[08:39] <_nemesis> and how to tell what version of x managers are current?
[08:39] <_spiritz> is there someone here that can dare saying he has no *illegal* mp3/ogg files around?
[08:40] <suspect> hey how do i install .deb files?
[08:40] <suspect> whats the command
[08:40] <suspect> i forgot
[08:40] <justanotheruser> suspect: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[08:40] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke*
[08:40] <mornfall> err
[08:41] <suspect> it didnt work
[08:41] <justanotheruser> _spiritz: there is a difference in what i do and what i think i shouldn't advertise. But that's only me....
[08:41] <suspect> just many many errors
[08:42] <suspect> in the desktop the file is called lmms_0.1.4-1_i386.deb
[08:42] <_spiritz> justanotheruser: true but I don't think that channel is not that much of a top secret one
[08:42] <suspect> so can someone show me the exact command?????
[08:43] <Excaliber> so
[08:43] <suspect> so uhmm whats the command?
[08:44] <justanotheruser> suspect: cd ~/Desktop [enter]   sudo dpkg -i lmms_0.1.4-1_i386.deb
[08:45] <suspect> same errors
[08:45] <suspect> didn't work
[08:45] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install -f
[08:46] <jpatrick> I'm off
[08:46] <suspect> k
[08:46] <suspect> l8tr
[08:48] <psychiccyberfrea> I need help installing on my friend's laptop
[08:49] <psychiccyberfrea> hello?
[08:49] <HymnToLife> !tell psychiccyberfrea about hello
[08:49] <psychiccyberfrea> ???
[08:50] <HymnToLife> I was basically just fooling around
[08:50] <HymnToLife> you have any question ?
[08:50] <psychiccyberfrea> ok I need help installing kubuntu on my friend's laptop
[08:50] <Nomad411> !h264
[08:50] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[08:50] <_nemesis> how do i tell what kde version i am running?
[08:50] <HymnToLife> what's the problem ?
[08:50] <Nomad411> !h.264
[08:50] <ubotu> Nomad411: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:51] <HymnToLife> _nemesis> Help > About KDE on basically whichever KDE app if I remmeber well
[08:51] <_nemesis> thanx :-)
[08:51] <psychiccyberfrea> I install it w/o it being hooked up to a netsork because it just dosn't seem to be able to work with the ethernet card, so now I get error messages about there being no installable kernel in apt and stuff
[08:52] <HymnToLife> funny
[08:52] <naibed> Hello
[08:52] <psychiccyberfrea> I mean a network
[08:52] <HymnToLife> do you choose "do not configure the network at this time" during install ?
[08:52] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah
[08:53] <HymnToLife> it just shouldn't tell you that
[08:54] <HymnToLife> all the packages needed to install are on the CD
[08:54] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah lemmie try installing it quick
[08:54] <psychiccyberfrea> Ok the CD boots and I press enter
[08:54] <Yokalosh> guys, i am having some problems since i installed kubuntu, i started off with just a server type version of dapper and everything went ok, i then had gdm and gnome all running fine so i wanted to test kubuntu, so i uninstalled all of that, now on the latest kernel it hangs at 'uncompressing linux kernel', so i tested the one before that and it hangs at a kubuntu screen and then finally i tested it with the oldest kernel i have
[08:54] <psychiccyberfrea> now it is booting
[08:55] <psychiccyberfrea> set the defaults and regions...
[08:56] <psychiccyberfrea> it says network autoconfig failed
[08:56] <HymnToLife> hmm sorry, gotta go
[08:56] <HymnToLife> yeah
[08:56] <HymnToLife> choose "do not configure the network"
[08:56] <psychiccyberfrea> so I hit do not config now
[08:56] <psychiccyberfrea> hostname is ryanslappy
[08:56] <HymnToLife> and afterwards, do you do anything unusual during install
[08:56] <psychiccyberfrea> idk...
[08:56] <HymnToLife> or maybe your CD is bad
[08:57] <HymnToLife> have you tried with another one ?
[08:57] <psychiccyberfrea> no I got them from shipit
[08:57] <HymnToLife> *well
[08:57] <HymnToLife> shipit CDs _can_ be bad too
[08:57] <psychiccyberfrea> ok lemmie try that
[08:57] <HymnToLife> gota go now, see ya
[09:00] <psychiccyberfrea> when's dapper drake supposed to be relesed again?
[09:01] <naibed> when it's ready
[09:01] <psychiccyberfrea> oh
[09:01] <psychiccyberfrea> just makin sure
[09:01] <naibed> I'm using it already for about 2 months and works pretty well
[09:02] <henryk_> anyone can tell me how can i change breeze to dapper, without reinstalation?
[09:03] <psychiccyberfrea> I wish I could get my m4p music to work on my linux box. Anyone know any good programs for that type thing
[09:03] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[09:03] <naibed> henryk_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change any breezy to dapper, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:03] <naibed> henryk_, oh, and hello ..
[09:03] <psychiccyberfrea> henryk_ try adding the dapper repositories, then  mark all upgrades
[09:04] <psychiccyberfrea> and remove the breezy repositories
[09:04] <henryk_> naibed, thank you and hi
[09:04] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah thout sounds right
[09:05] <psychiccyberfrea> does that sound right?
[09:09] <psychiccyberfrea> ok I need help
[09:09] <psychiccyberfrea> when I try to install the base system, it says that it was unable to install the selected kernal
[09:12] <henryk_> ok, looks like it work. man i hope this wasn't stupid enough to get on bash.org
[09:13] <psychiccyberfrea> I need help again
[09:14] <psychiccyberfrea> It asks me what kernel to install
[09:22] <eyeburn> Can I ask a brife question?
[09:23] <jpatrick> yes
[09:23] <SkrotFFS> Ofcourse
[09:25] <eyeburn> I'm now runking my kubuntu on ha 386 kernel, but I have a P(IV) 2.8GHz Hypertread prossesor. Sould I use the one with or without SMP at the end of the to 686 kernerls?
[09:26] <admrl> quanta plus, nvu, scream are there any more html/css or whatever else web software out atm
[09:26] <eyeburn> runing*
[09:26] <admrl> that are good
[09:30] <eyeburn> does anyone know?
[09:31] <jpatrick> your choice
[09:33] <eyeburn> okey, I well not crash my linux if I chouse wrong?
[09:34] <paran> eyeburn: both will work. the smp kernel will use hyperthreading, the other one will not
[09:36] <paran> eyeburn: or you can install both. they will all show up in the boot loader next reboot
[09:37] <NRG88> hiasll, what do i have to write in the fstab, if i want to automount for example ext2 partition hdb1 to /media/D ?
[09:38] <NRG88> hm
[09:38] <NRG88> darn xchat
[09:38] <NRG88> sorry hiasll, only wanted to write hi
[09:38] <kamme> hi, I have a problem with amarok, whenever I try to play an .mp3 it just immediatly tells me the playlist is done... what can I do about it?
[09:38] <klugez> !mp3
[09:38] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[09:38] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:38] <eyeburn> paran: thank you =)
[09:40] <kamme> klugez: package not available...
[09:40] <klugez> which package?
[09:40] <kamme> libxine-extracodecs
[09:40] <kamme> In 6.06, amarok needs libxine-extracodecs for mp3 support.
[09:41] <klugez> Section: multiverse/libs
[09:41] <klugez> have you multiverse enabled?
[09:41] <klugez> that's where i've installed libxine-extracodecs from
[09:41] <kamme> yes
[09:41] <kamme> unless I fooled around
[09:42] <paran> NRG88: "/dev/hdb1 /media/D ext2 defaults 0 2" (but you should consider using ext3 instead of good old ext2)
[09:42] <klugez> Nouda:1 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse libxine-extracodecs 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 [1029kB]
[09:42] <kamme> hmm, I only have universe....
[09:42] <NRG88> paran, it is for an old machine
[09:42] <klugez> it seems to be still there
[09:43] <paran> NRG88: ext3 works fine on older machines as well
[09:43] <NRG88> i know performance...
[09:43] <NRG88> i know, it's not much...
[09:43] <NRG88> but it is something
[09:44] <kamme> klugez: thanks, I enabled multiverse again and now it's downloading :)
[09:44] <klugez> kamme: no problem
[09:45] <_ubuntu> kbuntu rocks!
[09:45] <kamme> aha, mp3 sound :)
[09:45] <kamme> thanks again!
[09:46] <_ubuntu> think suse is about to get kicked from my box :)
[09:46] <Dasnipa`> UROZZZZ
[09:46] <uros> hi all - i have somehow lost the "location" toolbar in konqueror - it is on, but i see no icons or fields - actually nothing - in it...
[09:48] <uros> last thing i was doing with it was adjusting some settings to which i got by rightclicking on the toolbar - since it is no longer there, i cannot reverse it. any clues n1?
[09:49] <lakiboobs> guys... what's the equivalent command for tracert in kubuntu
[09:49] <lakiboobs> ?
[09:49] <_spiritz> traceroute
[09:51] <lakiboobs> it says : traceroute command not found
[09:51] <lakiboobs> y?
[09:51] <Dasnipa`> apt-get install traceroute
[09:51] <lakiboobs> ok
[09:51] <Dasnipa`> + sudo
[09:51] <lakiboobs> thanks
[09:53] <eyeburn> Is there some diferece between this two? Linux kernel headers 2.6.12 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV *  /   Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.  I did chouse the one with * was that wrong?
[09:54] <pax> how many packages are installed by kubuntu, default?
[09:54] <OdyX> pax: why that question ?
[09:55] <uros> last try - figured out what i did - right click on toolbar and changed "orientation" to "flat". the toolbar disappeared. i have no idea now how to get it back, since i can not get back into this "toolbar menu" . help please ;)
[09:55] <pax> OdyX: abviously because I want to know.
[09:55] <OdyX> pax: OK...
[09:55] <paulvolk> Hello
[09:55] <Dasnipa`> boo konq
[09:56] <paran> eyeburn: just install the package that is named "linux-image-686" or "linux-image-686-smp".
[09:56] <paulvolk> does anyone here know of a good voice regognition program for Kubuntu that I could download?
[09:56] <OdyX> pax: actually, on mine, 1446 installed, 18671 available.
[09:56] <eyeburn> paran: thanks
[09:56] <pax> OdyX: that's from a fresh install, no additions?
[09:56] <OdyX> pax: largly added... but not so much... :D
[09:57] <OdyX> pax: really, I don't know...
