[10:11] <jokerdino> hey guys, is it possible to set up a pbuilder instance of quantal in oneiric?
[10:12] <Lasall> yes
[10:12] <jokerdino> the next question. how?
[10:13] <Lasall> jokerdino: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Using_pbuilder-dist_to_manage_different_architectures_and_distro_releases
[10:13] <Lasall> but I prefer the manual solution next paragraph
[10:14] <tumbleweed> easy answer: pbuilder-dist quantal create
[10:14] <Lasall> :-D
[10:14] <jokerdino> that seems to give me errors>
[10:14] <tumbleweed> it helps if you say what they are
[10:14] <tumbleweed> such as pastebinning the whole output
[10:14] <jokerdino> one sec
[10:16] <jokerdino> tumbleweed:
[10:16] <jokerdino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1099793/
[10:16] <tumbleweed> you need a newer debootstrap
[10:17] <jokerdino> i need to turn on the backports?
[10:17] <tumbleweed> or, just sudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/quantal
[10:17] <jokerdino> ok
[10:17] <jokerdino> let me try
[10:18] <tumbleweed> doesn't look like anyone backported a new enough debootstrap to oneiric https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap
[10:19] <jokerdino> aww, that is working. thanks tumbleweed !
[14:40] <DonkeyHotei> can someone please review a patch? bug 933822
[14:41] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, that hardcodes xchat as the used app ...
[14:42] <DonkeyHotei> no it does not
[14:42] <ogra_> Exec=sh -c "xchat --existing --url %U || exec xchat"
[14:43] <DonkeyHotei> i see no hardcoding there
[14:43] <DonkeyHotei> unless you mean the xchat launcher is hardcoded to launch xchat
[14:44] <DonkeyHotei> which is its very purpose
[14:44] <ogra_> erm, sorry, ignore me, i thoght that patch was for gvfs
[14:45] <ogra_> in that context the patch looks fine :)
[14:45] <ogra_> do you need a comment on the bug ?
[14:46] <DonkeyHotei> it's been sitting there for a couple months with no action taken
[14:47] <DonkeyHotei> and a duplicate has been there even longer
[14:47] <DonkeyHotei> since there is a working patch, this does not have to be
[14:48] <ogra_> if you call "xchat --existing --url %U" does that properly return -1 and doesnt start the UI so that the "OR" condition doesnt exect a second instance ?
[14:48] <ogra_> *exec
[14:49] <DonkeyHotei> it works correctly
[14:49] <ogra_> k
[14:49] <DonkeyHotei> the --url option with no arg is a fatal error, you see
[14:55] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, uploaded to quantal
[14:55] <DonkeyHotei> can it be SRU'ed too?
[14:56] <DonkeyHotei> it's been a few released since ubuntu switched from gconf to gvfs for this
[14:56] <ogra_> feel free (needs some paperwork on the bug, see the StableReleaseUpdates wikipage)
[14:56] <DonkeyHotei> s/released/releases/
[14:56] <micahg> hrm? gconf to gvfs?
[14:57] <DonkeyHotei> micahg: URL handling used to use gconf
[14:57] <DonkeyHotei> xchat package has been broken ever since the switch
[14:58] <micahg> gconf is configuration/settings, gvfs is file management...
[14:58] <ogra_> micahg, in the old days the file handlers for mime types were handled via gconf keys
[14:58] <DonkeyHotei> hey, i didn't design it
[14:58] <ogra_> he is right
[14:59] <micahg> I think I need more tea :)
[15:07] <DonkeyHotei> brb
[15:13] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: can you nominate it for releases?
[16:05] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: can you nominate it for releases?


[00:26] <bzn-fob> I'm having an issue with a .desktop file. In short, I can go to terminal, /usr/bin/my-app <-- this works. But desktop entry with same exec location produces an error 'invalid desktop entry file'
[00:27] <bzn-fob> The program is mnemosyne & I had to upgrade it. So, this is the cause, but I am not sure what I need to correct.
[00:28] <bzn-fob> Launching from terminal, no prob. That's what is tripping me up. & the .desktop file is fine. Copied from my emacs.desktop, replaced necessary stuff
[01:53] <meno> Hi
[01:54] <meno> is there any ubuntu chess app i can install to play chess offline  ??
[02:19] <xangua> meno: don't know the specific package name but gnome-games installs the classic ones
[13:08] <LioneLL> Hi, how can i "put an image on desktop background" with right clic in Firefox Lubuntu 14.04 ? pls
[13:33] <pavlushka> LioneLL: in Firefox Lubuntu 14.04 !!! (confused)
[13:35] <LioneLL> Firefox running in Lubuntu 14.04 ..
[13:40] <pavlushka> LioneLL: I only know one way to setup a desktop background, from desktop preferences and for that the pic need to be on the disk.
[13:41] <LioneLL> ok thks,  my question is still asking ...  :)
[13:43] <LioneLL> cause most desktops (Gnome,unity,win..) do that for years..
[18:38] <remlap> New convert to lubuntu may seem silly but is there a way to switch on this, play multiple files by highlighting at once and pressing enter?
[18:53] <remlap> anyone
[18:53] <tsimonq2> remlap: Hi :)
[18:53] <tsimonq2> remlap: I don't know an answer to your question, but if you don't get a response soon, I'd suggest emailing the lubuntu-users list linked in the topic :)
[18:54] <remlap> Hi thanks tsimonq2
[18:54] <remlap> Only thing I am mssing from Nautlius
[18:54] <remlap> part from an I
[18:54] <remlap> ha
[18:57] <remlap> everything is so smooth and buttery fast with lubuntu
[18:58] <remlap> I do have a high spec machine but this just makes it better
[18:59] <tsimonq2> remlap: And by "play multiple files by highlighting at once and pressing enter" you mean like in PCManFM?
[19:00] <remlap> yes
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Have you tried it there? :)
[19:01] <remlap> never thought that
[19:01] <remlap> good idea
[19:02] <remlap> i'll look at their documentation more
[19:05] <remlap> https://github.com/lxde/pcmanfm-qt/issues/149
[19:05] <remlap> qt version but still seems it maybe a feature to stop people opening multiple files
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Only for the Qt version.
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Have you tried it with the GTK version?
[19:08] <remlap> I am using GTK it's the same
[19:08] <remlap> I can get used to it or using the right click menu that works fine
[19:08] <tsimonq2> PCManFM Qt is the Qt port, there's no guarantees that it's all there.
[19:08] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[22:58] <hatchet> hello
[23:01] <hatchet> currently downloading alternate version 64bit. usually with ubuntu flavors my ethernet and wifi are blacklisted. i have to edit modprobe blacklist file and comment out the b43 one and reboot. how annoying.
[23:03] <hatchet> i currently running ubuntu mate and am having issues with firefox locking up after a few minutes. is this an issue with lubuntu as well?
[23:04] <hatchet> hopefully firefox is not the default browsr
[23:04] <tsimonq2> hatchet: That seems like a hardware-specific issue. I think the only way to figure that out is to try. :)
[23:04] <tsimonq2> hatchet: And yes, the default browser is Firefox.
[23:04] <tsimonq2> hatchet: Although you can easily install any browser you want. ;)
[23:05] <hatchet> well my torrent is done. wish me luck
[23:06] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[23:06] <tsimonq2> hatchet: If you have any issues, I'd suggest emailing the lubuntu-users list linked in the topic ;)
[23:07] <hatchet> thanks
[23:07] <tsimonq2> np, anytime hatchet :)
[23:08] <hatchet> alright. see ya later


[00:36] <Takyoji> It's killing me
 Anyone else here considerably a developer?
 Because I'm trying to think of a sane method of having processes send information to one process, to send off the information to the subscribers
[00:36] <Takyoji>  More specifically, so that I can have a sidebar that tells me what's going on all webservers I administrate
[00:36] <Takyoji>  People online, new posts, new users, private messages, CPU/DB usage, anything.
[00:36] <Takyoji>  and right now I'm thinking between semaphores, sockets, named pipes, message queues, or perhaps UDP
[00:36] <Takyoji>  And it's non-essential information, so there can be data loss, etc
[00:36] <Takyoji>  I'm starting to lean towards UDP
[00:40] <katakaio> Hi Takyoji!
[00:41] <Takyoji> Hello
[00:41] <katakaio> I'm Josh - I'm working with Tony and the rest of the team on getting the word out to area groups.
[00:44] <Takyoji> "area groups" being? The subdivisions of the Minnesota Ubuntu LoCo (which I think we currently don't have structured yet), or?
[00:48] <Takyoji> I think I feel like hiding under a rock now considering I haven't accomplished anything in a long time, and haven't done anything to the LoCo website in perhaps months now.
[00:59] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: area groups meaning other computing groups in the state, like LUGs, university CS clubs, Women in IT groups, professional societies like ACM, etc.
[01:00] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:00] <Takyoji> Yea, Faribault has nothing to my awareness. xP
[01:02] <mr_steve> My school has absolutely no Linux or general computer club that I'm aware of. I intend to try to fix that.
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> You might be surprised.
[01:02]  * tonyyarusso Google races Takyoji
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: You have an amateur radio club at least; that's in the right category of kind of geeky.
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> (A lot of the TCLUG guys are HAMs too)
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> Carlton College has a Technology & Art club
[01:13] <katakaio> I'm back . . . hey Tony, what did you think of the new project whiteboard for area-groups?
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> katakaio: On the right track, other than the technicality that that stuff should be going on a Spec wiki page rather than a Blueprint whiteboard, but you didn't know that :P
[01:18] <katakaio> tonyyarusso: I guess I should sign up for the "Launchpad for Dummies" class . . .
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, we need to do some explanation of that soon.  It's a wee bit complicated when you delve into the cooler stuff it can do.
[01:19] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: So what's on the agenda for tomorrow?
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: dunno - wanna write one?
[01:19] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: nope
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> well phooey
[01:20] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I'm still writing that paper I got distracted from last night.
[01:27] <katakaio> Yeah - I'm going in and out with working on a paper.  :P
[01:54] <Takyoji> because apparently I can't.
[02:19] <mr_steve> hmm. QJackCtl or whatever it's called, or something else?
[02:34] <Takyoji> Yes
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> http://shorterandsweeter.blogspot.com/2009/12/greatest-christmas-decoration-ever.html
[04:32] <Takyoji> Hah, nice
[04:33] <Takyoji> Viewed it earlier, but then forgot who mentioned it. xP
[04:34] <Takyoji> Too bad of all the people falling for it. xP
[20:38] <katakaio> Hey team - I might be a little late to tonight's meeting
[20:38] <katakaio> Work wraps up at 6:30pm, so I'll book it to the nearest computer after that :P
[20:38] <katakaio> See you then!
[20:41] <tonyyarusso> ok!


[15:53] <utkarsh2102> !dmb-ping
[15:53] <utkarsh2102> I forgot what's that 😭
[15:54] <utkarsh2102> oh there!
[15:54] <xypron> o/
[15:54] <teward> genii: where's my coffee
[15:54] <utkarsh2102> xypron: \o
[15:54] <teward> *slaps utkarsh2102 for interrupting his coffee run*
[15:55] <sil2100> o/
[15:55]  * utkarsh2102 falls on the floor because of teward's slap intensity
[15:56] <utkarsh2102> are
[15:56] <utkarsh2102> we
[15:56] <utkarsh2102> quorate?
