[00:04] <dagar> I've been thinking about switching my main backend to ubuntu from centos, if I went with ubuntu lts how long would I be able to get up to date myth packages?
[00:13] <avihayb> say, is there a reason why a fresh Mythbuntu 8.04.1 install would show only recordings where the backend finished recording, either due to the one hour limit, or due to shutdown, but not recordings done in liveTV mode?
[00:14] <avihayb> when I pres record on, wait, and of again, the file is generated on the HDD, but it is invisible in the internal media library thing
[00:15] <KjetilK> dagar: you can get weekly builds at http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu , I think there are dev builds available too, so fairly frequent I would say
[00:15]  * KjetilK was actually on the way to bed, so g'night :-)
[00:16] <avihayb> also, if I start a liveTV recording, then quit liveTV viewing, then reenter liveTV viewing, I can no longer stop the recording.
[00:16] <avihayb> night
[00:17] <dagar> KjetilK: my concern is more long term support
[00:17] <dagar> will up to date myth builds be available for a few years after hardy LTS has been released?
[00:21] <dagar> for instance what version of mythtv is currently available for dapper drake?
[00:48] <gregL>  Hardy Heron8.04 LTS April 24, 2008 Supported until April 2013 (Server) or April 2011 (Desktop)
[00:58] <JThundley> can someone help me with nfs stuff? It's really driving me up the wall
[00:59] <JThundley> I had shares all set up and working and it stopped working for some reason
[00:59] <JThundley> from what I've gathered, when I write files to the server, they end up belonging to nobody:nogroup
[01:00] <JThundley> so it's like I'm getting squashed, but it's not being mounted as root, my uid and gid are the same on the machines, I'm not in more than 16 groups
[02:10] <bobbob1016> I bought an nvidia 8400gs pci express card, and now I can watch HD without much issue.  However, when watching a movie, a 1080p movie, the audio goes out of sync every few minutes, and if I pause/rewind or some combo there-of, it gets back in sync.  My mplayer line is "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s" from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php
[02:10] <bobbob1016> /HD_Playback_Reports#Intel_Processors
[02:41] <defendguin> i seem to have run into a bit of a mystery.   all of a sudden when i press watch tv the screen goes black for 2 seconds and goes back to the main menu.  i've checked my settings not sure what it wrong i thought it might be something with my tuner config  but i can't tell for sure
[02:41] <defendguin> needless to say i didn't adjust any settings i just booted up the computer and it was like this
[02:56] <defendguin> i'm running 8.04.1
[03:00] <defendguin> the error i am getting is LiveTV mpt successfully started
[03:00] <defendguin> not*
[03:11] <defendguin|myths> GetEntryAt(-1) failed
[03:11] <defendguin|myths> EntryToProgram (...)  failed to get pginfo
[03:35] <defendguin> i went to look at the avdvanced options in recordings and i saw this error
[03:35] <defendguin> Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/recording_schedules.php, line 563:
[03:35] <defendguin> mysql_fetch_row(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource
[03:51] <defendguin> maybe i just need to run a repair on my db
[03:53] <defendguin> i keep getting access denied so if anyone knows where to get my db password that would be a big help
[03:55] <defendguin> apparently it keeps trying to use the password "YES" but gets denied
[06:20] <shahar_> Hi, I just installed MythBuntu 8.04 and bought a new remote off the LIRC list. I know the remote works because if I kill the lirc daemon, cat the lirc0 device, and push buttons, characters appear on my screen. My problem is that the remote does not seem to work with mythbuntu. I am wondering if there's anything I can do to fix it
[10:51] <avihayb> say, is there a reason why a fresh Mythbuntu 8.04.1 install would show only recordings where the backend finished recording, either due to the one hour limit, or due to shutdown, but not recordings done in liveTV mode?
[10:51] <avihayb> when I pres record on, wait, and of again, the file is generated on the HDD, but it is invisible in the internal media library thing
[10:51] <avihayb> also, if I start a liveTV recording, then quit liveTV viewing, then reenter liveTV viewing, I can no longer stop the recording.
 nutsy, when working with xorg.conf you always make backups, to fix the problem you replace the xorg.conf with the working backup. making small changes at a time is the key
[14:10] <nutsy> oh balls sorry
[14:10] <nutsy> In Unbuntu/mythbuntu when something goes wrong with the graphics card driver stuff... How do you reinstall the card and drivers? Some thing went fluffed and i dont know how to fix it. I can no longer get the card to run at full HD any more it only goes up to XGA reses
[14:39] <troldrik> You don't... you fix your xorg.conf
[14:40] <nutsy> no its ok i fixed it now redownloaded the nvidia drivers
[14:40] <troldrik> Pastebin xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log.
[14:40] <nutsy> and got the nvidia settings installed
[14:40] <troldrik> Oh...
[14:41] <nutsy> out of interest... Anyone here know how to get evo VC1 video stream into a mkv file?
[14:41] <nutsy> or does mkv not suport vc1?
[14:42] <nutsy> truth is ive not been able to find any good mkv compilers
[14:42] <nutsy> oh and the file building on pc
[14:46] <nutsy> Its just i want to make some myth compatible films. But I want to fix the audio problem by reencoding them but I dont want to reencode teh video
[15:07] <riegersn> I'm unable to stream my hd (avg of 4 gig files) videos over lan/nfs (not giga) when using the default internal player. It stutters and freezes a lot. However when I tell mythtv to use mplayer instead it works fine so I know im transferring fast enough. How can I fix this? I'd rather use the internal player
[15:12] <rhpot1991> is the computer powerful enough?
[15:16] <bobbob1016> riegersn, I'd guess that it is a setting, since the internal player is usually mplayer.
[15:17] <laga> bullshit
[15:17] <laga> :)
[15:20] <riegersn> i tried changing the cache size and min levels on the setup line for internal mplayer but it doesn't seem to cache anything strange
[15:20] <bobbob1016> riegersn, What video card do you have?
[15:21] <riegersn> should that matter if mplayer alone works perfectly?
[15:21] <bobbob1016> riegersn, Actually, nm, since you said it plays fine via normal mplayer.
[15:21] <bobbob1016> beat me to it
[15:21] <riegersn> yea i don't get it
[15:22] <riegersn> its strange
[15:22] <riegersn> there was a 200mb mp4 it stuttered on too
[15:22] <bobbob1016> riegersn, Try taking out all the settings you have in the internal player, since it should use the external player's settings otherwise
[15:23] <bobbob1016> copy them down first though
[15:23] <riegersn> if i exit out of mythtv and launch mplayer and set up the settings, it should use those?
[15:24] <bobbob1016> I think it should, I don't know for sure.  Try asking in #mplayer as well.
[15:25] <laga> mythtv does not use mplayer for recordings.
[15:26] <bobbob1016> Yeah, but he is playing a stream over his lan with nfs
[15:26] <laga> ah, so it's mythvideo
[15:26] <laga> are these h264 files?
[15:27] <bobbob1016> Yes, but his videos play fine with mplayer outside of myth, so his PC is fine
[15:27] <riegersn> laga, yea mkv and mp4
[15:27] <laga> ah, mkv. i dont think mythtv likes mkv that much..
[15:28] <riegersn> laga, when i tell myth to use external mplayer instead of internal it works fine
[15:28] <laga> it's also possible that mplayer is newer with regards to h264 support
[15:29] <laga> if you're using ubuntu 8.04, you could enabling the weekly fixes builds. i've updated the h264 stuff there
[15:29] <avihayb> I have a problem, moveis I record useing liveTV and pressing the record button don't show up on the list of recorded shows. they appear on the info-center under automatic removal or something like that. if I see them there and press enter, a menu shows up that lets me move them into the "deafault groop". when I do that, they vanish from this list and appear in the vew recordings list
[15:31] <avihayb> group*
[17:11] <riegersn> Is there a podcast plug-in for mythtv? specifically a video podcast plug-in? I'm using miro to download my video podcasts and linking them to my mythvideo dir, it would be nice if I could manage them all on my tv
[17:23] <jlongstreet> I've been having a problem with Mythbuntu Hardy on my HTPC where it goes into standby after about 15 minutes of inactivity.  I don't want it to ever go into standby.
