[00:20] <rojikku> uhhhmmmm....o.o i have "the dreaded checking battery state" error...where it freezes at checking battery state.. with the latest ubuntu 11.04 beta.. o.o it didnt do this with the 10.04...though my ATI drivers make the booting screen look cruddy for some reason...what should i try and do? >>
[00:21] <rojikku> i managed to get into grub and into recovery mode..10.10 wouldnt boot in normal mode when i tried...
[00:48] <j1mc> so... in unity, is the BFB officially called the Ubuntu Button or the Home Button?
[00:48] <j1mc> this is for documentation purposes
[00:49] <j1mc> i've read the post on askubuntu.com, but it is still not entirely clear.
[00:56] <Keybuk> j1mc: I still want to know what you press when you don't *have* that button ;-)
[00:59] <j1mc> Keybuk: i'm referring to the button in the upper left... isn't it always there?  i'm not talking about win/mac keyboad differences.
[01:02] <broder> j1mc: based on the post from jcastro, i'd call it the "home button"
[01:04] <j1mc> broder: thanks. :)
[01:05] <jcastro> j1mc: home button
[01:05] <jcastro> though people call it the ubuntu button anyway
[01:05] <jcastro> and developers call it the BFB
[01:07] <Keybuk> j1mc: ah, I thought you were referring to the keyboard button unity requires you have ;)
[01:07] <jcastro> the keybuk button
[01:13] <j1mc> heh
[01:14] <j1mc> jcastro: thanks for clarifying.
[02:29] <psusi> did the whole ubuntu on dell partnership thing kinda die?
[02:30] <lifeless> not that I've heard
[02:31] <j1mc> godbyk: /quit
[02:31] <j1mc> heh
[02:32] <psusi> hrm... hrm... because according to http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/w/linux/consumer-linux.aspx it looks like they still don't have 10.04 support, and I thought a few months back I heard they had stopped selling new computers with ubuntu preinstalled... I know last year when I got my netbook it was damn hard to find
[03:24] <ScottK> There's not much you can get from them.  That's for sure.  Netbooks and a couple of low end laptops seem like about it.
[03:36] <cody-somerville> It highly depends on what region you're in.
[03:37] <ScottK> OK.  Well being in the US, there
[03:37] <ScottK> ... there's generally been more availability than elsewhere.
[03:37] <cody-somerville> Also http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/w/linux/consumer-linux.aspx looks like it is just out of date. It hasn't been updated since November 2009.
[03:38] <maco> ScottK: person who was asking /quit
[03:38] <ScottK> Oh.
[03:38] <maco> there was a post a few day ago going "hey look they have stuff listed again"
[03:38] <ScottK> Didn't notice.  Thanks.
[03:38] <ScottK> Two weeks ago when I was buying a laptop there wasn't any.
[03:41] <ScottK> Now I see two.  One netbook and one low end laptop.
[04:30] <jcastro> ScottK: the systray thing isn't a technical limitation of unity though, that is a design decision, we could easily just turn that on
[04:31] <jcastro> ScottK: that's my way of saying we're going to get mpt'ed wether the panel supports it or not. :)
[04:31] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:31] <jcastro> so it's not really "can't", it's "won't"
[04:31] <ScottK> Right.
[04:32] <ScottK> Although as long as won't is the position, then it's a fair point for arguing against it by default.
[05:42] <ohsix> argh, broken clipboard; and broken recently
[05:43] <poolie> hi, do i have to take any action to get my bzr sru approved from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=bzr into maverick-proposed?
[05:43] <poolie> or just wait?
[05:44] <micahg> poolie: is it tied to an SRU bug?
[05:45]  * micahg isn't sure if the standing exceptions require it
[05:45] <poolie> it is
[05:45] <poolie> bug 707075
[05:45] <SpamapS> poolie: Its on my todo for tonight or tomorrow to review that
[05:46] <micahg> ah, SpamapS to the rescue :)
[05:46] <poolie> thanks!
[05:46] <poolie> just wondered if i had omitted to do anything
[05:46] <micahg> poolie: so, you probably want to set to fix committed and unassign after you upload
[05:46] <poolie> don't hesitate to ask me or jelmer if you have any questions or see any problems
[05:47] <poolie> good idea
[05:47] <micahg> poolie: err, actually you can leave it assigned since you uploaded :)
[05:47] <poolie> why unassign?
[05:47] <poolie> ah ok
[05:59] <ohsix> where do i go to get eyes on a bug like 622639
[05:59] <ohsix> ultimately the missing samples mean theres never a battery life estimate on the applet menu
[06:48] <ohsix> hm, the status for upower in 629258 is not right, who is supposed to provide the estimation if the data is missing for the battery? currently the things talking to upower dont', but they use the other statistics; that piece of missing data keeps the default battery applet from showing any time remaining, or a percentage
[06:49] <ohsix> it just says "estimating ..." forever, my bug was a dup; but this is the root of it, who is working on this? or who would be
[06:56] <ohsix> the root of it is sometimes power_supply/BATn/current_now is sometimes 0 and theres no estimator like there used to be (effectively, when it was using hal)
[06:59] <ohsix> it would be nice if someone would promote it again as a papercut, cuz apparently it leads to no battery life estimation (and no fallback to percentage in the applet ui) on a lot of dell/hp/compaq & other vendor laptops/batteries
[07:18] <ohsix> kees: ping
[07:36] <didrocks> good morning
[07:37] <ohsix> kees: nevermind, only needed input on something and i figured it out
[07:40] <pitti> Good morning
[07:42] <didrocks> @pilot in
[08:06] <Jon--> I want to help out the community a little bit with something I've done. conky is out of date and has several bugs in it across all Ubuntu PPAs. I've compiled from source conky 1.8.1 using checkinstall so I have a .deb, I have created a user PPA on Launchpad. I'm brand new to this now, how do I package this deb into a PPA and generate the .changes file? Sorry for being so n00b. :O  I just want to help people trying to i
[08:06] <Jon--> nstall this package...
[08:14] <ohsix> hi, is there a tool that uses apt, accepts a package (say a virtual) and will tell you the size of it and all its dependencies?
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <mvo> ohsix: its easiest to use python-apt for this
[08:19] <mvo> ohsix: like "import apt; apt.Cache()["mypkg"].mark_install(); print cache.required_space
[08:19] <ohsix> mvo: can apt be told to reinstall everything, then you could dry run something like apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, and it'd try and reinstall it and all the deps; thus telling you the size
[08:20] <mvo> ohsix: you need give it different dpkg-status file as the base for the dependency calculation too
[08:21] <brendand> is there a meta-package that will install the correct kernel (pae or non-pae) depending on my system?
[08:21] <mvo> ohsix: the easiest way is to point it to a empty dpkg-status file (it is python-apt). what is the use-case you have in mind here? i.e. what problem do you want to solve?
[08:21] <brendand> i know when i installed maverick it chose pae automatically somehow
[08:21] <ohsix> mvo: no problem, just curiosity, i wanna see what a virtual and all its dependencies costs as far as size goes
[08:22] <mvo> brendand: base-installer makes this decision (its part of debian-installer)
[08:23] <mvo> ohsix: use apt.apt_pkg.config.set("dir::state::status", "/path/to/empty/file") before creating the apt.Cache() then you should get it
[08:24] <ohsix> can i tell apt the same thing? empty dpkg-status (or rather dpkg with -o DPkg::)
[08:24] <brendand> mvo - does it store what choice it made somewhere?
[08:25] <brendand> mvo - actually my use-case is that i want to install the right one in the late command of the preseed
[08:25] <brendand> mvo - so i need to know if it should be pae or not
[08:25] <ohsix> mvo: also is there something i can get to get dpkg/apt/whatever to display all possible configuration that could be set? they're a bit hard (and a lot not mentioned) in the handbook documentation
[08:27] <mvo> brendand: you could check the release-upgrader (update-manager). it uses base-installer to make the decision, in lp:update-manager DistUpgrade/get_kernel_list.sh
[08:28] <brendand> mvo - might using dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-generic | awk '{print $1}' be safe?
[08:28] <mvo> ohsix: all possible configurations in the sense of all possible "OR" targets?
[08:30] <ohsix> mvo: like the DPkg:: and Apt:: options that are set in apt.conf(.d)
[08:30] <mvo> ohsix: apt-config dump and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configuration-index
[08:31] <ohsix> ah excellent, thanks
[08:31] <ohsix> yeaaa that's the one i couldn't remember (apt-config dump)
[08:32] <ohsix> mvo: After this operation, 1,991 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:32] <ohsix> that worked great, thanks for the tips
[08:33] <mvo> yw
[08:50] <pitti> directhex, Laney, RAOF: how bad would it really be to drop the webbrowser widget from mono to fix bug 740815? with firefox' new release cycle this will just keep breaking underneath us anyway, and keeping it would cause a rather unacceptable continuous porting work overhead
[08:50] <pitti> I know that it wouldn't break anything in the archive, but wondering about third-party software
[08:50] <pitti> but I guess that's a compromise we need to make, until the webkit integration is ready
[08:50] <pitti> (yes, sorry, panic level rising)
[08:51] <ohsix> hm
[08:51] <ohsix> wouldn't the mono people  be generating patches for that if they were going to stick with it? i don't know how it's integrated now so that might be nieve
[09:00] <RAOF> pitti: I don't have a good idea about how prevalent that is in third-party software :(
[09:00] <pitti> ohsix: they are working on webkit integration, yes
[09:01] <ohsix> RAOF: google code search?
[09:01] <RAOF> ohsix: Not a bad idea :)
[09:02] <ohsix> pitti: i mean while they do that, for new versions
[09:02] <hrw> morning
[09:03] <pitti> ohsix: same problem for them -- with the new release schedule this will become a huge pain for them as well
[09:03] <pitti> and it's mainly the "gluezilla" package which needs porting; it's not directly tied to mono
[09:04] <ohsix> yea :P but i mean, wont work they have to do, pain or not; be usable in the meantime, or are they just going to drop it entirely until the webkit portion is available?
[09:04] <ohsix> i see
[09:05] <RAOF> The webkit portion is mostly available, I think, although I haven't followed it closely.
[09:35] <directhex> pitti, i think that's a reasonable thing to do for this cycle. it's likely too late to fix before release with your/andreia's webkit work
[09:35] <directhex> pitti, it'd be nice to SRU it later though?
[09:36] <pitti> directhex: to reenable it? yes, sounds ok, as this would merely reintroduce a package, thus low regression potential
[09:36] <pitti> RAOF: would you have time to work on this? i. e. disable the webbrowser binary and gluezilla build-dep?
[09:37] <RAOF> pitti: I guess so.  When's beta2 freeze?
[09:38]  * RAOF probably won't do it today, given that it's 6:30pm
[09:38] <pitti> RAOF: I guess around Monday
[09:39] <RAOF> Ok.  I can do some work tomorrow, I guess.
[09:40] <pitti> RAOF: it'd also be ok to drop it after beta-2, I think
[09:40] <RAOF> Oh, in that case, yeah, totally.
[09:42] <pitti> RAOF: can I assign the task to you then?
[09:42] <RAOF> Yes, please do so.
[09:42] <pitti> thanks
[10:10] <ogra_> can someone bump the build status of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.8.4-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2433301
[10:10] <ogra_> (it breaks image builds for armel atm)
[10:15] <diwic> ogra_, hi there...do you think we have come to a reasonable conclusion for all parties with PA UCM patches?
[10:15] <ogra_> diwic, only using the first four and the config files ?
[10:15] <diwic> ogra_, yeah
[10:15] <ogra_> if it works i'm happy
[10:15] <ogra_> will have to try it, sadly my day is full of meetings so it will take some time
[10:16] <diwic> ogra_, will you help to test it (or make sure that someone tests it)?
[10:16] <ogra_> i'll also ask the team, but first we need armel packages
[10:17] <diwic> ogra_, just take TheMuso's source package and build it the way you usually build armel packages
[10:17] <ogra_> yep, indeed
[10:46] <doko> chrisccoulson: ping
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> hi doko
[13:13] <Riddell> sladen: going to upload the font today to fix bug 744812 ?
