[01:08] <julo> Could anyone try to add a printer using gnome-cups-manager ? On my breezy, I get an error about a missing gnomesu.
[01:09] <Seveas> The debian etch version of opera works fine on breezy
[01:09] <julo> I reported as a bug, but it was closed NOTABUG !?
[01:09] <bigfoot1> Seveas, is that line you gave (deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas breezy-extras) better than just getting the deb file from skype.com+
[01:09] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:09] <sobersabre> Seveas, THANKS...
[01:09] <cjhcjhcjh> I have a bizarre problem with my mouse in X...the system seems to loose track of where the mouse is focused, so e.g. in the browser, when I am clicking in the files area, the places tab in the sidebar is moving. Also left-click stops working. Sometimes r-click fixes it. USB mouse on a laptop with a trackpad...and BTW if I use the trackpad the mouse cursor flies all over the pace and clicks things at random
[01:09] <robotgeek> i guess it is better as the direct bin files throw stuff around, making uninstallation a pain
[01:09] <sumon> hello
[01:09] <BiSK-8> hello
[01:10] <Seveas> bigfoot1, the thing from skype.com has a packaging bug
[01:10] <BiSK-8> how can i check how much ram i have with ubuntu?
[01:10] <sumon> anybody knows how to install the extentions of firefox in ubuntu
[01:10] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i'm interested in fixing my opera too. it was working on hoary, but now it's "Not installed". what is this "debian etch version" that you mentioned?
[01:10] <robotgeek> BiSK-8: free
[01:10] <thoreauputic> BiSK-8: free -m
[01:10] <bimberi> bigfoot1: http://packages.debian.org
[01:10] <Seveas> bigfoot1, go to opera.com and select 'debian etch' when downloading
[01:10] <BiSK-8> k thx
[01:11] <bimberi> bigfoot1: but Seveas' advice is better (as usual :P)
[01:11] <sorush20> how do I get rid of an error format track#0
[01:11] <bigfoot1> Seveas, so your site at seveas.ubuntulinux.nl... only contains stuff that the official sources (such as skype.com) have packaging errors for?
[01:11] <cjhcjhcjh> How do I edit a file as root, when logged in as a user?
[01:11] <sumon> anybody knows how to install the extentions of firefox in ubuntu
[01:11] <cjhcjhcjh> in x, BTW
[01:11] <bigfoot1> Seveas, are you on ubuntu staff+
[01:11] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:11] <robotgeek> sorush20: i think that usually means that the floppy's first sector is corrupted
[01:11] <sumon> sudo
[01:11] <sumon> use sudo
[01:11] <thoreauputic> !tell cjhcjhcjh about root
[01:11] <Seveas> bigfoot1, that and thing I improved or created
[01:12] <piero> bye for all, folks!!
[01:12] <robotgeek> sumon: nope, install from firefox Tools -> Extensions
[01:12] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no I'm not, i'm just an enthousiast community member
[01:12] <sorush20> robotgeek: is there a way to fix this issure.?
[01:12] <sumon> robotgeek , it doesn't work
[01:12] <robotgeek> sorush20: it's useless if you want to use it for booting
[01:12] <morten> robotgeek: i still cant reinstall ubumtu-desktop
[01:12] <bigfoot1> Seveas, okay, i just added deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas breezy-extras to my sources.list. now how do i re-install skype?
[01:12] <robotgeek> sumon: what error does it give you?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[01:12] <sumon> robotgeek , its not downloading anything
[01:12] <ubotu> from memory, doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[01:13] <Seveas> bigfoot1, apt-get install --reinstall skype
[01:13] <robotgeek> sumon: you would need to go to Tools -> Extensions -> Get more extensions
[01:13] <bigfoot1> Seveas, just curious: what would happen if i type "install" rather than "reinstall"?
[01:13] <bigfoot1> Seveas, would that cause problems?
[01:14] <aftertaf> itd say package already installed.
[01:14] <aftertaf> i think
[01:14] <Seveas> bigfoot1, dunno :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: no it wouldn't, if the newer version is available
[01:14] <sumon> robotgeek: it says not a valid package
[01:14] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[01:14] <aftertaf> EnsignRedshirt:  are you a programming language?