[17:24] <jlongstreet> In the power management prefs I have it set to never go to sleep, and the screensaver to never turn on
[17:25] <jlongstreet> I think it's just a display sleep or something, because if I'm watching a video, the video will keep playing, but the HDMI will completely cut out until I click the mouse
[17:26] <jlongstreet> This is an HTPC so I don't want to have to have a mouse connected to it.
[17:36] <jlongstreet> Onboard ATI HDMI card, btw, fglrx driver
[17:40] <sebrock> anyone knows if its possible to add diggnation podcast to mythstream?
[17:40] <sebrock> Im able to harvest but not watch anything
[18:14] <riegersn> sebrock, im want to know the same thing
[18:17] <sebrock> riegersn, I am able to start it using the default parser, but I have to go trough the harvested stuff manually (jpgs, and all sorts of stuff)
[18:17] <riegersn> yea, i want to know if there is a plugin for video podcasts
[18:19] <sebrock> MythStream can handle it
[18:19] <sebrock> its just need some tweak on the parser
[18:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> there is some new deal
[18:19] <sebrock> Im watching diggnation right now
[18:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5665553
[18:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> tr ythat maybe?
[18:22] <sebrock> interesting!
[18:26] <sebrock> rhpot1991_laptop, will it make it final to the next release?
[18:29] <rhpot1991_laptop> it was included into intrepid AFAIK
[18:33] <sebrock> thats great news! Well intrepid is soon here so I'll give it a rest until then
[18:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> sebrock: just install from the ppa
[18:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> same thing but ready for hardy
[18:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> we can't insert new things into hardy and all, so you need to get it from the ppa
[18:37] <sebrock> so I'll use the repo from intrepid?
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> no, ppa == personal package archive
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> its a tiny repo that devs can put packages
[18:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> for testing, etc
[18:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> its the stuff for intrepid, packaged for hardy, but we can't introduce new features to hardy so you have to get it elsewhere, hence the ppa
[18:39] <sebrock> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-testing/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:39] <sebrock> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-testing/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:39] <sebrock> correct?
[18:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> you want hardy, see the dropdown on the top of the page
[18:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> switch that to hardy, then copy them
[18:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> throw them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> then sudo apt-get update
[18:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> and then go ahead and install the new packages
[18:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> or just use synaptec or whatever you are famailiar with to do so
[18:49] <Tuv0k> http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[18:50] <rhpot1991> you could use that method as well if you sub in the correct url
[18:51] <sebrock> yuep
[18:51] <sebrock> tnx
[18:51] <sebrock> will check it out
[20:30] <ender_EE> i'm having difficulty disabling window manager keyboard shortcuts on a mythbuntu frontend that boots into a "mythtv standalone session" (per the mythbuntu-control-centre gui).
[20:31] <ender_EE> specifically, I want "ctrl + alt + left (or right)" to be disabled, but this setting does not seem to be enabled in the XFCE keybindings configuration area
[21:03] <Stemming78> Need assitance setting up an MCE Remote - pinnacle...  any trick to this?
[21:06] <Stemming78> http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Vista+Companion/Pinnacle+Remote+Kit+for+Windows+Media+Center.htm
[21:07] <Stemming78> grey remote w/ the pinnacle receiver...
[21:44] <KjetilK> I need to start irexec somewhere
[21:44] <KjetilK> whats the best way to do that under mythbuntu?
[21:46] <KjetilK> it should be run by the user that logs in (I assume), and I looked into .xsession, but that appears to take over the whole session rather than just run something in addition to the session
[22:04] <riegersn> I can't seem to find where to set the path for my roms in mythbuntu
[22:04] <CNLiberal> I'm having difficulty with my digital output using a Creative Soundblaster Live 5.1
[22:05] <riegersn> i've been to the setup where i can select the emulators but didn't see anything for games, just "scan for games" which did nothing
[22:05] <CNLiberal> i can get 5.1 on LiveTV but using the same settings, I don't get sound on recordings that aren't in 5.1 or in music
[22:06] <CNLiberal> i can change the settings to get sound in music and recordings, but HD liveTV and recorded 5.1 don't pass AC3 to the receiver
[22:06] <CNLiberal> does anyone have any advice?
[22:10] <riegersn> CNLiberal, sorry can't help with that but im interested in what hardware your using to grab the hd feed. I really want to get a card (or box) that supports it AND works we;; with myth, i fairly new to this
[22:10] <CNLiberal> i'm currently using an HDHomeRun from SiliconDust
[22:10] <CNLiberal> it was VERY easy to setup in Myth
[22:11] <riegersn> and the HD quality is good?
[22:11] <riegersn> any difference between that and a box from your cable provider?
[22:11] <CNLiberal> as good as you can get from Comcast
[22:11] <CNLiberal> haha
[22:11] <riegersn> Comcast!
[22:11] <CNLiberal> i've not used a box from my cable provider
[22:11] <CNLiberal> the cool thing is...
[22:12] <CNLiberal> i'm only paying for internet through Comcast ($59 a month)
[22:12] <CNLiberal> but
[22:12] <CNLiberal> they're giving me all their analog channels
[22:12] <CNLiberal> so i've got that going for me
[22:12] <riegersn> where do you live i have comcast and they said i couldn't use another box besides theirs
[22:12] <CNLiberal> they're a bunch of lie-whores
[22:13] <CNLiberal> according to the FCC (from what I understand) they have to put out your local stations on their digital tiers
[22:14] <CNLiberal> so I've got all my locals on digital (in HD, and some in SD) plus a couple they don't really care about encrypting
[22:14] <CNLiberal> like the christian network, and ION TV
[22:14] <riegersn> nice
[22:14] <riegersn> are you in jersey?
[22:14] <CNLiberal> nope, Illinois
[22:14] <CNLiberal> but the hard part with the HDHR was setting up DHCP
[22:15] <CNLiberal> because the HDHR just takes the MPEG Transport Stream and dumps it on to Ethernet
[22:15] <CNLiberal> but my backend mobo has a second NIC, so I setup DHCP3 and edited the config to dish out DHCP addresses on the second NIC
[22:16] <riegersn> i wonder if i keep paying for the channels i have like 1-300 or some shit like that, if i can still get them all with the HR box, thats what im worried about. the whole analog digital hd ntsc atsc shit confuses me
[22:16] <CNLiberal> I plugged the HDHR directly into the backend, and cat'd /var/log/messages and that said the HDHR received an IP
[22:16] <CNLiberal> i would really doubt that all those digital channels are unencrypted
[22:16] <CNLiberal> Comcast are bastards about that
[22:17] <riegersn> i heard once that its possible to grab the signal from the comcast box, wonder if thats true
[22:17] <riegersn> let the comcast box decrypt it then grab it
[22:18] <CNLiberal> I've heard that too
[22:18] <CNLiberal> I"m not sure how it works
[22:19] <CNLiberal> because i know that you can use a Comcast box with Firewire enabled and grab certain stations through firewire
[22:19] <CNLiberal> but
[22:19] <CNLiberal> those stations can't be 5c encrytped
[22:19] <CNLiberal> AND
[22:19] <CNLiberal> i've heard that you can hack the Comcast box, but I've never found out how
[22:21] <CNLiberal> so if anyone knows, that'd be sweet
[22:23] <riegersn> yea
[22:24] <riegersn> I also have the Logitech Harmony 550 universal remote but haven't found out if i can use it with myth, can't seem to find a receiver to plug into the pc
[22:25] <CNLiberal> you should be able to use any remote with myth
[22:25] <CNLiberal> i'm personally running a Microsoft (Macrosux) MCE remote with USB receiver
[22:25] <CNLiberal> it's a plug and play job
[22:25] <Stemming78> Any information on how to customize jump points for the MCE Remote?
