[12:00] <WodanTJ> yaarr
[12:00] <netstar> :)
[12:00] <pauldaoust> apokryphos: to be so lucky
[12:00] <Velox> Yarr!
[12:00] <apokryphos> What can I say 8)
[12:00] <WodanTJ> no me want pie!
[12:01] <vitriol> !pie
[12:01] <ubotu> I don't know, vitriol
[12:01] <vitriol> ubotu: pie is position independant executables
[12:01] <ubotu> okay, vitriol
[12:01] <spola> is there anyway i can use gnome AND juk (kde's supreme jukebox, much much much better then rythmbox)? the problem i ran into is juk uses arts ... and i can't run arts and esd at the same time ...
[12:01] <benplaut> pie is something good to eat :P
[12:01] <vitriol> !pie
[12:01] <ubotu> vitriol: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:01] <WodanTJ> la tarte!
[12:01] <Seveas> vitriol, don't play with the bot
[12:01] <WodanTJ> paj!
[12:02] <vitriol> Seveas: sorry :)
[12:02] <Fingolfinn> greets
[12:02] <WodanTJ> mmm pie
[12:02] <Seveas> WodanTJ, ...
[12:02] <butcherbird> any hope of getting this winmodem to work on my toshiba laptop?
[12:02] <Fingolfinn> allo allo people
[12:02] <WodanTJ> Seveas: Yes mr I will behave
[12:02] <benplaut> allo Fingolfinn
[12:02] <dalamar> wow just tried booting 2.6.11-1-k7 and my X wouldn't load because the nvidia drivers broke, I'm guessing its because the drivers are for the 2.6.10 kernel, how do I fix this?
[12:02] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I have no idea why, but everything is working fine now, and I haven't even installed the new modules.
[12:02] <Seveas> dalamar, 2.6.11 packages are broken - do not use
[12:02] <pauldaoust> crimsun: (as a matter of fact, it's still only just compiling)
[12:03] <vitriol> butcherbird: i believe you can find out by going to winmodems.org and look at the list of supported winmodems
[12:03] <dalamar> Seveas, so the kernel is not to be used at all?
[12:03] <vitriol> butcherbird: some are supported, others are not
[12:03] <Fingolfinn> how's it goin benplaut?
[12:03] <Seveas> dalamar, indeed
[12:03] <pauldaoust> vitriol: isn't that linmodems.org?
[12:03] <vitriol> errr right
[12:03] <vitriol> sorry :)
[12:03] <pauldaoust> ^__^
[12:03] <vitriol> butcherbird: did you get that? linmodems.org
[12:03] <Seveas> it was a test builf that should never have entered the archives
[12:03] <butcherbird> vitriol: yep thanks
[12:04] <vitriol> Seveas: the 2.6.11 kernel works for me. i can't use 2.6.10...unfixable dma problems
[12:04] <dalamar> Seveas, so I can just use synaptic to remove it then right? also, will I benefit from a 2.6.10 k7 release then, since the default kernel isn't amd optomized?
[12:04] <vitriol> should probably file a bug report over it....
[12:04] <Seveas> dalamar, depends
[12:04] <Seveas> it's always a good idea to install an optimized kernel though
[12:04] <dalamar> okay I will check that out then thanks
[12:04] <ero-sennin> how do i install jre?
[12:04] <sew3521> if i send someone my logfile for configuring bmp could they tell me what went wrong?
[12:04] <codecaine> msg NickServ IDENTIFY codecaine
[12:05] <DonL> Seveas, by the way, on a related note, I did manage to get rid of the extra kernel today, thanks
[12:05] <vitriol> the bad thing about using 2.6.11 is there is no headers package for it :(
[12:05] <DonL> Seveas, and saved 59 megs
[12:06] <Fingolfinn> How much of a learning curve would you say is involved in becoming proficient with linux, from having limited experience using terminal in os x?
[12:06] <sew3521> ditto^
[12:06] <Seveas> Fingolfinn, the learning curve is not too steep in Ubuntu
[12:06] <pauldaoust> Fingolfin: if you've used at least some terminal in OS X, the learning curve is smaller
[12:06] <Seveas> indeed
[12:06] <Fingolfinn> wicked
[12:07] <pauldaoust> Fingolfin: just remember the Tab key (i.e., tab-completion) is your best friend; it speeds things up markedly because you aren't spending time typing in filenames.
[12:07] <Fingolfinn> its necessary to learn scripting though?
[12:07] <Seveas> no
[12:07] <spola> after i install kde, i have to select it in GDM right?
[12:07] <pauldaoust> Fingolfin: I haven't yet, and I cert'ly know my way around the shell.
[12:07] <apokryphos> spola: or KDM, yes
[12:07] <pauldaoust> Fingolfinn: (although it would be a huge advantage)
[12:07] <Fingolfinn> ha
[12:07] <Seveas> scripting is never neccessary as an end user, it might be handy at times but the average user won't need it
[12:07] <dalamar> right now grub is booting the 2.6.11 kernel, I've removed it now, will grub know this or will I have to reconfigure grub? (so I don't have to hit 'e' to run 2.6.10"
[12:08] <ero-sennin> anyone know why i can't find sun-j2re1.5 on synaptic?
[12:08] <Fingolfinn> for diagnosis of machines in say, a google server farm, one would be using scripts, right?
[12:08] <pauldaoust> ero-sennin: it's in a different repository. search for java on wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:08] <Seveas> dalamar, the ubuntu kernel packages update the grub config
[12:08] <kemik> ero-sennin:  its in extras
[12:08] <geneo91> hehe breezy bager snake
[12:08] <pauldaoust> !tell ero-sennin about RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <kemik> !extras
[12:08] <ubotu> extras is probably For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:08] <Seveas> unless you messed that config up yourself :)
[12:08] <dalamar> Seveas, okay thanks
[12:08] <dalamar> no didnt touch it manually
[12:08] <kemik> damnit.. doom3 keeps being unstable
[12:09] <kemik> hangs when loading savedgames :(
[12:09] <pauldaoust> ero-sennin: that was totally the wrong link I told ubotu to send you, sorry :)
[12:10] <Hieronymus> Can anyone help me with the Ubuntu wiki? I want to 'sign' a comment (like "-- myname"). Is there an easy way of doing this? (In wikipedia you can use ~~~)
[12:10] <muffin_> where can i do wine sound configuration?
[12:10] <K\O\D\S> hello all
[12:10] <EasterSunshine> hey does anyone know where i can find some reading on what makes a fully-qualified domain name?
[12:10] <Fingolfinn> I have one hesitation before installing ubuntu... my network's seems to be a bit of an enigma for non-mac machines
[12:10] <spola> apokryphos, thx mate
[12:10] <Fingolfinn> i mean non mac operating systems
[12:11] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: what exactly is a fully-qualified domain name? How would it differ from just having a domain name?
[12:11] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: are you talking about something fancy, or are you just looking for the conanoical definition of a fully-qualified domain name?
[12:11] <pauldaoust> *canonical, not conanoical ^_^
[12:11] <netstar> Fingolfinn, I know that feeling.  OSX 10.3.x IS buggy.
[12:11] <EasterSunshine> apokryphos: that is the question i am seaching for the answer to
[12:11] <muffin_> Fingolfinn: there's a lot of enigmas for non mac machines :)
[12:11] <netstar> network kept going down on 10.3.x for me.
[12:11] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: I imagine you're talking about validating your html or something, right?
[12:11] <spola> wow kde installed fast
[12:11] <Fingolfinn> there's the wireless access point, which is more or less delivering the same range of IP addresses, as the linksys router which plugs into it
[12:11] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, an fqdn is a valid hostname
[12:11] <dalamar> okay, going to try the k7 2.6.10 then, brb
[12:12] <EasterSunshine> pauldaoust: i need to know fully qualified domain name for writing conf files for postfix
[12:12] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: for domain names all you can do is enter your registrar details, that's pretty much it.
[12:12] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, like ubuntu.com or irc.freenode.net
[12:12] <Fingolfinn> the internet connection being hooked through the linksys router
[12:12] <spola> brb, trying kde :-)
[12:12] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: ah, I gotcha. that would be... ummmmmmm...
[12:12] <codecaine> easter, if your mail servers name is "mail" and you are running email on yourdomain.com then put mail.yourdomain.com
[12:12] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, that should be a domain name that points to your server
[12:12] <codecaine> and put mail.yourdomain.com in your resolv.conf
[12:12] <Fingolfinn> oh well, no way to tell if there's going to be a problem without struggling through it first
[12:13] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: pm? i have tons of questions about that
[12:13] <codecaine> easter, sure
[12:16] <pauldaoust> !tell pauldaoust about alsa-source
[12:17] <Seveas> pauldaoust, you can also use '!tell me about alsa-aource' or '/msg ubotu alsa-source'
[12:17] <dalamar> yikes, the nvidia drivers break even trying to run 2.6.10-5-k7, are there specific nvidia drivers needed for the k7 version of the kernel??
[12:17] <pauldaoust> Seveas: oh, I never thought about pm'ing the bot, thanks!
[12:17] <GregAsche> is there a tool out there to rip only the subtitles off a movie to .srt format?
[12:17] <pauldaoust> !tell me about dmix
[12:18] <kemik> GregAsche:  you mean if the subs are "hardcoded" in the movie ?
[12:18] <mjr> GregAsche, that's a nontrivial task, since it requires optical character recognition. I haven't seen any good linux programs for it.
[12:18] <GregAsche> no
[12:18] <Angrod> hm, is there a apt-get way to install skype?
[12:18] <GregAsche> like, rip the subtitles from a dvd
[12:18] <kemik> GregAsche:  ah.. well check out doom9.org .. got alot on ripping & encoding
[12:18] <GregAsche> i have the movie ripped, but I couldn't get the program to rip the subtitles
[12:19] <Seveas> GregAsche, that sounds a bit like illegal activities, for which we don't provide support
[12:19] <mjr> GregAsche, my answer was for DVDs
[12:19] <GregAsche> so I just want to see if there is something seperate
[12:19] <GregAsche> Seveas: ripping a DVD you own is fair use
[12:19] <drasko> hi all. How to check what are existing users on my system
[12:19] <Seveas> GregAsche, it's a gray area :)
[12:19] <kemik> isit ?
[12:19] <Seveas> drasko, logged in users or existing accounts?
[12:19] <mjr> GregAsche, well, in some parts of the world. Some, like the US, have the DMCA which prohibits it for CSS'd DVDs
[12:19] <glick> is anyone good at writting term papers
[12:20] <glick> ill pay someon 25 bucks to write a 5 page paper for me
[12:20] <dalamar> are there specific nvidia drivers needed for the k7 version of the kernel??
[12:20] <glick> thats 5 bucks a page
[12:20] <Quest-Master> glick: for what?
[12:20] <Seveas> dalamar, have the linux-k7 package installed
[12:20] <Seveas> glick, quit the off-topic talking...
[12:20] <glick> Quest-Master, about economical inequality in america
[12:20] <glick> sorry Seveas
[12:20] <geneo91> glick:  what topic
[12:21] <Quest-Master> glick: what grade are you in? or is it college?
[12:21] <glick> college\
[12:21] <Seveas> Quest-Master, geneo91 ....
[12:21] <mrquick> ugh, this sucks
[12:21] <Quest-Master> sorry Seveas.
[12:22] <dalamar> Seveas, installing that should clear up the error and make use of the nvidia drivers that are there?
[12:22] <NoHope> hello all
[12:22] <toebal> join /linuxforen.de
[12:22] <glick> i dont get what the big deal is, let people talk about what they want to talk, and then when someone has an ubuntu related question the topic will naturally switch back to ubuntu
[12:22] <Seveas> dalamar, that makes sure your linux-restricted-modules and linux-image are matching
[12:22] <glick> cheesus!
[12:23] <Duvel> !botsnack
[12:23] <dalamar> Seveas, so if I'm getting no module found for NVIDIA errors with that kernel this should fix it right?
[12:23] <ubotu> :)
[12:23] <mrquick> all, I have an issue, I've got a realtek 8139C network card that only works if I set acpi=off in my grub.conf, however when I do, I can't use my usb port anymore, what can I do?
[12:23] <netstar> cry?
[12:23] <mrquick> I've tried that, it didn't help
[12:23] <Seveas> get another network card
[12:23] <NoHope> hein, do you know how to install .deb packages in Ubuntu?
[12:23] <glick> mrquick, i guess you have to decide which is more important to you
[12:23] <netstar> try acpi=nopci instead
[12:24] <mrquick> thanks netstar, will try it
[12:24] <glick> has anyone tried vista beta?
[12:24] <Seveas> NoHope, dpkg -i
[12:24] <Seveas> glick, for the last time, stop the off-topic talking
[12:24] <Fingolfinn> damn, i have 11 system's i can startup with
[12:25] <Fingolfinn> many identical
[12:25] <Fingolfinn> you are the weakest link, goodbye!
[12:25] <bdevel> Hello World! What directory do I put a script if I want it to run when the computer starts up?
[12:25] <BTJustice> Has anyone tried Cedega CVS (http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45)?  Does it really work?
[12:25] <Seveas> bdevel, /etc/init.d
[12:26] <Seveas> bdevel, and link it from /etc/rcS.d
[12:26] <NoHope> Seveas, thx.
[12:26] <Seveas> BTJustice, sometimes it does, sometimes not
[12:26] <BTJustice> Seveas: The commercial version is better?
[12:26] <netstar> has anyone else noticed that ripping cd's suck with linux in general?
[12:26] <Seveas> BTJustice, generally yes
[12:26] <mjr> netstar, no
[12:26] <Seveas> netstar, not really :)
[12:27] <drasko> Seveas, existing accounts
[12:27] <ero-sennin> hey Seveas those sources, all of them work but the planet mirror one
[12:27] <ero-sennin> it gave me lots of erros
[12:27] <Seveas> drasko, less /etc/passwd
[12:27] <ero-sennin> errors
[12:27] <netstar> Seveas how long does it take you to rip a cd?
[12:27] <dalamar> Seveas, the linux-k7 package did the trick, thanks ;)
[12:27] <Seveas> ero-sennin, then disable it temporarily -- the hoasry-extras servers are sometimes flaky
[12:27] <dalamar> my kernels optimized, woo!
[12:27] <Seveas> netstar, ig it takes long -> enable DMA
[12:27] <Seveas> !tell netstar about dma
[12:27] <pauldaoust> !tell me about dmix
[12:28] <pauldaoust> !tell me about java
[12:28] <netstar> Seveas, you mean use hdparm on the device?
[12:28] <Seveas> netstar, yup, or set it permanently in hdparm.conf
[12:28] <Fingolfinn> what disk format does ubuntu require?
[12:29] <dalamar> my crappy memorex burner must have bad drivers for linux, it does not like dma ;/
[12:29] <Seveas> linux can be installed on ext3/reiser/xfs. ext3 is recommended
[12:29] <Fingolfinn> okayz
[12:29] <NoHope> why not reiserfs?
[12:29] <reiki> anyone know where Evolution configuration files would be? I want to see if I can decipher what it's doing when it runs the Junk mail filter... thanks
[12:29] <NoHope> is ext3 more secure?
[12:29] <drasko> Seveas, tnx
[12:29] <Seveas> reiser has a history of not being able to survive power cuts and easily losing data
[12:30] <mjr> NoHope, more mature, safer
[12:30] <Fingolfinn> so no mac OS extended ^.^
[12:30] <glick> i have never lost data with reiserfs
[12:30] <NoHope> yes, it's more mature, it's true ;)
[12:30] <glick> reiser leaves ext3 in the dust in terms of speed
[12:30] <Seveas> true
[12:30] <pauldaoust> !hoary-extras
[12:30] <ubotu> hmm... hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:30] <Seveas> but I prefer data safety over speed
[12:30] <Fingolfinn> what to do what to do what to do
[12:30] <glick> Seveas, like i said i lost power once or twice and reiser never let me down
[12:30] <pauldaoust> !thanks, just checking to see you had info on that... was gonna add it if you didn't
[12:30] <netstar> Seveas, do I need to reboot now I enabled dma in the config?
[12:31] <murtun> Hey all
[12:31] <Seveas> netstar, no, just use hdparm to enable it now
[12:31] <Fingolfinn> my main hardrive has 69,260 folders, wowwy
[12:32] <murtun> lol
[12:32] <murtun> pr0n :P
[12:32] <Fingolfinn> no this is 40gb hardrive
[12:32] <Fingolfinn> my external's got all my porn
[12:32] <Fingolfinn> ^.^
[12:32] <murtun> :P
[12:32] <netstar> Seveas use hdparm in what way?
