[17:27] <thegodfather> hey tom
[17:27] <shinmen> Does anyone here uses debmirror for the sparc repository?
[17:27] <thegodfather> tmarble: new nick ;)
[17:27] <thegodfather> shinmen: i used to for a while
[17:27] <tmarble> new nick?
[17:27] <thegodfather> tmarble: <- fabbione :)
[17:27] <tmarble> hold a sec (otp)
[17:28] <tmarble> :)
[17:28] <thegodfather> eheh
[17:28] <shinmen> thegodfather: I'm using exactly what's on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror but I can't get it to download.
[17:28] <shinmen> thegodfather: It only downloads like 30 megs or so.
[17:28] <thegodfather> shinmen: sorry i don't have time to debug it now, but it works. I used it in combo with rsync
[17:29] <shinmen> thegodfather: Ok, thanks.
[17:29] <thegodfather> shinmen: i didn't read that doc.. just the man page
[17:30] <thegodfather> tmarble: i need to go offline to put my son to sleep..
[17:30] <thegodfather> tmarble: might pass by later if wife allows :)
[17:30] <tmarble> thegodfather: ok... ping me when u r back
[17:31] <thegodfather> tmarble: will do.. if i can't show up this evening, there is a very good chance that i won't be back for a while. Tomorrow we are inducing the birth of the second one
[17:31] <tmarble> wow
[17:31] <thegodfather> tmarble: because he is a tad 33% bigger than any other kid recoded in dk at this stage of pregnancy
[17:31] <thegodfather> and my wife is scared to death
[17:31] <tmarble> good luck
[17:31] <thegodfather> thanks
[17:31] <thegodfather> might pass by later
[17:31] <tmarble> this is your top priority
[17:31] <tmarble> i can wait
[17:31] <thegodfather> it's all good :)
[17:31] <thegodfather> late
[17:32] <thegodfather> r
[18:13]  * lamont wonders what the original due-date for godfather II was/is...


 Please don't hurt me but I am really starting to like emerge more and more each day. Apt is great but emerge is also pretty nice.
 emerge?
 The package manager for Gentoo
 apt is not perfect of course
 Apt is binary based, Emerge is source based. Of course a lot can go wrong with sourced based but for some things, it is great
 are you running gentoo somewhere to test that?
 I know linode and such support vps with it
 Something like that
 ohhhh right the chromeos is gentoo based
 got it
 @KMyers Hector @Ivoriesablaze @AbMind Underground Coffeehaus this saturday
 Also @Panzer_III
 right can't keep track of the daniels in my life lol
 https://ubuntu-fl.org/events/
 \o/
 Yeh, there are 4 that I know of
 4?
 dman
 Siva, Your Roomate, @Panzer_III and Daniel Citrin - But I have not seen him in a while
 yea I know
 @KMyers with Canoncial/Ubuntu using GNOME now maybe they would sponsor a hackathon
 in Florida
 My roommate?
 no mine
 No, @ahoneybun 's
 Ah
 Re read it. Nevermined
 woooww https://twitter.com/AndroidPolice/status/877574120334008322
 Version now looks to purchase Virgin Mobile.
[19:42] <ahoneybun_> mm can't get the bot to work on the new server


[04:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:20] <ducasse> hiya all
[10:06] <wez> Good evening!
[13:15] <MacSlow> Greetings everyone!
[19:40] <ice9> what's the difference between Ubuntu's Linux kernel and the main stream Linux?
[19:42] <Jeremy31> Different patches
[19:43] <Jeremy31> A kernel from linux you would likely have to compile yourself
[19:49] <ice9> well I'm asking because I'm facing freezes from time to time and I have to hard reset, I don't know if that's because of main stream kernel bug or Ubuntu
[19:49] <ice9> Ubuntu's * patches
[19:51] <crax23> you should ask on #ubuntu
[19:51] <daftykins> that's quite the leap
[19:52] <ice9> Honestly I barely get a real technical support on #ubuntu, most of the time I get no answer if it's a bit complicated issue
[19:52] <crax23> to help trackdown the issue, weither it driver related or whatnot, there are different kernels available in APT and it can be sleep mode issue, or a background daemon lock down or something...more people will be able to help, with dmesg output etc.


[00:41] <skellat> Unit193: Alrighty.  Got home and fixed what was written as I seemed to also forget to include some steps that I incorrectly assumed the reader would carry over from the previous example.
[00:41] <skellat> Already pushed it upwards to Launchpad.
[03:52] <micahg> ochosi: the new themes seem to be the only difference in your paste
[08:44] <ochosi> micahg: that's because mr_pouit uploaded a new package last night
[08:44] <ochosi> micahg: he decided not to upload the new themes because we're too close to UIF
[13:28] <c2tarun> I want to contribute to Xubuntu. I am familiar with application development. Can anyone please suggest me that I should start from fixing bugs or packaging?
[13:29] <knome> c2tarun, you'll want to talk to micahg and mr_pouit as well as bluesabre_ who's helping us out a lot right now
[13:29] <knome> c2tarun, but basically, a good starting point is to fix anything that scratch your itches
[13:31] <c2tarun> knome, hmm... till now I am not able to find any bugs. Also seems like the guys you suggested are away. I'll wait for them. Meanwhile I am trying to learn some packaging, I figured out that learning some packaging might help in application development a bit.
[13:31] <knome> c2tarun, that helps too :)
[13:31] <knome> and yes, people are busy... now that i pinged them, they'll most probably get back to you when they are back if you hang out in the channel
[13:33] <micahg> ochosi: ah, ok, anything else left?
[13:36] <c2tarun> setting up a chroot is better or installing full release in virtual box is better?
[13:37] <knome> i suppose that depends what you like yourself
[13:38] <c2tarun> knome, well, I don't have any problem in using command prompt, also I don't have very fast internet connection, I'll try with chroot first.
[13:38] <knome> you might not even need either of them, depending on what you are working
[13:40] <c2tarun> knome, I'll prefer not to mess up my current installation :( I am on Ubuntu 12.04. Its written in guide that its best to work on current development release, I guess that is raring ringtail
[13:40] <knome> c2tarun, yes, that's it
[13:55] <bluesabre_> hey c2tarun, if you're interested in fixing bugs, parole could always use some help
[13:56] <knome> bluesabre_, :P
[13:56] <c2tarun> bluesabre_, hi :) who is parole, I don't think he is in the channel.
[13:56] <bluesabre_> woops, parole media player
[13:57] <c2tarun> bluesabre_, ohhh :) I was about to ask what, but I thought someone might get offended.
[13:58] <c2tarun> bluesabre_, thanks :) I'll look into its bugs, does xubuntu also maintain bugs on launchpad?
[13:58] <bluesabre_> some bugs are there, but the xfce applications track their bugs on the xfce bugzilla
[13:58] <bluesabre_> here's parole's bugzilla:
[13:58] <bluesabre_> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&product=parole&list_id=11231
[13:59] <bluesabre_> and the code is at http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole
[13:59] <c2tarun> bluesabre_, great thanks :)
[14:02] <bluesabre_> if you're interested in other projects, there's catfish (on launchpad), lightdm-gtk-greeter (also on launchpad), and ochosi, mr_pouit, and micahg would know where to find other bugs and what other projects we're currently focused on
[14:41] <ochosi> micahg: yes, actually we wanted to upload a new version of the lightdm-gtk-greeter to Raring, that hasn't happened yet
[14:41] <ochosi> micahg: i guess bluesabre_ would have to do a new release of it though, i'll be away during the next ~4hrs or so
[16:12] <bluesabre_> ochosi, no can do
[16:12] <bluesabre_> no linux here
[16:16] <bluesabre_> I'll see about doing it tonight
[16:16] <bluesabre_> mr_pouit, are there any special things you do for new releases on that?
[17:50] <abderraouf> hi all
[17:54] <GridCube> hi
[18:00] <abderraouf> i try xubuntu 13.04 beta1 and a find the window border "shaking and confused" when moving the window.
[18:00] <abderraouf> i try it on live dvd
[18:03] <holstein> !raring | abderraouf
[18:04] <abderraouf> ?????????
[18:06] <holstein> abderraouf: the #ubuntu+1 channel is where to go for 13.04
[18:06] <abderraouf> ok
[18:06] <holstein> abderraouf: though, this is the dev channel, and i dont think its OT.. just maybe not "noticed" as quickly
[18:07] <abderraouf> maybe it is a bug
[18:07] <holstein> abderraouf: what graphics driver?
[18:07] <abderraouf> i9xx
[18:07] <holstein> abderraouf: you could test with "nomodeset" and see, i suppose
[18:08] <abderraouf> how install nomodeset?
[18:08] <abderraouf> sudo apt-get install nomodeset
[18:09] <abderraouf> ?
[18:09] <knome> nomodeset, the kernel option
[18:09] <abderraouf> how do it please
[18:09] <Unit193> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel#X_freeze.2Fcrash_with_intel_driver is what I look at for graphics issues I have, but I'm sure I have a different card even though we may both use i915.
[18:09] <holstein> !nomodeset
[18:10] <holstein> i would try that since that should work from the live CD ^^
[18:12] <abderraouf> but it is not freeze and crash :) window border "shaking and confused" when moving the window.
[18:13] <knome> abderraouf, is that on a virtual machine of real hardware?
[18:13] <knome> *or
[18:13] <holstein> abderraouf: with nomodeset as well?
[18:13] <abderraouf> real hardware
[18:13] <knome> ok
[18:14] <abderraouf> i have to try nomodeset?
[18:14] <abderraouf> what it is do?
[18:14] <holstein> abderraouf: you dont have to do anything.. but that is a way to remove some variables, and get an idea of what could be the issue, while using a live CD
[18:15] <abderraouf> and what's you need?
[18:17] <holstein> abderraouf: i dont need anything.. if it were me, and i were exeperiencing the issue you are having, i would try with the nomodeset option
[18:17] <abderraouf> ok
[18:18] <abderraouf> am will try with nomodeset
[18:23] <abderraouf> hi
[18:24] <abderraouf> back
[18:24] <abderraouf> it is the same problem
[18:27] <abderraouf> so?
[21:07] <skellat> And it looks like we've hit UI Freeze
[21:07] <skellat> How long until Documentation Freeze?
[21:21] <knome> 2 weeks until doc string freeze
[21:23] <skellat> Okay


[18:15] <pleia2> akgraner: were you able to listen to that podcast?
[18:16] <pleia2> if not, does anyone have time to? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2013-January/001713.html
[18:16] <pleia2> doesn't need to be pro-quality or anything, just decent and something we wouldn't be embarrassed to put in UWN
[20:47] <Silverlion> hi every1


[01:46] <excalibr> Is there way to find all that bug reports that you marked as affecting you
[02:11] <tsimpson> excalibr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~/+affectingbugs
[02:36] <excalibr> thank you!
[15:00] <tachyons> hi
[15:00] <tachyons> need help
[15:10] <dobey> lies
[16:00] <tachyons> hi
[16:00] <tachyons> is it possible to upload an individual file using dput?
[16:00] <tachyons> dpm_
[16:01] <cjwatson> no, dput's entire job is to upload a .changes file and everything referenced by it
[16:01] <cjwatson> that's the unit of upload
[16:01] <tachyons> for eg, is to possible to avoid reuploading sourceorig in case of build failure
[16:02] <tachyons> due to control file
[16:02] <cjwatson> you do that by not changing the upstream version and not building with -sa
[16:02] <tachyons> cjwatson,
[16:02] <cjwatson> if you just bump the part of the version after "-", then the .changes file won't include the orig and so it won't be reuploaded
[16:04] <tachyons> <<just bump the part of the version after "-">> where? I am a noobie in packaging
[16:04] <cjwatson> debian/changelog
[16:04] <cjwatson> "dch -i" will generally do the right thing for you
[16:05] <cjwatson> though actually maybe not quite for PPAs.  See https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[16:06] <tachyons> cjwatson,  should I use debuild after dch?
[16:06] <cjwatson> dch's job is to modify debian/changelog, which you can also do by hand - the block at the top of debian/changelog describes the changes you made in your most recent upload
[16:07] <cjwatson> once you have something you want to upload, you can use "debuild -S" to build a source package
[16:07] <cjwatson> please see help.launchpad.net rather than asking lots of questions here about this though - there are walkthroughs and such there
[16:11] <tachyons> cjwatson, thanks
[16:11] <tachyons> launchpad help confused me, but now you cleared my doubts
[16:11] <tachyons> good night
[16:11] <tachyons> bye
[22:05] <madkid20> hello


