[02:52] <redwoodsound> hello all im having a problem with ubuntu studio 9.10  about half of the times i put the computer to sleep/suspend/hibernate/screensaver it freezes when i wake it or move the mouse hit keyboard etc.  Then i have to actually hold the power button in to shut it off
[02:55] <holstein> wow
[02:56] <holstein> laptop i assume?
[02:56] <holstein> i guess not hibernating and disableing the screen saver is not an option?
[02:56] <holstein> :)
[02:56] <redwoodsound> no desktop
[02:57] <holstein> hmm
[02:57] <redwoodsound> well i like those feature
[02:57] <redwoodsound> s
[02:57] <holstein> i dont sleep on my desktop
[02:57] <holstein> so i dont know if i can be much help
[02:57] <holstein> have you tried other kernels?
[02:57] <redwoodsound> i dont want to have to shut my computer off everythime im done with it and i dont want it running full blast when im not using it
[02:58] <redwoodsound> no
[02:58] <holstein> are you using an RT kernel?
[02:58] <redwoodsound> ??
[02:58] <redwoodsound> how do i tell?
[02:58] <holstein> run uname -a
[02:59] <holstein> if you did an ubuntu studio install
[02:59] <holstein> you probably have an RT kernel by default
[03:00] <holstein> if your not doing any audio stuff on there, or anything with jack much
[03:00] <holstein> you probably could get by using a generic kernel
[03:00] <holstein> just fine
[03:00] <redwoodsound> one min
[03:00] <holstein> either way, i think it would be a good test to try either running a non-real-time kernel
[03:01] <holstein> or boot up into a differnet one
[03:01] <holstein> see if you get the same behavior
[03:02] <redwoodsound> 2.6.31-9-rt x86_64
[03:02] <holstein> yup
[03:02] <redwoodsound> i dont know how to do that
[03:02] <holstein> thats got my vote
[03:02] <holstein> i bet the RT kernel is keeping you from sleeping and all that
[03:02] <holstein> BUT, im not sure
[03:02] <redwoodsound> so what is my game plan?
[03:03] <holstein> well, you could wait, or ask around a bit more
[03:03] <holstein> see if anyone has experience
[03:03] <holstein> OR
[03:03] <holstein> just try to install linux-generic
[03:03] <holstein> and boot into that kernel
[03:03] <redwoodsound> so do i have to uninstall the kernel i have?
[03:04] <holstein> no
[03:04] <holstein> not at all
[03:04] <holstein> you do want to check out grub 2 settings though
[03:04] <holstein> ubottu: grub2
[03:04] <redwoodsound> i dont have much hdd space right now
[03:04] <holstein> not much space needed really
[03:05] <holstein> you just need to make sure grub is not hiding from you when you boot
[03:05] <holstein> and you can tell grub to give you more time to choose a kernel/os
[03:05] <redwoodsound> more time would be sweet
[03:05] <holstein> you do sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[03:05] <holstein> and after you restart
[03:06] <redwoodsound> or even waiting till i explicity tell it what to boot
[03:06] <holstein> you'll see *probably* 4 or 5 lines
[03:06] <holstein> 2 generic kernels
[03:06] <holstein> and 2 RT kernels
[03:06] <holstein> and memtest
[03:06] <holstein> something like that
[03:06] <redwoodsound> will that new kernel be able to use all the programs i have installed or will that create conflicts?
[03:06] <holstein> with one of each other the kernel entries being recovery
[03:07] <holstein> well, i can't say for sure
[03:07] <redwoodsound> so what it the difference between and rt kernel and generic?
[03:07] <holstein> BUT usually its the RT kernels that cause conflicts
[03:07] <holstein> :)
[03:07] <redwoodsound> dang
[03:07] <holstein> the difference is that the RT kernel allows jack and other software to access the hardware
[03:07] <holstein> at lower latencies
[03:07] <holstein> without being interupted
[03:08] <redwoodsound> i want to run 64bit  could that be the problem too? and if i go to generic kernel im assuming thats gonna be 32 bit?
[03:08] <holstein> basically giving audio apps the highest priority
[03:08] <holstein> hmmm
[03:08] <holstein> yup
[03:08] <redwoodsound> well im trying to produce music with this computer
[03:08] <holstein> that could defintely be it
[03:09] <Blank__> i'd go 32 bit just for compatibility reasons
[03:09] <holstein> i could be way off base here
[03:09] <holstein> BUT, that RT-64 could be keeping the sleep and everything from happening
[03:09] <redwoodsound> hmm
[03:09] <holstein> if i were you, i would take the path of least resistance
[03:09] <redwoodsound> well   it happens, but when i wake the computer it freezes
[03:09] <holstein> disable the screen saver
[03:09] <holstein> shutdown, and restart :)
[03:10] <holstein> thats how i roll :)
[03:10] <redwoodsound> also   if i dont logout first and then shut down the computer freezes,    just remembered that
[03:10] <holstein> it wont hurt anything to try the generic kernel
[03:10] <Blank__> hmm, could be an ACPI problem?
[03:10] <Blank__> or perhaps something not halting properly
[03:10] <redwoodsound> i got a 1 gig video card
[03:11] <redwoodsound> read somewhere it could be the propriatry drivers doing it but have no way of knowing but havnt been able to fine much more on it
[03:11] <redwoodsound> find
[03:11] <holstein> well, thats plausible too
[03:12] <holstein> especially on the 64 bit version
[03:12] <holstein> from what ive read
[03:12] <holstein> even though, 64bit support is getting better all the time
[03:12] <redwoodsound> but no one is answering me in the #ati or  #ubuntu room
[03:12] <holstein> hmm
[03:12] <holstein> where are you?
[03:12] <redwoodsound> like location?
[03:12] <holstein> you could look for a loco ubuntu channel
[03:13] <holstein> #ubuntu-us-where-ever
[03:13] <holstein> or -uk*
[03:13] <holstein> those are usually small and friendlier
[03:13] <redwoodsound> loco?  i dont understand?
[03:14] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[03:14] <holstein> local teams
[03:14] <holstein> usually state by state in the US
[03:14] <holstein> there is an #ubuntu-uk
[03:14] <redwoodsound> ahh  ic
[03:15] <holstein> what graphics card is it redwoodsound?
[03:15] <holstein> i suppose you could try forceing vesa
[03:15] <holstein> use the vesa driver
[03:15] <holstein> for the graphics
[03:16] <redwoodsound> ati 4670
[03:16] <holstein> and see if you can sleep and resume
[03:16] <redwoodsound> vesa?   is that xorg driver?
[03:16] <holstein> i think that would remove the proprietary graphics driver from the equasion
[03:16] <holstein> you could do that from a live CD
[03:17] <holstein> i think you do F4 at the live CD promt screen
[03:17] <holstein> and pick safe graphics
[03:17] <holstein> you could try sleep from that
[03:17] <holstein> you could try the 32 and 64 bit live CD's that way
[03:17] <redwoodsound> well hmm   i dont think ubuntu studio has a live version on it
[03:17] <holstein> nope
[03:18] <holstein> that will eliminate the RT kernel from the equasion too though :)
[03:18] <redwoodsound> dont recall seeing one
[03:18] <redwoodsound> do i should download it  and try
[03:18] <holstein> and you wont have to do anything to your system at all
[03:18] <holstein> that would be pretty easy
[03:18] <holstein> you could get the 64 and 32 bit live CD's
[03:19] <redwoodsound> yuppers
[03:19] <holstein> boot them normally
[03:19] <holstein> that will tell you if its the kernel
[03:19] <holstein> then, if its still F'd
[03:19] <holstein> you can do that safe graphics thing
[03:19] <holstein> and that will tell you if its the ati driver
[03:19] <holstein> not too bad
[03:19] <holstein> :)
[03:19] <holstein> you wont have to sudo apt-anything
[03:21] <redwoodsound> yeah   i really want to use the features of the 64 bit and graphics card so   i guesss that would be the easiet way of narrowing it down
[03:22] <redwoodsound> thanks for the help
[03:22] <holstein> good luck
[03:23] <holstein> let us know how it goes
[03:23] <redwoodsound> fo sho
[03:25] <redwoodsound> viva!  open source
[03:25] <redwoodsound> katch ya later holstein thanx again
[05:22] <tomkat> does anybody run SB Audigy 4 soundcard?
[05:24] <tomkat> i'm having all sorts of trouble with my software..often i cant hear any audio, and often the programs close suddenly
[05:24] <tomkat> is my audigy 4 to blame?
[09:22] <orl_> Hello.
[09:23] <orl_> I'm trying to install UbuntuStudio on a Mac Intel, but it ain't working.
[09:23] <orl_> It just doesn't boot.
[09:23] <orl_> I've managed installing a Debian squeeze on it without any problem.