[15:56] <utkarsh2102> I sure hope so :)
[15:58] <rbasak> o/
[15:58] <rbasak> kanashiro sends his apologies
[15:59] <utkarsh2102> cool!
[16:00] <utkarsh2102> although I see him lurking here :)
[16:00]  * genii gets the lunchtime coffeepot going and reserves teward a mug
[16:00] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: I guess you're here? or busy in the release stuff?
[16:01] <teward> we have utkarsh2102, rbasak, sil2100, and myself
[16:01] <teward> so that's quorate if we all have the same votes
[16:01] <teward> otehrwise stuff moves to ML again
[16:01] <teward> notit for chairing
[16:01] <teward> because i'm triple tasking
[16:01] <utkarsh2102> I'll chair, no problem
[16:01] <utkarsh2102> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:01:52 UTC.  The chair is utkarsh2102.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[16:01] <xypron> o/
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> we have today's agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> skipping through the first few tasks, I guess
[16:03] <bdmurray> I'm somewhat preoccupied with an issue in my aera
[16:03] <sil2100> I think the vote for Alex from the previous DMB meeting is finished, someone needs to announce the failed result. Should we get some action items to handle the unsuccessful application?
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> and directly proceeding to MOTU applications (we have quite some other things to discuss as well!)
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> #topic MOTU Applications
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> #subtopic Frank Heimes
[16:04] <fheimes588894> o/
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> I think we still lack the quorum for that one - it's been a while now.
[16:04] <teward> where does the vote stand currently on the ML?
[16:04] <teward> since it was moved to ML
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray's vote is all that's left, last time I checked.
[16:05] <sil2100> bdmurray: ^
[16:05] <bdmurray> ack
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> 3 +1s, 2 -1s, 2 +0s
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: your vote is going to be the deciding thing here
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> should I move on considering bdmurray will vote soon and we can then wrap this up?
[16:07] <bdmurray> yes lets move on
[16:07] <teward> yes move on, we'll hadnle any ML-moved items on the ML
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> thanks!
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> #topic Alexandre Ghiti
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> 3 -1s, 2 +0s
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> even though sil2100 and bdmurray haven't voted yet, it's clear that it's -1 overall
[16:07] <sil2100> As mentioned, this has enough votes, sadly
[16:07] <sil2100> Yeah
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> so I'll wrap that up
[16:07] <sil2100> Thanks!
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> moving on..
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> #action utkarsh2102 to take care of Alexandre Ghiti's application.
[16:08] <meetingology> ACTION: utkarsh2102 to take care of Alexandre Ghiti's application.
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> #subtopic Heinrich Schuchardt
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> #link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HeinrichSchuchardt/MOTUApplication
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> xypron: hellu! please introduce yourself! \o
[16:09] <xypron> Nice to meet you. I am living in Leverkusen, Germany. I am working in the Foundations team as RISC-V lead engineer. This and +1 maintenance requires touching packages in Universe. I am also the maintainer of the UEFI implementation in U-Boot.
[16:09] <rbasak> o/
[16:09] <rbasak> Were you expecting any more endorsements?
[16:09] <xypron> no
[16:09] <rbasak> https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=*Heinrich*&sponsoree_search=name suggests a wide range of sponsors.
[16:09] <xypron> I got the ones I asked for
[16:09] <rbasak> What are their opinions on your MOTU application?
[16:11] <xypron> My understanding is that I have gathered a good bunch of experience in packaging. And at least from my team I had the feeling that my colleauges were ok with me going forward to apploy.
[16:11] <rbasak> Your upload history certainly looks good and wide ranging.
[16:12] <utkarsh2102> I find that very clever, funny, and interesting that 6 out of 7 DMB members have sponsored something for you. :)
[16:12] <teward> *is the only one who hasn't*
[16:12] <xypron> That was not my intent :)
[16:12] <sil2100> I did not formally endorse Heinrich's application, but whenever sponsoring his packages, I can't remember having any issues with the provided packaging!
[16:13] <utkarsh2102> teward: you have :)
[16:13] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: hasn't
[16:13] <teward> i have?
[16:13] <teward> oh
[16:13] <teward> wait why don't i show up in the list :|
[16:13] <utkarsh2102> sbsigntool
[16:13] <teward> oh there i am >.<
[16:13] <teward> *goes and facedesks*
[16:13] <utkarsh2102>  	0.9.4-2ubuntu1 to Impish
[16:13] <utkarsh2102> you do show up there
[16:13] <teward> and squid :)
[16:14] <rbasak> I do feel quite strongly that I'd like to see endorsements from a representative sample of sponsored uploads though.
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> in fact twice
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> yes!
[16:15] <bdmurray> rbasak: Is that something the candidate can control?
[16:15] <sil2100> I can endorse xypron packaging knowledge for sure. As said, I never had any issues with any of the packages he provided, as far as I can remember
[16:16] <rbasak> I'm not suggesting requiring endorsements from 100% of sponsors. But I think it's reasonable to consider it an issue if it's nearly the opposite.
[16:16] <sil2100> Process-wise, I'd like to ask some questions during the question phase, but not sure
[16:17] <rbasak> And for Canonical employee applicants where the sponsors are primarily Canonical employees, I don't think it's unreasonable at all.
[16:17] <sil2100> rbasak: it's hard to get endorsements right now, that is a sad fact. I've heard it from multiple applicants that it's hard for them to get endorsement comments on their applicaitions
[16:17] <rbasak> OTOH, the other reason people may not be comfortable endorsing are if they aren't confident an applicant is ready. It's not possible to tell the difference.
[16:17] <sil2100> Generally the rule of thumb so far was 2+ endorsements for MOTU, 3+ for core-dev
[16:18] <sil2100> So I would feel bad to suddenly require something from our applicants if we weren't explicit about this
[16:18] <bdmurray> If we count sil2100 then we are at 3 so can consider that "enough" and move on?
[16:18] <sil2100> I'm sure xypron would push harder for endorsements if he knew he'd need more
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> I agree
[16:18] <xypron> rbasak: then it should be made clear that all former sponsors should be pinged. I only pinged sil2100 seb128 and ginggs.
[16:19] <sil2100> Yeah, I didn't put anything due to time constraints, so the main thing that always makes getting endorsements so difficult
[16:20] <xypron> I also did thought it should be recent sponsors as of course packaging has a learning curve.
[16:20]  * utkarsh2102 wonders if he can get his endorsement on joining the release team but then also wonders now is not the time to joke :)
[16:21] <utkarsh2102> I agree to move on, 2 (+ sil2100) is good enough for now. rbasak: please consider this making an explicit thing if you feel strongly about this but are you okay in moving on for now?
[16:23] <rbasak> Oh sure, please don't block on me.
[16:23] <rbasak> It's going to influence my personal opinion in my vote though.
[16:23] <utkarsh2102> fair
[16:23]  * utkarsh2102 opens the floor for questions
[16:23] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: go, go, go
[16:24] <utkarsh2102> and others, too
[16:25] <sil2100> xypron: so I'd like you to tell me a bit more about freezes in Ubuntu. What kind of Ubuntu freezes should one expect for the development release (like kinetic)? What types of freezes do we have and what should/should not be done after one?
[16:25] <rbasak> xypron: have you handled a complex merge? With say more than five differences against Debian?
[16:25] <xypron> First of all kernel has separate freeze dates from rest of the distro.
[16:26] <xypron> Before a release we have a soft freeze were we need feature freeze exceptions and then hard freeze whereafter we only fix grave bugs.
[16:28] <xypron> Details can be found in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess
[16:28] <xypron> Ok that page lists more freeze events.
[16:29] <sil2100> xypron: there is more, but you listed the important ones
[16:29] <sil2100> I think rbasak had a question above ^
[16:30] <xypron> The most complex thing was getting RISC-V support into GRUB.
[16:30] <xypron> Upstream was reviewing patches for the LoadFile2 protocol and then for RISC-V. All not merged upstream and not in Debian.
[16:31] <xypron> The disucussion with our maintainer resulted in that he only wanted changed behavior in riscv64 not in arm or arm64 which were touched by the upstream patches.
[16:31] <xypron> This was unfortunate as our arm64 code was and still is questionable to not say buggy.
[16:31] <rbasak> When I say merge I mean the process of updating an Ubuntu package that has a delta with an update in Debian
[16:31] <rbasak> Are we talking about the same thing?
[16:32] <xypron> Yes there were packages that had multiple ubuntu patches that are not in Debian. GRUB was one of them.
[16:32] <rbasak> Do you have a link of you doing that merge, please?
[16:33] <xypron> GRUB goes through git. Let me look for the URL
[16:33] <xypron> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/grub/+git/ubuntu
[16:34] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: probably meant a link to your MP or equivalent
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> not the general git LP page of the package, hehe
[16:35] <rbasak> Or just which upload you had sponsored.
[16:35] <rbasak> Looking at that link, it doesn't look like you did the package merge for 2.06-2ubuntu1. Which one did you do?
[16:38] <xypron> Let me just search my bug list for updates
[16:40] <xypron> Sorry there were some packages were to fix autopkgtests I used a new DEbian package but I don't remember which.
[16:40] <utkarsh2102> meanwhile I'll put my question here, please complete the one going on until rbasak is happy :)
[16:40] <xypron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/findutils/+bug/1973788 is merge form debian
[16:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1973788 in findutils (Ubuntu) "Merge findutils 4.9.0-3 from Debian" [Wishlist, Confirmed]
[16:40] <utkarsh2102> q: d'you actively send delta to Debian? if so, how? can we have some links?
[16:40] <xypron> yes.
[16:41] <utkarsh2102> cf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/r-cran-openssl/1.4.6+dfsg-1ubuntu1 -> was it forwarded? I can't find so, only see a sync later (which is good enough here but still)
[16:41] <xypron> There are two ways: just send our bug to debian via submit to debian or
[16:41] <xypron> via salsa
[16:42] <xypron> For some problems I started creating merge request in salsa.
[16:42] <utkarsh2102> d'you have a list of such bugs or something?
[16:42] <utkarsh2102> it should be fairly easy to generate though
[16:43] <utkarsh2102> follow-up q: how d'you track a package where you add a delta?
[16:43] <xypron> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;submitter=Schuchardt should find my submitted bugs
[16:43] <xypron> I could add myself to the bug CC.
[16:43] <utkarsh2102> "No reports found!"
[16:43] <xypron> merge-o-matic will bring up future changes
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> "could"? :)
[16:46] <xypron> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1005802 is one of the bug reports I created. So no clue why the search did not work
[16:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Debian bug 1005802 in autopkgtest "autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud does not use SMP" [Wishlist, Open]
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> how do you do them so far?
[16:48] <utkarsh2102> any more questions meahwhile?
[16:48] <xypron> I have been using submittodebian. But I may have missed to do it in some cases.
[16:48] <utkarsh2102> :(
[16:49] <rbasak> Where would you go to find out the feature freeze date for the next release after Kinetic, once it's set by the release team?
