[10:32] <inx> guys.....can somebody help me.....i got Totem + gstreamer to play mpeg.....and installed couple other player....when i'm trying to play wideo in other player i get video without da sound.....when i'm trying to get video in totem i get video & audio BUT video is not catching up with da audio...what to do?
[10:33] <pipeline> korhalf: The indentation would be fine if actually worked.  As the interpreter will allow you to use spaces instead of tabs, or worse, mix tabs and spaces, very weird things can happen.
[10:33] <mcphail> The forced indentation is the worst thing
[10:33] <franfar> but ubuntu Updates keep making the sendto app to not allow me to send
[10:33] <djm62> korhalf: the indentation is arguably invisible unmatched braces, but I do like python
[10:33] <mallox> crimsun: downloaded realtek..xxxx.tar.bz2 ... console tar xjvf realtek.tar.bz2..its all
[10:33] <crimsun> pipeline: / korhalf: this is -offtopic material.
[10:33] <korhalf> trappist, yes and for that you have to put "end"
[10:33] <cyphase> Where is the apt-get lock file?
[10:33] <pipeline> korhalf: Of course, the little things like horrible performance don't bother me that much.  It's the absolutely, positively, totally broken garbage collection I find most deeply offensive.
[10:34] <inx> guys.....can somebody help me.....i got Totem + gstreamer to play mpeg.....and installed couple other player....when i'm trying to play wideo in other player i get video without da sound.....when i'm trying to get video in totem i get video & audio BUT video is not catching up with da audio...what to do?
[10:34] <korhalf> pipeline, i really enjoy not managing my own memory, tryout quod libet regardless, its great, and thats python :P
[10:34] <pipeline> korhalf: Garbage collection was a Solved Problem before I was born, before Python was a twinkle in a moron's eye.  And yet Guido thought he was just smarter than fifty years of research and went on to implement a totally broken garbage collection scheme.
[10:34] <ndlovu> cyphase: this may give you some answers: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94045
[10:34] <mwe> cyphase: removing it is not a good idea, probably
[10:34] <pipeline> korhalf: Heh, I have a very weird rhythmbox fork from before they switched to CVS that is very, very nice.  I do not think I will be abandoning it :P
[10:34] <cyphase> mwe, why?
[10:34] <crimsun> mallox: and where did you install it?
[10:35] <crimsun> mallox: I need the precise sequence of steps you took
[10:35] <mwe> cyphase: because it's there because something is using apt and needs the lock
[10:35] <korhalf> pipeline, oh i see
[10:35] <franfar> Why is Ubuntu keeping backwards the sendto app???
[10:35] <cyphase> mwe, that's just it..
[10:35] <cyphase> i was running apt-get..
[10:35] <cyphase> and i killed it
[10:35] <CaptainMorgan> still won't play .wma's..
[10:35] <CaptainMorgan> after running that command
[10:35] <cyphase> so it couldn't free up the lock
[10:35] <mallox> crimsun: I put package at desktop and UNtar it..
[10:36] <DA_MELKMAN> korhalf, I ran a script that autodetected my voodoo3 card, but now it asks for the video card's bus identifier.. the strange thing is that it says PCI:0:0:1, but it's an AGP card...
[10:36] <inx> guys....
[10:36] <CaptainMorgan> I downloaded it to my dekstop an ran the next command..
[10:36] <CaptainMorgan> nothing
[10:36] <mwe> cyphase: well in that case look in /var/lock
[10:36] <inx> guys.....can somebody help me.....i got Totem + gstreamer to play mpeg.....and installed couple other player....when i'm trying to play wideo in other player i get video without da sound.....when i'm trying to get video in totem i get video & audio BUT video is not catching up with da audio...what to do?
[10:36] <DA_MELKMAN> can i change PCI into AGP?
[10:36] <cyphase> mwe, i did
[10:36] <pipeline> korhalf: To add insult to injury, after it was discovered that the reference count gc didn't work (surprise, surprise), they didn't remove it because they didn't want to limit backwards compatibility with existing C modules.  Keep in mind that this decision was made when python had like, five users.
[10:36] <cyphase> it's fixed now anyway
[10:36] <CaptainMorgan> mplayer has completely lightened the songs... most of them.. whereas totem will play most everything but wmas
[10:36] <PoW> How could I enable the buttons on the side of my mouse?
[10:36] <PoW> Mouse_4 I believe
[10:36] <crimsun> mallox: and then?
[10:37] <pipeline> korhalf: So, as a result, today, we have a language which will, no matter what, leak memory.  If you use *any* external module in your python script, even some of the ones that come with the base python distribution, your python program will leak.  This is a pisser because it didn't have to be this way.
[10:37] <stimpie> I have a scroll wheel on my keyboard, does someone know how to get that working?
[10:37] <pipeline> stimpie: If it was possible to make it work, it should already be working. :|
[10:37] <djm62> PoW: did you get the printer working? I had to go (family now fed) earlier
[10:38] <pipeline> CaptainMorgan: Did you install the w32codecs package?
[10:38] <mallox> crimsun: then ints end..I listened songs..after restart -> device not found..
[10:38] <DA_MELKMAN> ndlovu, I ran a script that autodetected my voodoo3 card, but now it asks for the video card's bus identifier.. the strange thing is that it says PCI:0:0:1, but it's an AGP card...
[10:38] <DA_MELKMAN> can i change PCI into AGP?
[10:38] <llamuh> right so im still trying to get my proxim wifi card working and think it may be a atheros chipset so i went to 'make' the madwifi and found out that ubuntu doesnt install build-essential package so i installed it but when i go to make it says kernelpath not found so i check the path /usr/src/linux and there is nothing there so i attempt to apt-get linux-source and get "you must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list  .. any help?
[10:38] <pipeline> DA_MELKMAN: Just leave it alone.
[10:38] <DA_MELKMAN> pipeline: OK
[10:38] <pipeline> DA_MELKMAN: From the software's perspective, AGP devices are PCI bus devices.
[10:38] <stimpie> pipeline, well it has never worked under linux.
[10:38] <DA_MELKMAN> i see, thx
[10:38] <korhalf> Ew AGP?
[10:38] <pipeline> stimpie: Well, there you have it, then.
[10:38] <korhalf> someone still uses that?
[10:38] <korhalf> PCI Express pal
[10:38] <pipeline> korhalf: People will continue to use AGP for quite a few years yet, bud.
[10:39] <pipeline> korhalf: PCI-E doesn't provide enough juice
[10:39] <stimpie> pipeline, cant I solve it by adding an 2e mouse to x.conf?
[10:39] <pipeline> korhalf: And OEMs don't like filthy hacks.
[10:39] <M_Cheevy> heya folks... gotta few problems here and rather than ask y'all to debug them I figured I'd just to a reinstall.  Big concern is the 300+ meg I had to d/l to get to this point.  If I have a sarge install cd, can I use that as the source for .deb without breaking anything?
[10:39] <korhalf> pipeline, I'm certain AGP was just temporary
[10:39] <crimsun> mallox: uname -r
[10:39] <korhalf> pipeline, I used to run my Radeon chip on AGP till i realized i didnt want 20 FPS whilst playing CS:S
[10:39] <mwe> please cut the off topic crap
[10:39] <pipeline> korhalf: Well, as long as you have to plug cables from the power supply into the graphics card to make it work, there will continue to be a market for AGP cards.