[09:23] <orl_> But I cannot get UbuntuStudio working.
[09:23] <orl_> Using the very same procedure (with lilo, gptsync, and so on).
[09:23] <orl_> Any help appreciated.
[09:37] <marsilainen> orl_: have you tried installing standard ubuntu on that machine?
[09:37] <marsilainen> orl_: I would expect ubuntu to behave the same as ubuntu studio for that (probably)
[09:38] <marsilainen> orl_: have you looked at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046568
[09:39] <marsilainen> orl_: I would imagine that info should also be applicable to ubuntu studio
[09:44] <orl_> marsilainen: for Ubuntu vs. ubuntu Studio, it should the very same thing.
[09:44] <orl_> I'm looking at your link
[09:45] <orl_> OK, it's not exactly that: I installed, but Ubuntu won't boot / says "no bootable devices" / has a blinking cursor!
[09:45] <orl_> But could come from there.
[09:46] <marsilainen> orl_: it sounds like maybe an issue with grub then
[09:46] <marsilainen> but I'm not certain
[09:46] <orl_> No I use Lilo.
[09:46] <orl_> Grub didn't work, but it was quite predicable.
[09:46] <marsilainen> ok, then, maybe with that
[09:46] <orl_> So, I turned to Lilo.
[09:46] <orl_> after running gptsync.
[09:47] <orl_> See here:http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
[09:47] <marsilainen> I've never had a mac, so I don't really know
[09:47] <orl_> Yeah, it's quite new to me too.
[09:47] <marsilainen> you could try asking in #ubuntu, there will be more people there who understand about getting ubuntu working on mac hardware
[09:47] <orl_> i'm currently trying!
[09:48] <orl_> nobody seems to know.
[09:49] <marsilainen> orl_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=767677
[09:50] <marsilainen> orl_: that link seems to describe your problem and how to work around it I think?
[09:53] <orl_> I actually was reading it.
[09:53] <orl_> Not sure it does.
[09:53] <orl_> Actually, I can't use grub (it fails)
[09:53] <orl_> But I'm going to check further
[09:54] <orl_> Not the same... Argh
[09:56] <marsilainen> well, the symptoms sounded remarkably similar, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same root cause
[09:56] <marsilainen> and so I'd say it's still worth trying the steps it suggests there
[09:57] <orl_> Yes, symptoms are similar, and I think the cause is the same.
[09:57] <orl_> but, as I can get grub working on that machine (grub 2 I mean)
[09:57] <orl_> I just try to transpose this for lilo !
[09:58] <marsilainen> sure, try powering down and booting a few times
[09:58] <marsilainen> and if that doesn't work, then try to reinstall lilo
[09:58] <marsilainen> maybe it works
[10:00] <orl_> Yep.
[10:00] <orl_> Gooing to check.
[10:00] <orl_> it looks like the very saùme
[10:00] <orl_> the way it freezes is not the same each time!
[10:03] <orl_> Rebooting several times doesn't seem to work.
[10:03] <orl_> Got to check with Lilo reinstall.
[10:03] <orl_> not sure it works though.
[10:04] <orl_> There's something weird diefferent from Debian to Ubuntu:
[10:05] <orl_> When running gtpsync (tool to scynchronize GPT and MBR)
[10:05] <orl_> with Debian gtpsync finds something to change
[10:05] <orl_> With ubuntu it doesn't.
[10:14] <orl_> not easy....
[10:19] <orl_> OK.
[10:19] <orl_> Cannot get it working.
[10:19] <orl_> I guess I'm going to get back to Debian.
[10:19] <orl_> Sad...
[10:20] <marsilainen> orl_: I'm sure it can be made to work...
[10:20] <orl_> yes.
[10:20] <marsilainen> perhaps post your problems on the ubuntu forums?
[10:20] <orl_> (actually I'm much more a Debianist than a Ubuntu-user,but it's for someone else, and I found it more easy)
[10:21] <marsilainen> yeah, ubuntu is definitely easier to use
[10:21] <orl_> not to use, I would say
[10:21] <marsilainen> and for music production etc, ubuntu studio is great
[10:21] <orl_> to setup and update, yes, probably
[10:21] <orl_> sure.
[10:22] <marsilainen> I think that there is 'studio64' right? I think that's a debian based music distro
[10:22] <marsilainen> if you wanted to try that
[10:23] <orl_> It's nto ery uptodate.
[10:23] <marsilainen> ah, I see
[10:23] <orl_> I usually prefer using Debian squeeze and patching kernel myself.
[10:23] <marsilainen> it's years since I tried studio64
[10:24] <orl_> But the Nvidia card in the Mac Intel (9400) is not supported by the free driver
[10:24] <marsilainen> I see
[10:24] <orl_> I'm trying to fix this using Mond Recovery!
[10:24] <orl_> not sure I will get anything, but....
[10:25] <orl_> OK, no keyboard detected!
[10:26] <marsilainen> :/
[10:26] <orl_> back to Debian!
[10:26] <marsilainen> orl_: to be honest, if I wanted to install ubuntu on that machine I would install from the normal ubuntu live cd
[10:26] <marsilainen> and then follow the instructions to install the various ubuntu studio packages
[10:26] <marsilainen> so you end up with the same system in the end
[10:27] <marsilainen> but you'll be following a more usual path for installing ubuntu on the mac
[10:28] <marsilainen> orl_: so, in other words, I would install vanilla ubuntu and then use instructions from this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[10:30] <orl_> yes, that's waht I was thinking.
[10:31] <orl_> But, actually, this problem seems to be an ubuntu one!
[10:31] <orl_> OK, I'm going to try, though.
[16:38] <mediaprodigy> These configuration are required for access to raw1394 without being root. This may cause some security problems if you are using IEEE1394 for other than hard disk, camera or sound card connections, e.g. networking.
[16:38] <mediaprodigy> can someone explain this ^^^^^
[16:42] <holstein> hey mediaprodigy
[16:43] <holstein> you got a firewire audio device?
[16:43] <mediaprodigy> no
[16:43] <holstein> you dont need to worry about it then
[16:43] <mediaprodigy> holstein: i do not have any devices right now
[16:43] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod
[16:43] <mediaprodigy> holstein: what does it mean?
[16:43] <holstein> i usually run sudo qjackctl
[16:44] <holstein> at some point in my diagnastics
[16:44] <holstein> so check for such problems
[16:44] <holstein> and daignose them, so that i dont need to sudo run anything
[16:44] <mediaprodigy> I am very very new to ubuntu much less ubuntustudio... why do you run that?
[16:44] <holstein> hmm
[16:45] <holstein> well, jack audio connection kit..
[16:45] <holstein> needs to access my firewire audio device
[16:45] <holstein> to do its thing routing signals in and out
[16:45] <holstein> AND, in order to get jack sorted out
[16:45] <mediaprodigy> my concern is the security issues
[16:46] <holstein> at first i run sudo to check for permissions
[16:46] <holstein> there could be security issues
[16:46] <holstein> i forget what they are
[16:46] <holstein> with firewire devices getting access or allowing access
[16:47] <holstein> to sensitivedata
[16:47] <mediaprodigy> how can i stay on top of this?
[16:47] <holstein> hmmm
[16:47] <holstein> you dont have a firewire device
[16:47] <holstein> so you havent side stepped any defaults
[16:48] <holstein> you dont need to worry about it until you get a firewire audio device
[16:48] <mediaprodigy> no i had ubuntu and installed ubuntustudio.
[16:48] <holstein> then you can decide
[16:48] <holstein> yup
[16:48] <mediaprodigy> I am not going through the following
[16:48] <mediaprodigy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[16:48] <holstein> its still not set up unless you changed permissions
[16:48] <holstein> even then, i wouldnt worry about it
[16:49] <mediaprodigy> that wording is mentioned before making changes in video configs
[16:49] <holstein> im pretty sure..
[16:49] <holstein> if you have a firewire netorking scenario
[16:49] <holstein> that is when it gets to be an issue
[16:50] <holstein> and that why its not set up 'open' by default
[16:50] <mediaprodigy> how do you handle security issues..
[16:50] <mediaprodigy> and how do you know that they are prevalent..
[16:50] <mediaprodigy> is there an app for that?
[16:50] <holstein> do you have a firewire network device?
[16:51] <marsilainen> mediaprodigy: you don't need to make those settings changes if you don't have a firewire audio device
[16:51] <marsilainen> mediaprodigy: so therefore there are no security issues
[16:51] <holstein> mediaprodigy: do you have any firewire devices?
[16:51] <mediaprodigy> i have a firewire external harddrive
[16:51] <mediaprodigy> what kind of security issues are we talking about?
