[05:51] <em> does ubuntu-restricted-extras include the w32codecs ?
[05:51] <KM0201> em: yes
[05:52] <KM0201> chrisA1: i really have no idea on that
[05:52] <ozzynotwood_> hello room, would anybody like to help me with editing a .conf file?
[05:52] <chrisA1> KM0201: okay, fair 'nuff, thanks for trying. Back to google for me.
[05:52] <chrisA1> 'night all.
[05:53] <ResQue> Could i please have some help with this command "X :12.0 vt12 2>&1 >/dev/null &". i understand the "x :12.0" is the screen which to run x on and that everything after the second ">" just dumps the output no where. but what is the "vt12 2" and the ">&1" doing. I have already read the x man pages and i am still confused. thanks
[05:54] <Random832> ResQue: 2>&1 makes the error output go the same place as the regular output
[05:55] <Random832> ResQue: and vt12 specifies which alt-Fkey it goes on
[05:55] <francisco> http://www.youtube.com/html5 try it better than flash plaeyr!
[05:56] <nawk> iflema: man, something is really weird.  I try to locate/select by clicking the "other" option, but after selection of the iso in the "open" dialog window, the image selection is not reflected, i.e., nothing selected
[05:56] <ZykoticK9> WhatWhereAmI, thank you.  When I used the grab it came up Gkrellm and not gkrellm, used the ! and now I don't have a shadow.  Thanks man.
[05:56] <WhatWhereAmI> ZykoticK9, np
[05:57] <iLinux> can we bypass sudo password? I'm tired of it.
[05:57] <knoppies> If I delete a symbolic link as sudo, does it delete the directory it links to? it seems to have on my PC.
[05:57] <WhatWhereAmI> iLinux, yeah, technically
[05:57] <knoppies> I cant loose that data.
[05:57] <iLinux> WhatWhereAmI, technically?
[05:57] <WhatWhereAmI> knoppies, what was the command you used?
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> iLinux, bad idea - you shouldn't have to use sudo that often
[05:58] <WhatWhereAmI> iLinux, in that it's probably not a good idea.
[05:58] <knoppies> rm www
[05:58] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, sudo rm www
[05:58] <knoppies> I think
[05:58] <WhatWhereAmI> knoppies, it shouldn't
[05:58] <rww> knoppies: that wouldn't remove the target of a symlink
[05:58] <nawk> I'm really going to jump to my Laptop (Ubuntu) to try usbcreator-gtk
[05:59] <knoppies> rww, WhatWhereAmI, I also tried to chgrp the sym link, that is when my directory (the target) seemed to disappear.
[06:00] <joel> joel
[06:00]  * iLinux is away:  iLinux  The Ubuntu Revolution. Working: [ON] - OFF
[06:00] <nit-wit> anybody on here with a hp mini 110 and knows the per-session key prompt for the boot menu
[06:00] <WhatWhereAmI> knoppies, did you chgrp recursively?
[06:00] <keith-> so unity that is on the netbook version is going to become the default?
[06:00] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, yes.
[06:00] <rww> ubottu: tell iLinux about away
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> keith-, yes
[06:00] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, no. My bad. I did not.
[06:01] <keith-> that is just fantastic. this is a nice setup. much better than the gnome 3 preview i've seen
[06:01] <ohzie> Hey guys how do you switch xorg drivers? This guy is using 'vesa' and he needs to be using 'intel' and 10.10 doesn't have a conf file by default? :(
[06:01] <iLinux> rww: I have already use that command
[06:01] <iLinux> ./away <r>
[06:01] <rww> iLinux: then your client is misconfigured. Please tell it not to echo away messages to the channel.
[06:01] <WhatWhereAmI> knoppies, then it should not have affected the target
[06:01] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549003/ The first ls, www works. the second ls, www is gone.
[06:02] <ohzie> rww: But he has to let us know about the ubuntu revolution
[06:02] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, the sudo rm www, I have not hit enter yet, so it hasn't done that.
[06:02] <iLinux> ohzie: It's ok. I have some misconfiguration.
[06:03] <iLinux> back to topic.
[06:03] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, I found it again. I had cleared the name in the propeties dialog, so it wasn't showing under ls or nautilus. Problem solved.
[06:04] <WhatWhereAmI> good, because i have no idea what you're talking about.
[06:04] <knoppies> WhatWhereAmI, nor do I.
[06:05] <acu_>  what this means  --- I am a bit confused about the root - I wanted www-data to be owner and everything (able to write etc) drwxr-xr-x 13 www-data root  4096 Dec 25 11:24 myfolder
[06:06] <acu_> I want to change FROM  drwxr-xr-x 13 www-data root  4096 Dec 25 11:24 myfolder  TO drwxr-xr-x 5 www-data www-data 4096 Jun 12  2010 myfolder (how can I do that ?
[06:07] <iLinux> what is the kernel for ubuntu lucid?
[06:07] <Besogon> chown
[06:07] <Besogon> ?
[06:07] <Besogon> acu_,
[06:07] <rww> acu_: sudo chgrp www-data myfolder
[06:07] <acu_> got chown - what exactly I shoul do
[06:07] <rww> I think the syntax to do it with chown is "sudo chown :www-data myfolder"
[06:08] <Besogon> acu_, I don't know what chgrp do (chown owner:goup foulder)
[06:08] <ZykoticK9> iLinux, 2.6.32-27-generic
[06:09] <knoppies> Besogon, it changes the group of the permissions of your file/folder
[06:09] <Besogon> aha
[06:10] <iLinux> ZykoticK9: 2.6.32-27-generic ? In my ubuntu is 2.6.32-21-generic. No problem with kernel huh?
[06:10] <acu_> so I should do both chown and chgrp ?
[06:10] <rww> acu_: no, they do the same thing
[06:10] <rww> pick one and roll with it
[06:11] <Guest69138> you could, but chown can do both
[06:11] <acu_> chown did not - it just changed the owner not the group
[06:11] <ZykoticK9> iLinux, i may have a kernel update waiting?  I don't understand your "No problem with kernel huh?" statement.
[06:11] <Besogon> acu_, If you need change only group use chgrp, but if you need change the owner too use chown
[06:12] <Guest69138> there are 2 parameters separated by a ":"
[06:12] <Sandres> !gnash
[06:12] <plc90210> whenever i try to install the bcmwl-kernel source package, I get an error saying i must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.35-22-generic (i686) first... what does this mean?
[06:12] <rww> acu_: it does if you use the syntax I gave you.
[06:12] <ZykoticK9> acu_, as Guest69138 pointed out - use "chown user:group file_to_alter"
[06:12] <guineapig> I keep getting asked for a password while downloading torrents because one of the trackers resolves to <IP_ADDRESS> and I have a webserver on that box.  What ip should I redirect the lookup to in hosts?
[06:12] <wers> can OS X and Ubuntu nicely share a partition? if so, what format?
[06:13] <em> are you sure that the w32codcs are in ubuntu-restircted-extras ?
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> wers, fat is probably the easiers - i don't think mac writes to ntfs by default.  and the EXTs are probably out.
[06:13] <KM0201> em: they should be.. what file format are you trying to play?
[06:14] <em> .avi
[06:14] <Guest69138> acu  - If your still stuck try doing a google on how to + chown.  That should give you some examples
[06:14] <ZykoticK9> em, w32codecs is actually a separate medibuntu package non-free-codecs i think.
[06:14] <wers> ZykoticK9: great. would it be fine if I use that shared fat partition as my /home?
[06:14] <acu_> rww: got it done - thanks - chgrp - thank you ZykoticK9  AND Besogon
[06:14] <rww> KM0201: They're not, actually.
[06:14] <KM0201> em: just double click on an .avi, and it will tell you it needs to download a  package.. and let it do it.. it probably is a gstreamer plugin
[06:14] <KM0201> rww: yeah, i just realized that.
[06:15] <ZykoticK9> wers, for /home not a good idea at all!  you'll run into problems.  make a separate shared partition.
[06:15] <wers> ZykoticK9: ok. I'll just have a shared media partition (fat)
[06:16] <plc90210> whenever i try to install the bcmwl-kernel-source package, I get an error saying i "must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.35-22-generic (i686) first"... what does this mean?
[06:16] <wers> ZykoticK9: how about sharing config files between Ubuntu and OS X? like .firefox? Is there a way to do that?
[06:16] <KM0201> plc90210: is the machine connected to the internet.
[06:17] <plc90210> no
[06:17] <ZykoticK9> wers, i HIGHLY doubt that would work - but might be possible.
[06:17] <KM0201> oh ok.
[06:17] <shawnboy> I can't get key-based ssh to work. Can anyone help?
[06:17] <KM0201> plc90210: look here under "no internet access" it looks like it's ont he CD, if you have it handy.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[06:18] <shawnboy> I created rsa key pair, then uploaded .pub to remote machine's .ssh/authorized_keys
[06:18] <wers> ZykoticK9: ok great. thanks!
[06:18] <ZykoticK9> wers, glad to help
[06:18] <shawnboy> it still asks for my password
[06:19] <jkoch> who was helping me with my problem before? my computer restarted for some reason
[06:19] <plc90210> KM0201: but if it's on the cd, shouldn't it have installed when I installed ubuntu?
[06:19] <KM0201> plc90210: not necessarily.
[06:20] <nawk> Out of curiosity, what happens if I do "sudo apt-get install packagefoo", and there are multiple packages named "packagefoo" from several different repos?
[06:20] <KM0201> plc90210: it's an optional package...
[06:21] <nawk> will apt-get get into a conniption?
[06:21] <MoMo> what is the vnc package i want if I want to VNC from a windows box and control a live session on a unbuntu screen?
[06:21] <KM0201> plc90210: it's a lot easier if you can cable it to a router for about 2min
[06:21] <plc90210> KM0201: I did, still no internet...
[06:21] <nawk> or will it simply/gently ask me (with instructions on how to specify) from which repo I want "packagefoo" froom?
[06:21] <KM0201> plc90210: really?..thats interesting
[06:22] <KM0201> plc90210: what broadcom device do you have, if you don't mind me asking?
[06:22] <Maahes> um, anyone know how to use the aptitude ncurses program? I'm trying to sort packages by their current state flag, but after reading the manual I still am not sure how to go about this (Yes I have to use the ncurses program, I lost X)
[06:22] <plc90210> BCM4311
[06:22] <plc90210> its a really old laptop...
[06:23] <KM0201> plc90210: why don't you just use b43?
[06:23] <zetheroo> BROADCOM ... the joys
[06:23] <KM0201> plc90210: i actually set that device up the other day w/ the b43 driver, and it worked fine
[06:23] <plc90210> how do i set up the b43?
[06:24] <KM0201> plc90210: it's on that same page i gave you the link to.. just scroll down the the "b43" driver.. it's listed to support the 4311.. but if you've already started w/ the STA, might as well finish w/ it
[06:25] <KM0201> plc90210: did you install from cd?
[06:26] <plc90210> KM0201: when it says "something is located on the ubuntu install media under /pool/main/..." what is it referring to?
[06:26] <plc90210> how do i access it from the cd
[06:26] <KM0201> plc90210: do you have an ubuntu live CD, or did you install from USB, or what?
[06:26] <plc90210> i burned it on a cd from the website and used the cd
[06:27] <KM0201> plc90210: ok, "used the cd".. did you use wubi, or did you boot the cd and install?
[06:27] <plc90210> boot the cd and install
[06:27] <KM0201> ok..
[06:27] <KM0201> put the cd in the drive..
[06:27] <plc90210> i did
[06:28] <smoke_> yeah men
[06:28] <smoke_> wtf
[06:28] <smoke_> xD
[06:28] <KM0201> plc90210: ok, do you see an icon on your desktop that say s"ubuntu 10.xx " or something like that?
[06:28] <plc90210> yeah
[06:28] <KM0201> plc90210: ok, double click it
[06:28] <plc90210> done, next?
[06:28] <KM0201> plc90210: before you go much further, did you install the bmcwl-kernel-source ?
[06:29] <KM0201> like it say above?
[06:29] <plc90210> tried to, but the installation failed, i have it downloaded on the desktop though
[06:29] <KM0201> plc90210: ok.. do this.
[06:30] <KM0201> plc90210: go to system/admin/synaptic package manager
[06:30] <plc90210> ok
[06:30] <KM0201> plc90210: ok... now click settings/repositories
[06:30] <KM0201> plc90210: on the first tab under settings/repositories.. make sure at the bottom the "Use CD" box is checked.
[06:30] <secretary_linux> I recently changed the network layout on and around our main server. For some reason now the server is still able to reach itself as one of its old IP addresses. That address, for that matter that entire subnet, is not listed in /etc/network/interfaces, ifconfig, route, or arp. When I ssh to it I'm getting the same signature so I know it's the same box. How can I track down this phantom IP address?
[06:31] <KM0201> plc90210: after you've checked that box... click close, make sure the cd is in the drive, and click "reload"
[06:31] <KM0201> plc90210: you'll get errors because it can't et on the internet, but i'm not concerned about that just yet
[06:32] <plc90210> yep, i got an error after clicking reload
[06:32] <KM0201> plc90210: thats fine.. thats because you're not oonline
[06:32] <KM0201> plc90210: now, make sure the cd is in the drive
[06:32] <KM0201> and in the upper right
[06:32] <plc90210> it is
[06:32] <KM0201> do a search for bcmwl
[06:32] <KM0201> and you should see th e"kernel source" package there, right?
[06:32] <iLinux> Can I Participate in ubuntu?
[06:32] <plc90210> yeah
[06:33] <plc90210> i see it
[06:33] <KM0201> plc90210: does it show installed?(green dot beside it?)
[06:33] <plc90210> nope
[06:33] <KM0201> iLinux: i don't see why not
[06:33] <KM0201> plc90210: right click that package and choose "mark for installation"
[06:33] <ResQue> is it safe to allow any user to start an X session. i think by default only root can start xsession and the GDM service starts it for you. but i want to start another one on a different virtual terminal so i can start a remote x session
[06:33] <KM0201> plc90210: you might get a message that it wants to "mark" some other dependencies...
[06:33] <plc90210> it won't let me click mark for installation
[06:34] <KM0201> huh?
[06:34] <KM0201> it won't let you click it?
[06:34] <plc90210> it will only let me click mark for upgrade, removal, complete removal or properties
[06:34] <plc90210> yeah, it won't let me click it, it's blacked out
[06:34] <KM0201> plc90210: if its "mark for upgrade or removal"... then it's already installed
[06:35] <KM0201> there's no green dot beside it?
[06:35] <zetheroo> I am getting this odd message every time I load up FF : A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:46269. The site says: "bookmarkable-user-auth"
[06:35] <zetheroo> how can I stop this ?
[06:35] <plc90210> no, there's a grey square with an exclamation mark beside it
[06:35] <plc90210> and the ubuntu logo
[06:36] <KM0201> plc90210: did you try to install it from that package you downloaded?
[06:36] <zetheroo> another thing I am wondering is ... why is it that instead of a Ubuntu splash screen while Ubuntu is loading all I see is a black screen?
[06:36] <KM0201> zetheroo: shuttleworth hates splash screens
[06:36] <bonjoyee> how to recover individual mpeg files deleted from a sony handycam?
[06:36] <KM0201> :)
[06:36] <plc90210> yeah, it returned an error saying i need to installed dkms of kernel i686 or something like that
[06:36] <tiox> zetheroo: Might be Plymouth being a douche. Try reinstalling it.
[06:37] <KM0201> plc90210: ok.. right click that, and choose "mark for removal
[06:37] <zetheroo> KM0201: humph
[06:37] <zetheroo> tiox: reinstalling what exactly?
[06:37] <plc90210> ok
[06:37] <tiox> What version of Firefox?
[06:37] <tiox> Erm...
[06:37] <tiox> Ubuntu. Sorry, late.
[06:37] <KM0201> plc90210: now click Apply if you didn't already, and let it uninstall
[06:37] <iflema> zetheroo i find the proprietary drivers dont work... anything else is fine
[06:38] <tiox> I can hardly think. Anyway, try reinstalling Plymouth if you use the more current versions of Ubuntu.
[06:38] <zetheroo> iflema: so depending on the gfx driver one uses you may or may not see a Ubuntu loading screen?
