[05:34] <epimeth> amachu: there is absolutely nothing to see, mate... it is *exactly* the same as logging in as a regular user
[05:34] <amachu> LjL: tell me the way...
[05:34] <michael> isnt that wrong :(?
[05:34] <amachu> epimeth: wanna try once
[05:34] <imagine_> epimeth: with the added risk of screwin up your system;)
[05:34] <LjL> michael: how could i know, i don't even know what that command is *supposed* to do
[05:34] <michael> haha
[05:34] <epimeth> amachu: older distros had it enabled and defaulted with a red background and a big warning saying "YOU ARE LOGGED IN AS ROOT. BE CAREFUL, DIPSTICK!"
[05:35] <LjL> amachu, if you really want to do that, take the time to find out how to do it by yourself
[05:35] <dr_willis> or just kill kdm, login as root to a console. and run startx
[05:36] <dr_willis> dont expect anything amazing however.
[05:36] <epimeth> LjL: I did that once... low level format... I'm still shaking, but happily it *did* fix my corrupted sectors :-)
[05:36] <rothchild> lol@kilrae
[05:36] <joshua__> hello people
[05:36] <epimeth> kilrae_: I agree... it is awesome :-)
[05:36] <epimeth> joshua__: ahoy!
[05:36] <amachu> LjL: :-)
[05:37] <joshua__> epimeth hey
[05:37] <amachu> i got i suppose
[05:37] <joshua__> new to this just got kubuntu set up seems ok
[05:38] <epimeth> joshua__: congrats!  and welcome :-)
[05:38] <joshua__> first walk outside of windows
[05:38] <eeanm> haha ESR just quit using Fedora and threatens to use Ubuntu
[05:38] <eeanm> everyone watch out
[05:38] <eeanm> though actually this is old news
[05:38] <eeanm> so never mind :P
[05:38] <rothchild> good stuff joshua__ stick at it
[05:39] <joshua__> kubuntu is good yes ?
[05:39] <BWolf85> yes
[05:39] <joshua__> cool
[05:39] <rothchild> uh hu it's good
[05:40] <epimeth> meh... wikipedia says ESR's a bit of an @ss... I'll take their word for it :-)
[05:40] <rothchild> ESR?
[05:40] <epimeth> eric s. raymond
[05:40] <epimeth> http://www.catb.org/~esr/
[05:42] <rothchild> ooh pretty prolific
[05:42] <dr_willis> that will really make Fedora act better... not.
[05:43] <epimeth> dr_willis: its like smacking their wrist with a sweedish fish :-D
[05:43] <dthacker> bork bork bork!
[05:44] <sivaji> speaker is not working in kubuntu but  it is fine in windows
[05:45] <dr_willis> Egads Its a WindowsOnly Speaker!
[05:45] <dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <dr_willis> Or are you refering to the SoundCard?
[05:47] <epimeth> sivaji: you just need the drivers...
[05:48] <sivaji> can u tell me driver package name
[05:48] <dr_willis> and the sound card is?
[05:49] <sivaji> i could hear sound before i halt my system last time
[05:49] <Neil-> anyone here use terminatorX or similar dj programme?
[05:49] <Neil-> its majorly chuggy when playing mp3s
[05:50] <Neil-> theinterface is fast, but mp3s are so jerky
[05:50] <Jucato> Dhraakellian: are you using Konversation?
[05:50] <Dhraakellian> yes
[05:50] <Jucato> you can see the topic without typing /topic
[05:51] <Dhraakellian> Jucato: if you're not already in the channel?
[05:51] <Jucato> ah you mean you just left?
[05:51] <Jucato> oh ok (weird usage :P)
[05:51] <Dhraakellian> just joined
[05:52] <sivaji> jucato help me i got some problem with speaker and headset
[05:52] <Jucato> sivaji: sorry, no idea. (i've been watching... but no idea sorry)
[05:52] <sivaji> ok
[05:53] <malik__> have they released the erata fix for fiesty yet?
[05:53] <sivaji> LjL  i got some problem with speaker and headset
[05:53] <LjL> sivaji, i suggest you stop highlighting people randomly.
[05:54] <sivaji> u r always finding some fault
[05:54] <LjL> and yet you're still in this channel
[05:54] <LjL> so, don't complain and don't be annoying.
[05:55] <sivaji> ok help me if u can
[05:55] <joshua__> amarok plays mp3's good
[05:55] <joshua__> listening to that esr dude
[05:56] <Dhraakellian> lame
[05:57] <SlimeyPete> I wouldn't listen to ESR.... it's only a short step from that to listening to Richard Stallman singing about Free Software.
[05:57] <rothchild> sivaji is the volume turned up?
[05:57] <Dhraakellian> And that's not good, hackers. That's not good
[05:58] <dr_willis> Lenard Nemoy Singing about BillBo Baggins!
[05:58] <blue_chicken> hi guys :) i have a 2.6.20-15-generic kernel and i need to get its sources ... but there's only 2.6.20 and 2.6.20.[1...11]  versions on kernel.org ... so what version should i download? thanks
[05:58] <dr_willis> :0
[05:58] <SlimeyPete> blue_chicken: there're source packages in the repos
[05:58] <Dhraakellian> dr_willis: not as bad
[05:58] <Dhraakellian> Nimoy actually has some talent
[05:58] <rothchild> I think I'd rather hear Stallman sing about software than ESR rant on about his (alleged) race hatred
[05:58] <LjL> !kernel > blue_chicken    (blue_chicken, see the private message from Ubotu)
[05:58] <dr_willis> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFM90ZbWUek
[05:58] <dr_willis> :)
[05:59] <Dhraakellian> and it's available in better quality than RMS's song
[05:59] <dr_willis> gotta love the wacked out  70's
[06:00] <blue_chicken> SlimeyPete, are u sure? i searched ubuntu's site and found no deb packs with kernel source... :(
[06:00] <blue_chicken> SlimeyPete, are there any special apt-egt command to download MY kernel source version?
[06:00] <LjL> blue_chicken, there are source packages for *every* binary package
[06:00] <SlimeyPete> blue_chicken: yep. "linux-source" or "linux-source-2.6.20"
[06:01] <SlimeyPete> though they won't show up if you don't have the source repository enabled (you probably do)
[06:01] <LjL> !info linux-source-2.6.20
[06:01] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.20: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.20 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20-15.27 (feisty), package size 46684 kB, installed size 46816 kB
[06:01] <blue_chicken> oh... i searched kernel-source pack... lol :) thankjs :_)
[06:01] <blue_chicken> THANKS! :)
[06:01] <SlimeyPete> blue_chicken: the packages will shove the source in /usr/src, IIRC
[06:02] <LjL> blue_chicken, the guide i had Ubotu send you has them anyway
[06:02] <compilerwriter> Open Office just hung on me what is my best option?
[06:02] <Daisuke-Ido> pray
[06:03] <SlimeyPete> kill it and start again.
[06:03] <Daisuke-Ido> fortunately the document recovery works most of the time
[06:03] <SlimeyPete> it can recover files, iirc
[06:04] <Daisuke-Ido> i eventually just started using abiword :\  better for writing quick papers
[06:04] <ahmed> hi guys, i have just installed ubuntu,, i have  2gb core duo intel processor ,wat should i do to make ubuntu recongnize or use the daul core fully... i heard i shud recompile the kernel or so ..plz helpppp
[06:05] <dr_willis> you heard wrong.
[06:05] <dr_willis> it should see/use them from the start
[06:05] <dr_willis> try $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:09] <ahmed> PCLinuxOS 2007 did any one hear abt it ????
[06:10] <Dhraakellian> cd<pageup> should bring me to the last time I used cd
[06:10] <ahmed> guys wats the difference between PCLinuxOS 2007 and ubuntu,..
[06:11] <_Shade_> i have just installed fvmw crystal... can i apply themes for fvmw and how can i do it?
[06:11] <Dhraakellian> they're different distros.  that's about all I know
[06:11] <Dhraakellian> iirc, PCLOS is rpm-based
[06:14] <PeterJB> Hi
[06:15] <dr_willis>  PCLinuxOS 2007  was well.. i will be nice and just say.. Ubuntu worked better for me...
[06:15] <dr_willis> Ive yet to see a disrto work as good on laptops as ubuntu/kubuntu does
[06:20] <Dhraakellian> is there any way to downgrade packages with adept_manager?
[06:28] <|Cugel|> apt-get upgrade shows me that 'hal' has been kept back. This has been the case for a week or two now. Anyone else who has that?
[06:30] <rothchild> Cugel try apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:31] <|Cugel|> You're right.
[06:34] <PeterJB> Anyone had any experience with installin via graphics cards
[06:38] <jussi01> PeterJB:  should be already part of the kernel IIRC.
[06:39] <PeterJB> When I set up my xorg with via as the chip upon reboot it just dumps me into a command lin
[06:39] <PeterJB> sorry line
[06:40] <PeterJB> Do I need to set it to load some modules, if so how do i do that?
[06:46] <dr_willis> via makes a lot of different chipsets/cards
[06:47] <Moniker42> hey, how do i load scripts in konversation?
[06:50] <PeterJB> It was a unichrome.  There was a package in adept which saved me going though half of via's hoops which said it supported it.  Can anyone point me to any posts on this subject?
[06:51] <blue_chicken> hi all again :) can you advice me some good benchmark tool(s) [i'm interested in Hard Drive banchmarking]  which can run both on Linux and Windows? I just want to compare results
[06:51] <BenWhitey> hey
[06:51] <BenWhitey> when i try to connect to my wireless network it deosn't get past 28%
[06:52] <blue_chicken> BenWhitey, u mean u lose 28% of data?
[06:52] <blue_chicken> hi all again :) can you advice me some good benchmark tool(s) [i'm interested in Hard Drive banchmarking]  which can run both on Linux and Windows? I just want to compare results
[06:53] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: What chipset are you using? Have you installed drivers?
[06:53] <BenWhitey> default drivers, Atheros
[06:53] <blue_chicken> hi all again :) can you advice me some good benchmark tool(s) [i'm interested in Hard Drive banchmarking]  which can run both on Linux and Windows? I just want to compare results
[06:53] <blue_chicken> sorry for flood, ppl :
[06:53] <PeterJB> try typing iwconfig in the terminal
[06:53] <iarwain_> blue_chicken: apt-cache gives me 'bonnie++'
[06:54] <PeterJB> sorry BenWhitey: See previous post
[06:54] <iarwain_> blue_chicken: don't know if it also works in Windows ;o
[06:54] <blue_chicken> iarwain, ok, thanks :)
[06:54] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:54] <iarwain_> blue_chicken: np's xD
[06:55] <blue_chicken> i just need ONE tool - i think i'd get much more trustful results if using one tool
[06:55] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: Whats the output?
[06:55] <BenWhitey> i'm on windows right now
[06:55] <BenWhitey> my laptop is next to me
[06:55] <BenWhitey> gimme a min to type it out
[06:55] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[06:55] <BenWhitey> i would connect my ethernet to my laptop, except when ive done that in the past its messed up my wifi
[06:56] <PeterJB> Interesting - does that mean the wifi used to work
[06:56] <BenWhitey> it works in windows
[06:56] <PeterJB> Okay
[06:56] <BenWhitey> just got this laptop on monday
[06:57] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/AwjwwB99.html
[06:58] <blue_chicken> iarwain: i found it! :) http://www.iozone.org/ - this tool works both on win and Linux :) btw look at the screen shoots - it look just pretty :)
[06:58] <blue_chicken> ok, thank u all
[06:58] <timmay> low level question....i just installed the Matrix GL screen saver options and they aren't working, any idea why?
