[00:11] <holmanb> blackboxsw: I got some initial comments up on the A-D schema PR. More to come tomorrow
[08:39] <meena> somebody reminded me that i need to submit a fix from almost a year ago: https://bsd.network/@brd/107678887598348834 / https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254339
[16:22] <holmanb> meena: Do you know of any docs describing running cloud-init with freebsd? I wouldn't know how to test such a PR.
[19:43] <meena> holmanb: you install it, and enable the service
[19:44] <meena> oh, and enable logging, or else the whole thing is going to be useless
[19:45] <meena> pkg install net/cloud-init
[19:45] <meena> sysrc cloudinit_enable="YES"
[19:48] <meena> in /usr/local/etc/cloud-init/ subdir make it so the logging config is included, so you're not flying blind
[19:55] <holmanb> meena: thanks!
[21:44] <blackboxsw> holmanb: I mentioned at standup today as far as setup of AWS Nitro-based systems with IPv6 IMDS I followed this guide (+ an initial pycloudlib Ec2 instance launch with dual-stack via ec2.get_or_create_vpc() call). https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/networking-and-content-delivery/introducing-ipv6-only-subnets-and-ec2-instances/
[21:45] <blackboxsw> I'm now able to confirm access to Ec2's IPv6 IMDS on my end. will run through a couple of tests locally and see if I can't shape up a PR for pycloudlib to make this easier. Right now to get access to IPv6 only I'm doing (probably a silly thing) ssh IPv4 into my dual-stack instance as a bastion host that can then ssh into the IPv6 only instance.
[22:40] <holmanb> blackboxsw: thanks for the ptr
[22:42] <blackboxsw> what remains to be understood is how I can not seem to scp into the instance, but can ssh in.
[22:56] <echeadle> I am trying to use cloud-init on Ubuntu server 21.10.   I am using packer. I start the process and watch the progress on a virtualbox display.   The graphical installer always runs and stops the process.  This did not happen on 20.04.  Is there an easy way to disable the graphical installer so cloud-init can finish?
[22:57] <blackboxsw> one interesting "cost" I'm seeing on these systems with Nitro IPv6 IMDS is a really slow crawl of metadata..   IPv6(+03.58600s) versus ipv4(+00.19400s)
[22:59] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: are you using a commit with ipv4 before ipv6?
[22:59] <blackboxsw> holmanb: no I was just trying to reorder ipv6 first intentionally to see how it'd behave
[22:59] <holmanb> ahh, huh
[22:59] <holmanb> interesting
[23:00] <blackboxsw> yeah holmanb not a logic problem in your implementation, but an IMDS IPv6 implementation prob I think
[23:00] <holmanb> curious
[23:01] <holmanb> curious if aws devs are aware of that
[23:01] <blackboxsw> echeadle: thanks for the question, I'm presuming you might be using  Ubuntu server live iso maybe which is subiquity mased? Can you walk us through steps to reproduce the problem?
[23:01] <holmanb> 3.5s is significant
[23:01] <blackboxsw> s/subiquity mased/subiquity-based installer ISOs/ ?
[23:01] <blackboxsw> holmanb: yeah
[23:02] <blackboxsw> holmanb: yeah I need to get more data on that to see where the hangup is. it might be misconfiguration of routes not sure. haven't gotten more that a high-level smell there so far
[23:02] <echeadle> Sorry, yes it is the live server: https://releases.ubuntu.com/21.10/ubuntu-21.10-live-server-amd64.iso"
[23:03] <echeadle> In the boot_command I have "autoinstall ds=nocloud-net;s=http://{{ .HTTPIP }}:{{ .HTTPPort }}/
[23:04] <minimal> blackboxsw: on a related IPv6 note, the fallback DHCP in cloud-init is IPv4 only currently
[23:04] <blackboxsw> echeadle: for a "headless" deployment you might want to use stock ubuntu server images (not server-live ISOs): https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/impish/current/
[23:04] <echeadle> It seems to find the user-data file and seems to run. But the ubuntu installer always runs after cloud-init runs.  On 20.04 things rand fine
[23:05] <echeadle> Ok thanks.  I am new to Ubuntu and in the examples I was following, they used the live server.
[23:06] <echeadle> I appreciate the help.
[23:06] <blackboxsw> echeadle: somewhat related, I think some of the interactions with cloud-init and server-live images are not exactly desirable for folks trying to roll their own images. See comment here for details
[23:06] <blackboxsw> echeadle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1958377/comments/11
[23:06] <echeadle> fantastic
[23:06] <blackboxsw> echeadle: to better educate me, are you following any public packer procedure/docs that you could reference for us?
[23:07] <blackboxsw> then I can better understand use-cases folks run into
[23:09] <echeadle> I started with Jeff Geerling's example repo found on github at  geerlingguy/packer-boxes.
[23:09] <echeadle> https://imagineer.in/blog/packer-build-for-ubuntu-20-04/
[23:09] <echeadle> https://github.com/Praseetha-KR/packer-ubuntu
[23:09] <blackboxsw> minimal: +1 and yes thanks, I'm going through the paces of exercising holmanb's https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1160
[23:10] <echeadle> https://www.golinuxcloud.com/generate-user-data-file-ubuntu-20-04/
[23:10] <blackboxsw> ... per ec2/ipv6: and testing our failure paths, including our dhcp4-only sandboxed dhclient action on an IPv6 only box.  some rough edges for us to understand/sort there
[23:10] <blackboxsw> thanks echeadle
[23:10] <echeadle> were three url's I found. Then just looking around stackoverflow and comments in askubunty
[23:11] <minimal> blackboxsw: yeah I know. I was recently trying to do IPv6-only with NoCloud via seed-urls and hit the problem of no IPv6 DHCP which defeated the IPv6-only aspect
[23:12] <blackboxsw> minimal: yeah I totally recall  seeing your conversation here back and forth on that. That is definitely a gap we hope to shore up in the short term here.
[23:12]  * blackboxsw needs to re-read that in logs again for context
[23:13] <minimal> blackboxsw: it was to do with there (obviously) being no way to provide network-config and so the fallback kicked in
[23:15] <minimal> blackboxsw: unrelated question: would there be any object to writing cloud-init code that extracts data from /etc/shadow? I was going to write a PR for the issue I flagged a while ago about needing to prefix user passwords with a "*" rather than using the lock_passwd option but obviously code cannot prefix an existing hashed password without accessing /etc/shadow
[23:15] <minimal> s/object/objection/
[23:15] <blackboxsw> ahh, ok. I was hoping we can grow both dhcp4/6 support for fallback as well as EphemeralDHCPv4/EphemeralDHCPv6 for pre-networking discovery
[23:20] <blackboxsw> minimal: my security bells are going off.  I vaguely recall seeing discussion on the /etc/shadow * character. but can't place the orig problem.   this was due to passwd -l or something?
[23:22] <minimal> blackboxsw: its to do with openssh specifically - if a password is locked AND if PAM is not enabled for openssh then it refused to let key-based ssh work for that account
[23:24] <minimal> I assume most distros have PAM compiled for openssh and also the sshd_config has PAM enabled by default - in my case Alpine provided to distinct packages for openssh (with no PAM compiled in) and openssh-pam. Even with PAM support present someone may not wish to have it enabled for openssh. So I wanted to write functionality to prefix the user's password with "*", rather than "!" (which signifies a locked password)
[23:24] <minimal> however there seems to be no utility that will do the "*" prefix (unlike "passwd -l") and so I'd need to read /etc/shadow in order to get any existing hash to prefix it
[23:26] <blackboxsw> +1 and interesting condition there. I can't claim to understand the implications fully yet and I need to read some more man pages to feel super comfortable about the write direct to /etc/shadow. I'll take that question to our security team too to see if there are adverse concerns there. The only thing I'd like to understand more fully is whether there were a preferred utility that did that for you anyway outside of going
[23:26] <blackboxsw> into /etc/shadow directly to make that change (in case /etc/shadow format changed in the future etc )
[23:28] <minimal> blackboxsw: that's my point, I have found no util that provides a means to prefix a hashed password
[23:29] <minimal> without this I have no means to "lock" an account to prevent password access (in general, not just via SSH) yet permit key-based SSH access to the same account
[23:32] <blackboxsw> minimal: +1, I've almost understood. Strange to me that a util doesn't exist to do this, but I admit being in the shallow end of the pool here.
[23:33] <minimal> blackboxsw: I guess there are not many use cases for wanted to add an arbitary prefix to a hashed password entry
[23:35] <minimal> usermod -p "*" is no use as that looses any existing password (and so this change can't be reverted later)
[23:38] <blackboxsw> I can promise to make sure the right eyes see a PR like this to vet any concerns and I'll spend a bit more time understanding the potential impact of direct modification.  Given that chage and passwd, usermod  and their related tools  play around  in that space too writing/updating the file is a fairly well trodden by these tools. I'll spend some time reading through man pages there to see if anything else that could
[23:38] <blackboxsw> suffice.
[23:38] <minimal> blackboxsw: I believe this is the relevant line in openssh: https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/blob/master/auth.c#L136
[23:39] <minimal> note the "!options.use_pam" part - its treatment is condition on whether PAM is enabled/disabled
[23:40] <minimal> in general it seems that BSDs and Linux treat locked accounts differently - according to the Linux manpages a locked account is locked for password access, not for all access (i.e. SSH key). I think BSDs treat locked to mean locked in all/most cases
[23:41] <minimal> I sat down yesterday to write a c-i PR for this and then ti dawned on me that I didn't know of any util to add the "*" prefix....doh!
[23:42] <blackboxsw> ahh ok. I'm basically at your square one yesterday :)
[23:42] <blackboxsw> just trying to vet that it is not the case so I can understand context
[23:46] <minimal> blackboxsw: the openssh "problem" is easy to see - edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change UsePAM to "no", restart sshd, and then try and ssh in and see it refused
[23:46] <minimal> for an account with a locked password that is....


[21:02] <mackyle> I was reviewing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/SwatTeam and noticed that it still mentions "irc.freenode.net", would someone here, perhaps, be able to correct that?


[18:36] <annodomini> While trying to develop an upstart job, I seem to have gotten it in a wedged state. Is there any way to get out of this state?
[18:36] <annodomini> $ initctl list | grep reprepro
[18:36] <annodomini> reprepro-gpg start/killed, process 13361
[18:37] <annodomini> But if I try to run start reprepro-gpg or stop reprepro gpg, it just hangs.
[18:38] <annodomini> Here's my configuration: https://gist.github.com/lambda/8961767
[18:39] <annodomini> This is upstart 1.5 on Ubuntu 12.04.4


[16:07] <hazmat> is there a way to get the apt to use the 'real' java installed instead of trying to pull in a gcj stack?
[16:09] <hazmat> ie. if i do update-java-alternatives and pick the sun or openjdk
[16:10] <hazmat> and then try to install something like maven, apt still wants to pull down the entire gcj stack
[16:32] <persia> hazmat: Yes, but not trivially, or client-side.
[16:33] <persia> Essentially it requires investigating the dependency stacks,and ensuring that there exists a gcj-clean path.
[16:34] <persia> Note that if any adjustments are required, it's important to *also* support the -gcj path for folks that want to run natively.
[16:37] <hazmat> persia, so what would a gcj clean path look like.. let's take ant as an example (smaller transitive dep stack) i see default-jre-headless and libxerces2-java as the deps.. lbiexerces2-java also needs the same default-jre-headless and libjaxp which just needs a default-jre-headless
[16:37] <hazmat> so afaics thats a gcj-clean path
[16:38] <hazmat> yet attempting an installation will still pull in a gcj stack
[16:39] <persia> I have ant installed on my workstation and no -gcj packages.
[16:40] <persia> Could you paste the output of `apt-get install ant` in your target environment?
[16:41] <hazmat> persia, http://gist.github.com/367258
[16:42] <hazmat> and my java alternatives.. http://gist.github.com/367261
[16:42] <hazmat> karmic fwiw
[16:43] <persia> Ah, right.
[16:43] <persia> So ant-gcj is a recomemndation, and you have recommends turned on by default.
[16:43] <persia> You either need to use --no-install-recommends or use a more nuanced package manager.


