[00:18] <mhall119> anders3408: yeah, I'll be on and off all evening
[00:18] <mhall119> anders3408: anywhere you can upload the builds, just email me instructions and links
[00:19] <anders3408> mhall119:  its all uploaded
[00:19] <mhall119> anders3408: then all I need is an email from you :)
[00:20] <anders3408> mhall119: https://plus.google.com/107310930968828806488/posts/1EryciLvGLY
[00:21] <anders3408> i have a video of it to, but music player does work, just a bit tricky to add files and chmod and chown those
[00:22] <cwayne> huh, weird bug with the messaging app
[00:22] <mhall119> anders3408: I have the white Find 5, I hope that doesn't make a difference to the build
[00:23] <anders3408> nope it doesnt :) mhall119
[00:23] <mhall119> IIRC, they were different sizes storage at least
[00:23] <anders3408> yes but sdcard aint being used :)
[00:23] <anders3408> only system and data partition for now
[00:29] <anders3408> mhall119:  email is being writting now with a  clear guide :)
[00:37] <anders3408> mhall119:  should i write a guide how to test music app also ? or is it enough that you can test ringtones and so ? i have a video recorded when i tested music app myself
[00:39] <MDesigner> hey guys, can anyone help me out? trying to get Ubuntu Touch onto my new Nexus 4
[00:39] <MDesigner> having great difficulty
[00:39] <MDesigner> despite following the steps here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[00:40] <MDesigner> at the "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup" part, it reboots the Nexus, which then shows an android with his panel open and a red exclamation point.
[00:40] <MDesigner> errors: http://pastebin.com/wWYmvnTN
[00:47] <isantop> MDesigner: Try running this command: phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[00:48] <isantop> MDesigner: I'm thinking that your device hasn't been bootstrapped yet.
[00:49] <MDesigner> -b is not a valid option
[00:49] <MDesigner> which is weird
[00:49] <MDesigner> oh wait
[00:49] <MDesigner> now it works. wtf?
[00:49] <MDesigner> I tried phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b
[00:49] <MDesigner> maybe that's what failed
[00:50] <MDesigner> d'oh.
[00:50] <MDesigner> thanks, isantop. rretrying
[00:51] <MDesigner> the instructions are misleading, makes it sound like you can just pick ubuntu-system and you don't need to do cdimage-touch. so that's what I did.
[00:51] <MDesigner> but I guess I'll just stick with cdimage-touch, can't hurt
[00:54] <anders3408> mhall119: email is sent with a huge guide :)
[00:54] <isantop> MDesigner: If you want to switch to ubuntu-system after you get it up and running, you can run: phablet-flash ubuntu-system
[00:55] <MDesigner> ok. any difference, really?
[00:55] <MDesigner> it says ubuntu-system can be updated over the air. I assume with cdimage there's some other way to update?
[01:01] <anders3408> mhall119: im afk in the next periode, but hit me up on either g+ or mail :)
[01:01] <isantop> I thought they both could, but I could be wrong.
[01:02] <isantop> Anybody know if the "Download [U1]" button works in the dash?
[01:02] <MDesigner> ok there we go
[01:03] <MDesigner> now I got an ubuntu logo and some menu options.. reboot, wipe data/cache, etc. I chose reboot. now my phone is stuck at the Google logo
[01:04] <isantop> MDesigner: you have to let it sit there for quite some time. It won't be done until it's booted into Ubuntu and the terminal has finished.
[01:05] <MDesigner> oh oops. ok
[01:05] <MDesigner> so I'll let it sit at the Google logo then. this is a one time thing I take it?
[01:06] <isantop> MDesigner: Yeah, once it's up and running you shouldn't have to do this often.
[01:06] <MDesigner> ok
[01:07] <isantop> If it never goes away from the Google logo, you may need to restore an Android factory image through fastboot, then start over .
[01:07] <MDesigner> ok
[01:07] <MDesigner> still at the G logo. hmm
[01:07] <MDesigner> so, once phablet-flash was done, the phone booted and I was at the Ubuntu logo w/ some menu options
[01:07] <MDesigner> I wasn't sure what I was supposed to pick
[01:08] <MDesigner> I just chose "reboot". but there was some other stuff, I forget what.
[01:08] <isantop> MDesigner: You shouldn't pick anything there. I think that might have done it.
[01:08] <MDesigner> well shoot
[01:09] <MDesigner> ok gotta start over
[01:10] <MDesigner> shoot. my phone won't do anything
[01:10] <MDesigner> I'm not sure what to do
[01:10] <isantop> MDesigner: Here's the factory image: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/occam-jwr66y-factory-74b1deab.tgz
[01:11] <MDesigner> I can get into recovery mode
[01:11] <MDesigner> w/ the Ubuntu logo
[01:11] <MDesigner> that's about it
[01:12] <MDesigner> install zip from sdcard, install zip from sideload, wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache partition, backup and restore, mounts and storage, advanced
[01:15] <MDesigner> crap.. did I brick my phone???
[01:17] <isantop> Nexuses are very hard to brick. ;-)
[01:17] <MDesigner> ok so.. what do I do? all I can do is get to that Ubuntu boot menu
[01:17] <MDesigner> you're my only hope at this point :)
[01:18] <isantop> MDesigner: On your desktop, run this command in the terminal: adb reboot bootloader
[01:18] <MDesigner> device not found
[01:19] <MDesigner> ah there it goes
[01:19] <isantop> MDesigner: Okay, hold the power button till the phone turns off.
[01:19] <MDesigner> ok... now I'm at the menu
[01:19] <MDesigner> with the android w/ his panel open
[01:20] <isantop> Leave it there, with it plugged in.
[01:20] <MDesigner> ok..
[01:20] <isantop> MDesigner: Next, download the factory image above and extract it.
[01:21] <MDesigner> yep, gotcha. then run ./flash-all.sh ?
[01:21] <isantop> Yup.
[01:21] <isantop> This will put it back into Android
[01:22] <MDesigner> gotcha. ok.. then redo everything and next time after phablet-flash when the Ubuntu bootloader comes up.. DON'T do anything? :)
[01:22] <isantop> Yeah, leave it until the terminal prompt comes back up on the computer.
[01:22] <isantop> It will be installing the image, which takes a while too.
[01:23] <isantop> Let it sit and it will eventually boot into Ubuntu.
[01:23] <MDesigner> ahhh gotcha. I figured it wanted me to do something, since it was sitting at the menu
[01:23] <isantop> Basically, run  the command, then don't mess with the phone until you're finished.
[01:24] <MDesigner> roger that!
[01:27] <MDesigner> ok here we go
[01:31] <MDesigner> GAH
[01:31] <MDesigner> head, meet wall
[01:32] <MDesigner> adb reboot bootloader -> insufficient permissions
[01:32] <MDesigner> I messed up the process and am at the Google logo again.
[01:37] <isantop> If you need to get back to the bootloader screen manually, you can hold the power button till the phone turns off, then hold both volume buttons and the power button.
[01:38] <MDesigner> ok. yeah.. back on track now
[01:38] <MDesigner> I don't have to do the fastboot oem unlock again, right?
[01:39] <MDesigner> ok I have a totally fresh Android install now
[01:40] <MDesigner> SO... enable USB debugging on the phone., accept the host key..
[01:40] <MDesigner> and then phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b ?
[01:43] <MDesigner> ok lemme see if phablet-flash will work now
[01:44] <MDesigner> no. NO!
[01:44] <MDesigner> INFO:phablet-flash:Clearing /data and /cache
[01:44] <MDesigner> error: insufficient permissions for device
[01:44] <MDesigner> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell mount /data' returned non-zero exit status 255
[01:44] <MDesigner> every damned time!
[01:44] <MDesigner> phablet-flash looks lke it's almos done, then Google logo on the NExus
[01:44] <MDesigner> and then the phoen screen goes black and I get that error
[01:44] <MDesigner> bloody hell!!
[02:31] <MDesigner> finally got it. man, those instructions are completely wrong
[02:31] <MDesigner> had to do a manual install
[02:32] <MDesigner> and I dunno why the manual install has you installing the armel version before the armhf
[02:32] <MDesigner> it's not necessary. I just installed the armhf
[04:15] <muffy> muffy
[05:50] <drachensun> where should system and vendor be mounted?  just under root
[05:50] <drachensun> ?
[06:14] <Huj> Hi ;)
[06:18] <Huj> Hi ;)
[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <lool> morning dholbach
[07:20] <dholbach> hi lool
[07:27] <nolinuxnoparty> Hey their.. I was trying to port Ubuntu Touch for Oppo Find 5.. But got these errors while compilation
[07:27] <nolinuxnoparty> target Strip: libstagefright (/home/nolinuxnoparty/ubuntu-s4/out/target/product/find5/obj/lib/libstagefright.so) target thumb C++: libqservice <= hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqservice/IQService.cpp make: *** [/home/nolinuxnoparty/ubuntu-s4/out/target/product/find5/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libexternal_intermediates/external.o] Error 1 make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[07:27] <nolinuxnoparty> Any help? :)
[07:28] <nolinuxnoparty> http://pastebin.com/KbbgcfSK
[07:34] <nolinuxnoparty> ?
[07:38] <lool> nolinuxnoparty: the actual error is: /home/nolinuxnoparty/ubuntu-s4/out/target/product/find5/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/usr/include/video/msm_hdmi_modes.h:214:43: error: narrowing conversion of 'i' from 'int' to 'uint32_t {aka unsigned int}' inside { } is ill-formed in C++11 [-Werror=narrowing]
[07:39] <lool> nolinuxnoparty: so this header either fails to compile with this compiler or these build flags; you may either try to fix the actual error (check the construct there) or disable the error or switch compiler
[07:44] <drachensun> I'm having a hell of a time trying to debug lxc, under /var/log/lxc/android.log I get this
[07:44] <drachensun> lxc-start         42.808 ERROR    lxc_conf - Script exited with status 1
[07:44] <drachensun>       lxc-start         42.809 ERROR    lxc_start - failed to run pre-start hooks for container 'android'.
[07:44] <drachensun>       lxc-start         42.810 ERROR    lxc_start - failed to initialize the container
[07:44] <drachensun>       lxc-start         42.810 ERROR    lxc_commands - command get_init_pid failed to receive response
[07:44] <drachensun> I can't figure out how to debug the lxc_conf error
[07:45] <drachensun> I've tried to debug the /etc/init/lxc*.conf files but no statements I put in there have any effect, its like they are never called
[07:46] <drachensun> anyone have any thoughts?
[07:49] <nolinuxnoparty> @lool: Switch compiler :| armeabi-4.8?
[07:52] <ziaagikian> Hi can i port my samsung s2 hd phone to ubuntu touch??
[07:53] <nolinuxnoparty> o.O
[07:54] <nolinuxnoparty> ^^'
[08:13] <drachensun> ok, know how I can get a console on /dev/ttyS0
[08:13] <drachensun> any know how I mean
[08:27] <asac> ogra_: popey: 52 seems to be on the way to be good
[08:28] <popey> asac: not sure if that means "it's on the way to being a good build" or "it's on the way to build"?
[08:28] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/
[08:28] <ogra_> popey, ^^
[08:28] <asac> popey: dashboard wise its pretty certain we want to release i mean
[08:28] <asac> :)
[08:28] <ogra_> still missing 8 tests on mako
[08:28] <asac> so if you want to test you can do at time of your convenience
[08:29] <popey> asac: which random command do I invoke to get 52?
[08:29] <asac> popey: its latest in --channel=daily-proposed
[08:29] <popey> ok
[08:29]  * popey flashes at asac
[08:29] <ogra_> popey, it should also be offered OTA
[08:30] <ogra_> (if you are on that channel)
[08:30] <popey> even though it's only proposed?
[08:30] <lool> popey: phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel daily-proposed --no-backup -d mako
[08:30] <ogra_> asac, i think stgraber has renamed the channels
[08:30] <lool> yes, I got 52 OTA today
[08:30] <popey> can we _please_ keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install up to date?
[08:30] <ogra_> while the old ones will work until the 20th we should use the new naming scheme
[08:31] <popey> this project changes naming schemes more often than I change my underwear ☻
[08:32] <asac> popey: that could also be a good thing :)
[08:32] <lool> it hasn't changed that much actually
[08:32] <wilee-nilee> !tmi
[08:32] <ogra_> asac, popey, lool https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04111.html
[08:32] <ogra_> lets use the new names :)
[08:33] <lool> ah right, I need to switch to devel-proposed
[08:34] <dave_> diwic: are you around for a QQ regarding pulseaudio on... grouper?
[08:35] <diwic> dave_, sure
[08:38] <dave_> diwic: great. I enabled USB audio driver in the kernel and installed pulseaudio-utils and I was able to switch audio sink to a connected USB DAC. Using N7 as host. I did so using "pacmd set-default-sink x". But it kind of doesn't work every time. What is the best way to switch between audio sinks (under U-Touch)?
[08:40] <diwic> dave_, I think pacmd/pactl set-default-sink should work.
[08:40] <diwic> dave_, what is it that doesn't work with it?
[08:40] <jibel> ogra_, Hey, for info, I wrote a script that consumes your change lists and creates a list of the changelogs for the packages upgraded between 2 builds of touch images
[08:40] <jibel> ogra_, it's here http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/, just in case it is useful to anyone else than QA.
[08:40] <ogra_> jibel, wow !
[08:40] <diwic> dave_, it's fun that you test the USB audio driver but I don't think it's anything we officially support at the momeny
[08:40] <diwic> moment
[08:41] <ogra_> jibel, mail ubuntu-phone :) ... note that Ursinha has something that integrates both our scripts in the build system ...
[08:42] <ogra_> we will land that at some point so that info will be shipped along the images on cdimage
[08:42] <ogra_> (not with such a nice html layout though :) )
[08:42] <dave_> diwic: well, sometimes it does not switch. Good to know I'm trying the correct way. A 2nd Q: (I didn't try this yet, but) should 24/96 work, as it does on the desktop?
[08:43] <sander^work> Will samsung s3 be official supported when touch is released?
[08:43] <ogra_> sander^work, no
[08:43] <ogra_> sander^work, but there are people working oin a community port ... contact them :)
[08:43] <diwic> dave_, 24/96? No idea. I don't see why it shouldn't work, if the hardware supports it.
[08:43] <ogra_> !devices| sander^work
[08:44] <jibel> I'll mail u-phone, trying to find the original thread (you did notice that nice late 90s HTML style :))
[08:44] <ogra_> i love it :)
[08:44] <diwic> dave_, hmm, now that I think of it, I think I tested recording 24 bit (48 kHz) on the Nexus 7 and it worked
[08:45] <ogra_> (as much as i would have said its awful in the 90s :) ... how one can change :) )
[08:45] <diwic> dave_, that was on the desktop version of the Nexus 7 (which is now deprecated in favor of Ubuntu Touch), but I remember it was working just fine
[08:46] <dave_> diwic: ah cool! the thing about 24/96 is, that it is definitely not supported by all OS's on this device :)
[08:52] <popey> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1225749 # is there some reason libqt5script5 isn't on the device image?
[08:58] <popey> asac: that image seems good to me
[08:59] <ogra_> dashboard also has finished ... all 262 tests done on both arches
[09:00] <lool> popey: Updated Touch/Install
[09:00]  * popey hugs lool
[09:00] <lool> popey: let me know if some things are unclear / some use cases are mising
[09:01] <lool> *missing
[09:02] <lool> ogra_, jibel: It would be nice if we could integrate your scripts into the system-image process as to get changelogs when updating
[09:02] <ogra_> lool, see what i said above :)
[09:02] <lool> ah missed that line
[09:03] <ogra_> there is a patch for cdimage already ... just needs someone to find the time to review and merge
[09:03] <popey> lool: nope, that looks great
[09:06] <jibel> lool, right, what ogra_ said. And for QA we also need the difference between 2 builds in current
[09:07] <ogra_> yeah
[09:07] <ogra_> not sure the cdimage version has that part
[09:13] <Mirv> popey: ping ogra regarding image contents. readjusting the bug.