[16:51] <holstein> so like marsilainen says, your fine
[16:52] <holstein> we are talking about a firewire network device getting elevated 'root' privalages
[16:52] <mediaprodigy> well that is good to know.. althought I still feel somewhat lost on this issue
[16:52] <holstein> root acces to your machine
[16:52] <holstein> that would be a concern
[16:52] <mediaprodigy> why would that be bad.. can you give a scenario
[16:53] <holstein> hmmm...
[16:53] <mediaprodigy> i understand the basic concept but we are talking about a music device having admin rights right
[16:53] <mediaprodigy> having access to root
[16:53] <holstein> your sharing information on a network
[16:53] <holstein> and a net attached device accessing your machine via the firewire network device
[16:54] <holstein> requests to change, edit, or view something it shouldnt
[16:54] <holstein> since the device has root access
[16:54] <holstein> that can happen
[16:54] <mediaprodigy> it is another method for someone to gain access to your information or change something on your system
[16:54] <holstein> in this example, nothing malicious is intended
[16:54] <mediaprodigy> understood..
[16:55] <holstein> this could be your Ustuiod box, and a windows box
[16:55] <holstein> somehting like that
[16:56] <mediaprodigy> how do you maintain current on any security issues that are there.. is there an app, a command.. I am making all the changes for ubuntu studio that are in this page  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22Ubuntu+Studio+Upgrade+from+Ubuntu%22
[16:57] <holstein> not sure i understand the question
[16:57] <holstein> pretty much...
[16:57] <holstein> unless you have elevated the privalages to accomodate a firewire device
[16:57] <holstein> while using...
[16:58] <mediaprodigy> I am making all the changes in that page, I am concerned that I do not understand the complexity (yet) of my changes.. what tools are available to keep track of security issues on an ubuntustudio installation
[16:58] <holstein> another firewire device with networking, you have nothing to worry about
[16:58] <mediaprodigy> would a firewire harddrive fall into this catagory?
[16:58] <holstein> is you firewire HD networked somehow?
[16:58] <holstein> hardwired to your network
[16:59] <mediaprodigy> no just connected to my box
[16:59] <holstein> and your firewire port somehow?
[16:59] <holstein> then your fine
[16:59] <mediaprodigy> well not yet.. but it might be in the future
[16:59] <mediaprodigy> i see...
[16:59] <mediaprodigy> holstein: marsilainen: thanks
[16:59] <holstein> :)
[16:59] <mediaprodigy> :)
[16:59] <marsilainen> :)
[17:00] <holstein> also, #opensourcemusicians
[17:00] <holstein> :)
[17:12] <mediaprodigy> Help: I do not know what ubuntustudio installs but my machine is freezing every few minutes
[17:13] <mediaprodigy> i have not had this issue since i had ubuntu restricted extras..
[17:13] <mediaprodigy> and adobe flash installed.. any thoughts
[17:14] <holstein> 64bit?
[17:14] <mediaprodigy> no
[17:14] <holstein> hmm
[17:15] <mediaprodigy> its horrible..
[17:15] <holstein> can you open a terminal and type uname -a
[17:16] <mediaprodigy> ok
[17:16] <mediaprodigy> Linux ubuntu-desktop 2.6.31-17-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 10 16:20:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:18] <holstein> hmmm
[17:18] <holstein> i assume this is after a restart?
[17:18] <holstein> it just starts freezing right off?
[17:18] <mediaprodigy> i just restarted
[17:18] <holstein> or is it after running something?
[17:19] <mediaprodigy> terminal firefox chatzilla
[17:19] <mediaprodigy> evolution mail
[17:19] <mediaprodigy> but i noticed that flash is working in firefox..
[17:19] <mediaprodigy> so i am thinking restricted extras has been installed
[17:19] <holstein> that should be fine though
[17:20] <holstein> hmmm
[17:21] <holstein> i would suggest trying to find what is triggering it
[17:21] <holstein> i hate to say restart
[17:21] <holstein> BUT, if you would restart
[17:22] <mediaprodigy> and run one app at a time...
[17:22] <holstein> then, open say firefox
[17:22] <holstein> and see if that is causing it
[17:22] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run firefox
[17:22] <holstein> and usually you get messages in there
[17:22] <holstein> if something is going on
[17:22] <mediaprodigy> humm... i did not know this
[17:22] <mediaprodigy> can you send the command
[17:22] <holstein> just firefox
[17:23] <holstein> if you just start typing firefox, say fir, and hit tab
[17:23] <holstein> the command will be auto-completed
[17:23] <holstein> if you just type f and hit tab
[17:24] <holstein> you will be given all the commands that can be ran that start with 'f'
[17:25] <holstein> that might help you pinpoint what app is causing the trouble
[17:25] <mediaprodigy> so i do nto getit
[17:25] <mediaprodigy> i type in firefox and firefox opens
[17:25] <holstein> i would say its firefox or evolution
[17:25] <holstein> no, in the terminal
[17:25] <mediaprodigy> then i surf firefox and any errors show up in the terminal
[17:26] <mediaprodigy> i opened the terminal typed fir hit tab
[17:26] <mediaprodigy> it autofilled with firefox hit enter
[17:26] <holstein> yup
[17:26] <holstein> in theory
[17:26] <mediaprodigy> and the browser opened.. but i did not see any errors
[17:26] <mediaprodigy> or extra command
[17:26] <mediaprodigy> s*
[17:26] <holstein> that should help you troubleshoot
[17:26] <holstein> same deal with evolution
[17:27] <holstein> its hard to find the trigger
[17:27] <holstein> and it could be something with gnome
[17:27] <holstein> who knows
[17:28] <holstein> i have read that the gnome network manager or applet can cause issues
[17:28] <holstein> although, it does not for me
[17:28] <mediaprodigy> cool
[17:28] <mediaprodigy> well i appreciate teh help
[17:28] <holstein> let me know how it goes :)
[17:29] <holstein> i'll do what i can
[17:43] <marsilainen> mediaprodigy: if your machine is hanging, then I would have a look in your /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
[17:44] <marsilainen> see if there is anything of interest there
[17:45] <marsilainen> you can use something like:    tail -200 /var/log/messages     to get it to show the last 200 lines of that file
[17:45] <holstein> even better marsilainen :)
[17:46] <marsilainen> when it hangs, do you see anything like the hard disk light on constantly or anything like that?
[17:47] <marsilainen> oops
[17:48] <marsilainen> he tried to paste me the contents of one of those files in privmsg
[17:48] <marsilainen> mediaprodigy: don't just paste output like that :p
[17:48] <marsilainen> freenode threw you off because of it :p
[17:48] <mediaprodigy> oh sorry
[17:49] <marsilainen> if you have lots of output to show us, then put it on http://www.pastebin.com
[17:49] <marsilainen> and then give us a link to that
[17:50] <mediaprodigy> http://pastebin.com/d1359eca3
[17:51] <mediaprodigy> ill brb
[17:51]  * holstein never installs that ubuntu-desktop package
[17:52] <holstein> i only get the audio apps and the RT kernel
[17:52] <marsilainen> yeah, me too
[17:53] <holstein> i might be jumping to a conclusion, but i think i would run sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop
[17:53] <marsilainen> mediaprodigy: sorry, nothing looking unusual in that output to me
[17:57] <mediaprodigy> i will get this output next time it happens before i open anything
[17:57] <mediaprodigy> and save it.
[17:57] <mediaprodigy> what was the command again
[17:57] <mediaprodigy> tail -200 /var/log/messages
[17:57] <mediaprodigy> is that right
[18:04] <marsilainen> yeah
[18:05] <marsilainen> 'tail' outputs the lines at the end of a file, '-200' tells it how many lines at the end to output
[18:05] <marsilainen> because /var/log/messages can get very big
[18:06] <marsilainen> mediaprodigy: if it happens again, try to take notice of whether the hard disk light is on, or network lights or anything like that
[18:06] <marsilainen> if a machine hangs up a lot I often find that it's related to IO of some sort
[18:35] <mediaprodigy> i will..


[10:38] <mort> so ubuntu has this message which pops up when a distribution-provided program segfaults
[10:39] <mort> that's good, that makes sense
[10:39] <mort> but it also pops up when valgrind exits with SIGSEGV
[10:42] <mort> since valgrind will exit with SIGSEGV when it's used on a program which segfaults, and since the point of valgrind is to run it with a program which segfaults, Ubuntu probably shouldn't show the "Valgrind quit unexpectedly" dialog when that happens
[11:06] <tomreyn> !bug
[16:47] <MikeRL> So dash to dock and likewise Ubuntu dock extensions mix up the application overview with applications in the launcher when clicking the all apps button. I wonder if this will be fixed in time for release considering the extension hasn't been updated since Dec 2020. What will likely be done? Disable Ubuntu dock?
[16:50] <MikeRL> I have lived in one piece without dash to dock, but it's annoying to not have a persistent launcher for applications. Might cause ticked off users. I hope not.


