[15:21] <ComputerChic> Hi all
[15:22] <wrst> hello
[15:22] <ComputerChic> wrst: hey
[15:25] <wrst> how are you doing?
[19:36] <wrst> morning chris4585 ;)
[19:37] <chris4585> hey wrst, good afternoon
[19:37] <wrst> all going well chris4585?
[19:38] <chris4585> yeah I guess so
[19:39] <wrst> chris4585: i have been playing with cyanogenmod on my phone the last few days
[19:40] <chris4585> I have no idea what that is, lol
[19:57] <wrst> its an android os
[19:58] <wrst> http://cyanogenmod.com/
[21:10] <chris4585> wrst, neat, liking it?
[21:12] <wrst> very much so chris4585
[21:12] <chris4585> thats good, I still have a dumb phone
[21:20] <wrst> that would probably be better for me :)
[21:24] <chris4585> I would like a android device but not as a phone, samsung has an android camera with a 7" screen I believe
[21:24] <chris4585> something like that would be awesome
[21:25] <chris4585> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6217/samsung-announces-galaxy-camera-running-android-41
[21:25] <chris4585> 4.8"
[21:34] <wrst> i have the galaxy s3 phone i'm really happy with the hardware
[21:34] <wrst> software not so much
[21:34] <wrst> touchwhiz was not good IMO
[21:34] <wrst> that's pretty slick chris4585
[21:35] <chris4585> the note II looks like a good phone from what I've seen
[21:35] <wrst> its just stinking huge :)
[21:36] <wrst> my phone is on the large side
[21:36] <wrst> but not that large
[21:36] <chris4585> yeah I'd rather have a device more focused on taking pictures with android than a phone
[21:36] <wrst> in an DSLR i would like that


[00:15] <goodtime> what seem to be the matter Soru_
[00:15] <goodtime> what seem to be the matter Soru_
[00:15] <goodtime> who needs help
[00:40] <Soru___> goodtime: Sorry!
[00:40] <Soru___> Nothing
[00:40] <Soru___> Thank you!
[02:31] <m_tadeu> hi...my micrphone is not working
[06:25] <fuzzwaltz> Hello, flash video plugin installed, but in place of video is a black box, any ideas to fix? please
[08:42] <GahteredPain2> Hi.. anyone experienced with KDE/KDM and Fingerprint-Readers?
[09:41] <Guest6550> any ideas why my laptop won't shut down? It hands on the "Power off." message
[09:41] <Guest6550> hangs*
[09:44] <murthy> Guest6550: no disk activity when it hangs?
[09:45] <Guest6550> murthy: no nothing, it just stands there, not even ctrl alt del works, i have to turn it off manually
[09:46] <Guest6550> murthy: it's the same in ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and opensuse 12.1, 2 and 3. have no idea where to look anymore
[09:48] <murthy> Guest6550: there is a way to turn it off safely, instead of doing it manually. you can press alt+printscreen+s and then press alt+printscreen+b, this will write all the data to the disk and restart the computer, this way its a bit safe
[09:48] <murthy> Guest6550: about the problem,
[09:49] <murthy> Guest6550: whats your kde version and kubuntu version?
[09:49] <Guest6550> murthy: kubuntu is freshly installed 12.04 and updated to the max (no outside repos)
[09:50] <Guest6550> and kde is i guess 4.8
[09:51] <murthy> Guest6550: can you try something?
[09:52] <Guest6550> murthy: i can try whatever, the laptop is freshyl installed and not even for me, so
[09:52] <murthy> Guest6550: goto settings-> power management
[09:53] <murthy> Guest6550: is there a column on the left?
[09:53] <Guest6550> yup
[09:54] <murthy> Guest6550: is there an item called energy savings?
[09:54] <Guest6550> yes
[09:55] <murthy> Guest6550: on the right what option is set for"when power button is pressed"?
[09:55] <Guest6550> it's set to show the dialog window
[09:56] <murthy> Guest6550: change it to shutdown
[09:56] <murthy> Guest6550: then press apply button
[09:56] <Guest6550> ok
[09:57] <Guest6550> so, i press it now? :D
[09:57] <murthy> Guest6550: ya :)
[09:57] <Guest6550> ok, see you in a while
[09:59] <mb___> murthy: nope, it froze again
[10:00] <murthy> mb___: so did you close the irc window before you pressed the power button?