[09:15] <popey> thanks Mirv
[09:41] <jibel> when I run phablet-flash ubuntu-system which version is supposed to be installed? 20130914.1 the same than in current/ or something else?
[09:42] <ogra_> theoretically it should be the same version as in /current .. but stgraber forgot to release it alongside last night
[09:44] <ogra_> ARGH !
[09:44] <ogra_> cdimage@nusakan:~$ mark-current -p ubuntu-touch -s saucy -i daily-preinstalled -a armhf 20130916.3
[09:44] <ogra_> mark-current -p ubuntu-touch -s saucy -i daily-preinstalled -a armhf 20130916.3: success
[09:44] <ogra_> cdimage@nusakan:~$ /srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/bin/copy-image saucy-proposed saucy mako 52 -k
[09:44] <ogra_> Failed to acquire lock, exitting.
[09:44] <ogra_> cdimage@nusakan:~$
[09:44] <ogra_> asac, ^^^
[09:44] <ogra_> :(
[09:44] <ogra_> seems i cant release system-image
[09:44] <asac> cjwatson: stgraber: ^^ ... any idea?
[09:45] <asac> i think stgraber promoted 50 yesterday
[09:45] <asac> so it might be still in history how to do that
[09:45] <ogra_> yes, and i wanted to promote 52
[09:45] <ogra_> this is the documented way
[09:46] <ogra_> the cdimage user history intresting doesnt have anything
[09:46] <ogra_> +ly
[09:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: I don't know the system-image code
[09:47] <ogra_> yeah, i thought so
[09:47] <cjwatson> But perhaps you could investigate for yourself
[09:47] <cjwatson> Lock failures aren't usually that complicated to sort out
[09:47] <ogra_> yes, wasnt me who pinged you :)
[09:47] <cjwatson> Oh, sorry, I misread
[09:48] <cjwatson> Though even so!
[09:48] <cjwatson> ogra_: import-images is running right now
[09:48] <cjwatson> Hm, though only for a few seconds
[09:49] <cjwatson> Looks like it's locking /srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/state/global.lock, anyway
[09:49] <ogra_> yeah
[09:50] <cjwatson> It shares the same lock as import-images
[09:50] <cjwatson> So you should just try again when import-images isn't running
[09:50] <ogra_> import-images  seems to run constantly
[09:50] <ogra_> looking at the crontab
[09:50] <cjwatson> Comment it out temporarily?
[09:51] <cjwatson> I imagine it runs constantly because everyone was too impatient to wait for less frequent runs :-)
[09:51] <ogra_> well, the entry doesnt look right to me ... it should at least sleep a little
[09:51] <cjwatson> How about you just work around it in the obvious expedient way and wait for stgraber to investigate more completely
[09:51] <ogra_> yeah
[09:53]  * ogra_ waits for import-images to finish ...
[09:53] <ogra_> i wonder what it is actually doing, there is no new image ...
[09:53] <ogra_> ah, done
[09:57] <ogra_> asac, ok, 52 released (20130916.3)
[09:57]  * ogra_ mails the avengers
[10:00] <ogra_> asac, hmm, could you write that mail ? the ML is restricted to team members and jono is teh only admin, i doubt i will be able to send before the afternoon
[10:01] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: one quick question: if i call MetricsManager::add more than once with the same dataSourceId but diffierent format strings, will it return a reference to the same metric and update the format strings ? or will it create a new metric ?
[10:03] <ogra_> popey, ^^ or could you perhaps announce that /current moved to 20130916.3 (respective system image 52) on the ubuntu-avengers team ML ?
[10:03] <ogra_> (i see you're a member too)
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:10] <popey> ogra_: sure
[10:10] <ogra_> thx
[10:11] <daker> oSoMoN_: did you saw my MR bug 1212980 ?
[10:11] <popey> ogra_: uh, is it worth it, there's only me, rick and jono on that list
[10:12] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-avengers/+members#active
[10:12] <ogra_> looks like more to me
[10:12] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-avengers/+mailing-list-subscribers
[10:12] <ogra_> oh
[10:12] <popey> members != subscribers it seems
[10:12] <popey> I didnt realise this
[10:12] <ogra_> well, julien should be on it as well
[10:12] <ogra_> he sent out the request for the regular mails
[10:13] <popey> I'll mail anyway, for the archive
[10:13] <ogra_> thx
[10:13] <davmor2> popey: how do you join
[10:13] <asac> ogra_: did you have the text?
[10:13] <ogra_> i'm not sure it is the right one anyway, his request for mail didnt have any address
[10:13]  * davmor2 feels that he is missing a mail on something some how
[10:13] <ogra_> asac, popey handled it
[10:13] <popey> davmor2: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-avengers
[10:14] <asac> ogra_: nice
[10:14] <asac> thanks popey :)
[10:14] <popey> np
[10:14] <ogra_> asac, though it seems only rick, jono and popey are actually subscribed to the list
[10:14] <davmor2> popey: yes on that page there is nothing that says join the team
[10:15] <popey> davmor2: Restricted Team
[10:15] <asac> ogra_: jfunk should be too :)
[10:15] <ogra_> right
[10:15] <ogra_> asac, but he isnt
[10:15] <jibel> ogra_, asac could you mail ubuntu-quality instead?
[10:15] <ogra_> he is a team member, but not ML subscriber
[10:15] <asac> popey: can you forward me the mail so i can forward :_)
[10:15] <asac> popey: err. just forward to me and jfunk to be sure
[10:15] <davmor2> popey: Yes so again how do you join?  I'm guessing that is why there aren't many joining ;)
[10:15] <asac> ogra_: ok, guess that was not understood
[10:15] <popey> ya
[10:15] <jibel> or u-a and u-q
[10:15] <ogra_> asac, yeah ... heh
[10:16] <popey> davmor2: ask jono
[10:16] <popey> he is admin
[10:16] <davmor2> popey: nice will do
[10:16] <asac> jibel: we were asked to send to avengers :) ... we can do that too
[10:16] <asac> jibel: which mail address?
[10:16] <jibel> asac, okay but testers are in u-quality
[10:16] <asac> jibel: ok ... lets discuss that with jfunk then
[10:17] <asac> we can send to multiple MLs for sure
[10:17] <asac> popey: can you forward to ubuntu-quality too :)?
[10:17] <asac> sorry
[10:17] <jibel> asac<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:18] <ogra_> jibel, pfft, who cares about testers, as long as the managers are informed :P
[10:19] <jibel> ogra_, right, who cares about managers as long the image is being tested ;)
[10:19] <ogra_> :)
[10:22] <popey> so avengers, ubuntu-quality, that all?
[10:22] <ogra_> yeah
[10:22] <davmor2> ogra_: you telling me that you don't like my feedback on how broken the days images is?
[10:22]  * popey subscribes to -quality so his mail goes through
[10:23] <ogra_> davmor2, is it ?
[10:23] <ogra_> works for me :)
[10:24] <davmor2> ogra_: It's flashing currently I'll soon tell you :D
[10:24] <ogra_> heh
[10:24]  * ogra_ only tested OTA
[10:25]  * popey tested both
[10:25] <ogra_> which takes annoyingly long to flash on the maguro (over 30min for the 89M delta)
[10:25] <popey> yowzer
[10:25] <ogra_> yeah :(
[10:25] <ogra_> xz is CPU bound
[10:26] <popey> asac: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-avengers/msg00001.html
[10:26] <davmor2> ogra_: I flash in the morning and ota on my n7 on an evening :D
[10:26] <ogra_> heh, good plan
[10:26] <popey> yay, auto-download on wifi works
[10:27] <popey> like that
[10:27] <asac> popey: nice.
[10:27] <popey> look away, look back, it's ready to install
[10:27] <oSoMoN> daker: saw it, thanks! I’ll review it today.
[10:27] <ogra_> hey, why did yoou only have 51M
[10:27]  * ogra_ had 89
[10:27] <ogra_> oh, my maguro was apparently one image behind
[10:27] <popey> niiiiice
[10:27] <daker> oSoMoN: here is video https://plus.google.com/101694416703170881163/posts/X1s7koHpdfW
[10:28] <ogra_> so the delta stuff seems to work really well
[10:28] <daker> oSoMoN:  i am also working on the filepicker https://plus.google.com/101694416703170881163/posts/6uZiuSz6qqo
[10:28] <ogra_> ok. lets trash this image ...
[10:28] <oSoMoN> daker: I’m getting a g+ error on both URLs
[10:28]  * ogra_ makes it writable and installs mtp
[10:30] <daker> oSoMoN: retry now
[10:32] <davmor2> ogra_: I'd say that was broken Flashing the image I'm now on the green robot with the blue buttoned belly and the big Start at the top of the screen
[10:32] <ogra_> davmor2, did you upgrade phablet-tools before flashing ?
[10:32] <ogra_> there were some changes
[10:33] <popey> i now have 3 facebook icons
[10:33] <popey> I think that's enough now. Please stop ☻
[10:33] <oSoMoN> daker: very nice!
[10:33] <davmor2> ogra_: I hadn't that would be good info for a mailing list with testers in it maybe ;)
[10:34] <daker> oSoMoN: :)
[10:34] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: it will update the data source to match the new parameters
[10:34] <ogra_> yeah, stgraber was a bit in a hurry to get the changes done yesterday
[10:34] <ogra_> i guess he just forgot
[10:34] <oSoMoN> daker: regarding the file picker we’re going to want to use the content picker API exposed by the SDK though, not a custom component
[10:35] <daker> oSoMoN: ok so the content picker API is available ?
[10:35] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: excellent. and one more question: is there an easy example or a cmd line tool to dump the current metrics and their values ? (for debugging)
[10:36] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: the easiest way to explore the metrics is with d-feet at the moment
[10:36] <pete-woods> running unity8 on the desktop is also fairly straightforward
[10:37] <oSoMoN> daker: I don’t know how complete it is, but it is at least partly available, yes
[10:37] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: i'll go with d-feet for now, thanks
[10:37] <daker> oSoMoN: ok
[10:37] <asac> 12:37 < asac> wow http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/current/20130916.3.html
[10:37] <asac> 12:37 < asac> what a great view on the changes that landed :)
[10:39] <ogra_> yep
[10:40] <ogra_> cyphermox, hey, we also need the "Books" folder exposed in mtp (if it exists) ... works awesome beyond that
[10:41] <popey> ooh
[10:41] <popey> is that updated nicely?
[10:41] <ogra_> yeah
[10:42] <ogra_> well, once i seeded it :)
[10:42] <ogra_> after i ran the tests
[10:42] <ogra_> should be there in next /current i suppose
[10:42]  * davmor2 resorts to reflashing android on his system being as adb refused to acknowledge his devices existences after failed flash
[10:42] <ogra_> wow
[10:43] <davmor2> ogra_: fastboot sees it but you only get the google logo so no system for adb to attach to
[10:43] <ogra_> well, then flash recovery manuallly
[10:44] <ogra_> thats still a lot faster than going back to android
[10:44] <davmor2> ogra_: and reflashing android was way faster than tinkering for half the morning flashing manually :)
[10:44] <john-mcaleely> anyone else struggling with phablet-flash this morning?
[10:44] <john-mcaleely> I get https://pastebin.canonical.com/97586/
[10:44] <ogra_> (boot into recovery and use -d maguro with pahblet-flash then)
[10:44] <popey> john-mcaleely: what command did you use?
[10:45] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: did you update phablet-flash?  if not follow ogra_ 's advice above
[10:45] <john-mcaleely> phablet-flash ubuntu-system
[10:45] <ogra_> bah ... 2fa
[10:45] <popey> \o/ 2fa
[10:45] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, can you please use the public pastebin in this channel
[10:45] <john-mcaleely> I have 1.0+13.10.20130916.2-0ubuntu1
[10:45] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, doh, of course
[10:46] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, note there were some changes, make sure pahblet-tools is up to date
[10:46] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6118904/
[10:47] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, yep, that was fixed yesterday
[10:47] <ogra_> should eb in the latest phablet-tools package
[10:47] <ogra_> *be
[10:47] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, aha and I'm just apt-get upgrading now
[10:47] <john-mcaleely> abeato, ^^
[10:48] <abeato> john-mcaleely, I have just updated to latest
[10:48] <abeato> i am gonna try again
[10:50] <john-mcaleely> abeato, Mine seemed to be in some sort of recovery loop, so I used fastboot -w to get the filesystem to a known state
[10:51] <abeato> john-mcaleely, ok, for the moment it seems to work, but still waiting...
[10:54] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: on dbus i can see the metric i added as com/canonical/UserMetrics/DataSource/1 but i can't find a way to see its current value
[10:55] <abeato> john-mcaleely, success finally :-)
[10:55] <pete-woods> nerochairo: the data source has no data, it's information about the data, you need to look in the DataSet/1 object
[10:57] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: got it. i was confused because the dataset doesn't get create until you actually add some data
[10:57] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, davmor2, popey, abeato - thanks - looks like it just worked for me, after upgrade!
[10:57] <ogra_> :)
[10:59] <ogra_> asac, all unity8 tests passed with mtp-server installed on the phone, seeding it
[11:00] <asac> ogra_: nice
[11:01] <didrocks> \o/
[11:02] <asac> ogra_: gallery would have been nice
[11:02] <asac> ogra_: i think that one might be impacteed
[11:02] <asac> but guess not
[11:02] <ogra_> ok
[11:02] <asac> maybe run them while its building
[11:02] <asac> so we are not shocked :()
[11:02] <ogra_> i can try it ... seed is changed, but meta isnt updated yet
[11:16] <ogra_> bah
[11:17] <ogra_> that failed with a lot of HUD errors :(
[11:17]  * ogra_ tries again ... probably i was to slow with the unlock
[11:24] <davmor2> ogra_: it might be just as well that I did do the android flash "ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell mount /data' returned non-zero exit status 255    Removing directory /tmp/tmpVilHqp"  using the command on the wiki for step 4
[11:24] <davmor2> ogra_: phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup
[11:24] <ogra_> davmor2, hmm, doont you need -b for the first time ?
[11:25] <davmor2> ogra_: not listed on the wiki I will try that and see
[11:25] <davmor2> davmor2@boromir:~$ phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup -b          usage: phablet-flash [-h]  ...         phablet-flash: error: unrecognized arguments: -b
[11:26] <ogra_> hmm, k
[11:26] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm guessing not
[11:26] <ogra_> try doing cdimage first then
[11:26] <ogra_> (with -b)
[11:26] <ogra_> and then cross-grade to system-image
[11:27]  * mpt holds down the phone's power button, and the display rotates 5 degrees clockwise and freezes
[11:28] <popey> hmm, clock has disappeared from my phone
[11:28] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-17-122846.png
[11:29] <fginther> Saviq, ping
[11:29] <ogra_> popey, mpt said he had panel overflow on his list, i didnt know he would solve it *that way* :)
[11:30] <davmor2> popey: and you seem to be confirming the 3g issue too :)
[11:30] <sergiusens> popey, try doing sudo restart network-manager and see if it works
[11:30] <ogra_> sergiusens, for the clock ? wow
[11:30] <sergiusens> popey, bah, before that, do nmcli d
[11:30] <ogra_> :)
[11:30] <popey> i went for a walk - away from my wifi
[11:30] <sergiusens> ogra_, no, for the screenshot :-)
[11:30] <ogra_> :)
[11:30] <popey> came back, not on wifi, when i tap my access point it puts a tick on it then off again
[11:30] <sergiusens> popey, to get 3G going I supposed :-)
[11:30] <popey> and nmcli d showed connected
[11:31] <popey> (for wifi) and connected (prepare) for 3g
[11:31] <popey> but ifconfig shows I have an IP on the LAN and can ping
[11:31] <popey> seems the indicator is confused
[11:31] <sergiusens> popey, cyphermox did add a fix sometime these days to get route selection working again
[11:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, so it seems that multiple people had issues when bootstrapping from scratch with system-image
[11:31] <ogra_> do we have a bug in phablet-tools ?