[10:40] <crimsun> I've already warned you guys to move the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[10:40] <mallox> 2.6.12-10-686
[10:40] <llamuh> heh now i remember why i only run linux for a month out of every year for the past 7 years..   pretty sad when it cant detect one of the most popular wifi cards ever
[10:40] <crimsun> mallox: sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ && sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r)
[10:41] <stimpie> llamuh, ask the manufacturer to create a driver
[10:41] <M_Cheevy> stimpie: thankfully gone
[10:41] <blahblah> what packages do i need to install to start programming in C?
[10:41] <crimsun> blahblah: build-essential
[10:41] <djm62> stimpie: too late...he'll use it (and break it) when it comes preinstalled
[10:41] <Jaymac> build essential
[10:41] <Jaymac> gcc
[10:41] <goonie> how do I install mplayer? I get a message saying "mplayer-custom:
[10:41] <goonie>  Depends: libavcodec2  but it is not installable"
[10:41] <mcphail> blahblah: vim
[10:42] <_jason> goonie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[10:42] <blahblah> k thanks...
[10:42] <djm62> aetheros works perfectly here, incidentally (although I didn't install through it)
[10:42] <jenda> I need help changing paper size in Ubuntu using foomatic. And changing it in the printer setup utility doesn't help
[10:42] <M_Cheevy> quick question, when ubuntu puts out a release, how synchronised are the .deb files with debian's sarge distro?
[10:42] <goonie> _jason~ thx
[10:42] <mallox> crimsun: moment..modprobe alsa -> FATAL: Module alsa not found. can it do this shits?
[10:42] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: Not at all.
[10:42] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: Ubuntu forks from Unstable.  And it doesn't sync very well to that.
[10:42] <mwe> goonie: mplayer-custom. what the heck is that? mine is mplayer-386
[10:42] <crimsun> mallox: there's no module named alsa. Do what I told you, please.
[10:42] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: bugger!  so a reinstall is not very desireable
[10:43] <mallox> ok..
[10:43] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: I don't understand.
[10:43] <pipeline> jenda: Is the "printer setup utility" in question gnome-cups-manager? It may be that this issue is a limitation of the driver :|
[10:43] <goonie> mwe~ not sure really, says "this version is for your own machine" or something like that
[10:43] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: I've got a number of problems here. but don't want to re-d/l the 400+ megs it to get to this point.... I was thinking re-install using my sarge disk but....
[10:44] <crimsun> M_Cheevy: we do a massive sync with Sid at the beginning of each devel cycle, and periodically an autosync runs for Sid packages that are unmodified in the devel branch. If we make any changes specific to Ubuntu, then we hand-merge them.
[10:44] <mallox> crimsun: source busy
[10:44] <pipeline> jenda: The LJ1k series have weird drivers, as I mentioned earlier, as they're not /really/ PS or PCL
[10:44] <crimsun> mallox: "source"?
[10:44] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: It's distantly possible that you could upgrade *from* sarge to ubuntu, but I wouldn't want to try it.  Besides, what's wrong with sarge?
[10:44] <mwe> goonie: well I'd try mplayer-386
[10:44] <M_Cheevy> hmmm, maybe burning what I have down to a cd-rw...
[10:45] <kane__> has anyone tried to run som Adobe porgrams under Ubuntu? (wine or cross. office) I mean like Photoshop CS, Premiere PRO, After effects...
[10:45] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: Let's put it this way: upgrading from sarge to ubuntu, you would end up replacing every single package on the system.
[10:45] <mallox> crimsun: sorry..rm: cannot remove directory `/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686//volatile': Device or resource busy
[10:45] <kane__> sorry for the spelling
[10:45] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: You wouldn't save any downloading.
[10:45] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: nothing, but in my case, with dmraid, the installation under ubuntu was a hell of a lot easier and more "by the book" than with sarge
[10:45] <XiCillin> mwe, solved the problem, i'm just going to donwload the full source of the kernel instead of the patch its easier that way ithink
[10:45] <crimsun> mallox: are you using any binary-only modules (nvidia, ati hardware)?
[10:45] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: That's exceedingly odd, as one of the very few things that ubuntu shares with sarge is the installer.
[10:46] <mcphail> kane__: i think that some of the older versions of photoshop run under crossover
[10:46] <jenda> pipeline: The utility I mean is right clicking the printer in administration>printing. I know that people have managed to convince the computer that they're using a4, but I don't know how. This way it prints fuzzy (very).
[10:46] <mwe> XiCillin: what patch is it?
[10:46] <mallox> crimsun: nvidia grafiq card
[10:46] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: wasn't thinking of upgrading from sarge to ubuntu, was just going to use the sarge dvd as ubuntu's source
[10:46] <DA_MELKMAN> allright, I'm sorry for being such a noob, but eh, how to start gnome from command line (somebody has to start learning somewhere eh :))
[10:46] <XiCillin> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:46] <pipeline> M_Cheevy: Err, well, that might work, sort of, but you'll end up with sarge installed.
[10:46] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: the issue isn't with the installer, the issue is with the quality wiki article that's very ubuntu specific... plus the kernel installed, is newer
[10:46] <crimsun> mallox: ok, find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'snd*.ko'|wc -l
[10:47] <stimpie> DA_MELKMAN, sudo /etc/ini.d/gdm start
[10:47] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: that's what I gathered from what you said and so I've dismissed it as an option
[10:47] <mwe> XiCillin: yeah. configuring and compiling/installing it is quite a mouthful if you haven't tried it before though
[10:47] <jroemling> join
[10:47] <DA_MELKMAN> stimpie k thx
[10:47] <stimpie> iniT.d
[10:47] <M_Cheevy> pipeline: yes, surprising isn't it, someone who asks for advice and then listens to it and acts on it ;)
[10:47] <kane__> mcphail, is there something like trial of crossover? I'd like to try it (as it is comercial product)...
[10:47] <crimsun> M_Cheevy: cross-grades from Sarge are possible with Breezy.
[10:48] <XiCillin> mwe, i've done it.
[10:48] <steve_> is anyone using MPlayer on Ubuntu? If so, how do you install codecs?
[10:48] <mcphail> kane__: there used to be. Check their website
[10:48] <crimsun> M_Cheevy: not officially supported, of course, but they're possible.
[10:48] <cafuego> !test
[10:48] <ubotflu> Stop poking me!
[10:48] <M_Cheevy> crimsun: sounds like it would be wiser not to go that route though....
[10:48] <dooglus> DA_MELKMAN: better is "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start"
[10:48] <CaptainMorgan> yes, pipeline, I installed the package..
[10:48] <ndlovu> jenda: check http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78272&highlight=paper+size
[10:48] <CaptainMorgan> according to that link..
[10:48] <mwe> XiCillin: you already configured the kernel and compiled and installed it, then make grub use the new kernel and reboot?
[10:48] <DA_MELKMAN> thx dooglus
[10:48] <crimsun> M_Cheevy: of course not, it's not an officially sanctioned path.
[10:48] <M_Cheevy> crimsun: at this point I'll just check my usage stats and if I can just do it over from start...
[10:48] <mwe> XiCillin: that must be a time record
[10:49] <jenda> ndlovu: thx... read through that at least five times already :(
[10:49] <mallox> crimsun: nothitn done..
[10:49] <lightbright> M_Cheevy: hi Mt Chase
[10:49] <steve_> anyone . . installing codecs for mplayer . .
[10:49] <fojtr1am> hello, can anybody explain the function of yaird command?
[10:49] <M_Cheevy> wish I knew what screwed things up thoug so I could avoid it
[10:49] <whaley_work> steve_ there is a package you can install.. i would normally refer to ubotu but he isn't here right now
[10:49] <lightbright> steve_: yes thats easy
[10:49] <CaptainMorgan> maybe I need to restart X
[10:49] <M_Cheevy> lightbright: er, hello... what's Mt Chase?
