[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, no not yet, and so ill need windows also for programming? do you agree with starting with python? i mostly want to be able to program games really, also want to do animations, so want to do blender, and also i think ill get flash... which another reason i wasnt going to do linux is because if im working in flash, that only works in windows, but i guess crossover works it, but im not going to pay money for crossover...
[10:05] <HappyFool> Chislon: python is a very good first programming language
[10:05] <psychonate> crimsun, should I reload the alsa module then after checking to make sure I have unloaded the OSS module?
[10:06] <crimsun> psychonate: the safest bet is to unload all sound modules, then reload only the alsa driver
[10:06] <crimsun> psychonate: then test with aplay
[10:06] <HappyFool> Chislon: there is a good introductory book calling 'thinking like a computer scientist in python'
[10:06] <psychonate> crimsun, OK, that sounds plausible
[10:06] <HappyFool> Chislon: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[10:06] <psychonate> crimsun, thanks for your help btw
[10:07] <crimsun> HappyFool: what an odd concept :)
[10:07] <psychonate> I will try that out tomorrow
[10:07] <Chislon> HappyFool, thank you
[10:07] <psychonate> goodnight
[10:07] <crimsun> HappyFool: we computer scientists try not to think in specific languages
[10:07] <deadcat> anyone here using ipw2100? i want to know what i need to kismet.
[10:07] <HappyFool> Chislon: it's worth noting that ubuntu has python already installed, and that ubuntu (or at least mark shuttleworth) has a pro-python bias
[10:07] <chohmann> Chilson: I just read an article about different "emualtors" for Linux. One was an variation of the Wine emulator with DirectX support built in specifically for the purposes of playing windows games in Linux. I forget the name of it but I'm sure someone will refresh my memory
[10:07] <HappyFool> crimsun: yeah, i guess it's a silly title ;)
[10:08] <HappyFool> crimsun: ah, sorry, the title is: "How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python"
[10:08] <teebones> chohmann, cedega
[10:08] <sasquatc4> Ive read through the wiki and forumposts, but I still cant get the ati drivers to work on my ati mobility chipset, just wondering if anyone has had any success on the mobile platforms yet
[10:08] <chohmann> teebones: right you are! :)
[10:08] <Chislon> HappyFool, thats kool, though i know nothing about it or what that means.... that looks like its just techinical stuff which i should read, but are there tutorials that actually take you through starting to do programs and stuff like actual ones rather hten just explaining stuff?
[10:09] <HappyFool> Chislon: go to the first example in http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/chap01.htm
[10:09] <Chislon> heh... sorry
[10:10] <Chislon> ok so i need and want linux right? so how do i make sure it all works using this live cd... and will linux boot up faster?
[10:10] <teebones> i3dmaster, wb ;)
[10:11] <i3dmaster> teebones: hi
[10:11] <Chislon> is there anything that windows does that linux cant? or like the way the desktop is, like will i be able to make it all work the same?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: the live cd should have enough to get by with, i guess. not sure what editor it comes with
[10:11] <crimsun> well, I'm sure you could emulate the BSOD if you really wanted to, Chislon
[10:11] <reka> hehe
[10:12] <teebones> nagesh, wb ;)
[10:12] <Chislon> whats the BSOD
[10:12] <HappyFool> Chislon: it's not identical, but you shouldn't have any problems with ubuntu's desktop
[10:12] <teebones> Blue screen of death
[10:12] <teebones> (BSOD)
[10:12] <Chislon> HappyFool, not sure what you mean, so i dont wnat to fully install ubuntu?
[10:13] <psychonate> lol
[10:13] <HappyFool> Chislon: you mentioned the live cd
[10:13] <i3dmaster> Chislon: I've been fully using ubuntu for a year, no windows at all and I don't find anything I cannot do
[10:13] <Chislon> oh right, and i dont see the bsod much in windows, so if i saw it in linux that would be a huge mark down
[10:13] <HappyFool> Chislon: the live cd is a 'don't install' option
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: to be honest, if you goal is to learn python, maybe you should focus on that. python works perfectly well on windows
[10:14] <teebones> yep
[10:14] <teebones> very nicely
[10:14] <Chislon> i3dmaster, kool, though you cant run some games ill want to be able to play of course... though im very much for linux... i like the idea of it and everything, but still need windows for games at the least ;), though its kool that linux can run WoW, but i dont play that
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: and most of the more popular editors (emacs/vim/what have you) work on windows too
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, but i was told that they are not free in windows
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: and the python games framework (pygame) works on both windows / linux
[10:15] <HappyFool> Chislon: windows is non-free. python is free
[10:15] <i3dmaster> Chislon: I don't play game that much already. for game, I have PS2
[10:15] <teebones> *giggles*
[10:15] <Chislon> i was told that most of the programs i would need to do python are nonfree, like the editors and so on
[10:15] <HappyFool> hmm
[10:16] <HappyFool> emacs is free ;)
[10:16] <Chislon> i have no problem with learning and using linux, but one reason i wasnt going to was to focus on python
[10:16] <teebones> vim too
[10:16] <teebones> ;)
[10:16] <HappyFool> i think 'pythonwin', which is a reasonable editor, is free
[10:16] <i3dmaster> Chislon: wrong, all you need is VI/VIM. not those IDE tools..
[10:16] <Chislon> well i dotn know what any of it  means
[10:16] <crimsun> Chislon: python is platform-independent. Sure, it's nice to develop Python apps on a Free OS, but it's not required.
[10:16] <Chislon> is there an advantage, or is it easier, or better or something to use linux?
[10:17] <Chislon> the point wasnt that the os is free, but that the software i would need to properly program in python isnt free
[10:17] <HappyFool> Chislon: if nothing else, by developing on both systems, you will gain a greater understanding of each
[10:17] <Chislon> i already have windows, but i dont ahve the money to pay for software
[10:17] <teebones> Chislon, well.. there are more tools (ide's and such ) for linux.
[10:17] <Chislon> so then it is easier in some senses on linux?
[10:18] <i3dmaster> Chislon: in all senses...
[10:18] <Chislon> im not really sure how useful knowing how to use linux will be for me, though it could end a big deal if i really get into it...
[10:18] <Chislon> i3dmaster, why in all senses?
[10:18] <teebones> Chislon, in sort of a sense.. yeah it does
[10:18] <HappyFool> python is part and parcel of many linux distributions. whether or not that makes it easier *shrug*
[10:18] <Chislon> teebones, ok thank you
[10:19] <Chislon> so do i need to spend time learning linux before i move into python?
[10:19] <Chislon> i suppose im not really in a rush
[10:19] <popey> ops, semiha^ is a spamming bot, can someone remove please?
[10:19] <i3dmaster> Chislon: once you get use the style of life in Linux, you don't want to go back to a stupid $MS win
[10:19] <teebones> Chislon, for plain python.. no. Though it may come in handy to know linux too.. (commands and such)
[10:20] <HappyFool> Chislon: it might take a little while to get used to the ubuntu desktop, and to setup your hardware, but it's supposed to be easy ;)
[10:20] <Chislon> i3dmaster, i dunno, but the main reason for keeping windows for me, as far as i can tell, is games, i already use thunderbird/firefox/openoffice/gimp/blender on windows.... oh the other reason was for studio mx as i am probably going to get that, unless there is a good animation and game thingy kinda like flash for linux?
[10:20] <Chislon> HappyFool, what exactly are you saying is supposed to be easy?
[10:21] <HappyFool> ubuntu linux is supposed to be easy
[10:21] <Chislon> teebones, i didn tmean like the acutal learning of python would be easier, but do i need to learn linux first in order to be able to effectivly learn python in the sense of running the software and stuff to do it in
[10:21] <teebones> Chislon, i play windows games with cedega (cvs) and wine with DX9 support added
[10:21] <HappyFool> the easiness is usually dependent on how exotic your hardware is
[10:21] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh ok..
[10:21] <i3dmaster> Chislon: well.. i think still lots of guys like you, leave a win for game
[10:22] <Chislon> teebones, but the games run better in windows, plus im not going to pay for cedega, and whats cvs mean
[10:22] <shanon> Chislon: linux/Unix is a programmers OS. They alows you to see what is happening, make changes and they provide a lot of tools to control your system or programs
[10:22] <Kyynara> where would i be able to get some more sources for my sources.list?
[10:22] <teebones> Chislon, cedega = free
[10:22] <i3dmaster> Chislon: I am sort of thinking that playing games in PC is kind of wasting of time.
[10:22] <Chislon> isnt cedega winex which has a subscription fee?
[10:23] <Chislon> i3dmaster, im ok with that, but you should talk to chodapp in python, as he was saying the same thing ot me
[10:23] <shanon> Chislon: I use linux / solaris for everything and use Windows a "games machine" and boot into it when I want to play a game
[10:23] <teebones> Chislon, there are two versions of it. The free and the non-free. Cedega = wineX
[10:23] <crimsun> popey: thanks.
[10:23] <popey> np
[10:23] <reka> Kyynara: there's a sample one on ubuntuguide.org  i'd stick to just main, universe and multiverse though.  marillat and backports can be sketchy.
[10:24] <Chislon> i dont really see how that arguement makes any sense, but i also dont see why people get offended about the software that people have or use, or why they think they have to impart on others that how they do things is right, i am of course not above this, we all do such things, but i think perhaps we could all also agree its a bit silly?
[10:24] <i3dmaster> teebones: ah ok. I did not know that
[10:24] <Chislon> teebones, how does the free one differe from nonefree
[10:24] <shanon> Who is getting offended ?
[10:24] <Chislon> shanon, ok kool... what do you do with solaris, and is solaris unix? or ?
[10:24] <i3dmaster> teebones: so Cedega or winx is something for gaming under linux?
[10:24] <|Ivanch0|> hi sb knows how to refresh mi /dev whitout reboot?
[10:24] <kpeterson> I am trying to get .aac support to work, but I do not see gstreamer0.8-faad in the repositories, even having added hoary-extras.  any ideas?
[10:25] <deadcat> what do i need to get ipw2100 to kismet?
[10:25] <teebones> i3dmaster, yeas
[10:25] <teebones> err
[10:25] <teebones> yes
[10:25] <crimsun> |Ivanch0|: just restart hotplug after restarting udev
[10:25] <Kyynara> reka: but when I tried building today, it started off fine, but then it started putting about 12 pages worth of errors on me. So I would like to have more sources in my sources.list to make sure I have all the needed libraries.
[10:25] <Chislon> shanon, i dunno probably no one here, its probably me doing it, so sorry everyone
[10:25] <i3dmaster> teebones: ok... base on what? wine?
[10:25] <shanon> Chislon: Solaris is Unix. I wont' go into the differences in a linux channel as I don't want to make a big discussion out of it
[10:25] <HappyFool> Chislon: you can probably find more about the free software philosophy at www.fsf.org
[10:25] <teebones> yep
[10:25] <|Ivanch0|> crimsun,  how?
[10:25] <reka> Kyynara: what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:25] <Chislon> shanon, no problem, adn thank you
[10:25] <i3dmaster> teebones: ahh... no wonder. thanks.
[10:25] <crimsun> |Ivanch0|: sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart && sudo invoke-rc.d hotplug restart
[10:26] <Chislon> HappyFool, i think i read that, free as in freedom of speech, right, not neccesarily free in price
[10:26] <Kyynara> I'm trying to install a linux version of action quake2 :)
[10:26] <HappyFool> Chislon: something like that
[10:26] <|Ivanch0|> ok thnks a lot crimsun ;)
[10:26] <Chislon> having full control over ur stuff, ability to make it what you want and such
[10:26] <reka> Kyynara: without seeing the errors, i'd guess you haven't installed build-essential.
[10:26] <reka> which iirc, is in universe?
[10:26] <teebones> Chislon, http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php
[10:27] <HappyFool> reka: no, main. and it's on the cd
[10:27] <reka> HappyFool: thanks
[10:27] <Chislon> one thing is that this doesnt look as sleek as windows, also im wondering if i can change like the load in screen and the color of the bars and stuff, id rather have a green then brown
[10:28] <HappyFool> Chislon: look under system -> preferences -> themes
[10:28] <Kyynara> reka: I hadn't :)
[10:28] <Chislon> teebones, thank you... what is that? its alot to read... heh heh
[10:28] <Kyynara> thanks
[10:28] <reka> Chislon: :-) you'll sone find out that linux desktop customisability is *much* better than windows.
[10:28] <crimsun> Chislon: if you're concerned with sleekness, take a look at themes.freshmeat.net
[10:28] <reka> *sson
[10:28] <reka> *soon
[10:28] <Chislon> HappyFool, thanks, will that allow me to change the default ubuntu log in screen adn such
[10:29] <HappyFool> chislon: you can always try the kde desktop instead
[10:29] <Chislon> reka, im sure your right
[10:29] <Chislon> crimsun, ok thank you
[10:29] <HappyFool> Chislon: no, that's system -> administration -> login screen setup
[10:29] <teebones> Chislon, access to the cvs download of cedega ;-)
[10:29] <Chislon> HappyFool, so much to figure out, ill have to figure out the differences, i take it this is gnome im on now?
[10:29] <Chislon> whats cvs mean
[10:29] <HappyFool> Chislon: the 'standard' ubuntu desktop is gnome, so probably yes
[10:30] <Chislon> teebones oh ok thanks, what is the difference then between that and the pay one, also ... at winehq.org, there database doesnt seem very informative, is there a better list with cedega or someine?
[10:30] <i3dmaster> Chislon: is common version control system management tool
[10:30] <HappyFool> concurrent, i think, not common
[10:31] <Chislon> i need to get going to bed, just wanted to see if this works, the printer wouldnt work, but the printer is connected to another comptuer on the wireless network, so thats probably just a set up thing right? what else should or do i need to check to see if ubuntu works right on my hardware, im using a hp pavilion dv1000 laptop
[10:31] <i3dmaster> HappyFool: ok, good. not remember the full name, but it just a version cotrol stuff
[10:31] <teebones> Chislon, info on cvs : http://www.gnu.org/software/cvs/#TOCintroduction
[10:31] <HappyFool> i3dmaster: fair enough
[10:31] <Chislon> i3dmaster, ok thank you, and sorry for being a jerk earlier about the software stuff
[10:31] <teebones> Chislon, http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
[10:32] <HappyFool> Chislon: try googling for linux and your laptop model, or ubutun and your laptop model
[10:32] <Chislon> teebones, thank you.... so much to figure out! it will take a long time heh
[10:32] <i3dmaster> Chislon: np. we'r all learning
[10:32] <HappyFool> Chislon: if the printer is connected elsewhere, you'll need to setup samba; that shouldn't be too hard if you're on a home network
[10:32] <Chislon> HappyFool, i went to something like linux laptop and it basically said that slackware and fedora 3 work, someone sent me a link in python room to some guy who had a 1066 and it worked for him but he had to do a bunch of stuff i have no idea about and cant do...
[10:32] <Chislon> i3dmaster, thank you
[10:33] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok kool
[10:33] <Chislon> i dont print much anyways
[10:33] <kimo> I see LVM starting before entering runlevel 2, how do I stop that!
[10:34] <i3dmaster> Chislon: yw
[10:34] <Chislon> one thing i dont like is that in the browser when i click in the url it doesnt highlight it all, can i make it do that?
[10:34] <Mr_Smiley> yes
[10:34] <Chislon> i dont need to know how right now if i can, just wondering, since im supposed to be able to customize everything?
[10:34] <Chislon> ok kool
[10:34] <reka> Chislon: type about:config
[10:34] <reka> in the url bar
[10:34] <Chislon> ok thank you
[10:35] <teebones> and a world of options will await you :)
[10:35] <reka> then search for "selecstAll"
[10:35] <Chislon> the google page looks a bit awkward as compared to windows..?
[10:35] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[10:35] <Chislon> oh ok thanks, im not going to do that now since this is just the livecd
[10:35] <reka> and set it to true
[10:35] <HappyFool> the google page looks different ?
[10:35] <jnoreiko> anyone managed to get OOo2 beta running on Warty?
[10:35] <teebones> jnoreiko, upgrade to hoary ;-)
[10:36] <Kyynara> reka: It still gives me the same errors...
[10:36] <Kyynara> http://pastebin.com/294973
[10:36] <Kpjas> Hi what should I do that my Firefox could enter extensions (it's 1.0.4 anyway as About box says) ?
