[13:30] <angs> I loaded ubuntu desktop image for beagleboard-xM. when I am connected it through the serial cable, I get this output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064274/ and I have waited more than 30 min, it does not proceed. When I pres the user button, I get the same output from the beginning. If I press the enter during the boot, I get the following output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064278/   . I inserted video cable, mouse, keybord, I do not see any output on the
[13:30] <angs>  monitor. I use 5V, 2.5A power supply to power the board. Can anyone tell me what is my problem
[13:31] <ppisati> angs: your board is not booting at all
[13:32] <ppisati> angs: did you change anuthing in env vars?
[13:34] <angs> sorry, what is env vars?
[13:35] <janimo> ogra_, did you get to test the new 3.1 kernel in the archives?
[13:36] <angs> I downloaded the image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz   the md5sum matches of the downloaded image matches. then I typed     zcat ./ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img.gz |sudo dd bs=4M of=/dev/mmcblk0 ; sudo sync
[13:37] <angs> after loading finishes, I inserted the sd card and powered the board
[13:37] <ogra_> janimo, nope, but i just grabbed my test ac100 from the basement :)
[13:37] <angs> should I load the image again?
[13:38] <ppisati> angs: but your board is not booting at all
[13:38] <ppisati> angs: OMAP3 beagleboard.org #
[13:38] <janimo> ogra_, ok. I did not test the images yet, I thought I will when you're done with the obvious things that you know need fixing
[13:38] <ppisati> angs: this is u-boot prompt
[13:38] <ppisati> angs: what happens if you type boot there?
[13:39] <ogra_> janimo, well, i dont really feel like adding console= and with the new flash-kernel thats not as easy anymore
[13:39] <angs> ppisati: it works fine with the default OS (angstroms dist). when I type boot, it boots and shows the same output that I had before (Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel).
[13:40] <angs> what could be the reason that it does not boot the ubuntu image that I have
[13:42] <ppisati> angs: the image you pasted doesn't show the board booting
[13:43] <ppisati> angs: what does it happend if you insert the sd card and type boot?
[13:44] <angs> ppisati, the sd card is already inserted. should I take it off then insert it again?
[13:44] <ppisati> angs: no! i said "what does is happen if you type "boot"?
[13:45] <angs> when I type boot, it outputs http://pastebin.com/pRXPZHej
[13:46] <angs> it stucks on the last line
[13:48] <ogra_> this looks all fine, but it should move on into the installer from there
[13:48] <ogra_> (given thats a server image)
[13:48] <ppisati> i bet it's resizing
[13:48] <ogra_> well, in fact it should first print some stuff about resizing the partition and *then* reboot
[13:48] <ppisati> angs: what's the size of your sd card?
[13:48] <ogra_> ppisati, it doesnt do that quietly on the server image
[13:49] <ogra_> there is a lot of output by default
[13:49] <ogra_> i assume he doesnt even get through the initrd
[13:49] <angs> 4 GB, I use the SD card that comes with the beagleboard
[13:49] <ogra_> if he reaches that at all
[13:49] <ppisati> angs: ok then
[13:50] <ppisati> angs: mount your ubuntu sd card somewhere
[13:50] <ppisati> angs: the copy *only* the text content of boot.scr in a new file called boot.cmd
[13:51] <ppisati> angs: if the "quiet splash" parameters are presente, remove them (shouldn't be your case though)
[13:51] <ppisati> angs: and add "console=ttyO2,115200"
[13:51] <angs> this is the boot.script > http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064315/
[13:51] <ogra_> they are by default
[13:51] <ppisati> angs: then execute "mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n "Ubuntu 10.10" -d ./boot.cmd ./boot.scr"
[13:52] <ogra_> console is set by default too on the server image
[13:52] <ogra_> so definitely drop the quiet ...
[13:52] <ogra_> splash shouldnt matter on a serial image
[13:52] <ppisati> angs: and copy the new boot.scr over the old one (maybe backup the old one somehwre - you never know)
[13:52] <ppisati> angs: put the sd card back in
[13:52] <ppisati> angs: reboot
[13:55] <angs> ppisati: should I remove the whole line (root=UUID=12093961-64a9-4225-a5a9-2200080a8ab4 fixrtc quiet splash) ?
[13:56] <angs> or (        setenv bootargs ro elevator=noop vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 mpurate=auto root=UUID=12093961-64a9-4225-a5a9-2200080a8ab4 fixrtc quiet splash)
[13:56] <ppisati> angs: just those 2 params
[13:56] <ppisati> angs: and add the console one i told you above
[13:56] <ppisati> brb
[13:57] <angs> ppisati: thank you
[13:57] <angs> should it be fine like this http://pastebin.com/ruzchCa4
[14:13] <ogra_> lool, urgh, flash-kernel is really unhappy on ubuntu-desktop ... we need to add a umount function, the desktop automounting the SD somewhat causes odd results
[14:53] <lool> ogra_: flash-kernel is lower level than the desktop automounting; it would make more sense to fix this in the desktop images surely?
[14:54] <ogra_> lool, well, flash-kernel cant handle it if partitions are mounted while it should imho
[14:54] <ogra_> no matter how the mounting happened
[14:56] <lool> ogra_: it should deal with already mounted partitions fine; I think I had tried it
[14:56] <ogra_> well, i always end up with partitions mounted twice
[14:56] <ogra_> and then flash-kernel quits with an umount error
[14:58] <ogra_> lool, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064425/ .. the prob is that udisk mounts with nosuid nodev and so on ...
[14:59] <lool> ogra_: Ah it's mounted as a different user
[15:00] <ogra_> lool, right, so i think forcing an umount is essential
[15:00] <lool> ogra_: I think we need to find a way to prevent the mounting from happening
[15:01] <ogra_> (i will surely hack back in the hiding of the boot partition, but would like to see that bug fixed nontheless)
[15:01] <lool> either at Ubuntu install time or with some generic rule for this or that devie
[15:01] <lool> device
[15:01] <ogra_> yes, we did that in the old flash-kernel through adding a special LABEL
[15:01] <ogra_> udev then automatically hides it
[15:02] <lool> ogra_: BTW I know why the mv complain (albeit they probably succeed) -- it's because the files can'tbe chown-ed to root -- but I'm still puzzled why umount fails
[15:02] <lool> right, so here you want to avoid the SD card from being automounted in exactly the same way, it should fix the mv warnings and the umount error; I don't understand why umount fails though
[15:03] <ogra_> i dont see any umount in "functions"
[15:03] <ogra_> only for cleanup
[15:06] <ogra_> ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/flash-kernel-3.0~rc.4ubuntu4$ grep -r umount *
[15:06] <ogra_> debian/flash-kernel-installer.postinst:	umount /target/dev || true
[15:06] <ogra_> debian/flash-kernel-installer.postinst:umount /target/dev || true
[15:06] <ogra_> functions:		umount "$boot_mnt_dir"
[15:06] <ogra_> functions:			# if umount fails
[15:07] <ogra_> and cleanups isnt called until we exit
[15:26] <lool> ogra_: cleanups() is run when flash-kernel exits and umounts the /tmp/xyz location where the firmware space was temporarily mounted
[15:26] <lool> ogra_: in the case where this FS is already mounted on the system, a bind-mount is created automatically by mount or by linux and unmount should work just fine
[15:26] <ogra_> right, but there is no umount before it attempts to mount the device to a tempdir
[15:26] <lool> (No idea why it doesn't work there, perhaps due to special mount options)
[15:26] <lool> ogra_: But that's normal
[15:27] <ogra_> hmm
[15:27] <ogra_> i didnt know mount is that clever
[15:27] <lool> ogra_: mount + umount usually works in both cases, whether it's already mounted or not
[15:28] <ogra_> ah, learned something new :)
[15:28] <ogra_> i know i see two mounts, i didnt know the subsequent ones are bind mounts by default
[16:30] <angs> I loaded ubuntu desktop image to another SD card and inserted to another beagleboard-xM rev C1. I have *** Warning - readenv() failed, using default environment     and some error/warnings during boot time then it stucks on the last line http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064586/  has anyone else experienced the same problem?
[16:33] <ogra_> thats exactly the right behavior for ubuntu-desktop
[16:33] <ogra_> after printing that line it switches to the monitor
[16:33] <ogra_> only ubuntu-server doesnt do that
[16:35] <angs> approximately how long do I need to wait to see the monitor output?
[16:35] <angs> did you see any problem on the output that I pasted?
[16:38] <ogra_> no
[16:41] <angs> ok, thank you. So, I will wait some more to see an output
[16:50] <angs> I still have not got any output on the monitor and the line after (Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.   ), is it normal to wait long for the boot procedure?
[16:52] <ogra_> no
[16:54] <angs> is there anything that I can do for it?
[17:02] <ogra_> apart from using an image that does the install on serial you mean ?
[17:09] <angs> I do not have a monitor output and all I can see on the serial output is "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." it seems like it stucked. I guess I do something wrong in the image loading, because the board works fine with the default OS in the image.
[17:10] <ogra_> well, you cant do anything wrong with these images
[17:10] <ogra_> if you use the server image it will immediately show output on serial after the kernel booted
[17:12] <angs> I will load the server image then try it again.
[17:13] <ogra_> are you actually sure thats a beagle XM you have there ?
[17:15] <angs> beagleboard xM is printed on the board and the box. I just bought it couple days ago.
[17:15] <ogra_> ok
[17:17] <GrueMaster> angs: Is your monitor capable of HDMI or DVI-D input?
[17:17] <GrueMaster> Or are you using a dvi-cga converter?
[17:17] <angs> if I am the only one who has problem with it, I should do something wrong
[17:17] <GrueMaster> oops.  vga
[17:17] <angs> I am using hdmi to dvi-d cable
[17:17] <angs> and the monitor has dvi-d port
[17:18] <angs> I am using 5V, 2.5A power supply.
[17:19] <GrueMaster> Ok, that should work, provided the monitor can handle the signal predefined in the kernel boot parameters.  Does your monitor have an info mode that shows incoming signal?
[17:19] <ogra_> GrueMaster, even the preinstalled server images stop for him
[17:19] <ogra_> after unpacking the kernel
[17:19] <GrueMaster> You should see video even if your Beagle is getting power via mUSB.
[17:19] <angs> monitor does not show any signal.
[17:21] <GrueMaster> angs: Do you have a linux desktop/laptop?  Looks like you will need to modify the boot parameters on the SD to see what is happening.
[17:21] <angs> yes I am using ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop
[17:21] <GrueMaster> Before trying that, does it boot the test image that should have come with the board?
[17:22] <angs> GrueMaster: Yes, it boots fine with the image that comes with the SD card (angstrom dist)
[17:22]  * GrueMaster can't remember if they still ship a 1M uSD preloaded or not.
[17:22] <GrueMaster> Ok, excellent.
[17:23] <GrueMaster> So, let's modify the boot image.  On your laptop, put the SD in a card reader.
[17:23] <angs> I am umounting the image before I load the SD image, is it correct to do it? I loaded the server image http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064664/   I am going to boot it
[17:23] <angs> ok thank you
[17:24] <GrueMaster> Yes, unmount the SD before raw writing a new image to it.
[17:24] <GrueMaster> If you haven't started overwriting the SD yet, we can modify the boot parameters to see if we can root out the issue.