[07:00] <BenWhitey> any ideas peter?
[07:01] <ubuntu_> guys is that possible to mount a ntfs partition under ubuntu? i'm running ubuntu from a live cd
 knoppix does that automatically, i have no clue how to do it though
[07:02] <BenWhitey> so that you can open the files right?
[07:02] <ubuntu_> i want only to see the files
[07:02] <ubuntu_> nothing more
[07:02] <BenWhitey> yeah, i dont know how to do it, but it can be done
[07:02] <timmay> ubuntu_: yes it is, one sec while i get the command
[07:03] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: Sorry just had to take a call
[07:03] <ubuntu_> ok timmay
[07:03] <timmay> is the ntfs your primary or secondary drive?
 np, was just hoping you did leave
[07:03] <rothchild> BenWhitey try setting your kwallet password to nothing i.e. no password
[07:03] <ubuntu_> it's primary. i have only one partition
[07:03] <BenWhitey> the wifi network isn't encrypted
[07:04] <PeterJB> Is it encrypted
[07:04] <BenWhitey> nope
[07:04] <timmay> ok which ever partition is your ntfs you'll need to change the sda1 to whatever it is
[07:04] <timmay> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[07:04] <timmay> and change it from windows to whatever it is
[07:04] <rothchild> the knetworkmanager seems to balk at having to send a key and retrieve a password at the same time
[07:05] <BenWhitey> my wifi card is AR5212 802.11abg NIC
[07:05] <timmay> ubuntu_: first do mkdir /mnt/name then mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/name
[07:06] <rothchild> BenWhitey I'm assuming the card is working and you can see you access point in the kwifimanger applet?
[07:06] <timmay> change the sda1 to whatever sd it is and name the /mnt dir to whatever you want to call it
 i don't have that aplet, but i can scan and see the network
[07:06] <PeterJB> Try the following commands:
[07:06] <PeterJB> sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[07:06] <PeterJB> sudo iwconfig ath0 esid (then type the name of you network without the bracksets)
[07:06] <PeterJB> sudo iwconfig ath0 key offsudo dhclient ath0
[07:07] <BenWhitey> kk
[07:07] <PeterJB> sory there should be an entre btween the off and the next sudo
[07:07] <BenWhitey> yeah
[07:07] <BenWhitey> essid instead of esid
[07:07] <BenWhitey> or does it not make a difference?
[07:07] <rothchild> BenWhitey PeterJB is the guru here follow him
[07:08] <PeterJB> sorry yeah, essid is the correct one
[07:08] <BenWhitey> kk
[07:08] <PeterJB> I am not a guru - tust me
[07:08] <rothchild> lol
[07:09] <rothchild> making you a guru mildly inflates my abilities so you're a gure ;-)
[07:09] <rothchild> guru
[07:09] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[07:09] <BenWhitey> lol
[07:10] <BenWhitey> pl
[07:10] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:10] <BenWhitey> this will take me a sec to type all this stuff out
[07:10] <PeterJB> that is almost as bad as the logic, since squirels are grey and sharks are grey then sharks are squirels
[07:10] <ubuntu_> timmay it says that i have to mention the filesystem
[07:11] <timmay> do a man ntfs-3g
[07:12] <ubuntu_> ok. tahnks
[07:12] <ubuntu_> thanks
[07:12] <rothchild> Socrates would be proud!
[07:12] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[07:12] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/7xrGU851.html
[07:12] <PeterJB> I am not convinced
[07:15] <rothchild> sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager gets my vote
[07:16] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: Have you installed madwifi
[07:16] <BenWhitey> i asked in their irc channlel
[07:16] <PhinnFort> !xorg.conf
[07:16] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:16] <BenWhitey> they said that it came inubuntu or something
[07:16] <BenWhitey> or kubuntu rather
[07:17] <BenWhitey> or something like that
[07:18] <BenWhitey> i tried installing madwifi earlier, i either did it wrong or it didn't help
[07:18] <BenWhitey> the thing is, i can scan thenetworks and it can see them
[07:18] <BenWhitey> and their MAC addresses and channels and stuf
[07:18] <PeterJB> The tools aren't installed by default.  Try connecting an ethernet cable and type:
[07:18] <PeterJB> sudo apt-get install madwifi-tools
[07:19] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:19] <BenWhitey> well, i'm going to disconnect from this then because my dekstop is using the ethernet
[07:19] <BenWhitey> let me chang eover and use wifi on my desktop
[07:19] <ehamberg> Is it possible to get a listing of config files that has been altered? (Changed from the version in the deb)
[07:19] <PeterJB> okay
[07:20] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:20] <BenWhitey1> 1sec
[07:21] <BenWhitey1> hah
[07:21] <BenWhitey1> benwhitey will time soon
[07:21] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[07:22] <vincent_> so what's up with the adept-updater tray applet? It tells me there's 1 updated package when it isn't any?
[07:22] <BenWhitey1> "couldn't find package madwifi-tools"
[07:22] <PeterJB> and you are connected to the network
[07:22] <vincent_> same problem as once before with edgy?
[07:22] <PeterJB> look at the network manager in the tray
[07:24] <PeterJB> type in sudo adept_manager
[07:24] <PeterJB> then search madwifi
[07:25] <BenWhitey1> "could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
[07:25] <dave_> is there a way to change the listening port of Remote Desktop
[07:25] <BenWhitey1> i pushed ok
[07:25] <PeterJB> okay
[07:26] <BenWhitey1> "Loading, please wait...."
[07:26] <BenWhitey1> should it really take this long?
[07:26] <PeterJB> possibly, if this is the first time you've used it
[07:27] <BenWhitey1> it is, but its still loading
[07:27] <BenWhitey1> or it says its still loading
[07:27] <PeterJB> hmm
[07:28] <PeterJB> try closing it and in the konsole type sudo apt-get update
[07:28] <BenWhitey1> Adept manager is not responding
[07:28] <BenWhitey1> terminate?
[07:28] <PeterJB> yes
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> its going
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> now what
[07:29] <somedude> benwitey - apt-get upgrade
[07:30] <PeterJB> now try what somedude said - make sure you are sudo
[07:30] <somedude> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> 20sec left
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> or no
[07:31] <PeterJB> cool
[07:31] <somedude> great
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> its gonig quit eslow
[07:31] <somedude> well call the internet and ask for a refund. lol jk
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> 5/2 :)
[07:32] <somedude> the tubes of the internet must be clogged
[07:32] <somedude> =p
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> lol
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> ok done
[07:32] <PeterJB> Now try:
[07:32] <PeterJB> sudo apt-get install madwifi-tools
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:33] <BenWhitey1> now what?
[07:33] <somedude> anyone else use Swsscanner?
[07:34] <somedude> very unstable for me =(
[07:34] <atidem> ciao
[07:35] <PeterJB> somedude: little experience of it, what you using it for,maybe kismet would be a suitable drop in
[07:35] <somedude> yeah i use that too
[07:36] <somedude> but now there is a bug in swscanner since kubuntu 7.04
[07:36] <somedude> ugh
[07:36] <PeterJB> oh, what issues does it raise
[07:36] <BenWhitey1> peter: what now?
[07:36] <somedude> peterjb - help ben I can wait
[07:37] <somedude> thanks though. i just got a call
[07:37] <BenWhitey1> are you guys tech support?
[07:38] <PeterJB> no
[07:38] <PeterJB> try rebooting and see if wifi works afterwards
[07:38] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:38] <BenWhitey1> should i unplug my ethernet?
[07:40] <BenWhitey1> well, i just did lets see what happens
[07:40] <PeterJB> cool
[07:40] <PeterJB> could do, it shouldn't make a difference
[07:41] <_Shade_> how can i apply an fvwm theme?
 still stuck at 28%
[07:42] <PeterJB> hmm
[07:44] <BenWhitey1> it stops at "Activation stage: Configuring device"
[07:46] <BenWhitey1> iwconfig has the same stuff as before
[08:17] (mahboob/#kubuntu) K-Ryan: basicly cant get it to run in firefox but can externaly
[08:17] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) I missed everything, I don't know what "it" is
[08:17] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) I only just joined the channel =P
[08:18] (mahboob/#kubuntu) K-Ryan:realplayer in firefox
[08:18] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) hmm
[08:18] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) !realplayer
[08:18] (ubotu/#kubuntu) For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:18] <sephnroth> hi lads n lasses
[08:18] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) Hrmm, I'm not sure
[08:18] <K-Ryan> Hi there sephnroth
[08:18] <K-Ryan> mahboob: Stick around though I'm sure someone knows how to fix it.
[08:19] <mahboob> k
[08:19] <mahboob> thanx anyway
[08:19] <K-Ryan> Sorry I couldn't help more =/
[08:19] <Sephnroth> having a selection of problems today if anyone is feeling brave :)
[08:20] <K-Ryan> Sephnroth: Ask away and whoever can help usually will.
[08:20] <AFaith> hello you all!
[08:20] <K-Ryan> Hi there AFaith!
[08:20] <Lynoure> Sephnroth: usually a good idea to go one problem at the time
[08:20] <cvill64-laptop> mahboob: if running i386, doesn't automatix2 install and set up realplayer for you ?
[08:20] <K-Ryan> NEVER use automatix
[08:21] <K-Ryan> !automatix
[08:21] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:21] <K-Ryan> EVER
[08:21] <AFaith> hello K-Ryan
[08:21] <Sephnroth> well, choose an issue :) you can have: SIGSEGV on kde start after nvidia driver install (same sigsegv when trying to view displays and monitors in config).
[08:21] <cvill64-laptop> !WorksForMe
[08:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:21] <Sephnroth> you can have the simpler, is there a proper codec pack because some of my videos are just black.  or the: how to select default soundcard for all things, i have 2 and it appears to be using wrong one
[08:21] <Sephnroth> XD
[08:22] <K-Ryan> Sephnroth: libxine-extracodecs
[08:22] <Sephnroth> thats my top 3 for the moment, but not everything ;)  but anything else just confuses things.
[08:22] <Sephnroth> thankyou :)
[08:22] <rothchild> whats wrong with mplayer and the mozilla plugin?
[08:22] <AFaith> have a question
[08:22] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: for sound to work for me, I had to use asoundconf
[08:22] <AFaith> what does slocate & updatedb do ?
[08:22] <K-Ryan> I'll get on the sound issue though
[08:22] <K-Ryan> AFaith: Go ahead and ask the channel.
[08:22] <Lynoure> Sephnroth: now you will probably get answers to both... =)
[08:22] <AFaith> i've asked :P
[08:22] <K-Ryan> Err, lag?
[08:23] <AFaith> K-Ryan: what does slocate & updatedb do ?
[08:23] <cvill64-laptop> AFaith: updatedb creates a nifty db for slocate to sift through and easily find files for you
[08:23] <Sephnroth> we have  video ladies and gentleman, that is indeed the starship enterprize in kaffine
[08:23] <Sephnroth> now for sound XD
[08:23] <AFaith> i see :-?
[08:23] <cvill64-laptop> e.g.: $ updatedb && locate <file name>
[08:23] <Lynoure> AFaith: do   man slocate
[08:23] <Lynoure> AFaith: and   man updatedb
[08:23] <K-Ryan> Sephnroth: Have you tried System Settings> Sound ?
