[00:00] <mattparry> Hi!  How can you tell which version of QT you are currently running?
[00:01] <peaches> matti: qtconfig. help->about
[00:01] <mattparry> peaches - Thank you
[00:05] <sixofour> w00t
[00:05] <sixofour> DasEI:  it worked
[00:05] <sixofour> ./ on 8gb and /home/ on 160gb
[00:05] <sixofour> 2gb swap on 160
[00:06] <DasEI> !yay | sixofour
[00:06] <sixofour> now, is there a diagnostic tool or something that can tell me that in general everything is ok?
[00:07] <DasEI> sixofour: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:07] <sixofour> what do those do and why are we using sudo?
[00:07] <DasEI> sixofour: if this gives no errrors, paketmangement is right and sys up to date
[00:07] <sixofour> from what i understand, sudo is never used..lol
[00:07] <DasEI> !sudo
[00:07] <sixofour> i know what sudo is
[00:08] <sixofour> but usiong it is what caused all the problems in the first place
[00:08] <coreyman> where is netbeans stored so i can select it as default filezilla editor?
[00:08] <DasEI> to install or updating soft root-privilegs are required
[00:09] <sixofour> but kdesudo firefox is not?
[00:09] <DasEI> ff is run as reglar user
[00:09] <giarca> any kde4 audio cd to mp3 application? I cant' find nothing... O_o
[00:10] <sixofour> amarok?
[00:10] <sixofour> !amarok
[00:10] <DasEI> sudo is for protecting system files, for a checking util might install rkhunter, sixofour
[00:10] <giarca> sixofour: are you sure? I find no option for that... I recheck!
[00:10] <sixofour> what were those upgrade commands again?
[00:11] <Slonkie> if i were to change my wifi card in the laptop, would i have to reinstall kubuntu?
[00:11] <DasEI> sixofour: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:11] <sixofour> you want to rip a cd into mp3s
[00:11] <sixofour> i think amarok can do it
[00:12] <giarca> sixofour: ok, I'm checking (find mp3 --> cd but not reverse)
[00:12] <DasEI> giarca: I use soundjuicer or k3b for that
[00:12] <sixofour> why not ask in #amarok?
[00:12] <giarca> ok sound-juicer I know
[00:12] <DasEI> !k3b
[00:12] <DasEI> ^ make isos, also
[00:13] <giarca> k3b is the way
[00:13] <sixofour> !information
[00:13] <sixofour> er?
[00:14] <DasEI> !brain
[00:14] <sixofour> he used to say "sorry, i do not know anything about information
[00:14] <sixofour> lol
[00:15] <DasEI> giarca: or even nero, if you got a license
[00:15] <Wazmyn> How can I search for a file?
[00:16] <DasEI> Wazmyn: on the hd ?
[00:16] <Wazmyn> DasEI: yes. I DL'd a file with Firefox and I don't know where it put the thing
[00:16] <DasEI> Wazmyn: sudo updatedb && locate <filename>
[00:17] <DasEI> Wazmyn: or check man find
[00:17] <DasEI> Wazmyn: you can check inn ff  where d/l's go to
[00:17] <boboso> where would i find my new hd that i just installed?
[00:17] <Dr_willis> most likely its where you ran firfox from.. or the Desktop or your home dir
[00:17] <DasEI> boboso: sudo fdisk -l
[00:18] <DasEI> boboso: then mount it somewhere and put an entry in fstab
[00:18] <Wazmyn> DasEI: well, I started to download something new and then went to the folder that came up, but didn't find it
[00:19] <DasEI> Wazmyn: you can check inn ff  where d/l's go to
[00:19] <Wazmyn> DasEI: does locate take wild cards?
[00:19] <DasEI> Wazmyn: yep, like anyfilewith*
[00:19] <Wazmyn> DasEI: hum, That didn't return anything
[00:20] <DasEI> Wazmyn: name of the file ?
[00:20] <DasEI> Wazmyn: ff > extras > downloads
[00:21] <Wazmyn> DasEI: it's long, it's the install EXE for Openoffice
[00:21] <DasEI> Wazmyn: ff > preferences > d/l - folder
[00:23] <Wazmyn> ok, DasEI, If i tell FF to "open containing folder" It asks me to tell it what app to open in, but instead of KMenu I get the standard GTK file dialog
[00:25] <DasEI> Wazmyn:exe ?
[00:25] <Wazmyn> Yes, I'm trying to put it on this windows laptop sitting beside me
[00:25] <Wazmyn> but to hell with it, i'm downloading it again and making sure I don't hit enter too fast this time
[00:26] <Wazmyn> I despise firefox. I cannot wait for Opera to get their 64 bit issues taken care of.
[00:26] <Dr_willis> click on the download link.. and it will show where it downloaded to..:)
[00:26] <Wazmyn> Dr_willis: how's that?
[00:26] <boboso> DasEI: do i format and partition before i mount?
[00:27] <DasEI> boboso: yes, if still no fs on it
[00:27] <boboso> DasEI: nothing i just bought it
[00:28] <DasEI> Wazmyn:sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[00:28] <DasEI> !gparted | boboso
[00:28] <Wazmyn> DasEI: yeah, except the destionation computer is running winders and does not have internet
[00:29] <DasEI> Wazmyn:erm.. linux-cmds on a win machine won't work
[00:30] <DasEI> Wazmyn:then you still a deb or a tarball, not the exe for a linux on, what is it running ? windows ?
[00:30] <DasEI> boboso: make sure to partition the RIGHT drive
[00:31] <boboso> DasEI: ty i will try to keep that in mind
[00:31] <boboso> DasEI:  what FS should i make it?
[00:31] <DasEI> boboso: gparted often like to be restarted after first partitioning it, before you can format
[00:31] <DasEI> boboso: ext3 for linux
[00:32] <DasEI> *likes^
[00:33] <DasEI> Wazmyn:does the machine run win or ubu ?
[00:34] <DasEI> !fstab
[00:34] <boboso> DasEI: disklabel type?
[00:35] <DasEI> boboso: none, just a name if you want
[00:36] <boboso> DasEI: cause it has like msdos, mac, bsd, and some other options
[00:37] <DasEI> boboso: linux
[00:38] <DasEI> Wazmyn: does the machine run win or ubu ?
[00:41] <j0enthn> is there a way to set a custom image for the lock screen ?...im using KUbuntu 8.10
[00:41] <j0enthn> instead of the default dark background
[00:42] <jamesjedimaster> the lock screen is the same than the screensaver, change the screensaver
[00:48] <j0enthn> jamesjedimaster: thanks a lot buddy, that woorked :)
[00:49] <jamesjedimaster> j0enthn: cool!
[00:50] <will_> Does anyone know what causes KDE4 to crash back to KDM upon resolution change? Could it be OpenGL used as the compositing type?
[00:57]  * Wazmyn hopes the guy that runs his ISP is in pain somewhere
[00:59] <tanjir> Wazmyn: the ISP guys will be in pain if they continue disconnecting you :P
[00:59] <draik_> will_: I'm on KDE4.2 and my desktop keeps crashing with the nVidia drivers. I think it might be more than OpenGL. This laptop is running with eye candy and no particular video drivers.
[01:00] <Wazmyn> tanjir:  the problem is major packet loss, that causes the router to drop off. It's anoying as hell
[01:02] <will_> Well.
[01:02] <will_> I have found out how to keep it from crashing.
[01:02] <will_> One sec ad i'll tell you what to disable to test your's out.
[01:02] <sixofour> is there any program like paintshop or photoshop on linux? ..that isn't GIMP
[01:03] <kurumin> oi
[01:03] <will_> System setting's > Desktop > Uncheck Enable desktop effect's.
[01:04] <kurumin> hello
[01:04] <will_> It should keep yoru KDE4 from crashing on resolution changes and DRI changes.
[01:04] <will_> Hello.
[01:07] <draik_> will_: The desktop crashes, not the laptop
[01:07] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: maybe http://www.koffice.org/krita/
[01:08] <will_> Yes.
[01:08] <will_> I know what you mean.
[01:08] <will_> It kick's you back to the login screen right?
[01:08] <draik_> Nope
[01:08] <will_> Oh, well then yoru on yoru own on that one.
[01:08] <draik_> The desktop freezes; launching Firefox, Thunderbird, Amarok, System Settings... just about any app
[01:09] <will_> I can't believe Nvidia driver's are unstable to a point like that.
[01:09] <will_> I'm running a crummy Intel 945GMA and i don't get anything that bad.
[01:10] <draik_> Desktop is 3.2GHz p4 with 3GB of RAM
[01:11] <sixofour> Slartibartfast:  maby?
[01:11] <draik_> nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE, 256MB
[01:11] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: try it out, i am not sure how it compares to your experience with paintshop and photoshop
[01:11] <draik_> I used the following drivers: 96, 173 and 180 all failed.
[01:12] <sixofour> try what?
[01:12] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: krita
[01:12] <sixofour> krita
[01:12] <sixofour> ok
[01:12] <Slartibartfast> !krita
[01:13] <draik_> 173, through EnvyNG however, seemed to have fixed my issues as I was flying and everything was peachy. A few minutes later and I got a black screen and a frozen computer. Screen came back after a few seconds, but it was all still frozen.
[01:13] <Slartibartfast> Description: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite
[01:13] <sixofour> pixel based?
[01:13] <Slartibartfast> yeah :-) ... maipulate pixel by pixel :-)
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Vs. 'vector' based
[01:14] <Slartibartfast> manipulate
[01:14] <sixofour> er
[01:14] <Dr_willis> bitmapped :)
[01:14] <sixofour> what is paintshop?
[01:14] <sixofour> i don't use vector
[01:14] <Slartibartfast> not vextor based ... illustrater is vector based i think
[01:14] <sixofour> it all depends what features krita has
[01:15] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: try it out and see what it can do for you
[01:15] <Slartibartfast> i myself like gimp
[01:15] <sixofour> i hear gimp is horrible lol
[01:16] <sixofour> and i tried it once long ago and didn't like uit
[01:16] <sixofour> couldn't even figure out how to "draw"
[01:17] <Slartibartfast> since long ago and now there has been done a lot of development
[01:17] <Dr_willis> !gimp
[01:17] <Dr_willis> gimp isent about 'drawing'
[01:17] <Dr_willis> its about manipulation
[01:17] <sixofour> i need "drawing"
[01:17] <Dr_willis> The look for a drawing program.
[01:17] <Dr_willis> I guess. :)
[01:17] <sixofour> start with a white page with layers, and form an image
[01:18] <Dr_willis> depends on what you are drawing
[01:18] <sixofour> 2d stuff
[01:18] <Dr_willis> wow.. 2d stuff... thats specific :)
[01:18] <sixofour> lol
[01:18] <sixofour> ever watched flapjack ?
[01:18] <Dr_willis> go to the store.. get some paper.. and some pens.. and a scanner...
[01:18] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[01:18] <sixofour> oh i can't draw in real life worth a crap
[01:19] <Dr_willis> There are animation type programs that focus on doing  drawings like the old 'cell animation' way.. then there are other tools.. :)
[01:19] <sixofour> i'm drawing cartoon looking stuff
[01:19] <Dr_willis> theres that one .net/mono paint program out also.
[01:19] <draik_> sixofour: Don't feel too bad, I can't draw a straight line
[01:19] <Dr_willis> !find mtpaint
[01:19] <Dr_willis> !info mtpaint
[01:19] <sixofour> lol
[01:19] <sixofour> even though its just drawing, its a bit more advanced than any ##paint program that i need
[01:20] <Dr_willis> all i draw are icons
[01:20] <sixofour> i'm probably gonna use paintshop with wine
[01:20] <draik_> I can't draw conclusions sometimes :(
[01:20] <Dr_willis> this is linux.. use what youw ant.
[01:20] <sixofour> cronodevir.deviantart.com i'm a noob still
[01:20]  * Dr_willis can draw blank stares
[01:20]  * Dr_willis can draw a crowd
[01:20] <sixofour> but that's what i am doing
[01:21] <newbie2573> hey, i have a question: i'm upgrading from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10, and the download is really slow. (30 kB/s) is there anything i can do to speed it up?
[01:21] <sixofour> lol
[01:21] <sixofour> torrent?
[01:22] <sixofour> use the ftp
[01:22] <Dr_willis> try some other mirrors i guess..  but i forget how to find the faster mirrors
[01:22] <newbie2573> i can't find my cds so i'm upgrading via the net
[01:22] <Dr_willis> the upgrade would be using the ftp servers.
[01:22] <newbie2573> otherwise i woiuld DL the torrent
[01:23] <newbie2573> i'm already 40% done, there's probably not much point in starting all over now is there
[01:23] <newbie2573> thanks anyways
[01:23] <Dr_willis> I think theres some slowness now because a new update/relese of the next ubuntu came out.. so a lot of people are gettting it from the servers
[01:23] <newbie2573> that makes sense
[01:24] <newbie2573> also, i used gnome before and i'm trying kde for the first time, do you think someone like me will like 8.10 a lot more than 8.0.4?
[01:24] <newbie2573> 8.4* (?)
[01:24] <Dr_willis> gnome hasent changed a lot..
[01:24] <Dr_willis> kde 3 to kde4 is a HUGE change
[01:24] <newbie2573> yeah
[01:25] <newbie2573> yeah, ive seen the screenshots
[01:25] <newbie2573> it looks almost like windows
[01:25] <Dr_willis> 'every thing looks like wiondows'
[01:25] <newbie2573> i'm more of a mac guy but so far i hade kde3 and i wasn't too big on gnome
[01:25] <sixofour> mac
[01:25] <Dr_willis> it has a panel and a start button.. golly.. it looks like windows...
[01:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:25] <newbie2573> lol
[01:25] <newbie2573> well
[01:25] <sixofour> mac has a panel
[01:25] <sixofour> on the top
[01:25] <sixofour> right?
[01:26] <newbie2573> it has the sidebar in the file browser
[01:26] <newbie2573> yeah
[01:26] <newbie2573> like gnome
[01:26] <newbie2573> except the menu for each program is at the top
[01:26] <sixofour> last time i used mac, it wasd called macintosh and the monitor and keybord were connected
[01:26] <newbie2573> heh
[01:26] <newbie2573> wow
[01:26] <Dr_willis> I got a Imac - it makes a good doorstop
[01:26] <newbie2573> that's a long time ago
[01:26] <sixofour> and it had a 5 inch drive
[01:26] <Dr_willis> I got a macSE also. :)
[01:26] <sixofour> theo big folppies
[01:26] <newbie2573> i have an imac g5, i want to install kubuntu on it because this computer has a really bad video card
[01:26] <MacProKubuntu64> Mac Pro here :D
[01:27] <newbie2573> nice
[01:27] <sixofour> you want linux because the video card is bad?
[01:27] <newbie2573> no..
[01:27] <newbie2573> i want to put it on the other computer so i don't have to use this one
[01:27] <draik_> Yeah, I got thrown off by that comment, too.
[01:27] <newbie2573> but i'm scared to do that.
[01:28] <sixofour> just do sudo rm -R / on your mac
[01:28] <newbie2573> i don't have any way to back up that computer and i really like the way it's set up right now
[01:28] <MacProKubuntu64> Install was fine besides not being able to read anything due to extremly small text. Had to set to 75dpi after straining my eyes Lol
[01:28] <newbie2573> lol
[01:28] <newbie2573> i'm not that much of a noob ;)
[01:28] <newbie2573> i know what that does.
[01:28] <sixofour> they shoudl; make commands like that give you a y/n prompt
[01:28] <newbie2573> yeah
[01:28] <newbie2573> i agree
[01:28] <MacProKubuntu64> I would say OpenSolaris play much better "out of the box" for Mac
[01:29] <sixofour> or if you hit ctrl alt backspace kde restarts..no wanring, or anything
[01:29] <newbie2573> how is it for a linux newbie though?
[01:29] <sixofour> i'm a newbie
[01:29] <MacProKubuntu64> OpenSolaris is great I just do not like Gnome
[01:29] <newbie2573> so most of you used kde before 4.0 came out?
[01:29] <Dr_willis> yes..
[01:30] <newbie2573> heh
[01:30] <Dr_willis> and when kde4 came out.. i switched to gnome... :()
[01:30] <Dr_willis> go figure
[01:30] <newbie2573> lol
[01:30] <sixofour> how do i find the filepath i am currently in?
[01:30] <MacProKubuntu64> I have used KDE since mandrake 6 i think
[01:30] <newbie2573> why?
[01:30] <Dr_willis> sixofour,  'pwd' command
[01:30] <sixofour> kde4 was garbage when it was new
[01:30] <sixofour> pwd?
[01:30] <Dr_willis> kde4 does not play nicely on my  netbook
[01:30] <newbie2573> Dr_willis, what about the upgrade made you switch?>
[01:30] <newbie2573> ah
[01:31] <Dr_willis> kde4 also dident really offer any features i needed over kde3...
