[01:46] <zwnj> so mozilla needs gmake, not linux
[01:46] <sataere> Does anyone know if I could add SATA support to my hot plugs?
[01:47] <lordfreak> seveas thanks
[01:47] <zukalk> Seveas, should he install qt3-qtconfig?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> zwnj: I think you missed my point - why would you assume gmake is available in linux, when commonly it is invoked with "make" and is *the same thing* ?
[01:47] <Seveas> zukalk, well, to run qtconfig that would be neccessary
[01:47] <snowman1000> could anyone tell me how to run fdisk?
[01:48] <Seveas> snowman1000, run it in a terminal
[01:48] <Seveas> snowman1000, what are you trying to accomplish?
[01:48] <zukalk> Seveas, no, but what he needs is too make the fonts smaller. is there another way of doing so?
[01:48] <sataere> Hey Seveas!  Welcome back.
[01:48] <snowman1000> trying to make my xp partition unhidden
[01:48] <Seveas> zukalk, ENOCLUE, i'm staying as far away from KDE ant Qt as I can :)
[01:48] <Seveas> snowman1000, only grub can hide partitions
[01:49] <zukalk> hehe
[01:49] <Seveas> (or any other boot loader with that capability)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> zwnj: not attacking you - i just think the moz devs need to think a bit more...
[01:49] <Seveas> fdisk has not much to do with that
[01:49] <v1ru5> hi
[01:49] <zukalk> lordfreak, if you want, do an apt-get install qt3-qtconfig
[01:49] <v1ru5> i got my ubuntu working..
[01:49] <raven3x7> this firefox update has gone real bad
[01:49] <lordfreak> yeahhh
[01:49] <v1ru5> ..ALMOST
[01:50] <sataere> Seveas, would you know how to grok some info from my hdd?  I think it's SATA, but detecting as IDE and therefore causing major slowdowns.
[01:50] <lordfreak> zukalk Im instaling pakage qt3-qtconfig
[01:50] <lordfreak> zukalk seveas when I am ready will try to configure fonts ;D
[01:50] <Seveas> sataere, hdparm /dev/yourdrive
[01:50] <vinboy> hi
[01:50] <vinboy> i need help
[01:50] <sataere> Seveas, Thanks :)
[01:50] <snowman1000> grub a program or a text file?
[01:50] <sorush20> guys how do you install a .tgz file...
[01:50] <vinboy> everytime after I enter path in the console
[01:50] <zwnj> thoreauputic: i know :)
[01:50] <vinboy> if I close and restart my console... the PATH is gone
[01:51] <zwnj> thoreauputic: but i'm thinking how ubuntu-developers make their mozilla-firefox ;)
[01:51] <v1ru5> Seveas: any ideas why my logitech USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? and also why doesn't it load the desktop? after i login and give the password all it does is idle with only mouse cursor on the screen..
[01:51] <Seveas> vinboy, that is normal
[01:51] <Seveas> vinboy, if you want to make it permanent, edit ~/.bashrc
[01:51] <vinboy> Seveas, what can I do
[01:51] <vinboy> ok
[01:51] <boga> how do I install a package I have downloaded? When I do the "apt-get install <package-name" routine from the location of the file, apt says it cannot find it. I have also added the /home/boga/downloads path to the sources list.
[01:51] <Jugan> i installed a new version of OpenOffice, and I wanted to delete the old one which was installed with ubuntu...how do i do this?
[01:52] <sataere> Seveas, Okay that gives me back a listing of eight pretty mundane looking variables.  Nothing to do with SATA or IDE.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> zwnj: yes, i think they should send a bug report upstream - any linux user knows "make"- but gmake is kind of obscure if you aren't on unix
[01:52] <sataere> Seveas, but I remember hdparm from when I fixed the problem under gentoo.
[01:52] <Seveas> sataere, if it's sata it will be /dev/sd* if it's simply IDE/ATA it's /dev/hd*
[01:53] <snowman1000> to run a program is         sh "program name"?
[01:53] <Seveas> sataere, probably you want to enable dma if it's not on yet
[01:53] <sataere> Seveas, yes!  That was the problem, thank you.
[01:54] <lordfreak> Seveas Zukalk Thakyou very much... my fonts now are Nice
[01:54] <lordfreak> :****
[01:54] <zukalk> lordfreak, anytime
[01:54] <sataere> Seveas, Hmm...dma is enabled, but it's still giving the massive slow down.  That was the problem under gentoo though, thanks.  :)
[01:55] <v1ru5> any ideas why my logitech USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? (i figure logitech USB mouses are pretty popular and should be supported?) .. and also why doesn't it load the desktop properly? i mean, after i login and give the password all it does is idle with only mouse cursor on the screen, and nothing else.
[01:55] <v1ru5> doesn't load anything etc
[01:56] <zukalk> Seveas, is there something you can apt-get to have those kde GUI theme in qtconfig? i only have them 'cause i once did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, which gives a hard time removing..
[01:56] <skyhawker> is there an easy way of finding all my ntfs partitions and mounting them...I forgot to check the changes I made to whatever file it was before I switched to 32-bit
[01:56] <v1ru5> and btw, when my system boots, after the line "starting ubuntu" comes in, there's like 60 sec lag before it really starts to load the system
[01:57] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: type  sudo fdisk -l I guess
[01:57] <Jugan> help me please...i want to install mplayer
[01:57] <sataere> Seveas, do you think the slowdown could be an option missing from fstab?
[01:57] <Jugan> help me please...i want to install mplayer
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Jugan: look at ubotu 's URL below
[01:57] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[01:57] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:58] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, can I automatically mount them somehow...maybe with the labels they had in wondows *hope* :)
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Jugan: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories  (mplayer is in multiverse)
[01:59] <sataere> Would dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr.backup bs=256 count=1 copy my mbr record?
[01:59] <cyphase> has anyone gotten the Philips HDD120 Recording Audio Jukebox to work on ubuntu?
[01:59] <cyphase> my cousin is having problems..
[01:59] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: you might need to add them to /etc/fstab
[02:00] <Seveas> sataere, only if you run it as root :)
[02:00] <sataere> Seveas, of course.
[02:00] <sataere> Seveas, :P
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Seveas: isn't it bs=512 ?
[02:00] <sataere> thoreauputic, is it?
[02:00] <sataere> thoreauputic, that was the part I was unsure about.  :(
[02:00] <thoreauputic> sataere: I'm not sure, but I think so
[02:00] <Seveas> thoreauputic, correct, missed that
[02:01] <sataere> Seveas, thoreauputic alrighty, fixed.
[02:01] <v1ru5> i'm getting ignored here :(
[02:01] <thoreauputic> sataere: :)
[02:01] <DerGraf> hi all
[02:02] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, what would I put under <optioins> in the /etc/fstab
[02:03] <Seveas> v1ru5, about the not logging in: stop using GUI programs as root and delete ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority
[02:03] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, for NTFS parts that is
[02:03] <sataere> v1ru5, I had a problem with metacity where it wouldn't load anything right away either.  Problem with a corrupt saved state, I think.  I let it run for about 20 minutes, and eventually it fixed itself, and once it loaded right I just saved that state and it worked fine from there.  :)
[02:03] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: something like   noauto,ro,user,umask=022 0 0
[02:04] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, so it can only be read only?
[02:04] <Seveas> skyhawker: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:04] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: ntfs is read only , yes
[02:04] <Seveas> skyhawker, and yes, writing to ntfs is not possible. Blame MS for making it proprietary
[02:05] <sataere> skyhawker, the option "ro" makes it "Read Only" hence r.o.
[02:05] <sataere> skyhawker, I think.  O.o;;
[02:05] <skyhawker> Seveas, lol thanks
[02:05] <skyhawker> sataere, true it does
[02:05] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, thanks
[02:05] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: no problem
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :0
[02:05] <thoreauputic> oops
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:06] <sataere> :P
[02:06] <sataere> ;)
[02:06] <Seveas> even is you mount an ntfs drive with rw you cannot write to it :)
[02:06] <v1ru5> Seveas: so those .xauthority and .iceauthority are @ the / ?? e.g. /.iceauthoerity?
[02:06] <cyphase> nvm, she didn't notice the removable storage icon on the desktop
[02:06] <cyphase> *sigh*
[02:06] <Seveas> v1ru5, no in your homedir
[02:07] <v1ru5> sataere: ok i'll try running it for a while..
[02:07] <Seveas> and it's .Xauthority and .ICEauthority (filenames are case sensitive)
[02:07] <v1ru5> Seveas: and i didn't run the GUI as root
[02:07] <sataere> Seveas, I thought there were ways to write to it.  In fact at one point I had to help my friend get around NT security by loading a linux on a floppy, and using a program to reset the administrator password.
[02:07] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: if you want it to mount on boot substitute auto for noauto
[02:07] <skyhawker> fair enough...by the way do I have to copy/paste that winmac_fstab file contents, or can I download it somehow. and how do I run it...
[02:08] <Seveas> sataere, there is captive ntfs but it's unmaintained and simply not good enough anymore
[02:08] <Jugan> help me please...i want to install mplayer <[02:08] <sataere> Seveas, I see.
[02:09] <sataere> Jugan, don't install the package!!!  Compile your own copy.
[02:09] <Seveas> Jugan, there is no mplayer for warty anymore
[02:09] <Seveas> sataere, nonsense...
[02:09] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: it's a script - you need to make it executable or use sh <scriptname>
[02:09] <skyhawker> Also, what's the best anti-virus around at the moment..
[02:10] <sataere> Seveas, nonsense?  Compiling your own copy, you can include all the codecs that ubuntu is uncomfortable with.
[02:10] <Seveas> skyhawker, wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && sudo bash winmac_fstab
[02:10] <hondje> skyhawker: You do know that there's no such thing as a linux virus, right? :)
[02:10] <v1ru5> ?
[02:10] <Jugan> sataere, ill try, but how about dependencies?
[02:10] <hondje> clam-av seems to be popular these days, though
[02:10] <v1ru5> no viruses for linux?
[02:10] <Seveas> sataere, you don't need to compile it yourself to use codecs...
[02:10] <v1ru5> THAT IS SHIT
[02:10] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, oh ok, but I click the link there, and it shows it to me in firefox...do I copy it into my own file, or is there a download option in firefox that I just haven't looked for yet..
[02:10] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: you don't need it unless you are laundering mail for a windows network/nox
[02:10] <v1ru5> THERE ARE VIRUSES FOR LINUX
[02:10] <Seveas> v1ru5, stop shouting...
[02:10] <v1ru5> ok
[02:10] <v1ru5> sorry
[02:10] <hondje> Where?
[02:10] <Jugan> Seveas, really?  So how do I play mpegs?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: it's text - just right click and "save as"
[02:11] <hondje> There are rootkits, but no viruses
[02:11] <Seveas> Jugan, you can download codecs from mplayerhq.hu
[02:11] <bob2> v1ru5: please name one virus in the wild that has affected users in the past 5 years
[02:11] <sataere> Seveas, as far as I know the instructions are to download the million and three codecs before you compile mplayer, so it can link to them.
[02:11] <Seveas> Jugan, or the w32codecs package from the backports repo
[02:11] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, ok I got ...I feel really stupid now :)
[02:11] <Seveas> sataere, that is not trye
[02:11] <Seveas> true*
[02:11] <Geoffrian> Does anyone know how to setup Dell printers???
[02:12] <v1ru5> bob2: bliss?
[02:12] <sataere> bob2, There have been viruses for linux, they just can't do much with the security as it is.
[02:12] <bob2> v1ru5: url to media coverage of it affecting users?
[02:12] <skyhawker> and when I run this file, will these mounts be availavble on startup?
[02:12] <sataere> Seveas, I may be mistaken.
[02:12] <bob2> sataere: I know how viruses and linux work
[02:12] <v1ru5> hey, can i give someone a remote access to my box so they could fix it?
[02:13] <bob2> v1ru5: no
[02:13] <v1ru5> o_O
[02:13] <bob2> do not ask for that in here
[02:13] <Seveas> v1ru5, install openssh-server and give someone an account :)
[02:13] <Jugan> Seveas but you told me there\'s no mplayer in warty
[02:13] <thoreauputic> v1ru5: you worry about viruses but are willing to give strangers root on your machine??
[02:13] <Seveas> Jugan, there used to be one when debian sarge was not released.
[02:13] <v1ru5> using windows XP now..
[02:13] <bob2> giving strangers root access on your machine is highly highly silly
[02:13] <Hajuu> Hey uhm.. I've been trying to follow the ubuntu wiki guide for fixing an ubuntu install after you've installed windows.  The thing that happened to you is not Ubuntus fault...
[02:14] <leroj> how would i remove kubuntu?
[02:14] <Seveas> leroj, what do you wnat instead?
[02:14] <v1ru5> bob2: sorry, but i am really, really really, REALLY FUCKING PISSED here.
[02:14] <bob2> v1ru5: that's awesome, but don't take it out on us
[02:14] <qt2> amd the new sun stuff \o/ ;)
[02:14] <leroj> i installed kubuntu on top of ubuntu
[02:14] <bob2> v1ru5: go and have a cup of tea or go for a walk or something
[02:14] <Seveas> v1ru5, go and be frustrated somewhere else, this is a help channel and we don't need the noise
[02:14] <qt2> ande ven the new k3b \o/
[02:14] <qt2> busy day, eh ;)
[02:14] <v1ru5> Seveas: all i did was installed it and started my machine. now where did i make the error? on the machine starting part?
[02:15] <leroj> i don't want it anymore
[02:15] <Seveas> leroj, use debfoster to prune kubuntu-desktop
[02:15] <bob2> Hajuu: best to just ask about the bit you're having trouble with
[02:15] <thenuke> and bliss is from -97 :) I bet that it havent affected anyone in past 5 years
[02:15] <Seveas> v1ru5, no during install you must have done something funky...
[02:15] <v1ru5> i would just want my linux to work, but the install doesn't work properly, at least on this machine.
[02:15] <v1ru5> Seveas: no i didn't.
[02:15] <sataere> Seveas, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#id2823089 please note under win32, "put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs  BEFORE compiling MPlayer, otherwise no Win32 support will be compiled"
[02:15] <v1ru5> and that's what's so bitchy about it
[02:15] <leroj> debfoster?
[02:15] <v1ru5> coz i knew i didn't do anything wrong
[02:16] <Seveas> v1ru5, then your error report is bullshit, you should have said that during install funky things happened...
[02:16] <v1ru5> and it doesn't work
[02:16] <bob2> you "knew"? how?
[02:16] <ubuntudigger> i have finaly found a correct driver for my printer, downloaded to my desktop, but when i try to install my new driver in printer driver , it says: can only install ppd files an my driver is not an ppd
[02:16] <bob2> 9/10 times install problems are bad cds
[02:16] <thenuke> whoa :D bliss had commandline option --bliss-uninfect-files-please  which worked :D
[02:16] <Seveas> leroj, it's a program you run from the terminal. read its manpage for more info (package debfoster)
[02:16] <v1ru5> because you can't do much errors in the default install .. or at least i didn't
[02:16] <bob2> v1ru5: have you verified the cd yet?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> sataere: but there's no need for that since mplayer is available in the multiverse repo and w32codecs from hoary extras
[02:16] <Seveas> v1ru5, you can do a lot wrong in the default install...
[02:16] <v1ru5> nah
[02:17] <Seveas> like not verifying the cd...
[02:17] <bob2> v1ru5: then go do that before whinging
[02:17] <bob2> usually that's the problem
[02:17] <v1ru5> yeah well, i tried to verify it, but ubuntu doesn't detect the cd's @ cdrom
[02:17] <v1ru5> :/
[02:17] <Seveas> you can verify it under windows...
[02:17] <v1ru5> can i do it from windoz?
[02:17] <v1ru5> how?
