[00:02] <g_giulio> Hi,someone can haelp me with ktorrent,please?
[00:02] <rosa> yofel: yeah, I want to have a look at kde 4.4 for kubuntu 9.10, do you know any howto?
[00:10] <yofel> rosa: it will be available from the kubuntu backports ppa, right now it's still being worked on right now
[00:10] <yofel> s/right now//
[00:10] <duryodhan> rosa: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/122
[00:13] <rosa> thanks duryodhan, Im going to have a look
[00:13] <rosa> so it's not ready jet?
[00:21] <g_giulio> Hi guys,some one know how to erase simple but big file on a partition in ntfs,thans!
[00:21] <yofel> rosa: there are still some packages that don't build afaik, should be ready soon
[00:23] <rosa> ok, thanks a lot
[00:26] <kavurt> g_giulio: what do you mean? cannot you delete it with rm?
[00:51] <kaddi> how do I search for a file in command line? I would like to check if somefile.exe is in the windows folder or in one of its folders?
[00:51] <Dragnslicer> find
[00:51] <Dragnslicer> Or locate
[00:52] <kaddi> yeah, I've been reading the helpfiles of those two commands, but I can't find how I tell them to do the search recursively in the subfolders :s
[00:55] <duryodhan> kaddi: find is recursive by default
[00:56] <kaddi> duryodhan: oh ok. Thanks :)
[01:10] <et_> Does anyone know what the schedule is for the KDE 4.4 beta to be available in PPA (Karmic)?
[01:57] <cuznt> !grub2
[01:58] <Lancelot> Hi there everyone
[02:09] <Aison> hello, im trying to connect to an openvpn server with knetwork-manager
[02:09] <Aison> somehow I can enter all the openvpn things like keys, certs, etc...
[02:09] <Aison> but now no idea how to activate the connection itself
[02:27] <chrisp200> hello people
[02:27] <chrisp200> how is all?
[02:29] <BlueX> anyone know the command line for upgrading kubuntu to 4.3.4?
[02:30] <BlueX> ingwio, federico, know how to upgrade kde to 4.3.4?
[02:31] <federico> no idon`t
[02:31] <bazhang> BlueX, did you check the channel topic?
[02:32] <bazhang> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.4  <------ BlueX
[02:34] <BlueX> k, sorry
[02:34] <BlueX> also, I installed medibuntu but still no sound in youtube videos(also installed codecs)
[02:35] <BlueX> how to get sound in youtube?
[02:36] <chrisp200> im trying to install xammp right now and the directions say to login as the su
[02:36] <chrisp200> but my pw wont
[02:36] <chrisp200> work
[03:07] <Helsinkiii> hi
[03:07] <Helsinkiii> someone win me over. WHy should I switch to Kubuntu from ubuntu
[03:08] <cuznt> because it is kewl
[03:08] <cuznt> uber kewl
[03:08] <cuznt> ;)
[03:08] <cuznt> would yer cuznt lie to  you?
[03:09] <chrisp200> can someone help me install xammp?
[03:09] <cuznt> !xammp
[03:09] <cuznt> why do you want it?
[03:09] <chrisp200> the install directions say i have toi be the su but not sure how to do that
[03:09] <chrisp200> for shell scripting/cgi project for class
[03:10] <cuznt> ah you need to open up a konsole
[03:10] <chrisp200> yeah
[03:10] <cuznt> and use the install instructions but in kubuntu it is sudo no su
[03:10] <cuznt> for root
[03:11] <chrisp200> my root folder is red
[03:11] <chrisp200> means not writable>??
[03:11] <cuznt> only as root
[03:11] <cuznt> i dont think xammp works anymore
[03:11] <chrisp200> Extract the downloaded archive file to /opt:
[03:11] <chrisp200> tar xvfz xampp-linux-1.7.2.tar.gz -C /opt
[03:12] <chrisp200> prob need ubuntu
[03:12] <cuznt> i think xammp might be broken
[03:14] <cuznt> at least for kubuntu but dont take my word on it.
[03:14] <orion> I just downloaded flashplayer and its just a .so file, how to install it?
[03:15] <cuznt> you can dl the flash installer on kpackage and it is easier
[03:15] <cuznt> !flash
[03:16] <arghh2d2> isn't kubuntu just ubuntu with kde instead of windows?  anything that runs on gnome's ubuntu will run on kde's ubuntu and vice versa, amiright?
[03:16] <Helsinkiii> Why does KDE suck?
[03:16] <Helsinkiii> more specifically, why does it crash so often and hog memory?
[03:16] <arghh2d2> eye candy
[03:16] <cuznt> ive had no problems
[03:17] <arghh2d2> eye candy is like cotton candy, taste good for a second then its gone and has no substance
[03:18] <et_> Please specify, what does "hog memory" mean to you?
[03:18] <Helsinkiii> arghh2d2:you can say that about any candy
[03:18] <Helsinkiii> i mean, i just feel like a linux OS is supposed to be streamlined. KDE gives me a headache when i look at it
[03:18] <Helsinkiii> i can't focus
[03:19] <arghh2d2> Helsinkiii: gnome's not much better...tiling window managers are where its at...the only thing good about kde and gnome is their network/volume managers
[03:20] <chrisp200> stupid question coming....
[03:20] <Helsinkiii> tiling windows?what's that
[03:20] <chrisp200> how do i know what version of linux im using?
[03:20] <chrisp200> what version of kubuntu i mean
[03:21] <arghh2d2> chrisp200: uname -a i think
[03:21] <chrisp200> ty
[03:21] <Guest23648> cuznt, ok I installed the installer, now what?
[03:21] <et_> uname -a will give you the kernel version, but it won't tell you "Kubuntu 9.xx"
[03:21] <luis_> Hi! I'm new with Kubuntu 9.10 and I want to install my Movile Modem Sony Ericsson MD300 but I don't know how to do it. can you giveme any advise?
[03:22] <et_> luis_: is that a cell phone?
[03:23] <luis_> well is a kind of (it's just like a pendrive but works as a cell phone)
[03:23] <arghh2d2> Helsinkiii: window managers like dwm, awesome, rat poison etc... they utilize the entire screen and can be controlled entirely from the keyboard...helps you stay focused if you do alot of keyboard work...sucks for graphic work like gimp or ardour though
[03:23] <erghezi> i want to use animated theme for grub 2
[03:23] <erghezi> http://grub.gibibit.com/
[03:24] <Helsinkiii> Gimp is stupid
[03:24] <chrisp200> anyone know anything about installing appache?
[03:24] <et_> luis_: have you tried plugging it in? One of the strengths of Linux is the number of drivers built in.
[03:24] <chrisp200> gimp is actually not too bad
[03:25] <Helsinkiii> meh. i've used Photoshop forever , it's the industry standard, and i don't feel like learning anthing else
[03:25] <luis_> yes, but doesn't work
[03:25] <Helsinkiii> it's a waste of time
[03:25] <erghezi> is there any guide for  install animated theme on grub 2?
[03:25] <arghh2d2> chrisp200: i dont know how to get the kubuntu version... maybe apt-get with a certain flag and kde-desktop...
[03:25] <Helsinkiii> I hate how ubuntu doesn't have the equivalent of MS Paint
[03:26] <Guest23648> I have seen things crash in kubuntu
[03:26] <Guest23648> multiple times but updating it seems to help a lot
[03:26] <Guest23648> updating bug, security and kde files
[03:26] <arghh2d2> Helsinkiii: mtpaint is pretty close to ms paint
[03:27] <luis_> et_ I've found some clues at my internet provider, but I don't know how to use the terminal in root mode
[03:27] <arghh2d2> luis_: sudo xterm should open a new window in root mode
[03:28] <et_> a regular terminal is fine, just place "sudo" (without quotes) before every command
[03:28] <arghh2d2> luis_: or sudo konsole, gnome-terminal, terminator, urxvt, etc, etc...
[03:28] <luis_> ty
[03:29] <chrisp200> this seems good there is a kamp  kubuntu apache, myssql, and php
[03:29] <chrisp200> is this legit?
[03:29] <chrisp200> http://ejhildreth.com/node/18
[03:29] <arghh2d2> et_: that can get old pretty quick, good thing its fine for you though
[03:30] <et_> if there are a lot of commands, you can type "sudo su" to become root
[03:30] <arghh2d2> chrisp200: most likely legit apache mysql and php are usually lumped together on any webserver
[03:30] <luis_> et_: Ty, It worked
[03:30] <luis_> now I'll try to follow the steps I was given!
[03:30] <Orion777> is there a more stable distribution with kde?
[03:30] <chrisp200> awesome, ill give it a whirl...thankyou arghh2d2
[03:30] <et_> luis_: Excellent! I'm glad
[03:31] <Orion777> hmm, actually kubuntu has worked out very well for me, I'm still learning the command prompt though
[03:45] <arghh2d2> Orion777: PC Linux OS uses kde as its standard DE but i havent used it
[03:45] <Orion777> yes I was thinking about that one, and also linux mint which the newest version doesn't have kde yet
[03:46] <Orion777> I literally have kde looking like win 7 quality now but its more stable, secure, and faster
[03:46] <Orion777> it even has single icons for open programs instead of taskbars
[03:47] <arghh2d2> when my new system get's here i'll be trying pclos, they use the rolling release model...gotta love that
[03:52] <Orion777> whats rolling release?
[03:52] <Orion777> all I know is its still kde, the question is if its more stable
[03:52] <Orion777> or easier to use
[03:52] <arghh2d2> instead of updating once every six months like ubuntu's do...you update every day
[03:54] <arghh2d2> it's pretty stable in Arch linux's case, havent tried PCLOS yet
[03:55] <arghh2d2> linux has security updates here and there but the whole system upgrades only on april and october
[03:55] <arghh2d2> errr ubuntu i mean
[04:01] <Orion777> it seems by what I'm reading the pclos has older versions of kernel etc, not sure how I feel about that
[04:01] <Orion777> I'm really more interested in linux mint 8 kde version which will be out soon
[04:02] <Orion777> I think the problem is I'm not sure ubuntu is the best base for kde
[04:03] <arghh2d2> Orion777: well, afaik, linux mint is ubuntu
[04:06] <arghh2d2> i'm not worried about the kernel not being the latest greatest...if you get too close to the bleeding edge sh!t starts gettin buggy
[04:09] <Orion777> true
[04:10] <r00t_ninja> does anyone else get openoffice menus looking like: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3775/plasmadesktopxx1517.jpg
[04:13] <arghh2d2> r00t_ninja: thats pretty ugly
[04:14] <r00t_ninja> most of the stuff in options is like that and the fonts in open office dont look as good as other applications
[04:14] <Orion777> rootninja: my internet connection freezes randomly, do I need to upgrade my drivers?\
[04:15] <r00t_ninja> Orion777:  wireless?
[04:15] <Orion777> yeah
[04:16] <r00t_ninja> Orion777: check if there are any restricted drivers in the Hardware Drivers application available
[04:16] <Orion777> how
[04:16] <Orion777> when I run it only the video cards show up
[04:16] <r00t_ninja> click on the kmenu
[04:16] <r00t_ninja> there arnt any then
[04:16] <r00t_ninja> try deleting your connection
[04:17] <r00t_ninja> in knetworkmanager
[04:17] <r00t_ninja> and then making a new one
[04:17] <Orion777> k
[04:17] <Orion777> I'll do that later
[04:17] <r00t_ninja> ok
[04:20] <Orion777> isn't there tweak software for kde?
[04:22] <r00t_ninja> like?
[04:22] <Klett> do you mean ubuntu tweak?
[04:29] <Orion777> klett, does it work for kubuntu?
