[10:48] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111: printer setup is a different process after this
[10:48] <kkathman> Gnu: when I do that command, it just prints back a list of commands
[10:49] <nis> tigger|nl: libpisock8
[10:49] <Redwraith111> i did some set up
[10:49] <kkathman> oh wait
[10:49] <kkathman> let me sudo that
[10:49] <slept> Redwraith111: each user
[10:49] <Redwraith111> il lsee if i can acess it but i cant get it to print yet because i could access the linux box
[10:49] <tigger|nl> nis: tnx! it works!
[10:49] <Redwraith111> excellent
[10:49] <Redwraith111> i set up the printer correctly as well
[10:50] <Redwraith111> now if i am a user on the XP box and set it as a printer.. how can i make it so ALL users can use the printer?
[10:50] <kkathman> hmm ok well no error that time after typing the password and retyping
[10:50] <Xappe> hmm, wonder if I can get dune 2 running in dosbox :)
[10:50] <nis> tigger|nl: no problem.  Don't do it as root -- pilot-xfer will work as low user with access to the rs232c port (same access as minicom user has, say).  I think that's correct.
[10:50] <kkathman> now, are you saying that my windows boxes should be able to see the Linux now??
[10:51] <Redwraith111> i just dont have the driver on windows for the printer
[10:51] <kkathman> that doesnt seem right I guess
[10:51] <GnuKemist> kkathman: you may have to restart samba... someone correct me here
[10:51] <Redwraith111> so if i set up the printer can any user use it
[10:51] <Redwraith111> i didnt have to restart
[10:51] <Redwraith111> just aminute ago
[10:51] <kkathman> how do I do that? sorry to be such a newb :)
[10:52] <slept> kkathman : you need the password to log in if you can't see something to log in you can't use your password
[10:52] <GnuKemist> kkathman: /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:52] <GnuKemist> kkathman: not sure if the spelling is correct... am not at the pc right now
[10:53] <kkathman> its stopping and starting so I think its right :)
[10:53] <GnuKemist> kkathman: cool
[10:53] <Redwraith111> i can just dl the drivers on windows for the printer right?
[10:53] <Redwraith111> but do i have to go into each windows account and enter the password?
[10:53] <kkathman> now I should be able to go to a windows box and look at the network and see the box yes?
[10:53] <Redwraith111> or will it just work
[10:53] <GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
[10:53] <Redwraith111> GnuKemist, am i right?
[10:54] <sic|> why don't they just add java to synaptic....jeebus!
[10:54] <kkathman> nope
[10:54] <slept> kkathman : use smbtree to find out if your linuxboxes really can see  windows
[10:54] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111: hang on... didn't follow your thoughts
[10:54] <Redwraith111> oh
[10:54] <kkathman> slept  I can bring up the Computer display in Gnome and go right to a specific directory on one of my windows boxes
[10:54] <Redwraith111> well.. i need to install the driver still (linux doesnt send it over i dont have it) but then do i need toset it up with each user
[10:55] <Redwraith111> or will everyuser beable to print?
[10:55] <NetGeek> anyone having problems updating today?
[10:55] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111: am not too familiar with printer setup but I think you can set it up to be accessible by all
[10:55] <slept> kkathman: thaths the volume-manager that looks for workgroups, you have to make sure your server is in the same group
[10:56] <odie5533> what is the standard in archival filetype for linux?
[10:56] <odie5533> tgz?
[10:56] <stazz> odie5533: tar.gz
[10:56] <kkathman> slept:  Didnt I do that in the network configuration manager when I specified the workgroup as WORKGROUP?
[10:56] <stazz> odie5533: but .tar.bz2 is gaining popularity
[10:56] <GnuKemist> kkathman: another silly thing (it's happened to me before) is to make sure your linux box is not named the same as your windowz
[10:56] <odie5533> which is better?
[10:56] <kkathman> oh its not
[10:56] <mjr> tar.gz is pretty much the norm; tar.bz2 is emerging as a viable option (better compression)
[10:57] <odie5533> Yeah... bz2 is better
[10:57] <mjr> bz2 is tighter but slower, you decide
[10:57] <kkathman> When I go to System Config ... Neworking
[10:57] <GnuKemist> kkathman: I spent several hours one day trying to connect to a friend's server from my laptop... it had the same name as mine
[10:57] <NetGeek> where do you define your workgroup in  hoary?
[10:57] <odie5533> bz2 :D
[10:57] <sdogi> wtf
[10:57] <Chipzz> stazz: is gaining?
[10:57] <selinium_> is there a way to force a program to start in a particular workspace?
[10:57] <odie5533> Also, is tar.bz2 smaller than rar?
[10:57] <Chipzz> .tar.bz2 is in wide use since years
[10:57] <selinium_> Hi all again!
[10:57] <slept> kkathman : I  always edited samba by hand don't know about the gnome things
[10:57] <GnuKemist> NetGeek:
[10:57] <kkathman> and then go to the General tab...  the hostname is set to Ubuntu
[10:58] <kkathman> isnt that the computer name?
[10:58] <stazz> Chipzz: oh, I'm very sorry, let me rephrase..
[10:58] <GnuKemist> NetGeek: check ubuntuguide.org
[10:58] <mjr> odie5533, no idea and irrelevant for this talk about standard archival filetypes in linux, since rar isn't free ;)
[10:58] <GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
[10:58] <sdogi> is there a sloppy focus in gnome?