[00:10] <fxr> luls going through the forums,,  and seen somebody use MY edgy instructions for this device to get it working on gutsy..
[00:10] <fxr> and just 21 hours ago --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3875574&postcount=28
[00:11] <fxr> i still cnt work it out : \
[00:11] <fxr> is their anything architecurally different bewteen mythbuntu and standard gutsy that could explain my sore head?
[00:12] <directhex> no
[00:12] <fxr> even with the naming conventions of linux-headers, ?
[00:19] <fxr> ahhh, is linux source different that linux headers?
[00:20] <fxr> that = than
[00:23] <directhex> fxr, linux-source is 100% different to linux-headers
[00:23] <fxr> sweet.. i reckon that might be it.. thanks..
[00:24] <fxr> i would need linux-source to build kernel modules maybe?
[00:24] <Tari> no, you should only need linux-headers
[00:26] <fxr> mmm , there is a ./Configure query where it asks for linux kernel source, i was just pointing it at the usr/src/headers directory..
[00:33] <fxr> i just want to be able to watch tv again.. everything was great until the motherboard blew up on my old mythdora box
[00:39] <CyberDoo> My system was working fine till today when I had a power spike and it restarted my system, now my remote stopped working. I've ran the LIRC troubleshooter and lirc is working properly with IRW reading every code for my remote fine. When I start up mythfrontend I don't see a LIRC connected message at all, nor does pressing any buttons work on the remote.
[00:44] <superm1_> CyberDoo, if you didn't change anything with your config,  iwould suspect hardware problems
[00:46] <directhex> superm1_, random reboots plus crap file systems can cause bollocksed config files
[00:47] <superm1_> i would think those would manifest in more visible ways then
[00:48] <directhex> you'd be surprised
[00:49] <directhex> i still have no functional getty on my myth machine, following a file system spasm
[00:53] <CyberDoo> Everything else works fine, I can use the system with a keyboard.
[01:03] <CyberDoo> Its upsetting because I had a hell of a time with getting the remote to work in the first place. I'm almost to the point of throwing out this microsoft usb remote crap and getting something else that works.
[01:06] <superm1> CyberDoo, the mceusb2?
[01:07] <superm1> it has been the best "out of box" experience i've had of remotes
[01:08] <CyberDoo> Yeah, model 1069 with the SMC reciever. It was all working fine untill the power spike.
[01:09] <superm1> CyberDoo, well try to open up mcc
[01:09] <superm1> and regenerate your lircrc and such
[01:09] <CyberDoo> Okay, I'll give it a wack.
[01:19] <CyberDoo> Doesn't mythtv give a message when it has connected to lirc?
[01:21] <superm1> um i dont think so
[01:21] <superm1> only if there is an error connecting to lirc
[01:22] <superm1> does ti give a message
[01:22] <CyberDoo> Yeah, I shut down lirc to see if it would and it did.
[01:22] <CyberDoo> Thought it gave a message when it connected though....I don't even know if mythtv is connecting to lirc....
[01:23] <CyberDoo> Run lirc to the local terminal....
[01:25] <superm1> be mindful of permissions if you do that
[01:25] <superm1> rather than the init script
[01:25] <CyberDoo> Yeah, I remember.
[01:28] <CyberDoo> Okay, well myth is connecting properly.....must be something wrong with the lircrc file right?
[01:35] <CyberDoo> There wouldn't be anything wrong with any of the latest updates to ubuntu, would there?
[01:35] <superm1> well unless the newer mythbuntu-lirc-generator broke things for you
[01:35] <superm1> i really hope it didn't
[01:36] <superm1> foxbuntu did change a few things in it, but it didn't break for anyone else afaik
[01:36] <CyberDoo> Hmmm, I did download it and ran it trying to solve my problem.
[01:36] <superm1> but the problem existed "before"
[01:36] <superm1> right?
[01:36] <CyberDoo> Yeah, it did.
[01:37] <superm1> okay then it wouldn't have done any harm to you then
[01:37] <CyberDoo> That's why I ran the updates thinking it might fix it...
[01:38] <CyberDoo> Does the generator backup any existing lircrc files?
[01:38] <superm1> Yes
[01:38] <CyberDoo> I think I found them...
[01:39] <CyberDoo> Diff says my old lircrc file and the current one are the same.
[01:40] <CyberDoo> I'll have to look at this later, I gotta get to work....thanks for all the help superm1.
[01:40] <superm1> alirhg
[01:40] <superm1> alright even
[01:40] <superm1> good luck :)
[01:42] <CyberDoo> in the lircrc file remote = has to be the same as the name parameter in the lircd.conf file, right? Just thought about it.
[01:42] <superm1> yeah
[01:42] <superm1> that is pulled from it automatically
[01:42] <CyberDoo> okay the thats okay......later.
[01:42] <superm1> when mlg parses
[01:44] <superm1> hey bdmurray i wanted to ask you about some QA related stuff when you get a minute.  Particularly if there are some automated methods for getting these apport reported bugs on things like mplayer and vlc sent upstream.  there is an awfully large number of them growing,.  I don't suspect many MOTUs will be fixing them locally in ubuntu, but  they can probably be useful to upstream.
[02:48] <Odd-rationale> Hello! Does the direct download link on the website work? All I get is a blank page.
[02:59] <tgm4883> Odd-rationale, which link?
[03:43] <wilberfan> where do i enter my netflix info--so i can see my queue, etc?  I can't find that anywhere...
[03:54] <wilberfan> Is the mythflix plugin standard in mythbuntu...or do i need to install it?
[04:02] <tgm4883> wilberfan, did you do a standard install?
[04:03] <wilberfan> god, it's a blur...  i think i did the advanced install?
[04:03] <wilberfan> but i left everything checked....
[04:05] <tgm4883> wilberfan, it seems that there is no configuration ui for mythflix.  Look here for how to do it  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythFlix_README
[04:05] <Jonathon> I have a mythtv setup up and going with twin tuner cards and I am quite happy with it. There is just one small problem left to fix and that is in the program guide.
[04:06] <Jonathon> The program guide when search (e.g. under the schedule recording) shows all channels, but on the main guide display (when starting to watch tv) it only shows some of the channel programs, the rest are unknown. Is there a way to fix this?
[04:07] <tgm4883> Jonathon, what are you using to get channel data?
[04:08] <Jonathon> Shepherd
[04:08] <Jonathon> I tried changing the region code to see if that helped, and I verified it downloaded all channels and parsed them, but it just does not show up in the main window of the guide?
[04:08] <tgm4883> strange
[04:09] <Jonathon> I thought it was between the xml file and mythtv, but I just found out I can search on keywords and match programs on the two missing channels, they just don't show on the displayed guide?!?
[04:09] <tgm4883> if you look in mythweb under channel info do these channels have a xmltvid ?
[04:09] <tgm4883> oh
[04:11] <Jonathon> where is the channel info? I assume you  mean go into the Web area (under information centre) and in there it asks me to select a group or site. There is nothing showing there to select - is this a problem?
[04:12] <tgm4883> no, this is in mythweb, which is accessible from another computer
[04:12] <tgm4883> via
[04:12] <tgm4883> http://backendip/mythweb
[04:12] <Jonathon> ahhh, okay. let me try that.
[04:12] <tgm4883> and to get to the page im asking about, it's located at
[04:13] <tgm4883> http://backendip/mythweb/settings/channels
[04:13] <Jonathon> hmmm.. what is the username and password? If I set them up I don't remember, or at least it is not accepting the ones I used :)
[04:13] <tgm4883> it would be whatever you used in MCC
[04:13] <tgm4883> I think it defaults to nothing
[04:14] <Jonathon> ok. hang on.
[04:14] <wilberfan> tgm4883: i'm getting a "file not found" when i try and run that netflix config command...
[04:15] <wilberfan> [scratching head]
[04:15] <wilberfan> i don't seem to have a /usr/local/share/mythtv folder...
[04:16] <tgm4883> wilberfan, make sure it's installed first apt-get install mythflix
[04:16] <wilberfan> it said i already had the latest version....
[04:16] <tgm4883> k
[04:16] <tgm4883> sec
[04:16] <wilberfan> do i need to be logged in as "mythtv"...?
[04:16] <tgm4883> no
[04:17] <tgm4883> it's a different installation location
[04:17] <tgm4883> but i'm seeing if anyone uses that plugin, cause I don't
[04:18] <Jonathon> hmmm... nothing seems to be working for that. Let me check configuration files.
[04:19] <wilberfan> (man, how do you search in xfce??)
[04:20] <tgm4883> wilberfan, look in /usr/share/mythtv
[04:21] <wilberfan> tgm4883: yeah, that's where it is...   let me try the script now...
[04:21] <wilberfan> :)
[04:22] <wilberfan> "status code 501"    is that good?
[04:22]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[04:22] <wilberfan> lol
[04:22] <tgm4883> where do you see that?
[04:22] <wilberfan> after i ran the script....
[04:23] <wilberfan> lemme see if my queue shows up...
[04:27] <wilberfan> hmmm...maybe i need to restart the backend...?
[04:27] <tgm4883> doubt it
[04:27] <tgm4883> this should be a frontend only program
[04:29] <wilberfan> well, i restarted the frontend...but my queue isn't showing up yet...
[04:34] <wilberfan> that status code could be enlightening...cuz nothing is showing up yet...
[04:39] <wilberfan> found something on google...  brb
[04:41] <Jonathon> tgm4883: OK. Sorted out that problem - discoverd mythweb - what a great tool! So to answer your question, yes the missing channels are configured identically to the others, just different xmltv id's of course.
[04:41] <wilberfan> status code: 200 this time  (that's the one i need!)  :d
[04:41] <wilberfan> :D
[04:41] <tgm4883> k
[04:43] <wilberfan> hmm...still not working....  gonna try a mythfilldatabase (just cuz i don't know what else to do...!)
[04:43] <wilberfan> oh, wait...there's more i need to do....
[04:45] <wilberfan> In case this ever comes up again, here's what needs to happen (apparently):  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythFlix
[04:46] <wilberfan> tgm4883: thanks for gettin' me started...  'preciate it
[04:49] <Jonathon> tgm4883: Any further suggestions on my issue at all?
[05:29] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: you around?
[05:30] <tgm4883> yea briefly, whats up
[05:30] <rhpot1991> what is your xine command for launching iso's?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> I'm getting errors on my screen that are too tiny to read, figured it might be easier to just ask you
[05:30] <tgm4883> i just found out that im getting an error too
[05:31] <rhpot1991> unfortunate
[05:31] <tgm4883> so i need to figure it out, as it now only works on some
[05:31] <tgm4883> but
[05:31] <rhpot1991> internal player crashes on the new futurama dvd menu
[05:31] <tgm4883> it does work, just not with my current command
[05:31] <rhpot1991> both dvd and iso
[05:31] <rhpot1991> I'll mess around some, gonna see if xine does any better
[05:31] <tgm4883> i found that if I vnc into the machine and load the iso into xine manually it will work
[05:58] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: xine -pfhq --no-splash dvd:/%s works pretty good
[05:58] <rhpot1991> though I don't have xine setup for my remote
[05:59] <tgm4883> heh, rhpot1991 i think thats the one I have
[05:59] <tgm4883> from the mythtv site
[05:59] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine
[06:00] <rhpot1991> bunch more info there
[06:00] <rhpot1991> whats the problem you are having?
[06:05] <Mayber> can someone help me? i just added a new HD to my ubuntu box for mythtv but I can't figure out how to access it to partition it / format it / etc..
[06:06] <rhpot1991> sudo apt-get install gparted
[06:06] <rhpot1991> then sudo gparted
[06:06] <rhpot1991> will help you format it
[06:08] <Mayber> thanks, i'll try that.
[14:26] <fxr> hi can someone help me create an lvm?
[14:27] <fxr> from the instructions i see: "   Now we have a physical lvm partition sdb created. Now to create the lvm volume. Note: Example
[14:27] <fxr> below is for about 500 GB use the power of two to go to larger table sizes. Use 16M
[14:27] <fxr> instead of 8M for example for volumes over 1 TB.
[14:27] <fxr> "
[14:27] <fxr> i have a 250 gig hdd, should i use 4M ??
[14:30] <fxr> sudo v g c r e a t e −s 8M <volume−name> / dev / sdb1
[14:30] <fxr> should i use 4M instead?
[14:36] <fxr> please..  i dont know what it means at all  : s
[16:15] <Viaken> Any tips for getting Mythbuntu to use my PCI video card instead of the onboard one?
[16:17] <rhpot1991> I'd try to disable it in your bios as a first step
[16:17] <rhpot1991> I'd imagine X will fail on boot then
[16:18] <Viaken> It did. I removed the card to get to the installer.
[16:18] <Viaken> The BIOS is missing the option to disable it, though it's mentioned in the help.
[16:21] <alexvd> I am running into a issue with Static IP on install for primary masterbackend. I saw the bugs about the installer and yes that exists and I am aware.  However the issue I am having is that after I changed to manual configuration in ubuntu under network and then modifiied the General settings for hostname and database in mythtv-setup I just get a blank titivilus screen
[16:23] <alexvd> I can access the database fine and connect from a frontend. I just cant go back into mythtv-setup.  Once I press a key in the grey titivuls screen after it shuts down the backend it boots me out
[16:36] <alexvd> so does any have a standalone primary backend and run into the above problem
[17:17] <alexvd> I need to copy my channel change scripts to the new backend
[17:19] <alexvd> When I try to copy files from my ubuntu desktop to the shares for /var/lib I get an error that is more than likely because of permissions. I setup a new share with control panel to share the files system /
[17:19] <alexvd> I unchecked the box for "read only" however I still cant copy files
[17:19] <alexvd> How do I set it up so that I can copy files?
[17:22] <rhpot1991> launch a terminal and sudo cp /file/to/copy /file/to/place
[17:23] <alexvd> ok
[17:23] <alexvd> i just read i can gksudo nautilus too
[17:25] <rhpot1991> that should work too
[17:28] <alexvd> rhpot1991
[17:28] <alexvd> So when I try to copy from my desktop to the mythbuntu backend via ssh share it doesnt allow me
[17:29] <alexvd> i had to setup the ssh share as my username
[17:29] <alexvd> not root
[17:31] <alexvd> if I do sudo cp would it be the following sudo cp sony0.pl to /sony0.pl/<IP_ADDRESS>/usr/local/bin/
[17:33] <rhpot1991> copy it to your home dir in the other box
[17:33] <rhpot1991> then ssh in and sudo cp it to where you want it
[17:33] <alexvd> ok
[17:33] <rhpot1991> unless you are doing it often, its easier than messing with getting the perms changed
[17:36] <alexvd> not letting me copy it to the home directory on the mythbuntu server
[17:36] <rhpot1991> same user names?
[17:36] <alexvd> yes
[17:36] <rhpot1991> look up the man page of scp
[17:36] <rhpot1991> try using that
[17:36] <rhpot1991> 'man scp'
[17:37] <alexvd> pain in the butt.  On knoppmyth they had the mythtv directory shared
[17:37] <alexvd> i feel dumb
[17:37] <rhpot1991> scp /local/file user@remotehost:/remote/file
[17:37] <alexvd> whats the default password for ssh root access?
[17:38] <rhpot1991> that I have no idea about
[17:38] <rhpot1991> I *think* its randomly generated
[17:38] <alexvd> if i want to ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:38] <alexvd> fn pain
[17:38] <rhpot1991> don't you have a user account on there?
[17:38] <alexvd> yep
[17:38] <Koffa> root has no pass per default?
[17:38] <rhpot1991> root doesn't exist on ubuntu boxes normally, you just sudo
[17:38] <Koffa> what you need is sudo
[17:38] <rhpot1991> I think
[17:39] <alexvd> yeah i know ubuntu sudo
[17:39] <alexvd> i understand the security aspect
[17:39] <rhpot1991> one less thing to get hacked
[17:39] <alexvd> i have a csa agent on my box
[17:39] <alexvd> not worried about that
[17:40] <rhpot1991> you could try to make a root account
[17:40] <rhpot1991> dunno how well it would like that
[17:40] <Koffa> there is a root account
[17:40] <alexvd> ok
[17:40] <Koffa> it just doesn't have a password
[17:40] <rhpot1991> empty by default?
[17:40] <rhpot1991> that doesn't sound right
[17:40] <Koffa> no
[17:40] <Koffa> non-existent
[17:41] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[17:41] <Koffa> PermitEmptyPasswords no
[17:41] <Koffa> there's that in sshd_config
[17:42] <Koffa> fgrep -i root /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[17:42] <Koffa> seems to be yes by default so setting a (good) password should suffice
[17:43] <rhpot1991> alexvd: did you try to scp to the remote home directory?
[17:47] <alexvd> sorry work getting inteh way
[17:47] <alexvd> going to try now
[17:50] <alexvd> dumb question if the file is in /home/documents what is the proper path
[17:50] <alexvd> ie /home/documents/sony0.pl
[17:50] <rhpot1991> /home/documents
[17:50] <rhpot1991> is the actual path
[17:50] <rhpot1991> errr
[17:50] <rhpot1991> /home/user/documents/
[17:50] <rhpot1991> unless documents is your user
[17:51] <alexvd> is it /home/user/documents
[17:51] <alexvd> or /home/alexvd/documents
[17:51] <rhpot1991> ya user as in your user name
[17:51] <alexvd> right
[17:52] <rhpot1991> gotta run to lunch, I'll be back in a bit
[17:55] <alexvd>  scp /home/alexvd/documents/sony0.pl alexvd@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/alexvd/sony0.pl
[17:55] <alexvd><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[17:55] <alexvd> /home/alexvd/documents/sony0.pl: No such file or directory
[17:55] <alexvd> k
[17:55] <alexvd> i will bang away
[18:16] <rhpot1991> thats saying that /home/alexvd/documents/sony0.pl doesn't exist locally
[18:16] <rhpot1991> are you sure it does, also make sure you are running that on the right machine
[18:25] <alexvd> moved the files to alexvd hoome
[18:25] <alexvd> and it worked
[18:25] <alexvd> now copying
[19:04] <camelreef> hi all
[19:05] <camelreef> I have a question about MythDVD ripping
[19:05] <camelreef> I have the DVD (that I can normally play) in the drive
[19:06] <camelreef> when I select "Import DVD", I end up with a message that I sould try hitting a number and that if nothing happens, something is seriously wrong
[19:07] <camelreef> what did I miss?
[19:10] <rhpot1991> check the ripping settings
[19:10] <camelreef> k
[19:10] <rhpot1991> it needs a temp directory to rip to
[19:10] <rhpot1991> gotta make sure it has access to that
[19:11] <rhpot1991> setup > setup > media > dvd > rip
[19:11] <rhpot1991> directory to hold temporary files
[19:11] <camelreef> I'm there
[19:12] <rhpot1991> I spent most of last night trying to get mythdvd to rip a video from an iso, didn't have any luck
[19:13] <rhpot1991> I was able to mount the iso to /media/cdrom0 and have it play from there, but the ripper for some reason ignored that I had faked a dvd in the drive
[19:13] <camelreef>  sudo chmod -R g+w mythdvd/
[19:14] <camelreef> and still, same screen
[19:14] <camelreef> ah, no, my bad
[19:14] <camelreef> thanks for the tip !
[19:14] <rhpot1991> good now?
[19:14] <camelreef> good now
[19:14] <rhpot1991> you need to hit the number to have it create a file the first time
[19:14] <rhpot1991> shouldn't ask you anymore after that, unless something is broken
[19:15] <alexvd> rhpot how do you run gparted again?
[19:16] <rhpot1991> sudo gparted
[19:16] <rhpot1991> unless you don't have it installed, then do: sudo apt-get install gparted
[19:17] <camelreef> rhpot1991, thanks much, ripping now :
[19:17] <rhpot1991> camelreef: are you ripping to iso, or video?
[19:18] <camelreef> to video
[19:18] <camelreef> Good, with AC-3 soundtrack
[19:18] <camelreef> backups of the kids' DVDs
[19:18] <rhpot1991> should be pretty smooth sailing
[19:20] <camelreef> rhpot1991, should be, thanks again
[19:20] <rhpot1991> sure, no problem
[19:29] <Viaken> If I'm hooking up to a set-top box that'll be sending its signal on channel 4, should I change my channel frequency table or leave it us-bcast?
[19:34] <fxr> why would i have a black and white osd and playback brakups after enabling VIA Xmvc? i have enab;ed propriortory nvidia drivers on my fx5200 card
[19:37] <camelreef> rhpot1991, one more question. Is the ripping process backgroundable ?
[19:37] <camelreef> or am I stuck with the progress bars until done
[19:38] <camelreef> can I go back to watching TV or other stuff while ripping ?
[19:51] <alexvd> fxr it used to be that enabling xvmc gave a b&w osd
[19:52] <alexvd> thier was an experimental fx
[19:52] <alexvd> FXR search gossammer threads I am not sure if that was in fixes or not.
