[00:56] <hanfm1> can someone tell me if i need to install a mailserver on mythbuntu
[00:56] <hanfm1> because theres an option in the taskselinstallation
[01:10] <Qster> if you wanted to host your own mailserver i guess
[01:11] <hanfm1> no i only want to set a single mythtv
[01:12] <Mersault> Good evening, I
[01:13] <Mersault> I have been setting up a new mythfrontend this evening from the new alpha release. It's going well, except I can't get mythfrontend to launch at start. I have a user set to auto-login, but there's a password prompt due to mythbuntu-startup that needs to disappear, and even after that I still don't get mythfrontend started automatically.
[01:32] <hanfm1> do i need the lamp-server on mythbuntu? is it for a webinterface?
[02:02] <Qster> lamp-server is a web server
[03:45] <lmilano> Hi
[03:46] <lmilano> anyone home?
[06:52] <bronson> #v4l
[06:53] <bronson> er, join even.
[07:28] <Steven_M> raising and lowering the volume with my remote has no effect, any idea why?
[07:36] <MythbuntuGuest61> I've added the feed for photoshop user tv podcast to mythstream but when it goes to harvest it says download failed
[07:36] <MythbuntuGuest61> is there a way to stream it or does it have to try and download?
[07:37] <Steven_M> raising and lowering the volume with my remote has no effect, any idea why?
[08:04] <jeeves__> can anyone here help me figure out whats going on with my Mythbuntu install, and why I can't connect my new front end to the backend server
[09:02] <Ziroday> Hi, whenever I try to run mythfrontend I get this error http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m79cb2a3e
[09:03] <Ziroday> and when I run mythbackend I get this error http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m46de2e0e
[09:03] <Ziroday> what should I do?
[09:19] <bartmon> hello! is there a way for svideo output during installation?
[09:19] <bartmon> on an nvidia gpu?
[09:28] <laga_> bartmon: it might work with the fail safe mode
[09:28] <laga_> probably only if the TV is plugged in and turned on during bootup
[09:34] <bartmon> but i can't enter failsafe mode if i can't see the menu :/
[09:41] <laga_> hum. well, usually you can see the BIOS etc on the tv
[09:43] <bartmon> nope, that doesn't work via Svideo. I had a Windows install that only started showing picture when the Windows logo appeared during boot.
[09:44] <bartmon> Well, i'm testing on an LCD with multiple inputs. i'll just connect the d-sub and see if i can enable tvout
[09:44] <bartmon> wish me luck or sth :)
[10:36] <Ziroday> !help
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[12:39] <shirka> i am having problems installing mythtv ..
[12:42] <shirka> anyone hear me ?
[12:44] <bartmon> tell us
[12:46] <shirka> ok, using ubuntu 8.04 and when i try to install through Add/Remove programs it comes back with "This application conflicts with other installed software. To install 'mythtv' the conflicting software must be removed first.
[12:46] <shirka> Switch to the 'synaptic' package manager to resolve this conflict."
[12:46] <shirka> then i try sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend
[12:47] <shirka> and get
[12:47] <shirka> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:47] <shirka>   mythtv-frontend: Depends: libmyth-0.21 (>= 0.21.svn20080706) but it is not going to be installed
[12:47] <shirka> E: Broken packages
[12:47] <shirka> following this down through the depencies finally gives
[12:47] <shirka> libmyth-0.21: Depends: libasound2 (> 1.0.16) but 1.0.15-3ubuntu4 is to be installed
[12:48] <shirka> thats as far as my limited linux knowledge takes me, hence i came here
[12:54] <bartmon> that's odd
[12:55] <bartmon> my repositories have libmyth-0.21-0 which requires libasound2 1.0.14
[12:55] <bartmon> have you canged your repositories to any 3rd party oneds?
[12:57] <shirka> not sure, i have followed many an article on gettting to where I am currently, how can i tell ?
[12:57] <Glukobrassizin> i've got mythbuntu 8.04.1 + weekly builds. i'm trying to burn windows and stand alone player compatible dvd form mpeg2 recordings (dvb-c), but the resulting dvds are only compatible to my linux systems
[13:00] <bartmon> shirka: System > Administration >Synaptic, then open Settings > Repositories, tab Third Party Software
[13:03] <shirka> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner, http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main, http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main, http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main, http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main, http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptpconfig ./
[13:03] <shirka> all ticked
[13:06] <Glukobrassizin> could it be a matter of a wrong file system? windows shows nothing or gives an error message about an windows incompatible format. in linux everything looks just like it should and our stand alone dvd player does nothing...
[13:07] <bartmon> Glukobrassizin: well you can find out which filesystem is burned onto the DVD
[13:08] <Glukobrassizin> it was something with "u", i will check again later...
[13:08] <bartmon> when you have one of those incompatible dvds in your computer drive open up a terminal and tipe "mount"
[13:08] <bartmon> it's probably UDF
[13:08] <Glukobrassizin> bartmon, okay... but it's linux compatible.
[13:08] <Glukobrassizin> bartmon, yeah, that's it i think, thank you
[13:09] <bartmon> as far as  i know UDf should be supported under windows...
[13:09] <bartmon> what kind of player do you use in windows?
[13:10] <Glukobrassizin> i tried windows media player and windvd
[13:10] <bartmon> shirka:  that's a very strange repo list. why do you use multiple debian repos especially since  you're using ubuntu?
[13:11] <Glukobrassizin> however, the most important thing would be stand alone compatibility
[13:12] <Glukobrassizin> could it be a problem with the used dvd-rw disc?
[13:12] <shirka> i really dont know, in installing ubuntu i had problems with video, wireless network, bluetooth mouse and now mythtv, still have other issues with burning CD's (will chase that another time) so i have been through quite a few articles in getting things working (video & wireless network in particular) .. not sure why i have debian in there, must have put it there at some point .. should i untick ?
[13:13] <bartmon> shirka: Yes, i would untich everything that has debian in the URL
[13:13] <bartmon> shirka: Instead of the debian multimedia repositoried use these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[13:15] <bartmon> Glukobrassizin: Stand alones usually really do read -+RWs badly. But computer drives apparently handle defects better so it should play in Windows.
[13:16] <Glukobrassizin> bartmon, i will try a dvd-r disc as soon as i can get one and try again on the windows computers...
[13:20] <shirka> sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend
[13:21] <shirka> now gives different problem
[13:21] <shirka>  mythtv-frontend: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) but it is not going to be installed
[13:21] <shirka>                    Depends: libmyth-0.21-0 (>= 0.21.0+fixes16838) but it is not going to be installed
[13:31] <bartmon> have you done a refresh of available packages?
[13:34] <shirka> just did a
[13:34] <shirka> sudo apt-get update
[13:34] <shirka> and then retried, but same error
[13:36] <bartmon> Try manually installing these dependencies, you might get a more detailed error: sudo apt-get install liblame0
[13:41] <shirka> ok that seemed to work .. isnt there a package to install all of mythtv rather than doing individual mythtv-frontend, mythtv-backend etc etc ?
[13:56] <bartmon> shirka:
[13:56] <bartmon> shirka: Yes, the package mythbuntu-desktop
[13:57] <bartmon> i think -_-
[13:58] <shirka> looks like it .. 200+mb
[13:59] <bartmon> be warned - it also installs xfce4, a lightweight desktop manager
[14:02] <bartmon> must go - good luck with mythbuntu! ;)
[14:04] <shirka> thanks :)
[14:44] <lofty40> !help
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[15:06] <mdkaneda55> hey, trying to use nuvexport as a userjob in mythtv and it's claiming to successfully complete immediately... in a terminal i can copy and paste the exact command that i specify as the userjob and it runs with no problems (i replace %FILE% with the path to mpg, i even got an encode started only specifying filename, and no path!!)
[15:08] <mdkaneda55> anyone know what could be the issue? also having another possibly related issue... when accessing the frontend from my frontend/backend, my "watch recorded shows" screen only has livetv snippets, none of my actually planned recorded shows.. but from this pc, running mythtv-frontend i can see everything i recorded..
[15:12] <Mersault> I've just installed a frontend only system from the 8.10 Alpha4 disc. My only outstanding issues are 1) The automatic login works, but it just logs me in, it doesn't startup mythfrontend automatically. Also, 2) When it does log me in, it says that the mythbuntu-startup script requires admin privs and prompts me for my password. I need to get these two resolved to get the WAF where it needs to be.
[15:14] <laga_> Mersault: file bugs for these
[15:14] <laga_> also, mentioning "WAF" and "alpha" in one sentence strikes me as odd :
[15:14] <laga_> )
[15:14] <Mersault> this is a good point.
[15:16] <Mersault> Separate bugs for each, or a single bug for login related issues?
[15:18] <lmilano> Hi, I am thinking of buying a gaming console to double as a mytbuntu box ...
[15:18] <lmilano> Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
[15:19] <lmilano> I asked around, apparently the PS3 could be a good choice, what do you all think?
[15:20] <Mersault> laga_: After I file the bug reports, any tips on how to resolve the problem?
[15:20] <laga_> Mersault: yes. debug it and send a patch ;)
[15:20] <laga_> Mersault: find out why mythbuntu-startup invokes sudo/consolekit
[15:20] <laga_> Mersault: maybe it's something in the .desktop file?
[15:21] <laga_> Mersault: is your system completely up to date?
[15:21] <Mersault> yes
[15:21] <Mersault> Installed using the alternate CD of Alpha 4. I did an apt-get update and ugprade as well.
[15:22] <laga_> ah. glad to hear that the alt disk is working ;)
[15:22] <Mersault> heh
[15:23] <Mersault> I ran into some issues using it to install a backend inside a virtual machine in parallels on a mac though.
[15:23] <laga_> always file bug reports ;)
[15:24] <Mersault> that one wasn't consistent, it was failing at different points in the install. I don't like to file bugs that I can't reproduce
[15:40] <Mersault> the file /usr/bin/mythbuntu-startup is supposed to be used with the LiveCD, right? Not once it's installed to HD?
