[06:58] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: think of kubuntu-desktop as an alias. instead of you having to install all parts of kubuntu you can install kubuntu-desktop, when you install it - it installs all parts of kubuntu, but you can remove it w/o removing the packages it installed.
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> that is an odd error
[06:58] <blankfaze> so if i run apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop... you are saying NOTHING will change?
[06:58] <intelikey> ok it did   Setting up nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0.7174+<IP_ADDRESS>-28.1) ...
[06:58] <Jucato> intelikey: finally!
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i would mark as a dependency issue in LP
[06:59] <Jucato> blankfaze: I'm saying that only the kubuntu-desktop package, that package only will be removed
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: it should look for >= and not a certain kernel
[06:59] <intelikey> ok now what  ?
[06:59] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago yes indeed.
[06:59] <Jucato> blankfaze: it's just a meta-package. it has no settings, it does nothing except tell apt to install all those other packages
[06:59] <blankfaze> because i could have sworn that i hosed my machine doing something like that before
[07:00] <ForgeAus> blankfaze possibly but not with kubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago ok now howto get it to work with nvidia in place of nv ?   do i need to modprobe anything ?
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: the reason that package exists is so that someone on GNOME or Xfce can install KDE as kubuntu would behave with an install CD
[07:00] <aaroncampbell_> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12469/
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: not that I know of
[07:00] <ForgeAus> more like a system-dependant package like ubuntu-minimal or kde-base or something
[07:00] <intelikey> ok.
[07:01] <blankfaze> but what i am trying to ascertain, if i just ran apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop... no programmes would be removed, no settings changed, no discernable change of any kind other than kubuntu-desktop would show as not installed?
[07:01] <intelikey> changed xorg.conf form           Driver          "nv"   or   "nvidia"     is that all ?
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: is my font fuzzy? no! :)
[07:01] <blankfaze> lol
[07:02] <blankfaze> just trying to be careful.  i have fuxxxored my system like twice in the month or so since i migrated to linux
[07:02] <dwidmann> aaroncampbell_ I'm not really sure what those could be ...
[07:02] <aaroncampbell_> ok, I'll try again in the morning
[07:03] <ForgeAus> blankfaze it might be useful to you to virtualize your linux until you get used to it?
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: bah, don't be a baby :) I hosed a running 5000 client mailserver once and I didn't make so much noise over it :)
[07:03] <intelikey> blankfaze correct. no noticable differance
[07:03] <blankfaze> nah.  i am a firm believer that you learn from mistakes lol
[07:03] <ScarFreewill> my printer stoped working any one else having a problem with that?
[07:03] <ForgeAus> I agree... and boy have I made some mistakes with linux since I got it
[07:03] <dwidmann> I guess I'll fix my kernel problem in the morning, if I wake up before noon anyway ...
[07:04] <ForgeAus> I'm guessing jucato will probably back that statement up...
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> blankfaze: me too. That's why I don't use windows - it was a mistake :)
[07:04] <ForgeAus> too many people think windows requires a reinstallation at the first sign of trouble :(
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> everyone makes mistakes, i did all the tyme
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> time*
[07:05] <ForgeAus> I'm still on the same XP installation as well over a 2 years ago
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: true.
[07:05] <ForgeAus> although it did recently die on me I managed to revive it
[07:05] <ForgeAus> still not sure entirely quite how yet tho
[07:06] <ForgeAus> anyway back to kubuntu
[07:06] <intelikey> do i need to run  "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"  what does that do ?
[07:06] <blankfaze> i am a lot happier since i migrated from windows.  a lot of things are easier.  more control if you know what you're doing.  a lot more secure.  good feeling of using foss
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: My biggest complain w/ windows is even about the stability or security, it's the inflexability and the fact that even the simplest little program on it has nagware and costs $30+ dollars shareware.
[07:06] <Jucato> intelikey: it enables the nvidia driver... modifiying xorg.conf
[07:06] <ForgeAus> um? is that meant to be a line in the xorg.conf "nvidia-glx-config" "enable" ?
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> s/is even/isn't even
[07:07] <ForgeAus> LeeJun some do yeah
[07:07] <intelikey> Jucato then my editing xorg circumvents that actually being useful ?
[07:07] <ForgeAus> but there is foss for windows as well
[07:07] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. sort of... but sometimes you still need to edit manually anyway...
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: yeah, I use it and offer it to customers whenever possible.
[07:08] <ForgeAus> hehe like openoffice.org I'm guessing
[07:08] <intelikey> Jucato i was just look in /usr/sbin/nvidia-glx-config  it's a shell script and it depends on being ran from within x ....
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> I've still got windows on my system, hardly ever used, just for flight sims, which I can't remember the last time I've played. But I've only re-installed XP once in over 2 yrs. On the other hand I've had servers with uptimes over 2 years.
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> with linux of course.
[07:08] <Jucato> intelikey: actually, I think it will complain if you run it from w/in X
[07:09] <MilhousePunkRock> !kopete
[07:09] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[07:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: yeah, openoffice, firefox, gimp, gaim, etc..
[07:09] <intelikey> Jucato yeah actually that test only setup a message you're right
[07:10] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm right? and w/o looking at the code? *gasps*
[07:10] <blankfaze> is there a font manager in kde anywhere?
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: Kmenu >> system settings
[07:11] <intelikey> :)
[07:11] <blankfaze> admiral chicago:  for managing/installing/removing fonts, not selecting them for display...
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> then appearance
[07:12] <Jucato> blankfaze: System Settings -> Appearance -> Font Installer
[07:12] <blankfaze> oh weird
[07:12] <blankfaze> missed that.  sorry
[07:13] <blankfaze> does anyone know off-hand what format preinstall fonts like bitsream vera are in?
[07:13] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago and Jucato  one thing that running the command(sudo nvidia-glx-config enable) does is  "modprobe nvidia"  so i do need to do that... but   modprobe nvidia fails     modprobe nvidia-agp works    is that the reason that nvidia wont work for me ?
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure, could open up /etc/modprobe iirc that folder.
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't use that package very much, not sure
[07:13] <blankfaze> the icon for most look like truetype but i am not sure
[07:14] <Jucato> intelikey: that I don't know... :/
[07:14] <intelikey> ok i'll keep pecking away at this...
[07:16] <[xelent] > What media player is this http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/085/a/1/Linux_X_by_binyaryar.png
[07:16] <blankfaze> why doesn't that font installer appear in kcontrol?  is it a kubuntu-only thing?
[07:16] <intelikey> :)
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> [xelent] : never seen it before
[07:17] <Jucato> blankfaze: kcontrol - system administration
[07:17] <Jucato> a GNOME app?
[07:17] <blankfaze> oh neat k
[07:17] <Jucato> very nice desktop though :)
[07:17] <intelikey> yipe !   lost root.
[07:18] <intelikey> that requires a reboot.         </grubmles & hits the reset>
[07:18] <Jucato> :P
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: high security :)
[07:18] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yes i guess
[07:20] <spurcell_portabl> Any developer sorts in here who might be able to give advice on creating a .deb file?
[07:20] <Jucato> !packaging | spurcell_portabl
[07:20] <ubotu> spurcell_portabl: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:21] <Locomotor> hola a todos
[07:22] <spurcell_portabl> Thank you ubotu.
[07:22] <Jucato> !thanks | spurcell_portabl
[07:22] <ubotu> spurcell_portabl: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[07:23] <intelikey> now laugh.   laugh all ya want.
[07:24] <intelikey> cause i had to reboot ?
[07:24] <Jucato> ok
[07:24] <intelikey> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_legacy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/volatile/nvidia_legacy.ko): No such device
[07:25] <Locomotor> hace un link simbolico
[07:25] <Locomotor> con ln -s
[07:25] <openstandards> has anyone packaged up any of the oxygen icons yet?
[07:26] <a-u-123> waaa i want some help if someone would be so kind. my mouse buttons  6 and 7 dont go back and forth, mouse button 6 does the same as 3. 7 as 2, i just to config xconf and not install imwheel
[07:26] <intelikey> lsmod reveils     agpgart                34888  1 nvidia_agp
[07:26] <nicoc> how can i know if i have the lastest ATI driver??
[07:26] <intelikey> but modprobe nvidia fails as per above message ^
[07:27] <Locomotor> you have just compiled the nvidia driver?
[07:28] <intelikey> nope binary driver from the repo
[07:29] <Locomotor> I have installed from the official binary package
[07:29] <Locomotor> and no problems like you describe
[07:29] <Locomotor> this was 20 min ago
[07:29] <Locomotor> :)
[07:29] <intelikey> different hardware
[07:29] <Jucato> openstandards: they will not be packaged for KDE 3.5.x
[07:29] <Locomotor> may be
[07:30] <Locomotor> i have an integrated 6100
[07:30] <intelikey> no maybe to it.  mines an AGP nvidia riva128
[07:31] <Locomotor> did you try depmod -a?
[07:31] <openstandards> i hope kde 4 will be more attractive 3.5 is ugly
[07:32] <intelikey> Locomotor have now
[07:32] <Locomotor> what? sorry but my english is very poor
[07:33] <intelikey> openstandards how can you say that ?   kde has not "look" of it's own really, it's all in the theemes
 did you try depmod -a? <intelikey> Locomotor i have now
[07:33] <Locomotor> ok
[07:34] <intelikey> openstandards find a theem you like and then configure it to be 'beautiful' in your eyes
[07:35] <Alonea> intelikey: shouldn't you be able to make your own theme if you really wanted to?
[07:35] <intelikey> sure Alonea   and you can
[07:35] <nick_> is there an IM client that handles msn better than kapote?
[07:36] <intelikey> gaim  maybe ?
[07:36] <openstandards> amsn
[07:36] <Alonea> intelikey: yup, just need to get reaaaal bored and have a lot of work I want to ignore.
[07:36] <intelikey> Alonea yep that's all
[07:36] <intelikey> :)
[07:36] <nick_> gaim/amsn?
[07:36] <nick_> or was gaim something else
[07:37] <openstandards> amsn is probably  better when it comes to dealing with msn
[07:37] <intelikey> nick_ try amsn
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> what's wrong with kopete for msn? I haven't noticed any problems with it.
[07:37] <openstandards> the file transfer on gaim sucks, and no video either
[07:37] <Alonea> intelikey: hmmm, maybe a matrix like theme? Or red metal looking...there was a red color theme on winamp that I really liked that I could sorta copy...
[07:37] <nick_> im gonna try amsn
[07:38] <nick_> i miss being able to play wheel of fotrune in msn LOL
[07:38] <cotyrothery> I have a few questions
[07:38] <cotyrothery> I was wondering what can i do with apache
[07:38] <Alonea> isn't there a way to get the actual latest MSN to work with wine, or is that a no?
[07:38] <a-u-51> buttonmapping did it, im a noob if anyone wondered...
[07:39] <intelikey> !info apache
[07:39] <ubotu> apache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 380 kB, installed size 812 kB
[07:39] <openstandards> nick_: is that what you want msn for because if it is then you're out of luck
[07:39] <cotyrothery> i woule like to get it setup on my computer
[07:39] <netdaemon> Alonea: why would you want it?
[07:39] <cotyrothery> But i would like to now if with it i can have my own site or what is its perpose
[07:39] <intelikey> !lamp > cotyrothery
[07:39] <nick_> lol...no
[07:39] <nick_> would be nice though
[07:40] <cotyrothery> so what would i do with it
[07:40] <Locomotor> you need to read a little
[07:40] <cotyrothery> i have
[07:40] <a-u-51> !info avahi
[07:40] <ubotu> Package avahi does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:40] <cotyrothery> i cant find what i need to read
[07:40] <intelikey> cotyrothery apache is a full grown web-server for the http and https protocols.
[07:40] <cotyrothery> yeah i know
[07:41] <intelikey> check your pm's
[07:41] <Locomotor> just google for it
[07:41] <cotyrothery> i heard that people put it on there computer and use there computers as servers
[07:41] <Locomotor> how to set up apache
[07:41] <Alonea> netdaemon: lets see, the video was nice, the sharing folders was especially nice, and I liked the looks of it. I just miss it. I mean, gaim has it good points too, but I still prefer the original MSN program.
[07:41] <intelikey> !lamp > Locomotor
[07:41] <openstandards> cotyrothery: i personally wouldn't run a http server on a home connection
[07:41] <intelikey> and check your pm's
[07:41] <cotyrothery> i did
[07:41] <cotyrothery> what is it
[07:41] <openstandards> purely because of the upstream of your connection
[07:42] <cotyrothery> so could i make like a .com site and run it off my computer?
[07:42] <intelikey> apache = s/band-width/band-narrow-ness/g
[07:43] <Locomotor> you need to register domain too
[07:43] <openstandards> you could but you wouldn't own the domain name
[07:43] <cotyrothery> and your computer always has to be  on
[07:43] <cotyrothery> i have a sub domain
[07:43] <openstandards> its cheaper these days with a host
[07:43] <intelikey> and yes you could if you regester the domain
[07:43] <cotyrothery> cool
[07:44] <Locomotor> first you should try it in a lan
[07:44] <cotyrothery> im about to download wine
[07:44] <cotyrothery> i have been having some trouble with kdevelop
[07:44] <cotyrothery> i cant get it to make the installation
[07:44] <wolferine> looking to setup Realplayer, in the Ubuntu guide, it tells me to
[07:44] <intelikey> cotyrothery careful you don't dl to much at one time
[07:44] <cotyrothery> why
[07:44] <intelikey> too much wine ...
[07:44] <wolferine> then edit the startup script (/usr/lib/realplay-10.0.8/realplay) and changed line 73
[07:44] <intelikey> :)
[07:44] <cotyrothery> LOL
[07:45] <wolferine> and I need to make sure: Make sure you have ALSA OSS driver.
[07:45] <intelikey> don't want you penguin eneberateddd
[07:45] <cotyrothery> there are so many apps
[07:45] <cotyrothery> i am loving this
[07:45] <cotyrothery> its a whole nother world
[07:45] <wolferine> my sounds controls tell me I am using Alsa mixer
[07:45] <intelikey> cotyrothery yes.
[07:46] <Locomotor> is like win 95...a new experince... XD
[07:46] <cotyrothery> not like microsoft were i have to rack out doo
[07:46] <wolferine> so am I not using the ALSA OSS driver maybe, as I get this:  realplay
[07:46] <wolferine> /usr/bin/realplay: 78: aoss: not found
[07:46] <nick_> windows 3.1 kicked butt
[07:46] <nick_> i still use it
[07:46] <nick_> :-P
[07:46] <cotyrothery> I think that spending 100 to 200 dollors on xp is insane
[07:46] <Locomotor> jajaa
[07:46] <ForgeAus> really?
