[19:06] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like Ross is taking care of getting the uploads queued.
[20:12] <studiobot> carbonzero was added by: carbonzero
 woohoo! finally in the group on telegram! now i can take you with me on my phone! awesome!
 oh, it's me: hangar18
 This is the development channel.
 No idea how you got this link.
 um, from the website. it took me to an option to join this group.
 Oh gee... I've gotta fix that. Must've pasted the wrong link.
 Glad it was you and not someone else.
 yeah, it's on the community page of the website. i'll join the general users group though.
 and i'll back out of this one
 Here's the right link: https://t.me/joinchat/GOahGRZg29nvXb9QzpCxvQ
 Just making sure: https://t.me/joinchat/GOahGRKwMAQ-N3GRnRNZBA
 it's still bringing me here for some reason
 The second one.
 there we go! the second one's winner winner chicken dinner! lol
 I fixed the website. That was almost more embarassing than needed.
[20:38] <studiobot> Sakrecoer was added by: Sakrecoer


[04:45] <philipballew> is there an easy way to install Debian as my second os in place of back track thats currently installed without messing up grub?
[04:47] <holstein> philipballew: sure... i usually let the linux's share a swap partition
[04:47] <philipballew> alright. is the best way to do that and just not let debian set up its own mbr?
[04:48] <holstein> philipballew: either way
[04:48] <philipballew> alright, and yeah. sharing swap sounds smart
[04:48] <holstein> philipballew: i would just know how to update grub from a live CD, and all is well :)
[04:48] <philipballew> i have 4 gigs as well so i am not sure swap is always nessessery
[04:48] <holstein> philipballew: you have to get the alternate CD's with buntu to *not* install grub these days
[04:49] <philipballew> makes sence i guess. well i was gonna install debian only this time as ubuntu is already installed. i need debian as i am going to be making packages for them now
[04:51] <holstein> philipballew: cool
[04:51] <holstein> keep me posted on that
[04:51] <philipballew> alright. I will. thanks for the info
[07:33] <mascot> Ahoy
[07:39] <JackyAlcine> Argh
[07:39] <JackyAlcine> *Arggg
[07:58] <uwe> moin
[08:51] <ashickur-noor> Hi
[08:51] <ashickur-noor> How are u all?
[08:59] <uwe> fine and you?
[09:00] <ashickur-noor> me also
[09:01] <uwe> where are you from?
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> Bangladesh
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> and u?
[09:02] <uwe> germany
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> Nice
[09:03] <ashickur-noor> Have you tried knoppix?
[09:04] <uwe> yes knoppix is cool
[09:35] <ArizonaBa> hi can anyone help me with figuring out what is wrong with this comman on excel
[09:35] <ArizonaBa> please ? NOTE = "E"
[10:31] <Arizona_Bay> can anyone help me with visual basic sheets?
[10:58] <kanout> hello everybody! I try to install ubuntu 11.10 on a win7 system. The installer doesn't recognize the win 7 OS. What can I do to rescue win 7 from the installation?
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> what do u mean it doesn recognize it?
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> like in the repartition?
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> just check on instal side by side
[11:03] <Arizona_Bay> ...
[11:05] <kanout> it doesn't have that option
[11:05] <Arizona_Bay> alright
[11:05] <Arizona_Bay> did u make your partitions?
[11:07] <kanout> yes I have made unallocated space for ubuntu to use but still it doen't see it. Even though the disk utility from the live cd sees it as unallocated space. I have tried also fedora installer and it happens to be the same thing.
[11:09] <Arizona_Bay> it sees as the whole disk empty?
[11:09] <Arizona_Bay> o.o
[11:09] <Arizona_Bay> also u should check out #ubuntu
[11:09] <kanout> yes
[11:10] <Arizona_Bay> are you sure u didnt wipe it out?
[11:10] <kanout> yes. if i quit the installation win7 starts normally.
[11:11] <Arizona_Bay> I have honestly no idea..
[11:11] <kanout> Win 7 have made a small partition sized 100 MB which is system use, and this partition is marked by Active
[11:11] <kanout> I think something is messed up with the MBR
[11:15] <Arizona_Bay> I am really more noob then u are
[11:15] <Arizona_Bay> like i said check out the main channel
[11:16] <kanout> ok thank you for your time.
[11:38] <Arizona_Bay> it was my pleasure :D
[12:57] <hobgoblin> got that working again then :)
[13:14] <hobgoblin> hello iggy19 geoff44
[13:14] <geoff44> Hi hobgoblin
[13:15] <hobgoblin> need help or just wandering about :)
[13:15] <geoff44> This is my first time on a IRC
[13:16] <hobgoblin> oh - well welcome to IRC and this channel then :)
[13:16] <hobgoblin> what brought you here?
[13:16] <geoff44> Thanks hobgoblin - where do you hail from?
[13:16] <uwe> hi geoff welcome here
[13:17] <hobgoblin> south of england geoff44
[13:17] <geoff44> Hi uwe - I'm from Australia
[13:17] <uwe> i am from germany
[13:17] <hobgoblin> geoff44: if you've come following a link - the offtopic channel is #ubuntu-beginners-team - this is the support channel
[13:18] <hobgoblin> oh cool - I know a few that get here from oz
[13:18] <geirha> Isn't it awfully late over there now?
[13:19] <hobgoblin> I'd have to guess so :)
[13:19] <geoff44> Yeah 20 past midnight
[13:20] <geoff44> I'm pretty ancient - the 44 refers to my date of birth
[13:20] <hobgoblin> that's not ancient :p
[13:20] <hobgoblin> my mum told me
[13:21] <uwe> hehe is she from that age <hobgoblin> ?
[13:21] <geoff44> You interested in cricket hobgoblin?
[13:21] <hobgoblin> uwe: one more in fact :p
[13:21] <hobgoblin> geoff44: only when we are winning ...
[13:22] <hobgoblin> not much of a sportsman
[13:22] <geoff44> NZ is cleaning us up in the test match
[13:23] <hobgoblin> oh dear
[13:23] <geoff44> This is a good learning experience for me
[13:23] <geoff44> Thanks hobgoblin
[13:23] <hobgoblin> good - that's what life is for
[13:24] <hobgoblin> so are you using a linux system now?
[13:24] <geoff44> How old are you uwe?
[13:24] <geoff44> Yes 11.10 mainly gnome shell
[13:25] <hobgoblin> aah cool
[13:25] <uwe> 38
[13:25] <uwe> 38 geoff44
[13:26] <geoff44> Yes you're only a youngster uwe
[13:27] <geoff44> I guess the other channels are mainly technical in nature?
[13:28] <hobgoblin> this is one actually - this is the beginners team support channel - we have some others, offtopic #ubunt-beginners-team
[13:28] <geirha> Am I the only one using Unity? Sometimes I feel like the only one. :)
[13:29] <hobgoblin> I think sabdfl uses it sometimes as well geirha
[13:30] <geoff44> Hi geirha - i'm using Unity right now
[13:33] <uwe> i use unity and ubuntustudio 10.10
[13:38] <uwe> i do not like the unity desktop to be honest
[13:40] <geoff44> I just went back on it today to try the myunity tool
[13:40] <hobgoblin> oh I've seen that thing on the forums
[13:40] <hobgoblin> not tried it though - wouldn't work with xfce :p
[13:41] <geoff44> In my opinion it doesn't do a huge amount
[13:42] <geoff44> I quite like gnome shell with 4 or 5 extensions
[13:51] <geoff44> I guess it is time for me to got bed - It has been a pleasure to meet you all.
[14:45] <E3D3> Hi, I'm a TOTAL network-noob or worse a little phobic. To open an extern file in an already running Emacs editor #emacs advised me to use a server & client. Is it true that it has nothing to do with internet ?
[14:51] <holstein> E3D3: im not sure where you read or heard what you heard, or why... but yes that is true
[14:51] <holstein> a server client scenario does *not* have to involve the internet or a network
[14:52] <holstein> the server and client can be running 'locally' on one machine,
[15:04] <E3D3> holstein: Really thanks, more people tried to explain me clearly but your the first that don't use words I have to Google for. :-)
[15:09] <holstein> E3D3: maybe check out http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsClient
[15:10] <holstein> if its a file you are being asked to edit, you might want to see if you can download it and work with it locally in the editor of your choice
[15:11] <holstein> running services like that on a network with linux is not the same as if you are in windows
[15:12] <holstein> your user has certain permissions, and that typically keeps you safer than if you were running a client and connecting to a server with administrative permission
[15:12] <holstein> this would be like connecting to a website (server) with your web browser (client)
[15:13] <holstein> i say, do what makes you feel safe, and read around, and ask questions like you are...
[15:13] <E3D3> I'm a little paranoid about what I don't understand and always skipped this subject. I just thought it would work like with most programs, changing the opening-command. Server & client scare me because I can't control to who they connect.
