[08:13] <dholbach> 0good morning
[08:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: good morning. did you have time yesterday to look into that test I mentioned ?
[08:29] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, morning! no, but I’m on it now, sorry for the delay
[08:29] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: no problem
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Day of People with Disability! :-D
[11:28] <t1mp> oSoMoN: hello
[11:29] <t1mp> oSoMoN: in webbrowser-app, does the address bar currently use a Panel or Toolbar?
[11:29] <oSoMoN> t1mp, it uses a Panel
[11:29] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ok. And there is no automatic hiding of that toolbar after inactivity, right?
[11:30]  * t1mp is checking that he doesn't break anything with some minor implementation changes to toolbar and panel
[11:31] <oSoMoN> t1mp, no
[11:32] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ok, thanks. final question: are all webbrowser autopilot tests supposed to pass on maguro?
[11:33] <t1mp> I'm running ubuntuuitoolkit tests now, but I'll run webbrowser tests also afterwards.
[11:33] <oSoMoN> t1mp, yes, they are
[11:34] <oSoMoN> t1mp, check the latest results at http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[11:34] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: hey. do you know what I need to do in order to make autopilot print the applications debug output?
[11:35] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: it seems to do that for me without me needing to do anything extra
[11:35] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: oh, wait, you mean the app output, not the test output
[11:35] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: yeah
[11:36] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: then AFAIK you can't. but you can tail -f the logfile that the app generates, let me find the path for you
[11:36] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: ah right...
[11:36] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: logs are in ~/.cache/upstart
[11:37] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: do an ls and you should be able to find your app's log (the names seems different if it's a click app, or legacy, or something else)
[11:38] <t1mp> oSoMoN: cool, thanks.
[11:40] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I’m running the test on the device with phablet-test-run -v, and here is some interesting output I’m getting: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6514021/
[11:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, clearly, it’s tapping at the wrong position on screen, the center of the only image in my gallery is more like at 230,640 on the screen
[11:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, so I would say you’re not selecting the right object
[11:41] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: hmm, i kind of copied that code from a gallery tests
[11:42] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: does autopilot vis work for you ? that would simplify things a lot if i could poke around the object tree that way
[11:42] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, wild guess: photo = grid.select_many("OrganicItemInteraction")[0] selects the item with the date, not the picture
[11:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if you check test_picker_mode.py in the gallery's tests, you have test_pick_first_photo(), which is where i took the code from. am i doing something totally different ?
[11:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: or subtly different but wrong ?
[11:46] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I don’t know, I’m not familiar with the gallery-app tests, the code seems to make sense, but from my observations it’s clearly not selecting the right object
[11:46] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I’d say subtly different but wrong
[11:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, if you dump the tree of objects to a file, you should be able to determine which item is the photo, by looking at the global rects
[11:52] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i tried that, dumps way too much stuff. i'll give it another shot and try to find the right item
[11:52] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it's really frustrating though that not even autopilot vis works
[11:53] <oSoMoN> yeah
[11:54] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, try grepping on the globalRects, since you know more or less where the photo lives on screen (the dimensions of maguro’s screen are 720×1280)
[11:54] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'll give that a shot
[11:58] <nerochiaro> om26er: any idea why running apps on the desktop with -testability fails with this error: "Library qttestability load failed!"
[11:59] <om26er> nerochiaro, probably due to incompatible versions of python-autopilot and autopilot-qt
[12:00] <nerochiaro> om26er: can that be fixed ? it's been around for weeks
[12:01] <om26er> nerochiaro, sorry, i got shifted to doing totally different things. I am going to email the autopilot guys, or can you send an email to the autopilot mailing list ?
[12:02] <nerochiaro> om26er: i'd appreciate if you could do that, as you know the problem and the tool better than i do
[12:02] <om26er> nerochiaro, Ok
[12:07] <nerochiaro> om26er: thanks
[12:22] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: what was the function to dump the object tree ?
[13:57] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i don't know what's going on in the gallery, but printing the tree confirms that that OrganicItemInteraction is the right children of the grid to click on (it has inside the mousearea that reacts to the click and the overlay that signals the selection)
[13:58] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: so either autopilot is reportig the wrong globalRect or the move function is moving the cursor to the wrong place
[14:01] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I notice that you’re first moving the cursor to the item, then clicking, how about just clicking on the item? not that I expect it will make a difference, but it would make for shorter code anyway
[14:07] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: doesn't make any difference indeed
[14:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'm kind of blocked by this to be honest
[14:09] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, how many OrganicItemInteraction does the select_many(…) call returns? and how many images do you have in your library
[14:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i have one, and select_many returns one
[14:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, and what’s the values of its global rect?
[14:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: 24,195 216x216
[14:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, is this consistent with where the photo appears on screen?
[14:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i would say so
[14:20] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, just a random idea: add an image to your library, and print information about all the instances of OrganicItemInteraction returned by select_many(…)
[14:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[14:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: hmm, 24, 195 and 252, 195... that's fishy, i thought 24 was the x
[14:26] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yes, globalRect is x,y,w,h
[14:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, this is really weird: if i have 2 images, and click on the first, it works
[14:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, could it be a race condition with the position of the photo? try adding a sleep(2) before clicking on the photo, and see if that makes a difference
[14:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: already done, no difference
[14:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and if i delete one photo i have the same issue again, adding one more fixes it
[14:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but with three pictures it is broken again
[14:32] <nerochiaro> wtf ?
[17:04] <nerochiaro> bfiller: sent you an email with a lot of details about what is going wrong in these integration tests for browser content picker, and CC'd om26er . If you need any other detail to be able to take it from there let me know
[17:06] <bfiller> nerochiaro: great, thanks


[13:32] <misGnomer> Pls point me elsewhere if needed, but I'd need to know how to open root terminal under Intrepid's Guest Account...
[13:33] <misGnomer> It's an internet cafe and the owner would like to do system maintenance from within the guest account
[13:48] <misGnomer> Or maybe this cannot be done from the desktop and it needs some terminal-fu to open a regula user account; I'll look into that...
[13:48] <crevette> this is not the right chan for that, but you should type "sudo su -" in a console
[13:48] <crevette> and give the user password
[13:49] <misGnomer> Big thanks and sorry  :^)
[22:42] <sglasser> question about networkManager/
[22:42] <Nafallo> sglasser: is it a developer related questions or support?
[22:43] <sglasser> networkManager > wlan0 seems to make dhcp request every 60 seconds...
[22:43] <sglasser> possible bug...or "feature"
[22:44] <Nafallo> that's not developer related. please use #ubuntu for support.
[22:44] <sglasser> kk, is there really anyone in that channel that's expert?
[22:46] <Nafallo> that's not an expert question...
[22:46] <Nafallo> however. this is not the place.


[14:09] <ia> Hello. Can someone, please, take a look at bug 951540 - any confirmations or duplicates?


[00:26] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I don't think unity-control-center really has an owner now, maybe ask Trevinho if he wants to review the screen-sharing merge
[09:01] <willcooke> morning
[09:01] <Laney> hey hey!
[09:02] <seb128> good morning ukers
[09:04] <Laney> hey seb128, happy friday
[09:05] <Laney> there are a few flakes of snow outside!
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, happy friday indeed!
[09:08] <seb128> heh, here it's raining as well but it's rather hail than snow
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, did you have a fun evening? where is the photo of you with your best jumper? :)
[09:21] <Laney> seb128: yeah it was fun, lots of christmassy songs
[09:21] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCZR5HySkQ
[09:21] <Laney> i forgot to take a picture :(
[09:21] <willcooke> :(
[09:21] <Laney> maybe somebody else did though, will send it over if someone forwards me one
[09:24] <seb128> I don't know if that's google calendar being a crappy solution or how people are using it but it keeps annoying me
[09:24] <seb128> like I never understand what/why events change from the emails
[09:44] <seb128> hum
[09:44] <seb128> I wonder why my firefox wants to open on "about:startpage" which is an invalid url
[09:46] <willcooke> seb128, sounds like you still have ubufox enabled perhaps?
[09:48] <seb128> it's marked as desactivated because obsolete
[11:37] <Laney> should we skip the gvfs tests on ppc64el/s390x? dok_o raised in #ubuntu-release
[11:41] <Laney> although to be fair they're not exactly great on other arches either
[11:41] <Laney> maybe someone should look into that
[12:20] <seb128> Laney, wfm, having a look would be nice but I'm not sure who we have around atm who has slots for that
[12:22] <Laney> mmm
[14:14] <jbicha> willcooke: if you're looking for extra stuff for the weekly newsletter, there's https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-noto-color-emoji/0~20171204-1
[14:15] <jbicha> https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-emoji/pull/181
[14:16] <jbicha> less blushing too: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/noto-fonts//+/0b18fc5
[14:18] <willcooke> thanks jbicha, just going through the meeing notes now.  If there isn';t enough this week I'll do a bigger one next week
[14:21] <jbicha> seb128: I filed LP: #1737053 but it needs a bug subscriber
[14:21] <seb128> hey jbicha, happy friday
[14:22]  * seb128 looks at that "yet another MIR"
[14:22] <jbicha> sorry :(
[14:23] <seb128> we have an issue that the MIR team isn't really active atm :/
[14:23] <seb128> jbicha, desktop-bugs subscribed
[14:24] <jbicha> thank you
[14:24] <seb128> np
[14:28] <doko> and for the fonts mir ... we need some bureaucracy to get new bug subscribers for the packages, and a statement that it really is just a split
[14:33] <jbicha> how much bureaucracy is needed for font packages? it's not like we really do SRUs or security updates for them
[14:34] <jbicha> doko: but since you brought up font MIRs, could we talk you into reviewing LP: #1734885 ?