[11:31] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-17-123141.png  see
[11:31] <popey>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:31] <sergiusens> ogra_, I know about that, was talking about it yesterday
[11:32] <popey> but I have an ip
[11:32] <davmor2> popey: sergiusens: yeap it didn't work the issue is between ofono and nm
[11:32] <ogra_> (seems it works for people that have an ubuntu recovery, for the others it seems to fail)
[11:32] <sergiusens> ogra_, when we did this with stgraber we never tested that situation
[11:32] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:32] <sergiusens> ogra_, that said I have a fix, but not sure when that will get in
[11:32] <ogra_> asap i hope ...
[11:33] <ogra_> doesnt seem to be a good idea to scare the brandnew users away
[11:33] <ogra_> sigh, i cant get gallery to work
[11:33] <popey> works here
[11:33] <sergiusens> ogra_, let me see if anyone logged a bug to attach to
[11:33] <ogra_> and i cant imagine it is mtp thats causing this
[11:33] <popey> hehe, found a funny picture I took in the supermarket the other day too ☻
[11:34] <ogra_> popey, the gallery tests with mtp-server installed is what i test here
[11:34] <popey> ah
[11:34] <sergiusens> ogra_, proposed or daily?
[11:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, proposed indeed
[11:34] <davmor2> sergiusens: bastardised, proposed for mtp support is what ogra_ means :D
[11:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, asac asked me to test unity8 and gallery app to make sure mtp doesnt break their tests
[11:35] <ogra_> i guess i'll just re-flash and start over ... sigh
[11:35] <asac> ogra_: you have to unlock the screen manmually
[11:35] <asac> ogra_: and dont use the -n option for phablet-test-run
[11:35] <ogra_> asac, i know
[11:35] <ogra_> its not that
[11:35] <davmor2> ogra_: cdimage -b is working
[11:35] <asac> kk
[11:36] <ogra_> asac, it fails with HUD errors all over the place ...
[11:36] <ogra_> i'll start from scratch and will also do a run before installing mtp-server first
[11:36] <asac> right
[11:36] <asac> that will help us understand if its mtp
[11:36] <ogra_> yeah, very unlikely
[11:38] <fginther> Saviq, unping for now, be back in about an hour
[11:41] <popey> ogra_: shout if you need more help testing mtp ☻
[11:41] <ogra_> popey, well, feel free, i onlyu test maguro
[11:41] <ogra_> make the image writable, installl mtp-server, reboot and run the gallery app tests
[11:42] <popey> ok, sweet
[11:42] <ogra_> and note that you need to re-flash
[11:43] <ogra_> making it writable breaks OTA
[11:43] <popey> adb shell touch /userdata/.writable_image
[11:43] <popey> thats still the way to make it writable?
[11:43] <ogra_> yeah
[11:43] <popey> ta
[11:43] <ogra_> and a reboot
[11:43] <popey> yeah, i reflash this daily anyway
[11:43] <ogra_> right,, just saying
[11:43] <popey> noted ☻
[11:44] <mandel> barry, ping
[11:45] <iKillCypher> hello guys xD
[11:45] <popey> sergiusens: got that routing issue again...
[11:46] <popey> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119092/
[11:47] <sergiusens> popey, well it seems cyphermox patch didn't go in yet
[11:47] <ogra_> yeah, no NM changes in recent images
[11:47] <sergiusens> popey, last stuff is from last month https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu20
[11:47] <popey> ok
[11:48] <iKillCypher> sergiusens, any idea why isnt radio working for my port
[11:48] <sergiusens> iKillCypher, I don't have the hardware you have, so not really. I can guess that it could be an incompatible rild or a permissions problem
[11:49] <iKillCypher> anyway to debug it o.O ?
[11:49] <iKillCypher> like demsg
[11:50] <iKillCypher> and isnt the permission stored in rules or something
[11:51] <ogra_> yes, but depending on the rild implementation your manufacturer uses it might need additional permissions
[11:52] <ogra_> and since rild is a binary blob you will have to find out yourself whats missing
[11:52] <iKillCypher> care to explain more ?
[11:52] <ogra_> it is proprietary and undocumented usually ... only your manufacturer knows the internals of your rild
[11:52] <sergiusens> look at clues in logcat
[11:53] <ogra_> right, read your logs and try to make out what it misses
[11:53] <ogra_> you as a proter should know your HW best :)
[11:53] <iKillCypher> humm looks like I have to boot to ubuntu >:(
[11:54] <iKillCypher> yes but someone has taken over the project now.. so pretty much I working on getting radio working
[11:54] <iKillCypher> is there a source where it where it works on nexus4 ?
[11:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, bah, my flash now  hangs at the fastboot screen ...  (even though i only re-flashed an existing install)
[11:57] <ogra_> waiting for device ...
[11:58] <sergiusens> ogra_, baffled
[11:58] <sergiusens> ogra_, if you open a different terminal, and do fastboot devices, that works?
[11:58] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, my fastboot udev rules never worked ... and i didnt sudo phablet-flash
[11:59] <popey> gallery tests running..
[11:59] <ogra_> and booting manually into recovery finds the autodeploy ... lets see where that goes now
[11:59] <sergiusens> ogra_, strange... it works on precise/chromebook and saucy/desktop for me ... is this raring/chromebook?
[11:59] <ogra_> yep
[12:00] <sergiusens> ogra_, I'll create a live boot thing to test it
[12:01] <ogra_> i might have some old fastboot rules somewhere, i'll have to check that
[12:09] <ikillcypher> sergiusens, ogra_ here?
[12:09] <jibel> how do I switch from a RO image to RW to install gdb?
[12:10] <ikillcypher> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/yuga > this guy seems to have taken over the port
[12:10] <ikillcypher> sergiusens, is the Wireless network fixed ? where it could not accept wpa key etc?
[12:12] <sergiusens> jibel, remount or touch /data/.writable_image
[12:12] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, it is
[12:12] <jibel> sergiusens, thanks
[12:12] <ikillcypher> since when ?
[12:13] <ikillcypher> is there source code where I can look at or contribute ?
[12:14] <ogra_> sure
[12:15] <ikillcypher> that would be nice :P since I can get most of the bugs working on my device
[12:15] <ikillcypher> whoops I mean fixed
[12:16] <ikillcypher> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2434376 it seems like most of the stuff here are working it is because of you guys fixing it in the source code
[12:16] <ogra_> well, for low level networking management, contribute to network-manager .. UI stuff is in indicator-network
[12:16] <ikillcypher> as I haven been around for quite sometime and Im kinda pissed someone actually took over the credits
[12:17] <ikillcypher> it is pretty shit you know when people just took over what you did and walk over you !
[12:18] <ogra_> didnt you have actual help for like 90% of the stuff ?
[12:18] <ogra_> at least you said so here ... all the time when porting
[12:19] <ikillcypher> well I asked someone to help me out the only reason why I could not continue development because I had final year exams which I needed to study for
[12:19] <ikillcypher> which why I left everything dead.. at the point everything was broken even WiFi could not accept security key
[12:19] <ikillcypher> <ikillcypher> sergiusens, is the Wireless network fixed ? where it could not accept wpa key etc?
[12:19] <ikillcypher> <sergiusens> ikillcypher, it is
[12:19] <ikillcypher> and I just learnt about this today
[12:20] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, it was fixed two days after you made the comment, was a know issue and was on its way to land
[12:20] <ikillcypher> which is why now Im trying out the new afm-hf file I downloading to see if that guy really made any changes cause I think most of the work belongs to the ubuntu-development team
[12:20] <sergiusens> that's how it goes with critical bugs
[12:20] <ikillcypher> what about the blackscreen issue
[12:21] <ikillcypher> Clicking Application Without Opening Browser/Gallery Result In Blackscreen
[12:21] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, the issues you are commenting on can be checked by installing the image you know... I'm not sure what that issue was
[12:21] <jibel> sergiusens, remount works fine but touch /data/.writable_image doesn't
[12:21] <ogra_> jibel, works fine for me
[12:21] <ikillcypher> alright so I will check and get back to you guys ? anyway any link to the source code?
[12:22] <sergiusens> jibel, oh, and reboot if you haven't
[12:22] <jibel> I did
[12:22] <ogra_> jibel, oh, no, that cant ... must be /userdata/
[12:22] <jibel> but no luck
[12:22] <ogra_> jibel, wrond dir :)
[12:22] <ogra_> *wrong even
[12:22] <jibel> k, I'll try that after my gdb session :)
[12:22] <cjwatson> beuno: Do you happen to know of any other examples of click packages in the store whose app name contains upper-case letters?  My only example so far is Karma Machine, and I'm unconvinced that the problems with it are actually anything to do with the app name
[12:22] <sergiusens> as in /userdata?
[12:23] <ogra_> yeah
[12:23] <ogra_> /userdata/.writable_image is the right place
[12:23] <cjwatson> beuno: Well, at least not *all* the problems with it
[12:23] <beuno> cjwatson, I don't, as the form will reject it, and if not, the review script will
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_, I thought they were interlinked... oh well
[12:24] <cjwatson> beuno: I guess I'll have to construct one then, thanks.  How much work will it be to undo those spurious restrictions once upper-case in app names no longer breaks?
[12:24] <beuno> cjwatson, so at least I know that in the server metadata, they are all lowercase. Maybe that's the problem?  The scope maybe uses data from there and gets confused of the manifest file has a different name
[12:24] <beuno> cjwatson, very little work
[12:24] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -l /data
[12:24] <ogra_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Sep 17 12:06 /data -> /android/data
[12:24] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^
[12:25] <sergiusens> ogra_, thanks
[12:25] <cjwatson> beuno: AFAICS the response from the server doesn't mention the app name anywhere, only the package name
[12:26] <ogra_> sergiusens, and there is /userdata/android-data ... (which is what /data points to after following the long link chain)
[12:26] <ogra_> so they are "kind of" interlinked ... just on the wrong level
[12:26] <sil2100> gatox: ping
[12:26] <sil2100> ;)
[12:26] <popey> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119237/ <- results of gallery test run via phablet-test-run -o /tmp/gallery -n -p gallery-app-autopilot gallery_app
[12:26] <sil2100> Mirv: very busy right now?
[12:27] <ogra_> popey, eek, no -n
[12:27] <beuno> cjwatson, it mentions the full namespace, but this is just me stabbing in the dark. I do recall us seeing problems to install or run apps that had different namespaces in the manifest and in the server, alecu_  may know more
[12:27] <ogra_> popey, you want to keep the shell running ... but need to manually unlock the screen before firing up the test
[12:27] <cjwatson> beuno: It does, but the namespace and the app name aren't required to be related
[12:27] <popey> ogra_: oh balls
[12:27] <popey> running again ☻
[12:27] <cjwatson> Anything deriving the app name from the namespace is going to an awful lot of work just to be wrong :-)
[12:27]  * ogra_ is at his second run now with the fresh image
[12:28] <ogra_> seems to go fine
[12:28] <ogra_> without mtp all finished ... and it llook like it will with mtp too
[12:28] <cjwatson> beuno: In this case the namespace is fine
[12:28] <Mirv> sil2100: depends
[12:28] <ogra_> (before i could see the test actually do nothinng after the app fired up on screen)
[12:28] <ogra_> this time it seems to do the same actions as in the test without mtp
[12:30] <ikillcypher> ogra_, sergiusens can I have the source link ?
[12:30] <popey> ogra_: no -n? what does that mean?
[12:30] <ogra_> popey, -n means stop unity
[12:30] <beuno> cjwatson, and the file name doesn't matter?  the store renames the file to what is entered in the web forms
[12:30] <ogra_> popey, to be used when ... well ... testing unity itself
[12:30] <popey> ogra_: oh, you want me to run it without -n, ok.
[12:30] <ogra_> yeah
[12:30] <popey> gotcha ☻
[12:30] <ogra_> when testing apps dont use -n
[12:30] <ogra_> and unlock the screen
[12:30] <popey> k
[12:31] <popey> be nice if we could send a signal over adb to unlock the screen ☻
[12:31] <ogra_> we had that
[12:31] <ogra_> but there isnt really a way to do that consistently so that the timing is always right
[12:31] <ogra_> iirc
[12:31] <cjwatson> beuno: That should only matter for installation, and it installs it fine, just can't launch.  Launching should only be looking at ~/.local/share/applications/
[12:31] <ogra_> so that was dropped
[12:31] <popey> ok
[12:32] <ogra_> once we have a proper lockscreen and lightdm all will become better
[12:32] <beuno> cjwatson, that was my last stab in the dark then  :)
[12:32] <sergiusens> popey, ogra_ where to have the unlocking logic has been ping ponged a lot, I think last was having it in the greeter/unity8 emulators
[12:32] <cjwatson> beuno: I'm attacking it with strace, hopefully will be able to work something out
[12:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, i know we want locking for desktop to live in lightdm since several years
[12:33] <sergiusens> cjwatson, does it launch with upstart?
[12:33] <gatox> sil2100, pong
[12:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, i was hoping touch brings us that at some point ... thanks to convergence
[12:34] <ogra_> Ran 23 tests in 432.877s
[12:34] <ogra_> OK
[12:34] <gatox> sil2100, hi, ralsinaa just asked me if everything is in order to land the updater
[12:34] <ogra_> \o/
[12:34] <ogra_> asac, so something was wonky with my former install, doing a fresh install gallery app behaves with and without mtp ...
[12:35] <ogra_> waiting for popey to confirm before seeding now
[12:35] <sil2100> gatox, Mirv: I would need you guys to take a look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/click-update-manager/basic_packaging/+merge/186021
[12:35] <sil2100> gatox: with this all should be in place
[12:35] <popey> ogra_: did they all pass?
[12:35] <ogra_> popey, yeap
[12:35] <popey> crikey
[12:35] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Yep
[12:35] <popey> ogra_: will ping you when done here
[12:35] <ogra_> sudo phablet-test-run -p gallery-app-autopilot gallery_app
[12:35] <ogra_> thats what i ran
[12:36] <ogra_> great, thx
[12:36] <cjwatson> (with "upstart-app-launch com.ubuntu.developer.brianrobles2.karma-machine_KarmaMachine_0.5")
[12:36] <Mirv> sil2100: looking
[12:36] <gatox> sil2100, looking.....
[12:37] <beuno> cjwatson, gah, everything is different for that user, com.ubuntu.developer.brianrobles204.karma-machine is his namespace on the server
[12:37] <beuno> popey, please make sure to not ignore those errors with the review script
[12:37] <beuno> that app is basically unupdatable
[12:38] <cjwatson> beuno: That's a copy-and-paste error
[12:38] <popey> beuno: which errors?
[12:38] <cjwatson> beuno: Blame adb
[12:38] <beuno> cjwatson, ah :)
[12:38] <cjwatson> com.ubuntu.developer.brianrobles204.karma-machine_KarmaMachine_0.5 was the actual app ID
[12:38] <beuno> popey, the namespace differences
[12:38] <popey> did I miss them?
[12:38] <gatox> sil2100, looks good to me
[12:39] <beuno> popey, I thought it was you who approved it with uppercase letters?
[12:39] <cjwatson> for which THANK YOU because it gave me a test case!
[12:39] <popey> hah
[12:39] <beuno> heh
[12:39] <popey> perhaps, sorry if I did.
[12:39] <popey> i did a lot of approving over the weekend.
[12:39] <beuno> popey, yeah, I hear you
[12:39] <cjwatson> so AFAICS upper-case letters are fine with upstart app launching.  there might still be some weird lurking bug somewhere with the current app launching method.
[12:39] <asac> ogra_: ok cool. go ahead. i guess
[12:40] <cjwatson> that app triggered bug 1226553 which I'm fixing
[12:40] <popey> ogra_: <testsuite errors="0" failures="0" name="" tests="23" time="494.780">
[12:40] <ogra_> asac, yeah, i'd like to hear from popey first ... that shaky test result in eth first run made me anxious :)
[12:40]  * ogra_ hugs popey and goes ahead
[12:40] <popey> \o/
[12:40] <asac> nicey
[12:42] <rickspencer3> wow, huge update today! 83 megs :)
[12:43] <popey> i did the #50MB one over 3G which worked fine.
[12:43] <ikillcypher> ok sergiusens or ogra_ here ?