[17:25] <angs> I inserted the SD card and umounted it
[17:26] <GrueMaster> Ok, in a terminal, type "sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt" (assuming the SD is mmcblk0)
[17:26] <angs> it is mmcbblk0, I typed the command
[17:27] <GrueMaster> Next, type "sudo dd bs=72 skip=1 if=/mnt/boot.scr of=boot.script"
[17:28] <angs> fdisk and mount outputs if you would like to see > http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064678/
[17:28] <angs> 3+1 records in
[17:28] <angs> 3+1 records out
[17:28] <angs> 284 bytes (284 B) copied, 0.00177282 s, 160 kB/s
[17:28] <GrueMaster> Now you should have a boot.script you can edit.  Remove the "quiet splash" lines and add "console=ttyO2,115200"
[17:30] <angs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1064685/
[17:31] <ogra_> i wonder if the mpurate thing might get in the way
[17:31] <GrueMaster> You need to strip the binary header before editing it (or you can delete it while in the editor).  Hence the dd above.
[17:31] <ogra_> GrueMaster, thats the resulting file ;)
[17:31] <ogra_> it already has console and friends
[17:32] <GrueMaster> Is it?  Looks like he just edited the boot.scr with nano (see pastebin).
[17:32] <GrueMaster> The u-boot header needs to be regenerated.  It is a checksum.
[17:33] <angs> yes  I just edited it with nano
[17:33] <GrueMaster> (hence why you can't just edit a boot.scr file).
[17:35] <GrueMaster> I need to get back to my day job.  Here's the detailed instructions:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/EditBootscr
[17:35] <angs> GrueMaster, ogra_: thank you very much for the help
[17:36] <angs> btw, the server image works fine without any problem
[17:36] <ogra_> oh ?
[17:36] <ogra_> so you get into the installer etc ?
[17:37] <ogra_> on the serial console
[17:37] <angs> yes it asks me the location and time info
[17:37] <ogra_> well, then just run through it ...
[17:37] <ogra_> it will also offer you to install the desktop packages if you want them
[17:37] <angs> cool
[17:38] <angs> thank you :)
[17:48] <angs> what is the default password of the ubuntu image?
[17:48] <angs> log in password
[17:48] <angs> and user name
[17:48] <angs> root@root, admin@admin did not work
[17:50] <GrueMaster> angs: You should see oem-config on the serial console that will walk you through setting up locale and user info.
[17:50] <GrueMaster> (until this is run, there is no default user/password.


[08:11] <kees> !~.
[11:18] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[11:20] <tumbleweed> wejaeger: this is a bad week to get any response, a fair bunch of us are busy at UDS
[11:25] <wejaeger> tumbleweed: ok, no problem, i'm going to try it next week
[11:29] <strycore> hello everyone
[11:31] <strycore> I have a lintian related question about diff-contains-bzr-control-dir (  http://lintian.debian.org/tags/diff-contains-bzr-control-dir.html ). It says that I to pass the -i argument to dpkg-buildpackage. Now I suppose that I have to add this dpkg-buildpackage somewhere in my debian/rules file, right ?
[11:32] <tumbleweed> strycore: build with bzr-builddeb (bzr bd), rather than running debuild in your bzr checkout
[11:47] <strycore> ok, thx tumbleweed
[14:23] <psusi> DMB is in an hour right?
[14:27] <Laney> psusi: yes, but I apologise if we can't get to you — I think we ought to process those at UDS in person first
[14:27] <Laney> (unless you are here ...)
[14:29] <psusi> nope, I'm not there ;(
[14:29] <Laney> we'll do our best :-)
[15:16] <Laney> geser: are you going to attend the DMB meeting?
[15:21] <geser> Laney: no, as I leave work in around 10 minutes and will be at home at 5pm
[15:21] <Laney> ok
[16:25] <aboudreault> Does anyone aware of a PPA that contains debhelper 8 for hardy?
[16:55] <stlsaint> paultag: HEYO
[16:55] <stlsaint> opps
[16:55] <paultag> heh
[19:02] <aboudreault> Do I need debhelper 8 to use source format 3 ?
[19:02] <paultag> nope
[19:03] <paultag> 7 handles it great
[19:03] <aboudreault> ok
[19:15] <jtaylor> when a bug is fixed by a simple rebuild do I need to make a debdiff for the sponsor? I guess he can do it himself just as fast as checking and applying the diff would take
[19:22] <geser> jtaylor: I'd say it depends on your sponsor, but it's usual if you request sponsorship through the sponsorship queue
[19:22] <geser> jtaylor: what do you need rebuild?
[19:22] <jtaylor> python-fltk
[19:22] <jtaylor> natty
[19:23] <geser> that would be a SRU as natty is released
[19:23] <jtaylor> yes
[19:25] <geser> jtaylor: I guess it's about bug 779340? do you have a fix for oneiric?
[19:25] <jtaylor> no but I forwared it to the debian maintainer
[19:26] <jtaylor> so if he reacts it will probably get it automatically
[19:26] <jtaylor> and for a SRU a rebuild is probably preferable to a patch
[19:27] <geser> I guess it too
[19:28] <geser> but it's a requirement for a SRU that it's first fixed in oneiric (so we don't get a regression because it got forgotten to fix it in the next Ubuntu release)
[19:29] <jtaylor> In this case one can ignore this rule, it can't regress more than not working at all
[19:30] <jtaylor> it also has no rdeps
[19:30] <geser> but if we fix it in natty it works there again but stops working again when upgrading to oneiric (assumed that it gets forgotten to get fixed there too)
[19:30] <jtaylor> hm ok I see the point
[19:31] <jtaylor> I'll wait for debian maintainer reaction then
[19:32] <Laney> well actually, the version in -proposed will be copied to oneiric by the sru publishing script
[19:32] <Laney> as they currently have the same version in n and o
[19:33] <geser> do the AA still do it that way and not only during the early days of a new release? (I don't do SRUs that often)
[19:33] <Laney> I think it's done in general
[19:34] <Laney> should confirm with one of them though
[19:36] <geser> Laney: in this case it also depends on the solution to fix the bug: a rebuild won't work in oneiric, only when we apply a patch it could get copied to oneiric
[19:39] <geser> jtaylor: you could also try to contact DktrKranz or porthose (both did the recent uploads of python-fltk) to let them know that a fix might be needed to move on with the SRU
[19:59] <jtaylor> sry had to leave for a while, thanks for the advice
[19:59] <aboudreault> debhelper 7 ---> dpkg-source: error: Unsupported format of .dsc file (3.0 (quilt))
[20:00] <aboudreault> 3.0 quilt is not supported with version 7 ?
[20:00] <jtaylor> yes it is
[20:00] <jtaylor> whats in debian/source/format?
[20:00] <aboudreault> jtaylor, "3.0 (quilt)"
[20:01] <geser> aboudreault: you need a dpkg that supports v3 source packages, IIRC there exists a backport for hardy somewhere
[20:01] <aboudreault> ha
[20:05]  * aboudreault is looking for that backport...
[20:13] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad/+archive/obsolete?field.series_filter=hardy may have the dpkg you want, if you are running hardy, though it has a number of other packages for hardy
[20:14] <aboudreault> ajmitch, sounds good ... thanks!
[20:59] <stlsaint> nigelb: poke
[20:59] <nigelb> stlsaint: pong
[20:59] <stlsaint> nigelb: Hi
[20:59] <nigelb> hello
[20:59] <stlsaint> nigelb: lol, just saying whats up, havent spoke to ya in some months
[21:00] <nigelb> stlsaint: yeah, I'm at UDS, loads of fun today :)
[21:07] <stlsaint> nigelb: im jealous
[21:08] <nigelb> stlsaint: heh
[21:19] <ajmitch> nigelb: anything interesting at uds today?
[21:20] <nigelb> ajmitch: well, I was a very good session about having a portal where you can see everything that's on the software center
[21:23]  * ajmitch was hoping to see some of the notes on etherpad, but something seems to have died there :)
[21:25] <Laney> the trolls got us
[21:25] <ajmitch> uh oh
[21:25] <ajmitch> not requiring a lp or other openid login for etherpad?
[21:26] <nigelb> we're landing a fix that'll make the etherpad url sort of changeable
[21:26] <nigelb> and we can link to a particular rev of etherpad
[21:26] <ajmitch> so ther etherpad server was taken down overnight?
[21:27] <lifeless> nigelb: synaptic-for-the-web?
[21:27] <nigelb> will be back up soon :)
[21:27] <nigelb> lifeless: its more like a catalogue
[21:27] <nigelb> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-webcatalog/+spec/desktop-o-software-center-web
[21:28] <ajmitch> more like steam's website?
[21:28] <nigelb> does it let you click there and install to your computer?
[21:28] <nigelb> (I think these are going to be apturls)
[21:28] <ajmitch> I believe so, I haven't installed anything except through the steam app (on wine) for awhile
[21:29] <nigelb> ah
[21:29] <ajmitch> I think it works in the same way, by a steam:// url
[21:30] <nigelb> ajmitch: so, then that's how it'll look
[21:30] <nigelb> and probably designed to be visually similar to software center per se
[21:32] <ajmitch> so once that part is done, you just need to decide whether the whole archive is made available & then some?
[21:33]  * ajmitch thanks whoever has put up the keynote talk on youtube
[21:33] <nigelb> ajmitch: yeah
[21:33] <nigelb> I wish etherpad was up to show you the notes
[21:35]  * ajmitch might read them this evening, when the tuesday sessions are starting
[21:35] <nigelb> :)


[02:51] <yingjun> hi, is it possible to config the local launchpad to use an external openid provider other than the test one?
[02:51] <yingjun> anyone?
[02:51] <yingjun> help
[10:21] <nerochiaro> hi everyone, i need a bit of help with git support in lp. I cloned the repo for a project (which I don't own) and i want to submit a merge proposal to it following the instructions here: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git -- when I try to do "git remote add origin lp:~myname/projectname" it tells me "fatal: origin already exists". What does  that mean ?
[10:54] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/~cloudware/+livefs/ubuntu/xenial/cpc/+build/49488 doesn't look like it's getting queued; I thought I had asked #webops to do all the right +admin and +edit things, but I must have missed a step.
[10:55] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Could you take a look (at your leisure) and let me know what I missed out so I can amend my documentation? :)
[10:56] <Odd_Bloke> nerochiaro: So git supports multiple remotes, which are remote git repositories that it knows about and will fetch information about.
[10:57] <Odd_Bloke> nerochiaro: 'origin' is the default remote, and is configured by git when you do the git clone.
[10:57] <Odd_Bloke> nerochiaro: So at the moment origin will be pointing at the project's repo.
[10:57] <Odd_Bloke> nerochiaro: You can either edit .git/config in your repository to modify that, or you can run 'git remote rm
[10:57] <Odd_Bloke> Sorry.
[10:58] <Odd_Bloke> nerochiaro: 'git remote rm origin' to get to a point with no remotes.
[11:06] <nerochiaro> Odd_Bloke: I managed to get things working for now by pushing my branch directly with  git push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:07] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Oh, that build now looks like it is getting queued; did you change anything or was I just being impatient?
[11:07] <Odd_Bloke> nerochiaro: :)  You could now 'git remote add me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you wanted.
[11:08] <nerochiaro> Odd_Bloke: oh, i see, that makes sense.