[08:23] <AFaith> Lynoure: i've already done that, but i didn't understand anything
[08:24] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: asoundconf
[08:24] <Sephnroth> trying
[08:24] <Sephnroth> sec
[08:24] <Lynoure> AFaith: updatedb  updates the database 'locate' uses to find things
[08:24] <cvill64-laptop> I had to run that with the list and another command for kubuntu to properly use the audigy2 instead of on board nvidia
[08:24] <AFaith> i see...
[08:24] <AFaith> thanks for the tip :)
[08:24] <Lynoure> AFaith: otherwise you could be searching from database that is no longer up to date.
[08:25] <cvill64-laptop> kernel likes to eat up memory for updatedb though ;)
[08:26] <Lynoure> AFaith: and slocate, like locate, searches for files and directories with the word you specify e.g.   slocate  .jpg   finds all the files with .jpg  in their name
[08:26] <Lynoure> AFaith: (and directories, if they have that, too)
[08:26] <AFaith> oh ... i see... indeed a very good tool
[08:26] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: after the asoundconf, you need to restart kde at the very least to get sound to work
[08:26] <Sephnroth> neither help that i can see. but if i run kmixer i see the default soundcard in the dropdown box is my audiophile and not the onboard sound which is what i want
[08:26] <Sephnroth> may sound strange but
[08:26] <AFaith> !laptop
[08:26] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[08:27] <AFaith> yet another question
[08:27] <Sephnroth> the audiophile is a studio card which i use for HD recording, the onboard however supports the surround sound for my output settings
[08:27] <AFaith> whats the most linux friendly laptop ?
[08:27] <Sephnroth> so i want linux to output, by default, with the onboard
[08:27] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: $ asoundconf LIST ... then asoundconf set-default-card CARD
[08:27] <K-Ryan> Can someone help me fix my fstab? Swap doesn't turn on automatically.
[08:27] <cvill64-laptop> AFaith: any lappy with linux installed by default :{
[08:27] <cvill64-laptop> :P
[08:28] <AFaith> cvill64-laptop: one of my friends bought a laptop with mandriva preinstalled
[08:28] <AFaith> and his wlan card wasn't supported
[08:28] <Sephnroth> i have sound
[08:28] <Sephnroth> thanks cvill
[08:28] <Sephnroth> perfect XD
[08:28] <AFaith> like the graphic card
[08:28] <AFaith> and like the sound card
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> K-Ryan: I have "UUID=ffd39d53-b074-4d82-953a-9d608cec3d3d none            swap    sw              0       0" in fstab for swap
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> but you shoud have been able to set it up during install time
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: I learned that one last night, kinda like alsaconf from gentoo :P
[08:29] <K-Ryan> I was told to get rid of UUID=blahblahblah and just put in /dev/sdb2
[08:29] <K-Ryan> the location of my swap
[08:29] <K-Ryan> mind you keeping the none    swap  sw     0    0
[08:29] <Sephnroth> XD
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> that might work too K-Ryan
[08:29] <K-Ryan> It doesn't =)
[08:29] <Sephnroth> my sound configuration has always made things confusing for setting up
[08:30] <Sephnroth> theres this lil diagram i made for a friend to explain it: http://storage.treeofjurai.homelinux.com/storage_root/Images/davesound.jpg
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> I have an audigy2 pci and nvidia on board sound
[08:30] <Sephnroth> its not very elegant, but lol its best i could manage XD
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> always have problems, gentoo just run alsaconf, ubuntu with the asoundconf
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> kmix doesn't like to mute though afaik
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> it will do the volume though
[08:31] <cvill64-laptop> nobody knows how to downgrade a specific package do they?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> I fixed it
[08:31] <K-Ryan> It had a 3 instead of a 2...
[08:32] <PhinnFort> !downgrade
[08:32] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Worth a try I guess
[08:32] <K-Ryan> !find downgrade
[08:32] <cvill64-laptop> seems you can find uuid info from ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l
[08:32] <ubotu> File downgrade found in inventor-clients
[08:33] <K-Ryan> Not what I wanted from ubotu, oh well
[08:33] <K-Ryan> cvill64-laptop: the /dev/sdb2 did it, it just had a 3 there for some reason...
[08:33] <cvill64-laptop> yteah, upgrade of hal messes up automounting of usb devices
[08:33] <cvill64-laptop> lol, random digits fun :P
[08:33] <K-Ryan> No it was my fault
[08:33] <Sephnroth> how can i import bookmarks in firefox?  i got ntfs read/write working so i figure i may as well import my bookmarks from my windows drive to here
[08:33] <K-Ryan> It wasn't something gone wrong =P
[08:33] <Sephnroth> but i dont see an option o.O
[08:34] <cvill64-laptop> I think there is a plugin for that Sephnroth
[08:34] <cvill64-laptop> or you may be able to just copy over your .mozilla folder
[08:34] <The_Machine> i'm having a nightmare of a time with my new nvidia card
[08:34] <K-Ryan> or at least the bookmark folder/files
[08:35] <K-Ryan> The_Machine: What card did you get?
[08:35] <The_Machine> wondering if someone who "knows" could help - i am in X now, but whenever i reboot i get these kernel mismatch errors
[08:35] <The_Machine> this is a Geforce 7300 GS
[08:35] <K-Ryan> What changes have you made so far?
[08:36] <The_Machine> i don't want to say "too many to keep track of" because they've all been related to the driver from the nvidia web site
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Yeah, you want the driver from the repos.
[08:37] <The_Machine> but i'm sure that xorg.conf is not exactly right, and nvidia keeps referencing some kinds of different kernels or something
[08:37] <The_Machine> so, how about this...
[08:37] <The_Machine> how do i just completely uninstall whatever i have installed
[08:37] <The_Machine> and install the driver from the repo? :)
[08:37] <The_Machine> heh
[08:37] <The_Machine> if i could just do that, it'd be happy
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Don't know about the uninstall part, I never made the mistake of doing that.
[08:37] <The_Machine> (or, would the repo driver uninstall what i'm using now)
[08:37] <The_Machine> okay..
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Probably wouldn't
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Hold on a sec though
[08:37] <The_Machine> k
[08:39] <AndrewsMas> hello
[08:40] <K-Ryan> I'm really not sure what to do about the drivers that you installed already The_Machine, but I would ask around about it and afterwards install the drivers from the repos.
[08:40] <K-Ryan> Hi there AndrewsMas!
[08:40] <K-Ryan> The_Machine: Keep asking around, someone is bound to know what went wrong.
[08:40] <The_Machine> K-Ryan, how does one install drivers from the repos?  I mean, when i do a search for 'nvidia' i get a ton of hits
[08:40] <The_Machine> from apt
[08:40] <The_Machine> which one is the driver?!
[08:40] <K-Ryan> Shouldn't be too many
[08:41] <K-Ryan> Hold on I'll find the ones you need
[08:41] <The_Machine> would it be okay to use Automatix2?
[08:41] <K-Ryan> Never
[08:41] <K-Ryan> EVER
[08:42] <cvill64-laptop> nvidia-glx is the name of the package
[08:42] <K-Ryan> !automatix
[08:42] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:42] <The_Machine> lol
[08:42] <The_Machine> lol
[08:42] <The_Machine> okay :)
[08:42] <The_Machine> thanks cvill64-laptop :)
[08:42] <K-Ryan> I'm not even kidding, I've seen more than one person as of yesterday who needed a fresh install because of it.
[08:42] <The_Machine> i'll remove it?
[08:42] <cvill64-laptop> lol, well it "worked for me" ;)
[08:42] <K-Ryan> cvill64-laptop: Aren't there 2?
[08:42] <cvill64-laptop> don't know, that's the only one I think I had to install
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Yeah, nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[08:43] <The_Machine> thanks K-Ryan
[08:43] <The_Machine> will try to install those now
[08:43] <The_Machine> we'll see if it craps it out
[08:43] <The_Machine> if it does
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Hope you fix 'er up.
[08:43] <The_Machine> i know how to get back to X :)
[08:43] <cvill64-laptop> remember to reinstall even after minor kernel changes
[08:43] <cvill64-laptop> reinstall nvidia stuff that is
[08:43] <The_Machine> reinstall the driver?
[08:43] <The_Machine> okay
[08:43] <The_Machine> hmm
[08:44] <cvill64-laptop> yes, nvidia and such are built to your kernel, so kernel upgrades require certain drivers to be rebuilt
[08:44] <Sephnroth> is this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64  safe to follow for fiesty fawn?
[08:45] <Sephnroth> it only mentions dapper and edgy at the top
[08:45] <AndrewsMas> if i donw know irc servers names how i can find servers names?
[08:45] <The_Machine> cvill64-laptop, now, these are "restricted" because it comes from Nvidia itself
[08:45] <The_Machine> and isn't as open?
[08:45] <cvill64-laptop> yes
[08:45] <The_Machine> i heard that the 'nvidia' drivers were better than the 'free' drivers
[08:45] <cvill64-laptop> they are
[08:45] <The_Machine> but i'm having a hard time differentiating them..
[08:45] <cvill64-laptop> nv only is 2d supported
[08:45] <The_Machine> ah!
[08:45] <The_Machine> :)
[08:45] <The_Machine> brb
[08:46] <cvill64-laptop> and half the time gets the resolutino correct
[08:46] <The_Machine> going to restart
[08:46] <The_Machine> and see if this is fixed!
[08:46] <sjapbnc5> Hey guys
[08:46] <cvill64-laptop> make sure you changed your xorg to nvidia from nv The_Machine
[08:47] <Haydar`> How to setup evdev
[08:47] <Haydar`> just change protocol to it ?
[08:49] <cvill64-laptop> Haydar`: you trying to set up to use synaptics pad or is this for something else?
[08:49] <Haydar`> For my mouse
[08:49] <Haydar`> MX518
[08:49] <Haydar`> Evdev driver
[08:49] <Haydar`> just change the protocol ?
[08:49] <Haydar`> or do i need to do more
[08:49] <Haydar`> !evdev
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evdev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <cvill64-laptop> have you used zeh google for it yet?
[08:50] <Haydar`> nope :P
[08:50] <cvill64-laptop> not sure ubuntu specific
[08:50] <cvill64-laptop> could try chaning it through kcontrol though
[08:51] <cvill64-laptop> or maybe just modprobe for it
[08:51] <Haydar`> modprobe :P
[08:51] <pani_alex> does exist a channel of kubuntu is spanish?
[08:52] <cvill64-laptop> seems you found it pani_alex :P
[08:53] <pani_alex> have found it
[08:53] <pani_alex> thanks
[08:53] <pani_alex> kubuntu-es
[08:53] <pani_alex> ;)
[08:54] <hyper__ch> hiho
[08:56] <cvill64-laptop> anybody that's joined know how to downgrade a package?
[08:57] <hyper_ch> cvill64-laptop: why do you want to do that?
[08:57] <The_Machine> that didn't work
[08:57] <The_Machine> :/
[08:58] <Sephnroth> ok, wine is broken - and its the same issue as my SIGSEGV on bootup i think (prolly related to my nvidia drivers) - screen_restore.py is dying
[08:58] <Sephnroth> anyone got any ideas?
[08:58] <cvill64-laptop> hyper_ch: a bad hal upgrade screwed up automounting
[08:58] <hyper_ch> Sephnroth: remove it and re-install it
[08:59] <Sephnroth> the py?
[08:59] <cvill64-laptop> The_Machine: did you change to using nvidia in your xorg ?