[12:44] <ikillcypher> it seems like ubuntu-touch went for a revamped it is alot different since the last time I flash it
[12:44] <ogra_> it is constantly moving and improving, yeah
[12:45] <ikillcypher> the blackscreen seems to be gone too..
[12:47] <stgraber> ogra_: hey
[12:47] <ogra_> stgraber, yo
[12:47] <ogra_> stgraber, so there were some glitches with publishing to the devel channel ...
[12:48] <stgraber> ogra_: what kind of glitch?
[12:48] <ogra_> stgraber, and it is important that we also run mark-current on the respective cdimage build
[12:48] <ikillcypher> ogra_, is there anyway to test the sound ?
[12:48] <stgraber> ogra_: I saw you had a locking problem earlier, though all you need to do then is wait for import-images to finish then try again
[12:48] <ogra_> so the QA tools that rely on it dont break
[12:48] <stgraber> ogra_: oh right, I forgot to mark whatever cdimage's equivalent of build 50 was as good
[12:48] <ogra_> stgraber, import-images is constantly starting over with that cron entry :)
[12:49] <ogra_> stgraber, i un-cronned it until i was done
[12:49] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, I guess we should move it to every 5min instead, it'd give you a better chance of getting past the lock :)
[12:49] <ogra_> i'll write a followup later to yur mail
[12:49] <stgraber> it's convenient to have it scan every minute, but may be a bit too often :)
[12:49] <ogra_> so the others have some directions too
[12:49] <ogra_> yeah
[12:50] <stgraber> ok, changed to */5
[12:50] <ogra_> 5min should suffice :)
[12:50] <ogra_> thanks
[12:50] <stgraber> ogra_: so besides the lock and me forgetting to run mark-current yesterday, any other issue?
[12:50] <stgraber> (I've got an hour before I board, so if there's anything else, I'll have to fix it quickly)
[12:50] <popey> ogra_: dude! mtp works better with Ubuntu on the nexus 4 than it does with Android!
[12:50] <ogra_> stgraber, nope, all fine now ... for next time it would be nice to commit the change to the tools before switching the server though :)
[12:51] <ogra_> but i guess you learned that the hard way now :)
[12:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti, hey
[12:51] <ogra_> popey, send flowers to cyphermox
[12:51] <Saviq> fginther, pong?
[12:52] <cjwatson> beuno,sergiusens: OK, so actually I was testing this wrong, misled by one of the duplicate icons in the applications lens not working
[12:52] <ikillcypher> ogra_, there isnt any videos why ?
[12:52] <fginther> Saviq, have you seen the unity8 MP tests today?
[12:52] <stgraber> ogra_: well, as I told sergiusens, I didn't remember that phablet-flash had the <device>-<version> hardcoded, everything else should have been covered by the temporary aliases I set up... so I didn't think any of the tools would be affected (and when I tried phablet-flash against my test server, it did work as those were old images with the same old filename...)
[12:52] <cjwatson> beuno: Karma Machine works just fine after fixing bug 1226553, so AFAICS there is no problem with upper-case app names and any restrictions on them should be lifted
[12:52] <Saviq> fginther, I just started my day (we're in Lexington)
[12:52] <cjwatson> (That bug had nothing to do with the app name)
[12:52] <fginther> Saviq, ah
[12:53] <ogra_> stgraber, well, thats life then i guess
[12:53] <Saviq> fginther, looking
[12:53] <sergiusens> stgraber, ogra_ water under the bridge
[12:53] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[12:53] <fginther> Saviq, so, we decided to add additional autopilot test suites to unity8
[12:53] <beuno> cjwatson, ack, I'll get it removed from the review script and the server
[12:53] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah... I did think of running a full production-like test, though the idea of rsyncing 55GB of data to my place just to run a 10min test seemed vaguely overkill :)
[12:53] <ogra_> anyway, its all good now and works absolutely great
[12:53] <cjwatson> beuno: Great, thanks
[12:54] <fginther> Saviq, to better catch a change that would impact a an app. So far I'm having trouble finding a balance of tests that are stable enough to work
[12:54] <stgraber> (especially as I already had to download 20GB to run the smaller scale test I did on Sunday ;))
[12:54] <ogra_> heh
[12:54] <ogra_> yeah, sin,ce we play with phones the data you have to shovel through the new got a lot more
[12:54] <sergiusens> cjwatson, great
[12:54] <ogra_> s/new/net/.
[12:55] <stgraber> turns out that /ubuntu-touch/daily-proposed/* + system-image/www/full is pretty big for a home internet connection :)
[12:55] <sergiusens> ogra_, that's why I got 30Mbps in August
[12:55] <ogra_> yeah
[12:55] <sergiusens> ogra_, after just downloading pure android images everyday
[12:55] <stgraber> (and my internet is nowhere near as slow as yours)
[12:55]  * ogra_ wants too *sniff*
[12:55] <sergiusens> it turned unbearable
[12:55]  * ikillcypher wonders what ever happens to all the videos in feature
[12:56] <ikillcypher> cause mine is blank now
[12:56] <stgraber> sergiusens: hehe, with my work on images, I'm currently at 1.8TB of downloaded stuff this month!
[12:56] <ogra_> ikillcypher, all demo content was dropped
[12:56] <ikillcypher> humm o.O is there a source code ?
[12:56] <ikillcypher> or is it private
[12:56] <ogra_> popey, my clock is gone too with the latest freshly flashed image :(
[12:56] <ogra_> asac, ^^^
[12:57] <sil2100> ralsina: hi! What's wrong with the click-update-manager? Since the packaging/rename branch will be landing soon, so why do you want to bump it till tomorrow?
[12:57] <sergiusens> ogra_, I have it, just flashed from android
[12:57] <sergiusens> ogra_, the app and the indicator fwiw
[12:57] <sil2100> ralsina: since I guess we can spin it in daily-release and I can test it on my system before releasing with no problems
[12:57] <stgraber> ogra_: I also added myself a todo item to make copy-image wait for the lock to clear instead of just failing, that should make it more reliable too
[12:57] <sil2100> Just as I did yesterday with unity8 etc.
[12:57] <sergiusens> ogra_, look at ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
[12:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, popey said his vanished at some point i think
[12:58] <ralsina> sil2100: I am worried about it being tested, having CI, that sort of thing
[12:58] <asac> ogra_: right. if its gone its a lack of test
[12:58] <asac> ogra_: i see the clock here
[12:58] <ralsina> sil2100: it's our first landing by the new rules, want to do it right
[12:58] <asac> on 52
[12:58] <sergiusens> stgraber, yeah, we just need to start creating a backup of the internet
[12:58] <asac> ogra_: both in the indicator bar as well as on lock screen i have a cliock
[12:58] <sil2100> ralsina: it has basic auto-landing I guess, since I configured it last week, but ok - if you want we can move that till tomorrow
[12:59] <barry> mandel: pong
[12:59] <sil2100> But I'll prepare everything from our side today anyway
[12:59] <ogra_> stgraber, i was wondering if we shouldnt have a wrapper script that calls mark-current and then loops over the arches with copy_image ... might be tricky to get the versioning automatic though
[12:59] <ralsina> sil2100: sounds great, let's have it ready today, and land it tomorrow
[12:59] <ikillcypher> ogra_, is there anyway to test the wifi
[13:00] <ikillcypher> cause it does not seems responding over here when I click it
[13:00] <stgraber> ogra_: I can write something that makes a guess based on rootfs version and shows the list of what it'd promote before doing it. If that's not right, then you need to go manual.
[13:00] <sergiusens> lool ogra_, stgraber https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1226565/+merge/186027
[13:01] <Saviq> fginther, not sure what you need from me here :D
[13:01] <ikillcypher> wtf python ?
[13:01] <ogra_> sergiusens, looks good (if it works too :) )
[13:01] <Saviq> fginther, if you're asking whether we can make our tests more reliable - we're trying ;)
[13:01] <lool> sergiusens: (looking) BTW we need to rename ubuntu-system channels
[13:01] <sergiusens> ogra_, took me long to test because I was bouncing from android to ubuntu
[13:01] <lool> sergiusens: daily -> devel mainly
[13:02] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah, well, even having to give two numbers might be fine
[13:02] <stgraber> sergiusens: same as ogra, change looks reasonable and I'm not spotting anything obviously wrong, so if it works, +1
[13:02] <stgraber> lool: already done
[13:02] <sergiusens> lool, that was done yesterday
[13:02] <stgraber> lool: phablet-flash defaults to stable for now
[13:02] <ikillcypher> humm sergiusens is there anyway to test if wifi accept wpa key ?
[13:02] <ogra_> ikillcypher, open the browser (and the icon in the panel should have changed)
[13:02] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, you can use nmcli directly if the ui fails
[13:02] <lool> oh I forgot to bzr pull, I see it now
[13:03] <fginther> Saviq, no action for you, I just want to let you know what's going on here. If there is a unity8 change that needs to merge but it's running into unstable app tests, we can tweak the gates to get it right.
[13:03] <ikillcypher> let me see if I pull a screenshot and show you guys something
[13:03] <ikillcypher> no idea if this is a feature or a bug
[13:03] <Saviq> fginther, ok thanks for the heads up
[13:03] <lool> sergiusens: mp looks good to me; tests passed too
[13:04] <ogra_> hmm, clock also doesnt come back after reboot
[13:05] <popey> i hadn't rebooted yet..
[13:06] <popey> comes back here
[13:06] <ogra_> here is my unity8.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119362/
[13:06]  * ogra_ reboots again
[13:06] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-17-140617.png
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, not for me
[13:07] <ogra_> aha, this time it does
[13:07] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119371/ my unity8 log
[13:08] <ogra_> i seem to have more warnings
[13:08] <ikillcypher> error: device not found
[13:08] <ikillcypher> damn I keep getting this
[13:10] <ikillcypher> did you guys broke ADB ?
[13:11] <sergiusens> ogra_, popey I don't see anything in the logs, but I'm not well versed in that log either
[13:11] <sergiusens> maybe time to take it to #ubuntu-unity
[13:12] <ogra_> hmm, none of my click apps start today
[13:12] <gatox> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/click-update-manager/basic_packaging/+merge/186021 that has 2 approves already, should we globally approve it?
[13:12] <ikillcypher> hey developers wth is this
[13:12] <ikillcypher> http://pastie.org/private/jqff9tfxmxslz5zdkbsfg
[13:13] <ikillcypher> did you guys broke adb?
[13:13] <ogra_> ah, beru reader does ... G+ doesnt though and ramsamsam reader neither
[13:13] <ogra_> ikillcypher, adb works fine
[13:13] <sil2100> gatox: approved globally!
[13:13] <sil2100> :)
[13:13] <sergiusens> beuno, is review going to work in the click scope? Seems mocked still... mandel alecu and gatox are popular commenters :-)
[13:13] <ikillcypher> I keep getting devices not foudn
[13:14] <timp> asac: ping
[13:14] <ogra_> bah, also why do i get two entries for each installed click package in the "installed" section ?
[13:14] <timp> ^or anyone who is working on jenkins
[13:14] <gatox> sergiusens, jeje we are disabling that until the feature is complete
[13:14] <timp> I have this merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/panel-opened-ro/+merge/184663
[13:15] <timp> I ran all the autopilot tests manually on my device, and they pass. But jenkins keeps failing.
[13:15] <kalikiana> I found if adb is not usable it's impossible to get images via phablet-flash unless there's a trick I haven't found - it would be useful, as right now I had to resurrect my device using some ancient image I happened to have on disk and not the latest
[13:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, they arent very creative though, they write the same for every app
[13:15] <beuno> sergiusens, heh, yes, mocked. Ratings & reviews were targetted at the end of the month, not sure if ralsina still has that date as a target
[13:15] <timp> well, jenkins used to pass until I made a change in our CHANGES file (so no code change), and since then it always fails.
[13:15] <ikillcypher> ogra_, sergiusens : http://pastie.org/private/rct8rp0uxjzhi4gihqqea
[13:15] <ikillcypher> it is broken over here
[13:15] <ralsina> beuno: it's looking dubious
[13:16] <ogra_> ikillcypher, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/ all these would be red if it was broken ... it is constantly autotested
[13:16] <ikillcypher> so any idea what is happening over here?
[13:17] <sergiusens> beuno, well given that this is the new bug reporting mechanism it would be nice to get it eventually
[13:17] <sergiusens> I make no claims to make haste though ;-)
[13:17] <ikillcypher> error: device not found
[13:17] <ikillcypher> how am I going to debug now
[13:17] <ikillcypher> -_-''
[13:17] <alecu> sergiusens: review is still not working, and it's the click scope that still has no code for it.
[13:17] <beuno> sergiusens, agreed. That said, it's not in my hands  :)
[13:17] <alecu> sergiusens: I've got a pending task for this week to remove those fake comments and put a placeholder text there.
[13:18] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, we went over this a lot a while ago... adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server if your udev rules are broken
[13:18] <ikillcypher> it isnt broken
[13:18] <gatox> sil2100, we need to know (specially ralsina :P) if those packages (click plugin, and click-update-manager) are integrated in the ubuntu touch CI infrastructure
[13:18] <sergiusens> alecu, beuno it seems we can comment from the webfront directly though, right?
[13:18] <gatox> sil2100, so we can start testing it IRL
[13:18] <ralsina> gatox: right, blame the manager. That works *every time* ;-)
[13:19] <cjwatson> ogra_: bug 1224938
[13:19] <gatox> ralsina, :P
[13:19] <beuno> sergiusens, I don't think you can, no
[13:19] <ogra_> cjwatson, thanks !
[13:19] <sergiusens> oh, no problem
[13:20] <ralsina> alecu, sergiusens: gatox is removing the placeholders today
[13:20] <cjwatson> If I had a clue how scopes worked I might attack this, as it's a FAQ
[13:21] <beuno> cjwatson, ogra, ralsina's team is working on that right now
[13:21] <ogra_> perfect
[13:21] <ogra_> will we have working uninstall in the UI before release btw ?
[13:22] <cjwatson> beuno: cool
[13:22] <beuno> ogra_, yes
[13:22] <ogra_> yay
[13:23] <sergiusens> gatox, this is probably an easy fix for you http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/tabu_overlap.png
[13:24] <ralsina> cjwatson: that bug is what alecu is working on at this very moment
[13:24] <davmor2> ogra_, popey : I can't open gallery from the camera app but can from the apps lens
[13:24] <gatox> sergiusens, oops....... right
[13:24] <ikillcypher> sergiusens, I cant open wifi over here
[13:24] <sergiusens> gatox, found some more text overlap in team selection
[13:24] <ogra_> davmor2, sounds liek a bug
[13:24] <gatox> sergiusens, really??
[13:24] <gatox> sergiusens, do you have an screenshot of those?
[13:25] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah I thought you guys were talking about it earlier though so I was just confirming now I have a device that works again and everything :D
[13:25] <sil2100> gatox: I'll make sure all is set up ;)
[13:26] <sergiusens> gatox, http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/tabu_setup_overlap.png
[13:26] <ogra_> davmor2, i dont care much about bugs nowadays ... as long as the tests run and finish :)
[13:26] <gatox> sergiusens, ouch..... thanks
[13:26] <gatox> sergiusens, is that in the phone?
[13:26] <davmor2> ogra_: wash your mouth out with soap and water ;)
[13:26] <ogra_> haha
[13:27] <ikillcypher> sergiusens, dmesg log : http://pastie.org/private/qbktv7lm8yebco4pq7svnq
[13:31] <ikillcypher> o.o
[13:31] <sergiusens> gatox, yes
[13:31] <ikillcypher> sergiusens, dmesg is something like catlog right?
[13:31] <gatox> sergiusens, yap.... i'll need to test the apps making the window really small..... thanks for the heads up
[13:32] <ikillcypher> [   13.233917] wlan: [451:F :HDD] hdd_driver_init: WLAN device not found!!
[13:32] <ikillcypher> wtf
[13:34] <beuno> cjwatson, I'm a bit confused now. Can the package name also be uppercase?
