[23:09]  * skellat is building calibre 0.9.31 for armhf on the BeagleBoard-xM after running the "backportpackage" script in ubuntu-dev-tools on a bunch of build dependencies that 12.04 just doesn't have
[23:11] <skellat> So far the BeagleBoard hasn't burst into flames and dpkg-buildpackage hasn't died yet
[23:13] <Unit193> Must try harder. :D
[23:13] <paultag> :D
[23:28] <skellat> The build went boom anyhow
[23:29] <paultag> :(
[23:29] <paultag> skellat: what distro
[23:29] <skellat> Xubuntu
[23:29] <paultag> version
[23:29] <skellat> 12.04
[23:29] <paultag> and version of calibre?
[23:29] <skellat> 0.9.31
[23:29] <paultag> yah, hum
[23:30] <skellat> Looks like it blew up due to a Makefile not being made somewhere along the way
[23:30] <skellat> If I'm feeling adventurous I can just go ahead and upgrade the BeagleBoard to 13.04
[23:31] <skellat> I'd need to shift some services/functions over to the RPi before I do that
[23:31] <skellat> Though I still haven't figured out why znc won't play nice in Raspbian
[23:32] <skellat> Which now makes me wonder what is still left in the crontab on Fearless
[23:33] <skellat> Hmm
[23:34] <skellat> Just the modified bashpodder that backs itself up to LP and my gopherspace plus the gpodder CLI runs
[23:34] <skellat> I'll get back to that after I get back from the farm
[23:35] <skellat> SEE ALSO: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/+junk/slapshot
[23:35] <Unit193> I only have 12 entries in my one crontab...
[23:36] <paultag> use moar daemons
[23:38] <Unit193> I use it to keep track of packages, uscan and scripts when there's an unversioned upstream tarball. :D
[23:39] <paultag> sweet
[23:39] <paultag> sounds interesting
[23:39] <Unit193> Not really. :P
[23:39] <paultag> does it email you when packages go out of date or?
[23:39] <paultag> the pts api might also have that information
[23:40] <Unit193> System mail, yeah.  Several of the packages aren't in Debian, and since I have a small use case (and icecast does stable betas), I use beta icecast2.
[23:42] <Unit193> But yeah, it's somewhat PTS style.


[01:30] <mhall119> well, I guess I wasn't the only one who missed the meeting
[01:30] <mhall119> Bryanstein: ping
[01:30] <Bryanstein> mhall119, ah...man I was here planning on making it
[01:30] <Bryanstein> shucks...was dealing with silly usb drive issues
[01:31] <mhall119> no worries, the only topic was about UbuCon planning
[01:31] <Bryanstein> well umm...no one was at the meeting so far it seems
[01:31] <mhall119> Bryanstein: you said you wanted the team's help organizing that, do you want us to manage the schedule for it, or just recruit sessions and help with setup?
[01:32] <mhall119> I'll kick it over to the mailing list once I know what you want us to do
[01:32] <balloons> I ran for too long and missed this completely
[01:33] <Bryanstein> mhall119, well session recruitment primarily then we'll come together on the scheduling
[01:34] <mhall119> balloons: we all missed it, I had companyover for dinner
[01:34] <mhall119> Bryanstein: do we have a list of what sessions we currently have allocated for UbuCon?
[01:35] <Bryanstein> mhall119, yes I do I can kick that over to the list and then we can go back and forth there...what we are doing is figuring out the schedule as a whole currently and over the next 2 days
[01:35] <mhall119> Bryanstein: thanks, that would help.
[01:36] <Bryanstein> I'll be Orlando with our Director of Operations for a few days...trying to get the LUG's on board
[01:36] <mhall119> Bryanstein: do we have a full day set aside for UbuCon, or half?
[01:36] <Bryanstein> mhall119, so far there are only sessions enough for half a day
[01:37] <balloons> Bryanstein, is there something specific you'd like to see covered but isn't?
[01:37] <mhall119> Bryanstein: I can probably offer up some more non-workshop topics
[01:37] <Bryanstein> balloons, yes...Ubuntu 101 like getting started with Ubuntu
[01:37] <mhall119> oh, for new contributors?
[01:37] <balloons> mhall119, tag team that one ^^?
[01:38] <mhall119> balloons: I'm in for that
[01:38] <balloons> we could redo the uds session I hosted
[01:38] <mhall119> +1
[01:38] <Bryanstein> mhall119, for new users period
[01:38] <mhall119> Bryanstein: ah, so really the basics of using it then, do you think we'll have an audience for that?
[01:38] <Bryanstein> mhall119, there is always an audience for that
[01:39] <balloons> yea I was thinking the contribution side of thigns
[01:39] <Bryanstein> well...that's with the assumption that everyone going to be there will be existing Ubuntu users
[01:40] <mhall119> I would think that existing Linux desktop users wouldn't find it useful
[01:40] <mhall119> balloons: we should definitely do the contributors 101
[01:40] <mhall119> we'll have pleia2 and jose around too, maybe we can do it like a panel session?
[01:41] <mhall119> or, alternately, just do a community panel session with them
[01:42] <Bryanstein> Well lets just do this...once we finish going through the talks...I'll post to the list and then we'll figure it out there.
[01:42] <mhall119> Bryanstein: ok, that sounds good, we can plan better once we know how many more sessions we need and what kinds
[01:42] <balloons> mhall119, hmm.. a contributors panel session?
[01:43] <balloons> but yes I agree completely on doing one
[01:43] <mhall119> balloons: I'm thinking just an open Q&A
[01:43] <balloons> mhall119, we should probably do one of those regardless eh?
[01:44] <mhall119> I think it would be good, yeah, maybe save it for the last session
[01:46] <mhall119> of course we'll need to make sure pleia2 and jose are on board with that
[01:46] <mhall119> maybe get jcastro too
[01:47] <jose> mhall119: I would love to, but remember I get that afternoon, not the day before
[01:48] <jose> depends on how much time immigration and customs take
[01:48] <mhall119> jose: afternoon on that Thursday right?
[01:48] <jose> yeah, landing around 4pm
[01:48] <mhall119> customs and immigration at MCO was pretty smooth and fast last time I went through, so much better than JFK
[01:49] <mhall119> assuming you flight right into Orlando
[01:49] <jose> I do
[01:49] <jose> but I'm not a US citizen ;)
[01:50] <mhall119> no, but even for non-residents the line wasn't very long
[01:50] <jose> oh
[01:50] <mhall119> then again, I'm comparing it to JFK, which even as a citzen took me like 2 hours
[01:50] <jose> I land at 4:19pm, so I'll probably at the hotel around 6pm
[01:51] <jose> oh, LAX is a nightmare
[01:51] <jose> I was lucky a police officer took me to another line
[01:51] <mhall119> I would assume so, it's LAX :)


[03:40] <MoLE_> what's do I need to do next to progress bug 595784
[03:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595784 in ubuntuone-client "latest ubuntuone beta client for karmic must be started manually to work. (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595784
[03:41] <MoLE_> Any takers?
[03:44]  * MoLE_ listens for the crickets
[03:44] <micahg> MoLE_: that's not a bug in Ubuntu, you'll need someone from the Ubuntu One team
[03:44] <MoLE_> micahg, thank you I didn't realise there was a difference
[03:46] <micahg> maybe someone else knows if they have a channel
[03:46] <MoLE_> I found the #ubuntuone channel thanks
[10:42] <vish> what happened to menu item Help > Report a problem?  it seems missing in Lucid
[10:43] <seb128> vish, stable users usually want to get help not to report a bug, they are not technical enough for bugs
[10:43] <vish> seb128: agreed , just wondering what happened.. has it always been removed after a release?
[10:44] <seb128> no, we decided to try that in lucid
[10:44] <vish> ah , cool.
[10:44] <sense> seb128: Do you happen to be aware of plans to redirect 'regular' users to Launchpad Answers instead of Bugs?
[10:45] <vish> seb128: thanks
[10:45] <seb128> sense, I don't
[10:45] <vish> .. maybe we should modify the response template as well
[10:45] <seb128> sense, out of the fact that we have a "get help" menu item for the menu tracker in stable versions and not one to open bugs
[10:45] <sense> seb128: Ah, then it never really left the stage of extensively debated idea in the Bug Squad.
[10:45] <seb128> "the answer tracker"
[10:46] <sense> yes
[10:46] <seb128> which is sort of directing users there...