[15:13] <holstein> E3D3: you can control that
[15:13] <holstein> and you can control the permissions
[15:27] <E3D3> I like to learn things to the bottom but avoided internet with it protocol-wars so most children know more. I think its to complex, temporary knowledge full of nasty hidden stuff. So I connect to public WLAN without password and close it after my job is done. Also SQL talked about server & another account so I threw it away, to much sidekick to handle/learn about. I'm always behind with this stuff and keep feeling naked. I wish this
[15:27] <E3D3> 'upgraded notepad' used different words & ways to do it, just like other programs. Thanks you for your patience, help and take away some anxiety. I will try to overcome the remaining. Good luck & Thanks
[15:32] <holstein> E3D3: you can always work from a live CD
[15:32] <holstein> if you are worried about something infecting your machine, or your machine's hard drive, take it out of the equation
[15:33] <holstein> you can boot a live CD, or from a read only USB stick, have some storage area that is encrypted, or wiped regularly
[15:34] <holstein> this site http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ hosts linux live CD"s based on ubuntu that offer server scenarios to fit most any need
[15:56] <E3D3> holstein: I feel much comforted and try to find a route to the base of all this with a true understanding instead of living in a fog and blind repeating others. Thank you for helping. :-0
[15:57] <E3D3> :-)
[17:22] <AlexIsAverage> Hey! I'm having some trouble setting up an Afterglow Xbox controller so that Ubuntu recognizes it. Can anyone lend a hand?
[19:22] <LemonAid> Hi guys. What does the ! character in the /etc/shadow represent? I know the * character means that account is locked for login. "root" has a !, so it leads me to believe it might be a temporary rights something..
[19:23] <LemonAid> I meant, in the lines in the /etc/shadow file.
[19:24] <geirha> It is explained in the man-page.  man shadow
[19:25] <LemonAid> Will check, thanx.
[22:04] <creede> Hey all, I have a question. When I move my cursor to the left or the right edge of the screen, compiz (presumably) wants to resize the active window up against that edge of the window.
[22:04] <creede> How can I turn that off? It's annoying++.
[22:05] <creede> (I can get around it by switching windows, but I still want to turn it off.)
[22:06] <urlin2u> creede, you might try the #compiz channel.
[22:07] <creede> Thanks, I'll try there.


[12:49] <smartboyhw> Is it that at 15:00 UTC there is a Ubuntu Quantal Meeting
[12:49] <smartboyhw> ?
[12:50] <tumbleweed> the release meeting is at 15:00 UTC, yes
[12:51] <smartboyhw> Thanks...
[12:51] <tumbleweed> 2:10 away...
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Is there a Quantal meeting coming in 13 minutes?
[14:48] <brendand> smartboyhw, yes
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[14:54]  * skaet waves
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Oh, a meeting!
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Him skaet
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Hi skaet
[14:55] <skaet> hiya smartboyhw
[14:55]  * stgraber waves
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Hi stgraber
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug  3 15:00:28 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:00] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[15:00] <skaet> Agenda (and minute location):
[15:00] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-08-03
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:00] <skaet> 12.10
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/08/23: Quantal FeatureFreeze
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/09/06: 12.10 Beta 1
[15:00] <skaet> 12.04.1
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix Validation Testing
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.1
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:01] <skaet> 2012/07/20 -  3001 (was 2966  (two weeks ago):   We’ve gotten behind the trendline for some of the projects.    There are only 3 weeks left until FeatureFreeze, so getting us back on track would be appreciated.
[15:01] <skaet> Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:01] <skaet> Quantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:01] <skaet> 12.04.1: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/milestone-12.04.1.html
[15:01] <skaet> 12.04.1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=49926
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001645.html - HW Cert - brendand
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001648.html - Security - mdeslaur
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001650.html - Ubuntu Studio - ScottL
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001651.html - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001653.html - Edubuntu - stgraber
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001655.html - Ubuntu One - joshuahoover
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001656.html - Desktop - seb128
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001661.html - Server - arosales
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001662.html - Linaro - rsalveti
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001663.html - Xubuntu - astraljava
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001664.html - Kubuntu - Riddell
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001665.html - Unity - popey
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2012-August/021467.html - Kernel - ogasawara
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001666.html - Foundations - ogra_
[15:01] <skaet> ???  - QA - jibel or gema
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Meeting conventions:
[15:02] <skaet> To make this meeting efficient for everyone (and hopefully reduce confusion), would appreciate it if everyone tried to follow these conventions.
[15:02] <skaet>     At start of meeting, please wave or say hi so we know you're present and paying attention.
[15:02] <skaet>     Once the topic, becomes Question and Answer Session,
[15:02] <skaet>         When you have a new question to ask, or thread of conversation to start off, please raise your hand "o/"
[15:02] <skaet>         If your just asking a follow up question/commenting on the current open question - just type.
[15:02] <skaet>         When possible, please target your questions to specific individuals by using their nick. Others should feel free to comment if they have information to add to the discussion.
[15:02] <skaet>         When you've finished your comments on the current question/discussion topic, please use the convention ".." so we know you're done, and we can move on to the next queue'd up question (as indicated by a 'o/').
[15:02] <skaet> I'll try to call on folks in the order I see "o/"s showing up after the Q&C session starts.
[15:02] <skaet> ..
[15:02] <skaet> #topic Questions and Comments
[15:02] <seb128> hey
[15:02] <ogra_> skaet, gema just say everything is fine (they are on the QA sprint atm)
[15:02] <seb128> (sorry, a bit late)
[15:02] <ogra_> *says
[15:03] <skaet> thanks ogra_
[15:03] <Riddell> hi
[15:03] <skaet> hiya seb128,  who else is here?
[15:03] <gilir> hi
[15:03] <arosales1> hello
[15:03] <mdeslaur> o/
[15:03]  * ogasawara waves
[15:03] <stgraber> o/
[15:03] <roadmr> hey!
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Hi
[15:04] <skaet> welcome.  :)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[15:04] <balloons> hello
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons!
[15:05] <popey> o/
[15:05] <tumbleweed> hi
[15:05] <brendand> hi
[15:05] <jocarter> howdy
[15:05] <skaet> ok,   I'll start into some of the questions I've got queued up,  but at any time raise hand now,  and I'll call on you for yours.
[15:06] <Riddell> jocarter: new nick?
[15:06] <skaet> brendand, roadmr - could you start smoke testing of 12.04.1 images and let us know which of the currently open certification bugs are not resolved early next week?   (use one of daily images built off of -proposed)
[15:06] <roadmr> skaet: yes, we can do that.
[15:07] <skaet> Thanks roadmr!  :)
[15:07] <skaet> ..
[15:07] <brendand> skaet, smoke testing we can do for sure. bug verification maybe not
[15:08] <skaet> brendand,   can the verification focus on 12.04.1 at least,  so we can get those images as clean as possible?
[15:08] <ogra_> o/
[15:08] <brendand> skaet, we can try our best
[15:09] <skaet> Thanks brendand.   Will follow up with you early next week then.
[15:09] <skaet> ..
[15:09] <skaet> go ogra_
[15:09] <ogra_> wasnt popey before me ?
[15:09] <ogra_> (but i can indeed) ...
[15:10] <ogra_> ogasawara, any status update about the omap4 3.5 kernel ?
[15:10] <ogra_> ..
[15:10]  * skaet  was assuming he was just saying hello,  but if popey's got a question,  please go after ogra_  ;)
[15:10] <ogasawara> ogra_: last update I had from ppisati was that he was still working on the rebase
[15:10] <popey> sorry, I was saying hello :)
[15:10] <ogasawara> ogra_: he is off today, but I will follow back up with him monday
[15:11] <ogra_> k, would be good to have it before FF so we can have some testing before the kernel freeze
[15:11] <ogra_> great, thx
[15:11] <ogasawara> ogra_: ack
[15:11] <ogra_> ..
[15:11] <ogasawara> ..
[15:11] <skaet> arosales - re: MIR backlog,  are they all quantal specific?   are there folks working them or is it a limbo situation?
[15:11] <arosales> I think a few were juju related that may help elevaitate
[15:12] <arosales> yes, and quantal specific
[15:12] <arosales> I think they are being worked, just a comment on the larger queue size
[15:13] <skaet> gotcha,   certainly want to make sure they're all resolved before we get to feature freeze.
[15:13] <skaet> thanks.
[15:13] <skaet> ..
[15:13]  * skaet looks around for other "o/" before going back to her set.
[15:14] <skaet> popey - is there anyone working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1008918?
[15:15]  * popey clicks
[15:16] <skaet> also for your clicking pleasure...   Would it be possible to get the importance set on:  bug: 950160 - its on our commited to be fixed list, and want to make sure that it is indeed committed to be fixed, and which version drop we should expect it.
[15:16] <skaet> Also,  are bug 1028828, bug 1028859, bug 1028972 going to be fixed soon?
[15:16] <popey> skaet, not that I'm aware of, I will find someone though
[15:16] <popey> ..
[15:16] <popey> bug
[15:16] <popey> bug 950160
[15:17] <skaet> unity and compiz bug tasks on that one don't have prioirity...
[15:17] <popey> skaet, I'll raise those with the devs..
[15:18] <popey> ..
[15:18] <skaet> thanks popey.  :)
[15:18] <skaet> ..