[15:42] <laga_> yeah, i think so
[15:42] <Mersault> in the /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh file, there's an if statement I will paste here:
[15:43] <Mersault> #Mythbuntu live configuration
[15:43] <Mersault> if [ -x /usr/bin/mythbuntu-startup ]; then
[15:43] <Mersault>     gksudo -k "mythbuntu-startup --load"
[15:43] <Mersault> #Mythbuntu normal session
[15:43] <Mersault> else
[15:43] <Mersault> That file exists and is executable on my system, so when session.sh is run, it's going to run that script. If the comments are correct, then it's trying to create the livecd environment
[15:46] <laga_> so /usr/bin/mythbuntu-startup shouldn't be there
[15:47] <laga_> i'd poke superm1 about that, but he's gone
[15:47] <laga_> i hope he wasnt affected by ike
[15:48] <lmilano> ok, so no thougths on the console?
[15:48] <lmilano> nevermind, I can try  in the forums, thanks a lot for the great work anyway, it's lovely to have something like Mythbuntu available
[15:48] <lmilano> see y'all!
[16:23] <Lancer_Koala> anyone have any tips on how to track down what is causing my mythbuntu system to take 20 minutes for 'pre-scaling theme images'?
[16:24] <Lancer_Koala> the whole system is running extremely slow, but I tried the usual suspect like stopping hald and lircd
[16:38] <Lancer_Koala> hrm.. just had the bright idea to try an older kernel.. everything works as usual on 2.6.22-15...
[16:40] <Lancer_Koala> but I'll have to see if it lasts.. it seems hit or miss with 2.6.24-19
[16:40] <Lancer_Koala> sometimes all is fine, sometimes I get the feeling my box wants to remind me how much better it is than a 486 by making me remember what it used to be like
[16:41] <laga_> then file a bug report if it's indeed a regression from 2.6.22
[16:41] <laga_> i guess you're using the opengl painter and sometimes your vga drivers fail you
[16:42] <Lancer_Koala> well, that's why I popped in here.. not sure I know enough about the problem to file a bug yet
[16:42] <laga_> just do it ;)
[16:42] <Lancer_Koala> hrmm.. ya, xorg could be a problem
[16:42] <Lancer_Koala> hah
[16:44] <Lancer_Koala> well, let me see if I can run 2.6.22 stably before I assume it's the kernel.. like I said, 2.6.24 is sometimes ok
[16:44] <Lancer_Koala> the worst part is that I can't figure out what is eating resources..
[16:46] <laga_> ask 'top'?
[16:46] <Lancer_Koala> heh, yes.. I have been
[16:47] <Lancer_Koala> what i mean is that no one process is clearly at fault..
[16:47] <Lancer_Koala> everything is using way more cpu time than normal, but all in about the correct ratios
[16:48] <Lancer_Koala> so if I shutdown myth and most other cpu using procs, I run top and top takes something like 10-20% itself.. that's not right
[16:48] <Lancer_Koala> I seriously feel like I'm on a 486
[16:50] <Lancer_Koala> I'm glad you mentioned opengl painter though, I haven't tried stopping X completely
[16:50] <Lancer_Koala> next time it goes crazy, I'll try that
[16:53] <Lancer_Koala> I wish I could even just figure out what to do to reliably trigger the problem.. it would make debugging a lot easier
[17:03] <Lancer_Koala> uh.. one other thing that should be easy.. during yesterday's upgrade (trying to see if that would help), my dvd is now /dev/dvd1 but used to be /dev/dvd
[17:04] <Lancer_Koala> I could link it, but then I have to modify udev so it sticks over reboot
[17:04] <Lancer_Koala> but I don't see where in myth to point to the dvd device
[17:04] <Lancer_Koala> is there a recommended way to do this?
[17:05] <laga_> you can set that in the mythvideo settings
[17:05] <Lancer_Koala> ah
[17:06] <Lancer_Koala> sweet, I knew that should be easy
[17:08] <Lancer_Koala> laga_: thanks for the help, I think now I just have to wait and see if things go south again
[17:09] <Lancer_Koala> and since shoutcast totally hosed their website, I can pass the time learning how to tweak mythstream
[17:09] <Lancer_Koala> :-)
[20:39] <highno> !help dvbs
[20:40] <highno> hm, anyone around help me setting up channels on my Mythbuntu 8.04.1 with two NOVA-S cards? I am lost - no channel scan works...
[22:05] <Redhammer> hi I am living in the UK, actually in sight of the Crystal Palace transmitter and am having real trouble tuning some channels, I have over 70% signal strength but cannot get a lock
[22:05] <Redhammer> now I have install a variable attenuator and I can get a lock but signal strength drops to low to maintain consistent recording
[22:05] <Redhammer>  any ideas? also the LCN / channel numbers are all messed
[22:05] <Redhammer>  this is dvb reception btw
[23:06] <Valued_Customer> n
[23:27] <MythbuntuGuest49> can anyone point me in the direction to learn how to install flash on my ubuntu install, my son wants to play on toondisney but it requires flash
[23:27] <MythbuntuGuest49> i know it is not myth related, but you are my only resource right now
[23:27] <superm1> install flasplugin nonfree in synaptic
[23:33] <squish102> but if u running 64 bit, i think it is a problem


[02:05] <famadorian> hi, freecycle or shuriken for beat slicing or anything else available for 16.10?
[02:05] <famadorian> can't seem to find any beat slicer to work with 16.10


[06:40] <rsanchez> hello
[06:40] <rsanchez> I'm using the pre-built rootfs image found in the build rootfs from scratch page
[06:41] <rsanchez> I previously used a debian chroot, and now I want to try an ubuntu chroot, but I'm having problems mounting it
[06:42] <rsanchez> was wondering if someone here could help...
[06:43] <rsanchez> basically, I'm trying: mount -o loop ubuntu-arm.img /opt
[06:43] <rsanchez> it's what I did with the debian image, but it's giving me an invalid parameter error
[06:46] <rsanchez> should I really build it from scratch instead of using the prebuilt image?
[06:46] <Orbital_sFear> Hey Guess, I'm reading up on Beagleboards xM.  Looks like theres a lot of material for throwing ubuntu on the board, has anyone tried it in here?  thoughts and feelings?
[06:47] <Orbital_sFear> sigh, hey guys I mean... sorry my fingers type what they want sometimes
[06:48] <Orbital_sFear> no one in here has put ubuntu on a beagle xM?
[06:49] <rsanchez> nope, actually I'm trying to put it on a palm pre
[06:49] <Orbital_sFear> nice!
[06:49] <Orbital_sFear> are those omap based?
[06:49] <rsanchez> yeah
[06:49] <Orbital_sFear> cool
[06:50] <Orbital_sFear> I was just reading up on the new OMAP4440, dual core 1GHz+
[06:50] <rsanchez> I could get debian working, trying ubuntu now
[06:50] <Orbital_sFear> MID or netbook remix?
[06:50] <rsanchez> netbook remix I think?
[06:51] <rsanchez> at least I want netbook remix
[06:51] <Orbital_sFear> prob is, most of teh reading I've seen is using that
[06:51] <Orbital_sFear> are you using uboot?
[06:51] <rsanchez> no
[06:52] <Orbital_sFear> which one are you using to get the linux kernel up?
[06:52] <rsanchez> that must be what I'm missing
[06:52] <Orbital_sFear> well not really, there are others, uboot is the only one I know of though
[06:52] <rsanchez> getting the linux kernel up
[06:52] <Orbital_sFear> well, for embedded anyway
[06:53] <rsanchez> I don't have uboot on my system
[06:53] <Orbital_sFear> not sure if this'll help
[06:53] <Orbital_sFear> http://www.snowbotic.com/archives/33
[06:53] <Orbital_sFear> its for the beagle board but perhaps the logic will transfer
[06:54] <Orbital_sFear> also
[06:54] <Orbital_sFear> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[06:54] <Orbital_sFear> again for the beagle
[06:54] <Orbital_sFear> the only thing that I can think that might kill ya is if the kernel is missing an important module
[06:54] <Orbital_sFear> typicaly
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> the nand flash has a loader which gets the omap online
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> configures the mmu and stuff
[06:55] <rsanchez> well I don't want to install it completely
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> then uboot wakes, gets memory ready, gets th mmu ready for linux
[06:55] <rsanchez> I still want to use the phone :)
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> then it gives it to linux and away you go
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> lol ya =)
[06:55] <rsanchez> I just want to chroot it
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> I don't know anything about hacking on pre's
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> ah
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> oooo
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> well heck
[06:55] <Orbital_sFear> in that case
[06:56] <Orbital_sFear> debian would prob be better
[06:56] <rsanchez> they have a guide for debian
[06:56] <Orbital_sFear> I'd stick with that
[06:56] <rsanchez> nothing on ubuntu though
[06:56] <Orbital_sFear> I did that on my G1
[06:56] <Orbital_sFear> ubuntu wont help you much
[06:56] <rsanchez> yeah but I just want to try it
[06:56] <Orbital_sFear> to my knowledge, you can't give the display over to the chroot
[06:56] <rsanchez> just to see what it's like
[06:57] <rsanchez> on ubuntu?
[06:57] <Orbital_sFear> right
[06:57] <Orbital_sFear> the pre OS owns the display
[06:57] <Orbital_sFear> I don't know of any way for them to play nicely there
[06:57] <rsanchez> but on debian you can
[06:57] <Orbital_sFear> but
[06:57] <Orbital_sFear> really?
[06:57] <Orbital_sFear> get x running and have it take over?
[06:57] <rsanchez> you mean running a window manager and other graphical applications?
[06:58] <Orbital_sFear> right
[06:58] <Orbital_sFear> I know you can ssh in, and xforward
[06:58] <Orbital_sFear> but I wasn't aware that you could run something like gnome or kde with that kinda setup
[06:58] <rsanchez> yeah, I could run chromium, openoffice, icewm, etc
[06:58] <Orbital_sFear> dude thats bad ass
[06:58] <Orbital_sFear> does the pre use X for its rendering?
