[05:50] <magespawn> Morning all
[06:40] <superfly> morning Maaz
[06:40] <superfly> erm, morning magespawn
[06:40] <superfly> tab-fail
[08:08] <KilosX> hi superfly magespawn inetpro and others
[08:08] <superfly> hi KilosX
[08:17] <KilosX> more nuvolari
[08:24] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:46] <Symmetria> sup
[08:47] <Symmetria> lol, you know, after 17 years on irc, I realize that it never really changes, same old stupid crap, its hilarious
[08:47] <Symmetria> oops 16 years
[08:48] <Squirm> hello
[08:49] <Symmetria> I also realized that by next year I'll have been on irc half my life
[08:50] <Squirm> I started in... '05 I think
[08:50] <Symmetria> heh, Ive been on irc pretty much since 94
[08:51] <Symmetria> lol we were having oper/admin wars on efnet last night (again)
[08:54] <Squirm> lol
[08:56] <Squirm> Symmetria: realised the other day that we're actually going through TENET
[08:56] <Squirm> through the e-schools network
[08:57] <Symmetria> heh oh yeah been like that for ages
[08:57] <Squirm> helps to work at a school
[08:58] <Squirm> better speeds from the TENET mirror ^^
[09:01] <Symmetria> heh I flatline my mweb dsl from the tenet mirror anyway
[09:01] <Symmetria> tenet mirror has enough capacity to serve pretty much anywhere in the country at line rate without blinking other than saix
[09:03] <Squirm> nice
[09:03] <Squirm> then what do you always download from the tenet mirror?
[09:04] <Squirm> or just the speeds you get
[09:05] <Kerbero> Symmetria, can i iperf mirror.ac.za?
[09:06] <Kerbero> want to test the "new awesome firewall" of stellenbosch
[09:08] <Symmetria> Kerbero I'd have to run an iperf instance on it
[09:08] <Kerbero> pleas :)
[09:08] <Kerbero> *please
[09:09] <Symmetria> if you can do udp though, it would be better to do a tsunami test
[09:09] <Kerbero> jip
[09:09] <Kerbero> o
[09:09] <Kerbero> i don't know tsunami
[09:09] <Symmetria> lemme run iperf real quick
[09:10] <Symmetria> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:10] <Symmetria> Server listening on TCP port 5001
[09:10] <Symmetria> Binding to local address <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <Symmetria> TCP window size: 15.6 MByte (WARNING: requested 7.81 MByte)
[09:10] <Symmetria> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:10] <Symmetria> lemme know once you done please cant leave that running, and make sure you turn up the window sizes if you wanna push it to real max speeds
[09:10] <Kerbero> connection refused
[09:11] <Symmetria> on port 5001 on 191.209?
[09:11] <Symmetria> ooops 208?
[09:11] <Kerbero> ok
[09:11] <Symmetria> dont run to mirror.ac.za run to <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <Symmetria> mirror.ac.za = .200
[09:11] <Kerbero> it's going
[09:11] <Symmetria> [  4]  0.0-10.2 sec    112 MBytes  92.2 Mbits/sec
[09:11] <Kerbero> $ iperf -c <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <Kerbero> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:11] <Kerbero> Client connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>, TCP port 5001
[09:11] <Kerbero> TCP window size: 23.5 KByte (default)
[09:11] <Kerbero> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:11] <Kerbero> [  3] local <IP_ADDRESS> port 38509 connected with <IP_ADDRESS> port 5001
[09:11] <Symmetria> leave it running for longer than 10 seconds
[09:12] <Kerbero> [ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[09:12] <Symmetria> and turn up your window size
[09:12] <Kerbero> [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec   112 MBytes  94.2 Mbits/sec
[09:12] <Kerbero> jip that's my max
[09:12] <Kerbero> uhm
[09:12] <Kerbero> going to check on gigabit now
[09:12] <Symmetria> -w 2048000
[09:12] <Symmetria> and -t 90
[09:12] <Symmetria> 10 second isnt a valid test
[09:12] <Symmetria> :p
[09:12] <Squirm> Symmetria: can I give it a shot after this?
[09:12] <Symmetria> I dont mind :)
[09:13] <Squirm> eh, nevermind, kinda pointless
[09:13] <Squirm> :P
[09:13] <Symmetria> you running a 90 second test now kerbero?
[09:13] <Kerbero> it is running i hope
[09:13] <Kerbero> jip
[09:13] <Symmetria> yeah its running, I saw it connect
[09:14] <Symmetria> next time you might wanna add -i 10 as well to it to make it report in 10 second increments until it hits the timer, but its fine, let it finish this
[09:14] <Kerbero> finished
[09:14] <Symmetria> 75.7
[09:14] <Kerbero> crap speed
[09:14] <Symmetria> what window size did you use?
[09:14] <Kerbero> TCP window size:   256 KByte (WARNING: requested 1.95 MByte)
[09:15] <Symmetria> oh, what kernel is that
[09:15] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:15] <Kerbero> old one
[09:15] <Squirm> can I give it a shot quick?
[09:15] <Symmetria> its limiting it because of your kernel settings
[09:15] <Symmetria> squirm go for it
[09:15] <Symmetria> kerbero hold, will give you some sysctl's
[09:15] <Kerbero> ok :)
[09:15] <Symmetria> net.core.rmem_max = 16777216
[09:16] <Squirm> crap speed
[09:16] <Squirm> but it's better than 384
[09:16] <Squirm> :P
[09:16] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 87830 8388608
[09:16] <Symmetria> and then set .wmem on both of those the same as well
[09:16] <Symmetria> and then try a 2meg window size test again
[09:16] <Kerbero> sysctl -w ....
[09:16] <Symmetria> sysctl -w net.core.rmem_max = 16777216
[09:17] <Squirm> [  3]  0.0-98.7 sec  2.38 MBytes   202 Kbits/sec
[09:17] <Symmetria> sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_rmem="4096 87830 8388608"
[09:17] <Squirm> lol
[09:17] <Symmetria> then sysctl -w net.core.wmem_max=16777216
[09:17] <Symmetria> and
[09:17] <Symmetria> sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_wmem="4096 87830 8388608"
[09:17] <Symmetria> lol squirm
[09:18] <Symmetria> :P lemme show you what it should look like
[09:18] <Squirm> eh
[09:18] <Kerbero> it is so lekker to just copy paste
[09:18] <Squirm> you're gonna make me jealous
[09:18] <Squirm> :/
[09:18] <Kerbero> got all 4 now
[09:19] <Kerbero> need to check if this is really gigabit or not
[09:20] <Symmetria> heh just pulling a file to test with
[09:20] <Kerbero> yeah, looks like someone stole my gigabit
[09:22] <Kerbero> well test completed
[09:22] <Kerbero> and that is link speed
[09:22] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:22] <Kerbero> o wait
[09:22] <Kerbero> i forgot
[09:22] <Kerbero> i have a server in the data center
[09:24] <Symmetria> heh
[09:24] <Symmetria> testing something real quick
[09:24] <Kerbero> ahh this is better
[09:25] <Kerbero> Symmetria, ok test completed
[09:26] <Kerbero> should i run it again after you "tested something quick"?
[09:26] <Symmetria> yeah gimme a sec
[09:26] <Kerbero> k
[09:27] <Symmetria> this is from london -> south africa
[09:27] <Symmetria> single file stream
[09:27] <Symmetria> Throughput            : 1439.24 Mbps
[09:27] <Symmetria> Goodput w/ restarts   : 1439.24 Mbps
[09:27] <Symmetria> Final file rate       : 1439.24 Mbps
[09:27] <Symmetria> Transfer mode         : lossless
[09:27] <Symmetria> Transfer duration     : 26.21 seconds
[09:27] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:27] <Symmetria> heh 4.6gig file
[09:27] <Kerbero> not bad
[09:27] <Symmetria> :p
[09:27] <Symmetria> from london
[09:27] <Symmetria> in 26 seconds
[09:27] <Kerbero> so shall i iperf again?
[09:27] <Symmetria> lol kerbero disk and other shit starts to top out if I go higher than that
[09:27] <Symmetria> yeah go for it
[09:28] <Symmetria> [  4]  0.0-90.0 sec  7.14 GBytes    682 Mbits/sec
[09:28] <Symmetria> that was your previous one
[09:28] <Kerbero> jip
[09:28] <Symmetria> 7.1gig of data in 90 seconds
[09:28] <Symmetria> how are they handling the billing with the new firewall? lol
[09:29] <Kerbero> no idea
[09:29] <Kerbero> but it will likely fail
[09:29] <Kerbero> ok done
[09:29] <Kerbero> about the same specs
[09:29] <Kerbero> and that is from sun's backbone
[09:29] <Symmetria> thats not bad for a gigabit connected server
[09:30] <Kerbero> that is a VM
[09:30] <Kerbero> so no idea what it actually has
[09:30] <Symmetria> yeah thats not bad
[09:30] <Symmetria> thats 85 megabytes/second
[09:30] <Kerbero> well i think that's about it
[09:30] <Kerbero> it is awwesome
[09:30] <Symmetria> lol now they just need to get rid of the billing
[09:30] <Kerbero> TCP window size: 3.91 MByte (WARNING: requested 1.95 MByte)
[09:30] <Symmetria> rumour has it that even UP is getting rid of theirs
[09:31] <Kerbero> i'm not billed for 155.232.191/24 luckily
[09:36] <Squirm> .:Symmetria:. Transfer duration     : 26.21 seconds Symmetria: Where did you transfer that to, an TENET server?