[09:57] <OdyX> it's lower than that.
[09:57] <leagris> hello
[09:58] <pax> OdyX: great, thanks. Over the years it seems like all distros are growing hungry for space :-)
[09:58] <OdyX> pax: number of packages is non-significant
[09:58] <paulvolk> does anyone here know of a good voice regognition program for Kubuntu that I could download?
[09:59] <pax> to some point, correct. however, it is a good indicator of size suggested/required.
[09:59] <paulvolk> recognition*
[09:59] <pax> apt-cache search is no good?
[09:59] <OdyX> pax:  heard 500 MiB for ubuntu-server was reasonnable
[10:00] <pax> well yeah, no doubt.
[10:00] <m_tadeu> good night everyone
[10:00] <m_tadeu> i'm having a lot of trouble connecting through a pcmcia card
[10:00] <leagris> can someone help sort out with unmet broken kde depencies with latest Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 update ?
[10:01] <m_tadeu> kppp reports the modem is busy
[10:01] <m_tadeu> can anyone help?
[10:02] <NoUse> leagris have you tried running 'apt-get -f install' ?
[10:03] <leagris> yes
[10:04] <NoUse> what dep is broken?
[10:04] <leagris> It was installed from DVD then upgraded. It worked ok this morning. Then tonight upgrade brought brocken dependencies on all kde related packages
[10:05] <NoUse> you installed from the Dapper DVD or the Breezy DVD?
[10:05] <vge> i hate when everything i need works, somebody can help me to break something? :(
[10:05] <leagris> I tryed changing repository archive.ubuntu fr.archive and local ISP mirror no luck. Installed from Dapper DVD
[10:06] <NoUse> leagris run this: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6666 -O /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:06] <NoUse> oops, forget the single quote at the end
[10:07] <leagris> Ill try this sources.list and tell you NoUse thanks
[10:07] <NoUse> leagris after than runs try an apt-get update upgrade
[10:10] <m_tadeu> anyone?...i'm unable to run wvdial on a pcmcia modem...can anyone help, plz?
[10:13] <NoUse> m_tadeu you might try asking in #ubuntu, as long as it isnt a KDE specific question
[10:13] <leagris> NoUse, didn't help see here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/672040
[10:14] <NoUse> leagris does apt-get update run without a problem?
[10:14] <m_tadeu> NoUse, thanx...already am, but its quite complicated since there are a lot of questions at the same time :S
[10:15] <leagris> no errors from apt-get update NoUse
[10:15] <nemesis> need help with shoutcast feed- my sound is working - amorok is playing but no sound?
[10:15] <paulvolk> Is it worth upgrading now to Kubuntu 6.06?
[10:15] <nemesis> what is wrong?
[10:15] <jpatrick> paulvolk: yes
[10:15] <NoUse> leagris what is the ouput of apt-get -f install?
[10:16] <paulvolk> Ok I am on Kubuntu 5. what ever the latest is how would I upgrade?
[10:16] <leagris> NoUse, very same output as upgrade
[10:17] <nemesis> n e ideas? why i cant hear shoutcast - but can hear other sounds?
[10:17] <paulvolk> Can someone tell me how to upgrade?
[10:18] <NoUse> !tell paulvolk about upgrade
[10:18] <lakiboobs> guys... how can i access my windows file in another partition? i'm on a dual boot system.
[10:18] <NoUse> leagris try: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:19] <_jeff> hey gangsters
[10:19] <OdyX> paulvolk: replace every "breezy" with "dapper" in /etc/apt/sources.list and update and dist-upgarde
[10:19] <OdyX> s/upgarde/upgrade
[10:19] <NoUse> !tell lakiboobs about ntfs
[10:19] <_jeff> shouldnt that be in obotu or something?
[10:19] <leagris> NoUse, same output with dpkg --configure -a
[10:19] <paulvolk> ok
[10:19] <OdyX> _jeff: this should
[10:19] <OdyX> !ntfs
[10:19] <_jeff> lol
[10:19] <NoUse> leagris I'm out of ideas
[10:19] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:19] <_jeff> how do you add something to obotu?
[10:20] <OdyX> !update
[10:20] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, OdyX
[10:20] <OdyX> !dapper
[10:20] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[10:20] <_jeff> no
[10:20] <_jeff> how to upgrade to dapper
[10:20] <OdyX> !update to dapper
[10:20] <ubotu> OdyX: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:20] <_jeff> lol
[10:20] <_jeff> how do you add it?
[10:21] <NoUse> OdyX its under !upgrade
[10:21] <OdyX> _jeff: I don't know....
[10:21] <OdyX> !upgrade
[10:21] <ubotu> from memory, upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[10:21] <nemesis> n e ideas? why i cant hear shoutcast - but can hear other sounds?
[10:21] <OdyX> OK. Thanks NoUse
[10:22] <NoUse> leagris it might be a temporary thing, dapper does break from time to time
[10:22] <OdyX> NoUse: it's beta now... and has not broken for a looong time now.
[10:23] <NoUse> OdyX tell that the leagris :-)
[10:23] <leagris> NoUse, it only affect Kde related packages in dapper. Anyone else enconter this trouble tonight ?
[10:23] <OdyX> leagris: what happened to you ?
[10:23] <NoUse> OdyX http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/672040
[10:24] <leagris> OdyX, Todays updates for all Kde packages are broken dependencies in Dapper
[10:24] <paulvolk> Ok the dist upgrader will do Kubuntu to not just Ubuntu?
[10:24] <OdyX> leagris: well... it works here.... and it's no more than just waiting...
[10:24] <leagris> OdyX, Did you update upgrade today ?
[10:25] <OdyX> leagris: add kubuntu.no-ip.org :D it's more bleeding-edge (Kubuntu dev's repo)
[10:25] <OdyX> leagris: I just did.
[10:25] <nemesis> ok - n e ideas- amarok does not output sound from shoutcast - but xmms does????????
[10:25] <OdyX> leagris: but I have kubuntu.no-ip.org
[10:25] <NoUse> paulvolk ubuntu is the same as kubuntu, just different GUI installed by default
[10:25] <paulvolk> oh lol I should have known that
[10:25] <OdyX> leagris: dunno if it changes... but it's not broken here.
[10:25] <leagris> OdyX, is tha a Kubuntu team maintained repos or some kind hacker repos ?
[10:26] <OdyX> leagris: it's Tonio_ 's repos.
[10:26] <leagris> OdyX, Ill try this
[10:27] <OdyX> leagris: it's only deb's waiting for main...
[10:28] <paulvolk> Is Upgrading to Drapper a good Idea?
[10:29] <OdyX> paulvolk: as you feel it.
[10:29] <OdyX> paulvolk: it's very stable now...
[10:29] <OdyX> no worry
[10:30] <paulvolk> ok
[10:30] <_jeff> awesome
[10:30] <_jeff> im gonna download the live cd tonight
[10:30] <paulvolk> I want to but I also don't want my system to crash
[10:30] <OdyX> paulvolk: the idea when moving release date was that the community should be able to switch on "previous release date"
[10:30] <_jeff> no nobody wants that
[10:30] <OdyX> paulvolk: I had no "system crash" for a looong time"
[10:30] <_jeff> nice
[10:30] <_jeff> but are you a guru?
[10:31] <chowsapal> anyone have any tips on why my sound works on some boots and not others?
[10:31] <leagris> Ill try to remove everything kde related and restart from kubuntu-desktop dependency tree
[10:32] <leagris> see you soon (hopefully). Still have gnome in case of troubles ;D
[10:32] <morrow> hmmm baghira still crashes my firefox.. weird
[10:32] <OdyX> _jeff: what do you mean ?
[10:32] <OdyX> _jeff: I'm more than normal user.
[10:35] <_jeff> odyx: ok
[10:36] <OdyX> _jeff: what did you mean by "are you a guru" ?
[10:36] <_jeff> odyx: i figured that an experienced user would have fewer problems than a fairly average user
[10:36] <slow-motion> re
[10:36] <_jeff> a guru is sombody who has mastered something
[10:36] <_jeff> as far as i know
[10:36] <OdyX> _jeff: well... I feel well with KDE and Ubuntu, but no more... no dev no nothing...
[10:37] <C-O-L-T> Ubuntu - Linux for human beings!!!
[10:37] <_jeff> oh
[10:37] <_jeff> lol yeha
[10:37] <_jeff> i wanna get into dev
[10:37] <_jeff> make linux programs and what not
[10:37] <tsdgeos> _jeff: then start
[10:37] <_jeff> help improve others
[10:37] <tsdgeos> is easy (if you know some programming of course=
[10:38] <_jeff> tsdgeos: thanks for the advice
[10:38] <tsdgeos> we at kde are very open
[10:38] <_jeff> i know a bit of c++ in windows
[10:38] <C-O-L-T> Ubuntu - Linux for human beings!!!
[10:38] <_jeff> but have no idea how to start in ubuntu
[10:38] <tsdgeos> well
[10:38] <tsdgeos> install gcc/g++
[10:39] <tsdgeos> + some editor you like (or IDE even)
[10:39] <tsdgeos> and then find someone you want to help on :D
[10:39] <_jeff> can i do it in kate?
[10:39] <OdyX> _jeff: sure... any editor
[10:39] <_jeff> or do i need some visual studio-esque app?
[10:39] <_jeff> ok
[10:39] <OdyX> _jeff: but there is kdevelop3
[10:39] <tsdgeos> _jeff: i usually use kate
[10:40] <_jeff> ok
[10:40] <tsdgeos> but you can use kdevelop
[10:40] <_jeff> what kind of app would i start with?
[10:40] <_jeff> trying to make
[10:40] <tsdgeos> or emacs or vim or eclipse (what boss makes me use on work) or wathever
[10:40] <_jeff> in windows i would make apps that ran in dos from the command line
[10:40] <_jeff> is it easy to make terminal apps?
[10:41] <jpatrick> yes
[10:41] <_jeff> awesome
[10:41] <chowsapal> you could probably run those same programs letter for letter
[10:41] <tsdgeos> _jeff: but gui apps are nicer :-)
[10:41] <_jeff> is there a beginners guide or tutorial site anywhere?
[10:41] <_jeff> yeah
[10:41] <_jeff> but theres something about the terminal that i really like
[10:42] <mak> hi everyone. can someone help me with a little resolution problem please?
