[03:32] <ducasse> g'morning, all
[03:58] <Bashing-om> Potent stuff !
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:54] <Bashing-om> The lotus is here .. we are in good hands :)
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> yayy
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> 70mb security updates
[05:57] <Bashing-om> msg ubottu !info linux-image-generic artful
[06:00] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse good morning :p
[06:00] <ducasse> i've been here since 4:30 cet :)
[06:01] <ducasse> glad to see more familiar virtual faces :)
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> load lotuspsychje virtualbox-ose
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> ....booting lotuspsychje
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Your favorite Os is now operative
[06:03] <ducasse> i've been toying with that old imac
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> oh nice ducasse what have it become?
[06:05] <ducasse> turning off insane crap like gui sound feedback, 'natural scrolling', etc
[06:05] <ducasse> now trying to get it to mount nfs, but the damn thing doesn't want to
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> your gonna keep macosX?
[06:06] <ducasse> well, keep a small partition, just to have access to it. use the rest of the disk for something a bit more sane
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:07] <ducasse> wondering if i'm going to bother stripping the damn thing down to put in an ssd...
[06:07] <ducasse> it needs to be taken totally apart for that
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah mac is a pain to unscrew
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> and is that already sata hd inside?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> or still ide?
[06:10] <ducasse> oh god, i hope it's sata - didn't think of that :) got docs, can check later.
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> more ram & linux are your best hopes i think
[06:11] <ducasse> it can only take 1gb more
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> oh i sold that macbook myself 200 euro
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> on the flee market
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> 1gb more is nice no?
[06:13] <ducasse> 1gb more would make it a total of 3, which is enough for my needs
[06:14] <ducasse> this machine is sort of perfect because of the 20" screen, just the right size for displaying monitoring stuff in a corner
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> is that colored cube imac?
[06:16] <ducasse> no, white. just a screen on a stand.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> might be lucky with sata afterall then
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> doublecheck that :p
[06:18] <ducasse> https://photos.app.goo.gl/63ZB4xwMjAgCMeMw2
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> neat
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> check sys specs app ducasse it might say wich hd
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> normally its got all info there, like mac version and hardware
[06:20] <ducasse> i know, i just haven't been interested enough yet :)
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> sold one of those with a thin red line in screen for 100 euro once
[06:25] <ducasse> today i'm thinking of trying syncthing, to keep shell config etc the same across all machines
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> you have a nas at home ducasse ?
[06:28] <ducasse> self-buildt file server, at least
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:30] <ducasse> everything is on zfs, important stuff on mirrors, unimportantt stuff on single drives until i can afford mirroring them
[06:31] <alkisg> Good morning everyone
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg morning mate :p
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: what kind of stuff are you mirroring?
[06:32] <ducasse> hi alkisg - wb :)
[06:32] <alkisg> Hmm, kernel update, will need to reboot today :P
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah 70mb security updates
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> prob that nex xenial stack
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> new
[06:32] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: just personal files, stuff i've built up over the years etc. lots of weirdness there :)
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ftp/allsorts i love those hehe
[06:34] <ducasse> i'm a packrat, i keep everything i might need at some point
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> same here
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> alot of usefull tools on hd
[06:46] <ducasse> got a ton of rescue disk images, os images for nextstep/openstep, solaris etc - as if i'm ever going to need them, but i don't have the heart to throw them away :)
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the IT mans dream, mirrors full of toolz
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> you got public stuff somewhere, or just local?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> im real nosy lol
[06:56] <ducasse> i've got a vps that i'm setting up a web server on, maybe with some guides i've written etc, but it's closed to the public yet :)
[06:57] <ducasse> still not sure what's useful enough to put there
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:05] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i've got stuff like old firmware images for hardware that's no longer available, but they might be useful to some. been thinking of requesting permission to make them available, for free of course
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:07] <ducasse> guides on how i set up my yubikey for things like login+sudo auth, as well as gpg and ssh keys. also a guide on setting up a tpm and using it as a hardware rng source - little things like that
[07:08] <ducasse> might help someone,i guess?
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> if they find it online, sure
[07:13] <ducasse> that is of course the problem, but at least if someone asks me i can just give them an url :)
[07:14] <ducasse> finding things is a nightmare when you don't know how/where to look
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> breakfast bbl
[08:10] <ducasse> eat well, lotuspsychje
[09:52] <ducasse> heading out, bbl
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:37] <immu> howdy
[11:39] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[11:40] <immu> whats up
[11:42] <BluesKaj> morning coffee here
[11:57] <immu> had afternoon lunch
[11:57] <immu> feeling sleepy :)
[12:04] <immu> how is ducasse
[13:18] <ducasse> hi guys, just back
[13:19] <ducasse> BluesKaj: the audio cards you asked about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creamware_(software_company)#Products
[13:20] <ducasse> they made some fantastic quality stuff, but it was expensive
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse well, quality parts cost \
[13:27] <ducasse> yep. i bought one of their dsp cards and some of their software modules that ran on them - cool as <expletive deleted>
[13:28] <BluesKaj> ducasse, how's things?
[13:28] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[13:31] <ducasse> hi EriC^^
[13:31] <EriC^^> how are you doing?
[13:31] <ducasse> BluesKaj: pretty good, can't complain :)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ducasse, glad to hear that :-)
[13:32] <BluesKaj>  reinstalled the m-audio 192 card and am forced to use pulseaudio becuase flash audio on websites needs it , but now my source switching is nicel and simple.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> can't wait til HTML5 is totally adopted and can rid myself of pulse
[13:34] <ducasse> BluesKaj: got through to a good doctor who actually read my journal, and he couldn't understand why the others had refused me pain meds
[13:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, like my wife who suffered from migraines for yrs due to underactive thyroid, useless doctor who didn't keep up to date on old and known developments in migraine causes and treatment. A new Doctot diagnosed her problem immediately on her first visit and no more migraines after that.
