[15:20] <Jucato> NightBird: I don't think library or headers requried for compiling are available on the alternate cd
[15:21] <CrashMaster> !splash
[15:21] <CrashMaster> !ksplash
[15:21] <osman__> hi
[15:21] <osman__> can someone help me
[15:21] <osman__> i am new at ubundu
[15:21] <flaccid> i guess i offered :)
[15:22] <cahuez> ubuntu..
[15:22] <osman__> i want to install spss but i can't
[15:22] <osman__> i have the files but i don't know what to do
[15:23] <cahuez> spss, is for windows huh..?
[15:23] <osman__> but i have spss for linux
[15:23] <cahuez> really..!?
[15:23] <osman__> yes
[15:23] <cahuez> what is the exact name, spss or another..?
[15:24] <osman__> SPSS 16.0 for Linux
[15:24] <cahuez> or pspp..
[15:24] <osman__> i have a setup.bin file
[15:25] <osman__> what do i have tot do
[15:25] <cahuez> ok but do you have a web link for that linux version..?
[15:25] <osman__> yes
[15:25] <cahuez> show it to me first..!
[15:25] <osman__> one minute
[15:26] <cahuez> you got it through torrent..?
[15:26] <cahuez> sure..
[15:26] <osman__> http://rapidshare.com/files/80906213/ppespss16l.part1.rar
[15:26] <osman__> http://rapidshare.com/files/80909418/ppespss16l.part2.rar
[15:26] <osman__> http://rapidshare.com/files/80912567/ppespss16l.part3.rar
[15:26] <osman__> http://rapidshare.com/files/80915891/ppespss16l.part4.rar
[15:26] <osman__> http://rapidshare.com/files/80919090/ppespss16l.part5.rar
[15:26] <osman__> http://rapidshare.com/files/80921131/ppespss16l.part6.rar
[15:27] <osman__> ok??
[15:27] <CrashMaster> !pastebin | osman
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !piracy | osman__
[15:28] <cahuez> good osman and is there a website for spss for linux anyway..?
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want to stay legal, look at http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/
[15:29] <osman__> can u please tell me how can i install a program like spss in ubuntu
[15:29] <yakuzi> the problem with my data partition (fat32) is still there: the mounting seems to work now, but i can't write on the partition, it says i don't have rights. If i try to set it to "others" can read and write, it says i don't have rights to acces it, and it doesn't work, even i i do it from "open as root", so is there i way i can set those permitions in fstab or something, because it's annoying
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> osman__: can i aid in your piracy?  absolutely not.
[15:30] <yakuzi> fstab line for that partition looks like: /dev/sda5 /media/data auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[15:30] <Pici> osman__: Please stop asking about pirated software, this is the last warning or you will be removed.
[15:30] <fhd> hi. how can I see the current cpu usage in kde?
[15:30] <CrashMaster> yakuzi: Did you mount it in read/write, or write-only?
[15:30] <genii> ktop ?
[15:30] <osman__> i mount read/write
[15:30] <yakuzi> CrashMaster: the mounting is with automount...
[15:30] <CrashMaster> oh
[15:30] <CrashMaster> sorry then
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:31] <CrashMaster> I had a problem like that a while back, for some reason it was mounting  as read-only (did I actually say write-only earlier?)
[15:31] <cahuez> osman,just to be better and fine, do a > apt-get install pspp and enjoy..!
[15:31] <osman__> ok
[15:31] <CrashMaster> sudo apt-get
[15:32] <cahuez> yeap.. ;)
[15:33] <yakuzi> CrashMaster: if i look at disk & filesystems in kdesu kcontrol on that partition, it's on Type: automatic, enable at start up, writeable mount permission: any user may enable/disable anytime
[15:33] <CrashMaster> ok
[15:33] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuzi: i got tired of screwing with that, so i chown the moint point :)
[15:34] <CrashMaster> What about your NTFS permissions? I dont know how those come into play under kubuntu...
[15:34] <yakuzi> well the data partition is fat32, and before 8.04 it worked...
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it's fat32
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuzi: lemme guess, upgrade?
[15:35] <yakuzi> nope fresh install, i tried on the 24th right after release, and on friday night again, problem still there
[15:35] <Daisuke_Ido> certainly odd
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i get tired of mucking around and chown the mount point
[15:36] <Riddell> flaccid: fine with me
[15:36] <yakuzi> well i'm not that familiar with linux on such part so..what's chown and how you do it?
[15:37] <CrashMaster> ah Fat32. I should read more carefuly.
[15:38] <flaccid> Riddell: cool. kubuntu-desktop is what we recommend for 'base' and upgrades anyway right?
[15:38] <Riddell> yes
[15:39] <Riddell> flaccid: kde-4.0.4.php does advise kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[15:39] <joseph> it appears that kde 4 in hardy still needs a bit of development maybe?
[15:40] <CrashMaster> kde4 is in need of further development period.
[15:40] <CrashMaster> Its a work in progress, as is pretty much everything
[15:40] <flaccid> Riddell: apologies. just need to update the ubottu factoid from the 4.0.3 link to 4.0.4 link
[15:41] <joseph> CrashMaster: is there any projected date for a stable kde 4?\
[15:41] <joseph> !kde4
[15:41] <yakuzi> Daisuke_Ido: the partition is mounted on /media/data, can i do in konsole: chown yakuzi /media/data
[15:41] <mago> hola
[15:41] <mago> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:42] <mago> hello
[15:42] <mago> holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:43] <tmske_> shouldn't that be KDE 4.0.4 instead of 4.0.3?
[15:43] <ere4si> yakuzi: sudo chown -Rv yakuzi:yakuzi /media/data
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yakuzi, if you have fuse-utils installed then ntfs-3g would be a good app to try restoring read/write permissions to the windows partition
[15:44] <cahuez> hey mago..
[15:44] <flaccid> Jucato: just need to update link ^^
[15:45] <yakuzi> BluesKaj: it's fat32 data partition, my windows is on an other ntfs partition , so because i need to be able to acces my data from within linux and windows, i made the data partition fat32...
[15:46] <Jucato> flaccid: done
[15:46] <CrashMaster> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/WorldBootsplash?content=75547
[15:46] <CrashMaster> How would I install that?
[15:47] <flaccid> Jucato: thank you kindly!
[15:47] <BluesKaj> yes yakuzi , but make sure you've got fuse-utils installed , and ntfs-32 reads FAT32 as well
[15:47] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3G
[15:48] <yakuzi> ere4si: i did that command, it says for all files (as far as i can scroll back in konsole): failed to change ownership
[15:49] <ere4si> yakuzi: is yakuzi your login name?
[15:49] <yakuzi> yup
[15:50] <ere4si> yakuzi: I would remove the    nosuid    part from fstab
[15:51] <ahmed> i try to mount ntfs partition with ntfs config i get this error an error accured when trying to configure /media/Server D please retry what i have to do here
[15:53] <ere4si> ahmed: what command are you using to mount the ntfs partition?
[15:53] <yakuzi> BluesKaj: those packages are installed (by default i guess)
[15:53] <ahmed> i use ntfsconfig
[15:54] <ahmed> ntfs configuration tool
[15:54] <yakuzi> ere4si: ok the nosuid is removed unmount and mount the partition?
[15:54] <ahmed> ere4si ntfs configuration tool
[15:55] <ere4si> ahmed: I don't use the ntfs config tool - I mount manually - try  sudo mount -t ntfs /media/Server
[15:56] <ere4si> yakuzi: I would restart x so the fstab file is read anew
[15:56] <ere4si> after unmount
[15:56] <Dr_willis> restarting X to reread the fstab? Huh
[15:57] <ahmed> ere4si: i have "Server D" to mount in
[15:57] <Dr_willis> using a Space in a Share Name - is not a good idea. it can cause annoying quirks/issues
[15:57] <ere4si> Dr_willis: was about to say a reboot
[15:57] <BluesKaj> yakuzi, that's real odd , but like ahmed suggests ntfs-config is a tool that might work for you..just apt-get install
[15:58] <yakuzi> i'll see if it's solved now (i go reboot...)
[15:58] <Dr_willis> but i thinki missread stuff here. :)
[15:58] <ahmed> ere4si:
[15:58] <ahmed> Error opening partition device: Is a directory
[15:58] <ahmed> Failed to mount '/media/Server': Is a directory
[15:58] <ere4si> BluesKaj: he's using a fat partition
[15:59] <Dr_willis> ahmed,  whats the exact command you are using? or the exact fstab entry.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ere4si, it'll striul work
[15:59] <BluesKaj> still
[15:59] <genii> Looks like mount arguments are reversed or so
[16:01] <ahmed>  Dr_willis : nothing mension to this partition in fstab it sould be written by ntfs configuration tool am i right??
[16:02] <Dr_willis> I was thinking the ntfs-config tool just altered the existing lines in /etc/fstab, and may perhaps tweak somthing for the external ntfs disks also.
[16:02] <Dr_willis> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/DEVICENAME /media/placetomount
[16:03] <Zefir> For NTFS support I used the diskmounter script and changed ro to rw in fstab, works like a charm.
[16:03] <yakuzi> still don't work
[16:03] <Dr_willis> Hmm for RW for ntfs.. You may really want to be using the ntfs-3g stuff not  the normal ntfs stuff
[16:03] <Dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[16:03] <ahmed> Dr_willis:
[16:03] <ahmed> $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 1)
[16:03] <ahmed> Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operation not supported
[16:03] <ahmed> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:
[16:03] <Dr_willis> wonder how up to date that is now.
[16:04] <Dr_willis> ahmed,  thats your issue right there.
[16:04] <Dr_willis> its been flagged as 'dirty' so either scan it in windows to  fix it.. or use the force optuon
[16:05] <ahmed> ok about fstab do i have to edit it? i dont see that partition in it
[16:05] <Dr_willis> You will want to add a line for it.
