[16:32] <charlie-tca> GridCube: possible addition to the faq top 10:
[16:32] <GridCube> say
[16:32] <GridCube> :)
[16:32] <charlie-tca> If the cursor doesn't follow the theme set for 11.04 and above, try
[16:32] <charlie-tca> chmod +x ~/.Xdefaults
[16:33] <charlie-tca> .Xdefaults must be executable for Xfce 4.8
[16:33] <charlie-tca> That is a change from Xfce 4.6, too
[16:34] <GridCube> i can say i ever heard of that :/
[16:35] <charlie-tca> You can change the cursor in Settings -> Mouse, but it doesn't always work.
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Making .Xdefaults executable helps fix that
[16:36] <GridCube> ok
[16:37] <GridCube> charlie-tca, i also have this "Can i add costum themes to xubuntu?"
[16:37] <GridCube> i know i can
[16:37] <GridCube> but how do i phrase it?
[16:38] <pleia2> GridCube: that's a good one
[16:38] <GridCube> Yes you can intall themes for ???? directly into ~/.something
[16:38] <charlie-tca> "How can I add custom themes or new themes to Xubuntu?"
[16:39] <charlie-tca> install themes directly to ~/.themes or add them to /usr/share/themes
[16:39] <GridCube> what kind of themes?
[16:39] <GridCube> where from?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Themes added to ~/.themes require you to logout/login
[16:40] <charlie-tca> any gtk theme should work
[16:40] <charlie-tca> !themes
[16:40] <charlie-tca> so, we need to update the factoid again
[16:41] <charlie-tca> http://http://xfce-look.org/
[16:41] <charlie-tca> http://xfce-look.org/
[16:43] <charlie-tca> !no, !themes is #xubuntu Find your themes at http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://xfce-look.org- Also see !changethemes
[16:43] <GridCube> can i add the mouse pointer thing to this question? or should i add a new one for it?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> new one, since most people do not think of themes and mouse pointers together
[16:44] <GridCube> ok
[16:50] <GridCube> do i link to this on the apt-get manual link? http://linux.about.com/od/ubusrv_doc/a/ubusg11t01.htm
[16:51] <GridCube> or should i find a better link?
[16:51] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/apt-get.html
[16:51] <GridCube> this one is shorter but from ubuntu's
[16:52] <charlie-tca> As much as possible, we link to Ubuntu
[16:52] <charlie-tca> so, the help.ubuntu.com link should be linked to
[16:53] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[16:53] <GridCube> ok this one then
[16:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:10] <GridCube> i've made a short url for the google doc http://alturl.com/qq8o4
[17:10] <knome> !themes
[17:10] <knome> charlie-tca, ^
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:10] <knome> np
[17:12] <GridCube> i just need one more question for the faq
[17:13] <knome> "Where can I learn more?"
[17:13] <knome> #xubuntu @ Freenode, xubuntu.org
[17:13] <knome> xubuntu-users and -devel mailing lists
[17:14] <knome> planet ubuntu for general ubuntu stuff
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Great question!
[17:14] <knome> as well as the help.ubuntu.com documentation
[17:14] <knome> or/and "How can I contribute to Xubuntu?" too
[17:14] <knome> -> link to the contribute page
[17:14] <knome> that can be integrated to the other question as well
[17:15] <GridCube> i was thinking on that line too
[17:15] <GridCube> but mine was, "how can i help to make xubuntu"
[17:16] <knome> i suppose contribute is better, since that also covers stuff like helping out with support and stuff
[17:16] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Don't have to be a coder/developer to contribute, but that is a requirement to "make" Xubuntu
[17:17] <GridCube> something like, "My question is not covered here, how can i get more help?"
