[12:00] <Myke> but, here it's not flat rate..
[12:00] <|trey|> keknehv: first 8 kb's or whatever...
[12:00] <Myke> we have downloads limits
[12:00] <|trey|> keknehv: which is the MBR
[12:00] <Myke> more than 4 Gb (in 1 mbps) per month and we pay extra
[12:00] <keknehv> ok...
[12:00] <candyman> the part that tries to partition
[12:00] <ogra> candyman: tried to switch your LBA settings in the BIOS ?
[12:00] <grape> thanks for the disks ubuntu :-)
[12:00] <candyman> just before, where it....
[12:00] <candyman> ah,
[12:00] <candyman> no, LBA in BIOS: check.
[12:01] <candyman> back in a jiffy. thanks keknehv and ogra.
[12:01] <keknehv> luckily, I know an ubuntu dev who walked me through the install process (compared to debian, it's a breeze)
[12:01] <socomm> Sorry Ubuntu isn't here right, please leave your name and number and we'll get back to you.
[12:01] <socomm> *beep*
[12:01] <grape> lol
[12:01] <ogra> candyman: i dunno which setting is right there.... so test it.....for some ppl it helps
[12:01] <ogra> socomm :)
[12:02] <grape> socomm: ubuntu already has my name and number ;-)
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> ahar, I can get 12gb downloads at 6mbit for $50aud/month
[12:02] <candyman> ogra, I just helps it also works with my other OS
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> which is the best value consumer net in .au
[12:02] <Myke> Hrdwr_BoB: how much is $50aud in real money? :p
[12:02] <keknehv> I get unlimited bandwith at 2mbit for $50US
[12:02] <ogra> hehe
[12:02] <keknehv> $25US
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: aud is realy money
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: ~75%
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> keknehv: no
[12:02] <keknehv> oh
[12:02] <keknehv> sorry, old exchange rate
[12:02] <Myke> in euros? how much?
[12:02] <socomm> keknehv: what ISP?
[12:02] <keknehv> :P
[12:02] <keknehv> comcast
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> in euros? nfi, hangon
[12:03] <socomm> Bleh, cable.
[12:03] <keknehv> One thing stinks: you're not supposed to run web servers on it...
[12:03] <Myke> humm... maybe i could link to you guys by wireless... then use you net connection :D
[12:03] <daniels> AUD1 == GBP0.40
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> 29 euros
[12:03] <keknehv> socomm: I actually really want to get fiber optic ;D
[12:03] <Myke> uncaped 2 mbps for only 29 euros?
[12:03] <Myke> :(
[12:03] <Myke> ok... back to 3 world
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's 12gb capped
[12:03] <will_> which country? the UK?
[12:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> but yeah
[12:04] <Myke> for 22 euros, i can get (when available where i live) 10 Gb at 2 mbps
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> most australian net is ADSL for ~ 41 euros a month
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> you get 512kbit
[12:05] <will_> i have unlimited 8Mbit in sweden, if i was 50 meters closer to the exchange..i could have got 26Mbit !!
[12:05] <calc> for ~ 22E i can get 1mbps uncapped :)
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> with 10-20gb download limit
[12:05] <Pork> DROOL
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> will_: damnit!
[12:05] <keknehv> will_: WOW
[12:05] <Myke> will_: how much?
[12:05] <socomm> For 5 Euros I can get 10 quarts of goat milk and a blank CD-R :^P
[12:06] <grape> lol
[12:06] <Pork> ive got unstable cable and the most ive ever gotten from it is about 500k/s
[12:06] <Myke> socomm: breast feeded? :p
[12:06] <Pork> mmm goat milk
[12:06] <will_> it costs 400 swedish crowns
[12:06] <socomm> calc: welcome too 2004.
[12:06] <mjr> In Helsinki, eg. 0.5/0.5M 24 /month, 8/1M 50 /month, ADSL2 12/1M 63 /month
[12:07] <calc> i'm not too surprised considering how crappy the US economy is
[12:07] <Myke> mjr for what i'm paying right now for, 512/128
[12:07] <will_> i think its about 35euro
[12:07] <Quest-Master> My god, I hope one day Ubuntu allows su. :(
[12:07] <Myke> there, i could get 8mbps/1mbps and still have money left for coffe
[12:07] <Myke> :|
[12:08] <will_> i get 8Mbit down, 1Mbit up :))
[12:08] <mjr> Quest-Master, sudo passwd if you really want it
[12:08] <ogra> Quest-Master: sudo is a sort of su ;)
[12:08] <Quest-Master> I know
[12:08] <calc> sudo su -
[12:08] <keknehv> Quest-Master: gksudo x-term :D
[12:08] <Myke> our 8 mbit service comes with only 400 kbps up
[12:08] <Quest-Master> But a lot of programs I know of use su
[12:08] <Myke> :|
[12:08] <socomm> Quest-Master: `sudo -s' `passwd' `exit' `su'
[12:08] <Quest-Master> Which I really can't change
[12:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: yeah we only get 384
[12:08] <Pork> lol calc
[12:08] <will_> Myke: thats a bit boring!
[12:08] <keknehv> Or go to "root terminal" in Applications-->System Tools
[12:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> 256 with 'normal' adsl
[12:08] <Quest-Master> Just gets annoying after a while x_x
[12:08] <ogra> keknehv: that was the exact opposite to vi /etc/fstab lol
[12:09] <Pork> the internet sucks now
[12:09] <Myke> well... i live 22 kms away from college...
[12:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> the problem is, in australia, the network is owned by telstra
[12:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> who owns almost all the DSLAMs
[12:09] <keknehv> ogra: what?
[12:09] <Myke> and, i'm in a project to build a wireless bridge into there...
 Quest-Master: gksudo x-term :D
[12:09] <dad> goodmorning Ogra
[12:09] <Myke> we have 200 mbps at university
[12:09] <keknehv> ogra: what about it?
[12:09] <ogra> dad: hi dad, good evening :)
[12:09] <Myke> so... i can max out a 50 wireless mbps link if i can build it :)
 keknehv: that was the exact opposite to vi /etc/fstab lol
[12:09] <keknehv> ogra: I'm still confused. How was that the opposite?
[12:10] <mjr> (in Tampere, Finland, the bastards get ADSL2+ 24M/1M for 63 /month ;)
[12:10] <Amaranth> gksudo gnome-terminal ;)
[12:10] <keknehv> that too
[12:10] <ogra> keknehv: gksudo x-term  100% gui, userfriendly, nice...... vi /etc/fstab .....
[12:10] <dad> in japan i get 100mbs optical cable for $45 au
[12:10] <ogra> hmm
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know how to fix KMid so it stops saying "Cannot get access to /dev/sequencer; maybe another program is using it?"
[12:11] <Quest-Master> At first
[12:11] <zenwhen_> :(
[12:11] <Quest-Master> There was no /dev/sequencer
[12:11] <Quest-Master> So I made it
[12:11] <zenwhen_> wtf the color of undustrial changed
[12:11] <Amaranth> ...
[12:11] <Quest-Master> And gave users and root access to it
[12:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: wont help.....
[12:11] <Quest-Master> And it still doesn't work
[12:11] <Amaranth> you can't "create" it
[12:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: udev will delete it
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Hm
[12:11] <keknehv> Is 3GB swap space overkill if I only have 192M RAM?
[12:12] <Quest-Master> I think so
[12:12] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:12] <Amaranth> keknehv: i never used more then 512MB total RAM, so i'd say so
[12:12] <ogra> Quest-Master: you will need a actual sequencer device for it to appear
[12:12] <socomm> keknehv: yes.
[12:12] <Myke> keknehv: yes
[12:12] <keknehv> lol... (I KNEW it...)
[12:12] <mjr> keknehv, let's put it this way; if you ever need 3G swap, your system is already quite unusable ;)
[12:12] <Myke> so, why did you asked?
[12:13] <keknehv> Yah, I need to get more ram...
[12:13] <Quest-Master> ogra: And how do I get that?
[12:13] <Quest-Master> Midi works fine in Windows
[12:13] <Myke> i need to get a atx box :|
[12:13] <ogra> Quest-Master: by loading the right driver (module) if your soundcard supports it
[12:14] <keknehv> System (basic) specs: 700 MHz PII, 80GB 7200 RPM Seagate IDE/133,64MB PCI NvidiaMX440...
[12:14] <keknehv> It's a land of unbalanced stuff :D
[12:14] <Quest-Master> ogra: Any guides on how to do that?
[12:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> computers are disposable these days
[12:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> so incredibly cheap
[12:14] <Myke> hummm..
[12:15] <Myke> do you want to dispose some computers to my house? :)
[12:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> heh
[12:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> I just disposed about 20
[12:15] <Myke> :(
[12:16] <keknehv> AAAAHHH!!!
[12:16] <socomm> Hrdwr_BoB: why not keep them around?
[12:16] <Myke> 20... a perfecly nice cluster
[12:16] <keknehv> Hrdwr_BoB: HERESY!
[12:16] <matlads> hello
[12:16] <Myke> what where the specs of those computers?
[12:16] <keknehv> hello
[12:16] <socomm> Myke: Or repair parts.
[12:16] <matlads> can I install ubuntu's xorg cleanly on a sid system?
[12:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> socomm: because they were crap
[12:16] <Quest-Master> And, is Qt in the apt repos.?
[12:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> PII and below
[12:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> we only have so much space
[12:16] <Myke> i could use those computers...
[12:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> even in terms of the power they use for the computing power they provide
[12:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: yes and they were donated to .. some computing-group-or-other
[12:17] <keknehv> Just wondering... anyone have any idea if I can connect GNiall (basically AI) to IRC? Place IRC input into GNiall (It's a GTK-Input)
[12:17] <Myke> with the ones less than 400 mhz and more than 100 mhz, i would build hot spots for wireless
[12:17] <Myke> so i could hang them out in trees and such for higher coverage
[12:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> lol
[12:17] <keknehv> Myke: Weird picture. LOL
[12:18] <Myke> i have a very flat city
[12:18] <mjr> keknehv, you'd probably have to code some glue yourself
[12:18] <Myke> with 5 hot spots in the right places...
[12:18] <keknehv> Ack... ok
[12:18] <Myke> it would be possible to cover it all
[12:18] <keknehv> Myke: Wireless is less secure... ETHERNET SHALL RULE THE WORLD
[12:19] <socomm> Myke: Necessity, mother of all invention.
[12:19] <Myke> keknehv: try to have 4 kms ethernet cables
[12:19] <graham> hi. I just tried running straw on hoary and it fails. It doesn't appear to be compatible with the version of python-gnome installed. straw is in universe; will that kind of thing be dealt with before hoary is released?
[12:19] <socomm> Lazy Americans with their Ethernet cables.
[12:19] <Myke> just put two ap's and two antenas on roof tops and et voila, link
[12:19] <Myke> ipsec over the link and, perfecly secure
[12:19] <keknehv> Myke: a great start to a computer... 20 ~300MHz computers
[12:20] <keknehv> socomm: lol
[12:20] <keknehv> Are there any standard IRC accessing libs?
[12:20] <Myke> i made a 13 kms wireless link by mistake... :)
[12:20] <daniels> Myke: interesting
[12:20] <Myke> i was aiming at one friend on the same city at 3 kms...
[12:20] <daniels> Myke: most wireless firmware has a timeout of 10ms for packets
[12:20] <socomm> graham: maybe, report it to the mailing list.
[12:20] <Myke> and end up catching another friend in another city 13 kms away
[12:20] <Myke> (strait line)
[12:20] <daniels> Myke: doing a quick back-of-the-hand calculation on the speed of light, you wouldn't get more than three
[12:21] <graham> socomm, okay, thanks.
[12:21] <daniels> without hacking the firmware on whichever wireless hardware you were using
[12:21] <daniels> (three -> three kilometres)
[12:21] <Myke> daniels, 10 ms for light to travel 3 kms?
[12:21] <Myke> so... light travels at 300 kms per second?
[12:21] <keknehv> that's sortof bogus...
[12:21] <keknehv> LOL
[12:21] <keknehv> Slower than a speeding jet... LIGHT!
[12:22] <graham> fast jet
[12:22] <Myke> lol
[12:22] <graham> mach 1000
[12:22] <keknehv> graham: even more than that
[12:22] <Myke> daniels: at 13 kms i get around 4 ms pings
[12:23] <keknehv> Myke: what kind of connection is this?
[12:23] <daniels> er, sorry, microseconds
[12:23] <Myke> i get 400 kbps download in 802.11b
[12:23] <warty_> hihi
[12:23] <Myke> keknehv: wireless, b norm
[12:23] <keknehv> ...hello...
[12:23] <Myke> 11 mbps wireless
[12:23] <warty_> werent ppl saying that the lived cd's from shi it are messed?
[12:23] <daniels> Myke: really?
[12:23] <daniels> Myke: that's really amazing
[12:23] <keknehv> Myke: I thought it was limited to below 150ft
[12:23] <Myke> 400 Mbytes/s real speed
[12:23] <Myke> more wireless devices have 35 mw power
[12:24] <Myke> i just buy senao hardware, working at 200 mw
[12:24] <Myke> and connect them to a 24 dbi antenas
[12:24] <keknehv> Myke: You cranked up the power?
[12:24] <keknehv> Myke: well that explains it
[12:24] <Myke> no, they come like this from factory
[12:24] <daniels> Myke: the fact your pings travel 26km over an incredibly unreliable link in 4ms is quite staggering
[12:24] <daniels> Myke: not to mention the latency caused by hardware
[12:24] <Myke> the link it's quite stable
[12:24] <Myke> think in wireless frequencies a bit like light
[12:25] <Myke> you can't see what's in another side of the wall
[12:25] <eclipse> f
[12:25] <eclipse> d
[12:25] <daniels> Myke: so you don't get any packet loss whatsoever over 13km?
[12:25] <Myke> but, you can see a flashlight kms away with the right devices
[12:25] <graham> keknehv, eh? mach 1 == ~300 m/s -> 300 km/s is a 1000 times faster. or not?
[12:25] <candyman> this is really fucked up: the ubuntu install disk does not recognise my partitions, but the live one does!
[12:26] <candyman> wtf!
[12:26] <Myke> daniels: depends.. on the link...
[12:26] <keknehv> graham: NOOOO... mach 1 = ~300m/h Meters per HOUR... not second
[12:26] <daniels> Myke: zero packet loss over 13km is truly staggering
[12:26] <daniels> Myke: i commend you on your network engineering efforts
[12:26] <Myke> the link at 13 kms it's a clear sight link.. so, almost no packet loss.. no more than usual
[12:26] <graham> keknehv, I can walk 300 m in a hour.
[12:26] <usual> more than who
[12:26] <daniels> Myke: none caused by interference, of course
[12:26] <Myke> the one at 3 kms it's a bit tricky.. so, more packloss.. real 200 kbytes/s at 3 kms
[12:27] <ogra> graham: wow
[12:27] <daniels> you should document your experiences and loudly start recommending this hardware and show everyone yours etup
[12:27] <keknehv> graham: woops... that's 300km/h
[12:27] <daniels> because this truly is amazing wireless hardware -- congratulations again on your setup
[12:27] <daniels> look forward to seeing your site soon
[12:27] <Amaranth> wimax?
[12:27] <Myke> 300 km/h it's not match 1
[12:28] <keknehv> I get an error message when tring to run mysql. ryanh@pulaewe:~ $ mysql
[12:28] <keknehv> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[12:28] <Myke> daniels: it's not that amazing...
[12:28] <siimo> does any ubuntu user use Eclipse 3.0 ?
[12:28] <Myke> in arizona (if my memory is correct) the was a link at 70 kms
[12:28] <Myke> i saw it on slashdot
[12:28] <Amaranth> 13km ~= 6mi?
[12:28] <keknehv> slashdot is awesome
[12:28] <siimo> with the default ubuntu theme eclipse buttons are cut in half o_O
[12:28] <daniels> Myke: with stock wireless hardware, obviously
[12:28] <Quest-Master> Stupid /dev/sequencer
[12:29] <graham> keknehv, http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/souspe.html
[12:29] <keknehv> Did you see the article on Blu-Ray discs made out of corn?
[12:29] <Quest-Master> MURDER TIME
[12:29] <daniels> Myke: that they didn't aim, and just got there by accident
[12:29] <keknehv> so how do I get mysql working?
[12:29] <keknehv> error message:
 Myke: that they didn't aim, and just got there by accident
[12:29] <ogra> Quest-Master: tried: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss ?
[12:29] <keknehv> doh
[12:29] <ficusplanet> I just moved to hoary.  How do I make it automatically check for updates?
[12:29] <keknehv> ryanh@pulaewe:~ $ mysql
[12:29] <keknehv> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[12:29] <Myke> they are in strait line...
[12:30] <graham> ficusplanet, why automatically? wouldn't you rather be around?
[12:30] <Myke> almost strait line...
[12:30] <keknehv> What do I run to start the MySql Server?
[12:30] <Myke> and the antenas give % amplitude coverage
[12:30] <Amaranth> 6mi wireless connection?
[12:30] <graham> keknehv, /etc/init.d/mysql start? (I've not got it)
[12:30] <ogra> ficusplanet: hoary is unstable.... you should check your updates all the time
[12:30] <Amaranth> damn, my router won't make it to the front porch
[12:30] <ficusplanet> I don't want to manually check for updates.  I want it to notify when they are available.