[06:39] <plc90210> KM0201: ok, it's uninstalled
[06:39] <zetheroo> tiox: 10.10
[06:39] <KM0201> plc90210: ok... now.. .again, make sure cd is in the drive
[06:39] <KM0201> and right click it
[06:39] <KM0201> and "mark for insallation"
[06:39] <tiox> Yeah, Plymouth is used as the boot splash screen. Before, I think it was xsplash, but don't take my word on that.
[06:39] <iflema> zetheroo in my experience yes... non proprietary drivers work just fine.
[06:40] <plc90210> right click the cd icon, and click mark for installation? "mark for installation" isn't an option
[06:40] <tiox> I was asking in antoher channel about the user defined session. What is that about, and how can I take advantage of it?
[06:40] <zetheroo> iflema: I'll test that out right now ... I have a laptop with Intel gfx ...
[06:40] <KM0201> plc90210: the cd icon?.. where'd you get that... right click bcmwl-kernel-source
[06:40] <KM0201> in synaptic
[06:40] <plc90210> oh..
[06:41] <plc90210> ok, next?
[06:41] <KM0201> plc90210: basically what we did was remove that broke ass package you installed, and now that we've added the cd repository.. you'll reinstall it, and it should pull everything off the cd for you.
[06:41] <zetheroo> tiox: isn't that where you save the state of your session as it is and then have the ability to boot back into it?
[06:41] <KM0201> plc90210: after you click mark for installation, click apply..
[06:41] <tiox> I am not sure, why i was asking.
[06:42] <tiox> Because I would like to be able to change in gconf what I use as my "Panel" for the user defined session, and keep the Ubuntu Desktop Session as something in case something goes catastrophically wrong.
[06:42] <plc90210> ok, done
[06:42] <KM0201> plc90210: ok, now just to make sure it went ok
[06:42] <KM0201> in the upper right
[06:42] <KM0201> do a search for "fakeroot" and make sure it sinstalled
[06:42] <dexikiix> hey all, its been a while since i used ubby, can someone tell me a quick way to get the close/min/max buttons over to the right side of the title bar?
[06:43] <tiox> dexikiix: Couple ways.
[06:43] <plc90210> that's broken too... i'll fix it
[06:43] <KM0201> ok.
[06:43] <tiox> Install Emerald and use that instead of GTK. Alternatively...
[06:43] <KM0201> go ahead and fix that one
[06:43] <tiox> Press alt+F2 and type in gconf-editor
[06:43] <plc90210> and patch too right?
[06:43] <KM0201> plc90210: same way we did before, remove it, mark for installation, and rreinstall
[06:43] <KM0201> plc90210: yes
[06:43] <tiox> Are you there, dexikiix
[06:43] <tiox> ?
[06:44] <KM0201> plc90210: patch, fakeroot and dkms
[06:44] <glitchd> heres a question for all the linux genius's in here..
[06:44] <dexikiix> tiox: yes i was looking through gconf-editor
[06:44] <tiox> Okay, now let me figure out where to go...
[06:45] <plc90210> patch and dkms had a green dot next to them so i guess they were installed correctly
[06:45] <tiox> Look under apps/metacity and find general.
[06:45] <KM0201> plc90210: ok...
[06:45] <plc90210> ok... next step...
[06:45] <zetheroo>  iflema: just booted into my Intel gfx laptop ... no Ubuntu boot screen either
[06:45] <KM0201> and fakeroot is now installed correctly?
[06:45] <glitchd> Is there a way to make a direct copy of how my system is now, so that when i do mess it up, and i will, trust me, i can just restore it to the working state instead of having to reinstall then find all the stuff i want again??
[06:45] <dexikiix> tiox: i didnt think people still used emerald :p or was that just compiz people don't use?
[06:45] <tiox> Click that, there is something called Button Layout.
[06:45] <plc90210> yeah, fakeroot is now installed correctly
[06:45] <KM0201> plc90210: ok go ahead adn close synaptic
[06:45] <tiox> Replace the current entry with menu:minimize,maximize,close
[06:45] <KM0201> plc90210: then go to system/admin/additional drivers
[06:46] <KM0201> and you should see the STA driver there
[06:46] <tiox> dexikiix: Did you follow along?
[06:46] <plc90210> ok i see it
[06:46] <dexikiix> tiox: yes, so far it switched but has not moved to the right side :p
[06:46] <KM0201> plc90210: highlight it.. and click activate
[06:47] <tiox> Eh?
[06:47] <KM0201> plc90210: then you'll probably have to restart
[06:47] <tiox> It should work immediately.
[06:47] <glitchd> KM0201, look at u helpin everyone i see..lol
[06:47] <dexikiix> tiox: right now those buttons are at top left, and i'd prefer top right
[06:47] <tiox> I know.
[06:47] <KM0201> glitchd: i always help in here...
[06:47] <tiox> Under general, you found button_layout right?
[06:47] <plc90210> KM0201: there is no activate button
[06:47] <dexikiix> tiox: yes
[06:47] <glitchd> KM0201, i noticed, i was commending u, not taking a stab.
[06:47] <KM0201> plc90210: at the bottom.. you don't see "acctivate"
[06:47] <plc90210> nope
[06:47] <KM0201> glitchd: oh ok..lol
[06:48] <plc90210> only help, close, and remove
[06:48] <KM0201> plc90210: do you have the STA driver highlighted?
[06:48] <glitchd> KM0201, u have helped me on a number of occations
[06:48] <plc90210> yeah
[06:48] <iLinux>  hello
[06:48] <tiox> Hang on a sec then...
[06:48] <zetheroo> reinstalled plymouth but no luck still
[06:48] <glitchd> *occations
[06:48] <tiox> Okay them, try opening terminal, use command gtk-window-decorator --replace
[06:48] <glitchd> KM0201, heres a question for ya
[06:48] <tiox> then*
[06:48] <KM0201> plc90210: try restarting... see if when you come back, you can activate that driver
[06:49] <ox3a> I want to remove Gnome environment and installing kde just customizing ubuntu 10.10. Can anyone suggest me please?
[06:49] <glitchd> KM0201, do u know if there is a way to make a backup of my os, so that when i mess it up, and i will, i can just restore it to the working state that it was in before?
[06:49] <iLinux> ox3a, just change with kubuntu
[06:49] <glitchd> KM0201, packages and all?
[06:49] <tiox> ox3a: Better off installking kubuntu. But if you still want to give it a shot, just choose to install the KDE environment from synaptic.
[06:49] <glitchd> KM0201, i ask this because i have had to reinstall like 4 times in the past 2 days
[06:49] <tiox> Them, log off, and log back into your account with the KDE environment.
[06:49] <KM0201> glitchd: only way i know of to do it, would be to clone the drive.. but that would be a huge pain...
[06:50] <dexikiix> tiox: still on left side, just took out some theming
[06:50] <KM0201> not to mention, take a lot of space.
[06:50] <tiox> This is odd...
[06:50] <glitchd> KM0201, yes, and that is not what i want to do
[06:50] <bullgard4> ox3a: Please install the KDE meta-package. After finishing you can remove GNOME packages step-by-step.
[06:50] <tiox> Okay, dexikiix, I am going to link you to a theme./
[06:50] <KM0201> glitchd: i assume you're asking for something like 'restore points' w/ the Redmond OS's
[06:50] <glitchd> KM0201, i just want to take like a snapshot of the os in the working state
[06:50] <ox3a> tiox, and how to remove complete gnome?
[06:50] <glitchd> KM0201, im in ubuntu 10.04
[06:50] <KM0201> glitchd: i'm not saying there isn't... but not that i know of.
[06:50] <glitchd> KM0201, and i am just tired of setting up the same shit over and over again
[06:51] <tiox> ox3a: Install Kubuntu. It'll be way easier than dealing with the removal of Gnome.
[06:51] <tiox> Or...
[06:51] <glitchd> KM0201, can u point me in the direction of a possible answer maybe?
[06:51] <tiox> Grab a Kubuntu CD image and burn the ISO to CD, boot from CD to check out KDE.
[06:51] <nawk> iflema: is usb-creator a utility specifically for creating Ubuntu Startup Disks, or any other Distro LiveUSB?
[06:51] <glitchd> KM0201, i dont care about the downloads or any of that, just the os system
[06:51] <glitchd> can i maybe burn it to a dvd or somthing?
[06:51] <ox3a> tiox, actually i do not have much idea about kbuntu that if i miss anything in kubuntu
[06:52] <KM0201> glitchd: honestly the best way to do that, would probably be to have /home on a separate partition...
[06:52] <tiox> dexikiix: Go here: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ambiance_R+%28Ambiance+Right+Side%29?content=123927
[06:52] <tiox> Download that theme.
[06:52] <glitchd> KM0201, how would that help?
[06:52] <bullgard4> ox3a: tiox has given you not a good advice. Too much effort.
[06:52] <KM0201> glitchd: that would save all of your configuration files, etc..
[06:52] <tiox> bullgard4: What you are talking about takes too much effort! P
[06:52] <dexikiix> tiox: btw, the right side of my windows is now populated by some empty boxes and the window menu
[06:52] <tiox> \:P*
[06:52] <tiox> Odd.
[06:53] <frobisher> ox3a look at pinguyos
[06:53] <bullgard4> tiox: What you suggested.
[06:53] <KM0201> plc90210: any luck?
[06:53] <ox3a> frobisher, ?
[06:53] <Maahes> um, anyone know how to use the aptitude ncurses program? I'm trying to sort packages by their current state flag, but after reading the manual I still am not sure how to go about this (Yes I have to use the ncurses program, I lost X)
[06:53] <frobisher> yes
[06:53] <tiox> Try button layout again, except, be sure the only thing in there is menu:minimize,maximize,close dexikiix
[06:53] <ox3a> frobisher, pakage is it?
[06:54] <tiox> bullgard4: It's not terribly much effort if you did this for Ubuntu already.
[06:54] <glitchd> dexikiix, sounds like the wrong words are in the gconf setting for the button layout
[06:54] <plc90210> crap...
[06:54] <glitchd> tiox, sry didnt see u answered the before i did
[06:54] <dexikiix> glitchd: let me check for typos
[06:54] <plc90210> i should have taken the cd out before restarting...
[06:54] <bullgard4> tiox: I disagree.
[06:54] <KM0201> plc90210: lol
[06:54] <ox3a> tiox, any different ubuntu 10.10 and kubuntu 10.10?
[06:54] <glitchd> dexikiix, menu:minimize,maximize,close
[06:54] <frobisher> ox3a PingutOS is a preconfigered ubuntu clone
[06:55] <glitchd> dexikiix, thats what it should say exactly
[06:55] <plc90210> i'll just turn it off, take the cd out, and turn it back on
[06:55] <glitchd> dexikiix, that is if u want the buttons on the right side of the window
[06:55] <dexikiix> ah, somehow missed the word "menu" and just had the stuff after
[06:55] <KM0201> plc90210: it's not code red critical.. no need to go crazy..
[06:55] <dexikiix> works properly now, thank you tiox glitchd
[06:55] <tiox> bullgard4: If you are looking to try out the KDE environment for Ubuntu, best way is with kubuntu. Go to kubuntu.com, download the ISO file. Pop a CD-R into your CD burner, burn the ISO onto disk, reboot with CD in the drive, choose to boot from CD with your boot manager, or through your BIOS, change boot order to have CD run first.
[06:56] <glitchd> KM0201, could i do that with a os that is installed already? or would i have to reinstall again?
[06:56] <tiox> Ubuntu makes this so easy to do.
[06:56] <nawk> My USB flash drive still cannot boot after I've tried using usbcreator.
[06:56] <shawnboy> why am I still being prompted for a password even after putting rsa keys in place for ssh?
[06:56] <ox3a> tiox, and will i get everything of ubuntu in kubuntu?
[06:56] <KM0201> glitchd: ah... honestly, i don't put home on a separate partition, but i *believe* you would have to reinstall and repartition your drive
[06:56] <glitchd> dexikiix, np
[06:56] <nawk> it's stuck at the "SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian-2008-07-15 ...." message
[06:56] <tiox> ox3a: Not entirely. But a lot of things for Ubuntu are gnome-specific.
[06:57] <tiox> A lot of things for kubuntu are KDE-specific.
[06:57] <glitchd> KM0201, ughh:(  ill just wait till i screw this install up to do that
[06:57] <shawnboy> glitchd: you can move to sep home partition without reinstalling
[06:57] <glitchd> KM0201, thank you tho
[06:57] <KM0201> lol
[06:57] <glitchd> shawnboy, do tell..
[06:57] <KM0201> ah see, maybe you don't hae to reinstall
[06:57] <tiox> But you can install (temporarily) live whatever you want to play with using KDE's package manager, which I am not entirely sure what it is.
[06:57] <tiox> Can somenone confirm what it is forme?
[06:58] <shawnboy> well, you could google for it, or I have reproduced others' work on my personal blog.
[06:58] <ox3a> tiox, yeah but such will i miss such as server,database,networking software?
[06:58] <tiox> dexikiix: If you clicked my gnome-look link, you'll want to then extract the theme somewhere. Assume desktop in this case...
[06:58] <KM0201> tiox: if you want kubuntu support, try #kubuntu
[06:58] <harrypotter> hey guys,any good games in ubuntu?
[06:58] <KM0201> harrypotter: not really
[06:58] <KM0201> !games | harrypotter
[06:59] <Gnea> tiox: pretty sure kubuntu uses adept
[06:59] <ox3a> KM0201, kubuntu not support for ubuntu?
[06:59] <KM0201> i think so
[06:59] <tiox> Then, after that extract Ambiance_R, launch terminal, type in sudo mv ~/Desktop/Ambiance_R /usr/share/themes
[06:59] <KM0201> ox3a: no, they're different... #kubuntu for kubuntu, #xubuntu for xubuntu, and so on
[06:59] <Gnea> ox3a: no, they are mutually exclusive as far as operational values are concerned. many tasks between them are in parrallel, but it can be rare
[06:59] <KM0201> plc90210: any joy?
[07:00] <Gnea> parallel*
[07:00] <plc90210> KM0201: yeah, the driver's now activated
[07:00] <KM0201> plc90210: well, thas good
[07:00] <KM0201> can you see wireless networks
[07:00] <tiox> ox3a: It's your best bet to try out kubuntu for the best KDE experience. Some applications in Ubuntu will break using Gnome apps unless there are KDE-supported Gnome applications.
[07:00] <plc90210> yep
[07:00] <KM0201> plc90210: well sing the hallelujah chorus
[07:00] <plc90210> now the pain of trying to connect to the wireless network begins
[07:01] <KM0201> plc90210: that should be fairly simple.
[07:01] <KM0201> plc90210: why do you think that would be difficult?
[07:01] <ox3a> tiox, i am worry if i miss very nice tools of ubuntu in kubuntu. Will it?
[07:01] <Gnea> tiox, ox3a: actually, you can run many KDE applications just fine in Ubuntu, as it will automatically install kde library support for them. the applications that will likely fail are those requiring the K environment to be running
[07:01] <TULeGiT> wow
[07:01] <tiox> ox3a: We're just trying to say, you are better off trying Kubuntu for Ubuntu+KDE so you don't break Ubuntu trying to remove Gnome in favor for KDE.
[07:01] <XiaolinDraconis> im trying to make a rescue/emergency bootable usb stick
[07:02]  * KM0201 thinks KDE is pretty close to a Linux virus
[07:02] <plc90210> KM0201: it's a really old laptop that's had issues with this in the past
[07:02] <KM0201> plc90210: uh.. ok
[07:02] <tiox> And, beside that, you can install the KDE environement and pick it from your login screen.
[07:02] <Gnea> KM0201: less so than gnome, IMHO ;)
[07:02] <tiox> environment*
[07:02] <TULeGiT> ... wtf
[07:02] <XiaolinDraconis> the first time i tried it worked just fine
[07:02] <KM0201> Gnea: elitist!.. :)
[07:02] <ox3a> KM0201, kde is more fast
[07:02] <Gnea> KM0201: hey now, I prefer E17 :)
[07:02] <KM0201> ox3a: i guess thats in the eye of the beholder... i hate KDE... it is WAY slower on my systems than gnome
[07:03] <XiaolinDraconis> but i erased it so i could make it a ext4 fs and it didnt work
[07:03] <KM0201> ox3a: not to mention it looks like my 6yr old broke out his crayola's to design it
[07:03] <XiaolinDraconis> so i erased it again and went back to fat16 and it still wont work
[07:03] <tiox> KM0201: If hsi PC can run it, don't knock it yet.
