[02:52] <aprez> hello
[03:08] <nibalizer> slangasek: okay we got it fixed
[03:08] <nibalizer> aprez: hello
[03:08] <nibalizer> slangasek: the problem was I had the consumer misconfigured to do replication
[03:08] <nibalizer> it was replicating most but not all of the entries
[03:09] <nibalizer> presumably this caused the provider to cache in memoriy
[03:09] <nibalizer> causing the use
[03:15] <aprez> have a pretty terrific idea
[03:39] <nibalizer> aprez: ?
[04:53] <slangasek> nibalizer: ah, fun :)
[04:53] <nibalizer> slangasek: thanks for your help
[04:53] <nibalizer> we took a couple of core dumps from it while it was vagranting
[04:53] <nibalizer> and one of our guys gziped them and they shrunk right down
[04:54] <nibalizer> which makes sense
[18:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: your having a small uprising on the wubi thing
[18:54] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:55] <slangasek> people can uprise however they like; Ubuntu is a community project, if someone wants to get Wubi into releasable shape they're welcome to do so
[18:55] <bkerensa> slangasek: they are saying its unclear the status on wubi
[18:55] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:55] <bkerensa> people are saying it wasnt made clear whether its dropped or not and that whatever the decision was should be announced on devel-announce
[18:56] <slangasek> why are these anonymous people proxying to you? :)
[18:57] <bkerensa> slangasek: they are not
[18:57] <bkerensa> slangasek: they are in #ubuntu-community-team
[18:57] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:57] <bkerensa> angry people
 bkerensa, bleh, part of me would love to give the devel team a part of my mind about that, because dropping Wubi isn't like dropping a package or changing a package, that's a MAJOR change.
[18:57] <bkerensa> ;)
[18:57] <slangasek> well, that's why it's highlighted in the beta release notes
[18:59] <slangasek> bkerensa: but unless the argument they're making is "we would have fixed those bugs if only we had KNOWN it was being dropped", I don't see how it matters to have only announced it on ubuntu-devel (so far)?
[18:59] <bkerensa> slangasek: idk... people these days
[18:59] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:50] <aprez> Hello hello hello :D


[08:08] <acheronuk> cyphermox: thank you
[23:18] <CarlFK> available on the "alternate install CD"  I remember that... um.. should I file a bug against this?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/FAQ#What_is_the_Ubuntu_installer_called.3F
[23:21] <CarlFK> and really what I want: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/tree/build/config/amd64/hd-media.cfg?h=ubuntu/disco  FLOPPY_SIZE = 801792
[23:21] <CarlFK> please sync that with debian: FLOPPY_SIZE = 976560
[23:22] <CarlFK> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/blob/master/build/config/amd64/hd-media.cfg#L7
[23:23] <CarlFK> " large enough to put an # Ubuntu iso in" is not -grumble-
[23:30] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1807047


[00:49] <arand> peterkls: what kind of problem? does older versions work?
[00:50] <peterkls> has anyone been able to sart the live cd up? having trouble with a1 on my ideapad s10-3t.
[00:51] <peterkls> yeah i get 10.04 to startup fine...
[00:51] <arand> Try a daily instead.
[00:51] <arand> !daily
[00:51] <arand> That might make a difference, since alpha is quite "old" by now...
[00:52] <peterkls> i tried that too. i probably should copy the error down >_>
[00:52] <arand> And report a bug.
[00:52] <peterkls> yeah
[00:53] <peterkls> i need to make  a launchpad account yeah?
[00:54] <arand> Testing acpi=off and other kernel options might be worth a try, and when reporting, note that on the report as well.
[00:54] <peterkls> think unetbootin has something to do with the  live  cd not working?
[00:55] <arand> Yea, will need a LP account.
[00:55] <arand> Hmm, Unless the image was somehow corrupt in the writing to USB, I don't think it should..
[00:56] <arand> Doesn't ubuntu have another tool that can be used to get the USB image written, in windows? Or was that just a blueprint...
[00:58] <peterkls> yeah im looking at that now
[00:58] <peterkls> brb lol
[01:24] <jordanwb> I'm looking for a new laptop. How are the Intel GMA chips for driver support?
[01:29] <jordanwb> Hello?
[01:29]  * holstein has an asus EEE with intel chips
[01:29] <holstein> works great
[01:29] <holstein> the least head-ache in the house right now
[01:30] <jordanwb> So is it safe to say I don't have to worry about driver support.
[01:31] <holstein> jordanwb: i wouldnt say that
[01:31] <peterkls> going to get the error code brb all
[01:31] <holstein> i would still google and poke around and ask
[01:31] <jordanwb> I suspect they'd have better support than ATI or nvidia
[01:31] <holstein> BUT i think i will get intel chips for my next purchase
[01:31]  * holstein is not a gamer
[01:32] <arand> Well, the GMA954/955 Seems to have had problems throughout lucid
[01:32] <holstein> ive heard good thins about nvida though
[01:32]  * holstein looks
[01:32] <jordanwb> I know that Nouveau works with my nvidia GT220.
[01:32] <holstein> Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[01:33] <holstein> thats what i got that ive had no problems with
[01:33] <jordanwb> Cool. I'm looking for a laptop where I don't have to worry about binary drivers.
[01:33] <holstein> arent we all :)
[01:34] <holstein> i got a couple of out of the box ATI cards too
[01:34] <holstein> id have to fire them up to check
[01:34] <holstein> nothing new
[01:34] <jordanwb> I know I don't have to worry about Atheros and Intel makes good wifi chips. Not sure about RealTek.
[01:34] <holstein> i just dont like real-tek
[01:34] <holstein> quality wise
[01:35] <holstein> but i got a couple of those that are supported
[01:36] <jordanwb> According to the Ubuntu Wiki, the Radeon HD 4200 works with the OSS Radeon driver which would work.
[01:37] <Daekdroom> jordanwb, I don't think it has 3D accel
[01:38] <jordanwb> I don't mind. My current laptop has a Radeon x1200 which uses the radeon driver and it can do compiz stuff just fine (transparency mainly).
[01:39] <Daekdroom> Well, for X1200 it does.
[01:40] <jordanwb> According to the wiki, Intel's G965 OSS driver does 3D
[01:41] <holstein> my EEE does compiz out of the box
[01:42] <jordanwb> Cool. So it seems that the Intel GMA is the least bad
[01:42] <Daekdroom> GMA500, on the other hand..
[01:44] <jordanwb> I'll be near a Best Buy so I'll take a dialy build of meerkat and see what happens.
[01:44] <jordanwb> Best buy tommorow*
[01:45] <holstein> thats the best way
[01:45] <bjsnider> do they let people walk in off the streets and load strange operating systems on their display systems?
[01:46] <jordanwb> Windows ME would be strange to the Geek Squad
[01:46] <holstein> sure
[01:46] <holstein> just ask :)
[01:47] <holstein> they like to sell things
[01:47] <bjsnider> i see
[01:48] <bjsnider> what if the livecd ruined the hardware?
[01:48] <holstein> at the store?
[01:48] <bjsnider> affirmative
[01:48] <holstein> that would be unlikely
[01:48] <holstein> and, its not anybody's hardware
[01:48] <jordanwb> there was a case of the e1000 driver hosing the network chip but that was a while ago.
[01:48] <holstein> i would assume the geek-squad would re-do the OS
[01:49] <bjsnider> remember when the kernel destroyed the firmware on some lan chips awhile back?
[01:49] <holstein> OR just send it back
[01:49] <holstein> after hardy?
[01:49] <Daekdroom> r600g mesa driver had a function that got you to do a cold start boot to fix a crash o.o
[01:50] <Daekdroom> How come there aren't any linux malwares..
[01:50] <holstein> there will be i bet
[01:50] <jordanwb> there was one in a gnome screensave a while back
[01:50] <maco> Daekdroom: there are
[01:50] <bjsnider> linux is too small a target
[01:50] <bjsnider> currently
[01:50] <holstein> with all the adroid phones
[01:50] <holstein> android*
[01:50] <maco> there are no VIRUSES *in the wild* able to infect a current up-to-date system
[01:50] <maco> there have been ~30 in the wild at various times
[01:51] <maco> and there's plenty badness out there that *isnt* a virus
[01:51] <Daekdroom> Hell, I once saw a installing routine script that started with a rm -rf /bin/
[01:51] <maco> Daekdroom: yikes!
[01:51] <Daekdroom> and yes, somebody fell for it, and no, thankfully it wasn't me :P
[01:51] <maco> jordanwb: yep yep i remember that trojan
[01:52] <Daekdroom> I think it was a LXDE installer or something
[01:52]  * maco points folks to the presentation on linux-security-for-normal people she gave 10 days ago --> http://www.slideshare.net/macoafi/security-4484394
[01:52] <Daekdroom> Anyway, I gotta go.
[01:52] <jordanwb> okay. Thanks guys
[01:53] <holstein> maco: cool :)
[02:21] <peterkls> ok the error im encountering is the following: "Fatal: Error inserting vesafb (/lib/modules/2.6.35-2-generic/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko): No such device ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell:". I also get a error similar to this that i cant copy because it just flashes then goes away. i do not know if this is the same error or not but i think so.
[02:27] <arand> peterkls: To be honest I don't know about the error, but it's at least material for a bug report, note down what you've tested, etc.
[02:27] <peterkls> yeap will do. Do i need ubuntu to file the bug?
[02:31] <peterkls> im going to ask same question in ubuntu to see if anyone else might have this problem
[02:33] <Sagaci> when will packages.ubuntu.com allow maverick packages to be searched, on the release date?
[02:39] <arand> Sagaci: It should be up, I think it might be a problem with the site code, which hasn't been fixed yet, for some reason..
[02:40] <Sagaci> arand: ah ok, that's for the response
[02:41] <arand> peterkls: No, You can report it directly, but if you at some point are able to boot the kernel it would of course be best to report it using "ubuntu-bug linux" to catch all relevant data regarding that specific kernel and hardware...
[02:49] <peterkls> roger that mate
[03:10] <yofel> peterkls: afaik that error usually means that the device is either not there, or already used by another module, are you sure there isn't another framebuffer module already loaded?
[03:10] <yofel> afaik vga16fb is loaded by default
[03:11] <peterkls> i read about using uvesafb instead of vesafb on bootup. how would i go about doing that?
[03:16] <yofel> well, vesafb should never be used as it's blacklisted, as for uvesafb, not sure
[03:16] <yofel> vga16fb works fine here
[03:17] <yofel> maybe blacklist vga16fb and add uvesafb to /etc/intramfs-tools/modules
[03:18] <peterkls> well im trying to just get into the live install and i had an error with vesafb and that uvesafb should be used
[03:19] <yofel> erm, vesafb is blacklisted, so a clean live disk will *never* use it
[03:19] <yofel> it shouldn't even attempt to use it
[03:19] <yofel> just curious, what are you trying to do?
[03:20] <peterkls> install 10.10 any way possible on my ideapad s10-3t since it supports most of the features of this netbook
[03:21] <yofel> ah
[03:24] <peterkls> im following ubuntu forums and someone got 10.10 on it, but he hasnt responded yet about it
[03:25] <DanaG> peterkls: add uvesafb to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, install v86d, and set grub to something like: video=uvesafb:mode_option=1024x768
[03:28] <peterkls> ok will try
[03:45] <peterkls> i just realized there is alternate maverick installs i can try
[04:17] <DanaG> "in  maverick we plan to have an upstart job that automatically spawns a  getty if a console= argument for a serial console is set on the kernel cmdline."