[00:38] <Juzzy> ya thats the usual use-case
[00:39] <Juzzy> rsync keeps up with only the changes
[00:39] <Unit193> Unless you actually want bidirectional file sync.
[10:25] <aedend> Bidirectional file sync
[10:34] <aedend> Unit193, looks like unison is what I'm looking for


[02:53] <DjRedemption> Hey I need help with a tripple boot on mac. How should I install Ubuntu without having to use grub when selecting my Windows partition?


[10:52] <harrisony> i have the live cd but would prefer not to use the gui too install (as my computer has 256mb of ram and dont have the bandwith for the alternate installer
[01:29] <snoops> the alternate installer is the one you need..
[01:30] <snoops> xubuntu may be more suitable too
[01:31] <harrisony> damn, spend 5 days downloading the installer!
[01:32] <snoops> you should be able to install it from the live cd with 256mb of ram..it'll just take awhile. From the sounds of it not as long as downloading the other edition
[01:41] <cjwatson> 256MB installs took about 45 minutes in tests, I think
[01:42] <cjwatson> we only discovered that particular slowdown (and it's a recent slowdown) quite close to release, and the cause wasn't obvious
[04:56] <tepsipakki> cjwatson: got a minute? I'm merging back to debian the changes in xorg, but jcristau want's to know if the change to x11-common.init ("Only source /etc/default/rcS if it exists, allowing x11-common to be installed by debootstrap.") would break, since the script is 'set -e'?
[05:13] <cjwatson> tepsipakki: he needs to read the documentation of 'set -e' more carefully ;-)
[05:13] <cjwatson> "When this option is on, if a simple command fails for any of the reasons listed in Consequences of Shell Errors or returns an exit status value >0, and is not part of the compound list following a while, until, or if keyword, and is not a part of an AND or OR list, and is not a pipeline preceded by the ! reserved word, then the shell shall immediately exit."
[05:13] <cjwatson> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/set.html
[05:13] <cjwatson> if it breaks then the shell is buggy
[05:14] <cjwatson> if you want to be paranoid, though, then 'if [ -f /etc/default/rcS ] ; then . /etc/default/rcS; fi' is fine too
[05:14] <cjwatson> seems to be a common misunderstanding of set -e ...
[05:17] <tepsipakki> heh, ok. I'll educate him ;)
[05:18] <tepsipakki> actually, he suggested using if, so maybe it's a good compromise :P
[05:26] <cjwatson> fine by me, I'm not religious about using &&
[05:26] <cjwatson> it's certainly not worth the time to persuade anyone about it :)
[05:27] <tepsipakki> actually, he showed a test-case about it..
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> $ cat foo.sh
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> #!/bin/sh
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> set -e
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> [ -e /nonexistent ]  && echo a
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> $ ./foo.sh
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> $ echo $?
[05:27] <tepsipakki> 18:19 < jcristau> 1
[05:28] <cjwatson> that's only if it's the last command in the file
[05:28] <tepsipakki> ok, right
[05:29] <cjwatson> $ cat ./foo.sh
[05:29] <cjwatson> #!/bin/sh
[05:29] <cjwatson> set -e
[05:29] <cjwatson> [ -e /nonexistent ]  && echo a
[05:29] <cjwatson> echo hello
[05:29] <cjwatson> $ ./foo.sh
[05:29] <cjwatson> hello
[05:29] <cjwatson> $ echo $?
[05:29] <cjwatson> 0
[05:29] <cjwatson> paste that back to him ;-)
[05:29] <tepsipakki> already did :)
[05:32] <cjwatson> this is basically a consequence of http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_09_03_05
[05:34] <tepsipakki> "got a minute?" was obviously a wrong question.. "could you explain this comprehensively?" would've been correct :)
[05:34] <cjwatson> haha
[05:34] <cjwatson> you made the mistake of asking a shell pedant ;-)
[05:35] <tepsipakki> I'll be more careful the next time <g>
[07:47] <phratman> When installing sun-java6-jdk, I have to accept a licensing agreement. Is there any way to tell apt to auto-accept it?
[07:48] <phratman> I want my post installation script to automatically grab that and accept the terms so that the systems are all outfitted with the 1.6 JDK.
[07:48] <phratman> I tried apt-get --force-yes -y install sun-java6-jdk
[07:49] <cjwatson> preseed the debconf question it's asking
[07:49] <cjwatson> neither --force-yes nor -y will help you; those relate only to questions apt asks itself
[07:50] <cjwatson> preseeding the boolean question shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 to true ought to do it
[07:51] <cjwatson> so 'sun-java6-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true' in the preseed file
[07:52] <phratman> How would I do that through kickstart / kickseed?
[07:52] <phratman> I can't pass d-i commands to it can I?
[07:52] <phratman> cjwatson: By the way, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109475
[07:53] <cjwatson> you certainly can pass preseeding commands via kickseed; I wrote a kickstart extension to do that
[07:53] <phratman> cjwatson: Is that available as a package or something? Where would I get this extension?
[07:53] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html
[07:53] <phratman> It's not available in system-config-kickstart from what I've seen.
[07:53] <phratman> Ah.
[07:53] <cjwatson> the bit that starts "A new preseed command ..."
[07:54] <phratman> Yeah, gotcha.
[07:54] <cjwatson> don't worry about the 6.10 there; that command's been available since 5.10
[07:54] <phratman> Does this method also apply to something like krb5-user or anything else that demands user input?
[07:54] <cjwatson> yes, as long as it does so using debconf
[07:54] <phratman> Okay, perfect.
[07:55] <cjwatson> any packages that ask for input using any other method have a serious bug, according to Debian policy for some time, so this is mostly not a problem
[07:55] <phratman> cjwatson: Did you get a chance to take a look at that bug listing by the way?
[07:55] <cjwatson> I'm just doing so now
[07:55] <phratman> Understood.
[07:56] <phratman> cjwatson: Also, do preseed commands apply to post installation scripts as well?
[07:58] <cjwatson> phratman: could you clarify?
[08:02] <phratman> cjwatson: Consider if I install ubuntu-desktop through the kickstart menu option, and then apt-get install krb5-user through a post installation script. Will the preseed command cascade down from the installation of ubuntu-desktop to krb5-user as well?
[08:03] <cjwatson> oh, certainly - in fact it doesn't work that way so there's no cascading to be done
[08:03] <phratman> cjwatson: In other words, if I want to bypass the debconf prompts in both packages that are prompted from ubuntu-desktop and from krb5-user, do I just enter one preseed command?
[08:03] <phratman> Ah, cool.
[08:03] <cjwatson> one preseed command per question to preseed
[08:03] <cjwatson> I would recommend installing krb5-user in %packages though, unless you have to do so conditionally for some reason
[08:04] <cjwatson> that way you'll get a progress bar and such
[08:04] <cjwatson> (well, you probably don't care. but it's still easier.)
[08:04] <phratman> Well, I didn't see a %packages option in system-config-kickstart.
[08:04] <phratman> It exists in Redhat's configuration editor, but not Ubuntu's.
[08:04] <cjwatson> system-config-kickstart is regrettably incomplete in Ubuntu, but you can just edit it into the .ks file
[08:04] <phratman> Is there any documentation on what all I can preseed?
[08:05] <cjwatson> it's in the installation guide
[08:05] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html
[08:05] <cjwatson> there is no authoritative complete list, though, because it's whatever packages choose to provide
[08:06] <cjwatson> maybe one day we will figure out a way to index it all and remove the non-preseedable cruft
[08:07] <phratman> Are you the only person who works on kickstart / kickseed?
[08:07] <phratman> I noticed someone else was recently added to your list of developers, but all the major fixes for the installer thus far have come from you.
[08:09] <cjwatson> I'm the only person at the moment, but Evan is going to be full-time soon and I'm hoping he'll find time to do some work on automated installation
[08:09] <cjwatson> his primary responsibility is ubiquity though
[08:09] <cjwatson> I am looking at your bug BTW, but need to knock together a test rig in order to respond, which I'm working on now
[08:09] <phratman> I replicated it at home too, but I can't confirm my own bugs.
[08:10] <phratman> I'll be back later.
[08:10] <cjwatson> I'm not bothered about the confirmed state there
[08:10] <cjwatson> short answer is it's a known documented omission, but I'll try to find a workaround for you
[08:11] <cjwatson> (if you look at the logs you should see error messages in there noting that --onpart doesn't work)
[09:34] <cjwatson> phratman: I've responded to your bug in (I hope) sufficient detail to let you work around it if you want
[09:36] <cjwatson> (nasty, nasty workaround, but still)


[07:53] <mup> PR operator#393 closed: adds Harness.hooks_disabled, a context manager <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/393>
[09:02]  * bthomas updated to ops 0.9.0
[09:06]  * bthomas updated kernel rebooting now
[10:02] <Chipaca> moon127: remind me, were you still working on your charm this week, or were you off to more exiting topics?