[20:56] <pavlushka> Hello Apu vy
[20:56] <Apu> Hi Pavel
[20:56] <pavlushka> type p+tab
[20:56] <Apu> pavlushka,
[20:56] <pavlushka> yea
[20:56] <Apu> cool
[20:57] <pavlushka> this is our local hanging out
[20:57] <pavlushka> channel
[20:57] <Apu> pavlushka, thanx very much for ur help
[20:57] <pavlushka> Welcome to Ubuntu
[20:57] <pavlushka> Apu let me introduce you to some asking for help basics :)
[20:58] <Apu> plz do
[20:58] <pavlushka> Apu: (vy) for that read the channel topic :)
[20:58] <pavlushka> :p
[20:59] <Apu> ok
[20:59] <pavlushka> for sharing screenshots, we use imgur, you can login to it using your google account
[21:00] <pavlushka> Apu: and for commandline output logs we use, paste.ubuntu.com, it will give you a sharable link of your paste to share with us
[21:00] <Apu> As I'v told u earlier, I'm here for using 'R Server version' since it is not compatible with windows
[21:01] <Apu> The desktop R is okay with both windows & Linux
[21:01] <pavlushka> Apu: and we ask questions/help in one whole paragraph if needed or in one line if that is poissible
[21:01] <Apu> alright
[21:01] <Apu> is there any option for notification for hexchat?
[21:02] <pavlushka> Apu: we directly ask, we dont ask to ask, like, "can I ask a question" or "can I get some help?"
[21:02] <pavlushka> Apu yes
[21:02] <Apu> how?
[21:02] <pavlushka> Apu: goto settings tab, look for preference, there
[21:08] <pavlushka> !help | Apu
[21:08] <lubotu2`> Apu: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[21:08] <pavlushka> Apu: meet out ubuntu bot lubotu2`
[21:09] <Apu> hi lubotu2
[21:09] <pavlushka> Apu: it does not talk
[21:09] <Apu> hahahaha
[21:10] <pavlushka> Apu: its a helper bot and we also have a channel helper bot u-la-la
[21:10] <Apu> bapre
[21:11] <Apu> r u the only organic human being here?
[21:11]  * pavlushka checking whether a website is up or not
[21:11] <pavlushka> .isup paste.ubuntu.com
[21:11] <u-la-la> http://paste.ubuntu.com looks fine to me.
[21:12] <pavlushka> Apu: nope, LjL is, sometimes Researcher- also
[21:13] <pavlushka> Apu: ChanServ is the channel operator bot
[21:13] <Apu> ok
[21:13] <pavlushka> Apu: u-la-la channel helper bot
[21:13] <Apu> nice
[21:13] <pavlushka> lubotu2`: is the Ubuntu help bot
[21:13] <lubotu2`> pavlushka: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:14] <pavlushka> Apu: Brainstorm is the earhtquake alert bot by LjL
[21:14] <pavlushka> Apu: and u-la-la is by me
[21:15] <pavlushka> .voice #ubuntu-bd Apu
[21:15] <pavlushka> .devoice #ubuntu-bd Apu
[21:16] <pavlushka> .why
[21:16] <u-la-la> We are unable to find any reasons *why* this should work.
[21:17] <pavlushka> .why
[21:17] <u-la-la> We are unable to find any reasons *why* this should work.
[21:17] <pavlushka> .yt Sadat Qiyum
[21:17] <u-la-la> YouTube returned 1052 results: Muhasabatul Qolbi - Ya Sayyida Sadat 2017 by KANG ROZAQ (https://youtu.be/ihe-9CefMN8), ALAMAAK ya sayyidassadat by kang falah (https://youtu.be/IDCmp5__Z8s), Sholawat Ya Sayyida Sadat Clip Asian Muslim Weddin ... by Sambel Godok Channel (https://youtu.be/bUfFlWZheic), YA SAYYIDASSADAT ( SYAUQUL HABIB ) | RESEPSI PERNI ... by Ogi Sarof 'GENCAR' (https://youtu.be/e9yHyCAhQB4)
[21:18] <pavlushka> .wx-wg Dhaka, Bangladesh
[21:18] <u-la-la> Cover: Haze, Temp: 72°F (22°C), Dew Point: 61°F (16°C), Humdity: 59%, Feels Like: 72°F (22°C), Pressure: [] 29.83in (1010mb), Wind: From the  at 0 mph (0 kmh), Location: Dhaka, , Last Updated: March 10, 12:00 AM +06, (Powered by wunderground.com)
[21:19] <pavlushka> Apu: So that is it. we have soem mailing systems
[21:19] <pavlushka> .tell Apu to be in here
[21:19] <u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when Apu is around.
[21:21] <pavlushka> Apu: u-la-la takes command preseded by an immidiate dot
[21:21] <pavlushka> .yt Sadat Quayum
[21:21] <u-la-la> YouTube returned 0 results:
[21:22] <pavlushka> Apu: anyways, have fun, if it stops, you can ask here why? :p


[12:06] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: what part of the documentation were you missing?
[12:07] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: relation-* commands, env vars that are available
[12:07] <ahasenack> searching for relation-set turned up a blog post, to give you an idea
[12:07] <ahasenack> in the search box from the juju documentation page
[12:07] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: okay. well need to make a charm author reference doc soon
[12:08] <ahasenack> yep
[12:08] <ahasenack> and it still talks about debug-hooks as if they exist
[12:08] <ahasenack> I filed a bug about that yesterday, but for some reason it got filed in juju-core, not juju-core/docs, so I marked it as invalid and didn't file a new one
[12:11] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: thanks. you'll need to target the docs series on juju-core for doc bugs
[12:12] <marcoceppi> probably need to clarify that. tagging docs should work too
[12:18] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: I really miss manpages for the tools
[12:19] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: find myself trying to read go to get the command line options of the tools
[12:21] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: so this is the url to file a bug report about the docs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/docs/ the report a bug link?
[12:32] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: that should be it
[12:33] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: so that link is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/docs/+filebug
[12:33] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: but when I click on it, the page that loads is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+filebug
[12:34] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: there's a bug for manpages too against Juju-core
[12:34] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: thanks. I'll update the docs
[12:34] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: yeah, that one I think I filed
[12:35] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: so I don't see how doc bugs are different from juju-core bugs, given that url redirect
[12:36] <marcoceppi> I think it auto fills the targeted series when you report. need to verify though
[12:37] <marcoceppi> as soon as I figure out the sandbox URL for lp
[12:48] <ahasenack> ok, lemme try to file the bug about debug-hooks, let's see what happens
[12:48] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1198169 that's what it became
[12:48] <ahasenack> I don't know where to set it to "docs"
[12:48] <_mup_> Bug #1198169: debug-hooks should be removed from juju-core documentation <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198169>
[14:08] <Guest28536> I have an upgrade-charm question
[14:08] <Guest28536> hm
[14:08] <Guest28536> freenode in trouble
[14:27] <marcoceppi> What's  your upgrade question?
[14:28] <stub> wedgwood_: Do you have an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-helpers/+bug/1195634? The alternative is separate functions for magic & non-magic & different-magic.
[14:28] <_mup_> Bug #1195634: Better magic for write_file <Charm Helpers:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195634>
[14:28]  * wedgwood_ looks
[14:29] <wedgwood_> stub: that's old stuff from spads' original library. I would personally prefer to separate that out to core.template (or contrib.template) and give people an option of template formats.
[14:31] <wedgwood_> stub: and I don't really think the magic is better than non-magic
[14:31] <stub> wedgwood_: That sort of sounds like a +1 for proceeding the way I suggest
[14:33] <wedgwood> stub: yes, I suppose it is :)
[14:33] <stub> Just didn't want to waste any time if another approach was preferred ;)
[15:45] <mariusko_> Hmm: error: unknown constraint "instance-type"
[15:45] <mariusko_> It is supposed to be supported according to the documentation, but it fails after replacing juju with juju-core
[15:47] <mgz> mariusko_: you can't use instance-type with juju-core at present
[15:47] <mgz> just give the cpu/mem characteristics of the sort of machine you want
[15:48] <mariusko_> Ah ok
[15:48] <mariusko_> Same problem with amazon region. How would that be workaround?
[15:49] <mariusko_> invalid value "ec2-zone=a" for flag --constraints: unknown constraint "ec2-zone"
[15:49] <mgz> region isn't a constraint, you just put "region" in your config
[15:50] <mgz> ah not sure for availabilty zone
[15:50] <mgz> can you file a bug on that one?
[15:51] <mariusko_> Hmm, it is critical to support HA
[15:52] <mariusko_> Hmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1183831
[15:52] <_mup_> Bug #1183831: ec2 constraints missing <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183831>
[15:53] <mgz> it's also a little wonky as a constraint, because you'd really want different units of the same service across several availabilty zones, no?
[15:54] <mariusko_> Japp, that is true
[15:54] <mgz> you can leave a comment on that bug if you've anything to add
[15:54] <mgz> I think at the least we should recognize the constraint and print an error saying it's gone on purpose rather than just professing ignorance
[15:55] <mariusko_> It is actually a workaround by adding haproxy-a, haproxy-b etc and relating them accordingly and placing them in different zones
[15:55] <mariusko_> For me it is a blocker for moving from juju to juju-core...
[15:55] <mgz> right, which I think is an argument for just adding it, and getting a better solution later
[15:55] <mariusko_> Japp
[16:02] <mariusko_> mgz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1183831/comments/4
[16:02] <_mup_> Bug #1183831: ec2 constraints missing <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183831>
[16:03] <mariusko_> Should it be reopened?
[18:25] <nxvl> hi, i just installed ubuntu server with Virtual Machine Host and want to deploy some virtual machine with juju
[18:25] <nxvl> is there any documentation on that
[18:25] <nxvl> ?
[18:26] <sarnold> nxvl: try these? https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/
[18:26] <nxvl> hmm, there is no easy to find link from home page
[18:26] <nxvl> thanks
[18:27] <nxvl> will take a look
[18:27] <nxvl> oh, wait, yes have seen that, it talks about AWS, HP OpenStack and MAAS, but no ubuntu server virtual machine host
[18:28] <JoseeAntonioR> nxvl: basically, do a 'local' deploy?
[18:28] <nxvl> JoseeAntonioR: that uses lxc, not kvm
[18:28] <nxvl> AFAICT
[18:29] <JoseeAntonioR> erm, yes
[18:30] <nxvl> jcastro: ^^
[18:30] <JoseeAntonioR> nxvl: he's on holidays
[18:31] <nxvl> oh
[18:38] <ahasenack> nxvl: lxc is not supported in juju-core yet
[18:39] <nxvl> ahasenack: yeah i don't like lxc anyways
[18:39] <marcoceppi> nxvl: So juju does orchestration, it doesn't do provisioning
[18:40] <marcoceppi> You'll need a provisioner (in this case AWS, HP, etc are provisioners) for "bare metal" you can use MAAS (or virtual MAAS which is just MAAS on virtual machines)
[18:40] <marcoceppi> The only real "provisioner" Juju has (had, coming back soon to juju-core) was the local provider meant for development and testing purposes
[18:41] <marcoceppi> There's an "ssh provider" coming soon which will allow you to provision any hardware/machine via SSH, which might be of interest to you if MAAS doesn't fit what you're looking for
[18:41] <sarnold> nxvl: this may also be useful: http://jujucharms.com/~virtual-maasers/precise/virtual-maas
[18:41] <marcoceppi> Until then MAAS is essentially your only "bare metal" option
[18:42] <sarnold> you'll be running actual programs several layers of emulation deep, so it won't be quick..
[18:42] <nxvl> marcoceppi: right, so the thing is: i will be using AWS for final deployment of the app, but i want firt test and write my charms "locally", for that i have 1 physical server where i want to deploy my test environment using juju so i can develop my internal charms
[18:43] <marcoceppi> nxvl: Right, so unfortuantely at this time the local provider is the only way to do so (outside of MAAS, but that requires more than one piece of hardware) When the SSh provider lands you'd be able to just "deploy" to that machine without needing any prerequisites
[18:43] <nxvl> so basically i need to test/develop on one machine that will emulate AWS
[18:44] <marcoceppi> nxvl: You need to test/develop on a machine that utilizes a "provider" level that Juju knows how to talk with - if you're going to be testing the charm
[18:44] <nxvl> so, what if i hear about this juju charm awesomeness and i want to test it before i mess with my AWS cloud?
[18:45] <nxvl> i basically can't?
[18:45] <nxvl> we sysadmins are quite grumpy when it comes to playing with live infrastructure
[18:45] <marcoceppi> nxvl: You'll just need to use a provider juju knows how to talk to. AWS, HP Cloud, OpenStack, LXC (local provider), or MAAS
[18:45] <marcoceppi> We plan to add the "here's a machine deploy this charm" provider, but that's not ready yet
[18:46] <marcoceppi> aka, the SSH Provider
[18:46] <jpds> nxvl: Set up a few KVM machines, and PXE boot them off a MAAS VM.
[18:46] <nxvl> but ahasenack just told me that juju-core does not supports lxc
[18:46] <marcoceppi> nxvl: what jpds isn't too difficult, if you've got the time. I was able to cobble together VirtualBox machines with MAAS so straight KVM would be easier
[18:46] <jpds> nxvl: MAAS VM != LXC, I use KVM.
[18:47] <nxvl> yeah i prefer kvm
[18:48] <marcoceppi> nxvl: so, clarification, the local provider will actually create the "VMs" for you. Where as with MAAS you enlist machines for MAAS to use, then juju will turn them on and deploy to them when it needs to. Two different providers
[18:48] <nxvl> jpds: so, what you are saying is: install a KVM machine with MAAS main server and then PXE boot a couple of other machine as MAAS nodes and be happy?
[18:48] <jpds> nxvl: Yes.
[18:48] <jpds> nxvl: Then point juju at the MAAS main server.
[18:49] <nxvl> jpds: that's why i like you so much! How is London?
[18:49] <jpds> nxvl: Todo bien.
[18:50] <nxvl> marcoceppi: i don't mind creating the MAAS VMs for testing purposes and then leverage on AWS to do that, that's fine
[18:51] <marcoceppi> Then that would be a fine route to go. The docs on MAAS+Juju are a little light so if you get stuck feel free to pop back in here, I'm sure we can find someone to help you out
[18:54] <jpds> I do MAAS+juju in VMs all the time.
[20:14] <adam_g> jamespage, i through up 3 MPs to charm-helpers, all of which are required to support the new openstack templating stuff
[20:14] <jamespage> adam_g, ack - I'll look on monday
[20:15] <adam_g> cool, thanks
[21:30] <JoseeAntonioR> marcoceppi: hey, have a sec so check my code?
[21:30] <JoseeAntonioR> s/so/to


