[00:49] <jbicha> duflu: good morning
[00:50] <jbicha> are you interested in merging mpv for the libva transition in bionic?
[00:51] <jbicha> also we had someone complaining about window decorations for mpv (but I don't use mpv) https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2376602
[00:57] <duflu> jbicha, maybe... and yeah lack of server side window decorations is a Wayland "feature" for now
[03:09] <JanC> jbicha / duflu: people can get window decorations for mpv on Wayland by adding a 'vo=x11' line in '~/.config/mpv/mpv.conf', which makes it use XWayland  :)
[03:09] <JanC> it's not perfect, but it works...
[03:10] <jbicha> that user claimed that he was sure he was using Wayland mpv with decorations on Arch
[03:14] <JanC> well, I switched from Wayland back to X11 because it has too many bugs still...
[03:16] <duflu> JanC, if I recall correctly that will disable hardware acceleration support. Because Xwayland only supports DRI3 and VAAPI only supports DRI2
[03:16] <duflu> So not an option we can recommend
[03:17] <JanC> hm, I think mpv said it was using vaapi, but I'm not 100% sure
[03:17] <duflu> JanC, interesting. Please do check
[03:17] <JanC> maybe only for decoding
[03:19] <duflu> JanC, or try just comparing CPU usage in 'top'
[03:19] <duflu> *and* try just comparing CPU usage in 'top
[03:19] <duflu> '
[03:20] <JanC> I might be totally wrong, but IIRC VAAPI can decode straight to video memory, or into a buffer, so possibly they use VAAPI for decoding, then copy to the screen buffer, or something?
[03:20] <JanC> which would of course cause higher CPU too
[03:23] <JanC> or they use OpenGL and VAAPI decodes into an OpenGL buffer (or whatever it's called)
[03:23] <JanC> duflu: if I remember next time I (have to) reboot I'll try
[03:24] <JanC> but I'm happy I don't have to reboot every 1-3 days as with Wayland  :P
[03:24] <JanC> on X11
[03:24] <duflu> JanC, yes all VAAPI use cases decode straight into video memory. At least the ones we use. There is no distinction there
[03:26] <duflu> One of the reasons why we never had hardware accelerated video decoding till 17.10 was that nobody knew or could tell if it was ON or OFF already. So I have tried to cover that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo
[03:27] <duflu> Essentially you should always have single digit CPU usage or close to it. If not, then something still needs improving
[03:28] <JanC> on Wayland the desktop gets unusably slow very quickly (sometimes after less than a day), and if I don't reboot myself in that case it hangs at some point with "Key repeat discarded, Wayland compositor doesn't seem to be processing events fast enough!" errors in dmesg
[03:28] <JanC> (I still have to file a bug about that)
[03:29] <JanC> "hangs" = doesn't update the screen; apps keep running, as e.g. music keeps playing
[03:30] <duflu> JanC, OK that's a completely different topic.... if you find that relates to memory usage of the gnome-shell process then subscribe here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1672297
[03:32] <JanC> I'm not sure what causes it (I switched to X11 to see if it was Wayland-only, and that was 8 days ago ;) )
[03:34] <JanC> I'll look at that bug and see if I can confirm it's related, but that was just to explain why I haven't been using Wayland while trying to get some work done :)
[03:38] <JanC> mpv has some "vaapi-copy" mode for hardware decoding ("copies video back into system RAM (Linux with Intel  GPUs only)" according to the manpage)
[03:38] <JanC> I'm not sure exactly what it does or how it works  :)
[03:39] <roasted> a 4k video with vaapi results in about 3% CPU usage on an i5 7200u processor
[03:39] <roasted> same video with vaapi-copy, 19%
[03:39] <roasted> no hardware accel (software only), ~60%
[03:40] <roasted> not to mention my battery life went from 18 hours (idle) to 14:30 using vaapi, and 7:30 using software accel (no hardware accel)
[03:41] <roasted> I was pretty certain I had window decorations working with mpv in Antergos + Wayland and was using gpu-context=wayland in my mpv.conf, but later I began to get errors when I launched mpv with gpu-context=wayland in mpv.conf
[03:42] <roasted> I have no idea if I was troubleshooting too much at once and messed up my interpretation or if I got updates later that made it different, I'm not sure.
[03:45] <duflu> Yes roughly speaking, vaapi is an order of magnitude more efficient than vaapi-copy, and vaapi-copy another order of magnitude more efficient than software
[03:45] <roasted> The only downside I've seen is some youtube videos impose heavy gray artifacts when using vaapi. Not all, but some.
[03:46] <roasted> https://i.imgur.com/kBd3wf1.png
[03:46] <roasted> for local videos, and most online videos, it's brilliant.
[03:47] <JanC> that looks like there might have been video corruption
[03:47] <roasted> could be. If I comment out vaapi lines in my mpv.conf and rerun the same video in mpv, it's fine.
[03:47] <JanC> I mean, dropped frames, or such
[03:48] <roasted> albeit with my proc zooming but it functions
[03:48] <duflu> roasted, I will try to look into the grey corruption this week
[03:48] <roasted> regarding the GTK3 patch, it was my understanding that the patch introduces SSD via a KDE Protocol, thus allowing Wayland and apps like MPV to coexist.
[03:49] <roasted> my confusion that sparked the forum post was the fact that I didn't see anything really change.
[03:49] <roasted> I can bounce over to my Antergos partition and re-test then. I've been meaning to take another look sometime tonight. But if it's broken there then it stands to reason it could be a waiting for upstream thing yet.
[03:50] <roasted> duflu: pardon my ignorance, are you an mpv dev? mpv packager for ubuntu?
[03:50] <duflu> roasted, presently jack of all trades, and specifically responsible for Ubuntu hardware acceleration across the board
[03:50] <roasted> ah. well. kudos. :) loving it.
[03:51] <duflu> Not an upstream mpv dev
[03:51] <duflu> roasted, cool. Me too. I think people fail to realize it's not just about using less power, but also that modern 4K videos are simply unplayable without it
[03:52] <duflu> (modern = H.265/HEVC)
[03:52] <roasted> yeah. I hear you. I've been less-than-thrilled by some projects (ahem, mpv) insistance on pushing forth software acceleration
[03:52] <roasted> I've shot a lot of 4k video over the last week and it's certainly a necessity at this point
[03:53] <duflu> Interestingly somewhat by luck it's a technology feature Ubuntu introduced at about the same time as Apple did in High Sierra
[03:53] <JanC> I guess the grey corruption stuff could also happen when VAAPI doesn't implement some decoder feature, or implements it incorrectly
[03:53] <roasted> duflu: if there's anything within the capabilities of a "pretty fluent end-user" that I can do to test or help out regarding this please ping me. :)
[03:54] <duflu> roasted, OK thanks. Actually if you have raw HEVC files from an iPhone 8/X or from a GoPro Hero6 I would like some for testing
[03:54] <roasted> duflu: FYI, that gray artifact stuff, I noticed it happening a lot on youtube's more popular/top charted/main page vevo videos. One of Taylor Swift's recent music videos was where I snapped that imgur shot.
[03:54] <roasted> well, dang. not an iphone user, and a gopro is on my christmas list. :(
[03:55] <roasted> I just have a moto g5 atm
[03:55] <duflu> Such is the modern era; everything is on YouTube and people don't share their actual files. So I haven't found any to test with
[03:56] <roasted> I don't even know anybody with an iphone, sans a few users on very old models
[03:56] <roasted> nothing recent though
[03:57] <JanC> roasted: probably important to know what video quality you were playing too...
[03:57] <JanC> as YT usually has many
[03:57] <roasted> JanC: playing? I'm not sure. I didn't set anything in particular in my mpv.conf
[03:57] <roasted> I wonder what mpv in 17.10 repos && what mc3man's PPA of mpv default to
[03:57] <JanC> IIRC mpv uses the highest by default
[03:58] <JanC> for some value of "highest"
[03:58] <JanC> or maybe youtube-dl's default, which is that
[03:59] <roasted> could be. I'm not sure offhand. I recall seeing some flags to call specific qualities, though...
[04:00] <JanC> when run from the commandline, it can tell you the exact URL
[04:00] <JanC> which might be useful for duflu to get the same
[04:02] <JanC> (he can even download it then)
[06:44] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:47] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:50] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, good afternoon!
[07:14] <didrocks> good morning
[07:23] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:24] <didrocks> ça va oSoMoN ?
[07:24] <oSoMoN> bien, et toi?
[07:25] <didrocks> j'ai été au lit tout le week-end :/
[07:25] <didrocks> fièvre et rhino
[07:25] <didrocks> je commence tout juste à émerger
[07:34] <oSoMoN> ah merde, pas cool
[07:35] <didrocks> on survivra :)
[07:39] <oSoMoN> bon rétablissement!
[07:45] <didrocks> merci ;)
[07:48] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:48] <seb128> lut didrocks oSoMoN
[07:52] <jamesh> hi seb128
[07:53] <seb128> hey jamesh, how are you?
[07:54] <jamesh> good.  Went for another ride yesterday training for a charity bike ride later this month
[07:54] <jamesh> 60 km around the river
[07:56] <seb128> nice
[07:57] <jamesh> the charity ride is going to be 70 km, but should be a bit easier, going on roads and not having to stop as much
[09:02] <Guest86060> ahoy there
[09:02] <Guest86060> GOD
[09:02] <Guest86060> THIS AGAIN
[09:03] <Guest86060> i should fix that logon thing
[09:03]  * Laney tries to remember how to do that
[09:05] <jamesh> setting your nickserv password as the irc network password seems to be the most reliable option
[09:06] <Laney> nick:password
[09:06] <Laney> I remember, a couple of weeks ago I switched to the SSL certificate thing and it doesn't work properly for me
[09:06]  * Laney tries
[09:07] <Laney> seemed to work
[09:24] <willcooke> morning all
[09:28] <jibel> morning willcooke
[09:30] <willcooke> hi jibel, wb
[09:30] <willcooke> good hols?  How did the move go?
[09:30] <jibel> holidays were fantastic. Sun and high temperature end of October is priceless
[09:31] <jibel> and the move is done, one more before next :)
[09:33] <willcooke> :)_
[09:37] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:37] <seb128> lut jibel
[09:41] <Merlijn_S> I found a potentially critical issue: Ubuntu 17.10 fails to boot after a firmware update: https://github.com/rhboot/fwupdate/issues/86
[09:41] <oSoMoN> salut jibel !
[09:42] <Merlijn_S> I had this issue myself, and now another user has reported the same issue.
[09:42] <Merlijn_S> Bug in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fwupd/+bug/1730343
[09:43] <Merlijn_S> Sadly, there is no way to debug this issue because Ubuntu _still_ doesn't preserve logs from previous boot..
[09:43] <Merlijn_S> It might be a good idea to disable firmware update in the software center until this issue is resolved.
[09:45] <duflu> Hmm, I didn't know it was even an option to forget history. Seems we do (journalctl --list-boots)
[09:47] <Merlijn_S> The issue with forgetting history is reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1618188
[09:48] <Merlijn_S> The fix is incredibly simple, but they don't want to enable it because that might cause some logs to be written to disk twice.
[09:49] <Merlijn_S> max 2x disk space for logs seems like a small price to pay for the benefits of being able to debug fwupd, but that's another issue..
[09:50] <Merlijn_S> Can I do something else to get the desktop team's attention for the fwupd issue, or do they check this channel regularly?
[09:52] <duflu> Merlijn_S, they should mostly be here now (mostly in Europe)
[09:52] <Merlijn_S> Great, thx
[09:53] <duflu> Merlijn_S, although as is always the case, it's not that simple. It seems to be in the hands of the Ubuntu foundations people, not desktop :)
[09:53] <Merlijn_S> How do you mean?
[09:54] <duflu> And foundations sounds right. Foundations = internals, Desktop = graphical etc
[09:54] <Merlijn_S> oh, ok
[09:56] <duflu> Merlijn_S, try emailing Dimitri and Bryan directly, I recommend
[09:56] <duflu> Likely they just lost the email thread for the bug
[10:01] <Merlijn_S> Which Bryan are you talking about?
[10:02] <duflu> Merlijn_S, the only one mentioned in the bug :)
[10:03] <Merlijn_S> oh, ok, I searched the thread for "brian" instead of "bryan" xD
[10:18] <jbicha> good morning
[10:30] <willcooke> morning jbicha
[10:32] <jbicha> Merlijn_S: did you link to the wrong github issue for 1730343 ?