[10:02] <Chipaca> exciting*
[10:03] <Chipaca> wondering if i should remove the event from the calendar
[10:05] <moon127> Chipaca: my 2 week stint was up end of last week.  As far as I know I'm onto a new assignment this week.
[10:05]  * moon127 catches up after the UK public holiday and yesterday as PTO
[10:05] <Chipaca> moon127: ok! removing the events from my calendar
[10:05] <Chipaca> moon127: the last changes were good fwiw
[10:06] <Chipaca> i commented on something that you'd already fixed, is all
[10:08] <moon127> ah yes I see, thanks!  That bit of code was rather subject to change running up to an end of week, end of rotation deadline, so good to have the syntax as intended rather than first implemented indeed
[10:09] <moon127> thanks for the review, I'll check if Tom is happy our side and get that landed
[10:18] <moon127> now merged
[10:55] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:00] <bthomas> 𝐌𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 facubatista
[13:26] <bthomas> Prometheus has a huge number of configuration options in its config file !
[13:32] <mup> PR operator#396 opened: add build dist and egg-info to gitignore <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/396>
[13:51] <Chipaca> davigar15_: sorry to pester you, who was it that had the issue that i pointed to the environment juju bug and workaround? (looking for the irc handle)
[13:52] <davigar15_> DominikF
[13:52] <Chipaca> davigar15_: thanks!
[13:52] <Chipaca> DominikF: let me know if that bug+workaround isn't the thing you were hitting, please
[13:57] <DominikF> Chipaca: It is exactly what I was having issues with, the workaround fixed it for me. But it is still failing for me on 2.8.2 candidate, I commented it in the bug. Thanks!
[13:57] <Chipaca> ooh, interesting
[13:57] <Chipaca> DominikF: thanks
[13:58] <Chipaca> makes me think maybe we should push the workaround into our k8s opslib
[13:58]  * Chipaca waits to see what people say on the bug
[13:59] <DominikF> Chipaca: there is a k8s opslib?
[13:59] <Chipaca> DominikF: https://github.com/chipaca/ops-lib-k8s/
[13:59] <Chipaca> DominikF: most of it is mark maglana's work
[13:59] <Chipaca> hoping to have it grow over time
[13:59] <Chipaca> there's natalya's work but sadly she didn't write tests, so i need to find time for taht
[14:00] <Chipaca> and then we also want to do the same with the oci resources thing
[14:00] <Chipaca> so much TODO, so little DONE
[14:03] <DominikF> Chipaca: Interesting, we are looking into doing something similar as our "proxy charms" with deployments done with Helm, so there might be a moment where we could contribute that part there.
[15:46]  * facubatista -> lunch
[16:32]  * facubatista is back
[16:42] <mup> Issue operator#397 opened: Get container utility for easy pod_spec updates <enhancement> <Created by justinmclark> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/397>
[16:56] <justinclark> I self-assigned myself to this new issue ^ but I won't start working on it until someone confirms we should have it (Chipaca, facubatista, jam)
[16:56]  * justinclark lunch
[17:04] <facubatista> justinclark, ack
[17:39]  * justinclark back
[18:49] <dstathis> I'm looking at the code in tests/commands/test_init.py
[18:49] <dstathis> the code here https://pastebin.com/raw/Hz47pzqQ
[18:50] <dstathis> I'm wondering what '(env_path,) = env_paths' is supposed to do
[18:50] <dstathis> Is it just trying to remove the item from a single element list?
[18:51] <dstathis> because when I run it that list has more than one element and it breaks
[19:06] <facubatista> dstathis, can you show me your sys.path in that test? thanks!
[19:06] <facubatista> there should be only one 'env/lib/python' in there, from the virtualenv, but you may have a more complex setup
[19:09] <dstathis> https://pastebin.com/raw/xhE7EDLS
[19:09] <dstathis> I have a fix for it but it
[19:09] <dstathis> but it is weird to me that this was working before
[19:12] <dstathis> I'll just open a PR with my change
[19:16] <facubatista> dstathis, how did you create that virtualenv? because 'venv' is a virtualenv, right?
[19:16] <dstathis> https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/147
[19:16] <mup> PR charmcraft#147: fix PYTHONPATH correctly <Created by dstathis> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/147>
[19:17] <dstathis> yes created with "virtualenv -p python3 venv"
[19:18] <facubatista> dstathis, and then how are you running those tests?
[19:18] <dstathis> ./run_tests
[19:19] <facubatista> dstathis, can you do this very same thing in a fresh dir (outside any current venv)? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FTsFJ8tSBQ/
[19:23] <dstathis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h76bKVMdbq/
[19:24] <dstathis> yup same issue exists. multiple paths with "test123/lib/python"
[19:26] <facubatista> dstathis, yeap... it's bionic, right?
[19:26] <dstathis> yes
[19:27] <facubatista> dstathis, ack, thanks
[19:27] <dstathis> ah I see on focal this doesn't happen
[19:30] <dstathis> Well I thill think the change I proposed is better as this issue could come up
[19:30] <dstathis> also if you are running outside of a virtualenv that list will have 0 elements and it will also fail
[19:33] <dstathis> I'm not really sure how it's been working on travis since that runs on bionic
[19:39] <facubatista> +1 to be more robust anyway


[16:35] <vish> djsiegel1: is Bug #391468 a papercut or shall we close it?
[16:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 391468 in evolution "Evolution message filters window's default size is too small" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391468
[16:39] <djsiegel1> let's see...
[16:41] <djsiegel1> I just marked fixed
[17:06] <vish> djsiegel1: also , for Bug #502999 , upstream doesnt seem interested in monochrome icons , so i guess the fix needs to be in Humanity. I'v included a monochrome icons for mic in humanity.. currently its a mic  , because the icon might be used elsewhere , but when tweak is done in empathy to use -symbolic names I'v change it to speaker
[17:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 502999 in hundredpapercuts "The microphone and webcam icons displayed in the buddy list need improvement" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502999
[17:06] <vish> s/I'v/I'll
[17:09] <djsiegel1> vish: yeah, it appears upstream wants those icons to be a call button
[17:09] <djsiegel1> so instead of using icons, they need to use something that looks more like a button
[17:10] <vish> they can use buttons themselves by moving those items away from the buddy list  ;)
[17:15] <djsiegel1> right, they freaked out when I suggested that
[17:15] <djsiegel1> "zomg that sucks it takes more clicks!
[17:20] <vish> djsiegel1: according to upstream bug report , they want to fix it _because_  its tooo easy to click it and is being a pain ;)
[17:21] <vish> oh.. well , want can be do :)
[17:21] <vish> s/be/we
[17:21] <djsiegel1> so, let's get this straight
[17:22] <djsiegel1> what does upstream disagree with?
[17:22] <djsiegel1> ok, monochrome won't do because they want a button-like appearance
[17:23] <djsiegel1> that's a lot of buttons in your buddy list... :(
[17:25] <vish> djsiegel1: exactly too much clutter _beside_ the names in the buddy list... it could rather be just two buttons at the bottom of the list which activate when the buddy is selected
[17:55] <djsiegel1> ok vish
[17:55] <djsiegel1> vish: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/217582/Files%20Shared%20from%20GNOME%20Do/Screenshot-2-1213890507.png
[17:56] <vish> djsiegel1: neat  , i like it :)
[17:58] <vish> djsiegel1: is that a mockup or did you fix it?
[17:58] <djsiegel1> mockup
[17:58] <vish> ah , nice


[04:07] <duende> hi, I have a problem
[04:08] <duende> I wish change color to a JtoggleButton when is pushit
[04:08] <duende> o selected


[08:29] <mightyiam> mmm GRAIL yummy...
[14:05] <qengho> Oh, tracker, why do you hate me?
[14:06] <qengho> 2GB "meta.db"? sounds reasonable.
[14:06] <qengho> 168% of CPU? ah, alright.
[14:10] <qengho> No time to debug! SIGSTOP for now.
[18:35] <njin> Hallo, the problem is:
[18:37] <njin> Last week I opened Disks and it advice me that my disk will fail in the next 24 hrs, but onscreen nothing was advicing me of this problem.
[18:39] <njin> So I want to know wich is the prog. that manage this thing and if it is again implemented in Quantal (on brainstorming a reply tells that it was working in Precise)


[00:40] <ltrager> roaksoax, benlake: There is some preliminary discussion for timesyncd support in cloud-init in https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1686485
[00:41] <ltrager> rharper: Any progress on that ^?
