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[21:30] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue765 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue765 :D
[21:41] <krytarik> Bashing-om: "lubuntu developer" - needs uppercased (just the first), and I see no particular value in also linking the Discourse announcement.
[21:42] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack !
[21:44] <krytarik> "Monday Monday 12th December 2022" - and doubling here again.. >_<
[21:45] <Bashing-om> krytarik: K - makes me wonder how it is that I do that ! - glad you caught it.


[01:50] <Cantide> doing dist upgrade
[01:50] <Cantide> fingers crossed :)
[05:28] <Kilos> morning all
[05:48] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[05:50] <nlsthzn> good morning uncle Kilos
[05:56] <nlsthzn> how are you this morning uncle Kilos ?
[05:56] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn  and you
[05:56] <nlsthzn> good thanks
[05:57] <Kilos> bit nippy here again, was 10°c last night again
[05:57] <nlsthzn> brrrr
[06:01] <nlsthzn> ah I can see you in Steam in my friends list :)
[06:01] <Kilos> haha
[06:02] <Kilos> i looked for an options choice for the full screen thing. cant find it
[06:02] <nlsthzn> only once you have played for about 5 to 10 minutes you can access the menu
[06:02] <Kilos> does the thing want to be online all the time or can you play a game offline
[06:03] <Kilos> oh my
[06:03] <nlsthzn> steam likes to be connected but often it doesn't do anything ...
[06:05] <Kilos> is there a user guide or manual for it nlsthzn ?
[06:06] <nlsthzn> had a look and there doesn't seem to be anything like that
[06:07] <Kilos> ok will keep looking through it to familiarise myself
[06:09] <nlsthzn> the keys you use are the arrows and x to shoot
[06:10] <Kilos> they make all these things for modern peeps
[06:10] <nlsthzn> once the menu is available you will see it shows [Press O for Options] on the launch screen
[06:10] <Kilos> ah that sounds better
[06:10] <nlsthzn> when you press o you will see the options for fullscreen etc...
[06:10] <nlsthzn> the launch screen is where you press up to launch your plane
[06:10] <Kilos> will try that ty
[06:11] <nlsthzn> play for ten minutes until it says "Tutorial over" or something to that extent
[06:11] <Kilos> but cant play and chat
[06:11] <Kilos> lol
[06:11] <nlsthzn> >.<
[06:11] <Kilos> it takes over everything
[06:11] <nlsthzn> that is the point
[06:11] <Kilos> lol
[06:18] <nlsthzn> lol, plug in my external hdd and I can hear it spin up and access the hdd via my earphones, sounds very futuristic >.<
[06:18] <Kilos> lol
[06:19] <Kilos> so what is this steam thing actually?
[06:20] <Kilos> a game playing platform?
[06:21] <nlsthzn> yup
[06:21] <Kilos> will it play ms games off cds?
[06:21] <nlsthzn> a way to find and install new games
[06:21] <nlsthzn> valve made steam to sell their own games and keep them updated
[06:21] <Kilos> ok
[06:21] <nlsthzn> and then expanded to let others also sell their games via it
[06:22] <nlsthzn> now it is huge, and they decided that windows 8 sucks and the future of gaming is linux
[06:22] <Kilos> lol
[06:22] <nlsthzn> they even creating there own distro called steam os based on debian
[06:31] <Kilos> lotsa energy them peeps
[06:31] <Kilos> i get tired just thinking of starting steam up again
[06:32] <nlsthzn> :)
[06:37] <inetpro> guten morgen
[06:37] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:37] <Kilos> sjoe nlsthzn thats too hard for me
[08:37] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:37] <Kilos> fingers too stupid to use keys
[08:38] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[08:39] <nlsthzn> the idea is to die a lot but try and get better scores and later change the plane, get other guns and other nifty things to make it more fun... there is no stages or story... have a 5 minutes play a bit... then again tomorrow ... when every you have time or are bored :p
[08:39] <Kilos> whew
[08:40]  * Kilos needs a plane directed with the mouse
[08:40] <nlsthzn> nah, you will get used to the keyboard... oh and you can change the keys too
[08:40] <Kilos> can hold down the x key but the left right up downs whew
[08:46] <Kilos> started one play for free hehe
[08:47] <Kilos> started what looked like a 7.2g download so killed pc
[08:47] <Kilos> maybe i must stick to fighting modems
[10:12] <nlsthzn> :)
[10:12] <nlsthzn> most games are huge
[10:12] <nlsthzn> bulls falling like flies currently
[10:12] <Kilos> oh my im missing it
[10:25] <nlsthzn> these ausies getting away with murder in the loose...
[10:25] <nlsthzn> bulls cannot get one ball back
[10:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:55] <Kilos> some of the refs dont like us much
[10:55] <Kilos> you must hear tara rant
[10:56] <Kilos> she isnt a fan of any ref thats not from sa
[10:56] <Kilos> hehe
[10:57] <Golynx> hey charl_ & nlsthzn
[10:58] <nlsthzn> alo :)
[11:01] <Golynx> what is the point of the SA government forcing rugby to take black players. What happened to pure talent
[11:02] <Kilos> some of them are very good and deserve their place in the team
[11:02] <Kilos> but not all
[11:03] <Golynx> some of them yes
[11:10] <Golynx> no fish curry this year :-/
[11:10] <Kilos> aw
[11:10] <Kilos> curry fish be very lekker
[11:11] <Golynx> lucky fish :D
[11:12] <Golynx> ya it is , just the stains is the issue
[11:16] <Kilos> stains?
[11:17] <Golynx> there's usually alot of curry juice, that end up on the clothes lol
[11:17] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <Kilos> use a spoon then
[11:19] <Golynx> haha i eat with my hands, but sloppy :D
[11:19] <Kilos> lol
[11:21]  * nlsthzn logs out to nuke the windows and to install the trusty thar!
[11:21] <Kilos> cool enjoy
[11:21] <Kilos> i like it
[11:21] <Kilos> in unity too
[14:00] <somaunn> hello guys
[15:15] <Kilos> hhi superfly quiet here hey
[15:15] <Kilos> hows the family, and you?
[15:40] <superfly> hi Kilos
[15:40] <superfly> family is fine, keeping me busy
[15:40] <Kilos> haha
[15:41] <superfly> I have two boys, they never stop running... so I have to run after them just to keep up, never mind keep them out of truoble
[15:41] <superfly> *trouble
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <bertus> hey guys
[16:14] <Kilos> hi bertus
[16:14] <Kilos> hows things
[16:15] <bertus> hey kilos how aree
[16:15] <bertus> are you?
[16:15] <Kilos> apart from sore head im good ty
[16:15] <bertus> things are amazing! this 14.04 is awesome
[16:15] <Kilos> hehe
[16:15] <Kilos> lovely hey
[16:15] <Kilos> did you install gufw
[16:15] <bertus> still looking for a good dolby sound driver for 5.1 sound setup
[16:15] <bertus> but good so far
[16:15] <Kilos> thats just to keep bad peeps out
[16:16] <bertus> got all the graphics to work!! can you believe IT?
[16:16] <Kilos> ai! now you got sound probs
[16:16] <Kilos> great work
[16:16] <Kilos> ubuntu rocks
[16:16] <bertus> haha but yea it's not so bad
[16:16] <Kilos> takes some getting used to though if you come straight from windows
[16:17] <Kilos> what sound card is in there
[16:18] <Kilos> must be something in ubuntu
[16:18] <Kilos> how can you worry about sound in a lappy, they terrible
[16:19] <bertus> just the onboard
[16:19] <bertus> but would love to get the dolby surround to work
[16:19] <Kilos> with external speakers?
[16:19] <bertus> have looked around a bit, cannot find the drivers for linux
[16:19] <bertus> no not external
[16:20] <Kilos> how can you get surround sound out of a laptop
[16:20] <bertus> haha this one is not my friend, this one has an amazing sound
[16:20] <bertus> has 5 speakers
[16:20] <Kilos> in 1 lappy?
[16:20] <Kilos> whew
[16:20] <bertus> ya
[16:20] <bertus> ja
[16:21] <Kilos> so to get surround sound where do you put your head
[16:22] <Kilos> on the cpu?
[16:22] <Kilos> hehe
[16:23] <Kilos> what mac lappy is that?
[16:27] <Kilos> bertus, where you went
[16:28] <Kilos> hmm...pc dont bloep loud enough
[16:32] <bertus> im here
[16:32] <bertus> yep
[16:33] <Kilos> yeo what?
[16:33] <Kilos> yep what as well?
[16:34] <Kilos> see what this says
[16:34] <Kilos> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/06/enable-surround-sound-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[16:35] <Kilos> i also had weird sound stuff here. hdmi sound whatever that might be
[16:36] <Kilos> that link should sort you out
[16:37] <Trixar_za> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/8/3/254683_slide.jpg?v=1
[16:37] <bertus> yes exactly if the hdmi is plugged into bigger screen there is no sound
[16:38] <Kilos> haha Trixar_za
[16:42] <bertus> any suggestions?
[16:44] <Kilos> did you look at that link bertus ?
[16:44] <Kilos> uses alsa mixer to add more speakers
[16:44] <Kilos> hi smile
[16:45] <smile> hi :)
[16:48] <theblazehen> hey smile
[16:49] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[16:49] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[16:50] <smile> how is it going? :p
[16:50] <Kilos> all good and you?
[16:57] <bertus> no will look now
[16:59] <bertus> kilos this looks great
[16:59] <Kilos> yes i think its what you need
[17:00] <bertus> yea looks correct
[17:00] <bertus> !
[17:00] <bertus> thanks man
[17:01] <bertus> looks perfect
[17:01] <Kilos> np
[17:01] <Kilos> i just googled
[17:01] <Kilos> google very tricky, you gotta google the right stuff
[17:02] <Kilos> i did google dolby sound setup on 14.04 mac lappy
[17:02] <Kilos> google not my friend
[17:05] <Kilos> inetpro, lurking again?
[17:15] <Kilos> superfly, hurry with that mac. looks like it can make a great buntu pc
[17:16] <superfly> Kilos: this one needs to stay on OS X.
[17:17] <superfly> Kilos: I can't test OpenLP out on OS X if I'm not running OS X
[17:17] <Kilos> what a pity
[17:17] <Kilos> no man finish with openlp then go buntu
[17:17] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[17:17] <Kilos> hahaha hiya my pro
[17:17] <bertus> yes for sure
[17:19] <superfly> Kilos: *finish*?? You're telling an open source project to just STOP? ai!
[17:19] <Kilos> oops sorry
[17:19] <Kilos> one of them things that just keeps growing
[17:19] <Kilos> whew
[17:22] <inetpro> Kilos: if it's not work it is family that requires attention
[17:22] <Kilos> ya always
[17:23]  * inetpro unfortunately is not good at multitasking
[17:23] <Kilos> ya both of us
[17:24] <Kilos> only multitasking i can do is pidgin and irc  and not too many peeps at a time
[17:28] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:28] <Kilos> Maaz, watch them
[17:28] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[17:52] <Kilos> bertus now you getting enough knowledge to help the next noob here
[17:53] <Kilos> you can become our mac expert
[18:02] <superfly> hrm. the mac just crashed
[18:02] <Kilos> oh my
[18:16] <Kilos> crashed as in restart works again or crashed crashed like a bad drive?
[18:21] <Kilos> hmm... his mac crashed too
[18:23] <superfly> Like Windows' blue screen of death
[18:24] <Kilos> oh my
[18:24] <Kilos> do they come with an install cd?
[18:26] <Kilos> much easier to just add a note in openlp that mac users should buy decent pcs if they wanna go with the flow
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: it's fine. it's not Windows, it just had a Microsoft Moment.
