[00:00] <Arjen> orgy, I assume Stable, since I installed 'chromium-browser'
[00:00] <lcb> Arjen, ... then?
[00:00] <lcb> /usr/bin/chromium-browser %U
[00:01] <ubuntunooblet> Can someone walk me through on how to get a system monitor fpr my top panel in ubuntu 11.04
[00:01] <ubuntunooblet> ?
[00:01] <sebsebseb> ubuntunooblet: in Unity you can't as far as I know
[00:01] <Arjen> The browser does open, but not 'via unity'. Odd, orgy.
[00:01] <sebsebseb> ubuntunooblet: in the Ubuntu Classic Desktop well yes you can
[00:01] <ubuntunooblet> :O
[00:02] <ubuntunooblet> How do you add a ppa?
[00:02] <sebsebseb> ppa for what?
[00:02] <lcb> Arjen, try fixing some things... sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get check && sudo dpkg-reconfigure chromiun-ose
[00:02] <ubuntunooblet> I found one online, but I don't know how to add PPA'S
[00:02] <sebsebseb> ppa for what?
[00:02] <sebsebseb> and depending on where you got a ppa from, well it could contain malicious software
[00:03] <lcb> Arjen, then reboot. just in case you have some ghost or zombies in ur machine
[00:03] <ubuntunooblet> sec\
[00:03] <Arjen> Or both. :o  ... I'll reboot.
[00:04] <Arjen> Sorry for being a pain, lcb :)
[00:04] <lcb> Arjen, then check "Preferred Applications" if google is your default bro
[00:04] <lcb> Arjen, ur not. i'm not getting paid for trying to help ppl.
[00:05] <lcb> is not an obligation, it's a devotion :)
[00:05] <lcb> wow
[00:05] <sebsebseb> ubuntunooblet: uh you could have put that link no problem in here
[00:05] <bjsnider> ubuntunooblet, it's simple. install system-monitor-indicator and then run it
[00:06] <sebsebseb> !pm > ubuntunooblet
[00:06] <Arjen> ... The reboot worked.
[00:06] <lcb> see....
[00:06] <Arjen> "Have you tried turning it on and off again?"
[00:06] <lcb> zombies & ghosts, Inc
[00:07] <Arjen> Failcake.
[00:07] <ubuntunooblet> How do I install it?
[00:07] <bjsnider> add the ppa, install indicator-sysmonitor
[00:07] <ubuntunooblet> And I though /msg just made the person aware that you sent them a message
[00:07] <bin_bash> DOWNLOAD Y U NO FASTER
[00:07] <bin_bash> sorry
[00:07] <bjsnider> and then run it
[00:07] <ubuntunooblet> How do I add a PPA?
[00:07] <bjsnider> the ppa page tells you how
[00:07] <ubuntunooblet> K
[00:07] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/~alexeftimie/+archive/ppa
[00:08] <bjsnider> just read the friggin' instructions
[00:08] <lcb> nite nite all,time for 'a way' to run from here.
[00:08] <aauthor> penguin42: Thanks for your help.  I forgot that the MBR uses the grub on my main (10.10) system, so I need to run update-grub there. x.x;;
[00:09]  * Arjen cheers on lcb
[00:12] <penguin42> aauthor: Ah OK
[00:14] <strav> anyone tested emacs23 in ubuntu 11.04?
[00:14] <strav> (beta 2)
[00:18] <penguin42> strav: Did you say you had menu problems?
[00:18] <strav> yep
[00:19] <penguin42> strav: Maybe you have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/+bug/673302
[00:19] <durt> hey folks, [whatever]-decorator is not starting/crashing after logging in, but something starts when I invoke 'compiz-decorator &' and stays up. The usual suspects from /var/log reveal nothing. Is this unity-decorator crashing/not starting? am I using unity-decorator? Anyone shed some light? I'm using i915, Classic desktop.
[00:20] <strav> penguin42: perfect! this is exactly what I was looking for. I was pretty sure this bug existed but couldn't find it - I'll be removing the one I entered. Thanks!
[00:20] <penguin42> strav: Just mark yours as a dupe
[00:21] <strav> penguin42: well perhaps I spoke to fast, I'll check if uninstalling appmenu-gtk fixes the issue first.
[00:21] <penguin42> strav: It sounds like there is a really new appmenu-gtk that blacklists emacs as a workaround, not sure if it's out there yet
[00:22] <strav> thanks, I'll check it out right after confirming that the behaviour I'm experiencing is indeed due to appmenu.
[00:23] <strav> penguin42: and it was. :)
[00:28] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I have a problem
[00:28] <penguin42> bin_bash: Can I take a guess?
[00:29] <bin_bash> YES PLEASE GUESS
[00:29] <bin_bash> :D
[00:29] <penguin42> bin_bash: I bet the thumb install doesn't see the hard drive
[00:29] <bin_bash> penguin42:  no my thumb drive is only 512MBs and the install is over700 lol
[00:29] <penguin42> bin_bash: That's what happens if you suck your thumb - did your momma never tell you to stop?
[00:30] <bin_bash> ogod how can you see me sucking my thumb?!
[00:30] <bin_bash> :P
[00:30] <strav> Now another thing while I'm at it: I didn't saw any bug report precisely describing the issue I'm having with autohide. Namely, quite randomly but with a kinda strong probability, the unity menu fails to automatically hide. It just hangs there and typing/clicking outside of it doesn't change anything. It only would hide if I got back in the unity menu area with the mouse and move the cursor over some icons.
[00:30] <penguin42> bin_bash: so, try a new cd burn
[00:31] <bin_bash> alrighty
[00:31] <penguin42> bin_bash: And get yourself a new Thumb drive - heck 1GB drives are almost given away with corn flakes these days
[00:31] <bin_bash> penguin42:  yeah i know i know
[00:32] <bin_bash> this is interesting
[00:32] <bin_bash> i ran unetbootin
[00:32] <bin_bash> and it worked
[00:32] <bin_bash> but it said it wont run off a mac only a PC
[00:38] <bin_bash> penguin42: what do you think about that
[00:38]  * sebsebseb Has of a little while ago, a burnt 11.04 Beta 2 CD
[00:38] <sebsebseb> has as of, above
[00:39] <penguin42> bin_bash: There isn't much difference between a mac and a PC these days except for the logo, the price and a slight boot difference that is starting to go away
[00:39] <bin_bash> okay
[00:39] <bin_bash> I'm going to try and boot from this USB then
[00:39] <bin_bash> brb
[00:40] <Nick_Meister> hi guys i heard that ubuntu 11 now has wayland in it instead of x and i was wondering about 3d acceleration through noveau since ive been using nvidias binary packages up to this point
[00:40] <penguin42> bin_bash: If it was too small it won't work
[00:40] <Daekdroom> Nick_Meister, nope. Wayland isn't in yet.
[00:40] <sebsebseb> Nick_Meister: uh any Wayland support would be very experimental
[00:40] <Daekdroom> I wouldn't expect it before 12.04.
[00:40] <Nick_Meister> ok then another question
[00:41] <bjsnider> Nick_Meister, where did you hear such an absurd thing?
[00:41] <bin_bash> hey.... i wonder if that's why the CD didn't work
[00:41] <bin_bash> the CD is only 700MBs
[00:41] <Nick_Meister> i have a quad core 3.4ghz amd with 9800gt and unity using twinview runs super slowly
[00:41] <Nick_Meister> even in classical view
[00:41] <Nick_Meister> and even on maverick if i do sudo apt
[00:41] <sebsebseb> oh yeah I was just thinking btrfs, any point going with that for 11.04?  Plus is 12GB a bit to small for a btrfs partition? I am thinking snapshots take up space.  Don't know much  about BTRFS yet, since not read much about it yet.
[00:42] <bin_bash> penguin42:  do you think that could be it?
[00:42] <Nick_Meister> bjsnider, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=156833
[00:42] <penguin42> bin_bash: Not sure - I actually doubt it
[00:42] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, there's no working fsck for btrfs yet
[00:42] <Nick_Meister> so what should i do
[00:42] <Nick_Meister> and every time i move a window there is like 10 second lag
[00:42] <bin_bash> brb
[00:42] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: right which means what exactly?
[00:42] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: that the partitions can't fix if go wrong?
[00:42] <Nick_Meister> and my cpu usage on a single core spikes to 100 and then it gets rotated around cores
[00:43] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, you're up the creek if the file system becomes corrupted and needs fixing
[00:43] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: wrong one
[00:43] <bin_bash> lol
[00:43] <Nick_Meister> its really weird
[00:43] <Nick_Meister> i get this wavy motion when i move windows around in the system monitor
[00:44] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: right yeah thought that was it, uhmm plus not sure how to use snapshots anyway, plus don't need that.  and I know btrfs support isn't exactly stable.  ok Ext4 it is then,  I am only really installing the beta 2 to try out the re done Unity with Compiz anyway.
[00:44] <sebsebseb> I tried out on a desktop with the 10.10 Unity for a bit, with Ubuntu and Lubuntu
[00:45] <Nick_Meister> i somehow feel im getting screwed on the 11th release
[00:45] <Nick_Meister> :S
[00:46] <sebsebseb> Nick_Meister: no I think 11.04 will be the 14th release of Ubuntu
[00:46] <sebsebseb> or something like that, but not the 11th
[00:46] <Nick_Meister> whatever ubuntu 11.04 is not performing well on my computer
[00:48] <bin_bash> Nick_Meister:  it's a beta
[00:49] <Nick_Meister> bin_bash, its coming out in few days, and it seems im the only one with that issue
[00:49] <Nick_Meister> nothing on google and a bunch of ppl scratching their heads in #ubuntu
[00:49] <bin_bash> I can't even get it to load and I'm going to have to build my own kernel for the wireless to work. I think I have bigger problems.
[00:49] <sebsebseb> Nick_Meister: over a week untill it comes out, and yes itwill run horribly on some computers for various reasons
[00:50] <bin_bash> brb guise
[00:51] <Nick_Meister> i dunno my UI is unusable even in classic view
[00:51] <sebsebseb> Nick_Meister: Unity is new, there are still performance bugs here and there it seems,  Gnome Shell may run better, but right it seems you can only have that in Ubuntu 11.04  using the ppa braking Unity, or maybe the upstream Gnome jhbuild
[00:51] <sebsebseb> altough if classic mode is showing oddly, then yeah there's something wrong
[00:51] <Nick_Meister> its not showing oddly
[00:51] <Nick_Meister> the god damn windows still lag
[00:52] <Nick_Meister> and the more windows i get
[00:52] <Nick_Meister> the harder it is to move them
[00:52] <sebsebseb> have you used previous versions of Ubuntu?
[00:52] <Nick_Meister> but stuff within the windows once stationary performs real fast
[00:52] <Nick_Meister> yes
[00:52] <Nick_Meister> with extra stuff enabled in compiz
[00:52] <Daekdroom> Nick_Meister, are you sing the Nvidia binary driver?
[00:52] <Nick_Meister> yep
[00:52] <sebsebseb> well there you go then, if 11.04 doesn't work out for you,  you can use a previous version of Ubuntu, or another distro even :)
[00:52] <Daekdroom> *using
[00:53]  * sebsebseb is about to leave to replace another distro with Beta 2
[00:54] <Nick_Meister> im super frustrated ;(
[00:56] <bin_bash> penguin42:  something exciting happened!
[00:56] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: ok I am not penguin42 ,but uhmm which was?
[00:56] <bin_bash> A new error!
[01:12] <penguin42> oh
[01:15] <durt> anybody else's window decorator not starting at login? Can't find LP bug on cursory search. (i915, classic desktop)
[01:18] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I can't even install 11.04
[01:19] <penguin42> bin_bash: From your undersized thumb drive?
[01:19] <bin_bash> from the newly burned CD
[01:19] <bin_bash> oh! and I got a new error!
[01:20] <bin_bash> can not mount /dev/loop0 (cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on //filesystem.squashfs
[01:20] <genec> bin_bash: how fast did you burn?
[01:20] <bin_bash> 24x
[01:21] <genec> meh, marginal.  I avoid anything over 8x or 16x;  seen issues with 1 drive seeing it fine and another failing.
[01:21] <bin_bash> ok
[01:21] <bin_bash> 8x it is then. it seems as though I don't have a 16x option
[01:21] <genec> verify after burn I assume right?
[01:22] <genec> I'll let them read at full speed as you can re-read but you only get 1 burn.
[01:22] <bin_bash> yeah of course
[01:23] <bin_bash> I'm gonna have to get some more CDs *sigh*
[01:23] <genec> strange to have 24x and not 16x.  not even 12x?  slim laptop-style drive or half-height?
[01:24] <bin_bash> yeah it's a laptop
[01:24] <bin_bash> I have 8x and 24x as options
[01:24] <genec> iirc, there is a way to do a verify from boot system in the target machine.
[01:25] <bin_bash> hm
[01:25] <bin_bash> I always verify I don't have unlimited CDs to burn
[01:25] <bin_bash> lol
[01:25] <genec> -beta2, right?
[01:25] <bin_bash> yep
[01:30] <jester7> Does anybody here happen to use Gwibber with Facebook?
[01:31] <bin_bash> nope
[01:31] <bin_bash> Sorry broski
[01:32] <jester7> apparently nobody does
[01:32] <jester7> because it simply doesn't work...at all
[01:32] <jester7> yet, not a lot out there about it
[01:32] <bin_bash> I used pidgin
[01:32] <bin_bash> I recommend it. works flawlessly
[01:32] <Nick_Meister> hi guys i would like to know how to edit the compositing settings for unity and how to add a panel to the new xscreen
[01:33] <Nick_Meister> cause i have two monitors as separate xscreens but only one of them has the bar
[01:33] <Nick_Meister> and i need the second one to have it too
[01:35] <Nick_Meister> most importantly its this behaviour  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/757715
[01:43] <buff> oh damn, just found there is a daily xubuntu build.......... didn't really need to install with alternate
[01:43] <bin_bash> if this cd doesn't work I might try the alternate install
[02:13] <bin_bash> this dude at apple just asked if i tried to install linux using the mac install disk
[02:18] <yofel> bin_bash: did you try turning it off and on again? :P
[02:19] <bin_bash> LOL
[02:19] <bin_bash> like 8 times
[02:19] <bin_bash> :P
[02:46] <bin_bash> So basically I've determined that it's not reading the cd drive
[02:47] <bin_bash> Archbang doesn't either
[02:47] <bin_bash> This is interesting.
[02:54] <AlienX> Anyone have any good tips for the atheros 9k stability issues with wifi? I added options ath9k nohwcrypt=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf but it doesn't seem to be helping much
[03:25] <knightautwell> hey room
[03:25] <knightautwell> how is everyone
[03:26] <knightautwell> anyone here lol
[03:29] <knightautwell> hey is it possible to make the banshee music player display lyrics to songs as they are playing?
[03:32] <knightautwell> ????
[03:33] <Daekdroom> knightautwell, check if there's a plugin that does that
[03:33] <trism> knightautwell: I would guess installing banshee-extension-lyrics, testing it now
[03:33] <Daekdroom> Well, that one should probably do it.
[03:33] <knightautwell> ok will do i just found that lol
[03:33] <knightautwell> even for say a japanese song?
[03:34] <Daekdroom> Those plugins have some websites they check for..
[03:34] <trism> knightautwell: it shouldn't have an issue displaying japanese lyrics, it just depends on if you have a source that can find them
[03:34] <knightautwell> anyway to add websites?]
[03:34] <Daekdroom> Most of them are english, but they might happen to have japenese songs
[03:35] <knightautwell> hey im running the update manager and its stuck updating the cache it keeps saying downloading packages but its at 13.2 MB of 13.2 MB
[03:38] <pangaea> hey all
[03:38] <pangaea>  i upgraded to 11 from 10.10, when i boot with the normal kernel i get a blank screen with a flashing caps lock key
[03:40] <knightautwell> did you update everything before you updated?
[03:40] <pangaea> no
[03:40] <ali12341> flashing caps lock = kernel panic
[03:40] <knightautwell> *upgraded?
[03:40] <knightautwell> do you have a live cd?
[03:41] <pangaea>  i updated from a previous version and then updated
[03:41] <knightautwell> can't he fix it with a live cd if he has one?
[03:41] <pangaea> like from 10.04 to 10.10
[03:41] <pangaea> then to 11.04 sorry for flooding
[03:42] <pangaea> how do i fix it with the cd, ill have to burn it
[03:43] <knightautwell> could try recovery mode?
[03:43] <pangaea> what would i do in recovery mode
[03:44] <knightautwell> or try to downgrade the kernel
[03:45] <knightautwell> try a different kernel when it boots up pick the previous kernel or something i cant remember that helped me once then when you get back in update everything
[03:46] <pangaea> yeah im in the other kernel now
[03:46] <knightautwell> so that worked??