[08:59] <Sephnroth> or wine?
[08:59] <hyper_ch> Sephnroth: maybe both :)
[08:59] <hyper_ch> cvill64-laptop: aptitude can do it somehow
[09:00] <Sephnroth> i just this second installed wine - but i been having problems with crashes since i installed the nvidia drivers (which i dont think are setup right anyway as the only way i can change resolution is with ctrl+alt+num_- etc)
[09:00] <The_Machine> cvill64-laptop, not sure what you mean - i just reinstalled the driver using apt..
[09:00] <PhinnFort> Sephnroth: you should maybe try to run a memory test
[09:00] <The_Machine> but it still gave me the kernel mismatch on boot
[09:00] <The_Machine> like the nvidia driver was stil "taking over"
[09:01] <cvill64-laptop> The_Machine: you need to make sure the driver your xorg is using is now nvidia instead of nv
[09:01] <The_Machine> how?
[09:01] <cvill64-laptop> kernel mismatch?
[09:01] <The_Machine> opening xorg.conf?
[09:01] <The_Machine> yeah..  let me find the error
[09:01] <cvill64-laptop> that's not a xorg prob then :P
[09:01] <The_Machine> no, i don't think it is..
[09:01] <Sephnroth> how can i "uninstall" the nvidia drivers in an attempt to start again?
[09:02] <cvill64-laptop> which way did you do it Sephnroth?
[09:02] <cvill64-laptop> usually just apt-get remove <package>
[09:02] <PhinnFort> !webcam
[09:02] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:02] <cvill64-laptop> if you used automatix2, it has automatix2-nvidia-restore
[09:02] <Sephnroth> well whenever in my whole history of ubuntu/kubuntu using apt get to install the nvidia drivers never worked on any of my nvidia cards or boxes
[09:02] <Sephnroth> they installed but
[09:02] <Sephnroth> never did direct acceleration etc
[09:03] <Sephnroth> in this case i downloaded the package from the nvidia website
[09:03] <Sephnroth> installed my sources etc etc
[09:03] <Sephnroth> and then did:
[09:03] <cvill64-laptop> ah, I think it has a flag to downgrade but I'm not sure
[09:03] <Sephnroth> sudo ./nvidia-installer -n -s --x-prefix=/usr/lib64/xorg/ --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:03] <Sephnroth> which i found on some guide
[09:04] <Sephnroth> though i confess to ignorance of what all the switches do.
[09:04] <cvill64-laptop> you could try using "envy" to install the nvidia drivers properly
[09:04] <The_Machine> Sephnroth, sounds like we're kind of in the same boat..
[09:05] <Sephnroth> well, my nvidia drivers are installed... i get 5300 fps about on glxgears.. but kdm doesnt want to start, when i finally get everything started i get a SIGSEGV in restore_screen.py when kde boots
[09:05] <Sephnroth> i cant access monitors and displays in the system config without another SIGSEGV
[09:05] <cvill64-laptop> glxgears is not a good way to see your fps afaik
[09:05] <Sephnroth> and using nvidia x config always asks me to restart X to apply any changes to resolution etc and when i do so the settings go back to the defaults anyway
[09:06] <cvill64-laptop> I used automatix2 for nvidia on an amd64 and I've heard good things about envy
[09:06] <Sephnroth> and if i use 1280x960 as my screen res instead of 1280x1024 then i end up with a scrolly screen i move about with my mouse :(
[09:06] <cvill64-laptop> le sigh...I don't want to make a chroot to use flash :(
[09:06] <Sephnroth> beryl is not working at all but thats another story.
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> yeah, you need nvidia for proper screen res
[09:07] <Sephnroth> do i have to download automatix from a website or can i apt-get it?
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> just good it
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> google it
[09:07] <Sephnroth> ok
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> it has its own website
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> and check out envy too
[09:07] <Sephnroth> but i think i should find a way to clean out what i got first
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> and read the risk
[09:10] <Sephnroth> brb
[09:13] <just-this-time> hi
[09:14] <just-this-time> browsing an backup.tgz with ark is very slow, takes forever
[09:14] <just-this-time> backup.tgz is 1.600 MB or more
[09:14] <timmay> is it possible to setup a printer that it hooked up on someone else's windows box?
[09:15] <just-this-time> timmay: yes
[09:15] <logixoul> ahoy
[09:15] <timmay> how would i set it up? i'm stumped
[09:16] <logixoul> can I expect to get auto updated to kde 3.5.7 (supported and all) in reasonable time, like a week from now?
[09:20] <Skiff> hey guys I was configuring xorg.conf so I stopped KDM, now when I restart it I see the logo but the progress bar doesnt move, after 10 sec it goes into a black screen with only blinking cursor and Ican type away and it doesnt respond to any commands, except only if I ALT+F1 any idea what gives?
[09:21] <NumLk> Have you checked your Xorg.log in /var/log?
[09:21] <NumLk> Look for =E= (error) entries
[09:21] <NumLk> (or =W= warnings)
[09:21] <NumLk> They should be at the foot of the log (most recent entries)
[09:21] <PhinnFort> no, EE for error and WW warning
[09:21] <NumLk> Yeah, sorry
[09:22] <PhinnFort> Skiff: hit ctrl+alt+f1, and log in
[09:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[09:22] <NumLk> THanks :-)
[09:22] <mhb> hi, what do I have to do to enable Java in konqueror (Kubuntu feisty)?
[09:22] <Skiff> thanks
[09:22] <PhinnFort> !java
[09:22] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:23] <PhinnFort> Skiff: then do a "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[09:23] <NumLk> Yes
[09:23] <PhinnFort> Skiff: or rather "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[09:23] <NumLk> Skiff: Incidentally, what were you trying to alter in your xorg.conf?
[09:23] <Skiff> ok I just copied the backup and loaded kde fine, so now Im gonna sude /etc/init,d/kdm stop   I see the kubuntu logo with black progress bar
[09:24] <NumLk> Have you checked your edits for syntax problems?
[09:24] <Skiff> and then I get to the black screen
[09:24] <Skiff> with cursor
[09:24] <Skiff> and no matter what i type Im there again
[09:24] <Skiff> even though xorg.conf is fine now
[09:24] <Skiff> (I loaded backup)
[09:25] <Skiff> I needed to increase resolution
[09:25] <Skiff> because 1024xwhatever isnt nenough
[09:25] <Skiff> I can run at 1280x1024
[09:25] <Skiff> anyway everytime I stop kdm I get to that blank screen with the cursor
[09:25] <Skiff> which doesnt eccept any commands
[09:25] <Skiff> except alt f1
[09:26] <NumLk> How are you stopping KDM?
[09:27] <PhinnFort> Skiff: you shouldn't stop KDM
[09:27] <PhinnFort> Skiff: try to restart it instead
[09:27] <Skiff> I was doing this basically http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[09:27] <Skiff> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[09:27] <Skiff> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm for KDE)
[09:27] <Skiff>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:27] <Skiff> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start (or kdm for KDE)
[09:27] <Skiff> when I do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm
[09:27] <PhinnFort> Skiff: that's a bit silly
[09:27] <Skiff> stop
[09:28] <Skiff> ok
[09:28] <Skiff> Im all up for suggestions :P
[09:28] <Skiff> all I need is a higher res
[09:28] <PhinnFort> Skiff: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:28] <NumLk> If you're doing it this way, you shouldn't be doing it from within KDM. Cos thats why you can't complete the steps :-)
[09:28] <PhinnFort> Skiff: and *then*, afterwards, run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:28] <PhinnFort> Skiff: but remember to close all open programs etc, first
[09:28] <Skiff> ok
[09:28] <Skiff> I can do it in the terminal
[09:28] <Skiff> ?
[09:29] <NumLk> Yeah, or do it from a console login so you're not relying on a WM to complete the steps
[09:29] <Skiff> yeah Im doing it from console login now
[09:29] <Skiff> actually
[09:29] <Skiff> thanks
[09:29] <PhinnFort> NumLk: why?
[09:30] <PhinnFort> Skiff: no reason to, since Xorg only reads xorg.conf on startup
[09:31] <just-this-time> skiff
[09:31] <Gobsheene> Hey All
[09:31] <NumLk> PhinnFort: Why what?
[09:31] <just-this-time> skiff may I suggest also  >> sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange  ?
[09:32] <NumLk> If his WM is crapping out when he's trying the stop/start or restart, it'd be less buggy to do it from outwith the WM to ensure bug free upgrading
[09:32] <Skiff> niiicee
[09:32] <Skiff> it worked
[09:32] <Skiff> thank you guys :)
[09:32] <just-this-time> then use it in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg advanced to pick right HRES VRES?
[09:32] <PhinnFort> NumLk: I don't understand your logic
[09:33] <NumLk> So what's not to understand, Phinn?
[09:33] <NumLk> He does a KDM Stop (which I wouldn't do anyway) and can't carry on because his WM has crapped out
[09:33] <PhinnFort> NumLk: why would it be better to edit the file when xorg is not running?
[09:33] <NumLk> Not edit the file, do the stop/start
[09:34] <PhinnFort> NumLk: I told him to edit his file, THEN restart his X
[09:34] <NumLk> From console
[09:34] <NumLk> Yes, I saw that, but I was saying that if he wants to follow the stop/start route, he should do it from console
[09:34] <NumLk> Geez. Try to help someone out and you get a load of abuse.
[09:35] <PhinnFort> sorry, I just didn't understand why you wanted him to do it the hard way;)
[09:35] <PhinnFort> thought maybe I had missed something
[09:35] <duns_s> hi, if i use mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/hda4, it won't destroy /dev/sda1, but resync hda4 to it, or not?
[09:36] <The_Machine> still $*%(^ing stuck
[09:36] <The_Machine> hehe
[09:37] <AcE13> I am trying to play .rm files via kaffeine,,, I see the audio but there is no audio
[09:37] <AcE13> any codecs that I need?
[09:37] <PhinnFort> AcE13: I believe you might need to install realplayer
[09:37] <PhinnFort> AcE13: you don't have to use it, though
[09:37] <PhinnFort> AcE13: but I think it comes with the codecs
[09:37] <timmay> heya phinn
[09:37] <PhinnFort> hey
[09:37] <AcE13> PhinnFort: I dont really like that on my system :/
[09:38] <PhinnFort> AcE13: you could try it in MPlayer  too
[09:38] <AcE13> PhinnFort: oh... I'll try that
[09:39] <xGrantx> how do I install module-assistant?
[09:39] <xGrantx> do I have to compile it?
[09:41] <LjL> xGrantx: what about typing  sudo apt-get install module-assistant  in the terminal?
[09:41] <LjL> you know, that (or Adept, which is equivalent) is the way most software is installed in Ubuntu
[09:41] <xGrantx> I searched the package with Adept but didn't find anything
[09:41] <LjL> so i suppose the specific piece of software you want, module-assistant in this case, is likely to be installed that way
[09:42] <PhinnFort> !find module
[09:42] <LjL> !info module-assistant
[09:42] <ubotu> Found: apache2-mpm-event, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker, libgail-gnome-module, libmodule-build-perl (and 104 others)
[09:42] <ubotu> module-assistant: tool to make module package creation easier. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.10 (feisty), package size 86 kB, installed size 428 kB
[09:42] <LjL> !universe > xGrantx    (xGrantx, see the private message from Ubotu)
[09:43] <capou> pour installer gnome ? j'installe le packet gnome-core mais pour le francais ?