[19:53] <fxr> its good to get xvmc enabled right?
[19:53] <alexvd> fxr well if you have a low powered frontend then yes,
[19:54] <alexvd> I thought via had hardware mpeg2 assistance
[19:54] <alexvd> wait if you are using nvidia 5200 you should use the via xvmc
[19:54] <alexvd> should be just xvmc
[19:55] <alexvd> How powerful is your processor
[19:55] <fxr> its a xp athlon 2600 , 1913ghz
[19:55] <alexvd> Are you watching HD
[19:55] <fxr> nopw
[19:55] <alexvd> You dont need it just run bob
[19:56] <Viaken> bob?
[19:56] <alexvd> Bob deinterlacing
[19:56] <alexvd> bob 2x
[19:56] <alexvd> that should give you smooth results
[19:57] <fxr> ok thanks, ll look at that, its just m having some playback issues.. ve think ve tried every option in the playback settings.. ll try that anyway..
[19:58] <alexvd> several things to check, you should experiment with opengl sync turned off
[19:58] <alexvd> and then also check nvida settings
[19:58] <alexvd> goto gossammer threads
[19:59] <alexvd> more than likely its those combination
[20:00] <fxr> ok.. thanls yeah ll keep digging.. it worked perfectly on my mythdora box, before my motherboard failure , so m sure its just some combination i am missing..
[20:00] <alexvd> search the mailing list on gossamer threads
[20:00] <alexvd> you have to go into nvidia-settings
[20:00] <alexvd> and turn off the opengl
[20:00] <alexvd> and then enable in the playback settings
[20:01] <alexvd> you have to try different combinations
[20:01] <alexvd> also run top
[20:01] <alexvd> it will tell you how much cpu your using and then if thats pegged you may have to do some other nvida options
[20:03] <fxr> aye my cpu is getting maxed out 97 per cent..
[20:05] <alexvd> ok
[20:05] <alexvd> So you need to run the proper nvidia driver
[20:05] <sxealex> anyone have glx probs with that nvidia driver
[20:06] <alexvd> and then put in an option call "use events" =true
[20:06] <sxealex> i get a crappy frame rate
[20:06] <alexvd> i think that is it
[20:06] <fxr> will i install that driver from source of something? not from propietary device manager?
[20:06] <alexvd> however goto the gossammer threads users list on the web and do a search
[20:07] <alexvd> i just learned mythbuntu
[20:07] <alexvd> but check the version that is running now
[20:07] <alexvd> it should support it
[20:07] <alexvd> watching SD you max out the processor at 97 percent
[20:08] <alexvd> something isnt right.  First check nvida-settings and uncheck the two boxes for (i think) vertical sync and then opengl sync
[20:08] <alexvd> i am not ubuntu expert
[20:08] <alexvd> but you can also install the nvidia driver manually
[20:10] <rhpot1991> camelreef: I think mine works pretty well with a rip going, in the rip settings there is an option for 'nice level' you can try increasing that if you are having a problem
[20:12] <camelreef> rhpot1991, so I can escape the screen and watch TV, then
[20:12] <fxr> ok thanks alexd , thats something to work with..
[20:12] <camelreef> I'm not afraid of the CPU usgae, big Core 2 Duo there
[20:12] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure if you escape, it might stop it
[20:12] <rhpot1991> gonna have to try it and see what happens
[20:13] <rhpot1991> I just started ripping so I haven't had it overlapping with other things much
[20:13] <camelreef> and it is on nice 19
[20:14] <rhpot1991> I think the higher nice goes the less it hogs resources
[20:14] <camelreef> which is a good thing, transcode is at 100% of one core, and tcdecode between 10 and 20% on the other
[20:14] <camelreef> yup nice setting is OK, I should be able to do other stuff
[20:14] <camelreef> so I can escape the progress bar screen without stoping the transcode
[20:14] <rhpot1991> I also do ISO rips, so that only takes like 20-30 mins on my box
[20:15] <rhpot1991> where an xvid rip takes considerably longer
[20:15] <Viaken> rhpot1991: Correct. The lower the nice level, the more stubborn the process is about giving up resources.
[20:15] <alexvd> woah why wo why do I still have stupid issues with UDEV
[20:16] <alexvd> is thier an easy way to pin cards in ubuntu, part of the reason i wanted to move to ubuntu was so i wouldnt have this issue anymore
[20:17] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure what you are asking
[20:17] <camelreef> I escaped, the transcode processes are still there
[20:17] <rhpot1991> nice
[20:18] <camelreef> let's hog it with VC-1 decoding and see if the nice setting is working, hehe
[20:18] <rhpot1991> I think it makes sense that it would still run, cause it checks that file in the temp dir to see if another transcode is currently running
[20:18] <rhpot1991> anyone have a hdhomerun?
[20:19] <camelreef> rhpot1991, its nicely making way on one core for the HD decoding, while transcoding on the other core
[20:19] <camelreef> :o)
[20:19] <camelreef> and my fans spun up :o(
[20:20] <camelreef> but I'm not complaining, doing their jobs
[20:20] <camelreef> now on going back to the transcode progress screen
[20:20] <rhpot1991> nice
[20:20] <rhpot1991> I run on a lowly amd 1900+
[20:21]  * rhpot1991 recycles parts for his mythboxes
[20:21] <camelreef> ok, I just need to go back to the Import DVD screen
[20:21] <camelreef> I got the CPU for free, a gift
[20:21] <rhpot1991> it should tell you that another transcode is in process
[20:21] <camelreef> so I made a Myth box around it :o)
[20:22] <camelreef> yup, it's showing me the progress bars once back to Import DVD
[20:22] <rhpot1991> I had my main mythbox as a linux box for a while, bought a tuner for it one day and it became a mythbox
[20:22] <camelreef> http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc
[20:22] <rhpot1991> my 2nd backend is my parent's old computer
[20:23] <rhpot1991> nice setup
[20:23] <camelreef> 2mn to go, 1h hour total for a 1:44 movie in Good quality, keeping the AC-3 track
[20:23] <camelreef> rhpot1991, thanks
[20:23] <rhpot1991> I'm still running SD and all too
[20:24] <rhpot1991> how do you like the harmony remote?
[20:24] <camelreef> I love i
[20:24] <camelreef> t
[20:24] <camelreef> it
[20:24] <camelreef> bet thing I ever bought
[20:24] <rhpot1991> worth the money?
[20:24] <rhpot1991> I keep looking at them, but I can never justify spending that much for something that I already have working
[20:24] <camelreef> makes less sense now that i have less equipment, but still wonderful
[20:25] <camelreef> mine was a good deal at Costco
[20:25] <camelreef> the programming part is even better with Mythtv, as sometimes you end up with weird function on weird keys on the original remote
[20:26] <rhpot1991> I look at them whenever buy.com (or other places) have them cheap
[20:26] <camelreef> with the Harmony you can have the weird stuff onthe LCD screen with a proper name
[20:26] <rhpot1991> never end up doing it though
[20:26] <camelreef> another example
[20:26] <rhpot1991> I end up tossing money at hard drives instead
[20:26] <rhpot1991> Total Space: 848,081 MB
[20:27] <rhpot1991> doesn't include the 1TB mybook that I got on BF
[20:27] <camelreef> I do not want the remote to turn the myth box off, but I could tell it that I want it to go to my home screen instead, killing LiveTV or whatever I was watching when I turn the rest off, or taking the system out of the screen saver when I come back
[20:28] <rhpot1991> nice
[20:29] <camelreef> yes :o)
[20:29] <rhpot1991> I think my next step will be another tuner
[20:29] <rhpot1991> just had my first unresolvable scheduling conflict the other night
[20:29] <camelreef> my next stp is replacing my 2 crappy 200 GB disks with a green 1 TB
[20:30] <camelreef> and adding DVB-S
[20:30] <camelreef> dual DVB-T is enough for my usage
[20:32] <camelreef> and when the prices are a bit better, a combo BD/HD-DVD drive
[20:32] <camelreef> anyway, thanks again rhpot1991
[20:33] <rhpot1991> no problem
[20:38] <Viaken> I just had it freeze when I went into music settings...
[20:38] <Viaken> oh duh...the backend isn't running.
[20:39] <alexvd> Ok so I need to fix this once and for all.  When you have alot of capture cards udev decides where to stick them so you could be at dev/video0 or /dev/video1.  I have 5 pci cards in the backend 2 pvr 250 and 3 pchdtv.    How do I pin the assignments or keep udev from changing this all the time.
[20:42] <alexvd> It only happens on the pvr-250
[20:42] <rhpot1991> sorry alexvd I don't have a clue
[20:43] <alexvd> stupid friggin udev.  this guy bruce on knoppmyth and I know onthe gossammer threads list they discuss it but it involves writing rules
[20:43] <alexvd> pain in the fn a
[20:43] <rhpot1991> I'd try asking on ubuntuforums.org
[20:43] <alexvd> yeah
[20:44] <alexvd> probably my old motherboard. its ancient i know but the backend doesnt do anything except record
[20:44] <rhpot1991> have you checked bios updates?
[20:44] <rhpot1991> I'd think it should lock in the same devices each time
[20:44] <alexvd> I wish the board is from 2000
[20:45] <alexvd> no check that like 1194
[20:45] <alexvd> 1994
[20:45] <rhpot1991> ouch
[20:45] <alexvd> hard to find motherboards with 5 pci slots
[20:45] <rhpot1991> might be worth your time to just get a cheap board cpu combo from newegg
[20:46] <rhpot1991> ya, most of the cheap ones are mini boards now
[20:46] <rhpot1991> normally 2 or 3 slots max
[20:46] <alexvd> yeah money is not the issue.  i am going to upgrade the hd frontend and make that the masterbackend
[20:46] <alexvd> still that only has 3 pci slots
[20:46] <alexvd> 2pcix
[20:46] <rhpot1991> you know you can have multiple backends right?
[20:46] <alexvd> 1pcx
[20:46] <alexvd> of course
[20:46] <alexvd>  i have two right now
[20:46] <alexvd> more power though
[20:47] <alexvd> its a waste
[20:47] <rhpot1991> kinda, but you can move your tuners to others then
[20:47] <rhpot1991> you can have them wake when they need to record
[20:47] <alexvd> yeah thought about that too
[20:47] <rhpot1991> I have a tuner in 2 backends now
[20:47] <alexvd> thats risky
[20:47] <alexvd> look at all the post on not getting that too work
[20:47] <rhpot1991> each one is also a frontend
[20:47] <rhpot1991> in 2 different rooms
[20:48] <alexvd> yeah i have one central box for storage and recording another box for hd frontend and backend for transcoding and commecial flagging
[20:48] <alexvd> the hd box also has a tuner in it.  I plan to add a couple more
[20:48] <alexvd> So i would have 8 tuners
[20:49] <alexvd> I have 6 now
[20:49] <rhpot1991> you really need that many tuners?
[20:49] <alexvd> well people still like to watch livetv
[20:49] <alexvd> each person fires up a livetv session that eats a tuner
[20:49] <rhpot1991> I don't watch live tv on mine currently
[20:49] <alexvd> yeah I do
[20:50] <alexvd> especially for sports and news and debates etcc
[20:50] <rhpot1991> I normally record everything I care about
[20:50] <alexvd> you dont watch sport
[20:50] <alexvd> right
[20:50] <rhpot1991> so if I am missing something I just hop in and watch the recording that is in process
[20:50] <rhpot1991> I watch sports, always live though
[20:50] <alexvd> yeah i know the drill
[20:50] <alexvd> yeah
[20:50] <rhpot1991> have a bad habit of peeking at the score if I record it
[20:50] <alexvd> so if you want to watch devils on one tv and nets another
[20:51] <alexvd> u need two tuners and then two shows you wanted to watch that is 4 tuners
[20:51] <alexvd> so they add up quick right
[20:51] <rhpot1991> ya
[20:51] <rhpot1991> I'd throw a tuner on each frontend
[20:51] <rhpot1991> for the live tv
[20:51] <rhpot1991> then have your master backend do all the recording
[20:51] <rhpot1991> also that way you don't have random network usage when you don't need it
[20:52] <rhpot1991> keep the live tv on the HD of the frontend and all
[20:56] <alexvd> i could do that
[20:56] <alexvd> but then i have to have tuners connected to dtv boxes everywhere
[20:57] <rhpot1991> ya that could hurt
[20:57] <alexvd> I may get some mac mini for the LCD panels
[20:57] <rhpot1991> so you have 6 dtv boxes?
[20:57] <alexvd> 4 right now
[20:57] <alexvd> 3 ota tuners
[20:58] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[20:58] <alexvd> 3 DTV in operation
[20:58] <alexvd> 1 backup
[20:58] <rhpot1991> do the dishes still have a 2 head limit?
[20:58] <alexvd> i have a multiswitch
[20:58] <rhpot1991> what is that?
[20:59] <alexvd> allows you to connect multiple boxes to a 3lnb
[20:59] <alexvd> so i think i can have 8 off the one multiswitch
[21:00] <rhpot1991> ah
[21:00] <rhpot1991> I haven't messed with dtv in years
[21:00] <rhpot1991> since they changed the cards to p4's
[21:01] <alexvd> oh you mean the non hu cards
[21:01] <alexvd> so you couldnt reprogram them
[21:02] <rhpot1991> I think the version before p4's were hu cards
[21:02] <rhpot1991> its been quite a time though
[21:02] <rhpot1991> that was something like 3 or 4 years ago
[21:02] <alexvd> not worth messing with that and losing the ability to have directv because they ban you
[21:03] <alexvd> the encryption now is very hard to break
[21:03] <rhpot1991> or sue you for owning legitimate hardware with other uses
[21:03] <rhpot1991> I never liked how they were able to bully people like that without anyone caring
[21:05] <rhpot1991> I also maintain my stance that I should be able to do whatever I want with any beams they are shooting at my face without my permission
[21:12] <alexvd> right
[21:13] <alexvd> so I have a gparted question.  I had to reinstall a few times because of some of the bugs. I have a small 9gig disc that is seen as 8.54
[21:13] <rhpot1991> go on
[21:14] <alexvd> right now I have /dev/sda1 5.94 gig and /dev/sda3 2.04 gig
[21:14] <alexvd> how do figure out which is the partition that is the correct one that I am using right now and then resize the partition to
[21:14] <rhpot1991> correct one you are using, as in which one is your root system?
[21:15] <alexvd> Right I think I have two mythbuntu installs
[21:15] <alexvd> one I am using and one is residual from a botched install
[21:15] <alexvd> so I have the following right now
[21:15] <alexvd> /dev/sda1 ext 3 5.94
[21:15] <rhpot1991> if you right click on a partition, and choose information
[21:16] <rhpot1991> it should say 'status mounted on %some sort of path%'
[21:16] <rhpot1991> look for the one that is 'Mounted on /'
[21:16] <rhpot1991> thats should be your OS
[21:16] <alexvd> ok
[21:16] <alexvd> great
[21:16] <alexvd> that worked so the original 5.94
[21:16] <alexvd> is unmounted
[21:17] <alexvd> i also have linux-swap
[21:17] <alexvd> that is not active
[21:17] <alexvd> do i delete those partitions
[21:17] <rhpot1991> is there another swap?
[21:17] <alexvd> yes
[21:17] <rhpot1991> you should have (at least) a root partition (prob ext3 or xfs) and a swap partition
[21:18] <alexvd> i have ext
[21:18] <alexvd> extended
[21:18] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure the base partitions for mythbuntu (which you are running right?)
[21:18] <alexvd> and linux swap
[21:18] <alexvd> right mythbuntu
[21:18] <alexvd> I want to resize the partition so it uses the full drive
[21:19] <alexvd> so can i delete the partitions that are unused and not active
[21:19] <rhpot1991> you can prob delete your botched install and the extra swap
[21:19] <alexvd> ok
[21:19] <rhpot1991> then you need a live cd to boot and resize your root partition
[21:19] <alexvd> so I delete from gparted and then do what
[21:19] <alexvd> tell it to resize
[21:19] <alexvd> ok so put the livecd backin
[21:20] <alexvd> and then run gparted
[21:20] <alexvd> and resize the partition?
[21:20] <rhpot1991> you need to do edit apply after the delete
[21:20] <rhpot1991> you can just delete on the live cd
[21:20] <rhpot1991> but make sure you delete the right one
[21:20] <rhpot1991> then you can resize your root to take up everything
[21:20] <alexvd> ok
[21:20] <alexvd> so should i delete now
[21:20] <alexvd> and then reboot and runthe livecd
[21:20] <rhpot1991> as long as you are sure its not needed
[21:20] <alexvd> or just boot the livecd and do it all
[21:21] <rhpot1991> I can't vouge for what should be there cause run ubuntu with mythtv installed on top of it
[21:21] <rhpot1991> either way will work
[21:21] <alexvd> ok
[21:21] <alexvd> btw what is extended?
[21:22] <rhpot1991> you can only have so many partitions on a drive
[21:22] <rhpot1991> so you use an extended partition to have other partitions within
[21:22] <alexvd> ok
[21:23] <rhpot1991> or thats my understand at least
[21:23] <alexvd> so when i run the livecd
[21:23] <alexvd> can i get rid of that too?
[21:23] <rhpot1991> my swap is in extended
[21:23] <rhpot1991> but my root isn't
[21:23] <rhpot1991> so I have root, taking up everything but 2 gigs
[21:23] <rhpot1991> then an extended with swap inside of it
[21:23] <alexvd> btw it says i cant delete dev sda5 linux-swap because it says its higher than 5
[21:23] <rhpot1991> taking up the rest
[21:23] <alexvd> ok
[21:28] <rhpot1991> it looks like mythbuntu uses a xfs partition for /var/lib or /var/lib/mythtv
[21:28] <rhpot1991> for the recordings
[21:29] <rhpot1991> I would recommend doing that
[21:30] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, thats not default
[21:30] <tgm4883_laptop> but i would recommend doing that too
[21:31] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: is there a reason its not default?
[21:31] <tgm4883_laptop> only because time was short on development and we hadn't gotten the partition recipes down yet
[21:32] <tgm4883_laptop> should be default on hardy
[21:32] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[21:33] <rhpot1991> I need to actually install mythbuntu on something, so I can know when I'm telling people things they can't do
[21:33] <tgm4883_laptop> well you can do it, it's just not default
[21:33] <tgm4883_laptop> you have to manually partition
[21:33] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:33] <tgm4883_laptop> which isn't difficult
[21:34] <rhpot1991> can he launch gparted from the mythbuntu cd?
[21:35] <tgm4883_laptop> i believe so, but you should be able to manually partition using in the installer
[21:35] <tgm4883_laptop> no need for gparted
[21:35] <rhpot1991> he is trying to adjust a working install
[21:35] <rhpot1991> has some random extra partitions from a botched install that he wants to adjust and resize root
[21:36] <sxealex> what is the keystroke to log out of a mythtv session if it freezes up
[21:37] <sxealex> same as any session but i forget it
[21:37] <rhpot1991> alexvd: if you want that extra room for recordings and think your root is large enough, I would just delete the other partitions and make a new xfs partition to hold the recordings, doesn't require you to use the live cd then
[21:37] <rhpot1991> sxealex: ctrl+alt+backspace?
[21:37] <sxealex> id assume that would just restart
[21:38] <sxealex> not log out
[21:38] <sxealex> right?
[21:38] <rhpot1991> that restarts X
[21:38] <sxealex> not doing it
[21:39] <sxealex> i can get to cli
[21:39] <sxealex> but i was hoping to doa  keystroke
[21:40] <rhpot1991> I don't know the keystroke for forcequit
[21:40] <sxealex> ill try to find it on forums and report back
[21:40] <sxealex> hehe
[21:40] <rhpot1991> you can just kill the mythfrontend process
[21:41] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, are you trying to restart x?
[21:41] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[21:41] <ame> So, anyone got a good suggestion for an External Soundcard, that has a working SPDIF output? the SB Audigy2 NX doesnt seem to work according to Alsa :(
[21:42] <sxealex> yea
[21:42] <sxealex> ctrl backspace worked it just hung
[21:42] <sxealex> odd stuff
[21:43] <sxealex> no this was me asking the question not him
[21:43] <sxealex> but thanks
[21:44] <alexvd> Rhpot in the long run as in once everything is working right.  I will enable storage groups so this disc wont be used for recordings
[21:45] <alexvd> so should I bother resizing for xfs
[21:45] <alexvd> it would be only for the database
[21:45] <rhpot1991> nah, just expand your root then
[21:45] <alexvd> right
[21:45] <alexvd> thats what i figured.  I just want to leave 5or6 gig
[21:45] <alexvd> for logs and database
[23:01] <williammanda> hey guys
[23:01] <williammanda> anyone recommend a rf remote to use with mythtv?
[23:32] <sxealex> can anyone help me with my database problem
[23:32] <sxealex> ive tried everything in the docs
[23:32] <sxealex> i can't log into mysql
[23:33] <sxealex> anyone present?
[23:33] <sxealex> been playing with this for like 3 hours now
[23:34] <sxealex> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[23:43] <williammanda> go here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[23:44] <williammanda> there is a section for your problem


