[22:55]  * Takyoji applauds for the progress/success with convincing the use of a HTML5-based player on YouTube.
[22:55] <Takyoji> Almost 12,500 votes.
[22:55] <Takyoji> Started at like 700 votes the day the first email on the mailing list was sent out.
[22:55] <Takyoji> (in terms of the most popular 'idea' on Google Product Ideas for YouTube in regards of HTML5)


[02:41] <jiyuu0> thegreedyturtle, i'm tryin the torrent now
[02:41] <jiyuu0> thanks
[02:42] <jiyuu0> been waiting for 5 minutes now... seems not moving
[02:42] <jiyuu0> maybe my line is bad
[02:42] <jiyuu0> will wait a little longer
[02:42] <jiyuu0> azureus can really suck mem
[02:42] <jiyuu0> :(
[02:42] <thegreedyturtle> sorry about that, i was working on a kernel thing and forgot to restart azureus last time i rebooted
[02:42] <thegreedyturtle> i just added it and you should be uploading now
[02:43] <thegreedyturtle> doesn't appear to have connected you though
[02:44] <jiyuu0> true... seems not moving
[02:45] <thegreedyturtle> well, i've switched it to super seed it and the tracker is ok, maybe it'll just take a little time to propagate
[02:46] <jiyuu0> ok... i'll wait :)
[02:46] <thegreedyturtle> it says i've uploaded 168.7 to someone, so i'm pretty sure it's working for someone
[02:47] <jiyuu0> Seeds 0(1)
[02:47] <thegreedyturtle> now i've got a seeds 0(1) and peers 0(0)
[02:48] <jiyuu0> 0(0)
[02:48] <jiyuu0> how fast is ur line there?
[02:49] <thegreedyturtle> 2mbit down 512kb up
[02:49] <thegreedyturtle> i know my ports are open, i don't have any problems seeding other files
[02:50] <jiyuu0> ic... then maybe it could be my prob here
[02:51] <thegreedyturtle> im going to test on another computer here
[02:56] <thegreedyturtle> yeah it's off and running here
[02:56] <Burgundavia> salut mpt
[02:57] <jiyuu0> thegreedyturtle,  ok... can u creata another torrent for the enhance version
[02:57] <thegreedyturtle> sure
[02:57] <thegreedyturtle> got a link for it?
[02:57] <jiyuu0> http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/add-on-cd/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz
[02:57] <jiyuu0> i'll put the torrent for ppl to download once u r done
[02:58] <thegreedyturtle> shouldn't take me more than a few minutes after i get it downloaded
[02:58] <jiyuu0> i'm only on 512k broadband here :(
[02:59] <thegreedyturtle> i understand, im about to go on vacation for 2 weeks w/ only dial up access
[02:59] <thegreedyturtle> but then i've become an internet snob...
[02:59] <thegreedyturtle> can't live w/out high speed
[03:00] <thegreedyturtle> and i don't even play games anymore
[03:00] <jiyuu0> u must be downloading tons of stuff huh
[03:00] <thegreedyturtle> i wish i'd had this system rescue cd when i was resizing my / partition
[03:01] <thegreedyturtle> yeah, and i live with a big family who also download tons of stuff
[03:01] <jiyuu0> ubuntu should come with the resize tool during install
[03:01] <thegreedyturtle> but it's mostly been .iso's of debian/ubuntu/fedora, i only recently have really settled on ubuntu
[03:02] <thegreedyturtle> i was messing with my partitions post install. i ended up using ubuntu live and then actually installing gparted with apt to do my resize
[03:02] <thegreedyturtle> i probably could have done it on the live filesystem, but i haven't goofed with it
[03:03] <thegreedyturtle> i remember talking to a poor guy that had ubuntu automatically partition his hard drive for him, then made a new partition in the back of the drive and expected the front of his drive to still have the ntfs data on it...
[03:30] <mpt> hi Burgundavia
[03:32] <Burgundavia> how is launchpad work going?
[03:35] <thegreedyturtle> jiyuu0, It's ready, the direct download is at http://www.torrentbox.com/download.php/15558/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz.torrent or you can see the webpage at: http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-details.php?id=15558&uploaded=1
[03:35] <thegreedyturtle> i've got a download testing and it's coming along fine. Sadly it's slow still because I'm the only one seeding it.
[04:21] <jsgotangco> morning
[04:35] <jsgotangco> jdub, a minute?
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ok i will bite the bullet and send this email
[05:21] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, email?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> im still finishing stuff its about packaged documentation
[05:25] <Burgundavia> ok, have you been doing work in that area?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> im more interested in fixing up the existing docs from scrollkeeper/svn rather than write new docs there is so much to fix there
[05:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:25] <jsgotangco> i have some ideas
[05:26] <Burgundavia> that is what I meant
[05:26] <jsgotangco> but i need to get reactions from devels if its possible
[05:26] <jsgotangco> i think its possible
[05:26] <jsgotangco> i was digging into scrollkeeper lst night
[05:26] <jsgotangco> found at least 81 entries
[05:27] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:27] <jsgotangco> probably 300+ omf files
[05:27] <jsgotangco> which means we have like 300+ packaged docs in a default hoary install
[05:27] <jsgotangco> the problem is digging through that docs
[05:27] <jsgotangco> some of them are so old
[05:27] <jsgotangco> yet they got in
[05:28] <Burgundavia> yesa
[05:28] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-doc is just one entry in scrollkeeper
[05:28] <Burgundavia> a lot of upstream docs suck
[05:28] <jsgotangco> yeah we need to cull some upstream if possible
[05:28] <Burgundavia> hmm, some of the upstreams are dead
[05:28] <Burgundavia> so any changes we make, we must maintain
[05:29] <jsgotangco> thats the point
[05:29] <Burgundavia> can you put what you find on a wiki page?
[05:29] <Burgundavia> so we can discuss further
[05:29] <jsgotangco> sure but i will email this first
[05:29] <Burgundavia> prioritze what we want to fix/work on
[05:30] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i want to prioritize the upstream stuff and how ubuntu-specific docs would fit in
[05:30] <Burgundavia> cool
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i think this is what enrico has been doing before
[05:30] <Burgundavia> probably
[05:30] <jsgotangco> but wasnt able to finish
[05:30] <Burgundavia> enrico has kind of dropped off the planet
[05:30] <jsgotangco> he has a job
[05:30] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:31] <jsgotangco> i think this is what jdub is trying to say
[05:31] <Burgundavia> evil evil things, jobs
[05:32] <jsgotangco> im way over my head im not so sure if its possible to manipulate this kind of stuff through scrollkeeper or yelp
[05:32] <jsgotangco> well yelp is another story but its only a browser
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i think its more on scrollkeeper
[05:33] <Burgundavia> I also have no idea
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i've tried rebuilding the scrollkeeper db but there are some with no entries so i guess i am right in some aspects
[05:40] <jsgotangco> when we say upstream, we refer to stuff lifted from gnome/debian right?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> any upstream
[05:40] <jsgotangco> and downstream?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> downstream is us
[05:40] <jsgotangco> us to them?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> coder --> packager --> us
[05:41] <Burgundavia> upstream from us is the packager (usually debian) and the coder
[05:44] <mpt> Burgundavia: very very slowly
[05:45] <Burgundavia> mpt, how much do you currently have? 1 gig makes my machine run quite nicely
[05:45] <mpt> 256MB
[05:45] <Burgundavia> ouch
[05:45] <mpt> Getting 1.25 GB tomorrow
[05:46] <Burgundavia> lucky bugger
[05:46] <jsgotangco> hi mpt
[05:47] <mpt> hello
[05:49] <jsgotangco> you're on breezy already?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:49] <Burgundavia> got itchy feet
[05:49] <Burgundavia> had to jump
[05:49] <jsgotangco> i see tseng has already packaged beagle
[05:49] <Burgundavia> yes, is very cool
[05:50] <jsgotangco> i will update my other box to breezy later then
[05:50] <jsgotangco> did Beep MP come in as default?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> no, beep is crap
[05:51] <Burgundavia> ubuntu is trying to change as little from upstream as possibly, for the default
[05:51] <Burgundavia> so rhythmbox and totem
[05:51] <Burgundavia> rb is also crap
[05:52] <jsgotangco> btw i heard your name on lug radio but they laughed at your surname that was rude of them
[05:52] <Burgundavia> not a big deal
[05:52] <Burgundavia> i was slightly offended
[05:53] <jsgotangco> send 'em more email next time
[05:53] <Burgundavia> hmm, nautilus cd burner needs a this much full thing, ala serpentine
[05:53] <Burgundavia> they paraphrased what I had written
[05:53] <jsgotangco> well radio always does that
[05:59] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, do you use K or Ubuntu?
[06:00] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu
[06:01] <jsgotangco> i rarely use kubuntu
[06:01] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:01] <Burgundavia> http://s1x.homelinux.net/files/main.png
[06:01] <Burgundavia> what do you think of that UI for a cd burner?
[06:01] <jsgotangco> hold on
[06:01] <jsgotangco> if you're thinking of using this UI for nautlis burner, this is much better
[06:02] <Burgundavia> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303759
[06:02] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you read my mind
[06:03] <jsgotangco> heh great minds think alike
[06:03] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[06:03] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:03] <Burgundavia> serp is in breezy already
[06:03] <Burgundavia> very very nice
[06:03] <Burgundavia> dragndrop stuff
[06:03] <jsgotangco> its a separate app?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:03] <Burgundavia> python
[06:03] <jsgotangco> main?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> currently universe, but planned for main, I think
[06:04] <jsgotangco> wow that's not so bad
[06:04] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AudioCDBurning
[06:05] <jsgotangco> ok
[06:05] <jsgotangco> ill just email the stuff later and post in the wiki i hope
[06:05] <Burgundavia> ok, and jump on that bug
[06:05] <Burgundavia> see if we can get some movement
[07:30] <mpt> Nautilus folder windows don't have Add and Remove buttons
[07:31] <jsgotangco> you mean the burning function?
[07:34] <mpt> I mean, ordinary folder windows don't have Add and Remove buttons, so why should a CD-R window?
[07:35] <mpt> You could have just one bar showing the capacity/amount of free space, and a Burn button
[07:35] <jsgotangco> true especially if you're aiming for drag and drop functionality i guess
[08:04] <froud> Burgundavia: morning
[08:04] <froud> jsgotangco: morn
[08:11] <mpt> Good morning froud
[08:11] <froud> morn
[08:11] <froud> how r you
[08:13] <froud> hmm people r silent today
[08:13] <mvirkkil> good morning
[08:13] <froud> morn
[08:16] <froud> b'sides jsgotangco is anyone here working on oaything?
[08:16] <mvirkkil> not me
[08:16] <froud> s/oa/an/
[08:16] <froud> mvirkkil: do you have time to work on things
[08:17] <froud> mvirkkil: how's your docbook?
[08:18] <mvirkkil> Not at the moment. @ work
[08:18] <froud> mvirkkil: I mean in general, of ocurse I dont expect you to work on this at work :-)
[08:18] <mvirkkil> Actually this week and next week will suck. So probably not doing anything for 2 weeks :-/
[08:19] <jsgotangco> hi froud how are you?
[08:19] <froud> jsgotangco: hi
[08:19] <froud> mvirkkil: do you see someting in svn u would like to do?
[08:19] <froud> mvirkkil: r you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:20] <mvirkkil> I'm using ubuntu.
[08:20] <froud> OK, would you like to help us on the User Guide when you have some time
[08:20] <mvirkkil> Planning to dist-upgrade to breezy once I have a bit of free time.
[08:20] <froud> mvirkkil: good
[08:21] <mvirkkil> froud: I'll be sure to ask you the status of that when I'm done with the project I'm working one.
[08:21] <mvirkkil> :)
[08:21] <froud> mvirkkil: if you like you can take a look at user guide, it has an outline
[08:21] <mvirkkil> froud: In svn?