[15:18] <skaet> balloons - did you see the blog entry in Linaro’s status?  might be useful for your WIKI page? http://jcrigby.blogspot.fi/2012/07/usb-booting-panda-board.html
[15:19] <balloons> skaet, looking now
[15:19] <skaet> ..
[15:19] <ogra_> that method still has massive bugs and only works with one panda version as described
[15:19] <balloons> ohh.. neat
[15:20] <skaet> ogra_,  ah....  so we'll expect your blog post to be even more helpful then...  ;)
[15:20] <ogra_> (we have been working with linaro to fix these during the qa sprint since we use the same thing for the automated arm image testing now, but the code hasnt landed in a package yet)
[15:20] <balloons> is this an alt technique or the ideal way to do things going forward?
[15:20] <ogra_> (as skaet noted, i'll blog about that the next days, hopefully the fixes are landed in the usbboot binary too then)
[15:21] <ogra_> balloons, i would only use it if you actually see benefit from it
[15:21] <smartboyhw> This method is dangerous, balloons
[15:21] <ogra_> i.e. for the automated image testing we use it to dd an image to SD from the tftpbooted initrd ....
[15:22] <ogra_> if you cant use the SD or want to avoid using it its the right thing ...
[15:22] <ogra_> ..
[15:22] <skaet> thanks ogra_
[15:22] <ogra_> (as soon as there is a bootloader on the SD the ROM code will ignore usb though)
[15:22] <ogra_> ..
[15:23] <skaet> scott-work - what is the status of 12.04.1 looking like?   can someone do a smoke test of the images in Precise Daily  this next week to make sure no surprises.
[15:23] <scott-work> yes, we can do that skaet
[15:24] <skaet> scott-work, coolio.   Thanks!  :)
[15:24] <skaet> ..
[15:24] <scott-work> ..
[15:24] <skaet> astraljava,   will Xubuntu be able to do some smoke testing for 12.04.1 from the dailies as well?
[15:26] <skaet> hmm... not sure if astraljava is around.
[15:26] <smartboyhw> He hasn't gone away or idle..
[15:27] <skaet> oh well,  moving on.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> ..
[15:27] <skaet> :)
[15:27] <skaet> fabo,   is there any ETA on the PVR driver?
[15:28]  * skaet reaching the end of her list.....   any one else have questions?   please o/ if so.
[15:29] <skaet> ..
[15:30] <skaet> balloons,  any surprises or concerns coming in from the daily testing for either quantal or precise?
[15:30] <balloons> skaet, nothing beyond the arm images
[15:30] <balloons> there on my to test list today.. the community folks haven't gotten any dailies to run since alpha 3
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Really , balloons?
[15:31] <ogra_> balloons, the arm images are fine ... its the pvr driver that makes it fail
[15:31] <balloons> ogra_, :-)
[15:31] <ogra_> (selecting "install third party drivers"
[15:31] <ogra_> )
[15:31] <ogra_> i commanetd on the bug and pointed it to the right package
[15:31] <ogra_> *commented
[15:31] <balloons> ok, I'll give it a whirl and see myself.. Thanks for commenting
[15:32] <ogra_> (we just did serveral automated server installs over here at the QA sprint btw, generally everything should eb installable)
[15:32] <ogra_> ..
[15:32] <balloons> ogra_, ohh , yes I had someone interested in arm server stuff
[15:32] <balloons> there isn't a walkthrough on the wiki for it yet
[15:32] <balloons> I should put one together.. but I haven't done it yet
[15:32]  * ogra_ points to the server team ;)
[15:33] <skaet> balloons,  where's the wiki again?
[15:33] <ogra_> oh... another note ... since we changed the image format completely i will need to update the general install instructions for arm ... will do that next week once i'm back in a normal timezone
[15:33] <ogra_> ...
[15:33] <ogra_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[15:34] <ogra_> (for all omap images)
[15:34] <ogra_> server install is maintained as a subset by the server team though
[15:34] <ogra_> ..
[15:34] <skaet> thanks ogra_
[15:34] <skaet> ..
[15:34] <fabo> skaet: our PPA has been updated. I'll check with Ricardo for ETA.
[15:34] <fabo> ..
[15:35] <arosales> ogra_:  Is there a particular ARM image that is lacking in the documentation on the wiki?
[15:35] <skaet> thanks fabo :)
[15:35] <ogra_> apart from having to dd the image to SD card instead of writing an iso to CD or USB the install is 100% identical to x86 nowadays though
[15:35] <balloons> ogra_, ahh ok.. I'll go through and see if I can get it to work.
[15:35] <ogra_> ..
[15:35] <balloons> looks like we just need to add quantal links to that
[15:35] <ogra_> (since we have identical images now)
[15:35] <ogra_> ..
[15:35] <ogra_> arosales, we dont have preinstalled anymore ...
[15:35] <ogra_> (just using the same ones as x86 now)
[15:36] <ogra_> ..
[15:36] <skaet> ok,  looks like end of meeting time.
[15:36] <skaet> just want to restate that we're getting a bit behind on our work items.
[15:37] <skaet> so a bit of extra attention to figuring out what is still going to be possible,  and what's definitely not going to make it for quantal would be appreciated.
[15:37] <skaet> ..
[15:37] <skaet> Thanks roadmr, brendand, stgraber, jocarter, Riddell, ogra_, seb128, popey, smartboyhw, gilir, arosales, mdeslaur, tumbleweed, fabo, balloons, ogasawara
[15:37] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug  3 15:37:58 2012 UTC.
[15:37] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-03-15.00.moin.txt
[15:37] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-03-15.00.html
[15:37] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:38] <seb128> skaet, thanks
[15:38] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[15:38] <arosales> skaet: thanks
[15:38] <balloons> skaet, ty
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[15:38] <roadmr> thanks skaet
[15:38] <fabo> thanks skaet
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Good job, skaet
[15:38] <smartboyhw> balloons, can we talk now?
[15:38] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[19:58] <SeoService> Need backlinks for your website to reach 1st page of Google? http://bit.ly/QHDOpB


[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:48] <zyga> dholbach: hey
[08:55] <dholbach> hey zyga
[09:41] <Rhonda> Hmm.  Which phablet-team PPA version works best with Debian wheezy?  ;)
[09:44] <Rhonda> Seems it's lucid :)
[09:45] <Rhonda> Hmm, but only for android-tools*
[09:45] <Rhonda> phablet-tools not available for lucid  %-/
[10:04] <Laney> Rhonda: yeah, not surprising
[10:04] <Laney> you might be able to backport stuff yourself
[10:05] <Laney> otherwise there are manual instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation
[10:05] <Laney> assuming that is what you want to do
[10:06] <Rhonda> Thing is, why only offer one half in the PPA and not the other?
[10:07] <Laney> dunno, wasn't me guv'nor - maybe some deps are missing or whoever did the work only needed android-tools on lucid
[10:10] <Rhonda> oh, android-tools are newer in wheezy-backports  *fetches*
[10:12] <Rhonda> duh
[10:13] <Rhonda> phablet-tool doesn't set proper Depends  :/
[10:13] <Rhonda> hmm
[10:14] <Laney> you might want #ubuntu-touch for this stuff BTW ;-)
[10:14] <Laney> I'd expect the people who made the packages to be in there
[10:14] <Rhonda> oh, wait
[10:15] <Rhonda> python:any (>= 2.7.1-0ubuntu2)
[10:15] <Rhonda> Why depends python:any instead of python
[10:15] <Rhonda> Debian has python:all :)
[10:17] <Laney> not in testing
[12:01] <cjwatson> Rhonda: python:any is standard now in all kinds of places that python is Multi-Arch: allowed - cf. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[12:01] <cjwatson> Rhonda: It doesn't mean "not Architecture: all"
[12:01] <Rhonda> cjwatson: dpkg thinks differently.
[12:01] <cjwatson> Rhonda: It means "the package manager may follow dependencies on other architectures"
[12:02] <cjwatson> Rhonda: You're misinterpreting.
[12:02] <Rhonda> Well, then some frenchman has misleading error messages. :)
[12:02] <cjwatson> Rhonda: wheezy's python isn't Multi-Arch: allowed, which is why this doesn't work in wheezy
[12:02] <cjwatson> Rhonda: But it's not because python is Architecture: all
[12:03] <cjwatson> Rhonda: For backports to releases where python isn't Multi-Arch: allowed, dropping the :any is correct, although that might well happen automatically on a rebuild
[12:03] <Rhonda> Unpacking replacement phablet-tools ...
[12:03] <Rhonda> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of phablet-tools:
[12:03] <Rhonda>  phablet-tools depends on python:any (>= 2.7.1-0ubuntu2).
[12:03] <cjwatson> Yes, and I'm repeatedly explaining to you why ...
[12:03] <Rhonda> Yes, I understood it now. :)
[12:03] <Rhonda> But the error message doesn't hint that way.
[12:04] <cjwatson> Well, dpkg dependency error messages generally just tell you that the dep is unsatisfied and leave you to work out why.
