[10:24] <rmg51> Morning
[13:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[14:00] <lazyPower> o/


[08:46] <ikt> <.<
[09:05] <head_victim> Evening all
[09:06] <ikt> heya head_victim :)
[09:07] <head_victim> How goes
[09:08] <ikt> 50/50
[09:08] <ikt> trying to do the screencast
[09:08] <ikt> but the microphone isn't working
[09:08] <head_victim> Ahh good stuff :)
[09:08] <head_victim> Oh not good stuff
[09:09] <ikt> one sec
[09:31] <head_victim> I did say I'd be here for a Team Report tutorial tonight
[09:32] <head_victim> So if people are interested I'll start, but I might wait a little bit to see if anyone elsea rrives.
[10:05] <ikt> oo
[10:05] <ikt> team report tutorial?
[10:06] <head_victim> Yeah I was expecting bodsta (I think that's his nick?) to be here
[10:06] <head_victim> Unless I got my timing wrong
[10:06] <sagaci> good to fill in time since translations are unavailable for an hour
[10:06] <sagaci> good timing
[10:06] <sagaci> it's Bodmannumbernumbernumbernumber
[10:13] <head_victim> Well in his absence did you want a quick run through? It's not really all that hard once you know how to use includes on the wiki.
[10:15] <sagaci> or did you want to postpone
[10:17] <sagaci> did somethinginters do the October report
[10:17] <head_victim> Well you know how I have the meeting "To Do" page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/ToDoList is the team reporting to do page
[10:17] <head_victim> And that includes the official "how to" and stuff
[10:19] <sagaci> ah ok
[10:19] <head_victim> I wrote that one when I did the original training and like I did with the meeting training I refined it as I got asked questions ;)
[10:20] <head_victim> The more people able to do all these sorts of thigns the better. Things like team reporting helps ALL ubuntu teams, not just the loco.
[10:21] <sagaci> I see the workflow
[10:22] <head_victim> The trick is setting up each month's report page
[10:22] <head_victim> Then linking to Current
[10:22] <ikt> still at work atm, so I'm kinda of tabbing in and out when I get a hance
[10:22] <head_victim> Then linking the main page
[10:22] <sagaci> do you want to email benonsoftware to update him on this ... assuming he doesn't know about this
[10:22] <head_victim> ikt: no worries, if you're keen on investigating more just keep that link handy or ask me for it later on
[10:22] <head_victim> sagaci: this is the page I used to train he and somethinginteresting so they should have it still
[10:24] <sagaci> ah ok, so they have been briefed, per se
[10:24] <head_victim> Yep, they were the guinea pigs :)
[10:26] <ikt> def
[11:41] <sagaci> head_victim: so any ETA for when the new website upgrade goes live
[11:52] <head_victim> It was slated for a 2 week consultation period that no one seemed to want to consult with
[11:52] <head_victim> So when that is up it should be able to go live.
[11:56] <sagaci> no one = people from canonical?
[11:56] <head_victim> No one = LoCo
[11:57] <head_victim> The email I sent to the team ml had little response if any
[11:59] <sagaci> ah ok, I think it's fine
[11:59] <head_victim> Yeah, I just remember when it was first brought up all those months ago heaps of people had input to add so I wanted to give them opportunity to do so
[12:00] <head_victim> I guess the delay took a lot of steam out of that
[12:00] <sagaci> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings#Current_Agenda -- do you think this is obsolete, rather to just point people to the l.u.c meeting agenda
[12:00] <head_victim> I have been meaning to overhaul that entire page
[12:01] <head_victim> It really just needs to link to the loco.u.c page, provide details of when and where we meet, a webchat link, a link to the loco.u.c previous meetings and the current listed previous meetings
[12:02] <sagaci> I'm reading through '06 meeting logs
[12:02] <sagaci> weekly meetings at the start of '06 :S
[12:05] <head_victim> Yep, more than happy to hold them if it meant more participation :)
[12:05] <head_victim> On that note, I'm out for the night. Good luck with the precise translations, let us know when it comes through


[00:40] <Sarvatt> kaay chromium dlopen's /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 apparently to work around a problem in the nvidia blob libGL, ours is in /usr/lib/foo/, there is no libgl dependency on the package, and libgl1-mesa-dri is a build dep?
[00:41] <Sarvatt> guess we dont need the libgl dep anyway since it doesnt work :)
[00:50] <RAOF> We need to work out whether we care that we're breaking the linux OpenGL ABI.
[01:35] <bjsnider> why does chromium need opengl?
[01:52] <RAOF> Because it wants to do hardware accelerated graphics, I guess.
[01:52] <RAOF> Also, WebGL™
[01:53] <bjsnider> thanks for the trademark
[01:53] <bjsnider> i was worried it wasn't trademarked but you have assuaged my fears
[01:54]  * RAOF loves his gnome-keyring Do plugin.
[01:54] <bjsnider> so now al we need is a flawless opengl implementation on linux
[01:54] <bjsnider> should be the case in about 300 years
[01:55] <RAOF> WebGL should work now, at least.
[02:16] <bjsnider> somebody probably once said that about opengl
[02:17] <RAOF> And OpenGL works now*
[02:17] <RAOF> *: For some values of works :)
[02:19] <bjsnider> i could challenge that, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?
[02:20] <bjsnider> by the way, what is mesa up to now? opengl which version?
[02:20] <RAOF> Mu
[02:21] <RAOF> (As in: the question is incorrect)
[02:21] <bjsnider> 2.1 still?
[02:21] <RAOF> No.
[02:21] <RAOF> Roughly speaking, somewhere between 2.0 and 4
[02:22] <bjsnider> ok, what's it up to on modern hardware that has a decent mesa driver?
[02:22] <RAOF> It *claims* 2.1, but I don't think it fully supports all the 2.1 features.  Similarly, it supports 3.x features.
[02:22] <bjsnider> that's probably not even enough qualifications
[02:23] <RAOF> And some GL 4.x features, too.
[02:23] <bjsnider> and that's mainy for the last intel chips before they started going to that closed-source company for hardware right?
[02:25] <RAOF> No; that's for radeon (and to a lesser extent nouveau).
[02:25] <RAOF> And some features are basically driver independent.