[10:36] <Kyynara> I don't know if that will help you, but I'll show it anyways
[10:36] <Chislon> like its the same page, but just looks like its way older or something, if u get what i mean, i guess its just the difference in os.. but it doesnt look as nice as it does in windows, but ... the os shouldnt do that should it, i mean i dunno, the page isnt as smooth as it is in windows though
[10:36] <jnoreiko> teebones, waiting for the CDs in the post :)
[10:36] <teebones> ok.
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> Kpjas: about:config - set app.version to true
[10:37] <Chislon> i think its the way the text is
[10:37] <jnoreiko> I'd try upgrading via the net, but my connection breaks sometimes, i'm worried that could break everything
[10:37] <Chislon> something about the text is different
[10:37] <HappyFool> Chislon: maybe it's a font thing. i haven't noticed
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> lol i mean 1.0.4
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> sorry
[10:37] <Chislon> blockierish maybe
[10:37] <Kpjas> OK Mr_Smiley thnx
[10:37] <HappyFool> Chislon: i think it's tweakable
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> no problem
[10:38] <Mr_Smiley> its probably a font thing
[10:38] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: i could be wrong, but i think apt downloads everything first, and *then* does the upgrade
[10:38] <reka> Kyynara: is there a readme or website for the program?
[10:38] <Jormundgand> I am pleased with myself, for I have written a HOWTO.
[10:38] <teebones_away> HappyFool, right you are :-)
[10:38] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[10:38] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok kool
[10:39] <egg|n00b> hi
[10:39] <Chislon> does linux boot up alot faster than windows?
[10:39] <Mr_Smiley> greetings
[10:39] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: and apt can resume downloads. apt really rocks! (says someone who also uses yum)
[10:39] <reka> Jormundgand: nice.  what about?
[10:39] <egg|n00b> say cheeeese
[10:39] <teebones_away> Chislon, depends on your configuration
[10:39] <HappyFool> Chislon: no
[10:39] <jnoreiko> not a lot faster... but a bit faster
[10:39] <Jormundgand> reka: Putting the Firefox logo back into the About box.
[10:39] <Chislon> well with mine does it go faster?
[10:39] <crimsun> egg|n00b: stay on topic, please.
[10:39] <Chislon> ;)
[10:39] <jnoreiko> plus, once it's booted, it's ready
[10:39] <egg|n00b> ...
[10:39] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh
[10:39] <jnoreiko> windows shows you the desktop then spends ages hourglassing
[10:39] <Chislon> if it takes up so much less space why isnt it alot faster
[10:40] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: fair enough
[10:40] <teebones_away> HappyFool, it can be much faster at boot
[10:40] <reka> Chislon: in my experience, no.
[10:40] <Kyynara> reka: http://www.r1ch.net/forum/index.php?topic=440.0
[10:40] <jnoreiko> at least with ubuntu once you can see the desktop, you know you're ready to go
[10:40] <Kyynara> that's the closest it get's
[10:40] <HappyFool> teebones_away: mine isn't, but actually i don't care ;) it's fast enough
[10:40] <teebones_away> hehehe
[10:40] <teebones_away> ;)
[10:41] <HappyFool> teebones_away: though at work with the virus checker *shudder* login takes forever on windows
[10:41] <Chislon> ok kool
[10:41] <teebones_away> *giggles*
[10:41] <Chislon> also someone said they got ubuntu to work on my laptop but still has to check on wifi, card reader), what does that mean?
[10:42] <kvidell> My goodness
[10:42] <kvidell> I'm enjoying a wine imported from New Zealand
[10:42] <kvidell> It's spectacular.
[10:42] <HappyFool> wifi is wireless networking. i imagine that the card reader is a security device of some sort (?)
[10:42] <kimo> I see LVM starting before entering runlevel 2, how do I stop that!
[10:42] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  meant "very good"
[10:42] <kvidell> It's a Sauvignon Blanc
[10:42] <Chislon> i just heard a weird noise...?
[10:43] <Chislon> egg|n00b, sorry i must have missed it, not sure what ur reafering to?
[10:43] <reka> Kyynara: hmm.  a little too cryptic for my feeble mind :-(  try asking crimsun.  it actually looks like something to do with a sound module or something and he seems to know a bit about those.
[10:43] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  nothing is useless in /etc
[10:43] <tsw> which conf file has screensaver options?
[10:43] <Chislon> what is /etc
[10:43] <HappyFool> kimo: maybe you can disable the /etc/init.d/lvm script ?
[10:43] <Chislon> oh and one article the guy suggests ubuntu warty, is that just an older version so this one is better?
[10:43] <tsw> Chislon: /etc holds almost all configuration files
[10:43] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  keep it simple
[10:43] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  KISS rule
[10:44] <HappyFool> Chislon: yeah, i'd go with hoary.
[10:44] <crimsun> kimo: it's fine if lvm runs. If you don't have lvm configured, it just does nothing.
[10:44] <kimo> HappyFool: disable, as in rename/delete it ?
[10:44] <Chislon> im confused now... what am i keeping simple, what is KISS, why are we talking about /etc
[10:44] <kimo> crimsun: yeah, I am worried about boot time
[10:44] <HappyFool> kimo: i defer to crimsun's advice ;)
[10:44] <HappyFool> Chislon: /etc is just a directory which contains config files
[10:44] <Chislon> what was the noise i heard anyone? was it my name being said in here when im not on this screen?
[10:44] <egg|n00b> KISS != kiss @@
[10:44] <ajmitch> kimo: if LVM is not used, the script will exit very quickly
[10:44] <tsw> kimo: you can remove symlinks from /etc/rc2.d/ (but dont remove anything you dont know for shure :)
[10:45] <deadcat> anyone using ipw2100? i cant get kismet to work
[10:45] <kimo> tsw: but this is before rc2, this is init, how do I disable that! No symlinks here
[10:46] <giggsey> Im am in root, but when i try to create a new user using the user and groups it just has the thing loading for a bit, and then does nothing
[10:46] <tsw> kimo: then its in /etc/rcS.d/
[10:46] <HappyFool> Kyynara: at a guess either the code has a bug, or you're missing some header files or something
[10:46] <crimsun> Kyynara: what issue are you having, the mmap /dev/dsp one?
[10:46] <kimo> tsw: thnx :)
[10:46] <tsw> kimo: read the readme file in there
[10:46] <Kyynara> It might be that I'm missing something...
[10:47] <Kyynara> as I only installed ubunta a couple of days ago
[10:47] <deadcat> somebody help me out please.
[10:47] <Kyynara> *ubuntu :)
[10:47] <HappyFool> Kyynara: doesn't the app come with a 'configure' script ?
[10:47] <giggsey> how do i create a new user using shell
[10:47] <crimsun> deadcat: does your wireless work at all?
[10:47] <Mr_Smiley> useradd
[10:47] <egg|24-7> useradd?
[10:47] <giggsey> kk
[10:47] <egg|24-7> adduser?
[10:47] <deadcat> crimsun: ya
[10:47] <egg|24-7> I win
[10:47] <crimsun> adduser is the preferred wrapper
[10:48] <egg|24-7> anyway
[10:48] <egg|24-7> ^____^
[10:48] <crimsun> deadcat: sounds like you have a config issue with kismet then
[10:48] <egg|24-7> I am a n00b
[10:48] <Kyynara> HappyFool: it comes with a makefile, if that's what you are referring to?
[10:48] <deadcat> crimsun: FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'ipw2100' in source 'ipw2100,eth1,centrino'
[10:48] <HappyFool> Kyynara: no, a file called 'configure'
[10:48] <giggsey> thx all
[10:48] <Kyynara> nope
[10:49] <deadcat> crimsun: the card can go monitor mode too. just using default 2.6.10-5 ipw2100 right?
[10:49] <HappyFool> Kyynara: ah. then you need to read the docs to find out what libraries need to be installed for the compile
[10:49] <crimsun> deadcat: I'm not familiar with kismet's interface
[10:49] <kimo> does any semi/official kernel has SWSUSP2 ?
[10:49] <Chislon> what does adding suspend to ram and suspend to disk mean
[10:49] <HappyFool> Kyynara: and then install -dev packages for those libraries
[10:50] <HappyFool> Kyynara: but it should've failed when trying to include files not present
[10:51] <Chislon> what is cpu scaling or cpu frequency scaling?
[10:51] <Chislon>  In common with several other HP notebooks, noapic is needed at boot-up to prevent random freezes.?? what is this about
[10:51] <Kyynara> HappyFool: it did fail, or so I think atleast...
[10:52] <HappyFool> Kyynara: and you commented out the #include line ? ;)
[10:53] <HappyFool> Chislon: you can tweak boot options by editing a file called /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:53] <HappyFool> Chislon: presumably that is what the refers to
[10:53] <mrhicago_> why am i not supposed to install breezy
[10:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> has anyone seen kamping_kaiser lately?
[10:53] <kimo> mrhicago_: unstable :)
[10:53] <HappyFool> cos it's bleeding edge
[10:53] <mrhicago_> ok
[10:54] <mrhicago_> im getting hoary then
[10:54] <johan_> is there a fortran version for 64 in ubuntu
[10:54] <crimsun> g77
[10:54] <kimo> does ubuntu kernel, really not have a SPLASH image ? (sorry too much time with suse:) )
[10:54] <candyban> Hi guys ... erm ... help? ... fsck.jfs / => "The current device is:  /" ... "Superblock is corrupt and cannot be repaired since both primary and secondary copies are corrupt."
[10:55] <candyban> I hope the error is more scary than what I think it means ...
[10:55] <HappyFool> that sounds extraordinarily bad
[10:55] <crimsun> kimo: that's correct. The ideal solution in the developers' eyes is to move the splash into userspace, thereby avoiding kernel bloat.
[10:56] <Chislon> HappyFool, but i dont know how to do that so if thats a problem how do i fix it?
[10:56] <kimo> crimsun: I see a splash kernel boot param! any idea what that does
[10:56] <HappyFool> Chislon: how about don't worry about it until you get random freezes ;)
[10:56] <candyban> "man fsck.jfs" => "man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system" because : "/dev/hda3 on / type jfs (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)"
[10:57] <mrhicago_> so transcode is included on install cd
[10:57] <HappyFool> candyban: did you have a power failure or something ?
[10:57] <candyban> This is/was my first JFS filesystem ...
[10:57] <mrhicago_> that would be slick
[10:57] <Chislon> HappyFool, i dunno, and why dont i want FreeBSD
[10:57] <Chislon> or soemthing like that
[10:57] <candyban> HappyFool: not that I know ...  10:57:18 up 6 days, 19:31,  3 users,  load average: 0.12, 0.20, 0.14
[10:58] <HappyFool> Chislon: maybe you do ;) i've never used freebsd
[10:58] <egg|24-7> freebsd? ^_^ good oh
[10:58] <egg|24-7> clean
[10:58] <egg|24-7> fast
[10:58] <egg|24-7> self-style
[10:58] <candyban> HappyFool: Perhaps I should start migrating my home folders on another partition?
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> i say go with ubuntu you can't go wrong
[10:59] <johan_> anyone uses Fortran
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats a good p2p program for mp3's and stuff
[10:59] <Chislon> well but this is what i want for programming rihgt?
[10:59] <HappyFool> candyban: my inexpert impression is that your root partition is screwed
[10:59] <johan_> overnet no gui is great
[10:59] <HappyFool> candyban: so, yes ;)
[11:00] <Chislon> how do i know if i have a WEP ?
[11:00] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: amule, emule, appolon
[11:00] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> which one is a good one i'm new to linux
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> still lol
[11:01] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: install amule
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> like what would you recommend for a newb
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you apt-get it>'
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?
[11:01] <kimo> yep
[11:01] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: apt-cache search p2p
[11:01] <kimo> :)
[11:02] <candyban> When I installed Ubuntu, I came in here asking if JFS was stable or not ... don't remember who told me but they assured me it was as stable/robust as the other filesystems
[11:02] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[11:02] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: or use synaptic
[11:02] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: just search for p2p
[11:02] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what i was just gonna do ^_^
[11:02] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> synaptic rocks!
[11:02] <candyban> Perhaps I should stick to XFS instead
[11:03] <HappyFool> how about dear old ext3 ?
[11:03] <mrhicago_> just hope it works all right on my laptop
[11:03] <mrhicago_> what version of the kernel does it use
[11:03] <HappyFool> 2.6.10
[11:04] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> where is the sources.list located?
[11:04] <kimo> Anyone know how to start suspend, so I test if it works here!
[11:04] <HappyFool> /etc/apt
[11:04] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[11:04] <mbd> can i change to kde ?
[11:04] <kimo> mbd: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <candyban> Hmmz ... it seems that it only happened like a couple of minutes ago ...
[11:05] <kimo> Anyone know how to start suspend, so I test if it works here!
[11:06] <Chislon> how do i know if i have WEP please?
[11:06] <kimo> Chislon: ask your network admin
[11:06] <chaitatp> hello world
[11:06] <chaitatp> about the sources.list
[11:06] <chaitatp> at the 'deb-src'
[11:06] <egg|24-7> hello lusers
[11:07] <chaitatp> is it for fetching source codes?
[11:07] <kimo> chaitatp: if u ask it too
[11:07] <Chislon> whose that lol
[11:07] <Chislon> kimo
[11:07] <mrhicago_> so it should not have any probs with my external hdd and dvd burner then
[11:07] <egg|24-7> ji
[11:07] <mbd> kimo : thanks for help it's about 300 Mega
[11:08] <kimo> mbd: kde is big :) (not that big though!)
[11:08] <chaitatp> kimo, so if i don't want software's souce codes, i just comment that line?
[11:08] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats wrong with the backports servers?
[11:08] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> my syn gave me like a shitload of errors regarding backports servers
[11:09] <kimo> chaitatp: yeah
[11:09] <chaitatp> kimo, GOOD
[11:09] <chaitatp> kimo, thank you
[11:10] <kimo> Anyone know how to start suspend, so I test if it works here!
[11:10] <Hajuu> Hey there! Is there a way I can get apache2 to give me a slightly more... diagnostic display when I start it?
[11:13] <johan_> can you play mp3 and video with ubuntu and what package do i need
[11:13] <reka> johan_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Restrictedformats
[11:13] <megabit> Hi can you help me? I wqant to install Kde 3.3 but I dont know what must I write to apt-get?
[11:13] <johan_> thanks
[11:13] <Hajuu> johan_:  Read the FAQ.. It reveals all.
[11:14] <reka> megabit: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <tsw> any idea where to find screensaver options file?
[11:14] <HappyFool> Hajuu: take a look in the logfiles (/var/log/apache ?), or look at the docs. I think there're options to make apache more verbose, and a foreground mode
[11:15] <xukun> anyone now where I can find themes for xfce?
[11:15] <Hajuu> heh the docs for apache2 aren't very helpful.. and theres no docs for apachectl
[11:15] <Hajuu> thus why I asked
[11:15] <candyban> doing an fsck on / (while mounted) ... should be fun ...
[11:15] <__Rob> hey all, i just installed ubuntu and the login screen is displaying at a rather bizarre and unreadable resolution.. how can i change this so i can see what i'm doing and log in?
[11:16] <reka> xukun: JFGI http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/964/
[11:16] <mindmedic> __Rob: try "Ctrl" + "alt" + "Numpad+"
[11:17] <mindmedic> to switch through available resolutions
[11:17] <Hajuu> Woah!
[11:17] <Hajuu> I didn't know about that!
[11:17] <Hajuu> how funky
[11:17] <Hajuu> heh
[11:17] <mindmedic> __Rob, which graphics card do you own?
[11:17] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats the command to run clamav?
[11:17] <__Rob> mimdmedic: i have a laptop with no numpad
[11:17] <candyban> Heh ... it fixed the partition ...
[11:17] <__Rob> i'm running in a virtual machine right now
[11:17] <mindmedic> you should have an "fn" key to emulate the numpad
[11:18] <candyban> I hope I didn't loose too much data (everything is still running, so I guess that's good
[11:18] <mindmedic> __Rob, vm?
[11:18] <HappyFool> Hajuu: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/programs/httpd.html  -- try the -X option
[11:18] <HappyFool> candyban: so it's sorted?
[11:18] <candyban> HappyFool: I hope so ... I remounted / in rw and it didn't complain anymore
[11:19] <__Rob> mindmedic: vpc7.. none of the resolutions are working
[11:19] <mindmedic> i don't know if ubuntu runs with that sorry...
