[00:38] <rlameiro> evening everyone
[01:09] <ScottL> hi rlameiro  :)  how are you doing?
[01:11] <rlameiro> now I am ok
[01:11] <rlameiro> finally i finished the course :D
[01:23] <ScottL> rlameiro,  are you a doctor now?
[01:23] <rlameiro> no master
[01:23] <ScottL> :)
[01:23] <ScottL> that's still awefully cool :D  congrats!
[01:23] <rlameiro> i hope no one call me doctor...
[01:23] <rlameiro> thanks
[03:47] <raonyguimaraes> Hello There!
[03:49] <raonyguimaraes> I just would l to say that I'm another Ubuntu Studio user that loves music and can't live with this OS anymore ... I'm a developer and I heard that they are needing people for the development team so i would like to know how I can help on this ?
[03:49] <ailo> ScottL:?
[03:50] <holstein> raonyguimaraes: hey :)
[03:51] <holstein> raonyguimaraes: /j #ubuntustudio-devel
[03:51] <raonyguimaraes> thank you !
[14:44] <lwizardl> what application would be good for making video introductions on ubuntu ?
[15:13] <holstein> hey lwizardl
[15:13] <holstein> what are you looking to make?
[15:13] <holstein> screencast?
[15:14] <lwizardl> video I will upload to youtube
[15:14] <lwizardl> I want put fade in text, then logo, then fade out
[15:15] <holstein> lwizardl: let me get you a couple options
[15:16] <holstein> http://www.pitivi.org/
[15:16] <holstein> http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[15:17] <holstein> lwizardl: actually
[15:17] <holstein> http://techcityinc.com/2009/02/04/top-10-free-video-editors-for-ubuntu-linux/
[15:17] <holstein> that looks like a nice review article
[15:18] <lwizardl> ah ha
[15:18] <holstein> there also an online editor
[15:18] <holstein> http://jaycut.com/
[15:18] <holstein> i made an account and looked in there
[15:18] <lwizardl> Jahshaka the screen shown is kinda like what i want to do
[15:18] <holstein> but i dont do video
[15:18] <holstein> lwizardl: there are some video folk though
[15:18] <holstein> mostly on the mailing list
[15:18] <lwizardl> well I just want to add a disclaimer to a video I'm going to be uploading to youtube
[15:19] <holstein> there used to be some editor at youtube
[15:19] <holstein> simple one
[15:20] <holstein> i think kino, pitivi and jahshaka are the usual ones
[15:20]  * holstein breakfast... BBL
[17:25] <eviljames> So, I tried ubuntu studio alternate disc, to install onto my lvm
[17:26] <eviljames> however, every boot I die and get dropped to a busybox prompt for the initramfs
[17:26] <holstein> eviljames: o/
[17:26] <eviljames> hello holstein
[17:27] <eviljames> Know anything about helping a grizzly ol' slacker put a shiny new ubuntu on his lvm?
[17:27] <eviljames> :P
[17:28] <holstein> i would say give this a read http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-over-lvm-filesystem
[17:29] <eviljames> woo!
[17:29] <eviljames> googling ubuntu lvm , ubuntu md lvm, ubuntu dm lvm , ubuntu lvm initramfs .. etc etc
[17:29] <eviljames> all go0t me to the same places... nowhere! :D
[17:35] <eviljames> holstein: Do you work on u-studio ?
[17:36] <holstein> nothing too improtant
[17:36] <holstein> important*
[17:36] <holstein> but yeah
[17:36] <holstein> i try
[17:39] <eviljames> hrm
[17:40] <eviljames> That link, not quite what I'm looking for.
[17:40] <eviljames> I fudged and fiddled around with u studio and it actually did install on my lvm
[17:40] <eviljames> but it's the initramfs that doesn't seem to work for me :/
[17:42] <ailo> eviljames: Dual boot?
[17:42] <eviljames> ailo: It'll end up being several-boot :P
[17:43] <holstein> no reason to dual boot ubuntu, and ubntustudio
[17:43] <holstein> of the same release
[17:43] <eviljames> heh, no..
[17:43] <holstein> OK
[17:43] <ailo> So, which system has the grub installed?
[17:43] <eviljames> I have slackawre32-current on a LV, slackware64-current will go on a different LV
[17:43] <eviljames> ubuntu studio on a 3rd, maybe arch or gentoo on a 4th.. etc. etc..
[17:44] <eviljames> oh, and I'm using lilo thus far...
[17:44] <ailo> So, I would guess you need to adjust the boot parameters for Ubuntustudio
[17:45] <ailo> Don't know how, or what to add, but that would be my first guess, anyway
[17:46] <ailo> Which is done in Lilo's boot configure file. Don't know anything about Lilo, though.
[17:56] <eviljames> sec -
[17:59] <ailo> eviljames: could be you need to add a line, initrd=<path to an image>.
[18:00] <eviljames> Past that, heh
[18:00] <ailo> ok
[18:00] <eviljames> I use a separate, ext2 /boot
[18:01] <ailo> So, you've looked up how to set up lilo to boot Ubuntu?
[18:01] <eviljames> for me, it's like this: sda1 = ext2 (2GB), sda2 = swap(2GB), sda3 = linux_raid_autodetect (70GB), sdb1 = 2GB partition, unformatted, sdb2 = 2GB partition, unformatted, sdb3 = linux_raid_autodetect (70GB)
[18:02] <eviljames> Well, it works, but it doesn't.
[18:02] <eviljames> I have the kernel, and initrd set (I think) correctly in lilo
[18:11] <ailo> My bet is on configuring lilo, anyway. I don't think the partitioning of the disk should matter at such an early stage of booting. As long as Lilo can read the initrd image.
[18:12] <eviljames> Sure, but the initrd image is what fails.
[18:13] <eviljames> lilo points to the correct kernel, initrd.  Booting happens
[18:14] <eviljames> Eventually, I get dropped to the initramfs prompt, then I can modprobe dm_mod ; vgscan (to find the LVs); vgchange -ay (makes them accessible) and mount /dev/chimeravg/ustudioroot /root
[18:15] <ailo> ok. Sorry, I misread earlier.
[18:15] <eviljames> no worries
[18:15] <eviljames> At least you haven't sent me to man pages like I was some kinda noob! :D
[18:16] <eviljames> Though... if there was a good man page for mkinitramfs - one that got into the nitty gritty of how dm-raid was supposed to work
[18:16] <eviljames> or, rather, md raid
[18:16] <eviljames> whatever the moving target is today...
[18:19] <ailo> Well, can't say I have too much experience from dual booting. I did dual boot Ubuntu and LFS at one point
[18:21] <ailo> And to do that, just needed to set the right parameters in the grub's configuration
[18:23] <eviljames> heh, this is a little more complicated than that ;)
[18:24] <ailo> Well, maybe.
[18:25] <eviljames> it's the lvm root that makes this such a pain in the ass
[18:25] <eviljames> and I think it's not even that, but the raid0 that lies underneath the lvm
[18:26] <ailo> So, it's a raid issue? But slackware is not affected?
