[06:00] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[06:00] <Flannel> fritsy4: I have no idea how vmware works.
[06:00] <Pyro> hello.. i am running ubuntu gutsy server <33 and i want to use ytalk to talk between to user accounts logged in through SSH
[06:01] <fritsy4> Flannel, ok - thank you very much
[06:01] <Pyro> can anyone help me? it says there is no daemon
[06:01] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: what video card do you use, if you're not sure of the exact details   lspci | grep -i  typed in a terminal will tell you
[06:01] <Stephen-Mason> ge force go 6400
[06:01] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: erm,  lspci | grep -i vga   that is
[06:01] <fritsy4> !automate
[06:01] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[06:01] <Invert314> how do i search the ubuntu repos for a package with "aurora" in the package name?
[06:02] <spdf> Invert314, apt-cache search aurora
[06:02] <jrib> Invert314: apt-cache search --names-only aurora
[06:02] <Casey> On boot I keep getting "You passed an undefined mode number. Press <RETURN> to see video modes available, <SPACE> to continue or wait" and I don't see the boot screen/shutdown screen. Any ideas?
[06:03] <Stephen-Mason> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce Go 6200/6400] (rev a1)
[06:03] <fritsy4> anybody knows how to backup VMware when reinstalling ? (downgrading)
[06:03] <Pyro> hello.. i am running ubuntu gutsy server <33 and i want to use ytalk to talk between to user accounts logged in through SSH. it says i need a ytalk daemon. can anyone help me?
[06:03] <quigz> i am trying to get a microphone to work its on a usb and i am getting an error when i try to test the sound capture device.
[06:03] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: did you do the   system->admin->restricted manager , and enable nvidia restricted driver step?
[06:05] <Stephen-Mason> i ticked the box, and pressed continue but i got an error saying .... the software source package is not enabled then when i restart its back disabled
[06:05] <Invert314> ty spdf and jrib
[06:05] <nickrud> fritsy4: backup the folder you have the vmware image in
 When I was a younger man...well..... I inhaled frequently, I mean that was the point wasn't it?
[06:05] <notmike> XD
[06:05] <Pyro> hello.. i am running ubuntu gutsy server <33 and i want to use ytalk to talk between to user accounts logged in through SSH. it says i need a ytalk daemon. can anyone help me?
[06:06] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: system->admin->software sources, make sure the first four sources are enabled, and the cdrom is not. Then do the restricted manager thing again
[06:06] <fritsy4> nickrud, after i reisntall vmware -how do i proceed ?
[06:06] <astro76> !ot | notmike
[06:06] <spdf> pyro, the talk daemon is talkd
[06:06] <ubotu> notmike: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:07] <nickrud> fritsy4: start vmware , then browse to the folder again and start it
[06:07] <nickrud> fritsy4: 'it' being the vm
[06:07] <fritsy4> nickrud, so easy! thank you
[06:07] <Pyro> hello.. i am running ubuntu gutsy server <33 and i want to use ytalk to talk between to user accounts logged in through SSH. it says i need a ytalk daemon. can anyone help me?
[06:07] <un_op> !info ytalk | Pyro
[06:07] <ubotu> pyro: ytalk (source: ytalk): enhanced talk program. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.0-3 (gutsy), package size 43 kB, installed size 144 kB
[06:08] <Pyro> i have installed it
[06:08] <bod_> now thats just plain childish
[06:08] <jotham> hi, i want to back up a small (4-5gig) ubuntu install onto another disk across my lan, what would be the best way to do this? i thought i could mount the backup target and dd the internal drive to the backup target, or i could make some kind of tar (with store level compression) of the local disk to the backup target ... but i've never tried to do this, i have 4 small installs to perform this on
[06:08] <spdf> Pyro, talkd
[06:08] <Pyro> talkd?
[06:08] <bod_> ive been banned from off-topic
[06:08] <Stephen-Mason> i love you :)
[06:08] <spdf> Pyro, yep, its the talk daemon
[06:08] <Pyro> i need a way to talk over SSH thats simple
[06:08] <bod_> for talking about off-topic stuff
[06:08] <Pyro> ahh okay
[06:08] <Pyro> sudo apt-get install talkd?
[06:08] <Pyro> and then it will work?
[06:09] <jotham> talkd will work
[06:09] <tritium> bod_: no, for trolling and harassing me and others.
[06:09] <Pyro> talkd is already the newest version.
[06:09] <Pyro> talkd set to manual installed.
[06:09] <bod_> tritium,  so where do i go to talk about ot stuff,.,. and could u plz explain (on a serous note) if i dont unerstand u could u plz explain urself better
[06:10] <methods> so when you goes do a hibernate you some how save state to swap partition ?
[06:10] <nickrud> methods: that's the method used
[06:10] <Pyro> well its not working
[06:10] <Pyro> apparantly its already installed =\
[06:10] <methods> hm how does that work ?
[06:10] <nickrud> !coc | bod_
[06:10] <ubotu> bod_: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:10] <nalioth> bod_: #off-topic exists, so does #defocus.  there are many channels for general chit-chat
[06:11]  * nickrud has to sign that some day
[06:11] <kahrytan> Does anyone have an experience with gnupg?
[06:11] <methods> i was pretty upset with the ubuntu book... i bought it thinking it was gonna be a low down on ubuntu... i didn' tlook at it for over two weeks! then i realize it's just a newb user guide.... and it was to late to return it
[06:11] <jrib> jotham: I can't really tell you what I think is best, but I'll send you the wiki page on backups.  If you want to make an exact copy of the disk (like with dd), then check out partimage too.
[06:11] <methods> i wanted something to explained how ubuntu is put together
[06:11] <methods> from a sys admin point of view
[06:11] <jrib> !backups > jotham (read the private message from ubotu)
[06:11] <Madpilot> kahrytan, lots of people. That's a pretty general question, though.
[06:11] <jotham> jrib: cheers man
[06:12] <kahrytan> I can't send an encrypted mail to myself.
[06:12] <spdf> jotham, check out rsync as well
[06:12] <nickrud> kahrytan: the most critical thing I can tell you about gnupg is treat your secret key like gold.  I keep losing keys, so I don't currently have one
[06:14] <kahrytan> astro76➲  yes.  too .. umm.. to see if it would send it
[06:14] <Pyro> this is f**d.. sorry for saying that but omg.
[06:14] <astro76> !language | Pyro
[06:14] <ubotu> Pyro: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:14] <Madpilot> Pyro, hmm?
[06:14] <Pyro> sorry
[06:14] <kahrytan> nickrud➲  Stop
[06:14] <Pyro> yea okay sorry.. i did cencor
[06:15] <heartsblood> what is the defualt path that libs are installed to?
[06:15] <kahrytan> nickrud➲  I just made the keys
[06:15] <Pyro> it is in /usr/lib
[06:15] <astro76> kahrytan: he's giving good advice
[06:15] <kahrytan> astro76➲  Hes not listening.
[06:15] <heartsblood> pyro: ty.
[06:15]  * nickrud is so frustrated with losing critcal stuff, he gets monomaniacal about it
[06:15] <Pyro> no probs
[06:15] <heartsblood> now how do I get cmake to incude /usr/lib :>
[06:16] <kahrytan> nickrud➲  Im not loosing any keys
[06:16] <nickrud> kahrytan: yes, I was listening but had nothing to offer on what you followed up on. I was still sharing the first question, just general experience. But, I'm done :)
[06:16] <kahrytan> nickrud➲  I just made a NEW KEY. I can't use that NEW key to send email.
[06:17] <Khalil> im having a problem sending over bluetooth with hardy...
[06:17] <Khalil> and ideas?
[06:17] <kahrytan> nickrud➲  I didnt ask for it.
[06:17] <Pyro> i dont know :(
[06:17] <rsk> ubuntu+1 Khalil
[06:17] <kahrytan> Someone please help me fix gnupg
[06:17] <Pyro> heartsblood: no help from google either :@
[06:18] <Stephen-Mason> hey, isnt ubuntu the os where you can have like 4 desktops and there on a cube how do you do that?
[06:18] <kahrytan> Someone please help me fix gnupg. I make a new key -- gnupg and kgpg. tried both. When I tried to send a test email, it says public key not found. 30mins ago, it says secret key not found.
[06:19] <rsk> Stephen-Mason: it's on by default.
[06:19] <fritsy4> Stephen-Mason, system>preference>appearence
[06:19] <Stephen-Mason> do i need to press a keyboard shortcut or something?
[06:19] <DanaG> Gaack, I have two HFS+ volumes with the same UUID.  How do I make them different?
[06:20] <stanger> how long does it usually take to boot from the live cd?
[06:20] <fritsy4> Stephen-Mason, in "appearence" click on 'visual effects" but you need a graphic card that supports it
[06:20] <heartsblood> pyro: were would files like lame.h, xvid.h, dts.h, x264.h be?
[06:20] <kahrytan> Someone please help me fix gnupg. I make a new key -- gnupg and kgpg. tried both. When I tried to send a test email, it says public key not found. 30mins ago, it says secret key not found.
[06:20] <stanger> i've waited as long as 20 minutes and still no go
[06:20] <astro76> !repeat | kahrytan
[06:20] <ubotu> kahrytan: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:20] <spdf> strance, Is it just sitting with a blank screen?
[06:20] <kahrytan> astro76➲  stop that
[06:20] <stanger> yeah
[06:20] <nickrud> stanger: about 4-5 minutes, max
[06:20] <astro76> kahrytan: honestly I was starting to help until you were quite rude with another quite helpful person
[06:20] <Stephen-Mason> its on extra?
[06:21] <spdf> stanger, Hmm.. what type of video card?
[06:21] <astro76> kahrytan: and there you go again
[06:21] <kahrytan> astro76➲ umm .. helpful? when?
[06:21] <stanger> 8800 gts
[06:21] <fritsy4> Stephen-Mason, what do you mean?
[06:21] <nickrud> astro76: I don't take it personally, when someone is really frustrated sometimes they're a bit sharp. I do that regularly at work
[06:21] <Stephen-Mason> it has like 3 options, none moderate and extra?
[06:21] <Stephen-Mason> just 3 radio buttons?
[06:22] <stanger> nickrud or spdf any idea what could cause it to hang?
[06:22] <fritsy4> you dont have a "custom" option?
[06:22] <Stephen-Mason> no :(
[06:22] <fritsy4> what graphic card do you have?
[06:22] <nickrud> stanger: try running the check disk option on the startup (if you get that far)
[06:22] <stanger> yeah i can get to that screen
[06:22] <Stephen-Mason> geforce go 6400?
[06:23] <stanger> i ran it and it hung as well
[06:23] <kahrytan> astro76➲  You are being rude to me
[06:23] <spdf> stanger, its likely it doesn't like that for whatever reason
[06:23] <stanger> waited about 10 minutes on that
[06:23] <nickrud> !ccsm | Stephen-Mason
[06:23] <ubotu> Stephen-Mason: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[06:23] <stanger> it was a burned copy from on-disk.com
[06:23] <stanger> that my buddy got for me
[06:23] <spdf> stanger, You may have some luck installing with the alternate install disc
[06:23] <Stephen-Mason> how do i install compisconfig-settings-manager?
[06:24] <nickrud> stanger: or try some of the options listed on the F6 screen
[06:24] <stanger> yeah i'm tempted to just burn my own
[06:24] <stanger> k
[06:24] <stanger> i'll try one more time then burn my own
[06:24] <th0r> astro76 I used to participate quite a bit here, but have cut back to almost nothing because of attitudes such as kahrytan.
[06:24] <kahrytan> astro76➲  I was trying to tell nickrud  the problem and he kept trying to give me advise. He wasnt being helpful at all
[06:24] <fritsy4> Stephen-Mason, you open a terminal and run "sudo apt get install compizconfig-settings-manager"
[06:24] <spdf> stanger, are you connected with dvi or vga cable?
[06:24] <stanger> dvi
[06:24] <stanger> no vga outputs
[06:24] <stanger> 680i mobo
[06:25] <spdf> stanger, Hmm.. I've heard of issues when using dvi with reading the edid information and such
[06:25] <stanger> hmm
[06:25] <spdf> stanger, the solution bein to switch over to vga.. but thats not going to work for you
[06:25] <stanger> ha yeah
[06:25] <nickrud> spdf: that shouldn't matter with the disk check, should it?  Typical of anyone trying to get something working.
[06:26] <spdf> stanger, different monitor though, right?
[06:26] <stanger> ummm most likely
[06:26] <th0r> kahrytan nope...you mistreat a volunteer and you know what you get?
[06:26] <BernieSan> no one knows?
[06:26] <kahrytan> th0r➲  who?
[06:27] <DanaG> How do you change the UUID of an HFS+ volume?
[06:27] <Stephen-Mason> got dced
[06:27] <nickrud> th0r: astro76 kahrytan has helped quite a few people here, give him a break
[06:27] <Stephen-Mason> are you still there?
[06:27] <Stephen-Mason> how do i install that thing?
[06:27] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:27] <th0r> nickrud being frustrated is no excuse for bad manners
[06:27] <Stephen-Mason> life saver :D
[06:28] <BernieSan> what about memory stick?!
[06:28] <astro76> nickrud: I have as you see ;) and yes please lets not do this again
[06:28] <DanaG> I love all those
[06:28] <bod_> i dont like argueing ;)
[06:28] <BernieSan> 為什麼沒人幫我
[06:28] <kahrytan> nickrud➲ i did help people here.
[06:28] <Stephen-Mason> anyone got a eee pc?
[06:28] <nickrud> !cn | BernieSan
[06:28] <ubotu> BernieSan: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[06:29] <bod_> lol
[06:29] <astro76> kahrytan: gnupg is quite complicated and takes awhile to master, have you tried using a gui like SEahorse?
[06:29] <BernieSan> 久駄さい
[06:29] <nickrud> kahrytan: yes, and I do understand your frustration. I was sharing mine, and it didn't help yours at all
[06:29] <kahrytan> astro76➲ i tried kgpg
[06:29] <astro76> kahrytan: I have no experience with that one
[06:30] <kahrytan> astro76➲  but it has nothing to do with making a key. I made one. It's gnupgp issue
[06:30] <astro76> kahrytan: you are positive you added yourself as a recipient when you encrypted it?
[06:30] <astro76> kahrytan: yes we know, he was just giving sage advice on key management
[06:30] <kahrytan> astro76➲ yes.
[06:30] <kahrytan> astro76➲  It says Public key not available.
[06:31] <kahrytan> astro76➲  Now it says Secrey Key Now Available
[06:31] <astro76> when?
[06:32] <kahrytan> astro76➲  just now
[06:32] <astro76> I mean when you do what?
[06:33] <kahrytan> astro76➲ push send button on thunderbird
[06:33] <astro76> sorry I have no experience with thunderbird or kgpg
[06:33] <astro76> nothing is ringing a bell
[06:34] <un0p> kahrytan, try launching thunderbird using ssh-agent  ..  ssh-agent thunderbird  , add your key to the agent and then try again
[06:34] <methods> where can i learn about how ubuntu is put together
[06:34] <bod_> kahrytan, you cannot use encryption in thunderbird with a recipient who does not have a digital certificate (if i understand it properly)
[06:35] <kahrytan> bod_➲ pgp has nothing to do with that
[06:35] <bod_> kahrytan, kk,.,. my bad
[06:35] <kahrytan> un0p➲  is an extention that communicates with gnupgp
[06:35] <nickrud> methods: what parts in particular? you should look at !fhs and !apt to start, anyway
[06:36] <methods> i know how to use apt
[06:36] <kahrytan> gnupgp is responding back with public key or secret key not found
[06:36] <methods> and i know what fhs is
[06:36] <nickrud> methods: not use, but how it works
[06:36] <methods> i know how it works
[06:36] <methods> i'm talking about ubuntu specific stuff
[06:36] <bod_> methods, such as?