[11:20] <mindmedic> there are often problems (and workarounds) for running various distros in pc emulators
[11:20] <candyban> HappyFool: I first ran an fsck.jfs -n -v /dev/hda3 ... then I ran fsck.jfs -f -v /dev/hda3 (and it cleaned/fixed some stuff)
[11:20] <candyban> HappyFool: dunno what will happen if I reboot
[11:20] <HappyFool> candyban: backup first
[11:20] <HappyFool> ;)
[11:20] <DXT> I'm getting "Authorization Required" errors with the backports repo when trying to apt-get update, what do I need to do?
[11:21] <reka> DXT: sudo apt-get update
[11:21] <mindmedic> do you run ubuntu in a window, or fullscreen?
[11:21] <candyban> HappyFool: no more reboots for me ... uptimes of "forever" :)
[11:21] <megabit> reka: But I have got a bit of link in sources.list. Can you write me witch deb I must here write. (sorry I am from czech republic and I dont know english so much)
[11:21] <DXT> reka: Yeah, I get the error when I do just that..
[11:22] <reka> DXT: then it's probably a problem with the backports server.  try a mirror
[11:22] <HappyFool> DXT: try browing the backports url with a web-browser to check if you get the same error
[11:22] <DXT> ok
[11:22] <__Rob> mindmedic: every other distro (and win xp) has been fine -- it emulates a S3 trio 4mb card
[11:22] <kimo> how do I start suspend!! in kde?
[11:23] <HappyFool> kimo: is there no 'hibernate' or similar option when you logout ?
[11:23] <Hajuu> start suspend?
[11:24] <Hajuu> oh
[11:24] <kimo> Hajuu: is this the command
[11:24] <kimo> HappyFool: nope
[11:24] <Hajuu> suspend always creeped me out.
[11:24] <Chislon> how come my clock is way off?
[11:24] <reka> megabit: what happens when you do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <kimo> anyone knows the command to start suspend
[11:24] <Hajuu> Chislon:  double click your clock and go "synchronize"
[11:25] <reka> Chislon: probably b/c you set it up wrong during the install stage
[11:25] <Chislon> it never asked me about the clock
[11:25] <mindmedic> __Rob, well, i dont' use it, and i can't really help you, good luck though
[11:25] <Chislon> and i cant double click it, a calender comes up then goes away
[11:25] <reka> Hajuu: don't think that works for gnome
[11:25] <HappyFool> Chislon: it might think your clock is utc (greenwich time) instead of 'local time'
[11:25] <reka> Chislon: right clikc -> adjust
[11:25] <megabit> reka: It sazs I cant find kubuntu-desktop.
[11:26] <Hajuu> cp "/etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_php4*" "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*"
[11:26] <Hajuu> Whats wrong with that?
[11:26] <HappyFool> or right-click clock -> properties and look at the settings
[11:26] <HappyFool> Hajuu: no star in the destination
[11:26] <HappyFool> and no quotes
[11:26] <reka> megabit: post your sources/list in http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[11:27] <reka> megabit: and send the link here.
[11:27] <Hajuu> cp: cannot stat `/etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_php4*': No such file or directory
[11:27] <HappyFool> Hajuu: no quotes
[11:27] <EarthSage> Linux n00b here ... need to know how to install programs
[11:27] <Jormundgand> EarthSage: Synaptic.
[11:27] <EarthSage> eh ?
[11:27] <reka> EarthSage: easy route: system->admin->synaptic
[11:27] <HappyFool> Hajuu: try     cp /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_php4* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[11:28] <Chislon> HappyFool, reka, ok thank you
[11:28] <EarthSage> ok found that
[11:28] <candyban> EarthSage: n00b answer : man apt-get
[11:28] <EarthSage> now i want to install Xmms
[11:28] <Hajuu> yeah that works heh
[11:28] <EarthSage> its sitting on my volume somewhere
[11:28] <Chislon> sync didnt do anything, i guess i have to set it first?
[11:29] <EarthSage> but what do i do to add it
[11:29] <Hajuu> Is it just when working with variable filenames like that that I shouldnt use quotes?
[11:29] <HappyFool> Hajuu: you only need quotes in specific instances
[11:29] <Hajuu> cause some of my directorys have spaces in their names..
[11:29] <HappyFool> Hajuu: typically funny filename characters, or spaces in filenames
[11:29] <Hajuu> yeah I didnt think it would cause an error though
[11:29] <HappyFool> you can also quote the space using \
[11:29] <reka> EarthSage: search for it.  then right-click when found and mark for installation.  then apply.  read the synaptic manual for more info
[11:29] <Hajuu> yeah I knoticed that when using dir
[11:30] <Hajuu> how do I display files in a list?
[11:30] <Hajuu> rather than a "blob"
[11:30] <EarthSage> i must not have done it right
[11:30] <Hajuu> heh
[11:30] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if you're going to be using the command line a lot, i'd avoid spaces in file or directory names
[11:30] <reka> EarthSage: FYI, beep-media-player is nicer
[11:30] <EarthSage> i have a tar.gz file ....
[11:30] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ls -l
[11:30] <EarthSage> do i extract that first ... and to where?
[11:30] <Hajuu> HappyFool:  I only have spaces in them when ive extracted old archives from my windows days
[11:30] <jaysin> i cant get gnome baker to burn cds... it worked fine yesterday, now nothing
[11:30] <Hajuu> ok.. can I get a list without all the details?
[11:30] <EarthSage> Ill check all those nice things out when im able to install at all
[11:30] <reka> EarthSage: that's called installing from source.  installing programs via synaptic is *much* easier and recommended for newbies
[11:31] <xukun> I just installed xfce, what a great sfaff
[11:31] <HappyFool> Hajuu: 'man ls'
[11:31] <reka> EarthSage: in short, use synaptic to install programs rather than downloading the programs from the website
[11:31] <EarthSage> ok well ... from the top, what do i do?
[11:31] <Ediablo> Anyone knows a repository that got libxml-simple-perl and working?
[11:33] <HappyFool> EarthSage: you probably need to setup synaptic to download software
[11:33] <HappyFool> EarthSage: it's not very complicated. in synaptic, follow from the menu: Settings -> Repositories
[11:34] <jjzhou> jjd fds
[11:34] <reka> HappyFool: i'm helping him out in pm.  thanks though
[11:35] <HappyFool> reka: cool
[11:35] <megabit> reka, http://www.webpark.cz/megabit/    - this is my sourceslist
[11:35] <Hajuu> if I do something like make an alias for "ls" so that it runs "ls -l -w" instead.. will that break something heh
[11:35] <Hajuu> ?
[11:35] <HappyFool> no
[11:35] <beto> hola
[11:36] <beto> alguien que hable espaol?
[11:36] <HappyFool> ls is often aliased to 'ls --color=auto' or something anyway
[11:36] <__Rob> is it possible to make ubuntu automatically log on as a user?
[11:36] <HappyFool> beto: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:36] <beto> como puedo configurar tvtime ???
[11:36] <beto> ok
[11:36] <HappyFool> __Rob: yes. System -> Administration -> Login screen setup
[11:36] <__Rob> HappyFool: thanks
[11:36] <reka> HappyFool: mind helping megabit out?  he's trying to install kde but i think his sources list is borked.  he's linked his sources list above.
[11:36] <MonkeyMagic> Can someone help a newbie...  Installed Ubuntu, the AMD64 varaint, but my wireless NIC is not supported, so I need to use ndiswrapper.  I downloaded their .DEB distribution, but who on earth do I use a .deb?  I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out, before rebooting into windows, to ask here :-(
[11:36] <beto> thank you HappuFool
[11:36] <HappyFool> reka: will do
[11:37] <reka> thanks
[11:37] <HappyFool> beto: ok. hope you get help there ;)
[11:37] <kimo> HappyFool: yes common alias
[11:37] <kimo> MonkeyMagic: dpkg -i deb
[11:37] <mindmedic> cool topic :)
[11:37] <Hajuu> Yay! Finally got my webserver up and running!
[11:37] <MonkeyMagic> ahh, still Linux even ubuntu is not ready for desktops...
[11:37] <Hajuu> :D
[11:38] <MonkeyMagic> the old commandline..
[11:38] <Hajuu> MonkeyMagic:  Once setup it can be.
[11:38] <kimo> MonkeyMagic: cant u find ndis from synaptic
[11:38] <Hajuu> But not for everyone
[11:38] <mindmedic> commandline is as new as everything else
[11:38] <kimo> MonkeyMagic: so that ubuntu is ready for desktop ;)
[11:38] <MonkeyMagic> no it's not in there
[11:38] <Jormundgand> MonkeyMagic: 9,999 times out of 10,000 Ubuntu works perfectly. The remaining one can generally replace their hardware with Linux-supported tech and petition the vendor.
[11:38] <HappyFool> megabit: um. i'm not an expert, but it looks to me like you have warty and hoary repositories there
[11:39] <MonkeyMagic> I also get a solid lockup on shutdown.  Will this go once I get the network running an update?
[11:39] <HappyFool> megabit: are you running warty or hoary at the moment ?
[11:39] <Hajuu> and tonight I do an apt-get upgrade heh
[11:39] <Hajuu> to get 120mb of updates
[11:39] <kimo> Hajuu: I am downloading my updates in the office :)
[11:39] <MonkeyMagic> I was kinda stuck, as I could not install the src version of ndiswrapper either, as no kernel sources were installed, and I could not find them in the package manager either.
[11:39] <mindmedic> MonkeyMagic, see it as evolution.  Later you learn to speak and form a better way of describing things you want done.
[11:40] <MonkeyMagic> but suprised, as this is the massive DVD ISO, and no kernel sources????
[11:40] <kimo> mindmedic: very nice way of seeing things
[11:40] <kimo> why does ubuntu use 386 kernel!! not 686
[11:41] <Hajuu> uhh
[11:41] <Hajuu> I take it you mean i386...
[11:41] <megabit> HappyFool: I dont understand. - are you running warty or hoary at the moment ? (I dont download nothink.))
[11:41] <kimo> yeah
[11:41] <Hajuu> That's the standard CPU architecture
[11:41] <topyli> kimo: that's the default installation kernel. you can install another kernel after install
[11:41] <mindmedic> not by me, read it somewhere, but i think the comparison is neat.. even my girlfriend prefers the imagemagick tools to some "resize frontend"
[11:41] <Hajuu> pretty much all modern cpus use that
[11:41] <HappyFool> MonkeyMagic: install linux-source-2.6.10
[11:41] <kimo> topyli: how
[11:41] <Hajuu> besides macs
[11:41] <Ediablo> What's wrong here? W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libx/libxml-libxml-common-perl/libxml-libxml-common-perl_0.13-5_i386.deb
[11:41] <Ediablo>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:41] <Bolga> Hi all !
[11:41] <Ediablo> In Synaptic that is
[11:42] <mindmedic> 404 not found
[11:42] <HappyFool> megabit: how did you install ubuntu ? and when ? and have you upgraded ?
[11:42] <mindmedic> its not there
[11:42] <Bolga>  anyone from FINLAND here ?
[11:42] <topyli> Bolga: yes
[11:42] <mindmedic> try apt-get update, or choose another repository
[11:42] <HappyFool> megabit: 'warty warthog' is the october 2004 release of ubuntu. 'hoary hedgehog' is april 2005
[11:43] <Hajuu> woah
[11:43] <Hajuu> well then
[11:43] <Hajuu> heh
[11:43] <Hajuu> catchas all later
[11:43] <mindmedic> bye
[11:44] <egg|24-7> overflow?
[11:44] <egg|24-7> @@
[11:44] <HappyFool> Ediablo: try again. looks like a server problem.
[11:44] <megabit> HappyFool, I install ubuntu from DVD - ubuntu linux 4.10 updated linux+ edition - 03.2005 - i dont upgrade ubuntu.
[11:44] <Bolga> topyli, do you receive my private messages ?
[11:45] <HappyFool> megabit: ok, hang on a moment
[11:46] <megabit> HappyFool, But I hink i must add some link to sources.list.
[11:46] <HappyFool> megabit: ok, it looks like kubuntu-desktop is only available in the newer release (ubuntu linux 5.04)
[11:46] <HappyFool> megabit: is there a reason you have not upgraded ?
[11:47] <megabit> HappyFool, upgrad is apt-get upgrade or download new version ubuntu?
[11:48] <CoRzA> i need some help i bought a new video card and now ubuntu wont work i think it needs xfree86 (as stated on the box) i tried apt-get xserver-xfree86 but that done barely anything
[11:48] <HappyFool> megabit: using apt-get, but 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:48] <gm78> CoRzA: what kind of video card?
[11:48] <HappyFool> megabit: this will require a large download
[11:49] <CoRzA> gm78: nvidia 6200 256mb
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: hang on
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: you can get kde-3.2 in warty (ubuntu 4.10)
[11:49] <gm78> CoRzA: do you have Nvidia's drivers from their website installed?
[11:49] <CoRzA> it wont let me startx
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: according to this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: that will be quite easy
[11:49] <gm78> CoRzA : but did you install nvidia's drivers?
[11:50] <megabit> HappyFool, I try it. Thanks.
[11:50] <HappyFool> megabit: you need to fix your sources.list for that
[11:50] <HappyFool> megabit: is kde-3.2 good enough ?
[11:50] <CoRzA> how do i do that?
[11:50] <CoRzA> shouldnt ubuntu detect it on install?
[11:51] <Jormundgand> CoRzA: In an ideal world, yes, but I think the nVidia drivers are closed-source, so they won't be on the CD and only main and restricted are enabled by default.
[11:51] <HappyFool> megabit: your sources.list should look like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GM98eD80.html
[11:51] <EarthSage> am i still here?
[11:51] <HappyFool> megabit: oh, hang on
[11:51] <CoRzA> hmmm how come it didnt work when i done "apt-get xserver-xfree86"
[11:51] <HappyFool> megabit: that's wrong..
[11:51] <CoRzA> install*
[11:51] <Akrame> hi
[11:52] <Akrame> Katrinka is spamin
[11:52] <Jormundgand> CoRzA: Hoary uses X.org.
[11:52] <HappyFool> megabit: corrected: http://rafb.net/paste/results/51TD7i57.html
[11:52] <CoRzA> yes but cant u override it
[11:52] <Jormundgand> Doubt it.
[11:52] <HappyFool> megabit: and then run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kde-core'
[11:53] <CoRzA> beh its prolly easier if i find another distro
[11:53] <HappyFool> what's wrong with xorg?
[11:53] <CoRzA> it doesnt work with my video card
[11:53] <megabit> HappyFool, I write apt-get dist-upgrade and there is only 200MB to download.
[11:53] <HappyFool> megabit: woah!
[11:53] <HappyFool> megabit: have you changed your sources.list to point to hoary?
[11:54] <HappyFool> megabit: and remove those kubuntu / kde repostories
[11:54] <HC|Idler> CoRzA which video card is that
[11:54] <HappyFool> kubuntu is in the main ubuntu repositories, no need for outside sources
[11:54] <xukun> how do Install the xfce themes?
[11:54] <CoRzA> 6200 256meg
[11:54] <megabit> HappyFool, sources.list to point to hoar - what?
[11:54] <CoRzA> Nvidia*
[11:55] <HappyFool> megabit: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list before doing dist-upgrade
[11:55] <HC|Idler> Nvidia should work
[11:55] <theD3viL> How to set up windows-1250 encoding?
[11:55] <CoRzA> well it doesnt
[11:55] <gm78> CoRzA : No, you need to install the Nvidia drivers, you will on any distro. Any mainstream distro does not include the drivers because they are not open source
[11:55] <megabit> HappyFool, And what I must write to source list?
[11:55] <HappyFool> megabit: i'll tell you now.
[11:55] <HappyFool> megabit: i'm just checking to make sure
[11:56] <HC|Idler> CoRzA nvidia is one of the best supported drivers there are
[11:56] <CoRzA> gm78: i put Knoppix in before and it works fine
[11:56] <HC|Idler> ehm what you haven't installed the nvidia drivers?
[11:56] <gm78> well, open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and tell me which display driver is installed
[11:57] <odie5533> I just installed a new sound card, how do I enable it?
[11:57] <CoRzA> i'd have to restart my computer to do that
[11:57] <Akrame> nO
[11:57] <gm78> CoRzA : what are you in right now?
[11:57] <gm78> Windows?
[11:57] <CoRzA> yes
[11:57] <megabit> HappyFool, You say only you need to change sources.list - but I dont know how.
