[02:21] <wilee-nilee> could we have a user removed at #ubntuforums Transhumanist
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> #ubuntuforums
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> xrated spam
[03:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> wilee-nilee, Your request will be processed and we do not permit idling here. Thanks
 bazhang go to my channel   <--- keeps soliciting people to help him in his channel
[04:32] <bazhang> seems like offtopic, and advertising
[05:09] <bazhang> all the notifier bots seem to be down
[10:31] <ikonia> hey Inquisitor thanks for joining
[10:32] <Inquisitor> no prob
[10:32] <ikonia> Inquisitor: care to explain what that bot is all about please ?
[10:32] <Inquisitor> i m connecting towards few network at a same time
[10:32] <Inquisitor> but is a trouble to connect each 1 at the same time
[10:32] <Inquisitor> so i made up a server to connect all different network channels
[10:32] <Inquisitor> at my own server
[10:32] <Inquisitor> :)
[10:32] <ikonia> ok, but that bot was relaying other peoples conversation into #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> so it was "spamming" ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> pbd: can we help you ?
[10:33] <Inquisitor> is not spamming
[10:33] <Inquisitor> i was actually talking
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: what is it doing then ?
[10:33] <Inquisitor> just now
[10:33] <Inquisitor> if i chat on my server chan it will auto relay to #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: yes, but that bot is relaying your conversations from other channels/networks into #ubuntu
[10:33] <Inquisitor> thats how it works
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: ok, well, we can't allow that
[10:33] <ikonia> Inquisitor: if you want to talk in #ubuntu, you need to join #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> pbd: can we help you ?
[10:34] <ikonia> !idle | pbd
[10:35] <ikonia> Inquisitor: if you can remove that bot from joining #ubuntu, I'll remove the ban on it's connection
[10:35] <Inquisitor> ikonia i m having an issue here with my main server
[10:35] <Inquisitor> :(
[10:35] <ikonia> I'm sorry about that
[10:36] <Inquisitor> IdleOne
[10:36] <Inquisitor> ikonia
[10:36] <Inquisitor> do u have any idea why is it happening ?
[10:36] <ikonia> no idea, I don't manage your server
[10:36] <Inquisitor> well i have updated the sql by apt-get update
[10:36] <Inquisitor> all my bloges gone....
[10:37] <ikonia> Inquisitor: I'm happy to help you in #ubuntu, if you can remove that bot from auto joining
[10:37] <Inquisitor> ok
[10:37] <Inquisitor> gimme a while
[10:38] <ikonia> Inquisitor: if you /part this channel and just rejoin when you've removed the bot, I'll remove the connection ban
[12:53] <popey> who owns twobottux?
[12:53] <popey> amithkk maybe?
[12:53] <popey> yes..
[13:05] <elky> yep
[13:17] <mcloy> helo
[13:18] <IdleOne> hello mcloy
[13:18] <mcloy> iam banned for months. may i know the reason? (#ubuntu)
[13:18] <IdleOne> How can I be of assistance today?
[13:18] <IdleOne> yes, you can.
[13:19] <IdleOne> looks like you were banned because of multiple cross postings in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server and also ban evading.
[13:20] <IdleOne> The cross posting issue is easily resolved. You just have to stop. The ban evading is a little more concerning though.
[13:21] <IdleOne> !guidelines | mcloy please have a read of the guidelines and let me know if you understand and agree to abide by them
[13:21] <ikonia> the bottom line is mcloy knew not to cross-posted, he's been asked multiple times not to do it, and just bluntly refused to stop
[13:22] <mcloy> IdleOne,  will the ban remain and should i /part or do my fingers have a future :) ?
[13:22] <IdleOne> I think that if mcloy agrees to stop cross posting we can agree to give him a chance
[13:23] <ikonia> to be honest I don't
[13:23] <IdleOne> mcloy: the ban will remain until you agree to stop doing what it is that got you banned
[13:23] <ikonia> I shouldn't have to ban someone
[13:23] <mcloy> we= "?"
[13:23] <ikonia> mcloy's attitude stinks, I spent details explaining why cross-posting was not helpful, and appox 90 seconds after that detailed explainition he did it again, and refused to comply
[13:23] <IdleOne> mcloy: we = the ops team
[13:23] <mcloy> who will lift off the ban. ? you or some other person (who banned me if may i ask in the first place)?
[13:24] <ikonia> I shouldn't have to ban someone for such a simple thing to follow, I can only asume mcloy was trying to push the rules and break them
[13:24] <ikonia> mcloy: I banned you
[13:24] <IdleOne> mcloy: ikonia is the one who set the ban and any one of the ops can remove it if they feel you understand not to repeat the behaviour
[13:24] <mcloy> IdleOne,  as you can see. its not cross posting or ban evading. its personalism coming from ikonia
[13:25] <ikonia> mcloy: I banned you because you refused to stop cross-posting
[13:25] <mcloy> IdleOne,  if you can remove it. ill be happy :)
[13:25] <IdleOne> mcloy: ok, I see. I think the ban will stay in place for another 15 days minimum.
[13:25] <IdleOne> I hope you return then with a different outlook. Have a nice day.
[13:25] <mcloy> IdleOne,  as you please ..
[13:25] <ikonia> mcloy: I asked you multiple times to not cross-post so that I didn't have to ban you as that wasn't he plan
[13:26] <ikonia> but as soon as I'd explained it in pretty long detail, you cross-posted straight after, you didn't really leave me much option
[13:26]  * mcloy doesnt cares to talk to ikonia  atleast.
[13:26] <ikonia> mcloy: in that case, if you don't want to talk to me, we are done.
 mcloy: the ban will remain until you agree to stop doing what it is that got you banned
[13:26] <LjL> mcloy: then why should we care to talk to you?
[13:26] <mcloy> IdleOne,  if i agree.. then can you lift up now?
[13:26] <mcloy> LjL,  we !=ikonia
[13:27] <mcloy> #ubuntu!=ikonia          OKAY
[13:27] <IdleOne> mcloy: unfortunately no. you chose to blame others for your behaviour instead of owning it. think about that for 2 weeks
[13:27] <LjL> mcloy: if you don't even accept to talk to one of our ops (especially the one who banned you), i'm absolutely not inclined to help you, personally.
[13:27] <mcloy> thats the truth. not a blame . its not cross posting or ban evading. its personalism coming from ikonia
[13:28] <LjL> so you did not cross post or ban evade?
[13:28] <mcloy> that is my choice. you can ban me for 15 years. i wont talk to ikonia
[13:28] <mcloy> that my choice
[13:28] <LjL> sure
[13:28] <mcloy> are you forcing me to?
