[16:48]  * Kenny_Meyer is away: is currently away
[16:49] <nhandler> Kenny_Meyer: Please disable your away script
[16:50] <Kenny_Meyer> Not allowed?
[16:51] <nhandler> Kenny_Meyer: Not really. Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:51] <Kenny_Meyer> I'm sorry
[16:51] <Kenny_Meyer> switched off
[16:52] <nhandler> :)
[17:09] <sattam> hi , when the class  start  ?
[17:09] <sattam> Sun Apr 26 16:04:32 UTC 2009
[17:11] <nhandler> sattam: What class is that? I'm not seeing anything on the calendar or classroom wiki page
[17:11] <pleia2> sattam: not until tomorrow UTC, the open week schedule is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:11] <sattam> sorry :(
[17:12] <sattam> nhandler: and thanks :)
[17:12] <Leon_Nardella>  Thu 28 May 2009     00:00 UTC     Packaging using CDBS     nhandler
[17:12] <Leon_Nardella> This is in April, isn't it?
[17:12] <pleia2> oops, yes
[17:12] <Leon_Nardella> Hmm, double entries
[17:12]  * pleia2 fixes wiki
[17:14] <nhandler> pleia2: No it isn't
[17:14] <nhandler> pleia2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training
[17:14] <pleia2> err, I mean it's not
[17:14] <pleia2> but the wiki is wrong
[17:14] <pleia2> sorry
[17:15] <pleia2> aside from UOW, the class this week is the one on the 30th :)
[17:17] <Kenny_Meyer> pleia2: thx for the information
[17:40] <jimi_> guten Abend


[00:42] <greg-g> geez, I'm getting a lot of notices that apport retracer is marking bugs duplicate, I guess it is catching up.
[00:44] <bdmurray> greg-g: It's working with failed retraces and bugs with CoreDumps still attached
[00:50] <andresmujica> ping asac
[00:54] <greg-g> bdmurray: gotcha. I've already received 23 emails in the past 2 hours. Pretty fun, actually.
[00:54] <bdmurray> greg-g: that's it? ;-)
[00:55] <greg-g> bdmurray: heh, I'm sure that's nothing compared to some people in this channel :)
[00:56] <bdmurray> I think its a good thing to do and the e-mail should be easy enough to filter
[00:56] <greg-g> oh yeah, no complaints from me. All those emails go to the "Bugs" folder anyways.
[04:31] <XCP2> will these related xorg & ATI & fglrx memory bugs (that have existed since end of march) EVER be fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/372345 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/353800/?loggingout=1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186?comments=all
[04:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 372345 in fglrx-installer "Compiz memory leak   /   Xorg memory leak" [Low,Incomplete]
[04:32] <XCP2> xorg takes up 5GB+ after quite a while, maximizing windows will sometimes last 3-4 seconds! it makes many systems pretty unusable
[04:33] <Hobbsee> XCP2: given that they're ATI, probably not.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> are they bugs in xorg, or bugs in the ATI binary drivers?
[04:34] <XCP2> I can't tell for sure. but it occured since users upgraded to 9.04... it did not exist in 8.10... so users have to live with this forever?!
[04:35] <dtchen> there is some indication that new upstream has resolved the issue
[04:35] <XCP2> new upstream?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> upstream xorg, presumably
[04:37] <dtchen> sorry, upstream ATI
[04:39] <XCP2> dtchen: what do you mean by that and how do I get it?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> looks like 351186 has a ppa linked to it, so presumably that will get integrated if ti works for everyone affected.
[04:41] <XCP2> Hobbsee: you mean this one https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill ?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> XCP2: yes
[04:47] <XCP2> Hobbsee: forgive me my noobishness, but how do I apply it w/o compiling the whole thing from source...
[04:49] <XCP2> and if this patch solves the issue, is this an ATI card issue then? so, would using a non-ATI card solve this memory hog problem?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> XCP2: they have binaries there, in that ppa
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and very likely - i've not seen it on my intel card
[04:50] <Hobbsee> which you can install with gdebi, etc
[04:52] <XCP2> so buying a new non-ATI video card will solve this problem and many others that will most likely come up not before long (from my experience)
[04:53] <micahg> XCP2: the ATI file will generate .debs for you
[04:54] <XCP2> micahg: huh? what do you mean?
[04:54] <micahg> If you download the .sh file from ATI, you can generate .deb files for your ubuntu version
[04:55] <XCP2> yes, I know that :)
[04:55] <XCP2> we're talking about the patch I linked to above
[04:55] <micahg> you were talking about upstream releases
[04:56] <micahg> I know ATI released at least 1 version isince Jaunty was released
[04:56] <micahg> 8.612
[04:56]  * XCP2 checks
[04:56] <XCP2> micahg: I have that installed.
[04:58] <XCP2> Hobbsee: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/xserver-no-backfill/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/ ... which binaries should I use? AMD64 is clear to me, but the rest?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> XCP2: it's probably easiest to add the entire repository listed on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill
[05:01] <Hobbsee> seeing as that seems to only be for that patch
[05:02] <Hobbsee> i don't know which binaries you actually need
[05:02] <XCP2> oh... you mean adding these two lines starting with "deb" to my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:02] <XCP2> thanks... I'll try that later :)
[06:48] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:48] <micahg1> morning
[07:08] <micahg> anyone around running ff3.5?
[07:18] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[07:22] <micahg> good morning thekorn
[07:22] <micahg> thekorn: do you have ff3.5 installed?
[07:22] <thekorn> micahg, hi
[07:22] <thekorn> no
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <micahg> morning dholbach
[07:30] <micahg> are you running ff3.5?
[07:31] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[07:31] <dholbach> micahg: nope
[07:31] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[07:32] <micahg> Is an app responsible for telling the OS that it handles a certain type of file?
[07:32] <micahg> or is that centralized in a package?
[07:33] <persia> micahg, That's a centralised system, with information provided per-package.  There's two ways to do it: one is the Debian MIME system, and the other is the XDG MIME system.  Packages are encouraged to use both.
[07:34] <micahg> ok
[07:34] <micahg> persia: is that for defaults or just that it can handle that type?
[07:35] <persia> Yes.
[07:35] <micahg> which one ? :)
[07:35] <persia> More specifically, that it can handle that type, and that the defaults are selected based on the handlers.