[12:04] <Rhonda> Then it should be catched in apt already, as improvement?
[12:05] <cjwatson> Dunno
[12:06] <Rhonda> Because dependency resolving in apt and dpkg seems to differ her.
[12:07] <cjwatson> Oh, I think that's a known bug
[12:07] <cjwatson> In wheezy
[12:07] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=723586
[12:10] <Rhonda> Hmm, if the diff is only 6 lines, I wonder why it wasn't pushed to wheezy. :(
[16:27] <xteejx> Hey guys
[16:27] <xteejx> I've done a couple of merges, subscribed the sponsors team, is there anything else I need to do?
[16:30] <mitya57> xteejx: your merges are already on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/, so they will be looked at soon
[16:30] <xteejx> mitya57, oh nice one, thank you :)
[16:31] <xteejx> Wasn't sure if they were being processed or whatever. Not sure sync/merging is the top priority atm but with my lack of skills in MOTU stuff I thought it best to stick to what I kind of know
[16:50] <mitya57> xteejx: scipy uploaded, thanks
[20:46] <bkerensa> Happy Thanksgiving :)


[01:15] <LjL> [02:15:02] *** Nisstyre is now known as Mark_Shuttlecock.
[03:48]  * Jordan_U doubts that AlexGer has actually gotten that error from Ubuntu, and further doubts that they have any intention of actually trying Ubuntu.
[03:48] <IdleOne> you mean the camerabin error?
[04:02] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." during install.
[04:03] <IdleOne> yeah I looked at scroll back I had confused them with someone else
[04:39] <bazhang> the main helpers razzing unity and telling people to stay away from natty is not acceptable in my opinion
[04:40] <bazhang> pointing out other options, like gnome classic mode, unity 2d and the like are fine, but to say in a somewhat veiled manner -unity sucks- just invites more of the same
[04:40] <IdleOne> +1
[06:04] <Tm_T> bazhang: agreed, support channels are not the place to push anyones opinions
[06:08] <Sterist> does anyone have a contact with the PSubuntu forum?
[06:08] <Sterist> --moderators
[06:09] <IdleOne> PSUbuntu?
[06:09] <Sterist> ps3's ubuntu page
[06:09] <Jordan_U> I would be surprised if anyone did. And this isn't really the place anyway.
[06:09] <IdleOne> Sterist: ah, non-official builds. I don't know...
[06:10] <Sterist> i figured as much but asking in the main channel is pretty much hopeless
[06:10] <Sterist> sorry
[06:10] <IdleOne> there must be a contact us link on their forums
[06:10] <hypatia> whois their domain
[06:10] <hypatia> :D
[06:11] <Sterist> ...there are still official builds cranking out for ps3 (but they dont install) all available from alternate downloads link
[06:11] <Sterist> the forums are dead as a doornail
[06:11] <Sterist> :(
[06:12] <IdleOne> Sterist: what I meant by non-official was that Canonical is not involved afaik. not an official derivative.
[06:14] <Sterist> pretty sure the ps3 builds are run-of-the-mill PPC64
[06:14] <bazhang> #ubuntu-ps3 iirc
[06:14] <Sterist> oooh ty
[06:15] <Sterist> lol you just made it :( oh well, i'll cease convo on this channel. sorry
[08:51] <bazhang> surprised idoru did not get hyu
[08:52] <tsimpson> bazhang: idoru is not in #ubuntu
[08:52] <bazhang> tsimpson, ah sorry, thought it was
[08:52] <tsimpson> it was, but not now
[08:52] <bazhang> must be thinking of another channel
[08:52] <bazhang> ah right
[08:53] <tsimpson> it was decided at a meeting to trial removing it: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/24/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[08:53] <bazhang> okay thanks
[12:06] <bazhang> not sure why someone is using minimal install if they cannot get to the command line
[12:31] <LjL> bots behaved correctly?
[12:31] <bazhang> well they kinda went crazy and all did +q and then -q on a serial spammer <hyu>
[12:31]  * LjL greps
[12:33] <LjL> hmm. well i guess they behaved as expected, mostly (the spam was not of the kind that would trigger a ban) - the bad thing is the multiple -q, i'll have to fix that somehow
[12:34] <LjL> and by the way, on the topic of triggering bans - i've made a change yesterday, now whenever someone is "detected as abusive", they get banned for good
[12:34] <LjL> the !ops message here has been changed to specify that
[12:34] <LjL> and also, they get a PM saying they should join #ubuntu-ops if it's an error
[12:34] <bazhang> added to akick ?
[12:35] <LjL> no no, just banned as opposed to temporarily muted
[12:35] <bazhang> ah right
[12:35] <Flannel> What sort of false positives has that been having?
[12:36] <Flannel> s/sort/percentage/
[12:37] <LjL> Flannel: not many to my knowledge, since it always called !ops in the first place so ops would have complained about any false positives, i imagine ;)
[12:37] <LjL> let me try something
[12:37] <LjL> +q me by nickname and +z the channel please
[12:38] <LjL> (and stay opped if you want to see)
[12:40] <Flannel> in #u?
[12:40] <LjL> yes
[12:40] <LjL> i'm going to spam a little - the +q is so that my spam isn't seen by users
[12:40] <Flannel> mhmm, I gathered as much
[12:41] <Flannel> auto_bleh will remove it in 10 (in case I die, etc, but fair warning)
[12:42] <LjL> did good to test, as it isn't working =)
[12:46]  * LjL is bit puzzled
[12:48] <jussi> LjL: also, having 3 of them opped creates a bit of modespam everytime they -q someone
[12:49] <LjL> jussi: yeah that's what bazhang pointed out i think. wish the server ignored the other -q's (it does ignore +q's)
[12:49] <LjL> i'll have to find a solution to that
[12:50] <Flannel> No notification, by the way.
[12:50] <LjL> indeedely
[12:50] <Flannel> LjL: I think you're back to normal now
[12:50] <LjL> yes, good idea to point that out
[12:51] <Flannel> LjL: So don't go spouting randomness :)
[12:56] <LjL> jussi: i should have worked around the -q spam now, but anyway i might eventually just go back to having only one opped at a time. i thought having all three opped would improve reaction time, but i'm not even so sure
[12:58] <LjL> jussi: have you seen/pondered my -council request of yesterday?
[12:59] <jussi> LjL: ahh yes - I was waiting for you to join -bots-team
[13:01] <LjL> ok Flannel can you +zq again? last time, i promise! maybe.
[13:01] <bazhang> ashmew2 is a known issue from u-r-p days
[13:03] <Flannel> LjL: 10 minutes again
[13:04] <Pici> eh?
[13:04] <LjL> what the hell, it still doesn't work
[13:04] <LjL> Pici: testing bots
[13:04] <Pici> LjL: ah
[13:06] <LjL> i think i've broken the whole flood thing :\ reverting to old code
[13:06] <LjL> although i don't see how i broke it
[13:07] <LjL> actually, maybe i know. removing the floodbots for a moment to test them in different channel
[13:11] <bazhang> hehe
[13:11] <bazhang> permaban!
[13:11] <LjL> =) sorry, are going to be a few fake calls
[13:14] <Flannel> LjL: you're done in #u
[13:14] <LjL> ok
[13:14] <LjL> going to continue testing in #floodbot anyway
[13:18] <LjL> Flannel: so basically all the testing in #ubuntu was useless, because i forgot about a foundamental thing - that when you mute someone manually, then the floodbots won't act on that specific mute again :)
[13:20] <Pici> -ot is especially annoying today.
[13:21] <LjL> Pici: you mean language calls are especially annoying?
[13:21] <Pici> LjL: Everything.
[13:21] <topyli> this is like star trek. "commander LjL, the bots can't take much more"
[13:21] <LjL> i think one of these days the bots will revolt and permban me
[13:21] <topyli> "don't tell me what the bots can take! i created them!"
[13:22] <LjL> the question is, will they do that first or will you :P
[13:22] <bazhang> * [h4x0rs] (~maroccain@adsl196-211-58-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma): maroccain
[13:23] <LjL> oh lord
[13:23] <LjL> so it was maroccain yesterday too?
[13:23] <bazhang> if someone else wants to handle this. he PM me some very nasty stuff last time I banned him for praising bin laden, and going on and on in that vein
[13:24] <bazhang> he is ban evading, at the very least
[13:24] <LjL> he managed to be banned from ##club too
[13:24] <LjL> that really does mean he's bad :P
[13:24] <bazhang> and ##linux
[13:24] <bazhang> along with very bad bot
[13:49] <ikonia> is h4x0rs evading yes/no ?
[13:49] <bazhang> yes
[13:50] <ikonia> it's the same guy we spoke about the other day I assume
[13:50] <bazhang> yes
[13:50] <bazhang> very abusive and openly calling attention to his ban evading
[13:50] <ikonia> yes, I remember this discussion the other day
[14:21] <bazhang> LPIC is the linux exam?
[14:21] <LjL> je ne sais pas
[14:21] <Pici> I believe so.
 i want some document or blank exam if possible
[14:21] <Pici> ...