[02:26] <RAOF> (Like the "use the ES 2.0 profile for GLSL on desktop GL" feature)
[02:26] <bjsnider> let me ax you a specific question i've been wondering about
[02:27] <bjsnider> you work with the nouveau guys right?
[02:27] <bjsnider> if you found a serious flaw in the nouveau driver, could you personally code in a solution?
[02:28] <RAOF> It depends; I could probably fix a serious but shallow problem, but I don't have a good grasp of the deep.
[02:28] <RAOF> (That's something I plan to work on over the Natty timeframe)
[02:29] <bjsnider> well, i'm not talking about the kinds of patches to the nvidia blob that kick around and change 3 linkes or whatever
[02:29] <bjsnider> i'm talking about something requiring significant changes
[02:29] <bjsnider> hundreds of lines
[02:30] <RAOF> Again, it depends on the actual problem.
[02:30] <RAOF> Let's take, for example, my most recent kernel hacking: the Intel 965 resolution change wierdness.
[02:30] <bjsnider> i doubt you could. i doubt anyone could fix the kinds of problems i have in mind except the nouveau devs themselves
[02:31] <bjsnider> and in that sense, nouveau and nvidia are the same. we are depending in both cases on those developers and ONLY those developers to fix things FOR US
[02:32] <RAOF> We *can* provide more useful bug reports for the nouveau developers.
[02:32] <bjsnider> i knew you'd say that
[02:32] <RAOF> Well, that's probably because it's true :)
[02:33] <bjsnider> did you see those benchmarks on phoronix where nouveau is one third as fast as nvidia ont he same hardware?
[02:33] <RAOF> Man, that's pretty good.
[02:33] <bjsnider> what if i asked you to, in the natty timeframe, fix it so that the performance was even par?
[02:33] <RAOF> No.
[02:33] <bjsnider> and who could do that?
[02:33] <RAOF> Nvidia, given 2 years.
[02:34] <RAOF> The performance of the nvidia driver has taken *hundreds* of full-time developers *years* to produce.
[02:34] <RAOF> The free drivers are unlikely to reach performance parity with either the nvidia or fglrx blobs unless they become the development focus of the respective companies.
[02:34] <bjsnider> ok, lemme rephrase: as fast as the theroetical limit of the gallium framework given what is known about nvidia hardware
[02:38] <RAOF> I don't know; "theoretical limit" is a bit problematic, because the gallium framework is basically mutable, *and* hasn't really seen a huge amount of profiling - if you found a serious bottleneck, you could fix it.
[02:39] <bjsnider> alright, further qualification: your subjective view of it's theoretical limit
[02:39] <bjsnider> the question is, could you, RAOF, personally push the driver that far in the natty timeframe?
[02:40] <RAOF> No.
[02:40] <bjsnider> could anyone at canonical?
[02:40] <RAOF> I don't think *anyone* could.
[02:40] <RAOF> But, no, I don't think there's anyone better for that at Canonical.
[02:41] <bjsnider> well, the nouveau guys could if it was their only goal, leaving everything else aside
[02:42] <bjsnider> i suspect that's the same deal for all graphics drivers. so us normal regular users can't do much but bellyache about it: same as nvidia
[02:44] <RAOF> I don't think that's a useful metric, really.
[02:44] <RAOF> Regular users certainly *can* do things; and we've contributed code to the free drivers.
[02:45] <bjsnider> well, nvidia has a bug reporting system too
[02:45] <bjsnider> it's not as transparent as launchpad though
[02:45] <bjsnider> but it's there
[02:46] <RAOF> But we can't contribute code.
[02:47] <RAOF> And I mean that in the most expansive sense of "we".
[02:47] <bjsnider> you just said you couldn't contribute anything more than trivial changes
[02:47] <bjsnider> and if you can't, reguylar users can't either
[02:48] <RAOF> Well, there's a bit of a difference between "I probably can't fix the deep problems that you're thinking of *now*" and "can't contribute anything more than trivial changes".
[02:49] <RAOF> I'm not an expert in the internals of nouveau at the moment, but the thing about open-source is that I could *become* one.
[02:50] <bjsnider> how hard would it be to become an experton nouveau's internals compared to, say, gnome-shell, which is javascript?
[02:50] <RAOF> More difficult, certainly.
[02:50] <bjsnider> (i'm cheating, since js was chosen specifically to invite contributions)
[02:50] <RAOF> *Particularly* because there's no official documentation.
[02:51] <RAOF> It's relatively much easier to pick up i915.
[02:51] <bjsnider> yeah, well i thought i read an article where the nouveau guys said they didn't need any since they'd reverse-engineered everything
[02:52] <bjsnider> do a lot of non-intel people contribute to i915?
[02:52] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:52] <bjsnider> to be fair though, that is not exactly on par with nvidia graphics hardware, is it?
[02:53] <RAOF> A fair number of non-AMD people contribute to radeon, too.
[02:53] <bjsnider> what about contributors who aren't being paid to do so?
[02:53] <RAOF> There are a bunch.
[02:53] <RAOF> Certainly a couple.
[02:54] <RAOF> The nice thing about documentation is egde cases.  Which sometimes the documentation doesn't contain anyway, but when it *does* contain them it's really, really nice.
[03:05] <bjsnider> edge cases?
[03:11] <bryceh> bjsnider, edge case as in a chip model that has some unique feature or implements a feature in a weird way
[03:12] <RAOF> Things like the i965 resolution change bug: (sometimes!) when changing to a lower resolution, the display would go all wonky.
[03:14] <RAOF> Perusing the documentation, it turned out that the hardware cursor was required to have at least one pixel on the screen; when switching down, with the mouse in an area which was outside the new resolution, we'd have the cursor fully outside the new framebuffer.
[03:15] <RAOF> Constraining the cursor so that it remains on the framebuffer fixed this.
[03:15] <RAOF> And the bug would have been significantly more difficult to diagnose if I didn't have the documentation.
[03:16] <RAOF> Without it, you're left with "it looks like the digital display looses sync sometimes when we decrese resolution with the mouse in a particular spot!?"
[03:22] <bjsnider> so all we need is the documentation, but nvidia can't release it because of nda's with other companies, and so we won't have it anyway
[03:22] <RAOF> Well, not all we need.