[18:26] <eviljames> As I mention above, I have to modprobe to get the raid array to assemble, then vgscan/vgchange work as expected
[18:26] <eviljames> Slackware works fine - I'm using it atm.
[18:26] <eviljames> Linux chimera <IP_ADDRESS>.2-rt30-smp #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Jan 9 11:50:29 PST 2011 i686 Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU      E5200  @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[18:26] <eviljames> :P
[20:14] <eviljames> hrmrhmrhm


[21:27] <jphilipz> not sure where to ask this, but i checked the marketing wiki and didnt see anything about social media marketing
[22:25] <jphilipz> if possible, i'd like to lend a hand at running the twitter account and help engage more with the community and increase the followers


[23:59] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: kde4 also?
[23:59] <tkstka> BluesKaj I'm probably doing something wrong but I cant seem to find source icon anywhere :c


 Hello everyone! I'm new at Kubuntu
 Well, I still don't install it, but I'm downloading the iso, lol
 @darltrash, 👍 lots of fun in Ubuntu and Kubuntu.
[01:51] <ueslei> how do I see the character map in kde? i'm using a laptop and some characters seems out of layot
 My pc freezes when I try kubuntu
 Is it normal that the boot is so slow?
 Slow live booting from USB? Typical for older (legacy) systems.
 If UEFI is an option, turn it on...
 Or if your BIOS gives you the choice, boot the UEFI USB option
 I fixed it! And it works like a charm...
[05:31] <poibr01> Anyone know what happened to KMail?
[05:31] <poibr01> Where did it go?
[05:37] <Stebuntu> Hello world
[06:37] <dama> Heyy
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
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[08:50] <dama> Hey there
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:08] <shoggomo-M> Hi I'm on 18.04. Is it possible to run a RDP server in this or a newer version?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> shoggomo-M, yes
[13:11] <BluesKaj> !rdp
[13:12] <BluesKaj> !info rdp
[13:12] <BluesKaj> hmm no bot info on rdp
[13:12] <oerheks> vnc, xrdp, screen over ssh
[13:12] <oerheks> tons of options
[13:13] <BluesKaj> yeah, xrdp
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[13:13] <shoggomo-M> xrdp didn't work with my version. Maybe because it runs on wayland
[13:13] <oerheks> * not on a wayland session, work in progress
[13:14] <shoggomo-M> i tried vnc, but it's just so slow :(
[13:14] <oerheks> 18.04 has some sharing build in, no?
[13:14] <shoggomo-M> ok, so I guess the best solution is to use xorg?
[13:15] <shoggomo-M> Didn't see one. Krfb only uses vnc, it came with earlier versions I think.
[13:16] <oerheks> this guide says vino first https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/sharing-desktop.html.en
[13:18] <shoggomo-M> Yeah, that's a vnc server for gnome. There's krfb for kde. But it's just vnc. I was specifically interested in an rdp server.
[13:21] <trakinas> Hi! can anyone give me some help with MariaDB?
[13:39] <trakinas> I can't add comments larger than 60 characters, although their documentation says it is possible to add comments up to 1024.
[16:19] <mtiernan> /join ##genealogy
[16:19] <mtiernan> /join ##jabber
[16:21] <oerheks> interesting..
[16:21] <mtiernan> GRRRRRRRRRR.....
[16:21] <mtiernan> SOrry about that folks!
[16:29] <BluesKaj> mtiernan, best to use the server textbox for joins if using a gui irc client
[17:12] <user|22321> how to make a network dough
[18:00] <azx> I keep getting my default audio output automatically changed to my HDMI audio output, when in fact i want Line Out and it's set as default
[18:01] <azx> I'll be doing whatever and i get a popup from kde telling me default audio device has been automatically changed
[18:01] <azx> about every 20 mins
[18:01] <azx> and i click on "revert back to previous"
[18:01] <azx> how can i make it so that kde doesn't automatically change my audio device output?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> azx, system settings>Hardware>audio>advanced>profile dropdown ...is there an analog option there. If not, unplug any hdmi connection if you aren't using it, otherwise it becomes default
[19:54] <t00tie> hi


[20:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - time to push 21:00 UTC.
[21:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[21:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum posting completed - update sections abridged for excessive content. Doing the re-directs next.
[21:26] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending now is release to the Social Medias :D


[05:03] <Kilos> bbrrrrrr
[05:03] <Kilos> mmm mmm  mma  morning all
[05:21] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:22] <Kilos> hi bduk
[05:22] <Kilos> sjoe ek kry koud man
[05:22] <bduk> Hoe gaan dit jou kant Kilos ? Neeman lekker vanmore
[05:23] <Kilos> man al die water buite is geys
[05:23] <Kilos> ge ys
[05:23] <Kilos> ek nie n pikkewyn nie
[05:24] <bduk> So??
[06:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:08] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> how's the cotton production going Kilos?
[06:11] <Kilos> havent looked yet ThatGraemeGuy just updating/upgrading
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[06:12] <Kilos> mirror very slow today 655 B/s at times
[06:13] <Kilos> medthinks it must be a bit broken
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> try another one
[06:14] <nuvolari> o/ mornings everyone
[06:14] <Kilos> ya i will but i looked at what was in partial in archives and using synaptic to reinstall them all and too much work to set that up again
[06:14] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos:  http://askubuntu.com/a/9035
[06:15] <Kilos> cool ty will save that info, will need it when i install server
[06:16] <Kilos> one cant change it midstream of getting stuff methinks
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can change mirrors whenever you want
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> well not if you mean you are actively downloading, no
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need to change mirrors and then apt-get update
[06:17] <Kilos> ya but then you gotta apt-get update and what synaptic is busy with will surely be interfered with?
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> you won't be able to update if you're busy
[06:18] <Kilos> ah
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> synaptic is just a pretty front-end for apt anyway
[06:18] <Kilos> yes but nice to use to reinstall different things at once
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> and if any apt tool is busy it creates a lock so that no other apt tools can do anything until its done
[06:20] <Kilos> but our mirror very sick 226B/s now
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> then stop what you're doing and change to use the way they do it in that link i posted
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> its supposed to select the fastest mirror
[06:22] <Kilos> ya but synaptic is busy and the partials are different files some gvfs some gnome som gir etc
[06:23] <Kilos> so ill let it finish then do the fastest mirror bit
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then sit and wait all day for it to finish at speeds dial-up users would be frustrated with :)
[06:23] <Kilos> lol man i can talk to you fine still
[06:23] <Kilos> rest of pc is still going
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> talking to me doesn't help your updates complete any faster ;-p
[06:24] <Kilos> ya but takes my mind off the frustration
[06:24] <Kilos> hehe
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so does cotton farming :)
[06:24] <Kilos> oh ya i can go see cotton so long
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i decided i'm going to develop my house a bit more and use my basement as central station for a network of underground tunnels
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> first one will link up underneath the pyramid
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> will get started sometime
[06:26] <Kilos> cool but mark them
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'll have signs
[06:26] <Kilos> i was thinking of doing similar with the roads that are up in the sky at places
[06:26] <Kilos> tunnel them through mountains
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've fallen off sky roads more than once
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i tend to run along the ground and just use the road for guidance
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> also the web map has helped a lot, i don't get lost that easily anymore
[06:28] <Kilos> something funny here. the is a mine near my cotton and i built it closed last night ,and its open again
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe someone is still using it and re-opened it
[06:29] <Kilos> read the source, are they fixtures you cant change
[06:29] <Kilos> haha
[06:29] <Kilos> ya but who
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> fixtures you cant change? what do you mean?
