[00:00] <pigeonflight> Having some issues doing a dist-upgrade
[00:01] <hcooh> hello, I am on Kubuntu remix with kde4.1, I have a problem with a lot of process that are duplicate, is it normal ??
[00:02] <hcooh> For exemple I have two Xorg, and each take 170 Mo of memory !!
[00:02] <hcooh> Can I kill one of those process ?
[00:03] <pigeonflight> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[00:03] <pigeonflight> dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[00:03] <pigeonflight> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
[00:04] <pigeonflight> subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[00:06] <sd132> !md5
[00:06] <shane2peru> what seems to be the thoughts on kde 4.1? Is it an improvement over 4.0
[00:06] <shane2peru> Is it usable?
[00:07] <shane2peru> I tried 4.0 and it was ok, but had issues, and was rather incomplete
[00:07] <pigeonflight> shane2peru: improvement yes
[00:07] <pigeonflight> Usable You judge
[00:07] <shane2peru> pigeonflight: are you using it on a daily basis?
[00:08] <sd132> so the kubuntu md5 is the same as the ubuntu md5?
[00:08] <shane2peru> if you are using it on a daily basis, then it is probably more usable than 4.0 was. :)
[00:08] <shane2peru> I'm downloading it now, but wanted to get some thoughts from some others
[00:09] <pigeonflight> shane2peru: Yes
[00:10] <pigeonflight> But then I did the same with 4.0
[00:10] <shane2peru> right, I used 4.0 for a while, but got tired of some of the minor problems
[00:10] <shane2peru> they weren't major, just needed some more dev time.
[00:10] <pigeonflight> shane2peru: It's really up to you :-) it may be missing one thing that you can't get over
[00:10] <pigeonflight> On the ohter hand it can have one feature that you find you can't live without after a few days
[00:11] <shane2peru> right, it does seem stable over all thought right?
[00:11] <pigeonflight>  in anycase #kubuntu-kde4 is where you want to be
[00:11] <shane2peru> ahh, pigeonflight right, I forgot about that.
[00:11] <di48lo> can someone help me auto mount some disks, having mad hassles with it
[00:12] <shane2peru> thanks pigeonflight
[00:13] <bdizzle> okay, why isn't my printer working?
[00:14] <di48lo> I have kubuntu on sdb and want to auto mount other partitions on my sdb drive??
[00:14] <bdizzle> hold on... it might  be working ... yay!
[00:15] <bdizzle> awesome, I have a working printer. Now I gotta check the scanner part
[00:17] <bdizzle> okay, scanner isn't working. Anyone know about getting the scanner to work?
[00:17] <al__> #oss
[00:18] <BraveSpear> anyone know how to lock kde at 1024x768x60hz at boot time in xorg.conf?
[00:20] <BraveSpear> I was told to add a modeline to xorg.conf : Modeline "1024x768" 60.80  1024 1056 1128 1272   768  768  770  796
[00:21] <kushou> hi
[00:21] <kushou> what is your probleme ?
[00:22] <kushou> -e
[00:22] <tocki> how to install kde4.1 on kubuntu ? :-)
[00:23] <kushou> you are using KDE 3.5.9 ?
[00:23] <BraveSpear> I am creating a livecd for my employer and my boss wants me to lock the screen resolution at 1024x768 @ 60hz.. yes, kde 3.5+ (installed from apt-get install kde-core)
[00:24] <hcooh> tocki : follow this http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1
[00:28] <pigeonflight> How do I fix a dangling symlink?
[00:28] <pigeonflight> !kde4
[00:28] <kushou> BraveSpear: why did you not download kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.0
[00:29] <kushou> and tell to your employer to update this
[00:30] <kushou> ?
[00:30] <kushou> i don't know if it's possible
[00:31] <Pigeon`> Someone know if I can change Audacious skin grey color
[00:35] <smarty> hey all -- questoin :: i need to make a character i found in KCharaSelect.. How do I type it in (knowing the code)
[00:35] <smarty> Like, the code is U+2720
[00:35] <smarty> What do I hit for 'U'
[00:36] <smarty> anyone?
[00:36] <[pyro]> is it possible to encrypted my entire drive (apart from boot) on an already installed system?
[00:36] <smarty> I dont see why not
[00:36] <smarty> But I could be wrong
[00:40] <nuxil> has anyone tried Crunchy ?
[00:40] <kushou> smarty: i don't know how to do that
[00:41] <kushou> nuxil: not me
[00:43] <nuxil> man #ubuntu is hopless to be in
[00:43] <nuxil> 1252 ppl in
[00:43] <nuxil> ;0
[00:44] <smarty> Lol
[00:44] <smarty> Ha
[00:45] <nuxil> i prolly need to spam the channnel for ppl to see my Question'
[00:45] <leumas> luis why change of nick?
[00:51] <baudthief> sometimes when I start Kubuntu, icons that should be in the notification area are on the desktop (in their own tiny window)
[00:51] <baudthief> is there some sort of fix for that?
[00:51] <BraveSpear> kushou: I am using kde-core which installs with KDE 3.5.  KDE 4 is a little to different for our users.. need something that more closely matches WinXP interface.
[00:52] <dwidmann> nuxil: #ubuntu probably is hopeless. I've seen people in here with all sorts of questions before because a) either they like the people better here or b) their questions actually get answered here ... or some combination thereof ...kind of sad indeed.
[00:53] <Pigeon`> How do i change te default application for like mp3
[00:53] <kushou> baudthief: KDE ?
[00:54] <nuxil> dwidmann, yea,, i seen that too
[00:54] <kushou> BraveSpear: so you couldn't use KDE 4.1 but 3.5.9
[00:55] <smarty> Pigeon -- Right click on the item, Open with>Other
[00:55] <dwidmann> Pigeon`: right click on any mp3 file, go to properties, click on the little wrench next to the file type, and you should be able to alter it in the screen that comes up.
[00:57] <leumas> kaffein closes wen i ty to play dvds.wat do i do?
[00:57] <Pigeon`> thx dwidmann
[00:59] <dwidmann> leumas: it's a bit whacky with DVD playback lately (much to my dismay), do you have the essentials installed (ie: libdvdcss2, libdvdread3, libdvdnav4)
[01:00] <leumas> tanx i'll try installin them
[01:00] <dwidmann> leumas: libdvdcss2 isn't in the repositories, try running this script: /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh
[01:08] <alfffy> I can't get ndiswrapper installed
[01:09] <baudthief> kushou: yeah, looks like it fixed itself after using compiz as default wm heh
[01:09] <baudthief> one more though, how do you fix the checkbox bug? When you select a checkbox, it turns into a gray square 4 times its size lol
[01:09] <alfffy> when i type sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common it says it can't find the package
[01:10] <Dragnslcr> !info ndiswrapper-common
[01:10] <kushou> alfffy: you've got the network connection on the computer where you type there ?
[01:11] <alfffy> kushou: yes
[01:11] <alfffy> ubottu: thats not what i see
[01:13] <kushou> alfffy: go to adept and type ndiswrapper in the shearch form
[01:13] <kushou> (hum, sorry for my bad english but i'm french)
[01:13] <alfffy> I already tried that ... no results
[01:13] <kushou> ok
[01:13] <alfffy> no problem
[01:14] <kushou> wait a minute please
[01:15] <kushou> alfffy: sudo apt-get update
[01:16] <kushou> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:16] <alfffy> i'll try that
[01:16] <kushou> may be it can solve your problem
[01:17] <gimpysmurf> i've been looking round online for the batter part of two night s now...  does anyone know whats up with not being able to see my cd rom drive? i noticed as i was trying to burn a cd.. but now that i'm looking at it, it can't see cd's at all..  shouldn'
[01:17] <gimpysmurf> t this mount into /media/cdrom0 or something?
[01:17] <gimpysmurf> or /dev/sd0 or some such?
[01:17] <gimpysmurf> oh right, Hardy 8.04
[01:18] <gimpysmurf> is there a way to directly access the thing? i'mbeen playing with cdrecord.. but it thorws errors saying i don't have any such devices...   = /
[01:19] <alfffy> kushou: that worked ...... thank you very much
[01:23] <kushou> alfffy: you're welcome :)
[01:27] <sd132> what is the name of the nvidia driver installer?
[01:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> sd132: depends on your card
[01:27] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: nvidia gforce 440 mx
[01:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> sd132: nvidia-glx
[01:29] <yuka> hello, i'm trying to customize my top panel. i'm on a laptop and when i first tried using the trackpad after install, the mouse went crazy and moved a lot of the icons. i am now trying to move everything back. i currently have the icons all together on the left. i want to split it the way it was at default, with the shutdown, time, battery, etc icons on the right hand side. but i can't seem to be able to do it. any ideas?
[01:29] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: im thinking of a third party program
[01:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're probably thinking of envy
[01:29] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: has a wierd name
[01:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> which is used to install the most current drivers
[01:30] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: thats it, thanks
[01:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> don't use it
[01:31] <sd132> why?
[01:31] <dwidmann> "sudo apt-get install envyng" " sudo envyng -t"
[01:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> your card will get absolutely no benefit from updated drivers
[01:31]  * Daisuke_Laptop cringes
[01:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: you just made an infant deity weep
[01:31] <sd132> my refresh rate is wrong and has no setting for the proper setting
[01:31] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: that's not always the case ... performance improvements can sometimes be had if their was something wrong with them, bug fixes can be had too ...
[01:31] <vlada> i've just installed kde4.1 and my window decorator crashes everytime (after reboot)
[01:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: for a card that old that i don't even think is supported in the newer drivers?
[01:31] <dwidmann> I'm kind of hoping for some bug fixes myself ....
[01:31] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: it is, i was running it a couple of days ago on ubuntu
[01:31] <vlada> i have manualy started kde-window-decorator (but all i see is old kde3.5 window frame) :/
[01:32] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: I think the geforce 4's are the oldest supported, I'm not sure if the MX's (the suck version of the geforce 4, really more like a geforce 2 as the geforce 3's were actually better) are supported or not
[01:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> and this is the same install, you just installed kubuntu-desktop?
[01:32] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: no just reinstalled kubuntu
[01:33] <bdizzle> okay, need help installing Kubuntu on my desktop ... with a firewalled internet connection that requires firefox, Java, and wine to be able to run the internet
[01:34] <bdizzle> err, get to the internet to be able to install the rest of the programs
[01:34] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: and the glx drivers have the worng refresh rate, and the nevy drivers fix the problem
[01:35] <dwidmann> oops
[01:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> sd132: in that case, follow dwidmann's advice
[01:35] <sd132> Daisuke_Laptop: ok thanks
[01:39] <sd132> <pushing the envelope with a samsung syncmster 206bw on the nvidia gforce 440mx card..:)
[01:41] <sd132> !envy
[01:44] <dolo>  any one here have a custom boot splash using usplash or any other program?
[01:45] <alfffy> I'm having trouble using ndiswrapper
[01:45] <dolo> I'm trying to make a custom .so file
[01:45] <alfffy> I install the driver, but when I type ndiswapper -l it only lists the driver and not the hardware
[01:48] <dolo> anyone know how to make a custom .so theme file for usplash ?
[01:48] <bdizzle> how do I install firefox from a .tar.bz2 file?
[01:48] <bdizzle> or is there a .deb file somewhere of it?
[01:49] <alfffy> anyone familiar with ndiswrapper?
[01:49] <dolo> why not use the package manager and just type mozilla
[01:49] <Githzerai> !usplash | dolo
[01:49] <bdizzle> ...because I can't get connected to the internet
[01:50] <dolo> hey Githzerai i have that its for picking a custom usplash from ones made by other people
[01:50] <bdizzle> I just moved into a dorm and they have a software firewall that I must install a check program before I can get to the internet. Unfortunately, said program is a) a .exe file, and b) requires Java to install
[01:50] <dolo> im trying to make a usplash theme of my own
[01:50] <bdizzle> so I need to try to install firefox and Java from scratch. I have a working computer (laptop) that is connected to the internet via wireless, and a jump drive to transfer files over
[01:50] <Githzerai> dolo: I think you wil find comlete tutorial on that link
[01:51] <dolo> ya the tutorial i been trying to make work for the past 2 days
[01:51] <dolo> i have that page bookmarked
[01:51] <alfffy> could anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[01:52] <dolo> i been having trouble getting mine to work so i been looking now to see if someone else maybe has gotten it to work and could give me some help
[01:53] <dolo> theres quite a few on gnome-look but nothing I really liked
[01:53] <dolo> do you have one Githzerai
[01:56] <dolo> so far ive made 11 .so files using that tutorial and none work
[01:56] <dolo> even altered the vga setting and now i switched back to the default usplash it looks lower quality but none of those .so files i made seem to work
[01:57] <bdizzle> is there a .deb file available for Linux?
[01:58] <bdizzle> err, sorry, for firefox
[01:58] <Dragnslcr> It's in the repository
[01:58] <Dragnslcr> !info firefox
[01:58] <dolo> Githzerai: any idea?
[01:58] <bdizzle> I can't get to the repository
[01:59] <alfffy> I install the driver, but when I type ndiswapper -l it only lists the driver and not the hardware
[01:59] <bdizzle> other than what is on the Kubuntu 8.04 disk, I can't get anything in
[01:59] <Dragnslcr> You might be able to get the .deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> bdizzle- http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/web/firefox
[02:03] <bdizzle> does that come with the dependencies?
[02:04] <bdizzle> and is there one available for Java too?
[02:06] <bdizzle> how do we search packages.ubuntu.com/hardy?
[02:07] <bdizzle> or do we have to run through the links?
[02:07] <Dragnslcr> I thought I saw a search box on the page
[02:17] <oscar> español
[02:17] <bdizzle> oh this is going to be a fun game
[02:17] <oscar> español
[02:17] <bdizzle> trying to run through the packages and see what dependencies there are
[02:17] <kaminix> !nvidia
[02:17] <kaminix> Yay!
[02:19] <bazhang> !es | oscar
[02:24] <paule118> isst du kacke ? (mooning) bei skype sind nur spinner !
[02:24] <r00t_> whoah buddy
[02:27] <alfffy> could anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[02:30] <Fieldy> hello, what do I need to do to use wpa2 on my laptops wireless? wpa_supplicant is installed. i am a new kubuntu user but an experienced linux user.
[02:31] <posingaspopular> Fieldy: knetwork manager
[02:31] <Fieldy> posingaspopular: i believe i was there, and it offered me wep options but not wpa. let me look again (system is in the other room)
[02:32] <unik> how do i install .tar i m a new user
[02:33] <alfffy> anyone with ndiswrapper knowledge ????
[02:34] <posingaspopular> Fieldy: ive never had a problem with knetworkmanager using wpa2
[02:35] <Fieldy> posingaspopular: okay, turns out i had not been using knetworkmanager. got it set up -- thank you!
[02:37] <bdizzle> okay, questions on dependencies
[02:37] <bdizzle> I tried installing sun-java6-bin, and it said it needed sun-java6-jre
[02:37] <bdizzle> fine
[02:37] <bdizzle> I tried installling sun-java6-jre, and it claims it needs sun-java6-bin|ia32-sun-java6-bin
[02:37] <bdizzle> is there a circle going on somewhere?
[02:39] <posingaspopular> yes bdizzle
[02:39] <posingaspopular> it's called dependancy hell
[02:39] <bdizzle> lol
[02:39] <bdizzle> almost as bad as .dll hell
[02:39] <bdizzle> well, without internet connection on the computer I'm installing Kubuntu on, I have a laptop (which I am on) with internet (obviously) and a jump drive, transferring files back and forth
[02:40] <bdizzle> okay, I don't get this one
[02:40] <bdizzle> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ia32-sun-java6-bin
[02:40] <bdizzle> is there a way to download the java files from the repository into a temp folder, rather than its usual place?
[02:42] <bdizzle> which it claims is only available for the AMD 64 machines, not the usual i386 machines
[02:43] <dwidmann> bdizzle: dpkg -i sun-java6-jre* sun-java6-bin*
[02:44] <bdizzle> where would that download it to?
[02:45] <bdizzle> dwidmann, the program is that I am trying to install firefox and java on a desktop that currently cannot connect to the internet thanks to a stupid college network that requires me to download a java .exe program to connect first
[02:48] <alfffy> could anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[02:48] <alfffy> please ???
[02:48] <skii>  i was woundering, does anyone know how to install linux on/in protible media player creative zen v plus?
