touched >= '2012-03-16 06:00:00'::timestamp without time zone)
[04:22] <wgrant> It finds all the pofiletranslator rows for the person, then filters them by date_last_touched
[04:23] <wgrant> When it would save a couple of ms to have an index on (person, date_last_touched)
[04:23] <wgrant> And if we were on 9.2, it'd be even faster with (person, date_last_touched, pofile)
[04:23] <StevenK> Right
[04:23] <wgrant> The precise query formulation is going to become a *lot* more important when we upgrade to 9.2
[04:23] <wgrant> There's a lot of opportunity for big big wins
[04:24] <StevenK> Index only scans have you salivating?
[04:24] <wgrant> Only salivating? You underestimate me.
[04:24] <StevenK> Haha
[04:24] <StevenK> I'll leave the dirty jokes to wallyworld, he's better at them.
[04:25] <wallyworld> no i'm not
[04:26] <wallyworld> what does 9.2 offer?
[04:26] <StevenK> Mainly, index only scans
[04:26] <StevenK> IE, don't even hit the table, just pull the data straight from the index
[04:27] <wallyworld> oh very cool
[04:28] <wgrant> Right
[04:28] <wgrant> It'll make teamparticipation/APG/etc particularly fast
[04:29] <wgrant> But also lots of other things, with a bit of query tweaking
[04:29] <wallyworld> bring it on then
[05:18] <StevenK> wgrant: Holy crap, I'm down to 2 failures.
[05:21] <StevenK> AND POFileTranslator.date_last_touched >= None)
[05:21] <StevenK> Hahahaha
[05:23] <wgrant> StevenK: There were failures? :(
[05:23] <StevenK>   Ran 23 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 20.290 seconds.
[05:24] <StevenK> wgrant: Yeah, but they were all due to my Stormification of the query
[05:24] <wgrant> Ah
[05:28]  * StevenK tries to work out how to drag ITranslationsPerson.suggestReviewableTranslationFiles() into line
[05:29] <StevenK> The queries are virtually identical, the ORDER BY is different, and it uses a LEFT JOIN rather than a JOIN on POFileTranslator with the added condition of POFileTranslator.id == None
[05:32] <StevenK> Ah, no, it's a LEFT JOIN rather than a JOIN, and the TRUE that was in the guts of the old query is POFileTranslator.id == None
[05:32] <wgrant> Right, it's an antijoin
[05:33] <StevenK> Except that we've CTE'd the query within an inch of its life
[05:44] <StevenK> wgrant: I think my CTE antijoin doesn't quite work
[05:44] <wgrant> StevenK: Well, do you have a plan that should be fast?
[05:46] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm using the four CTEs of Doom with the LEFT JOIN change etc, but two tests fail, so it isn't quite right
[05:46] <wgrant> StevenK: Remember that my query is based around the assumption that there a user contributes to only a tiny subset of the full set of pofiles.
[05:52] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1304235/
[05:53] <StevenK> My guess is the LEFT JOIN in recent_pofiles is what is wrong
[05:54] <wgrant> Right, it's wrong, but even if it was right it would probably be *extremely* slow
[05:54] <wgrant> Because you'd be asking it to build a list of all pofiles that you haven't contributed to
[05:54] <wgrant> Which is not a tiny subset of the full set of pofiles
[05:54] <StevenK> At the moment, it's incredibly fast :-)
[05:54] <wgrant> So the premise of my original restructured query is broken
[05:55] <StevenK> Right, so pulling ITranslationsPerson.suggestReviewableTranslationFiles() into line is harder than I thought
[05:56] <wgrant> What's it used for?
[05:56] <wgrant> Can you see an optimisation strategy similar to the one we used for getReviewableTranslationFiles?
[05:57] <StevenK> It is used in a view to find random translation targets for review
[05:58] <StevenK> That the user hasn't contributed to
[06:00] <wgrant> Right
[06:00] <wgrant> That last line is the key
[06:00] <wgrant> We were able to heavily optimise the previous query because we could restrict the search early to just a few thousand pofiles.
[06:00] <wgrant> With this query we don't have that luxury.
[06:01] <StevenK> Indeed
[06:01] <StevenK> Let me revert the suggest bit
[06:01] <wgrant> So attempting to reuse the optimisations that worked for the last query is perhaps slightly unwise
[06:01] <wgrant> Since the base assumption of the optimisation strategy does not hold here
[07:05] <rick_h_> benji___: ping
[07:17] <benji> rick_h_: hi (I didn't hear your ping, for some reason my laptop does not beep when on battery)
[07:19] <rick_h_> benji: np, nvm though. Was going to go through and run the tests for lpsetup but wanted to check how much of my systemit would take over and should I setup a virtualenv
[07:19] <rick_h_> but going through the readme see what's up
[07:19] <StevenK> dpm: O hai, can you look at staging? The stats should be fine
[07:19] <dpm> morning StevenK, cool. Give me a minute and I'll have a look
[07:32] <benji> rick_h_: yeah, the unit tests are safe; there is a functional test that is more intrusive, but it isn't run by default
[07:32] <rick_h_> yea, the unit tests all pass fine
[07:54] <czajkowski> morning
[08:03] <StevenK> dpm: No news is good news?
[08:20] <dpm> StevenK, sorry, I was on the phone, looking at it now
[08:24] <dpm> StevenK, the stats are not 100% identical, but that's fine, as I guess there has been some translation activity in quantal in the meantime. So all looks good to me except for one thing: it seems the Contributors column hasn't been updated along with the other statistics, and it's empty
[08:26] <wgrant> The near-daily ScrubPOFileTranslator job should take care of that after a few days, I believe
[08:27] <wgrant> But we can't sensibly run that in full on staging due to resource constraints
[08:29] <dpm> in that case, it all looks good to me
[08:42] <StevenK> dpm: Excellent, thank you. I'm not really fan of running the job on prod tomorrow, how does Monday sound to you?
[08:43] <dpm> StevenK, sounds perfect to me, I wouldn't consider this to be urgent
[08:43] <StevenK> dpm: Oh, sure, but I'd like to get it off my plate. :-)
[08:43] <dpm> absolutely :)
[09:05] <cjwatson> wgrant: I've fixed the problem you spotted in redirect-release-uploads now; do you need to re-review?
[09:09] <wgrant> cjwatson: Looks good, thanks
[09:09] <wgrant> adeuring: Hi, will you have time to QA bug #1069826 today?
[09:09] <_mup_> Bug #1069826: privacy aware security adapter for IProjectGroupMilestone <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by adeuring> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069826 >
[09:10] <adeuring> wgrant: doing it right now :)
[09:10] <wgrant> Lovely, thanks
[09:14] <cjwatson> wgrant: Thanks.
[09:26] <abentley> deryck: Could you please review lp:~abentley/launchpad/beta-banner ?
[09:27] <cjwatson> abentley: I think https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/lazr.jobrunner/userErrorTypes/+merge/131248 probably needs either you or adeuring to review it, ideally, since you're the owners on PyPI?
[09:28] <abentley> cjwatson: be with you in a few minutes.
[09:28] <cjwatson> Thanks
[10:06] <abentley> cjwatson: Wow, took me a while to understand why we did that.  r=me.
[10:07] <cjwatson> Thanks.  I doubt I can land and release it. :-)
[10:08] <cjwatson> (It'll presumably want to go into lp-sourcedeps after release, too.)
[10:17] <abentley> cjwatson: You can certainly land it.  I or abel would have to release it, though.
[10:18] <abentley> cjwatson: I'll go ahead and do it all, this time.
[10:22] <cjwatson> Oh, do such things just go through PQM?
[10:22] <cjwatson> The trunk commit history all seems to be direct commits.
[10:23] <cjwatson> Ah, I'm in ~canonical-launchpad-branches.  Fair enough.
[10:23] <cjwatson> Thanks.
[10:41] <abentley> cjwatson: np
[10:42] <abentley> cjwatson: But I'm having trouble getting tests to pass, so the release may take a while.  You can generate your own tarball for now, if you want to keep hacking.
[10:43] <cjwatson> No rush, I have plenty of other stuff to do.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't blocked on me.
[11:56] <cjwatson> Eek, I broke buildbot.  (I.  Hate.  Doctests.)  Could I have a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/redirect-release-uploads-2/+merge/131383 so that I can land a testfix?
[11:57] <cjwatson> It's a one-liner.
[12:19]  * cjwatson trolls for a review of one-liner testfix https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/redirect-release-uploads-2/+merge/131383 in case the vagaries of the UDS network mean that more people can see it now
[12:25] <jml> cjwatson: approved.
[12:28] <cjwatson> jml: thanks
[12:43] <cjwatson> jcsackett: Are you likely to be able to manage your QA today?  I'm hoping that I might be able to get the branch currently working its way through buildbot deployed a bit later.
[14:07] <abentley> cjwatson: new release at http://pypi.python.org/pypi/lazr.jobrunner
[14:39] <jcsackett> sinzui: can you send me testemail.py?
[14:39] <sinzui> jcsackett, I will when qastaging is running. the schema needs patching
[14:39] <jcsackett> sinzui: aaah.
[14:52] <jcsackett> sinzui: nm, i found it in my mountains of email.