[06:30] <Kilos> i mean is it something written in that that hole must be there
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[06:31] <Kilos> oh and when you look at source again please look at sheep in relation to lifespan
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> i had that happen a while ago, i had mined out a nice stairway and when i came back the next day it was gone, and mese i had already mined re-appeared
[06:31] <Kilos> eish
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do you mean lifespan? they don't die as far as i know
[06:31] <Kilos> ya they just disappear
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> or maybe they do i haven't noticed
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't really pay attention to them, they're worthless to me
[06:32] <Kilos> we been catching them inna pen and they dont stay there
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't have that mod anyway, can't look at the code
[06:32] <Kilos> with cotton they less use to me too
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a different one with cows and chickens and other animals
[06:33] <Kilos> wow
[06:33] <Kilos> so what is important now
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do you mean?
[06:38] <Kilos> sorry was afk
[06:38] <Kilos> i mean getting a fast local host going hehe
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe sometime
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> the world we have now is nicely developed already though
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> thought of getting a server but its R900/month, too rich for my budget
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> we don't get any perks on that stuff, only on shared hosting
[06:41] <Kilos> im thinking about what we spoke about other day
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> remind me?
[06:41] <Kilos> lets say i have a dual core 3g pc with 2g ram and install server and minetest
[06:42] <Kilos> and connect it to an adsl line
[06:42] <Kilos> and just give ip addy to certain peeps
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> you mean the adsl line you can't get where you live? :P
[06:42] <Kilos> that should be very fast shouldnt it
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea
[06:43] <Kilos> man lets say i send you the pc to put on your adsl line
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can try and run it on my pc at home, but that's got an atom CPU, not sure how well it would work
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not running some dual core monstrosity permanently, electricity is expensive
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> that'
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's why i have an atom-based pc :)
[06:43] <Kilos> im trying to figure a way to eliminate all the mess that comes with online hosts
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is no mess
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> it just costs money
[06:44] <Kilos> lets say at work in a corner man
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> hosting it at home also costs money in the form of more expensive adsl and more electricity usage
[06:44] <Kilos> forget the where and see if its practical
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> you cannot forget the where
[06:45] <Kilos> we can ask zuma to plug it in at nkanla i think its called
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> who's paying for the electricity and bandwidth?
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah do that
[06:46] <Kilos> cotton looking good
[06:46] <Kilos> but lots didnt grow
[06:46] <Kilos> will replant
[06:47] <Kilos> what is an attom based pc
[06:47] <Kilos> atom
[06:48] <Kilos> i read somewhere someone set up some pc. maybe it was atom and used R7 electricity in over a month
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: google intel atom
[06:48] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: "Intel® Atom™ Processor" http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-processor.html :: "Intel® Atom™ Processor - ARK" http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035/Intel-Atom-Processor :: "Intel Atom (CPU) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_(CPU) :: "List of Intel Atom microprocessors -
[06:48] <Maaz> Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microproces…
[06:49] <Squirm> morning
[06:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i see web africa has virtual servers starting at R99/month
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll try that, it's not terribly expensive
[06:49] <Kilos> ok
[06:50] <Kilos> im sure a pc dont use R99 electricity a month
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> only 1gb of ram but might be enough even
[06:51] <Kilos> the fly ram a p2 as a server with 256 ram and he said it worked fine
[06:51] <Kilos> but i spose no game on it
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure how memory hungry minetest is though
[06:52] <Kilos> n ow i go let real sheep out
[06:52] <Kilos> wbb
[07:23] <Kilos> oh when them cotton balls get rotten, you can pick very much cotton
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've been meaning to signpost my field "Them old cotton fields back home"
[07:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i ordered a virtual server from web africa
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> R1/month for the first 2 months
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's a 2GB ram allocation, i'll see about limiting minetest server to get an idea if it can run with just 1GB, then i'll downgrade to a 1GB VM after the 2 month promotion is over
[07:29] <Kilos> ok
[07:29] <Kilos> R1 a month for 2 months then Rpp?
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> 299
[07:29] <Kilos> R99
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the 1GB one is R99
[07:29] <Kilos> R299
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think 1GB is ok, but the promotion is only for the 2GB so might as well get it so long
[07:30] <Kilos> ok
[07:34] <Kilos> afrihost the mtn buddies?
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes mtn bought a controlling share of them
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> and their adsl network is built on mtn for the last couple of years
[07:35] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:35] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:35] <psyatw> Kilos, happy belated birthday
[07:35] <psyatw> hi drussell
[07:35] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:36] <Kilos> ty lad
[07:36] <psyatw> I haven't been here much lately, life catching up with me, I guess
[07:36] <Kilos> bad boy
[07:36] <Kilos> meeting tonight
[07:36] <psyatw> hehe
[07:36] <psyatw> I may actually be able to attend then
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo psyatw
[07:44] <Kilos> so ThatGraemeGuy you got wool in the give away bin?
[07:44] <Kilos> bin/bucket/basket/chest
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> my wool is locked away :P
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't decided yet what i'm using it for
[08:02] <Kilos> oi
[08:02] <Kilos> sell to me man
[08:02] <Kilos> ill give gold
[08:02] <Kilos> havent found a use for gold
[08:03] <Kilos> no matter what host or server we use we gotta try keep this game going. dunno if you can copy the database or what
[08:04] <Kilos> too much work and data to start from scratch
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'll have to ping superfly about that
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> its his database
[08:08] <Kilos> he will im sure
[08:14] <Kilos> hmm... ThatGraemeGuy can one drive do 2 jobs? as in run server alongside a working os
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is so much wrong with that question :)
[08:15] <Kilos> oh
[08:15] <Kilos> can you fix it?
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i assume you mean minetest server when you say "server"?
[08:16] <Kilos> not in virtual mode i mean but on its own partition
[08:16] <Kilos> no server server
[08:16] <Kilos> ubuntu srver
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> a server is nothing special, just a machine that's job happens to be running certain things that people can connect to
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> do you mean running a "server" on your existing disk alongside your normal tasks? that's virtualisation
[08:18] <Kilos> whew
[08:19] <Kilos> oh so if i install alongside will it still work as a server even though im in the gui system
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think you are confusing yourself with terminology
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> say you have 1 hard disk
[08:20] <Kilos> or will it wanna choose at boot which one to use
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> you create just 1 partition and install ubuntu. doesn't matter if it's "server" or "desktop" that's not really relevant to anything except your intended use
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> so are you asking if you can have multiple partitions on the disk, each with its own self-contained O/S?