[10:34] <Merlijn_S> Yes, my bad!
[10:36] <Merlijn_S> jbicha: fixed, thanks!
[11:27] <Laney> Merlijn_S: what about pulling this bad update from the LVFS?
[11:28] <oSoMoN> seb128, do you know what keeps re-triggering the amd64 build for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.2-0ubuntu2 ?
[11:28] <oSoMoN> there's a consistent unit test failure for which I'm backporting a debian patch, rebuilding over and over won't help
[11:31] <jbicha> oSoMoN: I did a rebuild once on Saturday because sometimes LO has a one-time test failure, but other people have clicked the retry button since
[11:37] <oSoMoN> ack, so anyone please refrain from retrying that, I'll have another upload ready during the day
[11:42] <jbicha> I clicked Cancel on that build now
[12:01] <Merlijn_S> Laney: It's not caused by the update itself, it seems, it's more of a race condition in fwupd itself. The annoying thing is that I can't reproduce it by downgrading and upgrading again, but another user has it too, so it's obviously still happening..
[12:21] <seb128> oSoMoN, likely people who are unsure of the issue is transient or not and want to see the build green so do a retry to see
[12:21] <seb128> oSoMoN, I've been one of those :p
[12:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, I assumed that it failed to build realiably on amd64 you would have hit that issue before upload so that it meant that it's probably random
[12:22] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, looks like the issue is due to another update in the archive, although the upstream patch in debian doesn't elaborate on which
[12:23] <oSoMoN> it was building in my PPA before the upload
[12:23] <seb128> k
[12:23] <seb128> start of cycle fun :p
[12:23] <seb128> things keep changing under you
[12:24] <oSoMoN> what I don't understand though is that the new test build in my PPA which I uploaded 6+ hrs ago failed (for another reason apparently), and when I went back to it to see the log I saw that it had been restarted
[12:25] <oSoMoN> so now I don't have a build log, and I have to wait for another 6 hours
[12:25] <seb128> is that your own ppa?
[12:25] <seb128> or a team one?
[12:25] <oSoMoN> yes, my own
[12:25] <seb128> weird :-/
[12:25] <seb128> that's worth asking on #launchpad how that's possible
[12:26] <oSoMoN> and no, my other schizophrenic self didn't retry it
[12:26] <seb128> the one reason I could see if that they had an infra issue and decided to restart the build from everything that hit it
[12:26] <seb128> but I would ask on #launchpad, just feels weird to me
[12:26] <oSoMoN> yes, I'll do that
[12:34] <seb128> thanks
[16:21] <oSoMoN> seb128, so according to Colin, what happened in my
[16:21] <oSoMoN> PPA can happen if the build crashes the builder
[16:21] <oSoMoN> (stupid misplaced return key)
[16:22] <oSoMoN> or if LP looses connectivity to the builder for too long
[16:57] <seb128> oSoMoN, oh ok, good to know
[16:57] <seb128> I guess they consider it as a builder issue and auto retry in such cases?
[16:58] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, and when the builder crashes the logs can't be retrieved anyway, so it makes sense to trigger a new build
[17:37] <oSoMoN> have a good evening everyone!
[20:47] <willcooke> night all


[11:58] <Seveas> gnomefreak, he's at 10 mill
[11:58] <gnomefreak> thats 10 million :(
[11:58] <gnomefreak> omg
[11:58] <JoeyStanford> Karma:  10011469
[11:58] <Seveas> yes, omg indeed
[11:58] <sabdfl> dsas: what is your malone wishlist?
[11:59] <Seeker`> Dsas is really helpful
[11:59] <dsas> uhm, to be easier to use, I'm still not convinced that it's obvious how to change the status for example.
[11:59] <frederific> he is IMMENSELY, he's never off #ubuntu-uk, and he's helped me out a good few times
[12:00] <frederific> (helpful)
[12:00] <dsas> I've had to point out how to do that to a few people in #ubuntu-bugs now
[12:00] <sabdfl> +1 from me on the basis of a very clear sustained contribution
[12:00] <sabdfl> and dsas, please help us make it better!
[12:00] <mako> yes, it all looks very great
[12:00] <mako> dsas: thanks for all of your work
[12:01] <dsas> thanks :)
[12:01] <Seveas> elmo, ?
[12:01] <elmo> +1
[12:01] <popey> \o/ dsas
[12:01] <Seveas> welcome dsas !
[12:01] <Seveas> it's about time ;
[12:01] <Seveas> ;)
[12:01] <popey> Welcome to the club :)
[12:01] <dsas> sweet, thanks everyone.
[12:01] <gnomefreak> welcome dsas
[12:01] <mdke> well done dsas, welcome aboard
[12:01] <Seveas> BuffaloSoldier, you're up
[12:01] <LoudMouthMan> congratulations dsas.
[12:01] <LaserJock> congrats dsas
[12:01] <Yawner> congrats dsas :)
[12:02] <BuffaloSoldier> Thanks Seveas
[12:02] <Seeker`> congrats dsas
[12:02] <BuffaloSoldier> Hello, my name is Firdaus Aziz, I use the handle "BuffaloSoldier" in UbuntuForums. I have been an Ubuntu user since November 2004 and have been a regular UbuntuForum users since the same time. At the begining my main contribution was helping with users that are new to Ubuntu/Linux. People in the forums where very friendly and helpful when I first started, that's why I decided to contribute back especially to newcomers to lin
[12:02] <BuffaloSoldier> ux. Starting March 2006 I have been given the honor to serve as a moderator there.
[12:02] <BuffaloSoldier> My near-future plan is promoting ubuntu/edubuntu to high schools and colleges in Malaysia and to work closely with relevant organization (Malaysian Education department). Being an Ubuntu member would help me very much when dealing with people especially government organization. My wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirdausAziz
[12:03] <sabdfl> in future, forums staff will automatically qualify for membership if they want
[12:03] <Seveas> BuffaloSoldier, can you please give us a link to your forums profile
[12:03] <jenda> BuffaloSoldier has been an important part of the mod squad on the ubuntuforums. He handles users very well, too.
[12:03] <Seveas> ah nvm ,it's on your page :)
[12:04] <sabdfl> BuffaloSoldier: can you tell us how things are settling down in the forums since we discussed ForumsGovernance?
[12:05] <BuffaloSoldier> personally i think it's too early to tell, i think it will be sometime before the end-user that visits the forums starts to notive anything
[12:05] <zenwhen> I came here to cheer for BuffaloSoldier as well. He has been a wonderful person to work with during my time as an Ubuntu Forums staff member.
[12:06] <Vorian_> I am cheering for BuffaloSoldier as well, he is always very helpful!
[12:06] <sabdfl> ok, looks like a substantial and sustained contribution to me
[12:06] <sabdfl> +1 from me on BuffaloSoldier
[12:06] <mako> any other testimonials from forums people?
[12:07] <mako> your contributions on the forums look fantastic
[12:07] <manicka> BuffaloSoldier, has always been a great contributor and moderator at the forums
[12:07] <mako> +1 from me
[12:07] <elmo> +1 from me too
[12:07] <Seveas> nice!
[12:08] <Seveas> welcome aboard!
[12:08] <Seveas> zenwhen, you're up
[12:08] <jenda> Congratulations, Buffy! ;)
[12:08] <Vorian_> congrats BuffaloSoldier !
[12:08] <zenwhen> My contributions to the community are as follows: I have been an active member of the ubuntuforums.org staff for well over a year. I also started #ubuntuforums, which is the the freenode IRC channel used by the ubuntuforums community. (which I would like to work on getting made official)
[12:08] <mdke> welcome BuffaloSoldier
[12:08] <BuffaloSoldier> thanks everyone :)
[12:08] <zenwhen> My wiki page / application can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zenwhen
[12:08] <zenwhen> welcome BuffaloSoldier
[12:08] <Seveas> zenwhen, the IRC channel as official as it gets already - do you ned something else?
[12:08] <rpereir1> welcome BuffaloSoldier
[12:08] <zenwhen> My forums profile can be found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1543
[12:09] <zenwhen> Mainly, just to see you say that. :)
[12:09] <Seveas> zenwhen, I thought I already had, sorry :)
[12:09] <zenwhen> That is settled, then.
[12:10] <jenda> zenwhen has been a great help both within the forums and the #ubuntuforums IRC channel.
[12:10] <Vorian_> I'm here to cheer for zenwhen, he is a treasure trove of knowledge and support!
[12:12] <Seveas> other forums staff want to cheer as well?
[12:12] <BuffaloSoldier> I am here to cheer for zenwhen, he's very knowledgable and very supportive of new users
[12:13] <sabdfl> november 2004, pretty early into the game ;-)
[12:13] <sabdfl> how many forums staff are there currently?
[12:13] <zenwhen> Yes. I jumped on the right boat.
[12:14] <Seveas> sabdfl, afaik 3
[12:14] <Seveas> with a load of mods
[12:14] <sabdfl> +1 from me for zenwhen on the basis of long participation and staff membership in forums
[12:14] <zenwhen> 35 or so mods
[12:14] <manicka> all mods are considered staff Seveas
[12:14] <Seveas> manicka, ok
[12:15] <jenda> sabdfl: full list https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuforums-staff
[12:15] <jenda> (I hope it's up to date, taht is)
[12:15] <elmo> +1 from me
[12:15] <Seveas> mako, how about you?
[12:16] <mako> sorry, +1
[12:16] <mako> i'm glad we had a chance to get to you
[12:16] <Seveas> likewise
[12:16] <jenda> (Actually, it seems the newest 3-5 staff members aren't on there, I'll prod the admins)
[12:16] <Seveas> mlind, you're up
[12:16] <zenwhen> Thank you all so much!
[12:16] <Seveas> zenwhen, congratulations!
[12:16] <mako> jenda: sure :)
[12:16] <mlind> okay, shooting
[12:16] <rpereir1> Congrats zenwhen
[12:16] <mlind> Greetings to all, my name is Matti Lindell, 25 year-old student of computer science from Finland.
[12:16] <mlind> Ubuntu caught my interest back in days when I was looking an alternative for Fedora. I started as Breezy user and was hooked ever since :) I use Ubuntu daily on my personal computer and also on my work. I work part-timely on a local mid-sized software company as J2EE sofware developer and we use mainly Ubuntu on our servers&workstations.
[12:16] <mako> i'm going to need to leave pretty soon.. i have a talk i'm scheduled to give


[00:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:04] <DarkTrick> Questions regarding Unity and GNOME: I thought Ubuntu runs(?)/works on(?)/uses(?) Unity. But I it seems to have switched to GNOME. Did it indeed switch from Unity to GNOME?
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: 16.04 had unity as default, now it uses gnome by default
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: but you can still install unity desktop if you want, the project still lives
[03:07] <DarkTrick> Installing Ubuntu 20.04, I don't see any difference to Unity from 16.04...
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: default the dock is placed left on gnome too, so you need to take a closer look to see the differences
[03:11] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, thank you!
[03:11] <DarkTrick> I found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/333237/difference-between-unity-and-gnome and should probably dig in there for now
[03:13] <oerheks> unity desktop is still available and under development, also MIR <> Wayland
[05:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:24] <ducasse> good morning
[08:56] <marcoagpinto> The demon!
[09:28] <marcoagpinto> anyone greets the demon?
[09:54] <marcoagpinto> There were hardware updates to install
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> hardware updates?
[09:55] <marcoagpinto> yes
[09:55] <marcoagpinto> for Intel and Nvidia
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> software updates for hardware chipsets :p
[09:56] <marcoagpinto> yes
[09:56] <marcoagpinto> that
[09:56] <marcoagpinto> every week or two there are intel updates
[09:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:46] <DarkTrick> Ubuntu 20.04: Under Settings -> Region & Language -> Settings button -> It's not possible to change the shortcut for input source change. Is there a specific reason Ubuntu removed the possibility to configure through GUI?
