[01:36] <ereotav> i just installed 10.10 on my comp..i have two hdds..i put it on sda (c:\) but my sdb (d:\) seems "split" in half.. any ideas
[06:40] <sogepp> yo guys, is there any da modeling as power designer on linux, wich could open and edit the power designer output?
[06:41] <pleia2> hmm, not familiar with power designer
[09:33] <babymammothlives> hello, im trying to change my ip on my cable ISP. It works on windows but i cant get ubuntu 10.10 to take this comman -> ifdown eth0
[09:33] <bioterror> sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[09:33] <bioterror> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[09:34] <babymammothlives> ok, let me test n ty
[09:34] <bioterror> and I believe that will not change your protocol from v4 to v56 ;)
[09:34] <bioterror> v6 even
[09:36] <bioterror> usually ISP's has some sort of lease time for the ip addresses... ;)
[09:38] <babymammothlives> that did disconnect my lan and i was able to reconnect
[09:38] <babymammothlives> but the ip stays the same
[09:38] <bioterror> ofcourse
[09:38] <bioterror> your isp has a lease time for a mac address
[09:39] <babymammothlives> yes, but cant i spoof my address ?
[09:39] <babymammothlives> i tried it once and it didn't do much but stop some functions on my computer
[09:40] <bioterror> did you get banned from 4chan or why you want another ip address
[09:40] <babymammothlives> im just wondering why it wont allot me to use this ifdown eth0
[09:40] <babymammothlives> funny enough
[09:40] <babymammothlives> i read this guy had gotten banned from 4chan and was trying to do the same on the ubuntu forums
[09:40] <bioterror> did you use sudo
[09:41] <babymammothlives> ive tried typing sudo in front of it, yes
[09:43] <babymammothlives> ifdown: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[09:44] <babymammothlives> i read that i may have to do it in root and i have no idea what that means
[09:45] <babymammothlives> These commands should be executed as root or via sudo  <--this is what i read
[09:49] <bioterror> yes
[10:05] <dustring010> HOWDY! any grub experts here?
[10:07] <MrChrisDruif> dustring010: Not me, but what do you want to know?
[10:07] <dustring010> well everytime there is a kernel update or something grub add 2 more linux entries to itself....
[10:08] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe that is because the older kernel are still on your system :)
[10:08] <dustring010> im at 8 entries already... 4 if u dont count the safe modes...
[10:08] <dustring010> well how do i remove them?
[10:09] <MrChrisDruif> Search in Synaptic for linux-headers if I'm not mistaking :)
[10:10] <MrChrisDruif> And ofc only selected the old ones....the newest you should keep
[10:10] <MrChrisDruif> Hai hajour :)
[10:10] <dustring010> lol
[10:11] <MrChrisDruif> Just making sure ;)
[10:12] <dustring010> theres a ton.... im unsure of what to remove safely
[10:13] <MrChrisDruif> I'll have a looksy myself...
[10:13] <dustring010> lol ty
[10:16] <MrChrisDruif> I've only got these (linux-headers-2.6.35-24-generic, linux-headers-2.6.35-24, linux-headers-generic) marked as installed with these versions (2.6.35-24.42, 2.6.35-24.42, <IP_ADDRESS>.28) behind them :)
[10:16] <dustring010> nvm
[10:17] <MrChrisDruif> You've found it?
[10:17] <dustring010> some one told me how ty vm
[10:17] <dustring010> yes
[10:18] <MrChrisDruif> As long as your problem is solved :)
[10:22] <dustring010> tyvm have a wonderful day
[10:22] <MrChrisDruif> You too :D
[10:27] <yofel> MrChrisDruif: the headers should get removed on update, what says are the images (linux-image-2.6.35-XX-generic) [for safety reasons]
[10:27] <yofel> s/says/stays/
[10:30] <MrChrisDruif> So linux-image should be removed instead to remove them from grub? (I never see grub, so I don't know
[12:53] <Bipul`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/558979/ whats wrong in it
[12:53] <Bipul`> any one
[12:54] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge dkimproxy
[12:54] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge vsftpd
[12:57] <Bipul`> bioterror,  what this command will do
[12:58] <bioterror> remove
[12:58] <bioterror> and take the config files with it too
[12:58] <bioterror> if that doesnt help, then we have to use dpkg
[12:59] <Bipul`> ok
[13:00] <Bipul`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/558983/ check this now
[13:00] <Bipul`> i think it remove now
[13:00] <bioterror> ahh, you're root man
[13:00] <bioterror> jah mon!
[13:01] <bioterror> Bipul`, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:02] <Bipul`> updating is over and now i think its downloading something linux images
[13:03] <bioterror> oh those silly linux images, always breaking something
[13:04] <Bipul`> it will take 15 mins to complet upgrading
[13:15] <Bipul`> bioterror,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/558984/ check this
[13:16] <Bipul`> and my ftp is stil active
[13:39] <Bipul`> hellow
[13:40] <Bipul`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/558991/ any one here can look at this problem
[13:42] <Bipul`> sory got my mistake :p
[13:42] <szczur> are you running synaptic or other package manager at the same time?
[13:43] <Bipul`> yes that why
[14:13] <Bipul`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/559008/ can any one help me ?
[14:15] <bioterror> The following partially installed packages will be configured:
[14:15] <bioterror>   dkimproxy
[14:23] <Bipul`> yes bioterror
[14:23] <bioterror> for what do you need it
[14:23] <bioterror> and that seems to be broken
[14:23] <Bipul`> i wants to know whats wrong with it as i am getting every time when ever i install any application related to LAMP
[14:23] <Bipul`> linux apache mysql perl
[14:30] <bioterror> Bipul`, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkimproxy/+bug/588960
[14:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588960 in dkimproxy "package dkimproxy 1.2-3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:40] <bioterror> Bipul`, CHECK HERE!! ^^
[16:00] <joe_happy> hello
[16:02] <joe_happy> i need a litle help pzz
[16:04] <AbhiJit> joe_happy, ask
[16:07] <joe_happy> sorry
[16:07] <joe_happy> i was talking on the ubuntu chanel and the helped me
[16:07] <AbhiJit> i was disconnected
[16:08] <joe_happy> thanks anyway dont worry
[16:08] <joe_happy> i needed help reseting the panel but now i have the command
[16:08] <AbhiJit> ok
[16:08] <AbhiJit> hmm
[16:08] <joe_happy> but you knwo if you could help me with something else
[16:08] <AbhiJit> ask in general to channel. if anyone knows they will answer
[16:09] <aveilleux> !ask joe_happy
[16:09] <ubot2> Factoid 'ask joe_happy' not found
[16:09] <aveilleux> whoop
[16:09] <aveilleux> !ask | joe_happy
[16:09] <ubot2> joe_happy: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[16:10] <joe_happy> kay thanks haha
[16:10] <joe_happy> well i wanted an explanation about installing theme like whats matacity and gtk1 and gtk2
[16:11] <joe_happy> metacity*
[16:15] <AbhiJit> joe_happy, you want a nice theme for your ubuntu?
[16:16] <joe_happy> yeah i went to gnome look but i dont understand all of it
[16:17] <AbhiJit> joe_happy, http://www.bisigi-project.org/?lang=en
[16:18] <joe_happy> thank you il look into that
[16:18] <Dangr_> AbhiJit: Thats pretty cool. I haven't seen that site before.
[16:19] <AbhiJit> :o
[16:19] <AbhiJit> oh yah
[16:19] <AbhiJit> its really nice project
[16:19] <AbhiJit> i just forgot what i am doing in this channne for 1 sec!!!!!!!
[16:31] <joe_happy> hey i need some helo with the terminal when i type any command and it ask for my password y type it and then it says command not found and dosnt ask for my password again when i type the comand again just command not found
[16:34] <Dangr_> joe_happy: what command? Any command?
[16:34] <joe_happy> nope this one
[16:34] <joe_happy> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:alecive/antigone && sudo apt-get update
[16:34] <joe_happy> and it also has happened to my with other commands
[16:36] <aveilleux> joe_happy: sudo has a timeout period. It won't ask for your password if you've used sudo within the past few minutes.
[16:36] <aveilleux> joe_happy: Also, run: sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[16:36] <joe_happy> this happened to me before so i used sudo su - to install directly from root
[16:36] <joe_happy> ohh i didnt know that
[16:37] <aveilleux> joe_happy: Don't log into root if you don't need to
[16:37] <joe_happy> and well afther that it told me to instal the aptitude package
[16:37] <aveilleux> joe_happy: What did?
[16:38] <joe_happy> ok so how do i log out of root?
[16:38] <joe_happy> the terminal
[16:40] <aveilleux> joe_happy: type "exit"
[16:41] <joe_happy> done
[16:41] <joe_happy> and with python it told me its allready installed in the most current version
[16:42] <joe_happy> well afther that i had to format my computer and i dont know if i should install aptitude again
[16:42] <aveilleux> joe_happy: No
[16:42] <joe_happy> mm ok
[16:43] <joe_happy> can i know why?
[17:04] <joe_happy> is there a short cut form the keyboard to open the terminal la crtl t or something?
[17:06] <Dangr_> joe_happy: I'm not on my Ubuntu machine at the moment but I think you can set this in Compiz Keyboard
[17:07] <Dangr_> joe_happy: but I'm not sure
[17:07] <Dangr_> *Keyboard Shortcuts
[17:08] <joe_happy> kay thank you
[17:32] <johnny77> My update manager is not working. It tells me that there are updates, but does nothing when I click install.
[17:33] <holstein> johnny77: try restarting the manager
[17:33] <holstein> and make sure you get your pass right
[17:33] <holstein> that would be my first guess
[17:34] <johnny77> holstein: update manager is supposed to ask for a password? well it's not. I bet that is the problem. How do I get it to ask?
[17:35] <holstein> johnny77: you can always logout
[17:35] <holstein> and back in
[17:36] <holstein> if that is easiest
[17:36] <holstein> personnally
[17:36] <holstein> i just wouldnt worry about the updates right now
[17:36] <holstein> OR
[17:36] <holstein> i would close it
[17:36] <holstein> and run sudo apt-get update
[17:36] <holstein> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:38] <johnny77> holstein: This has been happening for a while... I have been using update/upgrade, but it would be nice if I could get update-manager to do it.
[17:38] <holstein> eh
[17:38] <holstein> i turn it off
[17:38] <holstein> i think its nice not to be hassled by it
[17:38] <Dangr_> holstein: is there a downside at all to using the update manager
[17:38] <holstein> and choose when i want it to run
[17:38] <holstein> Dangr_: in theory, no
[17:39] <holstein> unless an update breaks something
[17:39] <holstein> OR if the update manager is working in the background, and you dont want it to be
[17:40] <holstein> johnny77: you can try running update-manager from the terminal
[17:40] <holstein> see you you get helpful error output there
[17:48] <johnny77> it looks like for some reason update-manager is not automatically asking for the password. If I typed in gksu update-manager it forced it to ask for a password. Is there a file somewhere that specifies which programs need to be run as a super user?
[17:50] <Cheri703> I have an update manager question too...
[17:50] <Cheri703> mine is saying "to install all updates, do a partial upgrade"
[18:36] <johnny77> what does GTK+ X mean?
[18:37] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B
[18:39] <greyfiend> I'm getting a "gave up waiting for root device" error while booting, it only happens when I have the USB digital TV receiver plugged in. Any suggestions on where to start with this?
[19:22] <sssssssss> hey so i cannot connect to the internet on my linux comp because it does not have wireless capability and it is far from my router so i connected an ethernet cable between that and my macbook and set up a network i  think anyway my macbook says the ethernet port is connected while my linux comp still does not get internet please and thank you
[19:23] <ibuclaw> sssssssss, is that a question?