[09:36] <mup> Bug #1695229 opened: Badblocks: Value too large for defined data type invalid end block <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695229>
[09:39] <mup> Bug #1695229 changed: Badblocks: Value too large for defined data type invalid end block <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695229>
[09:57] <mup> Bug #1695229 opened: Badblocks: Value too large for defined data type invalid end block <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695229>
[09:58] <cshen> Hi guys, we saw version 2.2 is released. but in our production system, we want to stick to 2.1 version. How can we still get 2.1 from PPA?
[12:44] <piwi3910> can someone point me to how to install 3rd party drivers before the commission
[12:45] <piwi3910> I have some fusionIO cards in my servers i want to show up as disks
[12:45] <piwi3910> install procedure is straightforward just apt-get install a few packages from my repo
[13:02] <cshen> piwi3910: add repo to apt source?
[13:26] <roaksoax> piwi3910: /etc/maas/drivers.yaml
[13:27] <roaksoax> piwi3910: or you could add your own commissioning script
[15:03] <mup> Bug #1695290 opened: [2.2] If 99-maas-02-capture-lldp times out, the machine gets marked failed commissioning <field> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.2:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695290>
[15:22] <piwi3910> thxs guys
[16:34] <mup> Bug # opened: 1695301, 1695307, 1695309, 1695311, 1695312
[17:34] <mup> Bug #1695339 opened: [2.2] MAAS racks connect to too many region endpoints <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.2:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695339>
[19:22] <mup> Bug #1695463 opened: [2.2.0+bzr6057-snap] Stacktrace appears when pointing to a non-existent region controller <docteam> <snap> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695463>
[20:21] <benlake> roaksoax: “own commissioning script”? Have something you can point at about that. I’m interested.
[23:11] <benlake> has anyone bothered to proxy snapd updating?


[04:23] <researcher> :-(
[04:24] <researcher> hello friends Im just new
[04:24] <researcher> Can I expec to be guided here?
[04:25] <researcher> some very basic question
[04:52] <Ahmuck> anyone seen spicebird?
[06:29] <nubae> Ahmuck, no but cool nickname
[06:29] <nubae> how u doing?
[06:30] <nubae> Ahmuck, if u wanna be really amazed, I mean really really by a edu distro, take a  look at the new opensuse 11.2 (theres a review on my website frontpage www.nubae.com)
[14:51] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:53] <dgroos> Good Morning sbalneav!
[16:44] <researcher> :)Hello everybody
[16:46] <dgroos> researcher: hello!
[16:47] <researcher> thanks u noticed me
[16:48] <dgroos> :)
[16:48] <researcher> is this the only way to communicate here?
[16:48] <researcher> Cant we make voice talk here?
[16:48] <dgroos> as an irc I think it's only text...
[16:49] <researcher> ok
[16:49] <researcher> I want a picture to appear at the bottom of screen on edubuntu when a kid studies
[16:49] <researcher> is it possible ?
[16:50] <mhall119> what do you mean?
[16:51] <dgroos> yes... a student logs in to their account, right?
[16:51] <mhall119> you want a picture to appear on top of everything else?
[16:51] <dgroos> then?  do you mean this would be their desktop 'wall paper'?
[16:51] <researcher> not wall paper
[16:51] <researcher> at the bottom of the screen
[16:52] <researcher> small pic or text
[16:52] <mhall119> in the panel?  or floating above everything else?
[16:52] <researcher> I must have options
[16:53] <researcher> panel preferred
[16:54] <dgroos> describe how you plan on using it--why you want it--what is the purpose of this picture.
[16:54] <researcher> I want to creat a CD with my name and photo
[16:55] <researcher> so that in whichever cllass it is installed studnet sknow the teacher name and photo
[16:56] <dgroos> don't get the CD part...
[16:56] <researcher> that means its my photo and my name so my laboratory kids know this resource has come  from this teacher
[16:57] <dgroos> how does this relate to the idea of a CD?
[16:57] <researcher> about CD part. .... Want to have self installable edubuntu CD
[16:57] <researcher> when it is inserted and PC started then it installs Edubuntu..
[16:57] <researcher> which edubuntu when used shows my picture and name
[16:58] <researcher> did I make my requirements clear ?
[17:01] <dgroos> getting close!  do you want a permanent install on the PC or do you want to run it off the CD so there is no change made to the HD of the PC?
[17:02] <researcher> Permanent install on the PC
[17:06] <dgroos> options depend, I think, on weather users will be logging in a school wide server.  Or, is there no log in?  If a server, will it be edubuntu server?
[17:06] <researcher> no server
[17:06] <researcher> stand alone pc
[17:07] <researcher> there is no login
[17:07] <dgroos> OK, now there are a few things here.
[17:08] <researcher> yes plz
[17:08] <dgroos> Actually, edubuntu no longer uses CD but DVD--gives more options.
[17:08] <researcher> ok
[17:08] <dgroos> Is there a network available to connect all these stand-alones, to?
[17:09] <researcher> may be at times
[17:10] <researcher> normally unconnected PCs
[17:13] <dgroos> Instead of using a speciallized DVD, I would consider installing on a single PC, customizing it with a picture/name like you want, then by making an image of it onto a flash drive, then going around, from computer to computer, and burning this speciallized image on to each PC.
[17:14] <researcher> thats enough good
[17:14] <dgroos> Then, customizing the PC for another classroom, make new image and repeat process.  'course, could use a USB external HD too.
[17:14] <researcher> thats fine
[17:14] <dgroos> So... there are 2 things here...
[17:14] <researcher> plz
[17:15] <dgroos> 1.  how do you add the image to the bottom of a window (mhall119? he's your man on that).  And...
[17:16] <mhall119> I am?
[17:16] <alkisg> (for an icon or text with a customized picture, see the fish applet: right click on a panel, add applet, fish...)
[17:16] <dgroos> si senor :)
[17:16] <alkisg> (and it supports a custom command when clicked, so you could pop-up a dialog with your name there, with zenity)
[17:17] <dgroos> good evening alkisg
[17:17] <alkisg> Hi all - just dropping an idea and leaving to see a TV show :D
[17:18] <researcher> what am I to do now. Whats this fish applet?
[17:19] <alkisg> http://www.fifi.org/doc/gnome-help-data/html/fish_applet/C/index.html ==> but of course you can put your face instead of a fish
[17:19] <alkisg> Try it on your ubuntu to see.
[17:19] <researcher> oh.thanks
[17:19]  * alkisg will be back later...
[17:20] <researcher> :-D
[17:20] <researcher> how to save this chat for later reference?
[17:22] <dgroos> 2.  to learn about the process of making and using images, check out http://clonezilla.com--pretty slick, pretty efficient too.
[17:22] <researcher> ok.thanks
[17:23] <researcher> it says "server not found"
[17:23] <researcher> ok . Got it
[17:24] <dgroos> lots of ways to save.  besides using the built in possiblities of the chat client you are using, you can copy the whole chat and past it into a wordprocessing document.
[17:24] <researcher> ok
[17:24] <dgroos> sorry--yes http://clonezilla.org
[17:24] <dgroos> Good luck!
[17:25] <researcher> u people r wonderfully helpfull
[17:25] <researcher> may u have all thats Peace,health,Wealth and Joy
[17:27] <dgroos> another resource is join the edubuntu list--it's an e-mail list where you can get help via e-mailing. Do a search for edubuntu users list.
[17:27] <dgroos> Thanks and to you as well.
[17:28] <researcher> good night
[17:28] <researcher> How can I meet you again?
[17:29] <dgroos> 'here' also edubuntu user list.
[17:32] <researcher> see you
[17:32] <researcher> bye
[20:18] <vistro> Hello. I just performed a clean install of Ubuntu on another computer last night, and when I installed edubuntu (after applying all of the package upadates), I can't login after a reboot.
[20:18] <vistro> I logon, and I get the Ubuntu logo and the logon loading thing, and then it bumps me right back to the logon screen
[20:19] <vistro> The only thing that changes is that the screen resolutionchanges to what I picked for my account, but it goes right back to the original resolution when it puts me back at the logon screen
[20:19] <vistro> What do I do?
[20:36] <feathercloud> Hey, running ltsp-server with 3 nics, 2 ltsp-client subnets and an internet connected interface: ldm doesn't start in this case: tty7 echo's nc: invalid option -- 'f'. (using ltsp 5 on ubuntu karmic). Disabling one thin client network iface in dhcp-server 'solves' the issue. Is this a known bug?
[21:09] <vistro> Can anyone here help with a logon problem after installing edubuntu?
[21:13] <alkisg> vistro: on LTSP clients? or on a standalone pc?