[16:11] <marcoagpinto> "to cola go, where no cola has gone before"


[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [5.8.0-1025.27]
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[00:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1043.45~18.04.1]
[00:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp-4.15 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1099.112]
[00:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gkeop-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1015.16~18.04.1]
[05:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-defaults (impish-proposed/main) [1.190ubuntu2 => 1.190ubuntu3] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[10:00] <Laney> rbasak: NEW> yeah I guess they should be re-uploaded to impish. By the way, I think nextcloud-desktop is one that I removed and was accepted by bdmurray already as an SRU, so should probably be copied back
[10:01] <Laney> It's a little bit error prone keeping track of what should be kept; maybe we need a place to record things or could have used https://trello.com/b/JeeDOKd4/devel-unapproved
[10:02] <Laney> vorlon: right, we discovered what happens if britney runs after ubuntu-archive-tools/scripts is updated and before it has been itself - and it's nothing good, although xnox has a branch which should fix it to error out instead of continuing to run
[10:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nextcloud-desktop (hirsute-proposed/universe) [3.1.1-1ubuntu1 => 3.1.1-1ubuntu1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:08] <Laney> rbasak: ^^^^ if you agree you can manually accept that (copy includes binaries)
[10:43] <RikMills> yes please! ^
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[03:31] <dilinger> BenC: hey; any reason ubuntu kernels (as of edgy) don't have mmc_block?
[03:33] <dilinger> ah, nm; i see #30335
[10:42] <BenC> fabbione: git://ozlabs.org/srv/projects/yaboot/yaboot.git
[11:38] <AnAnt> does ipw2200 in Edgy support WPA ?
[11:43] <BenC> AnAnt: it should
[11:43] <BenC> ask-and-leave
[11:43] <BenC> love that
[12:23] <tumbleweed> feisty kernel: PCMCIA Serial card (cellmodem) no longer works:
[12:23] <tumbleweed> [  164.577689]  cs: pcmcia_socket0: time out after reset.
[12:39] <tumbleweed> Linux liszt 2.6.20-5-generic #2 SMP Sat Jan 6 09:44:32 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:39] <tumbleweed> (I suppose I should have added)
[12:44] <fabbione> you should file a bug in LP
[12:45] <tumbleweed> ok
[12:52] <tumbleweed> filed
[06:09] <Kano> hi, how is responsible for linux-libc-dev?
[06:09] <Kano> who
[06:09] <Kano> dpkg -L linux-libc-dev|grep compiler.h
[06:09] <Kano> that include file is missing
[06:09] <Kano> please add it
[06:10] <Kano> needed to compile w-pvrscan
[06:10] <fabbione> Kano: fix w-pvrscan. compiler.h is not required
[06:10] <Kano> well it is used for __user
[06:11] <fabbione> it doesn't exist anymore so userland needs to cope with it
[06:11] <Kano> thats not correct
[06:11] <Kano> you have it in the 2.6.20 kernel headers
[06:12] <fabbione> because it shouldn't be used by userland.. it's a kernel header only
[06:12] <Kano> usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-5-generic/include/linux/compiler.h devel/linux-headers-2.6.20-5-generic
[06:12] <Kano> in debian it is at the usual position
[06:12] <fabbione> Debian has .18
[06:12] <fabbione> a kernel that's 2 releases old
[06:12] <fabbione> things change in time
[06:13] <Kano> nope
[06:13] <Kano> you missed that file even in edgy which had 2.6.17!
[06:13] <zul> things dont change?
[06:13] <fabbione> ok.. than we should all be running kernel 2.
[06:13] <fabbione> 2.0
[06:13] <mjg59> Uh.
[06:14] <mjg59> What does w-pvrscan need __user for?
[06:14] <Kano> dont ask me
[06:14] <mjg59> It's only usefully defined if __CHECKER__ is set
[06:15] <mjg59> Just delete any references to it
[06:15] <mjg59> It ought to build fine
[06:16] <Kano> ok. will update w-pvrscan
[06:17] <mjg59> Looking at it, compiler.h is very very kernel-only
[06:18] <mjg59> Including it in the user headers looks like an error
[06:18] <mjg59> It really shouldn't be depended on
[06:25] <Kano> you might be right
[06:27] <zul> ummm.ok
[06:41] <jes-o-mat> hi Kano :-)
[06:41] <jes-o-mat> oh already gone :/
[09:41] <Khem> Warning, couldn't open module wfb
[09:41] <Khem> (II) UnloadModule: "wfb"
[09:41] <Khem> (EE) Failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0)
[09:42] <mjg59> Khem: That's an error from X, not the kernel.
[09:43] <Khem> yeah wanted to put it in ubuntu room wrong tab :) thx


[02:27] <stormcatcher> good morning
[02:27] <stormcatcher> how can i get the carla-discovery packages?
[02:28] <stormcatcher> i want to run fl studio as vst plugin
[02:30] <stormcatcher> fl studio run under lutris
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> stormcatcher: Just open a terminal, type "sudo apt install carla*". Should take care of it for you.
[14:48] <studiobot> Fábio Formiga was removed by: Fábio Formiga


[03:53] <ePierre> Hi everyone!
[04:08] <balloons> ePierre, hello :-)
[04:11] <ePierre> I saw a message on Google+ leading to this article: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/03/beta-testing-extraordinaire-with-ubuntu.html
[04:11] <ePierre> so I wanted to check this channel as well :)
[04:12] <ePierre> I would love to participate, but I'm living in Asia, so the time schedule is pretty bad for me
[04:12] <ePierre> that would be between 2 AM and 6 AM :)
[04:16] <balloons> ePierre, :-(
[04:16] <balloons> I'm uploading some new videos now to the youtube channel that might help you out
[04:17] <balloons> that and the walkthroughs.. It's later here for me.. I'm likely 12 hours difference from you :-)
[04:17] <ePierre> oh, time for bed then!
[04:17] <ePierre> you're Nicholas, right?
[04:17] <ePierre> It's 12:17PM here
[04:18] <balloons> ePierre, indeed.. lol
[04:18] <balloons> ePierre, here's the video channel for you; https://www.youtube.com/qualitybecomesyou.. And here's the tutorials I mentioned; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[04:19] <balloons> the video links on those pages are being update *soon* :-)
[04:19] <ePierre> cool!
[04:19] <ePierre> working till past midnight, that's devotion! ;)
[04:20] <balloons> lol.. just making sure things are all set for tomorrow
[04:20] <balloons> err, well today at this point :-)
[04:20] <ePierre> :)
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <jibel> good morning
[07:08] <ePierre> hi
[11:11] <AditrianR> halo
[11:15] <boboy> hello
[11:16] <gruzin> Есть кто русский ?
[11:16] <Darrel_> hello?
[11:16] <boboy> ya chut chut znayu po russkiy
[11:16] <Darrel_> anybody in?
[11:16] <gruzin> это  хорошо ,  так что тут происходит
[11:16] <Darrel_> i don't understand.
[11:17] <boboy> ya iz uzbekistane
[11:17] <Darrel_> hope what i'm doing is right?
[11:17] <Jorrit_> what do you wanna do?
[11:17] <Darrel_> so what's going on now?
[11:18] <Azrael_> hello
[11:18] <boboy> what does mean 'Azrael'?
[11:18] <Darrel_> have i to watch the video as well?
[11:19] <Darrel_> anybody there?
[11:19] <Azrael_> War 40k
[11:19] <boboy> yeah i am here
[11:19] <boboy> war?
[11:19] <Azrael_> warhammer
[11:20] <boboy> where are you from
[11:20] <Azrael_> french from russia
[11:20] <boboy> :)
[11:20] <Darrel_> is the video a live treaming/
[11:20] <boboy> sosed!
[11:21] <Darrel_> i'm from sri lanka.
[11:21] <boboy> i am from uzbekistan
[11:21] <boboy> !
[11:21] <Azrael_> on any device can i separate working use and personnal use
[11:22] <Darrel_> I don't understand how to use this chat.
[11:22] <Darrel_> can somebody help?
[11:23] <Azrael_> ask some question
[11:23] <mido91> hello  everyone
[11:35] <zex> hello to everyone
[13:57] <sary> Salutations!
[14:37] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[15:25] <balloons> hello SergioMeneses
[15:26] <SergioMeneses> balloons, brasero testcase is almost done! :)
[15:27] <balloons> :-)
[15:36] <balloons> just syncing more of the isos for today
[15:39] <SergioMeneses> balloons, nice!... btw I have to share the software center testcase with you
[15:40] <balloons> SergioMeneses, ok.. So I need to update the ubuntu on air page again it seems
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> o0
[15:42] <SergioMeneses> balloons, did you try to "sync between computers" ?
[15:44] <balloons> SergioMeneses, look ok now? http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:46] <balloons> SergioMeneses, I did try it.. I ran into that unrelated bug, but it seemed to work
[15:47] <SergioMeneses> balloons, jejee ok
[15:50] <sojourner> I zsync'd this mornings daily , It boots and the live session runs ok but I can't get past the second pages on the installer , it hangs there , I've been having this problem for most of raring . any suggestions ?
[15:50] <balloons> sojourner, when you say the second page, which page exactly/
[15:50] <balloons> what's the title at the top?
[15:51] <balloons> also, what's your setup? A vm, real hw, etc?
[15:51] <sojourner> install , the page where you select what to d/l during install .
[15:53] <sojourner> real hardware , 6 drives many partitions , giving the install its own drive .
[15:53] <SergioMeneses> sojourner, there is a bug about it?
[15:54] <sojourner> I forget I think I joined a bug a couple of months ago on it , Ill have to look
[15:55] <SergioMeneses> sojourner, prefect
[15:57] <balloons> sojourner, hmm.. so its not hanging on the partitions page
[15:57] <balloons> really interesting.. if you don't have a bug filed, let's get one filed.. and if it has been filed, we can help make sure it gets looked at
[15:57] <sojourner> no does not get that far .
[15:58] <balloons> your setup sounds like a good test candidate with so many disks and partitions ;-)
[15:58] <balloons> did previous images have issues -- quantal, precise?
[15:59] <davmor2> balloons: you'll be glad to know that todays images allows secureboot again :)
[16:00] <sojourner> yes I have precise and an upgraded to raring install of quantal  I had a raring daily that did work from a mnth ago but I wiped it for this install .
[16:00] <balloons> davmor2, nice! do you have secure hardware yourself?
[16:00] <davmor2> balloons: however there is an issue with the software-updater it seems to stick on preconfiguring packages :(
[16:00] <balloons> sojourner, if you can get the date or approximate date on that it would help.. is there any indication of what the error is? If it locks the system completely, file a bug before you get to that part
[16:01] <davmor2> balloons: I do Lenovo ideapad y580
[16:02] <sojourner> doesn't lock up just the installer stalled I can quit it and continue the live .
[16:03] <sojourner> got to leave now , doctors appointment I'll be back later .
[16:04] <balloons> sojourner, ok.. let me know if you need more help
[16:04] <balloons> you can add me to the bug you do fil
[16:04] <balloons> nskaggs is my launchpad id..
[16:04] <balloons> I want to make sure this gets looked at. thanks sojourner !
[16:05] <SergioMeneses> btw balloons sojourner If I can with something more, please let me know
[16:13] <gezasgezas> zdarova
[16:14] <balloons> gezasgezas, hello
[16:20] <balloons> SergioMeneses, ohh.. 1800 UTC is in 40 mins :-)
[16:21] <balloons> gonna eat quickly to prepare
[16:22] <SergioMeneses> balloons, /o\
[16:22] <SergioMeneses> perfect, I'm going to eat something too
[16:23] <SergioMeneses> I'll be back soon
[16:29] <phillw> balloons: SergioMeneses it is 16:30 UTC :)
[16:31] <balloons> phillw, ?
[16:31] <balloons> bah.. indeed it is
[16:31]  * balloons rants about google calendar
[16:36] <phillw> http://www.timeanddate.com
[16:36] <phillw> :)
[16:39] <balloons> :-) the time and date applet has it correct.. I almost always just use that
[16:39] <balloons> silly me thought i'd schedule it in google calendar
[16:40] <SergioMeneses> jajajaja
[17:00] <natinux> hi every body
[17:02] <balloons> hello natinux
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> natinux, hi
[17:08] <Guest45744> hello all
[17:11] <natinux> sorry hi
[17:12] <natinux> who speak spanish??
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> natinux, si?
[17:13] <balloons> SergioMeneses hablo español natinux
[17:14] <natinux> Perfecto me alegra, que alguien me pueda entender..
[17:15] <SergioMeneses> natinux, perfecto
[17:17] <natinux> soy un relativamente nuevo en lo que tiene que ver con ubuntu alguien me puede ayudar con unas inquietudes q tengo
[17:20] <natinux> quiero cambiar el tema de ubuntu que por default es Radiance o ambiance.... por otro q me guste quien puede ayudarme???