[06:37] <astro76> methods: have you *read* the filesystem heirarchy standard, it really does explain how it is "put together"
[06:37] <astro76> methods: it's pretty standard linux
[06:37] <methods> technical details... the boot system... how initram is diff... that type of stuff
[06:37] <ToddEDM> hey guys, i got a external drive, but when i plug it into the laptop, it says cannot mount this volme ... can someone help me ???
[06:37] <kahrytan> astro76➲  any ideas?
[06:37] <methods> i mean you guys do something really weird with the initram dont you ?
[06:37] <astro76> methods: wiki.ubuntu.com, help.ubuntu.com/community, google.com
[06:38] <nickrud> methods: the boot system is essentially system 5 , even though upstart is in the works. the initram is standard linux
[06:38] <bod_> methods,  try googling on linux google ,.,.,.www.google.com/linux
[06:38] <methods> i thought upstart was already in gutsy ?
[06:38] <astro76> it is
[06:38] <l3ttuc3> nickrud just about got fed up. opera 9.50b1 works with the last version of flash player put out by adobe, like you said. i'm sticking with that for now.
[06:39] <kahrytan> astro76➲  any ideas?
[06:39] <astro76> methods: but mostly everything is still using the init scripts
[06:39] <methods> yea but i use to have weird issues with drivers on my old laptop... and someone told me that the drivers were only dedicated during initram... which is really odd if you ask me
[06:39] <astro76> kahrytan: none
[06:39] <Stephen-Mason> how do you make it so you like cascade your windows like osx when you press f9?
[06:39] <methods> hm does upstart use another layout for the scripts ?
[06:39] <shishio> pretty stupid noob question: anyone know whats the functoin of x-server?
[06:39] <astro76> methods: it's rule based
[06:40] <methods> Stephen-Mason: scale plugin in compiz i think is what you want
[06:40] <oklopol> what would you suggest for a 6502 emulator?
[06:40] <astro76> shishio: graphical display
[06:40] <nickrud> methods: yes, but it's still using sysv run scripts. Probably will continue, just some mods to scipts to facilitate parallel starting. I don't think ubuntu does parallel stuff yet
[06:40] <methods> hm thats really weird
[06:40] <methods> i mean the new desktop linux's are changing so much
[06:40] <Stephen-Mason> and how do you have 4 desktop instead of 2?
[06:40] <methods> i run ps and have like 50 processes
[06:40] <shishio> astro78: lol ok, how do i disable it... i was planning to install my nvidia driver and it prompts me to disable it
[06:40] <methods> on slackware i have like 8
[06:40] <nickrud> methods: you can start with /etc/event.d to see how inittab is replaced, but still calling run levels
[06:41] <bod_> Stephen-Mason, desktop,. cube,.,. and general settings plugin
[06:41] <methods> Stephen-Mason:  right click on the pager and change it
[06:41] <astro76> shishio: switch to virtual console (ctrl+alt+F1), log in, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[06:41] <kahrytan> astro76➲  give up on me?
[06:41] <methods> idk i would just like a technical break down of the guts of gutsy... im sure iwth ubuntu's docs this should exist
[06:41] <astro76> kahrytan: I said I have no experience with thunderbird or kgpg
[06:42] <shishio> astra76, if i do that all my currenly running programs will be gone?
[06:42] <Lilacor> sometimes I am prevented from typing anything in terminals... like my keyboard is frozen or broken but it's not.. how do I fix this?
[06:42] <kahrytan> astro76➲ it's gnupgp issue though
[06:42] <methods> dude i had jeos installed and now ubuntu-server wont let me setup a lvm during install
[06:42] <astro76> shishio: yeah it will kill the x session, you might want to save data and log out first
[06:42] <nickrud> methods: you can look at the specs and roadmaps on wiki.ubuntu.com, when I'm bored at work or need some lite reading I spend a little time there
[06:42] <DanaG> Couldn't display "obex://[00:1/".
[06:42] <astro76> kahrytan: ? it's specific to thunderbird finding your key apparently
[06:42] <DanaG> Nautilus cannot handle obex: locations.
[06:42] <methods> jeos kinda pisses me off like why do i care about vmware? i was so happy with the idea of a ubuntu-server but trimme down to 150mb ... then i install it and it doens't have my nic driver and i read that its customized for vmware...
[06:42] <DanaG> gaack, wrong channel.
[06:43] <shishio> astro76 ok thanks
[06:44] <fatedkiss> un0p, mind lending me some help?
[06:44] <methods> i would think it's only the kernel that is customized for vmware right?
[06:45] <bod_> fatedkiss, if i can help,. i will,.,. wots ur problem?
[06:45] <shishio> astro76, how do i go out from vitual mode?
[06:45] <methods> maybe i should leave jeos installed but just modify the kernel
[06:45] <astro76> shishio: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start
[06:45] <methods> no server mongers in here?
[06:46] <kahrytan> astro76➲  It is a gnupgp issue. ssh agent doesnt work
[06:46] <shishio> astro76 ty
[06:46] <kahrytan> astro76➲  I made a key in just gnupgp and i got the same issue.
[06:46] <astro76> kahrytan: please don't argue with me on what I can and can't help with
[06:46] <kahrytan> astro76➲  can you help with gnupgp?
[06:46] <fatedkiss> no idea what this is asking me. sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/gutsy/etc/apt/sources.list #point apt-get to the right release
[06:47] <zed_> hello, i have installed the 64bit version and i still can't get more then 2Gb of ram to show up .. anything i am missing ?
[06:47] <bod_> fatedkiss, looks like its trying to upgrade to gutsy
[06:47] <Kernel> hello all. im using a dell laptop and it uses bcmxxx driver for the wireless nic...it worked ok for a while..but just recently its been acting funny...i constanyl have time outs and it runs VERY VERY slow..im talking 15-20 kb/s for LAN speed....
[06:48] <nickrud> fatedkiss: that for a debootstrap ?
[06:48] <MFen> what's that other channel? ubuntu-next?
[06:48] <fatedkiss> un0p, yeah
[06:48] <MFen> #ubuntu-future?
[06:48] <astro76> MFen: #ubuntu+1
[06:48] <methods> wtf is that
[06:48] <MFen> right
[06:48] <fatedkiss> nickrud, yea*
[06:48] <MFen> thanks
[06:48] <bod_> !language | methods
[06:48] <ubotu> methods: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:48] <bod_> methods, we all no what that means
[06:49] <methods> wow i cant even use an acronym
[06:49] <fatedkiss> un0p, would i even need that command if the chroot is on a gutsey dist?
[06:49] <methods> this room is really way to touchy
[06:49] <bod_> methods, hey, i could told off for censoring a bad word, so its only fair u cant use acronyms,.,.lol
[06:49] <astro76> there are children in here methods
[06:49] <harry> sorry to disturb, just checking to see if I finnaly have irc working
[06:49] <bod_> yes u do
[06:49] <harry> k bye
[06:49] <bod_> bye
[06:49] <bod_> lol
[06:50] <bod_> tritium, omg im turning into u,.,.lol,.,.joke
[06:51] <nickrud> bod_: there are worse fates than being responsible ;)
[06:51] <methods> is there a quieter ubuntu room ?
[06:51] <djzn> hi i am using the LiveCD and making tests with alsa options on my sound card, for this I have to remove the module, but it doesn't want to be removed (the module and releated sound modules) how do I do it?
[06:51] <methods> for like non mass population
[06:51] <bod_> nickrud, true,.,.like being doomed to stay at ur mums house for the rest of ur life
[06:52] <fatedkiss> methods, theres an IRC with no mass population?
[06:52] <bod_> methods, #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:52] <methods> i'm not looking for offtopic
[06:52] <travisat> methods: #ubuntu-nobody-here
[06:52] <astro76> methods: is it for ubuntu support?
[06:52] <Sonderblade> why doesn't firefox on ubuntu cache the last visited few pages?
[06:53] <bod_> !channels | methods
[06:53] <ubotu> methods: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:53] <Sonderblade> it does that on windows
[06:53] <methods> just a room where it's not so crowded and people are more tech oriented
[06:53] <fatedkiss> Sonderblade, <.< does on mine
[06:53] <bod_> Sonderblade, does for me
[06:53] <Stephen-Mason> how do you install flash player ive downloaded it?
[06:53] <methods> we should start a new room
[06:53] <heartsblood> every time I run apt I get this error at the end "sh: /usr/sbin/update-dpsyco: not found"  how do I get rid of it?
[06:53] <astro76> methods: dunno, if it's ubuntu support requests then this channel, anything else #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:53] <bod_> Sonderblade, check firefox settings,. make sure its not deleting ur history too early
[06:53] <astro76> methods: there's also #linux
[06:53] <kbrosnan> Sonderblade: pages that set nocache, are not cached. have you checked to see if that is set for the page in question
[06:53] <knocterna1> I second that methods!
[06:54] <fatedkiss> methods, #ubuntu-nonecomein?
[06:54] <methods> dude this room is constantly flooded with such newb stuff that you cant even get a response ... during the day time its rediculous
[06:54] <bod_> methods,  that is not acceptable
[06:54] <methods> you cant get a word in how is that acceptable ?
[06:54] <djzn> how do i reloada module
[06:54] <bod_> !coc | methods
[06:54] <ubotu> methods: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:54] <methods> remove and reload it
[06:54] <methods> oh i'm breaking some coc by talking about starting a new room lol
[06:55] <MrHank> I need some advice.
[06:55] <fatedkiss> methods, it was actually the comment after
[06:55] <bod_> methods,  just because people may be new to linux does not mean they dont have the right to ask questions
[06:55] <MrHank> I'm currently a windows user.
[06:55] <nickrud> djzn:  sudo modprobe -r <module> && sudo modprobe <module>
[06:55] <fatedkiss> methods, thus why it was typed after the comment it was for
[06:55] <MrHank> I want to try out Linux.
[06:55] <Sonderblade> kbrosnan: it is a nocache page, but i'm almost sure firefox on windows caches it
[06:55] <nickrud> !welcome | MrHank
[06:55] <ubotu> MrHank: Welcome to #ubuntu - the Ubuntu support channel.
[06:55] <MrHank> Thank you Nick.
[06:55] <kbrosnan> Sonderblade: negative
[06:55] <astro76> methods: did you not get some answers earlier?
[06:55] <rullie> MrHank, you want to try out linux or try out ubuntu
[06:55] <fatedkiss> !pwned
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pwned - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <MrHank> I want to try out Linux, but I'm not highly technical.
[06:56] <mouseboyx> Where are the rules?
[06:56] <methods> bod_:  yes they can very well ask away but i would like an 'extra' room for more veterans... those who wish to sit here and be mr support can do so at their own desire
[06:56] <rullie> MrHank, you've probably hit the right distro then
[06:56] <bod_> MrHank, you dont have to be,.,. thats wot were here for
[06:56] <rullie> MrHank, assuming you're looking into ubuntu
[06:56] <MrHank> I've heard you can boot Linux from a USB drive, but then doing some more reading I became very confused.
[06:56] <nickrud> MrHank: then you will find ubuntu easy to start with
[06:56] <bullgard4> Why does hald run on one of my Ubuntu 7.10 laptop computers but not on the other although both computers work all right?
[06:56] <bod_> methods, so you would like to discriminate against new users
[06:56] <MrHank> To be honest, I've done so much reading about the different distrobutions my mind is a blur.
[06:56] <Stephen-Mason> how do you install flash player
[06:56] <nickrud> !offtopic | bod
[06:56] <ubotu> bod: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:56] <Stephen-Mason> ?
[06:57] <MrHank> I would like to ask one specific question.
[06:57] <nickrud> bod_: if they let you in ;P
[06:57] <bod_> methods,  then we would have no "veterens" answering there questions
[06:57] <methods> bod_:  is #kubuntu discriminating against regular ubuntu users ?
[06:57] <bod_> nickrud,  i cant go to offtopic,.,. im banned
[06:57] <nickrud> !brokenflash (look for the blue text on the forum page)
[06:57] <Stephen-Mason> flash player? anyone?
[06:57] <nickrud> !brokenflash | Stephen-Mason (look for the blue text on the forum page)
[06:57] <mouseboyx> Stephen-Mason, what file did you download?
[06:57] <MrHank> Is there any distribution of Linux (especially Ubuntu) that will allow me to download a distribution to a USB flash thumb drive, turn off my computer, and then boot up into Linux?
[06:57] <Pyro> LMAO
[06:58] <djzn> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[06:58] <mulder> does a dist-upgrade convert a system to the stock install settings?
[06:58] <ubotu> Stephen-Mason (look for the blue text on the forum page): The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[06:58] <fatedkiss> methods, bod_ if you make it soemwhere to debate let me know i enjoy debates
[06:58] <MrHank> I do NOT know how to do coding and programming.
[06:58] <bod_> methods,  people learn from talking to those more experienced then themselves,. if u cannot talk to someone more experienced u will not learn,. then we will have a generation of uneducated users
[06:58] <astro76> MrHank: the Ubuntu desktop cd that you can download will boot into a functional ubuntu system without touching your system
[06:58] <nickrud> MrHank: then setting up a usb stick to boot from would be kind of difficult as a first step
[06:58] <methods> bod_:  nobody can talk during the day!!!! stop arguing wiht me
[06:58] <Stephen-Mason> install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:58] <mouseboyx> Did you extract it.
[06:58] <fatedkiss> unop, still on?
[06:59] <bod_> methods, i find it no easier/harder to talk during the day then any other time,.
[06:59] <MrHank> Well, I want to use a USB stick for two reasons: First, because it will be temproary. Secondly, I will be able to read and write to the stick.
[06:59] <Stephen-Mason> yep
[06:59] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: you should use the package on the link I gave you, it will work better with your system
[06:59] <MrHank> Is there a way to download linux onto a USB stick and simply boot up from it?
[06:59] <mouseboyx> ok just run the file
[06:59] <astro76> MrHank: you don't have a cd drive?
[06:59] <Stephen-Mason> which link?
[06:59] <MrHank> I have a CD drive, but I'm concerned about the read and write speeds to the drive.
[06:59] <methods> i would just like a quieter place where you can get a word in
[06:59] <paul928> MrHank: how big is your flash drive?
[07:00] <bod_> MrHank, i no u can have a "live cd" on a usb,.,. i dont think u can install on it
[07:00] <MrHank> I want to buy a fast flash drive soon.
[07:00] <nickrud> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 Stephen-Mason
[07:00] <astro76> MrHank: if you are just trying it who cares, it works well enough
[07:00] <bod_> methods,  then start ur own "veterans" room
[07:00] <Dr_willis> There are some sites that discuss/detail installing ubuntu onto a usb flash drive.
[07:00] <fatedkiss> methods, arent you getting a word in now?
[07:00] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: and you should probably switch to xchat for irc, any line with your nick in it will be red, easier to find
[07:00] <MrHank> Well, I want to see how decent it performs. I'm afraid that it would not perform well on the CD.
[07:00] <mouseboyx> ./install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[07:00] <MrHank> I just want to use it some of the time and if I decide I like it install it on my PC permanently.
[07:01] <Stephen-Mason> is this for firefox aswell?
[07:01] <astro76> MrHank: it performs fast or faster than windows if that's what you are comparing against, you should be more concerned about hardware compatibility
[07:01] <bod_> MrHank, yes u cn do that
[07:01] <mouseboyx> yes, run it in a terminal.
[07:01] <fatedkiss> anyone know anything about debootstrap or chroot?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> MrHank,  may be a lot easier to just use a live cd and save files to the usb gizmo
[07:01] <nickrud> Stephen-Mason: yes, either mouseboyx 's method or mine will work in firefox
[07:01] <mulder> is there any plans to amend the checksum for gutsy (flash problem)?
[07:01] <tritium> fatedkiss: there are good wiki pages on both.  Check them out!