[08:21] <froud> what are you working on
[08:21] <froud> yes
[08:22] <mpt> Structured Text
[08:22] <mpt> HTML
[08:22] <mpt> Plain Text
[08:22] <mvirkkil> froud: I've got a non-computer project, and then work.
[08:22] <mpt> ... where's the "MoinMoin" option?
[08:22] <froud> jsgotangco: good points on help
[08:22] <froud> mpt: a web-based app
[08:23] <mpt> froud: what?
[08:23] <froud> you writing a web-based app
[08:23] <froud> or is this command line
[08:23] <mpt> No, I'm trying to edit the wiki
[08:23] <jsgotangco> froud, you read my email?
[08:23] <froud> jsgotangco: yes
[08:23] <froud> mpt: Oh ok
[08:23] <mpt> froud: I've seen in the mailing list that (a) the wiki accepts MoinMoin syntax and (b) it's going to be using MoinMoin exclusively in the future
[08:23] <jsgotangco> froud, what you think? i just had that idea last night after Burgundavia and jdub were talking
[08:23] <mpt> but I don't see a MoinMoin option when editing
[08:24] <froud> mpt: the mon system needs to be installed. Or is it already
[08:24] <froud> jsgotangco: the stuff about the packaging is correct
[08:25] <froud> mpt: I know the udu system was using moin
[08:25] <froud> but I dont know if the main site has moin
[08:26] <mpt> apparently not

[08:26] <mpt> yik
[08:26] <jdub> mpt: plone doesn't do moinmoin, but zwiki does
[08:27] <froud> mor jdub
[08:28] <jdub> yo
[08:28] <froud> Burgundavia: how's it going with porting ubuntuguide to xml in svn
[08:28] <jsgotangco> hi jdub
[08:28] <froud> jsgotangco: saw your patches on kwickguide, thnaks
[08:28] <froud> jsgotangco: just keep hacking dude
[08:29] <froud> ignore the noise
[08:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:29] <jsgotangco> i know what you mean
[08:29] <jsgotangco> froud, a question
[08:29] <froud> jsgotangco: I should find some time to take a look at it and give feedback
[08:29] <froud> ? yes
[08:29] <jsgotangco> what i emailed today, was enrico responsible for cleaning up packaged docs?
[08:30] <froud> jsgotangco: enrico just packages, butthe real problem is yelp and scrollkeeper
[08:30] <jsgotangco> yes i got it all together last night
[08:30] <froud> not the most flexible
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i wasn't able to attend the cc meeting because of it
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i was thinking what's wrong with it
[08:31] <mpt> No Preview function either
[08:31] <mpt> Boy, and I thought MoinMoin was bad :-)
[08:31] <froud> all wiki stuff sucks for user documents
[08:31] <froud> nice for wikipedia
[08:31] <froud> not for long docs
[08:32] <jsgotangco> froud, so what i emailed, is it possible or not?
[08:32] <froud> jsgotangco: everyting is possible
[08:32] <froud> jsgotangco: just need time
[08:32] <jsgotangco> im not aiming this for breezy
[08:32] <froud> and willing hands
[08:32] <jsgotangco> its just not possible with only 2 hands
[08:33] <jsgotangco> and learning at the same time
[08:33] <froud> it is
[08:33] <jsgotangco> but im not giving up on it
[08:33] <froud> somebody just need to take it by the horns
[08:33] <froud> but overall, yelp is weak
[08:33] <froud> nice for gnome docs, but that is about it
[08:34] <jsgotangco> yeah i noticed the difference between yelp and khelpcenter
[08:34] <froud> however, since people cant get beyond yelp we are stuck
[08:34] <jsgotangco> but khelpcenter isn't good at organizing either or probably just having the right tree structure
[08:34] <froud> neither is good
[08:34] <froud> linux misses a good tool for this
[08:35] <froud> more flexible
[08:35] <froud> we just need to target html
[08:35] <froud> I think we spoke about this
[08:35] <mdke> morning guys
[08:35] <froud> mdke: morn
[08:35] <froud> jsgotangco: but these issues are just noicse
[08:36] <mdke> hows it going?
[08:36] <froud> people need to focus on writing
[08:36] <froud> mdke: slow burn
[08:36] <mdke> froud, ;)
[08:37] <froud> jsgotangco: which is why I say to you keep hacking kwick guide
[08:37] <froud> ingnore the noise
[08:37] <froud> who is gonna adopt the user guide
[08:37] <froud> cummon somebody my love that
[08:37] <froud> must love
[08:38] <froud> jsgotangco: I think it is time the team stopped focusing on everyting else and just focuse don SVN
[08:38] <froud> UDU is over
[08:39] <froud> noting great about docs there
[08:39] <froud> so lets just go for the docs
[08:39] <froud> stuff the rest
[08:40] <froud> jsgotangco: Burgundavia : That includes trying to get people to understand the roundtripping approach we wanted with the portal
[08:40] <froud> nice to have, but I dont think Canonical is playing ball on this
[08:40] <froud> so stuff them
[08:40] <mpt> froud: Okay, I've never used svn before. Is there a step-by-step guide for setting up and checking out the Ubuntu help?
[08:40] <froud> go for the jugular and do the docs
[08:41] <mdke> mpt, yeah hang on
[08:41] <froud> mpt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[08:41] <mdke> *grins*
[08:42] <froud> mpt: there are plenty of hands to help you get up to speed with svn and docbook
[08:43] <mdke> froud, don't give up so easily on a portal, we haven't pushed that hard on it yet, maybe its not over yet
[08:43] <froud> I think we need to make it clear that everyone on the team is like totally empowered to hack svn
[08:43] <mdke> i agree
[08:43] <froud> mdke: really, I I am tired of speaking to people at Canonical
[08:43] <froud> too much religion dude
[08:44] <froud> wasting time
[08:44] <mdke> froud, how much dialogue did you have with them about the portal?
[08:44] <froud> enough
[08:44] <froud> This amongst a few proposals
[08:44] <froud> lots of inpt 0 out
[08:44] <froud> time wated
[08:44] <mdke> froud, are you mad at them because of something else, or just the portal
[08:44] <froud> wasted
[08:45] <froud> nah, not mad
[08:45] <mdke> clearly if they are keen enough on putting resources into a translating interface, they can be persuaded to put resources into a documentating interface :)
[08:45] <froud> feel sorry for them
[08:45] <froud> mdke: yep
[08:45] <mdke> but i agree, for now, we can concentrate on what we have
[08:45] <froud> anyway
[08:45] <froud> yes, just stuff them
[08:45] <mdke> *grins*
[08:45] <froud> and lets go on with the plan
[08:46] <froud> maybe one day the attitude will change
[08:46] <froud> so for now lets just have fun
[08:46] <froud> lets just do what we want in the docs
[08:46] <froud> no pressure
[08:46] <froud> what we have we have, what we dont we dont
[08:47] <froud> we will aim for breezy to do what we can
[08:47] <mdke> ok
[08:47] <mdke> i need to get moving
[08:47] <mdke> class calls
[08:47] <froud> if it is half baked and not the best, then tuff
[08:47] <mdke> damn these early mornings
[08:47] <froud> mdke: cheers
[08:47] <mdke> froud, keep the faith
[08:47] <froud> but not in canonical, just the community
[08:48] <mdke> in the docteam ;)
[08:48] <froud> sure
[08:48] <mdke> ok cool
[08:48] <mdke> see you later
[08:48] <froud> I must get dressed and start work
[08:48] <mdke> afk
[08:48] <froud> c ya
[08:49] <mpt> How do I verify the certificate?
[08:50] <mpt> These "Canonical Ltd" people sound suspicious
[09:09] <Burgundavia> mpt, you still there?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> froud-work, I haven't even touching anything with docs recently
[09:11] <froud-work> Ok, what do you want to do?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> no, more that I have had other shit going on
[09:11] <Burgundavia> the stuff is still on slow burn for me
[09:12] <jsgotangco> i just had a phone call sorry i was afk for a bit
[09:12] <froud-work> other shit, you mean not docs stuff?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> life shit
[09:14] <froud-work> good shit I hope
[09:14] <Burgundavia> some good, some bad
[09:15] <froud-work> so life is normall then :-)
[09:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:15] <Burgundavia> you saw in the scrollback that jdub and I talked last night, both on the phone and in here
[09:15] <froud-work> OK, so did you fix your key thing
[09:15] <froud-work> yes
[09:15] <froud-work> Burgundavia: I am not wasting more time on this
[09:15] <Burgundavia> froud-work, I have given elmo my new key, so he should be getting me a new password sometime soon
[09:16] <jsgotangco> i moved on
[09:16] <froud-work> I still believe our thinking and rational are good
[09:16] <froud-work> but I am not going to push these dudes
[09:16] <froud-work> I am just gonna have fun
[09:16] <jsgotangco> me too
[09:17] <jsgotangco> let me figure out where to start though heh
[09:17] <jsgotangco> this yelp/scrollkeeper thing intrigues me
[09:17] <froud-work> and if the stuff outside gets out of control and if ittakes yonks to do the stuff in svn, I could not give a shit
[09:17] <froud-work> I dont even care if the stuff in svn gets into the distro
[09:18] <froud-work> I just care that I now have fun with this
[09:18] <froud-work> if they want to solve problems, then they can pay me :-)
[09:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[09:18] <jsgotangco> good idea
[09:21] <froud-work> Burgundavia: jsgotangco so I am here, but not going to give the same care and passion I did in the past
[09:22] <froud-work> from here in I am here to have fun, no pressure, let the guys at Canonical take the pressure and worry about things
[09:23] <froud-work> it does mean that my commits will be when I have time and when I feel like doing
[09:23] <froud-work> if I feel like doing
[09:23] <jsgotangco> froud-work, understandable you have a business after all
[09:23] <froud-work> yes, but a large part of my business is FOSS
[09:24] <froud-work> btw dudes, I released a new version of my web site, in a hurry, feedback is welcome
[09:24] <froud-work> http://www.inwords.co.za
[09:24] <froud-work> it's an apache forrest
[09:24] <froud-work> Yes dudes JAVA
[09:24] <froud-work> JAVA
[09:24] <froud-work> JAVA
[09:24] <froud-work> JAVA
[09:25] <froud-work> ooooh I like saying that
[09:25] <froud-work> especially here where people seem not to like it
[09:25] <jsgotangco> my eyes! my eye!
[09:25] <jsgotangco> froud-work, you removed your picture heh
[09:26] <froud-work> No it is there
[09:26] <Burgundavia> froud-work, odd bug on your site
[09:26] <froud-work> http://www.inwords.co.za/management.html
[09:26] <Burgundavia> the first four tabs display first, then the next 2
[09:26] <froud-work> bug must be where
[09:26] <jsgotangco> oh there it is
[09:26] <Burgundavia> next 3
[09:26] <froud-work> Huh, dont understand Burgundavia
[09:27] <froud-work> you dont see all tabs or they load is strange order
[09:27] <Burgundavia> froud-work, when I click on any of the tabs, as the page loads, the first 4 tabs are rendered, then the remaining 3
[09:27] <Burgundavia> might be a firefox bug
[09:27] <froud-work> I dont see it in Firefax
[09:27] <Burgundavia> otherwise I don't see anything
[09:27] <froud-work> Hmm
[09:28] <froud-work> you dont see anyting, no text
[09:28] <jsgotangco> i dont see it either in firefox or ephiphany
[09:28] <froud-work> ephinany works
[09:28] <froud-work> I did not test
[09:28] <froud-work> opera, ie, moz and firefox, konqueror
[09:29] <froud-work> but something i borked in konqueror
[09:29] <froud-work> the fonts are so small
[09:29] <froud-work> btw all the content is docbook
[09:30] <jsgotangco> im not surprised
[09:30] <froud-work> inkscape svg for images transformed to png
[09:30] <froud-work> just love inkscape
[09:32] <froud-work> now having it translated to 11 languages
[09:33] <froud-work> Afrikaans, Zulu, Xhosa, Sepedi, Setswana, Sesotho, Venda, Tsonga, Ndebele, Swati
[09:33] <froud-work>
[09:33] <froud-work>
[09:34] <jsgotangco> doh
[09:34] <jsgotangco> im only familiar with Afrikaans and Xhosa
[09:35] <froud-work> jsgotangco: you know learnlinux
[09:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:35] <jsgotangco> im impressed by it
[09:35] <froud-work> I am going to translate it to Zulu and then give it to some guys to go teach linux in the South African townships
[09:36] <froud-work> figure, that will help them get jobs
[09:36] <jsgotangco> za seems to have an exciting FOSS environment
[09:36] <froud-work> its good and bad
[09:36] <froud-work> hopefully linux world will have a better impact
[09:37] <jsgotangco> there will be a linux world there?
