[10:01] <bela> sory whas gogeling
[10:02] <SteveBell> so entering dconf reset -f /org/compiz and
[10:02] <SteveBell> setsip unity
[10:02] <racho> SteveBell, setsid not setsip
[10:02] <bela> i foun this but what to download 4 here
[10:02] <bela> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1045257
[10:02] <SteveBell> ups damn. too late. did I ruin anything? it did something..
[10:03] <racho> SteveBell, logout with gnome-session-quit from terminal and lets see if it has fixed it
[10:03] <bela> Malachi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1045257
[10:04] <SteveBell> no sucess. hmm
[10:05] <Malachi> bela: Yes, Google search will help you better than me. Your graphics card works on Ubuntu
[10:05] <Malachi> bela: I'm not familiar with Radeon cards, sorry to say
[10:05] <racho> SteveBell, by any chance running a nvidia gpu?
[10:05] <bela> o
[10:05] <bela> is this linux so hard
[10:06] <bela> whare can which drivers are not instaled?
[10:07] <Malachi> bela:  Linux is easy to use,  but not all hardware is properly supported
[10:07] <SteveBell> GMA 3150 graphics GPU says http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/toshiba-mini-nb305-review/ (racho)
[10:07] <bela> Malachi: if i dont have any exe how do i intal it
[10:08] <bela> ?
[10:08] <bela> rhd_conntest_20080429_i386
[10:08] <mfaroukg> totem crashes
[10:08] <bela> no .run
[10:08] <SteveBell> bela this is not windows, you don't run exe files on ubuntu.
[10:09] <bela> :)
[10:09] <mfaroukg> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing?
[10:09] <SteveBell> racho Malachi http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-3150-GMA-3150.23262.0.html to be exact
[10:09] <bela> y but dosent have any extension
[10:09] <bela> 4 i downloaded somthing had .run
[10:10] <bela> i clicked proprietis and maydid executed like a program
[10:10] <Malachi> bela:  you need .deb . It works just like an exe
[10:11] <Strit> my .desktop file doesn't launch the program properly. I've set Terminal to true, but when I press the icon it opens terminal for a split second, and then closes down. Any idea how to fix that?
[10:11] <bela> yes but 4 where to download a driver 4 this card radeon x550
[10:11] <traubisoda> sziasztok
[10:12] <bela> seruz
[10:12] <Malachi> SteveBell: I don't know Steve, try to reinstall the Unity window manager, or whatever it's called. I don't even use Ubuntu these days.
[10:12] <Malachi> bela:  Well, there's all this information here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:12] <Malachi> bela:  Sorry, there;s a lot there
[10:13] <bela> Malachi, SteveBell : 4 where to download a driver 4 this card radeon x550?
[10:13] <Neurotoxin> hey how do I find out what kind of sound device Im using "alsa" or whatever??
[10:13] <bela> TY
[10:14] <Neurotoxin> how find..? ;(
[10:14] <racho> SteveBell, if you log in as a guest does it have the same problem?
[10:14] <Malachi> Neuro
[10:14] <kssmani> hi can any one help me to install libreoffice in ubuntu studio 12.04
[10:15] <traubisoda> on ubuntu 12.04 server, mails sent by php arrive very slow (5+ mins), any idea what could be the problem?
[10:15] <bela> Malachi:
[10:16] <Malachi> Neurotoxin: You can run lshw from the terminal
[10:16] <bela> i downloaded 4 ati but dosent works
[10:16] <Malachi> bela:  If you install a graphics driver, you need to reboot for it to work
[10:17] <bela> i made the restart before
[10:17] <bela> the driver whas not instaled
[10:18] <bela> te terminal did show a red text but i can not red it it whas fast
[10:19] <kssmani> hello can any one help me to install vlc player in ubuntu studio 12.04
[10:20] <racho> bela, what is your video card? can you rung 'lspci -v | grep VGA' in a terminal and show the output
[10:22] <bela> radeon x550
[10:22] <bela> please help me
[10:22] <kssmani> help me please
[10:23] <dakotawulfy>  kssmani what do u need help with
[10:23] <racho> bela, your ubuntu version?
[10:24] <ptex`> kssmani, have you tried apt-get install vlc?
[10:25] <kssmani> i will try apt-get install vlc
[10:26] <bela> racho: 13.10
[10:28] <bela> ?
[10:28] <racho> bela, you card is not supported by the amd binary drivers on 13.10
[10:28] <racho> it's considered legacy
[10:29] <racho> you should use the open source radeon driver
[10:29] <bela> i can not run aniting on terminal
[10:29] <bela> whay?
[10:30] <bela> i open the terminal try to write but i can"t
[10:30] <Strit> my .desktop file doesn't launch the program properly. I've set Terminal to true, but when I press the icon it opens terminal for a split second, and then closes down. Any idea how to fix that?
[10:31] <Mace268> make sure you have full paths in the command Strit. It sounds like it's erroring out
[10:31] <dakotawulfy>  Strit get the name of the command from the icon  cut and past in terminal and see what error you are getting
[10:32] <Strit> Mace268, the paths are full and the script works if I run it by it self.
[10:32] <Strit> dakotawulfy, name of the command? I'm launching a script I wrote myself. :)
[10:32] <bela> i open the terminal try to write but i can"t
[10:32] <traubisoda> I would like to send registration emails via php, but the mail() runs slow, and the emails arrive late. What should I do to get shorter delivery time?
[10:33] <dakotawulfy> well u know how to launch it in the treminal
[10:33] <Mace268> Strit, full paths in your script too?
[10:33] <dakotawulfy> strit did u make it executable
[10:34] <racho> bela, as i said your card is *NOT* supported by the fglrx in 13.10 so it won't work with the binary drivers you've installed
[10:34] <bela> so what can i do?
[10:34] <racho> bela, you should remove them and use the open source driver
[10:34] <bela> but when you tun the terminal you can write in it
[10:34] <Strit> dakotawulfy, it is executable. I've done the same with other .desktop files that work. This one just doesn't for some reason.
[10:35] <bela> what is open source?
[10:36] <racho> bela, as a start you can run this: sudo apt-get purge fgrlx* and then after it finishes reboot your machine
[10:36] <dakotawulfy>  Strit need to run in terminal to see what error you  have
[10:36] <dakotawulfy> that will give u and ideal where to find the problem
[10:36] <NetCatty> hi guys
[10:37] <Strit> dakotawulfy, and how to do that? The script works flawlessly if I run that in a script. And if I run the .desktop file I get a terminal for a split second before it closes.
[10:37] <Malachi> racho: Thanks for diagnosing the problem
[10:37] <bela> racho:where to run it?
[10:37] <bela> sory
[10:37] <racho> bela, in a terminal
[10:37] <Strit> Here's 2 .desktops. ONe that doesn't work, one that does: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311449/
[10:37] <bela> i can write
[10:37] <bela> in the terminal
[10:38] <racho> bela, can or can't?
[10:38] <bela> this is what i am teling y
[10:38] <bela> no
[10:38] <bela> no write
[10:38] <bela> sory my englis not so good
[10:38] <Mrokii> Hello. Can somebody recommend a video editor where I don't have to create a project before simply trying to cut out a section of an avi? I tried Pitivi and OpenShot and couldn't even figure out how to select a section to cut it out. And Avidemux isn't available as a package for Ubuntu at the moment, as it seems.
[10:38] <Mace268> strit you can set terminal not to close when finished
[10:38] <racho> bela, go to a VT console. Ctrl + Alt + F3 for example and run the command there
[10:39] <Malachi> Strit: Is it the spaces in the Icon line?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> Mrokii: Openshot or KDEnlive
[10:39] <Mrokii> gordonjcp: As I said, I tried Openshot and couldn't figure out how to select a section to delete it.
[10:40] <Mace268> Strit, open terminal then go to edit > profile prefs then look under title and command and set "When command exits" to hold the terminal open. then you can see the output..
[10:40] <dakotawulfy> strit or any any one  has to have " " on it if it is wine stuff
[10:40] <dakotawulfy> Right
[10:41] <bela> y have to tel me how to exit to
[10:41] <bela> :))
[10:41] <NetCatty> when I've spotify and rhythmbox running at the same time, Rhyth. occupys the media keys and blocks spotify from using them. How do I set the priority for the player to use the media keys and how to switch between them?
[10:41] <bela> i hit ctr+alt+del and made me reboot
[10:41] <dakotawulfy>  Strit mkes it tricky if they are not in the right places
[10:42] <Strit> dakotawulfy, so, where do you suggest the "'s should be?
[10:42] <n0000bpleasehelp> hello.. can someone help me
[10:42] <bekks> !ask | n0000bpleasehelp
[10:42] <dakotawulfy> "Program Files (x86) /Battle.net/battlenet.ico"
[10:43] <Strit> Mace268, this is what I get in an open terminal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311471/
[10:43] <dakotawulfy> Try that
[10:43] <SteveBell> racho trying to log in as guest I clicked on the settings at the top right, then guest session results in the same problems
[10:43] <dakotawulfy>  in terminal just cut and past see if it works
[10:43] <dakotawulfy> sorry
[10:43] <sampeyre> hi, how can i find out if my desktop environment is Cinnamon or Mate?
[10:43] <dakotawulfy> for icon '
[10:44] <n0000bpleasehelp> okay, here is my problem : I've been messing with the splash screen in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and had copied a new theme in the /lib/plymouth/theme/ folder. I want to revert back to old theme. How can I do it?
[10:44] <racho> SteveBell, then i suspect it may be a problem with your graphic adapter. afaik intel stuff usually runs marvelous on linux. maybe some compiz bug...
[10:44] <sampeyre> the two look very similar, i dont know how to tell the difference
[10:45] <traubisoda> What causes that, when I connect to my ubuntu server with ssh, if the connection is inactive for like 5 minutes, the connection frozes?
[10:45] <sampeyre> is there a command i can give from terminal that will tell me my desktop environment?
[10:45] <dakotawulfy> strits what happens when u run it in terminal   ?? /home/strit/battlenet.sh
[10:45] <NetCatty> Mace268: avidemux, cinelerra, flowblade, kino, kdenlive, open movie editor, Lives, co...
[10:45] <Mace268> huh?
[10:45] <Strit> dakotawulfy, as said, the script works fine with a ./battlenet.sh in terminal
[10:46] <n0000bpleasehelp> okay, here is my problem : I've been messing with the splash screen in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and had copied a new theme in the /lib/plymouth/theme/ folder. I want to revert back to old theme. How can I do it?
[10:46] <sampeyre> somebody help me please
[10:47] <NetCatty> Mace268: wrong nick, I meant Mrokii
[10:47] <Strit> dakotawulfy, when I just run the Icon= line, it gives no errors, no output at all
[10:47] <Mace268> ah
[10:47] <dakotawulfy> strit   sorry what part not working when u make the icon for it to wor??
[10:48] <racho> traubisoda, look up ClientAliveInterval in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
[10:48] <dakotawulfy> strit give me the comand u have for the icon
[10:49] <dakotawulfy> strit  /home/strit/battlenet.sh
[10:49] <n0000bpleasehelp> how can I edit default.desktop symbolic link to point to another location?
[10:49] <racho> traubisoda, also SeverAliveInterval in your ssh_config
[10:50] <n0000bpleasehelp> how can I edit default.plymouth symbolic link to point to another location?
[10:50] <dakotawulfy> strits try that for the icon command
[10:51] <racho> n0000bpleasehelp, man ln
[10:52] <n0000bpleasehelp> thanks racho
[10:52] <Mace268> i don't think the command cares whether it has an icon defined or not
[10:52] <cretsiah> does lubuntu support wireless keyboards and mouse? and can using lubuntu12.10 get around the radeon and nvidea driver issues of 13.10?
[10:53] <traubisoda> racho thanks!
[10:53] <dakotawulfy> cretsiah most time yes just try the live cd and u know for sure
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[10:55] <sampeyre> CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO KNOW WHICH DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT I HAVE?
[10:55] <cretsiah> im downloading both after i tried kubuntu .... kubuntu just gave me a blank screen it was really odd
[10:56] <bela> racho: made it but whas noting to be delete
[10:56] <bela> unable to locate package
[10:56] <racho> bela, so you haven't installed any binary drivers then
[10:56] <Strit> dakotawulfy, command for an icon? You mean the line in the .desktop file right?
[10:56] <bela> yes
[10:57] <sampeyre> support here means ignoring users? dont get it
[10:57] <dakotawulfy> the command to execute
[10:58] <bela> racho: so how do i instal some driver f my card?
[10:58] <dakotawulfy> just  take that command past in terminal see if it works
[10:58] <sampeyre> well at least i got my last question answered.... bye all
[10:59] <dakotawulfy> Stirt sounds like it is not linked right
[10:59] <bela> aand whay can i not write in the terminal?
[10:59] <racho> sampeyre, what does cinnamon --version shows in a terminal
[10:59] <sampeyre> thanks, i dont know if i have cinnamon, that's what i want to find out
[11:00] <Strit> doing "sh /home/strit/battlenet.sh" in terminal works fine
[11:00] <racho> sampeyre, well run it. if you don't have cinnamon it will throw an error
[11:00] <sampeyre> it looks like either cinnamon or mate
[11:00] <dakotawulfy> strit try the full command and past in terminal  have for the command for under the icon  command to execute it to see if it works
[11:00] <sampeyre> how do i run it?
[11:00] <racho> open terminal and run: cinnamon --version
[11:01] <Strit> dakotawulfy, Oh, you mean the full path to the .desktop file in the command?
[11:01] <bela> ?
[11:01] <sampeyre> ok i get Cinnamon 1.6.7.... so it means i have it.... ok thank you ... thats all i wanted to know
[11:02] <bela> racho:so can i instal some drivers 4 my grafic card what is open source?
[11:03] <racho> bela, reboot you pc. the open source driver is in the kernel itself
[11:03] <dakotawulfy> strit not for  sure the file name  try it under that  like   /home/strit/the name of your script
[11:04] <dakotawulfy> strit sorry i mean the location
[11:05] <Strit> dakotawulfy, I saved the file at /home/strit/.local/share/applications/battle.net.desktop But the sh command cannot find that file.
[11:06] <bela> racho:i have restarted
[11:06] <bela> but my resolution is 800x600
[11:06] <dakotawulfy> strit right
[11:06] <dakotawulfy>  i see
[11:06] <bela> i tried adding aditional drivers but noting
[11:07] <bela> il go back to windows
[11:07] <dakotawulfy> strit Because its because u have to have quotes in the right places
[11:09] <bekks> bela: Which Ubuntu do you have, and which graphics card exactly do you have?
[11:09] <bela> 13.10
[11:09] <bela> radeon x550
[11:09] <bela> please help me
[11:09] <racho> bela, can you paste the output of xrandr -q
[11:09] <bekks> !radeon | bela
[11:09] <bela> how
[11:10] <dakotawulfy> strit  have a question for you or any one can help  why not put the script in  /usr/bin  the script battlenet.sh
[11:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. Is there a secure page that provides the archive key or its fingerprint?
[11:10] <racho> bela, run it in a terminal
[11:10] <bekks> !pastebin | bela
[11:10] <bela> but how do i use terminal ?i can not write in it
[11:11] <dakotawulfy> strit then make it executable
[11:11] <racho> bela, what do you mean can write in it?
[11:11] <dakotawulfy>  then all you have to do is  is for the command battlenet.sh
[11:12] <bela> i open terminal and when i hit the keyboard dosent do aniting
[11:12] <Strit> dakotawulfy, the script itself is in /home/strit and is executable. So there is no quotes in the line for the command. Only for the one to show the icon, because the icon is in a folder in wine.
[11:14] <bekks> bela: Can you write somewhere else, at all?
[11:14] <bela> here i can
[11:14] <dakotawulfy> strit right  so if u execute it from there it works right ??
[11:15] <bela> i can
[11:15] <bela> i have created new folder
[11:15] <bekks> bela: And where is "here"? Another computer you are at? Or the same computer where you cant write in terminal?
[11:15] <Strit> dakotawulfy, if I run "./battlenet.sh" from terminal while in home folder it works at it should.