[04:17] <DanaG> Sweet.
[04:17] <DanaG> Now if only we could get that to also not disable plymouth splash... =þ
[04:25] <DanaG> s/also not/not also/
[05:31] <peterkls> well the alternate isnt working either lol
[06:31] <knittl> yofel: yeah sure ^^ but i did a full-upgrade, that seemed to work
[07:10] <DanaG> Say, anyone know how to list all packages in a section such as "math"?
[09:54] <DanaG> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-686-compile
[09:55] <DanaG> interesting... does that exclude AthlonXP?
[10:05] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Grub2BootFramebuffer
[10:06] <DanaG> say, why use vesafb and not uvesafb>
[10:06] <DanaG> ?
[10:07] <DanaG> It's a bummer vesafb can't do modeset.
[10:07] <DanaG> er, fbset.
[10:07] <DanaG> only uvesafb can.
[11:16] <nperry> Anyone having any priblems with X
[11:16] <nperry> Seems that my left mouse button no longer works, checked two mouses and doing the same, works fine on my ucid boot
[11:17] <nperry> I'm able to right click
[11:17] <nperry> But after about ten mintues of X running the left button doesn't register
[11:19] <nperry> Anyone suggest something  to debug
[11:20] <nperry> Can't see much in logs
[11:20] <nperry> checking Xorg.log and dmesg
[11:30] <nperry> Going to see if xorg-edgers works
[12:23] <xapienz> hello, everybody! I have maverick; hotkeys like 'Alt-Fx' work in xserver and I can't use 'Alt-F2' for example to open a command window - in this case I'm directed to tty2. What should I do?
[12:27] <arand> xapienz: Report a bug. Dunno if it's the kernel for that..
[12:28] <xapienz> ok, I'll do that
[12:29]  * gnomefreak would have tried setting any key-combo back to default first :)
[12:30] <arand> Bleh, ctrl+alt+T is the worst accelerator ever.
[12:31] <xapienz> arand: what package should I report a bug for?
[12:34] <arand> I'm not sure, if you're not either, just report it against "ubuntu". #ubuntu-bugs might have more people knowing what the target should be..
[12:35]  * gnomefreak could be wrong but im thinking X controls keys and mouse?
[12:37] <xapienz> now I'm asking at #ubuntu-bugs)
[12:37] <xapienz> moreover, ctrl-alt-del restarts my computer
[12:38] <xapienz> alt-left moves me to tty6
[14:47] <T0rrent0w> hello geeks
[14:53] <om26er> hello! T0rrent0w
[15:00] <BUGabundo> Bom S. Joao. bbl
[15:53] <nanoguy> hello
[15:53] <nanoguy> what is new in the alpha?
[16:03] <yofel> nanoguy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[16:03] <nanoguy> thanks
[16:03] <yofel> a bit outdated though
[16:03] <yofel> we have kernel 2.6.35 and KDE 4.5b2 now
[16:04] <yofel> kde4.6rc1 should be released today
[16:04] <yofel> er... 4.5rc1
[16:04] <nanoguy> ok
[17:28] <siegie> I'm testing kubuntu-maverick at the moment, but he starts with the plasma-netbook instead off the plasma-desktop
[17:30] <holstein> i remember getting the mythbuntu one somewhere in the alpha of lucid
[17:31] <holstein> OH
[17:31] <holstein> im thinking boot screens
[17:31] <holstein> NM
[17:33] <yofel> siegie: how large is your screen? I remember there being a change in kdebase-workspace that decides what to start on the screen size
[17:33] <yofel>   * Add kubuntu_108_plasma_netbook_for_small_screens.diff to start
[17:33] <yofel>     plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop if screen size is small
[17:33] <siegie> yofel: 1280x800
[17:34] <yofel> let me check what that actually does...
[17:38] <yofel> hm, that's kdebase-workspace | 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu5 though
[17:39] <yofel> ah, it is built on i386
[17:39] <siegie> yofel: i've found a way to set i back to the plasma-desktop, in system-settings. But it strange that he starts with the netbook interface the first time
[17:39] <siegie> Anyway i've amd64
[17:39] <yofel> but looking at the patch it should only start netbook if the screen is smaller than 700 :/
[17:40] <yofel> maybe ubuntu4 is broken and that's supposed to fix it
[17:43] <siegie> yofel: i'm using 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu4  and i'm using the main archive
[17:45] <siegie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu5 > amd64 is still building. So i hope the problem is solved then. Thanks yofel
[17:52] <Andre_Gondim> I did not find sun-java6-plugins to use in Firefox, does anyone know about it?
[17:55] <yofel> hm, seems to be missing in maverick/partner
[17:56] <Andre_Gondim> I tried to use lucid partner, but I didn't find it
[17:57] <yofel> that should work though
[17:57] <yofel>  *** 6.20dlj-1ubuntu3 0
[17:57] <yofel>        -400 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages
[18:42] <duffydack> btrfs still isnt available in the daily installer.  any ideas when it will appear?
[18:43] <gnomefreak> duffydack: before oct.
[18:43] <gnomefreak> if it will be there
[18:46] <Pici> duffydack: cwatson's email from 2 days ago suggested that btrfs was available in the daily.  I don't know if that was restricted to the alternate installer. It warns that you cannot use that filesystem for /boot though
[18:50] <gnomefreak> oh i did see that i think
[18:50] <duffydack> thats what I dont get, he says its available now, and some people are saying 'alternate installed' but there isnt one for daily
[18:50] <Pici> duffydack: ask him?
[18:50] <gnomefreak> duffydack: alt installer has been having issues and its not posted everyday
[18:51] <gnomefreak> i posted a commanet/question to dev-disuss list
[18:51] <gnomefreak> discuss
[18:51] <duffydack> doh, i guess I dont look very hard..i`ll try this alternate..
[19:41] <DanaG> Heh, if I enable the volume-control sound, it plays the sound about 5-10 times per second while I hold my volume softkey.
[19:41] <DanaG> It makes it sound like brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrup
[19:41] <DanaG> And it uses 100% CPU while doing so.
[19:41] <DanaG> =þ


[10:04] <larsu> Saviq: did you ask me about gsettings overrides based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP at some point?
[10:04] <larsu> somebody did and I try to remember who it was
[10:04]  * larsu is planning work for next cycle
[10:24] <Saviq> larsu, not sure what X_C_D is (well, I can imagine what it is) so no :)
[10:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: are you sure about the double tt ? the internet is thorn between screenshoter and screenshotter
[10:26] <tsdgeos> did i fall rom the internet again?
[10:27] <tsdgeos> ah no, seems i'm still here
[10:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, not sure ;)
[10:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, maybe it should simply be "shooter"? :D
[10:32]  * Saviq still prefers "grabber"
[10:35] <tsdgeos> Saviq: but we have that one already
[10:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we have *Screen*Grabber, not *Session*Grabber
[10:36] <tsdgeos> oh ok
[10:36] <tsdgeos> so i'll do SessionGrabber
[10:36] <Saviq> yup
[11:08] <bgd> Hi everyone! I have a synaptics with 3-finger-swipe capability (as shown by xinput list-props) and I wonder how I can activate that in Unity, so that e.g. I can change the workspace with it?
[11:20] <Saviq> bgd, try having a read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/TouchpadSupport maybe that will help
[12:36] <dandrader> mzanetti, all your comments have been addressed here https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/shellRotation/+merge/256497
[13:24] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: hey, was playing with unity8 desktop on a second machine i have here...first thing i tried was launching the browser
[13:25] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: IT craps out, right?
[13:25] <kgunn> i see the app window loading for a split second then it goes away
[13:25] <kgunn> ok...so you see it to
[13:25] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Known issue, lemme find the bug...
[13:25] <kgunn> thanks...i was trying to look for bugs
[13:26] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1429135
[13:26] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Seems to be a fix, but it hasn't hit the archive yet????
[13:27] <kgunn> huh...
[13:27] <kgunn> yeah, that's weird
[13:27] <kgunn> unless....maybe it's only in the overlay ppa ?
[13:27] <ChrisTownsend> It is weird.  Not sure what's taking so long.
[13:30] <mzanetti> dandrader, ack. will test it again, on a tablet
[13:33] <dandrader> oh oh... I foresee new issues :)
[14:01] <dandrader> are you guys getting "<Unknown File>: QML UCDeprecatedTheme: Theme.palette is deprecated. Use ThemeSettings instead." spammed on the console when running qml tests?
[14:01] <dandrader> like "make tryShell"
[14:06] <tsdgeos> no, but i did not enable "newest PPA"
[14:06] <tsdgeos> maybe the sdk guys changed something in there?
[14:07] <tsdgeos> this is what i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/10878840/
[14:07] <tsdgeos> do you have the nwest PPA?
[14:07] <Saviq> yeah they did
[14:08] <Saviq> the whole theming system is redone
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think i addressed all your comments in the sessiongrabber branch
[14:16] <mzanetti> dandrader, I've updated my device but still see those things. I assume the ppa isn't up to date?
[14:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, no, it's not
[14:17] <mzanetti> ack
[14:18] <dandrader> mzanetti,  triggered a new build now
[14:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx, will check
[14:28] <dandrader> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/ddaImprovements/+merge/255896 is also missing your feedback
[14:44] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: i'm sitting in a meeting and oxide 1.7 just landed....so me thinks that bug must be something else ?
[14:47] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Hmm, my vivid system has oxide 1.5.5 installed and no new updates.
[14:48] <kgunn> yeah...that's weird me too
[14:48] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: So until the archive gets updated, we're stuck.
[14:51] <kgunn> hmm, but it's not in overlay...
[14:51]  * kgunn goes to investigate
[14:51] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: What is "overlay"?
[14:52] <kgunn> oh wait...it just appeard
[14:52] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, and https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/floatingFlickable/+merge/256668 as well
[14:53] <kgunn> where stuff can land when the regular archive is  froze
[14:53] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: ^
[14:53] <ChrisTownsend> Oh, ok, cool.
[14:53] <ChrisTownsend> I should add that PPA then for the latest and greatest:)
[14:53] <kgunn> yep
[14:54] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Ok, the oxide package is pending w/ the arm64 build still running.
[14:57] <mzanetti> dandrader, on the floatingflickable one there's 2 comments you missed, I think
[14:58] <dandrader> mzanetti, ahh, right!
[15:18] <dandrader> tsdgeos, do you know if we still need this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10879284/
[15:18] <tsdgeos> dandrader: don't know tbh
[15:19] <tsdgeos> can try removing it an checking what happens i guess :D
[15:19] <tsdgeos> dandrader: you do or want me to?
[15:20] <dandrader> tsdgeos, just wandering if I should copy this over to a new test or not. So I guess I won't
[15:20] <dandrader> s/wandering/wondering
[15:20] <tsdgeos> dandrader: leave it out, if it passes, good :D


[13:24] <len-dt> scott-work, astraljava  This move to final appears not to need retest. Is that correct?
[13:33] <astraljava> len-dt: Yes, that's my understanding too.
[13:52] <len-dt> astraljava, and then release (when it comes) will be what we base 12.10 on I would guess.
[13:52] <scott-work> just this morning i signed the release manifest to change the status as "approved for release"
[13:52]  * len-dt is new to this stuff as this is his first cycle...
[13:55] <len-dt> As some people have talked about AWN as a panel for US, I downloaded it to look at. It pulls in gnome3 fallback and unity... some 118 packages.