[13:14] <didrocks> @pilot out
[13:14] <jdstrand> didrocks: hey, sorry to bother you. what is the name of the 'ubuntu icon' in the upper left? It doesn't show up still and I'm looking for bugs on it
[13:15] <didrocks> jdstrand: it's the bfb
[13:15] <didrocks> jdstrand: are you mirroring your screen?
[13:15] <jdstrand> didrocks: yes, mirrored
[13:15] <tjaalton> are there installation images that can just be copied to a usb drive with dd? ("hybrid", i'm told)
[13:16] <didrocks> jdstrand: it's known and fix committed :)
[13:17] <bdrung> didrocks: "The branch looks code" :D
[13:17] <jdstrand> didrocks: \o/
[13:17] <didrocks> bdrung: yeah, there was some code in the branch, awesome, isn't it! :)
[13:17] <cjwatson> tjaalton: not yet, sorry, I really meant to do that for natty but didn't quite get round to it, and it's too risky now :-/
[13:17] <didrocks> bdrung: well, I have to make one typo at every mail :-)
[13:17] <cjwatson> needs backporting some bits and pieces to lucid for the CD image build machine
[13:18] <cjwatson> (for jigdo hybrid support)
[13:20] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, good to know it's on the radar
[13:29] <bdrung> diwic: can you give me a debdiff for bug #733424 (with dep-3 header in the patch)?
[13:31] <diwic> bdrung, it is already in the bzr tree and waiting for upload by TheMuso
[13:31] <bdrung> ah, ok
[13:31] <bdrung> diwic: so i can unsubscribe the sponsors team?
[13:32] <diwic> bdrung, yes
[13:53] <psusi> hrm... a fuse mount doesn't actually have an underlying block device, so it isn't possible to umount by device is it?  so shouldn't ntfs-3g provide a umount.ntfs to handle this properly?
[14:13] <kenvandine> @pilot in
[14:15]  * dholbach hugs kenvandine
[14:15] <ohsix> ah-ha, sun-java6 finally shows up
[14:15]  * kenvandine hugs dholbach
[14:16] <ev> mvo: would you mind making lp:apt-clone team-accessible? I have a one liner fix for a crasher that a merge proposal seems a bit too heavy for.
[14:17] <mvo> ev: sure, hold on a sec
[14:18] <mvo> ev: I set it to core-dev for now
[14:18] <ev> coolness
[14:19] <ev> sorted, thanks
[14:26] <ohsix> can't sun's java package be setup to use pulseaudio for output, using the classpath driver? (openjdk already does it)
[14:45] <stgraber> speakman: ping
[14:45] <stgraber> oops, auto-complete fail :(
[14:45] <stgraber> SpamapS: ping
[14:46] <pgraner> didrocks, ping see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/744325/comments/30  what would you like me to do?
[14:48] <didrocks> pgraner: someone already opened another bug on QT apps and intellihide, it's a separate issue than the one reeported there
[14:49] <pgraner> didrocks, ahhh didn't realize mumble was a qt app, then all is good
[14:49] <didrocks> pgraner: hope we can fix it though, they are doing weird dnd stuff ;)
[14:50] <pgraner> didrocks, ack, its quite annoying
[14:51] <pitti> dpm: FYI, I requested a full natty langpack export now, so I'll build/upload new natty langpacks on Sunday evening
[14:52] <pitti> cjwatson ^ FYI
[14:53] <bidream> hello all
[14:54] <bidream> i would like to know what is the best way to read a config file from a c code
[14:55] <speakman> stgraber: :)
[14:55] <bidream> Chipzz i know, i am developping for ubuntu ;)
[14:55] <Chipzz> bidream: irrelevant
[14:55] <dpm> pitti, ah, thanks. But I thought you had already done that a few days ago. (btw, it's good that you've done it now, I've just noticed banshee has changed the domain from banshee-1 to banshee and I fixed it in LP - the next langpacks should have the .mo file under the correct domain)
[14:58] <bidream> stspeakman strgraber  , thanks for the hint, it is the most usual one ?
[14:58] <doko> chrisccoulson, pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~doko/tmp/binutils_<IP_ADDRESS>10327-2ubuntu2~ppa1_i386.deb
[14:58] <doko> test case doesn't fail with this one, please retry a firefox build
[14:59] <pitti> ooh, thanks doko
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> doko - awesome, i will kick that off in a second
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> i will be so glad to get this one fixed :)
[15:01] <bidream> ho , as i am here know , i think i have suggestion for peoples preparing the livecd version, it should be good to enable to rebuild grub from the livecd menu as it is possible from the failsafe meanu of ubuntu
[15:10] <RoAkSoAx> howdy. I was wondering if MIR's need FFe?
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> doko: ideas ^^??
[15:24] <ev> mvo: what was your intent with actiongroup in apt_clone.py:358? To use it as a context manager?
[15:27] <ev> mvo: also, would you be comfortable with me adding running pyflakes to make test (for non-test code only)?
[15:27] <ev> so we avoid typo bugs
[15:27] <mvo> ev: sure, thats fine
[15:27] <ev> cool
[15:27] <mvo> ev: and maybe coverage to see how much is missing
[15:28] <ev> coverage.py makes me smile
[15:29] <mvo> ev: the actiongroup is pretty much a context manager, as long as its alive apt will not do its internal "is_garbage" calculation, this speeds the code up quite a bit
[15:29] <mvo> I should ahve added a comment
[15:29] <ev> well you assign it to a variable that never gets used, which is slightly confusing
[15:29] <ev> if you wouldn't mind just removing the LHS and letting garbage collection do its thing
[15:31] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: howdy! Do MIR's need FFe?
[15:32] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: that depends on whether they're features.
[15:33] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: if it's a small python module that hasn't been updated since maverick?
[15:33] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: or should I just file FFe to be safe?
[15:34] <cjwatson> I don't know, don't have time to think about it right now, sorry
[15:34] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: ok, no prob. Thanks!
[15:49] <sladen> jdstrand: Big Friendly Button.  But {distro,launcher,ubuntu}-{icon,logo} will probably get recognised
[15:49]  * jdstrand nods
[15:50] <jdstrand> sladen: fyi, I looked for an open bug on my problem, but couldn't find one. I'm told the fix is committed somewhere
[15:58] <doko> chrisccoulson: any feedback?
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> doko - sorry, I got sidetracked after I had to update my chroot
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> it's building now though
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> it takes a while ;)
[16:04] <sladen> jdstrand: that is the bug?
[16:06] <jdstrand> sladen: I'm sorry, you seemed to pick up on backscroll wrt to bfb, so I thought you saw the rest. my bug is that bfb does not display here on up to date natty. I do mirror (ie, with the same resolution) my screen with an external monitor. I have not (yet) tested it without the external monitor
[16:06] <seb128> jdstrand, it's a known bug with mirror
[16:06] <seb128> jdstrand, njpatel fixed it today
[16:06] <seb128> jdstrand, it will land in natty on monday
[16:07] <jdstrand> right, I was told the fix was committed. I could not find the bug number (I wanted to make sure it wasn't a different bug)
[16:09] <seb128> jdstrand, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/fixes-2011-04-11/revision/1090
[16:10] <jdstrand> heh
[16:10] <jdstrand> no wonder: "panel superposition"
[16:10] <jdstrand> that was not my search term
[16:10] <jdstrand> seb128: thanks! :)
[16:10] <seb128> jdstrand, you're welcome
[16:10] <seb128> jdstrand, well we discussed it on IRC this morning with neil
[16:11] <seb128> so yeah the description doesn't match exactly but it's the same bug
[16:11] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[16:11] <jdstrand> not criticizing or anything-- just kinda hard to find :)
[16:11] <jdstrand> keep in mind, I didn't know what 'bfb' was until today, so grain of salt and all that ;)
[16:15] <seb128> jdstrand, yeah no worry ;-)
[16:30] <lamont> so resizing a window should really resize it still, right?
[16:30] <stgraber> ScottK: what's the most up to date working daily-live for Kubuntu ?
[16:31] <Riddell> stgraber: beta 1
[16:32] <stgraber> Riddell: ok, I guess I'll have to give 4GB of RAM to that VM so I can update it a bit :)
[17:15] <kenvandine> @pilot out
[17:25] <nigelb> dbarth: You might want to join us in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[17:32] <lamont> so now it's not  just windows that decides that putting a window at the top of the screen means I want it full screen??  sigh
[17:43] <pitti> hm, here you actually have to try to push it beyond the top; I can attach it to the top edge just fine
[17:52] <SpamapS> stgraber: pong. sorry, you still wanted a 'dpkg -l' right?
[17:57] <SpamapS> stgraber: I uploaded dpkg-l.txt to bug 752393 .. note that the output has changed slightly (not sure why), but its still running lines from plymouth and lsb init scripts together
[18:05] <stgraber> SpamapS: thanks, I'll diff that with what I have here
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> doko / pitti - the binutils change looks good so far
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> the resulting binary looks correct, i just need to test it out
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> ^^kees ;)
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> yay, pie build of firefox is working \o/
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> time to drink lots of beer now
[18:21] <cjwatson> excellent, well done you and doko
[18:25] <micahg> thanks chrisccoulson and doko \o/
[18:25] <stgraber> ScottK: ping
[18:26] <stgraber> ScottK: oh, ignore that, Colin's comment answers my question (bug 628906)
[18:42] <kees> chrisccoulson: \o/ that rocks!
[18:42] <kees> chrisccoulson: thank you so much for tracking this down! :):)
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> kees - no problem. i'm just glad it's sorted now. this one gave me a couple of sleepless nights this week ;)
[18:47] <kees> chrisccoulson: I know nothing about (thread) TLS (I only understand crypto TLS), so I might pick your brain at UDS to better understand what was going on in that.
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> kees - sure, no problem. i didn't know that much about it before this week either. it's been an interesting week ;)
[19:14] <kees> @pilot in
[19:51] <kees> jhunt_: hi! are you around by chance?
[19:53] <jhunt_> kees: hi - just about :)
[20:05] <kees> jhunt_: hi, I was just looking at some merges for upstart and found that you'd already merged it into your pending branch, so I'm all good now.
[20:05] <kees> jhunt_: specifically https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/natty/upstart/upstart-job-change-restart/+merge/52547
[20:05] <kees> slangasek: can you shine any light on this merge? I'm not sure where/what it's for exactly. https://code.launchpad.net/~jcrigby/ubuntu/natty/u-boot-linaro/proposed-2011.03.2/+merge/54277
[20:06] <slangasek> kees: hmm let me check with the submitter
[20:07] <jhunt_> kees: yes, sorry! you are right - that is in my latest 0.9 + natty branches.
[20:08] <jhunt_> kees: err... just the natty branch even :)
[20:08] <kees> jhunt_: cool, no worries. I just wanted to get it off the sponsorship radar. :)
[20:08] <mdeslaur> kees: hey mr patch pilot, here's one for you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/nautilus/+bug/662194
[20:09] <mdeslaur> kees: not sure why it doesn't appear in the qa sponsors list anymore
[20:09] <kees> mdeslaur: cool; I'll poke at it.
[20:10] <mdeslaur> kees: natty is done...it's now just an sru for lucid and maverick
[20:41] <kees> mdeslaur: 662194 doesn't have an SRU justification or a testcase. looks simple enough, though.
[20:41] <kees> mdeslaur: I can prepare the uploads to -proposed, are you able to write a justification and testcase?
[20:41] <mdeslaur> kees: my mom keeps hitting that bug...it drives me _nuts_
[20:43] <mdeslaur> kees: sure, I'll add it to the bug, give me a few minutes
[20:44] <kees> mdeslaur: also there are no debdiffs for maverick and natty :P (I think this is why the sponsor group wasn't subbed yet)
[20:44] <kees> I'll work up the debdiffs
[20:44] <mdeslaur> kees: there's a merge request, look at the top of the bug
[20:45] <mdeslaur> kees: click on the "diff" links
[20:45] <kees> oh hey look, branches
[20:51] <mdeslaur> kees: I've added a blurb to the bug, you just have to subscribe ubuntu-sru when you're done uploading
[20:51] <mdeslaur> kees: thanks
[20:52] <kees> mdeslaur: you got it; thanks! I'm getting the branches merged and the code built now.
