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An unpronounceable euphemism of "you just got owned". "


[03:31] <johndropper> I am being touched by Ubuntu touch
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> me too
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> its sweet isnt it
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> dev guys did the greatest job
[03:32] <johndropper> No apps
[03:32] <MistaMike> got screenies?
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> MistaMike: wanna see the new touch video?
[03:33] <MistaMike> sure :-)
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> holdon
[03:33] <MistaMike> sure thing
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoFsLuBcOPg
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> thats how it looks like
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> MistaMike: its still not perfect, but improved alot from previous version
[03:40] <MistaMike> lotuspsychje: looks a bit laggy, overall nice UI. Different, so I like.
[03:41] <johndropper> Penis
[03:41] <johndropper> Lol
[03:41] <johndropper> Please
[03:41] <johndropper> Typo
[03:41] <MistaMike> lol
[03:41] <johndropper> I didn't see lag
[03:41] <MistaMike> Just looks a bit slow to me .-. maybe it's the video..
[03:42] <johndropper> I use iphone but this would be cool if more apps wee available
[03:42] <johndropper> Seems like not enough apps
[03:43] <MistaMike> I use an iPhone myself, but this is better than those bloated android version on phones like Samsung and HTC
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> i agree
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> android still runs smoother on the nexus7
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> but i switched to touch just for the security
[03:46] <MistaMike> I don't have any nexus products, I haven't used android since having an S3, but I cracked 2, and crashed another 2. So I just gave up on them.
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> that google play store is a nightmare
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> playground for malicious apps
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> im so glad it run touch now
[03:50] <MistaMike> Truth. Android is just going downhill. Most of the phones are just idk, poorly made in my opinion. Except the sexy HTC phones.
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> well im really curious how the world will respond on those 2 ubuntu phones that will launch later
[03:51] <MistaMike> Oh please, like crazy. It'll spread like wildfire.
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> i really hope so
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> that way it will stimulate to improve touch on any device
[03:53] <MistaMike> I wouldn't see why not? They're nice UI, and Ubuntu itself is already popular. many will want their phones
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> true
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> i have ubuntu running everywhere now :p
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> netbook, tablet desktop
[03:53] <MistaMike> I use Mac OS X daily, but I have ubuntu on a laptop under my couch..
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> nicely
[03:56] <verdeP> under my couch....lol
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> better then under pillow
[03:56] <verdeP> I'm still a mac user for desktop use, but I do like the idea of ubuntu on phone
[03:57] <MistaMike> lol it used to be my living room laptop, but I switched that with a mac mini lol
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> i like the 'running apps' slide mechanism on touch
[03:57] <MistaMike> so now it's just a movie server under my bed
[05:05] <chunkyhead> ubuntu touch is just for nexus devices?
[05:15] <popassy> can android apps be ported to ubuntu-touch
[05:26] <bact> popassy: depends on your definition of ported
[05:26] <bact> popassy: sailfish (another linux mobile os) supports android apps by licensing myriak's alien dalvik
[05:27] <bact> but otherwise I'd imagine it would be up to the original developer
[05:50] <popassy> is there anyone i can anyone i can contact to install ubuntu touch on moto g?
[05:51] <popassy> there is no one assigned to moto g, as far as this page reflects: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:51] <popassy> bact: ^
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <HiMax> hello, Do the ubuntu phone come with the webkit engine for internet rendering ?
[07:08] <njr> Hi, I'm trying to crosscompile my application for Ubuntu Touch, and I'm wondering what the best way of getting the required libraries (libasound2 ...) to cross compile against is. I'm using the Nexus 7. Chroot.
[07:13] <nishantjr> Hi, I'm trying to cross-compile my application onto the Nexus7. Whats the easiest way to get the libraries I depend on?
[07:13] <dpm> nishantjr, how are you cross-compiling, are you using Qt Creator?
[07:14] <justCarakas> is there a way to switch from 14.04 devel to 14.10 devel ?
[07:15] <nishantjr> No, I'm using the CLI, Setting CC, CXX and LD in the environment, --host and --build in ./configure. The app is a CLI only.
[07:17] <tvoss> HiMax, dbarth is your friend :)
[07:17] <tvoss> dbarth, ^
[07:20] <nishantjr> @dpm Will using QT Creator simplify building the app? It's CLI only and has no QT deps
[07:20] <dpm> nishantjr, what kind of phone app is CLI only?
[07:21] <dpm> what does it do?
[07:21] <dpm> will it run confined in a click package?
[07:23] <HiMax> tvoss: i do not know of the dbarth system
[07:23] <nishantjr> dpm, We're not planning on putting this up on the store. Just for our own use. It makes SIP calls.
[07:23] <tvoss> HiMax, not a system, a person :) dbarth is responsible for webapps :)
[07:24] <HiMax> tvoss: ok ty
[07:25] <dpm> nishantjr, ok, gotcha. Then you might need to wait for someone else to help you set up an armhf chroot on the command line to do your cross-compilation, I generally do it using Qt Creator and it sets things up for me
[07:27] <tvoss> nishantjr, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild might get you started
[07:27] <nishantjr> @dpm, OK, thanks for your time. Would debootstrap be the way to go
[07:28] <dpm> nishantjr, I'm not sure. Check out the link tvoss just pasted for you ^
[07:29] <dbarth> HiMax: hi there, i'm a person indeed ;)
[07:29]  * dbarth takes off his robot disguise
[07:30] <dbarth> HiMax: so we ship oxide now, which is a webkit-based, chromium derivative rendering engine
[07:30] <nishantjr> tvoss, dpm Thanks!
[07:30] <dbarth> HiMax: it gets high marks on html5test.com now
[07:32] <HiMax> dbarth: aslong as its the webkit engine is in the core i will like it :) Thanks for the information.
[07:37] <wajid> hi
[07:37] <wajid> im install ubuntu touch 14.04 on ubuntu pc
[07:38] <wajid> package downloading is very slow
[07:38] <wajid> anyone help me
[07:44] <wajid> how to download mako zip file for ubuntu touch 14.04
[07:45] <RAOF> wajid: install ubuntu-device-flash, run ubuntu-device-flash -d mako --download-only?
[07:46] <wajid> on ubuntu terminal give a slow speed
[07:47] <wajid> 5 to 10 kbps download speed
[07:49] <RAOF> It's possible that the servers are still a bit overloaded with the 14.04 release?