[19:23] <sssssssss> yeah sry i need help
[19:23] <sssssssss> i have a broken hand so it took me forevr to type
[19:24] <holstein> sssssssss: easiest way is to get internet to the machine wired
[19:24] <holstein> i would try restarting the machine
[19:24] <sssssssss> i know but my router is so far away
[19:24] <sssssssss> ok
[19:24] <holstein> im not sure how that gets set up in OSX
[19:24] <sssssssss> what the network
[19:24] <holstein> SO, we dont know if its the wired card in buntu
[19:24] <holstein> OR the config in OSX
[19:25] <holstein> you can DL what you need on the macbook
[19:25] <holstein> and transfer them to the buntu machine with a USB stick or whatever
[19:25] <sssssssss> yeah i guess
[19:26] <sssssssss> i think its the config in ubuntu
[19:26] <sssssssss> cause it says its not configured
[19:26] <holstein> sssssssss: you just plugged it in
[19:26] <sssssssss> but im n ot sure y
[19:26] <holstein> so there is no config in buntu yet
[19:27] <holstein> if the macbook is sending it, the buntu box *should* be seeing and using it
[19:27] <Dangr_> sssssssss: Is your Mac configured to have Internet sharing?
[19:27] <sssssssss> idk
[19:27] <sssssssss> how would i check
[19:27] <Dangr_> sssssssss: System Preferences > Sharing
[19:27] <Dangr_> It should be listed in the left column
[19:28] <Dangr_> sssssssss: hopefully that will fix it
[19:28] <Dangr_> sssssssss: I haven't tried it before this way but who knows - hopefully that is all there is to it
[19:30] <sssssssss> i did turn on sharing and i did also set up the network settings in ubuntu my macbook says its connected
[19:30] <sssssssss> but it still doesnt work
[19:31] <Dangr_> Hmm
[19:31] <sssssssss> im
[19:31] <sssssssss>
[19:31] <holstein> sssssssss: do you have any other wired internet device?
[19:31] <holstein> to plug into the macbook
[19:31] <holstein> so you know that it is doing the job
[19:31] <sssssssss> i dont know how to seup netwroks i just googled how to set up a quick one
[19:32] <holstein> right
[19:32] <sssssssss> one sec
[19:32] <holstein> that would be my first point of trouble-shooting
[19:32] <Dangr_> sssssssss: http://superuser.com/questions/141407/share-internet-via-ethernet-from-mac-osx-to-ubuntu-10-04
[19:32] <Dangr_> Seems like they are looking for something similar
[19:32]  * bioterror notices that his beachball senses are tingling ;)
[19:32] <holstein> you have an unknown box on an unknown network
[19:33] <holstein> bioterror: hehe, beach-ball ;)
[19:33] <holstein> sssssssss: unless the router is up on the roof
[19:33] <bioterror> sssssssss, first of all: edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[19:33] <holstein> i think the easiest way it to plug right into the router
[19:33] <bioterror> put correct workgroup and so on
[19:34] <holstein> easiest by 90% or so id say
[19:34] <sssssssss> nope
[19:34] <bioterror> I cant remember how os x handled shares
[19:34] <bioterror> o yeah
[19:34] <bioterror> you had to connect with hostname/ip address
[19:35] <holstein> bioterror: sssssssss is trying to pass the internet through to the buntu machine
[19:35] <bioterror> smb://ip-address/share/
[19:35] <holstein> the buntu box is not ont he network yet
[19:35] <holstein> has no connection
[19:35] <sssssssss> wait what should i do first
[19:35] <holstein> sssssssss: walk to the router ;)
[19:36] <bioterror> read basics of networking
[19:36] <sssssssss> haha i get it but its a desktop and the routeris upstairs
[19:36] <sssssssss> ok
[19:36] <sssssssss> well this is what i did http://www.wikihow.com/Connect-Two-Computers
[19:37] <sssssssss> haha i guess its probably wroong for what im doing
[19:37] <holstein> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=mac/10.5/en/8156.html
[19:37] <holstein> sssssssss: you're not connecting 2 computers
[19:37] <holstein> necessarly
[19:38] <holstein> you need the internet to be shared
[19:38] <sssssssss> what is the difference  they both have 2 ip addresses on a network right? i mean idk but it looked good to me
[19:38] <holstein> on the mac
[19:38] <sssssssss> and i did turn on sharing
[19:38] <holstein> the mac will recieve the internet via wifi
[19:38] <holstein> and act as a router
[19:38] <holstein> sharing the connection with the machine on the wired device
[19:39] <holstein> im not sure what the process is like on OSX
[19:39] <sssssssss> yes the mac is the router and is using airport and yes sharing for the wired connecting
[19:39] <holstein> right
[19:39] <holstein> not connecting the 2 machines together
[19:40] <holstein> thats not the goal
[19:40] <holstein> file-sharing
[19:40] <sssssssss> it seems pretty easy i think its something very stupid that i didnt do
[19:40] <holstein> the goal is internet sharing
[19:40] <holstein> 2 totally differnt things
[19:40] <holstein> that can be mutually exculsive
[19:40] <holstein> exclusive*
[19:41] <holstein> you need to reduce the variables
[19:41] <holstein> you need to either confirm that osx is sharing the network and acting as a router
[19:41] <holstein> OR confirm that the buntu box's wired device is working properly
[19:41] <sssssssss> when i go to networ settings on the ubuntu machine and go to the hosts tab i dont see me macbook though i dont know if it should be there or not
[19:41] <holstein> right now, you cant say which is failing
[19:42] <holstein> sssssssss: you wont
[19:42] <holstein> it'll just see network
[19:42] <holstein> like its a router
[19:42] <holstein> when you have the mac properly sharing its network connection
[19:43] <holstein> you'll just have internet on the buntu box
[19:43] <holstein> IF the wired device is being used properly by buntu
[19:43] <sssssssss> ok
[19:45] <sssssssss> if i do what it says on the thing i was reading it said to ping to see it h=the connection it there what should i then be looking for
[19:45]  * holstein shrugs
[19:45] <Dangr_> Ummm
[19:45] <holstein> the ip address?
[19:45] <Dangr_> Well I guess you can ping the computer (mac)
[19:45] <Dangr_> and see if that comes back
[19:46] <sssssssss> k
[19:46] <sssssssss> also if they are connected at all wouldnt i be able to see like a network place on my macbook
[19:47] <holstein> nah
[19:47] <holstein> thats not set up yet
[19:47] <Dangr_> probably not
[19:47] <Dangr_> yeah
[19:47] <holstein> and is not the same at all
[19:47] <holstein> you're just trying to get internet
[19:48] <holstein> that can be passed through the mac, or any other device acting as a router
[19:48] <sssssssss> ok well what i meant was maybe i set it up for the wrong thing
[19:48] <holstein> and not give you access to 'shares' or 'network places'
[19:48] <Dangr_> Does Ubuntu have a feature like that? Is there a package or system setting for Internet sharing?
[19:48] <Dangr_> I don't even know, now I'm curious
[19:48] <holstein> Dangr_: yes
[19:48] <holstein> ive used the printer one
[19:48] <holstein> back in 9.10
[19:48] <holstein> worked nice
[19:49] <holstein> still working nice *
[19:49] <Dangr_> printer as in sharing printers
[19:49] <sssssssss> my frind has a bunch of mac windows and linux comps all sharing the same internet through one comp running osx
[19:49] <holstein> sssssssss: thats who i would ask
[19:49] <sssssssss> yeah hes busy cant talk haha
[19:49] <holstein> your friend would know how to conigure your OSX box to act as a router
[19:50] <aveilleux> sssssssss: Wirelessly? Because wireless Internet sharing is easy.
[19:50] <holstein> should be easy as http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=mac/10.5/en/8156.html though
[19:50] <sssssssss> no he has a wired connected between them all
[19:50] <holstein> aveilleux: needs to provide wired to buntu
[19:50] <holstein> in this case
[19:50] <aveilleux> holstein: I know, I'm saying his friend who uses OSX as a router might just share the connection wirelessly.
[19:51] <sssssssss> anyway when i ping the me=acbook from the buntu it says set 54 packets and then says 64bytes from the ip address of my macbook the icmp_req=some number ttl=64 and the time
[19:52] <sssssssss> so i think thats means they are connected
[19:52] <Dangr_> yes
[19:52] <holstein> ping -c 4 google.com
[19:52] <holstein> or whatever
[19:53] <holstein> good luck... naptime...
[19:53] <Dangr_> lol
[19:53] <sssssssss> k thnks
[20:02] <sssssssss> i will figure that out on my own but would anyone be able to help me with this... my buntu comp was running window and needing wireless i bought a wireless card that plugs into a pci slot the drivers were for windows is it possible to use that card?
[20:04] <Dangr_> Possibly
[20:04] <Dangr_> One sec theres a page for that
[20:05] <Dangr_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[20:05] <Dangr_> That should help - its what I used to buy my card
[20:05] <sssssssss> haha thanks i should have just googled it and the thing is i bought this a while ago so i guess ill just check if its supported
[20:06] <Dangr_> sssssssss: Also I haven't tried this but I found this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[20:07] <sssssssss> thank u Dangr_:
[20:08] <Dangr_> No problem
[20:15] <sssssssss> Dangr_ so i went to the wireless card link then the first likn to see if my card is supported and it is not but then it says there are drivers avalible at a link what does that mean
[20:16] <Dangr_> Well it means it could work
[20:16] <Dangr_> Is your card in the computer ?
[20:16] <sssssssss> yeah
[20:16] <Dangr_> Have you tried looking for proprietary drivers
[20:16] <sssssssss> but how could it not be supported but there are drivers
[20:16] <sssssssss> well im at a website that is said to have them
[20:17] <Dangr_> Whats the page you are at
[20:18] <sssssssss> http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo it is a how to on the driver haha
[20:18] <sssssssss> the link was from the ubuntu supported card page
[20:19] <Dangr_> Looks like it could be useful
[20:20] <Dangr_> But I'm not sure since I haven't had to do this before, sorry. I bought a card from the supported list so I wouldn't have to go through it :P
[20:20] <Dangr_> But you did try to see if the card worked at all and it doesnt?
[20:20] <sssssssss> well im gonna try it i guess anyway again dangr_ and anyone else who helped me
[20:20] <sssssssss> o
[20:20] <sssssssss> uh no it doesnt even show up on the network list
[20:21] <Dangr_> :-/
[20:21] <sssssssss> what? how would i check
[20:22] <_spacer_> i would like to know how to open a gnome terminal from a remote connection
[20:24] <Dangr_> _spacer_: like ssh?
[20:25] <_spacer_> i am currently connected via ssh to my home computer running ubuntu. how can i force a gnome-terminal to open up on the home pc
[20:25] <Dangr_> Oh, uh idk never thought to do that
[20:25] <Dangr_> Why do you want to?
[20:25] <_spacer_> my son is supposed to be studying, but he is dickin around on facebook.
[20:26] <Dangr_> hahaha thats awesome
[20:26] <_spacer_> i would like to exercise my roll as a mature adult, and fuck with him
[20:26] <paultag> _spacer_: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[20:26] <paultag> _spacer_: then run "firefox http://porn.site.com", then barge in
[20:26] <paultag> _spacer_: and accuse him of watching porm
[20:26] <paultag> porn *
[20:27] <_spacer_> lets have a go....too funny, but i dont want to scar him
[20:27] <paultag> where porn.site.com is a real porn site ;)
[20:27] <_spacer_> i got that
[20:27] <paultag> _spacer_: if you run the "export DISPLAY=:0.0.", as the local logged in user, you can throw open X windows
[20:27] <paultag> _spacer_: just be sure to export, and run as his local user
[20:28] <paultag> in opposite order
[20:28] <_spacer_> ok lets try
[20:28] <paultag> sudo su bobby # if he's bobby
[20:28] <paultag> export DISPLAY=:0.0
[20:28] <paultag> firefox http://thewillpower.org
[20:29] <paultag> be sure to use `alsamixer' to turn his speakers up
[20:33] <ibuclaw> _spacer_, ssh I.P.Add -u username -X firefox http://porn.site :)
[20:33] <paultag> ibuclaw: that pops it up local you twisted lamer!