[02:49] <bdizzle> skii: if no one knows, try posting on the forums at www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:49] <bdizzle> they might know there
[02:50] <skii>  ok, let me refraze the ? i would like to run linux off of my creative zen, would anyone be able to help me out?
[02:50] <skii>  bdizzle: i already have tried there and nothing srry
[02:51] <dwidmann> bdizzle: dpkg is used to install debs that have already been downloaded somehow or other
[02:52] <bdizzle> ok
[02:52] <skii>  would anyone know how to run linux from/off a cell phone???
[02:55] <bdizzle> okay, I'm looking for the architecture independent sun-java-jre files
[02:55] <posingaspopular> bdizzle: you can probably msg the tech department and talk to them about that .exe issue
[02:56] <posingaspopular> and they can work around that
[02:56] <bdizzle> yeah, they're stupid and barely work with (or know what) Linux
[02:56] <alfffy> anyone with ndiswrapper knowledge ????
[02:57] <andrboot> Hi; i am wondering how to get Power Management in KDE 4.1
[03:03] <alfffy> PLEASE ....can anyone help with ndiswrapper
[03:04] <bdizzle> no alfffy, post on ubuntuforums and see if someone can do it there
[03:04] <bdizzle> otherwise, pay for Canonical tech support if you cannot be patient or try to figure it out yourself
[03:04] <andrboot> @ alfffy there is plenty of how tos on google.com
[03:04] <andrboot> it really isn't that complicated.
[03:05] <alfffy> DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I WOULD HAVE SPENT AN HOUR ON THIS CHANNEL IF I HADN'T ALREADY CHECKED GOOGLE !!?!?!?!?!!??
[03:05] <bazhang> !ndiswrapper
[03:06] <bazhang> alfffy, need much more info
[03:06] <andrboot> alfffy you obiously didn't look hard enough.
[03:06] <alfffy> ^ ouch
[03:06] <andrboot> and the my problem with powermanagemnt.. heh :p i would like a more "safer" option then running kde 3.5's kpowersave lol
[03:06] <bazhang> !info ndisqt
[03:06] <alfffy> i've been trying to install this card for weeks
[03:06] <bazhang> alfffy, which card
[03:06] <alfffy> a DWL 650
[03:07] <bazhang> alfffy, what chipset
[03:07] <alfffy> realtek (i think)
[03:07] <bazhang> alfffy, check
[03:07] <andrboot> alfffy, thats a pretty old card
[03:07] <alfffy> apologies if I'm a little impatient, but his is quite frusturating
[03:08] <bdizzle> linux can be frustrating, believe me
[03:08] <bazhang> alfffy, this is a usb dongle?
[03:08] <alfffy> nope
[03:08] <alfffy> pcmcia
[03:08] <andrboot> pretty old one @ that :\
[03:08] <bazhang> alfffy, tell us the exact chipset
[03:08] <alfffy> how owuld i find that out???
[03:08] <andrboot> seems to only support wep :\
[03:08] <andrboot> @ alfffy lspci
[03:09] <bazhang> alfffy, are you hotplugging it or have it in on boot
[03:09] <alfffy> ^no idea what either of those mean
[03:09] <andrboot> o.o
[03:09] <bazhang> alfffy, are you inserting said card into computer when it is turned on, or starting computer with said card already inserted
[03:09] <bdizzle> linux is a wonderful thing, just as soon as you get it working
[03:10]  * andrboot shuts up
[03:10] <alfffy> starting w/ card inserted
[03:10] <bdizzle> is there a .deb file for firefox, and if not, how do I install from the .tar.bz2 file?
[03:10] <bazhang> alfffy, do you currently have access to the computer in question
[03:10] <bdizzle> I'm still learning installation from source
[03:10] <bazhang> bdizzle, what version of ubuntu
[03:10] <alfffy> I'm on the comp in question vis wired connection
[03:10] <bdizzle> kubuntu 8.04
[03:11] <bazhang> alfffy, and is the card currently inserted
[03:11] <alfffy> output of lspci: http://pastebin.com/med22898
[03:11] <bdizzle> I don't have internet connection working, so I need to transfer from this computer to the other via my jump drive
[03:11] <bdizzle> its crazy
[03:11] <alfffy> yes ... its inserted
[03:11] <alfffy> I install the driver, but when I type ndiswapper -l it only lists the driver and not the hardware
[03:11] <bazhang> alfffy, just tell us the single line for that card here
[03:11] <andrboot> its not picking it up :p
[03:11] <alfffy> i don't know which line is the card
[03:11] <bdizzle> okay, hold on
[03:11] <andrboot> its not tehre heh
[03:12] <bdizzle> does this page describe it properly bazhang?
[03:12] <bdizzle> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/install-firefox3tarbz2-linux/
[03:12] <andrboot> alfffy does that card work?
[03:12] <bdizzle> if I follow directions I can install easily
[03:12] <andrboot> in windows @ least
[03:12] <alfffy> yes ... I have a dual boot with windows .... it works on windows
[03:12] <andrboot> riight
[03:13] <andrboot> because i don't see it there :p
[03:13] <andrboot> @ alfffy can i see a copy of your "dmesg" ?
[03:13] <alfffy> so how would we fix that
[03:13] <andrboot> so dmesg > file.txt and pastebin file.txt :p
[03:13] <bazhang> alfffy, make sure that windows does not shutdown that card on reboot
[03:13] <andrboot> bazhang wouldn't matter still should be picked up :p
[03:14] <bazhang> andrboot, not always
[03:14] <alfffy> ok
[03:14] <andrboot> bazhang hmm. i had a issue with an old cisco card a while back heh that was fun :D
[03:15] <andrboot> must just go back to gentoo
[03:15] <andrboot> lol
[03:16] <alfffy> output of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m7c4a7e8e
[03:16] <bdizzle> how can I check to make sure java is installed properly (without having access to internet)
[03:18] <alfffy> "alfffy, make sure that windows does not shutdown that card on reboot" what does this mean?
[03:18] <andrboot> bdizzle check installed software
[03:18] <bdizzle> and how can I download the firefox-3.0 package without internet either?
[03:18] <bdizzle> will that recognize packages installed from source?
[03:19] <orangepeelbeef> you can get the firefox-3.0 package and put it on a usb key
[03:19] <bdizzle> yeah, I was trying to
[03:19] <bdizzle> it only gave me the .tar.bz2 file of it, there is no .deb file that I know of
[03:19] <orangepeelbeef> ah
[03:19] <orangepeelbeef> you need to pull the package from the ubuntu repository
[03:20] <orangepeelbeef> why do you not have internet :P
[03:20] <andrboot> @ alfffy you seem to be already trying to use ndiswrapper :p
[03:20] <andrboot> lol
[03:20] <bdizzle> because my school is retarded and requires that we download a .exe file to have them "check" your computer and authenticate it
[03:20] <andrboot> according to your kernel load
[03:20] <andrboot> lol
[03:20] <Slurb> !list
[03:20] <bdizzle> and I just put a fresh install of kubuntu on today, as the other one was giving me serious problems
[03:20] <andrboot> @ bdizzle so wine?
[03:20] <andrboot> :p
[03:21]  * andrboot breaks ubottu
[03:21] <bdizzle> it won't let me download the program without java
[03:21] <orangepeelbeef> or set up an http proxy
[03:21] <bdizzle> and yes, I'll need wine too
[03:21] <andrboot> yuck
[03:21] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:21] <andrboot> @ bdizzle so :p what do you need? lol
[03:21] <alfffy> I take the saying "if at first you fail ... try and try again" too literally :P
[03:21] <andrboot> alfffy your dmesg says it all :p have a read through look at it.. see what it is doing :p
[03:21] <andrboot> your card has problems heh
[03:21] <bdizzle> I need java, wine, and firefox to all work. I'm trying with konqueror, but it won't read the java. I've tried java and going through the dependency list
[03:21] <alfffy> :(
[03:21] <orangepeelbeef> if you want packages you will have to get them from the mirrors or  packages.ubuntu.org
[03:22] <bdizzle> installing each package one by one, building it up
[03:22] <andrboot> judging buy "#[ 6370.777465] wlan0: cannot get RID fc82 (len=2) - no PRI f/w"
[03:22] <alfffy> lemme know if you've found the problem :)
[03:22] <andrboot> bdizzle kde should come with firefox.. if not just grab the files of a repo
[03:22] <orangepeelbeef> seriously man, set up http proxy on one of your other computers or friends computers or something :P
[03:22] <andrboot> alfffy you need to learn :) iw ould suggest getting a bettter card.. one that supports wpa
[03:22] <bdizzle> it froze at sun-java6-jre, as it is now requiring a amd64 file, which won't install due to wrong architecture
[03:22] <andrboot> ooh :|
[03:22] <andrboot> yuck
[03:22] <orangepeelbeef> analogx proxy works well for win peeps
[03:22] <andrboot> your poor poor bugger
[03:22] <alfffy> alright ... alright
[03:23] <bdizzle> how?
[03:23] <alfffy> btw ... if i'm going to get a new card, could you recomend something that works with linux out of the box?
[03:23] <bdizzle> the http proxy I mean? I don't have wireless on my desktop, just my laptop that I'm on now :)
[03:23] <bazhang> bdizzle, what is your system 32bit or 64 bit
[03:23] <bdizzle> 32bit
[03:24] <bazhang> bdizzle, what about just downloading the deb
[03:24] <bdizzle> right now, I'm stuck at this part
[03:24] <andrboot> alfffy hmmm
[03:24] <bdizzle> tried, this is where I'm stuck
[03:24] <almroa_> What sort of card? I just came in.
[03:24] <orangepeelbeef> crossover cable to your other comp, http proxy on your pc
[03:24] <bdizzle> after installing all .deb file dependencies, I tried to install sun-java6-bin, only for it to tell me I need sun-java6-jre
[03:24] <bazhang> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox-3.0/firefox-3.0_3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb bdizzle
[03:24] <orangepeelbeef> or just keep workin through the deps from the package list
[03:24] <andrboot> bdizzle just download the java package from the java website
[03:24] <baudthief> whats the name of the open source ATI driver?
[03:24] <andrboot> and do it from that :p
[03:24] <andrboot> as root
[03:24] <andrboot> heh
[03:25] <baudthief> trying to edit xorg.conf
[03:25] <andrboot> @ baudthief fglrx
[03:25] <andrboot> i would say
[03:25] <bdizzle> I tried installing sun-java6-jre, for it to tell me I need sun-java6-bin|ia32-sun-java6-bin, which is an amd64 file
[03:25] <andrboot> heh
[03:25] <andrboot> wierd
[03:25] <bazhang> or aptoncd
[03:25] <bazhang> !aptoncd
[03:25] <bazhang> bdizzle, ^^
[03:26] <bdizzle> yeah, checking
[03:26] <andrboot> heh :p
[03:26] <bdizzle> wait, what is APTonCD?
[03:26] <andrboot> nice
[03:26] <andrboot> i just drag and drop my .deb file to each box manuially
[03:26] <andrboot> heh
[03:27] <bdizzle> ok
[03:27] <bdizzle> it'd be nice to just port the entire computer from one to the other if possible, or at least the main packages of it
[03:28] <bazhang> !clone
[03:28] <bazhang> bdizzle, ^^
[03:28] <bdizzle> .......
[03:28] <baudthief> argh 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' doesn't ask me anything about display settings, only keyboard?!
[03:28] <bdizzle> *facepalm* why didn't I think of this earlier?
[03:28] <bazhang> !automate
[03:28] <andrboot> nman that is old :|
[03:29] <andrboot> rofl
[03:29] <bazhang> bdizzle, you set now?
[03:29] <bdizzle> not quite
[03:29] <Fieldy> hello, has anyone used kvpnc with openvpn as a client? I've imported the client conf and all the keys and it sees them. but when I try to connect to the server, the server says "Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed". i have copied over the same ta.key that is working on other (non-kubuntu) clients, though i see nowhere to actually tell kvpnc to use ta.key.
[03:29] <bdizzle> does that install the packages from the repo, or in the ifile?
[03:30] <bazhang> bdizzle, which one aptoncd or clone
[03:30] <bdizzle> I don't have internet on the computer I'm transferring the packages to, so I need to physically install all of them
[03:30] <bdizzle> the clone
[03:31] <bazhang> bdizzle, did you read the explanation above?
[03:31] <bdizzle> yeah, give me a moment to unpack them on the other computer
[03:31] <bazhang> alfffy you still around?
[03:31] <bazhang> oh he left
[03:36] <bdizzle> okay, we have a problem
[03:36] <bdizzle> clone deleted network-manager, etc etc
[03:36] <bdizzle> and didn't install any new packages
[03:37] <bdizzle> trying APTonCD now
[03:37] <bdizzle> just trying to burn the .iso now
[03:38] <bdizzle> ugh, damn slow CD-RW disks
[03:38] <bdizzle> its going to take an hour to burn it
[03:38] <sgallinger> !mp3
[03:39] <sgallinger> how do I get k3b to burn mp3s
[03:39] <munk_> help my computer keeps locking me out if i dont use it for 5 minutes or so(it is a laptop) i removed the acpi and acpi-support packages and it still does it.. help please?
[03:40] <bdizzle> okay, once I get APT-onCD to work and the disk to burn properly, how do I install it onto the other computer?
[03:40] <bazhang> sgallinger, you have lame installed?
[03:40] <bazhang> bdizzle, enable it as a repo and disable others
[03:41] <bdizzle> how?
[03:41] <bazhang> bdizzle, gui or cli way
[03:41] <bdizzle> gui please
[03:41] <bdizzle> I'm in adept right now
[03:42] <bazhang> you're using adept?
[03:42] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:42] <bazhang> okay
[03:42] <bazhang> check the menu for repos
[03:42] <bdizzle> assume fresh install of Kubuntu, minus knetwork-manager and network-manager that got wiped in the cline
[03:42] <bdizzle> got it
[03:43] <bdizzle> where it says software sources?
[03:43] <bazhang> yup
[03:44] <bdizzle> third-party software?
[03:44] <bdizzle> then add CD-ROM I guess?
[03:45] <sgallinger> !lame
[03:46] <bazhang> http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/04/create-backup-of-installed-packages.html bdizzle
[03:46] <bazhang> !info lame
[03:47] <bdizzle> wait, so the other computer has to have aptoncd installed as well?
[03:47] <bdizzle> or does that just help?
[03:47] <bazhang> just add cd from adept
[03:47] <sgallinger> how can I test if Im running off the proper drivers for my graphics card, or if its just running from the kernel
[03:49] <bdizzle> okay
[03:49] <bdizzle> hopefully this will work
[03:50] <bazhang> be sure to disable others and then update sources.list
[03:50] <bazhang> bdizzle, ^^
[03:52] <bdizzle> disable or delete?
[03:52] <bazhang> disable of course
[03:53] <bdizzle> after I run the .iso and have it act as a repo, then do I run the clone?
[03:53] <bdizzle> to automate it?
[03:53] <bazhang> aptoncd or the other
[03:55] <bdizzle> ugh why is k3b saying that the disk verification failed?
[03:55] <bdizzle> let me try it anyway
[03:55] <sgallinger> how can I test if Im running off the proper drivers for my graphics card, or if its just running from the kernel
[03:57] <bdizzle> gah, going to have to reburn under windows. For some reason, linux doesn't like to burn properly
[03:57] <bazhang> sgallinger, you got lame installed?
[03:58] <bdizzle> be back in about 30 minutes hopefully
[03:58] <flaccid> sgallinger: goto hardware drivers manager in kmenu - system
[04:09] <eagles0513875> im having an issue with samba and windows vista
[04:09] <eagles0513875> i have a laptop and desktop connected wirelessly the desktop doesnt require me to login to get access to the samba shared folder where as my laptop does
[04:10] <eagles0513875> nm answered my own question
[04:10] <eagles0513875> nm still have the issue
[04:11] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me with my issue of my laptop requiring me to login to get access to my samba folder
[04:12] <Dragnslcr> Probably the desktop remembering the username and password
[04:13] <eagles0513875> Dragnslcr: it didnt ask me to login to begin with
[04:14] <Dragnslcr> Odd
[04:15] <eagles0513875> but my laptop it asks me to login
[04:19] <eagles0513875> what port does samba use
[04:20] <muesli> i just installed ubuntu on a usb stick and encrypted the root filesystem. now booting up i noticed that it first tries to mount the encrypted root, before it actually detects sdb as a filesystem
[04:20] <muesli> can i somehow force the kernel to first check for all avail filesystems / partitions and then try to decrypt the root?
