[12:10] <weas3l> hey DaSkreech, think you may be able to point me in the direction of a path to get my wireless working on this laptop in kubuntu?
[12:10] <DaSkreech> !wireless
[12:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:10] <misieq> JohnFlux: got any idea?
[12:11] <weas3l> hey, thanks.
[12:11] <kegie> damn firefox.. I have to resize the window to get it to repaint itself.. very annoying
[12:12] <weas3l> for future reference, i can ask the bot about anything by typing !question?
[12:12] <grothesk> Hi! Is k3b 0.12.17 available in some repo
[12:13] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Pretty much.  You can also do !ubotu and it will give you a webpage where you can search the bot database
[12:13] <DaSkreech> weas3l: Most stuff but please remember !fish
[12:14] <misieq> grothesk: http://k3b.plainblack.com/download
[12:14] <lupine_85> !fish queens
[12:14] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.0-1 (dapper), package size 355 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[12:14] <weas3l> ...interactive shell eh?
[12:14] <lupine_85> ...
[12:14] <DaSkreech> !fishing
[12:14] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[12:14] <weas3l> nice, thanks guys.
[12:14] <lupine_85> friendly?
[12:14] <JFreakCapo> what is ineractive shell ?
[12:14] <lupine_85> a friendly shell?
[12:14] <lupine_85> what is it, a cackle?
[12:15] <grothesk> misieq: thx!
[12:16] <misieq> grothesk: also:
[12:16] <grothesk> misieq: So this is the official homepage with no dapper packages.
[12:16] <misieq> !k3b
[12:16] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[12:16] <grothesk> misieq: I know hot to use k3b.
[12:17] <lupine_85> k3b++
[12:17] <grothesk> I'm just hunting for the latest version.
[12:17] <lupine_85> apt-cache showpkg k3b suggests 0.12.14-0ubuntu7
[12:17] <misieq> grothesk: if you read closely, you might see that this site also says where the new packages are...
[12:18] <grothesk> misieq: In dapper-backports.
[12:18] <grothesk> But there is no k3b 0.12.17 in my dapper-backports...
[12:18] <lupine_85> presumably it's not available as a dapper package, then
[12:18] <lupine_85> it might be in edgy, or you could build your own
[12:18] <Hawkwind> !info k3b edgy
[12:19] <lupine_85> or request it, of course :)
[12:19] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3975 kB, installed size 8432 kB
[12:19] <misieq> grothesk: then it means 1. it hasn't been backported yet 2. it hasn't been made a .deb archive yet
[12:19] <lupine_85> uboto is smart!
[12:19] <misieq> ahh... you got your answer then :)
[12:19] <grothesk> Not really ;-)
[12:20] <grothesk> So I'll build it myself.
[12:20] <lupine_85> grothesk: it'll be out in edgy - end of october ;)
[12:20] <lupine_85> ...or DIY of course
[12:20] <lupine_85> hmm
[12:20] <lupine_85> msg ubotu acts as a request to edit... which gets forwarded to the ops?
[12:20] <lupine_85> Ulp
[12:20] <misieq> grothesk: you can download a source and create a .deb archive so it won't spoil your apt
[12:20] <lupine_85> s/it/is
[12:21] <grothesk> misieq: That's what I'm going to do now.
[12:21] <lupine_85> !rt2500
[12:21] <ubotu> rt2500: configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.0+cvs20051217-1 (dapper), package size 99 kB, installed size 368 kB
[12:21] <misieq> grothesk: good.  .debs are good ;)
[12:22] <lupine_85> does anyone know if that's rutilt or RaConfig ?
[12:22] <grothesk> CU!
[12:22] <misieq> gotta go, bye!
[12:22] <Flappineagle> can someone give me the short version of how to connect this to undernet , this is my first try with Konversation in ubuntu
[12:26] <kuzmaster> hello all
[12:26] <kuzmaster> how can i give myself full root privlidges?
[12:26] <kuzmaster> if i can spell it right
[12:26] <RawSewage_> you dont want to
[12:27] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: sudo passwd  or sudo passwd root
[12:27] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: Why not ?
[12:27] <RawSewage_> try to avoid that urge
[12:27] <kuzmaster> no, but without having to do that
[12:27] <RawSewage_> idk
[12:27] <Hawkwind> Some people prefer to have a traditional root account, including myself
[12:27] <lupine_85> RawSewage_: it's handy for when sudo breaks
[12:27] <RawSewage_> you have to learn not to want to do that
[12:27] <lupine_85> lol
[12:27] <lupine_85> !best
[12:27] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[12:27] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: Why ?
[12:27] <lupine_85> :p
[12:27] <kuzmaster> cos, like, i cant make changes to the network settings
[12:28] <RawSewage_> It's the Ubuntu way
[12:28] <lupine_85> so?
[12:28] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: That doesn't mean you can't have a traditional root account
[12:28] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: in <random GUI program>?
[12:28] <kuzmaster> when i click on 'admin mode' it just kinda clears everything, and theres nothing there
[12:28] <kuzmaster> lupine_85, for all
[12:28] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: If you do sudo passwd or sudo passwd root  set a password then you can
[12:28] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: run all of kcontrol as root
[12:28] <lupine_85> e.g. kdesu kcontrol
[12:28] <lupine_85> (I've had that problem myself a time or two)
[12:29] <kuzmaster> like Hawkwind said, how can i have a tradititonal root account
[12:29] <kuzmaster> thats what it want
[12:29] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: I told you twice
[12:29] <lupine_85> sudo passwd will let you set a password
[12:29] <lupine_85> then you just log in as normal
[12:29] <kuzmaster> ok
[12:29] <lupine_85> probably best to only use it in console though ;)
[12:29] <Hawkwind> After you set it, su -  <hit enter>  enter the password <hit enter>
[12:29] <weas3l> hey, stupid question, but after i extract the tarball of firefox into the directory i want it, how do i run it?
[12:29] <lupine_85> (running kde as root is... interesting...)
[12:30] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Depends
[12:30] <lupine_85> weas3l: the 2.0 beta?
[12:30] <DaSkreech> weas3l: Why don't you just apt-get firefox?
[12:30] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Read the README or INSTALL file
[12:30] <kuzmaster> !pastebin
[12:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:30] <weas3l> Hawkwind, no, the <IP_ADDRESS> version
[12:30] <DaSkreech> apt-get install firefox
[12:30] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Why do you need <IP_ADDRESS> ??
[12:31] <Hawkwind> weas3l: sudo apt-get install firefox will get you the version in the repos which is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:31] <weas3l> so what is apt-get?
[12:31] <lupine_85> aren't there (more) security vulnerabilities in .0.5?
[12:31] <lupine_85> or is the .0.4 ?
[12:31] <Hawkwind> !apt-get
[12:31] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:31] <weas3l> i just went to the website for firefox and downloaded the most current version...
[12:31] <lupine_85> weas3l: s/apt-get/adept if you prefer
[12:32] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: There's vulnerabilities in every version of firefox
[12:32] <AZ_AS> what's the keyboard shortcut for switching between desktops?
[12:32] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: I know, but are there actively-exploited vulns in .0.5?
[12:32] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Not that I've heard of
[12:32] <lupine_85> cool
[12:32] <lupine_85> must've been .0.4 then
[12:33] <kuzmaster> am i supposed to get this after running kdesu kcontrol?
[12:33] <kuzmaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22957
[12:34] <NthDegree> somehow i doubt that
[12:34] <weas3l> what does 'firefox has no installation candidate' mean?
[12:34] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: it shouldn't affect kcontrol from running
[12:34] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Yes, it's quite normal.  Read this post on my forums to fix it:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[12:34] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Means you don't have your sources setup correctly
[12:34] <kuzmaster> k, it seems to be running normally
[12:34] <NthDegree> weas31, put apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:35] <weas3l> same error.
[12:35] <weas3l> Hawkwind, how can i determine that?
[12:35] <kuzmaster> weas3l, are you sure you have the repos for firefox?
[12:35] <kuzmaster> !easysource
[12:35] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:35] <kuzmaster> i love that
[12:35] <lupine_85> it's just general fluff from the install
[12:35] <lupine_85> it's amazing how much junk many GUI programs put out when you run them under CLI
[12:35] <lupine_85> well, I suppose they're useful for debugging and stuff ;)
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> the firefox binary from mozilla.org runs alot faster (than the repository one)
[12:36] <Hawkwind> The bad device errors come from having 'wacom' stuff in your xorg.conf
[12:36] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Ummmm how do you come up with said information ?
[12:36] <Hawkwind> I've run them both and they are no different IMO
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> The mozilla binary runs exponentially faster on my system
[12:37] <lupine_85> howon earth did a device that almost nobody uses end up in everyone's xorg.conf, anyway?
[12:37] <kuzmaster> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP
[12:37] <kuzmaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22958
[12:37] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: to what power?
[12:37] <weas3l> kuzmaster, i'm not sure... as a total linux noob i followed my windows instinct, went to getfirefox.com and downloaded the tarball from there... after confiring with the install faq, i ran the suggested command in my console, it extracted everything fine.
[12:37] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: No idea
[12:37] <weas3l> but thats all it left me.
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: e
[12:37] <lupine_85> or do you mean that the longer you run it, the faster it gets...?
[12:37] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Do you have adept open ?
[12:37] <kuzmaster> no
[12:38] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Try running it again
[12:38] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: It looks like you have another instance of apt-get running or adept is open
[12:38] <kuzmaster> now i get  this
[12:38] <kuzmaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22958
[12:38] <kuzmaster> oops
[12:38] <kuzmaster> no
[12:38] <kuzmaster> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Sep  9 18:24:45 2006
[12:38] <kuzmaster> that
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: i don't mean that (scrolling is alot slower with the one from the repos but maybe it looks slightly better) - minefield from the daily builds is definately faster
[12:38] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: sudo apt-get update
[12:39] <kuzmaster> same
[12:39] <kuzmaster> it hates me
[12:39] <Hawkwind> weas3l: You really need to learn the distros package manager.
[12:39] <weas3l> evidently.
[12:40] <Hawkwind> weas3l: That will solve a lot of problems for you as you can easily install stuff with sudo apt-get install.  Hard to find stuff that isn't pre-packaged for the distro already
[12:40] <lupine_85> !lazarus
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lazarus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <lupine_85> :D
[12:40] <weas3l> i... kinda see...
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> weas3l: extract the tarball to /opt or something and then launch it with /opt/firefox/firefox
[12:41] <lupine_85> how does one request /submit a package to be included, anyway?
[12:41] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox and stop compiling stuff :P
[12:41] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Ask in #Ubuntu-MOTU for one thing
[12:41] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Or build it yourself and submit it
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Shhhhhhhhhh, it's unclemike
[12:41] <Hawkwind> :P
[12:42] <lupine_85> I have packages :)
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Why ? I use binarys just ones built by the developers of firefox (and without junk like pango)
[12:42] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: deb packages of lazarus ?
[12:42] <lupine_85> yep
[12:42] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: It's just not recommended.  Especially for a brand new user.  You can mess up the package manager if you aren't careful
[12:42] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: *You* know what you're doing so you won't, but the new user risks the chances
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Impossible if you put stuff in /opt
[12:43] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i hate this and this hates me
[12:43] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Again, new users don't know that
[12:44] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Email me the packages and I'll put them in my repo as well if you want
[12:44] <unclemike> Hawkwind: how do i add your E17 repo to kubuntu
[12:44] <Hawkwind> unclemike: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[12:44] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: it is compiled for gtk...
[12:44] <Hawkwind> unclemike: Info is on the page just like the Mandriva stuff :P
[12:44] <lupine_85> do you use lazarus at all?
[12:44] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I've never used it, no
[12:44] <lupine_85> object pascal++ :D
[12:44] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Have you had a chance to build E17 from the sources for the 64Bit system yet ?
[12:45] <A|i3N> Hey is there any way to play MSN Zone games with Konqueror or FireFox???!?!
[12:45] <Hawkwind> A|i3N: Doubtful as they require flash 8 or better
[12:45] <Hawkwind> A|i3N: Linux won't have flash 9 until after the first of the year
[12:45] <lupine_85> meh. nobody talking to me in ubuntu-motu. can you /msg me your email Hawkwind?
[12:45] <kuzmaster> why dose this hate me?
[12:45] <A|i3N> what about flash 8? hehe
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Haven't had chance (I will get it done monday or tuesday next week)
[12:45] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: hawkwind AT gmail DOT com
[12:46] <A|i3N> so there's not like, some crack or some kinda modification i can use to play it ..
[12:46] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Kewl.  Let me know how it goes
[12:46] <Hawkwind> A|i3N: Nope
[12:46] <lupine_85> is 71MB OK? (3 .deb files)
[12:46] <A|i3N> ah well guess i'll try the ie6 i have installed lol
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: The 64 bit system is not where I am currently so it cannot be done before then
[12:46] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Or you can tar them up and DCC them to me if you want
[12:46] <A|i3N> although i doubt that'll work either
[12:46] <kuzmaster> hey, is there any disadventages of using the 64-bit version?
[12:46] <lupine_85> HAwkwind: probably best if I stick them on my server
[12:46] <lupine_85> (832kbps upload)
[12:46] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Ah ok
[12:47] <lupine_85> 1 second...
[12:47] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Nice!
[12:47] <lupine_85> 40pcm!
[12:47] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I have 8Mb down but RR only gives us 512K up :(
[12:47] <lupine_85> I'm in the UK
[12:47] <lupine_85> mind you, an unmetered 8128/832kbps connection is ~80
[12:47] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Most 64bit OS's still have some issues but are getting better.  The real advantage to 64bit is if you have more than 4GB of RAM
[12:48] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, i know that, but i only have 1gb of ram
[12:48] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Personally I'd stick with the 32bit version then
[12:48] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, what about wine, i herd something about that before, being 32-bit or somtihng?
[12:49] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Wine is an app that allows you to run Windows app in
[12:49] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, well, i was gonna use the 64-bit version, but i couldnt find the cd's
[12:49] <Hawkwind> s/in/in linux
[12:49] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, i know that, but i herd somone else stating out somthing like it being 32-bit or somtihng, i dont know
[12:50] <lupine_85> urgh, slow wireless...
[12:50] <NthDegree> 64bit is more reliable if the program is stable
[12:50] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: I know nothing about Wine really since I don't use Windows at all.  It very well might be available for 32bit only
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> You can use 64 bit with a 32 bit chroot and its ok
[12:50] <lupine_85> 250KB/sec data transfer over the LAN
[12:50] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Though you can use 32bit apps within a 64bit install
[12:50] <NthDegree> uh WINE can run on 64 bit without a chroot
[12:50] <kuzmaster> i know, but.......... yeah
[12:50] <lupine_85> 700KB/sec download from the internet...
[12:50] <NthDegree> people are so ignorant to IA32-libs.............
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> There is a wrapper for running 32bit firefox plugins on 65 bit
[12:51] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Thanks.  I have no clue about wine.  And prefer not to
[12:52] <NthDegree> you can get a wine package but it is 32 bit, so you need to force dpkg to install it then fix up and lib inconsistencies with 32 bit versions being put in lib32
[12:52] <NthDegree> -and
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just compile wine for 64 bit and use 64 bit windows dll's etc if necessary ?
