[09:13] <Tumie> boredandblogging: are you Nick Ali ?
[11:43] <Tumie> when Issue115 is published ?
[11:43] <Tumie> (ubuntuweeklynewsletter)
[11:43] <Tumie> It must come today, but it is still Work In Progress
[11:54] <tyche> Tumie: Yes, sometime today.  Usually released in the afternoon (AZ time, that is)
[12:00] <Tumie> tyche
[12:00] <Tumie> thanks
[12:00] <Tumie> then it is tomorrow here :p
[12:02] <tyche> Honest, we're working on it.  But some of it we don't do until the last minute, to get the latest results.  Statistics and upcoming meetings, for instance, which is what I'm working on now.
[12:03] <Tumie> ok, thanks, then i will tomorrow starting to translate it :)
[12:04] <Tumie> (it is now sunday in almost the whole world)
[12:05] <tyche> Great!  Glad to see someone so eager to translate it.   :-)  I don't often get to talk with someone who's on that end of it.  It's nice to see that there are people who find it worthwhile.
[12:06] <Tumie> i'm just started, issue115 will be my first.. (uwn-nl)
[12:06] <Tumie> i saw that uwn is there in a lot of languages, but not in dutch, so i started the project..
[12:08] <Tumie> there's only one small problem: i've gone to another school.. so don't have any friends,, so i spend all my free time on Ubuntu..
[12:09] <tyche> Yep.  Well, I started working on the UWN about  a year ago,  I remember being nervous that I'd make a mistake in something.  But it was a way for me to have something to do, now that I'm retired.  And even though it was a lot of work in a short period of time, it was still fun.
[12:09] <tyche> And we're no good at translating, ourselves, but we'll help in whatever way we can.
[12:10] <Tumie> i understand,, in america the only language you have to learn is english
[12:10] <Tumie> here we have: english, dutch, deutch, french
[12:11] <Tumie> i've already lost french (luckily),, next year i will get lost of deutch, then i only have dutch & english,,, :)
[12:12] <tyche> Yes, "have to" is a big part of it.  Another part is the fact that the schools just don't want to pay for more than they "have to".  So languages are low on the list.  I was caught in that trap, when I was growing up, and was never very good at languages because of it.
[12:13] <Tumie> i've one question, how do I get the dutch translate stats?
[12:13] <tyche>  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[12:13] <tyche> brb
[12:13] <Tumie> ok, i will take a look
[12:16] <Tumie> i don't know what the untranslated were last week, do you have that??
[12:19] <tyche> Nope.  Not for Dutch.  Actually, we have usually left "over last week" blank when we didn't know for sure (since we just do the top 5 for the UWN).  So, if you're starting now, it would be reasonable to just leave it for this week, and do it next week.
[12:20] <Tumie> Ok, thank you :)
[12:20] <tyche> I usually do everything in a text file, and dump it in after I complete each section.  But you'll find you own way, I'm sure.
[12:20] <Tumie> Put it in the Issue, then next week, watch the last issue
[12:21] <Tumie> the whole issue's in text files: 115.txt , 116.txt , etc.
[12:21] <tyche> Sounds good to me.  You don't have the hassle of 3 to 5 people all trying to work on it at the same time.  Hee hee
[12:22] <Tumie> it's only me at work :) so, importent things to translate first, then simple, small things, then watch if i have time for large pieces
[12:22] <tyche> Yea,  That's pretty much what I did, except I never had the whole issue, just the areas I was assigned.  I DID have a template to work from that had the whole issue.  It's just I never filled it all in.
[12:22] <tyche> Sounds like a good plan
[12:22] <Tumie> i will just copy the english issue, then translate as much as possible, then delete the not translated things :)
[12:23] <Tumie> i hope i can translate the whole issue,,
[12:23] <tyche> Yep.  And over time, as your abilities increase and you get into a pattern of how to do it, you'll find more time to do even more.
[12:24] <Rafik> hello
[12:24] <tyche> Morning, Rafik
[12:25] <Tumie> time is not a problemm, i've over 4 hours a day to work on it,
[12:25] <Rafik> tyche, is there any news from the tunisian loco ?
[12:25] <Tumie> morning XD,, it is 13:25 here :P
[12:26] <Rafik> tyche, announced in the last UWN, the sfd was a great success for the Tunisian LoCo
[12:26] <Rafik> I blogged about it (but in french )http://rafiiik.blogspot.com/2008/11/rsultat-de-la-journe-du-logiciel-libre.html
[12:27] <tyche> Not that I recall seeing.  But one of the other guys may have seen something.  Sorry, I don't know French, so I wouldn't be able to do anything with it.
[12:28] <Rafik> tyche, can I try to write something in english ?
[12:31] <tyche> If you could write it as a blog, or with some sort of location that we could reference (link to), that would be great.  If you meant "write directly into the UWN", it would have to be approved by one of the chief editors (and then refer to the blog that's in french).  I'm not an expert on this.  I'm just an associate editor (gopher).
[12:37] <Rafik> tyche, here are the infos : SFD in Tunisia organized on october 29 (delayed because of Ramadan in this Muslim country). The Tunisian Team was there with a stand of about 10 PC + 2 sun servers + 5 sunrays. There was a conference "Ubuntu: the spirit, the OS and the community". Distribution of about 400 CDs + talks + workshops + install party
[12:39] <tyche> Rafik: Sounds like you had quite a party.
[12:40] <Rafik> yes
[12:40] <tyche> Now to show my stupidity:  What's a Sunray?
[12:41] <tyche> Obviously, made by SUN, but I'm a long way from when I worked on a SUN machine, and I haven't kept up.
[12:43] <Rafik> it's a little client we used to demonstrate vitalization on ubuntu server, i don't know how to describe it in english ^^
[12:43] <tyche> OH!  Ok, I think I get the picture.
[12:45] <tyche> Rafik: Can I ask you to translate the title of your article, please?
[12:46] <Rafik> mmhh.. it's like : results of the software freedom day
[12:47] <Rafik> tyche, please use the title you think it match more the content
[12:48] <tyche> OK, I see what I was trying to do with my ham-fisted very poor translating abilities.  I saw "journe" and immediately thought journal.  I didn't put it together with the rest.  Yes, your title looks good.
[12:49] <tyche> I'll pencil it in, and see what "the boss" thinks. (I can't pass on it myself).
[12:49] <Rafik> tyche, may be you can write a little paragraph using the infos i gave
[12:49] <tyche> BTW, NICE button for Ubuntu 810.  Looks very good.
[12:50] <Rafik> thanks ^^ it's the offical countdown badge
[12:51] <Rafik> tyche, the sun rays : http://picasaweb.google.com/mohkarb/SFDTunisia2008#5263405976702077506
[12:52] <tyche> Nice!  Sun sure has changed since I worked on one.  I had a Sparc Workstation 1+, which will give you an idea of how long ago I worked on one.
[12:53] <Rafik> i'm not an expert however :)
[12:54] <tyche> That, in a sense, is what got me interested in Linux.  I was looking around for something "UNIX" that was free.  Stumbled onto Linux, and was hooked.  Since 2004, I don't do Windows.  Hee hee
[12:56] <Rafik> :)
[12:57] <Tumie> tyche: when translation stats of intrepid will come in the issue ?
[12:58] <tyche> They're in now.  Sorry, I gave you the wrong link.  I hadn't updated my template (naughty me).  Intrepid is at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/
[13:03] <Tumie> oke :)
[13:03] <Rafik> tyche, i don't know if this info should be in the article but.. we convinced a person from the Fedora team to switch to Ubuntu :D :D  she went to the fedora stand to bring her laptop to ours. the install party stated with her :D
[13:03] <Rafik> s/stated/started
[13:05] <tyche> That's great information, as in being funny and interesting, but we really don't bash other distributions in any way, and it might look like that if we put it in.
[13:05] <Rafik> yep, it was just an info for you, for fun :)
[13:07] <tyche> And it is fun.  I can see it in the spirit with which it was meant.  We've worked with the local LUGS in AZ, and people do a lot of switching around, and there's always a bunch of kidding about it.
[13:07] <Rafik> yes!
[13:08] <tyche> In fact, we put on a conference in conjunction with a bunch of the LUGS.  For a first time out, it went pretty well.
[13:08] <tyche> And we had a lot of fun.
[13:12] <Rafik> i'm exchanging some emails with on of the fedora ambassadors in tunisia, often, it's very funny.. like this one : http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/10/fedora-weekly-webcomic-distro-names.html but sometime it isn't like with the "Kroah-Hartman" case
[13:13] <tyche> ROFLMAOPMP
[13:13] <tyche> That's great.
[13:16] <tyche> Tumie: Your lock on the UWN #115 timed out 82 minutes ago.  Just to let you know, I'm in, putting up the stats.
[13:17] <Tumie> tyche: i didn't edit anything :)
[13:17] <Tumie> just copy'ing the whole thing,
[13:18] <tyche> Well, it had your nick on it.  It may be that it didn't realize that you canceled out.  The wiki is funny sometimes.
[13:18] <Tumie> i was already away of the page in 1 minute
[13:19] <Tumie> maybe next time press the "cancell" button,, so the wiki knows that i'm away
[13:20] <tyche> Yep.  That can happen.  Just wanted to let you know, so we wouldn't conflict.
[13:20] <tyche> One of the reasons I'm up at 5:00 on a Sunday Morning doing this, is because John and Nick used to conflict with me all the time.  Hee hee
[13:21] <Tumie> tyche: for me it's easy, it is now 14:21 here :P
[13:21] <tyche> Yep.  I'm just lazy, that all.  LOL
[13:22] <tyche> And there is this second cup of coffee with my name on it, just waiting for me.  BBIAB
[13:22] <Tumie> just 8 minutes, then i need to work a bit, i don't know what it is in english.. i bring newspapers to people..
[13:27] <Tumie> i'm going, i'm back in an hour..
[14:46] <Tumie> tyche: i'm back
[14:46] <Tumie> contributors << are that the people who added bugs?
[14:46] <tyche> Yep.  So am I.  And I've got the "Upcoming Meetings" done, too.
[14:47] <tyche> Link?