[07:50] <wajid> ok can i install ubuntu touch 14.04 release cwm recovery
[07:51] <RAOF> You'd also be able to download bits from system-image.ubuntu.com directly, but it's much easier to just let ubuntu-device-flash do the work ;)
[08:31] <littlebird> Hi
[08:31] <littlebird> I have problems with accessing utorrent through localhost:8080
[08:31] <littlebird> is there somebody who can help me with this?
[08:32] <littlebird> Watch out though I am just starting to use linux
[09:30] <ogra_> Saviq, mzanetti wrt bug 1309915 i assume thats specific to webapps then
[09:31] <mzanetti> ogra_: just recompiling some stuff in debug mode to find out more.
[09:31] <ogra_> try using a webapp that plays a movie or radio (i'm usually using laut.fm to test audio stuff in webapps)
[09:31] <mzanetti> ack
[09:31] <ogra_> i think the actual prob is that we dont SIGSTOP multithreaded apps
[09:42] <harry_> hi
[09:42] <harry_> Can somebody help me with using localhost:8080
[09:48] <ogra_> harry_, on your phone ?
[09:49] <harry_> no
[09:49] <harry_> on my laptop
[09:49] <ogra_> then please go to #ubuntu ...
[09:49] <harry_> I want to access utorrent
[09:49] <harry_> Aaah
[09:49] <harry_> ok thanks
[09:49] <ogra_> :)
[10:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, FWIW, media playback isn't meant to stop when suspending an app... it's meant to work in the background
[10:23] <Saviq> even now it happens out of process through stagefright
[10:23] <Saviq> and later - through mediahub
[10:25] <Saviq> ogra_, FYI:
 mzanetti, FWIW, media playback isn't meant to stop when suspending an app... it's meant to work in the background
 even now it happens out of process through stagefright
[10:25] <Saviq>  and later - through mediahub
[10:25] <ogra_> Saviq, err
[10:25] <ogra_> the app is supposed to be stopped, right
[10:26] <Saviq> app, yes, but you don't want music playback from it to stop, if possible, for example
[10:26] <Saviq> but yeah, I'm assuming that all media playback goes through gstreamer + stagefright, which might not be the case
[10:26] <ogra_> music playback is just the indicator to show the app does not stop if it is in the foreground
[10:26] <ogra_> that bug has nothing to do with playback indeed :)
[10:27] <Saviq> ogra_, I don't agree necessarily :D
[10:27] <Saviq> ogra_, stopping the foreground app should not (might not already) stop playback
[10:27] <ogra_> if you switch apps, the playback stops after a few seconds
[10:27] <ogra_> if you foreground it again it picks up exactly where it stopped
[10:27] <Saviq> ogra_, ok, that probably means it's playing in process
[10:27] <ogra_> if the app is in foreground and you press the power button, the app goes on playing
[10:28] <Saviq> ogra_, and yes, it should stop indeed
[10:28] <ogra_> but starts to stutter since the system apparently tries to suspend but cant
[10:28] <ogra_> right, ignore the playback :)
[10:28] <ogra_> thats just an easy to use indicator here
[10:28] <Saviq> kk
[10:28] <ogra_> i know media-hub is supposed to take that
[10:29] <Saviq> `ps aux` is a better indicator IMO ;)
[10:29] <ogra_> heh, but that means i need to be connected which will prevent the phone from suspend
[10:29] <ogra_> adbd kepps it up forcefully
[10:29] <Saviq> but yeah, it doesn't stop
[10:29] <ogra_> so trying to get suspend data through it is impossible
[10:30] <Saviq> status is S all the time
[10:30] <Saviq> yup confirmed
[10:30] <ogra_> thanks :)
[10:30] <ogra_> i bet its just a copy/paste job mostly ... to make it do the same as if the app gets backgrounded
[10:31] <Saviq> ogra_, actually no, read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1309915/comments/4
[10:31] <Saviq> ogra_, will get better with the non-blocking mir
[10:31] <ogra_> aha !
[10:32] <Saviq> ogra_, if you lock the phone and then power it back on without unlocking, it should stop playback
[10:32] <Saviq> yup
[10:32] <ogra_> confirmed
[10:33] <ogra_> stops immediately
[10:33] <ogra_> hmm
[10:33] <ogra_> but only one time
[10:33] <ogra_> ah, no, just takes a second longer the second time
[10:34] <Saviq> yeah, it shouldn't stop immediately, really
[10:34] <Saviq> since it has a grace period of a few secs
[10:34] <ogra_> the first time it does
[10:35] <ogra_> well, did for me
[10:36]  * Saviq marked dupe
[10:36] <ogra_> ++
[10:36] <ogra_> thanks !
[10:43] <mandel> jamesh, are you around? I have some small questions on do-dbus and how I can write some tests withit
[11:27] <pete-woods> Chipaca: hi, just wanted to ask about push notifications. Is there a plan to allow local (trusted) services to produce them?
[11:28] <pete-woods> e.g. something like the mediascanner saying "new music found", that sorta thing
[11:28] <Chipaca> pete-woods: why would a local app service want to do that?
[11:28] <Chipaca> pete-woods: I mean, why not pop up the notification?
[11:29] <pete-woods> Chipaca: I guess I saw this as a central place for finding out about events?
[11:29] <Chipaca> pete-woods: I don't think we've discussed using the push notifications client as the clearing house for all notifications on the client, no
[11:29] <ogra_> how about personal servers ... i.e. could my IMAP server send one to me if new mail arrives ?
[11:29] <Chipaca> ogra_: yes, it could
[11:29] <ogra_> wow
[11:29] <ogra_> thats cool
[11:29] <Chipaca> ogra_: on my TODO i have making a service that makes it as easy as you're now imaging it to be (hint: it isn't)
[11:30] <ogra_> heh, k
[11:30] <Chipaca> it's a personal todo, that one, fwiw
[11:30] <ogra_> i'm not in a hurry :)
[11:30] <pete-woods> Chipaca: okay, so at the moment, it's a bit of a free for all regarding notifications then?