[14:37] <Nafallo> seb128: did you tag it #yam ? ;-)
[14:37] <Nafallo> (for Yet Another MIR)
[14:39] <seb128> Nafallo, I should :)
[14:39] <doko> we need bug scubscribers, and the statement from the package owners, that the package is ok from main from their point of view. which shouldn't be much work for a package split
[14:40] <seb128> doko, speaking of mirs, do you if anyone is active in the ubuntu-mir team? there is a stack of reports waiting unreviewed since the summer and some blocking updates/things to build (like libblockdev needed for the new udisks which gnome-disk-utility depwaits on)
[14:41] <doko> both cypher mox and n acc are currently away ...
[14:41] <jbicha> aren't you on the mir team too though?
[14:41] <seb128> doko, they are away since august? ;)
[14:42] <doko> ohh, didrocks is on this team as well ...
[14:42] <seb128> he's away until new year though
[14:42] <seb128> he didn't take any vac day between january and december
[14:42] <jbicha> !
[14:42] <doko> seb128: there is no MIR for udisks
[14:43] <seb128> I asked him if he could unblock one (gnome-charmap) before his holidays but looks like he didn't manage to squeeze that one
[14:43] <seb128> doko, libblockdev
[14:43] <seb128> udisks2 is already in main
[14:44] <doko> can't find that either
[14:45] <jbicha> LP: #1735499
[14:45] <jbicha> oops, I hadn't subscribed ubuntu-mir until now
[14:47] <doko> aha ... seb128: so that one was filed 10 days ago, not "this summer", and the MIR got aware of it only now ...
[14:48] <seb128> doko, right, the summer ones are things like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-todo/+bug/1713171 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-characters/+bug/1713176 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/switcheroo-control/+bug/1691585
[14:50] <jbicha> LP: #1709164
[14:52] <seb128> jbicha, that one probably needs security team review/input though
[14:53] <jbicha> yes, should the MIR team forward it to security?
[14:53] <doko> yes, state that a security review is needed and assign to the security team
[14:54] <jbicha> doko: I mean that used to be the MIR team's job to do that…
[14:56] <jbicha> number 4 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[14:56] <seb128> jbicha, yes, it just hasn't been reviewed by the mir team yet, I expect they are going to bounce to security once they do
[15:20] <doko> jbicha, seb128: libbockdev review done, set to incomplete
[15:21] <seb128> doko, thanks
[15:23] <seb128> mdeslaur, so looking at that .local permission bug, did you figure out what component is creating the dir or just listed the ones that have code create it and using wrong permissions?
[15:46] <jbicha> doko: would Foundations like to be the bug subscriber for libblockdev?
[15:47] <doko> jbicha: why, udisks2 has another bug subscriber
[15:48] <jbicha> doko: cool, would Foundations like to be the bug subscribe for udisks2? ;)
[15:48] <doko> no ;p
[15:50] <jbicha> I guess I need to work on my persuasion skills 🙁
[15:51] <jbicha> doko: isn't udisks2 the kind of thing that Foundations should be responsible for?
[15:51] <doko> isn't udisks2 demotable if the using package is demoted?
[15:54] <jbicha> seb128: um, do you want to subscribe Desktop Bugs to libblockdev?
[15:57] <seb128> doko, jbicha, it's not like that subscription meant anything in practice so adding desktop-bugs, udisks should be maintained by foundation as they maintain systemd and other low level services but arguing over that here isn't going to lead anywhere I feel
[16:00] <seb128> jbicha, subscribed
[16:19] <jbicha> I don't understand what could cause LP: #1737083
[16:34] <jbicha> Trevinho: are you around?
[17:07] <seb128> jbicha, today is an holiday in Italy
[17:08] <jbicha> thanks, it's hard to keep track of what timezone he's in :)
[17:08] <seb128> he's still in south america
[17:08] <jbicha> see!
[17:08] <seb128> but he tends to have shifted hours and often work at night so who knows
[17:08] <seb128> jbicha, that but I would bet on an outdated schemas in /usr/local or such
[17:09] <seb128> having the procmaps would help
[17:09] <kenvandine> it's interesting, turning swap off completely has made chromium not use nearly as much memory
[17:09] <jbicha> seb128: do you want to comment there? I'm not familiar with procmaps
[17:09] <seb128> jbicha, sure
[17:49] <jbicha> pitti: any objections if we remove python-blockdev (from source libblockdev ) ?
[17:50] <jbicha> since it's pretty new and we don't need python2 packages if nothing depends on them
[18:15] <Laney> night
[18:15] <Laney> happy weekend!
[18:15] <Laney> hope we get snowwwwwWWWww
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> Laney, I've got my fingers crossed too
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> we never get snow though
[18:18] <willcooke> night all, have a good weekend!
[19:25] <kenvandine> Laney, snowing here!
[19:25] <kenvandine> too warm to stick though


[00:00] <sudobash> really?
[00:00] <subsume> there is another wifi router that has lights a blinking.
[00:00] <subsume> yeah.
[00:00] <sudobash> so when you plug your client in the 3com it works
[00:00] <subsume> there is another 3com
[00:00] <subsume> not identical. no hard plugs in the back
[00:00] <subsume> anyway, the second 3 com is flashing fine, which leads me to believe that IT is connecting the clients to the server
[00:01] <sudobash> this is a strange network i am trying to picture in my mind but i follow
[00:01] <subsume> yeah. sorry. it is weird.
[00:01] <subsume> there is a blue box up there
[00:01] <sudobash> well here is a suggestion to just do a test real quick
[00:01] <subsume> with LOTS of connections
[00:01] <subsume> and everything is connected to it I guess.
[00:01] <subsume> oh wait, sorry, there's a black box too. ugh.
[00:02] <subsume> anyway... yeah? test?
[00:02] <sudobash> most likely your hard NIC connection you are on right now which is on the net as we speak is running DHCP
[00:02] <sudobash> so it got an IP from the router/switch/whatever you plugged it into
[00:02] <subsume> ok
[00:02] <subsume> and most likely the server is also plugged into it
[00:03] <sudobash> so is that the IP in the PM you sent me (ifconfig)
[00:03] <sudobash> <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:03] <subsume> its another client connected via wifi to the LAN
[00:03] <subsume> yes. 150
[00:03] <sudobash> so <IP_ADDRESS> is you and you are talking to me right now
[00:03] <subsume> nah.  I'm trying to trace the cause of a failed client startup.
[07:11] <kgoetz> hi all. just wondering.
[07:11] <kgoetz> i saw on the -doc wiki pages that theres meant to be no large scale changes to doco made. does this mean its to late to try and ammend the install guide for edubuntu?
[07:13] <RichEd> mr kgoetz sir ... greetings and my opinion
[07:14] <RichEd> if the changes will make the users' lives easier, and are signinficant, i will help you make a plan to get them in
[07:14] <RichEd> if they are not just signinininificant,  but are actually significant even, then doubly so
[07:14] <kgoetz> sir RichEd mr , good to see you again
[07:16] <kgoetz> i'll see what i can manage re doco then. no promice unfortunately - work is keeping me fairly busy
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> arvo :) home again
[08:27] <pygi> kgoetz, what we can do tho is do the work post-release, and then I'll also help
[08:28] <pygi> it's time we get that on the track again
[08:28] <pygi> we had problems with documentation since edubuntu started to exist
[08:30] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser, ^_^
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> pygi, yeah. perhaps i'll learn to manage my time a little better and fit in actual edu work after release *heh*
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i find the new installer quite strange
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should really start using bzr as the RCS it is (and commit stuff after changing)
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> it would seem the alpha6 cds are broken
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'no kernel modules were found' :|
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> or am i not meant to use it as a 'install on boot' type cd? hm.
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres a sort of add on thing in userland
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure how to use it though
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> think i've got it at least partly sussed
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll do some work to try and rewrite the handbook tonight
[11:47] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, btw ...  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/images/8.04/
[11:47] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, ^^^
[11:47] <ogra_cmpc> i'd appreciate some installer testing
[11:48] <Nubae> ogra, you around? just a quick question about accessing a remote floppy drive to write to
[11:48]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt have any floppies
[11:48] <Nubae> ie, accessing from a thin client, writing to the same thin client's floppy
[11:48] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: url loaded this morning in browser ... image file already in my download tool ... been trying to make space for 600MB target file
[11:48] <Nubae> the floppy is installed here right /tmp/.username-ltspfs/floppy0?
[11:48] <ogra_cmpc> sblaneav wrote the whole floppy part in ltspfs, he seems to be the only ltsp dev having floppies at all
[11:49] <Nubae> hmm, I need to install images to floppies, and the only floppy drives are on my thin clients
[11:49] <ogra_cmpc> it should create that mountpoint on the server, yes
[11:49] <Nubae> seems silly to install linux just to do that
[11:49] <ogra_cmpc> oh
[11:49] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: unrelated ... Kamping_Kaiser / kgoetz had some queries about time left to amend install instructions for the manual
[11:50] <RichEd> he is keen to give some input / do some changes / additions
[11:50] <ogra_cmpc> why dont you just boot a client with SCREEN_02=shell and do it in the client console then with direcdt access
[11:50] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, you will need to dd the image to the device, dd wont work overthe net, it needs direct access to the hw anyway
[11:50] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: scroll back and read when you have a chance and comment here or to me and karl by email
[11:50] <RichEd> ta
[11:51] <ogra_cmpc> will do during that day
[11:51]  * ogra_cmpc just tries to get awake after staying up until 5am last night
[11:51] <Nubae> ah, thanks, didnt think of that
[11:51] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: i guessed you were either sleep deprived, or still busy with an extended monday :)
[11:52] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[11:52] <RichEd> that's why i left you in peace so far today
[11:52] <RichEd> but kudos on the 8.04 image
[11:52] <ogra_cmpc> need to get the daily builds running, i want to be done with the automation before beta
[11:53] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc, ah, thanks, I've been meaning to ask you for that link again
[11:54]  * highvoltage initiallises download
[11:54] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, oh, btw, any news from jill wrt artwork .... time is getting tight, i fear we'll have to release with 7.10 artwork if we dont get anything this week
[11:54] <RichEd> i'll poke her today ... in a manner of speaking
[11:54] <ogra_cmpc> ok
[11:55] <RichEd> i presume no actual action from the flurry of talk on the main art-work thread
[11:55] <ogra_cmpc> hrmm, at least a fresh wallpaper would be nice ...