[14:22] <Pici> Thats likely for testing themselves, than for cheating.
[14:22] <Pici> Or at least I hope.
[14:22] <LjL> still not quite ontopic, is it?
[14:23] <bazhang> alumni exam?
[14:24] <bazhang> blackbit wants to give me the Turing Test , I presume as he's PM'd me
[14:24] <LjL> well drop the joke and tell him you're not a bot?
[14:29] <bazhang> since lmsensors got dropped in natty what replaces it? gkrellm?
[14:30] <bazhang> err lm-sensors
[14:30] <LjL> oh lord lm-sensors dropped? :(
[14:31] <bazhang> bizarre. when I just upgraded , it said obselete, but the bot says its still in
[14:33] <ikonia> I was surprised pidgin was still in main also
[14:37] <jpds> Wait, you guys haven't done the LPIC?
[14:38] <jpds> LjL: Point him at
[14:38] <jpds> http://lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1/exam_101_sample_questions
[14:38] <bazhang> I can barely install packages with apt!
[14:38] <LjL> pointed
[14:42] <LjL> [15:42:10] --> Nisstyre has joined this channel (~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info).
[14:42] <LjL> yesterday night this used changed nicks to Mark_Shuttlecock and some "other" user started asking him trollish things about Ubuntu being broken
[19:04] <jrib> at least they are original
[19:04] <jrib> oh wait
[19:04] <LjL> people, how about if the bots set a (brief?) +r every time there is a k-line?
[19:05] <jrib> no :(
[19:05] <LjL> lately, i've often seen someone joining, getting k-lined, and then someone else gets through
[19:05] <Pici> LjL: how short?
[19:05] <LjL> two minutes?
[19:06] <jrib> do k-lines really involve groups of ips more often than a single ip?
[19:06] <LjL> i wouldn't know that
[19:06] <LjL> i think in these cases i'm seeing, the k-lines are happening because these people are being recognized as open proxies shortly after joining
[19:06] <LjL> but i'm not really sure
[19:08] <IdleOne> Why doesn't freenode just deny access to any open proxy?
[19:10] <LjL> because how does it know it's an open proxy?
[19:10] <IdleOne> beats me
[19:10] <IdleOne> guess my question was stupid
[19:10] <LjL> not particularly
[19:10] <LjL> but there are two ways to detect open proxies
[19:11] <LjL> one is to use a blacklist, in which case you can just deny access
[19:11] <LjL> the other is probing on the fly, but then what happens if the proxy doesn't reply immediately?
[19:11] <IdleOne> it can't send to channel until it replies
[19:11] <LjL> it's conjectures, mind, i don't know how it really works on freenode
[19:11] <LjL> IdleOne: well if it's not a proxy, then it quite possibly will never reply
[19:12] <IdleOne> ok I clearer know nothing about this
[19:12] <IdleOne> :)
[19:12] <IdleOne> clearly*
[19:17] <Pici> 'go kiss a cobra'?
[19:17] <Pici> o.O
[19:17] <jrib> yes, wasn't sure how to take that...
[19:17] <IdleOne> not nicely
[19:18] <IdleOne> it is clear to me what it meant
[19:18] <jrib> I was going to pm, but whatever
[19:18] <Pici> I guess its sort of similar to 'kiss my asp'
[19:19] <IdleOne> more front facing but yeah
[19:19] <jrib> 60 hits on google for "go kiss a cobra"
[19:19] <Pici> Wierd.
[19:19] <Pici> Weird too
[20:09] <Pici> IdleOne: lars is still banned in -ot, right?
[20:09] <IdleOne> afaik
[20:10] <IdleOne> chronic ban evader he is
[21:09] <IdleOne> LjL: wasn't Nysstyre an issue yesterday?
[21:09] <IdleOne> Nisstyre
[21:09] <IdleOne> *
[21:10] <LjL> IdleOne: yes, about when i went to bed he nicked to Mark_Shuttlecock. he said nothing himself that i saw, but another user made reference to him
[21:10] <LjL> another user who could of course have been the same user
[21:10] <IdleOne> ok well he isn't using a bad nick now. Will keep a look out
[22:41]  * jrib wonders what the most gratuitous use of pastebin ever is
[22:42] <Pici> jrib: I thought that was the floodbots
[22:43] <jrib> haha
[22:44] <LjL> jrib:  http://pastebin.com/VGupZ3qn
[22:44] <jrib> heh
[22:45] <jrib> http://pastebin.com/nDYHgqV0 *
[22:46] <LjL> jrib: http://pastebin.com/gS0TCu3A
[22:47] <Flannel> LjL: I did find you!
[22:52] <jrib> LjL: haha


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[00:18] <rbasak> mapreri: looking, but also, that sounds like a missing Breaks clause then, no?
[00:21] <rbasak> mapreri: we don't usually release SRUs on Fridays or over the weekend. Not sure what to do here, but it's also 1am for me and I'm half asleep so I don't feel confident touching this right now.
[00:22] <rbasak> I suspect that I didn't release it before due to the automated Zesty regression note.
[00:24] <rbasak> And infinity relaesed it on Thursday I think? ^
[00:24] <rbasak> infinity: also see 17:47 UTC above.
[06:41] <infinity> rbasak: Nope, I didn't release it, but also don't mind doing the other bit now.  *shrug*
[06:42] <acheronUK> hi virtualbox 5.1.22-2~17.04.1  has been rleased to zesty-updates, but the matching extension pack and additions sources needed are still stuck in -proposed?
[06:43] <acheronUK> deliberate? oversight?
[06:44] <infinity> acheronUK: Literally just fixed.
[06:44] <infinity> But yes, probably an oversight when bdmurray did the release.
[06:44] <acheronUK> infinity: ok. thank you :)


[02:05] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [06:30] <michi> cihelp: I have a job on Jenkins that’s abnormally slow
[06:31] <michi> http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-scopes-api-devel-vivid-amd64-ci/41/console
[06:31] <michi> That one takes several minutes to compile files that normally are done in a second or two.
[06:31] <michi> It’s been compiling for over an hour on code that, normally, compiles in five minutes or less.
[06:31] <michi> Any help with that?
[06:48] <Mirv> (usually not at this hour :( )
[06:52] <michi> OK.
[06:52] <michi> Mirv: thanks
[06:53] <michi> cloud-worker-08 reports 4001 ms response time. Looks like that’s way too long.
[08:51] <ogra_> AlbertA, your mir packages sit still in vivid-proposed
[08:53] <ogra_> (i assume you need to ask an archive admin for NEW queue processing)
[08:53] <sil2100> mir-graphics-drivers-android/arm64 unsatisfiable Depends: libmirplatform4driver-android
[08:53] <sil2100> mir-graphics-drivers-android/arm64 unsatisfiable Depends: libmirclient8driver-android
[08:53] <ogra_> right, i bet they are stuck in NEW
[08:53]  * ogra_ didnt check
[08:54] <ogra_> oh
[08:54] <ogra_> arm64 ... fun
[08:58] <robru> sil2100: ogra_ I looked at that already, there's an all package depending on another package that only lists certain arches, so it should be simple enough to change the 'all' to have the same matching arch list
[08:58] <ogra_> well
[08:59] <ogra_> we will actually want that package on arm64 sooner or later
[08:59]  * ogra_ expects us to actually have to support 64bit HW before end of 2015 ...
[09:00] <ogra_> (on the phone i mean indeed)
[09:00] <ogra_> though i'm not sure we have the right hybris headers yet
[09:00] <robru> ogra_: depends if we're in a hurry or not then ;-)
[09:01] <ogra_> no,, it depends if we want this package on a "potentially forgotten" package list (that we dont maintain) until its bites our butts when trying to build arm64 images ;)
[09:02] <ogra_> i guess it is the right thin atm due to hybris
[09:03] <sil2100> In any way, the lander needs to know about this
[09:03] <ogra_> yeah
[09:03] <sil2100> AlbertA2: hey, give us a sign when you're around ;)
[09:25] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:25] <sil2100> davmor2: o/
[10:23] <sil2100> ogra_: poked victorp about the cgmanager issue, but I guess he's not around currently
[10:28] <ogra_> sil2100, thanks
[10:57] <brendand> sil2100, did the reminders update ever land in the archive?
[10:57] <sil2100> brendand: no, no one was around to test it properly so I never dared to release ;) But there is a vivid and rtm silo for that
[10:58] <brendand> sil2100, ah ok. i'm around now and will test it
[10:58] <sil2100> brendand: thanks!
[10:58] <brendand> sil2100, as we checked those packages aren't seeded so it can't possibly do any harm
[11:01] <ogra_> what do you mean by "no seeded" ??
[11:05] <ogra_> *not
[11:25] <sil2100> ogra_: we need to have a fix pushed to account-plugin-evernote, which is not seeded or pulled in by anything on our ubuntu-rtm images
[11:25] <ogra_> ah
[11:25] <ogra_> the silo only has the app
[11:47] <davmor2> ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1395682
[11:50] <ogra_> thanks
[11:53] <popey> davmor2: all the files on the sd card are owned by phablet?