[12:32] <ankan_> Anybody have tried to copy the Gnuplot figures onto word processor...I see there is no copy to clipboard option on Gnuplot
[12:33] <Fingolfinn> 330,871 files wooo
[12:33] <Seveas> netstar, hdparm -d1 /dev/your_drive
[12:33] <MrPockets> hey, was there like a massave net split on efnet?
[12:33] <murtun> Is it just me or does Ubuntu have alot of Package dependencie problems?
[12:33] <djenner> Completely muddled: Anyone able to walk me through installing Firefox 1.0.6. I have the package but...
[12:33] <ankan_> Anybody have tried to copy the Gnuplot figures onto word processor...I see there is no copy to clipboard option on Gnuplot
[12:33] <Nap> ankan_: you still can make a screenshot...
[12:33] <ankan_> yea
[12:34] <ankan_> but is there any other option?
[12:34] <Seveas> ankan_, gnuplot can write to png
[12:34] <ankan_> i tried to save the figure as .png
[12:34] <Fingolfinn> shitzorz, I have my hardrive partitioned into 3 sections, will i have to repartition the whole thing to get the right disk format?
[12:34] <ankan_> but the format was al messed up when I tried to open it
[12:35] <Seveas> ankan_, read the gnuplot docs
[12:36] <netstar> Seveas, still ripping at 1.2x
[12:36] <ankan_> i have found one thing from the manual - there is a way of saving it to word processor, but for that u have to set the terminal to appropriate terminal type
[12:36] <ankan_> and then plot it
[12:36] <ankan_> but i dont know whts the appropriate terminal
[12:36] <dalamar> lol yeah turning dma on for my cdrom locks my whole system ;p
[12:36] <ankan_> for openoffice
[12:36] <Fingolfinn> fux shizzle
[12:37] <Fingolfinn> I'm going in
[12:37] <Seveas> ankan_, I forgot it, hang on
[12:37] <dalamar> i've heard somewhere that a hdd and cdrom/burner on the same ide channel can't have dma on for both, is there any truth to this or b.s.?
[12:38] <mjr> dalamar, BS
[12:38] <dalamar> k thought so, the drivers my burner are using must be crap or somthing
[12:38] <murtun> Hey all, i'm having a really bad time with ubuntu
[12:38] <murtun> I'm trying to install Kismet
[12:38] <Fingolfinn> try buying it flowers
[12:39] <murtun> but it is asking me for "libcurses!
[12:39] <mjr> murtun, I've heard rumors though of optical drives that don't share the cable gladly...
[12:39] <exflux69> y0 how to i allow users to connect to my machine in ubuntu?
[12:39] <murtun> huh mjr ?
[12:39] <rosa> hi, how do i find my ip address in the command line
[12:40] <dalamar> wrong person, i understand ;)
[12:40] <rosa> under what command
[12:40] <priest> rosa::: ifconfig
[12:40] <rosa> oh ok
[12:40] <Seveas> ankan_, still here?
[12:40] <rosa> thanx
[12:40] <murtun> rosa: lynx www.whatismyip.com
[12:40] <exflux69> httpd.config
[12:40] <murtun> :D
[12:40] <mjr> murtun, some drives, I hear, might not work properly in all respects when sharing the IDE cable, but I don't have any solid info on that. As said, a rumor.
[12:40] <ankan_> yea
[12:40] <murtun> Ah, thanks for that man :)
[12:40] <Seveas> ankan_, see private message
[12:40] <ankan_> i have no clue how to use the terminal type
[12:41] <Fingolfinn> I have no IDE what i'm doing
[12:42] <EasterSunshine> rosa: GET www.whatismyip.com|grep Your
[12:42] <murtun> Whats up Fingolfinn
[12:42] <Fingolfinn> items to delete: 27,000
[12:42] <murtun> ?
[12:42] <kemik> Fingolfinn:  that cant be good
[12:42] <Fingolfinn> i was making a very bad joke
[12:43] <EasterSunshine> kemik: you remind me of keramik
[12:43] <Fingolfinn> i'm probably gonna be alright
[12:43] <Fingolfinn> cause i'm smrt
[12:43] <raven3x7> how do i list all running processes?
[12:43] <murtun> wHy does Ubuntu have NOOO libs??
[12:44] <murtun> ps aux :)
[12:44] <Seveas> murtun, nonsense
[12:44] <Seveas> raven3x7, ps aux
[12:44] <Seveas> or ps f -e if you like trees
[12:44] <murtun> Seveas, Indeed!
[12:44] <Fingolfinn> ps aux yay
[12:44] <Fingolfinn> lol
[12:44] <murtun> ps aux | grep <processname> :P
[12:45] <Fingolfinn> sudo renice -10 1322
[12:45] <Fingolfinn> i'm a d ork
[12:46] <Fingolfinn> i need to learn how to use grep better
[12:46] <Fingolfinn> i'm tryin to get a job at googlezorz
[12:46] <Seveas> murtun, pgrep <processname>
[12:46] <ero-sennin> hey Seveas, you know why i get this error:  sudo PATH=$PATH:/usr    command not found
[12:46] <EasterSunshine> if ps aux is all processes...what is ps -A
[12:47] <Fingolfinn> Copying 17,833 item's to "Ben's Bitch Ass Mofo"
[12:47] <murtun> because ur using ubuntu
[12:47] <Seveas> ero-sennin, because it is not a command...
[12:47] <priest> EasterSunshine::: also all processes.
[12:47] <EasterSunshine> priest: oh just a different formatting
[12:47] <mjr> ero-sennin, sudo env ....
[12:47] <ero-sennin> im trying to install flash via the restrictred format page
[12:48] <Angrod> any one know of the program "Point 2 Play"? and where i can download it?
[12:48] <ero-sennin> and one of the instructions was to type that
[12:48] <ero-sennin> and thats what error i got
[12:48] <wjesusaxl> guys.. i'm here... I have a little problem with my repository... I got it to work in one computer.. I can install whatever I want.. but I can't get the same result with the same repository in this computer... it's exactly the same sources.list file
[12:48] <ero-sennin> nally add /usr to the path variable so that the player itself will work, not just the plugin.
[12:48] <ero-sennin> $ sudo PATH=$PATH:/usr
[12:48] <ero-sennin> finally*
[12:48] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: you do an apt-get update ?
[12:48] <Fingolfinn> coool! what's a repository?
[12:48] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell Fingolfinn about repos
[12:48] <ero-sennin> !tell Fingolfinn repos
[12:48] <Fingolfinn> COOL
[12:49] <wjesusaxl> i I did that alredy
[12:49] <wjesusaxl> already
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> wacka wacka
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> thanks
[12:49] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: are you playing around or something?
[12:49] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: yea, it is really annoying
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> No I'm just a bit autistic
[12:49] <Fingolfinn> I will cease
[12:49] <EasterSunshine> ero-sennin: doesn't your nick mean perverted outcast in japanese?
[12:50] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: you're going to have to explain "same results"
[12:50] <priest> Fingolfinn::: No drugs involved?
[12:50] <Fingolfinn> no sir
[12:50] <mjr> EasterSunshine, it's from the Naruto anime :)
[12:50] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  how much hentai have you consumed? =)
[12:50] <Angrod> noen med "Wine skills" som kan hjelpe meg litt?
[12:50] <wjesusaxl> aeruder: same results... I can't install the same programs
[12:50] <ero-sennin> actually EasterSunshine it means perverted toad
[12:51] <Seveas> Angrod, please stick to english in here or join a localized channel
[12:51] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: and diff sources.list1 sources.list2 prints out nothing?
[12:51] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  keramik ?
[12:51] <Seveas> wjesusaxl, do apt-get update on both machines
[12:51] <Angrod> im sorry :/ it was a amsg. didnt think i would say it on this net :(
[12:51] <Fingolfinn> hey, do any of ya know what a hard line is and what a soft line is?
[12:51] <EasterSunshine> kemik: its like a skin for kde or something
[12:51] <Angrod> so so sorry :(
[12:51] <aeruder> Angrod: it's alright ;)
[12:51] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  oo ic
[12:51] <Seveas> Fingolfinn, please stop annoying the channel...
[12:51] <ero-sennin> parle vous francias?
[12:51] <ero-sennin> jk jk
[12:52] <Fingolfinn> that was an honest question, I'll just google it though, sorry
[12:52] <aeruder> Seveas: amazing how i joined the channel about 1.5 minutes ago and was annoyed by him within 30 seconds
[12:52] <kemik> je ne pas parle franzaise ;)
[12:53] <pauldaoust> okay, totally off-the-wall question: is there any utility in Ubuntu that may be changing my MAC address every time I turn my machine on?
[12:53] <pauldaoust> yes, you read right: changing my MAC address
[12:54] <priest> pauldaoust::: ifconfig
[12:54] <pauldaoust> but why would it do that if I don't tell it to though?
[12:54] <kemik> pauldaoust:  it seems unlikely it would
[12:54] <priest> it isn't
[12:54] <pauldaoust> that's what I thought
[12:54] <Seveas> pauldaoust, ifconfig CAN change it, but should not do it
[12:54] <aeruder> computers don't often do things you don't tell them to do ;)
[12:54] <pauldaoust> wonder if my card is on the fritz
[12:54] <kemik> maybe its HAL ?
[12:54] <pauldaoust> aeruder: how long have you been using computers? ^__^
[12:55] <aeruder> pauldaoust: heh, good point
[12:55] <pauldaoust> kemik: as in, HAL9000?
[12:55] <pauldaoust> kemik: it wouldn't surprise me
[12:55] <pauldaoust> seems like my machine has a life of its own
[12:55] <kemik> pauldaoust:  yes
[12:55] <kemik> most likely
[12:55] <pauldaoust> well, just thought I'd ask before buying a new network card. I guess my computer really IS going crazy
[12:55] <pauldaoust> thanks guys!
[12:55] <kemik> quick, unplug it or you'll suffer some terrible fate
[12:55] <aeruder> pauldaoust: you can use ifconfig to force teh ethernet address
[12:56] <geneo91> haunted pc
[12:56] <kemik> just buy a cheapo $13 NIC from realtek
[12:57] <mhz> hey
[12:57] <mhz> anyone here using laptop?
[12:57] <dalamar> cheap and good doesnt work, I just figured out my 7 dollar keyboard is possesed in linux and the p.o.s. one it was supposed to replace is working ;p
[12:57] <Seveas> mhz, yes
[12:57] <mhz> Seveas: hey
[12:57] <kemik> dalamar:  my m$-mouse just broke down after less than 3months.... and it wasnt cheap
[12:58] <mhz> how do you set your sensitive touchpad off?
[12:58] <kemik> all my cheap hardware still works... :)
[12:58] <mhz> Seveas: how do you set your sensitive touchpad off?
[12:58] <Seveas> mhz, I don;t my touchpad works as it should :)
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> my logitech mouse wasn't cheap
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> and it hasn't broken.
[12:58] <Seveas> but you can do it in xorg.conf
[12:58] <mhz> hmm, which Desktop?
[12:58] <Seveas> gnome
[12:58] <dalamar> kemik, well there will always be exceptions but cheap = broke imo
[12:58] <mhz> Seveas: I did try via SynapticsHowTO
[12:58] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  im using a logitech now.. but it's not a very ergonomic mouse so i gotta buy a new one..
[12:59] <Fingolfinn> I'd like to get the Mighty Mouse, mouse, from Apple
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: I have an MX 510, I recommend that or the MX518
[12:59] <kemik> dalamar:  my da*n philips widescreen (which wasnt cheap either) broke last year ... :)
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> Fingolfinn: for $texas
[12:59] <pauldaoust> FECK!
[12:59] <dalamar> ive had my logitech mouse for like 4-5 years and works great still, all blue and ergo and lighted
[12:59] <pauldaoust> still having sound problems.
[12:59] <kemik> i'd rather buy 2-3 cheap devices than one "quality" ... ;)
[12:59] <pauldaoust> (because I know you all care deeply ^_^)
[12:59] <aeruder> pauldaoust: what sound card?
[01:00] <cyphase> wow..
[01:00] <cyphase> beagle searchs svg images for text..
[01:00] <dmoyne> hello ! ; has anybody installed Breezy for test ?
[01:00] <aeruder> dalamar: i have the same one
[01:00] <cyphase> me :)
[01:00] <Fingolfinn> not sure i understood what you were trying to say to me hrdwrbob
[01:00] <aeruder> dmoyne: yes, i am running breezy upgrade from hoary
[01:00] <pauldaoust> aeruder: onboard VT82C686
[01:00] <dalamar> aeruder, that mouse rocks ;)
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> Fingolfinn: they are expensive
[01:00] <aeruder> which wasn't pretty, and still has lots of b0rkennesses
[01:00] <cyphase> dmoyne, i have it installed on a test machine
[01:00] <dmoyne> no probem ?
[01:00] <Fingolfinn> very true
[01:00] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  thinking of a MX510 but cordless
[01:00] <cyphase> a few
[01:00] <aeruder> dalamar: yes it does, i have -=never=- had a problem, and it has lasted me years and years
[01:00] <pauldaoust> aeruder: (snd_via82xx)
[01:01] <aeruder> pauldaoust: i think i have the same one
[01:01] <dalamar> aeruder, same here, regardless of OS or anything I throw at it really
[01:01] <aeruder> well, i don't use it
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: meh, cords don't bother me, batteries do
[01:01] <pauldaoust> aeruder: really?
[01:01] <aeruder> i have a live! but i have gotten it to work at one time
[01:01] <pauldaoust> aeruder: oh....
[01:01] <dmoyne> last time I installed Xorg was buggy !
[01:01] <aeruder> dmoyne: you need a new config most likely
[01:01] <aeruder> Driver "keyboard" => Driver "kbd"
[01:01] <kemik> HrdwrBoB:  mmh, i gotta see how long it takes beforethem batteries need re-charging
[01:01] <pauldaoust> aeruder: that's what I eventually did, but I'm deploying Ubuntu on a bunch of school computers, and they can't afford to buy new SB Live cards :(
[01:01] <dmoyne> what do you mean !
[01:01] <aeruder> your font lines need to go from /usr/lib/X11 to /usr/share/X11
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: yea, i'm surprised you are having problems
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: sure they aren't muted?
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> kemik: depends on usage, but varying from a few weeks to a few months
[01:02] <pauldaoust> aeruder: the weird thing is that the startup sound (and any subsequent MP3s) sound like graveyard theme music...
[01:02] <Fingolfinn> i think i'm all set to install ubuntu
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: er, weird
[01:02] <pauldaoust> aeruder: then I go to a website that has a Flash file with audio, and after visiting that site, sounds are fine.
[01:02] <fdorrington> does anyone know how to disable gnome keyring?
[01:02] <Fingolfinn> bye for now
[01:02] <ero-sennin> what command in console is to delete a file?
[01:02] <aeruder> i think there was OSS drivers for the via too
[01:02] <aeruder> pauldaoust: uh
[01:02] <ero-sennin> del?
[01:02] <dalamar> ero-sennin, rm
[01:02] <ero-sennin> okay
[01:02] <ero-sennin> thanks
[01:02] <pauldaoust> aeruder: must be something to do with OSS
[01:02] <Fingolfinn> you all have been tremendously helpful, thank you
[01:02] <dmoyne>  aeruder : so you are on a test Breezy now !
[01:03] <JK> iam trying to install and i sellect the partition and it says root files missing ...help
[01:03] <wjesusaxl> why do I get those problems when I try to install programs
[01:03] <aeruder> pauldaoust: bizarre, could be a kbps or playback thing that flash sets and the default is just wrong
[01:03] <pauldaoust> aeruder: mebbe
[01:03] <aeruder> dmoyne: yes, i am talking to you from talksoup on a breezy machine
[01:03] <aeruder> dmoyne: and i wouldn't recommend the upgrade at this time
[01:03] <aeruder> there's still a lot of transitions going on
[01:03] <dmoyne> ah why !
[01:03] <wjesusaxl> if the repository (sources.list) is the same on both computers.. why can't I install programs on the other?
[01:04] <aeruder> wjesusaxl: do a diff sources.list1 sources.list2
[01:04] <pauldaoust> aeruder: yeah, the weird thing is that the startup sound plays nice for one second, then slows down to about a quarter of its speed. I wonder if there's some sort of setitng that gnome-session loads... somewhere...
[01:04] <aeruder> if you truly did a apt-get update on both of them
[01:04] <aeruder> then there shouldn't be a difference
[01:04] <aeruder> pauldaoust: ah, perhaps it is esd
[01:04] <pauldaoust> unfortunately, using osssink doesn't rectify the problem.
[01:04] <martinald> hi
[01:04] <aeruder> pauldaoust: look at the esd settings in gnome perhaps
[01:04] <martinald> is it possible to do an FTP install of breezy?
