[00:01] <apb1963> sarnold: so if I were sending mail from another ISP say.... aol... then I wouldn't have this issue?
[00:02] <sarnold> apb1963: if the mail is From: or From_ an aol address it would be more likely to work, Ithink..
[00:04] <apb1963> sarnold: so.... if I were to have a From: line that matched their domain... that would resolve it?
[00:05] <sarnold> apb1963: it'd probably help, especially if you could pop3 or imap4 to that account from the same ip address shortly before..
[00:06] <apb1963> i'm reasonably sure I send before receiving on the normal use account which works.
[00:06] <apb1963> I'm pretty sure it goes out instantly too.
[00:06] <apb1963> i.e. not just when I poll for POP
[00:07] <sarnold> last time I looked into this the usual timings were e.g. five or ten minutes
[00:07] <sarnold> they could make it a few hours or so..
[00:07] <apb1963> Yeah, I poll every 5 or 10 minutes... but outgoing goes as soon as I send.
[00:07] <sarnold> (and at this point, it's all speculation on my part that they'd use it :)
[00:08] <apb1963> Right... so assuming they don't... then what would I need to change... my /etc/mailname?
[00:09] <apb1963> somehow this doesn't make sense... surely other people using freedns send their email out without having to compromise their domain name and rely on the name of their ISP.
[00:10] <apb1963> I think this might be where SMTP auth comes in perhaps.
[00:11] <apb1963> !welcome
[00:11] <sarnold> apb1963: antispam mechansisms have seriously degraded the ease of setting up mail servers these days :(
[00:12] <sarnold> apb1963: you could investigate using e.g. sendgrid as a way to get your mail onto the internet
[00:15] <apb1963> sarnold: ok so since my use case is limited... lets try this a different way.  Lets say I want thunderbird to poll for system mail the same way it polls RR.
[00:16] <apb1963> sarnold: It would what... connect to dovecot somehow?
[00:16] <apb1963> so just add another account to thunderbird?
[00:16] <apb1963> yeah... that sounds good
[00:16] <apb1963> :)
[00:16] <sarnold> apb1963: I think there's a few approaches; running dovecot locally is one that many of my friends have used for various reasons I never understood :)
[00:17] <apb1963> I'm going to try it
[00:17] <apb1963> that's the simple solution
[00:17] <apb1963> since i'm already running dovecot I think
[00:18] <sarnold> apb1963: this post suggests that you could also use /var/spool/mail/ directly with thunderbird, in case you've got local delivery already working: http://askubuntu.com/a/199453/33812
[00:22] <apb1963> sarnold: Thank you!  I suspect that's what I'm looking for.  I was unaware of the need for a .forward file and is probably the reason why my aliases never worked.  That had me puzzled for like a  year now.
[00:23] <apb1963> I still don't understand the need for a .forward file... seems like an alias should be enough... but hopefully that's one additional mystery solved.
[00:24] <apb1963> In fact... i would think one or the other is all that's needed... not both.  Seems odd to me.  Oh well, that's a different conversation.
[00:25] <sarnold> it's been ages since I've hosted my own email, such a pain.. I don't recall that constraint before, but I'm not sure I'd used aliases extensively back then
[00:40] <apb1963> sarnold: Well, thunderbird won't let me choose that directory.... "The Local Directory path "/var/mail" is invalid. Please pick a different directory."  Unfortunately I need to deal with something else so I'll have to come back later.  Thanks for the help!
[00:41] <apb1963> Could be permissions.  :(
[00:41] <sarnold> apb1963: good luck!
[00:41] <apb1963> Anyway.  Thanks!
[00:41]  * apb1963 leaves
[00:43] <strlng> I'm trying to figure out bouncing mail for a specific account with postfix. I have an email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that receives lots of spam. So jim now has an address he is using instead<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Problem is jim has an account on the server. So I need to have outside mail addressed to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to bounce, but mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to go to user jim. Is there any way to do this?
[01:01] <smoser> med_, tht would most certainly be wrong :)
[01:02] <smoser> cirros most certainly works on virtio:
[01:05] <smoser> wget http://download.cirros-cloud.net/0.3.1/cirros-0.3.1-x86_64-disk.img -O cirros-disk.img
[01:05] <smoser> kvm -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=net00,mac=52:54:00:12:34:00 -netdev type=user,id=net00 -drive if=virtio,file=cirros-disk.img
[01:05] <smoser> that will work fine.
[01:05] <smoser> i suspect your issue is that its looking for an ec2 metadata service, which its not goign to find.
[01:49] <rostam> Hi I use preseed file to automate installtion of my system. I want to boot into EFI mode, do I have to do anything special in my preseed file with regard to booting in EFI mode? Thx
[06:24] <basil> Hi I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04. Yesterday, when I rebooted, it showed 2 fails - Starting configure network drive and Starting configure virtual network drive. Can anyone shed some light please?
[07:48] <Repox> Hi. reverse dns / ptr records. Is this something I need to setup on the server?
[08:43] <marcus_> Hi! I'm having trouble getting my SAS-controllers working under 13.10 server, something seems to hang during startup -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7048825/
[08:43] <marcus_> any suggestions on how to proceed?
[08:56] <basil_> Hi my new installation of Ubuntu 12.04 won't connect to the Internet using FF - error is "unabale to connect". But I can ping www.google.com, ping <IP_ADDRESS> and ping my gateaway. My webserver is also working. How can I connect to the Interne tfrom my server?
[09:03] <cfhowlett> basil_, try a different browser: chromium?
[09:06] <basil_> had thought of that....but I get an error of "failed to download package files" when I try to install chrome
[09:17] <marcus_> Hi! I'm having trouble getting my SAS-controllers working under 13.10 server, something seems to hang during startup. How should I proceed? -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7048825/
[09:39] <jamespage> zul, I recut your MP with some extra stuff - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/neutron/icehouse-b3/+merge/209870
[09:39] <jamespage> zul, not sure how you come back from that comment late yesterday
[09:39] <jamespage> :-)
[09:47] <jamespage> sarnold, hey - I know you are busy but when do you think you will get to the juju MIR?
[10:27] <marcus_> Hi! I'm having trouble getting my SAS-controllers working under 13.10 server, something seems to hang during startup. How should I proceed? -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7048825/
[10:32] <ikonia> marcus_: what make/brand is the sas controller
[10:33] <marcus_> ibm serveraid
[10:33] <marcus_> let me find the model number
[10:34] <marcus_> IBM Express ServeRAID M1015
[10:35] <ikonia> whats the actual problem with it ?
[10:36] <marcus_> ikonia: only 8 of 24 drives are detected
[10:36] <marcus_> there are 3 of those controllers, and their combined bios detects them all
[10:36] <ikonia> there are 3 controllers, with how many disks on each
[10:36] <marcus_> 8
[10:36] <ikonia> so that suggests only one controller is being detected/loaded at boot time
[10:37] <marcus_> all 3 boot up properly before the OS boots
[10:37] <marcus_> and dmesg throws errors on them
[10:37] <ikonia> does it throw an error on all of them, or just one of them
[10:37] <ikonia> (or two)
[10:38] <marcus_> not quite sure
[10:38] <marcus_> I'm sort of new to troubleshooting with dmesg
[10:38] <marcus_> on hardware
[10:38] <ikonia> well, dmesg isn't the only tool here
[10:38] <ikonia> what does the syslog say ?
[10:39] <ikonia> what kernel module does it use ? how many instances of that are loaded ?
[10:40] <Repox> Hi. I have an issue with an executable. When trying to execute supervisorctl I get an error telling me that "bash: /usr/local/bin/supervisorctl: No such file or directory" . But the file is actually located in /usr/bin, not /usr/local/bin. How can I fix this?
[10:40] <marcus_> ikonia: I'm not sure what to look for... should I paste it to a pastebin?
[10:40] <ikonia> Repox: looks like it's hardcoded to look there
[10:41] <ikonia> marcus_: well, look for it starting to bring the disk system up
[10:41] <ikonia> marcus_: look for it making references to the controllers
[10:41] <ikonia> look at the kernel module - look how many times it tries/succeeds in loading it
[10:44] <marcus_> ikonia: kernel: [  191.668158] megasas: [ 0]waiting for 1 commands to complete <- like this?
[10:45] <ikonia> no, but that is useful, so it's still waiting for something, although that may not be a bad thing
[10:45] <marcus_> kernel: [  191.668155] scsi 2:0:0:0: megasas: RESET cmd=12 retries=0
[10:46] <rahuldroy> Hi Guys, Can someone help me with with server question. Apache on my EC2 micro instance is using a really really high. It ideals at around 40% but also sometimes maxes the cpu completely
[10:46] <rahuldroy> any ideas on how I can debug it?
[10:47] <ikonia> marcus_: issuing a reset......interesting
[10:47] <marcus_> [    2.777725] megasas_init_mfi: fw_support_ieee=67108864
[10:47] <marcus_> this is the first reference I can find in the syslog
[10:47] <marcus_> [    2.777726] megasas: INIT adapter done
[10:49] <ikonia> don't know what that means, looks like its an init and loading of firmware (at a guess)
[10:49] <marcus_> grepping mega from the syslog gave me a nice view
[10:50] <marcus_> but then there are call traces in the logs, that means something crashed..right?
[10:51] <ikonia> not always
[10:52] <marcus_>  [  367.079111] megasas: [175]waiting for 1 commands to complete
[10:52] <marcus_> guessing this isn't a good sign
[11:23] <makara> any idea what's wrong here? http://postimg.org/image/7yns6gdnv/
[11:31] <jamespage> rbasak, are you intending on pushing any more debian-ubuntu mysql resync this cycle?
[12:08] <rbasak> jamespage: I was thinking about just doing a merge against the latest release to make future merges easier, but that would probably actually be no code changes in the end, just a version bump.
[12:08] <rbasak> jamespage: I don't have anything else to send to Debian, I don't think.
[12:08] <rbasak> There's an upstream microrelease update needed, too.
[12:09] <jamespage> rbasak, not worth the churn - lets pick this up again next cycle
[12:09] <jamespage> rbasak, is that granted yet?
[12:09] <rbasak> jamespage: yes, it's granted. I haven't worried about it too much though, since we can do that at any time and more will surely come along.