[03:46] <pangaea> i know its stupid to try to fix a computer that youre on
[03:46] <pangaea> yeah starting from an older kernel worked
[03:46] <pangaea> but ill have to upgrade the kernel again to get to the latest?
[03:47] <knightautwell> no its not lol i almost borked my TWICE lol in the same day
[03:47] <knightautwell> borked mine twice lol
[03:48] <knightautwell> yea update everything
[03:48] <pangaea> well im about to update apt
[03:48] <pangaea> then should i just do the "sudo update-manager -d" or what
[03:49] <pangaea> or should i use apt-get upgrade
[03:49] <knightautwell> yea
[03:49] <pangaea> okay
[03:49] <pangaea> cool, thanks
[03:50] <knightautwell> np lol want a word of advice lol dont install the pam face recognition or the slim login thing
[03:50] <pangaea> k
[03:53] <pangaea> wish me luck im restarting
[03:53] <pangaea> hahaha
[03:54] <pangaea> at least it not windows it will reboot
[03:58] <knightautwell> hey how do i use the lyrics exstension in the banshee music player i cant figure it out
[03:59] <trism> knightautwell: go into the preferences, on the extensions tab, and enable it, then it should show up in the context tab, although I'm missing some plugins at the moment so I couldn't quite get it working yet
[03:59] <knightautwell> it keeps saying none found lol is there like a file i can edit to add lyric sites?
[04:02] <knightautwell> hey pangaea did it work?
[04:03] <knightautwell> anyone know if theres a way to manually add site with lyrics so that the banshee player can find them?
[04:05] <trism> knightautwell: the plugin has sites hardcoded, which makes sense because they all need to be scraped differently, it seems to have 5 or 6 sites built in
[04:06] <knightautwell> i know lol but its hardly finding any of my songs lol
[04:06] <knightautwell> do you know what sites it uses?
[04:06] <knightautwell> because if thats the case i could manually add them to the sites
[04:08] <trism> knightautwell: it uses autolyrics, leoslyrics, lyrc, lyricwiki, and lyriki
[04:09] <knightautwell> ok let me test my theory]
[04:10] <AlienX> is there a good way to reenable 2 button mice in natty to act like a 3 button mouse for highlight/paste? Looks like clicking both mouse buttons doesn't let me paste highlighted text anymore
[04:13] <Magicka> hello
[04:13] <Magicka> Can anyone help me with my wireless drivers.
[04:13] <Magicka> I need to install the "Broadcom B43 Driver"
[04:13] <hellhound> Magicka: that's easy as cake
[04:14] <Magicka> lol, im a bit a ITGuy, But ive bin having troubles
[04:14] <hellhound> ok
[04:14] <Magicka> When i had 10.10 it was in additional drivers. Now it isnt
[04:14] <Magicka> (I have 11.04 atm )
[04:15] <hellhound> Magicka: I found last year one website providing drivers for lots of wireless devices, including broadcom's
[04:16] <hellhound> Magicka: let me find the bookmark, I have it in delicious
[04:16] <Magicka> Well, I also have bin having other problems, I tryed installing with NDISWRAPPER and it like removed my wireless completely
[04:16] <hellhound> Magicka: compat-wireless has wifi drivers for b43 AFAIK
[04:17] <Magicka> How would i install it?
[04:17] <hellhound> Magicka: compiling it
[04:17] <hellhound> Magicka: wait, just a second
[04:17] <Magicka> Umm
[04:17] <Magicka> Let me switch
[04:17] <Magicka> to my ubuntu
[04:17] <Magicka> im on winxp
[04:17] <Magicka> So brb :))))))))))))
[04:19] <ubuntuguy> I'm trying to install battery status so I can actually know how much battery I have left. I put in the PPA, it didn't work, said it couldn't be found, I did it through terminal and got the same area. Anyone know how to get it?
[04:23] <magicka> HellHound
[04:24] <hellhound> magicka: there http://www.janoweb.net/drivers-patch/compat-wireless-aircrack-maverick-patched.tar.bz2
[04:24] <magicka> o
[04:24] <hellhound> magicka: its maverick's but will do
[04:24] <hellhound> :)
[04:24] <magicka> kk
[04:24] <hellhound> *it's
[04:24] <magicka> great servers
[04:24] <magicka> 42KB/s
[04:24] <magicka> :(
[04:25] <hellhound> heh
[04:26] <magicka> Do you like the new unity bar being the default?
[04:26] <hellhound> magicka: there's something else you need to do, you have to install fwcutter
[04:26] <magicka> i have fwcutter
[04:26] <hellhound> magicka: ok
[04:27] <hellhound> magicka: nah, I'll never update to natty
[04:27] <magicka> Lol why?
[04:28] <magicka> I was dissapoint that the unity bar was default. Then i found out that ubuntu classic was also prebuilt in.
[04:29] <magicka> How do i use this file hellhound?
[04:30] <magicka> I tryed identifying the .H file for b43 wireless and it wasnt recognized
[04:30] <ubuntuguy> Does battery status work
[04:32] <magicka> hellhound help please
[04:32] <magicka> hellhound, Help :0
[04:32] <hellhound> magicka: ? use tar xf file.tar.bz2
[04:33] <magicka> i extracted
[04:33] <magicka> but what file
[04:33] <magicka> i use with b43-fwcutter
[04:33] <magicka> and what dir i use?
[04:33] <hellhound> magicka: ok, none
[04:33] <magicka> ?
[04:33] <hellhound> magicka: first you need to download firmware from openwrt
[04:34] <magicka> wut
[04:34] <magicka> you is confusing
[04:34] <hellhound> magicka: compat-wireless will compile the needed kernel modules
[04:34] <magicka> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
[04:35] <hellhound> magicka: download this firmware
[04:35] <magicka> What do i do after i extract the folder?
[04:35] <hellhound> magicka: http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[04:36] <magicka> and i need that..
[04:36] <magicka> ok i have it
[04:36] <hellhound> magicka: then use b43-fwcutter to extract the binary blob
[04:36] <magicka> k
[04:37] <magicka> how
[04:37] <hellhound> b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/ uncompressed-dir/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o
[04:37] <hellhound> magicka: then compile compat-wireless
[04:38] <magicka><PHONE_NUMBER>00
[04:38] <hellhound> magicka: in case you don't know how to, just go to the directory where you uncompressed the first archive I told you to download and then execute make
[04:38] <hellhound> magicka: then sudo make install
[04:39] <magicka> so
[04:39] <magicka> im in the directory where the firmware is
[04:39] <hellhound> magicka: use fwcutter dude
[04:39] <magicka> and i use b43-fwcutter -w dir filename.tar.bz2
[04:39] <hellhound> magicka: lulwut?
[04:39] <hellhound> magicka: no no no
[04:39] <magicka> I DONT KNOW
[04:39] <magicka> YOUR SO CONFUSINGINGIGNIGN
[04:40] <bazhang> magicka, lose the caps
[04:40] <hellhound> GFYT :)
[04:41] <magicka> hellhound could you possibly help me over teamvieweR?
[04:41] <hellhound> magicka: what's that?
[04:41] <bazhang> hellhound, remote access
[04:41] <ubuntuguy> Anyone know any  battery applets that work work in ubuntu 11.04
[04:41] <magicka> A program that allows a user to well remote control them
[04:41] <magicka> ^^ This
[04:41] <hellhound> magicka: I don't use UI shells
[04:41] <magicka> ui shells????????/
[04:42] <hellhound> magicka: I don't have xorg or the like
[04:42] <magicka> i know what ui is but i dont know what you mean by shells
[04:42] <magicka> oh
[04:42] <magicka> *cough* fag *cough*
[04:42] <hellhound> magicka: shell == command user interface
[04:42] <bazhang> magicka, thats not acceptable here
[04:42] <bazhang> !guidelines > magicka
[04:43] <magicka> w/e
[04:43] <magicka> I just need help with my wireless so i can use my ubuntu at school
[04:44] <bazhang> magicka, calling names will get you zero support
[04:44] <magicka> I was joking around. Why would i actually call him a name if he was helping me very kindly.
[04:46] <knightautwell> hey trism
[04:46] <hellhound> magicka: well, a shell is something that lets you interact with your OS, otherwise you wouln't have any form of interactivity
[04:46] <trism> knightautwell: yes?
[04:47] <knightautwell> im about to find out if my theory was right about manually adding the songs for the lyrics lol
[04:47] <ubuntuguy> Stupid gnome battery indicator fails
[04:47] <ubuntuguy> :L
[04:48] <trism> knightautwell: good luck
[04:49] <knightautwell> lol thanks i just added one so lets see shall we lol
[04:53] <trism> knightautwell: for troublesome songs I usually find the lyrics manually and add them to the Lyrics id3 tag with kid3, although banshee seems to be ignoring these, they work in exaile though
[04:54] <knightautwell> they work in what?
[04:55] <trism> knightautwell: exaile, it is another music player in the repos
[04:55] <knightautwell> ok ill look
[05:04] <knightautwell> hey is the AppMenu in all versions on natty?
[05:04] <knightautwell> nevermind lol
[05:10] <knightautwell> how do you add lyrics to exaile?
[05:14] <KM0201> knightautwell, first you "inhale".. :) oh man, i need a nap
[05:17] <knightautwell> what lol
[05:18] <knightautwell> lol nice but do you know how?
[05:18] <KM0201> no, i really don't... i don't use exaille
[05:19] <KM0201> honestly, i'm not even sure its possible to add lyrics
[05:19] <KM0201> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1330144.html
[05:19] <KM0201> that may help... it says "Solved"
[05:20] <knightautwell> not sure either i just got tired of banshee not pulling up my song lyrics
[05:20] <KM0201> d you download the song lyrics somewhere, or do you type them up, or what?
[05:21] <KM0201> hmm, ok
[05:22] <knightautwell> sorry lol doing multiple things
[05:22] <knightautwell> well if i had a way to add them i could  copy and paste them
[05:23] <knightautwell> i find them i have a few sites that have all my songs lyrics on them
[05:23] <KM0201> hmm
[05:25] <KM0201> i honestly have no idea on that one
[05:25] <KM0201> i never add lyrics
[05:25] <KM0201> i figure if i'm listening to a song, why do i want to read it
[05:26] <knightautwell> lol because i like reading them
[05:26] <KM0201> dunno man, you got me on that one
[05:28] <KM0201> ah wait
[05:28] <KM0201> i think i see the issue... hold on
[05:30] <knightautwell> issue for banshee or exaile? and i cant find a preferences tab or anyway to enable plugins in exaile? or am i just not seeing it
[05:31] <KM0201> you're just not seeing it (for exaile
[05:32] <KM0201> open exaile, edit, preferences, then click on "Plugins".. and there's several lyric plugins
[05:32] <KM0201> one of which i couldn't get to install
[05:33] <KM0201> i'll try banshee
[05:34] <KM0201> i dunno dude
[05:34] <KM0201> just close your eyes while listening to your tunes
[05:35] <knightautwell> i dont even see an edit button
[05:36] <knightautwell> never mind lol
[05:36] <KM0201> lol
[05:36] <knightautwell> i keep forgetting it shows those options on the top panel
[05:36] <KM0201> fail!
[05:39] <KM0201> xchat-gnome is getting on my nerves
[05:39] <KM0201> i like its "softer" look..
[05:40] <KM0201> but it's constantly losing sound
[05:40] <KM0201> where xchat just works.
[05:40] <KM0201> i wonder if i can make xchat look like xchat gnome
[05:56] <bullgard4> I wonder if one can expect Gajim release 0.14.1 to make it in Natty yet.
[05:57] <rww> feature freeze is long past, so no.
[05:57] <bullgard4> Ok, thank you for your information.
[06:08] <rwhittle> what are some nice gtk themes to use under natty ?
[06:09] <rwhittle> either included or found anywhere
[06:24] <ubuntuguy> Can some give me the system monitar ouput code?
[06:24] <ubuntuguy> system monitar indicator output code?
[06:33] <Jerub> in my upgrade something strange has happened to the scrollbars in nautilus?
[06:33] <Jerub> is there a way to get back the old behaviour?
[06:37] <anthony_2409> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html
[06:37] <anthony_2409> havent tried it yet
[06:37] <Jerub> thanks
[06:38] <anthony_2409> np
[06:40] <Jerub> holy crap that's a horrible workaround
[06:40] <anthony_2409> ya like i said, didnt try it
[06:41] <anthony_2409> you not like the new scrollbars?
[06:41] <Jerub> i didn't even know i had them until i'd been running natty for 2 weeks. it's only in 1 window (nautilus) out of all the programs i run.
[06:41] <Jerub> so i'd prefer to have it off.
[06:43] <anthony_2409> yeah, im sure after the release enough people will complain and they ll offer a good way to switch back
[06:47] <Jerub> ah, this is easier:
[06:48] <Jerub>  sudo apt-get remove liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0
[06:48] <Jerub> then restart nautilus
[06:48] <Jerub> no reboot required
[06:50] <bhavesh> I found something weired pressing ctrl + alt + s on a window
[06:51] <bhavesh> is this a bug and should I report it ? http://i.imgur.com/7CVm2.png
[06:51] <bhavesh> it happened when I recovered from sleep more
[06:52] <anthony_2409> very nice
[06:52] <bazhang> bhavesh, sure, this channel is all about bug reportage
[06:53] <anthony_2409> Jerub, you should post that on that link. Will probably help a lot of people
[06:54] <bhavesh> bazhang, so where should I report?
[06:59] <SwedeMike> !bug
[07:45] <daniel> hello would someone hep with the drivers? it see my wireless but wont activate it
[08:14] <bhavesh> I want to report a bug but I cannot get my ubuntu release information via lsb_release -rd on 11.04
[08:14] <bhavesh> what should I do?
[08:15] <darkcore> there we go
[08:16] <bhavesh> darkcore..
[08:16] <darkcore> ..yes?
[08:16] <bhavesh> how can I get which ubuntu release I am using?
[08:16] <darkcore> bhavesh, System -> About Ubuntu
[08:16] <bhavesh> I dont think I can find system in 11.04
[08:17] <darkcore> wait.. you're using the unity desktop?
[08:17] <bhavesh> yes.
[08:17] <frybye> Hi - looking to install kindle for pc on natty.. using google I find loads of confusing stuff relating to 3 different v. of wine and about 5 v. of kindle - anybody done it..?
[08:17] <bhavesh> and I want to report a bug which I cant without giving them the release info
[08:18] <bhavesh> shuold I just say ubunu 11.04 Natty Narwhal ?
[08:18] <bhavesh> ubuntu*
[08:22] <darkcore> bhavesh, if you didn't figure it out: cat /etc/issue
[08:22] <darkcore> will give you the release name
[08:22] <bhavesh> ok
[08:23] <darkcore> also, I have a problem myself: I installed ubuntu 11.04b, with encrypted home folder, then I installed XFCE 4.8, but when I log in with XFCE it doesn't decrypt my home folder, so I can't access it. How can I fix this?
[08:24] <bhavesh> dunno, well i reported my bug at launchpad
[08:24] <bhavesh> the sidebar and top-bar gets blurred and any text on it gets unreadable when I switch the sleep mode OFF
[08:25] <bhavesh> also I cannot enable 3D cube
[08:26] <frybye> bhavesh: which compiz settings manager you using - simple or..?
[08:26] <bhavesh> simple
[08:27] <bhavesh> when I enable 3D cube the unity plugin crashes...
[08:27] <frybye> compiz + unity is not stable a f a i k
[08:27] <bhavesh> yes.. also no more swinging windows :(
[08:27] <frybye> does wobbly windows work??
[08:27] <bhavesh> what do u mean by wobbly?
[08:27] <bhavesh> swinging?
[08:27] <frybye> wobbley ..
[08:27] <bhavesh> lol
[08:27] <frybye> not sure of spelling in english...
[08:28] <frybye> like a jelly - wobbeling...
[08:28] <bhavesh> Oh
[08:28] <bhavesh> thats what I was tring to say by "swinging"
[08:28] <bhavesh> there's no more any option to enable them
[08:28] <bhavesh> in 10.10 I could by changing the settings to high.
[08:29] <frybye> ok - i read some place that that is supposed towork but have not tried.. cos I friend a prev. installation of natty with the ccsm
[08:29] <frybye> e e fried...
[08:29] <frybye> i.e. i screwed it up...
[08:29] <bhavesh> lol
[08:29] <bhavesh> right
[08:30] <bhavesh> got it
[08:30] <bhavesh> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22875/will-the-wobbly-windows-effect-be-in-ubuntu-11-04
[08:30] <frybye> I am letting others do the experimenting as far as compiz is concerned.. heheh
[08:31] <bhavesh> alright
[08:31] <bhavesh> I got the wobbly window
[08:31] <bhavesh> just turn ON ccsm and type wobbly... enable it
[08:31] <frybye> u used ccsm or..?