[20:57] <kees> mdeslaur: hah. upstream closed it as "obsolete" since they're all 3.0 shiny now :P
[20:57] <mdeslaur> kees: yeah, they've been doing that for all gnome 2 bugs for a while now
[20:57] <kees> looooovely
[21:26] <seb128> james_w, hi
[21:27] <james_w> hi seb128
[21:27] <seb128> james_w, how are you?
[21:27] <james_w> seb128, good thanks, how about you?
[21:27] <seb128> james_w, I'm a bit tired but fine thanks ;-)
[21:28] <seb128> james_w, when you have some time could you send an email to an ubuntu list explaining wth are those sponsoring request you keep feeling for import vcs diverting for reasons nobody understand?
[21:28] <james_w> seb128, I can
[21:28] <james_w> seb128, I don't do it though, a script does
[21:28] <seb128> james_w, I still don't know why that happen and I know other people got confused
[21:29] <james_w> and it is buggy, which is probably why you can't understand them
[21:29] <seb128> well they queue on the sponsoring list
[21:29] <seb128> so patch pilot have to deal with those and quite some are getting confused
[21:29] <seb128> I guess the others one just ignore them :p
[21:29] <seb128> but still it's confusing and annoying
[21:30] <seb128> those are things we don't do anything for, we just do normal uploads, it's disturbing
[21:30] <seb128> james_w, thanks! ;-)
[21:34] <seb128> ok, that's wrong
[21:34] <seb128> kees, I just noticed you did a non change upload to fix one of those import issues, is that required?
[21:34] <stgraber> cjwatson: do you have a few minutes to explain me how the whole plymouth boot.log thing is supposed to work ? (assuming you know :))
[21:35] <stgraber> cjwatson: my understanding is that plymouthd is usually running, plymouth-upstart-bridge sends the upstart events to plymouthd and the upstart plymouth-log upstart task dumps that to disk when it's mounted
[21:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: so on my test system I started plymouthd + plymouth-upstart-bridge in debug mode. When stopping/started jobs I see them in the log but nothing ever reaches boot.log, though lsof shows that plymouthd has it open ...
[21:36] <kees> seb128: well, I'm not sure -- I thought it would be since otherwise the bzr tree and the archive would be out of sync (i.e. the archive didn't have the typo fix that was in the old bzr tree)
[21:37] <seb128> kees, ok, see what I was just saying to james_w, I don't even understand why those happen to start
[21:37] <kees> seb128: as in, it was a no-change to the source, but the changelog and patch metadata had changes
[21:38] <kees> seb128: yeah, I did'nt realize it was an automated thing until I read that
[21:38] <kees> seb128: but it seemed so trivial, I just did it to get it out of the sponsorship queue
[21:39] <seb128> kees, well I was just raising it because the sponsoring queue has a few of those and it's not new
[21:39] <seb128> like dholbach asked yesterday why they are here
[21:39] <kees> seb128: cool, yeah, this is the first i'd seen it.
[21:40] <seb128> so I've been basically ignoring them since I don't understand the issue but I would like an explanation ;-)
[21:46] <micahg> seb128: most likely someone used UDD then someone else sponsored a patch from bug which may or may not be the same
[21:47] <seb128> not likely
[21:48] <seb128> like gtksourceview3 there was not a sponsoring request but an upload by somebody who has upload rights
[21:49] <seb128> isn't the autoimported supposed to deal fine with upload being different from commits anyway?
[21:50] <micahg> it used to overwrite them if there were no tag, now it creates one of these branches
[21:53] <dobey> kees: hi there :) can you sponsor a banshee upload for me? i just proposed the branch merge
[21:56] <kees> dobey: hi! sure, what url? I'm currently looking at 2 other uploads at the moment, so I'll check back with you in a moment...
[21:57] <dobey> kees: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/natty/banshee/fix-and-amz/+merge/57016 thanks!
[21:58] <CardinalFang> kees, Hi.  dobey is 1 meter <- that way from me, and I also need someone to look at a source-package proposal, but for desktopcouch.
[21:58] <CardinalFang> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/natty/desktopcouch/1.0.7-0u1/+merge/57014
[21:59]  * CardinalFang hates to pile on.
[21:59] <kees> CardinalFang: excellent, I will queue that after dobey's merge. :) thanks!
[21:59] <kees> piling on was what the patch pilot is here for :)
[21:59] <kees> s/was/is/
[21:59] <CardinalFang> kees, you win beers from me.  Thank you.
[21:59] <kees> \o/
[22:01] <kees> dobey: will I suddenly be flamed for being the person to upload that amz url change?
[22:02] <Laney> er
[22:02] <Laney> I just uploaded banshee
[22:02] <Laney> said I was doing it on #-desktop
[22:02] <kees> Laney: with or without merge 57016?
[22:02] <dobey> without
[22:02] <kees> okay
[22:02] <Laney> without, I wasn't asked to merge it
[22:03] <dobey> well i didn't see you were merging banshee
[22:03] <Laney> no worries
[22:03] <dobey> i'll update my branch
[22:03] <kees> thanks
[22:03] <Laney> is the u1 fix upstream?
[22:05] <dobey> it is submitted, but not reviewed, i guess i could just commit it there though
[22:06] <kees> dobey: ? it's not functional? so that upload would break since u1 doesn't support it yet?
[22:06] <Laney> we are planning on cherry-picking aggressively from stable-2.0
[22:06] <dobey> kees: what do you mean?
[22:06] <Laney> so if you get it there then it'll flow from debian
[22:06] <kees> dobey: I must be confused. :)
[22:06] <dobey> Laney: well we need it now, since it fixes a pretty annoying bug
[22:06] <kees> +- return "http://integrated-services.banshee.fm/amz/redirect.do/" + Country + "/" + action;
[22:07] <kees> 54	++ return "https://one.ubuntu.com/music/store/amz/" + Country + "/" + action;
[22:07] <kees> that change requires that https://one.ubuntu.com/music/store/amz/" + Country + "/" + action is live, yes?
[22:07] <kees> but you just said it's not live?
[22:07] <Laney> jus' sayin, in the interests of delta minimsiation
[22:07] <Laney> but ymmv, et cetera
[22:08] <dobey> kees: it is live. we have a couple fixes to deploy on the server on tuesday but if you search for music it will work
[22:08] <kees> dobey: ah-ha! okay. thanks!
[22:08] <dobey> kees: the other patch is upstream but not reviewed yet
[22:08]  * kees nods
[22:09] <dobey> Laney: yeah, i'm all for that too. but the patch can just be removed when it's pulled from upstream later, too
[22:09] <Laney> yep
[22:10] <Laney> all I'm saying is that in general I'm more than happy to pull patches from stable-2.0 for you
[22:11] <dobey> Laney: sure. thanks. i think it's more important for us to have music show up in banshee right now, than to have it committed upstream.
[22:19] <dobey> ugh. the banshee 2.0.0 isn't merged into the bzr branch yet
[22:21] <vish> jdstrand: just plain ‘compiz’ should do a compiz restart the replace is implied, Amaranth mentions that ‘compiz –replace’ is NotTheRightWay™ :)
[22:21] <jdstrand> vish: interesting. and fast response
[22:21]  * jdstrand goes to change
[22:26] <jdstrand> vish: done. thanks :)
[22:26] <vish> np.. :)
[22:34] <kees> CardinalFang: do you have the orig/dsc/etc for the new upstream release?
[22:35] <CardinalFang> kees, sure.
[22:35] <CardinalFang> kees, orig: http://launchpad.net/desktopcouch/trunk/1.0.7/+download/desktopcouch-1.0.7.tar.gz
[22:36] <dobey> kees: are you -0700 or -0800?
[22:36] <kees> dobey: I'm US pacific. I never remember my offset due to DST :)
[22:37] <slangasek> -0700 currently
[22:37]  * kees thanks slangasek
[22:37] <slangasek> we're 8 hours behind England
[22:37] <dobey> kees: ah ok. thanks
[22:37] <slangasek> which is currently one hour ahead of UTC :)
[22:41] <CardinalFang> kees,   http://sandbox.chad.org/desktopcouch_1.0.7-0ubuntu1_packaging.tar   Beware, this unpacks in PWD.
[22:41] <kees> CardinalFang: cool; thanks. the orig I think will get me sorted for an upload. orig + branch works :)
[22:42] <CardinalFang> kees, I'm a slave to the wonders of bzr bd now.  :(
[22:43] <slangasek> oh, but then you have pristine-tar metadata surely? :)
[22:43] <kees> CardinalFang: I don't trust it yet :)
[22:53] <kees> CardinalFang: dunzors
[22:54] <kees> dobey: how would you like me to handle your banshee merge?
[22:56] <CardinalFang> kees, Internet high-five.  Thank you, sir.
[22:56] <kees> np :)
[22:57] <dobey> kees: i'm waiting for the bzr branch to update still, with the 2.0.0 upload, so i can update my branch
[22:58] <kees> dobey: okay, I'll check back later; going to task switch now :)
[22:58] <dobey> kees: ok, thanks much
[22:59] <kees> np
[23:17] <kees> @pilot out
[23:53] <dobey> kees: bzr still seems not updated for banshee and time to get dinner here. if it's still not updated when i get back, i guess i'll just make a debdiff instead. cheers
[23:54] <kees> dobey: okay, cool
[23:55] <Laney> you can probably import-dsc to the bzr branch


[09:28] <jott> you could also do "cat passwd | cat | tee | cat | tee | cat | tee | tee | grep something | tee | cat | tee | tee | cat" instead of "grep something passwd" :p scnr
[09:28] <milco_> can i make the size of my icons on the kde desktop smaller?
[09:28] <milco_> i cant find it in the display /desktop settings
[09:28] <fdoving> Bearcat: it's part of libc6.
[09:29] <Bearcat> fdoving: on my distro it comes from glibc
[09:30] <fdoving> Bearcat: well, libc6 is the package name in ubuntu, the source is glibc. it's the same.
[09:30] <Bearcat> fdoving: of course
[09:31] <z00m> how to load up the app for checking for new updates ?
[09:31] <fdoving> milco_: yes, system settings -> appearance -> icons -> advanced (tab) -> desktop/filemanager
[09:31] <z00m> i just had it on the bottom right and it gone now... i want to download updates
[09:31] <fdoving> z00m: kmenu -> system -> adept manager
[09:31] <fdoving> ah.
[09:32] <z00m> fdoving: ? is it possible to open it again
[09:32] <fdoving> z00m: are there any updates available? i think it's in the background when no updates are available.
[09:32] <z00m> yeah it was just there and i closed it down by mistake
[09:32] <z00m> :)
[09:32] <fdoving> ah.
[09:33] <z00m> i had automatrix running at the time
[09:33] <fdoving> z00m: try kmenu -> run command -> 'adept_notifier'
[09:33] <recon0> Is there any package for celestia 1.4.1?
[09:33] <Bearcat> foot: cd /etc/X11/
[09:34] <z00m> fdoving: its not doing anything. ... just an egg timer on task bar
[09:34] <z00m> :(
[09:34] <z00m> then goes off
[09:34] <z00m> ah it ok, it will be there next time
[09:34] <Bearcat> foot: cd /etc/X11/
[09:34] <z00m> when i reboot
[09:34] <z00m> :D
[09:35] <Bearcat> foot: cat xorg.conf and paste it into pastebin.ca
[09:35] <Bearcat> foot: or whatever paste bin you use
[09:35] <z00m> just didnt want to reboot [09:36] <z00m> lmao :D just joking !
[09:36] <fdoving> i know, uptime doesn't count years :)
[09:36] <Bearcat> z00m: i was gonna say...old kernel? :P
[09:36] <Bearcat> there is that too.
[09:36] <foot> Bearcat: http://pastebin.ca/160845
[09:36] <z00m> hahaha
[09:37] <fdoving> and 'days' should be with a lowercase 'd'.
[09:37] <z00m> hey take u guys know about the automatrix ?