[04:21] <flaccid> eagles0513875: a few like 139 and 445. google can be handy :)
[04:21] <Hydrogen> oi oi, itsa muesli
[04:21] <muesli> hey Hydrogen
[04:21] <Hydrogen> fancy meeting you here :>
[04:22] <muesli> heh yeah, weird crypto issues
[04:26] <bdizzle> gah, I think my CD burner hates me
[04:26] <bdizzle> it keeps claiming the the sizefile is not given or something when I try to load off of the CD
[04:26] <bdizzle> so I'm just running through and trying to install each package on the CD manually
[04:29] <eagles0513875> flaccid: any ideas as to my issue
[04:29] <flaccid> i don't understand the problem
[04:30] <eagles0513875> flaccid: on my laptop i cannot access my samba share that i setup it wants a user name and pass which i didnt setup one
[04:30] <eagles0513875> on my dads desktop it doesnt even ask me for username and pass
[04:31] <eagles0513875> flaccid: any idea cuz i have none
[04:32] <bleaked> if one wanted to upgrade the hard drive containing the kubuntu install.. is it possible to just create similar partition structure, then copy the data from each old partition to the respective new ones, switch the drives, then boot like normal?
[04:34] <baudthief> bleaked: If you're able to copy over the boot sector somehow, it might work, assuming you preserve permissions / file attributes
[04:34] <flaccid> eagles0513875: so the client will send the user's username and password on the system first then and if its successful, it doesn't need to prompt the user for a pass. so you make your system and samba passwords on all computers the same..
[04:35] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im lost
[04:35] <bdizzle> question
[04:35] <bdizzle> is it possible to get the repositories to point to a local directory?
[04:35] <flaccid> eagles0513875: learn samba :) still you havnt actually stated a problem, but rather just behaviour. i don't know what you are trying to achieve
[04:36] <eagles0513875> i just need access to the shared folder but on my laptop i have to log in and i set it up to where i dont have to login
[04:36] <flaccid> eagles0513875: are you saying that you don't want to be prompted for a password?
[04:36] <eagles0513875> ya
[04:37] <flaccid> and the smb server is Vista?
[04:37] <eagles0513875> no kubuntu
[04:37] <eagles0513875> trying to access it from a vista laptop
[04:37] <flaccid> the client is Vista?
[04:37] <eagles0513875> ya
[04:37] <andrboot> @ eagles0513875 just change the security options in the smb.conf file :D
[04:37] <eagles0513875> fixed my issue
[04:38] <eagles0513875> the user name and pass is admin admin
[04:38] <andrboot> lol
[04:38] <eagles0513875> how is that possible
[04:38] <flaccid> make the passwords the same. so on the server do passwd and smbpasswd for the user in question and make it the same as the user/pass on the vista client. if the usernames are different, then goto system settings - sharing - local network shares and specify it there. you can check logs on the server to see what is happening..
[04:39] <flaccid> andrboot: that won't help
[04:39] <flaccid> eagles0513875: i dunno, you configured the server?
[04:39] <eagles0513875> ya through system settings
[04:39] <eagles0513875> its only temp share
[04:39] <andrboot> @ flaccid does for me :D
[04:39] <eagles0513875> just need to get some videos and stuff for me
[04:40] <eagles0513875> now i have no access to the folder
[04:40] <flaccid> andrboot: you have a different config and different variables. your user/pass might also match up or whatever..
[04:40] <flaccid> eagles0513875: anyway you can always check the logs in /var/log/samba to see what is going on
[04:41] <eagles0513875> goign to do that now
[04:42] <andrboot> @ flaccid just change it to share access :p not user/
[04:42] <andrboot> heh
[04:42] <eagles0513875> what log do i look at i have a bunch
[04:43] <flaccid> andrboot: share access is complicated. you'll be lucky for share to work 100% by just changing that
[04:43] <flaccid> eagles0513875: whichever is the relevant log and depends how you have set that in smb.conf..
[04:43] <eagles0513875> in teh appropriate log for the ip of my laptop there was nothing
[04:44] <flaccid> eagles0513875: it may be logging to a different file, look..
[04:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[04:44] <eagles0513875> how do i restart samba
[04:44] <eagles0513875> cd /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:44] <baudthief>  /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:44] <flaccid> there is usually log.smbd as well in there
[04:44] <baudthief> no CD
[04:45] <eagles0513875> there is log.nmbd
[04:45] <baudthief> you'll need to run as root, so do: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:46] <flaccid> eagles0513875: thats for the nmb daemon, won't be in there
[04:46] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[04:47] <eagles0513875> this of any importance
[04:47] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/34618/
[04:48] <flaccid> ah thats a bug, i've seen that before. that could be an issue
[04:48] <flaccid> or it could be non-harmful. i can't remember. you could search lp and google about it
[04:48] <eagles0513875> thing is im on the server just cant get access to the folder now
[04:48] <flaccid> access to the folder?
[04:50] <eagles0513875> fixed it
[04:50] <eduardo> how do I take screenshots in kubuntu?
[04:50] <eagles0513875> i had it under allowed users i had to have been a part of the admin group
[04:52] <digistyl3> hi, will there be a Disk & Filesystems module in System Settings for KDE 4.1?
[04:52] <flaccid> fair enough
[04:52] <flaccid> digistyl3: wrong chan, see topic
[04:52] <eddiestone> hello, how do I take screenshots in kde?
[04:53] <digistyl3> flaccid: i already tried on #kde, they said that the kde3 version of the module is kubuntu's
[04:56] <flaccid> digistyl3: kde4 help for kubuntu is in #kubuntu-kde4 as per topic
[04:56] <flaccid> you could also goto #kubuntu-devel and ask
[04:57] <digistyl3> thanks flaccid
[04:58] <flaccid> np
[04:58] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i pulled a real nub in regards to samba lol
[05:01] <flaccid> pulled a real nub?
[05:01] <eagles0513875> pulled a noob lol
[05:01] <eagles0513875> the user had to be part of the admin group for it to work before
[05:03] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u have any putty experience and x11 forwarding
[05:03] <eagles0513875> *you
[05:03] <_2> anyone know some about xfce4 ?     when i launch it, it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing.     i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back.    but nothing seems to be sticky.   any thoughts on why ?
[05:06] <flaccid> yeah i do
[05:07] <eagles0513875> flaccid: thats another thing im havving issues with is putty and x11 being forwarded to my windows desktop
[05:07] <eagles0513875> all i get is cli
[05:07] <eagles0513875> x11 isnt forwarded
[05:08] <flaccid> well i can't remember, you probably have to enable something thats off by default
[05:08] <flaccid> there are heaps on webpages on google about this
[05:09] <monti> sup all
[05:09] <eagles0513875> got any good ones you reference flaccid
[05:09] <flaccid> eagles0513875: putty thing is talked about here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=505541
[05:10] <flaccid> eagles0513875: and go through these as well: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=ESa&q=forward+x11+ssh+tunnel+ubuntu+putty&btnG=Search
[05:10] <eagles0513875> thanks
[05:10] <flaccid> np
[05:15] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i think i was trying to start x instead of kde
[05:15] <eagles0513875> lol was issuing the startx command instead of startkde
[05:20] <flaccid> ok
[05:21] <eagles0513875> still wont work keeps exiting with status 1
[05:27] <skreechmiester> Anyone can give some help with a circular dpkg issue?
[05:27] <skreechmiester> I'm trying to upgrade samba but it's hanging on the rc script
[05:28] <flaccid>  skreechmiester pastebin the whole output of dpkg/apt
[05:28] <joshuajtl> is reiserfs faster than ext3?
[05:28] <skreechmiester> flaccid: Will do
[05:29] <eddiestone> joshuajtl: for read or write?
[05:29] <eagles0513875> reiserfs is dead
[05:29] <eagles0513875> no long in dev
[05:29] <eagles0513875> the guy who came up with that file system is in jail for murder
[05:29] <skreechmiester> !paste
[05:29] <eddiestone> he works at jail
[05:30] <eagles0513875> no he is in jailo
[05:30] <eagles0513875> jail
[05:30] <that_kid_teck> ellllloooooo
[05:30] <that_kid_teck> i am lindsey lohan
[05:30] <joshuajtl> eddiestone: hmm dunno, both? for use as /
[05:30] <joshuajtl> and /home
[05:30] <eagles0513875> !offtopic | that_kid_teck
[05:30] <that_kid_teck> "are you getting this cabos"?
[05:31] <skreechmiester> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/34622/
[05:31] <eddiestone> definetly, ext3 is better for /
[05:31] <joshuajtl> and /home?
[05:32] <flaccid> i'll brb
[05:32] <eagles0513875> im goign to wiki reiserfs for ya to prove to u guys that the creator is in jail
[05:32] <joshuajtl> any kubuntu users moved from opensuse 11.0 back to kubuntu and stick to it? (wondering if i should bother downloading the ultra large opensuse 11 dvd)
[05:33] <skreechmiester> eagles0513875: no need
[05:33] <skreechmiester> he's in jail
[05:33] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: I don't understand the question
[05:34] <eagles0513875> joshuajtl: that was only distro that worked on my new laptop but i was using open suse 10 had to switch back though to vista lol since i having some issues with kubuntu kubuntu configures stuff a whole lot easier for me
[05:34] <joshuajtl> eagles0513875: what laptop?
[05:34] <eagles0513875> joshuajtl: u might not end up with audio or have some audio issues or no open gl support if ur looking to try with games and wine
[05:34] <eagles0513875> hp table tx1308nr got it back last december
[05:34] <eagles0513875> try it with gutsy had a pnp bios bug hard froze while partitioning and formatting
[05:34] <joshuajtl> eagles0513875: talking about kubuntu or opensuse (as far as the no audio etc)
[05:35] <eagles0513875> opensuse 10
[05:35] <joshuajtl> skreechmiester: just wondering what to think of opensuse 11 reviews... read too many that are up and down, but dont want to bother downloading the massive dvd if its crap
[05:36] <eagles0513875> if u love kubuntu or any of this line sitck with it
[05:36] <joshuajtl> eagles0513875: ah... interesting, i'm running a (previously) preinstalled ubuntu dell inspiron 1525
[05:36] <smarty> question : how can i add a printer that is on my network? i am working wirelessly, but the printer is situated on the computer connected to the router. i can do it in windows, just no idea on ku
[05:36] <joshuajtl> laptop
[05:36] <eagles0513875> joshuajtl:  u woudl get better support from dell if u ever had issues if u stick with ubuntu or kubuntu or anything debian based
[05:36] <eagles0513875> in my cert course i learned that the debian pkg management is better then rpms
[05:36] <joshuajtl> ok thx
[05:37] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: Grab the KDE4 CD
[05:37] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: If it works for you go for it
[05:37] <skreechmiester> I jsut try to avoid RPMs >_>
[05:37] <eagles0513875> ext4 is under dev i know
[05:37] <smarty> any ideas for my issue?
[05:38] <eagles0513875> deb pkg managment is better then rpm the linux professional institute says
[05:38] <anom01y> is a 330m/340m/350m compatable with fglrx ?
[05:38] <skreechmiester> !printer
[05:38] <anom01y> because a laptop I am trying to set up is slow as hell
[05:38] <skreechmiester> Cool
[05:38] <smarty> kk, ty
[05:38] <skreechmiester> eagles0513875: Link for that
[05:38] <eagles0513875> wikipedia
[05:38] <skreechmiester> eagles0513875: gimime
[05:38] <eagles0513875> they have a list of file systems if u type in file systems
[05:39] <eagles0513875> my ff3 is acting up as well as dcop
[05:39] <skreechmiester> eagles0513875: I meant the LPI saying that dpkg is beter
[05:39] <eagles0513875> its in the book which comes with the course
[05:39] <skreechmiester> The LPI has a book?
[05:39] <eagles0513875> ya
[05:40] <eagles0513875> well its a book put out by que publiching called exam cram 2 lpic1 covers both part of level 1 certification
[05:40] <skreechmiester> That's not the LPI
[05:40] <skreechmiester> It's a book for the exam
[05:40] <skreechmiester> the LPI didn't write it
[05:40] <eagles0513875> sry falling asleep sitting here lol
[05:40] <eagles0513875> each is good in their own way
[05:41] <skreechmiester> eagles0513875: I have two of those books one muses about why anyone would use debian the other one is very pro debian
[05:41] <skreechmiester> LPI is neutral
[05:41] <eagles0513875> lol not really
[05:41] <eagles0513875> the exam focuses on rpm based commands
[05:42] <eagles0513875> im off to bed im strugglign to stay awake right now
[05:42] <flaccid> !ot
[05:42] <eagles0513875> sry flaccid
[05:42] <bdizzle> um, hi, I need some major help now
[05:43] <eagles0513875> night
[05:43] <eagles0513875> !ask | bdizzle
[05:43] <skreechmiester> flaccid: took a look?
[05:43] <bdizzle> it claims that it won't allow it to continue installing packages until it fixed dependencies
[05:43] <bdizzle> but its trying to uninstall 186 packages - all of the KDE base ones
[05:43] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: u need to be more specific
[05:43] <eagles0513875> *you
[05:44] <bdizzle> I did a fresh install, now trying to do APTonCD to get everything back, since the school network is stupid and won't let me connect without it installing a windows program, delivered via Java
[05:44] <bdizzle> which means initially I needed firefox, java, and wine
[05:45] <eagles0513875> you want to install kde4
[05:45] <bdizzle> well, as I was trying to figure out the dependencies, I decided to just go down the list and install them one by one. If one had missing dependencies, I'd skip it and come back after everything was done, slowly whittling my way down
[05:45] <eagles0513875> good luck with that
[05:45] <eagles0513875> thats why there is the apt-get install command
[05:45] <bdizzle> agreed
[05:45] <eagles0513875> to checks to see what the dependencies are and installs all of them
[05:45] <bdizzle> but if you don't have working internet, you're stuck
[05:46] <eagles0513875> true
[05:46] <eagles0513875> are you trying to install kde4
[05:46] <bdizzle> Linux is great, but for the first install, you must have working internet
[05:46] <bdizzle> no, just trying to get the damn thing working
[05:46] <eagles0513875> agreed
[05:46] <eagles0513875> what isnt working
[05:47] <eagles0513875> if u dont have a connection i know ethernet wont work from what ive seen when install without a connection
[05:47] <bdizzle> ...its uninstalling python and dpkg, among other things
[05:47] <bdizzle> and Xorg, etc etc
[05:47] <eagles0513875> what r u installing to make it uninstall all that
[05:47] <bdizzle> its just killed itself, great
[05:47] <_2> eth won't work without a connection ????   what did i miss ?
[05:47] <bdizzle> nevermind, I'm going to do a fresh reformat
[05:48] <eagles0513875> _2: ive noticed when using live cd and i dont have net certain things dont work
[05:48] <bdizzle> this wasn't live cd
[05:48] <bdizzle> I just hope it didn't kill grub
[05:48] <bdizzle> then I'll be mad
[05:49] <eagles0513875> u duel booting
[05:49] <skreechmiester> bdizzle: What are you doing?
[05:49] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: if it did all u do is do a clean linux install
[05:49] <mr---t-> bdizzle:  I don't know if this is related to your issue but I was running an app with wine that required java, Even though i had linux java, I had to install windows java in wine to make it work
[05:49] <bdizzle> right now, reformatting kubuntu
[05:49] <bdizzle> no, okay, this was the problem
[05:49]  * bdizzle silences room
[05:50] <bdizzle> so I just moved into the dorm and did a reformat of Linux because I was having problems at home earlier with it
[05:50]  * eagles0513875 gets frustrated with dcop and my menu bars and what not down at bottom not working
[05:50] <_2> eagles0513875 sorry i thought you meant that a lan wouldn't work without inet   my bad.
[05:50] <eagles0513875> _2: its ok just something dont get install cuz you dont have repo access
[05:51] <_2> eagles0513875 correct.   updates for one.
[05:51] <bdizzle> when I tried to connect to the net through konqueror (because nothing else was loaded), it immediately took me to the university networking page, telling me that it needed to download an .exe file, but it couldn't because I didn't have java
[05:51] <bdizzle> it gave me a link to the java site, which just turned me back to the same page I was in
[05:51] <bdizzle> the .exe file needed is basically the university authentication program
[05:51] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: i dont meann to interrupt
[05:51] <Kernel> hello all. i have a weird issue....sometimes my konqueror will just shutdown...ill go get a drink or something and come back...and there will be no konqueror open...its happned roughly 10-15 times in a last 2-3 weeks....