[10:58] <slept> kkathman : with smbtree you will find out in no time if things are configured right or not
[10:59] <kkathman> The Doman name is blank., the Enable Windows networking is checked, the Description is %h(Samba,Ubuntu) and Domain/Workgroup is WORKGROUP
[10:59] <mjr> sdogi, yes
[10:59] <odie5533> Ah, I thought it was, meh, its so widely used on windows, just wondering
[10:59] <sdogi> mjr: how can i enable it
[10:59] <mjr> sdogi, Preferences/Windows
[10:59] <GnuKemist> take care you all
[10:59] <selinium_> safe driving GnuKemist
[10:59] <netmonk> dmouritsendk, the starting of the script worked out, thanks s bunch
[10:59] <sdogi> mjr: ahh :)
[10:59] <sdogi> mjr: thanks :)
[10:59] <Zodi> whats this room for?
[11:00] <selinium_> Zodi: Ubuntu linux
[11:00] <dmouritsendk> netmonk, no problem :) glad it worked :)
[11:00] <Zodi> kk
[11:00] <ace2001ac> is the 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary' archive down?
[11:00] <kkathman> slept is the command just smbtree at the $ prompt?
[11:00] <selinium_> Zodi: is that you real name?
[11:00] <slept> yes
[11:00] <kkathman> ok I got a long output on that slept
[11:01] <slept> kkathman : did it find your windows boxes ?
[11:01] <kkathman> well
[11:01] <kkathman> I guess yes
[11:01] <kkathman> but just before them
[11:01] <kkathman> its says "failed negprot?
[11:02] <kkathman> but then the boxes are listed with their shared resources
[11:02] <kkathman> negprot = negotiated protocol?
[11:03] <slept> kkathman : do you have a firewall on windows ?
[11:03] <kkathman> oh wait
[11:03] <kkathman> hmm.. I just noticed something
[11:03] <kkathman> the system failed to restart samba
[11:03] <selinium_> hi there slept!
[11:03] <kkathman> when I did that restart
[11:04] <kkathman> it says ok to the stopp...but fail on the start
[11:04] <slept> kkathman : sudo ?
[11:04] <kkathman> should I do a sudo /etc/init.d/samba start   ?
[11:04] <slept> hi selinium_
[11:04] <slept> kkathman: yes it needs sudo
[11:04] <setite_> YAY!!!!
[11:05] <setite_> black bars!!!!
[11:05] <setite_> haha i figure out the issue
[11:05] <slept> kkathman :restart
[11:05] <kkathman> ok its started now
[11:05] <selinium_> slept: If i hang around here long enough I might become useful!
[11:05] <setite_> i needed to select the proper scan ranges
[11:05] <slept> hope so
[11:05] <setite_> for anyone
[11:05] <kkathman> but I get the same output on smbtree
[11:06] <kkathman> failed negprot...then a list of the windows boxes
[11:06] <rsw> hey pals, i heard ubuntu is a redhat project.  true, y/n?
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> no
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> read up
[11:06] <selinium_> rsw: NOOOO!
[11:06] <kkathman> fedora is the RH project I think
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[11:06] <setite_> ok now i need to figure out the right settings to get the proper resolution
[11:06] <kkathman> ubuntu is debian-based I believe
[11:07] <slept> kkathman : don't know the negprot thing
[11:07] <setite_> is there a better driver for hoary 64... than the one included... for nvidia
[11:07] <kkathman> slept - I got a message before on failed negotiated protocol
[11:07] <kkathman> so Im thinking that may be similar
[11:07] <rsw> yeah, but from what i heard it seems to be redhat playing with debian.  but as i suspected, it's probably just baseless french propaganda.
[11:07] <setite> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html
[11:07] <rsw> thanks, pals.
[11:07] <selinium_> setite: I think you can choose between the nvidia and the NV driver
[11:07] <setite> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12225&highlight=widescreen+monitor
[11:08] <Shoda1> Shouldn't I be able to install a i386 .deb packet on a amd64 system?
[11:08] <^thehatsrule^> probably
[11:08] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[11:08] <kkathman> prolly not Shoda...wouldnt there be a specific kernel for the 64 bit processor?
[11:09] <kkathman> seems like I saw that somewhere
[11:09] <Shoda1> Yep
[11:09] <kkathman> but you still might be able to
[11:09] <kkathman> I know when I got my cd there were options to get a cd for a 64-bit AMD
[11:10] <kkathman> and another option to get the 386
[11:10] <setite_> where is the xorg.conf file
[11:10] <Shoda1> I read posts from people who installed e.g. opera i386 on amd64
[11:10] <selinium_> setite: you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure your setup,
[11:10] <flint_> does anyone here have SCSI and 1 tb hard drives?
[11:10] <selinium_> setite: it runs a druid for you.
[11:10] <Shoda1> Yes, thats right. There a special OS versions for amd64 systems
[11:10] <kkathman> ohh i see..opera should install ok on the 64-bit machine
[11:10] <setite_> nah ive done all that
[11:11] <setite_> i need to add my custom resolution to the xorg.conf
[11:11] <cyklus> setite: /etc/X11
[11:11] <slept> setite_ :  install read-edid  , get-edid|parse edid will give you all values
[11:11] <setite_> i know what to input... i just dont know where the xorg.conf file is
[11:11] <Shoda1> But dbki brings up a error: " Paket-Architektur (i386) passt nicht zum System (amd64)"
[11:12] <selinium_> setite: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:12] <Xappe> setite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:12] <robertj> whee our campus got a loca Ubuntu mirror
[11:12] <setite_> thanks
[11:12] <selinium_> Hi Xappe
[11:12] <gilles> i've got a big resolution problem on the new hoary (installed with review cd): first, to be able to run gdm on my acer laptop, i had to change the default depth from 24 to 16, but now i have a big resolution 640x480, and whatever i do doesn't change it, even the console's resolution is better! Someone has an idea ?
[11:12] <maxchee> does anyone know of a gnome-vfs plugin that supports compressed archieves?
[11:13] <cyklus> I installed preview and now there are over 250 updates.. are there really that many bug fixes after a feature freeze?