[09:37] <fdoving> :)
[09:37] <z00m> take it^
[09:37] <fdoving> !automatix
[09:37] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[09:37] <ironfroggy> im having trouble with multiple sessions on one of my boxes. i can start a new session, but the box locks up when i try to swiitch back.
[09:37] <z00m> installs many of the main apps people ask about
[09:38] <hivemind> Automatix is soooo helpful, along with a little bit of apt-getting you can have a system up so damn fast.
[09:38] <fdoving> z00m: with emphasis on "For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.".. :)
[09:38] <z00m> hivemind: yea, it still didnt install swf for me though
[09:39] <z00m> i got flash but not support for .swf
[09:39] <z00m> :(
[09:39] <hivemind> Ack.
[09:39] <louise> testing
[09:39] <z00m> < im on the x86_64 version
[09:39] <hivemind> Hi louise!
[09:39] <louise> hi
[09:39] <z00m> i got wine working on this today im well pleased
[09:40] <hivemind> z00m, Lucky you. I don't get the registry thing at all.
[09:40] <louise> bye
[09:40] <z00m> hivemind: are you on the 64bit version of (k)ubuntu
[09:40] <z00m>  ?
[09:40] <Bearcat> foot: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
[09:41] <hivemind> z00m, Nope.
[09:41] <z00m> oh
[09:41] <Bearcat> foot: vim xorg.conf
[09:42] <z00m> i tryed playing battle field 2 today, but it was saying please insert the CD in the drive when it was already in there after installing the game, its the CD protection.
[09:42] <z00m> maybe a noCD crack would solve it
[09:42] <ironfroggy> how can i diagnose issues with suspend-to-ram/disc operations?
[09:43] <ironfroggy> seeing as how the system is suspended at the time.
[09:43] <manfred> Hi, is there a printer guru available?
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> problem with a Nocrack hack on BF2. would be the servers may detect it.. and every time a new update comes out.. ya need to redo the crack.
[09:44] <flukej-walker> i've installed a few printers
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> the copy protection features are some of the things that cedega does better then wine.
[09:44] <z00m> Dr_Willis: yeah that would be a porblem yes
[09:44] <hivemind> I've realized something about these channels it best to ask your question, we try to solve it if we can.
[09:44] <hivemind> it's*
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> and now ya know why ive baciailly given up on pc gaming. :)
[09:45] <z00m> windows is for gaming
[09:45] <z00m> :P
[09:45] <DaSkreech> hivemind: Who?
[09:45] <z00m> linux is for hardcore !
[09:45] <Kr4t05> !gaming > z00m
[09:45] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Logs?
[09:45] <hivemind> DaSkreech, Manfred needs help with a printer
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gaming - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <DaSkreech> !printer
[09:45] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:45] <Kr4t05> !games > z00m
[09:45] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: nothing can be written to logs when the system is suspended.
[09:46] <Bearcat> foot: :wq!
[09:46] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Good point
[09:46] <manfred> Dr_Willis: I don't get how to print to a shared windows printer. Only activating a guest account doesn't seem to work.
[09:46] <z00m> installed that windows vista pre RC1 to have a look at....
[09:46] <manfred> Dr_Willis: Local printers are no problem
[09:46] <z00m> it made me love this kubuntu even more..
[09:47] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: happen to use the operations yourself?
[09:47] <z00m> what a pile of poo it is, everything is cramped up...
[09:47] <Kr4t05> z00m: Try Nexuiz, Quake 4, Doom 3, UT2K4, BZFlag, and Tremulous. Then tell me you can't game on linux. :)
[09:47] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Nope :)
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Or I wouldn't have said somethign silly like that :)
[09:47] <z00m> Kr4t05: is quake 4 free ?
[09:47] <jott> manfred: you configured the printer via cups http?
[09:47] <z00m> and Doom 3
[09:47] <z00m> :D
[09:48] <z00m> that would be nice !
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: UT2k7 :-D
[09:48] <manfred> Dr_Willis: all those howtos on wiki.kubuntu.org  don't work
[09:48] <Kr4t05> z00m: get a job, and support the few devels who work with Linux
[09:48] <ironfroggy> anyone here running on a laptop?
[09:48] <manfred> jott: No I tried a windows smb installation
[09:48] <z00m> Kr4t05: hahaha
[09:48] <z00m> :D
[09:48] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: I'm on a laptop
[09:48] <z00m> get a job!
[09:48] <Kr4t05> If you people whine because those few games aren't free, then they'll just stop developing/porting to Linux.
[09:49] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: using suspend operations?
[09:49] <z00m> Kr4t05: yeah but why not download them for free and then play on windows ?
[09:49] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: nope, everytime I try to suspen or hibernate, it just locks the session
[09:49] <jott> manfred: your printer is connected to a windows computer and you want to print with linux on this printer, right? (or vice versa?)
[09:49] <z00m> if you could have a game for 1 or 30 what would you like to pay ?
[09:49] <Kr4t05> z00m: because I couldn't waste my time to dual-boot
[09:49] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: it _usually_ works for me. its the "usually" part im trying to diagnose.
[09:50] <fdoving> z00m: the one that runs on linux of course.
[09:50] <Kr4t05> z00m: Also, it's redundant to pay $100 for an OS, then $20-$50 on the game.
[09:50] <z00m> yeah
[09:50] <z00m> who says you need to pay for windows ?
[09:50] <Kr4t05> I'd rather pay $0 for my OS and save my money for games. :)
[09:50] <z00m> lmao
[09:50] <z00m> :D
[09:50] <DaSkreech> z00m: Microsoft did
[09:50] <Kr4t05> z00m: we don't talk about piracy.
[09:50] <Kr4t05> !CoC
[09:50] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[09:50] <manfred> jott: I got my kubuntu laptop and want to print from it to one of our windows printers at work so that I don't have to boot win just to print
[09:50] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: what happens when it doesn't work?
[09:50] <z00m> ok guys
[09:51] <foo> Why doesn't this visudo entry work? foo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL ? I type sudo su - and it still asks for password.
[09:51] <ironfroggy> yeah because its not like microsoft is writing code just like the code you are willing to pay for in games.
[09:51] <DaSkreech> If you are going to use the product play by thier rules. If you don't want to play by thier rules then don't use the software
[09:51] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: power-light is on, no hdd activity, screen is blank, and its completely unresponsive.
[09:51] <DaSkreech>  thats' why Microsoft doesn't use Linux :)
[09:51] <z00m> :D
[09:51] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: have to restart?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Viral licenses make them wake up in a sweat at night
[09:51] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: yeah
[09:51] <z00m> @ DaSkreech
[09:52] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: were you CPU scaling at the time?
[09:52] <jott> manfred: you should be able to add the printer as smb://username:password@host/printer
[09:52] <DaSkreech> z00m: Plus I'm still playing UT2k4 years afterwards I think they deserve the money
[09:52] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: no, i dont use that.
[09:52] <DaSkreech> If Only those guys attilted mill will listen to me now :-(
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Anyone want to start a campaign? :)
[09:52] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: at least their replacing klaptop with somethin new in Edgy
[09:52] <z00m> windows is a malware / spyware / virus / trojan : main parking lot...aka mainframe!
[09:53] <ubuntu> Q   on the live cd installer where does it mount / for installation?  is it /target like it was last year ?
[09:53] <ubuntu> i'm trying to install on sda.   and from the live cd that is proving to be near impossable......
[09:53] <fdoving> z00m: #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat, please. we're trying to keep this channel on-topic, which is support. thanks in advance.
[09:53] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: yeah but that just triggers other commands to handle the actual suspension, so it doesnt solve any real problems.
[09:53] <z00m> fdoving: ok man
[09:53] <manfred> jott: I might even've tried that already but I can't remember. So I'll try tomorrow
[09:54] <z00m> ;)
[09:54] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: ah, I rarly use suspend, but I wish my hibernate worked
[09:54] <jott> manfred: maybe you even have to supply a domain like "domain\username" when you are running in an domain/active directory env...
[09:54] <DaSkreech> We should have #ubuntu-gaming
[09:54] <grizzly> synaptic says kopete would be upgraded from version <IP_ADDRESS>buntu06 to <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu6.2 . NOw how do I knowthe real verion to which kopete will be upgraded to .11.3 or .12 ??
[09:54] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: I hear all these functions are pretty experimental though
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Guess that would come up on the forums
[09:55] <z00m> anyway, people nice chatting im going to go surf the web.. catch you in abit
[09:55] <z00m> laters !!!
[09:55] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: my hibernate works about as often (which is usually, still) but i actually get better battery life doing suspend instead. dumping the memory to disk and reading it back takes juice.
[09:55] <foo> Why doesn't this visudo entry work? foo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL ? I type sudo su - and it still asks for password.
[09:55] <ironfroggy> foo: why are you running su with sudo?
[09:55] <foo> ironfroggy: Because I want a root shell.
[09:55] <Chousuke> foo: sudo -i
[09:55] <manfred> jott: When I try to install via kubuntu printthingy I can see the machines in the local workgroup but I don't have any access while it works from my winxp installation. That's what I don't get.
[09:56] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy:true, but I use hibernate for hours/days/weeks, where suspend would run it down
[09:56] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: mainly just to avoid a 1.5 min. boot
[09:56] <manfred> I'm sure it's a newbie thing from me, but I still don't know it
[09:56] <ironfroggy> foo: thats silly. you should never use a root shell. sudo makes it unnecassary.
[09:56] <jott> manfred: "tail /var/log/cups/error_log" might be helpful
[09:56] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: when do you leave you laptop away from a powersource for weeks?
[09:57] <ubuntu> ok let me ask this then, maybe it will yeld more information; is there any way, other than the (install icon), to install from the live cd ?
[09:57] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: about never
[09:57] <Bearcat> foot: locate smgl
[09:57] <ubuntu> text based perhaps ?
[09:57] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: what hardware are you running
[09:57] <flukej-walker> ?
[09:58] <foot> Bearcat: /home/lovely/.kde/share/apps/RecentDocuments/smgl-<IP_ADDRESS>-x86.iso.bz2.desktop
[09:58] <foo> ironfroggy: that still asks for my password.
[09:58] <ironfroggy> flukej-walker: dell latitude D810
[09:58] <Hawkwind> foo: What are you trying to do ?
[09:58] <Bearcat> foot: http://www.sourcemage.org/download
[09:59] <flukej-walker> ironfroggy: Im on a Compaq V2000, Intel
[09:59] <ironfroggy> foo: what file are you editing?
[09:59] <foo> ironfroggy: If I'm doing a lot of root required stuff typing in sudo 20+ times is silly.
[09:59] <foo> Hawkwind: Get root without entering my user pass.
[09:59] <ubuntu> where does the live installer mount / ?
[10:00] <ironfroggy> foo: untrue. we have policies here of never using root shells, no matter how much root stuff needs done.
[10:00] <Hawkwind> foo: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=148.0
[10:00] <ironfroggy> adding one little word isnt tought.
[10:00] <flukej-walker> ubuntu: do you mean for the install process, or the LiveCD?
[10:00] <Hawkwind> foo: Read the bottom, it's for Ubuntu users like yourself :P
[10:00] <ubuntu> flukej-walker: the installer
[10:00] <jott> foo: "sudo -i" or "sudo -s" should do the job ;)
[10:00] <ironfroggy> foo: but what is the actual file you are editing? /etc/sudoers?
[10:01] <flukej-walker> ubuntu: I think it puts it on the first open partion on your hard disk
[10:01] <ubuntu> flukej-walker: no.
[10:01] <ubuntu> never mind
[10:01] <foo> ironfroggy: hm, ok... I guess that would explain why it works on the server edition and not the desktop edition.
[10:01] <Hawkwind> jott: sudo -i isn't permanent though
[10:01] <flukej-walker> ubuntu: you can change it by manually editing parition tables
[10:01] <foo> ironfroggy: I'm running visudo, as you're supposed to
[10:01] <Hawkwind> foo: Read the how-to on LFD d00d
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> i just saw that 'hacking ubuntu' book at the bookstores. :P wheres hacking Kubuntu at! :0
[10:01] <ubuntu> flukej-walker: you don't understand my question.