[14:47] <Tumie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115#5-a-day%20bug%20stats
[14:48] <Tumie> contributors < are people who reported the bugs??
[14:48] <tyche> Nope.  They're the ones that worked on the 5-a-day project.  I'm not sure exactly what the 5-a-day does, but I believe it triages and solves bugs (or marks them as having  been solved or no longer applicable)
[14:49] <tyche> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day for further information
[14:49] <Tumie> ok, thanks
[14:50] <tyche> NP
[14:51] <Tumie> when the UWN is totally completed?
[14:51] <Tumie> it is here now 15:51..
[14:52] <tyche> Usually around 3:00 or 4:00 MST (10:00 or 11:00 UTC)
[14:52] <Tumie> so that's tomorrow?
[14:52] <tyche> Yep.  It would be for you.  sorry.
[14:53] <Tumie> doesn't matter,
[14:53] <Tumie> i've tuesday a lot of time..
[14:53] <Tumie> monday a bit less.. but still al lot :p
[14:53] <tyche> We do the best we can, Both you and us.  Hee hee
[14:54] <Tumie> i know :P
[14:54] <Tumie> i'm just exiting,, my first issue (H)
[14:55] <tyche> Hang in there.  It gets easier with time.  I know.  I haven't done Stats and Meetings in months.  But I fell right back into it with ease, when one of our people said he couldn't make it today.
[14:56] <tyche> Inside the UWN, we all try to cover for eachother.  Last week was my turn to play hooky.    That's a heck of a way to think of it.  True, maybe, considering some of the terror induced by realizing that something isn't covered.  But still a heck of a way to phrase it.  LOL
[15:04] <Tumie> i saw a picture on the internet, a homeless with a sign: "I'm like obama, i want CHANGE" (nothing to do with the subject now, but just wanted to tell it :P )
[15:05] <tyche> Yea, I've seen political cartoons (I think they're called "editorial" cartoons, now) like that.
[15:08] <Tumie> it wasn't a cartoon, it was a photo... :p
[15:09] <tyche> I don't doubt it.  I was just saying that I've seen the idea before.  It could be that the cartoonists had also seen that cartoon, and were so inclined, politically.
[15:10] <Tumie> do you know "Phun"?
[15:10] <tyche> Not right off hand.
[15:10] <Tumie> it is a 2D physics simulator
[15:11] <tyche> OH!  Yes, I have seen it.  I haven't managed to get it to run on my machine.  Partly, I think, because I'm running a 64  bit system.
[15:11] <tyche> When I set up my playground partition with Intrepid, I may look into it again.
[15:12] <Tumie> http://www.getdeb.net/release/3123
[15:12] <Tumie> this is the Hardy 64bits version
[15:12] <Tumie> but i've the hardy 32bits version, and it works on intrepid
[15:13] <tyche> Yep.  It's been a while since I looked at it, and that's why I'd forgotten the name.  I'll have to look into it.  But right now I'm in transition between the two releases, getting ready for an install fest we're having in about 2 weeks.
[15:14] <boredandblogging> hello
[15:15] <Tumie> Hi,
[15:15] <Tumie> are you Nick Ali?
[15:15] <boredandblogging> Tumie: hello, yes
[15:15] <Tumie> hi, i'm Tumie of UWN-NL,
[15:15] <Tumie> but i need to go now, back in a quarter..
[15:16] <boredandblogging> cool, ok
[15:16] <tyche> boredandblogging: He's doing translations of the UWN into Dutch.
[15:17] <boredandblogging> yeah, he sent me an email, sounds excellent
[15:31] <Tumie> i'm back
[15:32] <Tumie> boredandblogging: so, i'm Tumie of UWN-NL,, you're Nick Ali??
[15:32] <boredandblogging> Tumie: yes
[15:33] <boredandblogging> Tumie: from your email, you seem to be preparaed
[15:33] <boredandblogging> do you need any help with anything?
[15:33] <Tumie> not yet,,
[15:33] <Tumie> if i have questions, i will ask it here
[15:33] <Tumie> tyche helped me already with some questions
[15:34] <boredandblogging> excellent
[15:34] <tyche> Hey, I try.
[15:34] <tyche> Hee hee
[15:35] <Tumie> boredandblogging: i explaned my plan also to tyche :p
[15:35] <boredandblogging> ah, good
[15:41] <Tumie> boredandblogging: i think that the obama ubuntu hoax, fake is, because it looks too much like windows XP..
[15:42] <tyche> Yea, we've heard that.  Even in the comments on his blog there was major question as to the truthfullness of the claim.
[15:46] <Tumie> i can also edit ubuntu a bit, make a picture, and put it on the internet
[15:46] <Tumie> this even looks like an Windows XP theme
[15:50] <Tumie> boredandblogging: i'm now watching ubuntu podcast #10, 1 of the hosts is Nick Ali, are you that?
[15:50] <boredandblogging> Tumie: lol, yes
[15:50] <tyche> Hey, boredandblogging. NOW you're famous.
[15:51] <tyche> LOL
[15:51] <tyche> Now Josh will have to move the mic closer to you.  Hee hee
[15:52] <boredandblogging> will have to remember that
[15:52] <tyche> Either that, or I'll have to teach you to speak to the other side of the room.
[15:52] <Tumie> today it is the.... 20th of october :p
[15:53] <Tumie> maybe next time, put the date on the paper :)
[15:54] <boredandblogging> heh
[15:56] <Tumie> boredandblogging: do you live togheter with josh?
[15:58] <tyche> No, they're just members of the same team, -us-ga
[15:58] <tyche> Please, don't suggest that Josh is boredandblogging's wife.  That would be too depressing.  Hee hee
[15:59] <Tumie> just asking, and if it would.. then it isn't a problem :P
[16:00] <Tumie> BRB, dinnertime here :p
[17:00] <Tumie> dinnertime is over..
[17:09] <johnc4510-laptop> burp...
[17:26] <Tumie> XD
[17:27] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: are you john crawford ?
[17:27] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: yep
[17:28] <johnc4510-laptop> am i in trouble hee hee
[17:28] <Tumie> ok :)
[17:28] <Tumie> yea, you are in trouble (6)
[17:28] <Tumie> no, just kidding, i'm Tumie of UWN-NL (newbie :P )
[17:28] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop: He's doing the Dutch translation.
[17:29] <Tumie> issue115 will be my first one :)
[17:29] <johnc4510-laptop> oh cool
[17:29] <johnc4510-laptop> be sure to link to the translation page please
[17:30] <johnc4510-laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Translations
[17:30] <Tumie> you mean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115/NL
[17:30] <Tumie> and current translations
[17:31] <tyche> Yea, put your link on the page that johnc4510-laptop referenced.
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: add that link to our translation page please
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> so anyone can find it from the current UWN issue
[17:31] <Tumie> i will do that, when i have a first translation
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> sure
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> and thanks for your work!!
[17:32] <Tumie> i just have enough time, and i love ubuntu :)
[17:32] <johnc4510-laptop> great
[17:32] <Tumie> and i love the darkroom theme!!
[17:33] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[17:33] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[17:33] <Tumie> (and avant-window-navigator
[17:34] <Tumie> that's also great to use
[17:36] <Tumie> o, maybe something for issue115, the JauntyReleaseSchedule is their :D
[17:36] <Tumie> jaunty will come on 23th april
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> ah, 7 days before my next birthday
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> nice present
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[17:37] <Tumie> if you were lucky, it was the 30th april :P
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: you have a link to the jaunty release schedule?
[17:37] <Tumie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> thx
[17:37] <Tumie> here it is :)
[17:38] <Tumie> i already knowed the link for a month, every day checked if it was their :p
[17:38] <Tumie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope here i found the link a month ago :)
[17:39] <Tumie> http://www.ubuntublog.nl/?p=53 << here you can find the simple things, (alpha's, beta's, RC, etc.
[17:40] <Tumie> the link is in dutch, but english and dutch look like eachother
[17:44] <Tumie> i'm going to play urbanterror,
[17:44] <Tumie> BRB
[18:00] <LirazSiri> hey guys, I asked Nick Ali about joining the UWN team and he told me to drop by...
[18:01] <tyche> Hi, LirazSiri.  Welcome aboard.
[18:01] <LirazSiri> so how exactly does one join the team and contribute?
[18:01] <boredandblogging> LirazSiri: hello, tyche will help you out, I have to run
[18:01] <johnc4510> hi all
[18:02] <LirazSiri> boredandblogging: no problem, bye Nick
[18:02] <tyche> Give me a second.  I'm just saving out some additions.
[18:04] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: thx for dropping by, you are the one i emailed today about TurnKey
[18:04] <johnc4510> ?
[18:04] <tyche> OK, the fast and dirty answer is that we kinda throw you to the wolves.  Oh, no. That's not quite right.  Basically, johnc4510 and boredandblogging will set you up with an area to be responsible for.  We'll give you some training, be available for questions, and criticise (constructively and non confrontationally) what you've done
[18:04] <LirazSiri> yes, hi john
[18:04] <johnc4510> lol great
[18:05] <LirazSiri> tyche: thanks tyche that sounds great, let me give you some background
[18:06] <LirazSiri> first, I'm looking to understand a bit more about the various ways one can contribute. For example, if I come across a bit of interesting news, how would I share it with the team...
[18:07] <tyche> Well, first, this is who I am:  https://launchpad.net/~tyche
[18:07] <LirazSiri> my background is that I do Ubuntu-related development at work and I'm also a developer for an opensource project called TurnKey Linux
[18:07] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: be sure to join our launchpad team too: https://launchpad.net/~uwn
[18:08] <johnc4510> ok, lunch time bb shortly
[18:08] <LirazSiri> ok, I just did
[18:08] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: tyche can get you started and we'll work on what you can do for next wk later
[18:08] <johnc4510> :)
[18:09] <LirazSiri> thanks john
[18:09] <tyche> Second, the easiest way to get something put in is to send it to the mailing list.  I don't have the link right off hand.  If it's something you've spotted and think should be included, then ask one of us in here.
