[07:25] <doko> cpaelzer: could you have a look at migrating mysql and mariadb packages? or somebody else ...
[07:39] <cpaelzer> doko: I'll ask rbasak to look as he is more mysql'y than myself
[07:39] <cpaelzer> but I'll take a look myself if there is anything easy I can help with once I'm done with my current task
[09:26] <LocutusOfBorg> stgraber, what is your opinion wrt libxml-sax-perl ? is the patch still needed? can we forward upstream?
[10:17] <Unit193> Hello, any hints as to why ppc64el failed?  It shouldn't have, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/4.13.2-0ubuntu1
[10:26] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, pbuilder-dist cosmic ppc64el create && pbuilder-dist cosmic ppc64el login? :)
[10:26] <Unit193> Not quite how I have my pbuilder set up, but that seems unideal.
[10:27] <LocutusOfBorg> why? it works!
[10:27]  * LocutusOfBorg is trying this
[10:30] <Unit193> Just seems odd that it was the only one to fail, and it wasn't an issue solved by autoreconf.
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, they are installable to me
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> I retried the build
[10:39] <Unit193> Yes, precisely why it's weird...
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> I did some perl stuff, and python is doing some weird things because of transition maybe...
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> it is working now, meh
[12:05] <davidgiluk> rharper: You're bouncing on oftc/#qemu   rharper left the room (quit: Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))).     about every 20 seconds
[12:15] <infinity> ahasenack: *poke*
[12:15] <infinity> ahasenack: You around?
[12:15] <infinity> ahasenack: Looks like it's time to revert the mod-proxy-uwsgi revert from your last upload (uwsgi no longer builds the module).
[12:17] <infinity> ahasenack: Erm, referring to apache2, that is.
[12:21] <ahasenack> infinity: hi
[12:21] <ahasenack> infinity: we should start using the one from apache now then?
[12:21] <infinity> ahasenack: Aye/
[12:21] <infinity> ahasenack: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/371383267/apache2_2.4.33-3ubuntu1_2.4.33-3ubuntu2.diff.gz
[12:21] <infinity> ahasenack: Just revert every bit that refers to uwsgi, IMO.
[12:22] <infinity> ahasenack: I'd do that myself, but I don't want to be TIL.
[12:22] <ahasenack> infinity: ok, I'll do it. And then the other source will be removed from the archive?
[12:22] <infinity> ahasenack: The other binary, you mean.  Which it'll be replacing.
[12:23] <ahasenack> it comes from its own source, but yeah, its binary
[12:23] <infinity> ahasenack: There's a lot more in the uwsgi source than just that binary. :)
[12:23] <ahasenack> I see
[12:23] <infinity> ahasenack: Only mod-proxy-uwsgi was dropped (because it's now part of apache)
[12:23] <infinity> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=894785
[12:23] <ahasenack> and that's the only bit that is failing to build I assume
[12:24] <infinity> ahasenack: No build failures.  It's that things depend on libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi, which no longer exists because you aren't building it. :P
[12:24] <infinity> (or, it will no longer exist if I were to remove the NBS package)
[12:25] <ahasenack> ah, no longer builds == on purpose no longer builds
[12:25] <infinity> Yes.
[12:25] <infinity> As in, this transition happened in Debian, and you undid half of it. :)
[12:26] <infinity> And then we synced the other half.
[12:26] <ahasenack> for a reason, I think we were missing that sync of the other half
[12:26] <infinity> Likely.
[12:26] <ahasenack> it was stuck in migration
[12:26] <ahasenack> it will all come back to me once I re-enable it
[12:26] <infinity> Danke.
[12:27] <infinity> Can that happen today?
[12:27] <rbasak> ahasenack: and when you're done with that, submit your core dev application already :)
[12:27] <infinity> If not, I'll grumpily do it myself, but then nag you about taking apache2 back. :P
[12:27] <infinity> Oh, if you don't have upload rights, I can just do it in your name and pretend I sponsored it for you.  *cough*
[12:28] <ahasenack> infinity: no grumpyness needed, I'm just starting my day, plenty of time. But I'll need reviews from my peers, it's how we have been doing things. But I guess you can review it if you are still aroun
[12:28] <rbasak> He can upload apache2 I think - through the server packageset
[12:28] <rbasak> But still
[12:28] <rbasak> Core dev.
[12:28] <rbasak> ahasenack: I think infinity would count as your peer from our team's peer review perspective
[12:29] <infinity> I might still be on your team!
[12:29] <infinity> The oldest member, no less.
[12:29] <ahasenack> didn't mean to imply otherwise :)
[12:30] <ahasenack> rbasak: I still have some checkboxes to tick in that checklist of yours ;)
[12:30] <rbasak> infinity: the second oldest member. Looks like you were beaten by 24 seconds :-P
[12:31] <ahasenack> we have that kind of resolution?
[12:31] <rbasak> Mouse hover
[12:31] <infinity> rbasak: Curses.
[12:31] <infinity> rbasak: Deactivating Fabio would fix that.
[12:31] <infinity> Pretty sure he hasn't contributed in about a decade.
[12:32] <rbasak> There are tons of people in ~ubuntu-server who don't appear to have ever been involved at all.
[12:32] <infinity> Yeah, some past admins were a bit nutty with the accept button.
[12:32] <infinity> Because building a "community" was more important to them than a useful team.
[12:33] <rbasak> It's an open team. There is no accept button.
[12:33] <infinity> Oh, or that.
[12:33] <infinity> I thought it was once closed.
[12:33] <infinity> But I could be misremembering.
[12:35] <ahasenack> ubuntu-server-dev is the more crucial one in terms of privileges
[12:36] <infinity> Yeah, that didn't exist (cause packagesets didn't) back in "my day".
[12:36] <infinity> WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE.
[12:46] <Unit193> Where you ever?
[12:46] <doko> Unit193: are you handling the thunar transition?
[12:47] <Unit193> doko: Yes, should be only one package left.
[12:47] <doko> ta
[12:47] <Unit193> xfconf should be one too, and that's also going to be done real soon™
[13:07] <juliank> Phasing of update-notifier uploads has stopped due to https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/4844575ab1a533f9e47d6fdde541010e267bd9d3 - but all I did was move around some print statements (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/375023334/update-notifier_3.168.8_3.168.9.diff.gz), does anyone see anything I'm missing?
[13:10] <infinity> juliank: Clearly not a new crash.
[13:10] <juliank> It does seem familiar
[13:10] <infinity> juliank: Well, the list of versions at the bottom confirms it's not new. :P
[13:10] <infinity> Or, wait.  Unless those are all current SRU versins?
[13:10] <juliank> infinity: no, these are all my SRUs
[13:11] <infinity> Indeed they are.
[13:11] <infinity> Hrm.
[13:12] <infinity> Colour me stumped.
[13:14] <juliank> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/882882
[13:15] <juliank> I think xnox's comment from 2012 explains it
[13:15] <juliank> "What happens is that debconf database is locked and status ends up as empty string."
[13:15] <juliank> why it's locked, though, no idea
[13:15] <juliank> another one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/537952
[13:15] <infinity> juliank: Maybe, yeah, but why just now?
[13:15] <infinity> juliank: Seems fishy.
[13:16] <infinity> Granted, only 6 total reports, but still weird that it's only on that version.
[13:17] <juliank> timing issue?
[13:17] <juliank> the first print moved after the database opening now
[13:18] <juliank> (well, and after db shutdown)
[13:18] <infinity> Could be.
[13:19] <juliank> infinity: no reports from artful yet
[13:19] <infinity> I suspect the number of people using artful isn't high.
[13:19] <infinity> So that makes sense.
[13:19] <juliank> true
[13:22] <xnox> juliank, sorry, i forgot.
[13:22] <ahasenack> infinity: local test build worked, upgrade with dpkg -i with old uwsgi installed worked, just waiting on a ppa build to try with apt
[13:22] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/apache2-restore-uwsgi/+packages
[13:23] <infinity> ahasenack: Pointer to the PPA, so I can re... Thanks. :)
[13:23] <ahasenack> branch is https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+git/apache2/+ref/apache2-restore-uwsgi
[13:23] <ahasenack> not an mp yet, pending that ppa
[13:23] <juliank> xnox: there's nothing you have to be sorry about, your comment helps.
[13:24] <juliank> I wonder what locks the debconf db
[13:24] <juliank> Like, for my problem, is package-data-downloader run inside a maintainer script that does debconf itself?
[13:24] <infinity> ahasenack: Diff looks sane to me.
[13:25] <infinity> juliank: It very much could be, yes.
[13:26] <infinity> juliank: Try installing flashplugin-installer and see what happens?
[13:26] <infinity> juliank: Or ttf-mscorefonts-installer, but it might be broken in other ways.
[13:26] <juliank> infinity: I have that installed on my system for testing
[13:26] <juliank> in cosmic
[13:26] <juliank> but I tested those for the SRU verification
[13:27] <juliank> maybe I need to have both installed?