[02:17] <Seveas> verify the iso before burnign it and the cd after burning it
[02:18] <Seveas> v1ru5, download the MD5SUMS from releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ and use an md5sum checker
[02:18] <Seveas> (search download.com for one)
[02:18] <sataere> thoreauputic, perhaps, but last time I installed it (admittedly a long time ago) it refused to work.  And the point is, the codecs are necessary before compiling to work, contrary to Seveas
[02:18] <Hajuu> bob2: Well the problem is that when I try to reinstall grub as my boot manager by running grub and typing "root (hd0,2)" then it says something about how it cannot mount the filesystem or something.. And im not sure why. Running grub-install /dev/hda results in more or less the same result.
[02:18] <ubuntudigger> the drivers named: brscan-0.0.12-0.i386.deb,
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> md5sum -c input_file
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> ?
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> heh windows..
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> teh suck
[02:19] <bob2> Hajuu: paste the output from grub-install to #flood
[02:19] <Seveas> sataere, bullshit, codecs are loaded dynamically...
[02:19] <thoreauputic> sataere: well, i haven't compiled it - i use the Ubuntu package
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> just compile the mplayer cvs like i'm doing atm..
[02:19] <Seveas> and mplayer on ubuntu is compiled withou having any codecs nearby...
[02:20] <exhu> I have trouble setting up the network :(
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> got a script that runs every few hours..
[02:20] <ubuntudigger> i cant get my printer to work, please help me
[02:20] <v1ru5> Seveas: umm. i cannot check the iso sum, coz i have it at my place, which is 350km's away from this place.. does it help if i just check the cd's md5?
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> i dont have a printer.. that sucks more.
[02:20] <Seveas> v1ru5, sure
[02:20] <thoreauputic> sataere: BTW the directory for w32codecs codecs in ubuntu is /usr/lib/win32
[02:20] <Hajuu> I can't because I'm on windows. I'm using a live cd to work from cause' I am unable to boot to ubuntu (Thats what i'm trying to fix) and I have no internet access from there.
[02:20] <Whistler> i have Huge Question.Whats the difference between linux and unix?
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> and that doesnt make sense @ all
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> shoudl be under /usr/local/lib/codecs
[02:21] <exhu> the ubuntu machine got IP: <IP_ADDRESS>, another (windows) machine got ip: <IP_ADDRESS>.  When I type ping <IP_ADDRESS> from Windows host, it says 6 packets sent/received ok. But linux host doesn't see this Windows machine's IP. What's the problem?
[02:21] <sataere> Seveas, please view comment: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#id2823089
[02:21] <ubuntudigger> how can i install a new driver in ubuntu
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> windwos firewall..
[02:21] <Seveas> Whistler, unix is an OS created by AT&T and a registered trademark. Linux is a kernel created by Linus Torvalds that aims to be compatible with Unix
[02:21] <bob2> ubuntudigger: it's fairly unlikely that you need this
[02:22] <bob2> ubuntudigger: you're sure the ubuntu printer driver set doesn't do your printer?
[02:22] <Whistler> thx
[02:22] <lsuactiafner> exhu : disable the windows firewall or put the linux pc on trusted.
[02:22] <hondje> I'm still confused on that...cups and sane are drivers, usbstore is a module, right?
[02:22] <lsuactiafner> windows created a broken tcp/ip stack also to be more 'secure' tho bsd and linux implements it and they are secure.
[02:22] <ubuntudigger> yes, i am sure cant find the proper driver in the system
[02:22] <bob2> usbstore is a kernel module, I'd guess
[02:22] <exhu> lsuactiafner, thanks.
[02:22] <bob2> which is in some sense a driver
[02:22] <Seveas> sataere, so funny: why does the ubuntu package works *perfectly* without having ubuntu codecs anywhere near while being compiled....
[02:23] <bob2> printers don't need to be handles by the kernel, though
[02:23] <skyhawker> why don't most things add themselves to the menus when they are installed...
[02:23] <chrissturm> hmm, is it a bug that i can open one file multiple times in gedit? or is that *by design* ?
[02:23] <suldal> what do I have to do to be able to play dvd's?
[02:23] <suldal> The dvd player plays averything but dvd's
[02:23] <Seveas> sataere, probably because ubuntu devs are smart enough to edit compile-time flags....
[02:23] <bob2> suldal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:23] <sataere> Seveas, no idea.  O.o  I'm just going on what the site says.
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> skyhawker : because its annoyin as hell to have a clutered menu.
[02:23] <ubuntudigger> are using a brother d printer, called DCP4020C in a local wireless home network
[02:23] <vinboy> does ubuntu use gnome 2?
[02:24] <hondje> vinboy: 2.10
[02:24] <skyhawker> lsuactiafner, I know, but I never know where to look after I install something..
[02:24] <bob2> vinboy: 2.10, yes
[02:24] <vinboy> thanks
[02:24] <Seveas> chrissturm, by design
[02:24] <ubuntudigger> found the correct driver for linux at brother.no
[02:24] <thoreauputic> skyhawker:  dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
[02:24] <sataere> Seveas, probably so.  I was never debating that, just that for compilation one needs the codecs pre-installed, according to mplayer.
[02:24] <v1ru5> Seveas: lol
[02:24] <v1ru5> sorry bob2 and Seveas, you were right all along
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> skyhawker : open a terminal and type in the name of the program you installed whilest pressing tab after every second letter you type in
[02:24] <v1ru5> the md5 is busted
[02:25] <Seveas> v1ru5, before trying to burn it again: check the md5sum of the iso
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> where does gnome store menu entries btw?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: I think my solution is less trouble ;-)
[02:25] <Seveas> and burn it at low speed (like 4x)
[02:25] <v1ru5> Seveas: so redownload..
[02:25] <v1ru5> ok
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> thoreauputic : yeh
[02:25] <Geoffrian> Can anyone help me get a Dell printer running in Ubuntu??
[02:25] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, slocate .desktop
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> mine is easier to remember
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[02:26] <chrissturm> seveas: is the rationale documented somewhere. looks like an evil bug to me. i can open one file two times, make vchanges to one version, save it, the otther buffer still has the old version.
[02:26] <ubuntudigger> but dont know how to install it properly, gets this message, can only install files whith .ppd
[02:27] <hondje> chrissturm: that's a feature
[02:27] <chrissturm> a feature in the IBM sense of it?
[02:27] <Delgul> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:27] <Delgul> oops :-)
[02:28] <chrissturm> hondje: its not how anyone would expect a texteditor to act
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : feature since i open a file, edit it, run changes, if broken i revert to my buffered copy
[02:28] <leroj> eek my banana
[02:28] <hondje> chrissturm: it's just the way unix works, so IBM way is exactly it :)
[02:28] <squareyes> evening all,   totem-xine loses sound randomly on all vidoe formats,   sudo killall esd fixes it, any ideas as to why this happens.
[02:28] <Seveas> chrissturm, I for one consider it to be a bug, but it is a feature, search domewher on the gedit site...
[02:28] <sataere> Wow, my first test for mplayer and mplayerplug-in packages: it crashes firefox.
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> squareyes : heard ubuntu had broken ac52 package..
[02:28] <chrissturm> hondje: that has nothing to do with how unix works. no text editor works that way
[02:28] <chrissturm> seveas: thx
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> squareyes : but i think you should run mplayer instead
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -ao alsa
[02:29] <thoreauputic> squareyes: because esd is pure evil ;-)
[02:29] <bob2> squareyes: configure xine to used esd
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : all text editors work like that in unix
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : and we prefer it like this.
[02:29] <chrissturm> lsuactiafner: you = "the unix people"
[02:29] <squareyes> thanks lsuactiafner and bob2
[02:30] <hondje> "the kool-aide drinkers"
[02:30] <chrissturm> it still is a bug
[02:30] <chrissturm> i dont think kate works that way, i know jedit doesnt do it
[02:30] <bob2> I'd be annoyed if I could only open a file once in a text editor
[02:30] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : not a bug, its a feature.
[02:30] <bob2> I edit the same file in multiple emacs buffers all the time
[02:30] <hondje> Then they're using lockfiles or something silly, vi has always done that
[02:30] <bob2> nuking changes is pretty dumb, tho, so that's a bug
[02:30] <hondje> not lockfiles, allowd you to open it twice
[02:31] <drummer87> but you open one file, edit it then find it in an older state later back in the tabs
[02:31] <ubuntudigger> isnt there anyone that can help me whith my printer problem
[02:31] <drummer87> can be quite confusing at times
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : i sometimes open 1 file in 5 consoles and commit changes in one console while browsin up and down the file lookin @ prior revisions
[02:31] <hondje> drummer87: it can be, I agree
[02:31] <hondje> But it's not something that anyone is ever going to change
[02:32] <hondje> well, maybe in gedit, but it's an application thing, they're just doing what unix says is okay
[02:32] <drummer87> no, one just has to remember what they're working on better
[02:32] <drummer87> and not be so forgettful
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> i'd rather nuke changes than nuke my backups
[02:32] <chrissturm> hondje: unix has no "opinion" how a text editor should work
[02:33] <lsuactiafner> joe does read the last modified time and warns the user that the current file is newer than the buffered file
[02:33] <hondje> Of course it doesn't have an actual opinion, learn colloquial english
[02:34] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: unix people, on the other hand, have *strong* opinions on the subject :D
[02:34] <hondje> the operating system isn't going to say 'dont' do that', it's up to the application, and most people making unix text editors prefer it works normallly
[02:34] <chrissturm> hondje: nedit is around much longer than gedit and it doenst open a file more than once
[02:34] <oliwer> hi all
[02:34] <bob2> killing changes is dumb
[02:34] <lsuactiafner> bleh use joe screw vi ect
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : killin backups is worse
[02:35] <hondje> 'most'
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> buffered backups rock.
[02:35] <bob2> yes, as is setting pets on fire
[02:35] <chrissturm> thoreauputic: yeah, i figured it out already ;)
[02:35] <oliwer> Nedit is great :p
[02:35] <bob2> chrissturm: you can file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:35] <bob2> I'd sugfgest "enhancement" severity
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> changes you can redo, backups aint repalable.
[02:35] <nikkia> seveas, actually, these days, unix is a set of specifications for a standard posix based system :)
[02:35] <bob2> lsuactiafner: that's why you should use revision control for everything
[02:35] <hondje> I thought unix was a name you get when you pay someone money
[02:35] <hondje> :)
[02:36] <nikkia> hondje: yeah, AND you meet the set of specifications
[02:36] <ubuntudigger> no one is answering,really need help, if i dont get my printer to work i have to install windows again, and i dont really want that
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> unix dork is the name you get for debating howto commit changes.
[02:36] <bob2> ubuntudigger: try asking on the ubuntu-user list, it seems no one here knows the answer to your question
[02:37] <oliwer> ubuntudigger> what is your printer anyway ?
[02:37] <sorush20> is there anything like scan disk available fo ubuntu,
[02:37] <nikkia> ubuntudigger, do you have bluez installed?
[02:37] <ubuntudigger> brother d, dcp-4020c
[02:37] <bob2> sorush20: no need, usually; if there's a problem, fsck will run automatically
[02:38] <bob2> unless it's reiser, then you lose
[02:38] <ubuntudigger> nikkia: i dont know
[02:38] <hondje> unix permissions are pretty stupid too
[02:38] <bob2> hondje: how so?
[02:38] <Seveas> nikkia, POSIX is the set of specifications...
[02:38] <hondje> not much fine tuning
[02:38] <Seveas> nikkia, UNIX still is the At&T trademark
[02:38] <nikkia> seveas, there is a further set of specs that define UNIX compliance
[02:38] <bob2> hondje: right, but acls are way more complicated
[02:38] <chrissturm> is there a good programmers editor for gnome?
[02:39] <nikkia> seveas, no, 'UNIX' these days has little to do with AT&T, it is a name you can attach to your OS if you meet the UNIXxx specs
[02:39] <hondje> yeah, first time I tried to impliment them I died
[02:39] <Seveas> nikkia, there are more specification sets, but none is called UNIX
[02:39] <bob2> hondje: unix permissions are very simple to use and manage.  if you do need some thing more complicated, tho, you can use unix acls.
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Seveas: afaik UNIX is a trademark of the Open Group
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> sorush20 : every 20 reboots fsck/scandisk runs.. but if you kill the power to your pc linux runs a fsck in the background and ou dont notice or wait for it
[02:39] <Seveas> thoreauputic, ah true, it's been transferred
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> and DO NOT run fsck on your own
[02:39] <hondje> bob2: I know about (and have used) acls, but it seems to me that there 'should' be some sort of medium
[02:39] <bob2> chrissturm: most FS programmers I know use vim or emacs
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> or you kill your disk easily..
[02:39] <MonsieurBon> hello
[02:39] <nikkia> Seveas: TOG made it so that anyone can apply to call their system 'UNIX'
[02:39] <Seveas> and there is the 'Singel Unix Specification' that is sort of an extended posix
[02:40] <bob2> and SUS is freely avilable, unlike POSIX
[02:40] <nikkia> Seveas: basically, you need to adhere to to the specifications for the UNX95/2000 whatever specs
[02:40] <sexcopter8000m> hi, i'm in windows at the mo. i had an empty ntfs partition, have deleted it and want to make it fat so i can share files between ubuntu and windows, but when i go through the format process, ntfs is the only option. can anyone help?
[02:40] <Seveas> nikkia, ah, url to more info please :)
[02:40] <bob2> sexcopter8000m: you might be better off just formatting it from ubuntu then
[02:40] <nikkia> seveas, its on TOG's website somewhere, i forget the URL
[02:40] <chrissturm> bob2: i was thinking more in the direction of something like kdevelop
[02:40] <nikkia> seveas, there was talk about IBM paying for linux to be UNIX2000 certified
[02:40] <sorush20> guys a number of times I have had to reinstall Ubuntu due to an error that occurs and an scan process starts but terminates and is unable to fix anything... It searches for nodes and it returns that it can not be read and do you want to force overwrite... this goes on for ever... does any one have any suggestions if this happens again...
[02:40] <bob2> chrissturm: there's monodevelop, but it's only for C#
[02:40] <bob2> eclipse is apparently nice for Java
[02:40] <oliwer> ubuntudigger> http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/brother-list/2004q4/000839.html
[02:41] <hondje> I like qtdeveloper thingie, a child can make an app with that :)
[02:41] <Seveas> bob2, for python too
[02:41] <sexcopter8000m> ok, if i boot into ubuntu now, i'll brb and then someone can kindly point me in the right direction :)
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> sorush20 : runs ext3
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> not ext2
[02:41] <Seveas> hondje, and that's exactly what happend: kiddies writing KDE crap
[02:41] <Seveas> :0
[02:41] <Seveas> ;)
[02:41] <bob2> sorush20: why are you having so much disk corruption?
[02:41] <MonsieurBon> I want to do the following: There are 1295 files in a directory, I'd like to download with wget. Can I use a for-thing to do that? or do I have to download all the files manually? the files are named 1.txt to 1295.txt
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> and learn fsck -a -y /dev/bleh next time youhave an ext2 error
[02:41] <nikkia> seveas, when IBM has finally killed AIX, they will probably want to be able to claim their linux systems as 'UNIX[tm] ' so it would make sense for them to do it
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> MonsieurBon : i'll paste you a line to do that
[02:42] <sorush20> bob2 I don't have any when windows is running...
[02:42] <hondje> Seveas: that's a good thing in my book
[02:42] <oliwer> monsieurBon ?
[02:42] <hondje> more crap the merrier, people like crap :)
[02:42] <bob2> sorush20: are you just turning your computer off without shutting down or something?
[02:43] <hondje> once you get a kid writing nonsense like I do with qtdeveloper, they're more likely to stick around making linux apps, that can only be good
[02:43] <nikkia> Seveas: http://www.theopengroup.org/certification/unix-home.html
[02:43] <sorush20> no.. its been left on and after a few hours it  seems to happen... and I don't know what has happend... or anything..
[02:43] <sorush20> bob2,
[02:43] <nikkia> seveas, basically, you pays yer money, you makes yer OS adhere to the 'single unix specification' and you get to call it UNIX :)
[02:44] <sorush20> does any one here have an antivirus running...
