[12:39] <ScorpKing> maybe i must try #ubuntu as well.
[12:41] <quixogre> ScorpKing: i.e. dd -if=/dev/sda999 -of=/hd.iso \ scp user@host /hd.iso /directory/hd<date>.iso
[12:41] <quixogre> ScorpKing: lol its two lines. if it takes up 1kb ya wrote it wrong
[12:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> large cluster size?
[12:42] <peter__> kann mir einer helfen?
[12:42] <quixogre> Daisuke_Laptop: huh?
[12:43] <ScorpKing> !de
[12:43] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:43] <quixogre> !de | peter__
[12:43] <ubotu> peter__: please see above
[12:43] <quixogre> dammit.
[12:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> quixogre: iunno, just throwing stuff out there
[12:43] <ScorpKing> quixogre: so how do i run 2 lines in one command?
[12:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> ScorpKing: &&
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> first && second
[12:44] <uga> ScorpKing: or foo; bar
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> that works well too
[12:44] <peter__> thx
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[12:44] <uga> the difference being that && will run them simultaneously
[12:44] <quixogre> ScorpKing: hehe several ways. me personally, i'd write a shell script. just make two lines in a flat text file.
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> simultaneously?
[12:44] <uga> Daisuke_Laptop: afaik && run them in parallel, so better use ; ?
[12:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's been the norm, and if it's the recommended way, i dunno if it does parallel
[12:45] <uga> if it does parallel, it can't be the norm
[12:45] <uga> maybe I'm confused... && will check for prev command stderring 0?
[12:45] <quixogre> then, once i had the shell script, i'd kick it off in cron.d make sure that the username is trusted between the two hosts, so no need to enter password
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> uga: that's what i found
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php#multiple
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> if it errors out it won't continue
[12:46] <uga> thanks, I was looking for something like that
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> whereas ; will
[12:46] <sainzeo> quixogre: would you think that the problem with groupwise/kopete deals with the ssl certificate?
[12:46] <uga> yeah, so how was it to run them in parallel...
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm still learning :)
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> err...  & ?
[12:46] <uga> Daisuke_Laptop: I'm still forgetting ;)
[12:46] <uga> I knew all these before :P
[12:46] <sainzeo> quixogre: or would that prevent it from even connecting to the server if that was the case?
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's for backgrounding a task...
[12:47] <uga> Daisuke_Laptop: that works for a single line forking
[12:47] <quixogre> sainz no clue the fact that you can join one, but not create one is perplexing.
[12:47] <uga> but not sure if it can do for multi commands in a single line
[12:47] <sainzeo> quixogre: yeah...hmm
[12:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, i think you're right
[12:47] <intelikey> shell command seperators.     ; & || &&      a ; b   a runs then b runs   a & b   a starts and runs in the background and b runs   a || b   b runs only if a returns exit code -gt 0    a && b    bruns only is a returns exitcode -lt 1
[12:47] <uga> intelikey: cheers
[12:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> !search bashish
[12:48] <ubotu> Found:
[12:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info bashish
[12:49] <ubotu> Package bashish does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> :(
[12:49] <uga> #!/bin/bash
[12:49] <uga> you think it'll parse? =)
[12:49] <intelikey> uga and comands can be grouped   { a & b ; c || d ; } && { e && f || g ; }
[12:49] <uga> intelikey: nice, although I rarely do scripting, now
[12:50] <ScorpKing> for those who don't know. i need to backup my laptop hda1 so there won't be space to store the img before it get's copied to my server. will boot from live cd when doing that..
[12:50] <quixogre> okies all. time for me to go tutor vb programmers *shudders*
[12:50] <ScorpKing> quixogre: good luck
[12:50] <quixogre> its visual basic...i dotn need luck, i need better karma
[12:51] <uga> quixogre: vb6? or vb.net
[12:51] <quixogre> .net programming for dummies
[12:51] <uga> lol, okay
[12:51] <uga> at least it's more sane than vb6 ;)
[12:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> i miss VB 1
[12:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> not much, but kinda, some days, a little
[12:52] <quixogre> hehe laters
[12:54] <yintelike> or any such util  doesn't have to be tar,  and doesn't need to be from a live cd
[12:55] <yintelike> ooops reposting    cause i don't think it got through.     ScorpKing why not just use tar over ssh ?     \   tar -c /dev/hda1 | ssh root@addr tee file.tar >/dev/null
[12:56] <yintelike> could use cat or dd  for the input method   could also use dd for the output methood also.
[12:56] <yintelike> also
[12:56] <Alexander_> hi all
[12:57] <Alexander_>  i need some help here
[12:57] <Alexander_> any one
[12:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ask
[12:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> the lcars terminal is kinda neat
[12:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> geeky, but neat
[12:57] <_2> "all things geeky and troll"
[12:58] <Alexander_> i have dell inspiron 640m laptop ...and i try install kubuntu on it
[12:58] <_2> or was that ...great and small  ?
[12:58] <Alexander_> but there is error
[12:58] <flaccid> !ask
[12:58] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:58] <flaccid> what is the error..
[12:58] <Alexander_> i dont know
[12:59] <Alexander_> it is slow in start
[12:59] <Alexander_> and there is some error maseg
[12:59] <flaccid> that could be normal depending how slow it is and what you regard as slow
[12:59] <Alexander_> no i try it on desktop
[12:59] <Alexander_> its so slow
[01:00] <_2> and how ubuntu'ish your configs are.
[01:00] <Alexander_> the same thing in ubuntu
[01:00] <Alexander_> it ask me to change some files name
[01:00] <flaccid> what is slow? i guess we can't figure out why its slow without a clue
[01:01] <flaccid> what file and what exactly asked you?
[01:01] <Alexander_> it stop a litle minute and after that it ask me change names
[01:01] <Alexander_> video files
[01:02] <Alexander_> some of them have a long name
[01:02] <flaccid> but what is asking you, exactly, you dont know?
[01:02] <Alexander_> something like rename file ....
[01:04] <flaccid> well you can have invalid, too long filenames particularly with fat fs but yeah, im afraid with this info there is no way to work out the cause of your problem
[01:04] <Alexander_> most of linux distr give me problems with that laptop
[01:05] <Alexander_> but its work good on desktop
[01:05] <_2> Alexander_ maybe if english is not your native,  you can ask in a language specific channel ?      that "might" help.
[01:05] <Alexander_> i try that but no body there
[01:06] <_2> ok.
[01:06] <Alexander_> sorry about my bad english
[01:07] <Alexander_> i try linux kubuntu in virtual pc it work good
[01:07] <flaccid> ok then. i would checking top to see if cpu/memory is being chewed
[01:08] <Alexander_> thanks man
[01:09] <Alexander_> i have windows xp too in my laptop
[01:09] <Alexander_> its sucks
[01:11] <dsmith> question: user wrote to me to say that they can no longer delete files/folders. Seems somehow they have a permissions isue?
[01:11] <dsmith> seems that there is a bug flaoting around
[01:11] <_2> dsmith sounds like they issued    sudo konqueror   at some point
[01:12] <dsmith> hows that?
[01:12] <stdin> !kdesu
[01:12] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:12] <Alexander_> most of that files is 3gp
[01:12] <_2> dsmith yeah that bug is the "ubuntu policy on security"   i.e. root jr.
[01:12] <_2> dsmith at any rate.  the simple solution is to "own your home"
[01:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> _2: if you don't like it, don't use it, but it's extremely useful.
[01:13] <dsmith> ok, so what would be my course of action then be?
[01:13] <_2> dsmith i.e.     sudo chown `whoami` -R $HOME
[01:13] <dsmith> hmmm ok
[01:13] <dsmith> i'll try that tomorrow
[01:13] <dsmith> IM like wtf, how can that happen
[01:14] <dsmith> *sratch* the head
[01:14] <darlok> So will Kubuntu Gutsy have Compiz installed/enabled by default?   Basically, will the KDE edition of Gutsy be up to the same level as far as polish and features go for the Gnome release?
[01:14] <dsmith> fairly new install as well
[01:14] <Alexander_> can i install gnome in kubuntu ?
[01:14] <_2> ^> then remembers running sudo "gui app"  and smacks forehead with palm of hand....
[01:15] <emilsedgh> Alexander_: sure you can
[01:15] <_2> Alexander_ you have our permission to do so    yes.
[01:15] <Alexander_> how?
[01:15] <dsmith> lol
[01:15] <_2> Alexander_   sudo apt-get install gnome
[01:15] <ardchoille> darlok: I sure hope not.. if it's enabled by default, that's one of the first things I'll rip out. compiz/beryl is garbage.
[01:16] <_2> Alexander_   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop    if you want the ubuntu defaults
[01:16] <Alexander_> thanks man
[01:16] <dsmith> Alexander_: if you like you could run a virtual image as well
[01:16] <darlok> ardchoille: Okay, well I know it is with Ubuntu.... wondering if Kubuntu is going to include a lot of new features?  Or basically just ride on the tail of Ubuntu as it seems to have been doing.
[01:16] <ardchoille> Alexander_: No, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <_2> i'm with ardchoille  on that darlok
[01:17] <darlok> ardchoille: I love KDE, but Ubuntu has always seemed more secure and innovative to me...
[01:17] <dsmith> I consider ubuntu (gnome) to be more a work type enviroment
[01:17] <ardchoille> darlok: Yeah, I love it too. But I hear that compiz will NOT be enabled by default :)
[01:17] <quixogre> darlok: innovative? gnome? hehe gnomes simplistic
[01:17] <_2> i'm not with ardchoille on insisting that others install ubuntu specific meta packages
[01:17] <ardchoille> _2: :)
[01:18] <darlok> quixogre: I didn't say gnome... I said Ubuntu.
[01:18] <darlok> quixogre: For example... the new printer system, the new X config gui, etc...
[01:18] <quixogre> ubuntu is basically just a debian offshoot. without gnome or kde, its commandline. yer comparing apples and oranges
[01:18] <abraham> hello, hola
[01:19] <darlok> ....Kubuntu never seems to get new features such as those.
[01:19] <newsense07> anyone know of a small easy to configure http proxy server ?
[01:19] <quixogre> kubuntu is nothing more than ubuntu with kde packaged
[01:19] <_2> quixogre ????   "without gnome or kde, its commandline."   what do you mean ?
[01:19] <darlok> quixogre: Okay, I didn't realize this was going to turn into an argument of symantics and definitions....
[01:20] <darlok> quixogre: You're more elite than I am.  Congrats.  Now, does anyone have any kind of serious answer for me at all? lol
[01:21] <_2> darlok i though you got your answer,  three times.   no it won't be default in the next release.      or did you ask something else ?
[01:21] <quixogre> darlok:  sorry, i came in in the middle of the conversation wasnt trying to berate or belittle you
[01:22] <darlok> _2: Oh, no... compiz was just one example.  I also asked about added features in Kubuntu.  For some reason Kubuntu seems to lag far behind Ubuntu in terms of innovation with each release.
[01:22] <CPrompt^> i know this has been covered a million times, but can someone help me mount windows hard drive?
[01:22] <CPrompt^> i can post my fstab if needed...probably do :)
[01:23] <quixogre> CPrompt^: mount  /dev/sda(number of windows partition) /mnt/sda#
[01:23] <_2> darlok yes kubuntu does lag about one release.    have you compaired the two channels ?    #kubuntu  360 users    #ubuntu 947 users     thus i'd say it gnome has more support form our disrto....
[01:24] <darlok> _2: Yeah, I know that... was just curious.  Is there any place on the web that lists the added features of Kubuntu?
[01:24] <darlok> ...for Gutsy, I mean.
[01:24] <quixogre> !gutsy
[01:24] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[01:24] <_2> thus you can expect the developement to focus where the people are.
[01:25] <_2> darlok i think the   ubuntu.com site has a page
[01:25] <nine01a> Sucks because I just switched to KDE from Gnome and I like it a lot better =(
[01:25] <stdin> #ubuntu actually has 1080 users...
[01:25] <CPrompt^> quixogre : "You do not have enough permissions to read"
[01:25] <_2> stdin give it a minute and it will change  :)
[01:25] <darlok> _2: But the Ubuntu page lists features for Ubuntu... not Kubuntu.  And they rarely have the same added features.
[01:25] <stdin> _2: already has 1082 :p
[01:26] <quixogre> CPrompt^: sorry, try adding sudo to the beginning of the command
[01:26] <_2> darlok i still think that there is a page.   stdin can probably tell you where.
[01:26] <CPrompt^> quixogre : i did that anyway.
[01:26] <CPrompt^> quixogre : it mounted to the directory but i can't access it
[01:26] <CPrompt^> it gives me that error
[01:26] <quixogre> still saying not enough permissions?
[01:26] <stdin> CPrompt^: the generall fstab line is  "/dev/sda1  /media/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0000 0 0"
[01:27] <quixogre> try cd /mnt/sda#
[01:27] <avt3kk> hello?
[01:27] <_2> yuch   read write for all with the standard ntfs driver  !
[01:27] <_2> !ntfs-3g
[01:27] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:28] <avt3kk> sorry im late guys we got caught in a jam
[01:28] <quixogre> !hi | avt3kk
[01:28] <ubotu> avt3kk: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:28] <newsense07> anyone know of a small easy to configure http proxy server ?
[01:28] <stdin> darlok: the reason the ubuntu page lists ubuntu features it because it's the ubuntu page,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu has some info on Kubuntu for Gutsy
[01:28] <avt3kk> anyways im ready to install ubuntu ultimate that when I rstart goes to kubuntu and doesnt start lol :)
[01:28] <avt3kk> hi
[01:29] <avt3kk> so im going to just use the whole hd ok?
[01:29] <avt3kk> hard drive
[01:29] <quixogre> avt3kk: you dont want to dual boot?
[01:30] <stdin> avt3kk: "ubuntu ultimate"?
[01:30] <avt3kk> I can bring back my drive clone it has a dualboot already setup then just fixboot fixmbr from 2000 pro repair console
[01:30] <avt3kk> and delete ubuntu
[01:30] <darlok> stdin: That's what I was looking for... thank you.
[01:30] <quixogre> avt3kk: kubuntu comes with grub, which will allow you to boot multiple OSes
[01:31] <avt3kk> ubuntu ultimate has it all but it automaticly updates and all that good stuff it reboots to kubuntu
[01:31] <avt3kk> ubuntu ultimate I want to figure out how to get to work
[01:31] <avt3kk> someone yesterday said
[01:31] <quixogre> i've never heard of ubuntu ultimate....
[01:31] <avt3kk> I have notepad saved
[01:32] <avt3kk> I will pastebin :)
[01:32] <avt3kk> brb
[01:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm curious
[01:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> is MS rebranding vista?
[01:32] <avt3kk> screenshots its a huge page man soo
[01:32] <avt3kk> http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/screenshots.html
[01:33] <avt3kk> ima pastebin
[01:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> This is basically Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and others combinded, along with additional software integraded
[01:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> 1) i don't trust it because they can't spell, and 2) there's nothing there you can't get from the repos
[01:35] <stdin> this "Ultimate" edition is not official and possibly illegal to download/use in some places
[01:36] <stdin> and If you have issues with stock K/Uubuntu, this will almost certainly not fix it
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> stdin: that's a given, since it probably includes all of the non-free codecs by default
[01:36] <stdin> s/Uubuntu/Ubuntu/
[01:36] <PSPJunkie> Hey, has anyone been able to get wifi working with kubuntu on a mac?
[01:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i do NOT like their installation methods :\
[01:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> sudo apt-get install -y --allow-unauthenticated scourge
[01:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> perhaps a new factoid is in order...