[17:17] <charlie-tca> damn that english language
[17:17] <GridCube> mmm
[17:17] <charlie-tca> GridCube: that would be good
[17:20] <GridCube> :p i need to find the links now
[17:20] <GridCube> but its food time
[17:20] <GridCube> :D
[17:44] <Olbi> hello all :D
[17:45] <Olbi> weekend is over soon :(
[17:45] <Olbi> I have some ideas for next release of Xubuntu - 12.04 :)
[17:48] <knome> Olbi, you can go ahead
[17:48] <Olbi> I thought that all are doing something else :P
[17:49] <knome> they can be, but most of us read the backlog anyway
[17:49] <Olbi> Firstly - change grub and boot screen, like it is on PCLinuxoS Phoenix Edition :)
[17:49] <Olbi> if some1 saw it, that know what I mean :D
[17:50] <knome> hmm, do you mean theme grub2, or install something else instead?
[17:50] <knome> there are (some) improvements to the boot artwork for oneiric already, and more are coming for o+1
[17:51] <Olbi> hmm :) smells good :D
[17:51] <madnick> Olbi: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/draft-fsck2.ogg
[17:51] <Olbi> Xubuntu 11.04 doesnt have any artwork for grub2 and boot screen default :(
[17:51] <knome> mmh, i need to take out some garbage, which do not smell so good
[17:51] <knome> brb
[17:52] <Olbi> nice look, but I think we should get logo to the background and more bigger
[17:53] <Olbi> and booting line take to bootom
[17:53] <Olbi> with text which appear above it
[17:56] <madnick> :)
[19:48]  * Unit193 hopes he didn't miss all that much
[20:01] <charlie-tca> We have a meeting in a couple of hours today
[20:07] <Unit193> Again, can't make it. Sorry about it, but I can only really make the Monday ones
[20:10] <charlie-tca> No problem.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Testing beta1 starts Tuesday
[20:11] <Unit193> I'll be working on my issue real soon so I should be good
[20:17] <charlie-tca> zsync your images so you are ready
[20:19] <Unit193> I can't do that as that's part of the thing broken :/
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Oh
[21:04] <Unit193> Alright, reboot has fixed it after all... Dunno how that was mixed up :/
[21:34] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I can not get the menus to go away at all
[21:35] <charlie-tca> bug 805922
[21:35] <charlie-tca> can't really verify the fix, since I can not reproduce the bug in the first place
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I have tried 4 times to reproduce this issue. I can not seem to do so.
[21:49] <mr_pouit> meh
[21:49] <mr_pouit> I'll set up a natty vm tomorrow and try too
[21:49] <charlie-tca> frustrating
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to make the menu go away
[21:49]  * micahg has xubuntu natty on armel w/out issue
[21:55] <charlie-tca> so, even editing menu properties and checking "Use custom menu file: " with Menu file: "NONE" gives me a menu
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Well, anyone here for a meeting?
[22:01] <madnick> Yes
[22:01] <micahg> o/
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will have one then
[22:01] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[22:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Aug 28 22:01:54 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[22:01] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting:
[22:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Agenda for today's meeting:
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Well, I got to remember not to paste things that way.
[22:03] <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:03] <charlie-tca>  * livecd menu logo - knome
[22:03] <charlie-tca> knome: you around?
[22:04] <GridCube> :/ he is not apparently
[22:04] <charlie-tca> and I haven't seen the new logo on the menu yet
[22:04] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:04] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you around?
[22:05] <mr_pouit> yes
[22:05] <charlie-tca> go ahead, sir
[22:05] <GridCube> o/
[22:06] <mr_pouit> there are very few updates this week, so I'll write them, and you can ask your question right after :P
[22:06] <GridCube> yes no problem
[22:06] <mr_pouit> micahg fixed the alternate cd to fit in 700M again; latest greybird uploaded, and plymouth 16bit theme added.
[22:07] <mr_pouit> ..
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Whee! short and simple. But got a lot done again
[22:07] <GridCube> we have 3 different terminal emulators, can something be done to reduce this to at least two? xcfe4-terminal and xterm?
[22:07] <charlie-tca> We should have good plymouth themes for everyone now, right?
