[00:00] <k1l_> votlon: then "sudo restart lightdm"
[00:00] <erikk> Okay, that's all I wanted to know
[00:00] <votlon> k1l_: my cnt + alt + f1 / f2 / f4 make my screen go black and not go back :/
[00:00] <votlon> k1l_: when i do cnt + alt + f7 is restores the screen
[00:01] <k1l_> votlon: so no working tty for you? you could try the recovery or a live system and delete that file in the users home
[00:02] <votlon> im logged into my user right now, i can only log into it if i choose my i3wm desktop
[00:02] <votlon> but what config file would i delete in my home to reset lightdm?
[00:03] <k1l_> votlon: oh ok. then start a terminal and see who the owner of that file is
[00:03] <votlon> k1l_: what file name am i lookin for?
[00:03] <k1l_> .Xauthority, like i said above
[00:04] <votlon> k1l_: oh my bad i must have missed it
[00:04] <votlon> its owned by my user d-rw --- --- votlon:votlon
[00:05] <k1l_> d? its not a directory
[00:05] <votlon> oh my bad my fonts too small in my terminal xD
[00:05] <votlon> its just -rw- --- ---
[00:05] <k1l_> hmm ok.
[00:05] <k1l_> that would have been a easy solution.
[00:06] <votlon> i did have an issue earlier where it was owned by root
[00:06] <votlon> cuz i ran sudo startx like a nub
[00:06] <k1l_> well yes, startx is bad
[00:06] <momoterr> everytime i kill that process it spawns a new one under a different name
[00:06] <momoterr> k1l_, I cant see what is iniside that file
[00:06] <k1l_> are other things owned by root?
[00:06] <momoterr> if i do cat the binary
[00:06] <momoterr> the console is frozen
[00:07] <k1l_> votlon: usually .gvfs is the only thing owned by root
[00:07] <votlon> k1l_: owned by root: .dbus .gcfs .ICeauthority .viminfo .wireshark
[00:08] <k1l_> votlon: well, .ICEau.. and .dbus should be owned by user user too and might be the issue here
[00:08] <OerHeks> momoterr, i think it is time to resore a backup.
[00:09] <k1l_> maybe need to -r on the .dbus folder
[00:09] <votlon> k1l_: do i need to -r the .dbus as well?
[00:10] <k1l_> votlon: yes
[00:11] <votlon> k1l_: kk let me see if it worked
[00:12] <vice> Hey, I have three machines running ubuntu 14 and am trying to figure out the best way to "manage" - e.g. x, vnc, etc. Anyone able to point me toward a good tool / reference?
[00:14] <votlon> darn it didnt work :/
[00:14] <bekks> votlon: "ssh".
[00:15] <django> Can I have multiple up commands on the same interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
[00:15] <votlon> bekks: wait what?
[00:15] <k1l_> votlon: see .xsession-errors in the home
[00:15] <bekks> !ssh | votlon
[00:15] <bekks> Excuse me, I tabfailed again :)
[00:15] <votlon> bekks: what about ssh?
[00:16] <bekks> !ssh | vice
[00:16] <vice> I'm not sure if I'm on the right course with xvnc, but I'm trying to run two of the three "headless" I guess.
[00:16] <bekks> votlon: I'm sorry, just ignore my post :)
[00:16] <bekks> vice: Then you do want ssh.
[00:16] <votlon> oh okay lawls i was like :3
[00:16] <votlon> k1l_: kk ill pastebin it for u
[00:16] <vice> I'm looking at GUI control
[00:19] <votlon> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/QZYEC8Ae
[00:19] <k1l_> votlon: who is the owner of the folders in /home/ ?
[00:20] <Roots47> can multiple keys live in your authorized_keys file?
[00:21] <votlon> k1l_: two users and each owned by there own user
[00:21] <votlon> k1l_: home is owned by root but i thought that was normal ;3
[00:21] <k1l_> and in the users home its still everything besides .gvfs is owned by the user? and inside .dbus, too?
[00:22] <k1l_> votlon: that is fine. just the user folders need to be owned by user
[00:24] <votlon> k1l_: yeah everything is owned by the users
[00:24] <votlon> .dmrc only has the i3 session inside could that matter?
[00:26] <votlon> The .ICEauthority is owned by the user in the other home directory
[00:26] <votlon> In mine its owned by root
[00:26] <votlon> y again
[00:26] <votlon> k1l_: think im gonna change that and try again
[00:27] <k1l_> votlon: yes, imho that is a "someting is owned by root so the desktop cant create the stuff it needs" issue.
[00:30] <votlon> Yeah the iceauth file was it
[00:30] <k1l_> votlon: good, thought you already chowned that back
[00:31] <k1l_> but i go sleeping now. bb
[00:31] <votlon> k1l_: thx for u help
[00:34] <jasonkuhrt> Hi, If I edit a "service" in /etc/init.d/foobar
[00:34] <jasonkuhrt> Do I need to do anything before start/stop ing it
[00:34] <jasonkuhrt> ?
[00:36] <potato_farmer> jasonkuhrt: Not sure what you mean. You should be able to just stop and start it.
[00:36] <jasonkuhrt> potato_farmer: That answers my question, thanks
[00:41] <Guest9812> I'm looking for help on Ubuntu as router
[00:41] <votlon> Guest9812: why ubuntu if i may ask?
[00:41] <Guest9812> I used Ubuntu because I'm familiar with it.
[00:42] <Guest9812> I set up a physical machine with Ubuntu 14.04 as router then ported it to a virtual machine that I'm running in virtualbox.  Everything works except that one of my computers is unable to connect to Netflix.
[00:43] <Guest9812> all other computers can connect but on that one computer, which was connected when I had a physical machine and also can connect using a different network
[00:43] <daftykins> so compare settings, adjust - job done
[00:43] <Guest9812> the one computer can't even ping netflix
[00:43] <daftykins> bad DNS
[00:44] <votlon> ^
[00:44] <daftykins> try "dig netflix.com" or whatever and see if it resolves
[00:44] <Guest9812> why would dns be bad when going through the VM router but not when going through a different physical network
[00:44] <daftykins> don't question it, just do it
[00:44] <Guest9812> i'll try that
[00:45] <votlon> lawls
[00:45] <daftykins> commands to diagnose the problem are going to help you arrive at a solution a million times faster than scratching your head and debating the meaning of life :)
[00:46] <kreig> is there a forum post on how to remove this unity?
[00:46] <Ben64> !nounity
[00:46] <Guest9812> okay, i'll give it a try
[00:46] <Ben64> hmm, should update that trigger
[00:46] <daftykins> Ben64: know someone who does it? i approached -ops with 5+ edits a bit ago and every one got ignored.
[00:46] <kreig> thank you Ben64
[00:47] <Ben64> daftykins: you can do it with !blah is <definition>
[00:47] <daftykins> i would think you have to be an authorised user for that
[00:47] <Ben64> well it goes to be reviewed iirc
[00:47] <daftykins> ah right
[00:48] <daftykins> my main one was creating !amd since they haven't been called !ati for years
[00:48] <daftykins> anywho, i'm off topic ^_^
[00:48] <votlon> Burn the people off topic at the stake!
[00:48] <Guest9812> doesn't seem to be dns because dig netflix.com returned info but i still can't ping an address for netflix or connect with that computer yet other computers on the network can connect
[00:49] <Guest9812> and no more meaning of life questions, i promise
[00:49] <daftykins> then you maybe don't have a default gateway configured correctly
[00:49] <daftykins> compare "ip route" with your other systems
[00:49] <daftykins> votlon: oh i do, i do
[00:49] <Guest9812> i can access other websites with the computer; comparing ...
[00:50] <daftykins> ok, that suggests a gateway is correct to at least let those function.
[00:50] <daftykins> are the dig outputs the same?
[00:50] <Guest9812> yes
[00:52] <votlon> Guest9812: can u ping netflix or did u say no?
[00:52] <votlon> mah page up isnt working lawls
[00:52] <votlon> more stuff to fix Kappa
[00:53] <done> thats weird, ubuntu erased my nvidia-304 and go back alone to intel graphics, needed to reinstall nvidia-304 (alright)
[00:54] <daftykins> Guest9812: if i'm honest it's tough for me to help diagnose something when i've never once used the service
[00:54] <daftykins> done: maybe after a kernel upgrade?
[00:54] <Guest9812> ip route is the same
[00:54] <votlon> Guest9812: u using firefox?
[00:54] <done> no daftykins
[00:54] <done> completely natural ?
[00:54] <daftykins> well it doesn't happen by magic! so no idea
[00:54] <done> or maybe i'm wrong, not important (i think i installed 304 yesterday :/)
[00:55] <done> (sure, magic)
[00:55] <daftykins> 304 is as old as time :D
[00:55] <votlon> daftykins: this happened to be before but it was because i wasnt usint ubuntu as a nat server
[00:55] <votlon> using*
[00:55] <done> 331 doesnt work on my 705A
[00:55] <votlon> and netflix was being blocked by OS definition by netflix's server
[00:55] <votlon> Silly netflix
[00:55] <daftykins> votlon: mmm, well given we're told other systems work and Guest9812 is definitely online talking to us, i would have to say NAT must be working
[00:56] <done> no it works very well except plymouth
[00:56] <Guest9812> I got onto netflix and deauthorized all computers
[00:56] <daftykins> yeah, boot splash is the first thing to go with nvidia
[00:56] <daftykins> got onto it from the target system?
[00:56] <done> i mean it changed from 304 to noueveau, back in propietary everythink works much better (specially the video issues)
[00:57] <Guest9812> no, got onto it from another network and another computer. I logged out of all active netflix logins.
[00:58] <Guest9812> as far as OS definition; I've logged on with Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Windows 8.1, Windows 7, and Android all on the same network with the same virtualbox ubuntu router.
[00:58] <votlon> Guest9812: can u mtr netflix.com
[00:59] <votlon> Guest9812: from the computer u want to watch netflix on assuming it a linux box
[00:59] <Guest9812> The machine that I can't connect is Linux Mint with Windows 7 in virtualbox and I can't connect either from Mint or from inside vbox.  The other OS I listed were all native to the machine (multiple computers)
[00:59] <daftykins> oh for Tuxs sake
[01:00] <daftykins> so you've been wasting our time with Mint issues this whole time?
[01:00] <daftykins> !mint
[01:00] <daftykins> go there. not supported.
[01:00] <daftykins> the clue is the channel name
[01:00] <votlon> well the router is running ubuntu correct?
[01:00] <Guest9812> I know.  The router is Ubuntu 14.04.  I'm not concerned about the other OS just trying to figure out why one computer on a network can't connect while all others can.
[01:00] <votlon> run mtr so we know if its the router dropping the packets or your computer
[01:01] <votlon> then we can carry u to the stake if its mints fault :p
[01:01] <daftykins> the others work so it's not the router, not an ubuntu issue.
[01:01] <votlon> daftykins: oh kk ill bring the torches
[01:01] <daftykins> \o/
[01:02] <Guest9812> mtr is working
[01:02] <Guest9812> I just ran Ubuntu in a VM on that machine and it can't connect either
[01:03] <daftykins> that doesn't make it relevant really
[01:03] <daftykins> especially if you're not using bridged networking
[01:04] <OerHeks> <Guest9812 how do you connect to netflix, latest chrome 40.0.2214.111  ??
[01:05] <Guest9812> my attempt to connect is with firefox under mint and chrome in the windows vm
[01:05] <votlon> Guest9812: Firefox wont work with netflix
[01:05] <votlon> Guest9812: go download chrome beta stable for best netflix expierence
[01:05] <votlon> experience
[01:05] <Guest9812> I was just trying to log in, not stream, and the address is somehow being blocked by my Ubuntu router
[01:06] <Guest9812> I've had good luck for a while with Windows VM under Linux.
[01:06] <votlon> Guest9812: Go download chrome and see if it does work
[01:07] <Guest9812> okay
[01:07] <votlon> Guest9812: My netflix was being blocked in firefox by os and wouldnt work till i used an extention
[01:07] <cf-x> Hi people
[01:08] <cf-x> Finally I can almost go bo bed, it's 2:07 AM here and my backup is still running, lame.
[01:09] <daftykins> cf-x: that's nice but off topic
[01:09] <daftykins> chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:09] <Guest9812> chrome 40.2... (I don't know if it's beta stable) is unable to load netflix, even the netflix help page - any page on www.netflix.com
[01:10] <cf-x> wow, didn't know ubuntu-offtopic would exist xD bye then :D
[01:10] <votlon> Guest9812: In virtual box how are u forwarding ur network adapter to ur vm
[01:10] <fishcooker> how to shred folder fair safe and quickly?
[01:11] <votlon> Guest9812: wait actually are u able to load any other websites?
[01:11] <votlon> Guest9812: or is it just netflix's domain
[01:12] <Guest9812> NAT
[01:12] <Guest9812> it seems to be just netflix's domain; i've tried several other websites with a normal connection
[01:13] <votlon> Guest9812: are you able to connect from your mint host to netflix?
[01:13] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[01:13] <daftykins> that's what we've been talking about the entire time
[01:13] <votlon> ight just flush the dns on ur ubuntu router then
[01:13] <Guest9812> no, neither the host nor the vm can connect when going through the router but if i connect to another network they both connect
[01:14] <votlon> Guest9812: flush the dns on ur ubuntu machine
[01:14] <OerHeks> fishcooker, this answer might be a help http://askubuntu.com/a/57573
[01:14] <PSGroup41> I am in bash shell. How do I change my current shell to csh?
[01:15] <votlon> Guest9812: *Heroic Pose* have you tried restarting the server :)
[01:15] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Run "csh". Why do you want to use csh though?
[01:15] <Guest9812> forgive me, how do i flush dns; i'm using BIND and Webmin
[01:17] <votlon> Guest9812: sudo /etc/init.d/nscd restart
[01:17] <plasmasnake> does anybody know if it's possible to have both unity and gnome 3 installed at the same time? i remember once when i tried to have both kde (or maybe it was xfce) and unity installed, things got a little ugly
[01:18] <plasmasnake> like the themes interfering with each other and stuff
[01:18] <votlon> Guest9812: also run "rndc restart" for bind
[01:18] <Jordan_U> plasmasnake: GNOME Shell and Unity can be installed at the same time with no issues.
[01:18] <Guest9812> nscd command not found
[01:18] <plasmasnake> Jordan_U: nice, thanks!
[01:18] <Jordan_U> plasmasnake: You're welcome.
[01:19] <votlon> Guest9812: okay just use "rndc flushname netflix.com" or "rndc restart"
[01:19] <votlon> Guest9812: flushname if u dont want to get rid of all ur cache
[01:21] <Guest9812> okay; it's "rndc flush" as restart is not yet implimented
[01:21] <votlon> Guest9812: wtf .-.
[01:22] <votlon> kk install nscd then
[01:23] <votlon> And maybe debate updating ur bind server for situtations like this
[01:23] <PSGroup41> I am unable to change to a C Shell with csh. Is there other options to do it?
[01:24] <votlon> PSGroup41: chsh is the command i believe, correct me if im worng
[01:24] <votlon> wrong*
[01:24] <votlon> nvm ignore me
[01:24] <votlon> <--- nub
[01:26] <PSGroup41> chsh does not work either. Does ypchsh work? If yes, would you please inform me the syntax of using it?
[01:26] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Do you want to change the shell used by default when you log in / open a new terminal, or do you just want to run csh once? And again, why do you want to use csh?
[01:28] <Guest9812> still not working; did nscd restart
[01:28] <PSGroup41> I would like to run csh once. However, csh does not on the prompt.
[01:29] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: What happense when you run "csh"? What do you expect to happen?
[01:29] <PSGroup41> I am in bash shell. I would like to run some command on a c shell. Please help.
[01:29] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: We can't help if you refuse to answer our questions.
[01:30] <votlon> *boom*
[01:30] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: which command?
[01:30] <votlon> Guest9812: Did mtr ever make it to the server?
[01:30] <daftykins> PSGroup41: it's about time you tell us what you've been up to, since you've been messing with every shell under the sun for the past few days :)
[01:30] <daftykins> and seemingly not knowing what they even are
[01:31] <votlon> Guest9812: If mtr is making it to the server but ping wont, I would'nt be able to help any further soz matey
[01:31] <eddie_> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.10 but my update manager says there are no update to install
[01:32] <fishcooker> OerHeks: is it also work for ntfs partition?