[10:01] <mb___> i don't think i did lol, but that shouldn't be an issue? i mean, there is now way i can ensure that the man who will inherit this computer will do so every time
[10:03] <murthy> mb___: i asked because your previous nick closed the connection, that happens when the client is closed, so my guess is that some process is blocking the shutdown process. when the system hangs can you open a tty?
[10:04] <mb___> murthy: no, after it hangs i can't do a thing, if i open it beforehand, it just states that the eth0 interface is down and hangs on a message "Power off."
[10:05] <murthy> mb___: no keyboard response in tty?
[10:05] <mb___> murthy: this is the last thing in the log before the new boot: 28.03.2013. 10:59:11	mb-MTC	rsyslogd-2039	Could not open output pipe '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[10:06] <mb___> murthy: no, absolutely nothing
[10:07] <murthy> mb___: is there a harddisk indicator led in laptop?
[10:07] <mb___> murthy: yesw
[10:09] <murthy> mb___: when the system hangs, press "alt+printscreen+s"   and see if the harddisk led for activity, if there is activity  everytime you press the key combination then the kernel hasn't crashed
[10:09] <mb___> murthy ok, on it
[10:12] <mb___> murthy: nope, no activity at all
[10:12] <murthy> mb___: what is the kernel version?
[10:13] <mb___> 3.2.0-39-generic-pae
[10:15] <mb___> murthy: most forums i googled up said it's an "acpi" problem, but i've tried all possible settings and nothing helped
[10:15] <murthy> mb___: do you have a live cd with any other kernel version? livecds of ubuntu 12.10 or 13.04  would be better
[10:15] <mb___> well, yesterday i had the same issue with opensuse 12.3, and it has 3.5 or 3.7,  not sure
[10:16] <murthy> mb___: have you tried the grub acpi options?
[10:16] <mb___> tried with "off" and "force"
[10:17] <mimmo> aiuto
[10:19] <murthy> mb___: can you try using the this command in tty "sudo shutdown -h now" ?
[10:19] <mb___> murthy: sure, but i think i tried it before, or some variation
[10:19] <mb___> brb
[10:25] <mb___> murthy: froze as before
[10:26] <murthy> mb___: you tried all the acpi options in the bios?
[10:27] <mb___> this laptop has a ridiculously small number of bios options, only boot order and time/date, nothing related to acpi
[10:27] <murthy> mb___: give me the laptop model number
[10:29] <mb___> murthy: good luck with that, it's a Forcebook 8258i
[10:31] <murthy> mb___: can you paste the kernel log? use paste.kde.org
[10:32] <mb___> sure, just a sec
[10:33] <mb___> http://paste.kde.org/711074/
[10:34] <murthy> checking
[10:36] <murthy> mb___: from where did you get this log?
[10:37] <mb___> from the kde log viewer
[10:37] <mb___> kernel section
[10:37] <murthy> mb___: paste the file /var/log/kern.log
[10:37] <mb___> k
[10:41] <idiot> hello
[10:41] <idiot> May i ask a question?
[10:42] <mb___> just a sec, rekonq is acting up
[10:42] <moar> ok
[10:43] <moar> i just wonder if kubuntu malfunctions well with kernel 3.2.40-grse
[10:43] <moar> also i'd like to know if it's more suitable for gnome or kde or that depends on the reason i use the box for?
[10:43] <mb___> murthy: http://paste.kde.org/711080/
[10:43] <mb___> murthy: looks the same as the last one tho, on first glance
[10:49] <murthy> mb___: i am checking the log, can you wait?
[10:50] <murthy> mb___: i think i found something
[10:51] <mb___> k, what? :D
[10:54] <murthy> mb___: From the log i can see that a nepomuk service segfaults, i am wondering if that can block the shutdown process
[10:54] <mb___> maybe it can, but xubuntu and opensuse don't have nepomuk :/ i'm pretty sure it's a deeper problem
[10:55] <murthy> mb___: ya, at least we have a clue
[10:56] <mb___> or do we :D
[11:03] <_droid> hi people, i have isntalled kubuntu. now I'am a former windows user and I use thunderbird as my default mail client which i do also today. Now when I want to click onto a link that is mentioned in an email for example,  it asks me with what application do I want to open it. Now since I'm new with kubuntu, how do I tell thunderbird to use my firefox?
[11:04] <murthy> mb___:  it says the system is using legacy suspend/resume methods that might be a cause, you need to check the bios settings.
