[01:30] <darkxst> jbicha, thats a pretty bad one, breaks the shell for anyone using extensions with custom CSS!
[16:56] <eoferr> Hi, this is a real newbie question, but my HDD seems to be constantly read/writing. Any ideas what processes I should be looking for to deal with this?


[01:17] <rose177> Hey, does anyone know how the ubuntu-touch port for the Oneplus One connects to external display? From everything I've read that phone doesn't support mhl
[01:21] <rose177> i just want to confirm that it actually can connect because otherwise I don't see the point of the port personally..
[01:48] <mariogrip> rose177: It cannot connect to html (mhl, slimport)
[01:48] <mariogrip> but wireless should work
[01:49] <rose177> but all the news articles were saying these two devices(OPO and z1) would showcase convergence.. ugh. Z1 it is then
[01:50] <mariogrip> I don't think z1 has html to
[01:50] <mariogrip> but, it's still a convergence without hdmi
[01:50] <rose177> it has mhl support, or at least that's what I've read
[01:50] <mariogrip> you can use wireless
[01:50] <rose177> but is wireless fast enough to feel like your mouse isn't lagging?
[01:51] <rose177> i mean have you tried it personally?
[01:51] <mariogrip> I haven't, but I heard that they said it was nearly no lag
[01:51] <mariogrip> I have tested miracast with android, and it was no lag there
[01:52] <mariogrip> so, I think it's the same for ubuntu
[01:52] <rose177> well.. i'll wait for someone to review it and post a youtube vid.  I am very excited to hear the OPO has convergence though, it is a way more appealing phone(especially when it comes to support for future roms and such)
[01:52] <mariogrip> Yeah
[01:53] <mariogrip> ls
[01:53] <mariogrip> oops
[04:52] <TheRealJohnGalt> what's the recommended way to disable apparmor on an ubuntu touch install? Or should I just be building without apparmor patches? I believe I'm running into issues running software because of apparmor
[04:57] <TheRealJohnGalt> Also, I see that the OPO is capable of using cm-13 as base ROM, yet hammerhead still can't. What's the reason for this in the build system when it looks like OPO is still using cm-11 repos?
[07:36] <MCMic> Is there any hope of having a KDE connect client on ubuntu touch at some point?
[09:51] <mardy> tvoss: hi! would it be a welcome thing, if I try to put location-service in xenial in sync with 15.04, and thereafter always land them in sync, or if there a specific reason why this cannot/shouldn't happen?
[09:52] <tvoss> mardy, already in progress
[09:52]  * mardy hugs tvoss
[09:53] <mardy> tvoss: if I can help somehow, please let me know
[09:54] <tvoss> mardy, testing of https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1104 on current phone is appreciated
[10:22] <rap> hey is there a way to test the phone in an x86 vm on a pc?
[10:22] <rap> or do in need to flash
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> rap: there is an ubuntu touch emulator
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> rap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[10:26] <faenil> bregma: ping, Libertine, I got container running (don't know why, but it runs now...) but trying to launch gedit does nothing
[10:47] <rap> lotuspsychje: thanks, will give it a spin
[11:54] <bregma> faenil, check to make sure the packages from Silo 58 are installed, and not superseded by a newer version from the archives (particularly the qtmir-desktop package)
[11:54] <faenil> ok
[11:54] <bregma> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-058
[11:55] <faenil> bregma: yep that's what happened
[11:55] <bregma> it hard to keep those packages up-to-date with respect to the archive
[11:55] <bregma> moving target
[11:55] <bregma> hopefully resolved soon
[11:57] <faenil> bregma: should I pin those packages? or?
[11:58] <bregma> faenil, for now that's the easiest way to go
[11:58] <faenil> ok
[12:05] <faenil> bregma: and what is the solution that is coming "soon" instead?
[12:05] <nik90> mpt, kenvandine, Hi, for the new VPN page, what's the rationale for moving the cancel/save to the bottom of the page? It breaks the system pattern of having it at the top. On going into the add vpn page just to take a look, I didn't know how to go back.
[12:05] <faenil> nik90: well spotted
[12:06] <faenil> (I haven't tried the VPN thingie yet :) )
[12:06] <bregma> faenil, those changes need to land in the main code base, then they'll just work out of the box
[12:06] <bregma> maybe for OTA 11
[12:06] <faenil> bregma: of course, haha :)
[12:06] <faenil> ok
[12:07] <faenil> silly question..
[12:08] <bregma> some of the changes include a 5000 line diff, which is taking a while to be reviewed
[12:08] <faenil> hehe
[12:09]  * bregma is thankful it's not in his inbox
[12:11] <faenil> bregma: it doesn't seem to be picking up my pin...mmm
[12:13] <bregma> faenil, what is prompting for your PIN?
[12:13] <faenil> 500, default
[12:13] <faenil> the pin-priority
[12:14] <bregma> oh, OK, I though you meant something was prompting for your password
[12:14] <bregma> overload ambiguity
[12:15] <bregma> I pinned mine at 1002, because on the phone the overlay is pinned at 1000 and wanted mine turned up to 11
[12:17] <faenil> bregma: I did the same, but apt-cache still shows 500
[12:18] <faenil> Package: *
[12:18] <faenil> Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ci-train-ppa-service-ubuntu-landing-058-xenial
[12:18] <faenil> Pin-Priority: 1002
[12:18] <bregma> faenil, did you rerun apt-cache update?
[12:18] <faenil> apt-get update you mean
[12:18] <faenil> (yes)
[12:19] <jibel> faenil, did you try Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ci-train-ppa-service-landing-058
[12:19] <jibel> without the -xenial
[12:19] <faenil> yes
[12:20] <faenil> but I'll try again...
[12:20] <jibel> faenil, and without the ubuntu-
[12:20] <faenil> jibel: confirmed, no change without -xenial, let's see without ubuntu
[12:21] <faenil> jibel: no xenial and no ubuntu worked, thanks
[12:22] <faenil> jibel: all the examples online of course don't show this :D
[12:23] <jibel> faenil, which exmaple?
[12:23] <popey> nik90: I agree, i thougt I was stuck in the vpn page because there was no back button at the top
[12:23] <faenil> jibel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[12:23] <popey> nik90: wanna file a bug?
[12:23] <nik90> popey, I will create one now
[12:23] <popey> thanks
[12:24] <faenil> jibel: but maybe I just misremember the name I used when add-apt-repository'ing the ppa ;)
[12:28] <faenil> bregma: now "exec: Xmir: not found"
[12:29] <faenil> in gedit log
[12:30] <faenil> bregma: gedit working after manually installing xmir
[12:30] <faenil> (add to instructions?)
[12:31] <faenil> (or better, dependencies)
[12:31] <bregma> faenil, xmir should be pulled in by the libertine-tools package (which is a depdendency of libertine)
[12:31]  * bregma goes to check the depdendency chain
[12:31] <nik90> popey, faenil: I notice another issue. Deleting a vpn is by swiping left ... instead of the traditional swipe right which the UITK recommends.
[12:32] <popey> oof
[12:32] <bregma> faenil, evidently the depndency is not there
[12:32] <popey> good spot
[12:32] <faenil> bregma: hehe
[12:33] <bregma> faenil, technically, Libertine does not depend on XMir, it only needs it to work under Unity 8 (it will work fine under Unity 7 without XMir), we'll need to figure out the proper dependencies
[12:34] <bregma> mean time, yeah, add to instructions
[12:34] <faenil> bregma: ok ;)
[12:37] <faenil> bregma: sometimes apps don't run at all, I have to kill and run again
[12:37] <faenil> until it eventually runs
[12:38] <bregma> faenil, I suspect LXC but whatever the cause, it's woth reporting as a bug and attaching logs from ~/.cache/upstart if possible
[12:39]  * bregma suspects LXC because LXC is suspect
[12:39] <faenil> lol
[12:40] <bregma> unless you're using a chroot container, in which case just open a bug
[12:40] <nik90> popey, faenil: bug 1558531 bug 1558530 bug 1558533
[12:41] <faenil> bregma: using lxc now, nothing in gedit log when it doesn't run
[12:42] <bregma> I wonder if it has something to do with multiple application instance?  The bug investigator will find out.
[12:44] <faenil> bregma: but what log should I report, given that there's no debug in gedit log when it doesn't run?
[12:44] <bregma> faenil, I would add the unity8.log
[12:44] <faenil> ok, let's see what that says
[12:45] <bregma> it's the catch-all for app launch problems
[12:45] <faenil> nothing special there
[12:45] <faenil> just app requesting focus
[12:46] <faenil> bregma: it doesn't matter how long I wait, it works exactly ever other attempt
[12:46] <faenil> one fail, one success
[12:46] <bregma> huh
[12:47] <ahayzen> nik90, do you think you should add ubuntu-ux to some of those bugs ?
[12:47] <faenil> definitely nik90
[12:48] <nik90> ahayzen, I don't think so since it breaks already defined UX pattern set by the SDK.
[12:48] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah, it just depends if this code was built to match the design ...
[12:49] <nik90> ahayzen, true..alrite I will add them to the reports.
[12:50] <faenil> bregma: what package do you want me to report the bug to?
[12:50] <faenil> is there a libertine repo?
[12:51] <bregma> faenil, https://bugs.launchpad.net/libertine/+filebug
[12:51] <faenil> ah ok :) thanks
[12:51] <bregma> if the problem is somewhere else, the bug will get redirected
[12:51] <faenil> yeah
[12:53] <nik90> ahayzen, done
[12:53] <ahayzen> nik90, thanks :-)
[13:03] <faenil> bregma: after a deeper look, unity8 log actually shows an error, I reported the bug
[13:03] <faenil> noooooooooo
[13:03] <faenil> launchpad timed out
[13:03] <faenil> and the bug report is lost??
[13:03] <faenil> Timeout Error :O
[13:05] <faenil> nothing, doesn't let me
[13:05] <faenil> argh :(
[13:05] <faenil> long report gone...
[13:05]  * faenil --> lunch
[13:05] <seb128> faenil, doing "previous" in the browser usually work...
[13:05] <seb128> well at least in firefox
[13:05] <kenvandine> nik90, the design called for a dialog, but our sdk dialogs really don't work well for this type of thing
[13:05] <kenvandine> so jgdx created a custom dialog that would
[13:06] <nik90> kenvandine, I would argue that dialogs are also incorrect for this kind of stuff...considering that address-book, clock-app, messaging-app etc (all core-apps) use a new page to create stuff.
[13:06] <nik90> the SDK dialogs are basically meant to be used for yes/no confirmation...
[13:07] <kenvandine> agreed
[13:07] <nik90> creating a VPN with so many options is definitely outside the dialog scope.
[13:07] <kenvandine> but many of the designs we get for system settings do this
[13:07] <kenvandine> right
[13:07] <kenvandine> they are terrible
[13:07] <nik90> kenvandine, then there is a contradiction in system-settings app design and other apps design which is not good for the platform.