[10:46] <sense> seb128: it was suggested and investigated to let the users report their problems there, that way they can be helped in their own language and we'd be less swamped with bug reports. Also: multiple users might have different support needs for one bug report, espexcially when there are a lot fo duplicates.
[10:46] <sense> seb128: But it never got off the ground, really.
[10:46] <seb128> seems a nice idea though
[10:47] <vish> bdmurray: hggdh: ^^ due to the item being removed , shall i edit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20without%20a%20package  ?
[10:47] <seb128> would be worth trying
[10:47] <sense> seb128: Something for UDS-N? :)
[10:47] <seb128> I guess ;-)
[10:49] <vish> sense: "get help" option redirects to answer tracker.. is that not what you mention?
[10:51] <sense> vish: Yes, a bit. But not fully since we don't redirect people to report their problems there, and the Answer tracker might require some modifications to be optimal for this use, and the Bug Squad and LoCos aren't set to this behaviour.
[10:51] <sense> So everyone is still encouraged to use bug reports.
[10:53] <vish> sense: they can ask the question ,which is sorta "report their problems there" if it is a bug , we can convert it to bug? but local translations is a problem
[10:53] <sense> vish: That's why we need the LoCos.
[10:54] <vish> righto..
[10:54] <sense> vish: It's the "How do I write a proper defect report"-support request thing.
[10:54] <sense> vish: And getting the LoCos might of course be a problem. Maybe not so much for French, but for less often spoken languages.
[10:55] <sense> vish: We would need good duplicate detection as well.
[10:55] <sense> because we'd have multiple places in multiple languages that would contain the bug.
[11:46] <kermiac> hggdh: did you get a chance to look at the arsenal scripts mate?
[13:35] <bcurtiswx> vish: do you know if Ken's patch to empathy for auto-scrolling chat rooms only applies if you aren't already at the bottom of the chat window?
[14:45] <hggdh> kermiac: sorry, got busy, will look at it now
[15:13] <vish> bcurtiswx: -> U-desktop
[17:16] <njin> hello. In Lucid wich app sustitute jscalibrator ? thanks
[17:17] <devildante> !support | njin
[17:17] <ubot2> njin: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[18:25] <brummbaer> greetings. new to bug processing, hoping someone can comment on general strategy on a bug i'm using to get oriented. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/612620
[18:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 612620 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "I have set up an account at Yahoo, but cannot access with Pidgin (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[19:29] <JoshuaL> Hello, I have a bug in 10.10 where after an reboot my sound gets muted. What package should be used in the bug report?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[19:30] <JoshuaL> Ubuntu
[19:30] <JoshuaL> And how can I "bump" a bug i reported a few months ago without an answer?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> alsa-driver
[19:31] <charlie-tca> but it might be bug 455420
[19:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 455420 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Sound is muted at log-in (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455420
[19:31] <JoshuaL> Let me check
[19:31] <charlie-tca> You can put a comment on a bug asking if there is any more information needed
[19:32] <charlie-tca> That bumps them nicely
[19:32] <JoshuaL> charlie-tca, thats the one :)
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I got one right?
[19:33] <JoshuaL> charlie-tca, bug 455420 was the same as i have now indeed :)
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 455420 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Sound is muted at log-in (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455420
[19:34] <JoshuaL> charlie-tca, the bug i want to bump is bug 569335
[19:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569335 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Network manager applet does not display the current connection (affects: 2) (heat: 43)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569335
[19:34] <charlie-tca> that is confirmed, so see if there is any other information asked for. If not, just a "this also affects me" on tip is good
[19:35] <JoshuaL> charlie-tca, already marked myself as affects me too :) ty
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Great
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I'm looking at the network manager bug now
[19:36] <charlie-tca> I bumped it
[19:36] <JoshuaL> ty
[19:36] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:37] <JoshuaL> i also have another bug i would like to report, not sure what package it reflects and how to describe it
[19:38] <JoshuaL> but there are some "graphical" issues with compiz enabled. for example: i have the stack applet, it shows some weird white "image" when moving over the stack items. The same happens with gnome-do. As if it doesnt handle transparancy or something like that.
[19:38] <JoshuaL> cant explain it that good
[19:38] <charlie-tca> That's been report, I think
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Just don't know the number
[19:39] <JoshuaL> i cant think of a good summary so im unable to find it
[19:39] <JoshuaL> english is not my first language :(
[19:41] <JoshuaL> And there was something else, I created a shared folder in 10.10, however it told me i had to install some kind of services. it also told me it would need a session restart, which i did. but the folder was not shared afterwards. had to do it again. i would like to make a suggestion to improve this behavior. any idea how i can do this best?
[19:42] <JoshuaL> and sorry for the amount of questions :P
[19:42] <vish> JoshuaL: Q: do you have any other applets on the panel?
[19:43] <vish> JoshuaL: i dont think it is a nm applet bug , i'v a similar problem , the panel just gets stuck and does not render
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Questions are no problem. the shared thing will most likely happen before/at the beta testing time
[19:43] <JoshuaL> vish, with an default install it still occurred
[19:43] <JoshuaL> charlie-tca, ok cool
[19:44] <vish> JoshuaL: is the applet 'stuck' now? and displaying wrong icon?
[19:44] <JoshuaL> vish, it shows the wireless icon with an red !
[19:44] <JoshuaL> however, when connecting to other networks at another location it works perfectly well
[19:44] <vish> JoshuaL: now , right-click on panel , select properties
[19:45] <vish> JoshuaL: in the background tab which option is selected?
[19:45] <JoshuaL> None (use system theme)
[19:46] <vish> JoshuaL: select solid color
[19:46] <JoshuaL> Done, however it does not seem to repaint the right part of the panel (where those icons are located)
[19:47] <vish> hmm..
[19:47] <vish> JoshuaL: select a different theme
[19:48] <JoshuaL> hmm, thats odd. switching from Radiance to New wave result in a theme named Custom. Borders from Radiance stay, except diffrent colors for the controls and panels..
[19:48] <JoshuaL> and the nm-applet icon stays the same
[19:49] <vish> JoshuaL: panel background changed and the icon is still showing disconnect...
[19:49] <vish> odd , then not the same bug :D
[19:49] <JoshuaL> ok
[19:50] <JoshuaL> vish, however now (i guess) found another bug. the theme changes all of the sudden in a theme named Custom with some weird mixes of the previous theme
[19:51] <vish> JoshuaL: sometimes it happens , when not all the theme settings change it shows custom , try selecting the theme again it will be correct now
[19:51] <vish> or if the change is not quick too it shows custom..
[19:51] <JoshuaL> vish, then it still uses the wrong borders :)
[19:52] <JoshuaL> no mather what theme i select (except Radiance)
[19:57] <charlie-tca> vish is good with themes and stuff. He knows how to fix things
[20:00] <JoshuaL> cant record it with istanbul, results in a crash too lol
[20:03] <vish> JoshuaL: just try changing the window borders manually , some remnant setting in your .gnome folder might be messing things :s
[20:05] <JoshuaL> vish, it was an clean install
[20:05] <JoshuaL> vish, the theme i use now works fine, thought it might affect other people too
[20:05] <vish> JoshuaL: hrm , changing the window border manually also does not change the theme border?
[20:07] <JoshuaL> vish, that seems to work, it keeps remembering the window border from the old theme (only the default ubuntu themes installed)
[20:12] <kc7zzv> I'm trying collect information about bug 601159 using apport, but the bug I'm reporting causes the ethernet card to not work.  I can fix the ethernet card with a workaround, but I'm worried that will change the information apport will collect.  Any advice?
[20:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601159 in linux (Ubuntu) "e1000 ethernet port intermitently works (affects: 1) (heat: 119)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601159
[20:12] <kc7zzv> Also, is this the right place to ask?
[20:12] <vish> !debugging
[20:12] <ubot2> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[20:13] <vish> kc7zzv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager  , might be helpful
[20:13] <hggdh> kc7zzv: you can always wait until you have the issue, and then collect the data; then reconnect, and upload it
[20:14] <vish> hggdh: did you get my earlier ping? about the help > report bug item being removed?
[20:14] <vish> we should update the reply templates..
[20:15] <hggdh> vish: hum. Do not remember, can you summarise it again?
[20:15] <hggdh> what about the reply templates?
[20:15] <JoshuaL> vish, do you think my issue is a bug or just an individual issue which i need to solve myself? :)
[20:16] <vish> hggdh: for this > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20without%20a%20package  we mention to use Help > Report a problem
[20:16] <hggdh> oh, but there is no report a problem currently
[20:16] <hggdh> is that it?