[11:04] <mb___> there is nothing in the bios concerning that :/
[11:07] <murthy> mb___: that is very strange
[11:07] <murthy> _droid: do you get a dialog to select the program?
[11:08] <mb___> murthy: well, it's a crappy laptop, to say the least
[11:09] <murthy> mb___: I doubt that you are not doing the right thing to get the bios settings and my guess is you are seeing one part of the bios settings and not the actual full one
[11:10] <mb___> murthy: well, i can assure you that it's the whole thing
[11:10] <murthy> mb___: some bios settings can be accessed thought an app provided by the company from the OS
[11:12] <murthy> _droid: to select firefox, select /usr/bin/firefox file
[11:13] <mb___> murthy: it's really not the case, it is a croatian made laptop from chinese parts, with little or no documentation. i feel silly just typing this
[11:14] <murthy> mb___: other operating systems work well?
[11:14] <mb___> windows xp shut down well, haven't tried the rest
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:22] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:42] <ovidiu-florin> hello lordievader
[14:42] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[14:42] <ovidiu-florin> at work...
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> tech support this week...
[14:43] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You were the one where the pc froze right? Did it freeze today?
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: how about you?
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> I've changed the video driver and left it on Xrander over night
[14:43] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I'm doing good ;)
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try OpenGL again tonight
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> after I finish my shift
[14:44] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: It didn't freeze today? With the Xrender?
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> no it did not
[14:45] <lordievader> Hmm, ok. That is interesting.
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> I suspect it was because the driver was unstable, and I had to change my video card a few weeks ago
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> and after I've changed it I did not reinstall / install other driver
[14:47] <lordievader> That might very well be the problem.
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> I thought it was weird.... since my other computers did not manifest this problem
[14:47] <lordievader> Each computer is different.
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> Yes but I allways use the Nvidia current updates driver
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: thank you for your help yesterday
[14:57] <lordievader> No problem, ovidiu-florin ;)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin:  I did exactly the same as you changing nvidia cards without changing the driver and I had some frezes , until reinsatlling the driver, then OpenGL and Native settings in desktop effects worked as they should
[15:03] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: thank you for your confirmation
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin:  np , I had a 7600gt which died , so I replaced it with a 8400gs (good enough for my needs)
[15:06] <ovidiu-florin> I have no ideea what I had and what I have... (don't really care - this is the work computer) the fan stopped on the old one so I had to change it.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> right
[15:10] <BluesKaj> this pc is my media server for our audio/video system so it's important to keep running, altho the pc itself is 5yrs old now
[15:20] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: is it connected to a TV? or just as a file server?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin:  both the TV and Audio Receiver with the soundcard feeding the spdif signal ,  and DVI to HDMI on the TV
[15:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'm also interested in doing something like that. could you please tell me more about your system?
[15:26] <ovidiu-florin> How did you set it up?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> my computer graphics card feeds the DVI(HDMI) video to the hdmi tv input , the soundcard digital out or spdif sends the audio to a digital to analog converter (DAC) input on my audio home theater receiver
[15:29] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin: ^
[15:32] <BluesKaj> some ppl who don't use a separate audio system from their tv can just feed the hdmi from the graphics card to the tv ,( hdmi also carries the digtal audio to the tv)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin: ^
[15:36] <ovidiu-florin> How do you set up the video card to also send audio to the HDMI? I have a video board with 2 DVI outputs and I'm using a standard HDMI cable with an DVI to HDMI converter.
[15:37] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: ^
[15:39] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin:  it depends on the graphics card , some DVI to hdmi will carry the audio signal if you enable the spdif ( digital audio out)
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: that means that the video card also has spdif ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> enable spdif on the soundcard
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'll come back to this once I'm in front of the mentioned computer
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> this saturday most likely
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj:  thank you
[15:41] <BluesKaj> hdmi looks for the digital audio by default afaik, hdmi can't carry an analog audio signal and shouldn't
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ok , i should be around on Sat morning , thatwould be afternoon in europe :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin:  you're welcome :)
[17:38] <gregor3000> I can'r install chromium update. previous attempt on updates crashed my mouse and changed keyboard to default it also seems as though the sound is gone
[17:39] <gregor3000> it says error
[17:39] <gregor3000> ; short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb running ./usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser
[17:40] <lordievader> gregor3000: How are you updating chromium? Through apt-get?