[16:06] <Dr_willis> You proiberly want to read up on ntfs-3g and use that. their site and the wiki should have some examples.
[16:06] <ahmed> ok the device is 'dev/sad1 and i want to mount it in "/media/Server"  or "/media/Server D" so what i have to add exactly
[16:07] <ere4si> yakuzi: what did you try?
[16:08] <ahmed> ok the device is /dev/sda1 and i want to mount it in "/media/Server"  or "/media/Server D" so what i have to add exactly
[16:08] <Dr_willis> do NOT use spaces in the Names...
[16:08] <Dr_willis> :) you will regret it.
[16:08] <yakuzi> i removed the nosuid, saved fstab, reboot, it still gives the same problem, after reboot, i still can't ven do the sudo chown thing
[16:08] <ere4si> \%40 for a space right?
[16:08] <KomiaPoika> hi
[16:08] <Dr_willis> Just use a _ if you really MUST have somthing that looks like a spaec. :)
[16:09] <KomiaPoika> what is the best way to install nvidia drivers on kubuntu 8.04 kde4 alt amd64 fresh install?
[16:09] <mr_clark> Hi guys. Installed 8.04 with KDE4 on my Thinkpad T60. Works great but it won't shut down. I googled for a solution and tried a couple of things with acpi and apm without any luck. Any suggestions?
[16:10] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 help
[16:10] <ere4si> yakuzi:  try in fstab   /dev/sda5 /media/data users,rw 0 0
[16:11] <mr_clark> Jucato, I don't think it has anything to do with KDE4. I'm sure it's to do with Ubuntu in general.
[16:11] <mr_clark> But I'll post my question in there anyways.
[16:12] <Jucato> maybe... if KDE 3 can shut down...
[16:12] <Dr_willis> ere4si,  you frogot the filesystem type. :)
[16:12] <flaccid> mr_clark: what is happening sorry i missed it
[16:12] <KomiaPoika> same with my question
[16:12] <yakuzi> ere4si: can i just simply delete the "auto" in blue (so it was /dev/sda5 /media/data auto users,<other stuff>)
[16:12] <KomiaPoika> what is the best way to install nvidia drivers on kubuntu 8.04 kde4 alt amd64 fresh install? packages or dirty installer?
[16:13] <ere4si> yakuzi:  try in fstab   /dev/sda5 /media/data vfat users,rw 0 0   as Dr_willis  suggested
[16:13] <ere4si> thnx Dr_willis
[16:14] <Dr_willis> Wait a sec.. is this a NTFS or vfat filesystem? :)
[16:14] <Dr_willis> Im getting confused
[16:14] <yakuzi> i'm using a fat32 data partition
[16:14] <ere4si> yakuzi: get it to be usable then change stuff to suit your wishes
[16:14] <mr_clark> flaccid, IBM T60 laptop with 8.04 (KDE4). Won't shut down. Tried various solutions with apm and acpi that I found when Googling but they didn't work.
[16:14] <flaccid> mr_clark: is it blank black screen. which vid driver?
[16:15] <ere4si> Dr_willis: yakuzi has vfat  ahmed had ntfs
[16:15] <ies> DELL inspiron 1501 do not shut down too
[16:15] <mr_clark> When I shut down the screen either goes black and I have to hit the power button to turn it off or when I tried the last fix with apm_poweroff in /etc/modules it stopped with my background wallpaper and thats it.
[16:15] <mr_clark> flaccid, black screen. ATI driver.
[16:15] <flaccid> mr_clark: using fglrx driver?
[16:18] <mr_clark> flaccid, yes. xorg-driver-fglrx
[16:18] <flaccid> its a bug. what do you have for dpkg -l | grep xorg-driver-fglrx
[16:18] <yakuzi> fstab has now: /dev/sda5 /media/data vfat users,rw 0 0
[16:19] <yakuzi> after log-out, restart X server and login in it works as it should
[16:19] <mr_clark> 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34
[16:19] <ere4si> yakuzi: great - you're happy?
[16:20] <yakuzi> :) as long as it keeps working...i'm happy yes, you can't use a partition if ou can't write on it right...(i need that partition)
[16:21] <ere4si> yakuzi: send a thnx to Dr_willis_ for being on the ball pls
[16:22] <flaccid> mr_clark: are you on hardy, try upgrading to 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-17.36 in hardy-proposed repos
[16:22] <mr_clark> flaccid, So does that mean I'll need to update the kernel too?
[16:22] <yakuzi> Dr_willis, ere4si, BluesKaj and all the ones i maybe forgot who helped me with this problem... thank you very much may the Tux-force be with you ;-)
[16:23] <ere4si> yakuzi: our pleasure :)
[16:24] <flaccid> mr_clark: um i think so
[16:24] <BluesKaj> yakuzi, .dunno what help I gave, but glad you got it working :)
[16:25] <KomiaPoika> what is the best way to install nvidia drivers on kubuntu 8.04 kde4 alt amd64 fresh install? packages or dirty installer?
[16:25] <flaccid> mr_clark: enable proposed in update then just update
[16:25] <yakuzi> BluesKaj: you helped me before with an other problem also, so you deserve a thank you just as the others :)
[16:26] <mr_clark> flaccid, Can I enable hardy-proposed in adept?
[16:26] <flaccid> mr_clark: should be able to in manage repos
[16:28] <flaccid> um just click all in the updates tab mr_clark :)
[16:29] <mr_clark> flaccid, But the options under the Updates tab are all greyed out.
[16:30] <flaccid> mr_clark: um try running adept under kdesudo adept
[16:32] <mr_clark> flaccid, Nope. Still greyed out.
[16:32] <Faust-C> im trying to get my 3rd gen ipod working properly anyone get theirs to work
[16:41] <BluesKaj> mr_clark, ati shutdown prob , there's afix here for lower end ati cards : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/comments/32
[16:42] <flaccid> BluesKaj: there are other similar bugs and duplicates too
[16:43] <flaccid> mr_clark: add deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-proposed universe main multiverse restricted to your /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade;
[16:48] <mr_clark> flaccid, I did get the update installed by adding hardy-proposed manually. I'm going to reboot and try it out.
[16:48] <flaccid> sweet
[16:48] <flaccid> mr_clark: note that its not fully fixed for me
[16:48] <flaccid> it is for logout
[16:49] <mr_clark> flaccid, So it's not working for you doing a shut down?
[16:49] <flaccid> mr_clark: it is
[16:49] <flaccid> just not on manual X restart for some reason
[16:50] <flaccid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118605
[16:50] <Jucato> hardy-proposed != hardy-backports...
[16:50] <flaccid> hmm same one
[16:50] <flaccid> indeed
[16:50] <flaccid> xorg-driver-fglrx | 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-17.36 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/restricted Packages
[16:51] <flaccid> mr_clark: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/comments/64 <-- my last comment
[16:51] <mr_clark> flaccid, KDE4 crashed during the shutdown but shutdown did work. Thanks.
[16:52] <flaccid> mr_clark: cool. do some testing and report it to the bug please especially if it does crash in any way
[16:52] <Pixeltime> Anyway to get the Help files, Help Center loads, but there is no content
[16:53] <Pixeltime> KDE4
[16:53] <mr_clark> flaccid, I'll do that. Now I just need to figure out how to get FreeBSD to properly shut down too!
[16:53] <flaccid> mr_clark: shutdown -h now
[16:53] <mr_clark> flaccid, It hangs too with FreeBSD. Very strange.
[16:53] <Jucato> Pixeltime: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[16:53] <flaccid> Pixeltime: i have that too
[16:54] <flaccid> mr_clark: thats not good. in this case its the even wrapper around it that ubuntu supplies, but because it still crashes then maybe there is a bug in the driver itself too
[16:54] <flaccid> even=event
[17:03] <BluesKaj> mr_clark, remember the hang fix won't work until after the rebbot , then it should work on the next shutdown
[17:04] <BluesKaj> BBL , lunch...
[17:11] <tzd> i'm looking for something similar to winzip/winrar for kubuntu and I haven't found any gui based "tar-and-zip-to-one-file" programs. Anyone with suggestions please?
[17:12] <jussi01> !info ark
[17:13] <flaccid> !info krusader
[17:13] <tzd> jussi01:  i've used ark to unzip etc but I can't get it to work properly for creating zips etc that's why I've asked for an alternative. I would like to mark a few files, right click and add them all to one archive... seems impossible to do with ark?
[17:14] <flaccid> you can do it via konqueror/dolphin and krusader as well
[17:14] <flaccid> if they fail, probably submit a bug/look at why you can't create the archive
[17:14] <jussi01> tzd: is there anything wrong with hilighting the files then right click - compress?
[17:15] <jussi01> does anyone know how to fix this?
[17:15] <jussi01> jussi@jussi-desktop:/media/KINGSTON/Life For Rent$ sudo rm 0\ -\ 02\ -\ Dido\ -\ Stoned.mp3
[17:15] <jussi01> rm: cannot remove `0 - 02 - Dido - Stoned.mp3': Read-only file system
[17:16] <jussi01> :/
[17:16] <Awawa> hi kubunteroes
[17:16] <Awawa> i nedd help
[17:16] <Awawa> *need
[17:16] <jussi01> !ask | Awawa
[17:16] <Awawa> i have some problems in installing kubuntu
[17:16] <tzd> flaccid: hmm ok. So i should be able to highlight files and then add them all via rightclicking to one zip archive in Krusader? It does look interesting!
[17:16] <Awawa> grub doesn't run
[17:16] <tzd> jussi01: when i try that with ark it only adds 1 file to 1 zipfile...
[17:17] <Awawa> grub doesn't find partition
[17:17] <jussi01> the rest of the thumb drive is fine, just those few files wont delete :/
[17:18] <Awawa> mmm... you have no solutions for my problem? :|
[17:19] <tzd> jussi01: does "sudo rm -f" make any difference to your dido issue?