[01:32] <EriC^^> eddie_: you'll need to upgrade to 14.04 first then 14.10
[01:32] <eddie_> EriC^^: Okay thanks. Is it possible to do that through the update manager?
[01:32] <Jordan_U> eddie_: First, you can't upgrade directly from 12.04 to 14.10. You have to upgrade to 14.04 then upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10 (or just stay with 14.04, since it is an LTS release).
[01:33] <eddie_> I think I'll just stick with 14.04. What does LTS stand for?
[01:33] <EriC^^> eddie_: yes, try to update the cache first, sudo apt-get update
[01:33] <Guest9812> okay; well thanks so much for your help. any thoughts on why it's just one computer on the network that seems to be blocked?
[01:33] <Jordan_U> !lts | eddie_
[01:33] <votlon> eddie_: Make sure you back up all ur data before you update your version "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[01:33] <PSGroup41> Sry, I did the command, echo $SHELL. The output was /bin/tcsh.
[01:34] <eddie_> right, already done ty botlon
[01:34] <eddie_> votlon*
[01:34] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: "echo $SHELL" is *not* a reliable way to tell what shell you're running.
[01:35] <PSGroup41> How do I find out which shell I am running please?
[01:35] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: type ps -p $$
[01:36] <Ben64> PSGroup41: can you explain what you're trying to accomplish? you've been here for days asking weird shell questions
[01:36] <votlon> Ben64: shellception...
[01:36] <EriC^^> the shell is collapsing
[01:37] <votlon> lol
[01:37] <EriC^^> :D
[01:37] <PSGroup41> EriC^^++: I typed the command, ps -p $$, and see CMD=csh. Does that mean I am in C Shell?
[01:37] <Ben64> PSGroup41: are you on Ubuntu 13.04
[01:38] <eddie_> Me again, the update manager is telling me that the next upgrade is 12.10. Will I have to upgrade through every version between 12.04 and 14.04?
[01:38] <Ben64> eddie_: no, you can go from 12.04 straight to 14.04
[01:39] <eddie_> Okay, can I do that through the command line?
[01:39] <PSGroup41> Ben64: no
[01:39] <Ben64> eddie_: probably, but you might need to set update manager to LTS only
[01:40] <Ben64> PSGroup41: really? you said you were 2 days ago
[01:41] <PSGroup41> Ben64: I am not in Ubuntu at this time:)
[01:41] <Jordan_U> eddie_: Do *not* upgrade to 12.10, whatever you do.
[01:42] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Then why are you asking support questions in #ubuntu?
[01:42] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChangingShells
[01:42] <EriC^^> eddie_: try sudo nano /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt to lts
[01:43] <Ben64> EriC^^: ah, great. i wasn't sure where the file was
[01:43] <OerHeks> fishcooker, nope
[01:43] <daftykins> PSGroup41: you're in an ubuntu channel asking about something other than ubuntu? why are you doing that?
[01:43] <daftykins> i knew this guy was trouble
[01:44] <EriC^^> tsk tsk tsk
[01:44] <Ben64> indeed. connecting from Intel's IP range too, good thing I don't buy their CPUs...
[01:44] <daftykins> this guy is coming from intel?
[01:45] <Ben64> intel has owned <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS> since 1989
[01:46] <daftykins> well, i don't make a habit of whois'ing everyone that pops in :>
[01:46] <Ben64> oh today he's from <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>, which intel has owned since 1993
[01:46] <Ben64> i have a habit of keeping tabs on people i deem sketchy
[01:46] <daftykins> =]
[01:46] <daftykins> PSGroup41: that explains why you keep ducking my questions of what exactly you're doing, doesn't it? :)
[01:48] <votlon> Was PSGroup41 just trollin?
[01:48] <Ben64> so my main menu, in 14.04 has a vertical scroll thingy, pretty annoying, I have 1080 pixels of vertical space, yet it insists on needing to scroll. is there a way anyone knows how to disable that? using gnome-panel
[01:49] <nibbler> OerHeks: funny page - especially the "way to find out if you have a specific shell installed" ;-)
[01:51] <excelsiora> Ubuntu! hey hey hey! What's up? Happy weekend!! I'm trying to figure out what I should do about flash? Does Ubuntu have a recommended way to keep that up to date for 14.04? I keep getting a message in my browser (wife too) about it being out of date.
[01:51] <teward> excelsiora: chrome
[01:51] <excelsiora> :(
[01:51] <nibbler> excelsiora: the recommended thing to do about flash is to get rid of it
[01:51] <excelsiora> but I want firefox! :)
[01:51] <PSGroup41> Hello! I am on Ubuntu, I found out that on C shell, the command, source script arg, takes the arg as an empty string. This error does not occur in Linux Red Hat. Is the error documented in the Ubuntu website?
[01:52] <teward> excelsiora: Flash for Linux stopped being updated after Flash 11 - it gets *updates* but not frequently, and in fact i think support is going away in the next year or so.
[01:52] <PSGroup41> Thank you very much for any help!
[01:52] <OerHeks> excelsiora, use pepperflashplugin, as standard in chrome.
[01:52] <excelsiora> nibbler: are you the same gnibbler on SO?
[01:52] <nibbler> excelsiora: dont't think so
[01:52] <excelsiora> ok
[01:53] <excelsiora> PSGroup41: C shell is considered a bad practice to use, as I recall
[01:53] <excelsiora> teward: why would they stop supporting Linux?
[01:54] <agent_white> Because Oracle, probably.
[01:54] <Jordan_U> excelsiora: They didn't stop supporting Linux, they stopped supporting NPAPI on linux. Google supports flash plugin for linux, but only via their pepper API, which Firefox doesn't support.
[01:55] <excelsiora> I thought Oracle and Linux were buddies?
[01:55] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: What is your end goal?
[01:55] <bud> hey guys. is there an easy way to make my hard disks automatically mount on startup?
[01:56] <EriC^^> !fstab | bud
[01:56] <teward> excelsiora: because Adobe.
[01:56] <teward> Jordan_U: true, but they also stopped supporting the Flash standalone for Linux too...
[01:58] <derpderp> i have downloaded the latest kernel repo from ubuntu's git archive, but how can I find the code that runs the interface used when changing resolution and monitor placement?
[01:59] <execb33f> Hello, I just recently purchase two Radeon R9 270X cards.  I am having difficulty getting them to work properly.  I am using the fglrx drivers from the apt repository, however fglrx-amdcccle  wasn't showing all of my monitors no matter what.  I was also getting artifacts and Xorg would lock up completly, causing the machine to freeze.
[02:00] <PSGroup41> Jordan_U: My project partner insists that I need to provide him an official document indicating that it is an Ubuntu error. I am trying to find such a document.
[02:01] <execb33f> I heard that the proprietary driver might be better, I attempted downloading it but its in .deb format.  All of the guides refer to a .run file that I can't seem to find on AMD's website.
[02:01] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Why is csh relevant to your project at all?
[02:01] <cptbadass> howdy! quick question: i installed ubuntu on a pc, then added another hdd. ubuntu doesn't show it. what do i need to do?
[02:02] <excelsiora> I went to Software Sources in Software Center, selected Canonical Partners under Other Software, and found the update through Adobe's site, installed it (which uninstalled prior flash) and no need to even restart Firefox, flash works.
[02:02] <EriC^^> cptbadass: it doesn't show in sudo parted -l ?
[02:02] <cptbadass> let me check
[02:03] <PSGroup41> My project partner insists we use csh and if the source command does not work, I need to provide him with documentation.
[02:03] <Ben64> PSGroup41: what is the output of this command? "md5sum /etc/issue" and what version of ubuntu are you running
[02:03] <FourFire> Hello
[02:03] <FourFire> I've been struggling trying to install the Nvidia 346 driver
[02:04] <FourFire> My screen resolution is down to 600x480...
[02:04] <daftykins> FourFire: from where? downloaded?
[02:04] <excelsiora> how's gnash coming along?
[02:04] <daftykins> 346 is not in the repos
[02:04] <FourFire> How do I kill mdm permanently
[02:04] <Ben64> FourFire: how did you try to install it, why do you need 346?
[02:04] <Ben64> FourFire: also, what video card, laptop? dual gpu?
[02:04] <FourFire> please. there's terrible graphics artifacts which are covering my F1 virtual terminal session
[02:04] <PSGroup41> The same error occurs on 14.04 and 13.04.
[02:04] <vancron> I've just been setting up a share between a virtual machine and my windows host. The problem is i cant get it to allow only my sambauser, i can connect to the share with any user. It is like guest ok = yes, but it's not. security = user, force group = vboxsf create mask= 0640.. I dont know what i do wrong
[02:04] <Ben64> PSGroup41: that is not an answer to my question
[02:04] <FourFire> daftykins, yes downloaded
[02:05] <FourFire> I just need to install it, but I can't with mdm or lightdm or whatever it is unity runs on top of running
[02:05] <daftykins> FourFire: so, where do you fail installing?
[02:05] <cptbadass> nope, doesn't show it
[02:05] <FourFire> how do I Kill the process
[02:05] <Ben64> FourFire: don't install it that way
[02:05] <FourFire> it throws me an error message
[02:05] <daftykins> FourFire: yes you hit ctrl+alt+F1 to login at a TTY, then run "sudo service lightdm stop"
[02:05] <EriC^^> cptbadass: if you plug it in, does dmesg mention it?
[02:06] <FourFire> ok, that did not seem to change anything
[02:06] <FourFire> I'm logged into TTY1 but unity is still up on top of it so I can't see anything
[02:06]  * Ben64 pokes FourFire... what video card, why do you need 346, system details, go
[02:06] <cptbadass> like, hook it in while the system is on?
[02:07] <FourFire> except when I'm typing the spot I am changing becomes displays TTY1 for a split second
[02:07] <FourFire> Ben64, 960
[02:07] <EriC^^> cptbadass: can you pastebin /var/log/kern.log ?
[02:07] <flight> is there anyone here that is using genymotion with virtualbox?
[02:07] <Ben64> FourFire: that the only gpu in the system?
[02:08] <cptbadass> Let me stop playing with my one handed keyboard and type like I mean it. I admit I'm unfamiliar with linux, so would you mind a quick instruction as to doing that?
[02:08] <FourFire> I could take out that and use the intel iGPU but then the drive refuses to install
[02:08] <FourFire> driver*
[02:08] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Sorry, I lost my internet connection. If you answered my question, "Why is csh relevant to your project at all?", I did not see it.
[02:08] <EriC^^> cptbadass: cat /var/log/kern.log , paste in paste.ubuntu.com
[02:09] <cptbadass> Alright, one moment
[02:09] <Ben64> FourFire: well if you're not planning on using the intel gpu at all, use this PPA and install the driver using apt-get. https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[02:09] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: And for the record, I very much doubt that this is an Ubuntu bug. I think that you're expecting a feature of csh (which shouldn't be used for anything but nostalgia) that is not actually guaranteed to be available in all csh implementations.
[02:09] <FourFire> Ben64, I already did this
[02:09] <flight> If someone could walk me through this error message I'm getting from terminal while trying to execute genymotion it would be much appreciated
[02:10] <flight> Error while opening log file: /home/flight/.Genymobile/genymotion.log: No such file or directory
[02:10] <flight> Logging activities to file: /home/flight/.Genymobile/genymotion.log
[02:10] <flight> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:10] <FourFire> following the Phoronix article
[02:10] <Ben64> FourFire: and?
[02:10] <FourFire> I have my current problem
[02:10] <Ben64> FourFire: well you should have lead with that, what else should we know about?
[02:10] <FourFire> I specifically blacklisted neovou whatever stuff following a tutorial
[02:11] <cptbadass> alright, done.
[02:11] <Ben64> FourFire: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[02:11] <cptbadass> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10101542/
[02:11] <bud> ok, so when I click a drive and it mounts it for me. It creates the mount point directory - then deletes it when i unmount?
[02:11] <FourFire> nnot on this machine, unfortunately, I'll try
[02:12] <bud> but when i mount it via cli, i have to mkdir the mountpoint first
[02:12] <flight> can someone please explain what this means to me::::
[02:12] <flight> Error while opening log file: /home/flight/.Genymobile/genymotion.log: No such file or directory
[02:12] <flight> Logging activities to file: /home/flight/.Genymobile/genymotion.log
[02:12] <flight> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:12] <FourFire> I can't see the result
[02:12] <PSGroup41> Jordan_U:My project partner insists we use csh and if the source command does not work, I need to provide him with documentation.
[02:12] <cptbadass> It's an msata ssd, not sure if that's a compatibility issue or not.
[02:12] <FourFire> there's a weird situation, it's like unity is reacting to my keypresses, but I'm also logged into TTY1
[02:12] <antimatroid> If I call "echo "hello" | at "now + 1 minutes"" at say 13:07:35 (h:m:s), at runs at 13:07:35, whereas if I call "date -d "now + 1 minutes"" then I get 13:08:35 which is 35 seconds after at runs. I'm pretty sure I can't get 'at' to recognise seconds, is there an easy way to change "date -d "now + 1 minutes"" so that when I call it at say 13:07:35 I get 13:08:00? I know I could always run the 'at' command a minute later if I wanted that to run after what I us
[02:12] <Ben64> FourFire: if you've got command line only, you can do "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999"
[02:12] <FourFire> is there some way I can kill unity?
[02:13] <Ben64> sudo service lightdm stop
[02:13] <Ben64> like i saw suggested above
[02:13] <FourFire> yeah I tried that, no dice
[02:13] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Why does your partner insist that you use csh? That seems frankly indefensibly wrong.
[02:13] <Ben64> FourFire: maybe start up in text mode...
[02:13] <Ben64> !text | FourFire
[02:13] <flight> anyone?
[02:14] <Ben64> flight: first, stop spamming that error... use a pastebin. secondly, be patient
[02:14] <EriC^^> cptbadass: is it a usb drive?
[02:14] <FourFire> ok so I input that command Ben64 is there somewhere I can see the result
[02:14] <Ben64> FourFire: it should return a url
[02:14] <FourFire> ok I'll reboot
[02:15] <flight> sorry first time user
[02:15] <cptbadass> No, it should be registered as a sata drive. The slot itself is sata II
[02:15] <PSGroup41> Jordan_U: It is for our project. He said that if it cannot be done, we need to provide official documents on it.
[02:15] <daftykins> FourFire: i told you how to stop unity, you must be doing it wrong.
[02:16] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Have you told him that you think using csh for anything made within the last 2 decades is insane?
[02:16] <Ben64> PSGroup41: what is the output of this command? "md5sum /etc/issue" and what version of ubuntu are you running
[02:16] <EriC^^> cptbadass: goes gparted see it?
[02:17] <Bashing-om> flight: I have not sen the ap, but " No such file or directory " I would find out the why -> ls -al /home/flight/.Genymobile/genymotion.log , ls -al /home/flight/.Genymobile . see where the path fails ?
[02:17] <FourFire> how do I force grub to pause when booting into Ubuntu, is that a boot setting: prioritize legacy over UEFI ?
[02:17] <cptbadass> I can check. Sorry for not checking these things sooner.
[02:17] <PSGroup41> Ben64: is the command, md5sum /etc/issue, a safe command?
[02:17] <Ben64> yep
[02:17] <EriC^^> cptbadass: no problem
[02:17] <PSGroup41> I do not want to crash the system.
[02:17] <Ben64> if it does, you've got some huge problems
[02:17] <FourFire> ok got into tty1 without problems
[02:18] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Yes, it doesn't change any state in any way (it just prints a number).
[02:18] <FourFire> attempting to install the Nvidia driver now
[02:18] <Ben64> FourFire: don't!
[02:18] <linuxuz3r> 6:18:13 PM linuxuz3r  hi how do i include /usr/local/lib to library path
[02:18] <cptbadass> Just checked gParted, and no, nothing.
[02:18] <FourFire> ok, what should I do instead?
[02:19] <flight> Bashing-om: Ok I'll try that and see what it turns up
[02:19] <EriC^^> cptbadass: does the BIOS see it?