[17:42] <gregor3000> i went via muon. when i tried to install alsamixer i ofund out thta some updates (such as new kernel) actually never installed and were then installed along wiht alsamixer. however chromium still refuses to instal
[17:42] <gregor3000> it didn't work with apt get
[17:42] <lordievader> gregor3000: What has apt-get to say about the issue?
[17:42] <gregor3000> would you like me to do it and give error report?
[17:43] <lordievader> Yes, please try to update with apt-get and pastebin the output.
[17:43] <gregor3000> ok got the sound to work now
[17:43] <gregor3000> hold on.... i iam typing this form my netbook
[17:47] <gregor3000> that would be me....
[17:49] <gregor3001> and thi sis the apt-get process: http://pastebin.com/TSFPR9QA
[17:49] <gregor3001> i mean upgrade
[17:49] <gregor3001> note apt-get -f install didn't help. i tried before
[17:50] <lordievader> Hmm pastebin.com doesn't seem to load. Could you upload it to paste.kde.org, gregor3000?
[17:52] <gregor3001> http://paste.kde.org/711314/
[17:55] <lordievader> gregor3000: Cleaning the archive might fix this "apt-get autoclean" should do this, verify that /var/cache/apt/archives is empty. Also you sould fix your sources.list file.
[17:55] <gregor3001> yeah i know. getdeb and playdeb are "dead" unless i move to mirror
[18:02] <gregor3001> apt/archives has 258 files and a partial directory (after autoclean command). can i /should i delete all these files?
[18:03] <lordievader> gregor3000: Yes, especially the chromium ones ;)
[18:10] <gregor3001> FINALLY!!!!! just one more thing if PPA is not existing anymore can i simply remove it from sources and no harm (and not updates) done?
[18:10] <gregor3001> no updates
[18:11] <lordievader> gregor3001: Ppa-purge is a better idea to remove a ppa. Restores the packages that are installed through the ppa.
[18:12] <gregor3001> ok i will check the coumentaion on ppa pruge. thank you for now....
[18:12] <lordievader> No problem, glad I could help. :)
[19:25] <DavEd3464> hey
[19:27] <SonikkuAmerica> (Hi! /quit)
[19:29] <Guest62384> hi
[19:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey wolf, welcome to Kubuntu community support!
[19:35] <Guest62384> hello
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[19:35] <Guest62384> catala, español france?
[19:36] <Guest62384> tor?
[19:36] <Guest62384> freenet?
[19:36] <SonikkuAmerica> !es | Guest62384
[19:36] <SonikkuAmerica> !fr | Guest62384
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Guest62384:  do you have a question ?
[19:37] <Guest62384> buenas SonikkuAmerica
[19:38] <Guest62384> como desactivar, activar comodamente  en entorno grafico i facilmente el proxy freenet
[19:38] <Guest62384> gracias
[19:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest62384: Escribe Ud. [ /join #ubuntu-es ] en su area de charla y presione Ud. ENTER (intro).
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Guest62384:   /join #ubuntu-es
[20:28] <foobArrr> some non-kde programs don't display the correct icons on buttons: eg gnome disks ( http://i.imagebanana.com/img/24nuwv0c/Selection_004.png ) or shutter ( http://i.imagebanana.com/img/bswpn4g9/shutter.png ). am I missing some package with icons? I installed gnome-icon-theme*, but that didn't fix it.
[20:29] <SonikkuAmerica> I think it's an inconsistency problem, but I dunno how to fix it
[21:29] <KDG-MACKDE> what is the keyboard for closeing windows on kUbuntu ? (command+W)
[21:30] <lordievader> KDG-MACKDE: Alt + F4?
[21:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, Alt + F4 last I checked
[21:31] <KDG-MACKDE> it do force closed?
[21:33] <KDG-MACKDE> thanks:)
[21:33] <lordievader> KDG-MACKDE: It closes the window, it is up to the application to show a confirmation. In somecases ctrl+q or ctrl+w might work too, though ctrl+w is more for tabs.
[21:33] <KDG-MACKDE> yea know :( tab not windows :(
[21:33] <KDG-MACKDE> can it be chane?
[21:35] <lordievader> KDG-MACKDE: System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> Kwin -> Close Window
[21:36] <KDG-MACKDE> thx :)
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> That reminds me I need to change my workspace switcher shortcuts
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Ctrl+F4 = closing subwindows, not switching to WS #4


[17:18] <slashd_> Hi SRU team, can you nominate LP: #1176046 for "libdns162" instead of "isc-dhcp" and mark the pkg as affecting release T/X/Z, thanks ?