[01:45] <archis> Hi, anybody there to help me understand a few things about upstart etc?
[01:50] <archis> hmm, so my situation is basically identical to use case 'Fabian' on upstart's Edgy spec page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit
[01:50] <archis> 'Fabian is a power user who wishes to use a USB disk for part of his filesystem. This currently frequently fails because the USB disk sometimes takes longer to initialise than the boot process takes to get to the point where it mounts the filesystem. He would rather the boot process was robust, and the disk was mounted when initialised.'
[01:51] <archis> whereby I should add that I am using the USB disk for swap as well.
[01:52] <archis> My 5.10 Breezy fstab had them all enunciated, and it just worked that way. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32913/
[01:53] <archis> keybuk told me that this was because there was enough unexpected delay in the system to allow the USB disk to initialize
[01:55] <archis> That didn't work any more with the much faster boot-up of Dapper. The system complained and I had to take the USB disk volumes out of my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32914/
[01:58] <archis> Now that Edgy has added UUIDs to each volume in my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32915/
[01:58] <archis> I haven't added the USB volumes back to fstab yet - is that all I need to do now?
[02:01] <archis> Also, I continue to have problems with the swap located on the USB drive - it doesn't come online automatically even though it is in my fstab and I have to enable it manually.
[02:01] <archis> Any suggestions?
[02:17] <archis> ...
[02:26] <archis> Hi Keybuk ..
[02:26] <Keybuk> heyhey
[02:26] <archis> Do you have a minute?
[02:27] <Keybuk> sure
[02:27] <Keybuk> sure
[02:27] <Keybuk> what's up?
[02:28] <archis> I have a few questions wrt upstart - I just wrote it all down here a little earlier - can you
[02:28] <archis> get this or do you want to repeat it?
[02:28] <Keybuk> repeat it :)
[02:28] <Keybuk> I'm just getting everything back online at home after two weeks in SF
[02:28] <archis> hehe..
[02:29] <archis> so my situation is basically identical to use case 'Fabian' on upstart's Edgy spec page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit
[02:29] <archis> 'Fabian is a power user who wishes to use a USB disk for part of his filesystem. This currently frequently fails because the USB disk sometimes takes longer to initialise than the boot process takes to get to the point where it mounts the filesystem. He would rather the boot process was robust, and the disk was mounted when initialised.'
[02:29] <Keybuk> ok
[02:29] <archis> whereby I should add that I am using the USB disk for swap as well.
[02:29] <archis> My 5.10 Breezy fstab had them all enunciated, and it just worked that way. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32913/
[02:29] <archis> you  told me that this was because there was enough unexpected delay in the system to allow the USB disk to initialize
[02:29] <archis>  That didn't work any more with the much faster boot-up of Dapper. The system complained and I had to take the USB disk volumes out of my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32914/
[02:29] <Keybuk> actually, Breezy it was more likely due to the fact breezy used hotplug
[02:30] <archis>  Now Edgy has added UUIDs to each volume in my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32915/
[02:30] <Keybuk> whereas since Dapper, we've used udev
[02:30] <archis> aha
[02:30] <archis>  I haven't added the USB volumes back to fstab yet - is that all I need to do now?
[02:30] <archis> Also, I continue to have problems with the swap located on the USB drive - it doesn't come online automatically even though it is in my fstab and I have to enable it manually.
[02:30] <archis> That was my rant.. :)
[02:30] <Keybuk> no, it hasn't been fixed yet
[02:30] <archis> ah ok
[02:31] <Keybuk> edgy is largely identical to dapper, except that we changed /sbin/init from sysvinit to upstart
[02:31] <Keybuk> it's still driving the System V boot process though
[02:31] <Keybuk> feisty is the release where we intend to have an event-driven boot
[02:31] <archis> ok i see.
[02:32] <archis> so I'd just leave things as they are for now
[02:33] <archis> actually yeah i remember you were telling me about a udev race
[02:33] <archis> condition being the probable cause
[02:33] <archis> on dapper
[02:33] <archis> :)
[02:34] <Keybuk> *nods*
[02:34] <archis> ok thanks
[04:05] <wasabi> Keybuk: pong
[04:06] <Keybuk> wasabi: buggered if I can remember ;)
[04:06] <wasabi> hah
[04:07] <Keybuk> probably something to do with the wiki
[04:07] <Keybuk> or maybe a spec I was trying to write
[08:26] <_ion> Can someone translate those quit messages? :-)
[08:28] <thom> i believe scott's is a firefly quote