[20:34] <ibuclaw> paultag, *blink*
[20:34] <paultag> ibuclaw: _spacer_ here is one of them grown-up-types who's messing with his kid
[20:34] <ibuclaw> totally forgot! :3
[20:34] <paultag> ibuclaw: <3
[20:35] <ibuclaw> well, my definition of "messing with kid" is playing word tricks with them. ;)
[20:35] <paultag> ibuclaw: :)
[20:35] <ibuclaw> "What are you doing ‽"
[20:36] <ibuclaw> "Nothing"
[20:36] <ibuclaw> "Exactly!" D:
[20:36] <paultag> ha!
[20:36] <Dangr_> This sounds neat
[20:36] <Dangr_> hmmm
[20:37] <ibuclaw> right, I've got to rest. -_-
[20:38] <paultag> ibuclaw: night!
[20:38] <Dangr_> _spacer_: let me know how that works out - export sounds interesting
[20:38] <Dangr_> _spacer_: are you doing it now?
[20:41] <ibuclaw> btw, anyone got a sheevaplug?
[20:41] <ibuclaw> http://iainbuclaw.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/dsc_0196-e1292536966182.jpg
[20:43] <Dangr_> Neat, so that works like a portable server?
[20:43] <_spacer_> sorry called away @ work hang on
[20:44] <_spacer_> glad i checked that link....
[20:54] <_spacer_> i get a cannot open display error
[20:56] <_spacer_> ha ha
[20:56] <_spacer_> it worked, i screwed it up the first time
[21:08] <NutsAboutUbuntu> I guess we can connect the speaker output to the microphone input, of a laptop, in order to record what is being played by the laptop. Is it possible to do without the cable? In other words, is it possible to record something the laptop is playing through an internal connection?
[21:12] <aveilleux> NutsAboutUbuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2948327&postcount=2
[21:13] <aveilleux> NutsAboutUbuntu: Or, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1531367
[21:15] <NutsAboutUbuntu> Thank you very much aveilleux. You've put me on the right track.
[21:16] <aveilleux> NutsAboutUbuntu: No problem
[21:32] <ibuclaw> ok
[21:32] <ibuclaw> I have login running on /dev/ttyUSB0
[21:32] <ibuclaw> any ideas on connecting to it? 8-)
[21:33] <jasono> Hi. Can someone please help me with creating a 3D Aluminum model in Blender?
[21:34] <aveilleux> jasono: Try #blender
[21:36] <jasono> aveilleux THat's what I need help on but #Blender is no help.
[21:39] <aveilleux> jasono: Why?
[21:40] <jasono> I cannot follow the instructions.
[21:40] <aveilleux> jasono: Why not?
[21:41] <jasono> Uncomprehendable in the format given.
[21:41] <aveilleux> jasono: I think you mean incomprehensible, and what do you mean by that:
[21:42] <aveilleux> ?*
[21:42] <jasono> I can't understand the direction because of the length that was given to me.
[21:43] <jasono> It looks mixed up. Which to follow? What comes second?
[21:43] <aveilleux> jasono: I still don't understand what you're saying. Normally instructions are written in the order that you perform them in.
[21:43] <jasono> aveilleux Never mind, it's okey.
[23:55] <jasono> Hi. Can anyone help me save my registerd nickname info on XChat so I don't have to log in with a command every time?
[23:59] <zkriesse> jasono: Yeah I can do that bro


[01:33] <wasabi> huh. i wonder if making xserver kick off dpkg-reconfigure on itself when it fails to start is a good idea.
[01:33] <wasabi> heh.
[01:33] <wasabi> !!! HACK !!!
[02:20] <bob2> how annoying
[02:20] <bob2> my laptop will only associate with my AP for about 20 seconds
[02:20] <bob2> then it drops
[02:55] <yann_> hello :)
[02:55] <yann_> any webmaster of ubuntulinux.org, or a way to contact one of theme? didn't get any answer to my mails :/
[02:56] <yann_> we're creating a french support site for ubuntu, including a forum, would be nice if there could be a link in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/
[03:14] <bob2> who did you email?
[03:15] <yann_> info & webmaster @ ubuntulinux.org
[03:20] <bob2> when?
[03:20] <yann_> the first about a month ago, the second about 2 weeks ago
[03:21] <yann_> both were about a french site about ubuntu
[03:23] <yann_> 12/13/2004 07:33 PM
[03:23] <yann_> from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:23] <yann_> if that could help you :|
[03:23] <yann_> that was to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:25] <yann_> the first mail is from 11/30/2004 01:54 AM , to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:25] <yann_> does that help? :|
[03:34] <yann_> well, do you think I should try to mail again? :/
[04:52] <bob2> hm, no cds yet
[04:53] <bob2> mako: if the cds claimed to have shipped on nov 8th, but aren't here yet, is it time to start wondering?
[04:56] <calc> wow that is a while
[04:57] <calc> i got mine back at thanksgiving
[05:31] <bob2> daniels: my X laptop gets very unhappy when I start a second X server
[06:34] <wasabi> I still haven't gotten mine either.
[06:34] <wasabi> CD's that is.
[06:36] <bob2> have you checked shipit.ubuntu.com?
[06:41] <kergan> how long does it take on average
[06:42] <bob2> depends on when you order
[06:42] <bob2> they go out in bunches
[06:42] <kergan> i orderd them aroung turkey day
[06:42] <kergan> and not it finaly told me thay sent them on the 6th of this month
[06:44] <bob2> should be there very soon then
[06:47] <kylem> bob2, i've the same problem. (same ship date too)
[06:47] <kergan> 2 weeks
[06:47] <kergan> really
[06:47] <kergan> wow thats fast specaly since its the x-mas malling seasion
[07:00] <calc> they are shipped from switzerland i think
[07:00] <calc> so probably takes a while
[07:00] <fabbione> morning
[07:00] <calc> fabbione: hi
[07:08] <doko> morning all
[07:10] <fabbione> hey doko
[07:10] <fabbione> doko: we need a 64bit gcc for ppc
[07:13] <doko> fabbione: see on chinstrap:~doko/gcc/
[07:14] <fabbione> sw33t
[07:14] <fabbione> why isn't uploaded?
[07:16] <doko> it's C only, we don't a 64bit glibc, no priority, ...
[07:16] <fabbione> doko: we need the gcc for the 64bit kernel :-)
[07:16] <fabbione> the rest can wait
[07:17] <fabbione> doko: we will need a very minimal amount of packages in 64 bit
[07:17] <calc> just buy an x86-64 ;)
[07:18] <fabbione> like gcc, libc, ncurses and something like sparc-utils
[07:18] <calc> does ubuntu work on g5's already?
[07:18] <fabbione> calc: our buildd are g5
[07:18] <calc> cool
[07:18] <fabbione> but they are running UP/32bit
[07:18] <calc> oh
[07:18] <fabbione> because of kernel limitations
[07:18] <calc> that kinda sucks, wasting half of the system then
[07:19] <calc> is it numa like amd64?
[07:19] <fabbione> that's why we need gcc 64bit & so on...
[07:19] <fabbione> no idea...
[07:19] <fabbione> i am not into ppc at all
[07:19] <calc> oh ok
[07:19] <fabbione> i just need to prepare the kernel for elmo to test at the datacenter :)
[07:20] <doko> 32bit apps on ppc are usually faster.
[07:20] <fabbione> doko: it is like sparc
[07:20] <calc> 32bit is usually faster in general except when you have a braindead arch like x86
[07:20] <fabbione> 64bit kernel, 32 bit userland
[07:20] <fabbione> and only a few userland packages in 64bit
[07:20] <fabbione> like pgsql and stuff like that
[07:20] <calc> a 32bit x86-64 would be interesting
[07:21] <calc> i wonder if it would be even faster (if its even possible to force it into such a mode)
[07:24] <fabbione> installing on 9600bps serial console is the pain
[07:26] <wasabi> dont suppose anybody who knows much about preseeding base-config is awake
[07:31] <fabbione> wasabi: just ask
[07:32] <wasabi> Well.... trying to find the right preseeding values to get hoary's base-config to skip everything.
[07:32] <wasabi> Tried everything I can and it's still asking for username, passwor,d and showing the welcome and timezone screens
[07:33] <fabbione> wasabi: preseeding isn't always enough
[07:33] <fabbione> you need to workaround some debconf priorities as well
[07:33] <wasabi> Hmmm.
[07:33] <wasabi> Well, not sure how to adjust the priorities of base-config, which is started automatically.
[07:34] <fabbione> you need to edit the scripts
[07:34] <wasabi> the base-config scripts?
[07:34] <fabbione> yes
[07:34] <wasabi> nuh.
[07:34] <wasabi> buh.
[07:34] <wasabi> that's not easy. =/
[07:37] <fabbione> i never said it was :)
[07:37] <wasabi> I was just hoping.
[07:37] <wasabi> It should be easier.
[07:39] <wasabi> So, there a howto? ;0
[07:40] <fabbione> just read the code? ;)
[07:40] <wasabi> =(
[07:56] <pitti> Morning
[08:10] <fabbione> hey pitti
[09:11] <pitti> Hi mvo
[09:12] <mvo> hi pitti
[09:28] <sid77> hi
[09:43] <pitti> Hi seb128
[09:44] <Treenaks> "seb128 broke my gnome" ?
[09:44] <seb128> morning
[09:44] <seb128> (mataro server)
[09:44] <seb128> Treenaks: hum ?
[09:44] <Treenaks> seb128: why did I have to rm ~/.gnome2/session to make my panel work again? :)
[09:45] <seb128> "seb128 broke your panel"
[09:45] <Treenaks> seb128: and nautilus.. I couldn't right-click on the desktop either
[09:45] <seb128> Treenaks: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet
[09:45] <seb128> nothing to do with the session
[09:45] <seb128> that's a gnome-vfs-daemon bug
[09:45] <Treenaks> seb128: removing the session fixed it for me
[09:46] <seb128> no
[09:46] <seb128> restarting fixed it
[09:46] <seb128> no ?
[09:46] <seb128> the bug doesn't happen every time
[09:46] <Treenaks> seb128: no, I tried to log in 3 times -- each time the panel "hung".. removing the session file -> it worked again
[09:47] <Treenaks> seb128: so that was a coincidence?
[09:47] <seb128> yep
[09:47] <seb128> you have kept the session ?
[09:48] <Treenaks> I moved it aside instead of rm'ing it, so yes
[09:48] <Treenaks> not that I used it for anything but starting gaim.. but hey
[09:48] <seb128> you can retry to put it again and see if it bugs
[09:49] <Treenaks> tonight, when I'm with the machine again :)
[09:49] <seb128> ok
[09:49] <seb128> if the session is broken open a bug with it :)
[09:51] <seb128> brrr
[09:51] <seb128> -9C according to my weather
[09:51] <seb128> at least now it feels like december :)
[09:55] <Treenaks> 8)
[10:19] <pitti> daniels: ping
[10:20] <pitti> Kamion: already awake?
[10:25] <pitti> Keybuk: here?
[10:26] <seb128> pitti: apparently you are the only one working here :p
[10:26] <fabbione> pitti: daniels is in vac...
[10:26] <pitti> yes, I remembered about daniels as soon as I hit enter :-/
[10:27] <pitti> I need a native English speaker to review an USN text
[10:27] <mvo> pitti: how can I train pmount to not sync mount certain volumes in warty? i.e. external HDs
[10:28] <pitti> mvo: upgrade to hal/pmount/gvm of Hoary :-)
[10:28] <pitti> mvo: seriously, this is not trivial in Warty
[10:28] <pitti> mvo: the easiest solution is probably to add an fstab entry
[10:28] <mvo> pitti: aye, thanks#
[10:29] <pitti> gosh, all channels are so quiet today - it almost feels like it was christmas, or so...