[04:31] <arghh2d2> Orion777: kubuntu is just ubuntu with KDE for the window manager...you can use anything in kubuntu that you can use in ubuntu, and vice versa and also use differnt window managers like icewm, openbox, fluxbox, pekwm, dwm, twm, etc..the list goes on and on...
[04:32] <Orion777> what are the advantage of other window managers
[04:32] <arghh2d2> Orion777: light weight, use less resources, free's up memory for processing
[04:33] <Orion777> k, I am trying to add widgets to taskbar and they show up as a red x..what does that mean
[04:33] <r00t_ninja> you are probably missing some dependincies
[04:34] <arghh2d2> Orion777: all that fading in and out and shadowing and general shinyness you see in kde uses alot of cpu and ram that some people would rather save
[04:34] <darkdelusions> Silly question I installed php mysql and apache however when i attemp to open my php file it trys to download it what am I doing wrong here
[04:34] <Orion777> rootninja, how to fix dependencies
[04:34] <r00t_ninja> Orion777: find the widget on kde look and it should say
[04:35] <Orion777> well I recently install kde 4.3.4 and all the updates and bug fixes but never restarted, is that the problem?
[04:35] <r00t_ninja> probably not
[04:35] <r00t_ninja> it could be though
[04:35] <Orion777> k, I mean none of the widgets are working
[04:35] <r00t_ninja> oh
[04:35] <r00t_ninja> it probably is then
[04:35] <Orion777> k I'll restart
[04:38] <darkdelusions> NM there we go I didnt restart apache
[04:46] <Guest36082> r00t_ninja: still there?
[04:46] <r00t_ninja> yes
[04:47] <Guest36082> I created a plain text file in .kde/autostart with nvidia-settings -l in it, it isn't working, where do I save the config file
[04:47] <Guest36082> err how
[04:47] <r00t_ninja> delete it
[04:47] <r00t_ninja> and then go into system settings
[04:47] <r00t_ninja> the advanced tab
[04:47] <r00t_ninja> autostart
[04:48] <r00t_ninja> then click add program
[04:49] <Guest36082> add the text file?
[04:49] <Guest36082> do I need to save an x config file first?
[04:49] <r00t_ninja> no
[04:49] <r00t_ninja> dont add the text file
[04:49] <r00t_ninja> click the browse icon
[04:50] <r00t_ninja> and then browse to /usr/bin/nvidia-settings
[04:52] <r00t_ninja> done?
[04:54] <Orion777> yes
[04:55] <Orion777> logout?
[04:57] <r00t_ninja> wait
[04:57] <r00t_ninja> ...
[04:58] <progmanos> hello
[05:00] <progmanos> will kubuntu include nepomuk tagging support in lucid lynx?
[05:16] <islington> progmanos: you can tag stuff in karmic
[05:17] <Orion111> everything is bugging out
[05:17] <islington> Orion111: really? with the soprano backend I had no problems
[05:17] <islington> it was a bit slow when it was indexing
[05:17] <Orion111> soprano?
[05:18] <Orion111> my notification windows won't even close anymore
[05:18] <Orion111> and I can't remove the sys tray
[05:18] <Orion111> brb
[05:18] <islington> Orion111: sorry I thougth you were talking about nepomuk
[05:20] <r00t_ninja> islington: its only usually slow the first time it indexes everything
[05:21] <islington> yup, also had the odd bug where I had to symlink the java something or other
[05:21] <r00t_ninja> i had that aswell
[05:21] <islington> what does the new backend do?
[05:21] <islington> virtuoso  I mean
[05:25] <Guest78992> this happens everytime, I install all the newest kubuntu files(updates,kde) and then everthing starts bugging out
[05:44] <Guest91316> I'm having trouble installing Kubuntu.
[05:46] <arghh2d2> and?
[05:46] <r00t_ninja> Guest91316: could you please describe your problem.
[05:48] <Guest91316> I have this old computer running Windows 2000.
[05:48] <Guest91316> And it fails to load wubi.exe
[05:49] <orion> :P
[05:50] <r00t_ninja> Orion7: are the nvidia settings restoring?
[05:50] <Orion7> it opens the actual settings window
[05:50] <Orion7> I just want the settings loaded
[05:51] <r00t_ninja> did you put /usr/bin/nvidia-settings -l
[05:51] <Orion7> when you had me put a text file in autostart before it worked..I put nvidia-settings -l in it, is that right?
[05:51] <r00t_ninja> you left before i could tell you to put the -l
[05:51] <Orion7> oh I'm supposed to add -l in the properties?
[05:51] <r00t_ninja> yes
[05:51] <Orion7> oh, ok, but how can it load if I never saved a config file
[05:51] <r00t_ninja> you will have to do that
[05:52] <r00t_ninja> just open up nvidia-settings
[05:52] <r00t_ninja> and adjust
[05:52] <Orion7> with kdesudo or sudo or neither?
[05:52] <r00t_ninja> neither
[05:52] <Orion7> when I say save x config file it says failed to parse to the file
[05:53] <Orion7> it says that when I try to save in any of the couple sections
[05:53] <r00t_ninja> Orion7: are you trying to adjust the resolution?
[05:54] <Orion7> no, digital vibrance, etc, and when I type nvidia-settings it loads it but then I'd have to close the window everytime so I want it to load the settings
[05:55] <r00t_ninja> ok here is how to fix it
[05:55] <r00t_ninja> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8111337&postcount=28
[05:59] <Guest91316> r00t_ninja, do you know anything about wubi.exe's compatibility with Windows 2000?
[05:59] <Guest91316> I read it was compatible, but it just doesn't run.
[05:59] <Guest91316> Nor does it autorun when I insert the cd.
[05:59] <Guest91316> I have to mount the image just for the computer to recognize the .iso.
[05:59] <r00t_ninja> what error do you get when you try to run it?
[05:59] <r00t_ninja> how did you burn the cd?
[06:00] <r00t_ninja> with an image burner?
[06:00] <Guest91316> I burned it with Ubuntu's Brasero
[06:00] <r00t_ninja> ok
[06:00] <Guest91316> When I click wubi, it doesn't give me a response.
[06:00] <Guest91316> It looks like it's loading something, but then stops, and nothing happens.
[06:01] <r00t_ninja> have you tried getting wubi from http://wubi-installer.org/ and running it?
[06:01] <Guest91316> Nope.
[06:01] <Guest91316> I
[06:01] <Guest91316> 'll try it.
[06:01] <r00t_ninja> ok
[06:01] <Guest91316> Should I replace it with the wubi in the .iso, or run it by itself?
[06:02] <r00t_ninja> just run it by itself
[06:03] <Guest91316> k.
[06:04] <Orion7> rootninja, how do I save to a root file with kate?
[06:04] <Orion7> or open one so I can see it for that matter
[06:05] <r00t_ninja> Orion7: open kate with kdesudo
[06:05] <Orion7> tried that
[06:05] <Orion7> still opens them as blank
[06:05] <Orion7> and rolls out a load of errors in the terminal before kate opens
[06:05] <r00t_ninja> what file are you opening?
[06:05] <Orion7> I have to copy the contents of the xconfig backup file to xconfig file
[06:06] <r00t_ninja> did you make a backup of it?
[06:06] <Orion7> the instructions in the order they're given in that link strangely do not work
[06:06] <r00t_ninja> what happens when you use nano from a terminal
[06:06] <Orion7> I just used the commands the link gave me, then it says to save and it once again gave the parse error
[06:06] <r00t_ninja> open up a terminal and run sudo nano /path/to/file/
[06:07] <Guest91316> I tried running the wubi.exe downloaded from the address you gave me, it gives the same effect as the one in the .iso
[06:07] <r00t_ninja> Orion7: have you run sudo nvidia-xconfig ?
[06:07] <r00t_ninja> Guest91316: they may have dropped support for windows 2000
[06:07] <Orion7> no
[06:07] <r00t_ninja> Orion7:make sure you run that
[06:08] <Guest91316> So, would there be no possible way for me to install Kubuntu?
[06:08] <r00t_ninja> Guest91316: a proper install
[06:08] <Guest91316> A proper install?
[06:08] <r00t_ninja> Guest91316: however are you sure your hardware will be able to handle kubuntu
[06:08] <r00t_ninja> Guest91316: boot off the cd
[06:09] <Guest91316> I hope so, lol.
[06:09] <Guest91316> That's the other thing.
[06:09] <Guest91316> I don't think this computer has the option to boot from a cd.
[06:10] <Guest91316> If it does, I can't find it.
[06:10] <r00t_ninja> most computers do
[06:10] <r00t_ninja> an old windows 98 computer i have can
[06:10] <r00t_ninja> what is the make/model
[06:11] <Guest91316> Just a sec
[06:11] <r00t_ninja> also if you font have atleast 512mb of ram i would suggest you dont try kubuntu
[06:11] <r00t_ninja> *dont
[06:12] <r00t_ninja> -.-
[06:13] <Guest91316> It's a Compaq Deskpro DP 4000
[06:13] <Guest91316> I believe
[06:13] <r00t_ninja> i think you press f10 to get into the bios options
[06:13] <Orion7> rootninja: for less 512mb or less wouldn't you recommend xubuntu?
[06:13] <r00t_ninja> also have you tried just haivng the cd in when you boot
[06:13] <r00t_ninja> Orion7: yes
[06:14] <Guest91316> I haven't tried.
[06:14] <Guest91316> And lol.
[06:14] <Guest91316> I might wanna try Xubuntu then.
[06:14] <Guest91316> I have next to 0 ram.
[06:14] <r00t_ninja> Guest91316:  crunchbang linux could be a good option
[06:14] <Guest91316> Crunchbang Linux and Xubuntu, I'll keep that in mind.
[06:15] <r00t_ninja> Ill be back later
[06:17] <o_a> I'm having a little problem with my 9.10: Firefox is segfaulting at startup
[06:17] <o_a> Any ideas?
[06:19] <o_a> Note: I updated it from 8.04
[06:25] <arghh2d2> o_a: i think your sposed to update 9.10 from 9.04, 9.04 from 8.10, and 8.10 from 8.,04
[06:25] <arghh2d2> etc etc...
[06:25] <Orion7> have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling it
[06:25] <o_a> arghh2d2: Nope. Directly from 8.04
[06:25] <o_a> Many times, Orion7
[06:26] <Orion7> I was having a prob with firefox and the person said type "rm -fr ~ /.mozilla" I kid you not..even though I know its correctly rm -fr ~/.mozilla
[06:27] <Orion7> o_a: do not type what I just said..please
[06:27] <arghh2d2> o_a: ok, you know better than i do...i'm just saying i've seen people say that you cant easily jump upgrade like that.
[06:27] <Orion7> arghh2d2, is there a way he can install 9.10 from scratch without losing his stuff?
[06:27] <o_a> This time I can, arghh2d2
[06:28] <arghh2d2> o_a: rm -fr ~/.mozilla is fine, do it
[06:28] <o_a> Let's see
[06:29] <Orion7> yes but it must be typed exactly that way
[06:29] <Orion7> I typed the other and it killed kubuntu permanently
[06:29] <arghh2d2> typed what Orion7?
[06:30] <o_a> What about "rm .mozilla -rf"?
[06:30] <arghh2d2> what killed kubuntu?