[05:51] <eagles0513875> but i would talk to someone at ur campuses IT dept
[05:52] <skreechmiester> Kernel: I'll put money down you have flash installed
[05:52] <eagles0513875> Kernel: that happens to me with various progrmas
[05:52] <eagles0513875> i have flash 9 installed lol cuz 10 is messed up
[05:52] <bdizzle> last time I asked about a linux wireless issue on my laptop last semester, they asked "what's linux? is that windows or mac?"
[05:52] <bdizzle> so I'm trying to install firefox, Java, and wine to get the three requirements done
[05:52] <Kernel> skreechmiester: well i do have flash installed....but i only use konq for a file browser...
[05:52] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: what college
[05:52] <bdizzle> ODU
[05:52] <eagles0513875> ?
[05:52] <bdizzle> www.odu.edu
[05:53] <eagles0513875> one college i never heard of
[05:53] <eagles0513875> no offense
[05:53] <bdizzle> haha, its cool
[05:53] <eagles0513875> u got a bunch of noobs in ur IT dept
[05:53] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: have you tried kubuntu in windows using wubi
[05:53] <eagles0513875> !wubi | bdizzle
[05:53] <bdizzle> luckily I knew another guy in my physics classes that had kubuntu and working around with it
[05:53] <bdizzle> I know what Wubi is
[05:53] <eagles0513875> have u tried it that way
[05:54] <bdizzle> not yet. I didn't see an issue, since it works with my laptop. Although I'm connecting wirelessly, so I don't need to install that stupid program that they require
[05:54] <skreechmiester> http://paste.ubuntu.com/34622/
[05:54] <skreechmiester> Can someone take a look at that dpkg error?
[05:55] <eagles0513875>  bdizzle i had that issue once where i uninstalled one thing and it uninstalled everythign on my system lol
[05:55] <flaccid> skreechmiester: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu3.8_i386.deb
[05:55] <bdizzle> yeah, not a fun thing to do
[05:55] <bdizzle> because then you know the only thing you can do is do a fresh install
[05:56] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: been there done that but now i have gotten used to it and not doing it
[05:56] <bdizzle> just as I am doing now
[05:56] <bdizzle> lol
[05:56] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: never install python for starters cuz certain things on kubuntu need python
[05:56] <bdizzle> don't install python?
[05:56] <eagles0513875> uninstall
[05:56] <bdizzle> I thought python was needed for most programs
[05:56] <bdizzle> oh, okay
[05:56] <bdizzle> yeah
[05:56] <eagles0513875> sry falling asleep here lol
[05:57] <eagles0513875> buring a copy of centos for a vm so i can practice for my lpi exam i got soon
[05:57] <bdizzle> lol
[05:57] <eagles0513875> working on my linux certification
[05:58] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: you a registered user on here bro
[05:58] <bdizzle> the one I loved was when it decided to uninstall adept - while running adepted
[05:58] <bdizzle> um, thanks?
[05:58] <bdizzle> okay, even though I did APTonCD and clone, it still failed, saying it wouldn't read the disk, but yet I able to copy over all of the packages and start running them for install
[05:59] <eagles0513875> if u r r u signed in so i can private ya something
[05:59] <eagles0513875> !register | bdizzle
[05:59] <bdizzle> yeah, hold on
[06:00] <eagles0513875> ok bro
[06:00] <brent> hey
[06:00] <brent> can sum1 help me?
[06:00] <brent> i cant seem 2 log in2 mi amsn account
[06:01] <bdizzle> okay, I think I'm in now
[06:01] <acornstar> hello
[06:01] <acornstar> I was wondering if I can get some help getting my webcam to work?
[06:02] <acornstar> or getting easycam to work?
[06:02] <brent> i think i can help
[06:02] <_2> < ! want 2 help u. bcause u ! no how to ask.
[06:02] <brent> is it for amsn?
[06:02] <acornstar> brent: sorry, amsn?
[06:02] <brent> yes
[06:02] <acornstar> what's that?
[06:02] <eagles0513875> amsn = windows live messenger
[06:02] <acornstar> oh, no for skype
[06:03] <brent> its like msn but its the ubuntu version i think
[06:03] <brent> ok
[06:03] <brent> im trying 2 log in2 my amsn account but it wont work
[06:04] <acornstar> so I tried downloading and installing easycam, but couldnt get it to work...
[06:06] <acornstar> sorry
[06:06] <acornstar> i tried to use xawtv but it just made my screen black
[06:06] <acornstar> i had to reboot
[06:06] <acornstar> what should I do first?
[06:09] <brent> does anybody know why i cant log into my amsn account?
[06:10] <_2> !amsn
[06:10] <_2> !msn
[06:11] <_2> doesn't seem to be an infonode on that.   sorry
[06:11] <acornstar> brent, did you say you could help me?
[06:11] <_2> brent you might ask in   #ubuntu   i have never used msn
[06:11] <faileas> er
[06:11] <acornstar> or _2?
[06:12] <faileas> amsn is another client... but yeah, asking in #ubuntu might help. it usually works flawlessly for me
[06:14] <brent> ok thanks for your help
[06:17] <skreechmiester> flaccid: essentially the same error
[06:18] <skreechmiester> acornstar: install libjasper-runtime
[06:19] <eagles0513875> flaccid: you ever have the issue where dcop and server act up and wont load the desktop but take u back to the login screen
[06:19] <skreechmiester> brent: tried Kmess ?
[06:19] <flaccid> skreechmiester: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/1556
[06:20] <eagles0513875> nght guys
[06:20] <eagles0513875> night
[06:20] <flaccid> eagles0513875: dunno probably not
[06:20] <eagles0513875> i just did
[06:20] <eagles0513875> any bug out on dcop atm
[06:20] <eagles0513875> anyways im out for the night
[06:20] <flaccid> search. always search google and launchpad
[06:20] <eagles0513875> i will in the am
[06:21] <eagles0513875> bout to pass out head on keyboard style
[06:21] <flaccid> half of the help i give here is just searching
[06:21] <bdizzle> okay, I've got firefox, now I just need to get java installed properly
[06:21] <grendal_prime> whats java
[06:21] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: for linux or for windows and u need the jre
[06:21] <flaccid> !java
[06:21] <bdizzle> linux
[06:21] <grendal_prime> hehehehe..sorry...i just...oh man that is so funny....i mean i literally crying here...
[06:22] <grendal_prime> whats java..i mean come on guys...that was funny ..you have to admit!!
[06:22] <eagles0513875> !ot | grendal_prime
[06:23] <eagles0513875> bdizzle: install sun-java6-jre
[06:23] <grendal_prime> right...my apologies
[06:23] <grendal_prime> wow
[06:24] <eagles0513875> night
[06:24] <simon_b> morning
[06:24] <bdizzle> WITH WHAT INTERNET CONNECTION?
[06:25] <bdizzle> anything I install right now has to come from either a CD-ROM or a jump drive
[06:26] <flaccid> please don't shout
[06:26] <bdizzle> well, I've tried to tell everyone that I do not have internet yet, and everyone keeps saying "get it from the repos," "use sudo apt-get install," etc etc. Trust me, if I had internet, I would GLADLY do those
[06:26] <bdizzle> but I don't
[06:27] <flaccid> what do you have then?
[06:27] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=da289823 ?
[06:27] <bdizzle> a desktop with a fresh install of Kubuntu 8.04, a 2 GB jump drive and a laptop that does have internet
[06:29] <_2> don't have a free nic on both boxen ?
[06:29] <_2> crossover cable!
[06:30] <bdizzle> a free nic?
[06:31] <_2> use the lappy as a gateway for the desktop
[06:31] <bdizzle> how?
[06:31] <acornstar> screechmesiter: what will libjasper do for me?
[06:32] <_2> bdizzle what's the lappy running ?
[06:32] <flaccid> bdizzle: easiest thing is to just download debs, put on jumpdrive then put in the computer
[06:32] <bdizzle> that is what I am trying to do, but its dependency hell right now
[06:33] <bdizzle> laptop is dual boot with Kubuntu 8.04 and Windows XP
[06:33] <bdizzle> desktop is same now
[06:33] <acornstar> is there a way to install my windows webcam driver on kubuntu?
[06:33] <bdizzle> but the desktop has a fresh install of Kubuntu, so nothing other than what came on that CD
[06:33] <bdizzle> normally not a problem when you have an open wireless network or an unrestricted wired connection
[06:34] <skreechmiester> acornstar: never mind didn't realie it was skype
[06:35] <skreechmiester> !webcam
[06:35] <[pyro]> !encryption
[06:35] <flaccid> bdizzle: there are better methods with apt but i don't know anything about it
[06:35] <acornstar> skreechmiester: if my camera is not there....?
[06:36] <_2> ok plug in the crossover cable    lappy in linux     enable ip forwording    and on the desktop  ifup the nic   set the   route add default gw <ip.of.lappy>      copy the content of lappy:/etc/resolv.conf to desktop:/etc/reslov.conf    and you should have networking on both boxen.
[06:36] <acornstar> i installed gspca, but when i did sudo modprobe gspca it just gave me another cmd prompot
[06:36] <acornstar> *prompt
[06:38] <acornstar> lsmod | grep gspca gave some results
[06:38] <acornstar> but I dont know what any of that means
[06:38] <acornstar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/34630/
[06:40] <bdizzle> I give up, the four files I need are all dependent upon each other, and wont' install without the others
[06:42] <_2> so install them all
[06:42] <flaccid> bdizzle: you can put the files in /var/cache/apt/archives and then use apt-get install or put them in a dir and do sudo dpkg -i /path/to/debs/*
[06:42] <_2> sudo dpkg -i name1 name2 name3 name4    or even  *.deb
[06:43] <_2> --force-all even...
[06:43] <_2> more than one way to skin a cat
[06:44] <bdizzle> ....
[06:44] <bdizzle> again I wonder why no one told me this
[06:45] <flaccid> bdizzle: you expect somebody to tell you everything in a free support channel?
[06:46] <acornstar> I finally got easycam to work, but it said the camera is not compatible with linux.  Is there anything else I can do?
[06:46] <bdizzle> point taken
[06:46] <_2> i still think it's easiest to network the boxen then worry about packages
[06:46] <flaccid> im busy refactory the kubuntu website so im only half here myself
[06:46] <bdizzle> but I don't know how to do that though, unless you know of a tutorial somewhere
[06:46] <flaccid> refactoring even
[06:49] <bdizzle> okay, so then what is the apt-get install for java?
[06:49] <_2> !java
[06:49] <bdizzle> and how do I get adept to recognize the packages in that folder to install?
[06:50] <_2> if it's in /var/cache/apt/archives/   it will find it.
[06:51] <_2> i would sujest apt-get  rather than adept    if something goes south  you have more to work with
[06:51] <bdizzle> ok
[06:53] <bdizzle> its not reading. I tried a simple apt-get install on acroread (since its in there now) and its not reading from the folder
[06:53] <_2> it never reads from the folder.
[06:54] <bdizzle> you just told me it would
[06:55] <_2> it reads from /var/lib/apt/lists/*   the database of avalable packages   and anything listed in there is installed from  /var/cache/apt/archives/   even if it has to be downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives first.
[06:56] <_2> i just told you that i will find it there if it looks for it.    it wont look for something not in it's database.
[06:56] <bdizzle> so then how do I tell it to look for it in the database
[06:56] <_2> again.   dpkg -i    will install things that "apt*" doesn't know exist.
[06:56] <bdizzle> hold on, right now I'm in the folder. Can I just open up a terminal from there, then do sudo dpkg -i *.*  ?
[06:57] <_2> bdizzle you would have to either copy new database "lists/*"   or with network connectivity refresh them from the reops..      as to question 2   yes.
[06:58] <_2> expect breakage.
[06:58] <nuxil> has anyone gotten the pdf download 2.0 to convert to html? Plugin for Firefox
[06:58] <bdizzle> okay, lets try option 2 and see what happens
[06:58] <bdizzle> lol
[06:58] <_2> expect breakage.
[06:58] <nuxil> to work
[06:58] <bdizzle> oh well, what's one more format tonight
[06:59] <_2> bdizzle i didn't say it was unrecoverable.   i said expect it.     i.e. things won't go smoothly.
[06:59] <bdizzle> yeah
[06:59] <bdizzle> okay
[06:59] <bdizzle> its done and stopped part way through with breakages
[07:00] <bdizzle> so then how do I get it to work, I'm running out of ideas
[07:00] <bdizzle> I need to somehow create a local database
[07:00] <flaccid> sudo apt-get -f install
[07:00] <flaccid> bdizzle: there is an apt program to do so or just create your own repos
[07:00] <_2> bdizzle many times package breakage can be resloved with one line.     sudo ( until dpkg --configure -a ;do apt-get install -f ;done ; )
[07:01] <_2> although that doesn't always work.
[07:01] <skreechmiester> Wow
[07:01] <baudthief> for the record, kubuntu 8.04 + compiz fusion works flawlessly on a 1.6GHz centrino / 512MB RAM
[07:01] <skreechmiester> The ubuntu update manager is really well done
[07:01] <skreechmiester> It detects SSh and everything
[07:01] <bdizzle> I think I did something similar to that, and that's what caused me to have to reformat .... again
[07:02] <baudthief> skreechmiester: yup, microsoft failed at microsoftUpdate :p
[07:02] <flaccid> baudthief: it doesn't on my 1.7ghz centrino. there are many more variables to consider :)
[07:02] <baudthief> flaccid: I meant performance under that clockspeed/RAM :P
[07:02] <baudthief> of course its got a decent gfx card, and usable chipset :P
[07:02] <skreechmiester> baudthief: Don't worry too much about that
[07:03] <skreechmiester> KDE4 will make it a tolerable distro
[07:03] <flaccid> oh well its more about the video card and driver and so forth
[07:03] <_2> that command will not cause you to have to reload.   it may leave you not knowing what to do... but an old linux hand can always recover a system that still has a working shell.
[07:04] <Baghdad> hi
[07:04] <baudthief> hello
[07:04] <_2> howdy root
[07:04] <baudthief> ircing from root are we? :P
[07:04] <bdizzle> okay, well, I'm still new at Linux, even after four or five months. It just worked last time around
[07:04] <_2> baudthief not me....  !
[07:04] <bdizzle> anyway, this is where I'm at now
[07:05] <bdizzle> it stopped. I tried running apt-get install -f, but it says its locked by dpkg
[07:05] <bdizzle> so then it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a
[07:05] <baudthief> bdizzle: the first 3 months are usually the most painful - when you accept that nothing you want works, everything goes to plan :P
[07:05] <bdizzle> which then stopps, saying it failed
[07:06] <_2> bdizzle ok when dpkg fails   what is the "error" message above it
[07:06] <bdizzle> dpkg: too many errors, stopping
[07:06] <_2> you need the first one.
[07:07] <_2> bdizzle do this.
[07:07] <bdizzle> dpkg: ../../scrc/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertation '!queuelen' failed.
[07:07] <bdizzle> when I try for apt-get install -f, it wants to uninstall my system
[07:07] <Nevmemoz> hi all!
[07:08] <bdizzle> or at least 98 packages worth
[07:08] <_2> sudo dpkg --configure -a >~/error.file 2>&1
[07:08] <_2> pastebin error.file from your home dir
[07:09] <bdizzle> ok, hold on
[07:09] <baudthief> shoulda made it peter.file :P
[07:09] <bdizzle> lol
[07:09] <bdizzle> except one problem
[07:10] <bdizzle> HAL is messed up, it won't let me copy it to the jump drive to put it on the working laptop to post on pastebin
[07:10] <_2> what you don't know how to copy it to a box with network ?
[07:10] <bdizzle> no
[07:10] <_2> pfft
[07:10] <baudthief> destroy him!
[07:10] <_2> so mount the disk
[07:10] <bdizzle> when I open the jumpdrive, it says "The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files"
[07:10] <_2> sudo mount /dev/sdb /mnt       or some such...