[03:23] <RAOF> It *would* be helpful, but we also need manpower (which is easier to acquire with documentation, though)
[04:36] <RAOF> bryceh, Sarvatt: Do you think we can solve bug #636311 with a change in the conf-files?  I haven't quite figured out a way to distinguish the two different devices the keyboard shows up as.
[04:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636311 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Keyboard special keys interfere with mouse (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 68)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636311
[04:38] <RAOF> Oh, hm.  That could be done in udev, by not tagging the second device with IS_KEYBOARD.
[18:06] <Sarvatt> the SUSE xserver crash handler is so nice - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=39285
[18:10] <jcristau> is that the patches emmes just sent?
[18:10] <jcristau> looks impressive
[18:10] <Sarvatt> oh wow they sent it upstream?
[18:11] <Sarvatt> i saw it about 6 months ago in their source packages, was meaning to try to get it going on our stuff
[18:11] <jcristau> 14193 N   Fri 08/10/2010 18:25+0200 Matthias Hopf      (1.5K) [PATCH] Create reasonable backtraces via gdb automatically
[18:11] <Sarvatt> yeah thats the same thing though
[21:00] <cnd> Sarvatt, do you know where the debian packaging for xinput is maintained?
[21:01] <cnd> I can't find it on git.debian.org
[21:01] <Sarvatt> jcristau does it outside of pkg-xorg
[21:01] <Sarvatt> one sec
[21:01] <Sarvatt> the full list takes awhile to load on this netbook :)
[21:01] <Sarvatt> http://git.debian.org/?p=users/jcristau/xinput.git;a=summary
[21:02] <cnd> ahh, ok
[21:02] <cnd> thanks!
[21:04] <cnd> Sarvatt, is there a way to tell auto-xorg-git where that repo is?
[21:04] <cnd> it seems confused :)
[21:05] <Sarvatt> yeah it doesnt work for things outside of pkg-xorg :(
[21:05] <cnd> ok, I'll hack it up so it does
[21:05] <cnd> :)
[22:55] <jcristau> i should probably get that into pkg-xorg.


[12:42] <jmg> hey all
[12:42] <jmg> whats the status of klaptop for breezy
[12:42] <jmg> any work being done between now and d-day?
[12:47] <Riddell> jmg: it should all be working, although I havn't tested it with a fresh install
[12:57] <jmg> Riddell: cool
[12:59] <Riddell> we need a breezy slogan for kubuntu
[12:59] <sebas> Riddell: The acpi_helper thing is broken, it doesn't use scripts but directly writes to /proc.
[12:59] <Riddell> sebas: I patched from 3.5 and made it use pmi (ubuntu's power management scripts)
[01:00] <sebas> Riddell: Ok, you rock. :)
[01:00] <Riddell> -0ubuntu2
[01:00] <sebas> Is there more info on pmi?
[01:00] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be much info no
[01:01] <Riddell> powermanagement-interface is the package
[01:02] <sebas> I'll have a look at the source.
[01:03] <Riddell> it's just a shell script
[01:04] <sebas> The hibernate script provides a blacklist of pm unaware modules.
[01:04] <sebas> The list of the package is currently empty, that's not too much use.
[01:05] <sebas> hibernate has blacklisted modules per kernel version even.
[01:05] <sebas> And it's actively maintained.
[01:06] <sebas> Actually, the hibernate script does all pmi does, and much more.
[01:08] <Riddell> who maintains it?
[01:14] <allee> sebas: eh? looks like pmi just calls hibernate.sh for: pmi action hibernate
[01:15] <sebas> Riddell: Bernard Blackham
[01:15] <sebas> Also maintaining suspend.net site.
[01:16] <sebas> allee: Yeah, but that's not the point.
[01:16] <sebas> Besides: where?
[01:16] <allee> [01:05]  <sebas> Actually, the hibernate script does all pmi does, and much more.
[01:17] <allee> sebas: isn't this the point?
[01:17] <sebas> allee: Yeah, but where is the corresponding code?
[01:17] <sebas> allee: Not quite.
[01:17] <Riddell> >grep hibernate.sh /usr/sbin/pmi
[01:17] <Riddell>                         /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh force
[01:17] <sebas> Ah, ok.
[01:18] <sebas> My point was though, that at least the blacklist and the services that have to be stopped might be only in *one* place, and hibernate has a good list of the modules.
[01:18] <sebas> The services might depend on the sort of "pmi action", i.e. suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk.
[01:18] <sebas> Or whatever pmi does more.
[01:19] <sebas> For example, to wake-up successfully from S3 I've got to do some setpci magic, S4 doesn't need that.
[01:20] <sebas> That force isn't too nice either, but that's a wholly different thing of course.
[01:20] <allee> sebas:  for me it looks like pmi is only there to provide a (I assume) stable interface to whatever is used behind
[01:21] <sebas> allee: Ehm, pmi does have a blacklist.
[01:21] <sebas> So it's more than a stable interface, it has also configuration (which is tricky in the PM case).
[01:21] <sebas> The blacklist is configuration, the services even more so.
[01:22] <sebas> Since the pmi blacklist is empty, one might aswell link it to the hibernate blacklist.
[01:23] <allee> looks like I still miss the point.  When you write 'hibernate' you don't mean /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh?
[01:24] <sebas> Ow, that explains a lot of the confusion :D
[01:24] <sebas> I'm talking about the package "hibernate", which is actually a script to handle all that.
[01:25] <sebas> I thought that pmi used that one :o
[01:25] <sebas> (Might've also read the scripts better. Sorry.)
[01:30] <sebas> G'night Jonathan and allee!
[01:30] <allee> nite sebas
[01:31] <allee> mhmm, hibernate (pkg) seem to use sw suspend2.  Note sure is kubuntu uses them
[01:32] <allee> no 'all' suspend/hibernate implementation are supported (according to debian/control)
[01:51] <jmg> Riddell: regrettably klaptop is *still* buggered and ACPI
[01:51] <Riddell> jmg: what's up with it?
[01:51] <jmg> Riddell: regrettably klaptop is *still* buggered and ACPI_SLEEP=true sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works
[01:51] <jmg> Riddell: now it doesnt suspend me at all
[01:52] <jmg> Riddell: in it's defence i havent dist-upgraded yet
[01:52] <jmg> just apt-get install acpi-support klaptopdaemon to get hte latest versions
[01:52] <Riddell> jmg: but you do have the latest klaptopdaemon (and restarted KDE)?
