[23:12] <SlimG_> Would it be possible to get a cachegrind output for http://ubuntu.no/ ? for some reason all pages load slowly, and frequently times out (HTTP504)


 :D including me? :P
[16:37] <pavlushka> zaki: and they dont realize that irc is the quickest way to help
[16:37] <pavlushka> and get help
[16:38] <zaki> yeah real time. \o/
[16:38] <pavlushka> and I think its easier
[16:39] <zaki> pavlushka, emotional in what way? :D
[16:39] <pavlushka> zaki: but the hardest think may be, asking questions properly and waiting patiently for the answer :)
[16:41] <pavlushka> zaki like he was there but didn't talk to me
[16:41] <zaki> like yesterday I haven't asked in #python cz I wasn't sure what to ask! :P
[16:42] <pavlushka> zaki: that was easy, you have a python script where importing a module isn't working
[16:42] <pavlushka> zaki: importing module in python is like declaring header files in C
[16:45] <zaki> oh
[16:46] <pavlushka> zaki: you can create your own header files in C if you like and also you can put extra or missing modules in python's module directory to make it available
[16:46] <zaki> having dinner
[16:47] <pavlushka> yeah, and typing with the other hand
[16:47] <zaki> he he
[16:48] <zaki> how is the weather?
[16:49] <zaki> there
[16:49] <pavlushka> zaki: a little better than freezing cold :)
[16:49] <pavlushka> .fc Panchagarh, Bangladesh
[16:49] <u-la-la> GeocoderQuotaExceeded: The given key has gone over the requests limit in the 24 hour period or has submitted too many requests in too short a period of time. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/geopy/geocoders/googlev3.py", line 363, in _check_status)
[16:50] <pavlushka> .fc Panchagarh, Bangladesh
[16:50] <u-la-la> GeocoderQuotaExceeded: The given key has gone over the requests limit in the 24 hour period or has submitted too many requests in too short a period of time. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/geopy/geocoders/googlev3.py", line 363, in _check_status)
[16:50] <zaki> I'M Missing winter here
[16:50] <pavlushka> .fc Panchagarh
[16:50] <u-la-la> [Panchagarh District, Bangladesh] WED: 79.3F (26.3C) / 55.7F (13.2C), Dew: 50.0F (10.0C), Wind: 3.1mph (5.1kmh), Clear throughout the day. | THU: 80.5F (26.9C) / 53.2F (11.8C), Dew: 48.0F (8.9C), Wind: 2.3mph (3.6kmh), Clear throughout the day.
[16:50] <u-la-la> [Panchagarh District, Bangladesh] FRI: 80.1F (26.7C) / 53.5F (12.0C), Dew: 46.2F (7.9C), Wind: 3.8mph (6.1kmh), Clear throughout the day. | SAT: 79.4F (26.3C) / 52.6F (11.4C), Dew: 45.5F (7.5C), Wind: 4.6mph (7.4kmh), Partly cloudy until AM. (Powered by Dark Sky, darksky.net)
[16:50] <zaki> .fc Chittagong
[16:50] <u-la-la> [Chittagong, Bangladesh] WED: 80.4F (26.9C) / 62.8F (17.1C), Dew: 63.1F (17.3C), Wind: 4.2mph (6.8kmh), Foggy in AM. | THU: 80.5F (27.0C) / 61.2F (16.2C), Dew: 61.6F (16.4C), Wind: 1.0mph (1.5kmh), Clear throughout the day.
[16:50] <u-la-la> [Chittagong, Bangladesh] FRI: 83.1F (28.4C) / 61.4F (16.3C), Dew: 60.5F (15.9C), Wind: 3.1mph (5.0kmh), Clear throughout the day. | SAT: 83.6F (28.7C) / 61.7F (16.5C), Dew: 58.6F (14.8C), Wind: 4.7mph (7.5kmh), Partly cloudy starting in PM, continuing until AM. (Powered by Dark Sky, darksky.net)
[16:51] <pavlushka> .fc Dinajpur
[16:51] <u-la-la> GeocoderQuotaExceeded: The given key has gone over the requests limit in the 24 hour period or has submitted too many requests in too short a period of time. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/geopy/geocoders/googlev3.py", line 363, in _check_status)
[16:51] <pavlushka> .fc Dinajpur, Bangladesh
[16:51] <u-la-la> [Dinajpur District, Bangladesh] WED: 77.7F (25.4C) / 56.5F (13.6C), Dew: 53.5F (12.0C), Wind: 6.0mph (9.6kmh), Clear throughout the day. | THU: 80.1F (26.7C) / 54.1F (12.3C), Dew: 51.3F (10.7C), Wind: 4.4mph (7.1kmh), Clear throughout the day.
[16:51] <u-la-la> [Dinajpur District, Bangladesh] FRI: 79.5F (26.4C) / 54.3F (12.4C), Dew: 50.5F (10.3C), Wind: 4.2mph (6.8kmh), Clear throughout the day. | SAT: 78.9F (26.0C) / 53.6F (12.0C), Dew: 49.2F (9.6C), Wind: 5.1mph (8.2kmh), Partly cloudy until PM. (Powered by Dark Sky, darksky.net)
[16:56] <pavlushka> zaki: Panchagarh's forecasts are not absolute, better try to assume from Dinajpur's forecast and Panchagarh is about 32 km from Darjeeling
[17:28] <zaki> may be around 23c
[17:28] <pavlushka> zaki: yeah may be
[17:47] <zaki> pavlushka, which AMD processor is similar to core i3 .
[17:47] <zaki> any idea?
[17:49] <pavlushka> zaki: how many cores core i3 has?
[17:50] <zaki> may be 2core 4 thread
[17:51] <zaki> i5 has 4core 4 thread
[17:51] <zaki> and i7 has 8 core
[17:53] <pavlushka> zaki: http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/pcs/cpus/1400962/whats-the-difference-between-core-i3-i5-and-i7-processors
[17:53] <zaki> and i3 has hyper threading support
[17:55] <zaki> core and core. :D
[17:59] <zaki> pavlushka, https://imgur.com/a/0VJ64
[18:02] <pavlushka> zaki: and what that summarizes? intel has 7 gens of i series, so hard to find any specific match
[18:02] <zaki> pavlushka, whatever I'll replace the dvd tray with 128GB SSD
[18:02] <zaki> yep
[18:02] <pavlushka> zaki: wow, sure do
[18:03] <zaki> for only system files
[18:03] <pavlushka> zaki: yep, that's the point
[18:40] <zaki> pavlushka, good night. :)


[05:03] <Viper550> hello?
[16:45] <cjohnston> mornin
[16:46] <mhall119> just barely
[17:54] <cjohnston> newz2000: Bug 707009
[17:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707009 in ubuntu-website "ubuntu.com does not support HTTP Secure (affects: 1) (heat: 258)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707009
[18:41] <newz2000> :-/
[18:46] <cjohnston> is that confirmed then?
[19:11] <AlanBell> looks invalid to me
[19:12] <AlanBell> the brochureware site does not need https
[19:12] <AlanBell> the downloads are mirrored everywhere and https is not a part of what secures them
[19:13] <AlanBell> I suppose arguably the MD5SUM files might benefit from being authenticated with an HTTPS certificate
[19:34] <mhall119> AlanBell: I think it's more along the lines of "All websites should allow HTTPS connections" that Google is pussing
[19:34] <mhall119> pushing
[19:35] <AlanBell> there is no harm in that
[19:36] <AlanBell> apart from a little additional CPU load on the server
[19:36] <AlanBell> all websites that allow users to authenticate should do https
[19:36] <AlanBell> brochureware stuff is harder to justify
[19:37] <AlanBell> worth noting that https limits you to a single website per IP address (or a single one using https per IP address)
[19:56] <mhall119> true
[20:37] <newz2000> I agree, https is not needed for that site, and it would only hurt performance
[20:39] <cjohnston> newz2000: done.. ty
[20:39] <newz2000> thanks cjohnston
[21:14] <Viper550> hello


[21:46] <RAOF> Sarvatt_: Yeah, saw the new version, won't pull it into the testing packages until there's something applied upstream.  The testing packages have the GLXDrawable refcount fix pulled, too, so shouldn't suffer from the crash.


[13:50] <Supervisor> hello
[13:50] <Supervisor> i need host
[13:51] <Supervisor> Someone can help me?