[16:51] <xypron> It should be on the developers mailing list. But also in https://launchpad/ubuntu/<release>
[16:51] <xypron> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/l-release-schedule/27284
[16:52] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[16:52] <rbasak> No more questions.
[16:52] <ginggs> f.y.i. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;submitter=heinrich.schuchardt%40canonical.com
[16:53] <xypron> thanks ginggs
[16:53] <utkarsh2102> xypron:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightweightLobster/ReleaseSchedule -> should be a redirect to the discourse page. :)
[16:54] <utkarsh2102> ofc, if the release name indeed is "LightweightLobster" :)
[16:54] <xypron> good to know
[16:54] <utkarsh2102> sil2100, bdmurray, teward: any more questions?
[16:54] <utkarsh2102> 6 minutes until EOM
[16:54] <teward> nope
[16:54] <sil2100> No questions here
[16:56] <utkarsh2102> moving on in 3
[16:56] <utkarsh2102> 2
[16:56] <utkarsh2102> 1
[16:56] <utkarsh2102> #vote Heinrich Schuchardt to get MOTU rights
[16:56] <meetingology> Please vote on: Heinrich Schuchardt to get MOTU rights
[16:56] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[16:56] <rbasak> -1
[16:56] <meetingology> -1 received from rbasak
[16:57] <rbasak> (reasons to follow)
[16:57] <utkarsh2102> #voters rbasak sil2100 bdmurray teward utkarsh2102
[16:57] <meetingology> Current voters: bdmurray, rbasak, sil2100, teward, utkarsh2102
[16:58] <bdmurray> +1
[16:58] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[16:59] <teward> +0 while i feel packaging skills and understanding of process are generally present, I wish there were more endorsements before I can fully give a 100% support for unrestricted MOTU rights.
[16:59] <meetingology> +0 while i feel packaging skills and understanding of process are generally present, I wish there were more endorsements before I can fully give a 100% support for unrestricted MOTU rights. received from teward
[16:59] <sil2100> +0 I have no doubts as for Heinrich's packaging skill and skill as an engineer, and I love that Heinrich also learns quick and can gather the needed information fast in case it's needed. But the questioning phase showed that I think he needs a bit more knowledge regarding the non-technical processes. So I'd say asking around those to get a better feeling of the formalities
[16:59] <meetingology> +0 I have no doubts as for Heinrich's packaging skill and skill as an engineer, and I love that Heinrich also learns quick and can gather the needed information fast in case it's needed. But the questioning phase showed that I think he needs a bit more knowledge regarding the non-technical processes. So I'd say asking around those to get a better feeling of the formalities received from sil2100
[17:00] <utkarsh2102> I know we shouldn't be doing +0 more often but..
[17:00] <utkarsh2102> +0; reasons to follow..
[17:00] <meetingology> +0; reasons to follow.. received from utkarsh2102
[17:01] <rbasak> Thank you for your work in Ubuntu! Your sponsored upload history looks good. But, for example, package merges in Ubuntu aren't necessarily trivial, and I could only find trivial ones in the sponsorship miner. If you're going to be MOTU, I'd like to ensure that you can handle a complex one unsupervised, which is rather different that just relying on merge-o-matic. But I couldn't find an example of
[17:01] <utkarsh2102> I really was ready to +1 but the questioning phase gave me second thoughts. I am sure Heinrich is almost there but I don't have solid confidence in being a +1 now.
[17:01] <rbasak> you having done one.
[17:01] <rbasak> I also rely heavily on endorsements. I appreciate this is tough for you since it appears to be mainly down to your colleagues. This is therefore more on the team, not on you. But I'm not comfortable accepting an apparent lack of endorsements as it's impossible to tell the difference between most of your sponsoring colleagues not being confident you're ready and thus not endorsing, and them just not
[17:01] <rbasak> getting round to it.
[17:01] <rbasak> If you were a non-Canonical applicant or your sponsors weren't primarily Canonical employees, I'd try to get more involved and see how I could help and what compromises would be appropriate to make. But for a Canonical Foundations team member with primarily colleagues sponsoring, I think it's really on your team, your mentors and perhaps your team manager to sort this out.
[17:01] <rbasak> Keep in mind that my bar is where it is for MOTU because the permission is to upload to the archive _unsupervised_. The supervised work you have been doing is good; I'd just like to see better coverage in terms of endorsements from your sponsoring colleagues, and in the Ubuntu-development-process-complexity in your experience, before voting to give you unsupervised access. To be clear, I don't
[17:01] <rbasak> think there's any question about your technical ability or technical-complexity here, IYSWIM. Please keep up the good work!
[17:02] <utkarsh2102> wow, that's super detailed. I like it!
[17:02] <xypron> Thanks for reviewing and pointing to future learning.
[17:02] <utkarsh2102> #endvote
[17:02] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Heinrich Schuchardt to get MOTU rights
[17:02] <meetingology> Votes for: 1, Votes against: 1, Abstentions: 3
[17:02] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:02] <rbasak> I'm sorry we couldn't approve your application today.
[17:03] <utkarsh2102> indeed^ :(
[17:03] <rbasak> I think maybe we need to address this further up the chain - in how mentoring for this process is being delivered by your team.
[17:03] <utkarsh2102> but I really encourage you to apply, hopefully by the end of the year?
[17:03] <rbasak> Inside Canonical I'm making some efforts on addressing this.
[17:04] <xypron> I should sit down with sil2100.
[17:04] <utkarsh2102> xypron: I know you're in ~Foundations and you have absolutely the best folks around to help and assist. But should you need anything else, please don't hesitate to reach out to me either.
[17:04] <utkarsh2102> I'll be happy to help, work, and assist.
[17:04] <xypron> Thanks a lot.
[17:05] <utkarsh2102> we're a bit overtime
[17:05] <utkarsh2102> ok!
[17:05] <utkarsh2102> but we have something important
[17:05] <utkarsh2102> #action utkarsh2102 to take care of Heinrich's application
[17:05] <meetingology> ACTION: utkarsh2102 to take care of Heinrich's application
[17:05] <utkarsh2102> #topic AOB
[17:06] <utkarsh2102> #subtopic: Consider reinstatement for Scott Moser
[17:06] <utkarsh2102> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2022-October/002056.html)
[17:06] <rbasak> Ah yes, thanks.
[17:06] <utkarsh2102> (failed to successfully remove the ")" character but let's go
[17:06] <utkarsh2102> bah
[17:06] <utkarsh2102> anyway, how do we stand there
[17:06] <rbasak> Scott is a former colleague of mine, so I know him quite well (although we're less in touch nowadays).
[17:07] <utkarsh2102> should we discuss or just vote?
[17:07] <bdmurray> reinstatement for core dev correct?
[17:07] <rbasak> In the past, when someone has asked for a reinstatement after a long time, the DMB wanted to know the reasons for their departure, because if it was political or emotional, they might not be comfortable in reinstating them without some further thought.
[17:07] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray has some discussion to do, I guess?
[17:07] <utkarsh2102> sil2100 and rbasak was +1
[17:07] <rbasak> That's why we didn't just automatically reinstate Scott in this case.
[17:07] <utkarsh2102> s/was/were/
[17:08] <rbasak> I'm comfortable with a +1 here because I don't think that concern applies in Scott's case, but I agree with the process that it's something we should consider before approving (but it so happens that I also approve).
[17:09] <bdmurray> IIRC his membership had expired for more than a year which I find worrisome in that he may not be familiar with current processes / best practices
[17:10] <rbasak> bdmurray: I accept that might be an issue, but it's also an issue with core devs who haven't uploaded in many years but continue to renew their memberships of the team. It seems odd to allow them to continue, but deny Scott because of a missed email.
[17:11] <rbasak> If that's still a concern, then rather than denying requests for reinstatement, we should require removal for inactivity or similar.
[17:11] <rbasak> Notably Scott is still "around" in the sense that he's still in touch.
[17:11] <rbasak> But I think there are core devs who most definitely are not.
[17:14] <utkarsh2102> I don't want to waste anyone's time here but we should really conclude what we want to do
[17:14] <utkarsh2102> or at least reach out to Scott and continue there
[17:15] <utkarsh2102> I'd be sad if there were no outcome (which is what it looks like)
[17:15] <rbasak> bdmurray: if you don't want to approve Scott's reinstatement, then what do you want to happen instead?
[17:15] <utkarsh2102> I'm a +1, to be fair. Mostly because of what rbasak stated. I'm happy to see more community people around and active. I REALLYYYYYY LIKE IT.
[17:16] <utkarsh2102> teward: opinions?
[17:17] <bdmurray> rbasak: I see your point and think approving him is fine but I think the policy here should be reevaluated.
[17:18] <utkarsh2102> cool!
[17:18] <utkarsh2102> can someone work on the policy bit?
[17:18] <utkarsh2102> I'll put this in the Agenda and it's up for grabs
[17:18] <utkarsh2102> #action utkarsh2102 to approve Scott and mention the same
[17:18] <meetingology> ACTION: utkarsh2102 to approve Scott and mention the same
[17:18] <utkarsh2102> (reinstate not approve but oh well)
[17:18] <utkarsh2102> thanks, all!
[17:19] <utkarsh2102> #endmeeting
[17:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 17:19:04 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-10-17-16.01.moin.txt
[17:19] <rbasak> Thank you for chairing utkarsh2102!
[17:19] <utkarsh2102> I hope I wasn't too quick in ending the meet 😭
[17:19] <utkarsh2102> \o/
[17:19] <rbasak> We're over time, and I need to go, so no, not at all :)
[17:20] <utkarsh2102> hehe :D
[18:12] <teward> utkarsh2102: i got called away sorry
[18:21] <utkarsh2102> teward: no worries, all good! \o/


 :D
[19:29] <diddledan> lol
[20:39] <diddledan> this looks interesting "Her Story" on GOG.com: https://go.bwlh.at/2xv37bA
[20:41] <daftykins> that went to github for a corebird-snap ?
[20:41] <diddledan> bah
[20:41] <diddledan> go.bwlh.at/2jHYXYE
[20:41] <diddledan> the copy button didn't work
[21:48] <ali1234> hey guys i've got a weird question
[21:48]  * daftykins gets comfy
[21:49] <ali1234> you know this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgmx_OJP8qo
[21:49] <ali1234> how would you describe what it does in one word?
[21:49] <ali1234> "extrusion" doesn't really capture it
[21:49] <daftykins> damn that's the first word that came to mind
[21:50] <daftykins> i'm puzzled, as it does to me and by the first definition online
[21:50] <ali1234> i'm looking for a word that specifically gets across the kind of doughy/plastic nature of the material
[21:50] <daftykins> that would seem separate to the process, to me o0
[21:50] <ali1234> yeah
[21:50] <ali1234> but i mean, you can extrude metal
[21:51] <ali1234> but it isn't satifying to watch in the same way, know what i mean?
[21:51] <daftykins> mmm
[21:52] <ali1234> here's another one http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/2014/12/0pastamaking2.gif
[21:53] <daftykins> so that's how they do it
[22:01] <diddledan> this is a fun one: https://gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/issues/6050
[22:01] <daftykins> passwords O_O
[22:03] <ali1234> expected extrusion gif, got a DNS leak :(
[22:03] <ali1234> is iTerm a mac thing?