[01:38] <quixogre> !wifi | PSPJunkie
[01:38] <ubotu> PSPJunkie: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:39] <avt3kk> Heres the pastebin of my problem of restarting ubuntu ultimate and it trying to start kubuntu and its not starting x11:     http://www.pastebin.org/3589
[01:39] <PSPJunkie> Thanks qiuxogre
[01:39] <NickPresta> Before I forget, how would I diagnose a Suspend/Hibernate problem in Feisty?
[01:39] <NickPresta> !hibernate
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <NickPresta> !suspend
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <avt3kk> I typed that out because printing in UU is so easy from the live dvd
[01:40] <newsense07> !squid
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about squid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <quixogre> avt3kk: hate to break it to ya bro, but ultimate is nothing more than preconfigured kubuntu...THATS why its booting kubuntu
[01:40] <avt3kk> well man I want to get it working please
[01:40] <avt3kk> I like UU man lol
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> don't use it.  it's pretty simple.  that's not going to help your problems, and there's nothing special about it.
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> it isn't supported here
[01:41] <avt3kk> what???? :O
[01:41] <avt3kk> damt
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's not an official ubuntu release
[01:41] <avt3kk> not in ubuntu either
[01:41] <avt3kk> son of a ..
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> you mean you've already asked this in #ubuntu?
[01:41] <avt3kk> yeees
[01:41] <wers> I want to have a nice, clean install of gutsy when it is released.. If I install Gutsy Beta now and just upgrade and upgrade it until the final gutsy is out, will that gutsy be a clean install?
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...
[01:42] <avt3kk> I need help from someone aaaaaaa
[01:42] <avt3kk> send me somewere pls
[01:42] <wers> ot would it still be better if I reformat with a final gutsy cd?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> ubuntu.com
[01:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> go download an official iso
[01:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> then install what you need
[01:42] <avt3kk> what happened to those helpful guys lastnight
[01:42] <avt3kk> brb.-=\
[01:43] <excitatory> avt3kk: beta testing :D
[01:43] <avt3kk> ultimate is beta???
[01:43] <avt3kk> well it sets up the printer
[01:44] <avt3kk> everything installs itself practicly
[01:44] <avt3kk> its so easy
[01:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> ultimate is nothing, non-official, not recognized by the ubuntu team
[01:44] <avt3kk> just a few clicks
[01:44] <quixogre> avt if its so easy, why are you here?
[01:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> probably includes automatix, too
[01:44] <avt3kk> because my video card is radeon saphire x800 lol
[01:44] <quixogre> automatix AND automatix bleeder
[01:44] <avt3kk> and UU wont bootup
[01:45] <avt3kk> it basicly trys to start kubuntu<<<
[01:45] <newsense07> avt3kk: who cares ?
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah jesus
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ubuntu ultimate
[01:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu ultimate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> you should
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> avt3kk: so install an official version
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> as i've said already
[01:45] <newsense07> avt3kk: why dont ya ask in *ubuntu-ultimate
[01:46] <quixogre> http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/
[01:46] <newsense07> im sure their users are as great as their wonderful distro
[01:46] <quixogre> list of all the apps it comes with...
[01:46] <avt3kk> cant find it
[01:47] <avt3kk> ty
[01:47] <avt3kk>  :D
[01:47] <ScorpKing> i have an idea for my backup problem.
[01:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> they shouldn't even be using the ubuntu name for something that poorly put together
[01:48] <avt3kk> Newsense07 thankyou so much :D
[01:48] <quixogre> scorp does it involve duct tape?
[01:48] <ScorpKing> if i sudo chmod o+r /dev/hda1 will i be able to dd to nfs as a normal user?
[01:48] <ScorpKing> quixogre: it might. :D
[01:48] <BluesKaj> avt3kk,
[01:48] <BluesKaj> The latest fglrx driver supports Radeon 9500 and the X-series cards up to X1900.
[01:48] <BluesKaj> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[01:48] <BluesKaj> oops
[01:48] <ardchoille> The handyman's secret weapon
[01:48] <avt3kk> blue thats for me?
[01:49] <avt3kk> at the shop I have ducttape
[01:49] <avt3kk> I use it for everything
[01:49] <BluesKaj> yes avt3kk , ATI new experimental driver 8.41.7 , http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[01:49] <avt3kk>  ;)
[01:50] <ScorpKing> uga: did you give me the link to enable root write for nfs?
[01:51] <quixogre> ScorpKing: yup. was him
[01:51] <BluesKaj> avt3kk,but one thing , don't choose your card choose the Radeon HD 2900 , it will work on your x800
[01:51] <avt3kk> ook ty
[01:51] <ScorpKing> quixogre: do you think my plan will work?
[01:52] <quixogre> lol i take it the scp idea didnt work?
[01:52] <ScorpKing> nope
[01:52] <avt3kk> whats csp?
[01:52] <ScorpKing> or psc for that matter. lol
[01:52] <ardchoille> scp = secure copy
[01:53] <avt3kk> o
[01:53] <ScorpKing> avt3kk: it's ssh copy
[01:53] <avt3kk> im kind of new so whats ssh
[01:53] <ardchoille> !info ssh
[01:53] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[01:53] <avt3kk> ook ic now
[01:53] <galathal1on> where do i find wastebin?
[01:54] <ardchoille> galathal1on: You man !pastebin ?
[01:54] <ardchoille> s/man/mean/
[01:54] <galathal1on> no i mean like trashcan
[01:54] <ardchoille> trash:/
[01:54] <ardchoille> In konqueror ^^
[01:55] <avt3kk> what does .run open with?
[01:55] <avt3kk> wine
[01:55] <stdin> avt3kk: .run is a shell script with an embedded tar file
[01:55] <quixogre> Scor. you have to run dd as root right?pKing: so let me get this straight
[01:55] <galathal1on> ardchoille: cant find it
[01:55] <avt3kk> ya what do I do with it
[01:55] <quixogre> ScorpKing: so let me get this straight.  you have to run dd as root right?
[01:56] <ardchoille> galathal1on: Open konqueror and type this in the location bar:  trash:/
[01:56] <stdin> avt3kk: run it like a shell script "sh filename.run"
[01:56] <ScorpKing> quixogre: yes
[01:56] <avt3kk> ook
[01:56] <galathal1on> ardchoille: thnx :>
[01:56] <ardchoille> :)
[01:56] <ScorpKing> quixogre: the problem is that root can't copy to a nfs mount.
[01:57] <quixogre> but root cant access the nfs drive to read/write right?
[01:57] <ScorpKing> true
[01:57] <quixogre> sorry, slow typer
[01:57] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:57] <ScorpKing> quixogre: install ktouch
[01:57] <ardchoille> galathal1on: Also:   ~/.local/share/Trash
[01:58] <quixogre> okay. how do you plan on kicking off the backup? crontab?
[01:58] <ScorpKing> no
[01:58] <Flare> Everyone:> can't get help here join #shstech
[01:59] <pauloidef> Quando converto o arquivo avi para o formato DVD o som fico com um ruido muito alto, alguem sabe me dizer o que eh
[01:59] <stdin> !br
[01:59] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[01:59] <quixogre> !ES
[01:59] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:59] <ScorpKing> quixogre: i want to boot from a cd and mount the nfs drive. then dd hda1 to it.
[02:00] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: You only have 1 drive bay in that lappy?
[02:00] <ScorpKing> yes
[02:01] <ScorpKing> this 40gig has been smiling at me all day. :)
[02:01] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: Remind me to never buy that model
[02:01] <ScorpKing> lol.
[02:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> what model?
[02:01] <whiskeytango> Im a rocket scientist, in the process of creating a dual boot with windows vista i formatted over windows vista.
[02:01] <quixogre> dd hda1 to the cd? is the cd big enough?
[02:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> whiskeytango: you'll thank yourself.
[02:02] <ScorpKing> quixogre: dvd rom. no writer.
[02:02] <quixogre> whiskeytango: good riddance to bad rubbish now just install kubuntu, and life will be grand
[02:02] <ardchoille> whiskeytango: Congrats, you just made your system better :)
[02:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> i won't even limit him to kubuntu
[02:03] <whiskeytango> How do i tell what version of ubuntu i have?  :P
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> ubuntu and xubuntu work as well
[02:03] <avt3kk> do I install the default options from after just saying yes to start the install process for ATI driver (radeon saphire x800 gto)
[02:03] <avt3kk> sh ati-driver-installer-8.41.7-x86.x86_64.run
[02:03] <whiskeytango> I am using the one off their website.
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> lsb_release -a
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> well you can't install it while x is running
[02:03] <avt3kk> should I click default will I be able to choose hd 2900 later on or what?
[02:03] <ardchoille> avt3kk: The ati drivers are in the repos
[02:04] <whiskeytango> Ubuntu 7.04, that was easy enough
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> ardchoille: apparently the bleeding edge drivers are required in this instance
[02:04] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Laptop: Ah, ok
[02:04] <avt3kk> this is a live dvd
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> you wait huh what?
[02:04] <ardchoille> avt3kk: You realise that all that work will be gone when you reboot, right?
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> are you still using ubuntu ultimate?
[02:05] <avt3kk> sht
[02:05] <avt3kk> UU lol
[02:05] <avt3kk>  :/
[02:05] <avt3kk> trying to find a way man
[02:05] <ScorpKing> quixogre: i think i'll just chmod /dev/hda1 so normal users can read it and then see what happens.
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> no help, sorry.  you're going to cause more problems than you solve with that pos
[02:05] <avt3kk> so I should put my old dualboot back?
[02:06] <quixogre> scorp hehe if it works...
[02:06] <avt3kk> then download kubuntu in xp and burn the cd is there a dvd version of kubuntu??
[02:06] <avt3kk> kubuntu dvd
[02:06] <avt3kk> that has alot of stuff
[02:06] <ScorpKing> quixogre: i'll ask it nicely :D
[02:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> that would be a better solution than using an unofficial version of a good distro that requires you to use -y and --allow_unauthenticated as apt-get arguments :\
[02:06] <ardchoille> avt3kk: There is a dvd version but the repos have the same stuff and a cd doesn't take as long to download
[02:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> just get the cd, and install what you need afterward...
[02:07] <BluesKaj> avt3kk, are you going to install kubuntu , then ?
[02:07] <avt3kk> ya
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> you'll find we get a lot nicer then :)
[02:07] <avt3kk> everyone says UU is a piece of cr@p
[02:07] <BluesKaj> avt3kk, cool
[02:08] <avt3kk> so in kubuntu setting up the printer if it has an ip is realy easy?
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh god yes
[02:08] <avt3kk> how about flash java
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> it uses the same tools
[02:08] <ardchoille> avt3kk: I've seen many people have probs with UU, I've never used it.. I've always just stuck with official kubuntu and never had probs
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> just an apt-get away :)
[02:08] <whiskeytango> Hey, i just remembered what i loved about my putty emulator iat my old job, command prompts are fast as..well..command prompts.
[02:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> putty is the one app i LIKE using in windows (but i just use it to ssh into my home box :D)
[02:09] <avt3kk> well I got to put my drive clone back first
[02:09] <avt3kk> acronis drive image
[02:09] <avt3kk> only thing I trust that junk to do is drive imaging lol
[02:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> that was a good idea
[02:09] <avt3kk> drive cloning
[02:10] <avt3kk> making a partition image with that its always corrupt
[02:10] <whiskeytango> We had a default IBM emulator, but it was terrible so about three weeks after someone was hired they would ask how to get putty since all the other people used it
[02:10] <avt3kk> ty Daisuke :D
[02:10] <ardchoille> avt3kk: Get yourself a copy of http:sysresccd.org , it has partimage on it and that does drive cloning quite well.
[02:11] <avt3kk> think i have that in my cd case
[02:11] <BluesKaj> avt3kk, if you still intend to keep a windows partition , defrag before making and formatting the ext3
[02:12] <avt3kk> I defraged xp pro before installing ubuntu
[02:12] <BluesKaj> good
[02:12] <avt3kk> I also used (drive image 2002) to image both xp and ubuntu lololol
[02:12] <avt3kk> then you got to fix inode error
[02:12] <avt3kk> after restoring the ubuntu image
[02:13] <avt3kk> at least from (drive image 2002)
[02:13] <whiskeytango> ok, well i have to reboot..
[02:13] <avt3kk> its all graphical and realy easy
[02:13] <avt3kk> I made a mini tut ubuntu uploaded in howto
[02:13] <avt3kk> dont laugh at me just yet lol
[02:13] <avt3kk> it sux I show ya
[02:16] <avt3kk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536491
[02:16] <avt3kk>  :/ you can laugh now
[02:16] <avt3kk> ok im going to hookup my other harddrive and boot acronis guys ok?
[02:17] <avt3kk> guys
[02:17] <quixogre> what is automatix?
[02:17] <avt3kk> I dunno
[02:18] <avt3kk> were does it say that?
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> Your brain will thank you if you don't find the answer to that question
[02:18] <quixogre> someone in school recommended it to me...want to find out why before i bother researching it further
[02:18] <Murchadh> !automatix
[02:18] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> quixogre- probably because they hate you
[02:19] <quixogre> Dragnslcr: lol
[02:19] <avt3kk> automatix will break your system hahaha
[02:19] <avt3kk> Quix good thing you asked in here
[02:20] <quixogre> meh brokngs to futz withen systems are fun. if everything worked, i'd run out of thi
[02:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> love that touchpad
[02:20] <avt3kk> welp see you guys later
[02:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> avt3kk: good luck, and hopefully you'll make it back here
[02:20] <quixogre> meh brok systems are fun. if everything worked, i'd run out of things to futz with
[02:20] <avt3kk> im putting my old dualboot back then downloading kubuntu
[02:21] <avt3kk> of course Daisuke_Laptop lol :P
[02:21] <quixogre> fscking touchpad.....
[02:22] <quixogre> bbl. going into bios, and disabling that damn touchpad
[02:28] <rootMoon> hi guys i am On pcLinux OS and  wanna switch to Kubuntu can u help me with aprtitions plz??
[02:29] <rootMoon> hallo!
[02:30] <quixogre> crap. didnt work.
[02:30] <ardchoille> !partition | rootMoon
[02:30] <ubotu> rootMoon: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:30] <Tautoa> Hi
[02:30] <Tautoa> What do you need help with, specifically?
[02:31] <rootMoon> http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1fo6.png
[02:32] <rootMoon> here is the print screen of MY gparted Window .... and i Only need 10gb for Windows backup and thats it
[02:32] <rootMoon> http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1fo6.png
[02:33] <Tautoa> ok, how can we help? :)
[02:33] <rootMoon> how do i delete everything but the ntfs and install Kubuntu on the rest?
[02:35] <Tautoa> You should be able to right-click the partitions from gparted and select 'remove partition' ?
[02:35] <Tautoa> Although you would probably have to unmount it first.
[02:35] <Tautoa> Do you have a Live CD?
[02:35] <rootMoon> yeah
[02:35] <rootMoon> I have Kubuntu and i have PClinuxOS
[02:36] <rootMoon> U mean i have to delete them from Kubuntu live cd right?
[02:37] <ardchoille> rootMoon: You can't manipulate partitions while they're mounted
[02:37] <rootMoon> i dunno
[02:37] <Tautoa> So, to delete the / partition, rootMoon would need to use a Live CD?
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> people are the same way...
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> correct
[02:38] <ardchoille> Tautoa: Yes
[02:38] <rootMoon> I have to USE gparted and mannually delete them right?