[13:28] <IdleOne> mcloy: We are done for today.  Come back in 2 weeks.
[13:29] <mcloy> ok.
[13:29] <IdleOne> thank you.
[13:29] <mcloy> iam stoping using ubuntu and its support
[13:29] <IdleOne> ok.
[13:29] <IdleOne> I hear arch is good.
[13:29] <IdleOne> Please part this channel.
[13:29] <mcloy> redhat
[13:29] <mcloy> is this channel loged?
[13:30] <mcloy> :)
[13:30] <IdleOne> it is
[13:30] <IdleOne> !logs
[13:30] <mcloy> great for me
[13:30] <mcloy> bye.
[13:30] <IdleOne> bye.
[13:30] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops mcloy refuses to accept responsability for not following the rules or ban dodging. Please be aware of history when considering granting access to the channel
[13:31] <IdleOne> I tried working with him, offered him a out, he refused it :/
[13:33] <StephenS> I love ubuntu
[13:33] <IdleOne> Awesome. How can we help you?
[13:33] <ikonia> hi StephenS
[13:33] <StephenS> hi
[13:33] <StephenS> I want to become ubuntu op helper
[13:33] <StephenS> possible
[13:34] <IdleOne> !canibeanop
[13:34] <IdleOne> look at that, follow instructions. good luck :)
[13:34] <IdleOne> Please don't idle in this channel StephenS
[13:36] <Fuchs> (note that he was a bit in a goofy mood in other channels today, might need an eye on)
[13:36] <IdleOne> noted
[13:36] <LjL> more like, he's a troll
[13:37]  * Fuchs puts a deerstalker on LjL
[13:37] <Fuchs> he has his good moments, though
[13:37] <Fuchs> just seem to be some phases he goes through.  I was willing to unban you had you read and agreed to follow the guidelines. You instead chose to accuse ikonia of having personal reasons for banning you.
[14:02] <IdleOne> ikonia: I asked him to rejoin just now
[14:02] <ikonia> ahhh
[14:02] <mcloy> IdleOne,  ill sure follow the guides
[14:02] <ikonia> apoloies
[14:02] <IdleOne> mcloy: first step to redemption is accepting our own failures.
[14:03] <IdleOne> you did not.
[14:03] <mcloy> ok..
[14:03] <ikonia> mcloy: for the recording pm'ing users in other channels with abuse about me won't helpyou
[14:03] <ikonia> IdleOne: I'm sorry, I'm going to cut you off as I've just had users tell me that mcloy is pm'ing them abuse about me
[14:03] <mcloy> IdleOne,  i do.
[14:03] <IdleOne> So, now I will ask you again to wait 2 more weeks and then return here and we can discuss removing the ban at that time. asking in #freenode is not going to help because freenode staff do not get involved in channel issues
[14:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops mcloy asked to come back in 2 weeks, instead chooses to pm other users with abuse about me. Unable to participate in channels
[14:04] <mcloy> IdleOne,  i request that i have already been baned for a very long time. and its fair enough now to lift up the ban.
[14:05] <mcloy> and stop all and my self to be personalism. ubuntu is alot biger thing than personalism
[14:05] <IdleOne> mcloy: request has been processed and declined. Also, stop abusing ikonia and harassing other users.
[14:05] <mcloy> the ban will be lifted in 2 weeks?
[14:06] <mcloy> i dont even want to talk to ikonia. how can i abuse her
[14:06] <IdleOne> We will see in two weeks provided your behavious in this matter improves greatly.
[14:06] <IdleOne> behaviour*
[14:06] <ikonia> mcloy: you pm'd a user calling me an asshole and asking to get you unbanned from #ubuntu
[14:06] <ikonia> mcloy: that is unacceptable.
[14:07] <mcloy> its been a month. . more than that i think. my behaviour was nice since then. not talking to ikonia is my personal preference
[14:07] <IdleOne> mcloy: you can discuss this issue with any of the #ubuntu ops, it does not have to be ikonia.
[14:07] <mcloy> hm. glade to choose you
[14:07] <ikonia> mcloy: tell you what, come back when you WILL talk to me, because the bottom line is, you are not going back in the channel until you start talking to me/confirming you understand what I'm saying to you
[14:08] <mcloy> IdleOne,  you just said that if i follow guides. you will remain ban right now. i can promise that. please have some time to rethink. i can come back in some minutes
[14:08] <IdleOne> mcloy: 2 weeks, no sooner
[14:08] <mcloy> you said to remove right now. was that a mistake/
[14:09] <IdleOne> I did not say that
[14:09] <ikonia> IdleOne: sorry - this is unacceptalbe
[14:09] <IdleOne> I am telling you 2 weeks
[14:09] <IdleOne> ikonia: I agree. please step back.
[14:09] <ikonia> IdleOne: a users is stating he is going to ingnore an op, I have no issue with someone else dealing with this, but I'm not going to allow this to continue until it's acklowledged by the user this is unacceptable and stops
[14:10] <mcloy> thats what i was talking about. not about cross posting . its personalism. IdleOne  now you se
[14:11] <mcloy> i didnt said anything wrong or vulgure..right..?
[14:12] <mcloy> IdleOne,  so ..
[14:12] <IdleOne> mcloy: moment please
[14:12] <mcloy> IdleOne,  ok
[14:13] <IdleOne> mcloy: I have to go now. Come back at a later date when you are willing to speak with any one of the members of the ops team including ikonia. Please part the channel now.
[14:14] <mcloy> IdleOne,  i hope its not cumpulsory to talk to ikonia . as you said i can talk to any op. ill be back in some minutes.
[14:15] <ikonia> mcloy: lets make this simepl
[14:15] <ikonia> mcloy: did you cross-post yes/no
[14:15] <mcloy> or is there any other op available here now?
[14:15]  * mcloy waits for another op
[14:16] <ikonia> mcloy: if you don't answer the question, you'll not get this progressed, it's that simple
[14:16] <MrChrisDruif> mcloy; hmm?
[14:16] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  hi
[14:16] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  i asume you saw a bit of the above chat.
[14:17] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  i was requesting the ban be lifted. its been more than a month.
[14:17] <MrChrisDruif> Mostly you looked for another op? Have to read back still
[14:17] <mcloy> il recap
[14:18] <mcloy> i was baned by ikonia  for cross posting  which i to is just personalism. and i didnt wanted to talk to her.  i was requesting to lift the ban...
