[09:43] <mdke> Rinchen: hiya. thanks for checking the lp group. What's going on with the administrators? Why isn't Daniel the group administrator? afaik he's always the one adding new members and driving the group
[09:44] <Rinchen> mdke, yes, he is.
[09:45] <Rinchen> NewZ owns the group since he's the website person.
[09:45] <Rinchen> I agreed to help update the LP entry with the release of 1.0
[09:46] <Rinchen> I've suggested to Newz that we should get the regular fridge folks together and discuss enhancing the fridge.
[09:46] <mdke> I remember adding newz as administrator when we created the group, but I certainly think the adminstrators of the LP group should reflect the reality if possible
[09:46] <Rinchen> I believe he's going to do that at some point.
[09:46] <mdke> Jono has done that already
[09:46] <Rinchen> One moment and I'll ask newz about adding Daniel since I agree he's the guy that does just about everything. :-)
[09:47] <Rinchen> Yes, Jono was in on the discussion although I spoke with newz directly, not Jono.
[09:47] <mdke> I mean, Jono has got together folks and discussed enhancing it with Matthew
[09:47] <Rinchen> ah excellent.
[09:47] <mdke> unfortunately he did some of it off-list, but I can forward you emails if you want
[09:48] <Rinchen> I was aware that he was doing that, I just didn't know it was public.
[09:48] <mdke> as I said, unfortunately it wasn't public
[09:49] <Rinchen> I'm adding Daniel now.
[09:49] <mdke> thanks
[09:51] <Rinchen> Seems I didn't have the privs so I just had newz do it.
[09:52] <mdke> ah, owner only I guess
[09:52] <mdke> thanks
[09:52] <mdke> listen, the other thing I wanted to talk about is communication within the group
[09:53] <mdke> there have been some stories going live recently which haven't been posted to the mailing list or maybe even were posted by one person without review
[09:53] <mdke> the impression I get is of people not being kept totally in the loop, I think we can do better
[09:53] <Rinchen> I wasn't aware. I did recently review and post up Matt's LP article.
[09:54] <Rinchen> I also failed to post it to the list.
[09:54] <Rinchen> We need to work on that fridge editors documentation a bit.
[09:54] <mdke> true
[09:54] <Rinchen> I was hoping that Daniel might be able to set the standard there.
[09:54] <mdke> it's no big deal, but it just is a question of appearances for the rest of the group
[09:55] <Rinchen> With my recent job change I have no inherent rights. I'm the same guy and the Fridge is a community effort.
[09:55] <mdke> yeah, that's the thing I'd like to maintain, definitely
[09:55] <mdke> I appreciate you saying that
[09:55] <Rinchen> btw, apparently I was just promoted.
[09:55] <Rinchen> I'm now the owner of the LP list.
[09:56] <Rinchen> complain about not being able to add someone and you get ownership. :-)
[09:57] <mdke> hmm
[09:57] <Rinchen> How about this: I'll post a note to the fridge-devel list and ask if we can have the senior editors (e.g. Daniel) update the fridge editor's docs so that we can all review it and make a concerted effort to follow it in the future.
[09:58] <Rinchen> I have no idea when the positive changes for the fridge may happen so it might be best to keep our existing documentation up to date.
[09:58] <Rinchen> Do you agree?
[09:59] <Rinchen> Or perhaps you might have another suggestion?
[09:59] <Rinchen> I'm open since this isn't part of my normal work.
[10:01] <mdke> sorry, gf needed the computer
[10:02] <mdke> sounds like a good suggestion
[10:02] <Rinchen> ok. afaik, Daniel is still the owner of the Fridge. I should probably state that in the email I send to prevent any misconceptions.
[10:03] <Rinchen> well s/owner/leader/
[10:03] <mdke> I'm happy for you to take a larger role, if you're keen on being more involved in the Fridge that's definitely alright with me, it needs help :)
[10:06] <mdke> i hardly have any time for writing nowadays, but I'm keen to help the group go in the right direction
[10:07] <Rinchen> I think that was my issue as well. The fridge is good but it's been stagnant in both code updates as well as Daniel doing most of the work.  This all started for me when I inquired about the overall plan and was told it's up to the Fridge team to determine what they want to do with the Fridge.
[10:07] <Rinchen> The Fridge is such a fixture that I hate to see it neglected.
[10:08] <mdke> it won't be
[10:09] <mdke> the team is pretty good and it's just a question of getting more wide contributions, with the fridge team acting more as editors than writers
[10:10] <mdke> that will enable people to contribute when they can, rather than relying on Daniel/others all the time
[10:11] <mdke> anyway, congrats on the new job
[10:30] <Rinchen> Thanks. I was given 3 offers at once I chose to work on the LP team. It's an interesting group.  I figured I could do more to help Ubuntu that way.