[01:04] <Fingolfinn> Ohmer, one last question, would any of you have an idea of how to switch the keyboard layout in ubuntu from QWERTY to dvorak?
[01:05] <pauldaoust> aeruder: thanks for the tip!
[01:05] <dmoyne>  aeruder : thanks I may try it but in parallel to my current Hoary !
[01:05] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: it is quite simple in X
[01:05] <Fingolfinn> what's the procedure?
[01:05] <Fingolfinn> or is it easy as in easy to figure out?
[01:05] <wjesusaxl> aeruder: What to do that for? what do I have to change?
[01:05] <pauldaoust> aeruder: any suggestions on disabling esound entierly?
[01:05] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: one sec
[01:05] <wjesusaxl> i'll be right back
[01:05] <aeruder> pauldaoust: i'm not very familiar with gnome
[01:05] <aeruder> somewhere in the control panel i'd assume
[01:05] <pauldaoust> aeruder: no problem
[01:06] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: http://local.aeruder.net/dvorak.txt
[01:06] <Fingolfinn> gratzi
[01:06] <fdorrington> if no one knows how to disable gnome keyring. does anyone know how to disable the microphone from going through the speaker but still be able to record?
[01:06] <bz0b> hey ya'll
[01:06] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: qwerty.txt too
[01:07] <aeruder> xmodmap dvorak.txt <= convert qwerty to dvorak
[01:07] <tristanmike> So, how do you mount a seperate drive?
[01:07] <Fingolfinn> okay
[01:07] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: xmodmap qwerty.txt <= convert back to qwerty
[01:07] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: and make sure you don't run dvorak.txt twice before going back to qwerty
[01:07] <Fingolfinn> alright so these are files i download
[01:07] <aeruder> it gets ugly ;)
[01:07] <Fingolfinn> how ugly?
[01:08] <Fingolfinn> i'd imagine pretty ugly anyways
[01:08] <Fingolfinn> k thanks
[01:08] <aeruder> well, the xmodmap basically changes "a" to something else
[01:08] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: and so on
[01:08] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: you run it twice, you get a whole crazy layout
[01:08] <aeruder> :)
[01:08] <Fingolfinn> so you use dvorak?
[01:09] <dalamar> you can play 'find the key' then, good times ;)
[01:09] <aeruder> i used to
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> i love it
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> :D
[01:09] <aeruder> it is quite nice, but difficult when you are a student and have to use others computers all the time
[01:09] <aeruder> not to mention the fact that i work on computers for a living
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> i know exactly what you mean
[01:10] <Fingolfinn> i've gotten extreme amounts of flak for changing the keyboard layout and forgetting to change it back
[01:10] <Fingolfinn> almost got fired too
[01:10] <nightmaster> hello
[01:10] <Fingolfinn> but i continue to use it, maybe i'm just stubborn
[01:11] <kemik> dvorak is supposedly much better for your "hand-health" ;)
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> i tried getting into dvorak once
[01:11] <Fingolfinn> i find that to be quite true, not to mention the number of mistakes less frequent
[01:12] <Fingolfinn> it really took 4 weeks for me to get used to dvorak enough to type it  fluently, used ten thumbs typing tutor
[01:12] <dalamar> im a chicken peck master
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i'm changing my layout right now guys, you talked me into it
[01:13] <Fingolfinn> yeah, then you look up to find you've missed an entire conversation
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: i have used dvorak long enough to get used to it, but when school started, i had to switch back to qwerty
[01:13] <ilba7r> i am new to the command line usage. Is there a way when running a program from a terminal say firefox that i in the same terminal run another program say evolution?
[01:13] <dalamar> naw I can peck pretty damn fast, I mean I don't have to look but as far as typing in a traditional 'home keys' way I can't do it
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: school's out now...so its dvorak time
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> at university it's quite easy to change the layout to dvorak
[01:14] <kemik> ilba7r:  use "&"
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: don't you all have your own laptops in universities?
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> not me, yet
[01:14] <aeruder> ilba7r use "&" at the end when you run it to put it in background
[01:14] <ilba7r> kemik i do not want to rubn them on the same line
[01:14] <kemik> ilba7r:  "evolution &"  and "firefox &"
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: i goto elementary school, we have like 90 comps in the entire building
[01:14] <aeruder> ilba7r or if it is running
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> I'm saving up for a god computer
[01:14] <ilba7r> i just need to regain control
[01:14] <aeruder> ctrl-z to stop it
[01:14] <Chipzz> hi, I'm running breezy, and I want to try out the splash image; it appears I need /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz, boot I don't know what package it is in. One could give me a hint as of where to find it?
[01:14] <kemik> ilba7r:  exactly
[01:14] <aeruder> bg to resume it in background
[01:14] <Fingolfinn> elementary?
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> as in grades 1-6?
[01:15] <kemik> ilba7r:  typ "evolution &"
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> yes, i am going to grade 3 next year
[01:15] <ilba7r> ok thanx a lot guys kemik aeruder
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> you must be kidding
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> i couldn't spell 'the' in grade 2
[01:15] <ablyss> rare but it happens that some programs have a -flag to run as background task... :)
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> i spelt it 'tha'
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: yeah i remember teahing a second grader to read when i was in kindergarten
[01:16] <Fingolfinn> lol child prodigy eh
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> Fingolfinn: nah, just a computer nerd
[01:16] <Fingolfinn> there was a girl in my graduating class, 15 years old
[01:16] <Seveas> Fingolfinn, EasterSunshine take that off-topic discussion elsewhere
[01:16] <Fingolfinn> she's in engineering of some sort at University of Toronto
[01:17] <EasterSunshine> sry, seveas
[01:17] <Fingolfinn> Oh yeah sorry
[01:17] <aeruder> Fingolfinn: if you actually believe 2% of what people say in IRC, you are rather delusional ;)
[01:17] <Chipzz> ok, would anyone running colony #3 please be kind enough to paste the output of "dpkg -S /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz" ?
[01:17] <Fingolfinn> i'm gonna install ubuntu now
[01:17] <Fingolfinn> nah, i'm just a gullible schmuck
[01:17] <kemik> anyone know  a good Real-Media player
[01:17] <kemik> ?
[01:17] <tristanmike> Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.
[01:17] <Seveas> !realplayer
[01:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> hmmm, good advice
[01:18] <kemik> ouch :)
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> but i'm not gonna believe it
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> lol
[01:18] <valzaq> how can u load hardware modules to the kernel??
[01:18] <kemik> should have known
[01:18] <kemik> valzaq:  modprobe
[01:18] <aeruder> valzaq: modprobe
[01:18] <black13> can a .deb package be unpacked to an arbitrary directory?
[01:18] <Seveas> valzaq, sudo modprobe
[01:18] <Fingolfinn> let the installation begin
[01:18] <Chipzz> black13: yes
[01:18] <Seveas> black13, yes, but why would you want that?
[01:18] <kemik> i think it echoes in here
[01:18] <valzaq> thanks
[01:19] <Chipzz> black13: dpkg-deb -x <nameof.deb> /path/where/you/want/to/extract
[01:19] <spola> unpacked yes, but installed?
[01:19] <Seveas> spola, installed: no :)
[01:19] <black13> spola unpacked and install are two different things from what i gather from the man page
[01:20] <Chipzz> black13: yes
[01:20] <sam__> can someone please explain to me what this means
[01:20] <sam__> im new to linux
[01:20] <sam__> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[01:20] <sam__> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[01:20] <sam__> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[01:20] <spola> my point excactly :o)
[01:20] <Seveas> sam__, do NOT paste in here
[01:20] <sam__> ooo ok
[01:20] <sam__> sorry
[01:20] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell sam__about pastebin
[01:20] <black13> sam__ means your hosed
[01:20] <Seveas> and try not to use .rpm packages
[01:20] <valzaq> nope thats not it what i mean is that blue screen that lets u choose modules with + or remove them with -
[01:20] <Seveas> find a .deb, or better: use the package manager
[01:20] <aeruder> sam__: yea, why are you using a rpm package?
[01:20] <ernstp> Hello everyone
[01:21] <Seveas> valzaq, that's for kernel compiling...
[01:21] <ernstp> I'm getting Error 18 from Grub when I try to boot
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> sam__ do you know about apt or synaptic?
[01:21] <sam__> I'm not sure. I am trying to install skype and vnc. With skype I was using something different, one sec
[01:21] <kemik> Seveas:  perhaps have ubotu tell all newcomers of the rules in some highly intrusive "cant-be-missed" sort of way
[01:21] <Seveas> sam__, vnc is installed by default
[01:21] <kemik> like a DCC-chat or sth
[01:21] <valzaq> yes i need to change the sound card modules im using it doesnt work
[01:21] <ernstp> That is, linux boots fine, running breezy, but windows won't boot
[01:21] <Seveas> kemik, impossible to implement and highly annoying :)
[01:21] <sam__> with skype I was trying to use the "Debian Package"
[01:21] <aeruder> kemik: a DCC chat seems a bit overkill ;)
[01:21] <sam__> o
[01:22] <Seveas> ernstp, try rootnoverify in the win XP entry
[01:22] <kemik> Seveas:  naah, its quite possible.. but hihly annoying :)
[01:22] <black13> let me extend my question can install say bash-xxxx.deb to arbitray directory i dont wish to affect my working system?
[01:22] <Seveas> sam__, that's good
[01:22] <Chipzz> aeruder: /notice al of it <eg>
[01:22] <Seveas> sudo dpkg -i skype-something.deb
[01:22] <Chipzz> s/al/all/
[01:22] <aeruder> Chipzz: yes, but that is not a DCC chat ;)
[01:22] <EasterSunshine> sam__ skype is in one of the official ubuntu repos
[01:22] <Seveas> black13, impossible
[01:22] <sam__> Hmm.. I guess I need to figure out how to find them.
[01:22] <kemik> aeruder:  well seems to me like  of the ppl joining here has no "netiqutte" or bothers to read the topic
[01:22] <sam__> I think I read something about it.
[01:22] <Chipzz> ok... so would someone please help me with this? takes only one second of time...
[01:23] <sam__> I think I'm using the latest version.
[01:23] <black13> Seveas then what about deboostrap?
[01:23] <Seveas> black13, install from source and use ./configue --prefix=/somewhere
[01:23] <kemik> *and some dont even make an effort to use their brains*
[01:23] <aeruder> kemik: welcome to irc, enjoy your stay
[01:23] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell sam about repos
[01:23] <Seveas> black13, debootstrap is something totally different...
[01:23] <aeruder> kemik: heh ;)
[01:23] <ernstp> Seveas, allready got that!
[01:23] <occy> everyone run, occy is here.
[01:23] <kemik> aeruder:  mmh.. been around irc for a long time.. just not in these sort of channels :)
[01:23] <carajean206> ok im back guys and i still need help with my nvidia drivers is there any way that i can see if they are installed at all?
[01:23] <black13> Seveas but deboostrap used dpkg to accomplish this right?
[01:23] <Chipzz> "dpkg -S /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz"...
[01:24] <Seveas> black13, debootstrap is for installing a base system...
[01:24] <aeruder> kemik: yea, i can only take this channel in small doses
[01:24] <Chipzz> or is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[01:24] <Seveas> not individual packages
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> sam__ there is also a skype howto
[01:24] <Seveas> Chipzz, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:24] <kemik> :)
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell sam__ about skype
[01:24] <ernstp> Chipzz, packages.ubuntu.com :-) But it's not very well updated
[01:24] <kemik> Seveas has the patience of an angel sometimes.. heh
[01:24] <aeruder> kemik: the sheer # of rude people that have absolutely no desire to simply google for answers amazes me
[01:24] <Seveas> Chipzz, and it's probably thr 'grub' or 'ubuntu-artwork' package
[01:24] <black13> ok lets go another way .... does an individual .deb file know about dependancies>
[01:24] <black13> ?
[01:24] <Seveas> aeruder, rude people are kicked :)
[01:25] <aeruder> kemik: half the people in here could probably google for answers in half the time they wait for them in here and learn a lot more out about it
[01:25] <Seveas> black13, if the packager is smart: yes
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> aeruder: google isn't a cureall, a lot of stuff you can learn better from the channel than google
[01:25] <black13> like bash-xxx.deb knows that it needs libc-xxx.deb ?
[01:25] <Seveas> if it is packaged by a fool: no
[01:25] <dalamar> the sheer number of  ppl who dont read the wiki amazes me
[01:25] <kemik> indeed
[01:25] <Chipzz> hrmmm
[01:25] <Chipzz> no luck
[01:25] <Seveas> all official ubuntu packages know their dependencies
[01:25] <Seveas> ubuntu maintainers are smart :)
[01:25] <aeruder> EasterSunshine: reading the documentation and googling should always be your first attempt
[01:25] <Chipzz> so where does /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz come from? any takers? ;P
[01:25] <aeruder> EasterSunshine: if we started referring people to /usr/share/doc and the man program,  there'd be anarchy i'm sure
[01:26] <kemik> the wiki, forums and just a simple google search with "topic +ubuntu" would help at least 75% of the ppl :)
[01:26] <Seveas> kemik, lots of people are forwarded to them
[01:26] <kemik> Seveas:  yeh i know :)
[01:26] <bz0b> ubotu tell bz0b about sources
[01:26] <EasterSunshine> aeruder: man pages rock, man always helps me
[01:27] <carajean206> ok can someone just give a newb a quick command to see if my nvidia drivers are even installed?
[01:27] <Seveas> carajean206, grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:27] <Seveas> lsmod | grep nv
[01:27] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I really apologise to bug you again, but the sound is still slow... every time I restart my computer, it goes back to its stultifying pace
[01:27] <aeruder> Seveas: uh, no and.. no?
[01:27] <spola> lately yahoo! returns better results than google most of the times
[01:27] <Seveas> (and you should see the nvidia logo during boot or xorg startup)
[01:27] <kemik> Seveas:  actually some stuff could be done on the installer, make it more "windows" like, and put on some helpful information during file-copy etc
[01:27] <carajean206> seveas that did nothing
[01:27] <aeruder> carajean206: how about dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[01:27] <kemik> "where to get help, basic stuff 2know about linux" :)
[01:27] <Chipzz> carajean206: dpkg -l nvidia-glx
[01:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> why can't i make a map in /usr ?
[01:28] <Seveas> kemik, that's work in progress
[01:28] <Seveas> (installer)
[01:28] <Seveas> and there will be an official faq guide for breezy
[01:28] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: 1) because you are not supposed to
[01:28] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: 2) because you are not supposed to
[01:28] <Seveas> including pointers to wiki
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> oh :p
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> oke
[01:28] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: 3) because the permissions do not allow it
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> nevermind
[01:28] <EasterSunshine> why are you putting a map in your /usr?
[01:28] <bjorn_ZZZ> I'll install java somewhere else
[01:28] <kemik> yeah i saw that.. that'll be very nice, instead of the ubuntuguide
[01:28] <carajean206> ok i got some kind of driver but not the new ones i thought i installed.
[01:29] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, do NOT install java with a binary installer
[01:29] <carajean206> guys im really havin trouble with these nvidia drivers
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[01:29] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: no, really, for 99% of the users there should be no reason to create a map in /usr, it's highly likely that you are just mistaken
[01:29] <aeruder> bjorn_ZZZ: why not?
[01:29] <spola> wth is a map?
[01:29] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, grab a .deb from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/
[01:29] <Chipzz> spola: a folder
[01:29] <tramm> hello, all.
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> k
[01:29] <Chipzz> bjorn_ZZZ: like I said, no reason to do so. use packages
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> luckely i asked here first :)
[01:29] <EasterSunshine> i installed java from a binary before i ever came to this channel...
[01:29] <bjorn_ZZZ> well
[01:30] <spola> heh
[01:30] <tramm> just installed ubuntu and am playing around with it. its kinda cool. but, i can't seem to su to root.
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> I couldn't install it from the apt-get
[01:30] <Seveas> tramm, ubuntu uses sudo
[01:30] <aeruder> tramm: you use sudo
[01:30] <Chipzz> tramm: sudo su -
[01:30] <Seveas> not su, neither a root password
[01:30] <spola> or sudo bash
[01:30] <Seveas> Chipzz, that's: sudo -i
[01:30] <kemik> !sudo
[01:30] <carajean206> speaking of apt-get can i do that for the newest nvidia drivers?
[01:30] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:30] <EasterSunshine> root is disabled for security
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> carajean206,
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> there is an easy guide
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> i'll givei t
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> it worked for me
[01:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> wait a sec
[01:30] <tramm> thank you.
[01:30] <Chipzz> Seveas: whatever :) sudo su - has always worked for me, and that's how I remember it ;)
[01:31] <Seveas> hehe
[01:31] <pauldaoust> quick question: anyone know how to disable esound?