[13:41] <ducasse> she must be grateful; my mother suffers migraines, and they can be pretty horrible things
[13:41] <BluesKaj> sure are
[13:42] <ducasse> i've just killed off flash here. might miss some content, but most likely nothing i can't make do without
[13:42] <BluesKaj> did you purge it?
[13:45] <ducasse> most likely, my apt config automatically purges everything when it's removed
[13:48] <immu> hi EriC^^ hi ducasse
[13:48] <immu> ducasse, are sound cards still a thing
[13:48] <ducasse> immu: of course, especially for pro audio
[13:49] <ducasse> (which is what we're talking about)
[13:49] <immu> do they work on linux and are USB based
[13:51] <ducasse> depends. some do, some don't, and some are and others are pci
[13:53] <BluesKaj> pcis are the preferred due to driver availability for starters
[13:54] <immu> okie
[13:55] <immu> the only soundcard i heard from was creative's sound blaster
[13:55] <daftykins> they're pretty old school now :)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> most consumer sound cards have linux drivers available nowadays
[13:58] <ducasse> daftykins: and not really anything i would want to be known to have bought
[14:07] <immu> cool i can run linux commands in Windows powershell
[14:16] <immu> i have heard less about creative based sound cards ? ????
[14:20] <ducasse> 'creative labs'
[14:21] <ducasse> they were really the first ones to make sound cards for pc's, maybe except roland midi stuff
[14:23] <immu> yeah
[14:23] <immu> i don't see any systems like displaying sound powered by Sblive
[14:25] <immu> for a long long time
[14:43] <daftykins> nah everything comes with onboard now
[14:45] <ducasse> plus, they reached the point where there weren't much more you could do with sound cards that gamers care about
[14:48] <daftykins> MOAR RGB!
[14:54] <ducasse> ...and moar channels! 360.1 audio!
[14:59] <daftykins> oh they've already moved onto three places for Dolby Atmos :) my receiver recommends 5.1.2 minimum, but you can do 7.2.2
[15:01] <immu> whats a 7.2.2
[15:01] <immu> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/future-3d-graphics,2560-2.html
[15:05] <ducasse> daftykins: i never cared about that stuff. i spent a fortune on a good _stereo_ system, and only bought something halfway-insanely priced for the home cinema setup :)
[15:06] <daftykins> D:
[15:06] <daftykins> immu: 7 surround speakers, 2 subwoofers and two 'height' for 3D audio
[15:06] <immu> oooooooo
[15:06] <immu> u have such a setup daftykins
[15:07] <daftykins> no
[15:07] <daftykins> still 5.1 here
[15:09] <immu> Klipsch ProMedia is recomended
[15:14] <jink> 0.0 here
[15:15] <jink> Well, 0.1 really, but the sub isn't connected.
[15:29] <ducasse> my desktop has a pair of crap speakers, but they're only for playing background music while doing something else. there are also speakers in at least two of my screens, those might be better - never tested.
[15:31] <immu> brb
[15:41] <ducasse> BluesKaj: can i ask what kind of audio software you run on linux?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ducasse, for music , just plain ol' vlc
[15:44] <daftykins> o0 surely that lacks any library function
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I use the music library in dolphin , I hate playlists etc , they always muck up, I keep it simple
[15:47] <daftykins> oh so that's not a library so much as just file browsing
[15:47] <EriC^^> evening all
[15:47] <daftykins> \o
[15:47] <daftykins> back in a bit, off to the shops, dafty's new 4K toys need new HDMI cables, ugh
[15:48] <ducasse> for playing music i used vlc, then smplayer for a long time, then i discovered mpd+ncmpcpp (or gmpc if i need/want a gui client). not going back
[15:48] <ducasse> daftykins: have fun! buy some nice gear :)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> 4k wow, must be nice, my sat provider wants an arm and a leg for 4k service , and there aren't very many sources.
[15:59] <ducasse> with my eyesight it would be pointless to spend money on...
[16:00] <kkremitzki> rhythmbox clients plus minidlna server work pretty nicely for me
[16:06] <ducasse> i've heard good things about rhythmbox, but not tried it myself. my amp can actually play from a dlna source, but i ran into problems with high-bitrate flac tracks...
[16:24] <BluesKaj> I convert flac to wav files., fewer processr stages
[16:26] <BluesKaj> and avoid mp3 as much as possible
[16:56] <kkremitzki> BluesKaj: why do you avoid mp3?
[17:27] <nicomachus> kkremitzki: probably because it's lossy
[17:27] <nicomachus> ducasse: ncmpcpp can't be beat
[17:29] <nicomachus> https://i.imgur.com/aGGoP4M.png
[17:35] <ducasse> nicomachus: yep, it's excellent. been playing with cmus for local playback, but really want ncmpcpp everywhere
[17:36] <nicomachus> I tried configuring it to use mopidy server instead of mpd, so that I could import spotify/soundcloud/youtube tracks, but it just did not work.
[17:37] <nicomachus> I was able to set up my HTPC at home as an audio device though, so I can use ncmpcpp on my laptop to play tracks on my HTPC which outputs to my home stereo.
[18:23] <BluesKaj> kkremitzki, lossy compressed audio isn't my thing, I"m a bit of an audiophile
[18:51] <nicomachus> BluesKaj stores .wav files only
[18:52] <nicomachus> :D
[20:12] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Nap time - back soonest .