[13:51] <k1l_> what is your issue?
[13:51] <Supervisor> i need host
[13:52] <k1l_> hot?
[13:52] <k1l_> *host?
[13:57] <Supervisor> ubuntu/member/
[13:57] <Supervisor> vhost
[13:57] <k1l_> ah, you want a ubuntu member cloak. can you link your launchpad site?
[14:59] <hggdh> Supervisor: anything we can do for you?
[15:32] <Supervisor> i want ubuntu/member/Supervisor
[15:35] <Pici> Supervisor: Can you link to your launchpad page.
[23:55] <maseratidancin> welp


[22:51] <annodomini> paul15353: try running "top" from the terminal to see what's using the most of your cpu and ram
[22:51] <paul111> paul15353, so how much space is ubuntu occupying in 10 GB HDD. & how much is free?
[22:52] <VCoolio> shro0ms: close the flash process, so if you pause a youtube video in one tab and then open another in a second, the 2nd won't have sound
[22:52] <iceroot> paul111: besides vim and zsh, there is nothing really missing on a ubuntu-installation
[22:52] <paul15353> ubuntu is using 10gb from a 70 gb harddrive and the rest is dedicated to windows 7..20gb is free
[22:53] <iceroot> paul15353: sorry was wrting to paul111
[22:53] <paul15353> so was i lol
[22:53] <paul111> iceroot, or could he be running out of space..so got to ask?
[22:54] <BiggFREE> Hi
[22:56] <paul15353> does ubuntu have any distinct advantages over windows?
[22:56] <shoopdawoop> paul15353: it's free
[22:57] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: it's virus-free, too. It's modificable, it's more stable, and runs on less capable machines
[22:57] <Pen> hello, question. Where can I find other programs such as Ubuntu restricted Areas ..... Kubuntu restricted areas. ....program packages like that
[22:57] <Pen> ?
[22:57] <[276-951-438]> paul15353: which tasks do you want to solve with ubuntu?
[22:57] <arand> Is it possible to set the resolution of the gdm screen, currently it does not match the one I've set for the desktop, and that causes issues..
[22:57] <paul15353> what do you mean "which tasks"?
[22:58] <Beyecixramd> arand: what drivers are you using?
[22:58] <Beyecixramd> arand: or better, what videocard you have?
[22:58] <arand> Beyecixramd: I'm on the nvidia blob, with a 86oogt
[22:58] <Beyecixramd> arand: nVidia official drivers? or nouveau?
[22:59] <[276-951-438]> i mean goals of using ubuntu, like playing games, video editing and so
[22:59] <arand> Beyecixramd: That'd be official.
[22:59] <mario_> hellooooooooooooo
[22:59] <paul15353> am i really want to use it for music software..but is it good at music editing?
[22:59] <Beyecixramd> arand: have you configured it with the nVidia tool?
[23:00] <arand> Beyecixramd: Or, hang on, no. Blah, this is on a kvm vm, so some weird virtual drivers I'd assume
[23:00] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: uh... you have Audacity, Mixxx and some other programs
 i suggest you try renoise, it's one of best you can get on linux (if you get used to the interface)
[23:00] <wizard_2010> help I cant close / minimize windows in ubuntu
[23:00] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: if you're an artist, or want to be, i recommend you Ubuntu studio
[23:01] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: why? is the title bar with those buttons gone or they don't work?
[23:01] <[276-951-438]> paul15353: i trying to use musical software in ubuntu studio, and i found it well and useful, but i'm not a musician :)
[23:01] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, they just disappeared
[23:01] <paul15353> my favourite on windows was fruity loops..does it work with ubuntu?i am interested in making songs from scratch.what is the best software for this?thanks for all the tips everyone :)
[23:01] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, I cant see them at all don't no what happen
[23:02] <Pen> hello, question. Where can I find other programs such as Ubuntu restricted Areas ..... Kubuntu restricted areas. ....program packages like that?
[23:02] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: did you mess with 'visual effects' in the appearance screen? try if "metacity --replace" solves anything
no, only under wine (which is quite laggy, i tried it myself)
[23:02] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: fruity loops is Windows software. Windows software ONLY runs on Windows, as Mac software only runs on Mac...
[23:02] <[276-951-438]> paul15353: there is lmms - it is free analog if fruity loops in ubuntu
[23:02] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: there is a native FL-like app for Linux
[23:02] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: use google, don't remember the name, sorry
 but there wont work any Windows VSTi instruments and effects
[23:03] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, you the man that fixed it what is that metacity lol
[23:03] <Beyecixramd> Programix: sure it will :)
[23:03]  * punkmexic is looking for an expert in brightness someone suggested to me to use this method setpci -s 00:02.0 f4.b=ff but says is difficult to find the byte i need to modify
[23:03] <paul15353> is there any way i vsts would work in ubuntu?  what is the best website for finding music programs for ubuntu or am i best off just to search using google?
 no it wonts :P
[23:04] <[276-951-438]> paul15353: and you can try Rosegarden with some sounfonts (but i couldn't found professional SF for free :))
[23:04] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: metacity is a window manager (default in gnome) and also window decorator; if you enable visual effects you switch to compiz as window manager, but window decoration may fail; install fusion-icon and run that if it happens again, it's a systray icon where you can switch window decoration and manager easily
[23:04] <Beyecixramd> Programix: the program im talking about, yes
[23:04] <Beyecixramd> Programix: it has that capacity :)
 well, it's emulating it anyway, it doesnt REALLY work, i tried it
[23:04] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, also my earphone jack wont work plays ok with speaker but not head phones that also worked and just stopped also thanks for the infor above
[23:05] <Beyecixramd> Programix: are you talking about Wine?
[23:05] <Beyecixramd> Programix: or the native program
 the native program
[23:05] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: about audio hardware I know close to nothing; throw it into the channel here; mention what sound you use (pulse? alsa? oss?)
[23:06] <wizard_2010> my head phone jack wont work anyone help alsa
[23:06] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, thanks man
[23:06] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: no problem, go on trying visual effects and compiz, it's awesome
[23:07] <paul15353> so overall what would everyone recommend windows or ubuntu?
[23:07] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, I have i have everything setup love it lol
 for music, im sorry but i must say windows
[23:07] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: i can't believe this... you're in a Ubuntu channel... Ubuntu of course
 actually, it more depends what music you want to make
[23:07] <paul111> paul15353, please stop the comparing.
[23:07] <Beyecixramd> but that's personal preference, don't worry
[23:08] <paul15353> i just find it hard to get a straight answer on which is better lol
[23:08] <Reemo> Hey guys, just noticed that my ubuntu 10.04 desktop transfers painfully slow via smb
[23:08] <jkalex05> im officially 100% ubuntu
[23:08] <Reemo> Never had that problem before, already restarted server and tested against another client
[23:08] <jkalex05> i just deleted windows 7 and installed ubuntu solo on my system
[23:08] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, http://maketecheasier.com/change-login-and-boot-screen-in-ubuntu-lucid/2010/05/13
[23:08] <ZykoticK9> the Shotwell photo manager sorts by date, and i have 13 photos with dates in 2062 & 2064 - anyone know how to edit the photo metadata for dates?
[23:08] <Beyecixramd> jkalex05: good work :)
 well, if you just need to record guitar and vocals, linux will be ok but if you need the VSTis, you gotta use Windows :)
[23:09] <wizard_2010> VCoolio,  did i just follow that to a tee and get that background ?
[23:09] <Beyecixramd> jkalex05: i jumped into Linux-only a few years ago. hell, even my mom uses Linux, and she loves it
[23:09] <Beyecixramd> jkalex05: you know, a 100€ box is wonderful with Linux
[23:09] <jkalex05> i mean i dont really game anymore
[23:09] <solkig> jkalex05: yeah, good for you! hope everything will work fine for you
[23:09] <jkalex05> so why use windows
[23:09] <Beyecixramd> jkalex05: neither i do
[23:09] <Beyecixramd> exactly
[23:10] <jkalex05> its slower
[23:10] <Beyecixramd> and when i want to game, i fire up Wine
[23:10] <jkalex05> lol
[23:10] <Beyecixramd> or hell... i go to my console xD
[23:11] <paul15353> ya if you want to play games go play playstation or something lol
[23:11] <blindgua1dian72> steam is coming to linux soon though
[23:11] <[276-951-438]> but, unlike windows, ubuntu till have some troubles with multimedia players...