[12:09] <rbasak> (so I don't see it as critical for release, but a nice-to-have that we release with the current, which may not be today's current)
[12:09] <jamespage> rbasak, I wonder if I can piggy back on that for mysql-5.6
[12:10] <rbasak> jamespage: I expect so. The 5.5 TB decision was not controversial. I'm sure that the 5.6 one will be considered to be the same if we just ask them. I'd also agree that techncially it's the same decision, but since it's a different source package it seems polite to ask.
[12:12] <rbasak> jamespage: have you seen bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1284376? Looks like it just needs a merge.
[12:13] <jamespage> rbasak, doko already did it
[12:13] <rbasak> Ah!
[12:13] <jamespage> marking it so
[12:13] <rbasak> You beat me to it :)
[12:30] <zul> jamespage:  +1
[12:31] <zul> jamespage:  i just merged it as well
[12:31] <jamespage> zul, my neutron changes?
[12:32] <zul> jamespage:  yep
[12:32] <jamespage> zul, I need to upload still - doing that now then
[12:32] <zul> jamespage:  ok
[12:33] <zul> jamespage:  im going to play around with the cloud archive havanna stuff this morning
[12:34] <zul> jamespage: right after breakfast and wakeupage
[12:35] <jamespage> zul, good-oh
[12:44] <jamespage> zul, oh - btw the hplefthandclient MIR was subscribed to the sru team, not the mir team - fixed that
[12:44] <zul> doh
[12:45] <jamespage> zul, now if we can fix beautiful soup for django compressor
[12:46] <jamespage> we'll be clear on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[12:48] <zul> jamespage:  ill take a look at it today
[12:48] <jamespage> zul, great
[12:48] <zul> but i could have sworn i did that :)
[12:48] <jamespage> zul, this was the thing that was muddled with lxml I think
[12:48] <zul> yeah
[12:59] <jamespage> zul, I think we can just drop the BD - beautiful soup is only required for testing and is an alternative implementation
[13:02] <zul> jamespage:  looking
[13:03] <jamespage> zul, I got it
[13:03]  * jamespage is going to nail this
[13:03] <jamespage> zul, /usr/share/pyshared has gone btw
[13:04] <jamespage> I keep hitting packages that assume that will be present
[13:04] <zul> like what?
[13:05] <zul> jamespage:  yeah doko was rebuilding some packagages since pyshared has gone
[13:06] <jamespage> zul, the d/rules in that package uses it to locate django-admin to run the tests
[13:07] <jamespage> and then ignores the results anyway
[13:07] <zul> jamespage:  when i was looking at this bs4 was being used for python3 compat and beautifulsoup was being used for python2 compat
[13:08] <jamespage> in django-compressor?
[13:08] <zul> yeah
[13:08] <zul> too bad i dont have the patch anymore
[13:08] <zul> the /usr/share/pyshared stuff is just a no change rebuild fyi
[13:08] <zul> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/trusty-changes/2014-February/010799.html
[13:10] <jamespage> zul, uploaded - less than ideal but as its not the default parser I'm failing to care this late in release
[13:10] <zul> ditto
[13:11] <jamespage> gonna raise a bug against this and lxml to say they have optional dependencies on beautifulsoup
[13:46] <gnuoy`> I'm trying to port trusty squid3 to our internal suite (mainly to enable ssl support). But our dak doesn't support xz compression. Previously I've twiddled dh_builddeb -- -Z to gzip and profited but the packaging for squid3 is more complex. As far as I can see the Makefile.am already have "AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS = dist-bzip2 ..." which I'd have thought was dictating bzip rather than xz
[13:46] <gnuoy`> The message from dak is:
[13:46] <gnuoy`>  squid_3.3.8-1ubuntu6~0.14.04.IS.PATCHED_i386.deb: third chunk is 'data.tar.xz', expected 'data.tar.gz', 'data.tar.bz2', or 'data.tar.lzma'.
[13:47] <gnuoy`> If anyone has a tick could they point me in the right direction pls ?
[13:47] <rbasak> gnuoy`: without looking, I would guess that your AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS line is entirely unrelated to your debian packaging ending up xz compressed.
[13:48] <cfhowlett> !trusty|gnuoy`,
[13:48] <gnuoy`> rbasak, ah, a red herring
[13:48] <rbasak> That line sounds more related to upstreams making a release tarball.
[14:24] <miceiken> hi guys
[14:24] <miceiken> im trying to set up dovecot
[14:24] <miceiken> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
[14:24] <miceiken> and all the stuff they refer to into config
[14:24] <miceiken> i cant find it
[14:25] <mardraum> all the stuff?
[14:30] <miceiken> marcoceppi_, like the ssl part, I added that by hand. but the protocol imap, pop3 etc
[14:30] <miceiken> *err mardraum
[14:44] <rbasak> mdeslaur_, lamont: I'd appreciate your thoughts on bug 1288823 please.
[14:44] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/1288823
[14:44] <rbasak> (it's a request for --enable-rrl configuration option, rate-limit stanza to mitigate DNS amplication attacks)
[14:48] <lamont> rbasak: doh.  Given that we took the patch before it came into upstream, yeah.  we want that.
[14:49] <lamont> that is, 9.9.5 may have dropped it because of the merge upstream did....  if  you prep the patch, I'd be happy to stuff it into debian
[14:49] <rbasak> lamont: so we actually have a regression here?
[14:49] <mdeslaur_> I just added a comment to the bug
[14:49] <lamont> maybe.  that would be something to confirm
[14:49] <mdeslaur_> yes, we should add --enable-rrl
[14:50] <mdeslaur_> I'm not keen on limiting it by default in the config though, that's for a site admin to do
[14:50] <rbasak> OK, thanks. Do you want to take it, or shall I leave it open for the server team?
[14:50] <rbasak> (to: lamont I think)
[14:53] <lamont> I can make time to do it on the weekend, but it'll be sunday afternoon
[14:53] <rbasak> That sounds fine to me - thanks.
[14:54] <rbasak> Do we need an FFe for this?
[14:54] <lamont> enabled, absolutely.  rate limit by default? hell no
[14:54] <lamont> the only change will be this bug
[14:54] <lamont> and any other crits that are trivial that I can find in a few minutes of looking, to be fair
[14:54] <rbasak> OK. Thank you!
[15:40] <jamespage> rbasak, I sent you an email re some thinking I did about virtual-mysql-*
[15:44] <jamespage> zul, noddy fix - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/cinder/fixup-getent/+merge/209951
[15:57] <jamespage> zul, I should probably know but whats python-openstackclient ?
[16:07] <zul> jamespage:  its like the accumulation of all the clients
[16:07] <zul> jamespage:  one client to rule them all
[16:11] <zul> jamespage:  its probably a good idea to have it
[16:11] <jamespage> zul, maybe
[16:11] <jamespage> zul, so
[16:12] <jamespage> we have some inconsistency about when xxxx-manage db sync or whatever happens in maintainer scripts
[16:12] <zul> jamespage:  yep
[16:12] <jamespage> zul, glance does not do it if its sqllite
[16:12] <jamespage> if ! grep sql_connection /etc/glance/glance-registry.conf | grep -qv "sql_connection = sqlite:////var/lib/glance/glance.sqlite"
[16:13] <jamespage> zul, keystone always does it
[16:13] <jamespage> if ! grep -q sql_connection /etc/keystone/keystone.conf
[16:13] <jamespage> (as the string is 'connection' not sql_connection)
[16:13] <jamespage> zul, I like glances approach I think
[16:14] <zul> jamespage:  i agree
[16:15] <rbasak> jamespage: please could you subscribe ~ubuntu-server to nginx?
[16:15] <jamespage> rbasak, oh - go on then :-)
[16:15] <rbasak> Thank you!
[16:16] <jamespage> rbasak, done
[16:24] <jamespage> zul, which oauth is keystone using now?
[16:24] <jamespage> context
[16:24] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/1223010
[16:24] <zul> jamespage:  oauthlib
[16:24] <zul> marked it fix release
[16:25] <jamespage> done
[16:26] <zul> jamespage:  if you are on a bug warpath today i think there are some bugs assigned to the cloud-archive project
[16:27] <jamespage> zul, looking there next
[16:27] <zul> coolio
[17:56] <miceiken> Okay, so I'm trying to set up Dovecot following the ubuntu wiki tutorial. And one of the first thing it says is to amend the line with 'protocols =' but there is no such line
[18:22] <jamespage> zul, gonna kick of the testing in the lab as well
[18:23] <zul> jamespage:  okies
[18:23] <jamespage> zul, I was able to repro on saucy
[18:23] <zul> yay! :)
[18:23] <jamespage> zul, something for next week - nested kvm with 3.11 ontop of 3.8 kernel on precise
[18:23] <jamespage> not so great
[18:24] <zul> jamespage:  i thought that got fixed
[18:24] <zul> smb: ?
[18:28] <jamespage> top to bottomw
[18:28] <jamespage> 3.2 3.11 3.8
[18:31] <rostam> HI does anyone has any experience with Lupin ?
[18:32] <bekks> !anyone | rostam
[18:43] <rostam> !lupin
[19:10] <sarnold> jamespage: I am anticipating doing the juju mir mid next-week
[19:25] <jamespage> sarnold, great
[19:32] <stgraber> sarnold: speaking of MIR, what about cgmanager?
[19:41] <sarnold> stgraber: sorry, still not yet started
[19:41] <sarnold> stgraber: also hopefully next week (i'm hoping it'll be quick, since I've already read much of an earlier version of the code)
[20:07] <phillw> Hi good people, I have a question as to how you specify which kernel is used in the server ISO (I need this for alternate community edition)
[21:44] <miceiken> Is there some way to move all the mail from /var/mail/* to /home/*/Maildir after changing the delivery folder?
[21:45] <sarnold> miceiken: look into formail and procmail; formail can do operations on every mail in an mbox, procmail can do delivery
[21:47] <miceiken> formail -ds old>new?
[21:49] <patdk-wk> sarnold, that is way too hard
[21:49] <patdk-wk> miceiken, just do a mbox2maildir conversion on the files in /var/mail
[21:49] <patdk-wk> then put the resulting cur/* new/* files into the Maildir folder for that user
[21:50] <patdk-wk> mb2md would be a program to do it
[21:50] <miceiken> Do I need to do this for all users?