[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:48] <MMlosh> Hello... trivial question: why am I seeing no packages at  http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/ ?   Are they hidden, or just not built yet?
[11:30] <BluesKaj_> Howdy all
[11:32] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:33] <BluesKaj_> hi penguin42
[11:34] <BluesKaj_> finally found a decent vpn client and tutorial for kde -linux
[11:34] <penguin42> which VPN type?
[11:46] <BluesKaj_> penguin42, L2TP/IPSec
[11:47] <penguin42> yeuch
[11:47] <BluesKaj_> and I don't subscribe to commercial VPN service
[11:48] <penguin42> ipsec is always a pita - the more modern openssl based ones are so much easier
[11:50] <BluesKaj_> well this is a special service for ppl behind gov't filtered networks , like china and iran  http://www.vpngate.net/en/
[11:51] <BluesKaj_> based in japan , but there areservers all over the world
[11:51] <BluesKaj_> a lot of them won't connect thru ipsec though
[11:52] <penguin42> it does seem a bit of an odd choice; ipsec was popular 10 years ago - but it was always hard
[11:52] <BluesKaj_> I see
[11:52] <penguin42> openssl based stuff is just easy and works through anything
[11:53] <BluesKaj_> ok what other names are openssl known as?
[11:54] <BluesKaj_> I notice the servers might use a different name for the same service
[11:54] <penguin42> sorry, I should say ssl based vpns (openssl being one implementation of ssl)
[11:54] <penguin42> so openvpn is a common one
[11:54] <BluesKaj_> openvpn wouldn't work for me
[11:55] <penguin42> ah, pity
[12:01] <BluesKaj_> wel ,maybe my settings were wrong but there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive tutorial for kde users
[12:03] <penguin42> hmm yes I wonder is the KDE vpn stuff running on NM or wicd
[12:04] <BluesKaj_> I've mostly lost touch with ubuntu-desktop and I'd sooner run W7 in a VB as a guest and run the vpn client from there , which i was doing until I found one written for ubuntu-desktops , but works in kde
[12:05] <BluesKaj_> I don't use NM
[12:06] <penguin42> ah, on the KDE network GUI there is a VPN section offering an Add button for pretty much every VPN I can think of
[12:06] <penguin42> (except the commerical stuff I have to use at work)
[12:10] <BluesKaj_> and can one configure NM to work with vpn , because I recall it was hard to configure
[12:33] <penguin42> well isn't what the KDE and gnome GUIs are doing - the GUI looks nice enough for every type of VPN
[12:42] <BluesKaj_> alternate installs are supposed to be available for 13.10?
[13:07] <alankila> IPsec wouldn't *have* to be such a PITA but in practice it always is
[13:08] <alankila> I guess enterprise happened to it and then everything became ridiculously complicated
[13:10] <alankila> I've been wondering if it would be possible to do ipsec while doing nothing of that key exchange stuff
[13:10] <alankila> just set up a fixed key, tell kernel about it with setkey, and forget everything else
[13:11] <alankila> sure it would *work*, but would it be secure?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> alankila, interesting , I'm considering reinstalling NM , now that I've learned a few things about VPN
[13:38] <penguin42> alankila: Well I think the idea is to rekey regularly so that you never get a chance to break it even with a lot of data transfer
[14:07] <alankila> penguin42: yes... but I am wondering what kind of things are revealed over time
[18:20] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:35] <FernandoMiguel> bRoas
[23:41] <Daekdroom> !schedule