[13:28] <juliank> Well, I do
[13:31] <juliank> infinity: that seems to be it
[13:31] <juliank> . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule; /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader
[13:31] <juliank> fails
[13:31] <juliank> like that
[13:31] <juliank> But this does not really explain it
[13:33] <juliank> /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader gets run from update-notifier-common.postinst only, at least here
[13:35] <ahasenack> infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+git/apache2/+merge/348679
[13:35] <ahasenack> rbasak: ^
[13:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: we should find out why lp can't get the diff correctly for the apache package
[13:36] <infinity> ahasenack: libjansson4 being removed... Is that because you didn't re-add it to build-deps?
[13:36] <ahasenack> infinity: that is because of the md module, which I'm still not building
[13:36] <ahasenack> I'm not changing it in this diff
[13:37] <infinity> ahasenack: No, I mean it's listed for autoremoval when you remove libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi ..
[13:37]  * ahasenack checks
[13:37] <infinity> ahasenack: Or is that just cause your system is in a state where that was already on the hit list?
[13:38] <ahasenack> I started with a fresh cosmic container, just as the testing description says
[13:38] <ahasenack> let me see what I get out of the box
[13:38] <infinity> ahasenack: Kay, uwsgi-core depends on it.
[13:38] <infinity> ahasenack: But I'm wonder if apache2 would too, if you had it in build-deps and the module build detected it, that's all.
[13:39] <ahasenack> I will check. I thought it was because of the md module, as that's why debian added it to build-deps in https://salsa.debian.org/apache-team/apache2/commit/b9d37f2a96da2fd69bf
[13:41] <infinity> $ rgrep -l jansson | grep modules
[13:41] <infinity> modules/md/mod_md.dsp
[13:41] <infinity> modules/md/md_json.c
[13:41] <infinity> modules/md/config2.m4
[13:41] <infinity> modules/md/mod_md.mak
[13:41] <infinity> Yeah, the source agrees.
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> stgraber, I merged it, please correct me if I'm wrong, maybe we can upload a revert and let it be syncd on next update
[13:41] <ahasenack> just md?
[13:41] <infinity> So, just a weird coincidence is all.
[13:43] <infinity> rbasak: If I sponsor this the usual way and don't bother with the MP (other than to review and mark it merged), some magical import tool will DTRT, right?
[13:43] <infinity> Like, I don't actually need to commit this to git just to make your tooling happy?
[13:44] <ahasenack> infinity: the original uwsgi-mod-proxy package recommends uwsgi-core, that's where jansson4 comes from. The new libapache2 transitional package doesn't to that of course, nor does apache2-bin (where mod-proxy-uwsgi lives now)
[13:44] <infinity> Oh, not that I'm in the list of reviewers anyway. :P
[13:44] <ahasenack> infinity: ops
[13:45] <ahasenack> autopilot, sorry
[13:45] <ahasenack> infinity: it's infinity in lp too?
[13:45] <infinity> ahasenack: Yeah.  I meant it's a weird coincidence that uwsgi-core and mod_md happened to have that same dep and caused the confusion on my part. :)
[13:45] <rbasak> infinity: the magic isn't implemented yet
[13:45] <ahasenack> no, adconrad
[13:45] <infinity> ahasenack: ~adconrad
[13:45] <infinity> rbasak: Wait, really?
[13:45] <infinity> rbasak: So, if I upload apache2, your branches all go to poop?
[13:46] <rbasak> If you just upload, then the importer will manage, but the git commits won't be incorporated. New commits will be synthesized by the importer instead, but only one for each upload.
[13:46] <rbasak> The unimplmeneted magic is to be able to detect the MP and incorporate automatically, or similar.
[13:46] <infinity> rbasak: Oh, sure.  But that's almost more desirable.   :P
[13:46] <infinity> (Why do people always commit changelogs separately?)
[13:47] <rbasak> In the meantime, we can incorporate manually by pushing an "upload tag" so the importer will find it when it sees the upload. Currently that's restricted to ~usd-import-team.
[13:47] <rbasak> I insist on commiting changelogs separately, since it reduces hell when cherry-picking.
[13:47] <rbasak> IMHO, git makes changelogs inside source trees obsolete. They should be generated from commits when needed instead.
[13:48] <ahasenack> changelog always conflicts
[13:48] <infinity> Kids these days.
[13:48] <ahasenack> :)
[13:48] <infinity> rbasak: Well, if you want to do the thing "properly" (I'm not in the mood to learn a new workflow), go to town, I'm +1 on the debdiff in the PPA.
[13:49] <infinity> Which is supposedly what the branch diff is, but LP's diff is broken beyond recognition.
[13:49] <rbasak> I was just looking at that. I don't understand why it's broken. I'll dig.
[13:49] <ahasenack> rbasak: it's been like this for all apache mps
[13:50] <ahasenack> I vaguely remember nacc saying something about a bug in python[23]?-git or whatever the name of that module is
[13:50] <infinity> That would seem to imply that it's very confused about what the target branch actually is.
[13:50] <ahasenack> the lp diff is correct for the top part
[13:50] <infinity> So it is.
[13:51] <ahasenack> it breaks once it hits that docs directory
[13:51] <infinity> The other 1400 files, though...
[13:56] <cjwatson> debian/changelog is IMO closer to a NEWS file than to a trad ChangeLog file.  I agree that git makes the latter obsolete, but not the former.
[13:57] <rbasak> I think it makes sense to maintain a NEWS file in a git-based source tree, but I'd want it to be done in separate commits (perhaps at release time, to nicely aggregate things together) to avoid the conflict hell.
[13:58] <infinity> Or learn to CP without picking the NEWS bits?
[13:58]  * infinity shrugs.
[13:59] <infinity> I think a news item belongs with the commit it's referring to, so I can trace back that way.
[13:59] <rbasak> I'm quite capable of doing that but that doesn't stop it being painful
[13:59] <infinity> blame the news file, find the commit.
[13:59] <ahasenack> I'll be back in ~30m, need to fetch Ted from the pet store from his bath
[13:59] <rbasak> For our merge workflow, you end up having to resolve the conflict manually for every single Ubuntu upload since the divergence point.
[14:00] <rbasak> I'm sure git could be taught to resolve that itself automatically somehow, but we don't even want those parts cherry-picked anyway.
[14:00] <rbasak> The news file won't necessarily have a 1-1 correlation between commits and entries anyway
[14:01] <rbasak> The MP is identical to the PPA diff except for the changelog version as expected.
[14:02] <infinity> Then +1 from me.
[14:02] <rbasak> ahasenack: so I pushed the upload tag for you. Upload when ready.
[14:02] <infinity> Go forth and merge/upload, pretty please.
[14:24] <stgraber> LocutusOfBorg: I don't even remember doing that :) so may very well not be needed anymore indeed
[14:49] <LocutusOfBorg> stgraber, ack thanks!
[14:52] <ahasenack> back
[14:52] <ahasenack> rbasak: ok, thanks
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/376363514/buildlog_ubuntu-cosmic-amd64.python-taskflow_3.1.0-0ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> do you have any idea? it seems to be related to new python?
[16:02] <nacc> ahasenack: rbasak: yeah, i dug into it and it seems like it's something was in pygit2 or libgit2, but i forget immeidately
[16:06] <ahasenack> nacc: ok
[16:08] <nacc> ahasenack: in theory, we should be able to reproduce the diff that LP shows via turnip (iirc, that's the name of the project)
[16:08] <nacc> ahasenack: by tracing that code to the diff generation (which I believe is pretty straightforward) and then seeing if we can get the same thing in a simple tool
[16:10] <rbasak> nacc: thanks!
[16:10] <rbasak> I'll chase it up at some point.
[16:11] <nacc> rbasak: np, i remember in one case, I couldn't get pygit2 to get me quite the same thing, and that's about all I remember right now
[16:11] <cjwatson> Start from turnip.api.views.DiffMergeAPI
[16:12] <cjwatson> And if you want to reproduce exact versions and such, use a trusty container with ppa:launchpad/ubuntu/ppa
[16:59] <rbasak> Thanks! I filed bug 1779178 so as to keep that info around for later.
[17:34] <bdmurray> manjo: Could you respond re the verification of bug 1716517 so we can get it released?
[17:44] <manjo> bdmurray, done
[17:56] <bdmurray> manjo: but it says "Installed: (none)" in the apt policy output
[17:57] <manjo> right .. I skipped a step where I did the apt install openipmi
[17:57] <manjo> so in between the status and apt policy there was an apt install which I did not cut and past .. I assume . .that would be obvious
[17:58] <manjo> s/assume/assumed
[17:58] <bdmurray> well its inconsistent in that comment #20 you showed the version installed (which is really the best practice)
[17:58] <manjo> bdmurray, I can repeat the test if you need
[17:59] <bdmurray> manjo: nah, its fine. just going forward please run 'apt policy' with the package installed
[17:59] <manjo> bdmurray, ack .. won't screw up
[18:00] <manjo> bdmurray, thanks for reaching out to me
[18:05] <ahasenack> bdmurray: is this your sru day? Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1766186 next or close to next perhaps? :)
[18:07] <bdmurray> ahasenack: It is, have these autopkgtest regressions been investigated?