[07:36] <micahg> thanks persia
[07:36] <persia> so, you might end up with different default behaviours depending on which packages are installed.
[07:36] <leoquant> !sun java
[07:36] <ubot4> Factoid 'sun java' not found
[07:36] <persia> leoquant, sun-java5 or sun-java6 is probably more interesting
[07:37] <leoquant> !sun-java6
[07:37] <ubot4> Factoid 'sun-java6' not found
[07:38]  * leoquant searching for sun-java update -13 bug
[07:38] <leoquant> thats is sun java is not updated to -13 in hardy heron
[07:38] <micahg> !info sun-java6 hardy
[07:39] <leoquant> a major security update
[07:39] <ubot4> micahg: Package sun-java6 does not exist in hardy
[07:40] <persia> ubot4 isn't actually correct in this case.
[07:40] <ubot4> persia: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:40] <micahg> hmmm ubot4 isn't quite bein truthful
[07:40] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f6b56ecdc
[07:40] <leoquant> i know there are 4 bugs reported
[07:40] <persia> The issue is that it doesn't handle source packages.
[07:41] <persia> !info sun-java6-jre hardy
[07:41] <ubot4> persia: sun-java6-jre (source: sun-java6): Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-07-3ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 6177 kB, installed size 14164 kB
[07:41] <leoquant> update -7........ whow...
[07:41] <leoquant> thx persia
[07:43] <leoquant> : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/360414
[07:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 360414 in sun-java6 "[Hardy] Sun Java JRE 6 badly needs security updates" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:44] <leoquant> breakfast and coffee first
[08:24] <fredrik_> can anyone explain the process of reporting bugs at launchpad? I've reported bug #374185 but it never gets picked up?
[08:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 374185 in ipsec-tools "racoon crashes when racoon.conf contains sainfo section for ipv6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374185
[09:41] <Hew> anyone else get the flood of bugmail from the retracer? why does that happen?
[09:44] <seb128> it has been cleaning coredumps from old duplicates
[09:45] <seb128> no reason to keep those on the server they take server space and can contain private datas
[09:45] <seb128> but agreed whoever ran the script could have sent an email notice before, I've pinged pitti about that already
[11:25] <xteejx> Hey guys, can someone look at bug 118842 and bug 224903 please? I don't know where to go from here, am kind of stuck. Thank you :)
[11:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 118842 in linux "Pre-Compiled Dazuko Modules for Ubuntu Kernels" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118842
[11:25] <xteejx> Am Triaging them btw
[11:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 224903 in linux "Annoyance - Disable blinking cursor during boot" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224903
[11:27] <TheYeti> #224903 is kind of a petty bug but don't know what else you can do about it
[11:30] <TheYeti> And #118842 I got no more clue than you on that one
[11:33] <xteejx> TheYeti, Kinda stumped on both, don't like just leaving them in that state
[11:35] <TheYeti> xteejx: You have 224903 in confirmed and everything else looks good on it
[11:35] <xteejx> TheYeti, Cool. So just leave them both for now I assume?
[11:35] <TheYeti> most I can say yea
[11:35] <xteejx> cheers :)
[15:30] <biggysmall> i need shell can anybody help me out with this
[15:30] <biggysmall> i need shell can anybody help me out with this
[15:31] <BUGabundo> biggysmall: hi. please don't repeat your self
[15:31] <BUGabundo> what can we do for you?
[16:40] <hggdh> pedro_, do you use Evolution?
[16:43] <pedro_> hggdh: yeap, anything you want me to test?
[16:47] <XCP2> hi. there's a bug in xorg in the newer versions of ubuntu that has not been fixed. however, there is a PPA on launchpad that apparently fixes the problem (not in clean way, but it's okay for me). Now my question: if I apply this PPA patch and some time later there is an official ubuntu patch for this problem, or any other update to xorg, will and can this newer update still be applied, although I manually changed my xorg some time before?
[16:48] <hggdh> pedro_, I wrote an Apport evolution hook. Brian will test it a bit, and I would like to know if you are also willing to
[16:48] <pedro_> hggdh: sure, saw your report with the info btw, where's the hook?
[16:49] <hggdh> I will email you it
[16:52] <hggdh> thanks, pedro_
[16:52] <pedro_> hggdh: rock, thanks
[21:15] <hggdh> bdmurray, thanks for the attachments -- with python and urllib2 and csv, it is *extremely* easy to run the test!
[21:16] <bdmurray> hggdh: awesome!
[22:42] <bdmurray> hggdh: it might also be interesting to check pidgin traces too
[22:43] <BUGabundo> pidgin what?!
[22:59] <hggdh> bdmurray, just get me another of these csv, and I will do it
[22:59] <hggdh> BUGabundo, pidgin traces
[23:00] <BUGabundo> hggdh: you know im a pidgin luver and tester
[23:00] <BUGabundo> where can I help?
[23:03] <hggdh> BUGabundo, I am testing a sanitising apport hook for evo -- I look at backtraces, and try to get out all email and IP addresses
[23:04] <hggdh> it is still too early for general tests, I am still tweaking the code
[23:05] <hggdh> but we might also use it for pidgin, and perhaps other packages. If, of course, it works ;-)
[23:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:05] <BUGabundo> ping me if you neeed
[23:06] <hggdh> will do


[15:19] <Pici> quiet release day
[15:20] <Pici> then again, I "forgot" to join -release-party
[15:24] <Pici> need to update the factoids
[15:24] <popey> yeah
[15:24] <popey> can we get rid of this one.. amusing as it was the first time..
[15:24] <popey> 16:23 < ubottu> Did I SAY it was out? Maybe if you would LISTEN once in a while this  relationship would be healthier.
[15:25] <IdleOne> !no isitout is <reply> Not yet.
[15:25] <Pici> !isitout-#ubuntu-release-party
[15:25] <Pici> ...
[15:26] <Pici> !no isitout is <reply> YES! ITS OUT: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2015-April/000195.html
[15:26] <IdleOne> oh it is?