[02:19] <Ben64> FourFire: use the xorg-edgers ppa like i've said already
[02:19] <FourFire> you mean I should install it again?
[02:19] <cptbadass> I'll have to check that too. I'll be logging in the meantime.
[02:19] <Ben64> FourFire: or pastebin what i asked... the output of "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[02:20] <Panico> hi guys
[02:20] <PSGroup41> Ben64: it gives a number
[02:20] <Ben64> and the number is....
[02:20] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Please post that number here.
[02:20] <FourFire> it returns "use netcat"
[02:21] <vancron> it's totally impossible to get samba to allow only my user created with smbpasswd. I can access my shared folder from any user on my windows machine wich is not what i want
[02:21] <FourFire> when I just grep nvidia it doesn't return anything
[02:21] <Ben64> FourFire: then seems like you either A) didn't add the ppa properly or B) didn't install said driver from said PPA
[02:21] <FourFire> I think the guide I was following told me to purge everything following a certain pattern
[02:22] <PSGroup41> What does the number mean? Can I check it by myself?
[02:22] <Ben64> FourFire: sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers-346
[02:22] <bazhang> whats the number PSGroup41
[02:22] <Ben64> FourFire: if that doesn't work, we add the PPA
[02:22] <FourFire> Ben64, ok, I'll readd the PPA, what do I input precisely?
[02:22] <cptbadass> Okay, back. Yes, the BIOS does recognise the drive: samsung msata 500.1gb
[02:22] <FourFire> ok, I'll try that
[02:22] <bud> i need to add some mounts to fstab and the howto's are confusing me. mainly the options, etc. i just want 'mount /dev /mountpoint' to run. where do i find the specific options i need to define in fstab?
[02:23] <bazhang> sudo blkid bud
[02:23] <FourFire> yeah it can't find that
[02:23] <Ben64> FourFire: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[02:24] <bud> bazhang, ah, that helps!
[02:24] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41:
[02:24] <bazhang> PSGroup41, have you given us that number yet
[02:24] <cptbadass> Correction: gparted DOES see the hdd. Didn't realize there was a dropdown menu to the side for other drives.
[02:25] <EriC^^> cptbadass: ok, great
[02:25] <cptbadass> So sorry.  Do I just need to format it?
[02:25] <EriC^^> yeah, probably the filesystem is corrupted or something
[02:25] <EriC^^> repartition it
[02:25] <FourFire> ok, upgrade && update done, no changes apparently
[02:25] <daftykins> given we keep getting selected information we probably have to label PSGroup41 as a non-ubuntu user who's been hoodwinking us this entire time :(
[02:25] <mushir> I can't enter recovery mode in ubuntu 14.04 .. I reach the options but I can't navigate options I get strange black screen
[02:26] <Ben64> FourFire: ok, now you should be able to install the nvidia package you tried before
[02:26] <bud> and i have to create the mountpoints manually right? it's not fstabs job to do that.
[02:26] <Ben64> bud: correct
[02:26] <FourFire> nope it doesn't see it
[02:26] <bud> ty
[02:26] <Ben64> FourFire: what version of ubuntu
[02:26] <cptbadass> what should the partition table type be if I want it to work with windows 7/8.1?
[02:26] <EriC^^> are you using uefi?
[02:26] <Ben64> you probably want msdos
[02:26] <FourFire> "E: unable to locate package ..."
[02:27] <cptbadass> didn't know there was anything more to partitioning than size, and fat/ntsc
[02:27] <FourFire> 14.04, but upgraded to kernel 3.18.6
[02:27] <Ben64> FourFire: oh that could be a problem
[02:27] <EriC^^> cptbadass: if you're using uefi, you'll want a gpt partition table
[02:27] <FourFire> should I boot with an older version?
[02:27] <daftykins> FourFire: you silly billy
[02:28] <FourFire> I just wanted to e updated D:
[02:28] <Ben64> FourFire: you might not be able to get nvidia going at all with that unless you want to run the nvidia installer every time manually
[02:28] <bud> anything wrong with mounting stuff to /media vs /mnt?
[02:28] <FourFire> hmm
[02:28] <FourFire> can I downgrade then?
[02:29] <Ben64> depends how you upgraded
[02:29] <FourFire> IIRC theres something really horrible about attempting to downgrade
[02:29] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: I think I know why you're seeing what you think is a difference between Ubuntu and Red Hat here (it's *not* an Ubuntu bug), but frankly I'm not going to help you without at least a little bit more information on why you're doing somthing so insane than you've given.
[02:29] <FourFire> Ben64, the phoronix kernel upgrade article
[02:29] <FourFire> I just did that
[02:29] <Ben64> i don't know what that entails
[02:29] <FourFire> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?px=MTY1NTU&page=news_item
[02:30] <flight> I apologize to everyone for my spamming earlier. Upon further investigation I discovered my problem was in the fact that I had the wrong version of the program downloaded
[02:30] <cptbadass> Thank you very much, Eric.  Seems like everything is in working order now.
[02:31] <joba13> hola!!!
[02:31] <EriC^^> cptbadass: you're welcome
[02:31] <Ben64> FourFire: as long as you have old kernels installed, you can just remove the packages you installed for that
[02:31] <joba13> hello i'm new in Ubuntu
[02:31] <FourFire> ok
[02:32] <mushir> I'm using ubuntu 14.04 and I have a problem running my PC in recovery mode.
[02:32] <mushir> I can get to the recovery mode screen in the grub menu but when I try to navigate through the options using up or down, I get this black screen with weird text in the middle of my screen so I simply can't navigate through the options.
[02:32] <FourFire> how do I do that?
[02:32] <Ben64> dpkg -r <name of package>
[02:32] <PSGroup41> Ben64: If I provide the number, will it cause security issue to my system?
[02:32] <Ben64> PSGroup41: no
[02:32] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: No, it will not.
[02:32] <PSGroup41> Can someone get into my system if I provide such a number?
[02:32] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: No.
[02:33] <Ben64> i'm done with this guy
[02:33] <bazhang> what version of redhat PSGroup41
[02:33] <Guest96896> .
[02:34] <PSGroup41> It is Ubuntu 13.04. It works well on Red Hat Linux.
[02:35] <Bashing-om> flight: Good work . Versions matter !
[02:35] <FourFire> now a whole coloum of tidles (~) happened
[02:35] <FourFire> I'll get back to this tomorrow, too tired now
[02:36] <bazhang> PSGroup41, what works well on redhat. this is ubuntu support only and that version is eol: not supported at all
[02:36] <bud> in fstab, using the UUID can be used in place of /dev/xyz, correct?
[02:36] <Ben64> bud: yep, and its more reliable
[02:36] <linuxuz3r> how do i know if a program is 64bit or 32 bit
[02:37] <PSGroup41> Sry, I found the number in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/236272
[02:37] <bazhang> if you are on that version PSGroup41 then upgrade immediately for support here
[02:37] <Ben64> linuxuz3r: file "/path/to/program"
[02:37] <SchrodingersScat> linuxuz3r: using 'file' should tell you
[02:37] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | PSGroup41
[02:37] <bazhang> see the very last link PSGroup41 and upgrade pronto
[02:37] <bud> Ben64, so "UUID=7d07465a-76ab-4316-93a1-93320ccb94fa /media/Storage2 ext2 auto 0 0" is formatted correctly then?
[02:38] <mushir> any hlp ??
[02:38] <PSGroup41> It fails on Ubuntu 14.04, too
[02:38] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: If you're worried about security, running an EOL release of any OS should terrify you.
[02:38] <Ben64> bud: looks good. make sure the case matches on the mountpoint though
[02:39] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Why does your partner insist on csh? Have you told them that using csh for anything written within the last two decades is insane?
[02:39] <EriC^^> bud: any reason you're not using defaults instead of auto?
[02:39] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades  <-- PSGroup41
[02:39] <bud> EriC^^, i just read that auto makes it automatically mount at boot, that's what i'm trying to accomplish.
[02:40] <PSGroup41> bazhang: I see the same problem in Ubuntu 14.04
[02:40] <bazhang> PSGroup41, 13.04 is simply not supported, upgrade for support here
[02:40] <daftykins> PSGroup41: you have to run a supported distribution to get support in here.
[02:41] <bud> EriC^^, or is adding it to fstab going to make it automatically mount anyway
[02:41] <Ben64> PSGroup41: well you've been lying the past hour+ about what version you're running, how can anyone trust you now
[02:41] <mushir> I'm using ubuntu 14.04 and I have a problem running my PC in recovery mode.
[02:41] <mushir> I can get to the recovery mode screen in the grub menu but when I try to navigate through the options using up or down, I get this black screen with weird text in the middle of my screen so I simply can't navigate through the options.
[02:41] <EriC^^> bud: defaults includes auto and other options that work well with ext file systems, depending on what you want exactly
[02:41] <bazhang> selective truthiness Ben64
[02:42] <Jordan_U> mushir: Try adding "GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console" to /etc/default/grub, then run "sudo update-grub".
[02:42] <daftykins> lying for the past several days in fact
[02:42] <Ben64> Feb 06 2015 17:37:58 <Ben64>	PSGroup41: are you on Ubuntu 13.04   \n   Feb 06 2015 17:39:28 <PSGroup41>	Ben64: no
[02:42] <bud> EriC^^, these are just basic, simple, ext2 drives for storate, i'll use defaults instead :) thx
[02:42] <PSGroup41> The errors failed in both 13.04 and 14.04
[02:42] <bazhang> my versions sounds nicer
[02:42] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Why does your partner insist on csh? Have you told them that using csh for anything written within the last two decades is insane?
[02:42] <EriC^^> bud: np
[02:43] <PSGroup41> Ben64: yes
[02:43] <bazhang> PSGroup41, its not supported. please stop asking here for support on the eol version. upgrade with help of the link I have given you two times now
[02:43] <PSGroup41> bazhang: I see the same problem in 14.04
[02:44] <bazhang> PSGroup41, no need to repeat that. it's not supported, and repeating that wont change it
[02:44] <PSGroup41> I have two machine, one is 13.04 and another is 14.04. Both machine fail on the same problem.
[02:44] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: what's the problem exactly?
[02:44] <bazhang> ssecurity
[02:45] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: I know exactly why you're having trouble passing positional parameters to source with csh. If you give me a little more information on why you insist on using a historical relic, and some hope that you're communicating the insanity of this to your partner, I will tell you.
[02:48] <PSGroup41> Jordan_Uand Eric: Thank you very much for your help! I am on Ubuntu, I found out that on C shell, the command, source script arg, takes the arg as an empty string. This error does not occur in Linux Red Hat. Is the error documented in the Ubuntu website?
/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 35: /etc/default/grub: GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console: not found
[02:49] <bud> can i like, execute fstab to test it without rebooting?
[02:49] <Jordan_U> mushir: You need to not include the quotation marks.
[02:49] <Ben64> bud: sudo mount -a
[02:49] <Bashing-om> bud: Terminal command -> mount -a <- .
[02:50] <bud> hmm...
[02:50] <bud> one of them didn't make it
[02:51] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Why does your partner insist on csh? Have you told them that using csh for anything written within the last two decades is insane?
[02:52] <PSGroup41> Jordan_U: I did told him but he needs official documents.
[02:53] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Great, I'm glad you've communicated that to him. Can you give me any more insight into why he insists on csh despite this?
[02:57] <PSGroup41> Jordan_U: We are working on a project. The project uses the command, source script arg. It does not work. He needs my to provide him Ubuntu website saying that.
[02:57] <linuxuz3r> ok thanks
[02:58] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: is it a school project?
[02:58] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: The command "source script arg" will work great in bash, or /bin/sh (which on Ubuntu is implemented with dash). Why aren't you using either of those shells (which are much more widely available than csh, and have the features you apparently need).
[02:58] <Jordan_U> ?
[02:59] <pavlos> PSGroup41, the command source works ... create a file boo with contents echo $1 make it +x then, source boo hello will print hello
[02:59] <goodluck> hi,genius,how to get the lastest created file in a directory
[02:59] <goodluck> i mean through a bash script
[02:59] <mushir> Jordan_u: didn't work .. as I said I have no problem accessing recovery mode form the grub menu my problem is I can't use any of recovery mode options
[02:59] <PSGroup41> Eric and Jordan_U: it is a school project. The command does not need to work. I just need to tell him the website indicating that it has this problem in Ubuntu.
[03:00] <pragmaticenigma> mushir, a quick google search will give many answers. Here is one http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1015678/linux-most-recent-file-in-a-directory
[03:00] <Jordan_U> mushir: Could you possibly make a video of this and post it to youtube or similar?
[03:00] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: tell him csh doesn't work that way with it's source command, you need to set argv=("arg1", "arg2") then source script.csh and it's as if you did source script.csh arg1 arg2
[03:01] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Ahh, good to know that it's a school project. Is the project relating to ancient UNIX history?
[03:01] <pragmaticenigma> oops... didn't mean to take mushir on that
[03:01] <pragmaticenigma> sorry
[03:01] <mushir> pragmaticenigma: I posted my problem in ASK UBUNTU but no answers!
[03:01] <PSGroup41> pavlos: if boo is a boo.csh, it does not work.
[03:01] <pragmaticenigma> goodluck, , a quick google search will give many answers. Here is one http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1015678/linux-most-recent-file-in-a-directory
[03:01] <bootninja_linux> howdy folks.  any alsa gurus around that might be able to help me get sound working through spdif?
[03:02] <pragmaticenigma> bootninja_linux, why aren't you using PulseAudio?
[03:02] <bootninja_linux> good question
[03:03] <bootninja_linux> I'm running Kodibuntu and It doesn't seem to have been installed by default
[03:03] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Can you guarantee me that whatever script you're writing isn't intended for anything other than homework? I would hate to be a part of enabling a newly written csh script to be foisted on poor unsuspecting users.
[03:03] <bootninja_linux> although I'm wondering if that will solve the issue, since doesn't pulseaudio work off alsa?
[03:03] <mushir> Jordan_U: I can send you a photo of the screen I get when I try to choose one of recovery options
[03:03] <pragmaticenigma> bootninja_linux, we can't support other distrobutions in this channel
[03:03] <daftykins> bootninja_linux: kodibuntu uses pulse as default.
[03:03] <PSGroup41> Jordan_U: Thanks, I just need to tell my project partner that the command, source abc.csh arg, does not work on Ubuntu.
[03:03] <pavlos> PSGroup41, you're wrong ... I created a file boo.csh first line #!/bin/csh second line echo $1 .... try source boo.csh hello
[03:04] <EriC^^> pavlos: type csh first to get a csh shell, it's cause you're using bash's built-in source
[03:04] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: It does work on Ubuntu though, it just doesn't work in csh.
[03:04] <daftykins> bootninja_linux: if you are configuring Kodi to play audio, you should be doing so from *within* Kodi system settings - and probably discussing it in #kodi too.
[03:04] <pragmaticenigma> bootninja_linux, PulseAudio is more of a wrapper around ALSA, making it more friendly to other applications
[03:04] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Can you guarantee me that whatever script you're writing isn't intended for anything other than homework? I would hate to be a part of enabling a newly written csh script to be foisted on poor unsuspecting users.
[03:04] <bootninja_linux> sorry pragmaticenigma  didn't figure it was really a distro centric question
[03:04] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: you have to type set argv=("bla") , then type source script.csh , and you can use the arg in it
[03:05] <daftykins> Jordan_U: perhaps at this point it should be considered off topic?
[03:05] <mushir> Jordan_U: here is the link http://askubuntu.com/questions/566471/problem-accessing-recovery-mode-in-ubuntu-14-04
[03:05] <PSGroup41> pavlos: I am running the command on C shell.
[03:05] <Ben64> daftykins: i'd agree. its for ubuntu 13.04, its insane, ip coming from intel owned block, this is where your i7 dollars go to apparently :|
[03:06] <pavlos> EriC^^, I did csh first, got % prompt ... source ./boo.csh hello gives me hello
[03:06] <coffee-> hi ubuntu works great on dual boot and was enjoying it, but i need ip cam security software that doesn't cost a fortune?
[03:06] <pragmaticenigma> bootninja_linux, even if it's part of the ubuntu family, they can have significant configuration differences. It's best to find the group supporting that spin rather than a general room like this.