[09:37] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:37] <froud-work> yes, see icon on my web site
[09:37] <froud-work> we are all excited about it, first time here in za
[09:38] <jsgotangco> jeezzz i haven't been in a linux world event in my entire life
[09:38] <froud-work> I think if nothing happens from it at least we will have given away a shit load of free software ?
[09:38] <froud-work> :-)
[09:38] <froud-work> A few distros will be there
[09:39] <froud-work> sabfl will be speaking at the conference
[09:39] <froud-work> and mad dog
[09:39] <jsgotangco> the open source scene in asia is exciting in general, but i must be unlucky to live in a country where its ignored
[09:39] <froud-work> you have to make it happen
[09:39] <froud-work> it wont just happen on its own
[09:40] <jsgotangco> well for sure a handful of people won't be able to make it happen
[09:40] <froud-work> many of us have spent hours and lot sof money to make it happen
[09:40] <jsgotangco> especially if you're talking 7,100 islands
[09:40] <froud-work> I am sure it will bring results
[09:40] <froud-work> He he that could be lots of user groups
[09:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:41] <froud-work> community is th ekey
[09:41] <froud-work> well to me at least
[09:41] <froud-work> we have about 11 here in za
[09:42] <froud-work> he he we actually managed to get the exhibition organizers to give us a stand for the LUGs of SOuth AFrica, free :-)
[09:42] <froud-work> we just blugioned them into doing it
[09:42] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:43] <froud-work> and we quickly gathered about ZAR 3000 for fixures and stuff
[09:43] <froud-work> which reminds me I must check how the stand posters are doing
[09:44] <froud-work> now we are looking for people to man the stand,
[09:44] <froud-work> seems there are lots of volunteers willing to stand there for an hour or two
[09:44] <jsgotangco> im sure you can find people to man that with 11 lugs
[09:45] <froud-work> yeah, this show is in johannesburg
[09:45] <froud-work> so it will have to be from the surrounding lugs
[09:45] <jsgotangco> which is better cape town or johannesburg?
[09:45] <froud-work> I guess the guys in Cape Town will do the same when Linuxworld is held there later this year
[09:45] <Burgundavia> hmm, paradise vs. joburg?
[09:46] <froud-work> cape is beautiful, joburg has money :-) take your pick
[09:46] <Burgundavia> joburg is the current murder capital of the world
[09:46] <jsgotangco> i like beautiful
[09:46] <jsgotangco> i dont need that much money to live decently
[09:46] <froud-work> Burgundavia: we have our problems
[09:46] <Burgundavia> a second cousin of mine was killed in joburg about 3 months ago
[09:46] <froud-work> but we also have a historical past that is part of todays problems
[09:47] <froud-work> oh no, I am sorry to hear that
[09:47] <Burgundavia> she decided to argue with some carjackers, and lunged towards them
[09:47] <froud-work> not a good idea in a country where the value of life is very low
[09:47] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:48] <jsgotangco> i got to watch this movie that had ice cube in za
[09:48] <jsgotangco> it was very bad
[09:48] <Burgundavia> ouch
[09:48] <froud-work> well, it has gotten a lot better
[09:48] <jsgotangco> thats why when i hear of za, it still reminds me of the past
[09:48] <jsgotangco> probably because i haven't been there at all
[09:49] <froud-work> problem is we have mllions who need access to education and linux is a good way to do it
[09:49] <jsgotangco> africa is one continent i haven't even thought of going before
[09:49] <froud-work> you should come
[09:49] <froud-work> it is beautiful
[09:50] <jsgotangco> its totally alien to most asians
[09:50] <froud-work> maybe oneday we will have an ubuntu africa conference
[09:50] <Burgundavia> the launchpad people came to cape town in feb.
[09:50] <froud-work> we have a huge asian community here
[09:50] <jsgotangco> let me guess chinese
[09:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:50] <jsgotangco> they're everywhere
[09:50] <froud-work> all types
[09:50] <froud-work> they are very productive
[09:50] <Burgundavia> gandhi praticed law in SA
[09:51] <froud-work> and make a huge contribution
[09:51] <jsgotangco> small businesses?
[09:51] <froud-work> although I prefer not to categorize people by race or religion
[09:51] <froud-work> some small some large
[09:52] <jsgotangco> hmm i see mdke got approval in the cc meeting
[09:52] <jsgotangco> i wasnt able to log in
[09:52] <froud-work> but point is to get Linux into the education system here
[09:53] <froud-work> cc meeting
[09:53] <froud-work> that's where sabfl's TSF projects are good
[09:53] <Burgundavia> approval?
[09:54] <froud-work> hey I must work, later dudes
[09:55] <jsgotangco> later
[10:23] <jsgotangco> jdub, busy?
[11:45] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:45] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:45] <jsgotangco> here goes the breezy upgrade
[11:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you might want to wait
[11:46] <jsgotangco> dbus?
[11:46] <Burgundavia> they are about to break a whole load of shit
[11:46] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:46] <jsgotangco> yeah i read about it
[11:46] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:46] <Burgundavia> if you haven't jumped, wait
[11:46] <Burgundavia> nothing special yet
[11:46] <jsgotangco> ok ill cancel this then
[11:47] <Burgundavia> I'm here now, so I will ride the storm out
[11:47] <Burgundavia> in other news, I am installing Hoary on my brothers machine tomorrow night
[11:48] <jsgotangco> well that's good news
[12:00] <Burgundavia> well, we had some fun with XP and activation
[12:10] <jsgotangco> xp activation here is non-existent, even if you buy legit xp, the serial is already activated and MS can't do anything about it
[12:11] <jsgotangco> even the couriers steal the keys
[12:11] <Burgundavia> indeed
[12:11] <Burgundavia> asia is rife with that
[12:12] <Burgundavia> most of the stolen XP in NA is hobbyists
[12:12] <jsgotangco> yeah it doesnt make sense you try to be legit here but yourself becomes a victim as well
[12:12] <Burgundavia> indeed
[12:12] <Burgundavia> that is why free software is good
[12:13] <Burgundavia> none of the licence crap
[12:13] <jsgotangco> ive seen schools in japan run turbo linux in classrooms for 3rd graders
[12:13] <Burgundavia> cool
[12:13] <Burgundavia> linux has almost no mindshare here
[12:13] <Burgundavia> education or otherwise
[12:14] <jsgotangco> what happened to k12 ltsp?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> is very lovely
[12:14] <Burgundavia> the only time linux gets adopted is when someone steps forward and pushes the project
[12:14] <Burgundavia> it has not moved to the next stage, which is recommended by govs/etc.
[12:15] <Burgundavia> well, there is linux in the local library
[12:15] <Burgundavia> www.userful.com <-- these people
[12:15] <Burgundavia> I had an interview with them
[12:16] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:16] <jsgotangco> ltsp with licenses?
[12:16] <jsgotangco> thats not so cool
[12:16] <Burgundavia> not ltsp
[12:16] <Burgundavia> multihead
[12:16] <Burgundavia> massively multihead
[12:16] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:16] <Burgundavia> slow, and sort of buggy
[12:16] <Burgundavia> but very useful and cheap
[12:16] <Burgundavia> and based on Fedora core
[12:23] <jsgotangco> im out
[12:23] <jsgotangco> seeyou later
[12:23] <Burgundavia> cya
[12:23] <Burgundavia> not my own?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> is 3:23 here
[12:23] <jsgotangco> yeah i noticed that
[02:43] <mdke> hi dudes
[02:51] <mdke> i've noticed a lot of french stuff is coming up in the wiki, its another one to add to the list of "untapped resources"
[02:52] <mdke> a lot of it is original work rather than translations
[02:52] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrenchDocumentation
[03:41] <jjesse> morning :)
[03:48] <mdke> hi jjesse
[03:48] <mdke> froud-work, thoughts on henriks email?
[03:50] <jjesse> hello mdke
[05:00] <mdke> hey sm
[05:01] <sm> hi all
[05:02] <mdke> how are you?
[05:03] <sm> great thanks
[05:04] <sm> working on client projects etc.
[05:04] <sm> yourself ?
[05:08] <froud> mdke: ginger
[05:08] <mdke> i'm very well
[05:08] <mdke> froud, eh?
[05:09] <froud> mdke: I dont want to break my nose on this
[05:09] <mdke> froud, i don't follow?
[05:10] <froud> As I said this morning, Canonical wont play ball, so neither will I
[05:10] <froud> I am focused on svn, period
[05:10] <froud> and determined to just have fun
[05:10] <mdke> without your input it will be difficult to explore that option
[05:10] <froud> if they want solutions and consulting, let them pay for it
[05:11] <mdke> none of us have experience of the process of transferring wiki material into the documentation
[05:11] <froud> my point exactly, they can pay me for it
[05:11] <froud> mdke: understand me
[05:11] <froud> mdke: I have put hours into solutions and idea
[05:11] <mdke> and that is a process which still has to continue even if the svn process remains the same
[05:12] <froud> mdke: my time has been for zero
[05:12] <mdke> i know that
[05:12] <froud> there is a place for wiki
[05:12] <froud> but not as it is used today
[05:12] <froud> I have a round trip solution
[05:12] <froud> I suggested I asked, and I discussed
[05:13] <mdke> with henrik/jane?
[05:13] <froud> it was put down as not importnat
[05:13] <froud> my focus is not about wiki
[05:13] <froud> it was seperate from
[05:13] <froud> sabfl and others
[05:14] <froud> wiki is not for documentation
[05:14] <froud> nice for wikipedia
[05:14] <froud> not howtos and books
[05:15] <froud> when this strated we wante dthe ease of editing in a wiki with the power of xml
[05:15] <froud> I tested and formed a solution
[05:15] <froud> but people dont see it
[05:16] <froud> instead they keep trying to use a spoon to hammer a 6-inch nail
[05:16] <froud> at this point I stopped caring and decided to focus on svn and ignore the noise
[05:16] <mdke> my opinion is that your solution has not been given enough visibility, clearly henrik and jane have not heard about it.
[05:17] <froud> Hmmm. chats, meetings, email messages, phone calls
[05:17] <froud> not enough
[05:17] <froud> and since when was it janes
[05:18] <froud> jane just came in at the end
[05:18] <mdke> they are both new
[05:18] <mdke> don't forget sabfdl is the sort of person who gets a million ideas and follows up a million things and then is liable to forget them
[05:18] <froud> yeah
[05:19] <froud> but we have enough of the canonical team in knowledge of the idea
[05:19] <froud> but jdub's take is we dont need it
[05:20] <froud> this is pretty much indicative of the persepctive
[05:20] <froud> so stuff it and focus on docs in svn I say
[05:20] <froud> let, wiki problems grow bigger
[05:20] <froud> maybe when there is enough pain they will react
[05:21] <mdke> i agree on focusing on docs, but even so, we still need a process for using the material in the wiki, rather than writing all docs from scratch, right?
[05:21] <froud> dont know how, but at this point they have lost my support to impliment a solution *free of charge*
[05:21] <mdke> froud, copy/paste?
[05:21] <froud> that is one way the other ways are in wiki under docteam
[05:21] <froud> none are perfct
[05:21] <froud> need some human intervention
[05:21] <mdke> k
[05:21] <mdke> sure
[05:22] <froud> but much less that copy paste
[05:22] <froud> ;-)
[05:22] <mdke> so have you decided not to write on that thread?