[15:26] <IdleOne> sorry
[15:26] <IdleOne> I didn't even no it was release day
[15:26]  * Pici hits IdleOne with chu
[15:26] <chu> :D
[15:26]  * IdleOne takes the hit
[15:26] <IdleOne> licky I like you both
[15:27] <IdleOne> lucky too
[15:27] <chu> Licky licky ^^
[15:42] <U1510nameseeker> Channel topic needs updating
[15:43] <Pici> U1510nameseeker: done, th
[15:43] <Pici> Anyway, I don't have enough rights to update the configs.  I've emailed jussi and tsimpson about it, hopefully they can just grant me the rights so we don't need to keep bugging them.
[16:24] <k1l_> /slap Pici :)
[16:25] <k1l_> ich think we need a drone trigger for "<Pici> 70" :)
[16:25] <Pici> I need to make a thing here so that it just ignores it when I type that
[16:33] <Pici> /trigger add -send_text -stop -regex '^70$'
[18:32] <bazhang> !isitout
[18:56] <IdleOne> !no isitout-#ubuntu-release-party  is <reply> YES! ITS OUT: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2015-April/000195.html
[18:56] <IdleOne> genii: fixed
[18:56] <Pici> why do we have separate factoids for the release party channel?
[18:57] <IdleOne> not sure
[18:58] <Pici> I'm going to clean it up
[18:58] <IdleOne> but I think if you !forget isitout-#ubuntu-release-party it will use !isitout
[18:59] <Pici> indeed
[19:01] <genii> I added it as a separate one because I was in the habit of making separate factoids for other channels like +1
[19:06] <IdleOne> bynarie: Please don't idle in this channel


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <nlsthzn> o/
[06:59] <JoseeAntonioR> hi, dholbach! :)
[07:00] <dholbach> hi JoseeAntonioR
[15:52] <nitstorm> anyone in the room?
[15:55] <nitstorm> I am trying to make my first contribution to the UWN, was wondering if the link collectors add links as bullet points? or add a few words about them maybe?
[15:59] <nitstorm> do link aggregators also add their name to the contributors section?
[16:12] <pleia2> nitstorm: if you look at the doc you will see under "LoCo News" the format in which you'll want to put them in the doc
[16:12] <pleia2> like:
[16:12] <pleia2> [16:12] <pleia2>
[16:12] <pleia2> http://viajemotu.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/report-ugj-08-09-201/
[16:12] <nitstorm> pleia2: Thanks :)
[16:12] <pleia2> and you don't put any notes in, we write summaries on the weekend :)
[16:13] <nitstorm> cool :) just a heading and the link then :)
[16:13] <pleia2> and yes, collectors put their name in as credited contributors if they want
[16:13] <nitstorm> super :) Thanks pleia2 :)
[16:14] <nitstorm> and can link aggregators also apply to be part of the UWN group on LP?
[16:14] <nitstorm> after contributing that is..
[16:15] <pleia2> yep
[16:20] <nitstorm> cool :)
[20:41] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue282
[20:55] <Unit193> All the links were broken!
[20:55] <Unit193> Nope.
[20:56] <pleia2> :P


[01:39] <vychune> linuxman!
[01:39] <linuxman410> how r u
[01:40] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[01:40] <vychune> great
[01:41] <linuxman410> found a os for my asus eeepc 701
[01:42] <linuxman410> i am using peppermint ice
[01:43] <vychune> i gave my CD to some guy he lost it
[02:01] <linuxman410> anyone here
[02:19] <orias> 0/
[02:20] <linuxman410> who r u
[02:34] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[03:01] <chibihogoshino> egypt shut down all internet access
[03:51] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[12:04] <cyberanger> darn, took my evening offline
[12:37] <wrst> cyberanger: how's it going, and happy friday!
[12:39] <cyberanger> happy friday
[12:39] <wrst> indeed cyberanger, how are things going?
[12:39] <cyberanger> slowly
[12:39] <cyberanger> fine ;-)
[12:40] <wrst> slowly is not bad
[13:53] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[13:53] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[13:53] <linuxman410> found a os for the 701
[13:54] <cyberanger> cool, what'd you find, peppermint ice?
[13:54] <linuxman410> cyberanger i put peppermint ice on it
[13:54] <linuxman410> and had 3 gig left over
[13:54] <linuxman410> 2 gig
[13:55] <linuxman410> i also put peppermint one on my 900a
[13:55] <linuxman410> i got a good deal on the 900a or i would not have bought it
[13:55] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[13:56] <linuxman410> i took peppermint and removed all the cloud apps
[13:56] <linuxman410> hey wrst
[13:56] <wrst> how are you doing linuxman410?
[13:57] <linuxman410> doing ok i put peppermint ice on my 701 that has a 4 gig ssd and had 2 gig left ove it works great on it
[13:57] <linuxman410> over
[14:03] <wrst> cool linuxman410
[14:04] <linuxman410> how have u been wrst
[14:04] <wrst> good linuxman410, trying to get everything taken care of here and enjoying a friday
[14:04] <linuxman410> cool
[14:17]  * wrst just used simplescan and likes it
[14:18] <vychune> morn
[14:20] <cyberanger> morning vychune
[14:23] <vychune> morning
[14:23] <vychune> hows everyone?
[14:27] <wrst> hello vychune
[14:31] <vychune> well im gonna go to midsouth makers and hey wrst
[14:31] <wrst> hey hey
[14:32] <vychune> hey hey hey!!!!!
[14:32] <wrst> vychune: i see your game but i'm not following :P ha ha
[14:37] <vychune> lol
[14:37] <vychune> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
[14:39] <wrst> :D
[14:39] <vychune> you guys are gonna tell me next time we have a meet right?
[18:56] <vychune> hey everyone


[21:29] <xotu> is that on the Gui @ aruns?
[21:29] <xotu> or in terminal/
[21:29] <xotu> what were you trying to do
[21:29] <xotu> update? upgrade?
[21:29] <xotu> run something?
[21:30] <aruns> xotu: Having a look through command line history
[21:30] <aruns> Not too sure though.
[21:30] <aruns> I did install Visual Studio Code yesterday through Ubuntu Make
[21:30] <aruns> But I don't think that caused it.
[21:30] <xotu> eh.. ok what were you trying to do that got you that error
[21:31] <xotu> like
[21:31] <Chickenshadow> Well I need some food and the first one don't work
[21:31] <xotu> what @ ChickenShadow you couldn't even update?