[12:53] <lupine_85> at last! Hawkwind: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/lazarus
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> (windows xp 64 runs 32 / 64 bit at the same time)
[12:54] <A|i3N> hey just so you know i just got an msn zone game with work with wine running ie6 .. wasn't as great as on windows but hey it worked hehe....
[12:54] <lupine_85> they might need a bit of fixing up, dependency-wise
[12:54] <lupine_85> but they work perfectly
[12:54] <lupine_85> (you need all three installed to get a working build environment)
[12:55] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Grabbing them now.  Also, are they signed at all with a key ?
[12:55] <lupine_85> found you :) tcp        0  27512 lupine.me.uk:www        cpe-24-167-43-76.:46776 ESTABLISHED
[12:55] <lupine_85> erm, no key
[12:55] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Ok kewl
[12:55] <lupine_85> (I have a gpg key, but never seem to use it)
[12:56] <weas3l> thats odd... when i go to run /home/user/firefox/firefox ... it just doesnt.
[12:56] <matgates> hello.
[12:56] <matgates> I have a question about gtk apps...
[12:57] <bender_> hmm
[12:57] <lupine_85> !ask
[12:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:57] <matgates> I have an ubuntu machine on which I installed kubuntu-desktop, and since then my gtk apps don't use the same look for the widgets (even under gnome desktop).  How come?
[01:01] <pimuri> hi folks. can anybody help me? I can't hear any sound in vlc. I tried alsa, oss and standard. e.g. in xmms the sound works fine.
[01:02] <bender_ku> Hmm....well this is a big contrast between XP (Kubuntu)
[01:04] <ccc> bender_ku: yes
[01:05] <bender_ku> Been trying to install FireFox but finding some of the dependcies is a pita...what's a good place to find them (Google's not helping much...grrr...)
[01:05] <ccc> bender_ku: how are you trying to install it?
[01:06] <lupine_85> *snore(
[01:06] <lupine_85> night hawkwind
[01:06] <plugs> how can i access another computer on my network?
[01:06] <bender_ku> I went to the FireFox site and downloading the tar.gz, managed to decompress it but whenever I try and run it I get a (secs changing the exact error)
[01:06] <ccc> bender_ku: open konsole (terminal) and type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:06] <ccc> bender_ku: done
[01:07] <bender_ku> That easy...?
[01:07] <bender_ku> kk gonna try
[01:07] <ccc> yes
[01:07] <ccc> that command downloads and installs it for you
[01:07] <jetpeach> does anybody here run edgy?  i'm wondering why firefox bon echo beta 2 isn't yet installing on my machine, maybe my repos are messed up?
[01:07] <bender_ku> wow
[01:07] <ccc> there are tens of thousands of programs available
[01:08] <Hawkwind> jetpeach: Probably because edgy comes with 2.0b1
[01:08] <jetpeach> k
[01:08] <jetpeach> just checking
[01:08] <ccc> bender_ku: you can type: apt-cache search <name>    to search for stuff
[01:08] <bender_ku> That was...really easy...
[01:08] <bender_ku> I take it all apps aren't that easy to install though?
[01:08] <jetpeach> hawkwind: it's just that beta2 has been out for a while
[01:09] <bender_ku> Ah kk
[01:09] <ccc> bender_ku: or, if you prefer a GUI, use Adept (which is in the System menu)
[01:09] <jetpeach> seems like it should've been in by now
[01:09] <bender_ku> Well saw adept a few times but wanted to do it the longg way the first time
[01:09] <bender_ku> Figure if gonna do it want to do it right the first time before using the GUI
[01:09] <ccc> good thinking. and the command line way is usually faster too :)
[01:10] <bender_ku> Yah, seems easy enough lol
[01:10] <jetpeach> too bad adept is so buggy... none of the graphical package managers work as well as aptitude either
[01:10] <bender_ku> Ah
[01:10] <bender_ku> So will it always work so well finding dependencies using that sudo apt-get command?
[01:11] <jetpeach> though aptitude took me a little bit to figure out well (it remembers which packages were installed because they were dependencies, versus those you actually chose to install so when you remove a program, it will remove unneeded dependencies if you want)
[01:11] <Hawkwind> jetpeach: I'm running Knot2 in vmware and have firefox 2.0b1 installed and it was there when I installed it originally
[01:11] <ccc> bender_ku: well yeah basically. the packages you find there automatically installed dependencies
[01:11] <ccc> *install
[01:11] <bender_ku> a h kk
[01:11] <bender_ku> ah*
[01:12] <jetpeach> hawkwind: cool, yeah i was searching through launchpad trying to figure out when/if beta2 was in, but sounds like they just haven't got it in there.  beta1 is awful for me, pretty much unusable because it crashes sooo much
[01:12] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I have all the files now.  I'll put them in my repo a bit later this evening
[01:12] <elknof1> hey hi everybody
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: I think aptitude is the best option
[01:12] <jetpeach> yep aptitude rocks
[01:12] <elknof1> just a question...   cipherfunk repo is working??
[01:13] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: but i do wish there was a nice graphical one that was as capable.
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: What is wrong with the ncurses aptitude ?
[01:13] <elknof1> !paste
[01:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: You can even play minesweeper if things are really messed up (what other package manager can you do that with)
[01:14] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: what is ncurses?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: if you run sudo aptitude - its the text based gui you get
[01:14] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: if it's just what i know as aptitude, i'm fine with it, but for most people i think they would really like something prettier.  and sometiems i would to.  but i just want whatever that something is to be just as capable
[01:14] <bender_ku> Another question...what's the default path that programs usually get installed too...?
[01:14] <NthDegree> ncurses is what is used for make menuconfig as an example
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> I would always prefer faster or works better over pretty (when it comes to computer programs anyway)
[01:15] <elknof1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22960 if someone can help me, i've already added the keys, but it throws me that... i need to install w32codecs
[01:15] <ccc> bender_ku: usually /usr/bin
[01:16] <bender_ku> ah kk thx (thought it was somewhere around there lol)
[01:16] <jetpeach> i see, ncurses is ok, i can handle it but i love the qt interface and would really like to see a good package manager for it, or major major improvements to adapt.  i don't always remember all the keystrokes in aptitude, and hitting ctnl-t and going through the menus can be tedious....
[01:18] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: i don't think qt interfaces need to slow anything down, or at least not noticably.  but yes, generally my sentiments are the same.  i just wish all the time people spent developing gnome apps would be spent on kde ones.  i think gtk+ is sooo ugly
[01:22] <bary> i need a good html editor ..any1?
[01:23] <Mortice> !quanta
[01:23] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 2295 kB, installed size 5600 kB
[01:24] <bender_ku> brb
[01:25] <bary> i need a player and some codecs to see a movie? can you recomand me something?
[01:25] <Mortice> bary: what kind of movie?
[01:25] <bary> mortice: a avi
[01:26] <Mortice> bary: heh. ok. you probably need the w32codecs.
[01:26] <Mortice> !w32codecs
[01:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:34] <_bender_> That's so odd...when adding a file to the...menu (start menu or whatever it's called in KDE) didn't have to give the direct path to the program only the usr/bin folder
[01:41] <karanga> Is there anyway to automatically add all synaptic items with the ubuntu icon?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> karanga: nope not that i have ever seen
[01:43] <karanga> OK, thanks anyway :o)
[01:43] <seth> karanga, if you really want to (I don't recommend)
[01:43] <seth> click the icon column to sort by ubuntu icon
[01:43] <seth> then click the first one
[01:43] <seth> scroll down to the end
[01:43] <LeeJunFan> Time to try edgy out in a vm - I want to see how kde4 is doing :)
[01:43] <seth> hold Shift key
[01:43] <seth> click the last one
[01:43] <seth> then mark all for installation
[01:43] <seth> that's a couple thousand though karanga... probably more stuff than you want :P
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: I don't think there are any visible changes (its just kde 3.5.4 compiled with qt4 if I am reading it right)
[01:44] <karanga> seth: thanks for that, think I will heed your warning :O)
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: I've been wondering - I saw some screenies a while back that made it look pretty nice, but any recent screens I've seen looked the same as 3.5.4
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: I think the other screenies were just artist concept designs
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: well, I hope they juice it up some.
[01:46] <bary> can nay1 help me on privat to install some codecs?
[01:47] <Hawkwind> bary: Just ask your question here and someone will help you
[01:47] <bary> i wanna see movies
[01:47] <Hawkwind> !codecs
[01:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:48] <Hawkwind> bary: Read those pages.  It will help you get things installed to view movies of most any kind
[01:49] <bary> Hawkwind: its my first day on linux so i think it will be a little bit hard
[01:49] <Tom-_-> shit, what can u do when ur underage and run out of cigarettes....?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> bary: not really iirc they give you the commands/packages to look for
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> Tom-_-: stop.
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> quit
[01:49] <Tom-_-> i cant
[01:49] <Tom-_-> they taste so goood
[01:50] <gnomefreak> Tom-_-: please join #kubuntu-offtopic and ask them
[01:50] <Hawkwind> bary: You think it's too hard to read and copy/paste the commands that it tells you ?
[01:50] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: Please watch the language
[01:50] <Tom-_-> i cant
[01:50] <junkphreak> hey hawkwind :}
[01:50] <Tom-_-> i spoke english
[01:50] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: You can't what ?
[01:51] <Hawkwind> junkphreak: Hey there
[01:51] <Hawkwind> !language
[01:51] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:51] <Tom-_-> how can i watch what language i speak?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> !language
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> bary: everything worth doing takes effort. :)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> eh
[01:51] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: No need for the cussing
[01:51] <Tom-_-> i dont get it
[01:51] <Tom-_-> oh
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Tom-_-: dont push your luck
[01:51] <Tom-_-> why didnt u say so
[01:51] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: I did
[01:51] <karanga> Assuming I have installed a second hdd formatted it and mounted it. Can I move (any) (some) or (none) of the original folders setup in the installation?
[01:51] <junkphreak> he did
[01:51] <Hawkwind> Hence the....watch your language
[01:51] <Tom-_-> no u said watch my language
[01:51] <bary> guys your right and i really like to learn tnx for your help
[01:51] <Tom-_-> you never said not to cuss
[01:51] <Tom-_-> huge diffrence
[01:52] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: You know what that means, please don't argue or press your luck
[01:52] <seth> karanga: you may edit /etc/fstab and move the mountpoints for things like /boot or /etc
[01:52] <Tom-_-> no i dont
[01:52] <junkphreak> its pretty normal not to cus in any public irc server :}
[01:52] <gnomefreak> Tom-_-: join #kubuntu-offtopic this has gone way off topic
[01:52] <seth> hawkwind, english is not his first language, give him a break, he didn't understand the idiom "watch your language"
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Okay, point taken - lets not fill up my HD with logfiles about not cussing :p
[01:52] <karanga> seth: thanks again
[01:52] <seth> cheers karanga
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: you have gmail?
[01:53] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Yeppers
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: try to get into it please
[01:53] <Tom-_-> see seth uunderstand
[01:53] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I was just using it about 2 minutes ago
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ack
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:53] <Hawkwind> No problem
[01:54] <seth> karanga: you may find this useful... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MoveMountpointHowto
[01:56] <karanga> seth: thanks - how does Ubuntu afford to send out Ubuntu CD for free by the way? It must cost them a fortune.
[01:58] <seth> karanga, Mark Shuttleworth foots the bill-- the CDs aren't actually that expensive, it's the shipping :)
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> The amount of the cost of the cd's is nothing compared to the amount of work done by debian (which he effectively gets for free)
[01:58] <karanga> Well I'm more than taken with Ubuntu and especially the support which you get left right and centre. So glad I formatted XP for this.
[02:00] <karanga> Still it's a very nice touch - M$ could take a leaf out of the installation process, way ahead of M$ in my opinion
[02:01] <balonio> I have a noob question regarding gcc 4.0
[02:01] <pierreth> Is it possible to switch the Cancel and OK button in KDE?
[02:01] <nagyv> I would like to repartition an usb connected external hdd, but qtparted always says: "Critical error during ped_disk_new". What does it mean?
[02:02] <balonio> I'm trying to compile a basic :hello world program, and Im getting errors
[02:04] <shadowr3d> Thats great balonio
[02:04] <karanga> Does anyone know if there is there a shortcut keystroke to switch workspaces?
[02:05] <shadowr3d>  alt-tab
[02:05] <shadowr3d> try it
[02:05] <karanga> shadowr3d: that just seems to switch between apps
[02:05] <shadowr3d> Karanga its alt-tab
[02:06] <shadowr3d> o
[02:06] <_bender_> How would I uninstall a program (using FireFox as example appy since managed to get it installed...so why not try uninstalling it now)
[02:06] <balonio> do a google search for keybaord shortcuts kde... that's how I found them
[02:06] <karanga> ok ta
[02:06] <nagyv> karanga: you can set your own (and find out the actual ones under system settings.
[02:06] <nagyv> I would like to repartition an usb connected external hdd, but qtparted always says: "Critical error during ped_disk_new". What does it mean?
[02:06] <karanga> hehe polite way of saying rtfm lol
[02:06] <nagyv> _bender_: how did you installed it? via adept?
[02:07] <nagyv> _bender_: if it's a normal debian package (.deb extension) then you can uninstall it with adept
[02:07] <shadowr3d> Anyone know what katapult is?
[02:07] <_bender_> I installed it via sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:07] <nagyv> shadowr3d: yeah, it's a cool app! :)
[02:07] <Hawkwind> !katapult
[02:07] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[02:07] <shadowr3d> ok
[02:07] <shadowr3d> thanks
[02:07] <balonio> Its ctrl+alt+"arrow key"
[02:08] <seth> karanga, you can set one up in SystemSettings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts > "Walk Through Desktops"
[02:08] <nagyv> _bender_: use adept to uninstall it (and also to install packages if you don't know their names
[02:08] <_bender_> Ah kk, but is there a long way to do the uninstall (if Adept ever doesn't work...unless it always does then nm)
[02:09] <balonio> Anyone have experience with GCC4.0?
[02:09] <nagyv> apt-get remove packagename
[02:09] <nagyv> _bender_:
[02:09] <shadowr3d> WOW OMG THAT IS SO COOL I NEVER KNEW THAT thanks ubotu now i know what katapult is
[02:09] <_bender_> ah kk
[02:09] <nagyv> I would like to repartition an usb connected external hdd, but qtparted always says: "Critical error during ped_disk_new". What does it mean?
[02:10] <_bender_> Seems alot easier than I remember...since thought uninstalling/installing apps was nightmarish on Linux
[02:10] <seth> _bender_, nope... package management is beautiful
[02:10] <shadowr3d> nagyu
[02:10] <nagyv> _bender_: I think it's just an urban legend :)
[02:10] <seth> _bender_, just don't try to compile and install apps yourself unless you know what you're doing... you'll most likely never get them uninstalled :)
[02:10] <shadowr3d> if noboby answers you its because they dont know or dont want to help you
[02:10] <_bender_> lol ah well that's what I have irc for :D
[02:11] <_bender_> and yah..probably an urban legend...but the last time tried Linux (Slax...wee...) it didn't go quite as well
[02:11] <seth> shadowr3d, that is why he is continuing to ask, in case someone new has come in who knows the answer (or returned from afk)
[02:12] <shadowr3d> what else is cool on kubuntu besides the games and wine and katapult and amarok
[02:12] <shadowr3d> ok
[02:12] <balonio> um, yeah.... plus I'm tying to regiter so I can private msg
[02:12] <balonio> REGISTER
[02:12] <nagyv> how could I repartition a drive?