[10:30] <ogra> heh
[10:30] <seb128_> I can make some noise if you want :p
[10:30] <mvo> lalalalala
[10:30] <ogra> lololo
[10:30] <mvo> let's sing a christmas song
[10:30] <mvo> ;)
[10:30] <ogra> hehe
[10:31] <pitti>  Frhliche Weihnacht berall
[10:31] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[10:31] <ogra> lalalalalala la lala
[10:31] <mvo> Treenaks: come on, now a dutch one !
[10:31] <ogra> yay
[10:31] <pitti>
[10:32] <seb128_>  lalala
[10:38] <wasabi> *bathes
[10:54] <seb128> hum
[10:54] <seb128> and now
[10:54] <seb128> /usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory
[10:54] <seb128> (running dput)
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: if it gives you a better feeling, my python XML support is gone, too
[10:55] <seb128> :(
[10:55] <pitti> Mithrandir: ping
[11:09] <fabbione> doko: did you realize that you uploaded gcc3.4 as native package?
[11:09] <fabbione> no
[11:09] <fabbione> nevermind
[11:09] <fabbione> i am on crack
[11:10] <Kamion> pitti: yo
[11:10] <fabbione> Kamion: i did bootstrap the sparc :-)
[11:11] <Kamion> cool
[11:11] <fabbione> plenty of problems, but nothing unfixable
[11:11] <fabbione> for some reasons d-i installed a -smp kernel (=kabuum)
[11:11] <Kamion> that's easy to sort out
[11:11] <fabbione> and it didn't find silo-installer or couldn't install silo for some reasons
[11:12] <fabbione> and it did add restricted to sources.list
[11:12] <fabbione> that's another kabuum
[11:12] <fabbione> probably 2 of them are related
[11:12] <Kamion> not really interested in kludging the restricted thing for sparc only; fix your archive :)
[11:13] <fabbione> Kamion: well... there is nothing restricted for sparc...
[11:13] <Kamion> for the rest, can you send me /var/log/debian-installer/syslog from the installed system?
[11:13] <fabbione> but yeah...
[11:13] <fabbione> i will fix my archive
[11:13] <Kamion> sure, but d-i doesn't get to know that
[11:13] <fabbione> sure i can
[11:13] <Kamion> the silo thing is weird
[11:14] <fabbione> it might be something wrong on the archive... i didn't spend too much time on it
[11:14] <Kamion> oh, *crap*, silo-installer is RETARDED
[11:14] <Kamion> ok, that's silo-installer brokenness which needs to be fixed
[11:14] <fabbione> Kamion: oh.. ok
[11:15] <Kamion> unfortunately it means a string change
[11:16] <fabbione> Kamion: hmmm
[11:16] <Kamion> it might be easier to kludge it by unexcluding silo from debootstrap for now
[11:17] <fabbione> Kamion: no rush....
[11:17] <fabbione> it is more important to get the correct kernel
[11:17] <fabbione> at least in the beginning
[11:17] <Kamion> fabbione: what does the 'ncpus probed' line in /proc/cpuinfo look like?
[11:18] <fabbione> ncpus probed    : 1
[11:18] <fabbione> this is with 2.6.8 from debian
[11:18] <Kamion> fabbione: hm, is linux-sparc64 in your archive?
[11:18] <Kamion> it's in restricted ... :)
[11:19] <fabbione> Kamion: the most important thing is that i need to figure why the console hangs at the end of the boot process
[11:19] <fabbione> isn't that from linux-meta?
[11:19] <Kamion> actually it might not be in restricted, haven't checked
[11:19] <Kamion> yes
[11:19] <mako> bob2: yeah, it may be a problem.. i am making a list of probably borked cds
[11:19] <mako> bob2: shipments that is.. i'll be contacting the companya bout them
[11:19] <fabbione> linux-sparc64_2.6.9-4_sparc.deb
[11:19] <mako> bob2: i have a half a dozen now
[11:20] <fabbione> Kamion: i get this in main
[11:20] <Kamion> hm
[11:20] <Kamion> /var/log/debian-installer/syslog definitely needed to debug
[11:20] <fabbione> i did send you the mail....
[11:20] <fabbione> did you get it?
[11:20] <Kamion> haven't read mail yet this morning
[11:20] <fabbione> ah ok
[11:20] <fabbione> take your time
[11:21] <fabbione> i need to go and cut my hairs
[11:21] <fabbione> + the buildd is catching up
[11:21] <fabbione> all that lsb-* is crap on console :-)
[11:21] <fabbione> it looks really really really hugly
[11:21] <seb128> doko: here ?
[11:22] <wasabi> waaaah
[11:23] <Kamion> wasabi: you know that the username/password stuff is in shadow not base-config, right?
[11:23] <wasabi> i can't even get the welcoem screen to go away.
[11:24] <wasabi> but no, i didn't.
[11:24] <Kamion> # Avoid the introductory message.
[11:24] <Kamion> base-config     base-config/intro       note
[11:24] <Kamion> does that not work?
[11:24] <wasabi> i have that, and no.
[11:25] <wasabi> # Skip the two initial welcome screens.
[11:25] <wasabi> base-config     base-config/title       title
[11:25] <wasabi> base-config     base-config/intro       note
[11:25] <wasabi> base-config     base-config/login       note
[11:25] <wasabi> i've got those.
[11:25] <wasabi> s/two/three
[11:25] <wasabi> heh
[11:25] <wasabi> s/two// =/
[11:25] <Kamion> title isn't a question anyway
[11:25] <wasabi> yeah i just saw it in debconf-get-selections and figured i'd give it a try
[11:26] <Kamion> would probably be easiest to figure out how to get base-config's debconf priority to critical
[11:27] <wasabi> so the passwd stuff is shadow now, not passwd?
[11:27] <wasabi> the manual says passwd.
[11:27] <Kamion> might require adding a base-config/priority template for preseeding; I was ordered to stop Ubuntu copying debconf/priority from the first stage
[11:27] <wasabi> or something does, or i wouldn't have done it.
[11:27] <Kamion> passwd is from the shadow source package; sure, passwd
[11:28] <wasabi> i dont know enough about templates and stuff yet.
[11:28] <wasabi> im just a user trying to deploy ubuntu today
[11:28] <Kamion> I'm at least partially talking to myself ... :)
[11:29] <wasabi> if i can get this working, fai is going to die an ugly death
[11:29] <wasabi> because i like this much better.
[11:29] <Kamion> ok, how about I add base-config/priority for you now in 2.60ubuntu4
[11:29] <wasabi> for obvious reasons.
[11:29] <wasabi> sounds good!
[11:30] <wasabi> Yeah I like the idea of having a seperate setting for base-config
[11:30] <wasabi> could be useful in certain circumstances.
[11:32] <ajmitch_> morning
[11:39] <Kamion> jdub: can I add silo to base for sparc?
[11:42] <wasabi> Kamion: are you making that change now or later? just wondering so I can stop paying attention tonight.
[11:43] <Kamion> fabbione: aha, you and ia64 share a bug, found it and am fixing now
[11:43] <Kamion> wasabi: right after this fix for Fabio
[11:43] <wasabi> you dont' have to worry about it
[11:43] <Kamion> I think it's important though
[11:43] <wasabi> oh okay. ;)
[11:44] <Kamion> lamont: tomorrow's CD should fix the ia64 kernel brokenness
[11:44] <Kamion> (in d-i)
[11:57] <Kamion> wasabi: uploaded. when you see base-config_2.60ubuntu4_all.deb in the archive, try 'base-config base-config/priority select critical'
[11:57] <wasabi> super. You rock.
[11:57] <wasabi> thank you drive thru
[11:58] <Kamion> untested though :)
[11:59] <wasabi> fun
[11:59] <mvo> Kamion: is the hoary i386-cdimage of today safe to use?
[11:59] <Kamion> mvo: no idea, probably not
[12:00] <Kamion> mvo: it includes python2.4-minimal and so needs a debootstrap update, which I'm doing now
[12:01] <mvo> is there a date that you can recommend :) ?
[12:01] <Kamion> 20041220 would be my first guess but I haven't tried it
[12:01] <mvo> ah, thanks
[12:01] <mvo> I'll give it a try then. I need a current cd to test upgrading from it
[12:32] <fabbione> Kamion: cool.. what was the bug?
[12:33] <fabbione> whoops :-)
[12:33] <fabbione> i can see from the changes ;)
[12:55] <pitti> fabbione: is there a ppc or i386 dchroot somewhere with kernel build-deps?
[12:56] <fabbione> yup
[12:56] <fabbione> ppc davis
[12:57] <pitti> cool, thanks
[12:57] <pitti> fabbione: i386 somewhere?
[12:57] <fabbione> i386.. hmm probably macaroni
[12:57] <fabbione> otherwise send me the diff and i will build it for you
[12:58] <pitti> fabbione: I don't need a full build to start with; I will probably trim down the .config for my host and test there
[12:59] <pitti> fabbione: I would like to start with the PaX kernel
[12:59] <fabbione> pitti: ah i see
[12:59] <fabbione> good luck :-)
[12:59] <pitti> fabbione: thanks!
[12:59] <pitti> fabbione: btw, SSP really rocks
[12:59] <fabbione> pitti: eheheh
[12:59] <fabbione> you are a security bitch
[12:59] <pitti> fabbione: basically, with SSP you can forget about buffer overflow USNs
[01:00] <fabbione> yeah i was there for you taking notes man
[01:00] <pitti> I know
[01:00] <fabbione> "Why don't we chroot X?"
 Asking for the Eastern, Central, etc.
[01:15] <wasabi> base-config     tzconfig/choose_contry_zone/US  select  Central
[01:15] <Kamion> you've misspelled country there
[01:16] <wasabi> HAHA
[01:16] <wasabi> ohh geeze
[01:17] <wasabi> heh. im at work now... been doing server upgrades all night
[01:17] <wasabi> I've been awake 24 hours. Forgive me.
[01:17] <Kamion> np :)
[01:18] <sid77> hi
[01:25] <fabbione> the kernel package is insane
[01:25] <fabbione> i am not sure i want to redo it from scratch
[01:36] <pitti> seb128: you broke the panel again!!!
[01:36] <pitti> seb128: I get bombarded with neverending error dialogs
[01:36] <pitti> seb128: :-)
[01:36] <seb128> arf
[01:47] <AndyFitz> okay this is silly.  and I have no idea how to resolve the problem.  gnome doesnt load and all that is shown is the panel position ( left blank ) and the desktops background colour ( not image )
[01:47] <Treenaks> AndyFitz: apparently logging in a few times fixes it
[01:47] <AndyFitz> I thought it was gconfd  because even on new user accounts it happens
[01:47] <Treenaks> no then it's gnome-vfs-daemon
[01:48] <AndyFitz> sorry ill move this to #ubuntu
[01:48] <Treenaks> AndyFitz: no, just poke seb128 :)
[01:48] <seb128> killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet
[01:49] <AndyFitz> I've gone as far as to create new user acounts and also to completely reinstall gnome entirely
[01:49] <AndyFitz> seb128: it must be gnome-session
[01:49] <AndyFitz> because I can load xfce4 fine
[01:50] <usual> AndyFitz, hey
[01:50] <AndyFitz> and from there 'sometimes'  I can loat gnome-panel
[01:50] <AndyFitz> hiya usual
[01:50] <usual> AndyFitz, havn't seen ya in a while on gaim.
[01:50] <usual> doh I got a new screenname, maybe thats why
[01:51] <AndyFitz> usual, I've been online on jabber icq irc aol msn etc etc
[01:51] <usual> AndyFitz, yea, I forgot I changed my screenname
[01:51] <usual> AndyFitz, hows it goin
[01:51] <AndyFitz> good but something broke my gnome :P
[01:51] <usual> what happens?
[01:52] <AndyFitz> see above
[01:52] <usual> ahh
[01:52] <usual> AndyFitz, are your panels there but blank?