[10:42] <tsdgeos> mak: explain more
[10:42] <_jeff> nalioth:i know the basic commands and how to use the terminal already
[10:43] <jpatrick> _jeff: what language?
[10:43] <mak> ok here it is: i want to change my resolution to a higher one but i havnt checked more than the standard boxes during install.. how can i change the res?
[10:43] <tsdgeos> _jeff: then the same C++ you use on widnows should work almost on linux
[10:43] <jpatrick> mak: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:44] <_jeff> hmm
[10:44] <_jeff> jpatrick: c++
[10:44] <mak> ok ill try.. thx
[10:44] <_jeff> i can call all the same libraries and everything?
[10:44] <_jeff> cmath and what have you?
[10:44] <jpatrick> standard ones
[10:44] <_jeff> ok
[10:45] <_jeff> so lets say i type up my whole c++ app in kate
[10:45] <_jeff> how do i check if it works?
[10:45] <mak> ok works.. thank you jpatrick!
[10:45] <_jeff> how do i run it?
[10:45] <jpatrick> compile it
[10:46] <_jeff> theres an option in kate that allows you to compile what you've typed?
[10:46] <jpatrick> No
[10:46] <tsdgeos> _jeff: nope, then you have 3 options
[10:46] <jpatrick> but there is in kdevelop3
[10:46] <_jeff> ok
[10:46] <tsdgeos> you learn how to use automake/autoconf for generating makefiles automatically
[10:46] <tsdgeos> you create your makefile by hand
[10:46] <tsdgeos> or use kdevelop or something that creates the makefiles itself
[10:47] <_jeff> ok
[10:47] <_jeff> what do you need makefiles for?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> to call make and compile the program :D
[10:47] <Chousuke> for easier building of software project.
[10:47] <Chousuke> +s
[10:47] <tsdgeos> obviously you can call g++ at hand
[10:47] <tsdgeos> but that's crazy
[10:47] <Chousuke> make is your friend <3
[10:48] <_jeff> lol ok
[10:48] <paulvolk> How do you start Konquorer as root?
[10:48] <_jeff> sounds like i should start with kdevelop
[10:48] <Chousuke> would you rather: g++ foo.cc bar.cc zonk.cc -o quzzle, or simply "make"
[10:48] <_jeff> sudo konqueror
[10:48] <paulvolk> How do you start Konquorer as root?
[10:48] <paulvolk> ok
[10:48] <paulvolk> thanks
[10:48] <_jeff> np
[10:48] <jpatrick> _jeff: never sudo
[10:48] <Chousuke> paulvolk: why do you want to do that?
[10:48] <tsdgeos> paulvolk: and why you want to do that?
[10:48] <jpatrick> "kdesu"
[10:48] <tsdgeos> Chousuke: lol
[10:49] <_jeff> lol
[10:49] <Chousuke> paulvolk: it's dangerous. :)
[10:49] <paulvolk> to open a file to edit it as root
[10:49] <Chousuke> paulvolk: ah
[10:49] <_jeff> why is it dangerous?
[10:49] <Chousuke> use kdesu kate file for that
[10:49] <jpatrick> then use kate
[10:49] <tsdgeos> paulvolk: and you need konqueror to edit a file ;)
[10:49] <_jeff> are you guys typing the person's name every single time or is there a shortcut?
[10:49] <paulvolk> I need kate but have no idea how to start it in root
[10:49] <Chousuke> _jeff: because konqueror is a web browser and a large application.
[10:49] <_jeff> mhm
[10:49] <Chousuke> paulvolk: "kdesu kate"
[10:50] <Chousuke> should work
[10:50] <tsdgeos> _jeff: initials + tab should do the work
[10:50] <tsdgeos> but really depends on your irc client
[10:50] <paulvolk> ok thanks
[10:50] <_jeff> ohh im using konversation
[10:50] <tsdgeos> then it should work
[10:50] <Chousuke> irssi's tabcomplete is particularly nice. :)
[10:50] <_jeff> tsdgeos: oh wicked it works
[10:50] <Chousuke> it ignores all those annoying-to-type decoration characters
[10:51] <_jeff> Chousuke: yayuh
[10:51] <Chousuke> like _ in _jeff
[10:51] <suspect> hey
[10:51] <suspect> just wanted to know how do i install gnome?
[10:51] <_jeff> Chousuke: lol
[10:51] <Chousuke> so I get your nickname with just "j<tab>"
[10:51] <suspect> on kubuntu
[10:51] <Chousuke> suspect: sudo aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment or something
[10:51] <_jeff> i thihnk that would be apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:51] <Chousuke> or if you want all that, then yes, ubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <_jeff> lol
[10:52] <_jeff> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package
[10:52] <_jeff> that comes with all the apps that come with the gnome version of ubuntu
[10:52] <suspect> ok it finished
[10:52] <_jeff> including gnome
[10:53] <paulvolk> Ok I have no ide how to update to drapper
[10:54] <Seantater> !dapper
[10:54] <_jeff> lol
[10:54] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[10:54] <paulvolk> I can't get it to update
[10:54] <Seantater> Go to a terminal
[10:54] <_jeff> as far as i know, all you have to do is change every 'breezy' to 'dapper' in your sources.list
[10:54] <tsdgeos> paulvolk: you have to dist-updrade not only updrage
[10:54] <_jeff> ye
[10:54] <NoUse> !upgrade
[10:54] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, totally, Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[10:54] <paulvolk> How do I dist-upgrade?
[10:55] <NoUse> paulvolk apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:55] <suspect> ok
[10:55] <suspect> it didnt install gnome
[10:55] <suspect> anyways
[10:55] <suspect> what is Ubuntu 5.04 hoary
[10:55] <suspect> can i get that?
[10:55] <jpatrick> old version
[10:55] <Seantater> suspect: an old version of ubuntu
[10:56] <suspect> oh
[10:56] <suspect> nvm then
[10:56] <Seantater> suspect, I doubt you want it
[10:56] <suspect> so whats the command to install gnome?
[10:56] <NoUse> suspect apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <Seantater> suspect, Have you done apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <justanotheruser> is it possible to request an upgrade of a package in dapper?
[10:57] <Seantater> suspect, If you have already done that, you have to tell kdm to boot to gnome instead
[10:57] <paulvolk> after I type apt-get dist-upgrade what do I do?
[10:57] <suspect> ok ist installingh
[10:57] <justanotheruser> (to the latest stable version of rtorrent)
[10:57] <NoUse> suspect could you be more specific?
[10:57] <suspect> i remember earlier i had dapper problems
[10:57] <Seantater> paulvolk: press enter, watch things happen
[10:57] <suspect> it was hell
[10:57] <suspect> lol
[10:57] <NoUse> justanotheruser I think dapper is frozen for anything other than security and bug fixes
[10:57] <paulvolk> Watch what happen?
[10:57] <paulvolk> nothing happened
[10:58] <jpatrick> NoUse: yep
[10:58] <suspect> gnome is smaler than kde right?
[10:58] <Seantater> paulvolk: paste into pastebin what it said
[10:58] <suspect> smaller*
[10:58] <Seantater> paulvolk: and give us the link here
[10:59] <_jeff> whats rtorrent?
[10:59] <plukin> suspect: but you can make kde small, too.
[10:59] <Seantater> suspect: not really
[10:59] <suspect> torrent is a file that is pirated
[10:59] <_jeff> yeah i know
[10:59] <Seantater> suspect: no
[10:59] <_jeff> but whats rtorrent?
[10:59] <NoUse> suspect wrong
[10:59] <_jeff> a client/
[10:59] <_jeff> ?
[10:59] <suspect> like a copy of a software that you have to pay for.
[10:59] <Seantater> suspect: _jeff:yes
[10:59] <_jeff> lol
[10:59] <justanotheruser> NoUse: so... i would have to email the maintainer to ask for it, and the package can't be in the normal repo. True?
[10:59] <suspect> lol
[11:00] <suspect> azureus is good
[11:00] <OdyX> suspect: ktorrent is fine too.
[11:00] <suspect> but i like bittorrent better
[11:00] <_jeff> yeah i like that one too
[11:00] <suspect> wheres ktorrent?
[11:00] <suspect> i don't see it
[11:00] <jpatrick> in main
[11:00] <_jeff> OdyX: suspect : i like both a lot
[11:00] <Seantater> !info ktorrent
[11:00] <ubotu> ktorrent: (BitTorrent client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.0-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB
[11:00] <paulvolk> Here you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12625
[11:00] <suspect> oh
[11:00] <suspect> is it already installed on kubuntu?
[11:00] <NoUse> justanotheruser not as this point, you could request it for dapper+1
[11:00] <_jeff> azureus is heavy on the resources though
[11:00] <jpatrick> in Dapper
[11:01] <_jeff> NoUse: lol dapper+!
[11:01] <_jeff> 1
[11:01] <suspect> whats that link for?
[11:01] <Seantater> paulvolk: run kate ot kwrite or kedit, whatever, as root
[11:01] <NoUse> _jeff thats what its being referred to as, there is even #ubuntu+1
[11:01] <Seantater> paulvolk: and open /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:02] <paulvolk> ok done
[11:02] <Seantater> paulvolk: then change every ime it says breezy to dapper
[11:02] <suspect> how can i get unbanned from ubuntu server?
[11:02] <_jeff> NoUse: lol i know breezy+1 is reffering to dapper, but doesnt dapper+1 refer to the one after dapper?
[11:03] <justanotheruser> NoUse: i ask this because some trackers have a pollicy that they banned all version of bittornado besides the latest develop and the stable. And rtorrent is going the same road
[11:03] <paulvolk> ok after that what do I do?
[11:03] <Seantater> paulvolk: then pastebin what your sources.list says
[11:04] <NoUse> _jeff yeah, thats what I was referring
[11:04] <_jeff> ok
[11:04] <suspect> how do i get unbanned from ubuntu servers?
[11:04] <_jeff> sexual favours
[11:04] <suspect> lol
[11:04] <_jeff> lol
[11:04] <suspect> you're kidding
[11:04] <_jeff> yeah
[11:04] <NoUse> he's really not
[11:04] <suspect> ok
[11:04] <suspect> yes he is
[11:04] <paulvolk> ok here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12626
[11:05] <suspect> so how do i get unbanned?
[11:05] <suspect> apologize?
[11:05] <_jeff> what are you banned from exactly?
[11:05] <suspect> #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[11:05] <NoUse> suspect what did you do?