[02:44] <Seveas> nikkia, I see
[02:44] <bob2> you don't need antivirus software on ubuntu
[02:44] <leroj> woo
[02:44] <nikkia> seveas, interestingly, i note there is a 'UNIX03' now
[02:44] <sorush20> okay... how about firewall..
[02:44] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I expect IBM will wait until the lawyers have wiped the floor with SCO ;)
[02:44] <bob2> sorush20: so, what exactly is happening to your system?
[02:44] <bob2> sorush20: it just randomly crashes?
[02:44] <nikkia> thoreauputic: probably
[02:44] <oliwer> guarddog is a nice firewall
[02:45] <nikkia> thoreauputic: it also makes no real sense until they fully drop AIX - they still sell it on a few systems
[02:45] <thoreauputic> nikkia: indeed
[02:45] <hondje> I never knew they were going to drop it :(
[02:46] <nikkia> hondje: they've been saying they're going to drop it for about 5 years now :)
[02:46] <sorush20> bob2, yes.. it seems to randomly crash and all I see is the boot loader failing... it seems to be scanning the disk... then it fails and asks me to scan manually with the command fsck, I do this and it finds unreadable nodes and just keeps on prompting me to force overwrite..
[02:46] <hondje> shows how much I pay attention :)
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: no, back up
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: why is this happening to begin with?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> hondje: "You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows"
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: it runs fine, and sometimes just spontaneously reboots?
[02:46] <nikkia> hondje: basically, each time they get linux supporting some feature X that their big iron supports, they drop AIX a little more from the product lineup
[02:46] <sexcopter8000m> hi again. so, what should i use to partition?
[02:47] <hondje> that's a shame, AIX is nice
[02:47] <bob2> sexcopter8000m: didn't you want to format an existing partition?
[02:47] <hondje> easy enough that even I can use it
[02:47] <sorush20> bob2, I have never actually been around the computer to see what happens but guessing form the fact that the boot is recuuring I would say yes...
[02:47] <bob2> that's screwed up, you need to fix that first
[02:48] <sexcopter8000m> well, it was a logical drive on an extended partition, so i wondered if that restricted it to ntfs, so i deleted it and it made no difference
[02:48] <ablyss> good day all
[02:48] <bob2> sexcopter8000m: er, you've made this a lot more complicated now
[02:48] <sexcopter8000m> basically as it was, i had an 80gig hdd, split in 2. first half was a primary partition with windows on, second was an extended partition with a logical doobery
[02:48] <sexcopter8000m> oh =(
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> well i can go back and make a partition in windows, under ntfs
[02:49] <bob2> that might be easier
[02:49] <bob2> tho it's not hard under ubuntu, either
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> is it ok to make it a primary partition?
[02:49] <Nard> how do i join a winxp work group
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> windows says you can have up to 4
[02:49] <bob2> that's fine
[02:49] <bob2> Nard: what do you want to do in it?
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> ok, back soon! :)
[02:49] <Seveas> Nard, by installing samba...
[02:50] <Nard> bob2, i want to transfer files from one to another
[02:50] <Seveas> but you don't need to install samba if you want to access shared folders on a windows system
[02:50] <Nard> is there a better way then what i was thinking
[02:50] <bob2> then just use nautilus
[02:50] <Nard> but it won't reconize the other computers
[02:50] <Aladdin--> hi guys :)
[02:52] <dim> anybody knows about how I can see a Windows partition with Linux?
[02:52] <Nard> bob2, this is what i have set up
[02:52] <bob2> dim: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:52] <Nard> i have 2 computers on a workgroup
[02:53] <Nard> and this third linux box isnt' on it
[02:53] <nikkia> Seveas: harsh ban
[02:53] <dim> thanks, bob2
[02:53] <Seveas> dim: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:53] <Aladdin--> Could somebody give me the comand line to mount an VFAT volume with read/write permissions to all users .
[02:53] <nikkia> Seveas: a LOT of uk users are on pol.co.uk
[02:53] <Seveas> Aladdin--, see my last line :)
[02:53] <Seveas> nikkia, i'll remove it in 5 minutes :)
[02:53] <hondje> a metric lot
[02:54] <Aladdin--> Seveas, thx but I prefer to do it manually for now (running live cd)
[02:55] <Seveas> Aladdin--, mount -t vfat /dev/yourdrive /path/to/mountpoint -o user,umask=0000
[02:55] <Aladdin--> sean13_,  thx alot :o)
[02:55] <Aladdin--> oups
[02:55] <Aladdin--> Seveas, thx alot
[02:56] <Seveas> stupid server puts all bans back that I removed the past days...
[02:56] <HWolf> Seveas, that looked like you went on a banning spree. :)
[02:56] <Seveas> HWolf, unbanning :)
[02:57] <HWolf> Seveas: aware of that, but someone had to ban them first. ;)
[02:57] <Seveas> HWolf, those were collected bans from late june - early july
[02:57] <ablyss> +b *!*@* << harsh ban :P
[02:57] <Seveas> crappy server put them back after I removed them
[02:57] <sexcopter8000m> hi there, ok the drive is formatted as a primary partition in ntfs. now in ubuntu can i just reformat it to use fat?
[02:58] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, sure
[02:58] <Seveas> mkfs.vfat /dev/your_ntfs_partition
[02:58] <sexcopter8000m> ok, and what's the command to view the list of partitions?
[02:58] <Seveas> sudo fdisk -l
[02:58] <sexcopter8000m> i don't want to guess wrong ;)
[02:59] <sexcopter8000m> though i guess it'll be sda2
[02:59] <ablyss> anyone seen the movie "The Island"  i saw it last night
[03:00] <ablyss> pretty good
[03:00] <peter_> anyone here have experience installing mono/xsp/mod_mono etc using atp get?
[03:00] <bob2> peter_: best to just ask about the problem you're having
[03:01] <peter_> i get the message" Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.1.7) but it is not going to be installed"
[03:01] <dim> seveas: i downloaded the script, but how do I run it? (i am learning linux ...)
[03:01] <peter_> i thought apt-get would install my dependencies automatically
[03:01] <Seveas> dim, sudo bash winmac_fstab (instructions are in the script too)
[03:01] <bob2> peter_: it will, if they're available
[03:01] <bob2> peter_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:04] <bob2> peter_: don't use packages meant for Debian with Ubuntu
[03:04] <AlexBO> Hello! I don't know why, but it seems that i lost my login settings's program.How can i reinstall it?
[03:05] <sexcopter8000m> ok Seveas, it is sda2, so would i do "mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2"?
[03:05] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, correct
[03:05] <sexcopter8000m> do i have to sudo that? and just to check, will windows be able to read and write to "vfat"?
[03:05] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yes and yes
[03:06] <sexcopter8000m> cool, fingers crossed!
[03:06] <Seveas> AlexBO, 'login settings program'?
[03:06] <AlexBO> Seveas: that program where i can set, for example, the image of login
[03:06] <Seveas> AlexBO, that would be gdmphotosetup
[03:07] <Seveas> sudo gdmsetup sets other tings
[03:07] <sexcopter8000m> hmm, the cursor's just flashing on the following line. should it take long?
[03:08] <sexcopter8000m> it doesn't seem to be "accessing" the disk
[03:08] <AlexBO> Seveas: I've disinstalled gdm!!!what have i done?!!!
[03:08] <Seveas> it takes a while...
[03:08] <Seveas> AlexBO, did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:08] <TD> how do I get static libraries on ubuntu?
[03:08] <TD> they don't seem to be in the -dev packages
[03:09] <Seveas> TD, be a bit more specific....
[03:09] <AlexBO> Seveas: i've ubuntu.i have installed gnome-audio and it have disinstalled my gdm
[03:09] <TD> Seveas: I need .a files for gtkmm
[03:09] <Seveas> AlexBO, odd...
[03:09] <TD> Seveas: on fedora, static archives are in the -devel packages which is what I need. but not on ubuntu
[03:09] <thelow> hello. is there someone i could address a newbie question_
[03:10] <sexcopter8000m> ok, think it's done. do i check by sudo fdisk -l?
[03:10] <Seveas> TD, why would you need static libgtkmm libraries..?
[03:10] <AlexBO> Seveas: where can i set the sounds?
[03:10] <sexcopter8000m> that still says ntfs...
[03:10] <leroj> secopter?
[03:10] <leroj> sexcopter
[03:10] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yeah, you shouls change that with sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[03:10] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yeah, you shouls change that with sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[03:10] <TD> Seveas: that's a bit hard to explain right now
[03:10] <Seveas> the c is important
[03:10] <sexcopter8000m> leroj hello
[03:10] <TD> Seveas: suffice it to say, that they're often useful
[03:10] <Seveas> TD, dynamic libraries work just as fine with a good compiler and runtime system
[03:11] <Seveas> (such as what Ubuntu has)
[03:11] <TD> Seveas: do you know the answer to my question, or not?
[03:11] <Seveas> (unlike incompatibility heaven Crap Hat)
[03:11] <thelow> i need to find out how to activate the root account, in order to compile emacs
[03:11] <Seveas> TD, i'm searching for it
[03:11] <TD> and in this case, i need .a files so it's ubuntu that's being crap
[03:11] <TD> thanks
[03:11] <chibifs> sudo passwd?
[03:12] <chibifs> to thelow*
[03:12] <Seveas> thelow, you do NOT need a root account to compile emacs
[03:12] <marcin> hi all
[03:12] <Seveas> thelow, that is pure nonsense
[03:12] <thelow> ok. great
[03:12] <marcin> I installed mplayer on ubuntu hoary
[03:12] <chrissturm> is there anything i can do to fix breezy X keyboard problems?
[03:12] <mikul> hi
[03:12] <marcin> and I got a question - how to change font in gmplayer? this default one is too big
[03:12] <chibifs> chrissturm - What error are you getting?
[03:13] <Seveas> TD, libgtkmm-dev has /usr/lib/libgtkmm.a
[03:13] <Seveas> and .la and .so
[03:13] <thelow> i just got a @no cc in $path when trying to compile it
[03:13] <Seveas> TD, libgtkmm2.0-dev too
[03:13] <marcin> could someone help me with this? I also got simmilar problem with amule
[03:13] <chrissturm> chibifs: i have no national characters and the keyboard properties dialog segfaults
[03:13] <TD> hmmm
[03:13] <TD> that's odd
[03:13] <TD> i wonder why this guy thinks it doesn't
[03:13] <chibifs> Hmmmm :/
[03:14] <Seveas> TD, apt-file says it does
[03:14] <Seveas> apt-file is authoritative on that :)
[03:14] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i've got a list of filesystem types, can't see vfat though =(
[03:14] <TD> Seveas: what about libgtkmm2.4-dev?
[03:14] <bob2> apt-file isn't authorative
[03:14] <bob2> it depends on the Contents files on the mirrors
[03:14] <bob2> which are only regenerated occasionally
[03:15] <NowhereZ> does anybody have ALC 880 sound card working?
[03:15] <Seveas> bob2, true, but for Hoary it can be called authoritative
[03:15] <vader1102> bob2: I just ordered the cd for ubuntu web site, about how long for them to be shipped to Canada?
[03:15] <Seveas> TD, no such package
[03:15] <bob2> vader1102: give it a few weeks
[03:16] <TD> Seveas: hmm, really
[03:16] <bob2> it varies a lot
[03:16] <vader1102> k...thanx
[03:16] <Seveas> TD, ah, my mistake
[03:17] <TD> Seveas: there should be one .... gtkm2.4 isn't compatible with gtkmm2.0
[03:17] <Seveas> it's lingtkmm-2.4-dev :)
[03:17] <Seveas> lib*
[03:17] <TD> right
[03:17] <TD> does that have .a files in it?
[03:17] <Seveas> looking....
[03:17] <vader1102> bob2: found out why you said it appears my kernel was quite old...it is lol hense the reason for ordering the new one
[03:17] <Seveas> TD, just .la and .so
[03:17] <TD> Seveas: why would the different versions of gtkmm be different like that?
[03:18] <Seveas> TD, ENOIDEA
[03:18] <Seveas> read the cahngelogs ;)
[03:19] <sexcopter8000m> Seveas, sorry to keep pestering, but what do i want for vfat here? http://users.fission.org.uk/~sexcopter/filesystemtypes.png
[03:19] <TD> Seveas: can i read them on the web anywhere?
[03:19] <Seveas> TD, yes
[03:19] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, 0C
[03:19] <dim> seveas: any way I can WRITE smething to the mounted disk? I can now read my Windows partition, but can't write anything on it
[03:20] <bob2> you can't write to NTFS
[03:20] <dim> ok, thanks
[03:24] <sexcopter8000m> Thanks Seveas! Last thing, in fstab, will i put the type as vfat? or fat32?
[03:24] <bob2> vfat
[03:24] <sexcopter8000m> ok, cheers
[03:24] <Crembo> hey all! I've just downloaded and burned the Ubuntu combo installer+live+large fries DVD. after booting with it, how do I select which route to take? (currently, I'm a windows user with zero linux knowledge).
[03:25] <TD> Seveas: where?
[03:25] <Seveas> Crembo, when you boot from it, you select install-or-live
[03:25] <pcharky> Crembo: which route?
[03:25] <sexcopter8000m> i've only changed the ntfs to vfat in the line - now reads "/dev/sda2       /media/D        vfat    umask=0222      0       0". Ok?
[03:25] <Crembo> Live CD.
[03:25] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, ok
[03:25] <sexcopter8000m> cool :)
[03:25] <Seveas> TD, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/
[03:25] <sexcopter8000m> other people who know me know i'm often paranoid ;)
[03:26] <Crembo> I've been searching around the forums and documentation to figure out the exact series of steps I need to take in order to dual-boot with my XP. unfortunately, all I've come across so far was jumbled, not quite clear and/or conflicting.
[03:26] <TD> ta
[03:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any1 ever used kdevelop?
[03:26] <Crembo> at least they were all reassuringly titled "I tried this and it works perfectly!"
[03:26] <sexcopter8000m> ok, there may be slicker ways, but i'm going to reboot to see if it mounts ok, brb
[03:26] <bob2> Crembo: install ubuntu.  enjoy automatically setup dual-boot-ability.
[03:26] <pcharky> Crembo: Do you mean how you can boot the livecd?
[03:27] <pcharky> Crembo: Sorry, never mind.
[03:27] <Crembo> pcharky: yes. bob2: are you quite certain? I have a fairly unique setup in that there are already two partitions standing ready on my primary slave. I'm not even sure if they're primary or logical ones.
[03:28] <bob2> the primary slave has nothing to do with it
[03:28] <TD> Seveas: they seem incomplete. i can't find libgtkmm-2.4-dev on there
[03:28] <TD> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/
[03:28] <TD> in fact even libgtk is missing
[03:28] <Crembo> the thing that made me uneasy was reading - repeatedly - that installing a linux bootloader where it belongs (the MBR) will royally bad_word my windows install.
[03:28] <bob2> presumably they're in g/gtk/
[03:28] <bob2> or g/gtk2.0/ or something
[03:28] <TD> oh, i see
[03:28] <TD> yeah
[03:28] <TD> not named consistently
[03:28] <bob2> Crembo: it will absolutely nuke the windows boot loaders and replace it with grub
[03:28] <bob2> grub will be setup with options to boot windows or ubuntu
[03:29] <pcharky> Crembo: You can boot windows from grub.
[03:29] <Crembo> hoary does all that automatically during install?
[03:29] <bob2> yes
[03:29] <pcharky> Crembo: Yup.
[03:29] <Seveas> TD, they are named after their source packages of course....
[03:29] <Crembo> I got the impression from the forums and wiki you had to do a complex series of steps to get it to work.
[03:29] <bob2> no
[03:29] <bob2> the forums people sometimes seem to enjoy making things ridiculously complicated
[03:29] <bob2> if grub doesn't come up with options for windows and ubuntu, you've found a bug
[03:30] <pcharky> Crembo: SO you want to install ubuntu.. right?