[17:19] <genii> jussi01: Perhaps put filenames which begin with space inside quotes
[17:19] <flaccid> tzd: yeah krusader is the file manager i use for everything
[17:20] <jussi01> tzd: no, no difference
[17:20] <tzd> flaccid: sweet! Will i have to replace d3lphin completely if i decide to install krusader?
[17:20] <jussi01> genii: no help there either... :/
[17:21] <Fujisan> HELP
[17:21] <Fujisan> how do i run transmission from Konsole?
[17:21] <Fujisan> the link in Konquerer when i double click it nothing happens
[17:22] <flaccid> i don't see the point in removing it but you could
[17:22] <tzd> jussi01: ok, just a guess which you probably already thought of ;) What about the leading char: "`" from the output? Does that one make a difference perhaps?
[17:22] <flaccid> transmission?
[17:22] <flaccid> !info transmission
[17:23] <Fujisan> yeah that doesnt help me really
[17:23] <Fujisan> i installed it
[17:23] <Fujisan> but it wont run
[17:23] <flaccid> did you try the command, transmission
[17:23] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[17:23] <genii> Fujisan: Transmission is not a commandline based torrent client.
[17:23] <jussi01> what have you tried?
[17:23] <Fujisan> i know i am trying to launch it from Konsole
[17:24] <Fujisan> it wont run when i double click the shortcut
[17:24] <jussi01> Fujisan: try typing: transmission
[17:24] <Fujisan> i did that jussi01 doesnt work
[17:24] <Fujisan> nothing happens
[17:24] <flaccid> did you press enter?
[17:24] <Fujisan> yes
[17:24] <flaccid> and then what happens
[17:24] <Fujisan> it just wont start
[17:24] <Fujisan> bash: transmission: command not found
[17:24] <flaccid> hooray
[17:25] <Fujisan> bash: transmission: command not found
[17:25] <flaccid> lets look at the package contents on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[17:25] <genii> Fujisan: You need package transmission-cli installed for command line interface to it
[17:25] <Fujisan> ok
[17:25] <Deepthought> synaptic stalled because of error in package; my var-partition has no room left, so that's probably the trouble cause the package gets cached there if I' m right.   How do I empty the cache without interfering with the running install (quite a large bunch, thou there should be enough room, must be old packages)
[17:25] <Fujisan>  Selecting previously deselected package transmission-cli.
[17:25] <Fujisan> (Reading database ... 126284 files and directories currently installed.)
[17:25] <flaccid> transmission-gtk for gtk frontend
[17:26] <jussi01> I got to run, back in  a bit
[17:26] <Fujisan> and for kubuntu?
[17:26] <Fujisan> Selecting previously deselected package transmission-gtk.
[17:26] <Fujisan> Unpacking transmission-gtk (from .../transmission-gtk_0.72.dfsg-1_i386.deb) .
[17:26] <Fujisan> both -cli and -gtk were installed automagically
[17:26] <flaccid> !enter
[17:26] <Fujisan> so it has to be something else
[17:26] <flaccid> thats right they are dependencies. there is no qt/kde frontend
[17:26] <Fujisan> !enter ?
[17:27] <flaccid> Fujisan: solution is here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/transmission-cli/filelist
[17:27] <Fujisan> ok ty
[17:28] <flaccid> command appears to be transmissioncli for cli and transmission for gtk frontend
[17:28] <Fujisan> ok ty
[17:29] <flaccid> its possible you may need to do `which transmission` login shell restart
[17:29] <Fujisan> cli works gtk doesnt
[17:29] <Fujisan> oh
[17:29] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[17:30] <Fujisan> transmission doesnt start a gui for the app
[17:30] <flaccid> Fujisan: when you run /usr/bin/transmission from konsole what does it return
[17:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> deluge would have been the better choice for a default gtk torrent client
[17:30] <Fujisan> bash: /usr/bin/transmission: No such file or directory
[17:31] <flaccid> Fujisan: pastebin dpkg -l | grep transmission
[17:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't think it's installed by default in kubuntu
[17:31] <flaccid> its optiona
[17:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> ktorrent probably is
[17:32] <flaccid> apparently its installed, thus why im checking the pkgdb
[17:32] <flaccid> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/transmission
[17:34] <Fujisan> http://pastebin.ca/1015924
[17:34] <Fujisan> ok transmission-gtk works
[17:34] <Fujisan> thanks
[17:34] <Fujisan> werd
[17:34] <Fujisan> that i have to specify it like that
[17:34] <Fujisan> to start it
[17:35] <KomiaPoika> in ubuntu what do i have to add in sources.list to get flash video stuff installed?
[17:35] <nvidal> Hi everyone. I just installed KDE4 and the *applications icons* in the *application launcher* are missing. Any ideas?
[17:35] <Fujisan> isnt there a kde variant of transmission or a similar torrent app?
[17:36] <cinex> ktorrent
[17:36] <dennis_p> ktorrent
[17:36] <cinex> sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[17:36] <cinex> or azuerus
[17:36] <cinex> azureus is java
[17:36] <dennis_p> ktorrent is great
[17:36] <Fujisan> ok ty
[17:36] <dennis_p> :-)
[17:37] <ghostcube> hi does anyone know the window type for kmenu :-?
[17:37] <ghostcube> Unkown doesnt seem to work
[17:38] <cinex> not i
[17:39] <flaccid> Fujisan: sorry i missed that pkg
[17:39] <Deepthought> synaptic stalled at installing a bunch of suff; sez there's error in package and hangs on detail:' ldconfig deferred processing now taking place' how do I stop it or get it going again ?
[17:39] <flaccid> Deepthought: afaik thats normal
[17:40] <Deepthought> flaccid: ?
[17:40] <Deepthought> flaccid: you mean it can take ages ?
[17:40] <flaccid> that message is normal
[17:40] <flaccid> yeah it can take a bit
[17:41] <Deepthought> but it's not doing anything for quite some time; also apt-cache seems to full, only 700 megs left, could that be rpob or does it auto-flush ?
[17:41] <Deepthought> (separate var-partition)
[17:43] <trappist> Deepthought: I clean it out once in a while
[17:44] <Deepthought> flaccid: so it doesn't do that by itself ?   how can I clean it up; the dir is locked by synap
[17:44] <dennis_p> after 8.04 upgrade /media/hdb4 is named /media/sdb4 , where is this mentioned in installation help? I need to hyperlink so that ktorrent can continue
[17:45] <cinex> is anyone using opera (possibly opera beta 9.50 2) /
[17:45] <cinex> ?
[17:45] <cinex> i want somebody to test to see if a website flags up as fraudulent
[17:45] <cinex> that's all
[17:46] <flaccid> Deepthought: sudo apt-get clean
[17:46] <Deepthought> tried that, but don't go because of lock; synaptic won' t be stopped
[17:47] <Deepthought> and if I kill it from konsole, wouldn't I mess up the new installs (or worse old ones)
[17:47] <cinex> deepthought sudo killall -9 synaptic
[17:47] <cinex> ?
[17:47] <cinex> Deepthought: apt-get continues where you leave off
[17:48] <cinex> not sure about synaptic - but i would guess it was the same
[17:48] <Deepthought> cinex: ok , was about to ask that; will do, thanx !
[17:48] <cinex> i have to kill it a lot because of the bandwith issues
[17:50] <Deepthought> cinex: well it got killed allright, but when I restart nothing happens, and apply is greyed out; so probably half got installed; that could get messy, no ?   I mean missing sdeps and stuff; or doesn' t it initialise new progs until everything's in place ?
[17:51] <cinex> Deepthought: you could either use apt-get or go into the directory and isntall the already downloaded .debs
[17:51] <cinex> /var/cache
[17:51] <cinex> i think dpkg has a --reinstall option too
[17:51] <cinex> or maybe apt-get has a --reinstall option
[17:52] <cinex> one of them has
[17:52] <Deepthought> cinex: with apt-get how would I do the same operation again (I can't really remember exactly, and I just cleand cache)
[17:52] <cinex> sudo apt-get install package1 package2
[17:52] <cinex> etc
[17:52] <cinex> if it is in the cache it will jsut install it
[17:52] <Dragonath> hey, can anyone be arsed to help me getting my crappy little microphone work with audacity on 7.10?
[17:52] <cinex> Dragonath: have you unmuted it in kmix ?
[17:53] <Dragonath> now I have
[17:53] <cinex> Dragonath: does that mean im awsome ?
[17:53] <Deepthought> cinex: then I might as well use synaptic, like I said it was a whole list; need the search; but I' d like to rerun the whole selection, is there a way ?
[17:53] <cinex> find the files /var/cache/apt/ ?
[17:53] <Dragonath> well my problem was more that it gave an error whenever I tried to record
[17:54] <Deepthought> cinex: I cleaned it !
[17:54] <cinex> then sudo dpkg -i * --reinstall
[17:54] <Dragonath> something about initalizing the device
[17:54] <cinex> nah, not the files u didnt
[17:54] <Dragonath> plus audacity just crashed
[17:54] <cinex> i dont use synaptic
[17:54] <Deepthought> aha !   will try
[17:54] <cinex> :/var/cache/apt/archives$
[17:55] <cinex> be careful. it could take al ong time to reinstall every app you ever downlaoded
[17:55] <cinex> could mess up some configs too i guess
[17:56] <Deepthought> not really a problem, have 4Gb bandwith, so quick; but tht command did nothing but create a list of files, not packages, just the home-folder ?!?
[17:56] <cinex> Dragonath: beyond my ken im afraid
[17:56] <cinex> Deepthought: what command ?
[17:56] <Deepthought> sudo dpkg -i * --reinstall
[17:57] <cinex> cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:57] <cinex> and ls in there
[17:57] <cinex> see if you have any files
[17:57] <Deepthought> no files, cleaned cache
[17:57] <cinex> youve checked?