[12:30] <Myke> so, we got the signal in the antena... and when we saw the signal there... we just aimed it a litle better mesauring the link quality and power
[12:31] <Amaranth> brb
[12:31] <Myke> we have a portuguese site with all the activities our wireless comunity is doing... checkit out... http://wireless.com.pt
[12:31] <graham> ficusplanet, do an "apt-get update" and then an "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" to see what would happen. slap it in a cron job and it'll email you the output, then you can see if it would download anything if you ran it without -s
[12:31] <Zugot> what firewall software do you use on top of ubuntu?
[12:32] <Quest-Master> ogra: modprobe returns some syntax stuff
[12:32] <graham> Zugot, iptables
[12:32] <Myke> Zugot: gShield script
[12:32] <Quest-Master> ogra: snd-seq-oss isn't found
[12:32] <Quest-Master> Try to install it?
[12:32] <ficusplanet> graham, Are you sure there is a way to make the Ubuntu Update Manager just check for me?
[12:32] <Myke> Quest-Master: oss? why don't you try alsa?
[12:32] <ogra> Quest-Master: thats impossible, its in the standard kernel
[12:32] <ogra> Myke: that is alsa
[12:33] <Quest-Master> o_0
[12:33] <graham> ficusplanet, ah, synaptic? not sure. I imagine it would only be interactive, but I may be wrong.
[12:33] <Quest-Master> Well, it's not working apparently
[12:33] <Zugot> graham, i was looking for a package...
[12:33] <Zugot> hmm
[12:33] <ogra> Myke: its the oss emu.....needed for /dev/sequencer
[12:33] <Myke> oh... i just saw.. oss, was guessing it was from open sound system
[12:33] <graham> Zugot, there's firestarter, but I've never tried it so can't recommend...
[12:33] <ficusplanet> graham, No.  Ubuntu Update Manager.  If you're in Hoary, install update-manager and then look in your system tools menu.
[12:33] <siimo> Qo-noS, modprobe snd-seq-oss
[12:33] <ogra> Myke: its a bit confusing ;)
[12:33] <graham> ficusplanet, cool. downloading...
[12:33] <Quest-Master> I'm really having problems with apt-get
[12:33] <Quest-Master> :x
[12:34] <Quest-Master> It installs things, and then other programs can't find them
[12:34] <ogra> Quest-Master: what says: uname -r
[12:34] <Quest-Master> And I try to install them again, and apt-get insists they are installed
[12:34] <Quest-Master> Anyhow
[12:34] <Quest-Master> I'm trying that now ogra
[12:34] <Quest-Master> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[12:34] <ogra> Quest-Master: looks ok
[12:35] <ogra> Quest-Master: ls /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-*/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko
[12:35] <Myke> Quest-Master: do this: lsmod | grep snd
[12:35] <Zugot> what are the sources for warty?
[12:35] <Zugot> i don't have the ability to update from the cd
[12:36] <Zugot> nevermind... it was commented out in the sources.list file
[12:36] <Zugot> i need to stop rushing
[12:36] <ogra> hehe
[12:37] <Zugot> i just installed ubuntu to use as my router
[12:37] <Zugot> i'll put the wireless ap behind that
[12:37] <Zugot> i'm tired of routing through the ap... not enough control
[12:37] <Myke> Zugot: do you want to connect wireless to me? :)
[12:38] <dad> any way to rmv a full directory ?
[12:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> rm -r dir
[12:38] <Myke> rm -rf dir
[12:38] <dad> thnks
[12:38] <Myke> better use the f
[12:38] <Myke> or you will have to type "y" lots of times
[12:38] <Zugot> now i need to find a firestarter deb
[12:38] <Myke> also, rm doesn't move to trash
[12:39] <socomm> Zugot: firestarter is the Universe repo.
[12:39] <Myke> you can always use nautilus to remove that dir
[12:40] <ficusplanet> for anyone interested, upgrade-notifier will automatically check for updates in hoary
[12:40] <dad> thnks that was easy
[12:41] <Zugot> socomm, i see it now.... thanks
[12:41] <graham> ficusplanet, cool. I downloaded it and then typed "pkill -f gnome" to restart my panel. oops.
[12:41] <Zugot> using ubuntu after using gentoo for so long make everything seem way quicker
[12:42] <Quest-Master> ogra: Trying that now
[12:43] <Quest-Master> ogra: The first thing just returns itself
[12:43] <Quest-Master> Trying grep and lsmod
[12:43] <ogra> Quest-Master: or try: sudo modprobe snd-seq-device
[12:43] <graham> ficusplanet, have you managed to see a package's changes in update-manager? mine is giving me trace backs on the console.
[12:44] <Quest-Master> ogra: the second returns a bunch of values
[12:44] <Quest-Master> Wanna see them in #flood ogra?
[12:44] <ogra> Quest-Master: show thwm
[12:44] <ogra> them
[12:44] <ficusplanet> graham, It works fine for me.
[12:44] <Gmail> wb dad
[12:44] <graham> ficusplanet, must be my crap connection. it looks like DNS failures.
[12:45] <ogra> Quest-Master: ok, try: sudo modprobe snd-seq-device
[12:45] <graham> ah, I had a bad proxy variable set.
[12:45] <Quest-Master> Ok
[12:45] <riddley> if I'm *very* comfortable with upgrading distributions (say, testing->unstable) in Debian, should I find warty->hoary on AMD64 any more difficult? Also, how's Hoary's stability when compared to Debian stable?
[12:46] <Quest-Master> ogra: It doesn't return anything
[12:46] <ogra> Quest-Master: great
[12:46] <riddley> er s/compared to Debian stable/compared to Debian UNstable/
[12:46] <ogra> Quest-Master: is the /dev/sequencer there ?
[12:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> riddley: then you should be fine
[12:47] <Hrdwr_BoB> there will probably be a few issues
[12:47] <riddley> Hrdwr_BoB: thanks :)
[12:47] <Hrdwr_BoB> but as long as you're cool with that
[12:47] <Quest-Master> Well, the one I made is
[12:47] <Quest-Master> Otherwise, there wasn't one there
[12:47] <ogra> Quest-Master: the one you made wasnt working.....
[12:47] <Myke> Quest-Master: why do you need /dev/sequencer ?
[12:47] <Quest-Master> Seems not
[12:48] <Quest-Master> Myke: For KMid
[12:48] <riddley> anyone know why there's no gkrellm package for amd64 ?
[12:48] <ogra> Quest-Master: normally the device nodes in /dev are created by udev
[12:48] <ogra> Quest-Master: if the module for the device is loaded....
[12:48] <Quest-Master> ogra: I have no idea why it wouldn't
[12:49] <ogra> Quest-Master: funnily yout module listing shows all modules needed.....
[12:49] <ogra> Quest-Master: was this warty or hoary ?
[12:49] <Quest-Master> Warty.
[12:50] <ogra> Quest-Master: hmm, there it should work flawless
[12:50] <fissh> hi
[12:50] <coolio> hi
[12:50] <Quest-Master> ogra: Trouble seems to follow me EVERYWHERE in the Linux world.
[12:51] <coolio> I have a question about using the ruby scripting language and ubuntu
[12:51] <Quest-Master> Looks like it has caught up to me now in Ubuntu XD
[12:51] <ogra> Quest-Master: just dont give up.... :)
[12:51] <Quest-Master> I gave up on Suse, lol.
[12:51] <fissh> does any budy known how can i do $sudo modconf
[12:51] <fissh> ther? no modconf
[12:51] <Quest-Master> When I can't find any help anywhere, I give up and move to the next distro
[12:51] <ogra> Quest-Master: ubuntu is the most likely one to get over it.....
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Yeah, it's worked beautifully so far
[12:52] <Quest-Master> It's just those few problems that annoy me so much
[12:52] <graham> coolio, I don't use it, but fire away anyway.
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Plus, this is probably the IRC channel that has the most users anyhow XD
[12:52] <Myke> Quest-Master: sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
[12:52] <ogra> fissh: because modconf isnt there ?
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Everyone else has around 150
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Ok myke
[12:52] <coolio> After installing ruby with apt-get...why is the command for ruby "ruby1.8" but when you install from source it is just "ruby"
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Woot, it looks like that wasn't installed
[12:53] <socomm> coolio: there are different versions in the repo.
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Installing it now
[12:53] <Quest-Master> :D
[12:53] <socomm> coolio: meaning that each version installs its own binary for instance ruby1.8.
[12:53] <coolio> Is that normal for debian to label programs with version numbers...just make sure there is no confusion
[12:53] <ogra> Myke: i dont think this will solve the device issue
[12:53] <graham> coolio, have you installed ruby and ruby1.8? I'm guessing here, but I imagine the ruby package will manage a link that gives you /usr/bin/ruby
[12:54] <graham> coolio, debian has some rather cool stuff for managing alternative versions of stuff; the symlinks I just mentioned are the result
[12:54] <Myke> ogra: i'm looking into it... let me see :p
[12:54] <socomm> coolio: yes some programs and libraries do this.
[12:54] <socomm> coolio: some not most.
[12:54] <coolio> oh...ok...Thanks...I'll check that directory
[12:55] <graham> at least, that was what the python packages did last time I checked.
[12:55] <ogra> Quest-Master: look if there are any midi devices in the list from: cat /dev/sndstat
[12:55] <Myke> ogra: i believe that's some kind of lib so that oss programs use alsa
[12:55] <Myke> but, i couldn't test it yet...
[12:56] <ogra> Myke: hmm....but the app checks for a working /dev/sequencer apparently
[12:56] <coolio> Thanks alot...makes sense
[12:56] <graham> night
[12:57] <Zugot> what program can i use to graphically install and remove programs?
[12:57] <ogra> Zugot: synaptic
[12:58] <ogra> Zugot: Computer->System Tools->Synaptic
[12:58] <Zugot> ogra... i'm not using gnome... i'll just run it from the command line
[12:58] <fissh> thanks ogra
[12:58] <fissh> bye
[12:58] <ogra> Zugot: sudo synaptic , or gksudo synaptic
[12:59] <Myke> just did: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss
[12:59] <Myke> and problem solved
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Zugot: or use kpackage
[01:00] <ogra> Myke: thats what i tried first
[01:00] <Myke> but, can't be sure that stock kernel also works... (i build my recently)
[01:00] <Myke> but, the module is there.. comes with <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:00] <ogra> Myke: stock works....
[01:01] <ogra> Myke: its already loaded according to his lsmod output
[01:01] <Myke> well... he has to: rmmod snq-seq-oss
[01:01] <Myke> rm /dev/sequencer
[01:01] <Myke> that he created
[01:01] <Myke> then modprobe once more
[01:03] <coolio> #quit
[01:03] <coolio> quit
[01:03] <Myke> anyone here managed to put suspend to disk working?
[01:03] <Myke> coolio: try using /quit :p
[01:03] <socomm> coolio: /quit
[01:03] <coolio> thanks
[01:03] <ogra> Myke: tried the howto ?
[01:03] <chitiri> which jabber client would you recommend to do jabber administrative tasks ?
[01:03] <Myke> ogra: i did it last night
[01:04] <Myke> i just don't seam capable of mixing it with bottsplash
[01:04] <ogra> Myke: bah bootsplash
[01:04] <Myke> :D
[01:04] <Myke> it would look cool...
[01:04] <Myke> but... my "cool" definition would probably get me killed by most linux fans
[01:05] <Myke> usplash?
[01:05] <Myke> what's that?
[01:06] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[01:08] <Skwid_> http://shweet.bendug.org/~mark/
[01:08] <Skwid_> dude
[01:09] <Skwid_> these are sweet
[01:10] <socomm> Skwid_: thanks for the link.
[01:10] <Myke> so sweet
[01:11] <Myke> just changed my wallpaper :)
[01:11] <Myke> i like "ubuntu onfire" :)
[01:11] <chitiri> do exists something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[01:11] <Skwid_> i like the blue one
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: not yet
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: but it is planned
[01:12] <chitiri> ok
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: for now use synaptic.....
[01:12] <Pork> theyre all so low res
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: or apt-cache / apt-file
[01:13] <GotD0t> anybody know why those OOo packages in hoary don't upgrade?
[01:13] <Rene_S> Did anyone do a warty to hoary update today ?  And if you did, did you experience any problems ?
[01:13] <GotD0t> Rene_S: what seems to be your problem?
[01:13] <ogra> Pork: look on the mailing list for announcements from volvoguy, he makes svg backgrounds....(never seen them though)
[01:14] <grape> Rene_S: no problems here on hoary
[01:14] <Rene_S> GotD0t, not everything updated cleanly, as a matter of fact it didnt download the panel or the control centre
[01:14] <bytecoder> I've been hearing a lot about Hoary lately. Can anyone tell me what's so special about it compared to Warty?
[01:14] <GotD0t> Rene_S: define not updated cleanly
[01:14] <Quest-Master> Myke: Installed that package
[01:14] <ogra> bytecoder: its unstable/development
[01:15] <bytecoder> ogra: I know, I was talking feature-wise
[01:15] <socomm> Rene_S: dist-upgrade
[01:15] <ogra> bytecoder: me too ;)
[01:15] <Rene_S> Well normally when i do a system upgrade all the things that can be updated are.  Today they were not,
[01:15] <Quest-Master> ogra, doing cat /dev/sndstat now
[01:15] <ogra> Quest-Master: look for midi
[01:15] <Myke> just noticed something
[01:15] <Quest-Master> Wow, it's there
[01:16] <Rene_S> Its not that big of a deal, I just wondering if I missed something or if i did something wrong
[01:16] <GotD0t> Rene_S: what packages were not updated
[01:16] <Myke> since my upgrade samba (the recent security updates)
[01:16] <Myke> i can't see my local network in nautilus
[01:16] <candyman> I think I have found the problem with my disk, if someone wants to follow me to #flood I can paste the partition table for you. I don't know how to fix it, though.
[01:16] <grape> hmm something was wonky with grabbing time from the ntp server...
[01:16] <Quest-Master> YESYESYESYESYES
[01:16] <Quest-Master> Thank you myke and ogra :D
[01:16] <candyman> say when
[01:16] <ogra> Quest-Master :)
[01:16] <grape> but that's whatcha get running unstable ;-)
[01:16] <Rene_S> gnome-panel, gnome-control centre, evolution capplets and someothers i forgot to write down
[01:16] <Myke> Quest-Master: did it work?
[01:16] <Quest-Master> Of course :D
[01:16] <Quest-Master> Thanks
[01:17] <Myke> what was the problem?
[01:17] <Quest-Master> That driver.
[01:17] <Myke> your hand made dir?
[01:17] <Quest-Master> No
[01:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: add snd-seq-oss to /etc/modules
[01:17] <Quest-Master> It was the driver which wasn't installed
[01:17] <Quest-Master> Ok
[01:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: so its loaded on boot
[01:17] <GotD0t> Rene_S: i dont think its a problem... you can try selecting them by hand if you want
[01:17] <speel> hey does ubuntu have a security patch repository?
[01:18] <Rene_S> when i do that i get a libxklavier dependency problem, apparently it wants 9 and 8 and 10 are on the servers
[01:18] <ogra> speel: look in your sources.list/synaptic repositorys
[01:19] <Matt|> hi all. When new windows appear in metacity, they are not automatically the active window. Does anyone know how to change this?
[01:19] <Rene_S> I am gonna try it again, it may have been a glitch, basically just wondering if they broke something today or not
[01:19] <speel> no secuirty repos come with the stock install im asking if there is any i can add
[01:20] <ogra> speel: they are in the default sources.list
[01:20] <ogra> speel: just enable them
[01:20] <Myke> anyone here stoped seeing lan members after samba upgrade?
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Hm
[01:21] <ogra> ?
[01:21] <Quest-Master> The MIDI is playing.. except I can't hear it
[01:21] <ogra> Quest-Master: volume control ?
[01:21] <Myke> Quest-Master: use the mixer to put it up
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:21] <Quest-Master> I put them all up, still can't hear it
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Going to look at the other options
[01:22] <Quest-Master> Which one represents the MIDI output?
[01:23] <ogra> Quest-Master: good question....just turn them all up a bit....
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[01:23] <Matt|> no one for the metacity question?
[01:24] <Matt|> Quest-Master, make sure none of em are muted :)
[01:24] <ogra> Matt|: looks like a hoary bug
[01:24] <WebMaven> hello folks.
[01:25] <WebMaven> is this the correct place to report a problem with Shipit?
[01:25] <Matt|> ogra, yeah? It's been like this for a while
[01:25] <ogra> WebMaven: tell us, but better file a bug or write to the mailing list to make it not disappear
[01:26] <Skwid_> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160&PHPSESSID=9f7def1293e3311082589f8746b62296
[01:26] <Skwid_> a lot of ubuntu stuff on there too :)
[01:26] <ogra> Matt|: probably preparation for xcompmgr ?
[01:27] <Quest-Master> I should look at the Alsa Mixer right?