[18:07] <ahasenack> "these"? hm
[18:07] <ahasenack> no, I wasn't aware of them, my fault
[18:08] <bdmurray> no problem we could do better about messaging the failures
[18:08] <ahasenack> I keep assuming that if the upload made it, the tests passed
[19:32] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: the taskflow upload seems to be causing issues
[19:33] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wvS4kqmckj/
[19:43] <coreycb> not sure why that fails though. OrderedDiGraph inherits from DiGraph which defines nodes_iter.
[19:46] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, where did you take it? the fixed one is waiting for python breakage to reduce a bit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-taskflow/3.1.0-0ubuntu5/+build/15064887
[19:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I suspect this is because of new networkx
[19:48] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: i have a nova build that picked it up from cosmic-proposed
[19:48] <coreycb> or maybe not, checking. i probably need the new one is what the issue is.
[19:50] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: ok yeah i'm using 3.1.0-0ubuntu4. i'll wait on 3.1.0-0ubuntu5. sorry and thanks :)
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, nice to know :) I don't even know if it will build or not BTW
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> I hope and I have fingers crossed!
[20:39] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: ok, then i'll cross my fingers too :)
[22:03] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, 4 pkg-openstack packages required patches to work with python3.7, "async" keyword being now reserved
[22:03] <LocutusOfBorg> I suspect lots of breakage in the archive :/
[22:11] <LocutusOfBorg> hello jamespage, please merge kazoo from Debian?
[22:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't know if new deps requires mir or not...
[22:12] <LocutusOfBorg> neither if python now has automagic autopkgtest
[23:40] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: I'll have a look once I'm finished with all these no-change uploads


[04:22] <mup> Bug #1582070 opened: Pick up wrong grub.cfg if another filesystem exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1582070>
[11:33] <Nikos4333> hello!
[11:34] <Nikos4333> I have downloaded images to install to my nodes but maas sends me "could not find kernel image"
[11:34] <Nikos4333> do you know whats happening
[11:34] <Nikos4333> ?
[11:53] <Nikos4333> plz ? :D47
[12:10] <Nikos4333> fantastic maas gurus? :D
[13:45] <mup> Bug #1569483 changed: [2.0] Can't deploy CentOS  <MAAS:Fix Released by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569483>
[14:15] <mup> Bug #1582243 opened: [2.0b5] Rack controller FAILED authentication from '<IP_ADDRESS>:59270'; dropping connection. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1582243>
[16:04] <mup> Bug #1582293 opened: Allow secure wipe of New systems before Commissioning [fails] <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1582293>
[16:56] <terje> hi, I have some compute nodes I'd like to install, that contain a pre-existing OS.
[16:56] <terje> They have a /ec2/ directory with some cloud-init stuff in there and so maas isn't imaging them properly.
[16:57] <terje> Is there a way to tell MAAS to wipe the disks before trying to commissioning them?
[17:07] <shewless> hello. I installed maas on ubuntu 16.04 and I cannot find the "DHCP configuration" part in the web interface. I think I have to add a subnet but I'm not sure
[17:07] <mup> Bug #1582323 opened: Commissioning fails when competing cloud metadata resides on disk <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1582323>
[17:08] <shewless> I know which interface I want to be the dhcp/pxe server. But I'm unsure exactly how to configure that.  Do I just add a subnet and "provide DHCP"? Do I have to assign an IP from the DHCP range on my MAAS server?
[17:09] <shewless> The getting started page is kind of useless http://maas.io/get-started I think because I'm using 16.04... but
[17:09] <shewless> The turn on DHCP and DNS part is totally different
[17:10] <terje> shewless: networks -> click untagged for the network
[17:10] <terje> then, take action
[17:12] <kiko> shewless, what terje said
[17:12] <kiko> shewless, it will get better with the new install experience we're working on
[17:12] <shewless> terje: thanks. I did that. It told me there is no subnet. So I created a subnet
[17:13] <shewless> terje: but do I have to manually assign an IP address to my maas interface?
[17:13] <shewless> or does maas take care of that
[17:14] <shewless> (I have a management network already setup so I can get to the UI, but I want to use a different interface for dhcp)
[17:17] <shewless> kiko: I think I have to assign an IP address to the interface I intend to use as the dchp provider. Is there a way to do that through maas?
[17:17] <terje> manually assign it
[17:18] <terje> no, there isn't. Edit /etc/network/interfaces
[17:18] <kiko> shewless, no, it's a common question
[17:19] <shewless> thanks guys. I can do that. Should the "gateway" be the maas server itself (I'm setting up a private network just for maas to provision)
[17:20] <terje> shewless: that's how I do it.
[17:21] <terje> you then have to configure nat/masquerading in iptables
[17:21] <terje> so you're computes can get out to the world and download stuff they need.
[17:21] <terje> on the gateway/maas system.
[17:22] <shewless> yikes.. how do I do that?
[17:25] <terje> something like this: http://pastebin.com/raw/fvVjJPg9
[17:27] <shewless> eth0 would be my "management" port with internet access?
[17:30] <terje> yes, the interface with an IP that can 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' for example.
[17:33] <shewless> terje: Sould the "dhcpd" service be running in the "services" section of my maas controller?
[17:33] <shewless> my machines don't appear to be getting dhcp offers from my maas server
[17:33] <terje> on the maas server, do: ps aux|grep dhcp
[17:34] <shewless> hmm.. doesn't appear to be running
[17:34] <terje> can you show me (on pastebin):
[17:34] <terje> ip a s
[17:34] <terje> and
[17:35] <terje> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[17:36] <shewless> http://pastebin.com/26zy0TWC
[17:36] <terje> you don't have an IP on enp2s0 for your private network
[17:37] <jhobbs> 48
[17:37] <jhobbs> oops
[17:37] <terje> actually..
[17:38] <terje> you're using 169.254
[17:38] <terje> this is a special network - don't use it.
[17:38] <terje> change that to 172.20.0/24 for example.
[17:39] <shewless> ah crap.. how embarassing
[17:45] <shewless> terje: that actually makes more sense. as soon as a added the IP to the interface maas automatically picked up the subnet
[17:48] <shewless> terje: okay dhcpd is now running .. that's good. for some reason my device still didn't pxe boot though
[18:15] <shewless> terje: I can see that dhcpd is running, but when I boot my node via PXE is does not receive an offer. I tried booting my node from hard disk and then manually configuring the pxe NIC to ensure they can talk.. and they can
[18:15] <shewless> any ideas?
[18:21] <shewless> I see this in the logs:
[18:21] <shewless> DHCPDISCOVER from 00:25:90:52:3c:cd via enp2s0: network vlan-5002: no free leases
[18:23] <shewless> I tried to reconfigure the dhcp in the "take action" menu. we'll see if that helps
[18:28] <terje> you can't pxeboot on a VLAN'd interface.
[18:29] <terje> needs to be a flat network
[18:32] <shewless> terje: I'm not sure why it has a vlan there. After re-configuring DHCP on the interface it seems to allow the systems to PXE boot
[18:32] <shewless> I can see they are all running 16.04 LTS now.. but they are not showing up in maas for some reason
[18:32] <shewless> Would I see them in the "Nodes" tab?
[18:32] <terje> yes
[18:33] <terje> so, login on console to one of them and manually pxeboot it
[18:33] <terje> then, watch it go
[18:33] <shewless> I did
[18:33] <shewless> it looks like it puts ubuntu on it
[18:33] <terje> that's not how it works.
[18:34] <shewless> so I shouldn't be staring at a login prompt?
[18:34] <terje> no
[18:34] <terje> that's likely from a previous install
[18:34] <shewless> I can see it PXE boots
[18:34] <shewless> I'll watch the console more closely
[18:34] <terje> it will pxeboot an image, then publish information to maas about the hardware.
[18:35] <terje> maas will mark the hardware as 'new'
[18:35] <terje> can you login to one of the 16.04 systems?
[18:35] <terje> I'm curious about something
[18:35] <shewless> I see booting under MAAS dircation..
[18:36] <shewless> loading ubunttu/amd64/generic/xenial/release/boot-kernel
[18:36] <terje> yep, that's all correct
[18:36] <shewless> and then it proceeds to boot
[18:36] <terje> can you login to the OS once it boots?
[18:36] <shewless> uh.. not sure what the login would be
[18:37] <terje> under nodes, you don't see anything, correct?
[18:37] <shewless> oddly it's presenting itself as "node-1" should it have that hostname?
[18:37] <shewless> correct.. .nodes is empty
[18:37] <terje> ok, so maas didn't install that OS
[18:38] <shewless> but I can see the whole "MAAS direction"
[18:38] <terje> what's happening is
[18:38] <shewless> and I know these guys weren't running 16.04before
[18:38] <terje> maas pxeboot's the thing
[18:38] <terje> loads a ramdisk
[18:39] <terje> decides for some reason that it's not going to use it and it reboots from disk.