[20:16] <vish> yup
[20:17] <vish> JoshuaL: the window border issue? you can file a bug ..
[20:17] <hggdh> vish: yeah, let's remove this reference, good point
[20:17] <micahg> hggdh: well, it's removed from the stable releases
[20:17] <vish> JoshuaL: but wouldnt hold my breath :)
[20:17] <hggdh> micahg: yes -- that's what I meant. But it is so frequently misused...
[20:18] <JoshuaL> vish, ill do a bug report and see what it brings me. any suggestions for a summary (and what package it should be reported against)
[20:18] <micahg> hggdh: which is why I think they disabled it in stable releases :)
[20:18] <hggdh> like a firefox bug -- it is ffox cuz they used the ffox report-a-problem
[20:18] <micahg> which is about to disappear in Lucid :)
[20:18] <hggdh> :-)
[20:18] <vish> JoshuaL: gnome-setting-daemon
[20:19] <JoshuaL> vish, ok ty :)
[20:19] <vish> JoshuaL: gnome-settings-daemon , missed a "s"
[20:19] <JoshuaL> vish, :)
[20:19] <hggdh> micahg: so my view is that if it did not work, let's completely take it out (otherwise we will have to say 'if on a dev release... otherwise ...'
[20:20] <vish> heh , if someone is using a dev release let them learn ubuntu-bug *atleast*
[20:20] <hggdh> vish: +1
[20:20] <micahg> hggdh: yeah, I guess is makes sense, we want to push people towards ubuntu-bug or answers.lp
[20:21] <JoshuaL> vish, got an idea for a nice summary due my limited english :(
[20:21] <hggdh> yeah. COOL! I got two to agree with me!
[20:21]  * hggdh is getting unused to find agreement
[20:22]  * vish yay! removes line
[20:22] <charlie-tca> vish: +1 ont he dev release
[20:22] <charlie-tca> they shouldn't be using it if they can't learn that
[20:23] <hggdh> wow. now 3 aqree with my views!
[20:23] <hggdh> or perhaps *I* am the one agreeing with them?
[20:23] <hggdh> hum
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I thought it was just me
[20:23] <vish> JoshuaL: "theme settings do not apply fully" , but first search for any similar bugs :)
[20:24]  * hggdh goes to think about philosophy impact in the world
[20:24] <JoshuaL> vish, i will of course, thanks :)
[20:25] <sense> micahg: I'm thinking about proposing a UDS-N session about Answers as primary bug inlet, but not sure where to start the discussion about such a sesison.
[20:26] <micahg> sense: no, answers is for support, bugs is for bugs
[20:26] <sense> micahg: But most bugs are support requests for writing a proper defect report, and when people have a bug they also often want to know how to handle the thing around it: the report itself, the workaround, etc
[20:26] <charlie-tca> That will really make a mess of it, sense
[20:27] <charlie-tca> We will be the ones having to make all those questions into bugs
[20:27] <micahg> sense: that's why we removed the report a problem link from stable releases
[20:27] <hggdh> but we really should think about scaling the current process
[20:28] <hggdh> it dos not scale well -- see #ubuntu
[20:28] <sense> charlie-tca: it might make a mess, but it would also make it possible for many more people (LoCos) to help. It would limit the inflow of useless bugs to Malone
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Forums, IRC, mailing lists are all for the questions of how to, bug reports are not. We should not double the triage work to reflect it is
[20:28] <sense> charlie-tca: A lot of bug reports are questions of how to, though.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Can't locos learn to triage?
[20:28] <micahg> sense: not too many bugs filed against malone anymore
[20:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: nah, they're too crazy :-)
[20:29] <vish> we already have "get help online" which points to answers.lp , the only problem i see is translations..
[20:29] <vish> sense: push for lp translations instead :)
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Let them look at the bugs and turn them into questions, if that is what they are.
[20:30] <charlie-tca> If you turn all bug reports into questions first, you better find twice as many bug triage people to handle it
[20:31] <micahg> sense: this should have been mostly fixed since report a problem was removed from the stable release except for Firefox which will be fixed soon
[20:31] <sense> micahg: That doesn't stop people from going to Launchpad to file the bug there.
[20:31] <JoshuaL> vish, charlie-tca thanks for the help :D
[20:31] <micahg> sense: that's why we disabled the report a bug link except for bug control members
[20:32] <yofel> sense: but that will at least show them the 'howtoreport' page
[20:32] <charlie-tca> You already have a shortage of people to sort the bugs out. Why add to that workload. The real answer is to get the information out to the users, not give them bad advice when it comes to filing a real bug.
[20:32] <sense> micahg: and there are a lot of those bugs coming from people running the development release, which does have Apport enabled.
[20:32] <sense> charlie-tca: I do agree with you that migrating to Answers could cause a horrible mess and a lot of work for the people who provide support.
[20:32] <vish> charlie-tca: teach to fish! +1
[20:33] <sense> So if we would ever do such a thing we should be very careful.
[20:33] <micahg> sense: I think we've done all we can in that regard, we need ways for people to file real bugs, that's ubuntu-bug, the fact that people don't DTRT is an education issue
[20:33] <yofel> sense: how is apport not enabled in the devel release?
[20:33] <yofel> erm, nvm
[20:33] <yofel> I'm getting tired
[20:33] <sense> yofel: So am I. ;)
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Careful is the wrong thing here! teach the users what to use, instead of teaching them to use the wrong tool for the job.
[20:35] <charlie-tca> +1 micahg
[20:37] <yofel> bdmurray: can you resync the gm script responses with the new one btw? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20without%20a%20package
[20:39] <JoshuaL> i always use apport-bug to report a bug
[20:40] <yofel> JoshuaL: ubuntu-bug is a linkt to apport-bug so they're exactly the same
[20:40] <yofel> *link
[20:40] <JoshuaL> ah ok :D
[20:44] <vish> we need to edit this as well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:44] <vish> "Use the menu - try this first!" hehe!
[20:45] <JoshuaL> lol
[20:45] <JoshuaL> I find it easier to ask for help here, makes it easier to explain my situation :)
[20:59] <kc7zzv> I'm trying to collect information for a bug report, but the bug is causing my internet connection not to work.  I tried using "apport-cli -f -p linux -u 601159" but it's telling me "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package".  Is this because I'm using the 10.10 nightly build?
[21:01] <yofel> kc7zzv: tried running apt-get update?
[21:01] <vish> kc7zzv: did you download the mainline kernel?
[21:01] <kc7zzv> kc7zzv: I didn't get the mainline kernel yet.  That's my next step.
[21:01] <yofel> apport really needs to get a more detailed error message :/
[21:02] <kc7zzv> vish: Should I be doing that first?
[21:02] <vish> kc7zzv: nah , just wondering since the message mentioned  "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[21:02] <vish> bug 601159
[21:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601159 in linux (Ubuntu) "e1000 ethernet port intermitently works (affects: 1) (heat: 119)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601159
[21:03] <yofel> kc7zzv: just to make sure that's not an issue with apport, what does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)' give you?
[21:04] <kc7zzv> yofel: The problem happens about 50% of the time.  Should I reboot, run "apt-get update" and then get the bug again?
[21:05] <yofel> kc7zzv: apport requires you to use a kernel that is available in the archive, like right now in maverick -13 is an obsolete kernel since -14 is available in the archive
[21:06] <micahg> bug 562964 is probably it
[21:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 562964 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package" message is misleading (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 39)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562964
[21:06] <yofel> right
[21:07] <kc7zzv> vish: Installed: 2.6.35-14.19 \n Candidate: 2.6.35-14.19 \n Version table: \n *** 2.6.35-14.19 0 \n 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[21:08] <yofel> that's right except for the missing mirror line, like '500 http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/ubuntu/ maverick/main Packages' and thus apport fails, try to refresh the package cache
[21:08] <yofel> ... somehow
[21:08] <kc7zzv> With "apt-get update"?
[21:09] <yofel> yes
[21:09] <kc7zzv> Ok.  It may take me a few reboots to get it working.  I'll get back to you.
[21:10] <micahg> yofel: that won't help, that's not the issue
[21:10] <micahg> the issue is the one I linked to
[21:10] <micahg> in that once a package is obsoleted, the message is misleading
[21:10] <bdmurray> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-qa/canonical-qa-tracking/main/annotate/head%3A/gm-xml-files/bugsquad-replies.xml
[21:13] <kc7zzv> micahg: So if that bug is the problem, my problem with apport should be fixed after "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade"?