[11:13] <p-fox> when doing a full upgrade to hoary in synaptic, is it identical to installing hoary from an iso?
[11:13] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[11:14] <Shoda1> I meant dpkg of course...
[11:14] <Xappe> selinium_: hi
[11:14] <slept> gilles : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:14] <marsjays> is there any way to make _all_ of my installed (x-based) applications show up in gnomes applications menu?
[11:14] <^thehatsrule^> edit it
[11:15] <Yomic> Where can I find information on how to expand my partition (From a partial 3G of an HD the entire 15G hard-drive)
[11:15] <Yomic> to the*
[11:15] <^thehatsrule^> use parted or qtparted?
[11:15] <maxchee> marsjays: are you using hoary or warty?
[11:15] <geppy> Are any gstreamer-based plugins available for mozilla/firefox?  I'd like to be able to view streamed movies/listen to streamed music, etc
[11:15] <selinium_> Xappe: I am hanging around in the vain hope that some knowledge will rub off!"
[11:16] <selinium_> geppy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:16] <marsjays> maxchee: hoary
[11:16] <maddler> Yomic: try searching for "parted" on freshmeat
[11:16] <Yomic> Okay, thanks.
[11:17] <maxchee> marsjays: someone on the ubuntu forum made a menu editor for gnome 2.10
[11:17] <ronchie02> I have a question, if anyone is willing to take a stab at it
[11:17] <selinium_> go on :)
[11:17] <maxchee> ronchie02: go on
[11:17] <Yomic> Ask it, and they (we) might. ;)
[11:17] <ronchie02> I'm installing Ubuntu, and it keeps locking up at configuring apt
[11:17] <setite_> damn i forgot all the things i knew about ubuntu
[11:18] <ronchie02> I've installed debian before, so I'm familiar with the installer
[11:18] <Xappe> selinium_: what kind of knowledge?
[11:18] <setite_> how do i kill the xserver
[11:18] <geppy> selinium_:  Right, I have mplayer and xine plugins, but I'd like a gstreamer one, as gstreamer is a pretty fancy framework. =)
[11:18] <setite_> so that the changes to xorg will take place
[11:18] <maxchee> setite_: ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:18] <gilles> slept: it changed nothing
[11:19] <selinium_> Xappe: Any :) but mainly linux!
[11:19] <Xappe> selinium_: hehe
[11:19] <slept> setite_ : just stop it with /etc/init.d/gdm restart , kdm for kubuntu
[11:19] <garrut> * setite_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) think it worked :)
[11:19] <flint_> IS there a Equal too kazaa for ubuntu?
[11:20] <maxchee> flint_: amule
[11:20] <selinium_> Xappe: I managed to lunch my Xconfig and learnt so much! irssi and switching between consoles and the like!
[11:20] <flint_> maxchee, geez i have heard realy bad things
[11:20] <ronchie02> It's Hoary, BTW, if that makes a difference
[11:20] <slept> gilles : did you select the resolution you wanted ?
[11:20] <maxchee> flint_: like emule's slowliness
[11:20] <flint_> maxchee, yeah
[11:20] <selinium_> Xappe: Do you  know if there is a way of forcing a program to start in a particular workspace?
[11:21] <flint_> maxchee, if you use one whihc one?
[11:21] <black_Nightmare> one stupid question lol...
[11:21] <black_Nightmare> bios PnP probably should be off to install and run ubuntu with?
[11:21] <maxchee> flint_: if you want speed, go with bit torrent
[11:21] <black_Nightmare> it'll be the only os
[11:21] <gilles> slept: yes, but the problem looks more complicated, i even deleted all low resolution in xorg.conf, but it changed nothing
[11:21] <maxchee> flint_: hoary includes BT support
[11:21] <beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
[11:21] <flint_> maxchee, (abit uneducated in linux) what is bit torrent?
[11:21] <Akira> hoary comes with a bt client
[11:21] <setite> shit
[11:22] <maxchee> flint_: www.bittorrent.com
[11:22] <setite> i buggered the xorg
[11:22] <Xappe> selinium_: workspace as in gnome's virtual desktops?
[11:22] <setite> how do i return it to the original
[11:22] <Akira> bit torrent is like all other p2p in ways
[11:22] <Akira> its not just linux
[11:22] <slept> selinium_ : go to the workspace and start the programm , or just right-click it and move it to where you want it
[11:22] <setite> well the fact that it is peer to peer is one way
[11:22] <gilles> slept: and it depth 24, the laptop can't run gdm
[11:23] <geppy> the xine version of totem has a mozilla plugin
[11:23] <Xappe> slept: I guess he want that procedure automated
[11:23] <geppy> is there a gstreamer-based mozilla plugin to be had?
[11:23] <beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
[11:23] <maxchee> flint_: also there is edonkey. which cannot find the rare files in ed2k, but can download at a much higher speed
[11:23] <selinium_> Xappe: yep, I always start with particular programs on different v desktops. I know how to move them but I didn't know if there was a switch to auto start in desktop 4... Something like that
[11:23] <setite> anyone?
[11:23] <maxchee> flint_: also, note that kazaa has many fakes, while the file quality on ed2k is much higher
[11:23] <garrut> anyone here using valknut?
[11:23] <black_Nightmare> anyone?
[11:23] <slept> setite : read  /etc/X11/xorg and do the md5sum things
[11:23] <Akira> what about emule?
[11:23] <Akira> there is a lot of p2p clients
[11:23] <setite> ok
[11:24] <setite> well not ok
[11:24] <maxchee> geppy: I would suggest media player connection extension for firefox
[11:24] <setite> i dont get that
[11:24] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, basicly will any of them work with 56k?