[05:22] <froud> yep I have and will continue to ignore all wiki issues
[05:22] <froud> what I have read
[05:22] <froud> does not address the crux of the problem
[05:23] <froud> and wont because wiki is a spoon, not a hammer
[05:23] <froud> my support is now limited to svn
[05:24] <mdke> ok
[05:24] <mdke> fair enough
[05:24] <froud> at first I was just gonna focus on fringe docs and drop docteam, but I thought that was harsh
[05:24] <mdke> *grins*
[05:24] <mdke> there are always gonna be non-perfect solutions
[05:25] <mdke> doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying
[05:25] <froud> so instead of getting caught up in all this nonsense about wiki, I just keep my nose form getting broken by staying out of it
[05:25] <mdke> your call
[05:25] <froud> yep, pretty much
[05:25] <froud> I have not been involved with wiki since I got here
[05:26] <froud> people know that I like wiki, but think it is just the wrong tool
[05:26] <mdke> i tend to agree
[05:26] <froud> everything has a place
[05:26] <mdke> but at the same time we need to use the resources of people who contribute to it
[05:26] <froud> so what are you going to write on in svn :-)
[05:27] <froud> that is Canonicals call ;-) and the crux of the problem
[05:27] <mdke> i'll tend towards the gnome side
[05:27] <mdke> userguide is priority i presume
[05:27] <froud> good which book do you want to hack
[05:27] <froud> nice
[05:27] <froud> I suggest you just go for it
[05:27] <mdke> but i will probably be better at editing than writing from scratch
[05:27] <mdke> i am no geek
[05:28] <froud> no geek, but that is good
[05:28] <froud> you just write and go for it
[05:28] <mdke> sure
[05:28] <froud> blind yourself to the noise
[05:28] <mdke> *grins*
[05:28] <mdke> nope
[05:29] <froud> unless it has to do with what you are working on
[05:29] <mdke> since i joined ubuntu my contribution has been mainly organisational and trying to enhance communication
[05:29] <mdke> no reason to stop now ;)
[05:29] <froud> you are key in i18n
[05:30] <froud> love you for it
[05:30] <froud> dont stop with that
[05:30] <mdke> i won't
[05:30] <froud> but all this wiki crap
[05:30] <froud> my advice is to blind from it
[05:30] <froud> it's a hornets nest
[05:30] <froud> and a time waster
[05:31] <froud>  focus on writing
[05:31] <froud> we dont expect a shakespear
[05:31] <froud> and the eyeballs will fix any problems
[05:31] <mdke> sure
[05:32] <mdke> but i'm gonna carry on doing a bit of liasing on the wiki thing
[05:32] <froud> your call ;-)
[05:32] <mdke> not necessary for the web portal business, but just for the zwiki->moin transition process
[05:33] <mdke> hey i'm a lawyer
[05:33] <mdke> can't resist the liasing
[05:33] <mdke> :p
[05:33] <froud> if you see something in wiki that you want to port, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConvertWikiToDocbook
[05:34] <mdke> will do
[05:34] <froud> legal hey
[05:34] <froud> I did not know that
[05:35] <mdke> no?
[05:35] <mdke> i'm not quite a lawyer
[05:35] <mdke> still training
[05:35] <froud> Ah ha
[05:35] <mdke> starting work in october
[05:35] <froud> well that to me is a legal bunny
[05:35] <froud> I like my legal bunny
[05:35] <froud> but not his bills
[05:36] <mdke> *grins*
[05:36] <mdke> bunny?
[05:37] <froud> next time you see a rabbit look into its eye and tell me he is not a lawyer
[05:37] <froud> that cute exterior
[05:37] <mdke> bunnies are cute inside too surely
[05:37] <froud> but analytical interior
[05:38] <froud> nah a bunny is always watching you
[05:38] <froud> and thinking
[05:38] <mdke> *grins*
[05:38] <froud> and hops from place to place in search of carrot
[05:38] <froud> give a bunny a carrot and he will look for a bigger one
[05:39] <froud> the bigger the carrot, the faster he hops
[05:39] <mdke> sounds like you have nasty bunnies
[05:39] <froud> either that or very bright
[05:39] <mdke> anyway, you're right that lawyers hop faster for bigger carrots
[05:40] <froud> you see, legal bunny
[05:40] <froud> legal bof
[05:40] <froud> lawyers and accountants
[05:40] <froud> alwys twist it to what they want to say
[05:40] <froud> like how much is 1+ 1
[05:41] <froud> what do you want  it to be
[05:41] <froud> whereas me I just see 1 and 0
[05:41] <mdke> *grins*
[05:41] <froud> null between
[05:41] <mdke> i'm quite black and white myself
[05:41] <froud> but they have their uses
[05:42] <mdke> my girlfriend on the other hand
[05:42] <mdke> ...
[05:42] <froud> Hmmm, women, now there's a peice of work when they are lawyers or accountants
[05:42] <froud> I account is a woman
[05:43] <froud> love her to
[05:43] <froud> drop dead grogious
[05:43] <froud> gorgious
[05:43] <froud> I feel sorry for the tax man
[05:43] <Kinnison> froud: "gorgeous" :-)
[05:43] <froud> but it is hard to concerntrate when you have a meeting with her
[05:44] <froud> Hello Kinnison
[05:44] <froud> hows the chic today
[05:45] <froud> MIPS now there is a system I have not seen in awhile
[05:45] <froud> oops giving away my age
[05:46] <froud> Nice systems, never had one fall over
[05:46] <froud> so I have fond memory of them
[05:46] <froud> feel the same about vax
[05:47] <froud> and as/400
[05:47] <mdke> Be RiGhT bAcK
[05:47] <froud> why did those things never break, but todays systems break all the time
[05:47] <froud> bring back mainframe
[05:48] <froud> Kinnison: did you know that IBM installe dover 200 mainframe systems last year ?
[05:48] <Kinnison> Seems plausible
[05:48] <froud> and heres people thinking it was dead
[05:49] <froud> well many people think the same about cobol, but it is still strong
[05:52] <Kinnison> froud: unfortunately :-)
[05:52] <Kinnison> COBOL really needs to die
[05:53] <froud> why
[05:53] <froud> J2EE compatible and .Net Compliant
[05:53] <froud> Ok a bit verbose
[05:54] <froud> but heck it does the trick will for business logic
[05:54] <froud> XML and Web Services are not a problem
[05:54] <froud> Nah, it's OK
[05:55] <froud> not as nice as Java or C++, but Cobol still rocks
[11:16] <Burgundavia> salut mpt
[11:16] <Burgundavia> can I get a comment on something?
[11:17] <mpt> good moaning Burgundavia
[11:18] <Burgundavia> can you give a quick comment on this bug? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303759
[11:22] <mpt> Burgundavia: I agree with you
[11:22] <Burgundavia> ok, can you say as much on that bug?
[11:24] <mpt> How would that help?
[11:24] <mpt> I think the thing most likely to help now would be a patch
[11:24] <Burgundavia> people often colour there judgements by who says it
[11:24] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:25] <Burgundavia> think I can convince an ubuntu person to do it?
[11:32] <mpt> Well, the Ubuntu plan of action is to package serpentine in main
[11:33] <Burgundavia> yes, I was playing with it
[11:33] <Burgundavia> very cool
[11:33] <Burgundavia> that is why I thought of the UI in it
[11:33] <mpt> So you'd need to convince someone who doesn't already have their plate full of BoF-driven work, perhaps
[11:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:33] <Burgundavia> probably a pretty easy thing to do
[11:34] <Burgundavia> I heard that the nautilus code is quite clean
[11:40] <Burgundavia> filed a bug in b.u.c


[04:08] <wyguy> I Am having trouble with my monitor beforehand i was usung linux 9.10 and i changed the metacity program and it is only showing plaid on the monitor
[04:16] <wyguy> Can anyone reverse the current monitor configurations


[01:07] <thooty> ummmm
[03:34] <head_victim> nisshh: ping if you want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam now I have had some help from some website people in making it look correct in both firefox and chrome now.
[07:26] <nisshh> head_victim, having a look now
[07:27] <nisshh> head_victim, looks like thisara got Ubuntu installed and booted from that hard drive :)
[08:40] <chesty> anyone know how to turn the ir port off on my macbookpro2,2? I'm afraid it's going to develop super strength and burn a hole in my wall
[08:41] <nisshh> chesty, smash it? :)
[08:41] <nisshh> get rid of your macbook? :)
[08:42] <chesty> it's running ubuntu
[08:43] <chesty> i didn't even now it was an ir port until I installed ubuntu and it turned on for the first time
[08:44] <chesty> actually, it's my headphone socket, weird
[08:44] <chesty> there's a red led inside the socket that's on
[08:45] <nisshh> chesty, i dont even know if its possible to turn off the ir port, sorry :|
[08:45] <chesty> I'm not even sure if it is a ir port now, I just assumed it was because it was red :P
[08:46] <nisshh> oh ok]
[11:05] <thisara> hi nisshh
[11:05] <thisara> are u there
[11:08] <nisshh> thisara, hey
[11:09] <thisara> nisshh : how is going
[11:09] <nisshh> thisara, if you type nis<tab key> then it highlights my nick and beeps so i know someone is talking to me :)
[11:10] <nisshh> unless webchat cant do that :)
[11:10] <thisara> nisshh : ok
[11:10] <nisshh> its called tab completion
[11:11] <thisara> nisshh: got it
[11:11] <nisshh> there you go :)
[11:11] <nisshh> thisara, anyway, what did you need help with?
[11:11] <thisara> nisshh: I already installed the Intel fortran compiler
[11:11] <nisshh> oh good, so its working?
[11:12] <thisara> nisshh: thats the problem
[11:12] <nisshh> oh?
[11:12] <nisshh> thisara, also, you dont need to highlight me nick, every time :)
[11:12] <nisshh> my* :)
[11:13] <thisara> nisshh: Its installed. thats sure. But now I want to installed the licence file. But I cant figure out where the Fortran is installed .
[11:14] <nisshh> hmmm
[11:14] <nisshh> do you need the license file?
[11:14] <nisshh> actually, what *is* the license file?
[11:14] <nisshh> thisara, ^^
[11:14] <thisara> nisshh: its already there with me.  Intel compiler for Linux is free. So during download, intel send the licence file to our email. I will send that for you to have a look. which is an authentification for the particular copy of the software.
[11:18] <nisshh> i see
[11:18] <nisshh> so its free but not open source?
[11:20] <thisara> nisshh: mmm..fortran compiler is same like C,  Python
[11:21] <thisara> nisshh: We have to write our own coding
[11:22] <thisara> nisshh:  but there are fortran open source fortran coding all around world. I am not sure whether you know what I am referring. One of the famous is SWAN
[11:22] <nisshh> thisara, yeah, i understand that, but i dont understand what kind of license would require you to install a license just for a compiler
[11:23] <nisshh> yeah, i dont know a heap about fortran, i do know there are/was/is a compiler or two you can get for free though
[11:23] <nisshh> thisara, you can just email me the license file if you like
[11:24] <thisara> nisshh: anyway these are my stupid quesitons in Linux
[11:24] <nisshh> that way i can understand what your trying to do
[11:24] <nisshh> thisara, hehe, they arent stupid, just a challenge to answer :)
[11:24] <thisara> nisshh: Main problem is I am migrating from Windows to Linux , so I tend to think with a mindset of windows
[11:25] <nisshh> i see, yeah, that is a common problem for some
[11:25] <thisara> nisshh: I wonder how do we find some file in the computer
[11:25] <nisshh> thisara, there are two commands, find and locate :)
[11:25] <thisara> nisshh: ex: if I wan to find the installed directory of fortran
[11:26] <thisara> nisshh: ok
[11:26] <nisshh> thisara, well, how do you compile a fortran program on the command line?