[22:03] <diddledan> yes
[22:03] <ali1234> iTerm2 - a third party replacement?
[22:05] <diddledan> no, iTerm is the forerunner of iTerm 2
[22:05] <diddledan> both are third party
[22:05] <daftykins> uTerm, weallTerm
[22:06] <diddledan> iTerm, uTerm, we all term for iced term?
[22:07] <daftykins> extrusion tax: https://media.giphy.com/media/KHFV8UJSzZzQk/giphy.gif
[22:07] <daftykins> aaaah such satisfaction
[22:08] <diddledan> why does it spiral though?!
[22:08] <ali1234> cos the holes are angled i guess
[22:19] <diddledan> example of apple's new iphone camera effect "stage lighting": https://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2017/09/portrait-lighting-techcrunch-800x520-1-800x520.jpg?retina
[22:19] <daftykins> maybe when you're not paying the bills
[22:20] <diddledan> bills ftl
[22:21] <daftykins> they're about to come for quarter end here, too :(
[22:21] <diddledan> I vote to veto all bills
[22:22] <daftykins> yes, Danny DeVito
[22:22] <diddledan> well if he's willing to pay, I guess that would be fine
[22:22] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:27] <diddledan> oh america! https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/910230655727960065


[09:09] <nixternal> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/694
[09:10] <nixternal> ^^anyone avail to proof and hack that go right ahead
[09:10] <nixternal> good information about the ubuntu certification program


[16:01] <reducks> anyone here
[16:08] <holstein> reducks: o/
[16:09] <reducks> 11.04 install issue
[16:09] <reducks> fails at installing software packages
[16:09] <reducks> even with 0 checked
[16:09] <reducks> md5 sum is correct
[16:09] <holstein> reducks: do 11.10 or 10.04
[16:09] <holstein> no reason to install 11.04
[16:10] <holstein> not sure what issue you are having
[16:10] <reducks> 11.10 is xfce
[16:10] <reducks> doent not want
[16:10] <holstein> 10.04 is not
[16:10] <holstein> you can always install normal ubuntu and add metapackages
[16:10] <reducks> 10.04 is giving me usb install issues
[16:10] <holstein> or just install whatever you want
[16:10] <holstein> JACK, ardour... etc..
[16:10] <reducks> well i want 11.04 like i had previously
[16:10] <reducks> :P
[16:11] <holstein> you can install whatever DE you want in 11.10
[16:11] <holstein> gnome3
[16:11] <holstein> mate... whatever
[16:11] <reducks> ^_^
[16:11] <holstein> reducks: theres a log during the install, you can create a webserver on the machine that is failing
[16:11] <holstein> and you will see whatever is causing 11.04 to fail
[16:12] <holstein> however, that will lead you to filing a bug
[16:12] <holstein> and no one will care
[16:12] <holstein> which is why i suggest moving on
[16:12] <holstein> even consider installing 12.04 from a daily
[16:12] <holstein> or alpha
[16:12] <reducks> 12.04?
[16:12] <holstein> reducks: the upcoming release?
[16:12] <holstein> the next one?
[16:12] <holstein> 12.04
[16:13] <reducks> yeah is it worth it/.
[16:13] <reducks> ?
[16:13] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[16:13] <holstein> reducks: i dont know
[16:13] <holstein> im running 10.04
[16:14] <holstein> and i dont plan on running anything but the next LTS (12.04) on my studio machine
[16:14] <holstein> but, there is *no* reason to run 11.04
[16:14] <reducks> yeah not sure i fancy running an alpha
[16:14] <holstein> you *can* get it running im sure
[16:14] <reducks> i want it to look like it used to before i upgraded to 11.10
[16:15] <holstein> the easy way would be, download normal ubuntu 11.04 and convert it, or add whatever packages you want/need
[16:15] <holstein> reducks: thats over
[16:15] <holstein> gnome2 is dead
[16:15] <holstein> ubuntu is doing what it always has
[16:15] <holstein> provide you with the latest version of gnome
[16:15] <reducks> mkay
[16:15] <holstein> which is gnome3
[16:15] <holstein> gnome3 and unity look a lot alike
[16:15] <reducks> i know
[16:16] <reducks> ive got mint on this machine
[16:16] <holstein> if you want gnome2, there is a project called mate
[16:16] <holstein> that is available in mint12
[16:16] <reducks> ^^
[16:16] <reducks> im running it atm
[16:16] <holstein> ALSO, all the ubuntustudio stuff is availalbe in mint12
[16:16] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[16:16] <holstein> mint is based on ubuntu, and uses the same repos, with custom pinned repos of their own
[16:19] <holstein> from mine... apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[16:20] <holstein> for example
[16:20] <holstein> or just search ubuntustudio in whatever package manager you use
[16:20] <holstein> i personally didnt find mate acceptable
[16:20] <reducks> im not sure i like gnome3 or unity though
[16:21] <reducks> its not as efficient for me to use
[16:21] <holstein> yup, im not using them either
[16:21] <reducks> what are you using?
[16:21] <holstein> openbox right now
[16:21] <holstein> for a few weeks
[16:22] <holstein> i find XFCE an acceptable gnome2 replacement though
[16:22] <holstein> more so than mate
[16:22] <reducks> yeah it just looks like a four year old drew it into the OS though
[16:22] <reducks> i suppose function over design
[16:22] <holstein> lol
[16:22] <holstein> thats what gnome2 looks like ;)
[16:23] <reducks> i guess it's just what im used to
[16:23] <holstein> you can theme it up anyways..
[16:23] <reducks> i only made the switch to linux at gnome 2
[16:23] <reducks> who 'likes' change afterall
[16:23] <holstein> to depends
[16:24] <holstein> we'll all like ardour3
[16:24] <holstein> and the newer firefoxes are faster
[16:24] <holstein> just sux that it all happened at once
[16:24] <holstein> unity and gnome3
[16:24] <holstein> but, its all open
[16:25] <holstein> you can run gnome2 if you want to deal with it
[16:25] <reducks> are they going to be releasing a ll kernel ?
[16:25] <holstein> reducks: they?
[16:25] <holstein> you mean are we?
[16:25] <holstein> depends
[16:25] <reducks> ^
[16:25] <holstein> we are still working on it
[16:25] <holstein> i would like to have it in 12.04
[16:25] <reducks> are you a developer ?
[16:25] <holstein> and then let it go
[16:25] <reducks> o_X
[16:25] <holstein> reducks: im a contributor and community member
[16:26] <reducks> ah cool
[16:26] <reducks> well
[16:26] <reducks> i guess i'm going to have to bite the bullet and go for 11.10 and change it up a bit
[16:26] <reducks> thanks alot for your help anyhow
[16:26] <holstein> sure
[16:26] <holstein> or just install into mint
[16:26] <reducks> its very much appreciated
[16:26] <holstein> or change stock 11.04
[16:26] <holstein> or try 12.04
[16:26] <holstein> or build your own
[16:26] <reducks> i only use mint at home
[16:26] <reducks> :)
[16:27] <holstein> its all open... there are always options
[16:27] <reducks> just out of interest what are the changes in 12.04?
[16:27] <holstein> kernel
[16:27] <holstein> proper themes
[16:27] <holstein> updated packages of course
[16:28] <holstein> hopefully a proper xfce implementation
[16:28] <reducks> decisions decisions
[16:28] <reducks> i think im going to have to put a bouncer in here
[16:29] <holstein> bouncer?.. where?
[16:30] <reducks> irc bouncer
[16:30] <reducks> :)
[16:30] <reducks> its been much quicker than looking at forums
[16:31] <holstein> sometimes... if you are patient
[16:31] <holstein> i miss a lot of questions here
[16:31] <holstein> i try and follow up with everyone who is still connected
[16:32] <holstein> anyways.. i gotta get to work
[16:32] <holstein> brunch concert :)
[16:32] <reducks> ciao
[16:32] <reducks> :)


[00:14] <toyowheelin> anyone remember how to check which version of kubuntu you are running
[00:15] <toyowheelin> somee terminal command
[00:16] <toyowheelin> oh wait I found it
[00:16] <toyowheelin> lsb_release -r
[00:20] <toyowheelin> not a whole lot of talk in here
[00:20] <bazhang> its the support channel, thats probably why
[00:20] <toyowheelin> oh
[00:21] <bazhang> you might want to try the various -offtopic channels for chit chat
[00:21] <toyowheelin> ah thanks
[00:21] <bazhang> xubuntu ubuntu lubuntu kubuntu-offtopic
[01:41] <semitones> hey, i newly installed kubuntu, and one annoyance I've found so far is that if I'm downloading something in chromium, if the screensaver comes on, and I have to log back in, the download is "interrupted" and I can't resume. What's going on? Can I still have a blank screen after some period of time without interrupting the functions of the computer?
[02:13] <ssfdre38> is the 11.10 on RC now or no?
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: not that I've heard... but it's so close to release that it should be
[02:15] <ssfdre38> well i looked on the wiki a week ago and it said that there will be one yesterday but today it got deleted
[02:16] <toyowheelin> :/
[02:16] <ssfdre38> i was going to do a video on it
[02:17] <ssfdre38> guess i have to wait till thursday or friday to do it
[02:18] <SIR_Taco> because?
[02:18] <Guest25031> hi
[02:19] <ssfdre38> there is no RC for 11.10
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: I guess it depends on what you want to cover in your video. But the (major) updates have slowed down in the last few weeks, and it seems more upkeep now
[02:21] <ssfdre38> for me its first looks on the new features
[02:23] <toyowheelin> hmm yeah its odd that the beta 2 is still all you can download
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> well at the moment it's sitting at KDE 4.7.1 (if the looks are what you're after)
[02:23] <ssfdre38> i know and i have beta2 and did a ubuntu first look i was going to do a RC first look on Kubuntu
[02:24] <avihay> semitones: that sounds wired. screen saver doesn't force me to log in every time, unless I unable a feature called screen lock, and even then, it doesn't log me out of my session. sounds like either the screen saver somehow crashes x when you leave it (not likely) or your computer goes into some sort of suspend mode and logs you off.
[02:25] <semitones> ok. I'm very new to kubuntu settings, so where would I find those types of options?
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> sorry... 4.7.2
[02:26] <avihay> ok, you find them all in the setting manager, under display->screensaver and under power managment
[02:27] <SIR_Taco> looks as though they're trying to rush a KDE version into 11.10 ;)
[02:28] <avihay> let;s have a look at the screen-saver crashing X theory
[02:33] <semitones> how should we look at that
[02:34] <SIR_Taco> angily I would imagine
[02:34] <semitones> I do have lock screen on resume
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> semitones: is it sleeping and/or hibernating?
[02:36] <semitones> i don't think so. in gnome, if my computer slept, it usually would not wake up
[02:36] <semitones> so to speak
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> ok... are you using Gnome or KDE?
[02:37] <avihay> you can test the screen saver, is require password after: ticked? if so, remove the tick, and press test, hit a key, then readd the tick and press test, otherwise, just test
[02:38] <semitones> ok i'll give that a shot
[02:38] <avihay> I'd be happy if tasco will take over, I wanna try to sleep a little extra
[02:38] <semitones> hhehe, no worries here :) thanks
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> avihay: me too... but I'll take over I guess haha
[02:39] <avihay> onle selept for three hours... :-<
[02:39] <avihay> slept
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> you don't want to know what I do... lol
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> avihay: go to bed
[02:40] <semitones> night night
[02:41] <avihay> I am, but I set up notifications so that the computer reads messages addressed to me out loud, computer too close to bed...