[19:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:23] <smile> Kilos: fine too, here :p
[19:23] <smile> leaving, bye
[19:23] <smile> :p
[19:24] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:24] <smile> thanks ;)
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:19] <Kilos> hmm... maybe i must get 14.04 kde rahter than waste data with steam
[20:19] <Kilos> rather
[20:19] <Kilos> Maaz, google kubuntu 14.04 iso download
[20:19] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download Kubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Beta 1 - Cdimage Ubuntu" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/beta-1/ :: "Kubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Daily Build - Cdimage Ubuntu" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ :: "Kubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/ :: "Kubuntu 14.04 LTS |
[20:19] <Maaz> Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04 :: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubun…
[20:20] <Kilos> superfly, please what is the best link to wget kde from?
[20:21] <theblazehen> Kilos: you finally got data? :D
[20:21] <Kilos> ya but wasted about 400m on steam
[20:21] <Kilos> grrr
[20:22] <superfly> Kilos: 32 or 64 bit?
[20:22] <Kilos> if i get 32 i can use it on pcs that cant do 64bit as well superfly so maybe thats better hey?
[20:23] <superfly> Kilos: it depends on a lot of things
[20:23] <Kilos> like?
[20:24] <superfly> like if you're actually going to use it for 32-bit machines
[20:24] <Kilos> only this one pc can do 64bit
[20:24] <Kilos> ya i think so
[20:32] <superfly> Kilos: take your pick: http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[20:32] <Kilos> ty superfly
[20:32] <Kilos> decisions decisions
[20:34]  * Kilos waits for 11pm
[20:44] <theblazehen> Kilos: whats gonna happpen?
[20:44] <Kilos> to what theblazehen ?
[20:44] <theblazehen> at 11pm
[20:44] <Kilos> im gonna download 14.04 kde
[20:45] <theblazehen> Only releasing then?
[20:45] <Kilos> already have ubuntu 14.04 64bit but need 32bit for other pcs
[20:45] <theblazehen> Why you gonna download it then only?
[20:45] <Kilos> no man thats when my night surfer data starts
[20:45] <Kilos> hehe
[20:46] <theblazehen> ah. Just do "sleep 900 && wget $url" ?
[20:47] <Kilos> i installed this 64bit unity on my drive that had kde on now im not happy without kde
[20:48] <theblazehen> Well night Kilos and anyone else still here
[20:48] <Kilos> i did just the kde upgrade on 12.04 and it was lekker
[20:48] <Kilos> night theblazehen
[20:48] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:22] <Kilos> done. night all


 I have postet de output with the error here http://paste.ubuntu.com/129008/
[00:07] <MaFrei> the error i english is: install: regular File ?/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/drivers/net/r8101.ko? cannot been shown:  Permission denied
[00:09] <MaFrei> maybe the problem is that exactly those realtec driver is already installed in xubuntu?
[00:59] <Mood> anyone used skype w/ xubuntu on machine < P4? (i.e. P3 ~500 MHz)? any problems/issues?
[02:17] <j1mc> can someone tell me why there are six different printing applets in xubuntu?
[02:17] <j1mc> http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9706/printinghell.png
[02:19] <zoredache> if one doesn't work, maybe the other will?  It makes setting up printing easier...
[02:19] <j1mc> zoredache: having to choose between 6 different applets to print or set up a printer doesn't make much sense.
[02:20]  * zoredache wonders if people realized he was trying to be sarcastic....
[02:20] <j1mc> haha... no, i didn't, sorry.
[02:20] <zoredache> j1mc: yeah..
[03:31] <vejan738> help question?
[03:32] <vejan738> i got a IBM600e laptop with xubuntu 8.04 and it freezes loading up for about 5 minutes, then it finishes loading to my desktop
[03:33] <vejan738> how an i solve this problem?/
[04:15] <dgimse> greetings I just installed xubuntu 8.10 and have run amock a few problems and i was wondering if anyone else had these problems.  I think they are caused by my manual installation of the 96.43.11 drivers. anyone else having problems after installing the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.11-pkg1.run file?
[07:07] <taw> morning
[09:08] <Pip> Hello, how to install xubuntu in a text mode virtual console other than X11 graphic environment ?
[09:08] <Pip> Is there any command like setup to get a text mode GUI  ?
[09:09] <turbanoff> hii  all
[09:09] <turbanoff> need help
[09:09] <turbanoff> Xubuntu in VirtualBiox
[09:10] <turbanoff> i remove networkmanager* packages
[09:11] <Pip> How to get a plain text mode GUI for xubuntu installation in a virtual console ?
[09:53] <pingvinas> hello everyone
[09:53] <pingvinas> i got a biiiig problem. PLZ HELp!!!!!
[09:53] <pingvinas> the top line (menu) and the bottom line on the desktop has dissapeared
[09:53] <pingvinas> what's going on?
[09:54] <pingvinas> plz i need it desperately!!!!
[09:55] <pingvinas> how to get them back?
[09:55] <Pip> the X11 got crazy when booting from live CD
[09:56] <protium> hey umm can anyone help me out, im kinda new to xubuntu (new to linux as whole actually) and i want to configure proxy in xubuntu but i dunno how
[09:56] <pingvinas> i didn't boot them from live cd
[10:02] <protium> nvm go t it
[10:24] <taw> Pip, use alternate install cd, that installs in text mode
[10:34] <pingvinas> hello
[10:35] <pingvinas> i removed .gnome and .gconf directories to get default gnome configuration, but it doesn't restore it!!
[10:35] <pingvinas> what should i do to get default gnome back?
[10:37] <ablomen_> pingvinas, .gnome2 has all the gnome settings .gnome is only there for backwards compatibility afaik
[10:41] <pingvinas> albomen_, i don't have gnome2
[10:42] <pingvinas> ablomen, is it in /etc/
[10:56] <pingvinas> ablomen_ how to get the .gconf directory back?
[10:57] <taw> pingvinas, .gnome2, not gnome2
[10:57] <taw> pingvinas, how did you remove it, with rm or some file manager?
[10:57] <pingvinas> rm
[10:58] <pingvinas> since i was told that after restarting it will configure the defaults automatically
[10:58] <pingvinas> now i don't have the default setting neither do i have .gnome or .gconf
[10:59] <pingvinas> taw, do you know how can i get the desktop panels back and the configuration directories?
[10:59] <pingvinas> shall i resinstall xubuntu or is there any easier solution?
[10:59] <taw> sure there is
[10:59] <taw> are you talking about gnome or xfce?
[11:00] <pingvinas> what shall i do then? please help, taw. i am not a professional but i need it desperatelly
[11:00] <taw> can you get terminal somehow?
[11:00] <pingvinas> sorry, but i don't know the difference between the two.
[11:00] <pingvinas> yes, i can get the terminal
[11:01] <pingvinas> i got it
[11:01] <pingvinas> what shall i do next?
[11:01] <taw> run ' xfce4-panel &'
[11:01] <pingvinas> wow, i got it back!!! :)
[11:02] <pingvinas> now how can i get the .conf and .gnome folders back?
[11:02] <pingvinas> thanks!!!
[11:02] <pingvinas> taw!
[11:02] <taw> now just add applets you need, and log out with 'save session' box checked
[11:02] <pingvinas> yeah, i will do that. will it restore the .gnome and .gconf folders?
[11:03] <taw> any idea why you need them?
[11:04] <pingvinas> i get a warning window about the gnone config when the computer starts and it began after i deleted the .conf and .gnome
[11:04] <pingvinas> but i will restart now with 'save session' and see what happens
[11:04] <pingvinas> plz, don't quit for a while taw, i get back
[11:06] <pingvinas> taw, i get the error message that configuration defaults for gnome power manager have not been installed properly and that i should contact the administrator
[11:06] <taw> at least this would work:
[11:07] <taw> 1) boot to recovery mode
[11:07] <taw> (on grub you get meny by pressing esc, I think)
[11:07] <pingvinas> how can i boot to recovery mode?
[11:07] <taw> on grub menu you have that
[11:08] <pingvinas> you mean at the login window?
[11:08] <taw> for very short period it says something like press esc to get menu
[11:08] <taw> no no, before you get kernel loaded
[11:08] <pingvinas> oh ok
[11:08] <pingvinas> and then?
[11:09] <pingvinas> after i boot to recovery
[11:09] <pingvinas> ?
[11:09] <taw> there might be some text-mode menu
[11:09] <pingvinas> ok
[11:09] <taw> you take shell
[11:09] <taw> on shell
[11:09] <taw> cd /home
[11:10] <pingvinas> ok
[11:10] <pingvinas> and then?
[11:10] <taw> here I assume your accoutn is uzer, replace it with your actual loginname
[11:10] <taw> mv uzer uzer.org
[11:10] <taw> mkdir uzer
[11:10] <taw> chown uzer: uzer
[11:10] <taw> exit
[11:10] <taw> reboot
[11:10] <taw> login with your account
[11:11] <taw> should create all again
[11:11] <pingvinas> so i need to write uzer uzer.org? why is that .org?
[11:11] <pingvinas> i mean: mv uzer uzer.org
[11:11] <pingvinas> ?
[11:11] <taw> then you can move or copy files & folders from ../uzer.org to your new home directory
[11:12] <taw> you rename your old home directory
[11:12] <taw> and make new, empty directory
[11:13] <pingvinas> so now my home directory is "migi", so i rename it to "migi.org" and then i create new "migi" and then move everything back from "migi.org" to "migi" right?>
[11:13] <taw> when you log in with empty home directory, it's like login first time
[11:13] <taw> yes
[11:13] <taw> and that migi.org can be migi.this_was_before_everyhting_blow_up or what ever you want
[11:13] <pingvinas> now one important question: is there any danger to the data on my computer? i have some really important things without back up, which i don't want to love
[11:14] <pingvinas> to lose
[11:14] <taw> that's why we mv, not rm
[11:14] <pingvinas> ok, and then i move everything when i get back to kernel?
[11:15] <pingvinas> and chown uzer: uzer is for what?
[11:15] <taw> to make you the directory owner, without that root would own that, and you would not have write permission to it
[11:16] <pingvinas> oh ok
[11:16] <taw> when moving everything back, be carefull
[11:16] <pingvinas> why?
[11:16] <taw> so that you won't copy something old, broken over newly created working ones
[11:17] <pingvinas> and how can i move everything back?
[11:17] <taw> I would do:
[11:17] <taw> cd ../migi.org
[11:17] <taw> mv -i * ~
[11:17] <taw> mv -i .* ~
[11:18] <pingvinas> and that's it?
[11:18] <taw> and on every question 'overwrite ....' answer is no
[11:18] <taw> man mv
[11:18] <pingvinas> so i should write '*~' without space?
[11:19] <taw> no
[11:19] <taw> ~ is your home dir
[11:19] <pingvinas> so i should write '* home'?
[11:19] <taw> you can also say 'mv -i * ../migi/' yif you feel better with it
[11:20] <pingvinas> oh i see now
[11:20] <pingvinas> and i should do that in shell too?
[11:20] <taw> yes
[11:20] <pingvinas> and then write 'man mv'?
[11:21] <pingvinas> and after that 'exit'?
[11:21] <taw> you can do same thing in graphical file manager also if you feel more comfortable with it
[11:21] <pingvinas> i will do it in shell i guess
[11:22] <taw> that 'man mv ' is only if you want to know what that mv -i means
[11:22] <pingvinas> so after 'mv -i * ../migi/' i should write 'exit' directly?
[11:22] <taw> you want to do that 'mv -i .* ~' also
[11:22] <pingvinas> yes
[11:23] <pingvinas> and then exit?
[11:23] <taw> if you want
[11:23] <taw> or you can leave shell open
[11:23] <pingvinas> and then i get back to kernel?
[11:23] <pingvinas> ok i try now
[11:23] <pingvinas> thanks a lot taw!
[11:24] <taw> wait
[11:24] <pingvinas> ??