[21:14] <micahg> kc7zzv: no
[21:15] <micahg> kc7zzv: well, if you upgrade to the new kernel maybe
[21:16] <kc7zzv> Because if I run "apt-get upgrade" won't I them be using what ever superseded my current package?
[21:16] <kc7zzv> Sorry, I know a bit about Linux, but not much about
[21:16] <kc7zzv> *about Ubuntu.
[21:17] <hggdh> kc7zzv: if you upgrade, yes, you would be using the current linux-image (to keep in with your issue)
[21:17] <yofel> micahg: it should fix it in this case as -14 is the newest kernel, it's just that his package cache doesn't reflect that
[21:18] <yofel> bdmurray: will you change it or should I change it and file a merge request?
[21:20] <kc7zzv> yofel: Running "apt-get update" fixed it.  Thanks.
[21:20] <yofel> np
[21:35] <bdmurray> yofel: I'm at debconf at the moment so a merge proposal would be quicker
[21:35] <yofel> ok, will do
[21:36] <bdmurray> yofel: great, thanks
[21:38] <kc7zzv> yofel: Ok.  I've got the apport, and I uploaded it with ubuntu-bug, but it doesn't remember that I told apport-cli that it's an existing bug, and when I click "Yes, this is the bug I'm trying to report"
[21:39] <kc7zzv> it throws away the report instead of adding it to the bug.
[21:39] <hggdh> kc7zzv: how did you run ubuntu-bug? Exact command, please
[21:40] <kc7zzv> "ubuntu-bug /tmp/apport.linux-image-2.6.35-14-generic.UV_yqM.apport"
[21:41] <hggdh> kc7zzv: yes, this will create a new bug
[21:42] <hggdh> hum
[21:42]  * hggdh refuses, right now, to look at the code
[21:42] <kc7zzv> hggdh: I don't think it did create a new bug because I told bugs.launchpad.net that this is an existing bug.
[21:43] <hggdh> kc7zzv: it *would* create a new bug
[21:44] <hggdh> kc7zzv: try ubuntu-bug -u <bug#> -c <crashFile>
[21:44] <hggdh> not sure it will work
[21:44]  * hggdh now goes to look at the code
[21:50] <kc7zzv> hggdh: The program didn't complain, but it doesn't seem to be using the bug report.
[21:50] <hggdh> kc7zzv: yeah, I sort of expected that
[21:50] <hggdh> did it update the bug?
[21:51] <kc7zzv> I didn't send it because the bug isn't happening right now so dmesg is wrong.  Should I send it?
[21:53] <hggdh> I am not sure there is a way of updating a bug with a saved report... we might need a bug against apport on that
[21:55] <kc7zzv> What about creating a new bug and copying the information from the old.  Then setting the old bug as a duplicate?
[22:02] <kc7zzv> hggdh: Can you think of a better way?
[22:03] <hggdh> kc7zzv: just open a new bug, and refer to the old one. This is better
[22:04] <hggdh> oops. Gone
[22:05] <kc7zzv> hggdh: What?
[22:06] <yofel> [23:03:50] <hggdh> kc7zzv: just open a new bug, and refer to the old one. This is better
[22:06] <kc7zzv> Ah.  Thanks.
[22:24] <hggdh> kc7zzv: even more because the kernel team would rather have individual bugs, and then they will weed out duplicates
[22:25] <hggdh> it is not that easy to have the exact same configuration
[22:30] <kc7zzv> hggdh: Ok.  I've got the new bug posted, and both bugs have links to each other.  Now, do I leave the status of the original bug as "Incomplete", or do I change it?
[22:30] <hggdh> kc7zzv: leave the original as is, and yours as New
[22:30] <kc7zzv> hggdh: Does is make a difference if both bugs are mine?
[22:31] <hggdh> oh
[22:32] <hggdh> well, yes. Same issue?
[22:32] <hggdh> kc7zzv: ^
[22:33] <kc7zzv> hggdh: Same issue and same computer.  There's not much information on the first one because at that time, no one could tell me how to upload a apport report if the computer has no internet connection.
[22:34] <hggdh> kc7zzv: then you can close the old bug INVALID (superseeded by the new one)
[22:34] <hggdh> kc7zzv: and thnak you for your patience :-)
[22:35] <kc7zzv> hggdh: Ok.  Thanks.  I have to go now, but I'll get to it later today.
[23:41] <Mathuin> Does anyone know whether the next "bug day" has been scheduled?  The wiki shows the most recent one as July 15 for pidgin.
[23:41] <micahg> Mathuin: when someone organizes one
[23:42] <Mathuin> Okay, so it's when someone gets a bug up their butt, so to speak, not a regularly scheduled monthly/quarterly/whatever sort of thing?
[23:43] <micahg> Mathuin: well, it was almost weekly, but I think people got busy
[23:43] <Mathuin> One of the reasons I switched to Ubuntu was because FreeBSD didn't respond to bugs.  I wanted to set aside calendar time for a bug day to help keep that from happening.
[23:43] <micahg> Mathuin: that's great!, but you don't have to wait for a bug day, find a package you care about, look at the bugs, and come in here and ask questions
[23:45] <Mathuin> The package that inspired me to check in here is Empathy.  The documentation seems a little crazy.  I think it's more a Gnome thing than an Ubuntu thing, though.  What's the best way to reach out to those folks when IRC doesn't seem to be attended?
[23:48] <micahg> Mathuin: bcurtiswx is familiar with empathy
[23:49] <Mathuin> bcurtiswx: if you have any tips on who I can contact to learn more about hopefully helping with the documentation for Empathy, I'd really appreciate it.
[23:59] <Mathuin> The other project on my radar is "screenlets".  The maintenance seems to be spotty and scattered, and there's one particular bug that really affects me, so I'm taking the leap of applying to the dev team in hopes of being able to fix the bug and help with others.  Whee.


[13:39] <Calico> I'm a beginner, anyone know the best guides for Ubuntu?
[13:39] <Calico> I want to learn as much as I can about it
[13:58] <r2d2rogers> Calico: this is a channel for coordinating the local community teams in the US, you might want to try a general support channel like #ubuntu
[14:14] <CrazyLemon> not just in the US :)
[14:14] <r2d2rogers> CrazyLemon: you're right, sorry, I forget I'm logged into both this and ubuntu-us
[14:15] <SergioMeneses> all loCo Teams http://loco.ubuntu.com/


[00:00] <guiverc> jose did... I posted it to twitter but not fb... thus the now, thanks krytarik
[00:01] <Wild_Man> Okay, it is on facebook somewhere? posted from the ubuntu account?
[00:01] <guiverc> just posted it to fb
[00:02] <guiverc> thanks Wild_Man
[00:02] <Wild_Man> Okay, I will share it now, thanks guiverc
[00:02] <guiverc> posting on UF maybe worthwhile, I have no idea if libera went to UF  (I don't post there)
[00:04] <Wild_Man> I run the forums accounts I just have not had the time lately to do much with them
[00:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wild_Man: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[00:19] <Wild_Man> Yes on my end
[00:20] <guiverc> yep clear away
[00:20] <Bashing-om> doing away then with the evidence :P
[00:27] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue 686 :D
[00:37] <Wild_Man> I posted to the forum accounts
[01:13] <guiverc> thanks Wild_Man
[01:45] <Wild_Man> You're welcome guiverc
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[11:44] <cjwatson> wgrant: I'm tempted to just disallow LiveFS:requestBuild for private archives for now, as the issue with visibility of dependencies is going to take a while to get right (it can't all be done in requestBuild and dispatch, because the set of people who can see a LiveFSBuild might change later).  Does that make sense to you?
[11:45] <cjwatson> PES are likely to need it, but not immediately.
[11:50] <wgrant> cjwatson: Agreed.
[11:50] <wgrant> The virtualizedness is the bigger problem.
[11:50] <cjwatson> Haven't got to that yet; working through your review in order ...
[11:50] <wgrant> Oh
[11:50] <wgrant> You're in for an unpleasant surprise :)
[11:55] <cjwatson> Well, it's a problem for opening it up to wider groups such as PES
[11:56] <cjwatson> It's not particularly a problem with the pretty restricted set of people who can create/edit livefses/livefsbuilds at the moment
[11:57] <wgrant> That's true, but it might indicate that this model is fatally flawed.
[11:57] <cjwatson> I want to say that only people who can upload to some devirtualised archive should be able to request livefsbuilds, although most requests will be done by a bot user
[11:57] <wgrant> Though I guess the consumers are few enough that we can easily change it later.