[01:53] <AndyFitz> yep
[01:53] <AndyFitz> but only sometimes
[01:54] <AndyFitz> I think if I've uses sudo recently they seem to work   although I'm not sure
[01:54] <usual> AndyFitz, it happened to me too yesterday and the day before, but it seems fine now
[01:54] <AndyFitz> uses = used
[01:54] <usual> AndyFitz, I nuked the .hastodowithgnomedir's and it seemed to have helped
[01:55] <AndyFitz> I already tried nuking them
[01:55] <AndyFitz> the problem came back
[01:55] <usual> :(
[01:55] <AndyFitz> it was fixed for one login
[01:56] <usual> AndyFitz, hows the icon set coming btw
[01:56] <usual> looks good
[01:57] <AndyFitz> usual, thanks I'm reworking them to suit  brisgeek.com/etiquette/
[01:58] <usual> AndyFitz, full set for gnome?
[01:58] <AndyFitz> andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz  is there but very incomplete
[01:59] <usual> AndyFitz, I came across your site for it the other day on gnome-look.org, I like it all but the metacity theme
[01:59] <AndyFitz> usual:  theres over 2,000 icons in whats considered a full set for gnome :-/  and I keep changing styles / xml rules
[01:59] <usual> ah
[02:00] <AndyFitz> the metacity theme I have in the gimp screenshot ?
[02:00] <AndyFitz> its also here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png
[02:01] <haggai> pitti: pong :)
[02:01] <AndyFitz> the hover state for the buttons shows their type
[02:01] <usual> yea, it looks alot better in thie shot
[02:02] <usual> AndyFitz, can't wait to give them a try
[02:02] <usual> nice trashcan
[02:02] <AndyFitz> roberTO did that for the milk gtk theme  I really like it yeah but was going to make my own pixmap based gtk theme first before considering what metacity to use
[02:03] <usual> k
[02:04] <AndyFitz> usual, download and check them out now ,  I'm currently using them at 16x16 on my gnome-panel, they were designed to scale below my other stuff
[02:04] <usual> AndyFitz, are they avilible somewhere
[02:04] <AndyFitz> andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz
[02:05] <AndyFitz> should work
[02:05] <fabbione> bob2: the BenH patch doesn't even compile
[02:05] <usual> got em
[02:05] <fabbione> arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S: Assembler messages:
[02:05] <fabbione> arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S:49: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `dssall'
[02:05] <fabbione> arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S:167: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `dssall'
[02:05] <fabbione> bum
[02:06] <AndyFitz> the default size is 48x48 like normal pixmap icons.   lila, gartoon and the industrial gnome-vfs icons  are all 92x92 I think
[02:06] <Kamion> that's odd, it compiled fine for me
[02:06] <usual> AndyFitz, wierd, I put them in the icon folder, it shows the icon in the theme app, but no icons changed
[02:06] <robtaylor> hey, is hoary working enough now that its worth upgrading to?
[02:07] <usual> robtaylor, I use it daily with little trouble
[02:07] <robtaylor> usual: cool, upgrade it is then ;)
[02:07] <fabbione> Kamion: i am using -7.diff on davis...
[02:07] <AndyFitz> usual: that happens sometimes with gnome-themes-manager ,  next login they will work
[02:07] <usual> ok
[02:07] <usual> brb
[02:08] <Kamion> fabbione: which flavour is failing?
[02:08] <fabbione> power3
[02:08] <fabbione> at least...
[02:08] <Kamion> DSSALL is used in other places in arch/ppc/
[02:08] <fabbione> this is the first one that gets to build
[02:09] <fabbione> yes i know.. but they don't get compiled on power3 apparently
[02:09] <Kamion> best ask benh I suspect
[02:09] <mvo> ping doko
[02:10] <fabbione> yeah.. they don't get compiled
[02:10] <fabbione> probably is just an ifdef somewhere
[02:11] <Kamion> elmo_away: please sync groff <IP_ADDRESS>-5 from Debian
[02:13] <pitti> Kamion: sorry for the groff upload; I worked through a modem yesterday and didn't bother to check sid again
[02:13] <Kamion> np
[02:13] <fabbione> Kamion: can you confirm that the patch is used only by power4 ?
[02:14] <Kamion> fabbione: deny
[02:14] <Kamion> power4 != G4
[02:14] <fabbione> (for what is my understanding of ppc arch anyway)
[02:15] <Kamion> I don't know if it should be used only by the powerpc flavours; it contains a number of other updates beyond just sleep so I'd be wary of making that assumption
[02:15] <fabbione> Kamion: how can i identify that via CONFIG_* in the kernel?
[02:15] <Kamion> don't try, ask benh to fix it :)
[02:15] <fabbione> Kamion: the other changes are more generic
[02:15] <Kamion> I know
[02:15] <fabbione> and they compile (therefor they can be shipped) on all the other arches
[02:15] <fabbione> ;)
[02:16] <pitti> so it compiles, it ... ?
[02:16] <Kamion> CONFIG_6xx is the kernel used on most powerpc systems, including G4 laptops
[02:17] <Kamion> G5 systems are CONFIG_POWER4
[02:17] <Kamion> I would imagine we'll see PowerBook G5 systems in a year or two
[02:20] <fabbione> hopefully in one year or two all this extra patching won't be required
[02:23] <fabbione> it looks like that only power3 doesn't have that DSSALL
[02:26] <Kamion> fabbione: where's DSSALL defined?
[02:26] <fabbione> Kamion: ENOCLUE
[02:26] <fabbione> it looks like something in binutils
[02:26] <fabbione> grep doesn't return anything useful
[02:27] <srbaker> anyone know of squeak packages for ubuntu?
[02:27] <srbaker> or, even squeak for debian that i could recompile?
[02:27] <Treenaks> squeak?
[02:27] <Treenaks> Simira: same one, or cooler one? :P)
[02:27] <Simira> squeak, Treenaks
[02:27] <srbaker> smalltalk environment
[02:28] <Simira> Treenaks: cooler, of course. The old one isn't in sale anymore
[02:29] <srbaker> grrrr.
[02:29] <srbaker> need /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[02:29] <Treenaks> srbaker: submit a patch
[02:29] <srbaker> Treenaks, i intend to as soon as i move
[02:29] <srbaker> it's on my tomboy list :P
[02:30] <srbaker> speaking of which, i need hoary packages for f-spot and tomboy.
[02:30] <srbaker> anyone know?
[02:30] <mvo> srbaker: there is a patch in the bts for /etc/apt/sources.list.d. we'll get it eventually :)
[02:34] <srbaker> okay.  so now the only thing i need to increase my productivity is moisturizing cream that doesn't make my hands feel greasy
[02:36] <mvo> srbaker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=66325
[02:36] <srbaker> cool
[03:09] <robtaylor> carlos: had time to look at accessd yet??
[03:10] <robtaylor> pitti: would you like to take a look?
[03:10] <pitti> robtaylor: I'm in a bit of a hurry right now
[03:11] <pitti> robtaylor: but in general I'd like to look at it
[03:11] <Kamion> Keybuk: signkey uses "$name's" in a couple of places, which in Perl is the same as $name::s
[03:11] <Kamion> Keybuk: care to fix that to ${name}'s?
[03:11] <pitti> robtaylor: is there a tarball/pdf/whatever to look at?
[03:11] <robtaylor> pitti: no rush, but when you're not busy let me know and i'll take you through it
[03:11] <pitti> robtaylor: a guided tour? That'll be nice! :-)
[03:12] <Kamion> Keybuk: (or $name\'s)
[03:12] <robtaylor> pitti: http://sourcecontrol.net/~rtaylor/ has accessd and dbus packages with extra python bindings
[03:13] <robtaylor> s/accessd/my accessd arch repo mirror/
[03:13] <srbaker> how do i completely disable OSS?
[03:15] <pitti> Hi trulux
[03:15] <pitti> trulux: I tried your ssp packages. Rock!
[03:15] <pitti> trulux: it is really cool
[03:15] <pitti> trulux: to actually put it into Hoary, I'd like to see two things:
[03:16] <pitti> trulux: 1) rename the packages to *-ssp
[03:16] <pitti> trulux: 2) modify the gcc-ssp-3.4 wrapper program to include the necessary settings (-lssp and -fstack-protector)
[03:17] <pitti> trulux: otherwise I played around with it a little, looks nice
[03:17] <lamont> Kamion: you around?
[03:17] <trulux> hey pitti
[03:17] <lamont> seb128: around?
[03:18] <seb128> lamont: yep
[03:18] <trulux> pitti, why the name change? nothing is different (in usability terms)
[03:18] <Kamion> what's this total python b0rkage?
[03:18] <Kamion> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/mklibs: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[03:18] <trulux> the warpper is (almost) ready
[03:18] <jdahlin> what's up with archive.u.c?
[03:18] <trulux> just needs packaging
[03:19] <pitti> trulux: because we already have such a source and binary package? (and, btw, a newer one)
[03:19] <trulux> pitti, i can send you the patches
[03:19] <trulux> in order to get the stuff without pain in newerr versions
[03:19] <Kamion> trulux: we can't just drop something straight into hoary without seeing how it works elsewhere first
[03:19] <trulux> what do you think?
[03:19] <Kamion> a separate package for the meantime is extremely useful.
[03:20] <Kamion> otherwise you're asking a great deal of faith from us
[03:20] <pitti> trulux: and it would be cool to integrate -lssp and -fstack-protector into the wrapper, so that these do not need to be specified explicitly
[03:20] <trulux> pitti, that could be done in an easy way
[03:20] <pitti> trulux: the plan is to have completely separate packages for a while
[03:21] <pitti> trulux: and when they prove good and we are reasonable sure to 1) not break anything and 2) we have a chance of sustainable support, then we can talk about putting them into main
[03:22] <pitti> trulux: oh: and gcc-ssp packages should depend on libssp-dev
[03:22] <trulux> pitti, yes
[03:22] <pitti> trulux: thanks! see you later
[03:23] <trulux> pitti, i will send you the patches
[03:23] <trulux> Kamion, anyway, i did the stuff in the way i thought it's the best
[03:23] <trulux> and non-enabled by default is the best way
[03:26] <trulux> i must go too
[03:30] <srbaker> is it possible to comppletely disable OSS?
[03:35] <yann__> hi
[03:36] <Treenaks> yann__: if you find them, tell me how you did it :)
[03:37] <Treenaks> yann__: I might need it for the Dutch site :)
[03:37] <yann__> didn't they answer to your emails either ?
[03:37] <yann__> Treenaks  > let's see your website :)
[03:38] <Treenaks> yann__: www.ubuntulinux.nl and www.ubuntu-linux.nl (run by the same guy, need to be integrated)
[03:39] <tim1> hello
[03:39] <tim1> is this the right channel to discuss rosetta ?
[03:39] <sivang> tim1: theres a rosetta chaneel :)
[03:39] <sivang> tim1: join #rosetta
[03:42] <mako> Kamion, elmo_away: so theoretically, there is a community council meetining today, right?
[03:42] <mako> Kamion: apparently, it will be just me and you
[03:42] <sivang> mako: also wondered about that :)
[03:42] <mako> elmo seems away and sabdfl as well
[03:43] <mako> well, there a couple country teams on the agenda
[03:43] <mako> and one more i suspect if sivang has anything to do with it
[03:43] <sivang> mako : yes :)
[03:43] <lamont> elmo is away
[03:43] <mako> lamont: do you know about sabdfl?
[03:44] <mako> smurfix: you around?
[03:44] <Treenaks> well, at least I'm here :)
[03:44] <lamont> no clue, but wouldn't surprise me, given his 'take some down time' comments at the conf
[03:44] <mako> i'm trying to decide if we have can go ahead with the meeting
[03:44] <mako> lamont: do you know elmo's story
[03:45] <mako> lamont: basically, will he be back in 1.25h?
[03:46] <lamont> doko!!
