[00:17] <elz89> frewsxcv: I was not aware of uwsgi at the time of configuration. Maybe I will look into changing that. I also did not know of nginx, but I am going to give it a try on aspare
[00:17] <airtonix> nice xapian packages weren't compiled with python
[00:17] <airtonix> awesome
[00:17] <elz89> *a spare arch server I have just set up.
[01:30] <airtonix> i've got a ubuntu 10.10-server virtual machine running inside virtualbox 4.1 headles on a ubuntu 64bit 10.10-server host. it uses bridged networking. when i use ssh to do stuff on the 10.10 vm guest the terminal repsonse to typing is __reallllllyy__ slow, it uses 2gb of ram and has two cores. the server is an i7 3ghz with 8gb of ram. any ideas?
[01:36] <airtonix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1752906
[03:04] <airtonix> gahhh that did nothing
[03:04] <airtonix> still slow as a muckraker
[03:04] <airtonix> type a letter, wait 2secs, letter appears
[03:06] <twb> airtonix: what diagnostics have you already tried?
[03:09] <airtonix> not even sure what to do
[03:10] <airtonix> my other two vm guests ( also ubuntu-server 10.10) don't have this delay response with ssh sessions i have running. i have all three running at the same time and all have ssh sessions going
[03:12] <twb> Well, for example, have you looked for suspicious resource usage in top?  Have you tcpdumped?  Have you compared the /etc/ trees for different settings?
[03:13] <twb> Just to be clear, you're sshing *from* a normal machine *to* the VM, right?
[03:13] <twb> Your terminal emulator isn't running inside an emulated system
 Just to be clear, you're sshing *from* a normal machine *to* the VM, right? <<<< yes
[03:17] <twb> The particular failure case you're getting sounds to me like swap-thrashing or similar
[03:18] <twb> It's not likely to be something like vda being slow because it's a qcow2 when the others are raw, because that would only have an effect after you hit the enter key and sent the command, whereas you're saying this is happening on each keypress
[03:18] <twb> It could also be that the ssh line is flooded, hence tcpdump.
[03:19] <twb> Could be something obscure like ip n caching isn't happening so every TCP packet needs an ARP handshake first.
[03:29] <linocisco> hi
[03:41] <airtonix> twb yeah i don't even know how to deal with any of that
[03:48] <linocisco> how to download and burn all required packages on CD/DVD and reuse that time to time without internet
[03:48] <linocisco> ?
[03:50] <qman__> linocisco, every package you install from the internet gets downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:51] <qman__> unless you manually delete them or run apt-get clean, they will still be there
[03:51] <qman__> so if you have a system set up the way you want, just copy all the files from there
[03:57] <DanaG>   create_connection_server_info failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[03:57] <DanaG> I'm getting that when trying to point Windows Backup at my home share.
[03:57] <DanaG> oops, wait, fixed that, but now:
[03:57] <DanaG>   elitebook (<IP_ADDRESS>) connect to service dana initially as user dana (uid=1000, gid=1000) (pid 15214)
[03:57] <DanaG> Nothing after that.
[03:59] <lickalott> you have a samba share setup and have set everything appropriately?
[04:00] <DanaG> I can write to files fine, but the "permissions" interface in Windows shows funky results (owner only has "special").
[04:01] <DanaG> It may very well be Windows failing, but I can't tell that.  I can create files, but not "change permissions" via samba, as I assume the backups thing wants to do.
[04:01] <lickalott> change the permissions on the samba share
[04:03] <qman__> yeah
[04:03] <qman__> samba creates the 'share' permissions that windows expects
[04:04] <qman__> and approximates NTFS security
[04:05] <qman__> I couldn't tell you off hand what option precisely you need
[04:05] <qman__> but there's a lot more of them than the stock configuration lets on
[04:07] <DanaG> I try to change the permissions, I get "access denied".
[04:09] <DanaG> How do I get more, but not horrendously much more, debug info?
[04:21] <DanaG> Hmm, "access mask" bits are all unset on the server's SMB response.
[04:21] <DanaG> er, "read attributes" and "sync" are set.
[04:22] <DanaG> So, looks like it's a permissions issue.
[04:22] <DanaG> Not quite "access denied", but instead, "you didn't give me the permissions I asked for."
[04:23] <DanaG> er, wait... they're unset on the REQUEST, as well.
[04:24] <DanaG> Create options: .... .... .... .... .1.. .... .... .... = Backup Intent: This is a create with BACKUP INTENT
[04:26] <airtonix> twb: through experimentation i think i reducedthe problem but not eliminated it by sudo service <something> stop a bunch of stuff including byobu (which was spiking now and then)
[04:29] <linocisco> how to burn files  in  /var/cache/apt/archives from server ?
[04:33] <DanaG> okay, so it's samba being funky.
[04:37] <DanaG> okay, so it seems things owned dana:staff are erroring, but things owned dana:dana are not.
[04:39] <DanaG> So, my permissions are funky.
[04:43] <DanaG> Should I try Samba 4?
[04:44] <DanaG> oh, and it's on ZFS, by the way.  chacl not supported.
[04:44] <DanaG> Homes are on zfs, that is.
[04:44] <DanaG> Because btfs is usesless without a fsck that can actually fix.
[04:47] <DanaG> To heck with it; I'm trying samba4.
[04:52] <DanaG> GNUTLS failed to initialise - Error while reading file.
[04:53] <DanaG> Unable to save certificate in /var/lib/samba/private/tls/cert.pem parent dir exists ?
[04:53] <DanaG> That's a copy-and-paste.
[04:58] <DanaG> okay, scratch samba4.
[05:00] <DanaG> weird... I uninstalled 4 and reinstalled 3, and did smbpasswd, and now it works.  Go figure.
[05:00] <twb> airtonix: byobu is just a wrapper around screen
[05:00] <twb> airtonix: it shouldn't be doing anything interesting
[07:19] <lambda_x> anybody knows why adding -net user,hostfwd directive makes vm use 100% cpu and make starts to choke whole server?
[07:19] <lambda_x> (kvm, 11.04)
[07:43] <twb> lambda_x: that's for punching holes throught the userspace NAT?
[07:43] <twb> Yeah
[07:43] <twb> What was the full command line?
[07:44] <lambda_x> one sec
[07:45] <lambda_x> twb: /usr/bin/kvm -monitor unix:/var/run/kvm/dummy.socket,server,nowait -vnc <IP_ADDRESS>:5908 -name dummy,process=dummy -rtc base=localtime -M pc-0.12 -balloon virtio -m 512 -drive file=/dev/vol0/dummy-boot,if=virtio,index=0,media=disk,boot=on,cache=none -drive file=/dev/vol0/dummy,if=virtio,index=1,media=disk,boot=off,cache=none -vga cirrus -S -daemonize -pidfile /var/run/kvm/dummy.pid -boot c -net nic,vlan=0,model=virtio,macaddr=fe:16:3e:75:89:cd -net tap,vlan=0
[07:46] <twb> Well, unless you are adding another -net nic, I guess it's confused as shit trying to both DNAT and TUN the one virtual NIC.
[07:46] <twb> Er, s/TUN/TAP/
[07:47] <lambda_x> well, so it is impossible?
[07:47] <twb> You can't have both a userspace NAT and a tun on the same virtual NIC
[07:47] <lambda_x> to have tapped interface and redirect port?
[07:47] <twb> s/tun/tap again
[07:47] <twb> If you want to do port redirection of a TAP you do it in the firewall of the host OS
[07:48] <twb> Because that's where the NAT, if any, will be
[07:48] <twb> userspace NAT is in kvm/qemu for when you are running it as a non-root user and don't have permission to TAP
[07:51] <lambda_x> well, that is good idea... :)
[07:52] <lambda_x> tyvm twb
[07:53] <twb> You could've worked if you if you stared at -net manpage entries for a few more hours
[07:53] <twb> That's what I did
[07:53] <twb> It is, sadly, not very obvious
[07:55] <lambda_x> true
[08:16] <Alan> I was hoping somebody might help me... I'm having issues with disk usage quotas....
[08:17] <twb> Alan: you forgot to mount it -ousrquota
[08:17] <Alan> no I didn't :P
[08:17] <Alan> the quota is working, it's just not correctly
[08:18] <Alan> so according to dumpe2fs, the block size is 4k
[08:18] <twb> Wrong kind of block
[08:18] <twb> (IIRC)
[08:18] <Alan> ... seriously?
[08:19] <Alan> what kind of block is a filesystem quota going to use if not a filesystem block?
[08:19] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/128041/
[08:19] <twb> That's a working hard quota of 1GiB per user on /home, on ext4 on lucid
[08:19] <twb> (The inode limits are currently way too high; ignore them.)
[08:19] <Alan> ok, well thanks for that
[08:20] <Alan> but I totally want to slap whoever decided that "block" was the correct terminology there
[08:20] <twb> It's block limit as in blocks vs. inodes
[08:21] <jamespage> Daviey: want me to pickup the iscsi tests?  still have my test rig intact
[08:21] <Alan> when you say "block limits" in relation to a filesystem, how is it supposed to mean anything other than filesystem blocks?
[08:21] <Alan> twb: i understand the difference, but it's still ambiguous terminology
[08:21] <Alan> i.e. it implies the wrong units
[08:21] <twb> Alan: the way you should have worked this out, is to set it to a number like 1k or 1M, then dd /dev/zero into a file and see where it chokes
[08:21] <Alan> especially since the inode limit is the number of inodes
[08:21] <Alan> the block limit is intuitively the number of blocks...
[08:21] <twb> FWIW not all filesystems are block-oriented in the first place
[08:22] <Alan> twb: i thought i had done that, effectively...
[08:22] <twb> Alan: maybe your test was bogus because quotaon wasn't on?
[08:23] <Alan> it was on
[08:23] <Alan> it was an unscientific test though
[08:24] <twb> Now you know better
[08:24] <Alan> I set the quota to 1024, and started SFTPing stuff until it errored
[08:24] <Alan> which it did
[08:24] <Alan> I didn't actually check exactly how much space i'd used though...
[08:26] <Alan> so... are the M/G suffixes valid when specifying limits?
[08:26] <twb> Probably not
[08:26] <Alan> or just there for convenience in the output?
[08:26] <Alan> damn :(
[08:26] <twb> quotatools is from the dark ages
[08:28] <Alan> so... those are 1k blocks then?
[08:31] <twb> I think they are 1b blocks
[10:11] <linocisco> hi
[10:11] <linocisco> i have only P3 with 2*128MB SDRAM, can I install ubuntu server on that Compaq Ex815 computer ?
[10:11] <jmarsden> linocisco: I think 10.04 LTS should install on that.  I have installed it on machines about that age and capabiity.  But the best way to find out is to try it :)
[10:12] <linocisco> jmarsden: thanks man
[10:13] <jmarsden> linocisco: You're welcome.  have fun :)
[10:13] <linocisco> jmarsden: that is obsolete in office . so i got it as present
[10:14] <jmarsden> Yes, it's not much use in a normal office environment as a workstation any more :)
[10:14] <jmarsden> 3am here, I need to sleep ... goodnight.