[01:31] <bz0b> hey Seveas
[01:31] <Seveas> sudo -i is shorter ;)
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[01:31] <tramm> are you saying that one can only use sudo to do *things*?
[01:31] <bjorn_ZZZ> carajean206, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[01:31] <spola> pauldaoust, killall esd
[01:31] <bjorn_ZZZ> read that
[01:31] <bz0b> what does sudo -i do?
[01:31] <Seveas> pauldaoust, system -> prefs -> sound
[01:31] <pauldaoust> Seveas: duh
[01:31] <pauldaoust> thanks
[01:31] <Seveas> bz0b, makes your terminal a root terminal
[01:31] <bz0b> ah
[01:31] <bz0b> what about sudo -s
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> bz0b: do you know about man?
[01:31] <bz0b> EasterSunshine: or --help
[01:31] <bz0b> EasterSunshine: yes I do
[01:31] <aeruder> bz0b: that's basically the difference between doing a su and a su -
[01:32] <Chipzz> the frustrating thing about this channel is that only the simple answers tend to get answered :P
[01:32] <aeruder> bz0b: su - = sudo -i , su = sudo -s
[01:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> i586 is for 64 architecture ? Seveas ?
[01:32] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, no
[01:32] <bz0b> aeruder: I see
[01:32] <bz0b> aeruder: Ok
[01:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> 684 is ?
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> bz0b: the man pages has what all the options do all listed for you in great depth
[01:32] <Seveas> if you need one for amd64, you can make one yourself
[01:32] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, what problems are you having ?
[01:32] <bz0b> EasterSunshine: ok
[01:32] <kemik> 586 = pentium
[01:32] <pet> hello.. some one can help me with 3ddesk??
[01:32] <pet> it s verry cool app
[01:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> Seveas, how :)?
[01:32] <Seveas> if you still have the .bin file lying around
[01:32] <spola> Chipzz, well feel free to step in :-)
[01:32] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: trying to figure out which package generates a file
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> well
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> yes
[01:33] <aeruder> Chipzz: ok, which file splash.xpm.gz ?
[01:33] <Chipzz> /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz , but I guess it's just copied there by some script
[01:33] <pet> how to  bind a shortcut
[01:33] <pet> ?
[01:33] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, ok, install the package: java-package
[01:33] <Seveas> (if it gives an error: enable mulitverse)
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> syntapic ?
[01:33] <Seveas> yes synaptic
[01:33] <Seveas> or apt-get :)
[01:33] <bjorn_ZZZ> I need to add your server :o?
[01:33] <Seveas> no
[01:33] <Chipzz> aeruder: it's the splash screen used by the kernels in the last colony #3 snapshots
[01:33] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, generates what file ?
[01:33] <pet> does some one know how to put a shortcut for 3ddesk?
[01:33] <tramm> okay, i'm trying to install xmms and its not letting me do this because i dont have a compiler installed. can anyone help?
[01:33] <EasterSunshine> i have yet to find a command that creates an empty file as root... `sudo echo "" > file` only echos as root
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> tramm: that's because you don't need to comile xmms
[01:34] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, sudo touch filename
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> tramm: run synaptic and use that to install xmms
[01:34] <bjorn_ZZZ> ok
[01:34] <Chipzz> I searched for that file on packages.ubuntu.org, no luck
[01:34] <Chadza> sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:34] <bjorn_ZZZ> its installed Seveas
[01:34] <EasterSunshine> tramm: xmms is in a precompiled deb somewhere in the repos
[01:34] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, ok, now go to a terminal
[01:34] <EasterSunshine> thx Seveas
[01:34] <Seveas> and run: fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk-domething.bin
[01:35] <bjorn_ZZZ> k
[01:35] <Seveas> replace the last parameter with the actual filename :)
[01:35] <Chipzz> so I guess it's like /vmlinuz etc, probably a link created there by some script/the installer
[01:35] <tristanmike> How do I mount a seperate drive to get files off?
[01:35] <black13> Seveas i want to do a smaller debootstrap many of the packages in ubuntu deboostrap i dont need ... i dont need ppp or wiptail or similar
[01:35] <Seveas> tristanmike, windows drive or linux?
[01:35] <bjorn_ZZZ> what does fakeroot do ?
[01:35] <bjorn_ZZZ> <== learning
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: mount /dev/device /mount/point -t auto
[01:35] <tristanmike> I assume windows, not that it has an os on it, just a storage drive
[01:35] <Seveas> it makes a program think it is root, while it actually is not
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: mount /dev/device /mount/point -t ntfs
[01:35] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
[01:36] <Seveas> great way to prevent stupid java installers from installing files all over the place
[01:36] <TRaCeR> im complete starter needing help
[01:36] <Seveas> tristanmike, if it is ntfs or fat:
[01:36] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: replace /dev/device with the acutal parititon
[01:36] <Seveas> tristanmike: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-amd64.bin
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> like this Seveas  ?
[01:36] <Seveas> yes
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> oke
[01:36] <spola> not sudo it?
[01:36] <TRaCeR> seveas from`
[01:36] <bjorn_ZZZ> what does make-jpkg do :>?
[01:36] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, that's just a grub theme file isn't it ?
[01:36] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: yes
[01:36] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, it creates a .deb from the .bin
[01:37] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: (I think so)
[01:37] <bjorn_ZZZ> ah
[01:37] <bjorn_ZZZ> k :)
[01:37] <tristanmike> Great, thanx guys
[01:37] <tristanmike> Much appreciated
[01:37] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: you have it working already?
[01:37] <tramm> gr. oh well. i gotta get into work. thanks for the help, people.
[01:37] <tramm> be well.
[01:37] <tristanmike> no
[01:37] <tristanmike> Just thanx for the advice
[01:37] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, they can get installed under gdmsetup (graphical greeter)
[01:37] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: high changes you will run into a wall, like sudo ls: permission denied
[01:37] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: apparently it's placed there by new installs, but I have been on hoary before it was released and upgraded my way to current breezy; and since it is apparently generated on install, I do not have it :/
[01:38] <Agamotto> Question:  How many here are using Cedega to run Win games?
[01:38] <tristanmike> EasterSunshine, sorry, I don't follow
[01:38] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: try mounting the ntfs. it usually wont work immediately
[01:39] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, with the script it does :)
[01:39] <Seveas> it's fool proof :)
[01:39] <tristanmike> EasterSunshine, is automatically NTFS becasue windows wrote to it?
[01:39] <bjorn_ZZZ> so does that work for other bins too Seveas ?
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: i've always had to pass -o umask=0222,gid=eastersunshine,uid=eastershine
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: it may be ntfs if winxp wrote it, otherwise fat32 for oldder windows versions
[01:39] <hmrocha> hello
[01:39] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, it works for all java bins
[01:40] <tristanmike> so it automatically creates the filesystem eh?
[01:40] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, did the command finish already?
[01:40] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: just ran sudo gdmsetup, choose a different theme, closed. ran sudo gdmsetup again, changed back, no luck :/
[01:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_amd64.deb
[01:40] <kemik> EasterSunshine:  he's gonna use a nice script that will setit up all automagixally
[01:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> right :)?
[01:40] <sjmorgan> can somebody please help me fix this grub "error 17" i get whenever i boot?
[01:40] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, that's breezy for you :)
[01:40] <kemik> sjmorgan:  think that means grub cant find your partition
[01:40] <carajean206> ok how do i remove nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings and nvidia-kernal-common packages?
[01:41] <sjmorgan> yeah but how do i fix it?
[01:41] <Scrawny1> hey guys is there a way to have only one task bar for everything instead of having 2?
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> Seveas, its finished and i think i installed it succesfully
[01:41] <carajean206> i have to do that for that guide someone sent me
[01:41] <jimw1956> Hi all...a new Ubuntu user here...this thing is awesome
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> i just ran the dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_amd64.deb command
[01:41] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: *hrmpf* :)
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> in Super user mode
[01:41] <Seveas> bjorn_ZZZ, nice :)
[01:41] <carajean206> oh also i have to install  the kernal headers?
[01:41] <sjmorgan> kemik, is it even finding the menu.lst?
[01:41] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, just drag the items on the bar you don't want, to the other bar
[01:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> so this works for azureus too :>
[01:41] <sjmorgan> kemik, whoever came up with the grub error messages should be shot
[01:41] <StickUpKid> hi
[01:41] <tristanmike> Seveas: that link you gave me, what do I save it as, "winmac_fstab"? then how do i run it, just type the name of the file while in the directory?
[01:41] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, if you can't drag them, right click them and uncheck "lock to panel"
[01:42] <kemik> sjmorgan:  not sure.. i had it once, so i rebooted and then all was fine
[01:42] <bob2> programs on unix are not run by typign their name in the dir they are in
[01:42] <jimw1956> hi stickup
[01:42] <bob2> ./foobar will work, tho
[01:42] <kemik> tristanmike:  go to the link
[01:42] <kemik> tristanmike:  and read
[01:42] <sjmorgan> kemik, i'm using linux, not windows. so rebooting doesn't magically fix it
[01:42] <StickUpKid> i have an nokia 6630 and i want put my pics on pc with usb...what program can i use to do that ?
[01:42] <kemik> sjmorgan:  im using linux too
[01:42] <sjmorgan> kemik, i was being sarcastic
[01:42] <bob2> sjmorgan: if a grub message is unclear, please file a bug...
[01:42] <kemik> sjmorgan:  oh :)
[01:42] <bob2> StickUpKid: gnokki, I'd guess
[01:43] <tristanmike> I don' follow....
[01:43] <StickUpKid> thanks bob2
[01:43] <black13> aeruder hey thanks lets chat off to the side
[01:43] <tristanmike> *don't
[01:43] <Scrawny1> no I want to totally elimate the bottom pannel and have only one pannel for everything
[01:43] <sjmorgan> bob2, if the developers think simply printing "Error 17" is cool then i really can't help them
[01:43] <bob2> tristanmike: which part is confusing?
[01:43] <black13> aeruder what about installation?
[01:43] <sjmorgan> as they clearly haven't got a fucking clue
[01:43] <bob2> sjmorgan: you can by filing a bug and asking they clarify it
[01:43] <bob2> what an awesome attitude
[01:43] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, just right click the panel and delete it
[01:43] <DukGalNamu> can someone give me a apt source?
[01:43] <EasterSunshine> sjmorgan: language...
[01:43] <tristanmike> bob2: you were joking with ./foobar?
[01:44] <bob2> DukGalNamu: you have lots in /etc/apt/sources.list already
[01:44] <bob2> tristanmike: no?
[01:44] <DukGalNamu> bob2: not in this one
[01:44] <Scrawny1> will all my prgrams go to the top pannel?
[01:44] <EasterSunshine> tristanmike: foobar is used as a placeholder in examples
[01:44] <Seveas> !sources
[01:44] <bob2> tristanmike: "foobar" obviously should be replaced with the name of the program you want to run
[01:44] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:44] <DukGalNamu> bob2: all ihave is the cd
[01:44] <Seveas> ^-- DukGalNamu
[01:44] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, but you should first drag the task bar to the panel you want
[01:44] <StickUpKid> is there any foobar version to gnu/linux ?
[01:44] <tristanmike> bob2: lol, I'm stupid
[01:44] <sjmorgan> that's beside the point, i can't even boot the frigging system so i really need to get that fixed first
[01:44] <bob2> DukGalNamu: then you still have lots in that file, you just need to enable them
[01:44] <EasterSunshine> bob2: that may not be obvious to everyone
[01:44] <mobarmeg> hi
[01:44] <sjmorgan> and yet i don't see anyone helping
[01:44] <bob2> Scrawny1: not unless you add the window list applet to the top panel
[01:44] <mobarmeg> can any one help?
[01:44] <tristanmike> bob: never seen that used before, that's why
[01:45] <bob2> tristanmike: ah, I see
[01:45] <mobarmeg> i want to dial to a server that supports NT RAS
[01:45] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, do you see a vertical bar next to the "show desktop icon" ?
[01:45] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: thx for the effort anyway :)
[01:45] <mobarmeg> i dial to it, then it dialback to me
[01:45] <Scrawny1> yes
[01:45] <mobarmeg> any help?
[01:45] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, right click it and uncheck "lock to panel"
[01:45] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, good luck
[01:45] <Chipzz> guess I'll hack the source of the installer apart one of these days ;P
[01:46] <Seveas> mv /proc/Seveas /dev/bed
[01:46] <Chipzz> !grep++ :)
[01:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Chipzz
[01:46] <Seveas> 'night all!
[01:46] <bob2> sjmorgan: I can't see where you explained what caused that error
[01:46] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, when you're done, drag that bar to the top panel
[01:46] <Nexinarus> hmm my dcgui package doesnt work any more :S
[01:46] <jimw1956> Is there a driver for the current Ubuntu version for a lucent winmodem?
[01:46] <Nexinarus> worked first time, then stopped working
[01:46] <Chipzz> ubotu: grep = nice tool
[01:46] <ubotu> Chipzz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:46] <bob2> Nexinarus: "doesn't work"?
[01:46] <Chipzz> :)
[01:46] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, it worked?
[01:46] <EasterSunshine> hmm...i didn't notice bob2 was an op and i asked him to watch his language...
[01:46] <Nexinarus> doesnt start up
[01:46] <Chipzz> silly bot :)
[01:46] <Chipzz> anyway :P
[01:46] <Nexinarus> no console messages,
[01:46] <Scrawny1> yes it did
[01:47] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, you can drag all the applets you want
[01:47] <Scrawny1> now I want to put my desktops up there aswell
[01:47] <bob2> EasterSunshine: language?
[01:47] <sjmorgan> bob2, i moved all my linux partitions to an extended rather than primary partition and it's clear that the partition info is now now longer in sync with that of grub. really what i want to know is simply how to install up-to-date info for grub to use.
[01:47] <bob2> Scrawny1: then add the virtual desktyop switch applet there too
[01:47] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, do the same for everything you want
[01:47] <bob2> it seems entirely reasonable that grub failed then
[01:47] <hmrocha> Scrawny1, right click on the desktops, unlock and drag
[01:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> whats the command to run alsa mixer again ?
[01:47] <EasterSunshine> bob2: oh nvm me, i told someone else to watch his/her language, i'm being stupid right now
[01:47] <bob2> also, stating "I completekt rearranged my hard disk" in your original question would have saved time, too
[01:48] <kemik> sjmorgan:  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00192.html
[01:48] <sjmorgan> bob2, define "failed"?
[01:48] <kemik> sjmorgan:  not sure it helps you though
[01:48] <bob2> sjmorgan: you've edited the grub command line to match the new partition names?
[01:48] <sjmorgan> bob2, i think i simply need to point grub at the new location of menu.lst
[01:48] <Scrawny1> excellent :)
[01:48] <sjmorgan> bob2, that's really what i need to know
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> whats the command to run alsa mixer again ?
[01:48] <funkyHat> bjorn_ZZZ, alsamixer
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> ah
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> lol
[01:48] <kemik> sjmorgan:  nvm my post.. i see now that its not longer needed ;)
[01:48] <funkyHat> :)
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> i typed alsa
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> -_-
[01:48] <Nexinarus> heh
[01:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> thanks anyway funkyHat  :>
[01:48] <bob2> sjmorgan: did you manually edit the command line in grub or not?
[01:49] <sjmorgan> kemik, i've read<PHONE_NUMBER>3 posts like that and none helped hence my coming on here, thanks though
[01:49] <sjmorgan> bob2, i cannot get a grub command line
[01:49] <bob2> sjmorgan: this will hopefully allow you to boot, then you can fix the grub configuration
[01:49] <sjmorgan> bob2, it simply spits out that stupid error and does nothing else
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> how would i go about installing ubuntu or debian over a netwirj?
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> netwirj?
[01:49] <bob2> sjmorgan: when you tap esc oevr and over during boot?
[01:49] <Nexinarus> what error again, sjmorgan?
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> network?
[01:49] <DukGalNamu> :P
[01:49] <sjmorgan> Nexinarus, "Error 17"
[01:49] <rosa> i really need help with setting up my netork... i got a cross wire network cable, hooked from a laptop with WLAN to a PC both running with ubuntu, i give them as i read in the wiki bout hookin up networks, but i still can't get the PC to start up in the internet
[01:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> anyone using a audigy 2 zs ?
[01:50] <bob2> DukGalNamu: does your hardware support pxe?
[01:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> should i enable all the emu tables ?
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, what do you mean? i think i tried hitting Esc after the error and it did nothing
[01:50] <DukGalNamu> bob2: pxe?
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, i hit a bunch of keys
[01:50] <EasterSunshine> bjorn_ZZZ: i am using it, but i used kmix to make it work, sry
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, do i need to do it before the error?