[14:52] <jcsackett> of course, still waiting on qa server.
[14:54] <sinzui> jcsackett, qastaging is back
[14:54] <jcsackett> oh sweet.
[14:56] <sinzui> jcsackett, my provider wont let me send. If you get that message, mark it qa-untestible
[15:00] <jcsackett> sinzui: yeah, i'm having the same issue.
[15:00] <jcsackett> ok, qa-untestable it is.
[15:26] <rick_h_> jcsackett: for your eyeballs if you get a sec. Kind of small https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/limit_product_types_1066904/+merge/131368
[15:33] <cjwatson> Could somebody add lazr.jobrunner 0.11 to download-cache?
[23:49] <wgrant> cjwatson: Did someone get around to that download-cache change?
[23:50] <cjwatson> wgrant: No
[23:53] <wgrant> cjwatson: I don't see 0.11 on LP
[23:53] <wgrant> I guess I'll grab it from PyPI
[23:54] <wallyworld_> wgrant: why weren't packaging components, ie universe, multiverse etc, done as a enumerated type? the code is littered with string literals 'multiverse' etc
[23:54] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Because they're not an enum, they're distro-specific config data
[23:54] <wgrant> Launchpad unfortunately retains lots of hardcoded rules for Ubuntu because it was never done properly
[23:54] <wgrant> Hence the hardcoded strings.
[23:54] <wallyworld_> ok, thanks
[23:55] <wallyworld_> i'm looking at soyuz code for the first time
[23:55] <cjwatson> one of these days ...
[23:55] <wgrant> I'm sorry for your loss.
[23:55] <wallyworld_> well, if i can understand enough to fix the bug, i'll be happy
[23:56] <cjwatson> (aka UE is not desperately keen on it being this way either, but not upset enough to demand it be fixed :-) )
[23:56] <wgrant> s/distro-specific/distroseries-specific/, even
[23:57] <cjwatson> if we ever get much further down the archive reorg then it might matter
[23:58] <wgrant> Indeed.
[23:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: lazr.jobrunner 0.11 is in download-cache
[23:59] <cjwatson> Thanks


[00:57] <hotmanta> Having problems with desktop effects causing slow response to keys and mouse scroll, anyone willing to discuss?
[01:19] <mangobandit> #opEgy!
[01:55] <JuJuBee> 	I just finished upgrading from kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and it reported an error. I opened a terminal and tried to apt-get install -f to fix things... but I get http://pastie.org/1501142
[02:05] <nabukadnezar43> anyone knows how we change font colors in mplayer?
[02:05] <nabukadnezar43> using config file
[02:32] <isaias> hi, too bad i have to uninstall kubuntu, its getting to slow for my poor machine, i really like it, but, i have no choice but to go back to my old xubuntu ;-!
[02:37] <nagi> hello, i'just installed kubuntu 10.4. I cant conf my home theater 5.1
[02:37] <nagi> someone can help me?
[02:43] <Spaztic_One> so, uh, the panel and stuff is frozen. I can still do alt-f2 to start programs (which is what I did to start irc). what is the command I need to pass through terminal to restart that aspect?
[02:43] <Spaztic_One> I know its restart, but don't know the program name
[02:44] <DarkriftX> i can never find that command when i need it either
[02:44] <DarkriftX> sometimes i just have to restart kwin
[02:45] <DarkriftX> which is kwin --replace but not sure if that will work for you
[02:45] <Spaztic_One> it says unknown job for kwin
[02:45] <DarkriftX> try in the rn command dialog
[02:46] <Spaztic_One> rn?
[02:46] <DarkriftX> run*
[02:46] <Spaztic_One> did there first, didn't do anything
[02:46] <DarkriftX> hrmmm
[02:46] <DarkriftX> you cant use a browser?
[02:46] <Spaztic_One> probably can.
[02:47] <Spaztic_One> Yep
[02:47] <Spaztic_One> can even switch workspaces
[02:47] <DarkriftX> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start <--- not sure about that
[02:47] <DarkriftX> that restarts the whole desktop manager
[02:49] <Spaztic_One> kicker is the name of it I think
[02:49] <Spaztic_One> or not
[02:49] <Spaztic_One> lol
[02:56] <Spaztic_One> just flat out did sudo restart kdm
[02:57] <DarkriftX> lol
[02:57] <DarkriftX> kicker is the panel at the bottom but i thought by "and stuff" you meant kwin also
[02:58] <DarkriftX> i think kicker --restart would have worked
[02:58] <DarkriftX> or not
[02:58] <Spaztic_One> oh, not restart kicker?
[02:58] <DarkriftX> guess this is the blind leading the blind
[02:58]  * DarkriftX shuts up
[02:58] <Spaztic_One> hahaha
[02:59] <DarkriftX> i dont really use the gui for much except for chrome and xchat
[02:59] <DarkriftX> everything else i use terminal.
[02:59] <Spaztic_One> Well, either way, you suggested restarting kdm, and that worked.
[02:59] <DarkriftX> overkill, but glad it worked lol
[02:59] <Spaztic_One> *shrugs* I'm not complaining
[02:59] <Spaztic_One> lol
[03:00] <DarkriftX> if not a "sudo reboot now" will always work lol
[03:00] <Spaztic_One> but yeah, I use the panel for monitoring my battery, cpu usage, and the time
[03:00] <DarkriftX> i have a big 4in wide panel on the right for that crap
[03:01] <Spaztic_One> but it also had a huge blurry rectangle covering the bottom right corner of my screen which kinda bothered me
[03:01] <DarkriftX> cpu/temps/disk activity/bandwidth
[03:01] <DarkriftX> oh, i get those a lot
[03:02] <DarkriftX> i get wallpaper showing thruogh my apps when a tooltip type window goes away
[03:02] <DarkriftX> have to move the window around to make it redraw
[04:10] <bliss> LIST [<channels> [<server>]]
[04:42] <hotmanta> sysinfo
[04:43] <Guest42862> i loaded the option for amarok to show vidoes but it isn't loading them ny idea?
[04:44] <hotmanta> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[04:48] <milltonerik> привет всем
[05:14] <Daskreech> !ru
[05:27] <i4ba1> excuse me
[05:27] <i4ba1> i want to join into a project on kubuntu
[05:28] <i4ba1> anybody have team?
[05:28] <i4ba1> if you don't objection, can i join?
[05:53] <Daskreech> i4ba1: sure
[05:53] <Daskreech> what would you like to do?
[06:08] <i4ba1> i like to research and coding
[06:25] <i4ba1> hello
[06:26] <susundberg> Hello
[06:26] <i4ba1> can i join in kubuntu project?
[06:31] <susundberg> sure!
[06:32] <susundberg> please see http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute
[06:34] <i4ba1> are you developer susundberg
[06:34] <i4ba1> ?
[06:35] <Daskreech> i4ba1: you can help out in #kubuntu-devel
[06:36] <susundberg> well i consider myself as a passive tester (by using developers version and reporting bugs)
[06:37] <susundberg> And i do try to give support in irc-net ;)
[06:47] <Wenzel__> Hello, I've got a problem with openDesktop and the social network
[06:48] <Wenzel__> I've put my login in system configuration
[06:48] <Wenzel__> and when I return, they 've gone
[06:48] <Wenzel__> so i can't use the community plasmoid
[06:48] <Wenzel__> I add that i don't use KWallet
[06:49] <Wenzel__> has anybody the same problem ?
[07:15] <valorie> well, kwallet is the way to store your passwords
[07:15] <valorie> if you don't want to save them, then you'll have to put them in over and over again
[07:16] <sirisha> hi I am having a problem with connecting to the internet using wifi...
[07:16] <sirisha> my os is karmic koala
[07:16] <sirisha> could u help me
[07:16] <valorie> !wifi
[07:16] <valorie> hope that helps, because I don't really know much about it, myself
[07:16] <sirisha> ok thanks will try :)
[07:37] <tech-mike> sup peeps - why does screen goto sleep/suspend while watching a movie (dragon player) ??
[07:46] <tech-mike> anybody alive
[07:53] <jhohn> !anybody | tech-mike
[07:56] <tech-mike> jhohn,  i did - "sup peeps - why does screen goto sleep/suspend while watching a movie (dragon player) ??"
[08:00] <jhohn> screensaver?
[08:03] <tech-mike> *sleep/suspend/screensaver  -- why though if im watching a video, with media playing it should not be idle timing
[08:07] <jhohn> if you use vlc, there is a setting for this
[08:09] <jhohn> or use caffeine: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1465436
[08:11] <tech-mike> vlc is a great choice - just thought id test the defaults beforing having to replace
[08:15] <DhaniJeremy> hi
[08:16] <DhaniJeremy> is there any way to install gnome desktop environment in kubuntu by using ubuntu cd?
[08:16] <Tm_T> DhaniJeremy: only if it's alternate cd
[08:17] <DhaniJeremy> ok...
[08:17] <Tm_T> DhaniJeremy: but if you have internet connection, the installation is easy
[08:17] <DhaniJeremy> is it possible to add a directory to the apt source?
[08:18] <Tm_T> no need to, simply install ubuntu-desktop package
[08:18] <DhaniJeremy> Tm_T: i think that is only if i have a fast internet connection
[08:18] <Tm_T> DhaniJeremy: how fast you got then?