[06:30] <o_a> Either way, it didn't work
[06:30] <Orion7> typing rm -fr ~ /.mozilla killed kubuntu
[06:30] <arghh2d2> o_a: that will just fail, nothing will happen
[06:30] <o_a> "rm -fr ~" Ha ha
[06:30] <Orion7> can't have a space after the ~ ...lol
[06:31] <Orion7> oh well, I like clean installs anyway
[06:31] <o_a> You removed all your home directory
[06:31] <arghh2d2> Orion7: ahh
[06:31] <Orion7> uh huh, cause I'm a beginner at the linux command line
[06:31] <Orion7> I'm used to dos
[06:31] <oorah> i set up the best lookin theme i ever saw today :D
[06:31] <arghh2d2> dos is extremely inferior to linux cli
[06:32] <o_a> Segfault
[06:32] <o_a> :((
[06:32] <oorah> whats cli?
[06:32] <Orion7> I know but it what I started with 17 years ago cause that's where the games were
[06:32] <arghh2d2> CLI = Command Line Interface
[06:33] <oorah> oh i just call it command line
[06:33] <o_a> Oh well, I can live with that - using Opera
[06:33] <arghh2d2> Orion7: i hear ya
[06:33] <Orion7> o_a: good idea
[06:33] <oorah> i usually prefer gui
[06:33] <r00t_ninja> y not firefox?
[06:33] <Orion7> anyway, now I have kubuntu looking like Win 7..even the single icon open programs on taskbar
[06:33] <arghh2d2> oorah: cli i easier to type and alot of people use it
[06:34] <o_a> Because it is segfaulting, r00t_ninja
[06:34] <oorah> i use it too
[06:34] <r00t_ninja> try deleteing ~/.mozilla
[06:34] <o_a> It didn't work r00t_ninja
[06:35] <r00t_ninja> purging and then reinstalling it?
[06:35] <arghh2d2> o_a: try killall -9 firefox-bin
[06:35] <Orion7> o_a: you typed rm -fr ~/.mozilla?
[06:35] <arghh2d2> r00t_ninja: he just upgraded from 8.04 to 9.10 too
[06:36] <o_a> Yes, Orion7
[06:36] <oorah> i'll probably try out alpha 1 tomorrow and see if i discover any bugs
[06:36] <Orion7> I can't wait till 3.7 comes oout
[06:36] <oorah> thats really the only way i can give to the community lol i can't fix them so i just try to find them
[06:36] <Orion7> or whatever they're gonna call it
[06:36] <oorah> 3.7??
[06:37] <Orion7> its got built in transparency
[06:37] <o_a> firefox-bin isn't running, arghh2d2
[06:37] <arghh2d2> o_a: try running firefox now
[06:38] <arghh2d2> o_a: might wanna run firefox from the command line so you can see any error messages.
[06:38] <o_a> I'm already doing that, arghh2d2
[06:38] <Orion7> well from what I remember when 3.6 betas are over they might go to 3.7 or even soon to 4
[06:38] <o_a> That's how I get the segfault error
[06:38] <o_a> And, BOOM SEGFAULT
[06:39] <o_a> Again
[06:39] <Orion7> o_a: you can't backup your stuff and do a fresh install to 9.10?
[06:39] <o_a> No, too much work
[06:39] <arghh2d2> try r00t_ninja 's idea...purge and reinstall
[06:39] <Orion7> use opera then
[06:39] <oorah> i'm a 26 year old male that stayed home on a friday night cleaning lol
[06:40] <arghh2d2> oorah: wtf?  is that news?
[06:41] <oorah> not for me really lol its kinda typical really
[06:41] <oorah> news is i bought a 6.5' artificial tree for $10 last night :D
[06:42] <arghh2d2> oorah: nice...i like to keep it minimal myself
[06:42] <oorah> hence using Linux lol
[06:43] <oorah> minimal and ya get more
[06:44] <Orion7> I thought win 7 was pretty cool but kubuntu is better, I just had to get the hang of it
[06:44] <arghh2d2> yeah, i have no idea why i'm in #kubuntu
[06:44] <Orion7> the only thing I wonder is if there's a distribution of kde 4.3 that is more stable
[06:45] <Orion7> or if its just 4.3 itself that is unstable
[06:45] <oorah> i meant to type xubuntu lol sorry
[06:45] <o_a> Windows 7 is nothing but Vista with a nice taskbar
[06:45] <ke-> OK
[06:45] <ke-> Jeg har lavat prolvlemet
[06:45] <t0mt0m> can someone help me out with some audio problems?
[06:45] <oorah> i hated vista, i used it on 512 ram
[06:45] <ke-> Min bil holerder ude pp moterbejer
[06:45] <Orion7> actually win 7 loads faster, runs faster, and has less ram requirement
[06:45] <o_a> Yes, yes, and that too
[06:45] <Guest91316> Windows 2000 kind of sucks.
[06:45] <t0mt0m> I just updated to 9.10 and now flash items in firefox don't have sound and neither does xbmc
[06:46] <oorah> for resource usage windows 7 is kinda right between xp and vista
[06:46] <Orion7> but kubuntul, which is free, is bettter
[06:46] <t0mt0m> I tried updating xbmc to the newest but now it won't load at all
[06:46] <Orion7> although I do get more app crashes
[06:46] <t0mt0m> I think its a pulseaudio problem
[06:46] <Orion7> kubuntu does have more bugs than win 7 but I think its because of kde's newer versions
[06:47] <arghh2d2> i know one things for sure...i wouldnt touch any form of ubuntu 9.10 with a 40 foot poll.  i've seen more user issues the past couple months than any other version of ubuntu
[06:48] <Orion7> arg, then which version of kubuntu would you recomend? 9.04?
[06:48] <arghh2d2> Orion7: yes
[06:48] <o_a> No
[06:48] <Orion7> and would you recommend upgrading the kde package or leaving it alone?
[06:49] <Orion7> cause I have 9.10/4.3.4 now
[06:49] <o_a> Hell, no. It uses KDE 4.2, which is extremely outdated and buggy now
[06:49] <Orion7> so kubuntu 9.04 with kde 4.3.4 then
[06:50] <arghh2d2> Orion7: honestly i dont even use kde,  i actually came here because i'm thinking of running pclinuxos wich comes with kde so i thought i might learn something
[06:50] <o_a> Also, segfault
[06:50] <o_a> Orion7: No problems here and I'm using 9.10
[06:50] <Orion7> well, I have had numerous problems
[06:51] <Orion7> o_a: did you upgrade kde to 4.3.4?
[06:51] <o_a> Kubuntu 9.04 had a terrible KDE integration
[06:51] <o_a> No, not yet
[06:51] <Orion7> from what I've heard the kubuntu kde integration isn't that great
[06:51] <arghh2d2> Orion7: when you get the latest numbers your getting stuff thats not thoroughly tested sometimes...if you want stability maybe you should use kde 3.5
[06:52] <Orion7> arg, does it have the same feature set?
[06:52] <o_a> If you won't use Kubuntu 9.10, either use a KDE 3 Kubuntu version or don't use Kubuntu at all
[06:52] <arghh2d2> Orion7: it's pretty much the same apps and configuration without all the eyecandy
[06:52] <Orion7> I've been interested in pclinuxos also
[06:52] <Orion7> well I want trasnparancy
[06:53] <o_a> 9.10 is the first good KDE 4 Kubuntu version
[06:53] <o_a> Not, it is not, arghh2d2
[06:53] <arghh2d2> Orion7: pclos has a version called minime that uses a solid kde 3.5
[06:53] <Orion7> cool
[06:53] <arghh2d2> o_a: no what is not?
[06:53] <Orion7> is pclinuxos/kde more stable than kubuntu?
[06:54] <o_a> [03:52] <arghh2d2> Orion7: it's pretty much the same apps and configuration without all the eyecandy
[06:54] <Orion7> I don't know the stats but I've been interested in Moon OS and linux mint
[06:54] <arghh2d2> o_a: well go ahead and contend my statement then, dont just tell me its not
[06:55] <Orion7> Moon OS is based on ubuntu 9.04 but its brilliantly gorgeous(NOT kde)
[06:56] <Orion7> probably the most asthetic distribution there is
[06:56] <Orion7> so if ubuntu 9.04 is super to 9.10 then I should switch
[06:56] <o_a> It has a better performance (yes, it has)
[06:56] <arghh2d2> Orion7: my moms computer is crunchbang running on 9.04 and it rocks with no problems
[06:56] <Orion7> 9.04 has better performance?
[06:56] <o_a> No, KDE 4
[06:57] <Orion7> oh
[06:58] <o_a> Plasma makes things cool and better - integrated notifications system, integrated other stuff, plasmoids
[06:58] <arghh2d2> 9.10 sucks . PERIOD  whether or not kde 4 worked better on 9.10 or 9.04 is something you kde 4 users would know
[06:58] <o_a> Which includes device notifier
[06:59] <o_a> 9.04 fails, OK. But 9.10 is doing the job
[06:59] <Orion7> I think it is officially known(by people with experience) that 9.04 is superior to 9.10
[06:59] <arghh2d2> o_a fails lol
[07:00] <arghh2d2> everybody but o_a knows this
[07:00] <Orion7> o_a: you must be pretty good cause I have found kubuntu 9.10 pretty buggy
[07:00] <o_a> I must be lucky
[07:00] <Orion7> dunno
[07:00] <arghh2d2> o_a figures since 9.10 works fine on his computer it must be better than 9.04
[07:01] <Orion7> I do like fancy tasks though
[07:01] <arghh2d2> yeah, you got lucky
[07:01] <t0mt0m> hmm
[07:01] <Orion7> arg, do the widgets work in ubuntu?
[07:01] <t0mt0m> so uninstalling pulseaudio didn't help
[07:01] <o_a> Well, 9.04 had a poor integration with KDE 4
[07:01] <ath_> i'm not having any problems with 9.10 other than ati proprietary drivers not working and causing X to crash & be unusable until you uninstall them.
[07:01] <o_a> 9.10 don't
[07:01] <arghh2d2> Orion7: i dont know, i dont use kde remember?
[07:02] <arghh2d2> or widgets
[07:02] <o_a> I'm based on that
[07:03] <o_a> Also, KDE 4.3 is way better than 4.2
[07:03] <darkdelusions> ok i am so confused why is the pidgin facebook plugin install the nvidia-glx-185 and the 185 source
[07:03] <arghh2d2> maybe ubuntu will get wise to the rolling release model someday and avoid all this upgrade bs
[07:05] <ath_> maybe ati will stop sucking and get round to supporting their users on oses other than windows.
[07:07] <Orion7> I just which I new which version transparency started with
[07:07] <Orion7> wish I knew
[07:07] <Orion7> o_a: fine maybe kde 4.3 rules but the question is, what linux os is it best with
[07:08] <arghh2d2> your ati driver worked in 9.04 did it not?
[07:08] <o_a> I like it on Arch, Orion777
[07:08] <arghh2d2> Orion777: everything can just about handle transparency...pseudo transp anyhow
[07:08] <arghh2d2> which is the only useful transparency
[07:09] <o_a> But, for historical reasons, I'm keeping this computer with Kubuntu
[07:10] <arghh2d2> kde 3 can handle at the very least pseudo transparency
[07:10] <Orion777> I can impliment in ubuntu?
[07:10] <Orion777> and what about widgets
[07:10] <Orion777> plasma widgets rather
[07:10] <o_a> I think only Plasma runs plasmoids
[07:11] <denali> How do you resolve "ALSA lib pcm.c:7234:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured"?
[07:11] <arghh2d2> Orion777: i dont know what plasma and widgets are honestly but there is some eyecandy to be had in gnome aka "ubuntu"
[07:15] <kindofabuzz> i have a ubuntu sever i'd like to conver to kubuntu. would i be better off formatting and installing or just install kubuntu-desktop?