[18:39] <terje> you're maas didn't put an OS on there..
[18:39] <terje> trust me. :)
[18:39] <shewless> I trust you :)
[18:39] <terje> ok, so you need to login to one of those computes.
[18:40] <shewless> I don't know what the login is
[18:41] <terje> ok, so boot one of those computes from the ubuntu 16.04 install ISO and go into rescue mode.
[18:42] <shewless> okay. I can do that. What will I be looking for?
[18:42] <terje> you want to boot into a shell
[18:42] <terje> once you have a shell, run: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1000
[18:43] <terje> then, pxeboot that compute again
[18:43] <terje> this obviously nukes your disk so just tripple check this is the compute you think it is. :)
[18:44] <shewless> I see. I used a different "imager" mirantis fuel.. so maybe it left these nodes in a weird state
[18:45] <terje> I think I know the issue
[18:45] <terje> and that is, maas uses cloud-init when it profiles the system.
[18:45] <terje> if the previous installer left some cloud-init stuff on sda, maas will refuse to use it.
[18:47] <shewless> I see. it's weird because I knew what the root password was but maas seemed to have changed it.. is that possible?
[18:47] <terje> by wiping sda, you'll resolve the issue.
[18:47] <terje> no
[18:48] <terje> maas isn't doing anything to those systems.
[18:49] <shewless> okay. let me try and wipe the disks
[19:03] <terje> if booting from ISO, use "rescue a broken system" to get a shell
[19:11] <shewless> terje: thanks.. . my first system is now showing in "nodes" so I guess that did the trick
[19:11] <terje> one last question for you..
[19:13] <shewless> sure
[19:13] <terje> who's the man?
[19:13] <terje> :P
[19:15] <shewless> terje is the man :P
[19:16] <terje> I'm setting up my own 16.04 OS cluster right now as well.
[19:16] <terje> so, maybe we can help each other
[19:16] <shewless> I'll do what I can to help
[19:18] <shewless> it would be supper if MAAS could give the option to auto clear the cloud-init space
[19:18] <terje> or just wipe the disks prior to doing an inventory
[19:18] <shewless> yeah
[19:19] <terje> perhaps it can
[19:19] <terje> and I just don't know about it
[19:32] <shewless> terje: So My IPMI is on my "management" network.. my maas controller is on the same network but for some reason cannot ping the IPMI guys
[20:12] <terje> you're not able to ping your IPMI interfaces from the maas controller?
[20:14] <terje> that doesn't sound right to me.
[20:14] <terje> are you planning to install openstack on your cluster?
[20:14] <shewless> terje: I can now. I guess the default state for un-commissioned nodes is to turn them off
[20:15] <terje> yea, it is.
[20:15] <shewless> that kept screwing with me
[20:15] <terje> ah
[20:15] <terje> so, again, is this going to be an openstack deployment?
[20:15] <shewless> I am planning on installing openstack, yes
[20:15] <terje> have a look at this: http://conjure-up.io/
[20:17] <shewless> hmm. so maas, juju, and now conjure-up?
[20:17] <terje> conjure-up is for 16.04 only
[20:17] <terje> if you're using 14.04 then I think it's autostart
[20:17] <kiko> and pretty awesome
[20:17] <shewless> "autopilot"?
[20:19] <shewless> I guess I need to figure out how to get juju installed then first
[20:19] <terje> no, I don't think you do
[20:19] <terje> sudo apt-get install conjure-up
[20:19] <terje> sudo conjure-up openstack
[20:22] <shewless> so what is the intention of this conjure-up?
[20:23] <shewless> and should I conjure "OpenStack" or "OpenStack Autopilot"
[20:24] <terje> done for now.. good luck
[20:24] <shewless> okay thanks terje
[20:36] <bdx> network-interface-peeps: https://github.com/juju/juju/issues/5409
[21:41] <mup> Bug #1582418 opened: # of cpu cores and amount of ram incorrectly reported <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1582418>
[22:30] <pacavaca> Hey guys! Is it possible to deploy an image created by clonezilla with maas? Or, what's the other good way to get customized (some configs + packages) ubuntu/centos version deployed by maas?


[16:04] <ballmer> I am tired of dealing with the idiocy of #ubuntu.  You have put some morons as ops in there, namely k1l_.  I will begin uninstalling ubuntu on my servers on Monday
[16:05] <ballmer> I will obviously be cancelling my contract with canonical
[16:05] <ballmer> have a nice day


[05:44] <EvilResistance> can someone help me reverse an upload to a PPA?  i accidentially put in the wrong PPA address for dput when uploading a version of ZNC (which i modified) to the PPA, instead of sending it to the *correct* ppa, and i need to reverse it back to the last-uploaded version
[05:46] <EvilResistance> i cancelled the builds for that upload, but i still need to reverse said upload
[06:28] <wgrant> EvilResistance: Delete the package, then copy the old one (you'll need to change the Published selector to Superseded on +copy-packages)
[06:29] <EvilResistance> define "copy the old one"
[06:29] <EvilResistance> won't a delete on the uploaded version remove the older version?
[06:29] <EvilResistance> as well*
[06:30] <EvilResistance> oh there it is
[06:30] <EvilResistance> i see
[06:31] <EvilResistance> actually
[06:31] <EvilResistance> that didnt work :/
[06:32] <EvilResistance> whatever, the version of the package i have for natty and the version i have for oneiric are basically the same
[06:32] <EvilResistance> *copies the natty version back*
[06:47] <wgrant> Why didn't it work?
[06:48] <EvilResistance> it wouldnt let me copy it in
[06:48] <wgrant> Why not>
[06:49] <EvilResistance> said the source already existed in the PPA
[06:49] <wgrant> Did you tell it to copy binaries too?>
[06:49] <EvilResistance> nope.
[06:49] <EvilResistance> in any case
[06:49] <EvilResistance> what i did now
[06:49] <wgrant> You have to.
[06:49] <EvilResistance> is i got it fixed by copying in the binaries from the repository i copied the binaries to after buildinbg
[06:49] <wgrant> You can't build the same binaries twice in one PPA -- it would create conflicting files.
[06:49] <EvilResistance> (one PPA for staging, one for deploying)
[06:50] <EvilResistance> in any case, its working now...
[15:09] <ajf_> is there any way to run autogen/autotools in a launchpad ppa recipe? I have everything including the debian/ packaging info in the repository, is the only way to get it to build to merge it with a seperate -build repo I need to sync every time I change the configure.ac? I was hoping to maintain just one repository.
[15:09] <ajf_> it works locally, but launchpad doesn't let me use the 'run' command in the bzr-builder recipe
[15:14] <tumbleweed> ajf_: why not autogen at build time?
[15:14]  * tumbleweed waves dh_autoreconf at ajf_
[15:19] <ajf_> Ah excellent, thank you.
[16:21] <const> ajf_: in your official packages please don't do that
[16:21] <const> ajf_: its better to include the configure script in your official releases


[00:57] <katyl_> Crashsystems, did you ever get your VPN issue sorted out?
[02:01] <crashsystems1> katyl_: i did indeed
[02:02] <crashsystems1> Turns out i just had to restart the vpn service via their web interface
[02:04] <katyl> Cool, crashsystems, what was it?
[02:04] <katyl> Them or you?
[04:57] <kansas> hi
[04:58] <Guest93572> yes
[04:59] <Guest93572> holll


[00:51] <keithzg> Well, still curious, but I found the fifth area where netboot settings lay in the motherboard firmware and seem to have convinced it to indeed use UEFI; failure apparently was due to attempting Legacy booting only over the network boot.
[01:17] <smoser> nacc, iscsi is fun!
[01:17] <smoser> interestingly, though, we do not see these issues in vmtest
[01:17] <smoser> and we do push through non-root iscsi
[01:17] <smoser> and in maas every day usage (in maas images) we push through iscsi root
[01:18] <smoser> but both of those cases have cloud-init in them which could be pushing a different shutdown order.
[01:35] <smoser> powersj, if your'e still arond
[01:35] <smoser> i think that centos6 migith be as easy as
[01:35] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/324585
[01:40] <smoser> fudge
[12:30] <teward> who's got Samba on their desk, from the Security team perspective?
[12:30] <teward> Server Team*
[12:30] <teward> if anyone
[12:35] <rbasak> ahasenack has been looking at it recently I think? ^
[12:35] <ahasenack> indeed
[12:35] <ahasenack> what's up?
[12:36] <rbasak> samba is a weird package though. Many samba issues are from a desktop, not server perspective. It sort of sits between multiple teams.
[12:36] <teward> ahasenack: just wanted to make sure CVE-2017-7494 was on the radar, and that a fix was included.
[12:37] <teward> rbasak: true, but in *this* case I'm fairly certain the RCE affects server-side Samba so...