[11:26] <nisshh> thisara, if the compiler has an executable this might work: which fortran
[11:27] <nisshh> that works for Python and whatnot, it might work for fortran
[11:27] <thisara> nisshh: that infact I am not sure
[11:27] <nisshh> thisara, so you coded fortran programs in matlab on windows did you?
[11:28]  * nisshh has no idea what matlab is used for/can do
[11:28] <thisara> nisshh: I still cant understand directory structure of Linux. Becase in Windows, we know where the installations are
[11:28] <nisshh> all i know is engineers and stuff use it
[11:28] <nisshh> yeah
[11:28] <nisshh> thisara, its easy :)
[11:28] <thisara> nisshh: Matlab is different.
[11:29] <nisshh> thisara, the key difference is linux does not have anything like drive letters (C drive, D drive, etc)
[11:29] <nisshh> all extra hard drives and whatnot are mounted as part of the existing file system
[11:29] <thisara> nisshh: Most people use Matlab. It can do programming. also its a good graphical generator. But its not powerful as fortran when it comes to hardcore numerical programming. less efficient
[11:30] <nisshh> yeah
[11:30] <nisshh> thisara, ill be one minute, i just need to grab dinner from the kitchen :)
[11:30] <thisara> nisshh: today I had to install Linux three times
[11:30] <thisara> nisshh: I had to find the compatible version for Ifort
[11:30] <thisara> nisshh: OK
[11:33] <nisshh> oh ok
[11:33] <nisshh> thisara, anyway
[11:33] <nisshh> thisara, getting back to the original issue, can you email me the license file, so i can see what im dealing with?
[11:34] <thisara> nisshh: Ok  I will now
[11:34] <nisshh> ok
[11:35] <thisara> nisshh: its sent
[11:35] <nisshh> ok
[11:36] <nisshh> i should have it in a minute
[11:36] <nisshh> thisara, oh i see, whats the number in the file for?
[11:37] <thisara> nisshh: sorry. that was serial number. I sent u the correct one again
[11:37] <nisshh> oh, you sent me the wrong one?
[11:38] <nisshh> thisara, ok, and what do you normally do on windows with that file?
[11:39] <thisara> nisshh: In windows, there is a graphical interface for Intel Fortran. which has everything
[11:39] <nisshh> oh i see
[11:39] <thisara> nisshh: when we start the programme for the first time it will ask to install the license file
[11:39] <nisshh> thisara, are you using Ubunt right now?
[11:39] <nisshh> oh
[11:39] <nisshh> ok
[11:39] <thisara> nisshh: mmm not now
[11:40] <nisshh> that is really silly :)
[11:40] <thisara> nisshh: can reboot in a minute
[11:40] <nisshh> thisara, ok, please reboot into Ubuntu, jump back on IRC and then ill get you to run some commands for me :)
[11:40] <thisara> nisshh: give me 2 min
[11:43] <thisara> nisshh: hi I am back
[11:43] <nisshh> ok
[11:44] <nisshh> thisara, so how did you install the compiler? did you use the link i gave you a few emails back?
[11:45] <thisara> nisshh: u mean this link http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/using-intel-compilers-for-linux-with-ubuntu/
[11:46] <nisshh> yeah
[11:46] <nisshh> did you use that? or did you do it another way?
[11:46] <thisara> nisshh: I use almost same
[11:46] <nisshh> thisara, right
[11:47] <thisara> nisshh: but only difference was that it gave me warnings of some prerequsits. So install g++
[11:47] <nisshh> thisara, can you tell me how you compiled programs on windows with fortran? was there a command? or a button or something?
[11:47] <nisshh> ah, yeah, thats nothing to worry about then
[11:48] <thisara> nisshh: In Windows ll done in graphical interface, there is a butten for COMPILE and another one for RUN
[11:48] <nisshh> thisara, this GUI, is it part of matlab?
[11:48] <thisara> nisshh: I am not sure whether there is such a graphical interface for Ubuntu
[11:49] <thisara> nisshh: sorry, Matlab is a different software. It has nothing to do with Fortran
[11:49] <thisara> nisshh: I think I confused u
[11:49] <nisshh> you did
[11:49] <thisara> nisshh: sorry for that
[11:49] <nisshh> you said you used fortran with matlab :)
[11:50] <nisshh> or something like that :)
[11:50] <thisara> nisshh: fortran and matlab
[11:50] <thisara> nisshh: sorry for confusion
[11:50] <nisshh> thats fine
[11:51] <thisara> nisshh: well get back to the topic. I wonder how to find the installed folder of Fortran. Ex: In windows, we know it is somewehre in Programe flies
[11:51] <nisshh> thisara, yeah, im working on it, give me a moment
[11:53] <thisara> nisshh: I found anothe document on how to do the installation. this might be useful  http://www.webmo.net/support/ifort11.html
[11:54] <thisara> nisshh: but I found this once finish the installation. now I cant reverse the installation. Simply, ..dont know how to uninstall.
[11:54] <nisshh> right
[11:57] <nisshh> thisara, ok, ive just been to #fortran
[11:57] <thisara> nisshh: good
[11:57] <nisshh> and they have no expereince with intel fortran
[11:57] <nisshh> they all use gfortran (gcc for fortran)
[11:58] <nisshh> which they say should accept the same syntax you use
[11:58] <nisshh> thisara, willing to give it a shot?
[11:58] <nisshh> or do you need to use matlab?
[11:58] <thisara> nisshh: fortran syntax are same regardless of platform
[11:58] <nisshh> im still a little confused about how matlab is used with fortran
[11:58] <thisara> nisshh: I know gfortran but I dont think it s free
[11:59] <nisshh> thisara, im refferring to compiler accepted syntax, but yeah
[11:59] <nisshh> yeah, its completely frewe
[11:59] <thisara> nisshh: sorry
[11:59] <nisshh> free
[11:59] <thisara> nisshh: Run in Windows ?
[11:59] <nisshh> wait, what?
[12:00] <thisara> nisshh:  do they run gfortran in Linux ? or Windows ?
[12:00] <nisshh> thisara, its available for linux as far as i know
[12:00] <thisara> nisshh:  I earlier used it . Sometimes it has bugs.
[12:01] <nisshh> yeah
[12:01] <thisara> nisshh:  But I have never used in linux
[12:01] <nisshh> thisara, can you please join the #fortran channel, they are willing to help you
[12:01] <thisara> nisshh:  There are few other. Microsoft Power Station, Compaq
[12:01] <nisshh> yeah
[12:01] <thisara> good
[12:02] <thisara> nisshh: thanks for your time
[12:02] <nisshh> thisara, no problem, im happy to help, its just that fortran is sort of above my head :)
[12:02] <nisshh> thisara, any Ubuntu questions or help you need, come back here :)
[12:03] <thisara> nisshh:  Ok Nish. See you again after some time
[12:03] <nisshh> thisara, do you know how to join #fortran?
[12:03] <thisara> nisshh: what u mean #fortran
[12:03] <thisara> ?
[12:03] <nisshh> thisara, there is a channel on IRC called #fortran, there are people in there willing to help you
[12:04] <nisshh> thisara, gimme a sec
[12:04] <thisara> nisshh: aha ok got it
[12:04] <nisshh> thisara, click this link: irc://irc.freenode.net:8001/#fortran
[12:05] <thisara> nisshh: got it
[12:05] <nisshh> cool
[12:07] <nisshh> thisara, so, are you going to #fortran now, or...
[12:09] <thisara> nisshh:  I tried that
[12:09] <nisshh> thisara, copy and paste that link into your web browser
[12:10] <thisara> nisshh: seems its different application do I need to create a login
[12:11] <thisara> nisshh:  Ok I am there
[12:11] <thisara> nisshh: thanks
[12:12] <nisshh> cool
[12:19] <thisara> nisshh:  need to go
[12:19] <thisara> nisshh: catch u another time
[12:19] <thisara> nisshh: bye
[12:30] <gggs> hmm, webchat shows your ip to the world
[12:32] <nisshh> gggs, yeah
[12:34] <gggs> reading through the IRC rfc the other day I came across the /links cmd, and then realized FreeNode has an Australian server
[12:34] <gggs> "roddenberry.freenode.net roddenberry.freenode.net :0 Brisbane, AU"
[12:34] <nisshh> wait
[12:35] <nisshh> gggs, how did you discover an au freenode server by reading an rfc?
[12:35] <nisshh> you have super mind powers! :)
[12:35] <nisshh> now im just getting offtopic :)
[12:36] <gggs> butterfly effect, I could predict what would happen 17 years in the future by how it was written
[12:36] <nisshh> lol
[12:37] <gggs> it didn't extend my ability to avoid xmas shopping traffic today, so my super mind powers have restricted privileges
[12:39] <gggs> yea anyway I get ~400ms ping to chat.freenode.net (random server) and ~71ms to roddenberry.freenode.net
[12:39] <nisshh> oh nice lol
[12:40] <nisshh> gggs, i get 104ms ping from roddenberry.freenode.net, but im in WA, so im not as close as you
[12:41] <gggs> what do you get to your current IRC server?
[12:41] <nisshh> one sec
[12:42] <gggs> I get ~400 to leguin.
[12:42] <nisshh> gggs, i get 513ms from leguin.freenode.net, but they are in sweden :)
[12:42] <nisshh> gggs, do you have cable or ADSL2+?
[12:44] <gggs> sveeeden!
[12:44] <gggs> adsl2, I'll tell you the speed in a minute
[12:44] <nisshh> ah ok
[12:49] <gggs> ...if I can find my router's password
[12:50] <nisshh> lol
[12:52] <gggs> uh oh
[12:52] <nisshh> what happened?
[12:53] <gggs> I had everything setup quite nicely, with an admin and a normal user account, but uhh, I've no idea where I wrote them down
[12:54] <nisshh> gggs, lol, nice :)
[12:54] <nisshh> gggs, just go to speedtest.net :)
[12:57] <gggs> I'm pretty sure I wrote them down, however I'm even more sure I shred loose paper
[12:57] <nisshh> haha
[13:00] <gggs> after screwing around with the damn thing for a whole afternoon, I've shredded the only evidence of my efforts
[13:00]  * gggs sighs
[13:00] <gggs> it's about 8,000kbit/s from memory
[13:01] <sagaci> adsl1
[13:09] <nisshh> gggs, same as me then
[13:10] <gggs> I can download at about 600kB/s, I'm just cut at losing the passwords for this damn thing
[13:11] <nisshh> gggs, ah ok, i max out at about 859kb/s :)
[13:11] <sagaci> looking forward to d/l speeds at lca2011
[13:12] <sagaci> 2.2MB
[13:12] <gggs> nisshh: nice, dsl?
[13:13] <nisshh> gggs, ADSL2+
[13:13] <nisshh> sagaci, oh nice :)
[13:14] <sagaci> nisshh: sounds like adsl1
[13:14] <nisshh> sagaci, no, its ADSL2+ dude
[13:14] <nisshh> sagaci, ISP says so, my router says so :)
[13:15] <sagaci> yeah, but why are you maxing out at just ~860kbps
[13:15] <gggs> 'just' 860kB/s?
[13:16] <sagaci> gggs: yeah, just 860kB, i've been there
[13:16] <nisshh> sagaci, kilobytes, not kilobits :)
[13:16] <sagaci> yeah, we're on the same page
[13:17] <nisshh> sagaci, how fast is you net?
[13:17] <sagaci> ~21000kilobits
[13:17] <nisshh> yeah
[13:17] <sagaci> translates into around 2.1-2.2megabytes/sec
[13:17] <sagaci> that's adsl2+
[13:18] <sagaci> not annex m
[13:18] <nisshh> sagaci, i can get that speed here on adsl2+ but its more expensive than 8000mbps :)
[13:18] <sagaci> kbps* :P
[13:18] <nisshh> but i swear, i AM on adsl2+ dude
[13:18] <gggs> yea it's cheaper to wardrive and connect to routers called `dlink'
[13:18] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah lol, oops :)
[13:19] <sagaci> so you're on turbo or something
[13:19] <sagaci> it's about the same price, yeah?