[01:55] <jmg> yeah
[01:55] <jmg> Riddell: now it just does a LOT of disk, and eventually wakes back up on its own.
[01:56] <jmg> Riddell: using te sleep.sh *does* work though, which makes me cry.
[01:57] <jmg> ii  klaptopdaemon            3.4.2-0ubuntu2
[01:58] <jmg> Riddell: latest sid is 3.4.2-3
[01:58] <jmg> can't sync?
[01:58] <jmg> too late huh
[02:00] <Riddell> jmg: what changes are there?
[02:00] <jmg> Riddell: didnt bother to read changelog just changed sources to get from breezy
[02:01] <jmg> since thats the version that will need to be patched anyway
[02:02] <Riddell> no relevant patches from debian
[02:02] <jmg> Riddell: um... klaptop is NOT patched to use /etc/acpi/foo.sh
[02:02] <jmg> at least looking in debian/patches.'..
[02:03] <jmg> was it meant to be?
[02:03] <jmg> *confused*
[02:03] <Riddell> debian/patches/kubuntu_04_use_pmi.diff  would be the patch
[02:03] <Riddell> it uses pmi
[02:05] <jmg> interesting
[02:05] <jmg> pmi action sleep works too
[02:05] <jmg> maybe my config is hosed
[02:07] <Riddell> jmg: what action are you using in the right click menu?
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: also the acpi helper is broken
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: suspend
[02:07] <Riddell> does hibernate work?
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: i wonder if all of this will go away when i dist-upgrade though
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: hibernate never worked
[02:08] <jmg> Riddell: it reboots and starts a new session
[02:08] <jmg> Riddell: but im working on suspend... gotta walk before run and all that
[02:08] <Riddell> hibernate works for me, suspend doesn't (goes to sleep and never wakes up again)
[02:08] <jmg> Riddell: pmi action suspend works
[02:09] <jmg> wakes up ok
[02:09] <Riddell> jmg: acpi helper?
[02:14] <jmg> Riddell: it actualy isnt broken
[02:14] <jmg> my bad
[02:14] <jmg> so... situation is : pmi suspend works, klaptop suspend doesnt.
[02:14] <Riddell> jmg: what doesn't work about it?
[02:18] <jmg> jmg: it doesnt suspend at all.
[02:19] <Riddell> jmg: just does nothing?
[02:19] <jmg> jmg: it blanks the screen, does a lot of disk, and eventually unblanks
[02:20] <jmg> Riddell: sorry
[02:21] <Riddell> curious
[02:24] <jmg> Riddell: oh dear.
[02:24] <Riddell> jmg: I'll do a fresh install tomorrow and see whether it still works for me
[02:25] <jmg> Riddell: just looking at the source, --suspend means action 1, which is hibernate... ????
[02:26] <jmg> Riddell: nowhere is action 2 (suspend (that launches pmi suspend ( that actually works))) used by klaptop
[02:26] <jmg> Riddell: suspend and standby are the same action (1)
[02:29] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[02:30] <jmg> Riddell: i suppose you could patch it and save me the trouble, or do you want me to file a malone/bugzilla and attach a patch? if so should my patch patch use_pmi or should i create a new dpatch that patches acpi_helper.cpp again?
[02:31] <Riddell> jmg: I'll fix it :)
[02:31] <jmg> Riddell: cool
[02:31] <jmg> Riddell: i cant sit here see that bug and not fix it though, so im cooking up a local klaptopdaemon for today :)
[02:32] <jmg> Riddell: suspend was my big whine since the other day i suspended walked to the park and had no battery lol
[02:41] <Riddell> jmg: uploaded
[02:41] <Riddell> should hit the archives in an hour or two
[02:41] <jmg> Riddell: cool!
[02:41] <jmg> Riddell: glad i could stomp another.. now onto pmi hibernate :)
[02:42] <Riddell> thanks for your help and let me know if it fixes it
[09:49] <Tonio-> morning
[11:46] <JRe> morning!
[11:49] <JRe> Tonio-: the adept's icon is nice:)
[11:51] <Tonio-> JRe: thanks ;)
[11:51] <Tonio-> JRe: built with a touchpad (no mouse out there), I thought I would become crazy with adjustments ;)
[11:51] <JRe> :) :)
[11:51] <JRe> wow it's hard to draw with the touchpad
[11:52] <Tonio-> I just wait for the next package version because svg ones have a problem on his one, I corrected that yesterday.
[11:52] <Tonio-> yep it is not that easy LOL
[11:52] <Tonio-> also the Updater version doesn't install properly actually.... I hope it'll be corrected with the next package
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio-: get anywhere with the usplash image?
[11:53] <JRe> :)
[11:53] <JRe> Riddell: you've taken a look to the k3b patch ?
[11:53] <Tonio-> Riddell: done tonight..... I had to finish with this xen documentation and i'm actually installing the xen server with a redhat EL and a debian sarge.....
[11:53] <Tonio-> no time forthis today sorry ;)
[11:53] <Riddell> JRe: not yet, it's a post RC fix, don't let me forget
[11:53] <Tonio-> I promise to perform something tonight
[11:54] <JRe> k
[11:55] <JRe> Riddell: may be it would be cool to forward this patch to debian, no? (they have the same normalize-audio package)
[11:56] <JRe> BTW is this expected to have an adept icon within System AND Utilities ???
[11:59] <Riddell> JRe: yes, definatly forward it to them
[12:00] <Riddell> JRe: double icon entry should be fixed
[12:04] <Tonio-> Riddell: actually looking for palette modification .........
[12:05] <Tonio-> the problem is that if you wanna get "OK" brighter, it completly breaks the shadows over Kubuntu word.....
[12:05] <Tonio-> couldn't that be possible to patch the colors used ????
[12:06] <Tonio-> Riddell: for example replacing #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2 by #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 10 which would be perfect for this ?
[12:06] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's no possible since it'll break the other usplash images
[12:06] <Tonio-> okay, the source is common, only the image differs.....