[03:06] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Indeed, since this is a question that is hardly related to Ubuntu at all (however much you might think it is), let's please move it to ##linux or another channel.
[03:07] <pragmaticenigma> coffee-, check out motion
[03:07] <PSGroup41> EriC^^: Yes, set argv=("bla") works but the command, source script arg, does not.
[03:07] <coffee-> hmm wonder if the software library on ubuntu has webcam software that works with ip cams
[03:07] <EriC^^> pavlos: *shrug* doesn't work here
[03:07] <coffee-> motion?
[03:07] <coffee-> ok will do thank :D
[03:07] <EriC^^> PSGroup41: cause source in csh is different than bash's source
[03:08] <coffee-> Thanks*
[03:08] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: pavlos: Shhh, you're both doing the right thing, and I know exactly why you're getting different results. It's related to why this isn't really an Ubuntu question. Once I have assurance from PSGroup41 I'll spill the beans :)
[03:08] <pavlos> lol
[03:09] <EriC^^> :D
[03:09] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: Please join ##Linux.
[03:10] <daftykins> aww so we don't get to hear the thrilling conclusion :(
[03:11] <Jordan_U> daftykins: I'll post the secret here when I'm done in ##linux :)
[03:11] <daftykins> \o/
[03:11] <daftykins> ty sir
[03:11] <EriC^^> :P
[03:11] <PSGroup41> Eric: The command, source script arg works  in Linux Red Hat.
[03:12] <mrbond006> WHATTT UPPPP!!!
[03:12] <Jordan_U> PSGroup41: This will be the last time I ask before removing you from the channel. This is offtopic for #ubuntu, please join ##linux.
[03:12] <PSGroup41> Eric and pavlos: The command, source script arg, does not work on Ubuntu.
[03:12] <mrbond006> so deluge has stopped working for me?
[03:12] <shadaloo> hi my keyboard shortcuts with alt arent working
[03:12] <elky> PSGroup41: please listen to Jordan_U and go to ##linux
[03:12] <Ben64> mrbond006: that is not a question we can answer
[03:12] <mrbond006> fuck you Ben64
[03:12] <mrbond006> there are a 1000 people here
[03:13] <shadaloo> LOL
[03:13] <mrbond006> and someone has to know
[03:13] <Ben64> that attitude and language will not get you far here
[03:13] <Jordan_U> mrbond006: Please watch your language and attitude here.
[03:13] <mrbond006> its a goddamned Ubuntu IRC!!!!!!
[03:13] <mrbond006> GODDAMNED
[03:13] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy mrbond006
[03:13] <mrbond006> How much more could I ask for?!
[03:13] <mrbond006> Jeesh
[03:14] <shadaloo> hi my keyboard shortcuts with alt arent working
[03:14] <shadaloo> any ideas
[03:14] <mrbond006> hi my keyboard shortcuts with alt arent working
[03:14] <shadaloo> -.-
[03:14] <NegativeFlare> mrbond006: You might want to leave, or suffer a ban.
[03:14] <mrbond006> Fine :(
[03:14] <pragmaticenigma> shadaloo, can you please be more specific?
[03:14] <Ben64> NegativeFlare: impressive
[03:15] <NegativeFlare> Ben64: I don't put up with garbage
[03:15] <shadaloo> pragmaticenigma: I have alt+t launch terminal
[03:15] <shadaloo> and it is not working
 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNYIe9zlMQ&feature=youtu.be
[03:15] <pragmaticenigma> shadaloo, have you installed any new programs lately? are you running any programs in the background right now? Does it work if you reboot and right after you login again?
[03:16] <shadaloo> nah
[03:16] <shadaloo> im using ubuntu+1 xD
[03:16] <shadaloo> just figured I'd try here first
[03:16] <mrbond006> Hello call ubuntu call center? I have a problem with my instance of deluge. Can you help me?
[03:16] <Ben64> mushir: whoa thats strange
[03:16] <mrbond006> You have a 1000 person strong channel someone has to know
[03:16] <mrbond006> before i go apeshit
[03:16] <NegativeFlare> shadaloo: There's a tool, I forget the name of it. That tells you what keyboard events that X is receiving. Sadly, I can't recall the name of it.
[03:17] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: pavlos: daftykins: There are two common implementations of "csh", berkely-csh (Ubuntu grabs the source for this from OpenBSD) and tcsh. tcsh supports positional arguments to source, historical and current OpenBSD csh does not.
[03:17] <EriC^^> xev
[03:17] <Ben64> NegativeFlare: shadaloo: xev
[03:17] <shadaloo> mrbond006: use a better client
[03:17] <NegativeFlare> ah!
[03:17] <NegativeFlare> Ben64: thanks man
[03:17] <NegativeFlare> shadaloo: Try to use xev, it'll tell you if alt is actually being pressed or not
[03:17] <shadaloo> NegativeFlare: what do you recommend I do with this
 : yes very strange but I can't simply reinstall Ubuntu and lose my packages,updates and customization
[03:18] <pragmaticenigma> shadaloo, NegativeFlare is suggesting an application to make sure your computer is responding to the Alt key being pressed.
[03:18] <NegativeFlare> mhm
[03:18] <Ben64> mushir: i haven't really been following along with your problem. what's been going on with your system?
[03:18] <pavlos> shadaloo, ctrl-alt t pops a term for me ... 14.04
[03:19] <shadaloo> pavlos: i think that's the default
[03:19] <Ben64> shadaloo: it is indeed
[03:19] <shadaloo> I open terms often enough to where one less keystroke is worth it
[03:19] <daftykins> Jordan_U: interesting, thanks :>
[03:19] <Jordan_U> daftykins: You're welcome.
[03:19] <pragmaticenigma> neat pavlos ... thanks for that tip!
[03:19] <EriC^^> Jordan_U: oh i see
[03:19] <shadaloo> pragmaticenigma: alt is working
[03:19] <mushir> Ben64: I can get to the recovery mode screen in the grub menu but when I try to navigate through the options using up or down, I get this black screen with weird text in the middle of my screen so I simply can't navigate through the options.
[03:19] <Ben64> shadaloo: does ctrl+alt+t still open a terminal
[03:19] <Ben64> mushir: yeah i got that, but why are you trying to get to the recovery mode in the first place
[03:20] <shadaloo> Ben64: when I rebind to ctrl+alt+t yes it does work again
[03:21] <mushir> Ben64: I think it is wise to make sure that recovery mode is working just in case of any problem
[03:21] <shadaloo> when I hold alt I see the options listed in the top panel
[03:21] <shadaloo> but that's not how it used to behave
[03:21] <Ben64> shadaloo: that is standard behavior
[03:21] <Jordan_U> mushir: Interesting, Can you boot normally and try some programs that use ncurses from the normally booted system?
[03:22] <bud> how do i force a user to use a certain window manager? when i remote desktop my server it's using the default WM and i want it to use xfce
[03:22] <Ben64> shadaloo: wait you're on vivid?
[03:23] <shadaloo> Ben64: yes
[03:23] <Ben64> gotta ask that in #ubuntu+1 then
[03:23] <shadaloo> no one ever answers there -.-
[03:23] <Ben64> tis the risk of running unreleased ubuntus
 I'm not sure is I get your question but yes my system is ok and I can boot normally
[03:26] <mushir> Jordan_U: I can boot normally plz can you tell me how to test programs that use ncurses ?!
[03:27] <Jordan_U> mushir: I'm trying to think of a good example that comes with Ubuntu and would test a similar menu to the recovery mode one. "tasksel" would be good, but doesn't come with Ubuntu by default (you can install it though).
[03:28] <Squarism> Hey.. any looong time ubuntu users here? Im wondering if you've seen big improvements to ubuntu Desktop during the years? Some issues strikes me as : wow, why is that still so! Like the need for the "unsupported" ccsm manager. Hardware support - i get the feeling there must be support for the hardware in the distribution or it wont play. I think Windows update handles hardware nice - with repos keeping
[03:28] <Squarism> drivers and the search functionality.
[03:29] <NegativeFlare> Squarism: man, don't even get me started. I started using Ubuntu back in dapper drake. I've seen TONS of improvements.
[03:29] <daftykins> Squarism: anyone who knows how to use Windows properly, does not trust drivers from WU. similarly, anyone who knows Ubuntu is very select about drivers.
[03:29] <Adrienne> Squarism: I would say that yes, it has improved significantly.
[03:30] <daftykins> Squarism: also, running AMD graphics? that's an unwise move :>
[03:30] <Ben64> Squarism: there is no need for ccsm, hardware support exceeds windows' by a huge margin
[03:30] <mushir> Jordan_U: tasksel: debconf failed to run
[03:31] <Jordan_U> mushir: sudo tasksel
[03:31] <Squarism> Ben64, i cannot very well bind / unbind the overcrowded assigned keyboard shortcuts wo ccsm manager. Many which conflict with popular software
[03:32] <Ben64> Squarism: you don't need to use compiz at all
[03:32] <Squarism> thanks for your perspective!
[03:32] <Squarism> What should i use instead?
[03:33] <Ben64> gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, whatever else
[03:33] <Jordan_U> Squarism: KDE is much better with options to change keyboard shortcuts. I think that GNOME Shell may even be better with that particular aspect than Unity.
[03:33] <pavlos> mushir, sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[03:33] <mushir> Jordan_U: when I select any of servers from the list to install I get back to terminal
[03:33] <Squarism> I thought unity was a move in the right direction? Away from X11?
[03:34] <bud> what do i do when i get 'no such file' when trying to start/stop a service listed in /init.d ?
[03:34] <shadaloo> is there another place to bind shortcuts aside from "Keyboard"
[03:34] <bud> specifically chrome-remote-desktop
[03:34] <shadaloo> like compiz or something?
[03:35] <Jordan_U> Squarism: Mir, which is used by "Unity 8", is a replacement for X11. But neither are finished or used in Ubuntu by default yet.
[03:35] <Ben64> shadaloo: you should really be asking in #ubuntu+1 ...
[03:35] <mushir> pavlos: no problem I think with programs that use ncurses
[03:35] <pavlos> ok
[03:36] <shadaloo> Ben64: no one is there yo
[03:36] <Jordan_U> mushir: Try in a tty.
[03:36] <Ben64> shadaloo: then don't use vivid if you want support
[03:37] <shadaloo> Ben64: I don't want other's help bad enough to use old code xD
[03:37] <littlegirl> Hey there, if I do ls -l /dev/tty I find 98 files. What are those for?
[03:37] <Ben64> shadaloo: spoiler- you're already using old code.
[03:37] <mushir> Jordan_U : no problem I think with programs that use ncurses .. any ideas ??
[03:37] <shadaloo> Ben64: to clarify
[03:38] <shadaloo> Old linux kernal code
[03:38] <Ben64> !latest | shadaloo
[03:38] <shadaloo> !sru
[03:38] <littlegirl> Hey there, if I do ls -l /dev/tty I find 98 files. What are those for?
[03:40] <bud> littlegirl, try http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8514735/what-is-special-about-dev-tty
[03:40] <Jordan_U> mushir: Did you try logging into a tty (press ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a tty, ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to a GUI) and running tasksel?
[03:41] <bud> what do i do when i get 'no such file' when trying to start/stop a service listed in /init.d ? specifically chrome-remote-desktop
[03:41] <littlegirl> Thanks, bud. (:
[03:41] <daftykins> bud: perhaps the name is wrong, check service status to see a full list of actual ones
[03:42] <Jordan_U> bud: What guide are you trying to follow? You should generally use "service" rather than running scripts from /etc/init.d/ directly, but I don't know what chrome-remote-desktop even is.
[03:43] <bud> Jordan_U, trying to make chrome-remote-desktop use xfce instead of unity via https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/-7iefS2yN20
[03:43] <nicomachus> hey guys, I got an error booting and I'm not sure if it's a bad kernel, my HDD, or my mobo...
[03:43] <nicomachus> imgur.com/CDNimzK
[03:45] <bud> Jordan_U, chrome remote desktop a remote desktop server. i'll just reboot the system since i can't seem to stop then restart the service lol
[03:45] <OnceMe> hell
[03:45] <OnceMe> odoes ImageViewer have slideshow option
[03:45] <OnceMe> and how>?\
[03:45] <bud> Jordan_U, it says 'chrome-remote-desktop' plain as day in init.d but when i try and run it it says it's not found. *shrug*
[03:46] <EriC^^> nicomachus: probably a bad kernel, hold shift to get grub and choose an older one
[03:47] <bud> Jordan_U, nevermind, apparently i'm a complete idiot
[03:47] <Jordan_U> bud: What is the exact command you're running?
[03:48] <bud> Jordan_U, i was spelling it wrong. sorry.
[03:50] <Eray> Hello, I have a problem about default file permissions. When I download a file from internet, have permission -rw-r-----. Because of this Apache give 403 error for images. When I add an image, I should use `chmod` for each time. Is there a way for getting permission from folder
[03:50] <jamie_> Does anyone have problem with firefox and live streaming
[03:51] <mushir> Jordan_U : no problem I think with programs that use ncurses .. any ideas ??
[03:55] <EriC^^> Eray: what do you want the downloaded files to have as permissions?
[03:56] <Jordan_U> mushir: What happens if you run /lib/recovery-mode/recovery-menu in a gnome-terminal window? At a tty?
[03:57] <Eray> EriC^^: because Apache. When I downloaded an image(for example a background), I need type "chmod". Without this Apache give 403 Forbidden
[03:57] <Jordan_U> mushir: Note, to quit recovery-menu simply select the "resume" option.
[03:59] <EriC^^> Eray: ok, if you're downloading the file somewhere, then type umask <opposite bits of what you want>, then start firefox, whatever you download will have those permissions, like umask 000 is as if you did chmod 777 after you downloaded the file
[03:59] <pavlos> Eray, what are the perms of the dir where images go?
[03:59] <jamie_> Im not sure if this is a computer bug or a linux build specific but, But live stream does not play correctly on fire fox
[04:00] <EriC^^> Eray: so open a terminal, type umask 000, then type firefox in the terminal
[04:00] <Eray> pavlos: /assets -> 777
[04:00] <Eray> EriC^^: Thank you, i'm trying... :)
[04:02] <Eray> EriC^^: same permission, 403 :(
[04:03] <daftykins> jamie_: you're going to have to be more specific
[04:03] <Plasmastar> FFFF
[04:03] <jamie_> daftykins: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130608
[04:04] <Eray> assets/: drwxrwxrwx assets/newly-dowloaded.png: -rw-r------
[04:04] <jamie_> daftykins: that sould explain it for the most part
[04:04] <toastee1> I have a really weird issue... just installed Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. my audio chipset is an Intel H61 and I'm using the HDMI output. Audio works fine the *second* time I test the speakers in System Settings, but not the first. Audio works fine in XBMC, but nowhere else on the system (Chrome, Firefox, etc.).. I've tried a bunch of different solutions like reinstalling alsa, killing pulseaudio, deleting pulseaudio config...can't figure it out. Any ideas?
[04:04] <daftykins> jamie_: considered taking it to mozilla's channels then? since it's not necessarily ubuntu at fault?
[04:04] <jamie_> daftykins: i am here from mozilla to ask... lol it might just be ubuntu
[04:05] <daftykins> jamie_: feel free to confirm cross-distro
[04:05] <daftykins> but a browser is a browser
[04:05] <EriC^^> Eray: you need it to be what perms?
[04:05] <Eray> EriC^^: 775
[04:05] <jamie_> daftykins: the firefox browser on ubuntu is ubuntu specific
[04:06] <daftykins> jamie_: only through some minor aesthetic extensions, disable them then test again. bet it won't change.
[04:06] <pavlos> Eray, make your umask 002
[04:06] <EriC^^> pavlos: apparently umask won't allow files to be executable upon creation
[04:06] <mac__> hy all.. my keyboard in ubuntu is constantly changin language inputs... helo wanted
[04:06] <mac__> hy all.. my keyboard in ubuntu is constantly changin language inputs... help wanted
[04:07] <jamie_> daftykins: okay, i was asking because this is not happening on windows according to another, and i cant seem to find anyone else currenrly that is on linux to see if its happening
[04:07] <Eray> EriC^^: Executable is not necessary, I think read is enough for Apache, maybe I'm wrong sorry
[04:09] <jamie_> daftykins: thanks anyway
[04:09] <daftykins> jamie_: well, the key variable there might be that flash is v16 on Windows whilst it's dead on Linux
[04:09] <EriC^^> Eray: try as pavlos suggested
[04:09] <daftykins> jamie_: could always hop in a few other distros channels and hope a kind soul will test whatever video this happens on?