[17:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1176046 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "isc-dhcp dhclient listens on extra random ports" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176046


[00:38] <Bashing-om> !zesty
[04:43] <Ben64> dude didn't even suggest a code name
[05:25] <EriC^^> cats screatching today
[05:25] <EriC^^> guess it's that time of the year
[05:47] <alkisg> Good morning guys
[05:52] <oerheks> hi alkisg :-)
[06:02] <EriC^^> morning alkisg
[06:02] <EriC^^> oerheks o/
[06:02] <oerheks> hi EriC^^
[06:03] <oerheks> nice weather comming up .. https://www.buienradar.nl/wereldwijd/europa/7daagse/wind
[06:03]  * oerheks grabs fresh coffee
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:04] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> hey hey alkisg
[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new on ubuntu news
[07:05] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje How are you doing?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> all ok here lordievader and you on train?
[07:06] <lordievader> Nope.
[07:06] <lordievader> The [m] is for Matrix 😉
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-wallpaper-contest-welcomes-talented-photographs-and-artists-519384.shtml
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> one for you lordievader http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-12-lts-enters-beta-brings-unified-look-and-phone-integration-519376.shtml
[07:10] <lordievader> I saw that this morning. Now all I have to do is wait until it is in the portage tree 😁
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:11] <lordievader> Newest is currently 5.11.5
[07:11] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps I should update.
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[07:13] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: what is in store for you today?
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: work : (
[07:14] <lordievader> Computer shop work or other kind of work?
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: dont have proper time anymore
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: my collegue is pregnant, gotta do more hours
[07:17] <lordievader> Ah, that sucks.
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> i might consider a new job again
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> to combine with
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> its always the same with jobs..they promise few hours and they end up asking more and more
[07:29] <Bashing-om> g nite \o
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> bye Bashing-om
[07:30] <Bashing-om> Take care lotuspsychje :) .. see ya on my flip :)
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> laterz mate
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: omg..
[07:32] <alkisg> :)
[07:32] <alkisg> Social education is sometimes part of technical support :D
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> jesus
[07:36] <alkisg> OK, I want to report flannel
[07:37] <alkisg> He's helping someone that isn't using ubuntu packages, while discouraging persons that tried to help
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: flannel is an operator
[07:37] <alkisg> Right, and I want to report him
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> ok there is a trigger for that
[07:37] <alkisg> Then, I'll leave #ubuntu for always, but currently I want to report him
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> lemme lookup alkisg
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> !appeal | alkisg
[07:43] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: I've reported it to #ubuntu-ops, where Flannel currently also is
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: genii is the guy you also need to mention this
[07:52] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:55] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - how are you today?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> great here and you ducasse
[07:57] <ducasse> i'm fine, but there's a *ton* of snow outside - the veranda is almost buried :)
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> wow
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> we have rain all week
[08:02] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: https://photos.app.goo.gl/GTujVCNT5nS5ronx1
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> lets c :p
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: wtf!
[08:05] <oerheks> send us some snow!
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> plenty of room there oerheks !
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> roomsoesje
[08:06] <oerheks> sens us some roomsoesjes, yeah
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> https://www.leukerecepten.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/zelfgemaakte_soesjes.jpg
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> they smile at you
[08:11] <ducasse> you can have as much snow as you want, oerheks - drabber would disappear here if you took him for a walk
[08:12] <oerheks> ducasse, i know, this is a dated movie from Pien & Jet ( before Drabber was born)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/varwnie8eih21vh/CIMG0268.AVI?dl=0
[08:12] <oerheks> they loved it
[08:15] <ducasse> looks like they were having fun :)
[08:16] <oerheks> jups, 1st snow since years, but i made a path to the supermarket, before i walked with them
[08:19] <ducasse> today luna wouldn't even go on the veranda, she just climbed out the window and walked a few steps, then backed back inside
[08:31] <lordievader> ducasse: That is quite a bit of snow... can we trade our grey and rainy weather for you snow?
[08:32] <oerheks> yay lordievader, my idea also
[08:33] <oerheks> 10 inch of snow is really good for soil to prepare for the spring
[08:35] <ducasse> lordievader: it's grey here as well, so some snow for some rain seems like a fair deal
[08:36] <lordievader> Hmm... you can keep that grey and rain.
