[00:14] <SpamapS> talk went fine... good practice for SCALE.. not many cloud users in ventura county. :-P
[00:27] <george_e> SpamapS: Somebody told me a GUI was in the works for Juju?
[00:27] <george_e> I've been working on one myself the last couple of days.
[00:30] <SpamapS> Oh I don't know about guis
[00:31] <SpamapS> I <heart> cmdline
[00:31]  * SpamapS realizes all his problems with his demo today were because he had a lucid AMI specified for some reason
[00:31] <george_e> Well me too... but a more accessible interface for beginners is always a good thing.
[00:32] <george_e> Plus it makes it a little easier to keep an eye on 'juju status'.
[00:32] <SpamapS> oohh and m1.large.. awesome, I spent like $8 on FAIL today
[00:33] <SpamapS> george_e: Ah, yeah I think its always been something planned
[00:33] <george_e> Well, if there _isn't_ anyone working on one - I am :)
[00:33] <SpamapS> george_e: I'd love an interface that just showed status in a pretty way :)
[00:33] <SpamapS> I did the gource thing.. but thats just a show
[00:33] <george_e> SpamapS: I will certainly make sure of that.
[00:34] <george_e> I plan to have a tree view that displays the services, units, etc. in a hierarchical manner.
[00:34] <george_e> Plus it can even make use of libnotify for errors.
[00:34] <george_e> That way you find out when something goes wrong.
[00:35] <SpamapS> Oh a native GUI?
[00:35] <SpamapS> I'd do it as an HTML5 app
[00:36] <SpamapS> george_e: notify is weak, use an indicator. :)
[00:36] <SpamapS> if you miss the notify.. you never know the problem. Indicator will let you turn the envelope blue. :)
[00:36] <george_e> SpamapS: It's going to be a Qt application - that's where my skills are.
[00:37] <SpamapS> sweet
[00:37] <george_e> I believe there is an AppIndicator package for Qt somewhere... but I don't think it made it into the Oneiric archives.
[01:04] <george_e> It's here by the way: https://launchpad.net/juju-gui
[01:04] <george_e> I have daily builds and a PPA set up for it.
[03:24] <marcoceppi> HTML5 app would be sweet too, that runs on the bootstrap <3
[03:25] <marcoceppi> For when you're out and about
[11:52] <nijaba> jcastro: done with my limesurvey charm.  Review welcome :) bug #899849
[11:52] <_mup_> Bug #899849: New charm (Limesurvey) <new-charm> <juju Charms Collection:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/899849 >
[16:31] <SpamapS_> nijaba: reviewing your limesurvey charm now
[16:51] <SpamapS_> nijaba: review done.. *SO* close
[16:51]  * SpamapS_ heads to brunch
[22:27] <nijaba> Thanks SpamapS.  Will try to fix and let you know :)
[22:31] <kees> hi! the docs are wrong for this IRC channel. ;) https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/faq.html
  ... we really need to figure out what is wrong with LXC
[22:34] <SpamapS> PTY allocation request failed on channel 0
[22:34] <SpamapS> :-/
[22:37] <SpamapS> kees: thanks, I'll fix that..
[22:37] <kees> so, I have had juju lose it's mind.
[22:38] <kees> it stopped launching systems, and complains that machine 9 is missing
[22:38] <kees> any ideas? :P
[22:40] <kees> MachineStateNotFound: Machine 9 was not found
[22:40] <kees> and no I can do no more provisioning.
[22:40] <kees> *now
[22:40] <SpamapS> Interesting
[22:40] <SpamapS> No I don't think I've seen that.. but I have seen the provisioning agent basically stop working..
[22:41] <SpamapS> kees: if you read the environment of the provisioning agent on machine 0, you can re-start it (or it might be upstart managed in more recent releases, I haven't checked)
[22:41] <SpamapS> kees: but I suspect its a probelm in ZK and the problem will continue.
[22:42] <kees> ZK?
[22:42] <kees> zookepper.
[22:42] <kees> *eeper
[22:42] <kees> where does it store the details? seems like I could just _remove_ machine 9
[22:42] <kees> can I restart zookeepers without wrecking all the running units?
[22:43] <SpamapS> kees: docs should referesh in the next hour
[22:43] <SpamapS> kees: Zookeeper yet
[22:43] <SpamapS> yeah
[22:43] <SpamapS> kees: you can restart zookeeper yes, though I believe it may cause the agents to spew copious errors... they might even die... I forget if that bug was fixed yet
[22:47] <SpamapS> kees: kees https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/861928  .. is this maybe your bug ?