[17:20] <SergioMeneses> natinux, soporte? acude a #ubuntu-es
[17:21] <SergioMeneses> la verdad yo ando algo ocupado
[17:26] <natinux> en este dialogo en q puedo ayudar??? o hacer??? y disculpo si incomodo
[17:28] <SergioMeneses> natinux, yo te recomiendo que busques en internet temas para ubuntu
[17:28] <SergioMeneses> la verdad casi nunca cambio eso
[17:47] <chilicuil> balloons: good morning ~_~/
[17:48] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, noon
[17:48] <balloons> chilicuil, hello :-)
[17:48] <balloons> you ready?
[17:48] <chilicuil> yep, setting up the vm =)
[17:49] <balloons> k, let me invite you and SergioMeneses  now
[17:49] <SergioMeneses> balloons, chilicuil https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities
[17:50]  * SergioMeneses goes to find a chair
[18:02] <balloons> going live on ubuntuonair now :-)
[18:03] <davmor2> balloons: there is an apt-daemon fix for the issue I was having with software-updater that landed today so to do updates everyone will need to do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade check the apt-daemon fix is in and then software-updater should in theory work again :)
[18:03] <balloons> this event will be in spanish -- can everyone see the video?
[18:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, I can :D
[18:04] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, \o\
[18:04] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, Hey :D
[18:07] <schauer97> Are they using Webcamstudio?
[18:07] <balloons> schauer97, using g+ hangout
[18:09] <schauer97> Yes, but the quality of the Desktop is better than mine, if I make a Hangout on air.
[18:09] <schauer97> sorry for my bad english :/
[18:10] <balloons> ahh.. :-) I too don't have an amazing upload speed, which is what controls the quality
[18:10] <SergioMeneses> schauer97, dont worry
[18:10] <schauer97> OK :)
[18:11] <ofprieto> o/
[18:11] <balloons> schauer97, te habla angalias  bueno
[18:11] <balloons> lol.. better than my spanish
[18:11] <SergioMeneses> balloons, it is not so bad
[18:11] <SergioMeneses> ofprieto, \o
[18:12] <balloons> if anyone has any questions, SergioMeneses abd chilicuil can both help in spanish.. and after the demo maybe even show you if you need help
[18:13] <SergioMeneses>  \o/
[18:14] <ofprieto> jejee SergioMeneses  el on air tiene bastante ruido de fondo
[18:14] <balloons> cuestiones, alguien?
[18:14] <ofprieto> please mut micro ;D
[18:14] <SergioMeneses> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:15] <ofprieto> si
[18:15] <ofprieto> SergioMeneses:
[18:17] <ofprieto> SergioMeneses:  solo se esta compartiendo la ventana de test disk
[18:18] <BartOC3> ofprieto +1
[18:20] <ofprieto> si ya se ve todo SergioMeneses
[18:20] <ofprieto> *el navegador
[18:23] <balloons> if anyone needs help running or trying out a testcase, feel free to speak up..
[18:23] <balloons> English or Español :-)
[18:25] <balloons> there's also folks who can help in italiano or français if needed
[18:25] <ofprieto> BartOC3:  sabes cual es el link ?
[18:25] <ofprieto> cual es la opcion de este repositorio donde encuentro la parte del beta http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:26] <BartOC3> ofprieto cual link ?
[18:26] <ofprieto> daily-live?
[18:26] <ofprieto> mira BartOC3  en este http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ cual es el  link para entrar a la opcion del beta2?
[18:27] <BartOC3> ofprieto > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:28] <CheeseBurg> ¿Es esta sesión en español solamente?
[18:28] <balloons> CheeseBurg, si
[18:28] <ofprieto> 02 de abril, 18:00 UTC (en español) 02 de abril, 20:00 UTC (Inglés)
[18:28] <ofprieto> gracias BartOC3
[18:29] <CheeseBurg> ja ja ok. No hay manera de que google se puede traducir esta sesión completa.
[18:30] <CheeseBurg> adiós
[18:30] <BartOC3> SergioMeneses mande el link por aca..
[18:30] <sojourner> I'm back , I tried again same result  ubiquity hung again .I used ubuntu-bug to file bug report 1163502 . I checked and my previous bug was from quantal
[18:30] <SergioMeneses> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[18:31] <balloons> sojourner, I'll go look at the bug now
[18:31] <BartOC3> Gracias don SergioMeneses
[18:31] <balloons> bug 1163502
[18:31] <ofprieto> SergioMeneses: pregunta
[18:31] <ofprieto> osea puedo crear entornos de pruebas en virtualbox
[18:31] <ofprieto> de varias versiones?
[18:32] <ofprieto> ok pero al tomar ese perfil de hardware no me tomaria el del virtual box?
[18:32] <balloons> sojourner, we need to expand the description of the bug report so the developer knows what's going on
[18:33] <balloons> can you describe it the same way you described it to me? you have x disks, x partitions, and your trying to install by selecting X option, etc
[18:33] <balloons> and then it locks the session, and ubiquity freezes, etc
[18:33] <balloons> whatever happens :-)
[18:33] <ofprieto> ok, Gracias :D
[18:34] <sojourner> ok
[18:34] <SergioMeneses> ofprieto, andamos algo cortos de tiempo
[18:35] <SergioMeneses> pero como te decia lo importante en ese caso es el manejo al disco duro
[18:35] <SergioMeneses> por los discos virtuales
[18:35] <SergioMeneses> pero de poder puedes ;)
[18:35] <ofprieto> yo ando en la empresa :S cualquiermomento vuelo SergioMeneses jejeje
[18:35] <SergioMeneses> sino puedes crear un disco de virtualbox generico y re--escribirlo
[18:35] <SergioMeneses> ofprieto, dale!
[18:35] <ofprieto> si ees que yo tengo ahorita
[18:35] <ofprieto> instalado 12.10
[18:36] <ofprieto> y de todo el software que tengo ya instalado  configurado no puedo formatear y formatear o realizar actualizaciones
[18:36] <ofprieto> el disco mio es de 750 eso alcanza
[18:36] <SergioMeneses> ofprieto, claro! por eso decia que es mejor mantener upgrades
[18:36] <SergioMeneses> pero es cuestion de gustos
[18:37] <ofprieto> ham yo si hago upgrades, pero aveces me ocurren fallas un tanto complicadas :S no tengo tanto nivel como para solucionarlas
[18:38] <SergioMeneses> ofprieto, jeje dale cualquier cosa podes preguntar aqui, eso si en Ingles :P si yo estoy desocupado te doy una mano
[18:39] <ofprieto> huu ok
[18:40] <balloons> sojourner, ok, I'll look at the log, see if I reproduce.. listing exactly what you did and how you did it helps to reproduce the bug
[18:40] <balloons> if we can reproduce it, it makes it much easier for a developer to fix. So when filing, it's a good idea to include enough information that the developer is able to reproduce it
[18:41] <sojourner> added  comment to the report  . is that enough ?  I can copy the entire /var/log to another drive and upload anything else you think might be useful .
[18:41] <balloons> btw, you can update the original description -- click the yellow exclamation point
[18:41] <balloons> hmm.. grabbing /var/log is always useful.. what you have attached might be enough
[18:44] <sojourner> ok I'll copy it and preserve it if they need something later  i'll have it ..
[18:44] <balloons> sojourner, perfect
[18:45] <BartOC3> SergioMeneses hasta el mometo todo perfecto..
[18:45] <SergioMeneses> BartOC3, dale!
[18:45] <SergioMeneses> siempre es algo complicado estos horarios jeje pero la intension cuenta :)
[18:46] <balloons> sojourner, did you boot using usb or via cd/dvd?
[18:47] <BartOC3> SergioMeneses si lo que vale es la intencion...
[18:47] <SergioMeneses> balloons, was a real installation? real hardware?
[18:48] <ofprieto> SergioMeneses:  pero no queda nada registrado ?
[18:48] <sojourner> I'm here on my main sys I'll leave the daily running on my test box ( where I do my testing ) if you want me to try something else .
[18:48] <ofprieto> por que si la intencion cuenta pero si se logra grabar tambien seria bueno :D
[18:48] <SergioMeneses> ofprieto, si! quedara el video en youtube en el canal oficial de ubuntuonair
[18:48] <balloons> let's see if xnox is around
[18:48] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ++
[18:48] <balloons> xnox, is our resident friendly ubiquity developer ;-)
[18:48] <SergioMeneses> xnox, rocks! \o/
[18:49] <ofprieto> se me cayo la conexion
[18:50] <balloons> sojourner, can you try something for me?
[18:50] <sojourner> sure
[18:50] <balloons> don't connect to a network at all when you install
[18:50] <balloons> try that.. don't check the get updates box etheir (not that it would work :-) )
[18:51] <sojourner> I've already tried that same thing I'll try again .
[18:51] <balloons> ahh
[18:51] <balloons> it made no difference then?
[18:51] <sojourner> none
[18:51] <balloons> ok.. one other thing to try
[18:52] <balloons> are you booting up into a live session, or selecting install ubuntu at the image boot menu?
[18:52] <balloons> Try both ways..
[18:53] <sojourner> live session tried both usb and dvd  , I'm on the dvd now
[18:53] <FernandoGiraldo> buenas tardes, alguna forma de filtrar las voces del fondo?
[18:53] <balloons> ahh.. try invoking the 'install ubuntu' option straight from the boot menu
[18:54] <sojourner> I've tried install from the boot menu no help , I've beeen fighting this bug for awhile .
[18:54] <balloons> the error your seeing is just spawning from debconf I believe
[18:54] <balloons> so break it down for me one more time.. you see the welcome screen, you click next
[18:54] <balloons> you get the install screen.. all the check boxes are green.. you hit next
[18:54] <balloons> do you get to the install type screen?
[18:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will try too, synced my ISO just now
[18:55] <balloons> heck.. let me link you somethng that will help us debug together :)
[18:55] <SergioMeneses> FernandoGiraldo, saludos!
[18:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, what language was selected ?
[18:55] <SergioMeneses> lastimosamente no de momento :S
[18:55] <SergioMeneses> pero se alcanza a escuchar perfecto
[18:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, got it English
[18:56] <FernandoGiraldo> SergioMeneses: ok, gracias
[18:56] <balloons> sojourner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/SlideDecks.. https://plus.google.com/photos/105922848292507689403/albums/5802133545673972321?banner=pwa
[18:56] <FernandoGiraldo> SergioMeneses: saludos.
[18:56] <balloons> which picture is ubiquity dying on?
[18:56] <balloons> this one? https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Lui_CB7Td8M/UIVRv6wsQUI/AAAAAAAAAYU/a7Z6sZb8-LE/w482-h371-p-o-k/011.png
[18:56] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-)
[18:59] <sojourner> I see the select what to download screen and when I hit continue it hangs , If I have one of my drives mounted I get a partman message about it and when I tell it to unmount the drive (or not) mit
[18:59] <balloons> ok so it's this screen, preparing to install ubuntu.. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Lui_CB7Td8M/UIVRv6wsQUI/AAAAAAAAAYU/a7Z6sZb8-LE/w482-h371-p-o-k/011.png
[19:00] <SergioMeneses> balloons, we're done
[19:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I got past that one I'm on the "Installation type" window
[19:00] <sojourner> the one whre it shows if you are connected to the internet and has atleast 4.9 gb drive space and if you are plugged in
[19:01] <sojourner> yes that one
[19:01] <balloons> so the next screen is where you select your installation type.. when you hit continue it reads your disks
[19:01] <balloons> so your not yet installing anything, nor messing with your disks
[19:01] <sojourner> that screen never comes up .
[19:01] <balloons> so that error is weird..
[19:01] <balloons> right.. got it
[19:02] <balloons> SergioMeneses, chilicuil thank you!
[19:02] <balloons> thank you all for attending.. in an hour we'll be doing another session with similar content, but in English..
[19:02] <balloons> you'll see us again on ubuntuonair
[19:03] <SergioMeneses> balloons, dont worry! thanks for the invite
[19:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, in UbiquityDm.txt I see a Wacom device
[19:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, could it be that ?
[19:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, it does not happen to us as we do not have it ?
[19:05] <balloons> Letozaf_, good question. sojourner, are there any odd devices attached?
[19:05] <balloons> meaning, anything beyond a mouse and keyboard?
[19:05] <SergioMeneses> ok guys I have to go! see you later
[19:05] <sojourner> no
[19:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, thats weired : "wacom-plugin-CRITICAL"
[19:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, did you finish your install?
[19:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, I stopped at the installation type window
[19:06] <balloons> if so, we should compare the logs of your installation to sojourner's
[19:06] <balloons> i need to reboot..