[11:15] <bela> no
[11:15] <bela> same
[11:15] <Random832> how do I get the hibernate button back on 13.10
[11:16] <bela> i have instaled on a weker pc to see how it is linux
[11:16] <Random832> i already have the file that all the online instructions say to create and it doesn't work
[11:16] <bela> if i like it i put ubuntu on my laptop
[11:16] <bela> i am writing 4 my pc that has ubuntu instaled
[11:17] <dakotawulfy> strit not sure but it cant find it in path so it can link it under the icon command
[11:17] <bekks> bela: So you are using a live cd currently? Or did you already install Ubuntu?
[11:17] <bela> instaled
[11:17] <lucido> I'm looking for the ppa with the newest nvidia drivers, tried ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates but there is bo 13.10 section in that ppa, what's the alternative?
[11:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> Argh, Debian doesn't provide a Ubuntu keyring package either.
[11:17] <Strit> dakotawulfy, alright. Moving the icon and changing the path to the new one, which is without quotes, makes the icon appear. But still the same with the terminal when running the .desktop file.
[11:17] <dakotawulfy> strits
[11:17] <bela> bekks :
[11:17] <dakotawulfy> strit wait
[11:17] <bekks> bela: You just said that you'll install it if you like it. That implies that you havent installed it yet.
[11:18] <bela> yes i have
[11:18] <Strit> dakotawulfy, terminal says: subprocess ended with status 0.
[11:18] <bela> i did not run it 4 my cd
[11:18] <sasmit87> Hi all ....in my aptana editor Alt+ctrl+down to duplicate lines is not working
[11:18] <racho> bela, and you can type in chat but cannot type in terminal?
[11:18] <bela> i deleted everiting 4 my hdd
[11:18] <bela> yes
[11:18] <bela> i have a wirles keybord
[11:18] <bekks> bela: Please dont use number for words in here. It makes things hard to read.
[11:18] <bela> sory
[11:19] <dakotawulfy> strit  the script u what to run is battlenet.sh right??
[11:19] <bela> ty four all y help
[11:19] <Strit> dakotawulfy, yes.
[11:19] <sasmit87> .in my aptana editor Alt+ctrl+down to duplicate lines is not working. but its working in windows
[11:19] <bekks> sasmit87: Did you contact aptana already?
[11:20] <sasmit87> no..I think its ubuntu probleam
[11:20] <bekks> sasmit87: Because...?
[11:20] <sasmit87> here alt+ctrl+down is workspace switcher
[11:20] <sasmit87> I mean in ubuntu
[11:21] <dakotawulfy> strit u can take that script drop it in the /usr/bin make it a executable  then  all u have to do is rub the script name
[11:21] <bekks> sasmit87: Then you have to redefine one of those keybindings.
[11:21] <sasmit87> how??
[11:21] <bela> ?
[11:22] <Strit> dakotawulfy, but why isn't it working when my neverwinter.desktop is? :)
[11:22] <racho> Strit, can you paste your desktop file?
[11:23] <Strit> racho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311449/
[11:23] <lucido> Strit, are you trying to play nwn2?
[11:23] <Strit> lucido, no. Neverwinter online. :)
[11:23] <lucido> Strit, i couldn't get nwn2 to work, did you?
[11:23] <Strit> lucido, But that works fine. It's the Battle.net app that won't launch via .desktop file, but will using just the script.
[11:23] <lucido> I see
[11:24] <Strit> lucido, havent tried Nwn2 on linux. :)
[11:24] <dakotawulfy> strit maybe something in the script  paste them both maybe we can find it
[11:24] <bela> whay can i do whit my termina?
[11:25] <sasmit87> ya I did it....whhhhh :) :)
[11:26] <racho> Strit, could it be your battlenet.sh script needs something more from the current env?
[11:26] <racho> Strit, can please show the battlenet.sh
[11:27] <Strit> racho, the script works fine on it's own.
[11:27] <bela> racho:what can i do to instal some drivers 4 my souncard and to repair the terminal?
[11:27] <Strit> dakotawulfy, racho Here's the 2 scripts. Both works when running the script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311665/
[11:27] <racho> Strit, of course it will. but when runned from a .desktop file the env vars may get messed up
[11:28] <Strit> racho, didn't there was a difference to how it runs the scripts. Just thought it did the same as a "sh".
[11:30] <dakotawulfy> Strit so wich one works right the battle.net ??
[11:30] <bela> ?
[11:30] <Strit> dakotawulfy, neverwinter.sh works fine within the .desktop. battlenet.sh does not within .desktop.
[11:30] <dakotawulfy> ok
[11:30] <bela> good luck using linux
[11:31] <racho> Strit, why don't you sprinkle some echoes in between the steps and run it through the desktop file. let's see if runs till end...
[11:31] <bela> back to windows
[11:31] <dakotawulfy> strit make a back up of your battlenet  script
[11:31] <bekks> bela: good luck
[11:32] <dakotawulfy> strit change line
[11:32] <bela> ty
[11:33] <v> hey
[11:33] <v> does anyone know a 2D blue print making software?
[11:33] <dakotawulfy>  strit   try that in the line cd  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)/Battle.net"/
[11:33] <v> dont want something like blender
[11:34] <v> quite difficult to use
[11:34] <bekks> v: then use a cad program and not a rendering software
[11:34] <v> like?
[11:34] <Strit> racho, okay. It seems it stops right after the agent.exe --noauth bit.
[11:34] <dakotawulfy> strit think it some thing to do with the quotes
[11:35] <racho> Strit, so it does not run wine Battle.net.exe &
[11:35] <Strit> dakotawulfy, cd line change didn't do a difference.
[11:35] <Strit> racho, seems that way.
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> strist try this
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> sorry
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> strit
[11:36] <dakotawulfy>  in terminal
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> cd  then cut and paste
[11:36] <racho> Strit, what happens when you run the agent.exe line in a terminal on its own
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net/
[11:36] <racho> does it err
[11:37] <dakotawulfy> strit then enter
[11:37] <dakotawulfy> strit  see if it finds it
[11:38] <Strit> racho, it starts up agent.exe in wine.
[11:39] <Strit> dakotawulfy, didn't find it then.
[11:39] <racho> Strit, hmm... try slapping a '&' on the line so you fork it in the background and the run again the desktop file
[11:39] <dakotawulfy> strit see not finding the dir
[11:39] <SteveBell> racho seems this is not too seldom: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360598/13-10-black-borders-black-terminal
[11:40] <v> can anyone tell me
[11:40] <v> ??
[11:40] <v> a 2D cad softare
[11:40] <v> for linux
[11:40] <dakotawulfy> the quotes are not right some were wine is hard to make links right quotes have to be right
[11:41] <Strit> racho, says no process found: agent.exe. So now it's not even starting that up.
[11:41] <Strit> racho, or that's to the killall command at the end.
[11:42] <dakotawulfy>  Strit have u try to make a link of that file  move the link to the desktop then u should be able to change icon and stuff try that
[11:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> v: qcad?
[11:42] <dakotawulfy> strit to the battle net sh
[11:43] <v> ty
[11:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> v: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCad   there's more at the bottom
[11:45] <Strit> dakotawulfy, didn't work.
[11:45] <v> thanks <Eduard_Munteanu>
[11:45] <dakotawulfy> hole on let me see
[11:45] <dakotawulfy> strit  hold on
[11:47] <dakotawulfy> strit
[11:48] <dakotawulfy> strit try this  cd  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)"/Battle.net/
[11:48] <bingo> hello. in session and startup, what does display chooser on login do?
[11:49] <bekks> bingo: Do you mean "display manager"?
[11:49] <bingo> no, this is for xfce
[11:49] <bingo> if tht matters
[11:50] <bekks> bingo: In the display manager, you enter your credentials to log in...
[11:50] <bingo> bekks, ty
[11:50] <Strit> dakotawulfy, the same
[11:50] <dakotawulfy> ok
[11:52] <dakotawulfy> strit  go to your file browser and give me the dir it says ok
[11:52] <dakotawulfy> strit think i got it
[11:53] <Strit> I'm in the dir /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x64)/Battle.net/ now.
[11:53] <dakotawulfy> stirt cd  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)"/"Battle.net"/
[11:53] <dakotawulfy>  try that\
[11:54] <Strit> dakotawulfy, nope, still the same outcome. :)
[11:54] <SteveBell> racho this indeed fixed the problem with the black terminal and black borders in 13.10 for me :) http://askubuntu.com/questions/360598/13-10-black-borders-black-terminal
[11:54] <SteveBell> just FYI
[11:55] <racho> SteveBell, glad it did but it seems unnatural to installing Mir just to work around that
[11:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there no archive key (fingerprint) provided securely? I was going to debootstrap and get the keys to check ISOs, but even that's impossible without the archive key.
[11:56] <Strit> dakotawulfy, Ran it with cd command in terminal, says it doesn't exist. (with the quotes)
[11:56] <dakotawulfy> qout arent right
[11:56] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: You dont need any archive keys to run md5sum on the ISO and compare it with the md5 sum from the website.
[11:56] <SteveBell> unnatural or not, I'm glad I can now work again ;) racho
[11:56] <dakotawulfy> quotes arent right
[11:57] <dakotawulfy> strit  not finding the dir
[11:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> bekks: yeah, that works, but I wanted to check stronger hashes. Well, assuming the PGP signature digest algo is stronger than MD5. :)
[12:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> They should really post fingerprints on a protected wiki page.
[12:00] <Strit> Well, it does start up the agent.exe one, but does not launch battle.net.exe
[12:01] <OerHeks> Eduard_Munteanu, the md5 hashes are on a protected page > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[12:02] <dakotawulfy> Strit  look at that does that help??
[12:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> OerHeks: yeah, I know, that's what I meant by protected page
[12:02] <agronholm> hi, can someone point out to me how to install the latest coffeescript on ubuntu 13.10?
[12:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> But the GPG keys aren't verifiable in any way AFAIK, unless you already run Ubuntu. Even Debian doesn't have a keyring package for it. :(
[12:03] <dakotawulfy> strit thats what u need
[12:03] <racho> Strit, i suspect because your cwd is not where you think it is. give the absolute path to battle.net.exe
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> agronholm  it's in the repos, use apt-get or the software manager to install it
[12:04] <agronholm> MonkeyDust: nope, that gives me coffeescript 1.4.0
[12:04] <agronholm> not the latest (1.6.3)
[12:04] <agronholm> 1.4.0 does not support source maps
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> agronholm  then you need a ppa or external .deb, but that's not supprted here
[12:04] <agronholm> is there one?
[12:05] <agronholm> a ppa or external .deb?
[12:05] <Strit> dakotawulfy, did not help. :)
[12:05] <agronholm> I tried installing it via npm but that didn't work out -- it wasn't finding the "node" command
[12:05] <Strit> racho, path to it is: /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net/battle.net.exe
[12:06] <dakotawulfy> strit go to terminal see if it find the dir
[12:06] <dakotawulfy> like i did
[12:06] <racho> agronholm, because the guys at ubuntu named it nodejs
[12:07] <racho> you can install it via npm and at the bin directory of coffeescript change the executable from /usr/env/node to /usr/env/nodjs
[12:07] <Strit> dakotawulfy, it can. Just cd'd into it using quotes for "Program Files (x86)" and "Battle.net".
[12:07] <racho> agronholm, or make a symlink from /bin/nodejs to /bin/node
[12:08] <dakotawulfy> strit ok now in the script change your line to it that  and save it
[12:09] <Strit> dakotawulfy, done. Still doesn't work. :(
[12:09] <dakotawulfy> ok
[12:09] <jrtappers> Is there a way to allow "Play to" on tablets to play music on ubuntu, WMP has an allow remote control option that does this
[12:10] <dakotawulfy> strit  see if script still works
[12:10] <dakotawulfy> in terminal
[12:10] <agronholm> racho: ok that worked, thanks
[12:10] <Strit> dakotawulfy, it works when I do ./battlenet.sh from home dir. :)
[12:10] <racho> agronholm, you're welcome
[12:11] <dakotawulfy> ok
[12:12] <dakotawulfy> strit  no try under icon  for the command  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)"/"Battle.net"/
[12:13] <dakotawulfy> strit wait messed up
[12:13] <Strit> dakotawulfy, the icon works fine with my .desktop file now, after I moved it to /home/strit/.icons/
[12:13] <dakotawulfy> so is it working ???
[12:13] <Strit> dakotawulfy, yes, the icon is showing fine for the .desktop file. But the script it should run doesn't run. :)
[12:14] <Guil> Guys, you know if I want to boot Ubuntu from my USB and only want to try it (using the trial feature) will that make any modifications to my PC at all?
[12:14] <Guil> Or will it just allow me to try the OS without any alterations?
[12:14] <dakotawulfy> ok imeant the command for the icon
[12:14] <jrtappers> Guil, That should make no changes
[12:14] <dakotawulfy>  to ecute
[12:14] <dakotawulfy>  execute
[12:14] <Strit> dakotawulfy, you mean a command to execute the .desktop file?
[12:14] <dakotawulfy>  not the path for the icon
[12:14] <Guil> jrtappers and to finish using the trial is it just as simple as restarting the PC without the USB in?
[12:14] <dakotawulfy> strit
[12:15] <Guil> And then everything is back to normal?
[12:15] <jrtappers> Guil, Yes, if it is a live CD
[12:15] <dakotawulfy>  i dont like .desktop files
[12:15] <jrtappers> *Live USB
[12:15] <dakotawulfy>  i make all my scripts and put them into /usr/bin
[12:15] <Strit> dakotawulfy, well, that's what I'm using.
[12:16] <fishcooker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311906/
[12:16] <Strit> dakotawulfy, I like having icons to press in my Unity bar for easy acces, instead of running commands from terminal all the time. :)
[12:16] <dakotawulfy> strit  i think it harder
[12:16] <fishcooker> what is the meaning of "S1"
[12:16] <Strit> dakotawulfy, It's only been harder with Battle.net. The others worl flawlessly.
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> fishcooker  sl means sleep
[12:16] <dakotawulfy> yea can see i kinda little out of date u dont use unity
[12:17] <dakotawulfy>  dont like it
[12:17] <jrtappers> Any ideas for DNLA play to?
[12:17] <dakotawulfy> ok
[12:17] <fishcooker> it means dont those transmissioncli is not active, MonkeyDust
[12:17] <fishcooker> ?
[12:18] <dakotawulfy>  strit let try something still not working right ??
[12:20] <Guil> When trying to put the ISO on to my USB to make it bootable, which version of Ubuntu 12.04 should I choose? I'm not sure which differentiates each of them, I just know it was 12.04 LTS that I DL'd from the  website
[12:20] <Guil> http://gyazo.com/f7c127206b8025b0fdfa30889f4a357f
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> Guil  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[12:21] <OerHeks> Guil,  take the 12.04.3 > http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[12:21] <Guil> Check the Gyazo link I posted, I'm trying to use PendriveLinux to put on to my USB
[12:22] <OerHeks> saves some time updating
[12:22] <Guil> http://gyazo.com/f7c127206b8025b0fdfa30889f4a357f
[12:22] <jrtappers> Guil, You can download from the site and then click browse
[12:23] <jrtappers> That way you get the one from the site, but instead of Universal Boot Installer I would probably recommend YUMI, I find it a bit better
[12:23] <jrtappers> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[12:24] <Guil> But you know on the drop down list of distros on UBI, what is the difference between "Desktop i386", "Desktop amd64", "DVD i386" and "DVD amd64"
[12:25] <jrtappers> i386 = 32 bit, amd64 = 64 bit
[12:25] <reisio> dvd = more than you need
[12:25] <Guil> So if I've got the 64 bit I should go for Desktop amd64
[12:25] <Guil> Thanks
[12:26] <reisio> yup
[12:26] <jrtappers> Yes
[12:32] <shadowdf> j #ubuntu-br
[12:32] <shadowdf> #join ubuntu-br
[12:35] <mikolaj_> I can't tell if the ubuntu on/off switches means something is turned on or off
[12:35] <subz3r0> --> /join #ubuntu-br
[12:35] <DaemonicApathy> mikolaj_: If you see "On", it's on.