[11:56] <ogra_cmpc> but given the beuty of the hardy one in ubuntu we have no big chances anyway
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> and a slightly less angy red ;)
[11:56] <ogra_cmpc> *BEAUTY
[11:56] <ogra_cmpc> oops
[11:56] <ogra_cmpc> damed caps
[11:56] <ogra_cmpc> Kamping_Kaiser, angry ?
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra_cmpc, map caps to another control. works a treat
[11:57] <ogra_cmpc> thats christmas red :)
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra_cmpc, really? i find it 'temper reducing' red :)
[11:58] <ogra_cmpc> well, its only the window borders anyway :)
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah
[11:58] <ogra_cmpc> and apparently ubuntu followed our orange in the gtk theme with hardy
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i noticed it was a bit orangy - it converted quite hapily into edubuntu though
[12:00] <highvoltage> hmm, I'll have to go get a 1GB usb disk
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> does the edubuntu expantion cd work with kubuntu, or just ubuntu?
[12:00] <ogra_cmpc> Kamping_Kaiser, noetworkless will only work with ubuntu
[12:00] <ogra_cmpc> *networkless
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra_cmpc, thanks for that
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> *notes*
[12:01] <ogra_cmpc> but with working network you can install it anywhere
[12:01] <ogra_cmpc> the packages on the CD only depend on ubuntu desktop atm ...
[12:01] <ogra_cmpc> so you will miss libs on kde
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was just making notes for a rewrite of the install instructions, so i thought i'd ask about that
[12:03]  * ogra_cmpc scratches his head ...
[12:03] <ogra_cmpc> i have two identical classmates ... both were installed from the new image last night ....
[12:03] <ogra_cmpc> on both i installed htop after install
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> if i boot them both and run a bare desktop one uses 120M and the other one uses 204
[12:04] <Nubae> can I do anything but restart the server when this happens in my chroot: umount /proc
[12:04] <Nubae> umount: /proc: device is busy
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats... bizzare
[12:04]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt understand how thats possible
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, type: mount
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> it should give you a full path
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> unmount the full path, not only /proc
[12:06] <Nubae> thanks that worked
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh. i broke my docbook again
[13:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> who do i ping about shipit.edubuntu.org ? in two lines it uses "Edubuntu" then "EdUbuntu", and i think the latter needs fixing :)
[13:42] <ogra> i think mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would help, not sure there is something in LP to file bugs though
[13:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll do that. thanks
[13:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, is the addon cd supposed to have d-i on it?
[13:51] <ogra> no, but gfxboot ... there is a bug open
[13:51] <ogra> i have to build a custom screen for that without menu
[13:51]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to find out what gfxboot is
[13:52] <ogra> the cd bootscreen with the installer menu
[13:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm assuming that your meant to boot up ubuntu then install edubuntu from in there, not as a bootup thing?
[13:53] <ogra> you asked about d-i on the addon cd
[13:53] <ogra> not about ubuntu :)
[13:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah i did
[13:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> the only way i worked out to use the addon cd was load ubuntu then install edubuntu from in there
[13:55] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: cc me in that shipit test ... we need to chat tomorrow at the weekly meeting about knock on effects of the name changes
[13:55] <RichEd> ta
[13:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. meeting
[13:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, do you have an @ubuntu address?
[14:01] <RichEd> yes richard@
[14:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> what time is the meeting?
[14:01] <RichEd> ta
[14:01] <RichEd> tomorrow is 12h00 UTC i think
[14:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger.
[14:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm probably at SA AUUG still (but i will try to make it)
[14:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all.
[14:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll probably not look at edubuntu today (which it is for me currently), but perhaps in a few days after this
[16:49] <Sir_Remoz> hi
[17:47] <highvoltage> 48% [++++++++++++[17:50]  * LaserJock sends highvoltage some real internet
[17:51] <highvoltage> :)
[17:51] <highvoltage> how are things in LaserWorld?
[17:52] <LaserJock> uggg
[17:52] <LaserJock> grading lab reports
[17:53] <highvoltage> ah. well, at least you get to play with lasers.
[17:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:53] <LaserJock> our new one is sweet
[17:53] <LaserJock> very quiet
[17:54] <highvoltage> seen this? http://www.geekologie.com/2008/03/hercules_laser_sounds_powerful.php
[17:54] <highvoltage> that would really look nice in my bedroom.
[17:57] <LaserJock> geeze, that is hawwwt
[17:59] <highvoltage> 20 billion trillion watts. I kind of find it hard to believe, but I'm not qualified to argue with such numbers :)
[17:59] <highvoltage> i mean, 300 terrawatts
[18:00] <LaserJock> I think my laser is 200 megawatts
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc_> LaserJock, there is a hardy classmate image btw
[18:00] <LaserJock> I saw something in -devel about that ;-)
[18:00] <LaserJock> I'll have to grab it and give it a go
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc_> yeah
[18:00] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: mine is coming down slowly but surely, about halfway now
[18:01] <ogra_cmpc_> its a real installer now
[18:01] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: it will be done by the morning
[18:01] <highvoltage> LaserJock: wow, that's still a lot of energy
[18:01] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: btw, does the installer enable swap by any chance?
[18:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: it is
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc_> heh, no
[18:02] <LaserJock> and I stuck my finger in it the other day
[18:02] <LaserJock> made a loud snap
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc_> i dont want to be sued for trashing flashdisks within a week of operation
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc_> highvoltage, you cant swap to flash
[18:02] <ogra_cmpc_> at least if you want to keep it alive for a while
[18:03] <ogra_cmpc_> flash has limited amounts of write operations before it dies
[18:03] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: hmm, ok. I swap to flash quite often. I think that they last longer than people give them credit for, but then again, I don't want you to be sued either, so it's best to play it safe :)
[18:03] <highvoltage> so do hard disks.
[18:03] <ogra_cmpc_> well, thats a1:100000 ratio
[18:04] <ogra_cmpc_> flash devices dies way earlier
[18:04] <highvoltage> i used to swap to my one flash disk for more than a year. it's a pity I lost it, I would've liked to know how long it would've lasted
[18:04] <ogra_cmpc_> *die
[18:04] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: are there plans to increase memory, or to decrease memory usage?
[18:04] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: or should I first check the new image before I ask more questions? :)
[18:04] <ogra_cmpc_> try the image
[18:04] <LaserJock> ogra: does Jane know about your auntie-silber folder? ;-)
[18:04] <highvoltage> ok
[18:04] <highvoltage> LaserJock: oO
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc_> LaserJock, not sure
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc_> but it was like a fairytale session
[18:05] <ogra_cmpc_> so i had to take pics :)
[18:09] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: maybe this idea is just as crazy as swapping to flash...
[18:09] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: but would it be viable for the classmates to find a "swap server" over the network with avahi or something and swap to there like in LTSP?
[18:10] <highvoltage> hmm, ok already see the flaw in it
[18:10] <LaserJock> ewww
[18:10] <highvoltage> if they're out of wireless range their machines would die :-/
[18:10] <ogra_cmpc_> technically it would be possible though :)
[18:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: well, slow swap would at least be better than now swap on low memory systems
[18:10] <highvoltage> *no
[18:10] <LaserJock> well
[18:10] <ogra_cmpc_> yeah, you dont want network swapping via lan
[18:10] <ogra_cmpc_> err
[18:10] <ogra_cmpc_> wlan
[18:11] <highvoltage> *nod*
[18:11] <LaserJock> swap coming in-and-out is worse than no swap
[18:11] <ogra_cmpc_> and to be honest i dont see a real ne4ed for swap
[18:11] <LaserJock> as I go around the house ;-)
[18:11] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: heh, I see your fingers haven't gotten smaller yet :)
[18:11] <ogra_cmpc_> i'm currently running ff with three tabs open, xchat with about 20 channels and three gnome terminals here
[18:11] <LaserJock> ff3?
[18:12] <LaserJock> that's quite a bit
[18:12] <highvoltage> no kde applications though?
[18:12] <ogra_cmpc_> ff3
[18:12] <ogra_cmpc_> htop shows i'm using 173M
[18:12] <highvoltage> ooh, htop FTW!
[18:12] <ogra_cmpc_> still more than 60 free :)
[18:13] <highvoltage> ok, that's a big improvement on the old image then.
[18:13] <ogra_cmpc_> g-a-i is usable (with unuverse disabled at least)
[18:13] <ogra_cmpc_> *universe
[18:13] <LaserJock> heck of a lot better than Windows
[18:13] <highvoltage> I considered making a spec for making htop the default in ubuntu, but I don't think the old gaurd would ever want to approve it.
[18:13] <LaserJock> I could have pretty much only 1 major app open at a time
[18:13] <ogra_cmpc_> sadly it needs more than 100M for the package cache if you use universe
[18:14] <LaserJock> ahh
[18:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: besides that, how well does windows run from flash?
[18:14] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: shew, I never realised that
[18:14] <LaserJock> highvoltage: surprisingly well
[18:14] <ogra_cmpc_> highvoltage, no, htop is surely nothing for having it by default ... but it should be in main (and probably shipped on teh cd)
[18:14] <LaserJock> it's responsive, apps load fairly well
[18:14] <LaserJock> just run out of memory easily
[18:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: *nod*
[18:15] <LaserJock> I couldn't even install acrobat reader because it ran out of memory during install ;-)
[18:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: but doesn't ubuntu have a policy to not have two of the same type of tools in main?
[18:15] <ogra_cmpc_> win is a bit sparse if it comes to apps
[18:15] <ogra_cmpc_> :)
[18:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: or has that been changed?
[18:15] <ogra_cmpc_> it has been ignored for a while
[18:15] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hah!