[14:18] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  you can read the rest
[14:18] <ikonia> mcloy: the channel is run by the operators, if you are refusing to respond to an operator, you won't be allowed back into the channel
[14:18] <MrChrisDruif> "<IdleOne> [16:05:23] mcloy: request has been processed and declined. Also, stop abusing ikonia and harassing other users."
[14:19] <ikonia> it's that simple, if you chose to repond and THEN resolve the issues, that's fine
 mcloy: I have to go now. Come back at a later date when you are willing to speak with any one of the members of the ops team including ikonia. Please part the channel now.
[14:19] <ikonia> I'm more than happy for someone else to resolve the issue, but while you are saying "I will ignore a member of the operators team" - it's not going to happen
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> "<mcloy> [16:06:06] i dont even want to talk to ikonia. how can i abuse her"
[14:20] <mcloy> ture
[14:20] <mcloy> true
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> So I'm not going to interfere here.
[14:20] <mcloy> whom to i talk to then?
[14:21] <mcloy> an op i gues. and you are one.
[14:21] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,
[14:23] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif, fellow ops are fellows but does that have to do anything with rules and justice? (IdleOne  if you are not away)
[14:23] <ikonia> mcloy: are you going to respond to me yes/no
[14:24] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  do i have a right to not to respone to an op stating in #ubuntu-ops that it will increase personalism and i have a right not to talk to ?
[14:25] <mcloy> injustice
[14:25] <ikonia> mcloy: are you going to respond yes/no
[14:25]  * mcloy waits for an op
[14:25] <mcloy> MrChrisDruif,  do i have a right to not to respone to an op stating in #ubuntu-ops that it will increase personalism and i have a right not to talk to ?
[14:29] <Tm_T> hi incog
[14:29] <incog> yes, hello
[14:29] <incog> mcloy said you were bullying him
[14:29] <incog> is this true
[14:30] <Tm_T> incog: we do not discuss issues with third party
[14:30] <LjL> incog: i'm not sure i see how it's any of your business
[14:30] <incog> he's my wife
[14:30] <IdleOne> stupid troll
[14:30] <ikonia> IdleOne: there is a lot as you said ;)
[14:31] <IdleOne> heh
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Great, now mcloy starts pm'ing me <_<"
[14:36] <Tm_T> haha
[14:36] <LjL> MrChrisDruif: you're not the only one
[14:36] <Tm_T> MrChrisDruif: just explain what's the deal
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> Seems he stopped as I didn't respond ^_^
[19:39] <mcloy> IdleOne, Daviey anyone changed his mind since then?
[19:46] <Tm_T> mcloy: have you been following requests of us ops?
[19:47] <Myrtti> I would prefer if you'd not try to pm everyone who are/were in the channel, there are people here who can't unban you at all even if they'd want to
[19:48] <mcloy> what requests...?
[19:48] <mcloy> requests of ops?
[19:48] <Tm_T> mcloy: I recall you were asked to be back later, much later than just few hours
[19:50] <mcloy> Tm_T,  just checking for any mind changing
[19:50] <Tm_T> mcloy: what needs to be changed is your behaviour
[19:50] <Tm_T> that's the only way you to regain access to #ubuntu
[19:51] <mcloy> ok. Tm_T  we can start on it
[19:51] <mcloy> what do you want me to change
[19:51] <Tm_T> mcloy: first, do not blame others of your actions, second, follow requests and instructions from us ubuntu ops, and if you disagree, discuss it here, politely
[19:52] <Tm_T> third, you do not, I repeat, you do not ignore ops
[19:52] <Tm_T> you can disagree, but ignoring an op is something I atleast won't take lightly
[19:53] <mcloy> hm..
[19:53] <mcloy> i dont want to talk to "1" op. just... to make thing calm.  i hope that will be ok
[19:54] <mcloy> iam ready to cooperate.
[19:54] <Tm_T> it's ok to want to discuss with other ops, it's not ok to ignore
[19:55] <mcloy> i told you the reason.
[19:55] <mcloy> any ways. its been 2 months now
[19:55] <mcloy> can you release the ban
[19:55] <Tm_T> time doesn't matter
[19:55] <mcloy> do  you require an oath then?
[19:56] <Tm_T> what matters, is that you show that I can trust you won't do what caused you being banned to begin with
[19:56] <mcloy> how can i do that.. oath?
[19:57] <Tm_T> no oath required
[19:57] <Tm_T> do you understand you cannot ignore the rules the operators give you?
[19:57] <mcloy> i thought waiting for 4 hours after 2 months to be part of a comunity would be enough in the first place.
[19:57] <mcloy> Tm_T,  what you require then?
[19:58] <Tm_T> discussing here
[19:58] <mcloy> ok. which part?
[19:58] <LjL> [21:57:21] <Tm_T> do you understand you cannot ignore the rules the operators give you?
[19:58] <LjL> you could start by answering that
[19:58] <mcloy> ok
[19:58] <mcloy> yes for that
[19:59] <Tm_T> mcloy: so, do you understand why you were banned?
[19:59] <mcloy> yup..
[19:59] <Tm_T> what was it?
[19:59] <mcloy> cros posting. evading a ban once. ignoreing what an op said.
[20:00] <Tm_T> and you understand why we cannot allow that?
[20:00] <mcloy> ofcourse
[20:00] <Tm_T> did you understand it back then?
[20:00] <mcloy> crystal..
[20:01] <mcloy> crystal clear i mean
[20:01] <Tm_T> interesting
[20:02] <Tm_T> so you violated our rules knowingly, which makes me wonder, what has changed
[20:02] <mcloy> 2 months remotness from ubuntu is the change.
[20:03] <Tm_T> so, if I let you back in, you do follow our guidelines and channel rules, and do respect our community
[20:03] <mcloy> Tm_T,  why do you think prisoners are release when the did crimes knowingly.
[20:03] <mcloy> Tm_T,  sure
[20:03] <Tm_T> mcloy: ban is not a punishment, prison time is
[20:03] <mcloy> hm
[20:04] <mcloy> ill follow guidelines and rules...
[20:05] <Tm_T> mcloy: this means, you also listen what any of us ops say, and if you disagree, you come here, and do not act against wishes in our other channels?
[20:05] <mcloy> ya. i understand that now... didnt knew it before
[20:06] <Tm_T> !guidelines > mcloy read this while I check something
[20:06] <mcloy> ok
[20:07] <mcloy> Tm_T,  i already had..
[20:07] <Tm_T> rereading never hurts
[20:07] <mcloy> i did that today. i ll do it again if you say so
[20:09] <mcloy> Tm_T,  done
[20:13]  * mcloy waits for Tm_T
[20:14] <Tm_T> mcloy: ban(s) has been removed, I wish you happy ircing on #ubuntu
[20:15] <mcloy> thank you.