[23:11] <Beyecixramd> blindgua1dian72: but drivers aren't :(
[23:11] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: seems ok, but a command is easier, or try gdm2setup on launchpad.net
[23:11] <Beyecixramd> blindgua1dian72: sadly, graphic drivers are lower quality than Windows. Only nVidia is capable here, of gaming on Linux
[23:11] <blindgua1dian72> yeah, but it's a step
[23:11] <Beyecixramd> blindgua1dian72: ATM at least
[23:12] <Beyecixramd> blindgua1dian72: there's also ATi, with low performance and Intel, with a bad implementation
[23:12] <blindgua1dian72> gallium3d is making a lot of progress, still far away from any proprietary drivers though
[23:12] <Beyecixramd> yep, it doesn't work on my pc, sadly :(
[23:12] <blindgua1dian72> blown
[23:12] <Beyecixramd> im anxious to get full 3D nouveau ASAP
[23:12] <blindgua1dian72> I have a nvidia card, so I'm safe at the moment
[23:13] <blindgua1dian72> but for my next comp, I really want to go ATI
[23:13] <Beyecixramd> i don't want nVidia drivers: you know, KMS, and all that stuff
[23:13] <ZykoticK9> blindgua1dian72, trade what works for what doesn't - interesting
[23:13] <Beyecixramd> i prefer to stay with nouveau, they seem cleaner and faster
[23:14] <Aemaeth> when i use the monitor preferences it puts the screen label in the upper left hand side, and it never goes away, how do i force it off?
[23:14] <kroson> hi guys
[23:15] <kroson> do you know any solution for wireless connection drops in lucid? my card is intel 3945 and everytime i start a heavy download wireless goes down and i disconnect
[23:15] <blindgua1dian72> I've never tried the nouveau driver
[23:16] <soreau> Aemaeth: Does it go away if you switch resolutions and back again?
[23:16] <Beyecixramd> if vga=xxx is deprecated, what should i use for a 1024x768 fb plymouth splash?
[23:17] <p3rror> hello
[23:17] <soreau> Beyecixramd: For radeon, you'd use video=1024x768
[23:17] <p3rror> i've installed ubuntu and  no sounds
[23:17] <p3rror> please can you help
[23:17] <soreau> ! audio | p3rror
[23:17] <Aemaeth> soreau, no effect.  A restart would do, but that's not really convenient for every time i need to dual monitor to display something.
[23:17] <Aemaeth> and thanks
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> Beyecixramd, if you're on 10.04 with nvidia proprietary be careful with setting resolutions - it can break virtual console (ctrl-alt+f1tof6) if done incorrectly.  just fyi.
[23:18] <kubuntiano> hello, who helps me to install on my football menagerie kubuntu 64bit? Thanks
[23:18] <soreau> Aemaeth: You mean you have to setup dual head config every time after you log in?
[23:18] <kroson> do you know any solution for wireless connection drops in lucid? my card is intel 3945 and everytime i start a heavy download wireless goes down and i disconnect
[23:18] <kroson> plz anyone
[23:18] <kroson> this is annoying
[23:18] <Aemaeth> soreau, no, but i have to switch normally after I log in
[23:19] <soreau> Aemaeth: Not getting what you mean
[23:19] <ZykoticK9> Aemaeth, if you want to save nvidia settings you need to run the config with elevated privileges "gksu nvidia-settings" then save to the xorg file button ;)
[23:20] <paul15353> hey how do you create the multiple desktop thing where you have four screens opened at once and you can flick through them?i just saw it on a vid on youtube lol
[23:20] <ZykoticK9> paul111, install ccsm then enable cube and rotate-cube
[23:20] <soreau> paul15353: It might help if you shared the video link here and the time in the video where it shows the effect
[23:20] <ZykoticK9> paul111, sorry was for paul15353
[23:20] <Aemaeth> soreau, i'll be working on something, and someone will want it on the screen, so i plug it in to dual monitor, and then that icon is in the screen blocking the way.  I was just wondering if there was a way to get rid of the icon (maybe forcing a quit for the monitor program?), but if i have to restart every time, i guess that's fine, just not the best functionality
[23:20] <n4h0j> I am trying to help a friend over SSH to figure out why her computer crashes randomly. She says that the screen prints some error message that she is not able to read before the screen goes away and she get stripes from top to bottom. What log file should I look in first? I can't really find any useful information in the files I have looked at. Any help would be great!
[23:21] <thune3> Aemaeth: so if you close Display Preferences (not minimize it) it stays there?
[23:21] <iceroot> n4h0j: /var/log/syslog
[23:21] <soreau> Aemaeth: That is an obvious bug, it should not be doing this. But you could use xrandr from cli to change your resolution and even use it in a script
[23:21] <Reallycool> VPN messages and prompts don't show up, is there any way to fix this?
[23:22] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, I have another problem the windows wont open to full screen like internet page will sit about my dock even no its hide any idea
[23:22] <n4h0j> iceroot: so, if there is anything wrong in her system, it should be noted in that file at the time of the crash?
[23:22] <Aemaeth> thune3, correct, i currently have it closed and single screen, but it still says "Laptop" in the yellow box that blocks my top bar for maximized windows and my applications bar
[23:22] <iceroot> n4h0j: normally, yes
[23:22] <soreau> Aemaeth: This is assuming of course, that you do not use nvidia driver that doesn't support xrandr 1.2
[23:22] <n4h0j> iceroot, ok. I will check this out. thank you.
[23:23] <Aemaeth> thanks soreau, i'll look into that
[23:23] <paul111> ZykoticK9, resume session..
[23:23] <wizard_2010> can someone help me with my screen problem
[23:24] <freonchill> hello, is there a vnc viewer that allows to select low-color / low bandwidth for linux / ubuntu?
[23:24] <Aemaeth> freonchill, have you tried rdesktop?
[23:24] <freonchill> Aemaeth, no, i will try that; thanks
[23:24] <red2kic_> freonchill: ssh have those features: low-color + low bandwidth for linux / ubuntu
[23:25] <ZykoticK9> Aemaeth, does rdesktop support vnc?
[23:26] <mman> hey, anyone can help me configuratng bluetooth on my pc?
[23:26] <Aemaeth> ZykoticK9, not sure...
[23:26] <soreau> mman: What's there to configure? Did you look in sys>prefs>bluetooth?
[23:27] <Aemaeth> it's worked for some other protocols
[23:27] <mman> soreau, i do that and then put, turn on but it doesnt turn on, maybe is not installed
[23:28] <wizard_2010> everytime I restart my system I need to run metadata -- to get my windows back so i can close them what pluggin in compiz could be doing this ?
[23:28] <soreau> mman: Do you have a boothtooth adapter installed on your computer?
[23:28] <wizard_2010> metacity
[23:28] <ZykoticK9> mman, what ubuntu version are you using?  with lucid i have had the most success with BT, are you seeing the BT icon in system tray?
[23:28] <fwaokda> how do i zip up a folder?
[23:28] <mman> soreau, yes, but dont know if its configurated properly or something in ubuntu
[23:29] <mman> ZykoticK9, 10.4
[23:29] <soreau> wizard_2010: It's not a plugin causing this, it's a ubuntu problem that doesn't start any window manager. Is this an upgrade from 9.10?
[23:29] <mman> ZykoticK9, yes i do see the icon on the sys tray
[23:29] <Aemaeth> fwaokda, right click on folder, Compress...
[23:29] <ZykoticK9> mman, what device are you trying to connect too?
[23:29] <wizard_2010> soreau, no clean install on new laptop
[23:29] <iceroot> fwaokda: zip folder-to-compress compress-folder
[23:29] <mman> ZykoticK9, my cellphone
[23:29] <fwaokda> ty
[23:30] <soreau> wizard_2010: Try setting visual effects to None in gnome-appearance-properties
[23:30] <wizard_2010> soreau, how do i do that lol im noob
[23:30] <mataernj> www.blogeek.com.ve
[23:30] <soreau> wizard_2010: gnome-appearance-properties is the applet found in sys>prefs>appearance
[23:30] <ZykoticK9> mman, ahhh that's totally different.  sorry man i can't help, i had 0 success with my crappy old cell with BT.  there is a cell phone connection program in the repo that looks promising, sorry i've forgotten the name but search for phone in Synaptic or USC.  Good luck man!