[04:09] <jamie_> its any live stream
[04:10] <jamie_> but thanks
[04:10] <Jordan_U> jamie_: I'll try to test, but I'm currently using a more than decade old machine, so it's hard to tell if it would work anyway :)
[04:10] <jamie_> thanks
[04:10] <Eray> pavlos: When I type umask only its return 0002(002), I typed `umask 002` and tried download file from internet. Same permissions; -rw-r------
[04:11] <jahjah> yo
[04:11] <yoda> I know freebsd has mount_hfs in it but is there a package out there for linux that allows one to read/write/mount HFS/HFS+ i.e mac based files systems on a linux machine. I know I used mount_ntfs and ntfs tools for linux to work with windows based file systems
[04:11] <jahjah> yo im using x11vnc (as server) and bvnc (client, on android) to control youtube on my tv so i can watch from my bed without getting up.  but bvnc always wants to *try* to display flash's output, which its not fast enough for, and inevitably crashes it.  can i get bvnc to quit trying to display flash?  i can see what's going on via the tv.  i just need it to be a remote mouse and keyboard
[04:12] <Jordan_U> jamie_: It may be an issue with the older version of flash used by Firefox (but not Chrome/Chromium) on linux.
[04:12] <pavlos> Eray, stange since I did the same thing and my perm is 664
[04:13] <pavlos> *strange
[04:13] <jahjah> well on the phone when it tries to display the video, it skips alot of frames.  which is ok cause im watching it on the tv where it does not
[04:14] <mac__> hy all.. my keyboard in ubuntu is constantly changin language inputs... help wanted
[04:15] <jamie_> sorry to the person who was helping me, had to switch from my computer to my flame
[04:15] <antdedyet> hey, is there a laptop in the $300 range with a good ubuntu config?
[04:15] <Eray> pavlos: ahh, my fail.... :) I started browser again from terminal and now permissions is: -rw-rw-r-- . Thank you
[04:15] <pavlos> great!
[04:16] <Eray> pavlos: my last question :) is that umask `permanent` or i need type always ?
[04:16] <jahjah> i got this dell mini 9 for $100.  great at linux.  ironically sux @winblows (which it actually comes with)
[04:16] <jamie_> antdedyet: just about any other than a Mac or chrome book
[04:17] <jamie_> and Mac you might even be able to I s
[04:17] <jamie_> I don't mess with Macs
[04:17] <pavlos> Eray, I think you can set it up in your /etc/profile
[04:17] <antdedyet> ya, i was hoping to buy one with ubuntu pre-installed, but the market is pretty rare so i have collected. guess I will search the web.
[04:18] <antdedyet> how is Canonical doing? I haven't been in the news since 2010 or 2009
[04:18] <Eray> OK, thank you for all help, pavlos and EriC^^ . Have a nice day ^^
[04:18] <pavlos> Eray, see pam_umask(8)
[04:18] <Jordan_U> jamie_: I'm just getting a loop of commercials followed by a few seconds of "We'll be right back" screen at the moment.
[04:18] <yoda> so is there something for linux that allows one to read/write/mount ...etc mac file system format
[04:19] <jamie_> widows the circle pop up
[04:19] <degva> Hi guys, just executed this: sudo mkfs.vfat -I -n 'USB JL' /dev/sdb to a second partition by mistake which was ntfs and now I cannot access it
[04:19] <jahjah> u talking like drivers?  check forums mainly.  compile a list of laptops u want in ur price range and preference, then research them as far as driver difficulties and stuff
[04:19] <jahjah> really just drivers i think
[04:19] <jamie_> jordan_U: does a circle for buffering pop up randomly?
[04:20] <degva> Hope I can restore my files at least
[04:20] <Jordan_U> jamie_: I've gotten past the commercials now, and it does seem that I can reproduce the problem. And yes, I see a circle for buffering.
[04:20] <jahjah> usually i get secondhand computers and laptops and its like something wont work on original installation, but i look it up and find someone has already solved it.
[04:20] <siac> How to set the background of the panel in KDE? I don't like transparency in the panel
[04:21] <jahjah> oh.  trying to install ubuntu on a mac?  dunno.  once installed debian on an old macbook.  was cool until i tried to forcibly upgrade the hard drive.  but broke the whole frame trying to get to it
[04:21] <yoda> well sort of yes is there a file system driver for linux that can read and write ..mount  mac file systems like mount_hfs ...etc that bsd unix  has
[04:21] <jamie_> jordan_U: :) thanks, much abliged, I have been trying to finish this bug report all day, thanks
[04:22] <jahjah> i hate apple laptops anyway.  they try to make it impossible to upgrade them
[04:22] <kudu_> Just wondering… why the hell is BIND pre-installed on Ubuntu Server?
[04:22] <Jordan_U> jamie_: You're welcome. I'm trying to see if it works in Chrome or not.
[04:22] <daftykins> jahjah: #ubuntu-offtopic for more of the chat aspect, support only here :)
[04:22] <jamie_> jordan_U: by any chance do you know what version you are on and the channel?
[04:23] <jahjah> anyway im goin back to youtube.  guess ill just keep resetting the vnc over and over and over...
[04:24] <jamie_> jordan_U: this is much appricated
[04:25] <Jordan_U> jamie_: Mozilla Firefox 35.0.1, from Ubuntu 14.04 .
[04:26] <jamie_> okay that works, you are on 35.0.1 probably central channel
[04:26] <Jordan_U> jamie_: In Chrome that site claims that I don't have flash installed (which is incorrect). Doesn't seem like a great website. How would I confirm the "channel"?
[04:27] <jamie_> jordan_U: when you go into about Firefox from help tab it should say under the version
[04:28] <jamie_> jordan_U: the funny thing about this website is that it is one is the official Philly weather channels.. Lil
[04:28] <jamie_> lol
[04:31] <hehekid1> hello?
[04:31] <hehekid1> nobody talks much do they
[04:31] <jamie_> we do
[04:31] <antdedyet> yep
[04:31] <Jordan_U> jamie_: http://i.imgur.com/PX9Vi2Y.png
[04:33] <jamie_> jordan_U: .... duh... now I feel dumb... I just stated that there is a Firefox for ubuny
[04:33] <jamie_> and then forgot.. you are on the Ubuntu channel...
[04:35] <jamie_> jordan_U: thanks for the help, greatly appriciated
[04:36] <Jordan_U> jamie_: You're welcome. Thank you for working on the bug :)
[04:37] <some_goliard> Hello. I am on Ubuntu 10.04 on an x86 desktop PC. I want to upgrade to version 12.04 and 14.04, will apt-get dist-upgrade work ?
[04:37] <cfhowlett> some_goliard, yes
[04:37] <cfhowlett> some_goliard, wait, IF it's a server, yes
[04:37] <daftykins> some_goliard: it would make far more sense to backup and clean install.
[04:38] <jamie_> jordan_U: my goal is to makesure that it works just as well if not better on Ubuntu as it dose on windows
[04:38] <cfhowlett> some_goliard, so: end of life upgrade is one option: 10.04 > 12.04 OR .torrent the 12.04 iso and clean install
[04:38] <Jordan_U> some_goliard: cfhowlett: NO. "apt-get dist-upgrade" is not used for upgrading between Ubuntu releases.
[04:38] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | some_goliard
[04:38] <some_goliard> I am on desktop. I know it says only server for 10.04 in the topic
[04:38] <cfhowlett> Jordan_U, doh!!!! right.  dang.  gotta coffee.  thanks.  some_goliard sorry for giving bad advice
[04:38] <some_goliard> I lost my 12.04 CD and the machine was very old already so I though v10 was the right start
[04:39] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | some_goliard,
[04:40] <dark_apple> how can make mouase work?
[04:40] <meccooll> i added myself to a group but groups command still doesn't list it
[04:41] <dark_apple> mouase work on xp not work on ubuntu
[04:41] <Jordan_U> some_goliard: Going with older linux distributions for older hardware is almost never the right approach. That's the Windows/OSX approach. For GNU/Linux you should just look for lighter versions of up to date releases, like Lubuntu or Xubuntu. I can almost guarantee that the Xubuntu 14.04 laptop I'm using to talk to you right now is older and lower spec than what you're using :)
[04:41] <jamie_> jordan_U: this is gonna be added to the bug report, thanks again for the help im off for now to get back to firefox   p
[04:41] <Jordan_U> jamie_: You're welcome :)
[04:42] <dark_apple> why cant mouase work on ubuntu? :'(
[04:42] <cfhowlett> !mouse | dark_apple
[04:42] <some_goliard> Nevermind everyone, the update manage finally caught up to the existence of 12.04 and is now prompting me for an OS upgrade
[04:43] <dark_apple> i will get virus on link? please not install virus
[04:43] <dark_apple> omg, i'm so drunk! i don't even have a mouse! hehe
[04:43] <cfhowlett> dark_apple, come back when you are sober so we don't waste peoples time.
[04:44] <dark_apple> um... ok
[04:44] <some_goliard> and also, I know this is not the best approach for I am not operating in the best conditions right now. Normally I would have a 12.04 cd
[04:44] <dark_apple> bye all!
[04:44] <pavlos> meccooll, pop another term and try groups
[04:44] <cfhowlett> some_goliard, understood.  Jordan_U advised you to look at lubuntu/xubuntu for your older hardware.  I tend to agree.
[04:44] <Jordan_U> some_goliard: If you were going to install rather than upgrading I would definitely just install Ubuntu 14.04 and not bother with 12.04.
[04:45] <meccooll> 9107hm
[04:45] <some_goliard> 14.04 has not quite passed the test yet as far as I am concerned
[04:46] <some_goliard> although I'm using it on my laptop right now
[04:46] <daftykins> some_goliard: well do be sure to phone Canonical when it does, i'm sure they'll be thrilled :)
[04:47] <some_goliard> there is a reason there are many supported LTS versions at the same time
[04:51] <consolidated> my 14.04 install is now depressed...
[04:51] <consolidated> feels like it's failed
[04:51] <Jordan_U> some_goliard: Yes. People who tend to want to run LTS releases also tend to want to be able to plan their upgrades long in advance. If there weren't large overlap between support for LTS releases then users would only have a small window to upgrade in.
[04:57] <some_goliard> While I'm here, I seem to have disabled the Alt+Tab feature. I'm in Ubuntu 14.04, under Gnome-classics
[05:00] <meccooll> pavlos, "meccooll, pop another term and try groups" huh
[05:05] <pavlos> meccooll, start another terminal and then type 'groups' in response to ... i added myself to a group but groups command still doesn't list it
[05:05] <ianorlin> pavlos, have you logged out and logged back in?
[05:06] <pavlos> ianorlin, no
[05:06] <ianorlin> you need to do that for group changes to happen
[05:20] <retroispresto> How do I edit the .bash_history or .history so It doesn't keep any record of the edits (including time)
[05:21] <nick___> when I run "file bzImage" I get the following message: "bzImage: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.10.18 (tom@i7) #2 SMP Fri Feb 6 00:14:45 EST 2015, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x4, Normal VGA" .. what does the #2 before SMP mean?
[05:23] <NotErik2> Qhatip
[05:23] <NotErik2> Whattuop
[05:23] <NotErik2> In drumk
[05:24] <NotErik2> Fuck
[05:24] <daftykins> NotErik2: take it elsewhere then please.
[05:24] <daftykins> no drunks in #ubuntu :)
[05:24] <NotErik2> Okay mommy
[05:24] <retroispresto> o.o
[05:24] <NotErik2> Whatcha all wanna talk about?
[05:25] <NotErik2> Best porno?
[05:25] <daftykins> NotErik2: nothing. chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic. BETTER people than you have tried, beleve me.
[05:25] <daftykins> believe too
[05:25] <NotErik2> Fine ill go there im new to irc
[05:25] <daftykins> wise move
[05:26] <NotErik2> Im lonely i just want someone to talk with
[05:26] <daftykins> bye bye
[05:26] <NotErik2> Fuck you
[05:26] <daftykins> well now, that's not polite
[05:26] <daftykins> yay \o/
[05:28] <some_goliard> bye.
[05:37] <mushir> Still looking for solution and still no use : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNYIe9zlMQ&feature=youtu.be
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> mushir: did you try failsafeX or fix broken packages?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !recovery | mushir
[05:40] <nuget102> Hey, can anyone help me a bit? :p
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: if you ask your issue mate
[05:41] <nuget102> My girlfriend recently updated her linux (ubuntu of course) up to 14.04 and now the bluetooth isn't working. I've looked in the bios and it's enabled there but in the bluetooth settings on linux it doesn't give us the option to turn it on.
[05:41] <nuget102> I've been searching around but I haven't really found anything that fixes it so far.
[05:42] <mushir> lotuspsychje : my problem is navigating through recovery mode options the screen turns black and freezes!
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: additional drivers sections show anything usefull?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> mushir: ubuntu version?
[05:42] <mushir> 14.04 LLTS
[05:42] <nuget102> Nope, noting in additional drivers that looks like could be the cause. Let me check again though.
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !bluetooth | nuget102
[05:43] <nuget102> Thanks, I'll look through that real fast.
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> mushir: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[05:43] <mushir> intel GMA 3000
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> mushir: did you install ubuntu with internet/updates enabled?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: doublecheck also dmesg and syslog logs, for bluetooth usefull errors
[05:45] <mushir> no I believe I didn't .. but I never had this problem for 4 months
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> mushir: recently updated?
[05:46] <mushir> yes
[05:47] <nuget102> So uh, it says with dell laptops I need to go through windows and install drivers on windows....?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> mushir: graphics driver might have corrupted system
[05:47] <nuget102> For it to work with linux...?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: i never tested this myself, but if the page says so..
[05:47] <mushir> lotuspsychje : so you are telling me I have to reinstall??
[05:48] <nuget102> Well, that's a problem.. Guess I'll have to live without bluetooth...
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> mushir: well to be sure wich driver check sudo lshw -C video first
[05:48] <nuget102> I'll still try following what rest of the page says to do, but the problem is I don't have windows... xD
[05:48] <nuget102> Well, my girlfriend doesn't.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: thats a good thing :p
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: i would concentrate on your logs, and see if anything usefull shows there
[05:50] <nuget102> Yea, I'm trying to follow that installation guide but uh...
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> mushir: this is what i would do, reinstall 14.04 fresh with internet/updates enabled and compare graphics drivers from the one now
[05:50] <nuget102> I've hit a wall.. It's not showing my bluetooth device :P
[05:50] <nuget102> Oh woops, I was looking at 10.04...
[05:51] <mushir> *-display
[05:51] <mushir>        description: VGA compatible controller
[05:51] <mushir>        product: 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller
[05:51] <mushir>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[05:51] <mushir>        physical id: 2
[05:51] <mushir>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: did you also check your startup items for bluetooth to start?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> mushir: check the lines behind driver=
[05:51] <nuget102> I actually don't know how to look at startup items.
[05:52] <nuget102> It's been about a year since I last used linux, my girlfriend's been using it more than me...
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: there'a an icon for it startup items
[05:52] <nuget102> blueman applet?
[05:52] <mushir> resources: irq:42 memory:d0000000-d00fffff memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:1c20(size=8)
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: paste this in your terminal to see full startup items list: sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g" /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> mushir: what does lshw -C video say after line driver=
[05:54] <nuget102> loutuspsychje: That brought up nothing
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> nuget102: no not the blueman, your dash icon left corner up, then search for startup items icon
[05:54] <nuget102> Wait oh
[05:54] <nuget102> It did sorry :P
[05:54] <mushir>  driver=i915 latency=0
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> mushir: ok, i would try a fresh 14.04 reinstall
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> mushir: maybe your system has leftovers from previous ubuntu?