[20:26] <Myrtti> mcloy: was there anything else you needed help with?
[20:26] <IdleOne> mcloy: I'm glad to see things got resolved, if you could part this channel now that would be great
[20:26] <mcloy> thank you all of you!
[20:27] <mcloy> can i free add a comment?
[20:27] <IdleOne> go ahead
[20:27] <mcloy> before leaving
[20:27] <mcloy> i might be wrong in many things. lack of knowledge or frustration/panic , but ikonia did became very personal with me.   ubuntu is far more a greater thing than mcloy or ikonia .  the behaviour of a designated operator should not be like ikonia 's . it has happend many times before (as i saw happening with other people and some of my friends) "rude behavriour" (suggestion for ubuntu.)
[20:28] <mcloy> i could have used another nick or ip and join #ubuntu and no one would know. but i did all that to show something.  .  it was a great talk with you all...          really.
[20:28] <IdleOne> mcloy: We appreciate your opinion and will take it into consideration.
[20:28] <mcloy> i wish good for ubuntu
[20:29] <mcloy> special thanks to all who chatted with me. infact there were so many ops
[20:29] <mcloy> ba bye!
[20:29] <Daviey> mcloy: Please make sure there is no reason for you to return :)
[20:29] <mcloy> not even to say hi?:)
[20:29] <IdleOne> you can say hi to us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:30] <mcloy> i was think i have gone quite popular any way. why not stand in elections this winter... ops contest
[20:30] <mcloy> ok..
[20:31] <mcloy> ba bye!
[20:31] <IdleOne> bye.
[20:31] <Daviey> mcloy: seriously.. people have put faith into you, so don't abuse it.  Please leave now, and be a good chappy.
[20:32] <mcloy> dont wory.  :) i can take guarantee with all other ops.. except one IF (she gets personal again)
[20:32] <Tm_T> ...
[20:32] <IdleOne> mcloy: Going to ask nicely this time, leave this channel.
[20:33] <bazhang> thats not going to work
[20:33] <mcloy> i was reply Daviey
[20:33] <mcloy> repling
[20:33] <mcloy> see you:)
[20:33] <Daviey> mcloy: leave please.
[20:33] <bazhang> mcloy, bye
[20:34] <Tm_T> oh well,I try continue discussion with him, as clearly work is not done yet
[20:34] <ikonia> just let it go
[20:34] <ikonia> he ust wants a platform, screw it


[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hey SergioMeneses
[14:28] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, hi! how is everything?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: Gd. But Noskcaj's interview is too short…
[14:40] <SergioMeneses> why short? it looks ok for me
[14:41] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: Compare :P
[14:42] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, you have to ask to Noskcaj about that
[21:02] <TheLordOfTime> who here knows who CSRedRat on Launchpad is, they're on the QA team and i've got a question about their activities and actions
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> balloons:  ping, when you're alive.
[21:42] <Noskcaj> TheLordOfTime, balloons won't be here for at least another day
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj:  okay, then tell balloons i was looking for them when they get back, there seems to be an issue with a QA team member filing a HUGE crapload of bugs saying "Update X to Y in Saucy"
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> and i think that the QA team should teach their people the correct way to handle software updates during the dev lifecycle
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> and software update requests*
[21:44] <Noskcaj> TheLordOfTime, ok. z lot of people have never even been on irc, and do everything themselves
[21:44] <Noskcaj> s/z/a
[21:44] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj:  i'm aware, but i don't have access to the mailing list for here
[21:44] <TheLordOfTime> so i can't send a reminder about it, nor would I care to
[21:44] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj:  the main offender is this "CSRedHat" guy.
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> and they seem to not know jack about the autosyncs
[21:45] <Noskcaj> i'll have a look
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> and they also don't seem to check for active bugs such as merge requests
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> case in point bug #1179066
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> they filed 1177919 and its already inprogress
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> (mitya57's on the merge)
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> and before that a couple days ago i caught a huge flurry of update requests to latest upstream revisions
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> for various software
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> which may/may not be in Debian
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> (i.e. the software versions requested may or may not be in Debian)
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> and it's raised a few "red flags" with the level  of bug filings.
[21:47] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll try and find whoever CSRedHat is
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> thank you kindly.
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> erm... whatever.
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> (for the bug numbers)
[21:47]  * TheLordOfTime drifts back to -bugs
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj:  in case you care, http://tinyurl.com/csredhat-bugs  <-- list of the bugs in question, sort by bug number and look for anything starting with "Update", there's at least 14 there.
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> :P


[00:53] <denis> bonjour
[00:58] <bazhang> !fr | denis
[01:20] <denis> i have some problem to install skype 2.0
[01:20] <denis> :(
[01:29] <ptomblin> Isn't Skype 4 out for Linux now?
[01:30] <ptomblin> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[01:33] <HeatBanger> certainly but my kubuntu require the 2
[01:33] <HeatBanger> i don't understand
[01:33] <HeatBanger> i'm running under the 12.04
[02:35] <RamchandraApte> hello
[02:36] <RamchandraApte> I have graphics tearing on my computer in desktop effects. It has Intel HD integrated graphics.
[02:37] <RamchandraApte> Any ideas?
[02:37] <RamchandraApte> It seems that my graphics card is in the Chromium blacklist for WebGL.
[02:38] <RamchandraApte> I'll try updating.
[02:40] <xixor> as far as I know the intel HD integrated graphics works well in linux?
[02:41] <RamchandraApte> xixor: they work but sometimes glitches too happens
[02:42] <xixor> is this the 3000, or 4000?
[02:45] <RamchandraApte> I think 3000
[02:46] <RamchandraApte> how to figure that out?
[02:46] <RamchandraApte> kinfocenter doesn't say anything about the model
[02:46] <RamchandraApte> it just says "2nd generation core processer..."
[02:47] <RamchandraApte> it uses the i915 module
[02:50] <xixor> RamchandraApte: lshw
[02:50] <xixor> RamchandraApte: or maybe dmidecode | grep 3000
[02:51] <xixor> RamchandraApte: or maybe dmesg | grep 3000
[02:52] <RamchandraApte> nothing useful came out
[02:52] <xixor> you changed it to 4000 as well?
[02:53] <xixor> maybe lspci -v | less
[02:54] <xixor> RamchandraApte: or from the KDE menu, or from krunner, run Information Sources
[02:54] <RamchandraApte> nothing useful there
[03:31] <ptomblin> Wow!    The others are fine.