[01:27] <Matt|> ogra, oh i'm not sure. try it on your hoary box: the window comes to the top ok, but is not highlighted. So for example, when you close firefox and there are more tabs open, you get the little prompt up, but it is not active window
[01:27] <ogra> Quest-Master: if in doubt.... on both :)
[01:28] <ogra> Matt|: i noticed it already.... but didnt look deeper into it
[01:28] <Matt|> ogra, ok as long as its not me and there is no obvious fix
[01:28] <Bunbu> hello everyone. This is the first time that I use IRC so I ignore the proper etiquette.
[01:29] <ogra> Matt|: look in gconf-editor if there is an option...dunno
[01:29] <Matt|> ogra, yeah have looked
[01:29] <Matt|> ogra, 3159
[01:29] <Bunbu> I have a problem with totem, it works fine when is windowed but when I play any video full screen it just disappears.
[01:30] <socomm> Bunbu: you mean crashes.
[01:30] <Quest-Master> x_x, nothing's working
[01:31] <Bunbu> I guess but I don't receive any error message, totem just disappears from my desktop.
[01:33] <ogra> Bunbu: warty or hoary ?
[01:33] <Bunbu> warty
[01:33] <ogra> Bunbu: totem or totem-xine ?
[01:33] <Bunbu> totem
[01:33] <Quest-Master> Argh
[01:33] <Bunbu> totem-xine works ok
[01:34] <candyman> hey, what kernel does ubuntu-installer run?
[01:34] <candyman> is it the same as ubuntu-live?
[01:35] <ogra> Matt|: looks like 3159, yes
[01:35] <Matt|> ogra, yeah that is it
[01:35] <Quest-Master> Bunbu: That happens to me too every now and then with lots of programs
[01:36] <duncanm> any have experience setting up SCIM/UIM on ubuntu?
[01:36] <Quest-Master> Got so far, and had to get stuck on Volume Control
[01:36] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:36] <ogra> candyman: the kernels may be similar, but the hw detection system on the live cd is different i guess
[01:36] <Bunbu> it just happens with totem. I think it has something to do with gstreamer cause gxine and totem-xine work alright
[01:37] <Matt|> nite all
[01:37] <ogra> Quest-Master: the modules may be loaded in the wrong order, or your hand created device broke it.....
[01:37] <candyman> well, the problem seems to be a 137 GB limit with disks, or so I'm tlod
[01:37] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Should I delete the /dev/sequencer and reboot?
[01:37] <ogra> Quest-Master: udev will clean /dev on next boot...
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Or just reboot?
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Ok
[01:38] <Gwildor> .join #beatrix
[01:38] <Quest-Master> I'll do that then
[01:38] <A|F> Hello how do i know if I have hoary already?
[01:38] <ogra> Quest-Master: that will clean /dev
[01:38] <Quest-Master> ok
[01:38] <Quest-Master> :)
[01:38] <Gwildor> A|F, did you change your sourcelist, and apt-get upgrade?
[01:39] <Rob|Linux> Gwildor, I changed my sourcelist through synaptic ( changed warty to haory ) and did the smart upgrade through synaptic too
[01:39] <Gwildor> Rob|Linux, then you are hoary
[01:39] <giard> what's the easiest way to see which package provides a certain file?
[01:39] <giard> I'm looking for Xauth.h
[01:40] <Rob|Linux> when I had mandrake I would go into the console and type something and it said mandrakelinux official for the i586 , how do you dothat n ubuntu
[01:40] <ogra> giard: you could install apt-file
[01:40] <Dethread> uname -a ?
[01:40] <ogra> Rob|Linux: cat /etc/issue
[01:41] <WebMaven> ogra, I ordered 5 i386 CDs and 5 AMD64, and got 10 i386.
[01:41] <ogra> WebMaven: damnit...thats bad....
[01:41] <Rob|Linux> yea
[01:42] <giard> ogra, do I just run "apt-file search Xauth.h"?
[01:42] <WebMaven> It *might* have been that I originally ordered 10 i386, but changed it 5 minutes later.
[01:42] <Rob|Linux> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[01:42] <ogra> giard: first apt-file update
[01:42] <ogra> giard: afterwards...yes
[01:43] <WebMaven> ogra, so, I have now changed it again (after receiving the CDs) to 20 AMD64.
[01:43] <giard> ogra, ah!  thanks
[01:43] <ogra> WebMaven: post it to the mailing list (ubuntu-users i guess)
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> hello..will i be able to fix grup if i have to reinstall windows on dual boot system?
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> thats grub :) not grup
[01:43] <ogra> giard: its like packages.debian.org without web interface :)
[01:43] <clee> ogra: yeah, you'll be able to fix it
[01:43] <zapada_> how do I know if my ubuntu CD's have beenshipped or not?
[01:44] <WebMaven> ogra, So, can I expect to get more CDs, or do edits just not affect the shipit system?
[01:44] <giard> how strange
[01:44] <giard> so, I have the package installed
[01:44] <ogra> WebMaven: i am not sure....i got 10 i386 as ordered....
[01:44] <giard> but I don't see the file
[01:44] <WebMaven> zapada_, the shipit system will only show if the order has been sent to the manufacturer.
[01:44] <zapada_> ok
[01:45] <zapada_> I don't see anything changed
[01:45] <zapada_> and I ordered nov 14th
[01:45] <WebMaven> ogra, but, I'm assuming you didn't change your order?
[01:45] <Myke> strange... i can acess smb://computer in nautilus.. but it no longer finds those computers right away... so, i don't see the computers in my lan when in network folder :|
[01:45] <ogra> WebMaven: i added some ppc and amd64 later.... so i assume, if i get them i get them far later
[01:45] <WebMaven> zapada_, it will take a while, but that page will eventually show whether the CD order has been sent to the manufacturer (at the top of the page).
[01:46] <ogra> giard: xlibs-static-dev is installed ?
[01:46] <WebMaven> ogra, Hmm.
[01:46] <yann_> hi :)
[01:46] <WebMaven> OK, Maybe so.
[01:46] <Quest-Master> Hey
[01:46] <Quest-Master> Well, ogra, it didn't work
[01:46] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:46] <yann_> I'm french, and considering opening a french ubuntu-fan site
[01:46] <WebMaven> ogra, OK, I will send it to the mailing list.
[01:46] <WebMaven> thanks.
[01:46] <yann_> ubuntu-fr.org, why not
[01:46] <ogra> Quest-Master: claning /dev didnt work ?
[01:46] <yann_> would that be ok for ubuntu developpers?
[01:46] <Quest-Master> I'm not French, but I know a good amount :)
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Took it as Foreign Language :D
[01:47] <Quest-Master> ogra: Dunno if it did
[01:47] <Quest-Master> But it still isn't coming out of those darn speakers XD
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[01:47] <ogra> Quest-Master: look if /dev/sequencer is gone now
[01:47] <zapada_> I WANT UBUNTU!
[01:47] <Quest-Master> And I believe no MIDI output is being produced
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Which might be why I can't hear it, lol
[01:47] <Dethread> zapada: ?
[01:47] <ogra> zapada_: download it
[01:47] <zapada_> I cant
[01:47] <giard> ogra:  yeap, and I'm looking at it dpkg-query -L output, and I don't see Xauth.h
[01:47] <zapada_> 56k :(
[01:47] <zapada_> that's why I ordered CDs
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Order a CD!
[01:47] <zapada_> I DID
[01:48] <giard> ogra:  unfortunately the problem might just be that I'm using hoary
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Ah, good :)
[01:48] <samrolken> Is this the right place to ask a question about the gnoppix livecd?
[01:48] <zapada_> its been since Nov. 14 since I ordered
[01:48] <zapada_> and no updates
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Most likely not
[01:48] <ogra> Quest-Master: what does cat /dev/sndstat say now ?
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[01:48] <Gwildor> zapada_, mine shipped the 11th, i just got them today
[01:48] <ogra> zapada_: they take some time
[01:48] <zapada_> damn
[01:48] <zapada_> ok
[01:48] <Quest-Master> I'll show in #flood
[01:48] <zapada_> could I get them before xmas? :)
[01:48] <zapada_> would be a nice present
[01:49] <ogra> giard: hehe, no xlibs-static-dev then i guess ....hoary == xorg
[01:49] <samrolken> Where would I find some help with a question about the gnoppix livecd?
[01:49] <socomm> samrolken: #gnoppix?
[01:50] <Gwildor> why wont OOo upgrade, in synaptic, hoary, when i do a smart upgrade, all of the OOo packages get left behind <not to be upgraded>
[01:50] <socomm> samrolken: guess not.
[01:50] <Quest-Master> ogra: Showed it in #flood
[01:50] <Quest-Master> Look at it fast before zapada's webpage takes over!
[01:50] <ogra> Quest-Master: could hardly read it....
[01:50] <Quest-Master> Paste it again then?
[01:50] <Myke> ppl, any idea, why when i go to: network:/// in nautilus i can't see any other computer?
[01:50] <ogra> Quest-Master: nope.... midi seems there
[01:51] <giard> ogra:  Ahhh!  got it, it's called "libxau-dev"
[01:51] <Quest-Master> There
[01:51] <Quest-Master> What could it possibly be then? :(
[01:52] <ogra> Quest-Master: try: lsmod|grep snd_seq
[01:53] <zapada_> UBUNTU MUST COME TO ME
[01:53] <Quest-Master> There, it's in #flood ogra
[01:54] <ogra> Quest-Master: no snd_seq_device ?
[01:54] <ogra> ahh, see it
[01:54] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:56] <Quest-Master> What it could it be.
[01:56] <lupus_> I have a multimedia keyboard
[01:56] <lupus_> and started xev
[01:56] <ogra> Quest-Master: look in /dev for sequencer, then try an additional: sudo modprobe snd_seq_oss and look again
[01:56] <lupus_> but with 7 keys
[01:56] <lupus_> I don't get any debug info
[01:57] <Quest-Master> Ok ogra.
[01:58] <Quest-Master> ogra: There's no folder called sequencer, but there is a file
[01:59] <ogra> Quest-Master: thats ok... was it there before the modprobe command ?
[01:59] <Quest-Master> I didn't check
[01:59] <ogra> argh
[01:59] <illustre> can someone define ubuntu for me?
[01:59] <zapada_> a linux distro.
[01:59] <ogra> illustre: humanity to others
[01:59] <illustre> source rpms what format?
[02:00] <zapada_> is ubuntu really based in isle of man?
[02:00] <yann_> well, french support site for ubuntu coming soon, i hope :)
[02:00] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/meaning-of-ubuntu
[02:00] <illustre> what is warty
[02:00] <mjr> "Come to the Isle of Man. Please."
[02:00] <zapada_> je suis francais
[02:00] <ogra> illustre: the stable release
[02:00] <ogra> illustre: warty warthog
[02:00] <illustre> is it a source oriented distro?  rpms?
[02:00] <ogra> Quest-Master: chack kmidi
[02:01] <yann_> lo zapada :)
[02:01] <ogra> illustre: debian based
[02:01] <ogra> illustre: gnome based
[02:01] <mjr> hmm, so more presicely, ubuntu is Zulu?
[02:01] <EfaistOs> hi
[02:01] <mjr> good to know, somebody asked me that :)
[02:01] <illustre> ohhh i like that gnome based
[02:01] <EfaistOs> is there some problems in hoary tonight ?
[02:01] <Quest-Master> KMid you mean right ogra?
[02:02] <ogra> Quest-Master: yep....(last time i used kde was about 1.2)
[02:02] <Quest-Master> Oh, rofl
[02:02] <illustre> downloding live iso shut 9 hours to go on my dsl connection
[02:02] <Quest-Master> I'm back on KDE.. even though I love Gnome to death
[02:02] <Quest-Master> Btw, it's still not working
[02:02] <ogra> Quest-Master: why do you use kde then, if you like gnome this much ?
[02:03] <illustre> ogra: main hq where?
[02:03] <Quest-Master> I feel in outer space when I use Gnome XD
[02:03] <Quest-Master> Like, I don't have full control over my computer
[02:03] <ogra> illustre: living room of mark shuttleworth probably
[02:03] <illustre> ogra: and he is ?
[02:03] <Quest-Master> And I don't know what I am doing or such (even though really I do, but yeah, it's just that feeling)
[02:03] <Quest-Master> I hope they address that in the next Gnome release
[02:04] <ogra> illustre: the nice guy who pays for it all
[02:04] <zapada_> is ubuntu rich?
[02:04] <zapada_> they pay to ship their CDs
[02:04] <zapada_> that incredable
[02:04] <zapada_> I love you ALL
[02:04] <ogra> illustre: google for him
[02:05] <Quest-Master> Do you guys know how he got so rich?
[02:05] <ogra> Quest-Master: he founded thawte
[02:05] <Quest-Master> What's that?
[02:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: a security company (encryption and such)
[02:06] <pcnerd37> Can anybody tell me what AMD processors does Ubuntu Linux support?
[02:06] <ogra> pcnerd37: all ?
[02:06] <pcnerd37> if possible
[02:06] <ogra> pcnerd37: all
[02:06] <ogra> pcnerd37: i think
[02:06] <pcnerd37> im mainly curious if it supports the AMD Althon XP 2600+?
[02:06] <zapada_> who created thawte""?
[02:07] <ogra> pcnerd37: pretty sure
[02:07] <pcnerd37> ok, thanks alot ogra
[02:07] <illustre> ogra :where is he from?
[02:07] <Quest-Master> Still no MIDI output ;-;
[02:07] <pcnerd37> i got my big package of cds today and i was just curious to make sure it would run on my system
[02:07] <ogra> pcnerd37: install linux-image-k7 after installation
[02:08] <pcnerd37> where can i get that?
[02:08] <pcnerd37> and what does it do?
[02:08] <ogra> pcnerd37: use the i386 cd for athlon
[02:08] <pcnerd37> ok
[02:08] <ogra> pcnerd37: that is the athlon optimized kernel
[02:08] <Poof> Hello All! I just installed Ubuntu on my AMD 64, I have 2 hard disks and i wanted to make it a dual boot system, I have Window$ installed already... When installer reached GRUB it does not see the windows partition, so I let it finish without doing grub... is there a way for me to boot into Ubuntu?
[02:09] <ogra> Quest-Master: sorry, no idea anymore...im not too good in midi....
[02:09] <pcnerd37> i dont think i have the i386 cd, the only one that makes reference to AMD is the AMD64/EM64T edition
[02:09] <Quest-Master> Aww
[02:09] <Quest-Master> :(
[02:09] <Quest-Master> Do any of you guys still use Windows anywhere?
[02:09] <mroth> does anyone know what the kernel target is for hoary?  i'm not seeing any discussion in the -devel list
[02:09] <ogra> pcnerd37: but you got an AMD32 which is similar to i386
[02:09] <Myke> Quest-Master: yes
[02:09] <Myke> well... kind of...
[02:09] <mjr> Quest-Master, I haven't used windows for years, except for the occasional ssh client need
[02:09] <Quest-Master> lol
[02:10] <Mesta> hey guys, I hate to ask this but I stuck ubuntu on my brother's CD and now he wants to put windoze back on (believe it), anyway he gets a ubuntu backsplash.  How does he boot from the windoze CD?
[02:10] <ogra> Quest-Master: nope, nowhere
[02:10] <keknehv> Mesta: take out the ubuntu cd, then restart
[02:10] <pcnerd37> the cds that i got are the Power PC edition, the previously mentioned AMD cd, and the Intel x86 cd
[02:10] <Quest-Master> I've got to get these MIDIs working
[02:11] <Quest-Master> Where do you live ogra?
[02:11] <Mesta> there is on ubuntu CD.  It is already installed. It's windoze he wants to boot from.
[02:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: sorry... no idea anymore
[02:11] <Quest-Master> 8:11 EST :)
[02:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: germany
[02:11] <Quest-Master> Ah
[02:11] <Poof> is there a way i can boot from CDROM to Ubunto?
[02:12] <ogra> Mesta: take the CD out of the drive
[02:12] <riddley> what's the best way to get around the libxklavier9 issue with gnome on amd64 right now? equivs?
[02:12] <ogra> Quest-Master: morning ?
[02:12] <Quest-Master> Night.
[02:12] <Quest-Master> :P
[02:13] <Mesta> keknehv orga:  Take the CD out and inicite the stupid windoze install while booted from ubuntu?
[02:14] <riddley> it appears that libxklavier10 replaced it, but capplets still depends upon it.
[02:14] <pcnerd37> which cd is the i386 CD?
[02:15] <pcnerd37> i just checked the order form that i orded my cds from, and there is no mention of the i386 cd to be able to order it
[02:17] <riddley> netsplit?
[02:17] <Poof> 0o
[02:17] <Poof> o0
[02:18] <ogra> Mesta: logout from ubuntu and take the cd out....restart the computer....
[02:18] <pcnerd37> apparently im not going to get an answer on my last question
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> well fooey i think i'll have to start all over and reinstall ubuntu
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> :(
[02:18] <ogra> pcnerd37: i thought they are there
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> i've just gotten it all set up nicely
[02:19] <riddley> Cloudchaser back up your home dir and important files prior to reinstall...