[03:30] <Crembo> as a matter of fact, this is the page that got me started on my journey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:31] <pcharky> Crembo: Because you started out asking a question about the livecd.
[03:31] <Crembo> pcharky: trying to learn linux, as part of the "onoes Longhorn DRM MS sucks better bail" bandwagon. not noble, but hey, it's something to tinker with in my free time.
[03:31] <Crembo> I was going to mess around with the live CD version first, to get a hang for it. then once I feel comfortable I could put it on my drive and test UT2k4 on it.
[03:31] <bob2> that "howto" is silly, unless you're unlucky and hit a bug
[03:31] <pcharky> Crembo: It doesn't get much nobler than linux...
[03:32] <sexcopter8000m> ok it works fine, just i don't have writing permissions (unless i sudo in console, i guess). How can i change this when i boot up?
[03:32] <Crembo> pcharky: the nobility inferred is that of the reason for switching. I actually like microsoft. their commitment to hebrew can't be beat.
[03:32] <Belutz> hai all....
[03:32] <Belutz> why there is no php5 package in synaptic?
[03:32] <Seveas> Crembo, dual boot with windows requires no special steps at all, it will be taken care off automatically
[03:33] <Dr_Melectaus> Is the help site with info on how to run games on ubuntu ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <Crembo> that is exactly what I wanted to hear. time to dive in head first.
[03:33] <Seveas> Belutz, because hoary was released before there were php5 packages
[03:33] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... so why there's no update?
[03:33] <pcharky> Crembo: you could sign up as a translator ;-)
[03:33] <Seveas> Belutz, add tis to sources.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5
[03:34] <Crembo> pcharky: I'm not sure I'd have the time. being in the army, I don't see home very often :/
[03:34] <Seveas> Belutz, add tis to sources.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary
[03:34] <Belutz> Seveas: is it stable ?
[03:34] <bob2> oh, awesome, whoever edited that page left edit conflicts in there
[03:34] <Seveas> Belutz, it's what everybody uses for php5 :)
[03:34] <Dr_Melectaus> Is the help site with info on how to run games on ubuntu ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <Belutz> Seveas: ok, thx a lot... :)
[03:34] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, please don't repeat...
[03:35] <Belutz> btw, is there already an update for Firefox and Thunderbird?
[03:35] <bob2> yes
[03:35] <Seveas> and ubuntuguide may have some gaming info, you can also search at wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:35] <bob2> but it was buggy
[03:35] <bob2> the unscrewed fix should be there soon
[03:35] <bob2> = days
[03:35] <konrad> Dr_Melectaus: on Ubuntu forums is sticked theard
[03:35] <Seveas> Belutz, the correct version is due monday
[03:35] <Belutz> Seveas: hoorayyyy :D
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks konrad and Seveas
[03:36] <Seveas> Belutz, the second-to-last (aka still correct) debs can be found on seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/ :)
[03:36] <acid2> Where can I find how to install Ati Dirvers in the wiki?
[03:36] <acid2> .ati
[03:36] <acid2> ,ati
[03:36] <acid2> hmmm :P
[03:36] <bob2> acid2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> acid, i think that ati drivers are allready supported
[03:36] <acid2> Thanks
[03:36] <bob2> which should be linked from the faq
[03:36] <pcharky> Got a little question here, I can't make more than 1 app play music with alsa (without esd). Can anybody help me?
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> what kind of card do you have acid?
[03:36] <Belutz> hoorayyyy alonso wins again!!!!
[03:36] <Seveas> pcharky, that's exactly what esd is for....
[03:37] <bob2> pcharky: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[03:37] <konrad> pcharky: use dmix, esd, artsd etc suck
[03:37] <ed1t> i have a fa32 paritititon mounted, but when i tried to copy folders in that drive, it said 'ommiting: directory_name'
[03:37] <Seveas> ed1t, cp -r
[03:37] <ed1t> ooo
[03:37] <ed1t> thx
[03:37] <pcharky> Seveas: I know, but it should be possible with alsa as well, and if i run esd it can't run ut with sound. (I like my own music on the background).
[03:38] <AlexBO> hello!when i login with gdm, i can see a little image with the text "Ubuntu" and there appear icons like nautilus, etc. then the sistem opens. can i change that image?
[03:38] <Seveas> pcharky, bob2 and konrad gave you the answer to that :)
[03:38] <Seveas> AlexBO: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[03:38] <pcharky> Oh, sorry! ;-)
[03:39] <acid2> Dr_Melectaus, radeon 9800
[03:39] <konrad> pcharky: some games need MMAP support
[03:39] <acid2> hardware accel is not enabled by default
[03:39] <konrad> type:        echo "ut.x86 0 0 direct" >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[03:39] <konrad>         echo "ut.x86 0 0 disable" >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[03:40] <Belutz> Seveas: do you work for ubuntu? :)
[03:40] <konrad> of course replace ut.x86 with correct process name
[03:40] <Seveas> Belutz, no
[03:40] <AlexBO> Seveas: where can i find it on the web? can i put it any image? or it have to be as small as the original?
[03:40] <konrad> pcharky: but UT should work with alsa corectly (for example quacke, enemy territorry don't)
[03:40] <pcharky> konrad: Thanx, I'll go and follow the howto.
[03:41] <konrad> pcharky: NP
[03:41] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... but i guess you're one of the developer :D
[03:41] <peter_> thanks for the help before bob2
[03:41] <konrad> AlexBO: gnome-look.org
[03:41] <Lonix> hi all
[03:41] <AlexBO> konrad: i've just been in it.thanks
[03:42] <konrad> AlexBO: :)
[03:42] <phixion> can anyone tell me where I should put metacity files?
[03:42] <Dr_Melectaus> is Cedega free to download?
[03:42] <hondje> Dr_Melectaus: No, but there is a free cvs version that sometimes work
[03:42] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, the cvs version is
[03:43] <Lonix> waht about winmodem in ubuntu  ?
[03:43] <Lonix> what about winmodem in ubuntu  ?
[03:43] <Lonix> it's work fine ?
[03:43] <phixion> Seveas, do you know where I should put theme files?
[03:43] <Dr_Melectaus> cvs version? whats the difference
[03:43] <Lonix> ?
[03:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" wot does this mean?
[03:44] <Dr_Melectaus> and would you happen to know where i can get the cvs version
[03:44] <AlexBO> konrad: and what abou the sounds? in that site there are a dozen, but they aren't so nice...
[03:44] <Seveas> phixion, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[03:44] <bob2> Lonix: depends
[03:44] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, install the build-essential package
[03:44] <bob2> Lonix: usually it's easier to get a proper modem, but some winmodems will work with some fiddling
[03:44] <phixion> ta :)
[03:45] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, any idea where i could get the CVS version
[03:45] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, the forum has links to it
[03:45] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, thanks seceas
[03:45] <Lonix> ?
[03:46] <Lonix> what about winmodem in ubuntu  ?
[03:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, *
[03:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Seveas: thanks :)
[03:46] <wm_eddie> Lonix: If you have a conexant modem and $15 the Linuxant driver works great.
[03:47] <Lonix> thanks all
[03:47] <Belutz> Seveas: i've installed php5 and uninstalled php4, why in my phpinfo() still recognize it as php4 ?
[03:47] <Lonix> bye
[03:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" wot do i do now?
[03:47] <Seveas> Belutz, ENOCLUE, never used php5
[03:47] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, what are you compiling..?
[03:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> a kde applet
[03:48] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... thx anyway :)
[03:48] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: libx11-dev
[03:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10841
[03:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10ks apokryphos
[03:48] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, install kde-dev oslt
[03:48] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, kde-devel
[03:49] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: what's oslt?
[03:49] <apokryphos> whoops
[03:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: what's oslt?
[03:49] <Seveas> or something like that
[03:49] <zerboxx> I have no idea why, but when I try to run amsn, nothing happens at all, any one with an idea of what I should do?
[03:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks to all :)
[03:50] <trevi> zerboxx: try gaim
[03:50] <Seveas> zerboxx, try to run it from a terminal and see what happens
[03:51] <zerboxx> trevi: I hate gaim's buddy icon support, squishes the image, looks horrible
[03:51] <zerboxx> Seveas: Did that, nothing happens
[03:51] <slask3n_> when is firefox supposed to work again?
[03:51] <zerboxx> Seveas: Doesn't spit me back to promt, just blank
[03:51] <Seveas> slask3n_, now if you downgrade, monday for a newer package
[03:51] <Seveas> zerboxx, odd...
[03:52] <slask3n_> k
[03:52] <Belutz> Seveas: i found it, i've installed libapache-mod-php5 while i use apache2, so i have to installed libapache2-mod-php5 instead of libapache-mod-php5
[03:52] <zerboxx> Seveas: I know :)  I'm starting to get weird problems like that, also, my palm wont sync, while it was yesterday *sigh* I will not go back to W$
[03:52] <Seveas> Belutz, hehe :)
[03:53] <Belutz> Seveas: thx for the sources link :)
[03:53] <TD> why does ubuntu-desktop not recommend packages, so ubuntu-desktop can be safely removed?
[03:53] <trevi> zerboxx: do you apt-get amsn?
[03:53] <Seveas> TD, it CAN be safely removed...
[03:53] <TD> well yes, but that's not recommended is it?
[03:53] <TD> then upgrades won't work right
[03:53] <bob2> TD: because it's a Depends relationship
[03:53] <Seveas> it just depends: on packages no packages depend on it
[03:54] <bob2> "a full Ubuntu desktop DEPENDS on having these packages installed"
[03:54] <Seveas> TD, if u-d would just recommend, upgrading would be just as bad as no u-d at all...
[03:54] <Seveas> bob2, true, but 'a full desktop' is not a packages :)
[03:54] <TD> bob2: i thought recommended meant that a dependency would be installed automatically, but it would not stop that dep being removed
[03:54] <bob2> nope
[03:54] <bob2> that's frontend-specific
[03:54] <TD> so what does it mean?
[03:55] <bob2> apt-get ignores recommends by default
[03:55] <TD> what's the point then?
[03:55] <bob2> recommends means that it's recommended that you have it
[03:55] <guybob> hi
[03:55] <bob2> aptitude and synaptic will display them, letting you install them if you like
[03:55] <qt2> i'm wondering... is there a gnome hack that allows for alt+tabbing while having stuff being dragged with the mouse...?
[03:55] <kicolobo> hi
[03:56] <kicolobo> I had just installed Ubuntu and have some doubts
[03:56] <TD> bob2: so basically there's no way to remove gaim (for instance, if you want to upgrade it to CVS or the source) without also removing ubuntu-desktop, which may break upgrades
[03:56] <ubuntudigger> ok folks! i quit! going back to windows, no use whith ubuntu whitout a printer working
[03:56] <TD> right?
[03:56] <bob2> TD: yup
[03:56] <apokryphos> TD: that won't really break packages, if you do things correctly.
[03:56] <bob2> TD: so, leave gaim alone and install cvs to /usr/local/
[03:56] <TD> bob2: doesn't that imply maybe a system like fedora package groups should be used instead of a virtual package?
[03:57] <bob2> ubuntudigger: that's a shame, good luck
[03:57] <bob2> TD: why?
[03:57] <Seveas> TD, if you make a dummy package that Provides: gaim upgrades will work :)
[03:57] <bob2> TD: installing random stuff from outside ubuntu is not a common case
[03:57] <TD> bob2: i'd say it's an extremely common case
[03:57] <fabien_> salut  tous
[03:57] <Seveas> TD, it's not...
[03:57] <bob2> TD: well, we're both talking out our arses
[03:57] <TD> given that ubuntu only provides a fraction of the available software in the world. and it's often out of date due to the freeze
[03:57] <bob2> TD: a fraction?
[03:57] <fabien_> qui pourrai me donner un lien pour telecharger de  bon fond d'ecran ubunto
[03:57] <apokryphos> bob2: er, are you serious? You're telling me it's not a common case that a person compiles at least something from elsewhere? Come on now.
[03:57] <Seveas> TD, ehrm, a fraction ?!?
[03:57] <TD> yes
[03:57] <TD> a tiny fraction.
[03:57] <Seveas> fabien_, #ubuntu-fr svp
[03:58] <thenuke> ubuntudigger: install windows and do not remove ubuntu :)
[03:58] <bob2> TD: and that has nothing to do with this, installing random things from outside ubuntu will not affect ubuntu-desktop in any way
[03:58] <TD> given that most software runs on windows, it has to be ;)
[03:58] <Seveas> TD, stop trolling...
[03:58] <qt2> TD, out of date? backports.
[03:58] <bob2> apokryphos: I think you'd be surprised
[03:58] <TD> but even if you restrict the view to only software that runs on linux, it's still nowhere near complete
[03:58] <thenuke> ubuntudigger: what printer you have btw?
[03:58] <TD> i'm not trolling, i'm making a point
[03:58] <bob2> backports are terrible solution
[03:58] <Seveas> TD, you're making a moot point
[03:58] <Seveas> if you call all ramblings made by novice programmers software, you're right
[03:58] <TD> the point is that the design of ubuntu seems to make it extraordinarily difficult to use anything not in the repositories, which is silly
[03:58] <bob2> TD: you can install whatever you want without affecting ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <bob2> TD: no, it doesn't, sorry
[03:59] <qt2> TD, you can always modify ubuntu-desktop. :P
[03:59] <Seveas> TD, that's not true: you can install what you want...
[03:59] <TD> i class building or modifying packages yourself "difficult"
[03:59] <bob2> TD: install whatever you want, anywhere you like.  the only issue is that you can't trivially remove the ubuntu packaged one
[03:59] <qt2> TD, it's very easy to use most non-repo things.
[03:59] <apokryphos> TD: I haven't had ubuntu-desktop installed for, erm, before hoary was out.
[03:59] <TD> well, exactly
[03:59] <Seveas> TD, you don't have to build packages for stuff not in Ubuntu...
[03:59] <ubuntudigger> windows i know how to fix, ubuntu worked perfectly exept for the printer problem, brother d  dcp 4020c, have downloaded the correct driver from brother.no but cant install il
[03:59] <TD> then you get two menu items which look identical, two file associations etc
[03:59] <bob2> so, limit your complain to the actual problem
[03:59] <TD> also /usr/local tends not to work very well
[03:59] <Seveas> TD, nonsense
[03:59] <bob2> in what way does it not work?
[03:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there a "Cool Edit Pro" for Linux
[03:59] <Seveas> /usr/local works fine...
[04:00] <TD> eg, $FOO_PATHs are often not set up for it. BONOBO_ACTIVATION_PATH, PKG_CONFIG_PATH, a bunch of other obscure paths i forget
[04:00] <bob2> ubuntudigger: yes, you told us.  it's shame you decided to go to windows instead of just asking on the mailing list, but that's life.
[04:00] <Seveas> TD, if you need them, set them up...
[04:00] <anoop> what is the DEBCONF tool
[04:00] <anoop> ?
[04:00] <apokryphos> TD: with all due respect towhat people are saying, ubuntu-desktop is still a recommendation, and a recommendation of packages -- don't forget that. If you want to customize your system, as you are now, then go for it.
[04:00] <TD> i'm coming from the perspective of non-linux-developer here. setting them up isn't something just anybody could do
[04:01] <bob2> yes, but putting libraries in /usr/local/ is rather rare
[04:01] <Belutz> TD: actually i've installed several apps which is not in repo....
[04:01] <ubuntudigger> what mailing list?
[04:01] <TD> Belutz: oh yes, i'm not saying it's impossible
[04:01] <bob2> ubuntudigger: ubuntu-user
[04:01] <TD> just that ubuntu goes out of its way to make it hard. anyway, i need to go eat. bbl
[04:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> examples TD?
[04:02] <bob2> anyway, you're not raising anything new, this has been dicussed over and over
[04:02] <bob2> see the ubuntu-devel archives
[04:02] <Belutz> TD: well i previously using FreeBSD, and i think ubuntu is a lot more better for desktop user, but everybody have a different views :)
[04:02] <ubuntudigger> i am so new at this than i dont even know where to find that list
[04:02] <apokryphos> bob2, Seveas: how exactly would not having ubuntu-desktop break packages?