[13:56] <len-dt> It looks pretty, but in the end it is just another panel and I think I could get the same functionality out of the xfce panel.
[13:58] <len-dt> scott-work, astraljava  I think if we are going to do workflows with changing menus similar to what I had mocked up, it would be best to work on them as an xfce panel applet.
[14:02] <scott-work> len-dt: that is the reason that we haven't really made more progress with AWN (re: dependecies)
[14:03] <len-dt> scott-work, I think we could make xfce panel look the same minus the fancy graphics.
[14:04] <len-dt> I don't see a vast difference in the underlying function.
[14:04]  * len-dt is off to work, will read back log on return.
[14:06] <scott-work> len-dt: re: work flows - if we create any new applications we need to especially cognizant of the time it will take to get into the repositories (which could be months)
[14:10] <len-dt> scott-work, if there is nothing out there now, we have no choice. What I have  done is all script... no source. That could be dropped into our "look" package.
[14:12] <scott-work> len-dt: it could possibly, but the package approval process is in place for a variety of reasons, including vetting new code for security (along with other items) and shouldn't be abused unecessarily
[14:13] <scott-work> we should think through this before making any decisions
[17:40] <astraljava> len-dt: There'll usually be huge changes when the archives open again, but probably not this time as Debian is frozen for a new release as well.
[17:40] <astraljava> Not really sure about how's it going to be this time.
[17:49] <astraljava> Right, new amd64 images.
[17:49] <astraljava> ;./
[17:59] <astraljava> bug #899001 is haunting us, so please check if you can help with that. I'll be testing it within the few next hours, but I could use some backup if possible.
[18:02] <astraljava> Err... sorry, the image isn't yet available. I'll shout out again when it is.
[18:35] <astraljava> Ok, go fetch!
[18:41] <knome> what? i didn't hear. shout louder
[20:21] <len-dt> astraljava, I can't help with the amd64 stuff...
[20:23] <len-dt> astraljava, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/216/builds still shows the test results from before the respin for adm64 ISOs
[20:31] <len-dt> astraljava, scott-work and whoever else can test the amd64 ISO, the page to post results is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds
[20:42] <acmeinc> I'm confused regarding the Testcases page.  Is it asking us if *only* the install passed with no bugs, or if install AND testing passed with no bugs.
[20:48] <len-dt> acmeinc, Which page? (url) I think the two tests are live works and install works.
[20:49] <acmeinc> len, yes that's the one...so I'm assuming I would say "Passed with no bugs" if my install worked from both the Live and Install mode, even though I'm seeing bugs post installation?
[20:50] <acmeinc> in short, is this page only asking to be sure the installation from both modes is working properly?
[20:50] <scott-work> len-dt: i can test the 64bit this evening
[20:50] <len-dt> acmeinc, There are some known bugs that will not be fixed before release.
[20:50] <len-dt> scott-work, Ok .
[20:51] <len-dt> acmeinc, we would only be looking for bugs that make things unusable at this point.
[20:54] <len-dt> acmeinc, so after install, it should reboot and the installer should be able to login and run something (irc or browser for example.)
[20:56] <len-dt> acmeinc, Installer means the person who installed, not the installer software..
[20:56]  * len-dt is not a great communicator.
[21:10] <acmeinc> len, ok, thx for the clarifation, install works just fine, and sample apps as well.
[21:10] <acmeinc> i'll mark it
[21:11] <len-dt> acmeinc, Good.
[21:12] <len-dt> I think thats our release then.
[21:13] <acmeinc> would you rather me post general 12.04 questions to the non-devel area?
[21:15] <len-dt> acmeinc, I don't know really, if it is about how to then yes, if it looks like something that could use changing here is good.
[21:15] <acmeinc> well it seems bluetooth has gone away since 11.04-studio, which is a concern of mine
[21:16] <acmeinc> unless its just done differently...in that case, i'd post to the general
[21:16] <len-dt> acmeinc, I think that would be a bug. I think that was mentioned before... none of us has the hardware to check that I know.
[21:17] <len-dt> Oh that was you all ready :)
[21:18] <acmeinc> len, i have a bluetooth dongle i used successfully in pairing on 11.04.  on 12.04 the applet is gone..i tried bluemon and installing th e applet manually, but neither find the "adapter".
[21:19] <acmeinc> Would you like me to file a bug, or note an existing bug, or try-out something for you?
[21:19] <len-dt> It needs a bug report. Is there an existing bug?
[21:19] <acmeinc> i wouldn't know :)
[21:21] <len-dt> acmeinc, if there was an applet before it should still be there. If we are missing it. That is a bug.
[21:25] <len-dt> acmeinc, I don't see a BT applet listed in the available panel applets. I don't know if that is because my hardware doesn't support BT though.
[21:26]  * len-dt is gone to pick kids up at school.
[21:38] <acmeinc> report filed under Ubuntu Studio Project, I hope that was right.
[21:45] <scott-work> was typing something on another channel and thought i should share here, hopefully the paste works well:
[21:45] <scott-work> [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we scripted opening qjackctl, starting jack with certain settings, open ardour + hydrogen + whatever else, and make all the connections? [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we applied that same idea to work flows for creating graphics?  or editing video? [16:40] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we made this use a gui and had rectangles for each "process" for a work flow
[21:45] <scott-work> crap, no
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we scripted opening qjackctl, starting jack with certain settings, open ardour + hydrogen + whatever else, and make all the connections?
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we applied that same idea to work flows for creating graphics?  or editing video?
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:40] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we made this use a gui and had rectangles for each "process" for a work flows with choices and a default chosen?
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:40] <scott-work> for example, let's consider editing video:
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:40] <scott-work> user starts the app
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:41] <scott-work> see's that there are choices for editing audio, editing video, creating a title screen, and publishing to web
[21:46] <scott-work> [16:41] <scott-work> so each process (e.g. editing audio vs editing video) is in a rectangle and the various choices are under it
[21:47] <scott-work> [16:42] <scott-work> the user clearly now understands not only what work flow we intended, which applications are available, but also which apps we suggest as "preferred"
[21:47] <scott-work> [16:42] <scott-work> what if we could generate a script for the user once they have their preferred work flow or tool chain (chosen applications)
[21:47] <scott-work> [16:43] <scott-work> that is just a sample of what i mean by "user improvements" or "usage improvements" = making it easier for users
[21:47] <scott-work> [16:44] <scott-work> also we are considering a "record mode" for audio, maybe it turns off network manager, pulse audio, blue tooth, ubuntu one if they are running
[21:47] <scott-work> [16:44] <scott-work> maybe it also changes or adds a dock on the side of the screen that shows only applications for audio, maybe even have then sequences to mimic the work flow
[21:47] <scott-work> [16:45] <scott-work> this idea could also be applied for video or graphics or photography or ebook
[21:49] <scott-work> also, we could even consider that different workspaces can be named, have their own backdrops, and maybe even have their own docks (i'm guessing on this one)
[21:49] <scott-work> maybe have an "video" workspace that has applications in the dock for video work
[21:59] <len-dt> ScottL, I don't like the workspace idea for at least two reasons :)
[22:00] <len-dt> ScottL, 1) I normally use more than one WS for just audio (or just other workflows for that matter)
[22:02] <len-dt> ScottL, 2) having workspaces with different BGs an panels increases the system load all the time.(memory at least)
[22:03] <len-dt> ScottL, 3) (I said two right? :)  it would encourage people to leave unrelated apps running in an unseen WS which would also use extra resources
[22:05] <len-dt> ScottL, KDE (apparently) already offers such a setup, so installing kubuntu and playing with it might give you an idea how it would work out.
[22:06] <len-dt> ScottL, KDE was not chosen for US  because it is a resource hog.
[22:17] <acmeinc> seems like a lot of work to benefit a select few.  i have a script which opens my audio recording suite in succession, but really, how many people will do the same? my 2c
[22:48] <ScottL> len-dt, dont' sweat about it yet ;)
[22:48] <ScottL> these are just ideas, nothing concrete and i wanted to bring these and others up to the group and try to find a good direction forward
[22:48] <len-dt> ScottL, no sweat, just my two cents.
[22:48] <ScottL> i imagine as we talk through these issues (like you mentioned) we will find our path
[22:50] <len-dt> ScottL, the more ideas we have the more ideas that are left over once we shoot down the unusable ones...
[22:54] <ScottL> len-dt, acmeinc, i saw you talking about the latest image, how did the testing go?  any concerns for release (not small ones)?  is there a reason not to tell #ubuntu-release that it is ready for release?
[22:54] <len-dt> ScottL, I have no concerns...
[22:55]  * len-dt must have missed _something_
[22:55] <len-dt> ScottL, That is with 32bit.
[22:58] <acmeinc> i can finish testing 64 (latest) tonight at midnight...im at work now
[22:58] <len-dt> -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- ISO Tracker: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Precise Pre-release] has been removed
[22:58] <len-dt> -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- ISO Tracker: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Precise Final] has been updated (20120425)
[22:59] <ScottL> acmeinc, testing is done my friend :)
[22:59] <ScottL> i have to finish release notes tonight as well and then start emailing people/places/lists
[23:00]  * len-dt is busy trying to figure out backup order for all the computers around here.
[23:01] <acmeinc> well then...


[16:07] <shadeslayer> anyone around?
[17:37] <LaserJock> any wiki (help.u.c/community) guru's around?
[17:40] <stlsaint> LaserJock: i can try and help though im very far from guru...
[17:41] <LaserJock> I'm working on doing some documentation for Ubuntu Netbook Edition
[17:41] <LaserJock> I notice quite a few places where Ubuntu Netbook Remix is talked about in a larger page about Ubuntu in general
[17:41] <LaserJock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick for instance
[17:42] <LaserJock> I'm wondering if I should move Netbook-specific material into it's own page
[17:42] <LaserJock> or whether to link to the large Ubuntu page even though a fair amount of it may not apply specifically to Netbook users
[17:44] <stlsaint> LaserJock: im sure there is a unr page already created but is probably an orphan paged
[17:46] <stlsaint> LaserJock: seems this was started but not completed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[17:51] <LaserJock> stlsaint: right, almost all of that material is outdated and not useful for Ubuntu Netbook Edition
[17:51] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get things cleaned up
[17:53] <stlsaint> LaserJock: well i ws unable to locate any docs directly tied into a UNR page on help site...
[17:53] <stlsaint> LaserJock: which leads me to think orphan page
[17:54] <stlsaint> LaserJock: thing is i would hate for you to start a big workup on UNR just to find that its already made somewhere
[17:55] <LaserJock> stlsaint: yeah
[17:55] <LaserJock> stlsaint: I started https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuNetbookEdition
[17:55] <LaserJock> but I don't want to duplicate work if there's stuff around
[17:56] <LaserJock> but the bigger problem I've seen is Netbook stuff embedded in regular Ubuntu pages
[17:56] <LaserJock> like "For Ubuntu Netbook Remix, do ..." sections in the middle of a page
[17:56] <LaserJock> it seems to me like it would be good to extract those out and put then in a NetbookEdition page
[17:57] <stlsaint> LaserJock: yea i was just gonna add that you could go ahead and start a page then once starcraft comes in bring it to his attention
[17:57] <LaserJock> starcraft is the wiki lead person?