[11:08] <nerochiaro> Odd_Bloke: thanks
[11:09] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[11:57] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I didn't touch anything
[11:57] <cjwatson> (late start today)
[12:00] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Ack; sorry for the false alarm. :)
[13:06] <jonathon> Hi! I'm having issues building a QT5 package [1] - it appears to be trying to build debug symbols (and failing), no matter the PPA [2] settings. I'm missing something but don't know what... [1]  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234811300/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.qtmultimedia-opensource-src_5.4.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1york3_BUILDING.txt.gz [2] https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/qt5test
[13:08] <cjwatson> jonathon: That's unrelated to debug symbols.  The .symbols file is an ABI manifest
[13:08] <cjwatson> jonathon: See dpkg-gensymbols(1), deb-symbols(5)
[13:10] <jonathon> Ah, now that's interesting: "Furthermore if the difference
[13:10] <jonathon>        is too significant, it will even fail (you can customize how much difference you can tolerate, see the -c option)."
[13:10] <cjwatson> jonathon: The added symbols are only a warning (unless you pass a -c<number> option to change it, but you haven't done so here); the bit that's an error is what appears after "dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some symbols or patterns disappeared in the symbols file: see diff output below"
[13:10] <cjwatson> jonathon: well, in fact, only the one symbol that's disappeared
[13:10] <cjwatson> - _ZTV28QSGVideoNodeFactoryInterface@Base 5.3.0-1ubuntu2
[13:10] <cjwatson> +#MISSING: 5.4.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1york3# _ZTV28QSGVideoNodeFactoryInterface@Base 5.3.0-1ubuntu2
[13:11] <cjwatson> Which c++filt says is "vtable for QSGVideoNodeFactoryInterface@Base"
[13:12] <cjwatson> You can do something like this to ignore it if you're absolutely sure that's what you want to do:
[13:12] <cjwatson> override_dh_makeshlibs:
[13:12] <cjwatson>         dh_makeshlibs -- -c0
[13:12] <cjwatson> But it's usually better to investigate why it's failing, and -c0 would definitely raise eyebrows in a package targeted at the primary archive (which I realise this isn't)
[13:15] <jonathon> Thank you - that's helpful :)
[13:15] <jonathon> I'll try the "-c0" approach, I only need these packages as build-deps at the moment
[17:35] <ari-tczew> hello
[17:35] <ari-tczew> can anyone point me up, how to fix a bug about failed to upload @ PPA? kraft-dbgsym_0.59-1~ppa01_i386.deb: control file lists name as 'kraft-dbgsym', which isn't in changes file.
[17:37] <maxb> If you're uploading to PPAs, you shouldn't be uploading .deb files at all
[17:38] <ari-tczew> maxb: I didn
[17:38] <ari-tczew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14591375/
[17:39] <ari-tczew> there were no .deb files uploaded.
[17:40] <maxb> Maybe grep your .changes and .dsc for 'dbgsym' ?
[17:44] <ari-tczew> maxb: there is nothing about dbgsym
[17:44] <maxb> then I have no idea
[17:46] <bdmurray> Why is changes file url empty for https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcepub/5018924?
[17:48] <maxb> The version implies it could be a sync from Debian, in which case it seems natural that there would be no changes file?
[17:51] <bdmurray> Oh, the build interface says "Will be None if the build was imported by Gina." but doesn't for spph.
[17:56] <dobey> ari-tczew: what ppa?
[17:56] <ari-tczew> dobey: https://launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+packages / kraft
[17:59] <dobey> ari-tczew: ok, make a bug against launchpad project in launchpad then i guess
[18:03] <cjwatson> one sec
[18:04] <ari-tczew> dobey: done, bug 1536744
[18:05] <cjwatson> I don't think it's an LP bug, but I guess I'll reply in the bug now
[18:08] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: thanks for your time
[18:18] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: replied in the bug, but for the record in this channel, that was due to building with a buggy version of debhelper, since fixed; retries succeed
[18:21] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: Indeed. debhelper has been merged yesterday. does it mean that we have in xenial enabled autotools-dev as default?
[18:21] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: dunno
[18:21] <cjwatson> you could check :)
[18:22] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: there is something in the changelog:
[18:22] <ari-tczew>   * dh_update_autotools_config: New helper to update config.sub
[18:22] <ari-tczew>     and config.guess.
[18:22] <ari-tczew>   * dh: Run dh_update_autotools_config before dh_auto_configure.
[18:23] <ari-tczew>     (Closes: #733045)
[18:23] <ari-tczew>   * d/control: Add dependency on autotools-dev for the new
[18:23] <ari-tczew>     dh_update_autotools_config tool.
[18:24] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: I get that, but you now know as much as I do


[02:57] <RohithKalavachar> Ok
[02:57] <RohithKalavachar> Thnxs fit the help.
[02:57] <RohithKalavachar> Tnxs for the help.
[13:20] <idk973[m]> Hi everyone. Is somebody been able to make the x32 edit program work with the x32 behringer console?
[14:28] <RohithKalavachar> i have why?


[00:57] <edve98> wxl: are workspaces are called desktops in Lubuntu? I'm trying to file a bug report and I'm not sure how to call them
[01:02] <wxl> edve98: yeah it kind of alternates between the two different forms of parlance
[01:24] <edve98> wxl: another thing. I am required to complete all test cases for "Complete a Lubuntu Desktop i386 test suite (Ubuntu)" task, right?
[01:25] <wxl> edve98: yes. there's a similar set of tasks that have to do with completing test*cases*, but this is about doing the whole test*suite*, i.e. the entire set of test cases for that particular combination of image/architecture
[01:26] <edve98> ok, just making sure I understand everything correctly :P
[01:57] <jose> edve98: btw, bugs can be marked as 'wishlist' on their importance level
[01:59] <fazer> balloons, hey you here?
[01:59] <fazer> balloons, Are there going to be any more autopilot test writing tasks?
[02:02] <edve98> jose: so feature requests should be marked as such and also marked as "wishlist" on importance level?
[02:02] <jose> edve98: yep!
[02:03] <edve98> joe: good to know I guess :P
[02:03] <wxl> edve98: i should mention you must be part of Bug Control to change the importance tho https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[02:04] <jose> oh, yes, depending on the team you have to have certain access level
[02:04] <wxl> but i'm on Bug Control if you need help, edve98. you can ping me and others on #ubuntu-bugs
[02:05] <edve98> I see
[02:13] <edve98> wxl: Is it bad if I forgot to set "in progress" for all of the test cases that I did? (and why I am at all required to do so?)
[02:17] <wxl> edve98: it's good to do it, but not a requirement
[02:19] <edve98> wxl: can you please explain what does that give? I don't really understand that
[02:21] <wxl> edve98: let's say we were doing some last minute testing and we needed to run a quick test on every image. this way every tester could see if someone's already working on the image they selected.
[02:23] <edve98> oh I see. That could actually be very useful then
[02:23] <wxl> it's a rare circumstance but it happens
[02:29] <edve98> wxl: btw, task want's me to give a link to my report. Is this the one? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109726/testcases (I mean, you can definitely see my work from there, but there might be something else/more convienient)
[02:30] <wxl> edve98: yes
[02:31] <edve98> wxl: I hope I am not bugging you too much with all these questions :P
[02:31] <wxl> edve98: nope that's what i'm here for :)
[02:32] <wxl> for that matter you're totally welcome to continue your contributions to ubuntu after gci edve98 XD
[02:34] <edve98> oh yeah, I'm definitely going to do that :D. I just want to get used to all this stuff and learn it as it is... well... very new to me :D
[02:34] <wxl> edve98: i'd be more than happy to answer any question you have, whether it relate to irc or not. do not hesitate to ping me
[02:35] <wxl> edve98: and if you want to continue helping out lubuntu qa, come join us at #lubuntu-devel!
[02:35] <wxl> edve98: we also have #lubuntu-offtopic if you just want to chat :)
[02:37] <edve98> wxl: well, I think it's enough for me for today, but I'll definitely have to come there tomorrow! :P (just to clear this up first: is #lubuntu-devel only for qa? "devel" sounds a bit more vague :D )
[02:38] <wxl> edve98: mostly qa, but also development, both programmatic and within the project
[02:40] <edve98> ok, I'm going off to get some sleep. See ya (hopefully) tomorrow wxl!
[02:41] <wxl> ta edve98. thanks for all your help!
[02:41] <edve98> ^^
[04:47] <MatthewAllen> Can I mentor please tell me how many tasks 1st and second have completed?
[15:15] <balloons> MatthewAllen2, not sure we know offhand
[15:45] <balloons> MatthewAllen, are you keen to know where you stand? :-)
[15:45] <MatthewAllen> balloons, yes please :)
[15:45] <balloons> jose, ping
[15:47] <balloons> MatthewAllen, let me see what I can do
[15:49] <balloons> MatthewAllen, I'll give you one guess as to who is first
[15:49] <xcub> MatthewAllen, https://github.com/nemesiscodex/codein-chrome-leaderboard can give you your position, but you must ask a mentor to do it :)
[15:49] <balloons> xcub, I just did it.. You are number 7 :-)
[15:50] <balloons> and MatthewAllen is #1
[15:50] <MatthewAllen> balloons, I know as of 3 days ago I was first
[15:50] <balloons> I think I could probably publish this; even though it won't be realtime
[15:50] <MatthewAllen> I was curious to know if second was overtaking me because I was inactive for a few days
[15:50] <balloons> malevasquez is #2.
[15:52]  * balloons formats and posts
[16:02] <balloons> http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/gcileaderboard.html
[16:09] <kenvandine> balloons, is that based just on the number of tasks?  or does it account for the duration of tasks some how?
[16:10] <balloons> kenvandine, it's based solely on the number of tasks
[16:10] <kenvandine> thought so
[17:35] <jose> balloons: pong, sorry, just woke up
[18:30] <malevasquez> Hey!
[18:30] <malevasquez> I just wanted to know what would you consider to be 'high quality' work?
[18:31] <malevasquez> As in the Code-In FAQ is says that it the quality of the work is important
[18:39] <balloons> malevasquez, hey :-) Speaking personally, going above and beyond the task is a good way to stand out.
[18:40] <balloons> Asking for more tasks, hanging out on IRC, helping other students are also things I would look at
[18:42] <balloons> Quality is hard to quantify, but in general a mentor can tell when a student is doing more than the bare minimum of the task. I guess it's hard to give an example. Impressing your mentor is a sure sign you've done amazing work
[18:43] <malevasquez> Thank you for answering balloons
[18:43] <malevasquez> :)
[18:45] <balloons> MatthewAllen, I'm trying to merge your branches for the qatracker and then we'll do a prod push so everything will be live
[18:45] <balloons> :-)
[18:46] <MatthewAllen> balloons, awesome!
[18:48] <MatthewAllen> I'm hopping off shortly, gotta go to bed - it's 5:20AM atm :/
[18:48] <wxl> MatthewAllen: you need anything before hitting the sack?
[18:48] <MatthewAllen> wxl, I'm all good - submitted what I'm doing for today
[18:48] <wxl> MatthewAllen: i've got some other fires to put out but i'll review that before you wake up XD
[18:49] <MatthewAllen> wxl, hahaha - too easy, I won't need it done for like 24 hours, I'm busy tommorow night - so take your time
[18:49] <wxl> MatthewAllen: okie dokie. thanks again for your help!!
[21:15] <mcintireevan> Wow, mad respect to those who have done all those tasks, I admit I could have done a few more by now but school is pretty brutal as a senior :')
[21:16] <mcintireevan> BTW, balloons, this is super early to ask, but are you all probably going to do GCI again next year? I'd love to come back as a mentor
[21:16] <balloons> mcintireevan, we'd love to have you. As of now, I would love to do it agian
[21:16] <knome> i guess it really depends on the community involvement *cough*
[21:17] <mcintireevan> Awesome! This is the first time I've really liked contributing in open source stuff, aside from open sourcing my old code, and I'd love to help more people get into it
[21:18] <knome> fortunately there are ways to let people know about contributing even between contests like this :)
[21:19] <balloons> indeed, no reason you'll have to stop afterwards. And yes knome, I can only speak for myself in wanting to do it again
[21:19] <knome> balloons, fwiw, in this case i, and many more, likely wouldn't count you as "community", sorry >:)
[21:47] <jose> mcintireevan: are you in the US?