[22:26] <CNLiberal> I've then taken that remote, and programed my Sony Remote Commander (ginormous touchscreen) with the buttons from the MCE remote
[22:26] <CNLiberal> and it works fine
[22:28] <Stemming78> Having issues trying to remap my MCE REmote (new)....   any information on how to do this;  using the
[22:29] <riegersn> yea i have this 100 dollar remote and no pc receiver so no worky with mythy
[22:29] <CNLiberal> ha
[22:29] <CNLiberal> you can build one, or buy one
[22:30] <CNLiberal> i tried to build one (cuz i'm crazy cheap)
[22:30] <riegersn> haha
[22:30] <CNLiberal> and apparently, not a good solder guy
[22:30] <riegersn> me either
[22:30] <riegersn> so i don't have to buy one specifically for myth or my remote?
[22:30] <CNLiberal> buy for Myth
[22:30] <riegersn> cause there is a logitech one for the harmony 880 but its 99 bucks
[22:30] <CNLiberal> grab the MCE cuz it's so easy
[22:31] <riegersn> I looked for that microsoft remote in bestbuy & circuit city and nothing
[22:31] <CNLiberal> newegg
[22:31] <CNLiberal> always newegg
[22:32] <riegersn> have any model suggestions?
[22:32] <CNLiberal> hmm
[22:32] <CNLiberal> let me look
[22:35] <CNLiberal> still looking
[22:36] <CNLiberal> ok
[22:36] <CNLiberal> this looks like what i have
[22:36] <CNLiberal> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100851
[22:36] <CNLiberal> excep
[22:36] <CNLiberal> t
[22:36] <CNLiberal> i think it's a newer version
[22:38] <CNLiberal> let's check the wiki to see if there's a problem with that remote
[22:41] <CNLiberal> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Version_2
[22:41] <CNLiberal> i'm not sure if that's version 2 or not
[23:00] <hads> v1 is old, it will be v2
[23:00] <CNLiberal> yep
[23:00] <CNLiberal> i didn't know if there was a different Version...but yeah it might work
[23:01] <hads> They've sttopped making them all together now I believe
[23:01] <CNLiberal> the MCE?
[23:01] <CNLiberal> they are great remotes
[23:01] <hads> Yeah
[23:01] <CNLiberal> i know that it's MS....but still
[23:01] <CNLiberal> they work
[23:02] <hads> MS make pretty good hardware
[23:02] <CNLiberal> they really don't make anything...haha
[23:03] <CNLiberal> but, the remote works great ever since Martin Blatter gave us a working LIRC driver for it
[23:05] <CNLiberal> i emailed him about the remote when i bought it 3 yrs ago, and he helped me out
[23:05] <CNLiberal> guys a genious


[08:14] <yesyesproblemyes> Hi, i want to use xubuntu to turn a old laptop into a digital picture frame. My question is what capacity flash drive should I use? 8? 16? 32GB?
[08:19] <xubuntu14i5885> Hello
[08:21] <xubuntu14i5885> I am struggling
[09:40] <xu-help12w> Hi!
[09:41] <xu-help64w> Anybody able to help me?
[09:42] <xu-help64w> Been struggling to get xubuntu working for a good 6 hours or so.
[09:43] <diogenes_> xu-help64w,
[09:43] <diogenes_> !ask
[09:46] <xu-help64w> Thanks. I need help booting xubuntu from grub. Once i boot though, i get sent to another command prompt, and i have no idea what to do from there. I've been trying to install it for about six hours now, without any luck. Any help at all is appreciated!
[09:49] <diogenes_> xu-help64w, you booting off a usb drive?
[09:50] <xu-help64w> Yes
[09:51] <diogenes_> does it boot to live environment?
[09:52] <xu-help64w> Have no idea. I used rufus to create it, using iso.
[09:52] <xu-help64w> Still very new to this.
[09:53] <diogenes_> do you get this? https://static.knowledgebase.ai/upload/8688336/6e5edbd58c-bf8a1be51c530261aacf.png
[09:54] <xu-help64w> No. I'm in grub 2.04 for xubuntu
[09:56] <diogenes_> xu-help64w, it might mean the iso wasn't properly written to the usb drive.
[09:57] <xu-help64w> I have formatted the drive and rewritten the iso to the drive multiple times.
[09:57] <diogenes_> try to fully format erase the usb and instead of rufus use this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[09:58] <diogenes_> assuming you're on windows.
[13:27] <jdwwatts> hello world
[14:29] <n-iCe> hi
[18:25] <puff> So I upgraded to a new laptop, decided to try stock ubuntu GUI for a bit, just because... I'm not overwhelmed.  Tried installing xubuntu-desktop and it's giving me some warnings about unment dependencies and conflicts:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7tXXyn3Rtv/
[19:28] <n-iCe> hi
[19:50] <dispo> whisker menu has a 1 second lag day when I click on it,I  noticed this issue since the latest system update
[19:50] <dispo> xubuntu 18.04.4
[19:52] <brainwash> dispo: what was updated exactly?
[19:53] <dispo> 4.15.0-101-generic
[19:54] <dispo> Kernel
[20:37] <dispo> xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin is already the newest version (2.1.5-0ubuntu1).
[22:00] <lwmar> hello, I have the following problem with transmission but also with tixati: I am using another hard drive to store the incomplete torrent files, it is mounted at the start of xubuntu 20 lts. I can hear the disk starting when I open the mentioned applications however it looks like to me that the applications do not wait enough time so I get a
[22:00] <lwmar> missing files error having me to force rechecking for every single file manually
[22:36] <well_laid_lawn> lwmar: if you access the files on the disk before starting those apps does it happen ?
[22:36] <well_laid_lawn> using the file manager or sommething...
[22:47] <lwmar> @well_laid_lawn no, in that case it does not happen
[22:48] <well_laid_lawn> so the issuue is the timme it takes for the disk to spin up
[22:50] <well_laid_lawn> you could make your own lauuncher with a command to spin the disk firdt
[22:51] <lwmar> yes but I think that is not the best solution, I think this is probably why my PC freezes so often since I upgraded to v20 of Xubuntu
[22:52] <lwmar> many things make my PC freeze, while before this was not happening. One of them is sometimes when I disconnect the wi-fi
[22:54] <well_laid_lawn> if that is the case then filing bug reports is the only way forward afaik
[22:54] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
[23:00] <lwmar> but I am not sure if it is a bug and I don't want people to think I like to report false bugs
[23:00] <lwmar> that is why I was asking the other day about help analyzing my logs to diagnose problems


[04:32] <gnomefreak> anyone around that can test a bug on 13.04? bug 1082658
[04:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1082658 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport keeps crashing when i try to file a bug on Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082658
[04:42] <TheLordOfTime> think you should be in #ubuntu+1 gnomefreak
[04:42] <TheLordOfTime> although it may be a bug, #ubuntu+1 is likely the better place for asking someone to test a 13.04 thing.
[04:42] <gnomefreak> TheLordOfTime: this channel is for bug discussion
[04:43] <TheLordOfTime> true, but i'm curious exactly how many people onb bugsquad, let alone bug control, run 13.04
[04:44] <TheLordOfTime> gnomefreak, i've got a 13.04 VM
[04:44] <TheLordOfTime> but it'll take a bit for it to be updated, its pre-Alpha :/
[04:44] <TheLordOfTime> if you give me, say, an hour (low bandwidth right now) i'll be glad to help test
[04:44] <gnomefreak> when you are on the bugsquad you should run latest dev cycle in vm or chroot so you can test bugs other wise you are holding yourself back
[04:45] <gnomefreak> TheLordOfTime: ill be around for a bit if im not here just comment on the bug and i will look at it monday i hope
[04:45] <TheLordOfTime> you'll get emails ;P
[04:45] <TheLordOfTime> but...