[10:14] <linocisco> jmarsden: I am trying to make the most out of it. with pure CLI server. I want to install mail server on it
[10:15] <linocisco> jmarsden: ok. good nite
[10:29] <acalvo> how can I disable the xorg server in a livecd to not start at boot time?
[10:30] <acalvo> trying to create a custom livecd
[10:36] <jamespage> Daviey: just looking at the bug queue - does bug 835625 need to be noted for beta-1
[10:36] <jamespage> ?
[11:02] <blinkiz> I installed a virtual machine with ubuntu 11.04 server. I can not get the 70-persistent-net.rules to be generated. What am I doing wrong?
[11:19] <xokvictor_> join #ubuntu-server-ru
[11:22] <xokvictor> Hi people, i have some problem with UEC. How i can make failover cloud controller?
[11:35] <just-a-visitor> blinkiz: Check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562211 if it applies.
[11:53] <zul> smb: so those two patches from xen hg will fix your hypervisor bug?
[11:54] <smb> zul, Yes, first one fixes the disk, second one the NIC
[11:54] <zul> smb: cool ill get it in after the beta
[11:55] <smb> zul, Excellent. With those we can at least boot kernels before Oneiric.
[11:55] <smb> in hvm mode
[11:57] <linocisco> hi
[11:57] <linocisco> how to check if my desired domain name is taken or free?
[11:57] <zul> morning btw
[12:03] <linocisco> I am setting up ubunt mail server with dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[12:03] <linocisco> please help in choosing some options
[12:05] <linocisco> should I choose Procmail for local delievery ? Yes or No ???
[12:06] <linocisco> hi
[12:11] <linocisco> hi all
[12:11] <linocisco> i got error in postfix
[12:11] <linocisco> what do I do ?
[12:11] <Pici> Posting the error would be a good start. Use a pasetbin though.
[12:11] <linocisco> telnet mail.example.org 25 = could not resolve .xxxxxx.org/25:Temporary failure in name resolution
[12:11] <linocisco> what do I do ?
[12:13] <Pici> thats not really a postfix error, it sounds like either your DNS is malfunctioning or there is an issue with your domain registration.
[12:15] <linocisco> Pici: I have no config on network cards and no DNS server. that server is now standalone without internet
[12:15] <linocisco> Pici: how can I make it work?
[12:15] <linocisco> Pici: giving IP address can solve ?
[12:16] <Pici> linocisco: is your server's hostname '.xxxxxx.org' or whatever?
[12:16] <linocisco> Pici: yes. let say example.org
[12:16] <linocisco> Pici: how can I check host name ?
[12:16] <Pici> linocisco: the command is 'hostname'
[12:17] <linocisco> yes.
[12:17] <linocisco> Pici: yes. I see
[12:17] <linocisco> Pici: it is hostname=ubuntuserver
[12:17] <Pici> linocisco: so use that name instead of '.xxxxxx.org'
[12:17] <jamespage> zul, Daviey, RoAkSoAx: any of you guys have a bit of time to sponsor a few jenkins related merge proposals for me?
[12:18] <zul> how many beers are we talking about? ;)
[12:18] <linocisco> Pici: I got it
[12:19] <linocisco> Pici: i got telnet  = fine. ehlo xxxx.org = fine
[12:20] <linocisco> Pici: btw, can I install dovecot from ubuntu server CD ?
[12:20] <ersi> :|
[12:20] <jamespage> zul: beer (>=4) | beer (< 5)
[12:21] <jamespage> :-)
[12:21] <ersi> In about two hours, we will be beering at the office \o/
[12:21] <zul> jamespage: oh hell ok....give them here
[12:21] <ersi> Thanks for remining me :-)
[12:21] <jamespage> zul: ta
[12:26] <Daviey> jamespage: oh joy, multiarch fallout.
[12:26] <jamespage> Daviey: well maybe
[12:27] <jamespage> the last change was a multiarch change
[12:27] <jamespage> but I can't reproduce ATM
[12:27] <Daviey> :/
[12:29] <linocisco> hi
[12:29] <linocisco> how can I add apt proxy on 10.04 LTS server?
[12:30] <linocisco> i found no apt.conf file under /etc/apt
[12:34] <linocisco> hi
[12:37] <Daviey> ttx: ^^ seen that?
[12:37] <linocisco> i found no apt.conf file under /etc/apt
[12:37] <linocisco> i found no apt.conf file under /etc/apt
[12:38] <ttx> Daviey: ack
[12:38] <ersi> linocisco: Just add the CD into /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:39] <linocisco> ersi: uncommenting ??
[12:40] <ersi> Yes. And if it's wrong, correcting it.
[12:42] <linocisco> ersi: why would I need CD while my server is connected to internet ?
[12:42] <ersi> I'm sorry, I can't help you. I'm about to lose it when I'm trying
[12:42] <Daviey> Hmm.. i had better get the TechnicalOverview for Beta 1 done, and known bugs.  Anything jumping out at people for stuff to inlclude.
[12:42] <linocisco> ersi: lose what?
[12:43] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: ensemble api work, all works now?  Is that something i can add?
[12:44] <ersi> Control of my mind, and my ability to be helpful. I'm gonna go do something else now. Good luck.
[12:44] <linocisco> ersi: ok
[12:45] <linocisco> hi  all. I lost apt.conf file under /etc/apt
[12:45] <linocisco> what do I do ??
[12:50] <linocisco> hi  all. I lost apt.conf file under /etc/apt
[12:50] <cloakable> shocking
[12:55] <linocisco> hi all please help me
[12:57] <linocisco> hi all
[12:58] <soren> How can you lose a file?
[12:58] <linocisco> soren: I dont know . I found apt.conf.d folder instead of apt.conf file
[12:59] <linocisco> soren:  because I need to point correct apt proxy to download files with apt-get install command
[12:59] <linocisco> soren: actually I didn't configure apt  and network during installation
[12:59] <soren> There is no apt.conf by default.
[12:59] <soren> Just create it.
[13:00] <linocisco> soren:  that's all ?
[13:01] <soren> Well...
[13:01] <soren> You have to put your configuration in there.
[13:01] <soren> Or put it in a file in apt.conf.d.
[13:03] <linocisco> soren: Acquire::http::Proxy myproxy.net:8080 ??
[13:03] <soren> Have you tried?
[13:03] <soren> Try before you ask.
[13:04] <linocisco> soren: thank alot. I put outside of apt.conf.d folder. it is working now
[13:05] <linocisco> soren:  you are long term ubuntu server geek. I saw your name in mailing list for such a long time.
[13:05] <soren> linocisco: Yes. I'm old.
[13:05] <soren> It's true.
[13:06] <hallyn> Daviey: we both forgot.  I can't create an ubuntu-virt ppa.
[13:06] <soren> I can.
[13:06] <zul> soren: you are decreped
[13:06] <linocisco> soren: I am now updating with apt-get update. then I will try to install (which package) to work with microsoft outlook
[13:06] <soren> zul: I'm almost sure that's not a word.
[13:06] <linocisco> soren:  some said. I need to install dovecot-common
[13:07] <soren> No idea. I live in the land of fairies and unicorns where there are no Microsoft clients.
[13:07] <zul> soren: you are right its spelled decrepit :)
[13:08] <soren> hallyn: Do you want me to?
[13:08] <soren> hallyn: Wait, hang on.
[13:08]  * hallyn hangs on
[13:09] <soren> hallyn: There. You can now.
[13:09] <soren> hallyn: Have fun.
[13:10] <Daviey> soren: May i have that foo aswell please ? :)
[13:10] <linocisco> soren: do you know what packages we need to install to work with microsoft outlook ? I am setting up mail server to be used by microsoft outlook client
[13:10] <soren> Daviey: I may be bribed into bestowing such foo upon you, yes.
[13:11] <soren> linocisco: Nope, no idea.
[13:11] <linocisco> soren: that is real difficult thing I even can' t find on youtube
[13:11] <soren> On... youtube?
[13:11] <Daviey> soren: I'll let you buy me a drink at ODS>
[13:12] <soren> Daviey: You know how to make me feel special.
[13:12] <nigelb> Reverse psychology at work right there.
[13:12] <Daviey> soren: There is $50 in my drawer, feel free to take that on your way out.
[13:13] <soren> Um.
[13:13] <soren> No.
[13:13] <soren> Just.. no :)
[13:14] <hallyn> soren: thanks :)
[13:15] <soren> Certainly.
[13:15] <roasted> if I'm on an Ubuntu LTS running as a server, no network manager, should I have my DNS servers within the interface file AS WELL AS etc resolv? Or just etc resolv?
[13:15] <roasted> Because I'm having some DNS issues on my ubuntu thin client LTSP server and I can't trace if it's network config or the server itself.
[13:15] <hallyn> Daviey: so do you still think i should call it qemu-0.15, or should i make a 'upstream-candidate' ppa for more general use?
[13:15] <hallyn> i fjeer to have ubuntu-virt end up like my acct with too many undeletable ppas...
[13:15] <soren> roasted: Using DHCP?
[13:16] <zul> if you call it upstream-candidate then you can reuse it for other things later
[13:16] <roasted> soren, DHCP is handled by windows. DHCP is disabled on the server. The server has a static IP for both interfaces.
[13:16] <soren> roasted: Then put it in resolv.conf
[13:16] <roasted> soren, it is... :(
[13:16] <Daviey> hallyn: upstream-candidate sounds ok to me
[13:16] <roasted> soren, I really can't figure this one out.
[13:16] <Daviey> fishy-software-is-it-crack also sounds OK
[13:16] <roasted> soren, now all of the sudden its working. what the...
[13:16] <soren> roasted: Whatever is in resolv.conf is what counts.
[13:18] <roasted> soren, It's strange. The clients themselves cannot ping by host name, however my laptop (plugged into a line that feeds into the Ubuntu server) can ping by hostname fine.
[13:18] <soren> Er..
[13:18] <soren> BAck up a bit.
[13:18] <soren> What are you trying to do, exactly? This doesn't sound like DNS at all.
[13:21] <roasted> soren, basically I have a thin client server here. IT's 10.04 64 bit. It has 2 network ports. each one is subnetted into a different IP range from the main network.
[13:21] <roasted> soren, both switches are Dell 3548's. One network port to one switch. Then the switch connects to 30 systems in the lab.
[13:21] <roasted> NIC 1 - 3548 - 30 thin clients that PXE boot to it. 10.52.18.X network on triple 255 subnet.
[13:22] <roasted> NIC 2 - 3548 - 30 thin clients that PXE boot to it. 10.52.17.X network on triple 255 subnet.
[13:22] <roasted> The main network is 10.52.X.X (third octet being whatever building it is) on <IP_ADDRESS>.
[13:22] <roasted> I'm just kind of confused on where it could be.
[13:23] <roasted> The LTSP guys are also telling me I could put a DNS entry in the LTS.conf file, which controls how LTSP operates.