[18:09] <LirazSiri> tyche: thats ok, I'm familiar with the news-team list. You guys have been a great resource for getting the word out on TurnKey Linux
[18:09] <LirazSiri> here's the home page: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[18:10] <LirazSiri> I should probably expand my Launchpad profile to be a bit more descriptive
[18:10] <tyche> For today, what we'd like you to do is to proofread the current (to be released) UWN
[18:10] <LirazSiri> can do
[18:10] <tyche> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115
[18:10] <tyche> (GAD!  I've got a bunch of windows and tabs open.)
[18:10] <LirazSiri> me too, I'm reading the UWN release right now
[18:11] <tyche> I do most of my work outside, in a text editor, then dump it all in the UWN by sections, so that I don't hold up other people.
[18:11] <tyche> That was one of the windows I had open.
[18:12] <tyche> Then, of course, there's chat, FF, TB, and a book I'm reading (pdf format).  Plus all the tabs I had open while working on the UWN
[18:13] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: just approved you for the launchpad team
[18:13] <LirazSiri> thanks john
[18:14] <tyche> LirazSiri: Another location, that's slightly less formal (off the wall is what it is) is the channel ##johnc4510.  johnc4510 said you could join us there, too.
[18:18] <LirazSiri> I'm proofreading UWN - what do I do when I find something to fix? can I just edit the wiki myself?
[18:19] <tyche> Yes, you can.  And if you need information on how, just ask.
[18:20] <tyche> Most of it should be pretty straight-forward, though.
[18:20] <tyche> Changing spellings and such shouldn't be a problem at all.
[18:20] <LirazSiri> ok, I'll do that
[18:21] <LirazSiri> yeah, I found a couple of minor mistakes so far.
[18:22] <tyche> One thing you might do is to figure what they are and where they are (in bunches) and go in and correct a bunch all at one time.
[18:23] <tyche> The "editing time" is somewhat limited, and you could time out, otherwise.  Also, during ACTIVE times (right now, it isn't as active) it can cause conflicts.  Watch up at the top that you aren't conflicting with someone else.
[18:23] <LirazSiri> right, thanks for the warning
[18:28] <Tumie> hi :D
[18:29] <tyche> WB, Tumie
[18:29] <Tumie> get used too it, i will be here almost every day :p
[18:30] <tyche> That's fine by me.  I'm almost always in here, too.
[18:30] <Tumie> :p
[18:30] <Tumie> this is the only english channel were i'm in..
[18:31] <tyche> Nothing wrong with that.  And your English is GOOD!
[18:33] <Tumie> thanks :)
[18:33] <Tumie> i still think my english is bad :p
[18:34] <Tumie> i still have mistakes, but i learn english at school, and i'm good at it :)
[18:35] <tyche> Trust me, Tumie.  I've chatted with people from all over the world, and some of them have a real problem with it.  Not that I couldn't understand, most of the time.  But sometimes it was a chore.  Yours is good.
[18:35] <Tumie> Oke :) but, what means "a chore" ?
[18:35] <tyche> We've had people in the -us-az channel from France, Siberia, Serbia, and the like.
[18:36] <tyche> In this context, "a chore" would mean "a job" or "a difficult task that has to be done"
[18:36] <tyche> And yes, questions like that are welcome.
[18:36] <tyche> At least by me.
[18:37] <Tumie> for french people, english is more diffecult, because french doesn't look like english, dutch and english really look like eachother
[18:37] <Tumie> als ik nederlands praat, snap je dat dan?
[18:38] <Tumie> if i dutch talk, understand you that then? (dutch -> english word by word is bad :P )
[18:38] <tyche> "as in netherlands speach, . . ." and that's where I lost it.
[18:38] <tyche> But you're right.  A lot of it is understandable.
[18:38] <Tumie> ik = I
[18:39] <Tumie> i've learned english by watching movies,,
[18:39] <Tumie> here almost all the movies are with subtitles
[18:40] <tyche> Dutch and German appear to have a common influence or background.
[18:40] <Tumie> german sucks, english is not difficult, dutch is more diffecult, german is mooooorrree diffecult :)
[18:41] <tyche> True.  But many German words have been incorporated into English.  Same with Latin/Spanish (Spanish might be considered gutter Latin) and Itallian.
[18:42] <tyche> Even some French words have.  But I failed French in high school, and only had one year of Spanish in college.
[18:42] <Tumie> I failed french too, this year i'm going to fail german, then i only have english and dutch :D
[18:43] <tyche> Most of the Latin and German I got from being in choirs, both church and school.  My father was a music teacher.
[18:43] <Tumie> i'm bad at music :p
[18:44] <Tumie> it is cool, but i'm bad at it
[18:44] <tyche> Well, I'm the black sheep of the family.  I'm the one that can't sight-read music and play it perfectly the first time through.  But I can sight-sing without too much trouble.
[18:46] <Tumie> i had problems with ,, how do i call that, in dutch it is called "ritme"..
[18:47] <Tumie> in english it is rhythm
[18:48] <LirazSiri> ok I just finished proofreading UWN Issue #115. I found some minor mistakes and corrected them in the wiki
[18:48] <tyche> Yep.  Just looked it up, and thought that's what you meant.  Rhythms can be complex, but with a little training they aren't really difficult.
[18:49] <tyche> LirazSiri: Thanks.  Did you add your name to the credits?
[18:49] <LirazSiri> yes I did
[18:49] <tyche> Good
[18:49] <Tumie> i haven't music lessions anymore..
[18:49] <LirazSiri> do you guys have any statistics on how many people read UWN?
[18:50] <Tumie> i think not..
[18:50] <Tumie> as far as i know, wiki doesn't have statistics
[18:50] <tyche> Nope.  there's no way to log it on the wiki, plus it's mirrored in a number of places.  HOWEVER - - - HEE HEE HEE - - - we DO know that the BOSS reads it.  We keep getting emails from Mark Shuttleworth, every once in a while, about how he enjoys it.
[18:51] <LirazSiri> Tumie: UWN is sent by email to subscribers too. I think its the ubuntu-news ml
[18:51] <Tumie> tyche: why Mark Shuttleworth isn't dutch :P
[18:51] <LirazSiri> Besides, Ubuntu's infrastructure guys know how many people read each page for sure. The squid in front of the wiki keeps logs.
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> over 6000 on the mailing list
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> another 1300 read the forum thread
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> and who knows how many read the wiki
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> so it's an unknown at this point
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: i got you added to the uwn launchpad team
[18:52] <LirazSiri> thanks john, thats very interesting
[18:52] <tyche> Holy Cow!  I didn't know it was THAT big.  Should I be scared now?  Hee hee
[18:53] <johnc4510-laptop> but i'm having problems adding the uwn-nl team
[18:53] <johnc4510-laptop> for some reason
[18:53] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: ok :)
[18:53] <Tumie> :(
[18:53] <tyche> Probably because you don't speak the language.  :-D
[18:53] <Tumie> that's not good :(
[18:53] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: i'm going to join the uwn-nl team and then try to add them as one of the teams i'm on
[18:54] <Tumie> oke :)
[18:54] <Tumie> i will accept you
[18:54] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop: Are you admin on the uwn-nl list?
[18:54] <LirazSiri> I notice the wiki mentions translations but does UWN actually get translated into other languages?
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> nope
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: SOME, and it varies
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> translations come and go as people do
[18:54] <tyche> LirazSiri: yes, the UWN, in one form or another, gets translated.  We'd like to see it in more languages.
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> it's very hard to keep it going
[18:55] <Tumie> i hope i won't be someone like that :p
[18:55] <LirazSiri> it would probably be easier to get volunteers to translate a subset (e.g., "executive summary"). The whole thing is kind of a tall order.
[18:55] <Tumie> john: you're aproved
[18:56] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: ok, i applied to -nl team, please add me so i can try to add the team to uwn team
[18:56] <johnc4510-laptop> please
[18:56] <johnc4510-laptop> thx
[18:56] <LirazSiri> I have to run off soon, but I'm curious - besides proof reading, what other ways are there to contribute?
[18:57] <tyche> Everything you see in the UWN, basically.
[18:58] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop and boredandblogging need to decide who's going to do what, then I can train you on the area(s) that you'll do, and you'll have an opportunity to see how the rest is done.
[18:58] <LirazSiri> so say I come across a relevant piece of news, could I just edit the wiki and add it?
[18:58] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: yep
[18:58] <johnc4510-laptop> and
[18:58] <johnc4510-laptop> we'll be giving you an area of responsibility too
[18:58] <tyche> It would be best to pass the link past johnc4510-laptop and/or boredandblogging first.  But basically yes.
[18:59] <johnc4510-laptop> we start folks off slow and build them up
[18:59] <LirazSiri> that makes sense. most people, myself included, have to balance off their volunteer contributions with work responsibilities,
[18:59] <tyche> I've had them accept ideas of mine.  I've also had them bounce ideas of mine.  They know what the basic plan for the UWN is, so I don't take it personally.
[18:59] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: if you'll ping me here on tuesday or wednesday, i'll get you set up
[19:00] <johnc4510-laptop> or in #johnc4510
[19:00] <johnc4510-laptop> either one
[19:00] <Tumie> you're own channel XD
[19:00] <LirazSiri> that sounds great
[19:00] <LirazSiri> perhaps the "training" is already documented on the wiki as well? maybe we can save a bit of time and get me up to speed faster that way
[19:00] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: yeah
[19:01] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: it's not on the wiki
[19:01] <johnc4510-laptop> not sure why we've never done that
[19:01] <johnc4510-laptop> :(
[19:02] <tyche> Because I've always kept it as a template for a text file, and you saw no need?
[19:02] <LirazSiri> maybe putting the rules and regulations on the wiki would be a good idea. Especially if you already have it written down.
[19:03] <tyche> It was more a case of my notes on how to do things, and formats.
[19:03] <Tumie> were can i see all the upcoming meetings ?
[19:04] <LirazSiri> in a nutshell, my background is pretty technical - I'm a software engineer that also happens to do quite a bit of Debian/Ubuntu related systems development at work. My language skills are also pretty decent (in English).
[19:04] <tyche> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event except that it doesn't show recurring events.  So I've got them in a Google calendar, and pass them across (which I need to get at this week)
[19:04] <LirazSiri> I wouldn't mind proof-reading UWN on a regular basis before it comes out. I'm a regular reader anyhow.