[04:02] <qt2> ubuntudigger, heh, it probably has to do with the usbfs remnaming?
[04:02] <Seveas> ubuntudigger, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[04:02] <bob2> apokryphos: I never said that
[04:02] <bob2> apokryphos: it will make upgrades harder, since you won't pick up new packages that it Depends on
[04:02] <lsuactiafner> how do i i forver disable apt-get to ignore the ubuntu kernel upgrades?!
[04:03] <bob2> apokryphos: e.g. network-manager might only be installed in breezy because ubuntu-desktop Depends on it
[04:03] <bob2> lsuactiafner: why do you want to do that?
[04:03] <Seveas> exactly, when hoary switched from Xfree to Xorg, not having u-d installed would make you miss that...
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : because i make my own kernel
[04:03] <bob2> lsuactiafner: then just put it on  hold in synaptic, I guess
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> and downloading every stupid single kernel release hogs my dialup
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[04:04] <apokryphos> bob2: you'll only miss out on things that you don't currently have. I don't think you can really say that breaks the upgrade (as in, not allowing it to go forward). And it's worth noting that you can easily install it again before an upgrade
[04:04] <apokryphos> bob2: in which case, for normal using just why shouldn't you be able to delete it?
[04:04] <phanter> hello. My clock is set to synchronize so the time is right. The time in my topscreen is right as well, But the time in my desklets is not correct. What could cause this problem.
[04:04] <bob2> apokryphos: it can break the upgrade, but it's certainly work-around-able
[04:05] <bob2> apokryphos: you can remove it if you like, but you need to be aware of what that means
[04:05] <bob2> there's usually very little reason to do so
[04:05] <lsuactiafner> phanter : you changed the time.. and desklets are confused..
[04:06] <apokryphos> bob2: I can only see it breaking the upgrade if you're defining that as "not installing all the packages that it would bring in"
[04:06] <fuzzyme> Hi! I think I have a peculiar prob. with ubuntu.. Can anybody help?
[04:06] <bob2> apokryphos: correct
[04:06] <ubuntudigger> ok now i have subscribed the ubuntu user
[04:06] <qt2> bob2, i've had to re-apt-get ubuntu-desktop ocasionally... it's strange.
[04:06] <lsuactiafner> how do i select hold with synaptic?
[04:06] <lsuactiafner> want to disable all the kernel image upgrades.
[04:07] <apokryphos> bob2: that's fine; I'd prefer to stick to "breaking an upgrade" means "the upgrade cannot go ahead". Similar to what it means to have "a broken package"
[04:07] <bob2> ok
[04:07] <fuzzyme> I don't see many of the things people seem to see in synaptic...
[04:07] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: you may not have all the repositories enabled
[04:07] <apokryphos> !repositories
[04:07] <ubotu> [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:07] <qt2> bob2, in fact, ubuntu-desktop was not installed just now, as i founf out, and i have no idea why o.O;
[04:07] <Seveas> fuzzyme: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:08] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: you just won't get backports with that one, which you may want.
[04:08] <Seveas> or may not want :)\
[04:08] <fuzzyme> Do I have to use the internet for it?
[04:09] <fuzzyme> COz my connection is not working from ubuntu
[04:09] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: err, yeah. Ubuntu Universe/Multiverse repositories are on the net
[04:09] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : dont you know how to make apt-get ignore new available kernels?
[04:09] <qt2> ubuntudigger, ...is there a reason you just did a dcc chat with me? <.<;
[04:09] <zwnj> how i can manage system services in ubuntu?
[04:09] <phanter> lsuactiafner, so you say that after relauding my desktop it should work? in that case I will relaod my desktop in a minute :)
[04:09] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, bob2 told you :)
[04:09] <leroj> i can't type <'s!
[04:09] <leroj> only copy them
[04:09] <zwnj> something like redhat's "service" or "system-config-services"
[04:10] <lsuactiafner> i checked cant find the hold option he said i should look for
[04:10] <chibifs> zwnj - There's a program called BUM
[04:10] <ubuntudigger> its more easy to understand when things not going so fast,
[04:10] <bob2> lsuactiafner: select "freeze" or something
[04:10] <Seveas> zwnj, update-rc.d
[04:10] <bob2> I don't use synaptic
[04:10] <leroj> hehe BUM
[04:10] <qt2> bob2, 'lock version' perhaps?
[04:10] <leroj> on that note heheh SMEG
[04:10] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: Is KDE installed with ubuntu?
[04:10] <chibifs> zwnj - I'm not sure where to get it alone, but there's a clip of it on ubuntuguide.org
[04:11] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: no, but it is with Kubuntu. You can easily install it from Ubuntu with a net connection
[04:11] <zwnj> chibifs, Seveas: thanks :)
[04:11] <qt2> lsuactiafner, i believe you select the package, and then go to package > lock version.
[04:11] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, select the package and use package -> lock version in the menu
[04:11] <bob2> qt2: that sounds right
[04:11] <zerboxx> trevi: I'm sorry it took so long trevi, you said "do I apt-get amsn" what do you mean?
[04:11] <Seveas> qt2, damn you :p
[04:11] <bob2> lsuactiafner: lock version
[04:11] <bob2> qt2: thanks!
[04:11] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: :-( net connection is my CHIEF problem with ubuntu
[04:11] <zzzzzzz> has anyone of you got working cups browsing?
[04:11] <chibifs> Now now, don't bash me for reccomending ubuntuguide! It's the only place I've seen it xD
[04:11] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: why isn't it working? What's the prob?
[04:11] <qt2> bob2, anytime ;)
[04:12] <fuzzyme> Coz I have a 'WinModem <('
[04:12] <ubuntudigger> qt2: hoped you could give me some time to try to sort out the trouble in the dcc chat, wher things not going so fast
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> cant find the option @ all...
[04:12] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: is that computer not on a network?
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[04:12] <fuzzyme> No
[04:12] <qt2> ubuntudigger, err, why not query me? i prefer to stay away from dcc if i can.
[04:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found" wot do i do now?
[04:12] <zzzzzzz> the printers appear in gnome-cups-manager but there are no properties associated with them
[04:12] <boga> how do I allow connections to my ssh port?
[04:13] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: oh :S. You might still be able to get it running, though personally I think it's easily worth just getting a router
[04:13] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, grab qt3 from synaptic?
[04:13] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: well, router? what's it?
[04:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2...thanks
[04:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> do u know the exact package name?
[04:13] <ubuntudigger> what is that then, i thougt it just was a place to chat quietly as i said, i am totaly blank about this chattroom
[04:13] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: it's kind of a modem and a hub combined. It stays always connected to the net, and you just plug up any computers to it to get the connection
[04:14] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, libqt3 something, just ctrl+f libqt3
[04:14] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: they're cheap too
[04:14] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, you'll probably need -dev and -headers. ;)
[04:14] <holycow> oh, haha galeon has print preview
[04:14] <zzzzzzz> any cups-experts around?
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> lock didnt work
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> it still wants to download the new kernel
[04:15] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: No, I have the driver for the WinModem(though it's a miniscule 14.4 one). Yet, it's not working...
[04:15] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: you are better off just asking the question..
[04:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !libqt3
[04:15] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, LuNaTiK^GuY
[04:15] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, and libqt3c102-mt. ;)
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> and i'm on 2.6.12 for good reason and no 2.6.10
[04:15] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: that was the question :-)
[04:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh god
[04:15] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: I'm gonna buy a new external modem but for the present?
[04:16] <qt2> libqt3-headers and libqt3-dev are the names i believe.
[04:16] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: no point getting just a modem when you can get a router, really
[04:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks
[04:16] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: it was a very bad question indeed
[04:16] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: how much will that cost?
[04:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lemme try them out one at a time :)
[04:16] <qt2> ubuntulog, a dcc chat is usually used for file-related stuff, a query is a private message window between two people.
[04:16] <fuzzyme> and what'
[04:16] <ztonzy> how to restart desktop ?
[04:17] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: not much. They're around 35 here
[04:17] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: where?
[04:17] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: I have not seen EVER anyone answer to that kind of questions when someone wants to know if there are experts available
[04:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i had the headers...but not the dev ;)
[04:17] <fuzzyme> and what's the advantage?
[04:17] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: your spesific problem might not need and all-around cups expert you know
[04:17] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: it doesn't connect to the net as conventional modems; it's always connected, and so any computer you can just plug up and it connects
[04:17] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, ;)
[04:18] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: of course, big advantage is taht it's a hub, too
[04:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> y not put all dev packs in one :)
[04:18] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, because some people want the headers but not dev?
[04:18] <fuzzyme> Ok, what's your currency?(so I can guess how much that'll cost to me)
[04:18] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: well... so let me rephrase my question: did anyone get working cups remote printing with browsing. (better? :-)
[04:19] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: GBP
[04:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2: hey i'm a noob :)
[04:19] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, so am i. ;)
[04:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2: i dont even know wot the differences are!
[04:19] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: are you talking about qt includes? You should be alright iwth just libqt3-mt-dev
[04:19] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: (regardless of being an expert or not)
[04:19] <mikul> syns mina  nu?
[04:19] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: Sorry, but what's GBP? Which country?
[04:19] <mikul> oops
[04:19] <mikul> wrong channal
[04:19] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: British Pound
[04:19] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: it's better but now you asked me about it :)
[04:19] <bob2> lsuactiafner: define "didn't work"
[04:19] <qt2> apokryphos, which happens to require libqt3-mt-headers anyway. ;)
[04:19] <thenuke> so 90% of ppl wont read it
[04:19] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : there is no hold option i found, lock didnt work.
[04:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apokryphos: wot?
[04:19] <ubuntu> hello
[04:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: as above, define "didn't work"
[04:20] <ubuntu> testing
[04:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: synaptic's lock has no effect on apt-get and aptitude, of course
[04:20] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: are you trying to get the Qt includes, to compile or something? If so, that package should do it...
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> when i do apt-get upgrade ia32-libs it still starts to download the kernel
[04:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes i was installing a kde app
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> hmmk back to my question, how do i make apt-get ignore the damn kernel
[04:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and got some error
[04:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: that's not how the upgrade command works
[04:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found" wot do i do now?
[04:20] <qt2> apokryphos, heh, he already solved it. ;)
[04:21] <bob2> lsuactiafner: apt-get upgrade blah = apt-get upgrade
[04:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> THAT was the error
[04:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[04:21] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it ignores all arguments
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : it doesnt.
[04:21] <apokryphos> qt2: cool
[04:21] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: huh?
[04:21] <bob2> lsuactiafner: what?
[04:21] <micmic> I'm a newbbie, how can I upgrade Mozilla-Firefox to 1.06
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> the kernel is a dependancy, so far all the other packages ive upgraded ive managed to apt-get upgrade package and it ignored the kernel
[04:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2: got the same error again :(
[04:22] <fuzzyme> micmic: which distro do you have?
[04:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[04:22] <lsuactiafner> but now ia32-libs requires a kernel thats 2.6.10 > and i got 2.6.12
[04:22] <qt2> lsuactiafner, doing an atp-get upgrade forces it to ignore any 'loks' on the version, soo unless you manually upgrade it with apt-get upgrade, it should ignore it.
[04:22] <micmic> ubuntu 5.04
[04:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: then you've lost, there's alimit to how much you can try to break apt
[04:22] <qt2> lsuactiafner, err, neverlind, i misunderstood the problem.
[04:23] <fuzzyme> micmic: Did you go to their website: getfirefox.com
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> apt-get should do as its told, i'm human and i'm smart enough to realise i dont need the kernel package
[04:23] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, then follow apokryphos's advice.
[04:23] <qt2> lsuactiafner, hack support for it into apt-get? ;)
[04:23] <bob2> lsuactiafner: er
[04:23] <bob2> lsuactiafner: ia32-libs doesn't Depend on a kernel at all
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : you are a genius (:
[04:23] <bob2> nothing in ubuntu should do that
[04:24] <micmic> fuzzyme: yes, I've download firefox-1.0.6.installes.tar.gz
[04:24] <zack> Hey, i
[04:24] <fuzzyme> micmic: Then u r asking what?
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> The following packages have been kept back:
[04:24] <lsuactiafner>   linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> yay!!
[04:25] <micmic> fuzzyme: well, when I do tar -xvf then I have an permission error
[04:25] <bob2> so, the moral of the story is to be way way more specific
[04:25] <zack> Sorry about that, what I was trying to say was "Hey, i'm not trying to be hasty, but I was hoping that someone could give me the path to install new metacity themes in"
[04:25] <fuzzyme> micmic:In which directory do u have that tar file?
[04:25] <bob2> zack: drag them onto the theme manager
[04:25] <micmic> fuzzyme: download
[04:25] <fuzzyme> micmic: and did u tar as root?
[04:25] <qt2> sp... why does ubuntu at high volumes cause static in the sound?
[04:26] <zack> thanks bob, im stupid :P
[04:26] <micmic> fuzzyme: yes I tried as sudo
[04:26] <fuzzyme> micmic: What's the error? do u remember?
[04:27] <micmic> fuzzyme: I'm trying to reproduce it now, give a minute
[04:27] <qt2> &so
[04:28] <nynn> bonjour
[04:28] <qt2> lsuactiafner, good job, good luck. ;)
[04:29] <trevi> jour nynn
[04:29] <qt2> why does it seem that everyone i've seen has been having their mozilla-firefox held back by the way?
[04:29] <micmic> fuzzyme: I do "sudo tar xvfz firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz" that's ok
[04:30] <micmic> fuzzyme: now I have a nez directory "firefox-installer"
[04:32] <Nomikos> does anyone know of a guide for compiling php4 under Ubuntu? default install seems to miss curl support :-S
[04:32] <micmic> fuzzyme: cd firefox-installer
[04:32] <qt2> micmic, you could always just wait till firefox 1.0.6 hits backports. ;)
[04:32] <micmic> fuzzyme: sudo ./firefox-i nstaller
[04:33] <micmic> fuzzyme: sudo: unable to execute ./firefox-installer: Permission denied
[04:33] <qt2> Nomikos, did you grab php4-curl from synaptic?
[04:33] <ed> hey Im a noob to ubuntu, what is the default root password? this didnt ask me to set root up
[04:33] <micmic> qt2: ;) I'm trying get it first
[04:33] <Nomikos> i think so.. regular apt-get thing, afaik, was a while ago
[04:33] <Nomikos> oh ehr
[04:34] <fuzzyme> micmic: see the file's permissions. See who's the owner.
[04:34] <snickkers> ed: there is no root password. often, if it asks you for a password, it's asking for *your* password, not root's
[04:34] <Nomikos> hold on :-) misread.. php4-curl you say
[04:34] <qt2> Nomikos, aye. ;)
[04:34] <Nomikos> qt2 is that like apt-get php4-curl ?
[04:34] <micmic> fuzzyme: -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root    1699 2005-07-18 01:50 firefox-installer
[04:34] <mirak> hi
[04:34] <ed> i tried that but it wouldnt take it.... I'm trying to install a game
[04:34] <mirak> is there anyone from thekoslovakia here ?
[04:35] <fuzzyme> micmic: Then very sorry no idea...
[04:35] <Nomikos> qt2: synaptic.. ah. i must drink more coffee, let me check it out..
[04:35] <micmic> fuzzyme: thank anyway
[04:36] <ed> does anyone know if a root pwd exists?
[04:36] <qt2> Nomikos, i dont see how using apt-get would make any differnce than using synaptic, since synaptic is just a front end, or so i've come to believe... ;)
[04:36] <trevi> mirak: hi
[04:36] <Nomikos> qt2, yus :-) i'm a bit slow the last couple days... fired it up now
[04:36] <mirak> trevi: are you from slovakia ?