[11:58] <Akrame> megabit
[11:58] <HappyFool> megabit: i will tell you now ;) please be patient
[11:58] <Akrame> read !
[11:58] <floater_> someone tell me how to get my audio wurk. I don't have that dev/dsp .. How do I modprobe it, what file, what ,woot, I have awe 64 sound card on old p2 400mhz
[11:58] <HappyFool> megabit: ok, this is the page i was looking for: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:58] <HappyFool> megabit: i'll put up an example sources.list on pastebin. hang on
[11:58] <odie5533> How do I enable a new sound card?
[11:59] <aLeSD> hi, someone know a program to copy my DVD ?
[12:00] <HappyFool> megabit: here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/bKnkGh13.html
[12:00] <HappyFool> megabit: use gedit to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, e.g., 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:01] <megabit> HappyFool, Thanks very much. I use mc.
[12:01] <HappyFool> megabit: um. maybe 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' in that case
[12:01] <floater_> I need some serious assistance. I have no idea how to get it wurk
[12:01] <HappyFool> megabit: i'm not familiar with mc
[12:02] <HappyFool> megabit: when that's done, you need to do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[12:02] <HappyFool> megabit: and *then*, to get kde, do 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[12:02] <raghu> aLeSD: apt-cache search "dvd"
[12:04] <floater_> thanks
[12:04] <floater_> bye
[12:05] <HappyFool> floater_: try asking again at another time. no soundcard gurus on at the moment.
[12:06] <megabit> HappyFool, It is very good irc. I byught yesterday a notebook and I couldnt install debian on it but with ubuntu isnt problem.
[12:07] <HappyFool> megabit: interesting. ubuntu is based on debian, so that's a little surprising.
[12:07] <HappyFool> megabit: you are managing to make it work ?
[12:10] <megabit> HappyFool, No I need it to school. (I think you asked at this) - I am from czech republic. And i dont know english so much.
[12:11] <HappyFool> megabit: cool :). No, i meant, is the dist-upgrade working correctly?
[12:11] <HappyFool> megabit: don't worry, your english is quite good!
[12:12] <megabit> HappyFool, I write it and i must download 500MB I thinked it wil by over 1GB.
[12:12] <Akrame> svpl , qq saurai a quel heure c la final roland garros filles ?
[12:12] <Jormundgand> Hey, a fellow EU citizen!
[12:13] <HappyFool> megabit: eek
[12:13] <theD3viL> How to set up windows-1250 encoding?
[12:13] <megabit> HappyFool, What is eek?
[12:14] <HappyFool> megabit: sort of like 'wow', only with fear ;)
[12:14] <HappyFool> megabit: i'm on dialup (i.e., modem) -- 1GB is about three days download time
[12:14] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:14] <listi> haiii
[12:14] <vampire12> hi everybody
[12:15] <Chand> hi
[12:15] <vampire12> how are u
[12:15] <saber_> hey has anyone ever tried partimage?
[12:15] <reka> HappyFool: i'm on dialup too. :-/  good job helping. it seems like you sorted him out.  i think i would have been stumped. :-)
[12:15] <megabit> HappyFool, Mz speed is about 22KB/s
[12:16] <ekCo> how do i update to new nvidia drivers?
[12:17] <stijndg> acx111 is not working for my wireless network card. How do i remove it so i can use ndiswrapper,
[12:17] <ekCo> ??/?
[12:19] <reka> saber_: no, but it sounds good.
[12:19] <hramrach> Hello
[12:20] <hramrach> I tried installing Ubuntu GNU/Linux
[12:20] <hramrach> But base-config never finishes.
[12:20] <saber_> reka: yeah it looks really promising. It is even included in Feather Linux (a usb flash drive distribution). Its a promising method of backing up any system onto an FTP server.
[12:20] <saber_> but my only question is how stable it is.
[12:20] <hramrach> After installing packages, it starts a shell. When I quit the shell, it starts another..
[12:21] <Akrame> what do you think about
[12:21] <Akrame> damn small linux
[12:21] <ronybeck> how do I install kernel source using aptget?
[12:21] <saber_> so i was wondering if many people have done a bare metal restore around here ...
[12:21] <Jormundgand> hramrach: You mean it opens a terminal window?
[12:22] <ronybeck> saber_, I have using mondo rescue
[12:22] <hramrach> no, it's in text
[12:22] <reka> ronybeck: apt-cache search linux-source
[12:22] <reka> install the one that matches your current kernel
[12:22] <reka> uname -a
[12:22] <saber_> cool. mondo rescue looks good for linux machines... but doesn't seem to offer much for windows machines easily
[12:23] <saber_> damn small linux looks like a good distribution too
[12:24] <ronybeck> saber_, you want to restore a windows machine?
[12:24] <saber_> well, i want to be able to backup linux and windows machines
[12:24] <hramrach> Is there some place where I should look to see why it is failing?
[12:24] <shanon> saber_: How are you going to backup the windows machine?
[12:24] <ronybeck> saber_, I thought mondo did that
[12:24] <saber_> it does, but only if the machine already has linux installed on it
[12:25] <ronybeck> reka, thank you
[12:25] <reka> np
[12:25] <saber_> my laptop doesn't have linux... i could install it, but i kind of want to keep my laptop windows only
[12:26] <shanon> saber_: You can boot linux cd, dd laptop disk to a network mounted drive
[12:26] <hramrach> I'd backup a Windows machine with Norton Ghost, or dd, or just copying the files I want
[12:26] <saber_> but then the client needs nfs right?
[12:27] <saber_> and the server needs to be setup for nfs?
[12:27] <hramrach> saber_: you can also copy over ssh, ftp, ..
[12:27] <shanon> saber_: Will you need to copy the image to somewhere. You can use any way
[12:27] <hramrach> samba even
[12:28] <saber_> nah samba doesn't work
[12:28] <saber_> i thought of that already... windows xp doesn't expore the entire file system
[12:28] <hramrach> It works for me
[12:28] <saber_> so you can't do a "complete" backup
[12:28] <mez> lmao
[12:28] <shanon> You can use samba to mount a remote drive
[12:28] <shanon> to copy to
[12:28] <ronybeck> saber_, why not just dd the disk to a file ;)
[12:28] <mez> Ressam_F^ is linking everyone who joins to a page where it downloads a Windows Virus
[12:29] <shanon> You can only do that if you have enough space on a seperate local partition
[12:29] <saber_> yeah i got that too, mez... i don't know if it had a virus, but i got the advertisement
[12:29] <Hajuu> hey uhm
[12:29] <Hajuu> I just downloaded limewire
[12:29] <Hajuu> and it came as a .bin file
[12:29] <mez> Well... i assume it was a virus :D
[12:29] <Hajuu> what am I meant to do with that?
[12:29] <ronybeck> Hajuu, run it :-)
[12:30] <ronybeck> Hajuu, ./some.bin
[12:30] <reka> bin - binary exectuable iirc
[12:30] <saber_> shanon, what method could i use that wouldn't touch the local disk?
[12:30] <ronybeck> man apt-get shits on yum.  I am a fan
[12:30] <Hajuu> root@ubuntu:/home/hajuu/apps # ./LimeWireLinux.bin
[12:30] <Hajuu> bash: ./LimeWireLinux.bin: Permission denied
[12:30] <saber_> lets say i boot knoppix and want to send my disk with dd over ssh
[12:31] <saber_> is that possible?
[12:31] <saber_> or even ftp... both are setup right now
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: maybe
[12:31] <ronybeck> Hajuu, chmod +x LimeWireLinux.bin
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: ftp no
[12:31] <mez> apparently clamav says it's not a virus
[12:31] <ronybeck> Hajuu, then try executing it again
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: You need to pipe the output of dd (or whatever) to scp
[12:31] <Hajuu> uhm
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: I am not sure if you can do that I would have to have a look
[12:32] <Hajuu> can I get the java virtual machine through apt-get ?
[12:32] <saber_> well, that's some good advice
[12:32] <saber_> i'm sure there's a way to have a client accept input from stdin
[12:32] <ronybeck> Hajuu, prolly.  If not it isn't that hard to install from Sun's site
[12:32] <shanon> saber_: You may be able to specify the input file in scp as standard input
[12:32] <Hajuu> heh im not too good at compiling stuff
[12:33] <saber_> then i could use md5deep to perform a checksum on the data
[12:33] <ronybeck> Hajuu, you compiling foo is low?  ;)
[12:33] <Hajuu> whoops
[12:33] <Hajuu> accidentally dc
[12:33] <saber_> but would dd copy the entire partition or only the parts of the partition that actually had data on it?
[12:34] <saber_> like my disk can hold 60gb, but i'm only using 17gb of it
[12:34] <saber_> dd would need to have information about a particular file system (ext3, vfat, ntfs...) right?
[12:35] <shanon> saber_: I am pretty sure dd will copy the whole partition but if you compress it the unused part would compress done to almost nothing
[12:35] <saber_> ah that's a good solution
[12:35] <shanon> saber_: no dd does not do a filesystem backup. It does a raw data backup
[12:35] <saber_> well, if you compress data verification becomes difficult
[12:36] <shanon> saber_: Why?
[12:36] <saber_> well, i would tend to use checksum's to verify the data
[12:36] <shanon> ah ok
[12:36] <saber_> you can't directly compare the local data and the remote data if it becomes compressed
[12:37] <Hajuu> you can if you take the checksum of the compressed file
[12:37] <Hajuu> ;)
[12:37] <saber_> then you need to compress the data locally and then compare it
[12:37] <saber_> to the remote checksum value
[12:37] <Hajuu> ofcourse you need to compress it locally
[12:37] <saber_> i think that's too much work
[12:37] <shanon> I guess you need to test your solution.
[12:37] <Hajuu> you think the connection is just going to magically compress it?
[12:37] <saber_> well i guess you could
[12:38] <shanon> It should work fine
[12:38] <baluba> hi
[12:38] <shanon> saber_: You could also tar over scp a ro mounted NTFS system. But I would trust it less than dd
[12:38] <saber_> let me go look at some man pages
[12:38] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about dri etc on the normal driver for ati?
[12:39] <saber_> heh the more i think about it
[12:39] <darth_schmoo> What's the best way to upgrade to firefox 1.0.4?
[12:39] <saber_> the more i think i need to give an learn bacula
[12:39] <saber_> i mean..  the more i think about this problem, the more i realize i just need to stop being lazy and learn bacula
[12:40] <saber_> for being able to backup any type of system onto a dedicated machine on a network
[12:40] <Jormundgand> http://daringfireball.net/misc/2005/05/ok-button-dialog.png - Requesting more error messages like this in Ubuntu. Ubuntu needs Zen error messages.
[12:40] <shanon> A premade backup solution is a good choice if you don't want to put the time into building your own
[12:41] <saber_> have you tried anything like that?
[12:41] <Jurku> Jormundgand: :-)
[12:42] <hdo781> Can someone help me change my screen resolution to 1024 by 768?  It's at 640 by 480 right now.
[12:43] <saber_> which window manager do you use?
[12:43] <hdo781> Gnome
[12:43] <saber_> if its gnome/kde, you should be able to find it from their "start menu"
[12:43] <jnoreiko> in gnome it's Computer > system conf > screen res
[12:44] <jnoreiko> but all available resolutions might not be listed
[12:44] <hdo781> Not all the available resolutions are listed.
[12:44] <jnoreiko> well on Warty I did it by editing the x11 config file (whatever it's called)
[12:44] <hdo781> Only one resolution is listed and it's small
[12:45] <jnoreiko> but Hoary is a different X so it might be different
[12:45] <hdo781> What did you edit in xorg.conf?
[12:45] <tigermb> why is wx linked with gtk1?
[12:46] <saber_> hdo: look inside of /etc/X11R6/ or /etc/X
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> can I get details of the ati driver
[12:46] <saber_> actually its /etc/X11/
[12:46] <hdo781> saber:  I'm there right now.  I just don't know what to edit.
[12:47] <saber_> looks like i would edit /etc/XF86Config-4
[12:47] <jnoreiko> I'm still on Warty so I don't know what xorg looks like
[12:47] <saber_> sorry /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:47] <hdo781> I'm using xorg, not xfree
[12:47] <jnoreiko> in /XF86Config-4, look at Section "Screen"
[12:48] <tigermb> xorg.conf
[12:48] <jnoreiko> look for anything that looks like resolutions
[12:48] <saber_> find /etc -name *xorg* -print
[12:48] <spanglesontoast> can you tell me how to enable 3d accel in the normal "ati" driver not fglrx
[12:49] <tithai> heelo
[12:49] <hdo781> I'm in xorg.conf and I see the screen resolutions, but what do I edit to make 1024 by 768 the default?
[12:49] <hramrach> bye
[12:49] <jnoreiko> do you see resolutions n the text file that the GUI doesn't list as options?
[12:50] <theD3viL> How can i mount cdrom with win-1250 encoding?
[12:50] <saber_> look around the file.. make changes... backup your file first :)
[12:50] <saber_> for me its: mount /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom
[12:50] <hdo781> Okay.
[12:51] <shanon> Has anyone got mythtv running on ubuntu ?
[12:51] <Hajuu> yeah I still have some files which I made hidden in windows which im unable to see on this cd.. :S
[12:51] <Hajuu> tiz annoying me
[12:51] <saber_> yours might be different depending on where the device is attached
[12:51] <djp> any audacity users here?
[12:51] <Hajuu> shannon: where in aus are you!
[12:51] <xukun> how do I switch between themes in xfce
[12:51] <jnoreiko> I use audacity on OS X
[12:51] <shanon> Hajuu: Melbourne
[12:51] <theD3viL> saber_, but if i write this its encoding iso-9885-2
[12:51] <Tannin> hi all
[12:51] <Hajuu> bah
[12:51] <Hajuu> bloody eastern staters
[12:51] <Hajuu> heh
[12:52] <djp> jnoreiko: i really need help with using it under hoary. basically the mp3 feature does not work
[12:52] <saber_> sorry, i've never dealt with any language other than english so i wouldn't know how to do it without researching
[12:52] <Tannin> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run a script after the system recovers from suspend-to-ram/suspend-to-disk?
[12:52] <luka> Hello. I just upgraded to breezy. But now when I try to start X (with gdm or startx), X server fails and complains something about missing fixed font. Is there a way to correct this problem? Please help.
[12:53] <Jormundgand> luka: Reinstall Hoary. All problems should vanish in three-quarters of an hour.
[12:53] <jnoreiko> djp, have you installed the mp3 encoder? that's not in the basic install
[12:53] <luka> Jormundgand: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:54] <djp> jnoreiko: that is the problem. i have installed the libmp3lame.so file but it does not work. basically it just records a silent file of no size!
[12:54] <Determinist> luka, read the topic
[12:54] <Jormundgand> luka: Heck, however you want to downgrade. I personally recommend using the CD, but it's your lookout.
[12:55] <luka> ok
[12:55] <djp> jnoreiko: however, a work around appears to be to save your work in audacity as a .wav file and then convert to mp3 using lame itself. that works. i would just like to know why audacity does not work when using libmp3lame.so?
[12:55] <nbvk> can anyone tell me how to change the mysql db user password
[12:57] <raghu> nbvk: http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.mysql.com/doc/en/Default_privileges.html
[12:57] <nbvk> thanks mater
[12:59] <nbvk> -r
[01:00] <tigermb> why is wx built with gtk1 on hoary?
[01:02] <baluba> are these the instructions to follow to upgrade from hoary? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[01:02] <djp> no one else use audacity here under ubuntu?
[01:03] <goldfish> djp: i did briefly
[01:04] <djp> goldfish: did you get the mp3 side of things working?
[01:04] <robin_> breezy ??
[01:04] <tigermb> djp: yes i have audacity
[01:04] <djp> tigermb: are you running it under hoary?
[01:05] <djp> tigermb: have you managed to save your work as an mp3 using the audacity export feature?
[01:06] <goldfish> djp: nope
[01:06] <goldfish> djp: if i recall it needs some lame package ?
[01:06] <goldfish> djp: i think the lame packages is in the repos somewhere.
[01:06] <goldfish> -s
[01:06] <tigermb> djp: no the problem is that you need another lame package i think
[01:06] <djp> goldfish: yeah. i have installed the necessary files but audacity cannot save the mp3 file correctly
[01:07] <goldfish> djp: ugh :/
[01:07] <kimo> launching 'hibernate' it says, my kernel doesnt have swsusp2 !!! How does anyone hibernate here!
[01:07] <nbvk> i followed the ubuntuguide on how to setup mysql/apache/php but i want to change the mysql user password how?