[02:12] <serishema> hi kubuntu newbie here looking for help
[02:12] <_bender_> Aren't we all :o
[02:12] <seth> nagyv, destructively or non?
[02:13] <shadowr3d> rezise it and pick how many gigs you want it to have
[02:13] <nagyv> seth: non
[02:13] <serishema> everything worked fine until i tried to set up dual monitors
[02:13] <serishema> at which point X will only work in recovery mode
[02:13] <serishema> i tried editing my /etc/X11/Xorg.conf by hand as i would in freebsd
[02:13] <nagyv> shadowr3d: which program?
[02:13] <serishema> but that didn't work the X configuration seems to be stored somewhere else
[02:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> nagyv, have you googled on that error?
[02:13] <seth> nagyv, I'd try gparted... it has always given me better results than qtparted
[02:13] <shadowr3d> what do you mean
[02:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> just copy the error message into google and search, best way to find answers
[02:14] <shadowr3d> oh yeah
[02:14] <seth> nagyv, make sure your disk is unmounted before attempting
[02:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> 99.9% chance you aren't the only one having problems and someone else has posted about it
[02:14] <nagyv> Telroth_Plushie|: thx
[02:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> 80% chance someone replied to him with how to fix it ;)
[02:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> *then
[02:15] <shadowr3d> does someone know any cool apps on kubuntu besides wine amarok and katapult?
[02:15] <balonio> its something  basic.... cant find stdio.h
[02:15] <serishema> if you are into programming try out sun studio
[02:15] <shadowr3d> whats that
[02:16] <serishema> it's the reason i'm switching it's better than visual studio
[02:16] <balonio> very frustrating
[02:16] <serishema> sun's C/C++ and java development tools
[02:17] <shadowr3d> any other kool apps get it k-ool because of kde always has k
[02:17] <balonio> how do you tell gcc where the libraries are? I thought that is what #include <"library"> is for... is syntax wrong?
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> balonio: Install the libc headers
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> libc6-dev
[02:18] <balonio> how do I tell if they are installed?
[02:18] <balonio> aren't they there by default?
[02:19] <balonio> I'm gonna check apt get right now......
[02:20] <shadowr3d> does someone know any cool apps on kubuntu besides wine amarok and katapult?
[02:20] <Strider> Anyone care to help out a complete linux newbie?
[02:21] <shadowr3d> sure
[02:21] <_bender_> Hmm...trying to setup the workgroup from my XP machines with Kubuntu, but when: Internet & Network /// Sharing /// it's got a big red outline around the greyed out features (even after entering in the admin password...)
[02:21] <Strider> I do I log into the admin account for I can have write access to some of the system files?
[02:21] <shadowr3d> ?
[02:22] <balonio> thanks shadowr3d, they wern't installed....
[02:22] <shadowr3d> what do you mean balonio
[02:22] <Strider> I'm trying to edit the etc/apt/sources.list file, but I don't have write access. I want to know how I can get write access for I can edit that file :).
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Strider: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:23] <Hawkwind> Strider: Replace kwrite with your favorite GUI editor of choice
[02:23] <Strider> Okay, thank you.
[02:23] <shadowr3d> balonio:what do you mean??????
[02:24] <serishema> I can't find anything on the net
[02:25] <serishema> looks like i have no option but to reinstall
[02:25] <balonio> Shadowr3d, that was it! thanks man...  Any ideas to resize the second partition to get the whole hdd?
[02:26] <shadowr3d> what do you mean balonio;
[02:27] <Karanga> is there a webpage that points you to the 'best' linux apps for certain apps? e.g. amarok highly recommended as a media player ?
[02:27] <balonio> Your solution, I didn't have the libraries installed... I just did and my program compiles
[02:28] <nagyv> Karanga: I have found such a page once, but don't remember. I think there was a windows equivalent too. Hope this will help to google!
[02:28] <balonio> It is such a basic program so I knew it was something simple
[02:28] <seth> Karanga, one second
[02:28] <shadowr3d> i wasnt the one who helped you balonio sorry
[02:28] <Karanga> I see the light at the end of the tunnel :o)
[02:28] <shadowr3d> i cant take credit for someone elses work
[02:29] <balonio> Sorry, man Helspawn, wron 733t name... lol!!!!!!!!
[02:29] <balonio> well shit, then TIA!
[02:30] <balonio> Did you get that Hellspawn?
[02:30] <balonio> I'm still laughing
[02:30] <shadowr3d> lol
[02:31] <balonio> The messages, captain, they are coming fast and furious...
[02:31] <seth> Karanga, http://www.in.redhat.com/AppComparisonList.php3 is one
[02:32] <Karanga> seth: thanks once again! do you come in a pocket booklet version :o)
[02:32] <seth> :P
[02:33] <Karanga> Do I need to uninstall Konqueror to stop it taking hold of every web link?
[02:35] <Karanga> seth: thanks for that link - just what I was looking for! alot is obvious but so many others I will have to try later.
[02:36] <plugs> does anyone know a good program for mounting .iso's?
[02:36] <seth> Karanga, SystemSettings > KDE Components > Web Browser
[02:36] <seth> Karanga, make sure you install Firefox via Adept, and not by downloading it manually
[02:38] <angasule> to download the sources of a package I should search for packagename-source , right?
[02:38] <angasule> !source
[02:38] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections.  I know I am in Kubntu but i thought the version were just for different user types and not distro's. Donning my flame suit as we speak hehe
[02:38] <angasule> !easysource
[02:38] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:39] <seth> Karanga, I run Kubuntu on both machines... edgy on my dev box and dapper on this one
[02:40] <seth> angasule, to get source you should run "apt-get source packagename"
[02:40] <angasule> seth: thanks :)
[02:40] <seth> angasule, you will need package dpkg-dev first :)
[02:41] <unclemike> ? how do i detect sound card
[02:41] <dero> can someone help me?
[02:42] <seth> dero, just ask... don't ask to ask ;)
[02:42] <dero> lol
[02:43] <dero> i'm trying to get wine to work with my cd rom drive
[02:43] <dero> the problem is there is no config file
[02:43] <Karanga> seth: just googled the difference - so there is nothing different under the skin just startx visuals ( although you seem to champion k*)
[02:43] <dero> so i can't add drives
[02:44] <Karanga> Anyone have screenshot site of Kubuntu and Ubuntu? (*goes red^* I thought K*ubuntu was used for education for some strange reason). I will be in the corner hiding!
[02:44] <seth> Karanga, the thing with Linux is that you run a "window manager" on top of linux itself
[02:44] <deeo> Karanga: edubuntu?
[02:45] <seth> Linux is WM-agnostic, unlike Windows, where the window manager *is* the OS
[02:45] <dero> BAHHHH !!!!! I WANT WINE TO WORK!
[02:45] <seth> Karanga, OSDir has the best screenshots
[02:45] <seth> dero, your best bet is winehq
[02:45] <dero> i been there for hours
[02:45] <seth> :(
[02:46] <deeo> dero, you don't need a config file.
[02:46] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok
[02:46] <dero> they say edit the config file when i isntalled wine with adept it didn't come with one
[02:46] <deeo> ln -s /dev/cdrom "~/.wine/dos_devices/c:"
[02:46] <deeo> that's the old method, and it still works
[02:46] <_bender__> brb
[02:47] <deeo> but now those devices are just referenced by symlink in that directory
[02:47] <Karanga> deeo: that would make a lot of sense but make me out to be a real retart lol - OK i give in i messed up! - I am slowly -- very slowly getting to grips with *ux. Thanks Seth and  deeo I get it a little more now
[02:47] <deeo> actually you probably want f: instead of c:
[02:47] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok
[02:47] <dero> ok i'm trying to run Red alert 2 when i open autorun it asks me for a cd also when i open set.exe
[02:47] <dero> setup*
[02:48] <dero> i think i give up and gona load windows again :(
[02:48] <deeo> good plan.
[02:49] <dero> deeo cleary you can help me, will you?
[02:49] <Karanga> What's the best primer exam to take in Ubuntu?
[02:49] <shadowr3d> try going to wine website and see what works under wine in the reviews
[02:49] <deeo> if you have win32, i suggest you use that.
[02:49] <dero> i'd much rather use this though
[02:50] <deeo> okay, then i'd suggest asking the wine pros in #winehq
[02:50] <shadowr3d> like i said look at the what works in red alert 2 ine the wine web
[02:50] <shadowr3d> yeah
[02:50] <shadowr3d> or try what i said
[02:50] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok
[02:51] <seth> ogg should play by default
[02:51] <dero> is there a gui for wine, with fadora the wine come with a gui and its easy just to add a cd rom drive can i download one somewhere?
[02:51] <unclemike> ? what command do i use to detect sound card
[02:51] <shadowr3d> what about aud?
[02:51] <Hawkwind> dero: Have you talked to the guys in #WineHQ ?
[02:51] <Hawkwind> dero: Those guys are truly the experts and could help you the best
[02:51] <plugs> shadowr3d have you tried sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:51] <shadowr3d> try #winehq
[02:51] <Hawkwind> unclemike: Look in systemsettings
[02:52] <dero> i don't want to wait days for a reply
[02:52] <shadowr3d> no i havent ill try
[02:52] <deeo> dero
[02:52] <Hawkwind> dero: Linux is about patience
[02:52] <deeo> would you ask in #microsoft about photoshop
[02:52] <Hawkwind> dero: Without, you won't get far
[02:52] <deeo> no, so please don't expect too much in #kubuntu about wine :)
[02:52] <Hawkwind> dero: Also, try looking at their website, winehq.org or .com whatever it is
[02:52] <dero> i have patience no one replyed when i aked on ubuntu forums to get my winmodem to work
[02:53] <Hawkwind> dero: Have you searched google, and other forums ?
[02:53] <dero> yes
[02:53] <Hawkwind> dero: There are tons of docs out there.  You just have to put forth the effort to read
[02:53] <dero> i searched for 2 hours and gave up so i came here now u's are sauing me to search more, bit harsh i think.
[02:53] <Hawkwind> !wine
[02:53] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:53] <Hawkwind> Read that page there
[02:53] <plugs> in windows i can mount an iso to a virtual drive, can this be done in linux?
[02:53] <shadowr3d> Reading package lists... Done
[02:53] <shadowr3d> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:53] <shadowr3d> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:53] <shadowr3d> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:53] <shadowr3d> is only available from another source
[02:53] <shadowr3d> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[02:53] <Hawkwind> dero: Linux is all about reading when you can't find someone that knows the answer
[02:53] <Hawkwind> !paste
[02:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:53] <shadowr3d> thats what it said
[02:53] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[02:54] <shadowr3d> sorry
[02:54] <deeo> plugs: easily.  sudo mount /path/to/isofile.iso /media/cdrom0 -o loop
[02:54] <dero> when i find a doc it says add bah  bah bah to config file when i got wine from adept it didn't come with a config file
[02:54] <shadowr3d> im sorry about that everyone
[02:54] <shadowr3d> please accept my apologies
[02:54] <deeo> plugs: does that help at all?
[02:54] <plugs> deeo about the /media/cdrom0 part
[02:54] <plugs> i already have something there i think
[02:54] <deeo> no problem
[02:55] <plugs> i'll just try it
[02:55] <deeo> that piece can be any directory you want to mount to
[02:55] <deeo> you can put it in your home directory if you prefer
[02:55] <plugs> i see
[02:55] <deeo> mkdir LoopbackDisc
[02:55] <deeo> for example
[02:55] <shadowr3d> plugs:thats what it said when i did sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:55] <dero> "<Hawkwind> dero: Linux is all about reading when you can't find someone that knows the answer" i tryed reading, deeo knowns the answer, he won't tell me.
[02:55] <plugs> shadowr3d i'm not sure what to do, sorry
[02:56] <shadowr3d> oh thatsok
[02:56] <eaglehawk> anybody... is socks support built-in in the kubuntu or we need to install any software
[02:56] <deeo> eaglehawk: socks is sort-of program-centric, but KDE has a unified socks proxy setup, yes.
[02:56] <Hawkwind> dero: Then that's why you really need to talk to the guys who make the program.  They can help you the best
[02:57] <dero> pffft
[02:57] <deeo> dero, pay me <3
[02:57] <dero> i would help you guys if you need help
[02:57] <dero> bye
[02:57] <deeo> i hate spending my time on a lazy person.
[02:57] <eaglehawk> but when i click test...is says socks not loaded
[02:58] <dero> how am i lazy i cleary avioding asking people by searching the net and u can help me but can't
[02:58] <deeo> eaglehawk: well socks is sorta touchy that way, let me take a look.
[02:58] <shadowr3d>  does anyone else know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok?
[02:58] <plugs> deeo it looks like it worked, but it looks like it's just two folders. how can i treat it as a real dvd drive?
[02:58] <deeo> dero: because i got that answer for you by googling it.
[02:58] <shadowr3d> o wait ill ask amarok no duh
[02:58] <deeo> dero: i really have no idea.
[02:58] <dero> what did you search
[02:58] <deeo> plugs: it is real, in what context do you need 'real'?
[02:59] <eaglehawk> sorry deeo didnot get you
[02:59] <deeo> dero: http://eliduc.berlios.de/index.php/StarCraft_Linux
[02:59] <dero> thank you
[02:59] <Hawkwind> dero: We gave you URL's to read and follow.  Why can you not follow them ?
[02:59] <plugs> deeo it's a movie i made an iso of so how could i treat it as a dvd?
[03:00] <Hawkwind> dero: If I used the app or knew about it, I'd tell you what to do. But I've never once used wine for anything
[03:00] <deeo> plugs: ah, you don't even really need to mount it in that case.
[03:00] <plugs> well i tried just clicking it but it opened in k3b and kaffeine didnt play it
[03:00] <deeo> a video DVD becomes VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS i believe, if you want to play it, just use your fave media player and hit 'play disc'
[03:01] <plugs> deeo, play disc then pick the iso?
[03:01] <deeo> Open DVD didn't play?
[03:01] <deeo> was there an error?
[03:01] <plugs> i dont know if i tried ._. i'll try right now
[03:01] <plugs> i added it to the playlist
[03:01] <deeo> well, a DVD has its own playlist internally
[03:01] <plugs> right that makes sense now
[03:02] <deeo> so, for SOCKS you need to have a socks library at least
[03:02] <plugs> i clicked open dvd and got "The source can't be read."
[03:02] <deeo> i suggest dante
[03:02] <eaglehawk> where to get it man
[03:02] <deeo> plugs: is this a commercial DVD?
[03:02] <deeo> eaglehawk: adept
[03:02] <plugs> yeah
[03:02] <dero> ok the link you just send me is about the config file the command winecfg kubuntu wine didn't come with this file, what did you search about the symlinks
[03:02] <deeo> plugs: in that case, it's probably encrypted
[03:03] <Hawkwind> dero: What config file is it wanting/needing ?
[03:03] <plugs> well i think it was just looking in /dev/dvd
[03:03] <deeo> and that isn't where the dvd device is?
[03:03] <Hawkwind> dero: First off...did you run the 'winecfg' command ?