[04:36] <ed> to install the firefox app need to extract to usr / share/ and then just click ion firefox
[04:37] <trevi> mirak: nop..sorry
[04:37] <qt2> Nomikos, heh, it's all good, i was like that last night.
[04:37] <snickkers> Can someone help me get sound/music working on this machine? I'm not really sure what's wrong. when I try to make a noise (I'm using System -> Preferences -> Sound -> Sound Events -> Play) nothing comes out of the speakers. There's no error message.
[04:37] <qt2> Nomikos, i ended up crashing out and missing a chance to begin learning python with a a new friend.
[04:38] <snickkers> Also, if i go Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Monitor, I can see that *something* is being played, but still - no noise out of speakers
[04:38] <Nomikos> qt2, owh.. meet up again sometime, python's nice i hear
[04:39] <micmic> ed: what??
[04:39] <ed> whats what?
[04:39] <qt2> Nomikos, tonight i hope.
[04:39] <Nomikos> qt2: magic! it worked :-)
[04:39] <micmic> ed: you say to install firefox...
[04:39] <dim> how do I install adobe on ubuntu?
[04:39] <qt2> Nomikos, most of the seemingly complicated problems have mind-numbing simle solutions ;)
[04:40] <snickkers> qt2: most of the mind-numbing simple problems have the most complicated solutions
[04:40] <dim> I mean acrobat reader?
[04:40] <ed> mimic: you need to extract the files to the user share
[04:40] <qt2> snickkers, true enough.
[04:41] <micmic> ed: I tried it to a normal directory and then when I tried to execute as root I give an error
[04:42] <qt2> micmic, tried it as non-root?
[04:42] <snickkers> nobody feel like helping me with my audio troubles? :/
[04:42] <qt2> snickkers, what be your troubles?
[04:42] <ed> take the directory, move it to usr/share should work
[04:42] <micmic> ed: I try, thanks
[04:43] <ed> hwo did you get the login to work as root?
[04:43] <qt2> snickkers, oh, i see, did you unmute your soundcard?
[04:43] <liran> how can i export the entire screen on one box and connect to it remotely? (im talking about connecting to the x server)
[04:43] <dim> how about helping me with installing acrobat reader?
[04:43] <snickkers> qt2: I'm pretty sure I have - I did it in Apps -> Sound & video -> Volume Mixer
[04:44] <snickkers> qt2: err, Volume Control
[04:44] <micmic> ed: well, I do sudo... ok?
[04:44] <Newise> To get root password to work set new root password: sudo passwd root
[04:44] <qt2> snickkers, did you unmute all the channels? ;)
[04:44] <tux> Hello. Somebody knows if the mozilla-firefox 1.02 has the following bug: it cannot download files?
[04:45] <snickkers> qt2: yes
[04:45] <ed> yeah will try bbl
[04:45] <micmic> qt2: with my normal user?
[04:45] <snickkers> qt2: I also have a tv tuner card, I dunno if that's messing with things *shrug*
[04:45] <qt2> snickkers, hm, try opening a console and trying killall esd.
[04:45] <qt2> micmic, cant hurt.
[04:45] <qt2> snickkers, ohhhh..
[04:46] <Hajuu> Heya
[04:46] <qt2> snickkers, that could very well be it.
[04:46] <qt2> snickkers, forget the killall command
[04:46] <Hajuu> How come my XMMS won't connect to this ASX stream?
[04:46] <qt2> snickkers, pop open the volume control, go to file > change device and see what the selected device is.
[04:47] <ed> mimic you do it at the login? or from terminal
[04:47] <micmic> qt2: I've then same error "bash: ./firefox-installer: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permiso denegado"
[04:48] <micmic> ed: from terminal
[04:48] <snickkers> there's Realtek ALC665 rev 0 (OSS) selected, and SiS SI7012 (ALSA) not selected
[04:48] <ed> and its just sudo?
[04:48] <qt2> Hajuu, does it connect to any assx steams?
[04:48] <micmic> ed: yes, "sudo tar ..."; "cd firefox-installer"; "sudo ./firefox-installer"
[04:49] <ed> k
[04:49] <snickkers> qt2: however, 'alsamixer' makes things more confusing, by saying that the selected devies is "Card: SiS SI7012, Chip: Realtek ALC655 trv0"
[04:49] <qt2> snickkers, hm, changing the device to the other one and unmuting/raising the volume of that.
[04:49] <Hajuu> qt2:  Nope.
[04:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i keep getting "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found."
[04:49] <ed> bb
[04:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> even after instralling all those libraires
[04:50] <wrtpeeps> what file do i need to edit to add some alias to my bash rc
[04:51] <tux> Hello. Somebody knows if the mozilla-firefox 1.02 has the following bug: it cannot download files?
[04:51] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, might want to inquier in #kde...? ;)
[04:51] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, err, i mean #qt
[04:52] <micmic> tux: I don't have that problem
[04:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok i;ll try
[04:52] <bob2> wrtpeeps: depends what you're doing
[04:52] <snickkers> q2: still no success
[04:52] <bob2> tux: no, it doesn't
[04:52] <bob2> wrtpeeps: perhaps ~/.bashrc
[04:52] <wrtpeeps> ok, thanks
[04:52] <qt2> snickkers, are you raising only the master?
[04:53] <snickkers> qt2: I've raised all sliders to around 80%, and unmuted, on both devices
[04:53] <snickkers> qt2: all sliders on Playback, not Capture, btw
[04:53] <wrtpeeps> it seems nautilus has messed up my xfce
[04:54] <wrtpeeps> i need to run a command, is it xfdesktop or something?
[04:54] <NoHope> hi all
[04:55] <trevi> ni NoHope
[04:55] <snickkers> hi nh
[04:55] <NoHope> hey, where can I find some doc about the ubuntu initialization scheme (I think you called it SysV)...
[04:55] <NoHope> ?
[04:56] <snickkers> qt2: my box is already open atm. should I try taking out the tuner card, seeing if ubuntu works nice and neatly without it?
[04:58] <occy> How does an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ compare to say an Intel Pentium IV 2.4Ghz ?
[04:58] <occy> which is faster and by how much?
[04:58] <snickkers> qt2: I'm gonna try that. I'll be back in 5 mins
[04:58] <phanter> how can I check if my system time is set to gmt or to the local time ?
[04:59] <snickkers> oocy: I'd *guess* the AMD, because it's about 3.4Ghz comparitabely, also it's 64bit while that p4 is 32bit
[05:00] <cyberix> Where is glxinfo in breezy?
[05:00] <NoHope> hey, I have Firefox 1.05 and Java in /mypersonaldir/java. How can I "say" to firefox the path of java?
[05:00] <liran> how do i turn x11 to listen on port 6000?
[05:02] <Hajuu> How come my XMMS won't connect to ANY ASX streams?
[05:03] <phanter> how can I check if my system time is set to gmt or to the local time ?
[05:04] <NoHope> hey, I have Firefox 1.05 and Java in /mypersonaldir/java. How can I "say" to firefox the path of java?
[05:04] <Hajuu> phanter:  Well you check your clock and if its set to your time.. then its right.. and if it isn't.. then its wrong...
[05:04] <Hajuu> :/
[05:04] <phanter> Hajuu, very smart, but I want to know where i can check (and change ?) this on my laptop
[05:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i was told to fix the problem on my own...NICE :(
[05:05] <Hajuu> Right click on the clock and go "Adjust date and time"
[05:06] <HWolf> freenode is having problems, it seems
[05:08] <fabbione> what's new about that?
[05:09] <qt2> HWolf, freenodes problems come on an almost regular schedule nowadays... ;)
[05:09] <HWolf> Why don't they fix it?
[05:09] <HWolf> Try joining #freenode, and you'll be told that it's under attack from a clonebot.
[05:10] <HWolf> how hard can it be to kill a bot? :S
[05:10] <Jason_Dean> hi, is there a list of the packages ubuntu installs when one selects 'server installation' ?
[05:11] <HWolf> yup, just check it's dependency's
[05:11] <CarlFK> HWolf - what it?
[05:11] <occy> How does an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ compare to say an Intel Pentium IV 2.4Ghz ?
[05:11] <occy> which is faster and by how much?
[05:12] <occy> (we disco'ed right after I asked that)
[05:12] <HWolf> occy, impossible to say, and not a question for this channel
[05:12] <cfaun> I think it is supposed to be about a gigahertz faster, according to wikipedia, but it isn't always accurate
[05:12] <digitalfox> When is the Firefox package going to be fixed?
[05:12] <HWolf> CarlFK: 'server' only installs ubuntu-base, afaik
[05:13] <cfaun> that isn't taking into account the 64 bit speedups
[05:13] <occy> HWolf, heh, ummm, It's a good a question as any for this channel.
[05:13] <qt2> HWolf, one bot, pretty easy, but they're dealing with thuousands of them at once.
[05:13] <cfaun> occy: if I were you, I would google some benchmarks
[05:13] <qt2> mmm, gotta love zombied pc's <3
[05:13] <occy> HWolf, I have a pIV 2.4Ghz that keeps locking up with Ubuntu and want to get something that works with Ubuntu.   So I'm wondering if the AMD 64 3400+ is faster.
[05:13] <HWolf> occy, it's not. a processor is dependant on the rest of the system, ram, harddisk, mainboard, other hardware. It's complicated, and everyone has his own preferences
[05:13] <cfaun> occy: for different things you will get different amounts of speedups
[05:14] <occy> HWolf, go away
[05:14] <Hajuu> How come my XMMS won't connect to ANY ASX streams?
[05:14] <linukso> Hi! Any mpd users here? I've installed mpd on my ubuntu box with aptitude, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure mpd and added symlinks to my music folder, but I mpd won't play anything.
[05:14] <cfaun> occy: its true
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> Hi, im trying to install ut2004, but its saying its unable to mount the volume because there is no media in the drive
[05:14] <qt2> occy, he's right.
[05:14] <HWolf> occy, amd's are faster atm, in general, in most applications, own intel in games, lose out in other benches
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> i dont know why but it isnt detecting the disc
[05:14] <digitalfox> occy, the processor isn't the problem most likely.
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> i cant browse the folder either
[05:14] <HWolf> occy, please read the ubuntu code of conduct
[05:14] <CarlFK> occy - regardless of if HWolf is right or wrong - try to be nice
[05:14] <digitalfox> occy, I've never heard of Linux having a CPU support issue
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone able to help me out, or point me in the direction of help
[05:15] <occy> heh
[05:15] <digitalfox> occy, I'd look at other pieces of hardware as the culprit
[05:15] <digitalfox> occy, video card is a big one
[05:15] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone ?
[05:15] <qt2> Dr_Melectaus, tried googling? ;)
[05:15] <occy> digitalfox, you could be right, I'm simply trying to purchase a new computer and want to know how much faster it will be
[05:15] <occy> I don't need someone getting all high and mighty on me.
[05:15] <Dr_Melectaus> qt2. yes
[05:15] <cfaun> did you mount the drive?
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> cfaun, right clicked dcrom and clicked mount
[05:16] <cfaun> occy: step away and reread it. You will find that YOU are the one getting all high and mighty
[05:16] <HWolf> occy, i'm just telling you the thruth. personally I'd say amd is the way to go, but the only way to find out what is right for you is figure out your use cases, and reading reviews and benchmarks
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> but it says something like unable to mount, most likely because there is no media in the drive
[05:16] <cfaun> bah, stupid GUIs
[05:16] <cfaun> sry; don't know
[05:16] <cfaun> I would try #linuxhelp if noone here knows
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> qt2, its the dvd edition of ut2k4 if that makes a difference
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> cant get the installer for ut2004 working?
[05:17] <occy> all I asked was a simple question.  I've been around the LInux community for quite a while.  I don't need people being rude for no reason at all.  Trying to ascertain a processor speed isn't that big of a deal.
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, the disc isnt being detected
[05:17] <occy> at any rate
[05:17] <qt2> Dr_Willis, he cant get the cd to even be detected. :P
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> ewwwwww
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> i right clicked and tried right clicking and mounting
[05:18] <nalioth> occy: www.tomshardware.com has plenty of info on hardware
[05:18] <occy> feel free to have your last words...
[05:18] <occy> nalioth, tx
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> but it says unable to mount, probobly because there is no media in the drive
[05:18] <qt2> occy, yes, the amd will far outpace your current processor.
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> this is when linux comes in handy :) dropin back to the shel and do it manually
[05:18] <occy> qt2, why thank you that's all I was wantingl.
[05:18] <HWolf> qt2, so will the p4, really
[05:18] <occy> err wanting even.
[05:18] <occy> I don't know jack about processors.
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, could you pm me telling me how to do it, im a bit of a noob with nix
[05:18] <occy> hence the reason I was asking
[05:18] <occy> anyhoo
[05:18] <occy> tx
[05:19] <qt2> occy, no problem, you've gotta learn to take irc with a grain of salt is all ;)
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Dr_Melectaus,  the 'sudo mount' command.. but wait a sec.. you said the cd wassent in the drive?
[05:19] <occy> qt2, I've been on since 95... and I still haven't learned ;)
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> it is in the drive
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> But it isnt appearing to be
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> usually the cd icon appears on my desktop
[05:19] <qt2> occy, a bit stubborn? ;)
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> pop up a shell and type 'sudo mount' and see if it mentions it.
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> may be gnome is confsed again
[05:20] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[05:20] <Hajuu> What is Sun Java on APT-GET as?
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of 'how to mount a drive tutorials' out - its one of the fundamental things of linux 101 - lol
[05:21] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, what should i be looking for
[05:21] <nalioth> !java
[05:21] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:21] <Dr_Melectaus> i cant see anything about cdrom0
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> google for 'linux drive mount tutorial'
[05:21] <trilliji> I have a DVD/RW drive that isn't detected by gnome as a cd/rw. It doesn't recognize either DVD or CD blank media. does anyone know how I can manually tell it that it is there?
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> does it work with other disks Dr_Melectaus ?
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> yea other discs work fine
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> just seems to be this one
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> i dont know if its because its a DVD
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> When i try to play DVD movies it doesnt have any of it
[05:26] <liran> i dont have port 6000 open, probably cause X was run with 'tcp -nolisten'. in which file do i remove it?
[05:26] <phanter> My timezone is correct. The actual time is 17:15 here, but gnome tells me the time is 15:15. I use ntp (time should be correct). What goes wrong?
[05:27] <sexcopter8000m> ok this might sound strange.   It's pretty darn clear...
[05:34] <catolh> yeah, i know.. but it doesnt show me how much space i have left on my disk though.. or im not getting it.. :\
[05:35] <CarlFK> catolh - you didnt ask for space left ;)   df -h
[05:35] <catolh> actually i did.. :p
[05:35] <catolh> "catolh Ok, this is a stupid question but.. how do i check how much space i got left on my hdd?.. :o"
[05:35] <zerboxx> I'm having 2 very annoying problems.  1) When I try to run amsn, nothing happens (in terminal nothing happens at all, just sits blank), and 2) When I try to run gnome-pilot, it freezes, can anyone please help with either (or both!)
[05:36] <catolh> but anyway, i got it now.. thanks :)
[05:36] <CarlFK> where did I see a bar graph kinda view of a folder?
[05:36] <catolh> "catolh Is there another way? like a gui graph?.. :p"
[05:36] <catolh> :p
[05:37] <chibifs> :o Cell Ubuntu.
[05:40] <nnacht> I'm using GTK+ for windows. But I don't know how to change the font size, anyone know it?
[05:40] <chibifs> nnacht - Should conform to your windows fonts size. Did when I used it :/
[05:41] <nnacht> chibifs: no, it is definitely smaller than the windows fonts.
[05:41] <zerboxx> I have found that some programs require esd killed, is there anyway around this, so I can hear from everything?
[05:41] <Hajuu> Hey uhm.. following the wiki guide for installing java... I just dpkg'd it... But when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either...
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> nnacht,  thers a tool i think that comes with the gtk downloads for wndows to select themes
[05:41] <Hajuu> zerboxx:  sudo killall esd
[05:41] <w00f> how can i mount a partition for a regular user ?