[17:58] <stlsaint> LaserJock: not so much THE head guy but he knows plenty on wiki and knows who to contact to get things straightened out
[17:58] <LaserJock> ok, thanks for the info
[17:58] <stlsaint> he is the lead wiki foucs group leader for the ubuntu beginners team
[17:58] <LaserJock> ah
[17:59] <LaserJock> I used to be a Doc Team member once upon a time
[17:59] <LaserJock> but it's been a while, the team has changed a lot
[17:59] <stlsaint> im not really anybody important...i just write and clean up wiki...simple
[18:00] <LaserJock> well, that's important work
[18:01] <stlsaint> yea
[21:56] <stlsaint> Rocket2DMn: ping
[21:56] <stlsaint> LaserJock: ping
[21:56] <Rocket2DMn> hey stlsaint , what's up
[21:57] <stlsaint> Rocket2DMn: hola...
[21:57] <stlsaint> Rocket2DMn: user above...laserjock had a question about docs on UNR...
[21:57] <stlsaint> Rocket2DMn: they were unable to find a doc just focused on unr in help.ubuntu...they wanted to make one strictly for UNR
[21:58] <stlsaint> Rocket2DMn: i thought maybe there was already a doc for unr but was a orphan doc
[21:58] <stlsaint> Rocket2DMn: any thoughts?
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> afaik, there aren't any docs specifically for UNR
[21:58] <stlsaint> oh ok
[21:59] <stlsaint> well yea i told them to go ahead and make one and talk to starcraft about how to go about getting it linked up...but you showed up first so i ping ya
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> i'm not sure how much starcraftman knows about system docs, he mostly knows wiki
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> I thought i remember discussion in the past about unr...
[22:00] <stlsaint> LaserJock: ping
[22:01] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks
[22:01] <Rocket2DMn> thta says there are some docs, but i have no idea where they are
[22:02] <LaserJock> stlsaint: hi
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> see bug 340246
[22:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 340246 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Netbook Remix needs a seperate ubuntu-doc branch (affects: 2) (dups: 1)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340246
[22:03] <stlsaint> LaserJock: Rocket2DMn here is also a good person to ask help on doc issues
[22:03] <LaserJock> I was going to start with wiki docs
[22:03] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if there would be enough material for system docs
[22:03] <Rocket2DMn> the community docs are a good place to start :)
[22:03] <LaserJock> there's just a few differences between Netbook Edition and regular Ubuntu that need some documentation
[22:04] <LaserJock> I gotta run for a few min. bbiab
[22:46] <LaserJock> back


[00:01] <darkxst> and for the time being, gnome3/trusty PPA will be missing 3.10 bits
[00:01] <darkxst> gnome3-staging/trusty will be 3.12
[05:13] <lamgade> hello
[05:13] <lamgade> anyone here
[05:14] <lamgade> i want to remove the crappy left panel from ubuntu
[05:14] <lamgade> anyone gon help me ?
[10:24] <darklight_> darkxst, Have you had a chance to add the patches I showed you ?
[10:25] <darkxst> darklight_, uploaded to ppa yesterday, however if you can file a bug I will get them into trusty proper
[10:26] <darklight_> darkxst, ok just have to find the bugzilla bugreport again :P do you have it at hand ?
[10:27] <darkxst> darklight_, its linked in the package, just need a LP bug
[10:27] <darklight_> LP ?
[10:27] <darkxst> Launchpad
[10:27] <darklight_> oh ok
[10:27] <darkxst> describing the regression (no need to mention to the fixes)
[10:35] <darklight_> darkxst_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1274453
[10:36] <darklight_> darkxst, ^
[10:40] <darkxst> darklight_, thanks, I will get it uploaded later in the week
[10:42] <darkxst> darklight_, and its much preferred if you use 'ubuntu-bug' to files bugs ;)
[10:43] <darkxst> but that is ok this time
[10:47] <darklight_> oh yeah it's just I was on my centos machine (which could switch to ubuntu gnome 14.04 once it's released :) )
[21:22] <dsmythies1> I have a problem with the GNOME Trusty Daily ISO. The problem started almost 2 weeks ago, and synchronous with some changes to GNOME.
[21:22] <dsmythies1> I have been trying to figure out what project or package to file the bug report under. My most recent thinking is (and I changed the bug report just earlier to) gnome-settings-daemon.
[21:22] <dsmythies1> Does anyone here have an opinion?
[21:22] <dsmythies1> Reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1273276
[23:08] <darkxst> dsmythies1, have you tried test with a different live ISO? Fedora perhaps?
[23:13] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I have not tried a different live ISO.
[23:13] <darkxst> dsmythies1, it may be an issue within mutter
[23:15] <dsmythies1> darkxst: Should I change the bug report project from "gnome-settings-daemon" to "mutter" (or whatever mutter's parent project is)?
[23:17] <darkxst> dsmythies1, try test it first in latest Fedora, if it also happens there, then I will blame mutter
[23:18] <dsmythies1> darkxst: Is mutter (I see it is a packge itself) also used by unity?
[23:19] <darkxst> dsmythies1, mutter is the window manager for gnome-shell
[23:19] <darkxst> it also handles display configuration in 3.10
[23:24] <dsmythies1> darkxst: So the answer is no, it is not used by unity. I will consider to try Fedora, but I am already way off on a tangent and need to get back to what I am supposed to be doing. I have never tried Fedora before. Do you know if "mutter" was changed about 2 weeks ago (i.e. when my saga started)?
[23:25] <darkxst> roughly 2 weeks ago yes
[23:28] <dsmythies1> darkxst: Hmmm... I see 2014.01.22 in Luanchpad. I'll have to check. I think that is after my saga started. ... I'll be back in a few minutes with more definate timeline.
[23:36] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I think my issue can not be "mutter" because the start of my saga pre-dates the change. My saga start is more synchronous with the gnome-shell (and I think several other gnome changes) of 2014.01.17 (based on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell) My saga started that weekend, I'm pretty sure.
[23:41] <dsmythies1> darsxst: Also, and now that I think to look, my issue can not be "gnome-settings-daemon", because and if I understand launchpad correctly, it didn't change. ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon )
[23:53] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I see that you added "Ubuntu GNOME" project to the bug report. Thanks for that and for your replies herein. I will delete "gnome-settings-daemon".


[00:05] <stlsaint> heck i use it on netbook right now
[00:06] <stlsaint> literally...im typing on it now :D
[00:07] <croque> works great on an eeepc netbook.
[00:10] <stlsaint> yep yep
[08:53] <77CAAUEIL> hi
[08:53] <l33__> hi
[14:19] <MisterX> hi there
[14:20] <MisterX> after upgrading to lubuntu 11.10 i miss my battery status in the panel's tray
[14:20] <MisterX> can anyone tell me how to get it back?
[14:24] <brother-> MisterX: right click the panel, choose panel settings, choose the applet tab, click add, find it in the list, mark it, click add, move it to the position you want it
[14:33] <MisterX> brother-: already tried that. doesn't work
[14:36] <brother-> so it is not missing it is just not displaying anything?
[14:36] <MisterX> i dont see any battery-related thingy in my panel
[14:37] <MisterX> even if i add related applets
[14:37] <brother-> it might be there but not displaying anything.
[14:37] <brother-> I don't have it on this puter because I have no battery in this workstation
[14:38] <MisterX> k
[16:12] <Blues-Man> hi all
[16:12] <Blues-Man> could you tell please which version of lubuntu would be suitable for eeepc? I mean is better to get latest 11.10 or 10.04 ?
[16:13] <Blues-Man> in terms of performance
[16:14] <croque> I'm running 11.10 on an eeepc 1005ha and it works fine.
[16:15] <croque> Don't know about 10.04 though.
[16:15] <Blues-Man> how about the booting time?
[16:17] <croque> I find it acceptable...but I can't really give you exact timing because I have /home encrypted
[16:17] <croque> makes for an extra password
[16:20] <Blues-Man> eheh
[16:20] <croque> 36 secs to login screen (including typing the luks password fast)
[16:20] <croque> then it's about 3 or 4 seconds to the desktop after login
[16:20] <Blues-Man> sounds good
[16:20] <Blues-Man> :)
[16:21] <Blues-Man> ok i'm torrent-ing 11.10
[16:22] <croque> if you install 11.10 and have increasing empty space on the taskbar after every suspend...check launchpad for the bug.
[16:22] <croque> there's a semi-work-around there
[16:23] <Blues-Man> ok
[16:23] <croque> good luck
[16:24] <Blues-Man> thanks
[18:07]  * Blues-Man good blues bye
[18:49]  * wxl *plink-plink-plink*
[18:49] <wxl> ^^ that's the pin dropping
[18:50] <bense> how do i get rid of the multiple nm-applets in my system tray?
[18:51] <wxl> odd that you have more than one bense.. has that been the same since install?
[18:51] <bense> yes
[18:52] <wxl> is network-manager an autostarted app? that could be one possible problem
[18:52] <bense> i also have to modprobe b43
[18:52] <bense> to get wifi working
[18:52] <bense> how do i check to see what's auto-started?
[18:52] <wxl> menu > pref > desktop session settings
[18:53] <wxl> how did you install the b43 driver?
[18:53] <bense> with synaptic
[18:54] <wxl> which one did you install?
[18:54] <wxl> the "installer" one?
[18:54] <bense> lemme check
[18:55] <bense> firmware-b43-installer
[18:55] <wxl> assumedly you have shutdown and restarted many times since..
[18:55] <bense> yes
[18:55] <wxl> and it's not in the autostart?
[18:56] <bense> which is not in the autostart?
[18:57] <bense> the nm-applet ?
[18:57] <bense> or the inmod
[18:57] <wxl> network manager
[18:58] <bense> let me test somthing
[18:58] <bense> i will be right back wxl
[18:59] <bense> still two of them :(
[18:59] <bense> if i do a killall nm-applet
[19:00] <wxl> do you have pastebinit?
[19:00] <bense> then nm-applet
[19:00] <bense> it returns with just 1
[19:01] <wxl> well in any case i'd suggest we look and see what networkmanager is logging
[19:01] <wxl> cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i networkmanager | pastebinit
[19:01] <wxl> ..if you have pastebin, else you can always:
[19:01] <wxl> cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i networkmanager >> foo
[19:02] <wxl> and then open up foo, copy and paste it on pastebin
[19:06] <bense> http://paste.ubuntu.com/724617/
[19:08] <bense> :(
[19:08] <wxl> reading
[19:08] <wxl> this is cute
[19:09] <bense> how so
[19:09] <wxl>     read connection 'Auto griswold_family_christmas_tree'
[19:09] <bense> =D
[19:09] <bense> that's my non dd-wrt router at home
[19:10] <wxl> :     read connection 'Pretty Fly For A Wi-Fi'
[19:12] <wxl> very odd
[19:13] <wxl> so when you modprobe does everything work all fine and dandy?
[19:13] <wxl> like does the wifi just automatically kick on and connect to your default connection?
[19:16] <bense> pretty much
[19:16] <wxl> bense: do you know which card you have? if not lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[19:16] <bense> i have a broadcom dw 1390
[19:16] <bense> Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[19:17] <wxl> so that's sta
[19:17] <wxl> did you use prefs > addl drivers after install?
[19:17] <wxl> oh and der
[19:17] <wxl> since that's sta you have the wrong driver
[19:18] <wxl> oh no you don't
[19:18] <wxl> i'll shut up
[19:18] <wxl> they both work
[19:19] <wxl> stil make sure you do the addl drivers
[19:19] <wxl> (i figure we get the driver installation fixed and the extra nm-applet will follow soon after)
[19:23] <bense> i did that
[19:24] <wxl> and the reboot and the whole thing and no go?