[07:47] <ForgeAus> I'm going to reinstall it later
[07:47] <ForgeAus> when my dos partition gets back up and running
[07:47] <nick_> I think wasting your time downloading and pirating XP is insane.....even if it does work
[07:47] <cotyrothery> I dont
[07:47] <intelikey> nick_ for it's day it did but that day ended in about 3 hours after the release...
[07:47] <cotyrothery> never did
[07:47] <ForgeAus> sysing over is ok but I have too many boot managers on that drive, I need to somehow reinstate my NTLDR along with it then put grub on
[07:47] <cotyrothery> for one thing all i had were problems with xp
[07:48] <cotyrothery> i have been waiting to get rid of it for awhile
[07:48] <wolferine> zzzzz
[07:48] <wolferine> anyone, audio drivers...
[07:48] <ForgeAus> hehe cotyro then get ready for a whole new set of *nix problems :)
[07:48] <cotyrothery> and now its gone witht the dust
[07:48] <ForgeAus> every os has its problems
[07:48] <nick_> I may try vista if i can obtain a legal copy from my work
[07:48] <ForgeAus> nick I don't recommend it
[07:48] <intelikey> cotyrothery heh i installed xp to see if i wanted it... took me two days to say "never again"   hehhe
[07:48] <cotyrothery> Bring them on
[07:48] <nick_> but it *seems they may have went overboard on the DRM
[07:48] <cotyrothery> LOL
[07:48] <a-u-51> wolferine try using mplayer instead of realplayer, itll play real files
[07:48] <wolferine> really?
[07:49] <ForgeAus> lol intellikey, I don't think you gave it enough of a chance
[07:49] <cotyrothery> intelikey: what did you not like
[07:49] <wolferine> streaming too?
[07:49] <Cugel> wolferine: yes.
[07:49] <intelikey> cotyrothery everything,
[07:49] <ForgeAus> but thats ok I can't see you ever really warming up to it
[07:49] <cotyrothery> me to
[07:49] <ForgeAus> so I wouldn't suggest reattempting it
[07:49] <cotyrothery> Over priced software also
[07:49] <carl_> Does anyone know how to configure a Mail Partner? (revision 1.8)
[07:49] <a-u-51> get mozilla plugin for mplayer in ur package manager
[07:49] <ForgeAus> its too unlike what your used to
[07:49] <a-u-51> aswell as mplayer itself
[07:49] <wolferine> well, what do you know
[07:49] <wolferine> it does
[07:50] <cotyrothery> Now that i have kubuntu im going to go and spend some money on some HD's
[07:50] <intelikey> cotyrothery but most of all the fact that it would outrightly "lie" to you.   i'd tell it to do blah and it would say ok done   but it never was done....  i will not tolerate that.  period
[07:50] <cotyrothery> and a burner
[07:50] <cotyrothery> lol
[07:50] <cotyrothery> me neither
[07:50] <cotyrothery> plus all the dumb registry problems i had
[07:50] <intelikey> then there was the eula   'that any sane human would have to "lie" to accept.'
[07:50] <cotyrothery> so many problems everyday
[07:51] <cotyrothery> It took 30 mins to and hour to sign in to windows
[07:51] <Locomotor> how much cost an vista license? i really dont know...
[07:51] <intelikey> and i don't like being a lier.
[07:51] <cotyrothery> plus windows randomly shut down on me
[07:52] <cotyrothery> or with windows there are so many viruses out htere
[07:52] <cotyrothery> there
[07:52] <nick_> Im not going 100% linux because my new printer doesnt work, i need windows software for work, too many programs need windows and I have alot of problems with government sites in linux (for instance i just tried to pay my liscence fee online and after I hit submit it froze so  had to close and do it again...but it charged me twice)
[07:52] <intelikey> and the forced "online regesteration"   i mean hey if i don't want to regester that should be my business, not M$'s
[07:52] <nick_> but i dont particularly like windows, i just need it
[07:52] <cotyrothery> yeah
[07:53] <wolferine> wow
[07:53] <wolferine> but does it play RAM files BAD
[07:53] <a-u-51> annoying prob with mplayer though, if anyone knows the solution plz speak, i have to play streaming stuff in fullscreen to see it, or fullscreen then minimize and itll worked in normal mode
[07:53] <cotyrothery> Is it possible to have tons of HD's
[07:53] <nick_> i need a plug in so i can watch non flash videos in firefox or konqerer
[07:53] <cotyrothery> that are internal
[07:53] <wolferine> tons?
[07:53] <cotyrothery> yeah like 10
[07:53] <wolferine> u have alot of cash to spend?
[07:54] <cotyrothery> yep
[07:54] <Locomotor> i dont think so
[07:54] <wolferine> i doubt that
[07:54] <cotyrothery> lol
[07:54] <nick_> any streaming media says "click here to download plug in" and it says theres none available
[07:54] <cotyrothery> over time
[07:54] <Locomotor> that's depend of motherboard and chipset
[07:54] <intelikey> nick_ that's one thing i just don't do.   pay/buy anything online
[07:54] <nick_> im nervous about it too
[07:55] <cotyrothery> I want a few drives just so i can have diffrent linuxs on each
[07:55] <nick_> but i figured "hey its a government website"
[07:55] <Locomotor> you can partition with a few disks
[07:55] <nick_> anyone from canada?
[07:55] <wolferine> so ill ask again
[07:55] <cotyrothery> im scared to partion
[07:56] <cotyrothery> I would like to install my ubuntu and edubuntu cds
[07:56] <cotyrothery> but im scared that i might mess up what i have
[07:56] <wolferine> how can I confirm I have the ALSA OSS driver.
[07:56] <wolferine> ?
[07:56] <Locomotor> is too easy, but if you scare, then one os by disk is a good choice
[07:56] <Dragoonboy> evening all... anyone know anything about ATI driver installs? im having issues
[07:56] <intelikey> i have installed four os's per hd  and one os per three hd's   ...
[07:56] <wolferine> cotyrothery, seems your a bit too green for ubuntu
[07:56] <cotyrothery> hmmm
[07:57] <cotyrothery> whats wrong with that
[07:57] <cotyrothery> i love ubuntu
[07:57] <wolferine> im sure you do
[07:57] <intelikey> cotyrothery nothing. don't let it get to ya.
[07:57] <cotyrothery> i have all there os's
[07:57] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:57] <cotyrothery> maybe one day i might be programming for it
[07:57] <cotyrothery> helping out with it
[07:58] <nick_> is there any real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu either than the look?
[07:58] <Locomotor> and you should try beryl
[07:58] <intelikey> wolferine lsmod | grep oss
[07:58] <cotyrothery> were do i get beryl
[07:58] <Dragoonboy> or can anyone assist in installing the fglrx drivers?
[07:58] <Locomotor> nop , ubuntu is gnome and kubuntu kde
[07:58] <nick_> wich is better?
[07:58] <nick_> i guess, wich 'looks' better
[07:58] <wolferine> cotyrothery, google ubuntu manual
[07:58] <Locomotor> i like kde
[07:58] <wolferine> its all in there
[07:59] <intelikey> !beryl > cotyrothery it can be trubblesum but ...
[07:59] <Locomotor> but is a free world
[07:59] <nick_> im liking the kde too....then again never tried gnome
[07:59] <cotyrothery> it takes me to a forum
[07:59] <wolferine> intelikey, this is great, but am I looking for something specific?
[07:59] <cotyrothery> for some reason i cant get ubuntu to start up correctly
[07:59] <cotyrothery> anyways
[07:59] <cotyrothery> it frezzes
[07:59] <cotyrothery> and acts weird
[08:00] <wolferine> for example, if I am not using an alsa oss
[08:00] <intelikey> you wanted to know if alsa-oss support was present.  look and see wolferine
[08:00] <Dragoonboy> does anyone see me typing?
[08:00] <Locomotor> cotyrothery, try searching beryl videos on youtube
[08:00] <cotyrothery> there cool
[08:00] <wolferine> intelikey, thanks
[08:00] <a-u-51> loco what ati card do u have?
[08:00] <intelikey> np
[08:00] <cotyrothery> people doing all sorts of things with the windows
[08:00] <nick_> dragon...yes but its busy lol
[08:00] <Locomotor> jaja
[08:01] <wolferine> how do I setup an ALSA OSS driver for my sound??
[08:01] <Dragoonboy> oh, just checking... I didnt know if nickserv and I were getting along....
[08:01] <Locomotor> alsa-conf?
[08:01] <Locomotor> i really dont remember
[08:01] <intelikey> wolferine sudo modprobe snd-alsa-oss      i think   you can use bash completion to check the name.
[08:02] <cotyrothery> so how do i set up wine
[08:02] <cotyrothery> im reading the readme
[08:02] <wolferine> cotyrothery, read the manual
[08:02] <cotyrothery> i am
[08:03] <wolferine> then dont ask, read
[08:03] <cotyrothery> i clicked on ./tools/wineinstall
[08:03] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[08:03] <wolferine> intelikey, FATAL: Module snd_alsa_oss not found.
[08:03] <cotyrothery> unless i do it through konsole
[08:03] <cotyrothery> ??
[08:03] <wolferine> cotyrothery, u should really take ppls advice
[08:03] <Dragoonboy> well, when someone gets a chance: I installed fglrx via synaptic. However I can't get xorg to utilize the driver. xorg.conf will only work with "vesa" as the driver. anyone have any ideas?
[08:03] <Locomotor> at least you should get a more detailed description of error
[08:03] <intelikey> cotyrothery if you installed it it is "setup"  do you mean "configure it" ?  or  "use it" ?
[08:04] <intelikey> wolferine so use bash completion to find the correct name.
[08:04] <wolferine> for what?
[08:04] <intelikey> for what you want
[08:04] <cotyrothery> I just downloaded it
[08:04] <cotyrothery> and it says something about wineinstall
[08:04] <intelikey> !wine
[08:04] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:05] <intelikey> !info wine
[08:05] <wolferine> intelikey, if I dont know what it is, how would I go about looking for it?
[08:05] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[08:05] <openstandards> cotyrothery: when you say you downloaded it you used the package manager right?
[08:05] <cotyrothery> no
[08:05] <cotyrothery> it was not in the package manager
[08:06] <openstandards> it is
[08:06] <cotyrothery> so i downloaded it from softpedia
[08:06] <wolferine> cotyrothery, read the ubuntu guide
[08:06] <wolferine> it has it all
[08:06] <cotyrothery> i put in wine
[08:06] <cotyrothery> nothing came up
[08:07] <openstandards> cotyrothery: 1. always try to use the package manager you'll get problems later on if you don't
[08:07] <intelikey> wolferine    in the koncole     . /etc/bash_completion    <<<< the dot is important.    then  >>>  sudo modprobe snd-[tab] [tab]   <<< it should ask if you want to view the whole list.
[08:07] <intelikey> wolferine [tab]   means hit the tab key
[08:07] <wolferine> in the koncole     . /etc/bash_completion    <<<< the dot is important. <-- what is that all about
[08:08] <openstandards> cotyrothery: http://ubuntuguide.org/ visit that
[08:08] <openstandards> have a read and then ask questions :P
[08:08] <intelikey> cotyrothery you see the guy that was on to you ^ how helpless he is...
[08:08] <intelikey> wolferine it means run that.
[08:09] <wolferine> run what?
[08:09] <intelikey> yes that's right wolferine i'm finished.
[08:09] <wolferine> ?
[08:09] <wolferine> your finished, good to hear
[08:09] <wolferine> now what did you mean exactly?
[08:10] <a-u-51> crazy
[08:10] <cotyrothery> what is happening
[08:10] <a-u-51> world coming to an end
[08:10] <intelikey> cotyrothery net split
[08:11] <intelikey> cotyrothery one server got de-sync'd from the others.
[08:11] <cotyrothery> what is going on
[08:12] <wolferine> intel, what did you mean about running that command?
[08:12] <cotyrothery> oh
[08:12] <cotyrothery> wierd
[08:12] <cotyrothery> that was cool
[08:12] <intelikey> it happens some times.
[08:13] <openstandards> cotyrothery: a net split, basically those on another server get disconnected they will rejoin again soon
[08:13] <cotyrothery> I cant wait until the next
[08:13] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:13] <openstandards> net splits are fun
[08:13] <cotyrothery> yeah
[08:13] <cotyrothery> i thought i was going to be by myself
[08:14] <openstandards> binks: get back to bed its too early to be up
[08:14] <openstandards> its like 7
[08:14] <intelikey> there is only one server with less than 10 in this channel... and it has 4 so you wouldn't be alone...
[08:14] <cotyrothery> oh
[08:14] <cotyrothery> well that would have been cool
[08:14] <cotyrothery> only a few of us
[08:14] <cotyrothery> why are there so many on
[08:15] <intelikey> other networks, other channels you can have that all the time.   if you want a big channel try #ubuntu
[08:15] <wolferine> intelikey, what were you trying to explain?
[08:16] <openstandards> intelikey: ubuntu is a nightmare its so hard helping in that channel
[08:16] <intelikey> openstandards i know.
[08:16] <intelikey> openstandards i tried #debian  they don't allow my user name...
[08:16] <openstandards> the pace of this channel is a lot nicer
[08:17] <openstandards> how comes?
[08:17] <intelikey> /whois me
[08:17] <netdaemon> has anyone bought from system 76?
[08:17] <binks> openstandards: how do u now where i am ffs
[08:18] <intelikey> openstandards i didn't say my "nickname" i said "user name"
[08:18] <binks> lol that is
[08:18] <cotyrothery> anyone have a psp
[08:18] <wolferine> your just full of questions tonight
[08:18] <cotyrothery> i love my psp and i love kubutu
[08:18] <wolferine> all across the board
[08:18] <cotyrothery> yes i am
[08:18] <cotyrothery> yep
[08:18] <openstandards>  binks has joined this channel (n=binks@82-38-226-77.cable.ubr03.wake.blueyonder.co.uk). <-- thats how
[08:18] <cotyrothery> well how would you be
[08:18] <wolferine> you want to know what I had for supper tonight too?
[08:18] <cotyrothery> if you just go kubuntu installed
[08:19] <cotyrothery> nope
[08:19] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:19] <wolferine> good
[08:19] <cotyrothery> going by your name it probley was not to good
[08:19] <binks> oh i see lol you near by then and im up cos the kids are up and i need to get avidemux running
[08:19] <openstandards> ahh
[08:20] <cotyrothery> what do wolferines eat
[08:20] <Jucato> !offtopic
[08:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:20] <openstandards> intelikey: logged in as root? you insane?
[08:20] <intelikey> openstandards no
[08:20] <openstandards> i was going to say
[08:21] <openstandards> brb need more caffine
[08:21] <shinigami> security.ubuntu.com is down?