[22:07] <GridCube> (and hide xterm from the menus)
[22:07] <GridCube> ..
[22:08] <mr_pouit> (micahg: feel free to add if I forgot something ;-)
[22:08] <madnick> o/
[22:08] <micahg> o/
[22:08] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you were going to remove a couple of terms from Accessories, or did we forget to tell you?
[22:08] <mr_pouit> GridCube:  yeah we can hide xterm/uxterm from the default menu
[22:08] <charlie-tca> madnick: go ahead?
[22:08] <madnick> Is the bug in plymouth fixed?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> It isn't fixed on the latest image
[22:09] <madnick> okay
[22:09] <madnick> ..
[22:09] <charlie-tca> but updates seem to be held up waiting for the new ubiquity to get there, too.
[22:09] <GridCube> mr_pouit, that would be useful to reduce redundancy and confusion (..)
[22:09] <mr_pouit> madnick: the typos? Not yet (as it doesn't seem to break anything, it can wait for after the beta, right?)
[22:09] <madnick> mr_pouit: I suppose :)
[22:09] <charlie-tca> micahg: your question/comment?
[22:10] <micahg> we have 4 FTBFS sources from the archive rebuild including xubuntu-docs
[22:10] <micahg> but unless we have new docs for oneiric, we can fix after beta
[22:10] <mr_pouit> GridCube: please file a bug against xubuntu-default-settings for anything related to the menu (it'll be done after the beta, and without a bug report as reminder it'll be forgotten)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I will have to track the docs guys down and see if we are getting the new stuff in
[22:11] <micahg> also, I added back japanese to the alternate CD, there's more room, so I could add back another language as wel
[22:11] <GridCube> (will do)
[22:11] <mr_pouit> mmh, the person who took care of the docs in natty isn't very active lately
[22:11] <micahg> ..
[22:11] <charlie-tca> yeah, we seem to have that problem with docs
[22:11] <charlie-tca> We really need someone to step up and work on them.
[22:12] <mr_pouit> I'm afraid that we'll only replace 11.04 by 11.10 in the docs for this cycle :<
[22:12] <charlie-tca> micahg: between you and mr_pouit, you will decide what to do with the cd's.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Well, sometimes that is all we can do.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Any other comments / questions for packaging and development?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:14] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:14] <charlie-tca> We done really good testing daily images this week. Many thanks to those doing those tests.
[22:14] <charlie-tca>  * Please sync your images. We begin Beta1 testing on Tuesday.
[22:14] <GridCube> o/
[22:14] <charlie-tca> go ahead, GridCube
[22:15] <GridCube> the bluetooth thing is being worked i gather?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> I thought that got fixed already
[22:15] <GridCube> oh, havent tested since last time, sorry
[22:16] <mr_pouit> which issue is it again?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Not sure which bug number that is, our list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot is growing again
[22:17] <charlie-tca> GridCube: explain it again, please.
[22:17] <charlie-tca> blue tooth causing gnome-control-center to crash?
[22:17] <GridCube> when you choose bluetooht on the menu it calls gnome-something bluetooth
[22:18] <GridCube> yes that
[22:18] <mr_pouit> ah, indeed, "gnome-control-center bluetooth"
[22:19] <mr_pouit> well, we can: 1/ put the correct dep to gnome-control-center (but it'll bring it on our iso, and possibly for gnome apps, ~unknown side effects)
[22:19] <mr_pouit> 2/ drop gnome-bluetooth from the default install
[22:19] <mr_pouit> 3/ try to find a replacement for it
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Does dropping gnome-bluetooth mean bluetooth won't work at all?
[22:20]  * charlie-tca likes 3/ best
[22:20] <GridCube> bug 866311
[22:21] <mr_pouit> Bug #831488
[22:21] <mr_pouit> err, which one is it? :p
[22:21] <GridCube> bug 836311
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[22:21] <mr_pouit> GridCube: thanks
[22:21] <GridCube> no problem
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Is that the right bluetooth bug, GridCube ?