[04:45] <TheLordOfTime> ... the heck is with my VM segving
[04:45] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[04:45]  * TheLordOfTime sighs
[22:55] <a7x1> does anyone know how to nominate a bug for a particular release?  bug #1043769
[22:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1043769 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Monitor image not clickable in display settings after the first time" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043769
[22:56] <a7x1> it affects quantal but not raring (it was fixed upstream after quantal)


[19:40] <highvoltage> stgraber: when should trusty alpha 1 show up on the iso tracker? I just see all the saucy's there atm
[19:41] <highvoltage> (I guess I could use the trusty-daily entry but I'm testing the current image as an alpha so would be nice if I could use that)
[19:46] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm not the one running the show this time around since I'll be travelling in the midle of the week.
[19:46] <stgraber> highvoltage: but if that helps you, I can already turn off cron for Edubuntu and add it to the alpha-1 milestone
[19:46] <highvoltage> stgraber: that would be nice
[19:48] <stgraber> highvoltage: done. I have setup the milestone (but not enabled auto-publishing at this point), disabled dailies for Edubuntu and copied the current daily to the alpha-1 milestone on the tracker
[19:49] <stgraber> highvoltage: if you need any rebuilds, you can request them from the tracker, however as auto-publishing is off, they'll only show up on the daily milestone. If that happens, ping me and I'll copy the new build over to alpha-1.
[19:50] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, so far amd64 and i386 both seem more or less ok
[19:51] <stgraber> highvoltage: cool. I believe I tested LTSP live a couple of weeks back to make sure I didn't break the world with the latest ldm and ltsp upload, but it looked reasonably good back then.
[19:51] <highvoltage> stgraber: yep, passed on i386 and amd64
[19:52] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm going ahead and doing an edubuntu-server deploy too, should probably become part of the required tests on the iso tracker. last night I ran out of disk space on my VM so re-trying in a bigger VM...
[19:53] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'd expect it to fail because I haven't updated it since the samba4 => samba source transition, but that'd still be interesting to confirm :)
[22:13] <rsalveti> can anyone review/approve the android-headers package? the i386 (all) package is still in new, iirc didrocks approved the src package
[22:34] <infinity> rsalveti: What's the rationale for splitting that from hybris?  Shouldn't the headers match the library?
[22:37] <infinity> rsalveti: Also, you probably want a conflict, not a break, as your goal is to only have one of the packages installed when you're done.
[22:38] <infinity> rsalveti: Did you actually try this upgrade path?
[22:38] <rsalveti> infinity: upstream is not maintaining the headers as part of the same src package/tree
[22:38] <infinity> As a general rule, if you have an unversioned Breaks, you've probably done something wrong.
[22:39] <infinity> And, in this case, the part where it's unversioned is correct, which means the Breaks itself is wrong.
[22:39] <rsalveti> yup, with tested with newer hybris (depending on the new package)
[22:39] <infinity> rsalveti: And did android-platform-headers actually get forced off the system?
[22:39] <infinity> Cause it should have just been deconfigured, given that it's a Break, not a Conflict.  Which wouldn't be what you were looking for.
[22:39] <rsalveti> let me test in a sec
[22:41] <infinity> rsalveti: To force it right off, you probably want P/C/R: android-platform-headers, and no B.
[22:41] <infinity> rsalveti: See Policy 7.6.2
[22:42] <rsalveti> infinity: right, but it's not replacement (not 100% compatible, some internal changes done in the previous version were removed)
[22:43] <infinity> rsalveti: That's unfortunate, but still what you're looking for, since they can't both be installed together, and you want people upgraded to the new one.
[22:47] <infinity> rsalveti: Actually, Policy 7.4 implies that C/R is enough to force the old on off, if you're not comfy with the Provides, since it's not 100% compat.
[22:48] <infinity> rsalveti: Conflict+Replaces means "Replaces the package", while Replaces alone (or with Breaks) means "overwrites some files".
[22:48] <rsalveti> yup, then should probably only change breaks to conflicts
[22:48] <rsalveti> still updating here to test though
[22:49] <infinity> In theory, this should even happen at the dpkg level, no higher level tools required.
[22:50] <infinity> So, I'll tear your deb apart, s/Breaks/Conflicts/, and dpkg -i it to a system with android-platform-headers installed and see if reality matches policy. :P
[22:50] <rsalveti> infinity: yup, old package removed
[22:50] <infinity> rsalveti: With a conflict, you mean?  Cause it sure doesn't work with the breaks, just tried that. :)
[22:50] <rsalveti> infinity: with breaks
[22:51] <infinity> I disagree. :P
[22:51] <rsalveti> but not testing with dpkg -i
[22:51] <infinity> I assume you were using apt, which uses --auto-deconfigure.
[22:51] <rsalveti> yeah
[22:51] <rsalveti> let me change and test with dpkg -i
[22:53] <infinity> rsalveti: Yeah, with Conflicts it does exactly what I think it should.
[22:53] <infinity> Conflicts+Replaces, that is.
[22:53] <infinity> I just did s/Breaks/Conflicts/ on DEBIAN/control and rebuilt the deb.
[22:54] <infinity> (trusty-amd64)root@cthulhu:/home/adconrad/android# dpkg -i android-headers.deb
[22:54] <rsalveti> awesome, let upload the change then
[22:54] <infinity> Selecting previously unselected package android-headers.
[22:54] <infinity> dpkg: considering removing android-platform-headers in favour of android-headers ...
[22:54] <infinity> dpkg: yes, will remove android-platform-headers in favour of android-headers
[22:54] <infinity> (Reading database ... 11923 files and directories currently installed.)
[22:54] <infinity> Unpacking android-headers (from android-headers.deb) ...
[22:54] <infinity> Setting up android-headers (4.2.2-1-0ubuntu1) ...
[22:55] <infinity> rsalveti: For the record, this is what one gets with Breaks + auto-deconfigure:
[22:56] <infinity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6580781/
[22:56] <infinity> rsalveti: So, apt may pull more tricks on top of that to DTRT, but I don't consider abusing apt's fragile resolver a win, so doing what works for raw dpkg is definitely saner.
[22:56] <rsalveti> yeah, makes sense
[23:00] <rsalveti> infinity: just uploaded newer version, thanks for the review
[23:00] <infinity> rsalveti: NP.  Looked sane otherwise.
[23:00] <infinity> Well, as sane as hybrid/android on Ubuntu can ever look. ;)
[23:00] <infinity> hybris*
[23:00] <rsalveti> yeah :-)


[03:41] <nlsthzn-work> home time... cheers all
[07:44] <sakhi> moonin
[08:19] <superfly> yo sakhi
[09:35] <Kilos> morning superfly  and others
[09:36] <Kilos> hope my reply to bill in the lists was correct
[09:42] <marcog> http://imgur.com/a/10caN
[09:44] <Kilos> hi marcog
[09:45] <marcog> hi Kilos
[10:09] <superfly> hey Kilos
[10:34] <superfly> marcog: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/01/python-tiobe-award
[10:36] <marcog> superfly: nice!
[10:53] <superfly> Kilos: mostly accurate
[10:53] <Kilos> hehe what i missed this time superfly
[10:53] <Kilos> did i miss the point again
[10:53] <superfly> I think someone might get confused with the VPN which is not the same as mobile broadband, but hopefully they'll see "mobile broadband" and take it from there...
[10:54] <Kilos> yes when the window opens it gives you all the choices
[10:55] <Kilos> but also as you tick on the nm icon it shows mobile broadband connection immediately
[10:55] <Kilos> that if fone connected already
[10:55] <Kilos> without the fone you go the vpn route
[10:58] <Kilos> the choices are wired, wireless, mobile broadband, vpn and dsl
[11:25] <Kilos> lo oogway
[12:02] <drubin> Kilos: it was perfect
[12:02] <drubin> marcog: lol
[12:02] <Kilos> ty drubin  glad i got something right for a chamge
[12:10] <Kilos> maybe one of the kde guys will give directions on getting their nm setup
[12:10] <Kilos> i gave up
[16:54] <Morganvd> evening
[17:08] <superfly> hi Morganvd
[17:09] <Morganvd> hey superfly
[17:11] <Morganvd> i am so confused
[17:11] <superfly> confused?