[12:36] <DaemonicApathy> Also, it is usually orange in that case.
[12:39] <mikolaj_> but the switch is in the opposite position of the label
[12:40] <mikolaj_> so if I put the switch in the "OFF" position, then the button says ON
[12:40] <DaemonicApathy> What it says is an indicator, not a target.
[12:41] <WIlli-Smith> please how can I set root folder on apache 2.4?
[12:41] <DaemonicApathy> mikolaj_: So, by default, switch to the right = On, switch to the left = Off.
[12:41] <reisio> WIlli-Smith: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[12:42] <reisio> oh 2.4, hrmm
[12:42] <reisio> WIlli-Smith: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#documentroot
[12:42] <mikolaj_> it's poorly designed in any case
[12:42] <ndroftheline> hi can someone tell me what the boot flag is to do a media integrity check? it's not on my menu because i used yumi to make my bootable usb
[12:42] <shafeeq> does ubuntu on a fresh install contain 'unity' package?
[12:43] <DaemonicApathy> shafeeq: As of 11.04, yes.
[12:43] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: DocumentRoot
[12:43] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#documentroot
[12:43] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: you for real? :p
[12:44] <shafeeq> DaemonicApathy,  is it any different if i remove and then install it? i tried installing cinnamon, somehow unity was removed. i reinstalled it and now it's too slow
[12:44] <WIlli-Smith> the problem is when I want to change root folder from /var/www to /home/william/http , in browser error 403 will show
[12:44] <reisio> ndroftheline: media?
[12:44] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: lol sorry, concentrating on something else :P
[12:44] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: booze I bet! :p
[12:44] <reisio> which reminds me...
[12:44] <ndroftheline> reisio: yeah to check the integrity of the installation media
[12:44] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: unfortunately not
[12:44] <ndroftheline> yeah sorry i meant intstallation media integrity check
[12:44] <reisio> ndroftheline: before imaging?
[12:45] <ndroftheline> reisio: before installation
[12:45] <DaemonicApathy> shafeeq: That depends on what else is running, and if anything made to work with Unity is missing.
[12:45] <reisio> ndroftheline: but after imaging? That'd be neat if there were such a flag
[12:45] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: did you give permissions with the Directory directive?
[12:45] <ndroftheline> reisio: yeah, burn a ubuntu cdrom and it will give you three options on booting live, run live, install, and media check
[12:45] <shafeeq> DaemonicApathy, compiz seems to take much of the cpu.
[12:45] <reisio> oh neat
[12:46] <ndroftheline> reisio: i used yumi to make a bootable usb instead of burning a cd (no optical) but yumi eliminated the last entry, so i can't use it
[12:46] <reisio> shafeeq: don't have to use it
[12:46] <leif_> what is the name of the libery that allow playing dvd in eu
[12:46] <ndroftheline> i want to know the boot flag to start a media check from the livecd
[12:46] <reisio> ndroftheline: mmm, there might be two menus, one from yumi and one from the install media, seen that before
[12:46] <ndroftheline> installation media* check
[12:46] <shafeeq> reisio, compiz
[12:46] <reisio> leif_: libdvdread? libdvdcss?
[12:46] <reisio> shafeeq: compiz
[12:46] <shafeeq> reisio, compiz?*
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: compiz?*
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: what about it?
[12:47] <leif_> gonna try those
[12:47] <reisio> leif_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[12:47] <leif_> :)
[12:47] <shafeeq> reisio, you mean, i can use unity without compiz?
[12:47] <WIlli-Smith> I guess there is a permission problem but I dont know how config it
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: technically yes, but you might want to not use both
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: Xfce can get you all the same appearances, except possibly the global menu, dunno about that
[12:47] <WIlli-Smith> what is Directory derective
[12:48] <reisio> WIlli-Smith: maybe you should talk to #httpd
[12:48] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#directory   read the docs
[12:49] <tvillerealest> im new to this type stuff (programming) will yall be able to help me f i need help with something?
[12:49] <reisio> tvillerealest: yup
[12:50] <shafeeq> DaemonicApathy, the default unity works without compiz?
[12:50] <reisio> shafeeq: there's another version that doesn't use compiz
[12:50] <WIlli-Smith> ok, but I dont understatd why apache run under root hasnt permissiont to open user's folder ~/http
[12:50] <DaemonicApathy> shafeeq: Never tried it that way - I don't use Unity, personally.
[12:50] <reisio> but unity without compiz is just three ordinary panels, you can get that from almost any DE
[12:50] <shafeeq> reisio, how can i get it?
[12:51] <reisio> shafeeq: unity-2d
[12:53] <Lartza> Hmm.. I'm removing nginx and php5 to do a clean LAMP install but for some reason apache2-mpm-prefork and apache2.2-common get marked for install in the remove?
[12:53] <j_elly> hi
[12:54] <bekks> Lartza: Then remove everything that requires apache.
[12:54] <chro> my keyboard is not working after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10. What can I do?
[12:54] <Lartza> bekks, It seems something requires php5 and if that is removed it requires apache? (probably php5-common vs apache2.2-common?)
[12:54] <Lartza> But I don't know what
[12:55] <cfhowlett> j_elly, greetings
[12:55] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: its an internal permission thing for security, so if you're running a dodgy php app, it does not have permission to ... lets say ... pass your credentials or ssh keys, or ssl keys and certs, or anything else that should not be blindly given access to. It protects your server from some vulnerabilities in your php apps. again i must say tho, read the docs. you should not really be blindly configging apache as its too easy to open
[12:55] <hitsujiTMO>  up security holes with the wrong config.
[12:55] <tvillerealest> There is no 64-bit install for skype is there?
[12:55] <reisio> tvillerealest: should be
[12:55] <bekks> Lartza: It seems more like php5 requires a webserver, either ngibx or apache.
[12:56] <j_elly> hi <cfhowlett>
[12:56] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: i think its a multiarch installer
[12:56] <tvillerealest> hitsujiTMO: Thats on the skype website?
[12:57] <reisio> tvillerealest: probably, but there should be a .deb
[12:57] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: yup
[12:57] <reisio> tvillerealest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[12:57] <tvillerealest> thanks guys
[12:57] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: there's 10.04 32bit or 12.04 multiarch
[12:58] <tvillerealest> hitsujiTMO: i tried the 32-bit the other day it wouldnt work
[13:00] <SpineEyE> I have a question: when typing "git commit -a" i get into git's vi editor. when i then press escape and type in ":q", something about lisp debug mode shows up. I can not close vi
[13:00] <Lartza> bekks, I only have php5-common and php5-cli now, removing cli marks 'apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 php5' for install and common is dependency of cli
[13:01] <bekks> Lartza: Then uninstall php5-common and php5-cli ...
[13:01] <Lartza> that tells me that libapache2-mod-php5 needs common but is not marked for install
[13:01] <SpineEyE> can someone help me close the editor?
[13:01] <chro> my keyboard is not working after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10. What can I do?
[13:01] <reisio> SpineEyE: :q
[13:02] <reisio> SpineEyE: do it again
[13:03] <Lartza> phpmailer... solved :)
[13:05] <SpineEyE> http://i.imgur.com/zxqGPy6.png
[13:05] <SpineEyE> http://i.imgur-com/zxgGPy6.png
[13:05] <reisio> http://www.i.imgur.com/zxgGPy6.png perhapse?
[13:06] <SpineEyE> http://i.imgur.com/zxgGPy6.png sorry, this is it
[13:06] <reisio> SpineEyE: did you try :q again?
[13:06] <SpineEyE> i can't type anything
[13:06] <SpineEyE> only ESC gets me out
[13:07] <SpineEyE> gets this message away
[13:07] <SpineEyE> and then im back in editing mode
[13:07] <reisio> :q quits
[13:07] <SpineEyE> :q brings this picture up
[13:07] <SpineEyE> in normal vi i can quit
[13:07] <reisio> SpineEyE: sure you don't have capslock on or something?
[13:07] <reisio> this isn't normal vi?
[13:07] <SpineEyE> only in git vi it's like htis
[13:07] <reisio> ah
[13:08] <reisio> what about :q! or :cq
[13:08] <reisio> or SHIFT+zz
[13:09] <SpineEyE> doesn't work
[13:10] <SpineEyE> shit+zz just types in ZZ
[13:10] <reisio> SpineEyE: you have capslock on
[13:10] <SpineEyE> no
[13:10] <reisio> LIES!
[13:10] <SpineEyE> with capslock it types in zz
[13:10] <reisio> can you close the window?
[13:10] <SpineEyE> yes
[13:11] <SpineEyE> i can just do git commit -a -m "bla"
[13:11] <SpineEyE> but without -m it's broken
[13:11] <reisio> well I'd talk to #git about that
[13:11] <SpineEyE> ok
[13:11] <SpineEyE> i try there
[13:11] <SpineEyE> thanks
[13:11] <reisio> or tell it to use another editor, which is almost certainly an option
[13:12] <gordonjcp> SpineEyE: "broken" in what sense?
[13:12] <SpineEyE> how to do that?
[13:12] <SpineEyE> well i can't insert any command
[13:12] <reisio> what's echo $EDITOR say?
[13:13] <SpineEyE> oh thats maybe the problem :D
[13:13] <SpineEyE> emacs -nw
[13:13] <reisio> huh
[13:13] <reisio> I admit I haven't used Emacs in so long
[13:13] <gordonjcp> SpineEyE: it uses nano by default, or the contents of $EDITOR otherwise
[13:13] <reisio> but it does make sense, re: Lisp
[13:14] <reisio> so yeah, probably Emacs and not vi/m at all, heh
[13:14] <reisio> SpineEyE: CTRL+x, CTRL+c then
[13:14] <SpineEyE> thank you :D
[13:15] <nenya>  b
[13:15] <reisio> nenya: I concur
[13:16] <SpineEyE> a linux noob learns something new every 5 minutes at least
[13:16] <SpineEyE> see you
[13:17] <reisio> I can learn you more than that, but we'll need a canoe and a mop
[13:17] <compdoc> learn me!
[13:17] <reisio> compdoc: you're not ready :p
[13:17] <compdoc> :(
[13:17] <reisio> now you're ready
[13:17] <compdoc> lol
[13:17] <reisio> this hasn't anything to do with Egyptians, friend
[13:18] <reisio> haha
[13:18] <Vivekananda> hello eveyrone. reisio howdy. If I already have windows and ubuntu 12.04 and I want to reinstall windows it will overwrite the grub
[13:18] <Vivekananda> how do I save an restore it ?
[13:18] <tvillerealest> does anyone know how to install multiarch?
[13:18] <reisio> Vivekananda: from your Ubuntu install media
[13:18] <reisio> Vivekananda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:18] <reisio> tvillerealest: install what?
[13:19] <tvillerealest> MultiArch
[13:19] <reisio> Vivekananda: 2nd option there
[13:19] <k1l_> tvillerealest: multiarch is not something you install. its already included in ubuntu
[13:19] <tvillerealest> oh
[13:19] <tvillerealest> i feel dumb now
[13:19] <reisio> tvillerealest: :)
[13:19] <k1l_> tvillerealest: no need to.
[13:20] <razzledazzle> hello guys, is it possible to edit windows boot entries from Ubuntu?
[13:20] <razzledazzle> I locked myself out of Windows
[13:20] <reisio> razzledazzle: to what end
[13:20] <tvillerealest> im new to this so ur gonna have to cut me some slack
[13:20] <reisio> razzledazzle: locked?
[13:20] <bekks> razzledazzle: define "locked out" please.
[13:20] <razzledazzle> I'll explain
[13:20]  * reisio gets popped corn
[13:20]  * rypervenche grabs a handfull.
[13:20] <razzledazzle> I installed crunchbang, the installer did its thing with GRUB2, it was normal
[13:21] <reisio> razzledazzle: ooh
[13:21] <razzledazzle> however, when it booted Windows 7 boot menu showed up
[13:21] <bekks> razzledazzle: What does "locked out of windows"?
[13:21] <k1l_> tvillerealest: if you have some issues just ask specific questions with details in here :)
[13:21] <reisio> a boot menu when you booted? That sounds awful
[13:21] <razzledazzle> and there was no crunchbang to be seen just windows options
[13:21] <bekks> *mean
[13:21] <reisio> razzledazzle: does windows boot?
[13:21] <razzledazzle> yes, it does
[13:21] <reisio> razzledazzle: okay, sounds like your grub.cfg is just off
[13:22] <reisio> razzledazzle: boot a live OS and come back here
[13:22] <tvillerealest> Ok in that case, do i have to enable multiarch. Im using unity does that make a difference?
[13:22] <razzledazzle> I continued with Windows and then added Crunchbang with EasyBCD
[13:22] <k1l_> razzledazzle: just ask the crunchbang support what they changed that could cause this problem
[13:22] <razzledazzle> its a Linux thing, it should be solvable
[13:22] <reisio> tvillerealest: multiarch means dealing with more than one arch, it's not something you have to opt into or be aware of afaik
[13:22] <k1l_> razzledazzle: or ask in ##linux
[13:23] <reisio> razzledazzle: easybcd still needs grub functioning properly
[13:23] <Vivekananda> reisio: after installing it on the boot cd it does not recommend to first create a boot backup
[13:23] <razzledazzle> Let me explain guys, the weird part is that when I chose Crunchbang on the boot selection, GRUB2 would show up with Windows there
[13:23] <k1l_> tvillerealest: multiarch is enabled by default. so if you install something its already in mulltiarch
[13:23] <UrielVigilant> wich app i should use to synch ubuntu 13.10 and my tablet android icecream sanwich ?
[13:23] <reisio> Vivekananda: so?
[13:23] <subz3r0> UrielVigilant: rsync
[13:23] <tvillerealest> that makes sense
[13:23] <razzledazzle> so I thought if I choose Windows in that GRUB2 menu, Windows would normally start and I set the Windows boot selection wait time to 0
[13:24] <reisio> razzledazzle: it's weird, you need to fix your grub cfg
[13:24] <Vivekananda> reisio: so where is the backup created which will be restored
[13:24] <UrielVigilant> subz3r0: thank you
[13:24] <reisio> UrielVigilant: sync what exactly?
[13:24] <k1l_> razzledazzle: ask the crunchbang support!
[13:24] <reisio> Vivekananda: you don't really need a backup
[13:24] <razzledazzle> okay, I shut up
[13:24] <razzledazzle> thanks guys.
[13:24] <UrielVigilant> reisio: synch data and apps etc . .
[13:24] <Vivekananda> really ? but I remember that earlier versions of ubutu required to create a back up and restore it
[13:25] <reisio> UrielVigilant: try andftp, you can use it with sshd (on Ubuntu)
[13:25] <reisio> over wireless
[13:25] <Vivekananda> grub 1 mostly
[13:25] <bekks> Vivekananda: No, grub 1 never required that.
[13:25] <reisio> Vivekananda: you don't really need a backup of the mbr, but I can tell you how to make one if you like
[13:25] <UrielVigilant> reisio: what it is sshd ?
[13:25] <subz3r0> reisio: pretty nice app. especialla the ADS inside
[13:25] <subz3r0> sshDaemon
[13:25] <reisio> UrielVigilant: sshd is the ssh daemon, it's the ordinary way to access Unix systems remotely
[13:25] <reisio> subz3r0: what?
[13:26] <subz3r0> reisio: like i said... pretty nice app... especially the ADS ...
[13:26] <UrielVigilant> reisio: kind of -           sudo apt-get install andftp         ?
[13:26] <reisio> subz3r0: what do you like about ads?
[13:26] <reisio> UrielVigilant: andftp would be for and-roid
[13:26] <reisio> and sshd for ubuntu
[13:27] <UrielVigilant> reisio: thank you
[13:27] <subz3r0> reisio: you didnt get it, do you?
[13:27] <reisio> subz3r0: not yet
[13:27] <subz3r0> andsmb, and ftp is crap!
[13:27] <subz3r0> andftp
[13:27] <reisio> it's not crap, does exactly what it says it does
[13:27] <subz3r0> reisio: so any reason why not using rync?
[13:28] <reisio> and I don't recall any ads, either
[13:28] <reisio> subz3r0: why not using rsync on android?