[09:37] <Symmetria> squirm from london -> mirror.ac.za
[09:37] <Symmetria> from the ubuntunet alliance test server
[09:38] <Symmetria> heh ive pushed that UA test server to 7 gigabit on single file downloads before actually, though to actually hit 7 gigabit requires severe tweaking and dumping to memory and all sorts of crap to get around server limitations that drop that speed down
[09:39] <Kerbero> haha wow
[09:40] <Kerbero> Symmetria, iperf still running?
[09:41] <Symmetria> yeah
[09:41] <Symmetria> brb smoke
[09:55] <Kerbero> well the last test's speed was worse
[09:55] <Kerbero> but ok
[09:55] <Kerbero> i'm done
[09:55] <Kerbero> have to do some work
[10:13] <Banlam> odd, i'm downloading something from sourcegorge
[10:13] <Banlam> but it's not using the tenet mirror
[10:13] <Banlam> it's using a .br mirror
[10:24] <ybrjkfc> hi ;)
[12:45] <kbmonkey> g'day
[12:48] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey and others
[12:48]  * Kilos sukkel
[12:49] <Banlam> waarmee sukkel kilos?
[12:49] <Kilos> decided to take the plunge and upgrade maverick to natty but nowhere do i get the choice to upgrade from the natty alternate
[12:50] <Kilos> hi Banlam
[12:50] <Banlam> gday
[12:50]  * Banlam doesn't bother with upgrades
[12:50] <Banlam> it's format or nothing
[12:51] <Kilos> i was the same but now have to do it via alternate
[12:51] <Kilos> im sure they used to give the option
[12:51] <Kilos> maybe im doing something wrong
[12:52]  * Banlam knows not
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Kilos> the fly will know he always upgrades
[12:52] <Banlam> :)
[12:52] <Kilos> superfly, any idea what im doing wrong?
[12:53] <Kilos> it might even be something i have unticked somewhere
[12:54] <Kilos> so weird. if i put in natty ubuntu cd while on natty xubuntu then it asks if i want to upgrade
[12:54] <superfly> Kilos: I never got a dialog or anything popping up, I had to do it manually
[12:55] <Kilos> oh my
[12:55] <superfly> it's not difficult
[12:55] <Kilos> ok im listening
[12:55] <Kilos> will write it down
[12:55] <superfly> once the CD is mounted, go to the CD in your terminal
[12:55] <Kilos> ok
[12:56] <superfly> so if your CD was mounted on /media/cdrom, "cd /media/cdrom"
[12:56] <superfly> then "ls" to see the files... there should be some "cdromupgrade" file (or something similarly named)
[12:56] <superfly> then you run "sudo /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[12:57] <superfly> and it should take it from there
[12:58] <Kilos> ah ty superfly that cdromupgrade function is what isnt working when the cd opens
[13:00] <Kilos> bbl
[13:22] <kbmonkey> hi kilos superfly bn
[13:22] <kbmonkey> Banlam,
[13:22] <Banlam> heya
[13:26] <Kilos> can only cd /media and ls there
[13:26] <Kilos> cant cd into cdrom
[13:26] <Kilos> murphy back again
[13:28] <Kilos> doing ls in media shows Ubuntu 11.04 i386
[13:28] <Kilos> cany cd into that either
[13:28] <Kilos> cant
[13:29] <confluency> Oh, yeah, tumbleweed, some Russians want to know how big Ubuntu is in SA.
[13:29] <confluency> Like ybrjkfc. :)
[13:52] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos cd Ubu<tab>
[13:52] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
  hi ;)
[13:59] <confluency> ybrjkfc: hello :)
 you use instant XMPP messenger ?
[14:02] <ybrjkfc> I could call you in the Russian user conference ubuntu
[14:02] <confluency> ybrjkfc: only Google Talk.
  Google Talk this is great :)
<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the address of the conference
[14:06] <confluency> Can Google Talk conenct to chatrooms?
[14:06] <confluency> As far as I know, it doesn't interoperate with normal XMPP chatrooms. :/
 Yes. Japanese users are checked :)
[14:07] <ybrjkfc> i<confluency> n this conference is Japanese, which uses  Google Talk
[14:08] <tumbleweed> confluency, ybrjkfc: I have no idea how big Ubuntu is in ZA :)
 I believe. you're a developer and Debian is ubuntu?
[14:10] <tumbleweed> ybrjkfc: I'm a Debian Developer, and an Ubuntu Developer
 it's fine :)
 Hundreds of thousands of people in Russia, and Debian is using ubuntu.
[17:23] <kbmonkey> lo /o
[18:09] <Kilos> haha ty superfly this has been driving me nuts
[18:09] <Kilos> near gave up
[18:10] <superfly> Kilos: did you come right though?
[18:10] <Kilos> gonna see now. had a head that needed to take a break
[18:12] <Kilos> nope it bloeps at me when i try tab it
[18:13] <Kilos> dont know why i cant cd to the cdrom
[18:13] <Kilos> evening all
[18:14] <Kilos> do i have to tell /etc/fstab that their is a cdrom superfly
[18:14] <Kilos> that whole modprobe thing
[18:15] <Kilos> i can cd /dev then do ls and there is a cdrom shown but when i cd to /cdrom ls shows nothing
[18:17] <superfly> Kilos: you need to mount the cdrom as you normally do, in nautilus
[18:18] <Kilos> yes it shows on desktop superfly
[18:18] <superfly> Kilos: double-click on it
[18:19] <Kilos> it opens another windows with all the folders in it
[18:20] <Kilos> it opens one automatically when it shows on desktop superfly
[18:20] <superfly> OK, and if you edit the location, does it show you a proper path?
[18:21]  * superfly doesn't know how nautilus works
[18:22] <Kilos> no sure what you mean but if i click next to ubuntu 11.04 it shows media ubuntu 11.04
[18:22] <superfly> as in /media/ubuntu 11.04 ?
[18:23] <Kilos> first a drive pic then media ubuntu 11.04
[18:23] <Kilos> not with /
[18:24] <Kilos> words in buttons whereby you can go back or forward by ticking them
[18:24] <Kilos> its a graphical thing
[18:27] <Kilos> bash: cd: /media/cdromupgrade: No such file or directory
[18:27] <Kilos> thats what i get via cli superfly
[18:27] <superfly> Kilos: of course, because that is not a valid path
[18:27] <Kilos> but i can see it is there
[18:27] <superfly> Kilos: what's in /media ?
[18:28] <superfly> cd /media && ls
[18:28] <Kilos> superfly, Ubuntu 11.04 i386
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: pastebin it for me
[18:29] <Kilos> thats all there is
[18:29] <Kilos> one line
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: ls -al
[18:32] <Kilos> superfly,  http://slexy.org/view/s2WnfGY0wo
[18:32] <superfly> Kilos: you're not in media
[18:32] <superfly> cd /media
[18:32] <superfly> ls -al
[18:33] <Kilos> eish skuus man
[18:34] <Kilos> superfly,  http://slexy.org/view/s203PnsXG8
[18:38] <Kilos> with an upgrade will i keep my original desktop or will it try go unity first then go gnome classic
[18:38] <superfly> Kilos: now type in "cd Ubu" and press tab
[18:39] <Langjan> Hi kilos, long time. How are you?
[18:39] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[18:39] <Kilos> good ty and you
[18:39] <Kilos> superfly, bloep
[18:39] <Langjan> good thanks, just back from a trip to Cahora Bassa
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: are you typing it with a capital U?
[18:40] <Kilos> oh no
[18:40] <superfly> not "cd ubu" but "cd Ubu"
[18:41] <Kilos> thats it superfly ty i will try go further
[18:41]  * Kilos must read more carefully
[18:41] <superfly> Kilos: when you use the directory, use tab to complete it, because it makes sure that things like the spaces are handled correctly
[18:42] <superfly> Kilos: also, when you're in nautilus, press Ctrl+L and you will see the real path
[18:42] <Kilos> ah ty superfly such a stupid mistake
[18:43] <Langjan> Kilos I have a weird problem with thunderbird
[18:43] <Kilos> wow that works great  /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386
[18:43] <Kilos> whats it doing Langjan i still use evolution
[18:44] <Langjan> upgraded to 11.10 and tbird seems to have picked up a bug, it shows a message in the reply to space, when you scroll over it it shows my email address
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my. maybe there is a thunderbird user here that knows where to look
[18:46] <Langjan> was thinking perhaps I should delete email account and redo it, but its a hassle
[18:46] <Kilos> hasnt it changed something in you preferences
[18:47] <Langjan> well I pasted my whole profile into the folder and this comes up. Tried to redo it, lost some mails in the process but the problem remains.
[18:48] <Kilos> try a sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird
[18:49] <Kilos> sometimes when pasting on gets things a bit wrong. maybe it adds a space where it shouldnt or something
[18:50] <Langjan> ok lets try that will get back to you, silly of me not to try that first
[18:50] <Kilos> who knows
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: so did you run "sudo /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade" ?
[18:51] <Kilos> superfly, will this tell me how much it is going to want to download first
[18:51] <Kilos> can i do it offline rather
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: if you're not connected, it won't download anything
[18:52] <Kilos> maybe thats safest
[18:52] <Kilos> superfly, will you help langjan if i am off please
[18:53] <Langjan> thanks kilos, the reinstall did not make any difference
[18:53] <Kilos> eish
[18:54] <Kilos> must be something in settings Langjan
[18:54] <Langjan> been there, don't see anything
[18:55] <superfly> Langjan: what do you mean by "when you scroll over it"? Are you using your mouse or your keyboard?