[11:58] <wgrant> Right, that might be a sensible rule.
[11:58] <cjwatson> Sorry, should be able to request livefsbuilds for a devirt archive, I mean
[11:59] <cjwatson> (actually not a problem for PES, since they basically all have access to devirt archives already)
[23:47] <cjwatson> wgrant: So a "has any permission on any devirt archive" query is simple enough; what would you think of artificially giving ~ubuntu-cdimage-robot a devirt PPA just so that it passes this test and can run our normal image builds?
[23:47] <cjwatson> It would keep the code simple at the cost of a bit of deployment WTF
[23:49] <wgrant> cjwatson: Have you thought about a proper long-term solution for this? I haven't managed to come up with one.
[23:49] <wgrant> The cross-archive permission query isn't sustainable long-term, so I'm hoping we aren't backing ourselves into a corner here.
[23:50] <cjwatson> Long-term I'd hope we can do all livefs builds in scalingstack ...
[23:50] <wgrant> True, but it's similar in many ways to the privacy issue.
[23:51] <wgrant> But for the immediate term, that workaround sounds reasonable.
[23:51] <cjwatson> The simplest alternative that comes to mind is to have livefs virtualisation be an admin-settable property of some kind, rather than deriving it.
[23:51] <wgrant> Yup, but that doesn't solve the privacy issue which is basically the same problem.
[23:52] <cjwatson> We'd then have to disallow building a given devirt LiveFS against a virt archive.
[23:52] <cjwatson> Maybe it would simplify things if you were likewise not allowed to build a public LiveFS against a private Archive.
[23:53] <cjwatson> The same kind of way a public Archive isn't allowed to have a private ArchiveDependency.
[23:53] <cjwatson> So we could just say that if you're building against a private Archive then the LiveFS owner has to match.
[23:53] <wgrant> The ArchiveDependency situation is just marginally less bad than what was there before (no restriction).
[23:54] <wgrant> Right, I'd suggest that owner of the dependent object should have to be able to see the archive.
[23:54] <wgrant> At build-time.
[23:54] <wgrant> But for private PPAs that has to be slightly stricter.
[23:55] <wgrant> Possibly the LiveFS owner must have upload permissions
[23:55] <cjwatson> Requiring identity would mean that we don't have to worry about what happens if somebody gets added to one side or the other.
[23:55] <wgrant> Which then also solves the virtness issue, so I've been wondering if we can reasonably make that a normalr estriction.
[23:55] <cjwatson> For build logs later.
[23:55] <wgrant> True.
[23:56] <cjwatson> Any permission rather than just upload permission would be a bit easier logistically.
[23:56] <cjwatson> But it winds up much the same.
[23:57] <wgrant> You mean ArchivePermission, I assume
[23:57] <wgrant> ie. some kind of write access
[23:57] <cjwatson> Yes
[23:58] <wgrant> That's what I intended, yeah
[23:58] <wgrant> But "any permission" could be misconstrued to include ArchiveSubscriber, which is how ArchiveDependencies are now I think.
[23:58] <wgrant> Maybe?
[23:58] <wgrant> Anyway.
[23:58] <cjwatson> It potentially restricts our ability to use new teams for LiveFSes, but maybe that's OK
[23:59] <cjwatson> I'm just a bit worried about having to add ArchivePermissions for new teams to Ubuntu in order to be able to build livefses
[23:59] <cjwatson> For non-distro archives, whatever


[01:29] <bazhang> iToast appears to be trollin
[01:29] <bazhang> augh trolling
[01:31] <rww> ahahahahahahahaha
[01:31] <rww> ahahahahahhahahahahahahahaah
[01:31] <rww> https://privatepaste.com/10a4915072/e5ghsrthrhrth
[01:32] <bazhang> from ##linux ?
[01:33] <rww> no, from #debian as it says :P
 Knoppix would be the best server
[01:33] <rww> oh god, I just realized he included -d
[01:33] <rww> double facepalm!
[01:33] <bazhang> hehe
[01:33] <rww> although i guess it would actually make sense in a twisted sort of way
[01:40] <pangolin> what was the point of private pasting that?
[01:41] <bazhang> illustrate how he is trolling elsewhere
[01:41] <bazhang> known as "evidence"
[01:41] <pangolin> but it isn't so private in this channel :)
[01:42] <pangolin> and was he trolling or trying to help? granted it was not helpful.
[01:42] <pangolin> but not knowing the correct answer is far from trolling.
[01:42] <bazhang> he was linked to the guide, refused to read it, went on and on, was asked to stop.
[01:43] <bazhang> multiple sources of evidence of exactly that: trolling
[01:43] <pangolin> ok, so he doesn't read or listen to instructions that imo does not make him a troll
[01:45] <pangolin> I see trolling as doing exactly what he does BUT with malicious intent. I do not believe he is malicious.
[01:46] <elky> well intentioned trolls are still trolls
[01:46] <bazhang> timewaster/troll whatever
[01:47] <pangolin> maybe my definition of troll differs
[01:47] <bazhang> he had zero intention in following up with sammy's very helpful instructions, and was getting into a high dudgeon about something or other
[01:47] <bazhang> just as he has repeatedly in other places, same exact behavior.
[01:48] <elky> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/anatomy-of-a-well-intentioned-linux-troll-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-penguin/
[01:51] <bazhang> heh nice link.
[01:51] <bazhang> now hitting #archlinux, exact same things
[01:52] <bazhang> so not well intentioned at all.
[01:53] <bazhang> any idea what antihoax's script does?
[01:57] <rww> pangolin: because privatepaste isn't Google-indexed, and I don't like Google-indexed IRC logs
 What would  have to do to change all the load bars to nyancat?
[02:14] <ldunn> hah
[02:15] <ldunn> I've seen that done on Windows actually. It's awful :(
 can anyone help me install glibc
[02:58] <bazhang> that can't be good
[02:59] <elky> ...
[03:32] <rww> I have never seen a mention of glibc in #ubuntu end well. Ever.
[03:39] <elky> because it can't.
[03:39] <elky> see also ESR
[06:43] <bazhang> wonder how many variations on "girly" or "kitty" we'll get today
[06:43] <bazhang> 5 yesterday
[06:50] <bazhang> nrdb spreading disinfo
 redhare, I have a windows dual boot here... it works fine... if you ever need to reinstall window it will wipe the Linux partition thou.
[06:54] <jussi> bazhang: could be slight misinformation and he means grub
[06:54] <bazhang> jussi, no he meant the entire partition
[06:54] <jussi> heh, weird
[06:57] <jussi> rww: you are insanely sane
[06:57] <jussi> :)
[06:57] <bazhang> he's also Franc
[06:57] <bazhang> check logs for some sample of his commentary
[06:58] <bazhang> or I can provide. ikonia is 100% blameless
[06:58] <rww> We had a wonderful long PM discussion yesterday.
[06:58] <rww> M4dH4TT3r and I, that is.
[06:59] <jussi> bazhang: just reading out of context that could look horrible :P (rww is franc? )
[07:00] <bazhang> jussi, heh no m4d3h44ter or whatever is franc
[07:04] <rww> oh lol, he's banned from here too.
[07:05] <bazhang> elky, said to remove it today
[07:06] <bazhang> its gone rww
[07:06] <pangolin> ban removed but not engaging in conversation with them
[07:06] <rww> thanks
[07:06] <bazhang> I will if he comes
[07:08] <M4dH4TT3r> can i get unbanned
[07:08] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: hello
[07:08] <M4dH4TT3r> hi
[07:08] <M4dH4TT3r> how r u today?
[07:09] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: Why would you expect me to remove the ban? how can I know that you will keep to the rules of the channel, especially when you didnt follow thew advice of the operators?
[07:10] <M4dH4TT3r> i did follow the advice of the "operators"
[07:10] <M4dH4TT3r> just not of one perticular operator
[07:10] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: both rww and I asked you to part and join here to discuss the ban, you didnt do that.
[07:11] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[07:11] <M4dH4TT3r> i was banned from here
[07:11] <M4dH4TT3r> i had to msg rww to get here
[07:12] <M4dH4TT3r> so can i get unbanned?