[13:08] <kenvandine> nik90, thx for the bug reports!
[13:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, nik90 filed a few bugs for vpn :)
[13:08] <nik90> ur welcome :)
[13:09] <jgdx> nik90, kenvandine, yeah—I saw. Thanks!
[13:09] <nik90> ah its jgdx..I was looking for the irc nick for jonas to ping him about this issue earlier :)
[13:09] <kenvandine> nik90, that's ok... i'm a suitable proxy :)
[13:09] <ahayzen> if it was a dialog would it not have a X and Tick as the actions ?
[13:13] <ogra_> hmm, so whats the purpose of the new calendar bits in indicator-datetime ?
[13:13] <nik90> ahayzen, SDK dialogs don't have x and tick ...afaik. Although it would be good to add them.
[13:13] <nik90> ogra_, I'm hoping that clicking on a date will show the calendar events for that date
[13:13] <ogra_> tapping a date only makes the number bigger .... are there any features planned ?
[13:13] <ahayzen> nik90, i was thinking like one of the clock pages used to be... so instead of < for 'back' you use 'X'
[13:13] <nik90> + just see what day of the week it is
[13:13] <jgdx> nik90, yeah talk to ken about all my issues :P
[13:13] <ogra_> yeah
[13:14] <nik90> ahayzen, ah yes..we did use "X" at one point. But UX decided to remove that pattern.
[13:14] <ahayzen> yeah, but for a dialog the \/ or X would sortof make sense i guess
[13:14] <nik90> ogra_, but I see your point...as of now, the calendar bits do nothing useful for OTA-10.
[13:15] <ogra_> yep
[13:16] <mardy> tvoss: I'm trying silo 77, it looks like apps which are not authorized to use the location service don't cause a trust store prompt
[13:16] <jgdx> nik90, did vpn work for you though? Despite the ui
[13:16] <mardy> tvoss: though I'm not sure whether this is a regression, I need tro try with a vanilla rc image
[13:17] <mardy> tvoss: FTR, the log says:
[13:17] <mardy> I0317 15:15:12.724977  3667 skeleton.cpp:110] void com::ubuntu::location::service::Skeleton::handle_create_session_for_criteria(const Ptr&)
[13:17] <mardy> E0317 15:15:12.730592  3667 skeleton.cpp:180] Error creating session: Client lacks permissions to access the service with the given criteria
[13:18] <nik90> jgdx, I don't have a vpn to test :/ .. I saw popey post that he is using it with his vpn.
[13:19] <popey> jgdx: worked for me
[13:19] <jgdx> popey, good stuff.
[13:19] <popey> connected to canonical vpn
[13:19] <popey> nice work!
[13:19] <nik90> jgdx, https://plus.google.com/+AlanPope/posts/JBifVHc4qHr
[13:19] <popey> I just copied over the config and went through the fields mirroring the ones on my laptop
[13:19] <popey> worked first time
[13:19] <jgdx> that's great news. pete-woods ^
[13:21] <pete-woods> :D
[13:22] <pete-woods> popey: word of warning, though, openvpn chews battery without HW acceleration of the TLS bits (which we don't have)
[13:22] <pete-woods> so don't leave it on all the time
[13:22] <popey> Interesting!
[13:22] <popey> pffft! That sounds like a challenge :)
[13:22] <pete-woods> :D
[13:23] <nik90> pete-woods, I have noticed similar battery issue with Wifi Hotspot.
[13:23] <pete-woods> that's for a different reason
[13:23] <pete-woods> we hold a wakelock when hotspot it enabled
[13:23] <pete-woods> so the phone will never go into deep sleep
[13:23] <pete-woods> *is
[13:23] <nik90> oh ok
[13:24] <pete-woods> NM / wpa supplicant doesn't have an understanding of our power management model
[13:24] <nik90> I do think that usb-tether should be relatively better when it is implemented
[13:24] <pete-woods> so the best we can do is to hold a wakelock in the upper level (the network indicator)
[13:24] <nik90> hmm
[13:25] <pete-woods> I guess ideally there should be a way to put the wifi driver into a low power usage mode
[13:25] <pete-woods> but that's a lot of work, and there really aren't many / any people available to work on it with the right skills
[13:25] <pete-woods> certainly it's way out of my skillset
[13:26] <nik90> fair enough..I understand there are other more critical issues to get to.
[13:27] <ahayzen> maybe there should be a warning or info to tell the user the first time they turn on a hotspot/vpn that it will affect battery life
[14:28] <faenil> bregma: worked now! \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/libertine/+bug/1558588
[14:28] <faenil> seb128: not really, Previous sends me to "Input a title" page, in Nightly Firefox
[14:29] <faenil> seb128: but I kept doing "F5 + Send again" until it worked :)
[14:29] <seb128> faenil, if you put one, is the text lost?
[14:29] <seb128> k
[14:29] <seb128> I was going to suggest that a refresh might work
[14:29] <faenil> :)
[14:30] <faenil> I went out for lunch, then back, and now it works, so I didn't waste my time :D
[14:31] <bregma> faenil, is the libertine stuff stable enough to get some design review feedback on the UI?
[14:32] <faenil> bregma: yeah I think so, the UI can use some love :D
[14:49] <ChrisTownsend> faenil: I've been working on improving the UI, making more use of popups and getting rid of a few pages that are cumbersome.
[14:59] <faenil> ChrisTownsend: oki
[14:59] <faenil> ChrisTownsend: also, should this just be part of the store? why do we have a separate UI for it?
[15:01] <ChrisTownsend> faenil: Well, I wasn't involved in the initial design of Libertine (bregma was though) and this is what they came up with.  Personally, I wouldn't think managing containers and the such would be something we would want in the store.
[15:03] <faenil> ChrisTownsend: it looks like something the user shouldn't have to go through...
[15:03] <bregma> faenil, we do not want legacy X11 applications in the store
[15:04] <faenil> bregma: just asked John to confirm, from a user pov there should be no difference
[15:04] <popey> mhall119: it says I should install a bunch of dependncies, I'm on 16.04 amd64 and it can't install mingw32 (which is listed in the apt-get line)
[15:05] <mhall119> is there a mingw or mingw64?
[15:05] <mhall119> if not, you may have to install mingw32:i386
[15:05] <bregma> faenil, apps in the store do not get reviewed, we do not want arbitrary password-stealing X11 apps in the store
[15:06] <mhall119> I see others that are forced to use :i386
[15:06] <mhall119> popey: but, make a note of that :)
[15:06]  * mhall119 thought you were on the repo sync step already
[15:06] <popey> yeah, i made a note and moved on
[15:07] <faenil> bregma: how is that different from the Unity7 app store we have toda?
[15:07] <faenil> today*
[15:09] <bregma> faenil, we do not have a Unity 7 app store, we have the Software Centre which front-ends the Ubuntu archives, where each and every package has been manually reviewed and approved
[15:10] <faenil> bregma: correct...
[15:10] <mhall119> even when we did have a desktop app store, everything was manually reviewed
[15:10] <mhall119> and it was awful
[15:10] <faenil> bregma: is it not the plan to use Libertine to package those same apps as snaps?
[15:10] <bregma> if something gets repackaged as a snap, it doesn't need Libertine any more
[15:11] <bregma> Liberttine is for those old X11 things that are only still available as debs
[15:11] <bregma> we plan to make Libertine itself a snap
[15:11] <faenil> bregma: so, using Libertine, those same apps should be brought to the store, right?
[15:11] <popey> faenil: they'd be silo'd though, which they never were in unity 7 store
[15:12] <faenil> popey: correct
[15:13] <bregma> faenil, things using Libertine and things in the store should be a disjoint set
[15:13] <faenil> popey: from what I understood from John, this should be transparent to the user and there should only be one store. All the apps are coming from universe, so they're reviewed etc
[15:13] <faenil> bregma: that's not what I was told
[15:13] <faenil> as in, that shouldn't be the case from the user POV
[15:14] <faenil> the user goes to the store, and installs Gedit, which has been reviewed etc because it comes from universe. The user shouldn't have to deal with containers, he should just get gedit working :)
[15:15] <ogra_> what makes you think things in universe get "reviewed" ? (there is a license review when a package gets its first upload to the archive, thats about it)
[15:15] <ChrisTownsend> faenil: For gedit to work like that, then it should be made to just work without Libertine.
[15:15] <bregma> faenil, that sounds like a nice design... it hasn't been communicated to anyone actually doing the work, as far as I know
[15:15] <faenil> ogra_: that would still be no different from what we have today
[15:16] <mhall119> ogra_: ubuntu developers still review Universe packages don't they?
[15:16] <mhall119> they are the gatekeepers
[15:16] <ogra_> mhall119, usually only on first upload
[15:16] <mhall119> I assume debian developers have a process too, no?
[15:16] <ogra_> and often enough not at all simply because they get imported from debian
[15:17] <bregma> it might be possible for the Ubuntu Store app to find stuff in the archives and use Libertine to install it into its own container, all invisibly to the user, but I haven't yet seen that in the project plans
[15:17] <bregma> technically, it's doable and I don;t think it would have any additional security problems
[15:17] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: No, never has something like that ever been communicated to us.
[15:17] <JohnLea__> bregma; Hyia!
[15:17] <ogra_> every subsequent upload to the very first one is totally in the hands of the uploader then though
[15:18] <faenil> bregma: yes, that's what I think is the plan
[15:18] <mhall119> ogra_: but the uploaded is still someone trusted, isn't it?
[15:18] <JohnLea__> bregma; re. X apps they need to be in the same store as the other apps.
[15:18] <mhall119> It's not like I can just start pushing random code directly or indirectly into Ubuntu's archives without it going through someone else
[15:19] <JohnLea__> bregma; faenil just looping me into the conversation
[15:19] <ogra_> mhall119, well, it has to be someone from the ubuntu-dev team ... but any package in the snap store definitely gets way more reviewing than a deb in universe
[15:19] <faenil> :D
[15:19] <mhall119> JohnLea__: when you say "store" are you speaking of the desktop/phone client or the server?
[15:19] <bregma> it would have to be the client
[15:20] <mhall119> ogra_: the snap store gets human reviews?
[15:20] <JohnLea__> mhall119; I'm speaking about the 'Store' scope that is used by U8 phone, tablet, desktop today
[15:20]  * mhall119 wonders what happened to the idea of an aggregating store scope that could have multiple sources
[15:20] <JohnLea__> mhall119; so that from a user POV all the apps they can install are in the same place, can be searched together, etc...