[23:31] <Sir_Confused> is it still possible to upgrade from 8.10 without a fresh install?
[23:31] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: to what?
[23:31] <Sir_Confused> anything above 8.10
[23:31] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: sure
[23:31] <Sir_Confused> preferably 10.04
[23:31] <thune3> Aemaeth: is gnome-display-properties still running? maybe "killall gnome-display-properties"?
[23:31] <iceroot> !upgrade | Sir_Confused
[23:31] <mman> ZykoticK9, but also the problem seems that it doesnt get on
[23:31] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: but you have to go 8.10 - 9.04 - 9.10 - 10.04
[23:31] <mataernj> ./clean
[23:32] <Sir_Confused> yeah i'm on that page at the moment and the instructions aren't working
[23:32] <ZykoticK9> mman, i could certainly see my phone over the BT, i just couldn't connect or do anything too it.
[23:32] <IdleOne> Sir_Confused: I suggest doing a fresh install of 10.04
[23:32] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: arent working is a bad description for giviing support
[23:32] <Aemaeth> yes thune3, it was still running in background, thank you, didn't know the program name to look for....obvious in hind sight, but thanks!
[23:32] <mman> ZykoticK9, no, i cant even turn the bt on!!
[23:33] <Aemaeth> the curse of the yellow box is over!
[23:33] <wizard_2010> soreau, you the man change it from none to extra cause I'm using compiz
[23:33] <Sir_Confused> Well there's no useful button on the update manager gui and i'm getting some odd responses when I try to do it manually
[23:33] <freonchill> Aemaeth, documentation is a bit lacking for it, whats the syntax for connecting to a vnc server? vnc:IP ?
[23:33] <jharrison186> Hi. First-timer here. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my Mac. The .iso file is 733MB and too big to burn on a CD. I don't have a flash drive. Any workarounds?
[23:33] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: again, without usefull errors we cant (and we will not) help
[23:33] <wizard_2010> soreau, that fixed it all the way back to what it was only one other problem my headphone  jack wont play music
[23:34] <wizard_2010> soreau, it will play out of the speakers but not the headphones
[23:34] <freonchill> jharrison186, does your iso burner software tell you that its too big for a 700mb cdr disc ?
[23:34] <jharrison186> yes
[23:34] <soreau> wizard_2010: Another thing you can do is (while compiz is running) close all open windows then go to sys>prefs>startup applications>options tab and click Remember Currently Running Applications
[23:34] <freonchill> jharrison186, does the file pass a checksum?
[23:34] <jharrison186> I didn't make it that far. :) I'm using Disk Utility in Max OSX
[23:35] <ZykoticK9> mman, i've been trying to find what i could search for in lspci to identify BT and i cant figure it out :(  still trying.
[23:35] <Aemaeth> freonchill, it might not work with vnc protocol, so sorry if i lead you down a bad road, but "rdesktop -u [username] -p [password]  [server ip]:[port]" is worth a try
[23:35] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz#Running%20Compiz
[23:35] <freonchill> Aemaeth, k, thanks
[23:35] <Sir_Confused> current dist not found in meta-release file
[23:35] <Sir_Confused> No new release found
[23:35] <Danawar1> Heyyaa ubuntu when i try to access my harddrive in terminal i am unable to see it in /mnt where can i find it?
[23:35] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, thanks, can you help with my headphone problem
[23:36] <VCoolio> wizard_2010: sorry, no
[23:36] <Sir_Confused> that's what happens after i try do-release-upgrade
[23:36] <soreau> VCoolio: That link doesn't tell about the 'no wm start on login' bug
[23:36] <paul15353> when im using mozilla firefox..not everything fits on the page and when i zoom out its too small..is there anyway i can have it the same way i had it in windows where everything fitted and was easy to read??
[23:36] <wizard_2010> VCoolio, no problem will post on board thanks
[23:36] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: connected to the internet? what is the output of  lsb_release -a?
[23:36] <wizard_2010> can someone help me with headphone sound problem
[23:36] <Beyecixramd> paul15353: i guess your resolution is too low...
[23:36] <wizard_2010> sound will play over speakers
[23:36] <Sir_Confused> Description:	Ubuntu 8.10
[23:36] <Sir_Confused> Release:	8.10
[23:36] <Sir_Confused> Codename:	intrepid
[23:37] <paul15353> and how would i change it?
[23:37] <VCoolio> soreau: it's not a wm, it's window decoration and he needs the gtk-window-decorator --replace thing, doesn't he, also on next login it needs to be there, hence the startup hints
[23:37] <wizard_2010> headphone jack does work
[23:37] <Sir_Confused> and yes it has internet, it's this machine
[23:37] <Danawar1> BUMP Danawar1:
[23:37] <Aemaeth> wizard_2010, what kind of headphones?
[23:37] <soreau> VCoolio: I highly doubt compiz will start and gtk-w-d does not
[23:37] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: you are calling "do-release-upgrade"?
[23:37] <Sir_Confused> yes
[23:37] <Sir_Confused> with sudo
[23:37] <soreau> VCoolio: There is a bug where lucid just doesn't start any wm at all
[23:37] <wizard_2010> Aemaeth, sony they worked today now they dont and the work on my iphone
[23:38] <Aemaeth> i was really wondering if it was usb or not, i have a usb headset and to kill the computers speakers it's just in the sound prefs
[23:38] <mman> ZykoticK9, i think i have to turn the card in windows first
[23:38] <ZykoticK9> mman, sorry i'm totally not finding much info on BT not working :|   using "dmesg | grep -i blue" does list a bunch of Bluetooth related items, but very generic looking.
[23:38] <VCoolio> soreau: he was missing the title bar; but I didn't know about missing wm in lucid, maybe that's it
[23:38] <mman> ZykoticK9, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[23:38] <jkalex05> will the Xchat irc file that is for fedora gnu/linux work for ubuntu?
[23:39] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: i dont know if "do-release-upgrade" is reading out the synaptic optins, there you can set "never upgrade, only upgrade from lts tolts, always upgrade"
[23:39] <slow-motion> n8
[23:39] <soreau> VCoolio: Missing title bar is almost always an indication that no wm is running since gtk-w-d is not 'crashy' and ubuntu hard codes essential plugins like window decoration, on
[23:39] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: open synaptic and check in the settings the options for distribution upgrades
[23:39] <alexh10> hello to all!
[23:39] <ZykoticK9> mman, oh man i did NOT have to do ANY of that to get BT working on my Lucid installs!  it just worked perfectly for me, sorry i'm no real help.  best of luck man, hope you find a fix.
[23:40] <mman> ZykoticK9, thanks man ;)
[23:40] <Chuck27> Whats KDE?
[23:40] <mataks> how to start again console-keymaps?  i installed it using apt-get and when it finish it ask for setups and now i try to remove and install to do the setup again it won't run the setup.. help pls.
[23:40] <iceroot> !kde | Chuck27
[23:40] <wizard_2010> anyone help with sound issue with headphone jack
[23:40] <jkalex05> so anyone know?
[23:40] <jkalex05> will the Xchat irc file that is for fedora gnu/linux work for ubuntu?
[23:40] <soreau> wizard_2010: The more you elaborate on your issue, the easier it is for folks to help you
[23:41] <iceroot> jkalex05: install xchat from the repos
[23:41] <Chuck27> is it worth getting?
[23:41] <jkalex05> repos?
[23:41] <jkalex05> sorry your talking to a linux noobie here
[23:41] <soreau> wizard_2010: Tell them what audio card you have, explain what you've tried so far and what isn't working
[23:41] <soreau> ! audio | wizard_2010
[23:41] <iceroot> !apt-get | jkalex05
[23:41] <Aemaeth> wizard_2010, so you checked out the hardware tab on your sound prefs?