[19:07] <balloons> I'm going to use the same image, and compare the logs of my install
[19:07] <balloons> brb
[19:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[19:07] <sojourner> I'm going to try the dvd on my main sys and see if it gets past that screen , I won't risk an install on my main sys but may learn something .
[19:08] <balloons> sojourner, yes indeed..
[19:08] <balloons> something about that box is causing things to go funny
[19:08] <balloons> ohh
[19:08] <balloons> do you have more than one swap partition?
[19:08] <balloons> I was looking at your partman for a moment
[19:08] <balloons> that's my guess as to where the issue lies.. with your disks/parition setup
[19:10] <sojourner> yes I have 6 drives and 11 patritions , 2 ubuntu installs precise and an upgraded from qunatal , 1 open suse , 1 sabyon and 1 win 8 . like I said its a test box
[19:11] <sojourner> I'll have to quit for a few minutes to try the dvd on my main sys back soon
[19:13] <balloons> phillw, ping
[19:19] <sojourner> tried it on my main sys , I let it go all the way to the partitioning screen before I quit so its ok on that box
[19:21] <sojourner> yes I think it may be the win 8 install I'll try disconnecting that drive and re try .
[19:21] <balloons> sojourner, I have a win8 install lying around I think.. I'll try it on that
[19:22] <sojourner> note I was not using wubi I give every install atleast its own partition , the win 8 install is on its own seperate drive .
[19:23] <balloons> sojourner, ok, booting up the win8 install now with todays image
[19:24] <balloons> I have a quantal and precise box.. I could try attaching more drives to it :-)
[19:25] <sojourner> this was never an issue until quantal and the win 8 install is after quantal .
[19:25] <balloons> interesting :-)
[19:25] <balloons> sojourner, ohh.. wait for it..
[19:25] <balloons> bah, win8 install passed the screen ok :-)
[19:26] <balloons> let me add that drive to the quantal + precise box and try again
[19:26] <phillw> balloons: soz, having dinner...
[19:27] <phillw> ~ 30 mins & I'll be back :)
[19:33]  * balloons now booting a machine with lucid, quantal, precise, win7, win8 :-)
[19:34] <balloons> I don't have any swap partitions however sojourner
[19:34] <balloons> I'll have to make some.. I don't use them
[19:35] <sojourner> I dont need them pleanty of mem I just make them to keep the installer from griping
[19:35] <balloons> wow.. well that took awhile, but it didn indeed get past the screen
[19:37] <sojourner> trying now without the win 8 drive I'm past that screen and to the partitioning screen I'll see if the install goes ok and report back .
[19:37] <balloons> sojourner, that would be a big breakthrough
[19:39] <sojourner> already had an ext4 partition  preped so installing now
[19:43] <balloons> sojourner, yea.. I can't reproduce it here, even adding all those partitions
[19:43] <balloons> it still works
[19:43] <balloons> gonna finish an install and make sure
[19:44] <sojourner> yes all I did was disconnect the win 8 drive and its going ok so far .
[19:53] <sojourner> ok I finished the install and am booted into the install on my test box so it was definately the win 8 drive that it didn't like .
[19:55] <balloons> excellent.. I'd add that to the report, and see what xnox comes back with
[19:56] <sojourner> ok
[19:57] <saqman2060> Did the live testing hangouts, in english started already @balloons
[19:57] <balloons> going live in a couple mins
[19:57] <balloons> :-)
[19:57] <Cheeseburg> I was just going to ask that
[19:57] <saqman2060> great just in time
[19:57] <balloons> yep, just in time
[20:03] <saqman2060> where is the link to the stream?
[20:03] <balloons> ubuntuonair.com
[20:03] <CheeseBurg> heyoo
[20:08] <saqman2060> Where do you find "testdrive" @balloon
[20:08] <Letozaf> you can just open the dash and type in testdrive and install it clicking on the search result
[20:08] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[20:09] <saqman2060> thanks
[20:10] <saqman2060> zsync is good to use
[20:12] <Letozaf> saqman2060, yes it's the quicker way to download ISO's
[20:15] <johngreen> hello!
[20:15] <saqman2060> greetings
[20:15] <Letozaf> johngreen, hello!
[20:16] <saqman2060> netboot test case sounds good. Please show @balloon
[20:19] <Letozaf> saqman2060, don't worry we will show it soon
[20:20] <saqman2060> @letozaf, thanks
[20:20] <meetingology> saqman2060: Error: "letozaf," is not a valid command.
[20:20] <saqman2060> letozaf, thanks
[20:20] <Letozaf> saqman2060, :)
[20:25] <saqman2060> sound quality is a little harsh
[20:25] <balloons> can you hear ok?
[20:26] <UbuPhillup_> not so good
[20:28] <balloons> is it better now?
[20:28] <balloons> I can hear ok.. but there is some feedback
[20:28] <Noskcaj> balloons, can i have a link?
[20:28] <CheeseBurg> the screen is of google+
[20:29] <balloons> Noskcaj, ubuntuonair.com
[20:29] <Noskcaj> ok, ty. can i join the conversation somehow
[20:29] <balloons> Noskcaj, yes of course
[20:31] <CheeseBurg> Yea I can hear you but your very VERY low
[20:32] <balloons> CheeseBurg, ok, let me know if there is something you don't understand
[20:33] <HarryHawk> Am I  correct that Virtual box will not run on my Nexus 7?
[20:33] <balloons> HarryHawk, I think that's a wise assumption :-)
[20:34]  * balloons wonders if there is working virtual machine managers for arm
[20:35] <bdmurray> psivaa: is raring upgrade testing being run?
[20:36] <Anujit> her voice is bit on the lower side...
[20:37] <ultimo> what is this all about?
[20:37] <balloons> this is showing a netboot testcase installatio
[20:37] <balloons> we covered a basic install using virtualbox a virtual machine
[20:37] <UbuPhillup_> when balloons speak is there a »brumm«
[20:38] <UbuPhillup_> but i can understand
[20:39] <zak_> Does testdrive require a cpu with the virtualization feature? If not what are the minimum requiremenst to run testdrive?
[20:40] <Noskcaj> so everyone knows, netboot on PPC is a bit different
[20:41] <UbuPhillup_> ;)
[20:42] <UbuPhillup_> okey
[20:42] <Noskcaj> netboot doesn't release betas, they're on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds though for some reason
[20:45] <Anujit> ok..r autosync options also there?
[20:46] <johnny-ubi> lol... it's u-boon-too...
[20:47] <CheeseBurg> oo-boo-too
[20:47] <johnny-ubi> sure
[20:48] <UbuPhillup> in German
[20:53] <Anujit> kind of a stupid ques..but is the the min sys reqmnts for ubuntu on virtual box?
[20:54] <UbuPhillup> what about the applications?
[20:55] <UbuPhillup> are they overwritten?
[20:56] <balloons> Anujit, the min requirements
[20:57] <balloons> I would say a few gb's of ram, and a resonably new cpi
[20:57] <balloons> UbuPhillup, yes the applications are overwritten
[20:57] <UbuPhillup> balloons: okey thanks
[20:58] <UbuPhillup> yes
[20:58] <Anujit> Thanks
[20:59] <Noskcaj> Anujit, try running netboot, lubuntu or xubuntu in a VM first, as they use less RAM
[21:01] <Noskcaj> just so some of you know, in PPC you can only download off one server
[21:02] <balloons> I hope that proved helpful
[21:02] <balloons> thank you Carla and Noskcaj
[21:02] <balloons> sorry the netboot case didn't finish :-(
[21:03] <Letozaf_> yes it take quite long
[21:03] <Letozaf_> sorry for that :(
[21:03] <Noskcaj> sorry i didn't have the time to get an ISO, my dad hates the internet
[21:03] <Letozaf_> but now there is an excuse to test it so  you see what happens
[21:03] <Letozaf_> at the end
[21:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-)
[21:04] <Noskcaj> did phill go on the stream before i was on.
[21:05] <balloons> Noskcaj, no he's restricted by bandwidth
[21:05] <balloons> thanks everyone for watching!
[21:05] <balloons> btw, I noticed our non-english testcase is showing up borked: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41126/testcases/1316/results
[21:06] <balloons> I was going to do it, and file a bug on it ;-)
[21:06] <balloons> at least it is in my browser
[21:06] <balloons> is it for you?
[21:06] <balloons> the characters are incorrect
[21:07] <Noskcaj> balloons, as i said earlier, why is netboot in the beta 2 testing area?
[21:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, same for me the non-english testcase is showing up borked
[21:08] <balloons> Noskcaj, I'm confused
[21:08] <balloons> I'm not sure what's going on.. we'll need to ask -release
[21:08] <Noskcaj> netboot shouldn't be in here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds
[21:09] <balloons> most things are missing if you'll notice
[21:09] <balloons> which is odd
[21:10] <Noskcaj> balloons, not really, some ISOs always come before the rest
[21:10] <balloons> per infinity.. indeed, they are re-spinning everything
[21:15] <balloons> hopefully everything looks good.. easter set things back it seems
[21:16] <balloons> I should have shown reporting a bug a bit more I think
[21:16] <balloons> anyways..
[21:16] <balloons> I'll file the bug for the testcase not showing up properly
[21:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, netboot install is still going ... :-)
[21:28] <balloons> Noskcaj, letozaf_ I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1163589
[21:34] <phillw> balloons: there is possibly a similar issue in docs / manual where UTF coding is causing problems. I can go dig the details of the email if you think it may help?
[21:36] <balloons> phillw, hmm.. if you want to leave it in a comment on the bug, that could help..
[21:36] <balloons> I've not looked into it.. and today I won't
[21:36] <balloons> I'm bushed :-)
[21:37] <phillw> I'll got find the email. It may be totally unrelated, but the non-rendering bit does ring a bell :)
[21:38] <phillw> balloons: bug 922251 (amongst others)
[21:40] <phillw> ahh, no. it seems pdf based for that bug, but the email discussion is not. I'll add it to the bug.
[21:42] <sojourner> after I booted into my install it wanted to "finish installing the language packs" I let it try and it stalled at " preconfiguring packages " I quit out and rebooted and installed synaptic with apt-get , started synaptic and it showed nothing broken or missing . the message it showed when I killed the language updat said I had out of date packages ?
[21:47] <OmarMattlob> hi
[22:07] <balloons> sojourner, hmm
[22:07] <balloons> if it stalled out, it might have gotten stuck on something
[22:07] <balloons> or it simply finished and didn't update
[22:08] <sojourner> I've rebooted a couple of times and installed much software and no problems so far .
[22:09] <balloons> right.. I wouldn't expect there to be any
[22:09] <balloons> did you install in english?
[22:09] <balloons> or something else?
[22:09] <sojourner> I also reconnected the win 8 drive and updated my master grub ( on the precise install) and all ok
[22:09] <sojourner> english yes
[22:09] <balloons> if in english, you shouldn't see that prompt for language packs
[22:10] <balloons> only for languages that aren't on the iso
[22:10] <sojourner> I get that sometimes I don't know why .
[22:10] <balloons> odd..
[22:10]  * balloons wonders if there is a bug
[22:10] <balloons> ohh
[22:10] <balloons> did you have internet enabled?
[22:11] <balloons> I *think* there might be a couple bits it wants that isn't on the cd
[22:11] <sojourner> not during install but when the prompt shoed up
[22:11] <balloons> might still be a bug, but could explain it
[22:11] <balloons> ahh yes
[22:11] <balloons> I believe the intent is those should be on the cd
[22:11] <balloons> and of course, it shouldn't error out
[22:12] <sojourner> it didn't error out I had to kill debconf from the system monitor .
[22:13] <sojourner> It has happened on some previous installs but never has caused a problem I just figgured it was a quirk .
[22:15] <balloons> right
[22:15] <balloons> debconf quirk indeed
[22:15] <balloons> well, I'm off for now.. interesting finds sojourner :-)
[22:15] <balloons> let me know if you need my help to follow up any of them
[22:16] <balloons> I want to ask xnox about the win8 drive bug you found
[22:16] <sojourner> when I updated the repos I noticed most or all of the language translation repo's failed
[22:16] <balloons> what on earth about it was/is preventing install
[22:16] <balloons> ttyl
[22:16] <sojourner> I have no Idea but I know how to fix it next time .