[07:11] <bdizzle> yeah, that's the error I got
[07:11] <baudthief> or just ssh to another machine, open nano, and paste :p
[07:11] <bdizzle> ssh requires a working internet connection. I don't have that on my desktop
[07:11] <_2> baudthief that was my first attempt to get him to setup a crossover lan
[07:11] <bdizzle> my desktop has now a broken Kubuntu install, a jump drive that can no longer be read
[07:12]  * baudthief f***s off appropriately
[07:12] <bdizzle> lol
[07:12] <faileas> you don't need internet to run ssh
[07:12] <baudthief> I think he meant network
[07:12] <bdizzle> no offense meant, but I'm trying to say what I have
[07:12] <baudthief> np
[07:12] <faileas> i share files over my lan over it all the time
[07:12] <bdizzle> okay, how
[07:12] <baudthief> samba :P
[07:12] <_2> faileas ssh'ing to <IP_ADDRESS>   is not likely to help him...
[07:12] <bdizzle> walk me through it, tell me what to enter in one both coputers
[07:13] <baudthief> there's no place like <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:13] <bdizzle> samba was uninstalled while trying to run through the dependencies
[07:13] <bdizzle> heh
[07:13] <baudthief> damn lol
[07:13] <baudthief> you're in a bit of a pickle
[07:13] <mu3en> bearing in mind apt is shot, there's not going to be much you can do easily to get a network up with ssh etc...
[07:13] <baudthief> floppy disk?
[07:13] <bdizzle> that's shot too
[07:13] <bdizzle> as in the hardware is shot
[07:13] <_2> bdizzle why ?
[07:13] <mu3en> usb sticks?
[07:13] <bdizzle> besides, my laptop doesn't have a floppy disk
[07:13] <baudthief> mu3en: cant mount usb
[07:14] <bdizzle> thank you baudthief
[07:14] <mu3en> lsusb?
[07:14] <mu3en> you can't see usb bus at all?
[07:14] <baudthief> this is going to eat away at me all night
[07:14] <_2> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[07:14] <mu3en> right...
[07:14] <bdizzle> no, ssh is dead. I just tried to connect to a server that I know DOES work, and now terminal is frozen
[07:15] <bdizzle> no, the desktop is static now
[07:15] <baudthief> I have an idea
[07:15] <baudthief> manual labour :P
[07:15] <baudthief> just hand type lol
[07:15] <_2> lol
[07:15] <mu3en> grin
[07:15] <mu3en> is the problem with a dpkg run right?
[07:16] <baudthief> unless you have a laplink cable or something (and your laptop has a serial port)
[07:16] <mu3en> that is locked, or plain fails with errors?
[07:16] <mu3en> as shown above?
[07:16] <acornstar> whenever I start Kubuntu, i have 2 instances of Skype...can anyone tell me why?
[07:16] <baudthief> mu3en: apt reports dpkg has locked
[07:16] <bdizzle> fails with errors
[07:16] <mu3en> yeah
[07:16] <bdizzle> well, both actually
[07:16] <_2> mu3en no.  it's a problem of a non-networked box with copied files from who knows where "including java"  to a dir and running   dpkg -i *   in that dir....
[07:16] <baudthief> kill dpkg :P
[07:16] <mu3en> i think you can also get around that by deleting some kind of dpkg lock file/cache
[07:18] <j1mc> hi all - i'm having difficulty with knetworkmanager not seeing any wireless signals.
[07:18] <mu3en> _2 o-kay then. seems like relatively unnecessary circumstance
[07:18] <bdizzle> I tried by restarting
[07:18] <j1mc> this is on kde4.1
[07:18] <baudthief> j1mc: laptop?
[07:18] <j1mc> baudthief: yes
[07:18] <_2> mu3en yeah
[07:18] <baudthief> j1mc: is your hardware wireless switch on :p
[07:18] <_2> mu3en + "reboot will fix anything"
[07:18] <j1mc> baudthief: good question!  but yes.  :)
[07:18] <mu3en> member:j1mc and maybe /etc/network/interfaces needs to be commented
[07:19] <baudthief> j1mc: you've reached the limit of my knowledge then :P
[07:19] <bdizzle> okay, if I run apt-get install -f, I lose 98 packages, including synaptic, xulrunner, a few libs, kubuntu-desktop, kdelibs5, emacs, then the rest look like programs
[07:19] <j1mc> mu3en: should i comment out all of the lines other than the lo items?
[07:19] <_2> so lose then
[07:19] <_2> them
[07:19] <mu3en> why would you run a install-f
[07:19] <j1mc> in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:19] <mu3en> surely you can evaluate which file is causing that break and then write your own isntall line
[07:20] <bdizzle> .... I didn't even know there was a -f until two hours ago
[07:20] <mu3en> member:j1mc depends what you want to achieve
[07:20] <bdizzle> so no, I can't mu3en
[07:20] <baudthief> bdizzle: it happens ;p
[07:20] <bdizzle> so should I let it run and hope it works?
[07:20] <mu3en> member:j1mc if you want knetwork manager as main default for all connections then comment all except the lines of the 'lo' interface
[07:21] <mu3en> member:bdizzle probably you will lose all those apps
[07:21] <_2> bdizzle you are still in the "learning to install" stage   so yes   worst case, you reload again
[07:21] <bdizzle> I know I will
[07:21] <bdizzle> for the third time tonight
[07:21] <_2> Q. what do linux users do?
[07:21] <_2> A. they install software.
[07:21] <bdizzle> okay, so clone doesn't work, APTonCD didn't work
[07:21] <j1mc> mu3en: thanks.  i've done that.  i'll now try restarting my networking, and bringing up wlan0
[07:22] <mu3en> member:bdizzle but well, i guess ultimately it sounds like a fresh from CD install will be far quicker than whatever you will haev to do if you don't want to learn a bunch of apt anf dpkg stuff
[07:22] <mu3en> member:j1mc you can now basically only use knetwrok manager
[07:22] <_2> !apt-zip
[07:22] <_2> !info apt-zip
[07:22] <mu3en> member:j1mc ifup and ifdown rely on the /etc/network/interfaces file
[07:23] <bdizzle> but with the fresh install, I can't get java, wine, or firefox, the combination of which will hopefully let me be connected through their damn system
[07:23] <mu3en> member:j1mcbut knetwork manager does it all automagically
[07:23] <_2> bdizzle may i sujest,  if you reload the system.   that you attempt to install NOTHING !  until you have gotten the lan figured out.
[07:23] <mu3en> member:bdizzle why would you not be able to install those onto a fresh install?
[07:24] <j1mc> when i view knetworkmanager, the wireless portion is grayed out, even though i have the open source intel chipset - ubuntu and xubuntu pick it up w/ no probs.
[07:24] <bdizzle> because they require a working internet connection to do sudo apt-get install firefox, sudo apt-get install wine, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre ?
[07:24] <skreechmiester> q: What do Gentoo users do?
[07:24] <skreechmiester> a: they meta install software
[07:24] <mu3en> member:bdizzle, sure but one way or the other you will need those packages from somewhere right?
[07:25] <bdizzle> yes, but my only option is through a jump drive to port them over
[07:25] <mu3en> member:bdizzle so either you can manually install the .deb files, or you get yourself online and do it via apt
[07:25] <bdizzle> consider internet and any networking capabilities dead
[07:25] <_2> bdizzle NETWORK THE TWO BOXEN !
[07:25] <mu3en> member:bdizzle okay cool, so get your fresh install, get your .debs and go for it
[07:25]  * _2 pulls hair...
[07:25] <bdizzle> I was trying to install the .deb files, I got lost in the dependencies and fried it. that caused the first reformat
[07:26] <bdizzle> _2, give me a tutorial then
[07:26] <bdizzle> I'll follow it, but I don't know how to do it on my own
[07:26] <mu3en> member:bdizzle yeah, that's thedanger, you need to satisfy your depedencies first
[07:26] <mu3en> member:bdizzle if you cannot network the two machines by accessing a router/switch with catV cables, you will need crossCatV
[07:27] <bdizzle> which is?
[07:27] <mu3en> member:mu3en but your network card has to be okay
[07:27] <skreechmiester> _2: You missed one
[07:27] <bdizzle> I have a wireless connection on my laptop, and a lan cable connected to the back of my desktop
[07:27] <bdizzle> the only option for connecting the two is through that wire
[07:27] <mu3en> member:bdizzle it's a standard ethernet cable but the wires cross over in the middle so the signlas for in and out match on each end
[07:27] <bdizzle> yeah, I don't have one of those
[07:28] <bdizzle> I just have a standard Cat5 cable
[07:28] <pteague> should i bother with the kde4 packages or just stick with the 8.04 defaults?
[07:29] <bdizzle> question
[07:29] <mu3en> member:bdizzle unless you can access some kind of switch so the two catV can talk, it's going to be real difficult. instead you will have to simply build the dependency .debs, copy them onto your drive, then take them across and install them in the right order
[07:29] <bdizzle> that's what I tried to do, but I don't know the right order
[07:29] <bdizzle> okay, if java-common is installed by default
[07:29] <bdizzle> can I just get a plugin for firefox to use java, or do I need more than that?
[07:30] <_2> sudo ifdown eth0 ;sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> up ;sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>  <<< and on the other box (with inet) >>> echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ;sudo ifdown eth0 ;sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> up
[07:30] <_2> that's as tutorial as i get.   google knows the rest.
[07:30] <bdizzle> _2  ?
[07:31] <bdizzle> replacing the two IP addresses with my own?
[07:31] <bdizzle> which I find out what they are ... how?
[07:31] <_2> oh and edit /etc/resolv.conf   and make the non-ineted one look like the ineted one.
[07:31] <_2> ifconfig
[07:33] <bdizzle> wait, edit /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:33] <bdizzle> I can barely follow what you wrote above
[07:34] <mu3en> member:bdizzle do you know whether these two machines are even on the same (or any) network?
[07:34] <bdizzle> no, they aren't
[07:34] <mu3en> yeah, so i figure all that is pretty useless to you
[07:34] <bdizzle> one is one the campus wireless network (laptop), then the desktop is connected to their damn residential network
[07:34] <mu3en> you can tell them about eachother all you want, but ultimately they're not connected
[07:35] <_2> mu3en what are you on about ?
[07:35] <bdizzle> fun
[07:35] <_2> mu3en that was for a crossover cable   box to box.
[07:35] <skreechmiester> gnome-terminal: Depends: gnome-terminal-data (= 2.14.2-0ubuntu1) but 2.14.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[07:35] <mu3en> member:_2 no cross catV
[07:35] <bdizzle> okay, I'm just going to do another fresh reformat, then scream at the computing center in the morning for being dumbasses
[07:36] <_2> mu3en did i miss something ?
[07:36] <mu3en> member:_2 i mean, you'd be totally right if it were you or me with our spare cross catV, but for most people they're not gonna have that on hand
[07:37] <_2> mu3en  i though i asked him if he had a crossover cable...
[07:37] <bdizzle> wtf?
[07:37] <_2> bdizzle do you have a crossover cable ?
[07:37] <bdizzle> now I get a message when I tried to opn CD ROM drive
[07:37] <bdizzle> a what?
[07:37] <mu3en> member:_2 grin. bdizzle. your best bet is to figure out the package dependencies and their order, then take them on a removable and install them correctly onto the desktop
[07:38] <bdizzle> umount: only root can unmount /dev/scd1 from /media/cdrom0
[07:38] <mu3en> member:_2 i did, you did, he said the same "what is that"
[07:38] <posingaspopular> sudo unomount /dev/scd1
[07:38] <posingaspopular> @ bdizzle
[07:38] <posingaspopular> umount*
[07:38] <bdizzle> sudo: unmount: command not found
[07:39] <mu3en> umount
[07:39] <bdizzle> yeah, just figured that one
[07:39] <bdizzle> damn, I just realized how late it is
[07:40] <bdizzle> okay, I was trying to use APTonCD, but I think it failed partially due to a bad burn
[07:40] <bdizzle> but it at least got all the .deb files that I needed (or at least mostly)
[07:40] <bdizzle> are there any meta packages out there for firefox and java that I can get it working with?
[07:40] <_2> mu3en ah sorry.   he was answering someone else when i thought he said  <bdizzle> yeah    my bad.
[07:41] <mu3en> member:_2 cool.
[07:41] <mu3en> member:bdizzle honestly though, if you can manage to get the thing online somehow, even if it means getting a wifi card or a cross CatV, it will make your life a lot easier
[07:42] <bdizzle> I realize that
[07:42] <_2> so.   i would still go for a crossover.     forget hacking around with trash   and get the thing online.
[07:42] <mu3en> member:bdizzle yeah _2 is right about that. it is the lowest cost solution
[07:42] <bdizzle> the only wireless thing I have is a Linksys W45G (or whatever the hell that little box is) that takes forever to get working
[07:42] <mu3en> yeah
[07:42] <mu3en> crossover will be altogether easier and better
[07:43] <bdizzle> I've got one at home, which means I won't get it until next monday or so
[07:43] <mu3en> follow _2 's suggestion and it'll get you up and running quickly
[07:43] <mu3en> you may be able to borrow one too maybe
[07:43] <bdizzle> yeah
[07:43] <_2> you are at a school ?     make one.
[07:44] <mu3en> true true!
[07:44] <bdizzle> or find a way to get an external hard drive, copy over EVERYTHING in the linux partition, then copy it via root or something
[07:44] <bdizzle> heh, again, how?
[07:44] <bdizzle> kinda missing technical expertise on it
[07:44] <mu3en> cut and paste!!! google can help you there.
[07:44] <mu3en> basically you cut the wires, strip a little and cross and tie
[07:44] <_2> google search for   wiring diagram for crossover cat5
[07:44] <mu3en> grin
[07:45]  * _2 has never cut the wires...   someone very near you has an end replacement tool.
[07:46] <_2> but in a pinch cutting the wires will work
[07:46] <_2> bdizzle  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4f225bcf
[07:47] <bdizzle> yeah, just trying to remember how I did it back in electronics class in high school
[07:47] <bdizzle> and need to find a crimper somehow
[07:48]  * _2 also can't imagine having a lappy without a crossover cable on hand...
[07:48] <bdizzle> okay, I was able to get firefox to work
[07:48] <bdizzle> java is another issue
[07:49] <_2> but then again to me that's like a computer without a keyboard...
[07:49] <_2> what's it for ?
[07:49] <bdizzle> what is what for?
[07:49] <_2> @ _2
[07:50] <bdizzle> on my laptop, I have java-common, libaccess-bridge-java, libcommons-cli-java, libcommons-lang-java, liblog4j1.2-java, libmozjs0d, libseda-java, libseda-java, libswt3.2-gtk-java, libswt3.2-gtk-jni, openjdk-6-jre, openjdk-6-jre-headless, openjdk-6-jre-lib, sun-java6-bin, sun-java6.jre, sun-java6-plugin, and tzdata-java installed
[07:51] <bdizzle> on the desktop, I am missing that sun-java6-plugin
[07:51] <bdizzle> hold on, that might be close to it
[07:51] <mu3en> grin...little further...
[07:51] <bdizzle> where is the architecture dependent stuff?
[07:52] <bdizzle> err, independent
[07:52] <_2> !64
[07:52] <bdizzle> I'm running i386
[07:52] <bdizzle> !i386
[07:53] <_2> then why would arch-independant be an issue ?     what did i miss ?
[07:53] <_2> !packages
[07:54] <bdizzle> and missing now xulrunner-1.9
[07:54] <_2> see the url    ^
[07:54] <_2> 20k   is not very accurate.
[07:54] <_2> !find .*
[07:55] <_2> 24k
[07:55] <skreechmiester> _2: Pretty much 25
[07:55] <infinity> !wireless
[07:55] <_2> well i was using k not K
[07:55] <bdizzle> yeah, working on that
[07:55] <_2> 24*1024 = 24576
[07:57] <twf> Hello
[07:57] <_2> < is base two you know.
[07:58] <twf> ?
[07:58] <_2> !?
[07:58] <hsystemx> .
[07:59] <hsystemx> #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:59] <_2> !botsnack
[07:59] <twf> Been on Linux 2 days, having just split from Windows after 20 odd years.
[07:59] <bdizzle> ugh, got that one installed
[07:59] <bdizzle> now its still not going
[07:59] <twf> and Ive also left AOL after 10 years
[07:59] <twf> all at the same time.
[07:59] <_2> twf you have been using ms windows for 20+ years ?