[13:23] <roasted> one of the LTSP devs told me to do that, and then said: I have found that in some of the versions, we don't have the initramfs code to update resolv.conf on the client from dhcp
[13:23] <roasted> perhaps I should try it quick
[13:24] <soren> You're confused where *what* could be?
[13:28] <roasted> soren, the issue.
[13:28] <roasted> soren, sec, Im trying the devs suggested fix.
[13:29] <soren> And I'm asking what the issue is.
[13:30] <roasted> yeah, no dice.
[13:30] <roasted> on the clients, I cant ping by hostname.
[13:30] <roasted> however, I can plug in my laptop to a port the client was plugged into, and I can ping by hostname then
[13:31] <Pici> It sounds like there may be an issue with your dhcp server.
[13:31] <soren> You can't ping what by hostname?
[13:31] <soren> Can you ping google?
[13:32] <Pici> nm, that line of questioning is probably better.
[13:37] <roasted> oh wow
[13:37] <roasted> I can ping google. I can't ping our file server.
[13:40] <ersi> There's your problem
[13:46] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ensemble api?
[13:47] <soren> hallyn: Does this look familiar? error: Unable to create cgroup for instance-00000002: No such file or directory
[13:48] <roasted> looks like this may be it
[13:48] <roasted> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1626167
[13:48] <hallyn> soren: yes
[13:48] <hallyn> soren: stop libvirt-bin; start libbvirt-bin
[13:48] <soren> hallyn: What gives?
[13:48] <hallyn> well lemme know if that fixes it first :)
[13:48] <soren> It did.
[13:48] <soren> Thanks :)
[13:48] <roasted> bingo. fixed.
[13:49] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: all the orchestra stuff is in ensemble trunk now
[13:49] <hallyn> soren: bug 828061
[13:49] <hallyn> soren: best workaround is swap cgroup-lite for cgroup-bin
[13:49] <soren> hallyn: Otherwise I'll have to restart libvirt-bin every time I.... what?
[13:49] <hallyn> I need to insert a different barrier between cggconfig and libvirt upstart jobs
[13:49] <hallyn> every time you boot
[13:49] <soren> Oh.
[13:50] <hallyn> libvirt-bin just needs to start a bit later
[13:51] <soren> It's because cgroups-bin reclassifies the existing libvirtd or something?
[13:51] <hallyn> right,
[13:51] <soren> Hmm.
[13:51] <hallyn> and i think most often, cgconfig gets the list of pids,
[13:51] <hallyn> then libvirt spawns off 8 threads,
[13:52] <hallyn> then cgconfig reclassifies the pids it has
[13:52] <hallyn> whcih do not include the newly spawned threads
[13:52] <hallyn> so really while cgconfig starts, the whole system should be frozen
[13:52] <hallyn> the libcgroup stuff is going to cease to be developed, with functionality going into systemd,
[13:53] <hallyn> and i think that's the right move.
[13:53] <soren> Oh.
[13:53] <hallyn> the run-time daemon thing is inherently racy.  there are unsolvable races requiring a different kernel-user api
[13:53] <soren> Do you have a plan for fixing this?
[13:54] <hallyn> cgroup-lite :)
[13:54] <hallyn> but no, i could stand to have a chat for ideas if you're up for it
[13:55] <hallyn> could help to pull in speakman
[13:55] <hallyn> uh, SpamapS  i meant
[13:55] <hallyn> soren: to be more precise, the libvirt one i can fix, but the general case is problematic
[13:56] <hallyn> hm, maybe the libcgroup-libvirt-waiter.conf should turn into a more generic libcgroup-pause-all-daemons-using-libcgroup.conf
[13:58] <speakman> :p
[13:59] <hallyn> speakman: apologies :)
[13:59] <speakman> hallyn: no worries :D
[14:03] <soren> hallyn: That was what I was going to suggest :)
[14:05] <afeijo> hi guys, I have a new acct that is not getting any emails. How to proper set that acct inbox? using postfix here
[14:06] <rbasak> hi utlemming, Daviey has asked me to sort out the qemu arm image - I understand you built the binary image for it?
[14:06] <utlemming> rbasak: yup
[14:07] <rbasak> I can't get it to run :-)
[14:07] <hallyn> soren: a more generic waiter job?  I'm not sure of the best way to get that done though
[14:07] <utlemming> rbasak: well, your my new best friend
[14:07] <rbasak> Daviey wasn't sure if it had ever worked
[14:07] <rbasak> lol
[14:07] <rbasak> I'd like to start by reproducing your build
[14:07] <utlemming> rbasak: the image works -- I used qemu-system-arm to get the image created
[14:08] <utlemming> rbasak: the problem is the kernel
[14:08] <rbasak> lol
[14:08] <rbasak> well that's what I was trying to get to run :)
[14:08] <rbasak> I'd said to Daviey before that the userspace will probably all work and the issue is the kernel :-P
[14:08] <utlemming> rbasak: initially we were told to use the linario-vexpress kernel, but that kernel is not compiled by Ubuntu
[14:09] <utlemming> so we got told to use the OMAP kernel. The OMAP kernel requires a bootloader (u-boot) I believe to be installed on the image
[14:09] <hallyn> soren: i'll send an email to ubuntu-server with the problem and what we're dong so far
[14:09] <rbasak> I think we need a versatileab kernel
[14:09] <rbasak> qemu-system-arm doesn't appear to support OMAP
[14:10] <utlemming> rbasak: :)
[14:10] <utlemming> rbasak: hang out in #ubuntu-arm and they'll tell you otherwise :)
[14:10] <utlemming> what your hitting is that the OMAP and Beagle emulation requires a special boot loader installed on the image
[14:11] <rbasak> But qemu refuses to start without a kernel image
[14:11] <rbasak> (in ARM mode)
[14:12] <rbasak> Oh, hang on
[14:12] <rbasak> Ah, I should be using -M beagle or something?
[14:12] <utlemming> yes
[14:12] <utlemming> then the images need to have u-boot or some sort of firmware installed
[14:13] <rbasak> OK I follow
[14:13] <rbasak> is there a spec for what the bootloader built into -M beagle is doing?
[14:14] <utlemming> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
[14:16] <Daviey> utlemming: Oh? I thought qemu-system-arm could exec the kernel directly?
[14:23] <utlemming> Daviey: yeah, it can, but the OMAP kernel says, "no boot device found"
[14:25] <robos> hello, am I seeing this right? Ubuntu 10LTS will install solr version 1.4?
[14:25] <soren> robos:       solr | 1.4.0+ds1-1ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | source
[14:25] <soren> robos: Yes.
[14:25] <Pici> Seems like it.
[14:25] <Pici> yep.
[14:26] <robos> yikes. Even 11.04 is 1.4.1. The latest version out is 3.1
[14:28] <rbasak> utlemming: I'm pretty sure that message is from the qemu's beagle bootloader emulator rather than the kernel
[14:29] <utlemming> rbasak: interesting
[14:30] <rbasak> utlemming: going the beagle emulation route seems a bit obtuse for what we need
[14:31] <rbasak> utlemming: http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/wiki/UserManual
[14:31] <rbasak> (have to generate a separate nand image maybe, etc)
[14:32] <rbasak> utlemming: what do you think of using a different machine type (and thus kernel) to save having to create an additional intermediate image?
[14:32] <utlemming> rbasak: "bit obtuse" would be overly generous
[14:32] <rbasak> utlemming: (given that qemu already supports not having to go down the bootloader route for arm in versatibleab)
[14:33] <rbasak> I mean we're not trying to emulate beagle here, qemu is our target
[14:33] <utlemming> rbasak: I'm absolutely fine with that -- but AFAIK, we don't have a kernel with the meta package that will work on versatibleab
[14:33] <rbasak> OK, I don't really know what would be involved in adding a different kernel
[14:34] <hallyn> stgraber: ping for pushing libcgroup 0.37.1-1ubuntu6 for bug 838380 ?
[14:34] <stgraber> hallyn: archive is still frozen for beta1
[14:35] <jamespage> robos: solr is well behind at the moment - however work is going on to package lucene3 + solr3 (now part of the same source package) in Debian which should land next release (12.04)
[14:35] <hallyn> stgraber: oh, i thought i heard a rumor that it was unfreezing today :)
[14:35] <hallyn> drat
[14:35] <hallyn> stgraber: are you on ubuntu-server m-l?
[14:36] <hallyn> zul: do i understand right that there is nothing you need from the candidate libvirt 0.9.3-5 merge?  you just need an arm patch that can just as well go into the current package?
[14:37] <robos> jamespage, when do you think the next LTS version will be out?
[14:37] <zul> hallyn: it can go in the current package i just have to rediff it
[14:37] <robos> Well, you probably can't answer that. :-)
[14:37] <robos> But... I wonder if compiling solr and making it an ubuntu package will do the trick
[14:38] <hallyn> zul: ok, we have enough crap to fix without the merge, i'm thinking of marking the FFE bug invalid
[14:38] <zul> hallyn: ok cool with me
[14:38] <hallyn> for that matter, Daviey was right to ask if there was anything in qemu 0.15 that we needed.  I'm not convinced.
[14:38] <zul> ill get on it after what im done here
[14:38] <hallyn> great, thx.  i'll roll it in with the other two fixes i'm waiting to push
[14:39] <zul> which fixes?
[14:39] <hallyn> Daviey: pls do put out the call for testing for qemu 0.15 like you were going to, and we'll see if anyone says "i need this"
[14:39] <hallyn> zul: for bugs 828211  and 832123
[14:39] <zul> hallyn: cool beans
[14:40] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, it should unfreeze once beta1 is out a bit later today. I'm not subscribed to ubuntu-server
[14:41] <utlemming> rbasak: hang on -- it looks like Daviey might have you put on a wild goose chase
[14:42] <utlemming> rbasak: I'm now seeing a linux-image-versatile (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta)
[14:42] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, i wanted to have a conversation about fixing the race with libcgroup startup.  i'll cc: you?
[14:43] <jamespage> robos: should be april 2012
[14:43] <rbasak> utlemming: OK, so can we build the image using that?
[14:43] <rbasak> In fact to test I can just grab the binary image
[14:43] <stgraber> hallyn: yep, just CC me
[14:43] <hallyn> great, thanks
[14:43] <robos> april 2012 for LTS? sweet!
[14:44] <jamespage> robos: the packages should land in Debian in the next month or so - its just not good timing for oneiric as that would be very later in the cycle
[14:44] <hallyn> LOL! of course there *is* a simpler solution to the libcgroup startup.  Make '/' the default cgroup.
 utlemming: OK, so can we build the image using that?
 In fact to test I can just grab the binary image
[14:46] <rbasak> It doesn't seem to be in the latest build :-/
[14:47] <jamespage> robos: oh - and solr skipped version 2.x altogther so its not that out-of-date :-)
[14:49] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am having issues after following the postfix and dovecot wiki's to setting up the servers. now my issue it seems like i am having issues authenticating with the imap server
[14:50] <utlemming> rbasak: humm....where are you looking for the kernel?