[19:22] <aphrek> hi all - can anyone recommend a way of displaying bandwidth (KB/Mb rather than menu based) in the menu bar (ubuntu)


[08:51] <themonk> why i am getting this, error: invalid service name "local:precise/mycharm"
[08:52] <themonk> marcoceppi, hi
[12:42] <themonk> after bootstrap my deploy unit is in pending state for so long?
[12:43] <themonk> it makes testing very slow
[12:47] <themonk> why deploy a charm is very slow?
[12:47] <themonk> is there any way to make it fast?
[12:52] <marcoceppi> hi themonk
[12:52] <themonk>  hi
[12:52] <themonk> marcoceppi, hi
[12:53] <marcoceppi> still getting an invalid service name?
[12:53] <themonk> marcoceppi, why deploy a charm is very slow? is there any way to make it fast?
[12:53] <marcoceppi> themonk: which provider are you using?
[12:53] <themonk> marcoceppi, local
[12:54] <themonk> marcoceppi, lxc container
[12:54] <marcoceppi> themonk: local shouldn't be that slow, does it ever go from pending to started or is it always stuck in pending?
[12:55] <themonk> marcoceppi, yes it goes started state from pending but takes to long
[12:58] <themonk> marcoceppi, it does not stuck in pending state
[12:59] <marcoceppi> themonk: well, there are a number of reasons why it may take a while. What version of juju are you using now?
[13:00] <themonk> marcoceppi, 1.16.6-precise-amd64
[13:01] <marcoceppi> themonk: ah, there's be a lot of improvements to juju since that stable release, unless you're pushing things in to producution today I recommend you use 1.17 series of juju where this work is taking place
[13:40] <themonk> marcoceppi, do need to compile src to install juju 1.17?
[13:41] <marcoceppi> themonk: no, just add ppa:juju/devel
[13:41] <themonk> marcoceppi, ok thanks :)
[13:48] <lazyPower> ok starting with the rev queue today
[13:48] <lazyPower> here goes something :)
[14:25] <bloodearnest> lazyPower: <cough>gunicorn</cough>
[14:25] <bloodearnest> :)
[14:25] <lazyPower> bloodearnest: going down the list, it'll be reviewed shortly :)
[14:26] <lazyPower> however, i am open to pizza as a bribe if you want me to "bump" it in priority
[14:29] <jcastro> hey marcoceppi
[14:29] <marcoceppi> hey jcastro
[14:29] <jcastro> so I am in the mysql unit via debug-hooks, because mysql bombed out again
[14:29] <jcastro> if I'm in the hook scope
[14:29] <jcastro> shouldn't "install" just work?
[14:30] <marcoceppi> jcastro: install should always work
[14:31] <jcastro> if I give the full path the install works
[14:31] <marcoceppi> jcastro: how so?
[14:31] <marcoceppi> jcastro: OH, you need to do hooks/install
[14:31] <jcastro> ta
[14:31] <marcoceppi> youre' in $CHARM_DIR not $CHARM_DIR/hooks
[14:34] <jcastro> https://gist.github.com/castrojo/9347549
[14:34] <jcastro> hey that looks familiar!
[14:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: this is a different error than was fixed
[14:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: set dataset-size to 256M
[14:35] <marcoceppi> then re-run install hook
[14:35] <marcoceppi> err config changed
[14:40] <jcastro> hmm, no luck
[14:41] <jcastro> with either 256M or 512M
[14:41] <jcastro> InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 12.3G
[14:41] <jcastro> seems like it'
[14:42] <jcastro> s not taking the dataset-size
[14:46] <marcoceppi> jcastro: it's reading based on you machine
[14:46] <jcastro> yeah, I had to manually fix it in my.cnf
[14:49] <jcastro> 14/03/04 09:48:57 INFO mapred.JobClient:  map 8% reduce 0%
[14:49] <dpb1> Hi -- is it possible to pin AWS to stick to a particular AZ?
[14:49] <jcastro> but, it's working!
[14:50] <bloodearnest> jcastro: hey - whe you do the hadoop demo, what do you show people as the end result? The gui? Or some webpage or something?
[14:51] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1183831
[14:51] <_mup_> Bug #1183831: unable to specify ec2 availability zone <constraints> <ec2-provider> <papercut> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183831>
[14:51] <jcastro> dpb1, ^^^
[14:51] <jcastro> bloodearnest, Just a terasort CLI is fine
[14:51] <jcastro> bloodearnest, I am working on the README now to make it use juju run, I'll be done in an hour
[14:51] <jcastro> bloodearnest, you can add ganglia and stuff if you want pretty charts
[14:52] <bloodearnest> jcastro: lovely. talk is tonight, so just in time :)
[14:52] <bloodearnest> jcastro: ELI5: terasort?
[14:52] <jcastro> it's a hadoop benchmark thing
[14:52] <jcastro> it mapreduces a TB of stuff
[14:53] <jcastro> basically, to prove it works, etc and that you're just not making up pretty boxes on a web page
[14:53] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~jorge/charms/bundles/hadoop-cluster/bundle
[14:53] <jcastro> is where I'll be pushing
[14:53] <jcastro> dpb1, though I am surprised we haven't fixed that
[14:54] <dpb1> jcastro: it's introducing some failures when trying to put in storage solutions.
[14:54] <dpb1> since your EBS has to be in the same AZ as your instance
[14:54] <jcastro> bloodearnest, this will be of interest also http://markmims.com/cloud/2012/06/04/juju-at-scale.html
[14:55] <jcastro> hey sinzui, how do we put that bug on core's radar?
[14:56] <sinzui> jcastro, report it, tag it with the a stakeholder tag (charmers) and then ask me to review the milestone
[14:58] <jcastro> dpb1, does that bug I linked pretty much cover your issue?
[15:00] <dpb1> jcastro: indeed.  I think there are future plans to better support AZs, but that one is kind of a no-brainer as a first-start to it.  I'll bring it up at our next meeting (Thursday)
[15:01] <jcastro> sweet, do you have a cool stakeholder tag we could put on the bug? perhaps we can both +1 it and get it more weight
[15:01] <jcastro> bloodearnest, http://imgur.com/UFhGwaB
[15:01] <jcastro> port 50070 on the master node
[15:01] <bloodearnest> jcastro: that'll do nicely thanks#
[15:02] <dpb1> jcastro: yes, I added 'landscape'  which is what we have been using, I think.
[15:02] <bloodearnest> jcastro: given I'll have no internet and be deploying to local provider, I may not use terasort, or my machine might freeze up :)
[15:03] <jcastro> I just ran it on my laptop
[15:03] <jcastro> worked fine, load went up but didn't crush the machine
[15:03] <bloodearnest> jcastro: cool! will try shortly
[15:03] <jcastro> very demoable, i7, 16GB of RAM though
[15:03] <sinzui> jcastro, "charmers" is the tag you probably want
[15:05] <jcastro> juju run --unit hadoop-master/0 "sudo -u hdfs /usr/lib/hadoop/terasort.sh"
[15:05] <jcastro> there's the magic right there ^
[15:06] <bloodearnest> awesomesauce
[15:06]  * bloodearnest tries it all out
[15:07] <jcastro> we leave the results all over the master though
[15:07] <jcastro> so you can only run it once
[15:11] <bloodearnest> jcastro: hm, just realised I'm really not gonna be able to do this without internet :/
[15:12]  * bloodearnest sets up EC2
[15:12] <jcastro> all you need is a video of the terasort
[15:12] <bloodearnest> jcastro: tru
[15:12] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: we are going to have a slew of incoming ssl-everywhere changes. Before I +1 this, I want your input on how you feel about the move from ssl_enabled to ssl => [on, off, only] - as I have a charm using the same convention. I didn't see another charm already approved with this at first glance - is this going to be a sticking point?
[15:25] <cory_fu> I have a question about the vagrant config: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-vagrant.html
[15:26] <cory_fu> I have an http service deployed and listening, and I can connect to it from the JujuQuickStart VM using wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/, and I have sshuttle running, but when I try to connect to that URL locally, I get "no data received" and a couple of STOP_SENDING and EOF lines show up from sshuttle
[15:27] <cory_fu> TIA for any suggestions
[15:29] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: what's the sshuttle line you're running?
[15:29] <cory_fu> sshuttle -e 'ssh -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null vagrant@localhost:2222' <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[15:30] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: try this instead, sshuttle -r vagrant@localhost:2222 <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[15:30] <noodles775> marcoceppi: Hi! I've just added a +1 with some comments to bloodearnest's new gunicorn charm. Not sure if that counts, or whether you're happy to then merge it, but let me know if there's anything else we can do to help get it landed: https://code.launchpad.net/~bloodearnest/charms/precise/gunicorn/cleanup/+merge/208558
[15:30] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: if that works, then we need to update our docs
[15:31] <marcoceppi> noodles775: we're dredging through the queue today, so it will likely have eyes on very soon, but your +1s do help!
[15:31] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: That does in fact work, and also explains the "vagrant" password line from the docs.  Thanks!
[15:32] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: cool, we'll need to update the docs to use that variant of the sshuttle command
[15:33] <noodles775> marcoceppi: great, thanks.
[15:37] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: there is a precidence set that the values should be on, off, only already
[15:39] <lazyPower> ack
[15:41] <jcastro> marcoceppi, I am getting a weird error with bundle proof
[15:42] <jcastro> https://gist.github.com/castrojo/9348790
[15:42] <jcastro> but earlier today it was working
[15:42] <marcoceppi> you don't proof a bundles.yaml
[15:42] <marcoceppi> jcastro: just run juju bundle proof from the bundle directory
[15:42] <jcastro> aha!
[15:42] <marcoceppi> jcastro: as for that bug, that's something else, the error you should be getting is FATAL: not a bundle
[15:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'll make sure the next release of charm-tools has better output for that
[15:43] <jcastro> want me to file it?
[15:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro: plz
[15:46] <jcastro> marcoceppi, juju bundle not being tab completeable, is that a charm-tools/plugin bug?
[15:46] <marcoceppi> yes
[15:46] <marcoceppi> charm-tools
[15:46] <marcoceppi> the debian package should create an autocomplete bash profile for charm-tools, it's a feature req
[15:47] <jcastro> "The review job grabs any branch with a linked branch that has ~charmers as a subscriber"
[15:47] <jcastro> you said you were 110% positive!
[15:48] <marcoceppi> jcastro: It was that way at one point
[15:48] <jcastro> yeah, but jcsackett hooked us up, o/
[15:48] <marcoceppi> hazmat: https://code.launchpad.net/~hazmat/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/ssl-everywhere/+merge/207912 removes a config option which we've typically frowned upon in the past as it breaks backwards compat
[15:49] <marcoceppi> I mean, I get the change
[15:49] <marcoceppi> but it would be a break from the policy we've been telling people
[15:56] <hazmat> marcoceppi, it doesn't remove it.. it deprecates it and provides a richer option
[15:56] <hazmat> and maintains compatibility with both
[15:56] <marcoceppi> hazmat: ah, I missed the compat, thanks for the clarification
[15:57] <hazmat> marcoceppi, those merge proposals are a bit old.. we've been working against a set of openstack-charmers branches.. the gist of it for rabbit is the same
[15:57] <marcoceppi> hazmat: cool, so is rabbitmq ready to go for review or?
[15:57] <hazmat> but there's a few more commits in the other branch.. for mysql there are siginficant changes in the openstacl-charmers branch
[15:58] <hazmat> marcoceppi, i'll yank the mps on the original ones
[15:58] <marcoceppi> hazmat: ack
[15:59]  * hazmat goes hunting 2fa device
[15:59] <jcastro> lazyPower or mbruzek, either of you have time to hit up Apache Syncope in the review queue today?
[16:00] <jcastro> all the metis stuff is fix committed as well
[16:00] <lazyPower> jcastro: slogging through the queue adding +1's
[16:02] <lazyPower> I'm at metis right now, will be on syncope shortly
[16:02] <marcoceppi> just got ot metis
[16:03] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: i just pulled the source want me to skip down?
[16:04] <marcoceppi> no, go ahead and review + deploy/test
[16:04] <marcoceppi> that's the josh strobul guy
[16:04] <jcastro> lazyPower, case of beer if you can get Syncope reviewed today
[16:04] <lazyPower> ack
[16:05] <lazyPower> i'll stop after syncope so I can claim that offer of suds
[16:05]  * marcoceppi was about to review it :(
[16:06] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: yeah, he's been a real champ in the community taking part in a lot of the discussions
[16:06] <lazyPower> i'm excited to see such involvement around juju from him. We should send him a shirt
[16:07] <lazyPower> jcastro: ^
[16:09] <lazyPower> i'm confused as to why metis is in the queue twice
[16:09] <lazyPower> any insight?