[08:21] <openstandards> i'm starting to feel rough too much coffee
[08:21] <cotyrothery> thats my problem
[08:21] <cotyrothery> i have had to much coffee
[08:21] <Jucato> shinigami: not from my end
[08:22] <intelikey> but openstandards if i tried to login to your box as "vir"  would there be an account by that name with a password that a script could crack given a little time ?     and if so would i not then have full root access to your box ?     so i use a "username"   and root is generic
[08:23] <cotyrothery> great now i cant get in to adept
[08:23] <intelikey> cotyrothery something already using dpkg ?
[08:23] <cotyrothery> !dpkg
[08:23] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[08:23] <cotyrothery> yes i am
[08:24] <cotyrothery> it wont start
[08:24] <cotyrothery> it gives me an error
[08:24] <intelikey> can't have but one thing using dpkg at a time that's a safty feature
[08:24] <cotyrothery> i only have one
[08:24] <firecrotch> !adeptfix
[08:24] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:25] <intelikey> cotyrothery update-manager ?
[08:25] <cotyrothery> that is not what happened
[08:25] <shinigami> 99% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]                      for a longggg time
[08:25] <openstandards> intelikey: it would take a long time to brute force my password its quite a secure password :)
[08:25] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: It doesn't necessarily have to crash to leave the database locked
[08:25] <shinigami> !alien
[08:25] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[08:25] <openstandards> no ssh and behind a hardware firewall :)
[08:25] <cotyrothery> nothing locks
[08:25] <firecrotch> cotyrothery:  What is the error that you get then?
[08:25] <cotyrothery> hold on
[08:25] <cotyrothery> let me get it again
[08:26] <intelikey> openstandards well mines not.  it's only mmmmm  35 chars will upper lower and numeric plus other printable chars...  so not to secure
[08:26] <cotyrothery> could not open cache
[08:26] <intelikey> openstandards but even at that the account doesn't have sudoer access
[08:26] <cotyrothery> The APT Database could not be opened!
[08:26] <openstandards> damn thats more insane than my set up
[08:27] <firecrotch> !adeptfix
[08:27] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:27] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: that's what you need
[08:27] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:28] <shinigami> could anyone do a apt-get update now? im still stuck at security.ubuntu.com
[08:28] <intelikey> shinigami testing now for you.
[08:28] <shinigami> pinging security.ubuntu.com works :<
[08:29] <firecrotch> security.ubuntu.com is indeed being slow.
[08:29] <intelikey> seems to work under dapper
[08:30] <firecrotch> the archive is being updated
[08:30] <shinigami> k..im using edgy
[08:30] <wolferine> is there a .iso with the 7 beta available now?
[08:30] <intelikey> ummm maybe i spoke too soon.
[08:30] <cotyrothery> that is not working
[08:31] <intelikey> shinigami fear not.   i'm hung at   [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]   also.
[08:31] <firecrotch> Yeah, security.ubuntu.com redirects packets to auckland.ubuntu.com, which is having it's archive updated right now
[08:31] <shinigami> oh yeah.. :) let's wait awhile..
[08:31] <cotyrothery> if i restart the computer will that solve the problem
[08:31] <firecrotch> cotyrothery:  it may
[08:31] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:31] <intelikey> there ya go.
[08:33] <intelikey> well i sussposes that i should just remove restricted from this system   nvidia-glx aint a gonna work anyway
[08:33] <Dragoonboy> hi, can anyone tell me how to downgrade kernels? I need to use an earler verson?
[08:33] <shinigami> !lexmark
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lexmark - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <shinigami> !printers
[08:34] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:34] <intelikey> Dragoonboy are you sure you need to down grade ?
[08:34] <shinigami> can i install alien without going through apt-get ?
[08:34] <wolferine> synaptic?
[08:35] <Dragoonboy> Intelikey: yes, You have to recompile the kernel module after each kernel update! NOTE: the fglrx source code requires Linux 2.6.19 or lower. It is not yet prepared for 2.6.20.
[08:35] <Dragoonboy> thats per the wiki
[08:35] <Dragoonboy> and im using 2.6.20
[08:36] <intelikey> apt-get install linux-image-<version>
[08:36] <Dragoonboy> ah, at least something is simple
[08:36] <Dragoonboy> thanks
[08:37] <Dragoonboy> can I wget that? and where (if one could?)
[08:37] <cotyrothery> nope it did not work
[08:38] <cotyrothery> !adptfix
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adptfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <cotyrothery> !adeptfix
[08:38] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:38] <intelikey> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:38] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:39] <cotyrothery> it locks up
[08:39] <cotyrothery> i put that in the konsole and then it says password
[08:40] <cotyrothery> but it wont let me type anything
[08:40] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you won't see the password you are typing. that's normal
[08:40] <intelikey> yeah it will.  you won't see it.  just type.
[08:40] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:40] <cotyrothery> yep that worked
[08:41] <cotyrothery> but adept still does not work
[08:41] <intelikey> you did the second part of that ?
[08:41] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:41] <cotyrothery> yes
[08:42] <cotyrothery> so what could be the problem now
[08:43] <intelikey> cotyrothery it doesn't start minimized or something does it?
[08:43] <cotyrothery> no
[08:43] <cotyrothery> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:44] <intelikey> so did you     sudo apt-setup           sudo apt-get update    ?
[08:45] <cotyrothery> let me try
[08:45] <intelikey> like the error message said to try
[08:45] <intelikey> some times those error messages know just what you need....
[08:45] <cotyrothery> its not working
[08:45] <intelikey> but not always.
[08:45] <intelikey> what did it error out with ?
[08:45] <cotyrothery> it tells me there is no such command
[08:46] <cotyrothery> sudo: apt-setup: command not found
[08:46] <intelikey> heh i don't have it either.  it was in  hoary and maybe breezy
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> !adept crash fix
[08:47] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, anyone know the correct command?
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> col
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> !botsnack
[08:47] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:47] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> grr, stupid computer crashed
[08:48] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago that was the correct command    sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:48] <intelikey> has it changed ?
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i know, i needed that...thanks intelikey
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> its...in...universe
[08:50] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you don't need adept to install it
[08:50] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get install kdevelop"
[08:50] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:50] <intelikey> cotyrothery i don't know that they are related, but you may have to wait until the security server is back to normal...
[08:50] <cotyrothery> hmmm..
[08:51] <cotyrothery> jucato: that command did not work
[08:51] <intelikey> Jucato his adept wont start.    that's the issue.  and the configure -a didn't fix it.
[08:51] <Jucato> cotyrothery: what does "sudo dpkg --configure -a" say? (use a pastebin if it's too long)
[08:52] <cotyrothery> it says nothing
[08:52] <Jucato> it does nothing?
[08:52] <cotyrothery> just goes back to prompt
[08:52] <cotyrothery> on another line
[08:52] <Jucato> how about "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> seem to have found a packaging bug...
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> or dependecy error actually
[08:52] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: edgy or feisty?
[08:52] <intelikey> too long = more than two lines.
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> feisty of course :)
[08:53] <Jucato> "D
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> cotyrothery: good. try kcmshell adept
[08:53] <cotyrothery> i found a bug
[08:53] <cotyrothery> what is kcmshell adept
[08:53] <cotyrothery> you forget im a noob ;p
[08:53] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: what? kcmshell adept? O.o
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> launches adept in a shell that will output any errors
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> isn't that correct Jucato?
[08:54] <Jucato> O.o
[08:54] <Jucato> first time I've heard of it...
[08:54] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago was that one in the dapper install of nvidia-glx-legacy  eariler ?    and who do i need to tell about it.... can't file a normal bug report i'm not regestered.
[08:54] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: kcmshell == command to run kcontrol modules in a shell/window
[08:55] <cotyrothery> so i did find a bug?
[08:55] <gelsen> join ubuntu-ro
[08:55] <Jucato> cotyrothery: no
[08:55] <gelsen> join #ubuntu-ro
[08:55] <Jucato> cotyrothery: did you run the second command that I gave?
[08:55] <cotyrothery> not yet
[08:55] <cotyrothery> let me go and do that
[08:55] <cotyrothery> did nothing
[08:56] <kraut> moin
[08:56] <bentob0x> ok I have a mount in my fstab that didn't mount because it wasn't powered up at boottime of this machine, how can I re-run my fstab without having to reboot?
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: you have to register into Launchpad.net just so we can track the bug with email
[08:56] <Jucato> cotyrothery: oh btw, are you on Dapper or on Edgy?
[08:56] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> bentob0x: sudo umount -a && sudo mount -a
[08:56] <Jucato> cotyrothery: Kubuntu 6.06 or Kubuntu 6.10?
[08:56] <cotyrothery> kubuntu 6.06
[08:57] <Jucato> cotyrothery: ah... try this "sudo apt-get install kdevelop3"
[08:57] <intelikey> if    sudo apt-get install -f    returns without error adn adept wont start anymore there is something i'm not fameliar with going on....
[08:57] <cotyrothery> that did not work
[08:57] <Jucato> cotyrothery: how did it now work? what does it say?
[08:57] <cotyrothery> hold on
[08:57] <Jucato> !doesntwork
[08:57] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[08:58] <cotyrothery> E: Type 'kdevelop' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> problem with the sources most likely
[08:58] <CarinArr> ;)
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> in fact, i know for a fact that it is
[08:58] <cotyrothery> so what should i do
[08:58] <CarinArr> !sourceomatic
[08:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:59] <kraut> is security.ubuntu.com down?
[08:59] <Jucato> cotyrothery: aaah you have a bad sources.list file
[08:59] <firecrotch> kraut: Yep
[08:59] <kraut> i got icmp echo requests but couldn't open a socket to tcp 80
[08:59] <kraut> ah, ok
[08:59] <intelikey> yep thats the good ole "i edited my sources.list, but now i can't install it'   but.    called   pebcak
[08:59] <cotyrothery> how did that happen
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> kraut: no
[08:59] <kraut> firecrotch: do you know any alternativ mirror?
[09:00] <cotyrothery> I just installed kubuntu
[09:00] <cotyrothery> how do i already have a bad source file
[09:00] <firecrotch> kraut: no, sorry
[09:00] <Jucato> cotyrothery: E: The list of sources could not be read. <---
[09:00] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:00] <kraut> firecrotch: hmm, ok. then i'll try it later again
[09:00] <Jucato> cotyrothery: not a source file. but a sources.list file
[09:00] <meme-1> What is it with nicks not timing out (or at least taking a long time) I suffer from very inreliable high speed internet... what a pain to get back into IRC. Kubuntu isn't too bad but #fedora is very difficult because you need to be registered before you can chat!
[09:01] <cotyrothery> so do i go to that site
[09:01] <meme-1> unreliable NOT inreliable! lol
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, someone around to help with wireless problems
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless
[09:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:01] <intelikey> cotyrothery and one file in particular   /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:01] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: What seems to be the problem?
[09:01] <cotyrothery> ok im on that site
[09:02] <cotyrothery> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:02] <cotyrothery> thats the site im at
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: i have an open source driver, can see the device, its enabled can see all the networks.
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> can't connect
[09:02] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Try using knetworkmanager (if you're not already)
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: tried it, will try again
[09:03] <CarinArr> Admiral_Chicago: it might be worth trying to use iwconfig irectly as well
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> CarinArr: yea, let me try that in a sec
[09:03] <CarinArr> my wireless card on my desktop is very temperamental and i haven't got it to work with any of the network apps, but i can get it to connect using iwconfig
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> CarinArr: i'll keep that in mind, get back to you in a minute
[09:05] <cotyrothery> ok it is generating a source.list
[09:05] <CarinArr> right, am off to work now, but will be online again in 30 minutes or so
[09:05] <CarinArr> see yous all on in a bit
[09:05] <cotyrothery> kate came up
[09:06] <bentob0x> that worked like a charm Admiral_Chicago, thank you
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i see the default gateway IP?
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> np bentob0x...i forgot what i told you...but i'm glad it worked
[09:06] <netdaemon> ifconfig
[09:06] <bentob0x> the mounting thing ^^
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> netdaemon: i know, but i need to know where in there. I have that open :)
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> is it the bcast one?
[09:07] <netdaemon> that would give you the good idea of the subnet
[09:07] <cotyrothery> i have the new source.list
[09:07] <cotyrothery> what do i do with ti
[09:07] <netdaemon> just replace .255 with .1
[09:07] <netdaemon> ;)
[09:07] <intelikey> ok i now have adept package manager like everyone else in here... i think i'll start a gui and look at it.     (expecting to hate it...)
[09:07] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: I believe so
[09:08] <firecrotch> might be addr: though
[09:08] <Jucato> intelikey: self-fulfilling prophecy :P
[09:08] <netdaemon> addr is his address
[09:08] <cotyrothery> intelikey: what do i do with my newly generated source.list
[09:08] <Jucato> but Adept has gotten better in Feisty
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> see i'm on my school network, so its hard to figure out imho
[09:08] <netdaemon> Admiral_Chicago: what does Bcast say?
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> what up posingaspopular :)
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:09] <netdaemon> <IP_ADDRESS> is probably the gateway
[09:09] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, just got on the comp, had some tea. im not sleeping tonight i think
[09:09] <posingaspopular> might as well hang out in here
[09:09] <Jucato> lol
[09:09] <intelikey> Jucato just said expecting.  not that it was definite
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> me neither
[09:09] <Jucato> intelikey: you can be surprised at how much our expectations shape our actual outcomes :)
[09:10] <cotyrothery> can someone tell me what i need to do with this source.list
[09:10] <intelikey> cotyrothery you put it in /etc/apt/
[09:10] <Jucato> ... I am *NOT* drinking that slimming coffee again! :/
[09:10] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:10] <cotyrothery> is there a command
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> copy and paste...
[09:10] <intelikey> cotyrothery sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/
[09:10] <Jucato> cotyrothery: I believe that web page gives you the command
[09:10] <cotyrothery> it came up in kate
[09:10] <cotyrothery> so do i just save as
[09:11] <cotyrothery> in to /etc/apt
[09:11] <intelikey> if you can.
[09:11] <intelikey> i doubt you can.
[09:11] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, http://www.chicagolug.org/planet/ fourth down
[09:11] <dirgedoll> i am hella confused. this is the first time i am using linux and i downloaded superkaramba  with ark and dont know what to do next, please help!!!! thanks
[09:11] <cotyrothery> it want me to overright
[09:11] <cotyrothery> should i
[09:12] <intelikey> yeah
[09:12] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:12] <cotyrothery> now it should work right?
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> knetwork manager hangs on configuring device
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> thoughts?