[05:42] <zerboxx> Hajuu: But then I can only have one sound at a time, is there any way to have both?
[05:42] <chibifs> zerboxx - Try to remap them to use esd or alsa instead of oss, arts, or jackd.
[05:42] <w00f> mount says only root can mount and the moment i mount it the directory can only be accessed by root
[05:42] <w00f> properties can't be changed as the partition is ntfs (therefore, read-only)
[05:42] <chibifs> Or tell arts to use esd.
[05:42] <zerboxx> chibifs: So in each program, switch them to use esd?
[05:42] <Hajuu> zerboxx:  Not that i've found heh.
[05:42] <Hajuu> Not for games, anyway.
[05:42] <chibifs> What program are you having trouble with?
[05:42] <chibifs> (s)
[05:43] <zerboxx> chibifs: Well I usually have esd up, and when it is, amsn sounds don't occur, same with xchat
[05:43] <catolh> Does anyone know of a plugin for xmms / x-chat that makes me show others on x-chat what song im currently playing?
[05:43] <chibifs> Yeah, they should have use ALSA, ESD, or Gnome default in them somewhere. :P
[05:43] <catolh> others on irc* i mean.. heh
[05:43] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, no luck
[05:44] <chibifs> I don't use those in particular, but they /should/ :P
[05:44] <zerboxx> chibifs: If given an option, I should select "esd"?
[05:44] <zerboxx> chibifs: How do you get it to work?
[05:45] <phanter> somebody please help me. My timesettings are getting really on my nerves, I tried everything a 100 times. How can I see what the hardware time is, how can I set this to the system time and does it (automaticly) kn ow that we are in summer daylight saving time ?
[05:45] <catolh> uhm, btw.. i recently installed gnome-baker.. how do i start it?.. heh
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> not sure what to tell ya then Dr_Melectaus  - if a clean reboot with the disk in the drive  and its still unable to see it.. sounds like the dvd may be dirty.. or the drive is flakey.. wiich is rare
[05:45] <chibifs> Like I said, I don't use either, but I usually have things use ALSA or ESD, and if you haft aRts installed, open kconfig and switch the sound daemon to esd.
[05:45] <eruin> catolh, it should be in Applications -> Accessories
[05:45] <zerboxx> chibifs: So you only have one thing playing sound at a time?
[05:46] <catolh> eruin, is it any good btw?
[05:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, i just installed it on my windows pc no more than an hour ago
[05:46] <eruin> catolh, sure
[05:46] <eruin> catolh, I prefer rhythmbox for audio cds though ;)
[05:46] <chibifs> Well, the purpose of esd/aRts would be so you can play multiple sounds at a time on a single channel soundcard :P
[05:47] <catolh> eruin, ok, thanks :)
[05:49] <Hajuu> Hey uhm.. following the wiki guide for installing java... I just dpkg'd it... But when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either...
[05:49] <yaeyo> anyone running ubuntu on mini-itx hardware?
[05:50] <zerboxx> Anyone know how to help with my amsn (not starting, not doing anything) or my gnome-pilot (freezes and is just being plain stupid) problems?
[05:50] <chibifs> zerboxx - Restarted gnome in a while?
[05:51] <chibifs> Possible you have crazy broken threads laying around.
[05:51] <zerboxx> chibifs: does ctrl-alt-backspace restart gnome?
[05:51] <chibifs> yeah.
[05:51] <zerboxx> chibifs: Then I have many times
[05:51] <chibifs> Hmm.
[05:52] <chibifs> When did it start?
[05:52] <zerboxx> chibifs: What start?
[05:53] <chibifs> The amsn and gnome-pilot being broken
[05:53] <ed1t> how do i install a font?
[05:53] <zerboxx> chibifs: amsn this morning (maybe 2 hours ago) gnome-pilot last night wouldnt sync, but freezing this morning
[05:53] <catolh> Are microsoft's fonts copyrighted?.. :p
[05:54] <chibifs> ed1t - a random true type from the internet?
[05:54] <catolh> I mean, like the fonts included in for example WinXP
[05:54] <ed1t> chibifs, yea
[05:54] <chibifs> catolh - On a non-commercial free use liscence.
[05:54] <chibifs> You can use them, but not for profit.
[05:54] <ed1t> chibifs, i downloaded the fonts from the internet
[05:54] <Hajuu> can't ANYONE help me with my java woes?
[05:55] <ed1t> Hajuu, sup
[05:55] <chibifs> ed1t - Just a second.
[05:55] <catolh> chibifs, so why not include them in a linux distro? like ubuntu?
[05:55] <chibifs> catolh - Because you'd have to read the liscence for each font during install.
[05:55] <linukso> Mounting nfs drives in ubuntu is terribly slow. any reason for this?
[05:55] <catolh> ouch..
[05:55] <catolh> oh well.. :p
[05:56] <ed1t> Hajuu, wats the problem?
[05:56] <chibifs> You can easily get them though
[05:56] <Hajuu> ed1t:  following the wiki guide for installing java (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java)... I just dpkg'd it... but when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either... It doesnt seem that dpkg told me either
[05:56] <catolh> You could solve that by installing the fonts as a package.. and showing the liscence once.. :p
[05:56] <HappyFool> chibifs: do you have any proof for this assertion? There were some 'web' fonts released under a different license, but not all windows fonts
[05:56] <catolh> like "The microsoft font package - Read liscence" etc..
[05:56] <chibifs> Install the mstcorefonts package from the multiverse.
[05:56] <ed1t> Hajuu, so apt-get install java-package cant find the package?
[05:57] <chibifs> I belive it's in the multiverse, anyway, possibly the universe.
[05:57] <Hajuu> no... apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian -- that line
[05:57] <Hajuu> dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[05:57] <Hajuu> after that
[05:57] <chibifs> HappyFool - The ones free for download make up the massive majority :P
[05:58] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if you have used 'dpkg -i' to install a deb file, you don't need to use apt-get
[05:58] <chibifs> catolh - apt-get install msttcorefonts
[05:58] <HappyFool> Hajuu: what .deb file did you install?
[05:58] <subiiminal> what is the difference in the three kernels for the hoary 386 base install?
[05:59] <ed1t> Hajuu, try sun-j2sdk1.5
[05:59] <zerboxx> chibifs: It appears fully restarting has fixed amsn...
[05:59] <chibifs> subiiminal - 686 kernel is for High Intel processors, k7 kernel is for AMD Athlon+
[05:59] <Hajuu> HappyFool:  I'm just reading this off the wiki.. and after the dpkg.. the command "java" still does nothing.
[05:59] <chibifs> zerboxx - Then it was probably a thread running lower than X.
[06:00] <HappyFool> Hajuu: where did you get the .deb file from? did you make it with make-jpkg, or download it?
[06:00] <subiiminal> chibifs: i've got linux 386, linux-image 386 and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[06:00] <Hajuu> ed1t:  Nope, no good either.
[06:00] <Hajuu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java  -- Read that. I made it. Just like it says to.
[06:00] <chibifs> subiiminal - Oh, those are just depend-on-eachother things.
[06:00] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, and were there error messages when you ran dpkg -i ?
[06:00] <subiiminal> chibifs: so which do i choose?
[06:01] <Hajuu> Nope. No errors.
[06:01] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, you installed the jdk, not the jre, right?
[06:01] <chibifs> subiiminal - It doesn't matter, they all lead to 2.6.10-5
[06:01] <HappyFool> Hajuu: what does 'dpkg -l sun\*|grep ^ii' output? (if anything)
[06:01] <subiiminal> oh, ok cheers
[06:02] <Hajuu> naw I put on j2re
[06:02] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, run that command anyway
[06:02] <chibifs> ed1t - Still looking for the directory, almost there.
[06:02] <Hajuu> ii  sun-j2re1.5    1.5.0+update03 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy
[06:02] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, so it's installed
[06:02] <ed1t> chibifs, k
[06:03] <Hajuu> but when I type "java" nothing happens...
[06:03] <Hajuu> "command not found"
[06:03] <apokryphos> Hajuu: /usr/bin/java exist?
[06:03] <chibifs> ed1t - Try copying it as root to /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[06:03] <zwnj> is DynDNS still free?
[06:03] <Hajuu> apokryphos:  Nope...
[06:03] <HappyFool> Hajuu: hmm
[06:03] <HappyFool> Hajuu: /usr/bin/java is not part of that package
[06:04] <nophix> zwnj: yes, the basic stuff
[06:04] <apokryphos> Hajuu: the package didn't install properly, apparently. Did you install from backports?
[06:04] <apokryphos> HappyFool: it should be
[06:04] <HappyFool> Hajuu: try this: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java
[06:04] <Hajuu> I downloaded the package manually and installed using the WiKi guide.
[06:04] <ed1t> chibifs, nope
[06:04] <HappyFool> apokryphos: yeah, i have it symlinked -- though i didn't do that manually
[06:04] <Hajuu> ah that works HappyFool
[06:04] <subiiminal> chibifs: /usr/bin/dpkg returns an error code :-/ dodgy cd...
[06:04] <apokryphos> Hajuu: hm, no wonder.  I've never compiled anything or anything so its been a good experience.
[06:05] <Seveas> wazzup?
[06:05] <chibifs> ed1t - Did you restart whatever program you were tryting to select fonts with?
[06:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: just discussing jre installs
[06:06] <chibifs> Usually needs an X restart of some sort, if I remember right.
[06:06] <apokryphos> Hajuu: ok, cool then =)
[06:06] <Seveas> HappyFool: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[06:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: Hajuu followed the wiki but has no /usr/bin/java symlink to the binary
[06:06] <ed1t> chibifs, i refreshed the FF browser, im trying to see the fonts on the website
[06:06] <Seveas> hmm, then the wiki is erroneous
[06:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: why not use the backports package?
[06:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: it's dated, afaik
[06:06] <HappyFool> i'll update it after i shower
[06:06] <Seveas> apokryphos, enabling backports just for this isn't too good :)
[06:06] <chibifs> subiiminal - Are you trying to install warty? You shouldn't need to select a kernel.
[06:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: why?
[06:07] <Seveas> this works just as well, the BP package is created this way
[06:07] <chibifs> ed1t - Firefox fonts need to be configured manually with the font config menu.
[06:07] <HappyFool> Hajuu: maybe just do this 'sudo ln -s  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java' to get java in your path
[06:07] <subiiminal> chibifs: hoary (5.0..)
[06:07] <ed1t> chibifs, k
[06:08] <chibifs> subiiminal - linux-386 should work fine, I'm curious why it asked though. :/
[06:08] <subiiminal> chibifs: iirc it didnt the first time, and errord and it has errord again :-/
[06:08] <apokryphos> Seveas: the non-backport method is more of a hassle, it seems
[06:09] <chibifs> subiiminal - Burn the cd slower. 8x max, I recommend 4.
[06:09] <Hajuu> HappyFool:   http://pastebin.com/319690
[06:09] <subiiminal> chibifs: okay, ty
[06:09] <GIOJOTOCA> hello
[06:09] <chibifs> Chances are you burned too quick and corrupted a block of a compressed file.
[06:09] <GIOJOTOCA> good morningth
[06:09] <HappyFool> hmm, maybe i go the order wrong. stand by
[06:10] <HappyFool> Hajuu: oh, you do have a /usr/bin/java
[06:10] <HappyFool> Hajuu: odd
[06:10] <chibifs> ed1t - Firefox is really dodgy about custom fonts, it tends to only stick to font categories (Sans, Sans Serif, Monospace)
[06:10] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if you just run 'java' now, what happens?
[06:11] <Hajuu> Same thing... bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory
[06:11] <HappyFool> oh, maybe /usr/bin/java got symlinked somewhere wrong
[06:11] <ed1t> chibifs, ooo k thx for your help
[06:11] <ed1t> its not a big deal
[06:11] <Hajuu> how very strange, eh?
[06:11] <HappyFool> Hajuu: 'sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java'
[06:11] <Seveas> Hajuu, what does which java say?
[06:11] <catolh> Does ubuntu support "Logitech Media Keyboard"  ? like, the volume keys and all that..?
[06:12] <HappyFool> Hajuu: the wiki doesn't have a 'fakeroot' -- maybe that's the problem
[06:12] <HappyFool> Hajuu: anyway, hopefully it's fixed now
[06:12] <HappyFool> catolh: look under system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[06:12] <HappyFool> catolh: you can enable some stuff (volume control, e.g.) there
[06:12] <zerboxx> What is the command for esd to play a sound? is it esdplay $sound?
[06:13] <GIOJOTOCA> i need you help in spanish
[06:13] <didier> helo
[06:13] <Hajuu> sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java -- returns nothing.
[06:13] <HappyFool> Hajuu: that's fine
[06:13] <HappyFool> Hajuu: now type 'java' ?
[06:13] <Hajuu> oooh works now
[06:13] <Hajuu> what was the problem?
[06:13] <HappyFool> zerboxx: maybe 'totem <the wav file>' -- i don't know if esd has a specific utility
[06:13] <HappyFool> Hajuu: /usr/bin/java is a symlink; they can point to non-existent files
[06:14] <HappyFool> Hajuu: which is probably what was happening
[06:14] <zerboxx> HappyFool: I'm just attempting to get x-chat and amsn to use esd, rather than..whatever they use
[06:14] <catolh> HappyFool, thanks.. do you know any media players that supports the "next/previous track" shortcut? Cause xmms doesnt.
[06:14] <Hajuu> ok so how did sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java fix that?
[06:14] <Hajuu> whats ln?
[06:14] <simonk> Can someone please explain the difference between universe, multiverse and restricted?
[06:14] <Hajuu> oh I see
[06:14] <Hajuu> cool
[06:14] <Hajuu> thanks
[06:15] <HappyFool> catolh: um. not sure, maybe rhythmbox
[06:15] <GIOJOTOCA> hablan espaol
[06:15] <catolh> HappyFool, ok, ill try it out. Thanks again :)
[06:15] <Hajuu> One more question. Anyone got any idea as to why my XMMS fails to connect to any ASX streaming audio?
[06:15] <apokryphos> !components
[06:15] <ubotu> hmm... components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:15] <HappyFool> zerboxx: ah, sorry. try aplay, maybe
[06:15] <apokryphos> simonk: check that link
[06:15] <zerboxx> Can someone please tellme, is this a recommended/not recommended sound fix? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:15] <zerboxx> HappyFool: Doesn't work
[06:16] <HappyFool> zerboxx: hmm. ok, sorry. my sound Just Works, don't know any hairy details
[06:16] <zerboxx> HappyFool: At least I don't believe it does :s
[06:16] <catolh> HappyFool, yay, rhythmbox supports it.. :D
[06:16] <simonk> apokryphos: Thanks! I've been looking all over for that page.
[06:16] <simonk> ap
[06:16] <simonk> Whoops
[06:17] <acid2> Hey there, I am trying to access a friends shared folder over the network
[06:17] <acid2> I've mounted his computer, but when I double click it on the desktop it doesnt open saying it could be "insecure"
[06:23] <Seveas> teferi, awake yet..?
[06:23] <Seveas> or still drunk..? :)
[06:24] <suldal> My ubuntu doesn't detect dvds
[06:25] <suldal> any thoughts?
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> dvd drive detected?
[06:25] <suldal> By the way.... im a newbie
[06:25] <suldal> the drive is detected and i can play anything but dvds
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> are the dvdsa compatiable; burned write; encrypted; copyrighted?
[06:26] <yuacht> hey.,.,. i'm gonna switch my soundcard from my built-in crappy card to an old sb live! card.. what should i do to config this? i will first off just put it in the computer but then what?
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> or none of the above
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> yuacht: is linux already installed
[06:26] <suldal> i dont know. I just a couple of original dvd's
[06:26] <suldal> tryed
[06:26] <yuacht> hybrid_goth, yes
[06:26] <qt2> is there a simple way to find out your disk usage?
[06:26] <yuacht> dpkg-reconfig alsa or what?