[08:36] <tjaalton> cjwatson: what do you think about adding multipath support for grub? (debian bug 442382)
[08:37] <tjaalton> debian refuses to do it for grub-legacy, but since grub2 is still very much a WIP..
[10:57] <Crac23> hello all
[13:11] <Scix> how can i automate the installation of ubuntu-restircted-extras?
[13:14] <Scix> I found a sh script who did it, but i cant find it again
[13:18] <Scix> All i need is a script or code who answer the license stuf for java
[13:18] <Scix> I'm using preseeding to install the clients
[13:29] <cjwatson> why not just preseed the questions asked by the Java packages?
[13:29] <cjwatson> boot with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer if you're having trouble identifying them
[13:37] <Scix> tanks. I'll try that :)
[17:22] <tjaalton> cjwatson: did you see my question about grub & multipath?
[18:38] <Scix> hello :)
[18:38] <Scix> when i used DEBCONF_DEBUG, I'm getting the message that pkgsel/include does not exists :S
[19:19] <cjwatson> Scix: you can safely ignore that; it indeed doesn't exist in the templates database at the point preseeding is performed, but that's just due to the structure of the installer and does not indicate an error.
[19:19] <cjwatson> tjaalton: sounds reasonable from your description, but I haven't looked into it at all
[19:20] <Scix> cjwatson: ok, so pkgseg/inclide ubuntu-restricted-extras should work after all?
[19:21] <Scix> I'm looking for preseed commands to automate the confirmation of the java install in this package...
[19:21] <cjwatson> assuming you spell it "pkgsel/include" rather than "pkgseg/inclide", should do
[19:21] <Scix> yes, tank you :)
[19:21] <cjwatson> when you use DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer, you will see INPUT something/or/other at the point when the Java question is asked
[19:22] <tjaalton> Scix: sun-java6-jdk   shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1    boolean true
[19:22] <cjwatson> that something/or/other is probably what you need to preseed
[19:22] <tjaalton> Scix: or similar..
[19:22] <cjwatson> tjaalton: was aiming for give-a-man-a-fish ...
[19:22] <cjwatson> rather, teach-a-man-to-fish :)
[19:22] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ah :)
[19:22] <tjaalton> yes, using the debug output teaches you a lot :)
[19:25] <tjaalton> cjwatson: do you prefer a bug report for the grub/multipath issue?
[19:26] <cjwatson> I'd prefer to think about it when I'm not on holiday ;-)
[19:27] <tjaalton> heh, understood :)
[19:27] <cjwatson> an Ubuntu bug report linked to the Debian one would be fine, I guess
[19:28] <tjaalton> I'd be able to test it again tomorrow. I'll try building my own version first
[19:28] <Scix> how can i use DEBCONF_DEBUG on other normal package installations?
[19:29] <Scix> the java command never appeard
[19:29] <tjaalton> oh, grub doesn't have an udeb, so it's even easier to test
[19:36] <cjwatson> I'd do 'sudo env DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer apt-get install thingy 2>log'
[19:36] <cjwatson> (untested)
[19:37] <cjwatson> or you could just try tjaalton's suggestion which matches my recollection although it robs you of the opportunity to learn how to solve this problem for yourself in future
[20:30] <Scix> cjwatson: how can i get output both to file and screen?
[21:01] <Scix> is it important how the preseed file is written? Can i have like user settings at the start, and partitionating settings at the end?
[21:02] <cjwatson> file and screen> don't know what you mean
[21:02] <cjwatson> how the preseed file is written> no, think of it as setting lots of variables at the start, not like a program - order doesn't matter
[21:14] <Scix> your command put everything in a file, and the questions was not presented in the terminal
[21:26] <cjwatson> my command only sends standard error to a file, not the questions
[21:26] <cjwatson> you must have modified it somehow
[21:27] <CIA-5> hw-detect: cjwatson * r101 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog disk-detect.sh ethdetect.sh):
[21:27] <CIA-5> hw-detect: * Backport from trunk:
[21:27] <CIA-5> hw-detect:  - Ask the correct parameters question if modprobe fails.
[21:28] <CIA-5> hw-detect: cjwatson * r102 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog disk-detect.sh): Cope with dm-mod being built-in.
[21:30] <CIA-5> hw-detect: cjwatson * r103 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.71ubuntu2


[18:04] <somerville32> crimsun, I'm sad to hear you're leaving the community.
[18:05] <somerville32> crimsun, Are you going anywhere specific?
[18:05] <crimsun> ok, carried over from #ubuntu-motu, we'll be looking at paman in hardy
[18:05] <crimsun> this source package update is pretty straightforward, but I'll summarise the background.
[18:06] <crimsun> for hardy, we currently have a mess in the Applications>Sound & Video menu ala http://trilug.org/~crimsun/Screenshot.png
[18:07] <crimsun> the intent is to unclutter the menus similar to how the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited spec was implemented.
[18:07] <crimsun> so, to start, we make sure our apt source is current for hardy, and then we grab the paman source package from hardy.
[18:08] <crimsun> `apt-get source paman`
[18:08] <crimsun> please note the version, 0.9.4-1
[18:09] <crimsun> the "upstream" version is 0.9.4, and the Debian source packaging revision is 1 (the hyphen is a separator).
[18:09] <crimsun> the version, 0.9.4-1, implies that this source package in Ubuntu hardy was synced directly from Debian without any changes.
[18:10] <crimsun> since we'll be amending the source package, we'll be sure to note that in the version string by appending "ubuntu1" after the Debian source packaging revision (1).
[18:10] <crimsun> the final version for our Ubuntu-modified source package will be 0.9.4-1ubuntu1.
[18:11] <crimsun> Luckily, the devscripts package (`apt-get install devscripts`) contains a 'dch' utility to make working with these versions easier.
[18:11] <crimsun> so, now, we'll begin editing our changelog
[18:12] <crimsun> `cd paman-0.9.4`
[18:12] <crimsun> the next thing we'll do is use the 'dch' utility to bump the version.
[18:12] <crimsun> `dch -i`
[18:12] <crimsun> note how the correct version and distribution release are inserted automatically at the top.
[18:12] <crimsun> paman (0.9.4-1ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low
[18:13] <crimsun> I'll now outline the three things we need to do;
[18:13] <crimsun> 1) change the maintainer field ala https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[18:13] <crimsun> 2) create a patch to hide the menu item for paman
[18:14] <crimsun> 3) adjust the package control fields to work appropriately with our new MenusRevisited scheme
[18:14] <crimsun> ---  Step 1  ---
[18:15] <crimsun> since you're now editing debian/changelog, make an entry to note that, e.g., * Packaging:  maintainer field mangling
[18:16] <crimsun> save, then exit the editor you're using
[18:16] <crimsun> now the file that we'll be editing in step 1 is debian/control
[18:17] <crimsun> use an editor with that file, and scroll down to the fourth line
[18:17] <crimsun> "Maintainer: CJ van den Berg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:17] <crimsun> we'll need to change that to "Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:18] <crimsun> next, we retain the original maintainer information by inserting a line below our new one: "XSBC-Original-Maintainer: CJ van den Berg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:19] <crimsun> I'm now going to skip ahead to Step 3, since in that step, we edit the same file (debian/control)
[18:19] <crimsun> ---  Step 3 ---
[18:20] <crimsun> remember that one of the main points of this source package adjustment is to have the appropriate binary packages hinted
[18:20] <crimsun> thus, we need to add several binary package names to Recommends for paman
[18:21] <crimsun> in the "Package: paman" section, please see the Recommends control field
[18:21] <crimsun> currently paman only recommends pavumeter.  We want to amend that to recommend pavucontrol and padevchooser as well
[18:22] <crimsun> "Recommends: pavumeter, pavucontrol, padevchooser"
[18:22] <crimsun> now, we've finished editing debian/control, and thus, we've finished Steps 1 & 3.
[18:22] <crimsun> ---  Step 2  ---
[18:23] <crimsun> now we'll use a handy utility called cdbs-edit-patch to simplify creating a patch for the menu item
[18:24] <crimsun> when we list the contents of the patch directory (`ls debian/patches`), we see there's already one patch
[18:24] <crimsun> next, we check if that one patch is applied (`cat debian/patches/series`)
[18:25] <crimsun> we see that it is.
[18:25] <crimsun> now we'll create a patch that applies on top of that existing one.
[18:26] <crimsun> we'll name our new patch descriptively, say, 0050-MenusRevisited.patch
[18:26] <crimsun> we accomplish this with:
[18:26] <crimsun> `cdbs-edit-patch 0050-MenusRevisited`
[18:27] <crimsun> now, the appropriate line we'll add is "NoDisplay=true"
[18:27] <crimsun> we'll make this change in the shipped desktop file, src/paman.desktop
[18:28] <crimsun> simply appending that new line to the file is sufficient
[18:28] <crimsun> lookee there, a spelling error that we can correct in the Comment field
[18:28] <crimsun> (I changed mine to "Comment=Manage your PulseAudio sound server")
[18:29] <crimsun> that's all the edits we need to make to that desktop file
[18:29] <crimsun> save, then exit the editor
[18:29] <somerville32> I get dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: quilt autotools-dev libpulse-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libglademm-2.4-dev lynx asciidoc xmlt when I attempt to use cdbs-edit-patch
[18:30] <crimsun> somerville32: in that case, you need `apt-get build-dep paman`
[18:32] <somerville32> crimsun, installing quilt seemed to correct the issue
[18:33] <crimsun> (right, that's sufficient for the problem at hand.  I'm being a bit more verbose to cover, for posterity/logs, what people may need without an sbuild or pbuilder)
[18:34]  * somerville32 nods.
[18:36] <crimsun> at this point, we've edited src/paman.desktop, so we need to preserve our changes in 0050-MenusRevisited.patch
[18:36] <crimsun> that's pretty straightforward:  we exit by using `exit`
[18:37] <crimsun> we're now back in the original directory, and we've a shiny new debian/patches/0050-MenusRevisited.patch
[18:37] <crimsun> next, we need to append that filename to debian/patches/series so that it's applied
[18:38] <crimsun> `echo 0050-MenusRevisited.patch>>debian/patches/series`
[18:38] <crimsun> and now, we summarise our changes by editing debian/changelog
[18:39] <crimsun> "* Patches:  Apply (new) patch to mask menu item ala MenusRevisited."
[18:40] <crimsun> the next-to-last step will be to regenerate the source package:
[18:40] <crimsun> `debuild -S -uc -us`
[18:42] <crimsun> finally, we'll generate a debdiff that we can attach to a bug report filed, using Launchpad, against the paman source package
[18:42] <crimsun> `cd ..`
[18:42] <crimsun> `debdiff paman_0.9.4-1.dsc paman_0.9.4-1ubuntu1.dsc paman_0.9.4-1ubuntu1.debdiff`
[18:43] <crimsun> err, sorry, that last command should be:
[18:43] <crimsun> `debdiff paman_0.9.4-1.dsc paman_0.9.4-1ubuntu1.dsc > paman_0.9.4-1ubuntu1.debdiff`
[18:44] <crimsun> and we've finished!
[18:49] <somerville32> crimsun, Should we update the standards version?
[18:49] <crimsun> if you wish to verify that 3.7.3 is adhered to and then update it in debian/control, sure.  I didn't, because I didn't verify.
[18:52] <somerville32> Okay
[18:52] <somerville32> I shall
[18:56] <crimsun> -> -motu
[20:18] <h1st0> echo !fonts > h1st0,  h1st0 Read the private message from ubotu
[20:19] <h1st0> hrm...
[20:23] <h1st0> test
[20:23] <h1st0> !test > h1st0
[20:24] <h1st0> !fonts > h1st0,   h1st0 Read the private message from ubotu.