[01:07] <nbvk> it says )
[01:07] <Hajuu> I dont hybernate heh
[01:07] <nbvk> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)
[01:08] <djp> tigermb: i have tried using liblame0, liblame-dev... neither work. they install the libmp3lame.so file but even though audacity finds the file and tells me lame is installed, when i save my work to mp3, the file is silent and appears to b 0kbs in size!
[01:08] <spanglesontoast> how do I force install a dpkg
[01:09] <spanglesontoast> *in
[01:09] <Hajuu> force install?
[01:09] <thenuke> --force?
[01:09] <Hajuu> if it doesnt install.. theres most likely a reason.
[01:09] <djp> goldfish: i have installed the necessary lame files, audacity appears to find the correct file but when i use the export feature the created mp3 file is empty (or makes a weird sound on ocassions)!
[01:09] <saber_> spangle: i know you can do things like: dpkg -i --ignore-depends=package-name     some_file.deb
[01:10] <raghu> nbvk: join #ysql
[01:10] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:10] <spanglesontoast> ty
[01:10] <saber_> --ignore-depends must be stated for every package, you can't use commas
[01:10] <thenuke> --force wont stop on any error
[01:10] <raghu> nbvk: join #mysql
[01:11] <raghu> nbvk: by default root can login ...your loging as user?
[01:11] <nbvk> what do u mean login
[01:12] <raghu> nbvk: login as whom?
[01:12] <nbvk> what am i logging into?
[01:12] <raghu> nbvk: you installed just now or it was working before?
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> that still doesn't work
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=xlibmesa-gl fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[01:13] <nbvk> nbvk: it is all working i just want to change the root user password
[01:13] <raghu> nbvk: just a sec
[01:13] <nbvk> whoops
[01:13] <nbvk> i am checking this site... http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html
[01:14] <tigermb> djp: you need another package which is not in ubuntu rep
[01:15] <raghu> nbvk: try this
[01:15] <raghu> nbvk: mysqladmin -u root password yourpassword
[01:16] <nbvk> is password the current password and yourpassword the new password or is yourpassword the current password?
[01:17] <raghu> your new password
[01:17] <raghu> nbvk: try this .....http://www.psoft.net/HSdocumentation/sysadmin/mysql_pass.html
[01:17] <djp> tigermb: can you point me in the direction of what i need?
[01:18] <nbvk> ok
[01:18] <djp> tigermb: or better still, could you email me your libmp3lame.so file so that i can see whether i can get things working with that?
[01:18] <Mark> having some probs with my install.  I have no networking support, as I have a wireless card, I need to update, as ubuntu hangs on shutdown every time.  I know my card is supported by ndiswrapper, but it's install needs kernel sources, and I cant get the kernel sources from Synaptic.  Help......
[01:19] <tigermb> djp: i told you that it doesnt work with me either, you should not just put a libmp3lame.so in /usr/lib, that won't work, get the lame source and compile the shit yourself would be a sollution
[01:19] <nbvk> raghu: it is coming up with the same error
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> can anyone tell me about forcing the install of the ati driver off the ati website?
[01:21] <djp> tigermb: no, you did not tell me it did not work for you, but you have now, so thanks. i gather you have not tried compiling lame from source yourself, otherwise you would know whether it would be worth doing so...
[01:22] <tigermb> djp, i know it is worth, because i do have libmp3lame.dll on win32 audacity
[01:23] <djp> tigermb: i am using ubuntu hoary here
[01:23] <tigermb> hmm i seem that i do have the file
[01:23] <tigermb> one second
[01:24] <chaitatp> which program do you use the burn cds?
[01:24] <tigermb> k3b
[01:24] <tigermb> no doubt the best burning prog
[01:25] <chaitatp> thanks
[01:25] <raghu> nbvk: can you login to mysql wit your old password?
[01:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> but k3b needs kde
[01:25] <tigermb> so waht, install with synaptic and voila
[01:26] <chaitatp> ToutPT|ppc|fr, OOps
[01:26] <chaitatp> not thank you
[01:26] <tigermb> djp: do: ls /usr/lib/libmp3*
[01:26] <chaitatp> ToutPT|ppc|fr, any other
[01:26] <raghu> nbvk: mysqladmin -u root password yourpassword           just use this coomand when it prompts for password type your old or current command
[01:26] <tigermb> gnomebaker
[01:27] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i don't know: i m on kubuntu
[01:27] <chaitatp> tigermb, sound good
[01:27] <tigermb> not as good as k3b though
[01:27] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> this was just a warning
[01:27] <nbvk> ok thanks raghu
[01:27] <tigermb> but its makeing progress
[01:27] <raghu> nbvk: yourpassword =new password                     when it prompts for password give old one
[01:28] <chaitatp> does 'cdrecord' from the ubuntu repositories works like a charm?
[01:28] <chaitatp> or do i have to configure it with some effort?
[01:28] <djp> tigermb: the files listed are libmp3lame.so.0, libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 and a link that i made, libmp3lame.so
[01:29] <raghu> nbvk: any luck?
[01:30] <nbvk> nope
[01:35] <Chislon> how come my web browser seems slower on this than on windows, is it cuz im using the livecd?
[01:36] <IIIEars> Chislon - Yes - the Hard disk swapfile will speed things up if you decide to install Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[01:36] <IIIEars> y
[01:37] <Chislon> woay, wahts Kubuntu?
[01:37] <Chislon> er woah
[01:37] <IIIEars> uer woah?
[01:37] <Kingmilo> Hi guys. Is there a document managment solution for linux? Basically store and index all your documents, making it easily available from one application?
[01:37] <Chislon> what? i dunno, but what is Kubuntu?
[01:38] <IIIEars> Chisoln - Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop environment and Kubuntu uses KDE.
[01:38] <Chislon> oh
[01:38] <Chislon> ok
[01:39] <Chislon> is there a big difference between the two?
[01:39] <Chislon> kde and gnome that is
[01:39] <Chislon> i know its a huge war or something right?
[01:40] <egg> what wars?
[01:40] <IIIEars> If you have used Knoppix knoppix uses KDE. - Both Gnome and KDE are very good Gnome runs more easily on a wider variety of hardware.
[01:41] <wdh> Chislon, sure there is
[01:41] <Chislon> i dont know,
[01:41] <Chislon> ok ubuntu i sthe only thing i think ive used
[01:41] <Chislon> unless i did a long time ago and i dont remember
[01:42] <wdh> Chislon, if you would like to try kde as well.. just install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' through synaptic.. and choose KDE in 'session' at login prompt
[01:42] <BoD_SWAT> Please help! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39116   (in search of a FTP client with SSL encrypted data channels)
[01:42] <IIIEars> pretty cool eh?
[01:42] <nomasteryoda> gftp
[01:42] <IIIEars> You can always choose.
[01:42] <Chislon> wdh, i have no idea what that means^^
[01:43] <BoD_SWAT> gftp doesn't encrypt the data channels ( I have tried, as is said on the web-forum)
[01:43] <Chislon> ya its kool, but i dotn know enough yet
[01:43] <Chislon> why linux over freebsd?
[01:43] <BoD_SWAT> nomasteryoda, gftp doesn't encrypt the data channels ( I have tried, as is said on the web-forum)
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> BoD_SWAT, is ssh not encrypted?
[01:43] <robin_> what is breezy ?
[01:44] <BoD_SWAT> nomasteryoda, yes, the login. But the data channels aren't
[01:44] <Seveas> Amaranth, congrats with your package making it into the ubuntu repos!
[01:44] <IIIEars> In windows you have to cruise around the web looking for downloads with Ubuntu (Debian) linux you have "Synaptic" just open it type in what you want and click install.
[01:44] <BoD_SWAT> nomasteryoda, I mean SSL
[01:44] <nomasteryoda> BoD_SWAT, k
[01:44] <IIIEars> Thats wonderful Amaranth. :)
[01:44] <nomasteryoda> guess i need to find one too
[01:44] <drummer87> hi, why does flash seem to use heaps of processor power.. when i play a flash, it lags and the cpu usage is at about 80-90% ??
[01:45] <egg> robin_:  a ubuntu codename
[01:45] <robin_> egg: the latest development releae
[01:46] <BoD_SWAT> Please help! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39116   (in search of a FTP client with SSL encrypted data channels) --> Anyone else?
[01:48] <drummer87> ?? it's only with flash movies i think.. but i can see no process using that much power.. any ideas?
[01:48] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: hmm why wont you use sftp ?
[01:49] <anton__> hi - i am new here and have a question about why in ubuntu the python2.3-ctypes is at v. 06.3 while debian has 0.9.x ??
[01:49] <pushups> ubuntu wont see th dhcp on my network during install
[01:49] <pushups> but debian will
[01:49] <pushups> why
[01:49] <Seveas> BoD_SWAT, why do such difficult things?
[01:50] <Seveas> just use sftp or install openssh-server and use scp
[01:50] <Seveas> anton__, because debian updated it after hoary froze
[01:51] <anton__> ?? in 2004 ??
[01:51] <pushups> ?
[01:51] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, Seveas, because I find it 'safe' to use SSL and because all is encrypted then. I also have a lot of Windows clients and it works fine there :-x
[01:51] <pushups> any1?
[01:51] <IIIEars> <<- 6th week with linux. What a joy :)
[01:52] <IIIEars> pushups - I wish i could help.
[01:52] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: sftp is secure and all is encrypted. and there are plenty of windows clients to play with
[01:53] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: also one less process / deamon / open port with sftp
[01:53] <IIIEars> pushups - are you using ubuntu now?
[01:53] <anton__> Seveas, ok - are you sure the hoary freezing is the reason ? ctypes 0.9 started last year..
[01:54] <IIIEars> pushups - Being kinda new i would try to install a graphical firewall "firestarter" and try to adjust the DHCP settings using that.
[01:54] <Juhaz> it doesn't matter when it started upstream, but when it was packaged and included in debian repositories
[01:54] <BlackShuck> Getting lockups on shutdown, AMD64 system.  Happens every time. ubuntu 5.04
[01:54] <BlackShuck> Is this a known problem?
[01:54] <IIIEars> likely not the answer you were looking for.
[01:55] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, is SSH so much more secure than SSL? And If you use SFTP you need to open a port with which you can also login (SSH login screen), right?
[01:56] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: not really shure wich one is more secure ( I would bet on ssh or equal ) and yes you need to have ssh port open, but for my installs it is already open :)
[01:56] <jayson_I> how many CD Ubuntu?
[01:56] <Chislon> so if i have a question about linux, do i need to ask a ubuntu person because if i ask soemoen with a different distro it might not be the same? so basically just ask in here?
[01:56] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: and I think you can disable shell access for users and only allow sftp
[01:57] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, I didn't know I could do that :D
[01:57] <raghu> nbvk: you there?
[01:57] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, I think I have to change it all now.... :-/
[01:57] <pushups> firestarter?
[01:57] <IIIEars> jayson - Ubuntu is a one CD install but there are versions for Mac, 64bit, and PC's
[01:57] <pushups> what?
[01:57] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: well this was only one solution :)
[01:58] <raghu> MSG nbvk
[01:58] <chocoIate> thats it, i'm a bit tired of ubuntu ; its just way too hectic to configure my modem ; while on suse it works out of the box
[01:58] <chocoIate> does anybody know if it will be any easier for me on  fedora :o
[01:58] <IIIEars> pushups - it has a GUI (sheepish grin) i dn't know how to edit configs for firewall settings.
[01:58] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, yes, but I want a working solution. And I hate the fact the linux doesn't have a proper FTP SSL client :( (yet, there are enough servers which DO support it)
[01:58] <chocoIate> maybe i should just move on and look at other distors :P
[01:59] <liable> chocoIate: no, if it works in suse, it'll work in ubuntu
[01:59] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: iirc I user something like gnomeftp some time ago
[01:59] <pushups> dhcp?
[01:59] <liable> chocoIate: you have suse installed still?
[01:59] <tsw> s/user/used
[01:59] <anton__> Seveas , right the first 0.9 debian - <IP_ADDRESS> -  was Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:58:05
[02:00] <IIIEars> chocolate - NP - likely Suse or Knoppix will work for you. - I tried them and liked Ubuntu better.
[02:01] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, thanks for your help, but I guess I still have to keep looking around
[02:01] <liable> chocoIate: its really hard to help you when you have to reboot though to do stuff. So, when you try to do something you need to write doen what you did, what errors you get and possibly paste the relevent config files.
[02:01] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: np, good luck with your search :)
[02:02] <chocoIate> well, nothing happens liable ; i tried exactly those steps on the isdnhowto
[02:02] <chocoIate> and boom ; a big nothing
[02:02] <chocoIate> sudo pon ppp0 <-- after having configured through admin-networking
[02:02] <liable> chocoIate: well, did you get errors, did you edit the file right? are he right modules loaded?
[02:02] <chocoIate> and i just end up on the next line
[02:03] <Max> hello
[02:03] <chocoIate> the module is loaded. its only the capi module, i see it with lsmod
[02:03] <Max> hi synd
[02:03] <BlackShuck> how do I get a newer AMD64 ubuntu kernel?
[02:03] <Chislon> if im not doing servers does the difference between distros or freebsd adn such really matter much?
[02:03] <liable> chocoIate: you have suse installed too?
[02:03] <IIIEars> chocolate - could you help with pushups - DHCP question? He can't get a DHCP assigned address.
[02:03] <chocoIate> no, i got suse on live cd
[02:03] <BlackShuck> do I compile it myself, or are there stock kernels available?
[02:04] <Max> is the synaptic is not available in xfce4??
[02:04] <chocoIate> and on suse, it just simply works out of the box ; it detects my modem and shows it in the list of available modems
[02:04] <chocoIate> and all i needed to was configure
[02:04] <chocoIate> and it worked nicely
[02:04] <IIIEars> uBlackShuck - there are a bunch of kernels available - no comling unless you want to. - Yaay! :)
[02:04] <chocoIate> even my soundcard worked really nicely in suse
[02:05] <chocoIate> without a big problem
[02:05] <liable> chocoIate: answer the q, do you still have it installed?
[02:05] <chocoIate> but suse costs money which i do not want to invest :P
[02:05] <liable> suse
[02:05] <Max> hello...
[02:05] <BlackShuck> 2.6.10, or anything newer?  I get lockups during shutdown, and hoping a new kernel may fix it...
[02:05] <liable> ffs, no you dont have to pay for suse
[02:05] <djk1> Having a bit of trouble with games not 'filling' the whole screen. Using fglrx driver on ATI Mobility M10 (9600). Any ideas how to make it 'stretch' to fill the screen?
[02:05] <Max> is synaptics is not available in xfce4??
[02:05] <chocoIate> i have suse on live cd, i just run it on the cd, i cant install it on my harddisk, this is the live version
[02:06] <IIIEars> BlackShuck - not too sure - 2.6.11?
[02:06] <Max> chocoIate, but the problem with live cd is that i have to configure my internet conection everytime i run from the cd
[02:06] <chocoIate> exactly
[02:06] <chocoIate> its only for evaluation
[02:06] <chocoIate> to test that everything is working the way it should and you are happy
[02:07] <chocoIate> i am happy but i do not want to purchase :P
[02:07] <anton__> mako hi! the 70 ubuntu-cds have arrived in ixopo the other day
[02:07] <Max> chocoIate,  so i have finally installed ubuntu 64.. i had fedora 3 earlier
[02:07] <chocoIate> suse only supplies older versions free, the newer one you must buy it or wait till it gets old so you can download it freely + with these free ones there is no live update etc
[02:07] <BlackShuck> how would I go about getting 2.6.11 kernel?  download of kernel.org, or is there a ubuntu way?
[02:07] <ivoks> you should skip 2.6.11 :)
[02:08] <BlackShuck> came from Gentoo, and there were Gentoo kernel packages available, is this true also of ubuntu?
[02:08] <raghu> BlackShuck: ubuntu has 2.6.11
[02:08] <Max> can anyone answer me????
[02:08] <Max> plzx
[02:08] <BlackShuck> how do I get it?
[02:08] <chocoIate> so back to my problem. I have tried out step by step every available guide on ubuntu as to how to configure my isdn modem which has supported drivers
[02:08] <ivoks> BlackShuck: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11
[02:08] <IIIEars> BlackShuck - Open synaptic and search kernel - you can get kernel images headers and source the same way
[02:08] <djk1> Having a bit of trouble with games not 'filling' the whole screen. Using fglrx driver on ATI Mobility M10 (9600). Any ideas how to make it 'stretch' to fill the screen?