[23:41] <iceroot> jkalex05: type "sudo apt-get install xchat"
[23:42] <wizard_2010> thanks everyone I am a complete noob to this thanks for the help will check that out
[23:43] <jkalex05> iceroot thanks man
[23:43] <iceroot> !repo | jkalex05 (also important to read)
[23:44] <jkalex05> !synaptic
[23:44] <iceroot> jkalex05: yes maybe its better to start with synaptic to learn about the repos in ubuntu and the power of it
[23:45] <jkalex05> iceroot after i used that command is that automatically installed
[23:45] <Sir_Confused> system upgrade is set to 'always ask'
[23:45] <jkalex05> or do i still have to do something
[23:45] <iceroot> jkalex05: yes
[23:45] <Aemaeth> i like apt get better
[23:45] <Chuck27> so is there any reason i should get KDE
[23:45] <iceroot> jkalex05: its all done and you will find it at "applications -internet- xchat"
[23:45] <jharrison186> >	Hi. First-timer here. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my Mac. The .iso file is 733MB and too big to burn on a CD. I don't have a flash drive. Any workarounds?
[23:45] <jkalex05> wow
[23:45] <jkalex05> that was so easy thanks iceroot
[23:45] <iceroot> Chuck27: because you like kde, that is the reason
[23:45] <Aemaeth> synaptic seems to hang when too many packages are installed
[23:46] <Chuck27> ok ty
[23:46] <iceroot> jkalex05: trust me, apt-get is the killer-feature of debian/ubuntu.
[23:46] <jkalex05> well i need to get used to using command lines
[23:46] <jkalex05> and then im gonna learn python
[23:46] <iceroot> jkalex05: that is a good idea
[23:46] <aguitel> use aptitude
[23:46] <iceroot> aguitel: use nicknames :)
[23:47] <jkalex05> bash commands would be a good place to start right?
[23:47] <iceroot> jkalex05: yes,learning the basics about bash is not a bad idea
[23:47] <Sir_Confused> a load of repositories are coming up with 404's when i try and reload my list
[23:48] <iceroot> !8.10
[23:48] <jkalex05> iceroot what is wine for linux?
[23:48] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: because 8.10 is out of support and repos are disabled/moved
[23:48] <iceroot> !wine | jkalex05
[23:48] <Sir_Confused> so what can i do to upgrade then?
[23:48] <paul15353> is there any way i can make my mozilla firefox in ubuntu the same as my one in windows in relation to the way everything is displayed and laid out?
[23:49] <iceroot> paul15353: sure, why not?
[23:49] <ne7work> for what is xubuntu?
[23:49] <Aemaeth> paul15353, i'm not really aware of many differences
[23:49] <jharrison186> A little help please: I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my Mac. The .iso file is 733MB and too big to burn on a CD. I don't have a flash drive. Any workarounds?
[23:49] <Aemaeth> !xubuntu ne7work
[23:49] <iceroot> Sir_Confused: i guess replacing the repo-urls with the new repos for 8.10. they were moved to a different location, dont remeber the path
[23:50] <IdleOne> !xubuntu | ne7work
[23:50] <aguitel> jharrison186, use dvd
[23:50] <paul15353> i can't seem to get everything to fit on the page and when i zoom out the text is too small
[23:50] <iceroot> jharrison186: cant imaging the iso is 733mb
[23:50] <Aemaeth> thanks IdleOne
[23:50] <hilem> how do i see what packages are currently installed on 10.04?
[23:50] <IdleOne> Aemaeth: sure thing
[23:50] <iceroot> jharrison186: not the cd iso
[23:50] <duffydack> how can the ubuntu 'CD' be over 700meg?
[23:50] <maco> !intrepid | iceroot, Sir_Confused
[23:50] <duffydack> its not...
[23:50] <iceroot> hilem: dpkg -l
[23:50] <hilem> command-line that is
[23:50] <maco> !eol | iceroot, Sir_Confused
[23:50] <ne7work> IdleOne, and what is the difference?
[23:50] <charlespito> paul15353 you can share the same folder for both
[23:50] <iceroot> maco: no need that, thanks
[23:50] <suprengr> Any system font experts tuned in at the moment ?
[23:50] <jharrison186> Thanks. I'll have to dig up a DVD I guess.
[23:50] <ne7work> !edubuntu
[23:50] <maco> iceroot: for the repo urls you were looking for...theyd be on that help.ubuntu.com page
[23:51] <purpzey> Can anyone help me out with Simple Backup Config, I can't seem to get it to back up, it keeps telling me there is a process initiated, but it no new dir is created on my harddrive or anything like that
[23:51] <iceroot> maco: ah ok
[23:51] <Sir_Confused> i'm on the EoL upgrades page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Intrepid and the instructions aren't working
[23:51] <IdleOne> ne7work: www.xubuntu.com
[23:51] <Beyecixramd> suprengr: why don't you ask directly :)
[23:51] <duffydack> jharrison186, the ubuntu cd iso is not over 700meg
[23:51] <hilem> iceroot: thanks!
[23:51] <ne7work> IdleOne, and?
[23:51] <IdleOne> ne7work: go to the site and read :)
[23:51] <duffydack> its 697
[23:51] <jharrison186> duffydack: I know. It's the file I downloaded. I can't burn it to a cd
[23:51] <iceroot> hilem: maybe dpkg -l | grep ii > my-packages.txt   is a better idea
[23:51] <ne7work> IdleOne, how to compile alsa on ubuntu 9.04?
[23:52] <duffydack> jharrison186, I have all the ubuntu 10.04 isos on my hd.. they are not over 700mb
[23:52] <IdleOne> ne7work: i don't compile software.
[23:52] <hilem> iceroot:  i can grep the output for what i'm looking for... i just didn't know the command offhand
[23:52] <iceroot> jharrison186: the cd iso is less then 700mb
[23:52] <iceroot> hilem: ah ok
[23:52] <ZykoticK9> jharrison186, you do have 700 and not 650 MB cds right.
[23:52] <jharrison186> duffydack: I just downloaded them today, where did you get the files from?
[23:52] <jharrison186> ZykoticK9: right
[23:53] <Aemaeth> ne7work, i used xubuntu on a system that couldn't handle the regular ubuntu do to ram limitations, was basically the same as far as i could tell, just must be lighter
[23:53] <duffydack> jharrison186, ubuntu.com and choose a mirror
[23:53] <iceroot> !download | jharrison186
[23:53] <duffydack> what ^iceroot said
[23:53] <Sir_Confused> iceroot: all the instructions relate to repos that are 404'ing now
[23:54] <jharrison186> ubottu: thanks, working on it
[23:54] <zagabar> Any news on the problem where wireless network cards seems to be deactivated in 10.04?
[23:58] <flomaster> thune3:  u here?
[23:58] <flomaster> it seems I have lost SUDO and have booted from the live cd how can I copy what I need to copy from the live cd to repair my sudo ?
[23:59] <p3rror> can you help
[23:59] <p3rror> i have no sound
[23:59] <suprengr> Beyecixramd: ok, will do... you'll love tis one [but dont laugh too loud please].  I run a couple of 'kde' apps [gwenview & scribus etc]  Out of curiosity I tied [via synaptic] the kde base library simply to see what these apps looked like in their 'own' environment. Didntlikeit after only 1 session so removed it.  Now a real annoyance has been left... firefox and open-office are now using a kde font  as default for me
[23:59] <suprengr> nus etc. [looks awful and too 'thin' a font for 'good' use.  Any ideas on what / where / howto reset.  Ihave tried "sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-data" to no affect.  Thanks in advance for any help.
[23:59] <p3rror> please check for more information http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=799a7b92eda8d7c15ae574eee2be2f258a5f0cf4


[06:51] <leumashm> hi guys, im running apt-get install linux-generic -y  , im trying to make it run silently without prompting for any input. but it needs to input my geographical information, asia and country.
[06:51] <leumashm> any ideas?
[07:14] <frickler> leumashm: you can preconfigure those answers with https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/debconf-set-selections.1.html
[08:13] <yurtesen> ahasenack: will you also fix the jetty9 ? :)
[11:56] <ahasenack> yurtesen: never heard of jetty9, is there a bug about it?


[13:57]  * cpaelzer lights up the MIR-fireplace
[13:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: didrocks: doko: sarnold: ping
[13:58] <cpaelzer> who did I miss
[13:58] <jamespage> o/
[13:59] <doko> o/
[13:59] <doko> cpaelzer: joe
[14:01]  * joeubuntu waves hello
[14:04] <didrocks> hey
[14:06] <cpaelzer> I couldn't ping joeubuntu before he was available :-)
[14:06] <cpaelzer> I think we are complete now
[14:06] <cpaelzer> lets fech the links we usually look at
[14:06] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb  4 14:06:35 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:06] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:06] <cpaelzer> skipping previous-action items as we had no explicit ones
[14:07] <cpaelzer> let me know if I have just missed them :-)
[14:07] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:07] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:07] <cpaelzer> has two entries
[14:07] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jeepney/+bug/1861268
[14:08] <cpaelzer> has anyone history/experience with that to be a fast review?