[06:58] <rsanchez> well you have to install an x server
[06:59] <rsanchez> but the homebrew folks make that easy
[06:59] <Orbital_sFear> thats sweet
[06:59] <Orbital_sFear> so the pre must be xorg based for its render engine, which lets you export the display over to it and run some apps
[06:59] <Orbital_sFear> very sexy
[07:00] <rsanchez> if you want to see it, search openoffice on pre on youtube
[07:00] <Orbital_sFear> I will
[07:00] <Orbital_sFear> well
[07:00] <rsanchez> it runs slow as hell, but still runs
[07:00] <Orbital_sFear> for getting ubuntu going
[07:00] <rsanchez> chromium is much nicer
[07:00] <Orbital_sFear> check out those links I sent you
[07:00] <Orbital_sFear> if you can dump ubuntu to a single img file and chroot to it like debian
[07:00] <rsanchez> I'll do that, thanks
[07:00] <Orbital_sFear> it should work the same
[07:01] <Orbital_sFear> ensure your env variables are setup correctly so X knows where to go
[07:01] <Orbital_sFear> in the chroot
[07:01] <rsanchez> I was basically just using the prebuilt image file found towards the bottom of the build a rootfs from scratch page
[07:02] <Orbital_sFear> ah, well that should work
[07:02] <Orbital_sFear> that part is pretty straight forward
[07:02] <rsanchez> what I'm doing is trying to use the same commands I used to chroot debian
[07:02] <Orbital_sFear> and its failing on you?
[07:03] <rsanchez> there's a short guide here: www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian
[07:03] <rsanchez> at the first step in activating debian rootfs, you do mount -o loop img /media/cf
[07:04] <rsanchez> replace img with path to ubuntu arm image
[07:04] <rsanchez> but mount is failing telling me it has incorrect parameters
[07:05] <Orbital_sFear> hummm
[07:05] <Orbital_sFear> what fs is the img?
[07:05] <Orbital_sFear> perhaps the per doesn't have the fs module built in
[07:05] <Orbital_sFear> like
[07:05] <Orbital_sFear> if the img is ext4 and the pre only supports ext2/3
[07:05] <rsanchez> hmm, I actually don't know
[07:06] <Orbital_sFear> I forget the command off the top of my head
[07:06] <Orbital_sFear> but google around for getting mount to tell you what fs it supports
[07:06] <Orbital_sFear> then on your machine
[07:06] <Orbital_sFear> run
[07:06] <Orbital_sFear> file xxx.img
[07:06] <Orbital_sFear> and it shoudl tell you what its built in
[07:09] <Orbital_sFear> also, try running the mount command your machine directly, make sure it works there first
[07:10] <rsanchez> ok,  hold on...
[07:11] <rsanchez> the ubuntu image is ext4
[07:11] <rsanchez> the pre supports 2/3, don't know about 4
[07:12] <Orbital_sFear> suck
[07:12] <Orbital_sFear> ummm
[07:12] <Orbital_sFear> well
[07:12] <Orbital_sFear> the easiest thing would be to get a ext3 build of ubuntu
[07:13] <Orbital_sFear> you can install a ext4 kernel module without building a new kernel
[07:13] <Orbital_sFear> but that would take more time to get working
[07:13] <rsanchez> I would do that in the build a rootfs page right?
[07:13] <Orbital_sFear> check you can simple convert the ext4 img to ext3
[07:13] <Orbital_sFear> I think so yes
[07:14] <rsanchez> how can I convert the img?
[07:14] <Orbital_sFear> don't even know if its possible
[07:14] <rsanchez> ok
[07:15] <rsanchez> in the page it where it says create a filesystem on the image, it uses mkfs.ext4, could I just do mkfs.ext3?
[07:15] <Orbital_sFear> right
[07:16] <rsanchez> alright, everything else looks pretty straigtforward
[07:16] <rsanchez> I'll be  back in a bit let you know if I make progress
[07:17] <Orbital_sFear> cool man
[07:17] <rsanchez> I really just want to try ubuntu to see how the unity desktop would work
[07:19] <Orbital_sFear> gf just called, =) gl man, later
[08:35] <LetoThe2nd> g'mornin
[08:38] <ndec> ogra_ac_: hi. did you see my question yesterday (about cpuburn not being for armel in ubuntu/universe, even though it's built fine in debian/sid)? well, even if you replied I lost my IRC, so I didn't see your answer...
[08:51] <hrw> ndec: I did not saw answer
[08:52] <ndec> hrw: thx... do you have any idea what the problem can be? i installed the package from debian, and it worked fine on panda. it's just not build on LP
[08:56] <hrw> no idea, sorry
[08:57] <hrw> rebuilding package on panda
[08:58] <hrw> built fine
[08:58] <hrw> -rwxr-xr-x root/root       648 2010-11-25 09:57 ./usr/bin/burnCortexA8
[08:58] <hrw> -rwxr-xr-x root/root       632 2010-11-25 09:57 ./usr/bin/burnCortexA9
[08:58] <hrw> small stuff
[09:00] <hrw> ndec: open a bug
[09:00] <ndec> hrw: sure
[09:03] <ndec> hrw: ogra: I entered LP#681267
[09:04] <hrw> bug 681267
[09:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 681267 in cpuburn (Ubuntu) "Packages for armel are missing (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681267
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> hm, I already was here yesterday evening - looking for a way/occasion to get deeper into ubuntu/arm. i can offer good c knowledge and basic kernel code understanding, so what would be a point to start? or even, what would be a task that needs to be done and can be used for a learner?
[09:06] <hrw> confirmed
[09:07] <hrw> LetoThe2nd: grab supported arm board, run ubuntu on it. then check does everything works. if something does not then check on x86(-64) and submit proper bugs
[09:07] <hrw> then fix them
[09:09] <LetoThe2nd> hrw: should that be translated to: go get a pandaboard and try to find bugs on it?
[09:11] <hrw> beagleboard xm is easier to get
[09:12] <hrw> LetoThe2nd: using systems allows to find thigns which needs work. I fixed byobu on smp arm recently to show proper cpu frequency.
[09:12] <hrw> fix was very simple but without it byobu shown "2x2.0GHz" insted of "2x1.0GHz"
[09:13] <hrw> if I would not use byobu on pandaboard bug maybe will be ignored or not even found
[09:14] <LetoThe2nd> i see. :-) but why is the bb xm easier to get than the pb?
[09:16] <hrw> bbxm is available right now
[09:16] <hrw> pb has order queue
[09:19] <LetoThe2nd> i see. ubuntu ist armv7-only, right? I already have an openrd lying around somewhere nearby...
[09:23] <LetoThe2nd> arm what arch is the userland based on?
[09:24] <LetoThe2nd> s/arm/or/
[09:51] <zumbi_> LetoThe2nd: for openrd, kirkwood based cannot run ubuntu-arm
[09:51] <LetoThe2nd> zumbi_: why?
[09:51] <zumbi_> LetoThe2nd: because ubuntu-arm defaults to armv7 and kirkwood is armv5
[09:52] <zumbi_> LetoThe2nd: you could use debian-arm instead or something else
[09:52] <LetoThe2nd> zumbi_: its running debian at the moment :/
[09:53] <zumbi_> LetoThe2nd: no ptxdist?
[09:53] <LetoThe2nd> zumbi_: no - i never felt like doing a bsp for it.
[09:55] <LetoThe2nd> though i wonder, because the openrd came with 9.04 preinstalled. so how did they do that? rebuild from scratch, or is it that only the ubuntu provided kernels want armv7 and the userland might run on v5?
[09:56] <hrw> LetoThe2nd: 9.04 was armv5
[09:56] <LetoThe2nd> ah.
[09:56] <hrw> 9.10 was armv6, 10.04+ are armv7
[10:21] <LetoThe2nd> hm... guess i need some new hardware then. the only armv7 i've git has 64k RAM 192k Flash ;-)
[10:26] <hrw> LetoThe2nd: Cortex-M0 based?
[10:28] <LetoThe2nd> M3
[11:00] <apw> ogra, lool, there was some talk at UDS about whether we would continue to use versatile for QEMU ... did we bottom out on that
[11:03] <ogra_ac_> apw, depends on rsalveti-afk's research for a new qemu solution
[11:03] <ogra_ac_> we can only drop versatile if we have another solution
[11:04] <apw> any idea when that is planned to report?  i have a work item about it marked for natty-alpha-1 and suspect we won't know by then
[11:04] <ogra_ac_> definitiely not A1
[11:06] <apw> ogra_ac_, ta
[11:06] <ogra_ac_> apw, just add a dependency
[11:06] <ogra_ac_> (you can make specs depend on other specs)
[11:06] <ogra_ac_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-arm-n-more-stable-vm-solution-for-arm
[11:08] <ogra_ac_> (at the very bottom of your spec there is a "add dependency" button, just link to the other spec with that)
[11:09] <ogra_ac_> dont expect much implementation work pre-A1 from our team, most of us have to burn vacation days before end of the year
[11:12] <hrw> apw: also check for linaro qemu specs
[11:12] <lool> apw: I don't remember us reaching a particular decision  :-/  maybe pm215 remembers better
[11:12] <apw> hrw, are we expecting anything from linaro in that space?  i don't remember us having dep there
[11:13] <hrw> apw: I do not remember neither what is planned for qemu in linaro
[11:14] <lool> apw: I've pinged pm215 who's leading the qemu work within Linaro; he probably recalls better whether we decided for OMAP3 in Ubuntu or keeping versatile
[11:15] <lool> Hmm unfortunately he is on leave starting today until Monday
[11:15] <lool> I'll shoot him an email
[11:29] <ogra_ac_> lool, apw, conclusion was to check the suitability of the existing qemu-omap from linaro and if that fits and is packageable for the archive, switch over to it
[11:29] <ogra_ac_> (see the workitems on the spec)
[11:33] <apw> ogra_ac_, lool, ack, have made my spec dep on that one and moved my items out to natty-alpha-2 to match when we might have a decision from you guys
[11:36] <ogra_ac_> thanks
[11:58] <lool> ogra: Which spec is that with the qemu-omap decision?
[12:10] <zyga> lool, how can I rename a python script foo.py to foo when building a debian package? There is a policy that scripts should not use the language suffix in debian but for other OSes and source in general I'd like to keep that around. Could you help me with this?
[12:13] <zyga> lool, feel free to respond in #linaro
[15:13] <rsanchez> hello
[15:13] <rsanchez> I'm trying to setup the network on my arm rootfs, but can't get it to setup
[15:14] <rsanchez> following instructions here under Configuring ARM Image for Project Builds: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ARM/BuildArmPackages
[15:14] <rsanchez> dhclient ends telling me "No working leases in persistent database"
[15:19] <rsanchez> how can I get networking set up?