[23:21] <ctmjr> BDR, sudo apt-get install flex
[23:22] <iceroot> jimubao: can www-data access that directory?
[23:22] <jimubao> drwx------ 1 jimubao jimubao  424 2011-07-18 10:13 public_html
[23:22] <BDR> ctmjr: i really hope I don't need the 'net for that 'cause i can't get there on the computer I'm working with
[23:22] <iceroot> jimubao: how should apache read in that dir
[23:23] <iceroot> jimubao: apache is trying to find a .htaccess first but only the user jumubao can read in that dir
[23:23] <jimubao> i set the path in site-available/default
[23:23] <BDR> ctmjr: (the adapter i was using for it was apparently a POS that couldn't handle Linux and broke even for windows use)
[23:23] <venol> Excusme,  I have problem with mailgraph. what does mailgraph calculate  the email came out with a go>
[23:23] <jimubao> iceroot: then what can should i do ?......
[23:24] <jimubao> iceroot:change permission ?
[23:24] <iceroot> jimubao: chmod -R 750 public_html; chown -R jimubao:www-data public_html
[23:25] <wildbat> iceroot: that;s ntfs ~ he need to change mount options
[23:25] <iceroot> jimubao: after that YOU can read and write every file in public_html, apache can read every file in there but cant write a file
[23:26] <jimubao> iceroot: after chmod -R 750 the folder still drwx------ 1 jimubao jimubao  424 2011-07-18 10:13 public_html
[23:26] <iceroot> wildbat: ah yes you are right
[23:26] <ctmjr> BDR,  here you go make sure you have the dependencies also, then just copy them to the computer without the internet http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/flex
[23:26] <exutux> cannot use unix permission on NTFS fs
[23:27] <iceroot> exutux: i thought only posix-acls are not possible with ntfs
[23:27] <jimubao> iceroot: i have tried chmod it so that is why i was wondering is it possible to set public_html on another volume
[23:27] <jimubao> iceroot: it seens like i cant chmod the folder in that volume, it is a ntfs volume that i mounted ~
[23:28] <BDR> ctmjr: does it matter which architecture I use?
[23:28] <ctmjr> BDR,  yes
[23:29] <wildbat> jimubao: mainly coz ntfs is not native to linux ~ it don't support chmod/chown. you have to remount it with different mount option or use bindfs
[23:29] <BDR> ctmjr: ok, how do i know which architecture I want?
[23:29] <jimubao> the reason i wanna put public_html file on this volume is that so i can access it in both windows and linux
[23:30] <Byan> trying to install ati binary drivers.
[23:30] <Byan>  fglrx depends on libc6-i386; however:
[23:30] <JohnMnemonic> Who can help me with SpiderMonkey C library instalation?
[23:30] <Byan>   Package libc6-i386 is not installed.
[23:30] <jimubao> wildbat: so is not possible to have apache files on ntfs volume then ?
[23:30] <jimubao> ....
[23:30] <Byan> why do I need 32bit libc for 64bit linux?
[23:30] <ctmjr> BDR,  what did you install on the computer 64 or 32 bit
[23:31] <wildbat> jimubao: it is possible ~ you just have to give it the right mount options
[23:31] <BDR> ctmjr: ..there was not AIR a bit selection for the natty download.
[23:31] <JohnMnemonic> Byan when U want to use 32b apps on 64 u need that ; )
[23:31] <jimubao> wildbat: how do u do that ? what do u mean by right mount option ?
[23:32] <wildbat> !NTFS-3g | jimubao
[23:32] <BDR> ctmjr: It was probably 32 bit
[23:32] <Byan> hrm, apt-get -f install fixed everything.. nevermind
[23:33] <wildbat> jimubao: mount it so that www-data can read the ntfs
[23:34] <BDR> ctmjr: how might i check to make sure?
[23:34] <jimubao> wildbat: i using 11.04
[23:34] <ctmjr> BDR,  yes more than likely uname -r will give you an idea if you see amd64 then it is just that
[23:35] <jimubao> i was able to use desktop gui to create folder or files
[23:35] <jimubao> wildbat: i though ntfs-3g is preloaded on installiation
[23:35] <jimubao> ~
[23:36] <wildbat> jimubao: and you use gnome gvfs to mount it ~ that y group www-data can read that drive.
[23:36] <jimubao> wildbat: so i need root mount ?
[23:37] <JohnMnemonic> how to earn cloak?
[23:38] <JohnMnemonic> how to get to bed and sleep till morning?
[23:39] <wildbat> you need to mount it like
[23:39] <wildbat> <your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=33,umask=007,dmask=007,fmask=007,defaults,user,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[23:39] <aguitel> anyway to enable splash in boot process ?
[23:40] <jimubao> wildbat: ???
[23:40] <yagoo> aguitel, see bootoptions wiki in ubuntu
[23:40] <yagoo> !bootoptions
[23:40] <JohnMnemonic> aguitel, 1 second splash?
[23:40] <aguitel> JohnMnemonic, yes
[23:40] <jimubao> in terminal ?
[23:41] <tintin011> Am inprest
[23:41] <yagoo> !nomodeset
[23:41] <yagoo> aguitel, ^
[23:42] <wildbat> jimubao: ok ~ "sudo umount /media/Files"
[23:42] <JohnMnemonic> good night
[23:42] <aguitel> yagoo, i have nvidia card running nvidia-173 driver
[23:43] <jimubao> wildbat: ok done
[23:43] <jimubao> so i mount it again with that command ?
[23:43] <byroncoughlin> aquitel what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:43] <BDR> ctmjr: <IP_ADDRESS> -generic is all I get from uname -r
[23:44] <aguitel> byroncoughlin, kubuntu 11.04
[23:44] <wildbat> jimubao: sudo mkdir /media/Files; sudo mount.ntfs -o uid=1000,gid=33,umask=007,dmask=007,fmask=007,defaults,user,locale=en_US.utf8 /dev/sdx# /media/Files
[23:44] <ctmjr> BDR,  then it is not a 64bit kernel
[23:45] <wildbat> jimubao: where the sdx# is the ntfs dev you trying to mount
[23:45] <iceroot> is there a way to have / encrypted with a passphrase but be able to type in the password with ssh or something else over the network?
[23:45] <BDR> ctmjr: yay
[23:45] <BDR> ctmjr: so i386 then?
[23:46] <MattQC> Oh hello
[23:46] <nightrid3r> iceroot how are you going to run ssh when / is still encrypted
[23:46] <ctmjr> BDR,  yes
[23:46] <MattQC> Can somebody please possibly help me with some power management settings?
[23:46] <iceroot> nightrid3r: maybe with pxe, a live-session or something else
[23:47] <yagoo> MattQC, you dictator?
[23:47] <MattQC> Sorry?
[23:47] <yagoo> MattQC, I protest
[23:47] <iceroot> nightrid3r: or maybe grub has somehting like that to connect to a running tty1
[23:47] <nightrid3r> iceroot i see no reason to encrypt / , /home i can understand cos there is your data
[23:48] <MattQC> Please explain how I offended?
[23:48] <MattQC> What would be the correct way to go about asking for technical assistance?
[23:48] <yagoo> !ask
[23:48] <MattQC> My apologies
[23:48] <byroncoughlin> MattQC What is the question you want regarding power settings?
[23:49] <MattQC> Well, first, on the chat now, how is it again that a username appears in red, in direct conversation?
[23:49] <iceroot> nightrid3r: without an encrpyted / you can run a live-cd and e.g. modifiy /etc/shadow
[23:49] <iceroot> nightrid3r: also /swap is on /
[23:50] <yagoo> iceroot, / is used for the system. That's like asking to send email when there's no electricity.. use common sense
[23:50] <send> ?
[23:50] <cheshirelad31> hi room
[23:50] <yagoo> iceroot, if / is not available.. nothing is available...
[23:51] <cheshirelad31> anyone uk here
[23:51] <MattQC> I'm trying to enable runtime PM for pci devices -- it's a PowerTop suggestion.
[23:51] <yagoo> iceroot, you sure you're using a swapfile and not a swappartition ?
[23:51] <iceroot> yagoo: as i said, maybe there is something like pxe or a grub-function to attach to tty1
[23:51] <iceroot> yagoo: yes swapfile created on /
[23:51] <yagoo> iceroot, I think 2-3 people in here wonder if you're trolling
[23:51] <nightrid3r> yagoo or more :)
[23:52] <aguitel> yagoo, solved ,thanks
[23:52] <iceroot> yagoo: my question is if it is possible to attach to tty1 over lan from grub/pxe  if it is trolling for you then i guess i dont need your support
[23:52] <yagoo> aguitel, so the bootoptions fixed it?
[23:52] <aguitel> yagoo, yes
[23:53] <iceroot> yagoo: e.g. on /var/lib/xen there are my vms, so it doesnt make sence to encrypt only /home
[23:53] <yagoo> iceroot, wrong channel.. you want #kvm
[23:53] <iceroot> yagoo: on /etc/mysql/my.secret there is my mysql-root-password, on /etc/ldap/ldap.secret there is the ldap-secret for the admin
[23:54] <antivirtel> hi! I have an UPS connected via USB. I fount it in lsusb; how can I find the right path in /dev?
[23:54] <yagoo> antivirtel, lsusb -v maybe
[23:54] <iceroot> yagoo: private ssh and so on, so of course there is a reason to encrypt /
[23:55] <nightrid3r> iceroot if i can steal your disks no encryptio nwill protect your data in the long run
[23:55] <iceroot> nightrid3r: you mean the very very very long run about many many years?
[23:55] <worstadmin> nightrid3r, Actually it would help
[23:55] <nightrid3r> iceroot its just not possible to start any service from an encrypted system without the key
[23:56] <iceroot> nightrid3r: as i said 3 times, maybe there is something like pxe or a grub-function to connect to tty1 (busy box) to enter the password
[23:56] <iceroot> nightrid3r: that is my initial question here
[23:58] <minus_> Hi! I started recording a video from my webcam with mencoder. I accidentaly turned it off with ctrl-z instead of ctrl-c. This resulted in mencoder not "unloading?" the webcam. So the webcam is now stuck and mencoder says that its busy.
[23:59] <minus_> I tried to rmmod the driver. But it reported that it was in use.
[23:59] <minus_> Is there a way to undo this without a reboot?
[23:59] <yagoo> minus_, type "fg"
[23:59] <yagoo> minus_, ctl-z suspended process in background
[23:59] <yagoo> fg unsuspends last suspended program.. and attempts to resume
[23:59] <minus_> yagoo, <3
[23:59] <minus_> It worked :D


[00:37] <BoneTone> grrr, lubuntu for some reason is not recognizing that my HDMI output is a sound device
[03:34] <Pivot> Hi
[03:35] <Pivot> Guys I got an issue with the usb install of Lubuntu
[03:36] <Pivot> Can someone help me deal with it ?
[03:36] <wxl> we're not all guys..........
[03:36] <Pivot> Sorry ahah
[03:37] <BoneTone> Pivot: generally you'll get better support if you say specifically what your issues is
[03:37] <Pivot> I'm trying to install lubuntu on a notebook
[03:38] <BoneTone> and...
[03:38] <Pivot> So I'm creating a usb boot stick with some Windows softs, like Lilinux or Rufus (Even Unetbootin)
[03:39] <Pivot> Everything seems to work fine
[03:39] <Pivot> But when I try to boot on it, It goes directly to my BIOS
[03:39] <wxl> did you check the hashes?
[03:39] <Pivot> I didn't
[03:39] <wxl> then that's where i'd start
[03:41] <Pivot> Ok
[03:43] <bonetone> so, my issue is that I've installed lubuntu onto an Intel NUC, but it's not recognizing that my HDMI has audio output, it's not listed in the pulse audio control as an output device...
[03:44] <bonetone> it works as a display just fine, but won't output audio
[03:44] <bonetone> i installed the OS while connected to a monitor that doesn't have audio, but this is an htpc, so now connected to my tv, i don't have sound
[03:48] <Pivot> @wxl Well, the hashes seems correct..
[03:50] <Pivot> It's strange, it worked with ubuntu LR and LTS and even debian
[03:59] <Pivot> Could it be an incompability with the 32bits version ?
[04:02] <Pivot> The ISO isn't the problem, I've launched it perfectly as a VM