[10:49] <whaley_work> and i don't have the info bookmarked on my windows machine :(
[10:49] <crimsun> mallox: "nothing done"? It's supposed to give you a number
[10:49] <cafuego> whaley_work: ubotflu is here, ubotus clone.
[10:50] <lightbright> M_Cheevy: I meant Mr Chase, as in Chevy Chase
[10:50] <whaley_work> lol
[10:50] <mallox> crimsun: zero ..
[10:50] <whaley_work> good enough
[10:50] <_ToNhO_>  do anybodyt have an ebook manual for gambas
[10:50] <nalioth> cafuego: thank you.
[10:50] <XiCillin> mwe, haha no, i've done it *before*. but once i get my amd athlon64 X2 4800+ it'll take bou tthat long :-D
[10:50] <stimpie> steve_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[10:50] <M_Cheevy> Lightbright: nope, not where the nick comes from... do a google on "Miniver Cheevy"
[10:50] <fARbROr^KaLL3> hmm.. any skandinavians here? :P
[10:50] <crimsun> mallox: excellent :) Now, sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r)
[10:50] <stimpie> steve_, sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[10:50] <cafuego> seeing as I can't get at them
[10:50] <cafuego> and they're not answering the phone
[10:50] <mwe> XiCillin: I see
[10:50] <steve_> whaley: I have already downloaded the different codecs, but dont know where to extract the codecs
[10:51] <steve_> lightbright: how is it easy? - Teach me :p
[10:51] <goonie> how do I downgrade my ipw2200 module to 1.0.0 ?
[10:51] <fARbROr^KaLL3>  <-- does those work? :D
[10:51] <CaptainMorgan> stimpie, that's the one
[10:51] <lightbright> steve_: its very easy, believe me
[10:51] <mallox> crimsun: downloading..
[10:51] <mwe> goonie: why would you want that?
[10:51] <djm62> fARbROr^KaLL3: assuming you want to sound like a norwegian in pain, yes
[10:51] <fARbROr^KaLL3> :D
[10:51] <whaley_work> steve_, try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:51] <lightbright> steve_: what is your objective?
[10:51] <fARbROr^KaLL3> damn.. why all the people whine about my charset :|
[10:51] <mwe> goonie: it lacks features like proper dhcp support and stuff
[10:52] <steve_> stimpie: where do I input that line of commands?
[10:52] <mallox> crimsun: after restart gnome?
[10:52] <stimpie> on console
[10:52] <steve_> Lightbright: I would like to get wmv files to play
[10:52] <lightbright> steve_: use the shell
[10:52] <crimsun> mallox: no, reboot.
[10:52] <mallox> crimsun: or do you want see results?
[10:53] <lightbright> steve_: wheres a website with  wmv ?
[10:53] <stimpie> steve_, read whaley's link first
[10:53] <goonie> mwe~ because my wireless is fubar since I upgraded to breezy... I connect and everything looks fine but I don't get an IP.. static or DHCP.. This machine worked great with warty (ndiswrapper), worse with hoary (shaky ipw2200 module) and not at all now on breezy
[10:53] <mwe> steve_: look at the url whaley_work suggested
[10:53] <butcherbird> any recommendations for sound mixer app? just simple stuff
[10:53] <cyphase> does anyone know why network-manager requires bind9?
[10:53] <goonie> mwe~ I've read that ppl in my shoes have gotten results with 1.0.0
[10:54] <guerby> hi, should I use nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server on unbutu 5.10?
[10:54] <cafuego> guerby: yes
[10:54] <crimsun> mallox: just reboot and ping me when you're back in GNOME.
[10:54] <mwe> goonie: I see. well get the source and firmware from ipw2200.sf.net and read "INSTALL" inside the tarball
[10:54] <stimpie> guerby, user is more secure/stable, kernel is faster
[10:54] <mallox> crimsun: ok..thanx..
[10:54] <goonie> mwe~ thx again
[10:55] <mwe> goonie: iirc it tells you how to get rid of the old modules and install the new - or rather old one
[10:55] <guerby> stimpie, ok, I'll go for faster :)
[10:55] <ndlovu> jenda, try looking in /etc/cups/ppd/. I have to say I'm no expert on the subject, but the files there seem to be configuration files for the printers. You may have some luck editing them, or you may break your system :)
[10:56] <jenda> ndlovu: thanks :)
[10:56] <action09> hi all, i know it's possible on Debian is it possible on Ubuntu to subscribe by mail to infos/version of a package (e.g. nvidia-glx) to know when next version will come..etc
[10:56] <DA_MELKMAN> argh, is there some sort of safe mode to start gnome in (640*480 res)? Looks like i screwed up something, my monitor says "can't display this mode" :S
[10:56] <crimsun> action09: we have dapper-changes.
[10:57] <steve_> stimpie: i inputed the command line, then they prompt me for a password
[10:58] <stimpie> that is the password of the user with administrator rights
[10:58] <stimpie> becarefully if he asks for that
[10:58] <Squee-D> What app can i use to profile my wireless cards throughput?
[10:58] <AudioMove> if you install ubuntu and install KDE later, how do i remove Gnome, apt-get remove gnome doesnt work, i says gnome is not installed.
[10:59] <LjL> AudioMove: it's not very easy at all
[10:59] <action09> crimsun i'm searching only on Hoary
[10:59] <HighHopes> Hello! I wish I could install xorg from scratch in my ubuntu breezy 5.10 that I've installed as server (to have a very clean installation) .. What apt-get package might I download?  Found it, done it got it! Thanks a bunch.
[11:02] <action09> http://conky.sourceforge.net/conky.png wao :)
[11:02] <mallox> crimsun: yuuuupi...thanx very very much:))
[11:02] <lightbright> dell500: mine does that for about 6months now
[11:02] <DA_MELKMAN> stimpie, thx, but how do i omit the boot to gnome? to access command line?
[11:02] <mallox> crimsun: Im indebted to you..how can I say thankyou?! :)))
[11:02] <steve_> actually I found out how to do it, but thanks for the link to the basic commands
[11:02] <lightbright> LjL: no, its not a broken monitor for a broken monitor doesnt even work
[11:03] <nalioth> ubotflu: tell DA_MELKMAN about bum
[11:03] <Squee-D> lightbright not working to spec is 'broken'
[11:03] <mwe> butcherbird: then it broke completely? :)
[11:03] <Xappe> dell500: first thing I do when the monitor behaves strange is to check the vga connector for bent pins
[11:03] <lightbright> Squee-D: define broken
[11:03] <nalioth> lightbright: if the monitor is going bad, it will exhibit those traits
[11:03] <Squee-D> i just did
[11:03] <Squee-D> not working to spec
[11:03] <Squee-D> "outside of normal operating paramaeters"
[11:04] <lightbright> nalioth: my monitor works and its been displaying those traits for 6moinths, doesnt mean its broken
[11:04] <nalioth> lightbright: there are many levels of "broken"
[11:04] <Kuyaedz> sounds like the same issue I have when routing DVDs thru my VHS.  Maybe its copy protection, for your eyes lol
[11:04] <lightbright> Squee-D: who created that defination of broken?  and who supports that defination?  canthat defination be found in any IT professional literary?
[11:05] <lightbright> nalioth: according to whom?
[11:05] <nalioth> lightbright: let's take this to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:05] <Squee-D> lightbright im not sure, are you sure you have a more accurate description?
[11:05] <Squee-D> I only work on experience, as a repairman for several years, we'd call it broke if it didnt do what we want.