[08:31] <bhavesh> thats it
[08:32] <bhavesh> ^^
[08:32] <bhavesh> google chrome used to have its own top bar isnt it?
[08:32] <bhavesh> in 11.04 it disappeared :( :(
[08:33] <bhavesh> frybye: u got wobbly ?
[08:33] <bhavesh> I cannot add new things to the top panel =\
[08:34] <frybye> yup - with no problem...
[08:34] <bhavesh> ok
[08:35] <frybye> who want's to do that.. heheh
[08:35] <bhavesh> I just want my google chrome's bar
[08:35] <frybye> had mine full to the rim before.. hehe
[08:35] <bhavesh> it looks untidy with ubuntu's
[08:35] <bhavesh> waiting for bug fixes..
[08:35] <frybye> no chrome here... no tks - google have thier finger in far enough without that too...
[08:35] <bhavesh> ..
[08:41] <darkcore> goddammit
[08:41] <darkcore> brb fresh install
[08:41] <bhavesh> ?
[08:41] <frybye> darkcore: heavy!!
[08:42] <bhavesh> I installed 11.04 and my upgrade manager still says I need to do partial upgrade
[08:42] <bhavesh> whats wrong?
[08:42] <frybye> just accept the partial and get on with it...
[08:43] <bhavesh> ok
[08:43] <frybye> sorts itself out over a few days in my experiance..
[08:43] <bhavesh> is  it installing new upgrades?
[08:43] <frybye> just means that you have some additional stuff in your prev. install...
[08:43] <bhavesh> yes I think
[08:44] <bhavesh> its installing new stuff
[08:44] <bhavesh> frybye, is there some way to resize all desktop icons at once...?
[08:45] <frybye> the unity icons can be resized - other than that i dont know..
[08:45] <frybye> somewhere in the sys managment ..
[08:45] <frybye> there are some cool reviews of natty on youtube - you can learn a lota stuff by watching them.. i just dont have that good a memory..
[08:46] <bhavesh> OMG
[08:46] <bhavesh> Just for the record if a "partial upgrade" shows up again Don't upgrade it. They can cause serious issues and potentially break your entire system.
[08:46] <bhavesh> ___________
[08:46] <bhavesh> some guy posted on forums
[08:48] <frybye> I can only speak for my own experiance - and not too sure what the real alternatives are...
[08:48] <KM0201> bhavesh, to me, that would seem kinda obvious
[08:48] <KM0201> lol
[08:49] <bhavesh> KM0201 u are back. :)
[08:49] <frybye> either you can accept what it is offering or do a new install I guess.. at least if you don't have loads of b ackground knowledge of linux - which I personally dont have..
[08:50] <KM0201> bhavesh, been helping someone w/ an install.
[08:50] <frybye> KM0201: yeah but I understand that a partial upgrade just means often that a load of additional stuff from ppa's that one had will not automatically be upgraded and disabled till one fixes it oneself..
[08:50] <frybye> dosent necessary mean that anything will be sub-optimal with natty itself..
[08:51] <bhavesh> frybye: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475131
[08:52] <Adityab> Hi all - I just upgraded my system to natty beta 2 and the dash thing I get by clicking the 'ubuntu button' in unity isn't resizable - it just covers the whole screen
[08:52] <Adityab> with the same for other lenses
[08:53] <frybye> ok -then x- person has made y-statement on z-forum... does not mean that god has spoken on all situations and all pcs etc etc..
[08:53] <bhavesh> are u talking about that bar of the black window which comes
[08:53] <bhavesh> lol frybye
[08:54] <Adityab> bhavesh: the 'dash' - the blackish popup thing that shows when I click the 'ubuntu button'
[08:54] <frybye> Adityab: "lenses?"
[08:54] <bhavesh> ok got it aditya 1 sec
[08:55] <bhavesh> alright Adityab, see this : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/quick-tip-enable-full-screen-dash-in-natty-desktop/
[08:55] <bhavesh> do the reverse of it
[08:56] <Adityab> bhavesh: ok :) thanks. Though I wish we didn't have to open gconf for that! :)
[08:56] <bhavesh> wow now the unity sidebar isnt going in
[08:56] <bhavesh> it just says on top
[08:56] <picca> really loving ubuntu 11.04
[08:56] <bhavesh> but there are a lot of bugs
[08:56] <bhavesh> a lot
[08:57] <picca> yeah seems to crash on shutdown for me and the trash icon keeps changing randomly .. but on the whole i like unity
[08:57] <bhavesh> yup waiting for 28th april
[08:57] <picca> i am using it on a spare partition at the moment, but it seems quite stable for a beta
[08:58] <bhavesh> u have no idea about the number of bugs it has
[08:59] <picca> does it matter if you are not aware of the bugs though
[08:59] <bhavesh> my sidebar just freezed and I cant use it
[08:59] <picca> oh yeah i had that happen to me yesterday when emptying the trash
[09:00] <bhavesh> and it even blurs when I turn sleep mode OFF
[09:00] <frybye> bhavesh: lots has to do I think with which grafic card one has - and which driver being used.. if both of those play ball - then natty tends to be well behaved .. if not - probs..
[09:00] <bhavesh> lol
[09:01] <bhavesh> im going
[09:01] <picca> using an intel 945 here
[09:02] <frybye> intel generally ok I guess...
[09:03] <doobien> should one remove most of the .config files out of the home directory of Lucid  before upgrading to Natty, since it is totally different?
[09:03] <picca> unity is much better than i thought it was going to be .. though do not understand how you get more than one instance of an app (e.g. a terminal)
[09:03] <frybye> with a nvidia gt240 things have been fine since I figured how to text-install with the altern. iso and then go right in for the nvidia-current from a prompt..
[09:03] <frybye> any attempt at a gui till that was done was a no  no..
[09:04] <picca> good you got it working though
[09:05] <frybye> yeah - I now have on the amd-phenom-IIx3 box here and on a eeepc 1000h - both as dual-boot next to win7 (which I need for particular apps that 100% dont have a linux/wine soloution...
[09:06] <picca> i am running ubuntu 11.04 on my eeepc 1005ha - all the hardware is working great so far
[09:07] <frybye> yeah - efen though still a beta - natty already seems to be pretty kool... ;=)
[09:07] <picca> i am impressed with it .. can't wait for the release date
[09:08] <picca> i like the way the new interface is going and think it brings it into the same league as win7 and osx
[09:19] <xskydevilx> Can install GNOME 3 alongside the existing GNOME 2.32 inside of Natty?
[09:22] <Lorthirk> xskydevilx: afaik, there are some reports of gnome3 and gnome2 installed side by side, but with problems logging in gnome2
[09:23] <xskydevilx> Lorthirk: However, is it posssible to do?
[09:23] <Lorthirk> technically, yes
[09:23] <Lorthirk> but again, don't know if it will work without problem out of the box
[09:24] <xskydevilx> Any tutorials / instructions on how to do it available (I'm running it inside of VirtualBox, so no big deal if it doesn't work)?
[09:26] <Lorthirk> there's a gnome3 ppa for natty
[09:27] <xskydevilx> <Lorthirk
[09:27] <xskydevilx> Lorthirk: I'm kinda a newbie to GNU/Linux, so I was wondering if there is a step-by-step instructions on how to do it?
[09:28] <Lorthirk> ok, it's pretty simple :)
[09:28] <Lorthirk> in terminal:
[09:29] <Lorthirk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/595069/
[09:30] <Lorthirk> forgot to add, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade at the end
[09:30] <xskydevilx> Lorthink: Okay, I'm gonna add that after the install ugr-desktop-g3 gnome-shell has finished.
[09:32] <Rafa652> I have a small question... There's an icon in the Unity launcher that is glowing and I can't figure out what that means.
[09:32] <xskydevilx> Lorthink: Oh, and by the way, will this replace the existing GNOME or will it add an option to chose between GNOME2 and GNOME3 at the login.
[09:32] <Lorthirk> as said
[09:32] <Lorthirk> i haven't tried this myself
[09:33] <Lorthirk> but it has been said that it will add an option, but then logging in gnome2 could be compromised
[09:33] <Lorthirk> so if you care about gnome2 please keep it in mind
[09:34] <xskydevilx> Lorthirk: Thanks a lot.
[09:37] <vish> Rafa652: it means it is calling for attention, or is launching, depends on the icon animation
[09:45] <Rafa652> Oh, okay... It confused me because it's been glowing for the last hour. I guess it's just a bug.
[09:45] <Rafa652> Anyway, thanks.
[09:48] <ejv> (not trolling) will there be an option at installation time of 11.04 to install a desktop manager that's not Unity? :)
[09:48] <SwedeMike> ejv: you can choose when you login.
[09:48] <SwedeMike> at last I had that on my 11.04 installed from alpha2
[09:49] <ejv> ah ok
[09:51] <cryptk> ejv, you can choose between Unity and Ubuntu Classic (Gnome 2)
[09:55] <bhavesh> the "keep aligned" is always enabled. How can I permanently disable it?
[10:04] <buff> ejv, you could also take a look at xubuntu
[10:06] <th^^> is there any way to disable those notification bubbles? :p
[10:06] <ejv> buff: im more or less settled into gnome after using it for... ever heheh, change hurts!
[10:06]  * cryptk kinda wants to make a g3buntu... pronounced Gee-buntu
[10:07] <twager> Just reinstalled Natty amd am not getting the icons in the sidebar,The names of the apps are there for the mouse to call up though
[10:07] <cryptk> just a gnome3 ubuntu (direct from disk, no PPA action needed)
[10:07] <th^^> my X crashes every time notification pops out when i'm in some fullscreen opengl game...
[10:07] <th^^> even ctrl-alt-f1-7 pty's are black after that..
[10:07] <cryptk> wouldn't it be better to fix the problem rather than avoid it
[10:08] <buff> ejv, lol np
[10:09] <th^^> so, how to fix then :P
[10:09] <cryptk> check your systems logs and find what is broken
[10:10] <th^^> what log i should check and what to look for?
[10:10] <th^^> pretty sure guess is that ati's driver is broken and can't be fixed
[10:10] <cryptk> then try removing the ati driver to see if you are right
[10:10] <cryptk> then if that makes it go away, look for a more recent version than you are using
[10:10] <th^^> not really an option, open driver sucks
[10:10] <th^^> :/
[10:10] <cryptk> these are basic troubleshooting skills
[10:11] <cryptk> I never said to use the open driver
[10:11] <cryptk> I said remove the prop one to see if it is causing problems, after you verify that, look for a new one
[10:11] <th^^> i think natty's ati driver is the latest
[10:11] <cryptk> there may be a newer release that isn't in your repos
[10:11] <cryptk> and I think the numbers on my lotto ticket are gonna win
[10:14] <tsnyder91> Hello?
[10:16] <cryptk> hola
[10:17]  * cryptk adds a blog article on how to debug and troubleshoot issues with an unknown cause to his list of blog articles to write
[10:18] <cryptk> btw, this may be a good place to ask this... I am starting a blog... it will just be ramblings of an Ubuntu administrator... anyone have any topics that they would like me to cover?
[10:18] <th^^> Versions of Catalyst downloaded directly from AMD will not work on Natty/11.04 at this time.
[10:18] <th^^> :(
[10:18] <cryptk> well that's bollocks
[10:18] <cryptk> hrm..
[10:18] <cryptk> have you removed the catalyst driver and seen if you get the same behavior with the other driver?
[10:19] <th^^> nop, it does not happen with open driver
[10:20] <cryptk> ok, so we know it is related to catalyst, maybe not a bug in catalyst, but wherever it lies, catalyst brings out the bug
[10:20] <cryptk> anything in the Xorg logs?
[10:20] <th^^> meh, gotta just remember to close im's etc when playing
[10:20] <cryptk> /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[10:22] <th^^> nope, i don't see anything suspious there
[10:22] <th^^> it sort of doesn't 'crash' but, screen goes to bunch of random colors and tty's in 1-7 are black
[10:23] <th^^> gotta try if it happens only in unity or with regular gnome/compiz too.. and with classic with no effects..
[10:31] <bullgard4> My Gajim 0.13.4 forgets its password although I asserted "Keep in mind password". I deleted Gajim's configuration file and confgured Gajim anew. But things did not change. In seahorse > "Passwords and Encryption" > Passwords > Passwords:login there is no Gajim entry. How can I enter here the Gajim password?
[10:33] <cryptk> th^^, sounds like a good plan
[10:34] <kaushal> hi
[10:34] <kaushal> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574 support Unity 3D ?
[10:42] <kazboris> hi, i'm testing 11.04 on a notebook (levnovo idealpad y560) and having problems with overheating.  /proc/acpi/fan is present when I boot in 10.10, but it is missing in 11.04. Shoud I fill a bug?
[10:43] <bullgard4> kazboris: Yes.
[10:44] <kazboris> ok
[10:44] <bullgard4> kazboris: Be careful to operate your notebook computer for longer times in 11.04. You may destroy it.
[10:45] <kazboris> thanx, I'll be careful.
[11:06] <kaushal> is there a Mailing List for this channel ?
[11:12] <bazhang> kaushal, not to my knowledge, you can subscribe to mailing lists and check though, there are also logs
[11:12] <bazhang> !1984 | kaushal
[11:12] <bazhang> !lists
[11:12] <bazhang> kaushal, ^
[11:37] <Guest21820> holla everyone
[11:37] <coz_> good day all
[11:37] <Guest21820> where is the update catalgoe button of software center ?
[11:37] <Guest21820> coz_ aussie ?
[11:37] <coz_> Guest21820,   no  italian
[11:38] <Guest21820> nice, cause of good day i thought you are aussie.
[11:38] <coz_> Guest21820,  oh!  what time is it there?
[11:39] <Guest21820> 20:09
[11:39] <Guest21820> or 8:09 PM if you talk am pm
[11:39] <coz_> Guest21820,  ah ok   it is 6:40 am here
[11:40] <kabads> I just tried to install flightgear on natty, but got a dependency problem - is this a bug (and if so, where do I file it)?
[11:40] <cryptk> coz_, good day is just a common Australian saying for "hello" or "what's up", kinda slang of sorts
[11:40] <ome> yeah
[11:41] <coz_> cryptk,  ah yes  "good dye"  :)
[11:41] <ome> its the used more thing anything else
[11:41] <ome> Gud Dai !
[11:41] <coz_> :)
[11:42] <ome> wait wait
[11:42] <Jerub> "Good Day" is perfectly good, if a little bit archaic, english.
[11:42] <ome> what did i just said ?
[11:42] <ome> its the used more thing anything else
[11:42] <ome> lolz
[11:42] <ome> its used more then anything else*
[11:42] <Jerub> We australians shorten it to g'day, but that's local slang.
[11:43] <ome> ok
[11:43] <ome> now what happend to my question ?
[11:43] <ome> where is the update cataloge button in software center ?
[11:44] <coz_> I will ,, from this point on say   "g'dye"
[11:44] <coz_> ome,  I would have to check on my other system with natty ,, hold on
[11:45] <buff27> coz are you aussie?
[11:45] <ome> thanks coz_
[11:45] <coz_> ome,  which apparenlty  is frozen :(  hold on
[11:45] <ome> its ok
[11:47] <coz_> ome,  i dont see an update catalogue button
[11:47] <ome> i know
[11:47] <ome> i looked my self but couldn't find
[11:48] <ome> i go to synaptic and update it from there
[11:48] <ome> i thought someone else might find it
[11:48] <coz_> ome,   mm actually I prefer synaptic over  software center  ..my opinion
[11:48] <ome> true that
[11:49] <ome> but I am gonna make a video thing
[11:49] <coz_> also,, guys I notice with yesterday's updates that   easystroke no longer works properly
[11:49] <coz_> I may have to report a bug  ..but will update first
[11:55] <bullgard4> My Gajim 0.13.4 forgets its password although I asserted "Keep in mind password". I deleted Gajim's configuration file and confgured Gajim anew. But things did not change. In seahorse > "Passwords and Encryption" > Passwords > Passwords:login there is no Gajim entry. How can I enter here the Gajim password?