[02:42] <SIR_Taco> haha
[02:44] <SIR_Taco> semitones: anyway.... it sounds like, if chrome quits/suspends downloads when you're away from your computer, you're going into sleep or hibernation mode (ie chrome is suspended and/or can't write to disk)
[02:45] <semitones> then maybe it is going into sleep mode, but if so, 1. Sleep Works (hooray!) and 2. Some setting not in power management is causing it to sleep.
[02:46] <SIR_Taco> do the fans in your tower turn off?
[02:49] <semitones> it is a laptop. I don't know if they do or not, hang on (i have screensaver set to 1 minute now.)
[02:49] <SIR_Taco> ok
[02:54] <SIR_Taco> semitones: no stop of the download(s)?
[02:58] <semitones> the fans don't stop, neither does the screen turn off, it just goes black
[02:58] <semitones> I'll try downloading soemthing again
[02:59] <semitones> alright i'll let it sleep
[03:01] <SIR_Taco> how long did you leave it before when you came back to see your downloads stopped?
[03:04] <semitones> maybe 10 minutes
[03:04] <semitones> the plug was unplugged though, i also had screen lock enabled, which I don't anymore
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> screen lock shouldn't have anything to do with it. But having the power cable unplugged will put the laptop into a different power profile and it likely went to sleep/hibernate
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> by default that is
[03:07] <semitones> ok that makes sense. thanks for your help :)
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> semitones: not a problem
[03:07] <semitones> also do you know how to make screen edges turn off the screen?
[03:08] <semitones> I don't see that as an option under the screen edge settings
[03:10] <SIR_Taco> go to the K menu ->  Computer -> System Settings -> Workspace Behaviour -> Screen Edges... click the edge you want and select the action you want
[03:12] <SIR_Taco> if you set it to 'lock screen' it should turn off the screen in a couple minutes
[05:15] <tomas__> Hello, can someone help me with a problem installing Kubuntu 11.04?
[05:22] <tomas__> Hi, g0rs, my problem is I get to 75% install then an error saying "An error occured while removing packages, the following packages are broken: " then a blank list, and installation freezes
[05:27] <tomas__> Ack, sorry the installer rebooted me
[05:33] <g0rs> tomas__: no problem
[05:34] <g0rs> tomas__: are you installing with a cd or via usb or ftp?
[05:34] <tomas__> When it did reboot, I got a grub error 15.... and I thought this was going to be simpler than gentoo....
[05:34] <tomas__> CD
[05:35] <g0rs> tomas__: it is very simple, perhahs its a cd issue? is it a good idea to burn the image on a usb drive and install everything via usb? i did install with usb.
[05:36] <tomas__> Hmmm.... don't have one handy.
[05:36] <tomas__> ^The CD checks out ok.... this is weird
[05:36] <g0rs> tomas__: do you have network access ?
[05:37] <tomas__> To what exactly?
[05:38] <g0rs> tomas__: i dont know if its a package issue or if the cd was not burned correctly.  perhaps you can try buring a minimal image and installing everything via your LAN
[05:39] <tomas__> Hmmm... i'll check it out, thanks
[05:39] <g0rs> tomas__: probably that would be the easiest instead of finding out whats wrong with your current approach
[05:39] <tomas__> cool man
[05:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Need help regarding regarding nepomuk/strigi
[05:57] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: ask away
[05:59] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh:  left my pc ON for the whole night for strigi to index my file on the morning , i saw it was crashed, i saw a bug report regarding it previously, is the problem fixed or is there a workaround
[05:59] <claydoh> dunno, what bug report?
[06:01] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: i think this a similar one, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276306
[06:03] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: do you use strigi to index files?
[06:04] <claydoh> no, though I have had it enabled at times.
[06:06] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: any solution
[06:08] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: which version KDE? This issue from digging through all the duplicate reports may be fixed in 4.7 ( so natty or oneiric)
[06:09] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: sorry , forgot to tell you, i am using kubuntu 11.10 beta 2 with kde 4.7.1
[06:11] <claydoh> ditto here, I don't have the issue here. Perhaps for the initial index, let it stay awake maybe? iirc once the major indexing is done, it doesn't have to run constantly
[06:11] <claydoh> I can
[06:12] <claydoh> I can't get it to crash here on one of my systems , but it really hasn't run long enough
[06:12] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: Are you trueg ?
[06:13] <claydoh> lol no
[06:13] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ok
[06:13] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: that fellow told the same thing in a post, i agree with that, its just this one bug
[06:17] <claydoh> hard to track if it is hard to reproduce :(
[06:19] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ya
[06:21] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: the update-apt-xapi , takes a lot of cpu and sometime, the system hangs, any solution?
[06:22] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: update-apt-xapi ->process
[06:24] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: dunno, i don't get hangs, tho it does slow for a spell,  but my main laptop is slightly older,   my reeeeaaaally old laptop just slows for a spell
[06:25] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: what is that process actually for?
[06:28] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: it indexes the apt database for the software center, for all the info
[06:28] <claydoh> and muon
[06:30]  * claydoh sleeps now, pretty late :(
[06:30] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ok, thank you , good night
[06:31] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: maybe others can chime in, too :)
[06:31] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ya
[08:43] <se7en> how can i share a folder so windows can access them?
[09:45] <szal> !samba | se7en
[12:17] <dthacker> Looks like flash is broken again.  In the past I've gotten around this by uninstalling and reinstalling flashplugin-installer.   THis time it's not working.  Any other tips?
[12:23] <yofel> a) define broken b) which release?
[12:29] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: What do you mean broken??
[12:29] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: brb,  need to restart for applying updates  :)
[12:29] <Carnage__> Hey guys. I've installed quite a few kde updates earlier this morning and after rebooting and logging in, I'm only presented with a grey screen now. Nothing is happing, I can only kill the kdm to get back to the login screen...
[12:30] <Carnage__> Has anyone had that problem with the recent updates too? Any ideas what could cause them and how I can fix them?
[12:30] <Carnage__> Oh yes, I have Kubuntu 11.04 with default repositories
[12:31] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Does it switch back to kdm on its own
[12:32] <Carnage__> Nope, it just remains grey
[12:32] <Carnage__> I checked .xsession-errors but it did not come up with something useful.
[12:32] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Pressing ALT + F2 shows you a run dialog
[12:32] <Carnage__> xorg.log is fine since kdm starts properly, things just get screwed up after login
[12:33] <Carnage__> Nope, I cannot do anything at all apart from changing to a tty or killing kdm
[12:33] <dthacker> and.....I'm back!
[12:34] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Do you have any important settings in KDE that you need, would you like to set defaults?
[12:35] <Carnage__> I already created a new account but after logging in, the behavior is exactly the same
[12:35] <Carnage__> So it does not seem to be a user setting but rather a kde problem
[12:35] <yofel> Carnage__: can you pastebin the .xsession-error from the new account?
[12:35] <dthacker> I am receiving the "Additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page".   Click on "install missing plugins" and I get Adobe flash installer.   Click on that and it says "Already installed"
[12:35] <yofel> pastebinit can do it from the command line
[12:36] <dthacker> I've tried uninstalling flashplugin-installer and re-installing with KpackageKit,   That has worked in the past, but not this time.
[12:37] <GirlyGirl> yofel: For some reason some packages stupidly make apt remove kde-base-workspace somethimes ... I had this problem recently when but that was not with upgrading to 4..6.5
[12:38] <dthacker> Is there another package I should be poking at?
[12:38] <GirlyGirl> I assume Carnage__ is going to 4.6.5 as it just went to natty updates
[12:38] <yofel> GirlyGirl: is that with 4.6.5 or 4.7.X ?
[12:38] <GirlyGirl> 4.7X
[12:38] <yofel> then that's fine, kdebase-workspace is kde-workspace in 4.7
[12:39] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Sorry I meant kde-workspace ... it got removed and killed the system had to manually install it from CLI
[12:39] <yofel> ok, *that*s shouldn't have happened
[12:39] <yofel> *that
[12:41] <dthacker> kpackagekit shows flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree installed.
[12:41] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: Does flash not work with all browsers?
[12:41] <yofel> GirlyGirl: got the apt history from when it did that?
[12:42] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Sorry no
[12:42] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: I will check another browser now...
[12:42] <yofel> k
[12:42] <GirlyGirl> yofel: I think it was suggested for removal with one of the kde wallpapers packages or something
[12:42] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: rekonq shows same error...
[12:43] <yofel> no idea without logs, we do upgrade tests before we release the packages, and this never happened there
[12:44] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Anyway its no big deal 4.7 isn't in the oficial release or something, people using backports do expect such stuff now and then
[12:44] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: What error?
[12:45] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: "you need to upgrade your Adobe flash player"
[12:46] <yofel> there was a recent release of flash from adobe, natty wasn't updated yet from what I see
[12:46] <GirlyGirl> Flash 11
[12:46] <dthacker> I'm on 10.04 for another week......
[12:46] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=21432
[12:47] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: thanks, reading...
[12:47] <Carnage__> Sorry guys, I'm on the phone, I'll get back to you in a minute
[12:48] <dthacker> Would you recommend unintalling before trying that PPA?
[12:48] <dthacker> uninstalling even :)
[12:49] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: I don't know I get this problem on Windows ... IE will say old version but FF works fine
[12:50] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: hehe.  I get this about every six months.   This time it's just been more effort to fix.   Kubuntu works pretty well and makes me lazy
[12:53] <dthacker> Ok, new ppa added, but not seeing packanges for maverick.   I wonder if they made one.
[12:55] <no||shutdown> hi
[12:56] <Carnage__> yofel, GirlyGirl: I have to boot Kubuntu again, I'll be back in a bit, I'll see if I have to reinstall kde-base-workspace
[12:56] <no||shutdown> can someone give me a hand with Kwin?
[12:56] <no||shutdown> hey GirlyGirl
[12:57] <omega__> hi
[12:57] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Describe the problem
[12:58] <no||shutdown> GG - i have 1 laptop lcd and 1 standard lcd, their preferred settings are 1280x800 and 1280x1024, saving these settings to be loaded at boot is what i'm after
[12:58] <no||shutdown> GG i have to use xRandR to adapt these settings in the CLI
[12:58] <omega__> someone can point me to a good tutorial for start to develop android apps with kdevelop?
[12:58] <no||shutdown> GG but i want to save these settings so i don't have to redo them
[12:58] <no||shutdown> i have no ./xprofile file from what i can see
[12:58] <no||shutdown> thats all
[12:59] <no||shutdown> i'd also like to get to the bottom of the OpenGL issues with these monitors, seeing as the shaders will only load in the standard config, not in the config i want, saying my OpenGl package is unsafe to use.
[12:59] <no||shutdown> thats my goal for this attempt :]
[13:00] <no||shutdown> i am reading http://userbase.kde.org/KWin
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <omega__> hi BluesKaj
[13:01] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Doesn't display settings sort the monitor fine?