[12:37] <ahasenack> teward: https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3296-1/
[12:37] <teward> ahasenack: not listed for Artful
[12:37] <teward> the question is Artful because https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-7494.html showed on my radar on Ask Ubuntu
[12:37] <ahasenack> teward: correct
[12:38] <teward> just tryin to see if 17.10 is still vulnerable so I can edit the answer on Ask Ubuntu accordingly heh
[12:38] <ahasenack> usns are not issued for in-development ubuntu releases,
[12:38] <rbasak> Looks like it's stuck in proposed
[12:38] <ahasenack> artful has 4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> still
[12:38] <ahasenack> rbasak: I've noticed this lagging with other packages too
[12:39] <rbasak> There's a dep8 failure holding it in proposed
[12:39] <rbasak> Could be an unstable test. I'll give it another retry.
[12:40] <ahasenack> rbasak: mysql-server-5.7 is also stuck in artful's proposed
[12:41] <ahasenack> all other released distros have .18, artful has .17
[12:41] <rbasak> Yeah due to a diaspora-installer problem. Someone on the release team might be willing to allow that one through, but I can't do it :-/
[12:41]  * rbasak asked in #ubuntu-devel earlier
[12:42] <ahasenack> it's been like that since may 15th at least, when I first asked :)
[12:42]  * rbasak asks again
[12:42] <ahasenack> teward: what was the askubuntu question?
[12:45] <rbasak> dep8 passed this time. Hopefully it'll migrate on the next publisher run.
[13:09] <ahasenack> nice
[13:11] <ahasenack> geez, another samba failed-to-install-upgrade apport bug
[13:12] <ahasenack> it's always the same, restart failed for some reason
[13:12] <ahasenack> but systemd doesn't provide any logs by default
[13:13] <ahasenack> is there a way to have apport include /var/log/samba/log* in these reports? I see it includes other samba bits
[13:14] <fallentree> ahasenack: makes you wanna cry, amirite?   /zing
[13:15] <ahasenack> heh
[13:31] <teward> ahasenack: https://askubuntu.com/questions/918776/re-latest-bug-when-will-ubuntu-be-updating-samba-v4-3-11
[13:31] <teward> sorry my commute to work took so long :P
[13:33] <ahasenack> :)
[13:36] <rbasak> FWIW, samba has migrated to the artful release pocket now.
[14:12] <paxatron4034> anyone here have experience with corosync?
[14:28] <Ussat> you know untill the update there is a REAL simple fix
[14:29] <Ussat> just add nt pipe support = no to smb.conf
[14:29] <Ussat> restart samba, done
[14:37] <daveomcd> I'm fairly new to managing an ubuntu server.  I use my to host a rails app.  I've not installed security & non-security updates in some time.  I was going to go about doing that, but wasn't sure if there are some best practices or things I should consider before just running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" after taking a snapshot of the server in case something goes wrong with the updates?
[15:21] <jushur> daveomcd: make a backup before?
[16:43] <tomreyn> daveomcd: as long as you don't make use of third party apt sources / packages or non-packaged software, only installing patches (which is what the commands you typed above would do), update issues are *really* rare.
[18:47] <jonfatino> Does anyone have an updated guide to load ubuntu 16.04 from pxe without using nfs. The issue here is squashfs and how to load it. I am ok with putting it inside initrd but need some help.
[18:47] <jonfatino> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2074035


[00:24] <tsimonq2> slangasek: does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages apply to source packages only?
[02:25] <slangasek> tsimonq2: generally yes
[02:26] <slangasek> tsimonq2: though I don't think that actually documents current practice, which is actually more along the lines of "if it's a completely new package that doesn't touch anything, we require no paperwork, you just have to get an AA to review it"
[02:43] <jbicha> slangasek: oh, so I can just sync bug 1614894 after a test build?
[03:09] <tsimonq2> slangasek: let's say foo is a big package. I want to split foo into foo and foo-bar to separate it and add a few more things to foo-bar (for some complicated reasons)
[03:11] <tsimonq2> slangasek: it fixes foo when installed under certain conditions, but since it adds new files as well, it might be considered a feature
[03:12] <tsimonq2> slangasek: (I'm talking about lubuntu-default-settings being split into lubuntu-qt-default-settings and updating the seed to fix the Lubuntu next image)
[03:15] <tsimonq2> slangasek: do I need to file an FFE when Julien merges my MP into the lubuntu-default-settings repo?
[03:20] <slangasek> jbicha: cassbeam> yes
[03:20] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I would call that ba bugfix and not press you for an FFe
[03:29] <tsimonq2> ok thanks slangasek
[06:28] <flocculant> pitti: that'll be a no from here re networking :(
[06:30] <flocculant> also daily gets to the try/install dialogue and then no further to get to desktop without using startx
[06:31] <flocculant> s/the try option of the dialogue
[06:34] <jbicha> flocculant: wait a few hours and try a rebuild: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/2.429
[06:34] <flocculant> jbicha: ack - ty :)
[06:34] <jbicha> for networking, I don't know about the other issue
[06:35] <flocculant> well at least if I get networking I can try and report it with apport :D
[06:35] <flocculant> not really sure what to report against mind you - tracker suggests syslinux
[06:36] <jbicha> yeah I had to use a USB stick to get the data out of VirtualBox for bug 1614848
[06:37] <jbicha> I guess I was one of the first to be affected by the no-networking bug but since ubiquity was badly broken I didn't realize it wasn't ubiqutiy's fault
[06:37] <flocculant> ha ha
[06:38] <flocculant> jbicha: I'm just glad xubuntu is only doing final beta or I'd be :( at the moment
[10:14] <sakrecoer> flocculant: i ma in here :)
[10:14] <sakrecoer> where do you announce these discussions as the one held yesterday?
[10:30] <flocculant> sakrecoer: if you mean what I said in the mail - it wasn't - I just read it in channel
[10:33] <sakrecoer> flocculant: yes, and like i wrote on the list, i'm not sure i will have that time unfortunately
[10:33] <sakrecoer> and ross said he hasn't
[10:35] <flocculant> yea I gathered - not actually anything to do with me, I just thought I'd ask on the list as no-one else had yet :)
[10:37] <sakrecoer> ok :) thanks.. i will probably be able to, but since i can't garantee it, i feel ackward to commit to it...
[10:38] <sakrecoer> monday i'm supposed to get confirmation for a job that would start on tuesday..
[10:38] <sakrecoer> flocculant ^
[10:42] <flocculant> nice :)
[13:36] <sergiusens> slangasek or pitti just in case you monitor during the weekend, I don't quite follow the queue status; snapcraft here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html says "Tests in progress" but it doesn't seem to be true
[16:08] <roasted> hi friends. I see NM 1.2.2 is listed in the upload queue. Is there any idea when that may land?
[16:24] <jbicha> Mirv: the only thing left for the evolution 3.22 transition is qtorganizer5-eds's inability to build on s390x (becasue of url-dispatcher)
[16:42] <jbicha> Laney: hi, evo transition is done but for ^
[16:43] <Laney> jbicha: nice one, try to get someone to remove the old binaries I guess
[16:43] <jbicha> oh I see you're not in ~ubuntu-archive yet
[16:45]  * Laney weeps in the corner
[17:31] <apw> sergiusens, your tests appear to have run and imploded: "badpkg: rules extract failed with exit code 1
[17:32] <Mirv> jbicha: right, I guess we'll reach someone latest on Monday morning (as pit_ti is back)
[17:35] <jbicha> Mirv: do you know exactly what packages need to be removed? because there are AAs that do some things on weekends
[17:40] <Mirv> jbicha: it's always complicated. the basic problem is upstart not available on s390x, and the problems spread from there on out. the easy answer is just the qtorganizer5-eds's binaries need to be removed, so that it's not stuck on proposed on the principle "it used to have s390x binaries": https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-055/+build/10498649
[17:41] <Mirv> jbicha: the problem is sometimes the problems can back, since obviously it'd be best if one could continue building the binaries, upstart would build etc instead of this hunting
[17:41] <Mirv> but the immediate problem should be fixed by removing the organizer's s390x binaries
[17:46] <jbicha> or alternatively, just kick upstart out! ;) (which I think is happening too)
[19:18] <slangasek> sergiusens: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapcraft/xenial/amd64/ actually shows the test failed, but because it was captured with the wrong version, it wasn't recorded :/  running manually now
[19:19] <slangasek> jbicha: kicking upstart out of the archive doesn't help those pieces of the phone stack that depend on it
[19:23] <Ukikie> People care about the phone? :o
[19:29] <sergiusens> slangasek thanks, the log there doesn't make sense to me, we have no packaging changes for it to fail at that level<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:01] <slangasek> sergiusens: the re-run succeeded, so the earlier failure is ignorable
[21:48] <roasted> When is the next sru landing? Crossing fingers for a nm bump...


[00:01] <chrisccoulson> good job you don't use epiphany, you need nspluginwrapper to use flash on *all* architectures ;)
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> (even i386)
[00:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: huh?