[07:31] <fabio_cc> Hi. I am a member of the Ubuntu Italian IRC Operators Team. Someone (I do not know who, this channel has got PRIVATE flag) registered the channel #lubuntu-it (it's not an official channel, it's not listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList). I need to take control of the channel to forward incoming users to #ubuntu-it. Can someone help me? Thank you.


[12:45] <davidcalle> dholbach: dpm: snapcraft doc on prod is now using the importer. For real.
[12:45] <dpm> wohoo!
[12:45]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[12:45] <dpm> I'm hoping the sentence ends now, and you were not going to add "and it exploded" :)
[12:45] <dholbach> my work here is done
[12:46]  * dholbach goes back to the pool
[12:46] <dpm> yeah, let's go home
[12:46] <dpm> or everyone to dholbach's pool
[12:47] <davidcalle> \o/
[12:47] <dholbach> :-)
[12:49] <dpm> davidcalle, what's the next step now, testing the guides section, and then we can go home for real?
[12:51] <davidcalle> dpm: then, the "hero tour", that needs at least one bug fix.
[12:52] <dholbach> for that we still need to land https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy-dev-website/pull/3
[12:53] <davidcalle> dholbach: oh, indeed
[12:53] <dholbach> davidcalle, how about the layout fix - I can't quite remember where we said this needs to be fixed
[12:54] <davidcalle> either a layout fix for the first page of the tour to work with 8 col, or a fix in the importer to avoid trying to format the html on this page (as it resizes text to 8-col).
[12:54] <davidcalle> dholbach: I don't mind looking into option 1 ;)
[12:55] <dholbach> ok
[12:55] <dholbach> davidcalle, the easiest would be to special case the hero tour template
[12:55] <dholbach> that would likely be a 1-2 line fix
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: oh really? Then yeah, that would probably be a good solution.
[12:56] <dholbach> I'll look into it
[12:57] <davidcalle> dholbach: on the other hand, the current page doesn't "work" for presenting devices, it won't scale, it won't be very good at featuring specific devices... I *will* make a PR to change it.
[12:58] <dholbach> davidcalle, shall I still look into making that change in the importer?
[12:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: nah :)
[12:58] <dholbach> ok


[03:58] <defendguin> i had a regression in edgy when you guys rolled out that update to restricted modules to fix some madwifi deal now when i return from suspend my wireless id dead i have to rmmod and modprobe ipw3945 to get my wireless to work
[03:58] <defendguin> is dead*
[04:05] <defendguin> bug #123172 dmesg output is attached
[07:02] <okaratas> hello
[07:02] <okaratas> hello
[09:01] <jmg> hey all
[09:01] <jmg> where is the debian/rules file for linux-source-2.6.22?
[10:01] <jmg> aieeeeee
[10:21] <jmg> BenC: i installed the gutsy kernel on my feisty box and now i cant mount any usb drives at all!
[10:23] <jmg> they lie, they lie and we have to be merciful to those who lie.
[10:25] <jmg> i am getting lots of [  709.597011]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:27] <Mithrandir> remote the evms package, unless you're using it
[10:30] <jmg> remove?
[10:30] <jmg> how is that breaking mounting?
[10:30] <jmg> mount("/dev/sdb1", "/media/EXTERNAL/", "vfat", MS_MGC_VAL, NULL) = -1 EBUSY (Dev
[10:30] <jmg> ice or resource busy)
[10:31] <jmg> the device isnt busy
[10:40] <jmg> sigh.
[10:40] <jmg> this is bullshit
[10:40] <Mithrandir> removing evms will get rid of the dm-linear messages, it won't fix anything else.
[10:40] <jmg> yeah
[10:40] <jmg> it helped a lot
[10:40] <jmg> but using the gutsy kernel doesnt fix my issue any more
[10:41] <jmg> must have been a regression
[11:24] <kraut> moin
[05:14] <jerome_> hello all
[05:14] <jerome_> i don't know if this is the right place but i don't get any answer on ubuntu-bugs
[05:14] <jerome_> i want to know if bug 123173 is really a kernel issue
[05:15] <jerome_> or an alsa, ... one ?
[05:15] <jerome_> thx if you can help me
[10:10] <xivulon> hi mjg59


[18:26] <bkerensa> godbyk: good morning
[19:34] <CrazyLemon> hey guys - i saw on mailing list a few emails talking about screenshot script that works in raring.
[19:34] <CrazyLemon> any idea where can i get that script?
[19:38] <CrazyLemon> nevermind