[10:31] <mdke> they are a great group, definitely
[10:32] <mdke> you had three offers to work at canonical? that's pretty good going
[10:32] <Rinchen> ah no, sorry.  1 with Canonical and 2 with Canonical partners
[10:33] <mdke> oh right, good going anyway
[10:39] <Rinchen> I was surprised to get an offer from Canonical. I'll tell you, I'm learning a lot though.
[10:39] <mdke> cool
[10:39] <Rinchen> are you still working in the law field?
[10:39] <mdke> they are a good company, you'll enjoy it
[10:40] <mdke> yes, I turned down my chance with Canonical :)
[10:41] <mdke> I'm more qualified for law, so it was safer for me to go that way
[10:41] <mdke> didn't want to find myself following the dream and then left without qualifications in the wrong sector if something went wrong
[10:42] <mdke> law is ok...
[10:44] <Rinchen> From an old guy (that's me), I can say with certainty that qualifications count in the long term.
[10:44] <mdke> get out of here
[10:44] <mdke> you are so not old
[10:45] <Rinchen> Just about 40
[10:45] <mdke> you look younger!
[10:45] <Rinchen> although we hired some new guys at Canonical so my position on what I call the "old farts totem pole" dropped a bit
[10:46] <Rinchen> That's because it's an old picture. :-)
[10:46] <mdke> ah, clever
[10:47] <mdke> anyway, that's what I thought too
[10:47] <mdke> but it was a tricky decision
[10:47] <Rinchen> I was hired, I suspect, for two reasons: my certifications and my work on Ubuntu
[10:48] <Rinchen> certainly not for my looks.  :-D
[10:48] <Rinchen> Here's UDS MTV - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/291040915/   Green shirt
[10:48] <Rinchen> on the left next to Melissa
[10:50] <mdke> still wouldn't give you 40, anyway
[10:50] <Rinchen> hehe  Thanks.


[04:32] <ianorlin> wolrd has respun
[14:28] <phillw> wxl: can you mark all as ready (again :P )
[19:04] <phillw> wxl: how is the release team progressing with a GO for beta 2?
[20:53] <phillw> flexiondotorg: I take it that those flavours using the 'old' format of release notes from ubuntu will no longer be able to use
[20:53] <phillw> <<Include(WilyWerewolf/Beta2/CommonInfrastructure, , from="^##StartWilyReleaseBugs", to="##EndWilyReleaseBugs")>>
[20:53] <phillw> ??
[21:13] <flexiondotorg> phillw, I have no idea. This is ll new to me.
[21:14] <phillw> okies... just trying to follow. I took the precaution of manually adding in 'core' bugs to our release note :)
[21:38] <phillw> flexiondotorg: wiki uses # as comment
[21:42] <flexiondotorg> ty


[02:10] <chibihogoshino> xfce4-volumed uses 250 meg of swap.. why ?
[02:13] <cyberanger> top?
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:13] <cyberanger> what's your memory?
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> what is it ?
[02:14] <cyberanger> and it's utilization too
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> i have 4 gig and im using 800 meg
[02:14] <cyberanger> yeah, thinking maybe it's buffering something
[02:15] <cyberanger> well, that makes less sense then
[02:15] <chibihogoshino> its always used that much tho.. just to turn the volume up and down
[02:16] <cyberanger> is that all it does?
[02:16] <chibihogoshino> as far as i know
[02:17] <chibihogoshino> https://launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed
[02:17] <chibihogoshino> that just seams allot for what it does ..
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> 50 meg less than rhythmbox ..
[02:18] <cyberanger> I thin the fact the entire launchpad site is https should be considered a bug
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> heh
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> file it
[02:18] <cyberanger> think I will be
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> sweet
[02:18] <cyberanger> as for your issue, dunno
[02:19] <cyberanger> maybe some hardware limitation, memory leak, idk, it's using swap with alot of ram, seems odd
[02:19] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:19] <cyberanger> launchpad being all https, I can't cache any of it
[02:21] <cyberanger> for a celluar or satellite connection I use squid to cut down or repetive requests (and on a normal connection too, but it's intentional for capped or poor connections)
[02:21] <cyberanger> it breaks my cache
[02:21] <chibihogoshino> it is kinda odd since all the software is open
[02:26] <cyberanger> I can understand something like tor
[02:26] <cyberanger> but tor is on it's own server and domain, dead giveaway
[02:27] <cyberanger> I don't know of any software on lp that is similar in nature, for that concern
[02:27] <cyberanger> and on top of it, tor can use http
[02:27] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[02:27] <cyberanger> lp shoves https down your throat
[02:28] <cyberanger> no disable option
[02:28] <chibihogoshino> yeah its a little gay
[02:29] <cyberanger> it's odd, normally I demand for an ssl option
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> why cant you download from https ?