[18:55] <Langjan> mouse
[18:55] <Langjan> hi superfly
[18:56] <Kilos> just gonna run upgrade. bbnn
[18:57] <superfly> Langjan: so when you mouse over, it shows your e-mail address in the "reply to" field?
[18:58] <Langjan> that's right, but then when the cursor is gone, it shows what looks like the text from an e-mail.i
[18:59] <Langjan> It's like hovering over a live link
[19:00] <superfly> Langjan: oh, that just sounds like a visual bug
[19:01] <Langjan> meaning what superfly?
[19:01] <superfly> Langjan: meaning that it doesn't sound like anything is really wrong
[19:02] <superfly> it's just an irritating thing to see
[19:02] <Langjan> makes sense but as you say it looks weird
[19:03] <Langjan> will it help to delete and reinstall my e-mail account?
[19:03] <superfly> Langjan: no
[19:04] <Langjan> so I live with it?
[19:04] <superfly> what you can possibly do is save your e-mails themselves, and remove your Thunderbird profile, but that's a slightly tricky exercise with potentially disastrous consequences if you get it wrong
[19:05] <Langjan> I did remove and reinstall my profile, lost some e-mails but the problem persisted
[19:05] <superfly> then it likely won't go away any time soon
[19:06] <Kilos-> Langjan, send all your maisl to another mail account
[19:06] <Langjan> ok thanks, hope you're right. Keep well superfly.
[19:06] <superfly> Yeah, just busy, thanks
[19:06] <Kilos-> Langjan, you there
[19:07] <Langjan> Yes, Kilos you must be joking
[19:07] <Kilos-> lol no man liten to my reasoning
[19:07] <Kilos-> *listen
[19:07] <Langjan> ok trying to
[19:07] <Kilos-> send those you want to save
[19:08] <Kilos-> but they should all be online arent they
[19:08] <Kilos-> then we can try purge thunderbird and then install from scratch
[19:08] <Langjan> only inbox for 40 days, I have about 2 gigs of mails
[19:08] <Kilos-> purge removes configuration files as well
[19:09] <kbmonkey> naand geeks
[19:09] <Kilos-> you are too popular
[19:09] <Kilos-> naand kbmonkey
[19:09] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:09] <kbmonkey> you have a tail kbmonkey
[19:09] <kbmonkey> i mean Kilos-
[19:09] <kbmonkey> lol, tab complete fail
[19:09] <Kilos-> oh sorry went off to upgrade but it didnt work
[19:10]  * kbmonkey has a tail too
[19:10] <kbmonkey> hi superfly Langjan
[19:10] <kbmonkey> awe your alternate Cd does not work? :(
[19:10] <Langjan> hi kbmonkey
[19:10] <kbmonkey> does it not have an upgrade option whenyou boot from the CD
[19:10] <Kilos> nope. now im trying it via command line
[19:10] <superfly> kbmonkey: it does, oom Kilos was just being a little light-headed
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <superfly> (and you can't upgrade when booting from the CD, AFAIK)
[19:11] <Kilos> superfly, from where must i run that "sudo /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade"
[19:12] <Kilos> miles@P4:/media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386$ sudo /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: anywhere
[19:12] <Kilos> sudo: /media/Ubuntu: command not found
[19:12] <superfly> ja oom, but I told you to tab-complete the directory name
[19:12] <superfly> otherwise you'll get it wrong
[19:12] <Kilos> mustnt it have apt-get or aptitude in there
[19:12] <superfly> no
[19:13] <superfly> type in "sudo /media/Ubu<tab>"
[19:13] <superfly> and then the rest
[19:14] <Kilos> it bloeps again by tab
[19:14] <Kilos> with the capital U
[19:15] <superfly> Kilos: OK, then type this, as you see it (with the quotes and everything): sudo "/media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade"
[19:23] <jan_> superfly, the problems seems to be with 11.10 which uses thunderbird as default, I loaded the same profile onto my trusty 11.04 and it is fine.
[19:24] <superfly> jan_: the profile contains themes and addons and stuff. Profiles do not generally work across major upgrades
[19:24] <superfly> that is likely the problem you are seeing
[19:25] <jan_> eish, and I just only learnt how to transfer profiles. How do you transfer the mails and adresses etc when upgrading?
[19:27] <superfly> I don't know how to transfer addresses... mails are just files at the end of the day, so you can just copy those across... these days Thunderbird has an importer to import just the mails from a directory on disk.
[19:28] <Kilos> eish first thing it wanted was to check online so i pulled modem
[19:28] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2UQ4rCrj4
[19:28] <Kilos> thats the result
[19:28] <Kilos> grrr
[19:31] <Kilos> i give up for now superfly maybe better to save the data and stay on maverick a bit longer
[19:32] <superfly> Kilos: hrm, that's a weird error
[19:32] <superfly> did the GUI tell you that?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes
[19:33] <Kilos> it might be because it doesnt see medibuntu on the cdrom?
[19:33] <Kilos> i go look in there terminal if i can find out more
[19:34] <superfly> hrm, maybe... you can try disabling medibuntu
[19:34] <Kilos> i will paste what the terminal said
[19:36] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20Uz3sWW2
[19:38] <Kilos> it didnt show any more in the terminal
[19:40] <Kilos> we leave it for now superfly got a thumper here. need to lie down. ty for the help
[19:40] <superfly> kk
[19:40] <Kilos> kbmonkey, why dont you learn networking
[19:41] <Kilos> you can sit on the beach and make money
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <superfly> Kilos: none of those messages are errors
[19:42] <Kilos> oh
[19:42] <kbmonkey> sjoe Kilos that sure is some error!
[19:42] <Kilos> when it starts it asks to go online
[19:43] <superfly> Kilos: and usually you can tell it not to
[19:43] <Kilos> i pulled modem and ticked no and it ran long time trying to setup software centre and never got past that
[19:43] <superfly> it says, "do you want to go online" and you just say no
[19:43] <Kilos> yes i did
[19:43] <kbmonkey> just let it run over night if it seems to take a while
[19:43] <superfly> OK
[19:44] <Kilos> i will try again tomorrow
[19:44] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you
[19:44] <kbmonkey> okay Kilos
[19:44] <kbmonkey> see you tomorrow
[19:49] <kbmonkey> it seems like a bug in the update process superfly, letting it go online will resolve it -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/38703/an-unresolvable-problem-occurred-while-calculating-the-upgrade-how-to-solve-it
[19:49] <superfly> kbmonkey: ah
[19:50] <kbmonkey> oh well now we know :p
[19:50] <superfly> my last few upgrades were online, I haven't done a CD upgrade in 2 or 3 years
[20:34] <Kerbero> who have ever heard of an isp that blocks all UDP?
[20:40] <superfly> nope, not me
[20:41] <Kerbero> yes it is really a joke
[20:42] <Kerbero> never send you kids to the university of stellenbosch
[20:42] <Kerbero> the IT infrastructure is run by idiots


[07:13] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[07:18] <afellow> Hello everyone!
[07:19] <afellow> I have question about juju and maas  2
[07:19] <afellow> is Juju already compatible with maas 2?
[07:19] <afellow> I am asking because I have problem bootstrapping maas2 cloud
[07:19] <afellow> I get the following error during the process
[07:19] <afellow> ERROR cmd supercommand.go:458 new environ: Get http://localhost:5240/MAAS/api/1.0/version/: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:5240: getsockopt: connection refused
[07:20] <afellow> It want to use 1.0 API version instead of 2.0
[07:24] <afellow> I need to add that I use juju 1.2.1 and maas 2.1.3
[07:25] <afellow> Did anyone had similar problem and solved it?
[10:08] <magicaltrout> morning folks
[10:08] <magicaltrout> trying to bootstrap some test nonsense
[10:09] <magicaltrout> juju-wait fails when I try and run the sample bundletester -t cs:bundle/wiki-simple
[10:09] <magicaltrout> on the matrix readme
[10:09] <magicaltrout>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/juju_wait/__init__.py", line 102, in juju_exe
[10:09] <magicaltrout>     if not shutil.which(juju):
[10:09] <magicaltrout> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'which'
[10:09] <magicaltrout> anyone got any sane ideas?
[10:11] <SimonKLB> magicaltrout: old python version=
[10:12] <SimonKLB> https://docs.python.org/3/library/shutil.html#shutil.which
[10:12] <SimonKLB> "New in version 3.3."
[10:17] <magicaltrout> yeah SimonKLB
[10:17] <magicaltrout> but as I have python 3 installed
[10:17] <magicaltrout> how do I tell juju-wait to use it ?:)
[10:18] <magicaltrout> or more to the point, whats the ubuntu way of making python3 the default, 2.7 still seems to be /usr/bin/python
[10:18] <magicaltrout> which is whats in the shebang
[10:19] <SimonKLB> hmm, looks like the latest version has python3 https://git.launchpad.net/juju-wait/tree/juju_wait/__init__.py
[10:19] <SimonKLB> perhaps the wait plugin needs an update
[10:19] <magicaltrout> oh yeah so it does
[10:26] <SimonKLB> magicaltrout: since it's installed under python2.7 the shebang might not be considered when it's executed
[10:26] <SimonKLB> not sure how the plugins are being run, but if they are not executed standalone then that might be the problem
[10:44] <magicaltrout> thanks SimonKLB I fixed that by just changing the shebang in the plugin
[10:44] <magicaltrout> bundletester is completely hosed on my xenial install though
[10:46] <magicaltrout> bugg@tom-laptop2:~/Projects/charms/layer-gitlab/tests$ juju api-endpoints -e aws1:admin/default
[10:46] <magicaltrout> ERROR unrecognized command: juju api-endpoints
[10:46] <magicaltrout> no idea what its trying to do there but it doesn't like it
[10:52] <magicaltrout> some juju2.0 thing I guess
[10:59] <SimonKLB> magicaltrout: you dont run 2.0?