[03:47] <yann__> Treenaks  > www.ubuntu-fr.org
[03:47] <yann__> :)
[03:47] <lamont> mako: dunno.  ISTR him saying something about a week of holiday right after the conf
[03:47] <mako> hmm.. ok
[03:48] <mako> well.. i can call mark and see if he's gonna be around at all this week
[03:48] <mako> otherwise, this stuff will be put off until at least after new years
[03:49] <mako> Kamion: it may be our chance to ram through otherwise controverisal proposal
[03:49] <sivang> mako: I reckon most people need some time off after the conference, we could probably manage with only some brief discussions for country teams and others..
[03:50] <yann__> Treenaks > how many mails did you sent? is it worth trying again? :)
[03:50] <Treenaks> yann__: none yet, because the merging isn't done yet
[03:51] <yann__> we've got a forum that's already open, the site is comnig soon... but still can't get in touch with ubuntu's team
[03:51] <sivang> enrico: hi!
[03:52] <enrico> sivang: hi!
[04:00] <Kamion> mako: hmm. does two out of four count as a majority?
[04:00] <smurfix> mako: yep, just came home
[04:01] <haggai> is Jane still on holiday?
[04:01] <Kamion> mako: elmo said he'd be away from tomorrow, which I took to mean that he'd be here today
[04:02] <mako> well, mark will l come
[04:02] <mako> i just talked to him on the phone
[04:02] <Kamion> ah, ok
[04:08] <Keybuk> hmm, hal is working today.  yesterday it refused to play, today I get an "IAUDIO" window popping up.  strange thing, I think my camera actually kills it
[04:12] <smurfix> mako:
[04:15] <mako> smurfix: want to prepare a short thing about country teams goals and such to present at the meeting
[04:15] <mako> smurfix: i'm going to prepare a short summary from the nm bof
[04:16] <smurfix> mako: I'll be at the meeting
[04:16] <mako> smurfix: awesome.. i'll put an introduction on the agneda
[04:16] <sivang> mako: are you going to discuss the NM process on the CC meeting?
[04:17] <zul> when is the meeting?
[04:17] <smurfix> OK, I'll say a few words about country team stuff then
[04:17] <smurfix> zul: 1600 UTC
[04:17] <yann__> \o/
[04:17] <zul> smurfix: k thanks
[04:18] <lamont> haggai: my understanding is that Jane is still on holiday.  she is checking email occasionally, apparently
[04:19] <Treenaks> how long do these meetings take, usually?
[04:21] <sivang> Treenaks: hmm, that depends :)
[04:21] <Treenaks> minutes, hours, days, weeks
[04:21] <sivang> Treenaks: there have been ones that took more then 2 hours :)
[04:21] <Treenaks> sivang: I've heard of 5-minute ones
[04:22] <sivang> Treenaks: there have beem, well, TB meetings tend to take much much longer.
[04:22] <Kamion> shortest has been 15 minutes IIRC
[04:22] <Treenaks> my boss won't like a >1hr one (closing down the building, setting the alarm and stuff :))
[04:23] <zul> Treenaks: tell your boss to be patient :)
[04:23] <Treenaks> zul: 8)
[04:24] <mako> sivang: i'd like to
[04:26] <haggai> lamont: thanks :)
[04:26] <mako> are there any NM's for the meeting that need CC approval
[04:26] <mako> haggai: did we approve you yet?
[04:26] <mako> or do we need to?
[04:27] <haggai> mako: yup, I'm all done
[04:27] <mako> good
[04:27] <Treenaks> mako: NMs or "ubuntites"?
[04:27] <mako> there were a handful of people that raised their hand at the NM meeting
[04:27] <mako> Treenaks: sorry, "UBUNTITES"
[04:27] <Treenaks> mako: I was one of those :)
[04:27] <mako> we can add you to the list
[04:27] <Treenaks> OK, great
[04:28] <mako> Treenaks: actually, go add yourself :)
[04:28] <mako> CommunityCouncilAgenda
[04:28] <Treenaks> mako: hm, need to hack together a wiki page on myself then :)
[04:28] <Treenaks> probably
[04:28] <sivang> mako: development maintainers needs be approved by technical contribs right?
[04:33] <Kamion> sivang: by the tech board
[04:33] <sivang> Kamion: ah ok :)
[04:35] <ChrisH> mako: Did you find a chance to review the NM draft?
[04:35] <mako> ChrisH: sure.. it will have to be super quick
[04:38] <smurfix> mako: next time write "smurf" instead of misspelling my name please ;-)
[04:39] <sivang> mako: could you reminde me what being an UBUNTITES mean? :)
[04:41] <mako> i spelled it right once and then mispelled it when i lost my change, i swear :)
[04:41] <lamont> fabbione: you around?
[04:41] <mako> sivang: basically you can vote and such but not upload packages
[04:41] <mako> sivang: i think you should put yourself down for that
[04:41] <mako> people with visible contributions to the community who want to be enfranchised
[04:41] <sivang> mako: ok, I'll go list my name there - already have a page :)
[04:42] <sivang> mako: but there is not "new ubuntites" page :)
[04:43] <Treenaks> sivang: 1 second
[04:43] <mako> well, make one, it's a wiki after all :)
[04:43] <sivang> ok, let's rock it on! (as jdub says )
[04:43] <Treenaks> there's an entry on the agenda page now
[04:43] <Treenaks> sivang: edit now :)
[04:44] <sivang> Treenaks: done:)
[04:44] <sivang> mako: what about doc maintainership? is it the same like being a ubuntites?
[04:47] <mako> sivang: yes
[04:47] <mako> Kamion: i want that patch
[04:48] <Kamion> currently it's too horrible for words and hardcodes my key ... :)
[04:49] <Treenaks> Kamion: package it up when you fix that :)
[04:49] <Kamion> (well, keyid, anyway)
[04:52] <smurfix> Kamion: So use $ENV{SIGN_KEYID} and complain if that's not set ;-)
[04:59] <mojo> can some ppl here confirm this bug for me: (not sure my mistake or bug)
[05:00] <mojo> I have a error msg in synaptic each time I update
[05:00] <mojo> [Invalid UTF-8]  Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/ooo645calc.desktop':
[05:00] <mojo>   desktop entry contain line 'Comment[ca] =Fulla de c\xc3| lcul d'OpenOffice.org' which is not UTF-8
[05:00] <Mithrandir> mojo: it's a known issue
[05:00] <yann__> wow, if this is a place to report bugs, i got a bug in gthumb (warty) :)
[05:00] <Mithrandir> yann__: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:00] <yann__> Mithrandir > i know, i know :|
[05:01] <yann__> ok i'll try.
[05:01] <mojo> thx for the info, at least I know it's not my mistake
[05:56] <fabbione> lamont: now
[06:19] <fabbione> Kamion: the ibook thingy can compile only on 6xx
[06:19] <fabbione> so powerpc kernels
[06:20] <Kamion> ok
[06:23] <sivang> smurfix: ping
[06:23] <pitti> fabbione: will the next kernel build system include an animated colorful cartoon strip to make it more interesting?
[06:26] <smurfix> sivang:
[06:28] <sivang> smurfix: that in jap or chineese?
[06:28] <sivang> :)
[06:29] <sivang> smurfix: anyway, we still don't have an ubuntu-il mailing list :)
[06:30] <smurfix> sivang: That's "pong".
[06:30] <sivang> smurfix: also, do we already have anything for making derived distros wrt to locality?
[06:30] <sivang> smurfix: in what lang? :)
[06:31] <smurfix> sivang: Chinese of course.
[06:31] <smurfix> sivang: I dunno wo's responsible for the mailing lists, I just know it's not me ;-)
[06:31] <smurfix> who's
[06:32] <smurfix> sivang: easily making derived distros is on the agends for post-hoary.
[06:34] <Kamion> sigh, need to add python-minimal to debootstrap as well as python2.4-minimal now ...
[06:35] <tseng> has anyone noticed problems with the security update login package in warty?
[06:35] <tseng> google and gmane say no
[06:35] <pitti> tseng: no, what do you mean?
[06:36] <pitti> Hi elmo
[06:36] <tseng> booting it gives me a big dump of cant execute /sbin/agetty
[06:36] <pitti> elmo: Mark asked me to rename debstriptranslations to pkgstriptranslations
[06:36] <tseng> then it respawns to fast, and init gives up completely
[06:37] <pitti> elmo: I guess that means that debstriptranslations will be removed and I upload a new package pktstriptranslations?
[06:37] <pitti> tseng: This is not a login problem
[06:37] <elmo> pitti: just upload the new package for now
[06:37] <pitti> tseng: this rather sounds like the udev race condition
[06:37] <elmo> preferably soon, as I'm on holiday from tomorrow on
[06:37] <tseng> pitti: oh =/
[06:38] <pitti> elmo: okay, I'll do
[06:38] <pitti> tseng: sometimes the text consoles just say byebye
[06:38] <pitti> tseng: BTW, we did not make a security update of 'login'. What do you mean in particular?
[06:39] <bob2> fabbione: hrm, ok
[06:39] <tseng> well i did a clean install of warty, then dist-upgrade from security, universe, and main
[06:39] <tseng> and it grabbed a new login
[06:39] <Kamion> elmo: could you sync groff <IP_ADDRESS>-5 from Debian please?
[06:40] <tseng> pitti: sorry its a bit hard to report better, as its not finishing init
[06:42] <elmo> Kamion: done
[06:43] <Kamion> thanks
[06:50] <Kamion> fabbione: the silo-installer/silo thing is fixed in d-i svn
[06:50] <pitti> elmo: I uploaded pkgstriptranslations.
[07:03] <tseng> pitti: i found my bug.. inittab is all wrong
[07:03] <pitti> tseng: ugh, did you modify it or is it wrong by default?
[07:04] <tseng> i didnt modify it, not sure how it got this way
[07:05] <tseng> will one from hoary do?
[07:07] <pitti> tseng: what's wrong with the inittab?
[07:07] <tseng> its calling /sbin/agetty
[07:07] <tseng> and /sbin/rc
[07:07] <tseng> which dont even exist
[07:09] <tseng> i think someone copied over it
[07:10] <pitti> tseng: I doubt that inittab says agetty by default
[07:10] <pitti> tseng: this would have breaked on each and every installation
[07:10] <tseng> yeah someone was f'ing with it
[07:11] <tseng> i appologize
[07:12] <pitti> tseng: no worries :-)
[07:12] <pitti> tseng: were you able to restore it?
[07:13] <pitti> tseng: I can send you the default version if necessary
[07:13] <tseng> yes, but im totally baffled as to who wouldve copied another distros inittab over this one
[07:13] <tseng> heh, i have one here now that i know what is up
[07:13] <elmo> Kamion: I'm beginning to think grub and scrubbing disks REALLY don't agree
[07:14] <Kamion> elmo: hmm?
[07:14] <elmo> I just got that stupid grub failure when reinstalling  a DL380
[07:15] <elmo> then again, lilo doesn't work either.  meh.
[07:15] <Kamion> scrubbing disks?
[07:15] <elmo> today sucks.
[07:15] <elmo> kamion: when you first create a RAID array and it syncs thems
[07:15] <Kamion> it would probably be good for me to learn something about RAID, wouldn't it?
[07:16] <elmo> yeah, I'm getting exactly the same error as on the Dell's
[07:16] <elmo> in that bug-from-hell
[07:17] <Kamion> is that the HPT370 one?
[07:17] <elmo> nah
[07:17] <elmo> one sec
[07:19] <Kamion> locales suck
[07:20] <elmo> hmm, I closed the bug.  go me.
[07:20] <jdub> it's your birthday.
[07:20] <maswan> elmo: did you see my note about bittorrent tracker?
[07:21] <elmo> maswan: the port thing?
[07:21] <maswan> elmo: yeah
[07:22] <elmo> maswan: yeah, thanks
[07:22] <elmo> Kamion: 2211
[07:24] <Kamion> elmo: same failure mode as at the start of that bug?