[07:03] <Gnea> ox3a: actually, XFCE and E17 beat KDE and Gnome as far as speed, memory usage and optimization are concerned
[07:03] <tiox> his*
[07:03] <ox3a> KM0201, OK
[07:03] <KM0201> tiox: i hate it...
[07:03] <XiaolinDraconis> im following the exact same steps as before
[07:03] <KM0201> Gnome is fine, really like lxde
[07:03] <tiox> I should try XFCE some time.
[07:04] <Gnea> you can run E17 on a 486 and even earlier Pentium I and II systems these days, can't say the same for gnome or kde
[07:04] <KM0201> xfce is ok... but honestly, w/ xfce4(at least on ubuntu) it is just as bloated as gnome.
[07:04] <ox3a> tiox, Will i able to install all tools of ubuntu in kubuntu?
[07:04] <shcherbak> KM0201: i have designed t-shits with slogan Renove your Xservers! Can reband it for you... deKDE yourselfs
[07:04] <tiox> ox3a: Some, maybe. Like Firefox.
[07:04] <tiox> Wait...
[07:04] <ox3a> tiox, ok
[07:05] <KM0201> shcherbak: lol, clever
[07:05] <shcherbak> *REmove*
[07:05] <Gnea> heh, firefox doesn't require gnome
[07:05] <tiox> Confirm this one people: If he installs the KDE environment, he can still use his GNome tools right?
[07:05] <Gnea> tiox: there are KDE tools he can use in place of them
[07:05] <KM0201> and they'd probably be more efficient
[07:05] <tiox> But, he wants to know if he can still use all of the tools he's grown use to using Gnome.
[07:06] <Gnea> it depends on the tool
[07:06] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, most of the tools are there. and if you want a really bloated system you can run gnome and kde at the same time
[07:06] <tiox> I think he can, since e17 was pretty nice with using some Gnome things.
[07:06] <tiox> rofl
[07:06] <Gnea> having a list would be a more efficient way of asking, otherwise he'll need to dive in and try
[07:06] <KM0201> plc90210: so what problem are you having connecting to networks?
[07:06] <Gnea> tiox: indeed, but even then it's not going to run gnome applets and such
[07:07] <plc90210> it can't connect to my home network
[07:07] <tiox> ox3a: Just download Kubuntu from kubuntu.com, burn it to CD and boot from CD.
[07:07] <KM0201> plc90210: can you log into your router, and set it to broadcast for a few minutes?
[07:07] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, or use grubs ability to boot from iso
[07:07] <tiox> With KDE, you do have to change how you use your machine quite a bit.
[07:07] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, actually i am trying to make it own distro and i was used kde for long term
[07:07] <tiox> XiaolinDraconis: Let's not confuse him. I always use my PC's ability to boot before system POST.
[07:08] <Gnea> I've always thought of switching GUIs as a way of learning how to use the OS better
[07:08] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, In kde menu editing is very easy
[07:08] <KM0201> plc90210: when you say it "can't connect to your network".. what exactly do you mean?
[07:08] <plc90210> well I can identify it and am able to try to connect to it and it tries to connect for a while, but then it says it disconnected
[07:08] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, its a real nice setup i havent used it for long tho just a couple days
[07:09] <Gnea> I've used Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu and all are fairly well put together
[07:09] <KM0201> plc90210: ok....
[07:09] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, i like the way it looks and feels
[07:09] <KM0201> plc90210: can you log into your router?
[07:09] <plc90210> ... how do i do that?
[07:09] <KM0201> hmm
[07:09] <KM0201> <IP_ADDRESS> usually
[07:09] <KM0201> try disabling security, and see if you can connect
[07:09] <[thor]> or 0.1
[07:09] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, i downloaded the kde desktop package from repos and made a new user to log into kde session with
[07:10] <tiox> ox3a: I find Gnome menu editing very easy too. Can you explain why you want to make the switch?
[07:10] <shawnboy> why isn't passwordless ssh working for me?
[07:11] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, what will be the best for me (already tiox told about kubuntu)?
[07:11] <Gnea> shawnboy: probably because you're not doing it right
[07:11] <shawnboy> thanks Gnea
[07:12] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, depends on what you like
[07:12] <Gnea> shawnboy: so what method are you trying to use?
[07:12] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, i would say since you already know gnome then stick with it
[07:12] <shawnboy> i've done it before but it's not working this time, Gnea.
[07:13] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, i waited a year before trying kde
[07:13] <shawnboy> Gnea: I have openssh-server installed... generated keys.
[07:13] <Gnea> shawnboy: you'll need to be more specific than that, please.
[07:13] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, i wanted to get comfortable with my new desktop
[07:13] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, I like ubuntu all package but problem is i do not like gnom envro
[07:13] <shawnboy> Gnea: then put the pub key in the remote machines authorized_keys file under .ssh
[07:13] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, what dont you like about it?
[07:13] <tiox> ox3a also needs to be more specific with what applications for Gnome he wants to carry over into KDE.
[07:13] <Gnea> shawnboy: sounds right..
[07:13] <shawnboy> Gnea: shouldn't that be it?
[07:14] <Gnea> shawnboy: it should be. did you follow this tutorial? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30709
[07:14] <tiox> As i said before, install the KDE environment. Do NOT remove Gnome, since the login window is a part of the Gnome environment.
[07:14] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, actually i am using kde since 4 years
[07:15] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, Now it very fun for me
[07:15] <tiox> If you remove GDM, you'll need to specify from TTY your login, and what environment to log into. Meaning, you'll pretty much be booting into a terminal.
[07:15] <shawnboy> Gnea: I'll look at it. I did exactly what I said, nothing more nothing less. I'll look at that link, though. thanks.
[07:15] <shcherbak> tiox: gdm can be replaced too, with kdm (for frustrated)
[07:15] <Gnea> tiox: don't forget, the kubuntu-desktop will actually install kdm
[07:15] <XiaolinDraconis> i installed kdm and still use gnome session
[07:15] <tiox> Oh?
[07:16] <XiaolinDraconis> yeah it came with the package
[07:16] <XiaolinDraconis> kinda a pain to switch back n forth tho
[07:16] <Gnea> shawnboy: yeah, never know if maybe there was a small step missed, I've done that before
[07:16] <ox3a> tiox, can you tell me  about uck?
[07:16] <tiox> So, he can install the KDE environment, uninstall GDM, log in using K's login screen and using adept, remove all things Gnome?
[07:16] <XiaolinDraconis> yep
[07:16]  * tiox scratches his head
[07:16] <Gnea> in theory
[07:16] <XiaolinDraconis> dont forget to switch to kdm first tho
[07:16] <ox3a> tiox, yea all thing
[07:17] <dexikiix> hey im back... may have seen this coming, but i need help w/ flash, im 64-bit
[07:17] <shcherbak> tiox: it is a bit messy, but yes
[07:17] <tiox> Huh. Well, as I said ox3a, and I will breathlessly advocate this method.
[07:17] <Gnea> !flash | dexikiix
[07:17] <tiox> Burn kubuntu to disk and try it out.
[07:17] <XiaolinDraconis> he said he used it for 4 years
[07:17] <tiox> Oh.
[07:17] <Gnea> yeah
[07:18] <tiox> Well... I missed that.
[07:18] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, have you tried lxde
[07:18] <ox3a> tiox, there is a option for kde env (Just i wanna customize my ubuntu)
[07:18] <Gnea> :)
[07:18] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, no
[07:18] <tiox> So yeah. Try installing the KDE environment and switch to KDM, log in with it and kill Gnome off.
[07:19] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, it uses half the resources as kde and gnome
[07:19] <shcherbak> ox3a: go for awesome, wired, but less than xmonad
[07:19] <tiox> But, mind you, kubuntu is preconfigured with all the K apps you'll want, and you can install what's missing later.
[07:19] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, do you just want to make your gnome look better?
[07:20] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, tiox will it any harm for operating sys if i install only kdm?
[07:20] <tiox> I feel a few of us should invite ox3a into a special ad-hoc channel so we can offset his questioning away from here, and allow others to ask questions without being lost in a flurry of stuff to him
[07:20] <shawnboy> Gnea: I'm back. thanks for help.
[07:21] <shawnboy> Gnea: things are working in ssh again ... passwordless.
[07:21] <tiox> ox3a: Nope.
[07:21] <tiox> Just do it right.
[07:21] <tiox> I cannot help you with this because I have no interest in replacing with K, nor have I ever replaced Gnome with K
[07:21] <shawnboy> now, does ANYONE have FreeNX working?
[07:22] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, nope im using kdm now cause i found an awesome theme for it
[07:22] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, http://img10.imageshack.us/i/screenshotmni.png/
[07:22] <KM0201> shawn146: whats freenx?
[07:22] <KM0201> !freenx
[07:22] <shawnboy> KM0201: you mean shawnboy? FreeNX is remote desktop app that actually works.
[07:22] <KM0201> for soem reason i'm ok here in IRC, and I'm playing online poker w/o issue, and i'm chatting w/ Pidgin.. by my web browser isn't wrking.. go figure
[07:23] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, kdm?(very nice)
[07:23] <XiaolinDraconis> uncheck work offline.... lol
[07:23] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, kdm is the login screen
[07:23] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, thats a gnome session
[07:23] <KM0201> XiaolinDraconis: i wish it were that easy
[07:23] <tiox> Just mind, if you remove Gnome, you'll also take out some Gnome-related apps, and things will get broken along the way, whatever may reside on your system that REQUIRED Gnome after removal
[07:23] <shawnboy> the Ubuntu documentation is a little lacking. i did it all, but don't know how to set it up, administer it, or connect.
[07:24] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, tiox is absolutely right dont remove gnome that way
[07:25] <tiox> XiaolinDraconis: I was just using some generic common sense. I was not entirely sure if I was right or not, but I was pretty sure of what I was saying.
[07:25] <andisjava> scan
[07:26] <ox3a> tiox, I was made a iso file after installed kde in ubuntu(and i also added my 1.5 gb compiled software)But i was took 2.5 gb and remastersys did not make it properly
[07:26] <tiox> Huh.
[07:26] <[thor]> is it possible to download all of the packages of an Ubuntu Software Center category ( Games, for example ) as .deb files using the CLI ?
[07:27] <tiox> You should just be able to, in the GNome environment anyway, open up burn:///, put the ISo in the burn dir and choose to write to disk.
[07:27] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, its hard to get remastersys to make a good size disk
[07:27] <Ormie> !eee
[07:27] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, remastersys makes a new live iso based on your installed desktop
[07:27] <tiox> Brasero should ne able to handle the rest.
[07:28] <tiox> be*
[07:28] <XiaolinDraconis> he's not being very clear what he actually wants
[07:28]  * KM0201 hates brasero
[07:28] <Voa> Hello Happy new year
[07:28] <Voa> test 1  2 3
[07:28] <Maahes> um, anyone know how to use the aptitude ncurses program? I'm trying to sort packages by their current state flag, but after reading the manual I still am not sure how to go about this (Yes I have to use the ncurses program, I lost X)
[07:28] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, Yeah i also wanting to make a installable iso from my installed system
[07:28] <Maahes> [thor]: yes with aptitude, its pretty easy
[07:28] <XiaolinDraconis> happy (almost) new year
[07:29] <shawnboy> nobody has experience with FreeNX?
[07:29] <KM0201> shawnboy: got experience w/ FreeNas... nothing w/ FreeNX though..lol
[07:29] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, But remastersys does not work properly perhaps if the size is big
[07:29] <cryptodira> hi folks, toshiba satellite, amd chipset 64 bit, triple core phenom, ubuntu 10.04 only.... problem: screen brightness keys work both up and down, but invoking them causes one of the cores to go to 100% requiring a reboot to fix.... anyone have a solution to the core maxing out?
[07:29] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, make a new partition and install a fresh copy
[07:29] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, and remastersys works just fine
[07:30] <Ormie> I have a problem about My EEE PC
[07:30] <m_> Happy New Year.. XiaolinDraconis :) Since i dont know how long i will be here online
[07:30] <tiox> XiaolinDraconis: Forget that, I want him to burn an ISO and try from CD first, so he doesn't end up breaking GRUB.
[07:30] <tiox> UNless, he already did, and I am too fracking tired.
[07:30] <XiaolinDraconis> gotta break sme eggs to make an omelet
[07:31] <Maahes> XiaolinDraconis: question, will remastersys make a new install capable of being installed as a live USB? I.e., compressed read only kernel, busybox, loading things up into ram instead on the disk.
[07:31] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, mkdir?
[07:31] <Ormie> Total Hard disk Capacity 4.0 GB Used: 2.6 GB FREE: 908 MB!!! And it reports low disk space
[07:31] <XiaolinDraconis> Maahes, if you can make a bootable iso off your livecd then yeah
[07:32] <Maahes> Ormie: That's low disk space, I can generate 130mb's in logs every few days
[07:32] <XiaolinDraconis> Maahes, i mean bootable usb from the livecd
[07:32] <Ormie> Maahes: How??
[07:32] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, what are you asking?
[07:32] <Maahes> Ormie: 20+IRC channels on all the time
[07:33] <tiox> Ormie: Try using another USB drive and symlink to it. I don't know the finer details, so ask help about symlinking another drive here.
[07:33] <tiox> It just means you'd need two USB ports every time you boot into Ubuntu.
[07:33] <tiox> Other than that...
[07:33] <Maahes> Also, if you don't watch it, a week or so of watching a lot of multimedia on your install will use up a lot of space
[07:33] <XiaolinDraconis> Ormie, google about moving home folder to new partition
[07:33] <sacarlson> Maahes: is it an eeepc?
[07:33] <tiox> Maune you can clone your current filesystem onto a larger one in the future.
[07:34] <tiox> I ran Ubuntu on an 8GB USB drive with no problem.
[07:34] <Maahes> and then you download a few pdf's, some source packages, and soon you have like 200mb's left
[07:34] <XiaolinDraconis> Maahes, delete the tmp every now n again
[07:34] <Maahes> sacarlson: no.
[07:35] <tiox> I have a funny question...
[07:35] <sacarlson> Maahes: I dought in your case but the eeepc had hiden partition so you could do full recover to factory spec
[07:35] <chris_openbsd> what do you think is faster on an intel atom cpu? 32 bit or 64 bit ubuntu?
[07:35] <tiox> The ubuntu webpage still supplies 10.10 up front, yet, I have11.04?
[07:35] <lc> #ubuntu-cn
[07:36] <XiaolinDraconis> tiox, i heard that was a mistake its not really 11.04
[07:36] <tiox> Shouldn't Canonical always keep the latest version on the front page?
[07:36] <XiaolinDraconis> tiox, just says it is
[07:36] <Maahes> XiaolinDraconis: it's not in /tmp/ and the program you want to use is logrotate
[07:36] <tiox> "You are using Ubuntu 11.04 - the Natty Narwhal - released in April 2011 and supported until October 2012."
[07:36] <tiox> rofl
[07:36] <ZykoticK9> tiox, you could have 11.04 installed, it's the current development release
[07:36] <Inf0del> i'm actually nervous about them dropping gnome
[07:36] <Inf0del> on the next release
[07:36] <voidmage> does maverick use xi2?
[07:37] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: no, for some reason, ubuntu 10.10 says that in about ubuntu
[07:37] <Ormie> XiaolinDraconis: I don't have money to buy an At Home External 80 GB Seagate SATA USB 2.0 External Hard disk :( I spend too much on 1 EEE Computer) And this is holidays  so i don't go to work and earn some money :(
[07:37] <tiox> They are?
[07:37] <tiox> Ubuntu shouldn't be dropping Gnome...
[07:37] <Inf0del> why not?
[07:37] <KM0201> tiox: that won't happenanytime soon
[07:37] <Maahes> Inf0del: eh? No they're not. just Ubiquity will be used by default and not Gnome Shell
[07:37] <ZykoticK9> Inf0del, there is a "use classic" as a login choice for the old gnome ;)
[07:37] <Ormie> For the Extra Space
[07:37] <Inf0del> yay!
[07:37] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, it already has
[07:37] <gobbe> tiox: that's bug
[07:37] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: what, dropping gnome?