[18:15] <LaserJock> highvoltage: for some value of "same"
[18:15] <ogra_cmpc_> else xfce would never have made it to main :)
[18:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: ok, I always thought they could be a bit more leniant on that rule
[18:16] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: for one, I really think dnsmasq should be in main
[18:16] <LaserJock> the goal is to minimize duplicates
[18:16] <ogra_cmpc_> the whole support system is changing though
[18:16] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: but I'll get that fixed when I'm core-dev one day :)
[18:16] <ogra_cmpc_> the infrastructure is able to build images from universe ... so xubuntu moved out of main
[18:16] <ogra_cmpc_> that will result in more drops from main
[18:17] <LaserJock> but next it'll all go away :-)
[18:17] <ogra_cmpc_> probably
[18:17] <highvoltage> what do you mean, LaserJock?
[18:17] <highvoltage> ah, the seperation between main and universe?
[18:17] <LaserJock> yes
[18:17] <highvoltage> cool, one big main like in debian.
[18:18] <ogra_cmpc_> ??
[18:18] <highvoltage> then we'll freeze up more cmpc's :)
[18:18] <ogra_cmpc_> debian has separation as we do
[18:18] <highvoltage> or you, at least. I can't take credit for something like that yet.
[18:18] <highvoltage> well, their main and universe is combined at least
[18:18] <LaserJock> not a Main/Universe separation
[18:18] <highvoltage> they just seperate on licencing afaik
[18:18] <LaserJock> a Main/Multiverse type separation
[18:18] <ogra_cmpc_> right
[18:18] <highvoltage> yep
[18:19] <highvoltage> fedora also had that kind of seperation, also joined it together a while back.
[18:21] <LaserJock> dang it, Hardy's going to fast
[18:22]  * ogra_cmpc_ curses intel once more for not providing a reset button
[18:30] <highvoltage> that's not Intel-unique. notbooks generally don't have them :)
[18:32] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc_: get my pm?
[18:32] <ogra_cmpc_> yes ... i always forget you cant read me
[18:33] <ogra_cmpc_> its the right url
[18:33] <LaserJock> danke
[18:33] <ogra_cmpc_> :)
[18:33] <LaserJock> I was at my grandfather's house over the weekend
[18:34] <LaserJock> and he had a DVD of flying over Germany shot from a helicopter
[18:34] <ogra_cmpc_> training your german ?
[18:34] <LaserJock> they had some really awesome shots of some of the castles
[18:34]  * ogra_cmpc_ woders why all people alwas learn their german from war movies ...
[18:34] <LaserJock> I think it was mostly Bavaria that I saw
[18:34] <LaserJock> hahaha
[18:35] <ogra_cmpc_> scotties favorite is das boot
[18:35] <LaserJock> it's what we've got
[18:35] <LaserJock> heh
[18:35] <ogra_cmpc_> and he can quote accentfree from that
[18:35] <LaserJock> yes, I can do a pretty good "English with German accent" ;-)
[18:36] <ogra_cmpc_> yeah its awkward to come from a country thats known for its killing devices and poison mixing skills
[18:36] <LaserJock> not so great with the "German with an English accent"
[18:36] <LaserJock> I think of the great philosophers and scientists
[18:36] <ogra_cmpc_> about 150 years ago, yes
[18:37] <LaserJock> there's still a lot of science
[18:37] <ogra_cmpc_> inded
[18:37] <LaserJock> lots of people here go to German for post-doctoral work
[18:37] <LaserJock> *Germany
[18:37] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: if it's any consolation, here in South Africa we also *really* love your cars :)
[18:38] <ogra_cmpc_> but the times where my country brounght up people like einstein kant or goethe are definately over
[18:38] <highvoltage> (and general German design)
[18:38] <highvoltage> well, an ogra is better than nothing.
[18:38] <highvoltage> *duck*
[18:38] <ogra_cmpc_> lol
[18:38] <LaserJock> yeah, we got ogra!
[18:38] <LaserJock> and some say dholbach but he's really french so he doesn't count ;-)
[18:39] <highvoltage> really!?
[18:39] <ogra_cmpc_> i'm just a slacker that found the easiest way to slack paid ...
[18:39] <highvoltage> LaserJock: don't forget asac
[18:39] <LaserJock> highvoltage: no, I just tease him about being so huggy
[18:39] <highvoltage> LaserJock: aaah :)
[18:39] <ogra_cmpc_> hehe
[18:39] <LaserJock> german people aren't supposed to be so huggy and smiley :-)
[18:40] <ogra_cmpc_> that were our grandparents :)
[18:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:41] <LaserJock> there's a german lady that is my grandmother's sister-in-law
[18:41] <ogra_cmpc_> its like the myth that we all eat kraut all the time :)
[18:41] <LaserJock> and she's always at my grandfather's house
[18:41] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's a good thing he is german, otherwise http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/album/udsparis2006/800_PICT0136.jpg.html would've been even *more* inacurate!
[18:42] <LaserJock> ugg, kraut
[18:42] <LaserJock> that stuff smells so awful
[18:42] <LaserJock> I'll take the sausage, but leave the kraut
[18:42] <highvoltage> I didn't know what kraut was, so I asked a bot:
 highvoltage: Kraut n : offensive terms for a person of German descent [syn: {Kraut}, {Krauthead}, {Boche}, {Jerry}, {Hun}]
[18:43] <highvoltage> is that right?
[18:43] <LaserJock> heh
[18:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:44] <LaserJock> but we're talking about sauerkraut
[18:44] <highvoltage> aah
[18:44] <ogra_cmpc_> yeah
 highvoltage: sauerkraut n : shredded cabbage fermented in brine
[18:47] <highvoltage> I've been meaning to blog about this... but about two weeks ago, I bought a mac mini
[18:47] <highvoltage> played a bit with OSX too.
[18:47] <highvoltage> I had such high expectations for OSX, I must say that it's given me a new appreciation for Gnome
[18:48] <LaserJock> pfft
[18:48] <LaserJock> you gotta get used to it
[18:48] <highvoltage> there are often people who complain that Gnome is too simplistic, and doesn't have enough features.
[18:48] <highvoltage> but OSX is way more extreme like that.
[18:48] <LaserJock> I'm a big OS X fan, except for the app install/maintenance
[18:48] <highvoltage> it feels too simplistic even for a gnome user like me :)
[18:49] <highvoltage> oh yes, the app install part is absolutely horrible.
[18:49] <highvoltage> I'd say even worse than windows
[18:49] <LaserJock> don't know if I'd *quite* go there, but it's interesting
[18:49] <highvoltage> I'm still not sure what I do wrong, but sometimes when I drag an application to Applications, it seems to install it fine from the installtion image, but then after a reboot, the installation image is gone again, and so is the app
[18:50] <LaserJock> weird, I've never had that I don't think
[18:50] <highvoltage> OSX is snappy at least. it has a real low-latency feel to it.
[18:50] <highvoltage> and I like the hardware, the remote that comes with it is also quite nice to have.
[18:51] <highvoltage> I think being not-used-to-a-BSD-like-system also annoyed me a bit
[18:51] <highvoltage> I'm terribly used to be able to do things like cat /proc/filesystems
[18:51] <highvoltage> (and also to systems that support a wide variety of filesystems, since I'm on that topic)
[18:51] <highvoltage> but... I've installed Ubuntu on it, and it flies
[18:52] <LaserJock> you could always run KDE on it if you don't like the DE ;-)
[18:52] <highvoltage> I'm tempted to try that.
[18:52] <highvoltage> I'd even like to install Windows somewhere just to see how KDE would run on it.
[18:53] <highvoltage> but that's quite low on my priority list. :)
[18:56] <LaserJock> I gotta re-figure out squeak's license
[18:57] <highvoltage> never looked at it. which license is it under? or is it their own license?
[18:57] <LaserJock> the VM that is. first we had it as the squeak license, then the upstream guys say it's GPL, now I think it's some weird GPL+
[18:57] <highvoltage> GPL+?
[18:58] <LaserJock> GPL + added "stuff"
[18:58] <highvoltage> I find that terribly wierd.
[18:58] <LaserJock> there are 3 different licensing files in the source
[18:58] <highvoltage> I've seen one guy saying that all his stuff is GPL, with a custom exception that it may not be used for commercial derivative work.
[18:59] <LaserJock> heh, yeah
[18:59] <highvoltage> that kind of defeats the purpose of using a GPL license in the first place.
[19:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock: is it licensed used for different pieces of source, or is it all multi-licensed?
[19:00] <LaserJock> perhaps
[19:01] <LaserJock> "(If you received this file as part of a Squeak distribution then  please stop here and refer instead to the copyright notices in the individual files and to those in the file `LICENSE'.)"
[19:02] <LaserJock> that's the top of the COPYRIGHT file that has the GPL
[19:02] <LaserJock> now I
[19:02] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure what he means by "Squeak distribution"
[19:02] <LaserJock> but I'm guessing that's when you ship a squeak image along with the VM since the squeak image is licensed under the Squeak license
[19:03] <LaserJock> we have them broken up, so I'm guessing we don't have to worry about that
[19:04] <highvoltage> yeah
[19:04] <LaserJock> however
[19:04] <LaserJock> this is the COPYING file in the same dir: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5588/
[19:06] <highvoltage> wow, what an awfully written license
[19:06] <highvoltage> (no offence to squeak)
[19:07] <highvoltage> hmm, it seems to say that if you derive, you must replace the license with a GPLv2 license
[19:08] <highvoltage> (line 68 and down)
[19:08] <highvoltage> oh, sorry, I misunderstood
[19:08] <highvoltage> or did I?
[19:08] <LaserJock> I think that's about it
[19:08] <highvoltage> it's a bit ambiguous for me.
[19:09] <highvoltage> it's quite interesting then.
[19:09] <LaserJock> I've read that his licensing was to make it so that it could be both GPL'd and be included in squeak (which is not GPL-compatible)
[19:09] <LaserJock> so I think this is a try at a dual-license
[19:09] <highvoltage> a non-gpl'd piece of software, that can have gpl derivatives.
[19:10] <highvoltage> why do squeak license under their own license? business purposes?