[09:12] <intelikey> cotyrothery should
[09:12] <cotyrothery> nope
[09:12] <cotyrothery> it didn't
[09:12] <firecrotch> dirgedoll: You have to download what are known as "themes" (similar to Widgets in OS X)
[09:13] <Jucato> cotyrothery: you have to run "sudo apt-get update" first
[09:13] <akrus> KNetworkManager is laggy ~_~
[09:13] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:13] <Jucato> everytime you edit something in sources.list
[09:13] <firecrotch> dirgedoll: You can download them from within superkarmaba
[09:13] <intelikey> Jucato can adept not update ?
[09:13] <dirgedoll> i dont know how to get superkaramba to work
[09:13] <Jucato> intelikey: of course it can
[09:13] <cotyrothery> still not working
[09:14] <Jucato> (but I was being lazy)
[09:14] <cotyrothery> says the same thing
[09:14] <cotyrothery> E: Type 'kdevelop' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, iwconfig doesn't have ESSID like it should...maybe?
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know
[09:14] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope... maybe posingaspopular knows?
[09:14] <nonuda_> !kicker-compiz
[09:14] <Jucato> cotyrothery: that's after running "sudo apt-get update"?
[09:14] <cotyrothery> should i reinstall kubuntu
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker-compiz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:15] <firecrotch> dirgedoll: It should be in your K menu, run it and a small blue roundish icon will show up in your system tray.  Right click that and it will let you open the superkaramba window, which will have a "Get Themes" option
[09:15] <Jucato> !pastebin | cotyrothery
[09:15] <ubotu> cotyrothery: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:15] <Jucato> cotyrothery: use the pastebin to paste the contents of your sources.list
[09:15] <cotyrothery> i closed them
[09:15] <posingaspopular> that doesn't make sense to me
[09:16] <cotyrothery> great
[09:16] <cotyrothery> now i have this problem
[09:16] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Is the network you're trying to connect to using WEP or WPA?
[09:16] <dirgedoll> it isnt there i have kubuntu 6.06
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> no encryption if thats what you ask
[09:16] <cotyrothery> could someone give me there
[09:17] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago:  Yeah, I kinda worded that ambiguously...
[09:17] <intelikey> cotyrothery would you like me to fix that for you ?
[09:17] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:17] <cotyrothery> pleeeeasaaase
[09:17] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Perhaps they are using MAC address filtering?
[09:18] <intelikey> cotyrothery i will give you several commands each inside # command is here # marks ok.
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure, i know we have to use DHCP to connect
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> that is all you need to connect apparently
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, let me try something
[09:18] <cotyrothery> intelikey: ok do what you have to do
[09:18] <intelikey> cotyrothery all of them you run in the konsole.
[09:18] <intelikey> ok.
[09:18] <cotyrothery> k
[09:19] <intelikey> # sudo -i #
[09:19] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:19] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[09:19] <intelikey> cotyrothery that should give you a root shell    does it say root in the prompt ?
[09:19] <posingaspopular> rof. Admiral_Chicago http://wiki.dinosaurseateverybody.com/index.php?title=The_3_Rules_of_Life
[09:20] <cotyrothery> i get nothing
[09:20] <cotyrothery> it goes on to another line
[09:20] <posingaspopular> im blogging that
[09:20] <Admiral_Chicago> posingaspopular: lets use our other channel
[09:20] <posingaspopular> ohh right OT
[09:20] <intelikey> cotyrothery yes but does the prompt have something like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>#  ?
[09:20] <cotyrothery> no
[09:21] <cotyrothery> coty@coty-desktop:~$
[09:21] <intelikey> did you type what was between # and #  ?
[09:21] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:21] <intelikey> don't add the #
[09:21] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:21] <intelikey> ok when you get to the root prompt let me know.
[09:21] <cotyrothery> it wants my password
[09:22] <intelikey> cotyrothery so give it
[09:22] <cotyrothery> root@coty-desktop:~#
[09:22] <intelikey> k
[09:22] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:22] <intelikey> wait
[09:22] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:22] <cotyrothery> is that what i put in
[09:23] <cotyrothery> nothing
[09:23] <intelikey> put that line in  ^    all between  # and #
[09:23] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[09:23] <intelikey> ok we are not looking for output.
[09:23] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:24] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:24] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: In general, Linux command line stuff only produces output when there are errors, or when it is a command that is requesting output
[09:24] <intelikey> now that one.   and there will be three more commands after it.
[09:25] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:25] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe" >> /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:25] <intelikey> multiverse
[09:25] <intelikey> that's not it
[09:25] <intelikey> pasted wrong.
[09:25] <intelikey> cotyrothery # echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list #
[09:25] <intelikey> that's it   ^
[09:26] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:26] <intelikey> cotyrothery ok  # apt-get update #
[09:27] <intelikey> cotyrothery this time there will be output.
[09:27] <cotyrothery> it is
[09:27] <cotyrothery> connecting
[09:27] <intelikey> just kinda watch for Error:  or E:   messages.
[09:27] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:28] <intelikey> ah man security is still down....
[09:29] <intelikey> cotyrothery it may (probably will) time out on the "security" databases    the server is not accepting any traffic still....
[09:30] <cotyrothery> its working fine
[09:30] <cotyrothery> it finished
[09:31] <cotyrothery> now what
[09:32] <intelikey> ok # apt-get dist-upgrade #    note that will not change the version of kubuntu it will only apply patches and security updates that are avalable
[09:32] <cotyrothery> it works
[09:32] <cotyrothery> adept works now
[09:32] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:32] <cotyrothery> do i need to put that in
[09:32] <intelikey> you shouldn't have srarted adept just yet.
[09:32] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:32] <cotyrothery> i closed it
[09:32] <intelikey> but that's ok.   # exit #
[09:33] <cotyrothery> im doing the update
[09:33] <intelikey> ok when it finishes do the exit.
[09:33] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:33] <intelikey> and you can do what you will
[09:33] <cotyrothery> done
[09:33] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:34] <intelikey> and you're welcome
[09:34] <cotyrothery> man i have no idea what i would so with out your guys
[09:34] <intelikey> now would you like an explanation of what happened ?
[09:34] <cotyrothery> sure
[09:35] <intelikey> ok   i don't know exactly how but somehow you messed up your origenal /etc/apt/sources.list   probably in adept  editing the sources.
[09:35] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:35] <cotyrothery> for some reason now i cant get it to opne
[09:35] <cotyrothery> open
[09:36] <intelikey> then when you thought you fixed it  from using that wiesite  you actually didn't change anything because you were not root.
[09:36] <cotyrothery> it showed that it was loading
[09:36] <intelikey> then lastly i stepped in with cli solution
[09:36] <cotyrothery> oh ok
[09:37] <intelikey> cotyrothery is apt-get still running the update ?
[09:37] <cotyrothery> no
[09:37] <intelikey> and does adept work ?
[09:37] <cotyrothery> no
[09:37] <cotyrothery> it shows that it is loading
[09:37] <cotyrothery> then it goes away
[09:37] <mackyman> Morning!
[09:38] <cotyrothery> and nothing happens
[09:38] <cotyrothery> !morning
[09:38] <intelikey> ok do this in the konsole # cat /etc/apt/sources.list #  and you can pm me the output.
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about morning - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <intelikey> or pastebin which ever you like.
[09:38] <nonuda_> intelikey, do u know how to make beryl start automatically in kde?
[09:38] <cotyrothery> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:39] <cotyrothery> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:39] <cotyrothery> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:39] <cotyrothery> that is what i got
[09:39] <intelikey> nonuda_ no never seen beryl.
[09:39] <nonuda_> lol..ok then
[09:39] <intelikey> cotyrothery ok that's still correct.
[09:39] <cotyrothery> then why is it not loading
[09:40] <intelikey> try # sudo dpkg --configure -a #
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> nonuda_: have you checked out the beryl wiki on their pages
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> quality stuff
[09:40] <cotyrothery> nothing happened
[09:40] <intelikey> it may be the way you are closing adept.   let me experiment with it just a little....
[09:40] <intelikey> see if it works now.
[09:40] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:41] <firecrotch> nonuda_: You need to add a symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart to /usr/bin/beryl-manager
[09:41] <cotyrothery> works
[09:41] <cotyrothery> i take that back
[09:41] <cotyrothery> it does not work
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: might want to also create an XGL session in KDM
[09:41] <cotyrothery> ok it works
[09:41] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:42] <firecrotch> Admiral_Chicago: Why?
[09:42] <nonuda_> how to add a symlink?
[09:42] <cotyrothery> now i want to install a few things
[09:42] <cotyrothery> but there not on the list
[09:42] <cotyrothery> like wine
[09:42] <cotyrothery> and kdevelop
[09:43] <intelikey> cotyrothery for safty sake when closing adept use the adept menu quit button rather than the  [X]   in the corner
[09:43] <firecrotch> nonuda_: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manger ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl-manager
[09:43] <firecrotch> *manager
[09:43] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:43] <nonuda_> only that?
[09:44] <cotyrothery> goodie
[09:44] <cotyrothery> it now has wine
[09:44] <cotyrothery> how did that happen
[09:45] <cotyrothery> it did not have it before
[09:45] <firecrotch> nonuda_: Yeah, but you may want to follow Admiral_Chicago's advice to create an XGL session in KDM (I'd tell you how, but I don't know myself)
[09:45] <intelikey> cotyrothery cause i fixed your sources.list
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> like I said, the beryl wiki is great at that
[09:45] <cotyrothery> oh
[09:45] <cotyrothery> thanks
[09:46] <intelikey> it has all official and officially supported repos except backports which can cause trubble and should only be added for specific installs
[09:46] <cotyrothery> it even has kdevelop
[09:46] <nonuda_> hmm..got to go to beryl wiki now
[09:46] <intelikey> but of course.
[09:47] <cotyrothery> so once wine is downloaded and installed
[09:47] <cotyrothery> what do i do
[09:47] <cotyrothery> is there an icon or something
[09:47] <cotyrothery> that i click on
[09:48] <intelikey> no   konsole   # wine /path/to/file.exe #    and it will open it's own window and run in it.
[09:48] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:53] <intelikey> or you can right click on an executable (file.exe) in konqueror and select open with wine.
[09:53] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:53] <intelikey> note; not all windows .exe will run in wine.
[09:53] <cotyrothery> so if i ever decided to upgrade how would i
[09:53] <cotyrothery> would i need a burner
[09:53] <intelikey> and also a side note; in my experance wine is slow slow slow loading  but once the window comes up you are ok.
[09:53] <cotyrothery> ok
[09:53] <cotyrothery> thx
[09:53] <xardias> anyone has problems connecting to icq with kopete just now?
[09:53] <intelikey> upgrade is fully network supported.
[09:53] <intelikey> !upgrade
[09:53] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:53] <cotyrothery> intelikey
[09:53] <cotyrothery> if you ever get a pps
[09:53] <intelikey> if you want information on that ^
[09:53] <cotyrothery> psp
[09:53] <cotyrothery> i will help you hack it
[09:53] <intelikey> ok...
[09:53] <cotyrothery> When hacked it can run unsigned code
[09:53] <cotyrothery> i even got kubuntu to work on it
[09:53] <cotyrothery> using bochs
[09:53] <firecrotch> cotyrothery: You ran Kubuntu on your PSP?!
[09:53] <cotyrothery> yes
[09:53] <cotyrothery> even windows
[09:55] <cotyrothery> it emulates it
[09:55] <cotyrothery> you put the disk image on the psp memory stick
[09:55] <cotyrothery> then start up bochs
[09:56] <cotyrothery> k i configured wine
[09:57] <intelikey> hmmm adept is bad slow loading on this old box.
[09:57] <cotyrothery> how do i get wine to work again
[09:58] <intelikey> i can install and remove the same package three times from the command line before this adept gets done reading the datbases.
[09:58] <intelikey> cotyrothery i mentioned two ways  scroll up.
[09:58] <intelikey> page-up key
[09:59] <cotyrothery> so confusing
 no   konsole   # wine /path/to/file.exe #    and it will open it's own window and run in it.<intelikey> or you can right click on an executable (file.exe) in konqueror and select open with wine.
[09:59] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:00] <cotyrothery> so i need to put my cd in
[10:00] <cotyrothery> because that is what i want to run
[10:00] <intelikey> if that's where the executabls is
[10:00] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:04] <intelikey> lol.   using adept when you actually tell it to install or remove something it tuns the command  apt-get blah blah blah        hehhe
[10:04] <cotyrothery> its asking for a windows drive
[10:04] <cotyrothery> what drive should i install
[10:05] <cotyrothery> it's giveing me drive c
[10:05] <intelikey> cotyrothery probably needs some .dll 's    do you have an installed windows system ?  if so point it at that.
[10:05] <cotyrothery> no
[10:05] <cotyrothery> i erased windows
[10:06] <intelikey> oh wait.  it asking for an "install" location to write to ?
[10:06] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:06] <intelikey> try c
[10:06] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:06] <intelikey> i think it emulates that in your home dir.
[10:07] <intelikey> ~/.wine/c:  or something like that
[10:07] <intelikey> don't recall.
[10:08] <intelikey> well ok. i used adept one time.  i can remove it from the system now.
[10:09] <intelikey> i think i'll install minimal on a spare drive....
[10:10] <intelikey> it's a 1g drive i think i'll partition it.  no need in wasting all that space.
[10:10] <cotyrothery> im going to try and install edubuntu today
[10:11] <intelikey> anyone know what the name of the textmode installer is ?
[10:12] <cotyrothery> oie godie
[10:12] <cotyrothery> this is so cooool
[10:12] <cotyrothery> all the developing tools
[10:13] <intelikey> cotyrothery i think you are going to like linux ...
[10:13] <cotyrothery> yep
[10:13] <cotyrothery> i think so to
[10:13] <cotyrothery> for my first project ever in kubuntu
[10:13] <intelikey> oh did you install build-essential  ?
[10:13] <cotyrothery> im going to do a Hello Kubunut
[10:13] <cotyrothery> no
[10:14] <cotyrothery> why
[10:14] <cotyrothery> should it
[10:14] <cotyrothery> i
[10:14] <intelikey> yes do.
[10:14] <cotyrothery> what is it
[10:14] <intelikey> !b-e
[10:14] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:14] <intelikey> you can read about it  ^
[10:14] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:14] <os2mac> Hi all, anyone want to hear the status of a dist upgrade?
[10:14] <intelikey> sure
[10:15] <cotyrothery> intelikey: i can teach you one line of c++
[10:15] <os2mac> works great. even fixed my long broken wireless nic....
[10:15] <intelikey> ok cotyrothery in return i'll teach you a little bash
[10:15] <cotyrothery> a simple input out put line is
[10:15] <intelikey> os2mac feisty ?
[10:16] <cotyrothery> #include <iostream.h>
[10:16] <intelikey> nice.