[11:24] <Xappe> selinium_: if you find out how, please tell me :)
[11:24] <setite> read it from cli?
[11:24] <geppy> maxchee:  What's that, exactly?
[11:24] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: yes
[11:24] <maxchee> geppy: it
[11:24] <selinium_> Xappe: OK mission accepted!
[11:24] <DemonTears> plz can't print arabic font it replace it by bizzare char
[11:24] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, so whihc one do you think is best edonkey or bit torrent?
[11:24] <slept> setite : with any editor or cat
[11:24] <maxchee> is an extension for firefox that will replace the media player plugins with a spaceholder
[11:24] <Xappe> selinium_: dismissed.
[11:24] <DemonTears> i can read them in mozilla firefox
[11:25] <selinium_> Xappe: ROFL
[11:25] <beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
[11:25] <DemonTears> but not printing them
[11:25] <goldfish> Fl-i-nT: torrents are better
[11:25] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: BT is good for new releases, ed2k is for rare/old files
[11:25] <ronchie02> Anyone? :/
[11:25] <goldfish> Fl-i-nT: get azureus for d/l torrents
[11:25] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: I use both
[11:25] <goldfish> yeah
[11:25] <goldfish> :)
[11:25] <garrut> DemonTears: aribic fonts are bizarre characters
[11:25] <garrut> ;)
[11:26] <setite> md5?
[11:26] <slept> beCkman : edit /etc/apt/sources.list replace warthy with hoary, do an apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:26] <setite> can i by any chance pull the xorg off the install cd
[11:26] <kkathman> slept....finally worked
[11:26] <setite> and use a livecd to browse and replace
[11:26] <Xappe> selinium_: :D
[11:27] <maxchee> setite: what are you trying to do?
[11:27] <setite> fix my xorg
[11:27] <setite> i buggered it
[11:27] <slept> setite: you don't have to
[11:27] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, so shall i get azureus or BT ?
[11:27] <dabugas> hello
[11:27] <ronchie02> Can anyone help?
[11:27] <selinium_> setite: you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure your setup,
[11:27] <setite> ok well i know what i need to remove... so i guess i just need to know how
[11:27] <ronchie02> The install freezes half way through configuring apt
[11:27] <Shoda1> It looks like my sources.list is out of date, where can I get a uptodate version of it?
[11:27] <selinium_> setite: i think
[11:27] <jogariga> does anyone know how i can get the new enlightenment working on ubuntu?
[11:27] <setite> will that remove the extra stuff i added to teh xorg?
[11:27] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: just get hoary and you will have a bittorrent client (btw, BT is the short form for bittorrent. Azureus is a popular java+swt bittorrent client)
[11:28] <LuckyStrike> wow developers of ubuntu have made it quite possibly the most user friendly distro about
[11:28] <beCkman> thanks!
[11:28] <slept> setite:  sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[11:28] <selinium_> setite: what have you got to lose!
[11:28] <kkathman> Shoda - apt-get update   apt-get upgrade   apt-get dist-upgrade and that should get you straightened out
[11:28] <maxchee> anyone using openoffice2?
[11:28] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, how big is hoary to download from pure warty fresh install with no updates?
[11:28] <selinium_> setite: listen to slept, slept knows!
[11:28] <_BIJ_> is it possible to install kde via apt-get without risking to break my gnome configuration?
[11:28] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: around 550 megs
[11:29] <setite> whoa
[11:29] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: actually, it's probably less; it's quite a bit, but just less than the CD, I believe.
[11:29] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, then i doubt i can downlaod that with a 56k connexion lol id be here all month
[11:29] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: in the mean time, you can always use the official client (the one from BT's creator, Bram Cohen)
[11:29] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: yup :).
[11:29] <geppy> maxchee:  ?
[11:29] <Shoda1> Thx kkathman, I did run the first 2 commands already and running the third one right now.
[11:29] <garrut> _BIJ_: you can run gnome and kde at the same time no problem
[11:30] <maxchee> geppy: wait...
[11:30] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, its a rpm i donwloaded from there site how do i install it ?
[11:30] <geppy> k
[11:30] <Shoda1> Strangely "apt-get update" returned an error and suggested to run "apt-get update" to fix it O_o
[11:30] <ronchie02> Can someone please help?
[11:30] <maxchee> geppt: find it here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1899&hl=media
[11:30] <gilles> i can't have at the same time the sound of the system, and the sound in totem, why?
[11:31] <gilles> (on ubuntu hoary)
[11:31] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: try apt-get install bittorrent
[11:31] <kkathman> Shoda - hmm thats interesting
[11:31] <kkathman> what was the error?
[11:31] <garrut> gilles: your soundcard doesn't support duplex, you can do that through software though
[11:32] <apokryphos> gilles: You will likely want to look into getting ALSA with the dmix plugin set up
[11:32] <helix_> are the ubuntu archives down?
[11:32] <helix_> i do apt-get update and it fails
[11:32] <slept> kkathman : what was the problem with samba , how did you fix it ?
[11:32] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, you know how hoary right now is in preview what exactly do they mean by preview like it doesnt have full programmes or something?
[11:32] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: you should install new programs using apt-get or the graphical Synaptic Package Manager
[11:32] <apokryphos> helix_: nope
[11:32] <ronchie02> Hey, can someone please help?
[11:33] <maxchee> geppy: find it here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1899&hl=media
[11:33] <ronchie02> configuring apt locks up
[11:33] <ronchie02> half way thorough
[11:33] <kkathman> slept:   Not sure I've 100% fixed it
[11:33] <ronchie02> **through
[11:33] <helix_> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg
[11:33] <helix_>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[11:33] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, ok
[11:33] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: it means that it's still technically in "developement" status. It will reach "stable" status on April; roughly April 6th.