[11:24] <taw> you can run those 'mv' commands in terminal, as youself, doesn't need to be root
[11:25] <pingvinas> ok so no i go to recovery mode, then "cd /home" then "mv migi migi.org", then "mkdir migi", then "chown migi: migi", exit and then do the "mv" commands in terminal back in kernel, right?
[11:27] <pingvinas> is that right?
[11:27] <pingvinas> taw?
[11:27] <taw> your usage of 'kernel' word is correct
[11:29] <pingvinas> sorry?
[11:29] <taw> what you mean with 'kernel' ?
[11:29] <pingvinas> i mean back to desktop
[11:30] <taw> 'ok so no i go to recovery mode, then "cd /home" then "mv migi migi.org", then "mkdir migi", then "chown migi: migi", exit and then do the "mv" commands in terminal back in desktop'
[11:30] <taw> yes, that's correct
[11:30] <pingvinas> ok
[11:30] <pingvinas> thanks a lot, taw
[11:30] <taw> no prob
[11:56] <pingvinas> taw, it doesn't work anyway. it didn't create new .gconf or .gnome
[11:57] <pingvinas> so i don't know how to get those directories back
[11:58] <taw> is your xubuntu upgraded from some earlier version?
[11:59] <pingvinas> i think it's the last one
[11:59] <pingvinas> how can i check?
[11:59] <pingvinas> i just installed it two months ago or so
[11:59] <taw> ok then, if you know you haven't upgraded form one version to another
[12:00] <taw> ' ... from one ...'
[12:00] <pingvinas> but would it make any difference?
[12:00] <pingvinas> so i should type ' ... from one ... ' in terminal?
[12:01] <taw> I was just thinking if those directories were created with old distribution, and aren't really used anymore
[12:01] <taw> but you still have some problem, what was the error?
[12:02] <pingvinas> it says on start up that the gnome configuration power adapter is wrecked
[12:02] <pingvinas> power adaptor or something...
[12:02] <taw> on menu, take 'settings -> power management'
[12:03] <pingvinas> it says 'the configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been isntalled correctly
[12:03] <pingvinas> '
[12:03] <pingvinas> so it's something with power adapter
[12:04] <pingvinas> any idea how to solve this problem?
[12:07] <taw> have you tried google?
[12:07] <pingvinas> no, not yet
[12:08] <pingvinas> looking, but can't find anything
[12:10] <taw> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-980711.html
[12:10] <taw> first hit with search 'the configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been isntalled correctly'
[12:13] <pingvinas> shall i try to reinstall it?
[12:13] <pingvinas> 'apt-get --reinstall install gnome-power-manager' in terminal?
[12:15] <taw> 'sudo' in front of that
[12:15] <pingvinas> yeah, do you think i should do that?
[12:16] <taw> yes
[12:19] <pingvinas> taw, it still says the same error
[12:20] <pingvinas> it's probably because i removed .gconf and .gnome
[12:20] <pingvinas> since before that it was ok
[12:22] <taw> config defaults and use .gnome and .gconfd are different thing
[12:22] <taw> I would suspect reason is something else
[12:22] <taw> but gotta go
[12:37] <bradley__> hi.  i am trying to delete some (lots and lots) if files from a usb drive.  for some reason the default action seems to be to move the files into the trash on my computer.  is there a way to have it bypass that and just delete them directly form the usb drive?
[13:00] <dixon2081> cannot log into xcfe4 any tips?
[13:00] <dixon2081> i am using ubuntu 8.10 with kubuntu and xubuntu desktops
[13:06] <charlie-tca> dixon2081: any error messages?
[13:06] <dixon2081> no
[13:06] <dixon2081> it goes right back to the log in screen
[13:26] <dixon2081> how would i set xcfe4 back to defaults thru terminal, what codes do i need to enter?
[13:28] <charlie-tca> delete ~/.config/xfce4 and ~/.config/xfce4-session and restart the system. That will delete all changes you have made to it.
[13:37] <reynante> my listen music player does not play my mp3s continuously, how do i fix this?
[13:37] <reynante> after playing a song, it will not play the next song
[13:38] <charlie-tca> Are they all listed in the playlist on the left?
[13:39] <reynante> yes
[13:39] <reynante> its in full display mode
[13:40] <dixon20811> i got a bash with that command you gave me
[13:40] <charlie-tca> reynante: I don't know enough about it. wel will see if someone else can answer
[13:40] <reynante> left side is the album, right sides are the songs
[13:40] <charlie-tca> dixon20811: what do you mean you got a bash?
[13:40] <reynante> maybe the player hates avril lavigne
[13:40] <reynante> :)
[13:41] <charlie-tca> reynante: maybe?
[13:41] <dixon20811> well it said it could not remove the file
[13:43] <charlie-tca> That is probably the problem, then. If you were in your HOME directory, you should be the owner and able to remove them
[13:43] <charlie-tca> perhaps kubuntu changed permissions
[13:43] <dixon20811> idk
[13:43] <dixon20811> i just had to set kde back to default
[13:44] <dixon20811> now im trying to set gnome back to default
[13:44] <dixon20811> and then xfce4 back to default
[13:45] <reynante> charlie-tca, got it, the file needs to be enqueued
[13:45] <charlie-tca> great. glad you got it.
[13:45] <reynante> <-- windows fanboy
[13:46] <dixon20811> <--- hates windows
[13:46] <reynante> not yet familiar with the new additions of xubuntu
[13:46] <dixon20811> well i got it thru sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:46] <dixon20811> with ubuntu 8.10
[13:46] <reynante> well we can't do away with windows, adobe cs3 programs, autocad, 3dstudio max and stuff
[13:47] <dixon20811> <- has had success with wine :)
[13:48] <reynante> well if you configure and maintain win xp right, you can run it with a p3 machine with 128mb ram
[13:48] <reynante> although xubuntu would run faster :)
[13:48] <dixon20811> :)
[13:49] <dixon20811> <- likes ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu, but likes xubuntu the best :)
[13:49] <reynante> of all the buntus, i like xubuntu best too
[13:49] <dixon20811> :)
[13:49] <reynante> ubuntu = 2 hand broad sword , xubuntu = katana
[13:50] <dixon20811> :)
[13:50] <dixon20811> windows = bastard sword :p
[13:51] <dixon20811> brb
[13:51] <dixon20811> gotta c if something worked...
[13:52] <ball> I just gave Xubuntu a plug on the Illinois school tech geeks mailing list.
[13:52] <ball> ...because I like it.
[13:53] <charlie-tca> Thank you, ball
[13:53] <charlie-tca> good news is always welcome
[13:53] <ball> charlie-tca: No problem.  Someone on there asked what OS to run on a Pentium III box.
[13:54] <ball> ...so I offered up my vote.
[13:54] <genii> A low-overhead one ;)
[13:54] <charlie-tca> Easy question, huh?
[13:54] <ball> Ah, now I get to read other people's suggestions.
[13:55] <ball> I wonder what "Zenwalk" is.
[13:55] <ball> Ah, someone else suggested Ubuntu
[13:55] <ball> I think I would prefer Xubuntu even on a faster box.
[13:56] <genii> For many people the xfce desktop confuses them, I've found
[13:56] <ball> I'm trialling Xfce at a site about 130 miles S. of here.
[13:57] <ball> That's not being done on Xubuntu yet though.
[13:57] <ball> I should say "preparing to trial"
[13:58] <ball> At the moment their desktops are running on a server with NetBSD, but I've done it on Ubuntu Server before now too.
[13:58] <genii> At one of my jobs we are putting Xubuntu on about 2500 old p2 boxes
[13:58] <ball> genii: There's a 300 MHz Celeron Covington box behind me.
[13:58] <genii> Hehe, nice
[13:58] <ball> I tried installing Ubuntu Server on it last night, but the installer wouldn't work with the display adaptor.
[13:59] <ball> genii: I've had to press it into service as a test rig, to replace my 800 MHz Pentium III box that died.
[13:59] <reynante> genii, wish i can help you install xubuntu
[13:59] <reynante> 2500 units = thats quite a handful
[14:00] <reynante> what are they for? school?
[14:00] <ball> Oh good!  Someone else plugged Xubuntu too!
[14:00] <ball> Ideally it'll become the default school OS for Illinois :-)
[14:01] <genii> reynante: We got them from city hall, old office boxes (Dell GX1) . The place I am working for is a community based ISP. So we are putting Xubuntu, with old dialup modems and giving them away to ppl without computers and internet, etc.
[14:01] <ball> Wait, you said 2,500 ?!
[14:01] <reynante> wow, thats great genii
[14:01] <genii> ball: Yes. We had over 3,000 but some were no good and got stripped
[14:02] <reynante> if people shared like this, i dont think that life would be hard
[14:02] <ball> genii: how will they connect to your ISP?  Via POTS?
[14:02] <genii> ball: Yup
[14:02] <ball> genii: do you have a bank of analogue modems, or something like a T-1 line?
[14:02] <reynante> linux will the backbone of things when shtf
[14:02] <genii> ball: We have 2 PRI
[14:03] <ball> genii: both for inbound calls, or is one a trunk to the Internet?
[14:03] <genii> ball: Both for incoming, one line reserved for incoming system access only for terminal to the routers, servers, etc
[14:04] <ball> genii: where are you btw?
[14:04] <genii> ball: Toronto, Canada
[14:04] <ball> HAH!  I knew it!
[14:04] <reynante> wish i can migrate to canada :)
[14:05] <ball> reynante: that's on my "to-do" list
[14:05] <reynante> then work with genii to help install xubuntu
[14:05] <reynante> ball, where are you from?
[14:05] <ball> reynante: I'm British, but I live in Illinois, USA
[14:05] <reynante> ah
[14:05] <reynante> im pinoy, from the philippines
[14:06] <ball> Once I have this disk ready, I should try installing Xubuntu on this box.  It's possible the installer doesn't suffer the same problem as Ubuntu Server
[14:07] <ball> It probably wants more than 192 Mbytes RAM though.
[14:08] <ball> ...the most this box will take is 256M
[14:08] <charlie-tca> ball: I have tested Jaunty in 128MB ram. Using the alternate cd, you can install and run fine in 192MB
[14:08] <charlie-tca> (a little slow, maybe)
[14:09] <charlie-tca> and that with a STB Velocity 4MB video card, too
[14:10] <genii> I have built a netboot server which auto-installs currently 8.04 on them, registers the MAC and then next reboot they get incremental names/logins
[14:11] <ball> genii: that sounds like a sensible approach.  Do they all have PXE firmware?
[14:11] <ball> ...or bootp at least?
[14:11] <genii> 256 seems optimal, according to our current testing. You can have browser, editor, IM and file manager all open without yet going into swap
[14:12] <genii> ball: Yes, the nics can pxeboot
[14:12] <ball> genii: Hmm... do I really want to spend US$ 20 on this box though? :-)
[14:13] <ball> hello crazygir
[14:13] <crazygir> hiya hiya!
[14:13] <crazygir> 8.10 is associated with which ubuntu version? I get lost in the silly names
[14:13] <crazygir> despite loving pixar
[14:13] <charlie-tca> genii: that sounds about right. I found that 256MB is about ideal for general use without too much limitations
[14:13] <genii> Intrepid Ibex
[14:14] <ball> Now, there's a Pentium III box beside me that could take 768 Mbytes.
[14:14] <ball> I think that's a better candidate for Xubuntu.