[21:31] <xotu> sudo apt-get clean
[21:31] <xotu> and try again
[21:32] <Chickenshadow> No file or dictionary's
[21:32] <aruns> xotu: Did that, still showing
[21:32] <aruns> xotu: I did try to install Vivaldi browser by unpackaging its .deb package
[21:32] <aruns> Maybe that's what caused error?
[21:32] <xotu> type sudo aptitude
[21:32] <xotu> and tell me what it says in pm
[21:33] <xotu> You probably have some package that has loads of dependencies.
[21:33] <Chickenshadow> Me?
[21:33] <aruns> Not sure I have Aptitude installed?
[21:33] <Patertje> sounds like you have linux
[21:33] <Chickenshadow> I have appitude
[21:33] <xotu> no that was for aruns
[21:34] <xotu> aruns did you run the command?
[21:34] <Chickenshadow> Wow
[21:34] <aruns> xotu: Yeah, it said command not found
[21:35] <xotu> ps aux | grep dpkg
[21:35] <xotu> look for an odd pid and kill it
[21:36] <xotu> @ aruns sudo apt-get install -f
[21:36] <aruns> xotu: This is from my history https://bpaste.net/show/e8b793c24525
[21:37] <Chickenshadow> Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! It works!!!!! I could login
[21:37] <xotu> did you run apt-get install -f
[21:37] <aruns> xotu: Yeah
[21:37] <xotu> thats good @ Chickenshadow congrats
[21:37] <Chickenshadow> Yeah!!!
[21:37] <Chickenshadow> Thanks
[21:37] <xotu> which fixed it?
[21:37] <awlsomealex> Hello, anyone familiar about installing the Lumina Desktop Environment onto Ubuntu?
[21:38] <aruns> xotu: I think it's an issue with Vivaldi.
[21:38] <aruns> xotu: Thanks it is fixed now.
[21:38] <aruns> :D
[21:39] <xotu> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*-vf @ aruns
[21:39] <xotu> then sudo apt-get update
[21:39] <xotu> ok
[21:39] <xotu> nm
[21:39] <xotu> okay so two down and lets see
[21:43] <xotu> ok solved three issues on here
[21:43] <xotu> i can get a hang of this
[21:43] <xotu> but no one can solve mine!?@#!@?#
[21:43] <xotu> lol
[21:44] <keroatf> what's ur prob!
[21:44] <scottrb3> I'm trying to get xmonad working on xubuntu 16.04. It launches, closes/hides all windows and then doesn't seem to recognize default hot keys. alt-shift-enter won't launch new console, etc
[21:44] <DMJC> I need help with grub
[21:45] <DMJC> the boot repair tool isn't working for me
[21:45] <b_p> DMJC, what do you need to do?
[21:45] <DMJC> I've got ubuntu on /dev/sda3, /boot on /dev/sda1
[21:45] <xotu> whats the error
[21:45] <DMJC> grub is booting in grub-repair mode
[21:45] <DMJC> I can boot my system by setting prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/grub
[21:46] <DMJC> but I need to permanently set those options.
[21:46] <xotu> try sudo apt-get check @ scottrb3
[21:46] <xotu> then sudo apt-get install -f
[21:46] <DMJC> it keeps trying to default to prefix=(hd0,msdos3)/boot/grub
[21:47] <xotu> try running upgrade-grub again
[21:47] <xotu> er
[21:47] <xotu> update-grub
[21:47] <DMJC> that doesn't work...
[21:47] <dankan> maybe fstab is wrong?
[21:48] <bekks> dankan: What doesnt work on that command?
[21:48] <xotu> grub-install <correct-drive, i.e. /dev/sda>
[21:48] <xotu> then run it
[21:48] <dankan> xotu reinstalling grub is good idea, it doesnt hurt to check if fstab is written ok.
[21:49] <xotu> have you tried grub-rescue @ DMJC?
[21:49] <xotu> ok let me find an article on this.. too much typing
[21:50] <xotu> grub is always a common issue
[21:50] <xotu> sec
[21:50] <DMJC> it might be fstab
[21:50] <DMJC> I'm going to test something
[21:50] <xotu> http://askubuntu.com/questions/192621/grub-rescue-prompt-repair-grub
[21:51] <DMJC> yeah I can get into the system using the rescue prompt
[21:51] <dankan> DMJC check the UUID of disks with gnome-disks and compare them to fstab, maybe something wrong with the /boot and then grub wont boot right.
[21:51] <xotu> possibly @ dankan
[21:51] <DMJC> the problem is it doesn't save those settings for the next boot
[21:51] <xotu> i loathe grub
[21:51] <xotu> look at that article @ dmjc
[21:51] <xotu> scroll down
[21:51] <xotu> it gives you info on saving settings on next boot
[21:55] <loskutak> Hi, I am back with the nvidia issue... I get this when booting: systemd-udevd[915]: failed to execute /bin/systemctl ... no such file or directory
[21:55] <xotu> let me tell you something about Nvidia
[21:56] <xotu> I've always had trouble with that damn gpu
[21:56] <xotu> on linux
[21:56] <xotu> i prefer Intel gpu
[21:56] <dankan> loskutak but the system boots?
[21:56] <loskutak> SORRY FOR THE CAPS, I CANNOT TURN IT OF :/ STUCK IN CONSOLE.
[21:56] <loskutak>
[21:57] <loskutak> IT BOOTS, BUT NO GRAPHICS
[21:57] <ikonia> and yet you managed to type without caps when you first joined
[21:57] <dankan> loskutak, tell me this , whats your nvidia GPU model
[21:57] <ikonia> if you look at the error it can't execute the systemctl command to start a service, you need to look at what service that is
[21:58] <akik> loskutak: try "reset"
[21:58] <b_p> how can i find the default gw in a LAN
[21:58] <ikonia> b_p: your network admin tells you
[21:58] <bekks> b_p: type: netstat -rn
[21:59] <Izno> b_p, netstat -rn
[21:59] <b_p> if i am a guest in a lan? can i assume that the dhcp server is also a gateway?
[21:59] <loskutak> (oh lowercase back :))
[21:59] <Izno> -1
[21:59] <bekks> b_p: no, you cant.