[07:16] <Orion777> I just want a linux release that is very stable but isn't ugly
[07:16] <kindofabuzz> Orion777: you can make it look like anything you want
[07:16] <Orion777> make what look like?
[07:16] <kindofabuzz> the distro
[07:17] <Orion777> oh, kubuntu?
[07:17] <kindofabuzz> whatever, you said stable but not ugly
[07:17] <kindofabuzz> stable go with debian
[07:17] <Orion777> yes, but I want a release more stable than kubuntu
[07:17] <o_a> Debian
[07:17] <t0mt0m> so apt-get remove pulseaudio didn't actually get rid of it :-/
[07:17] <kindofabuzz> google is your friend
[07:18] <o_a> If you don't mind the old packages, Debian stable
[07:20] <r00t_ninja> Orion777: you should consider opensuse or mandriva
[07:20] <r00t_ninja> or wait until the lts\
[07:20] <Orion777> yes, I was thinking about mandriva
[07:21] <Orion777> rootninja, you with kde or without?
[07:21] <Orion777> mean
[07:22] <r00t_ninja> with kde
[07:22] <Orion777> so kde isn't inherantly buggy?
[07:22] <r00t_ninja> no
[07:22] <bradpitt> no
[07:22] <Orion777> cause I get app crashes and all kinds of things in kubuntu
[07:23] <Orion777> widgets not working right, all kinds of stuff
[07:23] <r00t_ninja> the next lts of kubuntu should be fairly solid
[07:23] <r00t_ninja> these releases are more testing versions
[07:23] <Orion777> k, when will the next one be out
[07:24] <Orion777> rootninja, you mean ubuntu 9.10 is also kind of a test version?
[07:24] <r00t_ninja> yes
[07:24] <Orion777> k, now it makes sense
[07:25] <Orion777> is kde more stable in 9.04?
[07:25] <r00t_ninja> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will be realeased ~ 29 april 2009
[07:25] <bradpitt> i disagree, i think there
[07:25] <arghh2d2> its not lts
[07:26] <r00t_ninja> arghh2d2: 10.04 is lts
[07:26] <Orion777> its just I assume ubuntu is more stable than kubuntu
[07:26] <r00t_ninja> yes
[07:26] <r00t_ninja> it gets a bit more attention
[07:26] <arghh2d2> r00t_ninja: i was in agreement with you, bad timing
[07:26] <r00t_ninja> oh ok
[07:27] <arghh2d2> ubuntu using gnome draws alot on debian develepment i imagine
[07:36] <Orion777> rootninja: would you recommend pclinuxos?
[07:58] <Cappy> ok folks, ive been using kubuntu on my modest spec laptop for a while now and its just been getting slower, i installed from a fresh image but the laptop is un-usable slow.
[07:59] <Cappy> any suggestions on speeding things up before i whack windows back on the machine?
[07:59] <Tm_T> Cappy: do look what uses your resources, like cpu and ram
[07:59] <arghh2d2> Cappy: dont go back to windows just because kde runs slow on an old machine
[08:00] <Cappy> its not that old a machine, 1.6ghz dual core with 2gb ram! it shouldnt be like that!
[08:00] <arghh2d2> Cappy: theres tons of window managers designed to run on older hardware and kde is definitely NOT one of em...quite the oposite
[08:00] <Tm_T> Cappy: see what I said
[08:00] <Tm_T> arghh2d2: untrue
[08:01] <arghh2d2> Tm_T: puhleeaaze
[08:01] <Cappy> Tm_T, there is SFA running from a clean boot and its still no good
[08:01] <arghh2d2> kde is bloat
[08:02] <Tm_T> Cappy: SFA ?
[08:02] <Cappy> ive tried a few other window managers (lxde was a good mix of looks and usability) but im over the distro hopping, i just wanna USE the machine
[08:02] <Cappy> SFA = sweet F all.
[08:03] <Tm_T> Cappy: ok, see what uses your ram and cpu
[08:03] <Cappy> ok, im giving it a clean reboot now
[08:04] <Cappy> what do i punch into the terminal to check resource usage?
[08:04] <arghh2d2> Cappy: well fix kde if you can, you got the hardware.  if you want something lighter it's available.
[08:05] <arghh2d2> top
[08:05] <arghh2d2> htop
[08:06] <Tm_T> arghh2d2: his hardware is way more than enough for KDE
[08:06] <Tm_T> so it's not about hardware, or atleast shouldn't be
[08:07] <t0mt0m> erk
[08:07] <Cappy> using 223 mb of ram and 3.2% of one core.
[08:07] <t0mt0m> this pulse audio bs is driving me nuts
[08:07] <Tm_T> Cappy: so then it's not that, what exactly is slow?
[08:08] <Cappy> Tm_T, EVERYTING
[08:08] <arghh2d2> Tm_T: thanks but i said that
[08:08] <Cappy> page loading while browsing the web (its the render, not the connection, all the other machines (all windows) are fine)
[08:08] <Tm_T> Cappy: other apps draws slowly too?
[08:08] <Cappy> yeah
[08:09] <Cappy> something to do with X maybe?
[08:09] <Tm_T> Cappy: ok, what kind of graphics card you have?
[08:09] <Tm_T> Cappy: sounds like it
[08:09] <Tm_T> arghh2d2: and yet you say that "lighter" would help (:
[08:09] <Cappy> radeon mobility 200x (from memory)
[08:10] <arghh2d2> Tm_T: yeah, i said that before he spec'd his system
[08:10] <Cappy> Xpress 200M
[08:10] <Tm_T> Cappy: hmm, try this: press alt+shift+f12
[08:10] <Cappy> Tm_T, whats supposed to happen? because i got nothing
[08:11] <Tm_T> Cappy: it should temporary turn off desktop effects if you have those on
[08:11] <Cappy> nope, i dont run any desktop effects.
[08:15] <Cappy> so no ideas?
[08:20] <Tm_T> Cappy: yes, run this in konsole: glxinfo | grep -i direct
[08:22] <Cappy> 'direct rendering: Yes'
[08:24] <Tm_T> Cappy: hmmmmmm, interesting
[08:24] <ath_> anyone know anything about ati proprietary drivers breaking X in 9.10 karmic koala yet?
[08:25] <Tm_T> Cappy: do "kwin --version" and see kde version from there please
[08:26] <Cappy> 'kde 4.3.2'
[08:27] <Tm_T> Cappy: and you have slowness in every single app, menu, everything?
[08:27] <Cappy> pretty much.
[08:27] <Tm_T> Cappy: and you have not changed any settings yet? and you have installed all updates available?
[08:28] <Cappy> ive changed settings, its a clean reboot, not a clean install. but nothings been changed other then a screen res and some wifi settigns etc.
[08:30] <Taggnostr> hello
[08:32] <Taggnostr> while I was doing something with the terminal the mouse cursor turned in a big "+" and now it's not working anymore, any idea about how can I get it back?
[08:36] <master_> привет
[08:37] <bazhang> !ru | master_
[08:52] <grilledcheese> hello
[09:04] <meowbuntu> cheeko, i dint use kubuntu
[09:04] <cheeko> meowbuntu: i know
[09:04] <Vamp898> he wants to take you over to kubuntu xD
[09:04] <meowbuntu> and y here then
[09:05] <meowbuntu> cheeko, if i cant run ubuntu properly then kubuntu wont even work either. the base is the problem
[09:06] <Vamp898> meowbuntu whats your problem with (k)ubuntu
[09:07] <cheeko>  pentium 4 with 768mb ram and 1.8mhz cpu. is meowbuntu config
[09:07] <meowbuntu> got pentium 4 with 768mb ram and 1.8mhz cpu.  other things that also happen when i try to play music it plays ok for few minuts then cpu maxes out and sound stops while player counter speeds up or and jumpy music etc
[09:08] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, i dont use kubuntu just ubuntu
[09:08] <Vamp898> meowbuntu does /var/log/messages say something?
[09:09] <meowbuntu> dont know Vamp898
[09:09] <Vamp898> meowbuntu risk a look ;)
[09:10] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, thats a long file what am i looking for exactly
[09:10] <Orion777> would you guys recommend against the 64bit install of kubuntu?
[09:10] <Vamp898> tail -n 500
[09:10] <Vamp898> and paste it (on pastebin.com or somewhere else)
[09:10] <Vamp898> Orion777 i dont like 64bit at all
[09:11] <Orion777> whats different?
[09:12] <Vamp898> needs a bit more memory
[09:12] <Vamp898> and is a bit slower (in my oppinion)
[09:12] <Vamp898> but it supports more memory
[09:12] <Vamp898> 32bit with PAE supports only up to 64GB RAM
[09:13] <Vamp898> and not all applications are for 64bit
[09:13] <Orion777> 64bit uses more memory and is slower?
[09:13] <Vamp898> i think its slower beceause it uses more memory
[09:14] <Orion777> oh
[09:15] <Vamp898> but some say that a kernel with PAE Support is slower than a normal kernel
[09:15] <Vamp898> and a normal kernel only supports up to 3,5 GB Memory
[09:15] <Vamp898> but i did nevery seen any speed difference between with/without PAE
[09:15] <Vamp898> *never
[09:16] <llutz> you might measure that performance loss, not really "feel"
[09:16] <Orion777> all I know is kubuntu 9.10 on my system has a lot of bugs
[09:16] <avihay_> me three
[09:16] <Orion777> hehe
[09:17] <meowbuntu> hold on pastbin for you comming up Vamp898
[09:17] <Orion777> so I keep wondering if one of the other kde distributions is more stable
[09:17] <Orion777> I mean like opensuse or mandriva or linux mint etc
[09:17] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, http://pastebin.com/d6328efe0
[09:17] <Vamp898> lol opensuse or mandriva
[09:17] <Vamp898> dont try worse distribution
[09:17] <Vamp898> think about better xD
[09:17] <Vamp898> like Chakra
[09:17] <llutz> distro-bashing sucks
[09:18] <Vamp898> every distribution have its pros and cons
[09:18] <Vamp898> Chakra is not this userfriend as Kubuntu
[09:18] <Vamp898> but its about 100times faster and it just works. so its on you to decide^^
[09:19] <Vamp898> meowbuntu was your last restart a normal restart or a freeze?
[09:19] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, what cli command to see what version if ubuntu i have it shuld be i386 not 64 for my comp
[09:20] <llutz> meowbuntu: uname -m
[09:20] <Vamp898> meowbuntu you can see the kernel version with uname -a. The ubuntu version, im not sure with that, i think something in /etc
[09:20] <llutz> meowbuntu: lsb_release -a
[09:20] <Orion777> chakra is less buggy than kubuntu?
[09:20] <meowbuntu> if by freeze you mean hang on startup or fschk no it was normal. i know that
[09:20] <Vamp898> Charka is just Archlinux with preinstalled KDE and some tools for GUI Configuration
[09:21] <binarylooks> (chakra user bashing on kubuntu in kubuntu channel, hmmm....)
[09:21] <meowbuntu> ah i have i686 version is that still ok. it has alwaus been i386 in past
[09:21] <Vamp898> i dont like chakra personally^^ but if someone asks for a better thing than kubuntu and thinks on opensuse/mandrive......... lol xD
[09:21] <ath_> alright, odd; i was just watching an embedded video in firefox using mozilla-mplayer, was working perfectly; Then the machine froze and had to hard reboot, now, mplayer plugin still plays video fine, but theres NO audio whatsoever. Sound works fine in everything else though..?
[09:22] <Vamp898> meowbuntu do you use nvidia?
[09:22] <meowbuntu> everthing was working fine after a week of use then i deciced to update thats when my problems started
[09:23] <meowbuntu> yes nvide graphics
[09:23] <meowbuntu> i have an nvidia graphics card
[09:24] <Vamp898> you say notebook?