[17:13] <Morganvd> yeah unity or gnome 3
[17:15] <superfly> oh
[17:15] <superfly> *shrug* I'm on KDE 4, what more do I need?
[17:15] <Morganvd> haha yeah yeah i know your a kde fan
[17:15] <Morganvd> i love gnome classic
[17:17] <Morganvd> im using unity on my netbook and its slow
[17:17] <Morganvd> haha yeah yeah i know your a kde fan
[17:17] <Morganvd> im using unity on my netbook and its slow
[17:17] <Morganvd> i love gnome classic
[17:18] <superfly> Morganvd: yeah, I got all of that
[17:18] <Morganvd> soz
[17:18] <Morganvd> i lost connection
[17:18] <Morganvd> stupid adsl
[17:21] <superfly> Morganvd: you out in the bundu somewhere that you have a flakey ADSL line?
[17:25] <Morganvd> nope central jhb
[17:26] <Morganvd> it just stops syncing randomly
[17:26] <Morganvd> sometimes its up for 2 days
[17:26] <Morganvd> never used to be like this
[17:28] <superfly> hmmm
[17:28] <superfly> haven't had that here, fortunately
[17:31] <Morganvd> i am starting to wonder if its not the router
[17:31] <Morganvd> it went woncky after a storm one night
[17:32] <superfly> see if you can borrow another to test it out?
[17:32] <Morganvd> i have another
[17:33] <superfly> ah, ok
[17:33] <Morganvd> i shal test it the weekend
[17:34] <Morganvd> Kilos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:35] <Morganvd> Maaz: coffee on
[17:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:35] <Kilos> lo Morganvd
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:35] <Morganvd> how was your day
[17:36] <Kilos> ok ty just woke from 3 hours snoozeland
[17:36] <Kilos> and yours
[17:36] <Morganvd> im confused
[17:37] <Kilos> why
[17:37] <Morganvd> but its been a kewl day
[17:37] <Morganvd> gnome3 or unity
[17:37] <Kilos> yip but i have a head
[17:37] <Morganvd> you do
[17:37] <Kilos> oh
[17:38] <Kilos> i have no idea what unity is like but see you can still use gnome
[17:38] <Kilos> hehe
[17:38] <Morganvd> till 11.10
[17:38] <Kilos> but saw someone complain that gimp didnt work with unity
[17:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Morganvd and Kilos!
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[17:39] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[17:39] <Morganvd> Maaz: thanks
[17:39] <Maaz> Morganvd: Okay :-)
[17:42] <superfly> Morganvd: I played with the beta of natty, and though Unity was nifty, but annoying
[17:42] <Morganvd> same
[17:42] <superfly> *thought
[17:42] <Morganvd> i have it installed on my netbook
[17:42] <superfly> haven't managed to get Gnome Shell working
[17:42] <Morganvd> i am trying gnome3 on the netbook now
[17:42] <Morganvd> i hate rpm based systems
[17:42] <superfly> Morganvd: why?
[17:43] <Morganvd> and only fedora and suse have gnome3 systems
[18:09] <Morganvd> i like the way deb work
[18:09] <Morganvd> maybe its because i learned to love linux on a deb system
[18:10] <superfly> Morganvd: no, you like the way apt words
[18:10] <superfly> deb = rpm, they are simply package formats
[18:11] <Morganvd> i know
[18:11] <Morganvd> but yum and apt are two worlds appart
[18:11] <superfly> zypper seems to be pretty cool
[18:12] <Morganvd> thats what meego use
[18:12] <superfly> and openSUSE
[18:12] <Morganvd> i thought they sue yast
[18:13] <Morganvd> use*
[18:13] <superfly> for a GUI, yes, but on the command line it's zypper
[18:13] <Morganvd> ahh ok
[18:13] <Morganvd> will try it sometime
[18:14] <superfly> YaST is still as slow as a dog -_-
[18:16] <Morganvd> yup
[18:20] <Morganvd> i wish there was a debian or a ubuntu gnome3 version
[18:29] <superfly> Morganvd: you can load Gnome 3 on Ubuntu
[18:51] <Morganvd> yeah but it has its own issues
[19:20] <Kilos> Morganvd, cant you use gnome2?
[20:32] <superfly> marcog: have you seen this? http://www.python.org/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.html
[20:33] <kbmonkey> good evening ZA folks
[20:35] <kbmonkey> thats neat superfly
[20:38] <superfly> evening kbmonkey
[20:55] <kbmonkey> been well I hope, superfly
[20:55] <superfly> busy, that's for sure
[20:55] <kbmonkey> too much so :)
[21:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[13:14] <gary_poster> teknico, how is your card going?
[13:17] <gary_poster> benji, should I review your branch or wait until you have resolved the issue Makyo raised?
[13:18] <gary_poster> would it be useful to see if I can duplicate his issue?
[13:18] <benji> gary_poster: I don't have a strong opinion either way.
[13:18] <benji> it couldn't hurt :)
[13:18] <gary_poster> benji, ok, I'll see if I dupe.  If I do, I'll wait on its resolution before a full review.
[13:19] <benji> k
[13:23] <hazmat> gary_poster, meeting this am is a one time evt
[13:24] <gary_poster> benji, duped.  Also, make debug, at least, seems worse in that it will repeatedly try to make files that should already have been made, such as sprite file.  trunk is quiet.
[13:24] <benji> hmm
[13:24] <benji> ok, thanks
[13:25] <gary_poster> hazmat ack thanks.  10:30 will normally work fine, just not this week?
[13:27] <hazmat> gary_poster, just not today
[13:27] <gary_poster> cool hazmat thanks.  will adjust, and reply to mail
[14:10] <bac> hi mattuk1972 would you mind taking a look at the visuals for the charm store filter widget to ensure it looks like you expect?
[14:26] <mattuk1972> bad, sure in a meeting - will be out in a few
[14:26] <mattuk1972> bac,
[14:50] <bac> benji: second review done.
[14:50] <benji> bac: thanks
[14:58] <mattuk1972> bad, could i see it without the 1px stroke? it seems too much here -also the text and tick need some padding to bring them in a bit. basically the same as the text has before you click in it to open the chooser.
[15:01] <bac> mattuk1972: you can play with the CSS in your browser, as we did before
[15:02] <bac> mattuk1972: i had trouble placing that tick mark.  i know it is poorly placed but i cannot figure out how to move it in.  the CSS that should do the trick is ineffective.
[15:03] <mattuk1972> bac, yep it doesn't seem to line up with the text either
[15:03] <mattuk1972> should i fond another way to show selected?
[15:03] <bac> nope
[15:10] <bac> mattuk1972: my "nope" reply was to your previous message.  as to finding another way of marking the selected item that may be a good idea but i'd wait until i've exhausted all attempts at getting the check mark to place correctly.
[15:14] <goodspud> gary_poster, could you please send me a new invite to our meetings
[15:16] <goodspud> And how do I sign up to our mailing lists (like juju-gui peeps)?
[15:17] <gary_poster> goodspud, mailing list: please join https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju-gui
[15:17] <gary_poster> we are trying to dump peeps
[15:18] <gary_poster> goodspud, reinvited you to mtg
[15:50] <goodspud> Thanks gary_poster
[15:50] <gary_poster> welcome
[15:52] <goodspud> ... although i haven't received the meeting invite email yet....
[15:56] <gary_poster> goodspud, don't know.  deleted and added you.  what do you need?  should be on your calendar
[15:57] <goodspud> Nope, not on my calendar. I figured I'd get an email with the details... stoopid technology
[15:58] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji frankban hazmat Makyo mattuk1972 teknico call in 2, unless hazmat and my call goes over...
[15:58] <gary_poster> goodspud, I used<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:58] <gary_poster> another?