[07:02] <methods> not really "veterans" just not 5 billion general users
[07:02] <Dr_willis> fatedkiss, depends on what you are trying to do also. :)
[07:02] <stanger> anyone know anyways to run the live disk through DVI?
[07:02] <fatedkiss> tritium, well im trying to follow this html on installing them and i get them in its just im having problems with some errors
[07:02] <tritium> methods: we don't discriminate here on any basis, including experience
[07:02] <bod_> methods, this room has 1128 people in it,.,. only about 10 active,. i fail to see wot ur problem is
[07:02] <Dr_willis> stanger,  Huh? the live cd works with my video cards with DVI out.
[07:02] <mulder> launchpad thread is long
[07:03] <bod_> tritium,  sorry for my ot,.but im a noob, and dont like discriminations
[07:03] <tritium> bod_: you're not offtopic
[07:03] <Stephen-Mason> it says i need to be logged in anyway you could send me the file?
[07:03] <bod_> tritium,  ok cool,.,. just checking
[07:03] <stanger> Dr_willis you had no problems with it?
[07:03] <Carolet> bod_, it's not your prasek.
[07:04] <bod_> Carolet, prasek? what does that mean?
[07:04] <Dr_willis> stanger,  Nope. None at all.. If you have a video card with 2 video outs. Ive seen where some times it defaults to the other output.
[07:04] <Carolet> prase kill
[07:04] <bod_> Carolet, ok,.,. i dont understand wot ur saying,.,.lol
[07:04]  * Carolet duzz
[07:05]  * bod_ bod is confused
[07:05] <Casey> How would I update my BIOS if its an exe?
[07:05] <methods> ok this is exciting my install froze at 83% percent while writing initram
[07:05] <bod_> Casey,  make a bootable floopy disk then boot from it
[07:05] <southernguy5> I'm back.
[07:05] <bod_> hi
[07:05] <southernguy5> My cat knocked over my router.
[07:05] <southernguy5> This is Mr Hank
[07:05] <Casey> bod_: No floppy disk
[07:05] <bod_> lol
[07:05] <Carolet> bod_, you need to reboot for the means
[07:06] <southernguy5> Ok
[07:06] <southernguy5> Hi
[07:06] <bod_> Carolet, i dont understand anything u say my friend
[07:06] <southernguy5> It won't let me change back to MrHank
[07:06] <southernguy5> Anyway.
[07:06] <bod_> Casey, make a bootable cd with 1 exe on it (overkill) lol
[07:06] <southernguy5> Do any of you know of a Linux Distribution that I can download to a USB and boot off of with little or no extra coding or work?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> of course - is it a windows exe or a dos exe.. :)
[07:07] <paul928> southernguy5:http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
[07:07] <bod_> southernguy5, all distro's to my knowledge do that
[07:07] <bod_> Dr_willis, they r different?
[07:07] <southernguy5> bod, I've done some reading about booting Linux from USB drives and it sound complicated to me.
[07:07] <Carolet> bod_, properly I get no saying for a wit.
[07:07] <Casey> bod_: Can I use my USB stick?
[07:07] <Dr_willis> bod_,  run a windows  app under dos.. see what happens.. :)
[07:07] <southernguy5> I'll check out damnsmalllinux
[07:07] <Askato> im currently booting ubuntu from usb its not that hard
[07:07] <Askato> but limited space
[07:08] <bod_> southernguy5,  it is extremely well documented,. u shouldnt have a problem, with the wiki's and irc ur all good
[07:08] <southernguy5> However, I am more interested in Ubuntu
[07:08] <fatedkiss> tritium, i wouldnt normally ask if i can google it, unop was helping me but sorta vanished
[07:08] <tritium> southernguy5: it's possible to do the same with ubuntu
[07:08] <bod_> Casey, possibly,. check ur bios for external bootable media
[07:08] <bod_> Does anyone understand wot Carolet is saying to me?
[07:08] <southernguy5> tritium - So all I would need to do is download the file to my USB stick, reboot my computer, and go into Linux?
[07:08] <southernguy5> I do NOT want to do anything complicated.
[07:09] <tritium> !install | southernguy5
[07:09] <mouseboyx> What is the directroy that it installes it to (flash)?
[07:09] <ubotu> southernguy5: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[07:09] <tritium> southernguy5: see that first URL.  There are links on that page for USB installation options.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> southernguy5,  stick with live  cd's then :)
[07:09] <Askato> does anyone know if it is possible to install apps to a drive other than the one ubuntu is installed on?
[07:09] <southernguy5> Let me go on that page and see what it says.
[07:09] <mouseboyx> Im building a fixed deb file for flash nonfree
[07:09] <southernguy5> I'll be back in a bit
[07:09] <tritium> southernguy5: if it's too complicated, try Damn Small Linux, or a LiveCD
[07:09] <bod_> mouseboyx, its already been done,.,. lemme find the thread
[07:10] <mouseboyx> Oh. greatlol why isn't in the repos?
[07:10] <Carolet> bod_, found u active,why not only a bit active?
[07:10] <rullie> Askato, mount /usr/bin on some other drive
[07:10] <Dr_willis> Askato,   Proberly not very easially.   You could always mount /usr or other dirs on the other hd.
[07:10] <bod_> mouseboyx, its not official yet,.,. :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[07:10] <nickrud> !brokenflash | mouseboyx there's one on this page, see blue text
[07:10] <ubotu> mouseboyx there's one on this page, see blue text: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[07:10] <mouseboyx> That is stupid.
[07:10] <bod_> Carolet,  who r u, why r u talking to me about things i dont understand,. and OMG!!!
[07:11] <Dr_willis> mouseboyx,  there been a 'fixed
[07:11] <nickrud> mouseboyx: last I heard, konqueror can't use the new flash (the one in ubuntu, anyway) that's what's holding up the fixed release
[07:11] <Dr_willis> mouseboyx,  there been a 'fixed'deb at the 2nd web url the !flash factoid gives
[07:11] <zoe> I have Ubuntu restricted extras installed, but totem still can't play a dvd. any suggestions?
[07:11]  * Dr_willis seconds what nickrud  says
[07:11] <Askato> If i mounted /usr to another drive wouldn't that just make a ghost of it on the other drive. problem im having is space..
[07:11] <bod_> thats the same 1 i gave him Dr_willis
[07:11] <mouseboyx> Man i try to help but im to late lol.
[07:11] <bod_> lol
[07:11] <Carolet> bod_, I saw what you said then want to give a stub.
[07:11] <bod_> sorry
[07:12] <tritium> !dvd | zoe
[07:12] <ubotu> zoe: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:12] <bod_> Carolet, what did i say? and wot is a stub?
[07:12] <fatedkiss> can anyone tell me what this does, sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/gutsy/etc/apt/sources.list #point apt-get to the right release
[07:12] <tritium> zoe: get libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repos
[07:12] <nickrud> zoe: you need the libdvdcss2 from that medibuntu page
[07:12] <zoe> thank you :)
[07:12] <spdf> zoe, I've never had any luck with Totem (as you'll see on that URL), mlpayer does a good job though
[07:13] <tritium> fatedkiss: replaces occurrences of dapper with breezy in your pbuilder (or whatever chroot you're using) sources.list file
[07:13] <Dr_willis> fatedkiss,  changes the word dapper to breezy in every line in that file./ or is it the other way... :)
[07:13] <spdf> zoe, xine is nice as well
[07:13]  * Carolet zezz, this guy is only in a fire not in a wit
[07:13] <zoe> spdf, I usually use VLC, but it's not doing it either
[07:13] <nickrud> fatedkiss: which is a crazy thing to do, why would you want breezy?
[07:13] <bod_> Carolet, i dont understand u
[07:13] <fatedkiss> un0p, awsome then i have no idea why it wants me to use it on a gutsy distro
[07:13] <tritium> Carolet: can you please stop bothering bod_ ?
[07:14] <fatedkiss> nickrud, i dunno..unop was like here follow this...and i am..and its not going well
[07:14] <bod_> ty
[07:14] <Carolet> tritium, OK
[07:14] <fatedkiss> ./gives up
[07:14] <nickrud> fatedkiss: that's a pretty old page then. replace breezy in that with gutsy
[07:14] <mouseboyx> What is tritium?
[07:14] <pappy> I just installed gutsy on this MacBook and the wired ethernet broke after upgrading to the newer linux-image package available in gutsy-backports or somesuch other repository (perhaps gutsy-proposed?)
[07:14] <bod_> its a person
[07:14] <pappy> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 22)
[07:14] <pappy> That's what lspci says my ethernet card is
[07:14] <tritium> mouseboyx: an isotope of Hydrogen
[07:14] <Carolet> heard his bothering is very plain.
[07:15] <pappy> Does this card break in the newest linux-image gutsy package?
[07:15] <mouseboyx> Oh. yeah and deuterium.
[07:15] <nickrud> Carolet: are you a bot?
[07:15] <pappy> The one installed from the 7.10 gutsy i386-bin dekstop install CD works with the MacBook Marvell wired ethernet card
[07:15] <fatedkiss> nickrud, well i spode i could but i dont see what it would even really accomplish <.< im on gusty
[07:16] <nickrud> fatedkiss: the only thing I see you doing there is doing a debootstrap install
[07:16] <Carolet> nickrud, hehe, we are in order to drive.
[07:16] <fatedkiss> nickrud, right thats what im doing..i think..it seems more complicated then that
[07:16] <nemilar> Anyone know if Flyback is going to be included in 8.04?
[07:17]  * Dr_willis wonders why  use a debootstrap install
[07:18] <bod_> guys,. just for future reference ,.,. how will i upgrade to hardy?
[07:18] <fatedkiss> Dr_willis, i mentiond 64 bit flash..and going back to 32 bit then i was presented with debootstrap
[07:18] <fatedkiss> Dr_willis, and chroot
[07:18] <astro76> !upgrade | bod_
[07:18] <ubotu> bod_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:18] <bod_> astro76, thankin you my friend
[07:18] <mouseboyx> Chea, flash is basically the only reason i dont use 64 bit.
[07:18] <Dr_willis> fatedkiss,  to acomplish what? You trying to Install a 32bit system on a 64 bit setup? Why not just reinstall from a cd. :)
[07:19] <southernguy5> This is crazy.
[07:19] <southernguy5> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[07:19] <fatedkiss> Dr_willis, at this point i dont know..unop was like follow these intructions youll be fine...its easier
[07:19]  * nickrud has nicely working flash in 32bit firefox in 64bit
[07:19] <southernguy5> It seems very complicated to run an installation of Linux from a flash drive.
[07:19] <bod_> mouseboyx, there are fix's and workarounds for all flash problems in 64
[07:19] <fatedkiss> Dr_willis, ...its really not
[07:19] <Dr_willis> fatedkiss,  easier then just reinstalling.. :) doubtfull
[07:19] <mouseboyx> I know, but dont you use a 32 bit browser?
[07:19] <fatedkiss> nickrud, thats all i want..flash
[07:19] <astro76> southernguy5: several have tried to tell you that
[07:20] <southernguy5> Ok.
[07:20] <bod_> mouseboyx, no i think im usng 64
[07:20] <southernguy5> So it's complicated to use a flashdrive.
[07:20] <Askato> not really
[07:20] <southernguy5> What about this Live CD
[07:20] <nickrud> mouseboyx: yes. But that flash link earlier? it has a way to install flash in 64bit browser
[07:20] <southernguy5> Is there a LIVE CD for the most current version of UBUNTU?
[07:20] <mouseboyx> 64Bit browser 64bitflash?
[07:20] <Askato> live Cd is much slower that usb and you can make changes to usb its nice
[07:20] <Dr_willis> southernguy5,  ubuntu on a flash drive - is not really a high priority of ubuntu
[07:20] <astro76> southernguy5: of course, ti's the same cd as the desktop install cd
[07:20] <southernguy5> Now, let me ask a question.
[07:20]  * bod_ has flash working nicely 64 in 64 browser
[07:20] <nickrud> mouseboyx: 64bit firefox with 32bit flash and nspluginwrapper
[07:21] <Dr_willis> The live cd for ubuntu is primary to 'test drive' the disrto and use as a rescue tool.
[07:21] <fatedkiss> nickrud, ive been around forums for like 6 hrs straight installing different packages for flash
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Theres better done live cd's to use as a 'work live cd' system
[07:21] <fatedkiss> nickrud, ive yet to have a fully finctional flash
[07:21] <mouseboyx> Ah cool...
[07:21] <bod_> fatedkiss, uve not ben to the right ones then,.,.lol here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[07:21] <nickrud> !brokenflash | fatedkiss see blue text in this page, have you done that?
[07:21] <ubotu> fatedkiss see blue text in this page, have you done that?: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[07:21] <Askato> I tried sudo mount --bind /usr/ "media/Local Disk/ubuntu-usr" but all that seems to have done is mirror /usr/ onto my drive
[07:21] <southernguy5> What happens if I save a file while using the Live CD? Will the file go to the CD?
[07:21] <Askato> i think that are saved in memory
[07:22] <southernguy5> RAM or the HDD?
[07:22] <Askato> files cannot be written to a cd on the fly
[07:22] <southernguy5> Then what happens to the file? Is it saved to the computers HDD?
[07:22] <astro76> southernguy5: unless you mount a floppy or usb drive or something and save it there
[07:22] <Dr_willis> Askato,  ive seen some live cd disrtos that can do that however. :)
[07:22] <mouseboyx> flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu0.7.10_amd64.deb
[07:22] <Askato> hmm
[07:22] <fatedkiss> nickrud, bod_, i do appreciate the help..i have been on that forum thou infact its bookmarked
[07:22] <nickrud> southernguy5: you can set that up, yes. But again, the livecd is meant to be a test bed and recovery disk, not an even medium term solution
[07:22] <mouseboyx> Does that work on 64 bit? bod_
[07:23] <bod_> fatedkiss, with a fresh firefox install it works like a charm
[07:23] <bod_> mouseboyx, yes!
[07:23] <southernguy5> Basically, I want a totally risk free way to try out Ubuntu. I don't have the money to buy a new computer if this one is screwed up.
[07:23] <Dr_willis> I tend to just  wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_i386.deb  && sudo dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_i386.deb
[07:23] <mouseboyx> Cool! Ill, reformat later...
[07:23] <fatedkiss> bod_, im pretty sure i did reinstall firefox
[07:23] <bod_> southernguy5, u have more chance of breaking ur comp with windows then linux
[07:23]  * nickrud adds that link to his autoreplace
[07:23] <Dr_willis> southernguy5,  get a live  cd and play with it. is the easy way. Or use vmware/virtualbox and  install it inside there.
[07:23] <bod_> fatedkiss, i can walk u through now if u want
[07:24] <fatedkiss> bod_, i feel like a pain >.>
[07:24] <Askato> How do i unmount a bind?..
[07:24] <bod_> fatedkiss, volunteer--> = me
[07:24] <un0p> fatedkiss, still having problems eh/
[07:24] <Dr_willis> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/  has some tips/tools for making a usb ubuntu stick
[07:24] <un0p> ?
[07:24] <southernguy5> So as soon as I take the CD out of my computer and reboot I will go directly back to windows without anything changed or deleted?
[07:24] <Askato> yes
[07:24] <Dr_willis> southernguy5,  correct
[07:24] <southernguy5> Ok.
[07:24] <southernguy5> By the way, I appreciate all of the help and advice.
[07:24] <southernguy5> I really, really do.
[07:24] <fatedkiss> bod_, i would appreciate it
[07:24] <bod_> no probs
[07:25] <bod_> fated,.,. ok lets go,.,. remove firefox and all flash and gncflash plugind
[07:25] <dru> hello, what program do i use to burn avi files to dvd ... k3b doesnt work and i cant find no other program .. only one that coverts avi to iso and that takes 4 hours!!!
[07:25] <fatedkiss> bod_, should i remove it via synaptic or term?