[07:59] <bdizzle> twf, was on windows for about 10 years, just split after six months, still can't figure out more than the simple shit
[08:00] <bdizzle> yeah, how is that possible, windows hasn't been around that long
[08:00] <twf> Im 33 and im sure Win 3.1 was out when I was 13-14
[08:00] <bdizzle> 1.0 was realized in like, 87 or so
[08:00] <bdizzle> 3.1 came out probably around 1992 or so
[08:00] <skreechmiester> twf: Welcome to Kubuntu
[08:00] <twf> Maybe a little less then!
[08:00] <twf> I was about 16....
[08:00] <_2> :)
[08:01] <mu3en> rounding differences
[08:01] <_2> anyway.  you have a ?
[08:01] <twf> In 92 I was using Workbench 1.3
[08:01] <bdizzle> okay, I'll ask here, because I'm not sure where else to go for it
[08:01] <bdizzle> what plugins does firefox need to get java to work?
[08:01] <skreechmiester> !java
[08:01] <bdizzle> I just don't know what else I'm missing
[08:01] <skreechmiester> the runtime should get you firefox plugins
[08:02] <mu3en> mozilla java something something
[08:02] <_2> !firefox-plugins
[08:02] <twf> Ive got a silly q. Can I ask?
[08:02] <_2> you just did
[08:02] <skreechmiester> twf: Please do
[08:02] <_2> !ask
[08:03] <twf> I want the clock to be moved from the top right of the screen to bottom right, years of windows use has got me looking in the wrong place for the time
[08:03] <_2> twf is that gnome you are looking at ?
[08:03] <twf> yep
[08:03] <posingaspopular> twf: you are probably using gnome
[08:03] <posingaspopular> not kde
[08:03] <posingaspopular> which is the #ubuntu channel, not #kubuntu
[08:03] <skreechmiester> KDE has it in the bottom left
[08:03] <bdizzle> gah, it should all be working, all the packages are in there
[08:03] <posingaspopular> twf: drag it down
[08:04] <posingaspopular> click the taskbar and pull it down, should be simple
[08:04] <skreechmiester> twf: In any case right click on the panel where you want it and add applet
[08:04] <_2> twf well the gnome channel is /join #ubuntu     but at any rate   right click on the clock and "unlock" it,  then right click "move" it
[08:04] <twf> doh! - I was trying to just drag the clock. taskbar has swapped fine - thanks!
[08:05] <_2> twf we normally don't send people to the busy channel unless we don't know the answer.  but do keep in mind that gnome is -> over there.
[08:06] <twf> ah.  Thanks for that.
[08:06] <_2> and kde4 is --> /join kubuntu-kde4
[08:06] <skreechmiester> "The busy channel"
[08:06] <_2> skreechmiester been in there lately ?
[08:06] <skreechmiester> Unfortunately
[08:06] <_2> :)))
[08:06] <_2> then you know.
[08:08] <acornstar> i'm getting poor quality graphics (grainy, bad shadowing) under kubuntu...can anyone help?
[08:08] <skreechmiester> webcam?
[08:08] <acornstar> no
[08:08] <acornstar> videos
[08:08] <acornstar> i've given up on the webcam
[08:09] <acornstar> I have an ATI Radeon Xpress video card
[08:09] <acornstar> There are drivers for linux on their site, but I don't know how to install them
[08:09] <flaccid> acornstar: did you check your webcam support and which driver to use?
[08:10] <flaccid> acornstar: also use hardware drivers manager for the video driver
[08:10] <bdizzle> how do I check what plugins firefox has installed on the browser side?
[08:10] <acornstar> flaccid: i couldnt find my webcam listed, easycam told me not compatible
[08:10] <skreechmiester> bdizzle: about:plugins
[08:10] <acornstar> flaccid: where can I find hardware drivers manager?
[08:10] <flaccid> acornstar: kmenu - system
[08:10] <acornstar> flaccid: nevermind, found t
[08:10] <flaccid> acornstar: if its usb, what is the entry in lsusb?
[08:11] <mu3en> member:bdizzle reatart the computer
[08:11] <mu3en> member:bdizzle and the addons menu item in firefox should show you the plugins
[08:11] <acornstar> flaccid: it was Service & Quality Technology Co., Ltd
[08:12] <bdizzle> yeah, hold on
[08:12] <bdizzle> I can only think of one last package for it to be missing
[08:13] <flaccid> acornstar: paste it.. we need the id
[08:13] <flaccid> brb
[08:13] <acornstar> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0ad2:9314 Service & Quality Technology Co., Ltd
[08:15] <acornstar> flaccid: i enabled my card, i will check later
[08:15] <flaccid> can't see anything on google
[08:16] <flaccid> i'll look a bit more soon
[08:16] <bdizzle> okay, this is going to sound crazy
[08:17] <bdizzle> but the only package I have left that I can think of is the ubufox package, which ties in the apt to the firefox
[08:17] <bdizzle> most of the dependencies are gnome based
[08:17] <mu3en> uh
[08:17] <mu3en> i don't think you need that
[08:17] <bdizzle> as are many of the programs I use.
[08:17] <bdizzle> I've got it on my laptop
[08:17] <mu3en> okay
[08:17] <mu3en> in that case maybe
[08:17] <mu3en> it has some relevance in kde too
[08:18] <bdizzle> is there a way to just grab all of the gnome libs and dependencies all in one, rather than possibly destroying it all?
[08:18] <_2> i thought the default action for scp was to dereferance ???
[08:18] <acornstar> flaccid: could it be that my camera is so generic that it just wont work?
[08:19] <mu3en> member:bdizzle check your /var/cache/apt
[08:19] <mu3en> on your laptop
[08:19] <mu3en> many debs should be in there already
[08:19] <bdizzle> ok
[08:19] <_2> or use apt-zip to get a list
[08:19] <flaccid> acornstar: there is no webcam standard protocol thus drivers are usually windows only for the more generic stuff. i can't find a driver for this cam
[08:20] <acornstar> flaccid: so my windows drivers are useless, right?
[08:20] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: tried out?
[08:20] <joshuajtl> hi
[08:20] <joshuajtl> skreechmiester: what?
[08:21] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: tried out KDE on openSuse 11?
[08:21] <joshuajtl> skreechmiester: oh, no I gave up just installed kubuntu kde3 again :)
[08:21] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: Gave up on what?
[08:21] <bdizzle> what is glade?
[08:22] <skreechmiester> !info glade
[08:22] <bdizzle> ok
[08:22] <joshuajtl> so i just installed, did an update, rebooted, are there any particular repos i should add now? say medibuntu perhaps? (ive been running ubuntuu for a while)
[08:22] <joshuajtl> skreechmiester: gave up downloading the massive dvd
[08:22] <skreechmiester> joshuajtl: I told you get the Cd :)
[08:23] <bdizzle> okay, how is ubufox installed without glade2, one of the dependencies of the dependencies
[08:23] <joshuajtl> skreechmiester: oh the netinstall ?
[08:23] <skreechmiester> Essentially
[08:23] <joshuajtl> i did, but decided to stick to kubuntu since this is a dell which came preinstalled with ubuntu... just easier
[08:23] <skreechmiester> Ok that's fine
[08:24] <joshuajtl> skreechmiester: can you aid me on that question up there?
[08:24] <faileas> joshuajtl: usually i add medibuntu, and enable all the reps that are disabled on sources.lst...
[08:24] <_2> joshuajtl it's more of a preferance thing.    if you want packages from medibuntu then add it.
[08:24] <faileas> then anything else depends on needs
[08:25] <joshuajtl> cool got it
[08:25] <joshuajtl> wasnt sure if medibuntu was for all buntu's or not
[08:25] <joshuajtl> thx
[08:26] <_2> i personally  don't like the idea of contaminating an FOSS system with propritary Krap.   but i do have one box that i did so i could access dvd's on it.   plus it has mostly ati chips in it...
[08:26] <flaccid> acornstar: yeah
[08:27] <acornstar> flaccid: graphics are still pixelated/grainy
[08:27] <mu3en> member:bdizzle you have glade on the laptop?
[08:27] <acornstar> i enabled my card
[08:27] <faileas> _2: er, actually medibuntu isn't propritory, its just legally dubious ;p
[08:28] <flaccid> acornstar: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look at possible reasons in there
[08:28] <_2> not altogather faileas iirc
[08:28] <faileas> _2: i thought it was partner which had the propitory stuff?
[08:28] <bdizzle> yeah
[08:29] <bdizzle> see, I never really paid attention to it. Just so long as it got it to work, I was fine
[08:29] <_2> faileas "restricted"
[08:29] <faileas> ahh
[08:29] <mu3en> member:bdizzle so fill the dependencies
[08:29] <bdizzle> yeah, working on that
[08:29]  * faileas dosen't really care about an idiologically pure system anyway
[08:29] <mu3en> member:bdizzle it sucks, but there it is. i've had to do it in a few jams
[08:30] <bdizzle> dependencies suck
[08:30] <_2> faileas but yes partener and medibuntu may hold some also.
[08:30] <bdizzle> I almost miss those .exe files
[08:30] <faileas> _2: partner definately does
[08:30] <acornstar> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/34643/
[08:30] <faileas> bdizzle: windows has dep issues as well. its just that most apps are packaged with their dependancies
[08:31] <acornstar> there is a lot of (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual
[08:31] <bdizzle> true
[08:31] <_2> !virus
[08:31] <_2> part of the dep's issue is also the reason ^
[08:32] <faileas> _2: its a differance in packaging philosophies ;p
[08:34] <_2> not only.   the fact that you can't just copy a binary from any linux to any linux and run it is part of the issue.
[08:35] <_2> elf binaries have to match the libc version...  or be very carefully constructed
[08:36] <mu3en> member:bdizzle to be honest, offline is like a total nighmare, trapped in a box...
[08:37] <bdizzle> I know it is
[08:37] <bdizzle> or at least so I am realizing very quickly
[08:37] <mu3en> member:bdizzle the big issue here is more the way you are being forced to use your connection
[08:38] <bdizzle> true, but I dont' have much of a choice, do I?
[08:38] <mu3en> member:bdizzle just to counter the view that windows would be a better option...it just isn't
[08:38] <bdizzle> heh
[08:38] <mu3en> member:bdizzle i'm afraid not
[08:39] <bdizzle> I just hope I'm near the end of the dependency tunnel
[08:39] <_2> you are a fraid knot ?     i thought you were just a string...
[08:39] <_2> :)))
[08:40] <skreechmiester> not a real string
[08:40] <skreechmiester>  just a theory
[08:40] <_2> oh ?
[08:41] <_2> but he is a fraid knot !
[08:41] <skreechmiester> You can be a frayed knot theoritcally
[08:43] <bdizzle> grr, this is tarting to get annoying here
[08:44] <bazhang> bdizzle, aptoncd a no-go?
[08:44] <mu3en> member:bdizzle seems a little endless
[08:44] <bdizzle> no sadly
[08:45] <bdizzle> it worked, but caused its own problems on top of it
[08:45] <bazhang> bdizzle, why do you need firefox if there is no net for that box
[08:45] <bdizzle> there is net
[08:45] <bdizzle> BUT
[08:45] <bdizzle> I have to jump through a lot of hoops to get it
[08:45] <bdizzle> I have firefox now
[08:46] <bdizzle> now its trying to get java completely on, and getting firefox to see that java is on there
[08:46] <bazhang> what sort of hoops.
[08:46] <bdizzle> I have to download and install a windows-based program via a java applet on an approved browser
[08:46] <bdizzle> they just "approved" firefox last year apparently
[08:47] <bazhang> bdizzle, any reason not to just get the 8.04.1 live cd
[08:47] <bdizzle> I have it, and just installed it with a fresh reboot
[08:47] <bdizzle> it didn't have any of that stuff on it (gee, I wonder why... its on medibuntu, which I can't connect to)
[08:48] <bazhang> bdizzle, so its really java you need, and not firefox?
[08:48] <bdizzle> no, I need both
[08:48] <joshuajtl> is there any work around for gmail in konqueror?
[08:48] <bazhang> 8.04.1 has it, does it not bdizzle ?
[08:49] <bdizzle> no, it doesn't
[08:49] <bdizzle> it comes with konqueor
[08:49] <bdizzle> ubuntu comes with it, kubuntu does not
[08:49] <joshuajtl> and is kickoff available for kubuntu anywhere?
[08:50] <bazhang> bdizzle, once you have verified with this windows applet on java, then you are set? or do you need to do it every time.
[08:50] <bdizzle> is there a giant python meta package to download every python package known to man
[08:50] <bdizzle> I honestly don't know
[08:51] <mu3en> member:bdizzle could bash your laptop on the wired and try it out, if it's a one off, you could avoid the whole thing. i assumed earlier that was not possible and didn't bother suggesting it
[08:51] <bazhang> bdizzle, then how do you know of this policy; they sent you an email or what
[08:51] <bdizzle> for the program?
[08:51] <bdizzle> I found out when I typed in "www.google.com" and it auto-directed me to their site
[08:51] <joshuajtl> n-e-one?
[08:51] <bazhang> the using internet policy bdizzle
[08:52] <bazhang> !info kickoff
[08:52] <bazhang> !find kickoff
[08:52] <mu3en> member:bdizzle pure evil...
[08:52] <bdizzle> agreed
[08:52] <joshuajtl> hrmm
[08:52] <bdizzle> most people don't care, because they use windows
[08:52] <bdizzle> a few use Mac, but not many that I have seen
[08:52] <bazhang> bdizzle, and what specifically does the site say?
[08:52] <bdizzle> eh, second though, that depends
[08:53] <mu3en> member:bdizzle yeah. let's not get into the most people discussion on this forum
[08:53] <bdizzle> haha, true
[08:53] <bdizzle> when I load it up on the desktop, just that it requires java to download, and java cannot be found
[08:53] <bazhang> mu3en, why the 'member' in your answers
[08:53] <mu3en> _2 will get excited
[08:53] <mu3en> member:bazhang coloquy
[08:53] <bazhang> !test
[08:53] <joshuajtl> anyone use kickoff?
[08:53] <bazhang> !uptime
[08:54] <bdizzle> !downtime
[08:54] <bdizzle> !existence
[08:54] <_2> who what where ???
[08:54] <bdizzle> !life
[08:54] <bazhang> bdizzle, why not load up a vm with windows then
[08:54] <_2> mu3en what are you on about ?
[08:54] <bdizzle> because I'd rather run it natively?
[08:54] <nicobrain> good morning
[08:55] <mu3en> member:bdizzle yeah, why virtualize unless you have to
[08:55] <bazhang> bdizzle, to get the internet that is. then use ubuntu/kubuntu and download everything you need
[08:55] <bdizzle> oh
[08:55] <bdizzle> I dunno, it seems I'll have everything by the time I actually connect to it
[08:56] <bazhang> would be tons easier than what you are trying to do.
[08:56] <mu3en> member:bazhang member:bdizzle wine might be enough for this
[08:56] <bdizzle> I know
[08:56] <bdizzle> wine might be, but the page is written in java to download it
[08:56] <bdizzle> its not a simple "click here and download evil_program.exe"
[08:56] <mu3en> member:bazhang plus, depending how the thing is set up, it might only apply to the virtual connection
[08:56] <nicobrain> i had a problem with my office laptop....i had kubuntu 8.04 ..... if i boot normaly i became a black screen, i dont coe to the first console.......if i boot and change in grub to the recovery i can start normaly without errors the X.
[08:56] <bazhang> not in wine. in virtualbox or vmware-server
[08:56] <nicobrain> any idea?
[08:57] <mu3en> member:bazhang i figured that, i'm saying wine is probably slimmer for such a task that a full virtualized winbox
[08:57] <bdizzle> okay, now its just being mean
[08:57] <bdizzle> python-sexy requires libenchant?
[08:57] <bazhang> mu3en, please dont say 'member' to me.
[08:57] <mu3en> member:bdizzle grin. not without a sense of irony.
[08:58] <_2> !ati | nicobrain
[08:58] <mu3en> member:bazhang grin, out of my control...
[08:58] <nicobrain> ubottu: yesterdda in the evening, it goe normaly, and i dont change yesterday anithing
[08:59] <nicobrain> has nobody an idea?
[09:00] <_2> nicobrain i just gave you mine.   check into the driver/kernel/update prospects.
[09:00] <joshuajtl> so dolphin is tabless?
[09:00] <_2> !d3lphin
[09:00] <nicobrain> _2: but yesterday it work without problems.....aand i change nothing....?
[09:00] <_2> nicobrain so ?
[09:01] <nicobrain> _2: yes....