[16:10] <jcastro> probably a bug, you get a 2 for 1!
[16:12] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: idk why, just press on
[16:12] <jcastro> hey bcsaller_
[16:12] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: how do you run the tests for gunicorn? I didn't have a make target for it
[16:13] <bcsaller_> hey
[16:13] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi: nosetests
[16:13] <jcastro> bcsaller_,  I am working on the charm review assignments, are you a reviewing charmer?
[16:13] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi: I can add a make target
[16:14] <bcsaller_> jcastro: Normally yes, I'll have a hard time getting to it till my current project is over
[16:14] <jcastro> I'll put you last in the first rotation then, that should give you a few weeks
[16:14] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: that would be fantasic, just make unit_test seems to be the convention most people use
[16:14] <bcsaller_> jcastro: sounds good
[16:15] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: otherwise, lgtm
[16:16] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi: pushed up r35 with make unit_test
[16:17] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi: with a cleaner foundation, I have bunch of features to add (syslog, etc), hopefully amulet tests too
[16:17] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: sweet, I look forward to those
[16:23] <jcastro> evilnickveitch, pushed the reviewer page retitle
[16:23] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, cool
[16:25] <Ursinha> jcastro: hey :) is it possible to use juju and rackspace at the moment?
[16:25] <jcastro> Ursinha, sort of
[16:25] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-manual.html
[16:25] <lazyPower> daww :( doesn't look like the latest copy of his code is up in BZR
[16:26] <lazyPower> should I help him out and pull from github and note thats what I did?
[16:26] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi: and thanks for the merge :)
[16:28] <Ursinha> jcastro: so it works but kind of manually only?
[16:29] <lazyPower> or not... its not up in github
[16:29] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: wrt what?
[16:30] <marcoceppi> Ursinha: rackspace's openstack provider is still too far off from OpenStack upstream releases, so it doesnt' work with the openstack provider plugin in juju
[16:30] <marcoceppi> Ursinha: you have to manually spin up machines then enlist them in juju using the manual provider
[16:30] <Ursinha> right, got it marcoceppi
[16:30] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: metis charm didn't get the repository update that wsa promised in the card - i'm reviewing old code
[16:31] <lazyPower> none of the sha1sum's are in here, etc. I'll continue through the review but i'm hitting the exact same points you did.
[16:31] <dalek49> hi all, I'm not understanding relations. I've read and reread all the hook documentation, and 1) can't make most of it work (the tmux session seems to be broken) and 2) don't understand what I'm not doing. I'm trying to write a charm that interacts with the rabbitmq-server charm. I have an amqp-relation-changed hook in my charm, and I have rabbitmq & amqp listed in my metadata.yml; however, it keeps saying that there isn't any known relation betwee
[16:33] <lazyPower> I reached out to him 1:1 via email. I'll give it an hour before i submit my responses and set the bug back to incomplete.
[16:34] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: just ping him here JoshStrobl ^^
[16:35] <jcastro> Ursinha, yes, there's no provider for rackspace currently
[16:35] <lazyPower> or that
[16:36] <mgz> Ursinha: the openstack provider should work for rackspace... were they to actually provide several openstack features we expect
[16:36] <mgz> we could put some effort into working around their weirdness, but there's been no pressing need as of yet
[16:45] <jcastro> lazyPower, we sent him a shirt already, you know I got dis!
[16:46] <lazyPower> woot
[16:49] <marcoceppi> jcastro: why didn't you have mediawiki-scalable and mediawiki-simple in the same bundle branch?
[16:49] <jcastro> what do you mean
[16:49] <marcoceppi> actually, rick_h_, does quickstart/gui support inheritence for bundles?
[16:50] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yes
[16:50] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: cool
[16:50] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you could have done this:
[16:51] <marcoceppi> jcastro: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7033898/
[16:51] <marcoceppi> in one mediawiki bundles branch
[16:51] <jcastro> wait, what.
[16:51] <jcastro> we can do that?
[16:51] <marcoceppi> bundle branches can contain multiple bundles
[16:51] <marcoceppi> they get injested one bundle at a time, but a single branch can have multiples
[16:51] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: now those can be imported into charmorld, but not dragg/dropped in the gui
[16:52] <marcoceppi> jcastro: oh yeah, since the early days of deployer
[16:52] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: why not?
[16:52] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: because you drag the file and it doesn't know which bundle to deploy
[16:52] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: OH, you mean from the desktop
[16:52] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: there's a low priority item to build a drop UX to ask you but that's falling into the bundle pre-deployment config work
[16:52] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: right
[16:52] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: that's all I mean
[16:52] <marcoceppi> right, but the from GUI, when it gets injested, it's deployable
[16:53] <rick_h_> +1
[16:53] <marcoceppi> sweet
[16:53] <marcoceppi> jcastro: so I may have prematurely promulgated mediawiki-scalable, but you can merge simple -> scalable
[16:54] <marcoceppi> and then both will show, the branch name at this point is abritrary
[16:54] <marcoceppi> name of the bundle is taken from the top level key(s) in the bundles.yaml file
[16:54] <marcoceppi> which is why everything is plural
[16:54] <marcoceppi> I'm not sure if we'd want to define a best practice of one or the other, each have their pros and cons
[16:55] <jcastro> so don't we want to keep them seperate until we have UX?
[16:55] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we have the UX, unless you drag and drop from your computer
[16:55] <jcastro> that's like a main use case.
[16:55] <marcoceppi> but from the charm browser side, you'll see mediawiki-simple and mediawiki-scalable if they're in charmworld
[16:56] <marcoceppi> is it?
[16:58] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: is there a way to get the output of what the linter thinks is duplicate content from the Readme? *warning* I haven't looked at the code code in the linter yet
[16:59] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: there's a -v flag that is planned, but not implemented yet
[16:59] <lazyPower> ack
[16:59] <marcoceppi> but it's probably something simple
[16:59] <marcoceppi> usually in the contact link list
[17:00] <lazyPower> yeah, it matched on line6 of the boilerplate -- which is a blank line
[17:00] <lazyPower> @_@
[17:00] <lazyPower> clever charm proof... you win this round
[17:00] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: lines are only lines that are matchable
[17:01] <marcoceppi> not lines that are there, so it skips blanks lines
[17:01] <marcoceppi> and headers
[17:01] <marcoceppi> it's stupid, I know
[17:01] <lazyPower> well tis far better than nothing
[17:01] <lazyPower> and i value its presence
[17:52] <themonk> marcoceppi, is it possible to setup juju container in rackspace vm
[17:55] <themonk> marcoceppi, if possible then how do i config my environments.yaml
[18:01] <lazyPower> themonk: have you seen this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/166102/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-deployment-on-rackspace-cloud
[18:02] <themonk> marcoceppi, no thanks :)
[18:02] <lazyPower> we dont currently support rackspace, but there has been some WIP on that.
[18:28] <marcoceppi> themonk: you can use the manual provider
[18:29] <themonk> marcoceppi, what is manual provider?
[18:29] <marcoceppi> themonk: it's where you can bootstrap and deploy to arbitrary machines
[18:30] <marcoceppi> so like, any server with ssh access
[18:30] <marcoceppi> the downside, you have to spin up the machines in rackspace manually
[18:31] <themonk> marcoceppi, hmm yes i can i guess :)
[19:49] <Lord_Set2> Where can I find the Juju daily PPA?
[19:49] <Lord_Set2> Or what is the address of it?
[19:54] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: we don't have a daily ppa, if you want daily you can build the source yourself. Otherwise we release stables in ppa:juju/stable and devs in ppa:juju/devel
[20:00] <Lord_Set2> Thanks
[20:05] <Lord_Set2> Any reason why I would be getting the following error?
[20:05] <Lord_Set2> ERROR bootstrap failed: cannot start bootstrap instance: gomaasapi: got error back from server: 403 FORBIDDEN (You are not allowed to start up this node.)
[20:08] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: well, you're using maas, so this is a few things. Either you don't have any nodes available to your user, you're using the wrong API key, you don't have an SSH key in MAAS
[20:08] <marcoceppi> etc
[20:09] <Lord_Set2> I have an ssh key, I have 4 nodes available... and I generated a fresh api key for juju
[20:11] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: are they ready or commisioning?
[20:11] <Lord_Set2> Ready
[20:12] <marcoceppi> huh, well the 403 is maas's way of saying something's wrong and what you requested is not allowed
[20:12] <Lord_Set2> Alright. Are there any specific logs I can check for more information?
[20:14] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: I don't have my maas setup atm, so I can't say for certain unfortunately, you can try running juju bootstrap with --show-log and --debug flag to see where if anything things are not connecting
[20:14] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: I should have my MAAS setup working by tomorrow so if you don't have it by then we can dig deeper
[20:14] <Lord_Set2> Alright thank you
[21:05] <kirkland> Lord_Set: Lord_Set2: howdy!  are you guys joining the hangout for our Juju/MAAS discussion?
[21:16] <thumper> jcastro: around?
[21:16] <jcastro> yo!
[21:17] <thumper> jcastro: I just did "juju add-unit ubuntu -n 10" on the local provider
[21:17] <thumper> to test timings
[21:17] <jcastro> pffft. 10 is easy, do 100.
[21:17] <thumper> this is using lxc-clone, but no special backing at this stage
[21:17] <thumper> took 72s for all agents to be fully up
[21:17] <jcastro> Oh, I see
[21:17] <thumper> I'll do 100 when I have better backing storage
[21:18] <jcastro> that is much nicer, I've been testing the hadoop bundle and it's been about 10 minutes from nothing to fully up
[21:18] <thumper> each image is ~900Mb on disk
[21:18] <thumper> I think a lot of that time is file i/o copying approx 9gig on disk
[21:18] <themonk> marcoceppi, do need to bootstrap in local machine if i deploy in amazon ec2
[21:18] <thumper> I want to get some timings with overlayfs and btrfs
[21:18] <jcastro> hey so also, one thing we do
[21:18] <jcastro> is each instance does like apt-get update, upgrade, then the install hooks install a bunch of stuff
[21:19] <marcoceppi> thumper: no, you'll need to bootstrap ec2 to deploy in ec2
[21:19] <Lord_Set2> So once a node comes up is there any reason why it would prompt for a password as just the ssh should work correct?
[21:19] <thumper> marcoceppi: not me, themonk
[21:19] <marcoceppi> thumper: sorry, themonk ^^
[21:19] <thumper> jcastro: when using clone, it disables the initial apt-get update/upgrade
[21:19] <jcastro> thumper, your thing caches everything apt pulls down though right, not just the charms?
[21:19] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: if you're getting a password prompt something went wrong during cloudinit, you can access the node using the ubuntu password
[21:19] <thumper> so the images come up faster
[21:19] <jcastro> ah, so you're cheating. :)
[21:20] <thumper> not cheating, makeing awesome
[21:20] <jcastro> they eventually update though? you're not disabling just delaying I assume?
[21:20] <Lord_Set2> There is no password though unless it is a password that I don't know
[21:20] <thumper> jcastro: no, they don't update
[21:20] <thumper> the intent is to keep the template up to date
[21:20] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: the default ubuntu password for the ubuntu image is ubuntu
[21:20] <Lord_Set2> Oh ok
[21:20] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: but juju disables passwords via cloudinit
[21:21] <marcoceppi> so if you're getting a password, something went wrong
[21:21] <thumper> jcastro: also, heads up, I am making a core plugin 'juju-local'
[21:21] <marcoceppi> thumper: what's the plugin do?
[21:21] <thumper> it will get installed with the juju-local package
[21:21] <thumper> marcoceppi: it will have suspend/resume
[21:21] <thumper> and other methods for dealing with the template
[21:21] <marcoceppi> sweet
[21:21] <thumper> that is created for fast lxc cloning
[21:21] <Lord_Set2> So yeah... ubuntu doesn't work as a password
[21:22] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: how did you get these to spin up? with juju?
[21:22] <Lord_Set2> Yes
[21:22] <thumper> jcastro, marcoceppi: one thing that hazmat really wanted was for the local provider to not auto-restart on reboot
[21:22] <thumper> so I'm making it a config option
[21:23] <thumper> which will happen to default to "false"
[21:23] <thumper> which is one reason why we need "resume"
[21:23] <jcastro> that is perfect
[21:23] <hazmat> ie. how jorge killled his a machine
[21:23] <jcastro> because sometimes I want to suspend
[21:23] <thumper> to bring back up a suspended environment
[21:23] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: yeah, something has gone wrong then. how are you getting to this prompt? via console or trying to use juju ssh?