[13:01] <sancochito> hi
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hi omega__
[13:01] <sancochito> how can I change the background colour in irc quassel please?
[13:01] <dthacker> when I run sudo apt-get update its putting ign in front of my newly added ppa.  Does ign mean ignore?
[13:01] <no||shutdown> Girly yes but I have to reconfigure every time i log
[13:01] <no||shutdown> girly i need to find a file which has the default config already
[13:02] <no||shutdown> girly - i think by finding that file that i'll be able to enter the proper settings, save them and never have to care again
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Normally if you do not unplug monitors it should keep the config
[13:02] <BluesKaj> dthacker, yes , nothing vailable
[13:02] <BluesKaj> available
[13:02] <no||shutdown> girly - not in this case.
[13:02] <Carnage__> Hey guys, I'm back. I reinstalled kdebase-workspace but it did not help. That's my .xsession-errors, nothing more: http://pastebin.com/yC1SsDvn
[13:02] <no||shutdown> girly - i start with 1024x768 on both monitors, the lcd a clone of the laptop-lcd
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Also you can press G and tab to auto complete my nick name its easier as it sends an attention request
[13:02] <Carnage__> I wonder why I get an openbox-message in there...
[13:03] <dthacker> BluesKaj: I see a plublished package for Maverick (what I'm running) in the PPA.
[13:03] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: ok, you see after i change the settings with xRandR the modes Kwin was installed in change and i lose window effects
[13:03] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: just want to properly configure it and save it.
[13:03] <dthacker> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[13:04] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: What graphic card do you have
[13:04] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: Intel GMA 950
[13:04] <omega__> do you know a good tutorial for s platform?tating developing android apps using kubuntu (kdevelop) as development
[13:04] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Give me a sec I have the same card let me check
[13:04] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks :]
[13:05] <dthacker> omega__: many seem to favor using Eclipse.
[13:05] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Ok Press ALT + F2 and type "kdesu kate /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup"
[13:06] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: then press enter
[13:06] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: window pops up and then disappears
[13:06] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: followed by a nice sound
[13:06] <omega__> thankyou dthacker! I know...but kdevelop is faster and more integrated than a Java program like Eclipse. And I always have programs with Open SDK and oracle Java SDK...
[13:07] <omega__> in eclipese of course..
[13:07] <BluesKaj> dthacker, ahh yeah , that one is problematic ..not sure if it's been replaced in the repos ..I tried to install that flash version from that ppa yesterday and i had to apt-get install , check your flash version after installing
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Ok then run the same thing with "kwrite" in place of "kate"
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Ok then run the same thing with "kwrite" in place of "kate" and kdesudo in place of kdesu
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Which version of Kubuntu is this
[13:07] <dthacker> BluesKaj: did you pull from that PPA or just regular repository?
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: now i see the Xsetup config file :) making progress
[13:08] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Which version of Kubuntu is this?
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: file is no longer Read-Only
[13:08] <BluesKaj> dthacker, not sure , I haven't checked the versions yet
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: its Backtrack 5r1
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: KDE4
[13:09] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Open konsole press help > About KDE
[13:09] <dthacker> BluesKaj: ok,  I'm going to uninstall/reinstall and check versions.   Back in a few....
[13:09] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: ver 4.5.3
[13:10] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: This is precisely why I dislike people using backtrack and comming to Ubuntu support ... that release is very old .. it has a bug that causes this ... has been fixed not in Kubuntu but you use backtrack
[13:10] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: understood
[13:10] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i can feel that.
[13:10] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: anyways appending the line "xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0" in the xsetup file will fix it
[13:10] <hume> hi... I'm running ubuntu 11.04 on a brand new Samsung 9-series. In gome, it connects nicely to the wifi network, but in kubuntu it does not connect. any ideas on this? what to do/check?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> dthacker, I checked synaptic and version number is <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines1 , same as the ppa
[13:11] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: alright, in this file xRandR settings are saved, I assume using the # before the command?
[13:11] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Anyways I advice you to go to Kubuntu Oneric when it comes out on the 17th ... that comes with KDE 4.7.2 which is years ahead in bug fixes and features
[13:11] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: no #
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks alot :]
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: any idea on the  OpenGL packages, since we have the same gpu?
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i just didn't know about Kesu,thats why  ;)
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks again.
[13:12] <Carnage__> GirlyGirl: Any ideas with respect to my problem of the grey screen after logging in? My .xsession-errors is not really helpful http://pastebin.com/yC1SsDvn Though I wonder why something related to openbox is in there...
[13:13] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: You have openbox?
[13:13] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Is it working now?
[13:13] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i'm working on the commands atm
[13:13] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: am going to define both monitors statically the file
[13:14] <Carnage__> GirlyGirl: I use KDE, but I have openbox installed to use it for a separate xserver on my TV
[13:14] <Carnage__> And this setup used to work without any problems, until this morning...
[13:14] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Try a simple "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[13:14] <Carnage__> Ok, will do, brb :)
[13:16] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: As to why anyone would still use KDE 4.5.3 I have no clue ... Clearly backtrack cannot keep up with maintaining packages
[13:16] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: and when it comes to updating KDE?
[13:17] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: this is a fresh install, i will run the standard update packages, nm
[13:17] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: there are loads of update packages to be installed
[13:18] <dthacker> looks like I'm trying to grab a version 10 update and failing.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/704431/
[13:18] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: KDE will still remain "back" in "backtrack"
[13:19] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: otherwise, about the Xsetup doc, the commands themselves on a new line, are there any delimeters ; or , etc?
[13:19] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: new line
[13:20] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: GirlyGirl which version of kubuntu are you using?
[13:20] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: KDE also
[13:20] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Depends where on one system Natt 11.04 on another Oneric Beta 2
[13:20] <Carnage\> GirlyGirl: Got it back working :)
[13:20] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: 4.71 and 4.7.2
[13:21] <Carnage\> For whatever weird reason, x-window-manager got configured to openbox
[13:21] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: 4.5X is like 2 years back
[13:21] <Carnage\> by the update...
[13:21] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl:  4.7.2 should be available on apt-get ?
[13:21] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: No not yet on oneirc only it isn't there yet I compiled it
[13:21] <Carnage\> As it seems, kde-window-manager does not set the alternative properly on post-install...
[13:21] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i will fix this boot file and take a good look at the various components, I know your probably wondering why i'm using backtrack? there is a valid point ;)
[13:22] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i'm well aware there higher grade versions available, i should be able to cross install/compile this
[13:22] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i should be able to improve all of this, or are their limitations in your knowledge?
[13:23] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Old components of backtrack will give you are hard time with dependancies
[13:23] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: have noticed.
[13:24] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Besides the current Intel video driver on backtrack will not work well with 4.7X
[13:24] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Why do you use it anyway
[13:24] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: *sigh* because its all the rage
[13:24] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: actually, i have some work related projects requiring the aircrack program set
[13:25] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: You can install that on Kubuntu as well
[13:25] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i was running all this on a vm, but i decided to install the OS, because of performance issues
[13:25] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: well aware of that
[13:25] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: so when it comes to my video card, and dual core intel cpu's, which version would you recommend for a clean install?
[13:26] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: If backtrack wanted to do something sensible they should have just made a ppa with a meta package that modifes ubuntu
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i don't mind booting a different version, the point is to get the the best performance out of my laptop!
[13:26] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: wait for oneric
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: nothing sensible about this OS, childish more like :P
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: this nonsense needs to be ready by monday.
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: :)
[13:27] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: or install 11.04 and put kde 4.7.1 will fix graphic issue in 4.6X http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.7.1
[13:28] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: ill take a look
[13:28] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks :)
[13:28] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: No problem
[13:28] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: brb, going to verify this Xsetup config
[13:31] <no||shutdown> lol
[13:31] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: nope :]
[13:32] <no||shutdown> anyway lets take a look at a reasonable install
[14:05] <shallwe> hi guys
[14:05] <shallwe> someone are using kubuntu 11.10 version netbook ?
[14:06] <shallwe> im lost on this version hahaha,  i cant find the main menu for installed programs :(
[14:06] <BluesKaj> shallwe, ask in#ubuntu+1
[14:06] <shallwe> BluesKaj: ty :D
[14:07] <BluesKaj> err #ubuntu+1
[14:08] <OerHeks> i guess there is no netbook version anymore ..
[14:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, I wasn't sure ...i think there's netbook login option
[14:09] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, , but don't quote me :)
[14:09] <shallwe> yes theres a version for netbok
[14:10] <shallwe> im using :D i guess o.O
[14:10] <shallwe> cuz theres only 1 bar now on top
[14:10] <shallwe> like unity
[14:10] <dthacker> Ok,  grandchild duty is done for awhile.
[14:11] <dthacker> BluesKaj:  you said current version of flash is 11.01.29.   Even after apt-get update, I'm attemptiing to download 10.3.183.   How can I correct that?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> dthacker, sorry I forgot to mention I'm using the 11.10 Oneiric ppa
[14:16] <BluesKaj> "yours may be bifferent"
[14:16] <BluesKaj> err different
[14:17] <dthacker> BluesKaj: oops :)   I don't think I want to upgrade today....
[14:17] <dthacker> I was going to wait for the official release...
[14:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, that's on thurs
[14:42] <mr-rich> Can someone tell me why (k)ubuntu has not updated LibreOffice to 3.4.3?
[14:51] <darthanubis> mr-rich: your just using the wrong version. Kubuntu has
[14:52] <darthanubis> Kubuntu Beta2 that is;)
[14:52] <mr-rich> darthanubis: I'm using Kubuntu 11.04
[14:52] <mr-rich> 11.10 is due out soon ...
[14:52] <darthanubis> I said Beta2 my friend
[14:52] <darthanubis> this month
[14:53] <darthanubis> I using it now, love it!
[14:53] <darthanubis> and I checked for you, yeah LO 3.43
[14:54] <darthanubis> I did a clean install btw
[14:54] <darthanubis> I never upgrade to beta, I used to, but stopped.
[14:55] <darthanubis> Uprgading to final is alright I supposed
[14:55] <darthanubis> -d
[15:04] <mr-rich> darthanubis: Kubuntu is my main OS ... I have everything on here. Clean installs would mean loosing everything or spending countless hours recovering from backups. I'll wait and "upgrade" to 11.10 when it's out ...
[15:04] <mr-rich> I use Windows as little as possable ...
[15:06] <mr-rich> I used to use Fedora, but upgrades would often break stuff since it was bleeding edge. (k)ubuntu is a a lot more stable and upgrades are smooth(er) ...
[15:07] <darthanubis> I never lose anything and it never takes hours to do such a thing, since I have seperate drives and partiitions for my work. /home stays put the only thing that gets formatted is / and /boot.
[15:08] <darthanubis> Plan your drives and partitions for such things as early upgrades in the future
[15:08] <darthanubis> peace
[15:08] <darthanubis> or you can always add a PPA to get the latest software which is great about Ubuntus
[15:09] <darthanubis> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[15:22] <darthanubis> mr-rich: you get that link?
[15:22] <mr-rich> Yes ... thank you.
[15:26] <kaddi> hi, could someone take a look at dmesg output on a external hard drive and let me know if i'm looking at a failing hard drive or not?