[10:16] <cotyrothery> using namespace std;
[10:16] <cotyrothery> int main(void)
[10:16] <cotyrothery> {
[10:16] <cotyrothery>       cout << "Hello World";
[10:16] <cotyrothery>         return 0;
[10:16] <cotyrothery> }
[10:16] <root> Can I install kubuntu using the livecd of another distro?
[10:16] <cotyrothery> there you go
[10:17] <os2mac> yeah.
[10:17] <intelikey> cotyrothery the most valuable bash command is   # man man #        where the second man is sometimes replaced by other commands.   intro   for example.
[10:17] <cotyrothery> now compile your work
[10:17] <os2mac> and I have a broadcom nic.
[10:17] <cotyrothery> i have never heard of bash
[10:17] <os2mac> what?
[10:17] <intelikey> open  konsole   and you are in a bash shell.
[10:17] <os2mac> you have never heard of bash?
[10:17] <cotyrothery> oh
[10:17] <cotyrothery> never mind
[10:18] <os2mac> csh, ksh, sh,?
[10:18] <Kuwanger> Well, I guess that means figuring out how to install a boot loader.
[10:19] <intelikey> Kuwanger which one ?
[10:19] <cotyrothery> wow time flys
[10:19] <cotyrothery> its 4:19 am here
[10:19] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Which one what?
[10:19] <intelikey> boot loader
[10:20] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Good question.  Seeing as this live cd seems to be relatively old, I assume its boot loader is too.  So, I'm not sure the logic behind using its boot loader.
[10:20] <Kuwanger> Not to mention not really knowing how to use its bootloader..
[10:21] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:21] <intelikey> check those ^
[10:22] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Well, I don't have Windows installed.  And, I don't know if I have grub.  Even if I do, it's a rather old version.
[10:22] <intelikey> doesn't matter about having windows install the process is the same.  it's about installing grub from a liveCD  just go look.
[10:23] <intelikey> it is apropos
[10:24] <cotyrothery> how do i compile my work
[10:24] <cotyrothery> with kdevelop
[10:24] <intelikey> did you install build-essential ?
[10:24] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:24] <intelikey> ok then you do have the gcc compiler installed.
[10:25] <intelikey> so you are the "code monkey" in that tree... not me.
[10:25] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:25] <cotyrothery> i know
[10:25] <cotyrothery> but all the IDE's i have used like bloodshed
[10:25] <cotyrothery> have a button you just click compile
[10:26] <cotyrothery> i dont see one with kdevelope
[10:26] <cotyrothery> unless i make a main.c file
[10:26] <cotyrothery> and a makefile
[10:26] <cotyrothery> and point it at that
[10:26] <intelikey> there is probably one in there somewhere.
[10:26] <cotyrothery> and put in "make"
[10:26] <intelikey> button
[10:27] <Kuwanger> intelikey: "The file /mnt/lin/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[10:28] <Kuwanger> intelikey: That's from doing "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/lin /dev/hda"
[10:28] <intelikey> hmmmm  file does exist doesn't it ?
[10:28] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Where?
[10:29] <intelikey>  /mnt/lin/boot/grub/stage1
[10:29] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Nope.
[10:29] <intelikey> or /mnt/lin/boot/grub/stage1*
[10:29] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Only thing in /mnt/lin/boot/grub is device.map
[10:29] <myTB|Tanuva> does one of you know if its possible to switch off automounting for specific devices?
[10:29] <cotyrothery> intelikey: do you get head aches from so many questions everyday?
[10:30] <myTB|Tanuva> or just turn it on for the cdrom?
[10:31] <intelikey> Kuwanger ok you can enter a grub shell  and do a root=(hd0,0)    setup        i think.    i'm not much of a grubber...
[10:31] <cotyrothery> what are some good programes that i should install?
[10:31] <intelikey> cotyrothery what do you like ?
[10:31] <os2mac> anyone know how to reorder the OS's in the grub loader?
[10:32] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[10:32] <Kuwanger> intelikey: (hd0,1) would be hda2, right?
[10:32] <cotyrothery> i like anything intresting
[10:32] <cotyrothery> hmm
[10:32] <cotyrothery> what do you like
[10:32] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva right click the desktop and perferances select to not show the device in question on the desktop  that should keep it from automounting...
[10:32] <cotyrothery> just throw stuff at me
[10:32] <myTB|Tanuva> os2mac: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:32] <intelikey> Kuwanger yessir
[10:33] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Well, setup (hd0) complains that it can't find the stage1 file.
[10:33] <cotyrothery> is gimp the best thing close to photoshop
[10:33] <intelikey> cotyrothery i'm a cli kinda guy you should ask someone that uses kde...
[10:34] <cotyrothery> what is cli
[10:34] <intelikey> !cli
[10:34] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:34] <intelikey> as opposed to gui
[10:34] <cotyrothery> oh
[10:34] <cotyrothery> well i gimp about as good as photoshop
[10:34] <cotyrothery> or is there better
[10:35] <intelikey> gimp-shop i think it's called is a skin for gimp that makes it much like ps
[10:35] <cotyrothery> cool
[10:35] <intelikey> it's still all gimp underneath
[10:36] <cotyrothery> yeah
[10:36] <cotyrothery> Photoshop is the one thing that i did love
[10:36] <intelikey> i don't guess i've ever seen it
[10:36] <cotyrothery> im sure you haven't
[10:37] <cotyrothery> its nice though
[10:37] <intelikey> Kuwanger sorry.  i really don't know.  maybe Jucato when he's not to busy can help
[10:38] <intelikey> Kuwanger is grub package installed on the system in question.... that could be the problem...
[10:39] <myTB|Tanuva> intelikey: that only controls if kde should create such icons, its not setting the same for the automounter...
[10:39] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Well, seeing as there's a grub-install and a grub, I'd guess yes.
[10:40] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva if kde doesn't watch the device it doesn't automount.
[10:40] <intelikey> Kuwanger didn't know if you chrooted in befor you ran those or not.
[10:40] <myTB|Tanuva> hmm
[10:41] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Far as I can see, --root-directory is there to avoid the need for that.
[10:41] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva we could be talking about two differant things you don't mean each boot time do you ?
[10:42] <intelikey> Kuwanger it also avoids using the grub from the installed system  and uses the one from the cd
[10:42] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Wouldn't that more be a factor of the PATH?
[10:42] <intelikey> try as root   chroot /mnt/lin     and grub-install /dev/hda
[10:42] <myTB|Tanuva> intelikey: What I want: that it doesnt mount my usbstick/mp3-player when I plug it in because it mounts it on the wrong folder (changing fstab doesnt work)
[10:43] <Kuwanger> intelikey: No bash in /mnt/lin.
[10:43] <intelikey> Kuwanger oh.  thought it was in installed system ?
[10:43] <Kuwanger> intelikey: Just a live CD.
[10:44] <firecrotch> !enlightenment
[10:44] <Kuwanger> I just copied the contents of /S.u.S.E./usr/lib/grub/ to /mnt/lin/boot/grub, and grub-install seems to have worked.
[10:44] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[10:44] <coty> intelikey: have i tolled yo about my site
[10:45] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva ok.   correct usb is not controlled in fstab most of the time.   but you could put a line in the fstab for the mount using the blkid   that should make it use the same mountpoint each time.
[10:45] <intelikey> coty no.
[10:45] <coty> i shortened my name
[10:45] <coty> from cotyrothery to coty
[10:45] <intelikey> Kuwanger there you go.
[10:45] <coty> my site is http://psphackdeving.110mb.com
[10:45] <intelikey> k
[10:46] <coty> i have like 132 members
[10:46] <coty> or more
[10:46] <coty> Just incase you get a psp you know how to contact me on hacking it
[10:47] <intelikey> coty install links2 and  # links2 http://psphackdeving.110mb.com  #   sometime.
[10:47] <intelikey> or elinks
[10:48] <arturo> hi everyone
[10:48] <coty> Hmmm
[10:48] <coty> what is that
[10:48] <firecrotch> Hi, arturo
[10:48] <firecrotch> coty: those are text based web browsers
[10:48] <intelikey> text based web browser
[10:48] <arturo> anyone available to answer an Edgy upgrade question?
[10:48] <coty> you lost me on that
[10:48] <intelikey> arturo not until you ask it.
[10:48] <llutz> hello all
[10:48] <arturo> :P
[10:49] <arturo> I just upgraded my Kubuntu fr Dapper LTS to Edgy.
[10:49] <intelikey> fire you free for a few ?
[10:49] <firecrotch> intelikey: sure
[10:49] <arturo> Now when I start 2.6.17 I get "Starting up RAIDs. Please wait, the process might take a long time!" and stays there for over 10 minutes
[10:49] <Kuwanger> Now all I need is a menu.lst.
[10:49] <intelikey> k i'm out for  a bit it's all yours.
[10:50] <arturo> it eventually gets past it, but freezes whenever loading my PC wifi card. Have to power off
[10:50] <firecrotch> sounds good
[10:50] <intelikey> arturo you have raid setup ?
[10:50] <arturo> This does not happen when I boot 2.6.15-27
[10:51] <arturo> I did once, but the array is no longer there. I removed /etc/mdadm/mdadm.config but I'm obviously missing something. How do I purge the RAID setup?
[10:51] <intelikey> it's in the   initramfs.img-2.6.17*
[10:51] <intelikey> i'm gone.
[10:51] <laune> Hello... Does somebody know how to use a Razer Copperhead with Kubuntu?
[10:53] <firecrotch> arturo: try adding the noraid option to the grub entry for 2.6.17
[10:53] <coty> hey i have kmail installed but i dont know how to get to it
[10:54] <arturo> hmmm excellent suggestion. Let me try that. I'm assuming that if I ever to have a RAID installed I take that entry out and it should find the RAID and everything will be ok?
[10:54] <arturo> I'll try that then
[10:54] <firecrotch> arturo: yeah
[10:54] <laune> Does somebody know how to use a Razer Copperhead with Kubuntu?
[10:54] <arturo> thanks firecroth (dig the name btw)
[10:55] <Kuwanger> Well, here goes nothing..
[10:56] <firecrotch> arturo: Thanks :)
[10:56] <arturo> should add noraid to kopt= or to the indiv entry in grub?
[10:57] <firecrotch> arturo:  to the entry in grub
[10:57] <arturo> ok, so not to the automagic kernel stuff. Thx
[10:57] <coty> bye
[10:58] <firecrotch> laune: http://www.phoronix.com/lch/?k=entry&l=16&t=Razer   That's pretty much all I could find about it.  You'll need to edit your xorg.conf file
[10:59] <laune> thx firecrotch
[10:59] <firecrotch> laune: http://sourceforge.net/projects/razertool/   is a tool that will let you configure the mouse buttons
[11:00] <firecrotch> !info razertool
[11:00] <ubotu> Package razertool does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:01] <firecrotch> laune:  There's a .deb for it, so you ought to be able to get it to work for you
[11:01] <laune> !info razertool
[11:01] <herken1986> salut
[11:01] <herken1986> y a quelqu un ??
[11:01] <ubotu> Package razertool does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:01] <herken1986> j'ai un gros probleme
[11:03] <laune> french
[11:03] <laune> he has a big problem
[11:03] <firecrotch> laune:  Thanks :)
[11:03] <firecrotch> !fr | herken1986
[11:03] <ubotu> herken1986: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:08] <ravencrow> !mplayer
[11:08] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[11:08] <arturo> well, it appears the noraid option in grub is not doing anything
[11:08] <arturo> still gives me the same message
[11:09] <arturo> still freezes at "Starting up RAIDs"
[11:10] <firecrotch> arturo: I'll take a look and see what I can find
[11:10] <arturo> thanks. I've searched google, but haven't found anything relevant (might not be looking in the right places)
[11:10] <anti_pop> can someone please explain me, how to get a TRASH icon onto the desktop ?
[11:11] <metty_> hi! i have a ati radeon mobility x700 and installed the newest driver, i use the fglrx, i want to install beryl but don't know if i have AIGLX or  XGL - pls help
[11:12] <firecrotch> !beryl
[11:12] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:12] <anti_pop> fglrx cant work with aiglx afaik
[11:13] <anti_pop> you should use the radeon driver is you want aiglx
[11:14] <metty_> how can i find out if i use XGL or AIGLX ?
[11:14] <firecrotch> anti_pop: Right click on the desktop, choose link to URL, and use trash:/ as the URL
[11:15] <anti_pop> firecroth, thank you!
[11:15] <firecrotch> anti_pop: You're welcome!
[11:15] <firecrotch> arturo: I'm only finding stuff on software RAIDs, yours is a hardware RAID, right?
[11:16] <arturo> no, software (blush)
[11:16] <arturo> thought I'd mentioned that
[11:16] <arturo> your tip on the Trash was amazingly useful to me too actually, thanks!
[11:16] <firecrotch> Heh, I totally just came up with the Trash thing, I tried it and it worked
[11:16] <anti_pop> firecrotch, in gnome i was able to resize the icon, since i like it a bit bigger. can i do this in kde too ?
[11:18] <arturo> so yeah, software raid
[11:18] <emp__> hi, anyone knows how u can make konqueror open new instances in a new tab so u never have more then one instance?
[11:18] <firecrotch> arturo: check /etc/fstab to make sure it's not trying to mount it
[11:19] <arturo> ok, let me check (waiting for the thing to get past the RAID thing now)
[11:19] <firecrotch> anti_pop: There may be a way to do it, I'll have to look into it
[11:20] <anti_pop> firecrotch: its not that important, dont waste your time :)
[11:21] <firecrotch> anti_pop: This is the kind of thing I like to try to figure out :)
[11:22] <anti_pop> i got a more important question: http://xlntsolution.blogspot.com/2007/03/feisty-performance-fly-like-butterfly.html <- thats a list of "hacks"/configurations/etc to improve performance. i want to know what you guys can tell me about #7: profile grub
[11:23] <tdn> I have Edgy installed on my IBM Thinkpad T42. If I do suspend, it suspends nicely and comes back up, when I open the lid. However, if I hibernate, it goes down but when I turn it on, it does a normal bootup, thus discarding all the things I had running before hibernate. Is this a common problem? How do I fix it? Can it be caused by the fact that I use encrypted rootfs/swap?
[11:23] <firecrotch> tdn: I recall reading somewhere that hibernate won't work if your swap partition is smaller than the amount of RAM you have
[11:24] <tdn> firecrotch, it is *much* larger than my amount of RAM. Iit is 2.5G. I have 1G RAM.
[11:25] <tdn> firecrotch, also, if that was the cause, I should be warned, shouldn't I?
[11:25] <firecrotch> anti_pop: it can shave a few seconds off the boot process, but IMO, it's not worth it.