[14:50] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me with debugging the issue as I am getting increasingly frustrated
[14:50] <rbasak> utlemming: same page, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta
[14:53] <utlemming> rbasak: your right
[14:53] <eagles0513875> any ideas as to my issue ?
[14:57] <eagles0513875> any dovecot imap authentication experts in here cuz i am at a total lost
[15:10] <skaet> anyone know if Daviey's around?
[15:15] <hallyn> skaet: he was...
[15:16] <skaet> hallyn, thanks.
[15:17] <eagles0513875> hey guys question
[15:17] <eagles0513875> what should my permissions be set to for squirrelmail
[15:17] <patdk-wk> both dovecot's and postfix's websites explain how to do it correctly
[15:17] <patdk-wk> permissions? doesn't matter at all
[15:17] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: im following ubuntu squirrelmail documentation
[15:17] <eagles0513875> well im having issues with it loading right
[15:18] <patdk-wk> oh, the website won't even load?
[15:18] <eagles0513875> ERROR: Could not complete request. Query: SELECT "INBOX" Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2011-09-01 17:16:39]
[15:18] <eagles0513875> and
[15:18] <eagles0513875> ERROR: Could not complete request. Query: LSUB "" "*" Reason Given: [NOPERM] No permission to read subscriptions
[15:19] <cloakable> That sounds like an IMAP error, not a squirrelmail error
[15:19] <eagles0513875> cloakable:  O_o
[15:19] <eagles0513875> how so
[15:19] <cloakable> what?
[15:20] <eagles0513875> how is that an imap error
[15:20] <cloakable> dovecor isn't giving squirrelmail permission to check folders
[15:20] <cloakable> *dovecot
[15:20] <eagles0513875> and how do i fix that
[15:20] <cloakable> Have a look at the permissions on your mailfolders.
[15:21] <eagles0513875> the permission is fine
[15:21] <cloakable> Check your dovecot configuration to see if it's looking in the right place. Check the error log
[15:21] <cloakable> try logging in using telnet
[15:22] <eagles0513875> logging in via telnet works
[15:23] <cloakable> hmmm.
[15:31] <stgraber> hallyn: archive unfrozen. Looking at that upload now.
[15:31] <hallyn> stgraber: great, thx.
[15:33] <stgraber> hallyn: uploaded
[15:37] <eagles0513875> cloakable:
[15:37] <eagles0513875> problem solved
[15:38] <eagles0513875> need to update the dovecot wiki
[15:38] <jmarsden> eagles0513875: Go ahead and update it, wiki are editable :)
[15:38] <eagles0513875> ya i will
[15:38] <jmarsden> Ok, good.
[15:39] <eagles0513875> already updated the dovecot wiki with an issue i discovered with encrypted home directories
[15:40] <eagles0513875> now the problem im having it doesnt seem like my emails are coming through to my server
[15:50] <aleuck> hello, i  have 2 HDs (sda and sdb) and sda is not listed on blkid
[15:50] <aleuck> how can i format it to ext4 and mount?
[15:53] <jibel> smoser, Hi, why did you set bug 1 for test case http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6432/519 ? Is there a real bug or an infrastructure failure or ?
[15:58] <smoser> jibel, i updtaed it. i there were 2 boot failures seen there, i dont have a bug for the second, but i changed it to the first.
[15:59] <jibel> smoser, cool. thanks
[16:01] <smoser> but i do find it annoying that i can't log a failure without a bug
[16:13] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Have you been able to document ensemble for bare metal?
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i've notes here and there but nothing definitive just yet
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: wanted to actally have things working on the test righ though I'm just waiting for a fix from cloud-init to get that working again
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ut i will start writing a wikipage soon
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: this weekend/next week
[16:27] <smoser> SpamapS, around ?
[16:31] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: please tell me when you have it -- so that I can build a test env Foolowing The Standard
[16:31] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: coolio, will do
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: I promise it will be ready for next week ;)
[16:32] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: heh. No need to promise ;-)
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: hehe, better to promise that not do so :P
[16:33] <DanaG> Say, my tests over gigabit ethernet have given me only 40 megabytes per second on file transfers... is that normal?
[16:33] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Okay, thanks
[16:33] <DanaG> One end: Ubuntu 11.04, on HP Microserver with 5GB RAM and two Samsung F4 drives with ZFS mirroring.
[16:34] <DanaG> The other end: HP EliteBook 8530w -- Intel 82567 ethernet, ICH9M-E, and an OCZ Vertex.
[16:45] <patdk-wk> danag, and what is the test?
[16:53] <DanaG> ah, the test case can be either simple file copy (samba), or Windows 7 backup (also samba).
[16:53] <patdk-wk> those are horrible tests
[16:53] <patdk-wk> 40MB/sec sounds right then
[16:53] <DanaG> ah.
[16:53] <DanaG> That may just be the answer, then.
[16:53] <patdk-wk> using like ftp, around 60MB/s
[16:54] <DanaG> What's most likely the bottleneck: network bandwidth, samba, or drive?
[16:54] <patdk-wk> who knows wit hthe laptop
[16:54] <DanaG> I've benchmarked file copy from SSD to SSD, through same switch, at like 80 megabytes per second.
[16:54] <patdk-wk> but tuning tcp windows makes a huge difference at gigabit speeds
[16:55] <patdk-wk> I've benchmarked 110MB/sec over gigabit on my systems
[16:56] <DanaG> By TCP window do you mean jumbo frames?
[16:59] <DanaG> The Broadcom 5723 in the microserver doesn't do jumbo frames.  :(
[17:03] <maswan> DanaG: tcp window has nothing to do with jumbo frames
[17:03] <DanaG> ah, recieve window size.  As in sliding window algorithm?
[17:04] <DanaG> I've taken networks class, but forgot the precise name of the algorithm.
[17:04] <maswan> yeah, for tcp. doesn't matter much for low-latency transfers though
[17:04] <maswan> I'd test pure network performance and see if it is there, using iperf
[17:09] <eagles0513875> DanaG: how much ram is in the laptop. as well  what kinda hdd is in said laptop
[17:10] <patdk-wk> for low latency I find larger windows hurt performance
[17:10] <eagles0513875> and jumbo frames will only cause more issues
[17:10] <DanaG> The 80 test was from EliteBook 8530w to a Fujitsu Pentium M system.
[17:10] <patdk-wk> why would jumbo frames cause more issues?
[17:10] <patdk-wk> jumbo frames works extreemly well, and no issues
[17:10] <eagles0513875> DanaG: i know what your talkin bout i just took a compression class and studied that this past year
[17:10] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: wont you have massive amounts of fragmentation
[17:11] <patdk-wk> why?
[17:11] <patdk-wk> 1500 -> 9000? why would increasing it cause fragmentation?
[17:11] <DanaG> EliteBook had 4 gigs of RAM and an Intel 82567, with OCZ Vertex 2.
[17:11] <patdk-wk> why do you have fragmentation at all i nthe first place?
[17:11] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: woudl depend on the route taken not all routes to the destination support jumbo frames
[17:11] <patdk-wk> eagles0513875, like we said *DIRECT*
[17:11] <DanaG> Target was a Pentium M + ICH6 AHCI + OCZ Vertex 1, with Broadcom NIC of some sort.
[17:12] <DanaG> Now the Vertex 1 is back in the EliteBook, since the Vertex 2 died.  Twice.
[17:12] <patdk-wk> and you still wouldn't have fragmentation due to pmtu over a long multihop path
[17:12] <eagles0513875> DanaG: i think the 2 biggest issues would be the speed of the nic's as well as the rpm's of the disk drives
[17:12] <eagles0513875> if they are SSD then the bottle neck woudl be the NIC
[17:13] <patdk-wk> not all ssd's can substain >100mbit
[17:13] <patdk-wk> and rpm's don't matter for the disk
[17:13] <patdk-wk> doing sequential read of the drive will give you it's max
[17:13] <patdk-wk> normally between 80-120MB
[17:14] <DanaG> Direct-attached benchmark of the Samsung was at least 80, I believe.
[17:14] <DanaG> I'll bet ZFS is part of the bottleneck.
[17:14] <patdk-wk> so you will never go >80MB/s
[17:14] <patdk-wk> zfs will cause some latency, slowing things down
[17:14] <patdk-wk> also depends on how everything is attached
[17:14] <patdk-wk> does the nic and drives have their own pcie lanes?
[17:14] <patdk-wk> do they share a southbridge? ....
[17:15] <patdk-wk> if they are all connected over pci, then max would be 50MB/sec
[17:15] <patdk-wk> half for drives, half for nic
[17:15] <patdk-wk> same goes for your laptop
[17:16] <patdk-wk> you could always try doing a transfer from /dev/zero to /dev/null
[17:16] <patdk-wk> if you get gigabit
[17:16] <patdk-wk> then it's a harddrive + nic sharing pci most likely
[17:17] <DanaG> It's on PCIe.  Not even one PCI legacy slot in the thing.
[17:18] <eagles0513875> hardly anything has pci any more
[17:18] <rbasak> utlemming: I've got your image booting with a different kernel image now, but it seems to require an initrd?
[17:18] <utlemming> which kernel image are you using?
[17:18] <rbasak> utlemming: fedora's :-)
[17:18] <rbasak> (for the moment)
[17:18] <DanaG> The southbridge is an SB850, I think.
[17:18] <utlemming> lol
[17:18] <DanaG> Server kernel.
[17:19] <DanaG> http://paste.flashrom.org/view.php?id=578
[17:19] <DanaG> lspci.  somebody else's paste.
[17:19] <rbasak> the initrd is going to be awkward if we're going to boot it like this
[17:19] <rbasak> oh that's interesting, qemu does support an initrd
[17:20] <utlemming> rbasak: there is a linario vexpress kernel that works, but networking is flaky
[17:21]  * utlemming looks for URL for linario kernel
[17:21] <rbasak> utlemming: what are you doing with the initrd? I tried the one in your image but of course that's mismatched with the kernel now and it doesn't seem to work
[17:22] <utlemming> rbasak: nothing, I would fully expect the in-image initrd to completely fail
[17:22] <utlemming> it was generated in qemu-arm-static (i.e. chroot)
[17:27] <utlemming> rbasak: I just found something that might help -- from linaro https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/Ubuntu/ImageInstallation
[17:27] <utlemming> rbasak: the problem with this is we _can't_ ship any of this in the default cloud images. We're can only ship stuff from main or restricted
[17:27] <DanaG> Once btrfs gets a fixing fsck, I'll probably switch.
[17:29] <rbasak> utlemming: their linaro-media-create looks like it'll be able to help, then we could use our omap image
[17:30] <utlemming> rbasak: that is the road that I just started barking down
[17:30] <rbasak> utlemming: I was reluctant because it's ugly, more work and harder to debug, but if they've already done it...!
[17:31] <utlemming> rbasak: agreed, its the reason why I didn't do it as well. I'm more likely to try and implement a toolchain that has sane instructions and good documentation
[17:32] <rbasak> utlemming: I need to go. Do you want to see how far you get or would you like me to look at it further tomorrow morning?