[11:33] <helix_> i get that
[11:33] <kkathman> slept:  The windows boxes can now see the Linux box though
[11:33] <geppy> maxchee: Thanks!
[11:33] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: did it work?
[11:33] <setite> nothing happened
[11:33] <Yomic> When running ./configure for parted I can across the following error:
[11:33] <Yomic> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[11:33] <Yomic> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:33] <setite> it errored
[11:33] <slept> kkathman : great, are you able to log in ?
[11:33] <setite> saying no md5-sum or soemthing
[11:33] <kkathman> but when I click on Ubuntu on the Windows tree, it times out
[11:33] <Fackamato> Yomic: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:33] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, shoudl i pkill gnome-panel'' ?
[11:33] <Yomic> OKay, thanks.
[11:33] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Though in such a status, the vast majority of people in here are using it. Hoary has all the latest apps etc. Warty will still get security updates for 18 months after its release, but it won't be getting new apps.
[11:34] <kkathman> slept I dont want to log in, just see files on the other machines
[11:34] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: try killall gnome-panel
[11:34] <setite> and dpkg-reconfigure wouldnt work because i modified my xorg
[11:34] <heatwave> Im running hoary preview... how do I get my old cursors back?
[11:34] <codyman> hey what browser does everyone use around here.. I've been using firefox lately but its been crashing on me a lot.. and konquerer is ridiculously slow on my computer even though I have a super fast cable connection
[11:34] <Shoda1> kkathman: I added something to sources.list as suggested in the ubuntu starter guide
[11:34] <heatwave> the new cursors arent as nice :/
[11:34] <heatwave> (esp the waiting-cursor)
[11:34] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: btw, rpm packages can be installed using the alien utility. but note that this is for applications only. (not libraries)
[11:34] <apokryphos> heatwave: do you recall the name of it?
[11:34] <slept> setite: dpkg  -P xserver-xorg and then reinstall it
[11:34] <Shoda1> The error was :"W: Kann nicht auf die Liste ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)
[11:34] <Shoda1> W: Sie mchten vielleicht apt-get update aufrufen, um diese Probleme zu lsen"
[11:35] <setite> reinstall what
[11:35] <setite> ubuntu
[11:35] <LuckyStrike> does ubuntu have a run level gui setup tool?
[11:35] <codyman> Shoda1: whats that say in english...
[11:35] <gilles> apokryphos: what package should i install, and what may i change in the system preferences ?
[11:35] <dabugas> does anyone know if there is a package for gmplayer? (i mean mplayer compiled with the gui)
[11:35] <helix_> does anyone knows why my apt keeps failing to update
[11:35] <heatwave> apokryphos: no, it was just the stock cursors.. the waiting-cursor was this round circle-thing in warty, but here in hoary its an analog clock
[11:35] <Xappe> heatwave: well, that is pure old cursors that got lost somewhere in the updates. the old ones should get back til the release
[11:35] <codyman> helix_: i am having the same problem right now
[11:35] <Shoda1> Which looks like some urls are out of date and I shouls run apt-get update to fix the problems
[11:35] <slept> setite: no, the xserver
[11:35] <Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: that's only a warning (just sorta figuring it from what is written there) but it means you haven't downloaded marillat's public key yet, unfortunately I've lost the link to how to do that or I'd tell you
[11:35] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, where abouts is it o.O
[11:36] <setite> oh running reconfigure will recreate the file?
[11:36] <helix_> codyman: mmm?
[11:36] <Xappe> heatwave: and i'm to tired to make any sense'
[11:36] <kevman`> Excuse me, but how should I determine how full the HD storing Ubuntu is?
[11:36] <Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: or it could be that you haven't run apt-get update yet
[11:36] <heatwave> Xappe: ok, good :)
[11:36] <codyman> helix_: maybe servers down.. it always is freezing at 99%
[11:36] <apokryphos> gilles: remind me again of the problem
[11:36] <kkathman> Slept: do I need to create users on my linux box that correspond to the winbox name?
[11:36] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[11:36] <gilles> apokryphos: no system sound and sound in totem at the same time
[11:36] <selinium_> lo
[11:36] <helix_> codyman: mine doesnt even goes from zero up
[11:36] <helix_> it timed out
[11:36] <pxro> how to change the default boot-in-XYZos ?
[11:37] <pxro> in yaboot
[11:37] <Shoda1> Quinn_Storm: "apt-get update" IS the program who brings up this error ;)
[11:37] <codyman> helix_: hmm... did it just stop working suddenly?
[11:37] <garrut> kevman: df -h
[11:37] <confrey> I installed libdvdcss2,but I can't see a dvd with totem, why?
[11:37] <slept> kkathman : you can choose whathever you want you have to log in anyway
[11:37] <helix_> codyman: yeah
[11:37] <Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: then its just the warning I mentioned, and you can safely ignore it
[11:37] <apokryphos> gilles: oh yes. http://resolute.ucsd.edu/diwaker/articles/howtos/howto-alsa-dmix.html
[11:37] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, see how jsut because BT( british telecom ) cant be asked to run a 1 mile long cable to the sourronding villages we peope are serously dissadvantaged
[11:37] <helix_> codyman: whats the ip of your server
[11:37] <setite> im almost done burning the livecd if that helps
[11:37] <codyman> helix_: if you haven't changed anything I would just chill for an hour or so and try again maybe the servers are really busy and or down
[11:37] <helix_> codyman: that is ubuntus
[11:37] <codyman> helix_: let me check
[11:37] <Shoda1> ok, thx
[11:37] <Xappe> Shoda1: wait for a while and try again
[11:37] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: That certainly sucks. I'm in GB, too. Wherabouts are you? :)
[11:38] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, South you?
[11:38] <codyman> helix_: us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:38] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: London :P
[11:38] <setite> felixstoe?