[19:24] <bense> the broadcom sta wireless driver
[19:24] <bense> activated but not in use
[19:24] <bense> well, the b43 driver is what has me on here now
[19:25] <wxl> yeah not sta
[19:25] <wxl> there was a bug in 11.04.. is that what you're running?
[19:25] <bense> i missed the days where we did everything manually
[19:26] <bense> i forget which version i have lol
[19:26] <wxl> hahahah
[19:26] <wxl> lsb_release if i remember correctly
[19:26] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[19:26] <wxl> sorry
[19:26] <bense> i'm on 11.10
[19:27] <wxl> check this:
[19:27] <bense> i'm used to just editing some flat file in /etc that specifies which modules to load.  or, back when i used gentoo, I'd just compile the drivers directly into the kernel
[19:27] <bense> i feel so silly right now
[19:27] <wxl> When I installed default system (11.04 first, then upgrade to 11.10 immediately after), it installed broadcom-sta-common package and wifi didn't work. After some mingling using directives here and some other sources, realized that b43 module was blacklisted under /etc/modprobe.d/. Saw that manual "modprobe b43" enabled the card but reboot lost it again. Installed b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer and removed broadcom-sta-common, broadcom-sta-source and bc
[19:28]  * bense sighs
[19:29] <wxl> i still get stuck on this and that.. and there was a time many moons ago i was rolling my own kernels. don't feel bad
[19:29] <wxl> anywho i think that's your solution right there
[19:30] <wxl> brb
[19:30] <bense> but the thing is, I have had b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer installed
[19:30] <bense> without the broadcom-sta-common installed
[20:23] <bense> flash does not work on my 64-bit chromium on 11.10
[20:23] <bense> :(
[20:24] <bioterror> like youtube?
[20:24] <bioterror> you have installed flashplug-installer?
[20:25] <bense> that requires all the i386 packages
[20:26] <bioterror> why it would require i386 packages+
[20:27] <bense> it just does
[20:27] <bense> i don't know why
[20:28] <bense> I don't know why this is like pulling teeth
[20:32] <bioterror> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/flashplugin-installer
[20:32] <bioterror> that one is AMD64
[20:32] <bioterror> flashplugin-nonfree is just i386
[20:35] <wxl> bense: i think your issue may be with the blacklisting of b43-- NOT that it's installed or not and/or if sta is installed or not
[20:36] <bense> i hope you're right wxl
[20:36] <wxl> only one way to find out
[22:11] <osmodivs> Hello. Everytime I open a compresed file with File Roller and then try to drag and drop it in another folder the whole OS freezes, and have to reboot. Is this a known bug?
[22:11] <wxl> i just use archive manager. why file roller? did you check file roller bugs?
[22:14] <osmodivs> I thought FileRoller was default in Lubuntu, I don't even know wich one is it, I just double click it and it opens. I checked and yes, it is Archive Manager
[22:14] <wxl> ok nevermind :D
[22:14] <wxl> tee hee
[22:14] <wxl> let me see if i have a similar issue
[22:14] <wxl> in fact why don't you send me to the exact file you're dealing with
[22:15] <wxl> (i don't usually drag and drop)
[22:16] <osmodivs> wxl: It happens with all compressed files
[22:16] <osmodivs> tar, zip, rar
[22:16] <osmodivs> I have to copy and paste, but it should not freeze like that
[22:16] <emce_PL> for me - the same - I have to kill file roller from console, cause system is freezed
[22:17] <wxl> emce_PL: only with drag and drop?
[22:17] <osmodivs> It says I dont have enough permissions
[22:17] <emce_PL> yes - normally  fileroller works perfect
[22:17] <wxl> huh
[22:18] <wxl> it is file roller
[22:18] <wxl> why the hell does the desktop file call it archive manager?
[22:18] <wxl> i hate that crap
[22:18] <wxl> anyways let's do a little bug search here..
[22:18] <osmodivs> I'll  do it again and write down the error message
[22:18] <wxl> can you guys confirm that if you browse for a directory and hit extract all is well?
[22:21] <emce_PL> I can confirm it - I use FR quite often, but after those crashes I didn't use d'n'd
[22:21] <wxl> k cool then at least i'm not alone on that
[22:22] <osmodivs> Ok, this is what I got after the freeze. EXTRACTION NOT PERFORMED: You don't have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder
[22:22] <wxl> seems to be a known bug
[22:23] <osmodivs> So I need to improvise then, eh?
[22:23] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/483541
[22:24] <wxl> yeah just extract by browsing for the location and hitting the icon
[22:24] <wxl> meanwhile i'd add your voice to that bug
[22:25] <osmodivs> wxl: Like ubuntu-bug?
[22:25] <wxl> sure or just do it through launchpad
[22:25] <wxl> and/or
[22:26] <wxl> emce_PL: i'd do the same since you're aware of this
[22:26] <wxl> i'll do it too
[22:27] <wxl> anyone else that experiences it, throw down
[22:27] <wxl> more people we have, the more likely it is to happen
[22:40] <wxl> ok, that sucked
[22:42] <emce_PL> what do you mean?
[22:43] <balt11t> Does Lubuntu have internet-sharing?


[06:16] <magespawn_window> morning all
[06:32] <Squirm> hello magespawn_window
[06:33] <magespawn_window> hey Squim
[06:33] <magespawn_window> Squirm even
[06:35] <Squirm> ^^
[06:35]  * Squirm yawns
[06:35] <Squirm> Friday
[06:35] <Squirm> she is going too slowly
[06:45] <superfly> it's not even 9am, and Friday is moving slowly already?
[08:36] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:37] <Banlam> o/
[09:17] <Kilos> bbl, be good
[09:43] <superfly> hiya ki
[10:42] <magespawn_window> superfly you got a moment?
[11:08] <superfly> magespawn_window: what's up?
[11:08] <magespawn_window> got a slight vpn problem with sending email
[11:09] <superfly> magespawn_window: uh, OK, can you describe the problem for me, being as detailed as possible?
[11:09] <magespawn_window> cannot send mail through a the smtp sever when connected to the vpn but can recieve
[11:10] <superfly> sending != receiving
[11:10] <magespawn_window> the error message is the smtp server cannot be contacted when on the vpn
[11:10] <superfly> what does your routing table look like?
[11:11] <magespawn_window> good question i do not know, i am on the hluhluwe end of the vpn
[11:11] <superfly> magespawn_window: route -n
[11:11] <magespawn_window> too little info probable
[11:11] <superfly> or route print on windows
[11:12] <magespawn_window> not on site at the moment, this is a little out of my league
[11:16] <magespawn_window> feel like i am fishing in the dark here
[11:19] <superfly> magespawn_window: unless you're on-site, you pretty much are fishing in the dark
[11:21] <magespawn_window> figured was kind of wishing for a simple answer like you have the wrong DNS server or something, never worked on or with a vpn before
[11:22] <magespawn_window> I wan to know everything it irrtates me immensly when i do not have an answer or at least a starting point
[11:22] <superfly> magespawn_window: it could be a wrong DNS server, presuming that the SMTP address is not the same as the POP3 address, but you actually haven't given me any real information
[11:23] <magespawn_window> not even sure what yo would need. pop3 is a specified ip address and the smtp is smtp.mweb.co.za
[11:24] <magespawn_window> what did you do to learn what you know?
[11:25] <superfly> well, there we go
[11:26] <magespawn_window> okay?
[11:26] <superfly> that's some information that I didn't have before. however, knowing the routing table would be quite helpful
[11:26] <magespawn_window> if i go back i will have a look and see
[11:27] <magespawn_window> would the vpn show up as a static route?
[11:27] <superfly> magespawn_window: if the dns server the PC is connecting to is on the internet, but the ip address is routed through the VPN, but the VPN doesn't have access to that ip address, you could get something like that
[11:31] <superfly> magespawn_window: try setting the smtp server to be an IP address
[11:32] <magespawn_window> the same as the pop3 or the ip of the mweb.co.za?
[11:33] <superfly> no, the ip address of smtp.mweb.co.za
[11:33] <superfly> is there an smtp server running on the same machine as the pop3 server?
[11:37] <magespawn_window> again no info about that
[11:38]  * superfly reboots in the hopes that he has successfully upgraded to precise beta 2
[11:43] <superfly> seems to have been successful
[11:45] <magespawn_window> superfly i would presume that there is i "think" they are running on microsoft exchange, but again do not have too much information. I feel more like a mushroom and less like Luke today.
[11:46] <superfly> magespawn_window: in general, the server you get your mail from is the place you should send your mail to
[11:47] <magespawn_window> that is the way I understood it
[11:54] <magespawn_window> but thanks for the time you have given me a bit more to wrok with
[11:54] <magespawn_window> work even
[11:55] <superfly> when it comes to VPNs, routing is generally the issue
[12:29] <magespawn_window> superfly does it make a differance what version of python you use?
[12:29] <superfly> wow tumbleweed, I didn't know you packaged PyPy for Ubuntu
[12:30] <superfly> magespawn_window: it totally depends on what version of Python you are learning
[12:30] <magespawn_window> is there a big change from one to the other?
[12:31] <superfly> magespawn_window: it depends on which versions you are talking about
[12:31] <magespawn_window> well the one that came with the book is 2.3 and i see on python.org that the latest stable is 2.7
[12:32] <magespawn_window> sorry 3.2
[12:32] <superfly> Uh, no, they are very different
[12:32] <superfly> but you want to actually use 2.7
[12:33] <magespawn_window> if i learn the one will be able to use the next is my main concern? or will they be too different?
[12:33] <magespawn_window> why 2.7 not 3.2?
[12:34] <superfly> you will be able to use the other
[12:34] <superfly> because 3.2 is still a dream and no one actually uses it for any real software
[12:34] <magespawn_window> i assume the ide of choice would also need to be updated then?
[12:40] <tumbleweed> superfly: :P
[12:40] <tumbleweed> I haven't touched it in weeks...
[13:22] <magespawn_window> superfly fyi this seems to be the same as what i was talking about earlier http://quomon.com/question-Need-to-access-Exchange-server-over-VPN-connection-4516.aspx
[13:35] <drubin> superfly: ping
[13:35] <drubin> superfly: Please make me an admin of Ubuntu za  group on fb.
[13:35] <drubin> nvm
[13:41] <magespawn_window> thats news to me
[13:47] <inetpro> magespawn_window: what's with the long nickname?
[13:47] <magespawn_window> i am on my windows machine
[13:47] <inetpro> magespawn_window: we don't do that here
[13:48] <magespawn_window> yup i know but the linux is at home and the droid does not work so well posting links and things
[13:49] <inetpro> so why should I care what platform you're on?
[13:51] <magespawn_window> its something Kilos started, i was also logging in at the same time
[13:51] <magespawn_window> on both
[13:57] <magespawn_window> i take it off if you want
[13:58] <kbmonkey> lol magespawn_window
[13:58] <magespawn_window> hi kbmonkey
[13:58] <kbmonkey> usually you just append '_' to your nick if you login twice
[13:59] <kbmonkey> I couldn't get that Ibid functionality to work yesterday :/
[14:00] <magespawn_window> do you know why?
[14:01] <kbmonkey> not too sure, tumble told me my code should workk
[14:02] <magespawn> May I have a look?
[14:03] <kbmonkey> sure, :) http://pastebin.com/aiRHNtMn
[14:03] <kbmonkey> you need Ibid installed to have the libraries import though
[14:04] <kbmonkey> simply put: my defaultHandler does not run when somebody joins the channel. that's all I need to happen.