[11:30] <Chipaca> you need something talking to your imap server and to the push server. If you're big, you do that yourself; if you're little, it's probably too much effort :)
[11:30] <pete-woods> that's fine, just wanted to check the plan really
[11:30] <Chipaca> pete-woods: currently it's a mess
[11:31] <Chipaca> pete-woods: and I can understand not wanting to get into that
[11:31] <Chipaca> pete-woods: and the push client will have a local dbus api to "inject" notifications, for testing & qa
[11:31] <Chipaca> pete-woods: and a priviliged (non-sandboxed) app could talk to that dbus api
[11:31] <pete-woods> okay, but not for something I might have been tempted to use it for then
[11:31] <Chipaca> pete-woods: but ... :)
[11:31] <Chipaca> right
[11:32] <Chipaca> pete-woods: OTOH, looking at all the spectrum of notifications, it would be really nice to have a single api for them all
[11:32] <pete-woods> Chipaca: basically at the minute we have a not well publicised DBus API in the shell that just takes a string
[11:32] <Chipaca> and maybe that's the push client? or the push client is a client of that api
[11:32] <Chipaca> pete-woods: we have as many apis as we have notification types
[11:32] <Chipaca> and maybe a couple more, for fun
[11:33] <pete-woods> yeah, seems that way
[11:33] <pete-woods> I guess I just naively saw the push client as a unified message bus for simple notifications
[11:41] <pete-woods> Chipaca: just to carry this on, my concern is that, say we want to know when e.g. a click package is installed, I think it'd be reasonable if the click guys were upset if I asked them to talk to my random DBus interface
[11:41] <pete-woods> seems like they should be pushing a notification onto something like the push client
[11:42] <Chipaca> pete-woods: I agree that that is reasonable
[12:49] <daker> hi, i am getting a "Download Error" message while trying to install an app
[12:51] <daker> rebooted, it works again
[12:59] <Graknol> ogra_, when doing this command: ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --bootstrap --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu" is it possible to retrieve the image or zip file and install it through MultiROM?
[12:59] <ogra_> Graknol, Tassadar should know, he maintains multirom as well as that server :)
[13:00] <Graknol> k :)
[13:00] <Tassadar> use the android app to install ubuntu to multirom
[13:00] <Graknol> will it work with N5?
[13:00] <Tassadar> yeah
[13:01] <Graknol> Coool :D
[13:01] <Graknol> <3 you Tassadar
[13:01] <Tassadar> ...should I be afraid? ^^
[13:02] <Graknol> In a few days you'll see me outside of your house >:)
[13:03] <Graknol> Now, the first thing im gonna do is make a Flappy Bird clone, you're welcome world ]:}
[13:33] <popey> tsdgeos: got a moment to join us in #ubuntu-touch-meeting ?
[13:46] <Graknol> I cannot find the click app store on 303, i tried searching the apps scope too, is it in a newer version?
[13:46] <Tassadar> there is no store, you just search for the app name, I think
[13:46] <Graknol> I tried that, but nothing pops up :/
[13:47] <pmcgowan> Graknol, do you see your local apps?
[13:47] <Graknol> yeah
[13:47] <Graknol> well, only in the sidebare
[13:47] <Graknol> sidebar*
[13:47] <ogra_> GRRR !
[13:47] <pmcgowan> not in the scope called Apps?
[13:47] <Graknol> only recent
[13:47] <pmcgowan> hmm
[13:48] <Graknol> i did install the trusty not the trusty-devel
[13:48] <ogra_> has anyone else have his backspace key go stuck on the OSK ?
[13:48] <pmcgowan> maybe the scope crashed
[13:48] <Graknol> trusty-proposed*
[13:48] <pmcgowan> ogra_, have not seen that
[13:48] <Graknol> should i have the proposed one?
[13:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, there's a bug for that even
[13:49]  * ogra_ just typed a G+ comment ... which is really really painful and takes 10x longer than on android, just to have the backspace key go stuck in the end and delete *all* the text that took me 10min to type
[13:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, ah, good
[13:49] <pmcgowan> Graknol, is your clickscope running?
[13:49] <Graknol> dont think so, rebooting now
[13:50] <Graknol> REBOOT WORKS :D
[13:50] <pmcgowan> yeah thats bad
[13:50] <Graknol> and now it's MUCH smoother :)=
[13:50] <pmcgowan> Graknol, did you enable wifi after you booted last?
[13:50] <pmcgowan> or was it first boot?
[13:50] <Graknol> it was first boot
[13:50] <pmcgowan> yeah
[13:50] <Graknol> enabled wifi
[13:50] <Graknol> went around, then rebooted now
[13:50] <pmcgowan> yep seen that, will check the bug list
[14:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: oh, that type of stuck; no, no bug for that
[14:05] <ogra_> yeah, i dont mean the popping up special chars that dont collapse
[14:16] <gwilym> Hello everyone. How long does the initial bootup take? The ubuntu-device-flash command finished running about 3 minutes ago, and the ubuntu circle of friends is just spinning round in circles...
[14:17] <gwilym> its just gone into recovery
[14:20] <ogra_> gwilym, it will then reboot eventually ...
[14:20] <ogra_> just be patient :)
[14:20] <gwilym> ogra_ not sure if I have to do anything at this point. Its gone into recovery, do I hit reboot? Or something else?
[14:22] <ogra_> you dont do anything
[14:23] <ogra_> only watch the terminal
[14:23] <ogra_> ignore whats on the device
[14:24] <gwilym> the terminal command finished running :)
[14:25] <ogra_> without errors ?
[14:25] <gwilym> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7322698/
[14:25] <gwilym> nope
[14:25] <ogra_> that looks fine
[14:25] <ogra_> theoretically your device should reboot into the new system after the spinning ubuntu logo
[14:25] <gwilym> it went into recovery though...
[14:26] <ogra_> try rebooting it by hand and see
[14:26] <gwilym> I've selected reboot, and it says, 'rom may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?'
[14:26] <gwilym> (nexus 7)
[14:26] <ogra_> just select something
[14:27] <gwilym> I'll go with no
[14:27] <ogra_> doesnt matter what, its a no-op
[14:27] <gwilym> thanks :), now lets see what happens
[14:28] <gwilym> still showing Google with the unlocked padlock below it
[14:31] <ogra_> give it a bit, the first boot takes a bit longer since it needs to set up some stuff
[14:31] <ogra_> it should eventually turn black and then show the UI
[14:31] <ogra_> if not, your flashing failed for some reason
[14:31] <gwilym> what to do if that's the case?