[07:14] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: I need to run to a quick meeting, you can talk to bazhang or wait for a few
[07:14] <M4dH4TT3r> ok ill wait
[07:15] <bazhang> ok
[07:17] <M4dH4TT3r> ha just remember the time i was banned for not using complete words like you=u because non english speakers (who i wasnt talking to) cant understand me
[07:19] <bazhang> M4dH4TT3r, you wish to proceed or wait for jussi
[07:19] <M4dH4TT3r> or the numerous times my talking about ubuntu wasnt ubuntu related enough
[07:20] <M4dH4TT3r> ill wait
[07:20] <bazhang> ok. please be patient. could be an *IRC* five minutes
[07:20] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[07:20] <M4dH4TT3r> k
[07:22] <M4dH4TT3r> im gonna go make a sandwich ill brb
[07:31] <M4dH4TT3r> back
[07:31] <M4dH4TT3r> damn that was good
[07:31] <M4dH4TT3r> ma sent me the home canned jellys
[07:32] <M4dH4TT3r> been a long time since i had a oregon apple jelly sandwich
[07:37] <rww> !kde
[07:37] <rww> not an improvement, imho
[07:37] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[07:38] <ldunn> ... did anything even change?
[07:38] <M4dH4TT3r> it atleast removes names and makes it more a anwser then a heresay
[07:38] <ldunn> oh she added some sillies.
[07:38] <rww> ldunn: there's more words
[07:38] <rww> and a PPA link
[07:38] <ldunn> Yer.
[07:39] <M4dH4TT3r> i think the second one is better
[07:42] <M4dH4TT3r> although it doesnt mention startx the only other command they woulod really need to get started
[07:42] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: Hi. Im now back
[07:42] <M4dH4TT3r> ok
[07:42] <M4dH4TT3r> how was your meeting
[07:42] <M4dH4TT3r> did you have fun?
[07:44] <M4dH4TT3r> ?
[07:44] <M4dH4TT3r> did you try releasing your name
[07:44] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: it was ok, now, back to your problem
[07:44] <M4dH4TT3r> ahh can i be unbanned please
[07:46] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: Ive been thinking about it. Since you have had quite a few issues in the recent past, Im not going to unban you right at this moment. However, feel free to drop by in about 2 weeks and have another chat with me then.
[07:46] <M4dH4TT3r> yes but if its cross platform that onmly works for lixux
[07:47] <M4dH4TT3r> u kidding jussi i waited about a year came back and the same op banned me
[07:48] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: and you havent behaved particularly well since you came back, so lets talk again in a few weeks.
[07:48] <M4dH4TT3r> and i would also recommend a program called "dos shell" it makes using dos box much simpler and remembers your settings for various applications
[07:48] <M4dH4TT3r> um yeah i have
[07:48] <M4dH4TT3r> i try to get support i get banned
[07:48] <M4dH4TT3r> end of story
[07:49] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: the conversations in here and elsewhere in the last few days say rather differently.
[07:49] <M4dH4TT3r> what happens after im banned is irrelavent
[07:49] <elky> no it's not.
[07:49] <M4dH4TT3r> as it doesnt apply to the ban
[07:49] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: Seriously, if you need support in next few weeks, askubuntu.com is actually pretty good
[07:50] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: what you say to us after the ban affects the ban, yes.
[07:50] <M4dH4TT3r> thats like convicting someone of murder because he got in a fight while in jail
[07:50] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: no, not really.
[07:50] <M4dH4TT3r> yes exactly
[07:50] <ldunn> It's more like not giving him time off for good behaviour, I think
[07:50] <rww> if you kill someone in jail, you go through the court system again and get sentenced for murder, fyi.
[07:51] <M4dH4TT3r> i didnt say the person was killed in jail
[07:51] <jussi> In anycase, the ban stands for at least 2 weeks.
[07:51] <M4dH4TT3r> and i dont do forums
[07:51] <elky> Threatening to gang rape your warden isn't likely to end well for you if you're in jail.
[07:52] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[07:52] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: show us that you can behave, and we can talk about it again in a few weeks.
[07:53] <gry> M4dH4TT3r: i think you may be asked to leave this channel soon (as a part of this 'you can behave' drill)
[07:54] <jussi> M4dH4TT3r: Im attempting to give you a fair go, but you need to follow the instructions Ive given if its to work.
[07:54] <Franc> gry i was actually just about to leave of my own accord
[07:55] <Franc> thanks jussi
[07:55] <jussi> Franc: so now if you would, please /part
[07:55] <Franc> ohh and what channel ban are we referring to here?
[07:56] <jussi> Franc: lets take it one step at a time - #ubuntu-offtopic ban for now.
[07:56] <Franc> id rather not /part and just close the tab instead ;)
[07:56] <Franc> k
[07:56] <Franc> i dont think i even ever did anything there so ok
[08:11] <bazhang> feel free to follow up with Franc et al in #kubuntu ; I have given him many links w/workarounds with his issue.
[13:01] <bazhang> umadbro is lindalovelace from earlier ?
[13:02] <pangolin>  umadbro is now known as asdjaputra
[13:02] <pangolin> I don't think he is lindalovelace
[13:02] <bazhang> ah right
 but it appears ubuntu's motto is broken
[13:18] <bazhang> YEP!
[13:24] <elky> mhm
[13:25] <bazhang> got him in PM; he seems to confuse The Hulk with Hulk Hogan the wrestler
[13:36] <bazhang> matlock's issue does not add up
 = Merdam gnaa of some repute
[13:43] <bazhang> ban forward to ##llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
[13:44] <pangolin> hah
[13:44] <Tm_T> bazhang: village in Wales?
[13:45] <bazhang> Tm_T, seen -ot the last five minutes or so?
[13:46] <Tm_T> not really
[13:46] <Tm_T> ah, funny
[13:47] <bazhang> he's just about to start something bad
[13:48] <topyli> yes
[13:48] <pangolin> I see this going to some racist bull
[13:48] <topyli> yep
[13:48] <bazhang> witness his comments earlier about pickaninnies and some negroes are smart
[13:48] <bazhang> whoop s not in -ot
[13:49] <topyli> it's coming. i have warned him but it will come
[13:50] <bazhang> staff have him on highlight or something
[13:51] <topyli> pre-emptive i know, but i think we were right
[13:51] <bazhang> not at all. he was asked to stop spamming that many minutes ago
[13:51] <pangolin> nothing pre-emptive about it, known troll.
[13:52] <bazhang> by many users
[14:40] <mneptok> picatinnies on rails!
[14:53] <pangolin> Seeker`: :)
[14:53] <pangolin> How are you and how can I help?
[14:53] <Seeker`> mmmwow, thats how long its been since my shell went down, this place is still on autojoin :O
[14:53] <pangolin> hehe
[15:01] <Myrtti> pft.
[15:09] <Seeker`> sorry, have finally managed to work out which channel is which, will run away now. o/
[15:35] <popey>  helolo ikonia
[15:35] <popey> or hello
[15:43]  * Tm_T huggles ikonia
[16:20] <pangolin> !guidelines >  Guest75060
[16:20] <urlin2u> check the 3ubuntu thread
[16:20] <pangolin> !coc >  Guest75060
[16:20] <Myrtti> the what thread?
[16:21] <Tm_T> 3ubuntu
[16:21] <Pici> thread?
[16:21] <urlin2u> channel sorry I see a address here of the person
[16:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> i assume someone's monitoring #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:21] <pangolin> I think urlin2u meant  Guest75060
[16:21] <urlin2u> yes
[16:22] <Pici> The one that pangolin already took care of?
[16:22] <pangolin> happened at the same time as he joined here
[16:22] <pangolin> urlin2u: they are muted for now.
[16:22] <Pici> Huh?
[16:22] <urlin2u> it was simultaneous, you all are fast.:D
[16:23] <pangolin> Pici: I muted  Guest75060 and url joined here at the same time to tell us about it
[16:23] <Myrtti> I fail to see what's wrong with the current discussion in -ot
[16:23] <Pici> It looks like about a minute later here.
[16:23] <Myrtti> also: I need food
[16:38] <mneptok> badly.
[16:38] <jussi> Im cold
[16:40] <mneptok> i'm tired. but no sleep for me, busy day. this afternoon i have to descend the staircase of utter madness and touch the mind of an ancient, indescribable horror. and do some laundry.
[16:40]  * knome huggles jussi - better?
[16:41] <jussi> mneptok: wait what??? next youll be joining #ubuntu-ops-team... its a slippery slope my friend... a slippery slope...
[16:41] <jussi> mneptok: and also, since WHEN did you do laundry?
[17:28] <oCean> wow
 im trying to save the kids
[22:36] <bazhang> advertising his android app
[22:40] <bazhang> * wartrend<EMAIL_ADDRESS> <---- badident ?
[22:43] <knome> mm
[23:00] <bazhang> I dislike the attempted rationale for crossposting, or posting in the busier channel (it didnot work on the current version either!)