[02:19] <Cloudchaser> well i don't have any important files really
[02:19] <pcnerd37> the only ones i was able to order is the Power PC cd, the Intex x86 cd, and the AMD64/EM64T cd
[02:19] <ogra> pcnerd37: they are called Intel/x86
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> just my installation with all the media stuff but i can follow that nice ubuntu starters how-to again
[02:20] <ogra> pcnerd37: i386 is equal to Intel/x86
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> i just hope i can remember how to do all the stuff i did
[02:21] <pcnerd37> really?, ok, great.  The Intel threw me off
[02:21] <ogra> pcnerd37: which is equal to amd32
[02:21] <pcnerd37> ah, ok, good
[02:21] <ogra> pcnerd37: amd64 is opteron and such
[02:21] <pcnerd37> will Ununtu run on my Acer Aspire 2012 notebook with the Centrino setup at 1.5GHZ?
[02:21] <illustre> i like what i am reading at home page looks i will try this distro, i am happy with the one i use but ill try this just in case :-)
[02:22] <pcnerd37> yea, AMD64 i knew
[02:22] <ogra> pcnerd37: yep it will run
[02:22] <pcnerd37> sweet
[02:22] <ogra> illustre: good idea
[02:22] <ogra> :)
[02:23] <pcnerd37> my hard drive is all one big partition, is there any free partitioning program that i can shrink the partition and make another for another OS like Ubuntu?
[02:24] <wig> how do i add a root user in ubuntu?
[02:24] <illustre> ogra: does it bring wireless support for laptops?
[02:24] <Amaranth> wig: don't, use sudo
[02:24] <wig> Amaranth: how come?
[02:24] <wig> Amaranth: and how should i use it, ive always used su
[02:25] <ogra> wig: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:25] <Amaranth> sudo command
[02:25] <Cloudchaser> can ubuntu installer CD repair grub without removing my installation of ubuntu?
[02:25] <ogra> illustre: yep
[02:25] <wig> Amaranth: so just "sudo" and it goes to root?
[02:25] <ogra> wig: read the wiki
[02:25] <wig> ogra: this is for personal support, i'd rather have that. :)
[02:25] <Poof> is there a way for me to boot into ubuntu from the install CD? A commandline? Grub did not install
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> poof thats kinda related to my question so hopefully i'll hear an answer that will help me too ;)
[02:26] <ogra> wig: then read it afterwards... its good to know if you use sudo and ubuntu
[02:26] <illustre> ogra: mmmmm schooltool as well diff project ?
[02:27] <Poof> I guess we might just have to get a Bootloader
[02:27] <ogra> illustre: ??
[02:28] <illustre> ogra: i saw on his page a project called schooltool  i like that something i might need  http://www.schooltool.org/schoolbell
[02:28] <wig> one more question. what can i use in ubuntu to use dial up connection?
[02:30] <ogra> wig: pppconfig or wvdial
[02:30] <wig> thank you
[02:31] <transzorp> so just out of curiosity has anyone tried booting a kernel using grub 2.0 on ppc? I've heard it now has support for ppc
[02:32] <NewNick> anyone have a X300 card running properly?
[02:32] <NewNick> like a 9700 pro
[02:32] <Zugot> good luck
[02:32] <NewNick> fglrxinfo says that im using a 9600 pro when im using a 9700 pro :(
[02:33] <NewNick> gah
[02:33] <Zugot> i sold my 9800 xt because it caused some much trouble
[02:33] <NewNick> damn them
[02:33] <Zugot> i'm back to my nvidia ti4600
[02:33] <Myke> NewNick: are there any diference between the two boards?
[02:33] <Zugot> (which isn't a bad card)
[02:33] <Myke> or just same chip diferent speeds?
[02:33] <NewNick> yea - my 9700 pro is much more powerful
[02:33] <NewNick> its limiting my gpu's capabilities
[02:33] <NewNick> cause it doesn't know it has them
[02:33] <NewNick> gah
[02:34] <Myke> NewNick: if it's the same chip but, with diferent speeds
[02:34] <Zugot> NewNick, what exactly are you going to be doing with it in X?
[02:34] <Myke> like geforce ti 4200, ti 4400 and so on..
[02:34] <NewNick> well it would be great if I could play w3x :)
[02:34] <Myke> then, you don't have a problem
[02:35] <NewNick> I tried CHIPIDing in my xfree86config but it only switched froma  9600 generic to a 9600 pro even with the 9700 pro's chipid
[02:35] <NewNick> really gah
[02:35] <NewNick> SUSE was able to get my 9700 pro properly I remember..
[02:35] <NewNick> anyone know if ubuntu/ati is going to get this shit working
[02:36] <_jon_> why doesn't alsa work? wank wank wank
[02:36] <Myke> _jon_: alsa works
[02:43] <billytwowilly> wow
[02:46] <Zugot> billytwowilly, why?
[02:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> hail everybody
[02:47] <RealWorld> hello, I'm on hoary and I want to know how can I can install the latest xfce4 and kde 3.3 ?
[02:47] <st1an> doh, how can i set folder permissions in terminal?
[02:47] <scoon> RealWorld: well xfce has an installer now that gets all that from cvs
[02:48] <RealWorld> well I'll try xfce4 first then
[02:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: do you mean chmod?
[02:48] <st1an> yeah prolly :p
[02:48] <Zugot> does firefox 1.0 come with hoary?
[02:49] <st1an> I wana make it read write to my user, and not only root
[02:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: do sudo chmod *code* folder_name
[02:49] <billytwowilly> Zugot, I just finished watching a speech by Mrs. Peg Liksik, founder and CEO of Mom's House International. Basically, the US education system is one huge Big brother complex grooming the children to be mindless zombie workers.
[02:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: look at google but I THINK it is chmod 745
[02:50] <RealWorld> to get kde 3.3 just do apt-get install kde ?
[02:50] <st1an> I cant google :( my isp is having trubble, thats why Im asking
[02:50] <scoon> billytwowilly, huh ?  I am a product of the american education system!!!!! where can i see this ?
[02:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: lemme look for you
[02:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> well i'm sure 777 allowes EVERYBODY to write on
[02:50] <billytwowilly> Zugot, I could send it to you I suppose.
[02:51] <st1an> hehe that would do the trick realy
[02:51] <st1an> :)
[02:51] <billytwowilly> Zugot, I think I got it off of demonoid.com or torrentreactor.to, but I don't see it now
[02:51] <st1an> thanks
[02:51] <st1an> Il look in tho chmood later, now I wana hear music, and get my ntfs partiotion mounted ;) gnight!
[02:52] <Lin> Hi all
[02:52] <Lin> Why when I starting GDM it says. There is already a gdm session running.. As I can see there is 2 gdm sessions openend.
[02:52] <Mesta> exit
[02:53] <Hikaru79> When does this happen, Lin?
[02:54] <Lin> when I do /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:54] <Hikaru79> With gdm already started?
[02:54] <Lin> Hikaru79: of course, there isn't
[02:54] <Hikaru79> So, when you're in command-line ONLY? Single-user mode?
[02:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uchmod.htm
[02:54] <Lin> no
[02:54] <Hikaru79> In GNOME?
[02:54] <Lin> I didn't use gdm from startup
[02:55] <Lin> in command line
[02:55] <Hikaru79> But is Gnome running or not?
[02:55] <Lin> I never tried in another way
[02:55] <Hikaru79> When you try to run gdm
[02:55] <Lin> Hikaru79: not
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Then try this
[02:55] <Lin> Hikaru79: there is no gnome running
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Press Ctrl+Alt+F7
[02:55] <Hikaru79> In the command line mode
[02:55] <Lin> Alt+F7 will do the job
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Oh, just alt?
[02:55] <Lin> there isn't anything
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Hm... :|
[02:56] <Hikaru79> And it says there's already a sessio running?
[02:56] <Lin> CTRL should be used only if you're inside X
[02:56] <Lin> HolyGod: of course not :-)
[02:56] <Hikaru79> But Alt+F7 doesn't do anything?
[02:56] <Lin> Open an empty terminal
[02:56] <Lin> Hikaru79: I'm not a newbie
[02:56] <Hikaru79> I see ^ ^;;
[02:56] <Lin> Hikaru79: this is a bug?
[02:56] <Hikaru79> Perhaps, but I'm still confused about the circumstances
[02:56] <Hikaru79> This is on a different computer right?
[02:57] <Lin> what mean "different computer" ?
[02:57] <Hikaru79> What computer are you trying to do this on?
[02:57] <Lin> in my computer
[02:57] <Lin> I'm inside it right now
[02:57] <Hikaru79> The one you're using right now to talk on IRC?
[02:57] <Lin> Using irssi to talk with you
[02:58] <Lin> yes
[02:58] <Hikaru79> irssi? So you're not in GNOME right now?
[02:58] <Lin> as I said before.. no.. I'm not in gnome
[02:58] <Hikaru79> K
[02:58] <Hikaru79> Just checking
[02:58] <Lin> ;_P fine
[02:58] <Hikaru79> Do: sudo gdm       and paste the output
[02:59] <scoon> Lin, try this: killall gdm && killall xdm
[02:59] <Lin> I will run with root
[02:59] <macewan> after upgrading to hoary and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gnome barfs on starting with: Failed to start message bus: Attribute "if_selinux_enabled" is invalid on <include> element in this context.
[02:59] <Lin> scoon: :_P same problem happens
[02:59] <scoon> Lin, ps aux | grep -i dm
[02:59] <scoon> nothing shows  ?
[02:59] <Lin> there is no xdm installed
[02:59] <Lin> gdm isn't running
[03:00] <Lin> only the grep :-)
[03:00] <scoon> Lin, xdm comes w/ xorg or xfree
[03:00] <scoon> Lin, sorry brother, but it is.
[03:01] <ajmitch_> scoon: doesn't mean it's running
[03:01] <scoon> Lin, try to unload all of your video drivers.
[03:01] <mroth> hrm, the perl install in hoary doesnt have LWP::Simple?
[03:01] <scoon> ajmitch_, no it doesn't but it is STILL INSTALLED.
[03:01] <ajmitch_> there's possibly a file in /var/run, eg /var/run/gdm.pid
[03:01] <ajmitch_> scoon: calm down with the caps
[03:01] <Lin> scoon: only if you install x-window-system
[03:01] <scoon> ajmitch_, but i love them.
[03:02] <scoon> Lin, so do you have an X installed ?
[03:02] <Hikaru79> ajmitch_, he's not abusing them or anything.
[03:02] <Lin> numenor:~# /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:02] <Lin> Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm not running.
[03:02] <Lin> numenor:~# killall xdm kdm
[03:02] <Lin> xdm: no process killed
[03:02] <Lin> kdm: no process killed
[03:02] <Zugot> to upgrade to hoary, all i would have to do is change my sources.list and then do a apt-get upgrade?
[03:02] <Lin> numenor:~# ps ax | grep -i dm | grep -v grep
[03:02] <reversal`> how can i change ownership of something like /mnt/win, or change it so its not read only?
[03:03] <reversal`> Zugot: if you change it to hoary make sure you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:03] <Lin> then when I start gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm start
[03:03] <Zugot> ah...
[03:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> cant I use "import" to take a screenshot in ubuntu?
[03:03] <Nexus6> any install experts around? especially GRUB/LILO experts?
[03:03] <Nexus6> My AMD64 box won't boot via GRUB
[03:03] <reversal`> i just finished doing that
[03:03] <reversal`> took forever tho
[03:03] <reversal`> :P
[03:03] <Lin> I notice that there is a X running in: VT7
[03:03] <Lin>  3022 ?        SL     0:02 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[03:03] <Nexus6> and I can't work out how to get Lilo onto the box to rework the boot stuff
[03:04] <Lin> but gdm open open a dialog in terminal 8:  3180 tty8     Ss+    0:00 /usr/bin/dialog --yesno blablabla
[03:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone else having troubles with import?
[03:05] <Zugot> ok... upgrading to hoary right now
[03:06] <Zugot> this ought to be interesting
[03:06] <Nexus6> Any boot gurus at all?
[03:06] <Nexus6> I could just go sleep
[03:06] <Nexus6> :-(
[03:06] <reversal`> what do you need?
[03:07] <Nexus6> a way to install LILO off the net while installing Warty
[03:07] <reversal`> i use grub :o
[03:07] <Nexus6> Grub hangs on my box
[03:07] <Nexus6> Hung for Mandrake 10.1
[03:07] <_jon_> LILO hangs on my shelf
[03:07] <Nexus6> Hangs for Ubuntu
[03:07] <scoon> Lin, so ? what about killall gdm ?
[03:08] <Nexus6> Probably my BIOS, but I don't see an update
[03:08] <punkass> is there any info i can find abou the shipping of the warty CD's?
[03:09] <stuNNed_> howdy how howdy ho ho now that acpi pm is working, let's see if updated kernel fixes linuxant modem oops as well!  can i file an oops with ubuntu bugzilla regarding linuxant hsf modem drivers?
[03:09] <punkass> just curious when the next shipment is going out...
[03:09] <punkass> by boss is using a hsf modem driver on his dell D600 with ubuntu and its fine
[03:09] <punkass> by = my
[03:09] <Nexus6> or *gulp* is there a way to make a boot floppy in the Warty installer?
[03:10] <stuNNed_> punkass, aha! know how he got it working?
[03:10] <s0cks> Welcome to Ubuntu aperson!
[03:11] <punkass> I did it..all i did was follow the instructions on there site..
[03:11] <stuNNed_> punkass, installed the .deb?
[03:11] <punkass> yes
[03:11] <stuNNed_> punkass, warty? hoary? what kernel?
[03:11] <punkass> just a plain warty install
[03:11] <jmhodges> ok folks i need some help
[03:12] <stuNNed_> don't know why mine is oopsing then, oh well
[03:12] <Lin> scoon: when I repeat the process gdm stop/ killall gdm /ps axu | grep -i dm (verify that no gdm or X is running) , and start gdm again.  I will try that..
[03:14] <stuNNed_> punkass, i get in syslog:
[03:14] <stuNNed_> Nov 10 21:15:00 localhost kernel: Conexant: RX FIFO OVERRUN (Bus Latency) - FIFOE
[03:14] <stuNNed_> Nov 10 21:15:00 localhost kernel: Conexant: TX FIFO UNDERRUN (Bus Latency) - FIFOE
[03:14] <scoon> Lin, what do you have to loose ?
[03:14] <Ruffian|Q|> heh
[03:14] <scoon> Lin, never overlook the not-so-obvious
[03:14] <punkass> so u can run hsfconfig and it installs et?
[03:14] <punkass> et = etc
[03:14] <sphexus> hi guys, i need help, someone please help me
[03:14] <stuNNed_> punkass, yes
[03:14] <illustre> how can i tell driver version with modprobe
[03:15] <Lin> numenor:~# lsmod|grep nvidia
[03:15] <Lin> nvidia               4819604  0
[03:15] <punkass> stuNNEd: i would email them..they are pretty quick at responding and pretty helpful
[03:16] <punkass> them being linuxant
[03:16] <Lin> scoon: all empty
[03:16] <Lin> scoon: starting
[03:16] <stuNNed_> yes i have they said try another kernel with piix built in and not as module, which i did, didn't help, now they are saying try a whole different kernel w/out ubuntu patchset i guess
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> for whoever had the question about installing grub after ubuntu is installed, i found this: > How do i reinstall the grub loader without reinstalling the whole
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> > system?
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> Boot from an Ubuntu livecd and install grub on your master hard drive.
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> Make sure that it has a menu entry to boot your Windows system too
[03:17] <sphexus> hoary has screwed up my display, and so im trying to reinstall warty stuff using "apt-get update," but my internet isn't working
[03:17] <Lin> scoon: same problem
[03:17] <illustre> Lin:that does not show driver version
[03:17] <sphexus> does anyone know how i can get linux to get the internet working again?
[03:17] <Lin> scoon: I wil try to reboot (I HATE REBOOTS)
[03:17] <scoon> Lin, WAIT
[03:17] <punkass> oh...well at least you know there is one computer running ubuntu out there that it works on...
[03:18] <scoon> Lin, try this as a final attempt,
[03:18] <Lin> illustre: yes didn't show, I'm using 6111 nvidia driver
[03:18] <scoon> Lin: apt-get check
[03:18] <sphexus> my internet is up, but it's not working on linux.  anyone know what i can do to get it working?
[03:18] <stuNNed_> punkass, must be something odd with this laptop and hal or something, no clue
[03:18] <punkass> sphexus: sudo ifup eth0
[03:18] <Lin> scoon: no broken packages
[03:19] <zenpod> sphexus, do you use DHCP?
[03:20] <scoon>  Lin, cat /etc/inittab | grep default  ? ? ?
[03:20] <sphexus> thanks punkass
[03:20] <sphexus> yes, zen, i do
[03:20] <punkass> did that work?
[03:20] <sphexus> i got it, i had to run /sbin/ifconfig
[03:20] <Lin> scoon: runlevel 2
[03:20] <stuNNed_> punkass, thanks though, cya
[03:20] <Lin> id:2:initdefault:
[03:20] <scoon> Lin, yeah, that is what I have.  sorry, got no more ideas !
[03:21] <zenpod> sphexus, ok, I was just going to say, ifconfig eth0 down, dhclient eth0, ifconfig eth0 up
[03:21] <zenpod> :D
[03:21] <Lin> scoon: Me too.. I have tried everything
[03:22] <Lin> scoon: Running gdm from comand line (without gdm script) happen the same thing :-(
[03:22] <scoon> Lin, even startx ?
[03:22] <punkass> jdub u around?