[11:25] <arturo> firecrotch: Ok, it's not present in fstab. Where does webmin keep RAID setup info? I used webmin to set it up. Also, edgy changed all my "root=" in fstab to UUID numbers. Is this normal?
[11:25] <anti_pop> firecrotch: my boot process lasts very long
[11:26] <anti_pop> on kubuntu feisty, amd xp 2400, 1 gig ram, 7200 whatever drive
[11:26] <leiar> Need help with my wireless NIC, Intel Pro/wireless 2200BG on a Fujutsu Amilo Pro. It reports as enabled in Network settings, but isn't
[11:26] <CarinArr> anti_pop: does it switch back to text at any point or does it just take long with the boot splash
[11:27] <anti_pop> last
[11:27] <anti_pop> and there are no real errors
[11:27] <anti_pop> in the logs
[11:27] <leiar> I'm a teacher administrating linux computers on 3 schools. Now I want to put away Xp on the teacher's laptops, in order to force them into the linux-world where the pupils are
[11:28] <firecrotch> arturo: as far as I know, it's normal for it to change to UUIDs.  If you set it up in webmin, then you should be able to easily disable it with webmin
[11:28] <leiar> anybody who can help me with my wireless NIC?
[11:28] <neonlinux> hey all, anyone had experience with ati x1600 and kubuntu feisty beta?
[11:28] <arturo> firecrotch: well, that's the thing. When I disconnected the array, when logging into the software RAID module, no RAIDs were listed, so there was nothing to remove
[11:29] <firecrotch> leiar: try ifdown <interface>   then ifup <interface> from the command line
[11:29] <firecrotch> arturo:  Can you reconnect it?  If so, reconnect it and then go into webmin
[11:29] <leiar> firecrotch: like ifdown eth0?
[11:29] <firecrotch> leiar: Yeah
[11:30] <CarinArr> anti_pop: if you boot using "nosplash" you can see what happens at boot, so maybe you can see which bits are taking longer
[11:30] <firecrotch> !webmin | arturo
[11:30] <ubotu> arturo: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[11:30] <anti_pop> CarinArr: ok i will add that option and see
[11:30] <anti_pop> how long should the boot take ?
[11:30] <firecrotch> arturo:  though I'm not having any problems with it on my server
[11:31] <ANAP> SALUT
[11:31] <arturo> ubotu: darn. I kind of liked the convenience of it.
[11:31] <anti_pop> mine is like 4 minutes or so :/
[11:31] <leiar> firecrotch: trying to fetch ip, but fails
[11:31] <CarinArr> anti_pop: that sounds very slow..
[11:31] <arturo> firecroth: pardon the question, but what does !webmin mean?
[11:31] <CarinArr> mine takes about 20 - 30 seconds
[11:31] <anti_pop> yes, its no fancy cpu, but still amd xp 2400
[11:31] <CarinArr> apart from my desktop which for some reason runs a full fsck on all drives every boot
[11:32] <arturo> (looks like the hostap driver is hosed in Edgy too. Kernel freezes whenever I insert my WPC 11 card from Linksys)
[11:32] <firecrotch> arturo:  !webmin  is a command for the channel bot to tell you about webmin
[11:32] <ANAP> salut
[11:33] <arturo> !webmin
[11:33] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[11:36] <firecrotch> leiar:  try using the program knetworkmanager
[11:36] <arturo> ok, there it is.
[11:36] <arturo> thanks firecrotch
[11:36] <anti_pop> leiar: there is a lot of help in the forums on wireless problems
[11:36] <firecrotch> arturo:  You're welcome :)
[11:36] <arturo> That's two things that don't work right for me that absolutely have to, so I'm going to have to only use the kernel version that works. I do need to figure out how to disable the RAID though. I don't have those hard disks available anymore...
[11:36] <arturo> plus even the kernel that works tries to load RAID, the noraid option there notwithstanding
[11:36] <Ukjent> hi
[11:36] <leiar> firecrotch: Is there a way to find out if the drivers are corrupt? Like lspci. What does lspci tell me?
[11:36] <Ukjent> kubuntu damaged my hhd?
[11:36] <Ukjent> how can i restore it?
[11:36] <anti_pop> at the moment my boot options are: ro quiet
[11:36] <anti_pop> i use ro nosplash to see all comandlines ?
[11:36] <Ukjent> i used kubuntu 6.0.6 lts to format it
[11:36] <firecrotch> tdn: are you trying to hibernate from the Logout menu, or with the hibernate button?  I'm reading that it often only works with the button
[11:36] <leiar> anti_pop: wireless forums? like #wireless?
[11:37] <anti_pop> leiar, second
[11:37] <firecrotch> leiar: I doubt it's a driver problem, really
[11:37] <anti_pop> leiar: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=136
[11:37] <CarinArr> anti_pop: sorry, you have to remove quiet as well
[11:38] <emanuele11> hi all! I have a trouble with my sound chip. I have a keymat laptop and I installed ubuntu edgy on it without problems (using alternate CD) with a celeron 1ghz , 128 mb ram (8 shared) with a "Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)". it uses snd-trident module. With dynebolic live i hear sounds but with all other distros (ubuntu too) it doesn't works.
[11:38] <anti_pop> CarinArr, so just ro nosplash, right ?
[11:38] <firecrotch> !sound | emanuele11
[11:38] <ubotu> emanuele11: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:39] <CarinArr> anti_pop: yeah try that
[11:39] <firecrotch> Oh geez, it's almost 5 am
[11:39] <leiar> firecrotch: the computer has got a button to turn the nic on and off. I am not able to turn it on, still network settings repots it to be enabled, in wireless assistant I get wireless card turned off. I've enabled it in bios.. But
[11:39] <Ukjent> some one who can help me? kubuntu damaged my hdd
[11:39] <anti_pop> ok i will write down long it takes and watch where it needs a lot of time, and let you know then
[11:40] <firecrotch> leiar: Are you using wlassistant (the wireless manager that is installed by default) ?
[11:41] <leiar> firecrotch: yea
[11:41] <firecrotch> leiar: install knetworkmanager  and use that instead
[11:42] <firecrotch> leiar: wlassistant is garbage, which is why it's no longer the default in feisty
[11:43] <firecrotch> leiar:  I had all kinds of trouble using wlassistant too
[11:43] <usemody> Everything we know goes away in the end,but nothing really dies, even kashual/usemody , so it is important to distinguish - http://center.usemody.org - Selfinflicted - You ought to have known better!
[11:44] <usemody> :-P
[11:44] <firecrotch> !offtopic
[11:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:46] <firecrotch> !botsnack
[11:46] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:48] <leiar> firecrotch: I found a netw cable, and am now upgrading. Haven't ddone that before. May that help? To upgrade i mean..
[11:48] <koriel> anybody have problems with k3b in kubuntu..As a user I can write dvds but I need to run k3b as root (sudo) to write cds
[11:49] <Ukjent> SOME one who can help me?
[11:50] <Ukjent> kubuntu crashed my hhd?
[11:50] <leiar> Ukjent: try to install once more and kryss your fingers :-)
[11:50] <anti_pop> ok, my machine needed 60 seconds from hitting power button to x-login screen. after profiling it needed 55 seconds
[11:50] <testi> how i can use svideo out on my kubuntu i have ati radeon 9600?
[11:50] <Ukjent> when i try to boot windows cd, then win cant find the hdd
[11:51] <Ukjent> leiar u think it will work?
[11:51] <anti_pop> there is one error while booting: something like: group "nvram" unknown..
[11:51] <leiar> Ukjent: is the kubuntu installasjon working?
[11:51] <arturo> Well, I guess I just found my excuse to buy three hard drives and setup a real RAID array... :)
[11:52] <jack_> hi, there is  asilent mode button for my laptop, which prevents the fan from being noisy, how can i enable that ? or how can i use any silent mode in linux?
[11:53] <Ukjent> leiar no it is not anny os on it
[11:53] <timte> When I connect my laptop to a bigger monitor I get 640x480. Is this common? How can I change the resolution?
[11:53] <arturo> !hostap
[11:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hostap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <usemody> !hybserv
[11:58] <ubotu> hybserv: IRC services for IRCD-Hybrid. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.8.0+1.9.0rc2-1 (edgy), package size 228 kB, installed size 1348 kB
[11:59] <Xorg> i have interesting ftp upload problem, i can upload to ftp://test.com/12  but i cant upload to ftp://test.com/13 , it says permission denied... btw i am the space owner :l
[11:59] <arturo> how do I tell my pcmcia subsystem to load the orinoco_cs driver for my wifi card instead of the hostap_cs driver which crashes with  "unexpected IRQ trap at vector 30"?
[11:59] <arturo> I already edited /etc/pcmcia/config
[12:01] <usemody> i know ubotu but how become i this run and connect to my hybrid-ircd7
[12:01] <usemody> :=)
[12:02] <RoyB72> anyone here? need help with 2 things... first I'm trying to install NVIDIA nForce drivers, but it's talking about "...no precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel..." he tries to compile, but cant make it?
[12:03] <arturo> anyone?
[12:03] <charlesHKG> My Adept Manager wont allow me to download or remove app...it says some other process is using it....how can I see what process is using it and kill it??
[12:06] <charlesHKG> ..
[12:07] <leiar> Ukjent: Sorry can't help. But I think I would have done that.
[12:08] <anti_pop> my cpu is athlon xp 2400, so should i use -k7 kernel ?
[12:08] <anti_pop> instead of -generic ?
[12:10] <charlesHKG> My Adept Manager wont allow me to download or remove app...it says some other process is using it....how can I see what process is using it and kill it so I can remove some apps???
[12:11] <usemody> Everything we know goes away in the end,but nothing really dies, even kashual/usemody , so it is important to distinguish - http://center.usemody.org - Selfinflicted - You ought to have known better! http://usemody.org/chat/chat.html This Network tells its own tale !
[12:11] <usemody> :D
[12:12] <rigved> hi can any body pls help me with enabling my soundcard
[12:12] <rigved> on kubuntu'
[12:12] <rigved> i have a sblive card that worked perfect on windows
[12:13] <rigved> pls help
[12:14] <usemody> sndconfig
[12:14] <usemody> or alsaconf
[12:14] <usemody> :=)
[12:14] <rigved> ok llemmeee check'
[12:14] <usemody> one of both will do that
[12:14] <usemody> but u must do it in shell with sudo
[12:14] <rigved> i did it
[12:15] <rigved> it says bad command
[12:15] <usemody> sndconfig ?
[12:15] <usemody> try sndconf
[12:15] <rigved> ya
[12:15] <usemody> ^^
[12:15] <voicu> hi, i'm trying to build kde4 from svn using the tutorial from the net. i'm stuck at kdelibs because it asks for libungif (like the tutorial said it would) and i have libungif installed
[12:15] <usemody> if not work u must first install sndfile and so
[12:16] <rigved> bash: sndconf: command not fo
[12:16] <voicu> for example, cmake found cups in /usr/lib/libcups.so but not libungif which is the same place
[12:16] <voicu> i did a whereis libungif and it gave me /usr/lib/libungif.so
[12:16] <voicu> (libungif is installed from the kubuntu package)
[12:17] <charlesHKG> I am only getting read only access to Adept Manager it says.... You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[12:18] <rigved> usemody: can i apt-get that
[12:18] <ANAP17> ^^66
[12:18] <charlesHKG> so how od I see what the process is and kill it???
[12:18] <rigved> apt-get sndfile
[12:19] <usemody> use adept and seek for word snd
[12:19] <ANAP17> SAL
[12:20] <usemody> !sndconf
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sndconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <usemody> !sndconfig
[12:20] <voicu> grep -R "libungif" searches for "libungif" in all the files right?
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sndconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <usemody> lol
[12:20] <usemody> !alsaconfig
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsaconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <usemody> !alsaconf
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsaconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <usemody> what is that ........... my bash terminal tell me not thats nothing it do the command
[12:22] <usemody> old hint 4 config snd cards
[12:22] <frojnd> why, my upper cases won't work in monitor: I press shift + a and there is no A  ??
[12:22] <usemody> :=)
[12:22] <charlesHKG> I wish I knew if the apt-get suggestion was for me or someone else
[12:24] <charlesHKG> I am only getting read only access to Adept Manager it says.... You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.   so How can I see what the process is, so I can kill it?????
[12:27] <tmbg> charlesHKG, do you run synaptic? that will also lock the database.
[12:29] <charlesHKG> as far as I know.....no...I dont even have synaptic on the computer....
[12:30] <cyt> charlesHKG: Or you are running apt-get, aptitue , ...?
[12:30] <hackdaddy> YIPEE SKIPPEE PROTOTYPE.JS ROCKS!!!
[12:30] <cyt> s/aptitue/aptitude
[12:30] <charlesHKG> no....
[12:31] <cyt> charlesHKG: Do you take a view on you process table?
[12:32] <charlesHKG> process table?????
[12:32] <charlesHKG> whats that?
[12:32] <cyt> charlesHKG: I mean 'ps axu' :P
[12:33] <tmbg> charlesHKG, if you have lsof, try maybe lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[12:33] <tmbg> it should show you what application is holding the lock.
[12:35] <frojnd> why, my upper cases won't work in monitor: I press shift + a and there is no A  ??
[12:37] <charlesHKG> I typed in  lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock   but it returns  lsof not found
[12:38] <mdtyke> Hey guys
[12:39] <tmbg> I'm not sure that lsof is part of the base install or if I've added it though
[12:40] <charlesHKG> I looked for lsof, apt-get, aptitute......nothing.....
[12:42] <charlesHKG> I have one line with /usr/sbin/apt-i
[12:42] <tmbg> charlesHKG, if you have lsof, try maybe lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[12:42] <leiar> I've got a laptop Fujitsu siemens amilo pro. I am not able to turn on the wireless nic. There's a button on the laptop to turn it on. Works in XP, but not in kbuntu. Anybody?
[12:42] <tmbg> oh heh. you don't have lsof. n/
[12:43] <tmbg> m
[12:43] <tmbg> now ps -ef | grep apt-i then
[12:43] <charlesHKG> we tried that earlier as well....
[12:43] <tmbg> should give you the full name of the executable
[12:45] <charlesHKG> root      4153     1  0 17:54 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apt-index-watcher watch --syslog
[12:49] <tmbg> apt-index-watcher I don't think is supposed to lock the database but it looks like it is.
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> !aptfix
[12:50] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:51] <voicu> can anyone sumarize what the cmake command CHECK_STRUCT_MEMBER does?
[12:51] <voicu> i cannot find something relevant
[12:55] <charlesHKG> I got unknown option -o returned
[12:55] <intelikey> some one grep -m1 -v '#' /etc/fstab   for me please i need the syntax for the blkid listings
[12:55] <charlesHKG> along with the string
[12:56] <intelikey> grep -m1 -v '#' /etc/fstab       ???