[13:28] <subz3r0> reisio: thats maybe because your phone is rooted and youre using a firewall
[13:28] <reisio> subz3r0: maybe in a world other than this one
[13:28] <reisio> android is about ads, though
[13:29] <reisio> so I'm sure he's used to them, even though andftp hasn't any IME
[13:32] <g105b> Is there any way I can re-add my user to root without rebooting? I'm ok with logging off, but I can't reboot.
[13:32] <g105b> (the root group)
[13:32] <subz3r0> g105b: you dont need to reboot
[13:32] <subz3r0> relogin should does the trick
[13:33] <g105b> subz3r0: I have tried, hasn't done it... I accidentally forgot the -a flag on usermod ... removed main user from all groups :S
[13:33] <reisio> g105b: su - user
[13:33] <reisio> oh
[13:33] <UrielVigilant> Do you think it worse to use Ubuntu in our tablets like end users ? Will be possible to install ubuntu on a samsung gt-s8500 that comes with BADA ?
[13:33] <reisio> so you can't sudo?
[13:33] <g105b> reisio: correct
[13:33] <reisio> UrielVigilant: bada?
[13:33] <WinstonSmith> hi. on newer kernels my laptop keyboard does not work. i have a keybord device in /proc/bus/input/devices and udev generates input and event files in /sys/class/input. any ideas why the keyboard does not work? or where i could look for pointers?
[13:34] <reisio> ah bada
[13:34] <reisio> UrielVigilant: it depends on the hardware and more importantly whether it has any secure boot
[13:34] <reisio> g105b: no, you'd have to reboot
[13:34] <k1l_> UrielVigilant: for ubuntu-touch questions better ask in #ubuntu-touch
[13:34] <reisio> g105b: unless you gave root a password
[13:34] <subz3r0> g105b: "sudo adduser username root" then "newgrp root"
[13:35] <NuSuey> how can I add   Option     "SWCursor"       "ON in 13.10? o.O thought if it would help me to deal with the dissapearing mouse problem during wine -  games
[13:35] <reisio> g105b: or if you still have a term open from before you removed the groups
[13:35] <g105b> subz3r0: but ... it needs sudo?
[13:35] <UrielVigilant> reisio: thank you veru much
[13:35] <subz3r0> g105b: no other user addet which is added to /etc/sudoers file?
[13:35] <subz3r0> t/d
[13:35] <g105b> I was wondering if there was any root command automatically run on login that I could add the line to?
[13:36] <reisio> g105b: you can get root at login, after a reboot
[13:37] <reisio> g105b: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto#How_do_I_enter_single-user_mode.3F
[13:37] <g105b> reisio: how do i do that?
[13:37] <reisio> just said
[13:38] <kaun> Hello!
[13:38] <g105b> reisio: after a reboot ... then what?
[13:38] <reisio> 'This hasn't changed. Choose the "(recovery mode)" option from GRUB; add "-s", "S" or "single" to the kernel command-line; or from a running machine, run "telinit 1" or "shutdown now". '
[13:38] <cfhowlett> kaun, greetings!
[13:38] <reisio> kaun: hi
[13:39] <kaun> Atm. i am trying to install Ubuntu on my computer, but i am having a big problem, can some one here help? :-) Mvh
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !details|kaun,
[13:41] <g105b> Because I have encrypted FS, holding shift doesn't get into the grub menu ... any ideas?
[13:42] <kaun> I have downloaded Ubuntu and burned it to a disc, but when i reboot my computer and choose ubuntu start up instead of windows. It gives me an error
[13:42] <k1l_> kaun: which error?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> kaun, what error.  details matter.
[13:44] <kaun> When i choosed Ubuntu it said something like windows couldn't start, this can becaused by a change in the hardware and software
[13:44] <cfhowlett> kaun, that's a windows error, not an ubuntu error.
[13:44] <cfhowlett> kaun, wait
[13:44]  * cfhowlett hates to ask but ...
[13:44] <Guest61630> kaun, boot from the drive
[13:44] <cfhowlett> kaun, did you use the windows installer??
[13:45] <kaun> No i did not. Listen. When i installed the ubuntu and rebooted my computer, it gives me 3 options. Windows - Unetbooting - Ubuntu.
[13:46] <kaun> So i choose Ubuntu
[13:46] <kaun> And i guess there's a problem with my computer from before i tried to install it?
[13:46] <cfhowlett> kaun, screenshots please.
[13:46] <Guest61630> kaun, when booting your windows machine you press f7 and boot ubuntu from the drive and follow the install instructions
[13:47] <Naczelnik> Hi. Yesterday I upgraded ubuntu to 13.10. This repair hibernation/sleep when I close my laptop, but I got error as in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871634 . What I should do? Where go? How diagnostic it?
[13:48] <kaun> Guest61630: I will try to press F7 and see what happends.           cfhowlett: I will try to take a screenshot if i am able to, i can't i will write down everything that it says :-) Brb 5 mins.
[13:48] <Naczelnik> I don't know why is it closed if nobody resolve this problem.
[13:52] <Lisa201> OMG!  What's going on with Ubuntu?  I just loaded 13.10, and there's huge delays everywhere!
[13:53] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, it happens.  wait and try later
[13:53] <Lisa201> I mean on my own system...
[13:53] <Lisa201> I was running Kubuntu, and it was nice, so I thought I'd try the standard 13.10
[13:53] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, my crystal ball says ... no details, no analysis
[13:53] <Lisa201> Just loggin in takes what seems forever now.
[13:54] <Lisa201> Opening any apps is slow...
[13:54] <Lisa201> Tried the Unity desktop, slow...
[13:54] <Lisa201> Tried KDE... slow
[13:54] <Lisa201> Tried Gnome3... slow...
[13:55] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, yeah, see, the thing is, since you've provided no critical details, no one is going to help you so ... details here or gripe elsewhere.
[13:55] <k1l_> Lisa201: this is a technical support channel. so if you have a specific support question ask it. dont misuse this channel for ranting
[13:56] <Lisa201> OK, well if I knew WHY it was slow, I'd just fix it... thought maybe you guys would have an over-all clue.
[13:56] <dustin_> Hey, I'm having a problem with Debian that I can't work out. I'm not getting much of a response on their channel. Basically my wireless doesn't work - I had to install the ipw2200 drivers, but beyond that I don't know what to do. I've never had to set up a network interface before. Can anybody help?
[13:56] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: what's the spec of the machine you're on?
[13:56] <cfhowlett> !details|Lisa201,
[13:56] <cfhowlett> dustin_, debian support this ain't
[13:56] <Lisa201> Dell laptop 8G i7.
[13:56] <subz3r0> Lisa201: no wonder that its freakin slow you your 286 PC
[13:56] <Lisa201> 17" gtx550M graphics
[13:56] <subz3r0> Lisa201: i would upgrade to 2 MB of RAM
[13:57] <Lisa201> I have 8 G now...
[13:57] <dustin_> cfhowlett: I realize this
[13:57] <dhanya> I am just a beginner in Ubuntu contribution. Can anyone explain or define what the Upstream tar is and what it is used for ? I googled it but it didn't help.
[13:57] <cfhowlett> subz3r0, 286 with i7?  serioulsy?
[13:58] <subz3r0> cfhowlett: did i mention that?
[13:58] <gordonjcp> dhanya: it's the tarball from whoever wrote the package
[13:58] <kaun> Hello i am back
[13:58] <cfhowlett> kaun, what's the word?
[13:58] <Guest61630> kaun, and?
[13:58] <Lisa201> I guess I'll back down to Ubuntu 12.04... It was way faster,
[13:58] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: 13.10 works okay for me, but I did find I needed to use a fairly chunky machine
[13:59] <Lisa201> chunky?
[13:59] <Guest61630> chunky?
[13:59] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: now I've got 2GB of RAM in my 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo, it's fine
[13:59] <simbo> hey guys. How can I download all packages of Ubuntu via my terminal ?
[13:59] <Guest61630> get-apt update
[13:59] <kaun> I tried to press F7 and it said: "Reboot and select boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[13:59] <Lisa201> Exactly, my system is way faster than yours, so what's with my slow Ubuntu?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> simbo, sudo apt-get packagename is the format
[13:59] <yeats> simbo: what do you mean by "all packages of Ubuntu"?
[13:59] <Guest61630> kaun, thatś ok
[13:59] <kaun> I couldn't take a screenshot, but i toke one with my phone.
[13:59] <v> Zorin Os7 vs Linux Mint 15 (cinnamon edition)
[13:59] <kaun> And here's what it said
[14:00] <Guest61630> kaun, did you select your drive?
[14:00] <simbo> yeats: The source code, the branches
[14:00] <k1l_> v ask that comparison in ##linux
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> simbo  use apt-get install in the terminal
[14:00] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: no idea, you must be doing something wrong
[14:00] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: what kind of graphics card?
[14:00] <v> kll  : on freenode?
[14:00] <cfhowlett> !mint|v
[14:00] <Lisa201> It was a fresh reload... formatted the / partition etc.
[14:00] <k1l_> Lisa201: drivers for the video card installed?
[14:01] <simbo> monkeydust: this wont give me the actual branches will it ?
[14:01] <Lisa201> There are no drivers for the gtx55m card... but it has run well with the Intel video drivers.
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> simbo  what do you want to achieve?
[14:01] <k1l_> Lisa201: so its a hybrid laptop? did you install bumblebee?
[14:01] <kaun> It said windows couldnt start it could be because of a change in the hardware of software and it tells me to solve the problem by putting windows disc into my drive.
[14:01] <k1l_> !bumblebee | Lisa201
[14:01] <v> cannot send anything to the channel ,?
[14:02] <k1l_> v for freenode support ask in #freenode
[14:02] <Lisa201> l Played with bumblebee before, but don't really need it.
[14:02] <Lisa201> I*
[14:02] <Guest61630> kaun, ok then you have a problem with your drive
[14:02] <kaun> Guest61630: How do i select my drive? i only have one :-)
[14:02] <cfhowlett> kaun, yep THAT is a windows error message.  If you're getting THAT on selecting ubuntu then something somewhere failed.
[14:02] <simbo> get the sourcecode to my local machine to optimize some stuff. As it's just a test, I don't want to use launchpad (cause my modifications will probably not be very useful to others)
[14:02] <Guest61630> nothing to do with windows or ubuntu
[14:02] <k1l_> Lisa201: if you have a intel and a nvidia card you need bumblebee if you dont set to one video card only in the bios
[14:02] <v> ok.
[14:03] <Lisa201> Ya, my bios doesn't have the slection, so I just use the Intel side.
[14:03] <cfhowlett> kaun, easy way to test:make another ubuntu USB and try again.
[14:03] <kaun> Okay i though so.. Do you nice guys maybe have a soloution for a problem like this?
[14:03] <Lisa201> I'm not complaining about the graphics, just how long programs take to load etc.
[14:03] <Guest61630> kaun, after you press f7 when booting, you can choose (with the arrows) to boot your machine from the disk or from your cd rom drive or usb drive etc.
[14:03] <k1l_> Lisa201: that can be a symptome of wrong video drivers
[14:03] <MonkeyDust> simbo  use apt-get source to get the source code
[14:04] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, xubuntu and lubuntu are "lighter" and would probably speed things along.  Not quite so much eye candy though
[14:04] <kaun> Cfhowlett: should i pyt the file onto a usb?
[14:04] <yeats> simbo: see 'man apt-get' source section for details
[14:04] <Lisa201> ok, maybe the intel one changed from 12.10 and the other distro's I've used.
[14:04] <Guest61630> if you get the problem you mention, then your cd rom drive is faulty
[14:04] <kaun> Guest: No i dont get that options
[14:04] <kaun> It just says what i told wrote you before :-)
[14:04] <cfhowlett> !usb|kaun, "put the file"?  ooookay, you need to create a bootable USB
[14:04] <Guest61630> kaun, that is not possible.... you should be able to press (and hold!!) f7
[14:04] <Lisa201> I used to boot Ubuntu 12.04 in about 15 seconds to the logon prompt.
[14:05] <Guest61630> then you will get a small blue screen with booting options
[14:05] <Lisa201> Now it's like a minute and a half.
[14:05] <Guest61630> disk / drive / usb / 2nd disk etc
[14:05] <yeats> !bootchart | Lisa201
[14:05] <yeats> Lisa201: ^^ that will show you what's taking so long with boot time
[14:05] <Lisa201> OK!  Great, how do I use it exactly?
[14:06] <yeats> Lisa201: install the package and reboot
[14:06] <kaun> cfhowlett, i will look at those links and see how i will do it :-)
[14:06] <kaun> Guest61630: I haven't tried holding it down. Maybe i should go
[14:06] <cfhowlett> kaun, what windows version by the way?
[14:06] <kaun> Windows 7
[14:07] <Guest61630> yes kaun, try again, press f7 untill you get options
[14:07] <cfhowlett> kaun, really shouldn't be choking up.  I'm guessing you scrambled things somewhere. see the dual boot link
[14:07] <cfhowlett> !dualboot
[14:07] <Lisa201> OK, installed bootchart... so I just reboot and then enter that command in a root terminal?
[14:09] <Lisa201> I'll go try it...
[14:09] <MarkDavis> Hi
[14:09] <Lisa201> Thanks!
[14:09] <yeats> Lisa201: no - it creates a graphic that will be in /var/log/bootchart
[14:09] <cipherboy> Currently I am having problems with my intrenet adapters. One is a wired connection to the router, which works fine, except ifconfig and conky do not display any usage stats (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312474/) .  My wireless adapter cannot connect to the network, and it seems to be spamming dmesg (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312470/). Ideas?
[14:09] <Lisa201> so just run bootchart when I'm logged back on?
[14:09] <WinstonSmith> to whom it may concern: solution was to add i8042.nopnp to my kernel boot options
[14:09] <yeats> Lisa201: no ;-) it will run as you boot and create the chart automatically
[14:09] <MarkDavis> I want to burn a disc with ubuntu, but I also want to have the session left open. Do I have to check any special options?
[14:09] <MarkDavis> with K3b, that is
[14:10] <MarkDavis> There is: Multi-session mode - auto
[14:10] <Lisa201> Ya, I mean to see the results?
[14:10] <Guest61630> MarkDavis, no you should be fine.
[14:10] <yeats> Lisa201: open the file manager and browse to /var/log/bootchart
[14:10] <MarkDavis> Guest61630: thank
[14:10] <MarkDavis> thanks
[14:10] <Lisa201> rgr, thanks!
[14:11] <kaun> Okay, i'll try reboot and hold down F7 first, if that doesn't make i'll try the USB :-) How does that sound?
[14:11] <Guest61630> like a plan kaun
[14:11] <Guest61630> ;)
[14:13] <chro> my keyboard is not working after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10. What can I do?
[14:14] <Guest61630> chro, tried *tchecking eayboard layout top right corner?
[14:14] <cfhowlett> !mactel>me
[14:15] <chro> no
[14:15] <chro> but it's not the layout
[14:15] <sha1sum> chro: is this a built-in laptop keyboard or an external keyboard of some sort?
[14:16] <chro> sha1sum, built-in keyboard. It does not work with the latest kernel, just with the 3.8
[14:16] <chro> I have to go to the advanced boot options
[14:16] <kaun> So i tried to hold down F7 in every screen i could get, and nothing happend at all :-(
[14:16] <kaun> I'll give the USB a try :-)
[14:17] <cipherboy> Ideas on networking problems?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> cipherboy, details, people, DETAILS!
[14:18] <cipherboy> cfhowlett: Currently I am having problems with my intrenet adapters. One is a wired connection to the router, which works fine, except ifconfig and conky do not display any usage stats (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312474/) .  My wireless adapter cannot connect to the network, and it seems to be spamming dmesg (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312470/). Ideas?
[14:18] <chro> sha1sum, this is what happens to me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/362402/usb-keyboard-does-not-load-after-13-10-upgrade
[14:18] <sha1sum> chro: what kernel version are you using?
[14:18] <sha1sum> (the broken one)
[14:18] <everald> Hello. How do I report a bug (segfaulting python app, openshot) in Ubuntu? I know Debian very well, there you would use reportbug, but that's not in Ubuntu it seems?