[21:48] <mcintireevan> jose: Yup, east coast
[21:48] <jose> mcintireevan: oh :( we're having a summit on the west coast
[21:50] <mcintireevan> jose: Ah darn, makes sense though, Silicon Valley and all
[21:50] <jose> well, we're hosting it alongside with the southern california linux expo
[21:53] <mcintireevan> Very cool! What are the summits like? I've never been to anything of the sort before
[21:54] <jose> ubucon.org has more information
[21:54] <jose> though it's mostly discussion about what's coming up and some talks about what's happening
[21:57] <mcintireevan> So it's kinda like a big conference type thing, like how google has io and such?
[21:57] <knome> the number one thing i'd mention about summits and stuff like that is that they are a great opportunity to meet people
[21:57] <knome> and in the best situation, increase productivity by miles
[21:57] <knome> ...at least during the summit
[21:59] <mcintireevan> Yeah I can imagine, I have high hopes for college in the same regard, I know the place I want to go has a very large and good CS program, and I know there are multiple hackathons a year, in contrast at my school where there is sadly very little interest in programming
[22:22] <ahayzen> mcintireevan, for the fastscroll label stuff... try doing anchors { left: parent.left; leftMargin: units.gu(1); right: parent.right; verticalCenter: parent.verticalCenter }
[22:24]  * ahayzen notes how hard it is to write center not centre :')
[22:27] <mcintireevan> ahayzen: Okay, I'll try it out!
[22:27] <ahayzen> :-)
[22:27] <mcintireevan> And haha yeah I get thrown off when libraries use colour instead of color
[22:29] <mcintireevan> ahayzen: It looks great now, I'll commit the change!
[22:30] <ahayzen> mcintireevan, sweet :-)
[22:31] <mcintireevan> Though I just noticed a bug with this, if you long press something the catagory headers are also selectable
[22:31] <ahayzen> mcintireevan, haha uhoh
[22:32] <wxl> balloons popey jose i have an instance that ran out of time but i'd like to give the user more time. is there any way to bring ti back?
[22:32] <ahayzen> that should probably be commented in the MP, incase we decide to use this
[22:32] <balloons> wxl, they just have to reclaim
[22:32] <jose> wxl: have a link?
[22:32] <wxl> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4799261526982656/?sp-page=1
[22:32] <mcintireevan> I can roughly figure why, if I have time Ill look into it, but I'll leave a comment and a screenshot on the MP
[22:32] <ahayzen> mcintireevan, thanks :-)
[22:33] <mcintireevan> ahayzen, my pleasure :)
[22:33] <wxl> i wish we got a warning that time was running out
[22:34] <ahayzen> mcintireevan, hopefully we'll have the SDK scrollbars to play about with soon, then we'll be able to figure out whether to use them or fastscroll or a bit of both :-)
[22:41] <mcintireevan> ahayzen: Awesome!


[02:02] <chris______> can someone please help me? I am trying to get pandora on my blackberry to go into my laptop and out to my usb speakers.
[02:02] <chris______> I know you guys are the audio cable masters
[02:05] <chris______> can someone tell me how to use jackEQ? that kinda looks like something I might find useful...
[02:07] <_pg_> can someone please help me? I am trying to get pandora on my blackberry to go into my laptop and out to my usb speakers. I know you guys are the audio cable masters can someone tell me how to use jackEQ? that kinda looks like something I might find useful, but it doesnt seem to do anything when i try to open it...
[02:13] <_pg_> how can i play sound thru mic in in ubuntu?
[10:58] <plotino> hi
[10:58] <plotino> i got a problem with jack
[10:59] <plotino> in ubuntu studio
[10:59] <plotino> i cant get jack to start after selecting my SB LIve 5+1 as interface
[16:41] <drumhead> Problem trying to get JACK to start (Ubuntu 10.4, FP10, Firewire card), have installed libfreebob0, but am getting "jackd: unknown driver 'freebob'". I want JACKD to recognize the freebob driver
[16:41] <drumhead> Help?
[23:40] <anthony__> hi all
[23:41] <anthony__> Im looking to get some help with an installation problem im having


[02:18] <iGotNoTime> is there any Xen work being done by the (ed)(k)ubuntu teams?
[07:31] <highvoltage> hi ogra
[07:32] <highvoltage> ogra: what do you think about stories like this: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/16/1954251.shtml
[07:32] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: ugh
[07:32] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: my sentiments exactly :)
[07:33] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: they had a big thing in the tectonic magazine about how 'cool' automatix is :/
[07:34] <Burgundavia> silc wrote a similar script
[07:34] <Burgundavia> there is a need
[07:34] <Burgundavia> in fact, the silc script basically did the same thing as automatix
[07:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[07:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: pongo
[07:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am here today btw... in case you have nice shiny stuff to show me :) (or new music for my MP3 player - or what have you... )
[07:54] <JaneW> pongo is an ex collegue of mine :) (named after a gorilla in a joke)
[08:01] <highvoltage> :)
[08:01] <highvoltage> JaneW: will you still be here at 13:00? i have a a meeting that's more or less the whole morning
[08:05] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes till after 16:00
[08:53] <sivang> howdy folks
[08:55] <highvoltage> howdy!
[12:03] <highvoltage> strange. i've bought my computer from home to work today, and the exact noises that my computer make, makes me feel more at home
[12:45] <JaneW> highvoltage: GEEK
[01:12] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[01:42] <JaneW> thanks highvoltage :)
[01:44] <ogra> what do you guys think of dropping firefox in favor of epiphany ?
[01:44] <ogra> it could probably gain us a lot of space
[01:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: np
[01:44] <highvoltage> ogra: i actually considered it yesterday :)
[01:45] <JaneW> ogra: er can we do that?
[01:45] <ogra> i'll try to get that running ...
[01:45] <JaneW> and should we?
[01:45] <highvoltage> ogra: i personally think it would be a good idea, although firefox has a huge following
[01:45] <JaneW> it goes against ubuntu default
[01:45] <highvoltage> ogra: it does support flash, JRE, etc, right?
[01:45] <ogra> JaneW, there is no difference in functionallity
[01:45] <ogra> yep
[01:45] <highvoltage> how much space does it save?
[01:46] <ogra> the space we'd save is not through dropping firefox, but through dropping the ff translations
[01:46] <highvoltage> ogra: then drop evolution too, while you're at it :)
[01:46] <ogra> in favor of what ?
[01:46] <ogra> i see no valid replacement ...
[01:47] <highvoltage> is thunderbird not smaller than evolution?
[01:47] <JaneW> highvoltage: NO
[01:47] <ogra> nope
[01:47] <highvoltage> although that goes against ubuntu again :/
[01:47] <JaneW> you'd lose me as a user
[01:47] <ogra> and waaay bigger on the CD
[01:47] <highvoltage> ok :)
[01:47] <ogra> the mozilla products all have extra language packages
[01:47] <highvoltage> most schools i've seen doesn't use an e-mail client
[01:47] <ogra> these eat a lot of space
[01:48] <highvoltage> they just use web interfaces
[01:48] <ogra> the epiphany translations for example are contained in the gnome language packs anyway
[01:49] <ogra> i'll change the seeds and do some tests the next days to figure what we'd really gain through a switch ...
[01:49] <ogra> if its significant, i'd go for dropping ff
[01:49] <highvoltage> ogra: i was just talking to jane, could we also replace that folder icon on the edutainment menu to something else?
[01:50] <ogra> sure, i'll have to make some icon theme related stuff anyway to get the logo into the menu
[01:50] <ogra> got an icon for me that fits there ?=
[01:50] <JaneW> ogra: yay thanks
[01:51] <JaneW> ogra: a school/education related thing would be nice
[01:51] <highvoltage> ogra: more or less, JaneW made some suggestions, i'll get you one before the end of the weekend
[01:51] <ogra> i fear we wont be able to change the "about ubuntu" text in the menu
[01:51] <ogra> its not configurable ...
[01:51] <highvoltage> ogra: we have that chalkboardy pic we can scale down, and jane also suggested an apple
[01:51] <ogra> and probably to late for a patch
[01:51] <ogra> an apple ?
[01:52] <ogra> only if they dont sue us then ;)
[01:52] <highvoltage> ogra: it looks 'educationally'
[01:52] <highvoltage> ogra: lol
[01:52] <highvoltage> ogra: well, there *will* be a PPC version ;)
[01:52] <ogra> heh
[01:52] <ogra> even one for intel macs by the looks of it
[01:53] <highvoltage> ogra: the default firefox/epiphany page, I think it would be nice if it matched the Edubuntu website with regards to theming
[01:53] <ogra> yep
[01:53] <highvoltage> ogra: would we be able to do that? it might cost +/- 300KB
[01:53] <ogra> but thats stuff we can still change after apr 20th ...
[01:53] <ogra> there is no hurry for artwork stuff now that the schedule is longe
[01:53] <highvoltage> nice, so is it definate that the release is postponed? i missed a bit.
[01:53] <ogra> r
[01:53] <ogra> yep
[01:54] <ogra> was decided on wednesday
[01:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: this too lame? http://webclipart.about.com/od/special/l/blgrad1.htm
[01:54] <ogra> license ?
[01:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: the license won't work for us: http://webclipart.about.com/library/weekly/blterms.htm
[01:55] <JaneW> blah! :/
[01:55] <ogra> and we had the discussion about the hat already i think ...
[01:56] <ogra> doing something with the chalkboard would be fine ...
[01:58] <JaneW> ogra: what happened to the idea of an edubuntu DVD?
[02:00] <ogra> we have one ... since breezy
[02:04] <highvoltage> this is a kde icon, i think gpl licensed: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/edu.png
[02:36] <ogra> lol
[02:37] <ogra> i was thinking about starting to use tomboy and keep a phrase collection for copy paste ;)
[02:38] <highvoltage> :)
[02:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: i like that icon!
[02:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: kewl
[02:40] <JaneW> ogra: sorry...
[02:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: the ogra-bot is a good idea +++
[02:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: when i get my bandwidth at home back, i'll add the bot to the channel and call it edubuntugirl
[02:41] <highvoltage> :)
[02:41] <JaneW> heh
[03:06] <guim> hi all
[03:06] <guim> just a question, to anyone who can answer
[03:06] <guim> is there a way top get edubuntu CD's (just like ubuntu) to distribute?
[03:07] <ogra> its planned for dapper to have a limited amount on shipit.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <ogra> but not 100% agreed yet
[03:07] <guim> in the context of our project : Claroline we organise an event (http://accu.claroline.net) I thought about giving some to the people there
[03:07] <guim> oh ok ogra
[03:08] <ogra> we dont have it for breezy, sorry ...
[03:11] <guim> our event is on 22 and 23 of may
[03:11] <guim> so this is possible with dapper for us
[03:11] <guim> and even quiet nice, as we would diffuse a recent version
[03:12] <ogra> dapper will release on june 1st ...
[03:12] <guim> dapper EDUbuntu ?
[03:12] <ogra> dapper
[03:12] <guim> ok, bad luck for us then
[03:12] <ogra> all dapper variants ...
[03:12] <guim> i was misconfusing date of release of ubuntu with edubunth
[03:13] <guim> all?