[03:22] <sphexus> yup, thanks guys, i appreciate your help
[03:22] <jdub> punkass: yeah
[03:23] <Lin> startx works ;-)
[03:23] <punkass> just curious about the cd orders
[03:23] <Lin> scoon: but without gdm, of course :-)
[03:23] <scoon> Lin: hmmm.  why not try and re-apt gdm then ?
[03:23] <punkass> buddy of mine just got his today.. but mine still says it hasnt been sent
[03:23] <scoon> Lin, also check the X-log in /var/log
[03:24] <punkass> we both ordered near the beginning of Oct i believe.
[03:24] <punkass> not sure if this is your department or not...
[03:25] <Lin> scoon: I have done it already
[03:25] <Lin> I will see the logs
[03:25] <scoon> Lin, sorry then all i'd say to try would be to re-apt gdm
[03:25] <Lin> nothing wrong in logs
[03:26] <ajmitch_> jdub: btw, how often do you sync from sid at the moment?
[03:26] <gpled> is their a doc for getting my sound card to work?
[03:27] <punkass> out of curiousity whats not working Lin?
[03:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> Can I ask for 100 ubuntu CDs or it is too much?
[03:28] <adoyretsamon> lol
[03:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> It is for an install fest
[03:29] <jdub> ajmitch_: AS FAST AS WE CAN
[03:29] <jdub> ajmitch_: daily, i think
[03:29] <jdub> ajmitch_: no rest for the rocking.
[03:30] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I think you can
[03:30] <ajmitch_> that's useful
[03:30] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I asked for 12
[03:30] <zenpod> 5 i386, 2 PPC, 5 AMD64
[03:30] <ajmitch_> jdub: all source packages imported are built for universe, or not?
[03:31] <jdub> ajmitch_: we bring in source; everything is built against ubuntu
[03:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: The site says I can order "as many as I want" but I dont wanna be the childish who orders a huge amount of CDs and make they think I'm cheating them or wasting their money
[03:31] <ajmitch_> jdub: alright, I just noticed some warty packages that only had source, no binaries
[03:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: Can I make multiple orders I mean order like 25 now, 25 next month and this way go?
[03:32] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I think as long as you're actually using them, it's okay.  Really, the only one who will know or care is your and your conscience.  If you need 100, order 100.
[03:32] <jdub> ajmitch_: build failures, here are the logs:
[03:32] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[03:32] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I have no idea.  Still, the spirit of ubuntu seems to be, if you really need 100, I think they'd give you 100.
[03:32] <Amaranth> heh, buggy update-manager
[03:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: for a meeting of like 500~700 ppl I think 100 cds are a cool number right?
[03:33] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I guess, I've never done/been to/arranged an installfest
[03:33] <ajmitch_> jdub: thanks..
[03:33] <ajmitch_>  /bin/sh: line 1: python: command not found
[03:33] <ajmitch_> that's an interesting failure for my package
[03:34] <ajmitch_> the later version for hoary built fine, so I'm not too concerned
[03:34] <punkass> jdub: so is there someone i can mail to ask?
[03:34] <Amaranth> yea! gnome packages are building on libxklavier10 now
[03:34] <Amaranth> it was a PITA getting libxklavier9 and manually installing it
[03:35] <jdub> punkass: what's the question?
[03:35] <punkass> lol
[03:35] <punkass> just curious about the cd orders
[03:35] <punkass> buddy of mine just got his today.. but mine still says it hasnt been sent
[03:36] <punkass> we both ordered near the beginning of Oct i believe
[03:36] <jdub> depends on when you ordered them - you might have done it after the first cutoff
[03:36] <jdub> there should be a mail address up there for you to mail
[03:36] <Quest-Master> Has anyone gotten MIDI to work?
[03:37] <palle> how can i see all my partitions and info about them on a harddrive?
[03:37] <punkass> jdub: ah right at the bottom of the faqs...thanks
[03:38] <ixus> palle:  go into system tools / system monitor
[03:38] <ixus> fromthe application menu
[03:38] <palle> okay, thnx ixus
[03:39] <tommie_> i am stuck
[03:39] <tommie_> anybody there
[03:39] <warty> hi
[03:39] <Lin> Why ubuntu openoffice requires: Depends: language-support-pt-br
[03:40] <Lin> if there isn't that package in repositories?
[03:40] <warty> do you have a portugeese install
[03:40] <tommie_> i hooked up another hard drive after i installed ubuntu, now whenever it starts no GUI will come up or anything, it'll say something like Display already set on :1 or something like that
[03:40] <Lin> or language-suporte-en
[03:40] <palle> ixus do you know if i can transfer space from one partition to another using linux?
[03:41] <Lin> teigor@numenor:~$ apt-cache search language-support
[03:41] <palle> i'd like to transfer some space from /home to / is that possible?
[03:41] <Lin> no response..
[03:41] <warty> palle what file system?
[03:42] <warty> if it is ext3 you can do it with a knoppix disk using qtparted
[03:42] <palle> ext3
[03:42] <ixus> palle:  the only way I know is at install - rewriting the partition table
[03:42] <warty> ext3 is resizable
[03:42] <ixus> why, what do you want to do?
[03:42] <warty> bye bye
[03:42] <tommie_> anybody know what i should do? i'm in recovery mode right now
[03:43] <palle> ohh, what is a knoppix disk warty?
[03:43] <ixus> does the command line come up?
[03:43] <ixus> palle:  knoppix is a liveCD based on debian
[03:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> why my apt-get inst prompting for confirmation before installing new packages
[03:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> ?
[03:44] <tommie_> ixus talking to me?
[03:44] <ixus> yeah :)
[03:44] <palle> ixus: it's the live cd i got with my ubuntu dist?
[03:45] <palle> and if it is, i only have to boot my computer with the cd?
[03:45] <Lin> another weird thing:
[03:45] <Lin> igor@numenor:~$ apt-cache policy gnome-session | grep Candidate
[03:45] <Lin>   Candidate: 2.8.1-3ubuntu1
[03:45] <Lin> igor@numenor:~$ apt-cache policy gnome-panel | grep Candidate
[03:45] <Lin>   Candidate: 2.9.1-0ubuntu2
[03:45] <tommie_> yes i can get to a cmd line through recovery mode
[03:45] <ixus> palle: - I don't know.  I downloaded my ubuntu - no idea how it ships
[03:45] <palle> okay
[03:45] <Lin> why there is difference in gnome versions?
[03:45] <tommie_> other than that i'll get a messed up looking xfree86 gui
[03:46] <palle> and warty left =(
[03:47] <ixus> tommie:  try typing 'xorgconfig'  at the command line, before X loads
[03:47] <jdub> Lin: well, first - you're running hoary, and 2.9 is the gnome development release.
[03:47] <jdub> Lin: second, there's no guarantee that the versions between any of those packages will be the same.
[03:47] <tommie_> alright, i'lll go give that a try
[03:48] <Zugot> my hoary upgrade seems to have worked fine
[03:48] <Lin> jdub: yes.. I'm running hoary
[03:49] <tommie_> ok well, i'm in recovery mode, xorgconfig not a known command
[03:49] <Zugot> magilla@fire:~ $ glxgears
[03:49] <Zugot> 21191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4238.200 FPS
[03:49] <Zugot> :)
[03:49] <Zugot> finally
[03:49] <Zugot> it was 200FPS before
[03:50] <tommie_> i don't know how to bring up a command line because i'll get stuck in the display already set thing
[03:51] <ixus> Is anybody in here using a Via mini-itx board with ubuntu?
[03:52] <krusty> hi, anybody knows a msn client support webcams???
[03:53] <Gmail> gaim i think has a half working plug in
[03:54] <krusty> what plug in is Gmail??
[03:55] <gpled> i did modprobe snd-cs4236 and modprobe ad1848. now my sound works.  how can i make it stick? so i dont keep having to modprobe it in.
[03:55] <wig> hey, where's the kernel source for ubuntu?
[03:55] <Gmail> krusty: look at gaim.sf.net and look
[03:55] <Gmail> wig: kernel.org
[03:55] <wig> gmail, doh, i mean in ubuntu. isn't it installed?
[03:55] <Gmail> wig: you can also apt-get it
[03:55] <wig> i have dial up, that'll take too long. :-/
[03:56] <Gmail> its binary
[03:56] <Gmail> wig: i remeber downloading it on dail up 10MB
[03:56] <wig> gmail: huh?
[03:56] <Gmail> why do you need it
[03:57] <wig> for some dial up stuff.
[03:57] <wig> i need to get my modem to work on ubuntu 2.6.8 kernel
[03:57] <wig> but i need the source, apparently.
[03:58] <wig> anyone?
[03:58] <wig> is kernel source even in ubuntu?
[03:59] <krusty> there are no plug in for webcam on gaim
[04:00] <jdub> wig: apt-cache search linux source
[04:00] <electroglas> I have setup a Laserjet 4 on one Ubuntu computer and wish to print to it from another Ubuntu computer. What do I enter into the URI for this remote printer? Would it be ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/ipp ?
[04:00] <scoon> Lin, any luck ?
[04:02] <tommie_> "There already appears to be an X server running on display :0 Should I try another display number?" ... Anybody see this before?
[04:02] <wig> anyone? kernel source on ubuntu?
[04:02] <tommie_> GNOME won't start
[04:02] <Zugot> so what exactly does xcompmgr do anyways?
[04:02] <scoon> tommie_: ask Lin about that !!!!
[04:02] <Zugot> just the drop shadow?
[04:03] <tommie_> :(
[04:03] <wig> tommie_: havey ou restarted it?
[04:03] <scoon> tommie_, are you running warty or hoary ?
[04:03] <tommie_> Yes, it just gives me another one saying "running on display :1" then it'll go to :2 then :3
[04:03] <tommie_> warty
[04:04] <wig> anyone? is there kernel source on ubuntu?
[04:04] <scoon> wig, try synaptic
[04:04] <wig> what's that?
[04:04] <wig> scoon:
[04:04] <scoon> wig, the GUI for apt-get
[04:04] <tommie_> all I remember is installing xchat/gaim from the hoary sources and then hooking up an ntfs as a slave then I get that message on booting
[04:05] <wig> agh. im on dial-up. is it NOT on ubuntu then?
[04:05] <scoon> wig, dunno, i get my source from kernel.org
[04:05] <wig> hmm
[04:06] <scoon> tommie_, what are the chances that you just did a complete hoary install on accident ?
[04:06] <GotD0t> are you supposed to be able to get into a terminal using the LiveCD?
[04:07] <tommie_> Oh no, I did apt-get install gaim then xchat then switched the sources back to warty
[04:07] <scoon> tommie_, did anything else get installed ?
[04:07] <wig> anyone? does anyone know if the kernel source comes on ubuntu install?
[04:07] <Sensebend> I think a new gtk might be installed
[04:07] <Sensebend> with those package selections
[04:08] <scoon> tommie_, what does X -version give up ?
[04:08] <Sensebend> which might be making gdm go crazy
[04:08] <tommie_> I'll go check
[04:08] <Sensebend> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5947&highlight=gdm
[04:08] <scoon> has tommie heard of gnome-terminal ?
[04:08] <Sensebend> this post might be relevant
[04:08] <wig> anyone?
[04:09] <wig> anyone know if ubuntu comes with the kernel source??!?
[04:09] <scoon> wig: do you mean the CD ?
[04:09] <Sensebend> wig, it's in the repos. afaik
[04:09] <wig> scoon: yeah.
[04:09] <wig> Sensebend: what do you mean?
[04:09] <Sensebend> in the apt repositories
[04:09] <Sensebend> I believe the kernel sources are there
[04:10] <wig> Sensebend: what are those?
[04:10] <scoon> wig, try find /media/cdrom0 | grep -i kernel
[04:10] <Sensebend> they might be on the CD
[04:10] <Sensebend> I dunno
[04:10] <Sensebend> I haven't needed them yet
[04:10] <wig> let me check the cd.
[04:10] <tommie_> Ok, what do I type to find out the version # of x server? *newbie alert!*
[04:10] <wig> im not on linux right now cause i can't get dial up working on it
[04:10] <Sensebend> X -version
[04:10] <scoon> tommie_, X -version from gnome-terminal
[04:11] <Sensebend> scoon, he can't start X
[04:11] <tommie_> gnome terminal ok cause x didn't do anything
[04:12] <scoon> Sensebend, damn, my bad.
[04:12] <Sensebend> no problem
[04:12] <Sensebend> :)
[04:13] <tommie_> haha, well i thought that'd work
[04:13] <wig> has anyone worked with lucent/agere modems?
[04:13] <scoon> tommie_, try this: dpkg -l | grep xfree
[04:14] <wig> hey, guyes. how do i look in the linux cd? it's just a bunch of folders, iso
[04:14] <tommie_> alright
[04:14] <NeCrOsYs> hello everybody
[04:14] <LucidVisions> greetings
[04:14] <scoon> what is the larges mp3 collection anyone has loaded into rhythmbox ?
[04:15] <ixus> Anyone using a via mainboard? I'm not sure wether to go with via graphic drivers orxorg unichrome
[04:15] <ixus> any ideas?
[04:15] <Sensebend> I have one with a via chipset
[04:15] <ixus> sensebend: how's you 3D?
[04:15] <Sensebend> works ok
[04:15] <Sensebend> and I don't use 3D
[04:16] <wig> anyone know?
[04:16] <tommie_> ok, that brought up 3 things
[04:16] <ixus> ah, mine sucks - just tried playing chromium - system slowed to a crawl
[04:16] <tommie_> xfree86-common 4.30.dfsg.1-6, xfree86-driver 0.13.3-1, xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6
[04:17] <Sensebend> I use a 30GB collection in XMMS
[04:17] <Sensebend> loaded as a playlist
[04:18] <Quest-Master> I have a 40GB hard-drive.. ;_;
[04:19] <scoon> tommie_, so you have xfree installed.
[04:19] <Quest-Master> Is Ubuntu going to begin using Xorg?
[04:19] <Sensebend> Quest-Master, it will
[04:19] <Sensebend> in Hoary
[04:19] <tommie_> what should i do?
[04:19] <Quest-Master> :)
[04:20] <Sensebend> it's running it now if you want to run the hoary work in progress version
[04:20] <ixus> what's all this?  My ubunti does use Xorg
[04:20] <Sensebend> :)
[04:20] <Sensebend> if you don't mind occasional breakage
[04:20] <Sensebend> or can't wait til' april
[04:20] <ixus> I have the preview release, doesn't the main relese use it?
[04:21] <Quest-Master> I'll wait till April
[04:21] <Sensebend> warty does not
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Software breaks enough for me right now in Linux
[04:21] <Sensebend> hoary does
[04:21] <Quest-Master> XD
[04:21] <Sensebend> :D
[04:21] <scoon> warty is the most stable thing i have used in quite some time
[04:21] <scoon> i love it
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:22] <ixus> ah, which is the later?  I was sure I had warty preview & that has Xorg
[04:22] <Quest-Master> A lot of the software like totem and BEEP are't though
[04:22] <Quest-Master> *aren't
[04:22] <Sensebend> most stable thing I've used is freebsd 4.x
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Heh
[04:22] <Sensebend> not to start a flamewar :)
[04:22] <ixus> Slackware has been pretty rock solid for me
[04:22] <Quest-Master> I've never used it.
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is very nicely stable.
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Just wish some of this software would shape up.
[04:23] <Quest-Master> :X
[04:23] <wig> is there kernel source on ubunt?
[04:23] <jdub> wig: apt-cache search linux source
[04:23] <LucidVisions> even composite transparency
[04:24] <wig> jdub: i dont want to get it from offline. is it not on ubuntu?
[04:24] <jdub> wig: no, it's not installed by default or available on the cd.
[04:24] <wig> agh.
[04:24] <wig> damn it. what kernel is provided with the cd they sent out?
[04:25] <jdub> wig: we ship <IP_ADDRESS>.
[04:25] <jdub> wig: what do you need?
[04:25] <Sensebend> oh speaking of the CD shipments, I never got mine
[04:25] <wig> jdub: im trying to install some modem patches for a lucent/agere modem, but i need the kernel source
[04:26] <ixus> jdub:  Any idea for via epia graphics drivers?
[04:26] <jdub> ixus: not sure, no
[04:26] <ixus> I shall get back to the boards then if I have any luck
[04:27] <Zugot> i'm not sure if i'm sold on xcompmgr yet
[04:27] <Zugot> maybe... but i'm not sure
[04:27] <wig> jdub: i was hoping that 2.6.n had rectified this problem, but no such luck :-P
[04:29] <Myke> also nice, would be gnomemeeting that's still in cvs... it supports v4l2, and some cheap webcams only have drivers for this, not for v4l...
[04:29] <LucidVisions> anyone here use xfce4?
[04:29] <scoon> LucidVisions, YES
[04:30] <dad> anyone map multifunction keys on an apple pro keyboard?
[04:31] <LucidVisions> scoon: how do you enable the debian menu, when i right click shaded out,but there
[04:32] <ixus> Lucidvisions:  yes.  xfce 4 is pretty sweet
[04:32] <scoon> LucidVisions, good question, i have not looked into doing that, sorry.