[10:01] <flukej-walker> ubuntu: sorry
[10:02] <foo> Hawkwind: oh, hmm
[10:02] <ironfroggy> foo: have you tried just adding yourself to the admin group?
[10:02] <flukej-walker> ubuntu: are you trying to install to a USB or somethin?
[10:02] <Hawkwind> foo: Read the bottom of it.  It's Ubuntu specific
[10:02] <angasule> !kdm
[10:02] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 600 kB, installed size 1468 kB
[10:02] <ubuntu> do you know what mount point on the live cd  the installer uses to mount the root fs for the new install ?
[10:02] <foo> ironfroggy / Hawkwind: Nice, that worked.
[10:02] <fdoving> foo: it's like 'username ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL'
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: You can install via chroot and debootstrap (search for the install from knoppix howto on the wiki)
[10:03] <jott> Hawkwind: what do you mean with "permanent"?
[10:03] <foo> fdoving: ahh
[10:03] <Hawkwind> jott: As in forever.  sudo -i isn't permanent after a reboot or restart of X AFAIK
[10:03] <ironfroggy> any idea how i can run a command over ssh and include environment variables?
[10:03] <Hawkwind> foo: Just read the how-to man.  I've documented it there
[10:03] <foot> where are my bookmarks held?
[10:03] <ironfroggy> i dont see any options for it in man ssh
[10:04] <foo> Hawkwind: That's why I don't read it, you documented it.
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Hear Hear!!
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  i dont think thats even doable.. ssh is spawning a new shell on the remote box,
[10:04] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: debootstrap you say ?
[10:04] <Hawkwind> foo: LOL.  It was done by someone in this channel actually
[10:04] <ironfroggy> Dr_Willis: yes and i want it to set some envvars up there before running the command
[10:04] <foo> Hawkwind: That's why I ran from everyone :0
[10:04] <Hawkwind> foo: Question....are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[10:04] <jott> Hawkwind: sudo -i gives you a root shell with "simulated initial login" like "su -"
[10:05] <Hawkwind> jott: I know that, but that is NOT what he wants
[10:05] <ironfroggy> Dr_Willis: just like if i did "DISPLAY=whatever xterm" locally
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  there ooodles of ssh tips/guides/tricks pages -  they may have a answer to that.
[10:05] <Hawkwind> jott: He wants sudo to never ask for a password, ever
[10:05] <jott> Hawkwind: ok ..
[10:05] <Bearcat> foot: /home/bearcat/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[10:05] <foo> Hawkwind: fubuntu
[10:05] <Hawkwind> jott: sudo -i is not permanent after a reboot
[10:05] <jott> sure
[10:05] <DaSkreech> He want NOPASSWD
[10:05] <wolf> hi
[10:06] <ironfroggy> whats the right value for DISPLAY to get display 0?
[10:06] <Dr_Willis>  ip#:0
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> DISPLAY=yourip:0
[10:06] <wolf> i have kubuntu  but i not mount a patitions ntfs ?
[10:07] <fdoving> ironfroggy: :0
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  you trying to ssh and get X apps to be ran?
[10:07] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: no, local display. localhost:0 didnt work.
[10:07] <ironfroggy> Dr_Willis: yes
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  you have read up on that ssh -X option?
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> You normally dont need to export the display when you ssh over to a machine with the right ssh options
[10:07] <[GuS] > for Mac Lovers ;) http://www.lnxteam.com.ar/downloads/pub/ubuntu/wallpapers/Kubuntu-MacOSX-wallpaper.jpg
[10:08] <ironfroggy> im not trying to do X11 forwarding over ssh
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> or it is the -x option.. i forget.
[10:08] <foo> Hawkwind: Just ubuntu with fluxbox
[10:08] <ironfroggy> im trying to run the program and the window on the remote machine, in specific cases.
[10:08] <ironfroggy> i already have proper forwarding setup.
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: With X forwarding you can use DISPLAY=<IP_ADDRESS>:0 (That is what I ment)
[10:09] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: why would i use an IP for a local display?
[10:09] <Fade> 0:0 is shorthand for the local display.
[10:09] <ironfroggy> Fade: thanks. just got it working.
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> if you sshed to a box - its not the local display is it.
[10:09] <Fade> when the display is local, x doesn't use IP to export the display.
[10:09] <Fade> it uses a faster shared memory system.
[10:09] <ironfroggy> Dr_Willis: yes. im trying to run the program for that boxes dispaly, not mine.
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  aha.. so you are trying to run say xterm, on the remote box.. and have it show on the allready running X display on that remote box.
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> xterm -display remoteip:0 & (assumes xauth or xhost is setup properly)
[10:11] <Fade> running a setup like that on the internet is crazy.
[10:11] <ironfroggy> yes. particularly, ive set it up so i have an icon to launch the Synergy client on the remote box. since i already had ssh forwarding setup tho, it was running it there but connecting to my X sessions. so it just made the cursor loop around the same screen instead of crossing over.
[10:11] <Fade> use ssh to forward X connections if that's what you want.
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> Or use a vpn
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> isakmpd is pretty easy to setup
[10:11] <ironfroggy> Fade: im already using ssh to forward the X connections. thats exactly what i had to _avoid_ for this one particular case, where i actually didnt want them forwarded.
[10:12] <Fade> if you start a process inside an ssh session, it'll take the forwarded display because ssh implicitly sets the DISPLAY var.
[10:12] <ironfroggy> Fade: yes i know. thats what i had to get around.
[10:13] <angasule_> how do I make kdm display a list of users? I've checked 'show list' in the system settings, but it doesn't work (at least I got the autocomplete to work, but a list would be much better), I'm not using the default theme, but when I tried using the default it didn't work, either
[10:14] <Fade> angasule_: did you restart X/kdm?
[10:15] <angasule_> Fade: yes, but it's not necessary, I believe (since I 'switch user' to test, I've rebooted a few times, anyway)
[10:15] <Fade> I'm not sure what the answer is, offhand.
[10:15] <Fade> I always implicitly hide the users.
[10:15] <Fade> I assume they know their own login credentials, and anybody who doesn't have any probably shouldn't know which ones are valid anyhow.
[10:16] <angasule_> Fade: I'm not working for the CIA, this is my family's computer, no secret UFO plans hidden in it :)
[10:17] <Fade> it's just a habit.
[10:17] <fdoving> angasule_: i suggest taking a look at /etc/kde3/kdmrc - i find the config file much easier to understand than the messy GUI configuration module.
[10:18] <Fade> I didn't know it was kosher to give that kind of advice in a kde centric channel. :)
[10:18] <fdoving> Fade: it's a kubuntu centric channel. :)
[10:18] <fdoving> kubuntu is the commandline too. :)
[10:18] <Fade> well, the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is kde.
[10:18] <fdoving> sometimes the commandline and the config files are the best way.
[10:19] <angasule_> fdoving: I've it open already, but it's not helping much
[10:19] <Daskreech2> fdoving: Most times
[10:19] <fdoving> angasule_: ok, go to line 350
[10:20] <fdoving> Daskreech2: i know, don't tell anyone else :)
[10:20] <angasule_> fdoving: is that some kind of joke? :P
[10:20] <Daskreech2> :-)
[10:20] <fdoving> angasule_: what? about going to line 350 ? no.
[10:20] <Dannilion> Can someone tell me how to get rid of the sound delay for flash (and other things) in Kubuntu?
[10:21] <ironfroggy> if you find out, tell me :-/
[10:21] <tkan> hola
[10:21] <Fade> stop using artsd
[10:21] <angasule_> fdoving: well, kdmrc is in /etc/kde3/kdm on kubuntu dapper, and on this system, it has 77 lines
[10:21] <Fade> it's a heinous ditch pig.
[10:21] <Dannilion> ok
[10:21] <tkan> alguien me puede ayudar?
[10:22] <ironfroggy> Fade: replace it with what
[10:22] <httpdss> !es
[10:22] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:22] <fdoving> angasule_: ok,then the configuration module must have modified it. search for UserList then.
[10:22] <Dannilion> Fade: Yeah, and how?
[10:22] <angasule_> UserList=true fdoving
[10:23] <angasule_> fdoving: I did mention that earlier :)
[10:23] <fdoving> angasule_: what about 'ShowUsers' ?
[10:23] <angasule_> fdoving: ShowUsers=Selected , what are other possible values?
[10:24] <fdoving> angasule_: NotHidden
[10:24] <fdoving> angasule_: but i suggest keeping Selected.
[10:24] <Xcalibur> !w32codecs
[10:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:24] <fdoving> angasule_: take a look at 'SelectedUsers'
[10:24] <fdoving> angasule_: that should be a list of the users you want in the list.
[10:24] <lnxkde> how I share my files with dapper.
[10:25] <lnxkde> I have a fresh install
[10:25] <lnxkde> what I must install?
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> install samba is one way
[10:25] <lnxkde> linux to MAC
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> depends on exactly you are shareing and with what.
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> os-x can access samba shares
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> and nfs also i think. (not sure)
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> It can proberly do ssh file transfers as well.
[10:26] <lnxkde> Dr_Willis what packages I must install to get smaba working ?
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> !samba
[10:26] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:26] <angasule_> fdoving: yes, the list is correct, btw, do I have to use the default theme for the list to show up (I'm using circles, and it's still not showing up)
[10:26] <fdoving> lnxkde: 'samba' and 'kdenetwork-filesharing' to be able to rightclick and 'share'
[10:27] <fdoving> angasule_: you have to disable theming. iirc.
[10:27] <fdoving> angasule_: set UseTheme=false
[10:27] <angasule_> fdoving: that would revert me to the default theme? or would it be possible to retain the new theme? the default is ugly, looks like it's from the early '90s
[10:30] <fdoving> angasule: yes, that would revert to the good old early '90s theme. Maybe you can find a theme at kde-look.org, that supports userslists.
[10:30] <angasule_> hmm, ok, thanks, I'll try that
[10:31] <phreakys> hi
[10:32] <phreakys> does anyone know how to implement ntfs-3g with konqueror?
[10:32] <phreakys> i would like to read/write my external usb ntfs hdd
[10:32] <phreakys> dont know if this can be done by editing fstab :/
[10:33] <milco_> thanks for the tip fdoving! :)
[10:34] <danish> how do i setup a printer
[10:34] <Hawkwind> danish: systemsettings
[10:37] <fdoving> milco_: you're welcome :)
[10:41] <Eliseth> *pokes the room* Anyone alive in here?
[10:42] <danish> dang windows asks me for a driver while linux comes with it impressive
[10:42] <flukej-walker> Linux truly is easier and faster to install, at least in my opinion
[10:43] <danish> i do
[10:43] <Eliseth> :) Well hello there :P
[10:43] <[GuS] > Me too
[10:44] <Eliseth> I actually am having a bit of trouble with it
[10:44] <ubuntu> I have an UBUNTU cd from a magazine who no obvious way to move the config to my hard disk.  Any ideas what is going on?
[10:45] <angasule_> it's unbelievable, almost no kdm theme supports user lists
[10:46] <Eliseth> I'm trying to run Uplink on it. But it keeps asking for libglut.so.3 and I know I have it... I have a feeling this has got to do with it being 64bit... I had the same trouble with Google Earth but I fixed it with Linux32.. Uplink still isn't working though
[10:46] <mattikoo> I tried to install all packages again. I got error E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle.
[10:47] <ubuntu_> can anyone tell me how I can install dmraid with the Kubuntu LiveCD?  It's not listed in the gui package manager
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu_, add it off a repo
[10:47] <Riddell> ubuntu_: you can't, you need the alternate CD for raid and lvm
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> actually, not sure haw that works
[10:48] <ubuntu_> sorry I'm new to Linux, what is a repo?
[10:48] <kubuntu_newbie> hello there
[10:48] <Hawkwind> Repo = repository, where deb files are kept
[10:48] <angasule_> Hawkwind: now explain what a deb file is ;)
[10:48] <ubuntu_> ok, so how would I add dmraid from the repo?
[10:49] <kubuntu_newbie> I found some tutorial "how to install anything on ubuntu" .. it says something about synaptic for getting packages ..  err  is "adept" the according software on kubuntu?