[19:04] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: that didn't work, i'm going to have to ask someone how to add a subteam to a team in launchpad
[19:05] <Tumie> ok
[19:05] <LirazSiri> does UWN come out at a regular time?
[19:06] <LirazSiri> is there a "deadline" for proof reading work?
[19:06] <LirazSiri> (for example)
[19:06] <Tumie> UWN comes every sunday, as you see, their isn't an deadline :p
[19:07] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: we publish on Sunday when we finish
[19:07] <LirazSiri> right, when we have a bit more time we'll talk a bit more about this. I have to run off now. thanks everyone!
[19:08] <johnc4510-laptop> later
[19:08] <tyche> Thanks, LirazSiri.  See you later.
[19:09] <LirazSiri> cheers everyone
[19:12]  * Tumie cheers?
[19:13] <johnc4510-laptop> as in "have a good day"
[19:14] <Tumie> i know, but i needed to test something XD
[19:15] <Tumie> test
[19:17] <johnc4510-laptop> ah
[19:19] <tyche> I see you found the /me command in IRC.  Hee hee
[19:25] <Tumie> that wasn't the test ...
[19:25] <Tumie> the /me command is simple :p
[19:25]  * azteech command - no info on it in help .... lol
[19:27] <tyche> SURE there is.  just type /help command, and look in the server tab.
[19:28] <azteech> did that tyche ... says there is no help for that command, at least to me it does ...
[19:28] <azteech> (12:21:02 PM) ChanServ: (notice) No help available for /me.
[19:29] <tyche> Now THAT'S funny.
[19:29] <tyche> Especially with YOU saying it.  Hee hee
[19:31] <johnc4510-laptop> you have to give it a peramater
[19:31] <johnc4510-laptop> like /help chanserv
[19:32] <tyche> Yes, but just "/help command" gives you a list of commands.
[19:32] <johnc4510-laptop> ah yes
[19:32] <tyche> and /me is not one of them.
[19:35] <tyche> But I especially like azteech saying  there was "No help available for /me."
[19:36] <azteech> Tyche - Only because i follow in your stead ... HEE HEE .......
[19:36] <tyche> Actually, you go in STEAD of me.  Hee hee
[19:38] <johnc4510-laptop> bad bad bad!!
[19:38] <azteech> Boooooooooooo
[19:38] <tyche> Good!  Good!  Good!  YAY!!!!!!
[19:38] <azteech> lol
[19:49] <Tumie> omg..
[19:50] <tyche> Tumie: this is nothing.  We're like this in the Team channel, too.  They don't call it the AZ LoCo for nothing.  We really are loco.  Hee hee
[19:50] <Tumie> :P
[19:51] <Tumie> BRB
[19:51] <azteech> yep, we are ... :P
[19:54] <tyche> At least you acknowledge it.  Hee hee
[19:55] <Rafik> hello
[19:56] <azteech> Never denied that we weren't a bit crazy ... lol ..
[19:56] <azteech> Rafik, Afternoon
[19:57] <Rafik> hi azteech :)
[19:57] <Rafik> tyche, is it ok for the topic we talked about ? :)
[19:58] <tyche> What's that Rafik?  You mean the results of the SFD in Tunisia?  It's in.
[19:59] <Rafik> tyche, ok, thanks.  I thought you will format it into a paragraph :)
[19:59] <tyche> I tossed it past boredandblogging, and he approved it.  We simply made a note that the link was to a blog in French.
[20:00] <tyche> And thank you for the the information
[20:00] <Rafik> thank YOU :)
[20:01] <tyche> NP
[20:01] <tyche> That's what we're here for.
[20:02] <tyche> Rafik: I pretty much left it as you worded it.  It was pretty good as it was.
[20:02] <Rafik> tyche, you English better than me after all :)
[20:03] <tyche> Naw, it was good.
[20:03] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop didn't change it, either.
[20:03] <Rafik> Ok, thanks
[20:03] <tyche> bbiab.  Housework.
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> Rafik: i just cleaned it up a little
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> you should look it over
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> please
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> .
[20:05] <Rafik> johnc4510-laptop, nice !
[20:05] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[20:05] <johnc4510-laptop> glad to help
[20:05] <johnc4510-laptop> let us know of any other team related news please
[20:07] <Rafik> i'll be glade to bring news for you guys
[20:07] <johnc4510-laptop> thx
[20:08] <tyche> BTW, johnc4510-laptop, Rafik was saying that the first install they gave was a woman that had gone to the Red Hat booth first.  Then came to them to be their first install.  Hee hee
[20:08] <johnc4510-laptop> nice
[20:09] <Rafik> she was part of the Fedora Team ;-)
[20:09] <tyche> We decided to leave that bit out, as I didn't want people to think we were Red Hat bashing.
[20:13] <johnc4510-laptop> Rafik: really, that's rockin'
[20:13] <Rafik> johnc4510-laptop, yeah !
[20:13] <johnc4510-laptop> right on leaving it out, although we could use it as a teaser
[20:13] <johnc4510-laptop> something like
[20:14] <johnc4510-laptop> "there were even some other linux os teams that made use of the installfest to install Intrepid
[20:14] <johnc4510-laptop> "
[20:15] <Rafik> hehe.. could be nice
[20:15] <tyche> GAD!  johnc4510-laptop.  You're nastier than I am.
[20:15] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:15] <johnc4510-laptop> i'll think about that one for a bit
[20:15] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[20:15] <tyche> And I didn't think that was possible.
[20:15] <tyche> Gotta go shampoo part of a rug.  bbl
[20:17] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[20:39] <tyche> BTW, johnc4510-laptop, did you REALLY mean to name that entry in Launchpad News "LUNCHPAD EPIC"?
[20:39] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:39] <johnc4510-laptop> no
[20:39] <johnc4510-laptop> i'll get it    thx
[20:40] <tyche> Just curious.  I thought maybe it had some significance that I didn't catch from the teaser.
[20:41] <johnc4510-laptop> thx got it
[20:41] <johnc4510-laptop> well, i had just finished lunch
[20:41] <johnc4510-laptop> it was on my mind
[20:42] <tyche> Yes, and on your stomach, too.
[20:42] <tyche> I thought it had to do with the "Cheesy" photographs.  Hee hee
[20:42] <Tumie> back
[20:43] <tyche> I was expecting a photo of them gathered around a table, eating.   LOL
[20:44] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:45] <azteech> we just don't need EPIC upset Stomachs though ... hee hee
[20:46] <tyche> The Martha Stewart of the Launchpad set.  Hee hee
[20:47] <tyche> Or what's his name, the guy with the nasty attitude who has a show on prime time?  Projectile cooking.   The Gormet Chef ... on the cooking channel ...
[20:47] <azteech> lol ...
[20:48] <Tumie> helloooo,, i'm back!!!
[20:48] <azteech> Tumie, wb
[20:48] <tyche> To me, gourmet cooking is being able to boil water without burning it.
[20:48] <Tumie> whoehoew :D
[20:49] <Tumie> omg.. do you really have an cooking channel? :(
[20:49] <Tumie> i want it too!!
[20:50] <azteech> lol .....
[20:50] <tyche> Tumie: No, we're talking about on TV
[20:50] <tyche> And for me, it would have to be VERY basic:  How to turn on a burner without burning myself.
[20:50] <Tumie> do you in america also have an channel with 24/7 police that tryes to catch a thief, (live)
[20:51] <tyche> Nope.  Too many thieves.  Hee hee
[20:51] <azteech> we have somthing similar - but it isn't live
[20:51] <tyche> Some of them in High Places
[20:52] <azteech> hee hee ... yep
[20:54] <Tumie> hmm, a lot of things they here say about america aren't true
[20:55] <tyche> Depends on who's doing the saying.
[20:56] <Tumie> something that's true: america has <IP_ADDRESS>.000 euro debts..
[20:56] <Tumie> that's over 12.000.000 million dollar
[20:57] <Tumie> every they, america mades 3.000 million euro (4.000 million dollar) more debts...
[20:57] <Tumie> *they = day
[20:59] <Tumie> here in europe, all the finances people say that america is falling down...
[21:02] <Tumie> some comments ? :p
[21:02] <azteech> but,we always do bounce back ....
[21:02] <Tumie> not this time,,
[21:02] <Tumie> the financial crisis hurts america the most..
[21:03] <azteech> markets go up and down ... and right now, we are on the down side .... problem with us is, we always want to help the world, instead of looking to home front ....
[21:03] <azteech> all depends on who and what you listen too .....
[21:04] <Tumie> i listen to "Willen Middelkoop", one of the best financial research man in The Netherlands..
[21:05] <Tumie> *Willem Middelkoop
[21:05] <azteech> never heard the name ....
[21:06] <Tumie> because he's only publishing things in Dutch..
[21:07] <azteech> if all the countries of the world, would pay back all the trillions of dollars they have been loaned over the years, we would not be having this problem - instead, we move on, and one day hope that all those monies come rolling back into the coffers of our financial institutes.
[21:08] <Tumie> but a lot of that countries, doesn't need more money,, america needs every day more money
[21:09] <Tumie> america has a problem, if they don't fix it, america won't be the most powerfull country in the world..
[21:10] <azteech> We aren't now .... as much as I hate to say it ...
[21:10] <tyche> Well, nap time.
[21:10] <azteech> and, I am not so sure that ... that isn't a good thing ...
[21:10] <azteech> k tyche ... t/c
[21:11] <azteech> okay, need to go finish some chores .. you all have fun .... see you all tonight ...
[21:12] <Tumie> every small financial crisis, has given more time, to add more money in the system, this causes the lower and lower dollar, but, it is only for more time, now, they did it again, but they discovered, it won't worked..
[21:12] <Tumie> ok, bye
[21:56] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: is the Issue115 ready to publice? because it looks very ready..
[21:56] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: yes, you can go ahead and start translation
[21:56] <johnc4510-laptop> i'm done
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> just need to ask nick a quick ? before publishing
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> good timing, i just finished up
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: btw, this is about the time we finish every week
[21:58] <Tumie> i copy'ed the whole thing now..
[21:58] <Tumie> ok,
[21:58] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[21:58] <Tumie> nice time,, i have still an hour today..