[04:32] <ixus> graphical installer too, takes care of everything
[04:33] <LucidVisions> its cool,ill have to figure it out,xfce4 is pimp
[04:33] <LucidVisions> its fast as hell
[04:33] <ixus> did you download the goodies pack too?
[04:34] <LucidVisions> ixus: um,,ill do that now,maby thats it a
[04:34] <scoon> LucidVisions, yea it is.  i like it a bunch.
[04:36] <GotD0t> whats the root password for the LiveCD
[04:36] <ixus> is there an app in Ubuntu to convert rpms to source, or install them?
[04:37] <skvidal> is there anyway to install ubuntu on a system w/o a cd drive?
[04:37] <GotD0t> skvidal: i think you can do a network install
[04:37] <skvidal> GotD0t: but how do I boot it?
[04:38] <skvidal> in rh-based distros I could boot from a kernel and an initrd
[04:38] <skvidal> is there a way to do that w/ubuntu?
[04:38] <electroglas> I want to print from an Ubuntu PC to a PC that has Ubuntu and a printer installed. What format would the URI be in? ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/ippXXXXXXXX
[04:38] <blicksky> hey...im' wondering if anyone can help me get my Irda port working on my thinkpad T22
[04:38] <GotD0t> skvidal: i don't know
[04:38] <skvidal> GotD0t: okay
[04:40] <blicksky> anyone have any experience with that?
[04:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> ixus: maybe rpm2deb?
[04:41] <zenpod> slirn
[04:41] <zenpod> *alien
[04:42] <Sensebend> ixus use alien
[04:42] <Sensebend> alien -i rpmfile.rpm
[04:43] <jmhodges> hey could someone help me with some scewy dependency problems with openoffice
[04:43] <jmhodges> ?
[04:44] <jdub> jmhodges: on hoary? it's being fixed.
[04:44] <jmhodges> jdub: i less than 3 you, you should know that.
[04:44] <gen> 3?
[04:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> guys gtg good night everybody
[04:44] <phlaegel> are there mono dependency problems in hoary at the moment?
[04:44] <phlaegel> mono-assemblies-base in particular?
[04:44] <jmhodges> phlaegel: what kind of problem are you having?
[04:45] <jmhodges> gen: <3
[04:45] <gen> <3
[04:45] <jmhodges> hehe
[04:45] <phlaegel> mono-assemblies-base won't upgrade
[04:45] <phlaegel> I'm switching a warty box to hoary
[04:46] <jmhodges> ah, try removing it and then reinstalling
[04:46] <phlaegel> it seems like mono-jit and mono-assemblies-arch have already updated, but -base won't go, which chokes the whole thing.
[04:46] <usual> phlaegel, what does it say
[04:46] <phlaegel> Unmet dependencies is the error
[04:46] <blicksky> no one knows anything about Irda in ubuntu?
[04:46] <phlaegel> -f install doesn't help
[04:46] <usual> phlaegel, did you try apt-get -f install
[04:46] <usual> oh
[04:47] <ixus> thanks Imanewbie & Sensebend :)
[04:47] <jmhodges> phlaegel: whats it asking for?
[04:47] <ixus> I'll try those
[04:47] <phlaegel> mono-assemblies-base
[04:48] <usual> mono-assemblies-base - the Mono .NET class libraries
[04:48] <usual> it's in there
[04:48] <phlaegel> no kidding
[04:48] <jmhodges> yep
[04:48] <jmhodges> so lets see if i can duplicate in a similar fashion
[04:48] <jmhodges> i dont have it installed already though..
[04:48] <phlaegel> I know it's there, it won't install it... trying to get a more specific error
[04:49] <eclipse> how come i can't open firefox that i just installed?
[04:49] <jmhodges> eclipse: eh?
[04:49] <zenpod> eclipse, which firefox, 1.0?
[04:49] <eclipse> yes
[04:49] <zenpod> eclipse, did you set a symlink to /usr/bin/firefox?
[04:49] <LucidVisions> blicksky: that is a tough one
[04:50] <eclipse> zenpod, i open the dir where i installed the app
[04:50] <zenpod> or /usr/local/bin/firefox ..whatever
[04:50] <zenpod> eclipse, and?
[04:50] <blicksky> lucidvisions: yeah, i found something about someone getting it working under another distro...something about editing the /etc/modules file, but i didn't that and it didn't help
[04:50] <eclipse> well, i installed in /usr/share/firefox
[04:50] <zenpod> eclipse, ok.  did you install as user, or as root?
[04:50] <blicksky> lucidvisions: i also got the irda-utils package off synaptic
[04:50] <jmhodges> phlaegel: hmm.. i can't duplicate here..
[04:51] <jmhodges> have you tried installing -base by itself?
[04:51] <LucidVisions> ahh,,are you running warty,or hoary?
[04:51] <eclipse> zenpod, i used sudo to install it
[04:51] <blicksky> warty
[04:51] <zenpod> eclipse, ahh...
[04:51] <jmhodges> phlaegel: or did i miss something in your description
[04:51] <eclipse> as root i would say
[04:51] <jmhodges> eclipse: you mean you ran apt-get with sudo? like `sudo apt-get <etc>`
[04:52] <eclipse> no, i downloaded firefox thru firefox.com
[04:52] <zenpod> eclipse, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4206&highlight=firefox+1
[04:52] <LucidVisions> blicksky: I know this sounds risky,but what if you install the irda-utils package from hoary,it shouldnt break anything
[04:53] <LucidVisions> its alot newer
[04:53] <eclipse> zenpod, i can't go online cause firefox won't freaking open
[04:53] <zenpod> eclipse, lol oh
[04:53] <blicksky> lucidvisions: alright, but how do I do that?
[04:53] <zenpod> eclipse, what's the error you get?
[04:53] <usual> phlaegel, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mcs/
[04:53] <usual> download it and force it
[04:53] <usual> if ya have to
[04:53] <eclipse> something like not compatible with locale or locale is not comp. with Xlib
[04:54] <phlaegel> jmhodges: I've tried several things now. Seems no matter what I try, it complains that it can't install that pkg. Why can't apt do some tasks, and ignore the broken ones?
[04:54] <usual> or maybe you don't have universe enabled in sources.list
[04:54] <LucidVisions> you can change the /etc/apt/sources.list,,evey line that has warty in it change it to hoary,
[04:54] <zenpod> eclipse, ahhh.. which locale do you use?
[04:54] <blicksky> ok
[04:54] <zenpod> US?
[04:54] <eclipse> enUS
[04:54] <eclipse> yes
[04:54] <zenpod> hm.
[04:54] <eclipse> default
[04:54] <zenpod> and you downloaded the en_us ff?
[04:54] <usual>  mono-assemblies-base_1.0.2-1_all.deb
[04:54] <LucidVisions> then fire up synaptic and update the list,refresh
[04:55] <blicksky> lucidvisions: can i change it all to hoary and do a mass upgrade? or is it not safe to do that yet?
[04:55] <zenpod> eclipse, try installing it as your user to your home dir, see if you can get it to run, or if you get that same error.  I've heard installing it via sudo can break stuff.
[04:55] <phlaegel> here we go: mono-assemblies-base wants to overwrite /usr/lib/mono, which is also in libdbus-cil
[04:55] <LucidVisions> you can,but you can also just change it for the time being to upgrade a package or 2
[04:55] <eclipse> zenpod, so what do u think man?
[04:55] <LucidVisions> and change back to warty
[04:56] <LucidVisions> blicksky: eitherway,,i did that a few days ago to get the new mozilla and xchat
[04:56] <eclipse> that could be the case
[04:56] <zenpod> LucidVisions, but next time you upgrade, won't it revert back to the old ones?
[04:56] <eclipse> let me try that
[04:56] <zenpod> eclipse, give it a shot
[04:56] <eclipse> ok, one sec
[04:57] <ixus> right, I'm off to install unichrome to sort out my graphics. . .
[04:57] <blicksky> lucidvisions: great, thanks, i was wondering how to get the latest packages....am I write in thinking that Warty froze at what was released for 4.10, and nothing new will be added to it?
[04:57] <blicksky> right*
[04:57] <ixus> it i t works first time I'll b back to report :)
[04:57] <LucidVisions> zenpod: it shouldnt,,if you apt-get upgrade,,but if you apt-get -dist upgrade it will
[04:57] <zenpod> blicksky, except for security updates, yes
[04:57] <blicksky> ok, cool
[04:57] <zenpod> LucidVisions, so smart upgrade in synaptic is which?
[04:58] <zenpod> LucidVisions, just curious, since it's what I use, and I am considering doing your trick there to get FF1.0 in Warty
[04:58] <LucidVisions> just sec,,
[04:59] <blicksky> hrm....i got a bunch of errors in synaptic, it didn't seem to like what I changed
[05:00] <LucidVisions> errors? thats odd
[05:00] <zenpod> blicksky, did you reload your repository list?
[05:00] <zenpod> refresh/reload/etc
[05:00] <zenpod> download the updated lists :)
[05:00] <blicksky> maybe not, i only pressed the refresh button
[05:00] <eclipse> zenpod, damn it didn't work man
[05:01] <zenpod> eclipse, you will need to delete it, and reinstall 0.9.3
[05:01] <zenpod> eclipse, I had the same issue
[05:01] <blicksky> alright, i think I've got it
[05:01] <eclipse> zenpod, and then install 1.0?
[05:02] <zenpod> eclipse, yeah, but you may want to try setting your main to hoary, and installing ONLY FF1.0, then setting it back to warty.  I expect that'd be the easiest way to install it.
[05:02] <blicksky> this'll take a while, i'll be back later if i still need help...thanks!
[05:02] <zenpod> blicksky, :)
[05:02] <LucidVisions> blicksky: no prob,,good luck
[05:02] <eclipse> well, i'm running hoary not warty
[05:02] <zenpod> Ack
[05:03] <zenpod> then just get it from apt. LOL
[05:04] <eclipse> zenpod, so you're running warty 4.10?
[05:04] <zenpod> generally yes
[05:04] <zenpod> atm I'm running
[05:04] <zenpod> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
[05:06] <zenpod> I have warty on my workstation at work, and will be installing it on my home PC here as soon as my new motherboard gets here.    XP Home.
[05:07] <zenpod> sorry :)
[05:07] <LucidVisions> ah,,i was mistaken on my xp version numbers,,so is 2600 the home
[05:07] <eclipse> anyone in here tried the new windows?
[05:08] <LucidVisions> eclipse: longhorn is ok
[05:08] <eclipse> u tried it?
[05:08] <Bic> Hello.
[05:08] <LucidVisions> i was dinking around with the last version,,i think it was 4074
[05:08] <zenpod> it's like XP, but slower. heh.
[05:08] <LucidVisions> its slow,..
[05:09] <LucidVisions> yeo
[05:09] <Bic> Can i install ubuntu or my external hd?
[05:09] <zenpod> Bic, I don't see why not.  Can you boot from it?
[05:09] <eclipse> zenpod, cause it's designed to run on at least 128mb video card, 512mb ram, and 64-bit cpu
[05:09] <Bic> noob question
[05:09] <zenpod> if you can't, you'll need a boot disk
[05:09] <LucidVisions> eclipse: it diddnt have all the features implemented also
[05:10] <LucidVisions> and winfs is nomore
[05:10] <zenpod> eclipse, it's not build for x86-64, and I have a 2.8ghz P4 w/HT and 1GB Ram.    Sorry.
[05:14] <zenpod> i.e. I have no real clue :)
[05:14] <discharge> zenpod, i have winxp in my menu.lst already.  i've tried the example from the grub manual and the one that ubuntu install generated
[05:15] <zenpod> discharge, hm.
[05:15] <zenpod> discharge, is winxp your hda1 ?
[05:15] <discharge> yeah
[05:16] <discharge> and my filesystem is still there, i can mount it in linux
[05:16] <zenpod> hm, I really have no idea, except maybe grub overwrote your XP bootsector... but I don't know if that would even matter
[05:16] <zenpod> I don't dual boot.  Maybe someone else here does, or knows about it
[05:16] <zenpod> sorry :(
[05:16] <Lin> congratulations to ubuntu project
[05:16] <Lin> the distribuion exceeds my expectatives :-D
[05:17] <gen> lin, of course it does
[05:18] <Lin> I'm a debian power user and applicant to debian project.. but I'm very amazed with ubuntu
[05:18] <discharge> when i try to boot windows from grub it displays:  root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7. makeactive.  chainloader +1
[05:18] <discharge> and then just sits there.  any suggestions?
[05:20] <LucidVisions> Lin: I used deb/unstable for 2 years,but a few weeks ago i made the switch to ubuntu also
[05:20] <LucidVisions> hehe
[05:20] <Lin> what is the size of ubuntu repositories?
[05:21] <Lin> I think that ubuntu goes to the rigth way...
[05:21] <Lin> the cam support it's good too. my girlfriend will love it
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> i think its many gigabytes
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> and debian is like 20gb
[05:22] <discharge> if you change boot config files for grub, is there a command you run afterwards like you would with lilo?
[05:23] <zenpod> discharge, yeah, I think you re-run grub
[05:23] <zenpod> I *think*
[05:23] <discharge> grub opens grub shell thing
[05:23] <zenpod> maybe point it at your config.  man grub for more info.
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> discharge, make sure to point to correct location of kernel and initrd
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> that is all i have done
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> and it has worked every time
[05:27] <zenpod>   r5fc44ack I hate it when I drop my wireless keyboard
[05:27] <adoyretsamon> yea... and batteries drop out
[05:29] <zenpod>  heehe
[05:31] <adoyretsamon> i hate it when i drop mine too... but i breaks the LCD screen... hehe
[05:32] <bborkk> Does ACPI work for anyone?
[05:33] <bborkk> Someone suggest I boot with acpi_sleep=s3_bios.  Anyone know how to do this?
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> you can modify grub to do it
[05:34] <crimsun> or simply enter it at the grub boot prompt
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> yea
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> that is what i meant
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> to test it
[05:35] <bborkk> So, start typing it in before the doomsday counter gets to zero?
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> hit Esc
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> then e to edit the line
[05:35] <bborkk> Ah.
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> yea
[05:35] <bborkk> I'll try that.  Thanks.
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> np
[05:47] <krusty> anybody knows a msn client support webcams??? for ubuntu
[05:48] <romeo> think gaim-vv does that
[05:48] <romeo> krusty
[05:48] <housetier> gnomemeeting ?
[05:48] <krusty> gaim-vv??? where I can find it Romeo
[05:49] <romeo> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[05:51] <krusty> can i found it, by terminal???
[05:51] <krusty> or just on that website??
[05:52] <adoyretsamon> krusty, did you try "apt-get install gaim*"
[05:52] <romeo> krusty: I don't see it in synaptic so you'll probably have to get it from the website. I don't have it myself
[05:52] <adoyretsamon> is it listed
[05:52] <adoyretsamon> nvm
[05:52] <krusty> yes I try it
[05:53] <romeo> you might want to check apt-get.org to see if somebody has a repository that might have it in also
[05:53] <krusty> well i'll go to the site
[05:54] <zenpod> huh, gaim-vv looks cool
[05:55] <dad> is there anyway to have folder windows disapear when a new folder is opened?
[05:55] <zenpod> why is it not in ubuntu repositories! that is SUCH a desktop-needed feature
[05:55] <krusty> thanx Romeo
[05:55] <romeo> hope it works well for you Krusty
[05:55] <krusty> I hope so, if works i'll tell u later man
[05:56] <krusty> brb
[05:56] <zenpod> gaim-vv deb @ http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.mimram/debian.php
[05:56] <dad> i seem to have folder windows all over the desktop when i dig deep
[05:56] <deadcat> i just got my cds in the mail today. (=
[05:56] <deadcat> whens the live ppc coming out?
[05:56] <Linux|GIT> how do i know what version of ubuntu i'm using? and how do I get kde 3.3 i did apt-get install kde but i have 2.2 and im just testin
[05:57] <zenpod> krusty, http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.mimram/debian.php
[05:58] <krusty> Thanx Zenpod I already downloaded from the "official" site of gaim-vv
[05:58] <krusty> :)
[05:58] <dad> control double click hmmm
[05:59] <dad> shift double
[06:02] <zenpod> krusty, okies, just thought you might want .debs
[06:07] <LucidVisions> am i strange for switching mouse hands every month,,ie..last month left hand,this month right
[06:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[06:08] <LucidVisions> I heard that you use diffrent regions of the brain by doing this
[06:09] <stuNNed> LucidVisions, you are just ambientdexterous
[06:09] <LucidVisions> I thought so,,i can even game with both hands,,its pretty cool at lan's
[06:10] <LucidVisions> allthough it took a few months with the fps games
[06:12] <hypa7ia> hey folks... i trashed my kernel images on upgrading to hoary... how do i ls within grub?
[06:13] <GotD0t> hypa7ia you dont ;-)
[06:13] <hypa7ia> :-(
[06:13] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: what arch you running
[06:13] <hypa7ia> how do i see if i have any kernels installed?
[06:13] <hypa7ia> pentium m
[06:14] <GotD0t> ok so you're either running 686 or 386 kernel
[06:14] <hypa7ia> i have in grub 2 368 kern;s and a 686 i installed, plus their respective recovery modes
[06:15] <hypa7ia> the 2 386 ones give me a file not found
[06:15] <Servax> Hello, I was just wondering what gui this linux dis comes with...