[21:50] <miceiken> or does it automaticly do it
[21:50] <sarnold> patdk-wk: oh much better
[21:50] <patdk-wk> per file in /var/mail
[21:51] <patdk-wk> or, if you are using dovecot
[21:51] <patdk-wk> you can make dsync do it for you
[21:51] <patdk-wk> all users at once
[21:51] <patdk-wk> instructions will be on the dovecot wiki, it's a bit more tricky, but not too hard
[21:55] <miceiken> nah mb2md is great thanks patdk-wk
[21:55] <miceiken> last question, is /etc/aliases used to anything other than mail aliases?
[21:55] <patdk-wk> that depends on if your email program even bothers to use it
[21:55] <miceiken> using postfix and it does
[21:56] <miceiken> like, if I have users running services (i.e. git) but I want the mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to go to my user instead
[21:56] <patdk-wk> if you use default config, yes, postfix will use it
[21:56] <miceiken> would I come in trouble with making an alias?
[21:56] <patdk-wk> nothing else uses it
[21:56] <miceiken> k thanks
[21:56] <miceiken> should I use .forward file over it though?
[21:56] <miceiken> which would you prefer?
[21:57] <patdk-wk> heh?
[21:58] <patdk-wk> does your delivery system (mda) even support .forward?
[21:58] <miceiken> I see you can create a .forward file in the user's directory to have all messages automaticly forwarded through another user
[21:58] <patdk-wk> .forward is almost dead
[21:58] <miceiken> According to the postfix guide I'm using it is
[21:58] <miceiken> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto#Per_User_.forward_Files
[21:58] <patdk-wk> if you use the postfix mda (local) probably
[21:59] <patdk-wk> what imap/pop program are you using?
[21:59] <RoyK> hm... bowmore 15
[21:59] <miceiken> courier, patdk-wk
[22:16] <tych0> hi hallyn, getting lxc-create: Permission denied - failed to create directory '//.local/'
[22:16] <tych0> i am probably being evil and running this in a way it isn't supposed to be run
[22:16] <tych0> is there a nice way that i can run it in a way that it should work?
[22:16] <tych0> (i'm running it as the maas user, which doesn't have a home dir or anything)
[22:18] <hallyn> feh, this is probably XDG crap.
[22:18] <hallyn> stgraber: ^
[22:18] <hallyn> so if you dont' have an XDG_RUNDIR, it falls back to homedir...
[22:19] <tych0> ah
[22:19] <hallyn> tych0: setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR might help
[22:19] <tych0> ok, to something in /tmp should be ok?
[22:19] <stgraber> so it can be two things, either it's the local path trying a fallback because of missing XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[22:19] <stgraber> or it's because HOME isn't set
[22:19] <tych0> HOME probably isn't set
[22:19] <stgraber> since it's lxc-create, the latter seems more liekly
[22:19] <stgraber> *likely
[22:19] <hallyn> tmp is ok if you don't mind the container living in tmp...
[22:20] <tych0> ah
[22:20] <tych0> oh
[22:20] <tych0> ok, let me try something
[22:20] <hallyn> eh?
[22:20] <tych0> thanks
[22:20] <hallyn> ok :)
[22:20] <stgraber> tych0: you may be able to workaround this by setting -P, though the same issue will then hit you for the cache and runtime dir
[22:21] <stgraber> may be easier to just set a homedir somewhere in /var/lib for that system user :)
[22:22] <hallyn> yeah
[22:23] <hallyn> even libvirt-qemu has a homedir there :)
[22:25] <tych0> ha, ok :-)


[00:00] <spiv> Good morning
[00:30] <poolie> hi spiv, all
[03:45] <RenatoSilva> what's the purpose of bzr PPA if there's bzr available in ubuntu already?
[03:46] <poolie> RenatoSilva: a few things
[03:46] <poolie> basically they have later bzr releases than you would get from ubuntu
[03:46] <poolie> eg there's a nightly ppa
[03:46] <poolie> also there are ppas with updated bzrs for historic ubuntu releases
[03:47] <RenatoSilva> so just a matter of most updated versions?
[03:47] <poolie> pretty much
[03:48] <poolie> you can get the current stable release, the current beta, or a nightly
[03:48] <poolie> also the corresponding plugins
[03:48] <poolie> whereas historic ubuntu releases will only get bugfix updates
[03:48] <poolie> (and even there there is some lag as they're qa'd before getting into -updates)
[03:49] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks, will deactivate the PPA for now
[06:51] <vila> hi all !
[06:53] <spiv> Hey vila
[06:53] <vila> _o/
[06:55] <poolie> hi vila, spiv
[07:15] <maxb> Morning all :-)
[07:16] <maxb> spiv: As you may have seen from u-d-d@, when I went to revert append-revisions-only I discovered it was trapping a genuine case of concern :-/
[07:18] <poolie> hullo maxb
[07:19] <maxb> Hi poolie
[07:20] <poolie> did i understand your point?
[07:20] <spiv> maxb: yeah, I saw
[07:20] <poolie> i didn't get around yet to looking at the specific failures to see how they line up
[07:20] <spiv> maxb: makes me a little happier that I did it ;)
[07:20] <maxb> On a different matter, I reopened bug 524173
[07:21] <poolie> i saw
[07:21] <poolie> i can't win :/
[07:21] <poolie> i havent' gone back to it yet
[07:21] <maxb> Third time's the charm? :-)
[07:22] <maxb> I think it'll really be dead this time
[07:23] <maxb> I think you did understand what I was saying about append-revisions-only - to paraphrase, it's not right that 0.1.2ubuntu1 revisions start showing up in Debian branches unless they're actually in the changelogs uploaded to Debian
[07:26] <maxb> vila: I've now worked through my backlog of PPA uploads :-)
[07:27] <vila> maxb: \o/
[07:33]  * maxb ponders backporting natty's debhelper to maverick and lucid in the support of reduced deltas in the daily-ppa
[07:34] <poolie> could be good
[07:34] <poolie> it should perhaps go in a more general purpose ppa?
[07:34] <poolie> i wonder if someone already did it actually
[07:34] <jelmer> g'morning poolie
[07:34] <poolie> hi there
[07:38] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=debhelper  --> 221 results
[07:38] <maxb> of which bzr-builddeps is the first :-)
[07:44] <jam1> morning all
[07:46] <jelmer> hey jam
[08:08] <mrevell> ning
[08:10] <vila> hey jam, don't forget to write a pp report email
[08:11] <jam1> ugh, still called jam1
[08:11] <jam> vila: can you try to ping again
[08:12] <vila> hey jam, don't forget to write a pp report email
[08:12] <jam> yay
[08:12] <jam> vila: I'm spinning up ec2 now to build the 2.3.4 installers
[08:12] <jam> vila: technically, I was only assisting Riddell for doing PP
[08:13] <vila> jam: oh right, keep assisting him then :)
[08:13] <vila> hey Riddell, don't forget to write a pp report email
[08:13] <vila> :D
[08:15] <jam> I don't think Riddell is online yet
[08:17] <spiv> Hmm, my attempt at a concise description of the conditions for bug 806348 still ended up as a screenful of text :/
[08:18] <spiv> jam: If you have the time, I'd love it if you can look at that bug and my comments and tell me if there's an obvious fix I'm failing to se
[08:18] <spiv> *see
[08:20] <jam> spiv: off-hand the big question I have is why can we fetch "[D, A]" rather than always having to do "[D, (A,C)]"
[08:21] <spiv> What's the (A,C) notation mean there?
[08:21] <jam> well, I assume [D, A] is fetch D excluding A
[08:21] <spiv> Ah, no.
[08:21] <jam> so it would be Fetch D excluding C and A
[08:21] <spiv> It's a list of heads
[08:21] <spiv> Ah, actually, it's a list of revs in this context :)
[08:21] <maxb> Is it significant that various of the UDD BzrCheckErrors refer to different kinds of missing keys?
[08:22] <jam> maxb: different kinds? probably. missing texts is a very different issue than missing chk pagse
[08:22] <jam> at least, very different logic involved (usually)
[08:22] <jam> Morning Riddell
[08:22] <spiv> (In the case of the [D,A] example the initial set of heads to fetch is also the set of revisions fetched from the first stacked repo)
[08:22] <jam> spiv: I'm not quite sure how you get a "fetch [D, A]" because of tags?
[08:23] <spiv> jam: right
[08:23] <Riddell> good morning jam
[08:23] <jam> spiv: so does this not happen without your tags logic?
[08:23] <jam> Riddell: vila would like to remind you to write a Patch-pilot summary email
[08:23] <Riddell> actually I'm just starting my patch pilot week
[08:24] <jam> Riddell: well, you and I worked on it a bit last week, and I went ahead and scheduled vila for this week, because he's gone again next week
[08:24] <spiv> jam: I have a suspicion this can also happen without starting with multiple heads, not only out of general paranoia rather than evidence
[08:24] <jam> but you can partner with him.
[08:24] <jam> spiv: "but only" ?
[08:25] <spiv> jam: yes, sorry :)
[08:25] <jam> spiv: I'm just suspicious because we didn't really see this before your patch landed. We saw it for bzr-svn but because bzr-svn was rewriting inventories.
[08:25] <spiv> Right.
[08:25] <jam> and we saw it when chk pages collapsed, because one of our "optimizations" accidentally forgot to actually rewrite the tree
[08:26] <spiv> Like I say, no evidence, so I'm happy to discount the possiblity for now: if it does happen, it's clearly not happening much.
[08:26] <jam> spiv: so in reading your write-up, it isn't clear to me what the content is in various branches, where the stacking boundaries are, etc.
[08:26] <spiv> (But at the same time, I feel like the theoretical foundations of the logic used here aren't as solid as they should be, hence my general suspicion.)
[08:26] <jam> also, yeah, we could certainly have edge cases in the fetch code, that are just being provoked by new fetch requests.