[11:05] <_jeff> yeah thats it
[11:05] <Seantater> paulvolk: now put a # before each line that has the word cdrom in it
[11:05] <suspect> i don't know
[11:06] <suspect> no one was helping so i yelled
[11:06] <_jeff> lol
[11:06] <suspect> and cursed
[11:06] <suspect> lol
[11:06] <_jeff> LOL
[11:06] <_jeff> dude
[11:06] <suspect> rofl
[11:06] <_jeff> yeah try apologising
[11:06] <paulvolk> ok
[11:06] <suspect> but how?
[11:06] <_jeff> can you get on with a different name or computer?
[11:06] <suspect> yeah
[11:06] <suspect> my sis laptop
[11:06] <suspect> she has windows
[11:06] <Seantater> paulvolk: now type "apt-get update" (no quotes) into a terminal
[11:06] <suspect> but it has a virus
[11:06] <_jeff> lol ok go on with that and apologize
[11:06] <suspect> i dont mess with her things
[11:07] <Seantater> paulvolk: pastbin what it says
[11:07] <suspect> no
[11:07] <_jeff> lol ok then dont
[11:07] <paulvolk> ok
[11:07] <suspect> her pc is infected
[11:07] <suspect> and its slow
[11:07] <_jeff> lol
[11:07] <suspect> lots of pop ups saying adult friend finder
[11:07] <suspect> LOL!!
[11:07] <_jeff> you can get on the channel from any computer that has the internet i thinsk
[11:07] <_jeff> lol
[11:07] <suspect> lol
[11:07] <_jeff> yeah... viruses
[11:08] <suspect> why don't you go and tell them im sorry
[11:08] <paulvolk> it is downloading files
[11:08] <_jeff> ok
[11:08] <suspect> tell them that i was sorry
[11:08] <paulvolk> do you want me to wait?
[11:08] <_jeff> will they remember you?
[11:08] <Seantater> paulvolk: yes, wait
[11:08] <suspect> yes
[11:08] <suspect> i was suspect
[11:08] <_jeff> ok
[11:08] <suspect> and excaliber
[11:09] <paulvolk> you want me to paste everything it says?
[11:09] <suspect> what?
[11:09] <suspect> copy and paste my texts?
[11:09] <Seantater> paulvolk: No, just give me an idea of what it says
[11:09] <suspect> oh
[11:10] <paulvolk> 30 some packedges where upgraded
[11:10] <suspect> [17:10]  [474]  #ubuntu+1 You're banned from that channel
[11:10] <suspect> see that
[11:10] <suspect> im banned
[11:10] <suspect> = (
[11:10] <paulvolk> do I restart now?
[11:10] <_jeff> lol sorry suspect
[11:10] <Seantater> paulvolk: no
[11:10] <_jeff> nobody is adressing our case
[11:10] <suspect> you tried?
[11:10] <Seantater> paulvolk: that was update
[11:10] <_jeff> yeah
[11:10] <suspect> damn
[11:10] <_jeff> those ubuntu punks are jerks
[11:10] <_jeff> forget them
[11:10] <suspect> thanks anyways
[11:10] <Seantater> paulvolk: now for upGRADE
[11:11] <paulvolk> ok
[11:11] <paulvolk> what do I do?
[11:11] <_jeff> i baely ever get a response from them anyways
[11:11] <Seantater> paulvolk: do "apt-get dist-upgrade" (no quotes)
[11:11] <_jeff> *barely
[11:11] <suspect> aslol
[11:11] <_jeff> lol
[11:11] <suspect> [17:10]  [474]  #ubuntu+1 You're banned from that channel
[11:11] <suspect> see that?
[11:11] <suspect> lol
[11:12] <Seantater> paulvolk: It should be asking a few questions now
[11:12] <paulvolk> 854 upgraded, 115 newly installed, 186 to remove and 3 not upgraded
[11:12] <paulvolk> is what it says now it is asking if I want to continue
[11:12] <paulvolk> yes?
[11:12] <Seantater> paulvolk: yes
[11:12] <suspect> _jeff:do you know how to install lmms?
[11:13] <suspect> i have it as a .deb file on my desktop
[11:13] <suspect> saved
[11:13] <Seantater> paulvolk: now make a cup of your favorite beverage and watch it work
[11:13] <_jeff> suspect: you mean how do you install a .deb?
[11:13] <suspect> yes
[11:14] <Seantater> paulvolk: how fact is your internet connection
[11:14] <_jeff> sudo dpkg -i <full path to the .deb file>
[11:14] <Seantater> paulvolk: how faSt is your internet connection
[11:14] <paulvolk> it is about 3mb/s
[11:14] <Seantater> paulvolk: sorry
[11:14] <Seantater> paulvolk: drool
[11:14] <_jeff> or you could cd to your desktop and just type the name of the file
[11:14] <Seantater> paulvolk: mbit or MB?
[11:14] <_jeff> instead of the full path
[11:15] <paulvolk> MB
[11:15] <_jeff> suspect: whats lmms?
[11:15] <suspect> a music making thing
[11:15] <Seantater> paulvolk: how fast is your CPU
[11:15] <_jeff> aw i love music making things
[11:15] <suspect> and i keep getting errors when i type in sudo dpkg -i and the file name
[11:15] <paulvolk> Hey Seantater are you typing my name every line?
[11:15] <suspect> it doesnt work
[11:15] <_jeff> anybody have experience with kguitar?
[11:15] <Seantater> paulvolk: yes
[11:15] <_jeff> whats it say?
[11:15] <suspect> kguitar?
[11:15] <suspect> is that a real guitar?
[11:15] <_jeff> no
[11:15] <paulvolk> 3 gightz
[11:16] <paulvolk> I think
[11:16] <suspect> i need a virtual guitar
[11:16] <_jeff> it is a tab application
[11:16] <suspect> is it just liek a guitar?
[11:16] <_jeff> helps you write music for guitar
[11:16] <suspect> like*
[11:16] <Seantater> paul: mine is only 2.2 GHZ with 600 KB/s
[11:16] <suspect> is it?
[11:16] <suspect> like a guitar?
[11:16] <Seantater> paul: Your updtade should take about 30-45minutes
[11:16] <_jeff> lol im not sure, havent messed with it much
[11:16] <paulvolk> oh ok I think mine around 2
[11:16] <suspect> lol
[11:16] <suspect> but what does it look like?
[11:17] <Seantater> paulvolk: minutes?
[11:17] <paulvolk> sorry I just looked it up
[11:17] <_jeff> i dont think it will give you a guitar track if thats what ur after
[11:17] <Seantater> paulvolk: I do not think the ubuntu servers allow to download that fast
[11:17] <_jeff> it looks like sheet music i guess
[11:17] <suspect> does it look like a guitar?
[11:17] <paulvolk> oh well
[11:17] <_jeff> lol its an application man
[11:17] <paulvolk> I will just wait
[11:17] <suspect> lol
[11:17] <paulvolk> so
[11:17] <suspect> oh
[11:17] <Seantater> paulvolk: How many %
[11:17] <_jeff> lol
[11:17] <paulvolk> 8
[11:18] <paulvolk> lol
[11:18] <Seantater> paulvolk: D/Ling or installing now?
[11:18] <_jeff> did you think i meant a real guitar?
[11:18] <suspect> yes
[11:18] <suspect> lol
[11:18] <_jeff> lol
[11:18] <paulvolk> downloading
[11:18] <suspect> hey you on gnome?
[11:18] <suspect> or kde?
[11:18] <paulvolk> KDE ALL THE WAY!!!
[11:18] <_jeff> kde
[11:18] <_jeff> yayuh
[11:18] <suspect> lol
[11:18] <Seantater> KDE!!!
[11:18] <suspect> yeah
[11:18] <suspect> KDE!!!
[11:18] <_jeff> suspect: sombody just adressed us on #ubuntu
[11:19] <paulvolk> YAYAAAA KDE IS THE BEST
[11:19] <suspect> what they said?
[11:19] <suspect> YEAH!!!
[11:19] <_jeff> suspect: they said message ompaul
[11:19] <_jeff> suspect: but there are no promises
[11:19] <suspect> ompaul?
[11:19] <_jeff> yeah
[11:19] <Seantater> ompaul?
[11:19] <suspect> hiow do i message him?
[11:19] <_jeff> lol i dont know
[11:19] <suspect> lol
[11:19] <_jeff> i was just about to ask
[11:20] <suspect> ask them
[11:20] <NoUse> type  /msg nick message
[11:20] <_jeff> ohh
[11:20] <Seantater> paulvolk: be back in a while
[11:20] <paulvolk> What was he banned for?
[11:20] <paulvolk> ok thanks for the help!
[11:20] <suspect> brb
[11:20] <_jeff> nobody would help him so he yelled and cursed
[11:20] <_jeff> lol
[11:20] <Seantater> Anyone here program?
[11:21] <_jeff> y..no
[11:21] <NoUse> Seantater yeah
[11:21] <paulvolk> sometimes people can be really rude on these channels. I had that problem with the SUSE channel
[11:22] <Seantater> NoUse: What language?
[11:22] <Raven301> Where do you get an updated Repositories list?
[11:22] <paulvolk> but since switching I have gotten all the help I have needed
[11:22] <paulvolk> They are really nice and helpfull here
[11:22] <NoUse> Seantater python, java, some shell scripting, PHP
[11:22] <Seantater> paulvolk: I hope I am not an exception
[11:22] <suspect> how do i register my nickname/
[11:22] <Seantater> NoUse, No java, but I do Python, PHP, and BASH
[11:22] <Seantater> NoUse, I perfer Python
[11:22] <NoUse> Seantater cool
[11:22] <suspect> how?
[11:23] <NoUse> Seantater yeah its a nice language
[11:23] <Seantater> NoUse, What have you made?
[11:23] <che_benway> how can i upgrade to dapper without burning a new cd?
[11:23] <NoUse> suspect /msg NickServ help
[11:23] <NoUse> Seantater I submitted a few patches to CastPodder
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> Why does knetworkmanager depend on a huge amount of gnome stuff ? (I was going to test it but if it needs that much stuff I may as well just use the gtk version) I don't need it just wanted to try it
[11:23] <NoUse> Seantater I use java for work
[11:24] <Seantater> NoUse, I've never gotten around to that, But I have made a couple things for fun
[11:24] <Seantater> NoUse, Nothing big
[11:24] <suspect> can you tell me the exact command?