[21:58] <johnc4510-laptop> cool
[21:58] <johnc4510-laptop> good luck
[21:59] <Tumie> ow, i saw the time a bit wrong..
[21:59] <Tumie> i'm an hour too late up... :P
[22:00] <Tumie> needed to go to bed an hour ago :p
[22:00] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[22:00] <johnc4510-laptop> np
[22:00] <johnc4510-laptop> sleep well
[22:00] <Tumie> bye, speak you tomorrow (i think)
[23:01] <johnc4510-laptop> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #115 is out:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115


[00:08] <luca_> hy everybody !
[00:09] <luca_> im' intrested in implementing a file-system changes notification tool
[00:12] <luca_> i am wondering if is possible to get journaling event from my module
[00:13] <luca_> are there particular kernel structures involved with the journaling system ?
[00:17] <BenC> luca_: fs/jfs/ might give some useful info
[00:21] <luca_> thank you BenC
[00:31] <luca_> are there anything under /proc or /sys that will let me know if some change in the filesystem occurs?
[00:32] <mjg59> No
[00:32] <luca_> sorry I got lost in fs/jfs
[00:32] <mjg59> If you're purely interested at the filesystem level, inotify will give you notifications
[00:33] <mjg59> But I suspect it won't work too well if you try to look at the whole filesystem
[00:37] <pwnguin> that would be pretty crazy
[00:38] <pwnguin> and god help you if that notification framework ended up causing writes to the filesystem
[00:40] <mjg59> If you're interested in things at the block level rather than the filesystem level, check block/blk-core.c and search for block_dump. fs-writeback.c has similar code that gives notifications if a page is dirtied.
[00:40] <luca_> Is it possible (kernel or user space) to read directly that table the journaling fill with envents occurred to file?
[00:41] <luca_> read it , and understand what happened?
[00:42] <mjg59> Well, sure
[00:42] <mjg59> But ext3 only journals metadata by defau;t
[00:42] <mjg59> File data changes won't go anywhere near the journal
[00:44] <luca_> mmm.   right
[00:46] <luca_> do you know more or less how does this happens:
[00:47] <luca_> i open a directory with a gui as nautilus
[00:47] <luca_> i create a file from a shell into that directory
[00:48] <luca_> and magically nautilus know that a file was created
[00:48] <luca_> and show the file icon almost immedately
[00:48] <mjg59> It uses inotify
[00:54] <luca_> thanks mjg59
[13:09] <CjNr14> does someone know if there is a way to export a memory area from the host to the guest (Video RAM/ROM for exemple) ?
[13:09] <CjNr14> Do I need to write a driver like the pci frontend/backend one?
[13:10] <CjNr14> sorry, wrong chan lol
[14:21] <rtg__> Ng: talk to me. any e1000 joy?
[14:27] <Ng> rtg__: not as yet, I don't see silbs around atm, but I'll keep my eye open.
[14:27] <rtg__> Ng: k
[14:28] <Ng> I might even keep both eyes open ;)
[14:51] <Nafallo> hehe
[20:52] <munckfish> oh depressing. Recompiling the 2.6.25 kernel is taking 2 hrs 20 mins on my PS3 (weeps).
[20:53] <munckfish> and that's with ccache
[20:56]  * munckfish eyes G5s on Ebay, wonders what wife would think ...
[22:23] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/235889
[22:23] <dupondje> somebody can take a look ? :)
[22:26] <mkrufky> dupondje: Leann asked you to do a bisection test
[22:26] <mkrufky> if you do that test, you'll be able to find the exact changeset that fixes the problem, so that they can think about backporting it to hardy
[22:26] <dupondje> I must say I don't really understand it howto :x
[22:26] <mkrufky> google git-bisect
[22:27] <dupondje> I must compile kernel 100000 times then until I get the right patch ? ...
[22:27] <pwnguin> well
[22:27] <mkrufky> BISECTION TEST
[22:27] <pwnguin> more like binary search
[22:27] <mkrufky> bisection lets you find the fix in ~7 builds
[22:27] <pwnguin> so something like log base 2 of the number of commits
[22:28] <mkrufky> er, wait... i think i pulled that number 7 out of my arse ....
[22:28] <mkrufky> anyway, bisection helps to find the fix in the least # of builds possible
[22:28] <dupondje> any id what part of kernel I should look @ for a possible patch ?
[22:29] <pwnguin> thats what bisect helps with
[22:29] <pwnguin> you'll find the changeset that introduced the bug with bisect, and that'll narrow the places down considerably
[22:30] <mkrufky> im goin home .. .tty all later
[22:31] <pwnguin> dupondje: i agree, i wish building the ubuntu kernel was simpler
[22:31] <dupondje> well pwnguin, It crashes with ubuntu kernels ... but not with the latest kernel.org kernel ...
[22:31] <dupondje> dunno about the older kernel.org versions
[22:32] <dupondje> so maby its just a bug introduced into the ubuntu patches
[22:32] <pwnguin> here's an idea
[22:33] <pwnguin> oh, it still doesnt build
[22:33] <dupondje> indeed :)
[22:33] <dupondje> ogasawara also had that id ;)
[22:33] <pwnguin> if ubuntu's kernel built, there shuold be a fairly small diff
[22:36] <dupondje> and my damn slow CPU :'(
[22:37] <dupondje> AMD Athlon64 3800+ :(
[22:37] <pwnguin> plenty fast
[22:38] <dupondje> not fast enough imo :D
[22:45] <|dupondje|> mmm :x
[23:11] <infinity> rtg__: BTW, I have a working hppa kernel patch for you for inclusion in -20- after 8.04.1 is out the door.
[23:18] <infinity> rtg__: chinstrap:~adconrad/hppa.diff
[23:19] <infinity> rtg__: Obviously, the change to 2-binary-arch.mk is for our own personal use, but the config changes work smashingly, and that's the precise source we're using in the DC right now.


[01:36] <aisrael> I've done something slightly dumb; moved a juju controller/model, on lxd, to a new bridge. The containers have the right ip now, but the juju controller isn't accessible. It looks like the api websocket isn't listening on the new ip.
[07:43] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[08:00] <admcleod> kjackal: hello! do you have a good example for peer relations?
[08:00] <kjackal> hello admcleod, I guess the best would be ZK or spark
[08:01] <admcleod> spark please
[08:01] <kjackal> admcleod: Give me a sec to spot the respective
[08:01] <kjackal> code
[08:01] <admcleod> interface-spark-quorum?
[08:05] <kjackal> admcleod: Here is the interface: https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-spark-quorum/blob/master/peers.py
[08:05] <kjackal> admcleod: Here is the interface: https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-spark-quorum/blob/master/peers.py
[08:05] <admcleod> thanks
[08:06] <kjackal> admcleod: updating peers ends up here: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-spark/blob/master/lib/charms/layer/apache_spark.py
[08:07] <kjackal> admcleod: after going though the reactive part: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-spark/blob/master/reactive/spark.py#L143
[08:07] <admcleod> kjackal: i wonder, why use unit scope and not global for peering?
[08:07] <kjackal> admcleod: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-spark/blob/master/lib/charms/layer/apache_spark.py#L294
[08:07] <kjackal> admcleod: that is a good question!
[08:08] <kjackal> admcleod: not sure I have a good answer
[08:09] <admcleod> or service
[08:33] <admcleod> kjackal: looks like UNIT is what it should be. im trying to do something really simple, just setting a state (conv.set_remote('thing', True) and then trying to read it back (a = conv.get_remote('thing')
[08:34] <admcleod> kjackal: but it keeps returning None and im sure its something simple. got a good example of this?
[08:35] <kjackal> admcleod: you want all nodes to agree on a remote 'thing'?
[08:35] <admcleod> kjackal: yep
[08:36] <kjackal> admcleod: have you consedered using the leadership layer?
[08:36] <admcleod> yes, but this should work no?
[08:37] <kjackal> yes, peers should work as well but I feel you will be coding the same logic that you can find in leadership
[08:37] <admcleod> thats fine
[08:37] <kjackal> admcleod: let me look at the zk layer, It might be easier
[08:39] <admcleod> kjackal: i want the leader to be able to set 'is_leader, True', which all other peers should be able to see - that bit i could do with leadership. but i also want all other peers to set a state, "non-leader ready"
[08:40] <kjackal> admcleod: looking at the zk quorum there is not magic: https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-zookeeper-quorum/blob/master/peers.py#L55
[08:41] <kjackal> admcleod: give me a sec for the non-leader state, I have seen an example
[08:42] <kjackal> admcleod: here is how kubernetes-master figures out if it is the leader: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/cluster/juju/layers/kubernetes-master/reactive/kubernetes_master.py#L145
[08:43] <kjackal> admcleod: and here is what happens if it is not: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/cluster/juju/layers/kubernetes-master/reactive/kubernetes_master.py#L191
[08:44] <kjackal> I think you should have something like "when_not('leadership.is_leader')
[08:44] <kjackal> def nonleader():
[08:44] <kjackal> set_state('non-leader')
[08:44] <kjackal> status_set('active', 'non-leader ready')"
[08:44] <kjackal> admcleod: ^
[08:45] <admcleod> kjackal: right.. yeah... but
[08:45] <admcleod> kjackal: when_not leader, i want to set something.. like "ok im ready".
[08:46] <admcleod> kjackal: then once all the other nodes have set ready, the leader can do action
[08:48] <kjackal> admcleod: I see... this is tricky... how would you know that all your non-leaders are up? What if you have some non-leader pending provision?
[08:48] <admcleod> kjackal: it gets a list of all other nodes (it knows its the leader). it checks if those other nodes had set a state (ready). if it hasnt, it waits
[08:57] <admcleod> kjackal: anyway. i guess the thing here is... for me, set_remote and get_remote dont appear to be working as id expect
[09:00] <kjackal> admcleod: The thing that needed some care when we were doing these interactions was that we would have to use conv.set_state('my_state') to signal the other side that something has changed https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-zookeeper-quorum/blob/master/peers.py#L31
[09:01] <admcleod> ah.