[14:32] <ogra_> first of all check the logs in /cache/recovery ...
[14:33] <gwilym> how to get to that?  Got root as well
[14:36] <ogra_> well, then check for logs in /cache/recovery
[14:36] <gwilym> the /cache directory doesn't exist...
[14:37] <gwilym> find -name cache -type d returns no hits
[14:37] <ogra_> thats weird
[14:38] <gwilym> find -name ubuntu returns nothing...
[14:38] <ogra_> are you sure you are in a booted system and not in the initrd ?
[14:38] <gwilym> how can I tell?
[14:38] <ogra_> the prompt should
[14:38] <ogra_> does it say "ubuntu-phablet" ?
[14:38] <gwilym> just a #
[14:39] <ogra_> yeah, that means you ended up in the initrd ... weird
[14:40] <ogra_> looks like the rootfs wasnt extracted properly or so ... did you touch the device/buttons hwen it was flashing ? are you sure there is even enough free diskspace ?
[14:40] <gwilym> its a new 32gb device. I kinda messed it up the first time
[14:40] <ogra_> oh
[14:40] <ogra_> 32G
[14:41] <gwilym> yes
[14:41] <ogra_> i wonder if the partitioning is different to what we support
[14:41] <gwilym> would that matter?
[14:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^ have you heard of anyone using a 32G flo yet ?
[14:42] <dobey> ogra_: would it really be using different partitioning than say, a 32G grouper?
[14:43] <Tassadar> than grouper yes, but 16 and 32gb versions should be the same
[14:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: I haven't, but /cache/recovery/log would give use some feedback
[14:43] <gwilym> sergiusens: but I haven't got access to /cache :(
[14:44] <ogra_> dobey, we have had such issues in the past,  yes
[14:44] <ogra_> gwilym, reboot to recovery
[14:44] <ogra_> there you do
[14:44] <sergiusens> gwilym: reboot into recovery
[14:45] <Saviq> mhall119, hey, apparently http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/installing-the-sdk/ redirects to a zh locale of that website, do you know anything about that?
[14:46] <gwilym> orga_ sergiusens done
[14:47] <ogra_> Saviq, thats a subtle hint that we all should learn chinese
[14:47] <Saviq> ogra_, looks like it indeed
[14:47] <ogra_> gwilym, so take a look at the logs then
[14:49] <gwilym> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7322860/ is the contents of /cache/recovery/log
[14:49] <gwilym> looking through it now
[14:50] <gwilym> orga_ sergiusens lines 519-534 contain warnings
[14:51] <ogra_> W:failed to mount /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/userdata (Invalid argument)
[14:51] <ogra_> that looks suspicious
[14:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, that's not good; but flashing went fine...
[14:51] <Tassadar> gwilym: did you reboot to android after doing "fastboot oem unlock"?
[14:51] <popey> Saviq: kyleN is on it
[14:51] <Saviq> popey, kk thanks
[14:51] <gwilym> Tassadar I think I did
[14:52] <sergiusens> Tassadar: I thought we didn't need that anymore... :/
[14:52] <Tassadar> nope
[14:52] <Tassadar> /data is in some weird state after oem unlock and gets fixed/formatted/whatever during boot
[14:53] <Tassadar> you can try "fastboot format userdata" and flash it again, assuming you don't have any data there yet
[14:53] <sergiusens> Tassadar: do you know what that is? ogra_ we may need to add that into our recovery ubuntu_commands for format data
[14:53] <ogra_> well, obviously fastboot ...
[14:54] <Tassadar> dunno what exactly do they do with it, but it is a common problem with custom recoveries - user does oem unlock, boots to recovery, and /data is unaccessible
[14:54] <sergiusens> Tassadar: heh; I would add format data to ubuntu-device-flash, but many people have issues with incorrect bootloader versions that report the incorrect partition size
[14:54] <Tassadar> whaat Oo
[14:54] <Tassadar> never heard about that
[14:54] <sergiusens> Tassadar: was common on the maguro
[14:54] <Tassadar> format in recovery helps too
[14:54] <ogra_> maguro is dead and done :P
[14:55] <gwilym> currently running the flash...
[14:55]  * gwilym crosses fingers
[14:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: we need a format realdata :) ; format data in our ubuntu_commands is not a real format
[14:55] <kyleN> Saviq, yes, that page has moved and the redirect is not yet in place. Here's the new location: http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[14:56] <Saviq> kyleN, yeah, just read your msg to the ML, thanks!
[14:56] <kyleN> Saviq, I also responded to an email on ubuntu-phone subject "Website in Chinese?"
[14:56]  * gwilym crosses toes
[14:56] <kyleN> OK
[15:00] <gwilym> its booted to a black screen, but I can adb into it
[15:00] <doanac> plars, psivaa, cking: i've got a new UTAH building with the eventstat improvements: https://code.launchpad.net/~utah/+recipe/utah-stable should be ready for you guys very soon
[15:01] <cking> sweet
[15:01] <psivaa> doanac: ack
[15:01] <plars> nice!
[15:02] <plars> cking: I'm blacklisting those health check things too, and about to kick off another run with the modified duration. Should have results for you in < 2 hours
[15:02] <cking> plars, thanks, I'll  be around for that this evening
[15:03] <gwilym> It works :DD Thanks ogra_, sergiusens, Tassadar
[15:03] <ogra_> :)
[15:07] <mhall119> Saviq: we've moving some content around on the site, waiting for the apache redirect to be activated
[15:08] <gwilym> There isn't a dvorak keyboard layout :(. Is it possible to add one?
[15:08] <Saviq> mhall119, noted, thanks
[15:12] <popey> gwilym: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard i see no bug there for it, you may want to file one
[15:13] <gwilym> popey: I'll add one :)
[15:13] <popey> thanks
[15:21] <sergiusens> Tassadar: fwiw, this is the format breaking https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-building/0vW8S-1wY5k
[15:21] <sergiusens> Tassadar: fastboot getvar partition-size:userdata  gave back the wrong info
[15:22] <Tassadar> heh
[15:41] <mpt> How do I report a bug on the Contacts app? Which project is it under?