[11:55] <psalden> anyone tried installing gnome3 and got the top bar messed up in colors too? by now gnome3 seems to be working pretty well here except for just that
[11:59] <coz_> psalden,  I have not installed gnome3 ,, I most likely wont even test it
[11:59] <kroson> coz_: using unity? xD
[12:00] <coz_> kroson,  well on the one machine I use natty  classic gnome no effect ,, but I dont like gnome's insistent path to get rid of compiz  which is far superior than mutter in my opinion
[12:01] <kroson> coz_: true, then its an advantage of unity, using compiz
[12:01] <kroson> what i think is that mutter may be less buggy than compiz, thats why they used it
[12:01] <kroson> :S
[12:02] <coz_> kroson,  I dont think so,, the only advantage mutter has is more developers working on it
[12:02] <kroson> it will eventually become better than
[12:02] <kroson> and compiz might get supported soon, lets see
[12:03] <coz_> kroson,  not possible with mutter,, mutter is a compositor / window manager  as is compiz  ,, only one can be used at any given time
[12:03] <coz_> considering that compiz has essentially only one developer  and mutter many,, compiz is still ahead of the game
[12:04] <psalden> I'm hardly familiar with any details regarding the two, but it might be part of gnome's attempt in creating its own 'identity', thereby limiting customization
[12:05] <coz_> psalden,  that has been their montra for some time... "limiting"  is always in their phylosophy
[12:05] <kroson> yes, but with 3.0 it became worse lol
[12:05] <kroson> well it is prettier and looks better, but still lacks customization
[12:05] <coz_> this is true,, had they gone the "clever windows" route ,, i may have been impressed
[12:06] <psalden> hmm, what's that 'clever windows'?
[12:06] <coz_> the move to Unity / compiz was a bright light  for ubuntu
[12:06] <coz_> psalden,  hold on  will get lin k
[12:07] <kroson> coz_: just help me on this. If ubuntu uses unity on top of gnome3 for the next release, will they be able to use compiz?
[12:07] <coz_> psalden,    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsZvwyxJ9vk
[12:07] <coz_> but compiz already has most of that stuff
[12:07] <coz_> including aero snap
[12:08] <coz_> kroson,  no  because gnome3 is mutter  and that is a window manager,, you would have to disable mutter to run compiz,, and I doubt gnome3 is going to allow that
[12:08] <psalden> thanks coz_ and agreed, that's really cool
[12:08] <kroson> so are they keeping the current base for the next release?
[12:09] <coz_> psalden,  that was advertised as  "gnome3  clever windows"  it was just a mock up  and never realized
[12:09] <coz_> kroson,  I dont know,, I haven't kept up with gnome3's progress or vision of it's future
[12:10] <kroson> ok
[12:10] <psalden> yeah guess so coz_
[12:10] <psalden> I have been trying to google around on that issue btw but I didn't really find anything stating that unity would be based on gnome3 in the future
[12:11] <coz_> psalden,  unity  has gnome3  , I believe , in the repository,,, not sure of its functionality,,
[12:11] <psalden> biggest issue with both unity and gnome3 for me at the moment is the crappy performance on my high-end pc
[12:12] <coz_> psalden,  oh?  Unity is not working well there?
[12:12] <psalden> coz_: I'm pretty sure you need to add an experimental repository, which will actually break unity
[12:12] <coz_> psalden,  ah  that sounds right
[12:12] <psalden> well moving windows around shocks a lot, if you know what I mean
[12:12] <psalden> looks terrible, visually
[12:12] <coz_> psalden,  mm  which video card do you have?
[12:12] <psalden> and on an i7 with radeon 6970 that shouldn't be the case :p
[12:13] <coz_> ah
[12:13] <psalden> might be drivers for the latter, though
[12:13] <coz_> psalden,  the safest t hing to assume at this point is t hat you are running beta software
[12:13] <eruditehermit> hey, can anyone help me with getting middle mouse click and scrolling to work on my touchpad?
[12:13] <coz_> psalden,   last judgement is when 11.04 is released
[12:13] <psalden> coz_: let's hope :)
[12:13] <psalden> right now I'm a happy xubuntu 11.04 user and can just test the others to my liking :p
[12:14] <coz_> eruditehermit,  I doubt I can help with that,, I never use laptops
[12:14] <coz_> eruditehermit,  stick around..someone should have much more experience with that than I do
[12:14] <eruditehermit> thanks
[12:14] <kroson> psalden: afaik, gnome-shell doesnt work with fglrx
[12:15] <psalden> lemme show you
[12:15] <kroson> and the radeon driver is not very good for your high-end card, if it works at all, dunno
[12:16] <psalden> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11848505/gnome3.png
[12:16] <psalden> just figured you need to install a few themes from the repository yourself and now it's looking ok'ish
[12:16] <psalden> except for the top bar as you can see
[12:16] <psalden> and indeed it's slow as hell
[12:17] <psalden> but it 'works' :)
[12:18] <kroson> what graphics driver do you use on unity?
[12:18] <psalden> must admit I haven't tried in a while
[12:19] <psalden> think I used a ubuntu-supplied version of fglrx 'back then'
[12:19] <coz_> psalden,  have you talked about this on #radeon channel?
[12:20] <coz_> the problem is , on most channels. is that 11.04 is still beta software
[12:20] <kroson> coz_: well, and it is :)
[12:20] <psalden> yeah not really yet
[12:20] <kroson> that may be a problem, but the biggest one is with the drivers
[12:21] <psalden> for now I'm fine with xfce and yeah, let's wait for it to be released I guess
[12:21] <kroson> be patient, drivers will get better for your card, that is very recent, from the end of the last year
[12:21] <coz_> psalden,  although reporting a bug now would be a good idea
[12:22] <psalden> might be right there... where to report to though? is this an ubuntu bug or a radeon one or? :)
[12:22] <coz_> psalden,  probably  a bug report to both radeon and ubuntu     with driver/card
[12:23] <psalden> well thinking about it it's probably radeon... when I enable compositing in xfce it's also far from fluent
[12:23] <psalden> but yeah, guess I should take some time and report it to some places
[12:23] <coz_> psalden,  it will , at the very least. bring attention to the issue
[12:24] <psalden> the driver got an upgrade yesterday btw, some improvement but far from what it should be
[12:24] <coz_> psalden,  I agree it is most likely the driver...
[12:26] <topyli> hm. i thought the chromium webapp window-class stuff was fixed in unity, but my gmail app is still grouped with the main chromium entry :(
[12:26] <psalden> ah we'll see where it goes
[12:26]  * psalden will file some bug reports tonight
[12:33] <psalden> coz_: I take it nvidia drivers are confirmed to do this (much) better?
[12:34] <coz_> psalden, well to be honest... i prefer nvidia over ati ,,,  intel is even more reliable
[12:34] <coz_> psalden,  but that is my personal opinion
[12:34] <coz_> psalden,  althought the nvidia drivers are not opensource,,  they are more reliable for the most part
[12:35] <psalden> I can always try to exchange this card for an equal nvidia one, but doubt they'll let me :p
[12:35] <coz_> psalden, now with nouveau  on it's way up... it may even get better for nvidia users
[12:35] <coz_> psalden,   there are people probably on this channel as well as #ubuntu and others that swear by ati ... they would be the people to speak with ,, for sure
[12:37] <psalden> yeah I guess
[12:37] <psalden> maybe they have some miracle solution to this then :)
[12:37] <coz_> psalden,  possible :)
[12:40] <_|pegasus|_> Hello ;) I reinstalled my natty b2. I've a backup of my home folder which i wanted to use - but the permissions ran me into trouble. What's the default for my /home/user folder in relation to its permissions?
[12:47] <coz_> _|pegasus|_,   i believe it s hould be -rw-r--r-- 1
[12:47] <coz_> _|pegasus|_,  for the home directory
[12:48] <coz_> _|pegasus|_,  you could in terminal try   ls -la /home/yourname/.dmrc
[12:48] <coz_> _|pegasus|_,   or try   sudo chmod 600 /home/<user>/.dmrc
[12:49] <_|pegasus|_> coz_: r--r--r--
[12:49] <coz_> sudo chmod 644 ~whoever/.dmrc
[12:49] <coz_> ^^ I believe that should give you the correct permissions
[12:49] <_|pegasus|_> i wanted to know, which users/groups have permissions to it - by default
[12:50] <_|pegasus|_> coz_: thnx :) problem solved
[12:50] <coz_> _|pegasus|_,  which part solved it?
[12:51] <penguin42> it's interesting, gnome3's gdm doesn't seem to have a language setting, and LANG etc are all unset
[12:51] <_|pegasus|_> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /path/to/new/home
[12:51] <coz_> _|pegasus|_,  cool
[12:51] <psalden> coz_: I fear going on about this in #ubuntu will just get me caught in a fanboy war :p
[12:51] <coz_> psalden,  going on about the driver issue you m ean?  or gome3?
[12:52] <psalden> nah the driver mostly
[12:52] <coz_> gnome3
[12:52] <coz_> sorry
[12:53] <coz_> psalden,  there are a few people there that use ati,,,  I am not one of them,,, Dr_willis is not one,,, but I am sure they are there,,, just asking a question is fine,, however the problem is you are on 11.04  and they will just  direct you to this channel :)
[12:53] <ali12341> i've never heard anyone try to claim that ATI drivers are good
[12:53] <ali12341> the best i have ever heard about them is "well they are getting better"
[12:54] <kaushal> hi
[12:54] <coz_> kabads,  hey welcome
[12:54] <kaushal> Can someone please guide me about this hardware -> http://www.dell.com/in/business/p/vostro-3500/pd?~ck=anav
[12:55] <kaushal> This has been certified on Ubuntu
[12:55] <psalden> coz_: the pozic guy actually offered to help me in pm, let's see if he can get anything done
[12:55] <coz_> psalden,  cool
[12:55] <coz_> kaushal,   you want this system for linux ...yes?
[12:55] <kaushal> The Video Card mentioned in the specs, will it enable Unity 3D ?
[12:56] <kaushal> Basically i want to procure this hardware
[12:56] <psalden> coz_: do you know him by any chance? he suggests I give him access to my machine, which I don't have problems with per se but a little checking wouldn't be bad :p
[12:56] <kaushal> coz_: please suggest
[12:56] <coz_> kaushal,   that video card should be more than adequate
[12:56] <bazhang> psalden, bad idea
[12:57] <kaushal> coz_: ok
[12:57] <coz_> psalden,  I do not know him,, but I generally dont allow access to my machine nor do I ask to go into someone's machine,, but that is your personal decision
[12:57] <psalden> yeah ok guess so, thanks
[12:57] <kaushal> coz_: How did you guessed though, just curious to know ?
[12:57] <coz_> kaushal,  you know there are companies that sell linux computers with ubuntu preinstalled,,,yes?
[12:57] <kaushal> yes
[12:57] <coz_> kaushal,   system76  is one
[12:57] <kaushal> yeah
[12:58] <coz_> kaushal,  I doubt you can go wrong with nvidia I have used a 7300gt  nvidia card and unity worked just fine
[12:59] <kaushal> 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 310M
[12:59] <coz_> kaushal,  that particular card on that system is far more advanced than my 7300gt   so I am guessing it should be fine,,,
[12:59] <kaushal> so that video card will enable unity 3D ?
[12:59] <coz_> kaushal,  sure should... after installing the nvidia driver
[12:59] <incorrect> the only issue i have with nvidia is that during boot you end up at a text console, i encrypt my home partition, if i didn't know to type my password i would be stuck
[12:59] <coz_> kaushal,   you can google    ubuntu  thatcard    to see if there have been issues
[13:00] <incorrect> on my netbook with its intel gfx i get a lovely gui to type my password into
[13:00] <kaushal> Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator
[13:00] <kaushal> what does that mean
[13:00] <kaushal> based on the specs
[13:00] <incorrect> kaushal, means you got an intel gfx chip
[13:00] <coz_> kaushal,  ooo  if it has intel video on board  as well as nivida there could be issues,,,
[13:01] <incorrect> disable the intel in the bios
[13:01] <kaushal> ooo ?
[13:01] <coz_> kaushal,  in that case   you would want to use the intel onboard
[13:01] <coz_> kaushal,  I have seen very strange issues occur on systems with both after installing the nvidia driver
[13:01] <kaushal> so they are 2 separate Video Cards ?
[13:02] <coz_> kaushal,  if I am reading that correctly ,, yes
[13:02] <kaushal> One is onboard and other addon ?
[13:02] <coz_> kabads,  and in that case you have to use  intel
[13:02] <coz_> kaushal,  oh!
[13:02] <genec> coz_, incorrect: most add-in GPUs take the graphics PCI connection from onboard
[13:02] <kaushal> coz_: so which one you recommend ?
[13:02] <coz_> kaushal,   well still... if it has intel onboard and nvidia as addon...you would still have to use the intel
[13:03] <coz_> kaushal,   I would reccomend finding a system with nvidia as the only and primary  video chip
[13:03] <kaushal> ok
[13:03] <coz_> kaushal,  that's why I suggested sites like system76  and many others
[13:03] <incorrect> genec, i've avoided buying a mobo with onboard for years so i wouldn't really know
[13:03] <genec> kaushal: do you have the nv in the system now?
[13:03] <kaushal> genec: I have planned to buy it
[13:04] <genec> incorrect: I manage ~1000 pcs @work; 1/3+ have add-in and onboard intel
[13:04] <kaushal> I mean Dell Vostro 3500
[13:04] <incorrect> i only do servers
[13:04] <coz_> genec,  you have addon nvidia with onboard intel ...yes?
[13:04] <incorrect> my servers aren't even real any more
[13:05] <genec> 8 have onboard nv w/ add-in ati and the onboard is also hidden there
[13:06] <genec> coz_: my point: if you have onboard intel then add PCIe in graphics-designated slot, onboard disappears
[13:06] <coz_> genec,  ah ok nvidia / ati combination should not pose an issue,, for some reason intel/ nvidia  has caused issues the most extreme was  an upside down and reversed funtional desktop
[13:06] <genec> I think that's Intel's design so BIOS can't choose
[13:07] <coz_> genec,  it should be possibel to disable the onboard for sure ,, still I have seen issue s  but you are right :)
[13:07] <kaushal> USB 2.0/eSATA combo (1)
[13:07] <genec> coz_: I have 2 groups Intel/NV and no issues
[13:07] <kaushal> what does that mean ?
[13:07] <kaushal> which devices support esata
[13:07] <kaushal> I mean external sata ?
[13:08] <coz_> genec,  but you didnt install the actual nvidia driver on those system right?
[13:08] <genec> coz_: with some I can actually disable add-in but not reverse
[13:08] <genec> coz_: no.  but PCI listing doesn't show onboard
[13:09] <coz_> genec,  ok... all I know for sure is systems with both chipsets  ... intel / nvidia  onboard   only the intel can be used
[13:09] <genec> incorrect: what virtualizer?
[13:10] <coz_> genec,  virtualizer?
[13:10] <genec> coz_: intel+nv onboard?
[13:10] <incorrect> well, my server in the garage runs kvm
[13:10] <incorrect> mostly because hudson has a plugin to spin up and down vm's for builds
[13:10] <genec> coz_: kvm, xen, esx(i), etc
[13:10] <coz_> genec, yes both onboard ,, there are several laptops we have encountered with both onboard
[13:11] <incorrect> but work they contract that out
[13:11] <incorrect> which is sad as i used to have a server far of 300 servers
[13:11] <coz_> lol genec   you kept saying   "incorrect"   I didnt realize it was someone here with that nick
[13:12] <coz_> duh
[13:13] <genec> coz_: both onboard seems strange; I've seen laptops with onboard Intel optional add-in NV and the Intel becomes hidden
[13:13] <coz_> genec,  right for sure,, I was puzzled when we first encountered this..but they exist  :)
[13:14] <genec> coz_: I've also seen where the "add-in" is actually in the motherboard
[13:14] <hardcold> Hey coz_, I got it working right after you went to lunch
[13:14] <coz_> genec,  oh?  that sounds odd to my ears too :)
[13:14] <coz_> hardcold,  oh !  cool
[13:15] <hardcold> yeah, I went to bed feeling very good, and it works great
[13:15] <coz_> hardcold,  excellent :)
[13:15] <hardcold> thanks for your assistance
[13:15] <coz_> hardcold,  no problem  just glad it works
[13:15] <genec> coz_: chipset-wise, it's an add-in and PCI-wise it's an add-in architecturally.  it's just built into the same board attached to the PCIe graphics pins
[13:15] <coz_> genec,  oh ok   understood
[13:16] <genec> coz_: it's just that the GPU chip happens to be mounted on the mobo PCB
[13:16] <penguin42> isn't this what the VGA switcheroo is for?
[13:16] <coz_> genec,  ok now I understand,,,
[13:17] <coz_> penguin42,  well with the systems we talked about with an "addon" feature  the onboard should disable automatically when the addon card is installed
[13:17] <coz_> penguin42,  with dual chipset systems  that doesnt seem to be the case,,
[13:17] <genec> coz_: instead of a separate PCB, yes
[13:18] <penguin42> coz_: It is on some laptops; my work laptop has intel+ati and you can switch between them
[13:18] <genec> penguin42: auto-detect versus force onboard?