[11:24] <NoUse> suspect I don't it, NickServ will tell you
[11:24] <Seantater> paulvolk still working?
[11:24] <NoUse> don't know*
[11:24] <paulvolk> Yup
[11:25] <Seantater> paulvolk: %?
[11:25] <paulvolk> 20
[11:26] <paulvolk> so Seantater you running drapper?
[11:26] <Seantater> paulvolk: yes
[11:26] <Seantater> paulvolk: I used to have one upgraded from breezy
[11:26] <Seantater> paulvolk: But that can occasionally get buggy
[11:26] <Seantater> paulvolk: so i installed a fresh dapper install
[11:27] <suspect> i dont understand the command
[11:27] <suspect> its confusing
[11:27] <paulvolk> where can you get the visual install CD instead of the text based one?
[11:27] <paulvolk> Want to give it to my friend
[11:27] <Seantater> paulvolk: I do not think you can yet
[11:27] <paulvolk> He is not as compute literat as I am
[11:27] <Seantater> paulvolk: it's still in development last time I checked
[11:27] <vge> is there a text based install?
[11:27] <paulvolk> oh ok
[11:28] <Seantater> paulvolk: The one od dapper now is just like the one on breezy
[11:28] <paulvolk> I guess I will have to install it for him
[11:28] <NoUse> !tell suspect about register
[11:28] <Seantater> paulvolk: Wait until dapper is released, and the GUI will be heer
[11:28] <paulvolk> Nice
[11:28] <vge> question is, what part of install needs to be graphic?
[11:29] <Seantater> vge: IMO, all of it
[11:29] <_jeff> lol the hoary hedgehog install was fine for me
[11:29] <Seantater> Sion: Choose a name and stick with it
[11:29] <vge> well i think the present one is very clear
[11:29] <_jeff> yeah
[11:29] <_jeff> breezy
[11:29] <Sion> i dont know how to register
[11:29] <paulvolk> well the Breezy install was a little complicated and confusing for a noob to linux, plus I am used to the SUSE install which is graphic and amazing looking
[11:29] <Seantater> vge: It;s just not preety
[11:30] <paulvolk> also apeals to a wider veriety of users
[11:30] <_jeff> i found my first ubuntu install last summer very easy and it was my first try on linux
[11:30] <Sion> i dont get the registration
[11:30] <paulvolk> so does dapper have a graphic shutdown?
[11:31] <vge> yes
[11:31] <OdyX> paulvolk: Yep.
[11:31] <paulvolk> nice you have seen it?
[11:31] <Sion> can someone show me the exact command?
[11:31] <Sion> for registering?
[11:31] <NoUse> Sion did you follow the instructions I sent you?
[11:31] <Sion> yes
[11:31] <admrl> anyone know who did the graphics for the graphic shutdown..?
[11:31] <NoUse> Sion how is it confusing?
[11:31] <paulvolk> is it faster, dapper?
[11:31] <_jeff> Python: suspect?
[11:31] <vge> paulvolk: yes
[11:31] <Sion> like do i have to change my nick ont he little box<<<<<<<<<
[11:31] <vge> in a degree
[11:32] <admrl> was it kwwii..?
[11:32] <paulvolk> like a lot faster?
[11:32] <Sion> or type in the nickname after the register word
[11:32] <_jeff> suspect?
[11:32] <_jeff> you there?
[11:32] <Sion> yes?
[11:32] <_jeff> did they unban you?
[11:32] <Sion> this is suspect
[11:32] <Sion> i cant talk to them
[11:32] <Sion> im not registered
[11:32] <paulvolk> vge: is it a lot faster?
[11:32] <_jeff> o
[11:32] <Sion> and its confusing to register
[11:32] <_jeff> yeah i know
[11:33] <Sion> show me the command please
[11:33] <_jeff> i dont remember doing it myself
[11:33] <vge> paulvolk: not that you should upgrade becouse of it
[11:33] <Sion> [Notice]  -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>
[11:33] <Sion> [17:33]  [Notice]  -NickServ- Type: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER for more information
[11:33] <paulvolk> no no but I mean you can notice it? not like a fraction of a second thing.
[11:33] <Sion> tahts what happened
[11:33] <Sion> i dont get it
[11:33] <Sion> thats*
[11:33] <Seantater> paulvolk: I cannot notice it
[11:34] <_jeff> hmm
[11:34] <Seantater> paulvolk: However, KDE4 is supposed to be a noticible speed increase
[11:34] <NoUse> Sion you just type /msg NickServ register <yourpassword> , thats all
[11:34] <Seantater> paulvolk: But that's quite a while from now
[11:34] <_jeff> type /msg nickserv register <password>
[11:34] <paulvolk> oh does it have an update notification?
[11:34] <_jeff> yeah
[11:34] <Sion> but sion is already regitered
[11:34] <_jeff> not yeah to paulvolk
[11:34] <Sion> and i dont have it registered
[11:34] <paulvolk> I want an update notification bad
[11:35] <NoUse> Sion ok, so you have to choose a different nick
[11:35] <OdyX> paulvolk: the boot is a lot faster thougg...
[11:35] <paulvolk> cool
[11:35] <paulvolk> anyways I have to go
[11:35] <solan> can any1 help me install mysql++-2.1.1, I'm getting an error [http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12628]  when I try to ./configure. I'v got both libmysql and mysql-client installed...
[11:35] <paulvolk> dinner
[11:35] <paulvolk> bye
[11:35] <paulvolk> and thanks for the help
[11:35] <BeerBaby> is there anyone here that can help me with wireless on kubuntu?
[11:36] <ZeLL91> finalley
[11:36] <ZeLL91> finally
[11:36] <_jeff> take it easy paul
[11:36] <solan> BeerBaby: have you done anything yet?
[11:36] <NoUse> solan can't you use the mysql that is in apt?
[11:36] <BeerBaby> well i have everything working drivers etc with ndis
[11:36] <_jeff> whats the problem then?
[11:36] <BeerBaby> except the essid still says no/any
[11:36] <_jeff> get a wifi manager
[11:37] <solan> NoUse: I'v installed a couple of mysql clients via apt, but it still doesn't work...
[11:37] <BeerBaby> even when i use the iwconfig command it doesnt take it... umm wifi manager?
[11:37] <ZeLL91> ok i messaged ompaul
[11:37] <BeerBaby> sorry this is all new to me lol
[11:37] <_jeff> i like wifi radar
[11:37] <NoUse> solan you need to install the server as well as the client
[11:37] <solan> BeerBaby: gkwifi, It's really neat if you running GNOME;)
[11:37] <ZeLL91> hes not answering though
[11:37] <_jeff> o
[11:37] <BeerBaby> eeep kde here unfortunately
[11:37] <ZeLL91> _jeff
[11:38] <solan> hmmm... have you got the drivers, and the hole lot up and running?
[11:38] <BeerBaby> wifi radar, ok well ill give it a whirl. this has been doing my head in for hours now lol
[11:38] <_jeff> BeerBaby: lol its not unfortunate, just search in adept for wifi
[11:38] <ZeLL91> can you tel them hes not answering me?
[11:38] <NoUse> solan the drivers for what? php?
[11:38] <BeerBaby> yea i use the ndiswrapper or wotever it is
[11:38] <_jeff> ZeLL91: yeah ill try
[11:38] <ZeLL91> ok
[11:38] <_jeff> he may not be at the computer though
[11:38] <solan> NoUse: sorre, was talking to BeerBaby...
[11:39] <solan> what card are you using?
[11:39] <solan> NoUse: nope, installed the mysql-server that apt's got, and still got the same error...
[11:39] <BeerBaby> umm buffalo wl12 pci g54s
[11:40] <ZeLL91> nevermind _jeff
[11:40] <NoUse> solan which error?
[11:40] <BeerBaby> in kwifimanager it said it was connected, green bar and everythinig. to what i dont know
[11:40] <_jeff> hes talking to you now?
[11:40] <ZeLL91> yeah
[11:40] <solan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12628
[11:40] <_jeff> BeerBaby: yeah kwifi is stupid, it always does that
[11:41] <_jeff> BeerBaby: at least for me
[11:41] <BeerBaby> lol and um i scan for networks and it can see the AP but i double click and nothing happens
[11:41] <solan> BeerBaby: me2...
[11:41] <_jeff> BeerBaby: lol i know, its retarted
[11:41] <BeerBaby> im glad im not the only one lol
[11:41] <BeerBaby> cuzz i felt like i was being stupid or sumthiin
[11:42] <solan> BeerBaby: have you tried using the Wireless Network option in Control Center?
[11:42] <vge> well, atleast you can see the AP -.-
[11:42] <BeerBaby> yup i tried that
[11:42] <solan> nothing?
[11:42] <ZeLL91> and i still don't know how to install macromedia flash player
[11:42] <BeerBaby> well under network name
[11:42] <_jeff> ZeLL91: lol i hate how mods act like they are gods
[11:42] <BeerBaby> do i put the SSID in there or
[11:42] <ZeLL91> lol
[11:43] <BeerBaby> i did that anyway lol
[11:43] <BeerBaby> but it didnt pick it up still
[11:43] <vge> ZeLL91: tryed installing it from macromedia.com? works for me
[11:43] <_jeff> ZeLL91: he just /msgd me and told me to step away from the keyboard because ive done my good deed for the day
[11:43] <ZeLL91> = )
[11:43] <solan> BeerBaby: 2secs...
[11:43] <_jeff> lol
[11:43] <BeerBaby> ok thanks
[11:43] <ZeLL91> lol
[11:44] <temi> Hey, i have like 150gb of free space, how to i make it usuable?
[11:44] <ZeLL91> you're the best if he unbans me
[11:44] <_jeff> lol
[11:44] <_jeff> yeah that would make me the best
[11:44] <ZeLL91> = D
[11:44] <NoUse> solan you need the mysql dev files, I think its in the libmysqlclient14-dev package
[11:44] <ZeLL91> so how did you install macromedia?
[11:44] <_jeff> me?