[09:24] <Vamp898> *i mena, you use a notebook?
[09:24] <meowbuntu> no i have a desktop Vamp898
[09:24] <Vamp898> does your nvidia supports frequncy scaling?
[09:25] <meowbuntu> not sure y?? is this relevent to my computer hangup
[09:25] <Vamp898> yes
[09:25] <Vamp898> i had a nVidia
[09:25] <Vamp898> And my Desktop freezed when the frequency scaled down
[09:25] <Vamp898> i had 3 scale steps
[09:25] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, i have been running linux mint and ubuntu fine its just the latest ubuntu 9.10 thats playing up
[09:26] <Vamp898> when i played a game it was at sacale 2 (the third, you know. 0 1 2)
[09:26] <Vamp898> when i was finished with the game and the nvidia go down to sacale 0, sometimes it frozen
[09:26] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, its happening when i oopen more than one app usually
[09:26] <Vamp898> it worked after i used a gimmick which disabled auto-frequency-scaling
[09:27] <Vamp898> meowbuntu Ubuntu uses compiz-fusion by default so with opening an app the "fade" effect does his turn
[09:27] <meowbuntu> ok Vamp898 its worth a try what do i do
[09:27] <Vamp898> start nvidia-config and watch if your card support scaling
[09:28] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, i have turned off desktop effects it conflicts with some apps and can cause hangups i have done that since i started using linux. with mint 6 onwards
[09:28] <meowbuntu> where nvida config
[09:28] <Vamp898> Alt + F2 --> nvidia-config
[09:28] <llutz> nvidia-settings
[09:28] <meowbuntu> nvida x server settings is that it
[09:28] <Vamp898> oh yes sorry
[09:29] <Vamp898> my nvidia times are about 1year back xD
[09:30] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, i am not sure how to tell if it supports freq settings
[09:31] <Vamp898> meowbuntu click on PowerMizer
[09:31] <Vamp898> OpenOffice.org takes so long to compile :(
[09:31] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, that not there in nvida x serber settings window
[09:32] <Vamp898> meowbuntu can you do a screenshot?
[09:35] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, http://imagebin.org/75209
[09:35] <Vamp898> ah no your graphic card is to old for frequency scaling
[09:36] <Vamp898> seems to be an other error
[09:36] <ath_> alright, odd; i was just watching an embedded video in firefox using mozilla-mplayer, was working perfectly; Then the machine froze and had to hard reboot, now, mplayer plugin still plays video fine, but theres NO audio in firefox whatsoever. Sound works fine in everything else though.. any ideas?
[09:37] <Vamp898> (k)ubuntu users have quite mysterious problems
[09:37] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, i do not use kubuntu for my head
[09:37] <meowbuntu> i cant get used to kde is all
[09:37] <Vamp898> meowbuntu i use my brain for my head xD
[09:38] <meowbuntu> lol point
[09:38] <Vamp898> meowbuntu thats why i written (k)ubuntu and not kubuntu
[09:38] <meowbuntu> ah
[09:39] <meowbuntu> i am pritty sure even if i was using kubuntu i would still have same problems. as the base of both is exactly same.
[09:39] <meowbuntu> so what now any more suggestions
[09:40] <Vamp898> meowbuntu it could be a GNOME problem, but i dont hink that. im still watching the message from you
[09:40] <cheeko> meowbuntu: you can always try edubuntu
[09:40] <Vamp898> meowbuntu yes or you can try Microsoft Windows xD jokes by side
[09:41] <meowbuntu> cheeko, really y would that be different
[09:41] <Vamp898> meowbuntu could you do a system freeze, restart and than send me a again your /var/log/messages with tail -n 200
[09:41] <Vamp898> *2000
[09:42] <meowbuntu> not windozzy not on your life. i'm not paying ripp of prices for a legal copy of xp that is now an old outdated os
[09:43] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, you want me to try freeze my computer  again then reboot or crashboot it
[09:43] <Vamp898> yes
[09:43] <Vamp898> and then send me your /var/log/messages
[09:43] <Vamp898> but use tail -n 2000 for it^^ not cat
[09:43] <Vamp898> the last 2000 lines are enough for me
[09:43] <meowbuntu> Vamp898, yes to reboot or yes to crashboot
[09:43] <Vamp898> crashboot
[09:43] <Vamp898> when you system freezes, i dont think you can reboot normally
[09:44] <meowbuntu> my system only freezes for 0.5 sec or longer not to bad but annoying when it happening heaps
[09:45] <meowbuntu> in a row
[09:45] <Vamp898> ah
[09:45] <Vamp898> it does not freeze completely?
[09:45] <t0mt0m_> I cannot for the life of me bypass pulseaudio
[09:45] <Vamp898> then give me tail -n 500 after the next freeze
[09:52] <ath_> i was just watching an embedded video in firefox using mozilla-mplayer, was working perfectly; Then the machine froze and had to hard reboot, now, mplayer plugin still plays video fine, but theres NO audio in firefox whatsoever. Sound works fine in everything else though.. any ideas?
[09:54] <Orion777> is kubuntu 9.04 much more stable than 9.10?
[09:54] <Vamp898> depends on definition of stable
[09:54] <Orion777> less crashes and glitches
[09:55] <Orion777> although I am using 64bit version
[09:55] <Vamp898> thats not from interest
[09:55] <Orion777> anyway my understanding is that 9.10 is not ready for release
[09:55] <Vamp898> for me GNOME 2.28 is a bit more stable than GNOME 2.26
[09:56] <Orion777> 9.10 is more stable for you?
[09:57] <Vamp898> i said GNOME 2.28 is for me more stable than GNOME 2.26
[09:57] <Vamp898> and the guys i installed Ubuntu did not told me yet that something crashed
[09:57] <Orion777> I'm talking about ubuntu
[09:57] <Orion777> kubuntu
[09:57] <Orion777> I mean
[09:57] <Vamp898> oh Kubuntu
[09:57] <Vamp898> Yes sure
[09:57] <Vamp898> KDE 4.3 is much more stable
[09:58] <Vamp898> KDE 4.2 was a bit messy and the KDE which was with Kubuntu 9.04 was the hell
[09:58] <Orion777> how is that possible when kubuntu 9.10 is the least stable os I've used in many years
[09:58] <Orion777> is it cause I'm using 64bit?
[09:59] <Vamp898> what is unstable on you?
[09:59] <llutz> Orion777: 9.10 problems doesn't seem to depend on architecture, 32bit users are whining too
[10:00] <Orion777> llutz, and what I'm wondering is if 9.04 would clear most of this up
[10:00] <Vamp898> what for problems are there in kubuntu?
[10:00] <llutz> Orion777: try it, even 9.04 (and all recent releases) had their glitches
[10:01] <Vamp898> i was suprised about KDE 4.3. Konqueror finally can handle Java Applets again. The only thing that does not work properly is Kopete
[10:01] <Orion777> I have widget freezes and bugs or won't close, app crashes sometimes, networking problems
[10:02] <Vamp898> Ö_Ö
[10:02] <Orion777> and if it isn't cause I'm using 64bit then I don't think the release is ready
[10:02] <Vamp898> The funniest thing on Kubuntu is the installer xD
[10:03] <Vamp898> it needs about 40 Minutes until he begins to install beceause he needs 5 minute to react on your clicks xD
[10:03] <Vamp898> Some guys are joking that even compiling is faster xD
[10:22] <ath_> how can i check and or change the default sound device?
[10:24] <ath_> also, does kubuntu 9.10 use alsa as default?
[10:30] <meowbuntu> hi i'm back you still here
[10:31] <meowbuntu> Vamp898,
[10:32] <meowbuntu> Vamp898,
[10:42] <pucko-> ath_, you can change it in system settings -> multimedia. and yes, I believe it uses alsa as default
[10:43] <ath_> yeah, seen that pucko-, just having some problems, some applications have sound, whereas some don't.. such as amarok, dragon player do, firefox, vlc don't
[10:43] <ath_> firefox was working 2 reboots ago though..
[10:44] <pucko-> oh :(
[10:44] <ath_> i get the feeling that, as i'm getting no errors, they may be trying to use the HDA ATI HDMI chipset that's stuck on my gfx card.
[10:44] <ath_> yeah pucko-, it was working fine, then froze so i had to hard reboot, and now its messed up
[10:46] <ath_> trying to figure out how i can remove the useless hdmi one.
[11:08] <meowbuntu> "█▄▄ ███ █▄▄ ▀▄█▄▀ █▄█ ▀█▀"
[11:15] <Bragex9> what is the main difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[11:15] <ath_> does kubuntu 9.10 use pulseaudio?
[11:15] <ath_> Bragex9, kubuntu uses kde.
[11:16] <Bragex9> hmmm ok
[11:17] <Bragex9> If I have problems with nvidia and screen resolution under ubuntu, will I get the same problems under kubuntu?
[11:24] <Guest40091> I have nvidia and I don't have problems with it
[11:28] <g3nt3lg1ant> hello
[11:29] <cheeko> hola g3nt3lg1ant
[11:29] <cheeko> any help g3nt3lg1ant
[11:29] <g3nt3lg1ant> hola como estas
[11:30] <g3nt3lg1ant> hola como estas ,cheeko
[11:31] <cheeko> sustantivo
[11:32] <Mitch> Does the latest Kubuntu alpha use Plymouth?
[11:32] <Mamarok> !es | g3nt3lg1ant
[11:33] <Mamarok> Mitch: what is Plymouth?
[11:33] <Mamarok> Mitch: also, questions about Lucid should go to #ubuntu+1
[11:34] <Mitch> Mamarok: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5Mw
[11:34] <g3nt3lg1ant> can anyone help me to get my sound working????
[11:34] <Guest40091> kf
[11:34] <cheeko> yes g3nt3lg1ant
[11:35] <Mamarok> Mitch: why do you ask then? Since the underlying structire is the same for both Gnome and KDE, and again, Lucid questions belong to #ubuntu+1
[11:35] <Mamarok> structure*, sorry
[11:35] <r00t_ninja> g3nt3lg1ant: have you made sure all the right channels are unmuted?
[11:35] <g3nt3lg1ant> yeah
[11:35] <r00t_ninja> ok , go into system settings
[11:36] <Mamarok> g3nt3lg1ant: the hidden ones, too?
[11:36] <r00t_ninja> then the multimedia section
[11:36] <Mitch> Mamarok: 'cause I know that GDM and Plymouth "play nice", but I don't know about KDM or whatever working with it.
[11:36] <Mamarok> Mitch: for the third time, please ask in #ubuntu+1, that doesn not belong here :)
[11:37] <Mitch> Mamarok: "why do you ask then?" <-- I was answering your question.
[11:37] <Guest40091> l
[11:53] <Arminius> hello
[12:08] <polyculture> hey, I'm trying out kubuntu 10.4 alpha1 in virtualbox. Kubuntu presents me the kdm login screen, but I don't know the login and can't find it on the web.
[12:08] <polyculture> can anyone help?
[12:08] <Tm_T> polyculture: you uses some readymade image or you did install it?
[12:09] <polyculture> Tm_T: its the amd64 live image I booted, didn't install it
[12:09] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm looking for a PPA which maintains qt 4.6 packages
[12:10] <Tm_T> polyculture: nothing was provided along the image?