[03:03] <dero> ./wine/config <-- should be there, its not. didn't coem with it, i can't add cd rom drive
[03:03] <Hawkwind> dero: It seems that that command is what creates the config file possibly
[03:03] <deeo> dero, that file is OLD and NOT USED ANYMORE
[03:04] <dero> ok
[03:04] <deeo> ln -s /dev/dvd ~/.wine/dos_devices/e:
[03:04] <deeo> do that
[03:04] <deeo> just that
[03:04] <deeo> try again
[03:04] <dero> ok
[03:04] <deeo> and please, stop nagging.
[03:04] <Hawkwind> deeo: Ahhhh, so you know about wine.  Good good :P
[03:04] <deeo> that's the answer, you have the wrong problem if it doesn't work.
[03:04] <deeo> Hawkwind: no, i just googled FOR that guy.
[03:04] <deeo> i'm reading it off a spanish wine page about starcraft
[03:05] <Hawkwind> deeo: Shoot me the URL you found please
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh
[03:05] <Hawkwind> I don't speak spanish, so nevermind
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:05] <deeo> me either.
[03:05] <deeo> i speak unix commands
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Hmmmm, surely winehq.org has the commands
[03:05] <Hawkwind> deeo: Unixnese :P
[03:05] <deeo> they're all over the place :/
[03:05] <deeo> eaglehawk: just search for 'dante'
[03:05] <_bender__> When using Adept does it remove all the dependencies that the program installed or does it leave those behind?
[03:05] <jarrster> i'm having problems playing mp3s
[03:05] <deeo> i've never used it before, so as far as setting that up goes, i can't help you.
[03:05] <jarrster> any help?
[03:06] <deeo> jarrster: you probably want akode
[03:06] <Hawkwind> !mp3
[03:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:06] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Have you read those pages there yet ?
[03:06] <Hawkwind> jarrster: By default, Kubuntu doesn't have mp3 playback support
[03:06] <jarrster> not yet
[03:06] <jarrster> thanks
[03:06] <Hawkwind> jarrster: So you have to install a few things, which the RestrictedFormats page describes
[03:07] <jarrster> alright cool, i should be able to figure that out
[03:07] <deeo> plugs, any luck?
[03:07] <jarrster> i also am having a problem with mounting my maxtor onetouch external
[03:09] <plugs> deeo i pm'ed you that i couldnt find package decss
[03:09] <deeo> plugs: ah, you need to have universe and/or multiverse repositories in your adept source
[03:10] <plugs> i'm pretty shure i do though
[03:10] <plugs> i have my sources.list right here and i just did apt-get update
[03:10] <deeo> hm, not sure then.
[03:10] <plugs> "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse"
[03:10] <deeo> maybe i have the name wrong
[03:10] <plugs> i think that might be it
[03:11] <deeo> libdvdread/libdvdcss.
[03:11] <angasule> why is automake 1.4 installed, and not a newer version? I tried to compile a KDE app and it says KDE requires automake 1.6 or higher
[03:11] <deeo> one of those, actually.
[03:12] <deeo> angasule: no reason, install automake1.9 if you'd like.
[03:12] <angasule> deeo: ok, thanks
[03:12] <plugs> deeo "libdvdcss2 is already the newest version."
[03:12] <plugs> X| lol
[03:12] <deeo> plugs: well thats good
[03:12] <plugs> hmmmm
[03:14] <jarrster> hey hawkwind, some of the files i need to download aren't available on the adept manager
[03:15] <deeo> jarrster: did you setup your repositories?
[03:15] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Have you setup all your repos like multiverse, universe ?
[03:15] <Hawkwind> !repos
[03:15] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:15] <jarrster> i will now, thanks guys
[03:16] <deeo> y'know i should probably be working.
[03:16] <deeo> cheerio all
[03:18] <plugs> deeo it's somewhat working
[03:18] <plugs> i got it playing in MPlayer
[03:18] <plugs> but it's freaking out a bit
[03:19] <deeo> cool, try xine then i suppose
[03:19] <eaglehawk> anybody how know how to make pen work on tabletpc
[03:19] <deeo> are you playing it with: mplayer dvd://
[03:20] <deeo> eaglehawk: i'd do it via the event interface, but i'm crazy like that.
[03:22] <plugs> i don't know what i'm doing
[03:22] <plugs> i'll try xine
[03:22] <_bender__> hmm kk will admit falling for Kubuntu
[03:22] <_bender__> The urban legends of hell and fire and all that were false :o
[03:23] <DaSkreech> _bender__: The KK<3K ?
[03:24] <_bender__> lol <3 for the K
[03:26] <eaglehawk> anybody how to access microsoft windows share in kubuntu
[03:26] <_bender__> I've been wondering that too
[03:26] <_bender__> Gaining access to the rest of the network would be good :p
[03:26] <Hawkwind> eaglehawk: You can use samba
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> smbmount
[03:26] <_bender__> Samba come with Kubuntu or?
[03:27] <Hawkwind> You can install it
[03:27] <_bender__> Ah kk, shoudl be easy enough
[03:27] <Hawkwind> !samba
[03:27] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:27] <eaglehawk> but do I need some configuration to make my share accessable to network
[03:27] <Hawkwind> Good how-to there
[03:27] <_bender__> Ah thx :D
[03:29] <DaSkreech> _bender__: Try typing smb:/ in konqueror
[03:29] <_bender__> hmm kk
[03:30] <deeo> it's such a bummer that Mono is part of Gnome...
[03:30] <_bender__> Ah didn't come up with anything
[03:30] <bioticpro> whats a good program to make animated gifs from mpg/avi clips?
[03:31] <deeo> ffmpeg, mplayer, sorta
[03:31] <deeo> see, first you split it into a bunch of Targas, or GIFs
[03:31] <Darius[TEA] > morning
[03:31] <deeo> then recombine them all into a gif using... *calls upon the powers of Captain Planet to remember, light shafts beaming from his fingertips*
[03:32] <deeo> damn, can't remember.  but there's a little project for doing just that, somewhere.  gifcombine or something.
[03:32] <deeo> g'mourning
[03:33] <omostr> good night
[03:33] <jarrster> what does it mean if under install i get a "break" message when using adept
[03:33] <jarrster> ??
[03:34] <tyler_d> my movies are all lagging?
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> deeo: Know of any distro's who don't include mono (on principle ?)
[03:36] <jarrster> hey hawkwind, i keep getting a "break" message when I try to download some of the files
[03:36] <_bender__> Looking at the Samba download site and not see'ing Ubuntu listed..this mean am gonna have to use source or is there another "package" type that Ubuntu can open?
[03:37] <bioticpro> deeo: thx
[03:38] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Can you put into http://pastebin.ulteo.us your error messages ?
[03:38] <InteliWasp> can someone help my figure out why i can't use the GUI?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> InteliWasp: You need a mouse
[03:38] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: What do you mean by GUI....GUI of what exactly ?
[03:38] <InteliWasp> ... let me rephrase that....
[03:39] <InteliWasp> i just updated some pakages in adept, and after rebooting my monitor sudenly turnes off...
[03:40] <InteliWasp> *during the boot proccess
[03:40] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: What all got upgraded, and are you using any compiz/xgl stuff ?
[03:40] <nick_> what program is the most popular for configuring and maintaining wireless profiles?
[03:40] <jarrster> what language is the code?
[03:41] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Select none as it's plain text
[03:41] <Hawkwind> nick_: kwifimanager ?
[03:41] <marte> hello, can i talk with any hacker here?
[03:41] <nick_> well i just installed that, but i also installed wifi-radar
[03:42] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: i'm not shure what i updated since there were 140 some odd pakages that were updated (ie: i walked away...) but this is all stock
[03:42] <Hawkwind> marte: What do you mean by 'hacker'
[03:42] <DaSkreech> marte: Sure just abbable away
[03:42] <nick_> and i was wondering which worked the best...there are so many programs
[03:42] <DaSkreech> babble even
[03:42] <Hawkwind> nick_: I can't answer that since I don't use wireless.  But I'd suggest trying them all and see what you like best
[03:42] <nick_> Hawkwind: ok thanks
[03:43] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: Hmmm, maybe you got a bad xorg update ?
[03:43] <angasule> hmm, automake points to automake-1.4, is it safe to make it point to automake-1.9? as I don't see how to tell kdevelop to use automake-1.9 directly
[03:43] <Hawkwind> angasule: You could remove automake-1.4 if you wanted to
[03:43] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: i wonder if the video card is putting out a signal that is too high for the crapy monitor i have...
[03:44] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: Did you change monitors ?
[03:44] <InteliWasp> nope
[03:44] <angasule> thanks, Hawkwind, will do
[03:45] <Darius[TEA] > so, I'm trying to port some code to linux and I have kubuntu installed in vmware..
[03:45] <marte> sorry
[03:45] <Darius[TEA] > can anyone suggest why the #include's mention in various man pages don't appear to be correct?
[03:47] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: is there a way to redetect the hardware and rewrite the configs?
[03:47] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: You could run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:48] <nagyv> how can I delete ALL the files from a disk? (somthing like format c)
[03:48] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: if i run that as root, will it effect the user's configs as well?
[03:49] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: That will reset your xorg.conf file for you
[03:49] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any experence with wireless and ipw2200 ?
[03:49] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: how do i send irissi to the background...
[03:50] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: nevermind... i'll just leave and come back
[03:51] <deeo> Darius[TEA] : such as which?
[03:51] <soulrider> hey everyone =)
[03:53] <osiris> how do i enable playback for realplayer in firefox with kubuntu
[03:59] <shadowhywind> any body have any tips for ipw2200 wireless driver?
[04:02] <Hawkwind> shadowhywind: Not I since I don't use wireless in Kubuntu
[04:02] <Hawkwind> !ipw2200
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipw2200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <Hawkwind> !wireless
[04:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:03] <shadowhywind> thanks
[04:03] <shadowhywind> heres another question, how about the broadcom bcwm4311 driver and ndiswrapper?
[04:04] <shadowhywind> i had it working yesterday, reinstalled kubuntu used the same drivers and now it don't work
[04:05] <deeo> is your wifi light on?
[04:06] <deeo> (laptop?)
[04:06] <shadowhywind> yes laptop, ndiswrapper is givving off erros
[04:06] <deeo> which errors
[04:07] <shadowhywind> should i spam paste them here?
[04:07] <deeo> !paste
[04:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:08] <shadowhywind> k the link is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22974
[04:09] <deeo> but you installed a driver for it?
[04:09] <shadowhywind> yes, ndiswrapper shows the driver and hardware present
[04:09] <deeo> well, make sure your wifi button is on, if you have one.
[04:10] <shadowhywind> it is on
[04:10] <deeo> i'd also lookup specific model details on that laptop, pertaining to wifi
[04:10] <shadowhywind> well thats the thing, there isn't much info *kind of a new laptop* but i don't understand why the driver wouldn't work seinse it worked in a previous install
[04:11] <jaytee> wow! this chat room is pretty full
[04:12] <DaSkreech> jaytee: Ssshhhhh You'll wake them
[04:12] <Jucato> lol
[04:12] <Jucato> I'm one of those who was awakened :)
[04:13] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Good morning!
[04:13] <Jucato> good um...
[04:13] <Jucato> yep morning :)
[04:13] <junkphreak> some one having wifi issues ?
[04:13] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:14] <junkphreak> sorry i was eating
[04:14] <shadowhywind> yes i am
[04:14] <junkphreak> lol
[04:14] <shadowhywind> hehe
[04:15] <junkphreak> so what kind of laptop ?
[04:15] <shadowhywind> a) hp dv6040 and b) a dell 6000
[04:16] <shadowhywind> hp ) driver don't work in reinstall dell can't get ipw2200 to work, hehe
[04:16] <junkphreak> whats your wireless card ?
[04:16] <junkphreak> broadcom 4311 ?
[04:16] <shadowhywind> yup
[04:16] <shadowhywind> i downloaded the driver from the dell package
[04:16] <junkphreak> ok hav you used the fwcutter
[04:17] <shadowhywind> i am useing ndiswrapper
[04:17] <junkphreak> right
[04:17] <shadowhywind> so no i ahven't used fwcutter
[04:17] <junkphreak> let me find the info might have to pop on my work laptop
[04:18] <junkphreak> found some good help sites got me going
[04:19] <shadowhywind> oh?
[04:19] <junkphreak> will need to email them to my self and will pm you
[04:20] <junkphreak> also if i had timr need to make a howto and my script for init.d and rc.d to work on boot
[04:21] <junkphreak> got tired of opening the kwifimanager and hitting connect
[04:22] <shadowhywind> see what i allways did was had a shell wpa line to get mine workin
[04:22] <junkphreak> so you using wpa ?
[04:22] <shadowhywind> yah
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !KPlayer
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KPlayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !K Player
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about K Player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <shadowhywind> i had everything working, but then i reinstalled and now can't get anything working
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Hmmmmm
[04:23] <Jucato> !kmplayer > CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Jucato:  that the same thing as KPlayer?
[04:24] <Jucato> I think so, not exactly sure though. but that's the only "K"+"player" that we have in the repositories, AFAIK
[04:24] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Hmmm  ok
[04:24] <junkphreak> whats your email address
[04:24] <junkphreak> shadowwhywind
[04:25] <shadowhywind> not going to sell it for spam are you *snickers*
[04:25] <junkphreak> lol
[04:25] <junkphreak> no pm me
[04:26] <shadowhywind> *don't know how to do that in konversation
[04:26] <Jucato> shadowhywind: just click on his name, and if you're nick is registered, you'll be able to send a PM
[04:27] <shadowhywind> that worked.. hehe
[04:27] <shadowhywind> did you get that message junkphreak?
[04:27] <RawSewage> where are fonts located
[04:27] <shadowhywind> .font in your home dir
[04:27] <RawSewage> ty
[04:27] <Jucato> RawSewage: try typing in "fonts:/" in Konqueror
[04:28] <Jucato> but that's just a kio slave. but very useful for drag and drop...
[04:28] <junkphreak> npe
[04:28] <shadowhywind> try to send me a pm and see if that works
[04:30] <shadowhywind> you know, i don't really care that much, use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:30] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !WMV
[04:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:30] <junkphreak> shadowwhywind http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22975
[04:31] <junkphreak> lol now :p
[04:31] <junkphreak> ok ?
[04:32] <RawSewage> Ok, I have an anime video file, that has English and Japanese audio tracks.  What would I use to set the default audio to Japanese
[04:32] <junkphreak> ok brb
[04:35] <shadowhywind> ok looks like the first link does the bcm43xx driver *which doesn't work* so going to look at second link
[04:40] <junkphreak> i had to blacklist my kernel driver
[04:41] <shadowhywind> i wonder if thats what is causeing all my problems
[04:41] <junkphreak> # get rid of the default kernel drivers
[04:41] <shadowhywind> i ahven't done that
[04:41] <junkphreak> blacklist bcm43xx
[04:41] <shadowhywind> but at the same time its not loaded
[04:42] <junkphreak> #/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:43] <deeo> ah right.
[04:43] <deeo> forgot about that issue
[04:43] <junkphreak> :}
[04:43] <deeo> 0000:03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[04:43] <_bender__> What kernel is Ubuntu related to (package wise...)