[11:45] <ZeLL91> yes
[11:45] <vge> temi: post the HD to me, i can use it for free if you like? you dont have to pay me anything ;)
[11:45] <_jeff> lol i /still/ dont have flash working
[11:45] <ZeLL91> ahh
[11:45] <temi> lol vge
[11:45] <ZeLL91> lol
[11:45] <_jeff> i know
[11:45] <ZeLL91> i know a easy way
[11:45] <ZeLL91> = )
[11:45] <_jeff> since i got breezy, my flash hasnt worked
[11:45] <temi> vge: its a partitioned drive lol
[11:46] <ZeLL91> ok all you have to do is go to ubuntu and go to a page that has flash and install it there
[11:46] <ZeLL91> and you will have it here
[11:46] <ZeLL91> lol
[11:46] <ZeLL91> = )
[11:46] <vge> _jeff: you get tiny or no text at all in flash?
[11:47] <_jeff> konqueror and firefox think i dont have the plugin
[11:47] <_jeff> and i dont know if i do :(
[11:47] <_jeff> ive installed the packages
[11:47] <ZeLL91> just go to ubuntu and go to firefox
[11:47] <_jeff> in regular old ubuntu too
[11:47] <temi> Anyone, i have hd space thats free, and i want to make it usuable, do i need to use the cd and go to partitioning or is there an easier way?
[11:47] <ZeLL91> then go to a page that has a flash thing and install the missing things
[11:47] <_jeff> temi: i dont know
[11:48] <BeerBaby> oh and administrator mode didnt work the next day even when i typed in the password. it just took me back to the same screen. so i just enabled root for now lol
[11:48] <temi> arg!
[11:48] <ZeLL91> !arf
[11:48] <ubotu> ZeLL91: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:48] <_jeff> ZeLL91: i tried that a while back and it still didnt work
[11:48] <ZeLL91> worked for me
[11:48] <_jeff> !ping
[11:48] <ubotu> pong
[11:48] <ZeLL91> = )
[11:49] <ZeLL91> moo
[11:49] <temi> Anyone know how to mount empty area?
[11:49] <hussam> where are the difference in packages between installing kubuntu dapper beta using live and install CD?
[11:50] <_jeff> is there any difference between dapper beta and flight 6?
[11:50] <temi> hussam: live doesnt instal anything, it runs from the cd, and the cd install everything on your pc and you dont need the cd
[11:50] <LogicalDash> I've been told that to make a command run on startup, I've got to create a .desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart ...but what should be in the .desktop file?
[11:50] <solan> BeerBaby: do U get anything? IP? DHCP-server..?
[11:50] <Pupeno> any program to convert times between timezones ? I want to know what time is 10 am PST in UTC.
[11:50] <BeerBaby> its going to be a static ip so i set that
[11:50] <BeerBaby> and i also set the subnet mask
[11:51] <solan> NoUse: have you found anything....? sorry, but I went offline a bit...
[11:51] <solan> iptables -L?
[11:51] <NoUse> solan you need the mysql dev files, I think its in
[11:51] <NoUse>           the libmysqlclient14-dev package
[11:51] <solan> oh... thx man;)
[11:51] <ZeLL91> !tell _jeff about sex
[11:51] <BeerBaby> ummms
[11:51] <_jeff> lol
[11:51] <ZeLL91> lol
[11:51] <ZeLL91> i was bored
[11:51] <ZeLL91> = \
[11:51] <_jeff> hahaha
[11:51] <ZeLL91> hohoho
[11:52] <BeerBaby> well i dont think its going to be a routing issue cuzz its a static WAN ip
[11:52] <BeerBaby> but ill check
[11:52] <ZeLL91> T)
[11:52] <_jeff> where are you from ZeLL91
[11:52] <hussam> temi: I thought the live cd had a install feature
[11:52] <ZeLL91> new york
[11:52] <ZeLL91> bronx
[11:52] <ZeLL91> and yourself?
[11:52] <_jeff> toronto canada
[11:52] <ZeLL91> oh
[11:52] <_jeff> im like 5 hours away
[11:52] <ZeLL91> is canada cool?
[11:52] <_jeff> yeah canada is good
[11:52] <asraniel> are there somewhere up to date breezy install cds? i have to install it on a pc without internet
[11:53] <solan> NoUse: thx man! it worked:)
[11:53] <_jeff> i like the bronx though
[11:53] <ZeLL91> = )
[11:53] <_jeff> lol
[11:53] <ZeLL91> i hate it = (
[11:53] <ZeLL91> LOL
[11:53] <_jeff> how come?
[11:53] <ZeLL91> too much violence
[11:53] <_jeff> oh
[11:54] <_jeff> lol yeah last time i was there, i saw a car get broken into in broad daylight
[11:54] <_jeff> it was awesome
[11:54] <NoUse> solan np
[11:59] <_jeff> does anybody here use irc to download copyrighted material?
[11:59] <_jeff> because i want to start..
[12:00] <Raven301> lol @ _jeff question
[12:00] <Riddell> _jeff: this is a kubuntu support channel, not a warez channel
[12:00] <_jeff> sorry
[12:02] <vge> temisupper: byteway, did you try gparted?
[12:02] <_jeff> so ahh
[12:02] <Riddell> asraniel: ubuntu breezy CDs havn't been made yet
[12:03] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, does the installer included on the kubuntu dapper beta cd install the same package set as the regular installer cd?
[12:03] <_jeff> is there any way to make knotify notifications better looking?
[12:03] <Riddell> hussam: yes
[12:03] <hussam> Riddell: I meant the live cd
[12:03] <Riddell> _jeff: sadly no
[12:03] <_jeff> Riddell: poop
[12:03] <Riddell> hussam: yes it does, but it's most likely broken on the beta live CD :(
[12:04] <_soup> how to get gnome like network icon in panel in kubuntu ?
[12:04] <hussam> Riddell: so I get the installer, not the live cd.


[11:08] <Laney> did the ac100 kernel completely go away?
[11:08] <Laney> IOW is the lubuntu-ac100 image dead?
[11:10] <ogra_> it shouldnt be
[11:10] <ogra_> did anyone talk to the ac100 people before killing it ?
[11:11] <ogra_> (there is #ac100)
[11:12] <Laney> ogra_: deletion message says "Unmaintained in trusty"
[11:12] <ogra_> sigh
[11:12] <ogra_> who deleted it without talking to anyone
[11:13] <Laney> well, infinity did the deletion but I don't know what the discussions were
[11:13] <Laney> apw: ^?
[11:14] <ogra_> he could have mailed the ML (and he is even a resident in #ac100 so he could have asked there)
[11:14] <ogra_> the kernel didnt change and doesnt need any changes
[11:14] <ogra_> (since the HW doesnt change either sand mainline is still not ready)
[11:22] <xnox> ogra_: Laney: can it not simply use "linux-generic" flavour?
[11:22] <ogra_> xnox, not yet
[11:23] <ogra_> xnox, with 3.15 or so it should be ready, but then flash-kernel needs changes too
[11:23] <ogra_> for trusty it still needs to use the BSP kernel
[11:27] <apw> Laney, not anything to do with me that i know of?  though i kernel which has no security, ugg
[11:27] <Laney> I'm sure it isn't, just thought you might know
[11:35] <ogra_> Laney, i know ppisati worked a bit with ac100 stuff in the past (not sure he still does)
[11:56] <xnox> ogra_: apw: also hallyn was interested in updating ac100 kernel at one point.
[11:57] <ogra_> xnox, well, the kernel itself might not be the prob as long as xfbdev can still run on it ...
[11:58] <ogra_> xnox, but i think the mainline kernel doesnt work with the fastboot bootloader and flash-kernel kind of expects a -ac100 kernel ... the first one needs to be tested, the second one will need code changes/fixes
[12:04] <apw> Laney, no i didn't hear anything specific on it sorry
[17:29] <infinity> Laney, ogra_: No, indeed, I didn't consult with anyone on the topic.  It showed up in an archive report or other because of its sketchy packaging and weird intereaction with germinate, I realised that *no one* has uploaded it for anything except an FTBFS, and was pretty unhappy about shipping an ancient kernel with a ton of known security flaws.
[17:30] <infinity> ogra_: flash-kernel changes are trivial.  Do we know if -generic *runs* on ac100 (I don't have one anymore).  If it does, that's the right way forward.
[17:30] <ogra_> infinity, well, i'm pretty unhappy that we let down the ac100 community
[17:30] <infinity> We let them down how?
[17:30] <ogra_> -generic doesnt run with the bootloader
[17:30] <infinity> I didn't uninstall the kernel from their computers.
[17:30] <cjwatson> We must have been letting them down by not shipping security fixes to them
[17:30] <ogra_> nio, but we dont give them any images anymore
[17:30] <cjwatson> Removing the kernel is hardly the worst of our failings
[17:31] <infinity> ogra_: No one's making new hardware, why do they need to reinstall every two days?
[17:31] <ogra_> cjwatson, the preinstalled android 2.2 doesnt get any either on the ac100
[17:31] <cjwatson> I don't think that's much of a justification, frankly
[17:31] <ogra_> and it didnt bother anyone for the last few releases
[17:31] <ogra_> why is it suddenly a problam
[17:31] <ogra_> *problem
[17:31] <cjwatson> So we just ship it forever?
[17:31] <cjwatson> It has to become a problem at some point
[17:31] <infinity> It's bothered me for a long while.  When it was first uploaded, I asked if anyone was going to maintain it, and was told "yes".
[17:31] <infinity> This was obviously a lie.
[17:31] <cjwatson> Mid-cycle isn't a terrible time
[17:32] <ogra_> until we can provide -generic i was hoping
[17:32] <infinity> And I didn't feel like shipping it in another LTS.
[17:32] <ogra_> and that wont happen before 3.15
[17:32] <ogra_> there are people working hard to make this happen
[17:32] <infinity> ogra_: Why the magic 3.15 number?  If we know what patches are needed and they've just missed a merge window, maybe we can fix generic.
[17:32] <ogra_> and i'm sure nobody will sit down and re-introduce the ac100 images in 14.10
[17:33] <stgraber> this seems to suggest ac100 may run on 3.13 with the right cherry-picks: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.kernel/4750
[17:33] <ogra_> infinity, well, you are in #ac100, marvin24 is the guy making the port ready upstream ... together with srwarren from nvidia
[17:33] <infinity> Look, it took forever to find anyone to test ac100 images for the last release.  So much so that it caused some sort of drama when I accidentally released them and the Lubuntu people flipped out because they weren't tested.
[17:34] <infinity> Building images we don't test on a kernel we don't support isn't doing anyone favours.