[21:59] <ikonia> b_p: no, the dhcp server will give you the gateway
[21:59] <ikonia> but it will probably not be the dhcp server
[21:59] <Izno> b_p, You can se this by typing ifconfig
[22:00] <DMJC> well hot diggity thankyou
[22:00] <bekks> Izno: how do you see the default gateway using ifconfig?
[22:00] <ikonia> no you cannot
[22:00] <DMJC> so running grub-install after you set the boot variables locks them in
[22:00] <ikonia> ifconfig will not tell you the gateway, and it will not tell you what the gateway should be
[22:00] <DMJC> beautiful
[22:00] <loskutak> ikonia: /bin/systemctl start --no-block nvidia-persistenced.service... but the file that doesn't exist is the /bin/systemctl...
[22:00] <ikonia> loskutak: so there is your problem
[22:00] <xotu> @ DMJC congrats
[22:00] <xotu> and you're welcome ;)
[22:01] <xotu> Nvidia issues gives me shudders
[22:01] <xotu> just duckduckgo.com your issue
[22:01] <xotu> I've had nightmares as a newb with Nvidia
[22:01] <xotu> years ago
[22:01] <dankan> xotu its mainly optimus laptops, and people who try to use bumblebee :P
[22:01] <Izno> ikonia, youre right...
[22:02] <Chickenshadow> Guys I need my drivers
[22:02] <xotu> what happened now @ Chickenshadow
[22:02] <xotu> then install your drivers
[22:02] <Chickenshadow> I can't loaf my driver nouveau
[22:02] <Chickenshadow> How
[22:03] <Chickenshadow> And swrast
[22:04] <loskutak> ikonia: yeah, it seems so... do you have any idea what to do with it? the whole line is:
[22:04] <loskutak> [   19.365797] systemd-udevd[915]: failed to execute '/bin/systemctl' '/bin/systemctl start --no-block nvidia-persistenced.service': No such file or directory
[22:04] <dankan> Chickenshadow, did you ever install nvidia drivers? maybe there is a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau
[22:04] <ikonia> loskutak: you need to find out what provides that unit and either a.) remove it to stop the error b.) add what it needs to give the missing file
[22:04] <Onepamopa> ok, so, whoever suggested "xdotool" for adjusting bluetooth mouse sensitivity - wrong, I don't see such option
[22:05] <Onepamopa> any other suggestions ?
[22:05] <akik> loskutak: did you say you're missing /bin/systemctl ?
[22:05] <DMJC> GNU really needs to update their documentation. If you use grub-rescue mode to change the variable settings. Run grub-install with no extra parameters to save the new settings.
[22:05] <DMJC> that would have saved me 2 days of bullshit.
[22:05] <Chickenshadow> Um
[22:05] <loskutak> akik: yes
[22:05] <ikonia> DMJC: please don't swear
[22:06] <Chickenshadow> How do I know if it blacklists it?
[22:06] <xotu> sorry @ DMJC ..no shit .. i dont use grub
[22:06] <xotu> there's alternatives yanno
[22:06] <akik> loskutak: i don't know how you accomplished that. maybe "sudo apt-get install --reinstall systemd" will fix it
[22:07] <ikonia> xotu: please stop swearking
[22:07] <ikonia> akik: he doesn't need to re-install systemd
[22:07] <knightlain> Hi, I have been having a problem while trying to set up screen lock time and dimming as well. I have used the ubuntu settings on the control panel but no matter how much I change the settings.  How do I install them?
[22:09] <loskutak> ikonia: so the issue is that somebody upgraded the drivers package so that it is compatible only with newer ubuntu version?
[22:09] <ikonia> loskutak: what package have you installed, from where ?
[22:09] <dumle29> Hey there. So I set up tunnelbear VPN on mylaptop according to their guide, but I'm having issues getting a custom dns server to be used, so I'm running into dns issues
[22:09] <dankan> Chickenshadow, read the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ and check if they have the line "blacklist nouveau" in them, or something like that
[22:09] <dumle29> how do I set up ubuntu 16.04 to use a user defined DNS server, even when using vpn?
[22:10] <xotu> i helped resolve 6 people's issues today but no one can resolve mine.. im done for the day
[22:10] <xotu> bbl
[22:10] <dankan> Chickenshadow, novueau should load by default if its installed and not blacklisted, (given that you have just an nvidia gpu installed)
[22:11] <loskutak> ikonia: the issue started just by apt-get upgrade, I believe... then later I have purged nvidia* and bumblebee*. Now I have installed nvidia-367 nvidia-settings nvidia-prime
[22:11] <ikonia> loskutak: apt-get upgrade will do nothing
[22:11] <ikonia> loskutak: so you've installed package from somewhere that has a depedency on systemd
[22:12] <Chickenshadow> Yeah
[22:12] <dankan> loskutak, are you by chance using the ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa to get nvidia-367 ?
[22:12] <Onepamopa> here's another bug I noticed - mouse sensitivity is normal on the login screen, and crazy high when logged in
[22:12] <Chickenshadow> Its not in blacklist
[22:13] <Chickenshadow> It can't load nouveau
[22:13] <loskutak> dankan: I dont see that ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[22:13] <ikonia> loskutak: that doesn't mean you've not used it at some point
[22:13] <dankan> loskutak, its ubuntu 16.10 or 16.04?
[22:13] <loskutak> dankan: 04
[22:14] <ikonia> loskutak: 16.04 or 14.04
[22:14] <Chickenshadow> How can I list my drivers
[22:14] <loskutak> ikonia: well I have installed the driver freshly few minutes ago, so I thing it shouldn't be from that ppa
[22:15] <Chickenshadow> How
[22:15] <ikonia> loskutak: a.) please confirm the exact ubuntu version b.) if you have used PPA's before - please say as just because you did something "now" doesn't mean there are not left overs from PPA's
[22:15] <dankan> Chickenshadow, check if you have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed - command is apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[22:17] <loskutak> ikonia: how to get the version? I have forgotten the command. I have used PPA's before
[22:17] <ikonia> loskutak: lsb-release -a
[22:18] <Chickenshadow> It says policy: no command found
[22:18] <dankan> loskutak, try just switching to 361, or remove all nvidia packages to run in nouveau. If noveau will work you can try to install nvidia-361. If you are not sure which version of the drivers is for your gpu , search for linux drivers on nvidia's website. to check your gpu version run lspci | grep VGA and see the name in brackets ()
[22:19] <Onepamopa> does anyone know HOW to auto execute a command AFTER user login (Unity) ?