[10:59] <magicaltrout> i do run 2.0
[10:59] <magicaltrout> thats why i'm confused
[10:59] <magicaltrout> i just pip2 installed bundletester
[10:59] <magicaltrout> like all the docs say
[11:00] <SimonKLB> have you tried the charmbox docker container?
[11:00] <magicaltrout> but it doesn't like my juju install, which was apt and now snapd to check
[11:00] <SimonKLB> it comes pre-packaged with all the test-stuff
[11:00] <magicaltrout> I've not
[11:00] <magicaltrout> i'll give it a spin
[11:01] <SimonKLB> yea do it! i'm using it all the time when building/testing charms, it's very handy
[11:12] <magicaltrout> much improved it seems SimonKLB
[11:12] <magicaltrout> thanks for the hint
[11:12] <SimonKLB> great np :)
[12:15] <magicaltrout> https://jujucharms.com/q/gitlab so here's another gripe about the charmstore
[12:16] <magicaltrout> I get (kinda) why you'd not want to return gitlab recommended and gitlab non recommended
[12:16] <magicaltrout> but if you have gitlab and gitlab-server
[12:16] <magicaltrout> surely you need to do a wildcard search there by default? people are full on searching blind
[12:21] <magicaltrout> watch last nights video rick_h. Good show, thanks for the demo! :)
[12:21] <rick_h> magicaltrout: awesome
[13:40] <magicaltrout> alright
[13:40] <magicaltrout> next testing error cause clearly i'm doing something fully moronic
[13:40] <magicaltrout> why is bundletester trying to test my tests.yaml?
[13:45] <petevg> cory_fu: I think that I've figured out where those timeouts were coming from when running matrix against JaaS. I replaced the asyncio.wait_for calls with simple awaits, and got a traceback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24466731/
[13:46] <petevg> cory_fu: it looks like this is happening when we first try to open the socket connection, before we can get at redirect_info, if there's any present.
[13:46] <petevg> cory_fu: I think that a retry might be the most sensible thing to do -- what do you think?
[13:46] <cory_fu> Interesting.  So you think the wait_for for the timeout was somehow masking the connection error?
[13:47] <petevg> cory_fu: yes. I think that we were creating a future, but not checking the exception status on it.
[13:48] <petevg> cory_fu: regardless, I think that we've made python-libjuju much more enthusiastic about raising errors, so I think the reasons for wrapping add_model in a wait_for may have gone away.
[13:48] <cory_fu> petevg: We don't have access to any future that wait_for creates.  There doesn't seem to be any way to check for an exception with wait_for
[13:48] <petevg> cory_fu: ugh. All the more reason not to use it, I think ...
[13:49] <cory_fu> petevg: The wait_for was there to prevent the connection from hanging indefinitely
[13:49] <cory_fu> It seems to be the only way to enforce a timeout
[13:49] <cory_fu> I guess we could roll our own wait_for using create_task and asyncio.sleep
[13:50] <petevg> cory_fu: I think that we may not need it at all -- we've got higher level timeouts wrapped around matrix in the CI tools, and it looks like the native timeouts work pretty well.
[13:50] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: bugs on charmbox welcome <3 thats my ugly baby :)
[13:50] <cory_fu> petevg: Hrm.  I was thinking for other code that uses libjuju
[13:51] <magicaltrout> charmbox is fine lazyPower many thanks
[13:51] <petevg> cory_fu: this code was in matrix, anyway :-)
[13:51] <magicaltrout> comapred to trying to run tests on my own machine
[13:51] <cory_fu> petevg: Oh, well fine then
[13:51] <cory_fu> :)
[13:51] <petevg> cory_fu: python-libjujuj provides that monitor class to get around the cases where you aren't going to hear abotu a timeout.
[13:51] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: indeed, and it insulates you from dependency bloat running tests, thats why we created it.
[13:51] <lazyPower> doing revq on your laptop shouldn't leave you with 800+ dependencies installed.
[13:52] <magicaltrout> hehe
[14:03] <magicaltrout> so there seems to be a missing document
[14:03] <magicaltrout> cause i couldn't find this a few months ago and gave up then
[14:03] <magicaltrout> how do you get stuff into the review queue these days?
[14:03] <magicaltrout> actually via the app itself or some other method?
[14:04] <magicaltrout> oh yeah, request a review, conundrum solved
[14:07] <magicaltrout> Start your review by saying "Thanks", no matter what the outcome of the review is going to be.
[14:07] <magicaltrout> If you recognise somebody you've worked with on IRC, thank them.
[14:07] <magicaltrout> lol
[14:07] <magicaltrout> I understand why thats written down, but it does make me chuckle
[14:08] <admcleod> magicaltrout: you should totally google 'conundrum etymology'
[14:10]  * magicaltrout did and is thoroughly confused
[14:10] <magicaltrout> time for biscuits
[14:27] <rick_h> magicaltrout: :)
[14:27] <admcleod> magicaltrout: mostly it as because of the pendantic thing that i was amused
[15:01] <magicaltrout> need to test config setting in amulet
[15:01] <magicaltrout> can I look at a file on the unit to check settings?
[15:04] <magicaltrout> ah sentry file_contents it seems
[15:21] <kjackal> petevg: is there a bundletester flag to disable matrix tests?
[15:21] <petevg> kjackal: there isn't. You can not have matrix installed, though, and it will skip it.
[15:21] <kjackal> petevg: I want them but in case I want to exclude them how do i do that?
[15:21] <magicaltrout> --dontrunthecrazyshit
[15:22] <kjackal> crazy petevg! Right magicaltrout?
[15:22] <petevg> kjackal: best thing to do right now is to temporarily rename the matrix executable. You should file a ticket against bundletester, though, because it's not that hard to add a flag :-)
[15:23] <kjackal> petevg: you said I can do a "pip unsinstall matrix" right?
[15:24] <petevg> kjackal: it depends on what you did to install it in the first place.
[15:24] <petevg> kjackal: I haven't pushed the pypi package, though, so it's unlikely that pip will work.
[15:24] <petevg> kjackal: if you're in cwr-ci, matrix is just part of the image; probably renaming the executable is the way to go.
[15:25] <petevg> Locally, I usually just have it installed in a venv, so it's easy to turn on and off :-)
[16:43] <petevg> cory_fu, kwmonroe: simple but brutal solution for "matrix is too green", which was caused by us not cleaning up a health check after we hit an internal timeout. I'm just yanking the timeout, because we handle that at a higher level in cwr-ci, anyway: https://github.com/juju-solutions/matrix/pull/129
[16:47] <kwmonroe> petevg: bundletester didn't use the -z, so i think what you've done is reasonable.  are there any other callers that i should check (for -z) off the top of your head?
[16:47] <petevg> kwmonroe: I don't think that anybody was using "-z". It had a default timeout internally.
[16:48] <petevg> kwmronoe: ... and that timeout was basically just there for cwr-ci ... which now has its own timeout wrapped around matrix, anyway, complete with model cleanup.
[16:53] <petevg> kwmonroe, cory_fu: The other piece of the puzzle is that I got rid of a major source of hangs by adding that Monitor class to the python-libjuju connection. Matrix should basically never just sit there anymore. (At least, never sit there once it has managed to put its test suite together, which is the part that the timeout covered, anyway.)
[16:54] <kwmonroe> awesome petevg!


[01:41] <balloons> ping nik90 it's ready https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/alarm-tests/+merge/191482
[01:41] <balloons> popey, ^^
[06:40] <mihir> dpm: good Morning :)
[06:40] <mihir> dpm: am i supposed to remove any testcases ?? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/1144/testReport/calendar_app.tests.test_calendar/TestMainView/test_new_event_with_mouse_/?
[06:44] <dpm> morning mihir
[06:45] <dpm> mihir, I'd suggest getting the branch in shape and then look at any tests that are failing. Rather than removing, tests might need to be adapted
[06:47] <mihir> dpm: okay , but I am unable to get the catch
[06:47] <dpm> mihir, what do you mean the catch?
[06:48] <mihir> dpm: why it is failing i just changed few lines and it shouldn't affect anything
[06:51] <dpm> mihir, I'd say just worry about the branch now, and when it's finished we can look at the test
[06:51] <mihir> dpm: the branch has been done.
[06:51] <mihir> I just pushed all the changes, & it's working on my machine
[06:56] <dpm> cool
[07:00] <mihir> dpm: resolved :)
[07:24] <popey> nik90: did you see balloons patch is ready for review?
[08:04] <danielbeck> hello. I got the feedback from the ubuntu app showdown. Thanks. The feedback however said that my application (ramsamsam reader) could not be started on the handheld.
[08:06] <danielbeck> I'm not sure which version of ramsamsam reader was tested. Because I have no ubuntu touch handheld, I wanted to ask, if someone could test it on its smartphone. That would be really helpful.