[16:36] <surferdude> Hi all, trying to get ubuntu 10.10 running on my Beagleboard xM and I'm running into a problem with starting a gui
[16:37] <ogra_ac> it shoud start by default
[16:37] <ogra_ac> *should
[16:37] <surferdude> The only image I could find is a base image without the gui preinstalled
[16:37] <ogra_ac> ??
[16:37] <ogra_ac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[16:38] <topfs2> hehe, then it sounds like expected behaviour is no gui :)
[16:38] <surferdude> ah, thanks
[16:38] <topfs2> should be apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:38] <topfs2> or something lighter than that perhaps
[16:38] <surferdude> I was using the guide at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Beagle_xM
[16:39] <ogra_ac> ah
[16:39] <topfs2> those guides are so complicated :)
[16:39] <ogra_ac> thats a community maintained image
[16:39] <ogra_ac> the one linked on the ubuntu wiki is the official maverick release
[16:43] <apw> lool, sounds like peter is saying nothing happening this cycle on the QEMU model change
[16:45] <lool> apw: Well, unless we find it acceptable to have qemu-omap in Ubuntu
[16:46] <lool> apw: up to ogra and team I guess
[16:46] <lool> apw: we have it in a PPA for Linaro
[16:47] <ogra_ac> right, and our decision is up to rsalveti-afk's research
[16:47] <ogra_ac> which also needs to include research about the omap3 kernel we'll be using
[16:48] <ogra_ac> so another linaro omap3 check is needed here
[16:48] <ogra_ac> (but since i assume linaro uses their own kernel for it i dont expect issues)
[17:18] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, fix released for Bug 663642 ? has the package been moved from -proposed to -updates ?
[17:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663642 in linux-linaro (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "DVI doesn't work at BeagleBoard xM rev A3 (affects: 1) (heat: 107)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663642
[17:18] <ogra_ac> (the bug doesnt indicate any action from the SRU team)
[17:18] <GrueMaster> According to the package info, it was pushed to maverick updates.
[17:19] <GrueMaster> (and the sub-projects also indicate that)
[17:19] <ogra_ac> hmm
[17:19] <ogra_ac> ---------------
[17:19] <ogra_ac> linux (2.6.35-23.40) maverick-proposed; urgency=low
[17:20] <ogra_ac> is what i see for the package, usually a member of the SRU team comments that it was copied over
[17:20]  * ogra_ac is just scared that we have to redo it again if there is a bit of the process missing
[17:21] <GrueMaster> I also had av500 on #beagle check.
[17:22] <ogra_ac> but not comment :/
[17:23] <ogra_ac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux/2.6.35-23.40
[17:23] <ogra_ac> aha
[17:23] <ogra_ac> moved to -updates yesterday
[17:23] <ogra_ac> err, two days ago
[17:23] <ogra_ac> ok
[17:25] <GrueMaster> yea.  And the maverick sub-project was already marked fix-released.  I was just making the bug report complete so it doesn't come up in queries again.
[17:25] <ogra_ac> yeah
[17:26] <ogra_ac> sorry, i was just overcautious
[17:26] <ogra_ac> since that bug already fired back once
[17:26] <GrueMaster> Believe me, so was I before I made the change.
[17:26] <ogra_ac> heh
[17:27] <GrueMaster> I was told on our pdx chat channel yesterday that they were preparing to fire out a security update.  My hackles went up into overdrive.
[17:27] <ogra_ac> geez
[17:28] <ogra_ac> next UDS please make up a spec to solve these issues (and subscribe the whole kernel team :P )
[17:28] <GrueMaster> Remember how many times I tested the network fix for babbage in Lucid?
[17:28] <ogra_ac> yep
[17:28] <ogra_ac> we really need to spec it
[17:28] <ogra_ac> to sort the process
[17:29] <ogra_ac> somehow that fell off the shelf this UDS
[17:29] <GrueMaster> I found out part of the problem.  When bugs are filed for some kernel updates that affect armel, no armel tag gets added, and our team is not subscribed.
[17:29] <GrueMaster> They just tag it verification-needed and assume we know.
[17:30] <ogra_ac> that would surely be a good first move
[17:30] <ogra_ac> buut it will change if we switch to the other kernel
[17:30] <ogra_ac> since both of our kernels will live in separate packages then
[17:30] <ogra_ac> we can define apport hooks for us
[17:32] <GrueMaster> The bugs I'm referring to are ABI updates from marvell and freescale.
[17:32] <ogra_ac> right, we didnt do apport hooks at all in the past
[17:32] <GrueMaster> They don't get filed with apport.
[17:33] <ogra_ac> well, lets just make up a policy for non apport bugs so the kernel team has something to work along
[17:34] <GrueMaster> We already have one.  Couldn't find the wiki yesterday, but we had this discussion with certain linaro people last cycle.
[17:35] <GrueMaster> I'll search again using google.
[17:35] <ogra_ac> yeah, we had one in the past
[17:35] <ogra_ac> i think it lives in the arm namespace
[17:40] <surferdude> :/
[17:41] <surferdude> put the official ubuntu image on my sdcard, not getting any video at all
[17:42] <ogra_ac> what revision is your XM ?
[17:42] <surferdude> -00
[17:42] <surferdude> i think that's an A2
[17:42] <ogra_ac> hmm, A2 should work
[17:42] <ogra_ac> A3 has an extra section on the wiki
[17:42] <surferdude> ...
[17:43] <ogra_ac> for a video issue
[17:43] <surferdude> now all of a sudden the activity lights on the sdcard are blinking
[17:44] <ogra_ac> but you dont see a splash screen on the monitor ?
[17:44] <surferdude> nope, nothing
[17:45] <surferdude> using the image at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz
[17:45] <ogra_ac> yeah
[17:46] <ogra_ac> that should work, first boot gets you into text mode and resizes the image to the full size of the SD, then it reboots into the graphical setup
[17:47] <surferdude> I hope my board isn't dead
[17:57] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: I amnot finding anything other than a meeting log from way back reference that plars updated it.
[17:57] <ogra_ac> hmm
[17:57] <GrueMaster> I wonder if it was deleted?
[17:57] <ogra_ac> probably plars remembers
[17:57] <ogra_ac> though thanksgiving is probably not the day to ask
[17:57] <ogra_ac> why are you working btw ?
[18:11] <fredim> The ubuntu-arm starts only in the initramfs, what should be?
[18:12] <fredim> in beagleboard
[18:13] <ogra_ac> can you rephrase that ?
[18:15]  * ogra_ac cant make any sense out of that sentence
[18:19] <fredim> I'm following: https: / / wiki.ubuntu.com / ARM / BeagleNetbookInstall
[18:20] <fredim> Do not start the setup screen,
[18:20] <fredim> initramfs starts to enter commands
[18:20] <GrueMaster> You need to follow the section for beagleboards that have nand.  Use a serial console to tell the beagleboard to boot from SD.
[18:23] <fredim> Connecting BeagleBoard on the computer?
[18:23] <fredim> Using usb-serial, or usb?
[18:24] <GrueMaster> You need to connect to the serial port on the beagle.
[18:35] <ogra_ac> i dont thinnk we had serial enabled on the lucid images
[18:35] <ogra_ac> oh, for typing in the fatload, yeah
[18:36]  * ogra_ac would recommend using the maverick images instead of lucid though
[18:36] <ogra_ac> they dont take ages to run the installer
[19:06] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: I think I found the wiki.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/BugWorkflow  Need to move it to Arm/ and tweek it for latest info.  I'll try to work on that next week.
[19:07] <GrueMaster> I was surprised I couldn't find it even with google.
[19:08] <GrueMaster> Fortunately, it ws in my bookmarks on my home system (just wish firefox still used html files instead of XML files for bookmarks).
[19:09] <GrueMaster> Well, I'm off for family fun (i.e. watching the family play some boring card game while I cozy up with the PS3).


[04:12] <aerth> just installed on a hpmini 110 and stuck at /dev/sda1 clean, ____ files ___ blocks
[04:12] <ianorlin> aerth, that might mean the GUI is not working
[04:12] <aerth> i press ctrl+alt f1 and i see the login prompt but after a moment it switches back to the /dev/sda1 clean, 12550/970000 files
[04:12] <ianorlin> aerth, ugh
[04:13] <onehy> hi, im having a little problem with wifi?
[04:13] <aerth>  maybe screen resolution? because its a small netbook
[04:13] <ianorlin> aerth can you reboot and get into the grub menu?
[04:13] <aerth>  yeah
[04:13] <ianorlin> !nomodeset
[04:13] <ianorlin> probably a graphics problem
[04:13] <onehy> im on a macbook pro 7,1, and on basically all ubuntus pre-16.04 the wifi worked fine
[04:13] <aerth> k thanks a bunch
[04:13] <onehy> bit of fiddling needed to start it, but it worked
[04:13] <onehy> now it just wont work at all
[04:14] <ianorlin> onehy, do you know what wifi card it is?
[04:14] <onehy> 14e4:432b
[04:14] <ianorlin> !bcm
[04:15] <aerth> !grub
[04:15] <onehy> yeah ive tried those steps, and the proprietary driver is installed (because the free driver is unfortunately shit), but it doesnt show any wireless points to connect to
[04:15] <onehy> even though there are
[04:16] <aerth> i guess i cant see the grub menu (if there is one)
[04:16] <aerth>  shit
[04:16] <aerth>  shift*
[04:16] <onehy> im using the bcmwl-kernel-source package
[04:18] <aerth> thanks a bunch ianorlin its got a mouse now! :D
[04:27] <onehy> any ideas?
[04:29] <aerth> i just got wifi on the mini hp 110 with apt-get install firmware-b43-installer && sudo modprobe -rv b43 && sudo modprobe -v b43
[04:29] <aerth> very happy with lubuntu on a < 1gb netbook. ubuntu was not working out on it.