[11:05] <nalioth> Squee-D: #ubuntu-offtopic please with this discussion
[11:05] <lightbright> Squee-D: im asking you where you got that defination from?  from a well respected IT professional literay or source?  Or is that your "own" defination?
[11:06] <Squee-D> nal id agree but i dont think i'll give it more wind
[11:06] <lightbright> nalioth: ok
[11:06] <DA_MELKMAN> nalioth, thanks, but the problem is that I can't install bum because I can't reach command line or graphical interface.. is there not a button to goto command line interface automatically when booting?
[11:06] <lightbright> Squee-D: lets keep the body air out of this ;) heh
[11:06] <crimsun> mallox: np
[11:06] <nalioth> DA_MELKMAN: i'm not sure how to do that
[11:06] <hyperactivecrond> !ntfs
[11:06] <ubotflu> extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:07] <hyperactivecrond> what's with the flu?
[11:07] <crimsun> action09: nothing new goes into Hoary except for security fixes
[11:07] <cafuego> hyperactivecrond: Backup bot
[11:07] <action09> crimsun hmm yes  even nvidia drivers ?
[11:07] <crimsun> thanks, cafuego
[11:07] <crimsun> action09: nothing new.
[11:07] <DA_MELKMAN> like, windows has F6 button to boot to safe mode when you set a resolotion your monitor can't display or something like that... is there nothing like that for linux? else I'll have to re-install :(
[11:07] <action09> crimsun  ok thx :)
[11:08] <lightbright> Squee-D Yes the more accurate definatio of 'broken' found in many IT professional literary and documentation is meaning it doesnt work as a whole!  Because the MAIN objective with a monitor is to DISPLAY, and if its still displaying its NOT broken
[11:08] <lightbright> oops sorry that was provate
[11:08] <lightbright> private
[11:08] <lightbright> cafuego: wb :)
[11:08] <jbroome> DA_MELKMAN: F8 for safe mode. :)
[11:08] <DA_MELKMAN> jbroome, thx!
[11:09] <nalioth> lightbright: Squee-D #ubuntu-offtopic please.
[11:09] <mallox> crimsun: in spite of thank you very much ;-)
[11:09] <mwe> DA_MELKMAN: hey that was just a correction. wont work for ubuntu
[11:09] <thegladiator> my evince doesnt work
[11:09] <lightbright> nalioth: ok
[11:09] <thegladiator> it was working but suddenly stopped working
[11:11] <thegladiator> i am trying a complete removal of evince and reinstallation
[11:11] <thegladiator> can someone help me ?
[11:12] <thegladiator> evince is not working
[11:12] <Kuyaedz> thegladiator: do you need help with uninstallation & re-installation?
[11:12] <thegladiator> nope i did that
[11:12] <thegladiator> reinstalled as well . thanks
[11:12] <thegladiator> but still not working
[11:12] <lillpelle> maybe your .gnome2/evince directory is messed up
[11:12] <Kuyaedz> thegladiator: what is 'not working'? just doesn't start, doesn't open files correctly?
[11:12] <lillpelle> did evince work before?
[11:12] <bulio> is Ubuntu quite secure for a home user?
[11:12] <thegladiator> doesnt start
[11:13] <thegladiator> yeah evince was working fine
[11:13] <bulio> or is security recommened
[11:13] <thegladiator> suddenly it started to say some error
[11:13] <Kuyaedz> bulio: it should be secure by default
[11:13] <Kuyaedz> bulio: ...compared to the alternatives much more secure
[11:13] <bulio> so I don't need any other stuff
[11:13] <thegladiator> The Application "evince" has quit unexpectedly.
[11:13] <thegladiator> You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.
[11:13] <Kuyaedz> bulio: you dont need spyware protection or antivirus, no
[11:13] <thegladiator> and when i click restart it doesnt
[11:13] <bulio> I come from unsecure windows ME hehe
[11:13] <bulio> worst hting on the planet
[11:13] <bulio> I know, no spyware
[11:13] <Kuyaedz> bulio: ME was the worst OS ever--worse than DOS :)
[11:13] <bulio> visited some shady sites to laugh ;)
[11:14] <bulio> I know
[11:14] <lillpelle> thegladiator: Try to remove the .gnome2/evince catalog
[11:14] <mallox> have a nice time to all ubuntu peoples.. ;-)
[11:14] <bulio> I finally got a PC that runs linux
[11:14] <Kuyaedz> bulio: you should be fine w/o any additional programs
[11:14] <bulio> the one upstairs has ME on it
[11:14] <thegladiator> lemme try thar
[11:14] <bulio> ill never use it again heh
[11:14] <Kuyaedz> bulio: if you really want, however, you can install firestarter for firewall protection.
[11:14] <fweih> do you know any gui software in linux like flashget, getzilla, free download manger or any file download manger?
[11:14] <Ophiocus> in x-chat client, is there anyway to actually edit manually which individual servers form a given network i can connect to? my client currently waists more than a minute trying to connect to an unexisting ip before trying another one
[11:14] <bulio> I have a router
[11:14] <bulio> safe enough?
[11:15] <Kuyaedz> bulio: safe enough
[11:15] <bulio> k
[11:15] <mwe> bulio: I have a dedicated gaming pc with only windows xp as os on it. but I tend to use my ubuntu laptop much more
[11:16] <thegladiator> lillpelle,  is it this folder? /home/thegladiator/.gnome2/evince ?
[11:16] <thegladiator> it has a XML file in it
[11:16] <thegladiator> and nothing else
[11:16] <lillpelle> thegladiator: yes that is the folder I meant... try to rename it to something and then try to start evince
[11:16] <dooglus> Ophiocus: you can, yes
[11:17] <Ophiocus> neat, i wouldnt mind some spoon feeding
[11:17] <thegladiator> lillpelle, no luck it still remains
[11:17] <lillpelle> ok :(
[11:17] <ELpH95o> hellooo
[11:17] <thegladiator> The Application "evince" has quit unexpectedly.
[11:17] <thegladiator> You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.
[11:17] <Kuyaedz> thegladiator: kinda basic question, but have you rebooted?
[11:17] <thegladiator> i need evince badly
[11:17] <ELpH95o> i'm a ubuntu newb it's not a bad os
[11:18] <thegladiator> nope
[11:18] <lillpelle> thegladiator: you try with different docs?
[11:18] <thegladiator> i logged out
[11:18] <ELpH95o> it's like debian with suse mixed up
[11:18] <thegladiator> of X and came back in
[11:18] <Kuyaedz> thegladiator: try a reboot & also try different docs. let us know
[11:18] <thegladiator> yeah with different docs
[11:18] <ELpH95o> yup
[11:18] <thegladiator> yes brb
[11:18] <Ophiocus> great, i ll find out then, thanks
[11:18] <ELpH95o> get this..debian is supposedly not easy but fedora wouldnt detect my es1371
[11:19] <dooglus> Ophiocus: select 'server list' from the xchat menu, click the network name, then 'edit' and remove the rogue host
[11:19] <ELpH95o> ubuntu automaticallly di
[11:19] <DRK13> unf unf
[11:19] <ELpH95o> with no work
[11:19] <ELpH95o> there are bugs though but that wil get fixed soon
[11:19] <rosen> dooglus !