[07:24] <elmo> right
[07:24] <elmo> gar, and it's going take eons to scrub half a fricking terabyte
[07:25] <Kamion> can you arrange to add the debug command to grub-installer's grub invocation?
[07:25] <Kamion> or even run the grub commands by hand in the grub shell
[07:26] <elmo> dump (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage1 /tmp/grbdfsbdfsgaz is failing
[07:26] <elmo> with "file not found"
[07:26] <lamont> anyone need anything before I run?
[07:27] <lamont> oh. elmo's here. cool
[07:27] <elmo> Kamion: there's some strace's in p.u.c/~james that mdz and I looked at before, there's very little difference between working and broken; I'll try and get some more tho
[07:30] <Kamion> grub straces are depressingly uninformative sometimes :(
[07:31] <Kamion> as mdz said in the bug, it looks like working-strace was when booted from the hard disk?
[07:32] <elmo> right
[07:39] <tseng> yay for pax!
[07:40] <Kamion> elmo: I'm kind of way out of ideas :-(
[07:40] <pitti> tseng: it fends off the buffer overflow exploit as well as SSP
[07:41] <tseng> pitti: im very familiar with pax
[07:42] <pitti> tseng: what do you think, is either one (ssp/pax) already enough or should we strive to get both?
[07:42] <tseng> pitti: well, both is ideal
[07:42] <tseng> because pax has 0 protection against ret2libc
[07:43] <tseng> well, not 0, just adds security-by-obscurity
[07:43] <pitti> tseng: I will put a PaX enabled kernel into universe when I finished the porting to 2.6.9
[07:43] <tseng> oh wow
[07:43] <elmo> Kamion: no prob - can you remind me the equivalent of grub-installer for lilo tho?  I need at least one bootloader on this thing :)
[07:43] <pitti> tseng: do you happen to know somebody who already did that
[07:43] <tseng> pitti: yes
[07:43] <pitti> tseng: s//?/
[07:43] <tseng> the author
[07:43] <pitti> tseng: on the hp there is only a patch for 2.6.7
[07:43] <tseng> yes
[07:43] <Kamion> elmo: lilo-installer
[07:44] <fabbione> elmo: lilo-installer?
[07:44] <fabbione> argh ;)
[07:44] <Kamion> anna should install it by default
[07:44] <pitti> tseng: the rejections are not bad, but cause a bit of work
[07:45] <elmo> hmm, no lilo in the base system atm
[07:45] <elmo> I guess the "Install lilo" step is spassing out real early
[07:45] <Kamion> elmo: doesn't need to be, lilo-installer will apt-install it as needed
[07:45] <elmo> oh
[07:45] <Kamion> if it's used
[07:46] <elmo> eh, sorry, to be stupid, but you're saying I should be able to just run 'lilo-installer' from shell?
[07:46] <Kamion> no - are you in the d-i environment?
[07:47] <elmo> yes
[07:47] <Kamion> back up to the main menu and select the menu item to install lilo
[07:47] <fabbione> elmo: *cough*sparc*cough* are you having some fun at the dc?
[07:47] <elmo> I tried that
[07:47] <Kamion> you can try udpkg --configure lilo-installer too
[07:47] <elmo> it just says an error occured, and there's nothing helpful on the log tailing screen
[07:47] <elmo> what file is that thing tailing?
[07:47] <Kamion> tty3 tails /var/log/messages, tty4 tails /var/log/syslog
[07:49] <jdub> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[07:49] <jdub>
[07:49] <elmo> sweeet
[07:49] <Kamion> fixed in new python-defaults
[07:49] <Kamion> or install python-minimal
[07:49] <elmo> Kamion: ok, so it's just saying lilo-installer exited with status 1, meh
[07:50] <Kamion> elmo: stick 'set -x' at the top of the postinst
[07:50] <jdub> Kamion: probably getting that in this upgrade
[07:50] <elmo> LOL
[07:50] <elmo> it's looking for part156378345346
[07:50] <Kamion> welcome to d-i debugging
[07:50] <Kamion> wow
[07:50] <elmo> (or so)
[07:51] <elmo> Kamion: do the final releases have "Unofficial" in the README.diskdefines ?
[07:51] <Kamion> can you see what bootfs_devfs and bootfs are being set to?
[07:52] <elmo> this'd be so much easier if we had wireless in here and I could do this without the to-fro
[07:52] <jdub> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:52] <jdub>  linda
[07:52] <jdub> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:52] <jdub> heh
[07:52] <Kamion> elmo: no
[07:53] <Kamion> that'd be linda wanting python ...
[07:53] <elmo> ah, okay, maybe I should start from the beginning and burn a fresh CD then
[07:53] <Kamion> well, I dunno what'd have been fixed, but I suppose it can't hurt to try ...
[07:53] <Kamion> elmo: where's the line with Unofficial?
[07:54] <elmo> DISKNAME says "Unofficial binary-i386" in it at the end
[07:54] <elmo> fabbione: :(
[07:54] <Kamion> #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview i386 Binary-1
[07:55] <elmo> this is just a CD which I had lieing around, it could date back to like, June..
[07:55] <fabbione> elmo: good luck..
[07:55] <Kamion> I can't even remember when I removed Unofficial; certainly before the preview, but I'm not sure when
[07:56] <elmo> ok, trashing and burning fresh from releases.u.c
[07:56] <fabbione> pitti: ping?
[07:57] <Kamion> Automatically selecting en_GB.UTF-8 locale in addition to en_GB.
[07:57] <Kamion> that text look OK?
[07:58] <jon1012> hi :)
[07:59] <Kamion> any suggestions for how to record that /etc/locale.gen has been migrated to UTF-8? if the user later removes the UTF-8 locales, that choice should be respected
[08:09] <jon1012> someone when the mono-assemblies-arch and mono-assemblies-base 1.04-1 will be available ?
[08:09] <jon1012> (one the hoary repositories)
[08:10] <jon1012> beucause impossible to use any mono package until then :/
[08:10] <jon1012> (especially monodevelop)
[08:11] <tseng> mono apps work for me.
[08:12] <jon1012> mmh... when have you updated the packages for the last time ? :/
[08:12] <jon1012> try to update or reinstall monodevelop and you will see :(
[08:12] <jon1012> everything is broken because these two package are not here
[08:13] <jon1012> mmh they are here but in version 1.0.2-1 while mono-jit asks for 1.0.4-1
[08:13] <jon1012> :/
[08:13] <tseng> from archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:13] <jon1012> yes
[08:13] <tseng> no such problem here.
[08:14] <jon1012> ?
[08:14] <jon1012> I update my apt-get each day to see if there is a fix...
[08:15] <jon1012> but didn't see it :(
[08:15] <jon1012> (in hoary)
[08:21] <elmo> fabbione: please shout when you're done with davis
[08:23] <Simira> anyone else got some tips for how to mount my digital camera?
[08:24] <Treenaks> Simira: what kind of cam is it
[08:24] <Simira> Canon powershot
[08:30] <elmo> Kamion: doh, same error with fresh CD, meh
[08:34] <mooch> open wifi aps make baby jesus happy
[08:35] <Simira> Treenaks: : you had a suggestion, or you just wanted to know about my new cam?
[08:35] <Treenaks> Simira: canon powershot?
[08:36] <Treenaks> Simira: open gthumb, file -> import photos
[08:36] <Treenaks> Simira: it'll be detected automagically
[08:36] <ogra> Simira: doent it getmounted automatically ?
[08:36] <ogra> +s
[08:36] <Treenaks> ogra: powershots use PTP.. they're not mass-storage :(
[08:36] <Simira> hum
[08:36] <Simira> *tries*
[08:36] <ogra> Treenaks: bah....
[08:37] <Simira> I like the cam, though
[08:37] <ogra> Treenaks: i love my ole olympus
[08:37] <Treenaks> Simira: which one? the A85?
[08:37] <Treenaks> ogra: Good Ole'ympus ;)
[08:37] <Simira> no, only an A400. A little bit better than the old one.
[08:37] <ogra> *g*
[08:37] <Treenaks> Simira: you've seen mine right? that's a A75
[08:37] <ogra> Simira: was yours insured ?
[08:38] <Simira> yes, it was
[08:38] <ogra> wow, lucky girl;)
[08:39] <Simira> well, not the cam, but my travel insurance covered it
[08:40] <Treenaks> ogra: mine is ;)
[08:40] <Treenaks> I'm doing 100M/day on it 8)
[08:40] <ogra> probably there should be a place to upload for all the ppl that can not pay for the traffic.....
[08:41] <ogra> Treenaks: looks similar for mine
[08:41] <Simira> it won't detect my camera :-/
[08:42] <ogra> but there were loads of ppl taking pictures.....
[08:42] <Simira> bob2 hasn't put up his, and Tollef. And Mako. Among others
[08:42] <Treenaks> bob2 should :)
[08:42] <amu> is there a way the xorg config could be done by xorg itself? without a user input, or i've to run the old mkxf86config?
[08:42] <Treenaks> Simira: I've seen tollef's pics..
[08:42] <Treenaks> Simira: or at least some of those
[08:43] <Simira> yep
[08:43] <Treenaks> amu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:43] <Simira> hm
[08:43] <Simira> *grumble*
[08:43] <mako> Simira: i won't until i get home
[08:43] <ogra> Simira: yep....he has made a really beutiful one of me in the bar
[08:43] <Simira> :) hehe
[08:43] <ogra> +a
[08:43] <Treenaks> amu: otherwise: "dexconf"
[08:43] <Simira> hm... but I still can't get my camera on Ubuntu... hrmf
[08:44] <Treenaks> Simira: it's not detected by gthumb?
[08:44] <Treenaks> Simira: it should be in "play" mode, otherwise it won't be detected
[08:44] <Treenaks> (if it's like mine)
[08:45] <amu> Treenaks: it works also if there's no debconf data? need it for the livecd
[08:45] <Simira> hm, ok
[08:46] <Simira> yay
[08:46] <Simira> it worked
[08:46] <ogra> hmm, yesterday i saw daniels saying that the detection stuff is done by xorg itself.....probably he changed something
[08:46] <Simira> mako: you're still stuck in Spain???
[08:46] <mako> Simira: stuck is perhaps not the best term
[08:46] <Simira> ah, Daniels also took a lot of picks
[08:46] <mako> Simira: i'm in valencia staying with jordi
[08:46] <ogra> heh
[08:47] <amu> ogra: good question, daniels is away
[08:47] <Simira> mako: so, holiday-vacationing, eh?
[08:47] <ogra> amu: i heard he is on holiday now....
[08:50] <pitti> tseng: guess what? the whole grsecurity patch applies cleanly against the patched Ubuntu kernel source :-)
[08:50] <tseng> pitti: wonderful, i had a feeling it would
[08:50] <tseng> im using it in a pretty big patchset myself
[08:50] <pitti> tseng: the back of my head always reminded me about long-winded discussions in Debian about the non-applicability to Debian kernels...
[08:52] <pitti> fabbione: around and have a minute?
[09:02] <pitti> tseng: oops, there are two rejections
[09:06] <wasabi_> yay!
[09:06] <wasabi_> got my cd's just now
[09:06] <wasabi_> wow this are slick
[09:11] <fabbione> re
[09:11] <fabbione> elmo: ANYTIME!
[09:12] <fabbione> elmo: next time don't wait for me... just kick me out :-)
[09:12] <fabbione> pitti: yeah
[09:12] <elmo> fabbione: don't worry there's no rush, I'm probably only half way through
[09:13] <fabbione> elmo: it's 100% your :-)
[09:13] <fabbione> i was only doing a test compilation
[09:13] <fabbione> nothing really too seriuos... just the ibookg4sleep1337patch
[09:13] <fabbione> in the worst case i will tell ppc users to blame GTK
[09:13] <elmo> lol
[09:13] <ogra> heh
[09:14] <fabbione> pitti: PONG!