[14:05] <magespawn> Is that all the code?
[14:05] <kbmonkey> yes
[14:06] <magespawn> Wow, really short.
[14:06] <kbmonkey> working thru Ibid Im doing unit tests
[14:06] <kbmonkey> that is the one test I cant seem to pass
[14:06] <magespawn> Must be a reason somewhere.
[14:06] <magespawn> Now just to find it.
[14:06] <kbmonkey> magespawn, have you ever 'import this' in the interactive python shell?
[14:07] <magespawn> No
[14:07] <kbmonkey> it's an egg
[14:08] <kbmonkey> well I think the reason is the Ibid core processes events, and sends it through to the bot if the bot is mentioned by name
[14:09] <kbmonkey> but if the bot is not mentioned, it does not get these events. that is what I like to happen
[14:10] <magespawn> Right you need it to happen whenever somebody joins etc regardless of saying the bots name.
[14:10] <magespawn> This is my first program http://pastebin.com/QN2ir3vY
[14:10] <magespawn> Let you know where I am at.
[14:11] <kbmonkey> yes you understand :)
[14:11] <kbmonkey> cool magespawn :D
[14:13] <magespawn> Could not tell the bot to check the channel logs every x seconds and it it finds something new ie a new nick then issue the greeting
[14:15] <magespawn> Lots of traffic
[14:26] <kbmonkey> I dont think Ibid supports that functionality yet
[14:31] <magespawn> Oh.
[14:58] <magespawn> I am out of here se you all later.
[15:55] <superfly> drubin: need any help?
[16:10] <drubin> superfly: I don't know how to invite every one from ubuntu-za and my personal friends to the event i created.
[16:10] <drubin> superfly: fb permisions seem broken
[16:11] <Kerbero> on my end facebook said you made it private, public and back to private again
[16:12] <Kerbero> isn't it maybe a slow update of permissions?
[16:25] <superfly> drubin: not at my PC right now, but I'll check when I get there.
[16:26] <superfly> last time I made an event it was weird for me too
[16:27] <drubin> Kerbero: i didn't make the event private I made the group private
[16:27] <Kerbero> uhm
[16:27] <Kerbero> ok
[16:27] <Kerbero> i was/am tired
[17:00] <magespawn> Evening all.
[17:02] <superfly> Hi magespawn
[17:03] <magespawn> Did you see earlier what kbmonkey was saying about the greeter idea?
[17:05] <superfly> maybe... When i'm back at my pc i'll have a look
[17:06] <magespawn> I do not understand enough yet to be able to help.
[17:13] <kbmonkey> hi hi
[17:14] <magespawn> Hi kbmonkey speak of the devil
[17:15] <superfly> now that I'm at my keyboard again...
[17:15] <kbmonkey> ah lo superfly
[17:16] <magespawn> We was just talking about you and the greeter problem
[17:16] <kbmonkey> yes, my unit test to monitor channel activity in Ibid
[17:17] <kbmonkey> I asked tumble about it, said my code should work.
[17:18] <superfly> kbmonkey: you can put both imports on the same line...
[17:19] <superfly> from ibid.plugins import Processor, handler
[17:19] <kbmonkey> I know, just following the PEP guide
[17:19] <superfly> kbmonkey: PEP8 says you can do that too
[17:19] <superfly> kbmonkey: PEP8 says you can't do "import os, sys"
[17:20] <kbmonkey> superfly, where does logging.debug() print out to?
[17:20] <superfly> kbmonkey: the log file
[17:21] <superfly> drubin: event seems fine now?
[17:22] <superfly> drubin: or do you specifically want to invite people?
[17:23] <magespawn> kbmonkey when you get it to work can you post the code?
[17:25] <kbmonkey> superfly, I updated the code to only print out logging.debug('state checking...') in my handler
[17:26] <kbmonkey> it does not appear in the logs/ibid.log
[17:26] <kbmonkey> the logging.ini seems ok
[17:27] <kbmonkey> that code runs fine *if* the bot is called by name (or in a pvt channel)
[17:27] <kbmonkey> but it does not run by itself when somebody joins the chan. and that is what I'm looking for
[17:45] <superfly> kbmonkey: as far as I can make out, a Processor only ever responds to direct addressing
[17:50] <Kilos> hiya superfly and others
[17:50] <Kilos> yo magespawn kbmonkey
[17:50] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[17:53] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[17:54] <superfly> kbmonkey: join ##kilos
[17:54] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:54] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[17:54] <psydroid> hi superfly
[17:54] <kbmonkey> hi psydroid
[17:55] <psydroid> hi kbmonkey
[17:55] <magespawn> Hi psydroid
[17:55] <Kilos> hey superfly who is the itwinkle there
[17:57] <magespawn> Channel Kilos?
[17:57] <Kilos> ##kilos
[17:57] <magespawn> Okay, did you make it Kilos?
[17:58] <Kilos> ya about a year ago magespawn
[17:58] <magespawn> Okay mind if I ask why?
[17:59] <Kilos> um... whew cant remember why anymore
[17:59] <Kilos> oh when msn wasnt working in aus
[18:00] <magespawn> Oh to talk to family?
[18:00] <Kilos> yip used to. but msn is working again
[18:00] <superfly> kbmonkey: join again?
[18:01] <Kilos> if i member right was a big job for me to get chanserv there as well
[18:01] <kbmonkey> ok
[18:01] <magespawn> Superfly you guys testing the bot there?
[18:02] <Kilos> mage cant you join?
[18:02] <kbmonkey> yebo
[18:02] <Kilos> go see
[18:02] <magespawn> Yes I can, but wanted to be sure I was welcome and would not get in the way.
[18:03] <kbmonkey> lol magespawn. we just join and leave the channel to see if the bot detects us
[18:03] <Kilos> you are welcome magespawn
[18:03] <magespawn> Ty
[18:03] <kbmonkey> yes come help us :)
[18:09] <kbmonkey> Im fresh out of idea of what to try
[18:09] <Kilos> no google info kbmonkey ?
[18:11] <magespawn> I am busy searching, sure somebody has done this before.
[18:11] <kbmonkey> I did try a search, couldnt find more than I did
[18:12] <Kilos> kbmonkey, its an ibid you wanna teach to greet hey?
[18:12] <kbmonkey> yes.
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I don't think the functionality is built into Ibid yet
[18:14] <Kilos> see if any of the designers are on irc somewhere
[18:14] <Kilos> whoever did the docs you been reading
[18:15] <magespawn> http://m.wikihow.com/Develop-an-IRC-Bot how's this?
[18:16] <magespawn> Does it have to be ibid?
[18:17] <Kilos> thats the one he is setting up
[18:17] <Kilos> cocooncrash, have you any idea how to setup an ibid as a greeter bot
[18:17] <Kilos> ?
[18:17] <kbmonkey> well magespawn I wanted to make maaz greet people
[18:17] <Kilos> or a link to show how
[18:17] <kbmonkey> specifically, so that's why it's Ibid
[18:17] <kbmonkey> I've done this fine with other bot frameworks
[18:18] <magespawn> Ahh right. I see.
[18:18] <kbmonkey> sure enough we can do it in another framework, but then to have a seperate bot for something so simple, is unneccesary
[18:19] <kbmonkey> plus it could familiarize people easier with who Maaz is
[18:19] <Kilos> lol its quite funny when peeps try chat maaz up
[18:20] <Kilos> i thought he was an arrogant peep when i first came here
[18:20] <magespawn> Indeed. I would also be interested in doing it for gc.
[18:20] <kbmonkey> he is! ibid keeps telling me he's not my bitch :p
[18:21] <Kilos> theres i nice challenge kbmonkey
[18:21] <magespawn> Did not find anythin useful for that but did find this http://code.he.net/?gclid=CLbou4uej68CFYdKpgodBXtXzQ
[18:21] <Kilos> be the first
[18:23] <kbmonkey> thanks for the encouragement Kilos
[18:25] <Kilos> its a python bot so tween the fly and cocoon and you something gotta work
[18:28] <magespawn> Maybe somebody in the python channel will know?
[18:33] <kbmonkey> my plan is to get the Ibid source and look at its structure
[18:47] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:47]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:47] <inetpro> Maaz: with condensed milk please
[18:47] <Maaz> inetpro: Go get it yourself!
[18:48] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:48] <inetpro> good evening everyone, and kilos
[18:50] <Kilos> evening inetpro
[18:50] <Kilos> 2 days no coffee
[18:50] <Kilos> my coffee use gets monitored here
[18:51] <Kilos> ohi Owkkuri
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: who cares
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[18:51] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:51] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:51] <Kilos> i sneek cups in pm
[18:51] <Kilos> sneak
[19:05] <Owkkuri> oh hai Kilos :P
[19:06] <Symmetria> heh
[19:06] <Symmetria> sup
[19:06]  * Symmetria is watching with baited breath to see what happens tomorrow
[19:06] <Owkkuri> wai?
[19:06] <Symmetria> prepared to bet that almost nothing will happen
[19:06] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/NKbnh8q8
[19:06] <Banlam> ?
[19:06] <Symmetria> read that
[19:06] <Symmetria> I dont think they will succeed
[19:06] <Symmetria> but it could get pretty nasty if they have enough distribution for those hosting the root servers
[19:07] <Symmetria> the caching resolvers will more than likely hold out though
[19:07]  * Banlam hopes not
[19:07]  * Banlam takes note of the IPs of a bunch of his favourite sites
[19:07] <Symmetria> banlam where are you situated btw?
[19:07] <Banlam> PE
[19:07] <Symmetria> and which ISP you on?
[19:08] <Symmetria> do me a favour, traceroute the IP of that L server listed int hat pastebin
[19:08] <Symmetria> and tell me where you end up
[19:08] <Banlam> 8ta - telkom soo
[19:08] <Banlam> kk]
[19:08] <Symmetria> chances are if you on 8ta you gonna go international though
[19:08] <Symmetria> Owkkuri what about you, which ISP you using?
[19:08] <Owkkuri> wa
[19:09] <Symmetria> do me a favour and traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:09] <Banlam> this is taking longer than it should...
[19:09] <Symmetria> banlam where is it going?
[19:10] <Owkkuri> hops from wa to tenet via cinx
[19:10] <Banlam> frankfurt
[19:10] <Banlam> prague
[19:10] <Symmetria> Owkkuri ok, so you're landing at the tenet ones
[19:10] <Symmetria> heh, telkom doesnt peer with anyone in .za so they are getting the international ones
[19:10] <Symmetria> chances are if the attacks do go ahead tomorrow, the rest of .za is gonna be in a much better position than telkom is
[19:10]  * Banlam sighs
[19:11] <Banlam> I'll login ot the varsity VPN then :)
[19:11] <Symmetria> because Im pretty confident on how those tenet l-root servers are configured, because I did that config before I left tenet
[19:11] <Symmetria> and I dont think this attack is going to hurt them
[19:12] <Owkkuri> we'll see then
[19:12] <Owkkuri> :P
[19:12] <magespawn> Symmetria thought you were still there. What you doing kow?
[19:12] <Owkkuri> i have my gf to keep me busy if it does go down ;)
[19:12] <magespawn> Lol
[19:12] <Owkkuri> laters
[19:13] <Banlam> what time is this internet down time expected?
[19:13] <Banlam> is it to tie in with Earth Hour :P
[19:16] <magespawn> And tomorrow in what time zone?
