[16:39] <Nothing_Much> A Tizen phone appears!
[16:39] <Nothing_Much> http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=37149
[16:43] <mhall119> yeah, I'm surprised
[16:47] <Nothing_Much> I think it's gonna be too popular because of Samsung backing it
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> The gruella method that Ubuntu's going for with a particularly different/new market type, while Tizen is more of the same, and wouldn't you know it? It looks like a clone of Android
[16:52] <mhall119> it does look a lot like Samsung's Android, yeah
[16:52] <mhall119> I'm just not sure why they're pushing it out when they're doing so well with Android itself
[17:19] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: They want their control, like Ubuntu does :P
[17:20] <Nothing_Much> It's not a bad thing, but because Samsung's a big company, I think that fact alone will be detrimental
[17:21] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: true, but Samsung already had pretty good control over their branch of Android
[17:22] <Nothing_Much> And yet I see comments saying that Tizen will implement the Play store
[17:22] <Nothing_Much> I don't get the logic
[17:22] <Nothing_Much> But okay
[17:25] <mhall119> they'll probably do what Jolla did and support an alternate store for Android apps
[17:25] <Nothing_Much> Jolla has an alternate store?
[17:25] <mhall119> it'll be a hard sell for them to convince Google to support the Play Store on Tizen
[17:25] <mhall119> yeah, they use Yandex
[17:26] <Nothing_Much> So what, do they port their apps over from Android?
[17:27] <mhall119> no, they run Android apps on top of their OS in a semi-compatible JVM
[17:27] <Nothing_Much> That sounds like an emulator
[17:28] <mhall119> it more or less is
[17:28] <Nothing_Much> Unless you're emulating gameboy games or pre-2000 console games, you're gonna have a problem with framerate
[17:28] <Nothing_Much> But given how fast the ARM architecture is improving
[17:28] <Nothing_Much> I'd say it may run decently
[17:28] <mhall119> it's not emulating hardware, so performance doesn't seem to have been an issue
[17:29] <mhall119> but it's not 100% compatible, so it seems hit or miss whether Android apps work right on SailfishOS
[17:29] <Nothing_Much> Oh really?
[17:29] <Nothing_Much> So it's like WINE then
[17:29] <mhall119> it's a JVM really
[17:29] <Nothing_Much> Not an emulator, but a compatibility layer
[17:29] <mhall119> so it's like any other time you run a Java app
[17:29] <Nothing_Much> Ohh
[17:29] <Nothing_Much> But sometimes Java apps require some weird hacking or some stuff like that
[17:30] <mhall119> desktop ones do, yeah
[17:30] <mhall119> Android apps were already limited to the Dalvik VM though, so that's less of an issue
[17:31] <Nothing_Much> Uh.. *googles*
[17:31] <Nothing_Much> Ohh
[17:31] <Nothing_Much> So basically Android apps just suck?
[17:32] <Nothing_Much> ... Oh hell, why am I asking that? Of course they suck
[17:32] <Nothing_Much> I've used a few office apps on Android and they were horrid
[17:32] <Nothing_Much> At least on my TF101
[17:33] <mhall119> they suck on SailfishOS because (a) it doesn't offer all of the same platform functionality as Android and (b) it offers things that Android doesn't which Android apps can't ever use
[17:34] <mhall119> I suspect Tizen will have the same problems
[17:34] <Nothing_Much> So that's a clustered ecosystem with rampant useless applications that have no reason to exist
[17:35] <Nothing_Much> I'm hoping Ubuntu can compete with the iPhone eventually when it comes down to being an all around better OS and ecosystem in general
[17:35] <Nothing_Much> I honestly can't consider Android a serious contender with Apple when apps in the Play store are horrid and aren't moderated afaik
[17:36] <Nothing_Much> Oh wait, yeah, they aren't, look up Flash player on the Play store and enjoy your adware
[17:37] <Nothing_Much> 250 results
[17:37] <Nothing_Much> Wow
[17:40] <mhall119> well Android is certainly the juggernaught when it comes to mobile OS, I think competing with iPhone is more realistic in the short-term
[17:41] <Nothing_Much> Perhaps
[17:42] <Nothing_Much> But that's only because Android's on too may devices