[01:31] <draik_> Speaking of noobs to the 'rm' command, I found out who the real geeks were from the 'snobby rich' people when they released the Google phone. People were told to use 'rm /*' to fix a bug on the phone.  I hope sooner than later
[01:32] <Dr_willis> your failure to learn is not a failure of the OS.
[01:32] <sixofour> not everyone cares or wants to elarn all that stuff, they just want a free OS
[01:32] <Dr_willis> and the people making the OS want a tool they can use.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> this 'focus' on the desktop is actually 'secondary' to the main goal.
[01:33] <sixofour> it is for other distros
[01:33] <sixofour> kubutnu is about making ti easy for nublets
[01:33] <newbie2573> i was thinking
[01:34] <draik_> My friend's 8-year old daughter really surprised him when she told him about how her Windows XP can't play a DVD due to missing encoders and that she needs to buy them.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> peoplle want free stuff. then they companin and rant and rave and get mad at it.. but tjhey will pay $300+ for windows.. and not even whimper.. oh well...
[01:34] <sixofour> "a tool you can use" doesn't help FOSS or anyone out
[01:34] <newbie2573> it would be great if *buntu had a really good ui of its own
[01:34] <draik_> Maybe this summer I will be teaching her to use Kubuntu
[01:34] <newbie2573> something completely new
[01:34] <newbie2573> you know?
[01:34] <sixofour> people pay for windows because they think its the only option
[01:34] <newbie2573> yeah
[01:34] <draik_> That's just sad
[01:34] <Dr_willis> The more you lower the bar   for 'idiot proofing' the more stupid people tend to act it seems..
[01:34] <sixofour> linux has 0 advertisment
[01:34] <Dr_willis> Ive seen linux comercials..
[01:34] <sixofour> this is why there are distros
[01:35] <newbie2573> dr_willis: on tv? in papers?
[01:35] <Dr_willis> IBM i think ran them a while back.
[01:35] <sixofour> leet people can use fedora or something, and nubs can use buntu :D
[01:35] <Dr_willis> on TV..
[01:35] <newbie2573> ah
[01:35] <newbie2573> really?
[01:35] <newbie2573> must have been before my time
[01:35] <Dr_willis> i forget when.. it was some time ago.
[01:35] <sixofour> this is why i use buntu, i want to install it and mostly forget about it
[01:35] <Dr_willis> IBM or INTEL.. or one of the big companies
[01:35] <sixofour> not spend years trying to figure out the delete command from the gigvolumes of documents
[01:35] <draik_> Dr_willis: I think you're right. I'm trying to recall seeing a Linux commercial
[01:36] <Slartibartfast> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=linux+IBM&aq=f
[01:36] <sixofour> only linux comercial i seen was a youtube video
[01:36] <Dr_willis> draik_,  i was thinking one even ran during the superbowl
[01:36] <newbie2573> if i won the lottery, i would pay for a linux ad during the superbowl
[01:36] <newbie2573> :)
[01:36] <sixofour> linux won't be widely sued untill you can pop it in and hit next
[01:36] <sixofour> used*
[01:37] <newbie2573> yeah
[01:37] <newbie2573> hopefully they're never widely sued
[01:37] <newbie2573> lol
[01:37] <vale> hi
[01:37] <sixofour> used* :P
[01:37] <draik_> I think that if all Linux users put together $1 we can make quite a few commercials spoofing that of the Mac vs PC
[01:37] <Slartibartfast> i think this one is nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwEWxpOWOok
[01:37] <Dr_willis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cldeHjFig_c
[01:37] <sixofour> draik_:  that would give us about a thousand dollars
[01:38] <newbie2573> I can see it now
[01:38] <draik_> There's more than one thousand Linux users
[01:38] <newbie2573> Hi, I'm a Mac. Hi, I'm a PC.
[01:38] <newbie2573> Hi, I'm Linux.
[01:38] <newbie2573> (guy dressed in 2nd hand clothes)
[01:38] <newbie2573> i get everything for free!
[01:38] <newbie2573> ;/
[01:39] <newbie2573> i think it would be hard to advertise
[01:39] <Dr_willis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BesI6NEPWlM   superbown commerial
[01:39] <newbie2573> most people are brainwashed into thinking they have to pay for an OS
[01:39] <sixofour> IBM supports linux only in the place if it can get a way to control it
[01:39] <sixofour> bitorrent, you don't have to pay for anything
[01:39] <Dr_willis> debateable statement.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> if IBM made cars.. linux wouldbe the 'road' :)
[01:40] <jetahot> lol
[01:40] <Dr_willis> that way ibm can focus on cars... and not worry about the road.
[01:40] <jetahot> truth indeed
[01:40] <Dr_willis> 'Linux makes the OS into a commadity' like roadways, and elctricity, and water..
[01:40] <sixofour> untill DRM technology is produced
[01:40] <sixofour> by ibm
[01:41] <sixofour> then control of the software won't matter
[01:41] <Dr_willis> DRM is a small part of the computer world.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> its just what all the warezers worry about. :P
[01:41] <sixofour> DRM is the future of electronic technology unfortinatly
[01:41] <draik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JqtMgiUaf4
[01:42] <sixofour> if it wasn't for wazrers mentality, linux wouldn't be here :P
[01:43] <sixofour> getting somethign free and open
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Nope.. incorrect.
[01:43] <Slartibartfast> free software is not about "not paying for it" ... you all know that right?
[01:43] <Dr_willis> people like to 'share' and show off their work..
[01:44] <sixofour> and people shouldn't be able to sell so called intellectual property
[01:44] <kuaera> Slartibartfast: I know what FOSS is about, and that's why I'm here.
[01:44] <sixofour> and it certainly shouldn't be a crime to copy it
[01:44] <kuaera> People can participate in the improvement of the software they use
[01:44] <Slartibartfast> kuaera: right :-)
[01:45] <kuaera> It's pretty much democratic principles applied to software, in the pure sense.
[01:45] <sixofour> kuaera:  most people don't give a crap about that idea
[01:45] <kuaera> sixofour: A lot of people give a crap about that idea.
[01:45] <sixofour> ive no intention of improving software
[01:45] <Dr_willis> if i make somthing.. i should be able to do what i want with it.. give it away. or sell it.. or license it in such a way that i feel it does the most public good.
[01:45] <sixofour> i'm using it because its gratis
[01:45] <darlykaiser> hello
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Im using it because it works better.
[01:46] <sixofour> yep will and if you give it to someone else, they should be able to do the same
[01:46] <kuaera> I'm using it because it works better and because I can learn from it.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> 'give' is the definitive word here..  I can GIVE it or i can license it under   whatever i feel like.
[01:46] <sixofour> if i sell something, i loose the rights to that thing
[01:47] <kuaera> It's a new desktop environment, still maintaining its server roots. People like you, sixofour, are going to hop on the bandwagon and criticise it because it's not what you want it to be.
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Depends on  how you sell it. :)
[01:47] <sixofour> they can do what ever they want, make a million copies and sell them if they chose
[01:47] <sixofour> who crtiizising?
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu Comercial --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJTp6KE3KtA&feature=related
[01:49] <sixofour> they should put a poll in tjhe installer of the next ubuntu version, do people care about the idea of open software or do they use it because its free?
[01:50] <sixofour> i bet the latter would win
[01:50] <Dr_willis> half of the stuff i do at work helpomng people with linux - is educating them about the 'freedom' aspect.. not the 'free' cost aspect.
[01:51] <Dr_willis> Linux will be around for a LONG time because of the freedom , not because its 'cost free'
[01:51] <newbie2573> the only reason i use ubuntu is because i can learn from it
[01:51] <Dr_willis> learning is good. :)
[01:51] <sixofour> linux will be around for a little while because there is no way for MS to stop people from using it
[01:51] <newbie2573> yeah. ;)
[01:51] <newbie2573> i want to go into comp sci some day
[01:51] <sixofour> yet
[01:51] <Slartibartfast> Indeed it is all about sharing the knowledge
[01:52] <Dr_willis> Im GLAD i did NOT go into CompSci :)
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> same as science
[01:52] <newbie2573> really? why?
[01:52] <sixofour> Slartibartfast: that's what they don't want, shareing knowldge
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> who are they ?
[01:52] <newbie2573> well, not comp sci, but something computer related
[01:52] <Dr_willis> its gone from a 'big deal job' to a 'lets outsource it to some 3rd world country work' from the CS majors i know who work at barious busindeese.
[01:52] <sixofour> microsoft and other companies pushing this DRM hardware stuff
[01:53] <newbie2573> yeah, so ive heard
[01:53] <newbie2573> DRM is the devil
[01:53] <Dr_willis> there will always be a job in VCR repair!
[01:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:53] <newbie2573> well not really
[01:53] <newbie2573> no one uses them anymore :P
[01:53] <sixofour> blueray lol horrible
[01:53] <newbie2573> the way i see it
[01:53] <newbie2573> the digital world should work the same as the real world
[01:54] <sixofour> look at consoles, and you see the future of computers
[01:54] <newbie2573> there's no such thing as real world drm
[01:54] <sixofour> closed boxes with limtied input
[01:54] <newbie2573> oh god
[01:54] <newbie2573> you think so
[01:54] <newbie2573> ?
[01:54] <newbie2573> i hope not
[01:54] <Slartibartfast> Well you can choose with your wallet not to use it ... for me Divx is good enough .
[01:54] <Dr_willis> ive yet to see any copy protection that worked for very long.
[01:54] <sixofour> all code will be gotten from an "apt-geT" like system, only it will be owned by one single company
[01:55] <newbie2573> i see what you're saying though
[01:55]  * Slartibartfast starting up rtorrent again :-)
[01:55] <newbie2573> the console companies are trying to make people see them as a universal entertainment device
[01:55] <sixofour> dr_wills that is msotly because breaking DRM is not a crime yet
[01:55] <newbie2573> not just as a video game system
[01:55] <sixofour> you can't go to jail for tampering with hardware and software
[01:56] <sixofour> newbie2573: with consoles, the comapny also has complete and utter control over what your allowed to see
[01:56] <newbie2573> true
[01:56] <sixofour> unless you mod it
[01:56] <newbie2573> yeah
[01:56] <newbie2573> and then you can't use a lot of the features like online stuff
[01:56] <sixofour> but , for instance, sotres in my city don't sell PSP batteries because they could be used to mod your opsp
[01:56] <newbie2573> because they ban your console
[01:56] <sixofour> stores*
[01:56] <newbie2573> heh
[01:56] <sixofour> friend went to get a psp battery and they told him that, it was an ebgames
[01:57] <newbie2573> ..
[01:57] <sixofour> they no longer sell them because of piracy lol
[01:57] <newbie2573> wow
[01:57] <newbie2573> heh
[01:57] <yemcrx> ok, well fresh install of kubutu 64bit and I can't find firefox in the repos, any ideas
[01:57] <Dr_willis> ive learned to not trust EBgames very much..
[01:57] <Dr_willis> then again..i gave my PSP to my brother.. who went and got it modded. :P
[01:58] <sixofour> but anyways, if free software is to survive they need software that is gratis and compeltely noob friendly
[01:58] <Slartibartfast> yemcrx: where did you search ?
[01:58] <Dr_willis> noob friendly has nothing to do with it.
[01:58] <yemcrx> adept
[01:58] <sixofour> yes it does
[01:58] <sixofour> no one wants complex software
[01:58] <sixofour> joe average is stupid remember?
[01:58] <Slartibartfast> Maybe just open a console and do sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:58] <yemcrx> is there not a version of ff for 64bit
[01:58] <newbie2573> i think that right now, people see linux as a free, half broken, only used by geeks, alternative to paid OSes
[01:58] <Dr_willis> no it dosetn..  it has to do what the person MAKING the sofware wants..  if the noobs dont like it.. they are not supporting it anyway.
[01:58] <yemcrx> hmm I'll try
[01:58] <Slartibartfast> there is
[01:58] <newbie2573> that needs to change first
[01:58] <newbie2573> like,
[01:58] <sixofour> will noobs are 95% of the users
[01:59] <Dr_willis> and they are niot doing any actual work to 'support' the software.
[01:59] <newbie2573> like it needs to be a lot easier to configure stuff
[01:59] <MartinW|Laptop> What is the command for joining the QuakeNet?
[01:59] <newbie2573> Dr_willis: how does one support the software?
[01:59] <newbie2573> donations?
[01:59] <sixofour> wills being sued is the best support
[01:59] <sixofour> used*
[01:59] <sixofour> who cares abotu software no one uses?
[01:59] <newbie2573> like if you don't have any coding skills
[01:59] <yemcrx> well its there with the console commands, kinda wierd
[01:59] <Dr_willis> bug reports, donations, supporting other related things.. helping in irc..
[01:59] <sixofour> look at freeBSD
[01:59] <Dr_willis> wiki pages...
[01:59] <Dr_willis> I dont do much coding.. but i do a lot of wiki page editing.
[02:00] <Dr_willis> and i do TONS of IRC support
[02:00] <Dr_willis> and real life linux support for friends
[02:00] <sixofour> what does it matter if only 15 people use that OS you support?
[02:00] <yemcrx> I have converted at least 10 friends myself to linux
[02:00] <newbie2573> well
[02:00] <Slartibartfast> yemcrx: Yeah , so i could not find a lot of software which  i just could in stall with apt-get
[02:00] <newbie2573> if you help them use it theyre more likely to use it
[02:00] <Dr_willis> sixofour,  what does it matter if<PHONE_NUMBER>00 use it.
[02:00] <sixofour> linux needs legions of stupid users so that companies like mcirosft cannot so easyly destroy it
[02:00] <newbie2573> and more likely to tell other people to use it.
[02:00] <newbie2573> lol yeah
[02:01] <sixofour> mcirosfy can buy a law making open software illegal lol
[02:01] <Dr_willis> if i make 'Bubbaedit' - i make it for my needs.. not yours.. if it suites you.. fine if not..  change it.. or find somthing else.
[02:01] <sixofour> the government can make it mandatory to use a certain OS
[02:01] <Dr_willis> i can Licsnes it under th GPL so others can gain the most from my work.
[02:01] <newbie2573> the thing is
[02:01] <sixofour> you think it, they can do it
[02:01] <yemcrx> I saw some windows ads on the tele last night and though man if there were only some linux ads I htink many more people would try and/or use it
[02:01] <newbie2573> linux is mostly made by people who's day job isn't to support it
[02:01] <newbie2573> people who work for ms and apple are piad
[02:02] <newbie2573> paid*
[02:02] <Dr_willis>  government can make it mandatory  that you run around naked on every thursday..but i dobut if thats going to happen either.
[02:02] <sixofour> the point is, big companeis could eventually make GPL illegal
[02:02] <newbie2573> yeah
[02:02] <Dr_willis> the Gov could  make GPL a requirement also.
[02:02] <newbie2573> most people would be too uninformed to see the consequences
[02:02] <Slartibartfast> newbie2573: But next to the people who make Linux software there are also a lot of people who support it
[02:02] <sixofour> "gpl has becasme illegal this mornign due to terrorist using this to distributed malicious programs used to attack our nation"
[02:02] <newbie2573> true
[02:03] <sixofour> "so from now on X system will be used to monitor all code beign sent through X cable comapnies"
[02:03] <Dr_willis> In fact i recall that most software (all?) made by the Govenment is Public domain...   I forget what i used in college but it was from a Gov. project.
[02:03] <sixofour> or X ISPs
[02:03] <sixofour> wills
[02:03] <sixofour> government is also in major debt, and big companies have major money
[02:04] <sixofour> if haliburton can make ameirca fight iraq, i am sure microsoft can make them drop gpl
[02:04] <newbie2573> the government and military of the us used windows
[02:04] <newbie2573> uses*
[02:04] <sixofour> they sued vista then dropped it lol
[02:04] <sixofour> used*
[02:04] <Dr_willis> they also use oither OS's depending on the needs of the system
[02:04] <newbie2573> heh
[02:04] <Slartibartfast> they even use linux
[02:04] <sixofour> anyways, it all sounds far fetched, but you never know what a big comapny with money can do
[02:04] <Dr_willis> work timne for me. bye all
[02:05] <Dr_willis> 'its people! Linux OS is People!'
[02:05] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:05] <sixofour> microsoft can put out an ad that using linux entails installing a rootkit on your pc
[02:05] <kuaera> No, it can't.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> then sony comes out and actually DOES it on windows...
[02:05] <sixofour> nubs won't know the difference and believe it
[02:05] <kuaera> No, they cannot put false information in a commercial.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> so we are back to educating the public..