[02:35] <cyberanger> my proxy can't
[02:35] <cyberanger> it's the nature of encryption, anything in the middle breaks the chain
[02:36] <cyberanger> I can use the proxy as a tunnel
[02:36] <cyberanger> but I can't cache
[02:36] <chibihogoshino> ah
[02:56] <chibihogoshino> it would be cool to have a screen saver that zooms out all the windows and keeps them updated
[03:35] <chibihogoshino> anyone working on a google team calendar ?
[03:42] <chibihogoshino> when is the last time anyone had a kernel panic ?
[03:52] <chris4585> kernel panics usually only happen if you try to make them happy in my own experience
[03:52] <chris4585> happen*
[03:52] <chris4585> lol @ happy typo
[03:52] <chibihogoshino> lol
[04:30] <wrst> chibihogoshino: i had a kernel panic in the last few months
[04:30] <chibihogoshino> are you running 32 or 64 bit ?
[04:32] <wrst> 32 but it was in natty though so dont' guess that counts
[04:35] <chibihogoshino> oh
[14:14] <cyberanger> chris4585: it takes something odd for a kernel panic, that's for sure
[14:14] <cyberanger> but it's more likely when messing with it (which I've done)
[16:09] <chibihogoshino> yo chris4585
[16:12] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: hey, hadn't seen chris4585 all morning
[16:12] <chibihogoshino> ah
[16:12] <cyberanger> is your panic resolved
[16:13] <cyberanger> how about your kernels?
[16:13] <chibihogoshino> oh it was a friend .. he was running 64 bit version
[16:14] <chibihogoshino> he put in his password and it panicked
[16:16] <cyberanger> ah, ouch
[16:17] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[16:17] <chibihogoshino> that is a odd place for one
[16:17] <cyberanger> I manage a team calander, but idk if it's actually gotten use
[16:17] <cyberanger> should be public
[16:17] <chibihogoshino> its not ?
[16:17] <cyberanger> honestly by the time I hear of anything solid enough to put on a calandar, I wondered if anyone would notice
[16:18] <cyberanger> that's changed lately, with smartphones
[16:19] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[16:19] <chibihogoshino> a little..
[16:20] <chibihogoshino> i dont have one tho
[16:20] <chris4585> hi chibihogoshino
[16:20] <chibihogoshino> ah chris4585 i found a old version of magiclive
[16:21] <chris4585> yeah?
[16:21] <chibihogoshino> it works .. i just make a iso with it
[16:22] <chibihogoshino> have to remake. it has some problems with xfce4.8
[16:22] <chris4585> ah thats cool, no dpkg errors?
[16:22] <chris4585> what version was it?
[16:22] <chibihogoshino> one with /desktop or something but i got that before
[16:23] <chibihogoshino> does it have versions ?
[16:24] <chris4585> well, the older ones didn't really include one, but if it did, it would say at the very top of the magiclive file
[16:24] <chibihogoshino> 2008 ?
[16:25] <chibihogoshino> thats the copyright .. it dosnt have a version number
[16:25] <chris4585> alright
[16:28] <chibihogoshino> to old /
[16:28] <chibihogoshino> ?
[16:29] <cyberanger> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=74g3gnrvdvncgvgv4h0l4ejcv0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York
[16:29] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: ^
[16:32] <chibihogoshino> cool
[16:32] <chibihogoshino> how can i subscribe to that
[16:33] <cyberanger> uh, you can, lemme see how
[16:34] <chibihogoshino> n/m i got it
[16:35] <cyberanger> drat, google removed the ability to search for calendars
[16:40] <chibihogoshino> hmm..  i wonder if it will update
[16:42] <chibihogoshino><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:43] <chibihogoshino> now im gonna get spam..
[16:48] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: I PM'd you for a reason
[16:48] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[16:48] <cyberanger> whoops
[16:49] <chibihogoshino> i had the setting off to open a new tab ..