[19:11] <LaserJock> it was Apple actually
[19:11] <LaserJock> the code was mostly written by Apple
[19:11] <LaserJock> they're now working on making it MIT
[19:13] <highvoltage> aah
[19:15] <LaserJock> in the mean time I have to deal with this :-)
[19:16] <LaserJock> gotta run to teach
[19:17] <LaserJock> cya all
[19:17] <highvoltage> bye LaserJock. good luck with the teacjing :)
[19:17] <highvoltage> woops
[20:22] <Briareos_> how do i know which directory to provide for the "filename" of the dhcpd.conf for etherboot?
[20:23] <Briareos_> i ran ltsp-update-kernels and it told me `/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz' -> `/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/vmlinuz'
[20:27] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: hi, did you poke pitti/slangasek about italc's FFe ? I have updated my patch to apply on 1.0.7
[20:27] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: the UI seems almost the same, I just noticed some icons change and the Userlist panel removed
[20:28] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I also found a MMX related bug on amd64 which will be fixed very soon (I basically just need to catch Tobias on Jabber :))
[20:28] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: everything else works "just fine", no more warning/error message in the console, UI seems faster and I haven't been able to trigger a VNC bug (yet ...)
[21:31] <LaserJock> ogra: I think we may want to try to update gcompris
[21:31] <LaserJock> do you think it'd be too late for a FFe?
[22:52] <slashdotfx> !seen elisboa
[22:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen elisboa - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi


[02:49] <opensynth> howdy all. Im having some trouble upgrading my system. hopfully someone can help. Here is a snapshot of my issue
[02:49] <opensynth> me@me-MacBookPro:~$ apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done abgate/lucid 1:1.1.7-1kxstudio1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.1.9-1] eq10q/trusty 2:2.0.0-1kxstudio1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2~repack0-2] patchage/trusty 1:1.0.1+svn5733-1kxstudio1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.0.0~dfsg0-0.2] vocproc/lucid 1:0.2-3kxstudio1 amd64 [upgradable from: 0.2.1-2] me@me-MacBookPro:~$ sudo apt upgrade [sudo] password for me:  Reading package lists...
[02:50] <opensynth> sorry that didnt format correctly
[02:51] <opensynth> i have 4 upgradeable packages that wont upgrade
[02:51] <opensynth> these 4 packages are preventing me from distro-upgrade to 18.10
[02:55] <opensynth> sudo apt upgrade, sudo apt full-upgrade, and sudo apt --only-upgrade install *kxstudio1* all fail to upgrade the 4 packages
[03:08] <OvenWerks> I would ask Falktx the maintainer of kxstudio.
[03:12] <OvenWerks> I see lucid listed there. I think it was just after that that the DE was changed from Gnome2 to xfce (both gnome3 and unity where too unstable for audio work)
[03:13] <OvenWerks> Anyway, the upgrade path from gnome2 Studio to xfce Studio was to re-install rather than upgrade.
[03:32] <opensynth> thanks for the reply ovenwerks. I would prefer to do a fresh install but the machine I'm attempting to upgrade has a defective gpu and requires modifying boot options in grub to disable the gpu. I need to modify the string "gfxpayload=keep " idont think I cant do this with the ubuntustudio installer without modifying and rebuliding the installer itself. My intuition was that an upgrade path would be more simple
[03:37] <opensynth> additionally I am currently on studio  18.04 with the default desktop. i think it's xfce.
[03:38] <opensynth> but I did install ubuntustudio from the standard ubuntu gnome desktop
[03:38] <opensynth> because the ubuntu installer allows me to modify grub
[03:39] <OvenWerks> My mistake, I was just seeing lucid and trusty in the part you pasted confued me.
[03:39] <OvenWerks> That should not be a problem
[03:40] <OvenWerks> I have installed Studio on top of just about everything out there from KDE to all the gnome based to lubuntu
[03:40] <OvenWerks> However, I don't us any of the KX packages.
[03:40] <OvenWerks> (except for a self built Carla)
[03:43] <opensynth> do you know if 18.04 can upgrade to 18.10 without the kx repos? if so I'll just disable them.
[03:44] <cfhowlett> Easy enough to test: edit apt/sources to ## comment out the kx repos.  run apt update then run do-release-upgrade
[03:58] <opensynth> looks like disableing those repos is gonna work. thanks for the help.
[03:59] <cfhowlett> happy2help!  after you get the upgrade, re-enable the kx stuff and all should be well.
[03:59] <OvenWerks> opensynth: in 18.10 ubuntustudio-controls does a lot of what Cadence does
[04:00] <OvenWerks> -controls also allows using more than one audio IF at a time
[04:00] <OvenWerks> for example using a USB mic to record and playing back through the on board IF
[05:01] <cfhowlett> !ping
[18:21] <studio-user266> slow pc after installing kde plasma desktop on ubuntu studio 18.10


[01:49] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (focal-proposed) [0.1.1]
[01:57] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ALright, funny question for you. What do I do when a package FTBFS but not because of an error in my packaging?
[01:57] <arraybolt3> Just had l-u-n in focal-proposed die during building due to an internal error in Canonical's infra.
[01:57] <arraybolt3> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/647798136/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.lubuntu-update-notifier_0.1.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[01:58] <tsimonq2> Retry it :)
[01:58] <tsimonq2> The problem could just be transient
[01:59] <tsimonq2> If it isn't, ask in #launchpad
[01:59] <arraybolt3> Hmm... didn't realize that was possible. Got it retried now.
[02:00] <tsimonq2> Sounds good
[02:00] <tsimonq2> If you scroll back in -release you'll see quite a bit of builder fun
[02:01] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> Builder fun is the most fun.
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Oh absolutely
[02:02] <tsimonq2> We love some builder fun
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Well, since there's not a whole lot else to do at the moment, I guess I'll hack on lubuntu-installer-prompt and see what's what.
[05:42] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-default-settings [source] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10.5]
[05:47] <arraybolt3> \o/ There went the XScreenSaver bugfix!
[06:17] <arraybolt3> https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/installer-prompt-packaging This is still set to mirror *from* GitHub, not *to* it. Would be handy if we could reverse this whenever we have a convenient time (I don't have the needed GitHub access to do it, I don't think).
[06:17] <arraybolt3> I have a couple of bugfixes for the installer prompt that I'd like to push to a branch and ask for review on.
[13:51] <RikMills> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/903
[13:51] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 903 in lxqt/lxqt-config "Missing kscreen includes cause build failures." [Open]
[13:56] <tsimonq2> Ack, will look when I get in this morning
[13:56] <RikMills> tsimonq2: also see the discussion on debian-qt-kde IRC
[13:57] <tsimonq2> Qool :)
[13:57] <RikMills> possible could be fixed, but is still a mess TBH
[13:59] <RikMills> then again, bound to get these issues if you decide to depend on the libs of a completely separate desktop that will do their own thing with no concern for your code
[14:02] <RikMills> you = people in general
[14:02] <tsimonq2> I do have commit access upstream, although I use it sparingly :0
[14:03] <tsimonq2> s/0/P/
[14:12] <RikMills[m]> looks like patches could now be more on the KDE side, but shrug
[14:14] <RikMills[m]> this is going to hit too many distros not to be fixed properly somewhere
[14:15] <RikMills[m]> the libscreen soname bump means distro who want new plasma will have to rebuild lxqt-config, and will hit this
[14:15] <RikMills[m]> s/libscreen/libkscreen/, s/distro/distros/
 "this is going to hit too many..." <- I agree
[14:51] <tsimonq2> Attempting to reproduce right now
[14:52] <RikMills[m]> I guess you will do that in debian, but fyi a build of the new libkscreen for lunar is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[14:52] <RikMills[m]> but built against the release pocket, as it was done for normal people to test
[15:57] <tsimonq2> Rik Mills: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde/libkscreen/-/commit/7c2e3b5d032e590588b43e7e942ffb8800a4bd1b
[15:57] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 7c2e3b5 in qt-kde-team/kde/libkscreen "Add patch to restore a transitive include fixing FTBFS in downstream packages."
[15:57] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-build-tools/pull/83
[16:25] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> X: obconf-qt source: prefer-uscan-symlink filenamemangle s/@ANY_VERSION@@ARCHIVE_EXT@/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[debian/watch:6]
[16:28] <tsimonq2> libfm-qt FTBFS on symbols after this rebuild
[16:30] <tsimonq2> ok the missing symbols are all void std::vector, due to this change, should be fine
[16:33] <tsimonq2> seeing quite a bit of this in libfm-qt:
[16:33] <tsimonq2> src/filepropsdialog.cpp:307:58: warning: ‘Qt::SystemLocaleShortDate’ is deprecated: Use QLocale [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
[16:33] <tsimonq2>   307 |             ui->lastModified->setText(mtime.toString(Qt::SystemLocaleShortDate));
[16:33] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: low-hanging fruit PR ^^^ (multiple locations)
[16:45] <tsimonq2> Rik Mills: Any chance you could upload https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde/libkscreen/-/commit/7c2e3b5d032e590588b43e7e942ffb8800a4bd1b to your beta PPA?
[16:45] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 7c2e3b5 in qt-kde-team/kde/libkscreen "Add patch to restore a transitive include fixing FTBFS in downstream packages."
[16:45] <tsimonq2> trying locally just for testing
 "Rik Mills: Any chance you..." <- I will do it to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma first, which is where the beta ppa stuff was built and copied from
[16:51] <tsimonq2> ack :)
[16:56] <RikMills[m]> building https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=libkscreen&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=lunar
[17:34] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I think the correct package to blacklist should have been systemsettings
[17:42] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-build-tools/0.12.0-0ubuntu3 + that libkscreen patch should mean lxqt-config no longer FTBFS in Ubuntu :)
[17:56] <RikMills> nice
[22:57] <teward> Kicking the Lubuntu DO
[22:57] <teward> it'll come back (95% swap usage == slow boy)
[23:00] <teward> i said DO I meant OVH
[23:49] <arraybolt3> !ping
[23:49] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: o/
[23:50] <tsimonq2> Hey!