[15:44] <taihsiang-mtg> cyphermox, hi, I have a ubiquity branch and would like to have a merge proposal against trusty https://code.launchpad.net/~taihsiangho/ubiquity/trusty-proposed
[15:44] <taihsiang-mtg> cyphermox, I am not sure which target branch I should choose, or say, I am not sure with who should I contact to access the upload approve from Ubuntu Installer Team
[15:45] <cyphermox> taihsiang-mtg: I'm finishing up a proposal document for a project and then I'll review your code
[15:45] <cyphermox> should only be a few minutes.
[15:45] <taihsiang-mtg> cyphermox, may you tell me how to move on to make the patch upstreamed?
[15:45] <cyphermox> you've already done what is needed for it to be upstreamed, we're the upstream for ubiquity
[15:46] <cyphermox> perhaps the only thing would be for the same changes to be applied for wily first
[15:46] <cyphermox> I'll look into that as I review the code branch
[15:47] <taihsiang-mtg> cyphermox, cool, thanks


[22:42] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases needs an update (moving 20.04 to the top, adding 20.10 to 'future')


[13:41] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +229 cases (now 1.6 million), +3 deaths (now 27873), +20031 tests (now 10.4 million) since a day ago


[01:19] <wolflarson> installing ubuntu touch now :)
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <Nakul> Hi
[08:23] <Nakul> I have recently upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS and I am not able to login to my desktop
[08:24] <zzarr> desktop/laptop machine?
[08:25] <Nakul> laptop machine
[08:25] <Nakul> I have tried all the methods as provided to resolve this issue on http://askubuntu.com/
[08:25] <Nakul> nothing has worked
[08:26] <Nakul> I am able to login to TTY
[08:26] <zzarr> is it just the graphical login that's not working or can't you login at all?
[08:27] <Nakul> graphical login only
[08:27] <Nakul> terminal login is working fine
[08:28] <zzarr> I think you're in the wrong channel, I think #ubuntu is better for you
[08:29] <zzarr> this channel is for Ubuntu Touch
[08:29] <Nakul> ok
[08:29] <Nakul> thanks by the way
[08:29] <zzarr> np :)
[08:42] <mcphail> Is there a roadmap to getting video chatting in place on the phone? What would be the likely direction? WebRTC?
[08:46] <ogra_> mcphail, yeah, webrtc
[08:46] <mcphail> ogra_: is there already support in the browser? I was wondering if it would be a simple matter of giving browser access to the camera?
[08:47] <mcphail> (or webapp)
[08:47] <ogra_> no, there isnt ... first of all it needs trust-prompt/trust-session integration
[08:47] <ogra_> then oxide needs to learn to manage hw devices
[08:48] <ogra_> probably oSoMoN knows where that stands, there is definitely work going on to implement it
[08:48] <mcphail> ogra_: ok - chromium is capable, isn't it?
[08:49]  * mcphail just wonders how much is baked in already
[08:49] <mcphail> cheers ogra_
[08:49] <ogra_> chromium isnt oxide ;)
[08:49] <mcphail> ogra_: i know
[08:59]  * svij gets ready for another "Ubuntu Phone Insider" hangout… :)
[09:00] <popey> oooh
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Lion Day! 😃
[09:09] <svij> oh no sturmflut2 is back.
[09:09] <sturmflut2> In all his glory!
[09:12] <nhaines> svij: aww, I'm jealous.   Nothing to announce yet
[09:36] <oSoMoN> mcphail, ogra_: this is work in progress, see bug #1410996
[09:36] <ogra_> thx !
[09:37] <nhaines> svij: I'll alert Softpedia.  "Whatsapp coming to Ubuntu this week.  FACT."
[09:37] <svij> nhaines: haha
[09:38] <ogra_> nhaines, thats lame ... "Ubuntu to be the OS of the new facebook phone, Whatsapp now included !"
[09:39] <ogra_> thats better ;)
[09:39] <nhaines> Haha
[09:50] <svij> "no specific news about the us"
[09:52] <nhaines> I'll settle for broad generalities.
[09:57] <om26er> es
[10:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: how can i disable the adb lock again without reflashing?
[10:09] <zzarr> hello! time for hard questions... but the situation first, I having a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition
[10:11] <zzarr> I want to be able to run X applications on it, ogra_ suggested a chroot yesterday, which sound like an outstanding idea to me
[10:11] <zzarr> but how would I set it up?
[10:13] <popey> you could use debootstrap to build a simple chroot.
[10:13] <popey> Not sure how you'd run x apps unless you used xmir
[10:15] <zzarr> popey: I want to use xmir
[10:15] <zzarr> but I don't know how
[10:15] <zzarr> I have installed the ppa version
[10:19] <popey> zzarr: sorry, I don't know either, never used xmir
[10:20] <zzarr> okey
[10:21] <guest42345> zzarr, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12499.html
[10:21] <zzarr> what source should I use for debootstrap?
[10:23] <ogra_> dont waste your time with debootstrap, use an ubuntu-core tarball ;) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[10:24] <zzarr> thanks guest42345
[10:25] <guest42345> zzarr, you can also run android apps
[10:26] <zzarr> how do I run android apps?
[10:26] <zzarr> thanks ogra_
[10:30] <zzarr> one thing... the mouse cursor is invisible when I connect a bt mouse
[10:31] <zzarr> (the ui transforms in to desktop mode)
[10:31] <popey> that's known.
[10:32] <zzarr> known fix?
[10:32] <ogra_> and wanted :)
[10:32] <zzarr> mouse cursor on most wanted list? (is it a criminal?)
[10:32] <ogra_> you attached a mouse, so desktop use is assumed
[10:33] <zzarr> yes, that I know and love
[10:33] <ogra_> oh, the cursor, sorry misread
[10:34] <ogra_> the fix will be in the next mir release afaik
[10:36] <zzarr> I understand that you can't give an exact date when that fix is released, but any idea?
[10:40] <ogra_> before 16.04 :P
[10:40] <ogra_> (kidding,... not idea :) ask #ubuntu-mir)
[10:40] <zzarr> yea :)
[10:52] <zzarr> I'm thinking about buying ASUS Chromebook Flip when the 4GB version arrives here, is it possible to install Ubuntu with Unity8 on it?
[10:52] <zzarr> (it's a unit transforming between laptop and tablet)
[10:54] <zzarr> sry ogra_ I ended up running a debootstrap in any way I want apt ;)
[10:54] <ogra_> ?
[10:54] <zzarr> it was only snappy packages in the core
[10:54] <ogra_> not in the tarball i linked
[10:55] <ogra_> the snappy tarball is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:55] <zzarr> I wanted vivid, so I browsed around a bit
[10:55] <ogra_> the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ is just the content of a "debootstrap --minbase"
[10:55] <zzarr> I must have done something wrong
[10:56] <zzarr> ohh.. I see, sorry for me being stupid :O
[10:56] <ogra_> and the vivid release is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/vivid/release/
[10:56] <ogra_> fort the non-snappy tarball
[10:57] <zzarr> okey
[10:59] <zzarr> by the way, I'm thinking of buying a pcduino3 and touch-screen for a project, is it easy or hard to install a graphical interface on a snappy-core dist?
[10:59] <zzarr> it have a Mali400 GUPU
[10:59] <zzarr> GPU*
[11:00] <ogra_> still rather hard, but we're working on it ;)
[11:00] <zzarr> okey
[11:00] <ogra_> (there is no Mir framework snap yet, only some experimental hackery)
[11:01] <ogra_> (and i only just released an RPi image that is even capable of running graphics at all, up to now we didnt have any arm HW that could even run a monitor)
[11:02] <zzarr> okey, I guess you're a skilled developer (you sound skilled)
[11:04] <ogra_> well, according to my salary cheque i am skilled enough to fill my fridge with it :)
[11:06] <svij> ogra_: today I fooled myself "ohh ogra reshared an german ubuntu phone article, I wonder who wrote this… oh that was me."
[11:07] <ogra_> nah, it was Mr. "guest author" (never met hom though)
[11:07] <ogra_> *him
[11:07] <svij> :D
[11:07] <ogra_> :)
[11:08] <zzarr> :) I'm a developer too, I can also fill my fridge :D
[11:10] <zzarr> is there a way to run android apps on Ubuntu Touch at the moment?
[11:11] <nhaines> No, and there are no such plans.
[11:11] <Guest82082> yes
[11:11] <zzarr> Guest82082: how?
[11:13] <zzarr> nhaines: don't Canonical have a plan to make use of Android apps?
[11:14] <ogra_> luckily not :)
[11:14] <Guest82082> zzarr, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13705.html
[11:14] <nhaines> zzarr: nope.
[11:15] <zzarr> thanks Guest82082 :)
[11:15] <ogra_> nobody holds you back to create a dalvik hack that works with Mir and ship that inside your click package though ;(
[11:15] <ogra_> err
[11:15] <ogra_> ;)
[11:15] <nhaines> I'm not sure about that mailing list entry.
[11:15] <nhaines> Step 1: break your phone.
[11:16] <Guest82082> nhaines, zzarr is a developer
[11:16] <zzarr> okey, nhaines and ogra_
[11:16] <ogra_> well, following that clearly asks for re-flashing after you tried it
[11:17] <zzarr> I thought of that way yesterday, running Android apps in ARChon
[11:18] <Guest82082> zzarr, you can also make the terminal app not suspend
[11:18] <zzarr> Guest82082: how?
[11:18] <Guest82082> it's just a setting in gsettings
[11:18] <ogra_> via even more hacks :)
[11:19] <zzarr> all the hacks :)
[11:21] <Guest82082> zzarr, http://notyetthere.org/openstore-tweakgeek-and-more/
[11:24] <zzarr> As much as I don't like Android apps I wish to use my banks app (it will take a while before it's ported to Ubuntu Touch)
[11:26] <ogra_> i guess you are out of luck with that ... unless you plan to never upgrade your phone after you set it up
[11:27] <zzarr> if there's a solution now, there will be in the future ;)
[11:28] <ogra_> i doubt that
[11:28] <zzarr> why?
[11:28] <ogra_> there is no sane way to allow execution of android apps in our security model
[11:29] <zzarr> what about XMir, Chromium and ARChon?
[11:29] <ogra_> even if you did go the "ship dalvik inside your click" way your app wouldnt have access to anything, missing the android system groups etc etc
[11:29] <ogra_> the only way to make it run is the apt way which we will never officially support on phones
[11:29] <ogra_> (since it works around all security)
[11:30] <zzarr> but XMir will be officially supported?
[11:30] <ogra_> there might be a chance that someone eventually writes a snappy framework to run it inside a container or so and once the phones moved to snappy you could use that ...
[11:31] <ogra_> but that woiuld still not give you access to HW
[11:31] <ogra_> (or any other underlying system bits your app or the VM wants)
[11:31] <zzarr> true
[11:31] <ogra_> also you wouldnt be able to actually use the input layer properly i guess
[11:32] <ogra_> snappy will make all such things possible ... technically ... but that doesnt mean that your app will get along with that
[11:32] <zzarr> but the bank app I'm talking about only needs a internet connection
[11:33] <ogra_> you would need transaltion layers everywhere
[11:34]  * svij wouldn't use banking apps on any phone anyway…
[11:34] <zzarr> I'll have a look at ARChon later, maybe I can use some code from chromium and make my own app using webkit
[11:35] <zzarr> I don't see the harm in using it, it's very limited
[11:35] <ogra_> uuh
[11:35] <ogra_> that would become a gigantic click package ... if you ship webkit inside :)
[11:35] <ogra_> (there is no webkit on the phone)
[11:35] <svij> whats the browser using then?
[11:36] <ogra_> oxide
[11:36] <zzarr> what about "include Ubuntu.Webkit" in QML?
[11:36] <ogra_> i dont think thats supported anymore
[11:36] <zzarr> okey
[11:37] <ogra_> webkit was only there in the very early RTM images
[11:37] <svij> "An oxide /ˈɒksaɪd/ is a chemical compound that contains at least one oxygen atom and one other element[1] in its chemical formula." I see :D
[11:39] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/oxide
[11:39] <zzarr> yes, I think you know oxide if you think about it, when it iron oxide we call it rust ;)
[11:39] <svij> ogra_: I know ;)
[11:39] <popey> so blink
[11:40]  * ogra_ blinks
[11:40] <ogra_> always following popey's commands ;)
[11:40] <popey> :)
[11:42] <Guest82082> zzarr, https://chromium.googlesource.com/arc/arc/
[11:44] <zzarr> interesting
[11:49] <zzarr> I hope there will be a alien like solution or something in the future for apk to click/snappy
[11:50] <ogra_> surely possible ... as i said, you would need some kind of android framework your snap can consume, tnnen it might be doable
[11:50] <zzarr> yepp
[11:52] <ogra_> and the "alien like tool" is called snapcraft ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-August/000995.html
[11:52] <zzarr> I found this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/chromium-browser-ported-mir-display-server
[11:53] <zzarr> cool ogra_ :)
[11:54] <ogra_> yeah, shows that past technologies could be ported to Mir :)