[08:12] <danielbeck> s/its smartphone/his smartphone
[08:13] <mihir> dpm: can you approve my MR , once you get time ? https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/editEvent/+merge/190106
[08:14] <dpm> mihir, sure, I've already had a look but I need to test it. I need to prepare a couple of other things for the release, but I'll get to it this afternoon
[08:14] <mihir> dpm: No issues :) thank you
[08:31] <nik90> popey: yes I saw. I was investigating where the clock db is stored
[08:31] <nik90> balloons: the clock db is in .local/share/com.ubuntu.clock
[08:32] <nik90> balloons: however I am not sure where the alarm eds database is..shouldn't it be in the same location as the calendar?
[08:32] <dpm> hi danielbeck, that was at the time ramsamsam had not yet been uploaded to the store, so we asked judges to test it on the desktop so that it could qualify for the contest
[08:35] <danielbeck> dpm: ah, ok. So the application in the click-store works.Thanks.
[08:36] <dpm> danielbeck, yeah, I'm testing it now to double-check. It seems I've got an issue loading apps in the last phone image, but at least the app was installed from the stor
[08:36] <dpm> e
[08:37] <danielbeck> dpm: could you try out the synchronization to theOldReader, too? It should work too.
[08:38] <popey> danielbeck: it fails to start on device here
[08:38] <danielbeck> dpm: The synchronization does not work in the webbrowser because of security constrains imposed from the webbrowser.
[08:38] <danielbeck> popey: ah. ok.
[08:38] <dpm> popey, danielbeck, same here, it shows a blank screen when starting
[08:39] <popey> file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/imports/Unity-Mir/Unity/Application/ApplicationImage.qml:37:5: QML QQuickImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://screenshot/com.ubuntu.developer.danielbeck.ramsamsamreader_ramsamsamreader_0.2.3
[08:39] <dpm> I'Ve seen this happening quite a lot for some reason. This morning the clock app just wouldn't start (showed the blank screen all the time), and now it does start, though
[08:40] <danielbeck> is that a problem with my application, or an ubuntu touch problem?
[08:43] <danielbeck> Is an emulator available to test apps, or does Ubuntu provide a "Remote Labs" like "Samsung Lab.Dev" for testing purposes?
[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D
[09:13] <nik90> renato: for AP tests, do you know where the EDS database is stored to perform a clean slate after an AP test?
[09:16] <dpm> nik90, while renato is not yet online, perhaps someone on #ubuntu-desktop might know more about EDS
[09:20] <smartboyhw> dpm, so, what's the conclusion of the meeting yesterday?
[09:23] <dpm> smartboyhw, we updated the blueprint with the status (I'd recommend to subscribe): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/reminders-app-development
[09:23] <smartboyhw> dpm, I did subscribe
[09:23] <dpm> cool, it doesn't seem you're listed though
[09:24] <dpm> essentially, we shared the work the design team has been doing:
[09:24] <dpm> - the design brief document, which lists the functional requirements
[09:24] <dpm> - the user stories, which go into more detail on the requirements
[09:25] <dpm> we also set the meeting to be weekly at that time
[09:25] <dpm> and recommended to use the mailing list for communication more
[09:29] <jarope> hi gents could someone please let me know the current PPA for the sdk with Qt5.1.1 support
[09:31] <danielbeck> dpm: I won't be able to attend the "evernote" meetings - I'm at work at that time.
[09:31] <dpm> jarope, I'm not sure if we've got any. It seems we don't have any SDK folks around today
[09:31] <jarope> hi dpm yes I just scanned the list and didnt see any names i recognised
[09:32] <jarope> I had it before but had to reinstall to sort a problem with nvidia
[09:32] <dpm> danielbeck, no worries, we'll try to set up either another time or another format (perhaps IRC) for those who can't attend
[09:32] <jarope> there is a beta ppa but as I understand the name keeps changing
[09:35] <smartboyhw> dpm, OK
[09:36] <danielbeck> dpm: nice. Thanks.
[09:42] <jarope> dpm: found it - https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta-proper/
[09:43] <dpm> ok, cool
[10:31] <dholbach> JamesTait, how are things looking with 1239662?
[10:33] <JamesTait> dholbach, I've got a fix about 80% done on my dev environment.  Planned to have it out last night, but suffered a cascade of hardware and software failures that I'm recovering from this morning.
[10:33] <dholbach> awesome!
[10:33] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[10:33] <JamesTait> More awesome would have been having it already in production. :-/
[10:39] <om26er> gusch, ping
[10:39] <gusch> om26er: hi
[10:39] <om26er> gusch, the camera stops working if we switch to other apps and come back. You worked on the backend side of it so perhaps you know what's causing that
[10:39] <om26er> bug 1238687
[10:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1238687 in camera-app (Ubuntu Saucy) "Camera app stops responding when swiping through open apps" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238687
[10:39] <om26er> it just shows blank
[10:39] <om26er> we quit it and start it again and camera works
[10:41] <gusch> om26er: that's a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-camera/+bug/1220626
[10:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1220626 in qtubuntu-camera (Ubuntu) "camera stops working after camera.start();camera.stop();camera.start()" [High,New]
[10:43] <om26er> gusch, ah, thanks :)
[12:16] <dpm> kalikiana, if I want to use an icon from the mobile theme in my app (e.g. /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mobile/actions/scalable/delete.svg) Is there a way that I can show that icon in a toolbar button by accessing the icon installed in the system location, or do I have to copy the icon to my source tree and load it from there?
[12:17] <dpm> I tried it a while ago and I remember I had some issues, but they might have been resolved by now
[12:17] <dpm> I'm just curious to know what the proper way is to use system icons
[12:18] <dpm> renato, does qtorganizer5-eds implement deleting events?
[12:20] <pkunal-parmar> I asked him, he must be checking it
[12:20] <renato> dpm, yes I am discussing with pkunal-parmar about that
[12:21] <dpm> renato, ok, cool, thanks. Also, would you mind opening https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtorganizer5-eds to track bugs for the eds backend?
[12:21] <pkunal-parmar> dpm, did we get any feedback about proper usage of system icons ?
[12:22] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, I just asked kalikiana before you joined the channel, let's wait for him to reply when he's got some time
[12:22] <renato> dpm, try this one: Q_INVOKABLE void removeItem(QDeclarativeOrganizerItem *item);
[12:22] <renato> this should works
[12:22] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[12:22] <renato> pkunal-parmar, ^^
[12:22] <pkunal-parmar> ok :)
[12:22] <pkunal-parmar> i thought there is no such API :)
[12:22] <renato> yeah the documentation is too old
[12:23] <pkunal-parmar> :), seems to work
[12:23] <pkunal-parmar> thanks
[12:23] <renato> pkunal-parmar, great
[12:23] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, renato, I struggled to find any API documentation on the EDS backend or Qt Organizer. Where should I look for the documentation?
[12:25] <renato> dpm, pkunal-parmar, try use this one: http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt-mobility/index.html
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> ranato, event is getting deleted
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> but there is one issue
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> virtual bool QOrganizerEDSEngine::startRequest(QtOrganizer::QOrganizerAbstractRequest*)
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> void QOrganizerEDSEngine::removeItemsAsync(QtOrganizer::QOrganizerItemRemoveRequest*)
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> static void QOrganizerEDSEngine::removeItemsAsyncStart(RemoveRequestData*)
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> Remove item size:  1
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> Fail to remove Items Cannot remove calendar object: Object not found
[12:26] <pkunal-parmar> There is error at end
[12:27] <pkunal-parmar> and I am not getting model updated signal
[12:29] <renato> pkunal-parmar, ok I need to take a look on that
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> ok, I tried once more and got this
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> virtual bool QOrganizerEDSEngine::startRequest(QtOrganizer::QOrganizerAbstractRequest*)
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> void QOrganizerEDSEngine::removeItemsAsync(QtOrganizer::QOrganizerItemRemoveRequest*)
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> static void QOrganizerEDSEngine::removeItemsAsyncStart(RemoveRequestData*)
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> Remove item size:  1
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> static void QOrganizerEDSEngine::removeItemsAsyncStart(RemoveRequestData*)
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> Item source is null
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> but still no model changed signal
[12:29] <pkunal-parmar> and no itemCount changed signal
[12:30] <renato> yes this should be a bug, I need to test it
[12:31] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[12:32] <renato> I will ask bfiller_afk to open the projects for bug report, meanwhile you can use here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds
[12:33] <renato> dpm, pkunal-parmar ^^^
[12:34] <dpm> thanks renato
[12:34] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, would you mind commenting on your findings for event deletion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1240505 ?
[12:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1240505 in Ubuntu Calendar App "There is no way to delete an event" [Critical,Triaged]
[12:34] <pkunal-parmar> sure, will do it
[12:35] <kalikiana> dpm: pkunal-parmar yes, use iconSource: "image://theme/search"
[12:35] <kalikiana> the part after the last slash is the name of the icon
[12:35] <pkunal-parmar> let me try
[12:36] <dpm> kalikiana, thanks. Does this pick the scalable icons or the PNG ones?
[12:36] <kalikiana> but be warned, whoever compiles the mobile theme didn't care to make it work on the desktop ;-) the same icons will not work on the desktop and the mobile always
[12:36] <kalikiana> dpm: either one
[12:36] <kalikiana> whatever fits the size
[12:37] <pkunal-parmar> iconSource: "image://theme/delete"
[12:37] <pkunal-parmar> this does not work on desktop
[12:37] <pkunal-parmar> file:///usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/ToolbarButtonStyle.qml:33:9: QML QQuickImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/delete.svg
[12:37] <dpm> This should be loading /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mobile/actions/scalable/delete.svg
[12:38] <kalikiana> alas that's not being used by the desktop theems
[12:38] <kalikiana> unless you force unity to use it and break a few things
[12:38] <kalikiana> but: you can use multiple icons
[12:39] <kalikiana> for example image://theme/search,edit-search
[12:39] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[12:39] <kalikiana> just made that one up, but say if there's a desktop-usable delete icon you can use that and the mobileone
[12:39] <pkunal-parmar> so it choose whatever is available ?