[01:14] <sorush20> robotgeek: well I can't even mount it to read it in konqueror
[01:14] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if no newer version is available it tells you :)
[01:15] <robotgeek> sorush20: nope, floppy is pretty much useless :(
[01:15] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, it tells me when i run "install" or when i run "reinstall"?  Could anyone please try to add a printer on Breezy ? I need to know if the printing tool is only broken on my computer. It will take you 5 seconds.
[01:16] <svizzero> anyone knows how to switch to the sun JVM after installing it with dpkg?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if there's a newer version, it just installs it
[01:16] <robotgeek> sorush20: get another floppy
[01:16] <rob^> !java
[01:16] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[01:16] <EnsignRedshirt> julo: I added a printer yesterday.
[01:16] <Seveas> julo, it works here...
[01:16] <robotgeek> julo: i think if you mentioned what printer you had, ppl could help you
[01:16] <rob^> pfft wtf is that?
[01:16] <reiki> considering the apparent size of the user base and anticipating continued growth, will there be a way in the future to check which servers are being slammed and choose (possibly) a less used one for doing an upgrade like this?
[01:16] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, so what's the use of the "reinstall" parameter then?
[01:16] <svizzero> thx talios
[01:16] <aftertaf> EnsignRedshirt:  :D
[01:16] <sobersabre> julo which stage fails ?
[01:16] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i added your line to my sources list and then did the command you gave. i got error message: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3072
[01:16] <aftertaf> reiki:  send energy to the archive cluster, help it stay up :)
[01:16] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: reinstalls the original package, in case you removed some key files :)
[01:16] <EnsignRedshirt> julo: However, it did not automatically detect the printer.  I had to select "USB Printer #1"
[01:17] <julo> robotgeek, sobersabre: double-clicking on "add printer" fails because gnomesu is missing.
[01:17] <aftertaf> reiki:  or change sources.list to ftp:// :D
[01:17] <stevejesus> goodnight everyone and thank you for your help
[01:17] <reiki> aftertaf: good thought :)
[01:17] <sobersabre> julo... HOW ABOUT INSTALLING IT ?
[01:17] <aftertaf> reiki:  which one? :D
[01:17] <reiki> aftertaf first one hehehe
[01:17] <aftertaf> reiki:  hehe :)
[01:17] <robotgeek> sumon: breezy?
[01:18] <sobersabre> julo, there's another idea: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:18] <rob^> ubotu no java is to install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:18] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[01:18] <Seveas> bigfoot1, apt-get update
[01:18] <aftertaf> reiki:  CKR SHK HSZSN :)
[01:18] <reiki> aftertaf: Dai Ko Myo
[01:18] <julo> sobersabre: well, it should whether be a dependency of gnome-cups-manager, or gnome-cups-manager should be able to do without it. Elese, it's abug that needs resolving.
[01:18] <aftertaf> hehehe
[01:18] <MaTaKs> can i install macromedia fireworks on linux?
[01:19] <EnsignRedshirt> Probably a FAQ: (I was using warty until yesterday.) What happened to the email notification tool that I could add to the top panel in gnome?
[01:19] <gorthaug> hi, in the gnome-applet clock, in the calendar the week start on sunday... how i can chage it for monday??
[01:19] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i got error message after running update. please look at http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3073
[01:19] <robotgeek> julo: mostly dependencies are compile based
[01:19] <robotgeek> gorthaug: right click and adjust time :)
[01:19] <aftertaf> MaTaKs:  not really, its windows.
[01:20] <thoreauputic_> bigfoot1: sorry, I got disconnected
[01:20] <cjhcjhcjh> (trying to learn about sudo) If I choose Apps, Systools, "Run as a different user" and enter gedit, nothing happens :-(
[01:20] <julo> Thanks anyway, I'll try to find where the bug comes from.
[01:20] <MaTaKs> aftertaf: how bout photoshop?
[01:20] <gorthaug> robotgeek, thid option don't here
[01:20] <aftertaf> !tell MaTaKs about equivalents
[01:20] <_Temujin> Any kernel compilers here?
[01:20] <aftertaf> MaTaKs:  gimp
[01:20] <robotgeek> gorthaug: really?? weird
[01:20] <Seveas> bigfoot1, gpg --recv-keys 49A120FD1135D466 && gpg --export --armor 49A120FD1135D466 | sudo apt-key add -
[01:20] <Seveas> and then apt-get update
[01:20] <MaTaKs> what's gimp?