[10:49] <Hawkwind> angasule_: I'll just continue to build them and let someone else explain what it is :P
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> !adept
[10:49] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> !synaptic
[10:49] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[10:49] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: You can't AFAIK.  Like Riddell stated you have to use the alternate CD
[10:49] <kubuntu_newbie> ah
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> ya can always install synaptic and run it. :P
[10:49] <ubuntu_> ok, where would I get the alternate CD ?
[10:49] <kubuntu_newbie> thanks :)
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> they are both jus front ends to the apt-get system
[10:49] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: From any Kubuntu.org mirror
[10:49] <kubuntu_newbie> okay
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> and yes.. i perfer synaptic to adept
[10:49] <flukej-walker> i do also
[10:50] <Riddell> kubuntu_newbie: it is yes
[10:50] <lters> but neither bets plain old apt-get ;)
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu_newbie, yes it is
[10:50] <holy_cow> I'm having a problem setting up Samba using "Sharing" in system settings.
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> lters, for real
[10:50] <holy_cow> The "file sharing" section is greyed out (even in admin mode)
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu_, i was wrong, Hawkwind  nad Riddell were right
[10:50] <lters> adept will not show the *secrets*
[10:50] <lters> like what else you need to install or might want to.
[10:51] <ubuntu_> hm, ok ... so what do I need to do then?
[10:51] <gourdin> hi there
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> my friend uses kubuntu and windows and couldn't get his DVD to play on Windows because of the codecs
[10:51] <gourdin> anyone here can help me to setup a 1200x800 res on a i945 laptop ?
[10:51] <Russel> hiho
[10:52] <Russel> does kopete not support jingle at the moment?
[10:52] <Admiral_Chicago> and ended up using kubuntu to play the dvd. it was sweet
[10:52] <angasule_> gaaah, no kdm theme for user lists, then people complain about linux people being loners :P
[10:52] <flukej-walker> ubuntu_: first, install (K)ubuntu an drid yourself of Windows
[10:52] <Riddell> holy_cow: it's somewhat broken, installing samba may help
[10:52] <ubuntu_> let me ask this:  If I want to install Kubuntu on a RAID 0 setup, is there anyway to see the partitions in the array other than using dmraid?
[10:52] <holy_cow> Riddell, I thought that was a front end to samba config
[10:53] <flukej-walker> ubuntu_: like someone above said, you will most likely need the Alternate Disc, the one with the good ol' text based install
[10:53] <Riddell> holy_cow: it is
[10:53] <lters> gourdin: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:53] <gourdin> iters I need to use the i915resolution
[10:54] <gourdin> and I didn't find any doc
[10:54] <bergos> hi
[10:54] <bergos> how do i change language of KDM? it seems that its in slovak or something by default
[10:54] <ubuntu_> ok I'll just try downloading the alternate CD and give that a try, thanks for the help
[10:55] <mattikoo> I tried reinstall corrupted packages with command : dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}'|xargs sudo apt-get --reinstall -y --force-yes install. I got error message: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. Have I any possiblities to continue system fixing?
[10:55] <flukej-walker> ubuntu_: no prob. I assume you have the net on your Linux box?
[10:55] <angasule_> bergos: in the system settings, go to 'login manager', it has the option to change the language
[10:55] <bergos> also i get a white screen when trying to use xgl
[10:56] <eds01> the stuff on my screen extends off the moniter.  If i'm just in the terminal, before Xservers started up, the command i'm typeing's a line or two below the screen (after the screen fills up with the other commands, of course), and if i just press maximize on something after the xservers started, i can only see hald of the quit thing, the other half's outside the moniter
[10:56] <angasule_> bergos: xgl is unstable as hell
[10:56] <eds01> anyone have any idea's?
[10:56] <holy_cow> Riddell, you just edit samba.conf or do you use a gui?
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> bergos, do you know how i can change some of the xgl settings
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> holy_cow, there is a way
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> kcmconf or something like that
[10:57] <holy_cow> I'm all ears..eh..eyes =)
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> holy_cow: The cleanest way is just to edit smb.conf (syntax is pretty simple)
[10:57] <holy_cow> alright
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> holy_cow, i don't remember the command...sorry
[10:57] <holy_cow> I've done it before, just figured a GUI would be nice if it was native
[10:58] <holy_cow> but I'll edit away :)
[10:58] <kubuntu_newbie> hooray
[10:58] <kubuntu_newbie> I installed firefox ;)
[10:59] <zorgluuu> :)
[10:59] <eds01> ^_^
[10:59] <bergos> kubuntu_newbie: hehe =)
[10:59] <flukej-walker> kubuntu_newbie: have you tried the EasyUbuntu script?
[10:59] <Riddell> holy_cow: I have no windows machines so it's hard for me to test it
[10:59] <kubuntu_newbie> er no?
[10:59] <kubuntu_newbie> what's that
[10:59] <kubuntu_newbie> I used adept
[10:59] <zorgluuu> !easyubuntu
[10:59] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[10:59] <eds01> you can also use apt-get
[11:00] <eds01> its also pretty simple
[11:00] <kubuntu_newbie> yes
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> holy_cow, the command had a GUI
[11:00] <eds01> just type in sudo apt-get install <foo> into the terminal, and give it your password
[11:01] <eds01> anyway, does anyone know how to make the stuff on the screen not extened off my moniter?
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> what stuff?
[11:01] <kubuntu_newbie> e.g. I want to install mjoo .. some audio software .. but it isn't available as paket ..  it needs to be downloaded ..  and uses gtk+ 2.8 and python 2.4
[11:02] <eds01> well, for instance, before i start x server, the commands can og off the screen - the bottom of the scren apears to be about a line or two below where the moniter ends
[11:02] <james_xxx> is there a free version of win4lin?
[11:03] <eds01> and when i maximise the windo, i can bearly see the X thing in the top right of the window
[11:03] <flukej-walker> kubuntu_newbie: that easyubuntu script installs all kinds of stuff, mp3 support, some codecs
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> eds01,  you mean the console? thers some fbset commands, or adjust your monitor.. or disable the framebuffer support, or change the res/mode of the framebuffer-console.
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> :P
[11:03] <kubuntu_newbie> ok I will check it out
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> eds01,  you got a lcd or crt monitor?
[11:04] <eds01> lcd
[11:04] <bergos> wich packages are needed to run xgl?
[11:04] <bergos> with kde
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> eds01,  thats very weird. normally lcd's dont have that issue.
[11:04] <eds01> it did a similar thing when i had it hooked up to my sisters compy after i installed debian
[11:04] <angasule_> all kdm themes seems to have a problem, displaying a white box below the user list, does anyone know the solution to this? I googled and it looks like a common problem, but no solution was mentioned
[11:05] <eds01> except it just chopped off the first few letters of words in the terminal
[11:05] <angasule_> !xgl
[11:05] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> eds01: auto image adjust (your lcd may have a similar function)
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> eds01: I presume you are not using dvi
[11:06] <eds01> i dont beleive so
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> You will probably have an auto image adjust function somewhere in the menus
[11:07] <eds01> i just did the auto adjust, and it appeard to work
[11:07] <eds01> i'm going to stop the Xserver so i can see if it really worked
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> You may have to do it again then (but after a while it just remembers - well mine does)
[11:08] <james_xxx> is there a free version of win4lin?
[11:09] <flukej-walker> !win4lin
[11:09] <grothesk> nalioth:
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win4lin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <grothesk> james_xxx: wine...
[11:10] <jvives> hey all!!! need help... my system is crashing when I turn it off... I have no idea on where can I find some log info on this... how can I identify the source of the crash?
[11:10] <james_xxx> grothesk: i have a very, very old scanner that apparently cannot be used in linux. do you think it would be possible to install the windows drivers for it and use it with wine?
[11:11] <flukej-walker> jvives: have you tried shuting down from the terminal?
[11:11] <james_xxx> ok i guess grothesk left lol
[11:12] <flukej-walker> jvives:that way, you can see the point at which it crashes
[11:12] <james_xxx> i have a very, very old scanner that apparently cannot be used in linux. would anyone know if it would be possible to install the windows drivers for it and use it with wine?
[11:13] <bergos> LOL no wonder xgl  did not work for me i didnt have proto! omg i suck so badly sometimes
[11:13] <lupine_85> james_xxx: I believe there is a way/project for doing that, but it's name escapes me for now.
[11:13] <lupine_85> Probably something to do with TWAIN
[11:13] <lupine_85> !twain
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about twain - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <james_xxx> you don't mean sane?
[11:14] <flukej-walker> !sane
[11:14] <ubotu> sane: scanner graphical frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1 (dapper), package size 103 kB, installed size 324 kB
[11:14] <bergos> twain is windows 98/2000 image aquiring technique
[11:14] <bergos> me/xp uses wia instead
[11:14] <jvives> flukej-walker: I'll do that next time, thx
[11:14] <james_xxx> cool, that might be what i need.
[11:15] <james_xxx> 98/2000 would be fine. this scanner is 10 years old or so
[11:15] <flukej-walker> jvives:if you can't get an idea there, you might have to go dig in some logs, but I'm no help there
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Is it scsi ?
[11:15] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: yes
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Is the scsi card working properly ? is it ISA / PCI ?
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> most scsi scanners can work
[11:16] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i think it is ISA... is that the longer one?
[11:17] <lupine_85> long and black
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: black socket - 2 parts one short one longer
[11:17] <james_xxx> yes, it is ISA
[11:17] <lupine_85> Windows drivers are TWAIN
[11:17] <lupine_85> Google says TWAIN 2.0 looks like it will be supported on *nix - but that hardly helps you know
[11:17] <james_xxx> i do have a scsi PCI card here, though
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> is the scsi card detected ?
[11:18] <beregos> minor problem still
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> (anywhere in dmesg)
[11:18] <james_xxx> lupine_85: i could wait a few months, it has been collecting dust for a year or more anyways
[11:18] <beregos> my titlebars has disappeared
[11:18] <beregos> how do i fix it?
[11:18] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: let me check
[11:19] <lupine_85> no idea as to timescale, but http://www.twain.org/docs/twain_20_unix.htm
[11:19] <jt__> hello again...
[11:19] <jt__> can anyone get katapult to work with amarok now?
[11:19] <jt__> it used to work well, and was really useful
[11:19] <flukej-walker>  i can
[11:20] <jt__> what version of amarok do you run?
[11:20] <flukej-walker> um let me check
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> jt__, not me, katapult borked out on me
[11:20] <jt__> :(
[11:21] <jt__> do you get an item in the playlist like: "from ... stream"
[11:21] <flukej-walker> jt__: i have 1.4.2
[11:21] <flukej-walker> Aug 31, 2006 build
[11:22] <jt__> bah, thanks
[11:22] <jt__> that's the same version as me
[11:22] <flukej-walker> do you mean, where you type the song name, and it plays it?
[11:22] <jt__> yeah
[11:22] <flukej-walker> let me double check that
[11:22] <jt__> it finds the song OK, but doesnt load it into the playlist properly
[11:23] <flukej-walker> does it give you an error?
[11:23] <jt__> nope
[11:23] <flukej-walker> hmm
[11:24] <jt__> !pastebin
[11:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:24] <flukej-walker> on mine, it pops up an error, then has a blank playlist item that says from
[11:24] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i have looked all through dmesg , and see nothing about scsi.... however, the scanner does power up, if that means anything
[11:26] <jt__> flukej-walker: that's exactly what happens to me
[11:26] <jt__> hadnt noticed the error before
[11:26] <flukej-walker> hmm
[11:26] <flukej-walker> this ver. of amarok doesn't load my visulisations either
[11:27] <jt__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22555
[11:27] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i may ask you about this again sometime later, as i have to leave
[11:27] <james_xxx> thanks for the help and the info, all!
[11:28] <flukej-walker> jt__: did you notice the error's URL starts with a period?
[11:29] <jt__> yeah, that's wrong isnt it
[11:29] <flukej-walker> i think
[11:29] <jt__> i had a look at the katapult source a while ago
[11:29] <jt__> and couldnt work out what was going on :(
[11:30] <flukej-walker> i wonder if it is katapult and not amarok?