[15:59] <goodspud> That should work... perhaps the mail server is super slow. I'll have some patience
[15:59] <gary_poster> ok
[15:59] <gary_poster> looks like call is going over...?
[16:00] <gary_poster> yup
[16:00] <gary_poster> sorry
[16:00] <gary_poster> don't know how much yet
[16:01] <gary_poster> bac are you willing to run the meeting today?
[16:03] <bac> gary_poster: doing so
[16:04] <gary_poster> thank you
[16:11] <bac> Makyo i'll review your endpoints card.  i added my tag
[16:11] <Makyo> bac, thanks.
[16:12] <hazmat> gary_poster, reap the whirlwind :-)
[16:12] <gary_poster> bcsaller, ready in 10 if you want to pair
[16:13] <benji> bcsaller: if you want to see what I was talking about in the standup, take a peek at line 50 of lib/server.js in trunk
[16:13] <gary_poster> hazmat it seems like a whirlwind certainly :-)
[16:13] <bcsaller> benji: I'll take a look
[16:14]  * gary_poster restarts
[16:15] <bcsaller> benji: that is insane, its under assets as well which isn't even the right place, so rather than fix a relative path issue there was a dynamic workaround it looks like
[16:18] <goodspud> bcsaller, just as an aside, what part of the world are you in at the moment?
[16:19] <bcsaller> goodspud: refactoring the frontpage view to better support the upcoming features and to allow more of us to work on it at once
[16:21] <bcsaller> goodspud: unless you mean geography, in which case NYC
[16:22] <goodspud> bcsaller, geographically.... but good to know what you are working on anyway
[16:22] <goodspud> :)
[16:22] <goodspud> bscaller, just seemed like you'd moved from San Fran... it was bright and sunny out your window
[16:23] <bcsaller> goodspud: today it is. I'm only here for a while, maybe another couple months
[16:26] <gary_poster> bcsaller, I lied.  Decided to make some gazpacho for a bit.  back soon.  will ping
[16:26] <bcsaller> gary_poster: np
[16:28] <bac> umm, the cold soup of spain
[16:29]  * bac heads to tapas joint
[16:32] <teknico> gary_poster, I'd like some, thanks :-)
[16:51] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:05]  * bcsaller grabs some food, back in a few
[17:37] <benji> Makyo: my branch should be much saner now, I would love it if you would try it again
[17:50] <benji> bac: I suspect my branch does most of what you want for your card; I would be happy to discuss it if you like
[17:50] <bac> benji: i figured it might
[17:51] <benji> gary_poster: my branch is ready for your review (https://codereview.appspot.com/6865054/)
[17:51] <gary_poster> benji, don't you already have two reviewers?  I'm OK with it if they are, though I'm happy to look if you'd liek me to.
[17:51] <gary_poster> or even like
[17:52] <benji> gary_poster: yep I have two, so unless you are super excited about reviewing it, no need
[17:52] <bac> benji: is your branch merged?
[17:52] <benji> bac: if lbox does it, then yes... I thought it did
[17:53] <benji> "No new revisions or tags to push."
[17:53] <gary_poster> benji, not super excited :-)
[17:53] <benji> :)
[18:00] <Makyo> benji, I'll forever wonder about that regex, always, in the back of my mind..
[18:00] <benji> Inflicting obscure psycological pain is my greatest joy in life.
[18:03] <bac> benji: the rule for $(BUILD_ASSETS_DIR)/images fires everytime 'make build' is used, whether it needs to or not.  i can't figure out why
[18:03]  * benji looks
[18:04] <benji> bac: did you uncomment the debug helper at the top of the Makefile?  It can help a little.
[18:04] <bac> benji: nope.
[18:04] <benji> bac: I don't see that behavior, do you want to pair on it?
[18:05] <bac> sure
[18:05] <benji> bac: you get tb ready and I'll make a hangout
[18:07] <benji> bac: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/15f7b6bcb0736024fb1834d49ca7c6acf56a4080?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[18:17] <hazmat> hmm.. the charm readme covers testing, but really it should be talking usage for a user
[18:20] <hazmat> also
[18:20] <hazmat> no mechanism to change config after deploy
[18:27] <Makyo> hazmat, should I create a config-changed hook card?
[18:27] <hazmat> Makyo, sounds good
[18:27] <Makyo> hazmat, can do a README card, too, while I'm at it.
[18:32] <Makyo> hazmat, for the README, should the testing information be moved to a different file, or just kept at the end of the current one?
[18:34] <gary_poster> The config changed is a good idea, but also a nice to have IMO: I would make a crad but put a low priority.  README for users is a normal priority one
[18:36] <hazmat> Makyo, separate file.
[18:37] <hazmat> gary_poster, requiring config at deploy time is a bad semantic for a charm, its more than a nice to have imo
[18:37] <hazmat> Makyo, i'd suggest DEVELOPER.txt
[18:38] <hazmat> gary_poster, we have several folks wanting to do a demo of it.. the deploy process is already convulted enough, having to switch out defaults at deploy time is kinda of painful to..
[18:39] <hazmat> this is my current instructions on deploy fwiw http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1410842/
[18:39] <gary_poster> Technically, it's a nice to have.  It will still work fine without it, and that's the way I've worked with other charms--with a config file.  But eh.
[18:40] <hazmat> for a staging env its also echo / cat to config.yaml and pass along for deploy.. much nicer if we can juju set staging=true
[18:40] <hazmat> gary_poster, i consider charms requiring a config file to generally be broken
[18:40] <hazmat> er.. badly done let's say
[18:40]  * gary_poster not going further with it :-)
[18:41] <hazmat> it means they take a bunch of config options which they don't accept
[18:42]  * hazmat takes a shallow breath and moves on
[20:52] <Makyo> Anyone else unable to get to the board?
[20:53] <bac> Makyo: yes, i cannot connect to the server either
[20:54] <bac> Makyo: https://leankitkanban.com is gone too
[20:57] <bac> from twitter: LeanKit @LeanKit
[20:57] <bac> We have an unexpected outage at the moment. The team is diagnosing. Resolution ASAP.
[20:57] <Makyo> bac, ah, thanks!  Not urgent, just realized I should move cards.
[20:57] <bac> all of this happened an hour after they announced their new Chief Marketing Officer.  coincidence?
[21:00] <Makyo> Maybe they hit the big red Door Open button in the server room?
[21:02] <benji> heh
[21:03] <hazmat> having odd issues with the charm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1411132/
[21:05] <benji> hazmat: I touched those rules recently, but I didn't have any problem with them; looking at it again to be sure
[21:08]  * bac gives in to frantic dog.  bbiab.
[21:11] <benji> hazmat: I can't reproduce the problem
[21:21] <hazmat> benji, try it with jitsu deploy-to 0
[21:21] <benji> hazmat: try what?  the charm?  I was just running the make file; I haven't deployed the charm before
[21:38] <hazmat> benji, the charm yeah..
[21:38] <Makyo> hazmat, the GUI dir is chowned in hooks/start, but make is run in hooks/install.  I've not run into the problem with juju deploy, but maybe jitsu deploy-to is calling it differently?
[21:38] <hazmat> Makyo, the hooks get called the same.. the deploy is the same .. its just different on the front end cli
[21:41] <Makyo> hazmat, ah, alright.  Curious that it's a permission denied thing, since it's in the same hook that's creating the directory.
[21:52] <hazmat> hmm.. these hooks are idempotent
[21:53] <hazmat> er. aren't
[21:53] <hazmat> can't rerun it to resolve, as it will barf on the checkout
[21:54] <hazmat> full charm log fwiw.. bottom is a resolved --retry ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411248/
[21:57] <hazmat> Makyo, good point.. i think i foobar'd it running by hand.. it looks like its needs root..
[21:57] <hazmat> aha.. the actual error..
[21:57] <hazmat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411255/
[21:58] <Makyo> Though the 'ln -sf ....yui' bit succeeded this time.
[22:00] <hazmat> Makyo, yeah.. i was running it as a normal user instead of as root with the first pastebin
[22:00] <Makyo> hazmat, oops, I see.