[09:14] <fabbione> pitti: DING DONG DANG!
[09:21] <pitti> fabbione: sorry, still at the phone
[09:21] <fabbione> Description:
[09:21] <fabbione> Remote exploit for IPSwitch WS_FTP version 5.03 that binds a shell to port 4444.
[09:21] <fabbione> CUTE!
[09:55] <ajmitch_> morning
[10:03] <pitti> fabbione: back
[10:04] <ajmitch_> pitti: thanks for doing those libssp packages :)
[10:04] <pitti> fabbione: is there an easy way to provide a hacked kernel image (with new deb names) without duplicating the linux-source source package?
[10:04] <fabbione> pitti: yo
[10:04] <pitti> ajmitch_: no problem, easy package
[10:05] <fabbione> pitti: build-dep on linux-source-2.6.9
[10:05] <ajmitch_> pitti: what will be harder is if we try & get selinux in, and enabled by default
[10:05] <fabbione> pitti: the one that gives you the tar.bz2 in /usr/src
[10:05] <fabbione> pitti: but i don't recall if it has patches or not.. you will have to check on that
[10:06] <pitti> fabbione: basically I want to use all the Ubuntu patches, add one, change the configuration and the deb names
[10:06] <fabbione> in case... you have linux-patches something
[10:06] <fabbione> pitti: yup... i got that
[10:06] <fabbione> pitti: you still need the same build-deps
[10:06] <pitti> fabbione: okay, I will play around with that
[10:07] <pitti> fabbione: basically I would need a binary package that ships the source's dpatches
[10:07] <fabbione> no.. you just need to ship your patch
[10:07] <fabbione> all the others are in the source or -linux-patch
[10:07] <trulux> hi there
[10:07] <trulux> pitti, woo woo!
[10:07] <trulux> :)
[10:08] <pitti> hi trulux
[10:08] <pitti> fabbione: ah, cool
[10:08] <ajmitch_> hi trulux
[10:08] <fabbione> check all the pkgs.. there is everything you need
[10:08] <fabbione> the only thing i am not sure we ship are the config
[10:09] <fabbione> in that case i will provide them for you.. no big deal for that
[10:09] <trulux> hey ajmitch_
[10:09] <trulux> ajmitch_, i think we cantry to write a little schedule for the SELinux work
[10:10] <pitti> fabbione: I need to change the config anyway; patching yours would be nice, but just copy&change is fine by now
[10:10] <ajmitch_> trulux: sure
[10:11] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. i will tell you some little secrets about configs tomorrow.. i am watching a movie now ;)
[10:11] <pitti> fabbione: oh, then I won't disturb you further
[10:12] <pitti> fabbione: enjoy! :-)
[10:12] <fabbione> pitti: thanks man
[10:12] <fabbione> have a good night
[10:12] <pitti> night!
[10:12] <ogra> fabbione: have fun :)
[10:12] <seb128> 'n
[10:12] <seb128> oups
[10:12] <seb128> 'night
[10:27] <trulux> ajmitch_, fine
[10:27] <trulux> ajmitch_, why not start a page named SELinux on Debian at the hardened debian wiki
[10:27] <trulux> ?
[10:28] <ajmitch_> go ahead :)
[10:29] <trulux> heh
[10:29] <trulux> let me start a draft
[10:29] <pitti> trulux: btw, I'm currently at porting the grsecurity patch to the Ubuntu kernel
[10:29] <trulux> pitti, did you noticed that 2.0.3 is for 2.6.9??
[10:29] <trulux> it's a spender's test patch
[10:29] <pitti> trulux: yup, that's the one I use
[10:30] <trulux> ok
[10:30] <ajmitch_> I don't think that grsecurity & selinux will work in the same kernel at all :)
[10:30] <ajmitch_> you'd need to choose between them
[10:30] <pitti> ajmitch_: not at the same time
[10:30] <trulux> pitti, don't use it by now
[10:30] <pitti> ajmitch_: but at least I like grsecurity much more than SELinux, so I'm happy :-)
[10:30] <trulux> ajmitch_, err, it depends on how the hooks are used and implemented
[10:31] <trulux> ajmitch_, we are strange guys here ... don't get sad by this, grsec is much more usable :(
[10:31] <trulux> but does a diff thing anyway
[10:32] <ajmitch_> iirc grsec may even patch out the LSM hooks from the kernel
[10:33] <pitti> ajmitch_: in theory you _could_ have two chained MAC systems, though :-)
[10:33] <pitti> ajmitch_: and grsec does not use LSM
[10:34] <ajmitch_> only if you were brave and/or stupid :)
[10:34] <ajmitch_> I know that
[10:34] <ajmitch_> but I mean that grsec explicitly disables the functionality that selinux uses
[10:34] <pitti> ajmitch_: I don't know whether it would work, and I don't really care
[10:34] <pitti> ajmitch_: actually I mostly care for PaX
[10:34] <ajmitch_> it doesn't help that the grsec dev is rather disagreeable ;)
[10:34] <pitti> ajmitch_: but since grsecurity applies reasonably well to our kernel, why not take the full patch :-)
[10:35] <ajmitch_> selinux is already enabled in upstream debian kernels, packages are in sid
[10:35] <pitti> ajmitch_: the default Ubuntu kernel is also compiled with SELInux (but not enabled)
[10:36] <pitti> ajmitch_: same as in Sid
[10:36] <ajmitch_> as long as you're just wanting to have another kernel :)
[10:36] <pitti> ajmitch_: right now this is not intended to replace our default kernel anyway :-)
[10:36] <pitti> ajmitch_: right now it will become an additional kernel in universe, for people wanting PaX
[10:37] <ajmitch_> iirc gentoo people had PaX & selinux working together
[10:37] <pitti> ajmitch_: yes, this should be entirely possible
[10:38] <trulux> pitti, i have the selinux hooks for pax
[10:38] <trulux> will be inside my backport
[10:38] <trulux> which stills is in really panic-state
[10:39] <trulux> (that one which means nothing even compiles without brainfucking and so on)
[10:53] <wasabi_> So I suspose my next step is going to be building a kerberos 5 .udeb.
[10:53] <wasabi_> And d-i piece.
[11:03] <trulux> pitti, btw, what about the gcc patches?
[11:04] <pitti> trulux: will look at them; right now I still have your packages installed
[11:04] <trulux> ok, fine
[11:32] <gilligan_> hi
[11:33] <elmo> can someone do me a favour and try logging into the website?
[11:33] <trulux> elmo, hey
[11:33] <pitti> elmo: yes
[11:33] <trulux> elmo, did you noticed my enhyancement report to the bugzilla?
[11:34] <elmo> trulux: the binutils thing?
[11:34] <elmo> pitti: yes, it works or yes, you can try? :)
[11:34] <pitti> elmo: works for me
[11:34] <trulux> pitti, we need to have elmo including my PT_PAX_FLAGS stuff inside binutils for having good PaX support
[11:34] <pitti> elmo: now both
[11:34] <trulux> (soft mode)
[11:34] <elmo> pitti: excellent
[11:34] <trulux> elmo, yes
[11:34] <elmo> pitti: for your next trick, can you try rosetta?
[11:34] <pitti> elmo: sure
[11:35] <gilligan_> have there been any sound related changes to hoary recently ? just did a apt-get upgrade and have a completely sound-free system running now hehe.. ( sorry to bug the dev channel but the general channel is mostly clueless.. )
[11:35] <pitti> elmo: "You are logged in"
[11:35] <pitti> elmo: works
[11:35] <elmo> pitti: sweet, thanks
[11:35] <pitti> trulux: hmm, right now I use the legacy ELF header marking
[11:36] <pitti> trulux: this is way less intrusive
[11:36] <gilligan_> i get silence from whatever player i try - no error messages tho.. and nothing seems to be muted according to alsamixer
[11:36] <elmo> trulux: sorry, I won't have a chance to look at that till after Christmas - I'm busy in the data centre right now, and on holiday after that
[11:36] <pitti> gilligan_: is esd still running
[11:36] <pitti> gilligan_: ?
[11:36] <pitti> gilligan_: and check in gstreamer-properties that esd is used
[11:36] <gilligan_> esd running
[11:37] <gilligan_> .. /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[11:37] <pitti> gilligan_: check whether your mixer now has a "DRC" setting which is low
[11:38] <gilligan_> pitti: DRC seems to be off
[11:38] <gilligan_> and DRC Range = 0
[11:38] <pitti> gilligan_: can you enable it? This DRC thingy bite me a while ago
[11:39] <gilligan_> hum.wonder how ;)
[11:39] <trulux> elmo, data center?
[11:39] <gilligan_> esd is set to input & output in gstreamer preferences btw
[11:39] <elmo> trulux: working on our machines
[11:40] <trulux> elmo, we are looking for someone to support us giving a development machine
[11:40] <trulux> sponsoring
[11:40] <trulux> because we are running on a bit bad-organized network, without a main development center
[11:41] <ogra> elmo there are a lot ppl on #ubuntu, ust trying rosetta
[11:41] <gilligan_> elmo: ah.. DRC was it..
[11:41] <pitti> gilligan_: works now?
[11:41] <gilligan_> elmo: now i get super-crappy sound but i guess i just have to play around with the mixer a bit
[11:41] <gilligan_> elmo: thanks
[11:42] <elmo> ogra: when I rebooted it?  sweet :(
[11:42] <ogra> hmm... some are a little upset....
[11:42] <pitti> gilligan_: I had this crappy and silent sound, too; for me it helped to set DRC to about 75%
[11:42] <ogra> saving while rebooting.....hm
[11:43] <gilligan_> pitti: "DRC" or "DRC Range" ? my "DRC" is still off .. "DRC Range" is set to 75
[11:43] <pitti> gilligan_: don't know exactly
[11:53] <ironwolf> did apt get borked in hoary?  I keep getting "W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" everytime I do apt-get update.  normal channel doesn't have help to offer.  Any idea where to look for the error text?
[11:55] <ajmitch_> trulux: so what will you try & push? grsec or selinux?
[11:55] <trulux> grsec as soft option
[11:55] <trulux> selinux for the big guys ;D
[11:55] <ajmitch_> soft option?
[11:56] <pitti> ironwolf: ping mvo tomorrow; he recently introduced signature verification in apt
[11:56] <trulux> yes, the easiest to deploy one
[11:57] <ajmitch_> do you find selinux hard to deploy?
[11:58] <trulux> ajmitch_, not until we get it in the right way
[11:59] <trulux> it's a MAC system with TE and so on, it's more difficult to deployt than simple grsec
[11:59] <pitti> ajmitch_: one big problem is that selinux requires a bunch of patched base packages, which grsec doesn't
[12:00] <ajmitch_> pitti: as long as you don't have to maintain the patches it's ok :)
[12:00] <ajmitch_> especially if the patches get merged upstream


[04:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2904](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2904): Wayland platform: flush display before polling
[04:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[04:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes #2902, alternative to #2901, I've looked into #2903 but that seems a little more complicated (and tricky to test)
[08:57] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2904](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2904): Wayland platform: flush display before polling
[08:57] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2903](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2903): Wayland platform should handle failures in wl_display_flush
[08:57] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2902](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2902): Wayland platform should call wl_display_flush before blocking for events
[09:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [pull request #2901](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2901): Wayland platform: flush connection after sending pong


[01:56] <khushbu> hi I am khushbu new to ubuntu women project. Is there any one who can guide me regarding details to contribute to this


[10:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[18:50] <waltman> OK, so I'm making another attempt to install ubuntu on my new box. I added "vga=771" to the boot line.


[20:03] <gads_4> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone knows about a website, presentation, or other resources to use in a presentation to introduce Ubuntu to XP users (45 min presentation). Or any suggestions on how to best introduce them to Ubuntu.
[20:31] <pimanx> gads_4, perhaps you can find something useful here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations or here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Resources
[21:11] <gads_4> pimanx: Thanks for those links. I'll check them out.