[12:11] <polyculture> Tm_T: no, it just says "Welcome to ubuntu" and the date at the lower right. it's the standard kdm theme you know from 9.10
[12:12] <Tm_T> polyculture: try "ubuntu" for user and password, or "kubuntu"
[12:12] <polyculture> Tm_T: i tried ubuntu/ubuntu and linux/linux
[12:12] <Tm_T> if it's not that, then I don't know
[12:13] <polyculture> it just turned out you can login in with  "ubuntu" and ""
[12:13] <polyculture> ;-)
[12:13] <Tm_T> awww
[12:13] <polyculture> awesome
[12:14] <polyculture> Tm_T: thanks anyway :-)
[12:15] <Tm_T> polyculture: have fun with alpha (:
[12:15] <Tm_T> cumulus007: you want reliable source or "any source" ?
[12:20] <cumulus007> Tm_T: reliable is preffered of course, but any source is fine if there is no reliable source available :)
[12:20] <cumulus007> *preferred
[12:21] <Tm_T> cumulus007: I don't know any "official" source if you are on Karmic, but I think there's several ppas with it, though cannot remember right now which ones
[12:22] <cumulus007> Tm_T: well that's the problem, I cannot find any ppa featuring qt 4.6
[12:25] <Ranarama> I just removed the thing that shows all the programs in the panel, how do I get it back?
[12:25] <cumulus007> Ranarama: unlock your widgets, right-click on the panel and choose Add Widgets
[12:25] <cumulus007> then, drag the Task Manager from the list onto your panel
[12:26] <Tm_T> cumulus007: launchpad should have search for that, though I typically fail to find it (:
[12:26] <Ranarama> cumulus007: Ok, that worked, thanks
[12:26] <a131> hello.
[12:26] <cumulus007> Ranarama: you're welcome :)
[12:27] <cumulus007> Tm_T: hehe yeah, Launchpad's search is not that good
[12:27] <a131> does anybody use evolution on kde? (kubuntu 9.10)
[12:29] <cumulus007> Tm_T: woohoo, found one
[12:29] <cumulus007> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/qt-updates
[12:29] <Tm_T> a131: just ask what you really are going to ask (:
[12:31] <cumulus007> Tm_T: would it be wise to back-up my current Qt install in case KDE doesn't boot anymore?
[12:31] <cumulus007> I'm thinking of downloading the qt4 debs from the ubuntu repository to my Downloads folder
[12:31] <a131> i cannot open attachments in evolution. it says: "i do not know what application to use to open your attachment file". :)
[12:32] <Tm_T> cumulus007: if you like, but you can go back anyway, just bit forcing (and may get ugly)
[12:32] <cumulus007> Tm_T: I'm not that good with dpkg
[12:33] <a131> where is it possible to set applications to file type in evolution?
[12:34] <a131> should i install some packages of gnome for this?
[12:36] <Tm_T> a131: unfortunately I do not know, perhaps #ubuntu has people who does know it though (:
[13:04] <tilly> Salut à tous!
[13:12] <marcreichelt> hi there!
[13:12] <marcreichelt> could it be that the 'iwlagn' driver is unstable?
[13:13] <marcreichelt> I couldn't connect to my wireless network anymore, so I ran 'modprobe -r iwlagn' and 'modprobe iwlagn' and it worked again
[13:15] <Felix-> marcreichelt: mmm it sounds like a driver problem yes
[13:18] <marcreichelt> Felix-: do you know about others who have the same problem? Or do you have a tip for me what I can do to help others in fixing the problem?
[13:18] <Felix-> marcreichelt: no i am sorry
[13:18] <martin_> Hallo
[13:18] <Felix-> but i suggest you to seach on google : linux database wifi
[13:21] <marcreichelt> hmm, kay
[13:22] <marcreichelt> I think I might wait for the upgrade to 10.04
[13:23] <marcreichelt> thanks, Felix-
[13:28]  * arsad
[13:28] <SiVA_> having trouble connecting to mysql remotely, so I did a netstat on the server and it says "STREAM     LISTENING     18011    /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock". Shouldn't that 18011 be 3306?
[13:32] <NoobCp> Good thing my computer broke on me. Tried installing Kubuntu instead of using the live CD, hasn't frozen since but insists I don't have a wireless card, nor does it find my LAN when I wire up
[13:35] <Felix-> NoobCp: ?
[13:36] <NoobCp> Well my Kubuntu related problem is I can'ttell why the LAN ain't connecting automatically, It used to during live sessions IIRC
[13:36] <SiVA_> when I do netstat -an | grep "LISTEN " , it says for mysql 3306: <IP_ADDRESS>:3306          <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[13:36] <Felix-> NoobCp: wow here no problem at all
[13:37] <SiVA_> how do I get that to look like: <IP_ADDRESS>:3306                <IP_ADDRESS>:*                   LISTEN ?? I want that 3306 open
[13:37] <Felix-> NoobCp: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[13:38] <liopis> sveiki ar imanoma atstatyt failus istrintus ubuntuose?
[13:38] <liopis> per ziopluma sumeciau i siuksline ir istryniau
[13:39] <liopis> o kai susiziurejau reikiama info buvo...
[13:41] <NoobCp> should something happen following this?
[13:41] <Felix-> NoobCp: that restart lan connection for sure
[13:42] <NoobCp> The icon on taskbar tells me network management disabled
[13:58] <Walzmyn> I can't get krunner to do any of it's fancy functions: spell check, calculator, etc
[13:59] <Walzmyn> Nevermind. After fooling wiht it for 2 days, it just occured to me to turn the spelling off and back on. Now it's working
[14:04] <SiVA_> when I ssh to my server, it says "ubuntu@ip-10-212-238-323". How do I change the ip-10-212-238-323 part?
[14:19] <simion314> hi, when i booted i get a message tat a sound device was removed from my laptop(i made no hardware change) i ignored this message because the sound works (in system in youtube etc_ but now i found that in amarok is not working, it works in vlc
[14:19] <simion314> any ideea? amarok is not muted and sound level is to maximum
[14:30] <BluesKaj> simion314, firsy cranking the sound to max won't help , but you may blast your speakers when you do get sound ..amarok could be missing the codec you are trying to play
[14:33] <simion314> BluesKaj: no is not the codecks, found a post in the forums,reading it ow, i can tell you if i fix it if you are interested
[14:34] <BluesKaj> simion314, yes, but I use vlc , the new amarok just isn't my cuppa tea
[14:34] <BluesKaj> it will help others who have the same problem, if you post your fix
[14:35] <islington> Close all media programs.
[14:35] <islington> Delete:
[14:35] <islington> /home/user/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[14:35] <islington> /home/user/.xine
[14:35] <islington> Restart Amarok.
[14:35] <FloodBotK1> islington: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:35] <islington> that might work
[14:36] <simion314> islington: thx i will tryu it
[14:36] <simion314> BluesKaj: i like the lyrics plugin in amarok, you tried qmms?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> no
[14:37] <simion314> it is a qt4 player
[14:40] <simion314> islington: your solution was not working
[14:41] <islington> :/
[14:41] <simion314> when i started amarok a notification poped uip, where i can read it? it disapeared to fast
[14:41] <islington> do you have mp3 packages installed?
[14:41] <Vinleg> ah ya, i dont really get the lyrics plugin, it doesnt show any lines, how does it work?
[14:41] <simion314> 1i installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:42] <simion314> it worked fine
[14:42] <islington> do you get sound from say dragon?
[14:42] <simion314> but when i booted today i get the message that i removed a sound device, i do not touch my laptop hardware
[14:42] <simion314> and sound works fine in other apps
[14:42] <islington> hmm
[14:43] <islington> simion314: do alt+f2 and type in multimedia
[14:43] <islington> test the sound devices?
[14:45] <simion314> i got pulse audio and other device but the last is grayed/disabled
[14:45] <islington> when you click test do you get sound on pulse?
[14:47] <simion314> islington: i get just a notification when i tested pulse audio,but it disapeared ,it begins with The pulse audio ...
[14:47] <simion314> if i test again nothing happens
[14:48] <islington> the pulseaudio seems to be your problem I think
[14:48] <islington> ...and yet all your other apps are getting sound
[14:48] <islington> hmm
[14:48] <simion314> the other device that is disabled is the problem i think, it was disabled somehow when i reboot
[14:50] <simion314> i will reboot when i can and see what happens, and post in the forums, i have sounds in other players and browser
[14:50] <simion314> thx for the help
[14:51] <islington> I wish I could help more  :(
[15:00] <islington> "KDE Software Compilation 4.4 beta 1 packages comming soon" Can someone please fix the typo on the front page?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> islington, I'm sure that it's been discovered , but being devs they are probly working to fix kde 4.4 probs first
[15:04] <islington> BluesKaj: eh? I thought kde 4.4 was made availible for testing on lucid already
[15:04] <BluesKaj> yes it is islington , I'm about to find out
[15:05] <BluesKaj> rebooting now , just installed lucid
[15:13] <wesley> why is one of the best security features not one of the best improvements, the option to encryth your whole home folder is great
[15:15] <family> i need help im trying to down grade my amarok and was following a post now everythings messed up
[15:15] <gspr_> Hmm, is the behaviour of update-notifier-kde where it disappears after briefly alerting about updates intentional?
[15:15] <gspr_> Is there some way to reset the old behaviour, where an icon persists in case of updates?
[15:20] <cuznt> hokay i installed 9.10 64 dual boot winxp and i do not get a choice in the boot. winxp ONLY
[15:24] <cuznt> anyone?
[15:33] <cuznt> i installed 9.10 64 dual boot winxp and i do not get a choice in the boot. winxp ONLY i need help to make it dual boot please
[15:33] <rork> cuznt: does it load grub?
[15:34] <rstob911> cuznt: where did you install grub
[15:34] <cuznt> no
[15:34] <cuznt> i installed it all and all i get is the windoz screen
[15:34] <rstob911> grub needs to be installed on the mbr
[15:34] <cuznt> i am not sure it did it for me i believeon the mbr
[15:35] <cuznt> believe me i would not do it if i wasnt in itt-tech and need it
[15:36] <Spezi> you installed windows first right?
[15:36] <cuznt> yes
[15:38] <Spezi> well, you could boot ubuntu as a live-cd and then do sudo grub-install with the right arguments, that should do it
[15:40] <Spezi> do you know which one is your root partition?
[15:40] <cuznt> im not sure'=
[15:40] <cuznt> i think ext4
[15:42] <Spezi> i did not talk about the file system ;)
[15:42] <sab> I got mythtv-release-0.22-fixes from svn, built and installed in /usr with no errors on amd64, binarys can't link to libfusion,libdirect and libartsc ... can anyone suggest a solution?
[15:42] <Spezi> mine is /dev/sda5 for example, do you know this name for your root partition?
[15:43] <Spezi> or did you set up more than one linux partition anyway?
[15:43] <cuznt> how do i find out please
[15:43] <Spezi> sudo fdisk -l lists all available partitions
[15:44] <cuznt> at this point i do not know here is the deal i had windows xp and installed kubutnu which broke my windows. then i rescued my windows whick broke my kubuntu
[15:44] <Spezi> okay. did you create one linux partition, or more than one? eg one root and one /home ?
[15:44] <cuznt>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[15:44] <cuznt> /dev/sda1   *           1       19457   156288321    7  HPFS/NTFS
[15:44] <cuznt> /dev/sda2           19458       38913   156280320    5  Extended
[15:44] <cuznt> /dev/sda5           19458       38211   150641473+  83  Linux
[15:44] <cuznt> /dev/sda6           38212       38913     5638783+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[15:44] <FloodBotK1> cuznt: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:44] <cuznt> oops sorry i tried and missed
[15:45] <ubuntu_> hello
[15:45] <Spezi> how did you get that one? i thought you couldn'/t boot into linux?