[02:08] <liable> chocoIate: dude, borrow a laptop from a friend, then come back so we can help you through it, while you are logged into ubuntu
[02:09] <ivoks> Max: ?
[02:09] <Max> ivoks, is synaptics available in xfce4?
[02:09] <chocoIate> i can login from my suse live cd, but how can that help, i'd be on suse. I want to configure ubuntu not suse :/
[02:09] <ivoks> Max: synaptic is application, works in every window manager
[02:09] <Max> ivoks, i cant find it here..
[02:10] <ivoks> Max: open terminal and enter synaptic
[02:10] <Max> ivoks, how do i run it. can u plz guide me/
[02:10] <ivoks> pardon, gksudo synaptic
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[02:10] <IIIEars> System >> Administration >> Synaptic package manager
[02:10] <ivoks> IIIEars: xfce
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[02:10] <IIIEars> uoh - lol
[02:10] <Max> ivoks,  how do i log as root?
[02:11] <ivoks> Max: gksudo synaptic
[02:11] <IIIEars> Max - sudo
[02:11] <raghu> Max: sudo bash
[02:11] <Max> great running
[02:11] <liable> chocoIate: you can see your modules that are needed, and copy the config files over
[02:11] <IIIEars> Root Sudo   -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:11] <djk1> Anyone know anything about my issue?
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: 16:9?
[02:12] <bjoern__> how can i enable java in openoffice?
[02:12] <djk1> well, just any sort of true fullscreen mode would be nice
[02:12] <djk1> right now the game starts up in, let's say 1024x768
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: you have 16:9 screen?
[02:12] <djk1> my laptop screen is 1400:1050
[02:12] <Max> ivoks, my tv card is not running here
[02:12] <djk1> ye
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: that's bios problem
[02:12] <djk1> oh?
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: for example
[02:12] <refuze2looze> has anybody compiled ScummVM from source?
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: i define this behavoir in bios
[02:13] <djk1> oh I see, so it's fixable?
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: but i have nvidia
[02:13] <djk1> ah right
[02:13] <djk1> what exactly do you define in the bios?
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: yeah... look in your bios
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: i don't recall egxact name
[02:13] <djk1> Hmmm..
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: but you can't miss it
[02:13] <djk1> Ok I'll have a look
[02:13] <djk1> Thanks
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: np
[02:13] <IIIEars> ivoks - look in the bios? - What do you look for?
[02:13] <djk1> maybe be back... :>
[02:14] <djk1> yeah I'm slightly confused about how the bios has anything to do with it
[02:14] <djk1> but willing to give it a go
[02:14] <ivoks> IIIEars: streaching 4:3 over 16:9 displays
[02:14] <ivoks> djk1: it's easy
[02:14] <djk1> k
[02:14] <djk1> going to try!
[02:14] <ivoks> djk1: laptop != desktop
[02:14] <ivoks> your VGA card is controled via bios
[02:14] <Max> anyone?? my floppy has a driver for linux of my tv card.. any idea how do i install it??
[02:15] <IIIEars> Not too sure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg owouldn't do that sounds like and xorg fix to me.
[02:15] <ivoks> IIIEars: it isn't
[02:15] <ivoks> Max: what card?
[02:15] <IIIEars> Hey i am new remember? - lol
[02:15] <Max> ivoks, its a TV card . mercury made
[02:16] <ivoks> Max: you have to be more spcific
[02:16] <Max> ivoks, a TV tuner card.
[02:16] <raghu> ivoks:it is TV tuner card
[02:16] <ivoks> wow
[02:16] <ivoks> :))
[02:16] <ivoks> i tought it's bycicle
[02:16] <Max> thankx raghu :))
[02:17] <raghu> Max: np
[02:17] <ivoks> Max: open terminal and run lspci in it
[02:17] <pushups> hm
[02:17] <Jormundgand> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263198 - This bug is annoying the heck out of me. It happens on ubuntuguide.org.
[02:17] <ivoks> it will tell you more than you apparenty know about ur computer
[02:17] <Max> ivoks, whats the command?
[02:17] <IIIEars> pushups - ?
[02:17] <ivoks> Max: then read from output tv card
[02:17] <ivoks> Max: lspci
[02:18] <IIIEars> ouch - It is a handy command.
[02:19] <Max> ivoks, i have no idea..
[02:19] <CorvusCorone> moin
[02:19] <ivoks> no?
[02:19] <ivoks> then i have no comment :)
[02:19] <Max> ivoks, when i entered lspci .. i got some output in the terminal
[02:20] <egg> Max:  and?
[02:20] <ivoks> Max: and that confuses u?
[02:20] <saber_>  # ssh remote_host "dd if=device bs=blocksize"| tar xvBf -
[02:20] <saber_> http://www.backupcentral.com/dd-conduit.html
[02:20] <djk1> There was no such option ivoks.
[02:20] <djk1> Back to square 1..
[02:20] <saber_> there we go
[02:20] <ivoks> djk1: no?
[02:20] <IIIEars> Max - Maybe i can turn something up. what model is it?
[02:20] <saber_> because dd can do stdin and stdout at the same time
[02:20] <djk1> When I start a game it starts in whatever resolution in the bottom left of the screen with black bars around the top and right
[02:21] <djk1> instead of using the whole screen
[02:21] <djk1> doesn't matter what resolution I pick in-game either.
[02:21] <ivoks> djk1: same thing for me, when I disable streching in bios
[02:21] <IIIEars> nice link saber :)
[02:21] <djk1> well there's no option in my bios
[02:21] <egg> dd-- dump,pipe...and so on
[02:21] <egg> old story
[02:21] <Max> IIIEars, hmm
[02:22] <trixsey> Hey
[02:22] <trixsey> Anyone around??
[02:22] <ivoks> djk1: then i don't know
[02:22] <ivoks> djk1: bottom line... linux doesn't control that
[02:22] <IIIEars> << - Google is this newbs new best friend. - grin
[02:22] <ivoks> djk1: your bios/vga card does
[02:22] <Max> IIIEars, PAL
[02:22] <ivoks> Max: that's not model
[02:22] <ivoks> Max: run lspci
[02:22] <trixsey> Anyone here good with ubuntu? I'm a nAAb needing some help with unloading a few modules
[02:23] <ivoks> Max: and read it's output
[02:23] <IIIEars> That is the broadcast standard type
[02:23] <trixsey> ivoks
[02:23] <ivoks> Max: you will see Video device or something like that there
[02:23] <ivoks> if that's too hard, then i don't know...
[02:23] <Max> plz dont mind
[02:23] <Max> 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadca st Decoder (rev 01)
[02:23] <ivoks> there... you see..
[02:24] <trixsey> :)
[02:24] <trixsey> Hello
[02:24] <ivoks> trixsey: ?
[02:24] <trixsey> I need help :(
[02:24] <ivoks> and slaping me will help you?
[02:24] <IIIEars> sudo lspci  will give you some info. i will google the model and we'll meet with a solution somewhere in the middle.
[02:24] <trixsey> Yes :)
[02:24] <ompaul> that be debian testing but you know that already
[02:24] <Max> ivoks, next?
[02:24] <ivoks> ompaul: yes
[02:24] <trixsey> I'm being cute with you, ivoks
[02:24] <trixsey> Seducing you
[02:24] <ivoks> sec...
[02:24] <ompaul> ivoks, kewl
[02:24] <ivoks> to help ompaul
[02:24] <ivoks> ompaul: it's very easy, in fact..
[02:25] <ompaul> ivoks, dist upgrade?
[02:25] <ivoks> ompaul: with tweaking :)
[02:25] <ompaul> k
[02:25] <Max> xfce4 is faster than GNOME i suppose...
[02:25] <ivoks> ompaul: you have to create /etc/apt/preferences
[02:25] <ivoks> ompaul: in it you have to have (on query):
[02:25] <andrew137> Hi there.  Had some problems with installing Ubuntu on AMD64 and found some fixes/workarounds for them.  Is there some easy way such as an e-mail address where I can submit it to the Ubuntu project?
[02:26] <Max> ivoks, to access MS Windows partition do i need to create any folder in linux ?
[02:26] <ivoks> ompaul: now enter repositories for hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <trixsey> andrew137, www.ubuntu.com? :p
[02:26] <Max> andrew137, what kind of problems??
[02:26] <ivoks> ompaul: and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <thenuke> Max: maybe like /mnt/windows  so you can then mount that windows partition into that directory
[02:27] <trixsey> thenuke, you good with Ubuntu?
[02:27] <thenuke> trixsey: depends on
[02:27] <andrew137> I've looked at the site, thanks.  There isn't an obvious link saying "Send any feedback to this address" and I have a lot to do, which is why I'm asking.  But if it's not valuable, that's no problem.
[02:27] <Max> thenuke, i am able to mount a NTFS partition.. but not a FAT32 partition.. but the partitions are not showing in linux
[02:27] <we2by> any one has skype installed?
[02:28] <andrew137> Max: It was mainly that Grub wouldn't work afterwards, so my system was unbootable
[02:28] <ompaul> ivoks, and a minor tweek of the sources.list :)
[02:28] <lqs> there's a script that auto mounts windows filesystems
[02:28] <ivoks> ompaul: but... remove sarge's repositorys
[02:28] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Anyone else get gnome-panel crashing when loading EasyTAG 1.99.3?
[02:28] <andrew137> There was a lot on Google about it.  But also it seemed that only ext2 was compiled directly into the default kernel (reiser and ext3 were modular), so it wouldn't boot unless the rootfs was ext2
[02:28] <ompaul> there is that
[02:28] <trixsey> I got an AC97 audio device, and the OSS that comes with Ubuntu doesnt work too well with it.  The older OSS modules are autoloading on boot
[02:29] <ivoks> Max: for your tv card to work, you have to do only "sudo modprobe saa7134"
[02:29] <IIIEars> Max - some sample xorg configs foer wide screen and dual monitorshttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26284.html
[02:29] <BockBilbo> what the command to switch the runlevel?
[02:29] <Max> ivoks, let me try
[02:29] <ivoks> trixsey: ubuntu uses alsa
[02:30] <lamp_> http://www.toey.de/link.php?id=5398
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: not OSS
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: OSS is crap
[02:30] <trixsey> ivoks, Alsa doesnt work for me at all either
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: ac97?
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: i'm sure it does, but you did some mistake
[02:30] <trixsey> I installed ubuntu 5 min ago
[02:30] <trixsey> And I didnt do shit, sound aint working :p
[02:30] <trixsey> Well, not 5 min ago... More like 20 min ago :p
[02:31] <trixsey> Theres not much I could've done wrong, as there aint much I have done :(
[02:31] <ivoks> trixsey: what sound chip?
[02:31] <IIIEars> trixey - alsa gave me some trouble. added too many plugins disabled the reverb, flanging etc extras and it came back to life.
[02:31] <trixsey> IIIEars, how do I do that?
[02:32] <ompaul> Get:35 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources [1142kB]
[02:32] <Max> ivoks, which s/x i will use to watch tv?
[02:32] <Max> ivoks,  i mean software
[02:32] <CorvusCorone> Someones here knows how to use esd or oss mixer with dolby surround? alsa doesn't work
[02:32] <IIIEars> Wow didn't see that you had only just installed it. - i am new so everything i do uses a GUI - XMMS for me is the easiest way "preferences"
[02:32] <ivoks> Max: zapping i guess
[02:33] <Max> ivoks, what about xawtv?
[02:33] <ivoks> Max: but i don't watch TV on computer... it sucks :)
[02:33] <ompaul> ivoks, today it costs me 122megs to move :) 959 upgraded, 108 newly installed, 38 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[02:33] <ivoks> Max: that too
[02:33] <ivoks> ompaul: i know, it's bitchy to do it
[02:33] <ivoks> ompaul: what are those 5 not upgraded?
[02:33] <ivoks> ompaul: mplayer and company? :)
[02:34] <andrew137> Got to go sorry.  I'll put my findings on a webpage and let Google find it.
[02:34] <IIIEars> trixey - with some apps (games mostly) typing sudo killall esd helped. - don't know if that will help you.
[02:34] <CorvusCorone> Someone knows whether ESD works with Dolby Surround?
[02:34] <trixsey> ivoks, its onboard intel soundcard
[02:34] <ivoks> trixsey: lol
[02:34] <trixsey> integrated in the mobo :p
[02:34] <ivoks> trixsey: that one works with ALSA
[02:34] <ivoks> trixsey: i have intel8x0 and alsa
[02:34] <ivoks> and esd
[02:34] <jind> Can anybody tell me how to set up xorg so that I can choose from 60Hz and 85Hz refresh-rates?
[02:35] <ivoks> and can play games without killing esd
[02:35] <trixsey> hmph
[02:35] <ompaul> ivoks, most likely well the way I look at it, my wife wanted me to move this box to ubuntu, my father in law wants me to give him better tech support and wanted to change
[02:35] <ivoks> i can even have multiple apps playing in the same time :)
[02:35] <trixsey> ivoks, it did actually work now
[02:35] <trixsey> LOL
[02:35] <trixsey> I didnt do anything
[02:35] <trixsey> I dont get it
[02:35] <egg> ivoks:  lol
[02:35] <CorvusCorone> Does someone here know whether ESD works with dolby surround ?!
[02:35] <IIIEars> ivoks - true enough. - likely i haven't read enough.
[02:36] <ivoks> trixsey: alsa is muted by default
[02:36] <ranma> I just recently install ubuntu, but I am having a bit of trouble
[02:36] <trixsey> it is?
[02:36] <ivoks> trixsey: that's why you tought it doesn't work
[02:36] <trixsey> ivoks, it works with eSound now
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> heelo ?!
[02:36] <trixsey> Should I use Alsa instead? Because alsa says it cant find my soundcard
[02:36] <IIIEars> trixey - great :)
[02:36] <ranma> My mouse tends to pause from time to time for just a bit
[02:36] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: esd doesn't work with dolby
[02:36] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: esd is just a soundserver
[02:36] <Max> IIIEars, whats ur solution??
[02:36] <ranma> I have a Dell I8100
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> hm
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> but alsa does?
[02:36] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: ALSA works
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> and alsa doesn't work at mine
[02:37] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: and ESD uses ALSA :)
[02:37] <ompaul> ivoks, what is really killing me is I am currently torrenting ubuntu-5.04-live.i386.iso and ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso :-)
[02:37] <CorvusCorone> but alsa doesn't work at mine
[02:37] <trixsey> eSound works for me, ALSA doesnt :(
[02:37] <ivoks> ompaul: well, don't :)
[02:37] <egg> ivoks:  umm
[02:37] <CorvusCorone> trixsey: the same like me
[02:37] <egg> ivoks:  multi stream mix
[02:37] <ivoks> trixsey: don't say that to someone, it will laugh at you whole week
[02:37] <IIIEars> Max - i posted a sample xorg  configurations http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26284.html
[02:37] <CorvusCorone> when i go in the multimedia-system and chose alsa for output and test it, there is an error message
[02:37] <trixsey> ivoks, Your saying eSound is built on ALSA or something like that? :p
[02:38] <trixsey> lol
[02:38] <trixsey> im a nAAB dont be so mean
[02:38] <ivoks> trixsey: it's like saying, my car is working, but my motor in it isn't
[02:38] <IIIEars> Max (crosses fingers)
[02:38] <trixsey> lol :p
[02:38] <pushups> why would dhcp work on debian but not on ubuntu
[02:38] <nern> hey
[02:38] <pushups> for a pc
[02:38] <pushups> anyone?
[02:38] <nern> do i need to fix something to enable my cd burner to burn faster
[02:38] <mbd> is there is something like synaptic for windows to install open source programs from net ?
[02:38] <nern> it burns so slow
[02:38] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Where should I post to request a bugfix update?
[02:38] <egg> ivoks:  I can play many sounds at the same time
[02:38] <nern> no
[02:38] <ivoks> pushups: human error, dhclient is same in ubuntu and debian
[02:38] <nern> thast why you use linux
[02:38] <ivoks> egg: great :) me too
[02:38] <ompaul> pushups, try 'sudo dhclient' it may help
[02:39] <nern> for stuff like synaptic and the wonderful package management
[02:39] <egg> ivoks:  so... nothing to say...