[14:14] <genii> charlie-tca: We found at 192 that swap starts to get used earlier
[14:14] <ball> (or would be, if I bought more RAM for it)
[14:14] <pleia2> crazygir: debian is the one that has pixar names :) ubuntu is kinda arbitrary animals
[14:14] <genii> So since these boxes have 6.5Gb hd we wanted to minimize bottlenecks, etc
[14:14] <charlie-tca> genii: it does. but at one or two applications only at a time, it remained useable
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Unless one is Xchat. That seems to eat the memory
[14:15] <ball> 256 Mbytes PC100 ECC, US$ 30
[14:15] <genii> charlie-tca: Yes. In xfce we used for benchmark: pidgen, firefox, abiword, and thunar
[14:15] <ball> czesc Riotta
[14:16] <ball> oops, missed him or her
[14:17] <reynante> xubuntu updated itself yesterday after installation and there are two choices when you press esc during grub bootup. how do i remove the older one
[14:24] <crazygir> pleia2: oh right. silly linux :P
[14:30] <crazygir> is pidgin 2.5.5 available for 8.10? i can't seem to get an updated package
[14:35] <charlie-tca> crazygir: I only show it at 2.5.2
[14:36] <ball> kancerman: hey neigbour
[14:49] <crazygir> charlie-tca: ditto
[14:49] <ball> ooh... tea!
[14:49] <crazygir> how would I get 2.5.5? ICQ has updated their protocol, which 2.5.2 barfs on
[14:49]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:49] <genii> Damned AOL
[14:49] <crazygir> they're all idiotic :P
[14:51] <genii> crazygir: http://www.getdeb.net/app/Pidgin   has 2.5.5
[14:56] <ball> genii: is your ISP a co-op?
[14:56] <genii> ball: Yes
[14:56] <genii> Since 1994 :)
[14:56] <ball> I've thought about doing something related down here, but on a much smaller scale of course.
[15:00] <crazygir> genii: I don't quite understand.. can this not be installed through the package manager?
[15:00]  * crazygir misses ports
[15:01] <ball> crazygir: FreeBSD person?
[15:01] <crazygir> Open
[15:01] <ball> Ah okay.
[15:01]  * crazygir nods
[15:01] <ball> NetBSD man myself.
[15:01] <crazygir> :)
[15:02] <ball> Trying to use Xubuntu and Ubuntu Server more these days though (for some things)
[15:04] <crazygir> I thought it was supposed to be simple :p
[15:04] <ball> It has been for me, except for the initial culture shock ;-)
[15:05] <crazygir> is it possible to install pidgin 2.5.5 with synaptic
[15:05] <crazygir> ?
[15:05] <crazygir> I like avoiding screwing with installing packages by hand
[15:06] <ball> what version do you get with "sudo apt-get install pidgin" ?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You should be able to download it, double-click it to install
[15:07] <charlie-tca> or, Jaunty alpha 6 is coming 2009-03-12, and you could upgrade to jaunty and have it
[15:08] <charlie-tca> or, you could add the Jaunty universe repository to intrepid and then it should be able to upgrade itself
[15:09] <charlie-tca> but that might not work
[15:10] <crazygir> ball: 2.5.2
[15:11] <ball> What does 2.5.5 offer over 2.5.2?
[15:11] <crazygir> ICQ changed their protocol
[15:12] <charlie-tca> ball: <crazygir> how would I get 2.5.5? ICQ has updated their protocol, which 2.5.2 barfs on
[15:12] <crazygir> thanks :)
[15:12] <ball> Ah, okay.
[15:12] <ball> I did see that earlier, but I wasn't paying attention.
[15:13]  * charlie-tca gonna slap attention to ball
[15:13] <ball> charlie-tca: hey, I've got tea here so hopefully the caffeine will help.
[15:13] <charlie-tca> I'm sure it will. It always helps me.
[15:13]  * charlie-tca still working on the morning coffer
[15:13] <genii> crazygir: Since 2.5.5 is not in official release yet, the only way currently is to manually install a .deb file, such as the one at getdeb.net. It's not so painful :)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> s/coffer/coffee
[15:15] <genii> When you d/l the deb file it whould prompt you to open it with gdebi or so, which will install it
[15:16] <charlie-tca> but, use Synaptic Package Manager to remove "pidgin-data" first. That will remove pidgin also
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Then you can install the pidgin files on the download page
[15:19] <ball> genii: so, once pidgin is officially released with support for the new protocol, then there will be a binary package for it?
[15:20] <genii> ball: Yes, I imagine it will be backported. So updates will just overwrite the getdeb version (unless it has been specifically pinned)
[15:20]  * ball isn't sure what all that means.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> it just means that after installing 2.5.5 from debian, if xubuntu updates intrepid, it will still work
[15:23] <charlie-tca> unless you do some adjustments specifically telling Xubuntu not to touch the pidgin files
[15:23]  * charlie-tca thinks that is what genii said
[15:26] <crazygir> genii: sure it is ;)
[15:28] <genii> charlie-tca: Yes, exactly
[15:51] <crazygir> genii: so when using  these packages, I'm told to run sudo apt-get on the cmd line, which errors out with E: Couldn't find package pidgin-data_2.5.5-1~getdeb1_all.deb
[15:51] <ablomen> crazygir, sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[15:52] <genii> crazygir: If you are installing from command-line use instead:    sudo dpkg -i pidgin-data_2.5.5-1~getdeb1_all.deb
[15:52] <crazygir> ah
[15:52]  * genii hands ablomen a coffee
[15:52] <crazygir> -f is for fix, I assumed file
[15:52] <ablomen> heh
[15:53]  * charlie-tca thinks it is only for confusion
[15:53] <crazygir> wow.. this is *wonderfully* sensible
[15:54] <crazygir>  /end sarcasm
[16:18] <sekel> how do i upgrade to the new xfce?
[16:29] <sekel> how do i upgrade to the new XFCE?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> sekel: what version of xubuntu?
[16:30] <freego> sekel, what version of xfce?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Jaunty has Xfce 4.6 already
[16:30] <sekel> hmmm
[16:30] <sekel> i dont know
[16:30] <sekel> :(
[16:31] <sekel> what is jaunty
[16:31] <charlie-tca> go to Applications -> About Xfce; click the infor tab
[16:31] <charlie-tca> What version does it give
[16:31] <sekel> just says xfcei have 4.4
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Are you using Xubuntu?
[16:31] <sekel> yes
[16:31] <charlie-tca> 4.4.??
[16:31] <freego> sekel, wich version?
[16:31] <freego> intrepid?
[16:32] <sekel> version 4.4.3 (Xfce 4.4)
[16:32] <sekel> xubuntu 8.10
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Okay. You can get a copy here: Get it here: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa . File the bugs against it and subcribe charlie-tca to them, please.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> oops. Do not file bugs on Launchpd. They must be filed on xfce.bugzilla.org instead
[16:33] <charlie-tca> nope. http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[16:34] <sekel> rthx
[16:34] <sekel> thx
[16:46] <brandonban6> can't you just download 4.6 from xfce.org instead of running a distro upgrade?
[16:48] <charlie-tca> you can, but you may have to fight the packages more because of dependencies. The PPA has everything needed to make it work in Xubuntu
[16:49] <brandonban6> ahh, I see. Does make sense.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> That's why it is not recommended to directly install it. It just doesn't work
[16:52] <brandonban6> I find that with a few things in linux though.......it seems there are several things I have to arm wrestle...partly because I'm running ubuntu and in a windows environment at work (xubuntu at home).
[16:58] <sekel> i added the repo but it shows no upgrades for my system stil
[16:59] <charlie-tca> did you do apt-get update?
[16:59] <sekel> i did
[16:59] <sekel> :S
[16:59] <sekel> i didnt ad the key thingy though
[17:02] <sekel> odd
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Did you follow the instructions here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[17:11] <charlie-tca> After adding the ppa and key, you should be able to sudo apt-get install xfce4-4.6.0pa1ĩntrepid1
[17:11] <charlie-tca> I think
[17:11] <sinbox> I'm trying "sudo xinit -- :2" to test an edited xorg.conf but I just get errors any ideas?
[17:53] <sinbox> anyone can help me with forcing my screen resolution as my KVM is not passing the monitor's EDID correctly
[17:58] <genii> Temporarily bypass the kvm, install read-edid package, issue:  sudo get-edid | parse-edid and use result to make a resolution entry in the xorg.conf. Then plug your kvm back in the middle.
[18:06] <sinbox> wil try that genii thanks, I already made some entry in xorg.conf though but it does not seem to force the resolution and won't give me more than 800x600, will report after trying your idea though
[18:12]  * brandonban6 is away: [Time to Grub]
[18:22]  * brandonban6 is back (gone 00:09:56)
[18:22] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell brandonban6 about away
[18:23] <Myrtti> brandonban6: turn that off.
[18:23]  * charlie-tca thanks Myrtti
[18:25] <brandonban6> okay, thank you Myrtti
[18:31] <RurouniJones> Hoi all, which MP3 player / library app would you recommend for xubuntu?
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Listen Music Player is the default for Xubuntu
[18:32] <RurouniJones> Hmm, it isn't in my Multimedia menu section
[18:32] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[18:32] <RurouniJones> Hardy but I just found it in the repo, no worries.
[18:44] <basajaun> hi need help with compositor
[18:48] <knome> !ask | basajaun
[18:51] <basajaun> I have used a script called Compiz-check was asked for the test if I wanted to turn compositor off , yes, but now the option has disappeared from window manager tweak
[18:52] <basajaun> how do I restore the WMT to its original settings with the compositor tab?
[18:54] <brandonban6> RurouniJones, I really like banshee for mp3s if you want to explore other options :)
[19:02] <RurouniJones> Gracias
[19:03] <basajaun> After using Compiz-check script compositor tab has disappeared from window manager tweak how do I restore settings
[19:22] <Salix_> Hello! How to convert all the SVG files (*.svg) to PNG files (*.png) the easiest way?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> imagemagik
[19:24] <knome> or inkscape command line
[19:25] <charlie-tca> sounds like "command line" either way
[19:25] <Salix_> command line is OK
[19:25] <Salix_> but using "convert *.svg *.png" gives me a bunch of strangely named png files :-/
[19:26] <charlie-tca> knome knows more art stuff than me. I just stumble on it
[19:27] <knome> Salix_, inkscape --export-png=FILENAME
[19:27] <knome> Salix_, you might need to create some kind of loop to go through all the svg's
[19:38] <Salix_> with a loop it was rather fast... but it's a pitty that I couldn't figure out how to do it otherwise
[19:38] <Salix_> thanks anyway!
[19:38] <Salix_> :-)
[19:42] <milkytoast> hello, I am having a problem with my screensaver.  I am on an older system with an intel 82810E built on video card.  I went poking around the screensavers when I selected antsearchlight,  Xorg freeked out and started giving me odd color patterns on the screen.  I do not have openGL enabled mainly because this card doesn't support it well and I don't really need it.  I do need to know how to reset the screen saver to blank. Thank you
[19:43] <milkytoast> I did try ~/gconf/gnomescreensaver/%gconf.xml
[19:44] <milkytoast> but when I opened up the screensaver menu again it was back to antsearch light... and I had to reboot
[19:44] <knome> !screensaver
[19:45] <milkytoast> ok
[19:45] <milkytoast> !screensaver at the console?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[19:45] <milkytoast> 8.10
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I am bringing it up, just a minute
[19:51] <batcoder-7> did xubuntu ever fix that bloat problem it had with 8.04?
[19:53] <milkytoast> it seems like it to me, this runs fairly well on this older system
[19:53] <milkytoast> P3 700,  256MB of ram
[19:53] <basajaun> compositor tab gone any Ideas how to restore  Window Manager Tweak?
[19:54] <n2diy> Hi long time Ubuntu user here. I just upgraded from Dapper to Hardy, and found it is a little challenging for my hardware, so I'm going to give Xubuntu a test drive, any tips or tricks I should be aware of before I start my journey?
[19:54] <milkytoast> what is your hardware?
[19:55] <n2diy> batcoder-7: what bloat problem?
[19:56] <batcoder-7> it got much beffer in its last release
[19:56] <charlie-tca> milkytoast: I would try deleting ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-screensaver
[19:56] <n2diy> milkytoast: PIII/500mhz, 256m ram, 8.5g HD
[19:56] <charlie-tca> The screensaver will rebuild it, and it is the screensaver configuration file.