[13:34] <cjwatson> beuno: No
[13:35] <cjwatson> beuno: Hopefully https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00570.html clarifies
[13:35] <cjwatson> "The package name is specified to
[13:35] <cjwatson> forbid upper-case letters"
[13:35] <ikillcypher> I cant seem to get the catlog
[13:35] <ikillcypher> o.o
[13:36] <beuno> cjwatson, ack. So then the web ui doesn't guard against that now, just against uppercases in package names
[13:36] <ikillcypher> and my dmesg keep ending after awhile
[13:36] <cjwatson> beuno: OK, great
[13:37] <ikillcypher> hello is anyone here?
[13:39] <ikillcypher> http://i.imgur.com/VfOduzr.png
[13:39] <ikillcypher> haix
[13:41] <ikillcypher> I hate the random hanging !!
[13:41] <ogra_> so fix it
[13:42] <ikillcypher> well how do I catlog o.o like in android
[13:43] <ogra_> /system/bin/logcat -d
[13:43] <ikillcypher> I meant in terminal
[13:43] <ogra_> but that will only get you the log from the container
[13:44] <ikillcypher> well so how do I get the full log without exiting
[13:44] <ogra_> ubuntu system logs are in /var/log ... session logs are in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/
[13:44] <ikillcypher> well I meant like I did sudo adb shell
[13:45] <ikillcypher> so now it is in root@ubuntu-phablet
[13:45] <ikillcypher> so how do I catlog
[13:45] <ogra_> /system/bin/logcat
[13:45] <ogra_> there is no such thing as "catlog"
[13:45] <ogra_> its logcat ... and you call it with the above command
[13:45] <ogra_> preferably with -d so it dumps the whole log
[13:46] <ikillcypher> well in android it is call catlog atleast that was what google called it
[13:46] <ogra_> nope
[13:48] <ikillcypher> humm still nothing on carrier
[13:48] <ikillcypher> and no logs
[13:48] <cyphermox> popey: hey, I'm glad you're happy with it :) I hadn't such feedback really, so thanks a lot!
[13:48] <popey> \o/
[13:49] <ogra_> cyphermox, seen my ping above ? would be nice to have "Books" in the exported folders too
[13:49] <ikillcypher> any of you developers got any idea how to get carrier/radio working here
[13:49] <ikillcypher> cause Im getting no logs at all
[13:50] <ogra_> ikillcypher, /var/log and logcat should have all you need to see errors
[13:50] <ikillcypher> im able to call my phone just fine but no logs
[13:50] <ikillcypher> nor nothing appears at log
[13:51] <ogra_> try: /system/bin/logcat -b radio -d
[13:51] <ogra_> thatz should give you all logs from the radio part inside the container
[13:51] <ogra_> and: grep ofono /var/log/syslog
[13:52] <ogra_> that will give you all logs about the ubuntu side
[13:52] <ikillcypher> do you want it ?
[13:52] <ogra_> no, i have no clue about radio
[13:52] <ikillcypher> Sep 17 13:44:35 ubuntu-phablet ofonod[1465]: GET_SIM_STATUS reques failed: 1; retries: 56
[13:52] <ikillcypher> Sep 17 13:44:35 ubuntu-phablet ofonod[1465]: Max retries for GET_SIM_STATUS exceeded!
[13:52] <ogra_> (you most likely want to set up several debug flags in the apps to actually get more than just errors)
[13:53] <ikillcypher> meaning?
[13:54] <ogra_> that you sould run the apps (ofono, rild) with their respective debug settings to get proper debug output
[13:54] <ogra_> *should
[13:54] <ikillcypher> apps o.o in ubuntu-touch ?
[13:54] <ogra_> on your install
[13:54] <ogra_> modify your port to get debug output as you need it
[13:54] <ikillcypher> how is that going to slove radio issue
[13:55] <ogra_> like you woulkd do in any other case where you need to debug something
[13:55] <ikillcypher> o.O when my phone rings but ubuntu shows no carrier
[13:55] <ikillcypher> and nothing appears
[13:55]  * ogra_ gives up
[13:55] <ikillcypher> :(
[13:56] <ikillcypher> well it is strange how ril works fine on nexus devices and other ported device expect this
[13:57] <ikillcypher> ogra_, who is incharge of radio/ril in ubuntu-touch
[13:57] <ogra_> no ported device has working ril afaik
[13:57] <ogra_> and the first step is to collect all debug data you need for nailing the issue down, file a bug and attach all that info
[13:58]  * ikillcypher is doing just that.. but it would be nice if you could guide me
[13:58] <ikillcypher> so I can file a bug report and get this fix
[14:01] <gatox> sil2100, sorry to be annoying.... but, could you please ping me when i can test the packages IRL in a phablet device?
[14:02] <ikillcypher> it seems modern is properity ogra_
[14:02] <tkamppeter> Hi, anyone has already tried out the gallery-app on the normal desktop? I can only display photos in ~/Pictures, not in its subdirectories.
[14:02] <sil2100> gatox: should I build the update-manager in the same PPA for you as the -plugin?
[14:02] <ikillcypher> honestly how did you guys got it working for the nexus series ?
[14:03] <ogra_> someone worked three weeks day and night to fix all bugs with it
[14:03] <tkamppeter> It would be great if each subdirectory would be considered an album, for convergence, having the same data with Ubuntu Touch and trhe normal desktop.
[14:03] <ogra_> expect nothing less for your port
[14:03] <gatox> sil2100, if you can please.... also.... did you see my previous question? <gatox> sil2100, we need to know (specially ralsinaa :P) if those packages (click plugin, and click-update-manager) are integrated in the ubuntu touch CI infrastructure
[14:03] <cyphermox> ogra_: I hadn't seen stuff about Books... the issue is that there currently isn't a Books folder to show. we can still update that though, it's trivial
[14:03] <ikillcypher> ogra_, care to point me to the code then?
[14:03] <cyphermox> ogra_: that said, do we have a book reader? :)
[14:03] <ikillcypher> cause I really would like to fix this ril issue
[14:03] <ogra_> cyphermox, the ebook reader we have creates iut dynamically
[14:04] <popey> cyphermox: yes
[14:04] <popey> Beru
[14:04] <popey> it's _brilliant_
[14:04] <cyphermox> awesome
[14:04] <popey> it makes ~/Books if it doesn't exist
[14:04] <cyphermox> then yeah, let's add it to the code.
[14:05] <sil2100> gatox: yes, I said that I will look into it, right now I know that CI for merges is more or less set up - not sure if there are any other things that need to be prepared?
[14:05] <ikillcypher> ogra_, Im opening a bug report for RIL Then
[14:05] <gatox> sil2100, cool, i missed the answer
[14:05] <ikillcypher> with all the info
[14:06] <cyphermox> ogra_: I was taking the day off today -- I'll submit a merge request now, but I'm not sticking around to watch it... I'll be back later
[14:07] <cyphermox> ChickenCutlass: ^
[14:07] <ogra_> cyphermox, yeah, its all fine i guess ... just a bugfix, not really a new feature
[14:07] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox, ack
[14:07] <cyphermox> I'll probably spend some more time thinking about the NM bugfix since it apparently didn't work
[14:07] <barry> mandel: hi
[14:07] <cyphermox> I still can't explain it though, looked like dbus wasn't behaving, but I did find something funky anyway
[14:10] <Laney> who can I ask about timed?
[14:10] <Laney> basically - what is the status?
[14:12] <rsalveti> Laney: status is still to be properly investigated
[14:12] <rsalveti> Laney: not something for 13.10
[14:12] <Laney> rsalveti: ok, got a bp or something?
[14:13] <Laney> rsalveti: Also, does that imply that there won't be a way to have automatic tz selection?
[14:13] <Laney> & time
[14:13] <Laney> s/selection/setting
[14:13] <Laney> /
[14:13] <rsalveti> for 13.10, yes
[14:13] <rsalveti> let me find the blueprint
[14:13] <Laney> ok
[14:13] <Laney> just figuring out the lay of the land for settings really
[14:15] <ikillcypher> ogra_, any idea who I assigned it to ?
[14:16] <fury__> is it planned or does someone "port" ubuntu touch for the "asus memo pad hd 7"?
[14:21] <ikillcypher> alright I have assigned it to sergiusens.. with the logs attach
[14:21] <rsalveti> Laney: actually, we don't have a blueprint yet, we stopped at the point where we needed to do a proper review of it
[14:21] <rsalveti> Laney: in case you have enough cycles, feel free to cover that
[14:21] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, why me?
[14:21] <Laney> rsalveti: I sure don't :P
[14:21] <rsalveti> and ping tvoss__ with the results
[14:21] <rsalveti> :-)
[14:21] <ikillcypher> cause I cant assign it to the team
[14:21] <Laney> rsalveti: I'm going to hide it in system-settings now
[14:21] <ikillcypher> and I dont know who is incharge of radio
[14:22] <rsalveti> Laney: ok
[14:22] <rsalveti> if we have a manual way of setting the timezone, it should be fine
[14:22] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, well can't you assign to yourself? or leave unassigned?
[14:22] <tvoss__> Laney, rsalveti +1
[14:22] <Laney> yes
[14:22] <Laney> as long as polkit comes along ...
[14:22] <tvoss__> Laney, I'm mostly interested what timed contains on top of timezone handling
[14:22] <ikillcypher> assign it to myself ?
[14:22] <cjwatson> Is lightdm definitely still on the list to land pre-saucy?
[14:22] <tvoss__> Laney, it's a massive piece of software
[14:23] <Laney> tvoss__: I don't care what does it really
[14:23] <Laney> tvoss__: Just as long as there is something for automatic time/timezone setting
[14:23] <tvoss__> Laney, I do care though ;)
[14:23] <Laney> Someone needs to :-)
[14:23] <Laney> cjwatson: mterry told me it was coming RSN
[14:24] <cjwatson> Just wanted to make sure it wasn't dropped at some point
[14:24] <tvoss__> Laney, true. So are you going to look into it?
[14:24] <Laney> tvoss__: I wouldn't count on that
[14:24] <Laney> too much to do for settings right now
[14:24] <tvoss__> Laney, ack
[14:24] <mterry> Laney, cjwatson: it's in asac's queue...  (note that this is still just autologin-to-phablet mode, no real security, but it does fix logind/polkit)
[14:24] <cjwatson> asac: So I think literally all I need to do to delegate some control over -proposed is to check out another branch with some text files owned by some appropriate touch-ish team, and to add a few lines to a config file
[14:25] <fury__> is it planned or does someone "port" ubuntu touch for the "asus memo pad hd 7"?
[14:25] <ikillcypher> well if I can actually see the code of who fix radio for nexus It would be nice since I would know what to do
[14:25] <ikillcypher> now Im cluless
[14:25] <cjwatson> asac: That means it's basically just a matter of you/somebody saying which team you think should be able to block/unblock packages for touch
[14:25] <rsalveti> cjwatson: mterry: it seems lightdm is still not part of the landing pipeline: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=0
[14:25] <ogra_> cjwatson, i think we should have a separate team for this
[14:25] <mhall119> Kaleo: congrats on the successful fork!
[14:26] <Laney> tvoss__: Hmm, actually, the time/date setting (not timezone) seems to be hooked up to timedated's useNTP property
[14:26] <cjwatson> ogra_: "ubuntu-touch-release" perhaps?
[14:26] <ogra_> cjwatson, like you suggested, something like phablet-release ... so we can add peole in a cross team manner
[14:26] <Laney> tvoss__: so maybe that works
[14:26] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, tsounds good
[14:26] <tvoss__> Laney, if we can get away with what we already have: even better
[14:27] <rsalveti> mterry: can you work with asac to add lightdm and everything that needs to be done together with it at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=0 ?
[14:27] <cjwatson> asac: If it doesn't work out for you then we can just not use it and you don't lose anything, of course
[14:27] <cjwatson> But I think it should
[14:31] <mterry> rsalveti, I did yesterday, see Landing Asks tab
[14:31] <mterry> rsalveti, if there are sacrificial chickens to be had, point me at them, I will murder them
[14:32] <rsalveti> mterry: awesome, didn't see it because it will only touch the ubuntu-touch-session package now
[14:32] <rsalveti> sure
[14:33] <sergiusens> stgraber, ogra_ are we still reading from .developer_mode ?
[14:33] <rsalveti> we just need to remember to drop the polkit override for network-manager once that's in
[14:34] <alecu> anybody experienced color shifting in photos taken with mako? https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1226625
[14:36] <Saviq> fginther, so... https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/887/? and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/2979/? show a set of failures unrelated to unity8 that have caused a CI failure :/
[14:36] <Laney> mterry: Do you plan on making the greeter read the stats / messages configuration? Or should we just defer that?
[14:36] <mterry> Laney, I have a unity8 branch for the stats bit that has been waiting for a review for a week or so
[14:37] <mterry> Laney, the messages side is a little trickier, I'm waiting for design feedback on how messages should even appear in greeter...
[14:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, nope .writable_image replaced it
[14:37] <Laney> heh
[14:37] <Laney> will hide the messages one for now then :P
[14:37] <MDEE> hey guys. is anyone aware of issues with the standard phablet-flash process for getting Touch on a Nexus 4? I had problems. towards the end, it tried to do something and I got "insufficient permissions". I think it has to do with the adb server
[14:38] <MDEE> I had to do a manual install using adb push
[14:38] <mterry> Laney, sounds sensible.  Sorry it's taken so long
[14:38] <sergiusens> ogra_, great
[14:38] <Laney> np
[14:38] <ogra_> sergiusens, though if you plan to re-use it for adb i would rather go with something more specific
[14:38] <ogra_> (.usb-debug-shell or some such)
[14:39] <MDEE> basically I'm reporting that under Ubuntu 13.04, these instructions do NOT work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[14:39] <fginther> Saviq, right. It currently looks like these are just unstable tests as I can't find any connection to the failures and how they are being executed yet. If these app tests are truly unstable tests, we really don't want to use them to gate unity8.
[14:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, so we can keep .developer_mode for later usage (as something that would make the image writable and enable adb at the same time or so)
[14:39] <Saviq> fginther, yeah :/
[14:39] <fginther> Saviq, it's complicated by the fact that these tests are in trunk and so ran successfully at one time
[14:39] <sergiusens> ogra_, ok, I was more inclined with a developer mode  toggle that would do the write thing
[14:40] <Saviq> fginther, of course - flakiness
[14:40] <sergiusens> ogra_, well developer mode and writable images are not the same thing
[14:40] <fginther> Saviq, so far the experiment has not gone well. I'm going to start pulling out some tests
[14:41] <fginther> Saviq, I'll check the autolanding jobs as I do so
[14:41] <Saviq> fginther, thanks
[14:42] <ogra_> sergiusens, imho a full developer mode includes writability as well as some shell access
[14:42] <ikillcypher> ogra_, :P ubuntu-touch has improved so much in less then 1 month
[14:42] <ikillcypher> o.o
[14:42] <ogra_> (and probably other bits)
[14:42] <ogra_> ikillcypher, well, many people work on it all day
[14:43] <ikillcypher> how come you guys dont have a review system like cyanogenmod cause I would love to code and write something
[14:43] <sergiusens> ogra_, developer mode in android just means adb and install unsigned apps
[14:43] <ikillcypher> :( I mean I cant find anything where the source is online
[14:43] <sergiusens> ikillcypher, code.launchpad.net
[14:43] <ikillcypher> thanks
[14:44] <MDEE> so, anyone? known problems w/ adb/phablet-flash?
[14:44] <balloons> popey, when you downloaded the update, did you get visual feedback of the progress?
[14:44] <popey> balloons: no, known bug
[14:44] <balloons> thought so, ty
[14:45] <MDEE> popey: phablet-flash isn't working per the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[14:45] <sergiusens> MDEE, can you track down if adb works without launching the server with root?
[14:45] <popey> MDEE: how so?
[14:45] <MDEE> at the end of the flashing process, screen goes black on the NExus
[14:45] <MDEE> and I get "insufficient permissions" on the workstation
[14:45] <popey> there's a lot on that page, which one did you use?