[13:20] <nisshh> sagaci, im with telstra on the bigpond liberty turbo 8mbps plan with 50GB's bandwidth
[13:21] <nisshh> but i got a discount
[13:21] <nisshh> so 20mbps is far more expensive
[13:21] <sagaci> yeah, i'm on the same except elite
[13:21] <sagaci> but i'm on wireless 3g right this moment
[13:23] <nisshh> sagaci, my plan might be elite too, i cant remember :)
[13:24] <sagaci> nisshh: have you tried rebooting your router
[13:24] <nisshh> sagaci, what? why?
[13:26] <sagaci> well if you're on the elite, you should be able to get 20mbps if your line is right
[13:27] <sagaci> when I felt 20mbps dowload,
[13:27] <sagaci> i was like that dude in the chair listeing to loud music with glasses on
[13:29] <nisshh> sagaci, no, there is the 8mbps elite and the 20mbps elite :)
[13:30] <sagaci> a deprecated plan?
[13:30] <nisshh> no
[13:30] <nisshh> let me find the plan list
[13:30] <sagaci> i got it
[13:30] <sagaci> i'll imgur it
[13:31] <nisshh> ok
[13:34] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/qBFYB.png
[13:35] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, that plan
[13:35] <nisshh> but my router limits me because it cant do ADSL2+ :)
[13:35] <sagaci> so it's just your router
[13:35] <nisshh> i installed a patch that supposedly made it ADSL2+ capable
[13:35] <sagaci> what have you got
[13:36] <nisshh> but it obviously isnt working
[13:36] <gggs> hah, "Your current plan is BigPond Elite Liberty* (100GB) - ADSL $79.95 monthly", it's not even there anymore
[13:36] <nisshh> sagaci, Netgear DG834G
[13:36] <nisshh> lol, yeah
[13:36] <sagaci> nisshh: now it makes sense
[13:36] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, because it says i get ADSL2+ but obviously my router is too old
[13:36] <sagaci> 100GB is my sweet spot, since you get 256k shaped speed
[13:36] <nisshh> yeah
[13:37] <sagaci> in saying that 50GB meets my needs
[13:37] <nisshh> but i dont get shaped often, i stop downloading just before i go over
[13:37] <nisshh> and i regulate it
[13:37] <gggs> I'm 24GB through 100GB, with one day until new bill date; what do you guys go through?
[13:37] <nisshh> so i spread the 50GB's out over a month
[13:37] <sagaci> 1.5GB a day
[13:37] <nisshh> gggs, i go through all 50GB's a month
[13:38] <nisshh> but i could easily go through more
[13:38] <sagaci> youtube HD, daily linux isos aren't mirrored, only xubuntu's are
[13:38] <nisshh> yeah
[13:39] <nisshh> brb, getting dessert
[13:40] <nisshh> back now
[13:41] <gggs> aarnet is unmetered
[13:41] <sagaci> distros iso that aren't mirrored,
[13:41] <sagaci> aarnet is limited
[13:41] <nisshh> gggs, yeah i use it
[13:42] <sagaci> i abuse it
[13:42] <sagaci> 8)
[13:43] <gggs> nisshh: (ot) I'm grep'ing my entire hdd for my router's passwords, everythings a little slow
[13:43] <gggs> sagaci: you pull new ISO's daily?
[13:43] <sagaci> no
[13:46] <gggs> 200GB, even 100GB is a large amount of data for a home network
[13:46] <nisshh> gggs, hehe
[13:47] <sagaci> ubuntu one
[13:47] <sagaci> i'd use it if uploads weren't counted
[13:56] <gggs> earlier this week I measured how much traffic went through an IRC server similar to this one when idle-- 12.49kB over an hour, depending on how long the server's hostname is
[14:16] <gggs> nisshh: grep couldn't find anything, looks like I've have to reset it (eventually)
[14:16] <nisshh> gggs, that sucks :(
[14:17] <gggs> yea it's one of those Telstra-branded Thomson wifi routers, you can only change a few settings
[14:20] <nisshh> ah ok
[14:21] <nisshh> my routers control panel is not bad, i can change DHCP address range, LAN settings, wireless settings, dyndns settings, etc
[14:21] <gggs> nisshh: wifi?
[14:23] <nisshh> gggs, yes
[14:23] <nisshh> wireless == wifi
[14:24] <gggs> oh right, missed that, it's getting late
[14:25] <nisshh> lol
[14:25] <nisshh> i am fully awake currently :)
[14:29] <gggs> the only wifi router I've got is the Telstra/Thomson, purely for the N900
[14:29] <gggs> night owl hey


[01:16] <jedijf> in 11 they weny syslog dep'd messages'
[01:16] <jedijf> night typing
[01:45] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[03:01] <JonathanD> night.
[10:36] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:40] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:41] <rmg51> seems my touchpad is not working this morning :P
[10:43] <JonathanD> Good. I never did like touchpads.
[10:51] <rmg51> strange, it won't move the pointer, but if I touch it after turning the backlight off it brings the screen back on
[13:06] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:43] <InHisName> rmg51: you have an HP touchPad ?
[14:06] <rmg51> no
[14:07] <rmg51> the touchpad on my laptop
[14:38] <calvin> this joe pa thing is pissing me off
[14:38] <calvin> what do you think of it?
[14:41] <teddy-dbear> I think I want to stay as far away as I can =-O
[14:42] <MobileTurkey> indeed.
[15:27] <ChinnoDog> What is the joe pa thing?
[15:41] <rmg51> http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20111110_Joe_Paterno_says_he_ll_resign_at_season_s_end.html?cmpid=125219969
[15:41] <rmg51> ChinnoDog: ^
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> k. I read it all
[16:05] <waltman> beloved octogenerian football coach covering up sordid pedophile scandal
[16:12] <MobileTurkey> well thats that.
[16:12] <MobileTurkey> he didnt cover it up!
[16:12] <MobileTurkey> he /reported it/
[16:13] <MobileTurkey> the president should be fired not him
[16:13] <waltman> So explain to me why he didn't bring McQueary with him to the meeting with the AD. If, as the claim, there was some miscommunication about what exactly has happened, why didn't they speak to the one person who'd witnessed it?
[16:16] <waltman> Paterno was supposedly the most powerful person on campus. It boggles the mind that he didn't know what was going on.
[16:34] <MobileTurkey> Why did the guy who saw it not go to the police?
[16:34] <MobileTurkey> EXACTLY.
[16:35] <MobileTurkey> everyone is saying paterno should have gone. Paterno only had a second hand account of something he had no evidence of.
[16:51] <waltman> Right, why did McQueary only call his FATHER, and then not tell JoePa until the following day?
[16:52] <waltman> Instead of, I don't know, trying to stop it himself? He's a former football player himself. He could probably take Sandusky.
[16:52] <waltman> There's more to this story.
[16:53] <waltman> Maybe McQueary blackmailed Paterno to get an assistent coach job. Who knows?
[17:00] <MobileTurkey> either way paterno didnt do anything wrong
[17:00] <MobileTurkey> he didnt do what all that he could, but he very well did the bare minimum
[17:06] <waltman> I don't know, I think it's quite likely he was involved in a coverup to protect his longtime friend and the program.
[17:07] <waltman> He certainly never followed up with the AD.
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> sup MobileTurkey
[21:17] <MobileTurkey> I just wrote an english paper about religious wars and I am pretty sure the FEDs are going to see it because I emailed it to myself. contains the words "bomb AK47 terrorist barak obama, white house"
[21:17] <MobileTurkey> shit >.>
[21:18] <waltman> They just saw that irc post, too :)
[21:18] <EvilResistance> lol
[21:19] <EvilResistance> MobileTurkey:  i once had the feds be curious about something i stated that included some of those words
[21:19] <EvilResistance> except that when they read the paper...
[21:19] <EvilResistance> they realized it was a theoretical analysis of how a russian invasion would begin
[21:19] <EvilResistance> emailed only to myself :P
[21:19] <waltman> MobileTurkey: at times like these, scp is your friend :)
[21:19] <EvilResistance> from one computer i own to another
[21:20] <waltman> so is gpg
[21:24] <JonathanD> Met 2 possible venue-people last night.
[21:24] <MobileTurkey> EvilResistance: me as well
[21:25] <JonathanD> waltman: whats new?
[21:25] <MobileTurkey> I actually like of wanted to make them see it
[21:25] <MobileTurkey> "islam bombs terrorist AK-47 washington DC president barak obama jihad muslim attack train building
[21:25] <MobileTurkey> HEY FEDS STOP READING MY EMAIL! bunch of commies.
[21:25] <MobileTurkey> anyway...
[21:25] <EvilResistance> you're starting to make me concerned
[21:25] <waltman> JonathanD: York, Jersey, England.
[21:25] <MobileTurkey> we'll see, we'll see.
[21:25]  * EvilResistance has contacts in the federal government
[21:25] <EvilResistance> i dont want to have to use them
[21:25] <JonathanD> waltman: I shall take your word for it.
[21:25] <MobileTurkey> waltman: don't forget hampshire
[21:26] <MobileTurkey> EvilResistance: :p
[21:26] <MobileTurkey> lol
[21:26] <MobileTurkey> i read all about *your* guys on reddit
 anyone who says that is an idiot</disclaimer>
[21:26] <EvilResistance> MobileTurkey:  did i meniton i work for PEMA?
[21:27] <EvilResistance> and my contacts are at FEMA?
[21:27] <EvilResistance> which have contacts at DHS?
[21:28] <MobileTurkey> INGSOC? :P
[21:28] <MobileTurkey> Engsoc'
[21:29] <MobileTurkey> I feel like all these rage comics are just self glorifying bastards.
[21:29] <EvilResistance> lol?
[21:29] <MobileTurkey> Its not funny, thats the problem
[21:30] <MobileTurkey> none of the comics are remotely funny


[01:25] <charlie-tca> Time for something new... Let's see if I can upgrade to Natty already
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Users can only hibernate by using root?
 $ /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
 This utility may only be run by the root user.
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Maverick


[05:53] <artnay> dpm: I have the latest updates but theme names and (default) are in English. I only see revision 237 of 04_new_appearance_settings.patch - bug 968290
[05:55] <dpm> hi artnay, good morning. Yeah, I was pinging you about it yesterday. Would you mind filing a separate bug as a follow-up? This way the desktop team can track it and clean it up
[05:58] <artnay> dpm: yes, I saw your highlight this morning. shouldn't I just reopen that bug and tell that theme names (originating from http://l10n.gnome.org/POT/gnome-themes-standard.gnome-3-4/gnome-themes-standard.gnome-3-4.pot ) were not marked for translation?
[06:00] <dpm> artnay, generally developers prefer not re-opening new bugs after they've been marked as fix released. That's why I would suggest filing a new one, and adding a reference to the old one in the description
[06:01] <dpm> as per (default) being in English, it was a recent change, which I'm not sure it has made it to the language packs yet
[06:01] <dpm> so the English (default) part might be a non-bug, but the English theme names definitely still applies
[06:32] <artnay> dpm: yeah, default was included in g-c-c template but not the theme names. I'll file a new one later.
[06:32] <dpm> great, thanks artnay!
[09:18] <dpm> hi TLE, morning. If you've got a minute, would you mind testing if http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ is working for you now?
[10:38] <TLE> dpm: it shows an index of files
[10:42] <dpm> ah, we're not there yet, but getting better :)
[10:46] <dpm> argh, it was a cronjob that didn't create the localized files. Let me try again...
[11:15] <dpm> TLE, can you try again?
[11:17] <TLE> dpm: we have lift off
[11:17] <dpm> \o/
[11:17] <TLE> ;)
[11:17] <dpm> awesome
[11:18] <TLE> gotta go for two min
[11:18] <dpm> thanks for testing
[11:18] <TLE> np
[11:46] <dpm> ok, leaving early to start Easter Holidays, see you all on Tuesday!