[22:02] <Makyo> Oh, huh.  ln succeeds if the target exists, and creates a bad link.
[22:02] <Makyo> Suppose that...sort of makes sense.  Can make the link, create the file later.
[22:04] <gary_poster> bcsaller, worth checking up now, or do it tomorrow?\
[22:04] <bcsaller> gary_poster: lets do it tomorrow
[22:04] <gary_poster> cool bcsaller.  have a good evening
[22:05] <bcsaller> you too
[22:13] <hazmat> benji, i think we need to revert that last commit..
[22:13] <hazmat> gary_poster, it works on 262
[22:15] <gary_poster> hey benji.  I asked hazmat to revert.  Please make a card for getting that landed again and move it through as "critical"
[22:15] <hazmat> benji, fwiw the error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411255/
[22:16]  * gary_poster stepping away
[22:16] <gary_poster> have a good night
[22:16] <benji> gary_poster: will do
[22:18] <bac> thanks for the review benji
[22:19] <benji> hazmat: if you feel so inclined, I would appreciate testing the pre-reverted code with just this bit reverted in the Makefile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411289/
[22:24] <hazmat> benji trying out
[22:26] <hazmat> unrelated.. the makefile doing a bzr file check outside of a target is actually quite painful when there is no local bzr repo.. the charm uses a lightweight co.. and its a multi-second pause
[22:26] <hazmat> and of course wouldn't play nice with a tarball
[22:44] <hazmat> benji, those diff chunks don't match up
[22:45] <hazmat> hmm... or i already applied..
[22:46] <hazmat> yeah.. no diff to revno 264
[22:49] <hazmat> benji, perhaps you mean the inverse of the diff you pasted
[22:55] <hazmat> no help with the inverse either.. reverting


[00:19] <oldman> vcs-import keeps failing on sourceforge svn import
[00:19] <oldman> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/zquake/trunk
[00:19] <oldman> known bug?
[00:21] <oldman> I wondered if it might be related to this
[00:21] <oldman> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs/+bug/120992
[02:03] <Rocket2DMn> If not already done, can a LP admin please disable this user's account, they spammed bugs (similar to what i saw a few days ago) - rutadeevacuacion
[02:06] <jml> Rocket2DMn: I don't think there are any LP admins around at the moment. You should ask a question on Launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[02:07] <Rocket2DMn> uhhhh
[02:07] <Rocket2DMn> I've closed the spam bugs, we had something like this a few days ago occur, by the time i showed up to close the bugs, the user was already banned
[02:09] <jml> ok.
[02:10] <jml> well, my point is that if you want to be certain that an LP admin sees your request, the best thing to do is ask a question at that URL.
[02:11]  * jml goes away for lunch.
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> thanks jml , ill see if i get a response in here for now
[02:11] <jml> ok.
[02:15] <PrivateVoid> I am getting an error when I try to change my name on launchpad because I have used my identifier... it says I can continue by hitting save again, but that just gives me the error again
[02:19] <wgrant> jml: Argh, that account has been disabled by spm at least twice already.
[02:20] <wgrant> And his other account which has been disabled a couple of times is back too.
[02:20] <wgrant> Can somebody please fix LP to make account death less temporary!?
[02:20] <PrivateVoid> I am getting an error when I try to change my name on launchpad because I have used my identifier... it says I can continue by hitting save again, but that just gives me the error again
[02:20] <Rocket2DMn> wgrant, are you talking to me?
[02:21] <wgrant> Rocket2DMn: I'm referring to the account you mentioned, but was talking to jml.
[02:21] <Rocket2DMn> ah ok, just making sure it was the same
[02:21] <Rocket2DMn> has the account been re-banned?
[02:21] <wgrant> Not AFAICT.
[02:21] <wgrant> It is a weekend.
[02:22] <Rocket2DMn> /headdesk
[02:22] <wgrant> I fail to see how LP can be so useless at killing accounts.
[02:22] <Rocket2DMn> does LP suport openid? or is that just the wiki?
[02:22] <wgrant> LP is a provider, but not a consumer.
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[02:26] <PrivateVoid> wgrant any idea how to kill a 'link' from LP to a consumer of openID
[02:26] <PrivateVoid> it is stopping me from changing my LP name
[02:26] <PrivateVoid> which Rocket2DMn has suggested I do
[02:26] <wgrant> PrivateVoid: Ah, you meant that kind of identifier. I'm not sure if you can.
[02:27] <wgrant> PrivateVoid: Ask a question at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[02:27] <PrivateVoid> so there is no way to change the LP name?
[02:27] <wgrant> You could do whatever you wanted with it until 3 days ago, I suspect.
[02:27] <wgrant> Let me try on staging.
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> PrivateVoid, i didnt suggest it, someone else did
[02:28] <PrivateVoid> nhandler then... sorry Rocket2DMn
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> love you too PV
[02:30] <wgrant> PrivateVoid: It works for me on staging if I click save after getting the warning.
[02:30] <PrivateVoid> how do I use staging?
[02:31] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:31] <wgrant> I just found the problem.
[02:31] <PrivateVoid> is that edge?
[02:31] <wgrant> staging and edge are separate.
[02:31] <wgrant> staging runs on a copy of the DB that is erased nightly.
[02:31] <wgrant> So it's no good.
[02:31] <PrivateVoid> ok
[02:31] <wgrant> Have you tried changing it on edge?
[02:32] <wgrant> Oh.
[02:32] <wgrant> Damn.
[02:32] <wgrant> That revision has a DB patch, so it might well not even be on edge.
[02:32] <wgrant> There's an RC fix for this bug, which should have been rolled out yesterday, but that rollout has been delayed by a couple of days...
[02:32] <PrivateVoid> I will wait then...
[02:32] <PrivateVoid> not an issue
[02:32] <PrivateVoid> or perhaps I will go Milton
[02:33] <PrivateVoid> and burn the building down
[02:33]  * PrivateVoid laughs
[04:44] <james_w> Hi, please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~rutadeevacuacion
[04:44] <james_w> they reported a bunch of nonsense bugs
[04:45] <james_w> and they just made bug 137526 private, with apparently no reason
[04:45] <james_w> my guess is that they are testing the API, but not in a very sensible way
[04:52] <Rocket2DMn> james_w, i reversed the private setting
[04:52] <james_w> Rocket2DMn: I wasn't going to do that, as I wasn't entirely sure it was wrong
[04:52] <Rocket2DMn> that person is a spammer
[04:53] <Rocket2DMn> apparently did stuff to some other bugs, too, ill go reverse the changes
[04:53] <Ryan52> Rocket2DMn, thanks.
[04:54] <Rocket2DMn> apparently they are having problems keeping users banned, its not sticking
[04:55] <Rocket2DMn> gotta go close more of his bugs, too
[04:55] <Rocket2DMn> what a stupid thing to have to do
[05:02] <Rocket2DMn> OK the user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>really needs to be banned, the spam bugs are coming full speed
[05:04]  * Hobbsee wonders if that srot of thing happens on weekends.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> especially with their apparent lack of success during the week
[05:05] <Rocket2DMn> ok, well im finished closing those stupid bugs, im going to bed
[05:05] <Rocket2DMn> if somebody wants to check up on him, close the garbage bugs (the first 2 listsings are legit, i reversed his changes)
[05:05] <Rocket2DMn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~rutadeevacuacion
[05:05] <Rocket2DMn> gotta be in bugcontrol since tho, since the bugs are private
[05:06] <Rocket2DMn> bleh english, thats why i need to go to bed, have fun
[05:10] <wgrant> james_w: spm has already disabled both of his accounts twice.
[05:10] <wgrant> And it's a weekend, so it's not likely to happen again soon.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> sounds like they need a more effective bug spray
[05:10] <wgrant> Unless spm_ is bad and is sitting at his computer.