[10:14] <fdg> hi
[10:14] <fdg> can anybody recommend me some math chat ?
[10:14] <fdg> because I need some quick help with calculus and matrices
[10:23] <valorie> fdg, do a /list math
[10:24] <valorie> and see what you come up with
[10:24] <valorie> or google for calculus IRC channel
[10:24] <fdg> thanks, but im new with irc can you tell me where to type the /list ?
[10:24] <tsimpson> "/msg alis list *math*" would be better
[10:24] <valorie> IRC commands use a slash as the first character on the line, followed by the command
[10:25] <tsimpson> /list math would not work
[10:25] <valorie> like /nick newnick, etc.
[10:25] <valorie> sure it does
[10:25] <tsimpson> maybe in _your_ client
[10:25] <valorie> ah, well, true
[10:25] <valorie> sorry
[10:25] <fdg> i have to type it here ?
[10:25] <tsimpson> but if you give an argument to /list, /list just shows the output for that channel
[10:25] <valorie> interesting, tsimpson
[10:26] <valorie> you can type it here if you want; we won't see it
[10:26] <fdg> yup, I tried, so where then ?
[10:27] <jhohn> fdg: /join #calculus
[10:27] <fdg> hey that was cool :)
[10:27] <fdg> thanks
[10:34] <amgarching> is there a way to tell kde to log out from the command line? Something analogous to "init 0" but after closing the session cleanly?
[10:34] <amgarching> Hi, this is KDE 4.5.3 on Ubuntu Lucid started by KDM. When I select shutdown, reboot or even log-out (end session) from a K-Menu, nothing happens. ~/.xsession-error does not show anything in these moments. Where do I start looking?
[10:34] <amgarching> some time ago I filed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/459695 At that time I solved the problem by using KDM instead of GDM.
[10:43] <Tm_T> amgarching: what happens if you press Alt-F2 ?
[10:44] <amgarching> Tm_T: k-runner or whatever the name is pops up to eneter the command.
[10:45] <bigbrovar> anyone have this issue with libreoffice taking so long to open on Kubuntu 10.10
[10:47] <Tm_T> amgarching: if you try to run "logout" in there?
[11:17] <CuBeW0rK> hi all! I have an odd question: is it possible to install KDE4 4.6 packages from kubuntu ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports to debian testing?
[11:17] <CuBeW0rK> synaptic says it can upgrade a lot packages, but in the end it says a lot will be broken and wants to remove them
[11:18] <bulldog98> CuBeW0rK: Normaly it won’t work, because kubuntu uses experimental packages and so some of the deps can’t be installed
[11:20] <CuBeW0rK> anf if I tell apt -t maverick ?
[11:21] <CuBeW0rK> too bad I badly need 4.6, but don't have time for a full system reinstall :(
[11:22] <bulldog98> CuBeW0rK: I guess that the debian team will build upon the kubuntu packaging and so they hopefully have it in a few days
[11:23] <CuBeW0rK> debian itself won't build new packages untill Lenny is not out
[11:23] <CuBeW0rK> there's  a "semi official" repository, but that updates weeks later too
[11:25] <bulldog98> CuBeW0rK: maybe in experimental?
[11:25] <CuBeW0rK> experimental still has 4.5.3 iirc
[11:25] <bulldog98> omg
[11:28] <CuBeW0rK> indeed
[11:28] <CuBeW0rK> # stable (codename lenny) KDE 3.5.10
[11:28] <CuBeW0rK> # testing (codename squeeze) KDE 4.4.5
[11:28] <CuBeW0rK> # unstable (codename sid) KDE 4.4.5
[11:28] <FloodBotK3> CuBeW0rK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:29] <CuBeW0rK> "Latest news": August 24, 2010 As Squeeze has been frozen, Debian will ship Squeeze with KDE 4.4.5. Unstable repos will have 4.4.5 too until Squeeze release. KDE 4.5.x will be available via other repo some time later.
[11:31] <agropesus> selam
[11:31] <agropesus> burada türklerde var mı ?
[11:32] <rork> !en | agropesus
[11:32] <agropesus> thanks
[11:33] <rork> agropesus: out of curiousity, which language did you use?
[11:34] <agropesus> turkhis triends
[11:34] <agropesus> friends
[11:47] <rethus> if someone here also means, s.m.a.r.t notifyer is a "must have" for KDE to warn before your HDD crash, please vote for this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254313
[11:48] <rethus> i only save my data, cause i try gnome-shell and installed gnome... first thing, that gnome notify is, that my hdd will crash soon... on KDE i never have an notify about this
[11:50] <rethus> i think... SMART notifyer is an absolutly "MustHave" for each WM
[12:16] <bertoldofonseca> is there anyone who can talk about installation files?
[12:17] <bertoldofonseca> on the kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:17] <amgarching> Tm_T: Alt-F2 + logout has no effect. This prints a new line and nothing happens: /usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0
[12:18] <Tm_T> so ye, I had similar issue some time ago, but cannot remember what it was (:
[12:20] <amgarching> http://pastebin.com/xTrhYQJ5 this is the output of "strace /usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0" I see nothing obvious
[12:20] <amgarching> Tm_T: was if starting KDE from GDM?
[12:20] <Tm_T> amgarching: no, with KDM
[12:23] <bertoldofonseca> Hi guys!!! I want to report a missing files on the server (ppa/backports)...
[12:23] <bertoldofonseca> Is there anyone here wha I can talk to?
[12:25] <Tm_T> bertoldofonseca: #kubuntu-devel might be better place for that (:
[12:28] <bertoldofonseca> thanks Tm_T
[12:56] <JuJuBee> Why is the 32 Bit version of 10.10 the one that is "Recommended" ? and not the 64 Bit?
[12:57] <yofel_> because that will work on all systems so users don't get confused about downloading an image that doesn't work on their systems. Also, it doesn't require 32bit compatibility libraries and wrapping as for flash, skype, etc.
[13:00] <JuJuBee> I see.  But if I have Core 2 with 6GB Ram I "should" use 64 Bit, correct
[13:01] <iulain> if your pc is 64 bit, yes
[13:02] <JuJuBee> OK
[13:02] <iulain> but then maybe is better dvd install i got errors with cd
[13:02] <attila-^^> ciao
[13:03] <iulain> hi
[13:03] <james147> JuJuBee: you dont `have` to... as far as I know you can access all 6 gigs of ram on a 32bit kernel (though it needs spical options set), but each application can use more then 3-4 gig of ram... on the other hand, 64bit is simpler :)
[13:04] <james147> iulain: dvd just contains more packages... no point in using it unless you want to install it on something wiht no internet... best to use the alternitive if your having problems with the cd
[13:05] <iulain> mno idea maybe on cd some files missin thats why is recomended check md5 but...
[13:06] <JuJuBee> I tried the upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 last night and something didn't go so well... Gonna do clean install now... things are a bit wonky
[13:06] <james147> JuJuBee: what went wrong?
[13:08] <JuJuBee> james147: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1676257
[13:10] <alexmaco> hello everyone; i've got a small question: where exactly (filesystem location and kubuntu packet if possible) is the default air theme for plasma stored?
[13:10] <alexmaco> not air-netbook, but the plain default air
[13:10] <alexmaco> i haven't been able to locate it with find (don't know what to look for exactly)
[13:16] <Guest51481> Hello! Who can help me? Why i cant move files on desktop (manual sort) KDE SC 4.6?
[13:17] <Guest51481> Widget "Folder view"
[13:17] <james147> alexmaco: probally /usr/share/apps/desktoptheme/
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:18] <james147> alexmaco: ^^ seems to be the "default" one for me (name is in the metadata.desktop in each of the theme folders)
[13:19] <james147> Hey BluesKaj
[13:20] <Goliath> hi
[13:20] <Goliath> i installed the new kde. in kmix i pressed a little x button and when i bring it up now, the screen is gray (no volume bars appear) How can i fix it?
[13:21] <Guest51481> people help please....
[13:21] <james147> Guest51481: hmm, dont see a "manual sort" here, "unsorted" is there though... and can move them. have you tried removing the folder view and readding it?
[13:21] <james147> Guest51481: Give us time :)
[13:22] <alexmaco> james147: thanks, found it (was /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme)
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Goliath, make sure alsa-base and alsa-utils are installed
[13:22] <james147> alexmaco: yeah, thats probally it (sorry, currently on my arch box so my paths are a little different
[13:23] <Goliath> BluesKaj: its ok
[13:23] <Goliath> i just pressed an x that removed the hda intel device from kmix
[13:23] <james147> Guest51481: (although i am still on rc2, so think might... although unlikly... have changed... will update now and see if anything is different
[13:23] <Guest51481> until this time everything was normal. now I can `t the mouse to drag the labels on the widget"Folder View"
[13:24] <james147> Guest51481: ^^ have you removed and readded the widgeT?
[13:24] <Guest51481> yes
[13:25] <james147> Guest51481: then could you create a new user and see if it works for them?
[13:25] <Guest51481> its not work
[13:25] <Guest51481> ok, now try
[13:27] <Goliath> so i pressed the x near the new tab button in kmix,  and the screen in kmix is gray. how can i fix it?