[07:37] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, yup
[07:37] <ox3a> tiox, there is a package "kde-full". Will it do?
[07:38] <gobbe> tiox: some packets trigger documentation to change version to 11.04
[07:38] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: how do you figure?
[07:38] <tiox> Sure will.
[07:38] <Maahes> It's not dropped gnome
[07:38] <Maahes> It still uses all gnome services in the background
[07:38] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, they're switching Ubuntu-Desktop to use Unity
[07:38] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, yes that installs kde but after you download and install it make  a new user
[07:38] <Maahes> and many default gnome programs
[07:38] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: you mean that horrible looking netbook OS
[07:38] <Inf0del> <3 gnome
[07:38] <tiox> KM0201: Will Ubuntu Desktop Edition on my system still use Gnome?
[07:39] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, yup
[07:39] <Maahes> ZykoticK9: that's not "dropping gnome" that's not using 1 program that's in the gnome standard base, almost every gnome distro around does this.
[07:39] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: eh, i dont see that happening
[07:39] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, it already has - try 11.04
[07:39] <Maahes> KM0201: no he's right about Ubiquity being on by default in the next release.
[07:39] <Inf0del> believe it
[07:39] <XiaolinDraconis> i just read it will still have gnome-panel you just have to start the service yourself
[07:39] <wyclif> yo
[07:39] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: i'm sure it can be disabled.
[07:39] <tiox> Ack.
[07:39] <gobbe> KM0201: of course, it's linux
[07:39] <ZykoticK9> KM0201, there is a "classic" login option
[07:39] <gobbe> KM0201: you can do what ever you want
[07:40] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, You mean , I should make a new user after finishing install kde-full ?
[07:40] <Maahes> yes it can be disabled. You can run Gnome Shell too, if you like, or not run either (which is what I do)
[07:40] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, yes
[07:40] <tiox> God dammit... so they're going to change what loads as panel?
[07:40] <KM0201> ZykoticK9: i realy don't care, i use debian.. but i think that would bea bad move on ubuntus part.
[07:40] <tiox> If that is the case, then it's a simple gconf edit for me.
[07:40] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, use a new user to login to kde session
[07:40] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, I see
[07:41] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, if you dont it change all your default apps to kde stuff when you switch back
[07:41] <tiox> Hold on. I want people to explain this one to me.
[07:41] <tiox> When I upgrade Ubuntu, what's gonna happen?
[07:41] <nawk> Can someone please help me my problem with the Ubuntu USB Startup Disk?
[07:41] <Maahes> tiox: eh, ui stuff doesn't bother me as much, its that the internals of ubuntu keep changing pretty fast, makes it hard to remember how to do things (like for instance when there's no more xorg.conf, etc.
[07:41] <Inf0del> yur gonna get ubuntu's netbook interface
[07:41] <nawk> after making the startup disk (the ubuntu liveusb)
[07:41] <ZykoticK9> tiox, i doubt upgrades have been considered/tested much - but the default interface will be Unity
[07:41] <Maahes> nawk: state your problem
[07:42] <tiox> But everything else will still be Gnome, right?
[07:42] <XiaolinDraconis> tiox, you lose gnome panel and get that unity stuff and it doesnt have panel applets or anything good
[07:42] <ZykoticK9> tiox, ya
[07:42] <tiox> So it's a gconf edit.
[07:42] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, And if i use remastersys in new user then will the remastersys work fine(Very important making a my personal distro ubuntu base)
[07:42] <Franoculator> ok, got a problem.  Rebooted my PC, and everything in /home is as it was on October 27.  ext4 partition.
[07:42] <Maahes> Unity is just an interface, it has nothing to do specifically with the gnome-desktop specification
[07:42] <Franoculator> I have the data backed up, that's not a problem.
[07:42] <Franoculator> but what the hell happened to my disk?
[07:42] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, no because it will be too big
[07:42] <tiox> I certainly hope it's JUST that. But the update should make the interface change an option.
[07:42] <nawk> It fails to boot, it is stuck at the "SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian-2008-07-15 EBIOS..."
[07:43] <nawk> message
[07:43] <supaplex> how can I pin only kernel images/headers/etc from maverick on karmic?  I tried using -10 as the preference for a=maverick, but aptitude safe-upgrade shows it's going to try upgrading 400mb of packages. (not what I expect; no kernel* specifics in preferences yet)
[07:43] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, So?
[07:43] <Maahes> tiox: it does "use classic" also it's pretty easy to uninstall
[07:43] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, way?
[07:43] <tiox> Alright.
[07:43] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, you need to do that with a virtual machine or make a new partition and install a second ubuntu
[07:43] <nawk> Maahes, following that it's got a message saying "Unknown keyword in configuration file."
[07:43] <Maahes> supaplex: I recommend using synaptic's interace.
[07:43] <tiox> Because I have AWN set up how I want it.
[07:43] <nawk> "boot:"
[07:44] <nawk> that's all
[07:44] <Franoculator> dammit I'm freaking out here.
[07:44] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, Can explain what to do after making new partition?
[07:44] <XiaolinDraconis> tiox, u should keep AWN when u upgrade that should stay the same
[07:44] <Maahes> well it means one of your boot files is corrupted, did you just make this usb-install?
[07:45] <nawk> Maahes yes, I used usbcreator
[07:45] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, install a new ubuntu just like you did when u first installed it. only this time choose the empty partition
[07:45] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, i have 1.5 gb downloaded software to add(and need set these as default for every install time)
[07:45] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, you have to burn that to a bootable dvd
[07:45] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, Yeah I installed it today
[07:45] <Maahes> nawk: I can't comment on that, I use the pendrive linux creator. I recommend checking the md5 sum of your image to see if it matches the online md5 sum, and then reinstalling
[07:46] <supaplex> Maahes: and I can be that specific with synaptic? I want the majority of the system to remain with karmic for now, but this laptop has serious dain brammage if it's not running at least 2.6.35 and acpi=copy_dsdt cmdline for the kernel.
[07:46] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, thats why i am trying to remove all the package without kde
[07:46] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, i recommend you try VMware Player
[07:46] <nawk> Maahes: how do I check the md5 sum of the downloaded iso?
[07:47] <supaplex> nawk: md5sum spiffy.iso
[07:47] <Maahes> supaplex: you go and do a force version (it gives you a drop down menu), then once you've forced versions, after that, pin them all
[07:47] <Maahes> there's an md5 program installed in ubuntu by default isn't there?
[07:47] <chris_openbsd> nawk: md5 <file>
[07:47] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, it lets you boot up a fake hdd and install to that. all you need is to download the kde iso and use it with VMware Player
[07:48] <Maahes> nawk: you should have a program called md5sum on your computer, if not install it
[07:48] <dhanijeremy> has anyone here used Guitar Rig?
[07:48] <chris_openbsd> nawk: or openssl md5 <file>
[07:48] <Maahes> and all you do is run it from the command line ~%md5sum /path/to/image
[07:48] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, If i install kubuntu then it wont be hug size?
[07:48] <XiaolinDraconis> Maahes, i use a script pack i got off gnome-look.org it lets you right click and create or compare md5's
[07:49] <nawk> chris_openbsd, it appears md5sum is from the 'coreutils' package
[07:49] <Maahes> XiaolinDraconis: if you can link him to that, that would work too.
[07:49] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, google about installing kde in VMware player
[07:49] <chris_openbsd> nawk: you should have the openssl command
[07:50] <Maahes> I thought coreutils was installed by default? eh.
[07:50] <chris_openbsd> nawk: openssl md5 test.iso
[07:50] <Franoculator> anybody have any advice?  Did I just get screwed by ext4?
[07:50] <ox3a> XiaolinDraconis, But i don't have the vmware software/os
[07:52] <XiaolinDraconis> ox3a, then get it its very useful for trying new OS and testing software
[07:52] <XiaolinDraconis> nawk, i think this is the script pack i am referring to  http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nautilus+Scripts+Pack?content=90330
[07:57] <nawk> Maahes, chris_openbsd the md5sum generated matches the one published on online
[07:57] <chris_openbsd> nawk: gratulations
[07:57] <chris_openbsd> did you use openssl?
[07:57] <k_> Good Morning
[07:58] <chris_openbsd> good morning
[07:58] <mitzed> goo morning
[07:58] <k_> Happy new Year :p
[07:58] <Doinkle> +1
[07:59] <mitzed>  not alredy K_
[07:59] <nawk> chris_openbsd, yes.  As Maahes mentioned, one of the boot files is probably corrupted. But the thing is I've tried to create a Ubuntu LiveUSB using many different tools including usb-creator.  I guess my last try would be pendrive linux
[07:59] <k_> I am Brzilian not speak english very good
[08:01] <dhanijeremy> i need help please...
[08:01] <Maahes> nawk: I've heard that people having trouble with the ubuntu methods frankly most often have better luck with pendrive-linux's installer
[08:01] <mitzed> what you need dhanijeremy
[08:01] <Maahes> k_: Welcome, though if you prefer there is an ubuntu in spanish, and one in portuguese as well
[08:01] <jimblah> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl  star wars in a terminal in ascii
[08:01] <dhanijeremy> mitzed: i'm trying to run IMVU on ubuntu..
[08:01] <nawk> Maahes is it in the repo?
[08:01] <dexikiix> can someone tell me how to stop these popups in the top right from coming up with every IM?
[08:01] <Maahes> nawk: no, its a windows program
[08:02] <Maahes> dexikiix: aptitude uninstall notify-osd
[08:02] <mitzed> what is imvu
[08:02] <k_> maahes: thank you :)
[08:02] <Maahes> !es
[08:03] <rww> !pt
[08:03] <dexikiix> Maahes: i don't want it gone completely, just not EVERY TIME i get an IM
[08:03] <dhanijeremy> mitzed: I installed it via Playonlinux and managed to run the program but it froze after a while.. how do i fix this?
[08:03] <dexikiix> Maahes: maybe only on new windows or something? im on pidgin btw
[08:03] <nawk> Maahes you don't mean the Universal USB Installer program do you?:
[08:03] <Maahes> dexikiix: then reinstall notification after you remove it, and libnotify, notifcation daemon is customizeable, notify-osd is not
[08:03] <Maahes> nawk: Yes.
[08:03] <dexikiix> Maahes: thanks
[08:05] <k_> Obrigado ubottu :)
[08:05] <dexikiix> Maahes: "unknown command uninstall"?
[08:05] <nawk> Maahes: that is the worst one I've come across.  You know that there is a checkbox which you could select to format the drive?  It doesn't format the drive even after i've checked/selected it.
[08:05] <nawk> its so weird
[08:05] <Inf0del> -remove
[08:05] <mitzed> pls wait  a moment dhanijeremy
[08:05] <Inf0del> not uninstall
[08:05] <dhanijeremy> mitzed: okay
[08:06] <dexikiix> thanks Inf0del
[08:08] <Inf0del> *tips hat*
[08:08] <dexikiix> Inf0del: do you happen to know how to customize this notification?
[08:09] <Maahes> dexikiix: oh command is remove, I was meaning "uninstall it with synaptic (which is an aptitude front end)
[08:10] <glick> hi is there an off topic japanese  ubuntu chanel?
[08:11] <dexikiix> Maahes: thats okay, how do i customize this new one?
[08:11] <mitzed> dhanijeremy  u installed it from  ubuntu softwre center?
[08:12] <voidmage> how do i know if ubuntu is using xinput2?
[08:12] <Maahes> dexikiix: for that I have to tell you to either read the man page or do some google searching (I think there's a gtk app that allows you to customize notifications) cause I dunno
[08:12] <Inf0del> may i paste links in the main?
[08:12] <KM0201> Inf0del: so long as they are relevant
[08:12] <Maahes> Inf0del: so long as they're not offensive, and you're not advertising
[08:12] <glick> is there a ubuntu offtopic japanese channel?
[08:12] <Inf0del> dexikiix, https://launchpad.net/indicator-applet
[08:12] <KM0201> glick i don't think so
[08:12] <Inf0del> that might help you
[08:13] <Maahes> Indicator applet doesn't do what he wants to do
[08:13] <Maahes> the thing he's having an issue with is notify-osd
[08:13] <Inf0del> oh
[08:13] <Inf0del> my bad
[08:13] <Inf0del> misunderstood
[08:14] <Maahes> ubuntu insisting on notify osd shows you can produce a mountain of garbage data and drive it behind a bad idea.
[08:14] <nawk> Maahes, normally when you use Universal USB Installer, do you check the "We will format X:\Drive as Fat32" option?
[08:15] <Maahes> nawk: I run via pendrive linux, I've tried formatting in things other than FAT32, and have not had much success.
[08:15] <Maahes> pendrive does FAT32 only.
[08:15] <Inf0del> dexikiix, https://launchpad.net/notify-osd
[08:15] <Inf0del> :)
[08:16] <dhanijeremy> mitzed: no, actually it's for windows and i ran it through wine
[08:16] <nawk> pendrive linux is not a program is it?
[08:16] <dexikiix> Inf0del: i just removed notify-osd lmao
[08:17] <Inf0del> hehe
[08:17] <Inf0del> it pests me too
[08:17] <Inf0del> :o
[08:17] <wers> Is fat 32 the best type for a shared partition between OS X and Ubuntu?
[08:17] <mitzed> which is the program dhanijeremy
[08:18] <mitzed> u're trying run
[08:19] <ZeiP> How can I backup Gmail messages via IMAP on Ubuntu? Getmail and Fetchmail work otherwise, but I haven't found a way to tell them not to mark all the messages read.
[08:19] <dhanijeremy> mitzed: imvu client, i managed to run it but it froze after a random time.
[08:19] <Inf0del> google gadgets might do it for you
[08:22] <mitzed> you're  running the newest version of wine?
[08:22] <dhanijeremy> yes
[08:22] <sgo11> Hi, new to ubuntu. How to configure fonts preference list? what is the default preference list? how to make CJK fonts display correctly in terminal and browser? thanks. With default installation, CJK fonts in terminal and browser look very ugly. thanks.
[08:23] <dhanijeremy> maybe due to the config but i'm not sure
[08:23] <nawk> it finally works now
[08:24] <muzikguy> hi
[08:24] <Gryllida> sgo11 : system -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts ?
[08:24] <Gryllida> muzikguy: Hey.
[08:24] <Inf0del> sgo11, ..open terminal,edit profile preferences...unclick default font and pick one
[08:25] <sgo11> Gryllida, sorry, I think that is not the answer. It will set one font in one category. I would like to setup fonts preference list. eg: english fonts use...., if not english fonts, use CJK fonts etc...
[08:25] <spectrahp> Hello. This error "Unable to lock the administration directory": does this mean I can only install 1 thing at a time in ubuntu???
[08:25] <KM0201> spectrahp: yup
[08:25] <Inf0del> indeed
[08:26] <pooky> I'm trying to get a better understanding of zend_db_table_abstract, I created a model.php which has all my tables and definitions, and I've placed it in a folder called models in my application directory, how do I make it accessible to other controllers?
[08:26] <spectrahp> KM0201: isn't that slightly unacceptable?
[08:26] <KM0201> spectrahp: or can't instal while doing updates, etc.
[08:26] <sgo11> Inf0del, sorry, I can not follow you... not sure what to do.
[08:26] <Asad2005> exit
[08:26] <KM0201> spectrahp: actually, i think it makes a lot of sense....
[08:26] <spectrahp> KM0201: I don't understand. To me it is only an inconvenience
[08:26] <Inf0del> pooky..set yur file permissions?
[08:26] <KM0201> spectrahp: you can install multiple apps at once, but you can only have 1 process running root at a time.
[08:27] <spectrahp> KM0201: What is the advantage/reason for only having 1 process running root at a time
[08:27] <pooky> Inf0del: huh? I can manually include it in my bootstrap, but that doesn't "feel right", could you maybe suggest the appropriate way to load it? Or is that OK?
[08:27] <jimblah> I already don't like unity, look for gubuntu
[08:27] <pooky> oh crap
[08:27] <KM0201> spectrahp: so if you run sudo apt-get install wine pidgin banshee gnomebaker etc.. all those programs will install... but if you try to install all those, then open another terminal, and install more stuff.. no joy, gotta wait for it to finish.
[08:27] <pooky> haha, I'm in the wrong channel! so sorry.