[08:27] <spiv> jam: ok, in that case perhaps skip the English and read the failing test in the branch :/
[08:27] <spiv> It's bzrlib.tests.per_repository_reference.test_fetch.TestFetchFromRepoWithUnconfiguredFallbacks.test_parent_inventories_with_identical_contents(RemoteRepositoryFormat-default) that fails.
[08:32] <spiv> maxb: FWIW, I think at least some of those bugs are the same, or at least closely related, possibly even including the missing texts
[08:33] <spiv> maxb: the simplest way to find out is likely to be fix the test that's failing in lp:~spiv/bzr/stacked-fetch-same-chks and seeing how many failures that fixes :)
[08:34]  * spiv -> EOD
[08:34] <poolie> cheerio spiv
[08:47] <jam> maxb: python-bzrlib.tests got installed, btw
[08:47] <jam> have a good night spiv
[08:56] <jam> poolie: I was bringing up desolation again, and I was thinking, how do we know how much data we're using in S3? It seems a bit confusing since everything gets stored as 100s of 10MB chunks.
[08:56] <jam> so while I deregister old AMIs that we don't want to use anymore
[08:56] <jam> I don't know if that actually frees the S3 space
[08:56] <poolie> the short answer is that in the last few months the usage has cost so little i have not bothered claiming it
[08:56] <poolie> something like $8/m
[08:56] <poolie> including run itme
[08:56] <poolie> *time
[08:56] <jam> actually, looking at ec2.bazaar-vcs.org it looks like we have "desolation-2010-07-27" still on there.
[08:57] <poolie> when it was running continuously it was more significant
[08:57] <jam> poolie: yeah, I've been pretty good about not even letting it run overnight
[08:57] <poolie> thanks for that
[08:57] <jam> as I can bring it up, bootstrap it, build and shut it down
[08:57] <poolie> jam, re "caught before production deployment" etc, see my later mail with the timeline from robert
[08:57] <poolie> it was a bit confusing before
[08:57] <jam> yeah
[08:58] <jam> and as you say, it does, indeed, cost almost as much to break in QA as it does in prod
[08:58] <jam> at least human-time wise
[08:58] <jam> I guess, rolling back appservers takes more losa time
[08:58] <jam> since they have to kick off a script to rollback each one
[09:01] <jelmer> jam: evolution has recently started displaying your emails as only having a signature and an empty body. has something changed in your setup recently?
[09:02] <jelmer> As in, the last couple of days.
[09:02] <jelmer> If not, perhaps I've hit a bug in evolution in oneiric
[09:02] <jam> jelmer: nothing changed on my Laptop, a couple times I respond via my phone, but that wouldn't have a signature
[09:02] <jam> I think you have a bug in oneiric
[09:03] <jelmer> I'll report it - thanks for confirming
[09:19]  * jam => lunch, bbiab
[09:44] <gour> morning...i plan to contribute to github project using bzr-git...i did a small test...forked repo, pulled from it with bzr branch, edit, commit, dpush back and it looks ok...is bzr-git adequate for such a work where i'd fork, make small change, dpush back and launched 'pull request' to upstream?
[09:45] <jelmer> gour: yeah, I've been doing that with dulwich itself for a while
[09:46] <gour> jelmer: cool...i'm really hesitant to use git (it's way too complex for my taste distracting from the main work)..btw, thanks a lot for bzr-git...what would be required for 'git push'? lot of work?
[09:46] <jelmer> gour: you mean 'bzr push' to a git repo?
[09:46] <gour> jelmer: yep
[09:47] <jelmer> gour: we need to be able to represent all data that is present in the bzr branch in git
[09:47] <jelmer> so file ids, revision properties, etc need to all be stowed in the git revisions somewhere
[09:47] <gour> will 2.4 help in that regard?
[09:48] <jelmer> gour: this wouldn't require any bzr changes, just bzr-git changes
[09:48] <jelmer> there is some initial work done in bzr-git towards this, but it's unfinished
[09:48] <gour> jelmer: ok...otoh, for the above scenario, bzr-git is great...much better than forcing oneself to git
[09:49] <gour> bzr-hg is behind git plugin?
[09:51] <jelmer> gour: behind in what sense?
[09:52] <gour> jelmer: functionality...is it possible to use 'bzr dpush' ?
[09:52] <jelmer> gour: ah
[09:52] <jelmer> gour: it's possible, but more experimental in bzr-hg
[09:53] <gour> ok
[10:34]  * jam => back
[12:26] <vila> Riddell: If you want to keep co-piloting this week, I'm happy to help
[12:29] <Riddell> vila: maybe we could pair on it tomorrow?
[12:30] <vila> Riddell: perfect
[12:46] <jam> vila: poke with a blunt stick
[12:47] <jam> question about: https://code.launchpad.net/~jameinel/bzr/2.4-no-open-master/+merge/67689
[12:47] <jam> does it need a test before we can land it?
[12:47] <jam> I'm not 100% sure how to write one easily
[12:57] <odony> Hi everyone, I'm trying 2.4b5, and so far so good, except now I'm trying to push on an existing LP branch, and this single commit push is taking ages and uploading lots of stuff
[12:58] <odony> it's saying "Fetching revisions:Inserting stream:Estimate 12467/12570" and the max numbers keeps increasing... any way to find out what's happening?
[12:59] <odony> with 2.3 pushing to that branch was always very fast, the repo/branch format did not change AFAICS... bzr push -v does not give me any more info
[13:04] <vila> jam: my concerns here are two-folds: 1) You get read of the remote access, a test should guard that we don't regress
[13:05] <vila> 2) by not doing the access you open the url-slightly-broken cases we encounter in that other bug
[13:05] <spiv> odony: 2.4 pushes revisions named by tags (if they aren't already present)
[13:06] <spiv> odony: perhaps you have some strange tags?
[13:06] <jam> odony: yeah, I'm guessing you have tags in the branch that are meant to be present in the development focus branch
[13:07] <odony> hmm yes that might be the case
[13:07] <odony> out CI system tags build failures, and this is the dev focus branch indeed
[13:07] <spiv> jam: or potentially even irrelevant tags from a failed 'bzr merge' from an unrelated branch :/
[13:08] <odony> is there a way to disable this? I'm concerned of locking our main dev branch for so long... been uploading for 30+ minutes uninterrupted
[13:09] <jam> odony: this only happens once, but no, there isn't a specific way to disable it.
[13:10] <odony> any idea how much overhead we are talking about here? this branch has a few thousands revisions, but probably only a few hundreds of them have tags
[13:10] <jam> odony: the specific issue is that we fetch revisions which were tagged, that were not already present.
[13:10] <jam> it sounds like you might have a tag that points at unrelated history.
[13:10] <odony> last time I killed it upload had stalled after 50Mb+
[13:11] <jam> eg, a bzr-svn branch that has a tag pointing at a bzr revision
[13:13] <odony> jam: I think I see what you mean... is there an easy way to find out if that's the case? I don't think we have any imported revisions
[13:14] <jelmer> odony: if "bzr tags" reports revisions with "?" as the revision
[13:14] <spiv> It might be an interesting little project to write a plugin to identify which tags are least related to your current tip.
[13:14] <jelmer> odony: any revisions with a revision number reported by "bzr tags" are part of the tips ancestry
[13:14] <odony> jelmer: thanks, let's see...
[13:14] <spiv> Legitimate tags can be like that, e.g. tags of releases.
[13:15] <spiv> (When the release branch diverged at least a little from the trunk)
[13:15] <jelmer> ah, sorry - yes
[13:15] <spiv> But certainly any tag with a revno is definitely ok :)
[13:15] <jelmer> odony: What I described will report any revisions that are now tagged that previously weren't, not necessarily only revisions that are unrelated to your current branch
[13:16] <odony> "bzr tags|wc -l"  gives 1758 tags, and  "bzr tags|grep '?$' |wc -l" 146 tags
[13:18] <odony> jelmer: I'm not sure I'm following, many of the ? tags are release tags coming from other branches, and some look like valid tags added by our QA system, but still they don't have a revision
[13:20] <jelmer> odony: they will only have a revision if they are part of the history of your current branch
[13:20] <jelmer> if they are related but not in the history they will still show "?" because you can't use a revision number to refer to them
[13:22] <odony> jelmer: I see, but why would they be in the branch if they're not related to its history? Is that because it's the dev focus branch?
[13:23] <jelmer> odony: the tags would be pulled in by e.g. a "bzr merge" which was reverted, or manual "bzr tag" commands for revisions that weren't in the history
[13:24] <odony> jelmer: oh I see, merges that were reverted are probably common patterns here.. didn't know that would leave unused tags in your branch
[13:26] <jelmer> odony: it's a bug in bzr that that happens, but it's pretty hard to fix with the current way tags work (since tags are unversioned)
[13:28] <odony> jelmer: alright, makes sense now :-) so I guess removing all those tags with bzr tag --delete would be safe? (assuming they're not bound to any revision, they're mostly useless?)
[13:28] <jelmer> odony: they're bound to a revision, but that revision can't be addressed using a short revno
[13:29] <spiv> You can see the revision-id with 'bzr tags -v'
[13:29] <jelmer> odony: you can indeed safely remove them, "bzr tag --delete" only deletes tags, never history
[13:29] <spiv> er,
[13:29] <spiv> bzr tags --show-ids, anyway :)
[13:30] <odony> spiv: ah yes, --show-ids works, great
[13:30] <spiv> But yes, if you don't think the tags should be on that branch, then removing those tags from that branch sounds like a good idea :)
[13:32] <odony> spiv: well, they're not very important, but I'd rather keep them if it doesn't help speeding up the push ;-)
[13:33] <odony> so jam was saying that these tags might further slow the push? that's because they need a long revision id to work, so possible require the upload of a side branch along with the main one?
[13:33] <odony> s/possible/possibly
[13:33] <jam> odony: the most likely issue is that these revisions are present on your local machine (for whatever reason)
[13:34] <jam> but never got  pushed into the dev focus's repository
[13:34] <jam> so *right now* you are pushing them there, correct?
[13:34] <jam> at which point, all future branches based off of this dev focus
[13:34] <jam> won't try to include them
[13:34] <jam> (as they'll already be in the dev focus)
[13:35] <odony> jam: I'm not supposed to have any of these tags only on my machine, because they're mostly added by our QA system externally
[13:35] <odony> so if they're somewhere, it shouldn't be on my machine only... I almost never manually tag
[13:35] <odony> does that make sense?