[11:54] <ogra_> (march 2014 ... )
[11:55] <zzarr> yepp (I saw the date ;) )
[12:09] <zzarr> I got an update for my phone :D
[12:09] <zzarr> how often will I get updates?
[12:10] <Guest82082> 6 weeks on the stable channel :| :| :|
[12:10] <Guest82082> :| :| :| 6 weeks = forever
[12:10] <zzarr> I have proposed
[12:11] <zzarr> so, each 6'th week for stable
[12:11] <ogra_> daily on the rc-proposed channel (with exclusion of the weekends, so things get dogfooded for more than 24h without reboot over weekends)
[12:11] <zzarr> okey
[12:12] <Guest82082> OTA6 Expected:
[12:12] <Guest82082> 2015-08-20   https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww34-2015
[12:12] <zzarr> thanks
[12:12] <Guest82082> OTA7 Expected:
[12:12] <Guest82082> 2015-10-01 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww40-2015
[12:12] <Guest82082> etc
[12:14] <Guest82082> zzarr, btw, ogra_ not just some developer is The developer
[12:14] <Guest82082> :P
[12:14] <ogra_> lol
[12:14] <Guest82082> *is
[12:15] <Guest82082> an his fridge is ginormas
[12:15] <Guest82082> *and
[12:16] <zzarr> :D
[12:20] <zzarr> I have a question I just thought of, let's pretend I have a headset at home, connected to my computer and my phone charging, will it be possible to talk thought the headset with some one on the phone?
[12:21] <ogra_> sounds like a useful feature but you would need quite some hackery for that
[12:21] <zzarr> something for the future :)
[12:23] <zzarr> not that it matters, but is there any reason why it says ubuntu and have the 5 dots under instead of the rotating ubuntu symbol when booting proposed?
[12:24] <ogra_> to make it look more like all other ubuntus :)
[12:24] <zzarr> :)
[12:24] <popey> yeah, thats the new bootsplash
[12:24] <ogra_> (i think it was quite some work to get rid of the spinner)
[12:24] <popey> "new" / "old"
[12:25] <zzarr> I think it's nicer :)
[12:25] <ogra_> definitely
[12:26]  * ogra_ wasted nearly his whole weeked playing "day-d-tower-rush" sitting in the garden ... nearly as addicting as MvM ... i wonder if i should upload the click i had to build to make it work fullscreen :)
[12:27] <ogra_> i would have tried popey's offline HTML5 setup but couldnt find it anywhere
[12:27] <popey> github
[12:27] <popey> its where all the cool kids hang out
[12:27] <popey> https://github.com/popey/ubuntu-html5-template
[12:28] <ogra_> popey, i mean the game :P
[12:28] <popey> oh
[12:29] <zzarr> I love the open source community :D
[12:39] <zzarr> did I say something wrong?
[12:40] <popey> eh?
[12:40] <zzarr> I thought I killed the chat ;)
[12:41] <ogra_> la chat est mort !
[12:41] <zzarr> :( chatten är död :(
[12:42] <ogra_> (no you didnt, but we sometimes actually do work aside from IRC ;) )
[12:42] <zzarr> :D
[12:42] <zzarr> me 2
[12:42] <ogra_> (except popey, he only does IRC indeed :P )
[12:43] <JanC> s/la chat/le chat/ ? :)
[12:44] <ogra_> yeah, french gender cofusion
[12:44] <ogra_> *con
[12:45] <zzarr> :)
[12:45] <zzarr> I can't speak french
[12:45]  * ogra_ neither ... said my french teacher ...
[12:45] <svij> Je ne parle pas francais <-- that's the only sentence I know !
[12:45] <popey> outrage
[12:46] <ogra_> popey, is that le or la outrage ?
[12:46]  * popey tries to remember GCSE French
[12:46] <popey> l'outrage I think.
[12:46] <svij> popey: haha
[12:46] <ogra_> lol, thats cheap !
[12:47] <zzarr> :D
[12:48] <davmor2> popey: you're just going on L'oreal for that aren't you ;)
[12:48] <ogra_> oh, and i always thought that was his bed-hair in the eraly morning hangouts ...
[12:49] <davmor2> popey: surely it is Zut Alors!
[12:52] <JanC> svij: "Je ne parle pas le français" you mean?  :)
[12:53] <Guest82082> omlette du fromage!
[12:55] <Guest82082> je suis une hélicoptère
[12:55] <zzarr> is Jesus in a helicopter?
[12:56] <zzarr> I have funny letters too åäö
[12:56] <Guest82082> :)) ze german?
[12:57] <zzarr> Swedish :)
[12:57] <Guest82082> ah, ikea :D
[12:57] <Guest82082> got it
[12:57] <zzarr> yes :)
[12:57] <svij> lol
[12:57] <popey> \o/ volvo
[12:57] <Guest82082> volvo is chinese
[12:57] <ogra_> please press the elk key
[12:58] <svij> JanC: uh, oh, the "le" is definitely wrong there.
[12:58] <zzarr> Volvo was bought by a Chinese company
[12:59] <Guest82082> yeah :(
[12:59] <k1l> too bad for volvo. i really liked my 960 :) my brother still drives it
[13:00] <zzarr> :)
[13:00] <zzarr> good cars, my father and mother had one for 15 years without any mayor problem
[13:00]  * popey still loves his V70
[13:00] <popey> I have had mine for 14 years
[13:01] <popey> used to have a debian sticker in the back, but that faded
[13:01] <popey> wish we sold ubuntu stickers in the store
[13:01] <zzarr> I'm from the same town as Gevalia :) (Coffee brand)
[13:01] <popey> (big ones, sticky on the reverse)
[13:01] <zzarr> :)
[13:01] <zzarr> The town is called Gävle
[13:01] <JanC> most Volvos are still built in Belgium   :)
[13:02] <zzarr> true true
[13:02] <JanC> followed by the Swedish factory
[13:02] <JanC> IIRC they will only build cars in China for the Chinese & other Asian markets
[13:03] <zzarr> okey, nice
[13:03] <JanC> (at least for now)
[13:05] <JanC> most of the cost advantage of manufacturing in China would be lost in transport back to Europe anyway
[13:06] <zzarr> yea
[13:07] <k1l> well, the 960 got more than 500.000km on the speedo. and still runs just fine. but the petrol consupmtion is "a bit" high :X
[13:08] <zzarr> high consumption is a problem with older Volvos
[13:18] <zzarr> Qt Creator... hello! I changed that string, stop using the old!
[13:18] <zzarr> sry, just some minor rage
[13:19] <zzarr> compiling :)
[13:21] <zzarr> it takes forever
[13:26] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck figuring out what's up with that fix-network branch?
[13:27] <abeato> Kaleo, ping
[13:30] <ProstheticS> ..
[13:30] <ProstheticS> oops, didnt mean to hit enter on thato ne
[13:48] <dobey> eh, how does one open a url from the terminal on the phone?
[13:48] <dobey> there's no xdg-open or gvfs-open :(
[13:49] <ogra_> i bet you could do some magic content-hub invocation
[13:54] <dobey> i don't wnat content hub. i'm not trying to read data from one app or share it to another. i just want to test opening a url via url-dispatcher
[13:55] <ogra_> err, url-dispatcher
[13:55] <ogra_> i always mix these two up
[13:55] <ogra_> (we need to merge them to stop confusing me !!!)
[13:56] <popey> dobey: good question!
[14:07] <mcphail> oSoMoN: thanks - I have +1'd the bug. Would like to see video chatting working
[14:08] <oSoMoN> mcphail, yeah, getting that to work will be a great milestone for the browser app
[14:08] <mcphail> oSoMoN: out of interest, how much of the "plumbing" is already there?
[14:10] <davmor2> dobey: webbrowser-app http://www.ubuntu.com?
[14:11] <dobey> davmor2: no, i don't want to launch an app with a url. just a url
[14:11] <dobey> (and it's not an http url)
[14:12] <oSoMoN> mcphail, for microphone use, I think most of it is already there, for camera access, not really sure yet
[14:13] <davmor2> dobey: fair enough
[14:15] <mcphail> oSoMoN: cheers
[15:31] <pete-woods> ogra_: hi. I'm having trouble maintaining a stable connection to my arale and krillin (which is flashed to wily right now)
[15:31] <pete-woods> I've tried replacing my USB cable
[15:32] <pete-woods> is this a known thing?
[15:32] <pete-woods>  / have I missed an important post on ubuntu-phone
[15:32] <pete-woods> it works for a little while if I toggle developer mode off and on again
[15:32] <pete-woods> but soon stops working, requiring another toggle
[15:32] <ogra_> USB is generally a bit flaky on arale ... try using a slower connection like USB 2.0 or 1.1 ... 3.0 will definitely cause issues
[15:33] <pete-woods> I don't have USB 3
[15:33] <pete-woods> this also happens on krillin, though
[15:33] <pete-woods> makes silo testing quite a PITA
[15:33] <pete-woods> as it doesn't stay connected long enough to update the silo
[15:33] <ogra_> beyond that i dont know if the HWE teams work on researching that issue further, john-mcaleely might be able to tell
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> well, it is 'not widely reported' on krillin
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> to the extent I'd say, what's up with your setup :-)
[15:34] <ogra_> oh, i totally missed the krillin in the first sentence :P
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> krillin generally seems reliable
[15:35] <john-mcaleely> arale, on the other hand, flaky as a flaky thing
[15:35] <ogra_> my overheated brain just played back the standard answer here :P
[15:35] <john-mcaleely> use usb 2, cross your fingers, and repeat
[15:35] <pete-woods> my laptop only has usb2
[15:35] <john-mcaleely> try a different hub (for arale)
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> suspect your setup (for krillin)
[15:36] <pete-woods> it's almost like the adb daemon on the device is crashing
[15:36] <pete-woods>  / freezing
[15:36] <ogra_> tnen you would have reports in /var/crash
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> oh, or things you do to the image.
[15:36] <ogra_> well
[15:36] <ogra_> its wily
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> could the oom killer thingie kill it?
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> oh, wily?
[15:36] <ogra_> i wouldnt trust wily image at all currently
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> very new ground. here be demons
[15:36] <ogra_> yeah
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> I've never used it
[15:37] <pete-woods> right
[15:37] <ogra_> *especially* for C++
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> doubly, especially for anything ++
[15:37] <pete-woods> will flash to vivid if I can get through a bootstrap boot with it
[15:37] <pete-woods> are there special rules for arale
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> yeah. it's broken
[15:37] <pete-woods> (I seem to remember something like that)
[15:37] <ogra_> same as always ...
[15:37] <pete-woods> ah
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> use a known-good usb setup :-)
[15:37] <ogra_> different recovery.img indeed
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> oh, that, yes
[15:38] <ogra_> !devices
[15:38] <pete-woods> I have the different recovery image for krillin
[15:38] <ogra_> listed there in the table
[15:38] <pete-woods> there's one for arale too?
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> ooh. I didn't know the bot knew that
[15:38] <ogra_> yes
[15:38] <pete-woods> right
[15:38] <davmor2> ogra_: is the standard answer snappy fixes everything?
[15:38] <pete-woods> got it
[15:38] <pete-woods> thanks
[15:38] <ogra_> they are device specific
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> can we add !recovery ?
[15:38] <ogra_> davmor2, !
 my overheated brain just played back the standard answer here :P
[15:39] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, i bet we can, noit sure how though ... popey might know whom to ping
[15:39] <ogra_> dayeah, tha exclamation mark was to confirm your statement ;)
[15:39] <john-mcaleely> interesting. lets see :-)
[15:39] <ogra_> davmor2, ^
[15:40] <popey> wat wat?
[15:40] <popey> oh, to the bot, sure
[15:40] <ogra_> popey, adding commands to the bot, whom does john-mcaleely need to ping ?
[15:41] <ogra_> alan bell ?
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> I'd love it to know !recovery
[15:41] <ogra_> or the irc ops channel ?
[15:41] <popey> what do you want it to say?
[15:41] <popey> I can do that
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> !recovery
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> hrm
[15:41] <popey> you did that then
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> maybe
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> !recovery-flash
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> aha
[15:42] <popey> we can have a specific recovery entry just for this channel
[15:42] <ogra_> yeah
[15:42] <popey> just tell me what you want it to say
[15:42] <popey> which will override the one used in #ubuntu
[15:42] <ogra_> better than pointing to desktop recovery :)
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> "You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> "
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> lol
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> maybe so
[15:42] <ogra_> i would also point to the table ...
[15:42] <ogra_> there is so much content on that page
[15:43] <ogra_> the table gives a hint where to look for the link
[15:43] <john-mcaleely> true
[15:44] <popey> ubot5: recovery-#ubuntu-touch is <reply> You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash
[15:44] <pete-woods> can anyone tell me the magic combination to get arale into fastboot mode? I've tried holding "vol up" on, but it takes me to the spinning ubuntu logo / recovery kernel thingy
[15:44] <john-mcaleely> !recovery
[15:44] <popey> it needs someone else to +1 I think
[15:44] <popey> hang fire
[15:45] <pete-woods> hmm, soft-bricked now, it seems :( no longer booting
[15:45] <john-mcaleely> pete-woods, "Long press Power + Down:"
[15:46] <pete-woods> john-mcaleely: thanks!
[15:49] <popey> !recovery
[15:49] <popey> \o/
[15:52] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvF2pPeb5E
[15:53] <popey> Radio 1!?
[15:53] <popey> thats for young people!
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: just listen to it
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: Plus I'm younger than you :P
[15:54] <popey> nice!
[15:54]  * popey downloads
[15:55] <popey> You win this time Mr Morley!
[15:56] <pete-woods> john-mcaleely: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12048900/
[15:56] <pete-woods> is what I end up with from fastboot / bootstrap
[15:57] <pete-woods> I'm obviously doing something wrong here..
[15:58] <john-mcaleely> pete-woods, looks like fastboot is up, and your usb is flaky
[15:58] <pete-woods> but to suddenly get flaky? after years of it working?
[15:58] <pete-woods> I guess it's possible
[15:59] <kenvandine> i had a cable go bad
[15:59] <kenvandine> suddenly got flaky
[15:59] <pete-woods> I already changed to two different cables
[15:59] <kenvandine> ok
[16:03] <pete-woods> okay, I apparently have like 3 dead USB cables..
[16:03] <pete-woods> a fourth one works!
[16:04] <faenil> bschaefer: pingie
[16:06] <bschaefer> faenil, pong
[16:11] <faenil> bschaefer: did you try getting apkenv to work on ubuntu touch?
[16:14] <bschaefer> faenil, i've not tried that out
[16:14] <ogra_> that only works for non java apps anyway, no ?
[16:15] <ogra_> (unless youo also provide the whole VM)
[16:15] <faenil> bschaefer: ok, I was thinking of giving that a spin whenever I have some free hacking time
[16:15] <faenil> bschaefer: what is the status of sdl2 on UT?
[16:15] <ogra_> works awesome
[16:15] <faenil> great
[16:15] <ogra_> install neveball, neverputt or tuxracer from the store ;)
[16:15] <faenil> ogra_: ok :D
[16:15] <ogra_> they all run natively on Mir via SDL2
[16:15] <faenil> cool stuff
[16:16] <ogra_> yep
[16:16] <faenil> I don't know much about apkenv atm, but I thought it could be a good starting point
[16:16] <faenil> I thought it was actually the opposite, it ran java apps but needed hacks for the ndk ones
[16:16] <faenil> but your point makes more sense
[16:17] <bschaefer> faenil, it should work fine as long as you use
[16:17] <bschaefer> faenil, what version of mir? If you're 0.12 you should be fine
[16:17] <bschaefer> if you are greater then that you'll need this branch:
[16:18] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[16:18] <ogra_> faenil, well, i only glanced over the docs of apkenv and it looked to me like it was only some re-pack thing ...
[16:18] <faenil> bschaefer: I don't know yet when I'll have time to play with that, I guess I'll ping you again when I actually start doing something with it :D
[16:18] <bschaefer> faenil, awesome would love to hear how that goes :)
[16:18] <faenil> :)
[16:18] <bschaefer> as far as tuxracer, thats SDL1.2 which i've a branch for
[16:19] <bschaefer> and it only works on the desktop (since no EGL support)
[16:19] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/sdl1.2-mir
[16:20] <faenil> yeah, it's for ndk stuf...
[16:20] <faenil> well, some games at least should work :)
[16:20] <bschaefer> yeah :)
[16:20] <popey> bschaefer: i know icculus is working on a wrapper for sdl1.2 which presents itself as sdl2, so you can run sdl1.2 apps on sdl2
[16:20] <faenil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDFurHbXlI
[16:20] <bschaefer> popey, yeeeah but he said that to me like... 1-2 years ago :)
[16:20] <popey> dunno how far he's got
[16:20] <popey> hahaha
[16:20] <faenil> :D
[16:20] <popey> he has the to-do list from hell
[16:20] <bschaefer> popey, not sure how much priority it has
[16:21] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:21] <bschaefer> i could only imagine :(
[16:21] <popey> he will never have no work, that guy
[16:21] <popey> which is a good thing I guess :)
[16:21] <bschaefer> haha yup
[16:22] <john-mcaleely> pete-woods, in fairness, I think it's more likely to be the arale usb controler, not your cables :-/
[16:23] <john-mcaleely> good to see it working (I got distracted for a while)
[16:24] <pete-woods> john-mcaleely: if it's useful information, it's a relatively expensive 1ft "Anker" cable that's working
[16:24] <pete-woods> maybe the short length helps
[16:25] <pete-woods>  / maybe the cable thickness
[16:25] <pete-woods> at any rate, it;'s working now :)
[16:25] <john-mcaleely> short seems to be a theme for 'working'
[16:28] <faenil> pete-woods: are you using a powered usb hub? (forgive me if this was asked already)
[16:28] <faenil> in case you aren't, that probably helps
[16:30] <pete-woods> faenil: I'm not, but it sounds like I need ti buy one
[16:30] <pete-woods> *to
[16:31] <faenil> we're waiting to get one delivered
[16:31] <faenil> to see if it actually helps
[17:49] <zzarr> hello :)
[17:53] <ogra_> beuno, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12049072/ ... is there a way to check if the timestamps of the clicks in the sotre are still correct after the upgrade ? we see the stuff in that paste in the generated custome tarballs since very recently
[17:54] <ogra_> beuno, oh, wait ... ignore me ... thats apparmor
[17:54] <beuno> ignored
[18:08] <davmor2> beuno: remember that ogra_ put no time limit on that ignore him ;)
[18:09] <ogra_> lol
[18:42] <zzarr> is it ok to leave suggestions here?
[18:42] <habs> barry: Hi, not sure if this is the right place, but new to system-image, trying to compile system-image-2.2 on a desktop 14.04 deriv and I get this error: http://sprunge.us/UJXS Do you know how I would go about fixing this?
[18:46] <zzarr> well, my idea is that it should be possible to mute notifications as well as incomming calls between different times
[18:51] <greyback_> popey: about?
[18:51] <popey> hello greyback_
[18:52] <greyback_> popey: hey, could you do me a quick favour: could you edit the summary of https://launchpad.net/qtmir and remove the first bullet point
[18:52] <greyback_> I think you're on the PSPM team so can do that
[18:52]  * greyback_ haz no powah
[18:52] <popey> greyback_: done. look okay?
[18:52] <greyback_> popey: will do nicely, thanks
[18:52] <popey> \o/
[18:52] <popey> np
[18:53] <barry> habs: system-image 2.2 is way old.  you should either try 3.0.1 or 2.5.1
[18:54] <barry> preferably 3.0.1
[19:02] <thepeter-web> Hi :)
[19:05] <thepeter-web> I have bought bq5 ubuntu edition and I would like to start with doing as real work as possible, but I have some questions (reagrding principles but also technical ones) who can I ask them please?
[19:07] <Guest82082> !question
[19:09] <popey> thepeter-web: yeah, just ask away here.
[19:09] <popey> or at askubuntu.com :)
[19:09] <thepeter-web> heh ok why is there a store with need for login do get apps? (I am linux user I know how packaging system work so why do I need to use login?)
[19:09] <popey> so that we can do things like deliver the same apps to all your devices, keep them in sync, re-download paid apps
[19:10] <thepeter-web> that is a very first one :D
[19:10] <popey> doing this on day one means it's easier to add those features later
[19:10] <popey> without having to say to people "okay, 2 years later, _now_ you need a login"
[19:11] <thepeter-web> poopey uhm okay but there is a way to use it with this feature is it?
[19:11] <popey> not all of it is implemented yet
[19:12] <thepeter-web> cuase that the kind of freedom I like on linux  (decentralisation)
[19:12] <thepeter-web> cause ^
[19:14] <thepeter-web> I just would like to u know open terminal and start scripting (optimal would be python, but as I've red official support won't be seen for it soon)
[19:15] <dobey> you bought a phone, but you want a PC?
[19:16] <thepeter-web> ehm I bought a device with some abilities somehwere between phone and PC :D
[19:16] <mcphail> thepeter-web: I can't see that anything stops you opening a terminal and starting scripting...
[19:17] <dobey> mcphail: probably the common complaint that certain things are not installed; like emacs
[19:17] <thepeter-web> I don't expect it to be PC, but yes I admit I want more than just smart phone
[19:17] <dobey> thepeter-web: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[19:19] <mcphail> thepeter-web: the phone is remarkably hackable. You just need to spend a little bit of time working out the restrictions
[19:20] <thepeter-web> dobey cool thanks for link I just wanted to know if I can avoid using login and registering email and so on and just install terminal to open it for adjusments :P
[19:20] <dobey> no, you can't install apps from the store without logging in
[19:20] <thepeter-web> mcphail that is what I expect from it (since it is opensource :P)
[19:21] <dobey> you can side-load apps over adb if you have developer mode enabled, and the .click package file to be installed
[19:23] <ogra_> thepeter-web, being opensource doesnt say anything about the hackability when the binaries are on a device ;) ... that the phones are hackable at all is due to the manufacturers allowing that, you can lock down ubuntu on the phone as much as you can with android :)
[19:24] <ogra_> (so if the vendors wanted that they could ... )
[19:24] <thepeter-web> dobey okay, so I am on 15.04 r4 is there documetation about  system? (dir structures and so on), so I am gona get my login in the store to get terminal on :P
[19:25] <nhaines> thepeter-web: you'll have to download the source and compile the Terminal yourself.
[19:25] <nhaines> Then you can sideload it without issue.
[19:25] <dobey> thepeter-web: it is ubuntu
[19:26] <dobey> thepeter-web: the root filesystem is read-only (it is a phone, after all)
[19:26] <dobey> hence, the chroot method i linked to
[19:26] <thepeter-web> orga_ hackability is probably a strong word used by mcphail :D I just want to adjust it as linux machine adjusted can be :P
[19:26] <mcphail> thepeter-web: file system is similar to stock ubuntu. Clicks packages (e.g. apps from app store) get installed under /opt
[19:26] <ogra_> thepeter-web, you can do that ... within the bounds of the system ....
[19:27] <mcphail> thepeter-web: by "hackability" I mean I can write an app in almost any language and expect it to run. That is fairly cool
[19:27] <ogra_> ou can also hack nearly any part of the system ... technically :)
[19:28] <dobey> or with an axe
[19:28] <ogra_> (there are some binary blob drivers that you cant ... obviously)
[19:28] <nhaines> I'm more than a little impressed that all the OEMs were fine with shipping with unlocked bootloaders.
[19:28] <thepeter-web> dobey okay but there are still specific thing to work with which I would not expect to be covered on computer but I'll just look for them
[19:28] <dobey> i don't know what you mean
[19:28] <nhaines> thepeter-web: you're being awfully vague about it.
[19:28] <ogra_> nhaines, yeah, both commpanies acted really great here
[19:28] <ogra_> -m
[19:29] <mcphail> thepeter-web: you'll need to get used to app confinement and lifecycle management
[19:29] <thepeter-web> mcphail I would like to get to that point too ... in time :P
[19:29] <nhaines> ogra_: even locked but unlockable would have been disappointing but acceptable.  Barely.  :)
[19:29] <thepeter-web> mcphail even with "my own small apps" ?
[19:29] <mcphail> thepeter-web: yep
[19:29] <ogra_> yeah, well, a nexus like way was what i hoped for initially ... we got far more ;)
[19:30] <dobey> nhaines: when an ubuntu phone is in "will it blend?" then you'll know we have been successful
[19:30] <ogra_> +1
[19:30] <mcphail> thepeter-web: for your own apps, you can break confinement but it isn't so easy to break lifecycle management.
[19:30] <nhaines> ogra_: until then, it's slightly less whining in /r/Ubuntu by people who won't buy the phone anyway, so it all works out for me.  :P
[19:31] <thepeter-web> nhaines sorry for that :) it is because I don't have absolutelly clear idea what adjusments I would like to do since don't really know yet how much is the system "locked" as orga_ menioned
[19:32] <thepeter-web> so I am just starting my imagination on this one
[19:32] <ogra_> thepeter-web, well, nothng is locked ... but if you make the readonly bit writable and modify it you can break it badly