[13:18] <penguin42> genec: You can force it in either direction in the bios or you can dynamically change from the OS
[13:18] <coz_> penguin42,  mm  ok ... I am not up on all laptop configurations... i only recall about 5 systems with intel / nvidia that would not work with the nvidia driver
[13:19] <genec> penguin42: wow.  that's unique.
[13:19] <penguin42> genec: No, it's pretty common in the last few years
[13:19] <coz_> mm  then hopefully the systems with both intel / nvidia will have this option as well
[13:19] <penguin42> genec: The idea is when you do normal office stuff you run with the lower power intel and when you want some 3d action you boot up the nvidia
[13:19] <genec> penguin42: I guess I haven't played enough with the mixed laptops recently
[13:20] <coz_> they are out there :)
[13:20] <penguin42> genec: I know the kernel feature for it is called VGA switcheroo, I'm not sure how you actually use it
[13:20] <genec> penguin42: nice idea; makes sense.  most of the discrete cards in the desktops I manage add ~10 watts idling.
[13:20] <penguin42> genec/coz_: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Vga_switcheroo seems to be some notes on it
[13:21] <coz_> penguin42,  oh a re compile of the kernel ... ooo
[13:22] <penguin42> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics has the ubuntu setup - it's already on in the ubuntu kernel
[13:22] <penguin42> right, breakfast
[13:23] <coz_> oo I need breakfast also... but need to read that hybrid grphics section
[13:26] <genec> I see lots of how to use but I wonder if anyone has a list of some systems...
[13:35] <bullgard4> My Gajim 0.13.4 forgets its password although I asserted "Keep in mind password". I deleted Gajim's configuration file and confgured Gajim anew. But things did not change. In seahorse > "Passwords and Encryption" > Passwords > Passwords:login there is no Gajim entry. How can I enter here the Gajim password?
[13:39] <bhavesh> my bug was assigned "incomplete" becoz I did not attach any screenshot to it, After I attached a screenshot do I have permissiong to change its status?
[13:40] <ceed^> 24 hour Unity use without one single problem. A week ago I had an issue every few minutes.
[13:42] <Jerub> ceed^: does the launcher search work properly now?
[13:43] <Jerub> ceed^: when i tried it a week ago, if you quickly typed a command name and hit enter, it would launch whatever was the previous top result
[13:45] <ceed^> Jerub: Yes search has worked for me since the last update. Even the Gwibber lens works well now.
[13:50] <bhavesh> anyone using google chrome on 11.04 got the black top bar instead of chrome's classic one?
[13:57] <bhavesh> each time I open or close some window all the windows in background wobble...
[13:57] <KM0201> are you using chrome (from google) or chromium?
[13:57] <bhavesh> chromium
[13:57] <KM0201> the wobbling, thats probably some compiz effect
[13:58] <bhavesh> KM0201: in ubuntu 10.10 chromium had its classic top bar.. but not in 11.04
[13:58] <bhavesh> I think ill have to reinstall chrome
[13:58] <bhavesh> mium
[14:00] <KM0201> bhavesh, it looks perfectly normal to me
[14:00] <KM0201> no black, etc.
[14:00] <bhavesh> lemme show u scrnshot..
[14:01] <th^^> how i can 'bind' applications to protocols with unity/gnome?
[14:01] <th^^> foobar://address -> launch something
[14:02] <bhavesh> KM0201: http://i.imgur.com/XRV4k.png
[14:03] <KM0201> bhavesh, are you talking about whats right there on the tab bar?
[14:03] <bhavesh> I am talking about the bar which is below my cursor
[14:03] <th^^> mrrrh.. there must be some dialog somewhere to configure this :p
[14:03] <bhavesh> mouse pointer..
[14:04] <KM0201> bhavesh, have you tried right clicking the the area where the title bar is, and uncheck "Use System Title Bars"
[14:04] <KM0201> i think that will get what you want
[14:04] <bhavesh> KM0201: where..?
[14:05] <KM0201> bhavesh, right click, right beside one of your tabs (but not on one of hte +'s.. the open space) and uncheck "Use system title bars"
[14:06] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok right by top bar is now invisible and I cannot move my window lol
[14:06] <bhavesh> KM0201: ah got right :D
[14:06] <bhavesh> thanks
[14:06] <KM0201> bhavesh, you can still move it (or at least i can)
[14:06] <KM0201> bhavesh, but i think i found a bug.
[14:06] <KM0201> maximize your chromium browser
[14:06] <bhavesh> i did
[14:06] <KM0201> and then hit the "square" to make it smaller.
[14:06] <KM0201> and the title bar comes back, but that option is still unchecked
[14:06] <bhavesh> did
[14:07] <KM0201> strange
[14:07] <bhavesh> nope its all fine here
[14:07] <KM0201> really?
[14:07] <bhavesh> ye.
[14:07] <KM0201> when i maximize mine(by double clicking), then make it smaller again.. the title bar is back, even though its unchecked
[14:08] <KM0201> very strange
[14:08] <bhavesh> I double click that also tried maximizing & minimizing with button
[14:08] <bhavesh> its all good..
[14:08] <KM0201> hmm, weird...
[14:09] <bhavesh> maybe becoz u are using unity?
[14:09] <bhavesh> I really hate unity now..
[14:09] <bhavesh> all it has is a bar
[14:09] <bhavesh> just a bar
[14:09] <KM0201> oh, that maybe.. i'm using unity.
[14:09] <KM0201> i actually like it
[14:09] <bhavesh> comeon I am not using laptop or netbook
[14:09] <bhavesh> it looks really bad on a desktop
[14:09] <KM0201> lol
[14:09] <bhavesh> well I need to fix my partitions :P
[14:10] <KM0201> i'm on a laptop.. but honestly, i might keep it on my desktop when i upgrade there
[14:10] <jiohdi> you can change to the old stand bys like xfce lxde gnome kde etc
[14:10] <bhavesh> I use gnome2 now..
[14:10] <bhavesh> unswap my 3 partitions and format them?
[14:10] <jiohdi> I am currently using xfce
[14:10] <jiohdi> + docky
[14:10] <bhavesh> xfce is desktop environment?
[14:11] <jiohdi> yes
[14:11] <jiohdi> light weight
[14:11] <bhavesh> k
[14:11] <jiohdi> lighter than iceWM at times
[14:11] <jiohdi> which supprized me
[14:12] <bhavesh> in gnome 2 I cannot remove the unwanted file derictories from main menu
[14:12] <bhavesh> like applications > wine > c drive
[14:12] <bhavesh> I cannot remove one of them..
[14:12] <jiohdi> there should be something under preference or system to alter the main menu
[14:13] <coz_> jibel_,  it should be under  system/preferences/ main menu
[14:13] <jiohdi> auto name is working I see
[14:14] <hardcold> where are applications located? I have a music stream I want rhythm box to play, but don't know where to find the app in the box that pops up when you hit "other" in FireFox (default is Movie Player)
[14:14] <jiohdi> /usr/bin
[14:14] <bhavesh> ty coz_
[14:15] <jiohdi> bin short for binaries
[14:15] <coz_> bhavesh,  oh what did I do ?
[14:15] <jiohdi> there you will find, most, but not all of the apps
[14:15] <bhavesh> u said system> preferences> main menu
[14:15] <coz_> oh ! :)
[14:15] <jiohdi> some may be under /etc
[14:15] <coz_> bhavesh,  yeah that is calle    alacarte   application
[14:16] <coz_> hardcold,  you could also right click the applications... open with... add rhythimbox
[14:16] <coz_> rather click "Add"  and choose rhythmbox
[14:17] <coz_> and rather  right click the file  got to Open with
[14:17] <hardcold> do I choose "rhythm box" or "rhtyhm box-client"?
[14:17] <coz_> hardcold,  rhythmbox
[14:17] <bhavesh> coz_: alacarte app ? for?
[14:17] <coz_> bhavesh,  alacarte is the name of the menu editor  so if you opened a terminal and typed     alacarte the same dialog would open
[14:18] <bhavesh> Oh ok
[14:18] <bhavesh> I need help downloading correct driver for my nVidia card on 11.04
[14:18] <coz_> bhavesh,  it should be in  jockey-gtk
[14:18] <coz_> bhavesh,  or  system/ administration/ additional drivers
[14:19] <bhavesh> I dont want the default driver which ubuntu provides
[14:19] <KM0201> why?
[14:19] <bhavesh> cant I download another one which would work from nvidia.com
[14:19] <bhavesh> KM0201: mainly becoz some ppl say its not always the correct one
[14:19] <bhavesh> its not working good :(
[14:19] <coz_> bhavesh,  well  I wouldnt at this point... ubuntu has been blocking that from working well and it could cause issues ,, however,, I am sure there are "how to's" online for it
[14:19] <KM0201> i'd say most people are crazy... the restricted driver has always been flawless for me
[14:20] <bhavesh> my card is
[14:20] <bhavesh> that from working well and it could cause issues ,, however,, I am sure there are "how to's" online for it
[14:20] <bhavesh> oh wrong paste
[14:20] <bhavesh> my card is : NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
[14:20] <KM0201> bhavesh, and just to show i'm not crazy..... http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=ram.mp4
[14:21] <coz_> by the way  a la carte litterly translated is     "of the menu"  or   "by the menu"
[14:21] <KM0201> looks like a bug t me.
[14:21] <KM0201> lol, although not a serious one
[14:22] <bhavesh> and I dunno what to select from this : http://www.nvidia.co.in/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-in
[14:22] <bhavesh> I dont find any GeForce 6150SE in it
[14:22] <bhavesh> :(
[14:22] <coz_> bhavesh,  that would be  gforce 6 serirs
[14:22] <bhavesh> its just 400, 500 series..
[14:22] <KM0201> bhavesh, i personally wouldn't do that.. but.. thats just my opinion.
[14:22] <bhavesh> ok
[14:22] <bhavesh> I would like to try it out.
[14:23] <coz_> bhavesh,  do you know how to run that ?
[14:23] <bhavesh> erm no
[14:23] <coz_> bhavesh,   if it runs doesnt mean it is going to work
[14:23] <KM0201> when your PC turns into a cool box of plastic.. lemme knw... :)
[14:23] <bhavesh> ..
[14:23] <bhavesh> It seems I should not install but..
[14:23] <jiohdi> bricks can be useful
[14:23] <bhavesh> the current one is not runny well
[14:23] <coz_> bhavesh,  well once downloaded you first need to be sure you have   certain things installed
[14:23] <KM0201> jiohdi, only when building a sidewalk
[14:23] <coz_> hold on
[14:23] <bhavesh> i mean its lagging
[14:23] <KM0201> bhavesh, well what makes you think its a video driver that is causing it to lag?
[14:23] <jiohdi> you can always back up the important stuff and reinstall as needed, its not that hard
[14:24] <coz_> bhavesh,   you need  build-essential
[14:24] <KM0201> jiohdi, true...
[14:24] <jiohdi> in my first couple of linux months I think I re-installed about a dozen times
[14:24] <KM0201> well yeah...lol
[14:24] <coz_> bhavesh,  then  ctrl+alt+F1 ...log in... cd to the location of t hat downloaded driver and then run     sudo sh NV     << hit the tab button to complete the name,,,say yes to all questions  then reboot with    sudo  init 6
[14:25] <bhavesh> O.o
[14:25] <coz_> bhavesh,  but it may not work  or it might break things
[14:25] <jiohdi> since 9.4 and a new computer, I have not had to reinstall in possibly over two years now
[14:25] <coz_> bhavesh,  then y ou would have to uninstall it
[14:25] <bhavesh> its not even in the list
[14:26] <coz_> bhavesh,  to uninstall a manually installed nvidia driver you would use this command     sudo /usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall
[14:26] <bhavesh> 6150 SE is not in the list
[14:26] <coz_> bhavesh,  that is the gforce 6 series
[14:26] <bhavesh> ik.. i am talking abt the options in product
[14:26] <jiohdi> if an app is in bin you do not need the path to make it run, nvideia-installer --uninstall should work
[14:27] <bhavesh> there is 6150 LE and one with only "6150" but no 6150 SE
[14:27] <coz_> bhavesh,  it has a 6150  in that list
[14:27] <bhavesh> yup
[14:27] <coz_> bhavesh,  that is the one to use
[14:28] <bhavesh> right before installing... I am already thrilled by KM0201's statement "when your PC turns into a cool box of plastic.. lemme knw... :)"
[14:28] <coz_> bhavesh,  if it fails to install because of kernel compatibility then just type   sudo   restart gdm
[14:28] <KM0201> bhavesh, you never, never know... :)
[14:28] <bhavesh> and u said " it may crash things up"
[14:29] <jiohdi> btw, just found a nice little program called kmousetool which allows you to just hover to make it click, no clicking required
[14:29] <coz_> bhavesh,  I have not tried installing the official nvidia driver on natty ,, let me try it on my other machine hold on
[14:29] <bhavesh> ok
[14:36] <coz_> bhavesh,  ok it installed an rebooting now hold on
[14:38] <coz_> mmm taking extra long to reboot  hold on
[14:39] <KM0201> feel the fail!
[14:39] <KM0201> ;)
[14:39] <coz_> bhavesh,  ok tried another reboot..  even though the driver installed with no errors.. so far it is NOT booting properly
[14:40] <coz_> stuck after checking battery state
[14:40] <KM0201> \o/
[14:40] <coz_>  nature call be right back
[14:42] <bhavesh> O.O
[14:42] <jiohdi> o.O
[14:43] <jiohdi> is the official release still 042911?
[14:43] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[14:44] <bhavesh> lol
[14:44] <Feldegast> #kubuntu+1 is invite only, i just upgraded to kubuntu 10.10 to test it and want to discuss issues i am seeing
[14:44] <KM0201> jiohdi, i would anticipate the 28/29th... maybe even the 30th.
[14:44] <KM0201> Feldegast, thats cuz kubuntu sucks.
[14:44] <Feldegast> er upgraded to kibunti 11.04
[14:45] <KM0201> i've never understood why they made their +1 channel invite only.
[14:45] <KM0201> gof igure.
[14:45]  * Feldegast never liked the gnome interface
[14:45] <ali12341> bug 703988
[14:45] <ali12341> supposedly that bug is fixed, but i can reproduce it with fully updated natty
[14:45] <KM0201> i tried KDE the other day on a USB drive(live usb).. i swear after 15min i was ready to set my laptop on fire
[14:45] <KM0201> how frustrating
[14:46] <coz_> ok back and still has now booted
[14:46] <coz_> not booted rather
[14:46] <coz_> time for a reinstall :)
[14:46] <bhavesh> lol
[14:46] <bhavesh> so it failed?
[14:46] <KM0201> w00t!
[14:47] <KM0201> coz_, can you boot rescue and uninstall the driver?
[14:47] <bhavesh> well ty for testing it for me :)
[14:47] <KM0201> *recovery
[14:47] <KM0201> bhavesh, its the +1 channels motto... "We spend 4mo reinstallng Ubuntu, so you don't have to"
[14:48] <bhavesh> KM0201: 4mo?
[14:48] <coz_> KM0201,  I am in text console now so I will uninstall to see what damage was caused
[14:48] <KM0201> coz_, gotcha
[14:48] <KM0201> bhavesh, yeah, there's only 6mo between releases
[14:48] <bhavesh> oh months..
[14:48] <Feldegast> in kubuntu for 10.10, i have my taskbar at the bottom of the screen, in 11.04 it is still at the bottom but the menu's and popups all apear at the top of the screen
[14:48] <KM0201> alphas usually come out around 3-4mo before release(if not sooner)
[14:49] <KM0201> ah i see, you didn't get my abbreviation for months.
[14:49] <bhavesh> lol yes
[14:49] <bhavesh> but I thought it would be months
[14:49] <bhavesh> my update manager is saying it again and again
[14:49] <bhavesh> Do partial upgrade? huh? I completely installed 11.04....
[14:50] <coz_> uninstalling the driver worked,, going to try to uninstall the  ubuntu nvidia driver and reinstall offcial
[14:50] <bhavesh> ok
[14:50] <penguin42> coz_: It's normally best to stick with the ubuntu packaged nvidia binary drivers rather than installing from nvidias site
[14:50] <Feldegast> i saw a lot of gnome package install failures during the upgrade too
[14:51]  * Feldegast will see if gnome works later
[14:51] <coz_> penguin42,  yes I am aware of that ,, but want to test with the packaged drivers removed  anyway
[14:51] <bhavesh> !gtk
[14:51] <coz_> penguin42,  no big deal,, its time for a reinstall anyway
[14:51] <penguin42> ok then
[14:52] <bhavesh> hmm? GTK 2.x is GNOME 2 compatable or gtk 1.x
[14:52] <bhavesh> dont understand anything
[14:53] <KM0201> is anyone else not gtting update notifications?