[08:36] <lordievader> We don't want that.
[08:36] <lordievader> 😋
[08:40] <ducasse> on top of this it's supposed to keep snowing heavily all day, maybe longer
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> bbl work guys
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> have a nice day
[08:55] <oerheks> Done some homework, things i miss on a fresh 17.10 install >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26396586/
[08:55] <oerheks> but nautilus does not work, har har
[10:41] <ProDG> hola
[10:41] <ProDG> guys, long time ago i used to run any gui-apps from terminal like @ startx bla-bla-bla
[10:42] <ProDG> how to do it now?
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:43] <oerheks> never been that way with startx
[10:43] <oerheks> don' t run gui aps from terminal, as terinal closes, the apps do too
[10:43] <ProDG> it was
[10:44] <ProDG> about 3-5 years ago i had installed X
[10:45] <ProDG> but used console in common
[10:45] <oerheks> ' startx'  was the way to start the desktop, not a gui-program
[10:45] <ProDG> if i need gui
[10:46] <ProDG> i used @startx chromium-browser              for example
[10:46] <ProDG> and i had chromium only in X
[10:47] <oerheks> sudo service lightdm start
[10:47] <oerheks> and hit ctrl alt F7
[10:47] <ProDG> it will start lightdm
[10:48] <ProDG> but need X directly with app
[10:48] <ProDG> only
[10:51] <ProDG> without any pannels
[10:51] <ProDG> and without menu
[10:52] <oerheks> and what linux was that?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> purist
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hi oerheks
[10:56] <ProDG> ))
[10:56] <oerheks> hi BluesKaj, do you have any essential tools to add? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26396586/
[10:59] <BluesKaj> oerheks, not really, looks like you have the essentials covered
[11:00] <oerheks> thnx
[11:00] <oerheks> there might be more tools, for git, and more for packaging, but i don' t need those
[11:03] <BluesKaj> git is a last resort, for me at leat
[11:03] <BluesKaj> ;east
[11:03] <BluesKaj> oops need more light
[13:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[13:43] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[13:43] <pauljw> hi everyone


[09:59] <helmut> hi. how would I get a list of ubuntu releaes that are both 1) still supported by lts or esm and 2) not merged-/usr? is trusty the oldest esm release? is disco the first release to be merged?
[10:02] <Unit193> `ubuntu-distro-info --supported-esm` says that Trusty is the oldest supported ESM release, as does https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[10:03] <helmut> barring oposition, I will use trusty|utopic|vivid|wily|xenial|yakkety|zesty|artful|bionic|cosmic as list
[10:03] <helmut> that does include some unsupported ones, but I'd rather not break them :)
[13:28] <juliank> That VPS reboot took a while; iot was affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/2036358
[13:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2036358 in systemd (Ubuntu Lunar) "systemd wait-online now times out after jammy and lunar upgrade" [Critical, Fix Committed]
[13:29] <juliank> :D
[13:55] <ueberall> Hi. What exactly does "* Merge with Debian; remaining changes: /- Build from upstream sources." mean for packages with an "ubuntuN" suffix if there is no other list item?
[14:04] <ginggs> ueberall: which package?  but my guess is the Debian package is built from DFSG source, ecluding documentation, and the Ubuntu package is built from upstream's source
[14:11] <ueberall> ginggs: For example gcc (multiple versions in the past, picked this randomly: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-13/13.1.0-1ubuntu1 -- if you compare this to 13.1.0-1 for Debian Sid, just the topmost stanza differs w.r.t. the description)
[14:16] <ginggs> ueberall: yes, Debian does not consider the GNU Free Documentation License free enough to meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines
[14:17] <ginggs> so Debian's gcc-13 source does not include upstream's documentation, but Ubuntu's does
[14:18] <ueberall> ginggs: Ah, I see. That explains it. Thanks!
[14:18] <ginggs> ueberall: yw!


[21:57] <huayra> AliTabuger7: I am checking the analytics data and I can see a great increase in vists to the site
[21:57] <huayra> driven by some blogs, as usual
[21:57] <huayra> :)
[22:02] <AliTabuger7> Yeah, I've been watching it for the last couple days
[22:03] <AliTabuger7> huayra, it's pretty awesome. I hope it lasts at least a week so we can get some good materials out there.