[17:57] <cinex> u cleaned the files out halfway through installign them?
[17:57] <Deepthought> because partition got cramped; was probably why install stopped in middle with error
[17:57] <Deepthought> so I cleaned it after the kill...
[17:58] <cinex> and which program doesnt work now? synaptic?
[17:58] <Deepthought> nonononono
[17:58] <cinex> well which one ?
[17:58] <cinex> you'll have to start again then
[17:58] <cinex> you cant install stuf fyou dont have
[17:59] <giogias> hi
[17:59] <giogias> can someone help me here?
[17:59] <Deepthought> synaptic hung in the middle of installing bunch of stuff; sed error in pakage, checked cache room left, cause that was prob last time, cleaned -after- killing synapti; no prob with synp now, just don't wanna click all those boxes again; guess I' ll have to though...
[17:59] <cinex> Deepthought: erm. use the command line...
[17:59] <Deepthought> cinex: very wise remark, zen-like..  ;-)
[18:00] <cinex> :)
[18:00] <giogias> i have a problem with the visual effects somethink with the nvidia
[18:00] <Deepthought> cinex: I do for one or two, but I used search in synaptic to get everything worthwhile for kde4, ya see ?   would take ages surfing
[18:00] <cinex> Deepthought: you can symlink the cache to a drive with more space
[18:01] <cinex> kubuntu-kde4-desktop ?
[18:01] <Deepthought> cinex: now that is useful info; next time something like this happens that would be the solution; (plenty of space now).   I will keep that in mind, never thought of that
[18:02] <cinex> Deepthought: its probably not the secure option
[18:02] <Deepthought> cinex: no, have that already, but wanted more thingemy's to play with
[18:02] <cinex> ok
[18:02] <Deepthought> cinex: nope, but it might get me out of the future tight-spot
[18:02] <cinex> why are using synaptic for kde? shouldnt you be using adept ?
[18:03] <Deepthought> cinex: probably should, just got used to it cause I started with ubuntu, added kde later; like it a lot better tho
[18:04] <Deepthought> cinex: So I have ubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu-kubuntu-kde4 combi; I was never to good at choosing...
[18:04] <cinex> heh. i dont like xcfe much
[18:04] <cinex> have you tried that flux /
[18:04] <cinex> ?
[18:05] <Deepthought> cinex: no, I started it once and never again, but some nice things cam with it I think; will check and prob remove rest; like fluxbox much better for fast desk-moods
[18:05] <Deepthought> cinex: haha, beat ya to the flux !
[18:05] <xanax`> hello
[18:05] <cinex> heh
[18:05] <xanax`> how can I switch back to kde 3's kdm and not the kde 4's one ?
[18:06] <cinex> xanax`: uninstall one and reinstall the other?
[18:06] <cinex> or find the config file
[18:06] <Deepthought> cinex: I loved fluxbox already in the days it was still   eeehhh...   eeehhhh, canb't think of the name...
[18:07] <Deepthought> cinex: oh yeah, blackbox..
[18:08] <genii> xanax`: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm/kde4-kdm/gdm   (whichever is currently running)   and choose which you like
[18:08] <xanax`> thanks genii
[18:09] <genii> xanax`: You're welcome
[18:09] <Deepthought> cinex, flaccid, thanx for storming my brain, was useful, be on my way... bye
[18:10] <flaccid> oky doky cia0
[18:10] <cinex> bye
[18:12] <xanax`> thanks a lot, genii. It worked like a charm.
[18:28] <Kr|ptiX> how do i restart apache
[18:28] <ubunturos> Kr|ptiX: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[18:30] <Dragonath> is there any tutorial for getting my crappy microphone to work?
[18:32] <azzco> Dragonath: Have you messed around in kmix or alsamixer yet?
[18:32] <talavis_> i think qt 4.4 has been packages incorrectly, it's impossible to install libqt4-opengl-dev
[18:33] <azzco> What's up with everyone being idle? =/
[18:34] <ubunturos> just that there's less of things to configure these days, azzco,
[18:34] <ubunturos> and may be more know how to DIY
[18:34] <ubunturos> ;)
[18:34] <Dragonath> azzco: yes, in fact if I blow into my mic, it actually sounds from the speakers
[18:34] <Dragonath> it's just the apps don't work
[18:36] <azzco> Dragonath: Any special app? I'm not sure what the command for alsa recording is...
[18:37] <azzco> ubunturos: There's allways something to configure =p
[18:37] <Dragonath> I'm trying audacity and krec
[18:38] <WillMc> Hello all
[18:38] <azzco> Dragonath: I never had any luck with krec myself, you're probably better of trying with just audacity.
[18:39] <WillMc> Does anyone know how to upgrade KDE?
[18:39] <Dragonath> audacity doesn't seem to know how to handle the sound device
[18:39] <cinex> WillMc: you may be able to find a repository for apt
[18:39] <azzco> WillMc: To? KDE 4? CVheck kubuntu.org
[18:40] <WillMc> Do I have to dl it and then install it?
[18:40] <cinex> no. it will be an url that you add to your sources fle
[18:42] <jestercreator> guys, how install compiz from src?
[18:42] <jestercreator> in 7.10
[18:44] <noisekiller> I need some help ... Installed Kubuntu Hardy on desktop computer (with Vista) but bootloader/grub doesnt show up.
[18:45] <flaccid> !grub | noisekiller
[18:45] <flaccid> ^^ first link noisekiller
[18:46] <noisekiller> flaccid: Thanks ... Earlier today i tried to repair grub from kubuntu live-CD and lost Windows boot.. Had to fixmbr.. now i tried again. But i'll read first :)
[18:47] <noisekiller> flaccid: Service temporarily unavalible. :-|
[18:49] <flaccid> noisekiller: fixmbr will overwrite grub with windows bootloader fyi
[18:49] <KomiaPoika> ok, so i got a fresh install of kubuntu kde4... i can't login from kdm, wtf?? i know my password is right because in can login to tty's
[18:49] <noisekiller> flaccid: Notice taken. :) But I could load my Vista again. First link is dead/unavailable... :-(
[18:50] <uga> KomiaPoika: check your password in the username
[18:50] <uga> and see if you type exactly what you expect
[18:50] <uga> it might be that the keyboard layout isn't correct
[18:50] <uga> and similar for the tty
[18:51] <KomiaPoika> help, i got a fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 kde4 amd64 and i can't login from kdm! but i know my password is right because i can login from tty's...
[18:51] <KomiaPoika> uga: ok
[18:51] <KomiaPoika> uga yes that was it, thank you
[18:52] <JackWinter> don't really know where to ask.  how do i configure kmix and skype to recognise my mic ?
[18:52] <uga> KomiaPoika: all correctly answered question owners are entitled to buy me presents in Xmas ;)
[18:53] <uga> JackWinter: kmix will recognise it if alsa does first
[18:53] <uga> is your soundcard supported by the kernel?
[18:53] <JackWinter> it works on output.  an intel-hda
[18:54] <uga> strange that the input doesnt' then
[18:54] <KomiaPoika> uga: how can i set up my local keyboard in kdm4?
[18:55] <JackWinter> uga: i find no alsa mixer with  metering and think i've tried all different variation on the input tab.  don't know if darkred or pink means on in kmix..
[18:55] <uga> KomiaPoika: no idea, I don't use the kde4 packages provided by kubuntu =(
[18:55] <flaccid> noisekiller: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:iEE-Xfyc0mQJ:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows+https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au
[18:55] <JackWinter> uga: i can here the mic if a raise the volume of mic in the output tab
[18:55] <uga> JackWinter: then you haven't selected the microphone for recording input
[18:55] <uga> JackWinter: run alsamixer in konsole
[18:56] <uga> press F4 to show Capture options
[18:56] <uga> if you go left<->right you can select the input, and up/down for volume
[18:56] <noisekiller> flaccid: Thanx ... I'll try EasyBCD first i guess
[18:59] <uga> uhm, lets set up g2
[19:04] <myk_robinson> hey. Got a compaq presario F730US. I have no virtual terminals, presumably because the xorg file does not define any virtual resolutiosn. How do i resolve this? CHeck here for more details:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4942743#post4942743
[19:07] <flaccid> myk_robinson: virtual size is done like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11709/
[19:07] <myk_robinson> is that what will provide my virtual terminals? I was just guessing that this is part of the problem.
[19:08] <Kr|ptiX> how do i add mysql extention to my php.ini
[19:08] <flaccid> well you say xorg file does not define any virtual resolutiosn. but your forum post is about virtual terminals and something else
[19:08] <myk_robinson> hmmm.. looking at the xorg on my desktop, i have no virtual size, but i can drop to virtual terminals just fine.. any ideas?
[19:09] <myk_robinson> flaccid: i thought maybe the lack of virtual size was the reason that my virtual terminals do not show. When i issue the command for a virtual console, i just get a black screen with no text. This is the same thing it does when the screen blanks
[19:10] <eagles05> !info vmware
[19:10] <eagles05> !info vmware-server
[19:10] <flaccid> no virtual size is for X11 not ttys and is used for multiple displays
[19:10] <myk_robinson> oh.
[19:10] <myk_robinson> in that case, where should i be focusing my attention?
[19:10] <viSUAL> :)
[19:10] <flaccid> what ubuntu version and which driver are you using
[19:11] <flaccid> also what is lspci | grep -i video
[19:11] <myk_robinson> Kubuntu 8.04, and the nvidia driver, installed using the restricted driver manager
[19:11] <myk_robinson> brb, gonna go get my laptop out ofthe car.
[19:11] <viSUAL> how are things today?
[19:12] <Zefir> Excuse me, where can I packages downloaded via Adept? I want to force redownload just in case.