[01:20] <bigfoot1> seveas, do i run that gpg line into terminal+?
[01:21] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: yup
[01:21] <aftertaf> MaTaKs:  use your internet connection to find information...... it works too :)
[01:21] <_Temujin> I need to compile a module, so I need the breezy kernel source tree.
[01:21] <cjhcjhcjh> MaTaKs, a graphics editor, a bit like photoshop
[01:21] <_Temujin> Where is it?
[01:21] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yup
[01:21] <bimberi> cjhcjhcjh: sudo gedit <file> (from a terminal)
[01:21] <robotgeek> _Temujin: first get sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:21] <guangu23> hello
[01:21] <sumon> robotgeek: not breezy , hoary
[01:22] <guangu23> who can help me
[01:22] <robotgeek> _Temujin: if all you need are kernel headers, that will do.
[01:22] <bigfoot1> Seveas, is your livelihood Linux related, coz you're really smart
[01:22] <gorthaug> robotgeek, see here http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/3074
[01:22] <EnsignRedshirt> Anyone?  What happened to the little tool bar app that I could set up to show an animated Tux when I had email?
[01:22] <ompaul> guangu23, people may be able to, when they know your question
[01:22] <MaTaKs> cjhcjhcjh: what's better photoshop or gimp?, or juz kinda similar
[01:22] <robotgeek> _Temujin: nope, my bad. you will need to install kernel-headers
[01:22] <guangu23> Wo can help me
[01:22] <bigfoot1> MaTaKs, gimp is free (no money)
[01:22] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes, in a way
[01:22] <guangu23> Who can help me
[01:22] <psichron> !tell psichron kubuntu
[01:22] <cjhcjhcjh> robotgeek, speaking of build-essential and such things...I am not sure that everything was installed here; for a start, "man" is missing...is there a way to check / install all basic components?
[01:22] <desplesda> guangu23:  ask your question please
[01:23] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: gimp is free ( as in Freedom ) << as well :)
[01:23] <guangu23> I find my network is slow
[01:23] <desplesda> guangu23:  we get a lot of questions in here, so don't ask if you can ask a question, just ask away!
[01:23] <cjhcjhcjh> MaTaKs, probably personal preference
[01:23] <daan> I have a audigy zs notebook wich goes into my pcmcia slot. but once i put it in the slot my computer hangs. can anyone help me with that?
[01:23] <guangu23> thank you
[01:23] <guangu23> i see
[01:23] <_Temujin> kernel-package looks like it might have everything
[01:23] <bigfoot1> MaTaKs, but if cost is not an issue, i think photoshop is better. (I don't really know. I don't have the money to try out Photoshop!)
[01:24] <reiki> when this is all done updating... will I need to reboot? It would amaze me if it can make this many changes and not require a reboot. I know it's linux, but...
[01:24] <robotgeek> gorthaug: doesn't just clicking on the date change stuff. also you can try "Synchronize Now"
[01:24] <_Temujin> or linux-linux-headers-2.6.12-9 or headers-2.6.12-9-386 or
[01:24] <ompaul> guangu23, you have to now give more indormaiton, like what kind of network what kind of connection, which ubuntu version you are using how you connect to the network
[01:24] <danst> hi can somebody tell me what the standard dev-node for the parallel port is?
[01:24] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i guess the downside of free software is that the development is worse, would'nt you say?
[01:24] <guangu23> i am useing the ADSL
[01:24] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: on the contrary
[01:24] <robotgeek> _Temujin: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[01:24] <guangu23> i am a chinese
[01:24] <rob^> bigfoot1, its usually better
[01:25] <guangu23> My english is so poor
[01:25] <robotgeek> reiki: you don't have to if you don't want to!
[01:25] <reiki> robotgeek ok... then I'm amazed! :)
[01:26] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, rob^ i just think of openoffice and what looks like a hi-tech MS OFfice.