[02:05] <sixofour> linux reputation permanatly ruined
[02:06] <newbie2573> I think the thing that would help the most
[02:06] <sixofour> LOL
[02:06] <newbie2573> by far
[02:06] <Dr_willis> there is no perment ruin -  or MS and APPLE would both be gone.
[02:06] <sixofour> can't put false info on a cmercial !!
[02:06] <sixofour> lol
[02:06] <newbie2573> not yet
[02:06] <newbie2573> lol
[02:06] <sixofour> wow
[02:06] <newbie2573> anyways
[02:06] <kuaera> sixofour: Apple, iPhone, the UK. Look it up and stop spewing FUD. It's annoying.
[02:06] <sixofour> ms and apple have money to fix themselves
[02:06] <newbie2573> i think schools need to teach kids how to use linux
[02:06] <sixofour> pft UK
[02:06] <newbie2573> and teach them the benefits of FOSS
[02:06] <kuaera> newbie2573: No.
[02:07] <newbie2573> why nott?
[02:07] <newbie2573> not*
[02:07] <sixofour> shcools need to teach kids education first
[02:07] <kuaera> Teach kids computer basics. It's up to them to learn how to apply their skills to their system.
[02:07] <newbie2573> hm
[02:07] <newbie2573> i guess
[02:07] <newbie2573> but what i mean is..
[02:07] <newbie2573> if a school has 5 computer labs, one of them should run ubuntu
[02:07] <yemcrx> what's there to learn my 4yr old uses kubuntu with no issues
[02:07] <newbie2573> at least get people used to using it
[02:08] <sixofour> yemcrx:  he wants people to learn how to build a kernal from scratch
[02:08] <yemcrx> ah
[02:08] <sixofour> that is considered ubuntu basics
[02:08] <sigma92> hey guys, i just downloaded jaunty alpha 6. upon launching it plasma crashes.
[02:08] <jvinokur> isn't xbuntu designed for that?
[02:08] <kuaera> yemcrx: Does your four-year-old use word processing?  I must add, Linux printing is superior
[02:09] <yemcrx> and yeah she knows how to print to our print on the network
[02:09] <sigma92> i tried to run plasma manually from the commandline, and get this error
[02:09] <sixofour> what is plasma?
[02:09] <sixofour> is that the yellow box on my desktop?
[02:09] <kuaera> sixofour: KDE 4 desktop.
[02:09] <newbie2573> the desktop widgets on kubuntu 8.20
[02:09] <newbie2573> 10*
[02:09] <newbie2573> yeah
[02:09] <sigma92> plasma is the desktop and taskbar in kde4
[02:09] <sixofour> what is the grey box for?
[02:09] <newbie2573> there's a bunch of different things, not just the yellow sticky pad
[02:10] <newbie2573> the task bar is one of them too
[02:10] <sixofour> the widget thing ahs been here since kde2.5 iirc
[02:10] <newbie2573> basically it's everything on your deskto
[02:10] <sigma92> error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply"
[02:10] <sixofour> the task abr isn;'t new :/
[02:10] <newbie2573> the taskbars and all
[02:10] <sixofour> bar isn't new*
[02:10] <newbie2573> it's a new way of doing it
[02:10] <newbie2573> just google it
[02:10] <newbie2573> wikipedia has something on it
[02:10] <newbie2573> en.wikipedia.org/Plasma
[02:10] <sigma92> anyway the point is
[02:11] <sigma92> this is a pretty showstopping bug... even for an alpha release
[02:11] <sigma92> i googled that error
[02:11] <sigma92> got a launchpad bug that says the fix is committed...
[02:11] <newbie2573> sixofour: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/desktop.php
[02:11] <sigma92> but i downloaded all updates (had to get on an ethernet wire, plasma now controls network manager)
[02:11] <sigma92> no dice.
[02:11] <sigma92> anyone know what's going on?
[02:11] <sigma92> i mean i essentially have no desktop
[02:12] <sigma92> and you'd think that'd be something thye'd check before rolling out an alpha release...
[02:14] <Slartibartfast> sigma92: discussions about jaunty alpha software -> #ubuntu+1
[02:14] <sixofour> how can i search in konsole a fodler for files that have *.exe ?
[02:15] <sixofour> folder*
[02:15] <sixofour> search folder and sub folders
[02:15] <Slartibartfast> CTRL + F
[02:15] <Slartibartfast> in dolphin :-)
[02:15] <sixofour> in konsole
[02:16] <Slartibartfast> find /path/to/directory -name *.exe
[02:17] <sixofour> i knwo this wouldn't work :(
[02:18] <sixofour> !wine
[02:20] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: otheriwse when you have locate installed ... do  "updatedb" ... locate *.exe
[02:20] <sixofour> i found it
[02:21] <sixofour> but paintshoppro9.exe failed to run
[02:21] <sixofour> lol
[02:21] <sixofour> with wine
[02:21] <Slartibartfast> ah :-)
[02:21] <sixofour> what is the site with the list of aps that run in wine?
[02:21] <Slartibartfast> maybe install a virtualbox when your windows programs need windows
[02:22]  * MacProKubuntu64 is away: Gone away for now
[02:22] <Slartibartfast> mmm not sure ... www.winehq.org ?
[02:23] <DasEI> sixofour: or join #wine-hq
[02:25] <beardbar> anyone running 3 monitors on 8.10 here?
[02:25] <sixofour> does utorrent work on linux?
[02:26] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: yes ... with wine
[02:28] <sixofour> utorrent isn't native to linux?..hrm, is there a torrent program native to linux?
[02:28] <sixofour> that has ctronols for ratio and such
[02:28] <sixofour> controls*
[02:28] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: a lot
[02:28] <sixofour> the best?
[02:28] <Slartibartfast> can't say ... :-)
[02:28] <sixofour> ...
[02:28] <sixofour> the most popuklar?
[02:28] <Slartibartfast> ktorrent ?
[02:29] <Slartibartfast> transmission ?
[02:29] <Slartibartfast> azureus also working with java
[02:29] <DasEI> sixofour:utorrent works with wine, and
[02:29] <DasEI> !torrent
[02:29] <Slartibartfast> i like the console interface of rtorrent
[02:29] <sixofour> i'm getting ktorrent
[02:30] <sixofour> i already have it o0
[02:30] <yemcrx> man adept is acting wierd on me, firefox and kubuntu-restricted-extras wasn't listed in the repos I had to use the command line apt-get to install them
[02:30] <yemcrx> any ideas
[02:31] <Slartibartfast> yemcrx: no ... but i like to use the console more to install software so using that more
[02:32] <cuki> does anybnows why can i conect with vodafone mobile connect card and not be able to navigate whit konqueror? Does it have somethin to do with dns?
[02:32] <yemcrx> even after adding the medibuntu repo, w64codecs would not show up in adept, had to revert to the comamnd line. I'm wondering if it has to do with using kubuntu64 vs 32
[02:32] <Pirate-King> could someone check this paste bin out please http://pastebin.ws/5k7geq
[02:32] <sixofour> ugh wtf
[02:32] <sixofour> i still need sudo to write to /home/user/
[02:33] <demi> I'm loving this Kubuntu, It supports alot more than what I could maunually get Freebsd to support, mainly my ATI card.
[02:33] <Slartibartfast> yemcrx: no also in my 32bits system adept does not show a lot of software ...
[02:33] <demi> I got Everquest running Flawlessly in Wine which is fun.
[02:33] <sixofour> wow oldschool
[02:33] <sixofour> everquest'
[02:33] <demi> EQ still owns man
[02:34] <sixofour> everquest is a chatroom where people sit around spawn points all day killing
[02:34] <demi> 10th aniversary shit coming up in 4 days, lol
[02:34] <demi> nah it has changed alot
[02:34] <sixofour> well, i will brb nontheless
[02:34] <demi> Lotsa fun quests, killer group/raid gear, awesome/hard raid content.
[02:35] <yemcrx> I install from a kubuntu 64 CD this time vs usually using the Alternate disk or the DVD, wonder if somethings missing
[02:35] <demi> dvd mainly had just a shit ton of extra language support, from what I have read.
[02:36] <stdin> !language
[02:36] <demi> maybe some extra packages, but better off going online for those using adept or your favorite package manager.
[02:36] <demi> I'm sorry.
[02:37] <cuki> what do i need to use konqueror to navigate with a 3g hauwei modem? tnx...
[02:40] <Slartibartfast> cuki: http://ubuntu3215w.blogspot.com/2008/05/huawei-e220-3g-modem-howto.html
[02:40] <boboso> would anyone know why when i type gksu gedit /etc/fstab it start to load up and then goes away and goes back to the command prompt
[02:40] <cuki> tanks slartibartfast...
[02:41] <yemcrx> man even edubuntu-desktop does not apear in the repos
[02:42] <cuki> but, i can't acess to link, do i have another browser to use in kubuntu 8.04. I'm a fist time user....
[02:42] <Slartibartfast> cuki: firefox ?
[02:42] <demi> Don't think so, I use Firefox/Epiphany
[02:42] <demi> Have to Download them though.
[02:43] <draik_> I know that what I'm doing now is insanity, but there's got to be a way for me to get the nVidia driver to work on my desktop.
[02:43] <Slartibartfast> cuki: also this link might be helpful for you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5236149#post5236149
[02:43] <yemcrx> i think adept is f'd up, possibly after I clicked one of the state icons, ie so it would not show (not installed) items ?
[02:43] <demi> did you add a wrong repo addy in your sources?
[02:43] <yemcrx> nope
[02:43] <demi> that would prevent ti to load I did the same thing
[02:44] <p_quarles> boboso: since this is Kubuntu, what about kdesudo kate /etc/fstab ?
[02:44] <yemcrx> I'll double check
[02:44] <Slartibartfast> draik_: what nvidia driver you use ?
[02:44] <draik_> 173 as recommended
[02:44] <draik_> Slartibartfast: I have used 96, 173 and 180
[02:44] <boboso> p_quarles: oh ok i was just following some web site ty
[02:44] <cuki> i tryed, unless it is on the dvd media...
[02:44] <Slartibartfast> i thought there was also  177
[02:44] <draik_> Slartibartfast: Any driver I use freezes my desktop
[02:45] <draik_> 177 does not support my card, GeForce FX 5700LE
[02:45] <Slartibartfast> 177 i use on kubuntu8.10 on my laptop
[02:45] <Slartibartfast> aaaaah
[02:45] <Slartibartfast> ok ok
[02:45] <p_quarles> boboso: right; you can easily install gksu and gedit, but they don't come default with Kubuntu
[02:45] <demi> Cuki - It should be on the dvd media I would imagine. Not sure though.
[02:45] <boboso> p_quarles: right i got kate working ty
[02:45] <cuki> i'm looking now
[02:46] <beardbar> anyone have compiz fusion working in 8.10?
[02:47] <Slartibartfast> draik_: hmmmm ... not sure, but if the ubuntu drivers crash your Xorg maybe you can try to download the drivers directly from Nvidia ?
[02:50] <goofey> beardbar: why would anyone use compix fusion in *kubunt* 8.10 - kde has it's own composite manager
[02:50] <demi> Beardbar - I culd not get it to work through compizconfig setting manager, but after installing that and a few other things, for compiz I was able to go to System Settings>Desktop and there will/should be a new tab "All Effects" which those effects worked.
[02:50] <demi> Stil some effects, like Explosion's and etc wotn work...
[02:50] <draik_> Slartibartfast: I was going to try that right now and I just lost my connection to all of the interwebs
[02:51] <draik_> Rebooting now
[02:51] <beardbar> draik_: id purge your current nvidia drivers, then download directly from nvidia install. that got my 9800gt working, not sure about your card though
[02:52] <draik_> beardbar: How do I purge the 173 I have now for the 173 from the nVidia site?
[02:52] <draik_> Same version, BTW
[02:52] <beardbar> goofey: ive been out of the scene for 3 years so I might not need it? im still trying to get hte third monitor going hehe.
[02:52] <Slartibartfast> apt-get --purge remove nvidia-xxxxxx
[02:53] <draik_> 8.10 only uses nvidia-glx
[02:53] <Slartibartfast> and the xorg-nvidia stuff
[02:53] <draik_> OK
[02:53] <draik_> I'll do that once I'm logged in again
[02:53] <CYREX> first of all hello everyone
[02:53] <Slartibartfast> be sure you also rmmod nvidia before you build and insert the new module
[02:54] <CYREX> i am looking for a web page that shows alternative programs in linux for the ones found on windows
[02:54] <demi> try kde-apps.org?
[02:54] <draik_> Slartibartfast: sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx-173 xorg-nvidia && sudo rmmod nvidia
[02:55] <CYREX> thanks demi
[02:55] <demi> Also using Adept you can search a phrase of what you want and maybe can find it.
[02:55] <cuki> Slartibartfast, do y think i have to configurate the dns on konqueror?
[02:55] <CYREX> yes the thing is i am building an up to date list for my country to see
[02:55] <draik_> I lost interwebs again :(
[02:55] <demi> CYREX - kde-apps isnt the only source but google helps too, GL
[02:55] <Slartibartfast> draik_: something like that yes :-) ... not sure about the xorg-nvidia ...
[02:56] <draik_> got it back :)
[02:56] <CYREX> already searched in several but most are really REALLY old, most of the programs in the list are several years old and not up to date
[02:56] <CYREX> so i was wondering maybe someone new of a better one
[02:56] <CYREX> for the moment i only have a horrible html list
[02:57] <draik_> Slartibartfast: nvidia-xconfig     maybe?
[02:57] <CYREX> http://www.neogm.com/compatibilidad
[02:57] <yemcrx> yeah adept seems to be fubar, it will not show any packages that are not installed
[02:57] <demi> kde-apps.org is all I really know, and kde-look.org to help pimp you desktops looks, otherwise I dont know about alot of the apps out there yet.
[02:57] <CYREX> but i am working on moving it to php/mysql
[02:57] <Slartibartfast> draik_: ... anything related to nvidia ...
[02:57] <CYREX> a oki np demi
[02:57] <CYREX> thanks for the help though
[02:58] <Slartibartfast> see dpkg -l *nvidia* |grep ^ii
[02:58] <boboso> my new hard drive says 931GB and 14GB used for a total of 916GB of space but when i go to the drive with dolphin its syas 870 is this right?
[02:59] <demi> CYREX: Yea some of those are old, for a good videoplayer for dvd's or any other files try Smplayer, and VLC player(Videolan Player)
[02:59] <CYREX> got it
[02:59] <CYREX> vlc i knew the other did not
[03:00] <demi> boboso: I have seen incorrect numbers for folders and other things as well using dolphin.
[03:00] <CYREX> i will added to my list to lookup
[03:00] <demi> Personally Dolphin is very slow too=\
[03:00]  * MacProKubuntu64 is back.
[03:01] <boboso> demi: so the 870 is wrong you think?
[03:02] <demi> I can't just say it's wrong but I have had nothing but trouble using Dolphin, and have seen incorrect drive spaces for folders/stuff I have copied or whatever.
[03:02] <draik_> Slartibartfast: That includes envyng too, right?
[03:03] <Slartibartfast> i think all the dependancies take care of the other related stuff
[03:03] <demi> Cyrex: You try checking the drive using Konqueror?
[03:04] <demi> Errr Boboso***
[03:05] <draik_> How do I stop X from TTY1?
[03:05] <draik_> Got it
[03:05] <Slartibartfast> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:06] <boboso> says 870 out of 916 free 6% used
[03:06] <draik_> Yep, that's what I ran
[03:06] <CYREX> checking the drive?
[03:06] <CYREX> what do you mean?
[03:07] <CYREX> draik_: Press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[03:07] <CYREX> you will kill X like that
[03:07] <demi> CYREX: Just meant trying to see in Konqueror how much HD Space was used.
[03:07] <CYREX> a oki let me see
[03:07] <draik_> Slartibartfast: Would I want to run the nvidia-xconfig utility to automatically update my X configuration file so that NVIDIA X driver will be used when I restart X?
[03:07] <Slartibartfast> CYREX: But the kdm just respawns
[03:08] <draik_> CYREX: That will restart X. I needed it to be stopped
[03:08] <Slartibartfast> draik_: yes
[03:08] <CYREX> demi: Oki did it. Works great
[03:08] <draik_> Slartibartfast: Done. start kdm now?
[03:08] <Slartibartfast> draik_: but it will only add Driver "nividia" in there
[03:08] <Slartibartfast> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:08] <CYREX> Slartibartfast: Respawns in tty1?
[03:09] <draik_> Right, but good to start now Slartibartfast?
[03:09] <Slartibartfast> CTRL ALT BKSP will just restart kdm
[03:09] <draik_> CYREX: Not in TTY1, but it will restart X on the GUI's
[03:09] <Slartibartfast> draik_: Yes
[03:09] <Slartibartfast> Try it
[03:09] <CYREX> yes i thought you had went to tty1 and did a startx on it
[03:09] <draik_> Done. Let's see...