[02:39] <ardchoille> rootMoon: Yes, but they must be unmounted first
[02:39] <ardchoille> You can't delete a partition that you are currently in
[02:39] <Tautoa> So, boot to the Kubuntu Live CD, use gparted on the disc to remove all the unwanted partitions (making sure you have a copy of everything you want to keep), make some new partitions, and install Kubuntu
[02:39] <BluesKaj> there is a gparted live cd which is very easy to use
[02:39] <BluesKaj> brb
[02:40] <winbond> check it out, when i execute a start script for firefox from the terminal ./firefox it starts quickly and its ready to go, but when i start it from a shortcut on the desktop, it starts but there is a busy icon bouncing for another 30 seconds, whats the problem?
[02:40] <rootMoon> How do i make new paritions and what size they should be for 74gb hard drive where 10gb is used for windows backup?
[02:42] <Tautoa> You can click on the unallocated space and select 'make partition'
[02:42] <Tautoa> Sizes vary according to your preference, as do partitions, but the swap should be about 1.5 times the amount of RAM, 10-15GB should be comfortable for / (although I've used smaller before), and the rest for /home?
[02:44] <rootMoon> whic h leaves me aboyt with 34gb for home?
[02:46] <rootMoon> ???????
[02:47] <truth> I'm looking for something to convert .avi to mpeg (or some format for dvd) - any recommendations?
[02:47] <ardchoille> rootMoon: Wow, and my $HOME is about 18.2Mb
[02:47] <Tautoa> Depends how much RAM you have, but I think it would leave you with about 45GB?
[02:47] <rootMoon> I have 1gig and i make 2 gig swap
[02:48] <BluesKaj> truth , tovid has both gui and cli versions
[02:48] <slackern> rootMoon: yes
[02:49] <BluesKaj> there's a #tovid support chat as well, right here on freenode
[02:49] <Tautoa> 74Gb drive, with 10GB for backup, 15GB for /, 2GB for swap... leaves 47GB
[02:52] <truth> thanks
[02:53] <rickey> what is the best program to watch dvd movies on the computer with?
[02:53] <rootMoon> VLC
[02:53] <rootMoon> rickey:  VLC
[02:53] <quixogre> !vlc
[02:53] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:54] <rickey> ubotu i have many of those players ,but the dvd wont play
[02:54] <Jucato> !best
[02:54] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[02:55] <quixogre> does divx work on linux?
[02:56] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have a dell latitude d620 laptop and I just followed the ubuntu guide to get wireless to work with ndis wrapper.. So far, so good. Im usinmg knetwork manager to manage wifi, but I cant connect to encrypted networks :( I give in the key and after a few seconds, it just asks me again for the key.. Anybody knows a fix?
[02:56] <quixogre> phoenixz: using broadcom wireless card?
[02:57] <rootMoon> How do i use gparted ON Kubuntu live cd to make 15gb for / 2gb for swap and 47 for /home ??
[02:57] <phoenixz> quixogre, err, think so, let me check
[02:57] <Jucato> rootMoon: there's QtParted on the Live CD
[02:57] <Pitabred> DivX definitely works on Linux
[02:57] <quixogre> Pitabred: thnks
[02:58] <phoenixz> quixogre, yes, Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390
[02:58] <Pitabred> brb
[02:59] <phoenixz> quixogre, that is good? or bad?
[03:02] <quixogre> phoenixz: neither. just a bit of a pain. are you using WPA for security?
[03:02] <brainwrck> hi
[03:02] <quixogre> !hi | brainwrck
[03:02] <ubotu> brainwrck: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:03] <brainwrck> I installed kubuntu to a person and that person is complaing that shitty f00.exe games don't run on linux and wants to change back to m$hit
[03:03] <brainwrck> what can I do?
[03:04] <stdin> wine ?
[03:04] <stdin> !wine
[03:04] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:04] <phoenixz> quixogre, good question.. I got a large ASCAII key.. and now that I try to modprobe ndis wraper again, its not comming up either.. :( let me first fix that..
[03:04] <quixogre> brainwrck: install windows for em. wine doesnt support directX well enough for most high end games
[03:05] <quixogre> honestly, i keep xp on this pc exlusively for games
[03:05] <brainwrck> stdin: by the way these aren't the kewl games for PC but whack free games, prolly spyware/virii/trojan/keylogger ridden type
[03:06] <brainwrck> those that advertise FREE GAME DONWLOAD
[03:06] <quixogre> brain, if they're java based games, they SHOULD work in firefox
[03:06] <brainwrck> mm...
[03:06] <quixogre> otherwise, wine will work
[03:06] <quixogre> but gotta set em up right
[03:06] <stdin> brainwrck: some should still work in wine, or you can just install VMWare/VirtualBox and install windows in that for the games
[03:07] <ardchoille> I just typed "about:plugins" into konqueror's location bar and noticed that my konq web browser can handle window media. Where is it getting the codec/plugin for that? I don't have firefox installed
[03:07] <stdin> brainwrck: and do what I do, say "You want windows? then install it yourself"
[03:07] <brainwrck> may I should let the person go back to m$$ and get it wreck on her own in a heartbeat
[03:07] <rootMoon> IS Linux MINT with codecs INStalled legal  IN USA ??????????
[03:07] <stdin> rootMoon: nope
[03:08] <rootMoon> stdin:  it is illigal ?
[03:08] <brainwrck> I mean somepople bring some computers LITERALLY bent outta shape... then they complain about linux
[03:08] <brainwrck> o_O
[03:08] <brainwrck> I #$%$^ing don't get it
[03:08] <quixogre> lol brain gotta have their freecell, huh?
[03:08] <brainwrck> I am beggining that linux shouldnt become popular
[03:08] <zeroziat> quixogre: Hmm, I am the Wireless problem guy, I don't know where to start with that.
[03:08] <stdin> rootMoon: yep, some of the codecs are illegal in the USA due to patient issues
[03:09] <rootMoon> stdin:  so ppl wh o use it all go to jail and get heavy fines??
[03:09] <stdin> rootMoon: it's possible, yes
[03:09] <quixogre> zero encrypted wireless networks either use wep or wpa. wpa tends to be more windows specific
[03:09] <ardchoille> rootMoon: There aren't enough jails to hold everyone who uses it
[03:09] <stdin> rootMoon: tho they'd have to catch you first
[03:09] <quixogre> zeroziat:  encrypted wireless networks either use wep or wpa. wpa tends to be more windows specific
[03:10] <rootMoon> stdin:  so why won't  they jsut pay 50$ for windows xp home and use it??
[03:10] <rootMoon> 50-$ is not much
[03:10] <quixogre> zeroziat: if yer using wpa, you can still connect, but gotta juggle some stuff a bit
[03:10] <ardchoille> rootMoon: Because Windows is unstable, insecure and, to be honest, garbage
[03:10] <stdin> rootMoon: MS was sewed for including mp3 codes by default, so that doesn't solve it
[03:10] <zeroziat> quixogre: I don't use encryption for my wireless connection.
[03:10] <downandout> hello all
[03:11] <rootMoon> ardchoille:  but u can play games on Windows betetr
[03:11] <brainwrck> quixogre: where did you get that WPA is m$ specific? By the way WEP no longer qulifies as "secure" LOL
[03:11] <downandout> I'm woundering, what filter combo's do you guys suggest for koffice, I'm currently using spambayes and its detection rate is low less then 50%
[03:11] <downandout> I've been using it for sometime now two months or so and i do constant retraining but its still low.
[03:11] <stdin> rootMoon: this channel isn't for discussing the pros and cons of MS Windows
[03:11] <downandout> sorry kontact :)
[03:11] <quixogre> brainwrck: not windows specific, but WPA requires a domain name, like a windows server run network
[03:12] <Hirvinen> zeroziat, quixogre: WEP is a bad joke. Use WPA(-PSK)2.
[03:12] <brainwrck> quixogre: w00t, ridiculous
[03:12] <ardchoille> stdin: Is it illegal to use a codec that handles wmv files?
[03:12] <Hirvinen> And there is nothing MS-specific about WPA.
[03:12] <quixogre> hirvinen, i personally use an unencrypted wireless network at home. but at school use WPA
[03:12] <brainwrck> LMAO@wep bad joke
[03:13] <stdin> ardchoille: unless you have a Windows licence (like the one stuck to most PCs) then it is
[03:13] <zeroziat> quixogre: Mine haves no encryption. =/ So I guess 'll save up less trouble?
[03:13] <ardchoille> stdin: kmplayer-konq-plugins is in main and I think shipped with kubuntu and it handles wmv files as well as a lot of other types
[03:13] <brainwrck> 1:11 < stdin> rootMoon: this channel isn't for discussing the pros and cons of MS Windows
[03:14] <brainwrck> stdin: as far as I know there aren't PROS for m$$
[03:14] <stdin> ardchoille: with the package with the codecs installed
[03:14] <quixogre> zeroziat: yep. just make sure not to send any usernames or passwords across it that arent secure before they leave the pc
[03:14] <stdin> ardchoille: it is just a frontend to mplayer, so it doesn't do the decoding
[03:14] <stdin> ardchoille: and mplayer is in multiverse
[03:14] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, ok
[03:15] <Tautoa> downandout: I just made my own filter... if I get spam, the sender goes on the list, so they can't send me more.
[03:15] <Tautoa> Wouldn't work if you get a lot, but my email is all through Gmail anyways, so that gets most of it :)
[03:15] <zeroziat> quixogre: Alright, so, where do I start, to: Make Kubuntu detect my card, and thus connect to my wireless network?
[03:15] <downandout> does gmail have a good filter?\
[03:16] <quixogre> brainwrck: in order to connect to my wpa2 network at school, i have to include @domainname to the username when im connecting
[03:16] <brainwrck> mm... how do I use tftp?
[03:16] <quixogre> zeroziat: what kind of wireless card?
[03:16] <Tautoa> downandout: as far as I know, yes. The fact that I've only had to manually add 4 senders to the list speaks for itself :)
[03:16] <zeroziat> quixogre: Hodl on, lemme run my Device Manager...
[03:16] <Hirvinen> quixogre, zeroziat: WPA(2) requires an authentication server, but I believe most access points can act as one. WPA-PSK(2) doesn't need one.
[03:16] <phoenixz> quixogre, it might help to move the hw switch for your wifi... :) its on!
[03:17] <brainwrck> how do I spefify tftp to use eth0 instead of eth1?
[03:17] <brainwrck> the connection is on eth0 ATM
[03:17] <phoenixz> quixogre, Ok, I try to connect to the wifi access point, and knetworkmanager is asking for a WEP passphrase, and I have a long line of ascii chars as the passphrase..
[03:17] <phoenixz> quixogre, so how can I make this work?
[03:17] <brainwrck> mm... I am gettin an uneasy feeling as I type this over open wifi connection
[03:18] <quixogre> lol im using a bcm44xx wireless card. cant even get ubuntu to recognize it, much less connect with it through linux, so might not be the best source
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> brainwrck: :)
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: did you follow the official broadcom tutorial?
[03:19] <quixogre> phoenix, speak to the person who set up the network/go to the router/wifi point and create the passphrase
[03:19] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: yup. freezes up on the NDISwrapper install
[03:19] <brainwrck> quixogre: give up, that's what I did with the save driver :-(
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: hmm...od..
[03:20] <phoenixz> so then who can help me with getting my dell latitude d620 broadcom wifi to work with WEP?
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah... broadcoms are a pain... which is why I research my wifi cards ;)
[03:20] <quixogre> nosred, yeah. as of right now, i have to hardwire to get connected.
[03:21] <quixogre> phoenixz: is this a home or work wifi network?
[03:21] <brainwrck> mm.. how can I specify for tftp    to use a specific eht?
[03:21] <brainwrck> quixogre: as I said, give up now before you consume yourself in frustration
[03:22] <ardchoille> lol
[03:22] <brainwrck> quixogre:  I gave up on latitude as well
[03:22] <ardchoille> brainwrck: So, quite while he's behind? lol
[03:22] <zeroziat> quixogre: Win XP tells me it is "Dell TrueMobile 1300 WLAN Mini-PCI Card", manufactured by Broadcom.
[03:23] <brainwrck> quixogre: you can Zydas wireless USB for $24
[03:23] <phoenixz> quixogre, work..
[03:23] <brainwrck> works like a charm
[03:23] <quixogre> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=dell+latitude+d620
[03:24] <zeroziat> quixogre: But the actual box says it's a Belkin 802.11g.
[03:24] <zeroziat> And something more
[03:24] <zeroziat> Freenode.
[03:25] <brainwrck> we just need a wifi company to do like ATI, release their code!!!
[03:25] <zeroziat> lol j/k
[03:25] <brainwrck> w00t we under ATTACK
[03:25] <zeroziat> Belkin 54g Wireless Desktop Network Card
[03:25] <zeroziat> I have actually that.
[03:25] <quixogre> phoenixz: if its a work network, you'll need the passphrase from the sysadmin
[03:25] <brainwrck> * we are
[03:25] <Pitabred> brainwrck: Atheros and Intel chips tend to work pretty well
[03:25] <quixogre> zero, sounds like a broadcom....
[03:25] <zeroziat> It IS a Broadcom.
[03:25] <Pitabred> Broadcom just stinks in general
[03:25] <brainwrck> phoenixz: if it's PCI you can get awsome stuff!!
[03:26] <zeroziat> Although this time I used Ubuntu I got it to run with ndiswrapper or something else.
[03:26] <brainwrck> I meant mini-PCI for laptos
[03:26] <quixogre> zeroziat: sec, lemme find the broadcom wireless link. it MIGHT work for you
[03:26] <brainwrck> mini-PCI are ridiculously cheap
[03:28] <quixogre> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481651&highlight=dell+latitude+120l+wireless for the dell latitude 620 user
[03:28] <phoenixz> brainwrck, what do you mean?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> brainwrck: yeah... I saw a nice RaLink one..
[03:28] <phoenixz> The simple problem is: I want to connect to the WEP protected access point from my work..
[03:28] <phoenixz> I have a key
[03:28] <phoenixz> but when I enter it.. I see it trying to configure, and nothing happens
[03:28] <brainwrck> let me put like this... you MIGHT fix it now but it'll be temporairly until the next kernel update or whatever is not compatible
[03:29] <brainwrck> then you'll be back here "how can I get broadcome to run?"
[03:29] <phoenixz> quixogre, that link is for 120 :) in any case, it says how to set up wireless.. wireless is working okay already, I just can not enter with WEP
[03:30] <brainwrck> phoenixz: if you have a laptop with mini-PCI you can BUY that piece. Since that's mostly self-installation they are the cheapest even more than USB
[03:30] <rootMoon> Gnome Runs faster and more stable then Kubuntu ??????????????
[03:30] <rootMoon> plz tell me???
[03:30] <brainwrck> flamewars
[03:30] <brainwrck> flaimbait
[03:30] <brainwrck> troll?
[03:30] <stdin> rootMoon: no
[03:31] <quixogre> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990&highlight=broadcom+43xx for the person with the belkin/broadcom card
[03:31] <quixogre> phoenix, and then it comes back up and asks for the passphrase again?
[03:31] <zeroziat> quixogre: thx
[03:32] <brainwrck> LOL
[03:32] <brainwrck> what about my question :'(
[03:32] <quixogre> zeroziat: hope that  helps
[03:33] <quixogre> brain?
[03:33] <brainwrck> how do I lock tftp to eth0
[03:33] <brainwrck> I have eth1 using internet
[03:33] <stdin> look in it's config files and man page
[03:33] <brainwrck> but I need tftp to connect through eth0
[03:34] <brainwrck> mm... stdin I don't think that's a Kubuntu solution
[03:34] <stdin> in what way?
[03:34] <brainwrck> isn't *ntu  pose to be user friendly?