[12:39] <kalikiana> from left to right
[12:39] <nik90> pkunal-parmar, renato: I have the same delete issue that you discussed above
[12:40] <nik90> pkunal-parmar, renato: Only for the last remaining item, I do not get the itemcount changed signal
[12:40] <pkunal-parmar> nik90, it may be better to use modelChanged signal
[12:41] <pkunal-parmar> but currently after delete that is not working  as well
[12:41] <nik90> pkunal-parmar: for the alarms I am using onModelReset signal
[12:41] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[12:41] <mihir> pkunal-parmar: still we haven't implemented recuurenrce right ?
[12:41] <kalikiana> pkunal-parmar: try image://theme/delete,edit-delete-symbolic
[12:42] <kalikiana> that works for me on the desktop
[12:42] <dpm> oh, that's a nice tip
[12:43] <pkunal-parmar> kalikiana, for me also it works
[12:43] <pkunal-parmar> though icon is different
[12:43] <pkunal-parmar> mihir, no, not yet
[12:43] <mihir> pkunal-parmar:  okay :)
[12:46] <mihir> pkunal-parmar: our meeting has been cancelled ?? I can't see in my calendar , only deisng meeting is there
[12:48] <pkunal-parmar> not sure, I can not see either
[12:48] <pkunal-parmar> dpm, should know
[12:48] <JamesTait> dholbach, fix for lp:1239662 is in review.
[12:49] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, mihir, either I or popey must have cancelled, probably because it's release day, but we can still have a chat on IRC if you guys want
[12:49] <mihir> dpm: it has been cancelled the entier reccurence
[12:49] <mihir> dpm: that's fine :) we can resume after our release i guess
[12:50] <dpm> We've done all that we could for the release, and you guys have done really awesome work. Now it's time to relax, have a well-deserved break and enjoy the result of your work :)
[12:50] <dpm> Post-release, one of the first priorities will be to get the events fully working, i.e. with edit and delete functionality
[12:52] <pkunal-parmar> so release is finalized ?
[12:53] <dpm> yeah, today is release day, the final image is to be published in the next few hours
[12:53] <pkunal-parmar> ok, BTW I noticed design hangout was moved one hour later, that is 12.30 here
[12:54] <pkunal-parmar> I would perfer older time 11.30
[12:54] <dpm> oh, weird, I don't remember moving it, let me have a look
[12:54] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[12:55] <mihir> dpm: thanks a lot for your support :)
[12:55] <pkunal-parmar> its move from November
[12:55] <mihir> pkunal-parmar:  thank you for your guidance :)
[12:55] <pkunal-parmar> welcome
[12:56] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, I don't see it changed. What date do you see it changed the time?
[12:56] <pkunal-parmar> for me its 1Nov
[12:56] <pkunal-parmar> 12.30 am
[12:58] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, are you sure it's not a daylight time savings issue?
[12:58] <pkunal-parmar> we dont have daylight saving
[12:59] <pkunal-parmar> do you have ?
[12:59] <pkunal-parmar> so what will be UTS time?
[13:00] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, it'd be 14:30 UTC
[13:00] <dholbach> JamesTait, yeehaw
[13:00] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[13:01] <pkunal-parmar> which is same as before ?
[13:01] <dpm> yeah
[13:02] <popey> Yes, I cancelled all the meetings as we hit release
[13:17] <mihir__> popey:  okay
[14:21] <oSoMoN> dpm: is there a calendar app design hangout today?
[14:21] <dpm> oSoMoN, I thought we skip it, but happy to join if you guys want to hang out. popey, what do you think?
[14:22] <popey> I'm easy, your call
[14:24] <oSoMoN> dpm: I’m fine with skipping, nothing to ask/report anyway
[14:24] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, mihir__, are you happy to skip the design hangout today, or do you guys want to have it?
[14:25] <mihir__> dpm: we can skip for this week, as we have release :)  we can reseme from next week or so
[14:27] <pkunal-parmar> we can skip
[15:13] <balloons> nik90, ping
[15:18] <nik90> balloons: pong
[15:19] <balloons> nik90, hey, thanks for reviewing things :-) I'm curious to look back through the code myself. I was exhausted by the time I finished it, I'm sure it gets lovely in some places
[15:19] <nik90> balloons: hehe
[15:20] <nik90> balloons: we are not in a hurry anymore .. the public release of 1.0 has been done and alarms does not work on it since renato's patch for EDS did not make it into the phone image
[15:20] <balloons> you picked up on some of the funny bits in your review -- things that should work but didn't
[15:20] <balloons> and yes, so we can really tweak this to fix everything
[15:20] <nik90> balloons: exactly
[15:20] <balloons> I hate the get_first nonsense in there
[15:21] <nik90> balloons: also regarding the ordering of the alarms
[15:21] <balloons> for instance :) It's in timer too.. horrible. I should be able to grab any one I wish
[15:21] <nik90> balloons: the alarms API reorders the list based on the alarm closest to the current time
[15:21] <nik90> balloons: hence the list is dynamic
[15:21] <nik90> balloons: I can check with zsombi to see if that can be disabled to help with the AP
[15:21] <balloons> nik90, that's fine. the ordering issue is how the sdk populates the list internally
[15:22] <balloons> not alarms, but the dates
[15:22] <balloons> it goes something like sunday weds, etc, etc random, ending on sat
[15:22] <nik90> balloons: ah that
[15:22] <nik90> balloons: I think I can fix that
[15:22] <balloons> basically I spent time adding extra asserts as I could throughout the code, and often they failed
[15:23] <balloons> that was one example of failure
[15:23] <nik90> balloons: am not really happy at the way clock is at the moment..alarms broken ..consistent bugs with world clock ..hopefulyl next cycle is better of.
[15:23] <balloons> also QQuickListView.count as you mentioned. No it wasn't robust :-( I don't remember why, but I had several iterations getting an alarm count
[15:24] <popey> nik90: we can certainly fix things
[15:24] <balloons> in the end counting labels worked better than anything else
[15:24] <popey> nik90: there is discussion about putting SRU fixes in for platform bits, and we can update the clock itself via the store
[15:24] <nik90> balloons: I heard pkunal parmar also had issues with the count variable concerning EDS..it does not fire the signal correctly leading to faulty alarm count
[15:24] <nik90> popey: okay
[15:25] <balloons> nik90, if it helps there's a secret about releasing. The best image is usually the one made a few days after the release image :-) So next week's iso will be better than the release as it has more fixes, etc :-)
[15:25] <balloons> nik90, yes exactly.. it didn't update
[15:25] <balloons> in general eds needs a bit more love
[15:25] <nik90> balloons: hehe
[15:25] <balloons> so releasing is a big deal.. and so is fixing all the release bugs ;-)
[15:26] <balloons> it's easier now that it's released
[15:35] <popey> nik90: really sorry we didn't manage to get the bits in the final image. I know that was important to you.
[15:36] <nik90> popey: no worries, it doesn't matter since the indicator date-time patch wasnt in the image either..so getting renato's patch alone wouldnt have helped anyway. Its okay...not your fault
[16:58] <popey> beuno: seems that package name / application name / namespace is not clear on the first form as it doesn't match the names of the fields on the technical details page later.
[16:59] <popey> beuno: also, I am not getting any emails
[17:02] <beuno> popey, hmmmm, emails. Are you 100% sure?
[17:02] <popey> i searched my email for the name of the app
[17:03] <popey> nothing
[17:03] <beuno> popey, it'll soon be a non-issue as we'll scan it out of the package
[17:03]  * popey checks spam
[17:03] <popey> yup, no email
[17:04] <beuno> popey, I'll look into emails
[17:06] <popey> ta
[17:07] <SimonK> can anyone tell me how to use the property "highlightWhenPressed" from "ListItem.Empty" in ListItem.Standard? (I want a list where I can press a entry so that this entry gets highlighted)
[17:08] <JamesTait> dholbach, architecture:all is on Staging, looking good, but held up by a separate problem with another fix deployed at the same time.
[17:08] <dholbach> JamesTait, gotcha
[17:08] <dholbach> thanks a bunch for your hard work
[17:09] <dholbach> for the live demo we worked around this by pushing a "fake" armhf click :)
[17:09] <dholbach> but I'll upload an update once the fix is there :)
[17:10] <dholbach> all rightie
[17:10] <dholbach> time to call it a day for me!
[17:10] <JamesTait> dholbach, yeah, apologies for the delay, would have preferred not to have required the workaround.
[17:10] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:10]  * dholbach hugs JamesTait
[17:10] <dholbach> don't worry
[17:10] <dholbach> you've all done a fantastic job
[17:10] <JamesTait> dholbach, have a great evening. :)
[17:10] <dholbach> and as I said in the hangout earlier: I'm super happy with where we are right now
[17:10] <dholbach> getting apps in was never as fun as it is right now
[17:11] <dholbach> all right - see you! :)
[18:50] <mzanetti> popey: hey, I'm afraid it's still the same thing. We use the applicationName in a different way than Qt does
[18:50] <mzanetti> popey: if I set it in the qml file it breaks QSettings
[20:31] <aquarius> mhall119 or popey, has anyone done a post or something somewhere with screenshots of a bunch of the best-looking Ubuntu phone apps? I wanted to show something to a mate of mine to say "this is what they've made; doesn't it look cool?" and couldn't find much -- I can probably assemble something myself by looking around and collecting things, but if someone had a post somewhere with lots of screenshots of apps
[20:31] <aquarius> that'd be handy :)
[20:34] <popey> aquarius: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/
[20:34] <popey> aquarius: I take requests ☻
[20:35] <mhall119> popey: you mean you don't have them all on your phone?