[09:01] <kjackal> admcleod: after that the other end would have to go and do a get_remote('whatever')
[09:02] <kjackal> admcleod: basicaly you should model the message enchange "protocol" using conversation states
[09:02] <admcleod> kjackal: told you it was somethign simple. thanks
[09:02] <kjackal> admcleod: :)
[09:58] <admcleod> kjackal: also, how do you force an update-status now?
[10:04] <admcleod> kjackal: nvm
[11:02] <joedborg> hey all!  is the Joyent cloud still supported?
[11:03] <joedborg> hey all!  is the Joyent cloud still officially supported?
[11:21] <Diabelko> is there anything special I should know about using Juju with MAAS?
[11:22] <Diabelko> used to work just fine up until I removed the model and tried to redeploy the environment
[11:22] <Diabelko> now it doesn't boot the servers and I don't see anything in the logs
[11:48] <joedborg> Diabelko: can you still play with the nodes via MaaS?
[12:37] <kjackal> joedborg: Joyent should be still supported
[13:15] <joedborg> kjackal: seems that apt fails now
[13:25] <kjackal> joedborg: how does it fail? At which point?
[14:57] <admcleod> kjackal: turns out its a problem with the function im calling after i set the state (with set_remote) - it seems as if, since its in 'executing' state, the state i sent hasnt been committed.. and there doesnt seem to be a flush that applies to set_remote
[16:03] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh, petevg, stokachu (and anyone else who feels like reviewing): https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/102 when you have a chance
[17:15] <stormmore> lp|swap, what you swaping today?
[17:45] <mbruzek> stormmore: Yes he is. Is there something I can help you wiht?
[17:58] <stormmore> mbruzek, not at the moment, thanks though :) just wanted to let him know that I think I figured out the last "bug" I came across with regards to seeing old replicasets for heapster
[17:59] <mbruzek> Was there any code change needed? (hint: I am working on our next release)
[18:00] <stormmore> mbruzek, no I think based on what I am seeing elsewhere, it is working as designed.
[18:00] <stormmore> mbarnett, the "problem" (hence the confusion) is that heapster ends up with 3 replicasets but only 1 which has running containers
[18:01] <stormmore> mbruzek, no code needed I think based on what I am seeing elsewhere, it is working as designed.
[18:01] <mbruzek> stormmore: OK glad to read that. If you need anything in the next release please let me know
[18:02] <stormmore> mbruzek, in testing deployments of my own services, it would appear that this is the design so that it makes it easier to roll back
[18:03] <mcapsali1> hi guys
[18:03] <mcapsali1> i have a problem with python-jujuclient and juju ha and maybe you can help me
[18:04] <derekcat> jamespage: Hey, thanks for the reply!  Could you resend that message?  I didn't have chat logging turned on until now >_<  [I got a notification that said, "Actually that's a charm bug that's been...", but I didn't have enough scrollback]
[18:04] <mcapsali1> we run juju 2.0.1 with 3 state machines in ha
[18:05] <mcapsali1> we have a custom python code that uses python-jujuclient to deploy a bundle and then use juju.watcher to monitor the deployment untill it is finished
[18:06] <mcapsali1> the problem is that sometimes after a bundle deployment, jujuclient tries to reconnect to a watcher
[18:06] <mcapsali1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24307892/
[18:06] <mcapsali1> here is a paste of the error
[18:06] <mcapsali1> iḿ not that good with python but as i understand there is no ´connector´ instanciated in jujuclient code when the reconnect occurs
[18:07] <mcapsali1> there is a bug opened in december 2016 with the same problem, it seems this only occurs in a juju ha env
[18:08] <mcapsali1> this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-jujuclient/+bug/1639104 is similar to what we expirience
[18:08] <mup> Bug #1639104: can no longer deploy to model: 'error': 'shared state watcher was stopped' <canonical-bootstack> <canonical-is> <landscape> <python-jujuclient:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639104>
[18:12] <mcapsali1> any suggestion will be greatly appreciated :)
[18:16] <tvansteenburgh> mcapsali1: the best suggestion i can give is to submit a patch for the bug
[18:17] <tvansteenburgh> mcapsali1: or you can try using the new python client
[18:17] <tvansteenburgh> mcapsali1: python-jujuclient isn't gonna get much love going forward
[18:18] <tvansteenburgh> mcapsali1: https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju
[18:19] <cory_fu> mcapsali1: I should note, though, that I think that also has an issue with reconnects (issues #98 and #99)
[18:20] <mcapsali1> iĺl take a look into that
[18:20] <mcapsali1> did not know there was a new python client
[18:20] <mcapsali1> ty everyone
[18:21] <mcapsali1> i will get back if i run into same problem is the new client :)
[18:24] <cory_fu> mcapsali1: It seems like the connector call ought to be picking up https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-deployers/python-jujuclient/trunk/view/head:/jujuclient/juju2/environment.py#L21
[18:24] <tvansteenburgh> cory_fu: it's a Watcher though
[18:24] <tvansteenburgh> i think there are just missing connector properties on the juju1 and juju2 Watcher subclasses
[18:25] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: Hrm.  I figured the Watcher would need to be based off the correct Environment for the correct version of Juju?
[18:25] <cory_fu> I see
[18:25] <cory_fu> So it might be enough to copy that connector method to the Watcher class there?
[18:26] <tvansteenburgh> yeah


[00:11] <tracey> hi everyone, i'm tracey and a very recent convert to ubuntu. am loving all the software available and so am hoping to offer something back, maybe helping with documentation
[00:17] <zkriesse> hey tracey
[17:28] <frank82vt> How can i open a url file internet shortcut from windows in ubuntu?


[00:56] <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping
[08:04] <yeehi1> Using text install in Precise: I have successfully created a single encrypted volume, on which I can now put a file system. But I wanted to shrink this, so that some can be swap and the rest the file system. How do I do this?
[08:04] <yeehi1> If I create 2 encrypted volumes, one for swap and one for the fs, I would have to enter a password twice at bootup.
[08:05] <yeehi1> in Quantum/Raring, we only need to enter a password once, if we use the automated method.
[17:34] <isiah_s_> by default how long do logs last in /var/log/sa?
[17:36] <geirha> /var/log/sa ?
[17:59] <isiah_s_> yeah, its something I found it is associated with the sar command
[18:06] <isiah_s_> looks like 9 days
[18:19] <geirha> you can find the config for the log rotation in /etc/logrotate.d/
[18:22] <geirha> (That is, if this sar thingy uses logrotate to rotate the logs. Some do it other ways)
[18:24] <isiah_s_> I am thinking that I should rig up something like cctv, have a dedicated 500 Gb hd that just has a rotating log saving stuff like this for months
[18:53] <rostam> Hello, where to set system wide proxy setting on 12.04 release? thanks
[18:55] <geirha> you mean set the http_proxy environment variable? /etc/environment
[18:56] <rostam> geirha: yes, do I have to reboot ? thanks
[18:56] <geirha> rostam: no, it's read when you log in
[19:00] <rostam> geirha: after editing the /etc/environment, how could I check if it has take place? I started a new xterm and I did not see it in printenv output? thanks
[19:05] <geirha> you have to log in again
[19:05] <geirha> opening an xterm is not a login
[19:06] <rostam> so for a vnc session I should restart the session again I assume?
[19:34] <geirha> you can test it in a terminal by running   su - "$USER"   but it will only affect that one terminal
[20:29] <MarcoAcheron> Hello all. I've been trying to install Samba on 2 Ubuntu 12.10 machines and ran into trouble. Anybody familiar with samba?


[03:01] <KurtKraut> Is it possible to use Ubuntu Server in a Virtualbox virtual machine ?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont see why not
[03:02] <KurtKraut> I've just installed Ubuntu Server over a Virtualbox machine and it is unable to boot saying the installed kernel is not compatible with the CPU. But Virtualbox is emulatin an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU !
[06:03] <girth82> Hello all.
[06:08] <girth82> anybody here able to assist with initial install, need assistance with monitor settings.
[08:28] <exot> hello, how can I add a line at the top of the file ?
[08:59] <hads> exot: sed '1i\STUFF_TO_INSERT' yourfile
[09:15] <larsemil> i get a postfix error that i understand nothing about...
 Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=urix.se type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type
[09:15] <larsemil> but when i dig that domain i do get a mx record
[10:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #232031 in dhcp3 (main) "package gdhcpd None failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232031
[10:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #232028 in gdhcpd (universe) "package gdhcpd None failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured (dup-of: 232032)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232028
[10:55] <raydoo> hello
[10:55] <raydoo> ->question : since i upgraded to php5 i cannot display any virtualhosts with php content onley one page on the main domain ist showing up i use apache2 on dapper, does anyone has a suggestion ?
[13:20] <Weasel[DK]> i lost my  vim editor in S+ state, how can i get to it ?
[13:36] <rbrunhuber> is here the right place to ask about apparmor?
[14:49] <XiXaQ> I installed the lamp task and then uploaded joomla to /var/www as usual, but this time, when I try to access it, firefox asks what I'd like to do with the phtml file. This tells me apache might not be configured to handle phtml-files as php-files? If that's true, how do I configure that?
[15:05] <XiXaQ> it doesn't look like php is configured when you install the lamp-task at all anymore?
[15:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #256621 in openvpn (universe) "[CVE-2008-3459] OpenVPN vulnerability allows arbitrary command execution via crafted configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256621
[18:23] <dusty_> Hey guys, I have ubuntu 8.04 install on my vps with iptables running nice, the only issue is it doesnt seem to log anywhere even though im using the log features of iptables, how do i fix this ?
[18:51] <dusty_> If I Have iptables rules that have logging enabled, but messages dont appear in any file under /var/log/ what can i do ?
[18:53] <metromini> hi i'm using ubuntu server, and had problem with tg3 driver for my broadcom nextreme gigaethernet nic, how can i switch back to old bcm5700 driver?
[19:33] <dusty_> Guys even though I have kern.* /var/log/kern.log it doesn't get any iptables logs, why not ?
[19:46] <ghaleb> hello, how can I authenticate my wireless users through their accounts in LDAP
[19:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #256704 in bacula (universe) "bacula-director-mysql post-installation error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256704
[20:00] <ghaleb> hello, I want to create ubuntu boot server for stand alone machines uses PXE boot, but I the configurations and packages installed on the server appears on those booted from that server
[20:12] <axyjo> hi all, i have a hardy server that is already installed. how do i change the installation so that it becomes the server for a top level domain? i already own the domain. I just need to map it to the box.