[03:35] <brainwrck> Shuttleworth wouldn't be that happy about it
[03:35] <stdin> you're using a ftp daemon, it's settings are in config files, there the solution will lay
[03:35] <ardchoille> brainwrck: It *IS* user-friendly.. that doesn't mean the user shouldn't have to learn something.
[03:35] <uga> brainwrck: if you configured eth0 properly, it possibly covers a different subnet mask?
[03:35] <uga> brainwrck: than internet
[03:36] <uga> depending on the target IP address, packets should be routed through eth0
[03:37] <brainwrck> uga: I was just thinking about that, that the IP is what identifies eth0, right?
[03:38] <uga> afaik, yes
[03:38] <brainwrck> then that was a stupid question
[03:38] <uga> just configure a given static IP to eth0, then a subnet mask like <IP_ADDRESS>, and set the rest of machines in the same range and subnet mask
[03:38] <jordo23> I have spamassassin hooked into Kontact.....is there a way to update the rules or something.....It's not catching very much SPAM....
[03:38] <uga> the packets should be routed through there
[03:38] <brainwrck> awsome I did on my own with nobody having to help me :-)
[03:38] <uga> =)
[03:39] <uga> brainwrck: possibly you could configure some routing tables too, but I've never had the need to do so, so I cant' really tell how-to, without reading through docs
[03:40] <brainwrck> uga: for my purpuse simple IP is anough
[03:40] <jordo23> Jucato: You use Kontact?
[03:40] <uga> brainwrck: I hope the linux stack or whatever is clever enough to figure out it doesn't need to go through eth1...
[03:40] <jordo23> Jucato: Hi....BTW
[03:41] <Jucato> jordo23: hi! and yes
[03:41] <jordo23> Jucato: I installed SPam Assassin....is there a better way to control Spam through Kontact?
[03:41] <Jucato> oh that I don't know... but must be a setting in kmail
[03:41] <Jucato>  I let google do the spam killing for me
[03:42] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah....Kmail....I have Spam assassin hooked into Kmail....but I don't think it's working very well..
[03:42] <ardchoille> Jucato: same
[03:42] <LordBacon> hotmail seems to be really good at killing spam now too
[03:42] <Jucato> I will have to learn these someday.. when I try to host my own stuff :)
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: same :)
[03:42] <Jucato> yeah.. right.... hotmail. :)
[03:43] <jordo23> This is my email through my ISP...
[03:43] <LordBacon> yahoo is horrible
[03:43] <uga> LordBacon: it's so easy for them. That's cheating. They have a whole collection of years of spam in them to have proper statistics ;))
[03:44] <uga> just check e-mails in inboxes of users, of the last 10 years or so. If it matches, it's spam, else it's not
[03:44] <ardchoille> lol
[03:44] <hasan> hi guys
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> hey hasan
[03:44] <ardchoille> hi hasan
[03:44] <hasan> how can i check a programs version  from command line ?
[03:44] <uga> hasan: depends on the program
[03:45] <uga> try programname --hep
[03:45] <hasan> stardict
[03:45] <uga> help
[03:45] <ardchoille> hasan: apt-cache policy appname
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> hasan: yep "<program name> -v"
[03:45] <Jucato> apt-cache madison <packagename>
[03:45] <stdin> hasan: generally  program --version
[03:45] <uga> or program -v...
[03:45] <ardchoille> Jucato: madison?
[03:45] <stdin> some don't have -v
[03:45] <Jucato> depends ont he program :)
[03:45] <Jucato> ardchoille: yep. although policy hits 2 birds w/ 1 command
[03:45] <uga> stdin: yeah, I only pointed that one out, because some don't like -- and go for -v
[03:45] <ardchoille> Jucato: oh, ok
[03:46] <hasan> stardict has a version 3 but i ve got 2.4 how cna i ugrade it ?
[03:46] <stdin> uga: and for some it's -V  who knows  :p
[03:46] <uga> stdin: for example, how not, firefox
[03:46] <brainwrck> do I have to run tftp as user or as root?
[03:46] <hasan> how can i search for this version ?
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> hasan: is version 3 in the repositories?
[03:46] <stdin> uga: firefox --version works here
[03:47] <hasan> i donno
[03:47] <uga> stdin: ah, it seems they accept both. Just docs mention a single dash one
[03:47] <ardchoille> hasan: it's usually best to stick with the version in the repos unless you have a good reason not to
[03:47] <hasan> i web site there is a deb package
[03:47] <stdin> uga: most take "long" options and "short" options
[03:47] <uga> stdin: I think they ignore the first - and then they find -version ;)
[03:47] <hasan> how can i check whether it's in repo or not
[03:47] <ardchoille> hasan: It's not a good idea touse .deb packages that were built for other distros
[03:47] <uga> stdin: no, according to the help, it's "-v or -version"
[03:48] <uga> unlike most programs that claim "-v or --version"
[03:48] <ardchoille> hasan: apt-cache policy stardict
[03:48] <hasan> it says it's for ubuntu
[03:48] <hasan> in his site
[03:48] <hasan> it says 2.4
[03:48] <uga> stdin: but no surprises here. firefox and zilla apps are whole OSes on their own...
[03:48] <ardchoille> hasan: it may be ok then
[03:48] <ardchoille> uga: like emacs?
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> heh
[03:48] <hasan> using deb packages does it affect stabilty of system ?
[03:48] <uga> ardchoille: more or less ;)
[03:49] <stdin> !deb
[03:49] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[03:49] <hungrysam> how to uninstall them
[03:49] <hungrysam> ?
[03:49] <quixogre> hungrysam: uninstall whom?
[03:49] <ardchoille> hungrysam: uninstall what?
[03:49] <hungrysam> uninstall a deb
[03:50] <ardchoille> hungrysam: sudp apt-get remove packagename
[03:50] <hungrysam> and how do you find the packagename?
[03:50] <hasan> or dpkg -i pkg name
[03:50] <stdin> if you installed it, then you should know
[03:50] <quixogre> hungrysam: what app you trying to remove?
[03:50] <hasan> apt-cache search pkname
[03:50] <hungrysam> nero
[03:50] <stdin> eww
[03:51] <ardchoille> lol
[03:51] <stdin> "sudo apt-get --purge remove nero"  maybe?
[03:51] <ardchoille> Seems like it should work
[03:51] <hungrysam> I'll try
[03:52] <stdin> or "sudo apt-get --purge remove nerolinux"
[03:52] <uga> stdin: I'd add --killit --nonfree --broken --nomore --pleaze
[03:52] <hungrysam> ah
[03:52] <stdin> and --forgive-me-for-installing-this
[03:52] <uga> lol
[03:52] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:53] <hungrysam> "sudo apt-get --purge remove nerolinux" << that did it, thanks
[03:53] <quixogre> nero is on linux? and they say linux is immune to virii
[03:53] <hungrysam> ha ha
[03:53] <hungrysam> yeah
[03:53] <hungrysam> it's not on my linux anymore
[03:53] <ardchoille> quixogre: Anyone who says Linux is "immune" to viruses is lying.
[03:53] <uga> hungrysam: did it actually work?
[03:54] <hungrysam> yes
[03:54] <uga> I wonder if they use cdrecord too
[03:54] <stdin> ardchoille: yeah, automatix is the most prevalent one
[03:54] <ardchoille> lol!
[03:54] <quixogre> ardchoille: yeah i know...have seen some pretty trojans packaged in SATAN builds
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[03:54] <uga> hungrysam: oh, so... why did you remove it then. Out of curiosity
[03:54] <phoenixz> quixogre, Yeap,, it tries to connect, and then I get the same WEP pass phrase  thing again
[03:55] <hungrysam> uga: I installed it on accident
[03:55] <uga> heh
[03:55] <quixogre> phoenixz: does your wifi card work on any other connections?
[03:56] <brainwrck> why a DVD would be recognized then never appear again? External usb DVD
[03:56] <brainwrck> wussup with dat?
[03:56] <savetheWorld> ardchoille: I agree, after all the very first intrnet worm was UNIX based.  But i do wonder - I hav nevr even seen an attempted attack by a linux oriented malware, and yet I 10'-K's of Win malware attacks almost daily. (cable modem) are there any active Linux malware in the wild?
[03:56] <rickey> ok i have downloaded vlc and have tryed to play a dvd movie,  it wont play  what do i need to know  to make it work?
[03:57] <quixogre> brainwrck: try mounting it manually?
[03:57] <rickey> sorry i dont know that trick
[03:58] <ardchoille> savetheWorld: PErhaps this may help you a bit: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:58] <brainwrck> quixogre: where is at?
[03:58] <brainwrck> fas
[03:58] <Jucato> "savetheCheerleader, savetheWorld"
[03:58] <quixogre> brainwrck: thats a good question....what happens if you disconnect the drive, and reconnect?
[03:58] <Jucato> sorry couldn't help
[03:58] <winbond> check it out, when i execute a start script for firefox from the terminal ./firefox it starts quickly and its ready to go, but when i start it from a shortcut on the desktop, it starts but there is a busy icon bouncing for another 30 seconds, whats the problem?
[03:58] <ardchoille> Jucato: lol
[03:59] <brainwrck> quixogre: nada zip on dmesg, and it DID work earlier with k3b
[03:59] <ardchoille> winbond: You need a full path in the launcher because the script isn't in your $PATH
[04:00] <rickey> how should i set up vlc so i can watch movies
[04:00] <rickey>  dvd,s that is
[04:00] <ardchoille> stdin: Cleaning house?
[04:00] <stdin> ardchoille: all one person...
[04:00] <Jucato> clearing the trash actually :)
[04:00] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> heh
[04:01] <winbond> ardchoille, full path of what?  ..in the firefox script?
[04:02] <ardchoille> winbond: In the launcher:  /path/to/script
[04:02] <LordBacon> can I install vista fonts on kubuntu?
[04:02] <brainwrck> ok      I see where the error is about
[04:02] <ardchoille> winbond: Actually this would be better:  sh /path/script
[04:02] <LordBacon> I really like calibri and consolas
[04:02] <brainwrck> it thinks it's a MOUSE
[04:02] <brainwrck> why would it think the external DVD is a damn mouse?
[04:02] <winbond> ardchoille, bu launcher , u mean the shortcut?
[04:02] <ardchoille> yes
[04:03] <ardchoille> sorry
[04:03] <savetheWorld> ardchoille: nice article. thanks for the pointer. :-)
[04:03] <ardchoille> savetheWorld: You understand now why Linux viruses aren't more prevalent?
[04:04] <uga> brainwrck: ????
[04:04] <brainwrck> uga: hi
[04:04] <savetheWorld> ardchoille: Oh i have allways understood that, i read rick moens article on it years ago.  My question was how many are there actually active in the wilds of the internet.  The answer appears to be : effectively zero.
[04:04] <brainwrck> why is it doing this?
[04:04] <uga> brainwrck: what did you do to the poor dvd to behave like a mouse =)
[04:05] <uga> must have been cruel
[04:05] <ardchoille> savetheWorld: That's right: Linux active viruses = 0
[04:05] <savetheWorld> ardchoille: I think I may like this article's explanation better than Ricks
[04:05] <brainwrck> [56774.252510]  input: HID 062a:0001 as /class/input/input9
[04:05] <ardchoille> :)
[04:05] <brainwrck> [56774.252576]  input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [HID 062a:0001]  on usb-0000:00:1d.1-2
[04:05] <rickey> i realy would like to watch a movie tonigth , wont someone walk me though this proublem
[04:05] <brainwrck> WHA DA F??!
[04:05] <uga> brainwrck: oh, dmesg?
[04:05] <uga> usb dvd drive?
[04:06] <ardchoille> rickey: Which problem?
[04:06] <brainwrck> uga: external
[04:06] <rickey> ok
[04:06] <uga> brainwrck: it only means it didn't recognise what the device is
[04:06] <rickey>  i have just downloaded vlc player
[04:06] <brainwrck> /class/input/input9 it's nine because unplugging and pluggin
[04:06] <rickey> it was a big download
[04:06] <uga> brainwrck: do you know if the drive is supported by linux?
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> !enter | rickey
[04:06] <rickey>  and i just tryed to play a dvd movie
[04:06] <ubotu> rickey: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:06] <winbond> ardchoille, as the command in the shortcut i have '/home/winbond/appz/firefox/firefox' if i add the sh at fron it doesnt work
[04:06] <rickey>  and it didnt work
[04:06] <brainwrck> uga: did work it's first 30 minuutes
[04:07] <uga> weirdo
[04:07] <brainwrck> uga: it was even displayed on k4b devices
[04:07] <ardchoille> winbond: I don't see a filename (script?) in that command
[04:07] <coreymon77> !doesntwork | rickey
[04:07] <ubotu> rickey: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:07] <rickey> maybe i missed something in the setup
[04:07] <jduckett> anyone try install using debootstrap??
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> lol
[04:08] <ardchoille> rickey: To watch a dvd, you most likely need to install libdvdcss2
[04:08] <quixogre> moving to the lab. disconnecting for a few
[04:08] <ardchoille> !libdvdcss2 | rickey
[04:08] <ubotu> rickey: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:08] <winbond> ardchoille, firefox is the name of the script, sorry but i dont have much experience with linux
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> not for vlc to play it ardchoille
[04:08] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Oh, ok
[04:08] <LordBacon> Seveas doesn't have x64 packages of libdvdcss2
[04:08] <LordBacon> I had to get it from medibuntu
[04:09] <jduckett> anyone have problems installing kubuntu on 64-bit box??
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> jduckett: worked here.
[04:09] <LordBacon> jduckett: nothing I didn't expect
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> installing was fine... its running it
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:09] <jduckett> segmentation faults?
[04:09] <jduckett> dpkg --configure -a??
[04:09] <ardchoille> winbond: This is how I run scripts in a launcher/shortcut:  "sh /path/to/script"  If that's not working for you, then I don't know what to say
[04:09] <LordBacon> I keep getting adept crashes, dunno if that's x64 related
[04:10] <jduckett> me too
[04:10] <jduckett> this is a clean install
[04:10] <LordBacon> I'm more comfortable with apt though, I only use adept for searching
[04:10] <jduckett> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> I use synaptoc
[04:11] <jduckett> can I use apt and synaptec interchangibly??
[04:11] <ardchoille> I use "apt-cache search" :)
[04:11] <LordBacon> I'd rather be using vista
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> jduckett: yep.
[04:11] <uga> stupid firefox won't learn to use $HOME by default...
[04:11] <uga> silly cluttered windows-style desktops...
[04:12] <LordBacon> anyway, dinner time
[04:12] <jduckett> thx
[04:12] <ardchoille> winbond: Any reason you're not using firefox from the repos?
[04:13] <winbond> ardchoille, not , its just that im using firefox3
[04:13] <timur> hi guys
[04:13] <timur> I just installed Kubuntu
[04:13] <winbond> ardchoille, where do i enter the sh..., in the command bracket?
[04:13] <timur> but i dont See my DVD drive
[04:13] <timur> do u know why?>
[04:13] <ardchoille> I'll never understand why people have to have the latest when the version in the repos works fine.
[04:14] <uga> timur: ide/sata/external?
[04:14] <timur> i just installed Kubuntu ??? I loged in with the name that i used during the install ... so now i create what??? user account?
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> timur: no, that account is fine
[04:15] <stdin> timur: what do you mean you don't see the drive?
[04:15] <ardchoille> timur: The account you're using is your user account.
[04:15] <timur> I dont see it in storage media
[04:15] <jduckett> synaptec can be run from the command line, right??
[04:15] <stdin> timur: you have a CD/DVD in the drive ?