[11:38] <gilles> apokryphos: that looks very complicated... it's not for me
[11:38] <setite> ipswitch?
[11:38] <setite> ipswich*
[11:38] <kevman`> Thanks, garrut
[11:38] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i am around bristol
[11:38] <kkathman> Slept:  Hmm, I dont have to login from one windows box to another
[11:38] <helix_> codyman: <IP_ADDRESS>) <------------
[11:38] <kevman`> I have all kinds of room!
[11:38] <apokryphos> gilles: don't be put off. It's simple file-editing.
[11:38] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Cool; I'm thinking of going to Uni there this year. Nice place.
[11:39] <confrey> where can I put a command to be executes evry boot timew?
[11:39] <pxro> how to change default boot from linux to an other os ?
[11:39] <pxro> in yaboot
[11:39] <setite> slept... i dont know if you answered
[11:39] <slept> setite : you won't need the cd , you can just remove all xorg things and install them again,
[11:39] <sabmoc> confrey, what type of command?
[11:39] <setite> if i remove the xserver how an i to reinstall it
[11:39] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, how old are you becuase i still have another 4 years to even think about how to spell uni lol
[11:39] <setite> i dont know if apt is working from cli
[11:39] <borgista> anybody else having trying running *apt-get update*?
[11:39] <confrey> a little script to make ip masquerading
[11:39] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: 18
[11:39] <codyman> borgista: yes me and helix are having problems
[11:39] <borgista> ok
[11:39] <borgista> good, i'm not the only one
[11:40] <codyman> yes.. something is up
[11:40] <slept> kkathman: I didn't figure out if there is  a way to log in without password
[11:40] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos gezz take 3 of that thats me i am young hehe
[11:40] <confrey> I have a old PC, it is only a server, it only must share the internet connection
[11:40] <sabmoc> confrey, have you seen firestarter? does ipmasq very nicely
[11:40] <slept> setite : apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:40] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: minor :D.
[11:40] <setite> hmmm... ill try...
[11:40] <sabmoc> confrey, apt-get install firestarter
[11:40] <kkathman> slept: so are you saying that over in the windows side, I need to map a drive to the ubuntu server and put in the name and password
[11:41] <confrey> sabmoc, I don't know what it is, no matter; I only want to launch
[11:41] <confrey> my little script every boot
[11:41] <slept> setite : if you deinstall you have to remove --purge
[11:41] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, check it out i jsut thoguht of something funny, you know in the matrix how they take the pill and they enter real life well its like here we linux users have escaped the windows empire and are saved
[11:41] <setite> sudo dpkg -p xserver-xorg?
[11:41] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: released/set free/unleashed. Yes. ;-)
[11:41] <setite> ok livecd burned...
[11:41] <sabmoc> confrey, check init.d
[11:41] <borgista> anybody else experience big instability w/FIrefox in Hoary?
[11:42] <sabmoc> confrey, services that start on boot should go there
[11:42] <slept> kkathman : didn't really get it, if you connect from win to lin you need username and password (I do )
[11:42] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, since when you been linux user
[11:42] <Shoda1> I get the error "/usr/lib/opera/7.54-20050131.5/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" so I need to install "libqt-mt.so.3", right?
[11:42] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: just under a year, now.
[11:42] <Shoda1> Can I install that with apt-get?
[11:42] <tigger|nl> Shodal: run "gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907" from terminal (without " ofcourse ;)) and then sudo apt-get update, I had error messages with nerim.net, but now it works!
[11:42] <confrey> sabmoc, in ither distribution there is a rc.local; in debian-like what is ?
[11:42] <kkathman> yes you need to install the libqt-mt
[11:42] <slept> setite : its -P
[11:42] <HdrBtrFSr> horay using gnome 2.10 yet?
[11:42] <setite> capital?
[11:42] <Shoda1> Ok, thanks a lot tigger!
[11:42] <sabmoc> not sure
[11:42] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i am a total noob when i mean noob i meant it (you can tell)
[11:42] <borgista> it is HdrBtrFSr
[11:42] <setite> damn i forgot that case sensitive bs
[11:43] <HdrBtrFSr> (as in, if i download 5.04)
[11:43] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: all in good time. :P
[11:43] <borgista> Yes.
[11:43] <Xappe> HdrBtrFSr: since before 2.10 was released :P
[11:43] <kkathman> I had to do that also...you can find instructions by searching the Ubuntu site under the applications support area
[11:43] <justin`> whats the default root password for ubuntu? I don't remember setting one
[11:43] <tigger|nl> shodal: hope it works for you too!
[11:43] <apokryphos> justin`: there isn't one. Use sudo.
[11:43] <borgista> justin'...it's your user password
[11:43] <Mr_Elendig> justin`, there ain't one
[11:43] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, look do you think i should read all the manuals whihc will boar meto death and i wil;l forget 95% of it or shall i stay here and just learn by trial and improvment (what did you do?)
[11:44] <apokryphos> justin`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:44] <HdrBtrFSr> how stable is it for someone looking to be able to do day-to-day work & some minor server admin stuff?
[11:44] <Mr_Elendig> having a default root pasword, now that is a "good" idea
[11:44] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It really depends on what manual and what for. I'd recommend a manual/tutorial on the Command Line. It'll make you more confident with it.
[11:44] <borgista> I've only had minor issues with GAIM...and some BIG issues with firefox.
[11:44] <borgista> in hoary
[11:44] <Mr_Elendig> just like making a master key for all the bank vaults in the world
[11:44] <apokryphos> Mr_Elendig: *cough* Mepis.
[11:44] <HdrBtrFSr> borgista: big issues w/ firefox is a major turnoff
[11:44] <borgista> I know it is.