[20:35] <popey> i have every app installed, yes
[20:35] <popey> but dont have screenshots of everything
[20:37] <aquarius> mhall119, I do not, yet, have a phone :)
[20:37] <popey> aquarius: your friends app, beru is broken on device ☹
[20:37] <aquarius> blimey, popey, nuff screenshots ;)
[20:37] <popey> ☻
[20:38] <aquarius> popey, yeah, when I get an Ubuntu phone that'll be top thing on my list to fix; I use the book reader more than almost anything else :)
[20:38] <aquarius> what are your opinions on the best looking apps?
[20:38] <mhall119> aquarius: pdf support in beru would be lovely too
[20:38] <aquarius> I may do a blog post, just so I can direct my mate to it
[20:38] <mhall119> aquarius: music, clock
[20:38] <mhall119> calendar, weather, calculator, shorts
[20:38] <aquarius> mhall119, I think that's a bad idea. I don't think that beru should be an all-purpose document reader
[20:39] <popey> music deffo
[20:39] <mhall119> aquarius: I agree, but I have a lot of ebooks in pdf
[20:39] <aquarius> and reading PDFs is massively, massively different from reading epubs. Totally different rendering engine.
[20:39] <aquarius> it'd basically be a PDF reader app and an epub reader app which hapen to share a home screen ;)
[20:39] <mhall119> aquarius: but we conveniently, thanks to chocanto, have a PDF rendering component for MQL
[20:39] <mhall119> QML
[20:39] <aquarius> isn't there a pdf reader as one of the core apps? I thought there was.
[20:40] <aquarius> obviously not :)
[20:40] <mhall119> aquarius: there is, but it doesn't have the homescreen for selecting books :)
[20:40] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-17-214010.png is new to me
[20:40] <popey> i am taking screenshots of each app now btw aquarius
[20:40] <popey> so refresh and you'll see some more shortly
[20:40] <aquarius> I freely admit that another reason I won't be adding pdf support to beru is that I hate reading PDFs with the heat of a thousand suns :P
[20:41] <aquarius> popey, can that folder process PHP files?
[20:41] <popey> nook renders PDFs nicely
[20:41] <popey> oh, as a gallery?
[20:41] <popey> sure
[20:41] <popey> I guess ☻
[20:41] <aquarius> popey, if so, a "gallery.php" which shows them all would be way handy
[20:41] <popey> sure
[20:41] <popey> gimmie
[20:41] <aquarius> albeit that it'd take AGES to load
[20:41] <mhall119> or upload them all to U1 and share the album
[20:41] <aquarius> popey, how do you get the screenshots in there? manually copy them in? or is there a script?
[20:42] <popey> script
[20:42] <mhall119> popey has magic
[20:42] <aquarius> popey, is it shareable? poking the script to (a) mak a thumbnail and (b) write a gallery.html would be better than doing it at runtime in php :)
[20:42] <nik90> popey: the script magician or the automator (if that is a word)
[20:42] <popey> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/mirfbdump
[20:42] <aquarius> nik90, heh: automator is the OS X thing for making scripts :)
[20:43] <mhall119> nik90: word enough for me :)
[20:43] <popey> every time I take a picture it automagically uploads
[20:43] <popey> and prints the url
[20:43] <nik90> aquarius, mhall119: then it is settled -> Popey the automator
[20:44] <popey> By your command.
[20:44] <aquarius> hm, it scps, so it'd need to ssh over there to get the list of files, which'd be a PITA.
[20:45] <aquarius> so maybe just add a thumbnailer line
[20:45] <aquarius> convert $DST -resize 100x200 thumb-$DST; scp thumb-$DST $SVR:$SVRPATH
[20:45] <aquarius> and then I'll write a noddy php script to show a gallery :)
[20:45] <aquarius> for extra credit, thumbnail all the existing files :P
[20:48] <aquarius> thumbnailing all existing files: for f in *.png; do convert $f -resize 100x200 thumb-$f; done
[20:48] <aquarius> (in the folder ont he server, of course :))
[20:50] <popey> ok, thumbnails are there now
[20:54] <aquarius> popey, the noddiest of php scripts: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6253234/
[20:54] <aquarius> call it gallery.php and drop it in the folder :)
[20:56] <popey> k
[20:57] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/gallery.php
[20:57] <popey> boom
[20:57] <popey> nice one aquarius
[20:57] <aquarius> woooo gallery.
[20:57] <popey> haha, my cock soup photo
[20:57] <aquarius> that's cool :)
[20:58] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-09-17-123401.png
[20:58] <aquarius> popey, did you add the thumbnailing lines to the script as well, so future stuff gets thumbnailed?
[20:58] <popey> yes
[20:58] <aquarius> nice
[20:58] <aquarius> also, good luck playing cookie clicker on a phone. It zooms in and out :)
[20:58] <popey> :D
[20:58] <popey> i noticed
[20:59]  * popey tests script
[21:00] <popey> convert.im6: WriteBlob Failed `thumb-/home/alan/Pictures/device-2013-10-17-215950.png' @ error/png.c/MagickPNGErrorHandler/1728.
[21:00] <popey> doh
[21:00]  * popey fettles
[21:00] <aquarius> ha!
[21:00] <aquarius> sorry :)
[21:01] <aquarius> you get to hat up on $(basename $f) now. :)
[21:01] <popey> yeah, already have that in there
[21:01] <popey> need to juggle things a bit
[21:05] <aquarius> ok, photo requests: music (looking as pretty and visual as possible), calculator, a nicer shorts shot, weather
[21:05] <popey> done
[21:05] <popey> pushed new version which does thumbnails
[21:05] <aquarius> mhall119, there is a reasonable argument, I think, that the front screen for books ought to be... a books scope in the Dash
[21:06] <mhall119> aquarius: conveniently we used to have a books scope
[21:06] <aquarius> *nod*
[21:06] <mhall119> beru would still need to be updated to take a book argument
[21:07] <aquarius> you'd have one scope which was Books, and it would aggregate a Beru scope and a PDF-Reader-App scope and the books category from the Amazon scope, etc
[21:07] <mhall119> also I think we'd need the content-hub fully implemented
[21:07] <aquarius> I am 16% sure that it can take a book argument.
[21:07] <aquarius> Agreed on the content hub, I admit. :)
[21:12] <aquarius> popey, sorry, forgot to direct the above list of photo requests at you ;)
[21:12] <popey> aquarius: done some
[21:12] <popey> see if they are there
[21:12] <aquarius> popey, ah, cool! soz
[21:13] <popey> shorts is giving me a black screen
[21:13] <aquarius> popey, also, Dropping Letters, just because if I'm publishing a list of apps that I think look cool I'd like to put in one of the apps that I wrote :P
[21:13] <aquarius> donna summer!
[21:13] <aquarius> rawk.
[21:13] <aquarius> couldn't have taken a screenshot with, say, AC/DC :)
[21:14] <aquarius> you do already have a Shorts one, but I think it looks a bit weird, like half the screen is empty.  Linux is about choice, after all
[21:17] <aquarius> hey! http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-17-220825.png !
[21:17] <aquarius> I am not sure I like the implication there :)
[21:18] <popey> hahaha
[21:18] <popey> you're generous
[21:18] <popey> is what I read from it
[21:19]  * aquarius winces at AT&T in the shorts screenshot :(
[21:19] <popey> damnit, saucybacon is broken too
[21:22] <popey> aquarius: patches welcome
[21:28] <popey> aquarius: any more you need?
[21:29] <aquarius> popey, that's fantastic, thank you!
[21:29] <aquarius> http://kryogenix.org/days/2013/10/17/ubuntu-phone-apps-images posted
[21:29] <aquarius> now I can point Mike at it :)
[21:32] <aquarius> popey, if you'd rather I didn't link to your gallery, I'll remove the link
[21:34] <popey> nah, tis fine
[21:37]  * aquarius hehs at popey's comment. Quite right.
[21:37] <popey> aquarius: hurry up and tweet / G+ it so i can reshare
[21:37] <aquarius> oh! you think? I was really only doing it so I had a link to send to Mike.
[21:37] <aquarius> will put it on g+ :)
[21:37] <popey> well duh
[21:40] <aquarius> done
[21:42] <popey> nice one
[21:45] <aquarius> popey, is part of the goal for the screenshots thing to chronicle the evolution of the apps over time?
[21:45] <popey> kinda
[21:45] <popey> more just an easy way to share individual screenshots
[21:45] <aquarius> 'cos some people might see the list and think that it's representative of the apps now, is all
[21:46] <popey> as a byproduct there's quite a collection there
[21:46] <popey> i also have an archive of a lot of the images too
[21:46] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/
[21:46] <aquarius> not that I have a good solution to that, other than "popey does a whole bunch of classification work which will basically persuade him to just not do screenshots" :)
[21:46] <popey> going back to june
[21:46] <popey> jej
[21:47] <aquarius> email sent to mike, too. Sweet.
[21:47] <aquarius> I suppose I ought to get back to work, now :)
[22:20] <aquarius> woah, grooveshark's html version is controllable from the ios7 lock screen. It wasn't from ios6. I'd really like that to work on an Ubuntu phone...