[23:50] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I don't think that systemsettings is what we were supposed to blacklist, it's a hard depends of kde-config-updates, and kde-config-updates was the module that I believe is dangerous in Lubuntu.
[23:50] <arraybolt3> kde-config-updates is a recommends of Discover, not a depends.
[23:51] <arraybolt3> I can try on that PR you were mentioning, looks easy enough.
[23:51] <arraybolt3> Also, about that Gitea/GitHub lubuntu-installer-prompt mirror reversal, any updates?
[23:56] <arraybolt3> OK, I need to reboot, brb...
[23:56] <arraybolt3> (I'll get any messages that come through while I'm gone.)


[00:13] <akgraner> jcastro just shared the googledoc with you about UbuntuWeeks/Days
[00:27] <mhall119> akgraner: it's 8:30, stop working
[00:27] <akgraner> I took a break
[00:27] <akgraner> :-)
[00:27] <mhall119> yeah, like 5 months ago
[00:27] <akgraner> heheh
[00:27] <akgraner> no like an hour ago
[00:28] <mhall119> sitting on the couch eating bon-bons, I'm sure
[00:28] <akgraner> If I don't do something while I am thinking about it - I'll forget to someone reminds me
[00:28] <akgraner> bon-bons? What are those? :-P
[00:29] <mhall119> I don't know, but evidently non-overworked people love them
[00:29] <akgraner> hehehe
[00:36] <akgraner> going through various wiki pages and boy some of the really need updating...
[00:36] <akgraner> DOC evening at UDS :-) who's in
[00:36] <akgraner> j/k sorta
[00:38] <akgraner> ok more tomorrow :-)
[00:41] <akgraner> crap - tomorrow is wednesday - I need to put the finishing touches on my Open Week Session :-/ DOH!
[01:06] <akgraner> ok I think my session may be drinking from a fire hose - me trims some information
[01:29] <akgraner> Pendulum, you around?
[01:29] <akgraner> or nigelb ?
[02:17] <akgraner> mhall119, guess what I am learning? - http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
[02:17] <akgraner> I told nigelb I was going to bug him if I got stuck
[02:18] <akgraner> I keep running into reasons I need to learn python :-/ so I give I'm learning :-)
[02:41] <maco> akgraner: assimilate!
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <bkerensa> good morning dholbach
[07:10] <dholbach> hi bkerensa
[07:13] <dpm> good morning all
[07:59] <kim0> morning
[08:00] <nigelb> Good morning!
[08:00] <nigelb> Google is down o_O
[08:25] <dholbach> Gwaihir, happy birthday! :)
[08:25] <Gwaihir> dholbach, thank you! :)
[09:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:59] <Pendulum> akgraner: sorry I was in bed. Let me know if there's something I can do this morning to help?
[11:28] <akgraner> Pendulum,  no need to apologize - I really should have been doing something other than being on the computer but oh well :-)
[11:28] <Pendulum> haha
[11:29] <akgraner> I was going to ask you to look over my session notes for today and see if i missed anything
[11:29] <akgraner> I think as long as I don't get copy n paste happy - I should be ok
[11:30] <akgraner> and still have time for questions :-)
[11:30] <mhall119> holy crap akgraner, don't you sleep?
[11:31] <akgraner> mhall119, I'll sleep when I die :-)  j/k - I got like 3-4 hours :-)  I'm happy with that
[11:31] <mhall119> you're crazy
[11:31] <akgraner> we established this many years ago - I'll own it
[11:31] <mhall119> heh
[11:31] <akgraner> it's part of my charm
[11:43] <akgraner> ahathaway, great edits to /BuildingCommunity  :-)  Thank you!
[11:44] <ahathaway> NP
[11:44] <ahathaway> Hopefully I did not overstep
[11:44] <akgraner> no not at all
[11:44] <jussi> akgraner: your statement actually reads rather badly out of context... :P
[11:44] <ahathaway> I was not sure how much freedom to redesign I was allowed
[11:44] <jussi> [14:31:06] <akgraner> mhall119, I'll sleep when I die :-)  j/k - I got like 3-4 hours :-)  I'm happy with that
[11:45] <jussi> reads like you have 3-4 hours to live... :P
[11:45] <akgraner> jussi, I would die happy then :-)  so it's all a win to me :-P
[11:45] <jussi> haha
[11:46] <jussi> akgraner: though youd leave very many unhappy people if you did that.... I forbid you to die so soon.
[11:46] <akgraner> ahathaway, have at it - it's wiki pages  - if something needs to be tweaked we can just tweak them :-)  there in is the beauty
[11:46] <jussi> :D
[11:46] <akgraner> jussi, don't worry I'm not going anywhere...:-)
[11:46] <ahathaway> Excellent
[11:47] <akgraner> I'm making a list of pages that I know need updating but I need someone else to fix them - the /Teams page is a mess
[11:47] <jussi> akgraner: good. Ill kill you if you die on me :P :P :P :P
[11:47] <akgraner> HAHA
[11:47] <ahathaway> Oh BTW does anyone here have a blog post or a writeup about your community building experience or any aspect of community leading?
[11:47] <jussi> akgraner: also, I beleie you owe me some questions...
[11:47] <akgraner> or at least I need to track down the right information as the leads listed on some of them are old
[11:48] <akgraner> ahathaway, we have some tat we just started putting together on the leadership team
[11:48] <akgraner> but I don't think they are pubic yet
[11:48] <akgraner> b/c people are still editing them
[11:48] <ahathaway> OK.  I am looking for personal experiences that people want to share on the build site
[11:49] <akgraner> ahathaway, but let me get you the wiki page they will be added to once they are finished - this way you can link to them or just crosspost
[11:49] <ahathaway> Great thanks
[11:49] <akgraner> yep - the leadership team is documenting 'use cases' etc around various skill sets
[11:50] <ahathaway> great
[11:50] <ahathaway> thanks
[11:50] <ahathaway> Off to work
[11:50] <ahathaway> TTYL
[11:50] <akgraner> ahathaway, thanks again, laters...
[11:58] <Pendulum> jcastro: out of curiousity, if I were to do a lightening talk at UDS, would we be able to sort a way for me to get on the stage?
[12:19] <jcastro> absolutely
[12:19] <jcastro> we could have you go first or something
[12:20] <mhall119> jussi: +1
[12:21] <mhall119> .w 29
[12:21] <mhall119> blah
[12:22] <akgraner> jcastro, you doing a day 2 summary?
[12:22] <jcastro> yep
[12:22] <jcastro> doing it now
[12:22] <jcastro> :)
[12:22] <jcastro> woke up early!
[12:22] <akgraner> :-) awesome yay
[12:23] <akgraner> since today's event's start at 1300 UTC :-)
[12:32] <james_w> dpm, hi, you put #ubuntu-channel in your translators and app developers mail :-)
[12:32] <dpm> argh!, thanks james_w
[12:32] <nigelb> james_w: hehe, I was about to say that a well  :D
[12:34] <dholbach> dpm, be careful, james_w is watching you
[12:34]  * dpm is glad that james_w is a friend
[12:35] <jcastro> I am james_w fan #1!
[12:35] <james_w> when do you lot arrive in Orlando?
[12:36] <jcastro> I'll be there the tuesday before
[12:36]  * mhall119 is already here
[12:36] <mhall119> well, 30 minutes away anyway
[12:36] <james_w> :-)
[12:36] <james_w> sweet
[12:36]  * james_w arrives on Sunday
[12:37] <dholbach> Sunday too
[12:38] <mhall119> jcastro: are you sprinting the week before, or helping with setup?
[12:38] <jcastro> sprinting
[12:40]  * mhall119 would like Ubuntu to start using ksplice or something
[12:40] <mhall119> I hate having to reboot every other month
[12:43] <nigelb> jcastro: This sunday on?
[12:43] <nigelb> OH GOD.
[12:44] <nigelb> 2 WEEKS TO UDS.
[12:44] <jcastro> mhall119: from what I've been told the hard part is running the server bit
[12:44] <nigelb> mhall119: ksplice is Oracle product now :(
[12:45] <mhall119> nigelb: oh, I thought it was in the kernel source
[12:45] <jcastro> anyone on android or iphone can you see if the UDS schedule is there?
[12:45] <mhall119> maybe I meant kexec
[12:45] <mhall119> jcastro: did you remember to pay them?
[12:46] <jcastro> heh yeah
[12:46] <nigelb> heh
[12:46] <nigelb> I wonder what happened to the KDE folks' android app.
[12:51]  * popey tickles jcastro
[12:51] <akgraner> jcastro, I shared the Planning article with you  - (I think) let me know if you didn't get the invite
[12:51] <jcastro> I saw the invite
[12:51] <akgraner> ok coolieo
[12:51] <jcastro> heya, put "Review blah blah" on a card and assign it to me
[12:55] <akgraner> ok - I'll add the trello stuff :-) and put links to what we already have
[12:57] <akgraner> jcastro, I can't remember people can see the information right  - it's all public
[12:57] <akgraner> even if they aren't subscribed
[13:02] <jcastro> yes
[13:02] <jcastro> transparency means people can look in
[13:02] <jcastro> :)
[13:02] <akgraner> :-P
[13:03] <akgraner> Day 3 of Open Week just started - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[13:04] <jcastro> summit folk
[13:04] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-p-ecryptfs
[13:04] <jcastro> any idea why this isn't being scheduled?
[13:05] <nigelb> jcastro: when was it approved?
[13:06] <jcastro> asking now
[13:06] <jcastro> what's the time lag on that?
[13:06] <nigelb> about an hour
[13:07] <nigelb> lol. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/thisisbogus-removeitfromtheudsschedule
[13:07] <jcastro> he says they did it a week or two ago
[13:07] <jcastro> the other ones got scheduled
[13:08] <jcastro> just not this one
[13:08] <nigelb> I see it on the xml
[13:08] <nigelb> so definitely something's up in summit.
[13:08] <nigelb> jcastro: do you see it in summit admin?
[13:09] <jcastro> yeah
[13:09] <jcastro> but the track doesn't seem set
[13:09] <nigelb> we do have a security track right?