[20:13] <axyjo> anyone?
[20:14] <hotmonkeyluv> I'm trying to set up a LVM over 4 disks that are all different, is that possible, and if so, where can I put the swap, because I'm trying to do an encrypted lvm.
[20:18] <axyjo> nobody?
[20:20] <hotmonkeyluv> axisys, anyone what?
[20:21] <axyjo> i am trying to configure a preexisting install so that it accepts requests for a domain name
[20:21] <axisys> hotmonkeyluv: what?
[20:22] <hotmonkeyluv> axisys, whoops
[20:22] <hotmonkeyluv> sorry
[20:22] <hotmonkeyluv> typed the wrong name
[20:22] <axyjo> axisys: i think hotmonkeyluv means me
[20:22] <axisys> hotmonkeyluv: heh
[20:22] <hotmonkeyluv> axyjo, sorry, can't help ya
[20:22] <axisys> axyjo: k
[20:22] <axyjo> hotmonkeyluv: no problem.. i'll keep on googling
[20:46] <axyjo> hi all. does anyone know how i can use dns on my ubuntu server? i've got the A record of my domain pointing to my machine
[20:48] <edmoore> just a sanity check - if I install gnome desktop, and have it not start up by default (i.e. start it by 'start x' ), then when it's off it'll be completely off - not taking up cpu time or anything?
[20:49] <axyjo> edmoore: yeah.. i think itll just take up disk
[20:49] <edmoore> cool, that's good. I don't need it 99% of the time, still trying to persuade myself I don't need it
[20:50] <edmoore> I'm struggling to share my eth0 net connection over the wifi card I've put in it, using just cli.
[20:51] <edmoore> all the guides say 'there's this convenint gui tool that helps you set it up'. I'm trying to resist but I have precisely 3 days linux experience so it's not easy to know what I'm doing.
[20:53] <axyjo> lol
[22:38] <nxvl> kirkland: ping
[22:40] <rbrunhuber> Is it normal to see a memory usage of 300+ meg with spamd and clamd. Is this normal?
[22:43] <YoMero> with me clamd and spamd die after of one or two days and hug memory too
[22:45] <rbrunhuber> Im on a virtual machine and get out of my guaranteed memory, so processes cant fork anymore. Meaning i could not even shutdown anymore.
[22:47] <YoMero> do you are using http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile ?
[22:48] <rbrunhuber> Yomero: your processes seem to be nice if they "hug" the mem. Here they hog it. ;-)
[22:48] <YoMero> :)
[22:48] <YoMero> is true
[22:48] <YoMero> sorry  i miss typed
[22:49] <rbrunhuber> No im using the standard hardy debs
[22:50] <YoMero> i have the same problem under debian
[22:52] <rbrunhuber> I think ill kill clamd out of the spam checking chain.
[22:53] <YoMero> i restart the daemons 2 times per day
[22:55] <rbrunhuber> Isnt that breaking all the pipes?
[22:56] <YoMero> i stop first postfix, and later restart clamd and spamd, and later start again postfix
[22:56] <YoMero> don't like me that but by the moment that works for me
[22:58] <rbrunhuber> This is possible but not "beautyful"
[23:03] <rbrunhuber> I hope clamd is getting fixed. This is not the first memory leak im sseing
[23:11] <rbrunhuber> Amavisd and spamd are memory hogs too. Is this a problem with perl or with the both programs.


[19:03] <kdub> DarkwingDuck: ever check out horton plaza coffeehouses? i was going to put together a June UH today, i think
[19:35] <iheartubuntu> Markdude - does Partimus have a SoCal connection at all? My biz has like 6 computers we want ot give away... I think four of them are 386 and two are early 486. Not sure if these are something Partimus would be interested in
[19:36] <pleia2> we only take pentium 4s and above
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> OK - Does Partimus have anything down in LA area or similar NPO?
[19:37] <pleia2> for things that old you probably want to look into a computer recycling place
[19:37] <akk> There was a booth at SCALE for a partimus-like group in LA.
[19:37] <pleia2> http://www.komputers4rkids.com/ is down there
[19:37] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I may be interested in a computer with a 386 processor.
[19:37] <akk> Was that computers4kids?
[19:38] <nhaines> akk: yes.
[19:38] <akk> ah, a k
[19:38] <nhaines> akk: and an r  :)
[19:38] <akk> ah, indeed
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> I do not know the condition of them (what peripherals, etc)
[19:38] <nhaines> Just a heads-up for Ubuntu members in here.  The Ubuntu monospace font is pretty tasty.
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> I should probably fire them up
[19:39] <philipballew> about how old are they?
[19:39] <nhaines> philipballew: 15-20 years old.
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> Nathan, I'll see exactly what I got and let u know
[19:39] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: thanks.
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> my first computer I bought as a teen from my paper route money was a 386... I think I paid $1400 for it!
[19:39] <akk> It's really hard to get school groups to take computers that old. Even though they'd work fine with ubuntu and a lightweight window manager.
[19:40] <nhaines> akk: not a 386!
[19:40] <pleia2> I think even a 486 would be pushing it
[19:40] <akk> wait, it's the group that's 15-20 years, not the computers?
[19:40] <seidos> computers
[19:41] <nhaines> akk: my first PC in 1992 was a 33MHz 386SX with 2MB RAM and an 80GB harddrive.
[19:41] <iheartubuntu> Ive got an old Gateway laptop 486 with Ubuntu 9.04 on it... works AWESOME... very fast... too bad the screen cracked
[19:41] <pleia2> a lot of educational software these days requires java and flash, so even our p4s with 512M ram are a bit slow, we're going with 1G ram now
[19:41] <nhaines> From the description (386 and 486), I extrapolated the computers' age.
[19:41] <akk> Yeah, that would be a little old for ubuntu ... that would be in the days of the first redhats and slackwares.
[19:41] <pleia2> and partimus doesn't have a recycling component, so if we get hardware we can't use we're responsible for disposal (which costs us time/money)
[19:42] <nhaines> akk: you can get slackware running on a 386 with 6MB of RAM, but it's not super speedy.  :)
[19:42] <akk> Most schools turn up their noses at anything older than a P4
[19:42] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, there is a computer for kids place
[19:42] <akk> (ironic since some of the P3 machines were actually better than P4s, but let's not let logic get in the way of standards)
[19:43] <MarkDude> I talked ot them - I will find their info later
[19:43] <nhaines> K4RK says that selling a computer with a CRT (instead of an LCD) is nearly impossible.
[19:43] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - my city and local cities have free electronic recycling days once a year, and many private schools and churches accept old computers since they can get paid for recycling the comps
[19:43] <pleia2> MarkDude: I already linked to it ;)
[19:43] <MarkDude> P3 is only useful in a few countries to the south
[19:44] <akk> I have a friend in LA who just gave away a bunch of CRTs (nice ones, 20") to kids.
[19:44] <MarkDude> Many of those places sent their ewaste to 3rd world countries
[19:44] <pleia2> heh, we don't accept crts either
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> our first flatscreen monitor passed away the other day
[19:44] <akk> The local school wouldn't take anything, but he found a guy who put him in touch with families that couldn't afford decent computers.
[19:44] <seidos> MarkDude: is that where they have people cook the components to try to get the traces of gold out?
[19:44] <MarkDude> People that dont have machines are ok with CRT
[19:45] <MarkDude> and worse seidos
[19:45] <MarkDude> ban.org has pictures
[19:45] <philipballew> wipe your hd!!!
[19:45] <MarkDude> and lists responsible people
[19:45] <seidos> i saw a documentary on sundance channel
[19:45] <akk> CRTs still give better images than LCDs. I know people who still use them for that reason (graphics people who can't afford the professional LCDs).
[19:45] <seidos> acid vats
[19:45] <sn9> MarkDude: speaking of partimus, i may be available today only
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> just picked up a LG LCD monitor.... id much rather have that than a CRT
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> super crisp screen
[19:46] <akk> I switched to LCD because they're easier on my eyes, and I'm prone to migraines.
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> me too
[19:46] <akk> But I miss the better color of the CRT.
[19:47] <philipballew> i need to find a deal on a monitor somewhere. the one i have been using is a bog box one.... wonder where to get one
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> I still get migraines though... just dont have to look at the CRT lines anymore
[19:47] <akk> me too, iheartubuntu ...sadly
[19:47] <seidos> sunglasses help me sometimes
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> i notice less headaches now that ive switched beers
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> :)
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> if thats possible
[19:48] <akk> I had to quit using computers last night and go do something else, felt a migraine coming on from too much screen tiem.
[19:48] <akk> time
[19:48] <seidos> drink up!
[19:48]  * seidos hands out kool-aid
[19:49] <iheartubuntu> the last few years i have drank mostly hefeweizen style beers... and always get raging headaches... ive switched to Spaten... Oktoberfest or Optimator and do not get the headaches anymore
[19:49] <iheartubuntu> my migraines usually come from too much of focusing on one thing like the computer
[19:49] <seidos> i switched to coke
[19:50] <akk> I stopped drinking beer entirely ... and alas, good stuff like guiness gives me headaches a lot faster than watery stuff
[19:50] <iheartubuntu> i just switched to sugar sweetened pepsi (from coke)
[19:50] <iheartubuntu> if only i could get off the soft drink fix entirely
[19:50] <philipballew> Tea FTW!!!
[19:50] <iheartubuntu> FTW?
[19:50] <iheartubuntu> for the world!
[19:50] <philipballew> for the win!!!
[19:50] <seidos> philipballew: haha
[19:50] <nhaines> I had a great Spaten Optimator Monday night.
[19:51] <nhaines> Warsteiner Dunkel is also pretty good.
[19:51] <nhaines> But my favorite is probably the Aventinus doppelbach.
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> i really like the spaten.... very crisp and clean, no aftertaste
[19:51] <nhaines> Franziskaner doppelbach is a close second.  ;)
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> i just had a belgian beer... the name started with an "M"
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> i dont recall
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> pretty good
[19:53] <nhaines> I've been tending towards Spaten Dunkel in the evenings lately.