[04:54] <melvincv> Hi. Just installed Kubuntu. What is the Activity Manager bar for?
[04:58] <melvincv> hi, anyone?
[04:58]  * melvincv wonders if installing KDE was a mistake
[05:14] <RamchandraApte> melvincv:hello
[05:21] <phiscribe> melvincv, you can define what amounts to "desktops" as an activity.  for example one activity with icons for graphics, images and design and another for music, radio and video
[05:23] <phiscribe> couple that with the desktop options for desktop, search and launch, and folder view you have a wide range of options
[07:04] <manyu> hi
[07:53] <floown> Hi
[07:54] <floown> I try to remove a program manually installed. This does not work http://paste.ubuntu.com/1371956/
[07:54] <floown> How to retrieve the name of the program to remove?
[08:00] <d_ed> floown: so what is ecofax?
[08:00] <d_ed> the name of the application? the package name?
[08:01] <floown> d_ed: http://www.ovh.fr/sms_et_fax/logiciel_ecofax.xml
[08:01] <floown> I have try to install the 64 bits version
[08:02] <floown> EcoFax-1.1.2.x86_64.deb is the name of the deb
[08:02] <d_ed> but you're trying to remove something in the first past
[08:02] <d_ed> ah
[08:02] <d_ed> *the first paste
[08:02] <floown> d_ed: yes, I can't upgrade
[08:04] <floown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1371970/ d_ed
[08:57] <skreech_> floown: got it solved?
[08:57] <floown> skreech_: yes, thx
[08:57] <skreech_> What did you do?
[08:58] <floown> I had edit manually the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ecofax.prerm and add exit 0 before the set -a
[08:59] <floown> then I can apply a dpkg -P --force-all ecofax
[08:59] <skreech_> ah ok
[08:59] <skreech_> great
[09:05] <Mmike> Hello! Is there a widget that will show my my current outgoing IP?
[09:45] <vbgunz> anyone know why smplayer and/or vlc have massive problems when it comes to stopping the screensaver and sleep mode? I swear, the screen saver comes up in 15 minutes, if I watch a movie pass 15 the screen saver kicks in. If I disable the screen saver the pc will go to sleep in 45 while a movie is in full screen. what could possibly cause this?
[09:48] <thelionroars> your screensaver is set to start after 15 minutes, and you pc to sleep after 45 minutes of no activity
[09:52] <vbgunz> yes, correct, watching a move in full screen should stop these but smplayer nor vlc have this ability anymore. this is a primitive ability and should have been nailed a long time ago. for it to exists today is a blasphemy against the bare minimum of what a video player should do today. I really hate troubleshooting every single thing, I just want to use the bleeping thing
[09:52] <vbgunz> I swear, I feel like every single thing needs to be tweaked, how the hell are we not passed that?
[10:05] <kyubotsu> perhaps such notion is only a matter of preference. i, for instance, have only changed two things : the application background color and removed the active window glow effect
[10:05] <kyubotsu> everything else is in its default state and i don't have issues with that
[10:07] <kyubotsu> then again, changing the timing of a screensaver is also a user's preference thing
[10:15] <kyubotsu> but sure... from a users perspective it would be nice if one could watch a movie without attending to a mouse . then i remind myself that i also have a dvd player and other devices that specialize in doing this so.. touche
[10:23] <kyubotsu> also, my system doesnt go into sleep mode automatically. only the screen goes blank .  locking the screen, sleep mode, suspend , i have to select myself from the  Leave menu
[10:30] <vbgunz> kyubotsu: ?
[10:31] <kyubotsu> ?
[10:32] <liquidat> Hi there - my telepathy does not connect to ICQ anymore, is this a known problem?
[10:43] <robotdevil> if I want to install gnome shell in kubuntu 12.04 ...apt-get install gnome-shell?
[12:30] <cjae> If I use zion theme.... how do I  change the color of the font in firefox and google search etc... the font is white and does not show up with white background
[12:31] <cjae> but love the white here on quassel etc
[12:41] <Mmike> is there a widget (plasmoid?) that will list me all open windows on all the workspaces (so I can easily click on it and move there?)
[12:46] <ozzzy_> Mmike: move your mouse up to the top left corner
[12:47] <Mmike> WO-HA!
[12:47] <Mmike> ozzzy_, neat ;)
[12:47] <Mmike> not what I had in mind, but I might get used to this :)
[12:47] <ozzzy_> if you don't like top left... you can set to any position along the edge
[13:04] <pilbar> help ??
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:05] <Peace-> hola BluesKaj
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace-
[13:05] <Peace-> pilbar: what's your problem ?
[13:06] <pilbar> i'll have read up this - im 72 and never done it
[13:06] <pilbar> bye 4 now
[13:06] <Peace-> pilbar: 100 years of live and 101 of learning
[13:07] <Peace-> bye
[13:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, wonder what his prob was
[13:12] <mweijts> i have problems to set Firefox and Thunderbird in a other language, I installed the firefox-local-nl and Thunderbird-local-nl (quantal), in FF and TB is see the language pack in the add-ons, but everthing keeps English
[13:16] <Peace-> mweijts:    open konsole =>  this is for german but i am sure you can do with modifications for nl  LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 ; firefox
[13:16] <Peace-> i guess it should be
[13:17] <Peace-> LANG=nl_nl.UTF-8 ; firefox
[13:17] <Peace-> if it works and you can not find a solution the trick is to modify the launcher
[13:17] <Peace-> mweijts: ^
[13:18] <mweijts> gonna try
[13:21] <Peace-> LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8 ; firefox     mweijts
[13:22] <Peace-> :) capital NL  missing
[13:26] <mweijts> Peace-: TB is dutch language now, gonna try FF
[13:37] <mweijts> Peace-: thats working from a terminal FF an TB, but when i start from the menu its still English
[13:38] <Peace-> mweijts: kdesudo kate /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
[13:38] <Peace-> CRTL F  exec
[13:39] <Peace-> try to modify that file with the new string
[13:45] <mweijts> Peace-: thx for the help both are now working
[14:20] <cubbybear> Can someone recommend a email client that will import all the structure from kmail/kaddressbook and import and export to Google mail and calendar. I am using KDE 4.9.3 and kontact is just not usable. Constantly not able to filter, download, and constantly unable to open mail folders.