[04:43] <shadowhywind> thank you junkphreak, i am going to reboot and see what happens
[04:43] <junkphreak> i made a simple script too to help with boot up to getonline
[04:43] <junkphreak> if you want it
[04:44] <Jucato> _bender__: Dapper has 2.6.15, Edgy has 2.6.17. Is that what you mean?
[04:44] <Hawkwind> _bender__: Dapper comes with 2.6.15-23 if that's what you are asking
[04:44] <shadowhywind> let me see if this helps, and i will see first ok?
[04:44] <shadowhywind> i shall be back
[04:44] <junkphreak> ok
[04:44] <_bender__> I'm not even sure what Dapper is yet...
[04:45] <Hawkwind> _bender__: Dapper is Kubuntu 6.06 which was released on June 1st, 2006
[04:45] <Hawkwind> _bender__: It's the latest stable version of the OS
[04:45] <junkphreak> love this #update-rc.d to incert the script for my wifi :}
[04:45] <_bender__> Ah kk, that's the one I downloaded I believe, but kk if it comes with it even better (saves me time from installing it)
[04:47] <_bender__> On a completly unrelated topic...gottay say this room=god send for using Kubuntu this time...with Slax all I had was Google
[04:47] <Jucato> Dapper Drake is the codename for Kubuntu 6.06 (and 6.06.1) LTS (Long Term Support)
[04:48] <_bender__> Ah that's what the LTS means
[04:48] <Jucato> _bender__: there are also other resources you could use like the forums, or the mailing lists. be sure to check out the wiki and online docs as they provide invaluable information :)
[04:49] <pterandon> hello.
[04:49] <pterandon> I need to know how to make a symbolic link
[04:49] <_bender__> Yah, got both up as we speak too lol, but reallyyy like real time answers :)
[04:49] <junkphreak> ln -s
[04:49] <junkphreak> what you ned to link ?
[04:50] <pterandon> http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55830#55830
[04:50] <Jucato> oooo blendah! :)
[04:50] <Hawkwind> pterandon: ln -s /old/path /new/path
[04:50] <pterandon> Look at "Linny's" advice.    To make blender work on kubuntu, you gott a do that.
[04:51] <shadowhywind> so guess what that didn't work
[04:51] <pterandon> no, I just didn't know to do that.
[04:51] <junkphreak> lol hawkwind your to fast
[04:51] <junkphreak> i was reading darnit
[04:51] <Jucato> pterandon: so you're experiencing this kind of problem, using ATI?
[04:52] <Hawkwind> junkphreak: No need to read, I'm experienced :P
[04:52] <pterandon> Well, I get crashes like they describe.  But I'm too dense even to figure out what directories they ln -s'ed.
[04:52] <junkphreak> no i was reading the link :p
[04:52] <Jucato> pterandon: but you are using ATI? (since the "fix" seems to apply only to ATI)
[04:52] <junkphreak> he posted
[04:52] <shadowhywind> so any other ideas junkphreak
[04:53] <Jucato> actually it's more than just making a symlink, but actually correcting a broken link...
[04:53] <junkphreak> well whats all been done
[04:54] <pterandon> sorry, can someone keystroke it out for me?
[04:54] <Hawkwind> pterandon: What kind of video card do you have ?
[04:54] <pterandon> umm, dunno.
[04:54] <Jucato> pterandon: err... that's gonna be a problem...
[04:55] <Jucato> coz Linny's "fix" is meant for ATI video card users
[04:55] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Do you have Nvidia, ATI or onboard ?
[04:55] <pterandon> I wouldda guessed nvidia. is there a quick way to check?
[04:56] <Jucato> AFAIK, Nvidia doesn't have a /usr/lib/nvidia/lib directory, everything stops at /usr/lib/nvidia...
[04:56] <junkphreak> dmesg
[04:56] <junkphreak> in term
[04:56] <Jucato> er.. wouldn't lspci work as well?
[04:56] <junkphreak> yea
[04:57] <Hawkwind> lspci | grep video
[04:57] <pterandon>  nVidia Corporation NV18
[04:57] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Then you don't need that how-to.  It won't help you
[04:58] <pterandon> wah :(  thanks anway
[04:58] <pterandon> the problem is that when I go to a graphics-intensive operation in blender, hitting "P" in object mode, it crashes.
[04:58] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Do you have your drivers installed for nvidia ?
[04:59] <pterandon> um, a way to check?
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > pterandon: could be dud memory and/or CPU
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > or power supply
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > or motherboard :)
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > memtest86+ is a good place to start
[04:59] <Hawkwind> pterandon: glxinfo | grep render
[04:59] <pterandon> Two boxes,  both a kubuntu and an xubuntu,  but NOT the knoppix box :P
[04:59] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Look for Yes or No  and do *not* paste all the output here
[05:00] <pterandon> Error: unable to open display (null)
[05:00] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Then chances are you don't have them installed
[05:00] <pterandon> ah!
[05:00] <Hawkwind> !nvidia > pterandon
[05:00] <Hawkwind> IIRC you need the video drivers for blender or it just won't work
[05:00] <Jucato> you need hardware 3d acceleration for blender...
[05:01] <Hawkwind> That's what I thought
[05:01] <Jucato> :)
[05:08] <[Relic] > anyone awake?
[05:08] <junkphreak> boo!
[05:08] <Jucato> (-_-) zzZZzzzzz
[05:09] <[Relic] > how does one replace a base system package w/o getting everything else unistalled to update it to something slightly more up to date aka  ->  v0.9.7  to 1.6.7
[05:10] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> [Relic] :  have ya tried apt-get update?
[05:10] <shadowhywind> so junkphreak - any other ideaas to get this working?
[05:11] <junkphreak> well just read he links is how i got it working did you blacklist your kernel driver ?
[05:11] <shadowhywind> yah did that and restarted
[05:11] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> [Relic] :   ??
[05:12] <[Relic] > adpet says there isn't an upgrade available
[05:12] <[Relic] > adept  :)
[05:12] <Hawkwind> [Relic] : What app are you talking about ?
[05:12] <junkphreak> Hmmm sorry  dunno just read the links sorry
[05:13] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> [Relic] :  no, not adept..  in console
[05:13] <shadowhywind> and you don
[05:13] <shadowhywind> don't have any experence with the ipw2200?
[05:13] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> open terminal and type apt-get update
[05:13] <carlo_> hello
[05:13] <junkphreak> nope just the broadcom 4318 , 11
[05:14] <Jucato> CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi: that would only work if there's an update of that package available in the repositories and if he has the proper repos enabled
[05:14] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Jucato: just tryin to walk him through it.. see what he's onde..
[05:14] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> gotta start somewhere
[05:14] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> *done
[05:14] <Jucato> :)
[05:15] <Jucato> we can probably start by asking him what app/package he's talking about first, right? :)
[05:15] <[Relic] > spews a bunch of text but doesn't seem to do anything else
[05:15] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> lol
[05:15] <[Relic] > hplip
[05:15] <Hawkwind> [Relic] : What app are you talking about ?
[05:15] <Hawkwind> !info hplip edgy
[05:15] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.11-2ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 2216 kB
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Heh, only 0.9.11 in Edgy.  So you will probably have to build it yourself
[05:16] <sophie_>  /quit
[05:16] <junkphreak> aww dont quit :}
[05:16] <[Relic] > figured that much but will there be problems installing it?
[05:17] <Hawkwind> [Relic] : That is something you can't really answer.  If it's built right, then no
[05:17] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> im out guys..  TTYL
[05:17] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> o/
[05:17] <[Relic] > I can't remove the current one before hand
[05:21] <_bender__> Umm...when I enter root password to get file sharing going (yes gotten that far lol) it just highlights the entire box in red yet doesn't let me adjust settings...grrr...
[05:23] <wry> ay kidz
[05:24] <_bender__> sup sup :p
[05:24] <wry> woss d' haps as they say
[05:24] <_bender__> Resolving networking issues :p but other than that all is well
[05:24] <_bender__> lol
[05:24] <wry> nice one bender
[05:25] <wry> Just installed Kubuntu.... waitin for easyubuntu to do it's thing
[05:25] <_bender__> hmmm what's Easyubuntu?
[05:26] <_bender__> Ah nm
[05:26] <DaSkreech> _bender__: have you installed samba server?
[05:26] <_bender__> *yay for google*
[05:26] <_bender__> Samba itself is installed (atleast according to Adept)
[05:26] <shadowhywind> irewater
[05:26] <_bender__> Is the server component a separate install?
[05:27] <wry> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[05:27] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[05:27] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[05:27] <_bender__> Once done figuring out my netowrking might take a look at that
[05:27] <DaSkreech> _bender__: What are you trying to do?
[05:28] <_bender__> I'm trying to connect this Kubuntu desktop to a Windows workgroup (already setup and working)
[05:28] <wry> nice one ubotu... I was just gunna lrt the page speak for it's self.
[05:28] <wry> Brains not warm enough yet
[05:29] <Jucato> :)
[05:30] <argonauta> kubuntu is great
[05:30] <junkphreak> sure is :}
[05:30] <_bender__> Just reading over the Ubuntu guide on configuring Samba at moment, thinking might have to go through the console to do it if the GUI is gonna be messed like this
[05:30] <Jucato> of course! :)
[05:30] <_bender__> and ohhh I agree Argo ;)
[05:31] <wry> I just switched from ubuntu... for two reasons
[05:31] <_bender__> ?
[05:31] <wry> 1. I like the K environment better
[05:32] <IceKnight> . Yourself?
[05:32] <frixhias> hello
[05:32] <wry> and 2. I was having problems with my system laggin like a mo fo as they say
[05:32] <_bender__> Ah, what kinda system Wry?
[05:32] <_bender__> And am using Kubuntu because found it a bit redundant running 2x Windows machines side by side (and becuase wanted to try Linux)
[05:33] <wry> I was hoping that it may have been because i was mostly running K apps, and therefore would be solved by switching to K
[05:33] <frixhias> anybody have use the linux->ntfs?
[05:33] <wry> Would that be a fair assumption?
[05:33] <_bender__> Would assume it is
[05:33] <_bender__> lol
[05:34] <_bender__> I think a secondary reason is because the community :P
[05:34] <wry> bender---> AMD XP+
[05:34] <_bender__> Hmmm AMD XP shoudl be enough usually...
[05:34] <_bender__> A64 ---> over there, but P3 700 MHz on this machine
[05:34] <_bender__> 733*
[05:35] <SpAwN> hell all i was told to try and install lm-sensors to help solve my prob....but i dont think that my computer has what is needed(its a year old dell) i installed lm-sensors and ran the detect command and i got this : No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them . but there is no mkdev.sh on my system
[05:35] <SpAwN> *hello
[05:35] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: What are you trying to do exactly ?
[05:35] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, recomended me installing
[05:35] <SpAwN> so im trying to
[05:35] <wry> bender--->yeah i's not too shaby a system XP+ 1800 w 512 RAM
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> SpAwN,  load the i2c modules I think
[05:35] <SpAwN> my computer has been locking up at night
[05:35] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: What are you trying to do ?
[05:36] <_bender__> Ohh not bad, more than enough for linux
[05:36] <SpAwN> fix my comuter....somthing is broken on it
[05:36] <frixhias> nobody?
[05:36] <wry> it was workin fine to start with... but just spacked it at one stage
[05:36] <frixhias> :S
[05:36] <_bender__> Not sure what Linux>NTFS is :p
[05:36] <SpAwN> causing random lock ups
[05:36] <_bender__> sorry
[05:36] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Can you be a bit more indepth please
[05:36] <_bender__> Less you mean Linux on NTFS...
[05:36] <SpAwN> Dr_Willis, k i iwll try that thanks
[05:36] <frixhias> ahp sorry i forgot the link
[05:36] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Why do you need lm-sensors ?
[05:37] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, i will awake to my computer compleatly frozen....nno mouse no screen no keyboard works
[05:37] <notech> tested the ram?
[05:37] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, to keep an eye on temp and other things to see if i might have bad hardware
[05:37] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Why not just run gkrellm
[05:37] <SpAwN> notech, yea about a month or so ago ...b4 i reinstalled windows and installed ubuntu
[05:37] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: gkrellm doesn't need lm-sensors anymore starting with the 2.6 kernel
[05:38] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, oh damn realy?
[05:38] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, and it will tell me the same info?
[05:38] <wry> notech--> who, me?
[05:38] <notech> SpAwN: any errors during that test? how long did you let it run?
[05:38] <_bender__> brb washroom break (lest I pass out and die from abdominal issues)
[05:38] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Absolutely
[05:38] <notech> Hawkwind: i still had to use lm-sensors with 2.6
[05:38] <SpAwN> notech, well i started it then went out for a few hours.....so probly a good 4 hours
[05:38] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Look at my screenshots.  They all have gkrellm showing fan speeds and temps
[05:39] <frixhias> here: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[05:39] <Hawkwind> notech: You shouldn't.  It's not required anymore on any distro that I know of
[05:39] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, do u need any kinda special sensor or anything?
[05:39] <notech> SpAwN: i'd run it longer, but any errors in 4 hours?
[05:39] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Yeah.  Your system has to have temp sensors on whatever it is you want to see the temp of.  If it doesn't, lm-sensors won't help you either
[05:40] <SpAwN> notech, no.....none....i bought 2 gigs of ram about 8 months ago
[05:40] <notech> SpAwN: if your bios has the temp screen then it should work
[05:40] <[Relic] > yay!  I can print and scan now if I can remember to set up prper directories when rendering something for 6 hours so it doesn't get deleted I will be ok  :)
[05:40] <SpAwN> lm-sensors didnt detect anything
[05:41] <SpAwN> hmmm the nvida tols thing detect how hot my vidcard is...but i think its cuz i have a nice nvidia card....i use a dell...so not to sure if i will be able to use them :/
[05:41] <SpAwN> *tools
[05:41] <notech> wry: no, didn't see a question from you :)
[05:42] <notech> SpAwN: check your bios and see what it offers for temps, fan speeds, etc
[05:43] <SpAwN> ahh yea i will after i finish this....its be cool if i did have it
[05:45] <SpAwN> brb
[05:46] <wry> OK this is wierd.. I'm using all my RAM, and I'm only running this Konqueror and System load!!!
[05:46] <frixhias> something strange happend to my kubuntu I install gdesklet (superkaramba don't works well), and this thing install gnome? wtf? :S is that right?
[05:46] <wry> oops almost all not all... 480 of 512... but still lots
[05:47] <Hawkwind> wry: That's a good thing
[05:48] <Hawkwind> wry: Linux handles RAM totally opposite of how Windows does.  So the more you're using means the more things are cached, which means things will open and run faster
[05:48] <wry> Hawkind---> yeah?
[05:48] <Hawkwind> wry: The system can and will cache things the entire time your system is booted until it needs to free some to run something new
[05:48] <wry> Oh... nice one
[05:49] <Hawkwind> wry: Linux is smart like that :P
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> and people have a hard time understanding that. :P
[05:49] <wry> cheers... yeah I knew it was clever, but not that way
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: That they do.
[05:50] <wry> no wuckas... all I need to remeber is that the more RAM free the worse, yeah?
[05:51] <InteliWasp> what do i need to do to make my broadcom wireless card to work?