[19:12] <Zefir> *where can I find
[19:12] <myk_robinson> flaccid: bootin up now. On a side note, when i shut down the laptop, i get the same blank screen
[19:12] <alber> hola, alguien que hable español
[19:13] <uga> alber: no =)
[19:13] <uga> alber: #kubuntu-es
[19:13] <uga> alber: ahí te ayudarán mejor
[19:14] <myk_robinson> flaccid: the lspci | grep - i video yields no results
[19:16] <flaccid> myk_robinson: sorry i meant lspci | grep -i vga
[19:16] <myk_robinson> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI-X GeForce Go 6100 (rev a2)
[19:18] <flaccid> so what happens when you press ctrl+alt+f1?
[19:18] <myk_robinson> bright black screen with no writing
[19:19]  * noisekiller got it workin .. with some hands on
[19:19] <myk_robinson> my xorg file is here:   http://pastebin.ca/1016032
[19:21] <flaccid> myk_robinson: and this is when you are logged in to kde? can you get back to the kde tty?
[19:21] <myk_robinson> pressing ctrl+alt+f7 brings me back into kde, but it takes a few seconds for the screen to "correct"
[19:23] <flaccid> hmm, i'd probably recommend submitting a bug
[19:23] <flaccid> does this occur with any vid driver for X ?
[19:24] <myk_robinson> not sure. I can try using nv and see what happens. Is there a certain one i should try?
[19:24] <flaccid> vesa and nv
[19:24] <myk_robinson> just restarted x with the nv driver...
[19:25] <julio_> are yuo there
[19:25] <myk_robinson> now i cant see anything....
[19:25] <flaccid> try vesa
[19:25] <myk_robinson> cant see to switch back to vesa.. I will tyr to reboot into recovery mode
[19:25] <julio_> Hi im new here could you help me please
[19:26] <myk_robinson> whassup, julio?
[19:26] <Zefir> Damn. Where can I find some configuration file for the nvidia driver? Something is seriously not right with it and I can't figure what, but every time I use it = black screen after reboot.
[19:26] <Zefir> And there's ALWAYS a kinit: no resume image before that.
[19:27] <Zefir> This makes me wanna cry. I want my compiz-fusion effects back.
[19:27] <myk_robinson> flaccid: just changed to vesa  from recovery mode, rebooting now
[19:28] <myk_robinson> Zefir: what hardware are you running?
[19:28] <Zefir> Geforce 8800 GTS.
[19:28] <Zefir> Kubuntu 8.04, I know, that's software but w/e.
[19:28] <Zefir> I'm guessing we might be experiencing a similiar problem?
[19:29] <myk_robinson> flaccid: with vesa, i have virtual terminals..
[19:29] <myk_robinson> i may need to check nvidia's website for a more recent driver and perform a manual install
[19:31] <flaccid> myk_robinson: http://www.adamspotton.com/node/1
[19:34] <noisekiller> Do i need compizconfig-settings-manager in 8.04? Cant find settings else...
[19:34] <guilhermeblanco> hey people... my X keeps crashing all the time
[19:34] <guilhermeblanco> this happens most of the times when I receive an instant message in kopete and it displays me on screen
[19:35] <guilhermeblanco> any ideas? I'm using 8.04 with -17 kernel
[19:37] <myk_robinson> flaccid: not sure if that will help, my model is showing to be suported in the current driver, although the problem seems to be isolated to the drvier.... go figure
[19:37] <teezett> Q: is it possible to install a java plugin for firefox in 64bit 8.04?
[19:37] <myk_robinson> with the nv driver, i get no display at all, but with vesa, i get a display and virtual terminal. however, i cannot get the correct resolution
[19:38] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | noisekiller
[19:39] <flaccid> myk_robinson: like you say can't hurt to try direct from nvidia or even beta driver. there are also some bugs in restricted drivers atm that could cause this
[19:39] <flaccid> myk_robinson: try setting resolution in system settings - display
[19:39] <myk_robinson> cool. Thanks, i will try it in a bit. At least i know how to go to recovery mode to fix it if it doesnt work
[19:45] <myk_robinson> flaccid: i found an article at nvnews for a person with the same issue. He was able to resolve it using the 100.14.19 drivers.
[19:46] <myk_robinson> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=105002
[19:46] <flaccid> what version is in the ubuntu repos?
[19:46] <ts_> good evening everbody
[19:47] <myk_robinson> looks like for nvidia-glx-new, it is version 169.12
[19:53] <guilhermeblanco> this happens most of the times when I receive an instant message in kopete and it displays me on screen. I'm on 8.04 with 2.6.24-17 kernel . Any ideas?
[19:55] <Some_Person> I am a KDE/Kubuntu noob, but I just added KDE4 to my ubuntu install to try it
[19:55] <Some_Person> First, where is the menu editor?
[19:55] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: sounds like a problem with knotice
[19:55] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: any ideas how to solve it?
[19:55] <flaccid> Some_Person: there isn't a full menu editor yet
[19:55] <JoshOvki> Some_Person: there isnt one in kde4
[19:55] <flaccid> Some_Person: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[19:55] <Some_Person> Oh, ok
[19:56] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: umm no sorry. could try uninstalling it, and reinstalling
[19:56] <guilhermeblanco> k, thanks
[19:56] <Some_Person> thank you
[19:57] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: do you know the name of the package?
[19:58] <guilhermeblanco> knotice does not exists
[19:58] <paquito> guenas mamonas
[19:58] <paquito> alguien que hable hable castellano coño?
[19:59] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: it might be knotify then
[19:59] <guilhermeblanco> paquito: ud puede entrar en el canal #kubuntu-es
[19:59] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: ive never had to fix any problems with it, so i knw zilch about it
[19:59] <uhriventis> I have 108 processes running is this needed for Kubuntu to run?
[20:00] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: no.. doesn't exist too
[20:01] <myk_robinson> flaccid: installed the 100.14.23 driver, problem sovled!
[20:01] <flaccid> sweet
[20:02] <Zefir> flaccid: you > Jesus
[20:02] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: hmmm, like i said ive never had to fix anything with it, so your back to square 1 sorry
[20:02] <Zefir> This: http://www.adamspotton.com/node/1 link solved everything! My screen is on fire again!
[20:03] <_myrtille_> nabend :)
[20:03] <_myrtille_> wrong channel sry
[20:03] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: I disabled the notes on kopete and konversation... it didn't crash until now
[20:04] <JoshOvki> so basicly anything that pops up to tell you something new has arrive and it dies?
[20:04] <flaccid> haha Zefir
[20:05] <flaccid> i sleep now
[20:05] <guilhermeblanco> yes... any note that pops me, kills my X
[20:05] <JoshOvki> defo knotify then
[20:05] <Zefir> You can't imagine how much ANGER this has caused me, flaccid. And now I have my wobbly, burning windows back. Can't thank you enough...
[20:06] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: Sorry i didn't understand that you wrote me...
[20:06] <scarygary> Evening..
[20:07] <guilhermeblanco> Only K notifications are killing my X... All others don't
[20:07] <flaccid> no worries Zefir
[20:07] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: its definutaly knotify thats causing it then. just how to fix it is the next problem
[20:08] <guilhermeblanco> sure... It does not tell me anything... only restarts X... is there any config that I can do to trace this issue and report to kubuntu team?
[20:09] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: ^
[20:11] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: maby your x error log      /var/log/xorg.0.log
[20:12] <JoshOvki> and if there is one for knotify in there too that
[20:12] <scarygary> I've used kvpnc to set up a pptp connection, but exactly every 24 seconds the connection gets terminated and then reconnects. Any ideas?
[20:14] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: I'll clean my logs and force the issue again... then I'll paste somewhere what log reports me. give me sime minutes, pelase
[20:15] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: sorry im being pretty useless. you should post a bug report
[20:21] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: No log entries for crash... only log entries of restart
[20:22] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: hmmm, thats a pain
[20:23] <guilhermeblanco> It seems I'm using the x of a pre-release update... that may contain bugs...
[20:23] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblancoL in /var/logs   is there anything to do with  knotify?
[20:23] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: 4.0.4?
[20:24] <guilhermeblanco> no... KDE3
[20:24] <guilhermeblanco> in /var/log only has Xorg and kdm that are related
[20:24] <guilhermeblanco> KDE4 is too unstable for me to use
[20:27] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: no error related to knotify in kdm or Xorg
[20:27] <guilhermeblanco> logs
[20:28] <olskolirc> hello.  can someone tell me what is the default font for kubuntu settings?
[20:28] <tzd> olskolirc: I'm pretty sure it's sans serif
[20:28] <slow-motion> hi
[20:29] <olskolirc> thanks tzd
[20:29] <tzd> olskolirc: anytime :)
[20:31] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: ironic that kde4 is too unstable when  part of kde3 is crashing you out ;)
[20:31] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: all the time... =\
[20:32] <guilhermeblanco> I forget that kopete chat start always displays a knotify message
[20:32] <guilhermeblanco> I can't be online on kopete or it'll be crashing when I receive a message
[20:32] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: i could always ask you to reinstall kdelibs but that might cause more problems than its worth
[20:33] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: is there a kdelibs error log?
[20:34] <guilhermeblanco> lemme check
[20:38] <da3mon> Привет! На русском кто-нибудь общается?
[20:38] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: my logs are:
[20:38] <guilhermeblanco> acpid, apache2, apparmor, apt, auth, boot, bootstrap, btmp, cups, daemon, debug, dist-upgrade, dmesg, dpkg, faillog, fontconfig, fsck, installer, kdm, kern, lastlog, lpr, mail, messages, mysql, news, pm-suspent, pycentral, samba, scrollkeeper, syslog, udev, user, vmware, wtmp, wdialconf, Xorg
[20:38] <JoshOvki> nothing relevent
[20:38] <guilhermeblanco> exactly
[20:39] <guilhermeblanco> only kdm and Xorg could tell me something... but none of them give me hints
[20:39] <JoshOvki> guilhermeblanco: you could try posting on the forums, someone might have an idea about how to fix it
[20:39] <guilhermeblanco> JoshOvki: ok... thanks for the tip
[20:45] <KaTet> Hi, I got a question about kMediafactory. There's a problem in version 0.5.2-0. Version 0.5.2-4 has a fix. Who is responsible for updating packets? Is the an email adress?