[08:28] <Inf0del> heh
[08:28] <KM0201> spectrahp: i can't really tell you what the advantage/disadvantage is... but to me, it makes sense
[08:28] <rtoo> hello. I
[08:28] <spectrahp> KM0201: Ok, thanks. I understand why it happens (technically) but no good reason I can see.
[08:29] <KM0201> spectrahp: well to my knowledge, every distro does it... so i'm sure there's a good reason
[08:30] <rtoo> I installed Ubuntu vie installer for windows to root.disk file but it failed to add the ubuntu entry into grub. ther is only the windows entry which is the ntldr again
[08:30] <rtoo> what should it look like? I have no idea
[08:31] <rtoo> \m
[08:32] <mitzed> rtoo like this  _._....................
[08:33] <zgr> hi all, i want to get network over firewire between my gentoo pc and ubuntu laptop
[08:33] <rtoo> huh? what is that root.disk file method called so I can google it
[08:34] <zgr> both have firewire0 interface running gentoo has <IP_ADDRESS> ip and ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> but i can't ping them host unreachable
[08:38] <Inf0del> zgr, are they on the same subnet?
[08:38] <zgr> also i have errors/dropped RX packets on ubuntu laptop
[08:38] <zgr> Inf0del: yes
[08:39] <Inf0del> no firewalls
[08:39] <Inf0del> faulty switch
[08:39] <zgr> Inf0del: this means port isn't working?
[08:40] <Inf0del> could be
[08:40] <zgr> any way to check?
[08:40] <Inf0del> test on another prt
[08:40] <Inf0del> +o
[08:41] <zgr> I have only one 4pin firewire port on laptop :(
[08:41] <gobbe> switch to ethernet ;)
[08:42] <zgr> :D i'll but I have no cable for the moment
[08:42] <gobbe> hmmh..cable costs about nothing
[08:42] <gobbe> :D
[08:43] <gobbe> you are using more money by wasting your time trying to conf firewire-ethernet
[08:43] <Inf0del> agreed
[08:43] <zgr> ok thank you for help :)
[08:43] <mgolisch> whats the advantage of that?
[08:44] <mgolisch> every comp nowadays has gbit ethernet
[08:47] <supaplex> fglrx on 2.6.35 is not playing nice tonight. make.log at https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B9C_aaCX9CyJNzEzZWM3YmMtNzBkYi00NGNmLWEyYTItNDhhNjUyOGI3MzZm&hl=en   any suggestions welcome. apt-file says 2.6.35-22-generic has no linux/autoconf.h
[08:49] <gremmachook> I have a problem with my ubuntu, specifically Compiz, the windows take some time to appear once they are minimized, I have the latest fglrx installed. My graphics card is ATI Radeon HD Mobility 3400 series
[08:49] <gremmachook> It takes about 3 seconds or so.
[08:49] <p3rror> hello i got this error message
[08:49] <p3rror> (parse_card) cannot find card '0'
[08:49] <p3rror> when i run aplay -l
[08:50] <p3rror> i see: card 2: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[08:50] <Dwade09> can someone help me with this error? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=62932&p=361839#p361839
[08:50] <p3rror> please can you tell why the card is not indexed as default
[08:51] <Krishnandu> Hi, I can't run aplay and arecord as non-root user, it says permission denied, i can only run these commands as root, what to do??
[08:52] <cryogenfx> geetings. can anyone tell me why i need to enter the keyring password 3-5 times consecutively upon every login? (10.10)
[08:52] <gremmachook> any ideas?
[08:52] <supaplex> humm nm. fglrx > fglrx-kernel-source. is this normal? (maverick is pinned at priority 99) open: 7765; closed: 4992; defer: 0; conflict: 67
[08:53] <nawk> chris_openbsd, Maahes it appears I cannot copy/move/remove any files under the filesystem after I'm in the LiveUSB environment
[08:53] <supaplex> p3rror: what does it show? (pastebin it with context)
[08:54] <p3rror> supaplex, http://pastebin.com/HuX98ULB
[08:55] <alfred> Hi guys, how to switch back to gnome and remove the KDE?
[08:55] <alfred> I tried sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop  but didn t help
[08:55] <llutz> !puregnome > alfred
[08:55] <p3rror> supaplex, http://pastebin.com/jvvVAeTQ
[08:56] <alfred> thank you I will try it
[08:59] <supaplex> p3rror: strace aplay -l gives me a clue, that it's related to /dev/snd/  I have /dev/snd/controlC0
[08:59] <pavankumarl> how to create live usb with persistent storage
[09:00] <brianmunk> I have wondered if I download a source myself thats allready in the repository but in an older version, is there anyway to find out with what flags it was compiled, so when I compile my downloaded source it will match the ubuntu distobution as best as possible?
[09:01] <nawk> what is a good cpu temperature monitoring tool?
[09:01] <Inf0del> bios
[09:01] <Inf0del> :P
[09:01] <dirghrabadia_> lol
[09:02] <supaplex> tounge
[09:02] <alfred> I need again the link where to remove kubuntu and back to Gnome
[09:02] <pksadiq> !info usb-creator-gtk | pavankumarl
[09:02] <alfred> ubottu, I need the link again, how to delete KDE and back to GNOME
[09:03] <pksadiq> alfred: have you installed KDE in Gnome?
[09:03] <pavankumarl> pksadiq: it dosen't recognise iso images other than ubuntu.iso
[09:03] <alfred> pksadiq, yes
[09:03] <nawk> pavankumarl, I spent the last 3 hours getting in creating a live usb.  I've had a lot of problems with usb-creator
[09:03] <pksadiq> pavankumarl: use unetbootin
[09:03] <nit-wit> alfred, playing around left column http://pastebin.com/HuX98ULB
[09:03] <alfred> I had ubuntu, now I want back
[09:03] <nawk> pavankumarl, try Universal USB Installer
[09:04] <p3rror> supaplex, any idea
[09:04] <pksadiq> alfred: and so at the login you will have the choise to select wither KDE or Gnome or what ever installed
[09:04] <pavankumarl> pksadiq: unibootin doesn't have persistent memory creation option, does it?
[09:04] <nit-wit> alfred, here sorry http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[09:04] <alfred> pksadiq, I want to delete for ever any trace of kde
[09:05] <alfred> or is there a way how to back my system to 24 hours ago ?
[09:05] <pksadiq> pavankumarl: pavankumarl I havent yet used unetbootin in ubuntu, but I think each distro like puppy has their own installer to make it persistant
[09:06] <pksadiq> !find | kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <pksadiq> !find kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <WhatWhereAmI> Startup Disk Creator does persistent storage, doesn't it?
[09:06] <pksadiq> alfred: i think sudo dpkg -r kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <nit-wit> pksadiq, look at the link I gave alfred
[09:06] <glitchd> has anyone ever removed the wrong kernel and basically broke their system?
[09:06] <alfred> nit-wit, I looked there but too long
[09:06] <pavankumarl> pksadiq: I installed it before coming to irc, it don't have persistent storage creation option
[09:07] <bastidrazor> WhatWhereAmI: yes, in the past i've had to run it with gksudo to get the option for persistant
[09:07] <pksadiq> nit-wit: k, didn't noticed, sorry
[09:07] <pksadiq> pavankumarl: this is ubuntu support channel, any way which is the distro?
[09:07] <nit-wit> alfred, that is what you will have to do if you want to remove kde or any desktop
[09:07] <WhatWhereAmI> bastidrazor, weird.
[09:08] <glitchd> if anyone is listening, i found fix for the problem of "removed the wrong kernel and now cant boot"
[09:08] <pavankumarl> pksadiq: fedora, want to create for my friend as he is not well aware of these things
[09:08] <nit-wit> alfred, pretty painless as well try looking at the history in synaptic and then marking each package to remove
[09:08] <glitchd> Boot from CD
[09:08] <glitchd> BACKUP ALL PERSONAL DATA
[09:08] <glitchd> Start a terminal, and change to root user.
[09:08] <glitchd> sudo su < enter>
[09:08] <glitchd> Let's mount root partition,
[09:08] <FloodBot2> glitchd: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:08] <glitchd> mkdir /mnt/temp < enter>
[09:09] <alfred> nit-wit, thank you I will try
[09:09] <nawk> pavankumarl, When I tried to create a "Startup Disk" using usb-creator, much of the boot files are corrupted (or at least its not booting)
[09:09] <nawk> pavankumarl, try Universal USB Installer
[09:10] <pavankumarl> ok, I'll try now and will get back to u, thanks
[09:10] <alfred> nit-wit in Synaptic, do I search for all KDE related and delete them all ?
[09:10] <mgolisch> its usualy that syslinux was not setup properly or the generated config file is wrong
[09:10] <mgolisch> i allways had to hand edit that stuff to get it working
[09:11] <mgolisch> with both that usb-creator thing and unetbootin
[09:11] <greenIT> hi, does anyone know how i can use gfire with empathy?
[09:11] <alfred> pksadiq, I am going to delete the KDE from synaptic
[09:11] <alfred> do I delete what ever including "kde" letters ?
[09:11] <glitchd> does anyone want to know how to fix removing the wrong kernel and breaking you system??
[09:12] <WhatWhereAmI> glitchd, you can't just chose a different kernel from grub?
[09:12] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: Thought you just found the solution....
[09:12]  * supaplex cheers on fglrx (2:8.780-0ubuntu2)
[09:12] <glitchd> WhatWhereAmI, not always
[09:12] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, i did find the solution
[09:12] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, and no, its not reinstalling either
[09:13] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: Oh ! How about some more details /
[09:13] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: background info ?
[09:13] <glitchd> i posted it in here nd got flagged a minute ago
[09:13] <wers> need grub help. I'm adding the "nomodeset" boot parameter. after appending the text, how do I proceed to booting with the new parameter/
[09:13] <pksadiq> alfred: but you must not be using kde when uninstalling it
[09:14] <alfred> pksadiq, I am not Gnome
[09:14] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: Use pastebin !
[09:14] <glitchd> kk
[09:14] <pksadiq> wers I think CTRL +X
[09:14] <alfred> but I do not want my system offers me the option of KDE, I want it to login automatically as Gnome
[09:14] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, http://pastie.org/1419276
[09:14] <wers> pksadiq, thanks. will try
[09:14] <Diverdude> Hello. Is it possible to include tif figures in latex? When i try it i get the error: Cannot determine size of graphic in media/fig6.tif (no BoundingBox)
[09:15] <alfred> pksadiq,  I installed the V3.3 of OpenOffice, but now it is back to 3.2 after the KDE problem
[09:15] <greenIT> how can i use gfire with empathy?
[09:15] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: That's your solution to the prob, ryt ?
[09:16] <pksadiq> alfred: back to 3.2 :O , I don't think it's because of KDE
[09:16] <glitchd> thats what i found detailing my exact problem the other day, says its the fix
[09:16] <spectrahp> apt
[09:16] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, thats what i found detailing my exact problem the other day, says its the fix
[09:16] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, although, i found it a couple of days to late, i already reinstalled so i cant try it out
[09:17] <alfred> pksadiq, I see openoffice.org 3.3 in my synaptic but it doesn't offer me the choice to install it, only to coplete remove
[09:17] <alfred> pksadiq, do you know how can I activate that ?
[09:17] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: Umm... Yes, but can you post your problem in detail ?
[09:17] <pksadiq> alfred: try to update your list
[09:18] <alfred> pksadiq,  how to update ? by reload ?
[09:18] <MadRobot> Hi all.
[09:19] <pksadiq> alfred: yes
[09:19] <alfred> pksadiq,  still the same situation
[09:19] <Krishnandu> Hi, I can't run aplay and arecord as non-root user, it says permission denied, i can only run these commands as root, what to do??
[09:20] <pksadiq> alfred: might be sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:21] <alfred> pksadiq,  it is set to gnome in the x server
[09:22] <pksadiq> alfred: did you try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm        ?
[09:22] <alfred> pksadiq,  Yes, and it is already set up to gnome over kde
[09:23] <alfred> I just re confirmed it
[09:23] <alfred> pksadiq,  anyway, now I am downloading again this OOO 3.3
[09:23] <alfred> pksadiq,  I will re install it manually
[09:26] <glitchd> so i lost the keyboard shortcuts to go back, forward and up in nautilus, and in webbrowsers. anyone know how to fix this?
[09:26] <kryl> hi
[09:26] <glitchd> i already looked in keyboard shortcuts and found nothing
[09:26] <kryl> my system is always overloaded, is there a possibility that my computer is infected ? (others peoples can use it sometime)
[09:26] <dennda> How do I mount my HFS+ partition so that my user account (without elevated privileges) has access to folders that're protected by the HFS+ settings? e.g. /Users/dennda/Music (owner is '501' and group 'dialout'...? in osx that's dennda:staff I think)
[09:26] <kryl> I check for normal processus and everything is ok with ps ...
[09:27] <cptblood> cant it be chmod'ed?
[09:27] <Inf0del> open nautilus in terminal
[09:27] <Inf0del> go to view...
[09:27] <Inf0del> add the toolbar
[09:27] <gobbe> dennda: you need to have same ID's in your server also
[09:27] <gobbe> dennda: then you can use it like you wanted
[09:28] <gobbe> dennda: so you either change ID's in OSX or in Ubuntu
[09:30] <dennda> gobbe: 'server'? This is a macbook where I installed ubuntu alongside OSX
[09:31] <dennda> gobbe: I'm not sure why it's showing this weird owner/group, and i'm not sure if it's wise to change that
[09:31] <dennda> gobbe: at least it's mounted like this already: /dev/sda2 on /media/Macintosh HD type hfsplus (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[09:31] <gobbe> dennda: well, it's because ID's don't match between OSX and Ubuntu
[09:31] <glitchd> anyone know how to reactivat the nautilus keyboard shortcuts along with the Internet navigation keyboard shortcuts?
[09:32] <trojanking> hello all, i need help to install FLOCK browser filetype is tar.bz2
[09:32] <mitzed> trojanking
[09:32] <cptblood> trojanking: http://www.brunolinux.com/03-Installing_Software/Tar_Unpacking_Packages.html
[09:33] <dennda> gobbe: yeah my user id in ubuntu is 1000 and in osx apparently it is 501... now i *could* set permissions in osx so that the 'dialout' group ('staff' on osx) has access as desired, but then everybody on osx can read those files
[09:33] <gobbe> dennda: you need to change uid and gid
[09:33] <gobbe> dennda: if you want it work just out of the box
[09:33] <dennda> gobbe: i think uid should be enough since the user has the highest privileges anyway
[09:34] <gobbe> dennda: well if you just have one user
[09:34] <gobbe> dennda: then uid is enough
[09:34] <dennda> gobbe: the thing is that i'm not sure if there are any services on osx or ubuntu that rely on those specific ids
[09:34] <gobbe> dennda: what was the user id in osx?
[09:34] <mitzed> bye
[09:34] <dennda> gobbe: 501
[09:35] <dennda> gobbe: as reported by nautilus
[09:35] <gobbe> dennda: there's no user with id 501 in ubuntu by default
[09:35] <gobbe> dennda: so you could just change your ubuntu-users id to 501
[09:35] <FrozenKnight> Gaah, I did a booboo. If I for example chose to open a shell script file with gedit, but want to return to the old way of handling them (Run in Terminal, Display, Run) what do I need to do?
[09:35] <gobbe> dennda: system->administration->users and groups or editing /etc/passwd by hand
[09:36] <Nexxus> im trying to download a torrent on transmission but when it starts to download it crashes how do i fix this?
[09:36] <dennda> gobbe: i thought you do that with usermod -u?
[09:36] <dennda> gobbe: you can't change the user id of a user that's logged in via the gnome tools ;)
[09:36] <gobbe> dennda: well usermod is ok for that
[09:36] <FrozenKnight> Nexxus: do you really want to use transmission?
[09:36] <gobbe> dennda: well, i don't know what users id you are changing so that's why i gave options ;)
[09:36] <gobbe> dennda: usermod is quite safe for that
[09:36] <Nexxus> FrozenKnight: not really what is a better client
[09:37] <FrozenKnight> Nexxus: you could use uTorrent :) I like it better don't know why :)
[09:37] <trojanking> cptblood, thanks i have done it but it didn't show up on the application menu i cant find the software i installed
[09:37] <trojanking> flock-2.6.1.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[09:37] <dennda> gobbe: but in essence usermod just changes /etc/passwd?