[22:03] <huayra> I will do that blogf post we have been talking about
[22:03] <huayra> we need to update our roadmap in the wiki
[22:04] <huayra> I feel reenergized after the KArmic cycle
[22:04] <huayra> I was a bit undevoted under Jaunty I have to admit...
[22:10] <AliTabuger7> The community is really chipping in on spreadubuntu now
[22:16] <huayra> it really is
[22:17] <huayra> and we have to make it the platform, the epicenter of our community marketing strategy
[22:18] <huayra> and I feel that our marketing community is ready to take it to a new and more serious level


[00:59] <Rastin> Hi
[00:59] <Rastin> I have a question about MAAS
[01:00] <Rastin> does eanyone know the nodes of must must be connected directly to internet? or the use MAAS Server to connect to the internet?
[01:07] <sfeole> Rastin: i just happened to look over here, while trolling through my irc channels,  the nodes to not need to be directly connected to the internet,  They MUST be accessible via the maas cluster where that may be.   You can pass a HTTP / HTTPS proxy to your maas nodes so that they can access the internet, download tools, etc
[01:09] <bigjools> Rastin: they need a little access but it can be via the proxy installed on the region controller
[01:10] <jhobbs> you can run totally offline on MAAS 1.7, but it's not released yet. you do need to setup offine ubuntu archive and image streams mirrors
[01:10] <bigjools> they just download a few packages when installing
[01:10] <bigjools> what jhobbs said :)
[01:11] <Rastin> but i get can not connect to the proxy server error
[01:11] <Rastin> what i missed in network connection of cluster and region controller
[01:11] <Rastin> ?
[01:15] <Rastin> do I have to do some steps in network configuration of Cluster/Region COntroller?
[01:15] <Rastin> The node can not connect to the internet, but MAAS server can
[01:16] <bigjools> unless you're using 1.7, it's best to set up ipforwarding on the maas server
[01:18] <Rastin> i havet to setup ip forwarding?
[08:59] <jtv> allenap: some background on the pserv.yaml-rewrite bug...
[08:59] <jtv> Configuring an IPv6 address there won't work yet, and that's a documented limitation.
[09:00] <jtv> BUT when people do do that and realise their mistake, the bug stops them from reverting.
[09:00] <allenap> jtv: Okay, worth fixing for that then.
[09:01] <jtv> I think so.  I wish it would also magically IPv6-enable provisioning etc, but that's a bridge too far.
[12:22] <mwenning> k2, can you send me the google hangout link?
[12:43] <allenap> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/respawn-cluster-until-it-works--1.7/+merge/238709 is ready to go into Utopic's package branch. It's already been reviewed into trunk, so I'm just looking for a rubber-stamp into 1.7.
[12:45] <rvba> allenap: cool
[12:51] <mburleigh> hello, MaaS newbie question. I have a SuperMicro server that shows a 0 CPU count, 0 MB ram. Where do I start to find out why its not reporting correctly. And does these actually mean anything in regards to deployment?
[13:41] <jhobbs> mburleigh: have you commissioned the node yet?
[14:37] <mburleigh> jhobbs: no, will that re-collect that information?
[14:38] <jhobbs> mburleigh: it will collect the information yes
[14:52] <mburleigh> jhobbs: commissioned and still cpu and mem are 0
[14:53] <mburleigh> and in ready state
[14:54] <jhobbs> mburleigh: that's interesting - what version of MAAS?
[14:54] <mburleigh> i guess commissioning is not completing, because it is still an option for this node. I have two other, different servers that get the information correctly.
[14:54] <jhobbs> mburleigh: you can commission a node multiple times
[14:55] <mburleigh> hmm
[14:55] <jhobbs> mburleigh: is there lshw output in a "Discovery Data" section at the bottom of the node's page?
[14:58] <mburleigh> discovered as a switch, not server ;-)
[15:01] <gmb> allenap: Asked for your thoughts over on https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1382575
[15:04] <jhobbs> gmb: what good are django's transactions if they don't commit prior to returning info to the user?
[15:04] <jhobbs> transactions per request that is
[15:05] <jhobbs> i wonder if claim_sticky_ip is broken the same way
[15:05] <gmb> jhobbs: There are 11 more words in your question than you really needed :)
[15:05] <gmb> jhobbs: That’s entirely possible.
[15:05] <jhobbs> haha
[15:07] <jhobbs> adding a transaction.commit() in node.acquire(), after the save, doesn't fix this
[15:14] <gmb> jhobbs: Arse. Then we probably need to lock the table.