[08:21] <Kilos> yes
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, you can, and when you boot, grub will ask you which one you want to boot
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> and until you reboot, you are only using whichever one you selected
[08:22] <Kilos> if you are in the gui system will the server still be usable as a separate server
[08:22] <Kilos> oh
[08:22] <Kilos> so useless with server on same drive
[08:23] <Kilos> on same machine even no good
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, if you boot the O/S on /dev/sda1 (example), then only that 1 operating system is active
[08:23] <Kilos> sigh
[08:23] <Kilos> ok ty
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you want to run another O/S at the same time then that's what virtualisation is for
[08:23] <Kilos> ya but thats slow
[08:23] <Kilos> so not an option
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> then the "hard disk" for the virtual machine is just a normal file as far as your "main" o/s is concerned
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about
[08:24] <Kilos> what?
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> that its slow
[08:24] <Kilos> i tried virtual box before and it was slow running other systems
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a good amount of RAM and don't allocate too much to your VMs it is fine
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> then you did something weird, virtualisation is not slow in and of itself
[08:25] <Kilos> this too much brain work ill install server on old pc
[08:26] <Kilos> just gotta fight router
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> k
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: my vm is ready just upgrading it to 14.04 before i do anything else
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got my minetest config prepped with some other mods as well, we can see how it goes
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> should have it ready by tonight if you want to try and test speed
[11:43] <Kilos> wow that was quick ThatGraemeGuy
[11:43] <Kilos> let me know ill try it
[11:44] <Kilos> i been cooking and catching some uv's
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> careful, not too many UVs :)
[11:45] <Kilos> tvl uvs are weak this time of the year
[11:46] <Kilos> aw mouse jammed at bottom of screen again forgot to stay by minetest till open
[11:47] <Kilos> esc dont release it so will reboot with cli
[11:53] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[11:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: what happens if you press ESC in the game?
[11:54] <Kilos> it opens the thing to logout and other stuff
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like some other key is stuck, alt/ctrl maybe
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> or windows key
[11:55] <Kilos> but if the game is busy opening and i come to irc then mouse disappears
[11:55] <Kilos> i will try that next time i forget
[11:56] <Kilos> minetest steals the mouse
[11:56] <Kilos> grrr
[11:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> it does for me too, but if i press ESC it pauses, goes to a menu-like screen and releases the mouse
[11:58] <Kilos> wow even if you in another app?
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not sure i follow
[11:58] <Kilos> like hexchat or pidgin
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i start minetest it captures the mouse, but if i press ESC i get it back
[11:59] <Kilos> i have to wait till minetest is open then esc then go to pidgin or hexchat
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[11:59] <Kilos> ya but open minetest and before its logged in then come here
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds right i guess i don't understand the problem then
[12:00] <Kilos> its only if i come here before minetest is actually logged in
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> still don't understand what you are on about
[12:01] <Kilos> then im chatting here and cant use the mouse because its locked to minetest
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, weird
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> try alt+tab until minetest is active, then ESX
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> ESC even
[12:02] <Kilos> and minetest is on workspace 2 and hexchat is on workspace 8
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, you've lost me
[12:02] <Kilos> then i cant use the mouse to switch workspaces
[12:03] <Kilos> do you use only one workspace/desktop
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> typically, yes
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> never seen the value in using workspaces
[12:05] <Kilos> i have 10. one for evolution , one for pidgin, one for hexchat 1 for terminal running iftop and another terminal and browser on one and minetest on one
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a taskbar and alt+tab keys :)
[12:06] <Kilos> alt +tab gives me the choice of only 3 of them it doesnt switch from one to the other
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, good luck then
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have no idea what's going on there
[12:07] <Kilos> it pops up a little window with choices and its never the minetest one so i can go there and hiy escape to release the mouse
[12:08] <Kilos> its unity, gnome2 spoiled me with the workspace switcher
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know unity but if you keep pressing tab you probably eventually get to what you need
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless the alt+tab under unity doesn't include all your workspaces
[12:09] <Kilos> oh alt+tab then tab tab tab?
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> unity is a joke imho
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> keep holding alt, and tab tab tab
[12:09] <Kilos> cool will try that next time
[12:09] <Kilos> ty
[12:10] <Kilos> the prob with unity is that noobs all get there first and if i cant see it in front of me i cant help them
[12:10] <Kilos> otherwise id stay with kde only
[12:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> we can't all help with everything, you should use what makes sense for you
[12:11] <Kilos> my imagination image maker thing dont work
[12:11] <Kilos> i cant picture things
[12:14] <Kilos> see them in my imagination that is
[12:14] <Kilos> hehe
[12:14] <Kilos> got a broken pipe
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> man release upgrades take forever
[12:22] <Kilos> yay first cotton harvest done
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> how big did you make your field? i usually get enough strings from a harvest to make 60-70 wool
[12:25] <Kilos> 2 fields quite big i think
[12:26] <Kilos> will see when finished harvest second one
[12:27] <Kilos> 4x99 and 1x19 string
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice
[12:33] <Kilos> 99 wool
[12:33] <Kilos> fly will be happy
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think he's done with the sails
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe he can start a new ship
[12:40] <Kilos> lol
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> build a huge ocean for it :-D
[12:40] <Kilos> lag min today. it opens as fast as i walk to the deep
[12:48] <Kilos> there now i got cotton growing at the deep as well
[12:48] <Kilos> w00t
[12:50] <Kilos> cotton be lekker , easier than chasing after sheep
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: one of the modules i've messed with adds trasure chests
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> treasure too
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> they generate randomly and contain some random stuff
[12:52] <Kilos> lekker thats for gold that has no use
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> the deeper you find them the more valuable the stuff in it becomes
[12:53] <Kilos> ah thats cool
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> so at the surface it might have some wood, and basic tools, but at -300 you might find one with some diamonds or mese
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty cool
[12:54] <Kilos> ya
[12:57] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, log off minetest
[12:57] <Kilos> database coming
[12:58] <Kilos> the flys one that is
[12:58] <superfly> Kilos: he's not logged on, but you are :-P
[12:58] <Kilos> im off
[12:58] <Kilos> sorry i forgot he was on his new one
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> not now, i have this work thing to attend to
[12:58] <superfly> ah, there we go
[12:59] <superfly> or we can do it later this evening, when ThatGraemeGuy is home
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, better
[12:59] <Kilos> ya that will be cool , gives me time to get more wool
[12:59] <Kilos> hehe
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> or we can wait until we see if a local server even helps the issue
[12:59] <Kilos> ok
[13:00] <Kilos> i actually got to do some farm stuff too
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: do you know how much memory your server uses?
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> minetest process i mean
[13:00] <superfly> I'll check quickly for you
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got a WA vm that's 2GB, they have a deal where its R1/month for first 2 months
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> after that R299
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but a 1GB vm is only R99
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if 1GB would be enough i'm happy to keep paying that
[13:02] <superfly> yes, 1 GB should be enough
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[13:02] <superfly> I think minetest usually sits at about 400-500 megs when everyone is on
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think we can let kilos test it out a bit before we move it over, yes?