[04:31] <aerth> later yall
[04:32] <onehy> thats the driver that hardly works at all on my laptop
[04:47] <ianorlin> onehy in the network manager applet do you have enable wifi checked if you do not that could be a derp moment
[04:48] <swift110-phone> bhry
[04:48] <swift110-phone> h etc
[04:48] <swift110-phone> hey ianorlin
[04:49] <onehy> yes
[04:51] <ianorlin> onehy you still have the network manager applet in 16.04 right
[04:52] <onehy> yes i do
[04:52] <ianorlin> onehy and you know the wifi networks are up from like the device you are on irc with?
[04:53] <onehy> im currently using an ethernet cable on my laptop (convenience), but i have other devices that are accessing the wifi network fine
[05:28] <swift110-phone> hey onehy
[06:27] <onehy> okay so fiddling about a bit, my wifi did work after putting it to sleep and waking it up
[06:27] <onehy> but then i had to restart my computer for various reasons and now it wont work
[06:29] <Silly-chan> please, can someone paste "dpkg --get-selections" after *fresh* install?
[06:30]  * Silly-chan installed a tons of packages, and accidentaly delete /var/logs
[06:30]  * Silly-chan wanna erase any packages which is not in lubuntu by default
[06:38] <onehy> ianorlin: sorry about running off earlier; any ideas?
[06:50] <onehy> arghhh i dont get it
[06:50] <onehy> it worked fine in 15.10
[06:52] <CheesyKitty> please, can someone paste "dpkg --get-selections" after *fresh* install?
[06:52]  * Silly-chan sorry for repeating....
[08:40] <sacarde> hi
[08:44] <sacarde> if I run "do-release-upgrade" I dont find any upgrade release
[08:44] <sacarde> if I run "do-release-upgrade -d" yes
[08:45] <sacarde> what do you suggest me to do, on a mini-macppc ram=512mb ? now I have lubuntu14.04
[08:58] <hateball> sacarde: You wont get prompted for 16.04 until 16.04.1 which releases in june
[08:58] <hateball> sacarde: unless, as you've noted, use the -d flag
[08:59]  * Silly-chan solve my problem: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.4/release/lubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.manifest
[08:59]  * Silly-chan hope it helps somenyan
[09:06] <sacarde> if only 512mb ram, do you suggest me to run lubuntu14.04 or 16.06 ?
[09:09] <Silly-chan> sacarde: mainly ram eats by browser/office; if possible, use palemoon browser; hope it helps you a bit
[09:09] <Silly-chan> sacarde: zram/zswap can maybe helps you
[16:11] <pitiye> i am running 15.04 and want to install 16.04 on a different partition, while being still on 15.04, and without using grub iso boot. is this possible ?
[19:54] <dzho> ah, too late
[19:57] <Hacken> Hello guys, i installed lubuntu today on a usb using virtualbox, but on all computers i've tried it on, it's super laggy. It's a 3.0 at 8gb, please help?
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Hacken: when was your computer made? what's the model of the flash drive? how did you make the flash drive?
[20:08] <Hacken> Ive tried it on my macbook air(2014) and my main pc, 3 years old. The flashdrive is called Kingston datatraveler 111, I installed it by running a virtual machine(Virtual box) but mounting the usb instead of the virtual drive(Following a guide i found regarding the subject)
[20:09] <Hacken> It has only one partion(/), no swap
[20:12] <ianorlin> Hacken in virtualbox do you have hardware virtualization enabled?
[20:12] <ianorlin> and is it 32 or 64 bit lubuntu
[20:12] <Hacken> 32 bit
[20:12] <ianorlin> although sometimes usb is a slower more latent bus
[20:12] <ianorlin> macbook air has a sata ssd right
[20:13] <Hacken> Yes
[20:13] <Hacken> (i think)
[20:13] <ianorlin> yeah those are a lot faster then that 8 GB usb 3.0 drive
[20:13] <Hacken> ok
[20:14] <Hacken> So basiclly, the usb is just really slow? even compared to an hdd?
[20:14] <Hacken> (Also hardware virtualization is on)
[20:14] <ianorlin> yes withuot that it is really laggy
[20:15] <ianorlin> I don't know that particular drive but yes they are not the fastest as that  is why the usb flashdrives are inexpensive
[20:17] <Hacken> Ok, well thanks for the help, could not find anything about why it was lagging so thanks, need to go now
[20:17] <ianorlin> well do you have enough free space to test on a the main drive and if it is faster then you know it is the usb drive
[20:37] <dust> https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09375
[22:39] <ignacio_> Hello
[22:40] <ignacio_> lubuntu 16.04 doesn't show
[22:40] <ignacio_> try before install
[22:40] <ignacio_> is that normal?
[22:44] <dty> Hi all.  I have just upgraded from a recent install of 15.10.  After rebooting and logging in, the screen locks up after a second or two and I am unable to switch displays but I can switch displays from log in screen and log into the command line.
[22:46] <teward> ignacio_: probably not, i'm downloading the Lubuntu image now to do a test
[22:47] <teward> ignacio_: are you using the Lubuntu Desktop ISO, or the Alternate ISO?
[22:47] <ignacio_> I downloaded xubuntu now.. I will try with xubuntu :(
[22:47] <teward> ignacio_: because the Desktop 16.04 ISO *does* show "Try Lubuntu WIthout Installing"
[22:47] <ignacio_> 192:Downloads ignacio$ rm -rf lubuntu lubuntu-16.04-alternate-i386.iso lubuntu-16.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[22:47] <ignacio_> ohh.
[22:47] <ignacio_> Ok, thats because I didn't downloaded it from lubuntu.net
[22:47] <ignacio_> where it still shows 15.10
[22:48] <teward> ignacio_: that's the alternate installer
[22:48] <ignacio_> so its doesn't have live?
[22:48] <teward> ignacio_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/ is one of the locations Lubuntu ISOs can find it
[22:48] <ignacio_> do you know here can I report that it still shows 15.10?
[22:48] <teward> i think that wxl and others need to update the Lubuntu site
[22:48] <teward> ignacio_: they know
[22:48] <ignacio_> Oh
[22:48] <ignacio_> ok
[22:48] <ignacio_> Thank you
[22:48] <wxl> we talking about lubuntu.net?
[22:48] <ignacio_> wxl: indded
[22:48] <ignacio_> *indeed :3
[22:49] <teward> wxl: ohai, you're alive :)
[22:49] <wxl> ignacio_: it's kind of a long story, but that's not the "official" site
[22:49] <wxl> lubuntu.me is
[22:49] <wxl> update your bookmarks
[22:49] <ignacio_> its the one that i remember
[22:49] <teward> o.O
[22:49] <ignacio_> well.
[22:49] <ignacio_> how about redirect in lubuntu.net? :-/
[22:49] <wxl> because we have no control over it
[22:49] <wxl> it's run by the guy who started lubuntu
[22:49] <wxl> and who is no longer involved in it at all
[22:50] <wxl> we've struggled to make something else happen, including a redirect
[22:50] <ignacio_> have you tried to talk with him?
[22:50] <ignacio_> ;-;
[22:50] <wxl> so we decided to move on and make lubuntu.me
[22:50] <teward> wxl: i assume you're ignoring my PMs
[22:50] <wxl> teward: i'm answering them here too :)
[22:51] <wxl> if you look at the wiki, lp, and any place we do have control over, they all mention lubuntu.me


[00:02] <adrenaline_> bluesabre, looking
[00:05] <adrenaline_> Looks promising. I am going to mess with it this weekend.
[00:51] <Quantibility> Wow
[00:51] <Quantibility> That was weird
[00:55] <Quantibility> Can anybody help with my startup stalls after update please im using a phone.. anyone?
[01:01] <Quantibility> So, im in terminal and have net support,  ideas?
[01:03] <xubuntu329> I stall xubuntu today and i want to know why the wifi is not working...
[01:03] <xubuntu329> Can somebody help me?
[01:04] <HedgeMage> xubuntu329: We'll need more specific information in order to help you, but we'll try. :)
[01:04] <xubuntu329> okay
[01:05] <HedgeMage> xubuntu329: Define "not working" -- what error do you see?  What wifi chipset do you have?  anything else we should know?
[01:05] <Quantibility> He gets help?
[01:05] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: hrm...
[01:05] <Quantibility> Com on
[01:05] <xubuntu329> i'm brasilian, so..maybe i will write some wrong words
[01:05] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Relax, he was talking when I glanced over.  I do read backscroll.
[01:06] <Quantibility> Thnx
[01:06] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Is this a new install or are you updating an existing one?
[01:06] <Quantibility> Updating
[01:06] <Quantibility> Existing
[01:07] <xubuntu329> how can i see if have?
[01:07] <cfhowlett> !br | xubuntu329
[01:08] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Please first check that you have not filled up /boot to the point that ubuntu can't write to it
[01:08] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: "du -sh /boot" as root should do the trick.
[01:09] <Quantibility> 4 days of figuring this out ive done most  things
[01:09] <Quantibility> Done
[01:10] <Quantibility> Restart?
[01:10] <HedgeMage> No, that's just to get info
[01:11] <Quantibility> 85m /boot
[01:11] <HedgeMage> out of how much total?
[01:11] <xubuntu329> where i go to update system? (drives too)
[01:11] <Quantibility> Uh? 85M
[01:12] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Sorry... "du" stands for "disk usage", it tells you how much of /boot is full, but not how much total space /boot has... for the latter look at the output of "lsblk"
[01:12] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: then we know if you have space enough left
[01:13] <Quantibility> Just says 85M
[01:13] <HedgeMage> The most common reason for xubuntu to suddenly become unbootable after update is running out of space in /boot...the default update client is happy to fail silently in this case, much to my dismay
[01:13] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: both "lsblk" and "du" show 85M for /boot?  if so, it's full
[01:14] <Quantibility> Ok how do I ...
[01:14] <Quantibility> Fix it?
[01:20] <xubuntu329> at mine don't show any "/boot"...
[01:20] <Quantibility> Interesting how do I make space the right way?
[01:22] <Quantibility>  HedgeMage: ? Im a little new and I know to be patient. . Its been 4 days
[01:23] <bazhang> pastebin the output of lsblk  <-----quan
[01:23] <bazhang> he quit
[01:24] <bazhang> !paste | Quantibility
[01:25] <Quantibility> I can not start xubuntu.  I can not "paste" I am on a phone.. xubuntu stalls at boot
[01:26] <Quantibility> 4 days.  Im trying patience.  It difficult.