[15:42] <mpt> It doesn’t seem to be listed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[15:48] <popey> mpt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+filebug?no_redirect
[15:48] <popey> i think
[15:49] <mpt> thanks popey
[15:49] <popey> np
[15:57] <mpt> (reported bug 1312263)
[17:26] <Hashcode> rsalveti: is phablet_4.4.2_r1 branch usable?
[17:47] <balloons> is there a way to recreate a click installed on a device? I mean if I unpacked a click to a directory, can I repack it so I have an installable click again?
[18:01] <mhall119> bfiller_afk: have you tried syncing your @canonical.com calendar to the phone?
[18:01] <mhall119> I'm getting an error on that
[18:01] <mhall119> my personal @gmail worked fine
[18:02] <cwayne> mhall119, i did it yesterday, wfm
[18:02] <mhall119> hmm...
[18:06] <popey> mhall119: what error?
[18:08] <mhall119> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7324133/
[18:09] <mhall119> removing everything in ~/.cache/syncevolution/ and rebooting seems to have done the trick
[18:09] <mhall119> bfiller_afk: cwayne popey are any of you testing with more than one Google account setup?
[18:09] <popey> that is an odd duration
[18:10] <popey> mhall119: yes, i use personal and canonical account on my phone
[18:10] <mhall119> huh, I wonder what the issue was then
[18:12] <popey> your meeting is 3 seconds long
[18:12] <popey> look at the start and end times
[18:12] <mhall119> popey: I doubt that
[18:12] <mhall119> I think that was the sync duration
[18:12] <popey> oh
[18:13] <popey> oh i see.
[18:13] <popey> when did you see this?
[18:13] <mhall119> \o/ all my meetings are there
[18:14] <mhall119> popey: trying to sync my work calendar after having sync'd my personal one
[18:14] <popey> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52739 is all i could find
[18:23] <ogra_> mhall119, it didnt work for me initially, seems a former manual sync left e with an incompatible db ... once i wiped that it worked for me (and hasnt stopped since)
[18:23] <ogra_> s/e/me/
[18:24] <ogra_> we got a new syncevolution right before the auto sync was added ... i guess that wasnt backwards compatible
[18:25] <ogra_> (or at least less so than expected)
[18:25] <mhall119> ogra_: I flashed with --wipe this morning, so there shouldn't have been *any* old stuff
[18:25] <ogra_> oh
[18:26] <davmor2> mhall119: pfffff --bootstrap ;)
[18:26] <Hashcode> ogra_ do you know what branch of phablet should I be testing builds with?
[18:27] <ogra_> Hashcode, i think the 4.4.2_r1 one is right ...
[18:27] <Hashcode> aosp/*
[18:27] <Hashcode> not CyanogenMod/* anymor?
[18:27] <davmor2> mhall119: at one point I don't think wipe worked 100% did you have to configure your wifi on reboot?]
[18:28] <mhall119> davmor2: yes
[18:29] <ogra_> Hashcode, yeah ... we're KitKat all the way
[18:29] <davmor2> mhall119: so it sounds like wipe got fixed then
[18:29] <Hashcode> ogra_ very nice
[18:29] <ogra_> that made the deb and hammerhead community ports so easy :)
[18:31] <dobey> ogra_: are there plans to pull hammerhead into the official support list?
[18:31] <ogra_> i dont think so
[18:31] <ogra_> up to management
[18:31] <cwayne> i heard 'maybe in the future'
[18:31] <ogra_> +but i would expect meizu and bq to be supported rather than hammerhead
[18:31] <cwayne> not from management though, so who knows
[18:32] <ogra_> anythign wrong with the hammerhead port that Tassadar offers ?
[18:32] <ogra_> i think it is really good ... at least from what i heard
[18:32] <dobey> i don't know. my phone isn't here yet
[18:32] <ogra_> heh
[18:33] <dobey> i'd prefer pulling from https though
[18:33] <ogra_> afaik it has audio issues ... someone with pulseaudio knowledge and the device needs to take a look and fix that ... beyond that it should be working pretty well
[18:33] <Tassadar> ogra_: the sound doesn't work very well
[18:33] <ogra_> *snap*
[18:33] <ogra_> :)
[18:33] <Tassadar> and bluetooth doesn't work
[18:33] <dobey> does bluetooth work on anything?
[18:34] <ogra_> someone needs to sed cyphermox a device to get it to work ;)
[18:34] <Tassadar> it won't even turn on on hammerhead
[18:34] <ogra_> Bt stack is being reworked
[18:34] <ogra_> should get better in utopic
[18:34] <Tassadar> I remember it worked (well, that it turned on), faintly
[18:34] <ogra_> dobey, BT works for headsets on N4
[18:35] <ogra_> thats about it ... we dont have UI support for anything else
[18:35] <dobey> oh, cool
[18:35] <dobey> i just remember crashing whenever i tried to touch the bt indicator on my n7
[18:35] <ogra_> (and we are seriously missing a pulseaudio specialist to fix all these little glitches)
[18:38] <rsalveti> Hashcode: yes, it's the one we're currently using for all official images
[18:38]  * Tassadar imagines a guy in a power armor with "pulseaudio specialist" written on his back
[18:38] <Hashcode> rsalveti: thanks
[18:39] <rsalveti> Hashcode: repo init -u https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git -b phablet-4.4.2_r1
[18:39] <Hashcode> ah.. that's the server right
[18:39] <dobey> Tassadar: it requires an asbestos suit
[18:39] <Hashcode> rsalveti: so much info is out of date on the wiki :/
[18:39] <rsalveti> Hashcode: yeah :-( will try to update during the next few days
[18:40] <rsalveti> will present ubuntu touch at ELC and want it to be useful
[18:40] <ogra_> Hashcode, the thing is that you can really only properly update it if you are actually doing a port yourself
[18:40]  * ogra_ has his SGS2 sitting next to him since 2 months and hasnt found the time to try another port to take notes etc
[18:41] <Hashcode> ogra_ yeah maybe I'll try and walk through the steps
[18:42] <Hashcode> looks like I'll need to resubmit the omap4 patches as well if I want to go that route again
[18:43] <rsalveti> Hashcode: at least we have gerrit now
[18:43] <Hashcode> true :p
[18:48] <dobey> Tassadar: is there some special jailbreak action that needs to be done on the n5 before it can be flashed?