[14:08] <cpaelzer> a.k.a call for volunteers
[14:08] <cpaelzer> python-dbus interface smells like a case for pythonic people - doko/jamespage maybe?
[14:09] <didrocks> doesn’t sound straightforward either and security sensitive no?
[14:10] <cpaelzer> I'd expect anything *dbus* to be security sensitive
[14:10] <jamespage> agreed
[14:11] <doko> ok
[14:11] <cpaelzer> and who wants to do the packaging check to then pass it on to security?
[14:12] <cpaelzer> It seems we fast-path agreed on the result, but somone has to do the formal check (maybe there is more that needs to be fixed)
[14:12] <joeubuntu> will jeepney be required for Focal?
[14:13] <joeubuntu> really just anything we talk about today , if we need it for 20.04 just let me know.
[14:14] <cpaelzer> it is in component-mismatches already
[14:14] <cpaelzer> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html
[14:14] <cpaelzer> depended on by python3-secretstorage
[14:15] <cpaelzer> does any of the following rev-deps ring a bell why this is in main
[14:15] <cpaelzer> $ reverse-depends -r focal python3-secretstorage
[14:15] <cpaelzer> Reverse-Recommends
[14:15] <cpaelzer> [14:15] <cpaelzer> * backintime-qt
[14:15] <cpaelzer> * nagstamon
[14:15] <cpaelzer> Reverse-Depends
[14:15] <cpaelzer> [14:15] <cpaelzer> * python3-datalad
[14:15] <cpaelzer> * python3-keyring
[14:15] <cpaelzer> * unity-mail
[14:16] <didrocks> (sorry, I meant seems security sensitive or not straightforward, but double negative :p)
[14:16] <cpaelzer> ok it comes from python3-keyring
[14:17] <cpaelzer> which then on revdeps hits openstack with python3-keystoneclient python3-novaclient and others
[14:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: would you mind doing the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jeepney/+bug/1861268 review
[14:17] <cpaelzer> it seems eventually it is you needing it anyway ?
[14:18] <cpaelzer> and once you have assessed the case you could let joeubuntu know if this is urgent-20.04 material
[14:18] <jamespage> cpaelzer: yeah I can do that
[14:18] <joeubuntu> 👍
[14:18] <cpaelzer> great
[14:18] <cpaelzer> the next in the list was ec2-instance connetc
[14:18] <cpaelzer> I have reviewed that in the past
[14:18] <cpaelzer> and denied
[14:19] <cpaelzer> the old missing bits are not provided, it was expired and accidentially set back to new
[14:19] <cpaelzer> I clarified on the bug and set it back to incomplete
[14:19] <cpaelzer> done with new MIR bugs
[14:19] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:19] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:20] <cpaelzer> of these I just mentioned ec2-instance-connect
[14:20] <cpaelzer> that is ok
[14:20] <cpaelzer> further we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyrsistent/+bug/1860422
[14:20] <cpaelzer> have you talked about this last week?
[14:20] <cpaelzer> doko: jamespage: this one seems between you two
[14:21] <doko> yep, I filed the incomplete one
[14:21] <jamespage> needs someone in u-openstack to fill in the details - I'll poke sahid and coreycb
[14:21] <cpaelzer> ok, so this one will make progress as well then
[14:21] <cpaelzer> all others are old and were handled int he past
[14:21] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:21] <cpaelzer> anything else by any of you?
[14:21] <cpaelzer> didrocks: jamespage: joeubuntu: doko ?
[14:21] <jamespage> o/
[14:21] <jamespage> yes
[14:21] <jamespage> one sec
[14:22] <joeubuntu> nothing for me
[14:22] <didrocks> (nothing particular for me)
[14:22] <doko> not from my side
[14:22] <cpaelzer> nothing (new) for server-team
[14:22] <jamespage> had I not had a launchpad timeout this AM
[14:22] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/masakari/+bug/1815991
[14:22] <jamespage> would have been marked back as New rather than Incomplete
[14:23] <jamespage> I was reviewing MIR work for 20.04 deliverables and realised we had put that one on hold but now needs revisiting
[14:23] <doko> didrocks: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.4.0-0ubuntu2  this is an ugly thing, using the interncal copy ...
[14:23] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so you are looking for a reviewer on 1815991 now is that correct?
[14:24] <jamespage> yes please
[14:24] <cpaelzer> I can take a look tomorrow
[14:24] <didrocks> doko: can you mention it to marcustomlinson on #u-desktop or should I?
[14:24] <cpaelzer> jamespage: is this 20.04 material
[14:24] <didrocks> or even here, he’s around, do done :)
[14:24] <didrocks> so*
[14:24] <jamespage> yep
[14:24] <doko> didrocks: please do
[14:24] <cpaelzer> jamespage: joeubuntu left already, you might want to let him know per email then?
[14:25] <marcustomlinson> doko: no, I simply removed the dep, no internal copy used
[14:25] <jamespage> yep will raise it although I would think it won't require security review
[14:25] <doko> ahh, ok
[14:25] <didrocks> +# SYSTEM_STUFF += qrcodegen
[14:25] <jamespage> being yet-another openstack python daemon thingmy
[14:25] <didrocks> yeah :)
[14:25] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll need soem time to look at it and agree that no security is needed
[14:25] <cpaelzer> but I'm glad to know your expectation ...
[14:25] <cpaelzer> I have one more for desktop didrocks
[14:25] <cpaelzer> in the incomplete MIRs we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjpeg2/+bug/711061
[14:26] <cpaelzer> didrocks: this still needs a team subscriber
[14:26] <cpaelzer> and a security review
[14:26] <didrocks> cpaelzer: handling it
[14:26] <cpaelzer> didrocks: you might want to fixup both so it can go forward
[14:26] <didrocks> well, not the security part :p
[14:26] <didrocks> yep
[14:26] <cpaelzer> didrocks: but you can set the assigned team to ubuntu-security
[14:26] <cpaelzer> ok, it seems we are good for now
[14:26] <didrocks> doing
[14:26] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll let you know if I find anything discussion worthy
[14:27] <cpaelzer> in masakari
[14:27] <jamespage> thankyee
[14:27] <cpaelzer> I'll close the meeting if nothing else comes up in
[14:27] <cpaelzer> 10
[14:27] <cpaelzer> 5
[14:27] <cpaelzer> 2
[14:27] <cpaelzer> 1
[14:27] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[14:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb  4 14:27:26 2020 UTC.
[14:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-02-04-14.06.moin.txt
[14:27] <cpaelzer> thanks everyone
[14:28] <didrocks> thx
[14:28] <jamespage> thanks cpaelzer


[00:03] <superm1> cjwatson, something about that still doesn't click though to me.  If the installer favors setting up an extended partition with logical partitions, how do you boot to them?  If you let the DOS MBR stick, it, can't have an active extended partition..?
[00:04] <cjwatson> that only applies if the user deliberately asks for the boot loader to be put on a logical partition
[00:04] <cjwatson> by default, we put it in the MBR
[00:05] <cjwatson> and the BIOS (only some BIOSes, at that) only cares that there exists a bootable primary partition - it doesn't have to be the one you end up chaining to
[00:05] <superm1> ah well then we are going to need to wander down the path of a partition recipe instead
[00:06] <superm1> support was added in for such recipes to ubiquity this cycle, correct?
[00:06] <cjwatson> has been there since automation in general was added in gutsy
[00:06] <cjwatson> does the DOS MBR really refuse to boot from a logical partition?
[00:07] <cjwatson> can it boot from an extended partition instead? you can install GRUB there
[00:07] <superm1> yeah.  I putzed around with it for a bit this afternoon until michael_e_brown indicated that to me and it made sense
[00:07] <michael_e_brown> hey
[00:07] <cjwatson> err, I think
[00:07] <cjwatson> maybe not
[00:07]  * michael_e_brown catches up
[00:07] <cjwatson> but, yeah, if you're using a boot loader that can't deal with it, it's totally reasonable to force the partition to be primary in your recipe
[00:08] <michael_e_brown> cjwatson, we have DOS MBR, which cannot chain to a partition PBR in an extended partition
[00:08] <superm1> and with the way the factory process handles things, it will *have* to be a dos mbr.