[05:12] <wgrant> It would probably be a good idea to go through the notification logs and revert every action either of his accounts have performed over the last week... there's quite a few.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> I presume they can do that themselves?
[05:13] <wgrant> 'they' being LOSAs? I'd hope so.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yes, sorry
[05:15] <wgrant> Although given that they can't stop dead accounts from becoming undead, I have my doubts.
[05:15] <wgrant> I mean, what the fsck is with that? How does an account that has been doubly killed come back again!?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> register a new account with the same email?
[05:16] <wgrant> No.
[05:16] <wgrant> The account was still there.
[05:16] <wgrant> With the email and username.
[05:16] <wgrant> Just deactivated.
[05:17] <wgrant> Somehow they manage to reactivate it.
[05:17]  * Hobbsee expects there's a launchpad bug with reactivations.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> staging doesn't do mail, does it?
[05:19] <beuno_> spm_, herb, ^
[05:19] <wgrant> Hobbsee: No.
[05:19] <beuno_> kiko_, ^
[05:19] <beuno> off to bed now!
[05:19]  * wgrant suspects somebody will need to use the magic of screen and a while loop.
[05:19] <wgrant> Night beuno.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> oh, i think i know what's happened.
[05:24]  * Hobbsee wonders if the LOSA deactivations are the same as normal deactivations
[05:26] <Hobbsee> or end up behaving the same way.
[05:30] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You mean you think somebody can just claim them?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> wgrant: no, you have to get an email back to the same account to reactivate them.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> but that's simple, if you own the account in question.
[05:31] <wgrant> I'm unfortunately not too well versed in having my account banned.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> launchpad supports reactivating a normal account, if you've closed it.  I expect that it doesn't show up differently to a LOSA closing someone's account.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> wgrant: i created a test account, then deactivated it.  Then reactivated it.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> if you try logging in with the credentials, it tells you to hit "forgot your password" because it's a deactivated account, to reactivate it.
[05:32] <wgrant> Maybe they could win by removing or altering the email address on the account. But then I guess that just lets them reregister.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> it sends you an email, you click the link, it says "welcome back"
[05:32] <Hobbsee> etc
[05:33]  * Hobbsee wonders if 'banned' just means deactivated - or if it's supposed to be something else, but isn't.
[05:33] <wgrant> I don't quite know.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> i didn't think we've actually been able to deactivate our own accounts for that long
[05:34] <wgrant> Bug #gbcw has been closed for 15 months now.
[05:35]  * Hobbsee notes that a buildd building a private build is not deactivated, incidently ,too.
[05:35] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Give it a couple of days...
[05:35] <wgrant> Oh, you're in your test account?
[05:35] <wgrant> Aha.
[05:35] <wgrant> yes, I thought that a little odd.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:36] <Hobbsee> i wasn't willing to try all the above with my normal account.  sheesh ;)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> i don't trust LP *quite* that much.
[05:36] <wgrant> Heh.
[08:44] <zonderbroodje> hi there, any launchpad admins online?
[11:06]  * Hobbsee blinks.
[11:06]  * Hobbsee found a bug....
[11:06] <spiv> Hobbsee: a bug?  In software?  Never!
[11:06] <Hobbsee> spiv: heh
[11:07] <Hobbsee> spiv: points for making private builds private.  Negative points for then making the entire history of whichever buildd that is building the private build also private.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> what's weirder is that this was working earlier, even while it was building something private.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/artigas/+history == now 403'd.
[11:10] <spiv> Hobbsee: not for me, but I'm probably part of some special team.
[11:10] <Hobbsee> spiv: likely, yes
[11:10] <Hobbsee> spiv: you probably have a goose or something that lets you see it.
[11:33] <wgrant> Hobbsee: No, it's because you're a buildd-admin. It's the same reason you can see the private builders building things.
[11:33] <wgrant> You can see that the builds exist, but you can't see them, so you die.
[11:34] <wgrant> us unprivileged people are actually more privileged here.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:52] <Flimm> Hello, I've uploaded a modified ubuntu package to my ppa, it fixes a big, how should I report that on the bug report?
[12:52] <Flimm> A simple comment?
[12:58] <Flimm> I guess I'll with a comment
[12:59] <Flimm> Should I change the status of the bug report to fix commited?
[13:00] <Flimm> "#Fix Committed is not to be used when a patch is attached to a bug " I guess not, then
[14:38] <savvas> PPA question: If I want to provide three packages in different sections (devel, libs and libdevel), what section do I use for the source?
[14:41] <savvas> hm.. more like a motu question I guess
[18:03] <leefmc> beuno: (moving the discussion here): Does that super-tracker do anything else in terms of grouping bug reports, or anything? (Not that it needs to, just wondering). I recall reading about the ability for one project to submit a bug report and share it with another, in the case of plugin software this is very helpful. I'm just curious if more things like that exist, and in any way aided by the super-project idea.
[18:08] <beuno> leefmc, you can link a bug to 2 different projects
[18:08] <beuno> and track it's status seperatly
[18:08] <beuno> without the need of a super-project at all
[18:09] <leefmc> beuno: yea
[18:09] <leefmc> beuno: But are there any more tricks like that for super-project .. projects?
[18:10] <beuno> well, I think super-projects are just for grouping currently
[18:10] <beuno> I don't think they inherit many things to their groupees
[18:10] <leefmc> beuno: And on the same note, is there a better way to browse the super-project related projects? Ie, that list of bzr-plugins is rather long and unorganized, is there a page dedicated that lets you see activity, etc?
[18:10] <leefmc> beuno: K
[18:11] <beuno> leefmc, not currently, BUT, we're actively working on improving the UI of Launchpad, so something like that will happen soon
[18:11] <beuno> feel encouraged to file bugs with the features that Launchpad lacks
[18:11] <beuno> that'll help it get implemented  ;)
[18:12] <leefmc> :)
[18:12] <leefmc> Yea i'll be sure to do that, but for now the only thing that matters is what is there _now_, if you know what i mean hehe.
[18:12] <beuno> absolutely
[18:13] <leefmc> Im happy with most of Launchpad, i just hope we use it hehe
[18:13] <leefmc> My main problem in the past was the horribly slow servers heh
[18:14] <leefmc> currently its nice and snappy, so i hope it stays that way.
[18:14] <leefmc> beuno: Any idea why the servers were so slow in the past?
[18:14] <beuno> leefmc, it's a big project and growing fast, so "growing pains"
[18:15] <beuno> it should get faster as we go
[18:15] <leefmc> beuno: Any idea what you would say is the next coming feature? Are you guys working on UI improvements first, or .. ?
[18:16] <beuno> leefmc, we're over 30 developers working on Launchpad, so a lot of features are coming down the pipe
[18:16] <beuno> there is a major focus on UI and speed improvements
[18:16] <beuno> which I think will be the biggest things
[18:17] <leefmc> beuno: K, thanks for all the questions :)
[18:17] <leefmc> well.. answers, heh
[18:18] <beuno> leefmc, happy to help
[18:22] <leefmc> beuno: Hopefully i'll get word this weekend which project host were going with.. waiting is driving me nuts. (Hes been on vacation for the past week :o)
[18:23] <leefmc> anyway, thanks again. Gatta jet for a bit, bbl
[19:02] <geser> which Ubuntu releases are supported in PPAs? does building for dapper with in a PPA?
[20:00] <beuno> geser, all supported releases
[20:00] <beuno> dapper, feisty, gutsy, hardy, intrepid, and, soon, jaunty
[20:01] <james_w> jaunty is enabled isn't it?
[20:01] <james_w> at least I thought I was uploading a jaunty in my PPA earlier
[20:02] <beuno> james_w, maybe recently?
[20:04] <beuno> ah, it looks like we do
[20:04]  * beuno learns something new today
[22:29] <NCommander> Can someone look at why the armel builders are ignoring P-a-s. i.e. https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/libx86/1.1+ds1-2
[23:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, jaunty is there for ppa
[23:37] <et3> ls
[23:38] <et3> I'm having problems getting using bazaar