[20:47] <wubrgamer> hey guys
[20:48] <wubrgamer> about kde4 and kde3, can I install them both and just switch back and forth?
[20:48] <wubrgamer> or is it all or nothing?
[20:48] <wubrgamer> (nothing=gnome or xfce)
[20:48] <wubrgamer> also, which is better for an older machine? kde3 or kde4? i've used gnome these paste two years
[20:49] <KaTet> You can install the packet 'desktop-kde4' or something like this. After restarting the X-server you can switch to kde4 session
[20:50] <Sokoloff> wubrgamer: xfce is better :-D
[20:50] <wubrgamer> KaTet:  will there  be double entries in my menu's and such? how bad might the clutter be?
[20:50] <wubrgamer> Sokoloff:  let's not start a flame war?
[20:50] <uhriventis> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4 or something like that
[20:51] <Sokoloff> for old machines in mean
[20:51] <wubrgamer> Sokoloff:  it's not THAT much better to be honest...
[20:52] <nohelphere> my sound stopped working what should I check first?
[20:52] <jussi01> !sound | nohelphere
[20:52] <nohelphere> it says mixer not found
[20:52] <KaTet> wubrgamer: yes there will be new entries when you switch back to kde3 session. But the kde4 programms has a (kde4) attatched
[20:53] <wubrgamer> KaTet:  kubuntu seems to be keeping this seperate?  what about the .kde folder?
[20:53] <jussi01> wubrgamer: you will have a .kde4 folder
[20:53] <wubrgamer> so kubuntu keeps everything seperate! nice?!
[20:53] <wubrgamer> what about when 8.10 comes out? will kde4 be default?
[20:53] <jussi01> wubrgamer: #kubuntu-kde4 has some good links in the topic :)
[20:54] <frojnd> hello there
[20:54] <nohelphere> my sound card is listed in lspci -v
[20:54] <frojnd> How can I use gmail in kopete?
[20:55] <nohelphere> must be a driver issue as stated
[20:55] <KaTet> Back to my first question. If I want to have a packet updated (kmediafactory in this case). Who can I ask to do this?
[20:55] <jussi01> nohelphere: can you give me the 1 line from lspci?
[20:55] <nohelphere> such as my sound card?
[20:55] <jussi01> KaTet: packages dont get updated in current releases.
[20:55] <nohelphere> it listed like 9 lines
[20:56] <daniftodi> !ro
[20:56] <daniftodi> hello
[20:56] <jussi01> nohelphere: yeah, the 1 about your s/c..
[20:56] <nohelphere> ok
[20:56] <nohelphere> 00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[20:57] <ChaosTheory_> Does anyone know if Konqueror can be configured to use numbered links?
[20:57] <nohelphere> do you see anything wrong there?
[20:57] <KaTet> No, I don't mean a real update. Just a bugfix of the current version.
[20:58] <Zefir> Adept Manager, find the package and reinstall?
[20:58] <daniftodi> i am a sound problem, notebook hp 530, 1 line out, 1 line in, when connecting in line out, sound need play only in line out.
[20:59] <Zefir> That would be K->System->Adept Manager, type package name or part of it (should be somewhere on top, place to do that), right click the package and reinstall.
[20:59] <wubrgamer> how stable is kde4?
[20:59] <wubrgamer> i'll ask in #kubuntu0kde4
[20:59] <aaroncampbell> I seem to have a grub problem: I can't seem to boot without editing the command.  I have to press 'e' to edit, then 'e' again to edit the firs line, then change "root (hd1,0)" to "root (hd0,0)"  'Enter' to save, and 'b' to boot...then it boots fine.  Any idea how I could fix this problem so I don't have to make this change on every reboot?
[20:59] <wubrgamer> l8r
[21:01] <KaTet> Ok, again. I just want to tell the responsible person "Hey, there a bug in kmediafactory 0.5.2-0. Please remove the current packet with the newer version". Is the an emal adress for that reason?
[21:02] <frojnd> al pa vsaj kak shortcut za iz na druzga
[21:02] <frojnd> Guys, I've 2 accs for kmail. Is there a way that I can see both of them or at least some shortcut for switchig beteen them ?
[21:05] <nohelphere> i can't use sudo modprobe snd- since I don't know the pointless drivers name
[21:12] <eagles05> !fsck
[21:15] <rmorse__> ??
[21:15] <rmorse__> what is this all about?
[21:16] <BonesolTeraDyne> What do you mean?
[21:16] <SlimeyPete> this is a support channel for kubuntu.
[21:16] <rmorse__> thanks
[21:16] <JackWinter> how do you change away from a fullscreen window ?
[21:17] <JackWinter> or rather how do i change away to another desktop ?
[21:17] <nohelphere> ill be BACK
[21:18] <tzd> JackWinter: i think it's ctrl + Functionkey
[21:19] <Zefir> Ctrl-alt-mousedrag if you have desktop cube enabled.
[21:19] <Zefir> Or ctrl-alt-left/right
[21:22] <Sallin> !mysql
[21:26] <jussi01> how does one format a memory stick?
[21:28] <jdavies> !format | jussi01
[21:28] <jdavies> jussi01: personally I use qtparted and wipe it clean
[21:29] <jussi01> jdavies: k, thanks
[21:29] <jussi01> what fs should a memory stick be?
[21:29] <coggz> need assistance with itunes? does anyone use it under wine? how? does the store work?
[21:29] <jdavies> jussi01: preferable fat32 - if you want to be able to view it from windows
[21:29] <jussi01> coggz: it doesnt
[21:30] <jussi01> !appdb | coggz
[21:30] <coggz> apparently it does, but i need to know about the store
[21:32] <jussi01> coggz: yes it works, but the store doesnt
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> coggz: no, no it does not.
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> besides, wouldn't it be better to use something not so horribly encumbered?
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> just saying...
[21:33] <coggz> yes, but i was given a 30quid voucher
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, i see
[21:33] <coggz> how can i use it?
[21:36] <KomiaPoika> i get segfault when trying to run google-earth on kubuntu 8.04 kde4, anyone got any further?
[21:36] <coggz> what about virtual box
[21:37] <nohelphere> i want to restart ksound stuff
[21:38] <jdavies> KomiaPoika: did you install the libstd++ library?
[21:38] <nohelphere> done
[21:39] <jdavies> KomiaPoika: as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth ?
[21:40] <dwidmann_laptop> kwin is using 100% CPU :(
[21:40] <nohelphere> be back soon
[21:42] <ixnayonthehombre> When i try to open a program or file it tells me that there are no mime types installed and it says there are is a malformed url
[21:42] <robert__> m
[21:43] <PhilRod> ixnayonthehombre: run "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" and try again
[21:43] <PhilRod> but first, are you running kde 3 or 4?
[21:43] <ixnayonthehombre> i dont know which version i'm running... i just updated to gutsy
[21:44] <ixnayonthehombre> but what you just told me seemed to work.... when i open things it doesnt tell me malformed url or that mime types arent installed
[21:46] <PhilRod> ixnayonthehombre: cool
[21:46] <PhilRod> btw, if you don't know what version you're running, it's almost certainly kde 3
[21:47] <PhilRod> although kubuntu gutsy comes with either kde 3 or kde 4. Actually, you can probably have both installed at the same time
[21:47] <ixnayonthehombre> o i didnt know that
[21:48] <tzd> ixnayonthehombre: right click bottom panel, choose "help" and then "about KDE"
[21:48] <ixnayonthehombre> but this happened to me last night for some reason and when i restarted kdm (ctrl+alt+backspace) it took me to a completely black text prompt and kdm never started
[21:48] <ixnayonthehombre> its 3.5.6
[21:49] <PhilRod> surely not
[21:49] <jdavies> !info kdebase gutsy
[21:49] <ixnayonthehombre> surely not what?
[21:50] <PhilRod> well I never. I'd have thought it was 3.5.9 (the latest in the 3.5 series)
[21:50]  * PhilRod is just demonstrating his ignorance of kubuntu
[21:50] <tzd> he's on gutsy and probably haven't updated?
[21:50] <bascule> version upgrades never happen between releases
[21:50] <ixnayonthehombre> lol dont worry you know more bout kubuntu than me (i'm still learning linux)
[21:50] <jdavies> !info kdebase gutsy-backports
[21:50] <jdavies> aha^
[21:51] <bascule> says hardy
[21:51] <PhilRod> oh duh, I was getting confused and thinking gutsy was the new release
[21:51] <PhilRod> it all makes sense now
[21:51] <tzd> ^^
[21:51] <bascule> I am on gutsy here with backports and updated to 3.5.8
[21:51] <ixnayonthehombre> ok i just opened adept and it told me "could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
[21:52] <bascule> so I was wrong earler when I said no version changes
[21:52] <PhilRod> ixnayonthehombre: do you have a file ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application/octet-stream.desktop ?