[21:13] <vistro> standalone
[21:13] <vistro> once a user is created and logged in
[21:13] <vistro> one logout, and it's useless
[21:14] <vistro> the most I can do is a terminal if I select xsometing from the session menu
[21:14] <vistro> it acts like it will log in, and it goes back to the logon screen
[21:14] <alkisg> See the user's ~/.xsession-errors for any messages
[21:14] <vistro> the most noticable change it goes through in the steps to bring me my desktop is it changes my screen rez for maybe 6 secons
[21:14] <vistro> how do I do that?
[21:15] <alkisg> Get the xterm thing, and run: cat ~/.xsession-errors
[21:15] <vistro> Okay. I'm in the middle of trying to uninstlall edubuntu to see if that helps
[21:16] <vistro> Nope, same song and dance...   Only some wireless carda are supported
[22:24] <vistro> Linksys
[22:24] <vistro> usb card
[22:24] <vistro> it sees it
[22:24] <vistro> but good luck connecting to a network
[22:25] <sbalneav> There are some bugs in NetworkManager that I think are fixed in "Proposed", but not in the main archive.
[22:25] <vistro> then where do I get them
[22:25] <vistro> the card works just fine on my laptop
[22:25] <sbalneav> You might try turning on the "Proposed" archive in software-sources, and doing an update
[22:25] <vistro> thus confirming my theoroy on ubuntu's hate for desktop wireless
[22:26] <sbalneav> System -> Admin -> Software sources
[22:26] <sbalneav> click on "updates" tab
[22:26] <sbalneav> check off "karmic-proposed"
[22:26] <sbalneav> Then update your system.
[22:28] <sbalneav> You're using edubuntu?
[22:31] <sbalneav> vistro: I'm heading home for the day.  I'll be on later on tonight if you need any further help.
[22:37] <vistro> can't do it
[22:37] <vistro> at all. ever
[22:37] <vistro> won't let me log into gnome on any account other than the non-superuser
[22:37] <vistro> so that won't work at all ever
[22:38] <vistro> wish there was a magic command that turned off the shitty_experience package
[22:38] <vistro> somehow my laptop turned that off for me
[22:38] <vistro> how do I enter this menu on SDE?


[10:49] <SCHAAP137> môggeuh
[18:28] <Kuldeep_> Hai
[18:30] <Kuldeep_> How to partition the ubuntu 12.4?
[18:30]  * Kuldeep_ slaps commandoline around a bit with a large fishbot
[18:31]  * Kuldeep_ slaps Arieh around a bit with a large fishbot
[18:44] <Kuldeep_> hai
[18:55] <lordievader> Kuldeep_: This is the Dutch Ubuntu support channel, for the English one see #ubuntu. To answer your question, get a partition editor like parted (CLI) or gparted (graphical).
[18:59] <Kuldeep_> ya am using gparted but the resize option is not enabled
[19:00] <lordievader> Kuldeep_: Hmm, I know relatively little about gparted. Prefer the cli version myself. Is the partition mounted?
[19:02] <Kuldeep_> ok
[19:08] <Kuldeep_> what actually cli means
[19:10] <lordievader> Command line interface, terminal applications.
[19:12] <Kuldeep_> ok thanks, then how can i partition by using cli ony
[19:13] <Kuldeep_> only
[19:14] <bn_> sudo fdisk /dev/sdx
[19:14] <bn_> I think
[19:14] <bn_> but I'm not 100% sure if this is what you are after
[19:16] <lordievader> Kuldeep_: See the man page of parted.
[19:16] <lordievader> Or fdisk.
[19:16] <Kuldeep_> ok thanks.


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[00:49] <Winters> Greetings. Which channel do I use for support?
[00:56] <valorie> Winters: for kubuntu support, you are in the right chan
[00:57] <Winters> What channel is for Ubuntu?
[00:57] <valorie> there are lots, but the basic support chan is #ubuntu
[00:57] <valorie> !alis
[00:57] <valorie> you might find that useful, Winters
[00:57] <valorie> I use it a lot
[00:58] <Winters> Just one last question. Is this chat for Ubuntu?
[00:59] <valorie> we're all part of the ubuntu community
[00:59] <Winters> Ok confused, but will let it be.
[00:59] <valorie> and kubuntu is KDE desktop on ubuntu, so yes
[00:59] <valorie> ubuntu base provides lots of different desktops
[00:59] <valorie> you can use any or all, as you prefer
[01:00] <valorie> some desktops come with associated applications; again, you can use any or all
[01:00] <valorie> whether they 'match' or not
[01:00] <Winters> How do I know what I have?
[01:00] <valorie> what sort of install medium did you use?
[01:01] <Winters> I used a USB.
[01:01] <Winters> And just downloaded there link that said LTS.
[01:01] <valorie> called Ubuntu, or Kubuntu?
[01:02] <Winters> I say Ubuntu.
[01:02] <Winters> saw*
[01:03] <valorie> in your IRC app, does it have a Help menu item?
[01:03] <valorie> if it comes associated with a particular desktop, it will say so in there
[01:04] <valorie> for instance, I use Konversation, which is a KDE application -- in the help menu, there is About Konversation, and About KDE
[01:06] <Winters> I see Ubuntu Desktop Guide.
[01:06] <Winters> 12.04 LTS
[01:07] <valorie> cool, ok, you have Ubuntu
[01:07] <valorie> we might be able to answer some of your questions, but #ubuntu is likely to be more helpful
[01:07] <Winters> What is Xubuntu?
[01:07] <valorie> that is the desktop xfce on ubuntu base
[01:08] <Winters> OH ok.
[01:08] <valorie> excellent for older machines
[01:08] <Winters> On Linux Mint they have only one help room.
[01:08] <valorie> very light and fast
[01:08] <Winters> I love the gui stuff.
[01:08] <valorie> mint is a spinoff of ubuntu, as I recall
[01:08] <valorie> there are lots of those
[01:08] <Winters> Yes, it is. Support is not so great. haha
[01:08] <valorie> some love it
[01:09] <valorie> everyone should use what they like; this isn't religion
[01:09] <Winters> LOL
[01:09] <Winters> Can you link me to the different downloads of Ubuntu?
[01:09] <valorie> nice chatting with ya, but it is dinner time here, and I'm going afk
[01:09] <valorie> such as what, Winters?
[01:09] <Winters> Ok, thanks for your help.
[01:09] <valorie> the latest?
[01:10] <Winters> The LTS ones/
[01:11] <valorie> !lts
[01:11] <valorie> not helpful
[01:12] <Winters> What?
[01:12] <valorie> !precise
[01:12] <valorie> there we go
[01:12] <Winters> Thank you kindly.
[01:12] <valorie> the link above should have all the LTS releases
[01:13] <Winters> It does. Thank you once again.
[01:14] <Winters> http://www.kubuntu.org is for this chat room?
[02:03] <Winters> How can I install an ISO to a USB?
[02:08] <Winters> Greetings dziegler, is kubuntu.org for this chat?
[02:13] <valorie> kubuntu.org is our website, yes
[02:13] <valorie> and yes you can burn an ISO to a usb
[02:13] <valorie> that's how I always do it nowdays
[02:14] <valorie> kubuntu has 'startup disk creator'
[02:14] <valorie> not sure what ubuntu calls it
[02:15] <valorie> we have alt+f2; I think there is a search thing on the unity desktop as well
[02:15] <valorie> now
[02:16] <valorie> oh, winters left
[02:16] <valorie> damn
[02:25] <jalcine> valorie: it's called the same thing
[02:25] <jalcine> ah
[02:25] <jalcine> he's gone :/
[02:26] <valorie> yeah
[02:26] <valorie> boo
[04:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so i went and did a clean install on my new laptop (moved the hdd from an old one). the network manager does not look to have any wireless support?? the edit connections does have the wireless connection i setup during install but has no scanning abaility. what happened??
[04:09] <jbwiv> hi guys. I switched to kde after upgrading ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 and then installing kubuntu-desktop via apt. However, I can't seem to find how I should manage wireless interfaces (or any ifcs, for that matter). There's no icon in the systray that I can seem to find. Should there be or is there another way?
[04:10] <valorie> Whiskey`Wonka: wireless worked out of the box for me
[04:10] <valorie> !wireless
[04:10] <jalcine> jbwiv: you want the new Plasma Network Management tool
[04:10] <valorie> maybe some of that stuff will help?
[04:10] <jalcine> it should be part of the systray though
[04:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> valorie: yea it worked in the installer but not after first boot
[04:11] <valorie> bizarre
[04:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> very
[04:12] <valorie> anyway, the wifidocs have good cli stuff to figure out what's going on
[04:12] <valorie> years ago I used to have trouble
[04:12] <Whiskey`Wonka> heh. im highly familure with the cli
[04:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> its a pita to manage nearly 400 wireless connections by hand
[04:13] <jalcine> ^^
[04:19] <jbwiv> jalcine: do you know what command will start it from the cmdline?