[09:43] <xGrantx> so do I have to add a repository?
[09:45] <PhinnFort> !fr | capou
[09:45] <ubotu> capou: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:45] <ninHer> capou: just english :-)
[09:45] <sparrw> I need an ubuntu cd with a kernel with support for efi, specifically the efivars module.  Help?
[09:45] <capou> arf sorry,
[09:46] <LjL> !info language-pack-fr | capou
[09:46] <ubotu> capou: language-pack-fr: translation updates for language French. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.04+20070412 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[09:46] <sephnroth> well, i have working resolution and nvidia drivers now
[09:46] <sephnroth> and i have tracked down the cause of my sigsegv but be darned if i know how to fix it
[09:46] <The_Machine> Sephnroth, fix your problems?
[09:46] <The_Machine> i'm SO stuck!
[09:46] <Sephnroth> alot of them
[09:46] <The_Machine> let me paste my problem again:
[09:47] <Sephnroth> automatix did not do a good job of installing nvidia drivers when i tried that so i uninstalled for second time
[09:47] <Sephnroth> and then used the nvidia installer script by hand
[09:47] <The_Machine> i'm using kubuntu.  I bought an nvidia Geforce 7300 GS and it's installed on my Kubuntu box.  I downloaded and installed the nvidia drivers and when i boot into X I get an error along these lines (not exact):  ERR: API mismatch: NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.9756 but this X module is version 1.0.9755.  I would like to uninstall everything related to what I got from the nvidia site from this box and just go with the repo nvidia drivers.  (or an
[09:47] <The_Machine> other equal but good fix)
[09:47] <The_Machine> nvidia installer from..  the nvidia site?
[09:47] <Sephnroth> yes i can help you here i think
[09:47] <Sephnroth> yes from the site
[09:47] <The_Machine> Sephnroth, i would appreciate it
[09:47] <The_Machine> thats what i have too
[09:47] <LjL> Sephnroth: so, you've used something that breaks system, broke the system, reinstalled, and did something else to break it in a new way? interesting :)
[09:47] <LjL> !automatix
[09:47] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:47] <LjL> !nvidia > Sephnroth    (Sephnroth, see the private message from Ubotu)
[09:47] <The_Machine> i was running NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run
[09:47] <The_Machine> and all was fine
[09:48] <Sephnroth> hold on cuz i had that problem and i downloaded a guide that helped me fix it got it printed somewhere
[09:48] <The_Machine> but then i was getting that 'mismatch' error or whatever regarding the kernels
[09:48] <The_Machine> okay
[09:48] <The_Machine> thanks!
[09:48] <Sephnroth> LjL: no
[09:48] <Sephnroth> i first installed drives from apt-get - broke.  no screen.  then i did it using automatix - same problem
[09:48] <Sephnroth> then i did it by hand and it works
[09:48] <Sephnroth> and i tracked down a -seperate- (but related) problem which i need to fix
[09:48] <kuroaoi> Hola
[09:48] <LjL> Sephnroth: except next time there's a kernel update, everything breaks again
[09:49] <The_Machine> yeah
[09:49] <The_Machine> i hear about that
[09:49] <timmay> anyone know a reason why my screen saver isn't working?
[09:49] <The_Machine> so i need to REMOVE the nvidia drivers
[09:49] <The_Machine> i don't know how to do this
[09:49] <The_Machine> as i have the repo drivers installed
[09:49] <The_Machine> but for some reason, they're not being seen or somethign when booting
[09:49] <LjL> i think you both need to install the drivers *from the repositories* and try fixing any problems you have with those, and leave nvidia.com, envy, automatix and stuff *alone*
[09:49] <LjL> file a bug if deemed necessary
[09:49] <The_Machine> as i'm still getting the "API mismatch" stuff
[09:49] <The_Machine> LjL - i have
[09:50] <LjL> The_Machine: what kernel do you have installed?
[09:50] <The_Machine> i want to!  show me how and i will!
[09:50] <Sephnroth> im happy to have it working for now - its a simple thing to fix it if i update the kernal.
[09:50] <LjL> The_Machine: uname -r
[09:50] <Sephnroth> though LjL
[09:50] <Sephnroth> if you could help the machine
[09:50] <Sephnroth> that would be good
[09:50] <The_Machine> 2.6.20-15-generic
[09:50] <The_Machine> this is a work machine :/
[09:50] <The_Machine> and my onboard vid card died so i'm using this one
[09:51] <The_Machine> and it works except for this driver insanity
[09:51] <LjL> The_Machine: that's the right kernel to have. now, you say you have the drivers from nvidia.com also installed... suppose there could be some mess between the two
[09:51] <LjL> The_Machine: install and run "debsums"
[09:51] <The_Machine> LjL, will do that now!
[09:51] <LjL> that will tell you whether you have any non-repositories files on your system
[09:51] <LjL> including leftovers from the nvidia.com driver, hopefully
[09:57] <Sephnroth> lgl:  the problem i have left is a SIGSEGV when KDE loads and another when i go system settings->monitors and displays
[09:57] <The_Machine> wow, this thing is busy..
[09:57] <The_Machine> heh
[09:57] <Sephnroth> but i found that the sigsegv only ocurs when xinerama is enabled
[09:57] <Sephnroth> so theres where the problem is - no idea where to start on fixing it though :(
[09:57] <Sephnroth> my experiance of xinerama is "it works on its own" unfortunately
[09:57] <ajross> hello everyone
[09:57] <Sephnroth> heyas
[09:57] <Sephnroth> mm
[09:57] <Sephnroth> i will try twinview someone on google suggests it
[09:57] <The_Machine> LjL, it is finished
[09:57] <LjL> Sephnroth: you aren't on 64bit?
[09:57] <Sephnroth> yes
[09:57] <LjL> Sephnroth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sarien/+bug/71308
[09:57] <The_Machine> i see one FAILED, but it ran through so many files, i can't scroll back
[09:57] <Sephnroth> well found Ljl
[09:57] <The_Machine> debsums: can't open xserver-xorg-core file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so (No such file or directory)
[09:57] <The_Machine> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so                                FAILED
[09:57] <LjL> The_Machine: ah, sorry that was my fault. run  debsums | grep -v OK  to only see failed ones
[09:57] <Sephnroth> cheers mate, trying twinview (never used this before)
[09:57] <Sephnroth> brb xrestart
[09:57] <LjL> The_Machine: oh well that one looks interesting still though
[09:57] <The_Machine> yeah!
[09:57] <The_Machine> :)  I'm sorry i ever touched nvidia.com
[09:57] <LjL> !find libglx.so
[09:57] <ubotu> File libglx.so found in nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-new, xserver-xorg-core
[09:57] <LjL> The_Machine:  sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx xserver-xorg-core
[09:59] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i install kickoff on feisty
[10:00] <The_Machine> LjL - a couple of questions.  In order to get out of the trap that Automatix is okay - do i simply uninstall it and that's it?  Also, now that i've reinstalled nvidia-glx, etc. do i just restart X?
[10:02] <sephnroth> k twinview works ok, except for the fact my two monitors are now one big one apprantly when it comes to maximising windows - but i guess i put up with that until they fix the xinerama 64bit bug
[10:03] <LjL> The_Machine, uninstalling automatix can be... tricky, however that debsums still helps. if it says everything's ok, it's quite likely that it is
[10:03] <LjL> The_Machine: restart x, yes, but you might actually need to reboot
[10:03] <The_Machine> k
[10:03] <The_Machine> brb.  *Crosses fingers*
[10:03] <The_Machine> might be joining you in bitchx..
[10:03] <The_Machine> which i hate
[10:06] <fdoving> The_Machine: check out irssi.
[10:06] <The_Machine> brb....
[10:06] <sephnroth> kvirc ftw :x
[10:07] <LjL> he meant his X might not restart...
[10:07] <LjL> and i can't say that's terribly unlikely
[10:08] <kuwanger> How do I make an encrypted swapfile?  The instructions I've read seem to focus on swap partitions only.
[10:15] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: you have only swap partitions in linux and not swapfiles
[10:15] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Um..you can have either or both.
[10:16] <hyper_ch> ok, for what reason should one use a swapfile?
[10:16] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: The same reason one would have to use LVM, to offer more flexability in setting up a system.
[10:17] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: if you encrypt the partiton where you have your swap file it's also encrypted
[10:17] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Right, but then I'm back to fiddling with partitions, which I was trying to avoid in the first place. :/
[10:18] <hyper_ch> setting up encrypted partitions is simple
[10:18] <kuwanger> Uh huh.  The only partition I have is /
[10:19] <kuwanger> So, what is this "simple" approach to encrypting root?
[10:19] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: well depends on what encryption mechanism you want to use
[10:19] <hyper_ch> I wrote a small tutorial for dm-crypt/LUKS
[10:20] <chris__> i have a slight problem and I was wondering if someone had a couple of minutes to help me out
[10:20] <hyper_ch> !question | chris__
[10:20] <ubotu> chris__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:20] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: And would this require entering a password at startup?  An encrypted swap[file]  wouldn't.
[10:20] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: well, it's up to you... either enter a pwd at the startup or not having the encrypted device available
[10:21] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Um, encrypted swap relies upon /dev/random to avoid the need for a password.  So, it's not like it's a "choice" I should have to make.
[10:21] <chris__> i am running a machine that is dual loaded with kubuntu and windows 2k pro I recently updated ubuntu and can no longer access windows. what did i screw up?
[10:22] <hyper_ch> well, I never had encrypted a swap so far
[10:22] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: My prime issue is, once /swap/swapfile is loopbacked to /dev/loop/0 (or whatever), then cryptsetup and ilk can use it like a device just fine.  The main issue is, I don't know how to do that initial /dev/loop/0 "cleanly" within the scope of the the "proper" way to do things.
[10:22] <hyper_ch> chris__: well, there could be a lot of things... maybe you can give some more info - like what error message you get?
[10:23] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: no clue... try dm-crypt channel (if one exists)
[10:23] <chris__> no error message when the app loader comes up windows is no longer on it just 3 instances of ubuntu, their recovery modes and a mem tester
[10:23] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: None with people in them. :/
[10:24] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: had a look at truecrypt?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> chris__: you know what pastebin is?
[10:24] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Not really.  Does truecrypt do encrypted swapfiles?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: dunno... but you could ask those people in there
[10:25] <chris__> hyper_ch: no..... dont think so
[10:25] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: the one advantage that I see that truecrypt has over dm-crypt is the windoze compatibility... especially when using encrypted usb sticks
[10:25] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | chris__
[10:25] <ubotu> chris__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:26] <hyper_ch> chris__: and now plz pastebin the output of this command (executed in a terminal):    sudo fdisk -l
[10:26] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Well, if I were sharing an encrypted swapfile on a FAT32 partiton..but truth is, the swapfile is just a container and is "random" as far as either OS is concerned.  It'd matter more if I wanted to use the swap space for hibernation, but...
[10:26] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: In any case, I can't seem to find a truecrypt channel either.  And I kind of doubt that truecrypt will be any better than dm-crypt for my needs.
[10:26] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: I was just pointing out the one advantage that truecrypt has over dm-crpyt... there might be more but I don't know
[10:27] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Well, far as I'm aware, you can use free_otfe to use linux encrypted partitions/files in windows.  The big key, of course, is the filesystem.
[10:28] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Maybe truecrypt has a better GUI.
[10:28] <kuwanger> *shrugs*
[10:28] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: the only reason I know of this advantage is because truecrypt was developped for windoze and then ported to linux
[10:28] <kuwanger> Thanks for trying to help, anyways.