[00:08] <michael_e_brown> cjwatson, previously, partman put / on primary sda3
[00:09] <michael_e_brown> cjwatson, but now for some reason, it is putting / (and, by extension, /boot) on logical partition
[00:09] <cjwatson> I know, I made the change
[00:09] <cjwatson> it makes much more sense for just about all other boot loader arrangements
[00:09] <michael_e_brown> cjwatson, so does automatic ubiquity now support using recipes for partman?
[00:09] <cjwatson> 00:06 <cjwatson> has been there since automation in general was added in gutsy
[00:09] <cjwatson> that didn't need anything special, it's just a standard consequence of using partman-auto
[00:10] <michael_e_brown> ok. didnt know that.
[00:11] <cjwatson> weakening the primary partition constraint on / makes certain partitioning scenarios a lot simpler
[00:11] <superm1> i'll put together a recipe then and give a run tomorrow morning with that
[00:11] <michael_e_brown> cjwatson, the problem is that /boot needs to be on a primary
[00:11] <cjwatson> the PC partition table format is very restrictive with regard to primary partitions; it caused practical problems, for instance, with standard auto-resize installs of Ubuntu on stock Dell machines
[00:12] <cjwatson> no, that is not true in general
[00:12] <cjwatson> it is true if you're chaining from DOS MBR
[00:12] <michael_e_brown> in our specific case.\
[00:12] <cjwatson> but if you're using GRUB in the MBR (the standard Ubuntu approach) it's not the case
[00:12] <michael_e_brown> understood.
[00:13] <cjwatson> in your case, overriding the standard partition recipes with a custom one is definitely reasonable
[00:13] <cjwatson> and I'll have a think about whether we can support DOS MBR in a more inline fashion
[00:13] <michael_e_brown> cjwatson, it isnt a big deal if we can do a recipe which superm1 is working on
[00:13] <cjwatson> right, should be dead easy
[00:14] <superm1> well i'll do it tonight before i head to bed at least.  dinner for now :)
[04:58] <raju> cjwatson, i am getting error while booting the live cd ( which i created based on the docs given in ubuntu )
[05:00] <raju> cjwatson, error is like "/bin/sh can't access tty ; job control turned off"
[05:01] <raju> i took the gutsy livecd of 22 kernel
[10:31] <CIA-24> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2571 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/language.py): * Run fontconfig-voodoo as root (LP: #203086).
[14:42] <CIA-24> ubiquity: evand * r2572 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/noninteractive.py):
[14:42] <CIA-24> ubiquity: * Properly return in debconf progress functions in the noninteractive
[14:42] <CIA-24> ubiquity:  frontend. Thanks Colin Watson.
[14:42] <CIA-24> ubiquity: * Print progress updates on a new line again in the noninteractive
[14:42] <CIA-24> ubiquity:  frontend.
[14:42] <evand> superm1: ^
[14:43] <superm1> evand, fixing packages installation? :)
[14:43] <evand> That will fix the apt not finding packages on the CD bug.
[14:43] <superm1> oh just progress
[14:43] <superm1> that's still great
[14:43] <superm1> probably resolves the 1000 percent bug
[14:44] <evand> probably not actually, I imagine that bug relates to my lack of use of some of the other progress bits.  But I will fix that, it's on my list, it's just not as high a priority as some of the other items.
[14:44] <evand> superm1: but r2572 definitely fixes installing oem-config for me.
[14:46] <superm1> very good.  we'll be able to preseed languages and such then again too
[14:47] <superm1> thanks for tracking that one down.
[14:47]  * superm1 pulls updates to see what in the devil this fix actually ended up being :)
[14:48] <evand> superm1: cjwatson is definitely the one to thank on this one.
[14:49] <superm1> thanks a bunch cjwatson :)
[14:49] <cjwatson> superm1: I suspect (and this is just zen debugging) that the reason it broke was that the incorrect implementations of progress functions caused the progress bar to be cancelled, which maps to status 30 from any of the db_progress command
[14:49] <cjwatson> s
[14:49] <cjwatson> which would probably cause things to bail out
[14:50] <superm1> interesting that without a progress bar it bails though?
[14:50] <superm1> i didn't realize it was so dependent
[14:50] <cjwatson> there's still a progress bar under the hood, even if it isn't displayed
[14:50] <cjwatson> it's calling db_progress, and the frontend is setting up the internal structures and replying appropriately
[14:50] <cjwatson> it just wasn't stubbed out in quite the right way
[14:50] <superm1> ah
[14:51] <superm1> with the beta coming up, assuming we run into no more issues with noninteractive, will you guys be building a DVD at beta time?
[14:55] <cjwatson> I'd expect so, although whether it gets tagged as beta depends on whether we manage to get testing for it
[14:58] <superm1> okay well if it goes in a day or two after beta that's fine, just so long as we can have a dvd mastered with a collection of these fixes so we can get all the testing with language packages preseeded and such in
[15:10] <cjwatson> there should be an n-daily DVD build at the very least
[18:00] <mario_limonciell> evand, preseed files get loaded on the fly when ubiquity/d-i starts, not at boot, right?  They are just "specified" from the kernel command line
[18:03] <evand> mario_limonciell: no, they get loaded as part of casper
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> evand, oh that would explain why my changes weren't looking like they took effect with each run :)
[18:04] <evand> scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed
[18:04] <evand> heh
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> can i rerun that script after the OS is started to reseed?
[18:04] <evand> I generally just cat seed | debconf-set-selections
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> okay that will do
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> thanks
[18:04] <evand> you're welcome
[18:16] <mario_limonciell> evand, out of curiosity, if you preseed an expert recipe, would it actually show up on the page where you select partitioning layouts?
[18:20] <CIA-24> ubiquity: evand * r2573 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[18:20] <CIA-24> ubiquity: * When clicking back from the advanced partitioner, go back to the first
[18:20] <CIA-24> ubiquity:  partitioning page rather than the keyboard page. Thanks Jonathan
[18:20] <CIA-24> ubiquity:  Riddell.
[18:23] <evand> mario_limonciell: no, not unless you ran ubiquity with --automatic, but then it would skip the page entirely.
[18:23] <evand> well, skip the UI portion of the page
[18:23] <evand> it still runs the d-i code
[18:24] <mario_limonciell> oh i see
[18:26] <mario_limonciell> okay curiosity number 2: if it's just running the d-i code,  would it be possible to preseed say a LVM install provided all the right debconf variables are set?
[18:27] <evand> no, because ubiquity sucks in only the d-i components it actually uses
[18:27] <evand> and partman-lvm is not among them
[18:27] <mario_limonciell> oh boo :(
[18:27] <mario_limonciell> that would have been a really neat workaround to use
[18:27] <evand> heh, sorry
[18:27] <evand> possibly Intrepid, but we'll find out for sure in May.
[18:28] <mario_limonciell> it would really only have benefited on the systems that we were going to do dm-raid on
[18:28] <mario_limonciell> since dm-raid fell through and all
[18:28] <mario_limonciell> so not a big loss
[18:28] <evand> ah, I was just going to say
[18:42] <mebrown> mario_limonciell, ping
[18:46] <mebrown> mario_limonciell, nm...
[19:03] <CIA-24> ubiquity: evand * r2574 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity: Typo
[19:07] <mario_limonciell> mebrown, hey i'm here
[20:39] <mebrown> is there a way to manually mount a partition from the cmdline but supress the automount message that pops up in gnome?
[20:39] <mebrown> eg. when I mount the Dell reinstallation partition on /dev/sda2, it pops up an autorun dialog
[20:40] <evand> mebrown: see bug 199129
[20:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199129 in ubiquity "Auto-resize install fails to mount drive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199129
[20:41] <evand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/199129/comments/9 specifically might work
[20:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199129 in ubiquity "Auto-resize install fails to mount drive" [Undecided,New]
[20:41] <evand> otherwise you can play whack-a-mole on the nautilus/gnome-vfs gconf keys like we've been doing in ubiquity
[20:42] <mebrown> hmm... thanks
[20:42] <mebrown> I'll try it.