[03:13] <ogra> yes
[03:13] <guim> ok the date was changed recently
[03:13] <ogra> yep
[03:13] <guim> ok
[03:13] <ogra> agreed on on wednesday
[03:13] <guim> bad luck for us: we could have given this CD to about 100 persons (we hope!) from educationnal contexts
[03:14] <ogra> :(
[03:18] <guim> I'll ask Mark Shuttleworth to change the date for us, so that we could get the cd's on time :)
[03:18] <guim> sur he could do that
[03:18] <JaneW> guim: good luck wuth that!
[03:18] <guim> ;-)
[03:20] <ogra> heh
[03:30] <highvoltage> ogra: s/shipit.ubuntu.com/shipit.edubuntu.org :)
[03:30] <highvoltage> (from what i've heard)
[03:30] <ogra> really o_O
[03:30] <ogra> WOW
[03:33] <highvoltage> bye edubuntero's. have a good weekend!
[03:33] <guim> oh...
[03:33] <guim> I was about to ask him , what did he mean with shipit.edubuntu.org? is that really planned?
[03:33] <ogra> seems like
[03:34] <guim> nice
[03:34] <ogra> :)
[04:16] <iGotNoTime> Hello friends :)
[05:11] <seanh> Hello! Quick question, I'm running Ubuntu, if I install the package edubuntu-desktop, can I then choose between Ubuntu and Edubuntu at login?
[05:11] <ogra> nope
[05:11] <seanh> d'oh!
[05:12] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop makes a edubuntu desktop of your ubuntu-desktop ...
[05:12] <seanh> So I need to install it as a seperate OS, with its own partitions and everything?
[05:12] <seanh> well, good job I asked U suppose
[05:13] <ogra> you *can* install edubuntu-desktop, have a second account and undo the artwork changes for this user ...
[05:13] <ogra> but there is no way to select between ubuntu/edubuntu on login ... edubuntu modifies the system defaults
[05:14] <seanh> ok... so basically edubuntu will bring in a bunch of education-related packages, and will alter system defaults relating to artwork?
[05:14] <ogra> for the -desktop part, yes
[05:16] <seanh> and the server and live packages?
[05:16] <ogra> the live package only contains liveCD specific stuff
[05:16] <ogra> nothing you should install on a running system
[05:17] <ogra> and the -server package depends on the server parts of edubuntu
[05:18] <seanh> What server stuff does edubuntu do? Is it a thin-client thing?
[05:18] <ogra> yep
[05:18] <ogra> ltsp and schooltool ...
[05:19] <ogra> but note that the setup thats done by the edubuntu installer will have to be done manually if you want to use it on top of  astandard ubuntu
[05:19] <seanh> Right.... so schooltool is a like a school-wide calendering tool that you can access from anywhere in the school network?
[05:20] <ogra> yep
[05:20] <seanh> I was just curious about installing it on my Ubuntu machine to take a look at it, not to actually setup a network with it
[05:20] <ogra> then -desktop is all you want
[05:21] <seanh> Right... except it'll mess with my ubuntu settings, so it might just leave it until I can install Edunbuntu directly somewhere
[05:22] <ogra> i meeses with the system defaults, not your user settings ;)
[05:22] <seanh> Do you know how many people are working on Edubuntu, roughly? Has it been deployed anywhere? I saw photos of a test deployment or something on the website
[05:22] <ogra> and uninstalling edubuntu-artwork and edubuntu-artwork-usplash will revert the settings changes
[05:22] <seanh> Oh I see, so my current user will be untouched, that might be okay
[05:23] <ogra> there is a bunch of people working on edubuntu, distro develpment is mainly done by me ...
[05:25] <seanh> and it has sponsorship from Ubuntu?
[05:25] <ogra> yep
[05:25] <ogra> rather from canonical ...
[05:26] <ogra> and there are several running setups of edubuntu in schools out there already ...
[05:26] <ogra> (to answer the deployment question :) )
[05:27] <seanh> How has the feedback from schools been?
[05:27] <ogra> where we get it, its mostly positive ...
[05:28] <seanh> Where in the world has it been deployed? I guess it's mostly places that want to use cheap hardware and free software?
[05:31] <ogra> we have users in curacao, vanuatu, tuvalu, tobago, chile, the netherlands, brazil and germany that i know of ...
[05:31] <ogra> oh, and norway, spain i forgot ...
[05:31] <ogra> and indeed the uk
[05:32] <seanh> the UK? Huh. That's where I am. Interesting.
[05:32] <ogra> i'm not really aware of the french community, they have theor own forums and mailing lists
[05:33] <seanh> The French community?
[05:33] <ogra> yeah, there is a edubuntu-fr team ...
[05:34] <ogra> they did a derivative of the ubuntu liveCD with edubuntu-desktop and some extra software on top
[05:35] <seanh> ok
[05:36] <seanh> I might be interested in developing on/for edubuntu. I'm in the first year of a PhD in there area of Advanced Interactive Learning Environments. So far I'm supposed to be doing something to do with interactive educational stories, specifically with immersive navigable environments, like a 3D game, network multiplayer roleplay
[05:37] <ogra> cool
[05:37] <seanh> I'm at the stage of putting together a proposal for my project... it'd be cool if I could make it something that would be useful to edubuntu
[05:38] <ogra> absolutely :)
[05:40] <seanh> Well.... I mean, I have written quite a lot of stuff, been at it for over 6 months, but I'm still totally thrashing around trying to find something that I really want to do. It'd be good I think to coordinate a bit with edubuntu people, so I can actually create my project to fill some need edubuntu has or to be useful for edubuntu
[05:41] <ogra> start by subscribing to the edubuntu-devel mailing list ;)
[05:41] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[05:42] <ogra> there are users, teachers and developers that can probably help you finding out whats required
[05:42] <seanh> Ok
[05:43] <seanh> So far I have been looking at doing something with FLOSS 3D games technology and storytelling, i.e. immersive, interactive 3D stories, I don't see any 3D games being considered for edubuntu yet though, and I could be amenable to moving away from that
[05:44] <ogra> the thing is that our main target is a ltsp classroom server, running GL apps ofer ltsp is painful ...
[05:44] <ogra> *over
[05:45] <ogra> thats why we dont have many GL things in the default install
[05:45] <seanh> right... I can imagine
[05:45] <ogra> (nou need direct hardware access for the app to get all advantages out of GL)
[05:45] <ogra> *you
[05:46] <seanh> So with ltsp... do the client machines even have hard drives? Are they actually running edubuntu? Or are they simply passing input to the server, receiving output, and displaying it?
[05:46] <ogra> the lattre
[05:46] <ogra> no harddrives ...
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> ogra I have an semi-advanced question :)
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> I want to see my TOP on my dedicated boxes
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> but....
[05:47] <ogra> they are booting from the net, start an x server and a loginmanager ... the loginmanager then logs you in to a desktop session on the server
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> can I see those stats as a graphical chart in any way form my home?
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> maybe a widget or something can do that?
[05:48] <iGotNoTime> not trying to interrupt, any reply is fine at any time :)
[05:48] <ogra> iGotNoTime, not yet ... but that would be a good add on feature for student-control-panel ...
[05:48] <seanh> Right, so the login manager and X Server run on the clients, the session and any apps launched etc. run on the server
[05:48] <ogra> yep
[05:49] <iGotNoTime> ogra where do I post suggestion?
[05:49] <ogra> the clients are just like display/keayboard/mouse anhancers of the server
[05:49] <iGotNoTime> ubuntu forum?
[05:49] <ogra> iGotNoTime, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[05:51] <seanh> Is it one server per school? One server per classroom? Depends on the situation?
[05:51] <ogra> the latter ...
[05:52] <seanh> It seems if you had any OpenGL app, it'd need to run on the server, and you'd want a fast machine. But 3D games can be useful in education, so you'd want to support that
[05:52] <ogra> no, you need to run it on the client
[05:52] <ogra> the app will need direct access to the graphics hardware
[05:53] <iGotNoTime> ok now more technical question now.... again no rush on reply :)
[05:53] <iGotNoTime> I want to edit a user's group, and I open group and find the user it says :  joshua:x:1000:
[05:54] <iGotNoTime> I know root is not suggested and I am not going to do just want the knowledge
[05:54] <ogra> dont use an editor to work on such files
[05:54] <ogra> use either the gui or commandline tools for it ...
[05:54] <iGotNoTime> all I would have to do is change it to joshua:x:1000:root correct?
[05:54] <iGotNoTime> yes using nano I mean
[05:54] <iGotNoTime> I am trying to work on my dedicated box now ;)
[05:55] <iGotNoTime> I want the user to have full access to all files via SFTP using a windows ftp client
[05:55] <ogra> the superuser group is "admin" in ubuntu ...
[05:55] <ogra> (the user with uid 1000 is in there by default)
[05:55] <iGotNoTime> but I mean adding the group name at the end is sufficient?
[05:56] <ogra> yep
[05:56] <ogra> but dont use an editor
[05:56] <iGotNoTime> so on the dedicated box joshua:x:1000:ftp would then allow that user to login with FTP?
[05:56] <ogra> adduser joshus ftp
[05:56] <ogra> joshua
[05:56] <iGotNoTime> wow :)
[05:56] <iGotNoTime> CLI is getting easier everyday :)
[05:57] <ogra> i think vsftp leats users in that can log in anyway, no need for an extra group
[05:57] <iGotNoTime> WS_FTP gives the SFTP option, but they need to be in a proper usergroup for the chmod rights
[05:58] <iGotNoTime> that is why I am interested in how to edit the user's groups
[05:58] <iGotNoTime> ogra, thanks for the help again :)
[05:58] <ogra> :)
[05:58] <iGotNoTime> ogra, what country are you in?
[05:58] <ogra> germany
[05:58] <iGotNoTime> :)
[05:59] <seanh> HOw come edubuntu-desktop depends on pyopengl?
[05:59] <ogra> it depends on nearly every python dependency we have ...
[05:59] <ogra> thats inherited from ubuntu
[06:00] <ogra> the python stuff doesnt take much space
[06:00] <seanh> ubuntu doesn't depend on python-opengl though. Maybe one of the edubuntu games uses it
[06:00] <ogra> and python is our committed development language
[06:01] <ogra> might be a dep of pygame or so
[06:01] <ogra> brb
[06:01] <seanh> So... if I install edubuntu-desktop right now, my user will be untouched (except for a pile of apps added to the menu), but when I create a new user I will get an edubuntu user? Then I can create ubuntu users again if I remove edubuntu-art and -usplash?
[06:35] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: ?
[06:35] <Seveas> C-O-L-T-AWAY, ?
[06:36] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: If I install dapper flight 5 I will be able to update to the final release?
[06:36] <Seveas> sure
[06:36] <Seveas> just regularly apt-get upgrade
[06:36] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: ok, and how stable is flight 5?
[06:36] <Seveas> very
[06:37] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: for everyday use like internet, music, chat is it ok?
[06:37] <Seveas> yeah, I use it for much more than that
[06:38] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: cool, and contains gnome 2.14 right?
[06:38] <Seveas> yup
[06:39] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: really cool. Thanks for the info. I am downloading flight 5 that is why I am asking these things
[06:40] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> Seveas: thanks again
[06:40] <Seveas> np
[06:43] <iGotNoTime> usergroups is to Group as users is to ?
[06:43] <iGotNoTime> fill in the blank :)
[06:43] <iGotNoTime> I want to see all the users not the groups
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> ok another good question :) I logged the new user into FTP...