[23:03] <bazhang> rocket raid 2640 <---- compile that?
[23:03] <bazhang> doctari, hi
 it's entirely too much headache for a desktop, especially java and flash   <--- on 64 bit
[23:58] <bazhang> * TrollingMonster   <--- senses tingling


[18:55] <MrFixIt> Does anyone know the proper way to restart all the backend processes for evolution?
[18:57] <MrFixIt> or more specifically what do I need to do with systemctl to restart the backend evolution processes?


[04:02] <stlsaint> hey folks
[04:02] <terrorinbio> hi stlsaint
[04:02] <stlsaint> terrorinbio: hey, im thinking of running kvm in lubuntu, whaddayathink?
[04:03] <terrorinbio> I'm not a fan of virtual machines, I can deal with Xen but others ;)
[04:04] <stlsaint> um i meant more along the lines of stability, etc not personal preference :P
[04:05] <terrorinbio> are you going to provide virtual servers to people or what
[04:06] <stlsaint> naw, personal stuff mostly, learning really
[04:07] <terrorinbio> that's only way to learn those things
[04:08] <stlsaint> terrorinbio: what drives me bonkers is that i have a server with 8 processors but cant run kvm, but my little duo core processor with 2GB ram can run it above average according to kvm site!! smh
[04:10] <terrorinbio> why your 8 core computer cant run it?
[04:10] <stlsaint> doesnt have AMD-V
[04:10] <terrorinbio> which CPU it has?
[04:10] <terrorinbio> phenom-III?
[04:11] <terrorinbio> or what those are
[04:11] <stlsaint> i forget, i will look up later, server is off right now
[04:13] <terrorinbio> stlsaint, you could run vmware esx(i)
[04:13] <terrorinbio> :D
[04:14] <stlsaint> i am not paying for anything
[04:15] <terrorinbio> https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi&lp=1&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQFjAB&url=http://www.vmware.com/go/getesxi&rct=j&q=vmware%20esxi&ei=4NgrTYigJs30sgbSqMT7Bw&usg=AFQjCNE8uWZXsiHLNDrxIVpFIEtLDhCB-A&sig2=RIVDsWaHQKhT0OuMvHmADg
[04:15] <terrorinbio> nice url, but says it's free
[04:15] <stlsaint> terrorinbio: yea the trial stuff is
[04:17] <terrorinbio> there's a free version and 60 days evaluate version
[04:17] <stlsaint> orly?
[04:17] <stlsaint> where is free version?
[04:17] <terrorinbio> https://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/
[04:19] <stlsaint> hrm, interesting
[04:19] <stlsaint> brb
[09:38] <bhat> hi.. the power button does not shutdown my lubuntu 10.10
[09:39] <bhat> I ran acpi as : sudo bash -c "acpid -d -l &"
[09:39] <bhat> and then when I press power button I get: acpid: action exited with status 0
[09:39] <bhat> acpid: 1 total rule matched
[09:39] <bhat> acpid: completed input layer event "button/power PBTN 00000080 00000000"
[09:39] <bhat> acpid: received input layer event "button/power PBTN 00000080 00000000"
[09:39] <bhat> acpid: rule from /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn matched
[09:39] <bhat> acpid: executing action "/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh"
[09:39] <bhat> BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES
[09:40] <bhat> END HANDLER MESSAGES
[09:40] <bhat> acpid: action exited with status 0
[09:40] <bhat> acpid: 1 total rule matched
[09:40] <bhat> acpid: completed input layer event "button/power PBTN 00000080 00000000"
[09:40] <bhat> but my PC is still ON
[09:51] <kbhat> and I have a serious problem with the resuming from hibernate... it hangs
[09:56] <kbhat> does suspend require swap partition?
[09:57] <terrorinbio> hibernation requires
[09:57] <terrorinbio> suspend does not
[10:02] <kbhat> thanks terrorinbio
[10:02] <kbhat> terrorinbio, any idea how shud I troubleshoot the resuming from suspend problem?
[10:03] <terrorinbio> add nomodeset to your bootin parameters in grub
[10:03] <terrorinbio> and check if it's related to KMS
[10:04] <terrorinbio> I had that kind of problem with Dell D600
[10:05] <kbhat> ok, let me try that.. thanks!
[14:22] <Dymaxion_lxde> Hi everybody. First I got to say that Lubuntu is great. I am using it on a 800mhz I got out of the junkyard. What I still didn ' t get is the difference between LXTerminal and the terminal I know from other distributions. Google didn t help me out. Thx in advance
[14:22] <ChrisDruif> Dymaxion_lxde: It's just LXDE
[14:23] <ChrisDruif> 's default Terminal...
[14:23] <Dymaxion_lxde> which means its the same?
[14:23] <ChrisDruif> I don't really know why they created their own :)
[14:23] <Dymaxion_lxde> ic
[14:23] <ChrisDruif> I *does* the same things gnome-terminal, xterm or other virtual console does :)
[14:28] <Dymaxion_lxde> thx. my question was based on a confusing hint on the ubuntu wiki. i will go back to enjoy my Lubuntu-Experience. cu
[14:28] <ChrisDruif> Confusing hints? Which do you mean?
[14:30] <Dymaxion_lxde> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Quote:"Such users may not know how to use command line tools.."
[14:30] <Dymaxion_lxde> I thought it means restricted or something like that
[14:31] <Dymaxion_lxde> but now i am enlightened. thx. sry for my english, I am german :D
[14:32] <ChrisDruif> I'm Dutch so I don't mind O:-)
[14:33] <ChrisDruif> It just suggests that Lubuntu is for normal people, who don't know anything about CLI's and what not...
[14:34] <ChrisDruif> However, the LXTerminal is just that: a terminal for all your command line need :)
[14:38] <Mkaysi> Tip: Don't use Crebs. It changes my lxterminal's background not desktop wallpaper. I have to change colours every 15 minutes :'(
[14:41] <head_victim> phillw: bug 701495, just a heads up for you as I know you use it a lot
[14:42] <ChrisDruif> Mkaysi: uninstall crebs?
[14:42] <Mkaysi> Maybe it works :) I am just too lazy to do it :D
[14:44] <ChrisDruif> xD
[14:44] <ChrisDruif> head_victim: Thanks for the "heads" up xD
[14:48] <head_victim> ChrisDruif: just doing what I can :D
[16:14] <phillw> head_victim: I see that Alan has already confirmed it :)
[16:19] <head_victim> phillw: nice to have friends like that :D
[20:40] <IlEdVal> hello
[20:41] <IlEdVal> i am searching for easy way to browse CIFS network from lubuntu


[02:14] <evilvish> Sarvatt: hey o/
[02:15] <evilvish>  <Sarvatt> I remember him saying his rv515 was freezing on .38
[02:17] <evilvish> Sarvatt: i think i'v narrowed the issue down to kernel .35 , either due to  drm/radeon/kms: add missing copy from user (or) (drop after 2.6.35) drm/radeon/kms: add ioport register access (or) Add support for the ATIF ACPI method to the radeon driver
[02:17] <evilvish> but this random X freeze is really not being easy to catch :s
[04:19] <RAOF> Aah, cargo-culting x86-64 assembler.
[04:19] <RAOF> It's the way of the future :(
[15:05]  * tseliot got "Transfer aborted.  Data connection closed" when uploading a package to a PPA...
[15:07] <Sarvatt> tseliot: try using upload.ubuntu.com instead of ppa.launchpad.net as the fqdn in ~/.dput.cf?
[15:09] <tseliot> Sarvatt: wouldn't this make my package end up in Ubuntu?
[15:09] <Sarvatt> i used to get that a lot from ppa.launchpad.net and switched mine over
[15:09] <tseliot> ah
[15:09] <tseliot> thanks for the tip :)
[15:11] <Sarvatt> tseliot: launchpad might have just gone read only?
[15:12] <Sarvatt> thought i read a mail about maintenance today
[15:12] <Sarvatt> Starts: 09.00 UTC 10th March 2011
[15:12] <Sarvatt> Expected back by: 10.30 UTC 10th March 2011
[15:12] <tseliot> yes, I read that email too
[15:13] <Sarvatt> wonder if they meant EST instead of UTC lol
[15:13] <Sarvatt> nah its up
[15:13] <tjaalton> yeah it was down earlier
[16:31] <Sarvatt> RAOF: forgot to bump debian/videoabiver so all the drivers with old xsfbs in ubuntu-x-swat/ppa think they need abi 9
[16:33] <Sarvatt> (good thing we staged that in a PPA eh?)