[15:21] <ogra_> mhall119, the snap store gets automated review that doesnt exist for the archive
[15:22] <ogra_> mhall119, the only automation that happens for archive packages is the check for installability
[15:22] <mhall119> ogra_: right, which brings us back around to the initial comment that you don't want X11 apps being uploaded by untrusted parties if they only get automated review
[15:22] <ogra_> there is no check of the content ... while in the snap store there is
[15:22] <JohnLea__> mhall119; I don't mind how it's done under the hood, the Store could be adapted to point to another source as well.  That was part of the whole point of scopes, wasn't it ;-)
[15:22] <bregma> So, to make this really rock we would need to work with whoever it is who maintains the Ubuntu Store app and put a plan in place to integrate deb archive scanning and libertine container installation and pass that by the security and architectural reviews, then schedule it for landing in an appropriate release
[15:22] <bregma> all doable
[15:22] <mhall119> JohnLea__: that was my understanding, but it didn't get implemented that way
[15:22] <bregma> not by me, I'm on vacation right now
[15:23] <ogra_> mhall119, as long as XMir is a requirement that should be fine
[15:23] <ogra_> since your X121 will be wrapped then
[15:23] <ogra_> *X11
[15:23]  * bregma is waiting for X121 to be released
[15:23] <ogra_> haha
[15:23] <mhall119> ogra_: if you're running your desktop on Mir/Unity8 yes, if you're running your desktop on Xorg/Unity7 no
[15:24] <ogra_> mhall119, well, i guess the security team has some views on that :)
[15:24] <mhall119> even with Unity8, though, I think all XMir apps will share the same confinement container,so they can still spy on eachother
[15:24] <mcphail> So, is the plan to have a single "Libertine" app contained in a .click, and all X apps would be able to see and share access to the same files/directories as each other (but remain isolated from other .click apps), or have 1 confinement zone per X app?
[15:25] <mcphail> because gedit is going to suck if it can't see any files
[15:26] <faenil> bregma: sorry, didn't know you were on vacation!
[15:27] <dobey> mhall119: they will be different X servers though, so they can't poke at X atoms and such
[15:27] <popey> mcphail: it will be able to see ~/.config/gedit/accels !
[15:27] <bregma> mcphail, Libertine is just a tool for creating and managing the X11 confinement containers, thngs like data sharing involves many more systems
[15:27] <dobey> anyway, i need to get lunch
[15:27] <dobey> bregma: and i guess i am that person to talk to (maintainer of store scope)
[15:28] <bregma> dobey, excellent, at least I have a name
[15:28] <dobey> anyway, enjoy your vacation
[15:29] <bregma> I'll try to put together a project plan next week when I get back, if we can get some concrete guidance from design we can point to so we can justify the resources
[15:29] <bregma> JohnLea__ ^^
[15:30] <jdstrand> mhall119: re xmir unity8-- I keep hearing different things. last I heard, it was a separate xmir for each
[15:30] <jdstrand> as for unity7, we do have opinions on that
[15:30] <jdstrand> and so do others
[15:30] <bregma> it's a separate XMir instance for each running app
[15:30] <jdstrand> yeas, there you go
[15:30] <jdstrand> bregma: thanks
[15:30] <bregma> that much is not going to change
[15:31] <jdstrand> cool
[15:31] <jdstrand> mhall119, JohnLea__: were you discussing X snaps in the context of unity7 or something else?
[15:32] <bregma> it's possible to have a separate container for each app, but your disk will fill up pretty quickly and if you live where I live, your bandwidth cost will put you in the poor house
[15:32] <ogra_> unity7 and which store they should come from
[15:33] <jdstrand> these are all questions that have answers but I'm not sure where
[15:44] <JohnLea__> mhall119; I was discussing X snaps only in the context of U8 (not in the context of U7)
[15:47] <mterry> pitti: I'm trying to get all greens on a silo's autopkg tests.  But I'm seeing some weird blockages on amd64 creating nova instances.  Like: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu  -- have you seen that before?
[15:48] <popey> davidcalle: repo sync finished :)
[15:50] <davidcalle> popey: Lucky, I guess what I used (not ubports obviously) synced for every existing android version.
[15:52] <pitti> mterry: yeah, plenty; this is either building a new VM after building the package, or the previous test run tempfailed and it's retrying
[15:53] <mterry> pitti: ok, so it will go away on it's own it sounds.  Thanks!  Got worried it was borked
[15:53] <popey> mhall119: got to the make step, but wary of running is because I know I don't have mingw32
[15:54] <popey> will try mingw-w64 as a test though
[16:05] <popey> mhall119: build failed after 11 seconds, following that guide - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408302/
[16:10] <ogra_> could be worse ... (could have failed after 11h instead)
[16:12] <popey> I'd be fine with that :)
[16:12] <popey> my toes are cold
[16:14]  * genii throws some electrically heated slippers at popey
[16:15] <blu> hi guys. I just got an aquaris e5 with ubuntu, looks fun. Whats the preferred email app atm?
[16:15] <ogra_> dekko
[16:16] <ogra_> (will be shipped by default with the next OTA)
[16:16] <mhall119> mariogrip: ^^ popey was following your build instructions for the OPO, but it failed because he couldn't install mingw32 on his amd64 host, can you help him find a solution and update the wiki with it?
[16:16] <blu> orga, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=dekko&op= ?
[16:17] <mhall119> blu: that's the old desktop app store, not the one for phone
[16:17] <mariogrip> popey: you don't need mingw32
[16:17] <blu> is there one for the phone viewable by browsers?
[16:17] <ogra_> https://uappexplorer.com/app/dekko.dekkoproject
[16:18] <blu> ah thanks orga
[16:18] <mhall119> blu: ^^ that one
[16:18] <popey> mariogrip: ok. the build fails very quickly
[16:18] <mariogrip> popey: what does it say?
[16:18] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408302/
[16:19]  * mhall119 hopes popey is still taking notes of these problems
[16:20] <popey> what's pastebin if not a note taker ㋛
[16:20] <mariogrip> popey: did you download all those devices?
[16:20] <popey> mariogrip: I pasted the exact commands listed at https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Building-ubports-source
[16:21] <mariogrip> oh ok, then it seems like cm has updated there roomservice scripts
[16:23] <mariogrip> popey: now it should be fixed, do repo sync again
[16:23] <mhall119> mariogrip: is there any documentation on how somebody can you the setup you have on wiki2.ubports.com to start working on a new device port?
[16:23] <mhall119> "can use" not "can you
[16:23] <mhall119> "
[16:24]  * mhall119 inserts more coffee to make the brain catch up
[16:24]  * popey repo syncs
[16:24] <mariogrip> mhall119: Not on wiki2 yet
[16:25] <mariogrip> popey: it was missing the kernel from manifest, I'm preparing to move devices to separate manifest
[16:26] <mariogrip> mhall119: I'm testing the "autoporter" now with oneplus x
[16:26] <mariogrip> I got the opx delivered today
[16:28] <popey> nice device, isn't it?
[16:28] <mariogrip> Yeah, it's beautiful
[16:31] <popey> so this is why my previous repo sync was so fast, huh? :)
[16:32] <mariogrip> maybe :)
[16:34] <mcphail> I'm sure a few of us have spare RaspPis lying around. Would anyone be interested in setting up a distcc network for ARM compiling? Might make phone development a bit quicker...
[16:34] <mariogrip> oh... ran the "autoporter" on the oneplus x 20 mins ago, this happen "make completed successfully"
[16:38] <popey> \o/ building
[16:39] <popey> hah, failed, 26 seconds in
[16:39] <mariogrip> log?
[16:39] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408516/
[16:40] <popey> missing google test package?
[16:48] <mariogrip> popey: I think you can remove gtest
[16:48] <mariogrip> I haven't seen that error before
[16:55] <popey> mariogrip: how do you mean "remove gtest"?
[16:55] <mariogrip> just remove the external/gtest folder
[16:57] <popey> ok, thanks
[16:58] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408646
[17:00] <mariogrip> humm, it seems to be missing something, give me a minute to check
[17:00] <mariogrip> popey: install sudo apt-get install gcc-4.9-multilib g++-4.9-multilib
[17:06] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408706
[17:08] <popey> mariogrip: that's after installing the 4.9 multilib stuff
[17:10] <mariogrip> oh sorry, you need 4.8
[17:10] <mterry> pitti: another autopkg test question.  When I try to restart a couple failures in vivid, I'm seeing "You submitted an invalid request: Package unity8 does not have any test results" -- is that good (there's really no failure after all) or bad (autopkg test is lost)?
[17:12] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408765
[17:14] <mariogrip> popey: did you install all this?  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pKl0bhuW/
[17:14] <popey> mariogrip: i installed what the page told me to
[17:14] <popey> :)
[17:14]  * popey tries again
[17:15] <popey> hm, it's pulling in more stuff
[17:15] <popey> thanks mariogrip
[17:15] <mariogrip> popey: np :)
[17:17] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408801/ :)
[17:17] <mariogrip> repo sync
[17:18] <popey> ok
[17:19] <popey> better
[17:19] <mariogrip> :)
[17:19] <popey> :)
[17:19] <popey> 53 seconds!
[17:20] <mariogrip> oh
[17:20] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408825
[17:22] <mariogrip> popey: what's in device/oneplus/bacon/init?
[17:24] <popey> mariogrip: Android.mk and init_bacon.c
[17:24] <mariogrip> do mmm device/oneplus/bacon/init
[17:26] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408868
[17:27] <mariogrip> popey: humm, that's wired
[17:28] <mariogrip> lol i ment weird
[17:29] <mariogrip> popey: if you want, i can send the 5.1 images
[17:29] <popey> That's not the goal :)
[17:29] <mariogrip> oki :=)
[17:29] <popey> The goal in me doing this is to prove it can be done.
[17:29] <popey> If all of our documentation is "wrong" or doesn't "work" then porting will never get popular.
[17:30] <mariogrip> popey: yeah, true!
[17:30] <popey> So I approached this as a "newb" just pasting the commands in to see what works and what doesn't
[17:30] <mariogrip> well, we don't really need libbacon so I may as well remove it
[17:30] <dobey> the documentation definitely needs some love
[17:30] <mariogrip> yeah
[17:31] <mariogrip> mhall119 is going crazy changing his nick
[17:31] <ogra_> that is what working for canoical does to you ...
[17:31] <mariogrip> changing nicks on irc :P
[17:36] <mariogrip> popey: fixed, do repo sync
[17:36] <mariogrip> welcome back mhall119
[17:37] <popey> thanks mariogrip
[17:37] <mhall119> sorry guys :(
[17:38] <mariogrip> yey, new ubuntu podcast :D
[17:41] <popey> 45 seconds
[17:41] <mariogrip> getting closer
[17:42] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408983
[17:43] <mariogrip> popey: remove the TARGET_INIT_VENDOR_LIB := libinit_msm_oppo line from device/oppo/common/BoardConfigCommon.mk
[17:45] <popey> ok
[17:46] <popey> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15409015
[17:56] <mariogrip> popey: I have to leave for an hour or two, is it ok if I fix it when im back?