[22:20] <Onepamopa> or how to permanently disable mouse acceleration
[22:20] <dankan> Chickenshadow, you don't have apt-cache? which ubuntu are you using
[22:20] <Chickenshadow> Ctrl alt f1
[22:20] <Onepamopa> seems like it gets auto enabled on login
[22:20] <dankan> Onepamopa, let me tell you
[22:20] <Chickenshadow> 16.04 64bit
[22:20] <dankan> Onepamopa, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration see the bit "disabling mouse acceleration"
[22:21] <loskutak> ikonia: it is 14.04.5
[22:21] <dankan> if you are using evdev for the imput driver you need to place the file first file ,if you are using libinput you need to place the second file
[22:21] <ikonia> loskutak: ok, so when telling people about your syste, make sure you share that info "04" won't cut it as there is 16.04, 14.04 and even 12.04
[22:21] <Onepamopa> dankan, "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/" ain't such folder
[22:21] <dankan> Onepamopa, but on ubuntu you place the files in /usr/share/X11/...
[22:21] <Chickenshadow> Ahh it works now
[22:22] <dankan> i was getting to that @ Onepamopa
[22:22] <CyberGabber> exit
[22:22] <Onepamopa> noticed ))
[22:22] <dankan> so its /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-accel.conf
[22:23] <dankan> to check if you are using evdev or libinput use xinput @ Onepamopa
[22:23] <Chickenshadow> Dankan it came up with dome stuff does that mean I have s driver?
[22:23] <Chickenshadow> Some
[22:24] <dankan> Chickenshadow, if its says that the installed version is (none) it means its not installed
[22:24] <loskutak> ikonia: sorry, I have missed the question.. I thought dankan was asking if my version is 14.04 or 14.10, so I have replied just by 04
[22:24] <deejayicy> can someone please help with teamviewer?
[22:25] <loskutak> well, I will try to purge nvidia stuff again and try different version of the driver
[22:25] <Chickenshadow> OK I have it then
[22:25] <deejayicy> i need to settup sound for virtual dj wine application
[22:25] <Chickenshadow> Why foent steam launch then?
[22:26] <Chickenshadow> Can't
[22:26] <dankan> Chickenshadow, run steam from terminal, steam usually does not work for me on nouveau though :P
[22:27] <Chickenshadow> Yeah I did do steam in s terminal but it don't work
[22:27] <dankan> Onepamopa, also after you place the file you need to logout to see if it works ,forgot to mention that (but it is mentioned in arch wiki)
[22:27] <vinoth> Hi
[22:27] <dankan> Chickenshadow, does it print any output error?
[22:28] <donald> My ubuntu crashes every 5 minutes I have to reboot with the hardware. How to diagnostic it?
[22:28] <dumle29> Hey there. So I set up tunnelbear VPN on mylaptop according to their guide, but I'm having issues getting a custom dns server to be used, so I'm running into dns issues
[22:28] <loskutak> given package name, how can I check whether it will be installed from PPA?
[22:28] <dumle29> how do I set up ubuntu 16.04 to use a user defined DNS server, even when using vpn?
[22:28] <vinoth> 16.04 crashes many times...
[22:28] <vinoth> be careful while moving to 16.04
[22:29] <dumle29> been on it for ages
[22:29] <vinoth> ages???
[22:29] <dankan> loskutak, apt-get policy package-name lists the package version and all versions from your repositories
[22:29] <dumle29> never chrashed
[22:29] <vinoth> was it not released recently?
[22:29] <dumle29> vinoth: Well, it was the first OS I installed on it
[22:29] <dumle29> vinoth: Well, the 16th of july
[22:29] <dumle29> wait, no
[22:29] <dumle29> april
[22:30] <dumle29> or is it april 2016?
[22:30] <dumle29> I know the name is pretty much the date it was released
[22:30] <dumle29> I think 4th month year 2016
[22:30] <bekks> dumle29: the version, not the name.
[22:30] <dumle29> right
[22:30] <vinoth> i was in 16, until two days back
[22:30] <vinoth> moved to 15.10 again
[22:31] <dumle29> I was quite lucky that 16.04 was released
[22:31] <bekks> !15.10 | vinoth
[22:31] <bekks> vinoth: currently supported releases are 14.04, 16.04 and 16.10
[22:31] <dumle29> Because aparrently 15.10 would've bricked my laptop
[22:31] <dumle29> it's using a skylake cpu
[22:31] <dumle29> i5 6600U
[22:32] <vinoth> aren't we forcing users to upgrade
[22:32] <vinoth> like the stupid windows does
[22:32] <dumle29> no?
[22:32] <dumle29> It's a bug in the linux kernel, it was rather big
[22:32] <dumle29> 16.04 moved to a newer kernel
[22:32] <vinoth> you mean in 15.10
[22:32] <dumle29> no?
[22:33] <dumle29> as I understood, at the time of me installing ubuntu on my laptop, it was bricking laptops. Aparrantly I got lucky, and installed it a month or so after 16.04 released
[22:33] <deejayicy> can someone help me?
[22:33] <vinoth> oh... cool
[22:33] <vinoth> whats your problem deejayicy?
[22:34] <Onepamopa> dankan, well, xinput doesn't show anything even remotely to evdev or libinput
[22:34] <deejayicy> i installed ubuntu and wine, the instaled virtual dj from it, but i need to setup sound for the headphones
[22:35] <b_p> does the 'router' field of the DHCP offer is the 'default gw' that will be used?
[22:35] <dankan> Onepamopa, if you use xinput, it will list devicses , you need to find your mouse and do a xinput --list-props X  where X is your device ID (its listed by xinput earlier)
[22:36] <dankan> if it will spam evdev and some options , it means it uses evdev,  if it will spam libinput and some options , it uses libinput @ Onepamopa
[22:36] <deejayicy> can you connect on my pc?
[22:37] <dankan> Onepamopa also , you can just check if xserver-xorg-input-libinput is installed, if its not , you are using evdev. Also evdev is the default one on any ubuntu install maybe except ubuntu-gnome from what i know
[22:38] <dankan> Onepamopa, (i just mention libinput because it is a possibility, also i like to install it myself because it works better with my sharkoon drakonia mouse. Also i think evdev with disabled acceleration is still kind of decelerating, its too slow compared to windows.)