[20:43] <mebrown> evand, not complaining, just think it is funny that this is the cmdline in my .desktop file for this:
[20:43] <mebrown> Exec=gnome-terminal --hide-menubar -x sudo sudo hal-lock --interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage --exclusive --run /bin/bash /usr/local/bin/make-dvd.sh
[20:43] <mebrown> gnome terminal runs sudo which runs hal-lock which runs /bin/bash which runs my script
[20:43] <mebrown> that's *almost* longer than my script
[20:43] <mebrown> :)
[20:43] <evand> lol
[21:01] <mebrown> evand, doesnt appear to work for me
[21:01] <mebrown> evand, this is running on a full desktop after install
[21:01] <evand> Is that double sudo a pasting error?
[21:03] <evand> I don't think run lets you pass arguments
[21:03] <mebrown> evand, I messed that up. but it still doesnt work after fixing
[21:03] <evand> I'd get rid of the /bin/bash.
[21:05] <mebrown> ah.
[21:05] <mebrown> I get it.
[21:06] <mebrown> appears to work. thanks!
[21:06] <mebrown> putting quotes around the cmd also works
[21:06] <evand> mebrown: you're welcome
[21:06] <mebrown> doh.
[21:06] <evand> ah, good call
[21:06] <mebrown> the window popped up again
[21:06] <mebrown> just took a few more seconds
[21:06] <evand> argh
[21:07] <evand> hrm
[21:08] <mebrown> Exec=gnome-terminal --hide-menubar -x sudo hal-lock --interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage --exclusive --run "/bin/bash /usr/local/bin/make-dvd.sh"
[21:08] <mebrown> thats what I have so far.
[21:08] <mebrown> it runs, but it obviously doesnt lock something
[21:08] <mebrown> as I get an autorun dialog
[21:10] <mebrown> Well, a partial solution: delete the autorun.inf. Problem is that I still get a nautilus browser popup.
[21:13] <evand> So the alternative solution is to unset the appropriate gconf keys and then set them back when you're done running.  These would be...
[21:14] <evand>  /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives, /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media, /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible, /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount, /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount_open
[21:14] <evand> it's ugly and GNOME has a habit of changing these on us.
[21:14] <mebrown> hmm...
[21:14] <evand> still trying to figure out why hal-lock wont work though
[21:14] <evand> as that seems to be the most elegant solution
[21:15] <mebrown> the autorun dialog was a complete showstopper as users will invariably click the wrong thing.
[21:15] <mebrown> since I've gotten it to just a nautilus popup, that *may* be sufficient for now
[21:15] <mebrown> (esp. since nautilus goes away when the DVD create is finished)
[21:40] <xivulon> what is the status of bug #8497 ? I see it has been marked as fixed upstream
[21:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8497 in grub "grub guessed BIOS disk order incorrectly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8497
[21:57] <michael_e_brown_> shouldnt grub use EDD so it doesnt have to guess?
[21:57] <TheMuso> What is everybody's thoughts on disabling the running of pulseaudio in only-ubiquity mode? Speech doesn't rely on it, so it can do without it, and I've tested code here that disables it successfully.
[21:58] <TheMuso> Pulseaudio is only run because of gnome-settings-daemon honouring gconf values.
[21:59] <michael_e_brown_> no screen reader for ubiquity?
[22:00] <TheMuso> michael_e_brown_: Not quite. What I'm saying is that the screen reader's speech output component can work with or without pulseaudio, so its pointless to run pulseaudio just for that, and most people won't be using speech anyway.
[22:00] <michael_e_brown_> ah
[22:00] <michael_e_brown_> makes sense, i suppose
[22:00] <TheMuso> So even now when you boot only-ubiquity, pulseaudio is running, whether you know it or not.
[22:03] <mario_limonciell> TheMuso, well what's the advantage of going through that effort to do it though?
[22:03] <mario_limonciell> a 1-3 meg memory savings?
[22:04] <TheMuso> mario_limonciell: Yes, I was expecting this to be raised. :)
[22:04] <mario_limonciell> it may be useful to keep in place especially if ubiquity-slideshow ever materializes.  but to that same level its easy to add back
[22:04] <michael_e_brown_> just for reference, every meg helps
[22:05] <michael_e_brown_> on my PS3 with 200MB of RAM, current state of gutsy is sad
[22:05] <mario_limonciell> michael_e_brown, well ppc already has it's fair share of "kill me processes" :)
[22:05] <TheMuso> The only other issue that needs resolving for speech to work now, is for the ubiquity-dm session to be able to refresh knowledge of groups via pam or whatever it does, so that the ubuntu user can actually talk to the audio device.
[22:53] <armand> hello y a des gens


[04:02] <SomeDude56> Hi, I am having an issue with my Lubuntu wifi, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me
[04:02] <SomeDude56> Lubuntu cant seem to find the wifi adapter on the computer I installed it on
[04:18] <guiverc> SomeDude56, what release of Lubuntu, have you tried using the Ubuntu wifi troubleshooting (the base of Lubuntu is of course Ubuntu so it applies; the device recognition section the most useful as it lets to work out what chipset your wifi needs & thus you can search for details..)
[04:21] <SomeDude56> 16:04 i believe
[04:21] <SomeDude56> i am having issues getting it to recognize the wifi card / adapter in the computer
[04:26] <guiverc> The oldest supported release of Lubuntu is Lubuntu 20.04 LTS.   All supported releases of Lubuntu use LXQt, you're no doubt not; 16.04 reached EOSS back in April 2021 so your machine should be kept offline, no-wifi is actually a good thing I suspect
[04:26] <guiverc> You can pay for 16.04 ESM support; but it's not worth it with Lubuntu in my opinion, I'd suggest using a supported release.
[04:28] <guiverc> fyi.  16.04 tells you it was the 2016-April release (year.month format; add 2000 to year) which had 5 years standard support for Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Cloud etc & 3 years for flavors like Lubuntu.
[09:22] <FatPhil> having a spot of bother with a live usb - looks like I got some fs corruption, and I can't do a normal boot. I've got into recovery mode, and it told be there were errors, unsure how to proceed...
[09:26] <FatPhil> it did let me resume a normal boot from there, but the gui's different from how it last looked, it doesn't fit neatly in my QEMU window any more
[09:26] <FatPhil> I'll just do a restart without going through recovery mode
[09:28] <FatPhil> Oh, it's a "persistent live" image, for reference
[09:29] <FatPhil> ah, yes, normal boot restored the desktop to the high-viz mode I'm used to.
[09:30] <FatPhil> can I check all packages are correctly installed and not corrupted?
[09:37] <FatPhil> debsums isn't installed, and muon package manager won't run: "The package system could not be initialised, your configuration may be broken"
[09:39] <FatPhil> apt install debsums also fails "Reading package list... Error!" plus some other error lines
[09:43] <FatPhil> even apt list fails
[09:58] <FatPhil> ugh, now firefox fails too, which is the only reason I run the image
[09:59] <FatPhil> booting straight from the usb stick rather than in a QEMU is also failing with a kernel panic.
[10:00] <FatPhil> trying recovery mode again
[10:03] <FatPhil> ......./casper/filesystem.squashfs: mismatch
[10:04] <FatPhil> CHeck finished: errors found in 1 files! You might encounter errors.
[10:05] <FatPhil> fsck option says "/lib/recovery-mode/recovery-menu: line 80: /etc/default/rcS: No such file or directory" and then does nothing
[10:06] <FatPhil> root shell lets me see that indeed, that file doesn't exist
[10:23] <FatPhil> I can't bring up networking, but can't see how it's failing
[10:24] <FatPhil> nothing in /var/log
[17:56] <arraybolt3> FatPhil: OK so what happened? This is a normal live USB?
[17:56] <arraybolt3> Or one with persistence?
[17:56] <arraybolt3> If this is a USB, I'd back up my data, reflash the USB, and restore data.
[18:14] <dragon_> has anyone installed Ubuntu lately?
[18:14] <dragon_> I am wondering if I should go for lubuntu or Ubuntu this time
[18:14] <dragon_> I have grown to like the lubuntu desktop interface, easy and simple
[18:14] <dragon_> It is a while since I had Ubuntu