[14:53] <goodtime> yes
[14:53] <KM0201> iv'e not gotten them since beta 1 for some reason
[14:54] <KM0201> ok, so long as its not just me
[14:54] <goodtime> i havent yet with this os
[14:54] <coz_> bhavesh,  well gtk2 is not gnome2  but gnome 2 is based on gtk2 which is the gimp toolkit
[14:54] <KM0201> haven't yet what?... gotten update notifications?
[14:54] <bhavesh> coz_ ok :)
[14:54] <goodtime> right
[14:54] <KM0201> ok.
[14:55] <slipbodd_> Hey guys, my system is freezing from time to time, cursor moves, but UI is not responding at anything
[14:55] <bhavesh> I get notification to do partial upgrade =\ (always) even if I cancel
[14:55] <KM0201> well, i've been runnimng apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade, to make sure i'm current
[14:55] <slipbodd_> I have Kubuntu 11.04 b2, nouveau drivers.
[14:55] <slipbodd_> Is it natty problem or nouveau one?
[14:56] <slipbodd_> Or kernel issue?
[14:56] <goodtime> that too happens to me and idk wtf is wrong lol
[14:56] <slipbodd_> Any workaround to fix this?
[14:56]  * KM0201 has had zero problems w/ 11.04 thus far... but i've not put it on my Nvidia machine yet
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:57] <slipbodd_> And I can't reproduce this bug
[14:57] <KM0201> o/ BluesKaj
[14:57] <goodtime> im sure it is but i wouldnt reinstall,id just try to fix it even if i dont know how realy
[14:58] <goodtime> reinstalling is for windows
[14:58] <slipbodd_> The only way for me is to reboot the system
[14:58] <slipbodd_> Since it's not responding at all
[14:59] <hardcold> I'm curious about the software selection in different releases, specifically rhtyhm box prior to 11 and banshee from 11
[15:00] <hardcold> is this based on voting or politics?
[15:00] <hardcold> I put rhythm box on to get some radio streaming as banshee has no channels by default
[15:01] <hardcold> I've just tried adding a station from websities and rhtyhm box understands these should be put under "radio"
[15:01] <KM0201> hardcold, i think there's probably various reason for it.. many f which most of us will probably never know... Pidgin nixed for Empathy.. Gnomebaker for Brasero.. the list really goes on and on
[15:01] <hardcold> but banshee does not understand that
[15:02] <hardcold> I guess my main question is if it's primarily driven by compatibility and performance
[15:02] <KM0201> hardcold, i'm sure there's a reason, but honestly, is it something to get worked up about? rhythmbox takes only a minute to install.
[15:03] <KM0201> i guess i could see if they removed it, and took it out of the repositories, and made it to where you had to compile it from source.. but the fact it's only gonna take about 1min to reinstall... dunno, just doesn't seem like something to get worked up about.
[15:03] <hardcold> it's not about getting "worked up" by trying to understand the reason
[15:03] <hardcold> for example, if it was mainly about stability
[15:03] <KM0201> hardcold, and thats what i'm saying.. i don't think there really is a "good reason"...
[15:04] <KM0201> hardcold, you gotta remember, as the OS gets bigger and bigger, they ahve to cram more and more onto the ISO, (which has to fit on a CD)
[15:04] <KM0201> maybe they said... Well, we're out of space, but if we substitute banshee for rhythmbox, we come in just under the size we need
[15:04] <hardcold> I tried Evolution Mail, but this crashed the system on boot, so I downloaded Thunderbird which works fine
[15:04] <slipbodd_> So, anybody else have freezing problem?
[15:04] <KM0201> so thats what they do.
[15:04] <jiohdi> I used to have freezes when the memory was not sufficient or the hardware was not
[15:05] <jiohdi> nothing after upgrading a bit
[15:05] <hardcold> that's another question, then, regarding stability
[15:05] <KM0201> personally, i'd like to see Ubuntu install with no apps... just the desktop and associated applications (Gedit, synaptic, etc..)
[15:05] <hardcold> I have 2GB ram
[15:05] <KM0201> any "applications" web browsers, email, etc.. the user would install
[15:05] <hardcold> I assumed this would be sufficient for Ubuntu
[15:05] <jiohdi> 2 gb s/b enough
[15:05] <jiohdi> 1 is enough
[15:05] <hardcold> SHould I add antoher 2gb?
[15:05] <KM0201> two gigs is plenty, i'm on a laptop w/ 1.5, and it's doing great
[15:05] <jiohdi> depends on what you are doing
[15:05] <slipbodd_> I have 2 gigs of ram
[15:06] <hardcold> just web browsing, mail, etc
[15:06] <coz_> ok that didnt work either,,, bhavesh   no bother with that
[15:06] <jiohdi> freezing at 2gb usually means hardware issues
[15:06] <goodtime> hmmm
[15:06]  * KM0201 applauds coz's ubuntu attitude..
[15:06] <KM0201> lol
[15:07] <hardcold> that's interesting what you said about size
[15:07] <hardcold> I didn't consider that
[15:07] <hardcold> keeping it under 700mb's is quite the task I guess
[15:08] <Daekdroom> What? The LiveCD?
[15:08] <KM0201> hardcold, not saying thats the reason.. was just saying, that could be one reason
[15:08] <KM0201> i don't think it always comes back to usability... gotta remember, they gotta put enough on a live cd, to hook a new user
[15:08] <slipbodd_> Hmm, I don't have intel gfx card, but
[15:08] <slipbodd_> [   27.625376] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #1. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
[15:08] <coz_> when the release is out  the mini install iso will become more readily available
[15:09] <Daekdroom> slipbodd_, that is audio
[15:09] <slipbodd_> WTF is this?
[15:09] <slipbodd_> I don't have any intel hardware
[15:09] <Daekdroom> According to that, you do.
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Which is no surprise.
[15:09] <KM0201> lol
[15:10] <penguin42> slipbodd_: Most of the audio hardware shares stuff with the intel driver
[15:10] <Daekdroom> My ATI card has a Intel chip for the HDMI audio, for example.
[15:10] <Daekdroom> My motherboard has a Intel chip for the regular audio too :P
[15:11] <hardcold> if I could get my computer to connect to a wireless network, then I'd have a fully usable system
[15:11] <penguin42> hardcold: Which wireless chip?
[15:11] <KM0201> hardcold, wellw hat is your wireless device?.. first i've saw you mention a wireless problem
[15:11] <hardcold> Let me check. I have the x120e
[15:11] <hardcold> I'll see what card they stuck in there
[15:11] <KM0201> that doesn't say much.
[15:12] <KM0201> hardcold, just type lspci in a terminal, find your wireless device, and tell us what it says
[15:12] <KM0201> what the manufacturer says, is almost 100% irrelevant 99% of the time
[15:12] <hardcold> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE
[15:12] <KM0201> hardcold, that doesn't work out of the box?
[15:13] <hardcold> nope
[15:13] <hardcold> I can see networks
[15:13] <KM0201> i've got one of those thats a USB.. it works w/ 10.10 perfectly (not tried it w/ 11.04 yet.
[15:13] <hardcold> but it will not connetc
[15:13] <KM0201> hmm
[15:13] <KM0201> have you tried connecting to a network w/ no security ? (open)
[15:13] <hardcold> yep
[15:13] <hardcold> of course
[15:14] <KM0201> also make sure your user is set up to be allowed to use wireless devices
[15:14] <hardcold> I did that too
[15:14] <KM0201> yeah, it should be out of the box, but you never know;
[15:15] <hardcold> I'd like to take it outdoors and show people it
[15:16] <hardcold> but, until I can connect to a wireless network, that's not happening
[15:16] <slipbodd_> Y ubuntu don't have experimental mesa drivers installed by default for full 3D experience?
[15:18] <hardcold> Hello JanC
[15:18] <coz_> ok reinstalling via mini  cd
[15:18] <KM0201> woot
[15:19] <hardcold> what's a mini cd?
[15:19] <coz_> hardcold,  the minicd is about 19 megs and the entire system ins downloaded from the net for installation
[15:19] <hardcold> holy crap
[15:20] <coz_> hardcold,  but with the mini cd you get choices  of gnome  kde  etc etc including servers
[15:20] <hardcold> I see
[15:20] <coz_> hardcold,  so the mini yyou dont have to download separate cds for each version just choose the one you ant
[15:20] <coz_> wantr
[15:20] <coz_> want
[15:21] <adrian_kx> how can i remove grub2 and use lilo instead
[15:21] <adrian_kx> after i install package and do /sbin/lilo says no lilo.conf found
[15:21] <coz_> oo do you really want to do that?
[15:21] <adrian_kx> i hate grub
[15:21] <adrian_kx> and i want to see text when it boots
[15:21] <coz_> adrian_kx,  but lilo has scarce optons in comparison
[15:22] <adrian_kx> if i remove plymouth will it mess this beta2?
[15:22] <coz_> adrian_kx,  just remove the plumouth  package  I believe,, that shouldnt cuase issues
[15:22] <coz_> cause
[15:22] <adrian_kx> i want an old debian style boot process i hate fancy loading screens
[15:22] <coz_> let me check
[15:22] <adrian_kx> ook
[15:23] <coz_> adrian_kx,  mm here it wants to remove a bunch of stuff along with it
[15:24] <adrian_kx> it acpid and some other
[15:24] <adrian_kx> it removes
[15:24] <adrian_kx> and i am running a laptop
[15:24] <coz_> adrian_kx,  someone else may know a better way,, maybe you can  rename the plymouth executable withouth serious issues
[15:25] <adrian_kx> i think i`ll wait for final release and try the mini iso
[15:25] <coz_> adrian_kx,  I have a mini  iso here if you want to try it
[15:25] <coz_> I am testing it now
[15:25] <adrian_kx> for natty?
[15:25] <coz_> yes
[15:25] <adrian_kx> i couldnt find
[15:26] <coz_> adrian_kx,  hold on ,, uploading to my dropbox account
[15:26] <adrian_kx> i tested 10.10 in my VM and i could customize nicely alternate CD doest customize
[15:26] <coz_> adrian_kx,     http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/mini.iso
[15:26] <coz_> it has a nice purple background color...oh , excuse me ... "aubergine"
[15:27] <coz_> adrian_kx,  this is NOT a live cd
[15:27] <adrian_kx> i know
[15:28] <coz_> adrian_kx,  if you try this ,, eventually you will get a list of t hings to install...use the "Space" bar to  tick the box  and the arrows to scroll with  NOT ENTER to choose  only hit enter after you have chosen with the Space bar
[15:28] <adrian_kx> i been using debian net-install since like 2003:))
[15:28] <coz_> adrian_kx,  ah ok then nevermind :)
[15:28] <coz_> adrian_kx,  yes it is nearly if not identical to debian net install
[15:28] <izinucs> other than the "folder" at the top of the icon list in unity, how do you start nautilus?  Super Key>nautilus finds nothing
[15:28] <adrian_kx> hope there is a lilo option to install at the end
[15:29] <adrian_kx> i`ll see in a few min in virtual box
[15:29] <coz_> adrian_kx,  mmm I am not at that point yet on this install to say for sure
[15:29] <aguitel> i installed natty ,i have poor grub image ,small letters in the menu and it can't fit the entire screen
[15:29] <adrian_kx> been testing natty since alpha3
[15:30] <coz_> adrian_kx,  judging from paste experience,, i dont recall a lilo choice but I could be wrong since I wasnt looking for it
[15:30] <adrian_kx> in 10.10 mini is there:)
[15:31] <coz_> adrian_kx,  not that I recall,, however, as I said I wasnt looking for it in the list
[15:32] <adrian_kx> feedback in 20min:)
[15:32] <coz_> okie dokie
[15:35] <Hobart> In Natty, where do you go to choose proprietary drivers?  I see the shutdown-button->System Settings control panel, but that seems to be the old "preferences" menu, and I don't see the "administration" items ...
[15:36] <coz_> Hobart,  hit alt+F2  type  jockey-gtk
[15:37] <Hobart> Also, does anyone know of a utility lets you identify which process is responsible for a particular app under X?  I ran the Ubuntu Hardware Database System Testing app, and it made it to the last screen and the dialog box is frozen with ...
[15:37] <Hobart> ... non-working buttons
[15:37] <coz_> Hobart,  or    the last 2 icons on the launcher panel the one with a circle   right click gotto system  and choose additional drivers
[15:37] <Hobart> coz_ -> thank you!
[15:37] <coz_> no problem
[15:40] <aguitel> i installed natty ,i have poor grub image ,small letters in the menu and it can't fit the entire screen
[15:41] <coz_> aguitel,   I am not up on all options with grub2  but the people in the #grub channel should be able to help with t his issue,, which video card do you have on that system?
[15:41] <coz_> aguitel,    in terminal     lspci | grep -i vga
[15:41] <aguitel> coz_, nvidia working with experimental mesa driver
[15:42] <coz_> aguitel,  ah  mmm  the "experimental"  says non default... i am not sure,,, you may have to go to #grub channel to solve this one
[15:42] <adrian_kx> ati propriatary drivers are broken in beta2
[15:43] <adrian_kx> acutually beta1 had many things working that now have broken dependencies
[15:43] <aguitel> coz_, this kind of driver come with natty
[15:43] <coz_> aguitel,  including the experimental mesa ?
[15:44] <aguitel> coz_, yes
[15:44] <coz_> aguitel,  ok my bad,,, still I am not good with grub issues and the resolutoins  although you could try to edit   /etc/default/grub
[15:45] <coz_> aguitel,  but seriously i would either google options for the resolutions or talk with people on #grub channel about it
[15:45] <aguitel> coz_, thankz
[15:48] <hardcold> I'd like to switch the control/alt keys
[15:48] <izinucs> !resolution | coz_
[15:48] <hardcold> I see an option to map control to alt, and alt to win, but I would like to just switch control with alt
[15:49] <coz_> izinucs,  but not for the grub menu resolutions
[15:49] <izinucs> coz_: ah.. missed that
[15:49] <coz_> :)
[15:49] <coz_> 8)
[15:49] <coz_> that one measn "glasses"  :)
[15:51] <izinucs> Any way to get more than one terminal window to load?
[15:51] <coz_> izinucs,  i often misread , just glancind at parts of the sentences ,, I often get it wrong 8)
[15:51] <coz_> izinucs,  open it again
[15:51] <coz_> izinucs,  it s hould load as many as you like
[15:52] <coz_> izinucs,  I am not aware of any restrictions on how many terminals can be opened at one time
[15:52] <izinucs> coz_: I've got it open now and split screen with screen.. just curious about clicking the icon on the unity menu.. first click opens it.. second selects the open window
[15:53] <coz_> izinucs,  oh!  alt+F2   gnome-terminal should open another instance of it
[15:53] <adrian_kx> coz it has lilo:)
[15:53] <coz_> adrian_kx,  ooo cool :)
[15:54] <adrian_kx> does it work if i make and usb key?
[15:54] <adrian_kx> to boot from my usb sticl
[15:54] <murlidhar> i have downloaded beta2 iso file n burnt it. How do i upgrade my lucid to 11.04 ?
[15:54] <coz_> adrian_kx,  no the mini iso cannot be burned to  usb flash for some reason
[15:54] <adrian_kx> aaaaaaaaa
[15:54] <adrian_kx> shit
[15:55] <coz_> adrian_kx,   although  i say caca  as well :)
[15:55] <adrian_kx> can i make grub to load it?
[15:55] <adrian_kx> cacat
[15:55] <murlidhar> adrian_kx: ??? make it a family channel :)
[15:55] <coz_> adrian_kx,  mm not sure about the grub loading part
[15:55] <murlidhar> friendly*
[15:55] <murlidhar> :|
[15:55] <adrian_kx> :)
[15:55] <coz_> i use the italian version  which is  "caca"
[15:56] <murlidhar> i have downloaded beta2 iso file n burnt it. How do i upgrade my lucid to 11.04 ? anyone?
[15:56] <izinucs> coz_: of course.. alt f2 for many things.. I'm trying to do things as if I had never run ubuntu before and this was my first experience.. Unity's different.. I have friends that are my converts and I'll have to explain things to them.
[15:56] <coz_> murlidhar,  you dont  until you upgrade to  10.10 and then from there  you can upgrade to 11.04
[15:56] <murlidhar> ah okiez
[15:56] <adrian_kx> i use classic
[15:56] <adrian_kx> unity is not good
[15:56] <coz_> izinucs,  I use easystroke  and set one stroke for gonme-terminal
[15:56] <coz_> izinucs,  make as many stokes as you like for the terminal and they will all open
[15:57] <murlidhar> but i am not able to install it freshly :| coz_
[15:57] <murlidhar> i mean i am not able to do a fresh install
[15:57] <coz_> murlidhar,  well you would still have to upgrade to 10.10 first
[15:57] <murlidhar> the screen goes blank
[15:57] <coz_> murlidhar,   oh!