[17:56] <popey> mariogrip: of course!
[17:57] <mariogrip> Thanks!
[18:31] <pitti> mterry: ah, that's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1544917
[18:31] <pitti> mterry: need to refine that check
[20:53] <taiebot> mm rc-proposed looks like rotating a  full screen video on youtube does not work anymore. Instead of resizing you end up with a half video half white screen.
[21:00] <dobey> eh?
[21:01] <dobey> taiebot: works fine here on mako
[21:02] <taiebot> dobey: I am on mako did you make sure the video is fullscreen?
[21:03] <dobey> oh now it broke when i rotated back
[21:03] <taiebot> dobey: do you want me to write a bug report?
[21:03] <dobey> taiebot: yeah you should
[21:04] <dobey> also pulling the indicators down "fixes" it
[21:04] <dobey> oh apparently i somehow magically switched tabs, and the video kept playing
[21:10] <taiebot> dobey: that always happened switching tab does not close off the video is it a bug i thought that was a feature
[21:13] <taiebot> #1558792
[21:13] <taiebot> sorry 1558792
[21:23] <dobey> i'd say it's a bug; but i personally think the whole tabs interface is not great
[21:50] <TenLeftFingers> I'm curious about why bug 1377996 isn't getting prioritised for this OTA. Am I the only one having difficulty making/receiving calls because of this issue?
[22:05] <taiebot> When are those beautiful scopes will land ? http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5ubuntu/summary.html
[22:06] <asdfjklsemicolon> I know it's not technically supported, but I'm having some trouble with my Nexus 5 running Ubuntu Touch. I don't think it's charging. I left it plugged in for hours but it stays at 0% and dies with very little use.
[22:07] <asdfjklsemicolon> I'm using the ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 branch because that's the only one that works well. Haven't tried the proposed version of it but I've tried every other branch.
[22:09] <asdfjklsemicolon> I've tried googling my problems but I can't seem to find anything.
[22:12] <taiebot> Is the price right for the meizu pro 5 ubuntu version ? 370 US dollar? or £260 makes it is almost 1/3 cheaper than the android version on amazon
[22:13] <asdfjklsemicolon> I'm assuming that they're using different internal parts. I doubt that they'll have a fingerprint reader, which will cut down on cost
[22:13] <asdfjklsemicolon> although not sure about 1/3
[22:14] <taiebot> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Meizu-Exynos-21-16MP-3050mAh-Smartphone/dp/B0188XQEBE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1458252551&sr=8-5&keywords=meizu+pro5 vs http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5ubuntu/summary.html
[22:15] <asdfjklsemicolon> Yeah I don't doubt you about them being 1/3 the cost, I'm just not sure if cutting out a fingerprint reader will bring it down.
[22:15] <asdfjklsemicolon> Maybe they're using a cheaper GPU or something.
[22:16] <taiebot> I do think it is exactly the same product with just ubuntu on it. They might reduce their margins
[22:19] <taiebot> or i will have to pay the 20% and 10% delivery on it which might bring it back to amazon price
[22:20] <taiebot> sorry 20% tax
[22:21] <asdfjklsemicolon> That's if you live in an area with tax.
[22:21] <asdfjklsemicolon> Maybe import tariffs.
[22:32] <asdfjklsemicolon> Anybody got any ideas on the battery not charging?
[22:32] <asdfjklsemicolon> It's a Nexus 5 so I can't take it out and charge it elsewhere.
[22:40] <taiebot> Are you charging through USB port?
[22:40] <taiebot> you should not use USB through pc but via the main charger
[22:40] <asdfjklsemicolon> Yeah I'm going through the main charger
[22:41] <taiebot> Ok that 's weird
[22:41] <asdfjklsemicolon> I was able to put it into recovery mode and the screen is staying on longer than it was booted into Ubuntu so I'm assuming that it's charging
[22:42] <taiebot> what about if it s completely off?
[22:42] <asdfjklsemicolon> Then the LED indicator blinks red for a couple of minutes and then it turns back on
[22:43] <asdfjklsemicolon> plugged in the whole time, ofc. If I unplug it, then it stops blinking
[22:44] <taiebot> mm red blinking indicate it is completely out of juice which is not good
[22:47] <asdfjklsemicolon> Yeah I'm leaving it on recovery for a little bit hoping that it'll charge enough to at least try the proposed branch. If that doesn't work I might have to go back to Android just due to needing to be able to power the thing.
[22:48] <taiebot> do leave it on a wall charger for at least 30 min
[22:49] <asdfjklsemicolon> That's the general plan
[22:50] <asdfjklsemicolon> I hope that I didn't fry the battery entirely
[22:51] <taiebot> my nexus 4 is still going strong and has had few battery drain where it took more than 10 min before coming back to life
[22:52] <asdfjklsemicolon> That's inspiring
[22:55] <asdfjklsemicolon> Apparently the Ubuntu Meizu Pro 5 will be sold on jd.com, per the Ubuntu blog. They already sell Android versions of it, for 500
[22:55] <asdfjklsemicolon> USD
[22:56] <asdfjklsemicolon> Perhaps Canonical is subsidizing it to drive growth?
[23:00] <asdfjklsemicolon> Do we even know when it's coming out? Or is it just Soon(tm)?
[23:04] <NwS> asdfjklsemicolon, this month
[23:04] <NwS> $380
[23:05] <NwS> $370*
[23:05] <k1l_> getting cheaper every minute? ;p
[23:05] <asdfjklsemicolon> NwS, do you have a source on that information?
[23:06] <NwS> k1l_, :P
[23:06] <NwS> asdfjklsemicolon, they said so on MWC
[23:06] <NwS> mid to end this month
[23:06] <asdfjklsemicolon> They also say that you can pre-order it now, which you can't do.
[23:08] <NwS> asdfjklsemicolon, you can enter their email list :P
[23:10] <asdfjklsemicolon> That's not a pre-order though. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pre-order it because pre-ordering is stupid, but I think that they should at least make it available for pre-order if they say they are going to.
[23:10] <NwS> Well true
[23:12] <asdfjklsemicolon> taiebot, I waited the half hour and rebooted. Red blinking LED. I think the battery might be toasted.
[23:41] <mariogrip> popey: u still here?
[23:43] <n1cky> mariogrip: struggling to get the nexus 6 to build
[23:43] <mariogrip> n1cky: where you stuck?
[23:43] <n1cky> mariogrip: what compiler are you using? I'm on xenial
[23:44] <mariogrip> im on xenial to
[23:44] <mariogrip> probably same as you
[23:48] <n1cky> maybe my repo didn't check out properly
[23:48] <n1cky> when I source build/envsetup, I don't get a bunch of boards
[23:48] <n1cky> I get exactly two, but I thought that was expected.
[23:49] <n1cky> I added device/moto/shamu and such, following the official guide for new ports
[23:49] <n1cky> but I get an issue building kernel/moto/shamu/kernel/sched/core.c
[23:50] <n1cky> using the same kernel you linked to a while ago
[23:50] <n1cky> http://paste.debian.net/416436/
[23:51] <mariogrip> n1cky: It might be because one of my ubuntu kernel config
[23:51] <mariogrip> try to revert this and try to build then https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_moto_shamu/commit/66f64e620873fe401f855fcb398806ffb826813f
[23:51] <mariogrip> but you need the configs, but you don't need all of them


[00:16] <facundobatista> ok
[00:38] <beuno> ok
[01:38]  * mkarnicki calls it a day
[01:38] <mkarnicki> by guys
[01:38] <mkarnicki> I am so f tired -_-
[01:38]  * mkarnicki waves
[01:46] <mkarnicki> beuno: I was about to close my computer, and I thought I'd throw you a link of what ideas around AndroidU1 I have listed before to do in the future (naturally not everything is there, I've beein thinking of bookmark and contacts sync long before) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/specs/UbuntuOneForAndroid wish you good lecture and I'm done for today :)
[01:46]  * mkarnicki waves and drops into his bed
[02:17] <user__> Hi, does anyone know how to delete a registered email address in ubuntu on profile?
[07:54] <kane> Can someone help me with something simple real fast
[07:54] <Guest81180> anyone?
[08:00] <nhaines> Guest81180: it's probably an odd time for the U1 developers.
[08:00] <nhaines> Guest81180: you'll probably have more luck if you say what you need help with.  :)
[11:39] <mkarnicki> later all, I'm off to (last) class
[13:19] <duanedesign> rye: was talking with [k]ermiac about the gnomekeyring.IOerror that we discussed yesterday. He pointed out bug 525642  FWIW
[13:19] <duanedesign> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/525642
[13:25] <rye> hmmm
[13:25] <rye> so it should not have worked w/o the update?..
[14:02] <duanedesign> rye it looks like the bug above is for the daemon not auto starting on kde and xfce
[14:08] <dobey> well i think the idea is that some kde API will provide that same service in the future
[15:43] <Brot1> hello, are there once again problem with the u1 file synchronization? Don't work on two of my machines :-( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/595594
[15:50] <rye> mattgriffin, i believe we will need to post some announcement about file sync performance
[15:52] <Brot1> rye, file sync performance? in my "syncdaemon-exceptions.log" I could find "failure INTERNAL_ERROR". Is this triggered through a timeout?
[15:54] <Brot1> and yes, problem should always be announced if they couldn't get fixed in short time
[16:36] <jblount> Can I get some help poking around the changes to https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/contacts and https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/notes ?
[16:36] <jblount> Just play with them and see if you notice any brokeness
[16:40] <rye> jblount, it looks like you have fixed bug #552501
[16:41] <rye> ubot4, ?
[16:42] <jblount> rye: Yep, it does look like that's fixed :)
[16:46] <duanedesign> ubot is out sick today :P
[17:31] <bigon> ubuntuone seems broken for me :/ it tires to reach an address ' https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/' but gets an https error (503)
[17:31] <bigon> any idea?
[17:58] <beuno> bigon, yes, replication is disabled
[17:58] <beuno> couchdb is working, but it's not replicating with the server
[18:00] <bigon> yesterday I've uploaded a file to the server trough the webinterface and it's still not replicated on my machine is that normal?
[18:01] <beuno> so, file syncing is being upgraded and is rocky at the moment
[18:02] <bigon> oh ok
[20:51] <mkarnicki> hi guys!
[20:51]  * mkarnicki finished this semester classes \o/
[20:52] <mkarnicki> verterok: how's it going my guru :)
[20:52] <verterok> mkarnicki: hi!
[20:52] <verterok> mkarnicki: congrats
[20:52] <mkarnicki> verterok: one optional test, and two exams still, but classes are finally over :)
[21:11] <nhaines> mkarnicki: congrats!  :D
[21:11] <mkarnicki> nhaines: thanks ^ ^
[21:15]  * mkarnicki has pointers from verterok and goes to do the job :)
[22:08] <beuno> wgrant, FWIW, the appserver roll out has been pushed to Mon/Tue, but will include *all* securty fixes


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[09:18] <Nafallo> zZzZ
[09:18] <Nafallo> jpnurmi: det regnar :-(
[09:18] <didrocks> I’m good :p hey Nafallo!