[05:53] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[05:53] <junkphreak> :}
[05:53] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: Take a look at that
[05:54] <junkphreak> also here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22975
[05:54] <BonBonTheJon> anyone have any experince with RAID and ubuntu
[05:54] <SpAwN> nope dont have any kinda fan info or temp or anything in my bios :/
[05:55] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: No soup for you
[05:55] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Have you even tried gkrellm ?
[05:55] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, trying it now
[05:56] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, it detected my vid cards temp..but thats it
[05:57] <wd> help......http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22978   "lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock"  ?
[06:01] <wry> cheers guys take it easy yeah?
[06:01] <junkphreak> you have 2 terms going ?  WD
[06:01] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: thanks
[06:02] <wd> no
[06:02] <wd> junkphreak: no
[06:03] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: No problem
[06:03] <junkphreak> you using synaptic ?
[06:03] <InteliWasp> junkphreak,  that kinda reminds me of the adept lock...
[06:03] <junkphreak> yea
[06:04] <wd> junkphreak: oh i had adept open but not using it. then i had term... i guess ur right..... sorry.
[06:04] <junkphreak> :}
[06:05] <wd> wd@matrix:~$ sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[06:05] <wd> E: Invalid operation dist
[06:06] <wd> junkphreak: ^^^
[06:06] <junkphreak> dist-upgrade
[06:06] <junkphreak> -
[06:06] <wd> junkphreak: thnks.
[06:07] <junkphreak> np
[06:10] <frixhias> I can't hear videos in youtube.com i can see but not listen, anybody knows why?
[06:13] <Hawkwind> frixhias: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1087994
[06:13] <Hawkwind> frixhias: Seems to be a fix for it there
[06:13] <frixhias> ok, thanks il will :D
[06:17] <inteliwasp_> yay now my ex-trubblesome computer werks with linux
[06:17] <nick_> when i try to launch an app, the icon appears then disappears and nothing pops up...any help why that happens
[06:18] <inteliwasp_> now all i need it to figure out how to automaticly connect to specified networks...
[06:19] <frixhias> RuntimeError: could not open display
[06:20] <nick_> anyone have an answer to mine?
[06:20] <frixhias> with easyubuntu i use automatix this not install the same?
[06:20] <SpAwN> lastnight the last entry in my syslog is "Sep  8 10:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[24913] : (root) CMD (   run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" then the nest entry is me restarting my computer like 5 hours later i dont have any cronjobs set up....is ther cronjobs that are auto set up to run...that might cause the ssytem lockup?
[06:21] <SpAwN> crontab -l as the user shows nothing...
[06:22] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Again, that's perfectly normal
[06:22] <InteliWasp> WTF???!?!!!?!?! i think i found a glich in my box...
[06:22] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: cron has things setup to run automatically by the system hourly and daily
[06:22] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, yea i figured but hey....id rather ask then over look it
[06:29] <nick_> how do you run an application in konsole?
[06:29] <Kr4t05> nick_: <commandname>
[06:30] <Kr4t05> nick_: If you have the program installed to /usr/bin/, /bin/, etc, you can use the commandname. If it's a script or such sh <filename> may work.
[06:34] <nick_> kr4t05: thanks
[06:35] <nick_> kr4t05: i have an app installed but when i click it, nothing happens...so i just ran it in Konsole and it opened but it doesn't respond
[06:35] <nick_> kr4t05: i just installed it...
[06:36] <frixhias> I can't :S the easyubuntu show me an error, and the flash plugin didn't work too,
[06:58] <Snake> Does anyone know the factoid call for the latest KDE off hand?
[07:00] <Snake> !ping
[07:00] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[07:01] <Snake> !fish
[07:01] <jake1> anyone here use xmms?
[07:01] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.0-1 (dapper), package size 355 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[07:01] <Snake> ...omf
[07:01] <Snake> !fishing
[07:01] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[07:01] <Snake> Go die ubotu
[07:02] <mariano_> I'm trying to add a printer (parallel) with kde print wizard, but parallel port option is disabled. Help.
[07:02] <mariano_> (in windows printer is ok)
[07:03] <SpAwN> this might be a stupid question...but...has anyone installed xfce on kubuntu....i have it installed but it seems to be broken....cuz its defianlty not working right
[07:04] <halfbloodprince> hey, people
[07:05] <lnxkde> someone using edgy and kde4?
[07:05] <lnxkde> how do I start KDE4?
[07:05] <Jobberwacky> the trash service on the desktop doesn't work for me in xfce, haven't checked if that's a known bug
[07:05] <Snake> !edgy
[07:05] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:05] <Snake> ARGH
[07:05] <Snake> this bot is fsckin retarded
[07:05] <mariano_> lnxkde: KDE4 is only for developers and unstable
[07:05] <halfbloodprince> I just found out that I can't make the move from Windows to Kubuntu :((
[07:06] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  whys that?
[07:06] <lnxkde> mariano_:  I know.
[07:06] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Well, all my work requires me to work using Windows-based applications, so it seems to be pointless to move to Kubuntu, but I really want to1
[07:07] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  dual boot it ?
[07:07] <lnxkde> I am just tring to get it to load. no kdm entry
[07:07] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Yes, I thought of that.. but then I'd be using Windows, mostly, wouldn't I?
[07:07] <mariano_> lnxkde: ok, try this: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[07:07] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  well in my case, I do webdeving, and dreamweaver/photoshop isnt nix compt. but I find myself using windows only when I need those
[07:08] <lnxkde> mariano_:  just did it ;)
[07:08] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm a webdev too.. and I use Photoshop/notepad++ for my work.. occasionally use Illustrator
[07:08] <Snake> notepad++, I wanted to check into that
[07:09] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  if you code raw, I think youll really enjoy kate
[07:09] <Snake> I <3 that app
[07:09] <halfbloodprince> Snake: But doesn't work take up most of your time? What do you use Ubuntu for exactly?
[07:09] <mariano_> lnxkde: don't know then...but there is nothing new to see right now in kde 4...
[07:09] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I use ubuntu for everything aside from gaming and when im coding something in dreamweaver
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> Snake: such as?
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> Btw, does Google Talk work in Ubuntu?
[07:10] <Snake> Just anything, general websurfing, IRC, etc etc
[07:10] <NDPTAL85> Snake: Why can't you use Dreamweaver via WINE?
[07:10] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  it works with kopete for sure
[07:10] <mariano_> Snake; coding in dreamweaver? Dreamweaver sucks for coding
[07:10] <Snake> mariano_,  how do you figure!?
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> What's kopete
[07:11] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  their multiprototol IM client for KDE
[07:11] <mariano_> Snake: I mean the editor, is really nasty
[07:11] <halfbloodprince> Snake: okay.. and I've been wondering what significant benefits Kubuntu may have over Ubuntu?
[07:11] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: KDE :)
[07:12] <Snake> mariano_,  what do you mean exactly? If your using the WYSIWYG it generates sloppy code, but if you use it as a raw text coding program, its up to you to keep your code clean, and I do a fine job with and
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> mariano_ : Yeah, I get the KDE part, but how exactly is KDE better.. apart from the looks factor
[07:12] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  well you can make the taskbar seperate from the kmenu for one
[07:12] <Snake> :-P
[07:12] <Snake> cant say the same for windows without extensive hacking
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> mariano_: Are there better apps for KDE?
[07:12] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  just grab a desktop CD and test it out
[07:13] <Snake> you can play with kubuntu without installing it, I suggest you check out amarok media player, and kopete messaging
[07:13] <mariano_> Snake: try coding with kate, quanta...i mean WRITE the code, you'll note the difference. (not talking about WYSIWYG)
[07:13] <Snake> mariano_,  I know, I love coding in kate as well, quanta annoys me
[07:14] <Snake> mariano_,  but I like that I dont have to actually type most code in DW, it has that awesome drop down thing, I just tab, enter, done
[07:14] <halfbloodprince> my main complaint with linux is the rendering of truetype fonts
[07:14] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: GNOME is meant to be so simple, that is...uncomfortable
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> they don't look as good as they might on windows / osx ... or maybe that was just me
[07:15] <Snake> quanta has that as well, but if youve ever tried to make a table with multiple rows/colums in it, you see its signifigantly flawed and assuemes to much
[07:15] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I think your beating a dead horse :-P
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> i had tried out SuSE linux before.. and fonts like verdana looked like someone had squeezed them from the side
[07:15] <Snake> most fonts look better in kubuntu for me than windows
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> Snake: what do you mean?
[07:15] <Snake> especially on my lappy
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Even truetype fonts?
[07:15] <mariano_> Snake: yes, with quanta you have to master html :)
[07:16] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  that use to be a huge "annoyance" for most people ;-) some people carry it over just for the sake of argument
[07:16] <halfbloodprince> Are you using Kubuntu right now?
[07:16] <Snake> Mines re-installing
[07:16] <tyler_d> radeon 9600, cannot get my fps over 150?? dual screen enabled, 6.06, drivers are new...???
[07:16] <halfbloodprince> Snake: what do you mean by "used to be"
[07:16] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  As in most of the issues from what ive seen have been solved, but almost all fonts used to look like crap
[07:16] <Snake> and made people go :'(
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> Snake: how long ago are you talking about
[07:17] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  6 months - a year ;)
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Yea, I installed SuSE more than 6 months ago
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> it was horrible
[07:17] <Snake> Hehe
[07:17] <Snake> I havnt used suse for a while
[07:18] <Snake> I dont have 5 cds to burn
[07:18] <tyler_d> anyone know how to change the overlay from card controlled to interface?
[07:18] <halfbloodprince> I'm hoping Kubuntu is better
[07:18] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  the only thing that nags me with kubuntu is that whatever they did with KDE makes it seem slower than kanotix/SuSEs
[07:18] <Snake> I dont know what it is
[07:18] <mariano_> Suse is nice, but yast is *very* slow
[07:18] <Snake> mariano_,  +1
[07:18] <Snake> but a godly app none the less
[07:18] <halfbloodprince> Snake: are you saying Kubunti is slow?
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> Kubuntu*
[07:19] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I'm not saying its slow, but (atleast on my P3 is where I notice it) there is a considerable speed diffrence between SuSE and Kubuntu
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I have a P4 1.7 ghz, 512 MB RAM
[07:20] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  shouldnt notice to much
[07:20] <Snake> on my work PC I dont see a diffrence
[07:20] <Ash-Fox> I love how I managed to royally screw up kdm by installing ubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <Snake> (P4 3.6Ghz 1 GB Ram)
[07:20] <mariano_> Snake: There are serveral guides to optimize *buntu startup..., and how to compile your own kernel...Both things boosts *buntu!
[07:20] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Also, will it detect my scanner, and are there any tools I can use to scan stuff
[07:20] <Ash-Fox> (Which I've now removed)
[07:20] <halfbloodprince> I have a Canon scanner
[07:21] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  yulp, comes with scanning software (At least ubuntu did, give me 10 seconds and ill confirm for kubuntu) I cant tell if it will auto-detect it or not though
[07:21] <Snake> GO FASTER
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> Why do you use VMware
[07:22] <Snake> I'm planning to get onto edgy
[07:22] <mariano_> Snake: Kubuntu, Ubuntu uses the same repositories. You can run anything that is available in ubuntu repositories
[07:22] <Snake> mariano_,  im aware of that, I want to check stock applications tho ;)
[07:22] <halfbloodprince> I just saw some screenshots at OSDir of Kubuntu 6.10 knot 2.. what's the difference between that and 6.06
[07:22] <Snake> :)
[07:22] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  all the updates come with 6.10
[07:23] <Snake> Instead of install 6.06 + 300000000 gigs of updates :)
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> Snake: what updates are these?
[07:23] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  just security fixes etc etc, like you would have on windows
[07:23] <shadowr3d> hi
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I never update my Windows.. I've heard nasty things about Windows collecting my info
[07:23] <Snake> welcome
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  hehe, ubuntu doesnt collect info (to my knowledge)
[07:24] <halfbloodprince> Snake: How easy is the Kubuntu installation/creating a dual boot
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  very easy if you know how to use a partitionar
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Snake: it doesnt.  popcon is the only thing that collects info, and you have to choose to turn that on
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  the whole install is graphical based
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  also, kubuntu comes with kooka scanning software ;-)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> of course, it's very helpful if people *do* turn it on, as then we get a popularity list of software
[07:25] <Snake> installed by default
[07:25] <halfbloodprince> Snake: And creating a dualboot is simple? Coz I can really manage to screw things up when it comes to the partitioning part.. with the different types of partitions and all
[07:25] <shadowr3d> kubuntu is easy to dual boot
[07:25] <rpagatpatan> ping_
[07:25] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  as long as you know how to split your hard drive into 2 paritions and tell it which one to install kubuntu to, youll be fine, grub will auto-detect windows and set everything up  for you
[07:26] <wd> how do i get the libxine-extracodec to play all mp3, don't see it in package mgr.?
[07:26] <shadowr3d> snake:all you have to pick is resize the hdd
[07:26] <shadowr3d> then pick the gb or mb
[07:26] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: be carefull if you reinstall windows after installing k/ubuntu
[07:26] <halfbloodprince> Snake: What I plan to do is, re-format my hard drive, install Windows on one partition and leave the rest of it unpartitioned
[07:26] <Snake> wd,  you can always open a teriminal and type "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec" wiithout the quotes
[07:26] <halfbloodprince> And then boot with the Kubuntu CD
[07:27] <wd> Snake: i'll try again.
[07:27] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  that would work fine, always install windows first, and if you reinstall windows, you may have issues
[07:27] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  because windows is a control freak and over writes the master boot record
[07:27] <mariano_> btw, is there a way to backup MBR? (dd maybe?)
[07:27] <Snake> and isnt kind enough to realize nix is also on the HDD
[07:27] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm installing Windows first.. But should I create 2 partitions? Or should I just create one partition for Windows and leave the rest unpartitioned
[07:28] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  doesnt matter, youll just end up making the second later in the kubuntu installer
[07:28] <wd> Snake: : Couldn't find package libxine-extracodec
[07:28] <Snake> wd,  have you done this:
[07:28] <halfbloodprince> okay.... it won't touch my Windows partition, right?
[07:28] <Snake> !universe
[07:28] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:28] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  not as long as you tell it not to
[07:28] <Snake> alright seriously now, ill brb :-D
[07:28] <shadowr3d> when i put the sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec it says this------> E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodec
[07:29] <halfbloodprince> Snake, alright, thanks
[07:29] <Snake> !info libxine-extracodec
[07:29] <ubotu> Package libxine-extracodec does not exist in any distro I know
[07:29] <Snake> It doesnt exist
[07:29] <Snake> LOL
[07:29] <Snake> wd,  where did you get that package name
[07:29] <wd> Snake: kubunto handbook i'm reading now.
[07:29] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[07:29] <Snake> wtfh?
[07:30] <shadowr3d> snake i dont't understand what you said
[07:30] <wd> Snake: multimedia codecs.
[07:30] <Snake> !mp3
[07:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:30] <halfbloodprince> Where do I get v6.10
[07:30] <Snake> Weird...
[07:30] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  (k)ubuntu website
[07:30] <Snake> !info libxine-extracodecs
[07:30] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[07:30] <Snake> there we go
[07:31] <plugs> Ugh, i wish my computer would grow an AGP port.