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> he is in the proper groups
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> but the folder he needs access to has a different user that owns
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> same group though
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> I want this one user to have access to all domains for FTP uploading
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> the problem is all domains have different user names but in the same FTP group
[06:49] <iGotNoTime> any suggestions?
[06:58] <mikearthur> man
[06:58] <mikearthur> I'm tempted to just break into the school I was doing experience in today and install edubuntu on all the machines
[07:45] <iGotNoTime> wanna be tempted more mikearthur ? look at the screenshot of the teachers computer http://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif
[07:47] <ogra> thats not edubuntu
[07:48] <ogra> its a suggestion for teachers pet ...
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> OHHHHHHH!!!!
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> MY BAD
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> I am so sorry for misleading
[07:51] <iGotNoTime> I thought that was a package for edubuntu :)
[07:51] <highvoltage> i don't think anyone was mislead, that was clearly a windows screenshot ;)
[07:51] <iGotNoTime> * ducks back embarassed
[07:53] <highvoltage> :)
[11:04] <iGotNoTime> hope nobody has technical question :(
[11:04] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[11:10] <iGotNoTime> Ohhh god no LOL
[11:10] <iGotNoTime> sorry girl didn't see your name :) You are plenty capable :)
[11:10] <iGotNoTime> I only noticed that ogra and highvoltage were both gone :)
[11:10] <iGotNoTime> they are the one's who answer my noob questions :P
[11:18] <HedgeMage> I'm just being a smart aleck :)
[11:19] <iGotNoTime> :)
[11:19] <iGotNoTime> me too :)
[11:23] <HedgeMage> how is your day going?
[11:23] <iGotNoTime> excellent :)
[11:23] <iGotNoTime> learning soooo much
[11:24] <iGotNoTime> I only have Linux now because it is easier to SSH into our dediacted server. SQL editing is easier than in XP too. But now I am starting to really enjoy the OS more than XP!
[11:24] <iGotNoTime> so finding this out today, I just feel happy that ogra convinced me to install :)
[11:24] <iGotNoTime> how long have you run this?
[11:25] <HedgeMage> I've been using Linux since 1995, was introduced to debian (the distro ubuntu was based of of) in 2000, and tried ubuntu for the first time last year :)
[11:26] <iGotNoTime> has excellent ratings on distrowatch :)
[11:26] <iGotNoTime> looks like the hottest distro now
[11:26] <HedgeMage> I've been really impressed with ubuntu.
[11:27] <iGotNoTime> I have tried linux on and off since '97, around '03 started trying it for 6 months at time
[11:27] <iGotNoTime> so I think 9 years is enough testing to finally convert LOL
[11:27] <HedgeMage> I was (once upon a time) very active in the debian-edu project, but left due to social politics.  I'm lurking around edubuntu to get a feel for the community and possibly start contributing.
[11:27] <HedgeMage> hehe :) ep
[11:27] <HedgeMage> yep even
[11:28] <iGotNoTime> I only wish I would have stuck with it more, I know nothing of using CLI
[11:28] <iGotNoTime> people get angry when I ask for a GUI
[11:28] <iGotNoTime> not here, but Linux gurus in general
[11:28] <iGotNoTime> here is very ver friendly community
[11:30] <HedgeMage> GUIs can be nice, especially for new users.  OTOH, they make it harder to give accurate instructions... for example "type 'iwconfig ath0 essid MyNetwork'" is a lot quicker and easier via irc than "look for an icon on your taskbar that looks like two computer monitors..." followed by four more steps
[11:31] <HedgeMage> ubuntu is *very* gui-oriented, so people are more friendly to that sort of thing here
[11:31] <HedgeMage> don't ask for a gui in Slackware or Gentoo... they won't want to spend the extra time when they could help four people with CLI in the same time
[11:31] <iGotNoTime> yes, I am slowly learning that CLI can be much faster
[11:31] <iGotNoTime> it's just a memory thing :(
[11:31] <HedgeMage> cheat sheets are your friend :)
[11:32] <HedgeMage> My first Linux book, from back in 1995, had a great cheat-sheet in it that I *still* photocopy for people on occassion.
[11:33] <iGotNoTime> That is a great idea!
[11:33] <iGotNoTime> I never would have thought of the same tools I used @ Uni!
[11:33] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:33] <iGotNoTime> I am googling some now :)
[11:34] <iGotNoTime> thank you
[11:34] <HedgeMage> You are most welcome!
[11:34] <HedgeMage> I used mine constantly for the first 6 or 8 months, then it began to slowly taper off
[11:35] <HedgeMage> (I started with with no GUI at all, so I *had* to learn!)
[11:35] <iGotNoTime> hehe


[12:21] <\sh> Riddell: is there no other possibilty to extract the .pot files without having automake and autoconf build-deps?
[12:23] <\sh> Riddell: because even ksynaptics breaks when doing the patches and additional rules for this
[12:23] <Riddell> \sh: you shouldn't need automake/autoconf
[12:23] <\sh> well...the build tells me something else :*
[12:25] <\sh> when I apply the patch directly into the debianized source tree...it complains about missing automake1.6 and wants to recreate configure bla
[12:28] <\sh> Riddell: it runs the first time configure...and then when it's in building target...
[12:28] <\sh> /usr/bin/make
[12:28] <\sh> make[1] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/ksynaptics-0.2.2'
[12:28] <\sh> *** Creating configure.files
[12:28] <\sh> *** Creating acinclude.m4
[12:28] <\sh> cd . && /bin/sh /tmp/buildd/ksynaptics-0.2.2/admin/missing --run aclocal-1.6
[12:38] <\sh> amu: it's the touchpad configuratio utility :)
[12:41] <\sh> same shit different way
[12:41] <\sh> I apply the patch...it runs configure...and after that...it wants to recreate all auto* stuff
[12:51] <\sh> Riddell: any solution to avoid this?
[03:01] <Riddell> \sh_away: you may need to set AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
[07:15] <Diablo-D3> insert final fantasy victory music here.
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> yay
[08:36] <Diablo-D3> so far on dapper, theres only one thing broken
[08:37] <Diablo-D3> and it takes a whole 1:27 to start my laptop =(
[10:15] <Tonio_> hi
[11:37] <sebas> Riddell: Could you close this one: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18237 ?
[11:37] <sebas> The fix is in our svn.
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> gah
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> launchpad is fucking useless
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> what the fuck!
[12:03] <mornfall> Riddell: i guess there was no response from mdz
[12:04] <Riddell> mornfall: not yet :(
[12:05] <Riddell> sebas: marked as PENDINGUPLOAD
[12:06] <sebas> Riddell: Ok.
[12:06] <sebas> I'll just add a patch which fixes two more services.
[12:07] <sebas> Or do you want it mailed?
[12:09] <Riddell> sebas: no, it'll get fixed whenevr guidance makes its next release :)
[12:10] <sebas> Riddell: Ok.
[12:10] <sebas> The next release will probably have displayconfig working for single head setups and add a bunch of usability fixes to the modules.
[12:11] <sebas> And a nice dialogue showing the usage of your diskspace :)
[12:11] <sebas> When does dapper freeze?
[12:11] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule January 19th
[12:11] <viviersf> Riddell, whats up with dapper kubuntu + network tool
[12:12] <viviersf> is knetworkconf gonna get fixed
[12:12] <viviersf> or you gonna use gnome-system-tools ?
[12:12] <Riddell> viviersf: knetworkconf is pretty high priority to fix
[12:12] <viviersf> k
[12:12] <viviersf> so you gonna fix it ?
[12:12] <Riddell> sebas: that's upstream version freeze
[12:12] <viviersf> cos the bigest problem Riddell is
[12:12] <viviersf> that it doesnt put the gateway into the file
[12:12] <viviersf> and thats mostly it
[12:13] <viviersf> if that was fixed id be happy
[12:13] <Riddell> viviersf: yes, I'm planning to look at it this week or next
[12:13] <viviersf> Riddell, if you can this week plz :P
[12:13] <Riddell> yeah, but fixing kpdf is alas more important just now
[12:14] <viviersf> i would like to release impi
[12:14] <viviersf> with a working knetworkconf
[12:14] <viviersf> and removing gnome tools
[12:14] <viviersf> but cool
[12:14] <viviersf> drop me an email when you fixed it plz
[12:15] <Riddell> ok
[12:16] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2   groovy
[12:31] <Tonio_> hi all, viviersf,  Riddell
[12:31] <viviersf> lo Tonio_
[03:01] <Riddell> amU: about?
[03:01] <Riddell> or anyone with a powerpc?
[03:01] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo's new update-notifier popup http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-notifier/lala.png
[03:05] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[03:05] <freeflying> I'using ppc now
[03:05] <Riddell> freeflying: ooh, fancy testing the flight-2 candidate?
[03:06] <freeflying> Riddell:  ok
[03:06] <Riddell> freeflying: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051214.1/dapper-live-powerpc.iso
[03:06] <Riddell> freeflying: and  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051214.1/dapper-install-powerpc.iso
[03:07] <jjesse> is it for i386 as well riddell?
[03:07] <jjesse> cause i can test that
[03:07] <freeflying> I'm downloading daily livecd now
[03:07] <Riddell> freeflying: thanks
[03:07] <freeflying> it's seems too slow for me  :(
[03:08] <Riddell> jjesse: I've already tested i386 although more testing is always welcome
[03:08] <freeflying> Riddell:  it;s need about 14 hrs
[03:08] <jjesse> oh ok i can play around with it today as well
[03:09] <jjesse> btw did you see wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2
[03:11] <Riddell> freeflying: we might have to release before that but it'll still need testing so keep downloading if you can
[03:11] <Riddell> jjesse: that's quite impressive
[03:13] <freeflying> Riddell: right
[03:18] <jjesse> Riddell: i agree think we should do a KubuntuDapperFlight2 ?
[03:20] <Riddell> jjesse: it would be nice but I don't have time to do any more than proofreading and I'm not sure what we'd put in it
[03:22] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i might have sometime today to wip something up and i'll let you know
[03:22] <Riddell> jjesse: would be lovely
[03:22] <Riddell> "all new libstdc++ mt allocator!"
[03:32] <verwilst> Riddell: do we have an update notifier popup for kde too in dapper? ;)
[03:33] <Riddell> verwilst: mornfall is working on one
[03:34] <mornfall> verwilst: it's not popping up so far
[03:34] <mornfall> verwilst: and i'm not sure i want it to
[03:35] <mornfall> one of the things i hate *most* about windows is the update popup
[03:35] <verwilst> hh
[03:35] <verwilst> what will it do then?
[04:35] <verwilst> mornfall: ? :p
[05:32] <mornfall> verwilst: wha?
[05:33] <verwilst> mornfall: the update notif thingy
[05:33] <verwilst> how do you 'envision' it?
[05:33] <mornfall> verwilst: what's with it?
[05:33] <mornfall> if it was for me, it's done :)
[05:33] <verwilst> if it won't be a popup thingy
[05:33] <mornfall> sits in systray as a green thingy if up to date, and as a exclamation thingy when not up to date
[05:33] <mornfall> an*
[05:33] <verwilst> suhweet
[05:34] <verwilst> i've been missing that ;)
[05:34] <mornfall> tooltips says up to date or how many upgradable packages
[05:34] <mornfall> tooltip*
[05:34] <mornfall> a passive popup could maybe work, or maybe not
[05:35] <mornfall> i'll see
[05:40] <lucasvo> hi,
[05:40] <Riddell> hi lucasvo
[05:40] <lucasvo> can you please fix the dependencies for  kiosktool and synce-kde ?