[11:19] <Ophiocus> thats not what i wanted
[11:19] <dooglus> Ophiocus: please excuse my slowness.  i'm typing one-handed
[11:19] <dooglus> rosen! :)
[11:19] <Ophiocus> i ll come back here when i find what i want
[11:20] <rosen> dooglus, I'll look you up a little later... you may need two hands for the problem I'm having ;) The ones I've tried to get to help me have given up :O
[11:21] <dooglus> Ophiocus: it may be that your client only knows 'irc.freenode.net', and that has multiple real addresses.  you can remove irc.freenode.net and add real addresses
[11:21] <Ophiocus> see that panel only shows network dns s , am talking about actual ips
[11:21] <Ophiocus> bingo
[11:21] <ELpH95o> I'm going to join the Ubuntu commjunity and contribute some of my time towards it
[11:21] <Kuyaedz> ELpH95o: great :)
[11:21] <dooglus> rosen: what's up?  the other hand can be retrieved with a little effort
[11:22] <Ophiocus> then again, the network am joining must have some kind of address list, i will try to find that and how to evade x-chats automated server selection
[11:22] <thegladiator> lillpelle, Kuyaedz , yes it does work after restart
[11:22] <lillpelle> great
[11:22] <thegladiator> thnkas for the help
[11:22] <Kuyaedz> thegladiator: perfect.  Not sure what would cause it but my system will act funny sometimes too.  reboots help (??)
[11:23] <dooglus> Ophiocus: when you connect, it
[11:23] <thegladiator> ah ok . reboot helps
[11:23] <dooglus> Ophiocus: will tell you the real host name, like kornbluth.freenode.net for instance
[11:23] <jroes> hiya guys, it's unclear where I need to go to upgrade after searching Ubuntulinux.org, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[11:23] <dooglus> Ophiocus: the list is held server-side
[11:24] <Kuyaedz> jroes: upgrade to?
[11:24] <yo2lux> hi
[11:24] <rosen> dooglus, when I try to download files from another computer on our LAN network most of the times it will stop when it reaches 100% and never actually 'complete' the download
[11:24] <Ophiocus> am more into finding a way to automate the /server [ip] [port]  call at startup so i can choose which actual machine i use
[11:24] <jroes> to the latest, from the previous version
[11:24] <jroes> I don't remember the names, they all sound so similar :)
[11:24] <Ophiocus> i supose i can script it
[11:24] <dooglus> rosen: what are you using?
[11:24] <Ophiocus> thank
[11:24] <yo2lux> i have a question
[11:24] <bimberi> !breezy
[11:24] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:24] <Ophiocus> btw why one handed, you nursing while working like me?
[11:24] <Ophiocus> :D
[11:24] <jroes> thankyou very much
[11:24] <Kuyaedz> jroes: yeah, what ubotu said :)
[11:24] <bimberi> jroes: ^^^
[11:25] <yo2lux> Ubuntu go to commercial way in future?
[11:25] <rosen> dooglus, I mounted his shared folder and I tried drag-drop and copy-paste .. I'm not sure how to do anything else to be honest
[11:25] <dooglus> Ophiocus: do like I said.  edit the host in the network definition in xchat
[11:25] <cafuego> yo2lux: No, never.
[11:25] <yo2lux> Canonical not want to build an enterprise OS?
[11:25] <Ophiocus> so deleting the actual network name allows me to replace it with my server of choice?
[11:25] <dooglus> rosen: I've never seen that.  it's a windows share?
[11:26] <cafuego> yo2lux: That's what Debian is for :-)
[11:26] <cafuego> yo2lux: I quote: Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition".
[11:26] <thegladiator> whats the worldwide estimate of ubuntu users ?
[11:26] <dooglus> Ophiocus: no, edit the network, then edit the hostname
[11:26] <dooglus> thegladiator: 31.5
[11:26] <yo2lux> ok guys thanks!
[11:26] <thegladiator> 31.5 million ?
[11:26] <rosen> dooglus, yeah I found his folder using his hostname (or IP) and the windows share protocol
[11:26] <dooglus> no, 31.5
[11:27] <BenUrban> http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html
[11:27] <BenUrban> any ideas?
[11:27] <ELpH95o> damn 31.5. million including developers?
[11:27] <ELpH95o> is ubuntu good for development?
[11:27] <thegladiator> 3 million users ?
[11:27] <thegladiator> yeah ubuntu is as good as any other lin for development
[11:27] <ELpH95o> I want to join the ubuntu project
[11:27] <Ophiocus> i ll do that will report on findings
[11:27] <BenUrban> thegladiator: as good as gentoo?
[11:27] <ELpH95o> bvy contributing art and music
[11:28] <ELpH95o> i say we could include some demoscene like tracker music on installation
[11:28] <cmatheson> BenUrban: why would gentoo be any better for development?
[11:28] <BenUrban> cmatheson: it's a source based distro
[11:28] <thegladiator> BenUrban, gentoo is good for new linux users i wud say
[11:28] <BenUrban> ...
[11:28] <dooglus> it depends what you're developing.  it's not the best os for developing windows games for instance
[11:28] <cmatheson> BenUrban: i'm aware of that... i still don't see how that's going to help me develop stuff
[11:28] <thegladiator> best distro for newbies as far as i know is xandros
[11:28] <jroes> BenUrban, ELpH95o: those are very generic and subjective questions.  get specific.  are you looking for a tool that's available on one and not the other?
[11:28] <thegladiator> xandros does have gcc etc though
[11:28] <ELpH95o> mostly just assemblers
[11:29] <ELpH95o> my needs are simple lol
[11:29] <dooglus> everything has gcc
[11:29] <cafuego> ELpH95o: Why not sound themes and gui themes? :-)
[11:29] <thegladiator> but a very good alternative for windows suers to make a switch to  linux
[11:29] <ELpH95o> i have the perfect linux hardware box
[11:29] <BenUrban> every linux distro worth the download has gcc
[11:29] <ELpH95o> a friend built it for me.the only thing it sucks is i hate acpi/apm technology
[11:29] <thegladiator> xandros doesnt have gcc
[11:29] <ELpH95o> xandros doesnt have gcc
[11:29] <dooglus> thegladiator: sure it does
[11:29] <BenUrban> then xandros isn't worth the download
[11:29] <ELpH95o> but it's available right?
[11:29] <cafuego> Normal end users don't NEED a compiler.
[11:29] <ELpH95o> i dont use C
[11:29] <thegladiator> does it ? the oe i had didnt
[11:29] <ELpH95o> i use alot ofcompilers
[11:29] <thegladiator> one*
[11:29] <jroes> ELpH95o: you can disable ACPI/APM from most modern BIOS configuration utilities
[11:30] <Kuyaedz> can anyone point me to a non-gui torrent client?
[11:30] <BenUrban> ElBarono: gcc is for *any* compilation
[11:30] <ELpH95o> my bios is old p4 bios
[11:30] <cafuego> Ubuntu also doesn't install a compiler by default.
[11:30] <yatesy> bittorrent? :P
[11:30] <Lefungus> Kuyaedz, rtorrent
[11:30] <thegladiator> or perhaps i might have made a miostake
[11:30] <dooglus> 'bittorrent', Kuyaedz
[11:30] <jroes> ELpH95o: pretty much the same development tools are going to be available on every Linux distribution
[11:30] <ELpH95o> its a intel d850 board..(friend built it for me so i cant complain)
[11:30] <ELpH95o> that's good to know..brb.i instaled a new kernel hehe
[11:30] <Kuyaedz> bittorrent or rtorrent will run on a server install?
[11:30] <jroes> ELpH95o: you can always compile the tools from source if there aren't any packages
[11:30] <ELpH95o> that's true
[11:30] <BenUrban> no it's not
[11:30] <BenUrban> lol
[11:31] <BenUrban> how do you compile a compiler without a compiler?