[13:27] <james147> Goliath: try adding a new tab again
[13:27] <Goliath> the button is missing now
[13:28] <Goliath> for the new tab
[13:28] <james147> Goliath: :S
[13:28] <Goliath> james147: is there any way to restore kmix defaults?
[13:28] <iulain> try reinstall kmix
[13:28] <Goliath> i did that also
[13:28] <Goliath> didnt fix it
[13:28] <Goliath> the settings are saved somewhere
[13:28] <Goliath> maybe in my home dir
[13:28] <james147> Goliath: you can try resetting kmix settings by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc
[13:29] <Goliath> james147: can i just remove that?
[13:29] <james147> iulain: reinstall shouldnt be need, or help at all, if its a user level config problem
[13:29] <iulain> ful remove package setiings is in config files
[13:29] <james147> Goliath: you can
[13:29] <james147> Goliath: (renaming backs it up however)
[13:29] <Guest51481> with new user works normal...
[13:29] <iulain> then install kmix again
[13:30] <opade13> is there a way to restore bootsplash in ubuntu 10.4
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Goliath, I don't bother with kmix, alsamixer is easier more flexible and overides all kmix settings anyway
[13:30] <james147> ^^ so its best to rename and delete later if all went well (though its only kmix ;) )
[13:30] <Goliath> james147: should i reinstall package after i remove the file?
[13:31] <james147> Guest51481: then its probally also a bad config file :) you can reset plasma-desktop to its default settings by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*  (all files begining with plasma that is)
[13:31] <james147> Goliath: no
[13:31] <iulain> yes but make sure you have backup copy to this file
[13:31] <Guest51481> ok thanks
[13:31] <james147> Goliath: kmix will create it if it dosent exist on next run
[13:31] <james147> Goliath: "killall kmix && kmix" should restart it
[13:32] <iulain> try full remove config files also with synaptic first
[13:32] <james147> Goliath: iulain: Re installing kmix will do NOTHING... its jsut a user level config problem
[13:32] <james147> Goliath: rename that file i told you to and restart kmix, or log out and back in
[13:33] <Goliath> k
[13:33] <iulain> yes but some copmponenets of missing drivers is saved in config files
[13:33] <Goliath> let me try it
[13:33] <KyranBe> hey, does anyone know if there is a ppa which provides the lion mail plasmoid?
[13:33] <james147> iulain: why does kmix care about missing drivers for a closed tab?
[13:34] <james147> iulain: best to do the safer and easier option of remiving a userlevel config before reinstalling anything
[13:35]  * james147 notes that a reinstall is rarly required in linux... at most a reconfig should fix it (sudo dpkg-reconfigure <package> .. but that wont help here since its a suerlevel config which dpkg wont touch)
[14:08] <skramer_> hi everybody, I'm on Kubuntu 10.10 with latest KDE SC 4.6. Aptitude says that I have an obsolete or self-created package "hotkey-setup". Is this package really obsolete, which one replaced it?
[14:09] <skramer_> the system was upgraded at least since Kubuntu 8.10
[14:09] <JuJuBee> I downloaded the 10.10 64Bit iso and tried to boot, but every time I boot, it goes to the (initramfs) prompt stating an error mounting /dev/Loop0
[14:09] <JuJuBee> Am I better off with the Alternate CD?
[14:10] <JuJuBee> I have never needed to use Alternate before.
[14:10] <james147> JuJuBee: run the cd check
[14:10] <james147> JuJuBee: and check the md5sum of the iso
[14:10] <JuJuBee> ok, let me go stick it back in a machine...
[14:11] <JuJuBee> Where on site is the md5?
[14:12] <james147> JuJuBee: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[14:12] <JuJuBee> Ah, way at the bottom...
[14:13] <JuJuBee> md5 checks out
[14:14] <Goliath> hey i installed the new kde+kernel and i get an error msg on login saying: an audio device (alc888) seems to have been removed (Input&output). How can i fix that?
[14:14] <james147> JuJuBee: then run the cd check
[14:27] <JuJuBee> james147: CD Check's ok
[14:28] <james147> hmm
[14:29] <james147> JuJuBee: well, you could try burning it again, but I do not know if it will help (or better yet, install it to a flash drive with usb-creator) or you can try the alternitive cd
[14:31] <JuJuBee> I never used usb-creator.  Can I do that directly from the iso?
[14:32] <james147> JuJuBee: usb creator will install a *ubuntu iso to a flash drive to make a live usb
[14:32] <james147> !liveusb
[14:33] <JuJuBee> Hmmm can I use the persistent one to do installs?
[14:35] <james147> JuJuBee: yeah, just means it saves settings to the usb
[14:35] <james147> but other wise acts as the livecd
[14:43] <zbyszek> hy
[14:43] <zbyszek> any speek??
[14:43] <JuJuBee> james147: done with usb, rebooting.  Thanks for the tips... be back later... with good news hopefully...
[15:20] <rogerlays> :)
[15:48] <rtdos> i have a 6.04 desktop that does not have access to the internet (so i'm not as concerned about security updates) - is there a way to install software from the repositorie archives using only a CD?
[15:58] <genii-around> rtdos: Do you mean Dapper ( 6.06 ) or Jaunty ( 9.04 ) ?
[16:02] <ecinx> it looks like my bigger disk partition which i set up for home isn't being used, while the small one is fillign up
[16:02] <ecinx> how do I fix this
[16:05] <james147> ecinx: is the home drive listed in /etc/fstab
[16:09] <seme> hey guys... I've enabled the kubuntu backports ppa but after doing a refresh it only shows me the kde 4.5 updates... do I have to enable Pre-release or Unsupported updates to get kde 4.6
[16:10] <Space_Man> rtdos: you may be able to add the cdrom to the repository sources list
[16:21] <JuJuBee> james147: Finally got 10.10 installed from the disc t hat wasn't working.  The USB just hung and the alternate had errors..
[16:22] <ucenik26> iojfsd]f
[16:22] <ucenik26> fipdsjf
[16:22] <ucenik26> sao]pdjkas
[16:22] <ucenik26> f
[16:22] <ucenik26> sads
[16:22] <FloodBotK3> ucenik26: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:22] <ucenik26> adsa
[16:22] <ucenik26> d
[16:22] <ucenik26> sad
[16:26] <iulain> do you got these errors after retstart
[16:26] <iulain> restart*
[16:28] <Freyr> is there a way to install vlc 1.1 on 10.04 (not installing from ppa) ?
[16:28] <Freyr> *10.04LTS
[16:30] <james147> Freyr: you can always compile from source
[16:30] <james147> ^^ though that breaks the idea of an LTS... since your no longer using super stable stuff :p
[16:31] <Freyr> james147:thanks.
[16:38] <rtdos> genii-around: Dapper (6.06) - i have kubuntu installed on a machine with only 128Meg RAM & 700MHz Celeron CPU and 12G Hard Drive (very very low specs). it was mainly a windows 98se machine but now i use it mainly for games (mostly text based) and to practice shell scripting. it does not have internet access and upgrading to a newer distro would be pointless on this machine.
[16:38] <rtdos> where would i d/l the archived packages / repositories for 6.06 ?
[16:50] <genii-around> rtdos: Apologies on lag, work required me. You can use a cdrom as a repository by adding it with apt-cdrom, or by making a manual entry in sources.list . As for trying to download the entire repository, you're looking at about 30-35Gb. Also it's not archived yet because 6.06 server is still active and supported
[16:51] <rtdos> sorry, i'm trying to do 2 things here at once: i'm not looking at downloading the whole repository, just certain packages.
[16:52] <JuJuBee> After fresh intsall of 10.10 I have no audio it seems.  Any help?
[16:54] <JuJuBee> !audio
[16:55] <james147> JuJuBee: run "alsamixer" see if any of the chanels are muted
[16:56] <JuJuBee> just front mic
[17:05] <genii-around> !info apt-offline dapper
[17:05] <genii-around> Hm
[17:23] <Goliath> should i use qt4 or qtcurve as gtk theme in kde?
[17:34] <Goliath> hey is there a package for kde, that partially lights up the windows at taskmanager when  you hover over them with your mouse?
[17:37] <krabador> when the daily build with kde 4.6.0 stable?
[17:38] <mantas_Newbie> Hi, does anyone know why when I am trying to open presentation file with openoffice the system logs off?
[17:43] <mantas_Newbie> is it possible to fix open office?
[17:47] <james147> mantas_Newbie: could you try creating a new user and testing it with them
[17:55] <mantas_Newbie> ok ill try
[17:57] <mantas_Newbie> @james147 btw.. the thing is that i can create a new file... but i cant open saved one.
[17:58] <iulain> do you have added any script ?
[18:06] <92AAB8HU9> james147 the same with new user
[18:07] <iulain> ok tell us system log off or just cant safe file ?
[18:08] <92AAB8HU9> i downloaded presentation from internet.. and i just cant open
[18:08] <92AAB8HU9> it
[18:08] <92AAB8HU9> it loads file for a few seconds
[18:08] <92AAB8HU9> and when system logs off
[18:08] <92AAB8HU9> and my name changed:/
[18:10] <iulain> ok do you have added any script ?