[16:49] <chibihogoshino> lol
[16:50] <cyberanger> ouch
[16:50] <chibihogoshino> it just looks like a regular message in the channel
[16:50] <cyberanger> it's giving me an error on saving changes
[16:50] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[16:50] <cyberanger> so I assume you added it already
[16:50] <chibihogoshino> i subscribed tho
[16:53] <cyberanger> that works
[16:54] <cyberanger> I just can't have you edit (which might have been nice down the road, your in knoxville, no leader is as often)
[16:54] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[16:58] <chibihogoshino> should be a option for it.. i dont know why they would exclude that from the cal when its in every thing else
[17:00] <chibihogoshino> maybe it has to be a group
[17:00] <chibihogoshino> http://groups.google.com/   ?
[17:01] <cyberanger> oh, it's cause you already have it in your public calendars
[17:02] <cyberanger> different method, same id, public acl
[17:02] <cyberanger> the reason for the addy was the other method, with the acl
[17:02] <chibihogoshino> you cant change the permissions because of that ?
[17:05] <cyberanger> seems
[17:05] <cyberanger> that's for another day
[17:06] <cyberanger> you can see a poorly maintained calendar, we're good
[17:06] <chibihogoshino> :-)
[17:14] <chibihogoshino> wow.. i thought it was 3 something till just now
[19:06] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: you mean the time?
[19:06] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[19:07] <cyberanger> ah, yeah it's an extremely nice day outside, easy to mixup with how many clouds we had lately
[19:07] <chibihogoshino> heh
[19:07] <cyberanger> perfect day to ........uh......go outside and ........................... chat on IRC?
[19:08] <chibihogoshino> if my battery would last for more than 5 min i would.. :-)
[19:09]  * cyberanger hands chibihogoshino a better battery, perhaps a smartphone to go with it
[19:09] <chibihogoshino> i was just thinking about that.. it would be nice to go to the park and sit under a tree
[19:10] <cyberanger> I wish it was april, with this kind of day
[19:11] <cyberanger> perfect to go jump in some river, or the great lakes
[19:11] <chibihogoshino> water proof a laptop ?
[19:12] <cyberanger> well, I hadn't thought that far, but I could waterproof a smartphone, celluar data
[19:12] <chibihogoshino> irc under water .. bet that has never been done
[19:13] <cyberanger> would want it to be an iphone or a G1 something cheap and easy to forget about (you don't replace an iphone, already have something better than a G1)
[19:14] <cyberanger> yeah, not by many at least
[19:15] <cyberanger> I thought it'd be cool to be the only one with internet at mt. leconte, then I found out that area has great coverage from everybody, kinda a buzzkill
[19:15] <chibihogoshino> that sucks
[19:15] <cyberanger> still makes me want to install a mesh node or two, for the fun of it
[19:15] <chibihogoshino> and dosnt suck for the coverage
[19:16] <cyberanger> 30 miles or so for one link
[19:16] <cyberanger> a little shy of 5 for the 2nd
[19:16] <chibihogoshino> that would be cool
[19:16] <cyberanger> then I can tie it into my folks here
[19:16] <cyberanger> solar powered
[19:16] <cyberanger> I did the 5 mile link
[19:17] <chibihogoshino> how did it turn out
[19:17] <chibihogoshino> brb
[19:17] <cyberanger> and a smaller link in chattanooga (but was the first with actual traffic, proving it's worth)
[19:18] <cyberanger> it turned out quite well, aiming wasn't ideal the first time (fixed that down the road)
[19:32] <cyberanger> heh
[19:37] <chibihogoshino> nice
[19:37] <chibihogoshino> how much packet loss ?
[19:39] <cyberanger> line of sight, aimed accurately, minimal
[19:40] <cyberanger> as close to /dev/null as you can get
[19:54] <chibihogoshino> what kind of antenna did you use ?
[20:03] <cyberanger> .74 meter satellite dishes modded with a cantenna, more or less
[20:03] <cyberanger> for 5 miles it wasn't an issue, but I've since upgraded to a yagi
[20:03] <cyberanger> one end is rp-sma, one is an N-Connector
[20:04] <chibihogoshino> did you build them ?
[20:04] <cyberanger> two Dishes, yes, yagi, no
[20:04] <cyberanger> tweaked them, minor
[20:05] <cyberanger> I could build them, yagi's are simple
[20:06] <cyberanger> but went with a higher quality than I think I could have done, but a higher price
[20:07] <chibihogoshino> ah
[20:08] <cyberanger> considering the 30 mile leg is gonna be different, and I gotta hike to both sites for that link, mt. leconte isn't a nice hike if you really over pack
[20:08] <cyberanger> it was worth the cost for high grade lightweight aluminum
[20:09] <cyberanger> and Alcoa didn't mind it
[20:09] <chibihogoshino> are they still up ?