[22:47] <_mup_> Bug #861928: provisioning agent gets confused when machines are terminated <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/861928 >
[22:50] <kees> SpamapS: yeah, that's totally my bug.
[22:50] <kees> SpamapS: any work-around?
[22:51] <SpamapS> kees: I think you probably have to dive into ZK and remove the machine node
[22:51] <kees> SpamapS: where does it store it?
[22:51] <kees> if agents die, can I restart them, or are they just totally hosed?
[22:53] <SpamapS> kees: you can restart them.. its getting easier with the branch that puts them in upstart jobs
[22:53] <SpamapS> actually that may have landed recently
[22:54] <kees> hrm, I'm using whatever is in oneiric
[22:54] <SpamapS> 398 ?
[22:54] <SpamapS> kees: so you may have to dig through the cloud-init bits to find the execution line
[22:55] <kees> to restart the agent, or fix ZK?
[22:58] <SpamapS> to restart the agent
[22:58] <SpamapS> to fix ZK, there's a zookeeper client on machine 0
[22:58] <kees> right
[23:00] <kees> and how do I tell that client to forget about machine 9? :)
[23:00] <SpamapS> /usr/share/zookeeper/bin/zkCli.sh I think
[23:01] <SpamapS> kees: rm /machines/machine-000000009
[23:01] <SpamapS> kees: I think
[23:02] <kees> "delete" instead of "rM" ?
[23:02] <kees> *rm?
[23:02] <SpamapS> maybe
[23:02] <kees> rm, Node does not exist: /machines/machine-000000009
[23:03] <SpamapS> ls /machines
[23:03] <SpamapS> nothing there?
[23:03]  * kees pokes harder
[23:03] <kees> nopes
[23:03] <kees> [machine-0000000025, machine-0000000024, machine-0000000000, machine-0000000001, machine-0000000010, machine-0000000006, machine-0000000007, machine-0000000008, machine-0000000002, machine-0000000023, machine-0000000004, machine-0000000005]
[23:03] <SpamapS> so..
[23:03] <SpamapS> it may be that the provisioning agent is internally confused
[23:03] <SpamapS> so restarting it may fix your problem
[23:05] <kees> and it doesn't live in /etc/init nor /etc/init.d
[23:06] <kees> SpamapS: is there a correct way to restart it? Or just kill it and run   python -m juju.agents.provision -n --logfile=/var/log/juju/provision-agent.log --pidfile=/var/run/juju/prov sion-agent.pid
[23:06] <kees> ?
[23:13] <SpamapS> kees: I think you might need to replicate some env vars
[23:14] <SpamapS> kees: have to run... good luck. ;)
[23:14] <kees> okay, thanks!


[00:20] <OvenWerks> DrMr looks nice. It would be a great companion to Hydrogen. Needs packaging though.
[00:27] <OvenWerks> zequence: here is the command people helping on IRC or where ever should know:
[00:28] <OvenWerks> cd /tmp && wget  http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[00:29] <OvenWerks> zequence: we should maybe make that adevices.sh part of our distro for audio trouble shooting. Or take the stuff inside and GUI it as part of controls.
[00:33] <OvenWerks> Wow, it even shows how far off a second device is from the first. My m66 shows up as 48000 but my AudioPCI is 48662.07 it says.
[02:42] <OvenWerks> QASmixer has a nicer icon for the systray. It is unique, the old one was the same as the Audio one we have already.
[02:43] <OvenWerks> Ardour 4.4.0 is one of the better versions (4.2.0 had a few bigger problems)
[02:47] <OvenWerks> we no longer have jackd 1.9.9  :)
[14:31] <sakrecoer_> Just realised that FontForge has gotten a serious facelift! :) It's a truley nice project!
[15:41] <sakrecoer_> They have AWESOME documentation! http://designwithfontforge.com/en-US/Introduction.html
[19:03] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: can we add a link on our wiki?
[19:13] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: i think it would be a great idea! :) not sure where...
[19:14] <sakrecoer_> need to get that graphic workflow doc draft done... feel a bit guilty it is taking such time..
[19:18] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: As you can see from my web page: http://www.ovenwerks.net/about.html I am not much of a visual person. That is why I generally stay away from website design.
[19:20] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: :) well, i for one like olschool html with funky colors! MAkes me feel like i am visiting an actual persons work!
[19:21] <OvenWerks> zequence: ^^^ is there a place on our web site to add pointers to off site manuals/tutorials?