[22:39] <b_p> anyone knows if the router field of the DHCP is intended for the gateway that route shows?
[22:40] <dankan> Onepamopa, also creating either of those configs wont mess anything up, you can always just remove them and go back to the original state.
[22:40] <Onepamopa> dankan, finally got it working
[22:40] <Onepamopa> thanks
[22:41] <Onepamopa> these things should be made adjustable during the initial installation or available @ system settings (which for some reason they aren't)
[22:41] <bekks> b_p: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2132
[22:42] <dankan> Onepamopa, you dont have mouse speed control in system-settings?
[22:42] <b_p> it doesn't mention the gateway
[22:42] <Onepamopa> dankan, I have for the touchpad (which doesn't affect the bt mouse)
[22:43] <bekks> b_p: see section 3.5
[22:43] <b_p> dankan, i read it but it doesn't mention the gateway, i need to know if the default gw that ubuntu defines is the same that reads in that field
[22:43] <deejayicy> can someone help me? please
[22:43] <dankan> Onepamopa, well i guess its a common bug with evdev drivers. I dont have such option on my desktop for my mouse, thats why i use libinput because it fixes it :P
[22:44] <jim-the-bear> Hello. I'm just wondering if someone could possibly help me also?
[22:44] <Onepamopa> dankan, so many little annoying things that need to be fixed in order to make ubuntu better...
[22:44] <Onepamopa> seems like nobody's interested in fixing them
[22:44] <Onepamopa> which in itself is annoying...
[22:44] <dankan> Onepamopa, well i believe everyone is slowly switching to libinput
[22:44] <Dragoneye> have to doing a backup to a network drive (windows drive share) , how to find it in terminal...
[22:45] <bekks> Dragoneye: You dont need to find it, you need to mount it.
[22:45] <dankan> Onepamopa, also this little thing is broken since gnome 3 :P i bet that if you run a live xubuntu from usb or cd you will be able to adjust mouse speed from the settings
[22:45] <Dragoneye> bekks: have mounted is, cant find it
[22:46] <bekks> Dragoneye: See the output of "mount" and you will see where you mounted it.
[22:47] <deejayicy> i installed ubuntu and wine, the instaled virtual dj from it, but i need to setup sound for the headphones .... Can someone help me..please?
[22:47] <deejayicy> then*
[22:47] <jim-the-bear> Does anyone in here use Ubuntu Mate? I'm having an issue with getting my clock to display the correct timezone.
[22:47] <ProficientWombat> @deejayicy Do your headphones show up in PulseAudio Volume Control?
[22:48] <ProficientWombat> @jim-the-bear I have MATE on 15.10. What exactly is it doing wrongly?
[22:48] <dankan> Onepamopa if you think this is a big inconvenience consider that you cannot change mouse scroll speed at all in any gui except KDE (and i believe this still changes nothing)
[22:49] <deejayicy> i dont have pulse audio
[22:49] <Onepamopa> incredible !
[22:49] <ProficientWombat> OK, well it might just be called Volume Control or something similar. I assume you're on Unity?
[22:49] <deejayicy> i'm on default ubuntu
[22:50] <Bashing-om> jim-the-bear: Dual booting Windows and Windows controls the hardware clock, maybe ?
[22:50] <ProficientWombat> OK, so then I believe it's called just Volume Control.  The clock is getting progressively slower, and I can't find a way to get it to update with an Internet time source.
[22:51] <bekks> !ntp | jim-the-bear
[22:51] <ProficientWombat> @jim-the-bear Woah, never heard of anything like that. Strange
[22:54] <deejayicy> [img]http://shrani.si/f/W/bQ/2VMsMzKt/screenshot-from-2016-11-.png[/img]
[22:54] <deejayicy> [url=http://shrani.si/?W/bQ/2VMsMzKt/screenshot-from-2016-11-.png][img]http://shrani.si/t/W/bQ/2VMsMzKt/screenshot-from-2016-11-.jpg[/img][/url]
[22:54] <deejayicy> <a href="http://shrani.si/?W/bQ/2VMsMzKt/screenshot-from-2016-11-.png"><img src="http://shrani.si/t/W/bQ/2VMsMzKt/screenshot-from-2016-11-.jpg" style="border: 0px;" alt="Shrani.si"/></a>
[22:55] <ikonia> deejayicy: please stop that
[22:56] <Dragoneye> bekks: Done! :-D Tnx!
[22:56] <jim-the-bear> @ubottu I just set it to my time zone, and the clock is still 2 hours and 10 minutes late.
[22:56] <deejayicy> so this is correct for here: http://shrani.si/f/W/bQ/2VMsMzKt/screenshot-from-2016-11-.png
[22:56] <jim-the-bear> And I just realized I may have just addressed a bot. I feel so incredibly foolish.
[22:57] <ikonia> jim-the-bear: no need to feel foolish
[22:57] <bekks> jim-the-bear: set you clock, and setup NTP as well.
[22:58] <deejayicy> and this one other control panel for audio: http://shrani.si/f/R/KZ/1bbLe6k/screenshot-from-2016-11-.png
[22:59] <jim-the-bear> I just set it to my time zone, and the clock is still 2 hours and 10 minutes late. MATE doesn't appear to allow me to choose servers like the diagrams I was linked to.
[22:59] <deejayicy> so i need to setup audio for virtual dj over wine
[23:00] <bekks> jim-the-bear: you dont need to use MATE for configuring NTP.
[23:01] <deejayicy> so can someone connect over teamviewer or some software
[23:01] <jim-the-bear> @bekks I understand that. I'm just using the Ubuntu MATE as my OS. My problem is when I try to change the Date/Time in the system administration Date and Time menu, I'm not allowed to change servers.
[23:02] <bekks> jim-the-bear: Just configure NTP manually using the configuration file.
[23:02] <jim-the-bear> @bekks Can you help me get to that?
[23:02] <dankan> deejayicy, i know this is an Official Ubuntu Support Channel but i wouldn't let random people touch my pc with Teamviewer on your place.