[13:37] <odony> (btw, my current branch is part of a shared repo with other branches, don't know if they are shared between them)
[13:46] <jam> vila: http://paste.ubuntu.com/646517/
[13:46] <jam> we should have had effort tests long ago
[13:46] <jam> that is "bzr switch --create-branch -d checkout new-feature"
[13:46] <jam> which, in theory, should open checkout, and then create new-feature, and switch to it.
[13:47] <jam> It calls "Branch.open()" for checkout 10 times
[13:47] <jam> master 2 times
[13:47] <jam> and feature 3 times
[13:47] <jam> ugh
[13:47] <jelmer> ouch
[13:47] <vila> hehe, err :-/
[13:47] <jam> my patch reduces that a bit
[13:48] <jam> and, of course, you can't pdb in run_bzr... :(
[13:48] <vila> yeah, painful
[13:49] <vila> Last time I suffered from this I wondered if it may possible to patch pdb to use sys.stdin/sys.stdout (the original) to stay immune from redirections
[13:50] <jam> vila: we explicitly patch sys.stdin/stdout. I think we could instead have a "run_bzr(no_redirect=True)" or something like that
[13:50] <jam> to avoid the monkeypatching
[13:50] <jam> hmm... it seems we do legitimately open the master branch, because we want to check if the local heavyweight branch has any commits that aren't in master, before we let you switch away (and lose them, in theory)
[13:51] <jam> (i'm not 100% sure about the validity that we would lose them...)
[13:51] <jam> I suppose the test is if this is heavyweight
[13:51] <jam> and you are going to point it at another branch
[13:51] <jam> you don't want to lose commits you had locally, that hadn't been pushed to master
[13:51] <jam> since you can 'bzr switch' bound branches.
[13:51] <jam> anyway
[13:52] <jam> I'm guessing we're also running into caching issues. As in, master branch is supposed to be cached, but isn't because we don't lock things correctly.
[13:52] <jam> anyway, I don't need to fix all of that right now
[13:52] <vila> no, no, we don't want no_redirect, at least almost never, but python keep track of the originals somewhere and pdb should use them (unless we want to have pdb redirected for a given test)
[13:52] <jam> I can still assert that my patch is better than it was
[13:52] <jam> vila: I mean "no_redirect" as a way to debug manually
[13:52] <jam> not something you leave in the test suite
[13:53] <jam> but somethingthat "I just want to debug this"
[13:53] <vila> jam: I've tried patching the redirection a few times to debug, never worked well :-/
[13:53] <jam> well, that I don't doubt
[13:53] <jam> you can't make assertions about the output if we don't collect it
[13:53] <jam> etc
[13:54] <vila> yup
[13:54] <vila> jam: I'm happy for you to land with this test added
[13:55] <vila> jam: as a rule, I'd prefer an ugly test revealing issues than no test at all, and here, the test doesn't look ugly (the result on the other hand... ;)
[13:56] <vila> jam: I thought branch provides different transports including one with at the branch base which may avoid the double strip
[13:56] <vila> user_transport as opposed to control_transport or something ?
[13:58] <jam> vila: it is certainly possible to avoid creating a new SSH connection, etc. In fact, master_branch is cached as a Branch attribute
[13:58] <jam> but caches only live as long as the branch is locked
[13:59] <jam> and creating 10 Branch.open() of 'checkout' indicates we are probably not sharing branches where we think we are
[14:03] <jam> jelmer: did you update the bzr-rewrite plugin to not use "bzrlib.trace.info" ?
[14:03] <jam> I'm getting "ImportError: cannot import name info" on the latest bzr
[14:03] <jam> of course, my plugin is called "rebase" so it is probably really old
[14:03] <jam> (yeah, I think the latest version is fine)
[14:04] <jam> jelmer: do you have time to chat about :https://code.launchpad.net/~jameinel/bzr/2.5-up-to-date-609187/+merge/67844
[14:04] <jam> specifically the ~ubuntu-branches stuff
[14:05] <jam> because if we use a short URL, we won't see "~ubuntu-branches",but also the package importer doesn't always use ~ubuntu-branches
[14:05] <jam> (At least, there was a recent thread about people making their own branch the official package import, which the importer would then overwrite as needed.)
[14:05] <jam> which may be a bit wonky
[14:06] <jelmer> jam: one sec, let me check (wrt bzr-rewrite)
[14:06] <jam> (bzr-rewrite seems to be correct now, I'm not getting the warning with trunk, i was just being lazy)
[14:07] <jelmer> jam: are you pulling from lp:bzr-rewrite?
[14:07] <jelmer> jam: Ah, cool
[14:07] <jam> jelmer: yeah, just an old 'bzr-rebase' branch.
[14:07] <jelmer> jam: also, I'm happy to chat about 2.5-up-to-date-609187 now or later, whatever works best for you
[14:08] <jelmer> I think it would be really confusing to get warnings on branches that the importer doesn't take care of
[14:09] <jelmer> jam: how/where would we setup things to allow pushing to a different branch?
[14:11] <jelmer> I imagine we would still have to set up launchpad to know what the canonical branch is, if it's not the ~ubuntu-branches branch
[14:11] <jam> jelmer: so I don't really know. I'm going off of what i've gleaned from conversations in the past
[14:12] <jam> but AIUI, "lp:ubuntu/foo" may not be "lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/foo/oneiric"
[14:12] <jam> though in most cases it is.
[14:13] <jam> anyway, I would be fine changing the regex to...
[14:13] <jam> *if* there is a ~, then it must match ~ubuntu-branches
[14:13] <jam> otherwise don't warn
[14:13] <jelmer> jam: I guess it would be another roundtrip to check if the branch that was specified is the canonical packaging branch?
[14:13] <jam> jelmer: is that good enough for your concern?
[14:14] <jelmer> jam: that's fine with me
[14:14] <jam> jelmer: something like that. I'm not really sure how to do the query.
[14:16] <jelmer> jam: Anyway, nice work on that one. Sorry we didn't end up pairing on it.
[14:18] <jam> yeah, you were out of town, and I made some headway, so  I figured I'd push it through
[14:27] <odony> thanks jam, jelmer, spiv: I finally managed to finish pushing my branch, after deleting many ? tags and being more patient :-)
[15:07] <jam> jelmer: you have: <<<<<<< TREE
[15:07] <jam> * Fix i18n use when no environment variables are set. (Jelmer Vernooij, #810701)
[15:07] <jam> in bzr.dev
[15:07] <jam> but it shows up in bzr-2.4.txt
[15:07] <jelmer> hhh/win 81
[15:07] <jam> shouldn't it be in bzr-2.5.txt?
[15:08] <jam> (It just conflicted trying to merge lp:bzr/2.4 into lp:bzr, and I wanted to understand why)
[15:08] <jelmer> jam: ah, thanks
[15:08] <jelmer> yep
[15:09] <jam> jelmer: I'll clean it up and land it
[15:10] <jam> I just wasn't sure whether you meant to land it on lp:bzr/2.4, etc.
[15:10] <jam> Its easy to do
[15:10] <jam> and certainly NEWS/release-notes is a pain point in genreal
[15:10] <jam> general
[15:12] <jelmer> 2.5 is fine I think - thanks for doing the cleanup
[15:13] <jelmer> I wonder if we should file a bug about making fetching all revisions referred to by tags optional
[15:13] <jelmer> for 2.4, that is
[15:14] <odony> I have another interesting issue when pushing a (different) branch with 2.4: ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('error', "Internal check failed: Cannot add revision(s) to repository: missing referenced chk root keys: [StaticTuple('sha1:32b5964d29924e611fc4b50e92ca0aeed58c2cea',)]")
[15:15] <jelmer> odony: that's a known bug, let me find the bug
[15:16] <jelmer> was this a branch imported with bzr-svn?
[15:16] <odony> jelmer: I don't think so
[15:17] <jelmer> it could be bug 718723 ?
[15:19] <odony> jelmer: I was reading it, but it's not clear... it happened during a regular push of a single commit, something that I used to do on that branch everyday with 2.3
[15:19] <jelmer> odony: please file a bug, that sounds worrying
[15:20] <odony> it somehow seems to be related with 2.4 (perhaps the uploading of tagged revisions, as that was another branch with hundreds of tags)
[15:21] <odony> jelmer: I clicked on "report problem" when the crash report came, so I think apport may have created it on launchpad (but not sure where)
[15:25] <odony> jelmer: hmm no of course "this is not a genuine Ubuntu package", so apport didn't report it, I will do it manually
[15:44] <jelmer> odony: thanks!
[16:01] <odony> jelmer: FYI, that's bug 812385 ;-)
[16:09] <jelmer> odony: thanks again
[16:17] <jezuz> how do i pull from a readonly source?
[16:17] <jezuz> its telling me it cant lock it but it shouldnt be trying to
[16:21] <jelmer> jezuz: hi
[16:21] <jezuz> hello
[16:21] <jezuz> im having trouble :(
[16:22] <jelmer> jezuz: is the branch you are trying to pull into perhaps bound?
[16:22] <jezuz> bound?
[16:22] <jelmer> jezuz: ("bzr info" should tell you)
[16:22] <jezuz> ok
[16:22] <jelmer> if it was created with "bzr checkout", it will be bound
[16:23] <jezuz> what am i looking for?
[16:23] <jezuz> it says checkout
[16:23] <jezuz> i did change the location in the config to bzr+ssh
[16:23] <jezuz> i did this before, but i cant remember what i did
[16:23] <jezuz> since it was an http transport before...
[16:25] <jelmer> jezuz: if you're trying to update a bound branch (a checkout), use "bzr up" rather than "bzr pull"
[16:25] <jezuz> is there a flag to overwrite local changes too? or is that default?
[16:27] <jelmer> local changes in the working tree?
[16:27] <jezuz> yeah
[16:27] <jelmer> you can use "bzr revert" after the "bzr up" command
[16:27] <jezuz> k
[16:28] <jezuz> thanks
[20:30] <quotemstr> Is there an equivalent to git commit --amend?