[15:57] <coz_> not sure then
[15:57] <coz_> murlidhar,  which video card do you have there?
[15:57] <murlidhar> dunno
[15:57] <murlidhar> :|
[15:57] <murlidhar> its built in
[15:57] <coz_> in terminal    lspci | grep -i vga
[15:58] <murlidhar> okiez
[15:58] <coz_> probably intel
[15:58] <izinucs> coz_: anything like system monitor on the panel?
[15:58] <coz_> izinucs,  on the luancher panel you mean?
[15:58] <izinucs> coz sure.. or whereever
[15:58] <coz_> izinucs,  you should be able to access it easly
[15:59] <coz_> izinucs,  the icon with circle  at the bottom,, either left click and search for system monitor or rightl click and go to system
[15:59] <murlidhar> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[15:59] <murlidhar> coz_: ^^
[15:59] <coz_> murlidhar,  yep
[16:00] <murlidhar> that's the output i got.
[16:00] <coz_> murlidhar,  not sure if there are any issues with intel  and natty at this point.. I dont have an intel grphics machinne here
[16:00] <murlidhar> hmmm
[16:00] <murlidhar> well it installs fine on my desktop
[16:00] <coz_> murlidhar,   did you check the md5sum of the iso before burning it and did you burn it at  1x   ??
[16:00] <hardcold> Does the Windows key have any function in Ubuntu?
[16:00] <murlidhar> yep
[16:00] <izinucs> coz_: hummmm... nothing..
[16:00] <hardcold> okay, good
[16:00] <coz_> murlidhar,   you can try the mini.iso which is only 19 megs
[16:01] <coz_> izinucs,  it s hould be under there
[16:01] <murlidhar> na
[16:01] <coz_> izinucs,  I am reinstalling at this moment so cant get to it
[16:01] <coz_> murlidhar,  it should clean install fine
[16:01] <murlidhar> when it installs fine on my intel desktop
[16:01] <murlidhar> not able to do clean install
[16:01] <murlidhar> ................
[16:01] <coz_> murlidhar,  not with the live cd probably no
[16:01] <murlidhar> the screen goes blank na
[16:02] <bhavesh> I used wine 1.3 to run Visual Basic 6.0 it installs and  opens up : http://i.imgur.com/p6wXr.png but when I try working on it, like changing the window size, it does not work while all other menus work
[16:02] <coz_> murlidhar,  not sure about the mini cd  but it is NOT a live cd
[16:02] <bhavesh> I saw the apppdb for it
[16:02] <bhavesh> it said I have to install dlls which I did
[16:02] <murlidhar> maybe alternate cd ?
[16:02] <bhavesh> do u guys have some idea about it...? it may be because of some OLE not woking?
[16:02] <bhavesh> working*
[16:02] <coz_> murlidhar,  the mini is similar to alternate but it downloads current updates as it installs
[16:03] <coz_> murlidhar,  a net install as it were
[16:03] <coz_> bhavesh,  not sure at all
[16:03] <bhavesh> coz_ k
[16:03] <coz_> bhavesh,  did you check with the people on the #winehq  channel ?
[16:03] <bhavesh> nope
[16:03] <bhavesh> ill now
[16:03] <murlidhar> i don't have a gd internet connection to download the files...........
[16:04] <coz_> bhavesh,  that would be your best bet as well as on the wine site
[16:04] <murlidhar> the internet isn't stable enough
[16:04] <coz_> murlidhar,  ah ok
[16:04] <coz_> murlidhar,  then the alternate cd would be the next ch oice
[16:04] <coz_> murlidhar,  how much memory is allocated to the intel chipset in the bios?
[16:04] <bhavesh> yup
[16:04] <coz_> and how much system memory on the  system murlidhar ?
[16:04] <murlidhar> guess i won't be able to install it on my lappy so soon :|
[16:04] <murlidhar> 64
[16:04] <murlidhar> mb
[16:05] <murlidhar> i tried to change ti.
[16:05] <murlidhar> and  it didn't
[16:05] <coz_> murlidhar,  64 for the intel and how much system memory altogether
[16:05] <murlidhar> 2 GB
[16:05] <murlidhar> ddr3
[16:05] <adrian_kx> coz the mini iso is for amd64?
[16:05] <adrian_kx> right?
[16:05] <coz_> murlidhar,  you tried changeing the size in the bios ...yes?
[16:05] <murlidhar> yes
[16:05] <murlidhar> i couldnn't
[16:05] <coz_> murlidhar,   that's odd  it should change with no difficulty
[16:06] <murlidhar> the cursor doesn't go on the values
[16:06] <murlidhar> :|
[16:06] <coz_> murlidhar,  in the bios and the cursor?
[16:06] <murlidhar> yep
[16:06] <coz_> murlidhar,  cant use the curso in the bios  only arrows and space etc
[16:06] <murlidhar> the blinking cursor
[16:06] <coz_> murlidhar, ah
[16:07] <coz_> murlidhar,   there s hould be a video section to adjust shared memory
[16:07] <murlidhar> hmmm
[16:07] <coz_> murlidhar,  and it shhould be sepcifically under some heading of video or shared memory
[16:07] <murlidhar> funny i am able to change all the values like changing password n stuff
[16:08] <coz_> murlidhar,  check again.. you may have been in the wrong section... generally arrow to the seciont,,, enter to choose,, esc to get out of it
[16:08] <coz_> arrow to the "section" rather
[16:09] <murlidhar> na in my bios it bring the cursor and then use F5 and F6 to change
[16:09] <coz_> o0  mm I have not seen that before
[16:09] <murlidhar> is to bring*
[16:10] <murlidhar> using acer 4736 laptop
[16:10] <murlidhar> aspire series
[16:10] <coz_> let me google bios settings
[16:10] <murlidhar> ok thanks
[16:13] <aguitel> coz_, is there "unity" in another distro ?
[16:13] <Daekdroom> Unity is Ubuntu-exclusive for now.
[16:13] <coz_> aguitel,   there are netbook editions ,, yes.. not ,, I dont think,, specifically named or works identical to Unity
[16:14] <Daekdroom> Some derived distros might use Unity too.
[16:14] <aguitel> gnome 3 will replace in the future unity ?
[16:14] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[16:14] <Daekdroom> It'll be used along unity.
[16:16] <coz_> murlidhar,  mm according to one pdf on the bios settings it cannot be increased or the settings are N/A  let me upload a copy and it is on page 40 of the pdf  hold on
[16:16] <coz_> murlidhar,     http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/SG_AS4736_4736G_4736Z_4736ZG_4336_09152009.pdf
[16:17] <Lorthirk> damn
[16:17] <Lorthirk> i tried to update to natty + gnome3
[16:17] <Lorthirk> total boom :D
[16:17] <murlidhar> so we can't change it...? coz_ ?
[16:17] <coz_> aguitel,  as far as I am aware most distributions offer a netbook edition
[16:17] <aguitel> coz_, ok
[16:17] <coz_> murlidhar,  read that pdf to be sure,, but according to that it looks as though  "no"
[16:18] <Daekdroom> !gnome3 | Lorthirk
[16:18] <coz_> murlidhar,  which is a bit puzzling  however you may be able to google a way to bipass that or update the bios  which may have the inclusion of changing that
[16:18] <coz_> Lorthirk,  gnome3 will break natty / unity
[16:18] <murlidhar> guess i have to download the alternate cd then........or wait for stable release
[16:19] <Daekdroom> Yeah. Somebody has to reword that.
[16:19] <Lorthirk> well
[16:19] <murlidhar> coz_: ^^
[16:19] <Lorthirk> "may"...
[16:19] <Daekdroom> "may" sounds like people can try it.
[16:19] <Lorthirk> in my case, did :P
[16:19] <coz_> murlidhar,  yep  as far as I can tell that would be the best choice since you internet is not as reliable
[16:19] <murlidhar> coz_: ok.thanks a  lot :)
[16:19] <coz_> murlidhar,  no problem... the  alternate cd is nice under any condition by the way
[16:20] <murlidhar> yeah i have used it a few times too
[16:20] <murlidhar> hmm while installing feisty fawn
[16:20] <murlidhar> :)
[16:21] <coz_> murlidhar,  yeah its worth the effort ,, but please check the md5sum before burning it and please burn it at 1x
[16:21] <coz_> murlidhar,  find the ubuntu hashes to check the md5sum
[16:22] <coz_> murlidhar,    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[16:22] <coz_> murlidhar,  the mdsums are on that page
[16:25] <murlidhar> coz_: i have checked it n instALLed it on my desktop :)
[16:25] <coz_> murlidhar,  cool
[16:26] <levu> When i log out and log in again, the programs which are in the unity left-panel are not saved, is this a known bug or is there a log file of unity?
[16:26] <murlidhar> just not able to install on my laptop but will install it using alternate
[16:26] <murlidhar> cd
[16:26] <murlidhar> okiez. ty. bye. take cares.
[16:26] <coz_> levu,  unless you "stuck" the applications on the laucnher I dont think they will be saved unless you save the session
[16:26] <murlidhar> coz_: tc :)
[16:26] <coz_> murlidhar,  ok guy
[16:27] <bhavesh> good night coz_
[16:27] <coz_> bhavesh,  ok guy
[16:27] <levu> coz_: whell, i click on the u1 icon and unchek "keep in launcher" and when i log out and log in again, it's there, how do i save a session?
[16:28] <hardcold> do you work for Canonical coz_?
[16:28] <coz_> levu,   I believe this is still up to date    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/make-ubuntu-automatically-save-changes-to-your-session/
[16:28] <coz_> hardcold,  i do not
[16:28] <coz_> hardcold,  woldnt refuse emplyment with them though :)
[16:30] <levu> coz_: thanks
[16:30] <coz_> levu,  ooo maybo not so up to date...let me check for current hold on
[16:30] <levu> coz_: well, i'll try it :)
[16:31] <coz_> levu,  try this,, go to system/preferences/ startup applications
[16:31] <coz_> levu,   then the "Options"  tab
[16:31] <coz_> levu,   tick the "Automatically remember running applications when logging out"
[16:33] <levu> coz_: but i don't want to remember the running applications, i want the launcher to remember, which application i don't want to have in the launcher (like u1 or software center)
[16:37] <thegoodcushion> Hi everyone
[16:37] <thegoodcushion> How long till we're on Natty?
[16:37] <Daekdroom> April 28th is the release day.
[16:37] <Lorthirk> thegoodcushion: release is scheduled for april, 28
[16:37] <cryptk> yep, there is a bot command to have it give the link to the schedule, but I always forget what it is...
[16:37] <cryptk> !schedule
[16:38] <cryptk> hey, got it
[16:38] <coz_> thegoodcushion,     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[16:38] <thegoodcushion> Am I allowed to find out what packages are in Natty?  I want to know the version of gcc, libcurl, linux kernel...
[16:39] <coz_> !gcc
[16:39] <coz_> ah darn
[16:39] <cryptk> thegoodcushion, I can tell you what is installed on mine, one sec while I check them
[16:39] <coz_> !find gcc
[16:39] <coz_> !find libcurl
[16:40] <coz_> !find linux kernel
[16:40] <thegoodcushion> libcurl3????
[16:40] <coz_> let me check my natty install hold on
[16:40] <cryptk> gcc version 4.5.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu3), libcurl 7.21.3-1ubuntu1, kernel 2.6.38-8
[16:41] <coz_> TheEvilPhoenix,  darn installing drivers right now...someone here can check their synaptic for the specific versions
[16:41] <cryptk> thegoodcushion, any other packages you want checked?
[16:41] <coz_> ah there you go ^^
[16:41] <thegoodcushion> hang on a sec
[16:41] <cryptk> oooh, I have updates to install, lemme see if any of those versions are changed....
[16:42] <no-nick> what is a fast way to restart ubuntu ?
[16:42] <thegoodcushion> ok they're all incremental increases from 10.10
[16:42] <coz_> no-nick,   open a terminal     sudo  init 6
[16:42] <thegoodcushion> On my 10.10 with all updates I have 4.4.5, 7.21.0 and 2.6.35-28
[16:42] <no-nick> ok
[16:42] <no-nick> thanks coz_
[16:42] <no-nick> i will give it a try
[16:42] <no-nick> but can you tell me what it does ?
[16:43] <no-nick> does it goes the the boot screen ?
[16:43] <no-nick> grub ?
[16:43] <adrian_> can someone give me a link to a netinstall iso for natty?
[16:43] <coz_> no-nick,  hold left shift key down when restarting to show grub menu
[16:44] <no-nick> i don't want taht
[16:44] <no-nick> i just want to reload the ubuntu
[16:44] <no-nick> i don't like the BIOS to know about it :D
[16:51] <BluesKaj> adrian_, just remove any non default repository ppas , then sudo do-release-upgrade -d in a terminal
[16:52] <kevin__> #jupiterbroadcasting
[16:53] <adrian_> anyone used natty net install?
[16:53] <adrian_> are the packages broken?
[16:54] <adrian_> couse it says cant download some files
[16:58] <Robbster> Hi all. I trying to get 11.04 running nice on a lenovo Z61m. is this the right place to ask for some help?
[17:00] <arand> If you are running Natty prerelease, yes.
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> spaceship@dock:~$ sudo apt-get install network-manager
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> Reading package lists... Error!
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_i18n_Translation-en
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> spaceship@dock:~$
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> Same with every apt-get *
[17:00] <UbuntuFanatic> Can someone help me out?
[17:01] <UbuntuFanatic> Obviously, OS: Natty Narwhal.
[17:01] <Robbster> arand: excellent.Unity says that it isn't supported on my hardware, but the (ATI) X1400 graphics card in this laptop should be fine.
[17:01] <UbuntuFanatic> I can't update/upgrade.
[17:01] <arand> Robbster: Have you enabled the propritary drivers for ATI?
[17:02] <arand> s/propritary/proprietary/
[17:02] <UbuntuFanatic> Anybody help?
[17:02] <popey> UbuntuFanatic: what happens when you "sudo apt-get update" ?
[17:02] <popey> UbuntuFanatic: pastebin it
[17:02] <Robbster> no, They aren't available for this card. I'll re-run the 'Additional Drivers' application....
[17:02] <UbuntuFanatic> okay.
[17:03] <Robbster> no drivers found for this machine.
[17:03] <UbuntuFanatic> popey,
[17:03] <UbuntuFanatic> I stupidly removed
[17:03] <UbuntuFanatic> the first few files which were
[17:03] <UbuntuFanatic> 'problamatic'
[17:03] <UbuntuFanatic> because I thought it was something I did
[17:03] <UbuntuFanatic> http://pastebin.com/avB8yNfu
[17:03] <Robbster> arand: lspci output the same as http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_on_a_ThinkPad_Z61m#lspci
[17:04] <popey> UbuntuFanatic: that wasnt wise
[17:04] <UbuntuFanatic> I know. D:
[17:04] <UbuntuFanatic> Can you help? D:
[17:04] <arand> Robbster: do an update and enable multiverse repositories [preferences via ubuntu software centre].
[17:04] <popey> nope
[17:04] <UbuntuFanatic> What do I do?
[17:05] <Robbster> arand: ... just finishing up an update...
[17:07] <UbuntuFanatic> I fixed it, popey.
[17:07] <UbuntuFanatic> Never mind.
[17:07] <Robbster> arand: enabled. what am I looking for?
[17:08] <arand> Robbster: Basically, enable those and then chck if the updated package information allows the hardware drivers to see something useful for your card
[17:08] <Robbster> k
[17:09] <Robbster> arand: nothing
[17:09] <Robbster> is there a command to run that will check is unity is supported on the current hardware?
[17:10] <arand> Robbster: Well I presume you could install them manually using somthing as described in that link you had, presumably it will have changed a bit now though...
[17:11] <Robbster> arand: I haven't installed any aditional drivers yet.
[17:11] <Robbster> did a clean install a few days back and am just getting to 'play' with it now.
[17:13] <lucas-arg> hey guys, im having problems with the shutdown proccess
[17:13] <lucas-arg> some times it shuts down and sometimes it does not
[17:13] <lucas-arg> i dont know where to look at
[17:13] <arand> Robbster: Presumably you would install fglrx, possibly fglrx-amdcccle  and maybe you'll need depmod and aticonfig as in your howto..
[17:14] <Robbster> arand: I'm just worried that the howto is too old, but I can start with what you suggested.
[17:14] <itguru> Is it possible to search for all current open bugs that have been reported by a certain laptop?
[17:19] <Robbster> is there a command that can be run to check if unity should be able to run on a particular hardware?
[17:19] <coz_> Robbster,  mm  not that I am aware of
[17:20] <coz_> Robbster,   what video card do you have?