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> bjorn_ZZZ,  yes - they work fine.. ive never messed with any emu-tables that i am aware of.
[01:50] <DukGalNamu> bob2: the mobo supports network boot
[01:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> Dr_Willis, oke so just enable all of them ?
[01:50] <DukGalNamu> bob2: if thats what you mean?
[01:50] <bob2> sjmorgan: so, you've never booted into grub's ui before?  yes, you need ot hit esc before it gets to the error
[01:50] <bob2> DukGalNamu: "network boot" is not a specific term, PXE is what i386 systems generally use
[01:50] <rosa> can anybody help me out
[01:50] <sjmorgan> bob2, yes i have but i can't do it currently because of that error
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> bjorn_ZZZ,  i got no idea what you even mean.  by 'emu tables'
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> uehm
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> when i type
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> alsamixer
[01:51] <sjmorgan> bob2, ok i'll try that and see how it goes brb
[01:51] <carajean206> welp whoever sent me that ubuntu nvidia guide that was thee most useless piece of info
[01:51] <bjorn_ZZZ> and then the emu10k1 controls
[01:51] <bob2> DukGalNamu: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch04s05.html
[01:51] <bob2> carajean206: awesomeattitude.  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> i found the binary driver howto to do what i needed.
[01:51] <DukGalNamu> bob2: also, is a amd duron 950 a k6?
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> for my nvidia system
[01:52] <Nexinarus> hmm i think because i installed dcgui & dcgui-qt, at the same time, it borked both of them..
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Willis: no it's a K7
[01:52] <rosa> anybody out there
[01:52] <bob2> DukGalNamu: no
[01:52] <bjorn_ZZZ> Dr_Willis, did you read dthe one from jones
[01:52] <bjorn_ZZZ> i mean tomm
[01:52] <bjorn_ZZZ> :o
[01:52] <bob2> Nexinarus: that's highly unlikely
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> lol.
[01:52] <Nexinarus> well, i removed them and reinstalled them - dcgui-qt forgets the settings, and dcgui-qt wont load anything
[01:53] <sam__> wooot i got skype going
[01:53] <kemik> Nexinarus:  may i recommend DC++ instead?
[01:53] <Nexinarus> for linux?
[01:53] <kemik> Nexinarus:  yes
[01:53] <Nexinarus> wow theres a linux version? ima check it out
[01:53] <DukGalNamu> bob2: what is it then?
[01:54] <bob2> DukGalNamu: a k7
[01:54] <carajean206> bob2 already been to that site
[01:54] <bob2> carajean206: and?
[01:54] <Scrawny1> ok thx guys it worked :)
[01:54] <bob2> carajean206: saying "doesn't work" is not a useful way to get help
[01:55] <eduardo> i whant install the plugin flash in firefox
[01:55] <Agamotto> Can anyone here help with getting sound configured properly with Cedega?
[01:55] <kemik> Nexinarus:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[01:55] <bob2> eduardo: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:55] <DukGalNamu> bob2: damn thats complicated...
[01:55] <bob2> Agamotto: #cedega would be a better place to ask
[01:55] <Nexinarus> thnx kemik
[01:56] <Agamotto> Ok, danke
[01:56] <DukGalNamu> bob2: all this just because the dcrom is fried
[01:56] <kemik> Nexinarus:  np.. just did it myself 3hours ago
[01:56] <apokryphos> Is there a reason for why the Win-key would suddenly stop working?
[01:56] <kemik> !dc
[01:56] <ubotu> kemik: Syntax error in line 1
[01:56] <bob2> apokryphos: "stop working" = ?
[01:56] <bob2> not return a key hit at all?  not return the one it used to?  not do what it used to do?
[01:56] <carajean206> ok by doesnt work i mean i have followed every guide on google and on the forums and i do as they say and then restart and no gnome just console. im sorry im being short its just i have been working on this all day
[01:56] <kemik> !ubotu dc is get DC++ for linuxhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[01:56] <ubotu> okay, kemik
[01:57] <kemik> ubotu forget dc
[01:57] <ubotu> kemik: i forgot dc
[01:57] <apokryphos> bob2: doesn't seem to respond at all. I had several shortcuts for it, and they don't seem to work anymore; this was on hoary, but problem still happens now on breezy
[01:57] <kemik> !ubotu dc is get DC++ for linux http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[01:57] <ubotu> okay, kemik
[01:57] <bob2> carajean206: so, ignore all of them, and undo everything you have done
[01:57] <kemik> good boy
[01:57] <bob2> carajean206: then read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, and come back if it doesn't work
[01:57] <bjorn_ZZZ> how can i add a icon file
[01:57] <bjorn_ZZZ> for my programms
[01:57] <bob2> apokryphos: what does "xev" (run from an xterm) say when you hit it?
[01:57] <bjorn_ZZZ> when its not in the list
[01:57] <kemik> !tell kemik about dc
[01:58] <carajean206> im back i tried that one earlier before u told me about it
[01:58] <noplease> hi
[01:58] <bob2> carajean206: you actually undid everything you did before?
[01:58] <bob2> forgive me if I'm doubtful
[01:58] <apokryphos> bob2: in a terminal? No such command
[01:58] <bjorn_ZZZ> nvrmind
[01:58] <bjorn_ZZZ> found it
[01:58] <bob2> yay breezy
[01:59] <carajean206> no i dont know how to im still a newb uninstalling in linux is not somethin i know
[01:59] <bob2> so
[01:59] <ray_> linux people and windows people cant play enemy-territory together?
[01:59] <apokryphos> bob2: what's the device for it in /dev? I figure I can cat to see if X recognises it at all
[01:59] <bob2> when someone asks you to do something, and yo udon't know how, please don't lie
[01:59] <apokryphos> bob2: sorry, for the keyboard that is.
[01:59] <bob2> that's just stupid and makes it impossible to help you
[01:59] <bob2> apokryphos: there isn't one, afaik
[01:59] <apokryphos> :|
[02:00] <apokryphos> I thought everything, even devices, were files in Linux
[02:00] <bob2> no
[02:00] <bob2> a lot of things are
[02:00] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:00] <bjorn_ZZZ> nope that didn't work
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> how can i add a icon/emblem when its not in the list?
[02:01] <Firetech> apokryphos: AFAIK, the /dev stuff are just kind of links to devices
[02:01] <Nexinarus> i got told you cant square root negative numbers, but that was wrong :p
[02:01] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, install 'smeg', handy little menu config tool in the repos
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> k
[02:01] <bob2> Firetech: not really
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar, and where can i find it
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> when its installed
[02:01] <bob2> they're direct access to bits of the kernel IO stuff
[02:01] <bjorn_ZZZ> graphic ?
[02:01] <sjmorgan> bob2, hitting Esc repeatedly and holding Esc does nothing
[02:02] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, under applications -> system tools
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> I need a other repos
[02:02] <Firetech> bob2: kind of links :P
[02:02] <apokryphos> bob2: so what's with the xev? What should I do?
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> It doesn't show up
[02:02] <bjorn_ZZZ> =/
[02:02] <bob2> apokryphos: have to go find the version from hoary and install it manually, I guess
[02:02] <dalamar> hm worked for me, do you have multi and universe enabled?
[02:02] <aqua> anyone here run amarok
[02:03] <bob2> breezy really ain't ready for production
[02:03] <bjorn_ZZZ> wait
[02:03] <apokryphos> bob2: ok
[02:03] <bjorn_ZZZ> i'll look
[02:03] <apokryphos> aqua: yes
[02:03] <bob2> sjmorgan: ok, time to find a boot disk then
[02:03] <aqua> apokryphos; it keeps saying it cant play mp3 files
[02:03] <aqua> apokryphos; would you know a package im missing ? :x
[02:03] <apokryphos> aqua: akode-mpeg?
[02:03] <sjmorgan> bob2, what do you think i'm using?
[02:03] <bob2> sjmorgan: what are you talking about?
[02:03] <apokryphos> bob2: all xev packs seem to be in breezy; I'll just get them from repos
[02:03] <aqua> ahh thnx
[02:04] <bob2> sjmorgan: when I say hit escape, I mean "boot your normal system and hit escape to get into the grub menu"
[02:04] <bob2> sjmorgan: now I want you to go download a live cd or tomsrootbt and use that to boot
[02:04] <Fingolfinn> it seems my hopes of wireless connectivity have been dashed, or otherwise maimed
[02:05] <sjmorgan> bob2, what do you mean "normal system", this *is* my normal system
[02:05] <sjmorgan> bob2, i'm running the livecd right now
[02:05] <Fingolfinn> apple airport express cards aren't easily supported
[02:05] <Fingolfinn> very true
[02:06] <apokryphos> Fingolfinn: just finished Silmarillion; great stuff :)
[02:06] <aqua> hmm
[02:06] <Fingolfinn> yeah bloody awesome
[02:06] <Fingolfinn> :D
[02:06] <bob2> sjmorgan: okie dokie, just fix it then
[02:06] <bob2> sjmorgan: chroot into your system, fix menu.lsy and rerun grub-install
[02:06] <sjmorgan> bob2, how?
[02:06] <sjmorgan> bob2, how do i chroot?
[02:07] <apokryphos> !chroot
[02:07] <ubotu> I don't know, apokryphos
[02:07] <apokryphos> hm
[02:07] <aqua> ok
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar,
[02:07] <aqua> thanks apokryphos
[02:07] <Scrawny1> hey guys how do I create a new new program switcher notification thingy?
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> can you post your sourceslist
[02:07] <aqua> had to configure it then it starrted :)
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> on a pastebin ?
[02:07] <apokryphos> aqua: it works?
[02:07] <bjorn_ZZZ> maybe i missed one
[02:07] <aqua> yeah
[02:07] <apokryphos> cool
[02:07] <aqua> crashes ;)
[02:07] <Fingolfinn> have any of you had success using an Airport extreme card with ubuntu linux?
[02:07] <sjmorgan> bob2, how do i chroot?
[02:08] <bob2> sjmorgan: mount your root partition, sudo chroot /wherever/you/mounted/it/
[02:08] <apokryphos> aqua: what version are you using?
[02:08] <bob2> please don't be so needy
[02:08] <Nexinarus> just look at docs for chroot
[02:08] <Nexinarus> ie..
[02:08] <aqua> 1.2.3
[02:08] <Nexinarus> chroot --help
[02:08] <aqua> -1ubuntu4
[02:08] <Rossmiester> i just had one question with dual-booting ubuntu and windows.  Don't worry, I already have it working, just a couple of things.
[02:08] <aqua> if you click the graphical output twice it crashes
[02:08] <sjmorgan> i can't help it, i'm clutching at straws here
[02:08] <apokryphos> aqua: and it crashes when you start it up, or just configure?
[02:08] <apokryphos> aqua: graphical output?
[02:09] <aqua> the umm
[02:09] <aqua> visual
[02:09] <Nexinarus> kemik: sweet thanks for that pointer, linux dc++ works great so far :D
[02:09] <apokryphos> aqua: ah. The default one or the extra libvisual one (from the menu)?
[02:09] <Rossmiester> one is how can you edit a grub menu, when you save it to a floppy (booting with NT boot loader)
[02:09] <apokryphos> default = one next to play etc
[02:09] <apokryphos> or are you using "xmms mode"?
[02:10] <aqua> apokryphos; default
[02:10] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: What do you mean, "linux dc++"?
[02:10] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1493
[02:10] <apokryphos> aqua: xmms or amarok/juk style?
[02:10] <aqua> apokryphos; yeah
[02:10] <aqua> xmms
[02:10] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: Just running DC++ in WINE, or a separate program?
[02:11] <aqua> apokryphos; its really ok for now, this beats xmms ;)
[02:11] <apokryphos> aqua: Hm, didn't test that so not sure if there's a genuine bug there
[02:11] <sjmorgan> root@ubuntu:~ # grub-install /dev/sda
[02:11] <sjmorgan> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[02:11] <sjmorgan> that doesn't look very good
[02:11] <sjmorgan> fortunately update-grub worked ok
[02:11] <apokryphos> aqua: it's a shame to even compare the two :P
[02:11] <sjmorgan> but i think earlier stages are the problem :(
[02:11] <aqua> apokryphos; haha
[02:11] <apokryphos> still, the xmms mode is evil, though I did use that at first too
[02:11] <bob2> sjmorgan: do you have a seperate /boot artition?
[02:12] <sjmorgan> bob2, nope
[02:12] <aqua> apokryphos; well im looking at zinf too
[02:12] <sjmorgan> i have a / and /home
[02:12] <aqua> apokryphos; im really actually hating the whole library mode, i want to add all the new dj sets i download and listen to just those :x
[02:12] <apokryphos> aqua: never tried it; installing now...
[02:12] <sjmorgan> that's all apart from swap
[02:12] <[EasterSunshine] > oh noes...ls /dev|grep hd gave me 168 thingies...how do i find which one is the ntfs partition i wish to mount...?
[02:12] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : by telling us which one you want to mount
[02:12] <[EasterSunshine] > there are 8 hdds, each has 20 partitions?
[02:12] <apokryphos> aqua: I'm a little confused; could you explain?
[02:12] <sjmorgan> bob2, ahh maybe fstab is a problem
[02:13] <sjmorgan> bob2, that will be out of date as well
[02:13] <[EasterSunshine] > i only have two hdds inside, with 3 and 1 partitions respectively
[02:13] <aqua> apokryphos; the 'library' stile of looking at your musiuc
[02:13] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : and the one you want to mount is...
[02:13] <apokryphos> aqua: zinf looks a little... limited so far :P
[02:13] <sjmorgan> bob2, wtf, when i try to edit it with vim it just freezes
[02:13] <aqua> apokryphos; heh
[02:14] <Nexinarus> paulproteus: DC++ ported to linux
[02:14] <[EasterSunshine] > the only one parition on the master on the secondy ide
[02:14] <apokryphos> aqua: not sure what you mean. You talking about the playlist?
[02:14] <[EasterSunshine] > would that be hdc1?
[02:14] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: Oh, URL?
[02:14] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : /dev/hdc1
[02:14] <bob2> [EasterSunshine] : yes
[02:14] <Nexinarus> paulproteus: see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084, it's incredibly easy to follow to install
[02:14] <Nexinarus> i just did it then, and im a complete noob heh
[02:14] <Nexinarus> works fucking fantastic
[02:15] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: Awesome! :)
[02:15] <Fingolfinn> is ubuntu without a working internet connection, particularly disabled?
[02:15] <Nexinarus> Fingolfinn: for adding programs, yeah
[02:15] <Fingolfinn> blast
[02:15] <Nexinarus> but for personal work, its not bad
[02:16] <Nexinarus> you can get around it, though
[02:16] <Nexinarus> download the packages outside of you're pc
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> for gaining a working knowledge of the operating system, it's okay?
[02:16] <Nexinarus> yeah
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> kewl
[02:16] <Nexinarus> you can spend days looking around heh
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> the man pages should tell me what i need to know
[02:16] <Fingolfinn> ach i'm a dreadfull noob
[02:17] <Nexinarus> me too
[02:17] <Nexinarus> finally got my whole system running just the way i want :D
[02:17] <Fingolfinn> cool
[02:17] <bob2> man pages are more intended for unix users who want to know what a particular program does
[02:17] <bob2> they're not very useful for people comign from windows
[02:17] <Fingolfinn> ah
[02:17] <EasterSunshine> man pages are quick references or reminders
[02:17] <bob2> yeah
[02:17] <Fingolfinn> I however, am coming from Mac OS X 10.4.2 :D
[02:17] <Nexinarus> i like in the console doing: program --help
[02:18] <bob2> if you're used to the shell in OS X, tho, you'll be fine
[02:18] <EasterSunshine> i like asking you guys :)
[02:18] <Fingolfinn> got basic knowledge of the terminal
[02:18] <bob2> and well ahead of people coming from windows, too
[02:18] <Nexinarus> heh
[02:18] <Fingolfinn> hehehe
[02:18] <Fingolfinn> we call it Winblowz
[02:18] <Nexinarus> i got pushed away from linux a few years ago, looking at old versions of redhat and mandrake,
[02:18] <EasterSunshine> some of us call it Doze
[02:18] <aqua> oh why is hoary still running firefox 1.0.2
[02:19] <Fingolfinn> massive piece of bloatware
[02:19] <bob2> aqua: it's not
[02:19] <aqua> when 1.0.2->1.0.6 were clearly security updates
[02:19] <Nexinarus> just update it then?