[14:45] <MDEE> adb is unreliable, I have to repeatdly do "adb kill-server; adb start-server"
[14:45] <MDEE> like at EVERY step
[14:46] <MDEE> I'm not sure how to help troubleshoot this. it's a tricky one. I could try to shoot video of my Nexus's screen along with the laptop's terminal window, and run "watch adb devices" to show its status
[14:46] <sergiusens> MDEE, can you run  apt-cache policy android-tools-adb| pastebinit ?
[14:46] <MDEE> sure hang on
[14:46] <ikillcypher> this is confusing
[14:46] <ikillcypher> o.o cant even see any single code
[14:47] <ikillcypher> like
[14:47] <ikillcypher> https://github.com/wilfredcool007/framework_base_telephony/blob/master/HuaweiRIL.java
[14:47] <MDEE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119733/
[14:47] <ikillcypher> o.O
[14:47] <MDEE> I'm willing to reset the phone to Android and start over & walk through it now if you have time
[14:47] <ikillcypher> how do I access
[14:47] <ikillcypher> ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager
[14:48] <ikillcypher> so I can see the code
[14:48] <guest____> hi, how can I uninstall apps from ubuntu touch?
[14:48] <cjwatson> asac: If, hypothetically, I needed to arrange a period when the various offloaded archive jobs like proposed-migration might be vulnerable during migration to a new host (they hopefully won't actually go down for a noticeable period, but just in case something does go wrong), then when would be a good time?
[14:49] <cjwatson> asac: A sysadmin in .au has set up most of it now, so maybe some time early European morning to finish it off?
[14:49] <cjwatson> guest____: UI is underway; in the meantime, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00553.html
[14:49] <sergiusens> MDEE, can you flash again but run 'uvadm monitor --property' in a separate terminal
[14:49] <rickspencer3> awe_, ChickenCutlass my phone is really unreliable in terms of switching to 3g ... I can't tell if it's my phone or the service here, is there a way I can see what is going on? like a log or something?
[14:49] <sergiusens> MDEE, before doing this, can you kill adb
[14:50] <sergiusens> MDEE, and start with phone unplugged
[14:50] <cjwatson> guest____: Quickest way is currently "sudo click unregister --user=phablet PACKAGE-NAME"
[14:50] <MDEE> sergiusens: sure. hang on.. so you want me to reflash to Android?
[14:50] <guest____> cjwatson: thank you!
[14:50] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, I am sure there are ofono logs.  awe_ certainly knows the logs
[14:50] <sergiusens> MDEE, so the it would be, unplug phone, kill adb, run udevadm command on terminal, run phablet-flash ...
[14:50] <awe_> rickspencer3, cyphermox has been working on this for quite some time now, and we expect a NM fix to land shortly
[14:50] <ogra_> rickspencer3, there are NM issues apparently if you switch back and forth between wlan
[14:50] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, nothing crashed this time, at least :)
[14:50] <MDEE> sergiusens: ok. the phone is currently running Ubuntu, is that ok?
[14:50] <rickspencer3> ogra_, ah, ok
[14:50] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, I guess that is better
[14:50] <sergiusens> MDEE, yes, that's ok
[14:51] <cyphermox> yup
[14:51] <rickspencer3> ogra_, awe_ so leaving my office and going to the street and waiting for the bus and not having 3g sounds like the NM issue?
[14:51] <MDEE> ok. phone unplugged. adb kill-server. running udevadm..
[14:51] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: it does
[14:51] <sergiusens> MDEE, I just want to see what happens wrt to udev rules
[14:51]  * rickspencer3 nods
[14:51] <asac> cjwatson: you mean you want to do something that might stop proposed?
[14:51] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: I had a patch ready, but apparently it wasn't working for rsalveti
[14:51] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, I logged this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1225393 maybe it's a dupe?
[14:52] <awe_> rickspencer3, we'll figure out if it's a dup!  ;)
[14:52] <MDEE> ok udevadm is running
[14:52] <cjwatson> asac: We've been planning to move it to a new host for some time, and that new host is now ready; I'd like to arrange a time to cut over
[14:52] <MDEE> sergiusens: udevadm is up. says it will print events for UDEV and KERNEL
[14:53] <MDEE> sergiusens: now plug in, and do phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b ? do I need adb start-server first?
[14:53] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: I'll dedupe, yeah
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: We can test a lot of it, but can't test absolutely everything in advance without actually cutting over, so I want to make sure I pick a time when nobody is going to be seriously inconvenienced by half an hour or so of outage
[14:53] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: I'm doing more testing, but expect a resolution soon
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: So I just wanted to check on general parameters for such times that I could then arrange in detail with sysadmin
[14:53] <rickspencer3> thanks cyphermox
[14:54] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, is there anything I can do to work around it in the meantime
[14:54]  * rickspencer3 is totally depending on Ubuntu Touch phone
[14:54] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: not so much. it's just racy
[14:54] <rickspencer3> ok
[14:54] <rickspencer3> thanks cyphermox
[14:54] <rickspencer3> I'll stand by
[14:54] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: I can rebuild the patch I gave rsalveti, it may work slightly better for you
[14:54] <cyphermox> but it's not a complete fix
[14:54] <ikillcypher> wifi is dead
[14:55] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, that sounds like extra work
[14:55] <rickspencer3> I would just keep doing what you are doing :)
[14:55] <ikillcypher> and can someone guide to get into network manager so I can see the code?
[14:55] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: ack
[14:55] <rickspencer3> thanks for the offer though, cyphermox
[14:55] <cjwatson> didrocks: BTW, the above conversation with asac also includes cu2d - it'll be moving to snakefruit along with the rest of the ubuntu-archive jobs
[14:55] <cjwatson> didrocks: See RT#63122
[14:55] <didrocks> cjwatson: just ensure we have the same firewall rule to access magners please
[14:56] <didrocks> (to rsync)
[14:56] <cjwatson> didrocks: Can you check?  You have ssh access already
[14:56] <sergiusens> MDEE, no need to start adb, phablet-flash will do it for you
[14:56] <cjwatson> didrocks: Or tell me the FQDN or IP address so I can check
[14:56] <MDEE> ok
[14:56] <MDEE> sergiusens: phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b ?
[14:57] <asac> cjwatson: can we have a separate call on this? i feel i miss details
[14:57] <asac> and its important
[14:57] <asac> :)
[14:57] <cjwatson> asac: Could you read https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=63122 first?  It should have all the necessary details
[14:57] <asac> yeah
[14:57] <didrocks> cjwatson: since I'm EODing soon, better that you have it: <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:57] <MDEE> sergiusens: I plugged in the phone, udevadm dumped a bunch of stuff out
[14:57] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, workaround is sudo restart network-manager (I depend on the phone too so I resort to these things which I hope I don't need to)
[14:58] <MDEE> I'll dump all this into a paste at the end
[14:58] <sergiusens> MDEE, yeah, I'm going to need all that output
[14:58] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, ok, that sounds easy
[14:58] <rickspencer3> thanks sergiusens
[14:59] <nerochiaro> pete-woods-late-:  when you have a moment, i'm trying to figure out a way to write decent unit tests for the qml bindings of libusermetrics. normally i would use QtQuickTest but if I do that I have no way to verify that the data has been updated in the data store
[14:59] <MDEE> damn it. I can't use tee with udevadm
[14:59] <nerochiaro> pete-woods-late-: so i'm not sure how to approach writing these tests. wonder if you have some suggestions
[14:59] <MDEE> I'll just redirect it normally
[15:00] <cjwatson> didrocks: That doesn't work yet - I've followed up to the ticket to ask for it
[15:00] <didrocks> cjwatson: thanks a lot
[15:00] <MDEE> sergiusens: ok, phablet flashing...
[15:03] <pete-woods> nerochiao: are you not able to interrogate the DBus interfaces of the data sets in the same way as the other tests? or you could use dbusmock to mock the libusermetrics DBus API
[15:03] <MDEE> rather.. downloading files
[15:06] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch want boot after install | http://askubuntu.com/q/346689
[15:08]  * genii ponders "want" vs "won't"
[15:10] <wellsb> If it want boot, give it boot
[15:11] <MDEE> argh
[15:12] <sil2100> bfiller: ping
[15:13] <MDEE> I hope sergiusens comes back
[15:14] <bfiller> sil2100: pong
[15:15] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: well, either i use QtQuickTest and write the unit tests in QML, or to use C++ as the other tests do I need to figure out a way to setup a QQuickView or something similar as part of the test in which to run the QML part of the test. I haven't seen this done anywhere else yet.
[15:16] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: can you include a QML plugin in your QtQuickTest to do the C++ parts?
[15:18] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: not that i know of. QQuickTest is basically just a mechanism to load QML files in the same directory and call specifically named functions in them as tests. I don't think it's possible to compile extra c++ code (an extra QML  plugin)
[15:18] <nerochiaro> when using it
[15:18] <MDEE> can anyone tell me how I can open a bug ticket for phablet-tools?
[15:19] <ikillcypher> -_-''
[15:19] <ikillcypher> anyone noticed that that wifi is broken in the latest arm-hf.zip
[15:19] <nerochiaro> MDEE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+filebug
[15:19] <MDEE> thanks. phablet-flash is broked.
[15:21] <pete-woods> merochiao: so if I have an import statement for a QML plugin I wrote in a QtQuick test case that doesn't work?
[15:21] <ikillcypher> wifi is broken..
[15:22] <cwayne1> mhr3: ping
[15:22] <mhr3> cwayne1, pong
[15:24] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: it works, but the c++ plugin needs to be compiled somehow when the tests are built
[15:24] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: is that not fairly simple?
[15:25] <MDEE> on an unrelated note, anyone know why QtCreator is missing all the Ubuntu Touch project templates?
[15:25] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: to build it yes, to build it before the QtQuickTest tests are run, i'm not sure
[15:25] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: i'll give it a shot, sounds like the best option
[15:25] <cwayne1> mhr3: hi, are the unity bits that enable scopes to live in /custom in the image yet?
[15:25] <MDEE> I swear at one point, QtCreator had Ubuntu Touch apps under 'File > New Project'
[15:25] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: I'm confident that can be done - if you need any help fighting cmake, I have no problem lending a hand
[15:25] <MDEE> now they're gone. did a fresh install too
[15:26] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: thanks. i'll poke you if i get lost in cmake-voodoo
[15:26] <cwayne1> asac: ping
[15:26] <asac> cwayne1: questions about landings? -> #ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:33] <tedg> tmoenicke_, Hey, I was chatting with attente about keyboard settings.  Do you know when the GSettings based settings will land on the server?
[15:36] <jibel> how to I completely erase a device with phablet-flash ubuntu-system, there was a -b option of legacy image but don't see it for u-system
[15:36] <jibel> ?
[15:36] <cjwatson> --no-backup isn't it?
[15:36] <popey> --no-backup
[15:37] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install has some examples
[15:37] <jibel> cjwatson, popey thanks
[15:37] <lool> (a new bootstrap flag is also coming up)
[15:37] <jfunk> thanks jibel
[15:37] <sil2100> bfiller: about my earlier ping - I have a strange situation with the dialer-app autopilot tests - when I first ran them, all tests passed - but from the second run onwards I cannot get it working
[15:38] <sil2100> bfiller: the application seems hanged up
[15:39] <tmoenicke_> tedg: hi ted. looks like early next week
[15:39] <bfiller> sil2100: that's strange, I can try it. why does it need to be run twice? shouldn't block landing
[15:39] <bfiller> sil2100: the tests are quite minimal
[15:39] <bfiller> don't really test anything of significance
[15:40] <attente> tmoenicke_, also any idea of the spell checking settings? i really have no info about it...
[15:40] <sil2100> bfiller: I mean, hm, I cannot reproduce it working anymore, whenever I run the tests with phablet-test-run the dialer-app does not react to anything
[15:41] <sil2100> Not sure what happened
[15:41] <sil2100> After a fresh device reboot it works again
[15:42] <tmoenicke_> attente: what info do you need about the spell checking?
[15:42] <MDEE> does anyone here work on phablet-flash?
[15:42] <bfiller> sil2100: sounds like either autopilot or the tests leave something in a bad state
[15:42] <popey> MDEE: people here do, yes
[15:42] <bfiller> sil2100: what build and env should I use to try?
[15:42] <attente> tmoenicke_, what interface is there for modifying those settings? is it through maliit-server or something else?
[15:42] <MDEE> my phablet-flash process dies out at the end with: error: insufficient permissions for device
[15:42] <MDEE> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell mount /data' returned non-zero exit status 255
[15:43] <popey> MDEE: what command are you using?
[15:43] <MDEE> phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[15:43] <popey> MDEE: what device?
[15:43] <MDEE> I think it's adb's fault. it seems to lose connection during the process
[15:43] <MDEE> Nexus 4
[15:43] <popey> dodgy usb cable?
[15:43] <MDEE> not at all
[15:43] <MDEE> adb devices reports "no permissions" or whatever the msg is..
[15:43] <popey> adb kill-server
[15:44] <sil2100> bfiller: ok, I found a way to trigger the 'brokeness'
[15:44] <popey> sudo adb start-server
[15:44] <MDEE> run it with sudo? hmm.. ok
[15:44] <popey> then try it
[15:44] <MDEE> lemme try that
[15:44] <tmoenicke_> attente: it will be in ubuntu-keyboard. i will summarize it in an email
[15:45] <sil2100> bfiller: I use mako, upgrade dialer-app and messaging-app from daily-build (not sure if you need an upgraded messaging-app, but I use one for now) - if you run dialer_app tests normally, they pass, but after you run messaging_app tests and then try to run dialer_app tests, they fail all the time
[15:45] <attente> tmoenicke_, fantastic, thanks!
[15:45] <MDEE> popey: when I did the manual install, I kept having to do "adb kill-server; adb start-server" all the time because it kept going to "insufficient permissions"
[15:45] <MDEE> ok, Nexus 4 has black screen
[15:45] <MDEE> phablet-flash is waiting... it's done though
[15:45] <sil2100> bfiller: it's as if running messaging_app tests breaks dialer_app
[15:45] <WebbyIT> I have to report a bug about login in gmail app, where I have to report it?
[15:45] <MDEE> aha! "CLearing /data and /cache" works now!
[15:45] <MDEE> popey: THANK YOU
[15:45] <popey> MDEE: great!
[15:45] <popey> yw
[15:46] <sil2100> bfiller: even the whole dialer-app application isn't responding when ran
[15:46] <MDEE> this page should be edited to reflect that. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install - you HAVE to do "sudo adb start-server"
[15:46] <MDEE> adb start-server without sudo does not work
[15:46] <sil2100> bfiller: checking if running messaging-app manually (without AP testing) breaks dialer-app as well
[15:47] <bfiller> sil2100: ok, we had bugs that were fixed previously with both of those apps running but that should be working now. we had to unregister telepathy listener when dialer was sent to background. maybe lifcycle mgmt is broken causing this
[15:47] <bfiller> boiko: ^^^^^
[15:48] <bfiller> sil2100: I'll see if I can reproduce
[15:48] <om26er> mfisch, hello
[15:48] <MDEE> popey: one more Q, unrelated. I installed the Ubuntu SDK.. and when I run it, there are no Ubuntu Touch project templates. I know for sure there used to be at some point
[15:49] <mfisch> om26er: morning
[15:49] <sil2100> bfiller: I tried manually just running messaging-app and then dialer-app, but it didn't seem to break anything - retrying with the AP approach
[15:49] <popey> MDEE: this can happen sometimes... rm ~/.config/QtProject
[15:49] <popey> then re-open ubuntu sdk
[15:49] <om26er> mfisch, hey! I have found an issue and think it could be in powerd
[15:49] <om26er> mfisch, bug 1226672
[15:49] <om26er> duplicate?
[15:50] <MDEE> popey: man.. you are just full of good answers today! THANK you!
[15:50] <MDEE> popey: so, cdimage-touch is updated daily, yes? is ubuntu-system? is there any reason I'd want ubuntu-system over cdimage-touch?
[15:52] <MDEE> wow man.. Ubuntu Touch does NOT like WPA2 Enterprise routers! ha
[15:52] <MDEE> doesn't even ask for a password.