[21:52] <jdavies> bascule: no version changes in the release, however we can make changes to -backports
[21:53] <bascule> ok, I wondered, backports is a mild mystery to me still
[21:53] <jdavies> bascule: we basically take new versions of packags from the unstable release and backport them to the stable
[21:53] <ixnayonthehombre> PhilRod: i dont know... like i said i just updated and it installed files and deleted files lol
[21:54] <bascule> you 'backport' newer versions :)
[21:54] <bascule> makes sense
[21:54] <PhilRod> ixnayonthehombre: take a look then :-). Use a konsole, or konqueror as you prefer
[21:54] <jdavies> !backports
[21:54] <jdavies> bascule: there you go^
[21:54] <bascule> thanks, I was kind of aware, but I might as well get clarity :)
[21:56] <ixnayonthehombre> PhilRod: it says that it doesnt exist
[21:57] <PhilRod> ixnayonthehombre: hrm, that was my only idea for what the problem could be. You could try restarting kde, I guess. If no one else here has any ideas, you could try asking in #kde
[21:58] <ixnayonthehombre> ok thx
[21:58] <JackWinter> tzd: that is nice ;)
[21:59] <tzd> JackWinter: what's nice? I forgot what we were talking about :)
[22:02] <JackWinter> ctrl-Fkey : to switch desktops  even with FS windows.  easier than mouse scroll wheel to o;)
[22:04] <ixnayonthehombre> no one in #kde wants to help lol
[22:08] <tzd> JackWinter: ah yeah ;)
[22:08] <tzd> no im off, nn
[22:17] <venik> can someone help me install a USB printer in Kubuntu 8.04?  The systems sees the printer, but for some reason the Local Printer option is greyed out
[22:23] <athlon1> Hallo
[22:24] <athlon1> I've some partitions with ntfs. The first time i access them, i'm asked to insert a password. How can I disable the request of the password?
[22:25] <athlon1> anyone here?
[22:25] <goshawk> athlon1: look at /etc/fstab
[22:26] <goshawk> athlon1: if you set your ntfs partition there
[22:26] <athlon1> there's nothing in /etc/fstab. They are mounted when I access them, but I'm asked for a password....
[22:27] <goshawk> it can be mounted when the system boots.... so with no password
[22:27] <ScorpKing> !ntfs
[22:28] <lonran> what twitter client do u use?
[22:30] <_sourcemaker> is there a way to update hardy without internet connection... like a offline update?
[22:30] <athlon1> Thanks, i'm reading the web page. I'll try.
[22:30] <_Angelus_> hmm
[22:30] <_Angelus_> did kubuntu change to i686?
[22:33] <ScorpKing> _Angelus_: i've also noticed that. looks like it's the same as i386. not sure
[22:34] <_Angelus_> it got faster, and my hardware monitor widget is showing  that the kernel is i686..
[22:36] <bipolar> Does anyone know how to get LDAP users to show in KDM's user browser? I've got the UID limits set right, and they do show in the list in the kdm control panel.
[22:37] <robersonfox> How can I do to recover a file that was deleted? (FS --> reiserfs)
[22:37] <ScorpKing-Laptop> i'm busy remastering the lovecd. i installed hal and thoggen but i get "Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory" and some other errors. is there a way to get those packages to configure?
[22:37] <ScorpKing> livecd*
[22:39] <ScorpKing> robersonfox: i undeleted some stuff on ext3. you'll have to google. it's not easy and as far as i know reiserfs can be undeleted as well.
[22:39] <robersonfox> humm
[22:40] <robersonfox> ok
[22:43] <bascule> !undelete
[22:46] <ScorpKing-Laptop> why can't i copy this file? srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2008-05-12 22:05 /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
[22:46] <bascule> cause it is a socket
[22:47] <bascule> a special file, like a /dev/ entry in some sense
[22:47] <ScorpKing-Laptop> bascule: can i create it?
[22:47] <bascule> you can symlink to it
[22:47] <bascule> why do you want to?
[22:47] <ScorpKing-Laptop> i'm busy remastering the livecd. i installed hal and thoggen but i get "Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory" and some other errors. is there a way to get those packages to configure?
[22:47] <ScorpKing-Laptop> that's in chroot
[22:48] <bascule> I messed with hald for ever once, I think it needs to be owned by ..
[22:48] <bascule> hang on
[22:49] <bascule> messagebus
[22:49] <ScorpKing-Laptop> srwxrwxrwx 1 root root is from the install. it's not in the chroot
[22:50] <ScorpKing-Laptop> on this box i mean
[22:50] <bascule> yeah, same on mine
[22:50]  * ScorpKing-Laptop tries to symlink it..
[22:51] <bascule> the thing is it is created per boot I think, it is a virtual file, not a real one
[22:51] <bascule> they are strange entities
[22:51] <ScorpKing-Laptop> hmm.. symlink doesn't work
[22:53] <ScorpKing-Laptop> hmm.. now i get "Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused"
[22:53] <bascule>  /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ and /etc/dbus-1/session.conf are where it gets its config
[22:53] <bascule> and hald.conf
[22:53] <ScorpKing-Laptop> any way to run it in chroot so it's created?
[22:54] <bascule> dbus-daemon --nofork --system
[22:54] <ScorpKing-Laptop> haha - "Failed to start message bus: Failed to bind socket "/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket": Address already in use"
[22:55] <bascule> heh, after saying it doesn't exist :)
[22:55] <ScorpKing-Laptop> ah wait
[22:56] <venik> why is the Local Printer option grayed out in the Printer Section of the System Settings?
[22:56] <ubuntu_> hola
[22:56] <ScorpKing-Laptop> now it's doing something but it doesn't show what and it's not getting back to the prompt
[22:56] <bascule> yeah nofork makes it hang like that, it gives feedback that way
[22:56] <bascule> run it withount --nofork
[22:56] <ScorpKing-Laptop> venik: maybe you are not in administarator mode or there's no printer
[22:57] <ScorpKing-Laptop> oh ok
[22:57] <venik> when I disconnect the printer and reconnect it (it is a USB printer), I see an icon that tells me that the Canon BJC3000 is ready for printing
[22:57] <venik> so it sees the printer and identifies it
[22:58] <ScorpKing-Laptop> bascule: awesome! it worked.  :D
[22:59] <bascule> I spent ages on that thing 2 years ago, got it eventually working, just happened to be here :)
[22:59] <venik> also, lsusb lists the printer
[22:59] <venik> correctly
[22:59] <ScorpKing-Laptop> bascule: i've been at it since saturday. thanks :)
[22:59] <bascule> np
[22:59]  * ScorpKing-Laptop goes back to converting his livecd to a lovelycd..
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> lovelycd?
[23:00] <ScorpKing-Laptop> bascule: you don't perhaps know what package creates the ~/Documens ~/Music and so on folders?
[23:00] <venik> when I try to print, the job listing says: processing for ever
[23:01] <bascule> ScorpKing-Laptop: it should be in /etc/skel/
[23:01] <bascule> ls -a
[23:01] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Daisuke_Ido: yeah i'm remastering the livecd
[23:01] <Daisuke_Ido> nice
[23:01] <bascule> maybe not there though, but that is the contente it drops in users homes after you mkae them
[23:01] <ScorpKing-Laptop> bascule: it's not there by default but i've aded the folders and .directory files there anyway
[23:02] <bascule> ok
[23:02] <dwidmann_laptop> I wonder what Console-kit-daemon is and why it feels the need to use 180MB of RAM
[23:02] <bascule> ??
[23:02] <ScorpKing-Laptop> all the other settings is in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ btw
[23:03] <bascule> ok
[23:03] <bascule> thanks
[23:03] <ScorpKing-Laptop> yw :)
[23:06] <bascule> dwidmann_laptop: well it is a add on for the messagebus to show what keyboard and mouse users have .. apparently, but it shouldn't be at 180MB ram
[23:06] <bascule> I have a lot of them according to htop
[23:07] <dwidmann_laptop> bascule: I didn't think so.
[23:07] <dwidmann_laptop> come to think of it, Xorg is using 160M itself
[23:07] <bascule> that is od as well, how much ram do you have?
[23:07] <dwidmann_laptop> lots.
[23:07] <lonran> what twitter client do you use?
[23:08] <ScorpKing> dwidmann_laptop: are you running superkaramba or something like that?
[23:08] <dwidmann_laptop> it's not like I'm afraid of memory usage, I'm just really curious as to why it's using that much. No, no superkaramba
[23:08] <ScorpKing> hmm.. weird
[23:08] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: it was just a regular KDE3 session when I noticed the insane console-kit... mem usage, but  I'm logged into KDE4 atm
[23:09] <bascule> well I am showing 114M resident for X and 83KB for console-kit-daemon
[23:10] <bascule> 836KB actually sorry
[23:10] <CrashMaster> Evening everyone
[23:10] <dwidmann_laptop> same difference, anything under 1MB is super-tiny
[23:10] <CrashMaster> !kdmfix
[23:10] <CrashMaster> !kdm-fix
[23:10] <CrashMaster> !login
[23:10] <CrashMaster> gr
[23:11] <dwidmann_laptop> !experiment | CrashMaster
[23:11] <CrashMaster> lol
[23:11] <bascule> !msgthebot | CrashMaster
[23:11] <bascule> sorry :D
[23:11] <CrashMaster> No worries, thats actually a good tip.
[23:11] <bascule> yeah it responds in pm no bother
[23:12] <CrashMaster> is there a command to make KDE handle logins rather than  console?
[23:12] <dwidmann_laptop> I thought it was experiment at one point ... maybe it was and ubottu doesn't have that alias for it anymore :s who knows
[23:12] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: are you not using kdm?
[23:12] <bascule> CrashMaster: not sure I understand the question, KDM is a gui login manager
[23:12] <CrashMaster> Both of you
[23:12] <KomiaPoika> jdavies: yes, i installed it, but i have amd64, and it segfaults
[23:13] <CrashMaster> Both of you: Well, after I dropped from KDE4 back to KDE3, the machine started making me login at a console, not the  gui
[23:13] <CrashMaster> and its throwing weird bluetooth errors, but I'll investigate those when Im sober
[23:13] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: sudo apt-get install kdm && sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[23:16] <ScorpKing> is there a place to add scripts that's only supposed to run once or should i add it to startup and have it delete itself?
[23:17] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: you could set it to run once using "at"
[23:17] <ScorpKing> dwidmann_laptop: i'm building a livecd. how would i do it there?
[23:18] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: hmmmm
[23:18] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: what does this script do?
[23:18] <ScorpKing> hehe.. i need to run vnstat -u -i ppp0 only once
[23:19] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: once every boot or once, ever?