[13:09] <jcastro> yep
[13:09] <jcastro> I set it just now
[13:10] <nigelb> the plenaries look intersting.
[13:10] <nigelb> Hopefully, I can stay up late enough to watch it.
[13:11] <jcastro> ok so now the next run it might schedule?
[13:11] <nigelb> yeah
[13:11] <nigelb> mhall119: do you have any comments? ^
[13:11] <jcastro> james_w: any idea what happened there?
[13:11] <james_w> nope
[13:11] <jcastro> "summit"
[13:11] <nigelb> heh
[13:11]  * jcastro then waves his hands
[13:11] <nigelb> Its less of that thes days
[13:11] <james_w> I just ran the commands from cron
[13:12] <nigelb> autoscheduler right?
[13:12] <jcastro> is there a way we can blame cjohnston for this? he's not around, sounds like a good idea to me
[13:12] <james_w> sure!
[13:12] <nigelb> I probably touched it last.
[13:13] <nigelb> mhall119 / james_w: I'm thinking of making launchpad.net a setting. Thoughts/oppositions?
[13:14] <nigelb> that way we can switch it out to staging locally for testing.
[13:14] <james_w> no opposition
[13:14] <nigelb> Maybe I can get the "nigel broke summit" award from jcastro :D
[13:14] <nigelb> Ugh, I wish launchpad blueprints showed me more information.
[13:15] <mhall119> nigelb: I'm okay with it, but it's not going out until after UDS
[13:15] <jcastro> I had this amazing dream that blueprints were accidentally deleted in launchpad
[13:15] <mhall119> james_w: can we do a deployment today/
[13:15] <mhall119> ?
[13:15] <jcastro> and there was no way to get them back
[13:15] <nigelb> mhall119: Darn. No chance of the award then.
[13:15] <jcastro> and I cried with joy
[13:15] <nigelb> jcastro: lol
[13:15] <mhall119> jcastro: there's always the wiki
[13:15] <nigelb> jcastro: summit has invaded your dreams as well?
[13:15] <jcastro> nigelb: no, launchpad did
[13:16] <jcastro> I don't know which would be a worse dream
[13:16] <nigelb> jcastro: you join the chosen elite.
[13:16] <jcastro> mhall119: I think we should rename the wiki
[13:16] <mhall119> aka, the damned
[13:16] <jcastro> to "Contributor Remover"
[13:16] <mhall119> I call it the WikiWall
[13:16] <nigelb> I have nightmares about Daviey having some code in summit that's not chcked and it screwing up and us getting blamed.
[13:16] <akgraner> jcastro, you need an intervention you dream about bp, lp, lists and trello - even I don't do that...
[13:16] <mhall119> it's like the Berlin Wall
[13:16] <jcastro> "oooh, jono thinks this is a good idea, awesome, I love ubuntu, I'm in, hell yea, how do I get started? I feel empowered!" then SLAM. Right in the face.
[13:16] <james_w> mhall119, no opposition from me
[13:16] <jcastro> "Wait, you want me to USE THIS?"
[13:17] <mhall119> akgraner: you don't sleep enough to have dreams
[13:17] <nigelb> jcastro: heh
[13:17] <james_w> I'd like my unsubscribe change in if possible
[13:17] <akgraner> mhall119, DOH!
[13:17] <mhall119> james_w: is it waiting for a review?
[13:17] <nigelb> I should get that IRC channel change in
[13:17] <nigelb> I've been working on it forever
[13:17] <james_w> I thought so
[13:17] <nigelb> mhall119: can you hold for 2 hours for an IRC channel change?
[13:17] <mhall119> james_w: okay, I'll check up on it
[13:17] <nigelb> Or adopt from mine if you want to do it.
[13:17] <james_w> thanks
[13:17] <mhall119> nigelb: are you going to get it done?
[13:17] <nigelb> mhall119: yes.
[13:17] <mhall119> ok, then I'll wait
[13:18] <nigelb> excellent, ok. let me leave for home now.
[13:18] <mhall119> ttyl
[13:26] <akgraner> jcastro rick's session is tomorrow
[13:26] <jcastro> whoa
[13:26] <jcastro> it's WEDNESDAY
[13:27] <akgraner> yeppers...
[13:37] <akgraner> jcastro, I am so going to do an interview with you - "Don't sweat the small stuff by Jorge Castro!"
[13:38] <jcastro> hah
[13:38] <akgraner> also dholbach and dpm I added the interview questions for your UDS interviews to the spreadsheet please feel free to modify or add to them
[13:38] <jcastro> "People might think I'm looking at the big picture and focusing on what''s important, but what I'm really doing is just not caring."
[13:38] <akgraner> jcastro and kim0 I haven't added your questions yet but I'll work on that soon...
[13:39] <akgraner> jcastro, and I bet you don't have high blood pressure either - we need to get you a shirt with that on it...
[13:39] <jcastro> no, I am dying for other reasons, heh
[13:40] <akgraner> and people think I am the crazy one - akgraner rolls her eyes in the direction of jcastro...
[13:43] <jcastro> you're the publicly crazy one, it allows the rest of us to fly under the radar
[13:46] <akgraner> I so resemble that remark :-P  let's face it someone has to do it...
[13:56] <nigelb> dpm_: ohai
[13:56] <dpm> nigelb, hey ho!
[13:56] <nigelb> are you using this nick or your clone without _ for the irc session?
[13:56] <dpm> this one
[13:56] <nigelb> excellent, ok.
[13:57] <james_w> Gave up scheduling thisisbogus-removeitfromtheudsschedule
[13:57] <nigelb> Is that what went wrong?
[13:58] <james_w> nope
[13:58] <james_w> just thought it was funny
[13:58]  * cjohnston throws sharks at jcastro
[13:59] <nigelb> jcastro: heh, I liked that earlier :)
[13:59] <nigelb> err
[13:59] <nigelb> james_w: err, I linked that earlier
[13:59] <james_w> ah
[13:59] <nigelb> I fail at typipng tooday.
[14:00] <akgraner> Up next for Ubuntu Open Week in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat at 1400 UTC is How to contribute translating Ubuntu -- David Planella (dpm)
[14:01] <dpm> akgraner, other channel :)
[14:11] <nigelb> dpm: /That/ was impressive.
[14:11] <dpm> nigelb, I'm glad you liked it :)
[14:12] <nigelb> :)
[14:13] <akgraner> totally wish I spoke another language
[14:13] <akgraner> but my second language is only as good as google translate :-(
[14:14] <nigelb> I speak about 4 :)
[14:14] <nigelb> But I can't type anything other than English very wwell.
[14:14] <pangolin> well*
[14:14] <pangolin> lol
[14:15] <nigelb> pangolin: Th irony :)
[14:35] <jcastro> can anyone with an iphone/android see if the UDS schedule shows up for them?
[14:35] <maco> shows up where
[14:35] <jcastro> in guidebook
[14:36] <maco> whats guidebook?
[14:39] <akgraner> jcastro, showing up here
[14:39] <jcastro> awesome
[14:39] <jcastro> akgraner: can you check something for me
[14:39] <akgraner> sure
[14:39] <jcastro> compare the social events with this: http://uds.ubuntu.com/evening-programme/
[14:39] <jcastro> there should be a few
[14:39] <jcastro> missing events
[14:40] <akgraner> only two are showing up on Guidebook
[14:41] <maco> what is guidebook?
[14:41] <akgraner> Meet and greet and UDS/Linaro Connect closing party
[14:41] <akgraner> event app
[14:41] <akgraner> maco ^^
[14:42] <mhall119> akgraner: I don't think guidebook has social events
[14:42] <mhall119> since they're not in the summit-generated ical
[14:42] <akgraner> yes it does - I'm looking at it
[14:42] <mhall119> oh, *only* those are showing up
[14:42] <mhall119> hmmm...
[14:43]  * mhall119 needs to go get his phone
[14:43] <jcastro> it does
[14:44] <akgraner> jcastro, yep you're right  - it's missing all but two events
[14:44] <jcastro> the guidebook people put it in there for us
[14:44] <akgraner> the ones I listed above
[14:44] <jcastro> right, the ones I just added, awesome
[14:44] <akgraner> nods
[14:44] <jcastro> now to post about it
[14:45]  * mhall119 loves having a private personal ical feed
[14:50] <jono> hey all
[14:50] <czajkowski> jono: morning
[14:50] <jcastro> man
[14:50] <jcastro> this mobile schedule is AWESOME
[14:52] <james_w> guidebook?
[14:52] <jcastro> yeah
[14:52] <jcastro> blogging it nowish
[14:57] <jcastro> hey mhall119 nigelb and co
[14:58] <nigelb> whats up?
[14:58] <jcastro> <iframe src="http://gears.guidebookapp.com/static/assets/badge.html" frameborder="0" width="334" height="94" style="width:334px;height:94px;overflow:hidden;" scrolling="no"></iframe>
[14:58] <jcastro> is what they gave me for the QR code
[14:58] <jcastro> ours in summit works though
[14:58] <jcastro> so I don't know if we want to mess with it
[14:58] <jcastro> sorry I mean button
[14:59] <jcastro> but I think we should leave the QR code
[14:59] <jcastro> sorry I am backwards
[14:59]  * nigelb is cofnused.
[14:59] <nigelb> *confused.
[14:59] <jcastro> nevermind
[14:59] <jcastro> I'm dumb
[15:01] <nigelb> ~>
[15:03]  * mhall119 is very confused
[15:07] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:07] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:07] <mhall119> anyone know of a command line tool that'll convert mutiple lines of text into a comma-separated string?
[15:07] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/11654089782/mobile-schedule-for-uds
[15:08] <popey> mhall119: tr
[15:08] <popey> cat foo | tr '\n' ',' > newfoo
[15:08] <mhall119> popey: perfect, thanks
[15:08] <mhall119> now I just need to get rid of the trailing ,
[15:39] <Pendulum> jcastro: hit the pool? don't you mean the bar? ;-)
[15:45] <jono> jcastro, can you reach out to John Lea to ensure they are planning their sessions correctly
[15:45] <jono> I am not seeing any blueprints
[15:48] <jcastro> I thought charlene was the track lead?