[14:23] <BehindComputer> hi
[14:23] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, thunderbird
[14:25] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: Thanks the more they improve Kontact  the less functional it seems to get. This set up is a new set up of 12.10 and it is mostly broken out of the box. Thanks for listening to my unproductive rant.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, I tried kmail kontact and the PIM , giving them a chance several times , but kmail would just segfault after a week or so . I finally decided to give it up fro good.Besisdes thunderbird does the job for me
[14:32] <BluesKaj> it's unfortunate that the same kmail bug is reported several times per week , but nothing is being done , or so it seems
[14:55] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: I know, I am a very loyal KDE fan, but Kontact just seems to get more and more disfunctional. For me a pim just needs to function with out problem.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, the pim suite on kubuntu isn't as successful as it is on other OSs from what I've read
[15:00] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i got a problem, i upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and now with lighdm i can only choose between two users: test and guest, but i do not see my username and i cannot type in my username.  With xdm everything works fine. I tried to modify ligtdm.conf with "greeter-show-manual-login=true" but it has no effect, does anybody now this problem or can help me?
[15:01] <FlashDeluxe> PS I am using ldap for user authentification
[15:06] <ovidiu-florin> hello, I received some updates today, and int the Muon Update manager, no matter on which update I click I see the same description: http://paste.kde.org/611396/ is this normal? It hasn't happened before.
[15:09] <tsimpson> ovidiu-florin: more than one binary package can be generated from the same source package, so a change in one source package can produce several binary package updates
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: can you also help me with annother thing? since I received the update to kernel 3.2.0-33-generic-pae a few days ago I can't theter my phone on USB anymore. is this related?
[15:18] <tsimpson> it's possible, you should have the previous kernel still so try booting into that and see if the error persists
[15:19] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't made any other changes since then, except... I uninstalled bcmwl-kernel-source
[15:20] <ovidiu-florin> and I did that because my broadcom wireless card was not working anymore
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> I'll give it a try
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: thank you
[15:21] <tsimpson> you're welcome
[16:54] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, where's the proxy located ?
[16:54] <phunyguy_work> lol wrong channel, but it is at home while I am at work connected via openvpn.
[16:55] <phunyguy_work> i use ssh to forward oprt 1080 there
[16:55] <phunyguy_work> port**
[16:55] <phunyguy_work> and then map localhost:1080 as socks host in proxy settings
[16:56] <phunyguy_work> works great fro most things like aptitude, firefox, irc, facebook chat, google chat, just no gwibber and twitter it seems.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, well if do a whois , I get a florida location , but traceroute shows at final IP in Newark NJ
[16:57] <phunyguy_work> a whois on me?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:57] <phunyguy_work> interesting, my house is in Georgia just over the border
[16:57] <BluesKaj> interesting how these snodes work
[16:57] <phunyguy_work> but I also get banner ads for Madison Wisconsin
[16:57] <phunyguy_work> (find girls in Madison now!)
[16:58] <phunyguy_work> anyways.  It works on my laptop when at home.  but my work PC wont play nice
[16:58] <BluesKaj> oops , phunyguy_work , you're right . it is Ga
[16:59] <phunyguy_work> I work out of Jacksonville, Florida, and live in Kingsland, GA.  I VPN to home to get around silly work restrictions.
[16:59] <BluesKaj> I see
[16:59] <phunyguy_work> had to find an open outgoing port (TCP 1935 was the ONLY one) so that I could get a tunnel going on that port.
[17:00] <phunyguy_work> I just send all my internet traffic through it.
[17:00] <phunyguy_work> all works except gwibber it seems
[17:12] <melvincv> well, I still cannot figure out the difference between new Activities and desktop workspaces...
[17:13] <melvincv> I mean the activity manager
[17:13] <datruth> Is there something betterthan virtualbox it seems to be the main cause of freezing and locking up my kubuntu system
[17:13] <melvincv> Is there a way to disable that?
[17:13] <datruth> I'm on 12.04
[17:14] <melvincv> datruth: kvm or qemu
[17:15] <datruth> kvm is a software?
[17:15] <melvincv> datruth: yes, not much better feature wise though
[17:15] <melvincv> actually worse
[17:15] <datruth> :(
[17:15] <melvincv> I tried it on fedora
[17:16] <datruth> is virtualbox supposed to be the best out of the bunch?
[17:16] <melvincv> I'm amazed by the effects here, compared to Unity...
[17:16] <melvincv> the desktop is very... pretty.
[17:16] <BluesKaj> datruth, what about a real install
[17:17] <datruth> BluesKaj: a real install?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> instead of VB'
[17:17] <phunyguy_work> I love Virtualbox, never had any freezing issues.
[17:17] <melvincv> couple of bugs though, got to report them
[17:18] <datruth> BluesKaj: In that case I don't need a real install I need it to be virtualized.
[17:18] <datruth> phunyguy_work: are you on 12.04 or 12.10?
[17:18] <phunyguy_work> datruth: yes.
[17:18] <phunyguy_work> (both)
[17:19] <datruth> phunyguy_work: no problems on either?
[17:19] <phunyguy_work> but not kubuntu, just ubuntu, but I have used it on kde and it works great there too
[17:19] <datruth> this is like the 4th 5th time my system has locked up due to virtualbox
[17:19] <phunyguy_work> (on both versions)
[17:19]  * datruth wonders if his kubuntu is trashed
[17:19] <datruth> perhaps ubuntu might be a better fit
[17:19] <BluesKaj> datruth, you mean in your case , well those are the problems you have to deal with if you must use VB
[17:20] <phunyguy_work> You would think VB would run better under KDE... the gui is qt4, no?
[17:21] <datruth> BluesKaj: right ok
[17:21] <melvincv> one is with the activity manager. the shell crashes many times when I create a new activity and click 'add widgets' and 'activities'
[17:22] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj, I entertained KMS, but has issues with network bridging, I wanted the VMs to have an IP on my LAN, not NAT.  network-manager wouldn't allow it.
[17:22] <phunyguy_work> had*
[17:22] <phunyguy_work> in fact for my usage I had to have the VMs visible on the network, due to
[17:22] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, yes qt is the default style engine
[17:22] <phunyguy_work> errr oops
[17:23] <phunyguy_work> due to the clients needing to check in with a server, and be recognized by mac.
[17:23] <melvincv> Anyway, I'll stick with KDE for a while... report a few crashes and bugs.
[17:23] <phunyguy_work> but VirtualBox just works for me/
[17:24] <melvincv> How does Wine work? They say Wine does not like desktop compositing...
[17:25] <datruth> is 12.10 stable or still in betta?