[05:55] <dingus1> what desktop is he using?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> dingus1: unity, 14.04
[05:55] <mushir> lotuspsychje : I really don't want to reinstall as I made a lot of customizations and updates
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> mushir: if recoverymode cant help you out...
[05:56] <dingus1> the paste this in a terminal equals zero output for me.
[05:56] <dingus1> I am running LXDE and it does not have a menu for startup?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> mushir: try that fix broken packages option in recoverymode
[05:58] <dingus1> oops, I am running ubuntu 14.10
[05:58] <dingus1> it is kinda different.
[05:58] <mushir> lotuspsychje : perhaps you didn't get me ! this my problem man... i cna't use ANY options in revovery mode
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> mushir: if you cant boot into recovery options anymore, i would go for reinstall
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> mushir: can you access a terminal from recovery?
[06:00] <mushir> no
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> mushir: then try a nomodeset maybe
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | mushir
[06:01] <mushir> ubottu : I will check and see
[06:01] <daftykins> hehe :>
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:02] <dingus1> I love ubottu.
[06:09] <divBy0> hey, im trying to set up shortcuts so applications run from the search menu and i dont have to run from terminal. someone pointed this out to me, but its for gnome and im on unity. suggestions?
[06:09] <divBy0> https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html
[06:10] <MuffinMedic> Is there a way to do a grep search for distinct?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> divBy0: not really what you ask, but there's a handy classicmenu-indicator for unity
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator | divBy0
[06:13] <divBy0> :/
[06:14] <avis> how do i change folder colors in ubuntu 14.04 ?
[06:14] <avis> gnome-icon-theme no longer works for that
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !themes | avis
[06:15] <ravi> Hi, anybody know which is the best ftp?
[06:15] <divBy0> avis: i use an installed theme wit unity tweak tool
[06:16] <divBy0> avis: then you can extract the .gresource files and edit individual colors or just load folder packs
[06:16] <divBy0> ravi: my favorite has always been filezilla
[06:16] <neoark> what is syntax for adding addtional ipv6?
[06:17] <ravi> thanks divBy0
[06:17] <divBy0> !filezilla | ravi
[06:17] <neoark> i tried up /sbin/ip -6 addr add but doesn't bring up ipv6
[06:17] <divBy0> welcome ravi
[06:22] <AndroUser> Hello all, this is a test, am i visible here?
[06:23] <SchrodingersScat> AndroUser: received
[06:23] <AndroUser> Thank you SchrodingerScat
[06:24] <daftykins> use #test in future
[06:26] <SchrodingersScat> !test
[06:29] <usr0> Guys is this possible to forward a port through proxy-connection?
[06:29] <daftykins> a proxy is typically for HTTP traffic
[06:30] <daftykins> ports are forwarded over VPNs, not proxies
[06:31] <usr0> daftykins: I've heard that SOCKS is able to work with any type of traffic
[06:31] <daftykins> if so, you could've done it by now in the time it's taken to discuss it :)
[06:33] <SchrodingersScat> usr0: is 'reverse tunnel' something like what you want?
[06:33] <SchrodingersScat> !ssh
[06:34] <usr0> SchrodingersScat: well, maybe :-). I'll try it.
[06:36] <SchrodingersScat> usr0: not sure what you're actually trying to do.
[06:41] <usr0> SchrodingersScat: i have two machines with different default gateways. On the first machine I have a program. For example torrent client. But it's default gateway has grey IP thus no one can establish connection to this machine from the Internet
[06:42] <usr0> So I use the second machine with white IP. I forwarded a port to the first machine, but it doesn't work because of different default gateway
[06:43] <daftykins> you should probably be in ##networking for that one
[06:44] <usr0> As far as I understand, other computers try to connect to the 1st machine through it's default gateway but not through the second's one.
[06:45] <django> usr0: assuming your routes are correctly set up, you should be able to use iptables to forward it. If I understood your case scenario.
[06:46] <usr0> Yes, I use iptables
[06:53] <Qwertie> Hi
[06:58] <freeroute> !search steam
[06:58] <freeroute> !search precise steam
[06:59] <freeroute> -_-
[06:59] <freeroute> so there's no steam for precise?
[07:05] <Deep6> hey guys, is this the support channel or snappy as well?
[07:05] <daftykins> nah
[07:05] <daftykins> think it has its' own
[07:06] <Vyom> Deep6: Just support.. no fun... for fun goto #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:08] <Deep6> daftykins: do you know it?
[07:08] <Deep6> or can anyone here point me to a channel for it, can't do a cli setup of my wireless on snappy
[07:09] <daftykins> i'd have said it if i do
[07:09] <daftykins> !alis
[07:09] <daftykins> try this
[07:09] <Flannel> Deep6: Try #snappy  There's 64 people there, so it doesn't look dead!
[07:10] <glogic> Unless they're all idling. :)
[07:11] <Qwertie> How do I find the key for home folder encryption?
[07:11] <Deep6>  /join #snappy
[07:11] <Deep6> oops
[07:21] <divBy0> im running into some backup errors with deja dup. they appear to be simple permissions issues but are they safe to change
[07:21] <divBy0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10104961/
[07:26] <billyJoe> kali
[07:26] <billyJoe> linux rules
[07:26] <cfhowlett> !kali | billyJoe
[07:31] <knoppix> hola
[07:37] <kudu_> I'm trying to run deluged; the service says it starts, but the status says it isn't running
[07:38] <cfhowlett> kudu_, start from command line, observe errors
[07:39] <jayjo> Im reading grep docs, how do I search an entire directory for a string?
[07:39] <jayjo> i keep geting "is a directory"
[07:39] <jayjo> -r didn't work
[07:39] <jayjo> it just spit a whole bunch out
[07:39] <jayjo> sorry
[07:40] <kudu_> cfhowlett: there are now
[07:40] <agent_white> jayjo: `grep -rnw /path/to/some/dir -e "yourstring"`
[07:40] <kudu_> *none
[07:40] <kudu_> `deluged` runs fine from the proper user
[07:59] <Dat> where can I get the apt deb for ubuntu ?
[08:00] <cfhowlett> Dat, ubuntu is composed of hundreds of .debs ... clarify.
[08:13] <Dat> where can I download the apt deb from for you ubunntu?
[08:14] <cfhowlett> Dat, sudo apt-get install aptitude
[08:14] <Dat> apt-get no such command
[08:14] <cfhowlett> dat apt-get INSTALL
[08:15] <Dat> apt-get no such command
[08:16] <mach20x> What application would I need to create and manage a mesh network across a multitude of devices securely?
[08:16] <cfhowlett> mach20x, maybe ask in #ubuntu-server          ?  if no answer here, that is
[08:16] <mach20x> to install not create, but you know it's been on my mind
[08:16] <mach20x> ok
[08:17] <Dat> so no locate to the apt or apt-get deb?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> Dat, lsb_release -a
[08:18] <Dat> lsb_release: Command not found.
[08:18] <cfhowlett> Dat, you are not using ubuntu
[08:19] <Dat> i am
[08:19] <Dat> I use 12.04
[08:19] <Dat> 32bit
[08:20] <cfhowlett> !info apt | dat
[08:29] <divBy0> any recommendations for best free cloud storage with most space?
[08:30] <Dat> hrmm
[08:30] <cfhowlett> divBy0, DIY = owncloud
[08:30] <Dat> i think I will just reinstall the system
[08:32] <mach20x> what is the apt-get command for divBy0?
[08:34] <divBy0> cfhowlett: thanks. i think last time you recommended it but it wasn't make sense to me what you were saying... this looks really good ill check it out
[08:35] <cfhowlett> divBy0, sorry I was unclear.  wait 1 --- I'll see if there's a wiki.  for reference: DIY means "do it yourself"
[08:36] <divBy0> cfhowlett: oh ok thanks
[08:36] <cfhowlett> divBy0, www.owncloud.org
[08:51] <mach20x> whats the best app on ubuntu for communication with my android device? it is not recognizing it as being connected in the USB interface.
[08:52] <stangeland> My machines are running really slow and i am suspecting it is because of memory is full. When i run free -m i get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10105939/  so 156MB free.....So there is still something left...but i still think thats the problem....is there any way to see how much time is spent on swapping memory?
[08:55] <MrElendig> stangeland: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[08:55] <MrElendig> stangeland: you are looking at the wrong number
[08:56] <MrElendig> you have 13451MiB free
[08:56] <MrElendig> I wish ubuntu would update its util-linux already, the new one have a less confusing format
[08:57] <glogic> stangeland: Consider also your desktop environment. Heavier (prettier ones with effects) will use more resources and contribute to perceived slowdown.
[08:58] <stangeland> glogic, i dont terminal only. its a server
[08:58] <Tzunamii> heh
[08:58] <agent_white> mach20x: Personally, I found most ways connecting it to be too annoying and just installed SSHDroid on my android so I could just ssh into it :)
[08:59] <glogic> stangeland: then you can safely ignore my comment. :D
[08:59] <stangeland> MrElendig, mmm ok what is the 156 mb then?
[08:59] <MrElendig> stangeland: free as in not used for anything
[08:59] <MrElendig> stangeland: read the link :p
[09:00] <jishjish> hi all, I want to move a family member to linux. My only issue is a program called family tree maker 6 for windows. I can't work out a linux program that would be able to read files for that. Can anyone recommend a genealogy program for linux whis is easy to use?
[09:00] <mach20x> agent_white: A good idea as any I suppose
[09:00] <MrElendig> a UML editor would work, but be less fancy
[09:01] <Flannel> jishjish: gramps https://gramps-project.org/
[09:01] <stangeland> MrElendig, hmm i see...i wonder why its so insanely slow then
[09:02] <MrElendig> else google says eg http://en.ancestris.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[09:02] <MrElendig> stangeland: iotop, htop, atop and so on
[09:02] <ErC2> hi
[09:02] <MrElendig> stangeland: define "slow" btw
[09:03] <stangeland> MrElendig, slow as in the processes running on it takes forever to finish
[09:03] <agent_white> mach20x: Yeah I just got annoyed tinkering with udev rules, getting the device to use MTP, etc.  There may be other options out there, but the SSHDroid route is simple and works :)
[09:04] <ErC2> I want to ask something about font named 'Technic'. It seem that Ubuntu cant show the font . here the link for the font .
[09:04] <MrElendig> mach20x: cifs
[09:04] <ErC2> Any suggestion from people here ?
[09:04] <MrElendig> mach20x: if you just want file transfer
[09:04] <MrElendig> mach20x: or bt
[09:04] <mach20x> MTP seems to work fine I'm trying to make a key sync though
[09:04] <ErC2> sorry here the link http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/1196841855_technic.html
[09:05] <mach20x> MTP doesn't quite cut the mustard, as I can't get to the storage I need for this transaction
[09:07] <mach20x> I'm thinking I will have to use ADB, but I'm not sure of the CLI command I need to use to get it to interface
[09:11] <ErC2> Anybody ?
[09:11] <lug205> bonjour
[09:12] <zabra> szia
[09:12] <corp002hu> hy, I have a little problem. I do not have sound in may laptop. Here running lubuntu, 32 bit. in the alsamixer all option is max. anybody idea?
[09:13] <corp002hu> sorry my bad english, im a hungaryan
[09:13] <agent_white> ErC2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Manually
[09:14] <cfhowlett> !hungarian | corp002hu
[09:15] <jishjish> thanks MrElendig and Flannel for suggesting gramps and ancestris. I will try those out.
[09:15] <corp002hu> I try, but no one reply me
[09:17] <cfhowlett> mach20x, android-tools-adb
[09:21] <ch4rl3y> hi
[09:22] <ErC2> I have installed the Font but it still appear as rectangle . Here the snapshot https://www.dropbox.com/s/dku8gz1p10sfhi7/Font.jpg?dl=0
[09:30] <ErC2> is it only at my ubuntu or someone's ubuntu cant show the font too ?
[09:31] <idundidit> ErC2, I searched for your font on the net, interestingly I found a website which displays it in all squares like your charmap.
[09:31] <idundidit> http://font-db.com/font/technic/55217
[09:32] <idundidit> ErC2, several sites do http://fontsgeek.com/fonts/Technic-Regular
[09:33] <jishjish> one other thing is stopping me moving a family member from windows to ubuntu. They use telstra bigpond email on windows. I don't know if I should tell them just to A) forget that email and setup a webmail account like Google. Or if there are some instructions somewhere so I could create a gmail account and get Gmail to pull the emails from bigpond.
[09:33] <jishjish>  (only problem with option B) is when I did this for hotmail it suddenly stopped working one day. Anyone have any ideas on the best way to approach this?
[09:34] <cfhowlett> jishjish, ubuntu + virtualbox + windows + windows apps = win
[09:34] <byte> moin
[09:34] <idundidit> cfhowlett, that's unnecessary complications for someone who just wants a working computer
[09:35] <cfhowlett> idundidit, feel free to provide the alternative
[09:35] <jishjish> cfhowlett: I would prefer to just be using ubuntu, but yes I am aware that is an option.
[09:35] <idundidit> I would try, but I've never even heard of telstra bigpond email before.
[09:35] <jishjish> maybe telling them to scrap their current email which is non webmail is the easiest, then I can set them up a Gmail on ubuntu or a chromebook.
[09:36] <idundidit> Or maybe Windows is more suited for them? What's the situation for migrating anyways?
[09:36] <jishjish> I guess I can call telstra, though I've never found them to be very technical so I don't know if they could help.
[09:37] <jishjish> well they are wanting a new computer and I feel once something like an ubuntu or a chromebook is setup they won't have to worry about windows and viruses, and they only really use it for 1) photos, 2) web browsing 3) genealogy
[09:39] <jishjish> I feel like using linux will A) use less resources and B) the laptop can be smaller and lighter for them and C) there will be less they can stuff up amd D) linux doesn't stuff up over time like windows n registry.
[09:40] <jishjish> idundidit: Thoughts? Do you agree?
[09:40] <idundidit> Yes, if it's cost efficient and can help their productivity.
[09:41] <idundidit> If it's a hassle/big learning curve, or slows them down, then not necessarily.
[09:41] <idundidit> There's always a learning curve when migrating from Windows or OSX to a Linux based system.
[09:42] <jishjish> This is true I guess I can try it and see how easily they pick it up.
[09:42] <cfhowlett> idundidit, true when migrating  from ANY OS to a different OS
[09:42] <idundidit> For personal use I would always advocate the migration, but when setting it up for someone else it's kind of a tricky situation. Very dependent on the person themselves.
[09:44] <idundidit> jishjish, try getting a bigpond account working in Thunderbird or Evolution?
[09:44] <idundidit> Supposedly someone had it working as recently as 06-10-2014 http://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/Bigpond-Email-Inc-Windows-Live/Sending-mail-from-Thunderbird-no-longer-works/td-p/309591
[09:45] <jishjish> idundidit: That's a great Idea!! Thanks :)  I always have the same problem, if it;s for someone else it's so much harder. I think if I can show them how this linux or other OS way works it would be better than just telling them about it.
[09:45] <idundidit> jishjish, create them an active live USB and let them try it for a week. See how they feel about it. Best possible scenario IMO.
[09:46] <YasserGersy> t
[09:46] <YasserGersy> list
[09:46] <YasserGersy> ;)
[09:47] <jishjish> idundidit: Live USB is a great Idea.  I want to say unetbootin supported it, but I'm not 100% sure.
[09:49] <jishjish> ooo this feature sounds great, does it work with most distributions, i.e. ubuntu or is it only for certain ones?
[09:49] <idundidit> All.
[09:49] <idundidit> It's called Persistence I believe.
[09:50] <cfhowlett> !persistence
[09:50] <idundidit> ^^
[09:53] <idundidit> If you have several USB drives you could also let them test a couple different distros. I would suggest a few different desktops, KDE seems to be the easiest for new users to migrate to.  :) I need the most out ouf the box ready dist for web development. What can you recommend?
[09:53] <jishjish> oooo Thanks idundidit cfhowlett
[09:53] <idundidit> Ilhami, Gimp, Inkscape, Gedit.
[09:53] <cfhowlett> jishjish, happy2help
[09:53] <idundidit> no problem jishjish
[09:53] <Ilhami> idundidit, what?