[19:57] <milkytoast> ahh
[19:57] <milkytoast> should I try and kill the screen saver daemon in case there are any saved preferences stored in it?
[19:58] <n2diy> nothing heard, away I go, hopefully I'll be chatting with you on Xubuntu, in half an hour or so.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> It shouldn't matter.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> n2diy: you are doing a fresh install?
[20:00] <n2diy> Whoops, not so fast,
[20:00] <n2diy> charlie-tca: umm, yes, over a fresh install of Ubuntu 8.04
[20:01] <charlie-tca> basajaun: Might try removing and reinstalling xfwm4, which is the window manager
[20:01] <charlie-tca> You should be fine, as long as you are not just adding xubuntu-desktop to gnome. That would not allow the lighter resources to work
[20:02] <basajaun> charlie-tca: using synaptic?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> basajaun: I would log out, open a tty2 (ctrl+alt+f2), and use apt-get there
[20:03] <n2diy> how do I start the install from Busybox? Or, is there another way to start the install other than booting the Xubuntu disk?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> If you are overwriting the ubuntu partition, I don't know any way to do it from busybox
[20:04] <basajaun> k Charlie thanks will try that and uninstall command ?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> basajaun: sudo apt-get remove xfwm4
[20:05] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install xfwm4
[20:05] <charlie-tca> should remove and reinstall. wait a minute, let me look something up.
[20:06] <basajaun> k
[20:08] <n2diy> Ok, how do I install Xubuntu?
[20:09] <knome> n2diy, di you already have a ubuntu/kubuntu system?
[20:10] <n2diy> knome: yes, Ubuntu 8.04, on this box, and my test box.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> basajaun: okay, that should work. You may have to restart if the desktop won't come up for you
[20:10] <charlie-tca> n2diy: normally from a cd you burned the image to, just like ubuntu
[20:10] <basajaun> k charlie-tca  thanks
[20:11] <basajaun> bye
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Good luck, basajaun
[20:11] <basajaun> ty
[20:11] <charlie-tca> !download
[20:11] <knome> fail
[20:11] <n2diy> charlie-tca: ok, but my cd is marked "boots to Busybox" is that normal?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> that kinda sucks
[20:12] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:12] <charlie-tca> n2diy: no, is that an Xubuntu cd?
[20:12] <n2diy> charlie-tca: yes, but I haven't tried it in a long time, so maybe it is something wierd here, let me give it another try, thanks.
[20:13] <milky_> well, didnt' work
[20:13] <milky_> but I did delete it then rebooted the machine and that worked
[20:14] <w33d> hi
[20:14] <milky_> thanks for you help
[20:14] <w33d> can somebode help mi with up my wlan0?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> so, milky_ you are back where you started with compositor missing?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> !somebody | w33d
[20:15] <w33d> :)
[20:15] <w33d> ok
[20:16] <milky_> oh,  I'm setup as milky and not milkytoast for some reason
[20:16] <w33d> does somebody speak polish? :D
[20:16] <milky_> my problem was just wiht the screen-saver
[20:16] <knome> w33d, nope. and this is not a polish support channel anyway :P
[20:16] <charlie-tca> oh!
[20:16] <charlie-tca> !polish
[20:17] <knome> charlie-tca, ! you beat me
[20:17] <w33d> thx
[20:17]  * charlie-tca happy today
[20:17]  * charlie-tca beat knome... he must have been daydreaming
[20:17] <brandonban6> lol, nice charlie-tca
[20:17] <knome> hehe
[20:18] <knome> maybe i'm just slower than normal today
[20:18] <charlie-tca> probably be another month before it happens again
[20:18] <knome> (or my content fetching script isn't working ;))
[20:18] <charlie-tca> That's it!
[20:19] <knome> mmh, i think i'll rip some cd's
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I tried that. It cut my hands up
[20:19] <knome> lol
[20:19] <knome> is it weird that my "play cd" action is "sound-juicer" ?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Depends on the xubuntu version. In jaunty, yes
[20:20] <knome> charlie-tca, is there a better ripper?!
[20:20] <charlie-tca> no, you upgraded instead of fresh install, right?
[20:20] <knome> upgrade, yes.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> probably normal, then
[20:21] <knome> that was mostly a theoretical/rhetorical question :P
[20:21] <charlie-tca> I don't know the cd ripper apps at all.
[20:21]  * charlie-tca wasted the answer again.
[20:21] <knome> i know grip and sound-juicer. that's all
[20:22] <knome> grip is good but it seems to have some nasty bugs and it's not maintained anymore.
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I turned some into mp3's, and don't know what I used to do that even
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I tried to do some more, but couldn't find the app I used.
[20:25] <w33d> who can i connetc to wifi? i config essid, key wep
[20:25] <w33d> and still not connected
[20:26] <charlie-tca> You have to unplug the network cable, I think.
[20:26] <charlie-tca> a little help here, on wireless, please
[20:27] <basajaun> vanished compositor tab in Window Manager Tweak
[20:27] <charlie-tca> still missing, basajaun ?
[20:28] <w33d> charlie-tca i have unplug
[20:28] <basajaun> yes charlie-tca  just rebooted after un/re-installing xfwm4
[20:28] <charlie-tca> We just have to wait for somebody else to help, w33d
[20:29] <w33d> problem is that im noob,
[20:29] <w33d> its my firts time with linux
[20:30] <n2diy> Ok, I tried installing Xubuntu, and it boots to Busybox, "initramfs" prompt?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> n2diy: that cd may be bad. Did it pass integrity check?
[20:31] <n2diy> charlie-tca: no, the check boots to the same thing.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Then it is a bad image. You need to download and burn the iso again
[20:32] <n2diy> charlie-tca: ok, drat, no blank CDs, can I burn it to DVD, and boot from that?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> yes, it should work the same
[20:33] <charlie-tca> But if it doesn't pass the cd integrity check, it also won't install, normally
[20:33] <n2diy> charlie-tca: ok, roger that, thanks.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[20:36] <knome> how do i rip a DVD audio disc?
[20:39] <milkytoast> might want md5 the CD image as well
[20:39] <milkytoast> n2diy
[20:49]  * charlie-tca seems to have used up all of his answers. May as well give up now
[20:49] <basajaun> not sure what to do now
[20:50] <charlie-tca> never give up. Just ask again later. More people will be around, maybe one will have the anser
[20:50] <charlie-tca> s/anser/answer
[20:50] <knome> basajaun, so you lack some compiz option?
[20:50] <knome> basajaun, or compiz broke something?
[20:52] <basajaun> not really knome , I have used a script to test my machine and I stupidly accepted that the script would stop compositor but now.....
[20:52] <knome> the xfwm compositor?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> The whole tab is missing from window manager tweaks, knome
[20:54] <knome> right.
[20:55] <basajaun> the script is caller Compiz-check , test if a computer can run compiz and says found a compositor cannot test... do you want to stop compositor
[20:55] <knome> basajaun, where did you download that?
[20:57] <basajaun> there http://forlong.blogage.de/entries/pages/Compiz-Check knome
[20:57] <knome> ok, let me see
[20:59] <knome> basajaun, waht happens if you run 'xfwm4' from terminal?
[21:02] <superdump> hello
[21:02] <superdump> this is a general question but i'm not sure where else to ask
[21:02] <knome> !hi | superdump
[21:02] <basajaun> xfwm4:8252 warning Another window manager is already running
[21:02] <knome> !somebody | superdump
[21:02] <knome> basajaun, ok.
[21:02] <knome> basajaun, suppose you have tried booting already?
[21:03] <basajaun> yes knome
[21:03] <superdump> knome: :) don't worry, i will. /me is an ffmpeg dev
[21:03] <basajaun> and I have de/re-installed xfwm4 from tty2
[21:04] <knome> basajaun, what does your ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml say? there should be an option "Xfwm/UseCompsiting"
[21:04] <superdump> i installed a machine a while ago and didn't create a separate home partition for whatever reason. now i want to reinstall the OS on the machine but before i do that i want to back up the home dir to another machine on my lan preserving ownership, permissions, etc etc so when the OS is set up again, i can copy everything back
[21:04] <superdump> i'm guessing using rsync for this would be good (i'm not a linux sys admin ;))
[21:04] <knome> basajaun, UseCompositing, of course.
[21:05] <superdump> but the rsync man page lists a lot of options, so it's difficult to know which to use
[21:05] <superdump> i found something suggesting -varpltz and run it as root, but that spat a lot of permissions errors
[21:05] <superdump> which makes it useless
[21:05] <superdump> does anyone have any suggestions?
[21:06] <knome> not really. use ssh? ;)
[21:06] <superdump> (to make this vaguely on topic, i'm fed up of my parents' pc running kubuntu because 4.1 is horrible so i'm making them use xubuntu instead)
[21:06] <basajaun> Use Compositing?
[21:07] <knome> basajaun, let me pastebin mine.
[21:07] <basajaun> ok
[21:08] <knome> basajaun, the first two lines are removed: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/129524/
[21:08] <knome> basajaun, see line 23
[21:08] <charlie-tca> superdump: rsync auREq /FROM/DIRECTORY/ /TO/DIRECTORY will copy all files including hidden files
[21:08] <superdump> ok
[21:08] <knome> basajaun, maybe if you set that to 1 you might get the tab back.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> The R option says use relative pathnames, so it will set them to the partition
[21:09] <superdump> and preserve all permissions, ownership and timestamps regardless of the user conducting the rsync command? (assuming they have permissions to copy the files)
[21:09] <charlie-tca> If you include a 'n' it will dry run the rsync so you can see what it will do
[21:10] <superdump> ok
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I would then delete most of the hidden files, if you don't mind reconfiguring everything, to avoid incompatibility with kde and xubuntu
[21:11] <charlie-tca> (applies mostly to .config and .cache and .gconf types
[21:11] <basajaun> knome: its is on 1
[21:12] <knome> basajaun, ok. do you have xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra installed?
[21:12] <knome> basajaun, you might try to purge remove it and reinstall.
[21:13] <knome> basajaun, also xfce4-mcs-manager and xfce4-settings
[21:13] <basajaun> what the commands?
[21:14] <basajaun> are the commands
[21:16] <basajaun> knome from tty?
[21:17] <basajaun> I ĺl try that
[21:20] <superdump> charlie-tca: thanks
[21:20] <superdump> have fun peoples
[21:23] <basajaun> knome:  using aptitude purge?
[21:24] <knome> basajaun, apt-get --purge remove ...
[21:24] <knome> basajaun, or from synaptic with removing completely
[21:25] <basajaun> k thanks
[21:25] <basajaun> Ill do that now
[21:25] <knome> yeah.
[21:50] <basajaun> hi
[21:51] <basajaun> knome: no joy un/re-installed xfce4 mcs manager and plug-ins
[21:51] <basajaun> still not copositing
[21:51] <basajaun> jinxed
[21:51] <basajaun> compositing
[22:15] <basajaun> I guess
[22:16] <_Pete_> !usb
[22:16] <knome> basajaun, ok...
[22:16] <knome> JPohlmann, maybe you knw why compositor tab has disappeared from the settings manager?
[22:17] <basajaun> lol
[22:18] <knome> basajaun, why lol? he's our xfce liaison.
[22:19] <Myrtti> ♥ JPohlmann
[22:19] <knome> Myrtti, yes.
[22:19] <basajaun> was just a nervous laugh
[22:19] <knome> Myrtti, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-September/006528.html
[22:19] <basajaun> been staring at screen for a while
[22:20] <Myrtti> knome: yes?