[15:14] <gmb> Or at least the row
[15:14] <gmb> Haven’t done that myself in MAAS before… allenap: any advice?
[15:23] <mburleigh> jhobbs: ok, so the switch info is always there, but there is no additional data (like other servers have), what next?
[15:25] <jhobbs> mburleigh: what version of MAAS is this?
[15:28] <mburleigh> 1.5.4
[15:30] <mburleigh> should I upgrade to 1.7?
[15:31] <jhobbs> no
[15:32] <jhobbs> mburleigh: there should be a link on your node's page: "Commissioning Output"
[15:32] <jhobbs> mburleigh: sorry, it will be something like "8 output files" under the header "Commissioning Output"
[15:32] <jhobbs> mburleigh: can you go there and see if there is lshw output?
[15:36] <mburleigh> doesn't exist, that node only has 6 output files
[15:37] <jhobbs> mburleigh: i don't know then - it sounds like a bug to me - please file one. have you tried deploying to the node?
[15:38] <mburleigh> modaliases contains: dmi:bvnAmericanMegatrendsInc.:bvr2.0:bd01/11/2013:svnSupermicro:p nX9DRi-LN4+/X9DR3-LN4+:pvr0123456789:rvnSupermicro:rnX9DRi-LN4+/X9DR3-LN4+:rvrREV1.20A:cvnSupermicro:ct3:cvr0123456789:
[15:39] <mburleigh> jhobbs: yes, how relavant is the cpu and mem count in maas, besides constraints?
[15:39] <jhobbs> mburleigh: that's all it's used for
[15:40] <mburleigh> ah, good to know. of course I can manually edit these and still constraints, yeS?
[15:40] <mburleigh> still use constraints
[15:40] <jhobbs> mburleigh: yes
[15:40] <mburleigh> thx
[15:43] <allenap> gmb: You could use a new DatabaseXactLock; see maasserver.locks for a hint.
[15:43] <gmb> jhobbs: ^^
[15:44] <gmb> allenap: ta
[15:45] <allenap> gmb, jhobbs: That'll help address this issue, but there are going to be others.
[15:45] <gmb> Oh yes there are
[15:45] <allenap> We need a more general solution.
[15:45] <gmb> Anyway, I’m juggling three conversations here, so let me back out of this one, much as I’d love to be involved.
[15:46] <allenap> Okay.
[16:03] <jhobbs> allenap: yeah, DatabaseXactLock worked


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 question: i wanted to use a timer, and tried both Stopwatch app and Timer app, but both don't handle tne alarm notification right. Stopwatch app doesn't notify at all when the prone is unlocked, and notifies right away when the phone locks. Timer app always notifies right after the start button is pressed.
 is there a setting i should change, or should i file a bug?
 if bug, against what exactly?
 Time used to work correct
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 @YougoChats, There's a bugreport here, but i'm not sure wat the status is https://github.com/ubports/clock-app/issues/32
 Thanks but not quite what I meant though. While it'd be nice to have the feature in the clock core app, there are (at least) two apps in the open store that have a countdown function. One of them I know worked fine on Canonical UT.
 @YougoChats, That's odd. I'm not aware of any changes to the notification system... What app is that?
 Both now have problems it the alarm notification.  Stopwatch's alarm goes off as soon as the phone is locked (app suspension?) and doesn't go off when the time is up
 since both apps have problems with the notification, an at least one was working fine n time ago, I'm inclined to place the bug in the system rather than the apps
 both app's notifications display as calendar notifications, and clicking them opens the agenda app
 Ok, then file it in system, please
 that's really odd
 In timer, when starting the app, switch away, switch back, and then set the timer, the notification works properly
 In Stopwatch the only way to get notification when the time is up, is to set a time, start the clock and immediately lock the phone.
 Which requires inhuman timing
 for me the timer app works if I do not set timers under 1 minute: in that case it goes off quite randomly... BQ E4.5
 @mymike00 wow that consistently works for both the Timer app and Stopwatch app
 funny I've been testing dozens of times, each about 20 seconds because of impatience
 I guess in real life nobody is so busy he can'tstand by for one minute, but stuff like that should work
 Thanks for the feedback, I have a decent idea what to write in the bug now
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/222
 @YougoChats,  RTFM, duly noted.
 but still it shouldn't just end there
 I'll update the bug to mention the alarm API
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