[16:34] <tseliot> that was the idea ;)
[16:35] <tjaalton> changes were not pushed to git, so hard to review them
[16:35] <tseliot> ah
[16:36] <tjaalton> though it's a bit late to complain about that :)
[17:15] <codemagician> bjsnider, hi. I'm still getting crashes using the Nouvea drivers
[17:16] <codemagician> bjsnider, i get an error in the logs "Detected GPU lockup"
[17:29] <bjsnider> codemagician, are you starting to believe you made a bad choice of video cards?
[17:32] <codemagician> bjsnider, i thought you had the same card?
[17:32] <bjsnider> i have the same gpu, but a different card
[17:33] <codemagician> bjsnider, do you think its hardware related or software?
[17:33] <codemagician> or maybe something is corrupt with my install
[17:34] <bjsnider> yes to all 3
[17:34] <codemagician> what's the best approach to solving this
[17:35] <soreau> Sarvatt: ping?
[17:36] <Sarvatt> soreau: heya, whats up?
[17:36] <soreau> There is a bug in xorg-edgers repo that breaks xv on r3-5xx cards. Installing ddx master manually fixes the issue.
[17:36] <Sarvatt> natty?
[17:36] <soreau> The problem is that there is a colored pattern of green and pink when playing xv video in any player
[17:37] <soreau> No, 10.10
[17:37] <soreau> I have this issue ob rv350 and someone else has it on x600
[17:37] <soreau> on*
[17:37] <Sarvatt> dropped maverick in there because I can't keep up with the updates on top of work so it hasn't been updated in quite some time :(
[17:37] <soreau> Aw :/
[17:37] <Sarvatt> sounds like it was fixed upstream in the ddx though
[17:37] <soreau> Yea upstream is fine
[17:38] <Sarvatt> i'll update it real quick
[17:38] <soreau> Is there any way we could update it at least until natty official release?
[17:38] <soreau> Thank you Sarvatt
[17:40] <soreau> But, I thought all these updates were automated ..
[17:41] <Sarvatt> they can't be automated anymore for maverick and earlier because the packaging has changed so much in natty
[17:41] <soreau> Oh wow
[17:42] <soreau> Yea a lot of stuff is changing
[17:42] <soreau>  *cough*unity implemented with compiz*cough*
[17:47] <Sarvatt> hmm, it might not even have built for longer than I thought on maverick, what version are you using?
[17:50] <soreau> Sarvatt: version of what?
[17:51] <Sarvatt> ati
[17:51] <Sarvatt> the last few uploads of it on maverick failed to build
[17:51] <soreau> hm
[17:51] <soreau> I have master currently installed..
[17:51] <soreau> let me see what's in the repo
[17:52] <soreau> ii  xserver-xorg-video-ati                 1:6.14.99+git20110214.a9a59717-0ubuntu0sarvatt2~maverick
[17:54] <Sarvatt> soreau: ok new one uploaded, hopefully it works!
[17:55]  * soreau tries
[18:04] <soreau> Sarvatt: I see no updates with apt-get update/upgrade
[18:04] <soreau> from xorg-edgers
[18:04] <soreau> Does it take awhile?
[18:06] <Sarvatt> yeah probably 45 minutes or so on average
[18:06] <Sarvatt> looking now
[18:06] <Sarvatt> i386 should be published but amd64 just started building
[18:09] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, is 1.10 in natty yet?
[18:10] <Sarvatt> not the final 1.10 nope
[18:10] <bjsnider> what's the delay?
[18:12] <Sarvatt> needs a FFe and testing
[18:12] <Sarvatt> it's ~50 packages, not that minor of an upgrade or anything
[18:13] <bjsnider> well, it's an alpha distro
[18:13] <Sarvatt> RAOF: can you push your xserver 1.10 stuff to git when ya get a chance?
[18:14] <Sarvatt> that doesn't stop the world from ending whenever people can't upgrade for an hour :P
[18:31] <Sarvatt> looks like I need to disable pageflip on my HD 5770 for unity to work too
[18:31] <Sarvatt> oh hmm, it's working after a vt switch and back
[18:33] <Sarvatt> thats only with xorg-edgers, archive is fine
[18:37] <Sarvatt> wow what the heck, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/259219 is affecting software-center now?
[18:37] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 259219 in software-center (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Broken TLS support in libGL.so (affects: 50) (dups: 13) (heat: 148)" [High,Triaged]
[18:59] <Sarvatt> soreau: any luck? i'll try to keep ati in maverick up to date, its mesa and libdrm causing all the headache
[18:59] <soreau> Sarvatt: I take it you haven't been glancing in #radeon
[19:00] <Sarvatt> oh nope, good to hear
[19:00] <soreau> Sarvatt: It's working fine now here too
[19:00] <soreau> (I knew it would, after this update)
[19:01] <soreau> Thanks again :)
[19:04] <Sarvatt> should just backport xserver 1.10 to maverick and pull in all of the changes so it can be updated at the same time, hmm.. it will mess with so many components I have no clue about like utouch though
[19:43] <jcristau> software-center uses GL?
[21:03] <Sarvatt> unity backtraces sure are fun to read http://sarvatt.com/downloads/gdb.txt
[21:45] <Sarvatt> err.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/732809
[21:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 732809 in mesa (Debian) (and 1 other project) "mesa update to 7.10.1-0ubuntu1 breaks ipython matplotlib (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Unknown,New]
[21:46] <jcristau> this seems insane.
[22:00] <RAOF> Sarvatt, jcristau: Not insane; libGL has just been accidentally working for ages.
[22:00] <RAOF> I'd wager that's bug #259219
[22:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 259219 in software-center (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Broken TLS support in libGL.so (affects: 111) (dups: 17) (heat: 214)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259219
[22:02] <RAOF> As far as I can tell, anything that's been dlopening libGL since about mesa 7.0 has been working by accident.
[22:03] <jcristau> and you're saying not using initial-exec doesn't fix it?
[22:04] <RAOF> I can't seem to get gcc to *not* build a TLS_STATIC library.
[22:07] <RAOF> man gcc suggests that PIC should do the trick, but it doesn't appear to.
[22:07] <jcristau> what's TLS_STATIC?
[22:09] <RAOF> There are two TLS models; static and dynamic.  Static is for when you can guarantee that all your symbols will be avaliable at program start time, and does all the TLS initilaisation an allocing there.
[22:09] <RAOF> Dynamic is more dynamic, and works with (among other things) dynamic loading.
[22:09] <Sarvatt> why now? talloc removal?
[22:10] <RAOF> Yup.
[22:10] <RAOF> Well, we're _noticing_ it now becaues libGL now links in libstdc++, which also has some TLS.
[22:11] <RAOF> As you see from that bug, it's always been broken for people using libstdc++ & libGL dynamically.
[22:12] <jcristau> right, ok
[22:14] <jcristau> and does TLS_STATIC flag show up?
[22:15] <jcristau> add 'where' in that sentence
[22:15] <RAOF> Yeah, in the output of readelf.
[22:15] <RAOF> Oooh.
[22:15] <jcristau> ah, DT_FLAGS
[22:15] <RAOF> Loooks like the final mesa build I kicked off actually built with TLS and without TLS_STATIC.
[22:15] <jcristau>   FLAGS                0x0000000000000012
[22:15] <RAOF> Now, to remember precisely what I did there :/
[22:15] <jcristau> and 0x10 is DF_TLS_STATIC.  ok.
[22:18] <RAOF> It appears that throwing -fpic in addition to -fPIC at gcc actually causes it to *not* build TLS_STATIC libraries.
[22:23]  * RAOF verifies this with another build
[22:27] <RAOF> Ah, good.  And a quick check of the other libraries in /usr/lib finds mesa libraries as the only ones with TLS_STATIC in DT_FLAGS.
[23:33] <RAOF> Ok.  So, I'm wrong.  It's not gcc's fault, I've just missed some assember somewhere.


[02:03] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-video-sunbw2 xserver-xorg-video-suncg14 xserver-xorg-video-suncg3 xserver-xorg-video-suncg6 xserver-xorg-video-sunffb xserver-xorg-video-sunleo xserver-xorg-video-suntcx are all uploaded
[02:03] <rodarvus> but completely untested (including binary build), due to FTBFS of xorg-server on sparc
[02:04] <rodarvus> for xserver-xorg-video-sunffb, I didn't updated upstream version (due to the changes made by davem to this driver for it actually work)