[14:18] <chro> sha1sum, 3.8.0-31-generic
[14:18] <cfhowlett> cipherboy, does it fail only on this connection or ALL wifi connections?
[14:19] <chro> sha1sum, the broken one is the latest 3.11
[14:19] <cfhowlett> !bug|everald,
[14:19] <chro> 3.11.0-12-generic
[14:19] <cipherboy> But sure: 13.10, 3.11.0-12-generic, AMD64. Devices: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312520/
[14:20] <cipherboy> cfhowlett: There are two separate routers in range, fails on connecting to both. Windows 8.1 works to connect. Its a desktop, so I can't exactly move it to test other networks.
[14:20] <everald> Does launchpad use the same password as Ubuntu One?
[14:21] <chro> sha1sum, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1238194
[14:21] <cfhowlett> cipherboy, ow.  OK, good description!  Ask also on #ubuntu-server if no solution in this channel
[14:21] <everald> I guess the answer is no.
[14:21] <sha1sum> chro: do you have an external keyboard you can use to get debug output?
[14:22] <chro> sha1sum, no I don't have :\
[14:22] <cfhowlett> everald, it can be configured to do so.  just use your open ID on all such accounts and you're golden
[14:23] <ddshore> I'm trying to resize an encrypted partition, but the instructions I'm following (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions) changed from using 5G to 5.6G.  Does anyone know if this change is accidental?
[14:23] <aadeesh> Hello. I installed 13.10 AMD64 dual booting with Windows 7 64bit. The wallpaper remains only black and is not changed from Appearance settings. The wallpaper is updated on the lock screen but not when logged in. Any help?
[14:23] <racho> cipherboy, maybe relevant to your situation https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1244866
[14:25] <sha1sum> chro: hmmm... You might be looking at bugs that are not the same as the ones you're experiencing. Might be the same, or might not, but you'd need to get some debug information *while booted into* the broken kernel, and the only way I can think of to do that is to find an external keyboard to use.
[14:26] <chro> sha1sum, ok I will try to do that
[14:26] <chro> rebooting...
[14:26] <chro> brb
[14:28] <cipherboy> racho: Interesting, seems I have a number of similar lines in syslog including (<info> (wlan0): device state change: config -> failed (reason 'SSID not found') [50 120 53])
[14:29] <sha1sum> aadeesh: I use kde, but possibly this will help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/262373/why-cant-i-change-the-wallpaper-in-gnome-shell-and-unity
[14:30] <cuddylier> Is it possible to zip multiple files into a single zip archive?
[14:30] <cuddylier> I can only find the command to zip a folder or a single file
[14:30] <cfhowlett> cuddylier, of course!
[14:30] <cuddylier> How would I do it? I can't find the command anywhere on google
[14:31] <aadeesh> sha1sum: I'll check that. But I faced a similar problem with 12.04.3 but that got resolved by chown my \home.
[14:32] <cipherboy> Currently installing the latest 3.12.0 and 3.11.6 kernels off the ppa.
[14:32] <jack> cuddylier, zip fullpath/bla fullpath/blurp
[14:32] <cuddylier> Would that zip only the files inside that path rather than all the folders as well?
[14:32] <jack> gives youoe .zip with bothfiles
[14:32] <sha1sum> cuddylier: I just took a look on the man page for the zip command and it looks like "zip -u" (-u for update)
[14:32] <jack> *one
[14:32] <sha1sum> cuddylier: http://linux.die.net/man/1/zip
[14:32] <ddshore> I'm trying to resize an encrypted volume on my computer, but the live cd instructions that exist aren't really clear.  After deleting the swap partition, he adds .6G to his physical partition; is he adding the swap?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[14:33] <sha1sum> cuddylier: or possibly "zip -g" for "grow"
[14:33] <sha1sum> I'm assuming -g just adds the files and -u will add files and update any of them that already exist and have been modified since last added
[14:34] <aadeesh> sha1sum: That worked! Thank You.
[14:34] <cuddylier> jack How does the command 'zip fullpath/bla fullpath/blurp' know what to call the zip?
[14:35] <matt444> Hi, any help installing Ubuntu on a head
[14:35] <matt444> headless server?
[14:35] <cfhowlett> matt444, on a head?  no.  you need the whole body...
[14:35] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-server|matt444,
[14:35] <matt444> ;-)
[14:36] <sha1sum> cfhowlett: haha. Classic.
[14:36] <matt444> What I mean is the server has no monitor support
[14:37] <cipherboy> I will be back to check whether it works with this new kernel.
[14:38] <sha1sum> matt444: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[14:39] <matt444> thanks
[14:40] <l4linux> .#fedora
[14:40] <sha1sum> matt444: actually now that I'm reading that there still has to be some kind of network configuration at the machine... May want to look into the kickstart installation: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html <-- for 10.04, but possibly the same type of process for newer versions
[14:42] <Henesy> Alright mates, I installed nvidia-319 via simple apt-get install, now brightness controls don't work period, not even in /sys/call/backlight
[14:44] <cipherboy_> Alright, tested the 3.12.0 kernel, didn't fix it. Hm..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312628/
[14:45] <l4linux> ?
[14:45] <l4linux> help
[14:45] <l4linux> -help
[14:45] <l4linux> how to log into other IRC channel?
[14:45] <bob_> try /join #fedora
[14:45] <l4linux> thank you bob_
[14:45] <bob_> np
[14:47] <FrameFever> how can I get the diskusage of all subfolders in a current directory?
[14:47] <FrameFever> disk usage
[14:48] <FrameFever> but without printing recursively all subfolders
[14:48] <zykotick9> FrameFever: i like "du -sh *", or ncdu myself.
[14:49] <sha1sum> FrameFever: ls -AF | grep \/ | xargs du -sh
[14:49] <sha1sum> FrameFever: http://www.toomanyredirects.com/listing-all-subdirectories-with-file-sizes-in-linux/
[14:49] <sha1sum> if you're going to be using it frequently, I would recommend setting up an alias for it like that page indicates
[14:51] <FrameFever> zykotick9: looking into the documentation of du
[14:51] <FrameFever> -s  display only a total for each argument
[14:52] <FrameFever> I mean seriously what does this mean?
[14:52] <zykotick9> FrameFever: i do like sha1sum's suggestion, as it does hidden directories as well...  (fyi ncdu does as well)
[14:53] <Wheelman> Yeah ladies and gentlemen..screw you all whatever,whenever,wherever and whoever you are.
[14:54] <FrameFever> zykotick9: yea, but this docu?
[14:54] <FrameFever> it does not describe what I get
[14:55] <zykotick9> FrameFever: summarize.... how it that confusing?  it doesn't recurively list into the directories...
[14:55] <sha1sum> I didn't know the answer to the question, so I looked it up, which is why I like helping support on these channels. Learn something new every day :D
[14:56] <sha1sum> FrameFever: maybe I misunderstood. Do you not want it to give you totals recursively or do you just not want it printing every folder recursively?
[14:57] <FrameFever> I want the size of all directoriey inside the current directories
[14:57] <FrameFever> but of course without printing all subdirectories
[14:57] <FrameFever> thats useless
[14:57] <sha1sum> -s basically totals all of the sizes of the folders recursively, but doesn't display each one.
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> FrameFever: try adding the -d1 flag
[14:58] <FrameFever> yeah i know this now, but with this docu. " display only a total for each argument"
[14:58] <FrameFever> it woudn't possible
[14:59] <FrameFever> u: warning: summarizing conflicts with --max-depth=1
[14:59] <sha1sum> I don't see any way around it having to be vague like that because you can either pass it an argument within the du command or pipe it an argument or use xargs... hence "argument"
[15:00] <sha1sum> FrameFever: max-depth=1 will not give you the *total* of all of the recursive folders, hence you can't exactly summarize anything
[15:01] <sha1sum> --max-depth=1 should give you only the size of the subdirectory's files, not recursing.
[15:03] <hitsujiTMO> FrameFever: what directory are you trying to look at the disk usage for?
[15:03] <FrameFever> hitsujiTMO: does this matter?
[15:03] <FrameFever> in my home directory
[15:03] <FrameFever> I want to find the diretory with the biggest size
[15:04] <sha1sum> FrameFever: so I'm not understanding how that command that I first offered won't work... ?
[15:04] <zykotick9> FrameFever: install ncdu, it will show you - in order!
[15:04] <hitsujiTMO> FrameFever: ah, ok ... thought you might be giving out about trying it on / and seeing all the sub dirs because you do not have permission to read them
[15:04] <bob_> FrameFever, try baobab
[15:06] <cariveri> hi. apt-get,apport and others  are damaged after install kde on 13.04. what can I do?
[15:06] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: what do you mean by damaged?
[15:07] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: it does not work. apt-cache does not display anything. install and removing seems to start but returns very fast to the prompt without having done anything.
[15:08] <sha1sum> interesting.
[15:08] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: seems like your apt-cache is corrupt
[15:08] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: yes. what can I do?
[15:09] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: start with; sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update
[15:10] <sha1sum> methinks more was going on than just a simple kde install heh
[15:10] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: all crashes just returned and Ign http://security.ubuntu.com raring-security/universe Translation-de
[15:10] <cariveri> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:11] <sha1sum> ouch.
[15:11] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: try: dpkg-reconfigure apt
[15:11] <cariveri> I think something went wrong while apt was installing the kde package :(
[15:12] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: then try apt-get update again
[15:12] <sha1sum> cariveri: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
[15:12] <simone> ciao
[15:12] <sha1sum> cariveri: then run the apt-get update
[15:13] <hitsujiTMO> simone: DO NOT !list
[15:15] <cariveri> still seg faulting. and Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i'
[15:15] <cariveri> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[15:16] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. I installed unetbootin and I have 12.04 iso downloaded and verified. Now how do I use unetbootin to create a live usb for the lts ? on openinng unetbootin I see no options for the 12.04 under "Distribution"
[15:17] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: so the problem is still there.
[15:17] <sha1sum> cariveri: did you remove the .bin files in /var/cache/apt/ ?
[15:17] <cariveri> sha1sum: there wasnt any
[15:17] <sha1sum> k
[15:18] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: i have never seen such an issue with apt before to be honest
[15:18] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: seems to be more than just a corrupt cache
[15:18] <cariveri> in deed.
[15:18] <everald> Hello. Sometimes the menu in the top right corner of unity, which contains the log out and reboot entries, just vanishes. Howcome, how to bring it back?
[15:20] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: I noticed kubuntu-desktop also updated the grub. perhaps that measn soemthing?
[15:20] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: a grub config should have no interference with apt
[15:21] <sha1sum> One forum poster I just read solved the segfault problem by increasing the cache limit... not sure if that's going to help in this instance.
[15:21] <cariveri> how to?
[15:22] <cariveri> man apt-cache
[15:23] <sha1sum> cariveri: try the steps listed here: http://aziest.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/how-to-increase-your-apt-cache-limit/
[15:23] <sha1sum> I've never had to mess with it, but I guess anything is worth a try for you at this point.
[15:23] <Jpmh> I am attempting to install 12.4 on a Dell laptop - I have done this many times.  I am getting the messageubi-partman failed with exit code 10.  What does this mean
[15:25] <cariveri> no. didnt help.
[15:26] <hitsujiTMO> jpmh, thats the partition manager ... have you tried restarting the install?
[15:28] <SPEEDWAVE> why steam os is not free install for ubuntu 12.04?
[15:28] <therazr> SPEEDWAVE: Because it is an OS, just like Ubuntu.
[15:29] <hitsujiTMO> SPEEDWAVE: steamos is an operating system. which is not even out yet
[15:29] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: I have done nothing other than ask it to re-try and it repeated - I can power down and re-start install I guess - what is this code telling me?
[15:29] <sha1sum> cariveri: the only thing I can offer is what I would probably do in this situation, which is backup and reinstall after a few more tedious hours of googling for an answer
[15:29] <SPEEDWAVE> therazr, i mean steam like on linux free to install and free to log-in..
[15:30] <ikonia> SPEEDWAVE: steam client is free for ubuntu, steam OS is a rival OS nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:30] <sha1sum> cariveri: did you add any repos before you ran the kde install?
[15:30] <hitsujiTMO> Jpmh: something failed when creating the partitions. i've seen similar errors before. all you can do is restart the install. if you get the error again there may be a bigger issue
[15:31] <therazr> SPEEDWAVE: If you use Ubuntu with Steam, there shouldn't be any difference than using steamOS itself
[15:31] <SPEEDWAVE> ikonia, ah.. ok now i understand hehhe
[15:31] <ikonia> therazr there should be significant difference
[15:32] <therazr> ikonia: Why?
[15:32] <ikonia> therazr: because it's a different OS
[15:32] <hitsujiTMO> SPEEDWAVE: also, on linux, steam is officially only supported on ubuntu
[15:33] <sha1sum> Jpmh: can you access /var/log/syslog on a different TTY session to find out what's going on?
[15:33] <therazr> ikonia: Yes I know. I meant it shouldn't provide a different experience in terms of the Steam platform
[15:33] <ikonia> therazr: sure sure
[15:33] <sha1sum> not even sure there are TTY sessions on an install CD, never tried it
[15:33] <hitsujiTMO> therazr: that is dependant... it may provide its own set of drivers.
[15:34] <Jpmh> sha1sum: don't know - just booted and ran gparted from a live stick and see that there is an issue on the Windoze partition that I want to overwite anyway, am booting the old Windoze right now and will run chkdsk
[15:34] <rly> I compiled a custom kernel by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild -- Kernel Build and Installation --. After the sudo reboot action, there is no grub entry for the newly built kernel. Why is this the case?
[15:35] <hitsujiTMO> rly: did you run update-grub ?
[15:35] <SPEEDWAVE> guys i just download this  steam_latest(1).deb i dont know how to install this, can you help me about this...
[15:35] <rly> hitsujiTMO: yes
[15:35] <therazr> hitsujiTMO: Very unlikely. Valve won't create a new display server I believe... I would say they will use X, so the drivers are the same we have now
[15:35] <sha1sum> Jpmh: I suppose this is a silly question when discussing a dell laptop, but the thing doesn't have an RAID setup does it? (I'm laughing right now, but why not ask?)
[15:35] <therazr> SPEEDWAVE: It's just double-clicking on it, then the Ubuntu Software Center will pop up and then click Install, to install it
[15:36] <SPEEDWAVE> ok i try
[15:36] <ikonia> SPEEDWAVE: I'd suggest at least reading the basic documentation on oit
[15:36] <ikonia> it
[15:36] <Okitain> sha1sum: there should be, absolutely, tty sessions.
[15:36] <Jpmh> sha1sum: this is an OLD laptop - 1G of memory though and runs GREAT from the USB stick
[15:36] <Jpmh> biut no RAID
[15:36] <rly> Are there *working* instructions for building and installing in grub a custom kernel on Ubuntu?
[15:36] <hitsujiTMO> rly: what version kernel did you build and what version are you using?
[15:37] <rly> hitsujiTMO: how is the latter even relevant?
[15:37] <saliak> I'm having issues with permissions in a shared directory (for a git server).  Not sure what i'm missing as i've done this before in the exact same way.  setup a group, gitusers, and set group ownership of the directory (/home/git), with g+rwx.  when i try to have a member of the group create a subdir (/home/git/foo.git) it fails.. http://pastebin.com/s9KhADBs.  any ideas?
[15:37] <ikonia> rly: just add the custom kernel to the grub menu, what part isn't clear ?
[15:37] <ikonia> rly: the version of grub is quite important
[15:37] <rly> ikonia: update-grub is supposed to pick it up automatically, no?
[15:37] <rly> ikonia: grub2
[15:37] <SPEEDWAVE> ikonia, hehehe i though i have to apt-get install hehehe!!! i just confuse.. hehehe
[15:37] <rly> I ran update-grub2 too.
[15:38] <Okitain> SPEEDWAVE: you may, it's just boldly stupid.