[11:53] <popey> you don't have any root owned stuff there?
[13:05] <brendand> sil2100, so can that silo land?
[13:46] <Saviq> sil2100, Wellark, did we get anywhere with the libconnectivity-qt1-dev depends?
[13:46] <bzoltan> Mirv:  thanks ^
[13:51] <Mirv> bzoltan: np, it's building now.
[13:57] <om26er_> seb128,  who maintains ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts ?
[13:57] <seb128> om26er_, mardy
[13:58] <om26er_> seb128, thanks
[13:58] <seb128> yw!
[13:59] <sil2100> Saviq: I think it didn't move too much ;/ I think I need to prioritize it today
[13:59] <Saviq> sil2100, Wellark was considering making indicator-network a Recommends instead of Depedns
[13:59] <sil2100> Saviq: what about the idea of 2 new metapackages?
[14:00]  * sil2100 vaguely remembers hearing about that
[14:00] <Saviq> sil2100, you mean virtual ones?
[14:00] <sil2100> ogra_: ping... on the meeting I asked about how the revert of the u-a-l landing helps in the cgmanager issue - did anyone try that?
[14:00] <Saviq> sil2100, that wouldn't help when we don't have an alternative atm, we'd still need to Depends: indicator-network | the-virtual-one
[14:01] <ogra_> sil2100, it will just bring back the hard lock
[14:01] <ogra_> sil2100, you can try but it takes hours til the issue even shows up
[14:02] <sil2100> ogra_: since I'm considering testing a quick alternative - since it had to start somewhere, as we didn't have this issue a few images ago
[14:02] <ogra_> sil2100, we have had this issue since forever
[14:02] <ogra_> well
[14:02] <ogra_> since we enabled cgroups supposrt
[14:03] <ogra_> sil2100, and you will ave a hard time to repro it if you dont actually use the phone heavily for some hours
[14:05] <ogra_> sil2100,  the onyl thing we could roll back if the whole of cgroups support ... remember that we had to roll it back due to this issue ... then tedg enabled it believing it was working ... since then we catch up with the symptoms
[14:08] <ogra_> s/if/is/
[14:09]  * sil2100 shrugs
[14:10] <ogra_> sil2100, that means we lose lifecycle management
[14:10] <ogra_> or at least big parts of it
[14:10] <sil2100> We can't release without it as it was a hard requirement
[14:11] <ogra_> sil2100, oh, and if you chack bug 1377332, the cgmanager task was never closed or fixed
[14:11] <ogra_> sits in incomplete/critical
[14:11] <ogra_> and unassigned
[14:23] <brendand_> sil2100, i might have missed your response about the reminders-app landing?
[14:23] <ogra_> sil2100, i commented on bug 1394919 ...
[14:23] <sil2100> brendand_: hey! So, is it tested? Does it help?
[14:23] <brendand_> sil2100, no - which silo is it?
[14:23] <sil2100> brendand_: rtm silo 12
[14:24] <brendand_> sil2100, obviously :)
[14:24] <brendand_> sil2100, i was just looking at clock app failures, now i'll check that
[14:25] <sil2100> brendand_: thanks!
[14:26] <sil2100> ogra_: so let's gather more information this way, but I'm exploring all possible workarounds for the worst case scenario
[14:27] <ogra_> sil2100, i dont see any but dropping all of cgroups support again
[14:27] <ogra_> it never worked
[14:27] <sil2100> Yeah, but now it got more visible it seems
[14:27] <ogra_> not really much more though
[14:28] <ogra_> i always had to reboot my phone on the weekend since we enabled it
[14:28] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1377332/comments/40
[14:28] <ogra_> heh
[14:28] <ogra_> hallyn even says it is dying
[14:28] <sil2100> Since even after enabling cgroup support (which was really some time ago), I remember people mentioning that the system was good - at least I don't remember you mentioning it to be as bad ;)
[14:29] <ogra_> sil2100, that bug is from image 79
[14:29] <ogra_> thats nearly 100 images ago
[14:32] <ogra_> sil2100, seriously, the only non crashy option will be to disable cgroups again and live with it ... or to fix cgmanager now ... its a shame that bug didnt get finished but i blame bug management via spreadsheets here, that made it fall off the radar
[14:33] <Elleo> cihelp: Would someone mind triggering jenkins on this community MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~danielholm/ubuntu-keyboard/ubuntu-keyboard/+merge/242580 thanks :)
[14:33] <ogra_> the bug was reported during the sprint ... ted had attempted to land cgroups before the sprint and had to roll it back due to this bug ... then after the sprint added the recoverable error bit to UAL
[14:33] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, it introduced a lot of unneeded confusion, as this just means that one of our topblockers simply hasn't been fixed
[14:33] <ogra_> right
[14:37] <olli> so...
[14:37] <olli> sil2100, what about applying ted's "fix" from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1394919
[14:38] <sil2100> olli: it will just fix the apport bit, but we'll still have cgmanager crashing
[14:38] <ogra_> olli, again ... this wont fix cgmanager ... who is responsible for the fix
[14:38] <olli> sil2100, does cgmanager recover after a crash
[14:38] <ogra_> no+
[14:38] <olli> ogra_, I understand that
[14:39] <ogra_> and because it doesnt we have the hang
[14:39] <olli> ogra_, so what made it worse
[14:39] <ogra_> and the ball on the original bu was dropped a month ago
[14:39] <olli> it seemed to have been fine around the RC image
[14:39] <ogra_> olli, for me it was never better or worse
[14:39] <olli> "fine" as in not noted that frequently
[14:39] <sil2100> From what ogra_ says, it was never better
[14:39] <sil2100> Which is a bit strange
[14:39] <pmcgowan> ogra_, is there something in particular that triggers it?
[14:39] <ogra_> tedg made it more visible in /var/crash, thats all
[14:39] <sil2100> QA mentions they noticed it getting worse since last week
[14:40] <ogra_> sil2100, yes, because the look at it more closely now
[14:40] <sil2100> Maybe
[14:40] <ogra_> sil2100, it only shows up after 4-6h of constant use of the phone
[14:40] <ogra_> nobody in QA does that except when dogfooding
[14:40] <sil2100> davmor2: did you see that constantly? ^
[14:41] <ogra_> pmcgowan, we dont know ... the data we need for this was never collected in the original bug
[14:41] <olli> ogra_, sil2100 as you might have noticed, I added an appointment in 50min to fix the plan, if we haven't done so by then
[14:41] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i enabled what hally asked for and run my phone like this now ...
[14:41] <sil2100> In any case, I see a lot of people are now trying to gather as much info as they can
[14:41] <olli> any ping from hallyn yet this AM?
[14:42] <jibel> ogra_, I did too this morning, but I cannot reproduce the problem since I enabled it
[14:42] <ogra_> olli, i pinged in #ubuntu-devel but didnt get any reply
[14:42] <olli> so, to get it right...
[14:42] <ogra_> jibel, well, perhaps thats our workaround ;)
[14:42] <olli> ogra_, you are saying the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1377332 never fixed the actual issue
[14:43] <ogra_> it will massively produce log spam though
[14:43] <ogra_> olli, there was never a fix
[14:43] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I only saw it once or twice, jibel has seen more I think and popey
[14:43] <jibel> I hit the problem twice yestarday but cannot find how
[14:43] <ogra_> olli, only quietening of the symptom ... see the cgmanager task
[14:44] <ogra_> jibel, i hit it since a month and cant ... usually only on weekends though
[14:44] <ogra_> this weekend i packaged a lot of new webapp games and tested them ... probably playing a lot is the right way to repro :)
[14:45] <olli> sil2100, ogra_, so while I agree that the cgmanager crash is bad
[14:45] <olli> we really have 2 issues to deal with again
[14:46] <olli> the apport one which was revealed by the fix for ^ bug
[14:46] <olli> and then the actual crash
[14:46] <ogra_> the apport bit is ignorable atm
[14:46] <brendand_> sil2100, it makes things better but still not perfect
[14:47] <jibel> the apport crash is minor
[14:47] <ogra_> olli, if cgmanager is fixed (which must happen) there wont be an apport issue
[14:47] <jibel> it's just a stacktrace that says it cannot collect information about the process
[14:47] <olli> ogra_, I agree that we need to fix it
[14:47] <olli> .oO(not sure for GM though)
[14:48] <olli> jibel, so the user impact on 1394919 is none
[14:48] <olli> just traces in /var?
[14:48] <ogra_> olli, well, you have apport trying to collect info and it makes the device slow
[14:49] <ogra_> close to unresponsible
[14:49] <jibel> olli, yes it's none
[14:49] <olli> so we should consider taking ted's latest patch which will disable the apport invocation
[14:49] <olli> ogra_, ^
[14:49] <ogra_> the point is still, we cant release with cgmanager in the state it is currently
[14:49] <jibel> ogra_, not even because apport stops immediatly since it crashes
[14:49] <pmcgowan> jibel, any idea how frequent this is?