[06:15] <hypa7ia> and the 686 just goes blank when i try it
[06:15] <hypa7ia> Servax, gnome 2.8
[06:15] <GotD0t> to load 686 kernel (whcih is prob default) the kernel is at vmlinux-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 and the initrd is at initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[06:15] <Servax> WHen was this OS made, like when was it started cause it looks really new...
[06:16] <GotD0t> Servax: it is relatively new
[06:16] <hypa7ia> YAY!!!
[06:16] <hypa7ia> uh
[06:16] <hypa7ia> doh
[06:16] <GotD0t> ?
[06:16] <hypa7ia> kernel panic
[06:16] <GotD0t> der
[06:16] <GotD0t> tell me what exactly your boot opts were
[06:17] <hypa7ia> "please append a correct "root=" boot option" that sounds important :-p
[06:17] <Servax> And they will actually ship me the free cds? Is the sponsor like rich?
[06:17] <GotD0t> Servax: they will, my friend was giving some out at school today
[06:17] <hypa7ia> i hope i get mine soon
[06:17] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: read me the kernel options
[06:18] <Servax> I ordered 20 CD's total haha
[06:18] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, where do i find those?
[06:18] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: the same way you specified the kernel image
[06:18] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: select the correct kernel and hit e i believe
[06:19] <phlaegel> anyboyd know if inotify is going to be in the hoary kernel?
[06:20] <hypa7ia> oh neat, e brings up a secret menu :-)
[06:20] <GotD0t> haha
[06:20] <GotD0t> tell me exactly what you see
[06:21] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: lemme guess... when you dist-upgraded they all threw locale errors?
[06:21] <hypa7ia> root (hd0,4) // kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=771 quiet s-> // saveddefault // boot
[06:21] <hypa7ia> the //'s are newlines
[06:22] <GotD0t> gotcha
[06:22] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, no, i used synsptics and got throught with mostly no erroprs
[06:22] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: mostly no errors?
[06:22] <hypa7ia> yeah, just xorg-driver-synaptics for my touchpad
[06:22] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: did you change the locale?
[06:23] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, no
[06:24] <GotD0t>         root (hd0,4)
[06:24] <GotD0t>         kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash
[06:24] <GotD0t>         initrd /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[06:24] <eclipse> ff
[06:24] <GotD0t> try that
[06:25] <hypa7ia> there's no initrd in /boot
[06:25] <GotD0t> what?
[06:25] <hypa7ia> perhaps that is the issue?
[06:26] <GotD0t> gave you that error?
[06:26] <hypa7ia> i go to add that line, and tab-tab to see what's in boot, and there's no such file there
[06:26] <GotD0t> but you can see the files in there?
[06:27] <hypa7ia> yup
[06:27] <GotD0t> whats in it
[06:28] <hypa7ia> grub/ System.map-bla-bla x2 2 kernel configs and 2 vmlinuz's
[06:28] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: thats... interesting
[06:29] <hypa7ia> yeah, tell me about it
[06:29] <GotD0t> thats bad...
[06:29] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, there is one in /
[06:29] <GotD0t> oh
[06:29] <hypa7ia> like, not in /boot
[06:29] <GotD0t> point to that one
[06:30] <GotD0t> thats interesting... why would it get moved
[06:30] <GotD0t> just point to that one
[06:30] <hypa7ia> arright, bad file or directory type
[06:31] <GotD0t> what did you tell it exactly
[06:32] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, initrd /initrd
[06:32] <eclipse> ...
[06:32] <hypa7ia> because that's the file na,e
[06:32] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: thats a directory... see whats in the directory
[06:32] <hypa7ia> nada
[06:33] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, if i booted into something like knoppix couldi just copy down an initrd temporarily?
[06:34] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: might work...
[06:34] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: what i did to fix it when i had this problem was pop in my SuSe 9.2 pro CD and do a manual "repair" on the OS which basically lets you bypass the bootloader
[06:34] <hypa7ia> sheesh.  how could this have happened?
[06:35] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: so i was in my system and i moved a few files around and did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:35] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: and it fixed it
[06:36] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: so if knoppix will boot your system for you then you could do that
[06:36] <GotD0t> did you follow the how-to on upgrading to hoary?
[06:37] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, i just changed the hwarty sources to hoary and went for it
[06:37] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: man... i gotta sleep, early class tomorrow... try seeing what you can do from knoppix
[06:37] <hypa7ia> thanks for helping
[06:37] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: theres your problem... hoary uses UTF-8
[06:38] <hypa7ia> :-))
[06:38] <hypa7ia> hmm
[06:38] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: you needed to change your character encoding to UTF-8
[06:38] <hypa7ia> that would cause my kernel images to go poof?
[06:38] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: no... but a failed upgrade could ;-)
[06:38] <hypa7ia> one last q :-)
[06:38] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: shoot
[06:39] <hypa7ia> can i run apt within knoppix?
[06:39] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: i dont know if it allows you to boot an OS from the hard-disk
[06:39] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: ive never used it before
[06:39] <hypa7ia> okay, i'll try manually installing the kernel
[06:39] <hypa7ia> thanks a ton GotD0t :-))
[06:39] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: look around for a repair option when going into knoppix
[06:39] <GotD0t> oh not a problem
[06:39] <GotD0t> night
[06:39] <hypa7ia> nitenite!
[06:40] <tommie_> fixed that X problem by upgrading everything to hoary
[06:41] <cef_work> anyone had any problems with LVM on ubuntu, specifically on amd64?
[06:41] <wi1> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[06:41] <wi1> that's the correct source for ubuntu, correct?
[06:41] <Tomcat_> No wi1...
[06:41] <wi1> what is then?
[06:42] <cef_work> it's the core, there are patches on top of that
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Use Synaptic or apt-get to install the kernel-source package.
[06:42] <Tomcat_> I need to install it myself actually, so wait a few minutes...
[06:42] <wi1> Tomcat_:  i can't dude.
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Oh..
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Well the source is correct, but it won't help you much, as the Ubuntu kernel is patched and stuff. :o
[06:42] <wi1> goddam it
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Also, for my Cisco VPN Client I needed sources *after* compile.
[06:42] <cef_work> wil: can't wait or can't use apt-get/synaptic?
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: no, im on windows.
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: i need the source to get dial up working on linux
[06:43] <cef_work> wil: ahh ok.. hold a sec
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: okay
[06:43] <cef_work> wil: trying to set up a windows modem?
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: bingo
[06:44] <wi1> cef_work: it's easy with the 2.4.22 kernel, but 2.6.n pathces require the kernel source
[06:44] <cef_work> wil: ahh ok.. have you got ubuntu installed at all?
[06:44] <wi1> cef_work: yeah
[06:44] <cef_work> wil: tried with the kernel headers or do you need full source?
[06:45] <wi1> cef_work: i have no clue.
[06:45] <wi1> cef_work: want the packages i downloaded?
[06:45] <cef_work> wil: nah it's ok... hold a sec
[06:46] <cef_work> wil: so x86 correct?
[06:46] <wi1> cef_work:  yeah
[06:47] <Tomcat_> What package do I need to install for custom kernel modules?
[06:47] <hypa7ia> are there hoary install iso's anywhere yet?
[06:47] <hypa7ia> Tomcat_, linux-headers i think
[06:47] <Tomcat_> The program's howto says I need the kernel source, but there's not kernel source package with Ubuntu... :o
[06:47] <subterrific> hypa7ia: i was just about to ask the same thing
[06:47] <tommie_> hypa7ia: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/
[06:47] <tommie_> i tried a hoary disc this morning, it wouldn't detect my cd-rom during setup so i couldn't install anything
[06:48] <hypa7ia> woo hoo
[06:48] <hypa7ia> okay
[06:49] <cef_work> wil: deb is here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>-16.1_all.deb , diff from upstreak kernel source is here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>-16.1.diff.gz
[06:52] <hypa7ia> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/20041129/ <-- today's
[06:52] <Tomcat_> Ah...
[06:52] <cef_work> erm, upstreak = upstream
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: which should i get?
[06:52] <Tomcat_> linux-source... just read it in the Wiki.
[06:52] <tommie_> ya that's the one i tried i think
[06:52] <hypa7ia> other bonehead q: is it possible to not format my /home during install?
[06:52] <cef_work> wil: if you have kernel source already, just download the diff (smaller).. if you don't, download the .deb
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: okay.
[06:52] <hypa7ia> i have 4 partitions, and just want the /root to get formatted
[06:52] <cef_work> wil: then just 'dpkg -i linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>-16.1_all.deb' and it'll create a source tree that you can build images and the like from
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: huh?
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: i need to get it into /usr/src so i can do minimal work, possible :-P
[06:52] <cef_work> wil: once you download the linux-source deb, get into linux, copy the .deb somewhere and just run 'dpkg -i linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>-16.1_all.deb' and it'll create the source tree. afaik, it puts it in /usr/src
[06:52] <MFen> is there a release schedule available somewhere?
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: thanks.
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: much appreciated.
[06:52] <cef_work> MFen: somewhere on the website/wiki yes.. but basically every 6ish months is the goal\
[06:53] <MFen> cef_work: is hoary coming soon based on that?
[06:53] <cef_work> MFen: next year, yeah.. march i think
[06:53] <MFen> cef_work: okie dokie, thanks
[06:56] <electroglas> What is the correct format for the name of an Ubuntu shared ipp printer?
[06:56] <electroglas> I have tried http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631 etc with no luck
[06:57] <subterrific> http? the printer uses http?
[06:58] <electroglas> I can see the Ubuntu printer web admin page with the above address, but I can't figure out how to setup this network printer using ipp...
[06:58] <subterrific> take off the http
[06:58] <electroglas> ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>:631????????
[06:59] <subterrific> i don't think any printers use http for printing ;)
[06:59] <subterrific> try just the ip address?
[06:59] <electroglas> From the wiki:    In Windows 2000, I selected Start->Settings->Printers, and double-clicked on Add Printer to start the Add Printer Wizard. I chose Network Printer, and I chose Connect to a printer on the Internet or on your intranet. For the URL, I entered
[06:59] <electroglas>     *
[06:59] <electroglas>       http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/printers/ML-1750
[07:04] <wi1> hey, who built ubuntu? cause it's slick. i like it. i also like how it doesn't include KDE< cause KDE is slow as hell, and just jumbled. but gnome is slick.
[07:04] <Lin> Hi all.. where can I found language-support* packages?
[07:04] <electroglas> With only the ip, I get destination not found
[07:04] <melazyboy> wi1: Thats very profound.
[07:04] <wi1> melazyboy: haha.
[07:04] <wi1> i can explain it, but i as soon as i received it in the mail, i installed it.the live CD is awesome too
[07:04] <melazyboy> does anyone have a radeon card with 3d acceleration in hoary xorg  yet?
[07:04] <cef_work> ipp uses http commands on port 631
[07:04] <melazyboy> wi1: Amazing!!!
[07:04] <wi1> melazyboy: i got a feeling your being sarcastic (and you are :-p) but i dont care, cause i got a download going
[07:04] <cef_work> and ipp is supported by an expanding number of network printers, and cups uses ipp by default
[07:04] <melazyboy> wi1: Holy Jesus, thats so unreal!!!
[07:04] <Xenguy> yeah, drop the sarcasm, it achieves nothing
[07:04] <melazyboy> lol
[07:04] <melazyboy> I just didn't know you could download something with linux
[07:04] <Lin> there is jigdo repositories to build ubuntu disks?
[07:04] <electroglas> I can print on the Ubuntu PC with the printer installed on LPT1, but not from another Ubuntu PC using a remote network printer
[07:04] <jdub> Lin: there are jigdo files on releases.ubuntu.com
[07:04] <Xenguy> well I could always /ignore I suppose if you insist =)
[07:04] <wi1> melazyboy: you cant, im using windows (it's a joke)
[07:04] <melazyboy> on a more serious note, does anyone have Fglrx working or the DRI to the point where they can get over 1k fps in glxgears using the new edition of xorg
[07:04] <Lin> jdub, thank you!
[07:04] <jdub> Lin: the language-support-* packages don't exist uet
[07:04] <electroglas> Can I share the printer using Samba?
[07:04] <cef_work> electroglas: the wiki does mention the name of the printer. you've tried using the name you defined?
[07:05] <jdub> Lin: (the openoffice.org package will be fixed soon)
[07:05] <Lin> jdub, thank you again! :-)
[07:05] <electroglas> It set itself to hplaser-4 and I have tried many combinations - any suggestions for another stab??
[07:05] <Lin> jdub, there is some way to install openoffice.org?
[07:05] <Lin> some workaround?
[07:05] <cef_work> electroglas: I'd go through it with you myself, but my ubuntu box is currently reinstalling stuff
[07:06] <LucidVisions> melazyboy: i am,but with a matrox,hehe
[07:06] <melazyboy> =[
[07:06] <jdub> Lin: you'll be able to upgrade it normally as soon as the depends bug is fixed
[07:06] <melazyboy> You would think with the radeon chipset so big, more people would be complaining about this, and it would have been hammered out
[07:07] <electroglas> How about the format for the path? Would it be ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/hplaserjet-4
[07:07] <suchit> I am trying to deliver mails in pstfix from a client machine to local users on the relay host machine
[07:07] <Lin> jdub, there isn't hoary jigdo files. :-/
[07:07] <suchit> Error: Connection refused
[07:08] <jdub> Lin: yeah, wouldn't recommend installing hoary from cd yet anyway
[07:08] <suchit> please help
[07:08] <LucidVisions> melazyboy: true,but ati is working hard to improve there drivers,soon they will be solid
[07:08] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: Im calling you on that one, bullshit.
[07:08] <Lin> jdub, ok. thank you again.. because I'm mirroring hoary and I'm trying to generate iso files.
[07:08] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: =/
[07:09] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: I mean oblvious to Xorg, fyi the rglrx drivers aren't supported for the 2.6 kernel..
[07:09] <melazyboy> flgrx*
[07:09] <LucidVisions> what do you mean,,its been well documented by the driver developers
[07:09] <wi1> jdub: you're a pimp. what part of ubuntu you work on?
[07:09] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: they will work, but are no supported.
[07:09] <jdub> wi1: release management, desktop team lead.
[07:09] <subterrific> jdub: hmm, why isn't it a good idea to install hoary from cd yet?
[07:09] <LucidVisions> ahh,,
[07:09] <Ubuntu> I am trying to deliver mails in pstfix from a client machine to local users on the relay host machine
[07:09] <Ubuntu> Error: Connection refused
[07:09] <wi1> jdub: were you in it from the beginning?
[07:10] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: They don't have an FAQ or mention of further development on fglrx, or an acknowledgement of the current problems with it
[07:10] <jdub> wi1: yeah
[07:10] <hypa7ia> lol Problematic
[07:10] <jdub> subterrific: it won't work very well :)
[07:10] <Problematic> haha
[07:10] <jdub> subterrific: better to upgrade from warty to hoary
[07:10] <wi1> jdub: nice. keep doing the good work man, ubuntu looks pretty promising.
[07:10] <Problematic> need some help to resolve
[07:10] <hypa7ia> --- Ubuntu is now known as Problematic
[07:10] <subterrific> jdub: bleh, i just want to try it on my amd64 :(
[07:10] <LucidVisions> um,,,ok,,your right,anyhow i love my matrox,my 9200 is back sitting in the box
[07:11] <Problematic> does anybody know anythin about this? I am stuck with email problems
[07:11] <LucidVisions> I was talking about the "real" ati drivers that are under heavy development
[07:11] <Problematic> :(
[07:12] <LucidVisions> Have you tried them yet? I had my 9200 working fast with them,
[07:12] <LucidVisions> hard to setup though,
[07:13] <RuffianSoldier> When will these damn Ubuntu CDs arive?
[07:14] <electroglas> Network printing was easier to setup from Ubuntu to WinXP................
[07:15] <electroglas> Ubuntu to Ubuntu is a PITA
[07:15] <|trey|> RuffianSoldier: mine came in today...
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> AWsome
[07:16] <Problematic> I am trying to deliver mails in pstfix from a client machine to local users on the relay host machine. Error at client machine says "Connection Refused" and mail is sent back to sender.
[07:16] <Problematic> please help
[07:16] <Problematic> would be appreciated
[07:18] <cef_work> hrm, that's annoying.. I can't seem to get ubuntu to connect to an IPP/Cups printer
[07:19] <ernesto> hello everyone, does anybody knows why Totem movie player doesn't play mpeg movies under ubuntu?
[07:19] <ernesto> I just finished installing ubuntu, but when I try to play an mpg file with totem it says it can't play the movie for unknown reasons
[07:19] <hypa7ia> so i'm doing a fresh install, was a dumbass and didn't change the locale in warty when i tried to go to hoary and broke many things.  so i'm reinstalling and wanted to know if how to tell the installer not to format my old /home drive
[07:19] <|trey|> ernesto: you need codecs
[07:20] <|QuaD|> ernesto: you might want to install the xine version
[07:20] <ernesto> trey, thanks, how or where do I get the codecs?