[17:25] <melvincv> datruth: stable
[17:25] <datruth> hrmm okay
[17:25] <melvincv> but has bugs... every software has them anyway :)
[17:26] <datruth> time for an dist-upgrade maybe that'll stop the lockups
[17:26] <xixor> datruth: 12.10 has been very stable for me
[17:26] <datruth> nice
[17:26] <melvincv> no show stoppers so far. Tiny bugs only :)
[17:26] <datruth> from 12.04 apt-get dist-upgrade will take me to 12.10 or the latest beta?
[17:28] <phunyguy_work> 12.10.
[17:28] <phunyguy_work> I would imagine anyway
[17:28] <BluesKaj> datruth, 12.10 is in official release , not beta , and has been for 6 weeks
[17:28] <phunyguy_work> do-release-upgrade still a valid command?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> yers
[17:29] <BluesKaj> err yes :)
[17:29] <phunyguy_work> :)
[17:31] <phunyguy_work> ewps.
[17:31] <phunyguy_work> that's what i get for messing around.
[17:33] <xixor> I'd like to know how much of (k/x/u)buntus install base on desktops (not servers), runs LTS releases for > 2 years
[17:34] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[17:36] <xixor> I haven't encountered a single person running 10.04 LTS
[17:40] <xixor> I always find it funny when linux installs ask if they want you to participate in keeping statistics of which packages are installed to help them understand which packages are popular.  I'm downloading the packages from your repositories, I'm giving you that information whether I click this box or not
[17:47] <datruth> Hrmm I guess no 12.10 for me the moon software app isn't detecting it
[17:48] <bazhang> datruth, make sure that it allows non-LTS upgrades
[17:50] <datruth> gotcha
[17:52] <bazhang> datruth, I'm not on Kubuntu right now, so I cannot say where muon keeps that setting
[17:54] <datruth> bazhang: found it thanks :)
[17:54] <bazhang> :)
[18:00] <datruth> wow lots of updates
[18:00] <datruth> almost 2000
[19:05] <ricardo_> prueba
[19:49] <centran> I just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and get a black/blank screen after the splash screen
[19:49] <centran> I can ctrl+alt+f1 which is what I am doing now
[20:32] <BluesKaj> centran, run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade , then reboot
[20:34] <centran> allready tried that
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ok , centran any errors?
[20:38] <centran> no errors just a blank screen after the splash screen
[20:38] <centran> I can ctrl+alt+f1 which is what I am doing now
[20:40] <BluesKaj> centran, which graphics card ?
[20:43] <centran> nvidia quadro
[20:44] <BluesKaj> centran, ok, sudo service lightdm stop , assuming you're running 12.04 or higher
[20:45] <BluesKaj> centran, then , sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , then sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[20:48] <BluesKaj> centran, reinstalling kdm won't help youy btw
[20:53] <centran> yeah I thought kubuntu ditched kdm in favor of lightdm
[20:54] <BluesKaj> they did on 12.04 and 12.10 afaik
[20:55] <BluesKaj> I tried reinstalling kdem too ,but it didn't solve my blackscreen login problem either
[20:55] <BluesKaj> err kdm
[20:56] <BluesKaj> installing the nvidia-current driver fixed it
[21:00] <centran> well time to restart and hope it works
[21:01] <BluesKaj> if you ran the commands I posted. no need to restart
[21:13] <dahlia> how can I tell kde to not use my gpu for anything? it makes my 3d apps slow down
[21:16] <BluesKaj> your gpu should relieve your cpu thereby speeding things up , otherwise your 3D apps would be even slower
[21:18] <dahlia> I dont want my gpu to do desktop effects, I want it to be dedicated to my 3d apps only
[21:19] <xixor> setting the renderer from OpenGl to XRender might do that
[21:19] <xixor> or disable desktop effects
[21:19] <dahlia> I tried xrender but didnt seem to help. I only see "disable at startup"
[21:20] <dahlia> or "enable at startup"
[21:20] <xixor> alt+shift+F12 can be used to toggle desktop effects off/on
[21:20] <BluesKaj> dahlia, well , if you find a control app that can do that for , please let us know
[21:21] <BluesKaj> for you
[21:21] <dahlia> tried alt/shift/f12 but no effect
[21:21] <dahlia> Ill try unclicking enable at startup and rebooting
[21:21] <dahlia> or can I just relog?
[21:22] <BluesKaj> dahlia, which graphics card ?
[21:22] <dahlia> nvidia 8600gtx
[21:23] <dahlia> there seems to be some strange interaction between kwin and opengl and when my 3d apps use a lot of resources kwin dies
[21:25] <BluesKaj> then you should be happy to have the gpu do your heavy lifting , it runs graphical apps much more efficiently than the cpu , that's what a graphics card is supposed to do ... there must be some other app slowing down your 3d apps
[21:25] <dahlia> no I dont want kwin to use the GPU at all
[21:25] <dahlia> I need my 3d apps to perform, I dont need fancy window effects
[21:26] <BluesKaj> dahlia, well , good luck  ...then turn off the desktop effects
[21:28] <dahlia> ok I guess reboot did it, alt-shift-f12 didnt
[21:29] <xixor> that's strange
[21:29] <xixor> there are only a couple of desktop effects that eat GPU afaik... blur, transparency, wobbly windows
[21:29] <xixor> a few of the task switching effects, desktop cube
[21:30] <dahlia> the effects are nice and if I had a better computer I'd probably use them :)
[21:30] <dahlia> but I dont :(
[21:31] <Mic4cH> hi
[21:32] <BluesKaj> I'm not a gamer and my pc is getting old , but desktop effects are nice to have
[21:33] <dahlia> I turn off Aero on windows too, nothing against you guys :)
[21:33] <u19809> hi all I have tree problems with precise pangolin :
[21:33] <u19809> 1. my duals screen forgets its layout after reboot
[21:33] <u19809> 2. I cannot enable 3d effects on my desktop
[21:33] <u19809> 3. I have changed the look of KDE but my mozilla's menubar does not follow the look.
[21:33] <u19809> Any suggestions ?
[21:33] <FloodBotK1> u19809: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:34] <u19809> not flooding . just entering three lines
[21:34] <u19809> Can type fast ;)
[21:34] <u19809> albeit with a lot of type-o's though
[21:34] <dahlia> cant argue with a bot :P
[21:35] <u19809> well its detection algo is a bot too sharp then :)
[21:35] <Mic4cH> alt+ctrl+F12 isnt work for 3d effects?
[21:36] <dahlia> didnt work for me
[21:36] <yofel> try enabling kwin debug output in kdebugdialog, log out, then monitor ~/.xsession-errors for errors while you try to enable the effects
[21:36] <Mic4cH> what graphic card?