 Just says 85M  <---- wheres that from
[01:27] <Quantibility> Du outputs 85M /boot
[01:27] <xubuntu329> how to fix my wifi?......
[01:27] <bazhang> how'd you get that if it wont boot Quantibility
[01:27] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Sorry, my son woke up and needed me.
[01:28] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: How did you get the 85M number for us?
[01:28] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: honorable
[01:28] <bazhang> !wifi | xubuntu329 have a read
[01:29] <xubuntu329> ...
[01:29] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: I am in (recovery mode) as root with network
[01:30] <Quantibility> 4 days dude 4 days
[01:30] <bazhang> Quantibility, give us the output of lsblk
[01:30] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: So you are in recovery mode booting to your installed xubuntu, or you are using a liveCD?
[01:30] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Because "I booted into recovery mode" and "I can't boot" are VERY different scenarios.
[01:30] <Quantibility> No.  HedgeMage installed.
[01:31] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: im a noob?       Si    Sda2
[01:34] <Quantibility> Ugh
[01:34] <xubuntu329> uowl
[01:35] <xubuntu329> so..
[01:35] <Quantibility> Can I just take a pic and post somewhere?
[01:35] <xubuntu329> i will check this web site..
[01:35] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329, 14.04 and 12.04 are supported.
[01:35] <Quantibility> Wheere can I put pictures of output?
[01:36] <cfhowlett> !paste | Quantibility
[01:36] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: imagebin works, as does imgur
[01:41] <xubuntu329> my brother installed lubuntu a long time ago..but he had the same problem..after that he installed the xunbutu, an it works...
[01:41] <Quantibility> Ugh thats was http://ibin.co/1a8sLpuZYO5I HedgeMage
[01:42]  * HedgeMage looks
[01:42] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Okay, good...that is a start...now we know that /boot is not overfull.
[01:43] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Are you able to do "apt-get update" in recovery mode?
[01:43] <HedgeMage> If you got a bad package, it may have been fixed by now, and we can check for new packages and install them.
[01:43] <Quantibility> Yes im networked
[01:43] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329, what does your terminal tell you about this:  cat /etc/issue
[01:44] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: then after "apt-get update" do "apt-get upgrade"
[01:44] <Quantibility> Ok
[01:44] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: then reboot and see if it helped...if not, we'll troubleshoot further.
[01:44] <Quantibility> Sure
[01:44] <xubuntu329> let me see
[01:45] <Quantibility> Thats new to me been waiting for updates
[01:46] <xubuntu329> is just digit that at?
[01:46] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329,     cat /etc/issue
[01:48] <xubuntu329> that:       ubuntu 14.04. 1  LTS \ n \ L
[01:49] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: crosses fingers
[01:49] <HedgeMage> good luck, Quantibility !
[01:49] <cfhowlett> !details |xubuntu329, good.  now ... details of your issue!
[01:50] <xubuntu329> okay
[01:50] <xubuntu329> i will try to explain
[01:50] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: YAY!
[01:50] <Quantibility> UH
[01:51] <Quantibility> Wait
[01:51] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: I take it you are booting normally now?
[01:52] <xubuntu329> my wirelless don't have conection...like..am..Don't have any option to connect via wifi....
[01:53] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: nope still broke
[01:53] <HedgeMage> :/
[01:53] <Quantibility> Giving output
[01:53] <xubuntu329> just with cable
[01:56] <cfhowlett> !wifi | xubuntu329
[01:56] <xubuntu329> i have already saw that....
[01:56] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: no sir still stuck stops at *stopping  send an event to indicate Plymouth is up [ok]
[01:57] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: have you tried interactive boot?
[01:58] <Quantibility> Uh? 0_0
[01:58] <Quantibility> No?
[01:58]  * HedgeMage wonders if a default xubuntu install allows that
[01:58] <Quantibility> It be nice
[01:59] <Quantibility> I got the disk running. ..
[01:59] <Quantibility> I need this comp up
[01:59] <Quantibility> I wanna not reinstall
[02:00] <cfhowlett> Quantibility, you're stuck in windows thinking.  NO ONE said you must reinstall.
[02:00] <Quantibility> Yeah I know
[02:00] <cfhowlett> Quantibility, HedgeMage suggested interactive boot - a great suggestion!
[02:00] <Quantibility> Dont know how
[02:00] <xubuntu329> and about this comand              sudo apt-get update
[02:01] <Quantibility> olease describe procedure
[02:01] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Sorry I'm slow...I have a kid who keeps trying to be awake and am troubleshooting my bf's Slackware breakage
[02:01] <cfhowlett> HedgeMage, ewww ... TMI!
[02:01] <cfhowlett> HedgeMage, oh, wait ... software ... ewww!
[02:01] <Quantibility> Lol
[02:02] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: I just need. It up soo
[02:02] <Quantibility> N
[02:02] <Quantibility> Soon
[02:02] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Understood, doing my best
[02:02]  * cfhowlett not gonna say it - not gonna say it ..
[02:04]  * HedgeMage wonders if pointing out that she has three boyfriends, all of whom are Linux users, will make cfhowlett's head explode
[02:04] <cfhowlett> HedgeMage, *boom*  ... mind ... blown   :)
[02:05] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:05] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Okay, back for the moment...
[02:05] <QuantiliveCD> Hedge
[02:05] <HedgeMage> Welcome back :)
[02:06] <QuantiliveCD> HedgeMage: i opted for the live Cd so i can freaking type, its anoying using the phone
[02:06] <HedgeMage> QuantiliveCD: Okay, so there are a few things that might be wrong, we just need to figure out which one it really is.
[02:06] <HedgeMage> NP, understood
[02:07] <HedgeMage> QuantiliveCD: If you remember exactly which packages were installed/updated during the update that broke your system, that would be helpful.  If not, that's okay we'll work around it, we just may need to test more things.
[02:07] <QuantiliveCD> i think honestly its the cups
[02:07] <QuantiliveCD> like i said 4 days
[02:07] <HedgeMage> Well, then, let's disable cups and see you you can boot normally thereafter
[02:08] <QuantiliveCD> so, boot my disk from live?
[02:08] <QuantiliveCD> uh can i boot my disk from live?
[02:10] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: While you are booted to the livecd, I want to have you pastebin some log files from your hard drive that might help with diagnostics
[02:10] <Quanitbility> sure
[02:10] <Quanitbility> absolutely
[02:10] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: are you familiar with mounting your HD partitions while using the livecd?
[02:11] <Quanitbility> Hedgemage, uh well im familiar with mounting and im familiar with partitions
[02:12] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: mount whatever partition on your HD contains /var/log, and we'll go from there
[02:12] <Quanitbility> I need to gain access to the drive. how do i do that?
[02:13] <Quanitbility> right mount
[02:13] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: if it's dmcrypted (which the output of your lsblk suggests is likely), the graphical thing when you double-click the partition on your desktop on the livecd will prompt for the pw
[02:13] <HedgeMage> otherwise I can give you the manual commands to do via command line
[02:13] <Quanitbility> yea please
[02:14] <Quanitbility> never mind
[02:14] <Quanitbility> hold on
[02:15] <Quanitbility> well it said failed but? i have access?
[02:15] <HedgeMage> weird
[02:16] <HedgeMage> see if you can get to /var/log and read log files
[02:16] <Quanitbility> well i thought i missed a letter in my password
[02:17] <Quanitbility> HedgeMage: Yes
[02:17] <Quanitbility> dpkg/
[02:17] <Quanitbility> ?
[02:18] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: Okay, so I'm about to fall over/asleep...I'll do what I can to check a few things first, but if I turn into a pumpkin on you we can always pick up tomorrow, or someone else here can try to help.
[02:18] <Quanitbility> lol
[02:18] <Quanitbility> ok
[02:22] <HedgeMage> /var/log/dmesg may have useful info on exactly what went wrong when you tried to boot
[02:22] <Quanitbility> iok
[02:22] <Quanitbility> patebin?
[02:22] <HedgeMage> /var/log/syslog may also have helpful info
[02:22] <HedgeMage> there's also a boot.log
[02:23] <HedgeMage> (same place)
[02:23] <Quanitbility> yes
[02:23] <HedgeMage> dpkg.log may tell you about an error during installs/upgrades that wasn't shown to you
[02:23] <HedgeMage> check those for anything interesting and/or pastebin and share the links here to get others to look
[02:23] <Quanitbility> ok
[02:24] <Quanitbility> syslog syslog1?
[02:24] <Quanitbility> or both?
[02:24] <HedgeMage> the other thing I mentioned -- interactive boot -- may be helpful...I forget how to trigger it on xubuntu, so you'll have to look that up...but the general idea is that it lets you say yes/no to starting each service at boot time so you can test a few different things and see if you can figure out which service is interfering with boot
[02:24] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: the one with no number is most recent
[02:24] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: so that's probably what you want
[02:24] <Quanitbility> ok
[02:24] <HedgeMage> if you need more history look at the numbered ones
[02:25] <HedgeMage> anyway, I'm going to sleep.
[02:25] <xubuntu053> can anybody pass the pt link?
[02:25] <xubuntu053> please
[02:25] <Quanitbility> heh
[02:25] <HedgeMage> I have family stuff tomorrow, but will be online for several hours also.
[02:25] <HedgeMage> If I'm online I'll be in here
[02:25]  * HedgeMage waves and departs
[02:25] <Quanitbility> WHICH does anyone wanna see first
[02:27] <Quanitbility> http://pastebin.com/tWhGiiGi SYSLOG
[02:28] <holstein> Quanitbility: did you purge all your ppa's?
[02:29] <Quanitbility> Holstein
[02:29] <Quanitbility> no
[02:29] <Quanitbility> im providing some info right now
[02:29] <holstein> Quanitbility: any ppa can be causing your issue..
[02:29] <holstein> Quanitbility: also, did you try an xorg.conf with vesa driver?
[02:29] <Quanitbility> http://pastebin.com/29sSzySF Dmesg
[02:31] <holstein> Quanitbility: you can always take those to #ubuntu if you want to get more eyes on them
[02:31] <holstein> Quanitbility: how about the vesa driver?
[02:31] <Quanitbility> the what?