[12:45] <gotwig> hey there
[12:45] <gotwig> kelemengabor: hey
[12:45] <kelemengabor> hi
[12:55] <gotwig> kelemengabor: I sent you a mail just now, via launchpad
[13:14] <kelemengabor> gotwig: okay, I took a look at your code. what you currently need is a beginners guide to i18n, and we don't really have one except for this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/OpWeek1003/Translate
[13:15] <kelemengabor> based on this, I think you can start learning how to internationalize your program
[13:15] <kelemengabor> currently, I don't have time to do it for you, sorry :(
[13:16] <gotwig> kelemengabor: no problem. I am in my holidays :-) I try to apply some code from the video lens
[13:17] <gotwig> kelemengabor: ok ?
[13:17] <kelemengabor> basically, you need to set up a little build system, I'd recommend python-distutils-extra, because its really simple
[13:17] <kelemengabor> that would be great :)
[13:22] <gotwig> kelemengabor: looks tooo complex :/
[13:58] <gotwig> kelemengabor: is there a way to create the POT files automaticly?
[13:59] <sagaci> gotwig: using gettext?
[13:59] <kelemengabor> you can run intltool-update -p any time
[14:00] <kelemengabor> in the po directory, that is
[14:00] <gotwig> but I dont know how to make a template for that...
[14:00] <gotwig> I inserted all the variables at the header of the files
[14:00] <gotwig> "in"
[14:00] <gotwig> where I want translations
[14:00] <gotwig> so, what now?
[14:01] <kelemengabor> create a po directory
[14:01] <gotwig> kelemengabor: have it already
[14:01] <kelemengabor> and a po/POTFILES.in file
[14:01] <gotwig> I applied that one from the other
[14:01] <gotwig> so, yeah have it
[14:01] <kelemengabor> list all the files with translatable strings in it
[14:01] <gotwig> just the pot files are missing...
[14:02] <kelemengabor> good :)
[14:02] <gotwig> so what now :D
[14:02] <kelemengabor> then you need to run intltool-update -p
[14:02] <kelemengabor> in the po directory
[14:02] <kelemengabor> that will create the pot file
[14:03] <gotwig> I already have created directories
[14:03] <gotwig> like launchpad wrote
[14:03] <gotwig> for every file
[14:03] <kelemengabor> but if you use python-distutils-extra, that will create one when you do ./setup.py build
[14:03] <gotwig> so I can remove these dir's?
[14:04] <kelemengabor> what dirs exactly?
[14:04] <gotwig> *with no content*
[14:04] <gotwig> for every pot file
[14:04] <gotwig> I created a directory
[14:04] <kelemengabor> geez, no!
[14:04] <kelemengabor> there is only one pot file
[14:04] <gotwig> kelemengabor: launchpad said that
[14:05] <kelemengabor> no need for more for such a tiny program
[14:06] <kelemengabor> cd into the po directory, and issue intltool-update -p, this should create one pot file
[14:06] <kelemengabor> that's enough
[14:07] <gotwig> vide.lens.in
[14:07] <gotwig> *video* , ehm I need also such a thing, right?
[14:08] <kelemengabor> yes, the .lens files are technically .desktop files
[14:09] <kelemengabor> so whatever is written about their localization, stands for .lens files too
[14:09] <gotwig> ehm but I have .service file already
[14:09] <gotwig> isnt that enough?
[14:09] <kelemengabor> that's a different thing
[14:10] <kelemengabor> .service files are for D-Bus, not users, so there is nothing to do with them
[14:11] <kelemengabor> .lens files contain user visible strings, so you need to deal with them
[14:12] <gotwig> kay
[14:12] <gotwig> now I have untitled.pot
[14:14] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so what now :-)
[14:15] <kelemengabor> translate it :)
[14:15] <kelemengabor> but first, check if it really has all the strings you want to translate
[14:18] <gotwig> kelemengabor: yes, it has. What you mean with translate it. I want to import it on my launchpad project
[14:19] <kelemengabor> that too, but first it is better to test it, just to see if everything is in place
[14:19] <gotwig> kelemengabor: oh ok
[14:19] <kelemengabor> I'd bet that this isn't the case ;)
[14:19] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so directly in the POT file?
[14:20] <kelemengabor> yes
[14:20]  * gotwig is lazy
[14:20] <kelemengabor> then save it as de.po
[14:22] <kelemengabor> then you can build the project, and see it in action
[14:24] <gotwig> kelemengabor: I think the pot file is wrong...
[14:25] <gotwig> kelemengabor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914590/
[14:26] <kelemengabor> looks good
[14:26] <gotwig> kelemengabor: but the " " " things
[14:26] <gotwig> kelemengabor: whats with them
[14:27] <kelemengabor> what do you mean by " " " things ?
[14:28] <gotwig> kelemengabor: msgid "" "Can't find gourmet recipe managers database in ~/.gourmet/recipes.db. Is it " "installed?" msgstr ""
[14:29] <kelemengabor> those are just long lines broken into shorter ones, don't worry
[14:31] <kelemengabor> there is one thing to worry about when testing, the "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n" line - you need to replace CHARSET by UTF-8 in this. other default values can be left unchanged, but msgfmt will bail out on this one
[14:36] <gotwig> kelemengabor: ok, so I have now my de.po
[14:36] <gotwig> kelemengabor: what now
[14:37] <kelemengabor> did you set up your project with python-distutils-extra?
[14:38] <gotwig> kelemengabor: what you mean, no
[14:38] <kelemengabor> okay, then that's the next step
[14:38] <kelemengabor> you need a minimalistic build system, to:
[14:39] <gotwig> kelemengabor: setup.py and such stuff
[14:39] <kelemengabor> * merge the translations into the lens file
[14:39] <kelemengabor> yup
[14:39] <gotwig> kelemengabor: ??
[14:39] <kelemengabor> * create .mo files from .po files and install them
[14:40] <kelemengabor> you need to automate these things, and a build system does that
[14:40] <gotwig> kelemengabor: can I apply the one from the video lens?
[14:40] <kelemengabor> yes
[14:40] <kelemengabor> with minor changes :)
[14:41] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so setup.cfg and setup.py?
[14:41] <kelemengabor> yes, nothing else!
[14:42]  * gotwig is amazed
[14:45] <gotwig> kelemengabor: 'lib/unity-lens-video'
[14:45] <gotwig> kelemengabor: duno how to replace that, or with what
[14:48] <gotwig> kelemengabor: ok, finished somehow, how does that look?
[14:49] <gotwig> kelemengabor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914623/
[14:50] <kelemengabor> with the data_files, you should tell the build system where to install and what
[14:50] <kelemengabor> so probably the lib part should have been left unchanged
[14:52] <kelemengabor> basically what you now do in the debian/unity-lens-cooking.install file should be abstracted out into setup.py
[14:53] <gotwig> kelemengabor: in the data_files section?
[14:54] <kelemengabor> yes
[14:55] <gotwig> kelemengabor: for each file?
[14:55] <kelemengabor> but I'm not really a programmer myself to explain it in enough depth
[14:55] <gotwig> kelemengabor: you dont have to
[14:55] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so for each file?
[14:55] <kelemengabor> no, for each target directory
[14:56] <kelemengabor> so if you have more .service files that go into the same directory
[14:56] <kelemengabor> they can go into the same entry
[14:56] <gotwig> kelemengabor: e.g?
[14:56] <kelemengabor> "no programmer"
[14:56] <kelemengabor> sorry :(
[14:57] <gotwig> kelemengabor: thats no programming stuff xD
[14:57] <gotwig> ^^
[14:57] <kelemengabor> I saw something like this in language-selectors setup.py
[14:57] <kelemengabor> please check that
[14:57] <gotwig> kelemengabor: language-selectors, what you mean?
[14:57] <kelemengabor> lp:language-selector
[14:59] <gotwig> kelemengabor: This branch is obsolete. Please use    bzr branch ubuntu:language-selector  from now on.
[14:59] <gotwig> lol
[14:59] <kelemengabor> yay :)
[15:08] <gotwig> kelemengabor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914644/
[15:09] <kelemengabor> looks good
[15:09] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so what now
[15:10] <kelemengabor> now you can run ./setup.py build_i18n
[15:10] <kelemengabor> and it will/should generate a pot file
[15:10] <kelemengabor> like magic! :)
[15:10] <kelemengabor> and its name won't be untitled.pot, but unity-lens-cooking.pot
[15:11] <kelemengabor> now you can commit that into the branch and set it up for import into LP
[15:11] <gotwig> ERROR
[15:11] <kelemengabor> ?
[15:11] <gotwig> kelemengabor: NOTICE: po/de.po is not in UTF-8 but CHARSET, converting... Unknown encoding 'CHARSET' at /usr/bin/intltool-merge line 419
[15:12] <kelemengabor> yay...
[15:12] <kelemengabor> told you :)
[15:12] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so what xD
[15:12] <kelemengabor> (16.31.11) kelemengabor: there is one thing to worry about when testing, the "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n" line - you need to replace CHARSET by UTF-8 in this. other default values can be left unchanged, but msgfmt will bail out on this one
[15:13]  * gotwig ist wütend
[15:13] <gotwig> kelemengabor: intltool-merge -d po cooking.lens.in build/share/unity/lenses/cooking/cooking.lens Merging translations into build/share/unity/lenses/cooking/cooking.lens.
[15:13] <gotwig> kelemengabor: worked
[15:14] <kelemengabor> the translations exported from LP won't suffer from this, but if you test manually, you have to take care of such silly details
[15:14] <kelemengabor> nice!
[15:14] <gotwig> kelemengabor: so what now
[15:14] <gotwig> ;)
[15:14] <gotwig> build a package with debuild for my own?
[15:14] <kelemengabor> yes
[15:14] <gotwig> kelemengabor: how old are you
[15:15] <kelemengabor> and see if that goes alright
[15:15] <kelemengabor> that's irrelevant ;)
[15:16] <gotwig> not for me, Sir ^^
[15:16] <gotwig> kelemengabor: thanks for your help
[15:16] <kelemengabor> you are welcome :)
[15:18] <gotwig> so now testing
[15:18] <gotwig> finished
[15:18] <gotwig> have to restart my pc...
[15:25] <gotwig> hey
[15:26] <gotwig> kelemengabor: dont worked, I think I have to import some libraries...
[15:26] <gotwig> kelemengabor: NameError: name 'APP_NAME' is not defined
[15:26] <kelemengabor> um, yes
[15:27] <kelemengabor> there is a few lines to be inserted in the code
[15:27] <gotwig> kelemengabor: what is the error here ^
[15:27] <kelemengabor> http://docs.python.org/library/gettext.html
[15:27] <gotwig> kelemengabor: In the scopes : NameError: name '_' is not defined
[15:28] <kelemengabor> see the example code under 22.1.1. GNU gettext API
[15:29] <gotwig> kelemengabor: whats up with APPNAME?
[15:30] <gotwig> APP_NAME
[15:31] <kelemengabor> in many cases the gettext initialization needs to happen in many files, because there are multiple executables in the same project, and to make this more reliable, developers define these in a config.py file, which they import and use the variables
[15:32] <kelemengabor> this is why you see this APP_NAME in the copied code
[15:32] <gotwig> config.py :/
[15:32] <kelemengabor> but, for such simple projects, this is not necessary
[15:32] <kelemengabor> and you can simply replace it with the name of the pot file
[15:32] <kelemengabor> which is called here the translation domain
[15:33] <kelemengabor> and the path part in the bindtextdomain call can be /usr/shar/locale
[15:33] <gotwig> the local_PATH ?
[15:34] <kelemengabor> so just hardwire it in the code, and hope that it won't get much more complicated in the future :)
[15:34] <kelemengabor> yes, that one
[15:34] <gotwig> and APP_NAME?
[15:35] <gotwig> kelemengabor: hm, I g2g in 1 min...
[15:36] <kelemengabor> that would be the value of the name= key in setup.py
[15:36] <andrejz> hi!
[15:36] <gotwig> andrejz: jo
[15:36] <andrejz> does docs site work for anyone else http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ ?