[15:38] <rly> hitsujiTMO: kernel version 3.12
[15:38] <SPEEDWAVE> Okitain, hehehe im just a beginner
[15:38] <hitsujiTMO> rly: from what i've seen update-grub will only add entries for the newest of kernels, if you compiled an older one then the newer ones will take precedence
[15:38] <ikonia> rly: if you look at the the rules in /etc/default/grub you can see the pattern matching it does to see a "valid" kernel
[15:38] <cariveri> sha1sum: aint the something like a repair disk for such cases?
[15:38] <rly> ikonia: ok, great.
[15:39] <rly> Now, if someone with an account could add that to the wiki....
[15:40] <rly> ikonia: in my default/grub file I see no such pattern defined.
[15:40] <jKlaus> Hey all.. could anyone possibly help me determine what is going on with my audio?  I worry that there is a problem with the hardware as I don't believe I have modified the OS at all since the last time the audio worked fine
[15:40] <ikonia> rly: really, it should have a list of directories/files it's searching
[15:40] <ikonia> rly: then the individual rules should be in /etc/grub.d (from memory)
[15:41] <SPEEDWAVE> Okitain, yah... i think i have to read those document...
[15:42] <loostro> hi, I have trouble starting supervisor service  "Starting supervisor: Error: Another program is already listening on a port that one of our HTTP servers is configured to use.   error
[15:42] <cariveri> thanks a lot anyways!
[15:42] <sha1sum> cariveri: you could re-install over the existing installation. Basically without formatting
[15:43] <cariveri> sha1sum: I would have to reinstall all the software right?
[15:43] <Okitain> SPEEDWAVE: so is the installation working?
[15:43] <sha1sum> cariveri: it will keep the applications where possible I believe.
[15:44] <SPEEDWAVE> Okitain, yah.. its working and now its updating thanks a lot.. hehehe..
[15:44] <sha1sum> cariveri: I would still back up your stuff, though.
[15:44] <rly> ikonia: I can't say that this helps.
[15:44] <zipper> Uh how can I install the latest version of texlive on ubuntu? I got one which is from 2009 just yesterday from the repos.
[15:44] <zipper> I want the 2013  textlive.
[15:45] <cariveri> sha1sum: I dont know how to back it up. /home/ is on a seperate partition anyways.
[15:45] <saliak> agh, needed to logout/in
[15:46] <cariveri> sha1sum: and package usually spread their files. its not that I could jsut copy /usr/bin and everything is there. :(
[15:46] <Okitain> zipper: there is a 2012 version that is easily downloadable.
[15:46] <zipper> Okitain: how?
[15:46] <sha1sum> cariveri: yeah I meant mostly your home directory
[15:46] <zipper> Okitain: I ran sudo apt-get install texlive
[15:46] <sha1sum> cariveri: like an external drive of some sort, but if you don't have one, I guess you don't have that option :)
[15:46] <Okitain> zipper: for 1204, a repo called texlive-backports.
[15:47] <rymate1234|ubunt> hi
[15:47] <ikonia> rly: in what way ? you should be able to see individual rules the checks it does, and /etc/default/grub shows the base configuration for what's called
[15:47] <cariveri> sha1sum: how about downloading apt in from the net to install it and then reinstall all the broken other apps?
[15:47] <rymate1234|ubunt> I was wonderinnvm
[15:47] <rly> ikonia: you mean the script which runs?
[15:48] <zipper> Okitain: yeah I am on pangolin
[15:48] <johnjohn101> synaptic in 13.10 is jacked.  seems to be running so slow.  is it supported?
[15:48] <ikonia> rly: which script ?
[15:48] <rly> ikonia: I would be helped more by just knowing the pattern which it expects.
[15:48] <rly> ikonia: below /etc/grub.d
[15:48] <Okitain> zipper: https://launchpad.net/~texlive-backports/+archive/ppa/
[15:48] <Jpmh> so, I booted Windoze - horrible - ran chkdsk to see if it fixed the partition table - then re-tried my install - same ubi-partman error - any ideas?
[15:48] <ikonia> rly: the numbers show the order, eg: 00 = first 01 = second, 08 = third, it's sequential
[15:49] <therazr> zipper: https://launchpad.net/~texlive-backports/+archive/ppa most recent one I could find
[15:49] <rly> ikonia: yes, but I just want the custom kernel to come up automatically without me configuring it manually.
[15:49] <ikonia> rly: you shouldn't need to configure it manually, that's the reason for the dynamic grub config generation
[15:49] <rly> ikonia: so, the question is: how can I configure it such that I don't need to do anything manually?
[15:50] <rly> ikonia: the instructions on that wiki are not correct.
[15:50] <rly> ikonia: that's why I am asking here.
[15:50] <rly> Distributing an OS on which no custom kernels can be build is not useful.
[15:50] <ikonia> rly: in what way not correct, and to be honest, I don't like those instructions that tell it to do a deb build even if it fails
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: custom kernels can be built fine - it's nothing to do with the OS
[15:51] <rly> ikonia: they are not correct in that no grub entries come up.
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: those instructions in my view are not the best process to follow.
[15:51] <rly> ikonia: I already know that.
[15:51] <rly> ikonia: can you also say something constructive?
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: they could be correct - it depends on if your kernel build was sucessfull, which those instructions don't check
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: drop the attitude
[15:52] <rly> \exists x, instructions(x) and not_good(x)
[15:52] <marlo>  #tinc
[15:52] <rly> True, but not very useful.
[15:52] <ikonia> rly: I don't believe point 8 is a wise approach
[15:52] <rly> ikonia: I am trying to extract a useful response from you.
[15:52] <sha1sum> drop the attitude and get some aptitude lol
[15:52] <sha1sum> "extract": what a lovely way to put it
[15:52] <therazr> lol
[15:52] <ikonia> rly: I'll leave you to it then
[15:52] <rly> ikonia: but all you do is repeat trivial statements.
[15:53] <rly> ikonia: the question is clear.
[15:53] <rly> ikonia: you just don't want to answer it.
[15:53] <marlo> trying to install on win-2008 server, getting "no windows tap device found"... is there some unusual requirement for 2008 server?
[15:53] <deadman36g> can this script ls -F | grep . | while read line; do mktorrent -a "http://announce/url" -p "$line"; done be editied to not included the file extension in the torrent file?
[15:53] <rly> This leaves me at why you are even here pretending to answer questions in the first place.
[15:53] <ikonia> rly: what ? of course I do, that's why I'm working it through with you
[15:54] <alami> hello, i want to backup and newinstall ubuntu, i have backup all my data, and i don't know what else i have to backup??
[15:54] <sha1sum> alami: you may want to back up some files in /etc depending on what configurations you've customized.
[15:54] <marlo> sorry wrong channel
[15:54] <sha1sum> marlo: I was wondering ;)
[15:54] <marlo> lol
[15:54] <marlo> it's early
[15:54] <marlo> and sunday
[15:54] <therazr> marlo: lol
[15:55] <alami> sha1sum:yes i mean for google chrome, thunderbird and so on??
[15:55] <therazr> marlo: But Ubuntu is a good replacement for that win-server I tell you :D
[15:55] <marlo> if only...
[15:55] <sha1sum> alami: those should all be in the home directory for your user, preceeded by a period.
[15:55] <marlo> need to run some win 'server' apps, no choice!
[15:55] <sha1sum> alami: which are normally hidden for most file managers... You may want to make sure you back those up by showing hidden files and folders
[15:56] <alami> sha1sum: i have only to copy paste this folder? for example for thunderbird?
[15:56] <sha1sum> alami: yes... the safest way to go about it is to just copy and paste the entire folder under /home/ for your user
[15:57] <sha1sum> which will copy everything in it, hidden files and folders included
[15:57] <alami> sha1sum: i have never try that, i tought i have to make same configuratoin?
[15:58] <sha1sum> alami: the configuration for most of the applications are just in those hidden folders... there are some global "system-wide" configurations in /etc/, such as if you have any servers configured like apache web servers and the like
[15:59] <sha1sum> alami: having them in the user's home folder makes it possible to have the different configurations for different users, all portable... In other words, it's set up that way specifically for what you're trying to do, which is save your custom configurations
[15:59] <zipper> Say I have added the ppa texlive backports to my /etc/sorces.list and ran `apt-get update` how do I then get the file texlive from it? and do I have to uninstall the current texlive?
[16:00] <zipper> Never mind
[16:00] <zipper> I have the answer.
[16:00] <alami> sha1sum:if i backup .thunderbird folder, can i restor all my e-mails from it?
[16:00] <daniel156161> Hi
[16:00] <Patero-ng> does ubuntu server gets the time from stored files or from the bios? cause I did ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com yesterday and now is telling me it's 6 hours later then it is help
[16:01] <therazr> zipper: If texlive is installed, just upgrade. Otherwise just install it :S
[16:01] <sha1sum> alami: yes. could be .thunderbird and could also be .thunderbird
[16:01] <sha1sum> alami: which should also save all of the account information as well
[16:02] <sha1sum> alami: sorry I meant could be .thunderbird and could also be .mozilla-thunderbird
[16:02] <daniel156161> Hi
[16:03] <zipper> therazr: I just ran `apt-get install texlive` and it will upgrade automatically.
[16:03] <alami> sha1sum: aha so no need to open thunderbird, and serach for import/export e-mails?
[16:04] <therazr> zipper: You should run a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' from that repo
[16:04] <Jordan_U> Patero-ng: Are you dual booting with Windows? Have you booted Windows since running ntpdate?
[16:04] <sha1sum> Patero-ng: could be the time zone that's set up or it could be that you need to write the time to the BIOS using "sudo hwclock --systohc"
[16:04] <sha1sum> not sure if ntpdate takes care of the hardware clock or not
[16:04] <johnjohn101> ever since upgrading to 13.10 from 13.04 synaptic is basically unusable. is that anything I can try to fix it?
[16:05] <Patero-ng> sha1sum: good point
[16:05] <Patero-ng> Jordan_U: no I haven't got into windows yet
[16:05] <jackstrar> Hi, I have just downloaded a wifi driver for my adapter and need to know how I can build the tar.gz file in ubuntu asuming it is on my desktop
[16:06] <Patero-ng> sha1sum: so does ubuntu gets the current time from bios when I don't have time servers
[16:06] <sha1sum> jackstrar: a tar.gz file is basically compressed files, something like a zip file. You should be able to open it and extract the files.
[16:07] <sha1sum> jackstrar: then the installation procedure depends on the way the developers intended it to be installed. Instructions may be in a file similar to the name "README" or "INSTALL"
[16:07] <jackstrar> ok that makes sense but how do i install it since it does not include a .exe file
[16:07] <sha1sum> jackstrar: some developers are notoriously bad about writing the installation documentation. Hopefully yours were not :)
[16:08] <sha1sum> jackstrar: .exe files are mostly exclusive to Windows (and DOS if they're ancient)
[16:08] <sha1sum> ennaa is spamming channel members, btw
[16:08] <reisio> jackstrar: what's this you're trying to install?
[16:08] <sha1sum> !ops
[16:08] <jackstrar> there is a file called "makefile" is that any good?
[16:09] <sha1sum> whoops I don't know if this classifies as an "emergency"
[16:09] <jackstrar> its a broadcom wifi adapter driver (proprietary)
[16:09] <sha1sum> just didn't know if you wanted people going around spamming
[16:09] <jKlaus> anyone have an issue of their computer always porting audio to the headphone jack
[16:09] <reisio> sha1sum: not your fault the bot is spammy :p
[16:09] <reisio> jackstrar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configure_script
[16:10] <k1l_> sha1sum: use this bot-command only for emergencies. you can report pm-spammers in #ubuntu-ops all the time or talk to the channel-mods if needed
[16:10] <sha1sum> thanks -- my bad :)
[16:11] <reisio> meanwhile, spammer still in channel
[16:11] <sha1sum> I closed the query so I can't even provide proof lol
[16:11] <reisio> some of the more interesting spam I've seen
[16:11] <reisio> it's a webcam of a goldfish aquarium
[16:11] <sha1sum> oh lovely
[16:11] <reisio> oh, there's another type of fish
[16:11] <k1l_> reisio: you know the rules. please keep that comments of that channel. if you have something to ad please talk to the mods in #ubuntu-ops
[16:12] <reisio> you just said we could talk to channel mods about spammers
[16:12] <k1l_> reisio: not in here. this is a support channel
[16:12] <reisio> oooooh
[16:12] <sha1sum> k1l_: sorry I interrupted your flow :P
[16:15] <IdleOne> reisio: would you be so kind to tell me who is sending the spam PM's?
[16:15] <sha1sum> IdleOne: already gone. Was ennaa
[16:15] <IdleOne> ah, ok thanks sha1sum
[16:16] <reisio> what he said
[16:16] <sha1sum> Meanwhile, in the world of Ubuntu support...
[16:17]  * sha1sum takes support off of pause
[16:18] <asdf__> hallo
[16:20] <mrafiq> hi
[16:21] <frxstrem> I have a computer (about 10 years old, running XP) that I have to repurpose with Ubuntu, with a user interface simple enough that my 70-some-year-old grandma can use it -- any pointers to Ubuntu-based distros or software I can use to set it up to be both very user friendly and lightweight?
[16:21] <ikonia> frxstrem: you're only really target is lubuntu
[16:21] <hitsujiTMO> frxstrem: you'd be better off with lubuntu or xubuntu
[16:21] <theadmin> frxstrem: Lubuntu is very lightweight. User-friendly enough too... As much as it gets with these lightweight distros anyway
[16:21] <k1l_> !lubuntu | frxstrem
[16:21] <therazr> 10 years old is a lot. Tell the Processor and RAM of it
[16:22] <ikonia> a fair point
[16:22] <frxstrem> 1.4 GHz, 512 MB RAM (I think, haven't checked)
[16:22] <ikonia> again back to lubuntu
[16:22] <theadmin> Lubuntu will run nicely on this
[16:23] <jKlaus> So Alsa mixer is showing the "Speaker" volume being muted when I plug the headphones in and shows the volume going back up to 100 when I unplug the headphones but I still do not get any audio out of the speakers
[16:23] <jKlaus> anyone have any thoughts?
[16:24] <frxstrem> as I suspected, but my biggest concern is that Lubuntu's interface might be too complicated (I'd want something with big, simple buttons or something like that)
[16:24] <therazr> ikonia: Does that system support PAE already?
[16:25] <theadmin> frxstrem: Eh, well... Ubuntu's default interface is like that but unfortunately it's more heavy than a box like this would pull off..
[16:25] <theadmin> frxstrem: Lubuntu is quite easy. Dunno about grandmas though.
[16:25] <reisio> frxstrem: I don't have much experience with LXDE, but Xfce is quite configurable with regard to size of things
[16:26] <otak__> frxstrem: lxlauncher if you like blue
[16:26] <zykotick9> therazr: does lubuntu require PAE?  kinda silly if it does.
[16:27] <UrielVigilant> i connected ubuntu 13.10 to AV in my tv but it dont detect . What i need to install ?
[16:28] <reisio> UrielVigilant: what port is coming out of the computer?
[16:28] <frxstrem> otak_: oh, I'll look into lxlauncher, looks like what I want
[16:29] <therazr> zykotick9: I thought every 32-bit installation using the ubuntu packages required PAE, but I might be wrong :P
[16:29] <johnjohn101> i think i figured out why synaptic is running slow.  I stopped my onboard and now it run normally. I need to know what category I should open an issue under.
[16:29] <ikonia> youre onboard what ?
[16:29] <ikonia> your
[16:30] <UrielVigilant> reisio: s-video port
[16:30] <zykotick9> therazr: actually... i don't "think" you are.  ;)
[16:30] <reisio> UrielVigilant: what graphics driver
[16:31] <UrielVigilant> intel graphics media acelerator 950
[16:33] <UrielVigilant> reisio: i dont know what graphic irvers iam using. but hardware is intel graphics media acelerator 950
[16:34] <rip> Hi all
[16:35] <rip> Looking for some help in resolving a wireless issue ?
[16:35] <brian-mann> Hey fellas.  I've got two 2tb hard drives in RAID 1 mode.  Prior to creating the RAID I deleted all of their partitions.   Then I formatted the RAID with 1 partition (ext4).  Interestingly though, when I look at Gparted, the original drives both show unformatted.  Is this correct?