[00:32] <Omega> I think he means that epiphany uses nspluginwrapper even if you're on i386.
[00:33]  * micahg knew about konqueror, but didn't think epiphany did that
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yes, epiphany does that now because it uses gtk3
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> and you can't run gtk2 / gtk3 in the same process
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> so, flash player is blacklisted in epiphany
[01:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, ok
[06:28] <j1mc> fta -just wanted to say 'thanks' for all of the mozilla and chromium work.  :)
[07:15] <fta2> micahg, sorry but i plan to shut the bot down.
[07:16] <micahg> fta2: can you please keep it going until the end of the month?  we'll see if we can find somewhere else to house it
[07:17] <fta2> micahg, you already asked me that 2 cycles ago, and nothing changed since
[07:17] <micahg> fta2: that was chrisccoulson's task that never materialized
[07:18] <micahg> I wanted to run it on my server, then we thought we might be able to get it in the canonical DC somewhere
[07:18] <Omega> what bot? what does it do?
[07:18] <chrisccoulson> yes, we can do it from the datacenter. do you want me to do that?
[07:18] <chrisccoulson> just let me know what I need to do ;)
[07:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm seriously tired today, I wish my daughter did not wake at 5.30
[07:19] <fta2> well, i don't plan on maintaining the code either
[07:20] <fta2> i wrote that in 2007, no one ever helped, now i'm done with it
[07:20] <micahg> Omega: https://launchpad.net/drobotik
[07:21] <micahg> fta2: I wasn't aware that it needed a lot of maintenance
[07:21] <Omega> that does seem like it would be helpful
[07:24] <fta2> it doesn't, expect for respins/branch renames/new dists
[07:24] <fta2> Omega, it helped spread millions of builds
[07:25] <fta2> but it competes with the launchpad recipes so no one ever cared to help me
[07:25] <chrisccoulson> well, i'd still rather use your bot ;)
[07:25] <chrisccoulson> it's been pretty reliable, there's no compelling reason to change that tbh
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> launchpad doesn't offer any additional benefit
[07:27] <micahg> fta2: BTW, I think we're going to start pushing chromium arm separately, so we have faster turnaround
[07:28] <fta2> micahg, too late for me, i'm also done with those
[07:28] <fta2> i've been complaining about that for years
[07:29] <fta2> that's the main reason why i'm retiring of ubuntu
[07:29] <micahg> fta2: well, I just started handling it 2 months ago and I saw this was a way I can help
[17:30] <micahg> fta: re default browser setting for chromium, it's still broke in natty
[17:34] <fta> wfm
[17:35] <micahg> well, on a clean install it doesn't, I cannot click set as default and make it go away
[17:35]  * micahg will hunt for/update a bug later
[17:40] <fta> feel free to fix it, i won't, i'm backing off
[17:42] <micahg> I'll track it and report upstream


[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <Silverlion> good morning every1
[08:31] <philipballew> Silverlion, whats crackin?
[08:32] <Silverlion> philipballew: not much. got up two hrs earlier this morning, decided to do some code-work but motivation faded... had a hard time last two days
[08:33] <philipballew> why so hard Silverlion ?
[08:34] <Silverlion> philipballew: ever felt betrayed from a person you thought you can trust?
[08:34] <philipballew> Silverlion, totally have
[08:34] <philipballew> I live on earth
[08:35] <Silverlion> philipballew: i can tell you the whole story in a query. that's nothing that belongs into the open
[08:35] <philipballew> ah, feel free to pm me with whats up
[08:41] <Silverlion> philipballew: u gotta pm
[08:41]  * philipballew sees now
[21:01] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: sorry about that, was asleep (exams started)
[21:01] <pleia2> hm?
[21:12] <JoseeAntonioR> not answering for the fridge post
[21:13] <pleia2> oh, no need to apologize :) that's why we have a team!
[21:13] <pleia2> a post gets tossed out there, whoever is around can take it, we all have jobs and tests and things
[21:14] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[21:14] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm getting the classroom post ready in a couple hours, and email sent to cezzaine
[21:14] <pleia2> sweet!


[00:14] <daftykins> 'zarpes' is our favourite spammer, back for more
[00:17] <rww> daftykins: the abusive one or the porn one?
[00:18] <daftykins> the .es links
[00:18] <daftykins> "show gratis" and all that
[00:18] <daftykins> i've never looked to find out :)
[00:19] <rww> okies, thanks :)
[00:19] <daftykins> np, reported in #freenode too but seems things don't move quick over there
 k2, i mean like opt get etc
[00:58] <bazhang> K2!
[00:58] <bazhang> better than K9
[08:40] <Flannel> Can you say hair trigger?
[08:40] <Tm_T> Flannel: hair. trigger.
[08:40] <Flannel> Tm_T: Gold star!
[08:40] <Tm_T> \o/
[21:26] <genii> @comment 66178 Soliciting money "i need $1000 for her operations", etc
[21:27] <k1l_> was just before muted from the bot for sexcam spam
[21:32] <genii> Hm
[21:32] <k1l_> aka hotLady
[21:36] <genii> k1l_: I was afk at the time, but see it now in backscroll
[21:37] <k1l_> yeah, i didnt see that, too because i didnt read the channel. just saw it in the bantracker


[07:02] <Spass> ochosi, should I remove Plank from Affects list from bug 1795135 ? I've just read your last comment there
[12:38] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: gigolo 0.4.90 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-gigolo-0-4-90-released-tp52073.html (by Landry Breuil-2)
[18:13] <ochosi> Spass: depends on whether you or others want to track the status of all panel-like apps that are affected
[18:14] <ochosi> i just felt it suggests something in those apps needs fixing while its actually xorg that is at fault (at least thats how i see it)
[18:15] <Spass> yeah, I just deleted it to not pollute that bug report
[18:17] <Spass> it probably isn't a good place to add all those affected apps, agree


[07:03] <happyaron> 开会吗
[08:48] <ypwong> happyaron, 有開啊
[09:18] <zhangchao> handsome_feng,
[09:19] <zhangchao> hi
[09:27] <happyaron> ypwong: 额。。。


[04:05] <jam> bobeo: are they at the same IP address that they were before? you can look at ~/.local/share/juju/controllers.yaml and see if the IP address matches the controller macihne.
[04:06] <jam> bobeo: the other option is something like "ufw" that was manually stopped on a machine that is now blocking remote access, or something like that.
[09:50] <gunix> stokachu: are online now? :D
[16:26] <stokachu> gunix: yep, whats up
[16:28] <stokachu> hbogert_: /win 3
[16:28] <stokachu> hbogert_: sorry, i meant to ask why are you disappointed?
[16:29] <stokachu> hbogert_: also logging into IRC as root isn't usually a good idea
[23:04] <jose-phillips> hi
[23:04] <jose-phillips> any way to check issues on juju charm
[23:04] <jose-phillips> juju deploy /pathofcharm package
[23:04] <jose-phillips> keeps on waiting
[23:04] <jose-phillips> status
[23:13] <kwmonroe> jose-phillips: can you tell what it's waiting for?
[23:14] <jose-phillips> when i do juju status
[23:14] <jose-phillips> i see on application
[23:14] <jose-phillips> keeps on waiting
[23:14] <kwmonroe> jose-phillips: what are you deploying?
[23:14] <jose-phillips> a custom charm
[23:14] <jose-phillips> that i do based on solidfire charm
[23:15] <kwmonroe> jose-phillips: try "juju status --format yaml <name-of-charm>"
[23:15] <kwmonroe> sometimes the yaml output will give more output about why the charm is waiting
[23:15] <jose-phillips>       message: waiting for machine
[23:15] <jose-phillips> better :")
[23:15] <jose-phillips> ls
[23:16] <kwmonroe> jose-phillips: where are you deploying? aws/local/etc?
[23:16] <jose-phillips> local
[23:16] <jose-phillips> should be deployed on cinder container
[23:18] <kwmonroe> jose-phillips: waiting for machine typically means juju can't find a place to deploy given a set of constraints.  is this local with lxd or maas?
[23:19] <jose-phillips> local with lxd
[23:24] <kwmonroe> jose-phillips: the important bit to figure out is why juju can't find a machine to deploy to... maybe the charm has a constraint that can't be fulfilled by your controller (mem=X, etc)
[23:26] <jose-phillips> ok question
[23:26] <kwmonroe> unfortunately, i need to get outta here like 2 minutes ago -- pastebin a 'juju debug-log --replay' and i can try to help diagnose later
[23:26] <jose-phillips> if on metadatada
[23:26] <jose-phillips> have few tags
[23:26] <jose-phillips> is will going to use these tags rights?
[23:37] <jose-phillips> done
[23:37] <jose-phillips> was a missing relation
[23:37] <jose-phillips> thanks anyways


[00:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hallo. Anybody home?
[00:36] <knome> sure.
[00:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello..I have a problem with my printer (HP PSC 1315) in Xubuntu.