[22:21] <mr_pouit> is bug #831488 the one you were thinking about?
[22:22] <GridCube> thats the one i reported yes
[22:22] <GridCube> see my name there :P
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Yup, that's the one
[22:22] <mr_pouit> seb128 wrote: "The issue is that the bluetooth interface is a control-center panel in GNOME3 so it should depends on it"
[22:22] <charlie-tca> GridCube: it ain't fixed
[22:23] <mr_pouit> so yeah, if we go 1/, it'll bring gnome-control-center by default
[22:23] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:23] <charlie-tca> and they won't fix it by allowing it to not be a depends
[22:23] <GridCube> isnt there another bluetooht manager?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: it still should not give an error when you don't have bluetooth, should it?
[22:24] <mr_pouit> there's "blueman", but I don't know its state in oneiric
[22:24] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: no, it won't give any error, since gnome-contrl-center is missing, so the current menu entry is useless
[22:25] <micahg> well, it's yet another thing to port to dh_python2, but that's acceptable...
[22:25] <charlie-tca> but that is what the bug is for. It did crash with no bluetooth
[22:25] <charlie-tca> blueman, micahg ?
[22:25] <micahg> yep
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Let's file it then
[22:25] <GridCube> !info blueman
[22:25] <charlie-tca> !info blueman oneiric
[22:26] <GridCube> there is another one
[22:26] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: (no no, the bug is about a missing dep: gnome-control-center isn't installed and can't be found)
[22:26] <GridCube> !info bluez oneiric
[22:26] <micahg> there's a new branch in experimental, but I wouldn't want to tinker with this for beta 1
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Well, beat me with a wet trout.
[22:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : if blueman will let us use bluetooth with out the gnome stuff, let's go that way
[22:27] <mr_pouit> GridCube: bluez doesn't provide any graphical interface I think
[22:27] <charlie-tca> We can fix it after beta1, right?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> I can release note it for this beta1
[22:28] <GridCube> i support the idea of blueman, so no gnome-control-center is needed
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Let's not forget to do this. Do we need bugs filed for it?
[22:29] <micahg> ah, it's about to go to unstable
[22:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes, we'll need an FFe
[22:30] <GridCube> i guess the original one still stand
[22:30] <charlie-tca> for the dh_python thing?
[22:30] <micahg> well, I'll file that later, no, I meant for the switch to bluean
[22:30] <micahg> *blueman
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will file one then
[22:30] <mr_pouit> I'd say: one against xubuntu-meta (for the seeds' change, so FFe), and one against xubuntu-default-settings (might be necessary to ship custom settings for xubuntu)
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Want me to file two of them, then?
[22:31] <charlie-tca> or file one for blueman, and ask about the other one/
[22:31] <charlie-tca> ?
[22:32] <mr_pouit> we'll need one against xubuntu-meta to get the FFe (the second one for the default settings can come later)
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Okay.
[22:32] <micahg> the downside is no indicator integration, but I guess it's useless anyways if other parts are broke
[22:32] <mr_pouit> (but anyway, as you've said, let's not target that for the beta)
[22:33] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds
[22:33] <meetingology> ACTION: charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds
[22:33] <charlie-tca> right, I would think getting bluetooth usable is important
[22:33] <micahg> I'll work on the FFe for the new version of blueman
[22:33] <micahg> unless mr_pouit would like to handle it
[22:34] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg or mr_pouit to do FFe for blueman
[22:34] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to do FFe for blueman
[22:34] <micahg> and no rdepends, so we can own it :)
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Great!
[22:34] <micahg> or pwn it :)
[22:34] <charlie-tca> sounds right to me
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Anything else ?
[22:35] <charlie-tca> moving on,
[22:35] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:35] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:35]  * micahg guesses gilir might follow us on this one too :)
[22:35] <charlie-tca> pleia2: here?