[11:30] <jt__> i would guess it is katapult that needs to be changed
[11:31] <jt__> maybe the amarok dcop call format changed or soemthing
[11:31] <flukej-walker> i bet katapult needs to update
[11:31] <flukej-walker> it is prob not configed for 1.4.2
[11:31] <flukej-walker> its a pretty recent update
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> You need a newer libvisual 0.4 (I think) for visualisations to work on 1.4.2
[11:32] <flukej-walker> yeah
[11:32] <flukej-walker> i had that prob too
[11:32] <jt__> yeah - I've tried the svn katapult to see if it's fixed there, but no luck
[11:32] <flukej-walker> i guess we'll have to wait
[11:32] <flukej-walker> or downgrade amarok
[11:32] <jt__> :'( it was such a useful feature
[11:32] <flukej-walker> it was indeed
[11:33] <flukej-walker> perhaps a moment of silence for its passing
[11:33] <jt__> lol
[11:33] <flukej-walker> lol
[11:34] <ryanakca> can I delete /tmp/sess_* ?
[11:35] <flukej-walker> ryanakac: I imagine anything in the /tmp/ folder is ok to delete
[11:36] <flukej-walker> ryanakac: you might want to reboot though, to make sure a proc isn't using it
[11:43] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody about 5.1 surround setting up?
[11:43] <MetaMorfoziS> i have:  Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[11:43] <MetaMorfoziS> and 2channel from 6 are working
[11:43] <MetaMorfoziS> but the other 2 jacks that originally line in and mic
[11:43] <MetaMorfoziS> is used for input
[11:43] <MetaMorfoziS> and i can't set it to output
[11:43] <flukej-walker> i have a Creative ZS2 Notebook PCMCIA card that gives me my 5.1
[11:44] <flukej-walker> are you using OSS, or ALSA?
[11:44] <flukej-walker> ALSA let me use mine just fine
[11:45] <milco> i got some items on my desktop which can only be started using sudo... under /root access
[11:46] <milco> how do i manage to get this done?
[11:46] <flukej-walker> milco: are they on your /home/Desktop?
[11:47] <flukej-walker> milco: are they programs, media, devices?
[11:47] <milco> no
[11:47] <milco> games, Quake 4 / Doom 3 - Doom3 Classic
[11:48] <flukej-walker> ah
[11:48] <milco> they reside in /usr/local/games
[11:48] <flukej-walker> ok
[11:48] <milco> i dont wanne start everything trough a console..
[11:48] <flukej-walker> the /usr/ folder can only be written to by root
[11:49] <flukej-walker> if you access them through a link, you might be able to set the command to 'sudo ****'
[11:49] <jt__> milco: put a menu item or shortcut to 'kdesu binaryname'
[11:50] <jt__> then you will get the nice inputbox to put your password in
[11:50] <pekay> Why does amarok upgrade from 1.3.9 to 1.4.0 break?
[11:51] <flukej-walker> pekay: break how?
[11:51] <pekay> flukej-walker: shows as BREAK, and libipf isnt available or something :/
[11:52] <pekay> flukej-walker: shows as BREAK, and libipf isnt available or something :/
[11:53] <flukej-walker> pekay: you might want to try uninstalling (removing) and then installing the newest version
[11:55] <pekay> flukej-walker: ah, i added the extra repositories, and it's there
[11:55] <flukej-walker> ok
[11:59] <bobbyd> hi
[11:59] <bobbyd> is anyone using kdevelop extensively under dapper?
[12:00] <bobbyd> i get a crash on exit that's corrupting my projects
[12:00] <grothesk> Is someone very well informed about powermanagement in the channel?
[12:00] <bobbyd> I'm trying to get a repro case just now
[12:00] <bobbyd> grothesk, what do you want to know?
[12:00] <Ub3r-L33ch> ok guys I tried installing via Kubuntu Alternate CD, I still couldnt get the software RAID configuration to work
[12:01] <hasenkamp> hello everybody... I got the update for the new kernel and my wireles desapear... how do i fix it?
[12:01] <Ub3r-L33ch> I went to:  Configure Software RAID > Keep Current Partition Layout and Configure RAID - yes > Create MD device > RAID 0 > I get message "No RAID Partitions Available"
[12:01] <grothesk> bobbyd: when resuming from hibernate, my sound is missing, when resuming from 'Ruhezustand' (don't know the english expression) my touchpad is missing.
[12:02] <grothesk> Which skripts are reposible for resuming?
[12:02] <bobbyd> grothesk, check the syslog for any messages about those drivers
[12:03] <bobbyd> grothesk, I know the hibernate one is "hibernate" and that it tries to do some stuff with drivers that don't hibernate well
[12:03] <bobbyd> I think you can specify some drivers to unload and reload when it resumes
[12:04] <bobbyd> it runs "pmi action suspend" when it hibernates (that is suspend to disk)
[12:05] <Ub3r-L33ch> can anyone help me with software RAID install?
[12:05] <bobbyd> Ub3r-L33ch, what's the problem?
[12:06] <Ub3r-L33ch> when I go to Config Software Raid and try to "Create MD device" on RAID 0 - it says "No RAID partitions Available"
[12:06] <Ub3r-L33ch> I'm using the Alternate install CD
[12:07] <grothesk> bobbyd: ksystemlog doesn't tell me anything useful.
[12:08] <grothesk> But why is resuming from hibernate different than resuming from suspend2ram?
[12:08] <bobbyd> grothesk, run "pmi action suspend" from a console and see what ir says
[12:09] <bobbyd> grothesk, no idea :)


[02:34] <willwh> KombuchaKip: awesome
[02:34] <willwh> I use simple scan a lot, I have anold scanner with no current win drivers
[02:34] <willwh> so my wife getting linux exposure when she needs to scan stuff
[02:34] <willwh> haha
[02:44] <BobJonkman> KombuchaKip: I've been using YAGF for OCR (mostly with PDFs that have scanned images of MS-Word docs. sigh.)
[02:44] <BobJonkman> http://symmetrica.net/cuneiform-linux/yagf-en.html
[02:45] <BobJonkman> So, option 1 in the bug report to launch something like YAGF would suit my purposes just fine!
[02:46] <KombuchaKip> willwh & BobJonkman: Thanks a lot for your feedback. I implore you to please post your encouragement of completion of this feature request on Launchpad at the bug report page. It will encourage my colleagues to task me with further desktop bugs and feature requests.
[02:47] <BobJonkman> KombuchaKip: Will do!
[02:47] <KombuchaKip> BobJonkman: Much appreciated. If it is important to you, please let me colleagues know on the page.
[02:47] <KombuchaKip> BobJonkman: *my colleagues
[02:48] <BobJonkman> I have to admit, I haven't been running around in circles, wild-eyed and bushy-haired, wailing "Oh, if only I had integrated OCR scanning from within SimpleScan".
[02:48] <BobJonkman> But it would be good to have, regardless.
[02:52] <BobJonkman> Done! https://bugs.launchpad.net/simple-scan/+bug/483391/comments/25
[02:57] <KombuchaKip> BobJonkman: Thanks a lot.
[02:58] <BobJonkman> KombuchaKip: You're welcome.
[02:58] <BobJonkman> Do you want me to tickle the Ubuntu-ca mailing list with this?
[03:01] <KombuchaKip> BobJonkman: You are most welcome to!
[03:02] <BobJonkman> OK, a bit later. I'm supposed to be working on something, but I've been procrastinating. So now I'm going to procrastinate on that, to avoid procrastinating on the other.
[03:50] <KombuchaKip> BobJonkman: No worries man.
[18:14] <willwh_> sup brews
[18:14] <willwh_> a balmy 11 degrees in victoria today
[18:14] <willwh_> :)


[04:58] <Kilos> morning guys
[05:02] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[05:02] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[05:04] <psydroid> I couldn't enter so many channels recently because of frigg, but he has fortunately been sent back into retirement
[05:04] <Kilos> hehe
[05:11] <Squirm> morning
[05:11] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:03] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos, psydroid and Tonberry
[06:03] <Trixar_za> Oh and Squirm :P
[06:04] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[06:06] <psydroid> hi Trixar_za
[06:07] <superfly> morning Kilos, Trixar_za, psydroid and Squirm
[06:07] <Trixar_za> Morning superfly
[06:07] <Kilos> hiya superfly
[06:07] <psydroid> hi superfly
[06:40] <jrgns> morning all
[06:53] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[08:16]  * Kilos greets confluency
[08:28] <Kilos> yo Trix[a]r_za
[08:28] <Kilos> hmm crazy nick change
[08:29] <Kilos> yo inetpro jy moet al by die werk wees
[08:30] <Kilos> hi not_found-droid
[08:31] <Kilos> Maaz, nickometer Trix[a]r_za
[08:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Trix[a]r_za is 69.4% lame
[08:32] <Kilos> Maaz, nickometer Trixar_za
[08:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Trixar_za is 14.4% lame
[08:43] <tonberryE352> Maaz, nickometer Tonberry
[08:43] <Maaz> tonberryE352: Tonberry is 0.0% lame
[08:43] <tonberryE352> wheeee
[08:43] <tonberryE352> oh and hello
[08:45] <not_found-droid> Kilos: hi uncle
[08:51]  * Squirm yawns
[08:51] <Squirm> I want bed
[08:52] <not_found-droid> +1
[08:52] <bakuman> -5
[08:54] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:54] <Kilos> methinks the bot doesnt like fancy figures
[08:55] <Kilos> how come you tired so early inna day Squirm
[08:55] <Squirm> cause I have to wake up so early, don't like getting up at 7 :/
[08:56] <Kilos> 4 hours ago and you tired?
[08:56] <Kilos> whew
[08:56] <Kilos> long day ahead
[08:56] <zeref_work> long days are long :D
[08:57] <Squirm> I can't get to sleep before 23h00
[09:01] <Symmetria> man, applying for ip space is such a pain sometimes
[09:02] <Kilos> hi Symmetria just the man we are looking for
[09:03] <Symmetria> ?
[09:03] <Kilos> whew
[09:03] <Kilos> we also kinda need space but its for ubuntu to have a debdelta server
[09:04] <Symmetria> heh Im trying to get space for another university
[09:04] <Symmetria> a LOT of it
[09:04] <Symmetria> ugh
[09:04] <Symmetria> I see the constitutional court
[09:04] <Symmetria> authorised e-tolling this morning
[09:05] <Symmetria> well, the interdict has been lifted, so they can start tolling, but I dont think this fight is over yet
[09:05] <Kilos> oi
[09:05] <Kilos> soon it will be cheaper by train or plane
[09:07] <magespawn> morning all
[09:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:09] <magespawn> how you doing and the sheep?
[09:09] <Kilos> hehe we all good ty and you and fish
[09:10] <magespawn> the fish are all healthy again, but i am bit frustrated
[09:10] <Kilos> sheep very happy, green stuff popping up after the bit of rain we had
[09:10] <Kilos> why wassup?
[09:10] <magespawn> could not get through to me server in the shop last night
[09:11] <Kilos> reason?
[09:11] <magespawn> that an shop assitant if off sick
[09:11] <magespawn> not sure for either one
[09:11] <Kilos> eish
[09:12] <magespawn> might have been vodacom getting too much traffic through the tower or maybe my internet, i was downloading a 3.5gb file last night at the shop
[09:12] <Kilos> how you hit an f in place of an s
[09:12] <Kilos> they far apart
[09:13] <Kilos> sjoe fat file
[09:13] <magespawn> Backtrack, linux distro for penetration testing
[09:14] <magespawn> where did i hit an f in place of an s
[09:14] <magespawn> ?