[03:10] <draik_> So far so good...
[03:11] <Slartibartfast> CYREX: kdm starts by default
[03:11] <CYREX> and you want to eliminate the default part of kde
[03:11] <Slartibartfast> draik_: turn on some effects
[03:11] <CYREX> is that ir
[03:11] <CYREX> it*
[03:11] <Slartibartfast> CYREX: not me
[03:12] <hux> anyone know why alt+spacebar does't open the window menu in kde4?
[03:14] <draik_> Slartibartfast: I did. They are running
[03:14] <draik_> Time for some audio. That usually does it sometimes
[03:14] <Slartibartfast>    Thats good :-) ...
[03:14] <draik> Ok. Looking good here
[03:15] <draik> Slartibartfast: I never thought it would have made a difference from the repos to the nvidia site
[03:16] <Slartibartfast> draik: :) ... i had the same in debian once ... when stuff in the debian repos did not work while the drivers from the nvidia site worked without problems
[03:17] <Slartibartfast> draik: But myself i had no problems yet with ubuntu provided drivers ... except the 180 stuff ... which is in itself buggy as hell
[03:18] <sixofour> is tjhere an SDL pack ro soemthign that includes everything i'll need [to run games]
[03:19] <draik> Good to know
[03:21] <sixofour> how do you search apt-get?
[03:21] <cuki> ok, i can acess in ftp area but i cant http...
[03:23] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: apt-cache search
[03:23] <sixofour> og right, apt-cashe
[03:25] <sixofour> what do i do with .rpm files?
[03:27]  * MacProKubuntu64 is away: Gone away for now
[03:28] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: apt-get install alien ... alien xxxxx .rpm
[03:28] <Slartibartfast> !alien
[03:28] <sixofour> ??
[03:28] <sixofour> so....
[03:28] <sixofour> there has to be a better way of getting sdl and zlb and ogl
[03:30] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: huh? ... do you mean you can not find them in apt-cache search sdl ... etc?
[03:30] <sixofour> i don't know what i need lol
[03:30] <sixofour> i need "sdl zlib and ogl"
[03:33] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: not sure .. :-) ... maybe use google and try to find people who use the same games in linux
[03:34] <sixofour> how do i get to c:
[03:34] <sixofour> with wine
[03:34] <sixofour> lol
[03:35] <doleyb> sixofour: ~/.wine/c_drive
[03:35] <sixofour> where is .wine?
[03:35] <doleyb> sixofour: ~
[03:36] <sixofour> what is ~
[03:36] <sixofour> ?
[03:36] <Slartibartfast> $HOME
[03:36] <doleyb> sixofour: try typing "ls ~" and see what happen
[03:37] <doleyb> sixofour: programs keep their config stuff in ~/.programname.  So wine's stuff is in ~/.wine.  And the c drive is ~/.wine/drive_c
[03:37] <CoJaBo> What would cause things such as scrolling and clicking to unexpectedly do something random (ex. scroll starts switching windows instead of scrolling, left click closes current application, right click switches to Firefox and starts it's download manager)?
[03:40] <draik_> So all seems good here now :)
[03:40] <Slartibartfast> draik_: Good to know
[03:41] <draik> Slartibartfast: Thank you much!
[03:41] <Slartibartfast> draik: welcome
[03:41] <Slartibartfast> np
[03:42] <draik> When doing the 'record desktop' it is being saved to an unfamiliar format. What would open it?
[03:42] <draik> cps
[03:42] <Slartibartfast> see what it says with file xxxxx.cps
[03:43] <draik> kwin_video1.cps: data
[03:43] <Slartibartfast> hmmmm ... can't open with vlc or mplayer ?
[03:45] <Slartibartfast> draik: read this thread http://forum.kde.org/kwin-video-record-t-7864.html
[03:45] <draik> Nope. None of them. Not kaffeine either.
[03:45] <demi> how do I make a script file?
[03:45] <demi> Conky wants me to place a startup script called .conky_start.sh in your home directory:
[03:46] <tweakedeh> I'm trying to compile a C program and I get this. test.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory  Does any one know what pacakge I need to install?
[03:46] <Slartibartfast> draik: seems you need to recode it to make it workable for mencoder to make it into a avi or so :-)
[03:47] <draik> Got it
[03:47] <draik> I was just reading that part
[03:49] <draik> How do I set a shortcut for locking my desktop?
[03:50] <demi> What bin file do I add ~/.kde/Autostart to for Conky, I dont see a Conky.bin file anywhere?
[03:50] <draik> demi: Wouldn't it just be conky rather than conky.bin?
[03:51] <draik> 'whereis conky'
[03:51] <demi> its in /usr/bin
[03:51] <demi> I need to add ~/.kde/Autostart to make it autostart in kde, nto sure where i add that into?
[03:53] <demi> the guide says "Also, to get Conky to autostart in Kubuntu, you need to add a link to the bin file (in /usr/bin) to autostart"
[03:54] <Slartibartfast> draik: for cpsrecode you need to install capseo
[03:55] <draik> Yep. Did that too.
[03:55] <draik> demi, then do that. 'cp /usr/bin/conky ~/.kde/Autostart'
[04:01] <Slartibartfast> demi: do ln -s /usr/bin/conky ~/.kde/Autostart/
[04:02] <demi> I got it to autostat now, and I used this guides command to add in my xorg file to stop the flashing but that isnt working hrmm.
[04:02] <demi> autostart*
[04:06] <Slartibartfast> having an Intel C2D E6600 CPU which can run on 2.4 ghz ... but it's now only running on 1.5 ghz ... how to tell Kubuntu that it's OK to run the CPU on 2.4?
[04:07] <Pirate-King> could someone check this paste bin out please http://pastebin.ws/5k7geq
[04:11] <draik_> Slartibartfast: Lost connection again. This is odd
[04:12] <Slartibartfast> draik_: indeed ...
[04:12] <Slartibartfast> sure it's not your isp or something else?
[04:14] <draik_> And now the audio :(
[04:15] <draik_> It just got choppy
[04:16] <draik_> And now computer froze :(
[04:16] <draik_> Well, it was good while it lasted
[04:16] <Slartibartfast> :-(
[04:17] <Slartibartfast> anything in the logfiles ? ... see if top shows something ? ....
[04:17] <Slartibartfast> dmesg?
[04:18] <Slartibartfast> is there maybe to much dust inside ? :-) ... can make the hardware overheat and this can have strange effects
[04:21] <draik> It just peaked my interest. If I had 4 monitors, would I be able to dedicate a virtual desktop to a monitor?
[04:22]  * MacProKubuntu64 is back.
[04:31] <demi> Well when I applied this code "~/.kde/Autostart" in /usr/bin it didnt seem to save so conky wont autostart upon restarting, How do I add that again?
[04:32] <Laeborg> If I have 2 monitors, can I then set up Monitor 1 to display Desktop 1 as default ect ?
[04:34] <Blink^> hi, anybody on kubuntu 9.04?
[04:34] <Slartibartfast> demi: type in console ln -s /usr/bin/conky ~/.kde/Autostart/
[04:34] <Slartibartfast> Blink^: i'm on Jaunty
[04:34] <Blink^> hi slart
[04:35] <Blink^> small request, it shouldnt be much trouble
[04:35] <Blink^> can you upload me the air.png default wallpaper?
[04:35] <demi> Does this mean it worked? ln: creating symbolic link `/home/demi/.kde/Autostart/conky': File exists
[04:35] <Blink^> imageshack or anywhere is fine
[04:35] <Blink^> and if resolution matters, 1280x1024
[04:35] <Blink^> please?
[04:36] <Slartibartfast> mmm let me see ... is it not on www.kde-look.org?
[04:36] <Blink^> couldnt find it
[04:36] <Blink^> actually
[04:36] <Blink^> let me look again
[04:38] <Blink^> yea i cant find the wallpaper
[04:38] <Slartibartfast> OK ... moment please
[04:38] <Blink^> thanks
[04:49] <peaches> any way to search package contents for files from packages not installed?
[04:50] <sixofour> ugh
[04:50] <sixofour> none of my programs can write to /home/
[04:50] <sixofour> even temp stuff
[04:56] <sixofour> !inkscape
[04:56] <beardbar> hey guys, what do i need to do in order to edit my xorg.conf files with kate, when i save I get permission errors
[04:56] <sixofour> you need sudo
[04:56] <sixofour> but
[04:56] <sixofour> becareful you can mess things up badly if you break xorg.conf
[04:56] <beardbar> i have backups
[04:56] <sixofour> kdesudo kate path/to/xorg.conf
[04:56] <beardbar> ok cool
[04:57] <sixofour> don't complain if you log into irc in two hours with something broken :D
[04:57] <beardbar> ;) i wont
[04:58] <beardbar> ive been spending the day trying to get 3 monitors to work, i can get 2 to work just fine
[05:03] <beardbar> holy moly i did it
[05:14] <omar> hello
[05:20] <sixofour> !krita
[05:21] <sixofour> !scribus
[05:21] <sixofour> !brain
[05:27] <sixofour> !gimp
[05:27] <sixofour> hrm no channel?
[05:29] <beardbar> does kapote support irc?
[05:29] <bazhang> !info kopete
[05:38] <draik_> Slartibartfast: I'm giving up for the night. I can't use k3b. I can't use k9copy. I'm not sure what's going on or what to do anymore. :-(
[05:39] <Slartibartfast> :-( ... don't know either what is wrong
[05:42] <draik_> Goodnight everyone...
[05:43] <Slartibartfast> draik_: night
[05:45] <tony426> i want to make a symbolic link from /home to another disk but my apps still write to it. does it not work recursively?
[05:46] <tiger_> hi all
[05:47] <tony426> all here, nice to meet you
[05:47] <tiger_> hi  tony
[05:47] <tiger_> I was waiting for someone to talk
[05:47] <tiger_> how are you??
[05:55] <sixofour> i opened a program with konsole, is there a way to clsoe the konsole without the program closing?
[06:05] <JP-sNL> sixofour, have a look at a program called 'screen'... man screen    :-)
[06:09] <xjjk> hallo
[06:09] <xjjk> has anyone experience running KDE 4.x on a Celeron with 256 MB of RAM?
[06:09] <xjjk> I'm wanting to setup Kubuntu for my girlfriend, but I'm worried whether her laptop is powerful enough
[06:10] <xjjk> getting a new laptop isn't a short term option
[06:11] <desu> i think it shouldn't be too much of a problem, if you disable desktop effects and other eye candy...
[06:13]  * JP-sNL agrees
[06:15] <xjjk> probably will have to set her up with Konqueror? I'm worried about Firefox
[06:15] <xjjk> having to load associated GTK libraries and Firefox's normal memory usage may be too much
[06:16] <JP-sNL> xjjk, both can live on the same installed OS: konquerer is standard, fixefox optional
[06:17] <ibuffy> [01:14] <ibuffy> anyone else have this issue: http://bayimg.com/HaoGAAABE
[06:17] <ibuffy> [01:14] <ibuffy> aisan fonts don't display properly
[06:17] <xjjk> JP-sNL: yes, but I'm worried about whether 256 MB of RAM is enough for running KDE and Firefox at the same time
[06:17] <ibuffy> still having the issue
[06:17] <ravel> uh. I am wondering if others have serious stability issues with Kubuntu 8.10 & KDE 4.2
[06:17] <xjjk> ibuffy: are you talking about that nasty overlapping?
[06:17] <ibuffy> xjjk: yes
[06:17] <ravel> (and... all the 3d desktop effects become disabled after hibernating once)
[06:18] <JP-sNL> xjjk, if you don't like how firefox runs you can just uninstall it... no problem i think
[06:18] <ibuffy> [01:15] <ibuffy> they display correctly if i highlight them
[06:18] <xjjk> ibuffy: hrm, works on my machine... which is probably not useful to use (Debian/Iceweasel)
[06:18] <xjjk> ibuffy: is that 8.10?
[06:18] <xjjk> let me check on my 9.04 machine...
[06:19] <ravel> Konqueror crashes 1-2 times a day, firefox about 5 times a day, kde crashes once in a while, kopete and plasma crash every day
[06:19] <xjjk> ibuffy: works on my 9.04 machine
[06:20] <ravel> (of course, KDE 4.1 was much more unstable)
[06:21] <ibuffy> xjjk: did you have the problem on 8.04?
[06:21] <ibuffy> 8.10 **
[06:21] <xjjk> ibuffy: I skipped 8.10...
[06:21] <xjjk> but I don't recall problems like that, ever
[06:21] <xjjk> ibuffy: have you tried not using gtk-qtengine
[06:22] <xjjk> and a normal GTK theme?
[06:24] <ibuffy> xjjk: that's an idea...
[06:24] <ibuffy> one sec
[06:25] <xjjk> ibuffy: if you want Firefox to look like your KDE apps, I highly recommend QtCurve
[06:25] <xjjk> maybe a little boring, but it works, and is fast
[06:25] <xjjk> unlike gtk-qtengine
[06:26] <ibuffy> alright, that didn't fix it
[06:26] <ravel> is there a way to re-enable the 3d desktop effects once they have crashed? (plasma, whatever)
[06:26] <ibuffy> even trying the kde fonts in gtk apps didn't help
[06:26] <ibuffy> nor did the typical fonts in gtk
[06:26] <xjjk> ibuffy: just wondering, what happens when you incease the font size for the page?
[06:27] <xjjk> ravel: yes... System Settings > Desktop
[06:27] <ibuffy> changing style to a gtk style didn't affect the fonts either
[06:27] <xjjk> and it's some checkbox in there
[06:27] <ravel> which checkbox?
[06:27] <ravel> everything is enabled there
[06:27] <xjjk> Enable desktop effects
[06:27] <xjjk> or something similar
[06:27] <ibuffy> ah
[06:27] <ibuffy> increasing fonts works
[06:28] <ibuffy> font size*
[06:28] <xjjk> ibuffy: hrm, that's interesting...
[06:28] <ibuffy> yeah, for sure
[06:28] <ibuffy> konqueror doesn't need this but firefox does
[06:28] <xjjk> ibuffy: what happens if you permanently increase the font size?
[06:28] <ravel> xjjk...?
[06:29] <xjjk> ravel: the checkbox should be called enable desktop effects, or something like that
[06:29] <xjjk> if it's checked... uncheck/check it again
[06:29] <ibuffy> ah
[06:29] <ibuffy> increasing the font size only fixes that page
[06:29] <ibuffy> when you visit another page, you still have the same issue
[06:29] <ravel> xjjk, everything is enabled already. and if I uncheck/recheck it, it says Failed to activate desktop effects ... check your X configuration
[06:30] <xjjk> ravel: hrm... and desktops effects worked before?
[06:30] <ravel> yes
[06:30] <xjjk> ravel: we're talking about the window shadows, animations, panel translucency, right?
[06:31] <ravel> xjjk, yes
[06:32] <xjjk> ravel: mhrm, I'm unsure what to do next
[06:32] <xjjk> what video chipset does your system have?
[06:33] <ravel> Intel GM45 (HP 6530b laptop)
[06:35] <ibuffy> the increasing of font size doesn't help anymore
[06:35] <xjjk> ravel: I'm out of solutions...
[06:35] <ibuffy> i just have to put my mouse over the text to read it
[06:36] <xjjk> ibuffy: might have one more thing to try...
[06:36] <ibuffy> s/to read it/before it displays correctly
[06:36] <xjjk> ibuffy: can you open up a terminal...
[06:36] <xjjk> (close firefox first)
[06:36] <xjjk> and then run:
[06:36] <xjjk> export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1; firefox
[06:38] <ravel> xjjk, how about the general instability of KDE 4.2, Konqueror and Firefox?
[06:38] <ibuffy> xjjk: nope
[06:38] <ibuffy> now how do you enable pango? :)
[06:39] <ibuffy> MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO_1 ?
[06:39] <xjjk> ibuffy: it didn't make a difference?
[06:39] <ibuffy> no
[06:39] <xjjk> ibuffy: the environment variable will only be valid for that terminal, so close that terminal
[06:39] <ibuffy> gotcha
[06:39] <xjjk> ravel: I feel as if most of that is being addressed in Jaunty...
[06:39] <xjjk> Plasma still crashes more often than I'd like, but the rest of the KDE apps are very stable
[06:40] <ibuffy> oh noes!
[06:40] <xjjk> ravel: what Firefox extensions do you use? Most Firefox crashes are due to extensions... it otherwise is a very stable app
[06:40] <ibuffy> an issue i thought was gone has just come back after messing with these font settings: some kde apps become unresponse to the keyboard :\
[06:41] <xjjk> ibuffy: mmm
[06:41] <ibuffy> for instance.... i can't search a program in the k menu
[06:41] <ibuffy> search +for
[06:41] <xjjk> ibuffy: it freezes?