[11:44] <Xappe> mmm, firefox in hoary is quite a drag right now
[11:45] <borgista> It's really buggin me
[11:45] <Quinn_Storm> Xappe: what's wrong with it?
[11:45] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, what you mean by command line is like terminals and stuff like cd mkdir rm ls ls -a apt-get etc etc etc?
[11:45] <HdrBtrFSr> (off-topic: /igore *what* will block joins/leaves messages?)
[11:45] <kkathman> ahh another small victory, I got my linux box printing through to a windows printer :)
[11:45] <HdrBtrFSr> *ignore
[11:45] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Anything in the Terminal, yup.
[11:45] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, is this what you did
[11:45] <kkathman> apokryphos...how do you like Konqueror?
[11:45] <Shoda1> kkathman: Can I install libqt-mt with apt-get?
[11:45] <smouche> konqueror or epiphany are more usable right now, even mozilla, than firefox.
[11:46] <Fl-i-nT> or a year ago linux was still in the stone age :P
[11:46] <Xappe> Quinn_Storm: well, it wont save files unless you do a "save link as...". it dies unexpectedly when browsing files and so on...
[11:46] <apokryphos> kkathman: I love it. One of my favourite apps of all time.
[11:46] <pxro> how to change yaboots defaults ?
[11:46] <borgista> yeah...i'm going to migrate to epiphany in the mean time
[11:46] <kkathman> shoda I believe you can
[11:46] <borgista> until Firefox gets fixed
[11:46] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Yup, exactly.
[11:46] <kkathman> Im sure I had to do that
[11:46] <Fl-i-nT> smouche, loads of peeps using windows i know in my school have fire fox
[11:46] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It's also worth just skim reading the beggining of the rute manual; it tells you some basic Linux stuff.
[11:46] <kkathman> apokryphos - you like Konq better than Opera or Firefox?
[11:47] <Shoda1> kkathman: How?
[11:47] <HillTop> Quinn_Storm, I had some of thosew problems with Warty, I hope Hoary is better. :)
[11:47] <smouche> I love firefox on windows, but this new version 1.1 is acting weird and very slow.
[11:47] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, ok i will take that advice another thing are you anygood with fire fox?
[11:47] <apokryphos> kkathman: I'm not sure whether you use Gnome... but in KDE, I've found Konqueror to be *much* faster than Firefox (both starting up + loading pages).
[11:47] <SysFail> firefox sux
[11:47] <smouche> I'm sure it'll get fixed
[11:47] <kkathman> smouche - check the ubuntu forums...there is something you can do ...some setting that makes Firefox faster
[11:47] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: What's the problem? I don't use it as my default browser.
[11:47] <smouche> thanks kkathman
[11:47] <borgista> i agree with kkathman
[11:48] <borgista> they help
[11:48] <_phate_> how do I get a serial mouse to work with Hoary?
[11:48] <apokryphos> Firefox tweaking: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[11:48] <kkathman> apokryphos - I havent gotten KDE up...Im using Gnome at the moment...some benchmarks I read said Opera was fastest in Gnome, but Konq was better in KDE
[11:48] <smouche> I'll do that; I do love konqueror; especially as a file browser too; love having tabs to browse folders
[11:48] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i jsut have this thing that whenever i use it it has soem red text at the bottom saying ^ class="t
[11:49] <black_Nightmare> phate....that would be different I believe..need different driver (or kernel whatever is proper?? lol) to run it
[11:49] <codyman> anyone here use amarok
[11:49] <apokryphos> codyman: right here
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> amarok?
[11:49] <borgista> not i, says borgista
[11:49] <black_Nightmare> the only reason usb mouse can work is since onboard usb usually have a overlay that let bios see it as a ps/2
[11:49] <borgista> amaroK is the player in KDE
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[11:49] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Sounds quite dodgy. Have you reported it? Firefox is in MAIN...
[11:49] <kkathman> I like KDE but this box Im on is VERY limited so Gnome is about as good as I get right now :)
[11:49] <codyman> apokryphos: what package enables mp3 playback?
[11:50] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, I'm not talking about a USB mouse I have a serial mouse as in COM1
[11:50] <apokryphos> codyman: it should all come with amaroK. But if it doesn't, get the gstreamer0.8-mad package
[11:50] <black_Nightmare> phate...I was just saying 'the only reason' anyhow
[11:50] <smouche> ...weird, weird.  My touch pad wasn't working under gnome; installed kde, now it works under both gnome and kde...
[11:50] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, thats okay
[11:50] <black_Nightmare> no problem
[11:50] <apokryphos> borgista: it's not the default KDE player, just for the record. Recommended one in Kubuntu though.
[11:50] <kkathman> I had KDE up when I had Libranet up
[11:50] <codyman> apokryphos: i have the -mad package.. but when I import my mp3's they don't show up in the window..
[11:51] <borgista> but i meant it's the best player in KDE
[11:51] <apokryphos> borgista: I agree
[11:51] <black_Nightmare> phate..just asking but..are you on AT board or just an ATX board but with a serial mouse?
[11:51] <apokryphos> codyman: did you get it from the repositories?
[11:51] <codyman> yes
[11:52] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, my board is freakish, it can be both AT and ATX but it only has one PS/2 port and no USB so I have to use a serial mouse.
[11:52] <codyman> aha! fixed it
[11:52] <apokryphos> codyman: cool. What did you do?
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> phate...sounds like very rare 'crossover' board (as in trying to convert over to ATX)
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> phate..so I take it the one ps/2 port is already for keyboard - right?
[11:52] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, it was a one point a SBC pII server
[11:52] <codyman> dragged the music folder into the playlist window instead of adding it via amaroks file add deal
[11:52] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, yep
[11:53] <codyman> apokryphos: o great it broke again
[11:53] <black_Nightmare> phate...hmmm I see where your problem is now....