  Thanks anyone in here who made that so smooth.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> wafflej0ck: glad you like it mate
[10:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> hi baizon
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[11:54] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje, pauljw
[12:34] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:38] <BluesKaj> dreary weather here, a good day to stay inside and relax :-)
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah rainy grey here aswell
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> coffee + irc makes it all good :p
[12:40] <pauljw> little chilly here this morning, 44F, but going up to 77F later today
[12:40] <BluesKaj> yup, on my 3rd cup .. that's my limit
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> im a real coffee addict here :p
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> 3 cans would fit my needs lol
[12:41] <pauljw> measure my coffee intake by the pot
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> so how you guys drink it? black? milk &suga?
[12:42] <pauljw> black
[12:42] <BluesKaj> it's cool here too, 5C/41F, only 10C/50F this aft
[12:42] <cfhowlett> clearly consuming an inferior brew.  try this:  http://www.funraniumlabs.com/the-black-blood-of-the-earth/
[12:43] <BluesKaj> milk and stevia sweetener
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> milk & cane sugar here
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: nice own brew coffee :p
[12:45] <pauljw> cfhowlett, that impressive
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: nice seeding, helps community alot
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: wich flavor did you install yourself?
[12:49] <OerHeks> Not upgraded yet, i wait untill monday or so
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:49] <OerHeks> Ubuntu-unity ofcourse
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> : )
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: you?
[12:51] <pauljw> me, i'm using ubuntu-unity but i'm only running 16.04 in virtualbox for now.  like it so far
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> great
[12:53] <pauljw> spent about 10hrs in the vm yesterday, only issue i had was that the menus disappeared once and had to restart unity to correct
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah we had some users with that issue
[12:55] <pauljw> so far so good today... :)
[12:56] <pauljw> over all the system seems a bit snappier even while in a vm.
[13:30] <wyoung> werd
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: unity works good for millions of users
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you can only speak of your own system and experience
[13:30] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I have had issues with it
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> so dont projects your own experiences to new users
[13:31] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: mostly with third part apps, keyboard focus and ALT+TAB recognision
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: ppa's are not supported officially
[13:31] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: why not? I am not making this shit up
[13:31] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: it is a fact that is happens
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you can only speak of your system
[13:31] <ikonia> wyoung: you don't need to sweap please
[13:31] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I am not talking about ppas
[13:32] <ikonia> swear
[13:32] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I am talking about running java apps for eample
[13:32] <wyoung> example*
[13:32] <wyoung> or thunderbird
[13:32] <wyoung> ikonia: :\
[13:32] <wyoung> ok
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you can file bugs
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: and test LTS versions
[13:33] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: plus this isn't with just my own system, I support a number of clients that have reported similar problems
[13:34] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I am downloading the latest LTS as we speak
[13:34] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: my issues was with 14.04 - 15.10
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: problems are there to solve, this has nothing to do with unity weing terrible
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> being
[13:34] <wyoung> it may not even be with 16.04 but the other releases are still supported atm
[13:34] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: gnome, kde and xfce doesn't have this issues, so yes, it is unity specific
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: whos us bugs that proves its unity related
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> show
[13:36] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I will leave that up with ubuntu developers to figure that out
[13:36] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: the fact is it exists
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: wich facts?
[13:36] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: THe fact that it has happend to myself and a number of other people
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> what happened?
[13:37] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I don't have a debugger or console outputting logging this stuff when it happens
[13:37] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: the issues I noted above
[13:37] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: and in #ubuntu
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: if you have an issue, bug it
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: that doesnt prove unity is bad
[13:38] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: ? nothing crashes so I don't get the option to
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: ive been using unity from the ubuntu start, years without issues
[13:38] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I also dislike the bug filing process on ubuntu's website / launchpad
[13:39] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: it asks alot of unneeded questions or questions I cannot answer but are marked as required, so I usually can't get anything filed
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: if you dont file bugs, nothing gets solved
[13:39] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I am notifying you here
[13:39] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: this is an official channel is it not?
[13:39] <ikonia> this is not how bugs are tracked
[13:39] <ikonia> it is your responsibility to log them - and follow them up
[13:39] <ikonia> or engage with others
[13:39] <wyoung> ikonia: I am enging
[13:39] <wyoung> engaging*
[13:39] <ikonia> no you're not
[13:39] <wyoung> ikonia: ---^
[13:39] <ikonia> you're just talking to random people in an IRC channel
[13:40] <wyoung> that are affiliated with ubuntu
[13:40] <wyoung> well, the channel even
[13:40] <ikonia> so ?
[13:40] <ikonia> doesn't mean the right people are here and monitoring
[13:40] <ikonia> come on ubot9
[13:40] <wyoung> so they are not random
[13:40] <ikonia> !bugs | wyoung
[13:40] <wyoung> they are affiliated
[13:40] <ikonia> wyoung: no they are not
[13:40] <ikonia> wyoung: I am nothing to do with the ubuntu project - I am here
[13:40] <ikonia> I'm not affilated in anyway
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: wining about unity is 'terrible' and then rejecting to filing bugs isnt gonna help
[13:41] <ikonia> wyoung: have a read of the link about how to report bugs if you're intereted in reporting bugs
[13:41] <DJones> wyoung: Everybody here is exactly like you, just a regular ubuntu user
[13:41] <wyoung> ikonia: oh, so why do you have the right to tell me I am warned for? if you are not afilkited with ubuntu, being this is an offical ubuntu channel
[13:42] <wyoung> ikonia: are you just beign a dick?
[13:42] <wyoung> being*
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: there are guidelines
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: no need to become rude here...stay professional
[13:42] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: so therefore there are people in these channel who moderate and are affilated?
[13:43] <ikonia> wyoung: stop with the attitude and language
[13:43] <wyoung> ikonia: I will
[13:43] <wyoung> ikonia: I am just getting annoyed
[13:43] <ikonia> last warning
[13:43] <wyoung> ikonia: last warning, so you are affilated?
[13:43] <ikonia> I'm getting annoyed with you and your attitude
[13:43] <ikonia> yet I'm not swearing and name calling you
[13:43] <ikonia> wyoung: no, I'm not
[13:44] <wyoung> ikonia: did I call you a name?
[13:44] <wyoung> besides ikonia that is
[13:44] <ikonia> and to be honest, you're trying to pick holes in a weak way, rather than just log a bug to help
[13:44] <wyoung> ikonia: so how can you warn me?
[13:44] <ikonia> wyoung: yes, you asked me if I was being a dick
[13:44] <ikonia> wyoung: I'm a channel operator,
[13:44] <ikonia> the guidelines are laid out about how to use the ubuntu channels
[13:44] <ikonia> anyone can warn you
[13:44] <ikonia> anyone is free to guide you and if needed warn you to stay in line with them
[13:44] <ikonia> !guidelines | wyoung
[13:44] <wyoung> ikonia: yes, asked, I didn't accuse you of being one, it was a question
[13:44] <ikonia> wyoung: you're on thin ice, tone down the attitude and language please
[13:45] <wyoung> ikonia: what language?
[13:45] <ikonia> swearing
[13:45] <ikonia> asking if people are being a dick
[13:45] <ikonia> be polite
[13:45] <wyoung> ikonia: I didn't say any profanities between the last time you mentoend I did
[13:46] <ikonia> wyoung: read the guidelines before you continue to comment in the channel please
[13:46] <wyoung> ikonia: I don't consider that a swear word, but ok, i won't use it in the future
[13:46] <ikonia> it may save a lot of discussion that isn't needed
[13:46] <wyoung> ikonia: does the guidlines list the words I cannot use here?
[13:46] <ikonia> not an exact list, but you'll get the idea of what is accetpable / not
[13:46] <ikonia> please have a read
[13:46] <wyoung> ikonia: if not then how do I know what word is allowed?
[13:46] <wyoung> ikonia: I have
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: whats your endgoal with all this?
[13:47] <ikonia> great, then I won't need to warn you about any more problem behaviour, thank you
[13:47] <wyoung> ikonia: well, not recently, but the date stamp seems to be around the last time I read it
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: what in the world are you trying to prove to the ubuntu community now?
[13:47] <wyoung> ikonia: that is correct, keep that to yourself
[13:48] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: nothing, just talking to ikonia here atm, I will get to you later
[13:48] <ikonia> wyoung: behave in line with the guidelines and there will be no need to remove you from the channels, as there will be no more warnings
[13:48] <wyoung> hang tight
[13:49] <wyoung> ikonia: since you are not affilated with ubuntu that is fine, if I am banned by you then you lied to me, and you are unethical and a terrible person
[13:49] <ikonia> please stop trying to cause a problem - I won't ask again, I am nothing to do with the ubuntu project, I am an operator of some of the community run and managed channels
[13:49] <ikonia> discuss ubuntu here - join #ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss the policy
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: before you join the ubuntu channels, you need to know about the guidelines
[13:49] <ikonia> but stop trying to push a pointless discussion
[13:49] <wyoung> ikonia: grrrrr
[13:49] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I know them
[13:49] <ikonia> you've said you read the guidelines - comply with them or you will leave, clear
[13:50] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I just do't recognise ikonia as being an enforcer of them
[13:50] <wyoung> don't*
[13:50] <ikonia> ignore my warnings then - and you'll be forced to leave, it's that simple
[13:50] <wyoung> ikonia: so you are affilated
[13:50] <wyoung> ikonia: you lied
[13:50] <ikonia> please return to discussing ubuntu topics rather than this petty attempt to win a poitnless agrument
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: the ops are needed for guys like you misleading users..
[13:50] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I wasn't misleading them
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: saying unity is terrible and they might choose another Os?
[13:51] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: misleading implies I was lying, I was not, the issues I stated exist
[13:51] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: no, I didn't say OS, I said windows manager  / version of ubuntu
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you cant project your own system issues to others
[13:51] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: xubuntu is great
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: all flavors are great
[13:52] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: as I stated eariler it wasn;t a single system, the issues I had expands over multiple different computers and even differetn people
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you cant prove that
[13:52] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: ubuntu is poor though in comparison to the others
[13:52] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: you like going around in circles do you?
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: if the user dont understand well, yes
[13:53] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: as I have stated, I don't dislike the ubuntu project, just unity.  I am not misleading users by stating that as there are severel issues with it
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: YOUR issues with unity
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you cant say that in #ubuntu to others
[13:54] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: of course I can
[13:54] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: as it isn't false
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: #ubuntu is meant to get your issues solved
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: not to spread misinformation
[13:54] <ikonia> you can give an opinon that is negative,
[13:54] <ikonia> just be a bit thoughtful about how you give it
[13:54] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: ffs, it isn't missinformation
[13:55] <wyoung> ikonia: of course
[13:55] <ikonia> I often say I'm not a fan of unity , but thats only because I don't like it personally (some features)
[13:55] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I respect ikonia more than you, even though he isn't affilated with ubuntu but likes to issue warnings
[13:55] <ikonia> wyoung: stop messing around,
[13:56] <wyoung> ikonia: I am discussing
[13:56] <ikonia> you're still flogging a dead horse,
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: your making it difficult just for yourself
[13:56] <ikonia> it's just going to end up with you getting removed and banned
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: with attitude like this, you wont take long in #ubuntu
[13:56] <ikonia> there is no desire for that
[13:57] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: with my attitude? yours is very rigidm have fun with that
[13:58] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: and I have been visiting #ubuntu for many years, I will see you in there for a few more to come
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: youl make a mistake very soon, we have seen users like you come and go...
[13:59] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: you have been here for a few years too?
[13:59] <ikonia> guys, maybe we could return to the ubuntu topic ?
[13:59] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I am glad we are in different time zones
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: im using ubuntu since the start
[14:00] <wyoung> ikonia: yes lets, unity has issues with keyboard focus, how about that/.
[14:00] <ikonia> wyoung: I suggest logging a bug
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: #ubuntu for support issues
[14:00] <OerHeks> 3 Gb to go .. http://i.imgur.com/WAnG9A4.png
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: nice one mate :p
[14:01] <OerHeks> My provider is cool
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: how much upload speed you got?
[14:01] <ikonia> OerHeks: nice contribution
[14:01] <OerHeks> 5 mb .. but currently watching ip-tv on a win10 machine too.
[14:01] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: thnx, I would suggest I channel for you (#stfu) but you won't fit in there
[14:01] <ikonia> wyoung: that is not acceptable
[14:01] <ikonia> wyoung: STOP with your language
[14:01] <ikonia> and stop being rude to people
[14:02] <wyoung> ikonia: acronyms are disallowed too/.
[14:02] <ikonia> wyoung: yes, - it's clear what you are telling him to do and it is not acceptable
[14:02] <ikonia> you said you have read the rules - this is being rude to someone, so stop now
[14:02] <wyoung> ikonia: abbreviations and acronyms are not allowed?
[14:02] <ikonia> it's not just the words - it's your intetion, stop talking to people like this please
[14:02] <wyoung> ikonia: no, I am saying it won't fit into specific topic of a channels
[14:02] <wyoung> ikonia: I wasn't swearing to him at all
[14:03] <wyoung> it = he
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: he's just searching for words that would bypass guidelines
[14:03] <wyoung> or at him
[14:03] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: yes, it's clear what's going on here, and it will end now
[14:03] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: no, I am just not breaking the guidelines
[14:03] <OerHeks> Why is ubuntu-stufio-amd64 so populair this release?
[14:03] <ikonia> wyoung: you are - you are being rude to someone stop it
[14:03] <OerHeks> or is it just me, seeding?
[14:03] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I am following them
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: perhaps by the new maintainer?
[14:04] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, yeah, i read about that
[14:04] <ikonia> OerHeks: I think a lot of the audio stuff was upgraded
[14:04] <ikonia> OerHeks: gives a gew people another oppertunity to maybe use it for audio production,
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> cool
[14:04] <wyoung> ikonia: that is just your opionion / Interpretation though
[14:05] <wyoung> ikonia: you should rephrase that
[14:05] <wyoung> ikonia: add some fluff to it
[14:05] <ikonia> wyoung: is this how you want it to end ?
[14:05] <ikonia> ok - enough now
[14:05] <ikonia> this isn't going to work out for you
[14:06] <wyoung> ikonia: if you think I am breaking guidlines then I thnk making idol threats is also breaking them
[14:06] <wyoung> ikonia: so stop making them,
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: OerHeks just asked what makes the new studio xenial so popular? he's seeding torrents
[14:07] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: what is stuiod xenial?
[14:07] <wyoung> studio*
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> !codenames | wyoung
[14:07] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, I suspect the US users are like me: LTS only.  so this is like xmas time
[14:07] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: studio is a codename?
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: audio stuff + lts then?
[14:08] <cfhowlett> audio + visual multimedia production
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> cool
[14:09] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: code name for ubuntu?  what version will be / is studio?  16.04?
[14:09] <wyoung> I thought that was xenial
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> !studio | wyoung
[14:09] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: thnx buddy, that makes more sense now
[14:09] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: does that include gimp?
[14:10] <pauljw> man, do i love the ignore list!!
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you can download ubuntu studio and find out :p
[14:10] <cfhowlett> pauljw, indeed!
[14:10] <wyoung> I have had issues with gimp, I open up images and it changes / interrupts colours differently
[14:10] <pauljw> :)
[14:10] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: or I can ask in a disccusion channel/
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you didnt read the guidelines?
[14:11] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: unless you are going to be a ikonia about it
[14:11] <cfhowlett> wyoung, dial back the attitude
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you think your real smart dont you
[14:11] <wyoung> cfhowlett: lotuspsychje is bringing the attitude in here, I am just fling it back to him
[14:11] <cfhowlett> wyoung, so very mature
[14:11] <wyoung> flinging*
[14:12] <cfhowlett> but the guidelines apply.  even to you.
[14:12] <wyoung> cfhowlett: no, I just look up to lotuspsychje as a role model, so I am following his lead
[14:12] <wyoung> cfhowlett: I know
[14:12] <ikonia> I suggest you just ignore wyoung for the moment, it will end shortly
[14:12] <wyoung> cfhowlett: I am following them
[14:12] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: nope
[14:12] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: I think the world of you though
[14:13] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: whatcha wearing?
[14:13] <cfhowlett> OK I think we've seen enough.  release the ban hammer
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: im wearing a black t-shirty with UNITY IS GREAT!
[14:14] <wyoung> cfhowlett: nah I think lotuspsychje and ikonia have learnt their lesson, go easy one them
[14:14] <wyoung> one = on
[14:15] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: and on the front it says "I like contradictions"
[14:20]  * lotuspsychje sit back and enjoys the show
[14:21] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: can I watch?
[14:21] <OerHeks>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-discuss
[14:21] <OerHeks> \/msg chanserv op #ubuntu-discuss
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: your op here?
[14:22] <ikonia> he is now :)
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> : )
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: he's been trolling and misleading all week in #ubuntu
[14:24] <cfhowlett> learn the lesson or be the lesson ...
[14:24] <ikonia> I've just gone through some notes and found him unacceptable
[14:24] <ikonia> sorry it took time to sort out
[14:24] <ikonia> thank you OerHeks
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: dont worry, he was walking on the thin red line...
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: some trolls are harder to catch this way
[14:25] <ikonia> more than enough rope, just needed a little help from OerHeks
[14:25] <pauljw> :)
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:25] <ikonia> which he delivered great
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> dtgr: welcome, how can we help you?
[14:28] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: wrong channel ;)
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: could be our friend re-visiting :p
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> they usually do after a fresh ban
[14:28] <dtgr> just checking out IRC, anything special on this chan or smth?
[14:28] <pauljw> nah, he couldn't keep his mouth shut this long
[14:29] <ikonia> as long as he doesn't behave like he was before, he's welcome to a new identity
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> dtgr: this is the ubuntu discussing channel, how did you find us?
[14:29] <dtgr> someone just linked from #ubuntu
[14:30] <pauljw> dtgr, are you new to ubuntu/linux and irc?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[14:39] <TJ-> afternoon :)
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys pancake time :p
[14:43] <pauljw> mmm... pancakes....
[15:13] <BluesKaj> I found the memory leak , it was the origin adblocker
[15:14] <pauljw> :)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> guess I'll just put up with the ads for now
[15:18] <pauljw> origin didn't work well for me, don't remember what it did, but i switched to Bluhell Firewall and it works nicely
[15:19] <OerHeks> Doesn't that adblocker create a lot of traffic?
[15:19]  * OerHeks uses adguard-adblocker
[15:20] <TJ-> BluesKaj: have you tried using "umatrix" - I've found that the best solution. it does the job of noscript,adblock,noflash and everything else and is really easy to work with and understand
[15:21] <TJ-> some overview here (it's in the addons.mozilla.org and so on) https://github.com/gorhill/httpswitchboard/wiki/How-to-use-HTTP-Switchboard:-Two-opposing-views
[15:23] <BluesKaj> TJ-, thanks ...looking
[15:24] <TJ-> I love it, so slick compared to all the others, which feel klunky in comparision. click the icon, it shows the switchboard, generally allows of 1st-origin access but blocks 3rd party by default. Shows pink/red for blocked.. click in the top 1/2 of a square and it changes to green which means 'allowed' Click the 'refresh' icon and the page reloads. click the padlock icon to remember those settings
[15:24] <TJ-> permanently
[15:29] <TJ-> click the top 1/2 of a hostname in the left column and all that domain's common facilities are enabled... etc
[15:31] <BluesKaj> tj easy for you difficult for me ...I don't see a sitchboard , only an example
[15:33] <BluesKaj> sweems it's meant mostly for chromium , my default is FF
[15:33] <BluesKaj> think I'll stick with Bluhell
[15:37] <TJ-> BluesKaj: when its installed there's its icon on the taskbar top of the browser. click it and the switchboard shows where you cna control everything with a few clicks
[15:39] <pauljw> biab
[15:48] <TJ-> here's a screenshot of the switchboard opened on the BBC news site: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/umatrix.jpg
[16:17] <ikonia> TJ-: how did you generate that
[16:18] <TJ-> what?
[16:18] <ikonia> that umatrix window
[16:18] <ikonia> (sorry - I'm missing part of the chat on this it would seem)
[16:18] <TJ-> the image? just used the snapshot tool to capture an area
[16:18] <ikonia> sorry, I mean how did that information get generated
[16:19] <TJ-> in the umatrix switchboard? that's what umatrix extensio does, it control access to all the resources on a page. that's its control panel
[16:19] <ikonia> that looks very useful, I've never heard of it before
[16:20] <TJ-> It's much faster and more flexible that things like adblock, ublock origin, noscript et al
[16:20] <TJ-> same here... I got a tip about it on Hacker News in a discussion last year about AdBlocker
[16:21] <TJ-> It's one of those tools that genuinely has a 'wow' factor and it doesn't get in the way, it makes it easy to reason and control access at a glance, temporarily, or permanently
[16:44] <OerHeks> jay, 100 Gb+ >> http://i.imgur.com/vDXDo7N.png
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[17:47] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Quiet Sunday ? Going well .
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> pretty active support today :p
[17:48] <Bashing-om> Yeah .. been on a bit .. and has been steady .
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys movietime :p
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> have a nice evening
[20:10] <Bashing-om> ikonia: I admire your patience .. see if hep7 ever gets help form me .
[20:18] <OerHeks> wyoung was the little brother of hep7
[20:25] <daftykins> are you guys starting a fan club? :>
[20:28] <OerHeks> fan club ..
[20:32] <daftykins> there could be a volunteers hall of fame
[20:39] <OerHeks> In the dutch community, we had a ubuntero-of-the-month .. but that stopped when there was nobody left but me
[20:39] <OerHeks> :-D
[20:39] <OerHeks> ( to choose from)
[20:40] <OerHeks> http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/webteam/UbunterosVanDeMaand
[20:48] <daftykins> :D
[20:48]  * OerHeks silly