[00:37] <knome> !ask | Sachse_Siechtum
[00:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> and I'm not sure if it is hardware or software related
[00:39] <knome> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1310
[00:39] <knome> and http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1315
[00:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> I tried to print a test page in Xubuntu...the printer took in half of the paper, made some noise and stopped. now I have a blinking "printer cartridge" light and a "E" where normally the number is showing...
[00:40] <knome> maybe the paper is stuck?
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> no.
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> once today
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> when I was in Windows XP
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> I switched the printer on. (had no drivers installed)
[00:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> in that moment, the printer was printing the test page
[00:41] <knome> i take you have installed the hpijs driver?
[00:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> after that I tried to print the test page again in Xubuntu (the install of the hplip drivers went fine)
[00:41] <knome> (or the hplip)
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> and CUP
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> CUPS
[00:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> I gonna buy a new B/W cartridge this week... I guess, my current one is too old.
[00:43] <knome> http://localhost:631/ - have you tried managing the printer there?
[00:44] <knome> or ran 'hp-setup' ?
[00:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have the localhost site open, but didnt look into it yet
[00:45] <knome> i have very limited experience of linux printing, but i suppose those would be good starting points, since the printer is supposed to work at least mostly
[00:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> the software finds the printer alright but my main problem is, that I cant reset the printer of that "error state"
[00:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> can't
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> alright thanks for the help. Bye
[03:33] <ouyes> hi  how can i add a shortcut for terminal in xfce?
[05:39] <Neo|Desktop> hey everybody
[05:39] <Neo|Desktop> i have a rather quick question
[05:40] <Neo|Desktop> how do I enable the searching of other mountable drives
[05:40] <Neo|Desktop> from xfce's gui
[05:40] <Neo|Desktop> that crappy gnome feature was actually useful, heh
[05:41] <cody-somerville> Not sure what feature you're referring to.
[05:41] <Neo|Desktop> in regular ubuntu, it shows all mountiable partitions in the file manager
[05:41] <Neo|Desktop> **mountable
[05:42] <Neo|Desktop> i'm not getting that here in xfce
[05:53] <tavasti> Neo|Desktop, on filemanager, File->Preferences and there Advanced tab, enable volume management
[06:54] <Neo|Desktop> tavasti: it would appear that that is enabled
[06:57] <Neo|Desktop> tavasti: and the block devices /dev/sda1(-4) are also there
[06:57] <Neo|Desktop> i just like the easy mounting thing, heh
[07:11] <tavasti> aren't those already mounted?
[07:11] <tavasti> that volume management is for removable devices, I suppose
[07:12] <tavasti> (but I'm not at my best with gui-things, I use command line mostly)
[07:16] <Neo|Desktop> ah thanks for your help tavasti, idk myself, i think i may just have to add those entried into my fstab, hehe
[07:18] <tavasti> I think installer puts there those entries
[07:23] <Neo|Desktop> mm, well thanks for all yoru help :)
[09:08] <ouyes> i am trying to change from gnome to xfce, but it is hard, i am now getting used to gnome now
[09:22] <tavasti> what makes it so hard?
[09:25] <ouyes> for example i run alt+f2 write gconf-edit but there came out an error
[09:25] <Myrtti> ouyes: gconf-edit isn't installed by default, IIRC
[09:26] <ouyes> also i want to add a keyboard shortcut for a terminal(i know right button of the mouse) ,i can not find the way
[09:26] <Sysi> and i'd guess it's ment for configuring gnome
[09:26] <Sysi> settings → keyboard
[09:26] <ouyes> Myrtti,  what is IIRC and idk for short?
[09:26] <Sysi> if i remember correctly and i don't know
[09:27] <ouyes> yes you are right , i am a man trying to change from gnome to xfce
[09:28] <ouyes> Sysi, you have a good memory, but what is the command to run a terminal ?
[09:29] <Sysi> xfce4-terminal
[09:32] <ouyes> Myrtti,  so what can i do if i want to and some language support in the document and for office applications?
[09:32] <Myrtti> ouyes: the same you'd do in Ubuntu and Gnome, I suppose, install language additions. Depending on what applications you're using
[09:33] <ouyes> is there any place in the web(wiki) tell people how to make a setting for a newly installed xubuntu
[09:34] <ouyes> what is the most advantage of xfce make you chose it ?
[09:35] <Myrtti> less stuff to uninstall and ignore
[09:36] <tavasti> ouyes, I use xubuntu because I like it better than gnome
[09:38] <ouyes> also, the starting time is shorter
[11:03] <slackaholic> hi mans
[11:03] <slackaholic> my wifi is not finding passwd protected networks, just the opened... how can i solve it?
[11:04] <slackaholic> i'm using ndiswrapper
[11:08] <teilnehmer> slackaholic: It seems to be a bug in ndiswrapper since 9.04.
[11:08] <teilnehmer> See here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/459716
[11:09] <slackaholic> so... without it i cant find any network
[11:09] <teilnehmer> A claimed solution can be found at
[11:09] <teilnehmer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8426311
[11:12] <teilnehmer> I'm sorry but I can't help you further, I know nothing about ndiswrapper, I just found the bug report.
[11:14] <teilnehmer> slackaholic: Possibly there is an alternate way to establish a connection (instead of nndiswrapper)
[11:15] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, which chipset do you have?
[11:26] <slackaholic> wait a minute i will get the name
[11:27] <slackaholic> acording lspci: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> why are you using ndiswrapper? lol that's very unusual
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> that chipset is supported natively
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> actually, just to make sure do lspci -nn and paste the vid:pid here
[11:30] <slackaholic> firstly it was working good...
[11:30] <slackaholic> but after... couldnt find any ntwork
[11:30] <psycho_oreos> with ndiswrapper?
[11:41] <slackaholic> lspci -nn result --> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
[11:42] <slackaholic> ndiswrapper 1.9
[11:53] <z0man>  After getting a friend into Xubuntu (8.04), everything seems to hanky dorary until now... Xubuntu moans about "Low Graphics mode" and the DRI failed to initalize.  Is this because of a recent update?
[11:54] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, which kernel version are you on?
[11:55] <slackaholic> psycho_oreos, 2.6.31-17-generic
[11:55] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, best to use ath5k imo
[11:56] <z0man> eemga(0)(ee)
[11:56]  * z0man googles
[11:57] <z0man> awww
[11:57] <slackaholic> wooooww it's solved...
[11:57] <slackaholic> hahahhahha
[11:57] <psycho_oreos> z0man, no idea, you did distro upgrade?
[11:57] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, ._. whilst on ndiswrapper?
[11:58] <z0man> don't worry about me seriously for now. hehe
[11:58] <slackaholic> thanks guy
[11:58] <z0man> it's something that isn't easy for me to diagnose and help, as the machine is else where
[11:58] <psycho_oreos> z0man, was about to say, I personally never liked distro upgrades
[11:58] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, so how did you solve it lol
[11:58] <z0man> I don't believe he did do a distro upgrade.
[11:58] <slackaholic> rmmod ndis...
[11:58] <slackaholic> modprobe ath5k
[11:59] <slackaholic> xD
[11:59] <z0man> He doesn't like changing anything much.
[11:59] <slackaholic> now i just have to blackllist ndis doesnt it?
[11:59] <z0man> i wonder if he did try it....
[12:00] <z0man> I have done distro upgrades and yes you neeed to know what you doing to fix any issues that pop up
[12:00] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, probably ideal, btw if you're still having issues with ath5k (which can happen) I suggest you check dmesg| tail
[12:01] <slackaholic> psycho_oreos, ok
[12:01] <psycho_oreos> ath5k is constantly getting addressed to and if issues come up you may need to try backports or compat-wireless, etc
[12:01] <slackaholic> psycho_oreos, i would like to use slack based distro... but it was always entering in kernel panic....
[12:01] <slackaholic> psycho_oreos, and i dont like gnome... i prefere kde and xfce
[12:01] <psycho_oreos> z0man, its a pain in the bum generally, I've done dist upgrade once and that taught me enough not to ever bother with it again
[12:02] <psycho_oreos> slackaholic, lol well there's xubuntu as you are here and kubuntu :)
[12:02] <psycho_oreos> and yeah slack isn't easy, its a bit like gentoo except gentoo bit more insane imo
[12:02] <slackaholic> i'm using xfce because it's a netbook
[12:03] <slackaholic> lighter than kde
[12:03] <psycho_oreos> I'm using xfce on my best computer :)
[12:03] <psycho_oreos> there's also lxde and enlightment you may want to try
[12:03] <slackaholic> yeap i tested it once when i installed ubuntu in this netbook
[12:04] <slackaholic> i think that i will just use it in this netbook
[12:04] <slackaholic> a was so worried because i'm just with this netbook...i'm in a conference
[12:04] <z0man> think i may have found the problem
[12:04] <slackaholic> i'm from brazil
[12:04] <psycho_oreos> ah
[12:05] <slackaholic> i'm at campus party
[12:05] <psycho_oreos> so you're doing linux install on the go? lol
[12:05] <slackaholic> xD
[12:05] <slackaholic> i installed xubuntu likea emergenci distro... but i liked it
[12:05] <slackaholic> xD
[12:06] <psycho_oreos> its quite addictive and ubuntu isn't some small distro either :)
[12:07] <psycho_oreos> in other words, theres almost always support when you needed it, so its not like you're going to get stuck :)
[12:07] <z0man> think I will get the guy to do this... https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/33352
[12:08] <psycho_oreos> z0man, would you happen to know which graphics chipset he has?