[02:19] <aqua> mine is
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar,
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> still nothing
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> :/
[02:19] <EasterSunshine> thats because 1.0.6 is a security update from 1.0.2
[02:19] <Nexinarus> i think you gotta add some repositories,
[02:19] <bjorn_ZZZ> wierd Oo
[02:19] <bob2> aqua: then update already, 1.0.6 is in hoary-security
[02:19] <aqua> ok
[02:20] <aqua> figured it would have done that the first 3 times i did update/upgrade
[02:20] <bob2> aqua: and it's not "clearly security updates" it's a "ton of fixes for various things, that utterly break compatbility with previous versions and their extensions"
[02:20] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, your doing a search of all packages for "smeg"?
[02:20] <bob2> aqua: perhaps you forgot to tell apt to use online security repositories
[02:20] <Fingolfinn> what i'm trying to do basically is a get a functional working knowledge of ubuntu linux, to answer any questions thrown at me over the phone job screening from Google
[02:20] <aqua> bob2; well even debian does that on its onw
[02:21] <bjorn_ZZZ> dalamar,
[02:21] <Fingolfinn> i'll probably end up being a parts swapper but oh well, Google ownz
[02:21] <bjorn_ZZZ> even if i look for "smeg" in everything
[02:21] <bjorn_ZZZ> it doesn't find anything
[02:21] <bob2> aqua: and ubuntu works identically in that regard
[02:21] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, dont know what to tell you, it was right there in synaptic for me
[02:22] <bjorn_ZZZ> wierd
[02:22] <bjorn_ZZZ> maybe its because i'm on a amd 64 release ?
[02:22] <aqua> bob2; yeah its in my sources.list
[02:22] <dalamar> did you refresh the package list in synaptic? it could maybe be because of the 64 release
[02:22] <caliminus> where synaptic get its files after downloading them
[02:22] <aqua> ok it got updated
[02:22] <aqua> :x
[02:23] <apokryphos> caliminus: they get put into /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:23] <caliminus> thanks
[02:23] <hardw1re> ok, i am understanding that certain things wont work on the x86_64 without the 32bit version librarys installed. so does anyone know what packages i need to look at installing for cedega to show opengl, and 3D acceleration support?
[02:24] <bjorn_ZZZ> i did dalamar
[02:24] <bob2> if you want to use 32-bit windows apps, install the ubuntu i386 port
[02:24] <bjorn_ZZZ> apt-get update
[02:24] <bob2> it will save you a lot of time
[02:24] <bob2> and us
[02:25] <dalamar> bjorn_ZZZ, dunno then, I got the info off ubuntuguide.org and it worked fine for me
[02:25] <hardw1re> whats the bloody point in experimenting with linux then
[02:25] <BodaciousB> if i do "sudo chmod -r 777 /usr/share/games" in the console, will it screw me over?
[02:25] <biscuit_> Does anyone use kppp?
[02:26] <EasterSunshine> `sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop` leaves two apache2 processes running, is it okay to sudo killall them?
[02:26] <bob2> hardw1re: what?
[02:26] <zukalk> BodaciousB, do you mean -R or -r?
[02:27] <bob2> hardw1re: if you care about legacy applications, install the i386 port on your machine
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> whats the apt command for searching packages
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> btw
[02:27] <EasterSunshine> BodaciousB: that will not screw you over, it'll jsut give anyone read/write permissions to evetrything duner that dir
[02:27] <zukalk> bjorn_ZZZ, apt-cache search [pkg]
[02:27] <bob2> bjorn_ZZZ: apt-cache search blah
[02:27] <EasterSunshine> BodaciousB: apparently, its highly discouraged
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> k thanks
[02:27] <bjorn_ZZZ> :)
[02:27] <BodaciousB> EasterSunshine, yeah i know, but the game i installed isnt working, so ill try this
[02:28] <BodaciousB> EasterSunshine, using chmod before, i had all the icons on my computer turn to X's, needless to say it didnt boot back up!
[02:28] <EasterSunshine> BodaciousB: the games folder isn't all that important...it's a different story if you do it to /etc
[02:29] <StickUpKid> hi, i am with an problem but it's just on xchat... some letters appears like this..
[02:30] <BodaciousB> EasterSunshine, thats what i was figuring, thanks for the help
[02:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:30] <Ice9> how can I get "libavcodec2"
[02:30] <dalamar> snatch! ;)
[02:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> now i see smeg
[02:30] <bjorn_ZZZ> but its getting me an error
[02:31] <bob2> bjorn_ZZZ: so, no one but you can see your screen, so you need to tell us about the error
[02:31] <EasterSunshine> two questions: is `invoke-rc.d apache2 restart` and similar commands ubuntu-only or is that a general linux thing? and why doesn't `invoke-rc.d apache2 stop` stop apache2?
[02:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> required python-xdg (>=0.14) but  0.9-1 is installed
[02:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> but when I do a search for xdg
[02:32] <bjorn_ZZZ> it only lets mee see 0.9-1
[02:32] <Ice9> how can I get "libavcodec2"
[02:34] <snorks> ghi
[02:34] <snorks> hi
[02:35] <nox> hi i have a problem with keyboard shortcuts
[02:36] <EasterSunshine> something that is not apache2 is binded to my port 80...
[02:36] <EasterSunshine> nox: just ask :)
[02:36] <nox> ok :)
[02:36] <snorks> !mx 700
[02:36] <ubotu> snorks: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:36] <snorks> ubotu: no
[02:36] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, snorks
[02:36] <nox> hmm, sometimes im using a language which is not english on the keyboard
[02:37] <nox> and when i use keyboard shortcuts, it won`t work.
[02:37] <nox> i mean CTRL+C for copying and such
[02:37] <nox> is there any solution to this problem ?
[02:37] <snorks> nox: ctrl+c is in most cases (in a terminal) a way to break an operation
[02:38] <nox> snorks, yeah but im talking about every keyboard shortcut, not only this
[02:38] <bob2> EasterSunshine: they're a Debian-derived-distribution thing, not a general Linux/Unix thing
[02:38] <bob2> EasterSunshine: it will only stop it if you started it with the init script
[02:38] <snorks> nox: give a specific example
[02:38] <nox> and i know why this problem occures. thats because CTRL+C is not like CTRL+<other language letter>
[02:39] <BodaciousB> how do i remove a full directry?
[02:39] <EasterSunshine> bob2: thx, and my third problem? =/
[02:39] <snorks> nox: ok
[02:39] <Subvertir> bob2, can you unban me from #Debian?
[02:39] <Subvertir> I'm really not a troll =(
[02:39] <bob2> EasterSunshine: find out what's binding it
[02:39] <Velox> BodaciousB: rm -rf directory
[02:39] <bob2> Subvertir: /msg
[02:39] <BodaciousB> Velox, thank you
[02:39] <snorks> nox: ive never had this proble, tho id like to know how you got it. I want some way to switch between english and norwegian keyboard layout
[02:40] <nox> snorks you didnt understand my problem i guess =\
[02:40] <nox> i know how to switch between the keyboard layouts
[02:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> i found the debian package i needed
[02:40] <nox> but when im using layout other than english, the keyboard shortcuts wont work
[02:40] <EasterSunshine> they talk like a whole different language in #debian
[02:40] <bjorn_ZZZ> how do i install deb packages :o?
[02:40] <socomm> bjorn_ZZZ: `man dpkg'
[02:40] <nox> bjorn_ZZZ, dpkg -i <pkg.deb>
[02:41] <snorks> nox: I guess I didn't :/
[02:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> -i = install ?
[02:41] <nox> snorks -> now you understand
[02:41] <socomm> bjorn_ZZZ: RTFM.
[02:41] <bjorn_ZZZ> :)
[02:41] <nox> bjorn_ZZZ, -i = incredible, as in The Incredible dpkg! just kidding, yeah, install
[02:41] <Subvertir> Can someone with an optical mouse msg me with the output of lsmod (or pastebin it)?
[02:42] <nox> Subvertir, ok, wait a sec
[02:42] <ed__> is there a mysql program on Ubuntu?
[02:42] <Subvertir> sure, thx
[02:42] <nox> ed__ -> mysql-server ?
[02:42] <socomm> bjorn_ZZZ: I believe you can also use synaptic to install debs, never tried it myself though.
[02:42] <ed__> ya
[02:42] <nox> ed__ -> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[02:42] <nox> :P
[02:42] <ed__> thanks
[02:42] <nox> Subvertir, what exactly are you looking for ?
[02:43] <ed__> how do you set the sudo password, i forgot
[02:43] <Subvertir> nox, I dunno how to get this optical mouse working... it's detected when I start, and psmouse is loaded, but when I start X it doesn't work
[02:43] <nox> ed__ -> the sudo password is your username password
[02:43] <ed__> ok
[02:43] <Subvertir> I've got X set to look at /dev/psaux and protocol set to IMPS/2
[02:44] <ed__> is there anything else to do to get the mysql server up and running?
[02:44] <nox> ed__ -> no
[02:44] <ed__> nice
[02:44] <ed__> thanks
[02:44] <Subvertir> ed__, obligatory SQLite plug: sqlite rules =)
[02:44] <nox> Subvertir, what mouse ?
[02:44] <Subvertir> It's an el cheapo optical mouse from wal-mart
[02:45] <Razor-X> brb, i'm gonna flush the logs of this channel
[02:45] <nox> USB or cordless ?
[02:45] <Subvertir> PS/2
[02:45] <nox> oh, psaux, forgot :)
[02:45] <bjorn_ZZZ> hmm
[02:45] <Subvertir> yeh I'm stuck in the 20th century =)
[02:45] <bjorn_ZZZ> i need to deinstall python before i can make that app work
[02:45] <bjorn_ZZZ> :(
[02:46] <dalamar> i dont know what you've got going there but synaptic installed it with no errors and only one dependency which went fine
[02:46] <bjorn_ZZZ> werll
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> it says i need python something greater then 0.9.1
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> i downloaded the deb file
[02:47] <dalamar> why not just use synaptic?
[02:47] <Razor-X> there we are
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> but the deb file needs python something <2.4
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> Because dalamar
[02:47] <Razor-X> what FS does the iPod default to?
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> It won't let me install it
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> =)(
[02:47] <bjorn_ZZZ> =(
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: it comes with HFS
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> HFS+ even
[02:47] <dalamar> some config is messed up or something then
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> I reformatted mine to FAT32
[02:47] <Razor-X> does the x86 Ubuntu kernel support HFS+
[02:47] <MrPockets> what plugin do i need for videos on XMMS?
[02:48] <Razor-X> and, second question, can the iPod firmware take FAT32?
[02:48] <bjorn_ZZZ> maybe it doesn't support the dutch version ?
[02:48] <ed__> ive got mysql on my computer but how do i access it? lol
[02:48] <EasterSunshine> looks like it can't create a resource in the x server for itself if its run by root
[02:49] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: try ``kdesu kate''
[02:49] <ed__> can anyone tell me how to use the mysql server software (its installed)
[02:49] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: wow thx! that did the trick. kdesu sounds japanese if you read it as k-desu instead of kde-su ^_^
[02:50] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: meh
[02:50] <Razor-X> ke-de-su ;)
[02:50] <Razor-X> 33 MB of logs of this channel
[02:50] <EasterSunshine> time to edit (and destroy perhaps) my configuration files under /etc
[02:50] <Razor-X> wow, that's a lot of logs I have :)
[02:51] <bob2> Razor-X: there's an irssi plugi nto automatically bzip2 then on rotation
[02:51] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: ach! you have reminded me to clear my logs! thx a lot!
[02:51] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: my system's total slowdown tells me it's time to flush the logs :)
[02:51] <Razor-X> when I load 17 MB into RAM, it's not funny
[02:51] <Razor-X> bob2: good idea, I think i'll bz2 my logs
[02:54] <flickerfly|home> Firefox keeps freezing up on me when I have a few tabs open. Anyone know what is causing this?
[02:54] <EasterSunshine> bz2, do you know how its compression compares with solid rars?
[02:54] <Razor-X> i'm pretty confident bz2 is better than RAR
[02:54] <bob2> probably about the same
[02:54] <bob2> rzip will spank them both
[02:54] <Razor-X> 7z is one of the few formats better than bz2
[02:55] <EasterSunshine> flickerfly|home: maybe a bad looping javascript?
[02:55] <mae> rar isnt better tahn bz2?
[02:55] <flickerfly|home> EasterSunshine: It doesn't seem to be related to a certain site. It has happened all over the place and only a few minutes in
[02:55] <Razor-X> mae: nopes, not in my opinion
[02:55] <crimsun> paulproteus: what seems to correct that?
[02:55] <Razor-X> flickerfly|home: you tried reinstalling?
[02:55] <FortMax> !sound
[02:55] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[02:55] <EasterSunshine> bob2: rzip is the best you know of? regardless of speed?
[02:56] <Razor-X> hmmmm, does bz2 take stdin from grepped ls commands?
[02:56] <flickerfly|home> Razor-X: not yet, that seemed like a cop out :-)
[02:56] <Razor-X> flickerfly|home: meh
[02:56] <bob2> EasterSunshine: rzip is slow and memory-hungry, but I don't know of a better compressor
[02:56] <Razor-X> bob2: jack up 7z to highest compression on a 486 and you'll know what ``slow'' means :)
[02:56] <bob2> it's by the same person who wrote rsync and samba (tridge)
[02:57] <Razor-X> and that, an 800 MB group of files
[02:57] <Kyral> bob2 EasterSunshine: rzip is slow and memory-hungry, but I don't know of a better compressor <---Basically set it to run overnight :P
[02:57] <flickerfly|home> Razor-X: I like a challenge.
[02:58] <firez> In what dir. are the default apps of ubuntu (ex: firefox) installed?
[02:58] <bob2> firez: by default, most binaries are in /usr/bin/
[02:58] <firez> thanks
[02:58] <bob2> that's not where most of firefox is, tho
[02:58] <firez> I'm trying to update firefox to 1.0.6
[02:58] <bob2> dude
[02:58] <bob2> stop
[02:59] <bob2> firez: do not do what you're about to do
[02:59] <firez> why?
[02:59] <bob2> firez: firefox in hoary is already 1.0.6
[02:59] <bob2> because you'll break your system
[02:59] <firez> no is 1.0.3
[02:59] <Kyral> !backports
[02:59] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[02:59] <firez> thanks for the advice
[02:59] <Kyral> bob2, WTF?
[02:59] <bob2> firez: no, it's not
[02:59] <Kyral> It doesn't break
[02:59] <firez> but my default firefox version is 1.0.3, really
[02:59] <Kyral> I use it!
[02:59] <bob2> firez: 1.0.6 is in the hoary security repository
[02:59] <bob2> Kyral: awesome
[03:00] <firez> yeah I see it
[03:00] <Kyral> Then why you saying it breaks systems?
[03:00] <bob2> Kyral: installing it to /usr/ will
[03:00] <firez> but just for the sake of learning how can I update firefox manually?
[03:00] <mae> what do you all think about deer park
[03:00] <Razor-X> bob2: does ZSH support regexps instead of globbing?
[03:00] <Kyral> unn no...
[03:00] <Razor-X> (I haven't gotten to the globbing chapter yet)
[03:00] <Razor-X> mae: wha....?
[03:01] <bob2> firez: you'd go get the tarball and install it to /usr/local/ or ~/
[03:01] <EasterSunshine> mae: you mean those people that take water put into bottles and sell it for money?
[03:01] <Kyral> bob2: I have no clue what you are talking about, but I installed it through the Backports and it works fine
[03:01] <Kyral> no breakage
[03:01] <bob2> Kyral: that's not close to what I was talking about
[03:01] <Kyral> eeeeah?
[03:01] <Kyral> then do tell
[03:01] <EasterSunshine> bob2 is saying that installing from tarball into /usr?
[03:01] <mae> deer park - codename for next release of firefox
[03:01] <firez> thanks bob2
[03:01] <mae> its alpha right now
[03:02] <Razor-X> mae: #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:02] <Razor-X> not everyone here likes/uses firefox :)
[03:02] <firez> I will try it now
[03:02] <mae> Razor-X, thats not o/t
[03:02] <dalamar> firefox is the evil
[03:02] <zukalk> is there any program that lets you scan available wireless networks, see their ESSID, channel, etc. and that also allows you to see the signal strength and link quality?
[03:02] <Razor-X> mae: it is for those of us who don't like firefox
[03:02] <bob2> zukalk: kismet
[03:02] <Kyral> because I'm running FireFox 1.0.6 out of /usr/bin and its okay
[03:02] <zukalk> bob2, thanks
[03:02] <Razor-X> same with discussing Monad, new versions of Opera, or anything like that
[03:02] <firez> it's me or firefox use more resources on ubuntu than linux?