[09:19] <jpnurmi> Nafallo: som vanligt
[09:19] <oSoMoN> I'm doing good, feeling more awake than yesterday at the same time of the day
[09:19] <duflu> Hi Nafallo
[09:19] <Nafallo> hi guys :-)
[09:19] <Nafallo> jpnurmi: well, google säger att det ska snöa i en vecka från imorgon ;-)
[09:20] <Nafallo> I'm starting to think I need to get a properly remote work and relocate somewhere warmer :-P
[09:21] <jpnurmi> Nafallo: hmm, inte enlight yr.no
[09:21] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright
[09:21] <jpnurmi> we're dreaming of retiring to philippines one day in the distant future :)
[09:22] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[09:22] <duflu> Nafallo, it's 30-40 degrees every day here and rained once only since December. Be careful what you wish for
[09:23] <Nafallo> duflu: but you have poisonous critters everywhere instead? :-D
[09:23] <duflu> Yeah watch out for the drop bears
[09:23] <Nafallo> I'm pretty sure I rather get wet than dead :-P
[09:24] <duflu> Last time anyone died from a venomous spider here was the 1980s I think
[09:24] <duflu> Don't quote me on that
[09:25] <Nafallo> excluding tourists? oh wait... pandemic :-P
[09:26] <Nafallo> but yeah. it's like bears in Sweden. it's been like 2 deadly attacks the last century, and at least one of those the guy shooting at the bear.
[09:29] <jpnurmi> we had a lynx stopping by and saying hi to the dogs just a few meters from the fence
[09:30] <Nafallo> oh wow. those are usually shy.
[09:32] <jpnurmi> i wasn't around but i got a horribly fuzzy video from the neighbor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtzgivZv8Y
[09:33] <Nafallo> wow. that's so cool!
[09:33] <jpnurmi> sweden's mini tiger :D
[09:35] <duflu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx
[09:35] <duflu> Wait, that's also the name of a band
[09:37] <Nafallo> duflu: well played ;-). made me remember the UDS where the UK staff had a lot of Lynx (UK's name for Axe) with them :-P
[09:39] <duflu> Oh right, not actual axes. Yes it's called Lynx here too
[09:39] <Nafallo> haha. yeah... they didn't bring axes across the Atlantic and passed US customs indeed ;-)
[09:40] <Nafallo> seb128: remember what city that was? I remember it had a pool on the roof and wireless Internet, but not what it was called :-P
[09:44] <seb128> no I don't :)
[09:47] <Nafallo> Dallas rings a bell...
[10:07] <duflu> o/
[10:47] <ricotz> hello desktopers!
[10:47] <oSoMoN> hello ricotz
[10:47] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN
[10:48] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, is the component mismatch of "libreoffice recommending www-browser" solvable?
[10:50] <ricotz> I am wondering why such virtual package dependencies are not resolved with main packages first before trying universe
[11:55] <didrocks> ricotz: want to rewrite apt? :p Didn’t we say we first have firefox to fix this?
[11:55] <didrocks> the browser is not the only one btw, you have more recommends in component-mismatches now
[11:56] <didrocks> ricotz: just find another rdepends trying to pull a browser I guess and try to do the same for libreoffice, I would say
[11:56] <ricotz> didrocks, firefox already provides www-browser, so the upcoming snap transition would be affected
[11:57] <didrocks> libreoffice is not the first one trying to recommends a browser, so I’m sure we can find other example in main and handle it the same way
[11:57] <ricotz> so this is basically some apt command and checkinge the pulled in packages?
[11:57] <didrocks> (then dillo and tk-html3 needs to be looked at as well)
[11:57] <didrocks> ricotz: yes. It’s based on the output of germinate IIRC
[11:58] <didrocks> so basically, this is what the iso would pull
[11:58] <ricotz> I see :\, the graph is kind of bogus in this case
[11:58] <didrocks> seb128: hey, btw, for you libhandy -> glade
[11:59] <didrocks> ricotz: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html for a textual version
[12:00] <ricotz> yeah, how "www-browser" is resolved there seems kind of random
[12:01] <ricotz> so basically putting "firefox" first as alternative is the only way or dropping the recommend completely
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, hey, thx
[12:21] <didrocks> ricotz: unsure it’s the only way (you can ask Colin Watson he would know better), but it’s a reliable way for sure
[12:53] <jbicha> good morning
[13:16] <KGB-2> mozjs signed tags be69fb3 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/91.5.1-0ubuntu1 * mozjs91 Debian release 91.5.1-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/iWGUR
[13:18] <didrocks> good morning jbicha
[13:22] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[14:10] <juliank> o/ I reverted back from Wayland to Xorg and it seems I can't attach files from inside google chrome, keybase (both debs), nor firefox snap
[14:10] <juliank> I guess they all use portals and they stopped working on X?
[14:10] <jbicha> Trevinho: I'm waiting to package gnome-settings-daemon 42 Beta until I see how it works with the new gnome-shell & friends. I'll have to add some package Breaks for the screenshot changes.
[14:11] <juliank> Feb 15 15:08:52 jak-t480s Keybase[1661470]: The peer-to-peer connection failed: Timeout was reached. Falling back to the session bus. Your application is probably missing --filesystem=xdg-run/gvfsd privileges.
[14:11] <juliank> Feb 15 15:09:35 jak-t480s nautilus[2994117]: The peer-to-peer connection failed: Timeout was reached. Falling back to the session bus. Your application is probably missing --filesystem=xdg-run/gvfsd privileges.
[14:12] <juliank> Yeah I also cannot start nautilus
[14:14] <juliank> gvfs-daemon.service was hanging Feb 14 12:50:02 jak-t480s gvfsd[1358261]: got no contact to IPC$
[14:19] <fossfreedom> jbicha: are there an plans for a ppa or maybe uploading to experimental for the mutter and gnome-settings-daemon beta 2 stuff?
[14:19] <fossfreedom> beta not beta 2
[14:21] <jbicha> T_revinho is working on mutter. g-s-d 42 Alpha is already in Jammy/Experimental. The 2 commits of interest are the latest media-keys changes to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commits/master
[14:22] <jbicha> our plan is to get mutter & gnome-shell into jammy-proposed this week
[14:23] <fossfreedom> Ah..   Good good. That will be very useful to work against.
[14:33] <seb128> hey jbicha, how are you?
[14:44] <jbicha> good
[14:50] <seb128> jbicha, how is the new GNOME packaging going? do you need help with any of the items?
[14:54] <jbicha> I didn't file a bug for tracker-miners yet. It built for me with Debian's icu/experimental so my guess is the problem is python 3.10 but I haven't investigated much
[14:55] <seb128> you could open a bug to start anyway?
[15:01] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, bug triagE?
[15:03] <seb128> he seems not around, I will review anyway
[15:03] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:04] <seb128> bug #1960458
[15:05] <seb128> I nominated and think it's a regression so we should figure it out, I've been poking and giving details upstream so I will assign it to myself
[15:05] <seb128> bug #1960387
[15:06] <seb128> duflu mentioned it's the most reported fprintd error so probably worth targetting, I would vote +1
[15:06] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[15:07] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I think it's due to libgusb issue plus we'd probably need https://github.com/libusb/libusb/pull/1073/
[15:08] <seb128> Trevinho, ack, I can cherry pick that fix, I'm adding to my list
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: nice, libgusb also is goiung to be updated..
[15:08] <Trevinho> I was trying to update libfprint yesterday and we found all these issues
[15:09] <seb128> updated like a new release? I will handle it once it's out
[15:09] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I've it ready for being sponsored, but didn't ask yet because of those issues that are leading to crashes
[15:09] <seb128> Trevinho, ah, ok, well let me know when you need sponsoring
[15:09] <seb128> next bug on the list is also for you
[15:09] <Trevinho> sure
[15:10] <seb128> bug #1960898
[15:10] <Trevinho> mh.... one of the reasons why I preferred to delay gjs/mozjs updates? :)
[15:11] <seb128> lol
[15:11] <seb128> the other ones we already discussed in previous meeting or need info
[15:11] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:11] <Trevinho> we may get another on indicator, if upstream didn't handle it yet, but I don't think so
[15:12] <seb128> Trevinho, should I assign that one to you?
[15:12] <Trevinho> yeah
[15:12] <seb128> thx
[15:12] <seb128> also unsure if you saw my ping yesterday asking if you wanted to handle backporting the dark theme upstream change to g-c-c
[15:12] <seb128> to change the color-scheme gsettings key when picking a theme varian
[15:14] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <seb128> those are assigned
[15:14] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <seb128> no desktop entry
[15:15] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <seb128> nothing new there
[15:15] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <seb128> no desktop entry
[15:15] <seb128>  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:16] <seb128> nothing new
[15:16] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:16] <seb128> no desktop entry
[15:16] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:17] <seb128> nothing new there
[15:17] <seb128> and that's it for this week
[15:17] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for participating in the review :)
[15:17] <Trevinho> :)
[15:20] <GunnarHj> There is an Ubuntu specific "Recommends: sane-airscan" in sane-backends. Wouldn't that be useful on Debian as well, i.e. shouldn't we propose that Recommends to Debian so we can start sync'ing again?
[16:08] <GunnarHj> Anticipating a "yes" to the question I asked, I filed https://bugs.debian.org/1005817 .
[16:14] <GunnarHj> seb128, jbicha: Which version of gnome-user-docs should we ship with 22.04? I'm thinking that if we stay with version 41 of g-c-c, version 41 of the docs may be best suited. Unless there is are important docs affecting changes to gnome-shell itself. Thoughts?
[16:21] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I don't know: there aren't any 42 docs yet :) :)
[16:22] <jbicha> if you like video calls, you could ask Shaun in about 40 minutes https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2022-February/msg00004.html
[16:24] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Right, I'm aware of that meeting. Will ask Shaun there.
[16:25] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Is it finally decided that we'll stay with g-c-c v. 41?
[16:26] <jbicha> the docs series is a hard question today because most people haven't seen GNOME 42 yet to know what to write about
[16:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: So I'm asking about it prematurely?
[16:28] <jbicha> yes, I think so. gnome-control-center 42 Beta wasn't released yet & that's a big part of the docs
[16:29] <jbicha> we are sticking with gnome-control-center 41 because the new version switches to gtk4 and it's a very large change there
[16:30] <GunnarHj> jbicha: The latter was the point I tried to make.
[16:32] <jbicha> my guess is that the 41 docs will be good enough. now that GNOME has a longer support cycle some docs improvements could still be backported there
[16:33] <GunnarHj> Yeah, that's my feeling too. And cherry picking docs contents would be too cumbersome due to translations.