[15:52] <mfisch> om26er: it could be in powerd for sure, sforshee ^^^
[15:53] <mfisch> om26er: I'm not working on powerd anymore, I've been reassigned
[15:53] <om26er> mfisch, aha, ok..
[15:53] <popey> MDEE: it's detailed on the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:54] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: made some other tests and to make dialer-app unresponsive and broken, you need to run the messaging-app autopilot tests and then dialer-app autopilot tests (which fail) - and afterwards dialer-app is broken until rebooted
[15:54] <boiko> sil2100: interesting
[15:55] <MDEE> popey: oh crap. cdimage-touch is deprecated..
[15:55] <popey> not so much
[15:55] <sil2100> boiko: I wonder if the AP tests are doing anything strange
[15:55] <popey> it still works just fine.
[15:55] <popey> ubuntu-system allows for over the air updates though which is cool
[15:55] <MDEE> popey: oh ok. the page says so
[15:55] <MDEE> popey: is ubuntu-system updated as frequently as cdimage-touch?
[15:55] <popey> depends on your perspective
[15:56] <popey> basically daily
[15:56] <sil2100> boiko: try upgrading on a device messaging-app and dialer-app and running AP tests as I mentioned, and see if dialer-app is broken afterwards
[15:56] <MDEE> popey: ah ok. I'll switch
[15:56] <boiko> sil2100: I'm in the middle of debugging something else, I will try that in ~1 hour probably
[15:56] <MDEE> popey: the page says this is the recommended syntax:     phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup
[15:56] <MDEE> popey: is that still accurate?
[15:56] <popey> yeah
[15:56] <sil2100> boiko: ok, cool thanks!
[15:57] <bfiller> sil2100, boiko: just did this exact thing and worked fine for me on maguro : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6119979/
[15:57] <MDEE> popey: who maintains that page?
[15:57] <bfiller> sil2100: I ran tests on the device using autopilot run, not with the script
[15:57] <popey> "we"d do
[15:57] <MDEE> popey: ok. I recommend changing the "adb start-server" step to "sudo adb start-server". phablet-flash absolutely does not work properly unless adb is running via sudo
[15:58] <MDEE> and I'm on a pretty standard setup. (Ubuntu 13.04 + Nexus 4)
[15:58] <popey> MDEE: yeah, that should already be fixed, not sure why you're getting that
[15:58] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: maybe it's related to killing the shell every time or something
[15:58] <om26er> MDEE, adb and fastboot permission issues are pretty mixed in13.10
[15:58] <popey> but its certainly not the case that everyone needs to do that, which is why we don't put that on the wiki
[15:59] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: or hm... could history-service be related? Since I also upgraded history-service
[15:59] <MDEE> popey: so is it because I'm on 13.04? and in 13.10 you don't need sudo?
[15:59] <bfiller> sil2100: I did a dist-upgrade from the daily build ppa so I have all the latest
[15:59] <bfiller> sil2100: how are you running the tests? you shouldn't be killing the shell. just make sure the phone is awake and unlocked
[15:59] <popey> MDEE: perhaps, I thought it was fixed on 13.04 too
[16:00] <MDEE> ah
[16:00] <MDEE> i'll leave my ticket open then
[16:00] <MDEE> I put in a bug ticket
[16:00] <MDEE> I can modify it to explain what the issue is, now that we know
[16:01] <sil2100> bfiller: I'm using this command more or less: phablet-test-run -n -o output dialer_app
[16:01] <sil2100> bfiller: I'll try without -n
[16:02] <bfiller> sil2100: try running "autopilot run messaging_app" directly when ssh'd on the phone with the shell unlocked, then "autopilot run dialer_app" the same way after
[16:02] <MDEE> popey: thanks again for your help, you've solved multiple issues for me that were giving me headaches
[16:05] <popey> MDEE: good times!
[16:06] <MDEE> flashing the ubuntu-system image on there now
[16:06] <MDEE> is it a bad sign of my phone has a black screen (but is on) and the last thing I see in the terminal is: INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes.
[16:07] <MDEE> s/of/if
[16:07] <popey> no
[16:07] <MDEE> oh there it goes
[16:07] <popey> its a good thing
[16:07] <MDEE> wow, that took a while
[16:07] <popey> patience is a virtue
[16:07] <MDEE> ha
[16:07] <popey> ☻
[16:07] <MDEE> I was expecting the android with his panel open and magical stuff going on
[16:07] <popey> we hide magic
[16:07] <popey> magic is overrated
[16:09] <sil2100> bfiller: I'll try, but I wonder how the smoke-testing guys run those tests - since we want to make sure those work as well
[16:09] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: in your usermetricsinput unit tests, how do you deal with the fact that once you run a test the data source will be already there in following runs of the same test ?
[16:10] <bfiller> sil2100: I see same failure if I use  phablet-test-run -n -o output dialer_app, but not if I use phablet-test-run -o output dialer_app
[16:10] <popey> bfiller: ogra_ suggested we shouldn't use -n anymore
[16:10] <bfiller> sil2100: I think smoke tests reboot the phone after each app is run, fginther, plars is that correct?
[16:10] <popey> the -n kills unity doesn't it?
[16:11] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: I run the tests using libqtdbustest, which makes a private instance of dbus, and I run the service with the argument :memory: which makes sqlite use a memory backed database that is destroyed when the service shuts down
[16:11] <plars> bfiller: yes
[16:11] <ogra_> popey, you need -n for unity8 tests
[16:11] <popey> this is dialler app tho
[16:11] <sil2100> bfiller: confirming, it works when ran through ssh
[16:11] <ogra_> but shouldnt use it for any of rge app ones
[16:11] <ogra_> *the
[16:12] <bfiller> sil2100: so it's not an issue, daily smoketests reboot the phone after each suite is run. and we shouldn't be using -n for running app tests regardless
[16:12] <oSoMoN> balloons: hey, would you mind having a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-calendar-app/revert-useless-revision/+merge/185779 ?
[16:12] <sil2100> ogra_: got it, yesterday I got the impression that we're using that for all tests
[16:12] <pete-woods> nerochari: see the class tests/testutils/DBusTest
[16:12] <sil2100> bfiller: indeed! Ok, thanks for digging into that, then I guess we're ready for release o/
[16:12] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: ^
[16:12] <ogra_> sil2100, plars can surely clearify
[16:12] <bfiller> sil2100: cool
[16:13] <sil2100> boiko: ^ issue resolved \o/
[16:13] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: understood. thanks
[16:13] <boiko> sil2100: nice! thanks :)
[16:13] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: where do you set up all that ?
[16:14] <balloons> oSoMoN, is Oliver around
[16:14] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: oh, DBusTest.cpp it seels
[16:14] <nerochiaro> seems
[16:14] <plars> ogra_, sil2100: for daily smoke tests, we *only* kill unity8 for the unity8 tests. All other tests run a script that unlocks the screen without killing unity. The phone is rebooted between tests, so if unity8 is killed for the unity8 tests, it's not in a bad state for the next test that runs
[16:15] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: yes, it's quite simple when using libqtdbustest, just compose an instance of DBusTestRunner
[16:15] <ogra_> yeah]
[16:15] <oSoMoN> balloons: did you mean Olivier?
[16:15] <pete-woods> inside your test class
[16:15] <MDEE> popey: one more Q and I'm out! so now that I have ubuntu-system.. I don't have to do phablet-flash to update the daily build, I can just go to updates on the phone & grab over the air?
[16:15] <balloons> oSoMoN, yes, sorry
[16:15] <oSoMoN> balloons: oSoMoN == Olivier
[16:15] <oSoMoN> (== me)
[16:15] <pete-woods> the library handles the problem of asynchronously waiting for startup, too
[16:15] <sil2100> plars: got it, thanks!
[16:15] <balloons> oSoMoN, lolol.. I thought so, but it was weird
[16:16] <bfiller> sil2100: what is the issue with landing ubuntu-keyboard?
[16:16] <balloons> oSoMoN, ok, so I was planning to look at calendar again today as it's still failing as you've noticed ;-) I'll try and answer each one of your points
[16:17] <guest____> sorry, I asked before about removing an app, I do not seem to have the click binary so i cannot call click: command not found
[16:17] <oSoMoN> balloons: thanks, I wanted to investigate the problem further myself, but I have way too many tasks on my plate atm
[16:17] <guest____> installing it from apt-get i guess?
[16:18] <cjwatson> guest____: Er, are you on a touch device?
[16:18] <guest____> ye
[16:18] <balloons> oSoMoN, "  - unnecessarily expanded the code," Yep, that was on purpose to provide clarity on what was failing, and because there was no need to introduce potential bugs by being cute. "introduced a regression (doesn’t work for abs(delta) > 24),", yikes, this should be added as a test then. "didn’t fix the autopilot failures observed on devices (see e.g. http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4256/calendar-app-autopilot/)" sadly
[16:18] <balloons> it didn't, though they run just fine locally on my device, which was why I pushed it to begin with. your reverted changes don't work at all on my device
[16:18] <guest____> cjwatson: sgs2 with ubunut touch
[16:18] <cjwatson> guest____: Because click has been preinstalled in all ubuntu-touch images since early July
[16:19] <cjwatson> guest____: So, sure, you can install it with apt-get, but if you're missing it then something is wrong
[16:19] <guest____> this build might be older
[16:19] <guest____> cjwatson: just installed it but "click list --manifest" doesnt show anything, need reboot?
[16:19] <balloons> oSoMoN, overall I don't want to revert the changes, but I agree more work needs to be done. Something is still causing it to fail on the device, and we should fix your noted regression and overall clean up the expanded implementation
[16:20] <balloons> oSoMoN, basically another rewrite is needed
[16:20] <cjwatson> guest____: I'm having a very hard time understanding how any click packages could be installed if click itself wasn't installed
[16:20] <cjwatson> guest____: If click list --manifest doesn't show them, then you don't have them
[16:20] <popey> MDEE: yes
[16:20] <cjwatson> guest____: In which case all the apps are installed as .debs and you can remove them with apt-get
[16:21] <balloons> oSoMoN, I will say, I'm very confused about the sign, -sign and copysign,delta stuff.. I've no idea what you were trying to do there. You can see I replaced the swipes with very simple drag's
[16:21] <MDEE> popey: excellent
[16:21] <popey> MDEE: dont worry if you get no feedback when you hit the "download" button there, thats coming
[16:21] <guest____> cjwatson: okay, so click is just another package install system, like apt-get?
[16:21] <MDEE> popey: good to know. so just tap it, and be patient.
[16:22] <guest____> cjwatson: and they changed it from apt-get to click recently?
[16:22] <MDEE> popey: is there any indication that there is a new update or not?
[16:22] <balloons> iBelieve, any update on fixing the sdk header bug so the tests can pass? :-)
[16:22] <cjwatson> guest____: We're in the process of moving to click for user-installable apps; at the moment three of the preinstalled apps in Ubuntu Touch images are installed that way
[16:22] <iBelieve> balloons, just fixed that, haven't pushed the branch yet
[16:23] <popey> MDEE: not yet, other than going to that screen
[16:24] <guest____> cjwatson: thanks for the information, I was trying to remove apps like Amazon and eBay, how would I uninstall theses, and find their package name
[16:24] <MDEE> popey: right, ok
[16:24] <popey> MDEE: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-17-111959.png
[16:24] <popey> like that
[16:24] <popey> i have mine set to autodownload on wifi ☻
[16:25] <MDEE> gotcha
[16:26] <cjwatson> guest____: dpkg -l '*amazon*' '*ebay*' should tell you the package names, then "apt-get purge those-package-names"
[16:26] <cjwatson> (the latter under sudo)
[16:26] <cjwatson> My number of three earlier was mistaken, those have actually been converted to click in current images
[16:26] <cjwatson> So it's nine now, including six webapps
[16:26] <ogra_> there is still a bunch of click apps coming from the PPA
[16:27] <ogra_> should be more than three debs
[16:27] <cjwatson> Yeah, but they wind up on disk as nine click packages, is my point
[16:27] <cjwatson> However they get there
[16:28] <ogra_> no, they dont
[16:28] <cjwatson> They sure do
[16:28] <ogra_> well, probably they end up on disk like that but all of them have a dpkg DB entry
[16:28] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6120094/
[16:29] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6120095/
[16:29] <ogra_> heh
[16:29] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6120096/
[16:29] <cjwatson> No dpkg DB entry
[16:29] <cjwatson> I'm not talking about those ones
[16:29] <cjwatson> I know there are still *-app packages installed as .debs; those aren't click packages
[16:29] <balloons> iBelieve, k, I'm more than happy to review it, I want that red spot gone just as much as yu
[16:29] <cjwatson> or "click apps" or whatever you said above
[16:29] <ogra_> ah, i thought you talked about click packages in general
[16:29] <ogra_> sorry
[16:29] <cjwatson> ogra_: click packages in general == click packages
[16:30] <cjwatson> ogra_: maybe you mean "core apps"
[16:30] <ogra_> well all of tehse apps were supposed to be click by now
[16:30] <ogra_> yeah, i do
[16:30] <cjwatson> However, they aren't
[16:30] <cjwatson> So let's not talk about them in the present tense as if they are :)
[16:30] <ogra_> but looks like they wont be for release
[16:30] <cjwatson> Sure, I know the reasoning
[16:30] <cjwatson> I was just describing the present state
[16:30] <ogra_> right
[16:30] <guest____> Is there any way to see which version of touch I'm running? In the settings app it says Last Updated 2013-04-09
[16:30] <oSoMoN> balloons: your re-implementation does exactly what my original implementation did (with less code), which is why I’m proposing to revert
[16:31] <ogra_> guest____, in older images ther eis a stamp in /var/log/installer/media-info
[16:31] <ogra_> in newer ones it is in /etc/media-info now
[16:32] <oSoMoN> balloons: copysign is just a way to get the sign of the delta
[16:32] <balloons> oSoMoN, yes, I agree yours is less code, and mine could certainly be reduced, however, I don't like the original implementation "swiping". it doesn't work on my device, and I'm really not sure what it is you are trying to do
[16:32] <guest____> ogra_: thanks
[16:32] <oSoMoN> balloons: where do you see a swipe? it does a drag, just like yours
[16:33] <zzarr> hello hashcode, I wounder how the hdmi driver is comming along for the motorola maserati?
[16:35] <Hashcode> zzarr: tbh, I just haven't had the time to look at it :/
[16:35] <balloons> oSoMoN, yes, but why so much complex math to do a drag?
[16:35] <oSoMoN> balloons: it’s not complex math, it’s just an elegant way to avoid a lot of if else blocks to do the same drag movement in one direction or in the other
[16:37] <balloons> oSoMoN, ultimately reverting it is fine by me.. but like yourself I want the tests to actually pass and reverting it doesn't help that. So I'm more worried about fixing it to work. Feel free to revert and when I get a chance to debug further today I will
[16:38] <cwayne1> cjwatson: should preinstallation of clicks in /custom work with click 0.4.6? i'm not seeing the app show up in click list
[16:38] <oSoMoN> balloons: yeah, reverting was only the first step, unfortunately I haven’t found the time to dig further into the actual issue, I hope I’ll find some time later today
[16:39] <balloons> oSoMoN, my implementation I found actually ran properly on a local device.. I don't believe the original did, but I'll find out this afternoon
[16:39] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Yes.  Can you pastebin "find /custom/click -ls" for me?
[16:39] <oSoMoN> balloons: the original did, it works fine on my device
[16:39] <balloons> oSoMoN, so, the issue is likely to be something very small, perhaps an additional assert is needed
[16:40] <oSoMoN> balloons: yeah, it’s probably something very stupid and trivial to fix once figured out…
[16:40] <cwayne1> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6120135/
[16:40] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Those don't appear to have been installed with --all-users
[16:41] <zzarr> hashcode I see, I'll keep waiting patientently :)
[16:41] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Or else your image builder included /custom/click/* or something and hence omitted /custom/click/.click/
[16:42] <cwayne1> cjwatson: ah, ill try and fix that
[16:43] <cjwatson> cwayne1: You should end up with /custom/click/.click/users/@all/ (this is an internal implementation detail so don't rely on it)
[16:46] <oSoMoN> balloons: I’m comparing the failures with the original implementation and with yours, and they’re not happening at the same place
[16:47] <balloons> oSoMoN, yes that's correct. I believe my implementation failed after 2 swipes to change the month
[16:48] <oSoMoN> balloons: yeah, whereas with the original impl, the swipes apparently all succeed, but it fails on going to today (which is the actual functionality under test)
[16:48] <cwayne1> cjwatson: so i copied that over, and i'm still getting the profile does not exist error
[16:49] <cjwatson> cwayne1: What error is that, exactly?