[15:27] <kaddi> that's what I get when I connect the drive (without trying to mount it): http://pastebin.com/eStPFnaM Mounting fails
[15:28] <darthanubis> kaddi: nothing but fail there
[15:29] <kaddi> fail as in hardware fail or corrupt patrition table or other?
[15:29] <darthanubis> the partition has not even mounted yet, so I'd go with H/W fail
[15:30] <kaddi> you know of a tool to confirm/test for that? (with ubuntu)
[15:30] <darthanubis> can't test what aint connected
[15:30] <darthanubis> you are looking at your test results
[15:30] <kaddi> it is connected, it's just not mounted
[15:31] <kaddi> ubuntu recognized the drive just fine, also sees the partition on it, just not mounting it
[15:31] <darthanubis> it is not "connected" as far as the system is concerned
[15:31] <kaddi> the system is seeing the drive
[15:31] <darthanubis> but no data can be read
[15:31] <darthanubis> or written
[15:31] <darthanubis> a drive that cannot read or write is no longer a working drive
[15:32] <kaddi> yes, but I want to find out if that is because it's not partitioned correctly or if it is due to a hardware issue
[15:32] <darthanubis> if you do get it do function again, it won't be long before it completely crashes
[15:32] <kaddi> an unpartitionned drive can not be read or written to eiter
[15:32] <darthanubis> has nothing to do with the partition
[15:32] <BluesKaj> kaddi, then try this  :  mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive
[15:33] <darthanubis> an unpartitioned drive alaso does not give buffer i/o errors either
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:34] <kaddi> ty
[15:34] <kaddi> it mounted
[15:40] <kaddi> backing up now... :)
[15:51] <BarkingFish> Hi guys.  I've asked this in #kde and #solid, neither seem to know, so I'll bring it here and see if someone can help me out.
[15:52] <BarkingFish> I have network manager running, I have a brilliant wifi signal, and obviously I'm connected to the net :)  But network manager's graph which shows me incoming and outgoing signal is totally flatlined.  It's literally showing no traffic whatsoever.
[15:52] <BarkingFish> KDE 4.7.1, Kubuntu 11.04, and my Wifi is on a USB stick (AR5523, Siemens Gigaset USB 108, over ndiswrapper)
[15:54] <BarkingFish> Anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing this?  It worked perfectly prior to a kernel change from 2.6.38-11-generic, to the pae version of the same kernel
[15:56] <OerHeks> BarkingFish, did you try a speedtest ?
[15:56] <OerHeks> just using IRC would give not much datatraffic
[15:57] <BarkingFish> I'm not just using IRC, OerHeks
[15:57] <BarkingFish> I have firefox open too, and I'm surfing some high intensity websites, a lot of flash, streaming video and so on
[15:57] <BarkingFish> NM is still flatlined
[16:13] <utusan> .j #kubuntu-devel
[16:32] <mach> hellu
[16:33] <BarkingFish> hi cod3name47 :)
[16:33] <cod3name47> whats up?
[16:42] <gedO> Hi
[16:42] <gedO> Guys, I have problem with Skype
[16:42] <gedO> Skype always starts up whene I log in
[16:42] <gedO> how to disable that?
[16:43] <gedO> somebody
[16:45] <gedO> Guys, how to disable skype from starting up at log in??
[17:04] <yofel> gedO: Either check systemsettings -> Startup and shutdown if it's in autostart, or if it isn't then make sure it's not running at logout
[17:10] <monsinior> Esos
[17:59] <[Raiden]> kde 4.7.2 fall into release?
[17:59] <OerHeks> yes, as an update, i read
[17:59] <[Raiden]> ok
[18:12] <avihay> gedO: I think you need to logout and select settings from the login screen
[18:26] <n8w> does any of u have been experiencing cpu freq lock(800Mhz in my case) in 11.04?
[18:34] <BarkingFish> !info network manager natty
[18:34] <BarkingFish> !info network-manager natty
[18:35] <wolfroms> so im running kubuntu and for some reason icant get sound out of my headphoines/speakers. i had sound when i had my tv hooked up via hdmi
[18:36] <BarkingFish> !info network-manager natty-proposed
[18:40] <n8w> does any of u have been experiencing cpu freq lock(800Mhz in my case) in 11.04?
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> n8w: no, is this a laptop?
[18:44] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye...
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> n8w: Install "powertop" and run that in terminal
[18:45] <GirlyGirl> n8w: See what output it gives
[18:45] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  it feels like it doesnt know that it bein powered ...
[18:48] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye ive got the output...what do u wanna know?:)) i mean yes it shows 3 freqs avaiable,but its bein locked on the lowest one
[18:49] <GirlyGirl> n8w: What CPU is this
[18:50] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  c2d 2ghz
[18:51] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  when i start the system it works just fine,but after some time it locks on 800mhz
[18:52] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  http://pastebin.com/JvpqaarZ
[18:54] <GirlyGirl> n8w: Do you find any bottleneck performance wise?
[18:55] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  r u kiddin me?
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> no
[18:56] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  fcourse i do...its a big difference rtunnin it on 2ghz n 800mhz
[18:57] <GirlyGirl> n8w: Is your power profile on performance
[18:57] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  the thing is that it doesnt kick up when no power avaiable..it keeps runin on 800..normally it would kick up,
[18:57] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye...these things were the first ones ive checked out
[19:00] <GirlyGirl> n8w: If you disable speedstep in bios, it should stay on 2Ghz permanently
[19:00] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye well, so whats up the on demand?:)
[19:01] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  the on demand could work in 9.4+ so why not now?
[19:03] <GirlyGirl> n8w: no idea ... file a bug report mentioning your cpu model etc
[19:03] <GirlyGirl> n8w: or wait for 11.10 and see if it works
[19:05] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye lets see...thx for help
[19:07] <GirlyGirl> n8w: no problem
[19:58] <draqster> hi all
[19:58] <draqster> after "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade" on my Kubuntu machine, I seem to have Ubuntu! Any ideas how that could happen?
[20:00] <well_laid_lawn> draqster: are you using a ppa for kde?
[20:00] <well_laid_lawn> that's the first thing that comes to mind
[20:01] <draqster> no
[20:02] <well_laid_lawn> doesn't dpkg keep a log? you could check in there for what happened
[20:15] <draqster> ok, I checked again and there where indeed PPA packages
[20:15] <draqster> I removed the corresponding lines. But now, how can I roll back to the official kde versions?
[20:16] <draqster> I.e. how can I say "for each installed program that was taken from the PPA repo, uninstall it and install the official package"?
[20:18] <GirlyGirl> draqster: ppapurge and reinstall?
[20:19] <GirlyGirl> draqster: And its difficult because somethimes names change
[20:19] <draqster> I tried that on kde-workspace,  but aptitude didn't automatically purge all the related packages. So do I now have to go through all package and check the Version whether it is ppa?
[20:21] <[Raiden]> draqster: try ppapurge
[20:22] <[Raiden]> and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[20:22] <draqster> where do I find that program?
[20:22] <[Raiden]> apt-cache search ppapurge
[20:22] <draqster> tried already, didn't find anything
[20:24] <[Raiden]> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/0.2.8+bzr56/+build/2041068
[20:24] <draqster> funny: kubuntu-desktop isn't even installed right now.
[20:25] <draqster> installing kubuntu-desktop gives me KDE 4.6.5 - is that the latest official?
[20:27] <[Raiden]> yes.
[20:29] <draqster> solved that one: everything works now
[20:29] <draqster> That brings me to my second problem :-)
[20:30] <draqster> I installed 11.04 on my wife's laptop. Everything went fine, except that when she logs in I see the loading animation and then we are again at the login screen.
[20:30] <draqster> That is with Kubuntu 11.04. I tried Ubuntu 11.04, which lets her logging in.
[20:31] <draqster> Previous versions of Kubuntu worked just fine.
[20:33] <[Raiden]> wait until 11.10 :)
[20:33] <draqster> I told her :-) but she dosn't want to wait. And she specifically disliked Ubuntu
[20:34] <[Raiden]> )
[20:37] <ricky1966> hi everybody, i've migration to kubuntu 11.10 beta2, but i've a problem with the migration to kmail2, abybody can help me, i can't go on, and a window said me to try kmail --migration and something else, nut i don't wrote it and i don't remembre what i've to write to try  to solve the prblem
[20:42] <Daskreech> ricky1966: you can try kmail --help
[20:43] <ricky1966> try it, but nothing about migration....
[20:55] <phiscribe> i know not to ask if its ok to ask, so im warning...i got 5 machines with kubuntu and i am pulling my hair out....i feel the need to summon a yoda of kubuntu
[20:58] <phiscribe> so...i want a configuration with maybe roaming profiles like active directory or a way to sync profiles...ill have a windows logon in the mix everyonce and while....maybe some way to store users directories in a single place....but i am on a budget an the $ is running out....what suggestions do you fine peole have?  i am looking and samba, nfs, puppet...i would like some kinda groupware....i think just a push would help
[20:59] <phiscribe> these machines have a bit of age....
[21:11] <phiscribe> alright how about this, the printer applet lists current print jobs and can show completed ones....the User and Document colums show 'Unknown'  and the Printer column is blank, I would realy like to see the document name in the list, any ideas?
[21:11] <avihay> phiscribe: my school does it, so it's definitely possible
[21:12] <phiscribe> ah avihay, yes possible i belive, just how possbile for my fumbling and how timely hehe
[21:13] <avihay> well, since they don't copy my home directory every-time like wingdows, I guess they have a script that mounts your home folder on logon
[21:13] <phiscribe> i think the printer applet is an ibus screw up
[21:14] <phiscribe> probably fstab and and a network file share, i know the top level ideas....sorta, but not so good on implementation, i guess i jsut need to think some more, i like to chat just to solidify my thoughts, thanks for sounding back
[21:14] <avihay> I'm curious aswell
[21:15] <phiscribe> from what i read, samba can, (in addtion to being a bridge to windows shares) be a windows active directory, this would give me roaming profiles, but i am not sure if a ldap server would do the same, be better and work in win and lin
[21:16] <phiscribe> what i dont want is what Windows does, make 4-10 gigabyte proviles that have to load on the network each time you boot
[21:16] <phiscribe> profiles that is
[21:17] <phiscribe> i need a linux yoda
[21:18] <[Raiden]> )
[21:18] <phiscribe> yoda are you being entering the room?
[21:22] <phiscribe> where in kubuntu might i tweak the ibus settings
[21:48] <tomas__> I keep getting this error when running sudo apt-get install: "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" even though there's 40GB+ left on the drive
[21:50] <cher> tomas__: Can you create a bunch of small files on the drive?
[21:50] <cher> tomas__: Maybe the fs ran out of inodes.
[21:52] <tomas__> Example command? I can create new blank text files in Dolphin and save files from Firefox
[21:53] <cher> Hmm. What partitions do you have for linux? (i.e. output of df command in a pastebin)
[21:54] <tomas__> http://pastebin.com/d9JVkQBA
[21:55] <tomas__> Ah, boot partition is 100% used.... why?
[21:55] <Githzerai> tomas__: it's too small
[21:56] <Githzerai> kernel images are there
[21:56] <tomas__> How buig should it be?