[19:35] <Symmetria> heh
[19:35] <Symmetria> magespawn I left tenet end of october already
[19:35] <Symmetria> Im in private contracting :)
[19:35] <Symmetria> the money is simply 2 good to do anything else
[19:35] <magespawn> Nice better pay? Better Hours?
[19:35] <Symmetria> work my own hours, from where I want, when I want, taking the contracts that I choose if I feel like it, and make more money than I can spend
[19:36] <magespawn> Nice
[19:36] <Symmetria> magespawn lol, my hourly rate is $250 an hour, most days I put in 4 hours work
[19:36] <magespawn> Dollars?
[19:36] <Symmetria> :p unless Im not in the mood and take the day off
[19:36] <Symmetria> yeah, I only bill in dollars
[19:37] <Symmetria> clients are mostly internationals and its easier to work in a single currency that everyone understands
[19:37] <magespawn> Lots of work here in SA?
[19:37] <Symmetria> magespawn *shrug* clients are spread all over the place, but the type of work I do can be done from anywhere
[19:37] <Banlam> $250/hour
[19:37]  * Banlam could live with that
[19:37] <Symmetria> there are days when I sit in a deckchair by the pool with a cold beer and my notebook and work like that :p
[19:38] <magespawn> Yes but where the majority of customers are usually affects billing currency.
[19:38] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, most of mine are spread around africa
[19:38] <Symmetria> africa is a very very very lucrative market at the moment
[19:38] <Symmetria> and the type of work I do, there are very few people who do what I do which makes it even more lucrative
[19:38] <magespawn> Sweet. I think if you went to parent/kid day most of the parents and all of the kids would want that job.
[19:39] <magespawn> Could you gives me a job title/discription?
[19:39] <Symmetria> heh magespawn the problem is that the type of work Im doing at the moment cant be taught, its learnt through experience
[19:39] <Symmetria> mmm I would call myself a technical business analyst I guess
[19:40] <Symmetria> basically I look at the networks and technologies deployed by companies and see if a.) does it meet the business requirements b.) is technical overspending to meet the business requirements c.) is business providing ENOUGH money to technical to meet their requirements
[19:40] <magespawn> Then someone like writes a book and then all of a sudden they are teaching it, like when you are 100
[19:40] <Symmetria> d.) are the policies and procedures in place to make sure that there is a meeting of the minds between business and technical
[19:41] <Symmetria> basically, Im acting as the bridge between the techies and the business people
[19:41] <magespawn> Ohh is that "all".
[19:41] <magespawn> Must fell like the middle east at times.
[19:41] <magespawn> Feel
[19:42] <Symmetria> heh magespawn nah, see, if you understand what each side wants, its not that hard to fit them together, the thing is, neither side understands the other so they need that bridge
[19:42] <Banlam> Symmetria, what are you driving these days?
[19:42] <Symmetria> banlam my 335i, till next year, Im putting money away for the replacement car, but wanna buy it cash and not quite there yet :)
[19:43] <Banlam> cool, what's the replacement going to be?
[19:43] <Symmetria> probably a corvette ZR1
[19:43] <Banlam> interesting
[19:43] <Symmetria> 0-100 in 3.0!
[19:43] <Symmetria> 6 litre dual supercharged!
[19:43] <Banlam> you're gonna have fun on those amazing EL roads
[19:43] <Banlam> although I guess you can always just drive down to the track
[19:43] <magespawn> Now cars I know a thing it two about. 911 gt3
[19:44]  * Banlam is not a porche fan
[19:44] <Banlam> not saying they're bad cars
[19:44] <Banlam> just don't like the look
[19:44] <Symmetria> magespawn I never liked the porches either
[19:44] <Symmetria> heh, I drove an aston vantage last week
[19:44] <Banlam> not a big corvette fan either if I'm honest :P
[19:44] <Banlam> nice
[19:44] <magespawn> Oh you mean the one that has not changed for ever
[19:44] <Symmetria> guy was selling it and I was tempted :p
[19:44] <Banlam> can imagine
[19:45] <Symmetria> heh banlam I was never a corvette fan till the ZR1 :p
[19:45] <Banlam> yeah
[19:45] <Banlam> i know it's got some great reviews and thigns
[19:45] <Banlam> but...
[19:45] <Banlam> it's a corvette
[19:45] <magespawn> I would rather get something like a scooby
[19:45] <Symmetria> ZR1 is a rather dramatic deviation from the old vette's (for one thing, it can actually go around a corner)
[19:45] <Banlam> scooby?
[19:45] <Banlam> heh
[19:45] <Banlam> subaru?
[19:46] <Symmetria> hate the subaru's
[19:46] <Symmetria> hate hate hate
[19:46] <magespawn> Subaru impreza wrx sti
[19:46] <Banlam> the new hatchbacky one?
[19:46] <Symmetria> heh, for me, my options at the moment for next car are the ZR1, an aston or the new M5
[19:46] <Banlam> or the older sedan one?
[19:47] <Symmetria> cant really think of anything else I'd want
[19:47] <magespawn> M5 is pretty nice
[19:47] <Banlam> I'd take the M5, don't see myself ever going the aston route
[19:47] <Banlam> i'd prefer osmething a little bit more low key
[19:47] <Banlam> and practical?
[19:48] <magespawn> Would you doing anything else to it or leave it stock?
[19:48] <Symmetria> LOL practical was never something Icared about :)
[19:48] <Symmetria> other than adding the factory options wouldnt do anything to it
[19:48] <Symmetria> though BMW has some nifty options available :p
[19:48] <Symmetria> like the racing chip I had them stick in my 335i lol
[19:49] <Symmetria> I've crossed the 300kph mark in my 335 after they put that chip in it
[19:49] <Banlam> where? N2?
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh nope, on the road to windhoek in namibia
[19:50] <Banlam> ah :)
[19:50] <Banlam> that makes more sense
[19:50] <Banlam> less to crash into
[19:50] <magespawn> There some nice non standerd things you can do to an m5
[19:50] <Symmetria> dead straight, wide, no traffic, flat, can see for miles :p
[19:51] <magespawn> They do the super car testing up that way
[19:51] <Banlam> in the northern cape
[19:52] <Banlam> but i think symmetria was in Namibia itself
[19:52] <Symmetria> yeah I was
[19:52] <Symmetria> no cops out there :P just the occasional lion that woulda eaten the cop
[19:52] <Symmetria> lol
[19:52] <magespawn> I could not leave a car like that alone, would be voiding warrenties and all sorts
[19:53] <Symmetria> heh
[19:53] <Symmetria> wanna see something truely sick?
[19:53] <Symmetria> http://iris.tenet.ac.za/routers/graphs24.php <[19:53] <Symmetria> and look at that graph :P
[19:53] <Symmetria> might take a while to draw it, one hel of a lot of data behind those graphs
[19:54] <Symmetria> (really really need to write an aggregation script for that crap)
[19:55] <superfly> Symmetria: I thought you moved on from TENET?
[19:56] <Symmetria> superfly heh I did, I do a LOT of contracting for their upstream though
[19:56] <Symmetria> and some for them directly
[19:56] <superfly> Ah, OK.
[19:56] <Symmetria> that graphs script is being drawn from the upstream though
[19:57]  * superfly is on his phone currently
[19:57] <Banlam> what connection is that?
[19:57] <Symmetria> heh banlam thats the peering with google in london :p
[19:57] <Banlam> ic
[19:59] <Kilos> magespawn, wb
[19:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:59] <superfly> Night Kilos
[19:59] <magespawn> Night kilos
[20:01]  * Symmetria cleans out that database that draws those graphs a bit
[20:02] <Symmetria> heh 15 million records is a bit to much to process
[20:03] <Banlam> shucks
[20:03] <Banlam> nice resolution though
[20:03] <Symmetria> heh Im just deleteing data older than a month
[20:03] <Symmetria> actually deleting everything pre 1 feb
[20:03] <Symmetria> make that pre 1 march :p
[20:03] <Banlam> just delete every 4/5 entries :)
[20:04] <Banlam> or do you need that resolution for something?
[20:04] <Symmetria> mysql> delete from MacData where MONTH(timestamp) < 03 and YEAR(timestamp)= 2012;
[20:04] <Symmetria> heh I need to run an aggregation to keep the older data for stuff older than 24 hours at a lower res
[20:04] <Banlam> yeah
[20:04] <Banlam> what is the time difference between each recording?
[20:04] <Symmetria> right now its keeping 5 minute samples per peer going back 3 months normally
[20:05] <Banlam> so that's 30 000 a day
[20:05] <Banlam> erm
[20:05] <Banlam> no
[20:05] <Banlam> 480 a day
[20:05] <Banlam> that's not that bad
[20:05] <Symmetria> heh, per peer its 288 a day
[20:05] <Symmetria> x 400 odd peers
[20:05] <Symmetria> = 100k + records a day
[20:06] <Symmetria> * 90 days
[20:06] <Symmetria> = shitload of records :p
[20:06] <Banlam> but that graphs just for one peer
[20:06] <Symmetria> banlam yeah but you can pick any of those ips
[20:06] <Symmetria> and it will give you a graph
[20:06] <Symmetria> all same database
[20:06] <Banlam> sure
[20:06] <Symmetria> mysql> delete from MacData where MONTH(timestamp) < 02 and YEAR(timestamp)= 2012;
[20:06] <Symmetria> Query OK, 3235343 rows affected (2 min 14.15 sec)
[20:06] <Symmetria> mysql> delete from MacData where MONTH(timestamp) < 03 and YEAR(timestamp)= 2012;
[20:06] <Symmetria> Query OK, 5157286 rows affected (2 min 56.56 sec)
[20:06] <Symmetria> should be faster now ;p
[20:06] <Banlam> :)
[20:07] <Symmetria> heh trashing the last stuff outta 2011 as well
[20:07] <Symmetria> mysql> delete from MacData where MONTH(timestamp) < 12 and YEAR(timestamp) <= 2011;
[20:07]  * Symmetria waits
[20:07] <Symmetria> :p
[20:08] <Symmetria> am gonna write something that performs an aggregation at midnight every night and aggregates everything older than 24 hours to 10 minute samples and everything older than a month to 30 minute samples
[20:11] <Banlam> so you do quite a bit of contract work for tenet still?
[20:15] <Symmetria> on and off, a lot of the work I do with tenet is actually for the alliance
[20:15] <Symmetria> since tenet is a member of the ubuntunet alliance and the alliance contracts out work to them
[20:15] <Banlam> right
[20:19] <Symmetria> heh
[20:19] <Symmetria> that database is actually collecting stats for 1288 mac addresses
[20:19] <Symmetria> so 370k entries a day
[20:19] <Symmetria> oh 1218
[20:19] <Symmetria> mysql> select count(distinct(macaddress)) from MacData;
[20:19] <Symmetria> +-----------------------------+
[20:19] <Symmetria> | count(distinct(macaddress)) |
[20:19] <Symmetria> +-----------------------------+
[20:19] <Symmetria> |                        1218 |
[20:19] <Symmetria> +-----------------------------+
[20:28] <magespawn> .night all
[22:34] <magespawn> kbmonkey : ping
[22:37] <magespawn> Maaz tell kbmonkey there has to be some code sending the info to the logs, if you can change it so the it send it to the bot at the same time with the bots name attached then the bot should respond to that as if the person had called the bot. Just a thought.
[22:37] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[22:38] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[22:38] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn


[15:11] <johnc4510> gooood morning all
[15:15] <tyche> Morning.