[04:16] <ardchoille> jduckett: kdesu synaptic
[04:16] <timur> no
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> timur: pop one in and witness magic :)
[04:16] <stdin> timur: that'd be something to try
[04:16] <timur> oh now i SEE it
[04:17] <timur> So now i just keep using the account i used during the install??
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> timur: yep, unless you want to make an account for someone else
[04:17] <stdin> "automagic" is better :)
[04:17] <ardchoille> Like that one too
[04:18] <stdin> or "automagical"
[04:18] <ardchoille> !sudo | timur
[04:18] <ubotu> timur: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:18] <timur> and i will be able to install firefox and synaptic with taht account ?
[04:18] <ardchoille> timur: You should read that^^
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> timur: via sudo, yes
[04:18] <LordBacon> I used to call autoconf automagic
[04:18] <timur> How about graphicly??
[04:18] <LordBacon> but it was also autocrack
[04:19] <stdin> timur: Kubuntu uses Adept
[04:19] <LordBacon> btw, why doesn't kdesu cache credentials?
[04:19] <stdin> timur: (to install packages)
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> timur: yep, just use adept_manager
[04:19] <stdin> !adept | timur
[04:19] <ubotu> timur: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:19] <ardchoille> LordBacon: I've wondered about that myself
[04:19] <timur> But i can install synaptic also right?
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> timur: sure.
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> timur: you a ubuntu user?
[04:20] <timur> how come when i type  in search  nothing shows up  for skype
[04:20] <stdin> !skype | timur
[04:20] <ubotu> timur: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> timur: skype isn't in the repositories
[04:20] <stdin> skype is evil too ;)
[04:21] <urli_> hola a todos
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> hola urli_
[04:21] <urli_> hay alguien qu ehable espalol
[04:21] <ardchoille> !es
[04:21] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:21] <urli_> como estas
[04:21] <LordBacon> so, I used the "sleep" option on logout today
[04:21] <urli_> de donde sos}
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> urli_: va a #ubuntu-es para espanol
[04:21] <LordBacon> but when I turned the computer back on, it wouldn't turn off the screensaver
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: did your mouse wake up?
[04:21] <hellhound_> in using adept manager... is there any way to install something without entering the cd?  I am trying to install subversion and do not have the cd handy
[04:22] <LordBacon> my mouse did, I don't think my keyboard did
[04:22] <timur> why don't they put IT in ? rep?
[04:22] <LordBacon> I had a pretty GL Fireworks screensaver, and a mouse cursor
[04:22] <stdin> hellhound_: you need to remove the CD from the sources, I think the option is in File -> Manage Repositories
[04:22] <ardchoille> hellhound_: comment out the cd lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> hellhound_: yeah.... get it from the repositories... you might want to remove the apt-crom entry first though
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> timur: because its not open source, and Skype doesn't let them.
[04:24] <hellhound_> stdin: nosrednaekim:  thank you both! it worked.
[04:24] <LordBacon> skype was a pain in the but to get working on 64bit
[04:24] <timur> How do i see my download speed when using adept manager?
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: I succumbed to autodevil for that...
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> timur: I think its on the bottom of the screen, I use synaptic though so...
[04:24] <LordBacon> !autodevil
[04:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autodevil - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: automatix.
[04:25] <LordBacon> !automatix
[04:25] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> and yes, I know all about that... don't worry ;)
[04:26] <timur> I dont see the download speed ..........
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> timur: well, thats why I use synaptic then ;)
[04:26] <PSPJunkie> !codecs
[04:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: I just used it to get the correct debs, I then wiped it.
[04:26] <timur> guys WHo knows how can i see the download speed in ?? AAdept manager??
[04:27] <LordBacon> nosrednaekim: I downloaded libsigc++ manually, extracted with ar x, untarred the real files, and copied the lib to /usr/lib32
[04:27] <ardchoille> What do you need to see the dl speed for? It'll be done when it's done.
[04:27] <timur> i want it !!
[04:27] <ardchoille> lol
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: heh... hence automatix..
[04:27] <timur> i think i will download synaptic then right ?
[04:27] <LordBacon> nosrednaekim: then installed the skype .deb, and downloaded the static version, and overwrote the main binary
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> timur: you can decide
[04:28] <LordBacon> nosrednaekim: I'm old, I don't know your new fangled cheats
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: lol.. not like i'm reccomending automatix.
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: its really really bad if you don't know what you are doing
[04:28] <timur> Guys  I have strange feeling that PClinux os rep. load about 10  times faster  then Kubuntu is taht possible?
[04:28] <ardchoille> LordBacon: Please don't use automatix.. it's dangerous and you'll be back in here later asking for help to fix things.
[04:28] <LordBacon> nosrednaekim: yeah, I'd rather do it myself than use something like that then
[04:29] <timur> i think i get like 600-750kb in pSlinuxOS and get about 56-75kb in Kubuntu
[04:29] <LordBacon> ardchoille: no I wouldn't :)
[04:29] <ardchoille> :)
[04:29] <LordBacon> remember, I'm a newb with 12 years linux experience
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> timur: switch to a different repository.
[04:29] <LordBacon> as well as over a year as a debian maintainer back in the day
[04:29] <ardchoille> LordBacon: That's why I pleaded with you
[04:29] <ardchoille> ;)
[04:29] <timur> how do i di that ? iam from NYC to which one do i swtich?
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> timur: anything closer, its in adept under adept->manage repositories
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> timur: you are probably using the default one which everyone uses
[04:31] <timur> how do i know which one is closer??
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> timur: just choose anything in the US besides the default, I use columbia, which I think is in NYC
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> I'm in south Jersey.
[04:32] <timur> nors so wich one do u use?
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> columbia
[04:32] <LordBacon> don't tell him that, he'll steal all your leet bandwidth
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> haha
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> I don't download anything. dial-up quickly renders such thinngs irrelevant.
[04:32] <urli_> hay alguien que hable espaol
[04:32] <urli_> hay alguien que hable espaol
[04:33] <urli_> hay alguien que hable espaol
[04:33] <urli_> hay alguien que hable espaol
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> !es
[04:33] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:33] <jduckett> I am using kernel 2.6.20-15-server.  anyone know of bad things trying to install kubuntu-desktop??
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> maybe not use the server kernel?
[04:33] <Jucato> !es | urli_
[04:33] <ubotu> urli_: please see above
[04:33] <stdin> jduckett: shouldn't be a problem
[04:34] <jduckett> well, my install is complicated
[04:34] <timur> For example when i click on Amarok icon twice it opens twice .... how do i make it open ONLY once no matter how many times i click on it???
[04:34] <jduckett> everything has been fine until a few days ago
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> timur: ummm.... you can;t really do that very easily
[04:35] <timur> NO i can't ? but every time i click on it i alaways accidently click on it more then once
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> timur: don't.
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> timur: maybe slow down your mouse.
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> eh... I have to go. Long day tomorrow.
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> c ya'll later
[04:36] <knub> nosrednaekim: see ya : P
[04:36] <timur> IS Kubuntu better then GNome??
[04:36] <timur> than ?*
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> !gnome
[04:36] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> !kde
[04:37] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:37] <trpr> so... i just got klined. i think its because konversation replied to a slurry of ctcp version requests i received. how can i force konqueror to ignore these requests?
[04:38] <jduckett> A bit of history:
[04:38] <jduckett> I am using debootstrap to perform installs on multiple boxes.
[04:38] <jduckett> one of them is a remote machine.
[04:39] <jduckett> I am using debootstrap specifically, because, I have to install on a remote box.
[04:39] <jduckett> I am using debootstrap for all of the installs for consistency.
[04:39] <jduckett> Everything is 64-bit.
[04:39] <jduckett> prior Kubuntu-desktop installs have been successful.
[04:39] <jduckett> install failures have been within the past few days or at least that is when I noticed it.
[04:39] <jduckett> Sementation faults and dpkg --configure -a errors
[04:39] <jduckett> do I need to add something to:  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop??  I'm looking for anything 64-bit related
[04:40] <jduckett> it shouldn't matter right??
[04:40] <NickPresta> !enter | jduckett
[04:40] <ubotu> jduckett: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:41] <timur> How do i isntall Nvidia drivers from Synaptic??
[04:41] <ardchoille> !nvidia | timur
[04:41] <ubotu> timur: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:43] <m4st3r> hey, "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is not kernel upgrade CMD?
[04:43] <timur> Yeah but i wanan know how to install them from synaptic ?
[04:44] <ardchoille> timur: Read that tutorial and then decide on the proper packages
[04:44] <ardchoille> m4st3r: It should
[04:45] <m4st3r> I can't 7.10 kernel upgrade .....
[04:45] <Darlok> Hey... is it possible to run programs as root using the LiveCD?
[04:45] <stdin> Darlok: yeah, use sudo or kdesu
[04:45] <Darlok> stdin: No password, then?
[04:46] <stdin> Darlok: there isn't one on the liveCD no
[04:46] <stdin> Darlok: that's how the installer works (needs root to install)
[04:46] <timur> How do i put a storage Media Icon on the desktop and Konsole Icon on the panel??
[04:46] <Darlok> stdin: Thank you :)  Trying out the new Gutsy Beta
[04:47] <JEFFmasterFlex> timur: drag and drop
[04:47] <ardchoille> stdin: How did they do that? By putting NOPASSWD in the sudoers file?
[04:48] <stdin> ardchoille: I think it's just that "ubuntu" has no password
[04:49] <timur> How do i check if I now have Nvidia drivers installed or not??
[04:50] <timur> ?
[04:51] <Darlok> Hmm... this is going to be difficult to make administrative changes on the LiveCD...
[04:51] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, yeah, that would make sense.. need to assign one during the install
[04:52] <ardchoille> timur: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[04:52] <stdin> ardchoille: well, it chroots in to the new partition and runs the normal adduser commands
[04:52] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[04:52] <Darlok> ...can't install software with the LiveCD... thought you could, but it's just hanging at "Reading package lists...0%"
[04:53] <Darlok> ...can't Ctrl-C it either.
[04:53] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to run a Python script that depends on the 'sleep' function in the 'time' module, but every time it tries to import that, Python says there is no 'sleep' function. What am I missing?
[04:53] <LogicalDash> It works fine for all the guys in #python so I'm thinking this is something distro-specific.
[04:54] <timur> i installed it so di needto restart now?
[04:54] <timur> nvidia-glx works for Geforce 2 mx 400 right ? -)))
[04:55] <timur> right?
[04:56] <timur> hallo
[04:56] <ardchoille> timur: You don't need to reboot.. just restart xorg with ctrl+alt+backspace. But, did you follow the rest of that tutorial?
[04:57] <earl_> hey guys. I'm trying to get audio to come in through my microphone port, and out from my speakers. how can i make that happen?
[04:58] <earl_> helloooo anybody out there tonight
[04:58] <ardchoille> yes
[04:59] <earl_> every piece of documentation i look at, or even adept, gives me no response whatsoever when i type in microphone
[04:59] <earl_> and yet the Kmixer applcation has a section devoted to recording
[04:59] <earl_> so what gives
[04:59] <Darlok> Another question... can Kmail check gmail accounts?
[04:59] <ardchoille> Darlok: yes
[05:00] <Jucato> yep. using pop3
[05:00] <stdin> Darlok: set gmail to use pop and any email client can
[05:00] <earl_> noone knows the answer?
[05:00] <earl_> it doesn't seem like it should be that complicated to do...
[05:00] <Darlok> stdin, ardchoille: Wow... I had no idea gmail allowed that lol
[05:00] <Darlok> thanks
[05:01] <ardchoille> Darlok: http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39788
[05:01] <timur> How come i isntalled the driver and can't play open arena??
[05:02] <ardchoille> timur: Open a terminal and do: glxinfo | grep render    <-- does it say "Yes"?
[05:03] <timur> missing on display
[05:05] <ardchoille> timur: Did you reconfigure xorg to use the nvidia driver?
[05:05] <timur> no
[05:05] <timur> how do i do that?
[05:05] <ardchoille> timur: I think you need to go back and follow that tutorial
[05:06] <ardchoille> cuz if you missed that step, you might have missed others
[05:06] <timur> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:07] <timur> What step??
[05:07] <timur> i am confused plz tell me
[05:07] <ardchoille> timur: What have you done so far?
[05:08] <timur> I installed nvidia-glx
[05:09] <ardchoille> timur: Open a terminal and do: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:10] <timur> ok then?
[05:10] <timur> restart ?
[05:10] <level1> hi, I'm using knetworkmanager but my college dorm uses a cloaked and encrypted network... knetworkmanager keeps forgetting about the network (there are different routers in every building) so I half to reenter the password every time I connect to the internet, and its getting tedious... is there a way to get knetworkmanager to *always* suggest that network, even if its not detected?
[05:12] <LordBacon> is there a way to backup my install to a external HD?
[05:12] <LordBacon> I don't want to dd, because that will get all the empty space as well
[05:12] <ardchoille> LordBacon: Try using the partimage app on the system rescue cd: http://sysresccd.org
[05:12] <LordBacon> I don't have any blank cds
[05:13] <ardchoille> LordBacon: partimage will only copy the used portion of the partition, not the entire thing
[05:13] <ardchoille> oh
[05:14] <brainwrck> hi
[05:14] <Daskreech> LordBacon: What do you want to backup ?
[05:14] <LordBacon> meh, I could probably boot the livedvd and just tar the system
[05:14] <brainwrck> wuuuuuurup everybodyyy?
[05:15] <LordBacon> Daskreech: the entire system so I can either A> put it in a VM, or B> restore it after I redo stuff with windows
[05:15] <level1> LordBacon: theres lots of utilities to do that
[05:15] <Daskreech> LordBacon: Why don't you just backup Home and then make a list of your installed packages?
[05:16] <LordBacon> Daskreech: because copying to an external HD is faster than installing gutsy from scratch
[05:16] <Daskreech> I guess
[05:17] <zeroziat> Hey.
[05:17] <zeroziat> How do I make Kubuntu see my Hard Drive)
[05:17] <Daskreech> zeroziat: It probably does already
[05:17] <zeroziat> Well
[05:18] <zeroziat> I c't access it
[05:18] <zeroziat> I go to /media and it doesn't show up
[05:18] <Daskreech> Ah
[05:18] <Daskreech> zeroziat: You could mount it
[05:18] <winbond> does anyone use safepeer plugin with azureus?
[05:18] <Daskreech> What do you want to do with it?
[05:19] <zeroziat> Daskreech: How?
[05:19] <ubuntu--> Daskreech: hi! :P that's 'knub' here
[05:19] <Daskreech> zeroziat: You want to just do somethign quickly or you want a more permanent setup?
[05:19] <Daskreech> Knub!!!
[05:20] <ubuntu--> : ) horray!
[05:20] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Well, something quickly, although I don't have Kubuntu installed yet
[05:20] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ok open a konsole
[05:20] <zeroziat> Daskreech: I wanna test first if my Wifi card will work since it's a broadcom and I heard it's very difficult to make them run even though I made mine run months ago on Ubuntu
[05:21] <Daskreech> zeroziat: Yeah I did to on feisty and it broke on gutsy :(
[05:22] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ok man go to it :) Let me know when you want help with the hard drive
[05:22] <Daskreech> !wifi
[05:22] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:22] <Daskreech> ubuntu--: How are you?
[05:22] <zeroziat> Daskreech: I have files in my hard drive to make my Wifi work, i'm on Windows XP
[05:23] <zeroziat> And my Kubuntu won't detect my Hard Drive in Kubuntu
[05:23] <Daskreech> zeroziat: Ah
[05:23] <Daskreech> I see so you need the hard drive first
[05:23] <ryhim> hi all
[05:23] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Yup.