[11:31] <dooglus> Kuyaedz: bittorrent will.  never heard of rtorrent so can't say
[11:31] <ELpH95o> i did a server install
[11:31] <Kuyaedz> dooglus: thanks
[11:31] <gimmulf_> best torrent gui client?
[11:31] <[klined] > what are some good wireless utilties that have win32 ports as well?
[11:31] <gimmulf_> !torrent
[11:31] <dooglus> gimmulf_: bitcomet is best i've found.  windows only though :(
[11:31] <ubotu> gimmulf_: Are you smoking crack?
[11:31] <jroes> BenUrban: show me a distribution that doesn't have a package for *cc or doesn't come with it already installed.
[11:31] <gimmulf_> !bittorrent
[11:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, bittorrent is at <reply> The BitTorrent FAQ is available at: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[11:31] <thegladiator> i like azureues bit torrent client Kuyaedz
[11:31] <Squee-D> gimmulf_ azureus
[11:32] <mwe> what the heck kinda crappy distro is xandros to not provide gcc anyway?
[11:32] <BenUrban> jroes: damn small linux, i think
[11:32] <yatesy> i think you just answered that one mwe :)
[11:32] <dooglus> azureus is what i use in ubuntu, but it's too memory hungry
[11:32] <thegladiator> its java based program , but azureus is pretty easy and powerful
[11:32] <yatesy> its java of course its memory hungry
[11:32] <rosen> Kuyaedz, I'm fairly sure that bittornado is a terminal only program untill you add the UI from synaptic (or apt-get or whatever)
[11:32] <LazyAce`> in command prompt, how do i get it to read files off of the desktop?
[11:32] <jroes> BenUrban: Damn Small Linux has tcc
[11:32] <thegladiator> Kuyaedz, try out azureues
[11:33] <dooglus> LazyAce`: what 'it'?
[11:33] <jroes> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/notes.html -- see notes "Corrected bug with tcc."
[11:33] <BenUrban> jroes: heh, i wouldn't know
[11:33] <jroes> BenUrban: you're fighting an uphill battle :)
[11:33] <BenUrban> jroes: but that's beside the point
[11:33] <jroes> no, you were already beside the point, that's the point.
[11:33] <LazyAce`> dooglus, right now my prompt is derek@Stewie:~$ how do i get it to desktop ?
[11:33] <BenUrban> jroes: my point was that if there were any, it wouldn't be worth the download
[11:33] <dooglus> LazyAce`: cd Desktop
[11:34] <cafuego> Gogo Gadget Nalioth!
[11:34] <BenUrban> http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html <-- any ideas?
[11:34] <LazyAce`> dooglus: says no such file or directory
[11:34] <gnomefreak> lazy use a cap D
[11:34] <dooglus> LazyAce`: capital D?
[11:34] <butcherbird> LazyAce`, the ls command should show a Desktop directoy type cd Desktop to change dir to it it is case sensitive
[11:34] <LazyAce`> thank you gnomefreak
[11:35] <LazyAce`> no, i just didn't know =\
[11:35] <LazyAce`> new to this
[11:35] <cafuego> BenUrban: With a CamelCase nick? Not likely.
[11:35] <dooglus> or even copy and paste!
[11:35] <BenUrban> heh
[11:35] <gnomefreak> yw but dooglus typed it how it should have beeen typed :)
[11:35] <yatesy> LazyAce`: rubbish, they told you Desktop :P
[11:35] <LazyAce`> haha, my bad
[11:35] <LazyAce`> i forgot about cap sensitive :(
[11:35] <cafuego> sorry, camel_case :-P
[11:35] <thegladiator> i wud like to install a IDE which one do you recommend ?
[11:36] <thegladiator> anjuta/kde/other ?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> you dont find alot of things in terminal that are case sesnitive but cd'ing to a dir is
[11:36] <dooglus> windows trains people to ignore case I think
[11:36] <gnomefreak> anjuta
[11:36] <StR34k> Has anyone done any work with mpi here?
[11:36] <cafuego> nalioth: Can ya ban <IP_ADDRESS> too? (spambots)
[11:36] <LazyAce`> yes it does :(
[11:36] <dooglus> gnomefreak: everything in Linus is, isn't it?
[11:36] <StR34k> well mpi_ch
[11:36] <LazyAce`> i hate windows, so im trying to move onto something better
[11:36] <BenUrban> gnomefreak: nearly everything in any linux terminal is case sensitive
[11:36] <yatesy> not just linux, UNIX in general
[11:37] <dooglus> gnomefreak: try running LS for instance...
[11:37] <BenUrban> yatesy: osx
[11:37] <gnomefreak> dooglus not really that i have seen but ive never used caps in terminal other than to cd
[11:37] <BenUrban> actually it depends on the filesystem
[11:37] <cafuego> nalioth: cheers
[11:37] <yatesy> osx what?
[11:37] <nalioth> cafuego: now how long is that gonna last, eh?
[11:37] <BenUrban> hfs/hfs+ are case insensitive
[11:37] <thegladiator> can someone advice a IDE ?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> ok dooglus good point :(
[11:37] <cafuego> nalioth: At least 20minutes of non-join-quit goodness.
[11:37] <butcherbird> thegladiator, what for?
[11:38] <dooglus> gnomefreak: that's because most commands, flags and filenames are lower-case.  doesn't mean they're case-insensitive though
[11:38] <gnomefreak> thegladiator, anjuta but that should really be taken off-topic for it may cause a flame :(
[11:38] <BenUrban> gnomefreak: iNt mAiN(vOiD) { ...
[11:38] <yatesy> BenUrban: thats dodgy :/
[11:38] <BenUrban> :P
[11:38] <thegladiator> mostly python/perl/c++ programming
[11:38] <BenUrban> thegladiator: gedit :D
[11:39] <gnomefreak> BenUrban,  that looks more like a start to a C code
[11:39] <BenUrban> gnomefreak: it looks like something that won't compile
[11:39] <thegladiator> just wanna try a IDE
[11:39] <BenUrban> because it's got the wrong case
[11:39] <BenUrban> thegladiator: anjuta doesn't do python or perl
[11:39] <anatole> any tips on why i get a kernel panic when booting from ubuntu installer cd with "boot: linux root=/dev/hdb2"? (hdb2 is my root partition)
[11:39] <BenUrban> kdevelop probably does though
[11:39] <Hentai^XP> gnomefreak: you crazy unix setup is case sentsive, drives me nuts
[11:39] <gnomefreak> BenUrban,  but that wont compile cause in C you cant type it that way so more than liikely it will give you all kinds of errror
[11:40] <BenUrban> gnomefreak: my point is that C is case sensitive too
[11:40] <BenUrban> and so is c
[11:40] <BenUrban> :P
[11:40] <thegladiator> i see anjuta is for c++
[11:40] <yatesy> haha
[11:40] <thegladiator> ok
[11:40] <yatesy> Hentai^XP: go back to windows then :P
[11:40] <BenUrban> yatesy: he is on windows
[11:41] <gnomefreak> thegladiator, anjuta does about 6 languages same with kdevelop kdevelop maybe a few more i havent looked at in in a while
[11:41] <yatesy> he could have a unix server for all i know :)
[11:41] <thegladiator> anjuta supports pyhton and perl ?
[11:41] <BenUrban> gnomefreak: i thought anjuta was the one that only did c, c++, and java
[11:41] <gnomefreak> no BenUrban
[11:41] <markive> anyone have no sound in planetpenguin racer? i got sound everywhere else. :(
[11:41] <gnomefreak> hold on let me open it
[11:42] <dooglus> BenUrban: you do realise that's valid C code, don't you?