[17:33] <utlemming> rbasak: I'll beat my head against this for a bit. I generally am on around 14:00 UTC, we can sync up then if that works for you
[17:33] <rbasak> utlemming: OK, speak to you tomorrow
[17:52] <eagles0513875> any mail experts in here
[17:52] <eagles0513875> need some urgent help
[17:58] <axisys> mount.nfs keeps the uid/gid as it is shared by nfs server.. but mount.nfs4 adds some odd uid/gid.. like below
[17:58] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/AZ4XGhqi
[17:58] <axisys> line 14 (nfs) and line 29 (nfs4)
[17:58] <axisys> any idea why?
[17:59] <axisys> mount.nfs works.. but mount.nfs4 b0rkes it
[18:02] <jj995> axisys: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo, and the section on mapping ID names with /etc/idmapd.conf
[18:02] <jj995> anybody know what version of ubuntu started defaulting NFS to version 4 instead of version 3?
[18:04] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, adam_g bug 838968 is what is stopping cloud-init and apt from working sanely on mabolo
[18:06] <axisys> jj995: looks like what you are showing is for nfs server..
[18:06] <axisys> jj995: I am trying to do nfs client
[18:07] <axisys> as you can see on line 14.. nfs keeps the uid/gid sane.. unlike in line 29 it does not with nfs4
[18:08] <jj995> axisys: from the link I gave, if the client is mounting nfs4, "In order for the ID names to be automatically mapped, both the client and server require the /etc/idmapd.conf file to have the same contents with the correct domain names."
[18:09] <axisys> jj995: oh ok
[18:09] <elb0w`> How do I format a drive into XFS?
[18:19] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Ping.  Do you remember the name of the IPv6 test suite you mentioned at UDS?
[18:47] <axisys> jj995: thanks, that was it!
[18:54] <Technicus> Hello . . . I have been trying for a few days to connect with a guest operating system ( Ubuntu Server Edition ) from the host operating system ( Ubuntu Desktop Edition ) via SSH.  I have tried port forwarding, changing the guest network device, and taking suggestions from people on the channels #VBox, and #OpenSSH.  Nothing I have done was successful. How do I establish this connection?
[18:56] <lickalott> internal or external network?
[18:56] <lickalott> have you edited the sshd files on the server at all?
[18:57] <ScottK> Did you installl openssh-server on the server?
[18:57] <ppetraki> and of course, you've installed openssh-server on the guest, since it's not installed by default
[18:58] <lickalott> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[19:02] <smoser> well, ugly as all sin, but https://gist.github.com/1186970 would help us wait for IPV4 to comeup (bug 838968)
[19:03] <smoser> SpamapS, ^
[19:04] <Technicus> lickalott, ScottK, ppetraki: I have tried Host-only adapter, Internal Network, Bridged Adapter, and have it currently set to NAT.  I have not edited the sshd files, openssh-server is installed.
[19:09] <lickalott> can you ping the box?
[19:10] <Technicus> How do I do that?
[19:10] <Technicus> Ping the ip address or ping the name of the server?
[19:11] <SpamapS> smoser: interesting
[19:12] <SpamapS> smoser: I wonder if there isn't some netlink socket that we can listen to for these things, a-la network manager... IIRC, n-m doesn't poll..
[19:14] <hallyn> stgraber: sorry to bother you again, but can't think of anyone else to ping on this - if you get a chance could you look at the proposed debdiff for bug 838410 ?
[19:14] <smoser> yeah, there has to be some way. we're interested in network interface changes.
[19:14] <hallyn> zul: will you be able to get that patch for libvirt to me today?
[19:14] <zul> hallyn: ill do my best
[19:15] <zul> do you have a bzr tree
[19:15] <lickalott> either should suffice
[19:15] <hallyn> zul:  i don't, but debdiff is at people.canonical.com/~serge/libvirt-0.9.2-4ubuntu12.debdiff
[19:15] <hallyn> (i'd toss up a bzr tree, but since it's so out of sync i don't have the bandwidth right now, don't ask)
[19:15] <lickalott> if you're Nat'd correctly you should "hop" all the way through to the server.  if you can't ping it successfully then i would look at your routes and/or NAT statements then re-engage
[19:16] <stgraber> hallyn: looking
[19:16] <hallyn> stgraber: thx.  noone really cares (obviously) about sshd template, but it's something ppl often try for fun...
[19:19] <stgraber> hallyn: looks good, uploaded
[19:20] <stgraber> oh, one note actually :)
[19:20] <stgraber> hallyn:  -- Ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:01:31 +0000
[19:20] <hallyn> doh
[19:20] <hallyn> is that in quilt file?
[19:20] <stgraber> nope, debian/changelog
[19:21] <stgraber> replaced with your @ubuntu.com
[19:22] <hallyn> stgraber: great, thanks
[19:22] <hallyn> i'll send the template patch upstream of course
[19:22] <stgraber> good thing lintian detected it ;) I didn't see it by reading through the diff
[19:22] <hallyn> at some point...
[19:23] <hallyn> hm, guess i only built it with fakeroot debian/rules binary
[19:23] <hallyn> i need to get my sbuild box up
[19:29] <zul> smb: xen fix has been uploaded
[19:31] <zul> hallyn: people.canonical.com/~chucks/libvirt-0.9.2-4ubuntu12.debdiff
[19:31] <hallyn> zul: thx, i'll test a bit and push
[19:32] <zul> hallyn: ok ask if you need someone to upload
[19:32] <zul> its already signed locally ;)
[19:43] <elb0w`> Im trying to run mysql server using a different datadirectory
[19:43] <elb0w`> and its not liking it
[19:43] <elb0w`> when I try to start the service it just hangs
[19:45] <elb0w`> fuckin apparmor isnt it
[19:46] <hallyn> zul: gah, bad build.  a few more minutes, and i'll ask you to push your built version :)
[19:46] <hallyn> (bad build = my fault, not the package)
[19:51] <hallyn> zul: success - pls push :)
[19:52] <hallyn> now on to this libcgroup crap.
[20:05] <zul> hallyn: uploaded
[20:07] <hallyn> zul: rockin'!  thx.
[20:37] <ChmEarl> how to downgrade a minor version of python2.7?
[20:45] <ChmEarl> nm - downgraded the 3 files from apt-cache
[20:47] <lickalott> ChmEarl i would downgrade the file from the apt-cache dir
[20:47] <lickalott> :p
[20:48] <ChmEarl> lickalott, first time I ever did this
[20:51] <astrostl> anyone know about an httpd update for https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-3192 ?
[20:51] <astrostl> red hat has issued one
[20:52] <jdstrand> astrostl: it was just published
[20:52] <astrostl> for lucid?
[20:52] <jdstrand> for hardy-natty
[20:52] <astrostl> so, not for the *LONG-TERM SUPPORT SERVER DISTRIBUTION...*
[20:53] <jdstrand> hardy through natty
[20:53] <astrostl> i seriously don't get ubuntu sometimes
[20:53] <jdstrand> hardy, lucid, maverick, natty
[20:53] <Pici> astrostl: read again
[20:53] <astrostl> ooops :)
[20:53] <astrostl> not showing on an apt-get update here
[20:53] <astrostl> i'm constantly screwed by bugfixes that are only applied to new releases, pardon the outburst!
[20:53] <jdstrand> it will be available in approximately 12 minutes directly from LP, about 45 from security.ubuntu.com
[20:54] <astrostl> tyvm
[22:13] <mmncs_> Hi everybody and first thanks for your time. I have a VPS 512 MB RAM running Ubuntu 11.04, MySQL and NGINX standard conf, but after 24 hours it is slow as hell, almost unreachable which makes it worthless. Any help on this issues would be most appreciated, here is the output from top: http://pastebin.com/eziWYrK8
[22:25] <Daviey> Who wants to have a go at testing ubuntu-server beta1 candidate, last minute respin? :)
[22:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  sure, if it runs in a VM
[22:37] <hggdh> done
[22:51] <ignarps> I have an upstart process stuck in stop/waiting
[22:51] <ignarps> When I try to run start <service> it tells me that.  How can I reset this stop/waiting
[22:54] <Daviey> TheEvilPhoenix: sounds good to me!
[22:55] <Daviey> TheEvilPhoenix: automated test cases have been achieved, but hand testing is helpful - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/oneiric-server-i386.iso
[23:13] <hggdh> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/oneiric-server-amd64.iso
[23:14] <hggdh> plus http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/notcompleted with what is missing


[04:30] <RockRebel> Hello, I would like to join your team.
[04:31] <LaserJock> cool
[04:32] <RockRebel> I was going to send an email out to you guys on the Kubuntu website, but I joining this channel is easier. How do I get started?
[04:33] <LaserJock> well, it kinda depends on what you're interested in
[04:34] <LaserJock> generally you'll find info at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[04:35] <RockRebel> I'm interested in writing documentation for software, or even to improve the actual Kubuntu OS documentation would be interesting as well
[04:38] <LaserJock> well, application specific documentation is written by the program's authors and the KDE doc team
[04:38] <LaserJock> we have a pretty nice Kubuntu doc team
[04:38] <LaserJock> jjesse and nixternal are the main guys to talk to there
[04:40] <RockRebel> cool, thanks. I'm in the middle of downloading Kubuntu right now. I am also going to compile the beta code for KDE 4. Has the interface changed much in KDE 4 since its inital release?
[04:42] <LaserJock> not really sure to be honest
[04:44] <RockRebel> cool
[04:44] <RockRebel> i will give it a try
[04:51] <RockRebel> Could I join the KDE doc team?
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: ^^
[04:53] <RockRebel> I can't seem to message him directly. I think I have to register.
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> ya
[09:46] <mdke> morning
[09:51] <ukubuntu> morninmdke, thank you for your note on the docs on the website, sorry, was watching Doctor Who :$
[09:53] <mdke> damn, missed it
[09:54] <ukubuntu> not yet I think
[09:57] <mdke> rats
[09:58] <ukubuntu> No worries, it'll come
[09:59] <ukubuntu> thanks for keeping it in mind :)
[09:59] <mdke> I was talking about the dr who episode. I know about the website :)
[10:03] <ukubuntu> hehe
[10:03] <ukubuntu> ttfn
[11:13] <froud> ping Burgundavia Burgwork
[11:42] <mdke> froud: it's the middle of the night for him
[11:42] <froud> mdke: yah, just taking a chance :-)
[11:42] <froud> mdke: how r u?
[11:43] <mdke> froud: fine thanks. Busy! you?
[11:44] <froud> froud: great, always rocking trying to contrib upstream at kde-docs but not having much time to do it
[11:44] <mdke> yeah
[11:44] <froud> I see many contribs to kde upstream docs did not get into 7.04
[11:45] <mdke> why is that?
[11:45] <froud> dunno, I just see that because I looked for my contribs and they are not in. Including a whole manual for Kompare
[11:46] <froud> Ah well
[11:46] <froud> mdke: so you a member of the bar yet?