[14:49] <ogra_> we either roll back cgroup support completely (which rips out cgmanager)
[14:50] <ogra_> or we find a fix *now*
[14:50] <olli> ogra_, it was good enough for RC, wasn't it
[14:50] <sil2100> I think we cannot get that... and getting a fix might also prove to be a bit troublesome
[14:50] <ogra_> olli, with that original bug open as topblocker
[14:50] <jibel> pmcgowan, no, that's the problem. We cannot find a way to reproduce and the symptoms are so vague that it's difficult to know if it is the same bug when it happens
[14:50] <ogra_> yes, it was
[14:50] <pmcgowan> jibel, ack
[14:50] <olli> thx jibel
[14:50] <pmcgowan> if I see recoverable problem in /var/crash did I exprience hte issue?
[14:51] <sil2100> olli: so, the biggest problem is as I mentioned: it basically means that one of our topblocker is still open and not fixed ;/
[14:51] <ogra_> pmcgowan, yes
[14:51] <pmcgowan> so I got it yesterday first time then
[14:51] <olli> sil2100, that's OK
[14:51] <ogra_> pmcgowan, at least UAL thinks you did and tols apport to collect info
[14:51] <ogra_> *told
[14:51] <jibel> pmcgowan, if the pid in the stacktrace corresponds to cgmanager, then you are experiencing the same problem
[14:51] <olli> if we can't easily reproduce then we might want to rethink whether this bug classifies as topblocker
[14:51] <ogra_> olli, imho we should roll back cgroup support
[14:52] <olli> ogra_, what was the bug for that?
[14:52] <sil2100> I'm not sure if that's an option...
[14:52] <olli> that might be another option
[14:52] <ogra_> olli, bug 1377332
[14:52] <olli> but I think that's quite invasive to do until tomorrow
[14:52] <sil2100> In the time we were getting cgroup support in, I remember this being labelled as 'required for RTM'
[14:52] <ogra_> right
[14:52] <olli> ogra_, that's not cgroup support is it
[14:52] <ogra_> it is an essential part of the lifecycle mgmt
[14:53] <olli> I thought cgroup support came in to lifecycle manage webapps
[14:53] <olli> which iirc was a different bug
[14:53] <ogra_> olli, that was the bug that caused cgroup support to be rolled back
[14:53] <ogra_> was it ?
[14:53] <pmcgowan> ogra_, are we waiting to repro with debug enabled right now?
[14:53] <ogra_> oh, right, there was one before ... this one bubbled up right after croup support finally landed then
[14:53] <ogra_> i cant find it though
[14:54] <ogra_> pmcgowan, well, thats my only idea beyond ... well... findin hallyn to give us better ideas
[14:55] <brendand_> sil2100, can we land it and then deal with the other issues seperately?
[14:56] <sil2100> brendand_: I suppose, if you give it a QA sign-off then I'm +1 on that ;)
[14:58] <sil2100> brendand_: thanks! Let me close my eyes now and publish ;D
[14:59] <ogra_> *boom*
[14:59] <ogra_> :)
[15:02] <sil2100> popey: hey! If you're still around: would you mind if I release a new .deb version of reminders-app now? This will basically commit one additional commit to trunk with the debian/changelog etc.
[15:03] <sil2100> dpm_: hello, maybe you're around and could answer the above question? ^
[15:13] <popey> sil2100: speak to dpm
[15:13] <popey> <- on airport wifi
[15:13] <sil2100> popey: did that, thanks :)
[15:13] <popey> coolio
[15:14]  * ogra_ recommends "cartoon flight" for airports
[15:14] <popey> is it in the store?
[15:15] <ogra_> sure
[15:15] <popey> ooh thats fun
[15:15] <ogra_> :)
[15:15] <ogra_> i love the graphics
[15:17] <dpm_> sil2100, if we release a .deb version of reminders now, will it affect in any way the app that's in the store? Or the authentication plugin?
[15:17] <dpm_> sil2100, I guess not, as none of the packages are installed from the seeds, but I'd like to be extra sure
[15:18] <sil2100> dpm_: I think it won't affect anything besides tests, as I checked that none are installed anywhere - but I was poking you guys to make sure about that :)
[15:18] <sil2100> As I only see how it looks like from the rootfs's POV
[15:21] <dpm_> sil2100, essentially, we don't need any packages from reminders-app for the app to work. The .deb packages are only there to make Jenkins happy
[15:21] <sil2100> dpm_: ok, so I guess it's fine to release this then I suppose
[15:22] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:22]  * sil2100 presses publish
[15:22] <dpm_> sil2100, given the caveat above I'd think it's safe, yes
[15:26] <AlbertA> sil2100: hi I'm here...so mir is stuck?
[15:28] <popey> ogra_: ever have a situation where lock screen, apps and indicators respond to touch events but the shell doesn't?
[15:28] <sil2100> AlbertA: hey, yeah... there's an issue with mir-graphics-drivers-android as it seems to be an 'any' package, while its dependencies are built only for selected architectures
[15:28] <ogra_> popey, i had that too before, yes
[15:28] <ogra_> popey, any crash files ?
[15:28] <popey> had it today
[15:29] <sil2100> AlbertA: e.g. libmirplatform4driver-android and libmirclient8driver-android  only build for certain archs, and are missing arm64 binaries in this case
[15:29] <AlbertA> sil2100: right....
[15:29] <popey> only one for location service
[15:30] <pmcgowan> popey, I had the dash disappear the other day while launcher and indicators were there, maybe similar
[15:30] <AlbertA> sil2100: ok we'll fix it...
[15:30] <popey> and not at the right time
[15:30] <sil2100> AlbertA: we can re-release it from the same silo, so just push your changes to the same place and rebuild
[15:30] <popey> also, had osk not coming up in g+ when writing a comment
[15:30] <popey> had to switch to terminal to bring it up and switch back again
[15:31] <popey> no amount of stabbing G+ would bring it up
[15:31] <AlbertA> sil2100: ack
[15:32] <popey> bfiller: ever get green picture when taking photos on krillin?
[15:32] <popey> known issue?
[15:33] <popey> i took two pictures, first was fine, next was solid green with some jpeg style corruption in top left
[15:33] <bfiller> popey: weird, no. Kaleo ^^^?
[15:34] <popey> sergiusens: can we please get that wording changed in the indicator notifications "You have an approximate of 15 unread messages" makes my teeth itch every time I see it ☻
[15:48] <sil2100> AlbertA: thanks!
[15:59] <Kaleo> bfiller, popey, never seen that nor heard of it
[16:07] <sergiusens> popey: oh, if you get all the paperwork done, sure ;-)
[16:07] <sergiusens> popey: or for vivid?
[16:08] <sergiusens> popey: I do risk breaking all the translations for rtm though; not sure that's desirable
[16:11] <bzoltan> Mirv: sil2100: The oneliner fix for qtbase in silo2 is good. I have checked the binary strings. It is good to land.
[16:12] <bzoltan> Mirv: sil2100: ...and may I ask for a silo for line 47?
[16:24] <sil2100> brendand_: do you have a vivid device as well?
[16:25] <sil2100> Oh, you tested it on vivid too
[16:25] <sil2100> Sorry, missed that part, let me publish
[16:26] <dbarth> hi trainguards: we have silos 25 & 29 ready to publish now
[16:26] <sil2100> dbarth: o/
[16:26] <sil2100> bzoltan: o/
[16:29] <sil2100> dbarth: can you top-approve the merges in 29?
[16:31] <sil2100> ogra_: can I ask you for a packaging ACK for webbrowser? It's only a dependency bump: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-025-2-publish/10/artifact/packaging_changes_webbrowser-app_0.23+15.04.20141121-0ubuntu1.diff
[16:32] <dbarth> sil2100: yes
[16:32] <sil2100> dbarth: thanks, give a sign when I can re-run
[16:32] <dbarth> sil2100: done
[16:32] <ogra_> sil2100, ACK (if it was made sure it doesnt break apps in the store to bump this indeed)
[16:33] <brendand_> tvoss, where's the trust db again?
[16:34]  * ogra_ has it here in a bag ... but wont tell you :P
[16:35] <tvoss> brendand_, ~/.local/share/UbuntuLocationService/trust.db
[16:44] <sil2100> brendand_: btw. did you have a moment to take a look at dialer AP tests?
[16:44] <brendand_> sil2100, yeah they are not reproducible really
[16:45] <brendand_> sil2100, i ran 20 times and got 1 (different) failure
[16:45] <sil2100> wow
[17:53] <zsombi> timp: I've added action press highlight and fixed the listitem highlight, I have two unit tests failing, I have to address those. Pls review the changes and I will add the tests tomorrow
[17:53]  * zsombi goes off now, C U tomorrow
[18:16] <sil2100> ogra_: re: the adbd change you announced - any luck with the #1387214 adbd part? :)
[18:16] <ogra_> sil2100, i'll hopefully get to that tomorrow when i'm not in meetings til the middle of the night :P
[18:16] <sil2100> ;p
[18:16] <ogra_> sil2100, but thats a corner case and can also wait til ota-1
[18:17] <sil2100> Sure, we won't risk it for GM, but asking out of curiosity
[18:17] <ogra_> the current setup will shield us from the brakage it could cause ... it is juts a "potential breakage"
[18:17] <ogra_> sil2100, though ... i could sneak it in while distracting olli with something else :)
[18:18] <sil2100> Let's wave some topblockers in front of him and land it from the shadows!