[09:37] <dennda> and does *nothing* else?
[09:37] <gobbe> dennda: well, depends what do you do with it :)
[09:37] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: Your keyboard shortcuts stopped working or never worked ?
[09:37] <ckrailo> Nexxus, i like deluge since it runs on linux, mac, win...
[09:37] <dennda> gobbe: if I do something like usermod -u 123 user; obviously :P
[09:37] <Nexxus> FrozenKnight: alright ill give that a go what ports should be open for torrenting
[09:37] <FrozenKnight> Nexxus: It's lightweight, it's under 100kb, it is available only for windows, but with wine it works perfect for me.
[09:38] <FrozenKnight> Nexxus: you should have at least one that you assign to the client program.
[09:38] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, they stopped working, when i installed like yesterday, they worked in nautilus and the browser, now they work in neither
[09:38] <FrozenKnight> utorrent for example can choose a random port or have one set.
[09:38] <gobbe> dennda: just safe thing do to
[09:38] <gobbe> dennda: that's is safe thing to do
[09:38] <gobbe> dennda: don't know what i'm writing :-D
[09:39] <trojanking> hello all plz i installed a file $ tar -jxvf flock-2.6.1.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[09:39] <trojanking>  cant find it in my application menu any help pls?
[09:39] <pksadiq> !torrent | Nexxus
[09:39] <FrozenKnight> I've got a question. How do I get back to the "Run in Terminal, Display, Run" dialog in case I chose another program by mistake for *.sh files.
[09:39] <dennda> ok i think i just found a use case for having a root account. how the heck am I supposed to change a user's settings if you need to be logged in (as root) to do that, when the only account on the system is that particular user and you can't edit his settings cause he's logged in
[09:39] <Freaks> Hi. Without trolling, I'd like to know the best Linux softwares for daily use.
[09:40] <FrozenKnight> Whoah... so many options.
[09:40] <Nexxus> damn lol
[09:40] <dennda> i mean i could reboot into a root shell, but i am not sure at all if that has proper access to all the functions i need then
[09:40] <SoMeNaMe> glitchd: You reinstalled ?
[09:40] <gobbe> trojanking: tar doesn't install anything
[09:40] <gobbe> trojanking: tar just extracts files from archive
[09:40] <trojanking> hmm so what do i do gobbe
[09:41] <glitchd> SoMeNaMe, oh man, i have reinstalled like 3 times in the last week out of my own ignorance and messing up my install
[09:41] <DarKZi0N> :)
[09:41] <dennda> ok let me try this
[09:41] <jbatista> hi i have two questions
[09:41] <jbatista> first one has to do with gnome-about-me
[09:41] <Nexxus> FrozenKnight: thanks
[09:41] <Freaks> music, videos, internet, P2P, burning, science, maths...
[09:41] <jbatista> is there a way to change the user's full name?
[09:41] <gobbe> trojanking: after tar you should have directory with files and there should be installation instructions
[09:41] <gobbe> trojanking: or binary installation executable or something
[09:41] <jbatista> (other than manually editing /etc/passwd ?)
[09:42] <gobbe> jbatista: users and groups
[09:42] <gobbe> jbatista: from system->administration
[09:42] <gobbe> and about me
[09:42] <gobbe> sorry
[09:42] <gobbe> about me doesn't give option to change name
[09:42] <jbatista> gobbe: yep that's right :)
[09:42] <trojanking> gobbe, i saw readme file but no instruction in there
[09:42] <jbatista> gobbe: that's why i'm asking ;)
[09:43] <jbatista> gobbe: bug?
[09:43] <FrozenKnight> So, any way to rollback the "always open with this" option for a filetype?
[09:43] <WhatWhereAmI> what's a good way to generate white noise in ubuntu?
[09:43] <trojanking> gobbe, the instruction is saying i should go to Flock website
[09:43] <WhatWhereAmI> FrozenFire, right-click on the file, go Properties, Open With tab.
[09:43] <expahmet> hello
[09:43] <jbatista> WhatWhereAmI: maybe audacity? i think it has a White Noise plugin or menu option
[09:44] <expahmet> plssssssssssssss helppppppppppppppppp
[09:44] <gobbe> trojanking: so what did your tar archive contain then?
[09:44] <FrozenKnight> WhatWhereAmI: MilkyTracker also has this :)
[09:44] <jbatista> WhatWhereAmI: I don't know of any way to do it in the command line (scripting) though, if that's what you're looking for
[09:44] <pksadiq> jbatista: try  chfn    in terminal
[09:45] <trojanking> gobbe, list of files? should i upload screenshot or how do i tell u plz
[09:45] <FrozenKnight> How do I reach the filetype options in ubuntu?
[09:45] <WhatWhereAmI> jbatista, I did, you could cat a data file directly into the audio device, but I don't know how to do that with PulseAudio now and everything
[09:45] <gobbe> trojanking: where did you get this tar-package?
[09:45] <jbatista> pksadiq: yes, it works (as long as I don't use non-ASCII characters)
[09:45] <dennda> gobbe: ok i did it via a root shell (great user experience, by the way) and it seems to be working so far... not sure if there are any long-term side-effects
[09:45] <Doinkle> FrozenKnight, you mean associations?
[09:45] <trojanking> from flock.com
[09:45] <FrozenKnight> Doinkle: yes
[09:45] <pksadiq> trojanking: is there a file named configure ?
[09:46] <dennda> gobbe: first thing i noticed is that gdm seems to store default user to log in by ID, cause i had to manually enter my username... :)
[09:46] <FrozenKnight> Doinkle: I have accidently assigned sh with gedit
[09:46] <FrozenKnight> I want the old dialog back
[09:46] <Doinkle> FrozenKnight, i only know how to change that stuff with ubuntu tweaj
[09:46] <gobbe> dennda: oh really, quite interesting
[09:46] <Doinkle> tweak
[09:46] <jbatista> WhatWhereAmI: I remember something like cat /dev/random >/dev/dsp  but it would keep looping (you'd have to do Ctrl+C at some point)
[09:46] <zgr> I have trouble with my hp dv6500 series laptop, after i clicked disable touch pad button above it,  it isn’t working now
[09:46] <WhatWhereAmI> FrozenKnight, right-click on the file, go Properties, Open With tab.
[09:46] <gobbe> dennda: i haven't noticed that because i use always option that user needs to type username
[09:46] <Doinkle> if u dont have that app, install it and you will see the area
[09:47] <Doinkle> WhatWhereAmI is right tho
[09:47] <WhatWhereAmI> jbatista, yeah, i want to do some sensory deprivation
[09:47] <dennda> gobbe: yeah i didn't change this, it's the default nowadays apparently
[09:47] <gobbe> dennda: yes, feature that i hate :)
[09:47] <WhatWhereAmI> jbatista, /dev/dsp doesn't exist with pulseaudio installed and junk
[09:47] <gobbe> dennda: i'm used to method where user needs to know his userid :D
[09:47] <zgr> but touchpad works in gdm, when gnomes loads cursor hangs and i can use only usb mouse
[09:48] <dennda> anyway; anybody aware how good HFS+ support in ubuntu is? can i safely store/read my data from/to an HFS+ partition in ubuntu (e.g. i don't want to maintain two 'Downloads' folders)?
[09:48] <trojanking> pksadiq, gobbe, i have folders like chrome,components etc and files
[09:48] <AnxiousNut> I have a problem! Whenever i try updating my lucid machine it gives a 404 Not found error when trying to fetch ppa.launchpad.net lucid/main packages! It's been almost a week and nothing has been resolved! any ideas?
[09:48] <pksadiq> trojanking: is there any folder like lib  , usr, etc?
[09:49] <FrozenKnight> WhatWhereAmI: yeah, I've reached that, tried to reset the option and it opens with "Text Editor" of course this would be OK, but earlier it used some sort of dialog, with Run in Terminal, Display, Run options.
[09:49] <FrozenKnight> Also deleting all options doesn't work :/
[09:49] <pksadiq> trojanking: I believe that there will be a file named README or atleast configure
[09:49] <SmartConstructor> how to get DVD drives detected in Maverick meerkat
[09:49] <trojanking> pksadiq here is the url to view http://paste.ubuntu.com/549024/
[09:49] <dennda> is there a graphical user interface to set up auto-mounting for a partition?
[09:49] <SmartConstructor> can any one help on this?
[09:49] <WhatWhereAmI> FrozenKnight, oh yeah, whenever you double-click on a script it should ask you if you wanna open it in an editor or run it
[09:49] <jbatista> pksadiq , gobbe : I've seen CentOS's gnome-about-me allowing the change of username,
[09:50] <jbatista> pksaqid , gobbe : but I'm not sure if that's a CentOS "feature" or a Ubuntu "bug"
[09:50] <FrozenKnight> WhatWhereAmI: Nevermind I understood why :D
[09:50] <SmartConstructor> i have mount manager installed
[09:50] <gobbe> jbatista: i think it's feature there
[09:50] <FrozenKnight> WhatWhereAmI: it works normally, I just hadn't inserted the header for that specific file :D
[09:50] <jbatista> gobbe : OK
[09:50] <pksadiq> jbatista: I hope  this would be fixed soon, if it's a bug, check in launchpad if reported
[09:50] <pksadiq> !tab | jbatista
[09:50] <WhatWhereAmI> FrozenKnight, ah, so it probably didn't recognize it as a script or something
[09:51] <FrozenKnight> yeah :D
[09:51] <ghostlines> hi all I'm having a problem with wordpress on ubuntu 10.10 for some reason my theme only shows up when I use my internal lan IP address. If i use my external IP or domain name the theme never works. Any idea's how I could solve this?
[09:51] <trojanking> pksadiq, this is what is in readme file http://paste.ubuntu.com/549025/
[09:51] <jbatista> pksadiq : btw I'm on Lucid, not sure if Maverick or Natty have fixed that
[09:51] <gobbe> trojanking: there's no way to install it to application menu, you need to run it from the directory
[09:51] <gobbe> trojanking: there's run-mozilla.sh
[09:51] <gobbe> trojanking: so just run it from terminal
[09:52] <gobbe> trojanking: or add entry to application menu by hand
[09:52] <FrozenKnight> WhatWhereAmI: it also has to have the execut bit set.
[09:52] <FrozenKnight> execute
[09:52] <trojanking> gobbe so what do i do now
[09:52] <WhatWhereAmI> FrozenKnight, oh yeah, of course
[09:52] <gobbe> trojanking: there's flock/run-mozilla.sh, run that
[09:52] <jbatista> another problem: it seems that apport is broken
[09:53] <jbatista> and I don't know where to look at
[09:53] <gobbe> trojanking: i have no idea how flock should work, you should ask it from vendor
[09:53] <trojanking> gobbe i started using ubuntu 2days ago i am d biggest fool when it comes to ubuntu :D
[09:53] <pksadiq> trojanking: whY?
[09:53] <jbatista> apport-bug on the console prints:
[09:53] <jbatista> Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress? Error: No module named restfulclient.errors
[09:53] <sacarlson> ghostlines: i"m going to guess it's eather a dns problem or appache2 config thing
[09:53] <trojanking> gobbe no problem which browser apart from flock can i use to brows
[09:54] <pksadiq> trojanking: try ls -alR and see any file is marked with green color
[09:54] <trojanking> gobbe, i have opera but i need two more browsers to add to it
[09:55] <ghostlines> notice sacarlson cool, I'm going to look into that real strange though cuz I do have access, thx
[09:55] <sacarlson> ghostlines: I guess it could also be a proxy cache or just the cache in the browser
[09:55] <trojanking> acfabaa3322192f23c587fd400000007-runtime
[09:55] <pksadiq> trojanking: I think ./flock-bin run's the program
[09:57] <trojanking> pksadiq
[09:57] <trojanking> nothing worked
[09:57] <trojanking> pksadiq, no such file or directory was what i got
[09:57] <pksadiq> trojanking: did you run ./flock-bin from the folder flock in terminal ?
[09:57] <trojanking> yes
[09:58] <gobbe> paste a screenshot
[09:58] <trojanking> pksadiq, no such file or directory was what i got
[09:58] <gobbe> it should run
[09:58] <trojanking> k
[09:58] <pksadiq> trojanking: what does you get ls -ah flock-b*  ?
[09:59] <dennda> gobbe: ok so i can access the files normally now, but i can't write to the device. it tells me "Read-only file system" even tho it's mounted with rw
[09:59] <gobbe> dennda: hmmh. i'm not sure that is it possible to mount hfs+ to ubuntu with rw
[09:59] <stjohnmedrano> Happy New Year Linux Users!
[10:00] <trojanking> pksadiq, how do i get the screenshot i took?
[10:01] <gobbe> dennda: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2346494#post2346494 at least says that it should be possible
[10:01] <dennda> gobbe: google tells me that I have to turn off journaling apparently
[10:01] <pksadiq> stjohnmedrano: it's you to decide whether it's happy or sad, it is the time for you to look back a year and see what you have done, because you wasted a year, and got a year closer to your Death
[10:01] <gobbe> dennda: yes, that's what the form also tells
[10:01] <trojanking> pksadiq, ls: cannot access flock-b: No such file or directory
[10:01] <dennda> now what would that mean exactly...
[10:02] <gobbe> trojanking: flock-bin
[10:02] <gobbe> trojanking: not flock-b
[10:02] <pksadiq> trojanking: try find  flock-bin   ? and post the one line here
[10:02] <Tetsuo55> hi im experiencing some wierd behaviour, the laptop batter icon tells me the battery is full, but when i unplug it tells me the battery is emtpy, and that the computer will hibernate
[10:02] <pksadiq> trojanking: try find | grep flock-bin   ? and post the one line here
[10:02] <loquitus> Has anybody got bluray playback working reasonably well in Maverick?
[10:03] <stjohnmedrano> pksadiq: death is inevitable, we should learn from our past, what is more important how we deal with it.
[10:03] <trojanking> pksadiq, ./flock/flock-bin
[10:03] <stjohnmedrano> dennada: try to chmod 700
[10:04] <pksadiq> trojanking: ok, so now run ./flock/flock-bin     in terminal say the output
[10:05] <Tetsuo55> my question would be how can i reset the battery charging tool so it accurately detects the state of the battery?
[10:05] <trojanking> pksadiq, ./flock/flock-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjemalloc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:05] <stjohnmedrano> dennda: i think your permission is r-x only, you should change it to 755 or 700 : try chmod 700 device path
[10:06] <dennda> stjohnmedrano: no; that's not the problem as we already pointed out. i do have write.
[10:06] <dennda> write permissions i mean
[10:06] <pksadiq> trojanking: and so what does ./flock/flock-browser   do?
[10:06] <trojanking> pksadiq, no worries, its complicated for me, do u know any browser i can use? that is a .deb file? i think its better to find easier browser than waste time with dificult styf
[10:07] <dennda> anyway thanks, i'll leave it at that
[10:07] <pksadiq> !browser
[10:08] <pksadiq> !chrome | trojanking
[10:08] <trojanking> bash: !chrome: event not found
[10:09] <gobbe> trojanking: i believe that there should be somekind of installation instructions or installer, you should ask from vendor that how you can intsall it
[10:09] <pksadiq> !info chromium-browser | trojanking
[10:10] <jbatista> !info apport | jbatista
[10:10] <pksadiq> trojanking: in terminal type sudo apt-get install chromium-browser    to install google chrome
[10:10] <PhilT> ghostlines: say more about config what is wordpress server, where is client, WAN, LAN connections etc
[10:11] <rgb247> hello, I have a problem with my ubuntu
[10:12] <rgb247> how can I set dual monitor ?
[10:13] <rgb247> anyone here?
[10:15] <trojanking> hello all, what are the real benefits of ubuntu to other OS cos it took me just 24hrs to be able to do anything with my MAC windows i learnt a long time... pls what is special about linux
[10:16] <mattsmith123> markf: hi
[10:16] <mattsmith123> markf, hello
[10:16] <sacarlson> trojanking: security with freedom
[10:17] <Spown> Cyaoo a tutti!!
[10:17] <Spown> ieuuuuuuuuuuuu
[10:17] <rww> !it
[10:17] <rgb247> anyone can help me with my problem?
[10:18] <rgb247> how can I set dual monitors on ubuntu?
[10:18] <jhon> which is what?