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then if it works ok we can sort out access with ssh keys etc
[13:06] <superfly> sure
[13:07] <superfly> I'm at home today, let me know when you want the world
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> only get time for that sort of thing after 8 or so
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> suppertimebathtimestorytimebedtimepleasejustonemorestorypleaseokyesnowreallybedtime
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> etc
[13:16] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> the joys of parenthood
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[13:19] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: Wow, you too?! :-P
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, every night :)
[13:29] <superfly> for me it's 9pm. Eldest goes to bed at 8, youngest doesn't usually hit the hay before 9
[13:29] <Kilos> meeting tonight
[13:30] <Kilos> 20.30
[13:30] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[14:16] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[14:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro meeting tonight hey
[14:16] <Kilos> no excuses
[14:16] <inetpro> hmm... if I pop in it might be late
[14:17] <Kilos> oh my wassup
[14:17] <inetpro> other commitments
[14:17] <inetpro> sorry
[14:17] <Kilos> oi
[14:17] <Kilos> its ok ill get you back
[14:17] <Kilos> hehe
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: still here?
[14:47] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: yep
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> keep seeing stuff that say "player X moved too fast" seems related to some anti-cheating stuff, did you turn that off?
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> every time it happens, i just transported back in time a few seconds
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh s/just/get
[14:49] <superfly> nope
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmkay
[14:50] <superfly> let me see
[14:50] <AndChat|99281> Hi guys
[14:50] <superfly> hi AndChat|99281
[14:51] <AndChat|99281> How do i change my nick superfly
[14:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> /nick newnick
[14:53] <Kilos> hi AndChat|99281 who you?
[14:54] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za if you need linux help you in the right place
[14:54] <AndChat|99281> No  thatgraemguy doesnt work. Hi kilos its bduk  from my tab
[14:55] <superfly> it works for me, why not you?
[14:55] <Kilos> ah
[14:55] <bduk1> Ok doesnt want bduk must put 1 at r
[14:55] <bduk1> At the end
[14:56] <bduk1> Is the meeting tonight
[14:56] <Kilos> yip
[14:56] <Kilos> 20.30
[14:56] <bduk1> Time
[14:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:56] <Kilos> 20.30
[14:56] <bduk1> Ill try to make it
[14:57] <Kilos> cool
[14:58] <Kilos> inetpro, G+ dint even say anything about the meeting
[14:58] <Kilos> grrr
[14:59] <Kilos> nor twitter
[15:12] <bduk1> Where,s the meeting tonight kilos
[15:28] <superfly> bduk1: here
[15:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:29] <Kilos> skop mazal and get him to attend as well
[15:35] <bduk1> I thought it was at soeones house now i cant join. I already told my wife ill be out tonight
[15:36] <bduk1> Kilos im not near mazal now
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <Kilos> yes you can go to superfly s house
[15:40] <bduk1> Only joking
[15:40] <Kilos> bduk1, dont use our meeting as an excuse to go jolling
[15:40] <Kilos> just tell her youll be outa comms with her for 1 hour but youll stay at home to keep her safe
[15:42] <bduk1> Dont like to go out at nights anymore. These days  you have to work during the day and play security at night
[15:43] <Kilos> yip
[15:44] <bduk1> You still playing mine game kilos
[15:44] <Kilos> ya
[15:52] <Kilos> bduk1, the server is offline for general repairs
[15:53] <Kilos> oiling the hinges and new seals on the flanges
[15:54] <bduk1> Mazal build us a server at work were playing. I wan to play on this one sometimes from home but the lag is killing me
[15:55] <Kilos> we hoping the repairs will sort the lag
[15:56] <Kilos> he built such a big castle on this one
[15:56] <Kilos> i looked there today
[15:57] <bduk1> Its nice at work but a bit boring with only  us playing, but if you click on something it happens imediately
[15:58] <bduk1> Its a lot of work playing 2 games
[15:58] <Kilos> ya starting from scratch is too much like hard work
[15:59] <Kilos> i cant start from scratch again
[16:00] <Kilos> hi bushtech meeting tonight hey
[16:00] <charl_> hi Kilos
[16:00] <charl_> i'll be here for the meeting
[16:00] <Kilos> hi charl_
[16:00] <charl_> just came back from amsterdam
[16:00] <Kilos> cool
[16:01] <charl_> had some wifi on the train but it was uber slow
[16:01] <charl_> couldn't do anything really
[16:01] <charl_> signal was terrible
[16:01] <Kilos> i just came back from the sheep kraal
[16:01] <charl_> lol
[16:01] <charl_> ok lemme make dinner
[16:01] <charl_> bbl
[16:02] <bduk1> Didnt know you can go to amsterdam by train
[16:02] <charl_> bduk1: eh... you can go anywhere by train :P
[16:02] <charl_> wherever the trains go, i mean
[16:02] <charl_> the rest you travel by the busa
[16:02] <bduk1> Ok
[16:02] <charl_> *bus
[16:03] <charl_> bbl
[17:00]  * Trixar_za mumbles
[17:04] <charl_> hi Trixar_za
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Hi charl_
[17:06] <Kilos> what you mumbling about Trixar_za
[17:07] <Trixar_za> Python
[17:07] <Trixar_za> More exactly, how wrongly I'm using my own library :P
[17:17] <Gremble> I once used a library, but then I took a hardcover to the face
[17:17] <Gremble> On second thought, it may be less than appropriate to use it as karaoki venue
[17:17] <Trixar_za> Arrow to the knee Gremble
[17:18] <Gremble> I don't actually think I know anyone that can put an arrow in  a knee except their own
[17:18] <Gremble> I once put in arrow in a robin-spot, but I suspect that may have been luck of the draw
[17:21] <Trixar_za> The joke is normally "I used to be X, but then I took an arrow to the knee" - it's a joke on Skyrim that has NPCs use that as a default excuse
[17:21] <Gremble> I am familiar with it. :P Hence the structure of my initial statement
[17:22] <Gremble> You just let me make an archery pun as well
[17:30] <Kilos> hi hexdream welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:30] <Kilos> do we know you?
[17:31] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey wb
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:31] <Kilos> yay im still nline
[17:31] <Kilos> online too
[17:31] <bushtech> Lucky you
[17:32] <Kilos> i see you battling bushtech
[17:32] <kbmonkey> hello hello
[17:32] <Kilos> rev vodacom man
[17:32] <bushtech> yeah sigh
[17:32] <bushtech> will do so again
[17:33] <Kilos> you cant take a days break till its fixed. you gotta nag daily
[17:33] <Kilos> other wise your complaint goes to file 13
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, voda help
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, voda complaints
[17:34] <Maaz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:35] <Kilos> mail them then its on record
[17:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:35] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:35] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is hexdream one of the durbs lug peeps
[17:39] <bushtech> Kilos,Maaz thanks
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz, is our bot bushtech
[17:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[17:40] <bushtech> Maniere is maniere
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, botsnack
[17:41] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[17:45] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos, I am not sure who that is
[17:45] <Kilos> ok
[17:48] <kbmonkey> not so cold here tonight. how about there Kilos ?