[18:10] <mantas_Newbie> no
[18:10] <iulain> ok
[18:10] <mantas_Newbie> i dont play with scripts atm
[18:11] <mantas_Newbie> cuz exam period;) and i cant risk with that:D
[18:11] <iulain> maybe saved files is just virtual saved and when log off after this they gone
[18:11] <mantas_Newbie> but i dont save
[18:12] <mantas_Newbie> i donwload
[18:12] <iulain> ummm...
[18:12] <mantas_Newbie> i think i will come to this problem later..
[18:13] <mantas_Newbie> maybe now i should instal microsoft office to virtual machine?
[18:13] <iulain> no no
[18:13] <mantas_Newbie> as i need to study whole night for tomorrows exam:/
[18:13] <mantas_Newbie> i have windows xp on virtualbox
[18:13] <mantas_Newbie> so maybe it wont take much time just to instal office
[18:15] <james147> mantas_Newbie: you can try koffice, also make sure you are upto date.
[18:16] <james147> can you open files you have saved?
[18:16] <mantas_Newbie> i didnt try i didnt need it yet
[18:16] <mantas_Newbie> now i just need lesson presentation;)
[18:19] <mantas_Newbie> i will try koffice if it doesnt work... i think im going to windows this time
[18:20] <mantas_Newbie> mantas_Newbie@ testing
[18:25] <Elipse> algum progamador C?
[18:26] <nerio> !ciao
[18:26] <nerio> !list
[18:27] <nerio> !list
[18:28] <nerio> !ciao
[18:28] <nerio> !hallo
[18:28] <Pici> !it | nerio
[18:30] <ubuntu> hello, did I set this up right?
[18:30] <ubuntu> crud how do I change my name in this...
[18:30] <DarthFrog>   /nick <nick>
[18:30] <gaurdianAQ> thank you
[18:31] <gaurdianAQ> I don't use irc very often so I'm not very knowledgeable...
[18:31] <gaurdianAQ> So is there any chance someone here might be able to help me with some grub issues...
[18:31] <DarthFrog> It's more important to have fun.
[18:32] <gaurdianAQ> Also I hope I wasn't intruding on anyones conversation...
[18:34] <james147> !ask | gaurdianAQ
[18:36] <gaurdianAQ> Anyways what I was hoping I could get help with, is recently I switched back over from windows, to linux... I was planning on setting up a dual boot, but I forgot that the simpler way to do it would have been to install windows first and then kubuntu after so that grub picks up windows, but I forgot since it's been a while and I installed windows after, now grub has been overwritten... How hard would it be to reset up grub without wiping kubuntu off and
[18:36] <gaurdianAQ> reinstalling... or would it just be better to reformat, I hadn't yet installed many programs so it wouldn't be to much of a hassle.
[18:37] <DarthFrog> gaurdianAQ: This channel is frequently inactive for hours at at time.  It's also the nature of IRC that multiple conversations can be going on simultaneously.  To continue a thread, preface your comment with the nick of the intended recipient, as I've done for you in this one.
[18:37] <DarthFrog> gaurdianAQ: It's pretty easy to do what you describe.
[18:38] <gaurdianAQ> DarthFrog: Alright and sorry for asking to ask a question
[18:38] <gaurdianAQ> DarkFrog: Did I do that right? lol I feel like such a noob...
[18:38] <DarthFrog> gaurdianAQ: We were all newbies once.
[18:38] <DarthFrog> !grub | gaurdianAQ
[18:38] <james147> !grub2 | gaurdianAQ
[18:39] <james147> ^^ thats probally the one you want :)
[18:39] <DarthFrog> As usual, james147 is correct. :-)
[18:39]  * james147 notes they share the link you want anyway...
[18:39] <gaurdianAQ> Ok then I wasn't sure if Ubuntu had switched over to grub2, I remember reading somewhere that not all distros had switched
[18:40] <DarthFrog> gaurdianAQ: Kubuntu was one of the first to use GRUB2.
[18:42] <gaurdianAQ> DarthFrog: Really, well I was using Ubuntu before, but when I realized installing 64 bit was a bad idea I decided to give KDE a try, I g2 admit I'm loving KDE over GNOME, so DarthFrog, when I'm typing does the message appear with the orange background as it does for me when you type to me?
[18:45] <gaurdianAQ> @DarthFrog: Thanks guys, I'll check this out after lunch, I'm gonna sign off this now.
[18:45] <gaurdianAQ> @james147: Thanks for your help as well!
[18:46] <nerio> !Ciao
[18:46] <nerio> !List
[18:47] <ChessTeach> Why does ubuntu not have the latest versions in the package manager?
[18:47] <nerio> eh?????
[18:47] <mika__> hi, are the kmail address books working for you? i've some address books in kaddressbook, but kmail doesn't show any address of them when i try to send an email..... should i have to install some extra packages?
[18:47] <ChessTeach> I am trying to insall postgresql and the package manager think the latest verion was 8 something when they are on 9
[18:48] <nerio> :(
[18:48] <nerio> ???????
[18:48] <ChessTeach> nerio: are those ?s directed at me?
[18:49] <nerio> non capisco
[18:49] <mika__> nerio: non ci sono file da scaricare qui
[18:50] <nerio> scusa mi dici dove trovo i file per scaricare?
[18:50] <mika__> nerio: http://kubuntu.org
[18:51] <rapidsp> hey, kde 4.6 from backports upgrades without troubles? :)
[18:53] <ChessTeach> rapidsp: thanks
[18:54] <rapidsp> ChessTeach: that was a qustion :)
[18:54] <ChessTeach> rapidsp: heh... i am on another channel as well and they told me to look in backports....solved the issue
[18:54] <rapidsp> jr i didnt understand :)
[18:54] <rapidsp> *or
[18:55] <rapidsp> i remember upgrade to 4.5.4.... :)
[18:57] <rapidsp> ok, i'll try
[19:15] <pickabuntu> hello
[19:15] <pickabuntu> if i partition ubuntu
[19:16] <pickabuntu> if i partition my hard drive into ubuntu and windows, then can i access my windows partition in ubuntu
[19:16] <pickabuntu> ???
[19:16] <james147> pickabuntu: yes, ubuntu can access ntfs drives
[19:17] <pickabuntu> thank you i couldn't get into ubuntu - i didn't get to say hello....
[19:17] <james147> pickabuntu: however, windows cannot access ext drives :( so you cannot see your ubuntu partiton from windows (and it may ask you to formate it if you can see it :p i suggest you ignore that warning from windows)
[19:18] <pickabuntu> i hate windows. mine has a virus. I making the switch. thank you
[19:22] <pickabuntu> hello james147
[19:22] <james147> Hello pickabuntu
[19:23] <pickabuntu> so here is the plan. i partition my hard drive to put ubuntu on it. then, i get access the windows partition section and back-up any stuff i can. then, i install ubuntu with no partitions. my windows partition has a vrus, and i am so fed up with it. Would it work....
[19:24] <pickabuntu> *i get access the windows partition section from ubuntu
[19:25] <DexterF> hi
[19:25] <pickabuntu> hello
[19:25] <DexterF> anyone know a ppa with vdpau enabled kaffeine-kde3 for 10.10?
[19:26] <james147> pickabuntu: I would back up any stuff you need onto an external media (flash drive or cd) then install ubuntu and copy the stuff back across assuming its not that much and you no longerr want windows. If there is allot of stuff then it becomes tricker
[19:27] <geetee> hi. are there any ppa's with packages for kdevelop 4.2 (final) for 10.10? I want to upgrade to KDE 4.6 but need Kdevelop for work and don't want to break it.
[19:28] <pickabuntu> yes. there is. the virus is slowing it down, so much so that i cannot access copy and paste. It takes half an hour for the right click to load and then to press copy freezes the windows!
[19:28] <pickabuntu> the window
[19:29] <james147> pickabuntu: you can back up stuff from a ubuntu live cd
[19:29] <klux> hello
[19:29] <klux> i have installed kbuntu
[19:29] <klux> im using it but i have a problem
[19:29] <james147> pickabuntu: if you boot into the full desktop rather then just running the installer
[19:30] <klux> can someone help me?
[19:30] <james147> !ask | klux
[19:30] <klux> i am using WIFI internet
[19:30] <klux> that blue light on my laptop is turning off and on
[19:30] <klux> why is that?
[19:30] <klux> blue light = shows that wifi is connected
[19:30] <klux> its repeatedly turning off and on
[19:30] <james147> klux: does the connection work?
[19:30] <klux> yes
[19:30] <klux> its working
[19:30] <klux> i am connected now from it
[19:30] <FloodBotK3> klux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:30] <james147> klux: then ignore the light...
[19:30] <klux> but its constantly changing colors like red/blue/red/blue
[19:31] <klux> but it will spoil the  laptop, wont it? Red light means its turned off.. its constantly changing to red and then blue again
[19:31] <james147> klux: my old laptop the light didnt come on at all :p
[19:31] <klux> you sure it wont spoil my wifi ?