[21:38] <dahlia> nvidia 8600gtx
[21:40] <Mic4cH> are u using drivers from nvidia?
[21:41] <dahlia> ya, nvidia-current i think
[21:41] <dahlia> its working ok now that I rebooted with effects of
[21:42] <dahlia> *off
[21:43] <lordievader> u19809: Under System Settings -> Display and Monitor you can click Save as Default, this should fix your first problem.
[21:44] <Mic4cH> do u have turned it on like this? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Yh85C7RqZJs/Tb1wOCLGNHI/AAAAAAAAAL0/KYyyX-yoi5o/s1600/Additional+Drivers+unity.png
[21:45] <u19809> well that was a good excerise : alt-ctrl-f12 = black screen, no more X, reboot needed, after reboot no X because plasmadesktop goes bezerk and also virtuso-t.  had to disable everything again
[21:45] <u19809> lordievader : i tried this but It does not remember it ...
[21:45] <u19809> other remarks i had not seen...
[21:45] <lordievader> u19809: Have you installed the driver for your card?
[21:45] <u19809> yes ... nvidia
[21:46] <Mic4cH> hey try alt+shift+F12 with only one monitor
[21:46] <u19809> and it is loaded ... no errors
[21:47] <lordievader> u19809: Is Xinerama enabled?
[21:47] <u19809> where ?
[21:47] <lordievader> u19809: Probably somewhere in the Nvidia control panel, however in order to enable Desktop Effects this should not be enabled.
[21:48] <u19809> should not or must not ?
[21:49] <lordievader> u19809: Composite and Xinerama are not compatible, so no it should not be enabled.
[21:49] <u19809> where is the nvidia control panel ?
[21:50] <lordievader> u19809: Not sure, don't run Nvidia here. But probably somewhere under Settings/System/Utilities (this all in the Application menu).
[21:51] <u19809> Another problem I have btw is that when I boot and log on, I cannot click on items like the entries in the 'K' menu.  when I zap the X server and log back on then it works ?
[21:51] <dahlia> just type nvidia in the search thingie
[21:51] <lordievader> u19809: Let's start with one problem and go from there, ok?
[21:51] <u19809> ok
[21:51] <u19809> I have font the config
[21:52] <u19809> Cant see any refs to xinerama ... and the config shows both displays perfectly well
[21:54] <lordievader> u19809: While back since I last saw an nVidia control panel, this page seems to have a Xinerama option, don't know how old the image/driver is...: http://askubuntu.com/questions/156676/unable-to-apply-settings-to-nvidia-x-server-settings
[21:56] <u19809> nope, that screen has changed, presumably auto detect
[21:58] <lordievader> u19809: Xinerama is not something to autodetect... What kind of error do you get when you try to enable the desktop effects?
[21:59] <u19809> a kwin message pops up stating that the following 3d items could not be enabled and then a whole list
[22:00] <lordievader> u19809: Under the Advanced tab, what compositing type is used and what graphics system?
[22:00] <u19809> opengl
[22:01] <u19809> Graphics system I do  not see
[22:01] <u19809> 2 optoins for opengl : 2 shaders and vsync
[22:03] <lordievader> u19809: It's Qt graphics system it is right under Compositing type.
[22:04] <u19809> no I only see 'general options'
[22:05] <lordievader> u19809: Hmm... oke, what happens when you put it on Xrender? (Compositing type)
[22:06] <u19809> open gl disables
[22:06] <u19809> ok ... now things are better ... I see translucency  and no kwin message
[22:08] <lordievader> u19809: Ok so now we know that the problem is the graphics driver :). Xrender is using the cpu to render everything, however you do want to use the GPU (OpenGL).
[22:08] <lordievader> u19809: How did you install the nVidia driver?
[22:08] <u19809> using the nvidia download and run the bin ... did say messages about mesagl etc
[22:09] <Mic4cH> from nvidia site normal *.deb or additional driver
[22:09] <u19809> additional
[22:09] <lordievader> u19809: Hmm.. Could you uninstall that one and install the driver through the Jockey?
[22:10] <u19809> the what ?
[22:10] <lordievader> Mic4cH: Last driver I got from there also was a .bin, AMD also gives you .bin's.
[22:10] <Mic4cH> amd
[22:10] <Mic4cH> and this isnt gf?
[22:10] <lordievader> u19809: Jockey = Additional Drivers. A easy to use tool to install drivers.
[22:10] <Mic4cH> from nvidia?
[22:11] <lordievader> Mic4cH: gf?
[22:11] <Mic4cH> ok so there are bins .run
[22:11] <Mic4cH> yea
[22:11] <lordievader> Mic4cH: Ah yes, I stand corrected.
[22:12] <Mic4cH> i missed that asker changed sry:P
[22:12] <BluesKaj> u19809, alt +F2 , type in jockey
[22:12] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It is a good idea to first uninstall the current driver.
[22:12] <lordievader> u19809: You should look in the nVidia manual on how to do that.
[22:13] <BluesKaj> lordievader, the nviodai installer will uninstall the drivber
[22:13] <BluesKaj> nvidia
[22:13]  * BluesKaj reaches for his glasses
[22:13] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Even if it is a manual install?
[22:13] <BluesKaj> yes it detects the existing driver
[22:14] <BluesKaj> that's what jockey is all about
[22:15] <u19809> ok ... will try that tomorrow ... need to go to bed ... more on this tomorrow Thx
[22:15] <BluesKaj> yeah , time for the news etc ... been on here long enough today
[22:45] <wissam> Hi ,"Manual partitioning in installer crashes when handling many partitions " How can i fix this ?
[22:45] <wissam> I'm trying to install kubuntu 12.10
[22:49] <march84> hello
[22:49] <march84> just found out by coincidence tonight
[22:49] <march84> is it normal that rekonq has GTK dialogs for upload?
[22:50] <avihay> wissam_: try to use gparted from the live cd?
[22:51] <avihay> march84: it's probably better to ask in #rekonq
[22:52] <wissam> avihay: My problem is not with making the partions but the installer stops befor begining the disk setup
[22:52] <march84> thanks, but it's something that all browsers actually do
[22:52] <march84> and i am using kubuntu
[22:53] <avihay> is disconnecting devices a viable option? there's also the alternative installer on the alt-cd
[22:53] <avihay> it should be more robust
[23:00] <wissam_> avihay: so i should download the dvd image again?
[23:01] <avihay> the alternative-cd, or however it's called nowadays
[23:05] <wissam_> can i install kubuntu from the command line ?
[23:06] <avihay> it's an ncurses based installer
[23:08] <17WAAPWV0> ok thnx