[20:00] <seidos> i had a great green tea the other night, i let it steep until it is room temperature, then i drink it
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> laptop that is pedal powered (afghanistan)... http://krisdedecker.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0099229e8883301538ea49bcc970b-500wi
[20:01] <philipballew> ^ the cure for American obesity
[20:02] <iheartubuntu> ha!
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> i like how they painted the desk/crank setup to match the laptop
[20:03] <seidos> coal or solar is probably the only option in afghanistan, both of which are probably impossible to build without awesome schematics
[20:03] <seidos> i wonder who built it
[20:03] <akk> I loved the original OLPC design with the hand-crank -- I'd love to have a non-AC way to charge my laptop.
[20:04] <pleia2> there is a company that ended up releasing the hand-crank addons (they were given out in the goodie bag at the OLPCSF Summit last yer)
[20:04] <pleia2> but even my netbook is 2x the power usages of an OLPC, so I couldn't charge it with it
[20:05] <seidos> what's the power consumption of an OLPC?
[20:05] <seidos> my notebook is 45W
[20:05] <pleia2> 15
[20:05] <akk> 45W! For a laptop?!!
[20:06] <pleia2> my netbook is 30
[20:06] <seidos> that's max
[20:06] <akk> oh, well, how often does it use that?
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> hook it up to a bike, ride all day, use the laptop at night :)
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> id bet a netbook is even less, no?
[20:06] <seidos> probably never
[20:06] <akk> I think my vaio runs about 10-15 most of the time, and it's old and has a spinning disk.
[20:07] <seidos> did you use a kill-a-watt to measure it?
[20:07] <pleia2> well, I'm just talking what is in the small print on the power adapters :)
[20:07] <akk> yes
[20:07] <pleia2> I don't know what they use for real, presumably much much less
[20:07] <akk> alas, the kill-a-watt is at home and I'm not, so I can't verify that right now.
[20:07] <akk> oh, power adaptors are always rated for way more than computers actually use.
[20:08] <seidos> i wonder what a 486 would use.  the power supplies were like 230W if i recall
[20:08] <akk> You can't buy a desktop power supply under 200W, but a decent intel-based desktop probably uses under 45W most of the time, max of maybe 80W.
[20:08] <akk> And the 200W ones are getting hard to find, a lot of people are using 400W or 600W
[20:08] <akk> which are very inefficient when operating in the range where actual computers run. It's crazy.
[20:09] <seidos> 45W, about the power use of a midrange tungsten lightbulb
[20:09] <seidos> not too bad
[20:10] <pleia2> my last desktop had an 680W PSU, but that's because I thought it would be cool to use a giant server for my desktop, it required that much (and it was loud!)
[20:10] <pleia2> I was able to pile in the harddrives though, that was neat
[20:11] <seidos> i think mine had a 300W
[20:11] <akk> Desktop-sized hard drives use a surprising amount of power.
[20:15] <seidos> not bad if it can be put to good use...
[20:15] <seidos> that's the tricky part
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> does anyone remember which release removed the flash files from saving off in the tmp directory?
[20:42] <seidos> not really, i would guess 10.04 though
[20:45] <iheartubuntu> thats what im thinking too
[20:46] <iheartubuntu> i have some videos i want to download from a site i subscribed to (no not that kind). its a investment site and i dont know how long the videos will be up and i dont know when i'll have time to watch them. so i want to store them.
[20:47] <seidos> i want to access my webcam using cli tools
[20:47] <iheartubuntu> i supposed i could clear my cache in chrome and look for the files easily that way... up until now the thousands of things stored in the cache directory have made it impossible to find tmp videos anymore
[20:47] <seidos> i read this, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/
[20:47] <seidos> now i have to study it
[20:48] <seidos> it really doesn't seem like it has what i need
[20:48] <akk> Access how? snapshots, or tell it to stop/start recording video?
[20:48] <akk> I know how to do snapshots from the cli, but haven't done video.
[20:48] <seidos> likely, store it as a video file
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> access video from IP or something?
[20:49] <seidos> upload it to youtube
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> as basic as it is, i have our webcam at work recording with cheese
[20:49] <akk> All the commandline stuff I've found has been either single snapshots, or running a streaming server.
[20:49] <seidos> cheese is hit and miss
[20:50] <seidos> i tried compiling the newest version, failed
[20:50] <akk> I've had good luck with cheese (I just used the one in the repo, didn't compile it) but it's interactive, not commandline.
[20:50] <seidos> hmmm, then maybe it isn't possible
[20:51] <seidos> i thought access to the webcam was possible through "simpler" tools
[20:51] <seidos> i just want to record, i don't care if i can see myself
[20:51] <seidos> i'll search this page for "record" though
[20:52] <akk> I think it's probably possible, just haven't found out how.
[20:52] <akk> Whatever cheese is doing under the hood to talk to the camera certainly could be done without a UI.
[20:52] <seidos> here's something:  streamer -q -c /dev/video0 -f rgb24 -r 3 -t 00:30:00 -o /home/jhs/outfile.avi
[20:53] <seidos> i don't appear to have that binary
[20:58] <iheartubuntu> nathan, i'll get back to you later today or tomorrow on the comps i have
[21:40] <kdub> some devices you can just cat /dev/video0
[21:40] <kdub> my hauppauge pvr250 was like that, it was nice
[21:41] <sn9> that's an mpeg-only device, though
[21:43] <seidos> invalid argument
[21:45] <kdub> sn9: yeah, true. if its a raw video device though, it could be possible to pipe it through ffmpeg and cpu encode on the fly
[21:45] <kdub> depends how the driver for the device is written i guess
[21:45] <sn9> there is a standard interface
[21:45] <seidos> i tried compiling xawtv, it didn't work...moving on
[21:45] <sn9> v4l-dvb
[21:46] <akk> Why do you have to compile any of these, instead of apt-getting them?
[21:46] <akk> Are you leaving ubuntu and switching to gentoo? :)
[21:47] <seidos> trying different distros
[21:50] <sn9> i did that. i came back.
[21:51] <seidos> i did it, came back, and now i'm doing it again
[21:51] <akk> I finally have debian going on the laptop! The secret was that it needed pm-suspend --quirk-dpms-on to sleep.
[21:52] <akk> Ubuntu figures out the quirks automatically.
[21:52] <akk> But debian is about 30% more power efficient on a laptop.
[21:52] <seidos> i should probably do Debian next
[21:52] <seidos> i tried installing it once, but couldn't get wireless working then
[22:16] <rww> akk: power-efficient because of lower CPU usage?
[22:17] <akk> rww: Because of the power management regression in recent kernels. I think it's not putting devices to sleep, but no one seems to know exactly.
[22:17] <rww> ah, I vaguely heard about that.
[22:18] <akk> It's a huge difference. And something in natty makes it even worse, so even when I suspend, the laptop doesn't fully suspend
[22:18] <akk> and will use up its battery in about 6 hours, not much better than it does when it's actually running.
[22:47] <nhaines> akk: maybe linux 3.0 will fix that!
[22:47] <akk> I can hope! :)
[22:47] <nhaines> I don't think it will (necessarily) but it was fun to say Linux 3.0.  :)
[22:48] <akk> I don't think they've found the problem yet, though it would be nice to think there was some substantial change that motivated the version bump.'
[22:48] <nhaines> Mostly that there aren't substatial changes anymore and it's been a decade since 2.0.
[22:48] <nhaines> Or another decade since it began.  Something like that.  :)
[23:07] <kdub> linus said specifically in the email, no big changes :P


[04:11] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:49] <wileee> robot running on unity, http://robohub.org/in-situ-fabricator-an-autonomous-construction-robot/
[07:49] <ObrienDave> poor robot ;P
[07:52] <wileee> lol, just watch it and the show the laptop screen
[07:52] <wileee> watching*
[07:53] <wileee> I had seen some robot bricklayers lately, was curious what this one did, to much free time here
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> mupdf is such a nice app
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> no lags on pdf
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> hi cfhowlett :p
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> pretty busy support this morning
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[12:51] <ubot5`> Not yet!
[13:13] <cfhowlett> hey lotuspsychje
[19:32] <Bashing-om> TJ-: IRT  propernewb. Do you also note " deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib " Maybe a real mess ?
[19:33] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I've never had problems with webmin and I deploy it to some complex scenarios. This issue is to do with a custom OVH kernel and missing supporting packages, modules, etc.
[19:34] <TJ-> That 'factoid' is 10 years old and totally out of date
[19:35] <Bashing-om> TJ-: K; Just looking over your shoulder .
[19:36] <TJ-> :) I think the preconfigured dedi server has the OVH packages manually installed. This user has been doing apt prugrge/clean/autoremove etc and I think has caused those to be uninstalled since there's no metapackage keeping them in place
[19:37] <TJ-> Hopefully apt's history.log will prove that :)
[19:39] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I did look at the requested outputs... seems the OP has not done house cleaning in some time. Now what he did do was improper .
[19:41] <TJ-> It's a mess for sure, not helped by the terrible bugs in the Upstart/sysv-init scripts that held us up for a couple of hours
[19:48] <TJ-> This gets more puzzling every minute ;)
[19:54] <Bashing-om> Has my interest. glad it is you attempting to puzzle things out . No logs, good luck !
[20:15] <TJ-> This is the problem when someone (OVH here) decides to replace the distro package management with custom manually installed core boot files
[21:00] <TJ-> I'm mentally exhausted now
[21:01] <wileee> you work very hard here, it takes a toll
[21:01] <wileee> excellent support, all the way through issues
[21:01] <TJ-> maybe not so much that, as trying to create a virtual simulation in my head that reflects the symptoms of a screwed up system :)
[21:02] <TJ-> I always want to figure out not just the 'what' but the 'how' so it doesn't happen again
[21:02] <wileee> heh, I'm a jazz musician I can relate in that way
[21:02] <TJ-> :D
[21:04] <wileee> the cause and effect is really important, I can see from your efforts, myself I have to limit this is ability and what I can remember and help.
[21:04] <wileee> in*
[21:20] <OerHeks> oh it is saturday, troll night
[21:20] <OerHeks> :-(