[04:20] <jalcine> sudo service network-manager restart should start it over if it isn't running already
[04:20] <jalcine> does ifconfig and iwconfig show you anything?
[04:20] <jbwiv> jalcine: think i just found it by enabling "Network Management" in the panel options
[04:20] <jalcine> :D
[04:20] <jbwiv> jalcine: yeah, both work fine. cool, thanks
[04:21] <jalcine> odd that it's not enabled by default, though
[04:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh joy! wireless card wasnt even detected on this book
[04:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> boot
[04:24] <jalcine> Whiskey`Wonka: broadcam?
[04:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> NIEN!
[04:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> intel
[04:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> i might swap in a atheros but intel has been good enough lately
[04:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> in fact it was working with my old install 12.10 before i cleared it and went with 13.10
[04:26] <Whiskey`Wonka> this hdd was pulled from 2 or 3 laptops ago
[04:30] <Whiskey`Wonka> uhg an the screen randonly still goes full black mmm
[04:30] <jalcine> that's weird
[04:30] <jalcine> intel should work ootb
[04:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> yea i ahve to turn the brightness back up by hand
[04:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes, yes it should.
[04:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> no module loaded this time
[04:31] <jalcine> Whiskey`Wonka: at what point? like after KDM/KSplash
[04:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> jalcine: at any time after login. i suspect it is the screen timeout
[04:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> just sometimes it doesnt come back on its own
[04:36] <jalcine> hmmm
[04:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> this lenovo has been .... meh
[04:37] <jalcine> I thought lenovos were cool with linux :$
[04:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> mmm i wonder if the firmware wasnt installed during install
[04:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> yea normaly they are
[04:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> i think this is a case of a install booboo
[04:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> at least the wireless cardd anyhow
[04:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh! and it didnt load any bluetooth manager mmm
[04:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> acpi errors lovely
[04:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> bah, breaking out the hardline
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh yay no audio also
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> wth is wrong with the 13.10 installer
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> i can boot to the installer off my usb stick adn it works fine
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> installed os, nope
[05:11] <valorie> you verified it, etc?
[05:11] <valorie> and is this a fresh download, or an old spin?
[05:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> fresh this afternoon
[05:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> and booted from usb
[05:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> when i modprobe im getting kmod search moddep could not open moddep file
[05:17] <valorie> oh modprobe, how I hated to have to use that
[05:17] <valorie> !modprobe
[05:17] <valorie> ok.....
[05:17] <valorie> ubottu doesn't like to think of it either
[05:17] <valorie> amen, sister
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> it looks like /lib is some how not accessable
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> ran depmod and /lib/.... does not exist or not accessable
[05:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh!
[05:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> WTF
[05:19] <jalcine> o?
[05:19] <jalcine> !google modprobe
[05:19] <jalcine> lol, sheesh
[05:19] <valorie> that's whached, Whiskey`Wonka
[05:20] <Whiskey`Wonka> ya ive got 3.11.0-14-genaric and there is only -12 in /lib/modules
[05:21] <valorie> whacked
[05:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> very
[05:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> so a few packages were upgradable, one being the -12 kernel O_o
[05:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> now its installing -14
[06:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> yay
[06:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> fixing the kernel did the trick. now, why the buggers was it messed up like that?!?!
[06:03] <valorie> you might not have noticed if the updates were installed as it went along, instead of after
[06:03] <valorie> however, whatever bug was active in the beginning, I thought was fixed
[06:04] <valorie> Whiskey`Wonka: will you please write to kub-devel and report your experience?
[06:04] <valorie> you don't have to subscribe, if you aren't
[06:04] <valorie> I think we should fix this
[06:17] <Whiskey`Wonka> valorie: i guess but i have no idea what lead to it or anything, it might be a one off
[06:22] <valorie> Whiskey`Wonka: but if you write and the devels want to ask you technical questions, they will be able to ask
[06:22] <valorie> most of them don't monitor this chan
[06:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> alright so exactly where is the repoting at
[06:27] <valorie><EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think
[07:21] <soee> good morning
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:34] <qdata> sigh: I had hoped a clean and fresh install of 13.10 from scratch would make this go away:  http://pastebin.com/Tip3iQSA
[10:34] <qdata> guess not
[10:35] <lordievader> qdata: Seems to me your nVidia driver is misbehaving.
[10:36] <qdata> started in 13.04
[10:37] <qdata> complete lockup - have to press reset button to restart machine
[10:39] <lordievader> qdata: From your log: "This may be caused my a misbehaving driver monopolizing the server's resources." Not very strange that you have a complete lockup if <- is true.
[10:39] <qdata> don't remember who I got email contact with at Nvidia, but I emailed this to them almost a year ago
[10:39] <lordievader> What driver do you use and what card do you have?
[10:40] <qdata> it's a GTS-450 and the driver is the one from the kubuntu repos
[10:40] <qdata> 319.60
[10:42] <qdata> I've been seeing this for almost a year now, very random sporadic to the tune of happening about once a month
[10:43] <qdata> I would normally tend to blame hardware for something this intermittent, but the backtrace is always the same
[10:44] <lordievader> qdata: On the nVidia website I see a 319.76 release, perhaps that fixes the problem.
[10:48] <qdata> right now I'm just bummed; as an end-user I need to be spending my computer time doing money-making things - every hour I spend trying to fix something broken is an hour I'm not making money
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:09] <daft> Hi, i use kubuntu for a while now (nice) but now i try to write a letter in libreoffice and the quotes are not working '"  <- those two
[13:11] <soee> daft, define not working
[13:11] <daft> define?
[13:12] <daft> you mean insert -> special character?
[13:12] <soee> daft whad do you mean by "the quotes are not working"
[13:12] <daft> I cant type them.
[13:13] <daft> é is one ' and then an e
[13:13] <daft> ' is hitting '' twice
[13:13] <daft> but not in libre office. there it does noting,
[13:13] <daft> same for "
[13:14] <soee> maybe some problem with keyboard layout ?
[13:15] <daft> can you use the quotes in libre office
[13:16] <soee> Writer ?
[13:17] <soee> yes they rok fine
[13:17] <soee> *work
[13:18] <lordievader> daft: Try hitting " and then space. The Dutch kb layout, for example, works this way.
[13:18] <daft> nope nothing.
[13:19] <lordievader> daft: Do they work in other programs btw?
[13:25] <daft> :/
[13:28] <lordievader> daft: Do they work in other programs btw?
[13:28] <daft> yea
[13:28] <lordievader> daft: So it is a problem with Libreoffice?
[13:29] <daft> yup the problem is limited to LibreOffice
[13:31] <lordievader> daft: I don't use LibreOffice so I'm afraid I cannot help you there. But I think the folks over at #libreoffice might be able to help you.
[13:32] <daft> oki. thanks.
[17:49] <alexthecrate>   /dcc chat jnvsor
[17:49] <alexthecrate> hi der
[20:11] <willwork4foo> Hi all... does anyone know of a decent, truly global GUI network proxy switcher?
[20:12] <willwork4foo> the proxy program that ships with Kubuntu appears to be pretty much completely ineffective
[21:34] <Gatis> hi
[21:35] <Gatis>  I connected Windows Phone 8 to Lubuntu 13.10 and tried to move files insid SD card but i couldnt. I had error that its unsupported.. WHY?
[21:35] <Gatis> i get this error: http://i43.tinypic.com/2468htv.png
[21:41] <lordievader> Gatis: This is #kubuntu, for Lubuntu support is in #lubuntu.
[21:42] <Gatis> I know
[21:43] <Unit193> Gatis: Don't crosspost.
[21:43] <Gatis> why
[21:44] <lordievader> !crosspost
[21:44] <Gatis> why not fair?
[22:39] <amundsen> hi
[22:39] <amundsen> i'm having a problem with trash plasmoid
[22:39] <amundsen> when i clock over it to open trash
[22:40] <amundsen> dolphin opens in home directory
[22:40] <amundsen> instead of doing it in trash


[14:44] <Kangarooo> how to report bug- i came to computer and i had icon of crash in notification panel. clicked it crashed and clicking to reload something then got 2 crashes then 3 then 4 each time sending crashes and reloading something that crashed that could not send crash. Ubuntu-bug i choose security? There is no main bug reporting option
[18:38] <tomreyn> Kangarooo: if you'd like to report a bug about the bug reporting software, you'd file it against "apport" (after ensuring it has not been filed, yet).
[18:39] <tomreyn> on a side note: this is a support question + answer, and support is in #ubuntu
[18:39] <Kangarooo> its apport that gave crashes? then all crashes that happened will be posted in bug report? tomreyn  ok
[18:40] <tomreyn> Kangarooo: crashes and crash reporting are handled by whoopsie, but it integrates with apport.