[16:49]  * dholbach_ calls it a day - see you all tomorrow
[18:55] <jcastro> jono: uhhhhh
[18:55] <jcastro> http://adnan.quaium.com/blog/2396
[18:55] <jcastro> dude I totally missed this
[18:55] <jcastro> 7 years!
[19:02] <jono> jcastro, yikes!
[19:03] <jono> technoviking, grabbing lunch, may be a few mins late for our meeting, but will strive to get back on time
[19:13] <technoviking> jono: ok
[19:23] <jono> technoviking, I am back in time :-)
[19:24] <technoviking> jono: hey
[19:30] <technoviking> jono: so I was looking for some insight on how to get some traction on the power users group especially about it help with Ubuntu Tweak
[19:30] <jono> sounds good
[19:30] <jono> technoviking, can bring me up to date on work that has happened recently?>
[19:30] <jono> I heard some concerns that the group was stalling a littlq
[19:31] <technoviking> none really, I brought up this idea a few times during the oneiric cycle, both in the mailing list and irc
[19:31] <technoviking> some discussion has happened but no movement
[19:32] <jono> technoviking, I think what that community really wants is a sense of leadership
[19:32] <technoviking> last we I asked for help in designed a list of action items for getting tweak in the repos
[19:32] <jono> as in, things to work on, areas of focus
[19:32] <jono> cool
[19:33] <technoviking> hoping that maybe making it smaller bites would help
[19:33] <jono> agreed
[19:33] <technoviking> once again, some discussion, but no traction
[19:33] <jono> I have a few suggestions that might be useful
[19:33] <jono> I think the community needs to know how they can participate
[19:33] <jono> some ideas:L
[19:33] <jono>  * improvements to Ubuntu Tweak
[19:34] <jono>  * creating a power user documentation resource
[19:34] <jono>  * organizing some power users events (E.g. Open Week for power user related content)
[19:34] <technoviking> i have fail leading this group, due to lack of time
[19:34] <jono> do you feel you have time now?
[19:34] <jono> I think you can do it technoviking
[19:34] <jono> but you will need the time for sure
[19:35] <technoviking> not reall (can no longer work on Ubuntu community stuff at work), but would hate to see this group die
[19:35] <technoviking> I'm snecking this meeting in during lunch:)
[19:36] <jono> technoviking, is there another person who you feel could lead the group?
[19:36] <technoviking> i could ask the list
[19:36] <jono> I think this is the next natural step, find someone who has the time
[19:36] <jono> getting the group going is going to need a lot of up-front time
[19:37] <technoviking> I will ask on the list, think James Gilford would be a good person
[19:38] <technoviking> also, I think the group may need more folks who understand the Ubuntu devel process
[19:38] <jono> yeah
[19:38] <jono> well I think you want to evaluate who could be the next successor
[19:38] <jono> who has the time, positive mentality, and leadership skills to help lead the community
[19:39] <jono> maybe once that person is in place we can start discussing next steps?
[19:40] <technoviking> I will ask the list, could you blog about it and maybe get some interested in leading this group
[19:42] <jono> well, I am not sure if I should blog about it as I don't want folks to think that I am leading it - there has been some mis-conceptions there
[19:42] <jono> I recommend you find a leader and then that person reaches out to planet and brings people in
[19:42] <jono> and then I point to that
[19:43] <jono> make sense?
[19:43] <technoviking> sounds good
[19:46] <technoviking> I will work on that and ping you if I need anymore feedback
[19:46] <jono> thanks technoviking - I just want to make sure that I don't steal any thunder from the new leader
[19:46] <jono> thanks, technoviking, let me know if I can help with anything else
[19:47] <technoviking> will do
[19:50] <jcastro> +1 to asking James to do it
[19:50] <jcastro> he did a decent job working on the quicklists, he's motivated, going for membership tomorrow, etc.
[19:53] <jono> awesome
[19:53] <jono> technoviking, let me know how you get on, happy to talk with the new leader and help
[19:56] <jono> jcastro, can we start now?
[19:57] <jcastro> NO. FOUR MINUTES.
[19:57] <jcastro> j/k sure
[19:57] <jono> :-)
[19:57] <jcastro> g+ me!
[20:27] <czajkowski> for those who get Fawlty Towers. Great commedy dinner show last night http://pix.ie/czajkowski/album/424615  entertainment at your table
[20:27] <czajkowski> abuse at your table
[20:34] <akgraner> jcastro, if you have time for a call I need your help re summit and session filming...
[21:31] <jcastro> akgraner: tomorrow fine?
[21:32] <akgraner> after 4 - I'll be a VA most of the day - will that work
[21:32] <jcastro> the filming will be just like last time, let's link up with the AV company guy and just bash it out with him
[21:32] <jcastro> cool
[21:33] <akgraner> yeah but they (the black shirt crew) wondered if it would be possible to lock in the rooms being filmed - so they aren't mad dashing all over the place with cameras
[21:33] <akgraner> I said I would ask :-)
[21:34] <jcastro> oh ahead of time?
[21:34] <jcastro> maybe, a day ahead of time?
[21:34] <jcastro> let's do this
[21:34] <jcastro> let's see how full the schedule is on like, wednesday
[21:35] <jcastro> and if it's fullish we can do those ahead of time
[21:38] <akgraner> ok...
[21:38] <jcastro> I know what they are trying to do, I tried it and failed
[21:38] <akgraner> too much to type right this second but I'll fill you in on everything tomorrow if that's cool with you
[21:38] <jcastro> they'll just end up thinking that they won't have to move
[21:38] <jcastro> and they'll end up having to move
[21:39] <akgraner> nods - they just emailed sean ans asked
[21:39] <akgraner> and I just got off a call with Sean and told him I would ask the question
[21:39] <jcastro> we can certainly try to at least be a day ahead
[21:39] <jcastro> so they're not totally doomed
[21:40] <akgraner> totally
[21:40] <akgraner> So I am trying to use Monday to knock out all the Linaro interviews  - since Monday is usually a wasted day for Canonical/Ubuntu Community interviews
[21:41] <akgraner> Novacut will be there so I'll meet with them and the AV guys on Sunday
[21:42] <akgraner> so if you are there will you come with so we are all on the same page?
[21:42] <jcastro> sure
[21:42] <akgraner> thanks!
[21:43] <akgraner> so no call needed - I'll tell Sean we'll talk to them on Sunday
[21:43] <akgraner> sound like a plan?
[21:44] <jcastro> yep
[21:44] <jcastro> but also
[21:44] <jcastro> don't touch, never ever steal
[21:44] <jcastro> unless you're in for the kill
[21:45] <akgraner> dude do you work Metallica into everything :-P
[21:46] <jcastro> mercyful fate actually
[21:46] <jcastro> but covered by metallica, well done
[21:46] <akgraner> :-)
[21:46] <jcastro> 46 minutes after close-of-business for me, the silliness gloves come off
[21:47] <akgraner> when you start quoting severed fifth we are getting you some serious help
[21:47] <jcastro> akgraner: it's hard to quote severed fifth
[21:47] <jcastro> I've never had my throat punched repeatedly by a rhinocerous
[21:48] <akgraner> damn - now that's funny!
[21:48] <jcastro> yeah, type faster before he notices
[21:48] <jcastro> maybe he won't scroll back
[21:48] <akgraner> hehe
[21:49] <akgraner> you know what's funny, my son has all his friends listening to them
[21:50] <akgraner> and my daughter dogs them out - it's hilarious - she wants every other song for all-stars to be a nickelback song just to mess with jono :-)
[21:51] <akgraner> she thinks it's funny that he doesn't like them
[21:52] <akgraner> her humor is very much like Pete's so you know where that gets her half the time
[21:53] <jono> :-0
[21:54] <akgraner> jono but she means it the best way possible :-)
[21:54] <jono> :-)


[05:44] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:26] <mazal> Morning thatgraemeguy
[08:39] <superfly> morning thatgraemeguy, mazal
[08:53] <mazal> Lo superfly
[08:53] <superfly> how g oes mazal
[08:53] <superfly> *goes
[08:54] <mazal> Okish and you ?
[09:03] <pieter2627> morning all
[09:08] <mazal> Morning pieter2627
[10:56] <pieter2627> hi teh3rdSock and welcome to our channel
[10:57] <pieter2627> if you would like help with anything then just ask away...
[10:57]  * pieter2627 wbbl
[11:00] <teh3rdSock> aces
[11:02] <teh3rdSock> is it possible to create a network using virtual machines with 3 vm's?
[16:05] <Kilos--> afternoon all of ya
[16:24] <pieter2627_> afternoon Kilos
[16:24] <pieter2627_> and bye again all
[16:29] <Kilos> oh my
[19:08] <kulelu88> I made it for the meeting?
[19:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:08] <Kilos> meeting was last night
[19:08] <Kilos> ang got cancelled due to lack of attendance
[19:08] <Kilos> and
[21:48] <kulelu88> yo gremble
[21:49] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[21:50] <kulelu88> howzit
[21:50] <gremble> Our electricity just came back on.
[21:51] <gremble> Apparently some idiot with an excavator cut the wire at the transformer station
[21:51] <gremble> So it's been pretty dark
[21:51] <gremble> How are you?
[22:33] <kulelu88> woops, forgot I was here. I am ok gremble
[22:33] <gremble> Haha
[22:33] <gremble> That is good
[22:33] <kulelu88> sorry man
[22:33] <kulelu88> was slogging earlier
[22:34] <kulelu88> fekking PHP and its ugliness making life hard
[22:34] <kulelu88> food time now. I plan on working with an obscure programming language over the next 2 days, crystal or OOC
[22:34] <kulelu88> or Genie
[22:34] <kulelu88> or all 3
[22:35] <kulelu88> bbl
[23:06] <superfly> I should really get to bed
[23:06] <gremble> Probably
[23:07] <tumbleweed> at some point