[16:35] <hitsujiTMO> !details | rip
[16:35] <Jordan_U> brian-mann: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[16:36] <rymate1234> my mouse is too fast under linux, even at the lowest speed.
[16:37] <rip> ok thanks guys, its a strange one so bare with me, its ubuntu 12.04, kernel version 3.2.0-51 intel wireless chip 2230, i have address information from dhcp, i have an arp entry for the gateway, i can ping the stack and the nic with success but cannot ping the gateway or remote networks :(
[16:38] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[16:38] <hitsujiTMO> rip can you give us the output of: ifconfig
[16:38] <UrielVigilant> reisio: i have to change graphic driver to be able to reproduce ubuntu on tv ?
[16:38] <hitsujiTMO> rip, what are you using to configure the wireless?
[16:38] <reisio> rymate1234: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/mouse_speed_in_x/
[16:39] <reisio> rymate1234: stopgap
[16:39] <sabret00the> anyone else getting a 404 on the binary-i386/Packages when trying to upgrade to 14.04 alphas?
[16:39] <rip> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 60:36:dd:53:3b:6c
[16:39] <rip>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:39] <rip>           inet6 addr: fe80::6236:ddff:fe53:3b6c/64 Scope:Link
[16:39] <rip>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[16:39] <rip>           RX packets:58 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[16:39] <FloodBot1> rip: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:39] <rip>           TX packets:64 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[16:39] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | rip
[16:40] <rip> ok sorry, just gave the floodbot a heart attack, my apologise
[16:42] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313275/plain/
[16:43] <rip> im not sure if its a routing issue or a driver
[16:43] <hitsujiTMO> rip: whats the ouput of: arp
[16:43] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[16:44] <rip> ? (<IP_ADDRESS>) at 80:b6:86:c3:69:58 [ether] on eth0
[16:44] <Jordan_U> rip: You have two interfaces on the same network.
[16:44] <hitsujiTMO> rip there should be more than 1 line
[16:45] <rip> ok, if i put the eth0 down though, i still get the same problems
[16:47] <hitsujiTMO> rip: can you give the output of arp, there should have been more than one line
[16:48] <rip> ok sure 2 seconds
[16:48] <rip> here is the routing table
[16:48] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313307/plain/
[16:48] <rip> doing arp now
[16:49] <rip> this is all i get from arp
[16:49] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313312/plain/
[16:49] <hitsujiTMO> rip can you bring down eth0 and get the routing table again ....
[16:50] <rip> hitsujiTMO: Sure but i will disconnect temporary be right back
[16:50] <hitsujiTMO> np
[16:50] <johnjohn101> my synaptic/onboard bug is this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1244474
[16:51] <Jordan_U> rip: Please pastebin the output of "route -n" with only one interface active.
[16:51] <rip> ok here is wlan0 only
[16:51] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313322/plain/
[16:52] <UrielVigilant> some one know how to make ubuntu reproducing on tv, via s-video to scart  av1 cable ?
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> why does wlan have a metric of 2?
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> rip, how is eth0 configured? dhcp?
[16:53] <rip> yes
[16:53] <rip> so is wlan0
[16:54] <hitsujiTMO> rip, not sure whats causing the metric of 2. its quite a bizare oddity
[16:55] <rip> thats what i thought, theres usually a 3rd entry with just wireless but i am not seeing it now
[16:55] <rip> i have no idea how to get it working :(
[16:56] <rip> i also see this occasionally
[16:56] <rip> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     U     1000   0        0 eth
[16:56] <hitsujiTMO> thats when you get no dhcp reply but link is up
[16:57] <hitsujiTMO> can you show us the output of arp when eth0 is down
[16:57] <rip> sure brb
[16:57] <zipper> uh could anyone here explain to me how to install moderncv in ubuntu?
[16:57] <k1l_> !find moderncv
[16:57] <morsnowski> anybody knows a good tv card for use under ubuntu?
[16:57] <Jordan_U> rip: It might be worth taking both interfaces down, then bringing just one back up.
[16:59] <k1l_> zipper: install texlive-latex-extra
[16:59] <reisio> morsnowski: mythtv keeps a support db, IIRC
[17:00] <rip> ok here is arp with wlan0
[17:00] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313366/plain/
[17:00] <morsnowski> reisio: will check
[17:00] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313366/plain/
[17:00] <UrielVigilant> reisio : now its working using mirror, but it is on black and wite . why ?
[17:00] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[17:01] <rip> tried that still no joy
[17:01] <rip> could it be a driver issue ?
[17:01] <reisio> UrielVigilant: hrrm?
[17:02] <kyle__> Since there's no mir in slutty salamander, will 14.01 have it?
[17:02] <robdog> guys i am looking around the distro's and i am trying to find a better vesion for audio production...any advice..
[17:02] <hitsujiTMO> rip, what are you getting for the output of with only wlan0: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:02] <reisio> kyle__: let me find my crystal ball
[17:02] <reisio> robdog: what's the problem?
[17:02] <hitsujiTMO> robdog: have you looked at unbuntu studio?
[17:02] <Jordan_U> rip: What is the output of "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"?
[17:02] <k1l_> robdog: ubuntu-studio got that as a focus
[17:03] <rip> noting
[17:03] <rip> nothing *
[17:03] <zipper> k1l_: but I have installed texlive with `apt-get install texlive` Is there a way to add moderncv alone? It's really a large file to download.
[17:03] <robdog> well ubuntu studion is ok but is a little resource heavy and i cant runn pluggins and applications as i would like
[17:03] <intrader> Hi all, I am trying to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, but update manager offers 14.04 only
[17:03] <zexcriz> there must be torrent download for ubuntu.
[17:03] <hitsujiTMO> rip: you're going to have to get some sort of reply... whats the error
[17:03] <rip> 2 secs
[17:03] <hitsujiTMO> rip can you pastebin the exact error
[17:04] <k1l_> intrader: dont use -d as option
[17:04] <andry_> test :P
[17:04] <k1l_> intrader: set the release prompt to regular (not lts)
[17:04] <Jordan_U> zexcriz: You can only skip releases by going from one LTS release to another, or by re-installing. Ubuntu installation images are available via torrent.
[17:04] <robdog> i was thinking using mint 15/16  cinnimon.....   is that lighter in resources?
[17:04] <theadmin> robdog: Mint is not a supported derivative.
[17:04] <robdog> hmmm... ubuntu based?
[17:05] <zexcriz> Jordan_U, i can't find ubuntu server 12.04.3 64 bit image to download over torrent
[17:05] <k1l_> robdog: for distro comparison ask in ##linux
[17:05] <kyle__> reisio: I just figured someone might know or have read a blog post.  Searching for mir & ubuntu right now gives you a ton of slightly dated articles about 13.10.
[17:05] <hitsujiTMO> robdog: no untuntu-studio os xfce based iirc so would be lighter
[17:05] <morsnowski> reisio: you wouldn't have a link to that db handy?
[17:05] <k1l_> zexcriz: see http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[17:06] <morsnowski> reisio: ok got it, sorry
[17:06] <reisio> kyle__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29#Ubuntu
[17:06] <reisio> morsnowski: gj
[17:06] <k1l_> kyle__: it was not made default in 13.10 but you could still test it if you like
[17:07] <kyle__> reisio: thanks.
[17:07] <kyle__> k1l_: I may try that
[17:07] <robdog> is there an audio production channel?
[17:07] <k1l_> kyle__: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/
[17:08] <hitsujiTMO> !alis robdog
[17:08] <hitsujiTMO> !alis | robdog
[17:08] <LjL> robdog: #ubuntustudio may be of interest
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> robdog  better ask in #ubuntustudio
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> LjL  was faster :)
[17:09] <robdog> ok thank you
[17:11] <Diplomatico> Hello, if I use a live cd, what happens to saved changes, installing programs, and more important, downloading files?
[17:11] <reisio> Diplomatico: poof
[17:11] <reisio> gone
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> Diplomatico  they're gone when you reboot
[17:11] <Diplomatico> Ah...
[17:11] <Diplomatico> But,
[17:11] <k1l_> Diplomatico: make a persistent live version. that stores the changes
[17:11] <zexcriz> k1l_, :0
[17:11] <zexcriz> :)
[17:11] <Diplomatico> anyway, they do download?, and if they do, where?
[17:12] <MonkeyDust> Diplomatico  /usr/bin is the default folder
[17:12] <SchrodingersScat> Diplomatico: a liveUSB is a little easier for persistence
[17:13] <Jordan_U> Diplomatico: To the directories found at the normal paths, it's just that all of the changes to the filesystem are stored in RAM (specifically an aufs overlay between the read only squashfs image and a read-write tmpfs).
[17:13] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[17:13] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313440/plain/
[17:13] <Diplomatico> Live usb is a good option...But I will try the cd anyway.
[17:13] <rip> ping results
[17:13] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys!
[17:14] <reisio> hey wiz
[17:14] <Wiz_KeeD> sup reisio ?
[17:14] <reisio> not much, sunday
[17:14] <reisio> sup with you?
[17:14] <Wiz_KeeD> lotta food and sitting around, sunday indeed!
[17:14] <subz3r0> !ot > reisio
[17:14] <Wiz_KeeD> !ot > Wiz_KeeD
[17:15] <reisio> subz3r0: finding out what people want is not off topic
[17:15] <robdog> ok so i am still a huge newbie here but i cant seem to find what i am looking for can some one point me to it....how do i find the linux rooms?
[17:15] <subz3r0> !ot
[17:15]  * reisio headdesks
[17:15] <reisio> robdog: for what?
[17:15] <subz3r0> head -> wall, head -> wall...
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> XD
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Does anyone know if I buy a laptop with a optical drive and remove it and add the tray that can support a hdd, what transfer speed I will have?
[17:15] <robdog> well i am looking for audio production stuff and what distro is lighter in resources so i can better runn stuff
[17:16] <Jordan_U> robdog: You can make Ubuntu as light as you want it.
[17:16] <robdog> ubuntu studio isnt cutting it...
[17:16] <Diplomatico> I tried ubuntu studio and the apps weren't good enough, compared to windows.
[17:17] <rip> i cant communicate with the router
[17:17] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: probably whatever P/ATA does
[17:17] <robdog> well....i want free.. and this is it... the stuff works the way i want it to just studio.. is to resource heavy
[17:17] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: depends on the connection
[17:17] <MonkeyDust> Diplomatico  use the programs that suit your needs best
[17:17] <Wiz_KeeD> I'm curious how I can find out...
[17:17] <Diplomatico> Of course, monkey, that's why i just changed to plain ubuntu.
[17:18] <Jordan_U> robdog: You can either use the minimal install CD to install only the packages you want, or start with Lubuntu as a base.
[17:18] <Wiz_KeeD> Since i'm thinking I can get a laptop with a 500gig hdd, take the optical drive, chuck it, and place a ssd in the place of the original one
[17:18] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: hdparm
[17:18] <jack> robdog, to and too are two different words
[17:18] <Wiz_KeeD> And I will be using the other hdd only as storage so it won't matter that much
[17:18] <jack> (sorry)
[17:18] <Jordan_U> robdog: Or just install and use LXDE in Ubuntu Studio. All flavors of Ubuntu use the same repositories.
[17:18] <robdog> lubuntu would install some things with Ardour and Musescore... i tried already ... lol
[17:18] <reisio> robdog: install a lighter DE on ubuntu studio and use that
[17:18] <robdog> i am using lxde
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> woah, a lot of arguments reisio :D
[17:19] <reisio> robdog: lxde should be pretty light
[17:19] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: yeah
[17:19] <robdog> hmmm...
[17:19] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: look at -T and -t, IIRC
[17:19] <robdog> having issues with ram... i got 3 gigs
[17:19] <reisio> robdog: is that the issue?
[17:19] <Jordan_U> robdog: What are you noticing that's "too heavy"?
[17:19] <robdog> and the kernal is the real time kernal
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> Perform device read timings, niceee
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> I suppose I need some data in it...
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> like a cd of any type
[17:19] <jack> reisio, i think fluxbox is even lighter
[17:20] <Wiz_KeeD> but optical drive might be slowe than hdd
[17:20] <robdog> well i can runn only 2-3 plugins in ardour befor i start getting xruns and i cant runn ardour and hydrogen together befor massive slowing
[17:20] <reisio> jack: course it is
[17:20] <reisio> does a lot less
[17:20] <robdog> i cant
[17:21] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: reinstalling apt did not work out: http://pastebin.com/sUQBM2jz
[17:21] <gladosv2> Hi guys, not sure if itś the right place to ask - I need pygst on my system but can't figure out what package I need for that
[17:21] <k1l_> robdog: are you sure your hardware suits your software needs at all?
[17:21] <intrader> kil_ when I use -d it offers 14.04
[17:21] <k1l_> intrader: yes, you are misusing the -d
[17:21] <robdog> amd turion 64 x2.... 3 gigs ram  ubuntu studio latest with lxde
[17:21] <k1l_> intrader: its for "developement release" not for regular upgrade
[17:22] <jack> reisio, maybe recommend fluxbuntu then
[17:22] <k1l_> robdog: turion is an old cpu
[17:22] <robdog> yeah....
[17:22] <jack> to ppl like robdog
[17:22] <robdog> yeah jack?
[17:22] <reisio> jack: he can try fluxbox on whatever he's using already
[17:22] <reisio> robdog: ^
[17:22] <robdog> flux box
[17:22] <Flannel> intrader: You need to switch yourself from LTS to "every" release.  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is what you'll edit, change "lts" to "normal".  Then, update-manager (no -d) will upgrade you to 12.10.
[17:22] <rip> how can i uninstall the iwlwifi driver and replace it with a new one
[17:22] <jack> true
[17:23] <k1l_> robdog: 2006-2008 and misses alot of the new supports for multimedia that new cpus got
[17:23] <robdog> whats so good about it ?
[17:23] <robdog> ahh.. ok
[17:23] <reisio> robdog: fluxbox? Being a window manager alone, and not a desktop environment, it will reduce the resources required
[17:23] <reisio> but it also does less
[17:23] <reisio> it probably won't free up enough to make a real different, though
[17:23] <reisio> if a turion x2 and 3gb of ram isn't enough
[17:24] <robdog> ok and will it run ardour, mussce and hydrogen
[17:24] <jack> damn easy anyway, to turn onebuntu into anotherbuntu :)
[17:24] <reisio> either ardour/its plugins are quite badly made, or your requirements exceed your hardware
[17:24] <xwalk> reisio: Do you think he would be better off with Openbox and a tint2 panel?
[17:24] <reisio> xwalk: than with what?
[17:24] <xwalk> reisio: Fluxbox
[17:24] <jack> xwalk, fluxbox ftw!
[17:24] <reisio> fluxbox & openbox are pretty close, so not particularly
[17:25] <reisio> and LXDE and openbox are pretty close, too
[17:25] <intrader> kil_ bash: cd: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades: Not a directory
[17:25] <k1l_> i dont think another desktop will help him in that case. his requirements exeed his hardware, imho
[17:25] <robdog> reisio: would flux box run ardour, muscore, hrydrogen?
[17:25] <k1l_> intrader: that is a file, not a folder
[17:26] <Jordan_U> robdog: Any Window Manager will run any normal application.
[17:26] <reisio> robdog: forget about fluxbox, won't help you
[17:26] <robdog> hmmm... poop
[17:26] <BlackDex> Hello there... Is there a Ambiance Theme with dark menu's, also for GTK2+ applications?? It seems that GTK3 has dark menu's, but the GTK2 doesn't...
[17:26] <reisio> robdog: what happens with ardour, again?
[17:26] <intrader> kil_ I found release-upgrades.d
[17:26] <robdog> my resources are enough to runn and deal just cant figure whats the deal?