[19:32] <ogra_> for example
[19:33] <ogra_> if you really want to dig in ... the first thing you shuld do is find out how to re-flash it ;)
[19:33] <ogra_> then just break it badly til you found your middle ground (or a proper way) for doing what you want
[19:34] <thepeter-web> orga_ I am very well aware of that danger :P that's why I went here to prenet as much dammage as possible :P
[19:34] <ogra_> we are here for any concrete questions ;)
[19:35] <ogra_> and i'd also suggest to subscribe to the ML
[19:35] <Fgmeizu> Who is familiar with making scopes via scopecreator
[19:35] <ogra_> Fgmeizu, cwayne can surely point you in the right direction
[19:36] <thepeter-web> ok so ... I have my contacts exported from old phone, and  I want to import them avoiding thirt party servers connections an so on ... I have them physically copied to the phone, is there a way to just import them to "contacts"?
[19:36] <Fgmeizu> Allright have tried to make one, installed it on my meizu but not the result I expected
[19:36] <Fgmeizu> Then made a few builds....
[19:37] <Fgmeizu> But think i made a mess now in my phone "click wise"
[19:39] <Fgmeizu> How can i see what packages are installed and how can I remove them from my phone?
[19:39] <ogra_> thepeter-web, the phone uses syncevolution and i think it is possible to import vcf contacts (not sure about bulk, i use google contacts) ... SIm import and google contact import are the only ones that currently have UI support
[19:39] <dobey> Fgmeizu: "click list"
[19:39] <Fgmeizu> Saw somethink in the net like click list, but the package is not listed
[19:40] <dobey> what package is not listed?
[19:40] <Fgmeizu> The click package of the scope i made
[19:40] <ogra_> how did you install it ?
[19:40] <Fgmeizu> Via scopecreator......scopecreator build
[19:41] <dobey> that builds a click i guess, but i don't think it installs it?
[19:41]  * ogra_ has never used scopecreator but i would guess the same
[19:41] <Fgmeizu> Ok, so where on the phone is it? Because the scope is there
[19:42] <Fgmeizu> Sorry the package
[19:42] <dobey> well the contents of the click package would get unpacked under /opt/click.ubuntu.com/
[19:43] <dobey> what exactly is your problem?
[19:43] <ogra_> adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/$PACKAGENAME
[19:43] <Fgmeizu> I tried to make a scope....white screen, no logo, no title.....
[19:43] <ogra_> hmm, it actually installs it
[19:44] <dobey> ogra_: oh, eww
[19:44] <ogra_> looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~scopecreator-team/scopecreator/trunk/view/head:/usr/bin/scopecreator
[19:44] <Fgmeizu> So worked a bit in scopecreator config....branding etc
[19:44] <thepeter-web> orga_ I know here is no simple UI for that, will use man to find text config, but step by step, first the terminal and some text editor :P
[19:45] <popey> we ship nano and vi by default on the phone
[19:45] <popey> so you're okay for editors..
[19:45] <popey> ..unless you're some kind of emacs *pervert*
[19:45] <dobey> popey: you have a very boring definition of editor
[19:45] <ogra_> ultraedit FTW !!
[19:46] <popey> "can edit files" is good enough for me
[19:46] <mcphail> cat ftw
[19:46] <nhaines> nano is the new ed.
[19:46] <dobey> it's the plain annoying vi
[19:46] <dobey> not vim
[19:46] <Fgmeizu> Uh, i am a normal guy that tries to explore ubuntu touch
[19:46] <ogra_> vi is for vinners !
[19:46] <thepeter-web> popey cool :D that will very well sufice
[19:46] <dobey> and they behave quite differently
[19:46] <popey> Fgmeizu: welcome to the madhouse
[19:47] <ogra_> Fgmeizu, i fear you reaally have to wait for cwayne to show up, he wrote that tool
[19:47] <Fgmeizu> S***t, i am no developer or computer wizz....
[19:47] <nhaines> I'm looking forward to running LibreOffice 5.0 on my tablet.  :)
[19:47] <popey> soon...
[19:48] <dobey> Fgmeizu: i presume you haven't checked the scope logs either?
[19:48] <ogra_> Fgmeizu, that is why you should wait for the one that can help you to show up :)
[19:48]  * thepeter-web just found out that file:/// works on browser
[19:48] <ogra_> yep
[19:48] <Fgmeizu> I just have this phone for one month and just 2 weeks looking around these kind of things....
[19:49] <ogra_> there is also a filemanager app :)
[19:49] <mcphail> thepeter-web: you are one step away from writing your first webapp for ubuntu!
[19:49] <ogra_> lol
[19:49] <nhaines> I noticed last night that the browser now has visible tabs on my Nexus 7... at least it does in landscape mode!
[19:50]  * ogra_ wants a fullsceen button in the menu
[19:50] <ogra_> my latest store upload only exists because i couldnt get the game to switch to fullscreen :P
[19:50] <nhaines> The gesture shortcut for fullscreen should be a 6 finger tap.  :P
[19:51] <dobey> nhaines: or throwing the phone against a wall
[19:51] <dobey> "project it, there!"
[19:51] <ogra_> why 6 if you can take 9 ?
[19:51] <thepeter-web> mcphail :D :D I take these jokes as any noob should :P (I just hope I just didn't broke CoC by writing this :P)
[19:51] <Fgmeizu> Dobey: where do I find these?
[19:51] <mcphail> thepeter-web: I was semi-serious :)
[19:52] <thepeter-web> mcphail okay then :)
[19:52] <dobey> Fgmeizu: /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log might have some errors when you try to use your scope. if you tail it, and watch it while trying to use y our scope, you might see it can't get results, or such
[19:52] <ogra_> thepeter-web, technically you could implement a file browser with a few lines of meta data in a click package that way ...
[19:52] <ogra_> mcphail is right ;)
[19:52] <ogra_> (as a webapp)
[19:53] <mcphail> thepeter-web: i really like the web renderer on Ubuntu, as used by the browser and the webapps. Very fast and standards-compliant
[19:53] <Fgmeizu> Dobey: ok
[19:55] <Fgmeizu> Dobey: just removing the package from the phone and trying to build again, opion? I have all files on the pc as well
[19:56] <thepeter-web> orga_ :) and thats why I wanted the documentation on 15.04 (r4) in the first place :P is there a blog of somebody decsribing how he/she did it? (u know examples ... easiest to learn on them :P)
[19:57] <dobey> Fgmeizu: ok. i'm just giving you hints on where to look to find out what's not working for you, so that you may fix it. i've not used that script myself, and i don't know what you're trying to do exactly
[19:57] <dobey> thepeter-web: i presume they all did it on an actual PC, using the SDK :)
[19:58] <dobey> which has fairly decent documentation, and a template for creating a web app :)
[19:58] <thepeter-web> dobey uhm you are probably right :P
[19:59]  * ogra_ does it using vi in a terminal ;)
[19:59] <dobey> yeah, i did it with emacs
[19:59] <dobey> i have an aversion to IDEs
[20:00] <Fgmeizu> Dobey sorry, i am a nono programming wise so 89% you tell me is new.....but I am lerning
[20:00] <ogra_> even my QML ones
[20:00] <Fgmeizu> Learning
[20:01] <thepeter-web> orga_ or dobey wil you share there few lines with me?
[20:01] <thepeter-web> these ^
[20:01] <nhaines> thepeter-web: have you been to http://developer.ubuntu.com/ ?
[20:02] <thepeter-web> nhaines yes but the thing is that phone is the only ubuntu device I currently have :P
[20:02] <ogra_> thepeter-web, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/day-d-app.tgz ... thats a game i just uploaded to the stoe today
[20:03] <nhaines> thepeter-web: then only read the developer documentation for the phone?
[20:03] <ogra_> took about 10min of work (since i have the files as templates)
[20:03] <ogra_> thepeter-web, untar ... then run: click build day-d/
[20:03] <ogra_> that produces a click package
[20:04] <ogra_> to get the click command use the SDK PPA to install it
[20:05] <ogra_> on the phone you can then use pkcon to install the produced click
[20:05] <ogra_> (clicks get installed as user, not system wide like debs)
[20:06] <thepeter-web> orga_ thx will try it ... oh okay I am going to get thourgh that registration on store
[20:07] <mcphail> thepeter-web: ogra_ , not orga_ :)
[20:09] <thepeter-web> mcphail ups thx it seems I am too tired, so ... enough humiliation for today
[20:09] <nhaines> I for one always appreciate how helpful orca_ is to everyone.
[20:11] <thepeter-web> thank for first contact chat will CU here sooner or later :P
[20:12]  * thepeter-web starts his own ubuntu touch exploration expedition, that's he always like on linux - exploring everything
[20:12] <mcphail> thepeter-web: enjoy!
[20:13] <thepeter-web> mcphail :) thanks I already do :P
[20:57] <abacustard> helloooo - quick one - what do I have to do with .img files to adb sideload them?
[20:58] <abacustard> specifically - wily-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img wily-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img and wily-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img
[20:58] <abacustard> Bueller - anyone?
[21:05] <nhaines> !patience | abacustard
[21:15] <abacustard> plse could someone advise me as to how to sideload touch on Nexus 7 grouper
[21:15] <abacustard> specifically - wily-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img wily-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img and wily-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img
[21:18] <nhaines> abacustard: what do you mean by "sideload"?
[21:20] <abacustard> adb sideload from my laptop into CWM
[21:22] <abacustard> i had tried phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel /ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu-developer/generic
[21:22] <abacustard> and
[21:22] <abacustard> various other channels but I can't find a channel with a json for grouper
[21:24] <nhaines> Sorry, I thought 'grouper' was the name for the GSM version of 'flo'.
[21:24] <mcphail> abacustard: what one is grouper? is that the 2012 or 2013 nexus 7?
[21:24] <nhaines> Grouper isn't supported and can't run Ubuntu.
[21:24] <nhaines> mcphail: it's the wifi 2012 model.
[21:24] <mcphail> nhaines: I think the 2012 ones can't run ubuntu
[21:25] <mcphail> nhaines: sorry - nick error!
[21:25] <mcphail> abacustard: ^
[21:27] <abacustard> i had quantal running earlier
[21:27] <abacustard> but it was pretty unresponsive
[21:27] <nhaines> If you want to run Ubuntu on it, you'll need to port it yourself.
[21:27] <nhaines> And there are no graphics drivers available if I recall.
[21:41] <abacustard> thanks nhaines
[21:41] <abacustard> xda seems to have a few successes
[21:46] <nhaines> abacustard: Hopefully so!
[21:48] <abacustard> still a bit confised as to why the developer preview would work but nothing else BUT confusion is a state I am cofmortable with so hey ho
[21:48] <mcphail> abacustard: support was dropped
[21:48] <nhaines> abacustard: because AOSP dropped support for the hardware.
[21:50] <nhaines> They spend significant time and resources trying to port it, but it was resources they didn't have.  And since they were almost a year off from their announced release date even after dropping support for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 (2012), I'd say it was probably the right call, no matter how annoyed I was about it.  :)
[21:50] <abacustard> makes sense - thanks so much for your help nhaines
[21:51] <nhaines> abacustard: sure.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you saved some time.  See if anyone's still working on it over at xda perhaps!
[21:51] <abacustard> and mcphail!
[21:52] <abacustard> re: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[21:53] <abacustard> why are there grouper.img listed?
[21:53] <habs> barry: I'd like to but I really can't because I'm working on a patch for an Ubuntu 14.04 LTS deriv and system-image-2.2 is the latest supported version in Trusty
[21:53] <nhaines> Because they commited to maintaining the daily builds so that if the community stepped up and did the port, they'd accept the patches upstream so that everyone could use them.
[21:54] <habs> barry: Does it seem like my problem http://sprunge.us/UJXS is related to the package version / will be fixed in a newer one? If so I could try compiling the newer version but I'd still need for it to work on the older one
[21:56] <barry> habs: i'm almost positive the permission error is fixed in later versions, and the timeouts were due to race conditions that were also fixed.
[21:56] <abacustard> nhaines: ok I understand now - thanks again
[21:56] <nhaines> abacustard: it was a good question. :)
[22:41] <mterry> ralsina, hello!  I see that once upon the time, you set ubuntu-push to not show a notification when the greeter is up.  Why is that?  Feels weirdly out-of-sorts with how we treat SMS