[02:32] <Quanitbility> http://pastebin.com/WJPhJ8Y2 boot.log
[02:32] <umbridge> would someone be so kind as copy/paste me the contents of an xfce/xubuntu usr/share/xsessions .desktop file?
[02:32] <holstein> Quanitbility: when you were here last, i suggested trying the older kernel.. you stated you did, and the issues were still persiting.. i asked i you have PPA"s and suggested puring them.. with..
[02:32] <holstein> !infor ppa-purge
[02:32] <holstein> !info ppa-purge
[02:34] <holstein> Quanitbility: i also suggested, when you mentioned an nvidia proprietary driver, trying the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf that linked from here.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:34] <holstein> Quanitbility: you would put that xorg.conf in place to "bypass" your current driver setup
[02:35] <holstein> Quanitbility: i also suggeted trying a live CD that you know works, or a supported operating sytem to make sure the hardware is functioning properly?
[02:35] <holstein> Quanitbility: if you want to link log files for volunteers to look at, you can try #ubuntu or the main ubuntu mailing list
[02:35] <Quanitbility> holstein im on live cd right now
[02:35] <Quanitbility> i got tired of the phone
[02:36] <holstein> Quanitbility: great.. then, you can easily put that xorg.conf in place and test.. and while you are booted, purge the unsupported sources that may be breaking your system
[02:42] <umbridge> need the contents of the xfce.desktop or xubuntu.desktop from /usr/share/xessions/ please
[02:44] <cfhowlett> umbridge, http://ur1.ca/i6fh1
[02:45] <cfhowlett> umbridge, /usr/share/xsessions/
[02:45] <umbridge> cfhowlett danke
[02:45] <cfhowlett> umbridge, bitte
[03:01] <Quanitbility> Holstein, how?
[03:01] <Quanitbility> wah
[03:01] <Quanitbility> wait
[03:03] <holstein> Quanitbility: ?
[03:04] <Quanitbility> dude, xorg.conf in place of what, where?
[03:05] <Quanitbility> sorry was having a problem with my freaking touch pad
[03:05] <Quanitbility> now i can type in peace
[03:05] <holstein> Quanitbility: sure. take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[03:06] <holstein> Quanitbility: this is a way to use the "failsafe" vesa driver for your system graphics as a test
[03:07] <Quanitbility> holstein, why do you suspect that there are problems with my drivers? i do not have Nvidia drivers,
[03:08] <holstein> Quanitbility: you stated last time you had nvidia hardware
[03:08] <Quanitbility> well, thats what happens when you don't allow for someone typing on a phone.
[03:10] <holstein> Quanitbility: imnot following you.. but, the vesa driver is a way to force a failsafe graphics environment.. if you feel you need that
[03:11] <holstein> Quanitbility: have you purged your PPA's? have you shared what unsupported sources you are using?
[03:14] <Quanitbility> i am no longer typing on the phone, actually im being very patient right now, very very patient, i would like my system to be in working order, it is from an update, i had said this several times. im irritated right now, and im being patient. please, lets get down to business here fix the problem.  My computer stalls at boot up, and when i install previous kernals the screen just goes blank, it has not done this before. there i
[03:14] <Quanitbility> s no problems with my equipment, and i don't understand which porprioty  freaking drivers your talking about. I need my system up in working order soon, i have a deadline to keep. im irritated holstein, very irritated, please PROVIDE me some freaking commands i should try, REMIND yourself that im in live cd mode, and im very irritated for four days. please provide some code that gives you the input you need.
[03:15] <Quanitbility> also remind yourself im a noob, so just telling me doesn't really help.
[03:15] <holstein> Quanitbility: you should be able to do the work with the live CD>. i would just reinstall if i were "Under the gun" so to speak, and revert to my backups
[03:15] <holstein> Quanitbility: im not a person that can "provide you some code" that can fix what you have done
[03:16] <holstein> Quanitbility: i can only volunteer some ways you can troubleshoot..
[03:17] <Quanitbility> wow, you just redefined the definition of pissing someone off you know that holstein. ugGH! thank you for your help so far.
[03:17] <holstein> Quanitbility: please try and watch the language.. i understand youa re frustrated, and will leave you for another volunteer.. try the main #ubuntu channel, since it is more populated, and you dont have a xubuntu /xfce specific issue
[03:19] <holstein> Quanitbility: the PPA"s you have added, if you would like to share what those are, can be breaking your system... its a good idea if you want "stability" not to use ppa's trivially
[03:19] <cfhowlett> Quanitbility, for instant answers, consider purchasing support directly from canonical.  otherwise, endure the volunteers who attempt to help. your attitude matters.
[03:19] <Quanitbility> i would love too.
[03:19] <holstein> Quanitbility: you would "love to", what?
[03:24] <Quanitbility> slow down my friend, i promised you ive watched my language thus far. I know the rules my friend im trying to calm down. im trying to think about the problem then blowing up at you i know its not your fault. but i don't really care, do you understand that? please, i know the rules here perfectly, don't 'remind' me, or ill break the rules because god gave me free will. im behaving. don't remind me. now. i thank you for your help
[03:24] <Quanitbility> . but the your question to "Love to", what? was the Answer to "Sharing" any all information with any or all individuals that would help with my problem
[03:25] <cfhowlett> Quanitbility, "don't remind me or I'll violate the rules"  Threats? OK, so we now understand each other.  /added to ignore list
[03:25] <holstein> Quanitbility: ok.. whare what ppa's you have added, please.. those are usupported sources that can break things.. and i will be glad to look at those
[03:26] <Quanitbility> why the heck is everyone so damn cerebral and actual and factual based brains in here? I've changed to a system that i think is better but im just not getting anywhere, now i have problems ... ugh never mind
[03:27] <holstein> Quanitbility: i suggest a fresh install, and *dont* add sources such as PPA"s if you need the system to be "Stable".. its a good rule on any OS to have good backups and a good stradegy for recovery
[03:27] <Quanitbility> threats or being a full breed american who beleives in opening his mouth when ever i please, if your offended then thats you, but you choose the time to read it when it wasn't really tward you.
[03:28] <Quanitbility> holstein i agree
[03:28] <holstein> Quanitbility: id be glad to talk about those stradegies
[03:28] <Quanitbility> where do i go
[03:29] <holstein> Quanitbility: i would go to "install" from the live CD, and reinstall and *dont* add 3rd party sources
[03:29] <Quanitbility> show me a link i apologize to the lot of ya, but ignoring me is just proving that people should not be in here, im not flooding,  or anything of the sort i have opinions, not threats.
[03:29] <holstein> the 3 2 1 rule for backups is a great place to start.. dont spend 4 days trying to "Fix" something that you dont understand how you broke
[03:30] <Quanitbility> i have back up but
[03:30] <holstein> !guidelines
[03:30] <Quanitbility> im afraid its not a full back up though and im afraid to use it
[03:31] <holstein> Quanitbility: you need to address that fear.. the hard drive you are using *will* fail.. you should plan for that failure, and you will be better off in the long run
[03:32] <Quanitbility> holstein, you sound like a text book, yes, i understand that. but the back up software wasn't finished even when showing 100%
[03:32] <holstein> Quanitbility: i dont mean to sound like "a text book".. i mean to sound like a friendly volunteer, who is volunteering time to you
[03:32] <holstein> Quanitbility: done use "backup software".. use the live CD to grab data with a file manager..
[03:33] <holstein> you can just literally click and drag the files over... watch them go, and know they are backed up.. then, you can reinstall and have a better plan for the future, where you dont break the system
[03:36] <Quanitbility> i guess idon't really undestnad that conce[pt
[03:36] <Quanitbility> im just tired
[03:36] <Quanitbility> days
[03:36] <holstein> Quanitbility: it takes me about 8 minutes to reinsatll
[03:36] <Quanitbility> and onlyone person the help me, then the other cunt ignored me.. im done for the day.
[03:36] <holstein> wow..
[03:37] <cfhowlett> ... true colors revealed.
[03:38] <cfhowlett> holstein, thanks for trying - you've more patience/faith in humanity than I do.
[03:38] <holstein> cfhowlett: i bet we get another shot with that user
[03:39] <cfhowlett> holstein, I bet I won't join in.  In fact, I'd suggest a lifetime ban, but then I have zero tolerance for rank idiocy.
[03:40] <Unit193> cfhowlett: Your comments of agitation really don't help, though.
[03:41] <cfhowlett> Unit193, ... agitation?  Quanitbility, for instant answers, consider purchasing support directly from canonical.  otherwise, endure the volunteers who attempt to help. your attitude matters.
[03:42] <cfhowlett> Unit193, ... perhaps.  I'll restrain myself in future.
[03:42] <Unit193> cfhowlett: Thank you.
[05:09] <Vampi> приветики :)
[10:35] <pedro> hi
[10:36] <pedro> for you
[11:40] <alket> hi , is there any font installer for xubuntu ?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> alket, sudo apt-get install FontPackageNameHere
[11:41] <alket> cfhowlett, i have the font siting in my download folder
[11:41] <alket> how do i install it
[11:41] <alket> in unity the font viewer/installer was opened
[11:42] <cfhowlett> alket, unity? in xubuntu?  ask in the #ubuntu channel.
[11:42] <alket> please try to understand
[11:43] <alket> i cleary state that I use ubuntu , but can't install a font that i downloaded , i took unity as example , when i opened a ttf format , the font viewer was opened and let me install it easily
[11:43] <deshipu> alket: you make a directory .fonts in your home, and copy the font file there
[11:43] <alket> deshipu, any app that does that ?
[11:43] <deshipu> alket: yes, file manager
[11:44] <alket> thanks
[11:44] <deshipu> alket: then you run fc-cache to reload the font cache
[11:44] <alket> thanks
[11:45] <deshipu> you can have subdirectories in .fonts to organize your fonts better
[11:49] <alket> deshipu, thanks very much
[13:40] <xubuntu947> Are there any details about the minimal install in 14.10b1 available?
[13:42] <elfy> xubuntu947: what details do you want?
[13:43] <xubuntu947> From the blog: "information on installation and testing will follow shortly". But I can't find any!?
[13:44] <elfy> that's because we've not done it yet
[13:44] <xubuntu947> I just downloaded the beta. Can I already test the minimal install?