[20:31] <luks> bzr uncommit
[20:31] <luks> bzr commit
[22:43] <poolie> hi all
[23:13] <poolie> o/ maxb
[23:13] <maxb> hello
[23:14] <poolie> i think i'll file a bug for doing the package imports in topological order and then we can see if it's feasible to change
[23:52] <quotemstr> Say I've made commits A, B, and C.  How can I go back, change A to A', then apply B and C again?
[23:52] <quotemstr> bzr uncommit will destroy B and C, yes?
[23:53] <maxb> More like "remove from this branch's history" than "destroy", but essentially yes
[23:53] <quotemstr> Basically, something like quilt(1) would be nice.
[23:54] <maxb> There's a couple of options, branch A, B, C to another temporary branch, uncommit, commit A', then merge B, commit, merge C, commit
[23:54] <quotemstr> Won't those then show up as merge commits instead of real commits?
[23:55] <maxb> Or, bzr-rewrite has a 'bzr replay' command for doing mostly that with less typing
[23:55] <maxb> They wouldn't show as merge commits if you were effectively cherrypick merging them
[23:55] <maxb> i.e. bzr merge -c-2 ../temp-branch
[23:56] <quotemstr> Ah.
[23:57] <quotemstr> That works.
[23:57] <quotemstr> Hrm, loom looks interesting too.


[17:27] <FurretUber> I found a regression on 5.6 kernel and I'm bisecting it now. While I understand Ubuntu currently does not use this version, could I ask help on reporting the bug?
[20:04] <amurray> zx2c4: might be worth reporting that in #launchpad-ops
[20:11] <cjwatson> #launchpad-ops is an internal channel
[20:12] <cjwatson> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion is preferred for this sort of thing.  However, Launchpad was designed to track things that are hosted externally to Launchpad, so it is emphatically *not* abuse just because somebody creates a Launchpad project for something that is hosted elsewhere
[20:12] <cjwatson> It might be more effective to have a small official placeholder project on Launchpad just so that people aren't tempted to make their own
[20:13] <cjwatson> This looks much more like somebody well-meaning but a bit misdirected, than somebody who deserves to have rockets sent their way and their account locked down
[20:16] <amurray> oh thanks for the correction cjwatson :)


[05:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Weekly Canonical Community Team Meetings Now On IRC - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/weekly-canonical-community-team-meetings-now-on-irc/
[05:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] New Community Council - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/new-community-council/
[07:07] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:17] <dwatkins> hmm, streaming video via NFS seems to pause at times, I wonder how I can see what's going on on the disk in more detail than iotop
[08:18] <popey> Morning everyone
[08:20] <SuprEngr> o/
[08:21] <DJones> Morning all
[08:26] <dwatkins> ooh, iftop
[08:27] <FunnyGuy> hi
[08:27] <FunnyGuy> hi
[08:27] <FunnyGuy> bye!
[08:28] <daubers> Morning
[08:30] <popey> yo
[08:34]  * SuprEngr did upgrade in place for both netbook & desktop pooters last night. no fails to report - well done to  MS's team and all involved.
[08:34]  * SuprEngr is now Oneiric'd
[08:35] <popey> \o/
[08:40]  * daubers needs to upgrade some servers soonish
[08:46] <DJones> How can I check whether I'm running 64 or 32 bit, I'm sure I should have 64 bit, but just want to double check
[08:47] <DJones> No worries, got it
[08:47] <GirlyGirl> Hi
[08:47] <GirlyGirl> DJones: in terminal "uname -a"
[08:48]  * daubers pops into town to spend some money
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:27] <brobostigon> o/
[09:53] <ikonia> how amazingly frustrating, I went to place an order with scan after waiting for a part to come in stock, to find out that the motherboard I wanted is now out of stock and won't be coming back in stock, and the CPU I was ordering is on today only so reduced....
[09:55] <ikonia> lesson learnt....never wait for parts,
[11:12] <esteeven>  Hello. I am using the fglrx driver and it works but there is a lag when moving windows around ie the cursor gets ahead of the window. It's a bit disconcerting.
[11:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:46] <christel> heya lovely laura
[11:46] <czajkowski> christel: hey darling
[11:49] <christel> :)
[12:12] <DJones> Anybody around able to help with a grub2 problem of a fresh 11.10 install, I'm getting an error on boot "error: symbol not found: grub_divmod64_full"
[12:12] <AlanBell> 64bit capable machine?
[12:13] <DJones> No
[12:13] <DJones> Fairly old Dell 210L, 32 bit installation from the alternate cd
[12:13] <AlanBell> wonder what that "64" is doing in there
[12:14] <DJones> Its a good question, the cd has been used on another machine and installed with no problems
[12:14] <DJones> Just gets left at the grub rescue prompt
[12:14] <AlanBell> bug 768716
[12:15] <DJones> Good spot, I'll have a read
[12:16] <AlanBell> have a look at 768716 as well as the new one
[12:17] <DJones> bug 768716
[12:17] <AlanBell> over-helpful bot
[12:21] <DJones> Time to download the minimal iso
[12:21] <penguin42> AlanBell: I suspect the 64 is just dividing 64bit values - like block addresses
[12:24] <penguin42> DJones: Just checking, you are on grub2?
[12:28] <AlanBell> penguin42: yeah, plenty of reasons for a 64 to be there, just the first thing that sprung to mind
[12:31] <DJones> penguin42: Yes, grub 2, fresh 11.10 install
[12:31] <DJones> Just trying to see how to use the minimal iso to reinstall grub now
[12:31] <penguin42> DJones: Erk
[12:31] <penguin42> DJones: OK, before you reinstall
[12:31] <DJones> ok, go on
[12:32] <penguin42> DJones: Can you take a copy of your /boot/grub as a tar and attach it to the bug
[12:32] <DJones> I shall try, I'll see if I can get access to the hdd to tar it up
[12:33] <penguin42> DJones: Thanks - it needs some analysis to find out wtf that symbol went!
[12:33] <DJones> Just booting up with a livecd
[12:33] <penguin42> DJones: Other than raid is there anything else odd about your machine ? zfs/btrfs/painted green?
[12:34] <DJones> Not that I know of, Dell Optiplex 210L, 2 sata drives, 1 dvd/cd burner & 1 pata drive
[12:34] <penguin42> ok
[12:35] <DJones> Just stuck a live cd in and I don't even know which version it is
[12:35] <penguin42> DJones: Also, do you have a separate /boot?
[12:37] <DJones> No, 80gb sata is pationed as 25Gb "/", 4Gb "swap" and the rest as "/home", 2nd sata is 100gb & 200Gb data partitions, all as ext4, pata drive is a media storage partitioned as ext3
[12:38] <penguin42> please comment all that in the bug
[12:39] <penguin42> DJones: It's a pity the bugs are duped that way around - there is more info in the bug 768716 - my guess is that it's got half of the new grub on each of your drives
[12:55] <DJones> penguin42: Which bug number would you prefer I attach this bug report to
[12:55] <penguin42> DJones: 836378
[12:56] <DJones> ok, will do
[12:58] <ujjain> what does "all but stopped mean"?
[12:59] <AlanBell> ujjain: means "very nearly stopped"
[12:59] <AlanBell> but not quite
[13:00] <ujjain> "EU memberships talks have all but stopped." < ok, I get it now :)
[13:00] <ujjain> thanks!
[13:11] <DJones> penguin42: Bug report submitted with attachment, now to reinstall grub, going to try the boot-repair-disk iso suggested on the grub2 wiki
[13:12] <penguin42> DJones: Thanks
[13:22] <penguin42> DJones: It looks kind of sane
[13:24] <DJones> penguin42: Ah well, at least its there if needed, just waiting for the boot repair to finish to see if solves it
[13:24] <DJones> :)
[13:24] <DJones> Wrong window
[13:50] <DJones> penguin42: The repair cd did its job anyway, up & running with no problems now
[13:51] <penguin42> DJones: Good! Please add a comment on the bug to say that
[14:12] <Monsterwizard> anyone here good at discete maths?
[14:13] <isleofmandan> A friend of mine has managed to persuade another friend to install Ubuntu 11.10 as dual boot on a Windows machine. Trouble is, there's no Windows option at boot time now, goes straight to Ubuntu. This machine will be coming my way at the weekend - any idea where to look first?  (Windows files can be seen in Ubuntu, so at least is sounds like Win partition is intact!)
[14:14] <isleofmandan> Monsterwizard - I've a maths degree, but it was a long time ago... If it's easy, and still in my memory, you could try me...!
[14:14] <Azelphur> !fix_grub| isleofmandan
[14:14] <Azelphur> aww, can't remember the factoid for that :(
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> Ok well I'm doing strings and languages
[14:14] <isleofmandan> pass :) Sorry!
[14:14] <Azelphur> isleofmandan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> I just need to see if the three questions I did were correct
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> ok
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> :p
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> http://mathbin.net/74649
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> anyway ^
[14:14] <Monsterwizard> if anyone is interested
[14:15] <Azelphur> isleofmandan: oh nice! there's a tool that does it now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[14:15] <Azelphur> press button fix boot XD
[14:15] <penguin42> Monsterwizard: Interesting, don't know anything about it, almost looks like the formalisations behind regexps etc
[14:16] <isleofmandan> Thanks Azelphur.  No idea why it didn't at Windows to boot menu though. I've never seen that behaviour before.
[14:18] <isleofmandan> Monsterwizard: I looked. Definitely not my thing. :)
[14:18] <Monsterwizard> thank though everyone
[14:19] <penguin42> Monsterwizard: You might also look at dalnet irc - I think there might be a #math
[14:19] <Monsterwizard> I'm on to it
[14:20] <Monsterwizard> irc.dalnet.com ?
[14:20] <penguin42> Monsterwizard: http://www.dal.net/servers/
[14:27] <ujjain> "sheldon threw his back out, handing him that book" (what does throwing your back out mean?)
[14:29] <penguin42> hurting it
[14:29] <penguin42> like if you pick something up wrong or force someone to carry a heavy book
[14:31] <ujjain> ah right, I get it
[14:31] <ujjain> thanks.