[22:20] <basajaun> no offense mean and I d love to know
[22:20] <Myrtti> knome: you're not exactly telling me anything new here ;-)
[22:20] <knome> Myrtti, nevermind. :P
[22:20] <knome> Myrtti, why ? then? :P
[22:21] <Myrtti> knome: just wondering where you're getting at since you should know that I preeetty much know all that already ;-P
[22:21] <Myrtti> nevermind :-D
[22:21] <Myrtti> I'm feeling jovial as today is a painfree day
[22:21] <knome> Myrtti, hah. :) onnea
[22:21] <_TuGa_> hello i'm about to install xubuntu on a lapi with 4gb ram can anyone please tell me what should be the swap part size?
[22:22] <Myrtti> _TuGa_: do you plan to use hiberation on the computer?
[22:22] <knome> +n
[22:22] <knome> ;P
[22:23] <Myrtti> though, in my case painfree is a relative term as my right lower limb is never ok, but anyway...
[22:23] <knome> yeah. my back hurt sooooo much earlier.
[22:24] <Myrtti> I'm only on my second year with this :-/
[22:24] <knome> i really should go to sleep. i was snoring already at 8pm when i lying down to fill a crossword
[22:24] <knome> +wnet
[22:24] <knome> d'oh!
[22:24] <knome> good night. :)
[22:25] <Myrtti> nini knome
[22:25] <knome> see you later.
[22:25] <knome> basajaun, good luck :)
[22:25] <basajaun> thanks knome
[22:26] <basajaun> thanks for taking the time
[22:27] <basajaun> getting cross eyed bye all
[22:34] <wrinkliez> ah, maybe you guys can help me. ive been messing around with the new xfce power manager and i cant figure out if there is a way to actually dim my screen?
[23:26] <ferdi> hi everyone what is the differnece xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-alternate ??
[23:27] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-desktop cd is also a live cd. It has a graphical installer
[23:27] <David-A> ferdi: alternate has text-based install and need less memory during install
[23:27] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-alternate needs less memory to install Xubuntu.
[23:28] <ferdi> can i use alternete with wubi??
[23:29] <ferdi> and after installation do i need to do something for wireless??
[23:29] <ferdi> may wireless card is broadcom it works in ubuntu in default
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I don't believe you can use the alternate cd with wubi, but I have never used wubi
[23:30] <charlie-tca> If the card works in Ubuntu, it should work in Xubuntu also
[23:30] <charlie-tca> We remove gnome desktop and add Xfce desktop
[23:32] <ferdi> charlie-tca,  Xfce isn't it default?
[23:33] <ferdi> i want to use Xfce
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Xfce is the default installed desktop environment in Xubuntu
[23:33] <charlie-tca> But most of the underlying operating system is the same as Ubuntu
[23:33] <ferdi> ohh you  remove gnome desktop and add Xfce desktop in ubutnu , right?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:34] <charlie-tca> with a few more changes, but that is the major difference
[23:34] <ferdi> why dou you do this i mean why don't you just downlad xubuntu
[23:34] <charlie-tca> That is xubuntu
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That's why if your wireless worked in Ubuntu, it should work in Xubuntu
[23:35] <ferdi> no no you say we delete gnome after add Xfice im saying why you do this Xfce is default in xubuntu
[23:36] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry, I seem to have worded that wrong then.
[23:36] <ferdi> why you donwload ubuntu than remove gnome add xubuntu at the begining just donwload xbuntu ??
[23:36] <charlie-tca> no
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu uses gnome desktop environment. Xubuntu uses Xfce desktop environment
[23:37] <ferdi> =) ok
[23:37] <ferdi> thanlk you
[23:37] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:46] <ferdi> BTW yes i can use WUBI with xubuntu-desktop


[01:48] <tony> I need help with creating a new page on the Ubuntu User Documentation site. Is this the right place?
[02:19] <jbicha> tony: probably
[02:20] <tony> Oh wow, somebody is in here. I figured it out. It had something to do with my account. I created a new launchpad account and then I was able to make a new page with that.
[09:42] <artnay> hopefully someone can review the whole "Tile windows" section as in its current form it's just misinformation, see bug 975813 and bug 975825
[09:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975813 in ubuntu-docs ""Tile windows" section contains non-working keyboard shortcut and mentions "Windows key"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975813
[09:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975825 in ubuntu-docs ""Tile windows" section contains misinformation on how to restore window size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975825


[02:58] <sebsebseb> nisshh: well we just talked about this else where, and I thought, let's join to see who's in here still and such
[02:58] <sebsebseb> first time for me in here since uhmm 2010 some time
[02:58] <nisshh> sebsebseb, sorry dude, but i really have to go clean out my gutters :)
[02:58] <sebsebseb> nisshh: yes I know
[02:59] <nisshh> im not joking
[02:59] <nisshh> itll take me 4 hours
[03:01] <godbyk> nisshh: cleaning out the gutters is no fun.
[03:01] <nisshh> godbyk, especially not in 38 C heat :)
[03:01] <godbyk> nisshh: I had to shovel some snow earlier today.  hopefully it'll continue melting, though. :)
[03:01] <nisshh> and its not even at its peak yet
[03:02] <godbyk> nisshh: yeah, it's hovering around 0 C here at the moment.
[03:02] <godbyk> Warmest it's been in a few weeks.
[03:02] <nisshh> ok bbl
[03:02] <nisshh> cya
[03:02] <godbyk> see ya, nisshh
[03:03] <godbyk> Hey, sebsebseb. So what's up?
[03:03] <sebsebseb> godbyk: not much
[03:04] <sebsebseb> godbyk: also your name seems a little familur maybe
[03:04] <sebsebseb> IRC nick
[03:04] <godbyk> sebsebseb: We've spoken before, I'm sure.
[03:04] <sebsebseb> yeah maybe
[03:04] <godbyk> I recall you attended some of the ubuntu manual meetings, at least.
[03:05] <godbyk> I don't recall if you worked on translations or not.
[03:05] <sebsebseb> yeah I have been  around in the channel before, when chat about the manual and benjamin was here and such
[03:05] <godbyk> it's been pretty quiet lately.
[03:05] <sebsebseb> godbyk: no I never contributed to the Ubuntu Manual, and that's something I am not intending to do either,  because I want to help with another distro that is on the verge of being made :)
[03:06] <godbyk> sebsebseb: fair enough. :-)
[03:06] <godbyk> which distro is that?
[03:06] <sebsebseb> plus anyway even before that, I wasn't planning on contributing to the manual either
[03:07] <sebsebseb> godbyk: pm if you really want to know,  I don't want to say in here, because from expereince of mentioning other distros in Ubuntu channels,  some people get rather silly about that,  or maybe that's only the core support channels, but still
[03:08] <godbyk> fair enough.  is it ubuntu/debian based? or based on something else?
[03:08] <sebsebseb> based on something else
[03:08] <godbyk> cool.
[03:09] <sebsebseb> I hope it will gain quite a lot of users in the future, like next year and half, or two years or so,  Ubuntu needs some good competition on the desktop :)
[03:10] <godbyk> Anything that improves the desktop experience is a good thing, in my book!
[03:10] <sebsebseb> godbyk: well Unity won't improve the actsual proper Desktop Expereince, when other distros can't just provide it!
[03:11] <godbyk> sebsebseb: What do you mean?
[03:11] <sebsebseb> and also when developers of other distros, won't just want to contribute code to it many of them,  because of the copyright assignmetns
[03:11] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I think Unity can improve the desktop expereince of Linux distros, once the issues with it are solved
[03:11] <godbyk> Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the copyright assignment stuff.
[03:11] <sebsebseb> if they don't get solved and other distros want to provide though, well they can fork
[03:12] <godbyk> I haven't used Unity at all yet.  Have you?  How's it coming along?
[03:12] <sebsebseb> also with CA upstream Gnome can't adopt Unity either
[03:12] <sebsebseb> yeah I did Ubuntu 10.10 desktop edition, and then installed Lubuntu and Xubuntu and Kubuntu (I think I did as well)
[03:12] <sebsebseb> and  installed Unity
[03:13] <godbyk> Doesn't the CA only come into play if you want to contribute code to Unity (e.g., a patch or such)?
[03:13] <sebsebseb> well after the Nivida driver,  so yeah I tried out on my desktop the 10.10 version, mainly with Lubuntu, sometimes Ubuntu, and yeah it was alright
[03:13] <sebsebseb> then I ran Fedora 13 and 14 for a bit
[03:13] <sebsebseb> then I tried out Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 for a bit
[03:13] <sebsebseb> removing Fedora yeah
[03:14] <godbyk> Unfortunately, I don't have time to play with the various distros anymore.
[03:14] <sebsebseb> then I put on PC Linux OS,  which I am still on for now, but  I don't  know, I mean Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 2 out soon, and I might  just run it in Virtuablox 4.0 if I  set it up properly
[03:15] <sebsebseb> and get Gnome Shell from the Gnome site,  their way, since this distro don't have any Gnome SHell previews in repos
[03:15] <godbyk> Have you tried GNOME Shell yet?  How do you like it?
[03:15] <sebsebseb> godbyk: ,but  whatever I run on this computer, untill the distro I want to use is more ready for me, well  is just tempory really
[03:15] <godbyk> (I used to run the latest alphas and whatnot, but since I have to develop software for work, I need to keep my machine somewhat stable.)
[03:16] <sebsebseb> yeah I did the Gnome Shell preview in  Mandriva 2010.1  so it was the 2.29.1 version or whatever, which is about a year old now
[03:16] <sebsebseb> other computer still has Mandriva with that as well
[03:16] <sebsebseb> it was nice, ran it for a while  nearly every day and yeah :) on this computer
[03:17] <sebsebseb> then there was an update I think actsauly to a slightly later one, but  I want to run the like proper later one, but need to set things up so I can do that
[03:17] <godbyk> cool.
[03:17] <sebsebseb> godbyk: the distro I am waiting for,  won't get Gnome 3 by default, not in the first version, but I guess for the second it will have
[03:17] <godbyk> I hope that Unity and GNOME Shell work out well.
[03:18] <godbyk> When is GNOME Shell supposed to be released?
[03:18] <sebsebseb> ,but yeah really I want to run Gnome 2 sometimes, KDE maybe sometimes, and Unity or Gnome Shell really, but need to set things up so I can do that
[03:18] <sebsebseb> Gnome 3 last time I looked at their release scheduled 3.0 will be early April and then 3.0.1 at the end of April
[03:19] <godbyk> Oh, wow. I didn't know they were so far along.
[03:19] <sebsebseb> what I am worried about is Canonical and Unity
[03:19] <godbyk> Oh, yeah?
[03:19] <sebsebseb> with Unity they are being like an upstream
[03:19] <sebsebseb> ,but
[03:19] <sebsebseb> with copyright assignments and such, they aren't being like a proper upstream
[03:19] <sebsebseb> an upstream is  meant to make the software, that then more than one distro can easilly use
[03:20] <sebsebseb> godbyk: ,but well I told you the  issues about Unity already
[03:20] <sebsebseb> also one or two guys or so tried to make Unity for Fedora
[03:20] <godbyk> I guess it'll be interesting to see how it all works out.
[03:20] <sebsebseb> ,but since they were using stuff that wasn't upsteram or whatever, they coudn't just do that
[03:20] <godbyk> Did they fork Unity, try to build the existing Unity for Fedora, or try to write a Unity from scratch?
[03:21] <sebsebseb> they tried to use the exixting unity as far as I  know, but becuse of how its made, certain things have to be done differnetly so that they wil work with Fedora and other distros for that matter
[03:22] <sebsebseb> godbyk: maybe they were trying to port the 10.10 version yeah probably, in a way its better for other distros to wait untill after Ubuntu 12.04 before more seriosuly trying to port Unity
[03:22] <sebsebseb> on the other hand
[03:22] <sebsebseb> if that is done well
[03:22] <sebsebseb> Unity will remain a Ubuntu only option in the mean time hmm
[03:23] <sebsebseb> godbyk: and Gnome Shell will lack some features Gnome 2 has when it first comes out,  like the weather feature, but it should have that later
[03:23] <godbyk> Ah, I see.