[05:24] <ubuntu_> HOLYY shit I installed Nvidia Drivers now my system would not boot
[05:24] <Daskreech> zeroziat: so you have that konsole open?
[05:24] <Daskreech> !ohmy | ubuntu_
[05:24] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:24] <ryhim> after install bind9 i can't find named.conf.options, named.conf, and named.conf.local under /etc/bind/
[05:24] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Can't I'm on Windows XP, so I'll have to note instructions down
[05:24] <ubuntu_> plz help me
[05:24] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ooooh that's annoying :)
[05:24] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Lol, yeah
[05:24] <ubuntu_> ?
[05:25] <Daskreech> zeroziat: OK open konsole and type mkdir windows
[05:25] <ubuntu_> what do i dp?
[05:25] <Daskreech> that will make a directory called windows
[05:25] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Yeah, I know the basics, I'm talking through irssi on a shell account
[05:25] <ryhim> anyone can help me?
[05:26] <ubuntu_> my system wont boot after installing Nv drivers so what do I do?????
[05:26] <ryhim> i've a problem after installing bind9
[05:26] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ok you know about the /dev folder?
[05:26] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: boot up with safe drivers and redo your X
[05:27] <zeroziat> Daskreech: A bit, I know it haves something about hda since I inspected it, so yeah
[05:27] <ubuntu_> what command i do to but up in safe drivers?
[05:27] <Daskreech> zeroziat: Ok you know how to read the hda and sdb stuff?
[05:27] <ubuntu_> safe mode
[05:27] <zeroziat> Daskreech: That's one of the parts that fail for me, I dunno
[05:28] <ubuntu_> How do I make it run into safe mode???????
[05:28] <npurciful> hows it going
[05:29] <ubuntu_> how do i make Kubuntu run into graphics safe mode upon startup ?
[05:29] <ubuntu_> ?
[05:30] <npurciful> I am looking to clean my .bashhistory any ideals other than cron to delete
[05:30] <XsteelWolf> ubuntu, boot it into recovery mode
[05:30] <ubuntu_> how do i boot into recovery mode???????
[05:30] <npurciful> esc at grub
[05:30] <XsteelWolf> it's listed there when you boot up
[05:30] <ubuntu_> no it does not
[05:31] <ubuntu_> for me it does not.
[05:31] <XsteelWolf> boot to grub bootloader
[05:31] <ubuntu_> how what?
[05:31] <ubuntu_> more specific plz
[05:31] <zeroziat> Daskreech: You there?
[05:32] <ubuntu_> when MY pc starts ubuntu loads it asks for my account and password then black screen and command line
[05:32] <ubuntu--> Daskreech: i am ok : )
[05:32] <Daskreech> zeroziat: yes
[05:32] <ubuntu--> i did not see the message before
[05:33] <zeroziat> Daskreech: KK
[05:33] <ubuntu--> Daskreech: and you? : P
[05:33] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ok the first two letters are the connections tyoe
[05:33] <Daskreech> so hd is for IDE devices
[05:33] <Daskreech>  SD for sata
[05:33] <ubuntu_> ??? so what do I do???
[05:33] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Okay
[05:34] <ubuntu_> hallo
[05:35] <Daskreech> the third letter is where it is in the chain
[05:35] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: have you ever read up on grub?
[05:35] <zeroziat> Daskreech: May we bring this to PMs? It looks a bit difficult to do this =p
[05:35] <ubuntu_> no
[05:35] <Daskreech> zeroziat: so hda is the first device on the IDE chain hdb is the second
[05:36] <ardchoille> npurciful: You could: echo "" >> ~/.bash_history
[05:36] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: Ok look up editing grub. the option you are looking to add is xforcevesa
[05:36] <ryhim> test
[05:36] <ryhim> i've a problem after installing bind9
[05:36] <ryhim> after install bind9 i can't find named.conf.options, named.conf, and named.conf.local under /etc/bind/
[05:36] <Daskreech> ryhim: can't you create them?
[05:38] <Daskreech> zeroziat: you know about master/slave primary/secondary channel for IDE?
[05:38] <ubuntu--> Daskreech: how about you? :P
[05:38] <npurciful> ardchoille: good idea,
[05:38] <Daskreech> ubuntu--: rushed for the whole of this week
[05:38] <Daskreech> I don't think I got very much done
[05:38] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Not that much, do I really need it? 'cause I have only one hard drive
[05:38] <ubuntu_> what i don't undertand where to look up can u plz give me a link???????
[05:39] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: do you know the grub menu?
[05:39] <ubuntu_> NO
[05:39] <ubuntu_> i dont even know what are u talking about
[05:39] <Daskreech> zeroziat: oh great. do you know about tab completion?
[05:39] <ubuntu_> My system boots right iNTo COmmand liNE
[05:39] <mindcry> hello
[05:39] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: when you boot up Linux the first thing you see after the Bios is a countdown saying to show GRUB menu press esc ?
[05:40] <ubuntu-knub> Daskreech: you really are good at concentrating in very much chats simultaneously :P hehe
[05:40] <zeroziat> Daskreech: The thing where you press tab and it brings you to the closest thing you typed in? =)
[05:40] <mindcry> Daskreech: i have problem with my connection
[05:40] <ubuntu_> yes but i see nothing there just the black screen
[05:40] <Daskreech> ubuntu-knub: Yeah yeah :)
[05:40] <Daskreech> zeroziat: yes
[05:40] <Daskreech> mindcry: What kind of connection
[05:40] <zeroziat> ubuntu-knub: Lol, you are right, we are like 5 guys talking to him at the same time
[05:40] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: Ok want to login there and get direct help?
[05:40] <mindcry> bluetooth dialup connection Daskreech
[05:40] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: you have net?
[05:40] <Daskreech> mindcry: Eek
[05:40] <Daskreech> mindcry: the bluetooth works fine?
[05:41] <mindcry> i can connect to irc with it
[05:41] <ubuntu_> I am on live cd right now
[05:41] <mindcry> ahhaha its a progresss
[05:41] <mindcry> yes
[05:41] <mindcry> :D
[05:41] <mindcry> thanks for you all
[05:41] <mindcry> but,
[05:41] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: I figured
[05:41] <ubuntu-knub> zeroziat: hehe yes
[05:41] <ubuntu_> MY kde wont boot just the black screen and command  line
[05:41] <mindcry> i still get problem on browsing web page and other
[05:41] <ubuntu_> how do i boot into vesa??
[05:41] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: Listen to me for a second and you can log in to here from the command line ok?
[05:41] <Daskreech> mindcry: Hmm
[05:42] <ubuntu_> ok
[05:42] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Alright, Tab completion...
[05:42] <mindcry> and my irc sometimes get disconnected after 3 mins
[05:42] <ncs> i've a problem after installing bind9
[05:42] <ncs> after install bind9 i can't find named.conf.options, named.conf, and named.conf.local under /etc/bind/
[05:42] <ncs> how to fix it?
[05:42] <mindcry> it seems idle hang up
[05:42] <Daskreech> zeroziat: Right so after you make a directory type sudo /dev/hd<tab><tab>
[05:42] <Daskreech> mindcry: I'm not too sure. this is from a cell phone?
[05:43] <mindcry> yes
[05:43] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: ok when you boot up you will see a note about he grub menu press Esc
[05:43] <ubuntu-knub> zeroziat: and, evenmore, helping people here :P
[05:43] <ncs> ?
[05:43] <mindcry> correct
[05:43] <ubuntu_> ok
[05:43] <ubuntu_> then
[05:43] <Daskreech> ubuntu-knub: what have you been up to?
[05:43] <zeroziat> ubuntu-knub: xD Yup.
[05:43] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: you will get a menu
[05:43] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: one of them should say recovery
[05:43] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: You can choose that one
[05:44] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Okay, so... mkdir windows, sudo /dev/hd<tab>x2
[05:44] <Daskreech> zeroziat: Oh how many paritions do you have?
[05:44] <ubuntu-knub> ah... that meant what "what do you do?" or something like that?
[05:44] <ubuntu_> ok thats it?
[05:44] <ubuntu-knub> Daskreech:
[05:44] <ubuntu-knub> hehe
[05:44] <zeroziat> Daskreech: I have two partitions
[05:44] <ubuntu_> should i do it right now?
[05:44] <Daskreech> mindcry: Did you read the dialup help?
[05:44] <mindcry> Daskreech: i cant browse anything yet haha
[05:45] <mindcry> yes
[05:45] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: if you don't see a recovery then press e on the menu
[05:45] <mindcry> i read them
[05:45] <Daskreech> mindcry: no help I'm guessing?
[05:45] <ubuntu-knub> Daskreech: ah... that means what "what do i do etc.?" or something like that?
[05:45] <ubuntu_> On what MENU??
[05:45] <Daskreech> zeroziat: Windows and what?
[05:45] <mindcry> there is nothing about hang up after idling section
[05:45] <Daskreech> ubuntu-knub: how was your day is what it meant
[05:45] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: when you boot up you get a BIOS screen right?>
[05:45] <mindcry> after 3 mins of idle it seems automatic disconnect ( konversation )
[05:46] <zeroziat> Daskreech: One partition is windows, the other one is an NTFS one with some files I used for backing up for a reformat, I may use that partition for Kubuntu
[05:46] <mindcry> !dialup
[05:46] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:46] <ubuntu_> yes
[05:46] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ah ok in that case it's probably sudo mount /dev/hd(something)1
[05:46] <ubuntu_> but how does that relates to linux?
[05:46] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: right after that do you see any messages?
[05:46] <ubuntu_> no....
[05:46] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: or does it go straight to the loading screen?
[05:47] <ubuntu-knub> Daskreech: i was close in my guessing :P i've done a test today. it was the end of the test-week for me. -- and your busy week, what it was about?
[05:47] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: well then at the Bios sceen start mashing on ESC :0
[05:47] <zeroziat> Daskreech: So in little resume it's mkdir windows, sudo mount /dev/h#1 ?
[05:47] <Daskreech> ubuntu-knub: clients all having september crisis
[05:47] <Daskreech> zeroziat: nope sudo mount /dev/hd<tab><tab>
[05:47] <Daskreech> You will get a list of file names
[05:48] <ubuntu_> it goes balck screen grub couning down  4 3 2 1  black screen enter your name password ,, then i am loged on into KDE balck screen command line
[05:48] <Daskreech> you want the one that has two numbers
[05:48] <zeroziat> Daskreech: And then that's all?
[05:48] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: yes the black screen counting down that's grub
[05:48] <Daskreech> press esc when you see that and choose recovery
[05:48] <ubuntu_> i preess esc  right?
[05:48] <knub> Daskreech: and what's the definition of this?
[05:48] <ncs> T_T
[05:49] <Daskreech> zeroziat: look for a set of file names that have two numbers
[05:49] <ncs> any can help me
[05:49] <Daskreech>  So liike hda1 and hda2
[05:49] <ubuntu_> so i  try it rigth now
[05:49] <ubuntu_> yes?
[05:49] <Daskreech> zeroziat: the full command will be like sudo mount /dev/hda1 windows
[05:49] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: yes if you get in you can type sudo apt-get install irssi
[05:49] <Mr_Sonoma> ncs, you have to ask a question if your going to get help....
[05:50] <ncs> i've a problem after installing bind9
[05:50] <ncs> after install bind9 i can't find named.conf.options, named.conf, and named.conf.local under /etc/bind/
[05:50] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: when it's done type irssi -c irc.freenode.net  and you can join back here
[05:50] <ncs> how to fix it?
[05:50] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: YOu know how to join a channel?
[05:50] <ncs> Mr_Sonoma: how to fix it?
[05:50] <Daskreech> zeroziat: does that make sense?
[05:50] <mindcry> Mr_Sonoma: ?
[05:50] <mindcry> are you here?
[05:50] <Mr_Sonoma> uh hu
[05:51] <zeroziat> Daskreech: Yup, thanks man
[05:51] <mindcry> hahahha
[05:51] <Mr_Sonoma> mindcry, and your away on dal.net
[05:51] <zeroziat> Daskreech: I'll go try it
[05:51] <mindcry> glad to see you here sir
[05:51] <ncs> T_T
[05:51] <mindcry> :D
[05:51] <mindcry> yes
[05:51] <Daskreech> zeroziat: ok don't forget to make the directory then mount the drive to it
[05:51] <Mr_Sonoma> mindcry, i idle here a lot, but do watch the channel.
[05:51] <Daskreech> ncs: Is is  supposed to install those?
[05:51] <Mr_Sonoma> ncs, sorry cant say as i have ever used bind9
[05:51] <ncs> oh i c
[05:52] <mindcry> Mr_Sonoma:  are you using kubuntu?
[05:52] <Daskreech> knub: definition of ?
[05:52] <Mr_Sonoma> mindcry, join #kubuntu-offtopic??
[05:52] <Daskreech> ncs: I guess you are following some walkthrough ?
[05:52] <ncs> how if i create those files manually?
[05:52] <knub> Daskreech: september crisis :P
[05:52] <ncs> is it ok?
[05:53] <mindcry> im already there
[05:53] <mindcry> :D
[05:53] <mindcry> Mr_Sonoma: im already there
[05:53] <LordBacon> my god this USB controller is fast
[05:54] <Mr_Sonoma> mindcry, uh dont see ya, but yes i am using Kubuntu have been for uh....nearly a year i guess now.
[05:54] <Daskreech> knub: Oh when they reach the end of the finacial year and suddenly remember commitments and we get called in to do 4 months worht of work in 12 days
[05:54] <mindcry> well can i private msg on you?
[05:54] <Daskreech> ncs: It's fine
[05:55] <Mr_Sonoma> yes go ahead
[05:55] <biovore> oO
[05:55] <tiger_> Hi all, Gutsy question, hopefully this is the right place ! Fn keys for brightness are not working while brightness applets do work. It seems something related to acpi_fakekey command. Any idea ?
[05:55] <Daskreech> mindcry: thanks for asking him first :0
[05:55] <Daskreech> !gutsy | tiger_
[05:55] <ubotu> tiger_: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:55] <mindcry> Mr_Sonoma:  can i have a private msg with you?
[05:55] <Mr_Sonoma> mindcry, yes go ahead
[05:55] <knub> Daskreech: what do you work with, man?
[05:55] <Daskreech> knub: Linux :)
[05:56] <knub> hhehe
[05:56] <jamie_> ji
[05:56] <jamie_> hi
[05:58] <LordBacon> I just did a cp -a of my real system to a ext2 partition on the external hd
[05:58] <Mr_Sonoma> mindcry, do you see my message?
[05:58] <Daskreech> !grub
[05:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:58] <LordBacon> proc, etc weren't mounted of course
[05:59] <Arkard> Sup people?
[06:00] <Arkard> who here used Cedega?
[06:00] <Daskreech> ncs: hello?
[06:01] <mindcry> Mr_Sonoma:  i think i cant get into privmsg
[06:01] <mindcry> :D
[06:01] <mindcry> its ok talk in here
[06:01] <Mr_Sonoma> uh do you have your nick registered???
[06:02] <Daskreech> Just joing O-t
[06:02] <Daskreech> !offtopic
[06:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:02] <knub> Daskreech: what do you think about kde4? -- i don't understand the subject when it gets to the programmations, so :P i am just putting you to say a word about it
[06:03] <Daskreech> knub: What do you want to know?
[06:03] <knub> don't really want to know something specific. just your enthusiams (if there is any) about the subject
[06:03] <knub> :P hehe
[06:03] <Daskreech> Oh Loads!!!