[17:34] <ogra_> infinity, the point is that the installation of the image must be adjusted to flash u-boot over the old bootloader
[17:34] <ogra_> infinity, there has a tester team formed for 14.04
[17:35] <ogra_> and they actually did tests for A1 (i dont think anyone mailed the ac100 ML to ask for A2 tests, i'm sure they would have done it)


[11:14] <jea> Well I don't think that meeting happened
[14:24] <ikt> haha
[14:24] <ikt> jea: aww I'm 2 hours late
[14:24] <ikt> gg


[00:01] <valorie> if it seems frozen or something I try right-clicking the icon in the taskbar and quitting there
[00:01] <valorie> as I recall there is a kquitapp command too, but I've not tried that often enough to advise about it
[00:02] <valorie> and presumably that would only work for KDE applications, not firefox or so
[00:47] <user|34859> OLA BOA NOITE
[00:47] <user|34859> ALGUEM SABE ME INFORMAR SE A VERSAO 17 TEM OS DRIVER DO DELL VOSTRO 1000
[00:48] <user|34859> NAO TO CONSEGUINDO ENCONTRAR EM NENHUMM LUGAR SOBRE O ASSUNTO
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[01:34] <botch> Hello...I don't suppose I could get a little assistance could I?
[01:36] <DarinMiller> botch: I might be able to help.  Sup?
[01:38] <botch> Well, I came across one of those "Your computer is locked down" "Zues" virus pages.  It was in a Firefox page.  I cleared the history and cache, is there any threat on my Kubuntu 16.04 left?
[01:38] <botch> Well, the page was from Revcontent advertisement links
[01:41] <DarinMiller> botch: most of the web threats are just scare ware attemting to provoke you to call or download their ransom ware.
[01:44] <DarinMiller> If other websites behave normally, then I would not be concerned.   If could download viruskiller from teh repos or check some other virus programs such those listed here: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/free-linux-antivirus-programs/
[01:59] <botch> Normal web browsing is okay with no hiccups at the moment so I suppose I"m fine.  I'll look into possibly downloading an antivirus app from that page
[02:00] <botch> If anything gets out of sorts, I'll just to a fresh install.  (I've got everything backed up on 2 portable harddrives)
[02:01] <botch> thank you for the link :)
[02:24] <keyvin> What should you do if you can't build a source package? File a bug against the package?
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:30] <RYDeNPF> hello
[09:31] <RYDeNPF> kubuntu or kde neon?
[09:31] <RYDeNPF> and why...
[09:33] <lordievader> RYDeNPF: What ever you prefer. Both have their pros and cons.
[09:34] <RYDeN> thanks lord....
[09:35] <RYDeN> and if you have to choose one?
[09:36] <RYDeN> another question...
[09:37] <RYDeN> sometimes, the dashboar application does not open...
[09:37] <RYDeN> I click it and nothing happens
[09:37] <lordievader> I have Neon on my test machine. But haven't used it in a while. (I'm not really the person to ask that question, rarely run Kubuntu-esque things these days)
[09:37] <RYDeN> what can I do?
[09:37] <lordievader> The dashboard application?
[09:37] <RYDeN> yes
[09:38] <RYDeN> I dont speak english so...
[09:38] <RYDeN> the place you clic so as to see all the applications
[09:38] <lordievader> Do you mean the main menu?
[09:38] <RYDeN> yes
[09:39] <lordievader> Oh, restarting plasmashell may help there (`kquitapp5 plasmashell; kstart5 plasmashell`)
[09:39] <RYDeN> I'm running plasma 5.10
[09:39] <RYDeN> is it a common bug?
[09:39] <RYDeN> it happened to me... twice in a week...
[09:41] <RYDeN> it is not a real problem... but... nevertheless, I don't like it at all... hehehe!
[09:41] <RYDeN> <lordievader> Oh, restarting plasmashell may help there (`kquitapp5 plasmashell; kstart5 plasmashell`) ------- thanks!
[09:42] <lordievader> Do you have backports enabled?
[09:42] <lordievader> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[09:43] <acheronuk> RYDeN: no, not common. don't think I have had the menu go buggy like that
[09:44] <RYDeN> lordievader, nono, I don't have it...
[09:44] <RYDeN> thanks acheronuk!
[09:46] <RYDeN> [06:42] <lordievader> Do you have backports enabled? ----- Do you recommend it?
[09:53] <acheronuk> backports give you newer things, but we haven't usually been able to test them as thoroughly as the main packages. usually pretty stable though
[09:54] <RYDeN> thanks for your help!
[09:54] <RYDeN> I go to bed, see you!
[11:39] <R13ose> My computer is showing a white on 3/4 of the screen and gray on 1/4 of the screen but can't access any programs to fix this.  Any ideas?
[11:56] <lordievader> Does a tty display correctly?
[11:58] <R13ose> lordievader: yes
[11:59] <lordievader> What graphics card(s) did you have?
[12:01] <R13ose> lordievader: how do I tell?
[12:01] <lordievader> R13ose: Pastebin the output of `sudo lspci -k`.
[12:02] <user|86632> Bom dia!
[12:02] <user|86632> Preciso de ajuda comprei um produto de vcs e preciso de suporte
[12:02] <lordievader> !it | user|86632
[12:03] <user|86632> Vocês não tem suporte no Brasil?
[12:04] <R13ose> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26312590/
[12:04] <hateball> !br | user|86632
[12:07] <lordievader> R13ose: Hmm, an Intel. How is it connected to you monitor?
[12:08] <R13ose> lordievader: laptop.
[12:08] <lordievader> What version of Kubuntu?
[12:10] <R13ose> 17.10
[12:10] <R13ose> lordievader: ^
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:11] <lordievader> R13ose: Do you have the same issues in a live-environment?
[12:11] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj , How are you doing?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, good here, how about you?
[12:12] <R13ose> lordievader: this issue happens on and off.  I don't know about the live environment
[12:13] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Doing good here 😁
[12:13] <lordievader> R13ose: Hmm, no lead to a cause yet? (just out of standby or something)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> 😃
[12:14] <R13ose> lordievader: well something application crashed and then this happened but not sure if that is the cause each time.
[12:14] <lordievader> Something X related?
[12:15] <lordievader> Does a restart of X fix the problem?
[12:15] <R13ose> lordievader: how?
[12:15] <lordievader> In a tty `sudo systemctl restart sddm`.
[12:17] <R13ose> lordievader: done, now what?
[12:18] <lordievader> Switch back to tty7 if it did not do so automatically.
[12:18] <R13ose> lordievader: nothing shows up
[12:20] <lordievader> As in a black screen?
[12:20] <R13ose> lordievader: yep
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F7?
[12:21] <R13ose> Wait login showed up
[12:21] <lordievader> R13ose: Did the command you just ran say anything about failurs?
[12:21] <lordievader> failures even
[12:21] <R13ose> Nope nothing.  I am back in
[12:22] <R13ose> How do I find out which app crashed?
[12:26] <hateball> R13ose: can look in ~/.xsession-errors
[12:26] <hateball> but generally userland doesnt log that much
[12:28] <R13ose> I don't see that folder
[12:28] <lordievader> R13ose: If you are lucky it is logged in the systemlog or in an applcation specific log... else... as hateball says.
[12:29] <BluesKaj>  /var/log/syslog might show something
[12:30] <hateball> R13ose: it's a file, not a folder
[12:32] <R13ose> Should I Pastebin this?
[12:51] <lordievader> R13ose: Is there anything interesting in it?
[12:52] <R13ose> Some but might be old.  The system log is for sure showing today errors
[12:54] <lordievader> Pastebin those errors
[12:55] <R13ose> lordievader: which one?  The whole file?
[12:56] <lordievader> No the errors, you just mentioned "today's errors".
[12:57] <R13ose> Well that is all in the system log
[12:58] <R13ose> file that whole file
[12:58] <BluesKaj> just paste the lines thatr show errors
[12:59] <R13ose> I will if I see them
[13:06] <obert> hello,I have a big issue with kubuntu: I cannot connect to internet
[13:07] <obert> I click on the network icon tray to Connect and the button remains Connect
[13:16] <BluesKaj> obert, ethernet or wifi ?
[13:18] <obert> BluesKaj: wifi
[13:20] <BluesKaj> obert, some wifi drivers need to be downloaded from the internet like some broadcom/BCM drivers , so you need an temporary ethernet connection to do so.
[13:20] <obert> it stopped working this mornning
[13:20] <BluesKaj> which wifi chip/
[13:21] <hateball> obert: if you've recently had a kernel update there might be a regression, or dkms modules might not have been built
[13:21] <obert> what is a chip?
[13:21] <hateball> obert: so you could try rebooting and picking an older kernel in grub menu
[13:21] <obert> hateball: I am a newbie on kubuntu I won't to touch grub
[13:22] <Borw3> Guys, whats benefit of Kubuntu over KDE neon?
[13:24] <Borw3> Will I be able to upgrade to Kubuntu 18.04 from 16.04 without fresh install?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Borw3, stability
[13:25] <acheronuk> Borw3: yes, the aim is to support such upgrades
[13:25] <Borw3> I am asking cause from 14.04 to 16.04 I heard you could only do fresh installs.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Borw3, that was due to the change in plasma versions on 16.04
[13:27] <acheronuk> that was a plasma5/KDE4 ->  plasma5/KF5 upgrade, where the configs for some people were not seemingly compatible
[13:28] <acheronuk> this LTS -> LTS upgrade should not have that problem
[13:31] <obert> sorry rebooted
[13:32] <BluesKaj> obert, wifi chip=wifi hardware
[13:32] <obert> the router'
[13:32] <obert> ?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> on the laptop
[13:33] <BluesKaj> asumes it's a laptop
[13:37] <Borw3> archeronuk: How can one join and become a Kubuntu developer
[13:39] <obert> BluesKaj: it is a desktop
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Borw3,  join #kubuntu-devel chat and ask there
[13:39] <BluesKaj> obert, is it a wifi dongle or a pci ?