[17:20] <coz_> Robbster,  in terminal     lspci | grep -i vga
[17:20] <Robbster> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400 (from http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_on_a_ThinkPad_Z61m#lspci)
[17:21] <Robbster> it should be more than powerful enough to run the unity interface.
[17:21] <coz_> Robbster,  I am not up on most ati cards ,, someone here would know if the default driver works for that
[17:22] <coz_> Robbster,  are you going to test natty on that system when released or sooner?
[17:22] <Robbster> humm, just took a stab an ran 'unity' from the command line, got a Segmentation fault. and I lost all the window manager stuff?
[17:22] <Robbster> coz_: testing as we speak :)
[17:22] <coz_> ah
[17:23] <coz_> Robbster,  and is unity working?
[17:23] <Robbster> no
[17:23] <coz_> Robbster,  i believe someone mentioned that ati is broken right now ?
[17:23] <Robbster> uses the 'classic' interface.
[17:23] <Robbster> 'right now'?
[17:24] <coz_> Robbster,  that might be the reason   ,, I believe ati is broken at the moment
[17:25] <lwizardl> hello
[17:25] <Robbster> humm, all sorts of things are breaking now and trying to send reports.
[17:25] <lwizardl> why the horrible gui change in 11 ?
[17:25] <Robbster> okay, let me check on launchpad for.
[17:27] <itguru> I'm testing my laptop with Natty, and I'm listing the features that are not working out the box, but I've been tampering with this install to get things working. Is there a framework for how to test a release on your hardware?
[17:27] <Robbster> lwizardl: it is call Unity and it is the redesigned interface, The Ubuntu team have taken some of the best parts of the Ubuntu Netbook remix and added a lot of new features.
[17:27] <Robbster> itguru: good question. I'd be happy to do the same with this laptop I'm working on now.
[17:28] <lwizardl> Robbster, exactly why make a netbook interface the default on a standard desktop os version
[17:29] <itguru> Robbster: I'm running a inspiron duo magical flip tablet netbook combo (i like this machine!) and there are some things which don't work like the touch screen, but I can't tell in the bug tracker if someone else has already beat me to it, and if so, the progress
[17:29] <Robbster> lwizardl: they took some of the usage patterns and redesigned much of the way that people work with the interface. You should take a chance to read more about. I've not even seen it yet.
[17:30] <Robbster> but Canonical did some good usability research and these are some of the enhancements that are coming through.
[17:30] <lwizardl> i've used it for about a week now (including my time with beta1) and can say its horrible. kinda like how bad winME was bad
[17:31] <Robbster> you can always switch to the 'classic' interface which feels more like the standard Gnome desktop that you may be more familiar with.
[17:31] <lwizardl> and if this will be the standard GUI from now on then I need to figure out how to force classic as my default
[17:31] <coz_> lwizardl,  just log off  and log into the classic
[17:31] <itguru> lwizardl: After the first time you select it it' the default for that user
[17:32] <coz_> lwizardl,  it will remian in classic until you change it again
[17:32] <itguru> for example, my personal login use unity, my work login use classic
[17:32] <lwizardl> coz & itguru  cool thanks
[17:33] <coz_> last updates have cused natty to freeze up  with making simple settings changes  not in compiz either  :(
[17:34] <knightautwell> hey anyone here lol
[17:35] <lwizardl> knightautwell, yes lots
[17:35] <knightautwell> lol nice hey how do i see what processs are running in natty?
[17:36] <coz_> knightautwell,  you could open up system monitor for that
[17:37]  * KM0201 misses the system monitor panel applet
[17:37] <knightautwell> oh lol i forgot been awhile since i used ubuntu
[17:37] <coz_> knightautwell,  or in terminal      ps -e
[17:37] <lcb> knightautwelol, Applications | Themes & Tweaks | System Monitor
[17:37] <coz_> ps -aux    also I believe
[17:41] <knightautwell> hey anyone know a good chat irc like for friends that usually has people on it? i know off topic i was jw
[17:42] <KM0201> knightautwell, i hang out in a channel called #Seaphor   it's a family friendly channel... not a lot of folks there, almost all are linux users (of one form or another)... it's been kinda dead the last few days, i imagine folks are just busy w/ life
[17:43] <KM0201> but most the folks there are pretty cool.
[17:43] <knightautwell> hey anyone know how to add lyrics to either banshee media player or exaile????
[17:44] <knightautwell> ok thanks lol ill check it out my wife just wants one she can chat on. her+computers= not good lol
[17:44] <IdleOne> knightautwell: the lyrics pluggin/addon should be enabled default in Banshee ctrl+t while a song is playing should open a new window with the lyrics
[17:45] <bin_bash> Hello guise. It seems as though my CD drive isn't recognized. It happens with both Natty and ArchBang.
[17:45] <IdleOne> knightautwell: if not check the prefs and enable it
[17:45] <knightautwell> lol hardly ony of my songs are popping up with their lyrics
[17:45] <knightautwell> any
[17:45] <IdleOne> knightautwell: ah, yeah I have the same issue with most songs
[17:46] <IdleOne> maybe there is a way to change where it looks for lyrics?
[17:46] <knightautwell> any idea how to add them to exaile? something about adding them to tags on the songs or something like that
[17:46] <knightautwell> im not sure i cant find anything on it
[17:46] <KM0201> knightautwell, if you can add them to tags, then it's a simple matter of downloading easytag and editing the tags of the song..but i've never saw lyrics in the tag of a song
[17:46] <bin_bash> Are the forums down for anyone else?
[17:47] <knightautwell> idk i cant remember where i saw that
[17:47] <KM0201> bin_bash, yup
[17:47] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Ah okay. I was hoping maybe there was a reply to my post -.-
[17:47] <KM0201> bin_bash, well, there might be, you just can't read it yet.
[17:47] <KM0201> lol
[17:47] <bin_bash> LOL yeah
[17:48] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I figured out what the problem was from yesterday, but no way to fix it
[17:48] <KM0201> bin_bash, i remember you having an issue... but honestly, don't recall what it was.. refresh my memory
[17:49] <bin_bash> KM0201:  when I would put the natty CD in, I'd get all the way to the splash screen, and then it would take me to a CLI and say "unable to find medium with live desktop" or something like that
[17:49] <bin_bash> I realized it wasn't recognizing the CD drive, when I had a very similar problem with ArchBang
[17:49] <KM0201> hmm
[17:50] <bin_bash> I would get to the ArchBang load screen, but when trying to load the live environment it couldn't find it, and I realized it can't findthe CD
[17:51] <aguitel> is daily lice cd better than beta 2 ?
[17:51] <aguitel> live cd
[17:51] <bin_bash> I think the Betas are more stable, if I remember correctly.
[17:51] <KM0201> aguitel, it *is* beta 2... daily live, means it's loaded up daily, w/ current updates... so if the current release is beta 2, then the daily live, is beta 2.
[17:52] <hardcold> is there a way to quit rhythmbox aside from a force quit?
[17:52] <KM0201> i thought that anyway.
[17:52] <KM0201> um...
[17:52] <bin_bash> hardcold:  ctl-q?
[17:52] <hardcold> nah
[17:52] <hardcold> doesn't work
[17:52] <KM0201> hold on, i know there's a way, i just gotta install it to check.
[17:52] <aguitel> KM0201, ok
[17:52] <KM0201> lol
[17:52] <bin_bash> hardcold:  does it show up in the top panel?
[17:52] <hardcold> quit in launcher, quit in app, ctrl-q, etc, all don't work
[17:53] <KM0201> bin_bash, i don't think so, because notification area is gone... thats probably the issue.
[17:53] <bin_bash> ahh
[17:53] <bin_bash> hardcold: Probably not then
[17:53] <bin_bash> do a killall
[17:53] <KM0201> hardcold, you using unity?
[17:53] <bin_bash> have you tried killall rhythmbox rather than kill -9?
[17:54] <hardcold> km0201 yes
[17:54] <KM0201> ok, yeah, rythmbox definitely isn't in the notification area
[17:54] <KM0201> hardcold, i just went to music/quit... and rythmbox closed
[17:54] <trism> knightautwell: kid3-qt is what I use to add the Lyrics tag
[17:54] <hardcold> only a force quit will stop it here
[17:54] <KM0201> hardcold, strange
[17:54] <KM0201> hardcold, embrace audacious.. :)
[17:55] <hardcold> When I try to quit, after some time, ubuntu will bring up the force quit box
[17:55] <knightautwell> how would i do that? and would say exaile or banshee pick the lyrics up after?
[17:55] <trism> knightautwell: it will work with exaile, didn't seem to be working with banshee last night
[17:55] <knightautwell> how do i do that then lol
[17:56] <KM0201> well, you gotta install kid3-qt (i'm installing that now)
[17:56] <Robbster> arand: fglrx is not supported for the X1400 GPU :(
[17:57] <arand> Robbster: Right, unfortunate.
[17:57] <aguitel> KM0201, i try to boot live cd in some pc with this video card :Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) and it does not working
[17:57] <bin_bash> Does anyone know if theres a way for my CD drive to be recognized? I know other people with this exact computer have installed Natty, so there's gotta be a way.
[17:57] <KM0201> aguitel, it doesn't boot at all, or it doesn't boot satisfactorily? (ie, no 3D, etc.?)
[17:58] <Robbster> arand: but the card is supported with open source drivers and is supposed to be capable of supporting the 3D interface. I just don't know how to get it there..
[17:58] <aguitel> KM0201, it doesn't boot satisfactorily
[17:59] <KM0201> aguitel, but it does get to the desktop though, right?
[17:59] <aguitel> KM0201, no
[17:59] <aguitel> KM0201, no icons
[17:59] <KM0201> ok.
[17:59] <trism> knightautwell: after installing, you open the song with kid3, in the tag 2 section, click add, type: Lyrics, click okay, then enter the text of the lyrics in the dialog (you'll want to set the encoding for japanese lyrics to utf-8, otherwise the default is probably fine)
[17:59] <ubuntuguy> I need my gnome battery indicator to actually tell me how much battery I have left.
[17:59] <Paddy_NI>  Pici Lots of last minute cramming :)
[17:59] <KM0201> usually the intel devices work pertty well.
[17:59] <Paddy_NI> ubuntuguy: not knowing is half the fun
[17:59] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, it doesn't?
[17:59] <Paddy_NI> :)
[18:00] <KM0201> trism, boy if you have a lot of songs, that would be some serious work
[18:00] <KM0201> lol
[18:00] <ubuntuguy> Nope, says estimating
[18:00] <KM0201> hmm
[18:00] <knightautwell> ok thanks alot
[18:00] <trism> KM0201: well, usually I would only do it for songs where the lyrics aren't found automatically
[18:01] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, weird, i just unplugged my laptop, and it says how much time i have left (about 4hrs, which is pretty accurate)
[18:01] <Paddy_NI> I have seen the battery indicator hang at estimating when I have installed it on a laptop with a broken battery
[18:01] <ubuntuguy> My battery isn't broken though
[18:01] <KM0201> hmm
[18:01] <Paddy_NI> have you done the tongue test?
[18:01] <Paddy_NI> :P
[18:01] <KM0201> lmao
[18:01] <bin_bash> LOL
[18:01] <ubuntuguy> Because
[18:01] <ubuntuguy> When I right click
[18:02] <ubuntuguy> and go to laptop battery (estimating)
[18:02] <ubuntuguy> I can find my percentage there
[18:02]  * KM0201 remembers when my dad told me to stick my tongue on a 9v the first time..lol
[18:02] <bin_bash> ogod lol
[18:03] <ubuntuguy> Any problems to get it working?
[18:03] <ubuntuguy> programs*
[18:05] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, no.. it shows my estimated time remaining.. no problem..
[18:06] <ubuntuguy> Mine doesn't only when I right click and click laptop battery
[18:08] <ubuntuguy> Anyway to reset gnome  battery
[18:08] <hardcold> is there a global notification setting?
[18:09] <KM0201> hardcold, notification/indicator applets, is one of those things w/ Unity, that i think still needs a good bit of work
[18:09] <hardcold> rhtyhm box like to make a notification everytime a new song plays
[18:09] <KM0201> hardcold, so turn it of
[18:09] <KM0201> *off
[18:10] <hardcold> km0201 that is what I am asking
[18:10] <hardcold> where can I set that?
[18:10] <KM0201> hang on, not sure which plugin it is... lemme look
[18:10] <mikebeecham> hi guys...I see thas Beta 2 is released...is it worth upgrading now, or wait for public release?
[18:10] <KM0201> i think its Visualiation
[18:10] <ubuntuguy>  Can you help me get battery status to work?
[18:11] <KM0201> mikebeecham, well, its beta.. it has been very solid for me.. but it is beta.. if you're prepared to deal w/the possible issues that could arise from using a beta... then its up to you.
[18:11] <ubuntuguy> http://live.gnome.org/BatteryStatus
[18:11] <mikebeecham> KM0201, is it possible to downgrade if there are issues?
[18:12] <KM0201> mikebeecham, no
[18:12] <KM0201> ok, well, its not visualation.
[18:12] <mikebeecham> ok mate, thanks
[18:13] <ubuntuguy> HOw do Irun probem in terminal as root?
[18:14] <KM0201> run what problem as root?
[18:14] <ubuntuguy> Llike, how do I switch to root?
[18:14] <ubuntuguy> in terminal
[18:14] <SwedeMike> ubuntuguy: sudo <command>
[18:14] <KM0201> !sudo | ubuntuguy
[18:15] <ubuntuguy> Said root command not found
[18:15] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, ?.. did you read the link
[18:15] <ubuntuguy> I will now
[18:15] <KM0201> sudo... is what you put in front of a terminal command, to invoke root.
[18:15] <KM0201> in other words... if you put.. apt-get install packagename... it's not gonna install, because you didn't use sudo.
[18:16] <KM0201> you use sudo apt-get install packagename... it'll ask for your password, then install the package
[18:17] <ubuntuguy> That's what I just did
[18:17] <ubuntuguy> it said needed root
[18:17] <ubuntuguy> I was trying to add PPA through terminal
[18:17] <trism> hardcold: if you haven't found it yet, it is configured in the Status icon plugin
[18:18] <ubuntuguy> brandon@BrandonCPU:~$ add-apt-repository ppa:iaz/battery-status Error: must run as root
[18:18] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, ok..so.. like was said earlier, put sudo in front of that
[18:18] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I just noticed
[18:19] <hardcold> trism thank you
[18:19] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, but with your inexperience, i would avoid PPA's unless absolutely necessary
[18:19] <ubuntuguy> I know PPA quite well actually
[18:19] <KM0201> then how did you not know how to add one, and to use sudo?
[18:19] <ubuntuguy> JUst havign trouble adding thisone
[18:20] <ubuntuguy> Well
[18:20] <KM0201> no offense, but if you know PPA's quite well... that should've been painfully obvious
[18:20] <ubuntuguy> I'm usedto adding it in from ubuntu softwarecenter
[18:21] <ubuntuguy> Even when I added it through there it seemsthey can't find package
[18:24] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, did you run sudo apt-get update , after adding the repo
[18:25] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, it failed
[18:25] <KM0201> then the PPA didn't add properly most likely.. what did it say when you ran the command?
[18:25] <KM0201> where are you getting the link to this repo?
[18:26] <ubuntuguy> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/iaz/battery-status/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[18:26] <ubuntuguy> http://live.gnome.org/BatteryStatus
[18:26] <KM0201> most likely the repo is donw
[18:27] <ubuntuguy> Yeah I figured that
[18:28] <KM0201> yeah, its not working
[18:28] <ubuntuguy> That's add as the article I read about it was recent'
[18:28] <ubuntuguy> weird*
[18:29] <damadprof> hi, I have a small problem with natty; when I boot to log-in screen and choose 'ubuntu' it loads a screen with nothing on, I can move my mouse around but nothing at all.  If I choose 'ubuntu classic' it loads perfectly fine, what differences are there between the two?
[18:29] <KM0201> well, repos go down sometimes.. could be a server went down for some reason, network failure.. it doesnt necessarily mean they took it down
[18:29] <bin_bash> damadprof:  I think the difference is unity versus gnome. What graphics card do you have/>
[18:30] <damadprof> radeon 3650 512meg
[18:30] <ubuntuguy> k
[18:30] <KM0201> damadprof, do you have the 3D driver working properly?... cuz if you don't, unity won't load
[18:30] <ubuntuguy> Thanks for the help
[18:31] <damadprof> im a newbie - no idea how to check yet
[18:31] <KM0201> damadprof, well, i would start with system/admin/additional drivers
[18:31] <damadprof> oh yes, that is now activated
[18:31] <KM0201> ok... have you restarted since activating it?
[18:31] <damadprof> several times
[18:32] <KM0201> honestly, i don't know.. ATI can be problematic w/ Linux sometimes when it comes to 3D.