[18:48] <Tassadar> it's nexus
[18:48] <Tassadar> no
[18:48] <cwayne> oem unlock
[18:48] <Tassadar> just "fastboot oem unlock"
[18:48] <cwayne> but that's the same as any other nexus
[18:49] <ogra_> dobey, dont forget to boot into android at least once after unlocking ... thats very important
[18:49] <ogra_> (else your partitions are in a weird state)
[18:49] <dobey> ogra_: it is? i don't recall dooing that on my n7 (at least, not intentionally)
[18:50] <ogra_> you didnt have android 4.4 on it
[18:53] <dobey> well, guess i'll know in a few minutes
[19:01] <dobey> ugh. wiki is incredibly slow at the moment :(
[19:07] <dobey> Tassadar: what was the server to use for your port?
[19:08] <Tassadar> http://system-image.tasemnice.eu
[19:10] <dobey> yay, 4.5MB/s
[19:10] <Tassadar> it's a vps with free unlimited traffic)
[19:10] <Tassadar> on a 100 MB/s line
[19:10] <Tassadar> *Mbit
[19:11] <dobey> ah
[19:11] <dobey> 2014/04/24 15:11:33 Cannot cleanup tree to ensure clean deploymentexit status 255
[19:11] <dobey> hrmm :(
[19:12] <Tassadar> Oo
[19:14] <dobey> heh
[19:14] <dobey> remember to unplug all the other devices first ;)
[19:14] <dobey> oh weird
[19:14] <dobey> got the spinning ubuntu logo, overlayed on top of the green android with the spinning hypercube
[19:15] <Tassadar> that's the recovery doing it's thing
[19:15] <dobey> yeah
[19:15] <Tassadar> obviously the android shouldn't be there)
[19:16] <dobey> it's just weird to see both of them flicking between each other
[19:16] <Tassadar> not sure why it is there though
[19:16] <dobey> is that expected on n5?
[19:16] <Tassadar> as in, I dunno if it is in official releases
[19:16] <Tassadar> doesn't affect anything though
[19:16] <dobey> well when i flashed my n7 from the official builds, it didn't do this
[19:16] <dobey> it was just the ubuntu logo (once that recovery got added to the build)
[19:17] <jo-erlend> Now that we're talking about desktops and other stuff, is this still the proper channel for those topics, or will this channel still be about touch devices?
[19:18] <mhall119> jo-erlend: are you talking about desktop convergence?
[19:21] <Tassadar> dobey: oh, it seems hammerhead has those android images in it's device folder for some reason, and they get added to the recovery by the build system
[19:21] <Tassadar> not sure why, maybe it needed higher resolution or whatever
[19:21] <Tassadar> I'll try to remove them for the next build
[19:24] <dobey> ugh, i'm gonna have go to get a different sim card for it
[19:30] <dobey> Tassadar: ah ok,
[19:45] <jo-erlend> mhall119, yes.
[20:03] <hamed1soleimani> Hi ... i'm trying to port ubuntu touch for galaxy advance . so i grabbed all of necessary repository and follow porting guide in ubuntu touch wiki steps. but every time i try to make the image file i see errors that relates to files in framework/native/include/gui . they don't exists. so i download them and put them in their location but still i'm getting stupid errors. i'm completely confused! any help?
[20:09] <dobey> ugh
[20:10] <dobey> click is in some weird state again and i can't uninstall things
[20:10] <dobey> also, does the nexus 4 vibrate every time you tap an icon/button in the UI? my n5 is doing it, and it's kind of annoying :)
[20:13] <daker> dobey: yes :(
[20:13] <dobey> ugh
[20:13] <dobey> well at least it's not just the n5
[20:14] <bact> I hate touch vibration, my phone should only vibrate for incoming calls
[20:17] <daker> well atleast you need to have an option
[20:31] <hamed1soleimani> any help?
[21:20] <dobey> lol. my phone was last updated jan 23 1970
[21:24] <genii> Probably want to update the time, with ntpdate or such
[21:24] <dobey> already did that
[21:24] <genii> And get from the Unix epoch into the Linux epoch.
[21:25] <dobey> time is right now, but was wrong when i flashed; so the "last update" has the wrong time
[21:26] <genii> dobey: Ah, OK. So it's non-critical, just amusing
[21:27] <dobey> yeah
[22:09] <dobey> is it just me, or does the time seem to get more and more off from what the actual time is, when you leave the screen off for a while? seems like it's not using the internal clock correctly or something
[22:27] <bact> dobey: don't most smartphones usually grab the current time from the network tower on a regular basis?
[22:29] <dobey> bact: yes, but if i put it in airplane mode and leave the screen off over night, it doesn't say it's midnight when i wake up at 8 and look at the time
[22:29] <dobey> i have a feeling that might happen on here
[22:32] <dobey> hmm, watermerk elements in html apps == pain
[22:38] <dobey> anyway, time to go. later :)
[22:48] <Hashcode> rsalveti: I'm getting a file_context error on the 4.4.2_r1 build missing from the /tmp files
[22:48] <Hashcode> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/targetfiles-etl91e/BOOT/RAMDISK/file_contexts'
[22:48] <Hashcode> Do I need to add those manually? or is that a config I'm missing
[22:48] <rsalveti> Hashcode: hm, never had that message before
[22:48] <rsalveti> Hashcode: adding a new hardware?
[22:49] <Sashmo__> hey guys..... Multicast question.... Using Ubuntu 12.04 and I have several multicast on for example <IP_ADDRESS>:1234 and <IP_ADDRESS>:1234, but when I connect to one, its fine, but if I want to connect to another one, it wont work, the streams are full of problems.... Does anyone have a suggestion?
[22:50] <Hashcode> rsalveti: yeah I'm testing an otter build
[22:50] <Hashcode> I have file_contexts in $OUT/root/
[22:50] <Hashcode> but not /tmp/*/BOOT/RAMDISK/
[22:51] <Hashcode> I'm kind of surprised at the /tmp usage
[22:51] <rsalveti> Hashcode: it seems file_contexts is created by the external/sepolicy project
[22:51] <Hashcode> it's there in my /out/target/product folder
[22:52] <Hashcode> (I use a different "out" dir)
[22:52] <Hashcode> could that be it?
[22:52] <rsalveti> maybe
[22:54] <rsalveti> Hashcode: can you build with showcommands to see which command is generating that error?