[05:41] <Riddell> kiosktool decided to randomly break last night when I uploaded, I'll investigate why
[05:41] <lucasvo> They both have wrong entry for kdelibs4c2 on dapper
[05:42] <verwilst> mornfall: is it planned for dapper?
[05:43] <mornfall> verwilst: yes
[05:44] <verwilst> w00t safe
[05:44] <verwilst> coolness
[05:51] <verwilst> going home!
[05:51] <verwilst> see ya
[05:52] <Riddell> cheereo verwilst
[05:52] <Riddell> hi jansen
[05:52] <Riddell> lucasvo: synce-kde uploaded, keep an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/synce-kde/
[05:54] <lucasvo> Riddell: danke
[05:55] <lucasvo> Riddell: oh that was german. thank you
[05:56] <Riddell> :)
[05:58] <allee> Riddell: kontact (kmail) any showstopper in flight2-tobe release?  No ==> then I'll install test it
[05:58] <author-psi> lucasvo: (verplappert sich oft :) )
[05:58] <allee> s/no/yes/ argl
[05:59] <Riddell> allee: pardon?
[05:59] <Riddell> allee: I applied the patch that upstream recommended
[06:00] <allee> Riddell: you asked for testers of today dapper CDROM.  I have to replace a 80 GB disk with a 100 GB an grumble about replacing breezy with dapper.  But Kmail is essential
[06:01] <allee> okay I take that kmail has no showstoppers.  So breezy has to go.
[06:01] <Riddell> allee: shouldn't have any
[06:02] <Riddell> but I can't guarantee it... this is kamil
[06:02] <Riddell> kmail
[06:02] <allee> Riddell: ;)
[06:03] <allee> I can work around anything but mutt instead of kmail is really stressing the nerves ;)
[06:55] <jjesse_> the daily build of dapper (flight 2) live cd works fine w/ no issues
[06:55] <jjesse_> is that kde 3.5 on it?
[06:58] <Riddell> jjesse_: that is kde 3.5
[07:02] <jjesse> ok working on some notes
[07:25] <dholbach> hellas!
[07:26] <Riddell> welcome along dholbach :)
[07:26] <dholbach> can somebody proof-read/enhance/fix/add-bling-factor to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft?
[07:26] <dholbach> we really need it to fix up universe bugs ... and the desktop team and the kubuntu team as well :)
[07:27] <Riddell> dholbach: can I edit?
[07:27] <dholbach> sure
[07:27] <dholbach> we want this to be the best bug day ever
[07:27] <dholbach> and the next one even better :)
[07:30] <Riddell> I think we need to bottle dholbach and sell it as a motivation tonic
[07:30] <dholbach> it's being together with vuntz
[07:31] <dholbach> that helps ;)
[07:31] <Riddell> vuntz?  who is vuntz?
[07:31] <dholbach> vincent untz
[07:32] <dholbach> a gnome-desktop-team-ubuntu-rock'n'roll-community-french-hat-wearing-hacker
[07:33] <Riddell> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft  grammer checked, spelling corrected, kubuntu paragraph added
[07:36] <dholbach> Riddell: merci beaucoup
[08:01] <seth_k> thanks for the krusader stuff Riddell
[08:01] <seth_k> glad to know there was a weird problem and not just me being incompetent :)
[08:21] <Sime> is anyone using nvidia's video drivers here? (and the agp support from nvidia?)
[08:23] <Riddell> not I
[08:23] <Riddell> Sime: maybe people in #kubuntu do
[08:24] <Sime> Riddell: i'll give it a go. I'm trying to work out agpgart and kernel modules loading issues.
[08:25] <Sime> Riddell:  I sent most of sunday blowing up my other computer with the help of nvidia's driver. :-)
[08:26] <Riddell> fun :)
[08:31] <dholbach> Riddell: you have a kubuntu related bug page or something?
[08:31] <dholbach> on the wiki?
[08:32] <dholbach> something, that could be on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/TeamSpecifics and maybe should be in the bug day announce?
[08:33] <tvo> Sime: I am (at least nvidia's video drivers, would have to check whether I'm also using the agp support from nvidia)
[08:34] <Sime> tvo: run lsmod and look for a apg*
[08:34] <Sime> tvo: agp*
[08:34] <Sime> tvo: if you are using the nvidia agp stuff you would probably know it. It is a real pain to get setup.
[08:35] <tvo> Sime: no agp in output of lsmod, so I'm only using binary drivers..
[08:37] <Sime> tvo: you are using AGP and not PCIe?
[08:37] <tvo> Sime: yeah
[08:37] <Sime> tvo: yeah AGP?
[08:37] <tvo> Sime: yeah AGP :)
[08:38] <Sime> tvo: lsmod really doesn't list agpgart or something?
[08:38] <Riddell> dholbach: a very short section on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[08:38] <tvo> Sime: no, I already wondered where it went when running lsmod..
[08:38] <Sime> tvo: odd, very odd
[08:39] <dholbach> Riddell: you want to link it fom the bugs/teamspecifics page?
[08:39] <Sime> tvo: maybe your Xorg is not accelerated.
[08:39] <Sime> tvo: it is possible to not use AGP.
[08:39] <tvo> Sime: if Xorg isn't accelerated, then OpenGL isn't accelerated too, right?
[08:40] <Sime> tvo: true
[08:40] <Sime> tvo: there is probably a message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the driver about AGP.
[08:40] <tvo> Sime: then I guess that's pretty much impossible, have been running+developing an OGL based RTS last few weeks
[08:41] <tvo> unless my processor is really ultra fast in software rendering..
[08:41] <Sime> tvo: maybe AGP only makes difference when transferring large textures... :-/
[08:42] <Sime> tvo: this blog has some interesting and hard to find info: http://www.ramikayyali.com/
[08:42] <Sime> tvo: i'm working on a config tool for Xorg. Which is why I'm interrorgating (sp?) you.
[08:43] <tvo> no problem
[08:43] <Riddell> dholbach: done
[08:44] <dholbach> Riddell: ROCK!
[08:44] <tvo> Sime: hm, there are (recent) agpgart messages (no errors) in syslog..
[08:44] <dholbach> added the page to the announce
[08:44] <sebas> Sime: lsmod has " agpgart                34792  2 nvidia,amd64_agp "
[08:45] <Sime> sebas: that is linux agpgart. I don't know if it is better or worse than the one from nvidia. It is certainly a lot easier to use though.
[08:45] <sebas> Oow, I thought you were after agpgart, not nvagp.
[08:46] <Sime> I'm just curious to know what people are using and whether supporting nvidia's module is necessary.
[08:46] <sebas> miro.sebas(~): grep -i nvagp /etc/X11/xorg.conf                                                                  20:46:23
[08:46] <sebas>     Option      "NVAgp" "0"
[08:46] <sebas> That might have a reason I don't want to remember :>
[08:47] <Sime> maybe the drivers work fine with the standard kernel module
[08:47] <Sime> NVAgp = disabled.
[08:47] <sebas> Jup.
[08:47] <Sime> NVAgp 0
[08:47] <Sime> sebas: have a look at that blog link.
[08:47] <tvo> apparently, I can't find any errors in syslog or Xorg.0.log
[08:47] <Sime> tvo: it doesn't say anything?
[08:51] <sebas> Sime: I'll try nvidia-agp.
[08:51] <tvo> Sime: it just says http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/464152
[08:51] <Sime> sebas: let me know if the performance is better/worse, and also stability
[08:51] <Riddell> anyone having kpdf problems on breezy with KDE 3.5?
[08:51] <tvo> I'll try too
[08:51] <sebas> Yup, if I get it to run in the first place.
[08:52] <Riddell> JRe?
[08:52] <tvo> Riddell: I don't have any problems with it
[08:52] <Sime> tvo: is there an  Option      "NVAgp" line in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:52] <tvo> Sime: no
[08:55] <Sime> tvo: it must be defaulting to 3 : use any agp support (try AGPGART, then NVIDIA's AGP)
[08:56] <tvo> Sime: apparently, and agpgart is compiled in the kernel.. or it would have been listed by lsmod?
[08:56] <Sime> tvo: the default kernel uses a module.
[08:56] <Sime> tvo: in breezy
[08:57] <sebas> Sime: glxgears report with agpgart 3875 fps, with nvidia-agp 5075.
[08:57] <tvo> strange, because there is no module, but yet there is output..
[08:57] <sebas> So it works, and it's a lot faster.
[08:58] <Sime> sebas: well, ... a fair bit faster. ;-)
[08:58] <Sime> sebas: did you hack your hotplug and module files?
[08:58] <tvo> is the NvAgp line the only thing to change to enable it?
[08:58] <sebas> Yup, otherwise it would use agpgart automatically.
[08:59] <sebas> In fact, it used nvidia-agp despite NVAgp 0 in xorg.conf.
[08:59] <Sime> but you might have trouble loading the nvidia agp module.
[09:00] <Sime> sebas: BTW, are you using PyWireless? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28637
[09:00] <sebas> I didn't
[09:00] <sebas> Nope.
[09:01] <sebas> Why would I have trouble loading the agp module, when it's only disabled in xorg.conf?
[09:01] <Sime> the nvidia agp module might not want to load if the linux one is already loaded.
[09:03] <sebas> Ow, but I blacklisted it and rebooted (something held amd64_agp, so I couldn't unload that).
[09:03] <Sime> tja ja.
[09:03] <Sime> that 's the trick
[09:04] <sebas> I'll just try an OpenGL game, see if it's stable.
[09:04] <Sime> I'm trying to work out if displayconfig should manage the blacklist file too.
[09:04] <Sime> tuxracer makes a fairly good stress test.
[09:06] <tvo> Sime: I'll test nvagp sometime soon, just don't feel like restarting x atm and it isn't going to work on a second x..
[09:08] <Sime> tvo: fair enough.
[09:08] <Sime> i'm going downstairs.
[09:09] <sebas> FWIW, no crash.
[10:52] <Riddell> kat package needs an update, any volunteers?
[10:55] <dholbach> come on kubuntu developers: this is your first step to the kubuntu wall of fame! more enthusiasm! :-)
[10:55] <seth_k|lappy> I'm out and on the road and things until tonight (done with fall semester of uni today) but if you can wait till then I'll do it tonight :)
[10:55] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, you made me gun-shy with that krusader package and its scary bugs though :P
[10:56] <dholbach> seth_k|lappy: that's a challenge, get cracking on it! :)
[10:57] <Riddell> they're not all as bad as krusader :)
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[10:58] <dholbach> seth_k|lappy: after all, it's fun and you can always whack upstream :)
[10:58] <dholbach> ... which reminds me...
[10:58] <seth_k|lappy> well then if you can wait till tonight (tomorrow for you) I'll deliver you a happy purring Kat
[10:58] <allee> dholbach: well, I assume we all test the kubuntu flight2 CD, no time for packages ;)
[10:59] <dholbach> do both :)
[11:00] <dholbach> seth_k|lappy: you'll become faster over the time, don't worry :)
[11:13] <dholbach> good night everybody
[11:37] <raphink> Riddell: are you there?


[17:03] <dholbach> hello
[17:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:04] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: pleia2 akgraner
[17:04] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:04] <YokoZar> Good day everyone
[17:04] <czajkowski> YokoZar: aloha
[17:04]  * pleia2 waves
[17:05] <czajkowski> chair?
[17:06] <YokoZar> #startmeeting Community Council
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[17:06] <YokoZar> Greetings everyone, not much on the agenda today, just the Loco Council checkup.  Do we have someone from the Loco Council here?