[09:01] <mu3en> grin
[09:01] <nicobrain> _2: no update, no upgrade, no installation
[09:01] <_2> nicobrain half of "just works" is in fact "changes things for you"
[09:01] <nicobrain> _2: sry, my english is too bad......what you mean?
[09:02]  * _2 doesn't like "does things without asking"  so also doesn't like "just works mentality"
[09:02] <joshuajtl> ah guess not
[09:02] <joshuajtl> weird that if there are no tabs there is no File> new window
[09:02] <bdizzle> could on the next version of Kubuntu, they make sure they include an open source version of Java and Firefox so that no one else has this nightmare
[09:03] <_2> nicobrain i mean resintall your vidio driver and see if it fixes all your woes
[09:03] <nicobrain> how can i do that....i dont came on a terminal
[09:04] <_2> !ati | nicobrain maybe this will help, follow the link
[09:04] <_2> !loop
[09:04] <mu3en> member:bdizzle i think there are a world of difficulties around that maybe...
[09:04] <bazhang> mu3en, you still around?
[09:04] <mu3en> member:bazhang sure
[09:05] <nicobrain> _2: strg+alt+f1 does nothing...so i dont come to a console
[09:06] <_2> alt+f2    do anything ?
[09:06] <nicobrain> mom
[09:07] <_2> alt+sysRQ+r   then   crtl+alt+f3    maybe.
[09:07] <_2> are you in a console already ?
[09:07] <_2> do your ears hang low
[09:07] <_2> sorry.
[09:08] <nicobrain> ???? i 'am confused..... x is started... i have normaly reboot???
[09:08] <nicobrain> where can i see a log file?
[09:08] <_2> /var/log/*
[09:09] <joshuajtl> does anyone use kickoff?
[09:09] <mu3en> member:bazhang what's up?
[09:11] <nicobrain> joshuajtl : yes, iam
[09:13] <joshuajtl_> nicobrain: pray tell where might i find it?
[09:14] <nicobrain> joshuajtl_ thats the onlyy version which works at me: http://rene-kalk.de/blog/remository.html?func=fileinfo&id=3
[09:14] <joshuajtl_> nicobrain: great thanks!
[09:15] <_2> oh i guess the hardware has to be in place for a connection to work     ;/
[09:16] <nicobrain> _2 i have reinstall the Nvidia-Driver via the restricted-driver menue....and it works.....but i cant see in the log what was the proble
[09:16] <bdizzle> damn it. Half an hour and still won't work
[09:16] <bazhang> !vm
[09:16] <mu3en> would it work on your laptop?
[09:17] <_2> nicobrain you do notice that Xorg*old is the place to look
[09:17] <bdizzle> not sure, let me try
[09:17] <_2> mu3en :)
[09:17] <mu3en> member:bdizzle could at least get you online long enough with your desktop to do your thing with apt
[09:18] <bdizzle> no, that site is blocking any incoming / outgoing traffic
[09:18] <bdizzle> its a true firewall with a key
[09:18] <bdizzle> brb, need to disconnect and reconnect
[09:18] <mu3en> member:bdizzle okay at least you can confirm it could work...
[09:19] <bdizzle> back
[09:19] <nicobrain> _2 the old and the new xorg.conf....are totaly the same...just one difference for the keyboard
[09:20] <bdizzle> and no, the wired connection does not work on the laptop
[09:21] <_2> nicobrain not xorg.conf   i'm talking about the log files  in /var/log/Xorg*old
[09:21] <bdizzle> god damn ODU
[09:21] <bdizzle> seriously, this is just ... horrible
[09:21] <_2> nicobrain and yes the conf files should be the same   your hardware didn't change.
[09:22] <sobersabre> hi, 2 questions: 1. where can I get the keys for the ppa server with KDE4.1 packages ?
[09:22] <_2> !kde4
[09:22] <sobersabre> 2. I've found a small integration/configuration problem in kdm-kde4 package.
[09:22] <_2> see above
[09:23] <aldo> hello!
[09:24] <tim_> l
[09:24] <sobersabre> ok.
[09:24] <nicobrain> _2 i have look in the old but i cant find any errr.....can you have a look please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/34652/
[09:24] <sobersabre> thanks, _2
[09:24] <sobersabre> now another question.
[09:24] <sobersabre> I want to setup a CA, certificate authority.
[09:24] <sobersabre> openssl, x509 etc.
[09:25] <sobersabre> is there a channel for this on freenode ?
[09:25] <sobersabre> as a matter of fact I've already done that, but I made some mistakes, and I want to discuss it, before redoing it correctly.
[09:26] <bdizzle> on an IRC network, what does this mean:
[09:26] <mu3en> member:bdizzle i know this might not be the case, but assuming this is a firewall, is it possible you could set your proxy with a username and password to pen the tunnel?
[09:26] <bdizzle> Cisco Clean Access Java Applet web client could NOT be launched. The reasons for this might include:
[09:26] <bdizzle>     * Java Plug-in is not installed in your browser.
[09:26] <bdizzle>     * Java Applet is disabled in your browser's security settings.
[09:26] <bdizzle> And you might be able to fix this by
[09:26] <bdizzle>     * Download and install Java Plug-in from here
[09:26] <bdizzle>     * Enable Java Applet in your browser's security settings.
[09:26] <bdizzle> If you cannot run the Cisco Clean Access Java Applet web client, you will not be able to access this network. Please contact the systems administrator.
[09:26] <bdizzle> gah, sorry, that's the error I got
[09:27] <bdizzle> on an IRC network, what does it mean when the connection is being actively refused?
[09:27] <mu3en> member:bdizzle okay, forget what i said about the proxy.
[09:27] <bdizzle> lol
[09:27] <mu3en> member:bdizzle Cisco Clean Access Java Applet web client...yuk
[09:28] <bdizzle> that bad?
[09:29] <mu3en> member:bdizzle i mean...uh...clearly it is right? it's been an hour and you're still not online...
[09:30] <bdizzle> try 5 hours
[09:30] <mu3en> member:bdizzle i'd say it was bad
[09:30] <mu3en> yeah
[09:30] <bdizzle> its nearly 4:30 AM
[09:30] <_2> nicobrain line 706 for starters
[09:30] <mu3en> member:bdizzle sorry to hear that. i am going to guess you restarted after you installed all your stuff and that you can see the java plugin in the add-ons in firefox?
[09:31] <bdizzle> no for some reason, I can't
[09:31] <nicobrain> _2 ok.....
[09:31] <bdizzle> let me try to restart computer completely
[09:31] <mu3en> yes
[09:31] <mu3en> you should after the insatlls
[09:31] <_2> nicobrain but unless you use compiz or kde4's desktop effects   that shouldn't be the cause.
[09:31] <joshuajtl_> nicobrain: how do you add kickoff to a panel?
[09:32] <bdizzle> but I'm trying to look around and see if anyone else has had this problem
[09:32] <bdizzle> and apparently it has something to do with them using ActiveX on a security program......
[09:32] <bdizzle> because you know, ActiveX is so much safer than Linux...
[09:33] <_2> nicobrain i would also sujest you look in the dpkg logs in the same dir   you might have had updates that you didn't remember accepting or something.    just the last several lines should be enough
[09:33] <nicobrain> _2 i have installed the complete system before 3 or 4 days....and it works....so....how can it goes that the driver in one moment not loaded?
[09:33] <bazhang> which is a vm would be best here bdizzle
[09:33] <bdizzle> grr
[09:34] <bazhang> and very fast
[09:34] <bdizzle> btw, this is the page from cisco on that damn program
[09:34] <bdizzle> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/nac/appliance/configuration_guide/412/cas/s_L3oob.html
[09:34] <bdizzle> yeah, but it also means I have to find my copy of WinXP Pro at home
[09:34] <mu3en> member:bazhang member:bdizzle i'm afraid at this point bazhang is right. the problem of course is that you will still need to install the whole thing offline, and you'll bea t it for a hour or two...
[09:34] <_2> nicobrain like i said     "just works"      i hate automatic Krap.   causes more trouble than it's worth, is hard to trouble shoot, and breeds "reboot will fix anything" mentality.
[09:35] <_2> the more like M$ *buntu becomes the more i hate it.
[09:35] <nicobrain> _2 hm....thats maybe right
[09:36] <mu3en> member:_2 ...maybe automatic krap that doesn't clearly explain, document, and log what it does?
[09:36] <_2> mu3en that fits most cases  yes.
[09:36] <nicobrain> _2 ok.....thanks :D i wish your a good day
[09:36] <bdizzle> I don't mind XP Pro once you have it working the way you like. But I also like the flexibility and modularity of Linux
[09:37] <_2> nicobrain peace be with you.    glad it's working now.
[09:37] <bdizzle> Vista ... I won't even go near
[09:38] <mu3en> member:_2 grin... unfortunately...
[09:38]  * _2 doesn't do windows .  <-- that's a piriod, in case anyone doesn't know about punctuation
[09:40] <mu3en> member:_2 or period for those who don't know anything about spelling... grin
[09:41] <bdizzle> okay, similar page
[09:41] <bdizzle> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=126488&sid=5fab5d14140844f40b0a751a57672ddf
[09:41] <bdizzle> translate into usefulness?
[09:43] <_2> mu3en oh you speak americian english ?
[09:43] <mu3en> member:_2 as opposed to the made up kind in which piriod is a word?
[09:44] <mu3en> member:_2 but no, i'm not american
[09:47] <bdizzle> wait, crazy idea based on something I read
[09:47] <bdizzle> how do I make firefox look like another browser?
[09:47] <mu3en> member:bdizzle in the settings
[09:48] <bazhang> user agent switcher, but that wont help here bdizzle
[09:48] <mu3en> member:bdizzle sorry, ignore that though...
[09:48] <bdizzle> um, it might...
[09:48] <bdizzle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599013
[09:48] <_2> yeah it might.   but it wont
[09:48] <mu3en> member:bdizzle i'm inclined to agree that the problem here is java, not the browser
[09:48] <bdizzle> apparently I'm not the only one that absolutely despises this system
[09:49] <mu3en> member:bdizzle or possibly browser-java linkup
[09:49] <bazhang> nothing to do with the browser.
[09:50] <mu3en> member:bazhang meaning, the browser is clearly getting to the page, but the java is not able to run?
[09:51] <bazhang> bdizzle, just vm another linux distro, one that has all the bad bits, then download ubuntu-restricted-extras for ubuntu and you are good to go.
[09:52] <mu3en> sounds like a solution
[09:52] <bdizzle> wait, looking through the forums, it looks like someone has a solution
[09:52] <mu3en> not much fun...but doable
[09:52] <bdizzle> would thi s work?
[09:52] <bazhang> bdizzle, err sorry kubuntu-restricted-extras for kubuntu :)
[09:52] <bdizzle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599013
[09:52] <bdizzle> yeah
[09:54] <mu3en> member:bdizzle uhm
[09:55] <mu3en> member:bdizzle yes and no, i think the fact that the java doesn't run might be an issue here before you even get to the dns stage
[09:55] <bdizzle> perhaps
[09:55] <pst> ubuntu problem, with only on kernel is working fine with my wireless, if I choose newest kernel then wireless is unstable
[09:55] <bdizzle> brb, let me try this
[09:56] <mu3en> member:bdizzle seems more like the java isn't running to do it's certification, and since i guess you had to register your MAC, you can't use your laptop to open the tunnel for the time frame as descrbed in your link
[09:56] <_2> pst install the driver for the new kernel
[09:56] <pst> :D
[09:56] <pst> ok
[09:58] <bazhang> this is bdizzle's argh moment in linux
[09:58] <bazhang> once he gets it right will be an aha moment
[09:58] <_2> yeah.  and when i saw that i wasn't helping i tried to stay out of it...
[09:59] <bdizzle> meh, so much for that
[09:59] <bazhang> bdizzle, what sayest thou
[09:59] <bdizzle> for what?
[09:59] <mu3en> member:_2 hmm..maybe should have tried that too!
[09:59] <bazhang> success?
[09:59] <bdizzle> no sadly
[09:59] <bdizzle> apparently it has to deal with them wanting the proprietary Sun Java program, nothing else
[09:59] <_2> mu3en </shrugs>
[10:00] <bdizzle> which I see as really stupid
[10:00] <bdizzle> but, we'll play their game for a bit
[10:00]  * _2 agrees with bdizzle
[10:00] <bdizzle> anyone know how to install JRE from source?
[10:00] <bdizzle> I have the .bin file
[10:01] <_2> i think you   sudo sh file.bin
[10:01] <mu3en> member:bdizzle there is a .deb
[10:01] <markus_> hi forum. i am new to this irc. who can tell me how i can play the following link in amarok: http://dms-cl-012.skypro-media.net:8080 thank you
[10:01] <mu3en> member:bdizzle or two
[10:01] <_2> iirc it's a shell script wrapped around an archive
[10:02] <_2> oh and better use bash cause it may have bashism in it.  it has had in time past
[10:02] <_2>    sudo bash file.bin
[10:03] <bdizzle> okay, it extracted the files into a folder on the desktop
[10:03] <bdizzle> now what?
[10:03] <_2> errr in that case sudo was not needed maybe.   but any way point your browser at the dir
[10:04] <bdizzle> hmm?
[10:04] <bdizzle> how do I point firefox to the directory?
[10:05] <bdizzle> and where should I install the plugins at?
[10:05] <mu3en> hence the .debs...
[10:05] <_2> i think    ~/plugins  will work   no?
[10:05] <_2> you can link that to the dir it made.
[10:05] <_2> an easy test
[10:06] <bdizzle> oiy, alright, what are the .deb files then?
[10:06] <_2> !.deb
[10:07] <_2> !dpkg
[10:07] <bdizzle> sorry, not what are they
[10:07] <bdizzle> where are they
[10:08] <markus_> hi forum. i am new to this irc. who can tell me how i can play the following link in amarok: http://dms-cl-012.skypro-media.net:8080 thank you
[10:08] <_2> just link the dir and tell ff to "search for new plugins"
[10:08] <mu3en> in the repositories, you can access them with a browser too (use the repository lines from your sources.list as a guide
[10:08] <mu3en> these might me on medibuntu
[10:09] <_2> mu3en and in konqeror  apt://
[10:10] <mu3en> member:_2 even niftier
[10:10] <chatzilla> Who can create apt repository?
[10:10] <_2> !skype | markus_
[10:10] <bdizzle> okay, in firefox, where is the place to link it to?
[10:10] <_2> chatzilla you can
[10:10] <chatzilla> How can i do it?
[10:11] <markus_> _2 thanks
[10:11] <_2> bdizzle sorry it's not in ff where you do the linking.   it's in ff where you tell it to search for new plugins    you link with  command; ln -s "where/it/is" "where/you/want/it"
[10:12] <bdizzle> oh, okay
[10:12] <bdizzle> and the ~/plugins folder is where?
[10:12] <bdizzle> the one to drop the items into?
[10:12] <_2> bdizzle will be the last quote from my example ^
[10:13] <_2> ln -s ~/the/new/dir/*.bin/made ~/plugins
[10:13] <bdizzle> hmm?
[10:13] <bdizzle> wait, I'm lost
[10:13] <bazhang> chatzilla, use apt-mirrror
[10:13]  * _2 was afraid of that.
[10:13] <bazhang> err mirror
[10:13] <bdizzle> okay, so make a symbolic link from the folder on the desktop where the jre folder is currently at
[10:14] <_2> bdizzle yes
[10:14] <bdizzle> and where does firefox look for its plugins?
[10:14] <bdizzle> that's the folder I'm looking for
[10:14] <_2> in /usr/share/something....  and in ~/plugins   i think
[10:15] <_2> no one else seems to be correctimg me on that...
[10:16] <_2> i actually haven't played with a plugin in many years
[10:17] <_2> i still have a   ~/plugins/libflashplayer.so    so that is where i'm assuming it is wot to be
[10:18] <bdizzle> gah, I can't find it
[10:19] <bdizzle> I'm in /usr/share/mozilla
[10:19] <bdizzle> and nothing in there
[10:19] <_2> so use your home dir
[10:20] <bdizzle> hold on
[10:20] <bdizzle> yeah
[10:20] <bdizzle> so ~/.mozilla/firefox
[10:20] <drmarwat> hello
[10:20] <bdizzle> there is a pluginreg.dat
[10:20] <_2>    /usr/lib/plugins
[10:21] <_2>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[10:21] <_2>  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[10:21] <_2> idk.  maybe it's not usr/share
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> _2: or ~/.mozilla/plugins
[10:21] <bdizzle> I didn't see ~/.mozilla/plugins
[10:21] <bdizzle> I found ~/.mozilla/firefox
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> bdizzle: if you cd ~/.mozilla
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> hmm
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> in .mozilla if you make a plugins dir
[10:22] <bdizzle> oh, just make one?