[12:08] <z0man> very old stuff...
[12:09] <z0man> hmmm me checks docs
[12:09] <z0man> Found that only 8.04 worked with his system see
[12:09] <psycho_oreos> hope its not intel, intel graphics cards can be a real headache when you demand extensive eyecandy ui stuff
[12:09] <Hawkal> Is there anyway to repair or restore xubuntu without having to do a reinstall?
[12:09] <z0man> Yet I haven't been round since 9.10
[12:10] <psycho_oreos> depends on the repairs needed to be done
[12:10] <z0man> Well I been bothered since the release of 9.10
[12:10] <psycho_oreos> z0man, I'm still on 9.04 :) not going to fly on 9.10 with flawed ext4
[12:10] <z0man> im on 9.10 ^^
[12:11] <z0man> I heard about that new one and pondered... aw hell :)
[12:11] <psycho_oreos> it is nice and all, but there's a bug with ext4 in their release notes along with a few other things they've outlined that sort of ticks me.. so I'm going to hold out for lucid
[12:11] <z0man> Yet I'm only using ext3
[12:13] <z0man> SiS super AGP graphics controller (on SiS 620 Host chip) with 4 MB of video memory (upgradeable to 8MB)
[12:13] <z0man> old see :P
[12:14] <z0man> I have a small feeling some update may be to with the blame
[12:14] <psycho_oreos> Hawkal, ahh not that I know no
[12:14] <psycho_oreos> z0man, well there's users flooding in the other support channel... ubuntu channel actually, with that issue, and there was a link I found not long ago about it
[12:15] <z0man> really?!
[12:15] <z0man> hmmm
[12:15] <z0man> would you mind looking for that link?
[12:15] <Hawkal> psycho_oreos, okay thank you anyway.
[12:15]  * z0man feels like he wants to hug psycho_oreos
[12:15] <teilnehmer> Hawkal, depending on what problems you have, you might want to try creating a new user, which will have an empty home directory, thus resetting everything that was changed through settings in there.
[12:16] <teilnehmer> This doesn't include upgrades or similar stuff, though. In that case, reinstalling (but keeping the home directory) would be the way to go, IMO.
[12:16] <Hawkal> teilnehmer, thank you I had not thought of that.
[12:16] <psycho_oreos> Hawkal, couldn't be of much help I'm afraid, because a person is capable of setting anything, and with access to root account via sudo, the amount is endless
[12:17] <psycho_oreos> z0man, no guarantees though :)
[12:17] <teilnehmer> Hawkal, you are welcome. Hope it helps.
[12:17] <z0man> thats ok
[12:17] <z0man> It's another clue worth trying
[12:18] <Hawkal> psycho_oreos, that is okay, I am grateful for any help or response.
[12:19] <psycho_oreos> z0man, http://ncc-1701a.homelinux.net/~linux-sis/
[12:19] <z0man> thank you :)
[12:19] <teilnehmer> Hawkal: I fixed a terribly broken desktop that way once. Was what I got from keeping the ~/.kde (when I ran kubuntu) when I upgraded to 9.10
[12:20] <psycho_oreos> Hawkal, :)
[12:23] <Hawkal> teilnehmer, good to know it is an effective way ti fix things.
[12:23] <Hawkal> *to
[12:25] <teilnehmer> Hawkal: depends on what to fix. Let us know if it worked  for you!
[12:30] <Hawkal> teilnehmer, true .
[12:31] <Hawkal> Thanks for the help guys
[14:21] <Pres-Gas> Hey, charlie-tca
[20:13] <ubuntu> Having a spot of bother Xubuntu.  It moans of "Low Graphics Mode" and I have tried all the options in the GUI.  Also I have tried mounting the liveCD and cop
[20:13] <ubuntu> copied the xorg.conf from the liveCD boot to the installed the system with no success
[20:14] <ubuntu> any ideas?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> go into a tty, make sure ~/.dmrc and .ICEauthority are owned by the user and not by root
[20:27] <ubuntu> ok
[20:28] <ubuntu> this is the "users" folder?
[20:28] <ubuntu> /home/user?
[20:29] <ubuntu> .ICEauthority is not in the home directory
[20:30] <ubuntu> not in the home folder of the user
[20:31] <charlie-tca> They are hidden files
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Are in a terminal or thunar?
[20:31] <ubuntu> I have ticked @Show hidden files
[20:31] <ubuntu> in thunar
[20:31] <charlie-tca> should be towards the bottom of the listing in /home/USER/
[20:32] <ubuntu> ah its file?
[20:32] <ubuntu> ok it's owned by user
[20:32] <charlie-tca> yes, it is a file
[20:32] <ubuntu> and it has @read and Write
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Well, used up my ideas, then
[20:32] <ubuntu> @Owner = 1000
[20:32] <ubuntu> hmmm
[20:33] <ubuntu> thx anyway
[20:33] <charlie-tca> owner should be a name? instead of the gid
[20:33] <charlie-tca> s/gid/uid
[20:34] <lc2> hm
[20:34] <lc2> grep yourusername /etc/passwd
[20:35] <lc2> make sure the id is 1000, because as charlie-tca said, that is odd
[20:35] <lc2> third field, separated by colons
[20:37] <ubuntu> found an xorg.conf.new in the root of the file system
[20:37] <ubuntu> gonna try that one and then get back to u
[21:05] <lc2> gnomefreak: heretic! :P
[21:05] <gnomefreak> :)
[21:20] <_blink_> hey can someone tell me how to execute python files in xubuntu?
[21:22] <Sysi> in terminal: python <file>
[21:22] <Sysi> iirc
[21:22] <lc2> yes
[21:25] <_blink_> python filename.py
[21:25] <_blink_> thats it
[21:25] <Sysi> or you can add one line in top of file and just run it
[21:25] <lc2> #!/usr/bin/python
[21:26] <lc2> then "chmod 755 file.py" sans quotes
[21:26] <lc2> then you can just path/to/file.py or ./file.py if it's in your current working directory
[21:27] <lc2> in unrelated news, i'm doing another ubuntu install for a computer noob (not just a linux noob) tomorrow
[21:27] <lc2> feels good man
[21:29] <_blink_> Thanks people :)
[21:29] <_blink_> I have alot to learn
[21:30] <lc2> _blink_: we all did
[21:30]  * lc2 remembers the big "wtf" when he installed debian in 1998.
[21:31] <lc2> _blink_: but yeah, there's a trick you might not have guessed, the hashbang line, change that to any interpreter and set the file to executable and it'll be treated just like a binary is
[21:40] <lc2> okay so here's an interesting question
[21:40] <lc2> i'm running cairo-dock (because i want everyone to think i'm rich enough to run a mac)
[21:40] <lc2> (not entirely serious there, but i like cairo-dock)
[21:41] <lc2> i have it running automatically on startup, if i exit xubuntu and hit "save session" then it'll apparently see that cairo-dock is running and then load that on startup next time
[21:41] <lc2> but since i already have it loaded automatically, that means i get two cairo-docks
[21:42] <lc2> is there some way of telling xfce (or any of the lower-level programs) that a certain program should *never* be automatically restarted?
[21:46] <lc2> correction: i *think* it does it when i hit "save session", but i noticed it when i hit "reboot" from the update manager
[21:50] <lc2> (which, presumably, saves the session)
[22:06] <ubuntu> Struggling to add this xrandr
[22:06] <ubuntu> been reading up on this as for some reason xorg does not detect the settings for SiS chip anymore
[22:06] <ubuntu> Here is what I have been reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[22:07] <ubuntu> And to make my xrandr perminant I need to add it too
[22:07] <ubuntu> /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[22:07] <ubuntu> Just before the line...
[22:07] <ubuntu> initctl -q emit login-session-start DISPLAY_MANAGER=gdm
[22:07] <ubuntu> And it is not there
[22:08] <lc2> mmm. :\
[22:09] <ubuntu> The current chip set is a SiS 630 and it does not seem to be auto detecting the install system any more
[22:10] <ubuntu> Yet the liveCD does... So I figured something majorly has changed with the xorg
[22:17] <lc2> i'd help you but i don't know anything about that
[22:18] <ubuntu> thanks for reading at least ^^
[22:19] <lc2> yeah i just didn't want to think you were being ignored :)
[22:21] <ubuntu> {{{lc2}}}
[22:21] <lc2> {{{ubuntu}}}
[22:23] <ubuntu> going to try and change the xorg.conf instead
[22:25] <lc2> mm good luck