[06:41] <ibuffy> it just started
[06:41] <ibuffy> the cursor is blinking but i can't type anything
[06:42] <ibuffy> and yet.. now i can
[06:42] <ibuffy> o boy
[06:43] <ibuffy> this is the part i hate.. don't know which app will and won't respond and when
[06:43] <ibuffy> atleast so far i haven't ran into dependency hell again
[06:43] <xjjk> ibuffy: how much RAM do you have? it seems as if you're defficient in something...
[06:43] <ibuffy> 1.5gb
[06:43] <xjjk> that is more than enough ,hrm
[06:44] <ibuffy> it seems more like bugs if you ask me :)
[06:44] <xjjk> any chance of running ksysguard at the same time and looking at what process is using most CPU whenever this happens?
[06:44] <xjjk> yeah... I actually skipped 8.10
[06:44] <xjjk> it had too many bugs
[06:44] <ibuffy> no chance because i don't know when it happens
[06:44] <ravel> xjjk, adblock+, no others
[06:44] <ibuffy> it's random
[06:44] <xjjk> just went from 8.04 -> 9.04
[06:44] <ibuffy> i need stability
[06:44] <xjjk> 9.04 has it's share of problems, but most are hardware related
[06:44] <ravel> on the other hand, all kde's and konquerors have been very unstable
[06:44] <xjjk> software so far has been very stable
[06:45] <ravel> on my home machine KDE is more unstable
[06:45] <xjjk> I'm really impressed with KDE 4.2.1
[06:45] <xjjk> ravel: interesting
[06:45] <ibuffy> i am too
[06:45] <ibuffy> but it too had the same firefox issue w/ asian fonts
[06:46] <xjjk> ravel, ibuffy: would there happen to be LoCos in your area?
[06:46] <ravel> what's locos
[06:47] <xjjk> local community
[06:47] <ibuffy> of what?
[06:47] <ibuffy> whackos? yes
[06:47] <xjjk> well, yeah
[06:47] <ravel> there's "ubuntu finland"
[06:47] <xjjk> some people in them tend to be a bit overenthusiastic (and not much else, *cough*)
[06:47] <ravel> I asked them once about the instability, they said that they have not exeperienced it in their installations
[06:48] <ravel> from my experience, every KDE has been quite unstable (I have used it since 3.0)
[06:48] <xjjk> ravel: for kde apps, it'd probably be very helpful if you installed the *-dbg packages
[06:48] <xjjk> and used KDE's crash reporting tool
[06:48] <ibuffy> i'm pretty sure a local ubuntu group would just as helpful as this channel
[06:48] <xjjk> ibuffy: depends how knowledgable people are... unfortunately it's difficult to diagnose some things over IRC
[06:49] <ravel> generally, I like KDE 4.2 very much.
[06:49] <xjjk> ibuffy: how much disk space do you have?
[06:49] <ravel> it's just that the usability is still not very good, it is unstable and practically all KDE's previous problems are carried over
[06:49] <xjjk> ibuffy: can you check whether you experience the same problems under GNOME?
[06:50] <ravel> and i had to edit text conf files to get dualhead enabled
[06:51] <ravel> xjjk, is there a handy way to find those packages :-)
[06:51] <xjjk> ravel: whatever application you're using that crashes... e.g. kopete, there should be kopete-dbg
[06:51] <xjjk> I think
[06:51] <ibuffy> xjjk: just tried, same problem there as well
[06:51] <xjjk> at least the major packages like amarok have versions with debugging symbols
[06:52] <xjjk> hrm, don't think all packages have them... blargh
[06:52] <ravel> xjjk, there is not konqueror-dbg
[06:52] <ravel> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kopete-dbg"
[06:53] <xjjk> ravel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingKDE
[06:54] <xjjk> apparently it's a bit more complicated than I described
[06:54] <xjjk> debugging symbols for konqueror would be in kdebase-dbg
[06:54] <xjjk> kopete, kdenetwork-dbg
[06:54] <ravel> alright
[06:55] <xjjk> ibuffy: it *only* happens in Firefox?
[06:55] <xjjk> ibuffy: have you tried the binaries available from mozilla.org? does the same problem happen there?
[06:57]  * MacProKubuntu64 is away: Gone away for now
[07:00] <ibuffy> did i do this correctly? extracted the tarball and then launched firefox from within the folder using ./firefox
[07:00] <xjjk> ibuffy: yep
[07:00] <ibuffy> ..it asked me if i wanted to restore my last session o.O
[07:00] <ibuffy> and still gave me a little intro
[07:00] <ibuffy> same problem
[07:00] <xjjk> ibuffy: same problem?
[07:00] <ibuffy> yup
[07:00] <xjjk> definitely a pango issue
[07:00] <xjjk> or corrupted font
[07:01] <ibuffy> i didn't have this problem until setting up scim
[07:01] <ibuffy> and scim's bi*** to setup
[07:01] <xjjk> I've never setup scim
[07:01] <ibuffy> it's not as simple as apt-get install scim
[07:01] <xjjk> I imagine not
[07:02] <ibuffy> i'll remove scim and its settings settings reluctantly just to test it out
[07:02] <xjjk> ibuffy: backup the settings, obviously..
[07:03] <ibuffy> this is still the most relevant page for scim setup: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[07:03] <ibuffy> the ubuntu.com stuff never works
[07:03] <beardbar1> so anyone here running jaunty with multiple monitors?
[07:03] <ibuffy> being https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InputMethods/SCIM/Setup
[07:03] <xjjk> ibuffy: thanks for the links... I may need this
[07:03] <xjjk> my girlfriend is Korean and may want input support
[07:04] <ibuffy> go w/ the first one
[07:04] <ibuffy> it makes things simple
[07:05] <beardbar1> is there a quick command that i can tell the exact version of kde that I am running?
[07:05] <xjjk> beardbar1: looking at the about dialog of your favorite KDE app is easier
[07:09] <ibuffy> nope
[07:09] <ibuffy> i shouldn't have to reboot X but i will jix
[07:09] <ibuffy> jic*
[07:11] <ibuffy> i give up, i'm reporting a bug on firefox and not messing with it anymore
[07:11] <xjjk> ibuffy: sorry could not be of more help...
[07:11] <ibuffy> man.. i could give up firefox if only the flash plugin worked like it does in firefox
[07:11] <beardbar1> took a few but found it, thanks xjjk
[07:11] <xjjk> ibuffy: are you reporting it now? do a favor and give me the bug number
[07:11] <ibuffy> don't be, you tried hard
[07:11]  * MacProKubuntu64 is back.
[07:12] <xjjk> I may be able to test better in a week or so
[07:12] <ibuffy> i will in a bit after reinstalling scim
[07:13] <ubuntu_> Всем привет
[07:14] <kanon-mat> !russian
[07:15] <kanon-mat> privyet, i have no idea :)
[07:21] <boraklavun> ı would like to customize my ubuntu
[07:21] <boraklavun> like  vista gadgets  how can  I do that
[07:27] <beardbar1> so i am running 3 monitors, got my xorg.conf look'n all pretty petite, everything so far is fine, accept my login and log off screens, and any new window that opens, they open or appear centered between the two monitors. anyone know how I might fix this?
[07:29] <kanon-mat> beardbar1:  maybe rightklick on the titlebar and choose advanced > special application settings
[07:29] <kanon-mat> you can choose position
[07:30] <kanon-mat> idk if it works for double monitirs
[07:31] <beardbar1> kanon-mat: you know I wonder if its because I installed comiz before i realized I didnt really need it for kde.
[07:32] <kanon-mat> i dont think it is because of compiz
[07:32] <beardbar1> ya your probably right, since its not actually loading.
[07:34] <kanon-mat> there should be an option to open a window in screen 0 or 1
[07:34] <kanon-mat> i have just one monitor :)
[07:36] <beardbar1> well i am gonna chalk it up to just starting back into linux after a 3 year hiatus. I was actually suprised I got this far. gonna do a fresh install of jaunty alpha six
[07:37] <kanon-mat> impressive, i forget things fast
[07:39] <beardbar1> ok, wierd im actually running kde 4.1 i thought 8.10 came with 4.2 so do I need to upgrade my kde desktop to 4.2?
[07:40] <kanon-mat> i have kde 3.5.10
[07:40] <kanon-mat> i think 8.10 came with 4.1
[07:40] <kanon-mat> and that there is an upgrade to 4.2
[07:41] <kanon-mat> it should have bugfixes
[07:41] <beardbar1> ya im seeing it now, and the instructions
[07:42] <kanon-mat> anyway, i have system settings > window behaviour > window specific settings
[07:43] <kanon-mat> there is a way to add apps there, and settings for how theyu are started
[07:45] <beardbar1> thanks, i'll have a look gonna upgrade to 4.2 first
[07:47] <kanon-mat> are u on nvidia?
[07:51] <husayn> in my office we have HP laser jet 1020 which is shared on <IP_ADDRESS> . In my office everyone is having Windows xp they have installed it through the sharing .. how to install that shared printer on kubuntu
[07:51] <hw_> !find fix
[07:51] <hw_> !find apt
[07:51] <DarkriftX> anyone know what could be wrong with my wifi that i cannot upload via http or ftp, but i can upload fine on torrents?
[07:51] <hw_> !find adept
[07:52] <DarkriftX> http/ftp uploads die at about 230K or close
[07:52] <DarkriftX> if i keep restarting it (in ftp for example) sometimes it will go
[07:52] <hw_> ! fixdb
[07:52] <hw_> !fixdb
[07:53] <hw_> Hmm, how can I fix package db lock?
[07:54] <beardbar-lap> kanon-mat: hey mate im doing the upgrade and i forget how to uninstall a package from the command line. Remove the koffice-data-kde4 package if you have it installed isnt it something like dkpg --purge packageName?
[07:54] <kanon-mat> aptitude purge or apt-get purge
[07:55] <beardbar-lap> thanks
[07:56] <vlt> DaSkreech: No, no custom theme. Akregator and kmail (KDE 3.5.10) have this "footprint" icon. It marks all mails or rss articles as seen. I just don't know why they chose this footprint icon.
[07:56] <hw_> How do I fix "Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)" ?
[07:57] <hw_> !lock
[07:57] <DaSkreech> vlt: screenshot?
[07:57] <kanon-mat> hw_: you make sure you are not running any package apps
[07:58] <kanon-mat> then maybe rm the lockfile
[07:58] <kanon-mat> no, nvm
[07:59] <kanon-mat> i have it also
[08:00] <DarkriftX> any network gurus here?
[08:03] <sixofour> is there any way to make a hotkey on my keyboard that makes the mouse move like 5x slower?
[08:05] <vlt> DaSkreech: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9058/screenshot1qdg.png and http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7100/screenshot2aer.png
[08:09] <DaSkreech> vlt: Not sure either it's your icon theme or someone named. Yo ucan change it
[08:25] <beardbar-lap> wow the diffrence between 4.1 and 4.2 kde is amazing
[08:26] <kanon-mat> plz tell :)
[08:26] <kanon-mat> i havent taken the leap to 8.10 yet
[08:27] <kanon-mat> i'll think i'll wait until 9.04
[08:28] <beardbar-lap> well everything looks very smooth, and it auto fixed one of my monitor problems I was having
[08:28] <beardbar-lap> accept i spoke to soon, my keyboard isnt working lol
[08:28] <kanon-mat> oh
[08:33] <Slartibartfast> kanon-mat: See what kwin can do now http://picasaweb.google.com/b2809d/Screenshots#5312587060729185810
[08:34] <hw_> I currently try to remove some packages. Within the remove process the adept manager shows some blue console screen where I have to acknowledge someting. But I cant acknowledge. Mouse, tab, any key is working. What should I do?
[08:35] <kanon-mat> it looks good, Slartibartfast, maybe i'll get a newer comp before i use the fancy stuff
[08:37] <kanon-mat> kill 'pidof adept' ?
[08:49] <michaeldadmum> hello
[09:12] <javi> hi
[09:13] <javi> is there a solution or workaround for the plasmoids error "could not find requested component" ?
[09:16] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[09:33] <Slonkie> !help
[09:42] <DaSkreech> can someone dig rawbandwidth.com and tell me what the server's IP address is ?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip1> sure
[09:49] <makdaknife> DaSkreech: I don't get any IP for that domain
[09:49] <DaSkreech> ok so I'm not insane
[09:49] <ActionParsnip1> www.rawbandwidth.com.   10800   IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:50] <DaSkreech> ok
[09:50] <DaSkreech> hmm
[09:50] <makdaknife> hmmm
[09:50] <makdaknife> ha ha
[09:50] <DaSkreech> I can ping that too
[09:50] <DaSkreech> what ?
[09:51] <makdaknife> just laughing because we both responded in the same way
[09:51] <ActionParsnip1> http://pastebin.com/m3d4f949f
[09:54] <makdaknife> my dns must be out of date... just hopped onto another server of mine and I get the same IP
[10:02] <beardbar-lap> trying to install flash from kde 4.2 is there a way to force a i386 install or do I have to do it from the command line?
[10:05] <ActionParsnip1> beardbar-lap: theres a 64bit flash plugin if you want it
[10:06] <beardbar-lap> oh hells ya
[10:06] <beardbar-lap> actionparsnip1: but for other things is there a way?
[10:07] <ActionParsnip1> beardbar-lap: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Adobe-Flash-Player-64-bit-on-Ubuntu-8-10-98076.shtml
[10:11] <beardbar-lap> thanks man
[10:11] <zeltak> hi
[10:11] <zeltak> anyone know how to make screen autostart on bootup?
[10:13] <Havalina> hello all :)
[10:13] <ActionParsnip1> zeltak: add a symlink to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:15] <adminko> Есть Русские?
[10:15] <adminko> Enubody Russ?
[10:15] <adminko> y*
[10:19] <stdin> !ru | adminko
[10:20] <ActionParsnip1> !ru
[10:20] <ActionParsnip1> bah
[10:23] <zeltak> thx for the answer ActionParsnip1 but screen is a command line program..will it load it detached?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip1: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[10:25] <makdaknife> DaSkreech: not me...
[10:26] <praaaf> hyhy all
[10:26] <DaSkreech> hi
[10:26] <praaaf> mi a helyzet?
[10:26] <DaSkreech> !hu
[10:27] <ActionParsnip1> DaSkreech: no
[10:27] <DaSkreech> alright
[10:27] <DaSkreech> thanks
[10:29] <DaSkreech> gah!
[10:32] <praaaf> szügségem van egy kis segítségre, magam nem tudtam még megoldani és a fórumon található módozatokkal sem megy, talán ti tudtok valami használhatót mondani. Meg kell osztanom a t-mobilos internetem, usbmodemes(huawei e220 vagy sonyericsson k850i),két gép közötti megosztás. 1:Laptop ezen van a net, 2: asztali gép. Minden lehetséges megoldás érdekel gyerekek.
[10:35] <rrichie> hi all
[10:36] <rrichie> has anyone tried kubuntu 9.04 alpha 6 ?
[10:36] <Bauldrick> whats the command for seeing how much ram/what cpu you have?
[10:37] <Zulan> less /proc/meminfo /proc/cpuinfo
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> !jaunty | rrichie
[10:38] <rrichie> ok
[10:39] <rrichie> thanks
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> np :)
[10:39] <beardbar-lap> anyone know a fix for getting desktop effects working, nvidia 9800gt. says I don;t have Xcomposit and Xdamage but both libraries are installed
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> beardbar-lap: have you installed video drivers?
[10:40] <beardbar-lap> yep, latest directly from nivdia, have a 3 screen setup working as well
[10:40] <ActionParsnip1> beardbar-lap: hmmm
[10:41] <ActionParsnip1> beardbar-lap: http://forum.kde.org/-solved-composite-effects-xdamage-xcomposite-t-10337.html
[10:47] <beardbar-lap> ok having go, i had the composite option enabled but not damage, crossing fingers
[10:47] <PabloA> hello
[10:47] <PabloA> how can I adjust display gamma in 7.10? I dont see any option in display preferences
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> beardbar-lap: any good to you?
[10:50] <beardbar> still no joy :(
[10:58] <hw_> How do I configure knode to store every single message on local harddisk?
[11:04] <frojnd> I have kubuntu 8.10, what driver do I need to install if I have wifi card BCM4311 ? Or firwmare...
[11:04] <frojnd> Any ideas ?
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> frojnd: dont ask in both channels, you look silly
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> frojnd: if !broadcom is no use, use ndiswrapper
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> !ndiswrapper | frojnd
[11:06] <beardbar> ya actionParsnip: found some good info on my problem, looks like I am stuck waiting for a bit until a new drivers come out for jaunty
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> looks like it, its only a month
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> and considering its only poy effects, you'll live
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> *poxy
[11:08] <beardbar> well i like effects ;) actually my only real concern is that stupid login and logoff screen centered between my right 2 monitors
[11:14] <fyl0n> Will the Asus 1000H Netbook (Wifi, Smartpad, Intel graphics etc) be default supported bij 9.04 Final?