[03:23] <sebsebseb> from a technical point of view I worry about Unity, already explained why
[03:23] <sebsebseb> from a user point of view well
[03:23] <sebsebseb> yeah its sort of intersting, not really what I would want to use a lot personally though probably, but yeah
[03:24] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Linux distros have a great backend most of them really, you know :)
[03:24] <sebsebseb> ,but
[03:24] <sebsebseb> when it comes to interface, what makes people from Windows or Mac OS X, go wow? when they see a Linux user interface?
[03:25] <sebsebseb> Compiz?  the cube and wobbery windows and such,  uhmm yeah sure for some of them, but then it gets boring or whatever
[03:25] <godbyk> Agreed.
[03:25] <sebsebseb> ,but from a like proper using kind of view, what makes people think,  wow this is so great so better than the Windows or Mac OS X interface?  I mean like Windows and Mac OS X's look compared to Gnome 2 and KDE 4 and stuff like that?
[03:25] <sebsebseb> I can't think of anything
[03:26] <godbyk> I use Linux as my primary OS these days.
[03:26] <godbyk> I rarely have to use Windows.
[03:26] <godbyk> But when I do, there are some things I miss about the Linux desktop.
[03:26] <sebsebseb> there is a lot of choice of differnet user interfaces,  but out of everything I have tried if I am to be honest, there is nothing, that is like wow, this looks so much better  than Windows or Mac OS X
[03:26] <godbyk> I really miss having multiple workspaces, for instance.
[03:26] <godbyk> I don't know how people operate a computer without them now.  :)
[03:27] <sebsebseb> and really I guess the closesest we got to that kind of thing, wow this is great, this is useable, this is awesome for useage, closesest we got at the moment, is well the Gnome Shell previews,  and the Unity's
[03:27] <sebsebseb> I have mixed feelings when it comes to Unity
[03:27] <godbyk> I take your point, though.  Most of the interface elements are the same across Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X.
[03:27] <sebsebseb> yeah bingo
[03:27] <sebsebseb> except well I guess it's mainly Gnome Shell out of the two,  as in the two, as in Gnome Shell and Unity
[03:28] <sebsebseb> ,but its mainly Gnome Shell that is starting to do the something differnet that I am on about :)
[03:28] <godbyk> We could design a new desktop experience from scratch (built on Linux).
[03:28] <godbyk> But one problem with that is that a lot of people would be scared off due to the learning curve.
[03:29] <godbyk> They grew up learning with Windows or Mac OS X.
[03:29] <sebsebseb> I am not sure if I want the masses the main streame using any Desktop Linux distro anymore, because most  will just use for support if its needed, and never really understand what this kind of software is really about, software freedom and so on, and what  that is, and all that
[03:29] <godbyk> So if we deviate greatly from those standards, then we'll get a lot of push-back.
[03:29] <sebsebseb> in a way Unity isn't meant to exist, because Canonical were meant to help Gnome with Gnome Shell really
[03:29] <godbyk> We'd have to ensure that the new interface was demonstrably better than the standard WIMP interface.
[03:30] <sebsebseb> I mean they have had meetings with Gnome guys about Gnome Shell even  and so on
[03:30] <sebsebseb> on the other hand, well  they wanted to do differnet things, and now well there will be two choices, for  Linux distros, well if others do Unity, but already been through  how they can't just do that at the moment
[03:30] <sebsebseb> other distros
[03:30] <godbyk> Interestingly, Linux makes a great OS for devices that require a domain-specific interface.
[03:31] <godbyk> For example, your DVD player or digital video recorder.
[03:31] <sebsebseb> godbyk: something that personalley annoys me is the ignorance on sites such as omgubuntu.co.uk at times, where people think,  that Gnome Shell is copying from Unity, which really isn't the case, for example
[03:32] <sebsebseb> godbyk: also it seems that quite a few other distros want the Ubuntu Software Centre now, from stuff I been reading recently, and there's a distro callobration video, that I haven't seen properly yet
[03:32] <sebsebseb> ,but I think UI for Software Centre has copyright assignements or the whole program even, so hmm
[03:32] <godbyk> Yeah, the notion of 'Hey, x copied that feature from y,' has always bugged me.  Very often, the person complaining is just wrong.
[03:33] <sebsebseb> godbyk: something that annoys me is the in fighting that distro communites may have,  and how some people get way to biased towards their choosen distro,  and basicalely won't even recommend other distros to people
[03:34] <sebsebseb> I belive that choice is good,  and its good to tell someone about a few distros and give them distrowatch.com and let them choose their own distro :)
[03:34] <godbyk> It's a rather personal choice. You just have to figure out which distro works best for you.
[03:34] <sebsebseb> except many people don't do that
[03:34] <sebsebseb> they are told to use Ubuntu and well thats it really
[03:34] <sebsebseb> they remain as Ubuntu users for a very long time indeed, and maybe never even try another
[03:34] <sebsebseb> godbyk: and some people even think Linux = Ubuntu
[03:35] <sebsebseb> hmm maybe the Ubuntu Manual should briefly mention that other distros exist as well,  and mention distrowatch.com or something :D
[03:35] <godbyk> I think the manual explains briefly what a distribution is.
[03:35] <godbyk> I don't know that it does too much more than that.
[03:36] <godbyk> It also mentions that Ubuntu is derived from Debian.
[03:36] <sebsebseb> godbyk: so many things in Ubuntu that I don't like now
[03:36] <sebsebseb> mainly since 10.04
[03:36] <sebsebseb> I mean the Gnome 2 expereince
[03:36] <godbyk> Oh, yeah?
[03:36] <sebsebseb> the Gnome patching and removing of some features by default that should be there really, automatic shut down after a minute, shut down and log out in the system menu, that kind of thing
[03:36] <sebsebseb> ,but
[03:36] <sebsebseb> with Unity those patches quite a few of them, become sort of ok
[03:37] <godbyk> Right.
[03:37] <sebsebseb> since now its well Unity not the Gnome 2 interface anymore
[03:37] <sebsebseb> ,but yeah things started going bad with 9.04 really, the patching and all that, and why? to try and make things more user freindly for newbies
[03:38] <sebsebseb> then stuff like Ubuntu One and the Music Store that I woudn't personalley want really as well and so on.  the themes in 10.04 the new ones, that I still don't like that much really,  and so on,  well black one is better in 10.10 and in Unity
[03:38] <sebsebseb> for me the last properly good version of Ubuntu was 9.04, and then things started to really go down hill,  altough GDM 2 and Grub 2 for example in 9.10 that was upstream Gnome, not Ubuntu, didn't like those for example
[03:38] <sebsebseb> godbyk: however recently I put on a distro on my older brothers  lap top from 2005
[03:39] <sebsebseb> he isn't technical he just wants to use a computer really,  Firefox, Facebook and such you know, type something maybe, listenin to music I guess, see photos, that kind of thing
[03:39] <sebsebseb> godbyk: so guess what distro I went with?
[03:39] <sebsebseb> in the end, after thinking about them and so on
[03:39] <godbyk> I give up. :)
[03:40] <sebsebseb> godbyk: hmm hint it wasn't Ubuntu, but saying Ubuntu would have been a good guess
[03:40] <sebsebseb> at first I thought Mandriva or PC Linux OS, but then decided no to both of them
[03:40] <godbyk> I bet it was Windows! ;-)
[03:41] <sebsebseb> godbyk: no  and it's got XP on there as well, but not quite working properly, because yeah
[03:42] <sebsebseb> I thought Ubuntu, but then,  I remember how all this stuff in recent versions that I don't like
[03:42] <sebsebseb> and how even removing a lot of that, woudn't quite make Ubuntu be like before, I mean like 8.10 or something
[03:42] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I wanted user friendly, and supported for quite a long time, so what distro?
[03:43] <godbyk> Debian?
[03:43] <sebsebseb> and one that woudn't give updates of later versions of software that he didn't really need, so yeah PC Linu OS was out, even though it's rolling release so supported for a long time
[03:43] <sebsebseb> turns out I find this out more recently, that yes PC Linux OS is a rolling release, but its very much so about providing stable versions of software, so not the very latest this and that neassirely
[03:44] <godbyk> I don't think I've heard of PC Linux OS.
[03:44] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Linux Mint Debain  Edition came to mind, but I hadn't vm'd tried that one, so that was out
[03:44] <sebsebseb> I decided to try Linux Mint 10 based on Ubuntu 10.10
[03:45] <sebsebseb> so installed that on there, and well  yeah no Unity or OpenGL games and so on, because of a sucky SIS graphics card, so no Linux driver, but then later I put 9 on, but then remove it, nearly put 10 back on or whatever, and uhmm put 9 on again, and decide yep Linux Mint 9
[03:46] <sebsebseb> I thought yeah, well ok had issues on the other computer  when it used to run Ubuntu 10.04, like it refusing to let anyone log in all of a sudden, and me not knowing why, but Linux Mint 9 is based on Ubuntu 10.04 which is 10.04.1 now, so surely it will be more stable and all that?
[03:46] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Mint basically takes what is good from Ubuntu, and does nicer graphci and the codecs by default :)
[03:47] <sebsebseb> so yeah Linux Mint 9, and I feel like I made the right choice :)
[03:47] <sebsebseb> !ot
[03:47] <manualbot> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!
[03:47] <sebsebseb> hmm I thought about doing that a while ago :D ^
[03:47] <sebsebseb> I wanted to see what message it had, at one stage, it had a message that I came up with :)
[03:48] <sebsebseb> godbyk: and we been off topic for a while, but well if this channel is like before, then yeah, people chat off topic in here every now and again
[03:49] <godbyk> It's not too big of a deal as long as we're not disrupting other, relevant conversations.
[03:50] <sebsebseb> godbyk: PCLOS is a nice distro,  no Gnome Shell in repo like I was  saying,  IRC community could be better, but well whatever, its not the distro I plan to do some proper community stuff for
[03:50] <sebsebseb> godbyk: anyway this Satuday is special
[03:51] <sebsebseb> in Ubuntuland
[03:51] <godbyk> You're working on a new distro? What distinguishes them from the existing distros?
[03:51] <sebsebseb> godbyk: no
[03:51] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I am just planning on doing some proper community stuff for it :)
[03:51] <sebsebseb> in a way already done some, but still early days
[03:51] <godbyk> Ah, 'kay.
[03:51] <sebsebseb> I want to help build up its future community more properly :)
[03:52] <sebsebseb> except of course, depending on how things go,  it might not get much more of a community than it currently has, hmm
[03:52] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Ubuntu has gone to hmm for me, the direction I am really wondering what's going to happen
[03:52] <sebsebseb> I have mixed feelings, I am not sure about things
[03:53] <sebsebseb> so yeah I can't just help loads of people with Ubuntu anymore from IRC,  like I did for about two years not that long ago
[03:53] <sebsebseb> for example
[03:53] <godbyk> Well, if you're using a different distribution, it makes sense to put your time and energy into supporting and improving it (instead of a competing distro).
[03:54] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I belive though that, the distro I want to more properly support, that things will become pretty good in the future for it, its just going to take time, maybe two years yet
[03:54] <sebsebseb> godbyk: well at the moment I am not using it
[03:54] <sebsebseb> since it doesn't even exist yet,  plus when it first exists, well it won't be that useable for  people like me it seems, but later on :)
[03:54] <sebsebseb> godbyk: sure we say comepting distros, distro compettion and all that, but
[03:54] <sebsebseb> I belive in distro callobration :)
[03:55] <godbyk> Well, 'competing' in a fairly loose sense. :)
[03:55] <sebsebseb> distros working together more, the developers and communities, not all this in fighting, my distro is better than yours, no mine is better than yours, etc etc
[03:55] <sebsebseb> and I mentioend something about that earlier well
[03:56] <sebsebseb> godbyk: hmm except if I give one link, it should be obvious what distro I am interested in
[03:56] <sebsebseb> and if I give another it woudn't be so obvious
[03:57] <sebsebseb> ,but yeah on the subject of distro's working together
[03:58] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I want to be someone in opensource/freesoftware someone more proper :)
[03:58] <sebsebseb> in Linuxland I mean
[03:58] <sebsebseb> been my major interest since  2004/3 so yeah :)
[03:58] <sebsebseb> in Linux distro land :)
[03:58] <sebsebseb> Desktop Linux land :)
[04:14] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Do you know about Ubuntu User Days? Starts not that long from now
[04:15] <godbyk> I don't know too much about it.