[07:25] <bod_> fatedkiss,  personal preference
[07:25] <southernguy5> Now, let me ask another question. Lets say I decide to use Ubuntu. I've read some scary stuff about Ubuntu not supporting various media formats, not having flash to watch Youtube videos, etc.
[07:26] <Askato> nevermind on dismount of bind i figured it out
[07:26] <Dr_willis> dru,  you mean 'convert avi vide4o to dvd video format?'
[07:26] <bullgard4> Why does the gnome-system-monitor take so much CPU time (~ 10%)?
[07:26] <dru> no to dvd
[07:26] <nickrud> southernguy5: linux won't play drm protected media, true
[07:26] <bod_> southernguy5, loadsa fix's u shouldnt have a prob,.,. hardware support is ur main enemy
[07:26] <dru> on windows i had xilisoft dvd creator. but now on linux i have nothing
[07:26] <Dr_willis> dru,  you can burn avi and other files to a data dvd disk  easially enough..
[07:26] <southernguy5> What do you mean it won't play drm protected media.
[07:26] <Dr_willis> dru,  exactly you want to MAKE a video dvd...
[07:26] <fatedkiss> bod_, i have so many diff flash and java's installed >.> ill let ya know when im done
[07:26] <southernguy5> Please realize I'm very, very new at this...
[07:26] <bod_> fatedkiss, ok
[07:27] <un0p> fatedkiss, i'm here now incase you're stuck somewhere
[07:27] <dru> haha .. thats a waste of a dvd ... i want to play it on a dvd
[07:27] <southernguy5> I know that's digital rights management.
[07:27] <bod_> southernguy5, we understand,.,. were here to help
[07:27] <southernguy5> Thanks so much Bod.
[07:27] <southernguy5> I appreciate all of the help.
[07:27] <southernguy5> All of you are amazingly helpful.
[07:27] <bod_> no prbs
[07:27] <Dr_willis> theres several tools to make dvd video disks under linux. but some can be a bit complex.
[07:27] <southernguy5> Now, what does this drm restriction mean to a user?
[07:27] <Dr_willis> theres one called devded or somthing like that.
[07:27]  * bod_ thinks were better then microsoft premium rate help line
[07:27] <fatedkiss> un0p, bod_ , i need some serious caffine and pills
[07:27] <diego> hello
[07:27] <nickrud> southernguy5: you can't play music bought on itunes, for example
[07:28] <spdf> bod_, if only because we're free :)
[07:28] <Dr_willis> !info  devede
[07:28] <ubotu> devede (source: devede): program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[07:28] <bod_> fatedkiss,  im drinkin coffee and i have caffeine supplementing pills,.,.lol
[07:28] <fatedkiss> bod_,  \o/
[07:28] <southernguy5> Does it have any other ramifications?
[07:28] <mouseboyx> bod_, So if i just install that deb, then it will work in 64 bit?
[07:28] <bod_> spdf, yer,.,. but id pay these guys for there help
[07:28] <tyler2435> bod_: <3
[07:28] <tyler2435> i do that alot
[07:28] <bod_> mouseboyx, yep!
[07:28] <diego> ji
[07:28] <diego> hi
[07:28] <tyler2435> i tend to have at least 200mg of caffeine in me at anytime
[07:28] <tyler2435> :P
[07:28] <mouseboyx> oklopol, thanks.
[07:28] <nickrud> southernguy5: any media that the owners make you pay for a key to unlock it, you probably won't be able to play it
[07:28] <tyler2435> thing is... you get used to it
[07:28] <patogen> tyler2435: Caffeine addict?
[07:29] <tyler2435> yeh
[07:29] <bod_> tyler2435, i cant live without my coffee and fags
[07:29] <southernguy5> Alright, now someone mentioned hardware.
[07:29] <patogen> tyler2435: Me too
[07:29] <tyler2435> hell yeah
[07:29] <tyler2435> \o/ ;p
[07:29] <patogen> tyler2435: When I was the most "junkie" I did 800mg in pills every morning
[07:29]  * nickrud looks at his coffee cup, and it's nearly midnight
[07:29] <tyler2435> haha
[07:29] <bod_> southernguy5,  wireless cards and soundcards are your main prblems
[07:29] <tyler2435> thats sick
[07:29] <patogen> then I had two cups of coffee at work
[07:29] <southernguy5> I have a fairly new laptop that's only a few years old. It's an HP with a Pentium 2.8 processor, a weak graphics cards, etc.
[07:29] <tyler2435> 400 is a decent dose
[07:29] <southernguy5> That's an issue.
[07:29] <patogen> No it's not.
[07:29] <tyler2435> :P
[07:29] <patogen> ;)
[07:29] <tyler2435> it's not?
[07:29] <southernguy5> I must be able to connect to the internet.
[07:29] <patogen> Haha
[07:29] <bod_> southern,.,. tell us wot cards u have
[07:29] <nickrud> southernguy5: older stuff has better support
[07:29] <tyler2435> well
[07:29] <tyler2435> for someone that never does it
[07:29] <tyler2435> it is
[07:29] <tyler2435> for me ... its fairly normal
[07:30] <tyler2435> like i said i have at least 200
[07:30] <nickrud> southernguy5: you'll be able to find out with the live cd
[07:30] <patogen> Yeah, I remember when I never did caffeine (didn't drink coke or anything)
[07:30] <patogen> I had 900mg
[07:30] <bod_> !ot | tyler2435      sorry
[07:30] <ubotu> tyler2435      sorry: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:30] <FastZ> i have a problem with gdm starting guys.  I've had it before and to fix it last time I had to do a clean install.  this time however, I have access to the xorg.conf file from the system.  what is the pastebin URL?  ok here's the problem.  I booted from a live cd of the FlightGear game and then quit the game and rebooted into Ubuntu Gutsy, while attempting to boot into GDM, the screen flickers on and off several times then th
[07:30] <FastZ> e monitor goes into power save mode.  from a virtual terminal, I try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start and again, the screen flickers a time or two then the monitor goes into power save mode
[07:30] <patogen> to study
[07:30] <nickrud> !offtopic | caffeine
[07:30] <ubotu> caffeine: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:30] <patogen> and my heart was racing like crazy
[07:30] <southernguy5> Well, I have a HP Pavilion desk top.
[07:30] <southernguy5> I don't think there is anything too exotic in it.
[07:30] <southernguy5> It's a couple years old.
[07:30] <tyler2435> lol patogen
[07:30] <southernguy5> Do you think everything should be supported?
[07:30] <bod_> southernguy5, if everything works while ur using the live cd then ul be fine
[07:30] <southernguy5> I mean laptop
[07:30] <southernguy5> sorry
[07:30] <southernguy5> Hmmm....
[07:30] <nickrud> southernguy5: a very good chance of it. What wireless chip does it use?
[07:31] <fatedkiss> bod_, shall i remove gcj?
[07:31] <patogen> tyler2435: My friend was even dumber, I think we were like twelve or so ... he didn't feel the effects ... so he started to take more and more
[07:31] <bod_> fatedkiss,  yes
[07:31] <southernguy5> Let me look
[07:31] <nickrud> fatedkiss: no
[07:31] <bod_> fatedkiss, no
[07:31] <patogen> tyler2435: Until he had eaten 1700mg, he weighed like 40kg at that time :P
[07:31] <bod_> nickrud,  i trust u more then me,.,. why no to remove it?
[07:31] <tyler2435> patogen: lmfao
[07:31] <tyler2435> we should probably stay on topic >:P
[07:31] <bod_> lol yer
[07:31] <patogen> tyler2435: Haha, this is much more fun ;)
[07:31] <tyler2435> i actually almost installed ubuntu on this laptop earlier heh
[07:32] <nickrud> bod_: some stuff depends on it, and it's easy to trick firefox
[07:32] <tyler2435> gentoo wasnt wanting to work
[07:32] <FastZ> did anyone happen to see my question?  if nobody can help in here, could someone point me in a good direction to find some help?
[07:32] <patogen> tyler2435: Anyway ... I was the one who stopped him ... he wanted more pills :P
[07:32] <tyler2435> kernel modules were loaded but for whatever reason what i was trying to do wasnt working
[07:32] <bod_> nickrud,  is gcj the firfox fake flash thingy?
[07:32] <tyler2435> patogen: good
[07:32] <southernguy5> Broadcom Network adaptor
[07:32] <southernguy5> Is that my wireless?
[07:32] <nickrud> bod_: no, it's the open source java
[07:32] <patogen> tyler2435: Later he came BEGINNING to join our class while he had a long break :D
[07:32] <nickrud> bod_: gnash is the fake flash (like the 'fake' :)
[07:32] <southernguy5> 802.11b/g
[07:32] <bod_> nickrud,  ah,.ok,.,. groovy,.,. cheers Mr walkin talkin ubuntu know-it-all,.,.lol
[07:32] <tyler2435> heh
[07:33] <bod_> nickruf gnash was the one i was thinkin of yer,.,.
[07:33] <southernguy5> Is that what you were asking for?
[07:33] <nickrud> southernguy5: yes, it has decent support
[07:33] <southernguy5> So it would support my network adaptor?
[07:33] <bod_> yer
[07:33] <nickrud> southernguy5: yes
[07:33] <southernguy5> Cool....
[07:33] <southernguy5> Anything else I should check on?
[07:33] <bod_> sound card
[07:33] <southernguy5> Ok...
[07:33] <fatedkiss> bod_, what about the java runtime libary: libgcj-common?
[07:33] <nickrud> southernguy5: video chip also
[07:33] <bod_> fatedkiss,  no
[07:33] <southernguy5> Let me go look......
[07:34] <nickrud> fatedkiss: leave java alone, you don't need to mess with that
[07:34] <bod_> fatedkiss,  just flash for firefox and gnash
[07:34] <Alita> hi
[07:34] <bod_> hi
[07:35] <Alita> what are u doing?
[07:35] <nemilar> sup G
[07:35] <dru> bod: wine works with mostly every program right?
[07:35] <bod_> dru, between wine and cedega ,.,. yes
[07:36] <fatedkiss> bod_, so none of the java plugins?
[07:36] <Carolet> actually gcj works very well
[07:36] <bod_> dru, extremely modern and very old not fully supported yet
[07:36] <nickrud> he's alive!
[07:36] <dru> bod: ok thank you, because i bought xilisoft dvd creator and was wondering if it worked for it
[07:36] <bod_> fatedkiss,  java is not flash so no
[07:36] <bod_> dru, never heard of it,. and u can probably get it for free from a torrent site,. but yer it might work
[07:36] <Alita> bod: i cant sharing internet with 2 computers. p help me
[07:37] <dru> bod: lol torrents take forever .. good ole rapidshare is fine
[07:37]  * bod_ thinks, why is everyone talking to him,.,.llol
[07:37] <Askato> so explain this one lol... how is my /usr directory larger than the total space avalible on the drive its on
[07:37] <bod_> Alita, whats the exact prob
[07:37] <Alita> connect
[07:37] <Alita> cross cable
[07:37] <dru> bod: if you could help me fix another problem, i could give you something for helping
[07:38] <bod_> Alita, im afraid i dont fully understand ur question
[07:38] <bod_> dru,  ok
[07:38] <fatedkiss> bod_, i belive i should be doen then
[07:38] <bod_> dru, chocolate?
[07:38] <bod_> fatedkiss, ok cool
[07:38] <bod_> fatedkiss,  now install firefox,.,. not the beta one
[07:38] <dru> bod: my sound card stopped working, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53608/ ... theres my pastebin
[07:38] <dru> bod: crossover
[07:38] <Alita> i cant speak en
[07:38] <Alita> bod:please help me
[07:39] <fatedkiss> bod_, <.< i should probably uninstall mine then you prob told me to and i forgot
[07:39] <bod_> fatedkiss,  yer,.,.lol
[07:39] <bod_> Alita, im not very good with internet probs,.,. ask about,,.,. maybe someone can help
[07:39] <un0p> bod_, i hope you're aware that he needs to install the 32bit firefox on 64bit ubuntu ...
[07:40] <jpv> anyone know a way to tell bash: delete everything except files with '*.tar.*' and '*.patch' ?
[07:40] <bod_> un0p, no im not,. but i have installed the only firefox in my repos and it works fine
[07:40] <southernguy5> ATI RADEON X600
[07:40] <Dr_willis> jpv,  use of the find command  will proberly be needed.
[07:40] <southernguy5> Would it support my graphics card?
[07:41] <pvl1> im having serious opengl problems
[07:41] <astro76> southernguy5: it works well enough for 3d (google earth works fine) but it is not supported for compiz (3d desktop)
[07:41] <jpv> Dr_willis, thanks, will look into it
[07:41] <southernguy5> What do you mean astro...
[07:41] <astro76> southernguy5: and 3d games work too
[07:41] <southernguy5> Please realize I'm a noob.
[07:41] <bod_> it doesnt support high end graphics southernguy5
[07:41] <Alita> please help me about sharing internet in the ubuntu with cross cable
[07:41] <astro76> southernguy5: the new fancy 3d desktop effects
[07:41] <bod_> Alita,  i dont no what a cross cable is
[07:42] <southernguy5> What I'm asking about is if Ubuntu has the driver or ability to make my card function.
[07:42] <fatedkiss> bod_, ok done so now reinstall firefox, should i install the 32bit firefox?
[07:42] <astro76> southernguy5: yes it works fine
[07:42] <bod_> fatedkiss,  appernetly,.yes
[07:42] <southernguy5> Ok.
[07:42] <southernguy5> Let me look up my sound card....
[07:42] <astro76> southernguy5: what is your laptop model?
[07:42] <Alita> network cable
[07:42] <fatedkiss> bod_, >.> sorry
[07:42] <southernguy5> One moment......
[07:42] <bazhang> alta is that a crossover cable
[07:42] <Alita> ethernet cable
[07:42] <pteague> anybody know what's stored in .ICEauthority ?
[07:42] <bod_> Alita,  do u mean u cannot get a ethernet cabale working?
[07:43] <Alita> ok
[07:43] <Alita> ok
[07:43] <bod_> Alita,  ok first of all,. do u have access to ur home network with the cable?
[07:43] <fatedkiss> bod_, will aptitude install firefox work?
[07:43] <southernguy5> HP zd8215US
[07:43] <Askato> Sweet i managed to get a folder on my harddrive to replace /usr butnow i cant do sudo commands.. i get "sudo: must be setuid root"
[07:43] <Alita> yes
[07:43] <astro76> southernguy5: I have the exact same one
[07:43] <bod_> fatedkiss, sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:43] <southernguy5> You do?!
[07:43] <southernguy5> Cool.
[07:43] <southernguy5> The EXACT same one?
[07:43] <un0p> jpv, (repeat)   ls -1 * | grep -vi "\.tar\." | grep -vi "\.patch" | while read f; do rm -v "$f"; done
[07:43] <astro76> southernguy5: everything works wonderfully, including wireless
[07:44] <bod_> Alita, can u browse the internet?
[07:44] <astro76> southernguy5: yes zd8215us
[07:44] <southernguy5> Cool.
[07:44] <southernguy5> What distribution do you use?
[07:44] <fatedkiss> bod_, ok just wanted to know if there was a certain one for 32bit instea do 64
[07:44] <astro76> southernguy5: Ubuntu 7.10 currently
[07:44] <pvl1> if im having problems with my videocard, is the best thing to reinstall ubuntu, if it was working fine before?
[07:44] <southernguy5> How well does Ubuntu run on your computer?
[07:44] <bod_> fatedkiss,  i dunno just go synaptic and search for firefox and install the first one
[07:45] <southernguy5> I currently use XP which is slow and laggy.
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Askato,  Well you may be 'stuck' you need to do sudo chmod +s /whatever/sudo I think... :) but you cant do that.. bnecause its not suid
[07:45] <astro76> southernguy5: it's perfect
[07:45] <un0p> bod_, i dont use 64bit (yet) just want to know - do all the plugins for 64bit firefox work fine? java, flash, acrobat, etc?