[07:31] <Snake> wd,  your missing an "s" at the end ;)
[07:31] <Snake> libxine-extracodecs
[07:31] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I looked in the download section of the Kubuntu web site and the only version available there is 6.06
[07:31] <wd> Snake: o crap...thanks.
[07:31] <Snake> Np :)
[07:31] <Snake> OH CRAP
[07:31] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I am so sorry
[07:32] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  6.10 is edgy, I was under false impression
[07:32] <wd> Snake: E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodecs
[07:32] <Snake> -.-
[07:32] <wd> Snake: aaaugh.
[07:32] <halfbloodprince> Snake: So I should get 6.06?
[07:32] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  correct :)
[07:32] <Jobber_wacky> changed to 6.06.1
[07:32] <halfbloodprince> I actually ordered a CD via ShipIt, but it might take a while.. it was delivered about a week ago..
[07:33] <mariano_> wd: www.getautomatix.com
[07:33] <halfbloodprince> So I'm wondering if I should download it anyway
[07:33] <Snake> mariano_,  good idea
[07:33] <halfbloodprince> Downloading may take another week for me :p
[07:33] <Snake> hehe
[07:34] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06.1/
[07:34] <Snake> thats the one you want
[07:34] <Snake> well
[07:34] <Snake> thats ubuntu
[07:34] <Snake> I suppose you want kubuntu
[07:35] <halfbloodprince> Snake: yeah
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> Has anyone got stuff from ShipIt here?
[07:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//kubuntu/6.06.1/ knock urself out
[07:36] <Ash-Fox> Yes
[07:36] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: me, and I live in Argentina :D
[07:36] <Ash-Fox> I got my copy of getright from ShipIt.
[07:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I have about 50 ubuntu cds and about 20 kubutnu cds from it
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> mariano_: how much time did it take for you to get it
[07:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  took me 5 weeks for both shipments
[07:36] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: 1 month, from the request to my door :)
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> mariano_ : One month.. hmm..
[07:37] <kuzmaster> hey all
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> I'm wondering if I should wait for the CD, or just download it
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> hey kuzmaster
[07:37] <ryan_> it only took about 1 1/2 weeks for me
[07:37] <wd> Snake: r u suggesting i use ubuntu product......lol     totem / rhythmbox.......  gstreamer etc.....
[07:37] <Snake> ah
[07:37] <Snake> finally
[07:38] <Snake> lol
[07:38] <Snake> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.80GHz at 2806 MHz (5630 bogomips), , RAM: 289/357MB, 96 proc's, 15.23min up
[07:38] <ryan_> im itn the usa
[07:38] <halfbloodprince> ryan_: where are you from
[07:38] <Snake> wd: whatcha mean?
[07:38] <halfbloodprince> aj
[07:38] <halfbloodprince> ah*
[07:38] <wd> Snake: it may work. huh?? what fo u use?
[07:38] <ryan_> usa....georgia
[07:38] <Snake> wd: I'm fairly lost...
[07:38] <Snake> I apologize...
[07:38] <wd> Snake: sorry.. what do u use for mp3 and videos?
[07:39] <mariano_> wd: videos: mplayer, mp3: amarok or xmms
[07:39] <wd> mariano_: for kde?
[07:39] <halfbloodprince> I didn't like the look of amarok very much..
[07:39] <mariano_> wd: for kde you could use kaffeine
[07:39] <halfbloodprince> is there a better looking player?
[07:40] <Snake> That was not even cool
[07:40] <wd> mariano_: i might as well install gnome...      lol
[07:40] <Snake> halfbloodprince: You want amarok
[07:40] <Snake> trust me ;)
[07:40] <Snake> halfbloodprince: that is hands down the best media player in existance
[07:40] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: amarok rocks, really...
[07:40] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I've used amarok.. I didn't like the look.. Helix looked good but it didn't play shit
[07:40] <Snake> Heh
[07:40] <kuzmaster> what is better, kopte or gaim?
[07:40] <Snake> gaim is more stable
[07:40] <kuzmaster> k
[07:40] <Snake> kopete is prettier
[07:40] <wd> mariano_: i just want to play my mp3 and win videos avi,wma,mp3 etc... mpeg....
[07:40] <kuzmaster> gaim it is then
[07:41] <Snake> wd: check into http://www.getautomatix.com
[07:41] <wd> Snake: i had that in ubuntu last year, bad things said about it,
[07:41] <kuzmaster> are there any disadvantages of using automatix?
[07:41] <mariano_> wd: check www.getautomatix.com, then: videos: mplayer, mp3: amarok or xmms (I repeat)
[07:42] <Snake> wd: the old code was bad, arnieboy has since stepped down and handed it over to a team who cleaned it up
[07:42] <Snake> its a rather nice application now
[07:42] <wd> Snake: really
[07:42] <Snake> kuzmaster: Well you dont learn much about your system using it, pending what your goal in linux is
[07:42] <kuzmaster> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,k
[07:42] <Snake> wd: trust me man, I used to be anti automatix to the core ;)
[07:42] <kuzmaster> its eaiser using apt-get
[07:42] <mariano_> sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=backup-mbr bs=512 count=1
[07:42] <mariano_> 1+0 records in
[07:42] <mariano_> 1+0 records out
[07:43] <mariano_> Segmentation Fault
[07:43] <mariano_> :S
[07:43] <wd> Snake: how do i do a search in adept? where do i type xmms? in the filter line?
[07:43] <Snake> wd: lemme look
[07:43] <Snake> been a while since I used that
[07:43] <shadowr3d> how could i get audicity
[07:44] <Snake> shadowr3d: sudo apt-get install aduacity
[07:44] <Snake> audicity*
[07:44] <Snake> whatever
[07:44] <mariano_> wd: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[07:44] <wd> Snake: i liked easyubuntu myself.
[07:44] <Snake> wd: as did I
[07:44] <wd> mariano_: thanks
[07:44] <shadowr3d> E: Couldn't find package audicity
[07:44] <Snake> But automatix seems to have way more options, and as I said, I havnt herd of much broken with the new code
[07:44] <shadowr3d> thats what it says
[07:44] <Snake> !info audicity
[07:44] <ubotu> Package audicity does not exist in any distro I know
[07:45] <halfbloodprince> what's easyubuntu
[07:45] <Snake> you spelled something incorrectly
[07:45] <mariano_> shadowr3d: audacity
[07:45] <shadowr3d> o
[07:45] <wd> Snake: i've been from ubuntu, kubuntu, xfce, back to gnome :)  last week gentoo, now back to ubuntu... man i'm tired. lol
[07:45] <Snake> halfbloodprince: generally the same thing as automatix, it was nice when automatix was a pile of trash
[07:45] <halfbloodprince> what's wrong with gentoo? a friend of mine really likes it
[07:45] <Snake> Gentoo is great if your time is worth nothing
[07:45] <Snake> :-P
[07:46] <wd> halfbloodprince: too advance for me, i'm still a newbie. it was blazzzzzzzing fast, but the irc folks have no patience.
[07:46] <wd> Snake: lol
[07:46] <Snake> wd: up at the very top of adept, it says "Search" just type it in there
[07:46] <shadowr3d> how do i unistall kubuntu not that i want to just i want to know
[07:46] <Snake> its in a active filters drop down
[07:46] <halfbloodprince> suse has some really mean irc folk
[07:46] <wd> Snake: thanks.
[07:46] <Snake> shadowr3d: just delete the partions its on
[07:46] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: Your distribution does the job for you, not otherwise (gentoo)
[07:46] <shadowr3d> ok
[07:47] <shadowr3d> thnx
[07:47] <Snake> shadowr3d: uh and you may need to restore your mbr
[07:47] <Snake> not sure though
[07:47] <Snake> that can be done with your windows disk
[07:47] <halfbloodprince> man that automatix website is hard on the eyes..
[07:47] <halfbloodprince> dark red on grey
[07:47] <Snake> yea it is
[07:47] <wd> Snake: mariano_ i'm gonna check out automatix brb
[07:47] <bill__> does anyone know how to register /etc/fstab without having to reboot? what would be the command?
[07:48] <halfbloodprince> holy crap automatix seems awesome!
[07:48] <mariano_> bill__: sudo mount -a
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Snake: Ubuntu does collect info
[07:49] <bill__> thanks mariano
[07:49] <Ash-Fox> Ubuntu is spyware
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Snake: Never mind Hobbsee covered it :)
[07:50] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its....... eaiser to install packages, but you wont really learn much aobut the package
[07:50] <Snake> DaSkreech: its not anything like windows though
[07:50] <Snake> lol
[07:50] <kuzmaster> Ash-Fox, wat do u mean?
[07:50] <Ash-Fox> kuzmaster, I'm joking :P
[07:50] <kuzmaster> Ash-Fox, ummmm......... yes....... i knew that .................
[07:50] <halfbloodprince> kuzmaster: wht do you mean?
[07:51] <Snake> -_-
[07:51] <halfbloodprince> wd: did you install automatix
[07:51] <Ash-Fox> I need to reinstall kubuntu, because I managed to mess up my entire system so much by installin ubuntu-desktop (and then removing it)
[07:51] <bill__> yeah, automatix is serves it purpose of making linux easy to configure, but learning how to do it all via commandline is always a good thing...
[07:51] <Ash-Fox> I mean, I don't know how I managed this, but konqueror will forget all my bookmarks, KDE will forgot all my settings on logout (theming etc), even on fresh new user profiles. It's hilarious :P
[07:52] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, well, you wont really learn much about the cli interface for apt-get, which can be extreamly usefull
[07:52] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, and sooner or later, you will depend on it
[07:52] <halfbloodprince> one question: is automatix an application which one has to 'run' everytime i start kubuntu?
[07:52] <Snake> no way
[07:53] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: no, you just install what you need, that's all
[07:53] <Snake> halfbloodprince: after you install the apps  and codecs you want, you can remove it
[07:53] <halfbloodprince> Snake: alright.. so it's just a one time thing then
[07:53] <Snake> correct
[07:53] <Snake> halfbloodprince: nothing on linux happens unless you want it to happen
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> cool.. so it's just those 3 commands that i need to use to install it
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> ?
[07:54] <Snake> Apparently
[07:54] <Snake> :)
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> ah
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> man, this gets easier and easier
[07:54] <Snake> give it a year or so
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> one more thing.. are there any 'skins' available for kubuntu?
[07:54] <Snake> it gets betta
[07:54] <Snake> abd betta :)
[07:54] <Snake> halfbloodprince: TONS
[07:55] <halfbloodprince> Snake: why do you say that?
[07:55] <Snake> halfbloodprince: I'll be hitting my offical one year on linux mark in novemeber, and I <3 every moment on in this enviroment
[07:55] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: skins? go to www.kde-look.org
[07:55] <Snake> little things in windows bug the hell out of me now
[07:55] <wd> Snake: how do i find out my kubuntu version? i installed an old cd from last year but i updated/upgraded?
[07:56] <halfbloodprince> Snake: alright... i'm glad i spoke to you, actually.. i was wondering about using kubuntu, since most of my work involves windows
[07:56] <Snake> wd: in your sources.list just change say if your on breezy, anywhere it says breezy, change it to dapper
[07:56] <Healot> lsb_release -a
[07:56] <Snake> wd: then apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:56] <wd> Snake: ok.
[07:56] <halfbloodprince> Snake: and how does one go about installing ttf fonts?
[07:57] <Snake> halfbloodprince: example: I cant seperate the taskbar from the start menu. thats annoying to me
[07:57] <Snake> !tff
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <Jobber_wacky> paste them into /usr/local/share/fonts
[07:57] <Snake> I hate you ubotu
[07:57] <kuzmaster> ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1one
[07:57] <kuzmaster> i have 254mb of updates to download
[07:57] <Healot> !font
[07:57] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[07:57] <Snake> ah ha
[07:57] <Snake> thanks Healot
[07:57] <Snake> kuzmaster: same here lol
[07:57] <halfbloodprince> Thanks Healot
[07:57] <Snake> should have gotten 6.06.1
[07:58] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: automatix has a 'package' with lots of ttf fonts
[07:58] <halfbloodprince> Kuzmaster: what's your connection speed
[07:58] <kuzmaster> 512k
[07:58] <Snake> down??
[07:58] <kuzmaster> Snake, did u just install?
[07:58] <Snake> yeowch
[07:58] <Snake> kuzmaster: yulp
[07:58] <kuzmaster> yeah
[07:58] <kuzmaster> 152/256k
[07:58] <kuzmaster> same
[07:58] <Snake> im like 3mb/1.5
[07:58] <Snake> lol
[07:59] <wd> Snake: how can i edit sources list from terminal.... adept wont let me edit.
[07:59] <kuzmaster> Snake, ;-(, i cant get adsl2 or higher
[07:59] <mariano_> Snake: and all for porn I guess :)
[07:59] <Snake> and 64% updated
[07:59] <mariano_> wd sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <Snake> wd: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:59] <halfbloodprince> i'm on 64kbps
[07:59] <Snake> or you can use vim
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Skinning under KDE is still a pain
[07:59] <halfbloodprince> isn't that awesome
[07:59] <Snake> as he said above
[08:00] <Jobber_wacky> even cable is only 756k or so- around here
[08:00] <halfbloodprince> DaSkreech, why do you say that
[08:00] <Jobber_wacky> I really need to move to a larger city
[08:00] <Snake> DaSkreech: how do you figure?
[08:00] <Snake> DaSkreech: try skinning gnome
[08:00] <kuzmaster> im only 4% with my updates
[08:00] <kuzmaster> ;-(
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Well they have a one button theme
[08:00] <DaSkreech> You should be able to package a one button KDE
[08:00] <mariano_> DaSkreech: WTF is skinning?
[08:00] <Snake> DaSkreech: so does kde dude
[08:01] <DaSkreech> where's that?
[08:01] <mariano_> DaSkreech: kde themes
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Yeah yeah
[08:01] <Snake> DaSkreech: kcontrol --> appearence --> theme manager
[08:01] <mariano_> DaSkreech: oops, sorry, perhaps you have to do 3 or four clicks...that's really hard
[08:01] <Snake> mariano_: you have to in gnome too...
[08:02] <Snake> System --> Apperance --> System Theme
[08:02] <Snake> or something like that
[08:02] <mariano_> Snake: it was a joke...
[08:02] <Snake> I know
[08:02] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I need some advice here.. I have a 40GB hard drive.. and I'll be dual booting.. I'll be installing windows in the first partition.. and saving my work-related files there.. and gnome in the other partition.. so hw much space do you recommend for each partition?
[08:02] <Snake> halfbloodprince: 25 to windows and 15 to linux
[08:03] <Jobber_wacky> I'd go half and half
[08:03] <Snake> halfbloodprince: windows apps are usually way bigger than linux
[08:03] <halfbloodprince> 15 will be enough for linux?
[08:03] <Snake> half and half would work too, but I tend to give windows more space
[08:03] <Jobber_wacky> I do the opposite
[08:03] <Snake> halfbloodprince: i have 12 g igs total on my lappy HDD and still have 6 gigs left to go
[08:03] <Jobber_wacky> Windows is on a 15GB partition
[08:03] <Snake> thats with install and a ton of apps
[08:04] <Jobber_wacky> I've abandoned windows pretty much
[08:04] <mariano_> bye...see you soon
[08:04] <Snake> Jobber_wacky: so after you install windows you have what, enough room for 3 programs and a mp3?