[19:31] <james147> klux: if the connection is fine and not dropping out then its probally just a buggy driver playing with the lights
[19:32] <pickabuntu> what do you mean by "live cd" : http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook
[19:32] <james147> klux: and my current one the light dosnt turn off at all :p
[19:32] <klux> how to fix this buggy driver
[19:33] <klux> connection lags though
[19:33] <klux> its lagging alot
[19:33] <james147> pickabuntu: ubuntu uses a "live cd" as its installer, and lets you either boot into a full desktop on the disk, or run the installer and install it to a disk (or you can install it from the desktop)
[19:34] <pickabuntu> ok so if i boot into a full destop, then would it give me the option to back up by files
[19:34] <james147> pickabuntu: it lets you try out the system before installing it...  as well as backup anything you need to or prepare anything else you might need to before installing
[19:34] <james147> pickabuntu: no, but it will allot you to access your files and you can back them up manually
[19:35] <klux> james147:  can u help me sir
[19:35] <pickabuntu> oh, ok.....
[19:35] <james147> !wireless
[19:36] <james147> klux: dont know much about them sorry :p
[19:36] <pickabuntu> at least that would be faster than slow windows
[19:36] <klux> ok
[19:36] <klux> do u know any avs for linux
[19:36] <klux> this is my first hour on linux
[19:36] <james147> avs?
[19:36] <james147> antivirus?
[19:36] <james147> !av
[19:39] <james147> klux: ^^ so you really dont need one, even if you have a windows computer i would suggest jsut having the av on that rather then kubuntu as well  :)  why should linux have to protect windows from its own stupidity
[19:43] <pickabuntu> what about backing up driver names
[19:43]  * BluesKaj is tempted to dump windows after yesterdays probs with makware
[19:43] <BluesKaj> malware
[19:43] <james147> pickabuntu: driver names?
[19:44] <james147> pickabuntu: ubuntu should have most if not all the dirvers you need out the box, and if not run "Hardware Drivers" from the menu.... though it might eb called something different in ubuntu
[19:45] <james147> ^^ that will install all the needed drivers for closed source drivers
[19:45] <pickabuntu> well once i put ubuntu on there properly and i want to switch back, so i put a bootable xp cd in there, with all the driver names deleted, i wouldn't be able to run wireless internet on xp                   SOURCE: (tried with osx86)
[19:46] <james147> pickabuntu: then i suggest that if you decide to switch back that you down load the windows drivers on ubuntu first... you should be able to google the make of your laptop to get the drivers you need
[19:47] <pickabuntu> good advice.
[19:47] <pickabuntu> thank you
[19:47] <pickabuntu> (why didn't i think of that...)
[19:47] <james147> or if not ^^ "lspci" should list your chipsets which should lead you to the drivers (though googling your laptop model is easier)
[19:53] <kt_> someone help me man
[19:53] <kt_> james how can i update my ubuntu complete
[19:53] <kt_> like theres a window update in windows, what is in linux?
[19:55] <james147> kt_: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[19:55] <kt_> kubunto
[19:55] <kt_> kubuntu
[19:55] <kt_> and how can i get the most fancy graphics in it
[19:55] <james147> kt_: run "kpackagekit" and go to the software updates tab (or you can get to it via system settings)
[19:55] <dmatt> anybody updated to 4.6 from 4.5.5? experiences?
[19:57] <kt_> ok
[19:57] <kt_> and tell me about some cool things i should download for kbuntu
[19:58] <kt_> i heard linux has very good graphics n blah blah
[19:58] <kt_> i cant see anything better than windows
[19:58] <james147> kt_: that depends on what you define as "good graphics" ... kde has some nice desktop effects
[19:58] <kt_> what is kde?
[19:59] <james147> kt_: kde is the desktop interface when kubuntu uses
[19:59] <kt_> a friend told me download nvidia drivers from their site
[19:59] <kt_> but he is offline now
[19:59] <james147> kt_: dont
[19:59] <james147> the ones in the repos work better most of the time
[20:00] <james147> you can install the closed source ones by opening "hardware drivers" from the menu (or run jockey-kde)
[20:00] <james147> ^^ that is the recomended way and easiest way to install the drivers
[20:01] <kt_> lol
[20:01] <kt_> i am so upset man
[20:01] <kt_> i cant get this wireless thing fixed
[20:01] <kt_> can u tel me about some good drivers for wireless in kubuntu ? ill download them
[20:01] <james147> kt_: you already have them..
[20:02] <kt_> no its auto windows one
[20:02] <kt_> i was using win7
[20:02] <kt_> and now i installed this on dualboot
[20:02] <james147> kt_: kubuntu wont use the windows drivers...
[20:02] <kt_> so i think its that one
[20:02] <kt_> tell me some other good driver
[20:02] <kt_> tell me about the best kubuntu wireless driver
[20:02] <james147> kt_: it has its own that it automatically installs
[20:02] <kt_> iwlagn is current one
[20:02] <james147> kt_: the best one is the one kubuntu installed...
[20:02] <kt_> how can i update this particular driver?
[20:03] <kt_> maybe that will help
[20:03] <kt_> current driver is iwlagn how to update it
[20:03] <james147> you can do that from kpackagekit when you update your system...
[20:03] <kt_> how
[20:03] <kt_> how can i do that?
[20:03] <kt_> cant i type osme command in run that will do it?
[20:03] <kt_> for this specific driver
[20:03] <alaa_> hello,.....i was wondering will kubuntu ever get the "sync folders to ubuntu one" like ubuntu and nautilus has ?
[20:03] <james147> if you ahve already updated your system then it should already be uptodate
[20:04] <james147> !ubuntuone
[20:04] <james147> :p
[20:04] <james147> alaa_: there was a program developed to do that, but it wasnt working very well the last time i tried it
[20:04] <kt_> well sir
[20:04] <james147> afraid i dont know its current state
[20:05] <kt_> why dont utell me about other drivers available
[20:05] <kt_> ill try them
[20:05] <alaa_> hm,... :(
[20:05] <james147> kt_: as I said, you have the best ones...
[20:05] <kt_> just tell me the other ones
[20:05] <kt_> and let me try
[20:05] <kt_> sometimes the best are not ideal for use
[20:06] <james147> kt_: it highly depends on your wireless card... and mostlikly there will only be one set for your card (which you probally already have)
[20:06]  * james147 suggest the oldschool solution of taping over the led :D
[20:06] <kt_> i shall be thankful if u just name the drivers
[20:07] <james147> kt_: I cannot... they vary from card to card...
[20:07] <james147> since i have no clue what card you have i cannot "name" a driver
[20:07] <kt_> wireless 802.11
[20:07] <kt_> how can i tell u the name of my card
[20:07] <kt_> where is it writen? tell me so i can tell u
[20:07] <james147> kt_: all wireless cards are "wireless 802.11"
[20:08] <kt_> how to know the specific name which u want
[20:08] <james147> run in konsole "lspci | grep -i network" and pastebin the result
[20:08] <kt_> tell me where can i find that so i can check it
[20:09] <kt_> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[20:09] <james147> kt_: intels cards are open source and you already have the -only- ones i know of
[20:09] <kt_> :(
[20:10] <kt_> plz can u search one for me
[20:10] <kt_> a different one
[20:10] <kt_> i dont know what to search
[20:10] <kt_> im googling from hours, still no luck :o
[20:10] <james147> kt_: no... since i dont think there will be any... and if there are then I doupt they will work/could be a security problem
[20:10] <kt_> ill try it
[20:10] <kt_> if it didnt ill leave it
[20:10] <kt_> plz help me
[20:11] <james147> kt_: intel open sourced its drivers so everyone uses them... there is no need for "other" drivers
[20:11] <kt_> but this driver is not serving my purpose
[20:11] <kt_> i better get another one na
[20:14] <kt_> what do u think about http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
[20:14] <rapidsp> upgrade to 4.6 was with little trouble
[20:14] <kt_> how?
[20:14] <kt_> 4.6 what?
[20:14] <rapidsp> i had purge/install kdm...
[20:15] <rapidsp> cant found csome theme...
[20:15] <james147> kt_: thats already in kubuntu...
[20:17] <james147> kt_: http://alexcabal.com/stop-blinking-intel-wifi-led-on-ubuntu-karmic/
[20:18] <kt_> i cant see the first command
[20:18] <kt_> what is it plz?
[20:18] <jschall> I have a suspend problem with my nvidia 8800GTS. When I resume, the graphics are slow (I get about 1/5th of the framerate in games.) Any ideas?
[20:18] <kt_> thee create problem
[20:19] <kt_> whats the create complete command plz? lemme know
[20:19] <james147> kt_: sudo nano /etc/network/if-up.d/wifi-led-noblink
[20:19] <james147> kt_: and the second one after you edit the file is sudo chmod u+x /etc/network/if-up.d/wifi-led-noblink
[20:20] <james147> kt_: and the one in the updated part is  sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/wlan.conf
[20:23] <kt_> it says permission DENIED
[20:23] <kt_> when i do options iwclore led_mode=1
[20:23] <kt_> it says permission denied
[20:23] <kt_> now?
[20:24] <kt_> plz?
[20:24] <james147> kt_: ^^ are you copying that into the file rather then running it?
[20:24] <kt_> how to run it
[20:25] <james147> kt_: you dont, you copy it into the file  /etc/modprobe.d/wlan.conf
[20:25] <james147> kt_: then restart you network
[20:25] <kt_> i typed the first 3 commands
[20:25] <kt_> now i msut restart?