[17:49] <Kilos> eish kbmonkey gonna freeze up again
[17:49] <kbmonkey> ow
[17:49] <Kilos> weather liars say 2 for pta but when they say 4 and 6 we get frost and water ices up anyway
[17:50] <Kilos> so we will most likely be -2
[17:52] <kbmonkey> that is pretty cold
[17:52] <kbmonkey> keep beers outside
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <bushtech> the 2 legged beer stealers operate at peak efficiency at -2
[17:54] <Kilos> ya and they take sheep for appetizers
[17:54] <bushtech> zigactly
[17:55] <hexdream> Hi All, Sorry, stepped out for a few minutes. I'm new here. I lurk occasionally.
[17:56] <hexdream> Yip, I'm a Durbs linux geek :-)
[17:59] <Kilos> cool hexdream you welcome, ive been nagging vince for about a year to get you guys here
[18:00] <Kilos> we sometimes have noobs to linux that need helpand other times not noobs that need advanced help
[18:01] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[18:01] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[18:01] <Vince-0> *dota
[18:01] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent
[18:01] <Maaz> Vince-0: Huh?
[18:01] <kbmonkey> hi hexdream !
[18:01] <Kilos> you too early to login
[18:02] <hexdream> Actually it was a mail from @Vince-0 that reminded me to come :-p
[18:02] <kbmonkey> doing the good work
[18:02] <hexdream> I'm sure I kow kbmonkey from somewhere
[18:03] <Kilos> ya he mixes with you guys
[18:03] <Kilos> and nuvolari sometimes
[18:04] <hexdream> cool. cool. I'm kind of multitasking at the moment (yeah I know I cant actually multitask but still). Forgive me if I dont respond immedietly
[18:04] <Vince-0> kbmonkey sometimes chairs this meeting
[18:04] <Vince-0> he is a programmer from Durban
[18:05] <kbmonkey> also multi tasking. trying to use wget to persist cookies via wordpress login. wa
[18:05] <hexdream> And I'm trying to save the world... but got to save me first :-p
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <kbmonkey> nah who needs sanity, the best code comes from the manic side :}
[18:07] <hexdream> Sanity is overrated... but it does keep you from believing the politicians... when politicians make sense, get your self checked out.
[18:08] <kbmonkey> or checked IN
[18:10] <hexdream> almost the same thing :-p
[18:11] <hexdream> though malema did make a good point in parliament the other day...!?!?! I must be going mad
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <kbmonkey> Oh really? he must have seen flappy zuma and got afraid his app is next if he doesn't step up his game. pun intended :)
[18:12] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[18:12] <Kilos> Vince-0, thats one
[18:12] <Kilos> where are the rest
[18:13] <Kilos> too late for the beach
[18:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, usually -2 minutes away :)
[18:13] <Vince-0> oh hai kbmonkey
[18:13] <kbmonkey> Hi Vince-0 !
[18:14] <kbmonkey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140624
[18:16] <bduk1> Hi everyone
[18:16] <Kilos> kbmonkey, the pro will be late if he can make it
[18:16] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[18:20] <kbmonkey> sure thing Kilos
[18:22] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[18:22] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on
[18:22] <kbmonkey> yey
[18:23] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[18:23]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:24] <kbmonkey> Excellent
[18:24] <kbmonkey> our previous minutes was maar min
[18:24] <superfly> ooo
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ooo?
[18:24]  * superfly rushes to get coffee before the meeting
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ooo!
[18:24] <Kilos> ya short meet. this is gonna be another one
[18:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, like a boss
[18:27] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sorry...
[18:27] <Kilos> i wonder what happened to all the stuff that used to make meets overrun
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I get my phone tomorrow!
[18:27] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[18:27] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[18:28] <Kilos> what fone kbmonkey refresh
[18:28] <kbmonkey> ja Kilos we need a minetest review ;)
[18:28] <kbmonkey> the afrihost deal phone + data
[18:28] <Kilos> aha
[18:29] <kbmonkey> almost time :)
[18:29] <Kilos> mtn talking about ftth and lte
[18:29] <kbmonkey> and now I get hungry :P
[18:33] <kbmonkey> what you say shall we warm up the memo pad so long?
[18:33] <Kilos> yip
[18:33] <Kilos> and they tested telkom lte
[18:33] <Kilos> now i gotta convince them to get it to this tower
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meeting
[18:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:33] <Kilos> 100kb/s
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcome
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, say hello
[18:33] <Maaz> hello
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharp
[18:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Alrighty
[18:33] <charl_> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:33] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[18:33] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[18:33] <kbmonkey> welcome charl_
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Hello everybody and welcome to our monthly meeting!
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[18:33] <kbmonkey> You can log your name with Maaz our memo robot by following our lead
[18:33] <kbmonkey> or you can lurk and watch...
[18:34]  * superfly will lurk and write code
[18:35] <Kilos> bduk1, now you can login
[18:35] <Kilos> this is your first meet hey
[18:35] <Kilos> Vince-0, login time
[18:35] <bduk1> Yip not sure whats going on
[18:35] <kbmonkey> is nuvolari around?
[18:36] <Kilos> he said he would try
[18:36] <kbmonkey> bduk1, our robot Maaz takes a record of our meeting
[18:36] <superfly> bduk1: you say, Maaz, I am <full name>
[18:36] <Vince-0> Maaz, I'm Vincent Swart
[18:36] <Maaz> Vince-0: Excuse me?
[18:36] <Kilos> bduk1, you type in Maaz I am and give your name and id number
[18:36] <Kilos> haha
[18:36] <kbmonkey> so if you would like to give Maaz your name, or you don't have to, address her as "Maaz, my name is $USER"
[18:36] <bduk1> Maaz, im Barry du Koker
[18:36] <Maaz> bduk1: Huh?
[18:37] <Kilos> i am
[18:37] <Kilos> no shortcuts with bots
[18:37] <kbmonkey> the bot needs to go to grade school
[18:37] <bduk1> Ish
[18:37] <bduk1> Maaz, i am Barry du Koker
[18:37] <Maaz> bduk1: Done
[18:37] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent
[18:37] <Maaz> Vince-0: Yessir
[18:38] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[18:38] <kbmonkey> We can casually stroll through, people can join in any time
[18:38] <Kilos> lol Vince-0 how many beers you had?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hmmm beer. I had chai rooibos tea
[18:38] <Vince-0> *inbetween dota
[18:39] <Kilos> you  logged in twice
[18:39] <Kilos> haha
[18:40]  * Kilos wonders if ThatGraemeGuy gonna join us
[18:41] <superfly> even if ThatGraemeGuy just tells Maaz about himself ;-)
[18:41] <Kilos> cooweee ThatGraemeGuy
[18:41] <hexdream> Maaz, I am Duncan
[18:41] <Maaz> hexdream: Done
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Right
[18:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[18:42] <Kilos> psychicist, you gonna login?