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio-: you should be able to swap colours around in the palette somehow without changing the image (I've no idea how else I'd do it myself)
[12:07] <Tonio-> so I have to manage something brighter but not too much ;)
[12:07] <Tonio-> I can modify boh palette and image
[12:07] <Tonio-> to get the modified palette and an identical to before image
[12:07] <Tonio-> that's perfectly possible
[12:08] <Tonio-> let me 1/ think about it with a cigarette 2/ check ;)
[12:08] <Tonio-> I try to do it for 2 PM
[12:08] <Tonio-> gmt+1
[12:09] <Riddell> it just needs colour order swapped in the palette
[12:10] <Riddell> howdy OculusAquilae, fancy packaging ksniffer?
[12:10] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell
[12:11] <OculusAquilae> not so much experience in packaging
[12:11] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: perfect time to learn :)
[12:11] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: it needs color swap in tha palette AND image modifications ;)
[12:12] <Riddell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio-: images needs to be modified to follow the swapped colours so it ends up looking exactly the same
[12:12] <Tonio-> because the image sctructure refers to the palette color id, so for each colors that I swap, I have to swap the image too
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:13] <Tonio-> absolutly, I just found how to perform this, so it might be okay
[12:13] <Riddell> ubercool
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> hm I started to read this debian New maintainers Guide
[12:14] <OculusAquilae> only at chapter 5
[12:14] <OculusAquilae> but
[12:15] <OculusAquilae> I've a lot time free today
[12:17] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: excellent opportunity :)
[12:17] <Riddell> dh_make is the one to start with
[12:20] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:45] <OculusAquilae> ok
[12:45] <OculusAquilae> i'll look what i can do
[12:46] <JRe> Riddell: is there anything special to do?
[12:47] <JRe> Riddell: (on breezy ATM)
[01:00] <Tonio-> Riddell: just something with the image....
[01:00] <Tonio-> I'm testing and let you know
[01:00] <Tonio-> unfortunatly, I don't understand how the original image has been compressed.... 4k only, while my one is 21k with exactly the same properties.... strange
[01:03] <JRe> is there someone in charge of kubuntu-fr ?
[01:03] <amu> not now
[01:03] <amu> .nl .es .de are up
[01:04] <JRe> amu: mmm ok i'll stick there from now because it's deseperately empty
[01:05] <JRe> Tonio-: you can come too, so we will be two ;)
[01:05] <JRe> amu: ho err, I was talking about the IRC chan :)
[01:05] <amu> :) ok, i thought web *g*
[01:05] <JRe> amu: for the website there is http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/
[01:06] <Tonio-> yep I could that's true ;)
[01:06] <JRe> amu: but no kubuntu-fr.org :(
[01:06] <Tonio-> but actually I have to finish the usplash work (and that's not, really not a fun job lol)
[01:06] <amu> whats the problem ?
[01:07] <amu> ubuntu-fr looks too brown :)
[01:07] <JRe> :)
[01:07] <JRe> Tonio-: you're enhancing the kubuntu's splash ?
[01:07] <Tonio-> yep
[01:07] <JRe> Tonio-: :) :) you're the touchpad master!
[01:08] <Tonio-> I touchpad victim ;)
[01:08] <amu> JRe: what do you need, in order to run kubuntu.fr ?
[01:08] <Tonio-> in french
[01:08] <Tonio-> en plus j'aime pas le touchepad, je prefere le petit clito comme sur les ibm....
[01:08] <Tonio-> ;)
[01:08] <JRe> Tonio-: nothing more than a webserver :)
[01:08] <Tonio-> j'ai jamais su comment on apelait ce truc d'aileurs :)
[01:08] <JRe> err: amu: nothing more than a webserver
[01:09] <Tonio-> back to english and sorry for this :)
[01:09] <amu> JRe: no prob :)
[01:09] <JRe> amu: so I can start it and maintain it
[01:11] <amu> sure, i'm running .de on my main server, but setuped last week another decicated server for public useage
[01:11] <JRe> amu: ho cool! I can use any backend or I am obliged to have one in particular ???
[01:12] <amu> JRe: letme setup apache php sql ... later you get an ssh account and you can upload the files whenever you're suitable
[01:13] <JRe> amu: ok!
[01:14] <amu> it maybe makes sense, to talk to marcel, he's working on a multilang cms, that makes the things in feature easier to setup another lang
[01:15] <amu> apache is enough at the moment ?
[01:19] <amu> Le nom de domaine kubuntu.fr est libre
[01:25] <Tonio-> why doesn't it work ^^
[01:25] <Tonio-> DAMN !!
[01:25] <Tonio-> Riddell: I modified the png
[01:26] <Tonio-> rebuilt the package and installed the two deb files.... nothing different while rebooting....
[01:26] <Tonio-> did I miss something ?
[01:26] <Riddell> Tonio-: could you send me a copy of the png?
[01:26] <Tonio-> absolutly
[01:27] <Tonio-> it is ust a test, colors are of course not definitive ;)
[01:28] <Riddell> sure
[01:28] <JRe> amu: youpee you'll register it?
[01:28] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/kusplash.png
[01:28] <JRe> Tonio-: hehe nice!
[01:29] <Tonio-> JRe:  ? what is nice ?
[01:29] <JRe> Tonio-: kubuntu.fr domain name is free
[01:29] <JRe> Tonio-: and you splash of course :)
[01:29] <Tonio-> ah ?
[01:29] <Tonio-> interesting
[01:29] <Riddell> .fr domains are difficult to get
[01:29] <JRe> s/you/your/
[01:29] <JRe> Riddell: yeah I have heard about it it can take up to 6 months or more
[01:29] <Tonio-> JRe: well at the moment it doesn't change anything
[01:30] <JRe> Riddell: maybe a kubuntu-fr.org
[01:30] <Riddell> JRe: tidying bug reports would be about the most useful thing right now
[01:30] <JRe> Tonio-: no but it's the first time I see it :)
[01:30] <Riddell> JRe: kubuntu-fr.org is good
[01:30] <Tonio-> JRe: I didn't do it, just modified the structure of the png
[01:31] <JRe> Tonio-: k
[01:31] <Tonio-> Riddell: once the file is modified, I just have to build source package, pbuilder it and install the debs righ ?
[01:31] <Tonio-> JRe: I personnaly would prefer kubuntu-fr.org
[01:31] <Riddell> Tonio-: yep
[01:32] <JRe> Tonio-: yes it the easier to get and it will be the same as ubuntu-fr.org
[01:32] <Tonio-> Riddell: so I don't understand ;) maybe the modified colors are not the ones used...