[20:25] <kt_> i was doing the below shit also lol
[20:25] <james147> ^^ or rather you computer (or unload and reload the drivers)
[20:26] <kt_> ok wait let me restart network
[20:26] <kt_> i must restart laptop?
[20:26] <hagorath_> do someone know, how to pair with devices without pin?
[20:26] <hagorath_> (bluetooth)
[20:26] <alaa_> any ideas how to make kubuntu a semi-rolling release distro (aside from saving PPA's to packagekit,...etc) ?
[20:28] <james147> alaa_: ... why? it will be more effort then its worth...
[20:28] <james147> alaa_: you may as well install an actuall rolling release distro
[20:29] <alaa_> yeah am running sabayon on a VM atm,... but it seems its kinda lacking packages...
[20:29] <alaa_> so am sticking with ubuntu/kubuntu for now
[20:30] <alaa_> and i did try arch but heard that its kinda hassle to install KDE on it,....so am too lazy to try it out
[20:30] <james147> alaa_: you could try arch linux, they have allot of packages... that is if you dont mind configuring your system from the ground up ;)
[20:30] <james147> alaa_: heh, running arch here with kde... wasnt any hassel
[20:31] <kt_> help me
[20:31] <kt_> its not working
[20:31] <kt_> still same
[20:31] <alaa_> pacman -S KDE kdm,...etc ?
[20:31] <alaa_> no kdemod ?
[20:31] <james147> kt_: if you having speed issues you can try http://www1.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9831101&postcount=10 (though i doute it will fix the leds)
[20:31] <pickabuntu>  does ubuntu destop have unity
[20:32] <alaa_> yes but its still development
[20:32] <pickabuntu> ok,
[20:32] <alaa_> in*
[20:32] <james147> alaa_: installed kde-meta and it worked... maby something else, i forget... jsut followed the kde entry on arch wiki.... however this is way offtopic and i suggest you join me in #archlinux or and offtopic :)
[20:32] <pickabuntu> is there going to be a release coming soon for ubuntu
[20:33] <iulain> kt: see there http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1524950.html
[20:33] <pickabuntu> a new release
[20:33] <alaa_> yeah sorry james,..it kinda went that way.
[20:33] <james147> pickabuntu: ubuntu releases every 6 mounts.. in the mounts of 04 and 10 :)
[20:33] <james147> months ^^
[20:34] <pickabuntu> what do you mean by months 4 and 10
[20:34] <james147> the 4th and 10th month... april and october
[20:34] <nerio> !ciao
[20:34] <james147> (hence why the version are 10.04 and 10.10 11.04.... its year.month)
[20:34] <nerio> !list
[20:35] <pickabuntu> and can ubuntu run maya cos i herd it hard to do so, (apparently only fedora can do this)?
[20:35] <james147> maya?
[20:35] <pickabuntu> don't worry...
[20:35] <pickabuntu> i'll put ubuntu on this slow junk, and hopefully it will run gr8!!!
[20:35] <alaa_> maya the 3d program ?
[20:35] <pickabuntu> yes
[20:36] <james147> !info blender
[20:36] <alaa_> i dont think it can,...
[20:36] <alaa_> it might with wine tho,but i doubt u will get the full performance outta it
[20:37] <pickabuntu> ahh forget it .. i'll put ubuntu on there and use virtual machine on my mac for maya....
[20:37] <pickabuntu> see you
[20:37] <james147> ^^ :S vm for 3d erkk
[20:39] <alaa_> :|
[20:45] <alaa_> does ubuntu one only work with ubuntu ?
[20:46] <alaa_> or can i upload files from diffrent ditros ?
[20:49]  * james147 thinks their goal is multi platform
[20:49] <Pici> alaa_: You may want to ask in their channel if there are clients packaged for other distros.  #ubuntuone
[20:52] <alaa_> alright
[21:01] <sylion> Hello, i have some problem: GTK style QTCurve not work, and its looks not good...
[21:02] <sylion> i change style to Raleigh and its dont work too
[21:08] <rtdos> how come i am getting a wrong architecture message when i attempt to install the following: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/otherosfs/xapple2 - i thought i could install legacy 32bit packages?
[21:11] <james147> rtdos: :( dosnt look like apt-get supports that :S though running the application should work
[21:11] <james147> !amd64
[21:11] <james147> (see teh first link)
[21:27] <pickabuntu> i downloaded the destop ubuntu edition, so i go into the boot device selection menu, by hitting F12, and select cd but windows starts as normal/not the ubuntu installation, why?
[21:29] <pickabuntu> hello?
[21:31] <pickabuntu> james147?
[21:32] <james147> pickabuntu: did you md5sum check the iso?
[21:32] <pickabuntu> what does that mean
[21:33] <james147> !md5
[21:38] <parduist> Pardus 2011 is released! http://pardus.org.tr/eng/
[21:38] <pickabuntu> sums are the same
[21:38] <rtdos> james147, I tried downloading the file directly from that link and i get that same message. :-(
[21:39] <james147> pickabuntu: try reburning the disk as a slower speed or using a usb
[21:39] <james147> !liveusb
[21:40] <pickabuntu> my computer doesn't boot from usb
[21:40] <james147> rtdos: yeah, as far as i can tell apt, or at least ts front ends dont understand dualarch systems (ie running 32 on 64)
[21:41] <rtdos> ouch. ok. i'll see if i can copy the files manually.
[21:41] <james147> pickabuntu: then try to reburn the disk...booting strick to the os when you selected to boot form teh cd indicates that the biso failed to find anything of intrest on the cd (namly aa mbr)
[21:43] <pickabuntu> james147, am i meant to use the windows ubuntu installer....!
[21:43] <pickabuntu> ????
[21:45] <iulain> you have downloaded on cd now or usb ?
[21:52] <geneiros> hi there...
[21:54] <james147> Hello geneiros
[21:54] <geneiros> hi james147
[21:55] <geneiros> i'm having a problem in kde 4.6
[21:55] <james147> !ask | geneiros
[21:55] <geneiros> my gtk styles doesnt work...
[21:55] <geneiros> ok
[21:56] <geneiros> i was using kde 4.5.5 with molecule gtk style, and when updated to kde  4.6 all my gtk apps like firefox, gimp, eclipse doesnt use the gtk styles that i have configured in system settings...
[21:58] <james147> geneiros: do you have a ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 and ~/.gtkrc-2.0  file?
[21:58] <geneiros> only have .gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[21:58] <james147> geneiros: then symlink it to the other
[21:58] <james147> (not sure if it will help :)  )
[22:00] <geneiros> yeeee
[22:00] <geneiros> it worked...
[22:00] <geneiros> you're the best...
[22:00] <geneiros> :)
[22:01] <geneiros> now...i have another one....i have my panel(task bar) and when i resize it to decrease or increase the height, when i log out and log in the panel seems to return to default height size...
[22:02] <geneiros> where does the settings of the size of panel are saved?
[22:13] <Kurdistan> hey guys will kubuntu 11.04 with kde 4.6 be any faster?
[22:13] <Kurdistan> and lighter?
[22:13] <james147> geneiros: panel settings are saved with the plasma-desktop settings at ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[22:14] <james147> Kurdistan: hard to say seeing as its no where near a realse state yet.... but the goal for every new release it to make it faster :)
[22:14] <james147> Kurdistan: kde and gnome cannot be considered light however, thats not their goal
[22:14] <Kurdistan> james147, thx for your nice comment, I tried out kubuntu 10.10 and it was terrible slow.
[22:15] <geneiros> i think kubuntu 10.10 one of the fastest
[22:15] <Kurdistan> I am myself a buntu person, normally I run ubuntu/lubuntu.
[22:15] <james147> Kurdistan: probally a configuration problem.. what drivers/graphics card did you have?
[22:15] <geneiros> i tried almost all the kde distros...and maybe kubuntu is as fast or better then pclinuxos
[22:16] <Kurdistan> james147, I have Geforce Go 7400.
[22:16] <james147> Kurdistan: how much ram/swap?
[22:16] <Kurdistan> :) I am pretty well oriented with buntu distros.
[22:17] <Kurdistan> :) I have 2 gb ram so my swap normaly is around 2 gb.
[22:17] <james147> Kurdistan: kde should run smoothly with those specs (hell it runs smooothly on my netbook :D )... are you using teh open or close drivers for nvidia?
[22:18] <Kurdistan> I am pretty good at tweaking for shorthing out boot-time (really easy with gnome/lxde).
[22:18] <Kurdistan> james147 the close ones
[22:18] <Kurdistan> I removed animation and desktop effect it helped little bit under kubuntu 10.10
[22:18] <james147> Kurdistan: try disabling desktop effects, see if that helps
[22:18] <james147> :S
[22:18] <Daskreech> Kurdistan: YMMV!
[22:19] <Kurdistan> but other then the terrible slow upstart/reboot/shotdown I like kubuntu/kde concept.
[22:19] <Daskreech> Don't reboot or shutdown :)
[22:19] <james147> Kurdistan: o its just start up and shutdown?
[22:20] <bigjools> it boots like the wind on my box
[22:20] <Kurdistan> I can accept that kde/kubuntu will never be fast like ubuntu/gnome (in natty unity), but it would be good if it is in the same level.