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz, I am Graeme Donaldson
[18:42] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Done
[18:42] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: now you can go again ;-)
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I think the cold is slowing everyone down Kilos
[18:42] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, welcome to our monthly mee
[18:42] <Kilos> meet too
[18:42] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[18:42] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:42] <Kilos> haha @ superfly
[18:43] <kbmonkey> The past two meets we mentioned the release of the RMS video recorded at UKZN
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[18:44] <kbmonkey> Someone mentioned seeding the video as a torrent. Anybody remember who?
[18:44] <kbmonkey> Just like to get an update of that...
[18:44] <Kilos> Vince-0, is the man with that info
[18:45] <kbmonkey> the post to the video as direct download is http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=292
[18:45] <kbmonkey> just wondering about that seed for those interested
[18:45] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=292
[18:45] <Vince-0> it isn't available now, I
[18:45] <Vince-0> I
[18:46] <Vince-0> I'm uploading it
[18:46] <kbmonkey> thanks Vince-0
[18:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Releases
[18:47] <Maaz> Current Topic: Releases
[18:48] <kbmonkey> who is on the Ubuntu 14.04 release, how is it treating you?
[18:48] <superfly> just upgraded the wife's Kubuntu
[18:48] <kbmonkey> I find moving windows is slow
[18:48] <superfly> kinda died halfway through... you'd think they'd know how to fix that by now
[18:49] <kbmonkey> The upgrade failed? ouch.
[18:49] <kbmonkey> I have spare data to update my 14.04 dual boot yipee
[18:49] <Kilos> im running unity and kde in 14.04. both work but unity isnt as good imo
[18:50] <kbmonkey> ja teething problems happen
[18:50] <Kilos> no man they are disabling stuff that worked before
[18:50] <Kilos> like the compose key option
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Also Mint 17, based on ubuntu, was released
[18:51] <Kilos> little things only otherwise very stable
[18:51] <superfly> kbmonkey: nothing hectic this time, it booted up again, but I had to run a few -f install, upgrade and dist-upgrades to complete the upgrade
[18:51] <Kilos> eish superfly
[18:52] <kbmonkey> I must say Mate is nice and it is a shame that Ubuntu does not have a Mate edition
[18:53] <Kilos> you like mate?
[18:53] <Kilos> gnome2
[18:53] <Kilos> thats a change i like to hear
[18:53] <kbmonkey> Indeed
[18:53] <Kilos> from crashbang
[18:54] <Kilos> gnome2 was very lekker
[18:55] <Kilos> superfly,
[18:55] <kbmonkey> looking at the releases page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:56] <kbmonkey> I remember Intrepid Ibex, hehe :)
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: ya?
[18:56] <Kilos> remember your check on the internet connections
[18:56] <superfly> haven't had time I'm afraid...
[18:56] <Kilos> is there maybe some way we can rev someone in za
[18:56] <superfly> I can barely get 3 seconds to myself
[18:57] <Kilos> ai!
[18:57] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[18:57] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:58] <Kilos> maybe emailing the minister of communication stuff can rev someone
[18:58] <kbmonkey> do meetings in minetest count as events?
[18:58] <Kilos> YA
[18:58] <kbmonkey> 20th September is software freedom day, this one is on a Saturday!
[18:59] <kbmonkey> we should network all the regions with webcams
[18:59] <kbmonkey> or irc at least
[18:59] <Kilos> irc yeah
[19:00] <hexdream> IRC is good but probably too "geeky" for joe public to appreciate.
[19:00] <Kilos> like maia used to do with ubuntu hours and release parties
[19:00] <Kilos> those with uncapped can do webcams
[19:00] <hexdream> Running familiarish stuff is more likely to get joe public to consider alternatives
[19:00] <charl_> won't the existing lugs organise something ?
[19:01] <charl_> i see this as an extension of what the lugs are doing
[19:01] <kbmonkey> yes charl_
[19:01] <charl_> regional events, irc is global
[19:01] <charl_> i mean i don't even live in za :)
[19:02] <Kilos> hi AndChat|99281
[19:02] <charl_> my idea is that when regional things need to be organised like physical get-togethers the lugs should be involved
[19:02] <charl_> because they already have presence in a particular region
[19:03] <kbmonkey> an they will be but SFD is as much about celebrating together
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Anyway it was just a thought.
[19:06] <kbmonkey> anyone in Durban keen for an Ubuntu hour on Sunday?
[19:06] <Kilos> Private_User, how come you dont login??
[19:10] <hexdream> @kbmonkey what did you have in mind for Sunday?
[19:11] <Kilos> hexdream, we dont use @ on irc
[19:11] <kbmonkey> @kilos why not?
[19:11] <hexdream> My bad. I suppose I better not # things up.
[19:11] <Kilos> with @ there he dosnt get an alert
[19:12] <Kilos> no man just different ways of doing things
[19:12] <kbmonkey> I got a highlight :)
[19:12] <Trixar_za> So I figured out my problem
[19:12] <Kilos> with the @ kbmonkey ?
[19:12] <superfly> Trixar_za: which one? :-P
[19:12] <Trixar_za> All I needed to do was pass self to the external parser.
[19:13] <kbmonkey> hexdream, not sure, the gloria jeans in gateway is pretty nice. they have couches!
[19:13] <Trixar_za> My little bug in how I was using my custom library
[19:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, yes with the @.
[19:13] <Trixar_za> Still throws an error when I try closing the socket though - lol :P
[19:13] <Kilos> wow
[19:13] <Trixar_za> But... it exits cleanly, so no worries
[19:13] <Kilos> i didnt get a bloep
[19:14] <hexdream> So Kilos, what is the right way? @kbmonkey  I'm in, barring the unforseen.
[19:14] <kbmonkey> anyways we can work out details later
[19:14] <Kilos> just the nick hexdream
[19:14] <kbmonkey> okay hexdream are you on the mailing list?
[19:14] <hexdream> ah. Thanks. Been a looong time since I spent time on irc.
[19:15] <kbmonkey> @_@
[19:15] <hexdream> Which mailing list kbmonkey? the leadlug one?
[19:15] <kbmonkey> the ubuntu-za list
[19:15] <Trixar_za> superfly: This is what I'm working on - http://trixarian.net/downloads/lulz.zip
[19:15] <Trixar_za> I need a better name for it
[19:15] <kbmonkey> no worries I can always send to the dbn-lug list too and maybe get some crossover interest
[19:16] <hexdream> I must verify that I'm on the list. Whats the link again kbmonkey
[19:16] <Kilos> hexdream, http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[19:16] <hexdream> ta
[19:17] <kbmonkey> http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved
[19:17] <kbmonkey> wow Kilos on the ball
[19:17] <hexdream> :-)
[19:17] <Kilos> i see it in the topic bar
[19:17] <kbmonkey> ah
[19:17] <Kilos> thanks to the pro
[19:18] <kbmonkey> excellent!
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[19:18] <kbmonkey> Right one more item I want to mention...
[19:19] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic GnuPG
[19:19] <Maaz> Current Topic: GnuPG
[19:19] <inetpro> .