[10:22] <drmarwat> hello
[10:22] <_2> ActionParsnip does konq look there too ?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> _2: not sure, mozilla will though
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> bdizzle: yeah man
[10:23] <drmarwat> kubuntu 8.04.1 gives me such display settings after nvidia driver installation...............http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1mg3.png
[10:23] <_2> ActionParsnip :)
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> !konq
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> !info konq
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> _2: whats konq?
[10:23] <drmarwat> would somebody tell me how to fix this pls?
[10:23] <_2> konqueror
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> oooooooh
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat: sup?
[10:24] <_2> </rolls eyes>
[10:24] <drmarwat> ActionParsnip: hello
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> _2: no idea, ive never used it
[10:24] <drmarwat> all ubuntu series 8.04 give me display problem
[10:24] <_2> k
[10:24] <bdizzle> brb
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat: ok, have you installed your graphics card?
[10:25] <drmarwat> this time the display is distorted
[10:25] <drmarwat> yes, just installed my graphics card
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat: ok what card do you have?
[10:25] <bdizzle> meh, need sleep. I'll try again in a few hours when I wake up
[10:25] <drmarwat> i also get only 600x display, fixed that but now this distortion issue
[10:26] <michken1982> hello
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat: what graphics card do you have?
[10:26] <drmarwat> i have nvidia geforce fx 5600
[10:26] <_2> michken1982
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat: ok, can we see your xorg.conf please
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> !paste | drmarwat
[10:26] <michken1982> i have a question
[10:26] <drmarwat> ok wait pls
[10:26] <michken1982> ok
[10:27] <_2> michken1982 that wasn't at you.
[10:27] <_2> !ask | michken1982
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: wassup
[10:27] <michken1982> sorry :)
[10:27] <michken1982> i have installed linux kubuntu
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> ok
[10:28] <_2> was that a question ?
[10:28] <michken1982> but before windows 2000 was installed on that computer
[10:28] <michken1982> and now i have two systems running and i want to delete windows 2000 partition
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> !kparted
[10:29] <_2> oh we are painting background.
[10:29] <_2> !qtparted
[10:29] <michken1982> kparted?
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> !parted
[10:29] <_2> qt^
[10:29]  * ActionParsnip plays a drumroll
[10:30] <michken1982> can  i download it
[10:30] <_2> !info qtparted
[10:30] <engineer> sudo aptitude install qtparted
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: theres an app called qtparted. If you delete the partition it will then be recreatable and you can format it ext3
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: this will destroy the data on the partition
[10:30] <michken1982> oh
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: so recover what you need before detruction
[10:31] <michken1982> i dont need windows on that pc
[10:31] <_2> cfdisk is installed by default    too
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: after its made good you can store all your docs and gumf on it :)
[10:32] <engineer> michken1982 sudo aptitude install qtparted
[10:32] <michken1982> i'm now installing qtparted :)
[10:32] <michken1982> thanx already
[10:33] <engineer> !next
[10:33] <_2> yeah,  and linux file systems have permissions bits so you can mount it and give any group/user ownership/permission for the whole fs or for only subdirs...
[10:34]  * _2 does sudo chmod 0001 /
[10:35] <_2> none of anybodies business what is in / anyway.
[10:41] <drmarwat_> ActionParsnip: sorry i was disconnected
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> check my pm
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> you got it?
[10:41] <_2> ok how to tell if a system can run 64bit ?   lshw | grep width    shows both 32 and 64  ???
[10:41] <drmarwat_> nope, i was disconnected
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: I just pasted you the text again
[10:42] <engineer> _2 cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:42] <drmarwat_> will this fix it permanantly?
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: yes as its in that file
[10:42] <_2> engineer so only the cpu need be 64 bit ?
[10:42] <drmarwat_> i have tried more than 10 ubuntu 8.04.1 types and all give me same issue
[10:43] <drmarwat_> 8.04
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: you need to kdesu kate the xorg.conf file so the changes are made
[10:44] <engineer> _2 yes
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: are you getting my PMs?
[10:45] <drmarwat_> no, i dont know why, wird
[10:45] <drmarwat_> weird
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: http://pastebin.com/m7ac2ba6c
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> easier
[10:46] <drmarwat_> thanks
[10:46] <_2> engineer ok.   well lshw -C cpu  says it's 64 bits   so i can't use either on it i guess.
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> _2: indeed
[10:46] <engineer> it's simple
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> _2: 64bit will use yor cpu more efficiently
[10:46] <engineer> if you have a live cd 64bit
[10:46] <engineer> you can know it
[10:47] <_2> ActionParsnip but not all the ati crap attached to it i fear
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> _2: ive always steered clear of ati
[10:47] <drmarwat_> ActionParsnip: yes 1024 x 768 good enough for me
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> !ati | _2
[10:47] <_2> ActionParsnip i inheireted this.
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> _2: buy a new card for it
[10:48] <_2> lappy
[10:48] <nuxil> g dag all
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> _2: gah
[10:48] <_2> yeah
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> !hi | nuxil
[10:48] <michken1982> hello again
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> wb michken1982
[10:49] <nuxil> howdy ActionParsnip . thanks for the greetings
[10:49] <michken1982> i can't delete windows 2000 with qtparted, its a ntfs
[10:49] <_2> ActionParsnip the vidio the audio and the network are all ati
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> nuxil: np man
[10:49] <nuxil> michken1982, do you want it all gone?
[10:49] <nuxil> :)
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: try running it with kdesu
[10:49] <michken1982> the part of windows yes
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: kdesu qtparted
[10:50] <michken1982> kdesu?
[10:50] <nuxil> !fdisk | michken1982
[10:50] <_2> !kdesu
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: gives the program admin access
[10:50] <michken1982> is it a different program?
[10:50] <nuxil> gui people :p
[10:50] <drmarwat_> i will reboot to see if it works or not
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: if you just run it, you run it as a user, not root
[10:50] <_2> !botsnack | /me needs it.
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: if not, boot to recovery mode
[10:51] <drmarwat_> ok
[10:51] <drmarwat_> brb
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: and copy back the .good file
[10:51] <drmarwat_> ok
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> drmarwat_: always do that with .conf files
[10:51] <nuxil> michken1982, you can also use fdisk
[10:51] <michken1982> oh is that better?
[10:52] <michken1982> kdesu or fdisk
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: whichever you are most comfortable with
[10:52] <_2> michken1982 no   stick with the graphical
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: kdesu only gives you admin rights, its not a program as such
[10:52] <nuxil> michken1982, fdisk is a concole app
[10:53] <_2> nuxil and cfdisk is more M$ convert friendly too
[10:53] <nuxil> michken1982, but if you are not use to console apps.. use a gui one
[10:53] <nuxil> *-use used
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: if your planning on using fdisk / cfdisk then you'll need sudo (e.g. sudo cfdisk)
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: id suggest gui too
[10:54] <michken1982> but  i'm a beginner in linux
[10:54] <mar77i> hi, I have installed ubuntu and installed kubuntu-desktop afterwards. Now I guess with the gnome installation on the other hand there are too many programs installed. How can I check what packages are on a standard kubuntu installation?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> michken1982: then gui would be better
[10:54] <engineer> fdisk ftw
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> !purekde
[10:54] <_2> lol @ engineer
[10:54] <michken1982> whats gui?
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> !gui
[10:55] <_2> michken1982 as opposed to cli
[10:55] <_2> !cli
[10:55] <mar77i> ActionParsnip, great, thx!
[10:55] <nuxil> engineer, ;) i with you on that
[10:55] <mar77i> IOU
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> np mar77i
[10:55] <michken1982> so which gui software can i use for partitions
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> !qtparted
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> !info qtparted
[10:56] <_2> press alt+f2   type in      kdesudo qtparted
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> nice and small too :)
[10:57] <engineer> yeah
[10:57] <_2> heh i recall the days when one would say "that thing's huge, bearly will fit on a floppy disk"
[10:57] <engineer> my screen is small
[10:57] <engineer> and so is qtparted
[10:58] <franc> hi all, is there a french forum for kubuntu thanks
[10:58] <_2> !fr
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> if i have gnome apps and kde apps, how can i tell which are which
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> just to see if i can remove some junk
[11:03] <_2> hmmm start one and look at pstree ?   but that would be slow.
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> _2: yeah thats my point, can I search in some package app in description as most will say gnome
[11:04] <_2> give me a sec, i'm working on it.
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> _2: interesting isnt it
[11:04] <RG-NewGuy> install problems
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> RG-NewGuy: sup?
[11:05] <RG-NewGuy> i'm tring to do a dual boot however windows is on a raid (not sure which type)
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> !raid
[11:07] <_2> ActionParsnip script idea.   for Q in "$@" ;do apt-cache show $Q | grep -q KDE && echo "$Q is a kde app" ||
[11:07] <_2> echo "$Q is not a kde app" ;done
[11:08] <RG-NewGuy> that doesn't seem to help me
[11:08] <RG-NewGuy> the raid is already there/or what shows as a raid
[11:08] <RG-NewGuy> i tried to create a partition via windows of unallocated space
[11:08] <corrado> salve
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> _2: seems sound. Let me wazz it over to my linux box
[11:09] <RG-NewGuy> it only let me free 1gig
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> RG-NewGuy: you'll need to resize the partition then
[11:09] <_2> one could pipe through that,  i can't gurentee it's accuracy.    say you made a script out of that named   is_kde.sh       dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 | is_kde.sh > list      would generate a full list of all packages
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> RG-NewGuy: or reinstall windows with better partition planning
[11:09] <_2> err wait can't pipe into it....
[11:09] <_2> i'll write a script and pastebin it.
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> sweet man, yer a start
[11:10] <RG-NewGuy> great windows screws me over again(no windows disk)
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> *star
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> RG-NewGuy: buy a 2nd hard drive, they are cheap
[11:10] <RG-NewGuy> laptop?
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> RG-NewGuy: usb drive
[11:10] <RG-NewGuy> i've got 2 HDD's in it
[11:10] <RG-NewGuy> usb?
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> RG-NewGuy: thats your raid-0 array for speed
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> bet it weighs a bit
[11:11] <RG-NewGuy> Sony Viao 'gamers edition' (pfft what a joke)
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> lappys suck for games for the price
[11:12] <RG-NewGuy> 2 160gig HDD's inside
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> plus sony == $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[11:12] <_2> ActionParsnip give this a whearl   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d9e9b89
[11:13] <RG-NewGuy> i thought it was 1 HDD till i went to install linux and it was showing 2hdds
[11:15] <RG-NewGuy> ActionParsnip, you suggested usb drive
[11:15] <RG-NewGuy> i've got the .iso on a usb drive already
[11:15] <RG-NewGuy> how would that work
[11:15] <RG-NewGuy> put the install disk in? keep my usb plugged in and direct kubuntu towards the usb?
[11:16] <RG-NewGuy> also how much gigs of space would you suggest i have free for kubuntu to run via usb?
[11:16] <_2> ActionParsnip this may be more sain   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d188bbe2e
[11:17] <_2> and sane too maybe
[11:17] <_2> idk
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> _2: just changing CRs, Windows uses different stuff :(
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> _2: testing now
[11:25] <_2> ActionParsnip if you don't like stderr messages   i have  1.0 final release of that script.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6c8430c8
[11:25] <_2> :)))
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> dude i'll email it over cos my stupid widows / putty combo wont play ball
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> easier from local as its a PITA
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> but i massively appreciate your time dude :D
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> thanks tonnes
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> ill no doubt see you in here :D
[11:26] <_2> you bet
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> so ill et you know :D
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> i gotta jet
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> peace out kids
[11:26] <Agent_bob> too late.
[11:58] <Agent_bob> pasting file id_interface.sh
[11:58] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2c4c8bab
[11:59] <condez> hello. i have a question regarding system-config-printer-applet-kde on Ubuntu 8.04; It's the first time i'm using IRC for help. Can i post my question here?
[12:02] <Agent_bob> !ask
[12:02] <Agent_bob> !paste | condez
[12:03] <Agent_bob> pasting file mklable.sh
[12:03] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5a76560a
[12:03] <Agent_bob> and here this will make the nub feel leet  pasting file 1337.sh
[12:03] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2757e547
[12:07] <condez> So, everytime i print something the system-config-printer-applet-kde never closes. I've seen this bug reported in bugs.launchpad.net but without any conclusion to it. I'm using Kubuntu (KDE 3.5.9). I've read that a workaround is to refresh the ducoment in the system-config-printer-applet-kde but it's not a fix. Does anyone now if a fix has been made to address this issue?
[12:17] <Agent_bob> condez idk.
[12:18] <emons> hello, anyone?
[12:22] <Agent_bob> emons
[12:22] <emons> hello
[12:23] <emons> i'm coming here pretty much everyday trying to solve my prob but it seems nobody could... till now, i hope :D
[12:23] <Agent_bob> emons what it is ?
[12:24] <emons> the thing is i have high spees internet connection and with kubuntu it doesn't seem to work fine, it goes SUPER SLOW, with xp it wasnt, it was going super fast, any suggestion?
[12:24] <Agent_bob> emons maybe disable ipv6 ?
[12:25] <emons> i tried but it didnt work
[12:25] <emons> it seems im having some issues because all the internet applications have problems, the instant messenger, the p2p and the browser
[12:26] <Agent_bob> how did you "tried" ?
[12:27] <Agent_bob> file   /etc/modules.conf     line     alias net-pf-10 off           # IPv6
[12:27] <Agent_bob> tried that ^ emons   see does it helps.
[12:30] <emons> this is to set the ipv6 off, i told u i already did that and it didnt work
[12:30] <emons> any other idea?
[12:30] <Pici> emons: Perhaps try asking in #ubuntu as well? Tis a bit more traffic there, more eyes to see your problem.
[12:30] <Pici> Sorry to hear that my suggestion the other day didn't work.
[12:31] <Agent_bob> emons check the reslov.conf ?     run iftop and see what traffic is doing ?      idk.
[12:32] <Agent_bob> emons do you have any firewall or av software in the way ?
[12:32] <emons> i had UFW set but i disabled it thinking it was cuz of it but itz not, cuz i got the same prob with it disabled
[12:33] <Agent_bob> emons  iptables -L
[12:33] <emons> it says iftop is not installed do u think theres some other similar program already installed in the repository so i dont have to install that one?
[12:33] <emons> iptables alright one sec
[12:34] <Agent_bob> emons not sure if there is or not.  but iftop is not large.
[12:34] <Agent_bob> !info iftop
[12:34] <emons> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[12:34] <emons> target     prot opt source               destination
[12:34] <emons> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[12:34] <emons> target     prot opt source               destination
[12:34] <emons> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[12:34] <emons> target     prot opt source               destination
[12:34] <emons> here's my iptables
[12:34] <Agent_bob> k no firewall.
[12:34] <emons> told u i disabled it
[12:35] <emons> im downloading and installing iftop in the meanwhile
[12:35] <emons> when i run it thatz what it says
[12:35] <emons> interface: eth0
[12:35] <emons> Unable to get IP address for interface: eth0
[12:35] <emons> ioctl(SIOCGIFADDR): Cannot assign requested address
[12:35] <emons> MAC address is: 00:1a:4d:67:b0:25
[12:35] <emons> pcap_open_live(eth0): socket: Operation not permitted
[12:36] <Agent_bob> emons k.    wireless only ?
[12:36] <emons> so i might have some prob between the wlan0 and eth0 so is it the wireless the matter?
[12:36] <emons> yes only wireless
[12:37] <Agent_bob> emons you might edit /etc/network/interfaces   and comment out the eth section/s
[12:37] <emons> im a curst newbie Agent_bob i dunno how to do that :D sorry could u help? thx
[12:40] <Agent_bob> yeah.   but let me rant a little.    that's the reason that even though you said "i tried that, it didn't work"  i still feel compelled to make sure we are on the same sheet of music.  it's not that i think you are stupid or anything, it's that most people that ask anything in here are newbie and don't know...   so don't get bent out of shape if someone covers the same ground again with you.
[12:40] <Agent_bob> now.