[17:07] <xdatap1> o/
[17:07] <czajkowski> and SergioMeneses
[17:07] <SergioMeneses> hi guys!
[17:07] <czajkowski> 3 of us here
[17:08] <YokoZar> Fantastic
[17:08] <dholbach> nice :)
[17:08] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[17:08] <Gwaihir> hello folk!
[17:08] <Gwaihir> s/folk/folks
[17:08] <YokoZar> #topic Loco Council Checkup
[17:09] <xdatap1> let's break the ice :)
[17:09] <czajkowski> thanks for coming folks
[17:09] <YokoZar> So, what I like to get most from these CC-checkups is anything that currently seems like a hangup in process or communication that we can help with :)
[17:10] <YokoZar> Especially anything that might become a sort of looming problem due to things like scale
[17:11] <dholbach> What is your general gut feeling of how the LoCo Council running right now? I think some of you joined the LC just a few months ago
[17:12] <czajkowski> so the council had some new people on it this year
[17:12] <czajkowski> and that has taken some time to get used to things given the last council was in office for 2 years
[17:12] <Gwaihir> xdatap1, SergioMeneses, since you are new in the LC, want to share something? your experience so far?
[17:12] <czajkowski> and it's taken some time to get the new people up to spead on things and still we have new stuff we encounter and have to deal with
[17:13] <xdatap1> Gwaihir, sure
[17:13] <xdatap1>  I consider myself still a LoCo Council newbie. I'm still get my feet wet
[17:14] <xdatap1> things are going quite well afaik
[17:14] <SergioMeneses> I really like work with LC, they are a great group!
[17:14] <xdatap1> we had montly meetings and we met in google plus with audio/vido
[17:14] <xdatap1> that makes things easy
[17:14] <czajkowski> aye we are trying to immprove our communication so weekly meetings on G+ is good I think
[17:15] <pleia2> great
[17:15] <SergioMeneses> this make the work more easy
[17:15] <ScottK> Doesn't that hurt transparency?  There's no public archive if it's on G+.
[17:15] <xdatap1> we reviewed 4 loco team since january,  3 of them have been approved
[17:16] <czajkowski> ScottK: it's more to help the new people get up to speed and just talk things through.
[17:16] <ScottK> OK.
[17:17] <xdatap1> ScottK, yep true, irc meetings are better for that point of view. We used G+ for brainstorming an improvement on a document, btw. so, nothing that keep secret :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> ScottK: given work and timezones mid week it's just harder to get to talk and bond tbh
[17:17] <dholbach> Is reapprovals what you spend most of your time on?
[17:17] <ScottK> Sure.  It's not like all communication needs to be done in public, but it's worth considering.
[17:17] <Gwaihir> xdatap1, SergioMeneses, czajkowski, LC process wise, do you think there is something to improve, everything works smoothly? documentation to be written or reviewd? I'm referring in particular to the review of the approval wiki page
[17:17] <czajkowski> dholbach: so each cycle differs, this cycle not so mcuh, we only have 8, last cycle the LC had 26
[17:18] <greg-g> ScottK: totally agree.
[17:18] <xdatap1> dholbach, if we're talking the meeting time, yes. if we consider the whole time, not really.
[17:19] <dholbach> What else do you spend a lot of time on? Is there anything anybody else could help with?
[17:21] <czajkowski> getting things done a bit faster or improving feedback but I think with the new G+ hangouts will help
[17:21] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, I think that every help or point of view is important.. always we can work quietly
[17:22] <xdatap1> yes, I agre with czajkowski: if we keep meeting often we can deal with everything
[17:23] <YokoZar> Could you give me a vague sense of the turnaround time for loco-council related business?
[17:23] <YokoZar> eg, is most stuff resolved by the next meeting?
[17:23] <czajkowski> YokoZar: sometimes tbh, but it could be stuff only happens the week before which isn't ideal tbh
[17:24] <xdatap1> many stuff are resolved in a day, btw. Launchpad tasks, responding to RT
[17:24] <xdatap1> things like improving a document needs more time, btw
[17:25] <czajkowski> nods
[17:25] <czajkowski> xdatap1: good way to explain it
[17:25] <xdatap1> and they can't be done quickly
[17:25] <czajkowski> nods
[17:25] <xdatap1> from my point of view, we're not in the highest peak of work at moment, am I right czajkowski ?
[17:26] <czajkowski> xdatap1: nope it's a quieter cycle compared to others, which is good as it gives people a chance to get to know one another and learn
[17:26] <czajkowski> we have a great helpful factoid in the locoteams channel
[17:26] <czajkowski> so more people can find us which has been useful tbh
[17:27] <pleia2> yeah, I see it used a fair amount :)
[17:28] <czajkowski> yup amd I'm really glad it's there
[17:28] <czajkowski> I'd like to see it elsewhere as it would help people to mail the council rather than one person tbh
[17:28] <czajkowski> we do have loco council on highlight
[17:28] <SergioMeneses> we are doing a good work! we take our time as xdatap1 says... LocoGettingApproved is a great document and we are trying to make it better
[17:29] <dholbach> I think I recall a fair amount of conflict resolution in the past - or more generally helping LoCos to improve - is that still a major part of your work?
[17:30] <xdatap1> no since I've been appointed. I've never discussed a conflict resolution
[17:30] <xdatap1> so, after UDS
[17:30] <xdatap1> we're in a peaceful time :)
[17:31] <czajkowski> dholbach: again it varies tbh, not so far this cycle tbh
[17:33] <Gwaihir> looks like a healthy LC :)
[17:33] <SergioMeneses> Gwaihir, ty
[17:34] <dholbach> In your point of view: Is there anything which, in an ideal world, would be even better? Anything which would make LoCo teams happier and you happier as well?
[17:34] <xdatap1> IMHO what we just need is to know each other better and work together more to be more cohesive. From my personal point of view just to take confidence with these new tasks
[17:35] <czajkowski> +1
[17:36] <xdatap1> dholbach, fixing the bug #1 maybe?
[17:36] <dholbach> haha :-)
[17:36] <Gwaihir> :-)
[17:36] <SergioMeneses> :O
[17:36] <pleia2> thanks for coming :)
[17:37] <xdatap1> thanks to you for your time guys
[17:37] <dholbach> thanks for the great work you're doing
[17:37] <SergioMeneses> CC ty for your time!
[17:37] <czajkowski> :)
[17:37] <dholbach> I just looked at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ and it's great to see HOW many different teams from all over the place participate
[17:37] <Gwaihir> thanks all for your great work!
[17:38] <dholbach> most of the places look like places where I should go next for holidays :-P
[17:38] <xdatap1> dholbach, consider that Italy will have two global jam :)
[17:38] <dholbach> xdatap1, taken into account :)
[17:38] <Gwaihir> there's none in France...
[17:39] <Gwaihir> well... I will take part at the Italian one, but from France, does it count? :-)
[17:39] <YokoZar> I'm sure both the Italians and the French will count you
[17:40] <xdatap1> :)
[17:41] <dholbach> I've run out of questions :)
[17:41] <czajkowski> :D
[17:42] <YokoZar> Very well thn
[17:42] <YokoZar> #topic Public Comment
[17:42] <YokoZar> Anything for the CC to discuss not on the agenda?
[17:42] <czajkowski> nope all good
[17:43] <Gwaihir> nope, nothing else from me
[17:43] <czajkowski> thank you for coming folks
[17:43] <YokoZar> #topic Fixed Agenda
[17:44] <YokoZar> All right, volunteers for team reports, wiki page, next chair, etc.
[17:44] <Gwaihir> I chair next time
[17:44] <YokoZar> #action Gwaihir to chair next meeting
[17:44] <meetingology> ACTION: Gwaihir to chair next meeting
[17:45] <YokoZar> Can you update the meeting log/wiki page too?
[17:45] <pleia2> I can take care of that
[17:46] <YokoZar> #action pleia2 to update meeting log and wiki pages
[17:46] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to update meeting log and wiki pages
[17:46] <YokoZar> Final thing is for someone to remind the America's board
[17:46] <YokoZar> about the next meeting
[17:47] <pleia2> I'll take care of that (I'm on the board)
[17:47] <YokoZar> I was waiting for that ;)
[17:47] <czajkowski> sweet
[17:47] <pleia2> :)
[17:47] <YokoZar> #action pleia2 to remind herself to attend next meeting :)
[17:47] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to remind herself to attend next meeting :)
[17:47] <pleia2> hehe
[17:48] <pleia2> it is worth mentioning that a lot of membership boards have a number of members retiring in May
[17:48] <pleia2> so we should think of questions with that in mind
[17:48] <YokoZar> Ok, that seems to be all of the agenda then
[17:48] <YokoZar> #topic Bonus CC Meeting Time
[17:50] <YokoZar> Thank you folks for coming, thank you for volunteering, and thank you for contributing to Ubuntu!
[17:50] <YokoZar> #endmeeting
[17:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar  1 17:50:18 2012 UTC.
[17:50] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-01-17.06.moin.txt
[17:50] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-01-17.06.html
[19:52] <PvandeWyngaerde> is it possible to get a meetingbot for meeting logs on our own channel ?
[19:53] <MrChrisDruif> !bots
[19:56] <MrChrisDruif> PvandeWyngaerde; I think you can contact AlanBell to let meetingology on to your own channel (your Ubuntu LoCo I presume?)
[19:57] <PvandeWyngaerde> ok


[01:47] <Chloric> evening guys
[13:29]  * munz_werk yawns
[14:19] <maxolasersquad> New verson of LO out.
[14:30] <munz_werk> L0?
[14:49] <maxolasersquad> munz_werk: LibreOffice
[14:50] <munz_werk> OHHHH...ok, thx lol
[15:48] <mhall119> stupid weather
[16:49] <DammitJim> +1 mhall119
[16:49] <DammitJim> do you guys know what I can use to sort my pictures by creation date? like from the exif data?
[17:02] <DammitJim> ok, jhead
[17:06] <crashsystems> Sometimes using OSX all day makes me twitch, like when I try to use apt to search for a package only to find that I'm on an OS that does not have a package manager.
[18:50] <maxolasersquad> crashsystems: homebrew
[18:50] <maxolasersquad> http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/
[18:51] <crashsystems> meh
[18:51] <maxolasersquad> Have you tried it?
[18:53] <maxolasersquad> crashsystems: ^^
[18:55] <crashsystems> not yet.
[18:56] <crashsystems> it would be nice to have wget though...
[18:56] <maxolasersquad> I've seen some of my Mac coworkers use it.  It's pretty cool IMO.
[18:56] <crashsystems> what would be far more useful is if I could fix how OSX handles window focus.
[18:59] <maxolasersquad> The cool thing about homebrew is that for projects hosted in a version control system, you can select which tag/commit/etc you want to install from, as well as compile-time flags, and apply popular patches against an app.
[19:00] <crashsystems> nice
[19:05] <maxolasersquad> And now if they'd just open source OSX, I'd use it. :)
[19:07] <crashsystems> hah
[19:08] <crashsystems> if they open sourced it, 3rd parties would improve it to the point where it would not drive me crazy
[19:32] <maxolasersquad> crashsystems: It could be worse.  You could be in Dan's position.
[19:33] <crashsystems> what position is that?
[19:33] <maxolasersquad> Working in Windows all day.
[20:36] <dantalizing> my hands are dirty, and the stink never comes off no matter how hard i scrub!
[23:13] <dantalizing> wow. connectbot looks awesome on a tablet.