[07:45] <southernguy5> Does it run faster than XP?
[07:45] <Alita> what?
[07:45] <Flannel> southernguy5: Yeah
[07:45] <astro76> southernguy5: for some reason, wireless transfer speed is faster
[07:45] <bod_> un0p,  yep,.,. never have a problem,.,. dunno about acrobat though
[07:45] <Alita> bod hey
[07:45] <Alita> hi
[07:45] <southernguy5> cool
[07:45] <astro76> southernguy5: but in general linux is faster than windows
[07:45] <Askato> awesome.. what does the chmod +s.. do?
[07:45] <Dr_willis> ls -l /usr/bin/sudo -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 91776 2007-06-15 08:49 /usr/bin/sudo
[07:45] <southernguy5> Thanks for sharing this information with me!
[07:45] <Alita> hi bod hey
[07:45] <southernguy5> I appreciate it.
[07:45] <bod_> Alita,  can u browse the internet?
[07:45] <dr_pressure> hey... any audio guys in the house? (i'm ripping an audio cd to high quality mp3 -- do i want mpeg I, II, or II.5)
[07:45] <southernguy5> Did you ever upgrade your RAM?
[07:45] <Alita> no
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Askato,  sets the Suid bit.
[07:45] <southernguy5> Or do you use 512MB?
[07:45] <astro76> southernguy5: yeah I have 2 GB
[07:46] <bod_> dr_pressure, neither there video formats
[07:46] <Askato> oh
[07:46] <un0p> dr_pressure, MPEG-II
[07:46] <astro76> southernguy5: so in that respect, Ubuntu will be much better than windows with low ram
[07:46] <southernguy5> What is the max amount of ram that the laptop will support.
[07:46] <PKdoR> I cot no sond!!
[07:46] <astro76> southernguy5: 2 GB
[07:46] <PKdoR> I mean sound
[07:46] <fatedkiss> bod_, isnt the flash problem with 64 bit firefox or just gutsey 64 in general?
[07:46] <southernguy5> Is it hard to install on this computer?
[07:46] <southernguy5> I'm a total noob at hardware stuff.
[07:46] <astro76> southernguy5: not at all
[07:46] <Alita> yoooooooooohoooooooooooo
[07:46] <bod_> fatedkiss,  no its for 64 bit
[07:46] <dr_pressure> un0p, will it make much of a difference?
[07:46] <astro76> southernguy5: there's a seperate door for it on the bottom
[07:47] <un0p> dr_pressure, in relation to what?
[07:47] <dr_pressure> bod_, you sure? those are the options my cd ripper has
[07:47] <bod_> Alita, CAN U BROWSE THE INTERNET???
[07:47] <fatedkiss> bod_, so 64bit gutsy?
[07:47] <Alita> no
[07:47] <Alita> no
[07:47] <Alita> no
[07:47] <southernguy5> On the last computer I had (a very old desktop) it was tricky to get the RAM to go into the slots.
[07:47] <dr_pressure> un0p, i guess i'm asking will it make a difference to the quality
[07:47] <Alita> very defficult???
[07:47] <catstark> hey - can NFS only be mounted on a local network?
[07:47] <bod_> dr_pressure, i no that a mpeg is a video file,.,. but ive never heard of mpeg2,.,. there windows formats,.,. but dont take my advice in too high regard,. im pretty new at this
[07:47] <bod_> fatedkiss,  yes
[07:48] <astro76> southernguy5: here's a cool thing, the toucpad supports multi touch, the default is two finger tap for right click and three finger click for middle click ;)
[07:48] <Askato> hmm ill see if i can umount my harddrive, if that works can i change the suid to work properly?
[07:48] <bod_> Alita, is ur network encrypted?
[07:48] <un0p> dr_pressure, mpeg-II is probably the most widely used among mp3 players
[07:48] <Alita> bod: it is a neccessory to conect to internet?
[07:48] <un0p> dr_pressure, i'd go with that
[07:48] <Alita> waht?
[07:48] <Breakage> anyone know how to get sonata to open .pls streams?
[07:48] <southernguy5> Can we talk in a query for a bit astro?
[07:48] <bod_> un0p,  isnt mpeg a video format?
[07:48] <catstark> I'm trying to mount a NFS share (running on Linux) from Windows but I think Windows can only find NFS shares that are local
[07:48] <fatedkiss> bod_, alright this is the firefox version it installed. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/20071008 Ubuntu/7.10 (gutsy) Firefox/<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:49] <bod_> Alita,  yer internet is a good thing,. and do u have a password set up on ur network?
[07:49] <astro76> southernguy5: /join #astro
[07:49] <Dr_willis> catstark,  i dont think you want to have nfs exposed to the wild and dangerous internet. :)
[07:49] <dr_pressure> bod_ as far as i know "mpg" and "mp3" are both based on mpeg technology --- or something like that
[07:49] <un0p> bod_, what do you think mp3 stands for?
[07:49] <Askato> hmm cant unmount
[07:49] <Askato> is there anyway to manually change the setuid?
[07:50] <catstark> Dr_willis - if I did though, is it possible
[07:50] <bod_> un0p,  ok,. fair point,.,.lol
[07:50] <Dr_willis> Askato,  with the 'sudo chmod +s whatever' command.
[07:50] <un0p> bod_, there are different levels/layers for mpeg -- layer I and II refer to audio
[07:50] <Dr_willis> catstark,  ssh tunnle, is one way perhaps.
[07:50] <Dr_willis> Askato,  but you will need to do it from a livecd most likely
[07:50] <bazhang> 4 is video no?
[07:50] <bod_> fatedkiss,  firefox <IP_ADDRESS>is the one u want
[07:50] <bod_> un0p,  thankyou,.,. i didnt no that
[07:50] <un0p> bazhang, 3 and 4 yes
[07:50] <Askato> ok handy that i allready have one then
[07:50] <dr_pressure> un0p, i'll go with mpeg II... thanks :)
[07:51] <bazhang> un0p: cheers
[07:51] <Carolet> why ff<IP_ADDRESS> not updated?
[07:51] <bod_> Carolet, because u havent updated it
[07:51] <fatedkiss> bod_, ok then installing it through syntax is out of the question. if i install a deb package for it i can overide the install i have now right?
[07:51] <Carolet> bod_, thx
[07:52] <bod_> fatedkiss, i would swear at u right now,.,.lol,.,. just uninstall all forefox stuf and install firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:52] <Carolet> bod_, FF need to modify and mend
[07:52] <fatedkiss> bod_, -.-
[07:52] <Askato> so how would i change the sutuid with a live cd?
[07:52] <bod_> fatedkiss, just install firfox dude,.,.,..,lol,.,..,so funny
[07:52] <bod_> brb leakin
[07:53] <fatedkiss> bod_, im in the process of doing it
[07:53] <un0p> Askato, you need to chroot into the system
[07:53] <un0p> Askato, you might be able to repair sudo from recovery mode
[07:53] <Dr_willis> Askato,  of course there may be other programs that should of been 'suid' that are now not...
[07:53] <un0p> Askato, next time watch what you do on a system :)
[07:53] <Askato> meh its just a flashdrive install of ubuntu
[07:53] <cre8torx> what's a good dvd ripper
[07:53] <cre8torx> ?
[07:54] <Askato> i can redo is neccessary
[07:54] <Dr_willis> !info dvdri
[07:54] <ubotu> Package dvdri does not exist in gutsy
[07:54] <Dr_willis> !info dvdrip
[07:54] <ubotu> dvdrip (source: dvdrip): perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.6-0.0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1086 kB, installed size 2580 kB
[07:54] <bazhang> k3b
[07:54] <un0p> Askato, best if you redid then
[07:54] <cre8torx> !info dvdrip
[07:54] <bod_> fatedkiss,  gdgdgdgdgd
[07:54] <PKdoR> Haow can I use My Optical  Audio output in Ubuntu I get no sound?
[07:54] <Askato> darn, that puts me back at square 1 how do i put my /usr on another drive..
[07:54] <un0p> cre8torx, no repeating - this is a busy channel :)
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Askato,  lets ask this.. HOW did you copy your /usr over to the new hd?
[07:55] <un0p> Askato, use something like rsync
[07:55] <Askato> mount --bind
[07:55] <un0p> :o
[07:55] <Askato> to be exact, ls -l /usr/bin/sudo -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 91776 2007-06-15 08:49 /usr/bin/sudo
[07:55] <Askato> ops
[07:55] <un0p> Askato, you bound a directory onto a usb drive?
[07:55] <Askato>  sudo mount --bind "/media/Local Disk/ubuntu-usr" /usr/
[07:55] <Askato> yes
[07:55] <cre8torx> hey im here to help  and be helped
[07:55] <bod_> thankyou
[07:56] <un0p> Askato, did you know that if you dismounted the usb drive that /usr would no longer be available?
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Askato,    How did you get the stuff from /usr to  /media/Local Disk/ubuntu-usr
[07:56] <un0p> umounted ** rather
[07:56] <cre8torx> ?
[07:56] <Askato> no no, ubuntu is on flash drive i bound a copy of /usr over the /usr on the flashdrive
[07:57] <cre8torx> how big's your flash drive
[07:57] <un0p> Askato, but why tho?
[07:57]  * Dr_willis has totally missed the reason for this usr song and dance
[07:57] <Askato> 1gig, running out of space on flash drive
[07:57] <Askato> wanted to install apps to my harddrive
[07:57] <fatedkiss> bod_, dotn worry about it ill figure it out myself, im just new and trying to figure it out
[07:58] <fatedkiss> bod_, sorry for waiting your time
[07:58] <un0p> Askato, so you deleted the /usr folder on the usb drive and mounted /usr on your system to /usr on the usb drive to get it working?
[07:58] <Askato> i wonder if doing the same thing but without binding /usr/lib would work
[07:58] <bod_> fatedkiss,  im happy to help,.,. have u got firefox?
[07:58] <bod_> fatedkiss,  im here for a while m8,.,. ur not wasting my tim
[07:58] <Dr_willis> Askato,  you could just 'link' the things with ln -s :)
[07:58] <Askato> the old /usr is still there i belive i mounted over top of it
[07:58] <Askato> hmm
[07:59] <Askato> so ln -s will allow /usr to tap into my harddrive space?
[07:59] <Dr_willis> so you really dident save any space then
[07:59] <Dr_willis> You might want to check out the FUSE tools or perhaps that unionfs stuff.
[07:59] <Askato> but if i install something new it wont go onto flashdrive.. i think
[08:00] <un0p> Askato, i see - but /usr on your flash drive is probably very differrent to /usr on your system and you're bound to experience weird things
[08:00] <un0p> like the setuid problem
[08:00] <Askato> i used sudo cp to make the backup it should be exact
[08:00] <un0p> Askato, if you're short of space, install something tiny like dsl/puppy
[08:01] <Dr_willis> Askato,  if you dident copy everything from flash  /usr to the  hd's /usr properly - You may of also messed up a lot of permissions
[08:01] <bod_> fatedkiss, how u doin?
[08:01] <Askato> hmm
[08:02] <cre8torx> losers
[08:02] <grumbel> What is a good way to convert a number of jpgs into a single pdf without recompressing them?
[08:02] <fatedkiss> bod_, trying to figure out how to replace the existing firefox files from the tar pack i installed
[08:02] <Askato> so sudo cp -r might not have copied permission.. but wouldn't it make permissions wide open if it doesn't copy them?
[08:02] <fatedkiss> bod_, figure i just replace the existing file with the one i extracted
[08:03] <bod_> fatedkiss, u should be doing all of the installing/removing of firefox through synaptic
[08:03] <Dr_willis> cp -r will NOT do all the permissions correctly.. thats what i was asking about.. like 10 min ago. :P
[08:03] <Dr_willis> the 'suid' bit is a very very 'security' critical  permission also. :)
[08:03] <fatedkiss> bod_, right and i nomrally would and i did but i didnt get 2.0.11 through synaptic
[08:04] <bod_> fatedkiss, really,.,. do u have medibuntu repo?
[08:04] <un0p> Askato, out of curiosity - what filesytem  is the volume on the usb drive?
[08:04] <Askato> ahh, but you would think that if the suid was open permissions wise it would work fine but i would be vulnerable to somekind of attack
[08:04] <fatedkiss> bod_, i wouldnt be able to tell you
[08:04] <Askato> usb is fat
[08:04] <bod_> fatedkiss,  lol why?
[08:04] <Askato> HD is ntfs
[08:04] <Dr_willis> Askato,  egads... thats not going to work then at all.
[08:05] <fatedkiss> bod_, becaus ei have no idea how to find that out exactly
[08:05] <Askato> no?
[08:05] <un0p> Askato, sheesh - FAT has no understanding of permissions/ownserhip
[08:05] <Dr_willis> Askato,  I know of no way to set the suid or other special permissions on a nfts filesystem
[08:05] <Askato> then if no permissions are copied onto ntfs and there are no permissions on the flash drive to start with there should no be no problems theoretically
[08:05] <bod_> fatedkiss,  in synaptic ,. go settings-->repo's-->third party tab
[08:06] <un0p> Dr_willis, fuse can emulate that on ntfs -- but with fat, i dont think its possible
[08:06] <Dr_willis> Askato,  no... theres no permissions = NO permissions to allow it = all problems..
[08:06] <bod_> lol
[08:06] <Dr_willis> Askato,  im suprised any of your binaries work at all.
[08:06] <Askato> hmm, well i still can manage to run games and apps fine lol
[08:06] <un0p> Askato, wrong, if there are no permissions, then you are bound to experience all types of problems
[08:06] <Askato> oh well
[08:06] <Dr_willis> i imagine every file/directory is set execuatable
[08:06] <bod_> thats not good
[08:07] <fatedkiss> bod_, from what i see there nothing in here that says medibuntu
[08:07] <bod_> fatedkiss, ok hang on
[08:07] <Askato> oh yea... remembered something
[08:07] <Askato> only the boot partition is fat the other one is ext2 come to think of it
[08:07] <un0p> Askato, games and apps will work -- but things like sudo won't
[08:07] <Askato> so /usr is on a ext2 file system
[08:07] <bod_> fatedkiss,  click add repo,.,. add this : http://packages.medibuntu.org/
[08:08] <un0p> Askato, so how is the usb drive partitioned and formatted?
[08:08] <bod_> badly
[08:08] <Askato> partition 1 is ext2 and has stuff like /usr and partition 2 has the livecd boot files with a small modification to make it save settings and that is fat
[08:09] <Askato> i used instructions from pendrivelinux.com
[08:09] <massiveatom> !ntsf
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntsf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <massiveatom> !ntfs
[08:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[08:09] <fatedkiss> bod_, do i add the url or an actual file i download from that page?
[08:09] <Askato> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[08:09] <bod_> fatedkiss,  add that as a repo
[08:10] <Askato> i have access to my ntfs partition
[08:10] <PKdoR> where do I go to configure the audio?
[08:11] <cheaziz> greetings everyone.
[08:11] <bod_> hi
[08:11] <Askato> hello
[08:11] <fatedkiss> bod_, deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ i add that in the line as instructed by synaptic and it wont let me select "add this source"
[08:11] <un0p> Askato, to be honest, this all seems like a unnecessarily complex setup to me -- if you want standard behaviour, maintain a distinction between the filesystems on your main system and those on the usb drive
[08:11] <cheaziz> i am new on ubuntu. i have some questions. anyone willing to assist?
[08:11] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  ask away  - we love to help
[08:12] <bazhang> ask away cheaziz
[08:12] <cheaziz> I am a graphic designer, formerly I used to work on Windows. But after TWO hard disks have been crashed, I HAD to move to Ubuntu Linux.
[08:12] <Askato> ok, then is there anyway to tell ubuntu to install apps to a drive besides the one it is installed on?