[11:46] <mdke> yes, more or less
[11:46] <froud> mdke: practicing yet?
[11:47] <mdke> I'm working as a lawyer, but not as a barrister
[11:47] <froud> ok kewl stuff
[11:47] <froud> what type of law you doing?
[11:48] <mdke> commercial litigation
[11:48] <mdke> international trade and shipping litigation really
[11:49] <froud> whew, Interesting, and you have time to be here :-) you're amazing dude
[11:50] <mdke> it's a Sunday :) But yeah, I've been getting busier and busier
[11:50] <mdke> it's quite fun, but Ubuntu is more fun
[11:53] <mdke> gtg clean the garage now, cya soon
[11:53] <froud> I am sure it is
[11:53] <froud> c ua
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #111118 in ubuntu-doc "kubuntu wont recon floppy " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111118


[08:19] <hrw> morning
[08:21] <cooloney> hrw: morning
[08:32] <cooloney> sebjan: hi, morning
[08:32] <cooloney> amitk: morning
[08:32] <sebjan> cooloney: morning
[08:32] <cooloney> sebjan: i saw your email. yes, try that 'exclude' d-i patch will solve your issue
[08:32] <amitk> morning cooloney, all
[08:33] <sebjan> cooloney: yes, I'll do that thanks!
[08:34] <cooloney> sebjan: normally, how long will it take for building package in your omap4 hardware?
[08:35] <sebjan> cooloney: :) that's a good question. It ran for 5 hours tonight until it stopped on this error.
[08:36] <sebjan> cooloney: I have all my files on NFS, and my NFS settings may not be optimal either.
[08:39] <cooloney> sebjan: ok, good, understand. hehe, i guess it is using -j2 defaultly, right
[08:41] <sebjan> cooloney: I specified -j4, and the cores seemed quite loaded when I checked
[08:42] <DanaG> ooh, dual-core?
[08:42] <cooloney> DanaG: yeah, it is omap4
[08:42] <amitk> sebjan: 5 hrs?! so not too much better than our existing situation.
[08:43] <cooloney> dual-core a9
[08:43] <amitk> sebjan: We're at 7hr per arm flavour ATM
[08:43] <cooloney> amitk: right, i don't see any improvment
[08:43]  * amitk wonders if we should to some study about how I/O bound this is
[08:43] <cooloney> amitk: maybe NFS is the bottleneck
[08:44] <amitk> NFS?
[08:44] <DanaG> hmm, I'm curious what omap4 hardware.
[08:45] <DanaG> my gripe with the ARM stuff is that the 3D stuff is often blobby (and not nvidia okay blob, but PowerVR doesn't-even-build blob)
[08:46] <cooloney> amitk: hehe, sebjan is using NFS with omap4 hardware as rootfs, so i guess it is building via NFS
[08:46] <hrw> DanaG: powervr for omap3?
[08:47] <amitk> cooloney: ok, that could be reason if the source are on NFS
[08:47] <ogra> amitk, i'm building a native kernel faster (no package though)
[08:47] <ogra> and on SD
[08:47] <DanaG> yeah, beagleboard.  The TI PowerVR Makefile tries to make clean on a hardcoded target dir that doesn't exist.
[08:47] <ogra> create it :)
[08:47] <amitk> ogra: want to try a 'debuild -b' of the lucid package on your shiny board? :)
[08:48] <ogra> amitk, will do that on the weekend, currently i need the board with constant reboots (testing jasper)
[08:48] <hrw> ogra: how is panda compared to normal bb?
[08:49] <DanaG> hmm, I wish there were an Ubuntu phone.
[08:49] <sebjan> yes, I access the sources over NFS.   Is that a code name?
[08:50] <hrw> ah ok
[08:50] <ogra> should arrive today/tomorrow though
[08:50] <ogra> i had some customs issues
[08:50] <hrw> ogra: ah, right - you told that before
[08:50] <hrw> hi zyga
[08:50] <hrw> DanaG: run ubuntu on n900?
[08:50] <zyga> hrw, hi, how are you
[08:51] <DanaG> ah, surprised I didn't think of that.
[08:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my criteria for "Useful 3D" is Compiz.
[08:51] <hrw> zyga: fine thx. forgot that we have long weekend in Poland and wanted to visit one place... kissed door handle ;(
[08:51] <DanaG> Or at least accelerated metacity compositing would be good.
[08:51] <hrw> DanaG: n900 uses omap3 so powervr glx libs
[08:52] <ogra> compiz uses full GL afaik, you wont make it work properly on GLES i guess
[08:52] <zyga> hrw, I need to visit some government place next week, I figured trying to go there today would be a waste of time
[08:52] <hrw> ~curse gcc4.5 configure
[08:52] <hrw> zyga: it was 10-15 minutes walk with daughter
[08:52] <ogra> ah, poland had a bank holiday too yesterday ?
[08:53] <DanaG> Bummer... that old "XGL" would be exactly what we'd need.
[08:53] <DanaG> Implement that on GL ES...
[08:53] <ogra> germany only had it for half the country (mainly the catholic parts)
[08:53] <hrw> ogra: yes
[08:54] <hrw> ogra: in theory Poland is catholic country
[08:54] <zyga> hrw, what's wrong with configure :-)
[08:54] <hrw> zyga:     ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} -rdynamic conftest.c -o conftest > /dev/null 2>&1
[08:54] <hrw> zyga: ${CC} == gcc in that case
[08:54] <zyga> mmm
[08:55] <zyga> so what's wrong with this line?
[08:55] <hrw> zyga: but --target=arm-linux-gnueabi
[08:55] <hrw> zyga: it should use arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[08:55] <zyga> oh
[08:55] <hrw> but I have to check one thing more
[08:55] <ogra> hrw, apt-get source x-loader-omap4 and look at debian/rules
[08:55] <zyga> cross vs native all over agian
[08:56] <ogra> i think there is a solution in it
[08:56] <hrw> ogra: you want me to have nightmares?
[08:56] <hrw> ogra: I think that it uses proper cc and inproper objdump
[08:56] <hrw> one coffee later I will solve
[08:56] <ogra> right, look at the rules there, it solves that
[08:56] <hrw> gracias my friend
[08:56] <ogra> u-boot-omap4 has the same snippet
[08:57] <hrw> so tomorrow is BBXM premiere?
[08:58] <DanaG> I'm still wondering where all of Marvell's stuff is.  Not out yet.
[08:58] <hrw> ogra: maverick/arm only source?
[08:58] <ogra> yep
[08:58] <markos_> is omap4 cortex-a8 or cortex-a9, I'm confused
[08:58] <hrw> my adm64 fetched
[08:58] <ogra> well source is arch agnostic
[08:58] <hrw> markos_: a9
[08:59] <markos_> hrw: cool, it will have a fast fpu
[08:59] <hrw> markos_: it has already
[09:01] <markos_> hrw: I mean because it's based on a9 :)
[09:01] <hrw> ok
[09:02] <hrw> markos_: I hope that storage i/o will not kill omap4
[09:02] <hrw> markos_: as it is SD or USB only as options for storage
[09:03] <markos_> yes, that sucks
[09:03] <markos_> well, one can connect a fast disk on usb2 but that negates the advantage of its small size
[09:03] <hrw> now I am running bb/c3 with rootfs on usb stick, 40GB 2.5" pata drive on usb as storage
[09:04] <DanaG> yeah, marvell's stuff has SATA.... but the currently-available ones won't run lucid.
[09:04] <hrw> markos_: small size of BB is disadvantage when you use it as devboard
[09:05] <hrw> 17.8MB/s from pata drive is not that bad (hdparm -Tt)
[09:05] <markos_> my efikamx here has flash on ata and it's quite fast, much faster than the sd
[09:05] <markos_> yes, sth like that, SD gets 10MB/s max
[09:06] <hrw> time to check OE gcc patches
[09:20] <zyga> hrw, I did some benchmarks on netbook
[09:20] <zyga> hrw, my BB pulls solid 20MiB/s from 2.5" SATA HDD
[09:21] <markos_> zyga: via usb2 you mean?
[09:21] <zyga> markos_, yes
[09:21] <zyga> _and_ it was two USB hubs away from BB
[09:21] <markos_> well, that's not surprising, usb2 can get up to 400Mbps
[09:22] <hrw> zyga: I have 3.5" sata hdd in usb2/sata case. does 110MB/s over sata and is able to max sheevaplug usb connector with 40-50MB/s. did not tried it with beagleboard
[09:23] <markos_> zyga: I get ~25MB/s here, on an old 40GB in a pata ->usb case
[09:24] <markos_> but that's not very important, the thing is that BB's internal storage is slow, and fast SD cards aren't avaialble yet
[09:29]  * gsnedders wonders how fast he gets over NFS
[09:35] <lool> zyga: That's still relatively far from what a common intel system with SATA can do (75 MiB/s or so I'd expect)
[09:35] <lool> It's decent, but it's one of the bottlenecks
[09:36] <lool> CPU speed is one as well on beagle, but with GHz SMP it should be better
[09:36] <zyga> lool, if you attach SATA SDD the speed can go even higher
[09:37] <markos_> lool: the bottleneck is usb2 not the disk, no matter how fast the disk is, usb2 will max at ~40MB/s
[09:38] <lool> markos_: Yes, I know
[09:38] <lool> markos_: that's why I mentin SATA
[09:38] <markos_> lool: it's not a fair comparison :)
[09:38] <zyga> mmm
[09:38] <hrw> heh.. oom on 8gb ram..
[09:38] <lool> The only ARMv7 SoC with native SATA that I've seen is dove
[09:38]  * zyga notices nitl netbook got cheaper
[09:38] <lool> markos_: it exists, but it's hard to find
[09:38] <markos_> lool: imx53 is supposed to have sata as ell
[09:38] <zyga> does anyone know what how they roll their software?
[09:39] <lool> markos_: Isn't it fake SATA on USB as on imx51?
[09:39] <lool> or SATA over PATA or something equally poor
[09:39]  * ogra_cmpc thought imx53 only has PATA
[09:39] <markos_> good question, i don't know
[09:39] <lool> markos_: babbage had a SATA connector, but the soc has no native SATA; it was USB behind it IIRC
[09:39] <ogra_cmpc> in the SoC, not sure how its exposed to the outside, might be a SATA socket
[09:39] <lool> So same limitation
[09:40] <markos_> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX535&nodeId=0162468rH31143ZrDR988D
[09:40] <ogra_cmpc> well, SATA over PATA might imnprove it
[09:40] <markos_> doesn't say if it's over USB though
[09:41] <ogra_cmpc> babbage (imx51) is definately USb
[09:41] <ogra_cmpc> 53 has a PATA bus but i dont think a SATA one
[09:41] <lool> markos_: I checked the PDF brief, and it mentions PATA *and* SATA connectivity
[09:42] <markos_> PATA is not even mentioned in iMX515 page
[09:42] <lool> http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/IMX535ANNCMNTFS.pdf
[09:42] <markos_> so I guess iMX53 does include PATA/SATA on the chip
[09:42] <lool> markos_: Do you have an idea of timeline to availability of imx53?