[22:20] <Kurdistan> james147 yes, but in general kubuntu is slow compare to ubuntu. If I compare to Lubuntu, Kubuntu/kde feels like Windows.
[22:21] <Kurdistan> dont take me wrong I like all buntu derivates.
[22:21] <Kurdistan> so guys and girls, will kubuntu 11.04 be any faster then kubuntu 10.10?
[22:22] <Daskreech> Kurdistan: compare it to ratpoison :)
[22:22] <Kurdistan> or should I stick with unity/xfce/lxde?
[22:22] <Daskreech> Kurdistan: If being light and fast is your objective I'd say look at openbox or ratpoison
[22:22] <Kurdistan> :( I hope it will be fast and light, becuase kubuntu is damn good looking, eyecandy .
[22:23] <Kurdistan> daskreech, I have tried openbox under crunchbang it is fast, but pretty ugly.
[22:23] <Kurdistan> lxde with openbox integration is nicer.
[22:23] <Kurdistan> ratpoison is geeky.:)
[22:24] <Kurdistan> how is kubuntu netbook edition?
[22:24] <Daskreech> Kurdistan: Try e?
[22:25] <Kurdistan> I have notebook, can I try it or it is pain in the as like ubuntu netbook 10.10 ?
[22:25] <Kurdistan> I think kubuntu netbook should be faster? Correct me if I am wrong.
[22:26] <Daskreech> Should be
[22:26] <Kurdistan> is the kubuntu netbook edition only good for intel atom users?
[22:26] <Daskreech> More polished at the very least
[22:26] <Daskreech>  If you want lighter and faster and pretty have you looked at E ?
[22:27] <Kurdistan> I am not fun of e17
[22:28] <Kurdistan> I read news that kwin will be faster. thats good. I hope they learn something from compiz team.
[22:29] <rtdos> kwin?
[22:31] <Kurdistan> rtdos you use kubuntu/kde and you dont know, kwin?
[22:31] <Kurdistan> thats wierd
[22:32] <Kurdistan> kwin=kde based windows manager
[22:33] <Daskreech> Kurdistan: Why would that be strange?
[22:33] <Daskreech> I'm sure most people using Gnome don't have any idea about Metacity or Compiz
[22:34] <Daskreech> And I'm sure whatever you want them to learn from compiz will probably not be learned in this release
[22:35] <Kurdistan> daskreech, maybe you are right.
[22:36] <Kurdistan> I wish kubuntu all the best and I will be really pleased if kubuntu gets lighter and faster.
[22:36] <Kurdistan> it would be my main distro
[22:36] <Kurdistan> bye guys/girls.
[22:36] <Daskreech> but in general expecting something to be capable pretty and fast is going to lead to very few choices and lots of compromises
[22:36] <Daskreech> Unless of course you build your own :)
[22:37] <geneiros> does preload work in kubuntu 10.10?
[22:37] <Kurdistan> daskreech, I dont have time for arch and my student internet is a main turn off.
[22:37] <Daskreech> geneiros: Preloading what?
[22:38] <Daskreech> Kurdistan: Student internet?
[22:38] <Kurdistan> preloading is something used to startup application faster.
[22:38] <geneiros> package preload 0.6
[22:38] <Kurdistan> thats what geneiros writs about
[22:38] <geneiros> used to work in 9.10
[22:38] <geneiros> and then in 10.04 stoped working
[22:39] <geneiros> if it works again...helps a little
[22:39] <Kurdistan> daskreech, my university internet I must log in to page before I can be able to use internet
[22:40] <Kurdistan> bye guys/girls.
[22:40] <Daskreech> ah that doesn't seem like such a hard ship
[22:40] <Daskreech>  Kurdistan Bye
[22:40] <Kurdistan> internet=network
[22:50] <xjjk> hello, is anyone using the Akonadi-based Kontact from Kubuntu's experimental PPA?
[22:50] <xjjk> how is it…
[22:50] <geneiros> i havent tried
[22:51] <geneiros> hi xjjk
[22:51] <xjjk> geneiros: hello
[22:51] <xjjk> I *really* want to do some kind off offline IMAP storage
[22:51] <xjjk> my Internet connections have been getting slower and slower and I want to cache all this =/
[22:51] <maco> xjjk: you dont need the akonadi version to do DIMAP
[22:52] <xjjk> but I don't want to download 3 GB of e-mail just to do it again with akonadi-based kontact
[22:52] <xjjk> maco: I don't, but I rather not download stuff again
[22:52] <xjjk> maco: also, last I used it (4.2?), there were a lot of bugs
[22:52] <maco> i would *hope* that if you have it in the old format itd convert it when you upgrade o the akonadi one
[22:52] <xjjk> maco: that's something I'm not sure about
[22:52] <maco> 4.2 is when i started using it. DIMAP was much less buggy than normal IMAP! normal IMAP crashed when you deleted > 1 message at a time.
[22:52] <xjjk> maco: I had to nuke my nepomuk db going from sesame to virtuoso
[22:53] <xjjk> that was *annoying*
[22:53] <adi_> it does convert when upgrading
[22:53] <xjjk> hence, I don't want to re-download all my e-mail
[22:54] <geneiros> see you..
[22:54] <xjjk> well, back to the original question: is anyone using akonadi-based kmail, and how great/bad is it
[22:55] <xjjk> it's inevitable by KDE 4.6.1 or .2, I'm assuming
[22:55] <kennethaar> Hi
[23:02] <drbobb> does rekonq support flash?
[23:03] <james147> yes
[23:03] <drbobb> so mine must be misconfigured somehow
[23:03] <drbobb> (i just installed kde 4.6 from the backports ppa)
[23:04] <james147> drbobb: do you have flash installed?
[23:05] <drbobb> do I need any package other than flashplugin-installer?
[23:05] <james147> dont think so
[23:05] <drbobb> then yes it is installed
[23:05] <james147> does it work in konq or other browsers?
[23:06] <drbobb> I've only been using chrome
[23:07] <drbobb> but that probably comes with its own flashplayer?
[23:07] <james147> dont think so,
[23:07] <drbobb> well flash does work for me in chrome
[23:07] <drbobb> 64bit system btw
[23:08] <james147> try konq
[23:08] <drbobb> it's not installed by default, is it? just askin'
[23:08] <james147> it is
[23:08] <james147> or should be
[23:09] <nysosym> wow kubuntu have a lot of graphical bugs
[23:09] <nysosym> and this after 3 years of kde 4
[23:09] <james147> nysosym: what graphical bugs?
[23:09] <drbobb> 'which konqueror' says nada
[23:10] <nysosym> james147: scratched images
[23:10] <james147> scratched?
[23:10] <jcgs> hi :) can anyone help my try and get my laptop's mic working?
[23:11] <nysosym> james147: hard to decribe, just damaged like mixed pixel lines
[23:11] <james147> nysosym: not seeing anything like that here,
[23:12] <drbobb> the calendar plasmoid is too big, and it refuses to scale down
[23:12] <nysosym> some menus are fluid, others like 5fps, makes no sense
[23:12] <nysosym> no consistency
[23:12] <drbobb> (just a minor annoyance)
[23:12] <nysosym> windows can scaled to the dead
[23:12] <james147> nysosym: can you test a new user? see if they have the same problems
[23:12] <nysosym> james147: i tried 2 new installs ;)
[23:12] <nysosym> nvidia non free driver
[23:13] <james147> nysosym: can you print screen it?
[23:14] <maco> nysosym: from what ive heard, its to do with using documented parts of the X API that havent been getting much love from Xorg devs, but there's work going on to get the stuff Plasma & KWin use to be better supported by the X devs
[23:15] <drbobb> the nvidia nonfree driver is buggy
[23:15] <drbobb> or at least, does not play well with kde
[23:15] <drbobb> that is m experience
[23:15] <drbobb> my
[23:15] <nysosym> maco: ahh ok, it'll getting better after 3 years, nothing that apple or ms could do
[23:16] <drbobb> some desktop effects need to be avoided, they tend to freeze the display
[23:16] <nysosym> drbobb, a shame, 3 years ago nvidia was the best graphic card for linux
[23:17] <drbobb> I just tried to use the cube, and got a 2-minute freeze
[23:18] <nysosym> and thats called a final release -.-
[23:19] <nysosym> there are very good ideas, but most of them seam very rough made
[23:19] <james147> nysosym: for most people it is stable... I have never had a problem with nvidia or kde being slow :s  its probally a small subset of devices that are affected
[23:20] <nysosym> shure, it's stable, but buggy
[23:21] <james147> nysosym: like allot f software ... hell most software :)
[23:21] <nysosym> but the most of them work well in basic functions
[23:23] <james147> nysosym: not always for everyone, in this case it unfortunately happens to be you :(
[23:23] <nysosym> selecting files i laggy as hell, on a actual 4 core system with 3 ghz
[23:23] <nysosym> that should not happen
[23:29] <nysosym> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9255/snapshot1ub.png
[23:30] <nysosym> there you can see the graphic bugs
[23:30] <nysosym> on the right side of dolphin
[23:30] <nysosym> and the dolphin icon itself over the menubar
[23:30] <SJr> I get the horrible static in my left channel in Kubuntu, on a dell M1210