[17:26] <reisio> BlackDex: http://art.gnome.org/
[17:26] <xwalk> BlackDex: Also, gnome-look.org
[17:27] <k1l_> intrader: just go to the software&updates setting in system settings and change in the release-prompt in the 3rd tab into "every update" from "lts only"
[17:27] <jack> robdog, your wm never runs an app
[17:27] <gladosv2> Hi guys, not sure if itś the right place to ask - I need pygst on my system but can't figure out what package I need for that
[17:27] <robdog> well it seam to laggy and "heavy"  wich i explain with it not being able to run multiple pluggin and ardour and hydrogen together gets to many xruns
[17:27] <jack> it only cooperates (or not)
[17:28] <k1l_> !find pygst
[17:28] <SchrodingersScat> gladosv2: try an apt-cache search python.gst
[17:28] <SchrodingersScat> oh :/
[17:28] <robdog> jack: got it... just looking for a lighter" fix or an setting change or soemthing
[17:28] <k1l_> gladosv2: see packages File pygst found in python-gst0.10, python-gst0.10-dev
[17:29] <intrader> kil_ after rebooting I get 12.10 offered
[17:29] <jack> robdog, i think fluxbox or lxde are what you need
[17:29] <robdog> hmmm....k
[17:29] <robdog> and flux will runn the programs fine?
[17:29] <intrader> kil_ I am upgrading- thanks
[17:29] <jack> sure
[17:30] <jack> it's only a wm
[17:30] <robdog> k ill take a look....does it support a RT kernal
[17:30] <robdog> ahhh.....
[17:30] <jack> of course
[17:30] <xwalk> gladosv2: In the future when you're looking for a package you don't know the name of, try using apt-cache search <some search terms>.
[17:30] <robdog> WM... i though you were mentioning another distro
[17:30] <gladosv2> thanks xwalk, k1l_ and SchrodingersScat :) Seems to be working :D
[17:30] <BlackDex> Thx.. Found something wich i can use :)
[17:30] <jack> nope
[17:30] <robdog> how would i get it?
[17:31] <Wiz_KeeD> reisio, and if I'm not mistaking in Ubuntu I can unmount the hdd from the optical bay so it's not active and stay only on ssd which provides much lower power consumption and higher performance, am I right?
[17:31] <SchrodingersScat> gladosv2: great
[17:31] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: you can power it down most likely, yes
[17:31] <robdog> so i can change back and forth?
[17:31] <jack> fluxbox = wm, fluxbuntu =ubuntu based on it
[17:31] <jack> yes of course
[17:31] <robdog> where do i go for it?
[17:31] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: if it doesn't on its own, hdparm or sdparm can possibly force it to
[17:32] <Wiz_KeeD> So i'll just setup some bash scripts to run on boot and will open it up only when I need it and I do backups and stuff
[17:32] <jack> robdog, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[17:32] <robdog> jack: gotcha...
[17:33] <jack> or search for a fluxbuntu iso to install from
[17:33] <robdog> and do i need to log out to start it? or something?
[17:33] <jack> depends
[17:33] <robdog> yeah
[17:33] <robdog> k
[17:33] <reisio> LXDE is just a glorified openbox already
[17:34] <robdog> will look at it here asap....
[17:34] <jack> but pretty cool, reisio
[17:34] <xwalk> robdog: Depending on the display manager you're using, any new DE or WM can be selected from the session menu.
[17:34] <k1l> robdog: of course you need to relogin for a desktop change
[17:34] <reisio> jack: point being fluxbox likely won't make much of an impact
[17:35] <robdog> hmmm ok i am using ubuntu studio......i think its lxde
[17:35] <robdog> ahhh i see
[17:35] <jack> reisio, true - but you know, some ppl like it
[17:36] <robdog> do you guys run audio productio stuff too?
[17:36] <jack> ardour+audacity
[17:36] <robdog> what your experience thus far with ardour
[17:36] <Diplomatico> (livecd)What about if it's a momentary download, where is it stored, does it delete itself on shutdown?
[17:37] <robdog> i got the brand new version ...
[17:37] <subz3r0> robdog: friend of mine is using ubuntu studio for professional things... it also works very well with his MPC
[17:37] <robdog> hmm...
[17:37] <subz3r0> and some other new audio hardware... but no idea what kind of :)
[17:38] <subz3r0> im not that into that things. so no idea what the new hardware is
[17:38] <robdog> i am trying to use it for pro stuff.. but i was addicted to MAC
[17:38] <subz3r0> just remember some "Roland" xy...
[17:38] <middey> Hello guys.
[17:38] <middey> I have a problem with my ubuntu 12.04.
[17:38] <middey> I can't use apt-get update. Because some hosts fail to resolv.
[17:38] <middey> But i can ping them.
[17:38] <middey> Has anyone an idea what the problem can be ?
[17:38] <FloodBot1> middey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:38] <subz3r0> kinda expensive this stuff :)
[17:38] <k1l> !paste | middey please put the output there
[17:39] <robdog> lol.... yeah.... why i am using ubuntu now..
[17:40] <subz3r0> robdog: anyways... have fun with making music on linux... gottta take a bath... :)
[17:40] <robdog> lol... thank ... k
[17:41] <robdog> resio: i see you in the linux channel but i cant type.... whats the deal?
[17:42] <robdog> reisio: how do you type in the ##linux channel? wont let me
[17:43] <reisio> /msg nickserv help register
[17:43] <reisio> /msg nickserv help identify
[17:43] <k1l> robdog: see the /topic in that channel or ask in #freenode for help
[17:43] <robdog> k
[17:45] <middey> k1l ubottu heres the paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313626/
[17:46] <k1l> middey: you see the errormessage that is at the end?
[17:47] <middey> k1l yes but i can ping the host without problems
[17:47] <Diplomatico> If I use a livecd, how can I use programs that are not installed in the cd?
[17:48] <master_j> which version of ubuntu has the fastest boot time?
[17:48] <master_j> i heard it was 11.10 but that version just expired
[17:48] <OerHeks> Diplomatico, you can install them, they stay in memory, but disappear when you reboot
[17:48] <OerHeks> master_j, the latest, i guess
[17:49] <Diplomatico> No way!!Isn't there any way to keep them permanently maybe in the HD and be called from the live cd?
[17:49] <k1l> middey: its the transmission PPA that makes the trouble. dont know if there is something wrong with it
[17:49] <master_j> i don't know if that's the correct guess, the versions don't necessarily get faster boots, do they?
[17:50] <OerHeks> Diplomatico, no, but you can make an USB with the free space allocated for persistant packages
[17:50] <master_j> i remember the version after 11.10 being a slower boot
[17:50] <ChogyDan> Diplomatico: maybe try a pendrive install?  That would work for a usb
[17:50] <k1l> master_j: that depends on hardware and installed software.
[17:50] <OerHeks> master_j, yes, my experience is it is faster
[17:50] <Diplomatico> Ok, so just in CD is a no go with permanent programs installed.
[17:50] <master_j> ok, thanks OerHeks
[17:51] <Frank81> hello can some one help me i wanna try to rm -rf the output of dir
[17:51] <master_j> i might partition my 500gb for a couple different distros.
[17:51] <Frank81> i do dir | rm -rf {}
[17:51] <Frank81> but that don't work
[17:51] <master_j> thinking of actually setting aside a home partition. i never do that.
[17:51] <Frank81> i wanna do that coz i wanna del all excluded the .bla folders
[17:51] <ChogyDan> Frank81: maybe ask in #bash
[17:51] <Frank81> good ida thx
[17:52] <master_j> 5 100gb partitions would be good, right? one for home, one for windows, and 3 for linux?
[17:52] <master_j> oh, i was going to do a data one... should my home be ntfs?
[17:52] <Sazpaimon_> this may be a better question for #ubuntu-server, but how does raid10 performance compare between mdadm and lvm?
[17:52] <ChogyDan> master_j: I don't think you need more than 20g for a linux install with a separate /home
[17:53] <k1l> master_j: your home can not be ntfs
[17:53] <k1l> master_j: ubuntu partitions should be ext4
[17:53] <master_j> 20g! wow cool i'd like to have about 5 parts for linux distros
[17:53] <Sazpaimon_> for the record I made my home directory NTFS once before and it was perfectly okay. Not that I reccomend it though, as it took some tweaking of ntfs-3g to map users and ACLs together
[17:54] <ChogyDan> master_j: yeah, 20g at most.  I think you can get by with just 10g if you are just trying out different distros
[17:54] <_raven_> 13.10 how to install old nautilus (3.4*) with ALL FEATURES?
[17:54] <SchrodingersScat> Sazpaimon_: sounds terrible
[17:54] <master_j> well, i need to create a seperate data partition then to share data with windows.. or do i...
[17:54] <master_j> well, i'm not just trying them out, i want to keep them probably.
[17:54] <Sazpaimon_> SchrodingersScat, it was a 30 minute procedure altogether
[17:54] <gui8765r> I am attempting to export all wireless drivers from ubuntu, where can i find them?
[17:54] <k1l> master_j: yes, that data partition should be ntfs
[17:54] <reisio> gui8765r: export?
[17:55] <master_j> ok
[17:55] <gui8765r> copy
[17:55] <master_j> thanks for the help guys!
[17:55] <middey> k1l i removed it now but now archive.ubuntu.com makes problems. Maybe the connection is to bad but i don't think so because it is a vps. W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release.gpg  Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[17:55] <Sazpaimon_> I already had my home directory partitioned out in windows, so it was just a matter of mounting that partition as /home in linux
[17:55] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: that is not supported. use ext* for ubuntu partitions
[17:55] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: maybe if you explain why, we could help further
[17:55] <Sazpaimon_> also, why reccomend ntfs for shared data partitions
[17:55] <Sazpaimon_> wouldnt exfat be more performant for both OSes?
[17:55] <master_j> never heard of exfat
[17:56] <saket> Facing the problem "could not calculate upgrade" while updating from 13.04 to 13.10
[17:56] <ChogyDan> Sazpaimon_: fat32 works, but it has a size limit I think
[17:56] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: 4GB barrier
[17:56] <Sazpaimon_> exfat != fat32
[17:56] <master_j> i never had any probs with a ntfs share
[17:56] <master_j> besides slowness
[17:56] <Sazpaimon_> exfat has a 16EiB file size limit
[17:56] <gui8765r> i have several live distros on a "multiboot iso usb", some support my wireless card, some don't.. I figure I can just copy them all from ubuntu to the USB and them when I need them I can copy them from USB into the live filesystem
[17:57] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: exfat is even not full suported by all windows versions
[17:57] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: i thought drivers of all kinds were included in the kernel.  Except maybe broadcom wireless...
[17:57] <Sazpaimon_> its supported by every windows version made in the last 5 years
[17:57] <Sazpaimon_> I think that's fair enough
[17:57] <gui8765r> this is also going to be my "rescue usb" for when i get conned into repairing friends and familys broken pcs
[17:58] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: not fair enough. ntfs is full supported form windows and ubuntu
[17:58] <gui8765r> ChogyDan, maybe in ubuntu? not working in other distros
[17:58] <Sazpaimon_> ntfs is also slow on ubuntu compared to other filesystems
[17:59] <Sazpaimon_> if you're only going to be using a recent version of windows and recent version of linux on your machine, why not use exfat?
[17:59] <master_j> (80gb Win7)(50gb Ubuntu)(50gb Debian)(50gb Mint)(50gb Linux)(50gb Linux)(160gb Data)(10gb Swap)
[17:59] <master_j> that's what i'm thinking
[17:59] <master_j> how does that look?
[17:59] <Sazpaimon_> in fact, i think even windows xp has an exfat support patch
[17:59] <master_j> oh, i forgot home
[17:59] <Sazpaimon_> so what, are you going to argue that if he cant use a windows 2000 install, don't use exfat?
[18:00] <reisio> not had any problems using ntfs
[18:00] <master_j> ooh, should i install XP too? ;)
[18:00] <master_j> nah
[18:00] <reisio> xp 2? you might see that next year
[18:00] <ekem> ubuntu desktop blows
[18:00] <master_j> lol
[18:00] <k1l> master_j: if you seperate the /home 50GB is way too much. a fulll desktop ubuntu takes 5-15GB for /
[18:00] <Sazpaimon_> my argument is that while ntfs works in linux, it's not as performant as exfat is
[18:00] <ChogyDan> master_j: do 100g for win, 20g for each linux distro, swap == ram size, maybe 20g on /home, the rest on your shared data partition
[18:01] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: how much less performant is it?
[18:01] <Sazpaimon_> in my experience with ntfs-3g, there's a large cpu overhead when writing large files
[18:01] <reisio> oh "large", sounds bad
[18:02] <master_j> with a 20gb home i'd have to constantly copy everything i want to keep to my data part. is this how it's usually done?
[18:02] <reisio> what about ext?
[18:02] <master_j> very true, Saz.
[18:02] <reisio> master_j: what's the data part for?
[18:02] <Sazpaimon_> I dont think i've ever seen writing to ext partitions use cpu
[18:02] <master_j> movies, music, pictures, documents
[18:02] <Sazpaimon_> or at lest significant CPU
[18:02] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: from windows I mean
[18:02] <Jpmh> I am trying to install ubuntu - I am getting a message that creation of the ext4 partition on /dev/sda1 failed . what does this mean and how do I get past it?
[18:02] <reisio> master_j: why do you need a dedicated partition for that
[18:02] <master_j> reisio: to share data with windows
[18:03] <reisio> master_j: don't need a dedicated partition for that
[18:03] <guest130485102>  Hello
[18:03] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, the point is if you want a shared data partition, dont you want that pertition to be equally performant on both linux and windows?
[18:03] <master_j> how would i read it from windows then?
[18:03] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: I'm pretty sure the overhead is going to be negligible to a human being
[18:03] <ChogyDan> master_j: then go ahead and make /home bigger.  It depends on what you want to share with windows
[18:03] <_raven_> 13.10 how to install old nautilus (3.4*) with ALL FEATURES?
[18:03] <reisio> master_j: ext2fsd from windows, ntfs-3g from ubuntu
[18:04] <master_j> oh i haven't tried ext2fsd
[18:04] <ChogyDan> _raven_: probably not possible/easy  what features are you missing?
[18:04] <Sazpaimon_> ext2fsd is.. okay
[18:04] <odium> I cannot get audio from SPDIF audio out while HDMI audio works fine.  pavucontrol "Volume Control" reports only an hdmi output. while gnome's Sound applet reports there's an SPDIF and HDMI.
[18:04] <Sazpaimon_> it seems like a kludge over using something like exfat
[18:05] <morsnowski> does anyone a file system plugin to read ext partitions from a MAC
[18:05] <reisio> over having a whole extra partition? :/
[18:05] <morsnowski> +know
[18:05] <reisio> _that_ seems like a kludge to me
[18:05] <gui8765r> ChogyDan, Is it possible to copy the wireless drivers, do you know?
[18:05] <Sazpaimon_> and no, the cpu overhead of ntfs-3g with writing large files (several hundred megabytes to multiple gigiabytes) is non-trivial
[18:05] <k1l> master_j: ntfs as a data partition is the best practise so far.
[18:05] <master_j> yeah i think so. simplest, anyway
[18:05] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: no, I don't know.  I think you may have to follow the directions for each distro :(
[18:05] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: did you mean not non-trivial?
[18:06] <Sazpaimon_> no, I mean there's a noticable cpu overhead with ntfs-3g
[18:06] <sha1sum> not non-trivial is a double negative anyway :P
[18:06] <reisio> odium: look in alsamixer, tab around, use arrow keys for toggles that aren't mixers
[18:06] <Sazpaimon_> there is no significant overhead, if any, seen from using the exfat fuse driver
[18:06] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: then you meant not non-trivial
[18:07] <Sazpaimon_> words
[18:07] <sha1sum> reisio: trivial == not significant; non-trivial == significant
[18:07] <sha1sum> not non-trival == not significant
[18:07] <gui8765r> ChogyDan, Probably. I first must get ahold of the drives included in ubuntu, then I can write a script to install them into the other distro as needed
[18:07] <ampw> if i use tightvnc on ubuntu, and want to connect to another ubuntu system do they need to be portforwarded or can i enter their ip and pass
[18:07] <sha1sum> non-trivial*
[18:08] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: what wifi card is this?
[18:08] <reisio> you're killing me
[18:08] <sha1sum> reisio: lol
[18:08] <gui8765r> I couldn't tell you. its a half sized mpci card