[11:14] <fyl0n> Cuz my wifi isn't working since alpha3.. and I got alpha6 installed.
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty
[11:17] <bazhang> fyl0n, jaunty discussion in #ubuntu+1
[11:20] <fyl0n> bazhang: thanx
[11:48] <Eruaran> Riddell: Jaunty is looking like it will be a great release. Kudos. :)
[11:54] <fireball_> hey all!
[11:55] <fireball_> hope you can help me. . . for starters, is this the right place for a ubuntu user?
[11:56] <bazhang> fireball_, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:56] <fireball_> ubuntu
[11:56] <bazhang> #ubuntu
[11:56] <fireball_> thanks
[11:56] <Dr_willis> #weloveUbuntu
[11:56] <bazhang> hehe
[11:56] <fireball_> i thought hde was great
[11:56] <fireball_> kde
[11:57] <fireball_> then kde 4.1 happened :(
[11:57] <SlimeyPete> I'm holding out for 4.5
[11:57] <fireball_> and i'm a twit, "#ubuntu" where?
[11:58] <fireball_> or otherwise, its a drive problem, you guys can probably help
[11:58] <kaddi> heya.. how exactly is a usbdrive mounted, when i use the graphical interface? is the fat-table somehow modified?
[11:58] <fireball_> i fiddled with the permissions of my ntfs driive, now all sorts of problems. . .
[11:59] <fireball_> can't seem to reset them succesfully
[11:59] <Dr_willis> Huh>  what does a fat table have to do with mounting?
[12:00] <Dr_willis> ntfs/vfat are normally mounted using the ntfs-3g tool's
[12:00] <Dr_willis> the permissions are normally set when the filesystem is mounted.
[12:00] <Dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[12:00] <fireball_> my drives mounted ok (assuming you're talking to me)
[12:00] <kaddi> na, i think he meant me ;)
[12:01] <kaddi> Dr_Willis nothing really.. i have a file that was unreadable under windows, when i mounted it manually via mount -t vfat etc... it remained unreadable under windows. Then i used the graphical interface to mount and unmount the usbdrive and all of a sudden the file can be read.
[12:01] <speedcore> what it the default desktop switch shortcut?
[12:01] <Dr_willis> kaddi,  sounds liek a fluke to me.. the gui is mounting things the same way as the command line
[12:01] <kaddi> i'd just like to know what happen and thought maybe it hast something to do with fat tabls
[12:01] <fireball_> but i can't access the music from my media players without "Could not get/set settings from/on resource"
[12:02] <Dr_willis> You may want to be backingup and filechecking that drive real soon
[12:02] <kaddi> it's 128mb usb-drive... nothing of real value on there... :p
[12:04] <fireball_> ahem. . . ok, so what did i do wrong?
[12:04] <Dr_willis> You are refering to accessing mp3-type players via USB?
[12:04] <fireball_> no
[12:04] <fireball_> my problems not kaddi's at all
[12:04] <fireball_> my ntfs drive reads ok, it says
[12:05] <bane> hello!
[12:05] <fireball_> i get previews of files in nautilus
[12:05] <fireball_> but the above error i get if i try to access said file
[12:05] <fireball_> i copied them onto my ubuntu drive, same problem
[12:06] <kaddi> speedcore: i don't think there is a default set. you can have a look at programs ->System->systemsettings ->keyboard and mouse ->global shortcuts -> select kwin .> and look for switch between desktops or something.
[12:06] <bane> I have problem installing amarok 2 on 8.10. Before I had it, but after reinstalling system, I can't install it.
[12:06] <bane> I added eb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[12:06] <bane> Any idea why?
[12:08] <corigo1> I'm struggling to install 8.10 32 or (preferrably) 64 but all I get are Squashfs errors and the install freezes and fails. I tried running the memory test on the live cd and it kept running for over 24 hours...
[12:09] <Dr_willis> you did verify the md5sum of the cd? and iso file?
[12:09] <Dr_willis> I always use unetbootin to make bootable thumbdrives i install from :) i rarely mess with cd's any more
[12:10] <speedcore> kaddi: I like to enable the CUBE effect =)  But I can't seem to understand how
[12:10]  * Dr_willis is sick  of the CUbe.
[12:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:11] <corigo1> Dr_willis: yes.
[12:11] <speedcore> Dr_willis: I generally hate glitz.. But I just like 5min of fun
[12:11]  * makdaknife is sick of a lot of the extraneous eyecandy
[12:11] <Dr_willis> I recall ther eeing some kde4 config panel that enabled all that eyecandy stuff..
[12:11] <Dr_willis> 'eye candy causes ocular cavaties'
[12:12] <Dr_willis> so be sure to brush after every game.. and floss those eyebrows!
[12:12] <makdaknife> speedcore: if you're using kde4, its in the desktop/advanced settings
[12:12] <makdaknife> i think
[12:12] <bazhang> system settings iirc under appearance
[12:12] <speedcore> makdaknife: I cant' seem to enable opengl on this gpu.. will that prevent me? is xrender fine?
[12:12] <fireball_> meanwhile, please, #ubuntu how, or how do i fix my drive settings?
[12:12] <makdaknife> speedcore: I think that xrender works okay
[12:13] <fireball_> worked it out, thanks
[12:14] <speedcore> makdaknife: does xrender work with "the box"
[12:16] <makdaknife> speedcore: I believe so
[12:16] <makdaknife> I've used it on my machine and it works fine... but then, so does opengl
[12:17] <speedcore> makdaknife: which KEY is the default META?   noobing along here
[12:17] <speedcore> =)
[12:19] <makdaknife> speedcore: I'm not sure what you mean?
[12:20] <makdaknife> speedcore: btw, the cube option is under effects in the desktop settings
[12:22] <Dr_willis> speedcore,  the alt key is also the metakey
[12:22] <Dr_willis> the windows key is the super-key
[12:22] <Dr_willis> and if you got a linxu keyboard with a tux instead of the windws log.  its a SUPER-DUper key :OP
[12:22] <makdaknife> ah.... didn't know that was what itwas called ;-)
[12:23] <makdaknife> Dr_willis: lol
[12:23] <Dr_willis> and just for the record   ^C  ---> means CONTROL-C :)
[12:23]  * Dr_willis slaps nano around for not having a little help guide/start screen with that info.
[12:25] <kanon-mat> from the nano help "The notation for shortcuts is as follows: Control-key sequences are notated with a caret (^) symbol"
[12:26] <kanon-mat> F1 ftw :)
[12:26] <Dr_willis> ive seen peopel using windows for years.. that never even reaize F1 does help
[12:26] <Dr_willis> Thank you MS for deciding what my Keys should do :)
[12:27] <satanic_> hola
[12:27] <Dr_willis> next they will be deciding we need yet more windows-specific keys on the keyboard. :)
[12:27] <bazhang> !es
[12:28] <kanon-mat> media keyboards :(
[12:29] <Dr_willis> I saw some gamepad that was actually a keyboard.. :) it had like 20+ buttons
[12:32] <kanon-mat> http://www.prodikeys.com/products/prodikeys/
[12:33] <Dr_willis> just what you need for your MMORPGS :)
[12:33] <Dr_willis> C Sharp  = attack with bow..
[12:33] <Dr_willis> D minor = defense mode
[12:33] <Dr_willis> :P
[12:34] <kanon-mat> yes, so many keys to configure and bind
[12:34] <corigo1> All my install CDs check out fine. All the same problem whether it is Ubuntu 8.10 64, Kubuntu 8.10 64, Kubuntu 8.10 32, Ubuntu 8.04 64
[12:36] <Dr_willis> corigo1,  sounds like  your drive may be flakey.  if you have a thumbdrive try the unetbootin tool  make a usb installer.. it will boot/install faster from it also
[12:38] <corigo1> I've tried with 2 different CD drives
[12:38] <corigo1> This one is still under warranty
[12:39] <Dr_willis> do the disks work in a different pc?
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> try some boot options
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> and check your system ram
[12:50] <noren> hi all
[12:50] <Eruaran> hi
[12:51] <eMaX> anyone here uses a logitech bluetooth mouse?
[12:51] <noren> is there any tool in kde to see what is taking up so much of space in my home partion, its virtually full.. but i cant see any major folder
[12:54] <JuJuBee> noren: try du -sh ./*
[12:54] <noren> JuJuBee: what is that suppose to do
[12:55] <Dr_willis> prints out space used by stuff
[12:56] <noren> and also one more issue sud i separate /home partion for different distro i am having kubuntu 8.10 and ubuntu 8.04 but having the same /home partion
[12:56] <JuJuBee> Shows all subdirs of current working dir and the amount of space they occupy.  Faster than right click and properties...
[12:57] <JuJuBee> That  I have to defer to the more experienced.  Most stuff should be ok, but things like kde configs might break if using different versions  of kde..?
[12:58] <noren> 168M    ./guest
[12:58] <noren> 16K     ./lost+found
[12:58] <noren> 5.7G    ./noren
[12:59] <noren> but i got 10 gb partion for /home which now shows only 500 mb free
[13:00] <Dr_willis> check the Trash directory? :)
[13:01] <Dr_willis> 5% would be reserved from the beginning for system reciovery also...
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> !trash
[13:01] <Dr_willis> so that would be.. err.. 500mb
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> noren: you could try: du -h ~/ | less
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> noren: see which files and folders are huge
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> noren: it my be your ~/.mozilla folder with temp guff
[13:02] <Sarge_TJ> Hi! I noticed that I have a tmp/ folder in my /root directory. Is it like the windows temp -folder, I mean can I empty it whenever I want to?
[13:03] <noren> ActionParsnip: there was a niccce gui app in the ubuntu for this same purpose i cant rem the name
[13:03] <geModule> hi. Can I use the livecd only for formatting a HD ?
[13:04] <makdaknife> geModule: sure... the tools on the livecd can be used as normal
[13:05] <geModule> ok thanks
[13:05] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: But her home dir was only 5.7G... she should have almost 4G free...?
[13:05] <noren> ActionParsnip: do i need the ./mozilla in the kubuntu
[13:05] <JuJuBee> Wouldnt her trash bbe included in that 5.7G?
[13:05] <ona> sveiki visi
[13:06] <ona> Lietuviu yra?
[13:06] <makdaknife> noren: ActionParsnip: you can get a nice graphical representation of file space usage for a folder in konqueror
[13:07] <noren> JuJuBee: i agree but is this prob because i had used the same partion for the installation  of ubuntu 8.04
[13:07] <makdaknife> noren: you need .mozilla if you are using firefox
[13:07] <BluesKaj> 'Morning All
[13:07] <noren> ActionParsnip: makdaknife: how can i optimize my home folder, and i dont use mozilla, i think it came because i installed ubuntu i guess.
[13:08] <JuJuBee> noren: so /home  is not a separate part?
[13:08] <noren> BluesKaj: hi
[13:08] <JuJuBee> noren: do u use firefox?
[13:08] <noren> JuJuBee: i had /home on the separate partition and other two separate partion for the installation of the Kubuntu and U buntu
[13:09] <noren> JuJuBee: no i dont use Firefox innnn Kubuntu
[13:09] <kanon-mat> maybe noren could use the filesize view in konqueror, takes a ocuple of minutes
[13:10] <kanon-mat> i started strigi once, it ate up 21 Gb of my hdd
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> noren: browse around sequentially and see what you have / dont need / can backup to delete
[13:10] <makdaknife> kanon-mat: yeah strigi can be a beast
[13:11] <JuJuBee> noren:  I forgot that the folder could be a hidden one.... can try du -sh ./.* to show size of all hidden folders..
[13:11] <makdaknife> noren: the alternative to the filesize view in konqueror is to install filelight
[13:11] <kanon-mat> so i purged it, it was 6 packages, when active it used 18% of my cpu cycles :)
[13:16] <noren> is .gnome2 folder required for kde
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> noren: depends what other apps you run
[13:20] <BluesKaj> strigi is ok if you have a lot of stored data , but for ordinary home use it's not necessary IMO
[13:22] <noren> !strigi
[13:29] <geModule> well, I have just formatted a HD with ext3. Now, How can I mount it, so to access it from the home dir of my OS ?
[13:44] <fireball_> #ubuntu
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> geModule: http://pastebin.com/f7979d8f7
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> geModule: my fileserver uses a seperate partition for /home
[13:52] <geModule> ActionParsnip: solved, meanwhile
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> geModule: nice one
[13:52] <geModule> thanks anyway
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> np man
[14:02] <noren> if i delete all the hidden folder from the home directory will it get me to defaultu config on next bootup
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> noren: if you are going to do that i would make sure you copy over the hidden files from /etc/skel
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> noren: or konsole will moan at you
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> noren: if you simply rename ~/.kde then all kde apps will be defaulted next boot
[14:06] <noren> ActionParsnip: i am trying to find out where my free space is.. and i cant
[14:09] <Beardbar> somehow my grub got screwed up, error 22. popped in my kubuntu cd and clicked install, figured i would do a clean install, but i no longer get a install screen. i flicker back and forth between a prompt and kubuntu load screen
[14:09] <Beardbar> any ideas on a course of action?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> noren, download and burn GParted to a disk , it's a live cd partioning app which has serverd me well, it shows all free space/partitions and their status . It's safe and easy to use.
[14:13] <noren> BluesKaj: i dont have any prob with the partitionnn but .... is it a good practicce to have an separate /home partion for any distro
[14:13] <noren> and if u are having two different distro on the same machine sud u share the same /home partition
[14:14] <BluesKaj> noren, in my opinion , no . If you have important work related data to protect then, yes.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Beardbar, perhaps you could try sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst at the prompt to see what you need to edit in grub
[14:19] <xmdy> Hi
[14:20] <bahram> hi all, i use ubuntu & need to install KDE 4.2 but in my repository 4.1
[14:20] <andres_> bahram, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, afterwards select KDE at login and then update as necesarry
[14:21] <BluesKaj> bahram  http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[14:21] <bahram> andres_, BluesKaj: thanks
[14:23] <xmdy> i use kubuntu 8.10 and asus x55sv with intel hda audio.
[14:23] <xmdy> And when i plug headphones, sound not muting.
[14:23] <xmdy> can somebody help me?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> xmdy, where you plugging in the headphones ?
[14:28] <xmdy> BluesKaj, in s \ pdif connector
[14:30] <BluesKaj> do you have an analog headphone audio out on your speakers?
[14:30] <xmdy> yes
[14:31] <BluesKaj> try that
[14:33] <xmdy> sound from the headphones and laptop speakers
[14:34] <noren> !home
[14:35] <JP-sNL> hi people... hi BluesKaj   :-)    you said something about your in house bandwidth problems    ;-)    told you about multi network card loadbalancing router/firewall done with CDRouter, but you disconnected before i could paste the url for you...
[14:35] <JP-sNL> http://www.wifi.com.ar/english/cdrouter/
[14:35] <JP-sNL> ... here it is in case no one bothered repasting it for you after you reconnected
[14:52] <Guest52110> teste
[15:03] <noren> !seti
[15:03] <noren> !info seti
[15:06] <JuJuBee> genii: u around?
[15:11] <cfraz89> hi, has anybody managed to get nepomuk to work on jaunty?
[15:29] <draik_> My desktop keeps freezing as I try to login. The login prompt goes away, but the background stays. That's when it freezes.
[15:36] <gmiernicki> draik_: restart X
[15:37] <noren> draik_: hi
[15:40] <mendaa> -
[15:45] <JP-sNL> noren... seti?  boinc!   it is the handler for set ifaik
[15:45] <JP-sNL> seti
[15:57] <josh-l> hi, anyone know if it's possible to compile opera with qt4? I know there is a precomipled deb for opera 10 with qt4 but its x68 i'm running x86-64...
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[16:03] <demi> Quick Question, How do I make my desktop effects through KDE Settings Take effect after each restart? because to make them work I gotta go back into system settings, and his default or something.
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> demi: make sure you have write access and ownershipp to your entire home dir
[16:08] <josh-l> is there anyway I can convert a 1386 deb to x86_64 ? (its for an opera build that is only released for i386)
[16:08] <adi3> hi all
[16:08] <adi3> anyone know how to anable horizontal scrollbar in touchpad on kde 3.5 kubuntu hardy?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: not without recompiling
 How do I do that in a terminal?