[22:35] <mr_pouit> micahg: if there's some dh-python in it, I'm happy to let you do it ;-)
[22:35] <micahg> mr_pouit: heh, I haven't done an actual conversion yet, currently it's still using python-central
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I would think gilir will, since they don't want gnome everything either
[22:35] <pleia2> charlie-tca: ticket was submitted to canonical for review of the theme and plugin, but no word back yet
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Yeah, got to give them a while, I guess
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Anybody want to take on Marketing yet?
[22:36] <pleia2> once that's done we'll have a staging site which the team can review before we launch
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I suppose I have to revive that again
[22:36] <GridCube> o/
[22:36] <charlie-tca> GridCube: you want to take Marketing?
[22:36] <GridCube> the top 10 will go to the new website?
[22:36] <GridCube> XD no
[22:37] <pleia2> GridCube: that's the plan :)
[22:37] <GridCube> I was following the rules
[22:37] <charlie-tca> yes, the top 10 will go to the new website
[22:37]  * charlie-tca got my hopes up
[22:37] <GridCube> I don't know what the marketing is
[22:37] <GridCube> but i can try
[22:38]  * GridCube has only taken administration clasess, not the marketing ones :(
[22:38] <charlie-tca> It's pretty big. getting out some blogs, news articles, keep Xubuntu in the news as much as possible, twitter or facebook if you have it, etc
[22:38] <GridCube> mmm
[22:38] <charlie-tca> generally, let people know we are alive and still going :)
[22:39] <madnick> I can wear an Xubuntu shirt ;)
[22:39] <GridCube> I do work whit free internet access and a lot of free time, but i don't really know, If you want i will try
[22:39] <GridCube> (also i do promote xubuntu all the time)
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Great! I will get with you and see what we can do, then
[22:39] <GridCube> ..
[22:39] <GridCube> no problem
[22:40] <madnick> o/
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Anything else for website or marketing?
[22:40] <charlie-tca> go ahead, madnick
[22:40] <madnick> There should be an "xubuntu store"
[22:40] <madnick> Like the Ubuntu store
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that may be "way way" down the road
[22:40] <madnick> oh okay
[22:41] <madnick> ..
[22:41] <charlie-tca> It would be nice just to get Xubuntu cd's in the store, though
[22:42] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:42] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:42] <charlie-tca> ochosi: you here today?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> madnick: you got any updates here?
[22:43] <GridCube> o/ (little off-topic)
[22:43] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[22:44] <madnick> well
[22:44] <madnick> ill wait :)
[22:44] <GridCube> I've read in the logs that ubuntu-studio asked madnick help on making their own greeter, I know this isn't exactly xubuntu bussiness but i would like to know how that was going :P
[22:45] <charlie-tca> madnick: ?
[22:45] <madnick> Well, on that, I have not had much time this week to work on the greeter, but I will start tomorrow to really get back on that
[22:45] <astraljava> We just briefly discussed about the way the greeter was made, that's all.
[22:45] <madnick> On the ubuntu-studio thing
[22:45] <madnick> yes
[22:46] <madnick> ..
[22:46] <GridCube> oh okay just wanted to know (..)
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Thanks for the update. Any help you can give studio will be greatly appreciated, too.
[22:47]  * charlie-tca knows we are asking a lot, with the greeter thing.
[22:47] <astraljava> Yes, very much so. (..)
[22:48] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:48] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:48] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-09-05 at 19:00 UTC
[22:48] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[22:48] <charlie-tca>   * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta1 Freeze
[22:48] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Beta1: September 1
[22:48] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[22:48] <charlie-tca>  * We need to update the Team Reports this week.
[22:48] <charlie-tca> oh, I forgot again
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Team Reports. We need to try and stay on top of them
[22:49] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:49] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:49] <GridCube> o/
[22:49] <pleia2> Sorry if I missed it (working during this meeting, silly hurricane), do we have Beta announcement notes for the site?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Beta1 this next week. Let's try and get a good news writeup. It is going to happen, for sure.