[01:32] <amu> what about fr.kubuntu.org de.kubuntu.org
[01:32] <Tonio-> and in france, historically, .fr was designed for companies only.............
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio-: what did you use to modify it?
[01:33] <Tonio-> gimp
[01:33] <JRe> amu: fr.kubuntu.org is nice too
[01:33] <amu> same system debian use for it county web and ftp server
[01:33] <Tonio-> krita cannot save palette based pngs, only rvb/alpha based
[01:33] <amu> ... and it would be cheaper :)
[01:33] <JRe> amu: yes :) :)
[01:33] <Tonio-> Riddell: if you look at the palette, you will se the changes
[01:34] <Riddell> Tonio-: how do I look at the palette?
[01:34] <amu> www.fr.kubuntu.org ftp.fr.kubuntu.org sounds good
[01:34] <Tonio-> Riddell: open it then , let me translate ;)
[01:35] <Tonio-> Riddell: dialogs, and then color palette
[01:35] <Tonio-> in the main window
[01:35] <Tonio-> JRe: I might be able to host the website for free
[01:35] <Tonio-> I have a personnal webserver with 80 mbits/sbandwidth
[01:35] <Tonio-> and only use 20.....
[01:36] <Tonio-> if that can help :)
[01:36] <Riddell> amu: that means waiting on elmo
[01:36] <amu> Riddell: would be nice if elmo accept an hippden primary dns
[01:37] <amu> s/hippden/hidden
[01:38] <amu> Riddell: the fastest solution, and we can create subdonains ourself if we need them
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio-: ok, done dialogues->palettes
[01:39] <Riddell> amu: you ask him then :)
[01:40] <Riddell> Tonio-: but I can't see how to find the current palette of the image
[01:40] <Tonio-> it is this one
[01:40] <Tonio-> you should have 133 entries right ?
[01:40] <Tonio-> 13
[01:41] <Tonio-> Riddell: not palette
[01:41] <Tonio-> look upper
[01:41] <Tonio-> you should have something called "color palette"
[01:41] <Tonio-> don't you see it ?
[01:43] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/gimp1.png
[01:43] <Riddell> don't see it
[01:43] <Tonio-> Riddell: colourmap :)
[01:43] <Tonio-> it's this
[01:44] <amu> JRe: if you want i can order & sponsor for you the domain :)
[01:44] <Tonio-> I may put my system in english next time ;)
[01:44] <Riddell> Tonio-: aaah :)
[01:44] <JRe> amu: is it free ?
[01:45] <amu> .. in addition the kubuntu-fr.org domain
[01:47] <amu> i thing <service>.<country>.kubuntu.org is the best solution, everyone can try www.es.kubuntu.org if there is a spanish page or not, users find information much more easier compared to *.kubuntu*.org or *kubuntu*.com
[01:48] <amu> s/thing/thik
[01:48] <amu> baeh think even *g*
[01:56] <Tonio-> Riddell: should be right according to the coors you told me to change no ?
[02:04] <Tonio-> hum need little information..
[02:04] <Tonio-> with the latest debian, how many cd's are required to perform a "basic" installation ?
[02:04] <Tonio-> I nead to download and certainly don't want to get 13 isos ;)
[02:07] <JRe> amu: I agree
[02:07] <Tonio-> so do I
[02:15] <Riddell> Tonio-: your image works great, just needs update-initramfs -u -t  run first
[02:16] <Riddell> Tonio-: do you think you'll play with lightening the darker colours?
[02:17] <Riddell> Tonio-: you can also just run   sudo usplash; sleep 3; sudo usplash_write "TEXT hello"; sudo usplash_write "SUCCESS ok"; sudo usplash_write "PROGRESS 50"
[02:30] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay
[02:31] <jjesse> Riddell: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/kde/kreleasenotes/C/ for updated kreleasenotes
[02:31] <Tonio-> no time now but I note all of this and make color tests tonight, than give you a final image
[02:31] <Riddell> Tonio-: cool
[02:31] <Riddell> jjesse: also cool, I'll take a look
[02:32] <jjesse> Riddell: Thanks, i'll make more changes if need to be
[02:42] <Tonio-> Riddell: sudo usplash; sleep 3; sudo usplash_write "TEXT hello"; sudo usplash_write "SUCCESS ok"; sudo usplash_write "PROGRESS 50" -> doesn't work for me....
[02:42] <Tonio-> I just get the initial screen, and nothing happens....
[02:50] <Tonio-> Riddell:  just saw it, need to reboot but that's okay....
[02:50] <Tonio-> Riddell: according to me OK should be more dark, visible but more dark....
[02:50] <Tonio-> and I find progress bar ok like this..... your felling ?
[02:54] <Riddell> Tonio-: I think it looks great as it is
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: run on one console   sleep 8; sudo usplash_write "TEXT hello"; sudo usplash_write "SUCCESS ok"; sudo usplash_write "PROGRESS 50"
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: then alt-f2 to another text console and run   sudo usplash
[02:57] <Tonio-> okay.... no changes required for you ? If it is okay, i'm stopping now... depends on your feeling ;)
[02:58] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's fine, thanks for your help
[02:58] <Tonio-> Riddell: no problem;)
[03:57] <Riddell> jjesse: could we get rid of the revision history in the release notes?  it's all kept in SVN and it doesn't help the reader
[04:00] <Riddell> "a large range of GStreamer plugins are available"  'are' or 'is'?
[04:02] <sebas> IMO is.
[04:02] <sebas> In dutch, both is possible, though "is" is more correct.
[04:03] <jjesse> Riddell: sure i can get rid of the revision history
[04:05] <jjesse> Riddell: committed up to revision 1861
[04:15] <jjesse> heading to different branch, gone for a bit
[05:56] <Riddell> jjesse: can you do  svn commit  on your breezy/kde/debian directory
[06:01] <Riddell> jjesse: or better, rm that directory and svn update it then apply this patch to breezy/kde
[06:01] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/docs2.diff
[06:34] <jjesse> Riddell:  sorry was at lunch
[06:34] <jjesse> when i patch it says Reversed or previosly applied patch deted! assume -R [n]
[06:34] <Riddell> jjesse: on which file?
[06:35] <jjesse> Riddell: i did a patch -p0 < docs2.diff in the branches/breezy/kde folder
[06:35] <Riddell> but which file is it complaining about?