[08:12] <bod_> fatedkiss,  ok my fault,.,. trying to remember now
[08:13] <cheaziz> I have installed Skencil (which is the open source equivalent of Illustrator), but it fails to start up.
[08:13] <cheaziz> What did I do wrong?
[08:13] <spdf> cheaziz, try starting it from a terminal to get the error
[08:13] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  how did you install it?
[08:13] <Dr_willis> !info skencil
[08:13] <ubotu> skencil (source: skencil): Interactive vector drawing program for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.17-9ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 960 kB, installed size 4900 kB
[08:13] <cheaziz> I used the Add/Remove utility.
[08:14] <Dr_willis> installing it here.
[08:14] <cheaziz> am not too familiar with the terminal... i trust u can assist
[08:14] <Dr_willis> open up a terminal, type skencil
[08:14] <Dr_willis> :P
[08:14] <spdf> cheaziz, Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[08:14] <fatedkiss> bod_,  think i might of got it
[08:15] <cheaziz> i got the message Segmentation fault (Core dumped)
[08:15] <Dr_willis> skencil
[08:15] <Dr_willis> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:15] <Dr_willis> Heh...
[08:15] <Dr_willis> seems to be an Issue with the program
[08:15] <spdf> cheaziz, Anything before that?
[08:15] <fatedkiss> bod_, i added deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gusty main
[08:15] <cheaziz> no. nothing before that. launching it from the Graphics program list produces nothing.
[08:16] <Dr_willis> i got no messages befor or after -  Its crashing hard time here.
[08:16] <Dr_willis> sounds like a bug report needs to get filed
[08:16] <cheaziz> i read on the Ubuntu forum that it may be an issue with the new and updated version of Python
[08:16] <spdf> I'm seeing something about Python 2.4 works, but not 2.5
[08:16] <mdl-unit> cheaziz: In the meantime, I would also check out inkscape
[08:16] <cheaziz> how, so how do i downgrade to 2.4?
[08:17] <mdl-unit> cheaziz: I've never even heard of skencil.  everyone I've heard of drawing vector graphics has been using inkscape
[08:17] <spdf> cheaziz, I'm also going to agree with inkscape, having not heard of skencil either
[08:17] <PKdoR> wihc sound playback offers the best sound quallity OSS, ELSA or ESD?
[08:17] <cheaziz> While we are on the subject, my external (NTFS) drive refuses to mount.
[08:18] <cheaziz> I was copying files from the nearby PC (WinXP) and when it was shutting down I must have unplugged the USB cable too quicky.
[08:18] <fatedkiss> bod_, i dont knwo if it related but after i placed that repo in..my mplayer that was running an rm radio file stoped working
[08:18] <cheaziz> The mount command with the force option refuses to work.
[08:18] <cheaziz> That is where all my .AI files are located...
[08:20] <cheaziz> !register
[08:20] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[08:20] <voltagex> hi, is there a way to access the complete compiz config instead of the basic options in Gutsy?
[08:20] <bazhang> !ccsm
[08:20] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[08:20] <fatedkiss> can i have two main repos?
[08:21] <voltagex> done, thank you
[08:21] <fatedkiss> !repos
[08:21] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[08:21] <voltagex> fatedkiss: apt-get defaults to the one closest to the top of the sources.list afaik
[08:21] <voltagex> so the first one you enter will be used unless it fails or a package can't be found there.
[08:22] <xsarr> русские то есть?
[08:22] <fatedkiss> voltagex, so what would happen if i set one to partner instead of main?
[08:22] <bazhang> !ru
[08:22] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[08:22] <chacha> hello
[08:22] <chacha> #unbuntu-de
[08:22] <johnficca> Hi are there any open source drivers for my ati mobility radeon x1400?
[08:23] <spdf> cheaziz, you may need to run ntfsfix on the partition
[08:23] <johnficca> that work with aiglx
[08:23] <spdf> cheaziz, its in the ntfsprogs package I believe.
[08:23] <fatedkiss> bod_, *poke*
[08:25] <shishio> hi i have downloaded a NVIDIA linux driver and install it... i got prob... during the installation it says "No matching precompiled kernel interface was found.. anyone got ideas?"
[08:25] <voltagex> fatedkiss: what do you mean?
[08:26] <voltagex> fatedkiss: partner above main or something?
[08:26] <mouseboyx> Thanks so much bod_
[08:26] <mouseboyx> I love 64Bit!
[08:26] <voltagex> shishio: use the restricted drivers manager instead or apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[08:26] <some_dude> hey. mdadm is give me some trouble
[08:26] <Jewsus> How can I make XChat automatically identify my nick on startup?
[08:26] <voltagex> mouseboyx: do you notice a speed difference or something?
[08:27] <mouseboyx> I can't really tell, it seems slightly faster...
[08:27] <mouseboyx> It might just be phycoschematic
[08:27] <shishio> voltagex, i wanna install the 3d support graphics driver
[08:27] <voltagex> Jewsus: at the moment all I can point you to is man irssi, there's a config somewhere that allows you to make it automatically enter commands on connect
[08:27] <voltagex> shishio: yes, use the restricted manager
[08:27] <Jewsus> I'm not using irssi
[08:27] <Jewsus> Unless XChat == irssi?
[08:28] <voltagex> Jewsus: sorry, you're using xchat :P I just installed irssi :D
[08:28] <fatedkiss> voltagex, well i noticed the other two repos in there are labeled partner insted of main
[08:28] <Jewsus> k
[08:28] <some_dude> yeap. mdadm is hanging up my sytem
[08:28] <voltagex> Jewsus: I'm going to have to be mean and suggest google.
[08:28] <Jewsus> Alas.
[08:28] <Jewsus> Alright
[08:28] <shishio> voltagex, its not fully supported with 3d accelerated, and dont do mean to me ^_^ pelase
[08:28] <some_dude> when I remove /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf the sytem boots, otherwise it just hangs
[08:29] <voltagex> fatedkiss: well as long as all your other repos are ok and able to download, there shouldn't be any problem, other than extra time downloading lists
[08:29] <bazhang> cheaziz: please no PM--share in the main channel thanks
[08:29] <voltagex> shishio: what card?
[08:29] <shishio> voltagex, geforce fx5500
[08:29] <cheaziz> bazhang - i only need help, so far i am not getting anywhere. maybe u can assist?
[08:30] <shishio> voltagex, i got heavy lags at platying games at wine
[08:30] <voltagex> fatedkiss: although by default there will be one entry for deb and one for sources
[08:30] <voltagex> shishio: afaik a legacy driver is provided, one second
[08:30] <bazhang> cheaziz: you have ntfs-3g installed?
[08:30] <shishio> voltagex, ty ur gonna be my hero. ive been this prob for over weeks now
[08:30] <voltagex> shishio: that will happen even with a correct driver - have you tried a native linux game? (try Nexuiz)
[08:31] <fatedkiss> trying to add medibuntu as a repo, but i just read somewhere  theres a list they appear on and its commented out
[08:31] <cheaziz> bazhang - what is that? i am an absolute beginner.
[08:31] <bazhang> !info ntfs-3g | cheaziz
[08:31] <ubotu> cheaziz: ntfs-3g (source: ntfs-3g): read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[08:31] <voltagex> shishio: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[08:31] <cheaziz> ok, how do i install it?
[08:31] <bazhang> install that cheaziz
[08:31] <fatedkiss> wonder where bod dissipated to
[08:31] <shishio> voltagex, lol, idk, but some native games here are ok.. does nexuiz need 3d graphics?
[08:31] <voltagex> shishio: from memory the FX5500 is an old card correct?
[08:32] <shishio> voltagex, yes
[08:32] <bazhang> cheaziz: using synaptic or the terminal
[08:32] <cheaziz> can u give me the terminal command, please?
[08:32] <voltagex> shishio: try installing that legacy driver... but you may not see an improvement - the FX5500 and the whole FX series are old, and thus not very powerful.
[08:32] <shishio> voltagex, error:"Package nvidia-glx-legacy is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:32] <shishio> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:32] <shishio> is only available from another source
[08:32] <shishio> E: Package nvidia-glx-legacy has no installation candidate
[08:32] <shishio> "
[08:32] <FloodBot3> shishio: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:32] <shishio> sry
[08:32] <voltagex> shishio: what game were you trying to use?
[08:33] <Kernel> hello all. are blue ray drives supported in linux?....ie can i watch and or burn blue ray disks?
[08:33] <voltagex> shishio: make sure all your repositories are enabled
[08:33] <Kernel> !bluray
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <shishio> voltagex, silkroad online :D
[08:33] <Kernel> !blu-ray
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blu-ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <fatedkiss> voltagex,  trying to add medibuntu as a repo, but i just read somewhere  theres a list they appear on and its commented out
[08:33] <bazhang> cheaziz: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[08:33] <voltagex> shishio: under Administration > Software Sources make sure restricted is enabled
[08:33] <shishio> voltagex, how?
[08:33] <massiveatom> how can i burn .ccd files on ubuntu?
[08:34] <voltagex> fatedkiss: you should just be able to add that using nano on the command line is my favorite method
[08:34] <massiveatom> is there an alternate program to ccd2iso for converting them to iso?
[08:34] <voltagex> shishio: go into System > Administraton > Software Sources and tick the box :)
[08:34] <okaasan> Is there anything like usenet explorer for linucks?
[08:34] <fatedkiss> voltagex, im pretty new still how would i do that?
[08:35] <voltagex> fatedkiss: ok, just like shishio you can use the GUI in Administration > Software Sources
[08:35] <some_dude> any idea why fdisk would show /dev/sdb2 but swapon can't find it ?
[08:35] <massiveatom> !usenet
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usenet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <some_dude> and mount can't find /dev/sdb1
[08:36] <voltagex> some_dude: not formatted as swap? That problem happened to me.
[08:36] <cheaziz> i got the following error messages
[08:36] <some_dude> it was working, and i ram mdadm and now sdb1 and sdb2 are gone
[08:36] <shishio> voltagex, what tab is restricted can be found? i cant find it at sftware sources
[08:36] <some_dude> but fdisk sees them
[08:36] <massiveatom> is there an alternate program to ccd2iso for converting them to iso?
[08:36] <bazhang> cheaziz: have you installed anything previously?
[08:37] <cheaziz> i cant seem to copy the messages from the terminal
[08:37] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i went to the third party tab. hit add, enterd: deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy main. then hit add source
[08:37] <cheaziz> i have installed a few things on my Ubuntu build
[08:37] <bazhang> massiveatom: as ccd is closed source likely no
[08:37] <mcunixjr> right click, copy...then right click and paste
[08:37] <voltagex> shishio: look for "Proprietry drivers for devices (restricted)"
[08:37] <bazhang> cheaziz: go into synaptic
[08:37] <cheaziz> synaptic showed that ntfs-3g was installed, but ntfs-config was not... so i installed that
[08:37] <shishio> voltagex, done,, then what?
[08:37] <cheaziz> what next?
[08:38] <bazhang> add the first four repos cheaziz
[08:38] <voltagex> fatedkiss AND shishio you both need to update your package lists - in System > Administration > Synaptic
[08:38] <shishio> ok
[08:39] <cheaziz> can you show me how? sorry, but i really am a baby in this... i learn fast though... :-)
[08:39] <shishio> voltagex, updating... =)
[08:39] <Atomic_UE> i'm trying to setup scim as the default IM. I've followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Chinese , but scim seems to not be the default IM. If i right-click on a textbox and select scim as the im it works perfectly fine, but otherwise I can't trigger it to turn on. Anyone got any ideas? locale: en_AU
[08:39] <voltagex> wow, I'm going 100 miles an hour tonight.
[08:39] <bazhang> cheaziz: there should be some menus; do see them?
[08:39] <timandtom_> How do I make a folder shared across the network, so anyone can add/edit/delete files? Ubuntu 7.10
[08:39] <cheaziz> yes
[08:40] <bazhang> do you see inside one of the menus is a word repositories?
[08:40] <voltagex> timandtom_: you should be able to right click the folder and click Share
[08:40] <fatedkiss> voltagex, im thinking bout giving up on flash, ive been working at this for 3 days and tonite both people that were helping me eventually just stoped responding
[08:40] <Creed> Is there any way to set priority on running programs on Ubuntu? Like with Windows?
[08:40] <cheaziz> the main Ubuntu menus are Applications Places and System
[08:40] <cheaziz> where do i go?
[08:40] <bazhang> Creed: no need that is handled by the kernel
[08:40] <voltagex> fatedkiss: I won't stop responding for at least 3 hours :D
[08:40] <mcunixjr> System
[08:41] <voltagex> fatedkiss: hang on, isn't flash just in the Multiverse repo?
[08:41] <bazhang> cheaziz: you are in synaptic yes?
[08:41] <cheaziz> of course there that Ubuntu icon at the top left corner....
[08:41] <Creed> bazhang, but there are some programs that take cpu power away from something I need to run with highest priority.
[08:41] <mcunixjr> System -> Administration
[08:41] <timandtom_> voltagex: Well I feel stupid >.> I was used to going to properties on WinXP, so I didn't even notice that button...
[08:41] <cheaziz> let me get there
[08:41] <fatedkiss> voltagex, thats not what i was trying to add a repo for
[08:41] <bazhang> Creed: gentoo ;]
[08:41] <cheaziz> i am there now
[08:41] <voltagex> fatedkiss: well, I can help you with both, you just need to describe your problem. :D
[08:42] <cheaziz> i opened the repository menu
[08:42] <voltagex> shishio: how'd you go?
[08:42] <Creed> bazhang, yuck! lol Already have Ubuntu server setup with everything and its running beautifully, no way Im switching to anything aside from Debian.
[08:42] <bazhang> cheaziz: look in the menus in synaptic for repositories
[08:42] <frankzhao> hi?
[08:42] <shishio> voltagex, still updating
[08:42] <frankzhao> wiki
[08:42] <mcunixjr> System -> Administration -> Synaptics Package Manager
[08:42] <frankzhao> ?
[08:42] <frankzhao> help
[08:42] <fatedkiss> voltagex, to make it short flash isnt working because i have a 64 bit ubuntu distro
[08:42] <frankzhao> hindi
[08:42] <cheaziz> yes, i have opened the repositories dialog
[08:42] <travisat_> woohoo tf2 works great in ubuntu
[08:42] <bazhang> Creed: just kidding--you should read up on that as I really have no clue-- #ubuntu-server might help as well
[08:42] <mcunixjr> Click RELOAD
[08:43] <voltagex> fatedkiss: ah, from what I can remember there is a workaround.
[08:43] <timandtom_> voltagex: Awesome, all done :D Thanks.
[08:43] <mcunixjr> that will refresh
[08:43] <bazhang> cheaziz: click the first four
[08:43] <mcunixjr> but you need to add repositiroes right?
[08:43] <Creed> frankzhao, whatcha need help with? (I can understand hindi so you can write in that if you wish).
[08:43] <fatedkiss> voltagex, right there is
[08:43] <voltagex> fatedkiss: at the moment you're going to have to google, because I have no bandwidth to spare!
[08:43] <fatedkiss> voltagex, but apprently i need firfox 2.0.11 and that didnt install with synaptic
[08:43] <bazhang> !hn
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <fatedkiss> voltagex, so i needed a new repo from medibuntu
[08:44] <cheaziz> it reads Ubuntu Software, Third-Party Software, Updates, Authentication and Statistics
[08:44] <voltagex> fatedkiss: iirc you just run a 32 bit version of firefox to use flash.
[08:44] <cheaziz> the download option is Main Server
[08:44] <shishio> voltagex, done, finished updating
[08:44] <bazhang> cheaziz: the first four not the tabs
[08:44] <voltagex> fatedkiss: in fact, in your situation I'd just run a 32 bit browser full stop, I can't think of any advantage to running a 64 bit browser.
[08:45] <voltagex> fatedkiss: what do you mean, couldn't synaptic find the 32bit firefox?