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> yuacht: if it is supported you shouldnt have to do anything
[06:27] <suldal> corection:  I just tryed a couple of dvdsvd's
[06:27] <Seveas> yuacht, it miht help to disable the onboard sound in the bios
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> linux will recognize it on boot
[06:27] <Seveas> qt2, df -h
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> yuacht: maybe
[06:27] <yuacht> Seveas, will do that
[06:27] <yuacht> thanks
[06:27] <yuacht> btw can i leave dmix on?
[06:27] <Seveas> probably
[06:27] <yuacht> the point of switching to sb live is to make it use its default hardware mixing in the card
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> suldal: did you write them
[06:28] <suldal> write?
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> are they pressed like Matrix box
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> suldal: did you burn these dvds
[06:28] <suldal> no
[06:28] <suldal> all original
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> are the dvds compatiable; encrypted; copyrighted?
[06:29] <suldal> how do I tell?
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: does ubuntu have a problem wite copywright>?
[06:29] <Seveas> suldal, did you install libdvdcss2 yet..?
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: yea that would help also
[06:29] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, libdvdcss2 is not installed (or available) by default due to legal creepyness...
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> ah
[06:29] <suldal> I dident know where to find it;)
[06:30] <Kamzi> anyone got any info on how ubuntu compares to debian ??
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> suldal: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[06:31] <HappyFool> Kamzi: ubuntu is based on debian, but has a six month release cycle
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> Kamzi: newer more community no RTFM
[06:31] <Kamzi> so ubuntu does everything debian does + more ?
[06:31] <HappyFool> yeah, we have RTFWiki ;)
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> Kamzi: debian = stable ubuntu = new
[06:31] <Kamzi> rtfm ??
[06:31] <Seveas> suldal, wget http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> read the fsckin manual
[06:31] <Kamzi> kl
[06:32] <Seveas> and dpkg -i libdvdcss*.deb
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: aint in apt?
[06:32] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, backports only
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> i thot it was in resticted
[06:32] <Seveas> this is simpler :)
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> ah
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:32] <Seveas> Kamzi: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[06:32] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, rtfm'ing people is not-done no this channel...
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> Kamzi: if you want stable OS  go with debian.  Ubuntu is just as stable as debian....
[06:34] <satyam> whats the equevalent command for gcc in REDHAT
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> satyam: cc <program> if you made it
[06:34] <Seveas> satyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> satyam: gcc or cc
[06:34] <Seveas> that installs tools like gcc
[06:35] <satyam> gcc or cc doesnt works
[06:35] <satyam> says command not found
[06:35] <Seveas> satyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential <---
[06:35] <dammage> hi, can some tell me why after installation grub just ends up with error 17 please?
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> satyam: look what Seveas said
[06:35] <dammage> I have a swap partition (hda1) and / - ext3 (hda2), nothing else
[06:36] <suldal> Sevas: I installed yours, what else needs to be done. It still wont recognice dvd's
[06:36] <tuxJr_14> hi
[06:36] <DPadclear> This is truly bazaar. Does no one here know how to build debs?
[06:36] <Seveas> dammage, looks like your grub config is messed up, can you boot from a live CD and post it
[06:36] <dammage> hi
[06:36] <pele1410> howto
[06:36] <dammage> I am currently sitting in MEPIS live CD
[06:36] <Seveas> DPadclear, sudo apt-get install maint-guide and look in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide
[06:36] <dammage> and chrooted also into ubuntu
[06:36] <satyam> is it that i need to install some compiler in ubuntu
[06:37] <dammage> moment
[06:37] <Seveas> dammage, ah nice, way ahead of me then :)
[06:37] <Seveas> satyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential <---
[06:37] <Seveas> listen!
[06:37] <satyam> ya
[06:37] <NoHope> hi all
[06:37] <chrys_seren> hi, i just messed up something idiotic: moved all files out of /bin ...
[06:37] <Seveas> chrys_seren, omg....
[06:37] <Seveas> where to?
[06:37] <chrys_seren> would someone be able to paste a directory listing somewhere?
[06:37] <chrys_seren> (to /usr/local/bin...)
[06:37] <NoHope> hey, some doc about ubuntu initialization system?
[06:38] <chrys_seren> i wanted to move ./bin/* and moved /bin/*
[06:38] <Seveas> chrys_seren, hehe
[06:38] <chrys_seren> running a warty install with most packages upgraded to hoary
[06:38] <dammage> wait a moment - this machine is too slow to run Mozilla and KDE live, ill post devices.map and menu.lst
[06:38] <Seveas> did you have a lot in /usr/local/bin already?
[06:38] <dammage> fstab also
[06:38] <suldal> Seveas: I installed yours, what else needs to be done. It still wont recognice dvd's
[06:38] <Seveas> dammage, post `fdisk -l` too
[06:38] <satyam> hey seveas what to do after this
[06:38] <Seveas> satyam, after that you have gcc...
[06:38] <Seveas> brb..
[06:39] <chrys_seren> er... i messed up more ... moved the stuff from /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin.... pure panic ...
[06:39] <dammage> ok
[06:39] <chrys_seren> so i don't know any more what was originally in   /bin/
[06:39] <Seveas> chrys_seren, /usr/local/bin usually does not conatin too much
[06:40] <HappyFool> my /usr/local/bin contains nothing
[06:40] <chrys_seren> Seveas, i know, and i'd have had my my entire /bin/ there if i hadn't compounded the error...
[06:40] <Seveas> chrys_seren, you should simply do: /usr/local/bin/mv /usr/local/bin/* /bin
[06:40] <Seveas> chrys_seren, ewww, now you moved all to /usr/bin ....?
[06:40] <othernoob> mmh, is there a way to make k3b not use the name "k3b data project" by default and use a diff one instead?
[06:41] <chrys_seren> Seveas, i know i ought to have done that. /usr/local/bin originally had only two small scripts.
[06:41] <chrys_seren> but now everything is in /usr/bin/
[06:41] <Seveas> chrys_seren, hmm, bad news, hang on
[06:41] <chrys_seren> so... machine is running b/c i copied /usr/bin to /bin/.. but that's not sustainable
[06:41] <chrys_seren> i'd just do with a directory listing for /bin/
[06:41] <dammage> a small question: chrooted env cannot acces /proc, what do I have to do to get fdisk -l?
[06:41] <subiiminal> can i check an install cd on windows, before i reboot?
[06:41] <chrys_seren> so that i know what to keep there (sh, bash... ls...)
[06:41] <chrys_seren> it's not much
[06:42] <Seveas> chrys_seren, hang on
[06:42] <chrys_seren> Seveas, thanks
[06:42] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/741
[06:42] <Seveas> that's an ls -al /bin
[06:42] <chrys_seren> Seveas, thanks, you're an angel
[06:42] <Seveas> hehe
[06:43] <chrys_seren> (love ubuntu, otherwise... install it where i can)
[06:43] <rndrdbrian> Quick question if you may:  Trying to add a cups printer using the print manager, the "Add a Printer" dialogue appears, but it has no buttons or icons on it.
[06:45] <Crembo> hmmm. Ubuntu - linux - for practically the first time. what a doozy. booted the live version off the super combo DVD. took 30 seconds to "configuring your network via DHCP". still had to figure out how to enable eth0, but no troubles after that. now to figure out how to raise screen refresh rate above 60Hz..
[06:45] <teferi> i'm awake, i'm awake
[06:45] <teferi> i'll update the wiki when i get home from the party. that is six hours in the future.
[06:45] <qt2> what is /.dev used for, and why's it using up 33gb? <.<;
[06:46] <dammage> so, i pasted everything: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/742
[06:46] <vader1102> qt2: wow!! I wouldn't even have a system if it was on that lol, only have a 6 gb hard disk lol
[06:47] <HappyFool> qt2: my / and /.dev have exactly the same used/available space -- i suspect it's being double-counted
[06:48] <HappyFool> qt2: about, look in 'mount' -- there's a 'bind' mount option
[06:48] <qt2> vader1102, heh, which is why i'm wondering what it is and why it's taking up so much space, as my hard drive is now full... ;)
[06:48] <HappyFool> s/about/ah
[06:48] <rndrdbrian> anyone? Problems adding printer
[06:49] <qt2> HappyFool, i dtill dont understand what it's for exactly o.O;
[06:50] <dammage> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/742
[06:50] <HappyFool> qt2: i wouldn't worry about it -- i don't think it's real
[06:50] <qt2> rndrdbrian, tried to use synaptic to do a complete remove of cups and reinstall it?
[06:50] <teferi> HappyFool: /dev is a tmpfs
[06:50] <qt2> HappyFool, it is if it's taking up a large amount of space... <.<;
[06:50] <teferi> HappyFool: /.dev is a bind mount of antoher filesystem, I think, so that udev information doesn't get lost across reboots
[06:51] <rndrdbrian> qt2, thanks! I'll give that a shot!
[06:51] <dammage> moment, I'll reboot
[06:52] <Seveas> dammage, is your bios maybe a bit old
[06:52] <Seveas> maybe it needs LBA support switched on
[06:52] <dammage> Seveas, I had no problems with older distributions ...
[06:52] <Seveas> ok, so that's not it :)
[06:52] <dammage> and the BIOS is 1998, well, yeah, but it supports LBA and so on
[06:52] <Seveas> error 17 is 'cannot mount partition'
[06:52] <wrtpeeps> how do i mount my network, which i have found at smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:53] <rndrdbrian> qt2, according to synaptic, that will remove ubuntu-desktop!
[06:53] <Seveas> but the files you pasted all look good
[06:53] <dammage> yeah, I know, but why shouldnt it be able to mount my partition?
[06:53] <Seveas> dammage, ENOIDEA (yet)
[06:53] <qt2> rndrdbrian, you can reinstall ubuntu desktop rather easily i think... o.o;
[06:53] <dammage> is it possible because of kernel 2.6?
[06:53] <dammage> i could try kernel 2.
[06:53] <dammage> 4
[06:53] <HappyFool> qt2: maybe teferi knows more; my point is, i don't think there's a file system really taking up 33GB -- i think it's reporting the usage of / under a different name
[06:54] <Seveas> no it's a grub problem
[06:54] <Seveas> not a linux problem
[06:54] <dammage> ok
[06:54] <Seveas> 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
[06:54] <Seveas>     This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[06:54] <teferi> Seveas: itym 'EAGAIN' :)
[06:54] <qt2> rndrdbrian, read the description of ubuntu-desktop.
[06:55] <dammage> ok, thank you for your support
[06:55] <rndrdbrian> qt2, ive uninstalled cupsys, ubuntu-desktop etc and i'm reinstalling.... so far, no crashes!
[06:55] <Seveas> dammage, try setting the partition type with cfdisk
[06:55] <dammage> cfdisk? moment
[06:55] <deFrysk>
[06:55] <nalioth> Seveas: howdy howdy
[06:56] <dammage> kinda cfdisk /dev/hda?
[06:56] <rndrdbrian> qt2, printer management applet still shows blank "Add Printer" dialogue...
[06:56] <Seveas> dammage, correct
[06:56] <Seveas> hi nalioth
[06:56] <dammage> FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[06:56] <dammage>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[06:56] <Seveas> dammage, as root ..?
[06:56] <nalioth> dammage: you have to use 'sudo'
[06:56] <dammage> as root in chroot
[06:56] <Seveas> dammage, odd :|
[06:56] <dammage> ah, in livecd env i have no problems, moment
[06:57] <Seveas> were you root outside the chroot too?
[06:57] <dammage> hda1                    Primary   Linux swap / Solaris               600.45
[06:57] <dammage>     hda2                    Primary   Linux ext3       [/]               7197.12
[06:57] <HappyFool> maybe the /dev/hd* entry isn't in the chroot
[06:58] <teferi> you know, i wish linux programs would be a little more careful with their use of terms like "FATAL"
[06:58] <Seveas> teferi, lol :)
[06:58] <HappyFool> heh
[06:58] <teferi> people tend to freak out when their computer tells them "FATAL = VERY YES"
[06:58] <Seveas> teferi, now that you are awake:
[06:58] <teferi> and to be honest, i can't blame them
 Seveas: remind me to update BinaryDriverHowto for slmodem tomorrow, please
 Seveas: and to write BluetoothHowto or osmething
[06:58] <dammage> and what kind of type should I setup if it is already linux ext3 :)?
[06:58] <H00chster> Would anyone know why when I try to use vanilla kernel 2.6.12 or 2.6.13-rc3 on Kubu AMD64 and reboot, my main drive is fine but I have /home on /dev/hdb1 and for some reason it doesn't mount it?
[06:58] <teferi> Seveas: yes, when i get home
[06:58] <Seveas> :)
[06:59] <Seveas> dammage, indeed, should be ok
[06:59] <phixion> Seveas, you should write a guide for ubuntu users
[06:59] <phixion> would save you so much time in here :)
[06:59] <dammage> I'll try lilo - with lilo everything worked here one year ago ...
[06:59] <teferi> phixion: wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:59] <Seveas> dammage, do you have a e2fs_stage1_5 in /boot/gtub?
[06:59] <dammage> Seveas, checking ...
[07:00] <Seveas> (in the chroot ofcourse)
[07:00] <Seveas> (and it's /boot/grub)
[07:00] <nalioth> phixion: seveas has written a guide >>>wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:00] <Seveas> nalioth, that's not mine
[07:00] <dammage> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   7744 2005-07-24 12:49 e2fs_stage1_5
[07:00] <Seveas> I've actually not written a lot on the wiki
[07:00] <Seveas> dammage, damn, that was my last idea :(
[07:01] <dammage> hehe, k, thank you, I'll try to install lilo now
[07:01] <dammage> moment
[07:01] <tim> what does it mean when something breaks? from ubuntuforums.org: "Breezy will break, often..." I just dont understand how software could 'break'.
[07:01] <dammage> gotta add remote repos to apt
[07:01] <rndrdbrian> So i'm unable to install printer
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> tim: bugs flaws etc
[07:01] <teferi> tim: it is probable that after you do a dist-upgrade and, say, restart X, X will no longer start
[07:01] <Seveas> tim, it's actually: "developers tend to break the breezy software a lot during improvements that require radical changes"
[07:01] <teferi> (with breezy)
[07:01] <nalioth> Seveas: you have had NOTHING to do with the wiki?
[07:01] <teferi> or that your MTA will no longer delvier mail
[07:02] <hybrid_goth> tim: X is broken so you GUI (gnome kde xfce) may never work
[07:02] <teferi> or that...well, you get the idea
[07:02] <nalioth> Seveas: i find that very hard to believe
[07:02] <lordfreak> ohhhhhh
[07:02] <teferi> things will misbehave
[07:02] <Seveas> nalioth, look at wiki.u.c/DennisKaarsemaker
[07:02] <Seveas> it has links to all I have written
[07:02] <lordfreak>  anyone knows if its posible to put an Image to show in GAIM ???
[07:02] <dammage> 5.04 is hoary, right?
[07:02] <Seveas> and sure I edited a few pages a bit, but not that much...
[07:02] <Seveas> dammage, correct
[07:02] <tim> ok ok...i see. thanks
[07:02] <H00chster> Is anyone running AMD64 with Vanilla Kernel?
[07:02] <Seveas> lordfreak, it is
[07:02] <lordfreak> Ohhhh xD
[07:02] <nalioth> Seveas: so you're telling me that all the info you impart in here, doesnt make it into the wiki by helpful little elvi? (such as myself?)
[07:02] <ccc> lordfreak: yes, under 'accounts'
[07:03] <hybrid_goth> lordfreak: #gaim?
[07:03] <nJess> how do i install nfs ?
[07:03] <lordfreak> Seveas.... You again.... The best :*
[07:03] <amel> hello!
[07:03] <lordfreak> JAJAJAJA
[07:03] <Seveas> lordfreak, tools -> accounts, select account, hit edit
[07:03] <Seveas> nJess, aptitude install nfs-kernel-server (nfs client is there already)
[07:03] <qt2> rndrdbrian, why would it crash...?