[02:39] <pushups> Im just talking in CD install
[02:39] <pushups> ubuntu gives error
[02:39] <pushups> debian just lets me surf net
[02:39] <pushups> what is sudo
[02:39] <ivoks> :))
[02:39] <IIIEars> pushups - it worked for me first time on three different machines.
[02:39] <pushups> I thought thats somethign with root
[02:39] <pushups> or something
[02:39] <ivoks> dhcp is very simple protocol
[02:39] <pushups> really?
[02:39] <pushups> on 5.04?
[02:39] <rixth> How do I add new resolutions to X?
[02:39] <ivoks> you are doing something wrong :)
[02:39] <pushups> or earlier
[02:39] <nern> oh god
[02:39] <egg> ivoks:  3 secs question of google
[02:39] <nern> im out of here
[02:39] <Max> IIIEars, that was not my prob...:)) i had prob with TV
[02:39] <ivoks> egg: ?
[02:39] <ubermonzie> helps you execute a command as superuser , pushups
[02:40] <pushups> ok
[02:40] <egg> google esound
[02:40] <IIIEars> pushups - Root Sudo   -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:40] <pushups> but when i tried it ubuntu dhcp complained
[02:40] <ivoks> pushups: well, about what?
[02:40] <pushups> dhcp is issue not sudo
[02:40] <IIIEars> Max - your games didn't fill the screen?
[02:40] <pushups> said cant find server and gave some domain option
[02:40] <rixth> How do I add new resolutions to X? I know it's dpkg-reconfigure but I don't kno0w the package na,e
[02:40] <Max> IIIEars, nope that was not me??
[02:40] <pushups> during CD install
[02:40] <pushups> on a pc
[02:41] <ivoks> pushups: then you don't have DHCP server on that network
[02:41] <IIIEars> Max - Could you FAX me some more coffee?
[02:41] <ivoks> pushups: debian and ubuntu have same installer
[02:41] <egg> pushups:  good luck ^^
[02:41] <ompaul> pushups, sudo is something that you need to be good to, as it is good to you, it is the way you start root based command line programs no more of this su - rubbish [extreme joke]  :)  you type sudo command-name +arguements and you pass your password to the machine when requested and away you go
[02:41] <pushups> I do cuz when i rebotoed with debian cd and let debian install i was surfin web
[02:41] <ivoks> pushups: if you installed debian 3 weeks ago, then dhcp server worked, not it doesn't
[02:41] <Max> ivoks, what sudo modprobe saa7134 is for??
[02:41] <pushups> today a4 4pm
[02:41] <IIIEars> sorry... :/
[02:41] <pushups> yesterday rather
[02:41] <egg> pushups:  nice try ^^
[02:41] <ivoks> Max: man modprobe
[02:41] <pushups> friday
[02:41] <trixsey> I got another prob tho, I just installed MPlayer and it wont even run... I installed MPlayer on another distro and it worked just fine.... I just ran my moves with '/installdir/mplayer' -zoom
[02:42] <pushups> II have enterprise redaht 3
[02:42] <egg> pushups:  tuxer lol
[02:42] <pushups> I dont like it
[02:42] <pushups> it says use GUI in the config files
[02:42] <HostingGeek> pushups: I have Ubuntu Breezy
[02:42] <HostingGeek> And I love it!
[02:42] <ivoks> pushups: belive me, dhclient works in ubuntu
[02:42] <pushups> that means exporting X to home base from Quest
[02:42] <ompaul> pushups, friday 4pm is 21:42 ago
[02:42] <ivoks> pushups: start searching for problem somewhere else
[02:42] <pushups> perhaps its the newest release that emssed up
[02:42] <pushups> 504?
[02:42] <IIIEars> Congrats HostingGeek!
[02:42] <ivoks> pushups: man, u suck
[02:43] <pushups> ok
[02:43] <pushups> thanks for thatm but let me ask this, is ubuntu mainly command line for configs or does it have gui, cuz when gui is needed it can be a liability at times when u have a box at a data center
[02:43] <Jormundgand> Ubuntu Breezy is for me for the most part usable once you overcome the font problems. The volume control for some reason doesn't display ALSA devices so I can't turn down the volume from the default "deafening" on my headphones, but that's about it.
[02:43] <HostingGeek> IIIEars: Until... I do something stupid like upgrade the libs...
[02:43] <IIIEars> ivoks - relax - this is the Ubuntu irc not debian. - smile and pour yourself some coffee.
[02:44] <ivoks> :))
[02:44] <ubermonzie> can someone help me with a problem in apt-get
[02:44] <egg> LFS too
[02:44] <ubermonzie> ??
[02:44] <soulblighter> man
[02:44] <HostingGeek> IIIEars: Don't say that he might be a kid
[02:44] <egg> nothing to say... -_-
[02:44] <HostingGeek> You don't want to stop his growth....
[02:44] <soulblighter> I wante to use ubuntu
[02:44] <soulblighter> but the damn dhcp
[02:44] <soulblighter> oh well
[02:44] <IIIEars> uuHostingGeek - can you help pushups with DHCP?
[02:44] <ivoks> pusling: every linux distro can be controled via console
[02:44] <soulblighter> what are commadn lines to config netowking in ubuntu
[02:44] <_hp_> ubermonzie: don't ask to ask, just ask
[02:44] <soulblighter> ?
[02:44] <ivoks> pusling: EVERY
[02:45] <ivoks> pusling: gui tools are only wrappers for text editing
[02:45] <IIIEars> perl script is blighting my xchat. - grin
[02:45] <ubermonzie> aptt-get update has been giving me lots of  strange problems lately... one of them is "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"
[02:45] <oDysseas> hey all, so how do I get firefox 1.0.4 from apt? I'm trying to change firefox's theme but mozilla.org says I cant go to the themes page until I upgrade to 1.0.4.
[02:45] <pusling> ivoks: huh ?
[02:45] <egg> I have made more 3 cup of coffee?  uh....
[02:45] <egg> today
[02:45] <_hp_> oDysseas: it's not avaible there yet, go to getfirefox.com and download
[02:45] <ubermonzie> i cant install eterm, even though it is there
[02:45] <ivoks> pusling: sorry :)
[02:45] <oDysseas> ok _hp_ thanks
[02:46] <ompaul> ivoks I find that playing this makes life better<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-17 10:36 Desktop/Ubuntu Stuff/ubuntu-jingle.ogg
[02:46] <ivoks> ompaul: i don't have that ogg :)
[02:46] <oDysseas> and another thing, if I compile my own kernel will there be problems with ubuntu?
[02:46] <egg> URI please
[02:46] <egg> o.o
[02:46] <_hp_> oDysseas: not if you do it right
[02:46] <Max> gosh why am i trying so hard to watch tv on comp???
[02:47] <oDysseas> _hp_: when you say right, is there a special procedure for ubuntu, or is it the same?
[02:47] <ubermonzie> has there been some problems in the Ubuntu repositories of late?
[02:48] <ubermonzie> there are lots of errors from us.archive.ubuntu.com and ftp.marillat.net
[02:48] <theD3viL> How can i mount cdrom with win-1250 encoding?
[02:48] <pusling> ubermonzie: is marillat a ubuntu repository ?
[02:48] <jtm> Help! What does "Could not initialize HAL!" mean? Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary)
[02:49] <mbd> where i found other Hardisks
[02:49] <oDysseas> theD3viL: try -t auto
[02:49] <ivoks> this is too much for me :)
[02:49] <theD3viL> oDysseas, k
[02:49] <jtm> And how can I fix it?
[02:49] <egg> theD3viL:  find m$ codepage list
[02:50] <theD3viL> oDysseas, dont work :S
[02:50] <theD3viL> egg, codepage list?
[02:50] <oDysseas> theD3viL: sorry I missunderstood
[02:50] <Bramme> is there any way to open the website www.kwvbv.be with any browser under ubuntu ?
[02:50] <jtm> What is Hal?
[02:50] <egg> in m$ homepage....some where
[02:50] <jtm> I cannot login. Gnome just crashes so I have a hard time googling it too..
[02:51] <jtm> Can it be fixed? Which package is it?
[02:51] <egg> jtm:  a "standrad"
[02:51] <ubermonzie> its needed for someother things pusling
[02:51] <jtm> Hal is a standard. Alright. Any suggestion how to fix this?
[02:51] <theD3viL> egg, you think this: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/unicode/cscp.htm ?
[02:52] <egg> not sure
[02:52] <egg> I must to find it in my bookmarks
[02:52] <pusling> ubermonzie: can't you do something to choose ubuntu over marillat if it is possible ?
[02:52] <theD3viL> egg, please...
[02:52] <egg> I am lazy
[02:53] <theD3viL> egg, please i need it
[02:53] <egg> (call zuru to help theD3viL ...)
[02:53] <egg> help~~~~~~~~~~
[02:53] <theD3viL> zuru ?
[02:53] <egg> linux master
[02:54] <theD3viL> eh..
[02:54] <theD3viL> :S
[02:54] <ubermonzie> i am unable to understand you pusling
[02:54] <egg> ---- master yoda
[02:54] <egg> help~~~~~~~~~
[02:54] <Kingmilo> silly question, but how do i update my ubuntu system with the changes i made in:  ~/.bashrc & ~/.profile     ?
[02:55] <egg> theD3viL:  Do you have recompiled your kernel?
[02:56] <trixsey> Everyone! Which DC++ Client with a GUI is in your opinion the best? :)
[02:56] <pusling> ubermonzie: read about apt-preferences
[02:56] <ubermonzie> thanks, pusling
[02:56] <theD3viL> egg, yes, why ?
[02:56] <egg> answer in it
[02:57] <theD3viL> i didnt compiled it.. i just install the newest
[02:57] <egg> oh try and error
[02:57] <lunarknight> OH NO! I accidentally typed mv * ... instead of mv * ..      where did my files go?
[02:57] <trixsey> ivoks, you using DC++?
[02:58] <egg> lunarknight:  $ls -al|less
[03:00] <lunarknight> they're gone T_T
[03:01] <egg> files 1+ 2+ 3    ->  ... file?
[03:01] <lunarknight> found them!
[03:01] <egg> oh my
[03:01] <lunarknight> yeah in the ... file lol
[03:01] <ranma> Just recently installed ubuntu, but am having some mouse troubles, very frustrating
[03:01] <lunarknight> it was a folder
[03:01] <egg> good lession
[03:01] <lunarknight> yeah ^^
[03:02] <trixsey> Anyone here into DC++?
[03:02] <ranma> I can't seem to determine what may be causing it, but it seems like preiodically the system just misses mouse events
[03:02] <trixsey> or DCTC or DC-QT or anything like DC-related?
[03:02] <egg> lunarknight:  this is for you -> http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html
[03:03] <egg> nice oh
[03:03] <jason__> how do I open up the programming windows of apache?
[03:04] <jason__> how do i open apache?
[03:04] <Chislon> how does ubuntu compare when people are talkinga bout debian
[03:05] <egg> base on debian
[03:05] <trixsey> I think its built on debian core?
[03:05] <trixsey> yeah
[03:05] <jason__> does anyone know how to open apache on ubuntu?
[03:05] <egg> go away from #debain ppl
[03:05] <trixsey> ?? :p
[03:06] <egg> new castle ^^
[03:06] <Chislon> so it would be pretty close or similiar to what they are talking about then when they speak of debian?
[03:06] <egg> I am more and more like here
[03:06] <pusling> jason__: /etc/init.d/apache start ?
[03:07] <jason__> pusling, why wouldnt apache be readily available on the desktop?
[03:07] <IIIEars> Debian is the foundation. - Ubuntu is the the one distro where everything just worked Screen, Ethernet, USB, Printers Everything
[03:08] <egg> umm
[03:08] <egg> good define
[03:08] <pusling> jason__: apache is a web server. Servers do not have desktops
[03:09] <egg> who say that?
[03:09] <jason__> pusling, but they DO have interfaces where you can program them right?
[03:09] <jason__> pusling, because what good would they be if they couldnt do anything you told them to?
[03:10] <jason__> pusling, you 'program' them with commands, so where do i put them in? also, whre is the php interface?
[03:12] <pusling> jason__: you install php and put your php-files in /var/www or you set apache up to serve pages from ~/public_html and put your php files here.
[03:12] <IIIEars> jason__ - apache config - it's a bit of a challenge but not too difficult. - you can often test your server using http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80 in your browser.
[03:13] <IIIEars> jason__ - backup your system php isn't very secure.
[03:14] <jason__> IIIEars, this is so stupid....why dont they just have a shortcut in the Applications menu called 'programing,' and have the php and apache and perl right there????
[03:14] <IIIEars> "Mondo" is what i use.
[03:14] <IIIEars> jason__ - It would be nice.
[03:14] <pusling> jason__: I think you should start reading a book with a title like "beginning apache and php"
[03:15] <IIIEars> Wow - is this #Ubuntu?
[03:15] <oDysseas> jason__: you would still need to edit apache.conf, the shortcut would be something like sudo gedit apache.conf, you can make it yourself if you want
[03:15] <jason__> pusling, it wouldnt matter if i cant to the programming interface
[03:16] <pusling> jason__: there is no programming interface. It just parse your script files. Use your favorit editor (vim/gedit/kate/emacs/ed/vigor/
[03:16] <PhantomFreak> Does anyone have an idea how to cut down initrd.gz to around 300k
[03:17] <pusling> PhantomFreak: remove some modules
[03:17] <IIIEars> smeg "simple menu editor for gnome" will make adding it graphical.
[03:17] <oDysseas> use less modules?
[03:18] <PhantomFreak> That was what I was planning! Does anyone know a good editor for it though?
[03:18] <IIIEars> !ubotu apache
[03:18] <ubotu> it has been said that apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual
[03:18] <PhantomFreak> Cos it's part-compiled!
[03:19] <pusling> PhantomFreak: rm ?
[03:19] <IIIEars> !ubotu apache manual
[03:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, apache manual is http://localhost/doc/apache/manual/index.html.html, or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/
[03:19] <jason__> pusling, then why does susie have this neat little shortcut in their Applications menu bar called "programming," and you can program in apache, php, and perl right out of the box??
[03:19] <pusling> jason__: I don't know anything about suse.
[03:20] <PhantomFreak> rm is the delete command!  You can remove contents of it. unzip it, use rm, mkinitrd
[03:22] <oDysseas> jason__: they might have a front end, but it still edits the apache.conf
[03:23] <jason__> oDysseas,but why jump through hoops? why not have it the way susie has it, with the easy programming interface for all of lamp??
[03:23] <jason__> this is really stupid
[03:23] <PhantomFreak> I know it was compressed! I've already extracted it! But the file apears to be part-compiled and I'm trying to figure out how to edit it!
[03:23] <IIIEars> www.apache-gui.com/apacheconf/
[03:23] <oDysseas> jason__: probably because editing the .conf file gives you more control
[03:24] <jason__> okay, thats the first intelligetn thing that camer out this room
[03:24] <IIIEars> lol - more control - i always get lost in the modules. - grin
[03:25] <oDysseas> IIIEars: well having more control has its disadvantages
[03:26] <oDysseas> jason__: if you like suse better then why not use it, if you want to have it ported to ubuntu try to implement it yourself or email a dev, arguing here wont get you anywhere
[03:27] <oDysseas> I mean the gui tool for configuring apache
[03:27] <jnoreiko> does anyone know why azureus might breaky my adsl connection? could my ISP have some sort of throttle system?
[03:27] <thenuke> jnoreiko: or do you just upload as fast as your connection allows? that will for sure lag your adsl
[03:27] <oDysseas> jnoreiko: maybe your modem cant deal with the many connections
[03:28] <oDysseas> try setting a smaller number for the connections allowed
[03:28] <offival> Emm... To what file I must apply the patch for this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11389
[03:28] <jnoreiko> it's 400 at the moment. what's a reasonable number?
[03:28] <oDysseas> jnoreiko: try 100
[03:28] <IIIEars> oDysseas - linux is awesome. - Open enough to be what you want it to be. - strange as it sounds it's also a responsibility to improve and share what you know.
[03:29] <oDysseas> IIIEars: thats the whole meaning of open source
[03:30] <crouton> howdy folks
[03:30] <IIIEars> An amazing concept. Windows can't compete with it.
[03:30] <geoffday> hello for the first time
[03:30] <jason__> okay, since you fellas are apache experts, riddle me this: is apache just an internal web server, or can others view your information?
[03:30] <pusling> jason__: both ;)
[03:31] <crouton> define 'others view your information'
[03:31] <jnoreiko> it's a web server... depends how your network is set up AFAIK
[03:31] <pusling> depends on your configuration
[03:31] <jason__> pusling, so if i am on a workgroup, someone outside of my workgroup can view it?