[07:20] <cef_work> jdub: who wrote the pinter interface thing for gnome? it's a bit lacking, painful to use, and buggy
[07:21] <|QuaD|> ernesto: easier... apt-get remove totem
[07:21] <|QuaD|> apt-get install totem-xine
[07:21] <electroglas> Crash, crash and crash
[07:21] <cef_work> jdub: erm, printer even
[07:21] <cef_work> electroglas: yeah.. crashes if you do anything more than once
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> |trey|, Why do I have 2 cup holders on my computer case?
[07:21] <|QuaD|> ernesto: you might have to apt-get remove totem-gstreamer
[07:22] <ernesto> QuaD, during the installation it never asked me for a root password, what'd the password?
[07:22] <Lin> good bye
[07:22] <|QuaD|> ernesto do "sudo apt-get remove ...."
[07:22] <cef_work> ernesto: if you get asked for a password, it'll be your password always.. there is no root
[07:22] <|QuaD|> type your pass as root password
[07:22] <ernesto> ok
[07:22] <electroglas> cef_work - I noticed the crashing after 50-100 retries on the network printer
[07:22] <rory__> morning
[07:23] <electroglas> :(
[07:23] <ernesto> I already tried my password as root password and didn't work doing the su
[07:23] <|QuaD|> do it as i said
[07:23] <subterrific> ernesto: use sudo
[07:23] <subterrific> not su
[07:23] <ernesto> let me try
[07:23] <subterrific> and if you want roots environment, then do: sudo su -
[07:23] <cef_work> electroglas: yeah. I've got a xerox/tektronix colour postscript printer that does ipp/lpd/etc
[07:24] <ernesto> guys, it's working :)
[07:24] <rory__> why "sudo su -" ?
[07:24] <|QuaD|> we figured it would
[07:24] <subterrific> rory__: to get roots full environment
[07:24] <ernesto> QuaD, I'm doing install totem-xine and says package doesn't exist
[07:25] <|QuaD|> do you have universal repo?
[07:25] <rory__> but why not just "su" ?
[07:25] <subterrific> su doesn't give you the full environment
[07:25] <subterrific> you need that -
[07:25] <ernesto> QuaD, I have my sources.lists configured just the way ubuntu installed it, I haven't edited it
[07:25] <rory__> ok
[07:25] <|QuaD|> add the universal repo
[07:25] <|QuaD|> i believe you just uncomment out a line
[07:25] <rory__> and the diff between "sudo su -" and "su -" ?
[07:25] <ernesto> QuaD: don't want to be a pest...but...how do I add the universal repo?
[07:26] <subterrific> rory__: it isn't as important with ubuntu, but with other distros where normal users don't have /sbin in their PATH, it is helpful
[07:26] <|QuaD|> sudo /etc/apt/sources.[some extension]
[07:26] <rory__> oh right... ok cool
[07:26] <|QuaD|> i forget the extension
[07:26] <rory__> .list
[07:26] <|QuaD|> that makes sense :)
[07:26] <ernesto> ok QuaD and after doing that?
[07:26] <subterrific> rory__: for example, i use it a lot on gentoo
[07:26] <rory__> [08:27:26]  <rory__> .list
[07:26] <rory__> [08:27:26]  -rabidbt- rory__: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Google, KeepAlive, Misc, Owner, Seen, and User
[07:26] <rory__> ?
[07:27] <|QuaD|> uncomment out the line with universal
[07:27] <ernesto> Quad, you mean I should open the sources.list?
[07:27] <fabbione> .list
[07:27] <|QuaD|> ?
[07:27] <|QuaD|> i told you what to do
[07:28] <ernesto> sorry, I just read it
[07:28] <ernesto> now I'm doing an apt-get update :D
[07:28] <|QuaD|> ok
[07:29] <rory__> ta
[07:30] <ernesto> what if I want to play AVIs?
[07:30] <rory__> hehe LucidVisions
[07:30] <subterrific> LucidVisions: you're wrong
[07:30] <subterrific> :)
[07:30] <LucidVisions> why am i wrong?
[07:30] <rory__> im one of those "bad" admins that just logs in as root
[07:30] <subterrific> LucidVisions: how is remembering two passwords easier than one?
[07:30] <ernesto> rory, are you the guy that has a blog at neopoleon?
[07:30] <rory__> subterrific, make them the same :P
[07:31] <rory__> no ernesto
[07:31] <subterrific> rory__: thats pointless, you might as well use sudo
[07:31] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:31] <rory__> its 5 extra characters to type
[07:31] <ernesto> QuaD, do you know how to play AVIs on totem-xine?
[07:31] <|QuaD|> they play natively
[07:31] <ernesto> MPGs are playing fine now
[07:32] <ernesto> but AVIs, I just hear sound
[07:32] <ernesto> no video
[07:32] <ernesto> hum...maybe is DivX
[07:32] <|QuaD|> could be your sound
[07:32] <|QuaD|> i mean file
[07:32] <ernesto> you are right
[07:32] <ernesto> it played now
[07:32] <ernesto> thank you :)
[07:32] <ernesto> thanks a lot everyone
[07:33] <|QuaD|> i liek it more and more everyday
[07:33] <ernesto> I like the fact that it uses gnome 2.8
[07:33] <|QuaD|> thats one of my 2 dislikes
[07:34] <rory__> i dont like that nautilus lan browsing sucks
[07:34] <rory__> but konqueror is ok with smb://
[07:34] <|QuaD|> i like kde
[07:34] <melazyboy> is there anyway to find out if your using kernel functionality, im wondering if i can say no to CONFIG_AGP_INTEL -- is there anyway to find out if im using that currently or not
[07:37] <melazyboy> Im using an intel motherboard, and an ATI Radeon card, there is a CONFIG_AGP_ATI as well, im not sure if the CONFIG_AGP_* is reffering to the bus, or the card, or maybe the ATI refers to the card while the INTEL refers to the bus, while that woulden't be all that logical
[07:37] <ernesto> how do I set a password for root?
[07:37] <melazyboy> BRB AFK one sec
[07:37] <melazyboy> ernesto: passwd root
[07:37] <|QuaD|> ernesto: check the wicki
[07:37] <|QuaD|> *wiki
[07:37] <LucidVisions> sudo passwd root
[07:37] <LucidVisions> then tyoe in the password you want for your root
[07:38] <ernesto> thanks a lot guys
[07:38] <ernesto> will keep playing with this baby
[07:38] <ernesto> thanks!
[07:38] <LucidVisions> QuaD: ive almost got bitc@ slapped for not saying sudo passwd root
[07:38] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:38] <|QuaD|> lol
[07:39] <jmhodges> anyone know why flash-player nonfree depends on ruby of all things?
[07:40] <melazyboy> putting sudo before everything is redundant
[07:40] <melazyboy> what if they already hit sudo -s
[07:41] <LucidVisions> true,,
[07:41] <melazyboy> not to mention knowing what sudo does is very important, when im teaching linux to others i have them ask themselves the question "If i did this wrong, could i permently fuck things up?" and if they answer yes, it requires root.
[07:41] <bborkk> Does Ubuntu have a stand on which GUI toolkit to use with Python?  I'm thinking of pyGTK, wxPython, Tkinter, Tix, etc.
[07:43] <jdub> bborkk: pygtk is the most likely
[07:44] <bborkk> jdub: What do you mean by most likely?
[07:44] <jdub> bborkk: it's the one we would most likely prefer
[07:44] <melazyboy> The answer to my question, incase anyone cares is CONFIG_AGP_ATI refers to ati's implimintation of AGP in laptops
[07:44] <jdub> bborkk: it's basically between pygtk and wxpython ;)
[07:45] <Dethread> anyone know which package contains the C standard library man pages?
[07:45] <jdub> Dethread: manpages-dev?
[07:45] <bborkk> jdub: Is there someplace that documents the discussion regarding the two?
[07:45] <Poof> Hello :) I was wondering if ubuntu uses Debian APT repositories? TIA :)
[07:45] <jdub> bborkk: no, there was no discussion
[07:45] <jdub> Poof: no, we have our own.
[07:46] <Poof> in a pinch can I use DEB packages?
[07:46] <bborkk> jdub: Why would pyGTK be preferred?
[07:46] <hypa7ia> oy, the curses installer is all wonky in the daily hoary iso
[07:46] <Poof> is there a package list somewhare?
[07:46] <Dethread> jdub: I have those installed, but when I do "man 2 printf" it says no such man page exists :(
[07:46] <jdub> bborkk: because it's one of the official gnome bindings, gnome related things tend to be written with it, etc.
[07:46] <melazyboy> Poof: Yes
[07:46] <Poof> Thankyou :)
[07:47] <jdub> Poof: we strongly discourage using packages from debian
[07:47] <Dethread> jdub, never mind, it's in 3 :)
[07:47] <melazyboy> Poof: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, don't mention it here people will eat you
[07:47] <Poof> :)
[07:47] <jdub> Poof: you're better off sticking to the ubuntu repos - the combination of main, universe and multiverse cover almost all of the debian packages, built for ubuntu.
[07:47] <melazyboy> Poof: =D it really isn't a good idea, to do that and do something radical like dist-upgrade, and be carefull not to break ubuntu-desktop, if you use apt's upgrade and dist-upgrade fetures
[07:48] <Poof> Ok i do a dist upgrade before I tweak the sourcelist :)
[07:48] <Poof> then change back after I get what I need :)
[07:48] <Poof> I need Blender for X86-64bit
[07:49] <melazyboy> Poof: Thats what i would suggest, and i really would have to side with jdub, if your using hoary the Ubuntu universe has 90% of the usefull packages of Debian's repos
[07:49] <Poof> and some video editing software
[07:49] <Poof> Cool :)
[07:49] <jdub> Poof: start without debian repositories. if there's something you need that isn't available, ask about it.
[07:49] <Poof> Ok cool :)
[07:49] <melazyboy> Poof: Did you check hoary for those packages?
[07:50] <Poof> what is hoary?
[07:50] <melazyboy> Poof: Hoary is the equiv of deb's sid
[07:50] <Poof> I am installing warty
[07:50] <melazyboy> Poof: Its the devel branch, where as warty is the woody of deb
[07:50] <Poof> on other system
[07:50] <melazyboy> Poof: Just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, and s/warty/hoary
[07:50] <Poof> warty for 86_64 bit
[07:50] <|QuaD|> but remember, hoarty is actually unstable
[07:51] <Poof> Cool! I always run SID anyways :)
[07:51] <|QuaD|> Poof: i used to run sid, make sure you understand HOW unstable hoary is
[07:51] <|QuaD|> sid never crashed... hoary will
[07:51] <melazyboy> Poof: I figured most of us with the live dangerously attitude do
[07:51] <|QuaD|> hoary is TRUELY bleeding edge
[07:51] <Poof> yea I have tried 3 distros today :)
[07:52] <jmhodges> well, i dont know if "will crash" is likely
[07:52] <Poof> fedora core 2,3 and #ubuntu
[07:52] <jmhodges> but perhaps i just have a nice easy system on it..
[07:52] <jmhodges> s/on/using/
[07:52] <melazyboy> |QuaD|: Hoary and sid have the same versions in all of their major packages, xorg, kernel, gnome/kde etc, i don't see much grounds to calling Hoary less stable then sid
[07:52] <Poof> I am happy to have a 64 bit Debian based system :)
[07:53] <|QuaD|> melazyboy: are you sure? what version of gnome/gtk does each use?
[07:53] <Poof> Sweet! it is installing Xfree 4.3.0! I can use my ATI card with it :D
[07:53] <Poof> is there KDE for #ubuntu?
[07:53] <melazyboy> |QuaD|: Add hoary sid to your sources, and do apt-cache shopkg, it will list them all
[07:53] <melazyboy> showpkg*
[07:54] <melazyboy> all meaning all distros listed with that package name
[07:54] <|QuaD|> melazyboy: not now
[07:54] <|QuaD|> but from what i understand, hoary is more bleeding edge
[07:54] <melazyboy> Poof: Don't upgrade to hoary!! caveat, ati will not work with hoary if you use FGLRX it wil take a big stinky dump on you
[07:55] <rory__> lol
[07:55] <Poof> ok I leave it default :)
[07:55] <hypa7ia> so the hoary installer fails to find my laptop's cdrom drive.  methinks i should bugreport this, no?
[07:55] <melazyboy> Poof: Yea you would be in the same position i am.. 200fps on glxgears and no 3d accel, bad x performance
[07:56] <Poof> 0o
[07:56] <Poof> I need 3d excell
[07:56] <Poof> for wings and Blender
[07:56] <Poof> I am a 3d artist :)
[07:57] <Poof> http://www.s91842597.onlinehome.us/NEWGALLERY/NEWGALLERY.htm
[07:57] <Poof> my gallery
[07:58] <|QuaD|> ahhh... soo much javascript?
[07:58] <|QuaD|> i mean !
[07:58] <glar00k> uh, damn ... that cursor thing sucks :)
[07:58] <electroglas> I fixed the Ubuntu to Ubuntu network ipp printing issue by adding the servername (<IP_ADDRESS>) to client.conf and then running lpq
[07:58] <Poof> wow! this is a lot faster than Fedora core :)
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> Poof, hahahah!  The boot sequence is always being tweaked, of course.
[08:00] <spacey`ki> i just don't use it:) no need to curse them
[08:00] <Poof> Hooray! I found synaptic!
[08:01] <|QuaD|> crimsun: it was a joke :)
[08:01] <deFrysk> spacey, agree
[08:01] <Poof> no kde ? 0o
[08:01] <|QuaD|> Poof: you can put it on, i reccomend against it, i was a diehard kde user
[08:01] <spacey`ki> hollandse nuchterheid =P
[08:01] <jdub> Poof: kde is not supported in ubuntu, but it's available in universe.
[08:02] <Poof> ok thanks :)
[08:02] <glar00k> any chance that gpdf gets supported? :)
[08:02] <Poof> no blender :(
[08:03] <jdub> glar00k: potentially for hoary
[08:03] <glar00k> jdub, cool
[08:07] <LucidVisions> anyone here have any experience with user mode linux?
[08:07] <crimsun> LucidVisions: yes.
[08:08] <Poof> can I do the  FGLRX for my ATI card from the terminal?
[08:08] <jdub> totem http://home.waugh.id.au:8800/
[08:08] <jdub> ^ or mplayer
[08:09] <LucidVisions> crimsun: Is it pretty stable to run,ive been using vmware under ubintu to run gentoo,but would i get more performance/stablity with uml?
[08:09] <|QuaD|> LucidVisions: i want to run vmware... sux it costs an arm and a le
[08:09] <Agrajag> UML is stable enough that a lot of kernel hackers are using it for testing
[08:10] <rory__> how do you disable DMA in grub when installing Ubuntu ?
[08:10] <crimsun> LucidVisions: depending on if you use extra kernel modules for vmware in ubuntu, u-m-l will probably be slower, though it certainly is stable and works.
[08:12] <LucidVisions> crimsun: cool,thanks..I just want to quit using a theved vmware,,hehe.So I think ill use uml,Im also using pearpc to run osx,but its pretty slow,hehe
[08:12] <mdz> jdub: are those your pants, cast asunder in the background?
[08:13] <jdub> oh
[08:13] <jdub> that's a towel
[08:13] <|QuaD|> LucidVisions: you don't like vmware?
[08:13] <jdub> but i am not wearing any pants
[08:13] <crimsun> LucidVisions: I've heard similar reports of sluggishness in PearPC
[08:13] <bborkk> Poof: Do you have fglrx running on a laptop?
[08:14] <LucidVisions> QuaD: I like it alot,but im using a theved copy,and feel bad,im trying to be more zen
[08:14] <LucidVisions> hehe
[08:14] <crimsun> LucidVisions: why not try Xen instead?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> LucidVisions: oh, lol.... it sux there are no free alternatives that are as fast
[08:15] <LucidVisions> crimsun: Is zen another progge like pearpc?
[08:15] <rory__> any complaints about bochs?
[08:15] <LucidVisions> QuaD; true
[08:15] <rory__> i want to install a virtual ubuntu
[08:15] <crimsun> LucidVisions: comparable to VMWare, except it's free and possibly faster.
[08:15] <LucidVisions> nice,,ill look it up real quick
[08:15] <LucidVisions> thanks,,
[08:16] <|QuaD|> crimsun: faster?
[08:16] <crimsun> |QuaD|: try it and judge.
[08:16] <Poof>  FGLRX is not for 64 bit yet :(
[08:17] <|QuaD|> crimsun: is it as easy to make vm's as vmware?
[08:18] <jdub> totem http://home.waugh.id.au:8800/
[08:18] <jdub> ^ or mplayer
[08:18] <crimsun> |QuaD|: I don't believe it's as point-n'-click simple, no
[08:18] <|QuaD|> :( oh well can't have everything
[08:19] <LucidVisions> cool,it looks intresting http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html
[08:19] <|QuaD|> crimsun: "Xen requires that OSes are ported to run on it"
[08:19] <|QuaD|> thats not a good thing
[08:19] <crimsun> |QuaD|: good thing Linux is a primary platform for Xen's development, eh?
[08:19] <|QuaD|> LOL
[08:20] <|QuaD|> i want to experiment with hurd and freebsd (or even open, never cared for net though)
[08:20] <crimsun> FreeBSD will run under Xen soon
[08:20] <|QuaD|> heh
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> hey Klowner :0
[08:21] <LucidVisions> I cant believe ive never heard of Xen,thanks a million,ill add it to my assortment