[06:35] <jjesse> Makefile
[06:35] <Riddell> hmm
[06:37] <Riddell> it can't be
[06:37] <jjesse> let me look again
[06:37] <Riddell> you should it isn't complaing about debian/control?
[06:37] <Riddell> s/should/sure/
[06:37] <jjesse> nope i screwed up
[06:38] <Riddell> in which way?
[06:38] <jjesse> that was patch you sent yesterday saved the new one in a different directory
[06:38] <Riddell> control-c to kill patch
[06:38] <jjesse> i did and patched
[06:38] <jjesse> committing right now
[06:40] <jjesse> just commited them
[06:41] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent, thanks
[06:42] <Riddell> jjesse: I changed it to use the KDE style sheet, to all be a large sect1, moved some bits about and changed a few bits of text
[06:42] <jjesse> Riddell: no problem i saw the changes
[06:43] <jjesse> Riddell: can i then move on to the aboutkubuntu and look for changes there?
[06:43] <Riddell> jjesse: please do
[06:46] <Riddell> jjesse: let me know if you have any questions
[06:46] <jjesse> Riddell: will do i haven't really looked at it lately
[07:19] <jjesse> Riddell: can i mark the release notes as finished on wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects ?
[07:20] <Riddell> jjesse: sure
[08:01] <Riddell> jjesse: I just noticed a comment "OpenOffice shots in ?Kubuntu user guide? are still of ooo 1.1.3."
[08:01] <Riddell> jjesse: so you have users waiting on your updates :)
[08:04] <jjesse> is that a bug? or in a wiki page
[08:21] <Riddell> jjesse: in the user guide, but we're dropping the user guide so it's not a problem
[08:21] <Riddell> just good to know that people are reading the docs
[08:22] <verwilst> hi
[08:22] <verwilst> Riddell: ping!
[08:22] <Riddell> verwilst: hmm?
[08:22] <verwilst> Riddell: libqt4-core depends on libqt4-gui?
[08:23] <verwilst> that kinda defeats the purpose of the split packages? ;)
[08:23] <Riddell> verwilst: upstream issue (debian) for now
[08:23] <Riddell> qt 4 isn't priority for breezy since nothing uses it
[08:24] <verwilst> i would (h) :d
[08:24] <verwilst> need to make some postfix content_filters
[08:24] <verwilst> and since i want something that performs well, i was thinking about c++ :)
[08:24] <jjesse> Riddell: userguide should be in dapper drake correct?
[08:25] <verwilst> but c++ in itself is icky, but Qt is niiiice :d
[08:39] <\sh> Riddell: I wanted to package last.fm player ;)
[09:09] <jjesse> Riddell: i have a question on the aboutkubuntu doc can i copy http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/ and then make changes fo kubuntu?
[09:38] <ach> breezy upgrade: language-pack-kde-de-base and kaffeine have both german kaffeine.po
[09:40] <ach> #lauchpad
[11:40] <Tm_T> sounds like RC day to me


[12:02] <kwwii> and nobody can stop them (I tried)
[12:02] <andreasn> what? for play buttons and normal stuff?
[12:02] <kwwii> for everything
[12:02] <kwwii> well, everything in amarok
[12:02] <andreasn> aarrgh!
[12:02] <kwwii> lol
[12:03] <kwwii> oh, we even sent official mails asking them to stop and they said no
[12:03] <andreasn> what if I have problems with my eyes and need some high-contrast-stuff?
[12:03] <andreasn> does amarok-devs hate people with seeing disorder?
[12:03] <kwwii> well, if you change the theme, then it will still change
[12:03] <kwwii> basically they are adding another defualt for amarok before the rest of the kde icon stuff
[12:04] <kwwii> but somehow it changes when you change themes
[12:04] <andreasn> like with magic?
[12:04] <kwwii> dude, half of amarok is magic I think
[12:04] <andreasn> heh
[12:04] <kwwii> ever hear the story how they made the nifty wave motion for the eq when you start it?
[12:05] <kwwii> it was a bug
[12:05] <kwwii> so they kept it
[12:05] <andreasn> hahaha
[12:05] <andreasn> sounds like coding demo-scene demos to me
[12:05] <kwwii> yeah
[12:05] <kwwii> I am always amazed at how well it works
[12:07] <andreasn> have you tried sending off a mail to the xdg-list about the icon issue? someone over there must have a clue about how it should work
[12:08] <andreasn> because I'm really interested in the issue
[12:08] <kwwii> to be honest, since I stopped working for suse I have tried to stay away from conflict with my ex-colleagues
[12:09] <andreasn> do you think it would be a conflict? I mean, it's just a question how it's supposed to work
[12:10] <kwwii> oh, I am pretty sure it will be because it is an issue of tango and how that relates to the kde desktop in suse
[12:11] <andreasn> hm, ok
[12:11] <kwwii> all of my old friends are pretty much disliking their jobs now and simply want the easiest way out so they can do their job without a fight
[12:11] <kwwii> eventually I will
[12:12] <kwwii> when my stomach tells me to :-)
[12:12] <andreasn> :)
[12:13] <andreasn> interesting how much debate the whole issue has created
[12:13] <andreasn> it's just icons
[12:13] <kwwii> yeah, no shit
[12:14] <kwwii> I will go along with anything as long as we do not force anyone to use one kind of artwork or another
[12:14] <kwwii> :-)
[12:14] <andreasn> forcing stuff on people sound offencive
[12:14] <andreasn> but I agree
[12:17] <kwwii> hehe, see I just got another mail about this stuff
[12:17] <kwwii> the discussion will never end
[12:18] <andreasn> man, it would be really cool to have a free desktop artists meeting at some point
[12:18] <andreasn> meet some people in the community and stuff
[12:18] <kwwii> I really wanted to make it to the libre graphic meeting but simply coudn't
[12:18] <andreasn> yeah, I know
[12:18] <andreasn> it was nice
[12:19] <kwwii> I spend like two weeks a month away from home now
[12:19] <kwwii> and theoretically I do not even have a job
[12:22] <andreasn> kwwii: did you mean this - http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-kde/2006-May/0001.html ?