[19:21] <sakrecoer_> i will include it in the drafts for graphics, i'm going to try to have teh article covering the graphics workflow by december...
[19:21] <sakrecoer_> *done* by december..
[19:21] <OvenWerks> right
[19:23] <sakrecoer_> feel free to check the spelling so far: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide/Graphics/draftpage
[19:24] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: there is a link on ubuntustudio.org in the header, for the documentation wiki
[19:25] <sakrecoer_> and also, do not hesitate in pushing me.... sometimes i need a little whipping to get busy.....
[19:27] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: a quick a display uses light and so add colours but a print starts with white and takes away colours might help those new to graphics understand why display and print are different.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: other than that the style looks good. I see no spelling mistakes... but I am far from the greatest speller :)
[19:39] <sakrecoer_> :) good! i have to go for a moment! talk to you soon! :)
[19:46] <OvenWerks> zequence: If we use zita-a2j and pulse bridging, there should be a way to easily disable it. The reason being that they all interfere with freewheel mode. The result can be that exporting audio in a DAW can end up with xruns.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: I may be able to detect if jack goes free wheel... but not if a client tries to free wheel and fails.


[22:57] <markmb> hello everyone
[22:58] <markmb> I'm trying to run a Ubuntu in QEMU ARM
[22:59] <markmb> I've finally been able to run by using Ubuntu Core rootfs, but I need a user and password
[23:00] <markmb> as I've seen, it has to be created by chroot or similar, but as it is ARM and my machine is i386, it doesn't work
[23:01] <markmb> where can I find a Ubuntu ARM rootfs to run with QEMU?


[13:03] <Toa> Hello! I use a version of Xubuntu 13.10 on July 22. I have the following problem: Indicator plugin does not work correctly. Adjusting the sound is not active. Screenshot - http://rghost.ru/47590052/image.png
[13:05] <elfy> Toa: yea - same thing here - just reporting it actually
[13:08] <Toa> What should I do?
[13:09] <elfy> mark the bug as affecting you - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1203739
[13:12] <elfy> Toa: possibly that will get marked as a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1202932
[14:14] <ochosi> elfy: is it possible that gtk2 support is finally gone for indicators? it has been fading away for the last few releases...
[14:14] <elfy> I'm guessing it's something like that
[14:15] <elfy> still got the network one left :)
[14:17] <ochosi> yeah, that's really a bad sign though...
[14:17] <ochosi> network is the one we need least, cause it falls back to trayicon if there's no indicator support
[14:19] <elfy> not having the vol one is a pita for people - not me - my sound card stays at about 80% and I control volume from amp
[20:13] <knome> damn, elfy's gone
[20:24] <Unit193> forestpiskie isn't.
[20:24] <knome> yeah, but fp's not going to answer me at this time
[22:31] <pleia2> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/07/xubuntu-stickers-go-on-sale
[22:31] <knome> pleia2, seen
[22:31] <pleia2> o
[22:31] <knome> pleia2, you're supposed to be away!
[22:31] <pleia2> I am, that's how I missed the news!
[22:32] <pleia2> I am in jono's community manager thingy
[22:32] <knome> lol
[22:32] <knome> how is it?
[22:32] <pleia2> it's good, but now he's talking about community managers reporting to bosses, so I am napping (ircing)
[22:32] <knome> lol
[22:33] <Unit193> "Community manager" always seems like a weird title.
[22:33] <pleia2> there actually are some concrete strategies coming out of the community manager movement that are good
[22:34] <knome> dare to elaborate?
[22:34] <pleia2> things like having a mission statement and vision so people can get excited about contributing, then breaking down tasks into 1/2 day items so new folks can get them done
[22:35] <knome> mhm
[22:35] <pleia2> we already do a fair amount of this, breaking down tasks so they aren't so scary
[22:36] <pleia2> but there are projects where I do it less, can improve a lot
[22:37] <knome> sure
[22:37] <knome> but does the community manager really do that?
[22:37] <knome> or is it his job?
[22:37] <knome> does jono cut up tasks to smaller ones?
[22:37] <pleia2> some
[22:37] <knome> or is he just telling others to do it
[22:38] <pleia2> strategy development, project management, making sure tools are there for projects and accountability
[22:38] <knome> sure, but that's not "breaking down tasks"
[22:38] <knome> but yeah, i agree
[22:38] <knome> it can be a good thing
[22:38]  * pleia2 pays attention again
[22:38] <knome> and i'm pretty sure jono is doing a good job - from his employers POV