[18:18] <ogra_> yeah :)
[18:37] <olli> yeah, I'll be busy reading the patches
[18:37] <olli> I mean writing...
[18:37] <olli> :P
[18:38] <ogra_> hah
[18:41] <sil2100> alex-abreu: ping
[18:42] <alex-abreu> sil2100, pong
[18:43] <sil2100> alex-abreu: hey! I have been looking at the packaging changes for silo 29
[18:43] <sil2100> alex-abreu: and I have a question
[18:43] <alex-abreu> sil2100, yes
[18:44] <sil2100> alex-abreu: unity-webapps-qml has this: "+Depends: liboxideqt-qmlplugin (>= 1.2.0) | qml-module-qtwebkit," <- does this mean that this package is backward compatible and will still work with qml-module-qtwebkit?
[18:44] <alex-abreu> sil2100, yes
[18:44] <sil2100> ACK
[18:44] <sil2100> ogra_: hey, have a minute for a packaging ACK? ;)
[18:45] <ogra_> sure
[18:46] <sil2100> ogra_: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-029-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-webapps-qml_0.1+15.04.20141122-0ubuntu1.diff <- qml bindings changed to support oxide, but is backward compatible still
[18:49] <bzoltan> sil2100: is everything OK with the silo2?
[18:52] <bzoltan> thanks sil2100
[18:52] <sil2100> bzoltan: sorry it took so long, I thought Mirv had that on his radar :)
[18:52] <sil2100> (but I guess it was too late already)
[18:53] <om26er> rsalveti, Hi I am almost done testing the pulseaudio silo. Is there something to look out for (except for whats mentioned in spreadsheet) ?
[18:53] <bzoltan> sil2100:  no worries... I am pushing it because it might be critical fix for those rare users who use i386 desktop
[18:53] <om26er> rsalveti, whats the regression potential ?
[18:54] <rsalveti> om26er: no, besides checking that pulse is indeed not consuming much cpu after the app goes to background, just exploratory tests (audio related)
[18:54] <bzoltan> sil2100: If there is an available silo I could use it for line 47 and tomorrow i could start landing there the UITK too
[18:54] <rsalveti> om26er: it changes a core piece in pulse, but the side effect would be that a stream could be muted when it shouldn't
[18:55] <rsalveti> so if, for whatever reason, you can't play an audio, let me know
[18:55] <om26er> sounds scary
[18:55] <rsalveti> just playback, not recording
[19:17] <om26er> rsalveti, approved. One a sider note it seems like we could easily automate the role verification tests from the pulseaudio with a little bit of effort.
[19:18] <om26er> Perhaps something to consider for the near future.
[19:19] <rsalveti> om26er: which ones exactly?
[19:20] <rsalveti> if from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/pulseaudio, yeah
[19:20] <rsalveti> just need a real hardware
[19:20] <om26er> rsalveti, yes, those.
[19:20] <rsalveti> but creating a test script at least should already help indeed
[19:21] <om26er> yeah, just attach to the wiki and the tester could execute that.
[19:21] <om26er> I might try to put something together if I get sometime.
[19:22] <rsalveti> cool, yeah, that is doable
[19:28] <sil2100> ogra_: hmmm, and my e-mail still didn't appear in the archive... not even in the date.html one
[19:28] <sil2100> This is ridiciulous
[19:29] <ogra_> mine didnt either
[19:29] <ogra_> (the announcement for adb)
[19:29] <ogra_> but looks like i have a nightshift ahead anyway
[19:29] <ogra_> rolling back all these changes
[19:29] <sil2100> Which changes?
[19:30] <ogra_> adbd
[19:30] <sil2100> Right, ouch
[19:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: publishing silo 2 then
[19:42] <rsalveti> guess we want a new image after that is in
[19:42] <rsalveti> olli: ^
[19:43] <ogra_> yeah, i'll take care
[19:43] <olli> rsalveti, nice
[19:44] <sil2100> o/
[19:46] <sil2100> ogra_: btw. I know you're busy now, just a quick question - did you have a time for that quick packaging ACK I asked 1h ago? :)
[19:46] <ogra_> sil2100, oops
[19:47] <ogra_> sil2100, this is weird, i'm sure i answered but i dont see it above
[19:48] <sil2100> ogra_: I know you +1ed one earlier packaging ACK, but I poked about another one ;)
[19:48] <ogra_> oh
[19:48] <ogra_> sil2100, ack then
[19:49] <ogra_> (seems to be the same in a different package :P )
[19:50] <sil2100> :D
[19:50] <sil2100> Thanks!
[19:50] <sil2100> (I also sanity-checked it, but formalities are formalities!)
[19:57] <olli>  ogra_, are we building the next image with just the pulse fix
[19:58] <ogra_> olli, yes, once it landed
[20:32] <ogra_> image build triggered ...
[20:34] <imgbot> [20:52] <bfiller> robru: can I have a silo for line 48 please?
[20:53] <robru> bfiller: alright, vivid 7
[20:53] <bfiller> robru: thank you
[20:53] <robru> bfiller: you're welcome
[21:32] <robru> tvoss: vivid 11
[21:33] <tvoss> robru, thanks
[21:34] <robru> tvoss: you're welcome
[21:41] <robru> mandel: vivid 15
[21:42] <mandel> robru, silo 15 you mean?
[21:42] <mandel> awesome
[21:42] <robru> mandel: yeah
[21:43] <robru> mandel: a little shorthand since I have to type that like 50 times per day ;-)
[21:43] <mandel> robru, no problem, I was missing just a little context :)
[21:49] <imgbot> [21:50] <imgbot> [21:50] <ogra_> olli, ^^^one for you
[21:50] <olli> nice!
[21:50] <olli> happy testing
[21:51]  * ogra_ waits for the upgrade-notification on his phone ...
[21:51] <bzoltan> robru:  the silo5 is good to go
[21:54] <bzoltan> robru:  I see on the http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html that the qtbase is "regressing" on kdeplasma-addons. That is nonsense :) this change is a single line change what can not effect the kde package.
[21:54] <cjwatson> bzoltan: Looks like flaky testbed issues.  I'll retry
[21:54] <bzoltan> robru: This is the delta in qtbase http://launchpadlibrarian.net/191089972/qtbase-opensource-src_5.3.2%2Bdfsg-4ubuntu5_5.3.2%2Bdfsg-4ubuntu6.diff.gz
[21:55] <bzoltan> cjwatson: Thank you
[21:55] <robru> cjwatson: yeah I was just gonna say. thanks.
[21:57] <cjwatson> Was just passing.  I should be a good boy and go away again
[22:05] <popey> I'm trying to summon up the energy to file the 14 bugs I found on the flight over here
[22:07] <ogra_> bah
[22:08] <ogra_> upgrade and my location indicator is gone
[22:08]  * ogra_ blames rsalveti ... since pulse was the only thing landing in this image
[22:11] <ogra_> hmm, and the indicator was actually correct ... GPS was disabled
[22:22] <bzoltan> robru: May i ask for a reconf on the silo16? I have just added the -gles twin package what comes from a different project.
[22:23] <robru> bzoltan: sure one sec
[22:23] <bzoltan> robru:  thanks
[22:24] <robru> bzoltan: done. you're welcome!
[22:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: haha, indicator might be talking with gps via sound or something
[22:36] <ogra_> ah, you mean thats the weird sounds i hear at boot ?
[22:36] <ogra_> :)
[22:37] <ToyKeeper> Er, I get beeps and clicks and buzzes from my stereo speakers whenever a krillin is nearby and trying to use cell data...  but I don't otherwise tend to hear weird sounds from it.
[22:37] <ogra_> yeah, i was joking, no worries, no new bugs :)
[22:39] <rsalveti> :-)
[22:42] <ToyKeeper> It does have a curiously strong magnet inside...  I wonder if that'll change for production units, to avoid wiping credit cards and such.
[23:16] <michi> cihelp: Anyone around to look at Jenkins for me?
[23:19] <michi> cihelp: Apparently not.
[23:20] <michi> cihelp: cloud-worker-08 has had problems since yesterday.
[23:20] <michi> cihelp: It runs unbelievably slowly, taking ages to compile anything. My arm build finishes buliding and testing *before* the same build finishes compiling on amd64.
[23:21] <michi> cihelp: cloud-worker-08 yesterday reported 4000 ms response time. Now, when I look, it says
[23:21] <michi> “Time out for last 1 try”
[23:23] <michi> cihelp: Could someone please take a look and fix it or take it off-line? Every time my build happens to get scheduled on that machine, things take well over two hours to finish. Normally, it takes about 20 minutes.
[23:26] <robru> michi: ok, I marked that one as offline. hope that helps until somebody is around to fix it for real.
[23:26] <michi> robru: thanks heaps!
[23:26] <robru> michi: you're welcome