[13:45] <xubuntu947> I see. What is minimal in this case? Is it like the Ubuntu mini.iso?
[13:47] <elfy> the minimal is the same iso - then install the specific xubuntu minimal from tasksel - you can even test if for everyone http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/76947/testcases
[13:48] <knome> s/can/should/
[13:49] <xubuntu947> Okay, thanks!
[14:11]  * RedDeath Back
[14:33] <xubuntu947> Bear with me but I'm too dumb to run the test case ^^ What do you mean by "then install the specific xubuntu minimal from tasksel"?
[14:34] <elfy> when the install gets to the tasksel part, choose xubuntu minimal - looks like http://guruadmin.ru/uploads/up-new/ubuntu-tasksel-command.png
[14:35] <xubuntu947> Okay then there is a essential misunderstandingon my side since I tried to install the beta.
[14:36] <elfy> xubuntu947: the beta 64 or 32 bit image - if so that's not the minimal
[14:37] <xubuntu947> You meant the mini.iso not the beta? (<elfy> the minimal is the same iso)
[14:38] <elfy> yea - the mini.iso is the same for *buntu - nothing is different until you actually start installing apps/DE's
[15:02] <UTC24> Hello and good morning, a little disapointed this morning in Xubuntu. I did a small update via software update center, less than 10mb. After update my wifi no longer works after working fine for ... six months or more. Also now there is an issue on shutdown where it hangs after deactivating swap. I am really tired of having to redo system installs for issues like this. I cannot figure how to even check which files where upgraded so I could ask how to roll back
[15:02] <UTC24>  those upgrades
[15:03] <brainwash> UTC24: take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:07] <UTC24> will do thanks
[15:17] <xubuntu947> Now the minimal install worked, thanks!
[15:18] <UTC24> So here is what was upgraded
[15:18] <UTC24> cups-core-drivers:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-server-common:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libharfbuzz-icu0:amd64 (0.9.27-1, 0.9.27-1ubuntu1), libcups2:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-daemon:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libcupsmime1:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libgudev-1.0-0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.5, 204-5ubuntu20.6), cups-client:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libcupsi
[15:18] <UTC24> mage2:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), xserver-xorg-core:amd64 (1.15.1-0ubuntu2, 1.15.1-0ubuntu2.1), flashplugin-installer:amd64 (<IP_ADDRESS>0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), libnss3-1d:amd64 (3.15.4-1ubuntu7, 3.15.4-1ubuntu7.1), cups:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), linux-firmware-nonfree:amd64 (1.14ubuntu1, 1.14ubuntu3), libharfbuzz0b:amd64 (0.9.27-1, 0.9.27-1ubuntu1), xserver-common:amd64 (1.15.1-0ubuntu2, 1.15.1-0ubuntu2
[15:18] <UTC24> .1), libnss3-nssdb:amd64 (3.15.4-1ubuntu7, 3.15.4-1ubuntu7.1), gir1.2-gudev-1.0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.5, 204-5ubuntu20.6), cups-bsd:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libnss3:amd64 (3.15.4-1ubuntu7, 3.15.4-1ubuntu7.1), libcupscgi1:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libcupsppdc1:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-common:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-ppdc:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2)
[15:18] <knome> !pastebin | UTC24
[15:21] <UTC24> Can anyone tell me how to roll back those upgrades?
[15:21] <UTC24> or why any of them could cause issues with shut down or wifi?
[15:24] <bazhang> there's no downgrade other than installing from backups
[15:26] <UTC24> qawsg]yui
[15:27] <UTC24> Guess I should have been using  acronis
[15:27] <UTC24> Thanks later
[15:28] <brainwash> UTC24: could be bug 1368093
[15:29] <brainwash> this package has been updated recently in 12.04 and 14.04
[15:35] <UTC24> ok that might be it... I use
[15:36] <UTC24> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8335511/
[15:37] <UTC24> Which uses a non-free driver
[15:38] <UTC24> I have followed many different threads on how to fix the wifi and non have worked
[15:39] <cfhowlett> !broadcom
[15:40] <UTC24> Yes I already followed that one too
[15:41] <UTC24> all my network devices show up fine
[15:41] <brainwash> download the initial version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb and install it
[15:41] <UTC24> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8335546/
[15:42] <brainwash> UTC24: and I suggest that you add your findings to the linked bug report
[15:43] <brainwash> or create a new one if the problem isn't the same after all
[15:44] <UTC24> Ok will do... Sorry I am new to trying  to be part of the community
[15:44] <UTC24> Thanks for patience
[15:55] <Bl4ckSh4d0w> hello
[16:52] <lain_r> Hey, people, can someone help me mixing together xfce & i3 window manager?
[16:56] <baizon> !ask | lain_r
[16:59] <lain_r> Sorrrry!:) I've got a new xubuntu installation and I want to use xfce with i3 window manager. I've seen variants like changing fallback session but it didn't work for me: some other xfce process started before i3 and grabbed all the keybindings. Afterwards I changed xfwm4 binary to a script which launches i3 window manager, but this way it fails after restoring from suspend. I don't know how to do that other way, because I'd like to use x
[16:59] <lain_r> fce-session instead of bare xinitrc
[18:49] <steinerlein> good morning #xubuntu
[18:50] <steinerlein> I would like to install xubuntu on a powerbook G4, which is a powerpc. I cannot find out which version I would have to download..
[18:51] <GridCube> !powerpc
[18:51] <steinerlein> For 12.04 I can only find AMD64 and x86
[18:51] <sleezio> hello, whats a good app(or process) for monitoring a proam to see if it's phoning home on startup?
[18:51] <sleezio> *program
[18:51] <GridCube> read what ubottu said
[18:52] <sleezio> i'd like to see the server it's pinging on startup...if it is
[18:54] <steinerlein> okay, so there is no version of 12.04 for ppc?
[18:54] <GridCube> !edgy
[18:54] <GridCube> ^
[18:55] <GridCube> was the last one with support to ppc
[18:55] <steinerlein> oh wow, okay..
[18:55] <GridCube> see the community port
[18:57] <steinerlein> Alright, got it! Thanks a bunch! I'll use the mini.iso and then install xubuntu
[19:00] <GridCube> good luck
[20:00] <romelbacchus> hey
[22:03] <newbo> hey guys. where are the shortcuts file in xubuntu? can i edit it like: vim /etc/something/shortcuts
[22:06] <deshipu> newbo: which shortcuts?
[22:07] <newbo> like open whiskersmenu
[22:07] <deshipu> keyboard shortcuts?
[22:07] <newbo> deshipu: yes
[22:07] <newbo> deshipu: i want to make a shortcuts file and put it whenever i format my computer
[22:08] <newbo> deshipu: to not lose time
[22:08] <newbo> or, "not to lose time"
[22:08] <deshipu> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml and .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[22:09] <newbo> deshipu: wow. you memorized that? oh man oh man...
[22:09] <deshipu> make a copy before you edit them
[22:09] <deshipu> no, I just checked
[22:09] <newbo> deshipu: how did you check it?
[22:09] <newbo> just curious
[22:09] <deshipu> I looked in the .config directory in my home directory
[22:10] <newbo> deshipu: wow man. you're a pro. thank you very much.
[22:10] <newbo> i'm impressed
[22:24] <newbo> deshipu: hey man. ican't edit my wifi settings. why can that be?
[23:04] <jarloyz_> hola
[23:04] <jarloyz_> hello
[23:04] <jarloyz_> can someone help me?
[23:07] <jarloyz_> hello?
[23:56] <ku0> hello


[11:00] <]ay]ay> I found my Ubuntu was getting jammed by apt-get update, which was running wild trying to download http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-security/restricted/i18n/Translation-en.bz2
[11:01] <]ay]ay> Could someone confirm if the file mentioned is broken somehow?
[11:07] <knome> ]ay]ay, no problems with that for me.
[11:08] <]ay]ay> Oh?  My apt-get got stuck downing it forever.
[11:09] <davmor2> ]ay]ay: try sudo apt-get install -f
[11:09] <]ay]ay> But maybe there are several nodes behind that URL and I was getting one with a broken file....
[11:11] <]ay]ay> davmor2: It was first started from daily cron - I wasn't installing anything
[11:12] <]ay]ay> I'm now trying to do update from the GUI with restricted removed
[11:12] <davmor2> ]ay]ay: It might be that an install wasn't clean and it is actually that, that is breaking it
[11:38] <]ay]ay> davmor2: sudo apt-get update  seems to have trouble with other files as well:
[11:38] <]ay]ay> 100% [19 Packages 1 364 kB/1 364 kB 100%] [17 Packages 13,5 GB/13,5 GB 100%] [4 Packages 35,4 GB/35,4 GB 100%]
[11:39] <]ay]ay> ... a 35 GB package list?
[11:41] <knome> ]ay]ay, you'd be better off asking in #ubuntu
[11:41] <]ay]ay> knome: sorry, have I got the wrong forum?
[11:42] <knome> this is the channel for the ubuntu quality assurance team for contribution-related communication
[11:42] <]ay]ay> well I guess I'll let give this a rest and try again another day
[11:42] <knome> there are also many more people at #ubuntu
[11:42] <]ay]ay> and other channel
[11:42] <knome> people do not monitor this channel for support questions
[11:43] <]ay]ay> Thanks all though!
[11:43] <knome> np, good luck
[19:30] <dkessel> DanChapman: no problem at all :) looking forwad to making progress there
[19:31] <dkessel> Letozaf_: sorry I didn't respond to the mail, I don't have much time to look at the autopilot tests at the moment really
[19:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, any luck on fixing things?
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, no problem I understand
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, veebers answered me, I will answer his email this evening and see if he can help me
[19:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am writing on my blog how to help test the Wi-Fi hotspots featrue :-P
[19:36] <balloons> Letozaf_, nice!
[19:36] <balloons> and yea, when you write back, ask about using autopilot 1.6
[19:36] <balloons> I believe it should just fix things for you, so it might be an option
[19:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks.
[19:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, sorry I can't be of more help atm :-|
[20:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, doesn't matter I will probably wait for autopilot 1.6, anyway I will answer veebers if he has time, otherwise I will wait,no problem, thanks anyway :D