[11:42] <Hentai^XP> yatesy: I live windows here
[11:42] <BenUrban> dooglus: it's valid but it won't compile as-is
[11:42] <thegladiator> Hentai^XP, good
[11:42] <dooglus> BenUrban: you have to define the iNt type, but other than that it's OK.
[11:42] <Kuyaedz> I've got bittorrent installed (via apt) but it running 'bittorrent' replies command not found.  suggestions?
[11:42] <BenUrban> dooglus: that's my point
[11:42] <dooglus> BenUrban: like this, for instance: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5798
[11:42] <BenUrban> lol
[11:42] <BenUrban> i know
[11:42] <Hentai^XP> thegladiator ?
[11:42] <thegladiator> gnomefreak, it works ?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> anjuta does C/C++ C# perl python java shell and header files and theses another one it says other
[11:43] <QMario> Hello Seveas!!! :)
[11:43] <thegladiator> nice
[11:43] <thegladiator> lemme install
[11:43] <thegladiator> Hentai^XP, why dont u change to linux ?
[11:43] <QMario> Gnomefreak, C#. Hee he hee!!! ;)
[11:43] <dooglus> rosen: I've got my other hand back now.  But I'm still unable to help you, I think.
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i use pythoncard for python but its not installed at this moment
[11:43] <dooglus> rosen: I've never see windows share mounts now work properly.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:44] <dooglus> rosen: sometimes there's a problem if the files are bigger than 2Gb in size.  could that be it?
[11:44] <markive> anyone? i got no sound in planet penguin racer, any know anything about it?
[11:44] <mp3guy> my DVD drive has been acting really bent lately, it won't burn dvds, and has trouble reading some cds/dvds. Also, i might be watching a DVD, and it would randomly just bomb out, or won't let me skip to a certain part of the disc, any ideas?
[11:44] <Hentai^XP> thegladiator: there is no reason to mainly
[11:44] <cafuego> dooglus: Should only be on fat32
[11:44] <thegladiator> Hentai^XP, home user ?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> thats one language i havent tried cause people say its nothing like C/C++
[11:44] <Hentai^XP> thegladiator: ?
[11:44] <dooglus> cafuego: no, it happens with any 'smbfs' share
[11:44] <thegladiator> Hentai^XP, if you are home user without much developing works...then stick on to windows xp
[11:44] <dooglus> cafuego: if you want bigger than 2Gb you have to use CIFS
[11:44] <cafuego> dooglus: Oh that way around...
[11:44] <rosen> dooglus, nah the one I ened the most is just a 400mb *.iso
[11:45] <cafuego> dooglus: I have no issues accessing/moving huge files from Linux samba -> windows client
[11:45] <Hentai^XP> thegladiator: um yeah
[11:45] <cafuego> (tested up to 13GB)
[11:45] <dooglus> cafuego: I guess you're using CIFS then, not SMB
[11:45] <BenUrban> Hentai^XP: come back when you get sick of windows
[11:45] <mp3guy> any ideas?
[11:45] <BenUrban> ;)
[11:45] <cafuego> dooglus: No, that was using smb, about  ayear ago.
[11:46] <BenUrban> http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html <-- any ideas?
[11:46] <thegladiator> i wonder if the installation deb packages can be stored somewhere in case the system crashes or something
[11:46] <rosen> I didnt have before but all of a sudden out of nowhere it came ... and having installed this whole box in two days (and being a complete newb) I have no idea where to start... It's not my firewall that's for sure
[11:46] <Hentai^XP> BenUrban: I haven't got sick of windows for a while like in 2k2-3 tried some mandrake and others but meh
[11:46] <ubunt-newbie-s> hi i just install ubuntu how do i install perl or gcc and other unix buildigs
[11:46] <thegladiator> so that one could avoid the routine installation for the re-install
[11:46] <BenUrban> Hentai^XP: you will, eventually :P
[11:46] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, its there
[11:46] <Hentai^XP> BenUrban: and whys that?
[11:46] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, go to shell and hit perl
[11:47] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, or type gcc
[11:47] <gnomefreak> i want a perl button :( lol
[11:47] <ubunt-newbie-s> so i dont need to install antying
[11:47] <thegladiator> he he
[11:47] <dooglus> cafuego: I just tried googling for it.  didn't find it yet, but did find a page claiming that ext3 file systems have a maximum file size of 2Gb.  is that true?
[11:47] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, exactly
[11:47] <ubunt-newbie-s>  gcc
[11:47] <ubunt-newbie-s> bash: gcc: command not found
[11:47] <ubunt-newbie-s> ?
[11:47] <jroes> if they aren't installed, you can try "apt-get install perl" or "apt-get install gcc"
[11:47] <dsas> ubunt-newbie-s, install build-essential to get development tools, such as c compiler
[11:47] <IcemanV9> i'm getting a free webcam (logitech quickcam pro 4000) from a friend; i wonder if it does work with ubuntu 5.10?? anyone?
[11:47] <cafuego> ubunt-newbie-s: You will need 'build-essential'
[11:47] <bimberi> ubunt-newbie-s: perl is installed by default, gcc isn't - install build-essential for that
[11:47] <BenUrban> ubunt-newbie-s: i think the package is called build-required or soemthing like that
[11:47] <BenUrban> ah
[11:47] <BenUrban> build-essential;
[11:47] <gnomefreak> ubunt-newbie-s, yes you need to install them if they dont run on command
[11:48] <gnomefreak> build-essential
[11:48] <ELpH95o> back
[11:48] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, normally it exists in most of the systems ; default installation
[11:48] <rosen> !uptime
[11:48] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, giev a try as root
[11:48] <BenUrban> thegladiator: gcc is not installed in the default ubuntu install
[11:48] <ELpH95o> i've not had any trouble with ubuntu..just different "feel" to it
[11:48] <cafuego> IcemanV9: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=logitech+quickcam+pro+4000+++Linux
[11:48] <BenUrban> http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html <-- any ideas?
[11:48] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, i see . i didint do nothing while installing but had gcc
[11:48] <Peaker> anyone else experiences firefox 1.0.7 as very unstable?  Crash every 15-20 minutes or worse?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> BenUrban,  doesnt gcc4.0 come as default in ubuntu?
[11:49] <ELpH95o> installing Kubuntu now
[11:49] <ELpH95o> wel kde
[11:49] <ELpH95o> :D
[11:49] <jroes> Peaker: you know 1.5 is out, right?
[11:49] <mwe> Peaker: no
[11:49] <Hentai^XP> BenUrban:  sorry but windows throws more interesting stuff at me to mess with
[11:49] <BenUrban> Peaker: look into the Session Saver extension
[11:49] <Peaker> jroe: apt-get didn't get it..
[11:49] <ubunt-newbie-s> ok how do i make my ubuntu uptdated
[11:49] <jroes> oh, maybe it's not in ubuntu
[11:49] <Peaker> BenUrban: I just got it - appearantly it wants me to explicitly save :-(
[11:49] <cafuego> Peaker: Works OK here. Does yours crash when you access flash websites?
[11:49] <Peaker> BenUrban: I kill -9'd to check and it didn't restore.. or does it use signal handlers to save?