[20:10] <cyberanger> I have yet to even try the 30 mile link (not an issue, I know they'll work)
[20:10] <cyberanger> but in spirit of pack it in pack it out, they're down
[20:10] <chibihogoshino> oh
[20:17] <cyberanger> I can have the node from here pointing at look rock up in under 5 minutes
[20:17] <cyberanger> but I've not been to look rock since before my car wreak, and could get permission to perm. mount that, I think
[20:18] <cyberanger> the Mt. Leconte node would have to be seasonal, or something
[20:18] <cyberanger> winter is just too much for operating conditions
[20:20] <cyberanger> maybe something meant to be outdoors full time
[20:26] <chibihogoshino> were did you mount it ?
[20:36] <cyberanger> do you know where mt. leconte is? or look rock (if not, that's fine, I've got a map too)
[20:42] <chibihogoshino> no
[20:42] <chibihogoshino> i was wondering if you could put the antenna on a tree and then put a roof over it so it would be ok in the winter
[20:44] <cyberanger> not too ideal, and the antenna could be wet
[20:44] <cyberanger> as long as the other parts are dry, warm, not too warm
[20:45] <chibihogoshino> if it was covered enough and enclosed in a thing it would be ok
[20:49] <cyberanger> tempature gets low at Mt. Leconte
[20:49] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[20:49] <cyberanger> solar panel, car battery, mesh node
[20:50] <cyberanger> solar panel won't care, carbattery must vent, but works porrly in cold, summers get hot, not above specs, but not ideal
[20:50] <cyberanger> but in winter, gets cold, below specs
[20:51] <chibihogoshino> bury the battery in the ground
[20:54] <cyberanger> not in a national park, no way
[20:54] <chibihogoshino> i think something like 6 feet it stays warm
[20:55] <chibihogoshino> oh
[20:55] <chibihogoshino> lol
[20:56] <cyberanger> besides, Sealed Lead Batteries need to vent
[20:57] <chibihogoshino> straws
[20:57] <chibihogoshino> or a hose
[20:57] <cyberanger> and that may work for the Mesh node, perhaps
[20:58] <cyberanger> defeats the benifit of burying it, as moisture seeps in via the air, gets heated and trapped
[20:58] <cyberanger> and the depth is 6 feet for a courpse, smell seals there
[20:58] <cyberanger> for the frost line, little shallow due to tennessee clay
[20:59] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[20:59] <chibihogoshino> use a one way trap for the water and cover the top of the hose
[21:01] <cyberanger> still the issue of digging in a national park, the other two nodes aren't as bad, and I could heat a few different ways
[21:01] <cyberanger> look rock has ham radio gear and the air quality station, I can work with that
[21:02] <cyberanger> the gateway node is equally simplistic
[21:02] <chibihogoshino> maybe they will let you put it up if you ask
[21:03] <cyberanger> which, look rock or leconte?
[21:03] <chibihogoshino> leconte
[21:04] <cyberanger> can't be permenant, that's key
[21:05] <cyberanger> I think they'd let me set it while I'm there, perhaps even for a season
[21:05] <cyberanger> between the business and the park, doable, got a goram nightmare in buracacy
[21:06] <chibihogoshino> make the wires look like vines and the node like a birds nest
[21:09] <cyberanger> and the antenna
[21:09] <chibihogoshino> a branch
[21:10] <cyberanger> I'd rather they told me no, then go behind them in this manner
[21:10] <chibihogoshino> i was just thinking how to make it blend into the surroundings ..
[21:12] <chibihogoshino> ohio has some cell towers that look like pine trees .. if your not looking for them you would never notice it.
[21:19] <cyberanger> well, that's discrete
[21:19] <cyberanger> still want permission
[21:19] <chibihogoshino> yeah ..
[21:21] <cyberanger> if they say yes, but be discreet, got that covered
[21:22] <cyberanger> just can't dig, or damage any wildlife
[21:25] <chibihogoshino> hmm..
[21:48] <cyberanger> yeah historic site, national park, so on, so on, so on
[23:10] <chibihogoshino> i think you typed that wrong... its pot_plant
[23:35] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: you pissed him off and left
[23:35] <cyberanger> shame
[23:35] <chibihogoshino> lol
[23:36] <techMiles> lol...
[23:37] <chibihogoshino> guess he dont like plants that much
[23:38] <cyberanger> well, at least 7 leaf ones
[23:38] <chibihogoshino>  maybe he makes pots for plants .. taking the pot away from the plant would piss him off i guess.
[23:41] <techMiles> lol.