[09:54] <Ilhami> I wanted a dist. You are recommending software
[09:54] <Ilhami> lol
[09:54] <Ilhami> I mean applications*
[09:54] <idundidit> Oh, my bad
[09:54] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, um ... ubuntu?
[09:54] <Ilhami> Yeah but I don't want Unity.
[09:54] <idundidit> Ilhami, https://spins.fedoraproject.org/design/
[09:55] <jishjish> Ilhami: most distro come with a text editor and browser? what other things would you personally want? - I ask because I wan't to get into web development and user experience design particularly.
[09:55] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, ubuntustudio ... graphic design
[09:55] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, you *could* add that to your present ubuntu with sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-design
[09:56] <Ilhami> cfhowlett, I am considering Ubuntu seriously.
[09:56] <idundidit> I prefer Fedora myself, but I started out on Ubuntu. So either are great.
[09:56] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, fedora design spin is also an interesting alternative
[09:57] <Ilhami> I am going to erase my disk and start all over :)
[09:57] <idundidit> Gnome 3 is really great for productivity. Easy to switch between multiple workspaces, lots of screen space.
[09:58] <Ilhami> Yes. I want Gnome 3
[09:58] <Ilhami> I miss it.
[09:58] <dns53> you know it is just an apt-get away
[09:58] <Ilhami> dns53, :) yeah I just love it man.. but I need to get rid of this Windows 8.1.. I just have a lot of stuff on it I need to backup first
[09:58] <Ilhami> hehe
[09:59] <idundidit> Ilhami, back it up as a virtual device and then run it in virtualbox?
[10:00] <Ilhami> you mean I should back windows up in a virtual device and run in virtualbox later?
[10:00] <jishjish> idundidit: that sounds really cool, how on earth do you do that?
[10:00] <bitnumus> Hi, how do you remove the "system problem detected" popup in ubuntu? i have a log of the issue from syslog, but can't find any "fix" so just want to stop the bloody popup!
[10:00] <idundidit> Yes. There's tools to do it
[10:01] <Ilhami> idundidit, show us
[10:01] <idundidit> With imaging programs, let me find one
[10:01] <jishjish> i think dd actually can create a complete image of windows.
[10:02] <jishjish> you could just copy it onto a spare hdd and plug it in if you need it ever.
[10:02] <dns53> yes, dd will image a hard disk and you can boot it in a vm
[10:02] <Ilhami> dd is a linux tool right?
[10:02] <dns53> not the best use of space (vm's can sparsely create an image)
[10:03] <dns53> yes, dd is a tool that will copy byte for byte a hard disk from start to finish
[10:03] <Ilhami> dns53, so can I do that from a VM?
[10:03] <Ilhami> Because right now my host OS is windows
[10:03] <idundidit> VMware vCenter Converter is what I used.
[10:03] <idundidit> "VMware provides a free utility called VMware vCenter Converter for physical to virtual machine conversions. It has the ability to create a VMware Disk image of the entire system, including installed drives, local drives, configured hardware and software components, installed applications and more."
 Anyone know if it's possible to say work in a virtual machine and configure an OS, and then move it to a physical machine?
[10:05] <Ilhami> oh it's free.
[10:05] <idundidit> jishjish, yes, you can do that with a ghosting program
[10:05] <idundidit> You can get a lot of driver errors and stuff though. Unless you test it thoroughly.
[10:05] <idundidit> At least when I used to ghost Windows clones back in the day
[10:06] <jishjish> idundidit: oh ok, from what I understand there are tools to convert physical to virtual, but not many if ay to convert virtual to put on a physical machine
[10:06] <idundidit> School districts and other large companies do that when they want all of their new computers set up identically.
[10:06] <dns53> you could use clonezilla to copy a hard disk
[10:06] <Ilhami> stop confusing me guys.
[10:06] <Ilhami> just mention one tool
[10:06] <Ilhami> and I will use that
[10:06] <idundidit> Ilhami, vmware
[10:07] <Ilhami> so vmware can take an image of my host os
[10:07] <idundidit> yes, the vcenter converter tool
[10:07] <Ilhami> and convert it into a virtual disk file
[10:07] <idundidit> At least it works on Windows.
[10:07] <Ilhami> ok cool.
[10:07] <idundidit> On Linux I've never tried.
[10:07] <idundidit> VMware also runs on Linux though, so you can use your virtualized host inside of Linux.
[10:07] <idundidit> And it's free
[10:08] <idundidit> Not Free and Open Source, but free as in doesn't cost $
[10:08] <Ilhami> VmWare is not free.
[10:08] <idundidit> Yes it is
[10:08] <dns53> vmware server is, vmware desktop is expensice
[10:08] <Ilhami> only few of their products are
[10:08] <dns53> expensive
[10:08] <Ilhami> let me use clonezilla.
[10:09] <Ilhami> I am not even sure if virtualbox can run vmware disks
[10:09] <idundidit> vmware player is free. They just do a good job at hiding it on their website
[10:09] <idundidit> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/free#desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_player/7_0
[10:09] <dns53> it can, and there are ways of converting between formats
[10:10] <Ilhami> dns53, also without corrupting the disk?
[10:10] <Ilhami> I hope so.
[10:10] <idundidit> Make a backup, or stick with VMWare player if you don't have enough space
[10:10] <jishjish> dns53: I've not been able to successfully convert between formats I'd love to hear what you used.
[10:10] <dns53> Ilhami yes, the disk format is known so you can convert a vmware disk to a virtualbox, qemu or other disk format
[10:10] <idundidit> it works on Linux, and is free
[10:11] <Ilhami> so let me take one step at a time. I will my most important files on onedrive or dropbox just in case.
[10:11] <Ilhami> I will store*
[10:14] <idundidit> Ilhami, which web design tools do you currently use on Windows?
[10:14] <Ilhami> I dont use web design tools. I use text editors like Sublime
[10:14] <idundidit> :O Not Notepad++?
[10:14] <idundidit> Blasphemy!
[10:14] <Ilhami> no!
[10:14] <Ilhami> definitely not notepad++
[10:14] <jishjish> Ilhami: do yo use any other tools in addition to text editor?
[10:15] <jishjish> * and browser?
[10:15] <Ilhami> composer :P
[10:15] <Ilhami> but thats for php
[10:15] <idundidit> No photoshop? Fireworks? Illustrator?
[10:15] <Ilhami> nope.
[10:15] <Ilhami> I am not a designer.
[10:15] <Ilhami> I use gimp sometimes.
[10:16] <Ilhami> and Inkscape
[10:16] <agent_white> Using dd inside a VM... sounds... troublesome. I could be wayyy off, but ehhh.
[10:16] <idundidit> <3 Inkscape
[10:16] <dreaded> +1 for Sublime
[10:16] <Ilhami> and vim sometimes.
[10:16] <Ilhami> :)
[10:16] <idundidit> vim is nice
[10:16] <idundidit> I hate emacs
[10:16] <Ilhami> :D
[10:16] <agent_white> I love vim.
[10:17] <Ilhami> I am not good at using it though.. so I still stick to Sublime sometimes.
[10:17] <agent_white> After I began to use it... now I use i3 with vim bindings, cvim in chromium, and vim binds for irssi/weechat.
[10:17] <agent_white> zathura for pdfs (has vim binds)... <3
[10:17] <Ilhami> I also use git bash on windows
[10:17] <Ilhami> horrible
[10:17] <dreaded> vim is powerful
[10:18] <agent_white> People who don't use vim/emacs make  them out to be harder than they are  I feel :) People who use both encourage them.
[10:18] <Ilhami> I have used Filezilla a lot.
[10:18] <Ilhami> but FTP.. uggghh
[10:18] <agent_white> Ilhami: And... mmm... Sublime does have vim-bindings... you know... if you want to... ;)
[10:19] <Ilhami> agent_white, I didn't know that :)
[10:19] <siva> #drupal-vdd
[10:19] <idundidit> gedit, #thuglife
[10:20] <Ilhami> the reason I am moving over to Linux is that this windows os has become so slow.
[10:20] <Ilhami> Linux is just fast :)
[10:20] <Ilhami> and gives more freedom.
[10:20] <idundidit> Windows likes becoming slow
[10:20] <keevitaja> hi, can you recommend gmail notifier for unity? the one you know that works!
[10:20] <idundidit> dat registry doe
[10:20] <Ilhami> idundidit, exactly.  It's insanely powerful.
[10:21] <Ilhami> idundidit, Register to download your Free Product
[10:21] <Ilhami> Thanks idundidit  :/
[10:22] <Ilhami> I have to register now!
[10:22] <agent_white> Avoid GUI where you can, and you'll gain knowledge that traverses *nix OS's.
[10:22] <penguinman> keevitaja, well, there's evolution. the gnome 3 clinet. think it runs ok on unity.
[10:22] <Ilhami> for the VMWare
[10:22] <idundidit> Ilhami, lol try bugmenot.com
[10:23] <penguinman> i use different mail services tho, plus my own mail server so a regular gmail notifier doesn't exactly fit my needs.
[10:23] <keevitaja> i have 14.04 lts
[10:23] <Ilhami> I will use one of those disposable mails
[10:23] <Ilhami> :D
[10:23] <idundidit> :P
[10:24] <idundidit> Learning CLI is very important, because there are times when the GUI goes down, and you need to know how to fix it.
[10:24] <idundidit> Especially if you like to tinker.
[10:24] <penguinman> plus certain things are just faster in a command line.
[10:24] <agent_white> Or more importantly, the fact that avoiding the GUI means you'll be that much more efficient at just getting things done without the crutch of a GUI.
[10:24] <Ilhami> dude it wants all kind of information about me. I thought it was just the email. Now it wants address and all that
[10:24] <idundidit> I can't tell you how many times I've broken my system after installing a new driver.
[10:25] <idundidit> Ilhami, use bugmenot.com
[10:25] <agent_white> Need to remote into a server and work? NO biggie. ;)  Actually is the reason I use vim as my primary editor... it is everywhere I go.
[10:25] <penguinman> honestly, part of the reason I like unity is the Alt menu search.
[10:25] <idundidit> All about dat VNC
[10:26] <Ilhami> This bugmenot is an amazing concept :P
[10:26] <Ilhami> hahaha
[10:26] <idundidit> It's been around for yeaaaaaaars, and I've used it for years.
[10:26] <Ilhami> Thanks man. It worked! :)
[10:26] <penguinman> nah, give me a ssh prompt anyday.
[10:26] <idundidit> No problem ;)
[10:27] <idundidit> I will launch a VNC session with your ssh prompt, penguinman
[10:27] <Ilhami> I am going to love Gnome3.
[10:27] <idundidit> Gnome3 da bes.
[10:27] <agent_white> Pfft, I'll avoid that overhead of VNC and just ssh ;D
[10:27] <penguinman> sure, but ssh is better when I'm remoting in from my phone.
[10:27] <penguinman> which I do quite often actually.
[10:28] <agent_white> VNC assumes you have x11-forwarding setup on your machine... which, if they are servers or otherwise, will almost definitely not have.
[10:28] <agent_white> Why use the bloat? ssh is lean and mean ;D
[10:29] <Ilhami> 168 MB for the Vmware tool :P
[10:30] <Ilhami> brb
[10:30] <jishjish> agent_white: I am interested to learn how to setup and use ssh, and I am a complete beginner to ssh. can you recommend anywhere?
[10:30] <agent_white> jishjish: I would highly recommend the Ubuntu as well as Arch Linux documentation on it.
[10:31] <agent_white> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring   as well as https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell
[10:32] <agent_white> Though, both assume you know the _basics_ of SSH. For a more general introduction on the "who/what/why"
[10:32] <Ilhami> what do you guys use as an alternative for Office?
[10:32] <agent_white> http://csce.uark.edu/~kal/info/private/ssh/ch01_01.htm
[10:32] <idundidit> Ilhami, my Gnome3 setup :) http://a.pomf.se/jzuaok.png
[10:32] <jatt> TeX
[10:32] <idundidit> Ilhami, libreoffice
[10:32] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, libreoffice for the win
[10:32] <agent_white> Ilhami: I used to use libreoffice (successor to openoffice), but now I just use googledocs :P
[10:32] <jatt> hm
[10:32] <Ilhami> well I also heard there is something called Office Online now.
[10:32] <Ilhami> it's like Google Docs lol
[10:33] <penguinman> yeah, google docs is really nice, especially if you do anything from a chromebook.
[10:33] <agent_white> I live in the rural-country, so bandwidth comes at a cost ;)
[10:33] <idundidit> Open Document Format. Cheeeeeeeah!
[10:33] <Ahti> People connecting to their SSH servers from phone, assuming android. What do you use to make it more "useable", default keyboards and typing commands with flags, etc is a pain on touch screen
[10:33] <Ilhami>  idundidit I love it :)
[10:33] <Ilhami> it's so neat
[10:33] <penguinman> main thing is get a better keyboard app.
[10:33] <idundidit> ty
[10:33] <Ilhami> :P if I can have that theme it would be awesome!!!
[10:33] <Ahti> ie?
[10:34] <agent_white> Ahti: There's not too much you can do... "hacker keyboard" kinda helps in keeping useful keys 'closer' to access.
[10:34] <idundidit> Ilhami, numix-circle icon pack
[10:34] <penguinman> Ahti, try an app called Hacker's Keyboard. gives you a full keyboard layout in landscape, including arrow keys and tab.
[10:34] <agent_white> ^
[10:34] <Ilhami> idundidit, :P tell me later when I have Ubuntu installed.
[10:34] <idundidit> Or Fedora. :D
[10:34] <Ahti> Alrighty, thanks guise. I'll check it out
[10:35] <Ilhami> but is Fedora arch based?
[10:35] <idundidit> no lol
[10:35] <Ilhami> oh
[10:35] <penguinman> fedora is fedora based :)
[10:35] <agent_white> Fedora is RedHat
[10:35] <idundidit> Fedora uses yum and .rpms
[10:35] <agent_white> It's like CentOS but more "bleeding edge"
[10:35] <Ilhami> Ubuntu is Debian based
[10:35] <Ilhami> right?
[10:36] <agent_white> Correct
[10:36] <Ilhami> I have used Debian before.
[10:36] <Ilhami> I am more used to that than Redhat dists
[10:36] <idundidit> Debian is nice, but the packages are so outdated.
[10:36] <agent_white> I was not a fan... too outdated.
[10:36] <idundidit> Debian sid for the latest.
[10:36] <jishjish> Ilhami: there is libreoffice or docs, or kingsoft wps office is very compatible
[10:36] <penguinman> depends. if you use the testing repos you're more or less up to date.
[10:36] <Ilhami> I mean I am more used to apt-get than yum
[10:36] <agent_white> My primary OS I speak on is Arch, and my servers are a mixture of Ubuntu/Fedora/CentOS.
[10:37] <penguinman> I'm too lazy for Arch these days lol
[10:37] <Ilhami> Whats special about Arch?
[10:37] <idundidit> I just never cared for Arch. :S
[10:37] <agent_white> It's not as bad as people make it out to be, I feel :)
[10:37] <idundidit> It's a rolling release distro
[10:37] <penguinman> no, it's really not, but you have to keep on top of it.
[10:38] <agent_white> If you ever take a peek at the Arch Wiki, it is bulletproof.  I recommend it over any other wiki, regardless of the distro you are on.. simply because it's awesome :D
[10:38] <agent_white> Pfft!
[10:38] <idundidit> Arch is like having a toaster that burns your bread 1 out of every 5 times.
[10:38] <Rabino> ahoy mateys
[10:38] <agent_white> I have yet to have a break to-date. :) It's much more exaggerated than folks make it out to be.
[10:38] <Ilhami> lol
[10:38] <Ilhami> ouch
[10:38] <agent_white> Hahaha
[10:38] <penguinman> only real issue is you have to be able to translate systemD into Upstart
[10:39] <agent_white> "service foo status" vs "systemd status service"
[10:39] <agent_white> Not too bad ;)
[10:39] <penguinman> using the archwiki for ubuntu I mean
[10:39] <llorephie> @idundidit o_O
[10:39] <agent_white> I use the archwiki when I'm on ubuntu/centos/fedora.