[06:04] <knub> heehe i am waiting it too
[06:05] <Daskreech> Yeah 4.1 is where it's going to start though
[06:05] <Daskreech> 4.0 is like a really nice beta :)
[06:07] <winbond> where are the default desktop backgrounds located?
[06:08] <Daskreech>  /usr/share/kde/....mumbles as he walks off
[06:09] <winbond> thanks
[06:09] <shonen> I need to get my ntfs RAID-0 working under kubuntu feisty, but dmraid appears to be a game when I search for it in adept. is there a way to get this working I am not aware of?
[06:09] <juacom04> anyone knows wher i can find UML plugin for eclipse??
[06:10] <Daskreech> !info dmraid
[06:10] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0.rc13-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 180 kB, installed size 612 kB
[06:10] <Daskreech> shonen: it's in universe
[06:10] <Daskreech> juacom04: maybe #eclipse ?
[06:11] <juacom04> thanks
[06:11] <knub> Daskreech: really? 4.0 will get a 'time of adjustments', so that's why you're saying 4.1 will be the one where it's going to start?
[06:11] <shonen> ah! I did not notice that "all" tab over there. thanks, Daskreech
[06:13] <Daskreech> knub: no but a lot of things aren't ready for when KDE4.0 ships
[06:13] <Daskreech> shonen: you are using debtags ?
[06:14] <Daskreech> knub: KDE4 != KDE 4.0
[06:15] <knub> i see :P anyway, we wait. i would contribute if i could. maybe someday i will be up to it
[06:15] <knub> ?
[06:15] <knub> no?
[06:15] <shonen> debstags?
[06:16] <shonen> tags*?
[06:17] <Daskreech> shonen: Which all tab?
[06:17] <Daskreech> knub: who says you can't contribute?
[06:17] <Daskreech> they lie! Liiiiiiiiiiiiiie
[06:17] <knub> isn't kde4 (or kde 4.0, which it was the same to me) the next version of kde, which is scheduled to go somewhen in december (if the schedule does not change)?
[06:17] <knub> heheh
[06:18] <knub> contribute with programming i can not at the moment :P
[06:18] <knub> hehe
[06:18] <stdin> KDE 3.5.8 should be out before KDE 4.0
[06:19] <knub> stdin: and 3.5.8 is what is called kde4, which different from kde 4.0?
[06:20] <stdin> knub: no, 3.5.8 is not KDE4, it's another release of KDE3.x
[06:20] <knub> so, what is kde4, if kde4 is different from kde 4.0?
[06:21] <Daskreech> knub: There is KDE3
[06:21] <Daskreech> Which is all of KDE3
[06:21] <LordBacon> kde4 is beautiful
[06:21] <knub> hehe which i thought was the same
[06:21] <Daskreech> KDE3.0 is NOT KDE3
[06:21] <knub> i see
[06:21] <stdin> KDE4 is the general name for all KDE version 4 and above
[06:21] <knub> eheh
[06:21] <Daskreech> So things that they promised for KDE3 may have came about in KDE3.2
[06:21] <stdin> well 4 and above but less than 5 :p
[06:21] <knub> i understand now. :P
[06:21] <CaptainApathy> kd4 = kde where the major version is 4
[06:21] <knub> hehhe
[06:22] <Daskreech> that doesn't mean that when KDE 4.0 comes out you shoudl start crying that they are liars they don't have X feature
[06:22] <CaptainApathy> except I missed the e...
[06:22] <CaptainApathy> meh
[06:22] <knub> CaptainApathy: :P heheh
[06:22] <knub> Daskreech: now i get it. thank you for the explanation
[06:22] <knub> :P
[06:22] <Daskreech> knub: right and who said you can't help?
[06:23] <knub> with programming i can not, right now :P
[06:23] <mpita> hola
[06:23] <knub> i meant programming while i said i could not. but in which other ways i could?
[06:23] <Daskreech> knub: KDE is much more than programming
[06:23] <Daskreech> Oh loads of ways
[06:23] <Daskreech> there is documentation there is promotion
[06:23] <Daskreech> usabilty
[06:24] <Daskreech> testing
[06:24] <mpita> primera vez que estoy aqui alguien habala espaol
[06:24] <stdin> feedback
[06:24] <Daskreech> triaging
[06:24] <stdin> !es | mpita
[06:24] <ubotu> mpita: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:25] <conundrum4000> I may have a dumb question. I just downloaded Kubuntu 7.10 beta, and I was attempting to install compiz-fusion.. however its not working :P
[06:25] <knub> at least with the promotion i contribute :P i really says good things about kde (and linux) when i have the chance in a conversation etc. -- about usability and testing, yes, you are right. it is really a way to contribute
[06:25] <knub> some translation i could do too
[06:26] <Mr_Sonoma> if i wanted to run a DNS lookup from comand line what command would i use??? i've done it before but for the life of me cant remember....
[06:26] <Daskreech> conundrum4000: I think #ubuntu-effects is the chan for compiz-fusion
[06:26] <Daskreech> knub: To what language?
[06:26] <knub> i will apply somewhere in kde page :P "hey! if you need me, mail me!" -- it's one more to contribute, isn't? hehe
[06:26] <knub> portuguese
[06:26] <conundrum4000> whois?
[06:27] <Daskreech> knub: you can do that in #kde
[06:27] <shonen> Daskreech, I was referring to the tab in adept I had to click to get it to search all repositories. dmraid is installed now, however, now I can't recall how to get the thing to mount
[06:27] <Daskreech> knub: ha ha portugese people love KDE for some reason. It's always like 99% translated
[06:27] <ether> has anyone else upgraded to gutsy yet?
[06:27] <conundrum4000> Dask: thanks :)
[06:28] <knub> hehe is it? i didn't know
[06:28] <Daskreech> ether: issues are still discussed in #ubuntu+1 though
[06:28] <ether> ah..
[06:28] <ether> thx
[06:28] <Daskreech> knub: http://commit-digest.org/issues/latest
[06:28] <Daskreech> they have a section for translation
[06:28] <Daskreech> Portugese is number two if its not number one
[06:28] <Daskreech>  and it's always number one
[06:29] <npurciful> ether: be runing gutsy seen alpha 5
[06:29] <ether> I'm definately going to do a fresh install when it's released.
[06:29] <shonen> ok, i just figured that out too. thanks for your help, though
[06:30] <knub> Daskreech: do you see a lot of portuguese speakers here? -- but it would be hard to tell since almost just english it used here hehe
[06:30] <Daskreech> !br
[06:30] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[06:30] <Daskreech> Heehee
[06:30] <knub> heheehe nice!
[06:35] <Daskreech> Yep :)
[06:35] <Daskreech> But No KDE4 for Kubuntu for a while
[06:36] <Daskreech> So when you first upgrade into a KDE4 desktop it will probably be KDE 4.1 so I'll be happy
[06:36] <knub> 'cos you won't have to be answering lots of questions and solving problems?
[06:36] <knub> hehe
[06:37] <Daskreech> Naw I'll be doing that till they cover me with dirt
[06:37] <knub> "have" -- i meant, you won't be asked a lots of questions here
[06:38] <knub> and debian? maybe will they put it in the unstable repos?
[06:39] <knub> Daskreech: very helping of yours! that's really nice :)
[06:40] <Daskreech> knub: It's there already
[06:40] <knub> i saw it in the experimental
[06:40] <Daskreech> Yeah
[06:41] <Daskreech> Oh right. I lose track of what's stable unstable and ownright kkoky
[06:42] <Daskreech> downright kooky :)
[06:42] <knub> so, won't they change to 4.0 when it's released? -- by the way, that's a good doubt. when distros-etc. change when this change is like this one? -- about gnome, i saw in gnome page: 2.20 released
[06:42] <knub> but gnome package in debian unstable says 2.18.something
[06:43] <knub> change as soon as the version is released wouldn't be the thing to do?
[06:45] <knub> :P i think it is just orders and stability. hhehe but i don't know exactly what they are too, the stable, testing, unstable and experimental repos in debian
[06:45] <Tm_T> knub: KDE4 is and will be available in Kubuntu, but not as default too soon
[06:46] <kristjan_> I can't make kubuntu login screen make display user custom images, what's the matter?
[09:28] (avt3kk/#kubuntu) whats the partition thing called
[09:28] (avt3kk/#kubuntu) in ubuntu
[09:28] (avt3kk/#kubuntu) dapper
[09:28] (avt3kk/#kubuntu) I want to see them all at once
[09:28] (stdin/#kubuntu) rabi: it will install kubuntu, but adept should let you update, no need for update-manager
[09:28] <rabi> how to update using adept?
[09:29] <stdin> rabi: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu
[09:29] <rabi> stdin: Thank you.
[09:33] <avt3kk> heres the screenshot
[09:33] <avt3kk> http://rapidshare.com/files/58796440/Screenshot.png.html
[09:33] <avt3kk> to go with the tut I made
[09:33] <avt3kk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536491
[09:33] <avt3kk> see lol
[09:33] <avt3kk> picture of my partitions and my tut I made
[09:34] <avt3kk> who seen it?
[09:34] <ardchoille> avt3kk: Might wanna check that screenshot url again
[09:34] <Evolution2>  hey guys, my question regards compiz vs. beryl. what is the better manager? i have been using beryl for awhile and i am wondering what compiz has to offer, and if it can be edited as easily. iam running Kubuntu feisty KDE 3.5.7
[09:35] <ardchoille> Evolution2: Might wanna join #ubuntu-effects
[09:35] <Evolution2> i did
[09:35] <Evolution2> no one is there
[09:35] <avt3kk> http://rapidshare.com/files/58796821/Screenshot.png.html
[09:35] <avt3kk> ardcho thats it see
[09:35] <ardchoille> Evolution2: My opinion? both compiz and beryl are nothing more than resource wasting toys.
[09:36] <avt3kk> see it?
[09:36] <avt3kk> does it work
[09:36] <avt3kk> download the pic
[09:36] <Evolution2> what i want to know is there a "compiz theme manager" like Emerald theme manager for Beryl
[09:36] <ardchoille> avt3kk: A screenshot url is supposed to show a screenshot, not make me download it
[09:37] <avt3kk> so how I do it then
[09:37] <avt3kk> I dunno
[09:37] <ardchoille> avt3kk: upload it to http://imageshack.us and link it?
[09:37] <avt3kk> k
[09:37] <kristjan_> ardchoille: if there are unused recources, then I why not use them with something like compiz?
[09:38] <ardchoille> kristjan_: I won't get into it in this channel
[09:39] <avt3kk> ok here it is
[09:39] <avt3kk> http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5025/screenshotqq6.png
[09:39] <ardchoille> avt3kk: Good job :)
[09:40] <avt3kk> ty :D
[09:40] <avt3kk> all are imaged
[09:40] <avt3kk> xp and ubuntu
[09:40] <pillowpants> can someone tell me why this script wont run?
[09:40] <pillowpants> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1174435
[09:40] <avt3kk> I just got through pulling a drive clone
[09:40] <avt3kk> from .1 bigger to .1 smaller
[09:41] <avt3kk> maunaly resize
[09:41] <avt3kk> acronis true imahge boot cd
[09:41] <stdin> !flash64 | pillowpants
[09:41] <ubotu> pillowpants: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[09:41] <avt3kk> image
[09:41] <avt3kk> so if you see anyone was waiting for me
[09:41] <kristjan_> pillowpants: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:41] <avt3kk> thats what i was doin
[09:42] <avt3kk> it works
[09:42] <avt3kk> now to download kubuntu
[09:42] <avt3kk> and pull out ubuntu
[09:42] <jussi01> !enter | avt3kk
[09:42] <ubotu> avt3kk: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:42] <avt3kk> fixboot fixmbr
[09:42] <avt3kk> sorry
[09:42] <jussi01> :)
[09:43] <pillowpants> kristjan_ : im on amd64
[09:43] <pillowpants> not that easy
[09:43] <avt3kk> the code i used is kind of shty but it worked
[09:45] <pillowpants> stdin: using 32 bit firefox is somewhat lame i feel
[09:46] <stdin> pillowpants: not much choice, that nspluginwrapper thing is very unstable and tends to eat CPU
[09:46] <avt3kk> goodnight guys :D so if anyone was asking if I put the disk clone back I did even if it was .1 larger then the destination regular hard drive ok haha :)
[09:46] <ardchoille> pillowpants: Not if it works with a minimum of user setup :)
[09:46] <avt3kk> goodnight buddys
[09:47] <ardchoille> nn avt3kk
[09:48] <pillowpants> stdiwn: point taken on cpu spikes
[09:50] <administrador> wenas
[09:53] <rabi> how to clean cache file and trace bin
[09:54] <rabi> Please help, how to clean cache file and trash bin. I an upgrading my system to gusty, but there is not enough free space.
[09:55] <flaccid> what are the locations of these, i've never heard of em
[09:55] <flaccid> which case and whats a trace bin
[09:55] <anthronaut> flaccid he means trash bin
[09:56] <anthronaut> or she, respectively
[09:56] <rabi> anyway I need to free some of my space in '/'. How to increase free space
[09:56] <flaccid> right click and empty it
[09:56] <flaccid> simple answer. delete files.
[09:56] <ardchoille> rabi: Open konqueror and type in:  trash:/
[09:56] <rabi> flaccid: no right click left click
[09:57] <anthronaut> rabi: what language do you speak?
[09:57] <flaccid> what location is kde trash ?  i can't remember. empty that folder
[09:57] <ardchoille> rabi: Also, open kcontrol and go to Security & Privacy > Privacy  and clean that up a bit
[09:57] <emilsedgh> flaccid: trash:/
[09:58] <flaccid> if you don't have large files to delete to free space then you will probably run into this again. you need to make decent free space for overhead
[09:58] <ardchoille> flaccid:  that or  ~/.local/share/Trash
[09:58] <flaccid> trash:/ is the protocol, not the location
[09:58] <flaccid> ty ardchoille
[09:58] <emilsedgh> flaccid: so ardchoille said the location
[09:59] <flaccid> i noticed
[10:00] <rabi> ardchoille: can't find security, in kcontrol. where is that?
[10:01] <ardchoille> rabi:  Security & Privacy
[10:02] <rabi> ardchoille: sorry sir? i am unable to find it? would u please tell me detail?
[10:03] <ardchoille> rabi: Open a terminal and type: kcmshell privacy
[10:04] <rabi> ardchoille did it.
[10:04] <ardchoille> Did you click the Clean Up button?
[10:05] <rabi> ardchoille: yah
[10:05] <ardchoille> rabi: That should clean up a lot
[10:06] <rabi> ardchoille: still not enough I need to free around 7 mb more.
[10:06] <ardchoille> rabi: Then perhaps you need to learn to partition better?
[10:06] <rabi> I know partition.
[10:06] <rabi> but I don't want to damage my system now.
[10:07] <rabi> I have configured it betterly.
[10:07] <ardchoille> rabi: Are there any apps you no longer want and can uninstall?
[10:07] <rabi> oh yah. thank you.
[10:07] <flaccid> you configured it badly
[10:07] <ardchoille> flaccid: Maybe not, he/she may have just filled it up
[10:08] <flaccid> partitioning is part of configuration..
[10:09] <ardchoille> rabi: Another idea is to keep things like tutorials, music files, pictures, etc. on a different partiton or drive. I have two hard drives (hda and hdb) I keep the system on hda and music, pictures, tutorials, etc on hdb
[10:10] <rabi> ardchoille: I am updating kubuntu using 'update-manager -d'. does it work?
[10:10] <flaccid> adept is the gui for kubuntu
[10:10] <ardchoille> rabi: I don't update, I install from cd and I don't use gui's for that anyway since cli is faster
[10:11] <rabi> yah i know, but the process using adept is longer.