[10:30] <chris__> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22336/
[10:31] <hyper_ch> chris__: and now pastebin:  cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:33] <chris__> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22337/
[10:34] <sephnroth> i went back to xineorama - deciding it was better to put up with the sigsegv on boot >>;
[10:34] <sephnroth> still, hope it gets fixed soon
[10:34] <hyper_ch> chris__: somehow it was commented out... let's fix that
[10:34] <hyper_ch> chris__: open the menu.lst as root:     sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:34] <hyper_ch> chris__: use page-down keys to get to the end of the file
[10:34] <sephnroth> does anyone know if i can stop wine from resizing the virtual desktop and instead to stretch? i wanna run starcraft in a 1024x768 window
[10:34] <sephnroth> but it just resizes to 640x480
[10:35] <PhinnFort> !java
[10:35] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:35] <chris__> hyper_ch: ok
[10:36] <hyper_ch> chris__: remove the # from the last few entires:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22338/
[10:37] <chris__> hyper_ch: done
[10:38] <hyper_ch> then press   ctrl-x  to exit nano
[10:38] <hyper_ch> it will ask you whether you want to save the file
[10:38] <hyper_ch> press "y"
[10:38] <hyper_ch> and then hit "enter" to accept the default name
[10:38] <hyper_ch> and now you should have it available
[10:39] <chris__> hyper_ch: ok im gonna reboot if i dont come back on thanx for the help u have been a life saver
[10:39] <hyper_ch> chris__:
[10:40] <hyper_ch> chris__: don't thank too early
[10:43] <chris__> hyper_ch: thanx it worked
[10:44] <hyper_ch> chris__: did it also boot?
[10:44] <chris__> hyper_ch: umm..... let you know in 10 minuets
[10:47] <azzco> I have a slight problem with wine since I upgraded to Feisty, does anyone know if they've done some configuration settings for wine?
[10:49] <audiowork> How does kubuntu do installing server apps?
[10:50] <hyper_ch> audiowork: what apps?
[10:50] <chris__> hyper_ch: loaded up just fine thank you very much
[10:51] <hyper_ch> chris__: your welcome... strange that the upgrade did uncomment the windoze entry
[10:52] <chris__> hyper_ch: im just glad that it is so easy to get help with linux apps.
[10:52] <audiowork> hyper_ch: glftpd, possibly named, squid
[10:52] <audiowork> a few eggdrops, bnc etc
[10:52] <hyper_ch> audiowork: open a terminal:   sudo apt-get install squid bind9
[10:53] <audiowork> i didnt install kubuntu yet
[10:53] <hyper_ch> audiowork: and for the rest, just do it the same way by using their names
[10:53] <audiowork> i was a slackware user years back
[10:53] <chris__> hyper_ch: again thanx
[10:53] <audiowork> not even familair with sudo apt-get command
[10:53] <hyper_ch> audiowork: well, apt-get and aptitude are the command line utilities... difference is that aptitude installs the recommended packages also... while apt-get does only the necessary ones
[10:54] <RawSewage> whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[10:54] <RawSewage> oh sorry
[10:54] <RawSewage> nm
[10:54] <hyper_ch> audiowork: or you can use Adept or Synaptic --> those are GUIs which access in the end all the same stuff
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> aptitude resolves dependencies
[10:54] <hyper_ch> pvandewyngaerde: apt-get does that also
[10:54] <RawSewage> I didnt read the whole sentence ;-/
[10:54] <audiowork> how deffierent is a debain based system then slackware
[10:55] <audiowork> it seems this kubuntu distro has lots of support and will do what i want
[10:55] <audiowork> but i know my mobo is picky even with m$
[10:55] <RadiantFire> audiowork: the init scripts are completely different, but most other tools are similar
[10:55] <hyper_ch> audiowork: for for Xubuntu ;)
[10:55] <audiowork> X is based on?
[10:55] <RadiantFire> audiowork: read the same
[10:55] <RawSewage> xfce
[10:55] <RadiantFire> audiowork: slackware is probably more solid than a debian system, but at the price of being really old
[10:55] <audiowork> never used
[10:56] <hyper_ch> audiowork: xfce is lightweight... and simple... kde is just too much eye candy and tweaking
[10:56] <hyper_ch> audiowork: at least for me
[10:56] <audiowork> i never used any gui when iw as using slack
[10:56] <RawSewage> Kubuntu is faster than Ubuntu
[10:56] <audiowork> well back in 98 i did
[10:57] <RawSewage> I couldnt even install Ubuntu on my laptop
[10:57] <RawSewage> without the alternate text installer
[10:57] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: "faster" could mean quite a lot
[10:57] <audiowork> i dont want to use gnome
[10:57] <audiowork> well this time around i want to use gui  with kde
[10:57] <audiowork> and run server apps
[10:57] <hyper_ch> audiowork: then try kde or xfce or fluxbox or or or
[10:57] <RadiantFire> Qt is a lil slimmer than gtk in my experience
[10:57] <hyper_ch> audiowork: well, to run a server yu don't need any gui based distro :)
[10:57] <audiowork> i have x1600 ati chipset video card and asus p5wdh mobo
[10:57] <audiowork> hopefully i dont get any hiccups
[10:58] <hyper_ch> audiowork: if you just want to setup servers use the server edition...
[10:58] <RadiantFire> audiowork: try it and see with slack if you want, you boot into a live shell environment
[10:58] <RawSewage> You can always see how it is before installing.  K/Ubuntu uses a Live CD
[10:58] <RawSewage> K/X/Ubuntu
[11:00] <hyper_ch> audiowork: so you want to have a GUI or not?
[11:01] <DaSkreech> how do I know if I have Pyqt bindings installed?
[11:01] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: they come by default with kubuntu
[11:02] <audiowork> cool
[11:02] <audiowork> hyper_ch: ye si want gui
[11:03] <hyper_ch> audiowork: you want a simple straight forward GUI or a nice one?
[11:03] <coreymon77> guys
[11:03] <audiowork> i only have my desktop these days but need to run some server type apps, id like to avoid microsoft so i figured why not give linux a try again
[11:03] <audiowork> hyper_ch: nice ofcourse
[11:03] <coreymon77> when printing something through openoffice, how do i get it to print in reverse order (as in print the last page first)
[11:03] <audiowork> i remember i had a sweet desktop in 98 with linux :)
[11:03] <hyper_ch> audiowork: then get a Mac ;)
[11:03] <audiowork> what was it litestep afterstep or soemthing
[11:03] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: ah
[11:04] <audiowork> hyper_ch: simple straight foward would work too heh
[11:04] <hyper_ch> coreymon77: isn't that in the printing options?
[11:04] <coreymon77> nope
[11:04] <audiowork> plus with KDE theres tons of stuff out there make a cool desktop
[11:04] <coreymon77> doesnt seem to be
[11:04] <hyper_ch> audiowork: nah, if you want a nice, good looking GUI (which is not Gnome) then use KDE
[11:04] <hyper_ch> audiowork: I prefer the more simplistic approach - although Ihave plenty of KDE appz running
[11:05] <coreymon77> hyper_ch: oh, nevermind
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows a neat way of exporting your current amarok playlist/collection across a network for download/perusal ?
[11:05] <coreymon77> hyper_ch: it is, i just must have missed it the first time
[11:05] <audiowork> hyper_ch: yea no knome please
[11:05] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: what version do you have?
[11:06] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: the current version does DAAP export/viewing
[11:06] <animimotus> Hi
[11:06] <audiowork> thats what i was asking aobut server apps. I could always use ubuntu and take off gnome place in kde
[11:06] <hyper_ch> coreymon77: in amarok use ctrl-s to save it as a file?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: : in amarok use ctrl-s to save it as a file?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> coreymon77: sorry, wrong nick
[11:06] <animimotus> I have lost my kdewallet in kwalletmanage, I can create it again
[11:06] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Hmm ok How does one access that?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> audiowork: Then go for Kubuntu
[11:06] <animimotus> +r
[11:06] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: hmmm, email
[11:06] <suntzu> hello all. Is it possible to change the default folder of kmail?
[11:06] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: What
[11:07] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: there is a button on the top right of the collection browser
[11:07] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: ctrl - s --> Save Playlist as....
[11:07] <bozz_> hi guy can anyone help me starting Beryl? I installed it but can't start...
[11:07] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: then you have a file
[11:07] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: and you can add DAAP Share viewer as an audio device manually
[11:07] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: right. how does someone use that across the network to get to my music?
[11:07] <spectrumpac> hola
[11:07] <animimotus> I have rename the whole ~/.kde but I can add a new one with kcontrol or by a right clic in kwalletmanager
[11:07] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Yeah but how do others access it ?
[11:07] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you want to share the music? or just the playlist?
[11:07] <rothchild> bozz you need to launch beryl-manager
[11:08] <RadiantFire> animimotus: if you go into .kde/share/apps you can delete the wallet files
[11:08] <bozz_> rothchild: yes it is running
[11:08] <RadiantFire> the next login creates a new one
[11:08] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: the music. Amarok has a built playlist exporter?
[11:08] <audiowork> hyper_ch: any page with know hardware issues
[11:08] <rothchild> and then select beryl as the window manager
[11:08] <audiowork> i know ati is the worst which i have
[11:08] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: I use gnump3d for mp3/ogg streaming
[11:08] <bozz_> rothchild I get KDE back :s
[11:08] <animimotus> RadiantFire: ah ok, I must delog/relog me ?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Was just looking at that
[11:09] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you need also apache for gnummp3dc
[11:09] <hyper_ch> (I think)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: ok that's too heavy
[11:09] <RadiantFire> animimotus: you might not have to
[11:09] <D1> hello I need help with my  ubuntu
[11:09] <D1> *Kubuntu
[11:09] <DaSkreech> D1: #ubuntu :)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> ok :) ./ then
[11:09] <bozz_> rothchild is there a log file somewhere for beryl?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: not sure about apache... but gnump3d works really well
[11:10] <rothchild> bozz__ sorry i don't know
[11:10] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: got it on my backup server so that I can listen to my music at work
[11:10] <D1> hello I need help with Kubuntu
[11:10] <bozz_> so it should start by selecting beryl there...?
[11:10] <DaSkreech> !ask | D1
[11:10] <ubotu> D1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:11] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: I just tend to think that a webserver is needed as you then create your custom playlist through a webinterface
[11:11] <audiowork> Any orb type application for linux?
[11:11] <bozz_> does anyone know where Beryl puts its log files?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: most have a lightweight weight server
[11:12] <rothchild> yup I normaly start beryl manager and then right click on the diamond on kicker and select beryl as the window manager
[11:12] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: might be :) just try it :)
[11:12] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: sudo apt-get install gnump3d
[11:12] <hyper_ch> and then http://localhost:8888 (the default port)
[11:12] <D1> my Kubuntu allways show error message SU RETURNED WITH AN ERROR
[11:12] <bozz_> thx rothchild I tried the same
[11:12] <animimotus> RadiantFire: I can't, I test with a relog ;)
[11:12] <animimotus> thx
[11:13] <sayers> is there a simple weather checking app for KDE?
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> kweather.. its a panel appplet
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> and its incluede by default
[11:13] <sayers> how do I start it?
[11:14] <RadiantFire> sayers: liquidweather + superkaramba
[11:14] <rothchild> bozz what have you got in your home/username/.logsandkeys/
[11:14] <rothchild> I can see something called beryl.log in mine
[11:14] <D1> my Kubuntu allways show error message SU RETURNED WITH AN ERROR how I can fix it ???