[12:56] <intelikey> well lets not all answer at one time now.....
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> heh, I have to get into another system my fstab is standard.
[12:57] <charlesHKG> it also said to run aptitude, so I did....now aptitude says dpkg was interupted and to run it manually
[12:58] <llutz> intelikey: UUID entries?
[12:58] <tmbg> some patience you have.
[12:58] <intelikey> llutz yes
[12:58] <llutz> UUID=3ae41ca4-6cef-491e-8ada-e5821e254e14 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> charlesHKG: UUID=d69a466a-04a9-4a7c-8a21-dd6c4677200e that's all that's different from a standard line - just your ID in the filesystem space.
[12:58] <intelikey> thank you.
[01:11] <leiar> can anyone please help to find out hoe to turn the wireless nic on
[01:11] <leiar> on my fujitsu siemens
[01:12] <leiar> kjgkjh
[01:12] <leiar> k,jb
[01:12] <leiar> where are you
[01:12] <llutz> leiar: google for "acerhk", former notebooks needed it for that kind of switch
[01:12] <apokryphos> !patience
[01:12] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:15] <charlesHKG> thanks  TMBG   UBOTU
[01:32] <nicoc> hello?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> 'lo
[01:33] <nicoc> sup nosrednaekim
[01:34] <nicoc> hey, can you help me upgrading kubuntu dapper to edgy?
[01:34] <Jucato> !upgrade
[01:34] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> sure... just follow that link...^^^
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:35] <nicoc> ok :d
[01:35] <nicoc> but i don't want to upgrade trough internet, i have the cd of kubuntu edgy
[01:35] <Jucato> nicoc: unfortunately
[01:36] <Jucato> unless that's the Alternate Install CD, and not the Desktop/Live CD
[01:36] <nicoc> :(
[01:36] <crazy_penguin> Hello
[01:37] <nicoc> so i can't upgrade dapper to edgy with the live cd?
[01:37] <Jucato> nope
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> hello crazy_penguin
[01:37] <nicoc> let me check i think that i have the alternate cd
[01:37] <nicoc> hi crazy_penguin
[01:39] <kel3> hi
[01:40] <nicoc> Jucato: um, how can i know if i have the alternate cd? i already mount it.
[01:40] <kel3> anyone can help me?
[01:41] <voicu> can i resume a cmake?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> kel3: whats your problem?
[01:42] <voicu> i entered by mistake CTRL+C while compiling kdelibs and i was at 40%
[01:42] <Jucato> !anyone
[01:42] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:42] <Jucato> voicu: I think so. I think it will skip the parts it finished already
[01:42] <nicoc> nosrednaekim: i have the alternate cd, do you know how to upgrade from it?
[01:43] <nicoc> or Jucato, can you help me with tat?
[01:43] <nicoc> *that
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> no...I do not..never did it...
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> its probably an option init though
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> *in it
[01:44] <Jucato> hm... I'm not familiar with a CD upgrade...
[01:44] <voicu> jucato: yes it does, thanks, i was afraid to try it before i was sure
[01:45] <Jucato> (good luck btw)
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> would that be KDE4?
[01:45] <Tm_T> ?
[01:45] <voicu> yeah, thanks
[01:46] <voicu> nosrednaekim, me?
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> yes
[01:47] <voicu> ok, then 'yes, kde4' :D
[01:47] <voicu> i had a few problems but now it seems that it builds ok
[01:47] <voicu> only at 50% though... *fingers crossed*
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> I love cmake....it tells you how much is left
[01:48] <nicoc> Jucato: if i upgrade i will lost the drivers of my graphic driver? do you know?
[01:48] <voicu> yep, and it's more easy to edit... took me only a few searches and edits to make it find the stupid libungif
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> nicoc, I don't think you will lose your drivers, as long as you installed them from official repositories..
[01:55] <nicoc> nosrednaekim: ok \
[02:00] <HasratUSA> anyone knows how to properly install/run macromedia flash 8 under wine or anything in Edgy?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> HasratUSA: cause all you cn get now is flash 7?
[02:01] <HasratUSA> i'm not referring to the player
[02:01] <HasratUSA> what flash 7? flash 8 pro is already out
[02:01] <HasratUSA> and now they are working on CE
[02:02] <Irayo> I have three sound cards, how can I tell Kubuntu which one to use?
[02:07] <embrapa> How i do to install Gtk ?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: for what?
[02:07] <embrapa> for install softwares
[02:07] <embrapa> like mozilla firefox thuinderbird
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> just install one of them from the repositories
[02:08] <embrapa> gtk complains that dont have pango cairo and atk installed
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: just install thunderbird from adept
[02:08] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: dont work
[02:09] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i will send the message error
[02:09] <Irayo> Adept crashed and no package managers will load; how can I clear the lock on the repository?
[02:09] <embrapa> root@tenebra:/home/embrapa/firefox# cd firefox/
[02:09] <embrapa> root@tenebra:/home/embrapa/firefox/firefox# ./firefox
[02:09] <embrapa> (firefox-bin:10677): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:10] <chijin> why are you running firefox as root?
[02:10] <raffytaffy> i just got that 27+ package update ...phew...nothing broke
[02:10] <embrapa> yes
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[02:10] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:10] <embrapa> chijin: yes
[02:11] <embrapa> u can solve my problem ?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> umm... unless you are logged in as root... that won't work
[02:11] <chijin> embrapa: exit the root terminal and try to run it again
[02:12] <embrapa> how i run from kde?
[02:12] <chijin> embrapa: you can run konsole without root
[02:12] <embrapa> chijin: how ?
[02:13] <chijin> embrapa: choose konsole from the system menu under the k-menu
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> are you logged in as root in X?
[02:13] <embrapa> chijin: could not run the specified comand
[02:13] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: how i log in X?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: never mind
[02:14] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: why?
[02:15] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i think my user in kde dont have much privilegies
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: do "alt+f2"
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> and type konsole in there
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> so that you can go to your firefox directory
[02:15] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: done
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: it doesn't, but it DOES have permission to use your x disply, something root doesn't have
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> navigate to where you put firefox
[02:16] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: Works!!
[02:16] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: why works?
[02:16] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: strange..
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> because if you start a program as root and you are not logged in as root in X, it can't display the program
[02:17] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: how i put a link of firefox in my kubuntu desktop ?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> if you want to start a program requiring root priveldges you have to use kdesu <theprogram>
[02:18] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: now i undersant :D
[02:18] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: thunderbird...its the same?
[02:18] <chijin> embrapa: didn't you install firefox from the repos (with adept)?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> empraba: should be
[02:18] <chijin> i guess not, of it's located at your home dir
[02:18] <embrapa> let me see
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> he says adept keeps crashing on him
[02:19] <chijin> there's always the konsole option to replace adept, aptitude and apt-get
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> chijin: what?
[02:20] <chijin> nosrednaekim: if adept keeps crashing, i'd try apt-get or aptitude in konsole. wouldn't you?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> chijin: oh yeah...
[02:21] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: chijin thanks a lot
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> I didn't read your message right
[02:21] <embrapa> just one more question
[02:22] <embrapa> how i do to put a icon on my desktop
[02:22] <embrapa> of thunder and fire
[02:22] <embrapa> to just click
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: right click on your desktop
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> select add-> link to application
[02:22] <chijin> not add, create new :-)
[02:22] <chijin> at least in kde 3.5.6
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah..thanks
[02:23] <mart81> to transfer files between two computers, do i need a straight or a crossed cable? I forgot
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> same in 3.5.5....
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> mart81: crossed I beleive if you are directly connecting them without a switch
[02:24] <embrapa> let se
[02:24] <chijin> mart81: if there's a router between the two machines, it doesn't matter
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: you with us?
[02:24] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> did you do that?
[02:25] <mart81> nosrednaekim: thanks man, do i need some extra tools for it maybe?
[02:25] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: dont work...is the firefox.bin ?
[02:25] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: the comand?
[02:26] <chijin> embrapa: you need to find the firefox file in the firefox dir
[02:26] <embrapa> chijin: i find....
[02:26] <embrapa> chijin: is the firefox.bin ?
[02:26] <chijin> embrapa: should be just firefox
[02:26] <embrapa> chijin:
[02:27] <embrapa> chijin: ok!! thank you!
[02:27] <embrapa> chijin: works
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: in the tab "application" make the command whatever you ran from the command line, plus the path to it, i.e. /home/ebraba/firefox/<firefox command>"
[02:27] <chijin> embrapa: good :-)
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> good
[02:27] <embrapa> chijin nosrednaekim: can u teach me more things? u guys nice
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> what do you want to know?
[02:28] <embrapa> mp3s dont work
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: first of ll, we'd better get apt working...
[02:28] <embrapa> amarok...install the pluguins but
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> *all
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: does adept crash on you?
[02:28] <embrapa> get apt ? in konsole?
[02:29] <embrapa> i dont know what adpet means
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> no adept....the package manager
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> alt-f2 again and do "kdesu adept-manager"
[02:30] <embrapa> what password
[02:30] <chijin> your password
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> or rather "kdesu adept_manager"
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> don't run that first command, do the second...
[02:31] <voicu> how can i extract a password protected rar?
[02:31] <embrapa> nice ...adept manager opens
[02:32] <poningru> voicu: with unrar+the password
[02:32] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: and now ?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: ok, do do a "fetch updates"
[02:33] <chijin> updating the system won't install mp3 playback plugins. that has to be done separately
[02:34] <voicu> poningru, thanks
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> "fetch updates updates the packagelists...
[02:34] <embrapa> chijin: how i do that?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> its always good to do that first
[02:34] <chijin> embrapa: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:35] <embrapa> chijin: how i see ?
[02:35] <embrapa> chijin: i think is 6....
[02:35] <chijin> embrapa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> !version
[02:35] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:36] <embrapa> !version
[02:36] <embrapa> lsb_release -a ?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> yeah..... type that in a shel
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> or konsole
[02:36] <embrapa> 5.10
[02:36] <embrapa> 6.10
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> which one?
[02:36] <andrea> hi
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> hi andrea
[02:37] <andrea> any italian?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> !it
[02:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:37] <andrea> !it
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: 6.10 or 5.10?
[02:37] <embrapa> is the last one ? :D
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> oh..ok
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> !mp3
[02:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: read that first, if you have trouble, some back and we'll be glad to help
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> *come
[02:39] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: thanks you a lot...are u leaving ?
[02:39] <embrapa> ubotu: i will check this sites
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ubotu is a bot...
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[02:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:40] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: lol
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[02:40] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:41] <embrapa> nosrednaekim chijin: what player is easy to install and play mp3s files?
[02:41] <chijin> embrapa: i recommend amarok
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: amarok is the best
[02:41] <chijin> embrapa: you already have it installed
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> but to play mp3 files, you have to install libxine-extracodecs
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> !libxine-extracodecs
[02:41] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[02:42] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: how i get libxine-extracodecs
[02:42] <chijin> in my opinion the easiest way to install a single package is to fire up the konsole and type in 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs'
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> you still have adept open?
[02:42] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> but I think you have to enable the multiverse enabled chijin
[02:42] <embrapa> chijin: ok
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> embraba, in adept, go to settings-> manage repositories
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> sorry...view->manage repositories
[02:44] <embrapa> n done
[02:44] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: done
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> I'm bad today....
[02:44] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: no its fine...i open the manage repositories and now
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[02:45] <embrapa> chijin: it returns me a message of error that another program is using the file.s...i think is the adept manager
[02:45] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i add a new repository ?
[02:45] <chijin> embrapa: you're right. you can't use both at the same time
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> right click on any repository that is preceded by a "#" and enable it...
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> I think the repository "multiverse" is already in it...
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> just disabled
[02:47] <nicoc> how can i check wich version of kubuntu i have?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> maybe not.... does any of the "components" list "multiverse"?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> !version
[02:47] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:48] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: im searching
[02:49] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: no repositorys call multiverse
[02:49] <nicoc> ry
[02:49] <nicoc> ty
[02:49] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: just universe
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> embrapa: ok
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> then we'll add a repository...
[02:50] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: called multiverse?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> paste this into the new repository line and add it...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> ^^^paste that line
[02:51] <embrapa> comment multiverse?
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> comment?
[02:52] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: my english is porr
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> just add that repository and make sure none of that line is commented
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> no problem...
[02:52] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: poor....i understand
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> ok... did you do it?
[02:53] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: but it dont work....i paste one frase...he showme another
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> what phrase does it show you?
[02:54] <Ryiel> !partition
[02:54] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:54] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: now works
[02:54] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: enable
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> ok.. good....
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> press the "fetch updates" button
[02:54] <reagleBRKLN> does this url krash anyone's else's konq? http://www.virtualization.info/
[02:55] <Ryiel> !gparted
[02:55] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program.   At the very least I informed them that we wanted information of any driver support for linunx in the future.
[03:05] <pollyo> Is there currently any website that tracks people who are calling companies inquiring about linux drivers?
[03:07] <ndazza> so if fdisk -l doesn't return anything, the kernel probably isn't seeing my drives
[03:08] <ndazza> my mobo is nforce4 based, which i think means i need the sata_nv module loaded (it was loaded in breezy)
[03:09] <jack_> hi, i've got the problem that xor causes 98%cpu load when i am idle and that kde starts always with a session (incl.openoffice writer and opera) but its not the last one i was using, even though i configured start with last used session in kcontrol.thanks!
[03:09] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: sorry
[03:09] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i lost my conectio
[03:09] <ndazza> lsmod | grep sata_nv shows me the module is loaded, so i should see my drives
[03:09] <ndazza> what can i do next?
[03:09] <chijin> ndazza: my nforce4 based mobo with sata drives is working just fine under feisty
[03:10] <embrapa> nosrednaekim: i press fech updats
[03:10] <ndazza> chijin: mine is a mess. ethernet doesn't work, mouse doesn't work, sata controllers don't work...
[03:10] <ndazza> chijin: even the ttys are messed up
[03:13] <ndazza> chijin: do you use noapic by any chance?
[03:13] <chijin> ndazza: nope
[03:14] <ndazza> chijin: have any other distros broken for you? most won't even boot for me
[03:14] <ndazza> chijin: knoppix is the only other thing that i've found that will boot, and i have the exact same symptoms
[03:14] <embrapa> chijin: your amarok plays mp3?
[03:15] <chijin> ndazza: i haven't tried any other than ubuntu with this, but dapper, edgy and feisty all boot just fine and nforce4 works right out of the box
[03:15] <chijin> embrapa: of course
[03:15] <embrapa> chijin: why my not ?
[03:15] <embrapa> chijin: what i have to do ?