[08:45] <cheaziz> u mean the ones downloadable from the Internet?
[08:45] <fatedkiss> voltagex, well ive been told but it comes down to no one can help me do so
[08:45] <peabody> Well, I wrote a text replacement program short of like texter and textpander...
[08:45] <peabody> so far so good.
[08:45] <fatedkiss> voltagex, becaus ei have litteraly been searching forums for about 3 days
[08:45] <peabody> but I have  race conditions, and that bugs me.
[08:45] <bazhang> yes cheaziz check the first four repositories main universe, etc, etc
[08:45] <voltagex> fatedkiss: I will help you as much as I can. Where did you get stuck?
[08:46] <dehspehl> peabody: text replacement program? like sed?
[08:46] <fatedkiss> voltagex, synaptic is only installing a 64 bit 2.0.6 installation of the browser named firefox
[08:46] <fatedkiss> voltagex, really im stuck in 3 diff places
[08:46] <voltagex> fatedkiss: that sounds like you need a 32 bit repository
[08:46] <peabody> dehspehl: Nah, kind of like abbreviations in vim, but for the entire desktop
[08:47] <fatedkiss> voltagex, is there not a simpler way?
[08:47] <voltagex> fatedkiss: can you PM me the name of the repository you're using?
[08:47] <Gunirus> afk
[08:47] <peabody> dehspehl: the windows folks seem to call these things text replacement programs
[08:47] <cheaziz> sorry, i accidentally disconnected myself
[08:47] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i mean can i not just download it from mozilla site?
[08:47] <cheaziz> lol
[08:47] <dehspehl> peabody: ahh.. how exactly would that work?
[08:47] <peabody> say I type afk
[08:47] <peabody> and hit a non-word character
[08:47] <cheaziz> ok, they are being downloaded now
[08:47] <peabody> I could have it backspace and type out 'away from keyboard'
[08:47] <voltagex> fatedkiss: techically you could but it's much better to use a package and let Ubuntu manage it.
[08:48] <bazhang> cheaziz: after enabling those close the repo window and in synaptic hit the reload key
[08:48] <dehspehl> peabody: yeah, but does it like read every key that X receives and replace it 'live'?
[08:48] <peabody> dehspehl: yes
[08:48] <cheaziz> bazhang: i have done that. process complete. what next?
[08:48] <voltagex> peabody: ouch, expensive.
[08:49] <peabody> voltagex: cpu usage is practically zero
[08:49] <dehspehl> there's no other way, really...
[08:49] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i just feel this could of been fixed if (and no offence meant) that bod- or unOp would of just told me they had to go instead of dissapearing
[08:49] <bazhang> cheaziz: now search for the package you wanted-- forget what it was
[08:49] <cheaziz> ntfs-3g?
[08:49] <bazhang> right
[08:49] <peabody> But actually, it doesn't read it from x11, it reads it from /dev/input/*
[08:49] <voltagex> fatedkiss: it really really sounds like you need to add a 32 bit repo and tell Synaptic or APT to use the 32 bit one.
[08:49] <bazhang> search for ntfs cheaziz
[08:49] <dehspehl> ahh so not limited to X even...
[08:49] <peabody> and that's my problem, it's not perfectly synced with x11
[08:49] <voltagex> fatedkiss: no use crying over spilt milk. This really isn't a complex problem. It's common and there are known workarounds.
[08:50] <cheaziz> there were several options already installed, with the exception of 1
[08:50] <cheaziz> i have added that one too
[08:50] <peabody> dehspehl: well, sorta not limited, but...I  use xtest to send events, so response is limited to x11
[08:50] <un_op> fatedkiss, I dunno why you are having problems -- whats up now?
[08:50] <cheaziz> process complete
[08:50] <ozzy> hi
[08:50] <bazhang> now apply changes cheaziz
[08:50] <cheaziz> done that as well
[08:50] <fatedkiss> un_op, flash
[08:51] <un_op> fatedkiss, pm me
[08:51] <peabody> basically, a demonstration of the program is available here: http://peabody.weeman.org/autokey.html
[08:51] <bazhang> voltagex: and not even a thank you (nice work though)
[08:51] <dehspehl> peabody: could you somehow have an alternate device for when your program has "finished" with expanding, that can be used?
[08:51] <voltagex> bazhang: ?
[08:52] <un_op> voltagex, i didnt ask you to pm me :) because he's been at it for 2 days now
[08:52] <peabody> dehspehl: alternate device??
[08:52] <fatedkiss> ill just try the repo
[08:52] <bazhang> saying nice work voltagex
[08:52] <dehspehl> peabody: like create your own device node
[08:52] <peabody> dehspehl: You mean something other than xtest?
[08:52] <voltagex> un_op: well if you're versed in this workaround then go for it. I can't understand what the problem is
[08:52] <fatedkiss> un_op, 3 really
[08:53] <un_op> voltagex, it's just getting a chroot up, is all
[08:53] <reakta1> HI! Where does ubuntu read its configuration from when xorg.conf AND failsafe are missing please?
[08:53] <un_op> fatedkiss, ok, 3 then -- pm me
[08:53] <voltagex> un_op: sudo :P
[08:53] <un_op> voltagex, sudo?
[08:53] <dehspehl> peabody: no, like /dev/input/expanded and have X use that
[08:53] <voltagex> un_op: I hate chroots :D
[08:53] <peabody> dehspehl: well, I don't know... can yousend input to /dev/input?  I mean, I can only make device nodes the kernel supports without having to make my own kernel patch (which is beyond my realm of expertise)
[08:53] <un_op> reakta1, it autoconfigures itself
[08:54] <fatedkiss> un_op, i was advised all i need to do is install a 32bit flash or 32bit firfox instead of going through chroot wich is honestly not making sence
[08:54] <mcunixjr> anyone tried seahorse?
[08:54] <peabody> dehspehl: I wouldn't know how to get X to use that, but that's not the issue really.  The problem is not relying on X for reading the input.  Basically, my program seems to read input a little faster than X does!
[08:54] <bazhang> cheaziz: you get it installed?
[08:54] <peabody> dehspehl: so the problem is, I drive these expansions by sending backspaces to wipe out the abbreviation.
[08:54] <un_op> fatedkiss, it doesnt make sense to me either - afaik, you need a chroot to get 32bit apps running within a 64bit system
[08:55] <voltagex> fatedkiss: yes, that's what I think too, but un_op may know better
[08:55] <bazhang> not sure if you need to log out /log in again for the changes to work--no ntfs drives here ;]
[08:55] <un_op> fatedkiss, how well did it go with the chroot?
[08:55] <peabody> dehspehl: If all KeyPress events haven't made theiI way to the window, I end up backspacing things I'm not supposed to, etc, etc.
[08:55] <dehspehl> peabody: ahh
[08:55] <cheaziz> bazhang: why does the command  'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5/media/DATA DRIVE -o force' resuse to work?
[08:55] <cheaziz> i am logged in as root
[08:55] <reakta1> un_op: is there a way to PARTLY configure xorg.conf? Apropos I'd like to configure my mouse manually but let ubuntu load up my graphics etc.
[08:55] <fatedkiss> un_op, the instructions work but there parts in it that make no sence. like where and how to install the linux32 without removing necessery files
[08:56] <bazhang> cheaziz: why root?
[08:56] <Dr_willis> Well  - a space in the name of the mountpoint will require you to quote or escape the space.
[08:56] <voltagex> fatedkiss, un_op: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1174435
[08:56] <Dr_willis> I suggest use DataDrive
[08:56] <peabody> dehspehl: I pretty much put in a delay that works realy really well, but the problem is that the amount of the delay to use would probably vary from system to system.
[08:56] <cheaziz> because when i tried before i got an error saying that it can only be done in root
[08:56] <un_op> reakta1, sure, just create an xorg.conf and put your customisations in
[08:56] <cheaziz> so i logged in as su
[08:56] <bazhang> oy
[08:57] <un_op> fatedkiss, pretty much everything you install is in the chroot - except the first two packages schroot and debootstrap
[08:57] <bazhang> !sudo | cheaziz
[08:57] <ubotu> cheaziz: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[08:57] <peabody> I was kind of hoping I'd receive more response to the program because I wrote it specifically because a lot of people seemed to be bothered by the fact that desktop Linux didn't have any programs like Textpander.
[08:57] <dehspehl> peabody: I did forget you had to delete the abbrev
[08:57] <reakta1> un_op: tried that and my X doesn't want to load then... it logs errors about not finding screens and devices... any workarounds?
[08:57] <cheaziz> ok, so what is the command to mount the drive?
[08:57]  * Dr_willis  has never heard of textpander.
[08:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:58] <fatedkiss> un_op, the thing is it doesnt tell you when to change directories or if you have to at all
[08:58] <cheaziz> !sudo
[08:58] <un_op> reakta1, try this command to see if xorg.conf is created -- sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorf
[08:58] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[08:58] <bazhang> cheaziz: did you see what Dr_willis said upthread?
[08:58] <un_op> reakta1, try this command to see if xorg.conf is created -- sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg  (oops)
[08:58] <dehspehl> peabody: do you use events to send all input? I assume there's a way to send to input directly
[08:58] <Dr_willis> 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /media/DATADRIVE' or similer
[08:58] <voltagex> un_op: no offence, but I'd stop ****ing around with chroot and use that script. It looks very good.
[08:58] <peabody> dehspehl: Not that I  know of.  If you know anything that'd be great, but I've been looking :).
[08:58] <cheaziz> that is the command that i use
[08:59] <un_op> fatedkiss, well it does -- about the 3rd command asks you to chroot, and everything from there on happens in the chroot
[08:59] <dehspehl> peabody: which would bypass xtest, but might or might not stop the race condition.. i think
[08:59] <un_op> voltagex, !language - kids and women do come in here
[08:59] <arnath> are there any known problems with the "cook" audio codec?
[08:59] <peabody> dehspehl: The race condition is probably unavoidable because I'm not getting the events from X
[08:59] <peabody> dehspehl: Bad news is, I couldn't find a reliable way to snoop every keystroke in X
[08:59] <voltagex> un_op: that's why I used asterisks, but understood.
[09:00] <peabody> All implementations I found just didn't reliably do what I needed.
[09:00] <dehspehl> peabody: hmm, that was supposed to be an unavoidable problem on multi-user X servers (several users at a time, one big display)
[09:00] <un_op> fatedkiss, if you're out of patience, you could try the link voltagex just posted, it looks promising
[09:00] <glickster> howdy
[09:00] <cheaziz> bazhang: now u see why i was PMing u... lol
[09:00] <fatedkiss> un_op, and when i do that i got those errors i posted earlier
[09:01] <bazhang> dont want root on irc cheaziz
[09:01] <peabody> dehspehl: Well, I've tried the programs I saw, keylogging is something that people don't seem to care about losing bits of input here and there :)
[09:01] <glickster> is it me or does the new compbiz suck compared to the older beryl
[09:01] <un_op> fatedkiss, scrap the chroot project, it's probably not worth it
[09:01] <reakta1> un_op: that will create one indeed but the problem is that my video card seems to be that most ANTI-linux one and doesn't want to configure with the xorg.conf... But I do need that file for my touchpad etc... Are you shure there's a way to have that file only partial?
[09:01] <peabody> all the keylogger implementations I found either didn't work, or didn't capture input events from newly created windows.
[09:01] <Dr_willis> glickster,  its just you.
[09:01] <cheaziz> brb
[09:01] <dehspehl> peabody: generally you just want the ones that are password, etc.. otherwise it's a bad keylogger if it can't get those
[09:01] <glickster> Dr_willis, it doesnt have as many options as beryl had
[09:01] <dehspehl> peabody: http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-linux/2005-08/0055.html
[09:01] <Dr_willis> glickster,  big deal.
[09:01] <voltagex> glickster: in what way? compiz seems to be a lot less buggy.
[09:02] <dehspehl> peabody: don't know if that would help or not
[09:02] <voltagex> glickster: default gutsy install?
[09:02] <Dr_willis> glickster,  beryl is dead. from what i gather.. the code is now merged into compiz-fusion.
[09:02] <Talcite> has anyone heard of the hamiltonian path problem before?
[09:02] <un_op> reakta1, what i would do if i were you is use that command to generate the xorg.conf as much as possible, then edit to make changes to accomodate the video card, touchpad, etc
[09:02] <peabody> dehspehl: I'll take a look, thanks.
[09:02] <Dr_willis> I imagine in a year there will be 10000+ plugins/extras for compiz-fusiion that no one ever uses or needs. :)
[09:02] <glickster> yeah voltagex
[09:03] <peabody> dehspehl: Ahaha!  hey, that's the exact keylogger programm I ended up using for my program!
[09:03] <voltagex> glickster: ah, the extra options are in another package
[09:03] <peabody> It's the defacto example of /dev/input keylogging out there.
[09:03] <un_op> reakta1, that could mean things like the video card arent created initially but you can always add it in later
[09:03] <peabody> I basically altered it to spit out just the keysequences, one per line
[09:04] <peabody> I then read it from a pipe from my python-xlib program.
[09:04] <dehspehl> peabody: so that doesn't help..
[09:04] <voltagex> glickster: compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:04] <dehspehl> peabody: doesn't that program show how to send keys as well?
[09:04] <glickster> voltagex, what package?
[09:04] <voltagex> glickster: so sudo apt-get compizconfig-settings-manager or install it using Synaptic
[09:04] <peabody> dehspehl: nah
[09:04] <glickster> jesus!
[09:04] <glickster> why the hell is it another package!?
[09:04] <glickster> that makes no sense
[09:05] <voltagex> glickster: ^ above, although I'm lagging about 6 seconds behind you.
[09:05] <cheaziz> am back
[09:05] <voltagex> glickster: because not everyone needs the extra options, and they may be confusing for newbies.
[09:05] <peabody> dehspehl: anyway. the real issue is that if I'm not relying on x to report key events to me, I'm not synchronized with X.
[09:06] <peabody> not being synchronized with X means there will always be race conditions.
[09:06] <peabody> The only true way to do this right is to write a kernel module that can intercept all input and alter it.
[09:06] <cheaziz> bazhang: what were u saying about the sudo command?
[09:06] <bazhang> cheaziz: as normal user?
[09:06] <peabody> But I  wanted to see if I could create a solution that wouldn't depend on hacking the kernel.
[09:06] <dehspehl> peabody: i.e. being linux all the way or X all the way
[09:07] <cheaziz> am the new guy here... lol... u show me the ropes
[09:07] <peabody> dehspehl: exactly
[09:07] <dehspehl> peabody: plus, would be easier to port...
[09:07] <cheaziz> assume I KNOW NOTHING about Linux... that way it will be easier
[09:07] <bazhang> cheaziz: best to never use su--lots of risk there
[09:07] <cheaziz> compare to me, you are in college, while i am in kindergarten
[09:07] <glickster> can ubuntu brew beer?
[09:07] <cheaziz> ok... advice taken
[09:07] <Dr_willis> that would be Brewbuntu
[09:07] <cheaziz> how do we do this with sudo?
[09:07] <bazhang> haha Dr_willis
[09:08] <glickster> im thinking of creating a isreali version of ubuntu
[09:08] <peabody> dehspehl: yeah, If I was able to create something that only depended upon X11, it could be used in other circumstances.
[09:08] <glickster> called Jewbuntu
[09:08] <mueslix> hey guys... what's the group sambashare for? is it supposed to be the group for all users who want to connect to a share on my server? or for admin users?
[09:08] <reakta1> un_op: thanks - i'm off to ellaborate..
[09:08] <glickster> if anyone wants to help...
[09:08] <bazhang> glickster: offtopic
[09:08] <massiveatom> glickster: rofl! i love the name
[09:09] <Dr_willis> I dont even have that group mueslix ..