[11:53] <codyman> now it says there's no engines although there were some a minute ago
[11:53] <phxguy> does anybody know if the ubunto repositories are having nework problems this afternoon? Specifically http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security
[11:53] <apokryphos> codyman: erm, amaroK's "add" thing will put it into the collection, not the playlist...
[11:53] <black_Nightmare> phate...I would say...a generic 2-button and 3-button serial mouse driver needs to be written and uploaded to the ubuntu software page
[11:54] <Xappe> goodnight ppl
[11:54] <codyman> thats what i meant.. i wanted to add to the collection but it wasn't doing it corrrectly
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> ....or can someone correct me wrong and say there is already something like this?
[11:54] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, is in main what/
[11:54] <codyman> but now i can't see any engines and now apt is in a tizzy and won't search so i am just going to reboot and hopefully everything will somehow work
[11:54] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, it should be built into Xorg
[11:54] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: did you get bittorrent working?
[11:54] <borgista> apt-get isn't working for anyone
[11:54] <borgista> at least not for me
[11:54] <borgista> apt-get update gets errors
[11:54] <ubuntu> ahhhh!!!
[11:54] <apokryphos> codyman: have you tried pressing "Update" and re-dragging in?
[11:54] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, urm no i cant find it and when i try to run it i couldnt
[11:54] <borgista> something about the GPGs
[11:54] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, where is it?
[11:54] <ubuntu> slept i need more help
[11:55] <codyman> apokryphos: yeah, its working now
[11:55] <setite2> or anyone
[11:55] <codyman> my comp is being weird today
[11:55] <maxchee> well, do you know how to open Synaptic?
[11:55] <jazzka> hi!
[11:55] <setite2> how do i view my linux partition from the livecd
[11:55] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, yeha
[11:55] <maxchee> on the administrator menu
[11:55] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Because it's in Main (repository), it's officially supported by Ubuntu. So, you can file a bug... though, have you tried reinstalling?
[11:55] <smouche> hmm, apokryphos , the page you linked to above on ubuntuforums mentions installing RealPlayer to /usr/local.
[11:55] <apokryphos> codyman: heh
[11:55] <maxchee> just search for bittorrent
[11:55] <apokryphos> smouche: the firefox tweaking one? Nope...
[11:55] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, nope i didnt know you could do that ill try
[11:55] <smouche> but www.ubuntuguide.org says to install to my folder
[11:55] <jazzka> I would like to write a text in color, using a bash script, can echo do that?
[11:55] <Jesterace> ugh stuck in windows for dvd authoring I miss ubuntu :(
[11:56] <_phate_> setite2, mount /mnt/whatever /dev/hda1
[11:56] <phxguy> I think the ubuntu repository servers are having problem =(
[11:56] <apokryphos> smouche: here it is again: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[11:56] <calamari_> hi
[11:56] <maxchee> Jesterace: which tool are you using?
[11:56] <slept> setie2 : you have to mount it ,
[11:56] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: yup. Just reinstall from synaptic.
[11:56] <setite2> ok
[11:56] <setite2> hmmm... to the wiki i go
[11:56] <smouche> sorry, apokryphos , I know, I'm changing th e subject
[11:56] <smouche> but I;m taling about the same page
[11:57] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, what shall i do?
[11:57] <calamari_> when I cd to a symlink then do "cd ..", or "ls ..", etc.. it goes to the parent dir of the symlink rather than the previous dir I was in.  Is there a way to fix this?
[11:57] <black_Nightmare> phate..hm I dunno what else to say about the serial mouse....good luck anyhow
[11:57] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, how many linux distro's you been involved with
[11:57] <smouche> just wondering if Realplayer should go in /usr/local or in home/realplayer
[11:57] <maxchee> Jesterace: Just search for the name bittorrent?
[11:57] <apokryphos> smouche: Oh, that doesn't really matter. You'd install it to /usr/local if you wanted to eventually allow other users on the comp to access too.
[11:57] <slept> setie2:The live cd won't make things easier
[11:57] <borgista> realplayer? is that even worth using?
[11:57] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: 3 properly; 2 have been a passer-by.
[11:57] <setite2> why not
[11:57] <slept> setie2: did you try to remove an reinstall the xserver ?
[11:57] <setite2> i cant edit
[11:57] <setite2> i did the ep
[11:57] <setite2> -P
[11:57] <smouche> ah hah... thanks apokryphos -- borgista, if you want to listen to radio streams that require it
[11:57] <setite2> and got errors
[11:58] <Jesterace> maxchee i'm playing with a freeware divx to Dvd converter
[11:58] <setite2> something abotu dependencies
[11:58] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, which ones?
[11:58] <smouche> if helix works as well, whatever.
[11:58] <borgista> ah...but i just get the codecs ...and using the totem plugin thing...and voil
[11:58] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Properly: Mandrake, Fedora, Ubu. Passer-by: Debian, SuSE.
[11:59] <smouche> hmm, ok borgista, but I'm not sure that works with embedded applets in web pages ... but I'll try
[11:59] <slept> setite2: so you didn't do it ? what did you mess up with xorg ?
[11:59] <borgista> ok
[11:59] <setite2> i tried to add my resolution
[11:59] <slept> setie2 : just configuration or more ?
[11:59] <setite2> i created a section called "Modes"
[11:59] <smouche> damn web sites have these freaking customized players, annoying
[11:59] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i tryed mandrake latest 10.1 but its was really going wrong on me and people told me ubuntu and gentoo was brill so i picked ubuntu
[11:59] <setite2> and i added a resolution to the subsections
[12:00] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, I ran mdetect and found out its using the logitech serial protocal for hoary, in warty it was the MS protocal it was using