[08:21] <jodh> xnox: can you review lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/bypass-quiesce-logic-for-pid1 today please? I'd really like to get this into the package this morning if possible.
[20:05] <modafinil> I'm trying to have an upstart job that uses setuid/setgid have a pre-start script that runs as root -- I think the way to do this is dropping permissions in my script
[20:05] <modafinil> Is there a better way?
[20:07] <modafinil> it's a pain to do this with sudo (which I guess would work) because I'm running some bash specific stuff, and a two line script block


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 Hey i used ppa backport repo nd used apt update and apt get full upgrade but plasma version is still 5.18
[05:08] <zbuster05> test
 |Newer plasma is not buildable in 20.04 due to Qt version required (re @Drax3452L: Hey i used ppa backport repo nd used apt update and apt get full upgrade but plasma version is still 5.18)
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[20:04] <romka> привет всем
[20:04] <romka> hi all
[20:04] <diogenes_> hi
[20:05] <romka> guys can you help? alt + f2. how to install another launcher?
[20:05] <romka> what is keyword? xD
 looks like 3d and/or o
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[22:19] <kbnewbie123> Hi all. I have an issue with Kubuntu where any time I select any text, its automatically copied to the clipboard. I don't recall this occurring before, and I have not changed any of my settings. I verified that "Synchronize contents of the clipboard and the selection" is disabled under the Plasma clipboard settings. Does anyone know what the issue
[22:19] <kbnewbie123> might be?
 In Plasma, when I click on "Open Containing Folder" from an application (for example, Firefox), it always opens up a new Tab inside dolphin.  Anybody know how to make it open with a new instance in Dolphin?
 Found it! (re @zparihar: In Plasma, when I click on "Open Containing Folder" from an application (for example, Firefox), it always opens up a new Tab inside dolphin.  Anybody know how to make it open with a new instance in Dolphin?)


[13:00] <qwebirc98897> it was suggested to me to add the mythubuntu ppa to fix a bug. I'm currently running mythbuntu 16. how can i add that repo?
[13:52] <tgm4883> qwebirc98897: open mythbuntu control centre and enable it there for the version you have
[13:55] <qwebirc98897> is there a way to do it via ssh? i don thave GUI access at the moment
[13:56] <qwebirc98897> also, I think i did with apt-add-repository ppa:mythbuntu/testing
[14:06] <tgm4883> qwebirc98897: nope, that PPA doesn't have updates. Let me getyou the right one, which version of mythtv are you on?
[14:07] <qwebirc98897> 16
[14:07] <qwebirc98897> .28 i mean. 16 is mythbuntu version
[14:08] <tgm4883> qwebirc98897: so 'apt-add-repository -r ppa:mythbuntu/testing' then 'apt-add-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.28'
[14:09] <tgm4883> qwebirc98897: it's important for you to remove the testing one since I push stuff there that could potentially break stuff
[14:11] <qwebirc98897> ok, removed
[14:11] <qwebirc98897> isnt apt-add-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.28 part of the build?
[14:11] <tgm4883> no
[14:12] <qwebirc98897> im new to this tool...any reason?
[14:12] <tgm4883> Because we can't have ppa's enabled in the ISO
[14:12] <qwebirc98897> oh...can it be added as part of a post install script?
[14:13] <qwebirc98897> sudo apt-get install upgrades Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package upgrades
[14:14] <qwebirc98897> arg - wrong command
[14:14] <tgm4883> It asks you when you install MCC, just not from the ISO
[14:14] <qwebirc98897> i must have missed that step in the process
[14:25] <qwebirc98897> question about the mythdatabase which occurs during install. it says "If any other computers (that includes other Front End machines) with MythTV
[14:25] <qwebirc98897> so Kodi as a front end would not qualify, right?
[14:33] <tgm4883> qwebirc98897: yeait would
[14:33] <tgm4883> I'm pretty sure it still accesses the database directly
[14:56] <qwebirc98897> carp. the message sounds like it is only talking about mythtv. so i hit no
[14:56] <qwebirc98897> guess we'll see what happens


[10:27] <AsciiWolf> ItzSwirlz, nope, that seems to be a different issue
[10:28] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, any update about the sponsor for the torbrowser-launcher Focal SRU? :)
[13:48] <ItzSwirlz> Still awaiting sponsor reviews
[21:59] <ItzSwirlz> Are any MOTU's available right now?