[23:19] <ScorpKing> once ever
[23:19] <dwidmann_laptop> well, if it's a cd, how do you propose this script delete itself?>
[23:19] <ScorpKing> no. after the install
[23:21] <ScorpKing> dwidmann_laptop: after the system is installed i need to tell vnstat to track bandwidth for ppp0 only once
[23:21] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm not entirely familiar with how the live installer does things, but I guess having that command run once and then delete itself would probably be the path of last resistance
[23:21] <ScorpKing> the easiest even
[23:21] <dwidmann_laptop> *least
[23:22] <CrashMaster> Well
[23:22] <CrashMaster> That helped and hurt :)
[23:23] <CrashMaster> KDM is the login screen now, but it keeps throwing errors about interprocess communcations. And then throwing me out.
[23:23] <CrashMaster> So.
[23:23] <CrashMaster> I think I shall totally purge KDE and reinstall it.
[23:23] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: well, I guess you'll have to deal with the problem head on now then.
[23:23] <CrashMaster> NUKE N PAVE BABY!
[23:23] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: rather than purging, you could just reinstall all of the packages first and see if that helps
[23:23] <bascule> dcop problem
[23:24] <bascule> old crap in /tmp
[23:24] <CrashMaster> bascule: thats exactly correct.
[23:24] <bascule> maybe, /tmp/kde blah
[23:24] <CrashMaster> but it was in /home/crash/.somefileoranother
[23:24] <bascule> yeah, they tie together
[23:25] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: maybe a command like "sudo apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3| tr '\n' ' '`" = reinstall all ...............  and yeah, a couple temp related folders in ~/.kde link to /tmp/......
[23:25] <CrashMaster> Or... nuke and pave!
[23:26] <bascule> you could try a rm -rf /tmp/kde-$USER ant /tmp/ksocket-$USER
[23:26] <CrashMaster> This install is about 10 kinds of fubar with my various experimentations. I think it might be time to blow it away, reinstall it, and then apply my learnings.
[23:26] <CrashMaster> Then I can take an image of the drive and do it all over again!
[23:26] <CrashMaster> Yay1
[23:26] <CrashMaster> I shall return!!
[23:27] <CrashMaster> (eventually)
[23:27] <bascule> and ~/.DCOPserver_
[23:27] <bascule> ok
[23:27] <bascule> I;ll stop now :)
[23:27] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: have fun pushing the red button.
[23:27] <CrashMaster> I love the red button.
[23:27] <bascule> .ICEauthority .Xsession ...
[23:27] <CrashMaster> Will need  to find that install CD tho.. Dont feel like downloading the iso all over again
[23:29] <Maracayera> hola a todos
[23:30] <CrashMaster> !es
[23:33] <CrashMaster> ok, so I'll re-download then
[23:33] <bascule> ouch!
[23:34]  * bascule would persevere
[23:34] <CrashMaster> nah
[23:34] <CrashMaster> only a couple gigs
[23:34] <CrashMaster> and its pulling  at 500k/s
[23:34] <dwidmann_laptop> lucky.
[23:34] <ScorpKing> nice :)
[23:34] <ScorpKing> i'm at 2.5KB/s on my laptop now
[23:34] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm just lucky I'm organized enough not to lose those sorts of things :)
[23:35] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: that sounds painful
[23:35] <ScorpKing> dwidmann_laptop: very
[23:35] <CrashMaster> dwidmann_laptop: its not lost. Just... unusable
[23:35] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: I'd rather let my wallet be raped by low quality sub-broadband service providers than suffer that
[23:36] <dwidmann_laptop> Though I must admit it has improved a bit as of late
[23:36] <crimsun> careful, your wishes are being accounted for.
[23:36] <CrashMaster> Well, bear in mind im torrenting the DVD, not pulling from the archive server
[23:37] <ScorpKing> dwidmann_laptop: haha.. i'm using my phone as a modem so if i'm very lucky i get 5KB/s.
[23:37] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: and on the bad days it could probably sink as low as 1000B/s
[23:37] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: I was on that for a long long time.
[23:38] <ScorpKing> hehe.. true
[23:38] <dwidmann_laptop> ScorpKing: I've also downloaded several ISOs on that connection
[23:38] <CrashMaster> on dialup?
[23:38] <ScorpKing> same here
[23:38] <CrashMaster> *shudder*
[23:38]  * ScorpKing heads over to #kubuntu-offtopic..
[23:38] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster: 'twas my first taste of linux. Even though it was horrible I would do it again if I had to ..
[23:38]  * dwidmann_laptop joins ScorpKing in ot
[23:48] <calitos> hi
[23:49] <calitos> i have a question?
[23:49] <calitos> how can i enable my 3d desktop
[23:49] <wpk> install kde4
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> why can't you block or ignore anyone using kopete?
[23:53] <bascule> cause it isn't an IRC client really
[23:53] <o0Chris0o> lol
[23:53] <bascule> !compiz | calitos
[23:53] <o0Chris0o> not using it for irc
[23:53] <bascule> ok
[23:56] <bascule> never tried to ignore anyone, just delte them, the refuse them when they try to message you?


[00:03] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, I think we have some overlap in the use of the ContentCleanup and StyleCleanup tags.
[00:03] <Rocket2DMn> I think "Pages with confusing or inadequate structure. " and "Pages which are 'over-structured' (i.e. too many short sections) " belong under StyleCleanup
[00:03] <Rocket2DMn> actually the latter is already stated in different words under StyleCleanup
[00:04] <Rocket2DMn> and we should add to ContentCleanup, something like "Pages with material that is not up-to-date or valid with the latest Ubuntu release"
[00:05] <Rocket2DMn> not that it is unsupported, but just doesn't apply to the latest version (a bit confusing to explain clearly)
[00:12] <lukjad007> Rocket2DMn So, the cleanup tags need a cleanup?
[00:13] <Rocket2DMn> lukjad007, yup :)
[00:13] <lukjad007> Haha!
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> the tag has been getting used as i explained, it's just not worded so on the page
[03:05] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Hi
[03:12] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: hi how are you?
[03:17] <Rocket2DMn> good evening dhillon-v10
[03:17] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: how are you
[03:17] <Rocket2DMn> doin well thanks, and you?
[03:18] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: not bad actually
[03:18] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I have a question, as usual :)
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> lol, ok
[03:20] <starcraftman> lo' dhillon-v10, sorry was out a bit, lo to you too Rocket2DMn
[03:20] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Alright so I was looking in my system guide (the one that came installed on my system) and in the programming section, I found that one of the links that was apt:gambas wasn't working there was a dialogue box saying package not found and when I do that in synaptic it works, is that a possible bug
[03:20] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: how are you
[03:21] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, yes, that is a bug.  However, recent discussion on the mailing list and a bug report opened by Phil Bull tells us that we are probably going to remove the programming section from the system docs
[03:21] <Rocket2DMn> it looks like that gambas package only exists in the Dapper repositories
[03:22] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: It isn't the only package and can you tell me why are we removing the programming section
[03:22] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: had better days, was just offline for an hour and a bit after a problem during update. Fixed up, now back to well wiki work. :)
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, you can report that as a bug and they system docs devs will figure out how to proceed
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, first things first - given that the programming section is still there, i would report any problems you find with it
[03:22] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: correction, day was fine, was just the after supper that annoyed me.
[03:23] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Alright if you say so
[03:23] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: LOL
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, as per your question about why it's being removed, I think the consensus was that it isnt material appropriate for normal desktop systems
[03:24] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: ah smart
[03:25] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, i think it is a good call
[03:27] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/414287  done
[03:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414287 in ubuntu-docs "links broken in help and support section" [Undecided,New]
[03:28] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: who is ubot4
[03:31] <dhillon-v10> j1mc: how are you?
[03:32] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, that is a bot
[03:33] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: okay
[03:33] <Rocket2DMn> lol, not a very detailed bug report dhillon-v10 , but it will do
[03:33] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I want to know more about solving bugs that I get in my mail
[03:34] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I seem to be helpless for other people who need me
[03:34] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix I read that but not helping
[03:34] <Rocket2DMn> what bugs do you get in your mail?
[03:35] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Mostly regarding sound and kernel problems
[03:35] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I know programming but in this case I can't do anything
[03:36] <Rocket2DMn> fixing bugs like that is complicated, you need to work upstream with the linux kernel developers and audio/soundserver developers (like PulseAudio)
[03:36] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Please elaborate
[03:37] <Rocket2DMn> I don't have most of those answers dhillon-v10 , i dont develop for them
[03:37] <Rocket2DMn> you would need to talk to the kernel team and audio team folks
[03:37] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: should I try google to look for them
[03:41] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, yeah, they should have pages on wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:41] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: sorry i gotta go, talk to you later and thanks
[03:50] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: I'm not a bot. :)
[03:51] <j1mc> I work on Xubuntu docs
[03:51] <j1mc> Jim C.  :)
[03:57] <starcraftman> lo' there j1mc, kinda quiet night, guess rocket's busy. Though last time I said his name he magically appeared....
[03:57]  * starcraftman braces self for surprise.
[03:57] <j1mc> :)
[03:58] <starcraftman> I guess it only works once a day.
[03:58] <j1mc> mebbe
[03:58] <j1mc> i just think it's funny that he thinks i'm a bot
[03:58] <Rocket2DMn> lol j1mc , he asked about ubot4 , i'm the only other bot here
[03:59] <Rocket2DMn> lol starcraftman , i havent failed you yet today :)
[03:59] <starcraftman> YES! I got the touch :)
[03:59] <Rocket2DMn> twice before i logged into irc on cue :)
[03:59] <j1mc> :)
[03:59] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: i see now... that's funny.
[04:00] <Rocket2DMn> what an awesome bug - bug 414287
[04:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414287 in ubuntu-docs "links broken in help and support section" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414287
[23:30] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Hi, how are you