[10:18] <jhon> Do you have propertiary drivers installed?
[10:18] <rgb247>  I don't know
[10:18] <trojanking> sacarlson what is secruity about anf freedom about
[10:18] <jhon> rgb247> Do you have an NVIDIA or ATI card?
[10:18] <rgb247> jhon can you teach me to install the best drivers for me and set dual boot?
[10:19] <rgb247> jhon: NVIDIA GAINWARD 260 is my graphic card
[10:20] <jhon> rgb247> Look at private
[10:23] <SaladFingers1> Hi
[10:23] <SaladFingers1> This is the support channel, right?
[10:24] <sacarlson> trojanking: see pm
[10:27] <shawnboy> Are there negative consequences to installing ia32-libs on a 64-bit Ubuntu system?
[10:28] <shawnboy> I think I need ia32-libs for tsmuxer to work properly in PS3 Media Server
[10:28] <rww> shawnboy: no
[10:28] <rww> (I use it for various things, works fine.)
[10:28] <jg47hm> do you know how to change pointer icon?
[10:28] <shawnboy> rww: so what needs them uses them, otherwise no big deal having them installed and available?
[10:28] <ddraig> anyone able to help a newb with some basic stuff?  I want to mount a network folder on boot.
[10:28] <rww> shawnboy: correct
[10:28] <shawnboy> rww: thank you very much.
[10:28] <pksadiq> shawnboy: never, many packages depends on ia32libs
[10:29] <shawnboy> cool, pksadiq. I'm off to install them now.
[10:29] <jg47hm> do you know how to change pointer icon???
[10:29] <Tito0096> Can someone help me, I am trying to remove fglrx, and keep the open source ati drivers
[10:29] <Tito0096> when I do
[10:29] <Roaster> Can any 1 help with instaling intel IPW2200 drivers work on Ubuntu but i am running gnacktrack any help welcome
[10:29] <markf> Does anyone here know how i could get 'pstack' for 10.04 64bit? Only appears to exist for 32bit.... i don't mind compiling from source if i have to just i can't even find that to download .... probably because its more a Redhat thing?
[10:29] <Tito0096> remove fglrx i get a black screen at login
[10:29] <shawnboy> Tito0096: aptitude remove fglrx
[10:30] <shawnboy> Tito0096: actually go to synaptics package manager and search on fglrx
[10:30] <Tito0096> i did that
[10:30] <Tito0096> BUT
[10:30] <Tito0096> when i boot
[10:30] <jg47hm> guys do you know how to change pointer icon?
[10:30] <shawnboy> remove the ones that are installed. reboot
[10:30] <Tito0096> i get a black screen at login
[10:30] <Tito0096> and I do have the other driver installed
[10:30] <Tito0096> i dont know why it doesnt work though
[10:31] <shawnboy> Tito0096: scratching my head. Lucid?
[10:31] <Tito0096> 10.10
[10:31] <Soldrur> can't Xubuntu see NTFS partitions?
[10:31] <hatseflats> hi everyone
[10:31] <shawnboy> Tito0096: well, I'm sorry but I'm afraid you've tapped the bottom of my shallow pool of knowledge on this one.
[10:32] <Tito0096> haha
[10:32] <Tito0096> thanks for the help
[10:32] <shawnboy> Tito0096: I tried. Hopefully someone else here will know... Anyone?
[10:32] <abhinav_singh> i have multiple .tar.gz files in my directory..how to extract all of them in one go?
[10:32] <rww> Tito0096: you may also need to edit or remove fglrx additions to /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/xorg.conf or wherever it is now.
[10:32] <shawnboy> goodnight all.
[10:32] <Roaster> how do you install linux drivers
[10:32] <ricol> xt
[10:32] <rww> I think fglrx still creates and adds to it.
[10:32] <Tito0096> rww
[10:32] <Tito0096> oh
[10:32] <Tito0096> okay
[10:32] <Tito0096> what would i edit it too?
[10:33] <jbatista> Roaster drivers for what hardware?
[10:33] <rww> Tito0096: I'd probably just remove it. Xorg usually autodetects instead these days.
[10:33] <Tito0096> oh okay
[10:33] <SlyUk> Morning all :)
[10:33] <rww> I may be wrong and it's already removed.
[10:33] <Roaster> ipw 2200 i have the linux drivers jst need to make & install
[10:33] <Roaster> Wireless
[10:33] <hatseflats> Quick question; I'm on a hardy local development server (so I can't muck around 'till it works) and I want to upgrade vim to 7.3, but that version is not in the repositories, where do I look for instructions to upgrade only that package, and not upgrade the whole box (I'm too much afraid a shitstorm of things will break, our sysadmins are not... what you'd say, with a lot of clue)
[10:34] <Tito0096> rww So uninstall fglrx then edit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:34] <Tito0096> what if I get a black screen at boot?
[10:34] <Tito0096> even though i ahve the correct driver installed
[10:35] <rww> Tito0096: dunno. I haven't used fglrx in a few years :(
[10:35] <rww> can't stand the thing, it's a huge hassle
[10:35] <Tito0096> rww: I am trying to get rid of it lol
[10:35] <SlyUk> Im needing some guidance. I am wanting to install ubuntu to a 8gig usb stick and have that as the bootable os. So i can just plug it in/out whenever i want to boot into it. I know how to get the iso on the usb to install from but i dont know how to install to and use that as and when.
[10:35] <Tito0096> but something is retardedly messed up on my system
[10:36] <Mayank> Hello, i am trying to install package - libbusiness-isbn-perl , by doing apt-get install , it says unable to locate package. when i run apt-get update, i get some errors in fetching. like - W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process /bin/bzip2 returned an error code (2) , how can i fix them?
[10:37] <jbatista> Roaster if you already have the source, doesn't it install already?
[10:37] <jbatista> Roaster did you install the kernel source?
[10:38] <Tito0096> rww: delete the .conf?
[10:38] <Aihetleos> guys do you know any high quality movie player???
[10:39] <rww> Tito0096: sure, or move it to xorg.conf.backup or something.
[10:39] <hatseflats> Aihetleos: mplayer
[10:39] <mgolisch> mplayer > *
[10:39] <Tito0096> rww: okay
 it is high quality?
[10:39] <mgolisch> what does high quality movie player mean anyways?
[10:39] <hatseflats> ^
[10:39] <hatseflats> that
[10:40] <Roaster> Jbatista i am running gnacktrack & the drivers have not loaded i run Ubuntu no probs, i have used modprobe etc & it see's the card when i try to bring the card up it will not recog, i found the drivers but need to install but am a new to terminal so the Make install bit has me lost
[10:41] <jbatista> Roaster usually driver compilation requires that you install the kernel source, because the drivers compile against the kernel source
[10:41] <jbatista> Roaster only then might the driver kernel module get installed
[10:41] <Roaster> i have updated the Kernel
[10:42] <gobbe> Roaster: this channel is only for ubuntu-support
[10:42] <jbatista> Roaster from source?
[10:42] <Roaster> Gnacktrack is Ubuntu ?
[10:42] <jacktim> I was wondering if there was any way from either a linux machine that is not connected to the internet, or from a windows machine that is, to download a debian package and all of its requirements (streamlined into one package or collection of packages) without individually hunting down each package, the required packages for those packages and so on and so forth?
[10:43] <hatseflats> oh well
[10:43] <jbatista> Roaster gnutrack doesn't seem to be in the repository, so it seems the answer is no
[10:44] <jacktim> Or from the linux machine, creating an executable that will run in windows to get all the files in a list.
[10:44] <Roaster> Cheers for you help mite sw bk & Vm cheers again
[10:44] <jhon> jacktim you can install cygwin on a windows machine
[10:44] <findeds> he there
[10:44] <jhon> and then give a command to download a package with all its dependencies
[10:44] <jhon> but not install
[10:45] <jacktim> Not an option I am afraid. I'm running ubuntu native on one machine, and the windows machines do not belong to me.
[10:45] <wers> trying to do this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10065168&postcount=69       but I get  http://paste.ubuntu.com/549040/ . what do I do?
[10:45] <gobbe> Roaster: gnutrack is not ubuntu, it's based on ubuntu
[10:45] <gobbe> Roaster: so #gnutrack or something else is supportchannel for that
[10:45] <trojanking> is there server to meet hackers and crackers?
[10:46] <Roaster> gnacktrack comb of ubuntu & backtrack
[10:46] <jhon> jacktim> so you have no install privilidges on the windows machine
[10:46] <jacktim> I could install...  It's combination, and it's not same thing. So it's not supported here
[10:47] <jhon> my suggestion is this ... Create a persistent bootable pendrive and get to the windows box and boot it up from a pendrive
[10:47] <trojanking> anyone from morocco or india message me pleasee
[10:47] <jhon> and do what you need
[10:48] <jhon> take the packages with you back on the pendrive
[10:48] <jhon> no install involved
[10:48] <jacktim> Also not an available option... Nerts.
[10:49] <Tito0096> rww: awesome I got someone in #radeon to link me to a very awesome guide
[10:49] <Tito0096> and it worked
[10:49] <Tito0096> i think
[10:49] <rww> Tito0096: what's the link?
[10:49] <lolzer> h
[10:50] <Tito0096> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
[10:50] <jacktim> Not to mention that I wouldn't know where to find the packages on the pen drive after that... <_< Thanks anyway Jhon.
[10:52] <Tito0096> rww:
[10:52] <Tito0096> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver
[10:52] <Tito0096> ^ the correct link
[10:53] <rww> thanks
[10:54] <WeThePeople> rww, can i pm you
[10:54] <rww> WeThePeople: I don't do support in PM
[10:55] <WeThePeople> rww, its not support related
[10:55] <rww> WeThePeople: then yes
[11:01] <m3asmi> LAMP don't show errors if I forget ';'
[11:02] <abu> hello
[11:02] <WhatWhereAmI> anybody know what to do about padsp being all crackly?
[11:05] <Shruikhan> Hallo at all
[11:05] <Shruikhan> I want install in dual boot ubuntu and kubuntu by doing a separate installation of the two os.es
[11:05] <Shruikhan> I know how to do all the process, but my doubt is regarding a partition.
[11:05] <Shruikhan> I usually use 4 partition /boot / swap /home.
[11:05] <Shruikhan> Now, i consider to install ubuntu by using this partitioning system, and after i'll install kubuntu. For Kubuntu i'll share home by a different user account
[11:05] <FloodBot2> Shruikhan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:05] <Shruikhan> and swap but what about the boot partition?
[11:06] <Mayank> hello i am trying to dpkg -i libbusiness-isbn-data-perl_20081208-1_all.deb i get an error - subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> !panelreset
[11:07] <Shruikhan> Hallo at all. I want install in dual boot ubuntu and kubuntu by doing a separate installation of the two os.es
[11:07] <Shruikhan> I know how to do all the process, but my doubt is regarding a partition.I usually use 4 partition /boot / swap /home. Now, i consider to install ubuntu by using this partitioning system, and after i'll install kubuntu. For Kubuntu i'll share home by a different user account
[11:07] <Shruikhan> and swap but what about the boot partition?think to share that partition by mountig /boot of kubuntu on that
[11:07] <FloodBot2> Shruikhan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:07] <Mayank> Dr_Wills: was that for me?
[11:07] <red2kic> Mayank: Not likely. He just came in. Self-indulged.
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> Mayank:  it was for me. :) my settings are messed up
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> Shruikhan:  you do realize you can just install kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu, and select what desktop to use at the GDM login screen.
[11:08] <Mayank> red2kic: ok! but any suggestions for solving an error - subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[11:08] <Mayank> while dpkg - i a package?
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> Shruikhan:  the 2 installs could share the same /home/ also. but that might cause a few issues. if you added 2 users to each,  and just used one for kde, and one for gnome. that would avoid most issues
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> Shruikhan:  but honestly - i dont see the point in 2 seperate installs
[11:09] <Shruikhan> Dr_Willis, i know that way. What i want i try as separate as possible from ubuntu the kubuntu system.
[11:09] <paccez> Dr_Willis, in that way you would have all kde software in ubuntu and all gnome software in kubuntu...
[11:09] <Shruikhan> I know.
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> I find kde and gnome apps to handy to keep them seperated..
[11:10] <Mayank> Dr_Wills: ok! :) but any suggestions for solving an error - subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 while doing dpkg -i <package_name>
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> Shruikhan:  the use of a /boot/ is a bit unneeded these days also.
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> Mayank:  not really. fixing apt breakage - can be a real pain.
[11:10] <Shruikhan> the fact is that i reached a perfect state of the art of my ubuntu installation
[11:11] <Mayank> Dr_Wills: ok :(
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> Shruikhan:  with that 'logic' then why do you even want to bother with kde..
[11:11] <red2kic> Shruikhan: You're on a computer?
[11:11] <Callum__> happy new year to everyone =P in NZ here it's new years already
[11:11] <Shruikhan> because i have a poerful notebook and i don't give a chance to kde since kde 4.0
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> if you want to test out kde. you could just use a live cd.
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> or virtualbox. - KDE is very well done in 10.10 - i use it on my laptop.
[11:12] <LegoSalva> hi
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> learning all the little tricks and tips of using kde - is the hard part.
[11:12] <red2kic> Shruikhan: Install KDE + GNOME on one machine and share them?
[11:12] <Shruikhan> know i tried the live cd and all works fine but i don't want to be annoyed by the problems about gdm or kdm and all about the processes of the desktop environment that loads automaticall
[11:13] <red2kic> Shruikhan: Use Kubuntu LiveDisc (or if you want persistent mode, install it to USB).
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> Shruikhan:  i dont really notice any of kde loading automatically on my mixxed system. Gnome+KDE+Lubuntu
[11:13] <paccez> Shruikhan, why don't you just install kubuntu as another OS? Just like installing Windows with Ubuntu
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> So you have your options.. do what you want. :) i guess.
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> paccez:  that can have its own issues.
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> 'safest' do a full install to a 8+GB flash drive.. perhaps..
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> actually safest may be to use it in virtualbox.
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> that way its easy to 'remove' if you decide tonot use kde.
[11:17] <Shruikhan> hum... this way is useful but i can't see how system performs kubuntu because the hdd in my laptop is 7200rpm so a different class of speed
[11:17] <x-2000> ubunchu
[11:17] <x-2000> ?
[11:17] <icesword> new year is coming
[11:17] <stefan___> yes
[11:17] <icesword> hi everyone
[11:17] <stefan___> hi icesword
[11:17] <icesword> Happy new year!
[11:17] <stefan___> happy new year too
[11:17] <stefan___> =)
[11:18] <icesword> stefan___, hey
[11:18] <x-2000> happy new yer indeed...
[11:18] <stefan___> ^^
[11:18] <stefan___> icesword, do you go party tonight?
[11:18] <stefan___> =)
[11:18] <red2kic> About 18 minutes too late or 42 minutes too early. I can't decide. :(
[11:18] <lamalex> Does anyone know what daemon handles brightness/volume hotkeys?
[11:19] <icesword> stefan___, nope
[11:19] <stefan___> =)
[11:19] <lamalex> is it gnome-settings-daemon
[11:19] <lamalex> ?
[11:19] <icesword> stefan___, yourself
[11:19] <stefan___> every year the same
[11:19] <stefan___> yes i go tonight,
[11:19] <bros> I am having an audio problem. Googling it reveals that users have a third device (one configured for HDMI). I do not have this. May I please get some help debugging this problem?
[11:19] <stefan___> just because my girlfriend wants to..
[11:20] <icesword> stefan___, enjoy the night
[11:20] <stefan___> i would prefere to stay @ home but..
[11:20] <stefan___> thanks,.. you too
[11:20] <stefan___> just a question..
[11:20] <bros> I have a Core i3 processor which has an onboard graphics processor. My motherboard has HDMI output. I would like for audio to be output through HDMI.
[11:20] <stefan___> im new to irssi..
 : so it doesnt work?
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> bros:  hdmi audio out is known to be problematic for many devices/chipsets.
[11:20] <bros> jhon: No. aplay -l doesn't list the HDMI device at all.
[11:21] <bros> Dr_Willis: googling reveals that mine works, or is known to work.
[11:21] <stefan___> and could you tell me, how i can write eg to you so that you know, that i am talking to you?