[13:40] <obert> I don't know
[13:42] <Borw3> By, the way , Riddel is back in Kubuntu team?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Borw3, I've seen him in the devel chat a few times lately, but hes not as active as he once was
[13:47] <Borw3> In Kubuntu website it says, he is a treasurer now... Is it current?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> don't think so
[13:48] <acheronuk> Yes, he never left that role
[13:48] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:48] <acheronuk> but that is more or less the only active capacity he has
[13:50] <Borw3> LOL, Does Kubuntu steal ideas from KDE neon?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> who knows ... does it matter? :-)
[13:55] <Borw3> Just curious
[13:57] <lordievader> Don't they both just package KDE software?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Borw3, there's probly a back and forth of ideas between them, simce Riddel is active on both afaik
[13:58] <BluesKaj> since
[13:59] <BluesKaj> err Riddell
[14:00] <Borw3> Will upgrading to kde 5.8.8 in Kubuntu LTS mess up future upgrades to 18.04?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> plasma should upgrade smoothly ubless you're running a non-default kernel
[14:02] <BluesKaj> unless
[14:08] <Borw3> BluesKaj: By the way, you using KDE neon or Kubuntu?
[14:09] <Borw3> or none?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu Artful here
[14:11] <BluesKaj> also testing Kubuntu 18.04 Bionic
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Borw3, ^
[14:12] <Borw3> Bionic chews more RAM compared to 16.04?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> dunno. it's not particularly memory heavy
[14:13] <Borw3> How much it uses on boot?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> never checked
[14:17] <BluesKaj> the fans are quiet when it boots :-)
[15:44] <R13ose> There is a sound coming from my touchpad on my laptop.  How do I stop this?
[15:46] <R13ose> I know I talked about this before but there should be a way non hardware wise
[15:57] <Ev> I tried to upgrade to kubuntu14.04 overnight the other day. In the morning I had a message recommending I click to get rid of redundancies, and it will take about 4 hours. So, I used the computer all day with the plan to let get rid of the redundancies last night. Just before I could do this, my computer froze while in Facebook.  I tried closing ap
[15:57] <Ev> ps and escaping...finally getting a message to restart.  It froze at the screen that shows "kubuntu". I waited at least 10 minutes, and restarted holding down shift. I tried booting in recovery. Didn't work so I tried booting last version. Stuck at old gear-symbol screen. What should I do?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Ev, tried to upgrade to 14.04 from ?
[16:01] <Ev> I think something really old like 3.2.0 with KDE 4.8.5
[16:02] <Ev> Linux 3.2.0
[16:02] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu OS , was it 13.10?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> or 12.04 LTS
[16:02] <Ev> idk
[16:03] <Ev> OS version Linux 3.2.0-101-generic
[16:04] <BluesKaj> that's the kernel
[16:05] <Ev> Should I try to reboot and see what happens? Perhaps holding down shift again?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> try ctl+alt+F2 login then do, lsb_release -a
[16:10] <BluesKaj> looks like 12.04, which is end of life
[16:10] <BluesKaj> !eol
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Ev, ^
[16:12] <Ev> Troubles logging in.  Asking for cashe data failed. Assuming drive cache: write through.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> hope you have your data backed up, because it looks like you need to do a clean install, and I recommend you install 16.04 which is more up to date than 14.04
[16:17] <Ev> Unfortunately it is not all backed up
[16:21] <Ev> I pressed restart and entered GRUB again. I'll try cleaning /tmp.
[16:26] <Ev> Is there any danger to remounting "/ filesystem in read/write mode" and mounting "any other filesystem defined in/etc/fstab"?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> i doubt it
[16:42] <BluesKaj> there's also nomodeset which might work
[16:42] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[16:43] <BluesKaj> Ev, ^
[17:52] <arran> hello
[20:42] <Agshin> j
[20:42] <Agshin> lol


[07:40] <duflu> anpok: Does libinput have any special support for smooth two finger scrolling or is it just button 4/5 emulation?
[07:45] <anpok> duflu: yes it has two finger scrolling support
[07:46] <duflu> anpok: Does it have /good/ scrolling support (not emulating a wheel) ? :)
[07:47] <anpok> duflu: it offers two information.. the emulated number of ticks.. and a finer grained (and hopefully properly scaled) movement vector
[07:47] <duflu> anpok: So something like a normalized float vector relative to the touchpad dimensions?
[07:48] <anpok> remember.. when we introduced libinput I default to the second ccase
[07:48] <anpok> but that turned out to be problematic with downstreams..
[07:48] <anpok> so we need to expose that via a real axis in mir client
[07:48] <duflu> Heh. Compatibility or good software. Choose one
[07:48] <anpok> then we could use it gtk and qt..
[07:49] <duflu> anpok: My feeling is that the nice implementations of the world roughly map the touchpad height to scrolling the height of the screen. So if we could move in that direction with more precision I think it would be nice
[07:50] <anpok> oh..
[07:55] <duflu> You could abstract that using a float (or fixed point) motion vector
[08:01] <anpok> duflu: libinput does have device specific scaling of the measured scroll gestures
[08:01] <duflu> Hmm, methinks we need a nice demo client to play with it


[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[19:41] <clivejo> RikMills: do you know who is making all the funky videos for KDE?
[19:44] <RikMills> clivejo: not really. someone in the 'KDE promo' group would know
[19:47] <clivejo> nice to see someone taking the time to showcase features :)


[12:22] <rlaager> So Precise isn't completely unusable, as I had feared. There are definitely non-trivial regressions in the GUI, but gnome-session-fallback works reasonably well.


[00:21] <krytarik> bluesabre: O_o !  I did vote already, even twice due to the intial voting issue, and the second time was at the end of last week.  I hope you aren't saying it all got lost again for some reason and I have to start over again.. XD
[01:33] <bluesabre> krytarik: oh, nope, you're good
[01:33] <bluesabre> not sure what I was thinking
[01:35] <krytarik> Pheeew! \o/
[10:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: whats the bug number for xfpm/screensaver inhibition
[10:14] <bluesabre> I tested with both whats in 20.04 and xfpm 1.7, and they're triggering inhibition in the screensaver logs
[10:15] <bluesabre> (separate logs)
[10:15] <bluesabre> [listener_remove_ref_entry] gs-listener-dbus.c:684 (06:12:44.337):	 Removing inhibitor from xfce4-power-manager for reason 'Inhibit requested' on connection :1.2364
[10:15] <bluesabre> [listener_add_ref_entry] gs-listener-dbus.c:652 (06:12:52.903):	 Adding inhibitor from xfce4-power-manager for reason 'Inhibit requested' on connection :1.2364
[10:16] <bluesabre> also, since xfpm 1.7 uses a switch in the menu, the menu probably shouldn't close when toggling :)
[10:18] <bluesabre> oh, I see the 1.6.6 commit
[10:18] <bluesabre> Testing that
[10:21] <bluesabre> oh, that pulls session in too
[10:21] <bluesabre> dangggg
[10:31] <Unit193> We're supposed to stick on 1.6.x
[10:43] <bluesabre> Right, I was trying to fix the bug ochosi nagged me about (which is also present in 1.6)
[11:10] <bluesabre> Alrighty, looks like a bug in the screensaver
[11:10] <bluesabre> Session expects a response, xfce4-screensaver doesn't send one, gnome-screensaver sends an empty one... so guess I'll send an empty one
[12:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: patched and commented on that bug. Unit193: we might have a session patch incoming for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16522 (unless ochosi is feeling releasey)
[12:26] <bluesabre> I have a few more screensaver patches coming in today, and probably another release
[12:27] <Unit193> Dang, I guess I should have held off uploading. :3
[15:23] <ochosi> i'll do a session release tonight
[15:42] <ochosi> so no need for patching the package
[23:48] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: feel free to pick up xfce4-session 4.14.2
[23:48] <ochosi> i guess that has to go along with xfpm 1.6.6
[23:48] <ochosi> and the latest patches in xfce4-screensaver
[23:49] <ochosi> otherwise the clowns are coming
[23:49] <ochosi> (yes, the killer clowns)
[23:49] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-session 4.14.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-session-4-14-2-released-tp58052.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[23:49]  * Unit193 runs.


[01:11] <Roguehorse2> Dr. just put me on perm disability so life is gonna change....I need to start making some plans
[01:51] <nhaines> Roguehorse2: oh, congrats!  That should make it easier to get assistance.
[01:59] <Roguehorse2> Well, I don't know....we'll see. All I know right now is that I need to get a biopsy done right away. I'm not responding to the meds that have helped my condition over the last 42 years so yeah, life changing
[02:00] <Roguehorse2> I'm on 140mg/Prednisone daily and it's destroying my body from the inside out
[02:00] <Roguehorse2> http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-6007-9383/prednisone-oral/prednisone-oral/details/list-sideeffects
[02:00] <darthrobot> Title: [Common and Rare Side Effects for prednisone oral]
[02:02] <Roguehorse2> My feet and ankles are swollen so I can't really walk or stand without severe pain
[02:02] <Roguehorse2> sitting I can do in sprints then I have to lie down to relieve the pressure
[02:03] <Roguehorse2> I've been this way for the last two months
[02:03] <Roguehorse2> The Prednisone makes me kind of stoned/numb/irritable/sleep deprived
[02:04] <Roguehorse2> I'm also highly susceptable to infection so I need to stay away from what I can and still have some kind of life
[02:05] <Roguehorse2> I knew this day was coming..and I've been trying to prepare for it. I was just hoping to get a 10 to 15 year jump on it
[02:06] <Roguehorse2> I got the BS degree done, working on the masters ... but haven't landed the gig yet
[02:07] <Roguehorse2> Now I have to figure out some other plan ...
[02:09] <Roguehorse2> My options are limited but thankfully I've been working on the right skills that I think I can come up with something
[02:26] <Roguehorse2> Now, I'm glad I ditched all those jobs I had along the way that tried to prevent me from finishing my BS over the last 3.5 years! =)
[02:26] <Roguehorse2> At least that is done and out of the way.......
[02:32] <Roguehorse2> I'm also glad I kicked Otis Spunkmeyer to the curb in 2011 when I did and went back for my education .... otherwise I wouldn't have Jack S now and nothing to fall back on
[19:45] <philipballew>  hey, I am did a dumb move and accidentally deleted all my kernels when I was trying to delete the old ones. So I am wanting to fix this, and the only real guide I have seen is on Ask Ubuntu about chrooting in, however I think it is outdated. I used http://askubuntu.com/questions/28099/how-to-restore-a-system-after-accidentally-removing-all-kernels
[19:45] <darthrobot> Title: [How to restore a system after accidentally removing all kernels? - Ask Ubuntu]
[19:46] <philipballew> but however I can not run sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev and I think its because of how the boot process works now and I am unsure what to run
[19:46] <philipballew> is anyone knows, feel free to lmk.
[19:51] <philipballew> nvm, figured it out