[11:14] <DaSkreech> D1: doesn't say what error?
[11:14] <aroo> How the heck can I unmount an NFS partition when it keeps saying "device is busy"
[11:14] <Ambulance> Bonjour, j'ai un petit problme pour retrouver ma partition windows
[11:15] <Ambulance> si qq'un pouvait m'aider ce serait gnial!
[11:15] <bozz_> rothchild I don't have such a folder
[11:15] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: From the collection?
[11:15] <RadiantFire> aroo: do you have any programs running that might be using the mount point?
[11:15] <D1> e jebem vam majku
[11:15] <aroo> Not that I can tell
[11:15] <aroo> I've closed everything
[11:16] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: what do you mean "from the collection"?
[11:16] <rothchild> bozz_ ok try using find file and folders in the k start menu and search for *beryl* that'll settle it
[11:16] <RadiantFire> aroo: I think there is a force command
[11:16] <aroo> I'll check the man
[11:16] <audiowork> hows support for all sata drives hdd optical?
[11:16] <RadiantFire> aroo: try the -f flag
[11:17] <AFaith> helli people :)
[11:17] <AFaith> hello*
[11:17] <bozz_> rothchild ok running
[11:17] <RadiantFire> that seems logical
[11:17] <aroo> I did and it spams me with "Device or resource is busy"
[11:17] <AFaith> can anyone of you point me to a tutorial that i can learn how to setup a local email server ?
[11:17] <RadiantFire> try as super user
[11:17] <aroo> I am doing it as su :(
[11:17] <Ambulance> is anyone who speaks french here ?
[11:17] <RadiantFire> oh
[11:17] <RadiantFire> thats really weird
[11:17] <aroo> I know lol
[11:17] <hyper_ch> !fr | Ambulance
[11:17] <sayers> RadiantFire: where is superkaramba?
[11:18] <ubotu> Ambulance: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:18] <D1> whats wrong
[11:18] <Ambulance> merci !
[11:18] <hyper_ch> AFaith: hmm, a local one?
[11:18] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: how does it know where to get the music?
[11:18] <RadiantFire> superkaramba is available in the repositories
[11:18] <animimotus> RadiantFire: it works now, thx
[11:18] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: well, the config defines the folder where it looks for the music... by default it's /var/music
[11:18] <DaSkreech> D1: what command are you using?
[11:18] <RadiantFire> animimotus: coolness
[11:18] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you will need to alter the /etc/gnump3d/gnump3d.conf  file
[11:18] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: ah where is that? /etc
[11:18] <RadiantFire> sayers: liquidweather you will have to download
[11:18] <DaSkreech> damn ;-(
[11:19] <D1> just show this message
[11:19] <AFaith> yes hyper_ch, a local one. only for my network :)
[11:19] <coreymon77> sayers: in other words, you have to apt it, it doesnt come preinstalled
[11:19] <DaSkreech> D1: without you doing anything?
[11:19] <D1> yes
[11:20] <david2> If I hit apply when I change any kde settings it should save it on the next reboot right?
[11:20] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: check here:   http://www.ubuntugeek.com/streaming-media-server-in-ubuntu-gnulinux-using-gnump3d.html
[11:20] <sayers> coreymon77: i know ;)
[11:20] <D1> and when try programs  for super user
[11:20] <hyper_ch> AFaith: can't help you then
[11:20] <RawSewage> david2, most take effect immediately
[11:20] <david2> It's raining cats and dogs outside
[11:20] <D1> nd when try run origrams for super users
[11:20] <AFaith> hyper_ch: why ?
[11:21] <coreymon77> david2: its boiling hot here
[11:21] <david2> I didnt ask that.. the setting should be there on the next reboot
[11:21] <DaSkreech> D1: can you type sudo ls ?
[11:21] <coreymon77> david2: theres even a smog warning
[11:21] <hyper_ch> I just followed Falco's perfect howto to setup my debian server... it includes also email server... but not sure if that works for local network only
[11:21] <david2> I have to keeo pn resetting stuff
[11:21] <RawSewage> david2, oh
[11:21] <D1> no
[11:21] <RawSewage> btw, I really think they need to make Kubuntu so it starts with an EMPTY session on reboot
[11:22] <AFaith> hyper_ch: the only difference between a local email server and a full-internet-availlble one it's that i don't have a qualified domain name
[11:22] <coreymon77> RawSewage: i believe thats a setable option
[11:22] <hyper_ch> http://www.howtoforge.com --> setup of an server to act as ISP
[11:22] <RawSewage> coreymon77, it is.  but it should be like that by default
[11:22] <coreymon77> why
[11:22] <coreymon77> i like it
[11:22] <AFaith> hyper_ch: i've already seen those pages
[11:23] <RawSewage> because you gain baggage over time
[11:23] <coreymon77> RawSewage: if you dont want it, you can set it
[11:23] <RawSewage> and your system starts getting slower and slower
[11:23] <DaSkreech> D1: can you sudo su ?
[11:23] <RawSewage> and the average user doesnt know why their system is getting slower and slower
[11:23] <RawSewage> and then they get upset, and switch to Ubuntu
[11:23] <D1> no beacuse system restart after message
[11:23] <coreymon77> RawSewage: just close programs when you reboot
[11:23] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you saw the URL?
[11:23] <RawSewage> Another thing:  Does anyone reallly use 1-click?
[11:24] <D1> I`m now using Feisty Fawn  ubuntu
[11:24] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Yeah but I think I killed the service
[11:24] <RawSewage> coreymon77,  there's hidden things too
[11:24] <coreymon77> RawSewage: yup
[11:24] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: what did you do?
[11:24] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: :-)
[11:24] <coreymon77> RawSewage: i do
[11:24] <RawSewage> coreymon77, runaway processes
[11:24] <rothchild> RawSewage: me too
[11:25] <RawSewage> 1-clicik?
[11:25] <RawSewage> I bet most people change it to 2-click
[11:25] <RawSewage> maybe they should have a poll
[11:26] <jarn> How do I tell if my USB ports are in use?
[11:26] <RawSewage> or ask Linus Torvalds what settings he uses
[11:26] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: what's not working anymore?
[11:27] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Fixed
[11:27] <bruno__> hello?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: does it have an integrated webserver?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> hello bruno__
[11:28] <bruno__> so yeah kubuntu kinda kicks ass
[11:28] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Si :-)
[11:28] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: good to know :)
[11:28] <Graham> Hey, Kopete is being really shitty, how can I reset it's config to when it was installed?
[11:28] <pastor> Hi ppl.
[11:28] <hyper_ch> bruno__: have you tried Xubuntu yet? ^^
[11:29] <DaSkreech> Graham: aptitude purge kopete
[11:29] <Graham> Didn't work.
[11:29] <hyper_ch> hi pastor
[11:29] <pastor> I have a wireless question for someone...
[11:29] <pastor> any takers?
[11:29] <hyper_ch> !question | pastor
[11:29] <ubotu> pastor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:29] <Graham> pastor: Just ask.
[11:29] <bruno__> no, what exactly is xubuntu? though I have heard of it
[11:29] <Graham> I know wireless like... fairly well.
[11:29] <hyper_ch> bruno__: same as ubuntu or kubuntu just with a different Desktop Environment :)
[11:30] <pastor> ok, I have my wireless set up, and I can see the strong signal, but it won't connect. Is there something I am missing?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> bruno__: if you don't want all that eye candy stuff or have an older machine then you want to check out Xubuntu :)
[11:30] <bruno__> oh nice! well I actually run kubuntu in the gnome experience, but use a lot of kde apps. i might give xubuntu a spin, who know?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> pastor: encrypted network?
[11:30] <pastor> no
[11:30] <hyper_ch> bruno__: well, I'm using Xubuntu and plenty of kde apps :)
[11:30] <pastor> no encryption
[11:30] <Graham> pastor: Join #lf_flood
[11:31] <bruno__> sweet I might give it a run. for some reason I really like kde apps, but not the whole desktop environs
[11:32] <hyper_ch> bruno__: same here... I run konversation, kopete, amarok, konqueror, kate, kontact, ktorrent all in xubuntu :)
[11:32] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, is it faster than running it in Kubuntu
[11:32] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: no clue...
[11:33] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 288/897GB, RAM: 996/1010MB, 152 proc's, 1.3d up
[11:33] <bruno__> sweet, kate and kopete rock my socks off
[11:33] <sayers> How do I configure Amarok with Devices?
[11:33] <randyzlinux> hi
[11:33] <RawSewage> I use Kate-Lite  i.e.  KWrite
[11:34] <hyper_ch> !info kwrite
[11:34] <ubotu> Package kwrite does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:34] <randyzlinux> just installed kubuntu
[11:34] <RawSewage> !pastebin
[11:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:34] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: what is kwrite?
[11:35] <hyper_ch> bruno__: I like konqueror/kate combo for coding my stuff
[11:35] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, it's in the Kate directory, but it's lighter
[11:35] <bruno__> why konqueror exactly, isn't that just a web browser?
[11:35] <audiowork> will my NTFS drives be seen and useable after install?
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Bye all
[11:36] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: does it have color highlighting and code-folding?
[11:36] <hyper_ch> bruno__: konqueror for me is rather a system explorer.... it's a multi-pane file manager
[11:36] <RawSewage> it has color highlighting.  by folding , do you mean collapsing brackets
[11:36] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: yes
[11:37] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, yes, it has that
[11:37] <Ober0ne> hello
[11:37] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: and regex?
[11:37] <Ober0ne> just wondering how to change folder permissions
[11:37] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, you can just try it.  it's already installed
[11:37] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, kwrite
[11:37] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWrite
[11:38] <coreymon77> audiowork: in kubuntu you mean?
[11:38] <hyper_ch> so what's teh difference between kate and kwrite?
[11:38] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, why don't you just see for yourself ?
[11:38] <coreymon77> hyper_ch: kinda like the diff between notepad and wordpad in doze
[11:38] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, Kwritehas less features
[11:38] <HymnToLife> basically, Kate has some features kwrite doesn't
[11:39] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: are you the same HymnToLife in ubuntuforums.org?
[11:39] <HymnToLife> like having more than one file opened in the same window, or sessions management
[11:39] <randyzlinux> do they make a verion of Audacity or Paltalk for linux?
[11:39] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, yes
[11:39] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: the one with the cute picture and the incredible high bean count :)
[11:39] <RawSewage> randyzlinux, Audacity is basically made for Linux
[11:39] <RawSewage> it uses ALSA
[11:39] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, that's the one :p
[11:40] <randyzlinux> what about  paltalk?
[11:40] <hyper_ch> well, thx for telling differences between kate and kwrite... Ineed multi-session support so it's kate then
[11:40] <RawSewage> randyzlinux, idk
[11:40] <coreymon77> randyzlinux: and paltalk should work with wine, you just need to install ies4linux
[11:40] <HymnToLife> only Kate is installed by default in Kubuntu IIRC
[11:41] <HymnToLife> Kwrite and Kedit aren't
[11:41] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: since you are French what is the correct why of naming/spelling that beer/soda mix?  Panache ou panach?
[11:41] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, panach
[11:41] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, Kwrite is
[11:41] <audiowork> coreymon77> audiowork: in kubuntu you mean? < yes
[11:41] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: merci beaucoup ma chre
[11:42] <randyzlinux> where can i get ies4linux?