[21:23] <thumper> hazmat: acknowledged
[21:23] <hazmat> thumper, awesome btw
[21:23] <Lord_Set2> trying to ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:24] <thumper> hazmat: I've been thinking about overlayfs vs btrfs
[21:24] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: :\ something has gone wrong then
[21:24] <hazmat> thumper, though shall not mention overlayfs ;-)
[21:24] <hazmat> its aufs or not
[21:24] <Lord_Set2> Hmm ok
[21:24] <thumper> hazmat: starting containers on my machine is super fast, because I have a fast SSD
[21:24] <thumper> hazmat: ok, aufs
[21:24] <hazmat> thumper, its not starting.. its creating
[21:24] <hazmat> thumper, and cloning is superfast with aufs or btrfs
[21:24] <thumper> however my image size is around 900 meg per instance
[21:24] <hazmat> thumper, and its efficient with aufs or btrfs
[21:25] <thumper> the interesting bit is not modifying the underlying image when clones are running
[21:25] <thumper> I think in practice it will be fine
[21:25] <thumper> but I need to encode safety checks
[21:25] <hazmat> thumper, yes.. btrfs does the right thing, at the cost of duplicate bits.. aufs .. probably not
[21:25] <thumper> right
[21:25] <marcoceppi> Lord_Set2: stop the instance in maas, try again?
[21:25] <hazmat> thumper, i'd suggest not doing modifying the base, but creating new basea
[21:26] <hazmat> thumper, its possible aufs will do the right thing, but in an image or layer based world thats just not how you do it.. you always roll forward on a new commit/rel
[21:26] <thumper> hazmat: my suggestion is to just say "sorry, can't update the template with a local environment running"
[21:26] <thumper> do you think that is too harsh?
[21:26] <hazmat> thumper, its not right either though.. i think you can create a new layer or snapshot
[21:26] <hazmat> for the maintenance
[21:27] <hazmat> thumper, this is an issue i have with the current ubuntu-cloud template which i've been trying to address
[21:27] <thumper> what's that?
[21:27] <hazmat> thumper, it saves its image download/cache to the same file name
[21:27] <hazmat> regardless of the actual version / release
[21:27] <thumper> haha
[21:27] <thumper> yeah
[21:27] <thumper> my precise image is like almost a year out of date
[21:27] <hazmat> thumper, so i've been downloading them to the correct filename, and symlinking it to the target
[21:28] <hazmat> smoser, says its correct so we don't break people's scripts..
[21:28]  * thumper shrugs
[21:28] <hazmat> its broken for this use case, so working around is reasonable
[21:28] <thumper> so, who knows about aufs?
[21:28]  * hazmat raises hand
[21:28] <thumper> and should we use it over btrfs?
[21:28] <hazmat> thumper, you need trusty or lxc stable ppa
[21:28] <thumper> hazmat: I'm only doing fast lxc for trusty and above
[21:28] <hazmat> thumper, you auto decide based on underlying fs on /var/lib/lxc
[21:28] <thumper> so not an issue
[21:29] <hazmat> thumper, btrfs is more reliable
[21:29] <thumper> sure, that is a given
[21:29] <smoser> hazmat, the name was only changing at best every 6 months, when the content was changing every 3 weeks.
[21:29] <thumper> but if, like me, you have ext4
[21:29] <hazmat> thumper, aufs is pretty good, but it has issues with charms that do silly things
[21:29] <hazmat> like wordpress
[21:29] <thumper> we need some snapshot tech
[21:29] <smoser> so your illusion of "up to date" was bad anyway.
[21:29] <hazmat> installing nfs by default
[21:29] <hazmat> smoser, that's my point/issue exactly
[21:30] <thumper> hazmat, smoser: so can we not fix lxc to refetch images?
[21:30] <hazmat> smoser, i'm trying to use stream data now to download with the date rel name and then symlink into place on cache
[21:30] <smoser> yeah, your'e right . the lxc template is ont being smart.
[21:31] <thumper> hazmat: do I need to specify a backing for lxc-clone if on btrfs, or will it just do the right thing?
[21:31] <hazmat> thumper, that would help
[21:31] <smoser> we'd like to have some more intelligent like behavior elsewhere.
[21:31] <hazmat> thumper, you need to specify backing store on create if on btrfs as well
[21:31] <thumper> hazmat: so, back to aufs, is it likely to cause issues with charms?
[21:31] <hazmat> thumper, it generally works.. there are cases where it won't
[21:32] <hazmat> wordpress installing nfs without need was an example i hit of where it won't
[21:32] <thumper> that seems sub-optimal
[21:32] <hazmat> thumper, its way better than overlayfs
[21:32] <thumper> sure... not useful though
[21:32] <thumper> given that wordpress is one of the first things people install if following examples
[21:33] <thumper> we don't want to make it a shit experience
[21:33] <hazmat> thumper, fair enough.. i'd suggest we fix the charm :-)
[21:33] <thumper> what is the fundamental fault?
[21:34] <jcastro> do btrfs btw, I thought we were trying to get rid of aufs eventually
[21:34] <hazmat> thumper page fault'd out of memory.. don't remember anymore.. i'm planning on just adding options to allow user to select backing store with auto detect
[21:35] <jcastro> marcoceppi, when doing debug-hooks on my mysql instance it seems I am not in the charm's path
[21:35] <hazmat> thumper, the other option is lvm thinp but its  a bit more work
[21:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you have to be in a hook context
[21:35] <jcastro> because it doesn't recognize "hooks/blah", I have to give it the huge pwd of the hooks
[21:35] <thumper> ok, let me test this new behaviour with a btrfs loopback device
[21:35] <hazmat> jcastro, in the actual debug hooks context you will be
[21:35] <marcoceppi> if you're in the 0 window, you're not in a hook context
[21:35] <hazmat> thumper, dealing with size management on loop devs is going to be a pain, plus lack fsync..
[21:36] <thumper> yes...
[21:36] <thumper> so... what do we do?
[21:36] <hazmat> thumper, openvz did this ploop device for this case .. http://openvz.livejournal.com/40830.html
[21:36] <jcastro> juju debug-hooks mysql/0 start
[21:36] <jcastro> is that incorrect if I want to debug the start hook?
[21:37] <hazmat> thumper,  er.. better link. . http://openvz.org/Ploop .. doesn't help us though
[21:38] <thumper> hazmat: because lxc doesn't recognize it?
[21:39] <jcastro> marcoceppi, I don't think it's getting to the point where it's launching like a full debug-hooks environment
[21:39] <jcastro> this is the innodb pool size thing
[21:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you have to trigger a hook in order to be in a hook context
[21:39] <jcastro> yeah but the service never starts at all
[21:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: the 0 window in tmux is not a hook environment, it's just a standby window
[21:39] <thumper> hazmat: I could put all the btrfs loopback device management code into the juju-local plugin
[21:39] <thumper> and allow people to choose to use it
[21:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: just do a configuration change
[21:39] <jcastro> which is probably why no hooks exectute to begin with?
[21:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: to trigger config-changed
[21:40] <thumper> that way it becomes explicit
[21:40] <thumper> but juju itself doesn't have to care
[21:40] <jcastro> k, I'll investigate tomorrow, in the meantime, the hadoop bundle works now and is finished, just need to run the terasort
[21:40] <thumper> it just passes the right flags based on the fs of the container directory
[21:40] <jcastro> thumper, I did my first real juju run today
[21:40] <jcastro> juju run --unit hadoop-master/0 "sudo -u hdfs /usr/lib/hadoop/terasort.sh"
[21:41] <jcastro> after the hadoop bundle = success.
[21:41] <thumper> cool
[21:42] <hazmat> lazyPower, does your nagios upgrade-charm hook get called for config-change?
[21:43] <hazmat> thumper, putting it into a plugin doesn't change dev size mgmt issue
[21:44] <thumper> hazmat: I know
[21:44] <thumper> but if we make the user have to create it manually
[21:44] <thumper> we can inform them
[21:44] <thumper> and they are more aware of the issues
[21:44] <thumper> rather than just doing it by magic
[21:44] <thumper> and then they get confused as to what the problem is
[21:44] <hazmat> thumper, and they do what when it runs out of space?
[21:44] <thumper> hopefully we can catch that early
[21:45] <thumper> maybe...
[21:45] <thumper> and let them know
[21:45] <thumper> wouldn't be too hard
[21:45] <hazmat> let them know they should stop using it? we need research into remediation options
[21:45] <thumper> we can create another file/device and add to the btrfs volume, yes?
[21:47] <thumper> hazmat: but yes, that would be part of making it all work well
[21:47] <hazmat> thumper, not exactly.. its multi-dev raid
[21:48] <hazmat> thumper, ie. your not increasing the size per se
[21:48] <thumper> if we set it up as raid 0
[21:48] <thumper> why not?
[21:48] <thumper> I'm sure I read something about this
[21:49] <hazmat> thumper, don't forget fsync lies with loops...
[21:49]  * thumper sighs
[21:50] <hazmat> raid 0 on multiple devs with each of them lying about fsync..
[21:50] <thumper> you are the one that told me to do this in the first place...
[21:50] <thumper> I don't understand what you are getting at
[21:50] <thumper> are you saying "don't do it"?
[21:50] <thumper> or are you saying "warn the user"?
[21:50] <hazmat> thumper, i'm just trying to get to something that's reliable and works well if people use it alot
[21:50] <thumper> and if so, what is the real issue?
[21:50] <hazmat> thumper, its awesome your doing this, but i just want it to be thought through
[21:51] <thumper> ok, so fsync lies, what is the implication
[21:51] <hazmat> thumper, unclean shutdown on laptop..
[21:52] <hazmat> fs disk corruption, maybe needs btrfs repair
[21:52] <thumper> given that we'd need to bring btrfs back up prior to lxc starting
[21:53] <thumper> on the loopback devices
[21:53] <thumper> can't we just do the repair in the upstart job?
[21:54] <hazmat> sounds reasonable... smoser ^ any comments?
[21:55] <thumper> hazmat: I talked to one of hallyn or stgraber about this a few days ago
[21:55] <thumper> hazmat: about how to hook up the upstart jobs
[21:55] <thumper> so the fs is mounted prior to lxc trying to auto start containers
[21:56] <hazmat> cool
[21:56]  * hazmat has meeting bbiab
[21:56] <thumper> ack
[22:06] <jcastro> marcoceppi, you still working?
[22:06] <jcastro> I am thinking charm school next Fri
[22:06] <jcastro> here is our list of topics:
[22:06] <jcastro> - Writing your own Juju plugins
[22:06] <jcastro> - Using Juju Bundles
[22:06] <jcastro> - Using Juju in HA configurations *
[22:06] <jcastro> - Configuring Juju with the manual provider
[22:06] <jcastro> - Starting small and then going big, using Juju with containers.
[22:06] <jcastro> - Troubleshooting Juju Part I
[22:06] <jcastro> - Troubleshooting Juju Part 2
[22:06] <jcastro> - Using the Juju GUI in depth.
[22:20] <themonk> marcoceppi, does local container has any log fole to tail
[22:23] <lazyPower> hazmat: symlinked files. indeed.
[22:24] <lazyPower> it was like that when I found it, I should probably remove the upgrade-charm hookfile as it serves no real purpose, the same routine is run in succession when upgrading the charm as is.
[22:44] <hazmat> jcastro, writing bundles..
[22:45] <hazmat> jcastro, shout out for digital ocean
[22:46] <hazmat> thumper, back.
[22:46] <thumper> hazmat: kk, I'm currently testing with loopback devs
[22:46] <thumper> I'll report back later
[22:47] <thumper> about to go to the gym
[22:47] <hazmat> thumper, cool, i'm still thinking we should have aufs as an option
[22:47] <thumper> maybe...
[22:47] <hazmat> cause its the simplest thing that generally works
[22:47] <thumper> let's go for one first
[22:47] <thumper> then we can consider aufs
[22:48] <thumper> at least make juju btrfs aware
[22:48] <thumper> so containers are created and cloned fast and correctly
[22:48] <hazmat> sounds good
[22:48]  * thumper focuses on that
[23:17] <marcoceppi> themonk: yes, ~/.juju/local/log
[23:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: sounds good, was running errands