[14:31] <ujjain> I have another question, what makes a hostname resolve? I reinstalled my PC and Samba
[14:31] <ujjain> but I can only access the computer via
[14:31] <ujjain> \\<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:32] <ujjain> and not anymore via \\DEVELOPER, with the hostname
[14:49] <matti> AlanBell: You may laugh, but getting only 100 CD signed by Mark to sell them for a little bit more money in order to raise money for something, whoild not be such a bad idea :) Remember, that people value originality over anything else :)
[14:50] <AlanBell> even one or two scattered randomly in the collection
[14:54] <Azelphur> matti: that does sound quite cool
[15:14] <matti> Azelphur: I know :0
[15:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dominic Watkins] Manual rename command on OS X using bash - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/10/15/manual-rename/
[16:04] <popey> ☺
[16:06] <alexluckett> Hi guys, wondering if anyone could help me? Ubuntu 11.10 won't work on my laptop (freezes, crashes) - Ubuntu 11.04 will. Got a feeling it's due to the new 3.0 kernel in 11.10
[16:06] <alexluckett> Is there any way to run 11.10 with the kernel from ubuntu 11.04?
[16:07] <hamitron> probably easier to use a custom kernel
[16:07] <hamitron> or stick with 11.04
[16:08] <hamitron> but it is way more fun to find out the problem
[16:08] <hamitron> ;)
[16:09] <alexluckett> Sorry, I'm a lil bit of a Linux noob. I wouldn't know how to do that :(.
[16:09] <alexluckett> I've just come from Windows as my main OS, to Ubuntu... still learning, haha.
[16:09] <hamitron> cool :)
[16:09] <AlanBell> you would probably be better off running 11.04 than a hybrid of 11.10 with the 11.04 kernel
[16:10] <AlanBell> but definitely file a bug
[16:10] <hamitron> and AlanBell explains things better than me
[16:10] <hamitron> :D
[16:11] <AlanBell> alexluckett: does 11.10 boot up at all?
[16:11] <alexluckett> Ah okay, thank you anyway! I'll file a bug
[16:11] <AlanBell> enough to run "ubuntu-bug linux" from a terminal
[16:12] <alexluckett> AlanBell: yes, however it freezes pretty much after I've logged in - mouse is the only thing that moves, can't do anything else
[16:12] <AlanBell> might not be the kernel then, might be grahpics drivers if the mouse is moving
[16:13] <AlanBell> have you tried unity 2d rather than unity?
[16:13] <alexluckett> Yep, both the same.
[16:13] <alexluckett> I could be wrong, but it sounds like my hard drive turns off, and my hard drive activity indicator on my laptop case stops flashing
[16:13] <alexluckett> I thought it might have been that?
[16:16] <AlanBell> when it happens can you use ctrl+alt+f1 to flip to a terminal?
[16:17] <alexluckett> nope
[16:17] <alexluckett> Can't do anything but hit the emergency restart button and move my mouse
[16:19] <AlanBell> ok, well you can file a bug on launchpad and detail the hardware you have
[16:20] <alexluckett> Okay, thank you. I already posted it the question/answers section in launchpad - does that matter?
[16:24] <AlanBell> link?
[16:24] <alexluckett> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/174499
[16:26] <AlanBell> I would leave it there for a bit, see what suggestions you get
[16:26] <alexluckett> okay, thanks for all your help :) I really appreciate it
[16:56] <SuprEngr> hmmm... not impressed with 10.04 -> 11.10 imports. evolution doesn't import any contacts or calendars, thunderbird doesn't even recognise there's anything to im[ort from :(  come on chaps [& lchapessies]... realworld needs you to put than screens & titles there... functionality really would bre nice.
[16:56] <penguin42> SuprEngr: Did you go straight from 10.04 to 11.10 ?
[16:58] <SuprEngr> penguin42, no - from 11.04 - but never used it seriously [stayed with 10.04 for main work]
[16:58] <SuprEngr> the files are therefore from 10.04
[17:00] <SuprEngr> ...as in I still have 10.04 - the partion with 11.10 was upgraded from 11.04. Thought I'd give it a serious go ready for next LTS...
[17:01] <penguin42> SuprEngr: My guess is that you'll have a better bet upgrading each apps files one step at a time - but I don't honestly know
[17:03] <SuprEngr> and this is not "whining *- a lot of peeps gave time free of charge for me to use it - I'm grateful for what does work.
[17:04] <penguin42> SuprEngr: Report them as bugs - my guess is that people test upgrades from the previous version, but not much more than that; I guess they also will try one LTS to the next
[17:04] <SuprEngr> penguin42, yeh.. i was wondering the same.  on t'other hand - a nice chance to start anew.
[17:04] <SuprEngr> ;)
[17:27] <Univoid> guys i just upgraded to 11.10 now my netbeans project c++ wont build complains about a lot unresolved references
[17:30] <penguin42> Univoid: I know *nothing* about netbeans....but
[17:30] <penguin42> Univoid: Do you have a link line which has a bunch of -lwhatever ?
[17:31] <Univoid> yes it uses pkg-config --lib --cflags gtk+-3.0 to get includes
[17:32] <penguin42> Univoid: Do you have the full link line?
[18:18] <Monsterwizard> hello world
[18:30] <dwatkins> hi Monsterwizard
[18:52] <AlanBell> just tracked an upgrade problem in one of the kids computers down to faulty ram
[18:55] <mgdm> Hmmm
[18:55] <mgdm> this machine's stuck using Monaco as the terminal font
[19:00] <penguin42> AlanBell: Oh that always causes fun - getting hash mismatches in dpkg ?
[19:02] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:03] <AlanBell> was running just fine with 11.04
[19:09] <penguin42> AlanBell: Downloading and hashing a few hundred MB of data is a reasonably good test
[19:09] <AlanBell> indeed
[19:20] <AlanBell> what is a good networked game in the repos?
[19:23] <penguin42> can someone just confirm something for me; default side for window button on OO is on the left?
[19:23] <AlanBell> yes
[19:23] <penguin42> thanks
[19:34]  * SuprEngr wonders why they took the fun of me pictures folder from 11.10 - as in "wot - no screensaver?!"
[19:36]  * SuprEngr cries at thought of no more slideshow of own prized photies :(
[19:42]  * AlanBell installs nexuiz server and client for some deathmatch stuff
[19:44] <DJones> Seems stragnge that to play deathmatch games, you have to have friends who you're prepared to kill
[19:45] <AlanBell> I have children :)
[19:45] <DJones> You're prepared to kill your children...../me calls the nspcc
[19:46] <DJones> And in case anybody reports that log, I know, its not a serious comment
[19:46] <AlanBell> they are prepared to kill me, I am only defending myself!
[19:47] <DJones> Heh
[19:47] <AlanBell> there really should be an FPS where most of the players are armed to the teeth, and someone gets to be Daddy and go round taking their weapons away
[19:51] <DJones> I've now got a vision of a game of Grand Theft Auto where a kid in nappies pulls a 458 Magnum on his father for taking away his derringer :)
[19:54] <jacobw> \o/ oneiric
[20:01] <SuprEngr> jacobw, let me know when you find the secret of the hidden [as in any at all] screensavers
[20:01]  * jacobw investigates
[20:03] <jacobw> its a one
[20:06] <jacobw> oops
[20:06] <jacobw> ahem, removing the screensaver program seems to one of the ways they've made gnome 3 better :P
[20:07] <SuprEngr> ;)
[20:13] <zleap> hello
[20:14] <zleap> hello C-S-B
[20:15] <C-S-B> hi
[20:17] <shauno> it seems there's plans for the screensaver, they just haven't come to fruition yet - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver
[20:20] <zleap> How are you
[20:25] <SuprEngr> shauno, thanks - all I found were bugs saying what I found - yours is good news
[20:29]  * SuprEngr makes note to check next time in vm tests *before* release
[20:31] <SuprEngr> knock knock - who's there - "he says he's a rugby ref" said mrs welsh - shoot the *****r sed mr welsh
[20:33] <shauno> VMs are odd.  I'd never have noticed a missing screensaver in a VM
[20:34] <SuprEngr> ...and so she shot the ref - [& saved the rugby union a load of £££]
[20:35]  * SuprEngr tops going o/t
[20:38] <SuprEngr> yep - never thought about checking a sleeping pooter in a VM  - shame, i'm proud of my my photies and like them in a slide show now & again
[20:38] <penguin42> tend not to want screensavers in VMs, it only wastes CPU on the host
[20:38] <SuprEngr> VM testing of screensavers - *sad*
[20:39] <shauno> I tend to turn even blanking off in a VM.  it's just annoying, forcing me to give it a password when I resume it
[20:39] <SuprEngr> ...till you come to the real thing
[20:41] <SuprEngr> ...but if that's the worst thing I can say about the guys and guyesses giving me a free distro... I still say well done to them.
[20:42]  * SuprEngr refrains from commenting on 10.10 & 11.04 however ;)
[20:46] <GirlyGirl> SuprEngr: Guyesses??
[20:47] <SuprEngr> GirlyGirl, yeh... it's short for / slang for GirlyGirls i 'spose :D
[21:21] <AlanBell> yay, offspring laptop all oneiriced
[21:51] <shauno> what did they do to deserve that?
[22:16] <AlanBell> didn't eat their broccoli
[22:38] <shauno> hm, sending mail from a script; I can't find any way to set a different From address when just doing content > mail user@host


[00:13] <melodie> gn
 crypicgator I know there are some nonfree drivers you might need
 check "addition drivers" in krunner
[00:16] <CrypticGator> okay lemme check that
[00:28] <CrypticGator> didn't have "addition drivers" or anything similar
 Search for jockey
[00:38] <ubuntu-gnome> slm millet
[00:39] <ubuntu-gnome> kmse varmı
[00:39] <ubuntu-gnome> hii
[00:54] <CrypticGator> I can't even figure out how to mount the ISO in the flashdrive
[01:18] <redbuds> prior to having windows 10 shoved down my throat I down loaded unetbootin and kubuntun 15.1  i made a bootable usb kubuntun drive and proceeded to try to install kubuntu 5.1 but got errors from the usb install  my hard drive is partially formatted and un recoverable and  no i was in such a haste to get rid of microsoft i did nat make a backup
[01:18] <redbuds> oops 15.1
 15.10?