[11:21] <bros> H55 chipset, Core i3 processor, Intel brand motherboard
[11:21] <Krishnandu> Hi, I installed k3b and it shows this http://fpaste.org/J91k/ on startup, I already have libmad installed
[11:22] <jhon> bros: Sounds like the chipset is not properly recognized
[11:22] <jhon> you probably need to download a linux driver for it, compile it and modprobe it
[11:22] <bros> http://paste.ubuntu.com/549046/
[11:23] <bros> jhon: do I need to do that despite audio working through 3.5mm?
[11:24] <red2kic> bros: Run "alsamixer" -- See if anything are muted.
[11:24] <bros> http://paste.ubuntu.com/549047/ a better paste
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> stefan___:  use the tab key, and the first few chars of a nick
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> !tab | stefan___
[11:25] <LewisCawte> How do I add a custom menu onto my panel. In the interface, the custom menu is the Ubuntu default. I want just another menu that I can move around called "Favourites"
[11:25] <sresu_> Can rsync/grsync make changes in destination backup folder if original source is changed. For example, if a folder is cut-pasted inside another folder in the source, will it make that changes as well. I want to have backup of files/folders in a similar way they are till date, as far as I remeber rsync can do this. Is it possible to achieve that?
[11:26] <red2kic> LewisCawte: Bookmarks? To reserve a list of popular ("favourites") folders?
[11:26] <LewisCawte> red2kic: nope. The default doesn't meet the bill I'm afraid, I need a completely new menu bar for my panel
[11:27] <bros> It looks like I am missing the alsa codec?
[11:27] <red2kic> LewisCawte: Drawer applet, perhaps?
[11:27] <jhon> bros: PulseAudio is currently the audio server in Linux
[11:28] <jhon> bros: Alsa used to be used, but they ve switched around 9.04
[11:28] <red2kic> LewisCawte: Since I don't know what you want to put in there. You can add apps, folders, etc in the drawer.
[11:28] <sresu_> Can rsync/grsync make changes in destination backup folder if original source is changed. For example, if a folder is cut-pasted inside another folder in the source, will it make that changes as well. I want to have backup of files/folders in a similar way they are till date, as far as I remeber rsync can do this. Is it possible to achieve that?
[11:28] <Adman65> anyone have any exp with the Xonar STX? I can see mixer levels going on, but can't get any sound out of the equipment
[11:29] <bros> jhon: That changes everything. Does PulseAudio use ALSA as a backend?
[11:29] <jhon> Adman65: I have a Xonar D2: Works out of the box
[11:30] <jhon> bros: Yes, that appears to be the case, I personally hate PulseAudio, never managed to get proper 5.1 surround sound working, ALSA was way better
[11:30] <LewisCawte> red2kic: it won't let me add text to the bit on the panel, I've tried drawer's before ;(
[11:30] <bros> I honestly think I am using alsa
[11:30] <bullgard4> Rhythmox 0.13.1 shows two columns named »Title« with different content. The left Title column includes only natural number entries. What is its function?
[11:30] <Adman65> jhon, well the D2 is a different card. I can't figure out where the problem is since everything seems like it should be working
[11:30] <bs123> are there any good portable documents available for a newbie to ubuntu?
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> the kernel uses alsa. that is then used by Pulse audio.
[11:31] <jhon> yea, but pulse is so tied into the system, you cant actually remove it without crippling the distro
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> Every time i see someont try to 'remove pulse' they soon do a reinstall.. :)
[11:32] <jhon> they say OSS V4 works really well
[11:32] <gobbe> sresu_: rsync can be used to keep your backup 1:1 copy of your current disk, it can move folders etc
[11:32] <gobbe> sresu_: rsync -az --delete (but keep in mind that it will also delete all files that you have deleted in your current original place)
[11:33] <bros> jhon: I am missing this from my aplay -l output: card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: INTEL HDMI [INTEL HDMI]
[11:33] <sresu_> gobbe: Well, I want exact copy of two drives/partition till date. I'm using grsync
[11:33] <monokrome> Hey. Does anybody know what's wrong with this? http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> !info fsarchiver
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> !jaunty
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> monokrome:  its past end of life for starters.. time to upgrade.
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> monokrome:  so all packages would have been moved to the 'archive' servers. whatever they are called.. i forget
[11:35] <monokrome> okay
[11:35] <monokrome> I thought Jaunty was 10.10
[11:35] <monokrome> But that's lucid
[11:35]  * monokrome facepalm
[11:35] <monokrome> Thank you, Dr_Willis
[11:36] <jhon> bros: Seems to me you need to look at what is the controller called for the HDMI, and get a driver for that
[11:36] <root> WWW.IDEA.COM
[11:36] <jhon> bros: mine uses Nvidia
[11:36] <root> www.idea.com
[11:37] <rww> Guest88297: don't advertise here.
[11:37] <bros> jhon: I just tried to install a Realtek driver and now no sound works at all. How may I uninstall it/reinstall the working packages?
[11:37] <Guest88297> tuhadi ma di jai ho
[11:37] <gobbe> sresu_: i'm using rsync to have exact copy of my server in second server
[11:38] <Utopiah> hi #ubuntu, trying to fix grub out of an updated Wubi install but grub rescue has no loopback/initrd/linux commands as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 of course to make it fun the laptop has no CD and the only USB HD I have is too large to get formatted, idea?
[11:38] <Guest88297> tere server de aisi de taisi
[11:38] <gobbe> sresu_: rsync -az --delete /src/dir secondserver:/src/dir
[11:38] <jhon> jhon: Did you install it from the package manager, or you downloaded and compiled?
[11:38] <rww> !en | Guest88297
[11:39] <root__> edit
[11:39] <jhon> bros: did you use package manager or downloaded and compiled manually?
[11:40] <sresu_> gobbe: You said that  ' it will also delete all files that you have deleted in your current original place' - I don't think that happens..
[11:40] <sresu_> gobbe: I've once made a big mistake using rsync/dd that I'm trying not to use CLI though at times I work with it on my other drives where mistakes can be ignored. Have you tried grsync?
[11:40] <bs123> bros what motherboard?
[11:42] <bullgard4> Rhythmox 0.13.1 shows two columns named »Title« with different content. The left Title column includes only natural number entries. What is its function?
[11:42] <bullgard4> s/Rhythmox/Rhythmbox/
[11:43] <oqbo> hello
[11:43] <oqbo> 1 question how i go to the cdrom monted on the desk sing the terminal in ubuntu?
[11:43] <bs123> bros anyhow...some motherboards have an option in the bios
[11:43] <bs123> fyi
[11:44] <Tito0096> How can I add a partition so I can install a small install of xp?
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> oqbo:  it in /media/ somewhere.
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> oqbo:  cd /media/cdrom (or some other name)
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> Tito0096:  gparted can resize partitions.
[11:44] <oqbo> i did 'cd /media/cdrom0'   but dowant works
[11:44] <gobbe> sresu_: well, if i delete folder from my server, it will be deleted also from destination
[11:44] <gobbe> sresu_: but you need to use --delete
[11:44] <gobbe> sresu_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549052/ i'm having like that
[11:44] <Tito0096> Dr_Willis: no data loss?
[11:44] <sresu_> Tito0096: gparted/fdisk can be used for that
[11:45] <jhon> bullgard4: is it a CD rip? some Audio CD s when ripped without CDDB the number titles dont appear correctly
[11:45] <jhon> only as numbers instead of titles
[11:46] <Tito0096> How can I add a partition to empty space in ext4 with out loosing data?
[11:46] <sresu_> gobbe: What if w/o using --delete? Have you ever tried grsync? I'm asking that because the parameters you would be suggesting need not be same for what it takes by default on clicking an action
[11:47] <jhon> Tito0096: You use a Live CD or Pendrive to boot the system, then using Gparted you shrink the partition, that will give you free space which allows to create new partitions
[11:47] <Tito0096> okay
[11:47] <Tito0096> hmmm
[11:47] <root__> guest88297
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> Tito0096:  always make backups...
[11:47] <royale1223> i get this error while trying to copy evolution contacts "This address book cannot be opened.  Please check that the path /home/binoy/.evolution/addressbook/local/1293527560.2865.7@binoy-pc exists and that permissions are set to access it."
[11:47] <bullgard4> jhon: Yes, the natural numbers in the left-hand Title column  seem to appear only in entries from CD rips. Still, why do have two columns with different contents the same headline?
[11:47] <root__> guest88297 init
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> Tito0096:  it can resize with no loss. but a power failure duiring resize = bad.
[11:48] <Tito0096> Haha
[11:48] <Tito0096> yeah
[11:48] <sresu_> gobbe: So you have made a script for that. Okay.
[11:48] <Tito0096> Hmmm How can I edit grub to allow a windows xp install
[11:48] <Tito0096> ?
[11:48] <bullgard4> !grub | Tito0096
[11:48] <lamalex> Does anyone know what daemon handles screen brightness keys?
[11:48] <matty_> hi
[11:48] <sresu_> Tito0096: You are installing after Ubuntu/*nix?
[11:49] <sresu_> windows after
[11:49] <bros> After install 10.10 with an SSD, do I need to configure any extra options?
[11:49] <Tito0096> sresu_ Windows 7 on a spare partition
[11:49] <bullgard4> lamalex: This depends on hardware.
[11:49] <lamalex> bullgard4, what? really?
[11:49] <jhon> Tito0096: make sure you boot from another device, Gparted cannot resize partitions while they are used, they have to be unmounted first, not sure if you can unmount a partition while you booted from it
[11:50] <sresu_> Tito0096: You should see what bullgard4 suggested
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> windows7 can be weird in how it wants to install. it tries to use  a boot type partition. and a normal parttion
[11:50] <sresu_> Exavtly
[11:50] <sresu_> exactly*
[11:50] <Tito0096> sresu_: its a spare drive
[11:50] <Tito0096> so i can do it
[11:50] <lamalex> bullgard4, so I know pommed is for macbooks, but what does it for other hardware?
[11:50] <royale1223> i get this error while trying to copy evolution contacts "This address book cannot be opened.  Please check that the path /home/binoy/.evolution/addressbook/local/1293527560.2865.7@binoy-pc exists and that permissions are set to access it."
[11:50] <lamalex> it's not just gnome-settings-deamon or gnome-power-manager?
[11:52] <jhon> Tito0096: Also make sure if you are installing Windows on a different harddrive, that you unplug the linux drive first, Windows just loves screwing up GRUB
[11:52] <bros> After install 10.10 with an SSD, do I need to configure any extra options?
[11:52] <Tito0096> jhon: oh yes I know that lol
[11:52] <bullgard4> lamalex: The screen brightness keys will be controlled by different programs depending on the specific hardware. So you better state your hardware or google for your specific computer type.
[11:53] <gobbe> sresu_: u need to use --delete, without that it wont delete files
[11:53] <Gawain_> #ubuntu+1
[11:53] <sresu_> gobbe: Oh.. that would not move files etc
[11:53] <gobbe> sresu_: i have tested grsync but i'm more familiar with cli tools
[11:53] <gobbe> sresu_: well, it will. It will sync new directory and delete old one
[11:54] <sresu_> gobbe: Likewise
[11:54] <sresu_> Okay
[11:54] <jhon> Tito0096: also after install when back on the linux box, use an update initramfs or reinstall a kernel from package manager thats the simplest way of grub Autoupdate
[11:54] <gobbe> sresu_: like the link i gave, theres a shellscript that i use for keeping in sync my two servers
[11:54] <Tito0096> jhon: will do
[11:54] <gobbe> sresu_: so if you change one website, let's say www.something.com to www.somethingnew.com, it will be changed also in my second server
[11:55] <sresu_> gobbe: hey, can I talk to you in private for a moment?
[11:55] <lamalex> bullgard4, I'm on a macbook pro
[11:55] <Dwade09> anyone in here wana help me with this post its from using wine http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=62932&p=361905#p361905
[11:56] <gobbe> sresu_: yes
[11:56] <lamalex> bullgard4, 13"
[11:56] <jhon> Dwade09: Which WINE version are you using?
[11:56] <bullgard4> lamalex: Right. But I myself do not know this machine.
[11:57] <Dwade09> jhon,  wine 1.2.1
[11:57] <lamalex> bullgard4, what are some examples of the daemons that handle them
[11:57] <jhon> Dwade09: That is ancient, update to 1.3.9
[11:57] <jhon> to start with
[11:57] <Dwade09> jhon,  how do i update it in the terminal?
[11:58] <jhon> Dwade09: did you add the wine source to the repo list?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> !wine | Dwade09
[11:58] <Dwade09> jhon,  no, i just done it through package manager
[11:59] <trojanking> sacarlson
[11:59] <trojanking> sacarlton
[11:59] <jhon> Dwade09: then first you have to add the wine source to the list, update and then install
[11:59] <jhon> will help ya in private
[11:59] <SN4K3> How do u uninstall gnome ? because I installed openbox and I like it better?
[12:00] <jhon> SN4K3: Sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  best to just leave gnome installed...
[12:00] <jhon> thats the agressive way
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  select openbox at the gdm screen. and use openbox.
[12:00] <SN4K3> thnx jhon
[12:00] <jhon> dont do it tho
[12:01] <jhon> Ubuntu is BASED on Gnome
[12:01] <jhon> if you remove it, it may seriously cripple the whole thing
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> gnome = the whole desktop + support ttools.. openbox = just a window manager.
[12:01] <bullgard4> lamalex: acpid
[12:01] <SN4K3> Dr_Willis, I want to remove gnome cuz i want to install it on a low performace system
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  just selecting openbox at the login screen will be enough.
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  go ahead and try to remove gnome.. you will proberly be putting it back on real fast...
[12:02] <SN4K3> lol k ill take ur advice
[12:02] <jhon> indeed :)
[12:02] <lamalex> bullgard4, I think I found my real answer, gnome-power-manager does screen brightness and hotkey handling
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> assuming that removing gnome - dosent break your networking....
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> and you wouldbe able to reinstall gnome..
[12:02] <jhon> if you are using WICD manager
[12:02] <jhon> instead of gnome-network manager
[12:02] <jhon> then no
[12:03] <jhon> if you are using the second one ... yes ... you are screwed
[12:03] <SN4K3> wat window manager or desktop environment do u guys use ?
[12:03] <SN4K3> and yes i use wicd !
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  most of us are using GNome i imagine.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> If you have a low end box. check out Lubuntu
[12:04] <jhon> There are a lot of managers out there
[12:04] <jhon> Gnome uses moderate resources, but pretty much complete
[12:04] <jhon> KDE is a resrouce hog
[12:04] <jhon> XFCE is relatively light
[12:04] <SN4K3> i actually wanted to install it on "prehistoric" computer :P
[12:05] <tsimpson> jhon: KDE and Gnome are about equal in resource usage actually
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  state the specs...
[12:05] <jhon> Not really
[12:05] <jhon> KDE uses 1 GB ram
[12:05] <SN4K3> old one?
[12:05] <jhon> gnome uses 512 MB
[12:05] <tsimpson> jhon: heh, no it doesn't
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  I have a Timex Sinclare 1000, thats OLD.... :)
[12:05] <jhon> i wouldnt call that even
[12:05] <SN4K3> hahaha
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> jhon:  benchmarks ive seen. put the 2 about the same...
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> but that was a year ago.
[12:06] <jhon> you have other options ofc
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> Lubuntu won the 'resource' battle. but that was with an old version of Lubuntu also.
[12:06] <jhon> Fluxbox is very low tech, but uses minimum resources
[12:07] <jhon> IceVM looks like Windows 95, but only uses a couple MB of ram
[12:07] <SN4K3> my new system is gr8 but im pretty much a minimalist
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> fluxbox is just a window manager.. so of course it uses less resources then a full 'desktop'
[12:07] <donqi> anyone here knows where can i get a CC to fill my skype account ?
[12:08] <donqi> anyone here knows where can i get a CC to fill my skype account ?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> Thers dozens+ of Old window maangers still around that use very few resources..becuse when they were written..  they were 'hogs' and now pc's have grown greately.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> donqi:  go to the bank and get one?
[12:08] <donqi> lol
[12:08] <SN4K3> my gnome setup uses below 400Mb and my openbox uses below 200MB
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  and wmii and jwm proberly use even less...
[12:09] <SN4K3> is ubuntu minimal install worth ?
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> SN4K3:  depedns on your needs.
[12:09] <jhon> If you wanna run Liunx on a 486