[11:42] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, at least it is in Feisty
[11:42] <coreymon77> audiowork: with a bit of setup,yes
[11:42] <HymnToLife> I'll take your word for it, I havent installed Kubuntu in a while
[11:42] <audiowork> as long as my sata burner works and i can burn my isos and .dvd DL files im ok
[11:42] <coreymon77> randyzlinux: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation
[11:42] <randyzlinux> tyvm for your help
[11:43] <coreymon77> randyzlinux: no problem, thats what we are here for
[11:43] <meloso> QUESTION does Kubunto comes with any security packages???
[11:43] <randyzlinux> how do i quit this chat
[11:43] <coreymon77> do you want to quit the program, or just the room?
[11:44] <randyzlinux> program
[11:44] <HymnToLife> meloso, define "security packages"
[11:44] <coreymon77> the "x" icon, top right corner of the program window
[11:44] <randyzlinux> ok ty
[11:44] <HymnToLife> randyzlinux, click the X at the upper right corner ?
[11:44] <OlliK> BERYL
[11:44] <meloso> as an ip sniffers etc...
[11:45] <coreymon77> OlliK: i dont think there is any reason to be yelling here
[11:45] <coreymon77> OlliK: lower case works just fine
[11:45] <hyper_ch> hmm, going to bed or watching Curse of the Golden Flower...
[11:45] <coreymon77> meloso: i believe so
[11:46] <OlliK> coreymon77: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to yell. meloso seems to be yelling as well...
[11:46] <coreymon77> meloso: apt is your friend
[11:46] <hudsy> hi
[11:46] <coreymon77> meloso: you too, no need for caps
[11:46] <OlliK> hudsy: Hi!
[11:46] <hudsy> I have a little problem
[11:46] <HymnToLife> hudsy, state it, then ;)
[11:46] <OlliK> hudsy: Go ahead.. what kind of problem is it?
[11:46] <coreymon77> !ask | hudsy
[11:46] <ubotu> hudsy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:46] <HymnToLife> we can't help you if you don't
[11:47] <RawSewage> I can.  Im a 4400
[11:47] <hudsy> in amsn 0.97 i cant connect i need to download smthig of tsl.sf.net but i dont know wat
[11:47] <OlliK> hudsy: It's ok to ask directly, don't worry of it being inpolite, it's easier for everyone if question comes directly. :)
[11:47] <HymnToLife> dthacker, define "little answers" ?
[11:47] <hudsy> ok
[11:47] <RawSewage> he wants to know about sound
[11:48] <dthacker> HymnToLife: the kind Ubotu gives :)
[11:48] <HymnToLife> dthacker, U-bot-u is a *bot*, don't expect it to be smart ;)
[11:49] <HymnToLife> I cannot remember the birthdays of the whole channel :p
[11:50] <Ambulance> could you give me again the french channel plz ???
[11:50] <HymnToLife> !fr
[11:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:50] <Ambulance> merci !
[11:50] <HymnToLife> I wonder if I should go there sometimes
[11:50] <HymnToLife> just for the fun of it :p
[11:50] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: why?
[11:50] <jarn> Is there a way to see if my USB ports are in use? Not just have stuff connected, but actually in use? Like sendingreceiving data?
[11:50] <jarn> sending/receiving, that is.
[11:51] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: Franais est vraiment difficile  comprendre
[11:51] <HymnToLife> true
[11:51] <HymnToLife> I'm glad I don't have to learn it as second language :p
[11:51] <andres__> Oh ok thanks.. ALso another questions is there a big difference between Ubunto and Kubontu OS?
[11:51] <HymnToLife> (but I learn German, which is almost as hard...)
[11:51] <jack> hi everybody
[11:52] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: especialment si "ton vis--vis" est une belle femme... c'est difficile  concentrer de quoi elle parle parce que tu admires sa beaut *g*
[11:52] <phisrow> Andres: virtually no difference. It is just a matter of GNOME or KDE being installed by default.
[11:52] <dthacker> I'm attempting to use the newexchange connection method of Kontact to connect to an Exchange server.  I'm using a webdavs URL to connect.  The webdavs URL works in konqueror.  when I hit the "syncronize folders" button, I get no feedback.  Is there a way to force it into superdebug mode?
[11:52] <HymnToLife> andres__, nothing much, just the software that's installed by default in them, the "core" is the same
[11:52] <jack> i have a little question: can someone please tell me how to rebuild the xorg.conf?
[11:52] <phisrow> Both systems use the same packages and repos.
[11:52] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: hmmm, je pense qu'allemand n'est pas si difficle :)
[11:52] <hyper_ch> jack: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:53] <jack> hyper_ch: thx!!!
[11:53] <HymnToLife> I guess we're going a bit offtopic here :p
[11:53] <andres__> phsrow: so if i watch a video tutorial of ubunto would it matter when using kubunto ?
[11:53] <HymnToLife> andres__, if it uses the GUI, yes
[11:54] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: isn't ubuntu about cultural understanding? ;) well, I don't wanna know how many mistakes that long phrase has that I wrote in french - or better tried to write
[11:54] <HymnToLife> a few, but it was still pefectly understandable
[11:55] <andres__> oh ok .. that makes more sence
[11:55] <hyper_ch> andres__: what kind of tutorial?
[11:56] <andres__> well im new to linux so im trying to get familiar with the commands. So i saw that UBUNTU has a dvd avaliable
[11:56] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: it's been a long time since I had french at school and since I was in a mixed battery in the armed forces and visiting Reasmey 1-2 weeks per year just doesn't help improving my french a lot
[11:56] <hyper_ch> andres__: well, what do you try to achieve?
[11:56] <andres__> So i was wondering if I get that would help me at all  while i use KUBUNTU
[11:57] <phisrow> andres: Some of the user interface stuff would be different, as KDE and GNOME use different programs by default.
[11:57] <phisrow> The introduction to Linux concepts would probably carry reasonably well.
[11:57] <phisrow> And you can always install GNOME programs on KDE and vice versa.
[11:57] <hyper_ch> andres__: well, I think the dvd is only needed if you have no or a very slow internet access... you see, most software for linux you get through repositories on the net... and the DVD just has plenty of them on it
[11:58] <andres__> Well i just want to get familiar with linux Since i want to go for network security at College
[11:58] <Ace2016> phisrow: yes you can run gnome apps in kde and you can run kde apps in gnome
[11:59] <hyper_ch> andres__: just go ahead and install it... there are some differences in the desktop and default applications between ubuntu / kubuntu / xubuntu but the logic behind is for all the same
[11:59] <alxj> hi
[12:00] <Ace2016> hi
[12:00] <alxj> i have a liittle problem with kubuntu
[12:00] <hyper_ch> !question | alxj
[12:00] <ubotu> alxj: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:01] <alxj> when i copy or delete a file, i have un dialog box
[12:01] <alxj> it ok, but i dont have a progress bar
[12:01] <alxj> see my snapshot http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=122232
[12:01] <Andres1__> So what would be the best way to get familiar with linux while using kubuntu?
[12:02] <timmy> in my view
[12:02] <timmy> try searching ubuntu guides
[12:02] <coreymon77> Andres1__: by using it
[12:02] <hyper_ch> Andres1__: by using it
[12:02] <dthacker> Andres1__: pick a task that you want to do regularly, and then do that task
[12:02] <coreymon77> Andres1__: same way you get familliar with anything
[12:02] <Ace2016> Andres1__: installing gentoo next to it, kubuntu is well polished and there are few things the user has to do by himself
[12:02] <alxj> i have the same /home/me/.kde/config since long time
[12:02] <hyper_ch> alxj: it says how it progresses
[12:03] <hyper_ch> alxj: I don't see what your problem is
[12:03] <alxj> i tried to delete /home/me/.kde/config/kdeglobal  but i dont the progressbar
[12:03] <coreymon77> Andres1__: just go along with what you normally do, but instead of using windoze (i assume that is what os you just came fom) use linux
[12:03] <alxj> i want to have a progresse as when you are donloading something with firefox
[12:03] <alxj>  - un progressbar -
[12:04] <kubuntian> suppose that an application is HIDDENLY using a device like /dev/dsp for audio output
[12:04] <Ace2016> alxj: are you saying that the program used to have a progress bar and now it doesn't and you want it back? is this just that app or every app?
[12:04] <kubuntian> is there a way of killing all the applications that are keeping taht resource busy?
[12:04] <alxj> i would like to have something like that http://www.layangan.com/asfik/assignments/imk/progress.png
[12:05] <hyper_ch> alxj: then alter your skin/version... as you don't have the original one... I guess it's because of that that it displays it in %
[12:05] <Ace2016> what does >boite de dialogue de progression< mean?
[12:06] <alxj> dialog box of progressing
[12:06] <Ace2016> is that kget?
[12:07] <alxj> no installed
[12:07] <alxj> its juste coping a file form konqueror to my desktop
[12:07] <alxj> sorry: it's copiing a file from konqueror to my desktop
[12:07] <alxj> :)
[12:08] <Ace2016> it looks cool i want it like that
[12:08] <alxj> me no :)
[12:08] <dthacker> Does Kubuntu have packages for KDE 3.5.7 yet?  The Kontact folks are recommending an upgrade.
[12:08] <RadiantFire> yes it does
[12:08] <phisrow> dthacker: I think the packages came out today.
[12:08] <RawSewage> is it safe to upgrade to 3.5.7
[12:08] <phisrow> You need to enable the repository manually.
[12:08] <alxj> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[12:08] <phisrow> Check the kubuntu.org page for a bit about it.
[12:08] <dthacker> ooo, bleeding edge.   How brave do I feel?
[12:09] <RawSewage> forget that
[12:09] <RawSewage> I tried KDE4 alpha and ended up reformatting/reinstalling
[12:09] <RadiantFire> oh no
[12:09] <dthacker> KDE4 is another world RawSewage
[12:09] <hyper_ch> doesn't feisty use kde4?
[12:09] <RawSewage> KDE4 isnt out yet
[12:09] <RawSewage> it's only in alpha stage
[12:10] <RawSewage> it's coming out end of October, I believe
[12:10] <hyper_ch> oh... I thought they wanted to implement kde 4 in feisty
[12:10] <dthacker> hyper_ch: no, the best way to play with KDE4 is to download one of the Live CD's
[12:10] <RadiantFire> thats what we like virtual machines for
[12:10] <dthacker> or ^^^^^^
[12:10] <hyper_ch> dthacker: I can live without kde ^^
[12:10] <RawSewage> Now I know what Alpha means
[12:10] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: Alpha is the beginning
[12:11] <alxj> so how to config Progress Dialogs , it the question..
[12:12] <RawSewage> lol
[12:12] <RawSewage> dthacker, do you have one
[12:13] <dthacker> thank you riddell and companions
[12:13] <dthacker> RawSewage: oh yeah.  I've got one....or two....
[12:13] <_defcon> where do I find the setting to double click to open a folder or 1 click
[12:14] <_defcon> kde seems very disorganized, guess I gotta do that myself
[12:14] <_defcon> lol
[12:14] <_defcon> once organized=will rock
[12:14] <RadiantFire> _defcon: everyone says its disorganized, I disagree
[12:14] <_defcon> RadiantFire, you can organize it yourself
[12:14] <_defcon> thats why it isnt
[12:14] <_defcon> the menu's arent in abc order
[12:14] <RadiantFire> _defcon: true, but I've never had to, and things do what I tell them to generally