[22:50] <pleia2> thanks charlie-tca
[22:50] <charlie-tca> not yet
[22:50] <charlie-tca> GridCube: your turn
[22:50] <pleia2> just give me a nudge this week when we've got them
[22:50] <GridCube> I have the top 10 done pretty much
[22:50] <charlie-tca> Sure will
[22:50] <charlie-tca> When it is ready, just give pleia2 the URL
[22:51] <GridCube> i've made a shorturl http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/2e/31/0000312e.jpeg
[22:51] <GridCube> no not that one
[22:51] <charlie-tca> or give it now, and maybe she will be kind enough to look it over and see if we need to change anything
[22:51] <pleia2> I am on the top 10 google doc
[22:51] <GridCube> http://alturl.com/qq8o4
[22:51] <GridCube> there
[22:51] <pleia2> GridCube: cactus! :)
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Thanks!
[22:51] <GridCube> XD yes huge cactus
[22:52] <charlie-tca> any thing to be discussed?
[22:52] <charlie-tca> pleia2: can you take a look when you get a chance?
[22:52] <GridCube> number 10 question needs a lot of work tho
[22:52] <pleia2> charlie-tca: will do
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Thank you.
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Let's go back to work then.
[22:53] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[22:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Aug 28 22:53:17 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[22:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-28-22.01.moin.txt
[22:53] <GridCube> :D
[22:53] <GridCube> good evening to all
[22:53] <GridCube> and thank you for making xubuntu
[22:53] <GridCube> :D
[22:53] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I have tried every way I know to reproduce the missing menus, and just don't seem to be able to
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Thank all of you for participating in this meeting.
[22:54] <GridCube> :D
[22:54] <Olbi> :)
[22:54] <mr_pouit> :)
[22:55] <astraljava> What is this? A smiley contest?
[22:55] <GridCube> :3
[22:55] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: thanks, sorry for your time asted, I'll try tomorrow and see what I come up with
[22:55] <mr_pouit> *wasted
[22:55] <micahg> ☺
[22:55] <GridCube> (>^_^)>
[22:55] <charlie-tca> No problem. I just really wanted to get that tested
[22:56] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:56] <Olbi> I've heard that networkmanager is crap, is i true? some ppl change for another programs, like wicd or conman :]
[22:56] <charlie-tca> no, not true
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Some people don't like it, and it didn't work so good in some previous releases.
[22:57] <charlie-tca> It works very good now, though
[22:57] <Olbi> some ppl said, that on KDE were problems :]
[22:57] <mr_pouit> (almost 1am here, so good night)
[22:57] <Olbi> ok, go sleep too :]
[22:57] <Olbi> have a nice night :D
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Thank you, mr_pouit. Good night
[22:58] <micahg> night mr_pouit
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Olbi: KDE uses a modified version of network manager, called knetwork-manager
[22:59] <charlie-tca> That might be having problems. We use the same version as Ubuntu, and it really is pretty good now.
[23:00] <GridCube> i have never had problems whit it
[23:00] <GridCube> but then again i just plug and internet
[23:00] <charlie-tca> We had a lot of issues back in 2008 and 2009 with it, but it has been re-written and works quite good now.
[23:02] <GridCube> bug 831488
[23:02] <GridCube> ive changed its name
[23:02] <GridCube> XD
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Okay
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Good thing you brought it up. I really thought it was done
[23:03] <GridCube> :)
[23:04] <GridCube> my job is to bugger off people about tiny things XD
[23:04] <charlie-tca> That could be a big thing, for those who need bluetooth to work
[23:05] <GridCube> yes, i though exactly the same thing
[23:05]  * astraljava 's job is to listen to people who step into his office while whining "Oohhhh noooo.... it's not working..."
[23:05] <charlie-tca> I don't have anything bluetooth here.
[23:05] <micahg> FFe for new version of blueman filed bug #836324
[23:05] <charlie-tca> I used to do that stuff
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg
[23:06] <astraljava> But then I have to fix it also.