[09:16] <Kilos> assistant if off sick
[09:16] <Kilos> never mind i miss typos anyway
[09:16] <magespawn> typing is not always what it should be
[09:21] <Kilos> have you got one pc in the shop that can control the others
[09:23] <magespawn> i might go off line just now, i am up dating the server
[09:23] <Kilos> np
[09:24] <magespawn> no that was the idea but i have not spent time on that yet
[09:24] <Kilos> i think it could be a mission
[09:46] <magespawn> just a matter of getting the server done right
[09:46] <magespawn> but have never done that before so would need time to work though it to concentrate
[09:51] <Kilos> whew concentrating is bad for the head
[09:56] <magespawn> especially when things take some working out to get ir right
[09:56] <magespawn> ir=it
[09:56] <Kilos> lol
[09:57] <Kilos> i have 2 pcs that can ping each other over cable but dunno how to move or share stuff from one to the other
[09:57] <Kilos> or even see the other one
[09:58] <Kilos> and i dunno if tinycore is gonne let ubuntu write to it
[10:00] <inetpro> eish!
[10:00] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[10:01] <Kilos> hi inetpro whats eish
[10:01] <inetpro> sorry, been in to many meetings today
[10:01] <Kilos> ai
[10:01] <inetpro> oh and hi to everyone else
[10:01] <Kilos> haha
[10:06] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[10:07] <magespawn> meetings are sometimes needed
[10:08] <inetpro> and here goes another one
[10:08]  * inetpro bbl
[10:15] <Symmetria> ahahahaha
[10:15] <Symmetria> the .za government took the zimbabwean government properties
[10:15] <Symmetria> to give to the farmers who had their land stolen
[10:19] <tonberryE352> what?
[10:20] <Symmetria> heh the .za government attached all the zim capetown property
[10:21] <magespawn> you mean the zim properties here in za?
[10:21] <Symmetria> yeah
[10:21] <Symmetria> the ones owned by the zim government
[10:21] <magespawn> well i would not have seen that coking
[10:21] <Symmetria> like their property in kennilworth
[10:21] <magespawn> coking=coming
[10:22] <Symmetria> heh magespawn .za government didnt have an option, it happened under an SADC treaty
[10:22] <Symmetria> zimbabwe appealed to our supreme court and the supreme court ruled in the favour of the farmers
[10:22] <Symmetria> lol, zim is gonna be uber pissed :P but seriously, what are they gonna do, declare war on us? hahaha
[10:29] <magespawn> i thought they had already
[10:29] <magespawn> what with all the zim ppl living here
[12:25] <magespawn> later all
[12:35] <Kilos> hmm
[12:58] <zeref_work> hmmmmm
[13:42] <Kilos> hmmmm
[14:21] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:22] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[15:24] <superfly> *yawn*
[15:25] <Kilos> late nights in the big city\
[15:25] <Kilos> or you waiting for trai
[15:25] <Kilos> train
[15:25] <Kilos> last couch fell off
[15:25] <Kilos> coach
[15:26] <superfly> Something like that... Lots of stuff to do in the open source world
[15:26] <superfly> On the train, almost home in fact
[15:27] <superfly> Late nights working on stuff for the open source world
[15:28] <Kilos> ah, time for leave again
[15:28]  * nuvolari peeks in
[15:28] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[15:28] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[15:29] <nuvolari> jinne, dinge gaan net rof die week
[15:29] <Kilos> nog steeds
[15:29] <nuvolari> ek gesels nou-nou, ek gaan nou huistoe
[15:29] <nuvolari> ja, en by die werk oom
[15:29] <Kilos> k
[15:29] <nuvolari> darm nie die krag goed nie
[15:29] <nuvolari> dis oraait
[15:42] <smile> :p
[15:42] <Kilos> hi smile
[15:43] <smile> Kilos: would she hold me? :p
[15:43] <Kilos> who
[15:43] <smile> my next lover :p
[15:43] <Kilos> dont ask me
[15:44] <smile> why not? :)
[15:44] <Kilos> how must i know how modern chicks think
[15:44] <smile> Oh, experience? :D
[15:44] <Kilos> haha
[15:45] <smile> well I think she will :p
[15:46] <Kilos> the prob is not normally getting them to hold you but to let go again
[15:46] <smile> lol :D
[15:46] <smile> I don't think that's a problem ;)
[15:47] <Kilos> dont think about it, think about all you can still learn
[15:49] <smile> :)
[16:15]  * Squirm yawns
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:16] <Squirm> :P\
[16:16] <Kilos> your jaw must be tired already
[16:19] <Squirm> I'm tired
[16:19] <Kilos> have an early night Squirm
[16:20] <Kilos> then it will be easier waking before 7am
[16:20] <Squirm> no
[16:20] <Squirm> I refuse Kilos
[16:20] <Kilos> ok dont. yawn all day
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <Squirm> the problem lies in the getting to sleep ^^
[16:21] <Kilos> ah too many things running around in the head
[16:21] <Squirm> indeed
[16:21] <Kilos> not enough excersize
[16:22]  * Squirm looks at Kilos
[16:22] <Kilos> go for a run evenings
[16:22] <Kilos> you arent swimming now are you
[16:23] <Squirm> I've played squash, Saturday, Sunday, skipped Monday cause I my muscles were exhausted, played league squash on Tuesday, skipped yesterday cause only got back at 21:30 the night before from squash
[16:24] <Squirm> and just note that I played 5 games on all days, all games where I almost had to be dragged off of the court I was so tired
[16:25] <Squirm> I think I exercise a fair amount :)
[16:25] <Kilos> ah i didnt know that\
[16:25] <Squirm> and just in case you took that wrong, I mean no offence(not attacking you)
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:26] <Squirm> I'm drained
[16:26] <Kilos> you said nothing that could be taken wrong methinks
[16:27] <Squirm> am going home this weekend
[16:27] <Squirm> am going to do nothing this weekend
[16:27] <Kilos> thats nice. been away a while hey
[16:27] <Squirm> not really
[16:28] <Squirm> 3 weeks I think
[16:28] <Squirm> but for now, I think it's beer time ;)
[16:28] <Squirm> bbl
[16:29] <Squirm> (stuff like this is tiring)
[16:30] <Kilos> lol like drinking beer
[16:53] <smile> o.O
[16:53] <smile> are you drunk, Kilos ? :p
[16:54] <Kilos> i only drink tea coffee and water and colddrinks
[16:54] <Kilos> gave up alcohol when i grew up
[16:58] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <Symmetria> heh Im busy coding again
[16:59] <Symmetria> getting a bit annoyed with the code though
[17:46] <zeref> ffs
[17:48]  * smile embraces zeref :p
[17:48] <Kilos> hehe
[17:49] <nuvolari> hrr.  :P
[17:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <zeref> :(
[18:08] <smile> bye
[18:08] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:08] <smile> zeref: girls are very hot ;)
[18:08] <smile> maybe you can steal some warmth there :DD
[18:11] <zeref> hmmmm
[18:12] <zeref> brb, making phone call \o/
[18:39] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[02:44] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will take a look in a bit
[03:00] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ack
[04:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Extended Security Maintenance for Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) begins April 30 2021 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/13/extended-security-maintenance-for-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-begins-april-30-2021/ (by guiverc)
[05:16] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it looks good
[05:17] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Good deal - That then is what I will set tomorrow :D
[05:17] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, good deal good work as usual to everyone
[05:19] <Wild_Man> I am extra busy I got sba loan and bought a snack vending route to add to what I already have and it is in another State so I am very busy for now until I get it straightened out
[05:20] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: No devil's playgrounn there :D
[05:20] <Bashing-om> ground*
[05:22] <Wild_Man> Nope I just got home at 1 am this morning and in the morning I am leaving for San Antonio, I did not get done with the new route so as soon as I get home at the end of next week I have to go back out of State to finish up and it looks like I will have to do that route every two weeks for a while until I get it running properly
[05:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Lots of miles on that old pickup - the route going to pay for a new pickup ?
[05:25] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I hope so
[21:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 674 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue674 :D
[21:46] <kryten> Interesting.. I specifically put the Dave Jones PPA link from the permissions mailing list into the doc because only from there one can get to any more details (since it was all snipped out of the one cc'd to the news team ML) and someone decided to just flip them over again..
[21:48] <Bashing-om> kryten: Not guilty this time - gimme the link and I replace.
[21:48] <kryten> And the Security Updates list includes the 16.04 ESM notice again.
[21:49] <Bashing-om> kryten: Missed that ESM notice :(
[21:49] <kryten> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2021-March/001642.html
[21:54] <Bashing-om> kryten: ack
[22:07] <Bashing-om> UWN: 1st pass on proofread/edits completed.
[22:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Omer Akram: Snap interfaces from Android App developer perspective @ https://om26er.dev/2021/03/15/snap-interfaces-from-android-app-developer-perspective/
[23:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Alan Pope: Linux Application Summit: Call For Papers @ https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/las-cfp/


[07:08] <abogani> holstein: Sorry to bother you. I would want know if there a working combination with -rt/-realtime kernels and fglrx driver. For example Lucid -rt kernel (2.6.31) works with Lucid fglrx driver?
[22:37] <quadrispro> ScottL, naspro is available in Natty
[22:37] <quadrispro> then (new software in natty)...
[22:37] <quadrispro> jack-mixer
[22:40] <TheMuso> quadrispro: Thanks for your help re rtkit.
[22:41] <quadrispro> TheMuso, ehy! you're welcome!
[22:42] <quadrispro> TheMuso, how are you? Do you have other good things for Debian?
[22:43] <TheMuso> quadrispro: Yes, but on other fronts, mostly a11y. Being frozen atm is a slight pain however.
[22:43] <quadrispro> ah ok
[22:44] <quadrispro> have you had a look at new JACK stuff uploaded?
[22:53] <TheMuso> quadrispro: Do you mean jack clients, or the jack servers themselves?
[22:54] <quadrispro> JACK toys (-mixer,-keyboard)
[22:54] <quadrispro> and more are coming
[22:54] <TheMuso> Right, no I haven't looked.
[22:55] <TheMuso> SOmewhat busy with more important audio matters, and unity a11y for this cycle.
[22:57] <quadrispro> ah yes, I understand
[23:19] <ScottL> quadrispro, awesome!  thanks


[00:05] <OerHeks> valorie, it was fixed in 229-4 16.10 already is on 231 http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3094-1/
[00:05] <synne> valorie, try finding out from Ubuntu's hard working sole systemd maintainer, Martin Pitt ("pitti") in #systemd :-)
[00:05] <valorie> good to hear, OerHeks
[00:06] <valorie> I know who pitti is.....
[00:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: he even has a fan club <3
[00:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: https://launchpad.net/~we-love-pitti
[00:20] <tsimonq2> valorie: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/231-9
[04:14] <ngaio> I'm getting a blank (black) screen when trying to run the live USB on both today's daily image and beta 2. There is no cursor. My hardware is a Lenovo W520 set to run the discrete graphics only (Nvidia Quadro 1000M), which has always worked with all previous releases.
[08:28] <foormea> hi! can i install kubuntu+1 from the live ubuntu+1 boot iso, without installing the standard ubuntu?
[08:28] <foormea> i mean i could install ubutnu+1 then install kubuntu-desktop metapackage, but i'd like to install kubuntu directly
[08:31] <foormea> ah ok nevermind me just found the netinst links :)
[09:27] <MagicMark> Hello! Update-manager crashes and I'm sent to a page https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1623296 but there's nothing there, it's a Xubuntu 16.10, the crash happens on the live image as well?
[17:09] <ngaio> I'm getting a blank (black) screen when trying to run the live USB on both today's daily image and beta 2. There is no cursor. My hardware is a Lenovo W520 set to run the discrete graphics only (Nvidia Quadro 1000M). This hardware has always worked with all previous releases.
[17:10] <ngaio> nothing in .xsession-errors is helpful
[17:11] <ngaio> logging via the console and running startx does start x, but there is absolutely nothing on the desktop, e.g. no unity
[18:37] <Fritigern> Could someone try and execute mp3gain from a terminal and tell me if it works for you? I need to know if only my PC is going weird stuff or if it affects others too.
[23:06] <Fritigern> Could someone try and execute mp3gain from a terminal and tell me if it works for you? I need to know if only my PC is going weird stuff or if it affects others too.


[12:28] <jbicha> darkxst: ricotz: do you anticipate a problem with me backporting gnome-software 3.24 from artful to the zesty gnome3-staging ppa?
[13:53] <InventorTechie> Can someone remind me which is the name of a GUI tool for being able to delete / manage UEFI instances ?