[03:31] <HostingGeek> levin: are you here?
[03:32] <crouton> if you configure apache to only work on 'internal interfaces'...
[03:32] <pusling> jason__: depends on your network configuration
[03:32] <lynam> anyone know a good web site or book to learn linux?
[03:32] <IIIEars> Bought a new $$ box in january still spend most of my time (except for gaming) on this old tired 1.5g machine. - rofl
[03:32] <johan_> if i wanna make an hd mounted all time
[03:32] <johan_> do i need to edit fstab
[03:32] <pusling> johan_: yes
[03:32] <jason__> pusling, well i am on a workgroup
[03:32] <crouton> johan_ : yup
[03:32] <johan_> thanks
[03:32] <anto9us> jason__: provided you internet gateway is configured to feed port 80 to your web server, the outside world will see it
[03:33] <crouton> jason__: you can configure apache to only accept connections from certain IP ranges
[03:33] <crouton> e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>/254
[03:33] <jason__> how can i test if others can see it?how do i try to get to it from the outside?
[03:34] <crouton> what's your external IP?
[03:34] <anto9us> jason__: by using a machine outside your network
[03:34] <pusling> what is your ip? Then I can try visit it
[03:34] <oDysseas> jason__: what does http://localhost show you?
[03:34] <IIIEars> jason__ - Maybe you can google search your internet ip address?
[03:35] <crouton> quick question for you guys - I added the hoary-backports and hoary-extras lines to the apt/sources.list.. now I can't get kernel-package.  Any ideas why?
[03:35] <dooglus> jason__: go to http://canyouseeme.org/ , put '80' into the box, hit return
[03:37] <jason__> dooglus, nope
[03:38] <IIIEars> jason__ - I am pretty sure you can add html code to a page to google search your site.
[03:38] <dooglus> jason__: you asked how to check availability from outside, i told you how.  "nope" doesn't make sense as a next step in the discussion
[03:38] <dooglus> IIIEars: google doesn't find new pages immediately
[03:38] <dooglus> IIIEars: it takes a while for them to get around to indexing you
[03:39] <anto9us> jason__: you need to configure your network firewall/router to forward outside requests to port 80 to your machine that runs apache
[03:39] <IIIEars> Ah, Okay.
[03:39] <dooglus> anto9us: he wants to know how to test whether his server is visible...  http://canyouseeme.org exists for just that kind of thing
[03:40] <ubermonzie> what is apt-get?
[03:40] <jason__> so, the apache editor is etc/apache2.conf?
[03:40] <anto9us> dooglus: yes, I'm guessing he's not yet routed it though :)
[03:40] <dooglus> ubermonzie: it is a command line program for installing software.  the command line equivalent of the synaptic package manager, if you like
[03:40] <crouton> apt-get is a package maintenance utility
[03:40] <pusling> ubermonzie: the program 'synaptic' uses to install programs. synaptic is a graphical apt-get frontend
[03:41] <dooglus> anto9us: I'm guessing he doesn't know much about what he's doing.
[03:41] <anto9us> dooglus: :)
[03:41] <dooglus> anto9us: he wants a menu entry to edit perl?
[03:41] <pusling> and to program apache
[03:41] <jason__> dooglus, yes...everyone else has it
[03:41] <dooglus> jason__: no, they don't.
[03:41] <anto9us> jason__: no they don't
[03:42] <pusling> dooglus: I don't
[03:42] <crouton> anybody here use the hoary-backports/hoary-extras sources and know where I can find 'kernel-package'?
[03:42] <jason__> dooglus, susie has this called programming and so does debian
[03:42] <dooglus> jason__: what would this menu entry to edit perl do exactly?
[03:42] <crouton> SuSE. not Susie. :)
[03:42] <pusling> jason__: not my debian. And it is pretty standard
[03:42] <jason__> pusling, are you running sid?
[03:43] <dooglus> I have a menu entry called 'programming' in ubuntu.  In it is "GNU Emacs", which makes sense, since GNU Emacs is what I use when I'm programming.
[03:43] <dooglus> perl and php aren't used to write programs, they're used to run programs.
[03:43] <lok> nooooooo not emacs
[03:43] <pusling> jason__: sarge, sid, experimental, little of each
[03:43] <dooglus> editors are used to write programs
[03:43] <derda> hello. how can i give me an ip adresse....not automaticaly
[03:43] <pusling> dooglus: do you have 8 fingers on each hand, since you use emacs </flame>
[03:44] <dooglus> pusling: no, there's no need, really
[03:44] <lok> pusling: no he has time
[03:44] <johan_> how do i give access to mounted hd to users
[03:44] <jason__> dooglus, so where is your programming on your menu?
[03:44] <lok> lisp is soooooooooooo fast :p
[03:44] <johan_> now only can access
[03:44] <anto9us> derda: switch your network settings from dhcp to static then enter an ip address, netmask and gateway applicable to your network
[03:44] <crouton> derda - you mean you want a static IP address?
[03:44] <pusling> lok: ^5
[03:44] <dooglus> lok: lisp is fast enough to keep up with my typing...  i don't need it any faster
[03:44] <pusling> johan_: what kind of fs ?
[03:45] <dooglus> jason__: under 'applications' I have 'programming'.
[03:45] <crouton> johan - probably need to check your /etc/fstab if you have it mounted in there.. see if 'nouser' is assigned
[03:45] <lok> use xemacs and ... f34r
[03:45] <johan_> i edited fstab
[03:46] <jason__> dooglas, not on mine
[03:46] <johan_> fs?
[03:46] <dooglus> jason__: it only appears if you install any programming tools, I guess
[03:46] <pusling> johan_: file system
[03:46] <jason__> dooglas, it should be here right out of the box
[03:46] <crouton> johan_, fs == filesystem. ext2, ext3, etc
[03:46] <dooglus> jason__: even gcc isn't here right out of the box...
[03:46] <johan_> ext3 sorry
[03:47] <pusling> johan_: then rights to the file system is in the filesystem
[03:47] <dooglus> jason__: I don't think ubuntu is targeted at programmers right out the box - but you can install programming tools if you want ti
[03:47] <dooglus> want to
[03:47] <johan_> not sure i get it
[03:47] <jason__> dooglas, then who is ubuntu targetted to?
[03:47] <ubermonzie> yeah dooglus , it actually is
[03:47] <dooglus> ubermonzie: gcc?
[03:48] <ubermonzie> home end users. jason__
[03:48] <ubermonzie> Not sure abt that dooglus , but i had to install glade on my own
[03:48] <ubermonzie> its a default option in every GNOME distro
[03:48] <crouton> johan_, are you sure that the files on that HD have the proper permissions to allow your other users to read them?
[03:49] <jason__> ubermonizie, so where can i find 'programming' in the package manager?
[03:49] <johan_> its an old hd that i wanna use its full files that the user should access on regular basis
[03:49] <dooglus> ubermonzie: I'm not sure I understand your "it actually is" statement.  what actually is what?
[03:50] <morris> how does one go about installing ubuntu to SATA?
[03:50] <pusling> jason__: 'programming' is not a application, just like 'word processor isn\'t'
[03:50] <ubermonzie> it actually is targeted towards home-users
[03:50] <crouton> johan_, so have you changed the files or the users' permissions so they can access the files?
[03:51] <IIIEars> Anyone still looking for an easy apache install? - check out xitami. - basic but nice.
[03:51] <thenuke> 'build-essentials' is a metapackage which then install gcc, make and so on
[03:51] <johan_> letr me check
[03:51] <thenuke> or is it.. I might have mixed up some distros now :D
[03:52] <IIIEars> thenuke - build-essentials sounds right.
[03:52] <IIIEars> !ubotu build-essentials
[03:52] <ubotu> IIIEars: Wish i knew
[03:53] <anto9us> ubermonzie: I think ubuntu is for everyone from home users to educatational establishments to businesses and on both the desktop and server platforms
[03:53] <thenuke> IIIEars: it was build-essential..  without that last s
[03:53] <HostingGeek> !ubotu bot?
[03:53] <ubotu> I ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
[03:53] <anto9us> ^educational, trust me to spell that wrong :P
[03:53] <HostingGeek> o.0
[03:54] <thenuke> !ubotu build-essential
[03:54] <ubotu> thenuke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:55] <jason__> in suse, what i am talking about is called bluefish
[03:55] <crouton> does apt-get have more 'source' files than just sources.list?
[03:55] <IIIEars> !ubotu build-essential is http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[03:55] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[03:55] <pusling> crouton: no
[03:55] <Jormundgand> You know, it would make far more sense to try looking in Synaptic rather than trying to extract information from a bot.
[03:55] <pusling> jason__: then you can install bluefish from synaptic, I guess
[03:55] <crouton> pusling - so why would it ask me to put in the Ubuntu CD if there's no CD entry in sources.list?
[03:56] <jason__> pusling, have you ever used it?
[03:56] <HostingGeek> !ubotu IIIEars is one of ubotu's teachers
[03:56] <ubotu> HostingGeek: I think you lost me on that one
[03:56] <IIIEars> << - lol - "Terminally lazy (nerd humor)
[03:56] <pusling> crouton: have you updated synapcit / apt-get update
[03:56] <HostingGeek> !ubotu IIIEars is one of my teachers
[03:56] <ubotu> okay, HostingGeek
[03:56] <crouton> pusling, yes
[03:56] <HostingGeek> !ubotu IIIEars
[03:56] <ubotu> iiiears is, like, one of my teachers
[03:56] <crouton> let me check synpatic, might be some old cruft in there
[03:56] <HostingGeek> It worked!!
[03:56] <pusling> jason__: no. But bluefish is in my debian package
[03:57] <Jormundgand> HostingGeek: </novelty>
[03:57] <pusling> ...as a package...
[03:57] <anto9us> hehe
[03:57] <morris> !ubuntu sata
[03:57] <ubotu> morris: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:57] <morris> ;p
[03:57] <jason__> pusling, thats what i have been referring to all along
[03:57] <bubblesort> hi
[03:57] <crouton> pusling, synpatic still had the Ubuntu Hoary binary CD entry.. but sources.list never did. do they keep files separate?
[03:57] <HostingGeek> Jormundgand: this isn't jabber where everything is in XML markup
[03:57] <pusling> jason__: then why didn't you start saying it? But it is in ubuntu http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bluefish&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[03:57] <crouton> hi bubblesort
[03:58] <pusling> crouton: They shouldn't.
[03:58] <Jormundgand> HostingGeek: THE WORLD IS WRITTEN IN XML.
[03:58] <jason__> pusling, i couldnt think of the name LOL
[03:59] <anto9us> Jormundgand: oh what a dream, if only it were so <sigh>
[03:59] <hyso> How do I start X applications as a diferent user of who is logged in gnome?
[03:59] <crouton> pusling, I tried to do 'apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package' and it asked for the CD.  I removed the CD entry from synaptic, and now it's grabbing it from the websites.
[03:59] <HostingGeek> !ubotu Jormundgand is blinded by XML
[03:59] <ubotu> HostingGeek: okay
[03:59] <crouton> heh
 "Hello World!" </xml> ?
[04:00] <crouton> hyso - you mean like root?
[04:01] <hyso> crouton, for example but, in this case it is not root
[04:01] <Chislon> hello
[04:01] <crouton> hi chislon
[04:01] <anto9us> hi :)
[04:01] <IIIEars> Good Morning chislon
[04:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu hello is Good Bye
[04:01] <ubotu> ...but hello is already something else...
[04:01] <jason__> where is the bluefish app in ubuntu?
[04:01] <HostingGeek> muwhahahahahahahaha
[04:01] <epl> hyso: I guess the simplest way is to use sux
[04:01] <Chislon> im not sure what to do, not sure if i should go with ubuntu linux or freesbd..
[04:01] <pusling> jason__: universe
[04:02] <crouton> hyso - you could probably do something like 'sudo user application &'
[04:02] <hyso> crouton, I know how to do sudo and su
[04:02] <anto9us> Chislon: what do you want to do with it?
[04:02] <crouton> alrighty then
[04:02] <IIIEars> HostingGeek be nice to ubotu - newbie bot. - lol
[04:02] <hyso> but with X apps it says conection refused by X server
[04:03] <epl> hyso: sux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
[04:03] <bubblesort> a friend of mine is fed up with his windows and wants to check linux out. I'm using gentoo linux, but I don't want to advise him to use that, since it is not well suited for beginners. Moreover, he does not have an internet connection. My Question is, how many package are needed in addition to the install cd to have a proper system.
[04:03] <crouton> bubblesort: Ubuntu Live CD. :)
[04:03] <jason__> pusling, universe?
[04:03] <hyso> epl, oh, and is not there a way to do it only with su?
[04:03] <hyso> it is posible on redhat based distros...
[04:04] <pusling> jason__: yes. universe
[04:04] <epl> hyso: well, you could do "xhost +"
[04:04] <Chislon> anto9us, well i want to learn python, asi hear its a good starting language, and i was told that tools for it that would cost money in windows are free in linux, and also then in freebsd, i want to get into programming and graphics, like with blender3d, however i think i may also get Flash MX to do those kinda cartoons and games, unless there is a linux type equivalent for those types of things, as flash mx is windows, but crossov
[04:04] <Chislon> er does it, but im not goign to pay for corssover
[04:04] <epl> hyso: to allow anything to connect to your X server.
[04:04] <hyso> epl, yes
[04:05] <anto9us> Chislon: All of that can be done on Ubuntu and is fairly easy to set up
[04:05] <Chislon> freebsd sounds like it may be a bit more secure, and its port system sounds really nice
[04:05] <bubblesort> crouton: I don't want to download it, I'd rather prefer a package list of the life cd.
[04:05] <IIIEars> !ubotu Install Nvidia Graphics Driver is http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:05] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[04:05] <epl> hyso: but remember then that anything can connect (and if you allow tcp connections to your X server anyone can even connect remotely), so it is not very secure
[04:05] <Chislon> which makes it sound easier to use port and stuff
[04:06] <epl> hyso: you could also use xauth to add authorization in a more secure way
[04:06] <crouton> bubblesort - Well, you can get the CDs sent to an address... just check the ubuntu.com frontpage
[04:06] <hyso> epl, I am not really concerned about security
[04:06] <crouton> bubblesort, Live CD is a great way to showcase Linux without getting rid of whatever is on the HD.  Testdrive it, etc.
[04:06] <epl> hyso: then "xhost +" will be sufficient :)
[04:07] <anto9us> Chislon: I think freebsd is more of a server platform than a desktop one, compared to ubuntu
[04:07] <hyso> epl, ok thanks!
[04:07] <Chislon> well what is it that makes the difference between those?
[04:07] <IIIEars> !ubotu Palm Devices is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configurepalmosdevices
[04:07] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:08] <Jormundgand> !ubotu libpr0n is http://www.libpr0n.org
[04:08] <ubotu> ...but libpr0n is already something else...
[04:08] <Jormundgand> !ubotu libpr0n
[04:08] <ubotu> I guess libp0rn is at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/libimage/libpr0n.html
[04:08] <anto9us> Chislon: to be honest, I have no experience of freebsd other than what I've read
[04:08] <Dackel> I have a question
[04:09] <Jormundgand> Dackel: That's nice of you, hope someone answers it.
[04:09] <crouton> Chislon: FreeBSD can work as a desktop system, but it's mainly oriented towards lean & secure server environments
[04:09] <Dackel> How ist after the install the root-password
[04:09] <Chislon> anto9us, ok well waht is it about ubuntu that makes it more desktop friendly then say more server related linux distros
[04:09] <crouton> !ubotu root password
[04:09] <ubotu> crouton: I give up, what is it?
[04:09] <Dackel> my english is very bad
[04:09] <crouton> heh
[04:09] <johan_> i'm old mdk user whats the equivalent for configuration in ubuntu
[04:09] <anto9us> Chislon: It's very pretty :)
[04:10] <Chislon> anto9us, is that it? and how is it any prettier then anything else that uses gnome or kde?
[04:10] <crouton> Dackel: root is sorta disabled.. you use sudo from your current user to perform root actions
[04:10] <Dackel> thanky, bye
[04:10] <crouton> johan_: mdk?
[04:10] <IIIEars> !ubotu Configure Networking is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configurenetworkconnections
[04:10] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:11] <johan_> whats the equivalent of drakeconf in ubuntu