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[17:19] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Shaun confirmed that staying with the 41 docs in 22.04 is probably the most sensible choice.
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[17:40] <KGB-2> evolution-ews upstream/latest de03a5c Marek Černocký po/cs.po * Updated Czech translation * https://deb.li/9FDE
[17:40] <KGB-2> evolution-ews upstream/latest c20e6af Milan Crha tests/ ews-test-camel.c ews-test-timezones.c * Use `g_assert_true()` instead of `g_assert()` in the unit tests * https://deb.li/35Vse
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[19:41] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for your help with fonts-ubuntu. :)
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[04:12] <web> Not really a Juju issue but my architecture is being ran with Charms.  I have recently switch from a single node application that loaded SSL certs and managed sessions to having NGINX handle load distribution and SSL termination for a cluster of nodes.  The issue I am having is when I successfully verify the user and set req.session.user = user it doesn't stick after res.redirect(backURL). http://stackoverflow.com/q/29313084/1275386
[16:06] <web> Is anyone familiar with loadbalancing node.js application clusters.  Could you look at my code and tell me if you think my issue is because of the cookie settings maybe? Express-Session with NGINX Loadbalancer Using SSL Termination:  http://stackoverflow.com/q/29313084/1275386
[20:10] <AskUbuntu> provide_data doesn't send data when required_keys not satisfied (juju charm using services framework) | http://askubuntu.com/q/602527


[11:06] <beligum> DaSkreech
[11:06] <darnell> daskreech?
[11:06] <beligum> what's up?
[11:06] <edward_> darnell: i have very limited ipod experience
[11:07] <DaSkreech> beligum: Peek in #kubuntu-devel we were talking about you
[11:07] <edward_> i used GTKpod and Amarok
[11:07] <edward_> so i can't really be of much help past that
[11:07] <DaSkreech> darnell: What are you trying to do?
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: /usr/share/doc - xserver-xorg-input-joystick or joystick (joystick might be easiest - aptitude show joystick
[11:07] <darnell> i'm trying to get kubuntu to recognize the existance of my ipod
[11:08] <darnell> i plug it in and it sits there
[11:08] <darnell> doing nothing
[11:08] <darnell> last night there was sda in my /media
[11:08] <darnell> but it doesnt show up anymore
[11:08] <darnell> i've rebooted  and still nothing..
[11:08] <darnell> but...
[11:08] <darnell> if i log into gnome its there
[11:08] <darnell> this only started when i went to kubuntu
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> darnell: is sda in /dev ?
[11:09] <lupine_85> darnell: mount it yourself?
[11:09] <intelikey> h3sp4wn ty looking.
[11:09] <lupine_85> kde isn't as good as gnome when it comes to automounting
[11:09] <darnell> tried that.. I cant mount it if the computer doesnt see it
[11:09] <lupine_85>  /dev/sda1 ?
[11:09] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: ??
[11:10] <darnell> i see sdb and sdb1
[11:10] <lupine_85> that's it then
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Jjust got into a screenshot comparion of pretty OSes and ended up using yours
[11:10] <DaSkreech> :-(
[11:10] <lupine_85> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 -t vfat /mnt (or wherever)
[11:10] <Hawkwind> Hah
[11:10] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: And of course mine won I'm sure :P
[11:11] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Well it was *nix vs * so *Nix won
[11:12] <pimuri> hi folks
[11:13] <pimuri> is there anybody who has time & nerves to help me with a ndiswrapper problem? :O)
[11:14] <darnell> ok that worked but...
[11:14] <darnell> i dont want to have to do this everytime..
[11:14] <darnell> will it change?
[11:14] <darnell> sdb1 to sda or something?
[11:14] <edward_> darnell: no idea.
[11:14] <edward_> oh no
[11:15] <edward_> that won't change
[11:15] <draik> !cedega
[11:15] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:15] <edward_> you can configre Amarok to look for it at the location all the time
[11:15] <Adore> dpkg: error processing w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb (--install):
[11:15] <Adore>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[11:15] <Adore> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:15] <Adore>  w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[11:15] <pimuri> !wpa_supplicant
[11:15] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). In component main, is important. Version 0.4.8-3ubuntu1.1 (dapper), package size 195 kB, installed size 532 kB
[11:15] <darnell> how so?
[11:15] <Adore> that after i reinstall
[11:15] <Adore> and after typed the commander
[11:16] <edward_> Adore: try sudo dpkg - i package.deb
[11:16] <Adore> ok
[11:16] <edward_> Adore:  actually try sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[11:16] <Adore> ype dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ;
[11:16] <Adore> Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
[11:16] <Adore> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[11:16] <Adore> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[11:16] <Adore> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[11:16] <Adore> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] .
[11:16] <Adore> Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[11:17] <Adore> dpkg: error processing package.deb (--install):
[11:17] <Adore>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[11:17] <Adore> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:17] <Adore>  package.deb
[11:17] <osh_> !pastebin
[11:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Adore: What's the name of the .deb?
[11:17] <edward_> no no, substitute the whole w32codec for the "package" part"
[11:18] <ge_ubuntu> I have a problem with Language/Regional settings
[11:18] <Adore> w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[11:18] <osh_> Is there some way to make the wireless nic automatically connect during bootup. Currently I have to start the wlan-assistant every time I login. Not a big problem but slightly annoying.
[11:18] <edward_> Adore: where is the .deb/
[11:18] <lupine_85> osh_: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:18] <Adore> i don't know really
[11:18] <edward_> osh_: ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:18] <edward_> Adore: is it on your desktop?
[11:19] <Adore> no ti's not
[11:19] <edward_> what folder is it in?
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Can you see it in Konqueror?
[11:19] <ge_ubuntu> As I know there should be a support for Georgian language
[11:19] <ge_ubuntu> but i cant switch to Georgian
[11:19] <Adore> Now
[11:19] <ge_ubuntu> System Settings ->Regional and Language Settings
[11:19] <TheHighChild> Does anyone know how to set it up so my screensaver starts when I put the cursor into a hotspot?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:20] <Adore> i cave this file on my desktop
[11:20] <TheHighChild> Is there a config I can edit?
[11:20] <Adore> w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[11:20] <osh_> lupine_85: No gui to make it happen? The wlan-assistant already have all info so I really shouldn't need to edit that file, although I agree that it would solve the problem.
[11:20] <intelikey> ok h3sp4wn would you care to give me a look at the input device section of your xorg.conf that describs the js ?   i have no clue what it should look like but a working example should help???
[11:20] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: what version of konq do you have?
[11:20] <edward_> Adore: type cd /home/user/Desktop
[11:20] <Adore> ok
[11:20] <edward_> repalace that with your user namd
[11:20] <intelikey> h3sp4wn you can just msg me if you like.
[11:20] <gnomefreak> edward_: cd Desktop will work
[11:20] <DaSkreech> edward_: Please use ~ instead of /home/user :0
[11:20] <Adore> bash: cd: /home/user/Desktop: No such file or directory
[11:20] <edward_> gnomefreak: yes i always forger that
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Adore: try cd ~/Desktop
[11:21] <Adore> ok
[11:21] <gnomefreak> Adore: type cd Desktop
[11:21] <edward_> DaSkreech: most people get confused on that
[11:21] <Adore> ok
[11:21] <edward_> i know i was confused
[11:21] <gnomefreak> make sure the D is a cap D
[11:21] <pimuri> I'm trying to get my USR 5416 WLAN card to get running under kubuntu. On some page I saw that you can use the netgear w311v2 INF file to install it .. I did it .. it seems to work  (at least when checking with ndiswrapper -l)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> who has kde 3.4.2?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> and 3.4.3
[11:22] <edward_> gnomefreak: not I
[11:22] <edward_> gnomefreak: this is really Admiral_Chicago
[11:22] <gnomefreak> me neither but im working on a bug
[11:22] <ge_ubuntu> no answer on my question?
[11:22] <pimuri> and I want to use wpa-psk ... so I made a key with wpa_passphrase ... ssid , etc and made a config file
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> intelikey:I don't have that when I plug it in its all handled by udev
[11:22] <Adore> what then
[11:22] <pimuri> now I try to start the daemon with sudo wpa_supplicant start -Dndiswrapper -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant2.conf    .. it get's me an error  "ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT] : Operation not supported"   does anybody know what this could mean?
[11:23] <Adore> ??
[11:23] <Adore> Then what?
[11:23] <intelikey> h3sp4wn nothing in xorg.conf ?
[11:23] <edward_> then type sudo dpkg -i W32codec.deb
[11:23] <lupine_85> osh_: there's probably one somewhere, but by the time you've found it and worked out how to use it, you might as well have edited the file directly
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Let me just check for certain but I have not manually added anything
[11:23] <edward_> or whatever its called
[11:23] <darnell> is this correct to add to fstab                 /dev/sda1       /mnt/ipod       vfat rw,user,noauto,noatime,errors=remount 0 0
[11:23] <darnell>     so that i dont have to manually mount all the time?
[11:23] <Adore> i do it
[11:23] <intelikey> ok.   maybe i still missing something.
[11:23] <Adore> but notinh done
[11:24] <Adore> eror
[11:24] <edward_> what is teh last line?
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Adore: sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[11:24] <darnell> not sure.. something i saw online
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Adore: sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[11:24] <Adore> ok
[11:25] <DaSkreech> I swear it's 100 times easier to tell them to right click and install package but you guys love the dpkg -i
[11:25] <Adore> reasing date .....
[11:25] <Adore> reading*
[11:25] <Adore> Very good
[11:25] <DaSkreech> darnell: do you have a /mnt/ipod?
[11:25] <Adore> i will go to try now the file
[11:25] <lupine_85> dpkg -i is desktop-independent :)
[11:26] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: You can do that in ubuntu as well
[11:26] <osh_> lupine_85: So, a feature-request on launchpad.net on wlan-assistant then... ;-) It should really be there already. Shouldn't it?
[11:26] <DaSkreech> Sort of :)
[11:26] <Adore> oh , nothing done
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dpkg is debian any debian release or based release
[11:27] <lupine_85> osh_: probably
[11:27] <Adore> the vedio not playing
[11:27] <Adore> just the sound
[11:27] <lupine_85> desktop = gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox...
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Adore: did you restart your browser what video player are you using?
[11:27] <Adore> no
[11:27] <Adore> i will do
[11:27] <Adore> now
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Adore: is it opening in kaffine?
[11:29] <Adore> i open media player
[11:29] <Adore> and but the file in it
[11:29] <Adore> but
[11:29] <Adore> just the sound working
[11:29] <Adore> the vedio not working
[11:29] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: We are in A Kubuntu Support Chan the only likely people we are to get in here are Ubuntu support seekers
[11:29] <gnomefreak> Adore: what media player?