[23:03] <deejayicy> not random just admins :)
[23:03] <bekks> jim-the-bear: Ubottu already gave you a link on how to do that.
[23:03] <deejayicy> or mods, or something
[23:04] <dankan> deejayicy, you are trying to make wine use alsa right?
[23:04] <dankan> deejayicy, try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/77210/how-to-change-the-default-audio-in-wine-to-alsa-only
[23:05] <deejayicy> i dont know if i have alsa or what alsa is
[23:05] <jim-the-bear> @bekks It doesn't tell me where to put the new lines
[23:05] <Rarrikins> Did they ever change alsa to allow more than one program to use it at a time?
[23:05] <jim-the-bear> @bekks Or doesn't it matter?
[23:05] <bekks> jim-the-bear: It does :)
[23:05] <bekks> jim-the-bear: The article tells you exactly what to do.
[23:06] <dankan> Rarrikins, yes they implemented a mixer into it.
[23:06] <deejayicy> oh i missed the link...thanks
[23:06] <guest-fgub5r> ?
[23:06] <dankan> deejayicy, try to install the virtualdj with playonlinux
[23:06] <deejayicy> ok
[23:07] <dankan> deejayicy, if wine is messing with you and you have no sound i guess it should be an easier way to set it up. wine is really a picky software, and to be honest you shouldnt rely on ubuntu support to help people with it
[23:07] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me my wireless connection keeps getting disconnected!
[23:07] <deejayicy> ok
[23:10] <Kanandro> Hey all, my friend just wiped a Windows 8 pre-install and installed Xubuntu 16.10, but now his PC just boots to "Start PXE over IPV4/IPV6" and then continues to the HP PC Diagnostic UEFI utility. I thought we disabled Secure Boot, how can we fix this?
[23:10] <dankan> Rarrikins, at least the last time i was able to remove pulseaudio without purging most of my DE i was positive you could use alsa with multiple applications =P
[23:11] <guzzlefry> Is it possible to get Google Drive working on Ubuntu?
[23:12] <Rarrikins> dankan: Ahh, I see. Thanks.
[23:13] <Patertje> interesting folks on here lol
[23:13] <Patertje> just had a 1 hour chat with a muslim guy; too bad he decided to go
[23:19] <deejayicy> Hi again! How can i see all instaled programs in ubuntu?
[23:20] <bekks> deejayicy: dpkg -l
[23:20] <deejayicy> no i mean to open them from a list
[23:23] <Rarrikins> deejayicy: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1861486
[23:54] <AnonyFox> Where can i find the system files for the desktop/gui thingy ?
[23:55] <giovoni> what desktop environment are you using
[23:56] <AnonyFox> unity
[23:56] <AnonyFox> The one that comes with ubuntu
[23:56] <AnonyFox> I want to find the folder where it's located so i can look at the codes/configs and learn from that
[23:57] <nbastin> So, I have a problem where I install 16.04.1 server, boot, everything is fine, but if I reboot it won't mount the root filesystem
[23:57] <nbastin> This happens regardless of how many times I reinstall - the 2nd boot always fails
[23:57] <bekks> nbastin: And which mnessage do you get at that point?
[23:58] <nbastin> bekks: well I get a few dependency failures, but the first thing is it claims to time out waiting for a device
[23:58] <OerHeks> AnonyFox, install dconf editor for those deep systemsettings
[23:58] <bekks> nbastin: which exact message do you get?
[23:58] <nbastin> bekks: sec, gotta type it
[23:58] <OerHeks> !info dconf-editor
[23:59] <AnonyFox> But i still want to know where the folder for Unity is located so i can look at the files
[23:59] <bekks> AnonyFox: What are you trying to accomplish using those folders and files?
[23:59] <nbastin> bekks: Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-F64D\x2dF698.device
[23:59] <nbastin> which in retrospect might be escape characters in the middle of that..
[23:59] <AnonyFox> Check the codes for unity and learn how it's coded


[09:00] <tsdgeos> yay internet working again \o/
[09:00] <tsdgeos> my router seems to have some kind of aversion to mondays lately
[09:01] <tsdgeos> and we're not in bug control anymore again
[09:01] <tsdgeos> :/
[09:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, we'll have to grab mhall119 to get us back, not sure why we're expiring over and over, maybe that's policy or something
[09:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, lo and behold, the second .crash Pat sent had the same thread #0...
[09:05] <tsdgeos> that is weird
[09:05] <tsdgeos> maybe it's caused by how we fetch the threads/instrument/something?=
[09:06] <tsdgeos> and it's weird he can reproduce it so "easily" too
[09:06] <Saviq> yeah
[09:06] <tsdgeos> that's rtm on mako, right?
[09:06] <Saviq> yup
[09:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think the only route forward would be to get gdb attached to the running process on Pat's phone and see what can be done there
[09:07] <tsdgeos> yeah
[12:52] <mhall119> tsdgeos: Saviq: was it a team that expired?
[12:53] <Saviq> mhall119, yes, unity-ui-team
[12:58]  * tsdgeos goes for food
[13:04] <mhall119> Saviq: unity-ui-team has been invited to join ubuntu-bugcontrol
[13:05] <mhall119> someone on unity-ui-team needs to approve it though
[13:21] <Saviq> mhall119, thanks
[15:58] <Saviq> mterry, I've a feeling cancel-pam-harder prevents me from logging in on my laptop, the password entry field wiggle-wiggle-wiggles every 5s or so, I can't type my pword, and the log says "this backend does not support multiple users"
[15:59]  * Saviq verifies it's that change that causes this
[16:00] <mterry> Saviq, uh oh
[16:01] <mterry> I would have expected it would fail via deadlocks
[16:01] <mterry> if anything
[16:26] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, confirmed: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/cancel-pam-harder/+merge/251174/comments/628754
[16:27] <mterry> Saviq, sigh.  Good find, thanks.  Marked wip then
[21:06] <_Rarity> Hello! Is it possible to separate the workspaces on each monitor in a multi-monitor setup? (When you change a workspace on a monitor #1, the workspace stays the same on monitor #2)
[21:06] <_Rarity> (In Ubuntu 14.04 LTS)
[22:28] <_Rarity> If this separate workspace functionality is impossible as of now, it is certainly a feature that should be implemented. I have many colleagues also wanting this feature :)