[22:54] <rsalveti> img_from_target_files or ota_from_target_files
[22:54] <rsalveti> maybe it's getting the ubuntu ramdisk by default, instead of parsing the one from android
[22:54] <rsalveti> and it expects that file to be available
[22:56] <Hashcode> I setup the out dir as per source.android.com now
[22:56] <Hashcode> and I'm re-running
[22:56] <Hashcode> I'll restart with showcommands
[23:12] <Hashcode> rsalveti: it's in ota_from_target_files
[23:13] <Hashcode>   File "./build/tools/releasetools/ota_from_target_files", line 477, in WritePolicyConfig
[23:13] <Hashcode>     f = open(file_context, 'r');
[23:14] <rsalveti> right, I think that's probably because it's trying to find that file in the ubuntu initramfs
[23:14] <rsalveti> which doesn't exist
[23:15] <Hashcode> ah
[23:15] <Hashcode> You don't see that on N4?
[23:15] <rsalveti> we're not generating the ota image on n4
[23:16] <Hashcode> it's being set on line 860
[23:16] <Hashcode> oh
[23:16] <Hashcode> how should I build this?
[23:16] <rsalveti> just the pure img files that are consumed with fastboot
[23:16] <Hashcode> use system.img?
[23:16] <rsalveti> you could build ota, just need a few changes it seems
[23:16] <Hashcode> I can fix this to look in $OUT/root
[23:35] <Hashcode> rsalveti: apparently we should be passing in dictionary objects to this function call as well: common.GetBootableImage
[23:35] <Hashcode> It ends up building the boot filename and calculating a length on a NoneType if you don't pass it in
[23:43] <Hashcode> I think something is going wrong with my BOOTABLE_IMAGES dir
[23:45] <rsalveti> right, try just removing the piece that checks for the file_contexts file
[23:48] <Hashcode> This is the next issue
[23:49] <Hashcode> it's using GetBootableImage in the ota_from_target_files
[23:49] <Hashcode> and bombing because we're not passing in a info_dict (=None) and later it passes that info_dict to a File() constructor where it checks it for len()
[23:50] <Hashcode> tho it doesn't run this path in the scripts if there's a BOOTABLE_IMAGE folder under /tmp/*/
[23:51] <Hashcode> so that may be where it's working on your builds
[23:51] <Hashcode> apparently the script will pull prebuilts down and extract them
[23:52] <rsalveti> it works for us because I don't think we're calling this script at all
[23:53] <Hashcode> ah
[23:53] <Hashcode> yeah the GetBootableImage functions are all called in the same way w/o a dictionary in both img_from_target_files and ota_from_target_files
[23:59] <Hashcode> rsalveti: i'll work on this later and submit a gerrit patch


[00:29] <BBHoss> anyone know why bzr would lock up pulling a large repo ~300 MB on a system with only 256MB RAM?
[00:56] <SamB> huh
[00:56] <SamB> some people!
[06:09] <suji1> Hi, I give the command bzr add filename , it shows an error the current directory is not a branch (bzr: ERROR: Not a branch)
[08:31] <cody-somerville> Anybody seen this before? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/232826/
[08:32] <cody-somerville> ah, appears so
[08:42] <mneptok> cody-somerville: kneilsen in our team encountered the same behavior - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/375898
[08:45] <cody-somerville> guh
[08:45] <cody-somerville> And I've just been bitten by the bzr format incompatibilities :(
[10:55] <LarstiQ> cody-somerville: which formats?
[10:56] <cody-somerville> pack-0.98 and rich root pack I think
[10:59] <LarstiQ> right, non-rr vs rr
[11:00] <LarstiQ> cody-somerville: I'm happy to note that once we get 2a where we want it, there is a default format with rich roots, no more of that one-way-barrier after that (well, everyone will be on this side of the barrier)
[11:01] <LarstiQ> cody-somerville: right now it's a huge pain
[11:02] <james_w> we should probably improve that error message before 2.0
[11:02] <james_w> I imagine a lot of people will hit it and it's not the most helpful error
[11:03] <LarstiQ> james_w: you mean the trans_id one or the rr-format one?
[11:03] <james_w> rr-format
[11:03] <LarstiQ> right
[11:03] <james_w> the trans_id one should just be fixed :-)
[11:12] <jelmer___> moin!
[11:15] <LarstiQ> hoi jelmer___
[11:16] <LarstiQ> verterok, agrippa: does the new installer include enough to have qbzr working? ref bug 349143
[11:27] <jelmer___> LarstiQ: how's the 2a upgrade process going?
[11:32] <LarstiQ> jelmer___: I have bugs to file.  If we agree we can go ahead with the upgrade-guide approach before fixing them, a date should be picked for the upgrade.
[11:32]  * LarstiQ needs to find out some stuff about upgrading pqm first too
[11:32] <LarstiQ> jelmer___: it's moving, but no ETA yet
[11:38] <jelmer___> LarstiQ: ah, ok
[11:38] <LarstiQ> jelmer___: bug 390502 if you weren't aware of the bug number
[11:39]  * LarstiQ goes afk for a bit
[11:40] <LarstiQ> jelmer___: (I'm guessing something like next weekend for the upgrade, if we get agreement and announcement out this weekend)
[11:43] <lifeless> LarstiQ: I really don't like breaking *all* the metadata about existing branches
[11:43] <lifeless> LarstiQ: I'd /much/ much much much rather fix the bugs
[11:44] <lifeless> upgrading bzr itself won't teach us much if we haven't fixed the bugs such that we can do the process other people will to
[13:16] <mathrick> hiya
[13:16] <mathrick> does anyone know if bzr-svn supports history horizons yet?
[13:17] <mathrick> I know it does stacked branches, but that's a bit excessive in that it needs network for *all* access to old data, if I understand correctly
[13:28] <mathrick> jelmer___: poke
[13:28] <jelmer___> mathrick: hi
[13:29] <mathrick> jelmer___: does bzr-svn do history horizons yet? If I understand correctly, --stacked will want to access network for all past revisions, no?
[13:29] <mathrick> also, I have a repo that fail a stacked get with 0.6.2 here
[13:29] <jelmer___> mathrick: history horizons != stacked branches afaik
[13:29] <jelmer___> mathrick: what command are you trying to run exactly that fails?