[04:18] <sebsebseb> godbyk: well I am not so sure about Ubuntu itself the distro, and it's direction
[04:18] <sebsebseb> ,but
[04:18] <sebsebseb> anymore, but
[04:19] <sebsebseb> some the community stuff  they do, is absoutly great still
[04:19] <sebsebseb> some of the
[04:19] <sebsebseb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[04:19] <sebsebseb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[04:19] <sebsebseb> godbyk: and similar to that, but after a new release,  Ubuntu Open Week
[04:21] <godbyk> Yeah, Ubuntu does do a lot of community-oriented stuff.  I like that.
[04:21] <sebsebseb> godbyk: i'll take part in that a bit later some of it and :)
[04:21] <sebsebseb> yeah, but it also has a massive user base
[04:21] <sebsebseb> so yeah
[04:23] <sebsebseb> godbyk: ,but quite a few of the other distros, well the distros are great, but the community is a bit hmm, and could be better
[04:24] <sebsebseb> godbyk: and hopefuly I can help to make a good community distro, for the alternative distro that I think has a chance at becoming  pretty good as a distro, but also as a community
[04:25] <sebsebseb> ideally I guess the more good distros with good communities, the better :)
[04:25] <sebsebseb> Choice :)
[04:25] <godbyk> Absolutely!
[04:25] <sebsebseb> make a good community for the distro, I want to support, above,  I put community distro, but yes it  will be that :) 100% community
[04:26] <sebsebseb> awesome no company to mess things up :)
[04:26] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I don't like the idea of this
[04:26] <sebsebseb> market share wise
[04:27] <sebsebseb> 1.  Windows with most users  2.  Mac OS X  3.  Ubuntu with most Desktop Linux users by a long way, and masses type amount
[04:27] <sebsebseb> 4. Linux Mint and maybe other distros based on Ubuntu 5.  BSD  6. other OS's
[04:28] <sebsebseb> if most Desktop Linux users by a long way,  only or mainly use Ubuntu, instead of or  as well as other distros, well that's not proper choice
[04:28] <sebsebseb> in a way its about as good as Windows having most users on the desktop
[04:28] <sebsebseb> godbyk: number 1 most used Desktop Linux the number 2 and so on, it doesn't really matter that much,  what matters is that we have good choices at the top :) and a few of them, choice :)
[04:29] <sebsebseb> So please Canonical with Unity and so on,  your now an upstream as well, so please play nicely as one, and help other distros use your stuff, if they want to,  Thank you :)
[04:30] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I think things will work out with Gnome 3 and Unity and distros working together more and all that,  it will just take time.
[04:32] <sebsebseb> godbyk: did you disappar on me?  anyway I think we are basically done chatting for now
[04:33] <sebsebseb> and uhmm sorry idlers in a way for the off topic, but I guess nothing else would have been going on here anyway otherwise
[04:34] <sebsebseb> and nisshh if you see this later or something, uhmm from one channel where as you know I was typing a lot and similar stuff, to here, hmm
[04:35] <sebsebseb> oh well
[05:02] <nisshh> sebsebseb, hehe
[05:03] <godbyk> nisshh: Finished cleaning the gutters already?
[05:04] <sebsebseb> godbyk: no maybe  he was missing you badly, and so needed to come back to say something to you :D
[05:04] <godbyk> sebsebseb: I suspect you might be correct. ;-)
[05:04] <sebsebseb> or to come back for you to say something to him, one or the other
[05:11] <nisshh> godbyk, yeah, ages ago :)
[05:12] <nisshh> godbyk, us aussies are used to manual labour in the heat, so we get it done fast :)
[05:12] <nisshh> sebsebseb, you wish :)
[05:12] <godbyk> nisshh: I see.   It's okay.)
[05:18] <nisshh> hehe


[07:06] <faizul> hi hyperair
[07:06] <hyperair> hi faizul
[07:07] <faizul> hyperair, in .sg?
[07:12] <hyperair> faizul: yea
[09:02] <fairuz> helo rakan2
[16:07] <fairuz_> helo rakan2


[00:00] <chspnk> generally, is that a problem having two partitions on it?
[00:00] <wxl> i honestly have not had an experience one way or another
[00:00] <wxl> my gut is screaming bad idea though :)
[00:00] <wxl> on the other hand the fact that it installed at all is remarkable
[00:01] <chspnk> i've always got it with my keys, so i try to have everything i need on it ;)
[00:02] <wxl> before i would put it on another media i'd have the installer check itself
[00:02] <chspnk> sorry about asking one more time..
[00:02] <chspnk> installer?
[00:02] <chspnk> files on the usb?
[00:02] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck
[00:03] <chspnk> ooookay :D should learn reading
[00:03] <wxl> would help
[00:03] <chspnk> when i'm excited getting something done i sometimes miss some important informations
[00:04] <wxl> it happens to all of us
[00:04] <chspnk> on the other hand side i always had to learn everything on my own, nobody has shown me where to look
[00:05] <wxl> help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com are very useful :)
[00:05] <wxl> also the bot should be helpful
[00:05] <wxl> !help
[00:05] <wxl> well that wasn't very useful :)
[00:05] <chspnk> not really :D
[00:05] <chspnk> as i am no native speaker, i got a language problem too
[00:06] <wxl> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[00:06] <wxl> oh what's your native language chspnk ?
[00:06] <chspnk> sometimes it's very difficult to get the relly important information
[00:06] <chspnk> german
[00:06] <wxl> !de
[00:06] <chspnk> i like the german ubuntu wiki
[00:07] <chspnk> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/
[00:07] <wxl> there 's no #lubuntu-de but installation questions are often very general, so #ubuntu-de would be good
[00:08] <phillw> chspnk: you can also catch silverlion when he is about.
[00:08] <chspnk> it's pure coincidence that i'm here. that's the first point
[00:08] <chspnk> :D
[00:09] <phillw> chspnk: the guys on mint got fed up of you and sent you here? (I hope this German has a sense of humour) :P
[00:10] <chspnk> well i kind of never hang out in irc
[00:11] <chspnk> as the admin on mint channel wasn't very friendly when i asked about the main differences (regarding memory usage) between lubuntu and mint he told me about this channel
[00:21] <wxl> oops disappeared
[00:21] <wxl> wow that's craziness!
[00:22] <wxl> phillw: md5 checks out with the iso, self-check works fine, but md5 on the media fails (because he's ghot other partitions)
[00:24] <phillw> wxl: I forget know... is this the machine he wants to dual boot with windows, or the replacement machine that will be pure lubuntu while his other machine is away?
[00:25] <phillw> chspnk: could you answer ^^ Seems very rude to be talking about you and not to you!
[00:25] <wxl> oh phillw you got everything so confused
[00:25] <wxl> chspnk: what iso we talking about here?
[00:27] <chspnk> give me some time to answer :D in english it's a few seconds more than in german
[00:27] <wxl> i understand
[00:27] <wxl> unfortunately it's time for me to go home
[00:27] <chspnk> i want to make my stick bootable with the lubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso image
[00:27] <wxl> k 1s
[00:27] <chspnk> i got an empty stick here
[00:28] <phillw> creating a usb stick is currently a lot of smoke an mirrors... chspnk read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI#OBI_quick_start_manual
[00:28] <phillw> that will give you a stick to install lubuntu from.
[00:29] <wxl> good night everyone and thanks phillw
[00:29] <wxl> talk to you guys later on
[00:29] <wxl> i got a lawn to mow :)
[00:30] <chspnk> cu wxl and thanks a lot
[04:53] <meee> how can i change keyboard layout permanantly to fransh ??
[04:58] <ianorlin> fransh? do you mean french
[05:01] <ianorlin> go to the menu go to prefrences and then language support and then change layout to French
[10:29] <user123321> please help, how to connect to a wifi hot network? I tried adding the connection but it didn't seem to connect.
[10:33] <user123321> Ah nvm, I saw wifi-radar app in software centre
[14:59] <user13242> How to connect to Wifi in LUbuntu?
[14:59] <user13242> I downloaded wifi radar, but it's asking me to config.
[14:59] <user13242> normally, I'd only have to enter the password.
[15:00] <user13242> It's a wpa/wpa2 met
[15:03] <someguy> hi, I have question
[15:05] <phillw> !ask | someguy
[15:07] <phillw> user13242: from a new 14.04 installation, it is best to connect via ethernet and update the system. It is a known bug, which has been fixed in an update. This will save you having to add things, update and then delete things...
[15:07] <someguy> On lubuntu.net, on bottom of page i found that lubuntu is licenced under creative comons.... wich allows comercial distributing etc, but , when you go to download page there is notice that everything is licenced to canonical and it is different licence, so under wich licence does lubuntu go?I am havily confused :)
[15:10] <phillw> someguy: the documentation is signed to Canonical, and Ubuntu (and all the *buntu's) are trade marked to Canonical. This has allowed them to over-ride cyber-squatters who demand monies for registering various sites. It is a mine field. You may charge for the install media and postage along with anything 'value added' (e.g. support). When ever in doubt have a chat with the trade mark team.
[15:12] <phillw> someguy: I've asked them a couple of questions in the past. As long what you are doing involves advocay, they're pretty relaxed. http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/contact-us
[15:12] <someguy> So basicly, I can heavily modify lubuntu core , install and create my tools, write documentation and sell it under other name , unassociated with ubuntu, but do I need to ship modified core source?
[15:12] <rafaellaguna> I must speak, because I was involved in this web creation. the only creative commons in Lubuntu is the web and some graphics of it, the logo and the system are under registration of Canonical
[15:13] <rafaellaguna> only "lubuntu.net"
[15:13] <someguy> Ah, ok, well thanks for nice answers, I didn't expect such feedback :D
[15:13] <phillw> you must ship the modified source code and under the open source licence.
[15:14] <phillw> GPL licence makes this quite clear. Canonical do not write the kernel / applications etc.
[15:15] <someguy> So i will need to publish only core and not the software I made and installed,(unles installed software requires so) (I m not native english speaked so I just don't want to get in trouble)
[15:17] <phillw> any software you write that is original can be licensed under what ever license you wish (commmercial licenses are quite okay).
[15:17] <someguy> Thank you very much
[15:18] <phillw> For example. If I want an invoicing application, I have to pay for that. But the system it installs on is free. You do not charge for the operating system, just the invoicing application.
[15:18] <someguy> I want to sell OS...
[15:18] <phillw> does that make it a little clearer? (Free and commercial can be a bit of a pain to understand)
[15:18] <phillw> you cannot 'sell' linux.
[15:19] <phillw> you can sell support
[15:19] <someguy> but ,GPL says it is ok to sell it if you shit source
[15:19] <someguy> ship*
[15:19] <someguy> *facepalms
[15:20] <rafaellaguna> you have to mention anyway, check the different GPLs
[15:20] <phillw> If I recall, it is what I said.... you can charge for media, shipping and support.
[15:21] <phillw> someguy: I'd suggest checking with the trademark team. They are the legal people... we can give a general idea of what it is... But you should always ask them so that you do not get into any problems.
[15:22] <someguy> ok
[15:22] <someguy> Thaks, see ya
[18:33] <raven00> Anyone on Lubuntu and old hardware successfully running gnome shell?