[09:09] <peabody> dehspehl: bad news is, all of my attempts to read keyboard input from x just didn't seem to work well at all, which, like you said, is ironic because security experts have been harping for years that it's just soooo easy to listen to all the keystrokes in x11 without security
[09:09] <bazhang> cheaziz: do the ntfs drives show up now?
[09:09]  * bazhang bets he has permission issues now
[09:09] <glickster> heh
[09:09] <peabody> But I gotta say,
[09:10] <peabody> I sorta wrote this program not because I really needed it...
[09:10] <peabody> but because I thought other people might want to use it...
[09:10] <peabody> And I've received zero input from other people
[09:10] <bazhang> peabody: gpl?
[09:10] <peabody> yeah
[09:10] <peabody> http://peabody.weeman.org/autokey.html
[09:10] <bazhang> well it is night time for most users so wait a bit
[09:11] <cheaziz> bazhang: they show up, but they cannot be mounted
[09:11] <mueslix> Dr_willis: oh i should mention: that's me running hardy
[09:11] <bazhang> cheaziz: any error messages?
[09:11] <cheaziz> yes...
[09:11] <bazhang> !hardy | mueslix
[09:11] <ubotu> mueslix: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[09:12] <bazhang> cheaziz: permission problems?
[09:12] <peabody> bazhang: Well, that's the thing, I announced it on the ubuntu forums, a while ago.  got no feedback at all.
[09:12] <peabody> Kind of a downer considering that if you search for AutoHotKey (the windows equivalent) you get a bunch of messages about how people are looking for replacement programs.
[09:13] <bazhang> peabody: that is probably not the best place--that is mostly new users wanting to get the cube spinning
[09:13] <cheaziz> $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) Failed to mount /dev/sdb5 Operation not supported Mounted is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use.
[09:13] <Dr_willis> Spin that Cube!
[09:13] <bazhang> ruh roh
[09:13] <peabody> bazhang: heh, well the abf yeah.  But I put it under programming talk and other places.
[09:13] <dehspehl> the cube is overrated, but compiz is still a far superior WM
[09:13] <cheaziz> how do i edit the /etc/fstab file?
[09:14] <peabody> The nicest thing about compiz in my opinion is the zoom plugin.
[09:14] <cheaziz> there is the command line to be added
[09:14] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  its a text file. use sudo WHATEVEDITIRYOULIKE /etc/fstab
[09:14] <peabody> With zoom, it's easy to make desktop videos for youtube that people can actually see.
[09:14] <massiveatom> cheaziz: sudo gedit /etc/fstab ?
[09:14] <peabody> That's how I made the video for autokey
[09:14] <cheaziz> /dev/sdb5/media/DATA DRIVE ntfs-3g defaults, force 0 0
[09:14] <voltagex> peabody: yes! I just discovered that. Wonder if it can do anti aliasing
[09:14] <bazhang> peabody: true
[09:14] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  command lines dont go in fstab. 'fstab entries' go in there :)
[09:14] <cheaziz> ok, let me see
[09:15] <cheaziz> drwillis: thanks
[09:15] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  and that line you pasted has several tyos in it.
[09:15] <cheaziz> drwillis: am glad u r watching over me
[09:15] <peabody> voltagex: if you convert the video using mencoder the result is nice and smooth looking
[09:15] <bazhang> tyos haha
[09:15] <cheaziz> drwillis: i am typing it as it was shown here...
[09:15] <bazhang> irony unbound
[09:15] <Dr_willis> its  /dev/DEVICE   /path/to/Mount/To
[09:15] <voltagex> peabody: unfortunately then YouTube makes it look bad then.
[09:15] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  you are missing a space and you need to give the full path to the mountpoint
[09:16] <cheaziz> /dev/sdb5/media/DATA DRIVE ntfs-3g defaults, force 0 0
[09:16] <peabody> voltagex: I don't know, what do you think of this: http://peabody.weeman.org/autokey.html
[09:16] <dehspehl> YouTube videos are very low resolution
[09:16] <Dr_willis> and i doubt if you want to use 'force'
[09:16] <dehspehl> there's a reason they don't even have a download link
[09:16] <cheaziz> can u correct it? i copied from the error message
[09:16] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  if you want it to mount to /media/DRIVE you need to tell it /media/DRIVE
[09:16] <Dr_willis> and the directoru /media/DRIVE MUST exist beforhand.
[09:17] <voltagex> peabody: I don't know, apparently I don't have flash xD
[09:17] <cheaziz> the drive label is DATA DRIVE
[09:17] <cheaziz> WITH  a space
[09:17] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  the drive label means nothing..
[09:17] <cheaziz> could that be the problem?
[09:17] <peabody> voltagex: ah, nm then
[09:17] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  you could name it 'hotvideos'
[09:17] <bazhang> hehe
[09:17] <travisat> peabody: when you type something in does it automatically change it or do you have to press some key to make it work?
[09:17] <Plen0x> So, uh. Changing my default mixer device in "system->sound" didn't make everything use it.
[09:17] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  its /dev/Device /whatever/path/you/want
[09:17] <Plen0x> Only thing I have sound for is skype and pidgin
[09:17] <peabody> travisat: automatic
[09:17] <voltagex> peabody: no, I've just set this machine up, I'll tell you what I think when flash installs.
[09:18] <peabody> travisat: although it doesn't expand until a non-word character is typed
[09:18] <travisat> peabody: ah ok I personally would not want it system wide because I know there are many places where what I write is what I mean to write and having it expand on what I wrote might cause problems
[09:18] <voltagex> erghh. md5sum mismatch for Flash.
[09:18] <peabody> travisat: I hear ya, I'm going to be adding a trigger key that can turn the program off temporarily
[09:19] <dehspehl> cheaziz: /dev/sdb5 /media/mountpoint ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0
[09:19] <Ziroday> !flash | voltagex
[09:19] <ubotu> voltagex: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:19] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[09:19] <peabody> travisat: To be honest, it's not even something I use myself much, I wrote because people apparantly want that...they want something like the textpander and autohotkey programs
[09:19] <dehspehl> still broken?
[09:19] <Plen0x> Aw, everyone is to busy to help me :P
[09:19] <bazhang> yesh
[09:20] <bazhang> !night
[09:20] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[09:20] <travisat> peabody: well yah I can type out what I want usually as fast as the couple of letters for the acronym
[09:20] <voltagex> yes that is how I tried to install Flash
[09:20] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i somehow messed up my mozilla browser
[09:20] <cheaziz> drwillis: i have done that... now what?
[09:20] <voltagex> fatedkiss: do tell!
[09:20] <dehspehl> cheaziz: make sure '/media/mountpoint' has no spaces etc, and is an existing and empty directory
[09:21] <dehspehl> cheaziz: then do 'sudo mount /media/mountpoint'
[09:21] <Dr_willis> or sudo mount -a
[09:21] <fatedkiss> well i installed the 32 bit version but now it doesnt have any of the toolbars or anything
[09:21] <voltagex> fatedkiss: what do you mean by any of the toolbars?
[09:21] <cheaziz> empty directory?
[09:21] <voltagex> fatedkiss: sure they're not just unticked?
[09:21] <dehspehl> I have had a Ubuntu install screw up and forget to setup sudo before
[09:21] <fatedkiss> like i dont have file..bookmarks, etc..
[09:21] <cheaziz> the DATA DRIVE has tons of data... does this mean the command may ERASE all the data?
[09:22] <dehspehl> cheaziz: NOOO
[09:22] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i have no way to click them if they are
[09:22] <Dr_willis> cheaziz,  no - it will make the drive show up at the mountpoint
[09:22] <voltagex> fatedkiss: wow, ouch. uninstall and reinstall?
[09:22] <etrask> hello, I was hoping someone could help me with an error message my computer keeps showing
[09:22] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i tried that
[09:22] <peabody> etrask: sure, just ask the question
[09:22] <cheaziz> should i reboot, or just do the sudo command?
[09:22] <voltagex> etrask: yes, describe/copy the error message
[09:22] <fatedkiss> voltagex, i purged firefox, then i reinstall and i get both the 64bit and 32 bit both with same problem
[09:22] <etrask> I just installed Ubuntu server on it, and the console keeps printing "[ *some number* ] over-current change on port x"
[09:22] <voltagex> fatedkiss: I'm really sorry I don't know what is going wrong
[09:22] <etrask> x keeps changing between 2 and 4
[09:23] <fatedkiss> voltagex, me either
[09:23] <voltagex> fatedkiss: actually, try starting a terminal and starting firefox there
[09:23] <etrask> I know it's probably not an ubuntu problem
[09:23] <fatedkiss> voltagex, whats the syntax
[09:23] <peabody> etrask: Well, can you use the system?
[09:23] <etrask> still, I can't really use the console with it printing about 10 of those a second
[09:23] <dehspehl> cheaziz: use 'sudo mount -a', just in case you set something by accident that would prevent booting
[09:23] <voltagex> fatedkiss: firefox-bin I think
[09:23] <voltagex> fatedkiss: try typing fire and pressing tab
[09:23] <peabody> etrask: have you tried switching to a different vt?
[09:24] <etrask> yeah, they all show that
[09:24] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: you might also want to try with a new profile
[09:24] <fatedkiss> voltagex, same thing
[09:24] <voltagex> fatedkiss: yes, but are there any errors printed in Terminal?
[09:24] <peabody> etrask: Any chance you could copy the exact error message here?
[09:24] <voltagex> fatedkiss: also, try Ziroday's suggestion.
[09:24] <fatedkiss> Ziroday, new profile?
[09:24] <etrask> it's on the other system, hold on I'll write it down
[09:25] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: one min
[09:26] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: run firefox -profilemanager
[09:26] <mindframe> what package is the 'service' command included in?
[09:27] <pteague> anybody familiar enough with svn & svn:ignore to know whether you could use svn:ignore to ignore everything except a specific extension?
[09:27] <Dr_willis> gee is ent service just like an alias for /etc/init.d/whatever start :)
[09:27] <etrask> peabody: [563.92385] hub 4-0:1.0 over-current change on port 4
[09:27] <Dr_willis> i saw some tutorial/site mention it. but i never use dit.
[09:27] <etrask> the number in brackets just keeps incrementing so I couldn't get the EXACT number
[09:27] <etrask> but "hub 4" and "port 4" keep alternating between 4 and 2
[09:28] <EdgEy_> looks like a usb hub error
[09:28] <etrask> :(
[09:28] <Symmetria> *sigh* now the fun starts, rsynching 7.6 terabytes of data from one machine to another
[09:28] <etrask> hub? not the stuff directly on the mobo?
[09:28] <EdgEy_> maybe you can unplug some devices and figure out if it stops ?
[09:28] <etrask> the onlything plugged into a USB port at all is the mouse
[09:28] <EdgEy_> strange
[09:28] <etrask> I've tried and it keeps doing it :(
[09:28] <voltagex> Symmetria: over what connection, and how on earth did you generate 7.6TB?
[09:29] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: any luck?
[09:29] <Symmetria> heh voltagex heh gigE between the machine, duplicating mirror server and moving to anycast infrastructure
[09:29] <Symmetria> heh voltagex http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53620/ <[09:29] <voltagex> Symmetria: you have better toys than me. Shouldn't be too painful on GigE though.
[09:30] <Spee_Der> Good morning all.
[09:30] <Symmetria> heh voltage Im just wishing I had a spare 10gig interface, I have one in the server Im rsynching FROM but not one in the one Im rsyching 2
[09:31] <kykyu> Hi All, this is Kenny.
[09:31] <Spee_Der> Hi Ken
[09:31] <voltagex> Symmetria: just interested how much are you paying for drives, also what size?
[09:32] <fatedkiss> Ziroday, sorry went to check on something sounded like someone wa sin my house
[09:32] <Spee_Der> fatedkiss, hope all is okay.
[09:32] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: no problems
[09:32] <voltagex> fatedkiss: ubuntu cannot prevent break ins :D
[09:32]  * Spee_Der working on2nd cup of wake up juice.
[09:32] <kykyu> :) I'd like to ask a question... I've installed a new Ubuntu but every time I need to include env variables http_proxy/ftp_proxy for passing thru the proxy. Can I have some alternative ways?
[09:32] <Symmetria> heh voltagex cant remeber what we paid for em, but those sdk, sdl and sdm are 500gig sata disks in iSCSI arrays, md0 is an array of 8 300gig internal SCSI drives
[09:33] <fatedkiss> voltagex, Ziroday, Spee_Der, naw i was just reay get beat someone with a studded belt and stab with a pen
[09:33] <Symmetria> then there are 2 more scsi disks on the base system
[09:33] <Symmetria> but that machine in total has 46 disks linked to it (tons and tons of space lost because of raid redundancy though)
[09:33] <Dr_willis> Theres so many HD's in that machine im suprised it dont spin around like a gyroscope
[09:33] <voltagex> Symmetria: current prices are <50cAUD per GB for 500GB drives. 2TB is looking nice.
[09:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:33] <Spee_Der> fatedkiss, I want the video
[09:34] <Symmetria> heh I have another array in the machine Im rsyching from which is made up of 15 x 750gig SATA disks in a SAS attached storage bay
[09:34]  * Spee_Der is once again thankful for all the help in this ubuntu channel.....
[09:34] <fatedkiss> Spee_Der, so will the cops
[09:34] <Symmetria> that thing is *FAST*
[09:34] <Spee_Der> fatedkiss, ya' think ? :>
[09:34] <Symmetria> and ubuntu had no problem with the controller :)
[09:34] <fatedkiss> Spee_Der, /shrug
[09:35] <fatedkiss> Ziroday,  firefox -profilemanager didnt work
[09:35] <JonathanD> Symmetria: what kind of iscsi system?
[09:35] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: well then you really are stuffed, is your machine 32 or 64bit?
[09:35] <JonathanD> Symmetria: commercial or home-brew?
[09:35] <Symmetria> jonathaN the iscsi systems are intel SSR220MA's
[09:36] <Symmetria> intel systems
[09:36] <fatedkiss> Ziroday, 64
[09:36] <JonathanD> Symmetria: so homebrew? :)
[09:36] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: are you running 32bit or 64bit version of ubuntu?
[09:36] <Symmetria> I wouldnt go iscsi again if I could avoid it
[09:36] <Symmetria> jonathaN no
[09:36] <fatedkiss> Ziroday, 64
[09:36] <pawan> wanted virtua girl for ubuntu
[09:36] <Spee_Der> Symmetria, why is that ?
[09:37] <Symmetria> ooops they are SSR212MA's I think, those are dedicated intel san's
[09:37] <Symmetria> for iSCSI
[09:37] <JonathanD> ahh
[09:37] <JonathanD> alright
[09:37] <Symmetria> spee its slow as hell compared to something like SAS
[09:37] <peabody> edit  superuberaber superuberabber
[09:37] <JonathanD> Symmetria: really?
[09:37] <peabody> ah
[09:37] <Spee_Der> Ok
[09:37] <JonathanD> mmm
[09:37] <peabody> sorry about that
[09:37] <peabody> playing around with my program
[09:37] <JonathanD> iscsi on proper hardware is just fine.
[09:37] <Symmetria> jonathaN its fine, but its not as fast as something like a powervault md1000 array
[09:38] <Symmetria> and the powervault md1000 arrays are no more expensive than the iSCSI systems
[09:38] <Ziroday> fatedkiss: well from what I can see you have 2 choices, a) use another browser besides firefox (opera or epiphnay) or b) you reinstall (i recommend you use the 32bit version nextime)
[09:38] <JonathanD> Symmetria: I'm using DS3400 for stuff in that space.
[09:38] <Symmetria> heh, I cap out on my powervault systems with a read speed of over 400Mbytes/second
[09:38] <Symmetria> and a write speed of 200Mbytes/second
[09:38] <Symmetria> and thats in raid 5 config
[09:38] <JonathanD> Symmetria: well, Gbit ethernet wil be a limitation there anyway :
[09:39] <JonathanD> on a per host basis, at least.