[01:21] <redbuds> yes 15.10
[01:26] <redbuds> help please
[01:43] <valorie> redbuds: I would verify that ISO for starters
[01:43] <valorie> !md5
[01:45] <valorie> also check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/241944/how-to-fix-the-hard-drive-bad-sector
[01:45] <MIchaelP> Installing Daily build of 16.04 right now... See installer still has it's common issue. Where you have to format 1st
[01:46] <valorie> well, you can't install unto a messed up disk
[01:46] <valorie> fix the disk
[01:47] <MIchaelP> my disk is good
[01:47] <redbuds> how at this point i have no os
[01:48] <valorie> MIchaelP: sorry, I was replying to redbuds
[01:48] <valorie> redbuds: https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/781778-how-to-fix-a-mangled-partition-table-on-linux is another angle
[01:49] <valorie> it's not clear to me what the problem really is
[01:49] <MIchaelP> valorie: i realized that
[01:49] <redbuds> thxs vaorie
[01:49] <valorie> MIchaelP: does `sudo apt install -f` give you good results? from the commandline
[01:49] <valorie> or even just `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[01:50] <valorie> sometimes multiple times
[01:51] <MIchaelP> valorie: it is the live installer that does that.... can't past prepare unless you do mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2 1st
[01:51] <valorie> hmmm, I thought the live installer was fixed
[01:52] <valorie> please file a bug about that! we're getting closer and closer to release day
[01:53] <MIchaelP> guess not.... i noticed that samething in 15.10... and elementary os built from 14.04
[01:53] <redbuds> is there a way to run a .rxe or .bin file from the internet with out an os
[01:53] <redbuds> opps.exe
[01:54] <MIchaelP> exe files are windows
[01:55] <redbuds> i know whant to run on the internet
[01:55] <redbuds> my windows is fd up
[01:55] <MIchaelP> How can you even run internet with out os
[01:56] <MIchaelP> if it windows use your restore disk
[01:57] <redbuds> kubuntu trial tried to install and did not make a backup for windows  got errors and cant format hard drive foe linux
[01:59] <MIchaelP> What kind of errors ?
[02:02] <redbuds> partition could not be written partion file could not load but by then my hard drive was scrubbed  on a usb boot up that wont let me run (save) anything to the drive like run exe in firefox
[02:03] <redbuds> or even a .bin file  nie unetbootin
[02:04] <MIchaelP> so it wipped drive ?
[02:05] <redbuds> i can down load unet bootin as a .exe or .bin to a usb drive and even kubunntu but have no os to run .exe or .bin
[02:05] <valorie> !info usb-creator-kde
[02:06] <redbuds> yes hard drive wiped
[02:07] <MIchaelP> are you running from kubuntu live  right now ?
[02:08] <redbuds> Kubunton usb trial that does allown me to get to firfox
[02:10] <redbuds> a usb bootable stick with a shell of kubuntu
[02:10] <MIchaelP> open terminal ... sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[02:11] <redbuds> sorry to be dumb  where is terminal
[02:12] <MIchaelP> start menu.. system.... konsole
[02:14] <redbuds> start menu  from kubuntu?
[02:14] <MIchaelP> yes
[02:14] <redbuds> looking
[02:16] <redbuds> not seeing start menu did a search
[02:17] <MIchaelP> start menu... is that K in your botton left corner
[02:18] <redbuds> yes it is
[02:20] <MIchaelP> just rerun the installer... try to get you thru partioning
[02:22] <redbuds> if i run the insaller this connection will be terminated
[02:23] <MIchaelP> how is that.. i was running installer when i came here
[02:24] <redbuds> ill try
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[02:28] <MIchaelP> valorie: think if he can't install with out it messing his drive up.. or open the installer with out loosing internet connection.... i think he needs a new computer
 wooo!
 Can someone please copy the irc status in Telegram?
[02:36] <valorie> status?
[02:36] <valorie> unsure what you mean, ovidiu-florin
[03:30] <MichaelP> so far 16.04 seems pretty nice
[03:36] <valorie> yes, not too much different than 15.10 for me
[03:39] <MichaelP> valorie: seems a little faster.... plasma 5 is behind
[03:39] <valorie> right, they've not had time to backport to wily
[03:39] <valorie> unknown whether that will happen, given the short life of wily
[03:40] <valorie> !wily
[03:40] <valorie> pfff
[03:40] <valorie> goes eol in june or july
[03:41] <MichaelP> i thought 16.04 was April
[03:43] <MichaelP> Maybe if they quit acting like 3 year olds...about who stays and who goes...  They could have an up to date release
[04:01] <vertago1> does anyone have trouble with plasmashell crashing first thing on login?
[04:01] <vertago1> everytime
 Hello IRC world, this is SickRimmit checking in from Telegram
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:23] <lordievader> o/
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[14:20] <jasonZak> hey guys i need help with the way my screen is displaying in kubuntu
[14:27] <MichaelP> Kubuntu 16.04 should ship the way im setup kernel 4.5.0-040500-generic from ubuntu's mainline plasma 5.5.5 from ppa..... Running nice and smooth
[16:08] <madmouser1> anyone having issues with KMail (closing unexpectedly ) ? I think this started fter adding a Google account ...
[20:11] <kubuntu_> Bonsoir suis-je sur le bon chqt ubuntu fr M
[20:11] <Unit193> !fr
[20:12] <kubuntu_>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[20:42] <Bomber4Chats> OMG
[20:43] <Bomber4Chats> What happened to my Plasma?
[20:43] <Bomber4Chats> I think I've just got upgraded to something amazing O_O
[20:47] <Smurphy> Bomber4Chats: Plasma 5 ??? :}
[20:47] <Bomber4Chats> I was in Plasma 5, this is something different
[20:48] <Smurphy> Ah. Ok ...
[20:48] <Bomber4Chats> I'm seeing a cyan, light blue, white background
[20:48] <Bomber4Chats> the menu is on the top and black
[20:51] <Bomber4Chats> hmmm. maybe I messed up something during installation of docker. It had me select my dm
[20:51] <Bomber4Chats> (sddm, lightdm, gdm etc.)
[20:51] <Bomber4Chats> (i chose sddm)
[20:55] <Bomber4Chats_> OK, false alarm, but something interesting happened
[20:56] <Bomber4Chats_> it used to be that no matter what system I would chose on login (cairo-dock, gnome, failsafe,plasma) it would always chose plasma
[20:56] <Bomber4Chats_> I guess Kubuntu's dev team figured that bug out, because I was always defaulted to cario-dock :P
[20:57] <Bomber4Chats_> and I was surprised when I entered there
[20:57] <Bomber4Chats_> but I'm happy to be back in Plasma, though it is a kind of memory hog
[20:57] <Bomber4Chats_> which technically, is not what I was looking for when I chose Kubuntu. Might search for swtiching from Plasma to something else
[21:35] <velho_> help/
[21:36] <soee> !ask
[21:37] <velho_> I had a dual boot windows 7 + Ubuntu, but after updating to Windows 10 I lost my dual boot. How can I recover it? Thanks in advance for any help given
[21:38] <soee> !dualboot
[21:39] <soee> velho_: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[21:40] <newbie__> Hi Kubuntu users.
[21:40] <velho_> thanks soee :D
[21:40] <Guest85682> This is my first time using the chat room.
[21:40] <Guest85682> Hi Kubuntu users
[21:41] <Guest85682> I am also a beginner with kubuntu. I am facing a frustrating issue.
[21:42] <Guest85682> Often when my pc comes back from sleep mode, the trackpad is no longer working.
[21:42] <Guest85682> I can't find anything on the web to help me.
[21:42] <Guest85682> Any suggestions please?
[21:42] <velho_> soee, I already tryed boot-repair, but only windows works, I can't acess linux OS
[21:44] <soee> !touchpad
[21:44] <soee> velho_: are you running ubuntu from live USB or CD ?
[21:44] <velho_> nor running ubuntu
[21:45] <velho_> *not
[21:45] <velho_> I used the Boot-Repair Live CD
[21:46] <soee> velho_: what CD ?
[21:46] <Guest85682> Thanks ubottu, I'll have a look.
[21:47] <soee> Guest85682: aslo read through https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics
[21:47] <soee> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Touchpad_does_not_work_after_resuming_from_hibernate.2Fsuspend
[21:47] <velho_> soee this CD https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/
[21:48] <Guest85682> will this work even if I am using KDE 5? "gconftool-2 --set --type boolean /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled true"
[21:48] <soee> velho_: i do not know this sorry ;)
[21:49] <velho_> soee, thanks for the useful links!
[21:49] <velho_> gonna read them carefully
[21:51] <soee> Guest85682: nope
[23:22] <ubuntu-gnome> hi millet


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[10:58] <dholbach> brb, relocating to the office
[15:34] <niemikorpi> i have an idea for developers, where to suggest?
[16:08] <dholbach> all rightie... mails sent
[16:08] <dholbach> see you guys all tomorrow!
[16:08] <dholbach> hugs!
[18:05] <bkerensa> mhall119: I think I might come down to Florida :) got invited to speak in Orlando
[20:19] <mhall119> bkerensa: for what?
[20:21] <bkerensa> mhall119: fossetcon
[20:24] <mhall119> you too huh?  Bryan's really working hard to make it a success
[20:24] <mhall119> I'll be there, jose too I think
[20:24] <jose> oh hi
[20:24] <jose> yeah, I will
[20:26] <mhall119> I'm looking forward to it, Florida hasn't had a good foss conference in a while
[20:27] <jose> me too, I haven't been to a conference in a while :)
[20:27] <mhall119> there was susecon/opensusecon but that didn't offer much variety
[20:36] <popey> that looks cool
[20:36] <popey> mhall119: find some reason for me to go ☻
[21:57] <czajkowski> popey: cme to world, find a reason to come to that!
[21:57] <czajkowski> jcastro: you coming or is it just charles?


 I have not seen you here before.
[14:48] <brill> ChinnoDog: well my name was kasted. I have been here before though.
[15:00]  * InHisName yawns
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> Oh, k. I don't think you ever said anything as kasted either.
[15:06] <InHisName> define 'kasted'