[16:09] <josh-l> ActionParsnip: so I could take the deb and precompile it?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: if you install ia32-libs you can force architecture and it will install and run
[16:10] <josh-l> ActionParsnip: can i decompile, it and recompile?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> demi: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER; sudo chmod -R 755 /home/$USER
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: no, you can run 32bit debs if you install ia32-libs
[16:12] <MaGicKanGaRoo> sudo chmod -R 755 /home/$USER - may want to watch that on pgp keys or ssh keys
[16:13] <MaGicKanGaRoo> if you dont use them then no worries :)
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> MaGicKanGaRoo: it should be the users anyhoo, its just covering the base, why would they have a different owner?
[16:14] <MaGicKanGaRoo> its not the ownership on the private keys its the permision
[16:14] <MaGicKanGaRoo> 755
[16:14] <MaGicKanGaRoo> world readable
[16:14] <MaGicKanGaRoo> right?
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> MaGicKanGaRoo: ahhhh
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> yeah
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> ok 750
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[16:15] <MaGicKanGaRoo> but im nitpicking :) its usually easier to set them back after
[16:15] <adi3> hi. anyone knows how to activate the horizontal scroll bar in touchpad kubuntu hardy kde 3.5?
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> MaGicKanGaRoo: do you know if its possible to install the netbook remix on a standard desktop pc?
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> adi3: do you mean on a touchpad?
[16:19] <MaGicKanGaRoo> would have thought so , but not sure why you would afaik, theyre fully i386.  onlything i could think of would be if the kernel has been stripped of necessary drivers for a full machine. etc
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> MaGicKanGaRoo: low system footprint and a nice UI
[16:21] <adi3> ActionParsnip | yes in a dell inspiron touchpad....
[16:21] <MaGicKanGaRoo> hrmm
[16:21] <MaGicKanGaRoo> well if you try it let me know :)
[16:21] <MaGicKanGaRoo> how it turns out etc
[16:22] <adi3> ActionParsnip | i need to anable the horizontal scrollbar
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> adi3: http://www.ubuntuhq.com/news/general/enable-horizontal-scrolling-on-synaptics-touchpads-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[16:23] <adi3> thanks but this is for ubuntu
[16:23] <adi3> im on kubuntu kde 3.5
[16:24] <adi3> and im affraid if i install some gtk app it will install gnome libs
[16:24] <adi3> right?
[16:24] <MaGicKanGaRoo> gtk != gnome no
[16:24] <MaGicKanGaRoo> when you install
[16:24] <mefisto__> I get "page not found" for that link
[16:24] <MaGicKanGaRoo> check what your installing
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> adi3: its the same thing
[16:25] <MaGicKanGaRoo> for an libg etc as theyre usually gnomeys
[16:26] <demi> I did those commands to home folder, and restarted, it still didnt save my desktop effects settings when I restarted.
[16:27] <MaGicKanGaRoo> maybe this will help for the scolling i get 404 on that patge as well
[16:27] <MaGicKanGaRoo> http://strabes.wordpress.com/2007/04/01/enable-horizontal-scrolling-on-synaptics-touchpads-in-ubuntu-linux/
[16:27] <MaGicKanGaRoo> and that apears to be all Xorg config changes
[16:27] <MaGicKanGaRoo> not a new application
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> adi3: http://www.rtr.ca/dell_i9300/
[16:29] <adi3> ActionParsnip | I was looking forward to do exactly this
[16:30] <adi3> using horizontal scrollbar as a back/forwrad buttons in firefox
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> adi3: is that what that guide says, it says something about   about:config
[16:30] <adi3> as it is mantioned in the inspiron 9300
[16:31] <adi3> in order to modify at the about:config of  ff
[16:31] <adi3> i need to have horizontal scrollbar enabled on my touchpad
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> adi3: if its enabled in bios then its good to go
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> that guide should help
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> !synaptic
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> !touchpad
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> try the touchpad guide
[16:33] <adi3> normally i dont touch bios since years
[16:33] <adi3> and im coming from ubuntu/gnome
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> you can make your system a bit slicker with bios
[16:33] <adi3> there it was something like a click on metacity config window and than horizonatal scrollbar is enable
[16:34] <adi3> than changeing inside about:config on ff I would have horizontal bar on touchpad acting like back/forward button on firefox
[16:34] <adi3> :)
[16:35] <adi3> i will see now... ok thanks fo the info..
[16:42] <metbsd> will ubuntu server edition fit 650MB cd?
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> metbsd: sure
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> metbsd: make sure you get the md5sum too to check it is consistant
[16:44] <metbsd> i can install with server cd, and install a desktop gnome workstation?
[16:44] <metbsd> install with server cd and config it to desktop workstation later?
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> metbsd: then theres no point, you may as well use the desktop
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> metbsd: you can but you wont gain anything
[16:49] <mefisto__> but desktop edition won't fit on 650MB cd. maybe that's the issue?
[16:49] <elirips> Hello. I'm running Kubuntu 8.10. Now I need to install Windows Vista on another partition. I assume that Vista will break Grub, what can I prepare to easily restore it afterwards?
[16:51] <SlimeyPete> !grub
[16:52] <elirips> SlimeyPete: thank you
[16:52] <SlimeyPete> no problem
[16:55] <mefisto__> metbsd: if you don't have a 700MB cd to burn to, you could download the minimal iso: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:59] <metbsd> will i have problem if i install server version of ubuntu first, then config it to be desktop
[17:01] <demi> Anyone know much about conky?
[17:02] <demi> I got the right lines to make it transparant but its not working..
[17:06] <josh-l> what browsers do you most of you use?
[17:07] <elirips> josh-l: konqueror where it works, firefox for the rest
[17:08] <Haza1> This might be a silly question but ive had a look through the options in Adapt Manager ect... How do i upgrade my Kubuntu from version 8.04 to 8.10?
[17:09] <mefisto__> !upgrade
[17:09] <josh-l> ai i'm exhausted of my most recent distro shuffle... i enjoy the simplicity (in comparison to opensuse) of kubuntu, but i really need opera-qt4 (on x86-64) which i can only find on opensuse
[17:09] <Haza1> mefisto__: Thanks :)
[17:11] <elirips> josh-l: just wondering, why exactly do you need opera?
[17:12] <josh-l> elirips: in a qt only environment i find its the only browser that can do everything i want
[17:13] <josh-l> i could use more than one browser to do everything i need, but i just wont do that
[17:15] <demi> Can anyone tell me why double_Buffer does nto allow conky to load?
[17:16] <Dashkal> Having a problem with removable USB drives in Kubuntu 8.10.  KDE is handling mounting the drive for me, but it's mounting it so all files appear to be named in lower case.  This is corrupting some of my programming projects when I try to copy them over to my ext3 partition (case does matter for some of these files).
[17:18] <Dashkal> With a little help from google I found out that adding shortname=mixed to the mount options will fix it, but how do I do that when the drive is automounted?
[17:20] <mefisto__> Dashkal: add that option to fstab I suppose
[17:21] <Dashkal> removable media.  not in fstab to begin with.
[17:21] <Dashkal> more to the point, a USB drive, not even a cdrom
[17:22] <mefisto__> Dashkal: you could put it in fstab. use UUID so fstab mounts that particular drive with the options you want
[17:22] <Dashkal> mmm
[17:22] <Dashkal> how is that going to interact with KDE's automounter?
[17:23] <mefisto__> not sure at all, but you could try it and find out
[17:24] <Dashkal> mmm
[17:24] <demi> Anyone use Conky? I got the following lines added into my conkyrc to make it transparent.
[17:24] <Dashkal> Think I'll go file a bug on this one.  Ignoring case on a filesystem that preserves it is not correct beheviour
[17:25] <demi> own_window yes
[17:25] <demi> own_window_type desktop
[17:25] <demi> own_window_transparent yes
[17:25] <demi> own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_page
[17:25] <demi> But It wont go transparent it has a slight grey color to the background but not transparent...
[17:27] <demi> Would this line cause it not to be tranparent?
[17:27] <demi> # Default colors and also border colors, grey90 == #e5e5e5
[17:27] <demi> default_color grey
[17:32] <Havalina> hello all
[17:32] <Havalina> i have some problems with my KDE panel :)
[17:32] <martijn81> Havalina: just say so
[17:33] <Havalina> well...i rightclicked on the panel by accident and suddenly the digital clock took all the space on my panel...when i access panel settings
[17:33] <Havalina> i fitured i moved the system tray
[17:33] <Havalina> hmm i actually think i figured it out just now
[17:33] <Havalina> :)
[17:34] <Havalina> i removed task manager by accident
[17:34] <Havalina> good grief im a bit of a noob :)
[17:34] <martijn81> Havalina: and now you have added it again?
[17:34] <Havalina> martijn81: yeah :)
[17:34] <martijn81> ok then
[17:34] <martijn81> working again then
[17:34] <Havalina> i think so :) give me one sec
[17:36] <Havalina> oh one last thing...how i moved my panel to the top of my screen...how do i get it down in the bottom again?
[17:37] <mefisto__> Havalina: do you see "screen edge" in panel settings?
[17:38] <Havalina> mefisto__: hmm i can see some sliders
[17:38] <Havalina> ahh i did it
[17:38] <Havalina> dragging the screen edge :)
[17:38] <Havalina> thanks again
[17:39] <demi> guy's im gonan ask again, this is a noob question too, but each time I restart the computer or relog KDE, My Desktop Effects don't stay on, they are all still selected during reboot but not effective, I have to recheck one and rehit apply to make them work again.
[17:39] <demi> I gave permissions to my Home directory.
[17:40] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[17:41] <Havalina> how do i check if i have any updates that need installing?
[17:43] <martijn81> Havalina: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:44] <Havalina> martijn81: hehe the terminal way huh :)
[17:44] <mefisto__> Havalina: you could also do it in adept if you prefer gui
[17:44] <mefisto__> adept manager
[17:44] <noren> hi
[17:44] <FuriousGeorge> i have a couple of servers running kubuntu (ltsp), and when running some 3rd party software the time is off by an hour on one of them (in the software) despite the system time being the same.
[17:44] <Havalina> mefisto__: well started adept...trying to find were the updates is placed :)
[17:45] <FuriousGeorge> i called the software support, and they said it was a utc vs localtime issue
[17:45] <noren> i am still fighting to get back the lost space
[17:45] <mefisto__> Havalina: intrepid 8.10 ? kde 4.2 ?
[17:46] <Havalina> mefisto__: KDE 4
[17:47] <FuriousGeorge> how can i verify if the server is using localtime or utc?
[17:47] <Havalina> mefisto__: think i found it...had to press upgrade
[17:48] <Havalina> thats a lot of updates
[17:48] <noren> Havalina: it must be around 240 mb of updates
[17:48] <mefisto__> Havalina: adept is a little different depending on which kubuntu and which kde versions you have. that's why I asked
[17:49] <Havalina> mefisto__: ohh i see :) well im very new to all this...
[17:49] <Havalina> but i think its updating now :)
[17:50] <noren> mefisto__: my home folder say its 5.6 gb but my partiotion has has only one gb free ( /home partition 10 gb_) how can i trace that
[17:54] <mefisto__> noren: any other user folders in /home ?
[17:54] <doleyb> noren: kdf or kdiskfree ? du -h --max-depth 3
[17:56] <BluesKaj> noren, sudo fdisk -l
[17:57] <noren> mefisto__: doleyb: BluesKaj:  see this  please http://paste.ubuntu.com/130718/
[17:59] <noren> df -h  && sudo du -sh ./*
[18:01] <noren> oh ok i think i got where the prob was thanks everyone
[18:02] <mefisto__> what was it, noren?
[18:05] <noren> mefisto__: i am still trying to confirm if i am right here
[18:06] <elirips> Is there a tool available for KDE 4.2 to partition and format drives? I dont find it.. (?)
[18:07] <noren> elirips: get ktparted or gparted
[18:08] <mefisto__> qtparted ?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> elirips, download and burn to a disk GParted live cd ..it's the best partition editor IMO
[18:09] <noren> mefisto__: ya typo
[18:09] <elirips> thank you
[18:09] <Administrator_> gpart is something like partition manager?
[18:09] <Dr_willis> Gparted live cd,. or that other systemrescue live cd.. - a must have in the toolbox
[18:09] <qcjn> hey Dr_willis
[18:09] <Dr_willis> Administrator_,  if you mean  'like' as in 'totally better' :) yes...
[18:10] <Dr_willis> Whats up qcjn
[18:10] <demi> Will it be safe to delete a script I made in my .kde/Autostart/ ?
[18:10] <Administrator_> i don't see how it is better, it's just a tool to del, create, and resize partiton
[18:10] <noren> mefisto__: but qtparted does not give the ext3 option oly ext2 options only
[18:11] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. qtparted lets me format things to ext3 here.
[18:11] <Dr_willis>  Youi can always format the filesystem outside of gparted if you want.
[18:11] <mefisto__> noren: oh? I thought both were just a frontend for parted and assumed both would have the same functions
[18:11] <josh-l> hey, is jaunty worth using yet to have kde 4.2 or is it still really buggy?
[18:11] <qcjn> i ve found this "cat /dev/video0 > whatsoever.mpg" to record from my tv card, nad i m searching a wy to put a lenght of time of recording ?
[18:12] <Dr_willis> qcjn,  thats.. hardcore. :)
[18:12] <qcjn> :)
[18:13] <qcjn> why is it hard core ?
[18:13] <mefisto__> josh-l: some days jaunty is great, other days after upgrades it totally breaks for me. it's not released yet and is constantly changing
[18:14] <Dr_willis> qcjn,  i much perfer mythtv - it can auto flag/remove comercials :P
[18:14] <Dashkal> cat /dev/video0 > vid.mpg & at now + 10m kill %1  (Off the top of my head, no idea if that'll actually work)
[18:14] <josh-l> hmm ok thanks mefisto__ i need to reinstall so if jaunty was stable enough i was just going to go to that instead of going through all the updates
[18:14] <qcjn> it tried to understand mythtv ? :(
[18:15] <qcjn> if you know of a good tutorial
[18:15] <qcjn> step by step
[18:15] <demi> Hey all I made a "Compiz.sh script in /home/user/.kde/Autostart , and added some lines, and now I removed it but its not getting rid of the settings I added, what do I neeed to do?
[18:15] <Dr_willis> download/install mythbuntu :)
[18:15] <Dr_willis> configure card...   enjoy. :)
[18:15] <Dr_willis> of course now a days the issue with mythtv is often gettting the tvlisting downloaded. :(
[18:16] <qcjn> i ve download before mythtv frontend, i have it in my application menu
[18:16] <BluesKaj> is mythtv still a pita to install ?
[18:17] <qcjn> is pita = headache
[18:17] <qcjn> kind of
[18:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:17] <qcjn> ok
[18:17] <qcjn> thats what i tought
[18:17] <BluesKaj> the pain is somewhere else  abit lower , but you get my drift
[18:18] <qcjn> yep
[18:18] <Dr_willis> I dident have much problem with it..
[18:18] <Dr_willis> but im a leet-haxor-dood
[18:18] <Dr_willis> :P
[18:18] <Dr_willis> and i did spend an hr+ the first time figureing it out.
[18:18] <qcjn> and you didn't write a tutorial :(
[18:18] <qcjn> for us
[18:18] <demi> How do I disable the script I made in .kde/autostart, after I removed the file?
[18:18] <qcjn> :)
[18:19] <Dr_willis> I followed the wiki pages i recall
[18:19] <BluesKaj> well, I couldn't get it to work with my ati tvwonder pro card
[18:19] <Dr_willis> BlueEagle,  yea.. that would be  a issue. :)
[18:19] <mefisto__> demi: what was that script doing?
[18:19] <qcjn> i have a winttv pvr 150
[18:19] <Dr_willis> i got an ati-all-in-wonder-pro from years ago.. (it dont work) got a not as old hauppage pvr150 that works great
[18:19] <demi> Enabling some effects for compiz, but it disabled all of my kde effects form working.
[18:20] <Dr_willis> qcjn,  if i rcall corrctly on the mythtvsetup proggram i just had to use the proper pulldown menu item to tell it i had that card.. and away it went
[18:20] <qcjn> ok, then, do i have to uninstall mythtv frontend first
[18:20] <demi> Here is the pastebin of what I did. http://pastebin.com/mbde365f
[18:21] <demi> I just want to disable what I did=\
[18:21] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis,, i bought a tivo , so i went a different route , now i can send shows back and forth between my pc and the HT on our network using a python app called pyTivo , which also works on windows machines.
[18:22] <qcjn> Dr_willis: or just  try to install mythubuntu without removing this frontend
[18:23] <Dr_willis> I bought a PVR - had a 80gb hd - for $200 a few yrs back. - it works decently well.. but now  the Optical drive wont eject. :( a 'bug' with the design.. heh
[18:23] <Dr_willis> Mythtv should include both the front and backends
[18:23] <Dr_willis> actually for just a media player - i could set up mythtv again on my other machine.. Hmm...