[09:43] <lool> http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/IMX515FS.pdf
[09:43] <lool> imx51 mentions PATA
[09:43] <lool> (well it mentions ATA)
[09:43] <lool> the text below the diagram mentions P-ATA
[09:44] <markos_> no sorry, but I understand samples will be available to Genesi before the end of summer
[09:48] <amitk> Rob mentioned late this year for something that we could buy
[09:48] <sebjan> All: j'ai mis a dispo un pre-kernel L24.7 sur le serveur dans www/releases/L24.7/pre-release (sans les modules, mais c'est pas genant pour booter et faire des builds)
[09:49] <sebjan> oops... sorry :)
[09:49] <lool> 24.7?  wow
[09:49] <lool> tell me it aint linux 2.4.x!
[09:50] <sebjan> lool: :)
[09:54] <XorA> lool: 24.7 is internal TI version number
[09:55] <XorA> its actually 2.6.33 + TI stuff
[09:56] <zyga> asac, ping
[09:56] <zyga> asac, I need to be able to display package build failures, is there an interface to harvest that data?
[09:57] <asac> zyga: you mean in ppas?
[09:57] <zyga> asac, mmm I mean our 'derived archive' concept
[09:57] <asac> fta: ^^ ... i know you recently did that with our daily builds, do you have input?
[09:57] <zyga> let's say you setup a linaro spinoff
[09:57] <zyga> asac, with your own 'archive'
[09:57] <zyga> and dashboard to see how it works
[09:58] <zyga> so this dashboard needs to know _all
[09:58] <zyga> _all_ packages you have in the archive
[09:58] <zyga> including daily package changes (new uploads/rebuilds) and build failures
[09:58] <asac> zyga: i think the problem is that there are no derived archives yet so we cant tell for sure what will happen. however, i know that there is an api for ppas and i would assume you can do the same for a real archive
[09:59] <asac> zyga: you could also talk to the ubuntuwire folks ... and see how they maintain:
[09:59] <zyga> asac, can you give me any pointers to PPA APIs?
[09:59] <asac> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[09:59] <asac> zyga: i havent used it, but fta has ... i think he will reply when he is available
[09:59] <asac> zyga: otherwise you can ask on #launchpad
[10:00] <asac> let me see if i can find who is maintaining ubuntuwire
[10:00] <asac> ogra_cmpc: do you know?
[10:04] <zyga> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/
[10:04] <zyga> wow
[10:04] <zyga> coooooool
[10:11] <ogra> asac, stgraber
[10:12] <ogra> though he is not responsible for the ftbfs page
[10:12] <asac> zyga: yep. so talk to stgraber ... he is your friend for sure
[10:12] <ogra> ask in #ubuntu-motu
[10:12] <asac> zyga: you can find him in -motu or -testing
[10:12] <ogra> zyga, http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/source/
[10:12] <asac> ogra: i asked in -motu ... didnt get anything back yet
[10:13] <ogra> there is the code
[10:13] <tmzt> zyga: I would hope such spinoffs aren't needed, sadly things like arm11 support will only come that way
[10:13] <asac> zyga: go to #ubuntu-motu ... and ping geser
[10:13] <asac> i prepared him that you will ask him a few questions ;)
[10:17] <ogra> asac, so did you make a decision about LinuxTag ?
[10:19] <zyga> asac, ogra: I know stgraber, I traveled with him to the UDS :-)
[10:19]  * zyga switches networks
[10:19] <ogra> zyga, ah, nice
[10:20] <asac> ogra: dates?
[10:20] <ogra> 8th to 12th (next week) i'll go there from thu to sat
[10:21] <ogra> the beagle community will be there, surely worth to meet them
[10:24] <hrw> I am considering going there but need to check program more
[10:25] <ogra> beer in the evenings
[10:25] <ogra> and likely good weather
[10:25] <ogra> isnt that enough as a good program ?
[10:25] <hrw> ogra: sure, but need to convince slangasek too
[10:25] <ogra> heh
[10:26] <ogra> bribe him with beer :)
[10:27] <slangasek> pretty sure the company can buy you beer for a lot cheaper than they can get you a hotel room, if that's all you're after ;)
[10:27] <ogra> lol
[10:27] <hrw> ;d
[10:30] <hrw> slangasek: I need to convince myself too - my car probably be ready to get it from service next week. and this can higher priority for me then going to LT
[11:24] <zyga> ogra: tell me, is there any serial number inside an ARM CPU?
[11:24] <zyga> ogra: please tell me there is
[11:25] <hrw> zyga: depends on SoC
[11:25] <hrw> zyga: but only some offers such function
[11:25] <ogra> zyga, what do you want to achieve ?
[11:26] <ogra> ogra@babbage2:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Serial
[11:26] <ogra> Serial		:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000
[11:26] <zyga> ogra: well basically, device identification
[11:26] <ogra> zyga, look at flash-kernel
[11:26] <zyga> ogra: uboot shows some serial number
[11:26] <amitk> zyga: not really, is the answer
[11:26] <ogra> could be more fine grained but its already pretty good
[11:26] <zyga> mmm
[11:26] <zyga> okay
[11:26] <zyga> another question
[11:26] <amitk> it isn't foolproof
[11:27] <zyga> fw_setenv/fw_printenv
[11:27] <zyga> can I put UUID inside and assume it will be more-less portable?
[11:27] <zyga> that I can fw_setenv my_env=UUID on all devices (somehow)
[11:27] <ogra> well, you usually never touch the root= cmdline option after install
[11:27] <ogra> again look at flash-kernel
[11:28] <zyga> ogra: I'm looking for something outside the FS, if you reinstall the filesystem UUID is gone
[11:28] <ogra> this time the flash-kernel-installer.postinst script, thats what d-i and ubiquity execute during installation
[11:28] <hrw> zyga: so you want to be able to identify HW?
[11:28] <zyga> yes, exactly
[11:29] <zyga> I'm looking for a foolproof way to provision devices
[11:29] <ogra> flash-kernel --supported :)
[11:29] <asac> JamieBen1ett: what happened to arm-m-liquid spec? did that get dropped when moving it from ubuntu-arm to ubuntu?
[11:29] <asac> or who was leading that moving effort?
[11:29] <ogra> asac, rbelem
[11:29] <ogra> oh, he was leading the spec :) surely not the moving
[11:30] <hrw> zyga: how you identify x86 boxes?
[11:30] <ogra> hrw, you dont need to
[11:30] <asac> ogra: yeah. seems it got renamed back to mobile-m
[11:30] <ogra> thats why flash-kernel exists :)
[11:30] <asac> i will rename it back as we are embracing it
[11:30] <ogra> yeah
[11:30] <ogra> we dont have it on the trachker even
[11:30] <ogra> *tracker
[11:30] <lool> asac: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-liquid
[11:30] <lool> asac: Was renamed to mobile-
[11:31] <asac> yes, i take it back as i am approver and dont want to make naming complicated
[11:31] <ogra> ++
[11:31] <ogra> we also dont have manpower to care for it in mobile
[11:32] <asac> dropped a note why that name was choosen (technical burndown purpose etc)
[11:32] <asac> so hopefully they dont feel offended by being arm-m ;)
[11:35] <zyga> hrw, I don't identify x86 boxes
[12:20] <ndec> ogra: asac: hi. quick question on packages... I need to write a xxx.install file in my package to split into multiple bin packages. in ubuntu gstreamer, the xxx.install file has debian/tmp/usr/lib... when I build my pacakge I don't have debian/tmp subfolder, but debian/xxx instead. and my package fails to build. where does this tmp come from?
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> ndec, omit debian/tmp and it will work
[12:22] <ndec> ogra_cmpc: i tried this as well, but without the leading '/' and it did not work
[12:22] <asac> ndec: yeah. omit that debian/tmp
[12:23] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, it should work
[12:23] <ogra_cmpc> ndec, can you paste a line from your current .install file
[12:24] <asac> debian/tmp is automatically used by debhelper if you have multiple binary packages in control
[12:24] <ogra_cmpc> right
[12:24] <asac> if you have just one it usually installs all in the target package
[12:24] <asac> now i wonder how to filter stuff out ;)
[12:24] <asac> hopefully there is magic that still allows .install ;)
[12:24] <ogra_cmpc> by dirs in .install or specifying the actual single files
[12:24]  * asac hasnt done a single binary package for a long time it seems
[12:25] <ndec> asac: ok, i see... i do want more packages, but I only added 1 in control for now.. I was planning to add the 2nd one later ;-)
[12:25] <ogra_cmpc> that shouldnt make a difference
[12:25] <asac> ndec: yeah. just add a second. but even then the debian/tmp isnt needed anymore
[12:25] <asac> if you have a modern compat level
[12:25] <asac> e.g. put 7 in debian/compat
[12:25]  * ogra_cmpc does single binary files all the time
[12:25] <ogra_cmpc> s/files/packages
[12:25] <asac> yeah. ogra is always going for the simple stuff ;)
[12:25] <ogra_cmpc> hehe
[12:25] <ndec> asac: is the leading '/' needed if I omit /debian/tmp?
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> no
[12:26] <asac> doesnt matter iirc
[12:26] <asac> both should work
[12:26] <ndec> ogra_cmpc: well, in fact I need a package for -dev for header files
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> if you add usr/lib/ it will install everything below debian/tmp/usr/lib in your package
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> then you need to add some more fine grained magic and also have different .install files
[12:27] <asac>  you usually put usr/lib/*.so.* in the lib .install ... and usr/lib/*.so and usr/include in the -dev
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> (matching the entries in debian/control)
[12:27] <asac> assuming you use autotools with -version-info to versoin the lib properly
[12:31] <ndec> asac: ogra_cmpc: thanks. I have added the -dev, and started a rebuild.
[12:31] <ogra_cmpc> good luck :)
[12:32] <sebjan> amitk: I'd like to generate kernel source and binary packages, but with a name like 2.6.33-900.1~ti+release0. What files do I need to edit for that? (debian/changelog is re-gerenated by the debuild command)
[12:37] <amitk> sebjan: you need to do a debian/rules clean, 'git clean -df' to get a clean tree, edit debian.ti-omap4/changelog to change your version number, This time debuild -b should DTRT
[12:39] <amitk> sebjan: you can run 'debian/rules clean' before the build to make sure your debian/changelog reflects your changes correctly
[12:41] <sebjan> amitk: ok, thanks, it seems fine!
[14:23] <ogra> robclark, hey, whats the branch you built the u-boot from which i got from you with the blaze ? seems the omap_dev branch doesnt work on the panda
[14:23] <ogra> (omap4_dev)
[14:24] <robclark> ogra: there are some panda patches..  I'm not sure they are all integrated back in u-boot tree..
[14:24] <ogra> oh, you applied them manually to your build ?