[13:30]  * fullermd suspects getting history horizons in bzr-svn will be somewhat difficult before there are history horizons in bzr...
[13:30] <mathrick> jelmer___: http://pastebin.com/f1df8f6df
[13:31] <jelmer___> mathrick: stacked branches don't work in bzr-svn
[13:31] <jelmer___> mathrick: svn doesn't support stacking itself
[13:31] <jelmer___> mathrick: and bzr doesn't support stacking between different formats
[13:32] <mathrick> jelmer___: æh? But you tell to use stacked branches in the FAQ
[13:32] <jelmer___> oh, is that still there?
[13:33] <jelmer___> bzr-svn supported stacking for a while through a hack, but I removed that a while ago
[13:33] <mathrick> oh
[13:33] <jelmer___> mathrick: I don't see any comments about that in the FAQ, only " 30 In the future it should hopefully be possible to use stacked branches.
[13:33] <jelmer___> "
[13:33] <mathrick> it should just fail with "stacked branches not supported" then
[13:34] <mathrick> jelmer___: http://samba.org/~jelmer/bzr-svn/FAQ.html#cloning-a-large-subversion-branch-is-very-slow :)
[13:34] <jelmer___> mathrick: ah, I should probably remove that copy
[13:34] <mathrick> I believe it's also there in the bzr wiki
[13:35] <jelmer___> mathrick: I agree the error message could be clearer but afaik you get the same error message when trying to stack a bzr branch onto a different format bzr branch
[13:35] <mathrick> jelmer___: well, sure, but if you know svn doesn't support stacking, you could just catch it and tell the user outright, instead of after all the metadata is fetched
[13:36] <jelmer___> mathrick: nope, that can only be done in bzr itself, as bzr-svn doesn't know when a stacking clone is happening
[13:37] <jelmer___> mathrick: I've removed the FAQ from my homepage, can't find any references on the wiki though. Where did you see it?
[13:39] <jelmer___> mathrick: sorry for the confusion
[13:41] <mathrick> jelmer___: nah, I was wrong about the wiki
[13:41] <mathrick> and no problem, it's still a good solid plugin you have there :)
[13:45] <visik7> anyone using bazaar + buildout ? which parts of your project did you version ?
[13:46] <jelmer___> mathrick: thanks :-)
[14:09] <lifeless> visik7: the only folk I know doing that are the launchpad folk, someoe in #launchpad-dev may be able to tell you
[14:11] <fullermd> Hmm...
[14:11] <fullermd> Am I missing the magic to make branch: revspecs not blow up with a ReadOnlyError?
[15:09] <verterok> LarstiQ: no, the installer don't include PyQt nor Qt itself, but checks if PyQt is available and [dis|en]able the qbzr option
[15:27] <fullermd> igc: BTW, keywords plugin is making selftest fail, looking for now-renamed workingtree_implementations.
[15:43] <jelmer____> "bzr send --format=git" works for the most part, main thing missing is support for sending more than one revision since that implies sending multiple attachments :-)
[15:47]  * fullermd doesn't understand how the RevisionSpec_branch tests are passing   :|
[16:21] <ronny> yo
[16:22] <ronny> is there anz convention/notion to figure the "default" branch of a shared repository
[16:23] <ronny> ie something semilar to trunk in svn, master in git and default in hg
[16:23] <fullermd> 'trunk' is probably the more common, but I don't think there's any particular community pressure one way or another.
[16:24] <ronny> hmk, so i go for try trunk, try the repo itself, then fail
[16:43] <fullermd> Well, I think that's more than blown my bzr-time for this week...
[16:48] <jelmer____> fullermd, good stuff
[16:49] <jelmer____> fullermd: I think this is a very useful change (haven't looked at the code yet though)
[16:49] <fullermd> Yeah,  I got grumpy waiting for somebody else to do it for the past 3 years, and really didn't want to touch the Real Work I should have done instead.
[16:50] <fullermd> Potent combination.
[16:50] <Luke-Jr> jelmer____: please re-review my patch ;)
[16:51] <jelmer____> Luke-Jr, I don't see any new merge reviews..
[17:59] <LarstiQ> lifeless: good, I'd personally prefer fixing bugs first so that we can upgrade in place, I agree it is a far preferable workflow
[17:59] <jetole> hey guys, I just copied the wrong file over a repo file minutes after I checked it in to launch pad, how can I tell bzr to revert it back to what launchpad has on my system?
[18:00] <LarstiQ> jetole: `bzr revert`?
[18:00]  * jetole reads it over (although sounds right from what I remember from SVN)
[18:01] <LarstiQ> if that's not what you're looking for, I didn't understand your description of the situation correctly
[18:04] <jetole> no it was
[18:04] <jetole> it worked perfectly
[18:04] <jetole> thanks LarstiQ
[18:29] <Moof> hi
[18:29] <Moof> I'm trying to get to grips with something here.
[18:31] <Moof> I'm goign to be developing various projects on my machine. They'll all be stored in directories in remote servers. On my local machine, can I get away with creating one repository, and storing multiple branches form different servers in it?
[18:32] <NEBAP> it's possible to init a repository on a ftp server
[18:32] <NEBAP> is it also possible to recursively add folders and files to it?
[18:35] <NEBAP> directly on the ftp server
[18:41] <NEBAP> no ideas?
[18:41] <NEBAP> or is it not possible?
[19:00] <NEBAP> hmm
[19:00] <NEBAP> no ideas how I can add the files remotely?
[19:15] <NEBAP> no one online?
[19:37] <mzz> NEBAP: I think there's a plugin for that somewhere
[19:38] <NEBAP> I've used the init to initialize a standalone branch on the ftp server which worked without problems
[19:38] <NEBAP> then I've used checkout to create a local branch
[19:38] <NEBAP> and added the necessary files there
[19:39] <NEBAP> after changing some files I've commited the bind branch to the ftp server
[19:39] <NEBAP> which also worked without problems
[19:39] <NEBAP> but the files on the server are not changed
[19:39] <NEBAP> what is wrong?
[19:40] <NEBAP> the history is up to date
[19:40] <NEBAP> but the files arent
[19:40] <NEBAP> I've just used "bzr update" on the bound branch
[22:27]  * LarstiQ discovers bugmail is a task he can do on low energy
[22:27] <LarstiQ> reading/triaging
[22:39] <jelmer____> LarstiQ!