[08:04] <Snake> :-P
[08:04] <Jobber_wacky> Windows only takes up less than 2GB
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Jobber_wacky: For a week
[08:04] <Snake> jahhahaha
[08:04] <Snake> DaSkreech: +1
[08:04] <Snake> Its like 1,700 mb on install
[08:04] <Snake> or something like that
[08:04] <Jobber_wacky> Yeah, the 13GB rest is enough, it's not THAT crazy
[08:05] <halfbloodprince> I'll do a 25+15
[08:05] <Snake> nope but vista will be
[08:05] <Snake> kekekek
[08:05] <Jobber_wacky> vista can go suck freeze dried lemons
[08:05] <Snake> aw thats mean
[08:05] <Snake> wtf did I just do to my kubuntu
[08:06] <Jobber_wacky> I've tried the beta, horrible
[08:06] <LinuxCart> Hello
[08:06] <Snake> Jobber_wacky: it runs like holy hell on my system
[08:06] <halfbloodprince> okay.. this is unrelated to kubuntu.. but do any of you guys know any way i can forward all my emails in thunderbird to another web-based email account? some way to mass-forward them?
[08:06] <Jobber_wacky> and the release is being pushed forward to october, it will be horrible
[08:06] <halfbloodprince> hey LinuxCart
[08:06] <LinuxCart> any known plobem with cpufreqd and kubunutu dapper?
[08:07] <Snake> halfbloodprince: not sure mang
[08:07] <LinuxCart> and solution (if possible)
[08:08] <kuzmaster> is there a way to inset special characters in kubuntu, like the ALT codes in windows?
[08:08] <Snake> kuzmaster: yea, that was a issue I had, you gotta mess with the kb settings in kcontrol
[08:08] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:08] <Jobber_wacky> hold Ctrl+shift press keys
[08:08] <Jobber_wacky> then release
[08:08] <Snake> For real!?
[08:08] <Jobber_wacky> ?
[08:08] <Snake> hmm
[08:08] <Snake> no good here
[08:08] <kuzmaster> no
[08:08] <kuzmaster> dosnt work
[08:09] <kuzmaster> !skim
[08:09] <Jobber_wacky> you may have to enable unicode? works here
[08:09] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.4-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[08:09] <LinuxCart> I've just upgraded within kubuntu and cpufreqd failed loading
[08:09] <Jobber_wacky> ?
[08:09] <Jobber_wacky> ?
[08:09] <halfbloodprince> i just downloaded the kubuntu iso torrent
[08:09] <Snake> kuzmaster: 97% :-P
[08:09] <Snake> Good race ;-)
[08:09] <LinuxCart> tried to load manually etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart and failed again
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I just need the iso file, right? Nothing tlse?
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> else*
[08:10] <Snake> halfbloodprince: correct, then you just burn the iso like you would you windows disk
[08:10] <Snake> errr
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> yeah, got it
[08:11] <halfbloodprince> now it'll take me like a week to download the entire iso file
[08:11] <Jobber_wacky> ah, not the same codes from windows just so you know
[08:11] <Snake> lol
[08:11] <halfbloodprince> not funny, man :P i have a 64kbps connection
[08:11] <Jobber_wacky> could be worse
[08:11] <Snake> halfbloodprince: should I ship you my kubuntu disk?
[08:11] <Snake> :)
[08:12] <kuzmaster> snake, how long have you been using your current installation of kubuntu for?
[08:12] <Jobber_wacky> and it wont take a week just a day or two
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> Snake: where do you live?
[08:12] <Snake> kuzmaster: I just now installed it man
[08:12] <kuzmaster> oh
[08:12] <Snake> halfbloodprince: ohio
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> Jobber_wacky: I use a 64kbps connection
[08:12] <kuzmaster> hmmm, anyone here had it for........ over a month?
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm in another country altogether
[08:12] <Snake> kuzmaster: ive used kubuntu for longer than that..
[08:12] <Snake> if thats what you mean
[08:12] <Jobber_wacky> halfbloodprince, a week would be dialup
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> I'll get the official Kubuntu shipit cd before I get yours
[08:12] <Snake> heeh
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> :)
[08:13] <kuzmaster> Snake, no, and so have i
[08:13] <Snake> halfbloodprince: mine would get stopped at customs
[08:13] <LinuxCart> if this is not the right place could you tell me where to ask
[08:13] <Snake> cuz its a b0mb!!
[08:13] <LinuxCart> is there a kubuntu-laptop or the like?
[08:13] <kuzmaster> i just want to know approx how much kubuntu uses up
[08:13] <halfbloodprince> Jobber_wacky: Maybe not a week per se.. but like at least 3 days
[08:13] <kuzmaster> how much hard disk space
[08:13] <Snake> kuzmaster: not to much, its like 2gb on install
[08:13] <Jobber_wacky> I'd say 2 days of non-stop load
[08:13] <Snake> kuzmaster: then it doesnt use much more after that unless you install more apps
[08:13] <DaSkreech> can some media player run mp4?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> the H.264 one
[08:14] <Snake> DaSkreech: perhaps vlc?
[08:14] <Jobber_wacky> just remember to use kget or some such
[08:14] <halfbloodprince> is opera on linux better than firefox  on linux?
[08:14] <Jobber_wacky> halfbloodprince, no
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Snake: Some other one?
[08:14] <Snake> na
[08:14] <Snake> DaSkreech: mplayer?
[08:14] <Snake> lol
[08:14] <kuzmaster> DaSkreech, i would STRONGLY advise you to install vlc media player
[08:14] <Healot> opera can't be any better than mozilla-alike :)
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Doesn't seem to
[08:15] <kuzmaster> DaSkreech, it will play almost all codecs/file types, with out add-ons
[08:15] <kuzmaster> DaSkreech, i LOVE IT
[08:15] <Snake> vlc is godly
[08:15] <Snake> VLC and Amarok make a nasty team
[08:15] <kuzmaster> i use vlc on windows, linux and mac
[08:15] <kuzmaster> its the BEST!!!!!!!!!! w00t
[08:15] <kuzmaster> lol
[08:15] <Snake> i use it on windows, but just for things wmp wont play
[08:15] <Jobber_wacky> what's special?
[08:15] <halfbloodprince> vlc is available for linux too?
[08:15] <halfbloodprince> wtf!
[08:15] <DaSkreech> I wish that Songbir would use it :-(
[08:15] <halfbloodprince> vlc is god!
[08:15] <Snake> halfbloodprince: its avalible for everything
[08:16] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its even available for windows CE
[08:16] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its an open source project, you can download to source yourselft and complie it on any system
[08:16] <halfbloodprince> man, are you sure kooka works fine for scanning stuff?
[08:17] <halfbloodprince> i feel weird using anything called kooka
[08:17] <Snake> lol
[08:17] <Snake> Ive never used it
[08:17] <Snake> but it comes with it :)
[08:17] <DaSkreech> The use the VLC libs on all platforms but linux :-(
[08:17] <Snake> halfbloodprince: what do you prefer? Kooka or XSane? (Xsane is what comes with gnome)
[08:17] <halfbloodprince> XSane sounds cooler
[08:17] <Snake> then rename kooka
[08:17] <Snake> :-P
[08:18] <DaSkreech> argh The SongBird App uses VLC Libs even
[08:18] <Snake> songbird is kewl
[08:18] <halfbloodprince> why do all these linux software sites have such huge fonts :p
[08:18] <Snake> bit unstable though
[08:18] <Snake> halfbloodprince: they wanna be macintized!!
[08:18] <halfbloodprince> ??
[08:18] <Snake> its a joke
[08:18] <Snake> !latestkde
[08:18] <ubotu> The latest version of KDE is 3.5.4, and Kubuntu packages are available at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[08:19] <halfbloodprince> i got that it was a joke :p i just didnt get the joke
[08:19] <Snake> ...bah never mind
[08:20] <Snake> man the new automatix team is great
[08:20] <LinuxCart> I have a laptop, how should I use the cpu scaling? which is the best application?
[08:20] <Snake> im diggin what theyve done to this thign
[08:20] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm hoping the installation is simple.. i managed to fuck up the suse thing pretty badly
[08:20] <Snake> halfbloodprince: its easier than suse ;)
[08:20] <Snake> I promise
[08:20] <Snake> just read  what it says and youll be fine
[08:20] <halfbloodprince> I was fine till it got to the partitioning part.. and the partitioning was so confusing, that i delted windows altogether
[08:20] <Snake> halfbloodprince: and if you have any problems just click the kmenu --> Internet --> Konversation and itll link you right into here
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> then i reinstalled windows and asked people on suse irc for help, and they were rude
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[08:21] <DaSkreech> !language
[08:21] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> was really bad
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> sorry ubotu
[08:21] <Snake> Hey guys
[08:22] <Snake> how well do you think xgl will run under wine
[08:22] <Snake> >: )
[08:22] <Snake> err
[08:22] <Snake> not wine
[08:22] <Snake> vmware
[08:22] <halfbloodprince> what exactly is xubuntu
[08:22] <Darius[TEA] > Snake: really really badly
[08:22] <Snake> ubuntu with xfce instead of KDE or Gnome
[08:22] <Ash-Fox> a buntu distro that uses xfce4 by default
[08:22] <halfbloodprince> ah okay
[08:22] <halfbloodprince> got it
[08:22] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its for lower end systems
[08:23] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, i used  to and im going to use it as a server
[08:23] <halfbloodprince> kuzmaster: okay..
[08:23] <halfbloodprince> man kubuntu has an inbuilt font installer
[08:23] <halfbloodprince> how cool is that!
[08:23] <Darius[TEA] > Snake: if at all, since the vmware x server doesn't do opengl AFAIK
[08:24] <Snake> Darius[TEA] : I was half kididng :)
[08:24] <Snake> enjoying your tea?
[08:24] <Snake> :-P
[08:24] <halfbloodprince> Snake: does Kubuntu have any cool transparent-effect things
[08:25] <Snake> halfbloodprince: Havnt tested, but XGL does
[08:25] <Snake> and damnnn is XGL goooddddd
[08:25] <Ash-Fox> !xgl
[08:25] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:25] <Snake> but native KDE, dunno
[08:25] <Ash-Fox> native kde uses cheap hacks to get around transparencies on x.org
[08:26] <Ash-Fox> Basically it just copies your background picture, and places in the application background
[08:26] <Darius[TEA] > Ash-Fox: no it doesn't
[08:26] <Darius[TEA] > Ash-Fox: it uses the composite extension
[08:26] <Ash-Fox> You won't see any other windows under those.
[08:26] <halfbloodprince> do you need external video cards for XGL?
[08:26] <Snake> Im not sure the min requirement
[08:26] <Darius[TEA] > Ash-Fox: I do :)
[08:26] <Snake> I run mine on a ATI 9250
[08:27] <Darius[TEA] > I suspect you just need a card that supports DRI for XGL
[08:27] <Ash-Fox> Yeah, and I suggest you do not try running it on a radeon mobility, I've only had bad luck with those.
[08:27] <Ash-Fox> (Strange artifacts getting left behind mostly)
[08:28] <Snake> so steady as she goes!!
[08:28] <halfbloodprince> Snake: love that song!
[08:28] <Darius[TEA] > well compsite extension support is pretty new
[08:28] <halfbloodprince> what's the difference between Adept and Synapti
[08:28] <halfbloodprince> Synaptic
[08:28] <Ash-Fox> Not even x.org's backing store option helps with those artifacts.
[08:28] <Snake> frontends
[08:28] <Darius[TEA] > halfbloodprince: they're both front ends for pkg
[08:28] <Darius[TEA] > dpkg
[08:28] <Snake> halfbloodprince: layouts pretty much
[08:29] <Darius[TEA] > adept is for kde, synaptic is for gnome
[08:29] <Darius[TEA] > well qt & gtk
[08:29] <Snake> and that
[08:29] <Snake> :)
[08:29] <link_36p> Does anyone know how i can get OpenGL 1.3?
[08:29] <halfbloodprince> cool
[08:29] <Ash-Fox> adept is a QT app or kde app?
[08:29] <Snake> adept is QR
[08:29] <Snake> QT*
[08:29] <Snake> which is what kde is written in
[08:29] <Snake> so itll start up faster in a KDE enviroment than a gnome
[08:29] <Darius[TEA] > pretty marginal though
[08:29] <Snake> correct
[08:30] <link_36p> Hey anyone know if my openGL should be 1.3?
[08:30] <Snake> konq is so tightly integrated, one of my fav things about kde
[08:30] <Snake> :)
[08:31] <Snake> yea knoq needs firefox extension support
[08:31] <Snake> :)
[08:31] <Snake> every browser should have firefox extension support
[08:32] <Ash-Fox> It has extension support, but meh, supporting xul extensions. That's really pulling your underwear over your head in my opinion :/
[08:32] <Snake> I know it does but no true firefox extension would work in it
[08:32] <Snake> say deepest sender
[08:33] <Ash-Fox> Firefox was supposed to have a QT version a few years ago.
[08:33] <Snake> that'll be the day
[08:33] <halfbloodprince> i havent heard too many good things about gnome
[08:34] <Snake> I like gnome
[08:34] <Snake> it seems much more stable than KDE, but its constraining
[08:34] <halfbloodprince> i dont like konqueror as a browser.. it's nice as a file manager
[08:34] <Ash-Fox> There are some decent things in gnome, but for the most part.  I don't want to see flying boxes attack my tray when I hit minimize
[08:35] <Snake> lol
[08:35] <Mez> Snake: when you launch konversation: what servers do you see in the server list ?
[08:35] <Snake> Mez: just freenodes
[08:35] <Snake> irc.freenode.net
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> Snake: you completed your installation?
[08:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince: yea I been on here for a while now ;)
[08:36] <Snake> i'm just installing codecs and stuff now
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[08:36] <Snake> watching as fonts fly past my face
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> Can you visit a website for me, and show me a screenshot?
[08:36] <Snake> sure
[08:36] <Snake> what site?
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> if it's not too much to ask
[08:37] <halfbloodprince> www.split-magazine.com
[08:38] <Snake> halfbloodprince: uploading
[08:38] <Snake> halfbloodprince: http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1736/snapshot1is1.png
[08:39] <halfbloodprince> firefox :p
[08:39] <Snake> rawr2u
[08:39] <Snake> halfbloodprince: i dont have firefox yet, automatix is doin its thing
[08:39] <Snake> when its done ill grab it
[08:39] <halfbloodprince> thats okay
[08:39] <halfbloodprince> damn, my site looks good even in konqueror :p
[08:40] <Snake> hehe
[08:40] <halfbloodprince> what do you think of it?
[08:40] <halfbloodprince> it's running on wordpress
[08:40] <Snake> its nice
[08:41] <halfbloodprince> thanks
[08:41] <Snake> halfbloodprince: typo
[08:41] <Snake> System of a Down: Mesmerize
[08:41] <halfbloodprince> what's the typo
[08:41] <Snake> isnt it mezmerize?
[08:41] <halfbloodprince> in UK english it's spelled as mesmerise
[08:42] <Snake> ah
[08:42] <plugs> that doesnt matter. it's how the band spellsit
[08:42] <Snake> I hold the US release in my hand and its spelled with a z