[11:30] <Adore> tha last
[11:30] <lupine_85> DaSkreech: I try to avoid assumptions - even reasonable ones
[11:30] <Adore> 9
[11:30] <Adore> Movie Player using GStreamer 0.10.6
[11:30] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: Yeah but if yo uwere helping someone to install something then suddenly realised that he had just emerged kmplayer what would your reaction be?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> Adore: what is the name of the player you used to open the file with
[11:31] <starhawk> why cant I add wine repositories
[11:31] <gnomefreak> starhawk: try in #mepis since your using it
[11:31] <Adore> Movie player
[11:31] <gnomefreak> Adore: do you have ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:31] <lupine_85> DaSkreech: I don't see the relevence of the query
[11:31] <Adore> ubuntu
[11:31] <starhawk> thank you I will
[11:31] <tyler_d> I am looking for a descent codec pack for avi... .the one I have currently stutters, and the audio is all off???
[11:31] <lupine_85> I said "desktop", not "distro"
[11:31] <gnomefreak> Adore: restart totem (movie player)
[11:32] <Adore> How?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> Adore: close it and than open it again?
[11:32] <Adore> i do it
[11:32] <Adore> believe me
[11:32] <Adore> i will restart my pc
[11:32] <Adore> is that good?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> i brb going for smoke
[11:32] <gnomefreak> not gonna help
[11:32] <Adore> aha
[11:33] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: Well are all desktops equipped by default to deal with particular packages?
[11:33] <KomiaPoika> anyone knows how to enter bios of toshiba tecra laptpo?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: Ok since this is obviously going offtopic how come kubuntu ships with ark as the default manager for .deb?
[11:34] <lupine_85> DaSkreech: I don't know
[11:34] <lupine_85> hence why I recommend dpkg -i
[11:34] <Adore> hey
[11:34] <Adore> there is no sound too
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> ark supports ar archives does it not ?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: :)
[11:34] <DaSkreech> ar?
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> thats all a deb is - doesn't seem too unreasonable
[11:35] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: as long as you have binutils installed, I guess
[11:35] <verbose> i've made a real mess of kde...how can i completely remove it and all config files and reinstall it?
[11:35] <Adore> ys
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Yeah but the vast majority of people who downloada deb andclick on it would expect it to do what?
[11:35] <Adore> yes
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> verbose: sudo aptitude purge kde~i
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> verbose: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <Adore> ooops
[11:35] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Openoffice documents are .zips So should we have them open in ,ark as well?
[11:35] <Adore> i lost
[11:35] <verbose> h3sp4wn: thanks
[11:35] <sorush20> hi guys what does fifo mean?
[11:36] <lupine_85> first in first out
[11:36] <DaSkreech> First in First out
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Wouldn't affect me in the slightest
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Doh!
[11:36] <sorush20> fifo buffer isn't getting full and its sttuck at about 1- 2 percent and there is not info on device buffer..
[11:36] <sorush20> I don't know how to fix this
[11:39] <intelikey> sorush20 fifo=file in file out  ?
[11:40] <flake> i have a question, i just downloaded the bluefish editor - trying to edit and save a test webpage to view in the usual /var/www/... folder, but it wont let me save due to security i imagine
[11:40] <flake> do i need to set permissions on the folder
[11:40] <flake> or somehow run bluefish in root
[11:41] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: as of dapper you can click a .deb and it will install it and any depends it finds
[11:41] <angasule> does anyone know of a replacement for MS Project?
[11:41] <flake> and like when i code with c++ and create folders/apps,  i need to create maybe a base folder with the adequate permissions?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> flake: you use apt to install bluefish?
[11:42] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: I just clicked One and it opened in ark
[11:42] <flake> i had to download it manually, the universe repositories aren't enabled on my install for some reason
[11:42] <gnomefreak> gdebi = gnome and it does what i said im sure there should ne a kdebi iirc
[11:43] <gnomefreak> flake: enable them and install it. but was it a deb you downloaded?
[11:43] <flake> yes
[11:43] <lupine_85> flake: save it elsewhere and copy it over with sudo
[11:43] <flake> i used gdebi to extract/install
[11:43] <lupine_85> then change th owner and group to www-data
[11:43] <larsbjar> I am trying to share a folder with some windows computers on my LAN. But what about the samba password. Do I have to create a samba account with password? Why cant I share so that anyone can access my shared folder directly? Aaaah....
[11:43] <verbose> h3sp4wn: that didn't do it...kde is still just as messed up as it was before
[11:44] <flake> good idea lupine, for when it's exposed to the real world
[11:44] <verbose> i have no menu or anything other than 2 buttons that i put on the taskbar when it was working
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> verbose: try mv .kde .kdeold (restart kde - reintegrate any changes you made)
[11:44] <verbose> h3sp4wn: k, will do
[11:45] <gnomefreak> its not called kdebi but im almost positive i saw a kde version of it
[11:46] <verbose> h3sp4wn: thank you thank you...i didn't even think that it could be my settings, i just thought stuff was missing
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> verbose: If kubuntu-desktop is installed chances are nothing is missing (unless you are using unofficial repositories0
[11:48] <verbose> h3sp4wn: good to know
[11:49] <coreymon77> problem
[11:49] <coreymon77> my sound isnt working
[11:50] <coreymon77> ii cant get it to work
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: Since when ?
[11:50] <coreymon77> just noticed
[11:50] <coreymon77> but i think for a while
[11:50] <tk_> hi
[11:50] <verbose> anyone know how to detach a screen session running within another screen session?
[11:51] <jmichaelx> would it be possible to add the xfce weather panel applet to the KDE panel? the xfce4 applet is so much better than kweather....
[11:52] <gnomefreak> jmichaelx: im assuming not without alot of crap/hacking/so on
[11:53] <jmichaelx> gnomefreak: ok i was just curious
[11:53] <coreymon77> i cant get it to work
[11:53] <jmichaelx> i have xfce installed on this box, but have not tried to add that applet
[11:54] <Chuck> Hey guys, does anybody know how to rip dvds?
[11:55] <Chuck> I used acidrip, but wont work at all.
[11:55] <DaSkreech> k3b :-)
[11:55] <Chuck> Is it possible to encode them?
[11:56] <DaSkreech> Never tired though I should
[11:57] <coreymon77> can someone help me get my sound working?
[11:58] <Chuck> whats wrong?
[12:00] <sorush20> my dvd play back is a bit fuzzy how can I increase the quality please?
[12:00] <sorush20> I'm using a real dvd and xine engine with kaffine
[12:01] <micmac> sorush20, what video out driver are you using?
[12:02] <micmac> Is the source interlaced? Try hitting 'i' during playback in case it is.
[12:03] <sorush20> I put it on auto
[12:03] <AtKaaZ> does anyone know what causes console blanking in console text only mode? (not in X)
[12:04] <micmac> AtKaaZ, you want it to blank?
[12:04] <coreymon77> chuck: i dont really know what is wrong my sound just isnt working
[12:04] <sorush20> micmac: should I do interlace
[12:04] <AtKaaZ> micmac: i want it to stop blanking :)
[12:04] <micmac> sorush20, if it's interlaced you need to deinterlace
[12:05] <micmac> AtKaaZ, try 'setterm -powersave off'
[12:05] <AtKaaZ> micmac: all right! thanks so much
[12:05] <micmac> np, hope it works
[12:05] <AtKaaZ> me too
[12:05] <sorush20> it seems like I can see the frames and its not fast enough..
[12:06] <micmac> sorush20, is it better when you set the video out driver to 'xv' instead of 'auto'
[12:06] <micmac> ?
[12:06] <sorush20> it is still fuzzy and I can see the edges of the pics and fuzzy..
[12:06] <rioux602> Hello
[12:07] <micmac> sorush20, try another player. mplayer for instance.
[12:07] <sorush20> micmac: don't know how to describe it.
[12:07] <clams> for nvidia cards, you need a driver for kubuntu, correct?
[12:07] <micmac> sorush20, I thought so :)
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Where can I find the Rich text option in kopete?
[12:09] <rioux602> can someone help me with samba ?
[12:10] <rioux602> i don't know how to configure it..
[12:10] <rioux602> I already tried some tutos.
[12:10] <micmac> rioux602, take a look at the sample smb.conf
[12:10] <coreymon77> clams:yes
[12:10] <rioux602> yes but I can't edit it
[12:10] <micmac> rioux602, you need to sudo
[12:10] <rioux602> i did
[12:11] <rioux602> sudo -e smb.conf ?
[12:11] <echo1> anyone know the link for the forum post "$80 router to $800 router" (its baout hacked router firmware, for MORE than jsut the linksys wrtg54)
[12:11] <echo1> i searched but cant seem to find it


[07:10] <mup> Bug #1978922 opened: MAAS 3.1 - Missing button "Create datastore" in VMFS7 storage layout <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978922>
[07:25] <mup> Bug #1978922 changed: MAAS 3.1 - Missing button "Create datastore" in VMFS7 storage layout <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978922>
[07:28] <mup> Bug #1978922 opened: MAAS 3.1 - Missing button "Create datastore" in VMFS7 storage layout <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978922>
[07:31] <mup> Bug #1978922 changed: MAAS 3.1 - Missing button "Create datastore" in VMFS7 storage layout <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978922>
[07:34] <mup> Bug #1978922 opened: MAAS 3.1 - Missing button "Create datastore" in VMFS7 storage layout <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978922>
[08:52] <mup> Bug #1630757 changed: MAAS should be able to disable discovery (and services) on a per-network basis. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630757>
[08:56] <mup> Bug #1630757 opened: MAAS should be able to disable discovery (and services) on a per-network basis. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630757>
[09:08] <mup> Bug #1630757 changed: MAAS should be able to disable discovery (and services) on a per-network basis. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630757>
[13:37] <mup> Bug #1978957 opened: Maas with RBAC fails random commands with: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978957>
[13:43] <mup> Bug #1978957 changed: Maas with RBAC fails random commands with: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978957>
[13:49] <mup> Bug #1978957 opened: Maas with RBAC fails random commands with: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978957>
[13:52] <mup> Bug #1978957 changed: Maas with RBAC fails random commands with: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978957>
[13:55] <mup> Bug #1978957 opened: Maas with RBAC fails random commands with: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978957>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1978981 opened: [3.2-rc1 snap] Couldn't find vlan <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978981>
[16:58] <mup> Bug #1978981 changed: [3.2-rc1 snap] Couldn't find vlan <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978981>
[17:01] <mup> Bug #1978981 opened: [3.2-rc1 snap] Couldn't find vlan <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978981>


[15:07] <aquarius> cjohnston, mhall119, I don't suppose you're around? :)
[15:08] <cjohnston> nope
[15:08]  * aquarius laughs
[15:08] <aquarius> got a few minutes?