[14:24] <robclark> and I guess the x-load/u-boot on the blaze is a bit older, so for sure won't have the panda patches
[14:24] <robclark> yeah..   I can mail you the patches I have
[14:24] <ogra> well, the two binaries you gave me work fine
[14:25] <robclark> really?
[14:25] <ogra> but from the stuff i packaged in ubuntu only MLO works
[14:25] <robclark> oh.. yeah, that is right..
[14:25] <ogra> u-boot exits with: ** Can't read from device 1 **
[14:25] <robclark> the MLO/u-boot I had on that card was actually the panda version..
[14:25] <ogra> it starts though, but there seems to be an issue with mmc
[14:26] <robclark> ok..  if you want to build something that actually works on panda, I think I should send you the patches
[14:26] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/444610/ is what i get with the packaged binaries
[14:26] <ogra> works on blaze
[14:26] <robclark> which you could apply on top of dev.omapzoom.org tree..
[14:26] <ogra> ok
[14:38] <zumbi> hrw: ayt?
[14:41] <zumbi> hrw: ayt?
[14:42] <zumbi> hrw: where can i have a look to the patch merging binary-cross target into binary for binutils? is that affecting debian or is it only ubuntu thing?
[14:43] <hrw> zumbi: it is integrated in next ubuntu binutils package release
[14:43] <hrw> zumbi: moment and I will give you bug link
[14:43] <hrw> zumbi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/587851
[14:43] <zumbi> hrw: please update README.cross file and if you care, please fill a bug report on `buildcross` the tool for getting cross tools built (now, in debian/experimental)
[14:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 587851 in binutils (Ubuntu) "merge cross build into "binary" target (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[14:44] <hrw> zumbi: ok
[14:44] <zumbi> hrw: thanks nad thanks for the merge :)
[14:45] <hrw> zumbi: will have to check that buildcross tool
[14:45] <hrw> zumbi: I got gcc-4.5 crossbuilt today
[14:45] <hrw> zumbi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/444614/ was needed on my system to get gcc 4.5 cross built.
[14:47] <zumbi> interesting, i have not tried 4.5
[14:47] <zumbi> hrw: make sure cross-fixes and cross-include patches are up to date
[14:47] <hrw> maverick base libs has from 4.5
[14:47] <hrw> zumbi: cross-fixes got update - sh part needed dropping
[14:48] <hrw> zumbi: merged it latest gcc-4.5 ubuntu package so I think that doko will merge it back to debian
[14:49] <zumbi> hrw: sure, thanks, you are doing great! Let me know if you want to hack on buildcross code too, for getting cross tools built
[14:50] <hrw> at least I will look at it
[14:50] <zumbi> http://www.emdebian.org/repos/current/host/trunk/buildcross/trunk/
[14:50] <zumbi> or http://www.emdebian.org/svn/browser/current/host/trunk/buildcross/trunk
[14:53] <hrw> looks interesting
[14:55] <zumbi> hrw: it could be used for daily builds to see if toolchains are fine
[14:55] <zumbi> and it needs more love. I have great plans for it, but -ENOTIME
[14:55] <hrw> common problem
[14:55] <hrw> bb in few
[14:57] <hrw> btw - Stylish extension to firefox roxx - whiteboard in blueprints is now 2x wider D:
[15:42] <hrw> zumbi: buildcross lacks deps on embedian-tools, dpkg-cross dep needs to be versioned
[15:42] <hrw> zumbi: grep-dctrl is also checked for being installed
[15:45] <hrw> zumbi: and it needs to run as a root ;(
[15:48] <zumbi> hrw: why does it need emdebian-tools (which has also been deprecated)
[15:49] <zumbi> dpkg-cross and grep-dctrl, agreed
[15:49] <hrw> zumbi: it checked for those
[15:50] <zumbi> hrw: and it needs root to install packages, i have not tested, but i was planning to start using fakechroot stuff
[15:50] <zumbi> you can not build gcc, without installing binutils :-/
[15:50] <zumbi> any idea how to work that arround? (besides looking fakechroot)
[15:51] <hrw> I plan to depend on *-source packages and call them one by one + temporary install dirs
[15:51] <zumbi> btw - i am updating my launchpad info, to work better with you
[15:52] <hrw> so you would do "apt-get source cross-toolchain; cd cross-toolchain*;echo armel >debian/target;dpkg-buildpackage"
[15:52] <hrw> and this will build linux-libc-dev, binutils, gcc, eglibc
[15:52] <zumbi> hrw, and how do you plan to get cross libraries?
[15:52] <zumbi> are you going to bootstrap glibc headers?
[15:52] <hrw> yes
[15:53] <hrw> zumbi: buildcross suggestions: s/-v/-V/ and make -v == --verbose (display logs on screen)
[15:53] <zumbi> hrw: lool had some code in his ppa and i have splitted that into packages into git repo, http://emdebian.org/git/
[15:53] <hrw> zumbi: and for now small check at start "am I root" check
[15:54] <hrw> thx
[15:54] <zumbi> look under packages/..
[15:54] <zumbi> those are not perfect, but a start
[15:55] <hrw> zumbi: any readmes for them?
[15:55] <zumbi> readmes? what do you mean? what for?
[15:56] <zumbi> those just build in a standard debian way
[15:56] <hrw> sorry, looked at wrong page
[15:58] <zumbi> hrw: hint, if you need some buildcross ubuntu changes, $ debcheckout buildcross, make-a-patch :-)
[15:58] <zumbi> you would need a deb-src line for debian experimental archive
[15:58] <hrw> zumbi: need to make ubuntu vm for it first
[15:58] <hrw> zumbi: already fetched sources from p.d.o/buildcross
[15:58] <zumbi> vm as virtual machine?
[15:58] <hrw> yes
[15:59] <zumbi> we usually work on chroots, done by debootstrap (or newer multistrap)
[15:59] <hrw> I do not like to run root-automats on my normal systems
[15:59] <zumbi> do you know debootstrap?
[15:59] <hrw> I know
[15:59] <zumbi> ok, sorry :)
[16:00] <hrw> np
[16:10] <zumbi> hrw: actually you do not need root, but sudo on apt-cross and dpkg
[16:11] <zumbi> hrw: it is not good idea to build packages being root
[16:12] <zumbi> hrw: do you think just a warning would be fine?
[16:13] <hrw> yep
[16:31] <zumbi> hrw: `buildcross-0.0.2` released. Uhmmm, I forgot to thank you (will do on next release)
[16:31] <hrw> no problem
[16:31] <hrw> zumbi: you use some scm for it?
[16:32] <zumbi> svn
[16:32] <hrw> ah. sorry, you gave me link
[16:32] <zumbi> yes, also if you have devscripts package you could use debcheckout
[16:33] <zumbi> but you need to add deb-src line for debian/experimental
[16:33] <hrw> ok
[16:34] <hrw> zumbi: scm allows me to look at patches etc
[16:34] <hrw> git-svn uber alles
[16:34] <zumbi> yet another git fanboy :)
[16:35] <hrw> zumbi: I like to be able to make commits without going to server
[16:35] <zumbi> then use debcommit
[16:35] <zumbi> oh! nevermind
[16:36] <zumbi> yes, i also like git, but sometimes it is over abused
[16:36] <hrw> btw - "gcc-4.4" instead of "4.4" maybe?
[16:37] <zumbi> uhm.. i am not sure about that one, as we do not use package names, like `libs`
[16:38] <hrw> but you have 'binutils' not '2.20.51'
[16:38] <zumbi> well, I'll have a look
[16:39] <hrw> I have a patch
[16:40] <zumbi> oh! great, then tell me how to fetch it :)
[16:40] <hrw> moment
[16:47] <hrw> zumbi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/444686/
[16:56] <zumbi> hrw: Committed revision 7278
[17:02] <hrw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/444700/ adds help for --verbose
[17:02] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, not sure if this is a kernel problem or not yet, but I'm getting unexpected oom failures in 2.6.34-l0
[17:02] <zumbi> hrw: thanks, that is already done
[17:02] <zumbi> hrw: i was thinking on how to better implement verbose
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/221945/
[17:03] <zumbi> hrw: either by a new logging funcion or by embedding commands in a variable. I think I'll go for the first one (more clean)
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/221947/ rather
[17:05] <cwillu_at_work> [84303.868164] Normal free:102232kB min:2036kB low:2544kB high:3052kB active_anon:9788kB inactive_anon:30968kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:72kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:260096kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:156kB shmem:840kB slab_reclaimable:2328kB slab_unreclaimable:87676kB kernel_stack:1336kB pagetables:964kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
[17:05] <hrw> ok, need to go now
[17:05] <cwillu_at_work> seems like I should have lots and lots of free memory (that's the pre-killing numbers)
[17:05] <hrw> have a nice weekend everyone
[17:06] <zumbi> hrw: good weekend!
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, also, would it be possible to get an alternate version with that new defragmentation code enabled?  I'd like to see if that improves things on a long-running beagle
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> I'll get you the appropriate config items if you could do that
[18:53] <zumbi> hrw|gone: just have released 0.0.3
[20:41] <cwillu_at_work> !info libpixman
[20:41] <ubot2> cwillu_at_work: Package libpixman does not exist in lucid
[20:41] <cwillu_at_work> !info libpixman-1
[20:41] <ubot2> cwillu_at_work: Package libpixman-1 does not exist in lucid
[20:41] <cwillu_at_work> !info libpixman-1-0
[20:41] <ubot2> cwillu_at_work: libpixman-1-0 (source: pixman): pixel-manipulation library for X and cairo. In component main, is optional. Version 0.16.4-1ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 230 kB, installed size 508 kB
[20:41] <cwillu_at_work> !info libpixman-1-0 maverick
[20:41] <ubot2> cwillu_at_work: 'maverick' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid
[20:50] <in-game> Hello all
[20:52] <cwillu_at_work> eat the newcomer
[20:53] <in-game> lol
[20:53] <in-game> yeah got a netwalker
[20:53] <in-game> wondering how to clock my arm cpu
[20:54] <tmzt> netwalker?
[20:54] <in-game> yeah sharp netwalker
[20:54] <in-game> running ubuntu 9.10
[20:55] <tmzt> that's the new zaurus cxxx?
[20:55] <in-game> runnng xfce instead of default gnome
[20:55] <tmzt> with snapdragon?
[20:55] <in-game> yups somewhat yeah
[20:55] <in-game> bit bigger thouigh
[20:55] <in-game> some like the UMID
[20:56] <in-game> hmm
[20:56] <in-game> let nme check
[21:00] <in-game> Freescale i.MX515 800 mhz
[21:00] <tmzt> ah, that's the older one then
[21:01] <in-game> yep
[21:02] <in-game> ios there a tool to clock it?
[21:03] <tmzt> what do you mean?
[21:03] <in-game> well to let it ruin on say 900 mhz
[21:03] <in-game> like the zaurus overclock tool
[21:06] <in-game> and any idea if the arm ubuntu gets the upgrade to the 10.x ?
[21:06] <in-game> meaning: now it is 9.10
[21:18] <tmzt> in-game: that cpu/soc is one of the ones getting supported I think