[18:24] <mefisto__> demi: so compiz still starts when you login?
[18:24] <Dr_willis> a little overkill.. since im not recording anything. Just playing avi files
[18:24] <demi> After I removed the script well deleted it yes, and the kde effects dont work though.
[18:24] <noren> well is there a way to play vids in amarok ?? :?
[18:24] <Dr_willis> amarok is a music player last i looked.
[18:25] <khashayar> Does anyone know if there's a bug report filed about KDE's display settings not being able to configure an extended desktop?
[18:25] <qcjn> when i look in synaptic, i seem to have install the backend
[18:25] <vbgunz> is there a way to temporarily boot into another OS directly from Kubuntu? e.g., rather than choose the OS from gub at boot up, to make the next boot automatically go to another OS once and reboots there after default to normal?
[18:25] <mefisto__> noren: there was a "play video" script for amarok, but I could never get it to work
[18:27] <qcjn> no Upnp backend found
[18:28] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  ive seen some disrtos that 'somehow' alter the grub menu.lst 'setdefault' option when they exit. that do that.. but ive not sure how thy do it. :)
[18:28] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  just make a script that properly changes the 'default #' entry in menu.lst
[18:29] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: hmm. sounds simple enough. I thought there would be a simpler and already existing method. I remember seeing a grub editor in systemsettings. I think they junked it for Jaunty :(
[18:29] <mefisto__> noren: actually that amarok is working now :) it just opens the file in the amarok playlist in a video player
[18:29] <mefisto__> noren: *amarok script
[18:30] <fp> olaa
[18:30] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  i recall redhat doing that once.. but if you think about it.. its not that commonly used a feature.. and really i dont like the idea of somthing tweaking my menu.lst automatically :)
[18:30] <noren> ok i m looking at that now
[18:30] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  perhaps with grub2 it will comeback.
[18:30] <qcjn> starts with hostname
[18:30] <qcjn> is that my user name
[18:31] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: heh, I siwtched to Kubuntu from Ubuntu for this very reason a couple years ago. Kubuntu had an eye on more configs though you may have only tweaked them once :)
[18:31] <demi> How can I disable a Script form running at startup?
[18:31] <tarfart> um... yeah.  i downloaded xchm and it sucks becuase the search/find feature doesent work.
[18:31] <tarfart> how do i make it work.
[18:31] <tarfart> i ran a search on nmap, and it Not works.
[18:32] <Tm_T> Guest651: are we rooted now?
[18:32] <Dr_willis> !find chm
[18:32] <mefisto__> vbgunz: on the kde restart button, do you have a down arrow? if you do, click and hold mouse button and you should get a menu listing your grub boot list
[18:33] <noren> mefisto__: i installed that but how to get it started
[18:33] <vbgunz> mefisto__: wow, imagine that. I don't but that would rock huh :D
[18:34] <mefisto__> noren: make sure it's running (from script manager), then load a video in the playlist. to play video, right-click and "PlayVideos" submenu
[18:35] <tarfart> whats wrong with this linux junk. it's not even working!
[18:36] <vbgunz> tarfart: that was the most trolling statement I've read so far this year. are you serious?
[18:36] <mefisto__> vbgunz: systemsettings > login manager, shutdown tab, set it to "grub"
[18:36] <tarfart> vbgunz: yes, becuase it's failing... woefully
[18:36] <noren> mefisto__: only gives me audio no vid
[18:36] <mefisto__> vbgunz: set bootmanager to grub, that is
[18:37] <tarfart> again. im running chm, the find function is failing, why?
[18:37] <tarfart> i thought kubuntu was linux for human n00bs.  what dependancy or what ever is xchm missing that it's making the end user install?
[18:39] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I didn't have an arrow on restart *but* had one for shutdown. setting grub as the manager in login manager, well, now I don't have an arrow on shutdown or restart :/
[18:39] <tarfart> linux shit.
[18:39] <vbgunz> tarfart: how long have you been a user?
[18:39] <tarfart> vbgunz: i just installed intrepid, whats your point.  why doesnet someone just answer my question?
[18:39] <vbgunz> I ask because if you're comfortable, the only chm viewer I use I need to build though its quite easy. kchmviewer. try apt-get it might be in the repos
[18:40] <tarfart> why is xchm not doing it's job
[18:40] <tarfart> that one sucks.
[18:40] <noren> !info xchm
[18:40] <tarfart> i suppose i'll try it
[18:40] <tarfart> thats a bit of an extent.
[18:40] <tarfart> why wont  the linux shit just work in the first place.
[18:40] <tarfart> poor design.
[18:40] <tarfart> no wander everyone uses windows.
[18:41] <LjL> !attitude
[18:41] <vbgunz> heh, I can understand the frustration
[18:41] <mefisto__> yeah everything always works in windows and never causes any frustration
[18:41] <trpr> :D
[18:42] <vbgunz> mefisto__: heh. I just installed Windows Server 2008 on this box and wow, the problems right out of the gate were staggering. heh, on the other hand, Kubuntu just worked from A-to-Z. damn its hot :)
[18:44] <vbgunz> tarfart: do you have kchmviewer in the repos?
[18:44] <vbgunz> I always preferred it to be honest.
[18:44] <vbgunz> I still work with chm files so it is definitely invaluable
[18:44] <BluesKaj> my kubuntu box accesses wife's vista box on our network, whereas the windows 7 partition won't at all
[18:45] <tarfart> vbgunz: um... yeah.  kchmviewer is god awfull free crap too.
[18:46] <tarfart> im using the find function, it says there are no results for nmap, WHEN IM LOOKING RIGHT AT IT IN THE INDEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:46] <tarfart> linux shit.
[18:46]  * Dr_willis notes that chm is a 'windows invention' and there are chm2pdf or other format tools
[18:47] <Dr_willis> but its a moot point. peopkle would rather rant then 'learn'
[18:47] <vbgunz> thats not even the point though. its like me burning down the house because the welcome mat doesn't work :(
[18:48] <BluesKaj> hehe, i remember being a bit like him about 5 yrs ago
[18:48] <mefisto__> noren: about the play videos script, I notice it opens avi videos in kmplayer (even though kmplayer is not my default player) so maybe installing kmplayer will help the script work
[18:48] <tarfart> i hate linux.
[18:49] <Dr_willis> tarfart,  demand a refund then.
[18:49] <Dr_willis> I diont even have a chm file handy to  test out
[18:49] <Dr_willis> ive converted them all to pdf and html
[18:49] <tarfart> ugh, kpdf, what a memory hogger.
[18:49] <vbgunz> tarfart: linux isn't the problem
[18:51] <syphys> Bonjour :)
[18:51] <zuko> preved! a kak eto rfbotaet?
[18:52] <LjL> zuko: english please
[18:52] <tarfart> zuko: this is america?
[18:52] <tarfart> speak american.
[18:52] <mefisto__> america?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> or english , both are acceptable
[18:52] <trpr> tarfart: not a safe assumption. but english is the international language of business :D
[18:53] <zuko> do not speak amerikan
[18:53] <zuko> )))
[18:53] <mefisto__> zuko: what language was that?
[18:53] <zuko> dont no
[18:53]  * Dr_willis is fluent in redneck
[18:53] <zuko> ja russkij!
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !ru
[18:55] <zuko> thanks
[18:57] <badpc> ate from  konsole?
[18:57] <badpc> how do i update from konsole?
[18:57] <badpc> or terminal
[18:58] <jamesjedimaster> what do you want to update? installed packages?
[18:58] <badpc> jamesjedimaster: whole system
[18:58] <Haza> Gents, is there any way i can book my kubuntu and skip the disk check?
[18:58] <Haza> *boot
[18:58] <Dr_willis> I thought ive seen where you can hit escape or ctrl-c to get past it..but its NOT a good idea
[18:59] <Dr_willis> on my laptop - if i was on battery it autoskipped it i recall
[18:59] <jamesjedimaster> badpc: a version upgrade?
[18:59] <badpc> jamesjedimaster: yes
[18:59] <mefisto__> !upgrade
[18:59] <jamesjedimaster> badpc: check this url http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[19:00] <poky> Ahoj
[19:01] <badpc> jamesjedimaster: im sorry i allready have the version i want just want to update
[19:02] <badpc> jamesjedimaster: havent been on in a while and want to update
[19:02] <mefisto__> badpc: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:03] <jamesjedimaster> badpc: in Konsole: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:03] <siekacz> hi
[19:03] <badpc> ty much
[19:03] <jamesjedimaster> anytime
[19:03] <siekacz> i have a very strange problem withs plasmoids(KDE 4.2.0 from ubuntu backports)
[19:04] <siekacz> I can install them with no problems
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !plasmoids
[19:04] <siekacz> but when i wanna run one i see "Cold not find requested component: xxx
[19:05] <mefisto__> siekacz: all plasmoids?
[19:05] <siekacz> standard plasmoids works good
[19:05] <siekacz> only installed plasmoids
[19:05] <Haza> hmm
[19:05] <siekacz> like stasks or magicfolder
[19:05] <Haza> ctrl+c does not seem to skil the HD check when booting kubuntu
[19:05] <BluesKaj> siekacz, http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[19:05] <Haza> Any other idea's?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> Haza, http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[19:06] <siekacz> kubuntu-experimental packages are slow
[19:06] <siekacz> and they were more buggy
[19:07] <vbgunz> KDE 4.2 is such a godsend over 4.1 I remember upgrading to KDE 4.1 and stopped recommending it to anyone recommending instead Ubuntu (because I dont hate/dislike Gnome) *but* KDE 4.2 gave me the confidence back to recommending it again :)
[19:09] <gabriel_> i thought linux was stable, but it crashes like once a day. Just by using amarok, firefow, dolphin and linuxDC++. On windows, at least not the whole OS freezes when a program crashes :(
[19:09] <siekacz> i used gnome, it's OK but... KDE brings something fresh to Linux Desktop, gnome looks like GUIs from XX century :)
[19:09] <tarfart> gabriel_: linux shit.
[19:09] <tarfart> gabriel_: yeah i usually holler in my cubicle, "Linux Garbage" about 5 times a day
[19:09] <jamesjedimaster> gabriel_: sometimes the problem is the hardware, no the software
[19:09] <kuaera> gabriel_: It's a rock solid server OS.
[19:09] <gabriel_> siekacz: i agree fully. but ubuntu on gnome has been much more stable than kubuntu on KDE  for me :/
[19:10] <Dr_willis> 'fresh/new is not always better.. see vista'
[19:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:10] <tarfart> hey vista made good money
[19:10] <kuaera> And don't listen to tarfart. He's been trolling for a couple days.
[19:10] <tarfart> thats because i have been running intrepid for a few days
[19:10] <tarfart> and it sucks.
[19:10] <vbgunz> a couple days really?
[19:10] <siekacz> gabriel_: gnome is more stable, kde will be more stable than gnome
[19:10] <trpr> i am curious why he is even using it. it sounds like he is being forced.
[19:10] <vbgunz> a couple days over chm?
[19:10]  * Dr_willis cracks the whip!
[19:10] <siekacz> but not 4.2 or 4.2
[19:11] <gabriel_> yes, good for server... but i was tired of windows. i really want to run kubuntu, but i had always had stability problems. Sure, I run kde 4.2, but that should be stable enough shouldn't it?    For a week.
[19:13] <vbgunz> yeah, Jaunty isn't rock solid for me *but* I know this is true of alpha software 90% of the time.  :P
[19:14]  * tarfart downloads xp corporate from aMule
[19:14] <demi> I will refuse to use apps like that.
[19:15] <Dr_willis> demi,  and we all know that 'tinyxp' is better :)
[19:15] <tarfart> i like aMule it has tons of neat stuff
[19:15] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: well... i doubt it, because ubuntu has run fine. it's alwasys when i try kubuntu i have problems.
[19:15] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: I have an nForce 750a Sli Motherboard with an NVIDIA chipset and everything works out of the box pretty flawlessly. The only driver I needed manually was the graphics driver :)
[19:15] <demi> It's just KDE 4.2  or any kde 4 lol
[19:15] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  there are some issues with kde4 and the  nvidia drivers from what i gather.  KDE4 is still a work in progress in many areas
[19:15] <demi> Once it makes it to 4.5+ is when it will be more solid.
[19:15] <kuaera> KDE 4 was adopted very prematurely
[19:15] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  my netbook is 100% out of the box. :)
[19:16] <demi> so far my ATI Drivers run great on kde 4
[19:16] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: i'm starting to think it might be amarok. If i play a video (any player), and then fire up amarok, and PAUSE it, i get artifacts in my video playback.  But ONLY when i PAUSE amarok. funny or what?
[19:16] <vbgunz> demi: but thats when 5 will be release and Kubuntu force upgrades to it ;)
[19:16] <tarfart> oh and fglrx doesent even work.
[19:16] <Dr_willis> kuaera,  yep.. and thats been argued to death.  but they forced it out to get work done on it..
[19:16] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  that is weird.
[19:16] <kuaera> Dr_willis: Hell, now I'm even helping on it.
[19:16] <demi> One thing I dont like about this new KDE4 is the plasmoid desktop stuff, I preferred the good old icons...
[19:17] <tarfart>  product: RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[19:17] <tarfart> yes fglrx doesent work
[19:17] <Dr_willis> tarfart,  so?
[19:17] <kuaera> tarfart: fglrx is closed source. Not Open Source's fault, or linux's. Get lost.
[19:17] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: yes, i can reproduce the bug at will
[19:17] <demi> Im using Radeon X1800 XT, and they work great I had to do a system upgrade though
[19:17] <Dr_willis> but ati claimed to  open the drivers!
[19:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:17] <demi> But it probably just needed the xorg ati driver file updated I reckon
[19:17] <siekacz> ati drivers still sucks
[19:17] <siekacz> :)
[19:18] <mefisto__> tarfart: I have the same ati card and fglrx works perfectly
[19:18] <josh-l> is there something special i need to do to be able to install koffice on intrpid (running kde 4.2) ?
[19:18] <badpc> knowledge is the key to the universe!
[19:19] <vbgunz> gabriel_: have you tried Ubuntu? same version? if you constantly crash then maybe it is in the under lying code shared across *ubuntu distros else, chances are it'll all be fixed in 4.2 which I find a whole lot better and more solid
[19:19] <siekacz> ati won't support xserver 1.6 in catalyst 9.3
[19:19] <tarfart> mefisto__: how did you make it work?  i enabled it under Kmenu > System > Hardware Drivers
[19:19] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: i really like ubuntu.. except i want to run kde, it looks so much nicer
[19:19] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  i dont even find kde looking that much nicer..  its 'shiny' :) but often its the old bluejeans that fit better then the new Polyester pants.
[19:20] <tarfart> mefisto__: if i attempted to install fglrx "by hand", then ran dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ;   and then enabled fglx drivers System > Hardware Drivers
[19:20] <vbgunz> tarfart: that sometimes doesn't work compared to getting the driver directly from your vendor and installing it with there package. my nvidia drivers works better direct from nvidia. at this point I just use there driver direct
[19:20] <tarfart> shouldnt it work?
[19:20] <gabriel_> vbgunz: yes i have run ubuntu 8.10 before this, and i had no problems at all. now i run kubuntu 8.19 with kde4.2
[19:20] <tarfart> umm
[19:20] <demi> is it kde 4.2.1 in the backports or just 4.2.0?
[19:20] <vbgunz> gabriel_: 8.19 must be the deal, is that like 9.04+ 6?
[19:20] <vbgunz> 9.10?
[19:20] <tarfart> ok so kde has a function, System > Hardware Drivers, and it doesent always work?
[19:20] <vbgunz> heh, my math is bad :(
[19:21] <demi> tarfart did you do a system upgrade?
[19:21] <gabriel_> Dr_willis: yes but the old bluejeans are not very fashionable, so you will not get laid :P
[19:21] <tarfart> demi: i ran apt-get update yeah if thats what you mean.
[19:21] <Dr_willis> gabriel_,  at my age.. thats not a problem i worry about...
[19:21] <vbgunz> tarfart: its always a work in progress. not exactly a bad thing though. trying the driver direct from ATI is an option
[19:21] <tarfart> ok
[19:21] <Dr_willis> !ati
[19:21] <gabriel_> i mean 8.10 of course
[19:21] <kuaera> Dr_willis: Polyesther? I think it's more like Emperor's New Clothes: Oxygen
[19:21] <tarfart> vbgunz: i thought i read some where, that installing directly from the vendor is the least recomended thing to do, and to do it the "ubuntu way." i'll try that.
[19:21] <Dr_willis> ive had such good luck with built in Intel video cards.. i wonder if they make  pciexpress cards...
[19:22] <mefisto__> tarfart: I had to edit xorg.conf to fix resolution and fix a video  playback bug