[19:19] <kbmonkey> The FSF created this nice guide how to set up GnuPG for your emails, there is a neat info-graphic for sharing too!
[19:19] <Trixar_za> Oh, is it a meeting? Oo
[19:19] <kbmonkey> https://u.fsf.org/yu
[19:19] <Kilos> wb inetpro login time
[19:19] <kbmonkey> yes, hi Trixar_za :)
[19:20] <kbmonkey> the FSF article walks you through email self-defense by setting up GPG for your email
[19:20] <kbmonkey> https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/infographic.html
[19:20] <Kilos> kbmonkey, whats that for
[19:21] <kbmonkey> just fsf promotion Kilos
[19:21] <kbmonkey> Free Software Foundation
[19:21] <Kilos> no man the email thing
[19:24] <kbmonkey> Kilos, exactly that.
[19:24] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Closing & elect next chair
[19:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing & elect next chair
[19:25] <kbmonkey> Anything extra to add?
[19:25]  * Kilos says kbmonkey for next chair
[19:25] <kbmonkey> awe thanks Kilos
[19:25] <Kilos> its your job my man
[19:26] <kbmonkey> I vote myself seeing as the rest of the room has frozen below 0 :)
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:26] <Trixar_za> Yeah, me too - mostly because the rest of us is too lazy to do it
[19:26] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Wesley to chair next meeting.
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: Wesley to chair next meeting
[19:26] <kbmonkey> that will be 22nd Julyl?
[19:26] <kbmonkey> July?
[19:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: correct
[19:27] <Kilos> ty for chairing kbmonkey
[19:28] <kbmonkey> Great thank you everyone. The meeting minutes link coming up next...
[19:28] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:28] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.html
[19:30] <kbmonkey> updating wiki and making next page
[19:30] <kbmonkey> btw Kilos that new server works fast!
[19:31] <Kilos> cool
[19:33] <kbmonkey> next: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140722
[19:33] <kbmonkey> the email thing Kilos ? the fsf thing?
[19:34] <Kilos> email
[19:34] <kbmonkey> email?
[19:35] <Kilos> ya what self defence is needed
[19:36] <kbmonkey> This guide will teach you a basic surveillance self-defense skill: email encryption. Once you've finished, you'll be able to send and receive emails that are coded to make sure that a surveillance agent or thief that intercepts your email can't read it.
[19:37] <Kilos> ah
[19:37] <kbmonkey> because emails are like postcards: not sealed.
[19:38] <Kilos> ok ill look at that then
[19:38] <Kilos> ty
[19:38] <kbmonkey> also you can SIGN an email to prove you sent it. So you won't fall victim to a scam if somebody impersonates you.
[19:38] <kbmonkey> I am so tired phew
[19:39] <kbmonkey> worked late and missed supper. whoops!
[19:40] <Kilos> yip lets go sleep
[19:40] <Kilos> warmer in bed
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey
[19:40] <kbmonkey> thing is the brain is all hotwired from work
[19:41] <kbmonkey> it is like I  live in the matrix
[19:41] <Kilos> think of waves crashing on the beach
[19:41] <Kilos> forget other stuff when its bedtime
[19:41] <kbmonkey> true that!
[19:42] <Kilos> counting sheep dont help
[19:42] <Kilos> you just learn to count better
[19:42] <kbmonkey> hehe
[19:42] <Kilos> good sheep farmers can count mixed by 4's and 5's
[19:43] <Kilos> as sheep run past them. thats amazing
[19:43] <Kilos> hexdream, make this a regular channel for you
[19:43] <kbmonkey> that is skill
[19:44] <Kilos> ty for joining us
[19:44] <Kilos> its unbeleivable to watch them kbmonkey
[19:44] <kbmonkey> going to calm down and hit the hay soon
[19:44] <Kilos> sleep tight guys
[19:44] <Kilos> we missed maia tonight
[19:44] <kbmonkey> ja
[19:44] <kbmonkey> and nuvo
[19:45] <Kilos> ya
[19:45] <hexdream> kilos: Will do. Wil see what clients I can load on my ubuntu and android
[19:45] <hexdream> kilos: suggestions?
[19:45] <Kilos> clients for?
[19:45] <Kilos> irc?
[19:45] <hexdream> irc. Can't do the web thing all the time
[19:46] <hexdream> I know there are plenty out there.
[19:46] <Kilos> on unity hexchat
[19:46] <Kilos> and on kde konversation
[19:46] <Kilos> others use quassel
[19:46] <Trixar_za> I would probably also recommend KvIRC on Qt systems
[19:46] <kbmonkey> on android there is Andchat
[19:46] <hexdream> haha. hexchat is well named for me :-p
[19:46] <kbmonkey> :D
[19:46] <Kilos> its in ubuntu repos
[19:47] <Kilos> so aptitude install hexchat
[19:47] <kbmonkey> hexchat is in the Debian repos too
[19:48] <hexdream> Thanks for all the suggestions. Will poke them with a sharp stick
[19:48] <kbmonkey> I use irssi
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that is why I get @highlights Kilos ;)
[19:48] <Trixar_za> nuvolari would probably recommend weechat
[19:48] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you even used pidgin for irc didn't you?
[19:49] <Kilos> yes in the beginning but then dcc dont work
[19:49] <kbmonkey> but you'd want a real irc chat client
[19:49] <Trixar_za> We have way too many choices for an IRC client :P
[19:49] <Kilos> hexchat
[19:49] <Kilos> same as xchat was
[19:49]  * Trixar_za is listening to: Hot Air Balloon by Owl City
[19:50] <kbmonkey> sockets ;)
[19:50] <Trixar_za> hehehe
[19:50] <Trixar_za> I originally wrote the script that this script was forked off of
[19:50] <Kilos> i go see minetest quick then bed
[19:50] <Trixar_za> And I rewrote part of the current codebase to suit my needs
[19:50] <Kilos> night
[19:50] <kbmonkey> ha ha he's addicted
[19:50] <kbmonkey> having such a hard time with css positioning :/
[19:51] <kbmonkey> why would a div reposition itself just from the amount of text inside of it. gaarg.
[19:57] <hexdream> OK, hexchat up and running. Will try the rest another time.
[19:57] <kbmonkey> that is a good start hexdream.
[19:58] <kbmonkey> don't know hexchat but it is based on xchat which I know well, so thumbs up
[19:58] <hexdream> Thank  kbmonkey Hmm. OK, waay too late for me. Going to head for bed soon. Give me a shout on email/ g+ about sunday.
[19:59] <kbmonkey> sure hexdream thanks for stopping by!
[19:59] <kbmonkey> also need to go to bed
[19:59] <kbmonkey> gnite all
[19:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz, good night
[19:59] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Bye
[19:59] <hexdream> Thanks, and goodnight all.
[20:01]  * kbmonkey detaches for some Zzzs
[20:02] <kbmonkey> nite!
[20:02] <Vince-0> nite!


[16:08] <mamarley> ricotz: Did you ever get around to looking at 384.47?
[20:33] <ricotz> mamarley, sorry, not yet