[15:36] <kelemengabor> unity-lens-cooking
[15:37] <kelemengabor> andrejz: not for me
[15:37] <gotwig> kelemengabor: thanks
[15:38] <andrejz> kelemengabor what does unity-lens-cooking do?
[15:38] <kelemengabor> searches recipes online
[15:38] <kelemengabor> gotwig was learning how to internationalize things :)
[15:39] <andrejz> that sounds quite cool
[15:39] <andrejz> altough i don't know how helpful is it to internationalize the lense if the source (recipies) are in english
[15:40] <kelemengabor> yeah... but it just became apparent that we don't really have good developer tutorials on this topic
[15:42] <kelemengabor> well, that's a good question, but I think the helpful thing is that he learned a little about i18n in general :)
[15:49] <andrejz> too bad web page doesn't work
[15:49] <andrejz> i was planning to review the documentation
[15:50] <andrejz> version on HDD is outdated :(
[16:08] <gotwig> hey
[16:08] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: jo
[16:08] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: the lens now somehow runs, but the scope give me : Traceback (most recent call last):   File "./unity-scope-recipefy", line 14, in <module>     RUNNING	 = _("Failed to own name %s. Bailing out. An other instance is already running!") NameError: name '_' is not defined
[16:08] <kelemengabor1> hi gotwig
[16:09] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: should I paste the file?
[16:09] <kelemengabor1> yes - you have to import gettext in every file
[16:09] <kelemengabor1> that contains translatable strings
[16:10] <kelemengabor1> also the _ = gettext.gettext line
[16:10] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914729/
[16:11] <kelemengabor1> and nothing else - so not the textdomain things
[16:11] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: is in the lenns file tooo much info?
[16:11] <gotwig> "lens"
[16:12] <kelemengabor1> no :)
[16:13] <kelemengabor1> but the _ = gettext.gettext is missing in most of these
[16:13] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: I need more than that
[16:13] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: LANG= etc. , roo
[16:13] <gotwig> "too"
[16:14] <kelemengabor1> in theory, not
[16:14] <kelemengabor1> the initialization stuff needs to be defined once per process
[16:14] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: so yes... ?
[16:14] <kelemengabor1> the meaning of the underscore is once per file
[16:14] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: per system process?
[16:15] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: I totaly dont understand what I have to do now :(
[16:17] <kelemengabor1> so...
[16:17] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: cant I just apply the specific header things from the lens file?
[16:17] <kelemengabor1> if it is a standalone process, it needs to know where it should look for translations
[16:18] <kelemengabor1> if it is an imported module, then this is not needed
[16:18] <kelemengabor1> this is why the textdomain needs to be set once per process
[16:19] <kelemengabor1> but the gettext module needs to be imported into each file that uses it
[16:20] <kelemengabor1> and because it is a little long to type gettext.gettext(), you need to define a convenience alias for it
[16:20] <kelemengabor1> also for each file that uses it
[16:21] <kelemengabor1> now on to the paste, I think the gettext initialization is overcomplicated for no specific reason, between lines 251 and 290
[16:22] <kelemengabor1> the environment variables are usually handled correctly by Python itself
[16:22] <kelemengabor1> so no need to fuss with them, IMHO
[16:23] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: the video lens has these lines (?)
[16:23] <kelemengabor1> ask its developer why :)
[16:24] <kelemengabor1> because usually it is not necessary...
[16:24] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: the developer said he had nothing to do with the translations
[16:24] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: so do  you know how I can replace it ?
[16:25]  * gotwig wishes a 'golden' paste
[16:25] <kelemengabor1> yes, look at the example code on http://docs.python.org/library/gettext.html
[16:25] <kelemengabor1> those are the important things
[16:28] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: haha, my translated error message gets displayed
[16:28] <kelemengabor1> cool :)
[16:28] <gotwig> for geeks maybe xD^^
[16:32] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hm.. I got a few problems
[16:33] <kelemengabor1> still? :(
[16:33] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: I restart
[16:33] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: wait
[16:40] <gotwig> hey
[16:40] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: jo
[16:40] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: does not work!! :X
[16:41] <kelemengabor1> :(
[16:41] <kelemengabor1> any error message?
[16:42] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: in the lens, yes
[16:42] <gotwig> (process:7915): libunity-WARNING **: unity-scope-factory.vala:78: Unable to search for scopes: No such file or directory
[16:43] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hmm...
[16:44] <kelemengabor1> this is at least not an i18n error :)
[16:44] <kelemengabor1> rather packaging...
[16:47] <Atlantic777> Hi! Is there a way for my translation of vimtutor file be in the Precise repositories?
[16:48] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: ... any plan? should i paste ß
[16:48] <gotwig> ?
[17:03] <kelemengabor1> re
[17:04] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: any idea, boss :D ?
[17:04] <kelemengabor1> well, without seeing the code...
[17:04] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: well, I could up it
[17:04] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: but that would break some stuff
[17:05] <kelemengabor1> please do
[17:05] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: I mean, its not that stable
[17:05] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: can I past it
[17:05] <gotwig> ?
[17:05] <gotwig> or, wait I just up it in U1
[17:05] <kelemengabor1> paste is fine
[17:05] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: which files?
[17:06] <kelemengabor1> hm, any/all of them :)
[17:06] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: ok, wait for U1 up :O
[17:10] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: you can edit the files, when I have your mail
[17:10] <kelemengabor1> okay, kelemeng at ubuntu dot com
[17:11] <gotwig> a ubuntu mail adress, cool :P
[17:11] <kelemengabor1> be an ubuntu member, and you can have one too :)
[17:11] <gotwig> I know, but its not that easy :X
[17:12] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: ok, I added you to the share list
[17:12] <kelemengabor1> got it
[17:15] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: goood
[17:17] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hmm, do you know the IRC channel name of canonical?
[17:17] <kelemengabor1> no
[17:19] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hm, do you see something strange in the code ... ?
[17:22]  * gotwig is afk for 10 mins
[17:22] <kelemengabor1> nothing yet
[17:31]  * gotwig is back
[17:35] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: :-)
[17:36] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: you haven't found anything wrong, right :X ?
[17:37] <kelemengabor1> gotwig: sorry, something is wrong with my U1 account, I see the folder on the web, but it does not sync locally
[17:37] <kelemengabor1> could you share it again, this time with kelemeng at gnome dot hu?
[17:37] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: ok
[17:38] <kelemengabor1> thanks
[17:38] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: I  thank you.
[17:39] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: got it?
[17:39] <kelemengabor1> yes
[17:49] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: :-) ?
[17:49] <kelemengabor1> still does not sync :(
[17:49] <kelemengabor1> please send a tarball :)
[17:55] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hmmm
[17:55] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: you can simply download it over the webpage
[17:56] <gotwig> , cant you?
[17:57] <kelemengabor1> I don't see an option for that
[17:57] <gotwig> wget has all options, lol. :D
[17:58] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: to the gnome mail adress?
[17:58] <kelemengabor1> yes please :)
[18:00] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: sent
[18:03] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: got it?
[18:03] <kelemengabor1> yes
[18:08] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: good
[18:16] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: found anything (  third question :O ^^)
[18:16] <kelemengabor1> nothing outstanding, but the deb file is successfully built :)
[18:16] <kelemengabor1> logging out to test it
[18:21] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: back..
[18:21] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: somehow I had a timeout
[18:22] <gotwig_> henninge: hey
[18:26] <henninge> Hi gotwig_ !
[18:27] <gotwig_> henninge: J0!
[18:29] <kelemengabor1> gotwig_: okay, one problem: the package does not contain the .mo files
[18:30] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: ok
[18:30] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: so do you have a solution
[18:31] <kelemengabor1> they are generated in build/mo, they should go to /usr/share/locale/
[18:32] <kelemengabor1> well... this is just one problem, there may be others too. not sure yet
[18:32] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: can I manualy copy them there, and than retest?
[18:32] <kelemengabor1> yes, it is worth a try
[18:33] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: it doesnt looks bad, IMHO...
[18:33] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: the error message in console worked
[18:33] <gotwig_> for scope
[18:33] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: in german
[18:33] <kelemengabor1> good, then we are close :)
[18:34] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: but I g2g soon :(!
[18:34] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: in which timezone are you?
[18:34] <kelemengabor1> CEST
[18:34] <kelemengabor1> but tomorrow I'll be traveling
[18:34] <gotwig_> damn
[18:34] <gotwig_> :-)
[18:35] <gotwig_> have fun
[18:35] <kelemengabor1> usually, you can find me here
[18:35] <kelemengabor1> I'll be offline only for one day, so you can find me on friday and after :)
[18:36] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: I dont know why they dont run...
[18:36] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: oh and I see no lenss
[18:36] <gotwig_> "lens"
[18:36] <kelemengabor1> I see it, but does not work
[18:37] <kelemengabor1> I mean after typing in something, I should see some results, right?
[18:38] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: yes, and you should see the icon of the lens
[18:38] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: in the dash
[18:38] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: thats more importantt
[18:38] <gotwig_> "important"
[18:38] <kelemengabor1> the icon appears
[18:38] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: do you know someone other that may help me?
[18:39] <kelemengabor1> not really, I'm not into lens development, but ask on #ubuntu
[18:39] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: thanks, bye
[18:39] <kelemengabor1> bye
[18:39] <gotwig_> kelemengabor1: good night ;Ü
[18:40] <kelemengabor1> oh, one more thing!
[18:40] <kelemengabor1> you install the lens from the wrong dir
[18:41] <kelemengabor1> in debian/unity-lens-cooking.install
[18:41] <kelemengabor1> you should install the one from build/share
[18:41] <kelemengabor1> not the one from the project root
[18:41] <kelemengabor1> which, btw, should not exist anymore
[19:29] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hey
[19:33] <kelemengabor1> re gotwig
[19:58] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: so, is there something wrong in packaging?
[19:59] <kelemengabor1> yes, the lens file
[19:59] <kelemengabor1> I don't think this is why it does not work, but nevertheless :)
[20:00] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: hm
[20:00] <kelemengabor1> these things: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/04/%23ubuntu-translators.html#t18:40
[20:01] <gotwig> ??
[20:02] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: eh, so does your build work??
[20:02] <kelemengabor1> no, it doesn't, this is another problem
[20:02] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: which?
[20:03] <gotwig> duno :X?
[20:03] <kelemengabor1> the lens file
[20:03] <kelemengabor1> you do not install the translated one, but the old one
[20:03] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: so do you have a solution??
[20:04] <gotwig> I have to take the one from build, rightt?
[20:04] <kelemengabor1> I have no idea why the search itself does not work
[20:04] <kelemengabor1> yes
[20:05] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: maybe it has problems with communicating with the scopes... ? but I changed nothing there
[20:05] <gotwig> kelemengabor1: so what do I have to change now, to be on the same level as you?
[20:07] <kelemengabor1> um, I didn't changed anything, I'm just telling what to do :)
[20:07] <kelemengabor1> but this install problem is in the debian/*install file
[20:09] <kelemengabor1> cooking.lens /usr/share/unity/lenses/cooking
[20:09] <kelemengabor1> this line
[20:10] <gotwig> what with it
[20:10] <kelemengabor1> and of course you should be fixing the .mo files installation while you are there :)
[20:11] <gotwig> so  whats wrong in the install file
[20:11] <kelemengabor1> build/share/unity/lenses/cooking/cooking.lens /usr/share/unity/lenses/cooking
[20:11] <kelemengabor1> I think this should do it
[20:12] <kelemengabor1> and similarly with mo files
[20:12] <kelemengabor1> build/mo/* /usr/share/locale
[20:17] <kelemengabor1> gotta go, bye all!
[21:42] <gotwig> hey
[21:42] <gotwig> Please help me in translating my cooking lens & scopes in your native lanuage :-) https://translations.launchpad.net/lens-cooking/trunk


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[02:46] <lilstevie> infinity, it gets especially fun in virtualisation scenarios like with virtualbox or vmware