[12:23] <kwwii> lol
[12:23] <kwwii> never saw that before
[12:23] <kwwii> I was just kinda assuming it would be like that
[12:24] <kwwii> I does make me feel good though :-)
[12:24] <andreasn> crazy discussion
[12:24] <andreasn> why is that?
[12:24] <kwwii> not so crazy really
[12:24] <kwwii> well, I did all the artwork at suse for 7 years (ie. kde)
[12:24] <kwwii> and now I am gone
[12:24] <kwwii> and they can try to sell kde with gnome icons
[12:25] <kwwii> the whole point of this is to devalue kde and suse so the novell can sell gnome
[12:25] <kwwii> totally bullshit
[12:25] <kwwii> I had bosses telling me "we simply need to get rid of the suse customers so that we can sell novell linux"
[12:26] <kwwii> I wish them all the luck in the world, thanks be to god I do not have to whore myself
[12:26] <andreasn> with icons that are a mix of g-i-t and crystal, hm
[12:27] <kwwii> if they would at least do it 100% it would not be soo bad
[12:27] <kwwii> but if they do that they can simply remove kde as well
[12:28] <andreasn> you mean mixing the styles fully, or implenting the style fully?
[12:28] <kwwii> implement the style fully
[12:28] <kwwii> desktop choice in linux is still a religion
[12:29] <andreasn> yeah, I noticed
[12:30] <andreasn> I'm more like that I care little about the desktops, and more about the apps
[12:30] <kwwii> I just want things to look nice
[12:30] <kwwii> :-)
[12:30] <kwwii> and work well
[12:30] <andreasn> yeah
[12:34] <andreasn> well, I hope the whole toolkit-nazism sorts out some time in the future, but I'll probably have to wait a couple of more years for that ;)
[12:34] <andreasn> need to hit bed now
[12:34] <andreasn> been nice chatting to you
[12:34] <andreasn> night all!
[12:35] <kwwii> see you soon
[12:35] <kwwii> sleept well
[12:35] <andreasn> thanks
[12:35] <andreasn> you too
[12:45] <kwwii> ok...night all
[12:45] <kwwii> bis morgen
[08:19] <omeg> arrrgh
[08:19] <omeg> Just as I finish all my new propositions, someone posts that we must include sample text and OK/FAIL colors.
[08:19] <omeg> !@#$!@#$
[08:39] <omeg> Well, major update from my part
[08:39] <omeg> Waiting for the page to save
[08:41] <omeg> Does Viper550 visit this channel under a different name?
[08:41] <omeg> Does anyone even look at this channel at all? :)
[08:43] <jimmac> I'm lurking all the time :)
[08:43] <omeg> Yeah, I think that this is the first time I've actually seen you talk
[08:44] <omeg> How are you?
[08:48] <omeg> Tsh, those lurkers. They say something and then they're gone. I had a friend once, but then he became a lurker, too. Never heard of him again.
[08:59] <kwwii> omeg: I do not think you need to post the edited pic, just the colors to show what they could/would be
[09:00] <omeg> Maybe.
[09:00] <omeg> Making pixel fonts is so incredibly boring.
[09:01] <kwwii> I admit we are going somewhat over the top for one pic
[09:01] <kwwii> artwork by commitee rarely works
[09:01] <omeg> Well, it is still the one screen that millions of people will see during startup...
[09:02] <kwwii> that is true
[09:02] <kwwii> but I know that making the kubuntu splash was a lot less work :-)
[09:03] <omeg> Was it? I wasn't around then, I think.
[09:03] <omeg> I only followed the mailing list occasionally until now.
[09:03] <omeg> Well, now that I've put so much effort in that stupid pic, I sure hope mine does get accepted...
[09:04] <kwwii> I mean the one for dapper...it has been done for months
[09:04] <kwwii> lol
[09:04] <kwwii> I can imagine
[09:05] <omeg> 12th letter of the capitals done...
[09:10] <omeg> Wooh, all capitals done.
[09:10] <omeg> Fastest pixel font I've ever made. Now 30 minutes break and then to do lowercase...
[09:12] <kwwii> how are you making it?
[09:40] <jimmac> omeg: doing fine :) don't let those chennel lurkers annoy you
[09:42] <omeg> kwwii: xmbdfed
[09:43] <omeg> Also, back, and back to work...
[09:43] <kwwii> omeg: cool, have fun...making a font is a lot of work
[09:43] <kwwii> that is pretty impressive
[09:47] <omeg> Nah, anyone can make a pixel font in a short time.
[09:47] <omeg> Vector fonts take time, though.
[09:47] <omeg> My friend who works as pixel artist at a mobile phone gaming company said she made like 30 pixel fonts in one week, at one time. Only 2 were accepted. :P
[09:47] <kwwii> hehe
[09:48] <kwwii> well, making a true type font, with hinting, etc is not sooo easy
[09:48] <omeg> I wish it was
[09:48] <kwwii> the ubuntu-title font needs a lot of work
[09:50] <omeg> Yeah, it has some kerning issues and it doesn't have any capitals.
[09:56] <kwwii> I noticed the kerning issues
[09:56] <kwwii> are you doing this "for fun"?
[10:03] <omeg> Now for some final tweaking...
[10:04] <omeg> Well, I'm going to send it to an Ubuntu dev who wanted to have a look at a new font for usplash. Whether it's for Dapper or Edgy, I don't know. I'm more than glad to submit one since I think the current usplash font is appaling.
[10:04] <omeg> There will probably be some kind of vote about that later if it's still for Dapper.
[10:05] <kwwii> hehe
[10:06] <kwwii> I see that voting is pretty popular
[10:07] <omeg> Well, I've finished the font, and it seems to work, but I can only open BDF fonts in xmbdfed.
[10:07] <omeg> Want to help me test it?
[10:09] <kwwii> erm, what does that mean to my system? :-)
[10:09] <kwwii> watching a football match at the moment :-)
[10:09] <omeg> Arsenal - Barcelona?
[10:09] <kwwii> yepp
[10:09] <omeg> I was watching it until I decided to come back here to finish this thing :P
[10:09] <omeg> I guess I'll just upload it so others can test it later and go back to watching
[10:09] <kwwii> :-)
[10:09] <kwwii> I keep running back and forth
[10:14] <omeg> http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/new/Usplash_Mono.bdf
[10:14] <omeg> Whoever can test it, please do and give feedback if you have any. :)