[23:09] <GridCube> what does FFe stands for?
[23:09] <astraljava> Feature Freeze exception


[01:58] <keithzg-M> tomreyn: Riot.im works well for that too (you can see joins and parts)
[02:30] <Fuze> Installing kubuntu 18 and want to use Btrfs. Do  SWAP, /home and / partitions make sense?
[02:32] <OerHeks> !partitioning
[02:32] <OerHeks> i think there is a btrfs factoid too
[02:35] <Fuze> OerHeks: I see it mentions logical partitions but no primary partitions
[02:35] <Fuze> i have intermediate knowledge on partitioning just a few things I’m confused about for the manual install
[02:40] <Fuze>  Does kubuntu to have their own partitioning documentation ?
[02:51] <fuze> Just joined back not sure if I missed something
[03:50] <fuze> I see primary are the same as extended partitions. Do I need primary if I’m using EFI? I have primary on my old PC but I think only caus it’s MBR right?
[05:10] <fuze> !partitioning
[06:25] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:26] <lordievader> fuze: If you are using uefi you want to use GPT.
[06:29] <pragomer> hi. running kubuntu 19.04. How can I change the icons of firefox? https://i.imgur.com/FtjIeKw.png  I changed the gtk-icons to "breeze" in system-settings, but this looks like adwaita.. Did I miss something?
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[11:25] <user|20085> hello, I just installed lubuntu 19.04 on my pc and when I boot it the desktop looks like some lines as if it didn't load.  but the cursor does look good
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:31] <user|20085> hello, I just installed lubuntu 19.04 on my pc and when I boot it the desktop looks like some lines as if it didn't load.  but the cursor does look good. My pc is an Intel celeron 3.06GHz and 2GB ram
[11:32] <diogenes_> user|20085, lubuntu? with l or with k?
[11:32] <user|20085> Kubuntu sorry
[11:32] <diogenes_> so the installation went well?
[11:33] <user|20085> yes, it completed successfully without errors
[11:34] <diogenes_> which means it booted file in live session just after the installation was done, you rebooted and it started with the black screen?
[11:34] <user|20085> Yes
[11:35] <user|20085> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/cu8C2ERR6VkafZeXnagQ?signature=904aa58ee4e48a5f14148c90677655df3fbe6d6cc70c1d16945f29a16652b49b&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1NjQwNTY1MTh9
[11:36] <diogenes_> well the 2 quick thoughts that come to mind is: 1) either you re-used the previous /home partition or 2) you was connected to the internet while installing and it pulled out some updated that your hardware didn't like.
[11:37] <user|20085> So I have to reinstall it without downloading updates?
[11:37] <lordievader> What gpu do you have?
[11:38] <user|20085> Intel celeron 3.06GHz
[11:38] <diogenes_> did you use the separate /home partition that you have used previously?
[11:38] <lordievader> And did you overwrote a previous install, like diogenes_ suggests?
[11:38] <lordievader> user|20085: Could your pastebin the output of `lspci -k|grep VGA`?
[11:39] <user|20085> Yes, previously had ubuntu installed
[11:39] <diogenes_> bingo!
[11:39] <diogenes_> now what you have to do is to create a new user and you should be fine.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> don't forget nomodeset, it couid help
[11:41] <lordievader> Or move/rename ~/.config.
[11:41] <user|20085> but before installation I told him to partition it as ext4
[11:41] <lordievader> `nomodeset` is a bit of a last resort when booting gives absolutely no output. This is not the case for user|20085
[11:41] <diogenes_> ^^^
[11:42] <lordievader> user|20085: Actually format, or 'use as'?
[11:42] <user|20085> ext4 format
[11:47] <BluesKaj> wth??
[11:47] <lordievader> ?
[11:47] <user|3984> Hi, I'm sorry, I'm the one you were helping with the black screen, I had a problem with my connection
[11:48] <lordievader> user|3984: Try creating a new user and see if the issue persists for that new user.