[15:45] <cuznt> i am oin the live cd
[15:45] <Spezi> thats great
[15:45] <cuznt> ;)
[15:45] <Spezi> well theres only one that can be your root, since theres one linux partition ;)
[15:46] <Spezi> alright, do this: sudo mount /dev/sda5
[15:46] <ubuntu_> can anzbodz help me get my touchpad back please~ at the live disk its working, at mz installation it was working till last update :(
[15:47] <Spezi> then: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[15:47] <ubuntu_> fuck wrong keyboard settings
[15:47] <Spezi> and make sure to mind the space between /mnt and /dev/sda ;)
[15:47] <cuznt> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda5 is already mounted on /media/disk
[15:48] <cuznt> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /mnt/boot/grub.
[15:48] <Spezi> yeah thats because of the error in the first command
[15:49] <Spezi> dont know why it's already mounted, but in that case this should do it: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/disk /dev/sda
[15:50] <gspr_> Is the new behaviour of the update-notifier in KDE in karmic really desireable? I mean, if the user doesn't see the security update warning right away, they'll never notice! Is there a way to restore the old behaviour where an icon persists as long as package as upgradeable?
[15:50] <UomoFocaccina> hello, italian kubuntu official help channel?
[15:51] <bazhang> #ubuntu-it UomoFocaccina
[15:51] <UomoFocaccina> thanks+
[15:51] <cuznt> ty spezi i will try that
[15:55] <ShishKabab> Hi. I've installed Broadcom driver on my Kubuntu installation, but the interface doesn't show up in the Network Manager (only with ifconfig). How do I refresh the list in the manager?
[15:56] <UomoFocaccina> hey, i'm installing drivers 4 my wireless adaptor, but im in front of a big list of drivers, who can help me choosing the right one?
[15:59] <ShishKabab> Sorry, found it! :)
[16:00] <Tm_T> hi ShishKabab
[16:01] <ShishKabab> Tim_T: Hi.
[16:12] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[16:24] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[16:27] <Ranarama> How come Wine says it cannot find wow.exe?
[16:27] <Ranarama> It has worked 2 times, but mostly not
[16:28] <Spezi> are you able to view the wow directory?
[16:29] <Spezi> i'm having issues with chmod settings of the wow directory after every patch
[16:29] <Ranarama> No, I just noticed it was set to forbidden, even though I've already changed it to allow
[16:31] <Spezi> so changing access rights does not work?
[16:33] <Ranarama> It did work
[16:33] <corium> hello
[16:42] <ejat> anyone have try kde 4.3.8 ?
[16:43] <bazhang> ejat 4.3.4 ?
[16:43] <Mamarok> he means 4.3.80 aka beta 1
[16:43] <ejat> Mamarok: yups
[16:43] <Mamarok> ejat: it is not available in Karmic yet
[16:44] <ejat> Mamarok: through ppa
[16:44] <ejat> staging
[16:44] <Mamarok> ejat: which is only for testing purposes, no offical packages yet
[16:44] <Mamarok> you are not supposed to use staging, read the description of the PPA
[16:45] <ejat> :)
[16:47] <alberto> anibody now a link to start in italian?
[16:48] <alberto> anybody know a link to start in italian?
[16:48] <alberto> with kubuntu
[16:49] <bazhang> !it | alberto
[16:49] <alberto> thank
[17:12] <Alan502> How can connect with my 3G modem in kubuntu? There is a bug apparently but, how can this error be fixed?
[17:13] <rstob911> Alan502: is it a phone you are trying to connect
[17:13] <Alan502> rstob911, its a huawei E156B modem to be specific
[17:13] <Alan502> but yeah, its kind of like a phone
[17:14] <rstob911> Alan502: do you have a data plan purchased
[17:14] <Alan502> rstob911, yes
[17:14] <Alan502> rstob911, actually, i can perfectly connect from this computer, which has ubuntu
[17:14] <rstob911> you should be able to do it by bluetooth
[17:15] <Alan502> i cannot connect in kubuntu tho, because of the bug...
[17:15] <Alan502> the modem does not have bluetooth
[17:15] <rstob911> ok
[17:15] <Alan502> neither my desktop with kubuntu!
[17:15] <Alan502> do you know if there is another way?
[17:16] <rstob911> im searchin
[17:16] <Alan502> thanks :)
[17:16] <rstob911> ok here is my thoughts you have ubuntu installed right
[17:18] <BluesKaj> rstob911, most ppl here have kubuntu installed
[17:18] <BluesKaj> kde rather than gnome
[17:19] <Alan502> rstob911, yes, on this computer
[17:19] <Alan502> rstob911, what i usually do is connect this computer to the modem and bridge it to my desktop
[17:19] <rstob911> if you just installed kde4 from gnome ubuntu then at the sign in screen you can use kde desktop and then use the gnome application which works
[17:19] <rstob911> to connect
[17:20] <Alan502> rstob911, i installed kubuntu i have no gnome
[17:20] <Alan502> so are you suggesting i install gnome in order for gnome's network manager to work?
[17:20] <rstob911> ok never mind then sorry
[17:20] <BluesKaj> rstob911, you don't need gnome to use gtk apps , just the libs and if you choose a gnome app the proper dependencies and libs will install with it
[17:21] <Alan502> BluesKaj, do you know if i can use gnome-network-manager in kde without installing the whole gnome?
[17:21] <Alan502> i installed gnome-network-manager from the repos but saw no changes :|
[17:23] <BluesKaj> Alan502,  apparently it works better for some
[17:23] <Mamarok> Alan502: you would have to remove the KDE one to start with
[17:23] <Mamarok> networkmanager that is
[17:23] <BluesKaj> Alan502, no , network-manger-gnome will install on kde without the wole shebang
[17:23] <BluesKaj> whole
[17:24] <Alan502> errr
[17:24] <Alan502> so i have to remove kde?
[17:24] <Alan502> or, otherwise, how do i start network-manager-gnome on kde, i have already installed the one in the repositories
[17:27] <Mamarok> Alan502: no, only replace the kde networkmanager with the gnome one, that should be enough
[17:28] <Alan502> Mamarok, but how?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> Alan502, with your package manager
[17:28] <Alan502> BluesKaj, should i uninstall kdenetworkmanager then?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Alan502,uninstall with your package manager as well
[17:30] <Alan502> BluesKaj, ok lets see--
[17:31] <BluesKaj> Alan502, look in the kmenu for kpackage-kit
[17:31] <BluesKaj> or you could use the terminal , but then you need the exact name of the apps
[17:32] <Alan502> BluesKaj, i removed plasma-networ-manager (or something)
[17:33] <Alan502> im rebooting now to see if it fixes
[17:33] <BluesKaj> just relogin
[17:34] <Alan502> removed but :O not network manager at all :(
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Alan502, alt+F2 , type network-manager-gnome
[17:36] <Alan502> did it, but "command not found
[17:36] <Alan502> "
[17:37] <Mamarok> Alan502: then install the package, sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome should do
[17:37] <Alan502> the package is already installed
[17:38] <BluesKaj> reboot i guess , maybe that's what it takes then
[17:38] <Mamarok> right, is the package network-manager isntalled? That's the deamon
[17:38] <Alan502> ok, rebooting again
[17:38] <Mamarok> Alan502: no need to
[17:38] <Mamarok> you can start the network without rebooting
[17:39] <Alan502> Mamarok, im not sure if network-manager is installed
[17:39] <Alan502> let me check
[17:40] <Alan502> "network management framework daemon" it is installed
[17:40] <Alan502> networ-manager is installed already
[17:42] <Alan502> D=
[17:43] <Alan502> i think i'll install plasma network manager again, how do i connect to my eth0 from the command line'
[17:43] <Peace-> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:43] <Alan502> since it seems that network-manager-gnome doesnt run that easy :/
[17:43] <BluesKaj> sudo ifup eth0
[17:43] <Peace-> that restart what is listed on interfaces
[17:44] <BluesKaj> bbiab , just installed lucid
[17:45] <Alan502> "ignoring unknown interface"
[17:50] <lucy> parlas español frikis codificados?????????
[17:50] <jussi01> !es
[17:50] <Alan502> lucy, geeks
[17:51] <lucy> alan geek
[18:22] <sam_> hi
[18:25] <Seren__> I got a strange but is kubuntu+1 (lucid), kde seems to have lost the location of "all applications"
[18:25] <Seren__> I can't use krunner to launch anything
[18:25] <Seren__> and in kickoff the application menu is empty
[18:25] <Seren__> anyone experiencing similar problems ?
[18:25] <Seren__> bug*
[18:31] <Mamarok> Seren__: you do know that you are using a highly unstable system that is not meant for productive use? Please ask in #ubuntu+1 for all things related to Lucid
[18:32] <Seren__> yep, I was asking to know if I should file a bug or not
[18:32] <Seren__> no problem I'll stay in ubuntu+1
[18:34] <Mamarok> Seren__: ok
[18:48] <wesley> I try to rip a dvd with k9copy but it results in smal 4 mb file
[18:55] <soee> hi
[19:09] <Dracari> it's been a while since i used kubutu  on my Presario R3000,  (like last i used it it was Kubuntu 7.10) how do i enable the 5in1 Cardreader?
[19:17] <citizenkane> hello
[19:18] <RiotingPacifist> just install ubuntu from a minimal disk, i got one hw related crash and firefox doesn't start it has a "bus error"
[19:32] <eduardopl> guys, i've just installed kubuntu 9.10 and the front audio plug of my computer isn't working, my headphones work in windows, but not on kubuntu, any idea how i fix this?
[19:41] <TeLLuS_> eduardopl: Mixer setting..?
[19:43] <eduardopl> TeLLuS: how do i see the info you asking?
[19:45] <TeLLuS> eduardopl: kmix
[19:50] <eduardopl> TeLLuS: is that what you talking about: http://yfrog.com/0jsnapshot2yp
[20:07] <otto__> jhb
[20:50] <[SilverFox]> How can I stop my choppyness moving windows around and such
[20:58] <tony_> Holiday Greetings To All.
[21:11] <ghostcube> hola
[21:11] <[SilverFox]> Hey guys I have a issue with kubuntu I installed the ati drivers I got a 4890
[21:12] <[SilverFox]> but the windows and such are very choppy when I move them
[21:12] <[SilverFox]> heck i feel like im on a laggy remote desktp its so bad
[21:15] <g-me> hey everyone. Anyone got any experience on wireless dropping in Ubuntu9.1? dual boot windows is fine.
[21:15] <ubuntu> hi
[21:18] <hagabaka> kde 4.4 beta packages still not out :(
[21:20] <rstob911> g-me: i just looked and that is a known bug when it drops does it reconnect right away
[21:23] <g-me> rstob911: cheers, its very tempremental.
[21:24] <apparle> hi guys
[21:24] <rstob911> g-me: i dont know if they have any fixes but you can look here  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic
[21:25] <apparle> anyone tried chrome beta for linux
[21:26] <g-me> cool rstob911.. I may revert to 9.04 since this laptop needs cleaned up a bit.
[21:26] <rstob911> g-me: i think that is a wise decision
[21:27] <g-me> rstob911.. have reverted to wires.. such an antiquated technology :)
[21:27] <rstob911> it took me 6 days to get mine to work right
[21:27] <rstob911> and i dont have any hair left
[21:28] <g-me> what did you do to get it to work right? settings or drivers / kernel?
[21:28] <ghostcube> hmmm what exact is the problem
[21:28] <ghostcube> havent folowed
[21:29] <ghostcube> g-me: is youre wireless not working in network manager ?