[03:03] <firez> i mean windows
[03:03] <mae> Razor-X, oh stuff it
[03:03] <Kyral> ...I was about to give you a stupid look firez :P
[03:03] <bob2> come on people
[03:03] <dalamar> Kyral, he's not talking about installing it from repos he's talking about installing from a tarball off the web sheesh
[03:03] <firez> sorry :P
[03:03] <Kyral> ah
[03:03] <firez> it seems that it uses more CPU than windows actually
[03:03] <Kyral> then why not just point him to the Backports and be done with it?
[03:04] <bob2> Kyral: because 1.0.6 is in ubuntu itself already
[03:04] <dalamar> Kyral, thats what bob2 is doing!
[03:04] <bob2> where it's been actually been tested and works
[03:04] <Kyral> wait
[03:04] <dalamar> except its in hoary security now
[03:04] <Kyral> okat
[03:04] <zukalk> Razor-X, which browser do you use then? i've been using Galeon for the past week
[03:04] <Kyral> I got it
[03:04] <Kyral> I read it as he wasn't telling him to install it period
[03:04] <Kyral> my apologies
[03:05] <EasterSunshine> hey a syntax error in fstab wont break my system...wil it?
[03:05] <Kyral> yes
[03:05] <Kyral> it will
[03:05] <bob2> probably not
[03:06] <bob2>  / will still get mounted by the kernel, so you can fix things later
[03:06] <Razor-X> zukalk: I use Opera, meself
[03:06] <Razor-X> Opera and Konqueror
[03:07] <mae> opera can die
[03:07] <Razor-X> mae: and so can firefox for all I care, but this isn't the place for that
[03:07] <Kyral> !ubotu start a browser war
[03:07] <ubotu> Kyral: Are you on ritalin?
[03:07] <Kyral> Actually....yes...
[03:07] <mae> Razor-X, haha.. FF is the default browser in ubuntu .. and FF discussions are O/T .. gimme a break.
[03:08] <zukalk> Razor-X, i used Opera back in the Doze days. still do sometimes, no other browser has come up with the smart fast forward yet
[03:08] <bob2> come on people
[03:08] <Razor-X> mae: but not in Kubuntu, an alternate distribution of Ubuntu
[03:08] <dalamar> ff is slow bloat poo.
[03:08] <Razor-X> :)
[03:08] <Kyral> Uhoh
[03:08] <Razor-X> not a fork, mind you, an alternate distribution of the same repos
[03:08] <Subvertir> Can I just switch from unstable to ubuntu?
[03:08] <Kyral> Why do I see a KDE vs. GNOME war?
[03:08] <Razor-X> Subvertir: yeah, you can
[03:08] <firez> maybe this is a very common question but I can't figure it out:  How can I log on as Root?
[03:08] <Razor-X> Kyral: because mae wants to start an FF jihad
[03:08] <EasterSunshine> we need a kde vs gnome channel
[03:08] <Subvertir> Razor-X, killer, just update my apt sources?
[03:08] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell firez about sudo
[03:08] <Razor-X> Subvertir: ezzatly
[03:09] <crimsun> sure, you can "just switch", and then you get to keep the broken pieces.
[03:09] <Kyral> Razor-X, I am a FireFox lover
[03:09] <EasterSunshine> firez: you can start root shells with -i i think
[03:09] <Razor-X> Subvertir: but I suggest using aptitude for something that large
[03:09] <firez> Thanks
[03:09] <Kyral> but we do NOT NEED TO FIGHT WITH OURSELVES!!
[03:09] <mae> kde/gnome is a preference really.. My pref is gnome.. mainly because I think it will attract more companies to use it since gtk is lgpl as opposed to GPL.. commercial entities have to pay a large licensing fee to Qt if they wanna make anything in kde
[03:09] <Subvertir> It doesn't get much more broken thatn what I've got now =P
[03:09] <Razor-X> Kyral: and i'm pretty sure you heard of Firefox before Opera, even though the latter existed ages before
[03:09] <Kyral> unity! FREEDOM!
[03:09] <Kyral> Actually I heard of Opera first
[03:09] <Razor-X> Kyral: wow :), that's a rare sight
[03:09] <Kyral> but that was while I was still in the clutches of M$
[03:10] <Kyral> and before I was enlightened to Open Source!
[03:10] <Razor-X> meh
[03:10] <Subvertir> I really like Opera
[03:10] <dalamar> kde default is the ugly
[03:10] <mae> Razor-X, actually i used opera way before firefox.. and way before mozilla was anywhere near mature
[03:10] <bob2> I'm pretty sure you can't make proprietary KDE software at all
[03:10] <EasterSunshine> mae: the desktop environment/windows manager are aside from the apps it runs
[03:10] <Razor-X> mae: again, it's your choice
[03:10] <bob2> since you'd have to link a non-free qt against GPL kde stuff
[03:10] <RemyHome> hi folks!
[03:10] <EasterSunshine> mae: you can write gtk progs and run em in kde
[03:10] <rizla> goodnight to everybody
[03:10] <mae> EasterSunshine, the kde desktop environment uses Qt.. one cannot make a non-gpl compliant app without paying a license fee to Qt
[03:10] <Razor-X> Firefox is an ok browser with a pretty cheap marketing aim, if you ask me
[03:10] <mae> EasterSunshine, not native ones..
[03:10] <Subvertir> bob2, if that were the case, Opera wouldnt be able to ship dynamically linked binaries, no?
[03:11] <RemyHome> question: is there anyway of starting ubuntu in interactive more ? ie, only select certain services to launch at boot ?
[03:11] <Rack> is it okay to comment out the cd part of the universe in the sources.list?
[03:11] <RemyHome> atm the network service takes AGES to load if I don't have a network cable plugged in..
[03:11] <Razor-X> RemyHome: you can C-c anything you don't ilke at bootup
[03:11] <Rack> will it still pick up the same packages from the network?
[03:11] <EasterSunshine> mae: then you are against qt, not kde
[03:11] <RemyHome> k, thanks Razor-X :)
[03:11] <bob2> Subvertir: opera uses qt, not kde
[03:11] <Subvertir> ahh
[03:11] <mae> EasterSunshine, Qt is too big a part of kde for them to *not* be attached at the hip.
[03:12] <dalamar> Rack, yes, and you wont have to keep putting your cd in ;)
[03:12] <Razor-X> mae: but apps like Opera create the distinction, just as GTK is attached to the hip of Gnome
[03:12] <EasterSunshine> mae: i still find that how kde looks and manages windows and stuff have nothing to do with what libs its native apps use...
[03:12] <Rack> dalamar: cool
[03:12] <mae> EasterSunshine, and i'm not against Qt per se. i'm just saying that due to the GPL license on Qt you _must_ pay Qt if you wanna do anything but GPL-compliant stuff.
[03:13] <Kyral> ...
[03:13] <EasterSunshine> mae: yes, but that hardly involves kde as a desktop manager
[03:13] <Kyral> I hate holy wars
[03:13] <EasterSunshine> mae: shall we take this to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[03:13] <Razor-X> Kyral: why? *gives a Holy Lance to Kyral*
[03:13] <mae> EasterSunshine, this is true, but non-kde apps are fairly ugly.. and really don't fit into the "kde way"
[03:13] <Razor-X> to the death! to the death!!!!
[03:13] <mae> they are ugly ducklings :)
[03:13] <Burgundavia> mae, please take this ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <socomm> GTK is not tied GNOME ....
[03:14] <Razor-X> socomm: and neither is QT, but, offtopic is where to continue
[03:14] <mae> hmm.
[03:14] <Kyral> Holy Lance?
[03:14] <socomm> Seems to me like some of you are just shooting from the hip ...
[03:14] <Kyral> WTF
[03:14] <Razor-X> Kyral: yeahp
[03:14] <EasterSunshine> oops i executed fstab as root...and i didn't get syntax error or anything...
[03:14] <Kyral> Dude, I get NASTY when I get into holy wars
[03:15] <Kyral> I mean banned from channel for a month nasty
[03:15] <Razor-X> die vi users, MUAHAHAHAHA!!!! XD
[03:15] <Razor-X> ok enough of that
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> my fstab is written like a shell script? is that a bad thing?
[03:15] <zukalk> bob2, everytime i try to start kismet, i get this error: FATAL:  Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, unlink() failed: Permission denied
[03:15] <bob2> EasterSunshine: no, it's not a shell script
[03:15] <Razor-X> Kyral: yeah me too :)
[03:15] <mae> hey, i like vi
[03:15] <bob2> zukalk: you need to run it as root...
[03:15] <Razor-X> mae: it's a joke
[03:15] <bob2> zukalk: ie sudo kismet_server
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> bob2: i just executed it and didn't get any errors
[03:15] <Kyral> so its better that I go read CTRL-ALT-DEL
[03:15] <mae> Razor-X, cmon now, you don't think i'm _that_ serious.. do you?
[03:15] <Kyral> EasterSunshine, the fstab ISN'T a shell script
[03:15] <Kyral> its more of a config kinda file
[03:16] <bob2> EasterSunshine: you don't execute it, ever, at all
[03:16] <stizoner> i cant seem to get firefox to open torrents with azureus
[03:16] <Razor-X> mae: mods are breathing on my neck with large assault rifles -- better everyore understands :)
[03:16] <bob2> EasterSunshine: it's a config file
[03:16] <EasterSunshine> i konw...but i executed it accidently and...
[03:16] <Kyral> it just lists where the filesystems are to be mounted
[03:16] <Kyral> File System Table (FSTAB)
[03:16] <zukalk> bob2, FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[03:16] <mae> Razor-X, vi sucks, emacs rules, Long live RMS
[03:16] <Razor-X> Kyral: thanks for that acronym
[03:16] <dicrapi1> hello, i installed ubuntu today and while everything went fine, i just noticed that everytime i log out i cant log in, it just hangs ,wondering if anyone else seen the same
[03:17] <EasterSunshine> in fstab, tabs are okay are whitespace chars?
[03:17] <socomm> Not here.
[03:17] <bob2> zukalk: you obviously need to configure it first
[03:17] <bob2> EasterSunshine: yes
[03:17] <Razor-X> my parents are Hindu and yet I know so little about Hinduism
[03:17] <Razor-X> how sad :)
[03:17] <mae> dicrapi1, have you tried doing in a console as root -> "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:17] <zukalk> bob2, but how? sorry for all these questions
[03:17] <stizoner> thats what i would want for firefox to open torrents automatically right? doesnt work   /home/username/.Azureus/Azureus2.jar
[03:17] <Kyral> someone dig up an example fstab
[03:17] <bob2> zukalk: edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[03:17] <aru> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[03:17] <zukalk> bob2, thanks
[03:17] <Razor-X> zukalk: Kismet's site is really good with it's conf'ing
[03:17] <bob2> zukalk: the sources bit is the important part
[03:18] <dicrapi1> mae: all is up to date
[03:18] <zukalk> Razor-X, bob2, ok
[03:18] <Razor-X> stizoner: use Azureus itself, not the jar file
[03:18] <mae> dicrapi1, i see. well try (ctrl-alt-backspace) to restart the x server. and try loggin in again
[03:18] <reiki> OK... here's one for ya. I been slogging away at getting a filter in Evolution that would pipe mail through SpamAssassin. Well I did it, BUT... if you use Evolution AND if you turn on Junk mail filtering AND if you have SpamAssassin installed... it'll USE SpamAssassin without you manually creating a filter. I know this from looking at my mail logs with the SpamAssassi filter deleted. It...
[03:18] <reiki> ...STILL uses SpamAssassin.
[03:18] <dicrapi1> tried that and nothing either
[03:18] <mae> hmm
[03:18] <dicrapi1> is really weird
[03:19] <dicrapi1> never seen that before
[03:19] <mae> dicrapi1, does it freeze at the gnome splash screen?
[03:19] <snorks> d
[03:19] <dicrapi1> well it hangs before the splash
[03:19] <stizoner> still lost Razor-X lol
[03:19] <dicrapi1> so i dont get to c the splash
[03:19] <Razor-X> stizoner: there should be a file called ``Azureus'' no?
[03:19] <mae> dicrapi1, whole machine locks up, or just x
[03:20] <dicrapi1> X
[03:20] <stizoner> nope im lookin at the folder, dont see it, unless its a hidden file or something
[03:20] <Razor-X> stizoner: hidden files have the prefix `.'
[03:20] <Razor-X> same with hidden folders
[03:20] <mae> dicrapi1, maybe your X video card driver is buggy.. try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changing the "driver" under the device section to "vesa"
[03:20] <Razor-X> try a simple ls -a in the folder
[03:20] <mae> thats the most generic failsafe way to start x
[03:20] <Razor-X> ls -a | grep '\.'
[03:21] <stizoner> ok got it to show hidden files, still no azureus /me thinks
[03:21] <dicrapi1> nah is good, heres the thing, if i turn the copmputer on everything goes well, i get gdm, login and everything seems fine
[03:21] <mae> then your gonna have to do a /etc/init.d/gdm restart as root
[03:21] <dicrapi1> is when i logout after that and try to log back in
[03:21] <dicrapi1> so is not the card at all
[03:22] <mae> dicrapi1, you can't say that for sure.. perhaps you should peruse the xorg logs
[03:22] <Razor-X> stizoner: try java -jar /path/to/Azureus2.jar foo.torrent
[03:22] <BTJustice> In Kubuntu, I use to be able to right-click on files and edit them as root, but now that options is gone after upgrading to KDE 3.4.2.  How do I get that back?
[03:22] <Razor-X> (that's not a literal path, by the way)
[03:22] <dicrapi1> i guess
[03:22] <zukalk> ndiswrapper - Anything using ndiswrapper is using WINDOWS drivers AND CAN NOT BE USED WITH KISMET.
[03:22] <zukalk> ah hell...
[03:22] <Razor-X> zukalk: yeah, unfortunately
[03:22] <EasterSunshine> putting an entry for an ntfs in my fstab, will i need to set the uid and gid to myself? or even the umask to 0222 ?
[03:22] <mae> dicrapi1, i have an engagement look in the logs, if that  doesn't tell you anything try ubuntu forums and/or wiki/mailing lists
[03:23] <dicrapi1> ill try that
[03:23] <dicrapi1> thx fo rthe help anyways
[03:23] <zukalk> **** linksys for not providing Linux drivers
[03:23] <mae> np
[03:23] <ed__> can anyone tell me how to save a file to an ext3 partition and make it bootable.  It is mounted at /home if that makes a difference
[03:23] <Razor-X> zukalk: look it up on the internet, if it's a Prism chipset, it may have OSS drivers
[03:23] <stizoner> in consol? came up error
[03:23] <Razor-X> stizoner: what's the error?
[03:24] <zukalk> Razor-X, copy that
[03:24] <Ice9> how can I get xine to play kvcds?
[03:24] <ed__> anybody?
[03:24] <stizoner> Unable to access jarfile /path/to/Azureus2.jar
[03:24] <Razor-X> stizoner: ``It's not a literal path''
[03:24] <stizoner> woops
[03:24] <Razor-X> meh :)
[03:25] <Razor-X> substitute /path/to for the real path to the Azureus2.jar
[03:25] <ed__> ?
[03:25] <BTJustice> In Kubuntu, I use to be able to right-click on files and edit them as root, but now that options is gone after upgrading to KDE 3.4.2.    Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[03:25] <Razor-X> Ice9, ed__, BTJustice: hold your horses, if someone knows, then it'll happen
[03:25] <Ice9> how can I get xine to play kvcds?
[03:26] <Razor-X> stizoner: does Azureus work without Firefox
[03:26] <ed__> ok
[03:26] <stizoner> yeah
[03:26] <bob2> BTJustice: try #kubuntu
[03:26] <david__> hi everybody--wanna help a newbee get a digital camera going?
[03:26] <gary> how do i install java on my system
[03:26] <Razor-X> !tell gary about java
[03:26] <stizoner> save em 2 disk manually open them then? k
[03:26] <EasterSunshine> gary: java is in the repos somewhere
[03:26] <Razor-X> stizoner: just open Azureus without a torrent
[03:26] <EasterSunshine> gary: do you know about apt or synaptic?
[03:26] <firez> Ok, so the firefox install dir is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, if I try to maually update and I overwrite that folder do I need to do something else, can I break my ubutu installation?
[03:27] <stizoner> its open
[03:27] <firez> *manually
[03:27] <paulproteus> firez: I would advise against trying to upgrade it manually.
[03:27] <Razor-X> stizoner: how do you run it?
[03:27] <BTJustice> bob2: I am but everyone that uses Kubuntu thinks #Ubuntu is the support channel.  If you use Kubuntu, you should be in #Kubuntu.  If you use Ubuntu, you should be in #Ubuntu.  But it doesn't work that way.
[03:27] <david__> gary:  did you get that?
[03:27] <firez> I know that I can do it with the package manger but I want to learn
[03:27] <bob2> BTJustice: ok!