[15:08] <cjohnston> sure
[15:09] <aquarius> firstly, your thoughts on https://code.launchpad.net/~sil/summit/more-mobile-summit/+merge/90608 invited
[15:09] <aquarius> more importantly, I'm thinking about how to do offline-capable summit
[15:09] <aquarius> and I'd like to kick the ideas around a bit
[15:10] <cjohnston> probably a better discussion with mhall119, but I'll talk.. nigelb you around?
[15:11] <nigelb> gimme 30 mins? I'm headed for dinner
[15:11] <aquarius> OK. My plan is this: the daily pages (and only those) will be cached. When you visit one of the daily pages, it's loaded from the cache and the top of the page says "Schedule saved 1h43m ago". If, and only if, you are online *and* the schedule has been updated since then, that will also say "Schedule has been updated: [load new schedule]"
[15:12] <cjohnston> that'd be cool
[15:13] <aquarius> the issue is: if you're online and you never go offline (you're using a laptop and you're sat at UDS itself during the day), it'll still work like this: that is, you'll have to explicitly hit that [load new schedule] button to get updates, *even if* you refresh the page with F5
[15:13] <aquarius> is that too annoying?
[15:13] <cjohnston> yes
[15:13] <cjohnston> to me atleast
[15:14] <cjohnston> would it be possible to do "if viewed from phone cache and display info, else act normal"
[15:14] <cjohnston> ?
[15:14] <nigelb> aquarius: before I go, can we use localstorage?
[15:14] <aquarius> nigelb, we can, if we want to build a separate explicit version of summit that renders everything client-side, and make an API for it to talk to to fetch data. That seems like a lot of work for not much benefit to me
[15:15] <aquarius> cjohnston, it is, as long as you can decide "is this a phone" on the *server*. Which is hard -- how will you do it?
[15:15] <nigelb> that makes sense.
[15:15] <cjohnston> I've never done anything with phones, so I have no idea
[15:16] <aquarius> you can deetect *specific* phones (say, an iPhone, or Android), but that'll exclude people with blackberrys and windows phone 7 and n9 and so on
[15:17] <cjohnston> gotcha
[15:17] <aquarius> and then people will say: this is typical Ubuntu only caring about apple and google and not my FreedomPhone which is quite capable of enjoying this offline magic but you excluded me anyway because you hate freedom
[15:17] <aquarius> and they will say that to you and you will get tired of it :)
[15:18] <cjohnston> lol
[15:32] <aquarius> cjohnston, next question. I'd like to have some sort of identifying string which is "the state of conference UDS-P right now", such that that string will change if anything at all changes about the conference -- a session is rescheduled, a session's title changes, a session is deleted, etc
[15:32] <aquarius> where would I get such a thing?
[15:33] <aquarius> I could obviously do: for session in all_sessions: longstring += session.title + session.time + session.description; identifying_string = md5(longstring)
[15:33] <aquarius> is there an easier way? :)
[15:36] <cjohnston> aquarius: I don't believe we have anything like that
[15:37] <cjohnston> and the schedule changes so frequently.. thats why the display monitors refresh every 5 minutes & we added that little "the page was last refreshed
[15:37] <cjohnston> "
[15:38] <aquarius> ya
[15:38] <cjohnston> people showed up to work on the house, so im only partially here
[15:48] <aquarius> no worries
[15:48] <aquarius> would be interested in nigelb's thoughts on the caching stuff, too
[15:49] <nigelb> aquarius: I like your idea. I had this md5 thoughts a few months back to refresh only if there was a change.
[15:50] <aquarius> nigelb, aren't you having lunch? :)
[15:50] <nigelb> Dinner.
[15:50] <nigelb> I just got back
[15:50] <aquarius> yeah, the md5 thing is one way to do it, right enough, but computing it is fairly expensive :(
[15:50] <aquarius> which we don't want to do every time anyone requests a page...
[15:50] <nigelb> well, we could store the hash into memcached.
[15:51] <nigelb> and remove the key when something changes.
[15:51] <nigelb> we already do something of this sort.
[15:51] <aquarius> oh?
[15:51] <nigelb> render.py had something of this sort. Listening for changes is already there.
[15:51] <aquarius> problem with that approach is that it requires poking everything that writes to the DB to remove the cache
[15:51] <nigelb> Well, poking everything that matters.
[15:52] <nigelb> I'd argue only the sessions need poking.
[15:52] <nigelb> if a new person signs up, we don't need to update.
[15:54] <aquarius> agreed
[15:54] <aquarius> well... it might be *you* :)
[15:55] <nigelb> Let me take a look tomorrow morning :)
[15:55] <aquarius> but poking the DB writing stuff is a big faff that I'd like to avoid ;)
[15:55] <nigelb> I haven't touched summit in a while due to lack of time. I'll try to make time for this.
[15:57] <aquarius> is there a DB revision somewhere?
[15:57] <aquarius> can't remember whether django maintains that :)
[15:58] <nigelb> well, you can do ./manage.py migrate to migrate all the changes we've made.
[15:58] <aquarius> ah, no, not that sort of revision. I mean, one number somewhere which django increments every time the DB changes :)
[15:59] <nigelb> Nope
[16:00] <nigelb> this is when data changes right?
[16:00] <aquarius> yeah
[16:00] <aquarius> I thought that was a bit hopeful :)
[16:01] <nigelb> heh
[16:05] <cjohnston> nigelb: fwiw, there is one bug that needs to be fixed prior to looking at the offline stuff please... it needs to be fixed in the next couple days
[16:05] <cjohnston> prior to connect
[16:05] <cjohnston> aquarius: are you on and android?
[16:05] <nigelb> I'm not touching anything critical and time-bound.
[16:06] <aquarius> I am
[16:06] <nigelb> I know I won't finish it.
[16:06] <aquarius> cjohnston, having someone with an iphone test my mobile branches would be a good idea ;)
[16:06] <cjohnston> i have access to one
[16:06] <cjohnston> aquarius: download this: https://market.android.com/details?id=org.linaro.connect&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm9yZy5saW5hcm8uY29ubmVjdCJd
[16:06] <cjohnston> im going to attempt to make one for ubuntu prior to uds
[16:07] <aquarius> ah, OK. My intention with the mobile patches is to make it so you don't *need* a native app :)
[16:07] <cjohnston> ya..
[16:07] <aquarius> and then we support all phones without having to make fifty different mobile apps ;)
[16:07] <cjohnston> i know.. but that's kinda cool too
[17:58] <cjohnston> aquarius: your branch is merged
[17:58] <cjohnston> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/uds-p/
[17:59] <cjohnston> I'd think maybe remove the topnav (login, ubuntu.com, community, support, partners)
[18:40] <aquarius> hey, cjohnston, sorry was afk
[18:41] <aquarius> I kept those bits on the summary pages just in case someone needs them (although they are reformatted a bit on narrow screens)
[18:42] <cjohnston> ok
[18:42] <aquarius> easy to remove if you think so -- they're removed on the daily pages, because those ones are specificallymobile-optimised
[18:42] <cjohnston> I just think those links are way too small.. I could be wrong, but i dont see anyone clicking partners on their cell phon
[18:42] <cjohnston> e
[18:42] <cjohnston> I'm ok with the orange bar.. im talking the white bar above it
[18:43] <aquarius> the earlier pages aren't really designed for mobile -- all I've done is made them a bit more sensible on a mobile :0
[18:43] <aquarius> so they don't start off zoomed out, etc
[18:43] <cjohnston> right
[18:43] <aquarius> and I kept log in 'cos... people need to log in ;) I've reformatted that on the daily page (and turned off the rest of that white bar)
[18:44] <cjohnston> theres a login link lower, below the summit info
[18:44] <cjohnston> lets get feedback from nigelb and mhall119
[18:46] <aquarius> sure -- that's why I proposed a merge, so you guys can decide whether you like it or not ;)
[18:46] <cjohnston> :-)
[18:46] <cjohnston> I'm off for a bit.. if you need something just poke and ill help when i get back
[18:47] <aquarius> no worries. I have totally failed to do any hacking today anyway :)
[18:47] <cjohnston> lol
[18:48] <cjohnston> we need to figure out this schedule display issue... and i dont have time to think about it


[04:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9601108/
[04:04] <bluesabre> that will start/stop light-locker, and everything else lls does
[04:04] <bluesabre> it also hides the security frame if the security tab is used
[04:06] <bluesabre> I noticed a bit of spacing incosistency when eye-balling the Display vs. Security tabs, if you want to tweak that and give the diff... let me know if there is anything else you want me to tweak
[04:06] <bluesabre> bed time, bbl
[04:07] <JackFrost> G'night.
[04:13] <pleia2> stickers!!1
[04:17] <pleia2> shirt feels nice, looks great
[04:17] <pleia2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/15898686589/
[04:19] <JackFrost> Back or front?
[04:19] <JackFrost> Tag indicates front.
[04:20] <pleia2> yeah, nothing on the back
[04:20] <JackFrost> Other stickers are the Debian logo, apt-get, and bin/bash?  Nice. :D
[04:20] <pleia2> hehe, yeah, I bought a few others for myself so I could piggyback on the paid-for-shipping ;)
[04:21] <JackFrost> Sure, just had to admire them too1
[04:21] <JackFrost> s/1/!/
[04:21] <pleia2> it's all very nice


[16:15] <studio-user182> hello, I'm a ubuntu studio user, I'm shopping for a new laptop, any suggestion? I'm a heavy Ardour user so I need a good cpu
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> studio-user182: I don't know what to tell you, but I've had good luck with a Dell gaming laptop. Having a dedicated GPU to take the workload off of the CPU is helpful for audio production.
[16:29] <studio-user182> ok thanks
[16:29] <studio-user182> I was checking thinkpenguin.com
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> System76 has some good stuff too.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> studio-user182: ThnkPenguin's highest-end notebook only has integrated graphics, as far as I can see.
[16:33] <studio-user182> already checked System76, too expensive. I'm trying to spend $1k more or less
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> I'd then check Amazon. I got mine for ~$550. Most Dell laptops, while they come with Windows, are very Linux friendly.
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> Dell even officially supports Linux on some of their laptops.
[17:33] <mrz80> I've got a Latitude 7480 running Xubuntu and it's fantastic.
[17:59] <mrz80> Dells do tend to be pricey
[18:51] <studio-user182> thanks guys
[19:44] <MaynardWaters> plex or subsonic?
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> MaynardWaters: This is an official support channel. For offtopic (non-support) discussions, feel free to join #ubuntustudio-offtopic.
[21:15] <Glorfindel> does studio include any programs that can stabilize video?
[21:21] <Glorfindel> ah, kdenlive does... lets see how well it works
[21:45] <Glorfindel> has anyone gotten stabilization working in kdenlive? haven't found an answer online either
[21:46] <Glorfindel> seems there was a bug that lead to stabilization not working, but it was fixed in the version before latest
[21:47] <Glorfindel> no info on this version, kdenlive 17.12.3
[22:18] <Glorfindel> now trying transcode, lets see if this works