[21:30] <g-me> ghostcube.. It works but very tempremental. Its a dual boot laptop and there is no issues with xp or other clients I have on the wireless
[21:30] <ghostcube> hmm i always suggest this if knetwork manager failes
[21:30] <ghostcube> try wicd
[21:30] <g-me> ghostcube.. doing a wireshark shows sometimes nothing being communicated or simply the key exchange for the wireless security
[21:31] <ghostcube> wicd is in universe repo
[21:31] <ghostcube> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[21:31] <ghostcube> and read this
[21:31] <ghostcube> troubleshooting
[21:32] <g-me> ghostcube: no harm giving that a go.. If it doesnt resolve I will do a clean install and revert to 9.04. cheers folks.. May go offline now as I will be trying wicd
[21:40] <geemee> ghostcube: g-me here... up and running with wicd... will see how it goes and if its stable...
[21:41] <ghostcube> :)
[21:46] <t0mt0m> So... I did an upgrade to 9.10 and now my audio card is all messed up
[21:46] <t0mt0m> I'm pretty sure its because of pulse
[21:46] <t0mt0m> but when I do a aplay -l in console it says no soundcards found
[21:46] <t0mt0m> but it shows on lspci
[22:03] <g-me> Since my last question was so successfully resolved :) has anyone experience of bridging a tehtered android phone to wired network for xbox / ps3?
[22:03] <g-me> Tethering is fine however I havent tried bridging yet. Curious if I may come across any issues with NAT etc.. :)
[22:04] <JamesConf> Is there a way to get into interactive statup on the live cd
[22:10] <JamesConf> is there a way to disable the cpuseed/cpufreq module from loading with the live cd
[22:17] <kurumin> oi
[22:33] <Brhad56> Kubuntu 9.10 has been absolutely the best Linux experiance I've had in 10 years,
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> Glad to hear it. :)
[22:54] <soee> does anyone have problems with kde 4.3.4 -> black screen after login and if i logout and login again all works fine :/
[23:03] <new_bember> anybody here?
[23:04] <xapplet> hi
[23:04] <new_bember> hello
[23:05] <new_bember> could you help me?
[23:06] <new_bember> need to find place where stored keymap settings instead xorg.conf
[23:09] <pingveno> I'm trying to get a printer added via the KDE interface, but when I finish with the configuration steps for the HP JetDirect protocol (the recommended protocol), I get the error "client-error-not-possible".
[23:10] <r4v3nsw0rd> what do I do if I forgot my password for logging in with NickServ?
[23:18] <casey> whats this for?
[23:19] <casey> anyone willing to help me?
[23:19] <hagabaka> if you have a question, just ask
[23:21] <casey> can't figure out how to connect to my wireless network, tried to put in my WPA key but it doesnt want to accept it!
[23:22] <r4v3nsw0rd> what do I do if I forgot my password for logging in with NickServ?
[23:23] <r4v3nsw0rd> why do I only see questions and no answers? =/
[23:23] <baner> casey is a dell laptop with broadcom card?
[23:25] <baner> mm
[23:25] <casey> no MSI laptop, forgot the company who makes my card starts with an "A"..
[23:26] <casey> any way I can check in kubuntu i'm new to linux
[23:26] <casey> ?
[23:31] <casey> WTF it works when I connect to my neighbors unsecured network I guess it just dont like my WPA key!
[23:34] <r4v3nsw0rd> if possible, try installing wpa supplicant? I don't really know, afk
[23:43] <ElTimo> sorry if this has been asked already but when are the packages for kde 4.4 beta 1 going to be ready?
[23:47] <lamprian_> #hellas
[23:54] <giulia> hello ...got a problem....can't manage to find out how to download pakadges with kubuntu...
[23:54] <giulia> i first had ubuntu and synaptic gave me the possibility to choose to downoad and not install
[23:55] <giulia> how ca i do that in kubuntu
[23:55] <giulia> ???
[23:55] <ElTimo> guilia- kpackagekit is what you're looking for I think
[23:56] <giulia> thanks a lot!!!
[23:59] <RiotingPacifist> !ppa
[23:59] <RiotingPacifist> !pinning
[23:59] <giulia> ok i tryed out kpackagekit...but it only lets me install packages... i need to download them cus i need to make a local repository for a pc that doesn't have internet


[12:17] <BenC> if so, isn't it "fixed" by not disabling the wireless?
[12:18] <cassidy> BenC: yes it is
[12:18] <cassidy> but i like my wireless ;)
[12:18] <BenC> I don't get it, I thought the bug only occureed when wireless was disabled on boot
[12:19] <bronson> cassidy: so don't disable it...?
[12:20] <kylem> BenC, we can take this patch, it looks sane.
[12:20] <cassidy> it's strange in fact. I had this bug booting Herd 1 CD. Try to disable it and still have the problem. But retry after and then work
[12:20] <kylem> http://bughost.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=956
[12:20] <BenC> "I have been booting daily with wireless switch on two weeks and the problem has not occured. Today I booted with the Wireless switched off and had soft lockup on CPU0"
[12:20] <BenC> kylem: My main question was why Intel hasn't taken it
[12:21] <BenC> could be because they are moving on to that new driver
[12:21] <BenC> kylem: But yeah, for edgy it looks sane
[12:21] <kylem> i don't think ketrenos has done much recently.
[12:21] <kylem> the problem with this softlockup stuff is noone ever seems to post their dumps, so we have no idea if it's the same bug...
[12:22] <kylem> BenC, the bug is in ipw3945 1.1.3
[12:22] <kylem> er
[12:22] <kylem> the bug fix
[12:22] <BenC> is there a 1.1.3?!
[12:23] <BenC> there wasn't when I checked just YESTERDAY
[12:23] <BenC> kylem: Does it have better fixes for the INIT_WORK crud?
[12:23] <kylem> was released today
[12:24] <kylem> INIT_WORK() is still muckered in it.
[12:24] <BenC> we can probably do a diff between 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 and apply it
[12:24] <kylem> they all take priv though, so the fix when they do take it is going to be the same as what you or i did
[12:25] <kylem> hm, i'll do it, shouldn't be too much pain.
[12:42] <BenC> kylem: I think ipw3945 was one of the ones where there was more to it than that
[12:42] <BenC> I have to check
[12:43] <BenC> some of them were using work and delayed work interchangeably, which is totally broken now
[12:43] <BenC> yep, it is
[12:43] <kylem> eh, i was just going to pull out your diffs and reapply on top of 1.1.3
[12:43] <kylem> <- lazy... ;)
[12:43] <BenC> probably easier to get 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 and diff them, and apply to ours
[12:47] <BenC> kylem: Looks like either way is going to be a pain
[01:01] <kylem> it's not big a deal
[01:18] <zul> BenC: i like the new kernelpatches page and the gratitious use of xen as an example ;)
[01:18] <BenC> zul: You noticed that, huh? :)
[01:18] <zul> yeah..
[01:19] <zul> you should rename it whyihatexen
[02:40] <kylem> BenC, you weren't kidding.
[02:52] <BenC> kylem: have fun :)
[03:00] <kylem> heh. i'm amazed this built for you.
[03:00] <kylem> ipw3945 was still missing some delayed stuff.
[03:00] <kylem> but would still work b/c struct work_struct is the first member of the delayed_work struct.
[03:01] <BenC> There's actually a bit of stuff in ubuntu/ that still needs delayed work help
[03:02] <BenC> mostly some of the many (I hate them) ieee80211 stacks
[03:03] <kylem> yeah.
[03:03] <kylem> i'm fixing those up now.
[03:03] <kylem> i hate david howells. :)
[03:23] <kylem> ugh.
[04:07] <zul> night folks
[05:58] <kylem> jesus. that took way longer than i'd expected.
[06:16] <kylem> BenC, fixes for wireless/ and updated ipw1.1.3 pushed out to my ubuntu-2.6 kernel.org tree.
[06:16] <BenC> kylem: Thanks
[06:23] <BenC> kylem: pulled and pushed, and compile tested
[06:23] <BenC> looks good
[06:24] <kylem> btw, in your rt2x00 i'm not sure about the nested container_of
[06:25] <kylem> i think it might need to be: container_of( &container_of( ... ), ...)
[06:26] <BenC> the container_of returns a pointer, so it should be ok
[06:26] <BenC> plus it doesn't give a warning either :)
[06:26] <kylem> ah, ok
[06:27] <BenC> kylem: I'm doing some build/boot testing tomorrow...if things look ok, I might do an upload, but without lrm and linux-meta
[06:28] <kylem> alrighty.
[06:32] <BenC> 2.6.20 scares me
[06:33] <kylem> churn churn churn :)
[06:33] <BenC> between the workqueue changes, paravirt, and now a brand new HID layer, I'm frightened
[06:33] <kylem> so feisty is totally vetoed from being LTS, k? :)
[06:34] <BenC> definitely
[06:46] <zul> paravirt shouldnt matter if you dont enable it
[06:46] <zul> ..couldnt sleep
[06:48] <BenC> it's not enabled, but I doubt that it's a noop code wise even disabled
[06:49] <zul> true
[09:22] <bronson> Anyone in today?  Is there an easy way to create a new ABI?
[09:23] <bronson> I'm getting the "ABI has changed!" message and I'd just like to tell it, THIS is the new ABI...
[09:23] <bronson> Can't find any docs on how to do that though.
[09:24] <kylem> increase the major version # in debian/changelog
[09:24] <kylem> ie the xx part of 2.6.17-xx.yy
[09:26] <bronson> ah, good.  Thanks kylem.
[09:28] <bronson> I hope I'm getting close to having a good kernel.  What's the best way to show it to you guys to see if it could become a part of Ubuntu proper?
[09:28] <bronson> (not as a patch, as a set of kernels that live beside the main kernels)
[09:34] <bronson> Just publish my git tree?
[09:36] <kylem> probably easiest for you, yes
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> how do I rebuild 2.6.19-7-generic from source... I can't find the right debian/Config stuff
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> oh.. downloaded the source wrong
[09:48] <bluefoxicy> ls
[10:07] <bronson> Seems a little silly to publish hundreds of megabytes of git archive so you can pull a few K of patches but so be it.  :)
[10:07] <kylem> just extract the patches and post them then :)
[10:08] <bronson> what would be the easiest for you?
[10:08] <kylem> git format-patch -k ${commit before you changed anything}
[10:08] <kylem> i'm happy either way, it's ben you need to make happy :)
[10:09] <bronson> good point.  :)  I'll ask again on Monday.
[10:18] <BenC> bronson: Post patches using format-patch to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:18] <BenC> that's easy
[10:18] <bronson> BenC: the linux-vserver patch is huge though...
[10:18] <bronson> My changes are like a few hundred bytes of patch...  upstream though is, ah, invasive.
[10:19] <bronson> I think it'll be ~200K...  think that's OK?
[10:25] <bronson> Why am I even asking...?  I'll post both the patch and the git tree and let the reader decide.
[10:25] <bronson> Duh.  Time for me to get outside.
[10:36] <bronson> WARNING: sound/oss/cs4232.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text: from .text between 'cs4232_pnp_probe' (at offset 0x7c) and 'unload_cs4232'
[10:36] <bronson> I can ignore all these warnings, yes?
[10:36] <kylem> yeah.
[10:36] <bronson> thank goodness.  :)
[11:46] <BenC> bronson: Are you posting it to be included in our tree?
[11:46] <bronson> No way.
[11:47] <bronson> Just hoping, perhaps, to include it with Feisty.
[11:47] <bronson> But first I'm doing the easier task of getting it solid in Edgy.
[11:48] <bronson> So, I'm very interested in your input.
[11:49] <bronson> I mean, compile separate packages in a separate tree that would be included in Feisty's Universe or Multiverse.