[10:11] <flaccid> we support adept here as its #kubuntu
[10:12] <rabi> can I get CD of kubuntu?
[10:12] <ardchoille> !kubuntu
[10:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[10:12] <stdin> !shipit
[10:12] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will send Feisty (7.04) CDs
[10:13] <ardchoille> rabi: See the link stdin posted, shipit is very nice
[10:13] <rabi> I got the cd of 7.04 from shipit.
[10:14] <rabi> again not enough free space. what to do? I removed opera and wxdfast.
[10:15] <ardchoille> rabi: The only thing I can suggest is buy another hd and move some stuff over to it
[10:15] <flaccid> re do it and allocate sufficent space
[10:15] <flaccid> or buy more space
[10:16] <waylandbill> hard drives are ridiculously cheap and worth the effort. :)
[10:16] <rabi> No I have enough space, 5500MB - for root (/) partition, 10 GB - for /HOME partition.
[10:17] <ardchoille> rabi: Even if you get it to work now, you might have problems again later due to fragmentation because the system doesn't have enough space to do housekeeping
[10:17] <flaccid> rabi, which partition are you running out of space on?
[10:17] <rabi> ardchoille: How much space for root partition is needed to run perfectly?
[10:18] <ardchoille> rabi: I don't know, I have 75Gb for /
[10:18] <flaccid> free space wise you only need a few meg on root part
[10:18] <ardchoille> flaccid: few meg? I don't think so
[10:18] <flaccid> um i do. i run linux on few meg spare quite a lot
[10:19] <flaccid> more to the point, how much free space do you actually have rabi. please pastebin df -h
[10:20] <rabi> 891 in / partition
[10:20] <ardchoille> flaccid: lol, http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39793
[10:20] <flaccid> why do you think your problem is free space rabi?
[10:21] <flaccid> because looking at that. there is no problem with free space
[10:21] <flaccid> 65GB is a lot more than a few megabyte
[10:21] <ardchoille> flaccid: That pastebin is mine, not his
[10:22] <flaccid> i was asking for rabi's
[10:22] <flaccid> isn't he the one with the problem
[10:22] <ardchoille> yes
[10:22] <ardchoille> ignore me :P
[10:22] <flaccid> will do
[10:22] <flaccid> lol
[10:22] <ardchoille> stdin: No! You're a valuable resource to me :)
[10:22] <rabi> ardchoille: I have posted my configuration.
[10:23] <rabi> I have installed ubuntu with XP dual boot
[10:23] <stdin> did anyone hear anything?
[10:23] <webulator70> anyone have a moment to help me with what seems like an uncommon nvidia problem/
[10:23] <stdin> ;)
[10:23] <webulator70> *?
[10:23] <ardchoille> stdin: lol
[10:23] <flaccid> try #nvidia
[10:23] <webulator70> thanks
[10:24] <flaccid> rabi, pastebin df -h
[10:24] <webulator70> i think they ruined the drivers after whats now called glx-legacy
[10:24] <ardchoille> rabi: no offense, but if I were you I'd get rid of XP, it's wasting space on a garbage OS wannabe anyway.
[10:24] <flaccid> no they didn't.
[10:24] <webulator70> i have the same hardware and do the same thing and they wont go anymore
[10:24] <webulator70> ti4200
[10:25] <flaccid> people have the right to choose
[10:25] <flaccid> usually people will have a valid reason for windows :)
[10:25] <webulator70> i do right now
[10:26] <rabi> flaccid: Yah I know, but I have to use it, as my callegues are using it.
[10:26] <webulator70> they say to ask in #ubuntu
[10:26] <webulator70> thing is everyones completely ignoring me there
[10:26] <flaccid> yeah im on your side rabi :)
[10:27] <ardchoille> webulator70: What exactly is the problem?
[10:27] <flaccid> ignoring usually means nobody has an answer for your problem
[10:27] <rabi> And another problem is, the keyboard layout in kubuntu is not working properly to work in nepali language
[10:27] <webulator70> thank you ardchoille
[10:28] <rabi> I wanna ask you another problem. I need to update my kubuntu system into gusty. what is the way
[10:28] <ardchoille> !update
[10:28] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[10:28] <webulator70> if i install the nvidia driver after a clean install i cant start x anymore, if i install it via the official nvidia dl it wont compile a kernel modual
[10:28] <ardchoille> webulator70: Have you tried following the nvidia tutorial? It has worked for me on over 100 machines.
[10:28] <webulator70> i used to  have the nvidia drivers going on here back on 6.10
[10:28] <stdin> webulator70: tried the -new or -legacy drivers too?
[10:29] <webulator70> yes, ive spent all day going over it
[10:29] <flaccid> webulator70, can you cite the actual problem?
[10:29] <rabi> I need to update kubuntu feisty to gusty.
[10:29] <flaccid> rabi, why?
[10:29] <stdin> rabi: *need*?
[10:29] <ardchoille> webulator70: Which nvidia card do you have?
[10:29] <webulator70> i can give you bits of the error in the log file or something
[10:29] <webulator70> ti4200
[10:29] <flaccid> please pastebin webulator70
[10:30] <webulator70> btw it might be worth noting that i cant seem to even boot with the nvidia drivers in sabyon
[10:31] <flaccid> perhaps you need to update the driver as its kernel specific
[10:31] <webulator70> i tried that i think
[10:31] <ardchoille> webulator70: The ti4200 is listed for the nvidia legacy driver
[10:32] <flaccid> please make sure you are using the right nv driver and pastebin the error log
[10:32] <webulator70> i tried the legacy and non legacy driver
[10:32] <webulator70> just not the new one
[10:32] <webulator70> 96xx is for ti4200
[10:32] <webulator70> apparently
[10:32] <webulator70> sorry if im annoying but whats pastebin?
[10:32] <ardchoille> webulator70: No, you need the legacy driver
[10:32] <flaccid> log, log, log..
[10:32] <flaccid> !pastebin > webulator70
[10:33] <webulator70> the legacy one says its for gf2 and earlier
[10:34] <ardchoille> webulator70:  If either of nvidia-glx-legacy/nvidia-glx-new are installed a dotfile is created in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/ . Even after these packages are uninstalled the dotfile will remain and may frustrate efforts to use the nvidia-glx package.
[10:34] <ardchoille> webulator70: The ti4200 card is listed as a legacy in http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[10:35] <webulator70> yes its listed under the 96 driver
[10:35] <webulator70> thats what i used
[10:35] <ardchoille> webulator70: where?
[10:36] <webulator70> on that link i was just given
[10:36] <webulator70> its listed under 96
[10:36] <webulator70> the middle driver, not the old 'legacy' one and not the  new 'new' one
[10:36] <ardchoille> webulator70: The 96xx driver and the legacy driver are two different drivers, you need the legacy driver, not the 96xx driver
[10:36] <webulator70> according to that link i need 96
[10:36] <webulator70> legacy is 7x something
[10:37] <webulator70> The 1.0-96xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:
[10:37] <webulator70> then it listes ti4200 and others
[10:37] <ardchoille> webulator70: I have installed nvidia drivers on over 100 machines, if you're not going to listen to someone trying to help you then maybe that's why you have this problem.
[10:37] <webulator70> im listening, i tried both
[10:37] <ardchoille> yes, and you probably have a dotfile causing problems
[10:37] <webulator70> and im just saying, according to nvidias own site, it says 96 is for the 4200, regardless of that i tried both
[10:38] <webulator70> ive formatted several times
[10:38] <webulator70> ive tried both drivers
[10:38] <webulator70> back when ubuntun 6.10 was new this all worked ok
[10:38] <ardchoille> webulator70: No, according to nvidia's own site you need the legacy driver.
[10:39] <webulator70> according to this link i need 96 http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[10:39] <webulator70> according to that link the 71 driver is for gf2 and older
[10:40] <webulator70> the 71 is called legacy
[10:40] <webulator70> atleast in ubuntus repos it is
[10:40] <ardchoille> webulator70: Your card is listed on that page under the section that says "Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases."
[10:40] <ardchoille> at the bottom
[10:40] <webulator70> read a few lines past that
[10:40] <webulator70> it says 96
[10:40] <webulator70> so regardless of what we call it im using the one it says to
[10:41] <webulator70> besides if you use one thats not supported the installer tells you its not
[10:41] <webulator70> it did when i downloaded 100 by accident
[10:42] <ardchoille> webulator70: I'm telling you that you need the legacy driver.
[10:42] <webulator70> oh sorry flac
[10:42] <webulator70> forget 'legacy' for a sec, tell me what version number
[10:42] <webulator70> to clear this up
[10:42] <ardchoille> nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:43] <ardchoille> That's all you need to know for now.
[10:43] <webulator70> i tried that one too i said
[10:43] <webulator70> i tried glx which is for gf3 and 4 and glx legacy for the hell of it
[10:44] <webulator70> ok i pasted it
[10:44] <webulator70> the log
[10:45] <webulator70> 96 is for  the ti400 im sure of it unless nvidia made a major mistake in what they said on that link
[10:46] <ardchoille> webulator70: Forget about the "96" bit, you need the legacy driver
[10:47] <webulator70> i did try that too though
[10:47] <webulator70> same  prob
[10:47] <webulator70> if you want me to try again i will
[10:47] <webulator70> i can paste a log for the legacy one too
[10:48] <ardchoille> flaccid-: he never posted the url for it
[10:48] <webulator70> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38887/
[10:49] <flaccid-> ok
[10:49] <webulator70> skip that part about the 100 version driver, i dl that one by accident
[10:49] <webulator70> i suppose i should have edited that out
[10:49] <gustavo> does anybody knows a rar password recovery for linux?
[10:50] <ardchoille> webulator70: If you install from nvidia's package, you have to reinstall everytime you have a kernel upgrade or the driver will disappear
[10:50] <webulator70> i just formatted then attempted install
[10:51] <webulator70> like 5 times in the last 2 days
[10:51] <webulator70> please disregard line 377 onward
[10:52] <webulator70> [ 3511.717400]  NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 GPU installed in this    system is    [ 3511.717407]  NVRM:  supported through the NVIDIA 96.43.xx Legacy drivers.
[10:52] <flaccid-> i was after xorg.0.log . doesn't matter i gotta run anyway
[10:52] <webulator70> im not being stubborn for nothing, the log even says 96 is for ti4200
[10:53] <webulator70> ok, thanks anyway flac
[10:54] <ardchoille> webulator70: Please go to this page and in the top of it tellme which version is for legacy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:54] <webulator70> for my card exactly " nvidia-glx"
[10:54] <ardchoille> webulator70: no
[10:54] <webulator70> yes!
[10:55] <webulator70> it says there "" nvidia-glx" is 96
[10:55] <webulator70> the log says 96 is for my card
[10:55] <ardchoille> webulator70: then why is your card listed in legacy on nvidia's site?
[10:55] <webulator70> nv site says 96 is for my card
[10:55] <webulator70> its listed as legacy because glx-new doesnt support it
[10:55] <ardchoille> Then our tutorial is wrong
[10:55] <webulator70> but glx still does
[10:55] <webulator70> glx-legacy  does too
[10:56] <webulator70> legacy is 71
[10:56] <webulator70> legacy used to be for it but is now only for gf2 and older
[10:56] <ardchoille> webulator70: and you card is listed on nvidia's legacy list
[10:56] <webulator70> there are 2 legacy lists look carfully
[10:56] <webulator70> ones for 96 and ones for 71
[10:56] <webulator70> 100 is current
[10:56] <webulator70> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[10:57] <webulator70> on that site
[10:57] <webulator70> there are 3 sets of cards
[10:57] <ardchoille> Ok, I feel you aren't listening and I can't help any futher.. despite installing nvidia drivers on multiple machines.
[10:57] <webulator70> please just hear me out
[10:57] <webulator70> i am listening
[10:57] <webulator70>  i know what im doing
[10:57] <webulator70> please
[10:57] <ardchoille> If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have any problems, no?
[10:57] <webulator70> dont just assume, this link does indeed show 3 sets of cards, correct?
[10:58] <webulator70> i know to an extent, please just dont assume im clueless
[10:58] <MadAlex>       ?
[10:58] <webulator70> i will attemp the legacy driver of your choice (again) after you hear me out
[10:59] <jussi01> MadAlex: ???
[10:59] <webulator70> alex maybe you can help clear this up
[10:59] <drmartins> Mad Alex,please use utf-8
[10:59] <webulator70> or jussi, im not trying to start a flamewar but i have a dispute wiht someone here about nvidia
[10:59] <webulator70> the driver i mean
[10:59] <webulator70> a prob im having
[10:59] <llutz> !enter | webulator70
[10:59] <ubotu> webulator70: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:00] <jussi01> webulator70: whats going on?
[11:00] <MadAlex> any body way talk on russian?
[11:00] <jussi01> !ru
[11:00] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:00] <webulator70> thank you jussi
[11:00] <drmartins> ubotu    ;))
[11:00] <jussi01> !bot > drmartins
[11:01] <webulator70> ok, i cant install the nvidia driver, ardchoille says i need the glx-legacy driver, i say i need just glx
[11:01] <webulator70> for a ti4200
[11:01] <webulator70> glx-new being the one i cant use
[11:01] <jussi01> webulator70: and ? do either of them work?
[11:01] <webulator70> no
[11:01] <webulator70> 96 and 71 do not
[11:02] <webulator70> also 100 is ofcoarse too new for me
[11:02] <webulator70> even sabyon doesnt let me use the nvidia driver
[11:03] <pillowpants> thanks for the firefox32 install link for amd64
[11:03] <pillowpants> installing ff32 bit on amd64 seems somewhat lame, but the flash situation has been resolved
[11:03] <pillowpants> thinags
[11:03] <jussi01> webulator70: its the 96 driver: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[11:03] <pillowpants> thanks*
[11:03] <webulator70> i did use 96
[11:04] <webulator70> thank you for the confirmation
[11:04] <sreejith> Hai I am using kubuntu after upgrading RAM from 512 MB to 1GB I am not able to access certain sites like php.net , payapl etc. Can anybody pls help me to sort out this problem?
[11:04] <jussi01> webulator70: as you see, it is correct
[11:04] <webulator70> ardchoille wouldnt beleive me that i am to use 96
[11:04] <ardchoille> webulator70: That is the legacy driver
[11:04] <jussi01> webulator70: so he may be wrong. move on
[11:04] <webulator70> its not called legacy thought, 71 is
[11:04] <jussi01> webulator70: there we go.
[11:05] <jussi01> webulator70: this seems to be pointless. can we move on?
[11:05] <ardchoille> webulator70: Regardless of what it's called, you need the legacy driver
[11:05] <webulator70> there are 3 drivers on the repos, ones called glx, one glx-legacy and one glx-new, glx is the one im to use
[11:05] <webulator70> yes we can juss
[11:05] <webulator70> as long as i  confirmed the # the rest is pointless, yes
[11:06] <sreejith> After upgrading my RAM from 512 MB to 1GB I am not able to access certain sites like php.net , payapl etc. Can anybody pls help me to sort out this problem?
[11:06] <kenny> has anyone got GoogleEarth4.0Beta to work
[11:08] <sreejith> after upgrading RAM from 512 MB to 1GB I am not able to access certain sites like php.net , payapl etc. Can anybody pls help me to sort out this problem?
[11:08] <sreejith> pls help me
[11:08] <ardchoille> !patience | sreejith
[11:08] <ubotu> sreejith: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:08] <webulator70> maybe they thought they where being ignored
[11:09] <webulator70> juss did you catch the log file i posted?
[11:09] <jussi01> webulator70: Im working I cant talk right atm