[22:27] <popey> aquarius: thanks ☻  http://popey.com/usage/usage_201310.html
[22:28] <aquarius> oops
[22:28] <aquarius> I did say I'd remove the link :)
[22:28] <aquarius> put an ad on the page ;)
[22:28] <popey> nah, it's cool ☻
[22:28] <popey> i have oodles of spare bandwidth on that box
[22:30] <aquarius> I shall see what I can do about that ;)
[22:35] <popey> hah
[23:04] <aquarius> mhall119, ping about http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/lenses-and-scopes/ - it's the top hit for a search for "ubuntu scope", and I think it's an out-of-date page which ought to be poked into pointing at newer stuff?
[23:04]  * aquarius is configuring scopes on and off to convince the dash that I like recipes more than music :)
[23:04] <mhall119> aquarius: agreed, I'll file an RT to add a redirect
[23:04] <cm-t> Hi, I am trying to open gnome-control-center on the activity-log-manager subpanel, it is working. Is it possible to  select the tab to focus? like search tab
[23:05] <cm-t> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253793/
[23:05] <cm-t> (python)
[23:06] <cm-t> in this code I added "search" to mean what i want, but might be not the good way/id
[23:06] <aquarius> cm-t, what's the activity-log-manager subpanel?
[23:06] <aquarius> (that is: what's it called in the GUI?)
[23:06] <aquarius> I don't seem to have anything called hat :)
[23:06] <cm-t> when you go in ubuntu settings, you have privacy panel
[23:06] <cm-t> aquarius:
[23:06] <cm-t> ↑
[23:07] <cm-t> this code works without "search"
[23:07] <aquarius> cm-t, ah, you want to open the "Security & Privacy" panel, and then show the Search tab inside it, all in one command.
[23:07] <cm-t> all in one command or not, i wish i could make it focus to the search tabs, yes
[23:08] <aquarius> I don't think it's possible to make any System Settings app start up showing a tab other than the default, from a command.
[23:08] <cm-t> the code in the paste open well the privacy panel
[23:08] <aquarius> It might be possible with a D-Bus call, though.
[23:09] <aquarius> the man page names some of the panels (which you are using correctly) and does say "Individual panels may accept further arguments to specify which tab to open (for multi-tabbed panels)" but doesn't say whether that paicular panel actually *does* so accept.
[23:12] <aquarius> cm-t, a good person to ask might be Robert Ancell
[23:14] <aquarius> mhall119, I already mentioned about the Unicode stuff being broken on some developer.u.c pages, didn't I?
[23:14] <cm-t> thanxs aquarius
[23:37] <mhall119> aquarius: yes, I fixed what I found though, if there's more please file a bug
[23:37] <aquarius> mhall119, file it against which project?


[04:10] <fkdsflsm> how do you change the language in ubuntu now?
[04:10] <fkdsflsm> also, it is necessary to completely change the ui each 6 months?
[04:18] <OerHeks> never knew the COMPLETE ui changed with this version.
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[15:54] <Dreaman> kak e lameri
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[15:54] <Dreaman> Uptime: 10m 13s **
[20:19] <Papangelo> Hi, I have a brand new hardware machine (Broadwell i7, GM204 nVidia GTX970m G-Sync, USB 3.1, possibly optimus but it only switches cards on reboot not on the fly, Atheros 1525 Killer networking). I can't get it through an install on 15.04, 15.10 or 15.10 daily from 28/08 without a kernel panic.
[20:35] <penguin42> ooh fun, what does the panic say?
[20:41] <Papangelo> When trying to install, it just locks up solid with no error and flashing CAPS. In Live mode I've seen a "machine check, not synching across CPUs" and something I didn't quite catch that mentioned a "timeout" and "CPU0"
[20:41] <Papangelo> Sorry, a timeout, microcode and CPU0
[20:42] <penguin42> Papangelo: On the boot menu of the CD is a safe mode or something like that  you normally should get some text on the screen if it does panic; if you can get a screenshot of that panic it would be good - e.g. with a camera
[20:43] <penguin42> Papangelo: Or if you can just get the screenshot of that timeout or machine check
[20:43] <Papangelo> OK. I'll try that.
[20:43] <penguin42> Papangelo: Machinechecks in general are something wrong with hardware, but not always
[20:44] <Papangelo> I've been running Windows 10 on the machine for over a month now and it's been rock solid. It's a brand new machine so it could have an issue but I'd want to be convinced as the Windows performance is so good.
[20:45] <penguin42> ok
[20:46] <penguin42> Papangelo: Anyway, try and get the screenshot; what brand/model of machine?
[20:48] <Papangelo> http://www.msi.com/product/notebook/GT72-2QD-Dominator-G.html#hero-specification MSI GT72 2QD.  COmes in at 3.something Kg
[20:51] <penguin42> Papangelo: So I can see people with bug reports on the GT72 2QD saying they have specific problems, e.g. with networking, so that tells me that people have got further on their systems than you have
[20:52] <Papangelo> The slightly older build of he machine has a Haswell i7 and chipset. This is the just-out version with Broadwell.
[20:52] <penguin42> Papangelo: If you're really lucky you'll get a nice backtrace visible, because a backtrace can give a hint to what's wrong
[20:53] <penguin42> Papangelo: Have you got the latest firmware in there?
[20:53] <Papangelo> Somebody at our LUG meet today said I should try to find a "crash kernel" that would capture the info as it falls over.
[20:53] <Papangelo> I have the .314 UEFI BIOS which was the latest the last time I looked (last week)
[20:54] <penguin42> ok, cool
[20:54] <Papangelo> I haven't updated the Intel Management Engine.
[20:54] <penguin42> less likely to be an issue, but hey
[20:54] <penguin42> Papangelo: Still, lets see if we can get any further with a picture of the crash messages
[20:54] <Papangelo> I tried to update the Video BIOS but the installer said it wasn't appropriate for my card.
[20:55] <penguin42> hmm a little worrying
[20:55] <Papangelo> OK. I'll try to boot it off a 15.10 standard disc and try to provoke it into dying.
[20:55] <penguin42> how long does it take - does it always fail at the same point?
[20:56] <Papangelo> My card has the new G-Sync feature that, with an enabled monitor, reclocked the refresh rate to match the game you're running on the fly if the refresh rate drops to stop tearing.
[20:57] <Papangelo> It generally falls over when the installer tries to write th epartitioning to the discs or 73% through the install but not always.
[20:57] <penguin42> Papangelo: Also, it might be worth trying doing it with the minimum stuff plugged in, say no external monitor, as few USB devices as you need - keep it simple until you get a happy install
[20:57] <Papangelo> This is with nothing external plugged at all.
[20:58] <penguin42> ok, good
[21:00] <Papangelo> The machine has Intel RST which the install disc didn't support so I changed the SSDs to a pair of larger ones then turned off RAID to run them in AHCI mode. Before the Ubuntu DVD couldn't see the internal drives and said there was no operating system installed.
[21:01] <Papangelo> The out-the-box config was a pair of 128GB SSDs RAID0 with RST to make a single 256GB volume. I stuck a pair of larger Samsung 850 EVO SSDs in so there is one drive for Linux, one for WIndows.
[21:02] <penguin42> RAID0'ing SSDs? Curious way to do it!
[21:02] <penguin42> anyway, without the error messages there's not really anything else to suggest
[21:04] <Papangelo> Yeah, I think the factory worked out that a pair of 128s was cheaper than the 256 they promised it had and thought they'd maximise the profit.
[21:05] <Papangelo> They're these new M.2. SSDs so none o my old 2.5" ones fit in the case.
[21:06] <penguin42> yeh that's just to make life easy
[21:06] <Papangelo> Those two M2s take up less room in the case than one 2.5"
[21:06] <penguin42> right, time for a shower, back soon
[21:07] <Papangelo> Thank you. I will reboot and try to record failure. Back later :)
[21:07] <Papangelo> Thank you.
[21:07] <Papangelo> Which timezone are you in?
[21:07] <penguin42> The UK lazy weekend timezone
[21:07] <Papangelo> Same here.
[21:08] <penguin42> so I'll be around for a good few hours yet, but not for about the next hour
[21:08] <Papangelo> I'm up most of the night. I start the night shift on Monday.
[23:39] <penguin42> Wily's X is just flaky as hell
[23:43] <Papangelo> penguin42. OK I just had a try with the latest daily and Ubiquity is failing on a DBUS exception now. apport thinks it's bug 1495017
[23:43] <penguin42> I guess that's a separate bug
[23:44] <Papangelo> I tried adding acpi_osi=Linux as well and got the odd lock up but I couldn't reproduce the failure in an environment that gave me a backtrace
[23:45] <penguin42> yeh that's tricky to debug then;  how far does it get before it fails?
[23:46] <TJ-> Flakey X? how so? It's been rock solid for me so far
[23:47] <Papangelo> It gets the desktop up. Once it locked before I did anything. The other times it lets me try to start Ubiquity.The desktop appears functional. In install mode, you get the wallpaper and the top bar but the dock never appears
[23:47] <penguin42> TJ-: backtrace shows WaitForSoemthing-FlushAllOutput on Intel
[23:48] <TJ-> texture buffer issue?
[23:48] <penguin42> ?
[23:50] <penguin42> hmm, I thought I'd filed a bug on it and someone said they'd fixed it, but I can't find the bug
[23:51] <penguin42> ah bug 1492503
[23:52] <penguin42> so I've probably not got the fix yet that was released on the 8th ?