[11:49] <user|3984> I just started in live mode and the same thing happens to me too, there are streaks on the screen
[11:49] <lordievader> Could your pastebin the output of `lspci -k|grep VGA`?
[11:50] <user|3984> I don't believe, I can't use the terminal
[11:51] <BluesKaj> I've used separate /home partitions in the past with new installs and no issues as long as one sets the mountpoint for /home during the partioning phase and install to /
[11:52] <lordievader> user|3984: You can't switch to a tty? (ctrl + alt + f1)
[11:53] <user|3984> Yes
[11:54] <BluesKaj> think f1 is reserved , try f2-f6
[11:54] <lordievader> If you have an internet connection you can pipe to termbin (`<command> | nc termbin.com 9999`) and get a pastebin link.
[11:54] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Depends on the configuration.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> everything depends on configuration :-)
[11:55] <lordievader> There are some conventions on which to use for what. But ultimately it is left to the distro/sysadmin/user.
[11:56] <BluesKaj> not difficult to try f2
[11:57] <user|3984> ok i already have a terminal
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[12:02] <user|3984> when using the lspci command I think vga I get: VGA compatible controller: Nvidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX / MX 400] (rev b2)
[12:04] <BluesKaj> user|3984, did update and upgrade?
[12:05] <user|3984> Yes
[12:05] <BluesKaj> and?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> any changes?
[12:05] <user|3984> nothing in them
[12:07] <user|3984> Could it be that my graph does not support kde?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> it does, the default open source driver is nouveau, unless you already had your previous OS configured with a closed source nvidia driver
[12:13] <user|3984> well then problem solved, thank you all for the help
[12:15] <lordievader> Erm, what?
[12:15] <lordievader> How does this solve anything?
[12:16] <lordievader> Oh well, not my problem 😋
[12:16] <BluesKaj> yeah
[12:17] <BluesKaj> they''ll come back :-)
[13:54] <pragomer> I have selected breeze everywhere for gtk-apps: https://i.imgur.com/jIhKiKY.png   But firefox still shows these ugly bookmarks-folder-icons: https://i.imgur.com/NQluYu1.png
[13:54] <pragomer> any tips?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> pragomer, check your icon themes there
[14:02] <RikMills> IIRC, they are part of the Firefox linux theming, so not changed by the system gtk theme
[14:16] <pragomer> oh, ok. So I cannot something about this?
[14:24] <RikMills> not if you quit the channel
[14:42] <MaroonedAnchor> RikMills: lol
[17:39] <fuze> Does kubuntu ask for primary or logical partition even when installing in efi mode?
[17:40] <OerHeks> no, EFI mode can only be done on GPT, not MBR
[17:40] <OerHeks> if you have mbr, change it to gpt
[17:42] <OerHeks> kubuntu might take just 1 partition, incl swapfile
[17:46] <fuze> How do I change to gpt? I selected gpt only in rufus
[17:47] <fuze> I already installed windows 10
[17:48] <OerHeks> then, i guess, if you have mbr on that windows 10 machine, it is not installed in UEFI mode
[17:48] <OerHeks> if you do have gpt, why do you ask anyway?
[17:50] <fuze> Actually looks like I installed windows in mbr mode
[17:51] <fuze> Figured it would default to EFI, I’ll just reinstall
[17:51] <fuze> So do I have to do something in the bios to make it GPT?
[19:27] <fuze> OerHeks: to duel boot linux and windows do I install the grub boot loader on the first partition windows created? It’s ntfs
[19:36] <fuze> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zQ6kY4po/1564083391.JPG
[21:31] <tomreyn> fuze: if you're uefi booting then all boot loaders must go onto the first "efi system partition (esp)" your mainboard firmware detects when it scans the attached storages after power cycling / on.
[21:33] <tomreyn> be aware of bug 1396379 though
[22:19] <valorie> !info krita