[03:27] <stizoner> desktop shortcut azureus %U
[03:27] <paulproteus> firez: Okay, then remove the Firefox package and install somewhere else.
[03:27] <bob2> firez: no, you do not evetr overwrite that dir
[03:27] <Razor-X> BTJustice: yeah, I know how that sucks, i'ld help if I actually used the more advanced features of KDE
[03:28] <firez> ok
[03:28] <paulproteus>  /usr/ is for Ubuntu-packaged programs, and /usr/local/ for things you install yourself.
[03:28] <bob2> firez: as I said earlier, use /usr/local/something/ or ~/
[03:28] <Razor-X> stizoner: what does ``azureus'' in a console do?
[03:28] <firez> but I need to remove it first?
[03:28] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: you can ask general questions about (k)ubuntu here but kde specific should be in #kubuntu or #kde cause most of us here use gnome
[03:28] <stizoner> k let me close azureus
[03:28] <bob2> firez: no, leave it alone
[03:28] <stizoner> it opened it
[03:28] <EasterSunshine> BTJustice: even though i am on kubuntu and on kde
[03:28] <Razor-X> stizoner: ..........
[03:29] <firez> but I will have 2 different versions, no?
[03:29] <Razor-X> then simply make firefox point to azureus foo.torrent
[03:29] <Nexinarus> Hmm anyone got dvd playback working?
[03:29] <bob2> firez: yes.  leave it alone.
[03:29] <bob2> Nexinarus: lots of people.
[03:29] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: have I seen you on some QB forum somewhere? *thinks*
[03:29] <BTJustice> EasterSunshine: Thanks
[03:29] <jkindy> i am new to linux how do i install aim once it is on the computer?
[03:29] <Nexinarus> yeah Razor-X
[03:29] <firez> ok, thanks and sorry for asking a lot
[03:29] <stizoner> foo?
[03:29] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: sudo apt-get install gaim
[03:29] <apokryphos> jkindy: you should use gaim
[03:29] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: oooh! ooh! can I help you with Ubuntu? it would be my pleasure to a QB RPG great :)
[03:29] <bob2> jkindy: you already have gaim installed
[03:29] <Nexinarus> well, when VLC plays the dvd /media/cdrom it plays the raw vob files, in order...
[03:29] <EasterSunshine> doesn't gaim come with ubuntu?
[03:30] <david__> gaim should already be on your ubuntu machien
[03:30] <cyphase> it does
[03:30] <firez> for some reason my installation only have the 1.0.2 version of firefox
[03:30] <david__> ha
[03:30] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: look for a program called gaim run that, or type in `gaim -n` in a shell
[03:30] <jkindy> ok thanks ....were is it in this OS
[03:30] <stizoner> jkindy, there is no aim but theres programs like gaim does aim and msn, yahoo... all of them
[03:30] <cyphase> it comes with the CD
[03:30] <bob2> firez: so, you could savea ton of time by just telling apt to go get 1.0.6 from the security archive
[03:30] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: in Open Disc, correct? :(
[03:30] <david__> under application
[03:30] <apokryphos> jkindy: either from the menu or from alt+f2 -> gaim
[03:30] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: sry i don't use gnome, but i beleive there is an application menu at the top left of the screen?
[03:30] <Nexinarus> yeah
[03:30] <Nexinarus> i just installed libdvscss 1.2.9 or something
[03:31] <david__> so ubuntu fails to recognize my digital camera
[03:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: lemme google
[03:31] <Nexinarus> i know i got dvd playback working a few months ago
[03:31] <zukalk> jkindy, just go to Applications > Internet > Gaim Instant Messenger
[03:31] <firez> yes, I just want to learn to install manually
[03:31] <openback> hi, I was wondering what I need to apt-get to get the kernel source?
[03:31] <EasterSunshine> is there a utility that will syntax check my fstab?
[03:31] <jkindy> thanks for the help
[03:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: I think libdvdcss2 might help with that
[03:32] <Razor-X> (not sure though)
[03:32] <Nexinarus> ooh
[03:32] <Razor-X> it should be available in backports
[03:32] <Razor-X> !backports
[03:32] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[03:32] <nox> openback, kernel-headers
[03:32] <XandriX> there is a kernel for k6 right ?
[03:32] <Nexinarus> you might be right, Razor-X :D
[03:32] <paulproteus> EasterSunshine: The way I do fstab stuff is, first I mount it the way I want it, then I copy the line from /etc/mtab to /etc/fstab
[03:32] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: :)
[03:32] <nox> openback, im not sure, let me check
[03:32] <paulproteus> That way, the system does my syntax checking for me.
[03:32] <stizoner> thanks for the help Razor-X but i guess ill just open torrents manually till i can figure it out
[03:33] <Razor-X> stizoner: sorry, I don't quite know my way around Firefox
[03:33] <EasterSunshine> paulproteus: wow that is hot!!
[03:33] <openback> nox: yeah, that didn't work
[03:33] <Razor-X> I just wget my torrents, and use my torrent program
[03:33] <nox> openback, why don`t you download a sources from kernel.org ?
[03:33] <stizoner> it only allows paths not commands from what i see
[03:33] <zukalk> backports are evil. if there's something i really *need* that's in the backports, i go fetch the .deb myself. i'll never add backport repos to my sources.list again
[03:33] <synack> lol do torrents take FOREVER for everyone else
[03:33] <Razor-X> stizoner: ``locate azureus'' to find the azureus bin file
[03:33] <openback> nox: I just want to install the nvidia drivers, not build my own kernel
[03:34] <Razor-X> synack: my torrents take about 45 minutes per 220 MB, on average
[03:34] <nox> openback, so "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[03:34] <Razor-X> some much faster, some much slower
[03:34] <aru> !nvidia
[03:34] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[03:34] <vader1102> I use isohunt and get A reasonable speed
[03:34] <synack> razor your lucky
[03:34] <Nexinarus> hmm sorry i have libdvdcss2 1.2.9
[03:34] <openback> nox: oh, that's kept up to date? They just released it about 2 weeks ago
[03:34] <synack> a 1.3gb torrent has taken 3 days so far and i have 600mb
[03:34] <stizoner> filesharing is like marriage synack you only get back what you give
[03:35] <openback> nox: a new one, I mean
[03:35] <aru> synack: is it a legal download? :)
[03:35] <synack> i've uploaded about 800mb...
[03:35] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: hmmmm :(
[03:35] <EasterSunshine> guys: #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:35] <openback> that's why I hate torrents, it's usenet all the way!
[03:35] <synack> what download on torrent is legal besides xandros?
[03:35] <dalamar> thats why you pay a little for good usenet service and dl everything you want with no u/l ;)
[03:35] <aru> synack: then maybe this isn't the right place to ask :)
[03:36] <nox> openback, i saw a howto in www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:36] <synack> any recommendations for good usenets to pay for then?
[03:36] <nox> openback, for the latest nvidia drivers
[03:36] <synack> aru: haha
[03:36] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: but is there any problem with playing the vobs in order? I mean, the menu is a vob too
[03:36] <jkindy> wat are some cool aps you can get for linux?
[03:36] <david__> jkindy
[03:36] <dalamar> newshosting.com is 15 bux a month unlimited with 99% completion and 45 day retention, thats what I use
[03:36] <aru> jkindy: what is it you want to do?
[03:36] <david__> sorry
[03:36] <stizoner> Razor-X, thanx! it was /usr/bin/azureus
[03:37] <Razor-X> stizoner: meh
[03:37] <david__> kstars is pretty cool
[03:37] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: look at synaptic package manager for a list of programs you can install effortlessly
[03:37] <Nexinarus> do i need libdvdplay0 package?
[03:37] <synack> dalamar: thx
[03:37] <jkindy> thanks
[03:37] <Razor-X> !info libdvdplay0
[03:37] <jkindy> were is that
[03:37] <ubotu> libdvdplay0: (portable abstraction library for DVD menus support), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 120 kB
[03:37] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: maybe?
[03:37] <EasterSunshine> jkindy: again, somewhere under the appication menu...under system or something i guess, look around
[03:37] <openback> nox: oh, cool, thanks. I don't knowm, the ubuntu site just confuses me when looking for info, I don't know why!
[03:37] <Razor-X> if you're willing to use mplayer, it's easy to play DVDs
[03:37] <Nexinarus> Yeah theres an issue, most dvd players wait at menus, this just plays past them like they arnt a menu
[03:37] <mrson> alguien puede ayudarme con postgresql??????????
[03:38] <zukalk> ubotu tell mrson about es
[03:38] <david__> any ideas as to what might prevent ubuntu from recognizing a digital camera?
[03:38] <EasterSunshine> like dude man, is it part of all foreign languages to have multiple question marks?
[03:38] <david__> si???
[03:38] <stizoner> where i get torrents requires you have a good share ratio, so everything downloads super fast Your Share Ratio: 0.99  Uploaded: 456.07 GB  Downloaded: 461.29 GB
[03:38] <Razor-X> !find libdvdnav
[03:38] <stizoner> doh! off topic sorry, lol
[03:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libdvdnav' (2 shown): libdvdnav-dev ;; libdvdnav4.
[03:39] <synack> stizoner what speed do you usually get?
[03:39] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: try libdvdnav4
[03:39] <zukalk> EasterSunshine, not really
[03:39] <Nexinarus> ok
[03:39] <stizoner> get 3 torrents at a time usually... full line speed 500kB/s
[03:39] <EasterSunshine> zukalk: ok thx for informing me. i am now twice as educated about foreign languages
[03:39] <Razor-X> stizoner: that's a sad line speed
[03:39] <zukalk> EasterSunshine, good to see you're making progress
[03:39] <Razor-X> I get 1 MBit, and we pay the bare minimum
[03:40] <EasterSunshine> razor-x: 500 kb/sec is more than 1 mbit by a lot
[03:40] <stizoner> yeah
[03:40] <Razor-X> EasterSunshine: errr, I misread
[03:40] <Nexinarus> i get 10MBit but i pay out of my ass, at a university
[03:40] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: how goes the QB'ing? :)
[03:40] <Nexinarus> mmm im using c++/freebasic now heh
[03:41] <Razor-X> I get 1 GB/sec total, my bad
[03:41] <aru> synack: you follow me?
[03:41] <Razor-X> unless my memory's debunked
[03:41] <david__> camera help please
[03:43] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: your computer can write 1 gigabyte to disk per second?
[03:43] <EasterSunshine> Razor-X: or should i say, are you an isp?
[03:43] <Ksilebo> Hello, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience setting up ubuntu as an IPv6 router?
[03:43] <david__> yow-zah!
[03:43] <ofer0> maybe the fastest SCSI can write that fast
[03:44] <troy14> hello all
[03:44] <david__> hi
[03:44] <zukalk> hi
[03:44] <troy14> can someone help me reset my video?
[03:44] <bob2> maybe if it was a 10 disk RAID-0 array
[03:44] <troy14> i am using 5.04
[03:44] <david__> troy:  reset to what?
[03:44] <stizoner> solid state storage
[03:44] <troy14> i dont know. for some reason, now it boots and the display is all distorted.
[03:44] <troy14> bios is ok
[03:45] <troy14> i just want ubuntu to redetect my video setup
[03:45] <ofer0> bob2 -> the IDE cable can transfer 133MB/s only in theory. in reality it can transfer much less
[03:45] <david__> troy:  so the start-up messages display fine?
[03:45] <troy14> right
[03:45] <bob2> ofer0: yes, I know
[03:45] <troy14> the card is ok
[03:45] <david__> hmm
[03:46] <troy14> i have is booted, then hit ESC so that I have a grub> now
[03:46] <troy14> but where do I go from here?
[03:46] <dalamar> how much can a sata cable transfer /s?
[03:46] <troy14> <- kinda new to ubuntu
[03:46] <david__> same here
[03:46] <stian> any good html editors in abuntu? ..
[03:46] <ofer0> dalamar, 150MB/s in theory
[03:46] <david__> troy:  what was the last thing that you did?
[03:46] <troy14> stian, try quanta plus
[03:47] <troy14> david_ I have no idea why it did this... it was a normal reboot
[03:47] <dalamar> so it isnt a huge difference theory wise but most likely the sata will go faster than ide?
[03:47] <ofer0> stian -> i like screem. i just love it!
[03:47] <ofer0> stian -> sudo apt-get install screem
[03:48] <stian> thanks
[03:48] <ofer0> dalamar, the SATA is much faster in reality
[03:48] <stizoner> drives dont go fast enough to take advantage of sata yet
[03:48] <troy14> dalamar, i use striped raid with two of WD's Raptor drives, and they are bloody fast.
[03:48] <ofer0> dalamar, my hd, WD 160GB 8MB Buffer, transfers something like 30MB/s
[03:48] <jkindy> srry but i cant find that package manager ...is there something i am missing
[03:48] <vader1102> the drive will only go as fast as your slowest drive
[03:49] <troy14> Photoshop opens in about two seconds in WinXP
[03:49] <stizoner> ofer0, you should mess with hdparm then
[03:49] <dalamar> i thought so, its all the rage now heh .. can't wait till the paycheck comes next fri so I can pickup a new sata 160gb .. 50 bucks! ;)
[03:49] <troy14> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd?, right?
[03:49] <ofer0> stizoner, when ill now what im doing :) hdparm can damage hardware
[03:49] <troy14> david__ any ideas on what happened?
[03:50] <stizoner> maxtor 160gb 8mb cache ata133 and maxtor 250gb 16mb cache ata133, hooked up to a promise fastrack controller
[03:50] <david__> jkindy:  system > administration > Synaptic
[03:50] <david__> troy:  uhh...did you reboot again?
[03:50] <jkindy> thanks
[03:50] <EasterSunshine> you guys and your crazily big disks. i have 8 gigs here
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: disks are worth $SFA
[03:50] <stizoner> i have movies that are 8gb so
[03:51] <troy14> david__ yeah... this all happened on Friday
[03:51] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: $sfa?
[03:51] <dalamar> I have 40 and once upon a time that was enough ;)
[03:51] <david__> troy:  i'm not sure what to tell you
[03:51] <dalamar> now i wanna keep  the OS/programs on the 40 and use a new 160 for storage heh
[03:51] <ofer0> i have 2xWD1600JB RAID0
[03:51] <david__> any help for troy?
[03:51] <troy14> EasterSunshine, I have a SuSE server here at the house with over 800 GB of storage... mostly mp3's...
[03:51] <david__> or me, for that matter?
[03:52] <EasterSunshine> troy14: stop making fun of me =/
[03:52] <troy14> what was your problem, david__
[03:52] <EasterSunshine> troy14: i don't get enough allowance to buy new hdds
[03:52] <stizoner> troy open up hdparm.conf and read it, i cant remember off the top of my head, its just setting somehting to 16 and dma on
[03:52] <ofer0> troy -> 800GB of MP3s ? yeah, right
[03:52] <stizoner> is plenty safe
[03:52] <jkindy> anyway to get airsnort on here
[03:52] <david__> ubuntu doesn't recognize my camera
[03:52] <stizoner> just uncomment whats there and change it to meet your needs
[03:52] <troy14> ... im not making fun. mp3's take alot of space when you have them all loaded on one computer to stream on them interwebs. :)
[03:52] <david__> nothing happens when i plug it in
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> USB ?
[03:53] <troy14> david__ what kind of camera do you have?
[03:53] <EasterSunshine> troy14: 800 gigs of mp3s? do you listen to even 1 gig of them? that is a massive waste of internet bandwidth and costs everyone needless money and time, unless you are like a usenet server or something
[03:53] <nomasteryoda|w> stizoner, try man hdparm
[03:53] <david__> yes, usb
[03:53] <david__> canon powershot pro 1
[03:53] <stizoner> stupid question but.. did you turn it on david__ ?
[03:53] <troy14> did you try the PPTP class driver like is found in digikam?
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> you tried the program camorama?
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> sudo apt-get install camorama
[03:53] <nomasteryoda|w> EasterSunshine, er, if its local on his network it only uses his bandwidth
[03:53] <troy14> my canon was recognized fine in even older versions.
[03:53] <dalamar> lol i saturate the bandwidth I have daily, I'm paying for it thats the point
[03:53] <ofer0> david__ -> sudo apt-get install video4linux
[03:53] <david__> yes, the camera is on
[03:54] <EasterSunshine> nomasteryoda|w: i'm talknig about when he downloaded it
[03:54] <stizoner> mine shows a usb stick icon on the desktop, and i open it and just get my pics outa it
[03:54] <nomasteryoda|w> oh yea
[03:54] <david__> hmm
[03:54] <david__> nothing happens on the desktop
[03:54] <nomasteryoda|w> well my 60gb of mp3s are all from my collection of CDs and albums ... took some time, but it's my collection