[03:15] <chijin> embrapa: what does it say?
[03:15] <ndazza> !nonfree
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <embrapa> chijin: when i open a mp3 file....it ask me ..if i want to install mp3 suport...
[03:16] <embrapa> chijin: i click yes...and later,,,a multiverse....
[03:16] <embrapa> chijin: it installl and i restar my amarok....and he ask me the same questionz
[03:16] <elkahi> hi every body
[03:16] <chijin> embrapa: did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[03:17] <embrapa> chijin: how i make?
[03:17] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> what the best OS?
[03:17] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> pls tell to me
[03:17] <voicu> alongcalypse: that's a very dangerous question, especially on channels like this :D
[03:17] <elkahi> I can't have sound from my speakers
[03:18] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> heheh
[03:18] <chijin> embrapa: i already gave you an example how to do it
[03:18] <jack_> hi Ooffice and opera start even though i dont use them and they are not assigned to the autostart anymore??
[03:18] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> that's why la i'm asking here :P
[03:18] <jack_> can anyone help?
[03:18] <voicu> alonacalypse: you should use whatever you need and suits you best. i switched to kubuntu more than half an year ago and i use it daily
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> oic..
[03:19] <jack_> and how do i assign rootrights to the firestarter that it doesnt ask for the password?
[03:19] <jack_> thanks
[03:19] <voicu> yet, i still use windows and other systems. windows for games, bsd for learning bsd and maybe switching sometime
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> so how to download kubuntu?
[03:19] <afonic> aLoNgCaLyPsE, best OS here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> have any website
[03:19] <afonic> :P
[03:19] <voicu> alongcalypse: www.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> ok
[03:19] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> tq
[03:20] <voicu> i suggest trying kubuntu as it uses kde
[03:20] <voicu> ubuntu uses gnome which, in my opinion, is limited
[03:20] <voicu> *more limited :D
[03:20] <embrapa> chijin: i done the download if the libxine-extracodecs ...
[03:21] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> whom in here master of linux
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: how did you do it?
[03:21] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> can teach me
[03:21] <embrapa> chijin: is a deb file....how i install it ?
[03:21] <embrapa> chijin: in a site
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: do not download the deb file :D
[03:21] <embrapa> chijin: why?
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: there are much easier ways
[03:21] <voicu> embrapa: sudo dpkg -i file.deb, or you could enable multiverse and apt-get it
[03:21] <chijin> embrapa: open konsole, type in 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs'
[03:23] <jack_> can anyone help with an issue?
[03:23] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> i think want use xandros
[03:23] <jack_> xorg suddenly uses 98%cpu load
[03:23] <pollyo> voicu: I am not very familiar with gnome.  How do you see it as limited?
[03:24] <chijin> pollyo: less options
[03:24] <voicu> pollyo: comparing it to kde, i think kde is more configurable
[03:24] <voicu> yeah, that
[03:24] <chijin> jack_: some program has probably crashed. save your documents and restart X
[03:25] <voicu> also kde seems to have more features
[03:25] <embrapa> libxine-extracodecs depende de libxine-main1; porm:
[03:25] <embrapa>   O pacote libxine-main1 no est instalado.
[03:25] <embrapa> chijin: return me this erro
[03:25] <chijin> embrapa: you should install libxine-main1 as well
[03:25] <embrapa> chijin: lol;....how is dificult
[03:26] <voicu> pollyo: this is an evil statement: but i can't stop thinking that gnome tries to copy windows so that it will be easier for users to switch to linux
[03:26] <chijin> embrapa: it's not difficult. actually you should probably try running 'sudo aptitude install amarok', it should install the xine-engine as well
[03:26] <pollyo> chijin:++++++
[03:26] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> someone can teach me about xandros
[03:26] <pollyo> chijin: My nephew is trying to type on the keyboard. LOL
[03:26] <chijin> pollyo: :D
[03:26] <embrapa> chijin: kubunt already installed amarok
[03:26] <voicu> alongcalypse: #xandros ?
[03:27] <pollyo> chijin: I actually do not think that is such a bad thing.
[03:27] <pollyo> chijin: Some people say that about kde as well.
[03:27] <aLoNgCaLyPsE> no have ppl
[03:27] <chijin> embrapa: well i guess you're still missing the xine engine for some reason. to 'sudo aptitude install libxine-main1'
[03:28] <pollyo> chijin: I think the main thing we need to see inorder to have more people switch to linux is better driver support for devices.
[03:28] <pollyo> chijin: When the day you can go out and purchase a new printer that comes with a linux driver more people will switch to linux.
[03:29] <chijin> pollyo: i agree. luckily i haven't had any hardware issues with ubuntu yet, even though i've run it with 3-4 different set of hardware
[03:30] <embrapa> chijin: when i do the comand sudo aptitude...dont works....but when i download the file....it install
[03:30] <chijin> embrapa: then you don't have the right repositories enabled
[03:30] <voicu> alongcalypse: don't know what to say. i'm unfamiliar with xandros. all i can do is suggest (k)ubuntu as it has a very big community => good support
[03:31] <pollyo> chijin: I had my uncle sold on linux until we attempted to get his lexmark X6170 working with it.
[03:31] <embrapa> chijin: i think...i dont have repositorys
[03:31] <jack_> chijin: IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE TWO USERS LOGGED in sorry. can i do restartx as a command or how is this done?
[03:31] <pollyo> chijin: No driver support so no deal.
[03:32] <voicu> embrapa: repositories are enabled in the file /etc/apt/sources.list, you have to open it as an admin. ALT+F2 and write 'kdesu kate'
[03:32] <pollyo> Does anyone know of a distro or install package that simply setsup a computer to remote login and run applicatons in xwindows accross a network?
[03:33] <voicu> pollyo: a friend of mine apparently can do that with freebsd, not 100% sure though
[03:34] <NiceGuyUK> anyone know the name of the utility that allows you to see jpeg images in network packages on your subnet?
[03:34] <voicu> pollyo: also, i'm not sure what servers (client Xs) he can connect to
[03:34] <embrapa> voicu: now i put what repository :?
[03:35] <chijin> pollyo: you could try a driver for some other model and see what happens.. http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Printing/Q_21527531.html
[03:35] <embrapa> voicu: what means feach updates?
[03:35] <nicoc> hello all
[03:35] <voicu> embrapa: delete the '#' character before the lines that look something like 'deb ... multiverse' 'deb... universe'
[03:35] <ndazza> pollyo: ssh will do remote X nicely
[03:36] <nicoc> im upgrading kubuntu dapper to kubuntu edgy, im following the steps in here - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade -
[03:36] <dickmc> I am looking to add my HP psc2110 to OpenOffice but I can't get root access in terminal.  What's up with that??
[03:36] <voicu> embrapa: feach?
[03:36] <nicoc> my question is.. after doing the - apt-get -u dist-upgrade - should i move on to the next step??
[03:37] <nicoc> i mean.. i download all the packages and should i install it now? :s
[03:37] <NiceGuyUK> nicoc : distupgrade should download and install all from the same command
[03:38] <pollyo> chijin: Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[03:38] <nicoc> NiceGuyUK: oh great, i'll wait dist-upgrade to finish
[03:38] <embrapa> voicu: done
[03:38] <embrapa> voicu: and now ?
[03:38] <voicu> embrapa: save, and run in a terminal 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:38] <embrapa> voicu: ok
[03:38] <voicu> embrapa: that will download a list of packages from the net
[03:39] <voicu> embrapa: after that you can 'sudo apt-get install' almost any linux program you encounter on the net
[03:39] <embrapa> voicu: conection refused
[03:40] <embrapa> voicu: show some errors...and dont download anything
[03:40] <voicu> embrapa: go to paste.ubuntu-nl.org and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to see
[03:40] <embrapa> voicu: connect (111 Connection refused)
[03:41] <embrapa> voicu: ok
[03:41] <voicu> embrapa: after that give me the link the site provides you
[03:42] <jack_> with which command do i check who is currently logged in on the computer and how do i restart the x?
[03:42] <jack_> thanks
[03:42] <NiceGuyUK> jack : the command is "who"
[03:42] <NiceGuyUK> jack : or you can use "w"
[03:42] <NiceGuyUK> jack : restart X with CTRL-ALt-BACKSPACE
[03:43] <voicu> jack_: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE but it will kill everything
[03:43] <jack_> NiceGuyUK: ok, ah just loggin out then?
[03:43] <voicu> log out first
[03:43] <embrapa> voicu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12501/
[03:43] <jack_> ctrl+alt+backspace logs me out? voicu NiceGuyUK
[03:44] <NiceGuyUK> jack L yes
[03:44] <voicu> something like that
[03:44] <voicu> you should log out nicely then ctrl+alt+back
[03:45] <jack_> voicu: how do i logout nicely? i usually use ctrl alt backspace, then i am at the loginscreen again, is this not so good to do?
[03:45] <voicu> jack_: kde won't save the session and clean some stuff
[03:45] <voicu> i meant to log out from the button in kde
[03:46] <voicu> the shortcut is good too
[03:46] <jack_> voicu: ok, whats the right command instead of the button?
[03:46] <voicu> i don't know a command, click the K button and log out...
[03:46] <jack_> so button logout then ctrl alt backspace? voicu
[03:46] <voicu> yeah
[03:46] <BluesKaj> "Morning All :)
[03:46] <jack_> voicu: thnaks
[03:47] <embrapa> voicu: wwhy my sudo apt-get update...dont works ?
[03:47] <voicu> embrapa: seems it cannot connect at all
[03:47] <voicu> maybe the servers are down?
[03:47] <embrapa> voicu: u can teste?
[03:48] <voicu> try ping br.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <embrapa> voicu: did u see ? the log ?
[03:48] <voicu> yes
[03:49] <voicu> embrapa: do you get any errors?
[03:49] <embrapa> voicu: it works
[03:49] <voicu> then try apt-get update again
[03:49] <embrapa> same erro
[03:49] <chijin> paste your sources.list
[03:50] <chijin> into the pastebin
[03:50] <embrapa> chijin: ok
[03:50] <fr0nk> hey :)
[03:50] <voicu> yeah, btw, that's what i wanted at first :), forgot myselft
[03:50] <fr0nk> i'm using kubuntu since yesterday and i'm deeply impressed :D
[03:50] <voicu> hehe
[03:51] <voicu> we are impressed of your impression
[03:51] <fr0nk> but there are several questions left ;)
[03:51] <chijin> i'm impressed of our impression of your impression
[03:51] <fr0nk> how can i turn off the magnification of windows when using the beryl cube?
[03:51] <fr0nk> they come to me when pressing the switch keys
[03:51] <embrapa> chijin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12503/
[03:51] <fr0nk> that annoys me kind of ;)
[03:52] <fr0nk> i've searched the beryl options and documentation but didn't find anything suitable
[03:52] <voicu> embrapa: seems all right
[03:52] <voicu> very weird
[03:52] <fr0nk> maybe i clicked the options and didn't remember ;)
[03:52] <embrapa> voicu: coube be firewall ?
[03:52] <embrapa> voicu: proxy?
[03:53] <voicu> embrapa: do you have a firewall?
[03:53] <embrapa> chijin: im in lan
[03:53] <embrapa> voicu: in a private network
[03:54] <voicu> embrapa: apt-get uses http to download so it you wouldn't be able to open webpages if it were blocked
[03:54] <embrapa> voicu: but it doesnt
[03:55] <voicu> embrapa: you can open webpages right?
[03:55] <embrapa> How Dificult is listean a song in kubuntu =[[
[03:55] <embrapa> voicu: yes
[03:56] <voicu> embrapa: if you installed libxine-extracodecs with dpkg than you can listen songs already
[03:56] <embrapa> voicu: i use proxy ....cache port 3128
[03:56] <embrapa> on settings of firefox...
[03:56] <voicu> embrapa: the stuff with repositories is needed for the future in case you want to install other stuff
[03:56] <voicu> embrapa: oh
[03:57] <embrapa> voicu: but the sourcelist...are all right correcly?
[03:57] <voicu> yes
[03:57] <embrapa> voicu:  so ? i have to download the other things...and install by sudo apt -i ...deb?
[03:58] <embrapa> voicu: when i do that...show many conflicts
[03:58] <embrapa> voicu: and the os ask me if it remove another packages
[03:59] <voicu> embrapa: try using sudo aptitude update
[03:59] <embrapa> voicu: same erros =[[
[03:59] <voicu> embrapa: the conflicts appear because of incomplete updates
[03:59] <voicu> i think
[04:00] <voicu> the problem should be solved if you instruct apt-get to use the proxy
[04:00] <voicu> don't know how yet
[04:00] <embrapa> voicu: =[[
[04:00] <embrapa> voicu: if i change this lines...
[04:00] <embrapa> deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[04:00] <embrapa> deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[04:01] <embrapa> voicu: and put the lines that you have in yours...
[04:02] <Arwen> seriously, are the servers short of bandwidth? I get like 50k/s all the time
[04:02] <fr0nk> could please somebody help me with the "when cube avtivated all windows zoom" problem? :D
[04:02] <voicu> well change 'br' into 'ro' or some other country code
[04:02] <voicu> embrapa
[04:02] <embrapa> voicu: ro ? is from ?
[04:02] <fr0nk> romania?
[04:02] <voicu> embrapa: romania
[04:02] <embrapa> voicu: nice...kubuntu are dissiminating
[04:03] <embrapa> =D
[04:03] <voicu> arwen: at least romanian servers aren't full but don't tell anyone :D
[04:03] <Arwen> voicu, Canonical needs to buy a new line....
[04:05] <aaroncampbell_> I'm having problems with the nVidia drivers for my 8800GTS.  Any idea what would cause this output from nvidia-settings: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12469/
[04:05] <Arwen> aaroncampbell_, you seriously have an 8800? why?
[04:06] <aaroncampbell_> Why not?  And what's the point of a question like that?  Who cares WHY...I just want it to work
[04:06] <voicu> aaroncampbell: the last two errors are because of the stylus and other input devices that are put by default in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the first ones probably because some options your card doesn't support
[04:07] <aaroncampbell_> voicu: any ideas how to fix it?
[04:08] <voicu> aaroncampbell: just comment out the unused input devices in the ServerLayout section of xorg.conf. for the nvidia related stuff i can't say. i'm using a radeon
[04:10] <voicu> question: after compiling qt, strigi, kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase i should be able to use kde4, right?
[04:11] <Jucato> voicu: #kde4-devel :)
[04:11] <voicu> oh, right
[04:12] <embrapa> voicu: i will lunch.... i lost my patiene
[04:12] <voicu> anyway, that's for later, i probably have a good 1h of compiling left :(
[04:13] <embrapa> voicu: if i dont install a simple mp3 in kubuntu...i will have headcache in future