[15:17] <johnc4510> hey bud
[15:18] <johnc4510> i moved the Eucalytus piece from GCN to New in Jaunty
[15:18] <nizarus> morning johnc4510
[15:18] <johnc4510> getting ready to work on new ubuntu members summaries i just got in mail
[15:18] <johnc4510> nizarus: hi
[15:18] <johnc4510> :)
[15:18] <nizarus> johnc4510, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2009-March/000434.html
[15:18] <johnc4510> what's up
[15:18] <johnc4510> looking
[15:19] <nizarus> is it sweet for UWN or the fridge ?
[15:19] <tyche> Oh, that's fine.
[15:19] <nizarus> or bothe :p
[15:20] <johnc4510> nizarus: yeah i saw that one this morning a little earlier. Didn't we cover that already in UWN?? or is this something different ??
[15:20] <johnc4510> looked like a recap to me, but i could be wrong
[15:21] <nizarus> johnc4510, we just announced it on UWN with a little abstruct
[15:21] <nizarus> here is a more detailled report
[15:22] <johnc4510> k, let me take a better look at it in a bit then. thx :)
[15:26] <nizarus> ok johnc4510, and here what we wrote about it : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue123#Tunisian%20Team%20Events%20in%20December
[15:26] <johnc4510> k thx :)
[15:32] <johnc4510> tyche: where's everyone?
[15:32] <johnc4510> lol
[15:32] <johnc4510> sleeping in?
[15:33] <tyche> Maybe.  I was, until about the time you said "Good morning".
[15:34] <johnc4510> ah
[15:34] <tyche> It's NICE being retired.
[15:34] <johnc4510> late for you
[15:34] <johnc4510> yep, i guess
[15:34] <johnc4510> hee hee
[15:34] <tyche> Well, I was up earlier, to give Moonlight her medication, then went back to bed
[15:34] <johnc4510> nods
[15:34] <tyche> And yes, she's doing MUCH better.
[15:36] <johnc4510> great
[15:36] <johnc4510> :)
[15:36] <tyche> brb
[15:36] <johnc4510> k
[15:37] <tyche> back
[15:37] <johnc4510> k
[16:04] <johnc4510> ok, new ubuntu member summaries are up now
[16:05] <kennymc0> cool
[16:11] <tyche> Launchpad news is in.
[16:18] <johnc4510> k thx
[16:20] <myrtlebeachbums> I'm working on the last ITP article and then that will be pasted in.
[16:26] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums: thx
[16:41] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: ping
[16:48] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: nm
[16:48] <tyche> ARGLE, ARGLE, ARGLE.  kennymc0 is hogging the editing.  Hee hee
[16:48] <johnc4510> yeah, i see
[16:49] <tyche> Well, I could always go shave while I'm waiting for him.
[16:49] <johnc4510> tyche: you go ahead after him, i need a small relief break anyway
[16:49] <tyche> bbiab
[16:49] <johnc4510> lol k
[16:55] <tyche> back
[16:55] <kennymc0> i'm out of edit tyche
[16:55] <kennymc0> was fixing the formatting on the upcoming events
[16:56] <tyche> Yea, and now johnc4510 is hogging the edit.  LOL
[16:56] <kennymc0> lol
[16:56] <johnc4510> i'm out tyche
[16:57] <kennymc0> uh oh i better jump in really quick before tyche gets to it
[16:57] <kennymc0> lol
[16:57] <tyche> kennymc0: what needed doing on the upcoming events?
[16:57] <johnc4510> he's adding the "all day" events
[16:57] <kennymc0> he put each heading for the event as [16:57] <kennymc0> and put it on each one
[16:58] <johnc4510> ah
[16:58] <kennymc0> mr johnc4510 it says that you are still in edit
[16:58] <tyche> BTW, johnc4510, you are NOT out.  At least according to the heading on the edit page
[16:58] <johnc4510> nope
[16:58] <tyche> kennymc0: you mean he didn't space-asterisk?  he just asterisked?
[16:58] <johnc4510> not in
[16:59] <tyche> This page was opened for editing or last previewed at 2009-03-08 09:53:43 by John Crawford.
[16:59] <tyche> You should refrain from editing this page for at least another 5 minute(s), to avoid editing conflicts.
[16:59] <tyche> To leave the editor, press the Cancel button.
[16:59] <johnc4510> i just checked
[16:59] <johnc4510> not in
[16:59] <kennymc0> he put [16:59] <johnc4510> lol
[16:59] <johnc4510> ah
[16:59] <tyche> AH.  I never caught that.  Sorry.
[16:59] <johnc4510> ok, kennymc0 you need to show him about that
[17:00] <kennymc0> i will
[17:00] <johnc4510> k
[17:00] <kennymc0> johnc4510: it still says you are in edit
[17:00] <johnc4510> i'm NOT
[17:00] <kennymc0> and it jsut went up to 10 min now
[17:00] <johnc4510> for the final time lol
[17:01] <tyche> Yea, yea, yea.
[17:01] <tyche> (Hmmm.  I'm a Beatle?)
[17:01] <kennymc0> it went from 4 min up to 10 min so you must have done something
[17:01] <johnc4510> refresh you page please
[17:01] <johnc4510> rofl
[17:01] <kennymc0> still the same thing
[17:02] <kennymc0> 9 min now
[17:02] <johnc4510> ok, just go ahead then and edit
[17:02] <johnc4510> should be ok
[17:02] <kennymc0> yeah i'll just edit it and if somehting gets messed up i know who to blame :P
[17:03] <johnc4510> :)
[17:05] <kennymc0> all day events are now in with all the information that was included in the calender about them
[17:05] <johnc4510> k
[17:05] <johnc4510> and no edit conflicts?
[17:05] <kennymc0> which was absolutely no extra info
[17:05] <kennymc0> not that i saw
[17:05] <johnc4510> so i was out
[17:05] <johnc4510> lol
[17:05] <kennymc0> likely excuse
[17:05] <johnc4510> i have done this a couple of times before  rofl
[17:06] <kennymc0> ....uh huh.........ok...........ssuuuurrrreee..........
[17:06] <johnc4510> issue 146 or 148 will be my 100th
[17:06] <kennymc0> which is all the more reason why you would rig it so that it would look likeyou were always in so that no one else would edit so you could go in real quick to finish your work
[17:07] <johnc4510> :)
[17:07] <tyche> Yea, even after kennymc0 got out it was STILL saying johnc4510 was in.  There's something fishy here.
[17:08] <kennymc0> yeah
[17:08] <johnc4510> yeah, im in
[17:08] <johnc4510> tyche: ok, i just saved
[17:08] <johnc4510> and am out
[17:09] <tyche> That's OK, it left mine in.
[17:45] <kennymc0> johnc4510: let me know when you are out
[17:46] <tyche> WHAT???  AGAIN???  LOL
[17:47] <kennymc0> yeah he's making it difficult
[17:48] <myrtlebeachbums> Funny, I was just going to say the same thing.
[17:48] <kennymc0> i guess i'll just give up and finish the next one and see if i can get in after that one
[17:48] <kennymc0> maybe i'll get lucky
[17:48] <myrtlebeachbums> Okay, after johnc4510 stops hogging things, LMK when you're out kennymc0.
[17:48] <myrtlebeachbums> :)
[17:49] <johnc4510> kennymc0: i'm out now
[17:49] <kennymc0> you sure?
[17:49] <tyche> And we're supposed to believe that?
[17:50] <kennymc0> i'm with tyche
[17:50] <kennymc0> how are we supposed to believe you
[17:50] <kennymc0> we have been misled before
[17:51] <myrtlebeachbums> If you don't quit picking on johnc4510 and post what you've got, I'm going in ahead of you. ;)
[17:51] <tyche> Um.  kennymc0, I think you should take not of the word at the beginning of johnc4510's title:  CHIEF.  We're just workers.  Do you REALLY want to make the boss irate?
[17:51] <tyche> He might cut your pay.
[17:53] <myrtlebeachbums> Gee, and our salaries just doubled with the shiny new titles on the contacts page too.
[17:53] <tyche> kennymc0: "than to havke to configure" should be "than to have to configure"
[17:54] <tyche> That's in "Hive Five: Best Home Server Software"
[17:54] <myrtlebeachbums> Helpful tip - gedit does have spell checking, but you need to turn it on manually for each thing you open.
[17:54] <myrtlebeachbums> When gedit gets wiki highlighting, it'll be perfect.
[17:55] <tyche> I wonder if that could be arrainged for VIM
[17:56] <myrtlebeachbums> Maybe.
[17:57] <kennymc0> ok i'm out
[17:57] <tyche> There are a lot of plugins for that, for highlighting code.
[17:57] <myrtlebeachbums> I used to really like joe before I started understanding vim more. Why did I like joe? Because it used the same commands that Wordstar used oh.... almost 30 years ago.
[17:57] <kennymc0> ugh i'm being dragged away from my computer now
[17:58] <kennymc0> looks like i wont be able to finsih the other one either
[17:58] <myrtlebeachbums> GAH!
[17:58] <kennymc0> having to fix stuff around the house
[17:58] <myrtlebeachbums> Now Liraz is in.
[17:58] <kennymc0> gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:58] <myrtlebeachbums> I'll take it.
[18:04] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums: let me know when your out please
[18:04] <johnc4510> thx
[18:05] <myrtlebeachbums> I'm out johnc4510
[18:05] <johnc4510> k
[21:17] <johnc4510> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[21:17] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue132


[09:14] <solsTiCe> ok. I was suspecting something related with x backdoor. That package is sued in AUR from archlinux
[12:03] <sudip> launchapd is down for me. is it only me ?
[12:03] <ahasenack> nope, it's down
[12:03] <sudip> yes, just saw that at https://status.canonical.com/
[13:23] <Md> is there still time to have cfrpki removed from noble? it is dead upstream and unmaintained and I had already removed it from Debian
[13:24] <Md> gortr too
[14:14] <jbicha> Md: Ubuntu archive admins still process removals in Ubuntu using the list of removals in Debian until closer to release. But archive admins & others have been very busy with all the bootstrapping work on top of usual responsibilities
[14:14] <jbicha> I expect those removals to be processed in Ubuntu without any work needed from you
[14:15] <Md> OK, thank you
[23:13] <RAOF> _Ideally_ you'd file a LP bug against the package asking for removal and subscribe ubuntu-archive; that makes it easy to find the justification, ask any necessary follow-up questions, etc.
[23:46] <dbungert> vorlon: I think you requested something like this https://code.launchpad.net/~dbungert/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/463442


[17:05] <BerndSch> ajmitch: hello, I dare hardly to ask, but I still couldn't find my sshsearch lens in the software center of 12.04. :-( I have to check 12.10, but I doubt that I will find it there or am I wrong?
[19:00] <ajmitch> BerndSch: interesting, it may be one where we have to poke one of the myapps developers to change manually until myapps is changed to let us edit published records
[22:32] <cwayne> ajmitch: hello
[23:09] <BerndSch> ajmitch: so you will check this again? I really would like to see my lens in 12.04 and 12.10
[23:23] <cwayne> BerndSch: i'm seeing it in the extras repo


[02:14] <Vanilla|Frz> bhearsum: hi tol
[02:15] <Vanilla|Frz> bhearsum: it's me, Francis
[02:15] <Vanilla|Frz> can someone please help me?
[04:05] <bhearsum> hey
[04:06] <bhearsum> kumusta ka na? what's up?
[04:06] <bhearsum> oh...naalis na siya