[11:49] <ubunt-newbie-s> after installin ubuntu what do i need to setup a firewall or antivirus
[11:49] <IcemanV9> cafuego: ha. i used "ubuntu" instead of "linux"; got a very few results .. thanks. i'll check with "linux"
[11:49] <BenUrban> Peaker: it auto-saves i thin
[11:49] <BenUrban> k
[11:49] <thrice`> !firewall
[11:49] <ubotu> well, firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. see !firestarter
[11:50] <Peaker> cafuego: Not sure, maybe that's the trigger, but I think some flashes at least don't crash
[11:50] <mwe> Peaker: ff 1.5 not in the repos. and it wont be in breezy
[11:50] <jroes> !firestarter
[11:50] <ubotu> from memory, firestarter is Ubuntu has, like every other Linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is Firestarter, which can be installed via Breezy's "Add Applications" or Synaptic
[11:50] <cafuego> Peaker: I have this lovely "flash blocker' extension.. :-)
[11:50] <StR34k> has anyone here used ubuntu in clusters?
[11:50] <Peaker> mwe: Ah..
[11:50] <ubunt-newbie-s> what do i need to keep my system uptdated downloaed new kernel or
[11:50] <Peaker> cafuego: Too bad it lets plugin code crash it ... :-(
[11:50] <rosen> Any suggestions to an uptime counter I can put on my desktop ?
[11:50] <BenUrban> rosen: watch is your friend
[11:50] <thegladiator> !update
[11:50] <ubotu> thegladiator: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:50] <BenUrban> if you wanna use a terminal
[11:51] <thegladiator> !synaptic
[11:51] <ubotu> methinks synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:51] <mwe> rosen: gkrelm if you want eye candy
[11:51] <thegladiator> ubunt-newbie-s, check that synaptic link
[11:51] <cafuego> Peaker: yeah, too bad people thinks flash is useful in any way...
[11:51] <rosen> BenUrban, I dont ;)
[11:51] <thegladiator> it tells you about updating
[11:51] <rosen> mwe, I do !! :D
[11:51] <thegladiator> !application
[11:51] <ubotu> thegladiator: I don't know
[11:51] <Peaker> cafuego: well it does "work" well in its domain..
[11:51] <thegladiator> !apt-get
[11:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[11:51] <ubunt-newbie-s> yes i see that
[11:51] <BenUrban> !thegladiator
[11:51] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, BenUrban
[11:51] <Peaker> cafuego: better movie quality/compression ratio
[11:51] <ubunt-newbie-s> i want to updtated my system
[11:51] <thegladiator> see apt-get as well
[11:51] <Peaker> cafuego: for some types of movies, ofcourse
[11:52] <BenUrban> !thegladiator likes to bug ubotu
[11:52] <ubotu> BenUrban: What?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get upgrade updates it oh and dont forget that lil red dot in upper right hand corner of screen :( you cant miss it
[11:52] <thegladiator> those are the utlities that we use in ubuntu to update systems
[11:52] <Peaker> mwe, cafuego : Any idea if firefox has regression tests, or only manual tests?
[11:52] <lightbright> http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_faq.html
[11:52] <thegladiator> its not correct BenUrban ?
[11:52] <thegladiator> i am new out here
[11:52] <gabriel> hola
[11:53] <BenUrban> thegladiator: heh, i was trying to subtly hint that you were bugging ubotu an awful lot
[11:53] <thegladiator> nyways i am out
[11:53] <thegladiator> oh ok np
[11:53] <gnomefreak> !botsnack
[11:53] <ubotu> thanks gnomefreak :)
[11:53] <gnomefreak> ubotu your welcome
[11:53] <ubotu> gnomefreak: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:53] <korhalf> !botsmack
[11:53] <ubotu> korhalf: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:53] <thegladiator> lol gnomefreak he he
[11:53] <BenUrban> lmao
[11:54] <mwe> heh
[11:54] <gnomefreak> dont smack the bot :(
[11:54] <korhalf> he doesn't speak english, so it's okay
[11:54] <BenUrban> !korhalfsmack
[11:54] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, BenUrban
[11:54] <BenUrban> lmao
[11:54] <korhalf> lol
[11:54] <gnomefreak> we finally have him back :)
[11:54] <korhalf> !ubotu
[11:54] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[11:55] <korhalf> ahah
[11:55] <StR34k> lol
[11:55] <ELpH95o> i also use freebsd btw
[11:55] <cafuego> Ubotu is nederlands, doe er een beetje voorzichtig mee.
[11:55] <ubotu> cafuego: I don't know
[11:55] <mwe> gnomefreak: he seems to come and go all the time at the time lately
[11:56] <cafuego> !lart ubotu
[11:56] <gnomefreak> my first month into linux i made mistake of installing freebsd and couldnt figure out how to get gui so same night uninstalled it :(
[11:56] <BenUrban> lol
[11:56] <ELpH95o> what part of the universe you guys in?
[11:57] <ELpH95o> I'm on Earth ..to be specific. usa
[11:57] <StR34k> I'm in Canada :>
[11:57] <bimberi> didn't Douglas Adams call it the "unfashionable corner"?
[11:57] <ELpH95o> awesome
[11:57] <korhalf> ELpH95o: Canada :)
[11:57] <ELpH95o> :)
[11:57] <BenUrban> lol
[11:57] <BenUrban> yes he did
[11:57] <ELpH95o> my friendes :)
[11:57] <ELpH95o> i love canada too
[11:57] <StR34k> Nice :>
[11:57] <StR34k> hehe
[11:57] <korhalf> who said i loved canada
[11:57] <korhalf> i live here, but i dont love it
[11:57] <korhalf> Vote Harper !
[11:57] <ELpH95o> lol
[11:57] <StR34k> I love canada
[11:57] <BenUrban> lmao
[11:57] <StR34k> it's beautiful
[11:57] <ELpH95o> usa has beautiful parts
[11:58] <Kuyaedz> isntalled bittorrent on my server install but it seems to be a service for hosting .torrents.  Is there a client version for non-gui?
[11:58] <ELpH95o> the beuatiful parts are too strict
[11:58] <ELpH95o> utah
[11:58] <xkahn> Peaker: apparently, there are people who think Linus's opinion on desktops is important, and those who don't.
[11:58] <xkahn> Peaker: but he pointed out some interesting points.
[11:58] <yatesy> wierd
[11:58] <jroes> hmm, here's an interesting question.  is it possible to get Multi-User X set up?
[11:58] <Kuyaedz> ELpH95o: i'm in utah & its not so bad :)
[11:58] <BenUrban> jroes: possible?
[11:58] <BenUrban> you mean already done
[11:58] <Peaker> xkahn: His mail was a few sentences long, wasn't it?
[11:58] <xkahn> Peaker: and showed the GNOME developers that outside impressions matter at least a little.
[11:58] <jroes> well, yeah, 'm sure it's possible :)
[11:59] <jroes> just don't know if it goes by a particular name, or what
[11:59] <hyphenated> gnomefreak: when i move in with my girlfriend, I'll want it to be a 3-bdrm house. master bedroom, and a kinda 'personal space' room each
[11:59] <ELpH95o> you know that coffee-howto?
[11:59] <Peaker> xkahn: Yeah.. The weird thing is all the responses about how "KDE looks so ugly by default" and gnome doesn't puzzle me, as I find the default looks exactly the other way around. I think its a European vs. USA thing
[11:59] <ELpH95o> i want to see if linux can make lsd
[11:59] <ELpH95o> lol'
[11:59] <jroes> I would be very surprised if it's not some quick switch to flip, but I have no idea what it would be called
[11:59] <jroes> or where to look
[11:59] <zandaa> can anyone help me with my TV Tuner?
[11:59] <korhalf> ELpH95o: theres a coffee howto?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> hyphenated,  good idea but ive lived alone so long its just really hard to even think about having a rooommate
[12:00] <BenUrban> jroes: it's already enabled