[16:49] <cjwatson> cwayne1: (That's not the problem you mentioned above)
[16:49] <cwayne1> cjwatson: dbus.log:aa-exec: ERROR: profile 'com.ubuntu.developer.alecu.qr-code_qr-code_0.2' does not exist
[16:49] <cjwatson> cwayne1: You probably haven't run hooks.  Did you reboot?
[16:50] <cwayne1> cjwatson: i did
[16:50] <cwayne1> i'll reboot again
[16:50] <cjwatson> No, don't
[16:50] <cjwatson> Unless you didn't reboot until after you copied those files
[16:50] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Can I have a complete tarball, including the .click subdirectory?
[16:50] <cwayne1> cjwatson: sure, one sec
[16:51] <oSoMoN> balloons: I’m starting to suspect that self.get_currentDayStart() doesn’t return the current date as expected
[16:51] <oSoMoN> balloons: or maybe it does but there’s a race condition and when the test starts it’s not always already initialized
[16:52] <oSoMoN> balloons: which would explain why the tests do not fail all the time, only sometimes
[16:53] <balloons> oSoMoN, that was different than my experience, however, I would agree that there was likely a race condition. Even my implementation didn't seem to like being run as an entire suite, meaning something outside of the tests was having timing issues
[16:56] <cwayne1> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~cwayne/custom.tar.xz
[16:59] <iBelieve> balloons, here is the merge if you want to review it (although it does have some other fixes as well as the header fix): https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fixed-progress-dialog/+merge/186103
[17:02] <balloons> ty iBelieve
[17:02] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Looks cromulent enough.  Anything in /var/log/upstart/click-system-hooks.log?
[17:03] <cjwatson> cwayne1: And what's in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?
[17:04] <cwayne1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6120217/ cjwatson
[17:05] <cjwatson> cwayne1: That looks fine ...
[17:05] <cwayne1> cjwatson: hm, i dont even have /var/log/upstart/click-system-hooks.log
[17:05] <cjwatson> cwayne1: How about the contents of /var/lib/apparmor/ ?
[17:06] <cjwatson> cwayne1: /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/ I mean
[17:06] <cjwatson> and .../profiles/
[17:06] <oSoMoN> balloons: I think I’ve got a fix, gonna push it in a minute, if you want to have a look
[17:07] <balloons> oSoMoN, <3!
[17:08] <cwayne1> cjwatson: nothing about that app in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks
[17:10] <oSoMoN> balloons: ah, I didn’t see you had already approved the reversion, I pushed it on top of the same branch, I’ll push it to another branch to avoid confusions
[17:10] <balloons> oSoMoN, gotcha
[17:12] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Huh.  And you definitely have /etc/init/click-system-hooks.conf ?
[17:12] <oSoMoN> balloons: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-calendar-app/assert-today-is-today/+merge/186105 , for your reviewing pleasure ;)
[17:13] <balloons> oSoMoN, ohh I see now
[17:14] <balloons> so just need to try on a device then
[17:14] <cjwatson> cwayne1: Might be worth trying "sudo click hook install-system" to see if for some reason it works by hand and not from the Upstart job.
[17:15] <cwayne1> cjwatson: ah, so it seems it was some issue with updating.. i had /etc/init/click-system-hooks.conf.dpkg-new
[17:16] <cwayne1> when i move that to click-system-hooks.conf it seems to work :)
[17:48] <ogra_> argh
[17:48] <ogra_> there is something wrong with stgraber's code :(
[17:48] <ogra_> https://system-image.ubuntu.com/saucy-proposed/maguro/index.json has two times the #52 image
[17:48] <ogra_> that should have become 53
[17:49] <plars> ogra_: I was just looking at the latest run, it broke on both maguro and mako and neither device is visible to me now
[17:49] <ogra_> hmm, intrestingly i get 53 with phablet-flash but the json file doesnt list it
[17:50] <plars> rfowler: can you take a look at maguro-02 and mako-01? I think they just fell over... probably sitting at the fastboot screen
[17:50] <ogra_> plars, well, it flashes fine for me
[17:50] <ogra_> (not finished yet, but its in the last steps)
[17:50] <plars> ogra_: I'm trying it locally, but both of them timed out in the lab
[17:51] <plars> ogra_: and were left in a state where I can't see them
[17:51] <ogra_> yeah, sounds bad
[17:51] <ogra_> lets see what rfowler tells us
[17:51] <ogra_> (whats on the screen)
[17:57] <mrueg> can anyone help me? i'm trying to flash ubuntu one on a galaxy nexus. this is the error i receive: http://bpaste.net/show/F8piWQzKDubd0rxgGHbB/
[18:05] <sergiusens> mrueg, and a broken android on the screen?
[18:05] <mrueg> sergiusens: yes, but restarts after a while
[18:06] <ricmm> anyone here with a phone that wasnt flashed today can help with a:
[18:06] <ricmm> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/shotwell.desktop
[18:06] <ricmm> ?
[18:07] <sergiusens> ogra_, the code is ok, one is full, the other is delta
[18:07] <sergiusens> plars, ^^
[18:07] <sergiusens> wrt to the two 52's
[18:07] <ogra_> ricmm, i think guest1__ runs an old image on his SGS2
[18:07] <ogra_> (SGS2 isnt flipped yet afaik)
[18:08] <ogra_> sergiusens, ah, thats confusing ... i always thought the last version would match the full one
[18:08] <sergiusens> ogra_, lol, if I don't start adbd on ubuntu I get adbd on android
[18:08] <ricmm> guest1__: ping :)
[18:08] <ogra_> and i obviously got the right image here using phablet-flash ... all fine i guess
[18:08] <mrueg> sergiusens: any idea?
[18:08] <sergiusens> ogra_, the delt is for OTA
[18:09] <sergiusens> mrueg, yeah, you need something that isn't released yet (in the pipelines)
[18:09] <om26er> ogra_, should I report "please unseed indicator-bluetooth" ?
[18:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, iirc rsalveti added that ... switch off adbd locally to enter the container
[18:09] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, I saw that in the prestart scripts
[18:09] <mrueg> sergiusens: can i get it from a vcs or anything like that?
[18:09] <plars> sergiusens: what was the difference between the 20130916 phablet-tools and the 20130916.2 that has come out since then? anything important?
[18:10] <ogra_> om26er, if it has asac approval (or more generally now #ubuntu-ci-eng approval) i'm fine just doing it
[18:10] <sergiusens> mrueg, bzr branch lp:phablet-tools; cd phablet-tools; ./phablet-flash ubuntu-system --bootstrap
[18:10] <mrueg> sergiusens: merci.
[18:10] <asac> ogra_: do you know what i think
[18:10] <sergiusens> plars, if you look at the changelog, it's the same package
[18:10] <asac> ogra_: i think mtp busted the automation :)
[18:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, i guess just an "[ -e /path/to/some/file ] && exit 0" at the top of the upstart job for adbd and making rsalveti;s change a manual thing should be fine for our purpose
[18:11] <sergiusens> plars, I think it was just launchpad copy api... also daily release seemed messed up, since part of the changelog was from a previous package release
[18:11] <sergiusens> ogra_, that's what I did
[18:11] <ogra_> asac, mtp just runs aside adb. wont affect any adb operation
[18:12] <asac> ogra_: so i just had a window open, a mount error and couldnt adb anymore
[18:12] <asac> after closing all it worked
[18:12] <om26er> asac, do you +1 the removal of indicator-bluetooth ?
[18:12] <ogra_> asac, hmm, what kind fo mount error ?
[18:13] <Saviq> fginther, it looks like running this amount of tests on every merge request for many projects is just not feasible - a mediumtest run now takes over an hour :/
[18:13] <asac> i dont know how to repro
[18:14] <ogra_> well, theoretically mtp wont influence adb behavior
[18:14]  * ogra_ takes a deep look at the mtp code
[18:14] <mrueg> sergiusens: now it boots into recovery, what do i have to do afterwards?
[18:14] <fginther> Saviq, hmmm ;-(
[18:15] <fginther> Saviq, perhaps running a one or two tests for the *_app suites would be a good comprimise
[18:15] <Saviq> fginther, we're backed up against the wall - http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-saucy/
[18:15] <Saviq> fginther, jobs have been running for 4hrs now
[18:17] <rfowler> plars ogra_ they are stuck at the screen swipe tutorial
[18:17] <ogra_> intresting
[18:17] <ogra_> i thought that was disabled for testing
[18:18] <plars> ogra_: it gets disabled later - after it confirms it came back after installing
[18:18] <plars> ogra_: in this case, we timed out before we got that far
[18:19] <plars> rfowler: I don't see the devices from adb though
[18:19] <ogra_> so that actually smells like an adb race between adbd coming up and the test
[18:19] <fginther> Saviq, one moment
[18:20] <rfowler> plars: ya i didn't fix it yet... about to ... just wanted to let you know what I saw
[18:20] <guest1__> ricmm, i'm not the one you are looking for, i don't even own an SGS2 ;)
[18:20] <ogra_> how do you plan to fix it
[18:20] <plars> ogra_: with a hammer
[18:20] <plars> :)
[18:20] <ogra_> guest1__, bah, damend, then it was another guest with underscore
[18:21] <ogra_> plars, heh
[18:21] <ogra_> plars, would be intresting to know if you can see them after a re-plug
[18:21] <plars> rfowler: maybe try rebooting just one of them to see if it comes back?
[18:21] <ogra_> without reboot
[18:21] <plars> rfowler: yeah, or even just replug
[18:21] <rfowler> plars: how about now
[18:21] <ogra_> also check the logs of the server
[18:22] <plars> rfowler: I don't think I see any new one, which one did you replug?
[18:22] <plars> maguro it looks like
[18:22] <ogra_> you see it ?
[18:22] <plars> ogra_: I saw it in dmesg, but nothing new showing up in adb devices
[18:22] <plars> wait
[18:22] <plars> wait
[18:22] <plars> wait
[18:22] <MDesigner> what's the fastest/easiest way to transfer a file to Ubuntu Touch? like a video file or mp3
[18:22]  * ogra_ waits
[18:22]  * rickspencer3 waits
[18:22] <rfowler> waiting... hands on phones
[18:23] <rickspencer3> MDesigner, I used adb push
[18:23] <ogra_> MDesigner, use the very latest image and just drag and drop in your filemanager
[18:23] <ogra_> (the *very* latest ... untested one ... )
[18:23] <plars> and we're back
[18:23] <MDesigner> oh. does that build show up in Ubuntu when you plug it in via USB?
[18:23] <rfowler> plars: thought they would be
[18:23] <ogra_> plars, so the re-plug did it ?
[18:23] <plars> adbd was running as an unusual user, but I'm not sure why
[18:23] <MDesigner> cuz I have ubuntu-system from the devel channel and it doesn't show up
[18:23] <plars> that's a new one
[18:24] <ogra_> plars, yeah
[18:24] <rickspencer3> MDesigner, the support for that just landed today ... should show up in the daily after the daily is verified to be green
[18:24] <rickspencer3> aiui
[18:24] <ogra_> rigtht
[18:24] <rfowler> plars:  ogra_ plug/unplug and going through the swipe thingy
[18:24] <plars> rfowler: don't bother, I'm about to rekick the jobs
[18:25] <MDesigner> rickspencer3: devel-proposed is the channel for bleeding edge?
[18:25] <rickspencer3> MDesigner, no
[18:25] <fginther> Saviq, I've dialed the tests back some more, just have gallery_app and unity8 now
[18:25] <rickspencer3> at least, I don't think so
[18:25] <ogra_> rsalveti, so i suspect the adbd in container thingie gets in our way here ... mtp sets the property, that makes adb respawn and if you connect exactly while the respawn happens you end up with an adbd inside the container
[18:25] <MDesigner> rickspencer3: oh ok. this page says it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[18:25] <rickspencer3> MDesigner, I think it's called "pending"
[18:26] <Saviq> fginther, thanks, it's not just unity8 that's affected, though, AFAICS
[18:26] <plars> asac: jobs are running again for now, will try to hunt down what happened earlier
[18:26] <MDesigner> ahh. the page says --pending is deprecated
[18:26] <Saviq> fginther, like what job is that http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/2987/parameters/? ?
[18:26] <ogra_> MDesigner, rickspencer3 sudo phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel=saucy-proposed
[18:26] <Saviq> fginther, it seems to be running tests for *everything*?
[18:26] <ogra_> that will give you the untested fun stuff
[18:27] <fginther> Saviq, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-ci
[18:27] <MDesigner> ogra_, what's the diff between saucy-proposed and devel-proposed?
[18:27] <Saviq> fginther, right, so that's almost 2hrs of tests...
[18:27] <Saviq> fginther, hardly acceptable if you ask me...
[18:27] <fginther> Saviq, same solution, dial back the tests
[18:27] <beuno> rickspencer3, "devel" was what the TB voted on, no?
[18:27] <Saviq> fginther, yup
[18:28] <rickspencer3> beuno, that's for something different
[18:28] <Saviq> fginther, especially since that blocked all of the runners for 2 hrs
[18:28] <ogra_> MDesigner, no difference ...
[18:28] <beuno> ah, ignore me
[18:28] <MDesigner> https://system-image.ubuntu.com/
[18:28] <MDesigner> so there's also daily-proposed
[18:28] <ogra_> MDesigner, right, they are all the same atm
[18:28] <Saviq> fginther, there were 4 UITK tests ran there, so it took over all ps-saucy-...s
[18:28] <ogra_> daily-proposed will go away soon
[18:28] <MDesigner> ah ok
[18:28] <MDesigner> thanks
[18:28] <ogra_> and saucy will become stable after release
[18:29] <fginther> Saviq, that definitely wasn't the plan.
[18:29] <ogra_> (and the T release becomes devel then)
[18:29] <Saviq> fginther, yeah, we didn't cope it seems
[18:31] <MDesigner> so, just curious.. when U Touch is finally officially done, will there be a neat & clean deployment method that will work on Win/Mac as well?
[18:31] <MDesigner> a simple user-friendly interface to flash the phone?
[18:31] <asac> plars: cool
[18:31] <ogra_> probably by 14.04 ...
[18:32] <asac> plars: did it manage to install etc.? or we just hope?
[18:32] <ogra_> for 13.10 we'll go with phablet-flash ...
[18:32] <plars> asac: will let you know soon
[18:32] <plars> asac: it seems to have installed, and certainly worked for me locally
[18:32] <asac> yeah
[18:32] <asac> did it twice too
[18:32] <plars> asac: I expect it to work now that the adb madness is sorted out, but I'm watching it
[18:32] <asac> plars: adb madness?
[18:33] <MDesigner> ogra_: so Touch won't be "mainstream" till 14.04 then
[18:33] <ogra_> asac, yeah, i'm sure it is a timing issue, something we need to fix anyway ... though you are right that mtp actually exposes it more which results in the breakage for plars
[18:33] <plars> asac: adb was running as the wrong user, probably just due to someone running adb devices at an inopportune time
[18:33] <asac> k
[18:33] <ogra_> plars, no
[18:33] <plars> the question is, why did adb ever die for that to happen
[18:34] <asac> interesting theory
[18:34] <ogra_> plars, mtp re-sets the property for the gadget driver (it has to) ... and the thing i just discussed above with sergiusens kicks in while adb respawns
[18:34] <asac> at least something :)
[18:34] <plars> ah, I see
[18:34] <wellsb> Any updates on bug 1213043?
[18:34] <beuno> MDesigner, ubuntu-touch will be the default desktop for 14.10