[21:56] <tomas__> It was fine under Gentoo
[21:56] <Githzerai> depends on how many kernels do you keep
[21:56] <[Raiden]> /var/cache/apt
[21:57] <tomas__> I just migrated with a complete reformat so I should only have one
[21:57] <Githzerai> tomas__: then you should check what remains there
[21:58] <cher> Yep, maybe there's an old kernel lying around which you no longer need.
[21:58] <[Raiden]> du -h /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:58] <skreech_> tomas__: try sudo apt-get clean
[21:58] <tomas__> http://pastebin.com/5gyrXJXh
[21:58] <tomas__> skreech_:  did that.
[21:59] <skreech_> tomas__: didn't clear up any space?
[21:59] <tomas__> Unfortunately no
[21:59] <Githzerai> he doesn0t have separate /var partition so there is enough free space
[21:59] <cher> tomas__: On kubuntu 35 mb are enough for /boot for 1 kernel. However, if you install a new kernel, the old kernels still are there. Look at /boot and maybe delete old files. However, be careful.
[22:02] <tomas__> Well, I'm currently in <IP_ADDRESS> and it seems like it wants to upgrade me to <IP_ADDRESS>... I should be OK to delete the <IP_ADDRESS> files no?
[22:02] <cher> Today I've changed my system from single monitor (1920x1200) to dual monitor (screen 1: 1280x1024, screen 2: 1920x1200). Now the task bar seems to have width 1920 but as screen 1 is 1280 parts of the task bar are not visible. How could I fix that?
[22:03] <[Raiden]> a separate section under boot only creates unnecessary problems
[22:04] <tomas__> [Raiden]:  What exactly do you mean?
[22:05] <cher> Oh, and how can I stop nepomuk from starting when I log in? I couldn't find it in Autostart, .profile or .bashrc. (I hate nepomuk, and I don't know why anyone would want to use it.)
[22:05] <dieterd_> Hi, what's wrong with initrd.img created by update from 10.04.2 to 10.04.3. Since then I have grub error 18. Any ideas for repair?  Grub repair and reinstall can't solve this.
[22:06] <Lithos84> cher: System Settings -> Desktop Search
[22:06] <Githzerai> cher: just nepomuk or nepomuk+akonsdi alltogether?
[22:06] <cher> What is akonsdi?
[22:06] <[Raiden]> tomas__: a separate section to boot just doesn't make sense to do if no exotic file systems  - google tranlator, my english is bad
[22:06] <Githzerai> THats Akonadi, sry
[22:07] <cher> Okay, then what's akonadi?
[22:07] <tomas__> [Raiden]:  Interesting. That's always what I learned to do, coming from the world of Gentoo
[22:07] <tomas__> But then they like things to be complicated.
[22:07] <dieterd_> changed to xubuntu
[22:07] <Githzerai> cher: http://community.kde.org/KDE_PIM/Akonadi
[22:07] <dieterd_> exit
[22:08] <Githzerai> cher: if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need it, Unless you use KDEPIM (kmail and stuff)
[22:08] <[Raiden]> tomas__: as they explain the need for?
[22:09] <tomas__> No, just the way they said to do it.
[22:09] <[Raiden]> :)
[22:11] <[Raiden]> tomas__: I did a separate section only 1 time watched reiserfs4. In all other cases not useful
[22:12] <tomas__> [Raiden]: Thanks. Good to know
[22:13] <[Raiden]> may be still need to encrypt the root fs...
[22:15] <[Raiden]> I hope you understand me, I enjoyed the electronic translator :)
[22:17] <tomas__> Gonna try resizing the partitions, brb
[22:19] <tomas__> Holla! That worked. You guys are geniuses!
[22:23] <g0rs> tomas__: was your installation succesful?
[22:25] <tomas__> Yes, KPackage kit can now read it's history, etc. which was the initial problem. Except now, I have to start it in a terminal with sudo, or it complains about improper authorization (without giving me a chance in-program to authenticate)
[23:04] <tomas__> Ok, next on the list, I have no sound from Adobe Flash, but all other sound apps (MPlayer, Amarok, etc.) work fine.
[23:06] <Githzerai> tomas__: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[23:08] <tomas__> Githzerai: Where do I get that>
[23:08] <Githzerai> repoes :)
[23:08] <Githzerai> it's in multiverse
[23:09] <tomas__> Ok, I;m new to Ubuntu/Debian... apt-get and KPackageKit don't find it.
[23:09] <Githzerai> tomas__: 11.04?
[23:09] <tomas__> yes
[23:10] <Githzerai> tomas__: go to software sources and enable multiverse repository
[23:12] <Githzerai> sudo software-properties-kde
[23:12] <tomas__> It's enabled... I think... deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty multiverse is checked
[23:12] <Githzerai> hm, thats wierd
[23:12] <tomas__> It's enabled under software-properties-kde
[23:13] <Githzerai> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[23:13] <Githzerai> shows that there is a flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound package in multiverse
[23:13] <Githzerai> Have you updated package list?
[23:14] <tomas__> How do I do that exactly?
[23:14] <Githzerai> fastest way: sudo apt-get update
[23:15] <Githzerai> and: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[23:15] <tomas__> Same thing
[23:16] <Githzerai>  hm, wtf??
[23:16] <Githzerai> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound/
[23:17] <Githzerai> It exists in your mirror :/
[23:17] <g0rs> Githzerai: what is extra sound for? i installed the norma adobe-non-free plugin
[23:17] <Githzerai>  Is there a '#' in fornt of deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty multiverse?
[23:17] <well_laid_lawn> !info flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[23:18] <Githzerai> g0rs: it enables flash to use pulseaudio
[23:18] <toyowheelin> woah you can do that?
[23:18] <g0rs> Githzerai: can we disable pulseaudio and use oss or ALSA?
[23:18] <Githzerai> g0rs: yes we can, but why? :)
[23:19] <g0rs> Githzerai: what is the big deal about pulse audio anyway?
[23:19] <g0rs> Githzerai: why have they changed alsa or oss with pulse audio?
[23:19] <toyowheelin> the description for extrasound says it is for esound and oss
[23:19] <toyowheelin> :/
[23:20] <Githzerai> g0rs: check PA wiki, too long for IRC
[23:20] <g0rs> Githzerai: will do
[23:20] <cher> Why disable pulseaudio? Because it sucks, that's why.
[23:21] <cher> With alsa I had full control of my sound card. Now with pulse audio I cannot even change the volume on left separately from right.
[23:21] <Githzerai> toyowheelin: PA is a successor too Esound, so Flash uses Esound code to output to PA
[23:21] <g0rs> cher: exactly. it seemed like lot of features of a sound card are not enabled or visible by default
[23:22] <toyowheelin> Githzerai: oh I see
[23:22] <cher> Yes, and it's difficult to enable them, maybe even impossible. I've tried for 10 minutes or so and failed. I just can't find out how to gain control over my sound card again.
[23:22] <Githzerai> I had nos such problems with PA
[23:22] <g0rs> cher: I wanted to disable PA and switch back to ALSA or OSS
[23:24] <cher> I just don't know how to disable pulse audio.
[23:24] <Torch> cher: uninstall it.
[23:24] <Githzerai> cher: cant you just uninstall it?
[23:24] <toyowheelin> cher: in the mixer just right click the playback device and hit split channels
[23:25] <cher> toyowheelin: Okay, thanks! Now the next thing I'd like to know is how I control the headphone separately.
[23:26] <cher> And how to enable bass boost and such stuff.
[23:26] <toyowheelin> hmm not sure about bass boost
[23:26] <Githzerai> cher: for bass boost you need an eqalizer
[23:26] <toyowheelin> :/
[23:27] <cher> An equalizer? Erm no, it's just a flag of my sound card, and it used to be accessible in Alsa.
[23:27] <toyowheelin> well if its built into the card you can simply open alsamixer in a terminal and turn it on but thats not a very clean solution
[23:27] <Githzerai> is it still accesible?
[23:28] <well_laid_lawn> try   alsamixer -c 0
[23:28] <Githzerai> see. PA is a server that runs on top of ALSA
[23:28] <cher> Well, alsamixer on a terminal doesn't work properly as long as pulse audio is running.
[23:28] <Githzerai> cher hint : F6
[23:28] <toyowheelin> cher: the selection of bass boost should
[23:28] <toyowheelin> just the volume controls will be overridden
[23:29] <toyowheelin> cher: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes
[23:30] <toyowheelin> check that out also
[23:30] <toyowheelin> may be helpful in getting PA under control
[23:30] <Githzerai> toyowheelin: it basically sums to F6 :)
[23:31] <cher> I'll just uninstall this pulseaudio crap. It sucks.
[23:31] <Githzerai> that's your choice... and opinion ;)
[23:32] <cher> That I cannot change the volume of my headphones independently of the speakers is not an opinion, it's a fact.
[23:33] <cher> And that pulseaudio hides sound card features instead of making them accessible also is not an opinion but a fact.
[23:33] <toyowheelin> yeah its kinda annoying
[23:33] <g0rs> cher: alsamixer is accessible on terminal
[23:34] <toyowheelin> g0rs: almost all settings in alsamixer get overridden by pulse
[23:34] <cher> Yes, and what's the point in that if pulseaudio took control of volume control? Even in alsamixer I nolonger can change the headphone volume independently :(
[23:34] <Githzerai> cher: well, I wouldn't argue on how you use it, but I for one don't have much use of all that options in my face all the time
[23:34] <g0rs> toyowheelin: i could increase or decrease volume with alsamixer and the effects are immediate
[23:34] <Githzerai> I set it up once and thats about it
[23:35] <cher> I change the volume of my headphones regularly, not just once.
[23:35] <cher> At least I'd like to.
[23:35] <toyowheelin> g0rs: yes then change the pulse volume and anything you changed will be reset
[23:35] <g0rs> toyowheelin: its better to disable PA.
[23:37] <toyowheelin> yeah its not really a big deal for me but I can see how others might be pretty frustrated with PA
[23:37] <Githzerai> What about bluetooth headphones?
[23:37] <toyowheelin> what about them
[23:38] <Githzerai> Well, never managet to get zhem to work with ALSA
[23:38] <Githzerai> *managed
[23:38] <toyowheelin> oh
[23:38] <Githzerai> sry for typos
[23:38] <toyowheelin> never tried it
[23:38] <Githzerai> Also, there is Veromix plasmoid
[23:39] <Githzerai> which is similar to Pavucontrol in Gnome
[23:41] <toyowheelin> hmm I will have to try it
[23:43] <Githzerai> toyowheelin: music streaming from your smartphone to your PC via bluetooth is a lot of fun :)
[23:43] <toyowheelin> how do you do that
[23:43] <toyowheelin> suppose your phone has to support it
[23:44] <Githzerai> Pulseaudio :)
[23:44] <Githzerai> It's a server, so you just set your phone to use it as a sound output.
[23:45] <Githzerai> Setting up the phone is a bit tricky
[23:45] <toyowheelin> yeah figured it would be
[23:45] <Githzerai> but linux on N900 is just the same as any :)
[23:48] <Githzerai> I'm just waiting for bluetooth tethering in Bledevil+Plasma NetworkManagement, so that I can say that KDE has everything I want....