[10:39] <celexi> the archwiki is quite useful even though i don't use arch at all
[10:39] <agent_white> ^^
[10:39] <Ilhami> pacman :P
[10:39] <penguinman> wasn't Ubuntu supposed to be going to systemd anyway?
[10:39] <idundidit> yucky
[10:39] <llorephie> pacman nya
[10:39] <agent_white> penguinman: It will as well as all the rest.
[10:39] <agent_white> Just a matter of time :)
[10:40] <Rabino> ideas on the best setup for hosting virtual machines?
[10:40] <Ilhami> all Linux dists are going to systemd?
[10:40] <agent_white> Rabino: Checkout docker, or LXC
[10:40] <agent_white> LXC's
[10:40] <penguinman> i always used yaourt for everything. less of a pain than manually keeping AUR stuff up to date.
[10:40] <celexi> the last ubuntu you can switch from init to systemd
[10:40] <llorephie> Gentoo not :D
[10:40] <penguinman> somehow I doubt slack ever will move that direction either.
[10:40] <agent_white> Ilhami: Yes, it's a large and growing part of the Linux kernel.
[10:40] <idundidit> I haven't used Ubuntu in a few years now.   Isn't wayland moving into that slot?
[10:42] <celexi> i dont have preference between wayland or mir
[10:42] <bipul> There is a command tr which shuffle and translate the alphabet. I would like to know that , am i allow to set a certain parameter to translate a un meaningful word into meaningful. for example i have "Vrphwklqj phdqlqixo" And i want to set a parameter in tr with A ->.D, a->d, M->P, m->p, X->A , x->a
[10:42] <penguinman> not on ubuntu.
[10:42] <idundidit> agent_white, yes, but Ubuntu are being nazis and using Mir instead of Wayland.
[10:42] <celexi> i just want x gone and dead
[10:42] <celexi> x is garbage
[10:42] <Ilhami> why?
[10:42] <penguinman> X isn't garbage, it's just OLD
[10:42] <agent_white> idundidit: Oh really?  /me begins a google dive
[10:42] <agent_white> ^
[10:42] <celexi> well yeah it is just old
[10:42] <idundidit> lol
[10:42] <Ilhami> calling it garbage without reasons is not smart :P
[10:43] <penguinman> was originally designed to basically throw multiple terminals on one screen and not much else.
[10:43] <celexi> what i mean is it feels terrible compared to other desktops in modern times
[10:43] <idundidit> I agree with penguinman it's not garbage, it's just dated to hell.
[10:44] <idundidit> Wayland is pretty good already, but it goes to shit when you install any nVidia drivers.
[10:44] <penguinman> if anything, the fact it's still useable, what, 40 years later, says a lot about how good it actually is.
[10:44] <celexi> yeah, i hope nvidia fixes their wayland integration
[10:44] <celexi> because amd is kind of horrible for linux
[10:45] <Ilhami> celexi, just use mir then?
[10:45] <idundidit> Mir is kind of Ubuntu's own thing. Just like Unity.
[10:45] <idundidit> Nobody else will use it.
[10:45] <celexi> well i don't mainly use ubuntu or unity
[10:45] <idundidit> nor I
[10:45] <Ilhami> oh.
[10:46] <penguinman> main reason it was forked was for better mobile compatibility. on the desktop it will probably be about on par with wayland
[10:47] <agent_white> Well... X11 is 27 years old. So more than anything it's surprising it's done so well for so long, eh? ;)
[10:47] <idundidit> It's kind of ironic how I'm on Fedora and connected to the #ubuntu channel 24/7, but never in the #fedora channel.
[10:47] <penguinman> only thing that worries me is whether apps will be cross compatible.
[10:47] <penguinman> idundidit, I used to idle in here occasionally on fedora, arch, even slackware.
[10:47] <idundidit> penguinman, true. I think that's what Ubuntu wants though... exclusivity.
[10:48] <agent_white> PS - If you are really curious about X and what the whole deal is with how it works, why ther's better... http://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/ is a good little start.
[10:48] <penguinman> for foss apps porting won't be a huge deal if the apps are designed well.
[10:48] <Ilhami> idundidit, why do you like yum better than aptitude?
[10:48] <Ilhami> why is Fedora better than Ubuntu? :D
[10:48] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, eh?  t'isn't!
[10:48] <agent_white> Ilhami: Different
[10:48] <agent_white> Is a better term :)
[10:48] <idundidit> Ilhami, I like the repo management, usability... Fedora also has an amazing built in firewall
[10:49] <idundidit> Security is much better on Fedora
[10:49] <celexi> i prefer aptitude and deb packages but i do like how well redhat supports fedora/cent os
[10:49] <Ilhami> whats wrong with iptables? :P
[10:49] <agent_white> ^ iptables or bust!
[10:49] <idundidit> Fedora is also extremely Gnome-centric. Gnome everything.
[10:49] <penguinman> i handle my firewalling at the router level so that's not a huge deal for me.
[10:49] <Ilhami> really?
[10:49] <idundidit> And Fedora is more supportive of Free and Open Source Software.
[10:49] <jishjish> celexi: I am hating on redhat atm using it for work, installing packages and getting python to work is a pita
[10:49] <Ilhami> but you can get Gnome for any dist I think
[10:49] <Ilhami> ?
[10:50] <idundidit> Fedora comes packed with all the Gnome goodies.
[10:50] <agent_white> Can't exactly say Fedora is more "secure" though, since it's a more 'close-to-bleeding-edge' distro.
[10:50] <Ilhami> idundidit, okay then I will install Fedora :)
[10:50] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, there IS the ubuntu-gnome distro, you know ...
[10:50] <Ilhami> but I like aptitude better
[10:50] <penguinman> you can theoretically get unity on any distro too. but it still works best on ubuntu.
[10:50] <Ilhami> cfhowlett, oh
[10:50] <Ilhami> then I will go with Ubuntu.
[10:50] <idundidit> Yeah, just use ubuntu gnome if you like aptitude lol
[10:50] <Ilhami> you are confusing me again :D
[10:51] <idundidit> sudo apt-get remove *
[10:51] <celexi> issue that i have with fedora is that steam/games are mainly made for debian and relatives
[10:51] <Ilhami> it's like one is dragging me to one side and the other one to the other side. lol
[10:51] <agent_white> Ilhami: Stick with Ubuntu :)
[10:51] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-gnome | Ilhami well, as YOU are your system administrator, CHOOSE! wisely.
[10:51] <idundidit> I don't play many games, so ch'eah
[10:51] <Ilhami> I once tried CentOS :O
[10:51] <penguinman> i like gnome in theory, but it's still a clusterfsck right now.
[10:51] <agent_white> Ilhami: Don't get lost in it until you have to.
[10:52] <idundidit> Plus, even though there's a Linux version of Steam, I still run the normal version through Wine... because it works better and more games.
[10:52] <agent_white> Tiling managers 4 president!!!
[10:52]  * agent_white runs i3
[10:52] <celexi> i am thinking in switching to ubuntu gnone from linux mint xfce
[10:52]  * penguinman actually likes unity.
[10:52] <celexi> xfce gets quite old quickly
[10:52] <idundidit> Unity is okay
[10:52] <Ilhami> xfce is fast :P
[10:52] <Ilhami> so is lxde
[10:53] <celexi> its fast but quite bland
[10:53] <Ilhami> boring to look at.
[10:53] <penguinman> the HUD is what keeps me coming back. alt to menu search is just so great.
[10:53] <Ilhami> Gnome is neat
[10:53] <idundidit> if I wanted fast I'd just use Enlightenment
[10:53] <idundidit> run Bodhi Linux
[10:53] <agent_white> I definitely recommend trying awesomewm/i3wm if you're looking for something different :)
[10:53] <llorephie> idundidit: Unity is heavy for 2GiB RAM
[10:53] <celexi> reason i don't like unity is because i use 2 monitors
[10:54] <celexi> and the unity bar stays right in middle of them
[10:54] <celexi> and it looks quite odd
[10:54] <penguinman> so do I. has no issues with that for me
[10:54] <idundidit> lol
[10:54] <Ilhami> can I have transparent windows with Gnome 3? :P
[10:54] <Ilhami> I think it looks kind of cool.
[10:54] <idundidit> never tried
[10:54] <celexi> transparent windows are cool in theory
[10:54] <celexi> in practice they are not very good
[10:54] <Ilhami> I see.
[10:54] <penguinman> run KDE if you want that :)
[10:55] <agent_white> Ilhami: As long as you have a composite manager that supports it, you can have transparency... and it's not at all rare :D
[10:55] <cfhowlett> all that eye-candy does come at a cost in system resources ...
[10:55] <agent_white> ^^ i3 i3 i3!!!
[10:55] <celexi> yeah even xfce has transparency if you enable the compositor
[10:55] <Ilhami> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/684/transparent-windows/
[10:55] <Ilhami> gnome has a lot of nice extensions
[10:56] <Ilhami> <3
[10:56] <idundidit> Indeed it does
[10:56] <idundidit> There's also an extension for a sidebar, unity-like
[10:56] <penguinman> that actually properly autohides. that is one thing I wish unity did have.
[10:57] <celexi> i wonder
[10:57] <celexi> couldn't canonical used whatever android uses for window manager for the mobile
[10:57] <celexi> and kept wayland
[10:57] <penguinman> Not to be able to do what they want to with it.
[10:57] <idundidit> Canonical is hard headed
[10:57] <idundidit> both a good and bad thing
[10:58] <idundidit> Ilhami, unity like dock in gnome3 https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
[10:59] <agent_white> Also checkout dmenu if you're a fan of quickly opening applications with little overhead/bells-and-whistles
[10:59] <idundidit> I personally hate docks because they take up screen space, but most people seem to like them.
[10:59] <celexi> thing i like about the last gnome is how you can login into gnome classic
[10:59] <celexi> yeah i am not a fan of docks
[10:59] <agent_white> dmenu!!! Use it, love it!
[10:59] <Ilhami> so guys I can choose between 14.04 and 14.0.1 and both are LTS?
[10:59] <agent_white> http://www.adercon.com/ac/sites/default/files/dmenu.png
[11:00] <penguinman> i actually used rofi when I was on i3
[11:00] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, 14.04.1  you mean?
[11:00] <Ilhami> cfhowlett, yeah sorry
[11:00] <Ilhami> http://ubuntugnome.org/download/ I am here now
[11:00] <cfhowlett> Ilhami, 14.04.1 = 14.04 + the upgrades
[11:00] <penguinman> the .1 in that is like a service pack almost.
[11:00] <Ilhami> ok then I will take that.
[11:00] <cfhowlett> penguinman, "point release"
[11:01] <Seveas> penguinman: Ubuntu XP SP 1
[11:01] <Seveas> :)
[11:01] <idundidit> lol
[11:01] <agent_white> penguinman: Never checked out rofi before... I'll take a look. dmenu has been more than enough for my needs though, so far :) suckless.org
[11:01] <penguinman> was translating into windows terms lol
[11:01] <celexi> windows 8.1
[11:01] <agent_white> suckless.org's tools are AMAZING. Well developed.
[11:01] <celexi> now featuring a start menu button
[11:01] <idundidit> Windows 10 has an actual start menu.
[11:01] <celexi> yeah
[11:01] <idundidit> It's like Windows 95 all over again. Yayyyy
[11:01] <Ilhami> Windows 10 has a keylogger :P
[11:01] <celexi> windows 10 looks quite horrible though
[11:02] <penguinman> rofi is kinda like gnome-do except text only. fits in with the aesthetic well, plus it can cycle open windows.
[11:02] <idundidit> Keyloggers are nice. If I ever forget my password, I'm sure Microsoft still has it somewhere.
[11:02] <agent_white> celexi: Praise jeebus. I worked at a callcenter... and began to despise salespeople who sold folks windows 8 only for me to teach them how to find Internet Explorer :((
[11:02] <idundidit> Ironically, Ubuntu also has a keylogger. See: Amazon unity lens.
[11:03] <penguinman> so say you have spacefm open on tag 4 and are looking at firefox on tag 1. you can jump to it as fast as if you were opening a regular program. also if you forgot where you put something.
[11:03] <Seveas> idundidit: or 'script'
[11:03] <Seveas> !info script
[11:03] <Seveas> !info bsdutils
[11:03] <Ilhami> idundidit, but you can turn that off? :P
[11:03] <Seveas> (that's where 'script' is in)
[11:03] <Ilhami> lol
[11:03] <idundidit> Yeah, you can turn it off... but still. It ships with it.
[11:03] <Seveas> Ilhami: sure, it's on but by default
[11:04] <Ilhami> thats the first thing I will turn off hah
[11:04] <idundidit> We gon' keylog errrbody.
[11:04] <Ilhami> I dont like people intruding in other peoples privacy.
[11:05] <Ilhami> I am curious how many backdoors there are in WIndows :D
[11:05] <agent_white> LOTS
[11:05] <cfhowlett> !ot
[11:05] <Timvde> if I pre-install stuff on a live usb (a language pack, or some software), will it be installed on the system?
[11:05] <idundidit> I am curious how many backdoors there aren't in Windows.
[11:05] <Ilhami> haha
[11:06] <idundidit> There's actually backdoors in Intel processors anyways though. So, kinda screwed either way.
[11:06] <chrisss123456> hey guys, i broke my windows 8 on this laptop, and running ubuntu on another partition. im trying to make a bootable usb for win 7 but it doesnt seem to work, having tried formatting it in fat32 or ntfs... anyone know what gives?
[11:06] <idundidit> Plus proprietary BIOS.
[11:06] <cfhowlett> chrisss123456, need windows media/  best to use windows tool.s
[11:06] <idundidit> chrisss123456, did you break the MBR?
[11:06] <agent_white> Timvde: Do you mean... if you customize a live cd and use it to fresh-install an OS, will that install have your custom packages?
[11:07] <Timvde> agent_white: yes
[11:07] <idundidit> chrisss123456, overwrite it with GRUB?
[11:07] <Ilhami> idundidit, :/
[11:07] <chrisss123456> idundidit: no, but i can't run any .exe , download anything from the windows store, or do anything useful really. cfhowlett: sadly, my previous comment rules that out.
[11:07] <Timvde> agent_white: we have to install 20+ PCs with some custom software, looks like this'll take a while otherwise...
[11:08] <cfhowlett> Timvde, are they networked?  if so ... LTSP install
[11:08] <chrisss123456> idundidit: overwrite? dont know what you mean
[11:08] <Seveas> Timvde: you should look at configuration management software like puppet or salt
[11:08] <choki> Is ubuntu phone already finished now? So is there a download link for the stable 1.0 version somewhere?
[11:08] <chrisss123456> essentially,  some system32 files disappeared after windows thought it would be a good idea to "fix" the drive, which was working perfectly. now nothing works properly. winmm.dll is missing, and its just crap
[11:08] <Seveas> Timvde: but to answer your question: I believe it will. Try it and see :)
[11:09] <agent_white> Timvde: Yes they will, depending on how you install (ie -- those 'steps to choose packages-to-be-installed')
[11:09] <idundidit> chrisss123456, try asking in a Windows related channel. There might be some type of bootable media you can use. Not too sure.
[11:09] <Timvde> cfhowlett/Seveas: the thing is that I want to prevent redownloading the same packages over and over :)
[11:09] <Ilhami> my connection is amazingly slow today :/
[11:09] <Seveas> chrisss123456: try ##windows
[11:09] <Seveas> Timvde: proxy server and/or local mirror to the rescue!
[11:09] <chrisss123456> Seveas: idundidit: alright, ill give that a go. thanks for the help anyway!
[11:10] <Timvde> But I'll try it by customizing the live environment first
[11:10] <agent_white> Timvde: And as cfhowlett said, definitely create an image of the OS and  image those other drives.
[11:10] <Ilhami> Seriously I am looking forward to get Ubuntu Gnome :)))))
[11:10] <agent_white> Create your custom image, then deploy it to the machines.
[11:10] <Ilhami> <3
[11:11] <idundidit> Ilhami, don't forget to install the Gnome tweak tool. Works wonders.
[11:11] <Timvde> agent_white: That's something to consider, too :)
[11:12] <agent_white> Timvde: I was a refurb technician, and made a "universal Windows image" so I could image 40+ machines at once over the network.