[01:26] <ompaul> guangu23, what is your adsl connection speed? (your English is okay) how do you connect to it, wireless, wired, if wired what kind of connection is it an adsl card or is it ethernet to a router
[01:26] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: more secure, more rapidly updated, more accessible, better in almost every way - of course closed source apps are sometimes better
[01:26] <robotgeek> reiki: though for kernel updates to be applied, you would need a reboot. i guess anything not being used is updated and can be used immediately
[01:26] <rob^> MS Office has a lot of money behind it, and been around longer
[01:26] <ompaul> guangu23, when you say network do you mean home network, or internet connection
[01:26] <gogeta> anyone knoe why my sound is messed
[01:26] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, but when you think of openoffice apps, don't you think they are primitive compared to MS office?
[01:27] <sumon> robotgeek , anyidea why i cannot get new extentions in firefox?
[01:27] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: openoffice is very nice
[01:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if there is a problem with Free/Open Source, it's likely you can contribute to improve it
[01:27] <guangu23> My ADSL is about 2mps
[01:27] <robotgeek> sumon: no idea
[01:27] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i ran that update command again, and i have some messages relating to your repo. Please see http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3075
[01:27] <daan> I have a audigy zs notebook wich goes into my pcmcia slot. but once i put it in the slot my computer hangs. can anyone help me with that?
[01:27] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i'm no geek. i can't fix it.
[01:27] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: and mostly a better interface than MSOffice
[01:27] <ompaul> bigfoot1, when I think of MS office I think closed source and when I think of alternatives I think they have enough functionality for me to be very happy using them as I have for 10 years
[01:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: there are other ways to help
[01:28] <Seveas> bigfoot1, meh, my repositiry is broken :/
[01:28] <EnsignRedshirt> Ahhh... is gdesklets-data what I want, or mail-notification?
[01:28] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i can submit bugs.
[01:28] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: like i do here
[01:28] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: I'm not a programmer but I can help in IRC
[01:28] <robotgeek> EnsignRedshirt: probably gdesklets
[01:28] <danst> /dev/parport0 does not seem to be the standard parallel port. what is it??
[01:28] <Seveas> bigfoot1, grab http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/breezy-extras/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb manually and dpkg -i it
[01:28] <bigfoot1> Seveas, so what must i do if i want to get a clean package of skype. (You mentioned that the skype package from skype.com has packaging errors)
[01:28] <guangu23> But when i use the ubuntu linux,i find it is so slow
[01:28] <bimberi> danst: (at a guess) /dev/lp0 ?
[01:28] <_Temujin> robogeek> Thanks... Now I need to get the module source for my Cisco VPN client :)
[01:29] <Seveas> bigfoot1, I just said what to do :)
[01:29] <EnsignRedshirt> ...or maybe notification-daemon?  This one is supported by Ubuntu, but I'm not sure what it does.
[01:29] <robotgeek> _Temujin: have fun compiling!
[01:29] <guangu23> i used windows before
[01:29] <bigfoot1> Seveas, is "dpkg -i" a newbie-friendly command to run?
[01:29] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no
[01:29] <rob^> heh
[01:29] <Seveas> but it runs ;)
[01:29] <robotgeek> :)
[01:29] <_Temujin> robogeek> And if I want to tweek my kernel... do I get kernel-package?
[01:29] <Seveas> newbie friendly would be me fixung my repo
[01:29] <dooglus> _Temujin: get 'vpnc' - that connects you to Cisco VPNs
[01:29] <guangu23> ompaul:???
[01:29] <reiki> ok... update just finished. I'm going to reboot to get the new kernel running... back in a few (hopefully).
[01:29] <Seveas> but I don't have time for that now
[01:29] <_Temujin> yeah?
[01:29] <dooglus> yeah!  :)
[01:29] <_Temujin> Without tainting?
[01:29] <ompaul> bigfoot1, well one of the things you can do it go to skype and get the tgz and follow their instructions, you can also do stuff like go to skype and complain that it does not work out of the box with ubuntu
[01:30] <danst> bimberi, sorry it's not lp0 as well... dmesg doesnt tell me the port... what is it at your pc?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if you're frustrated with skype and opera it isn't ubuntu's fault you know ;-)
[01:30] <dooglus> tainting?  the kernel you mean?
[01:30] <aftertaf> lol Seveas antin00b :)
[01:30] <_Temujin> yeah
[01:30] <bimberi> danst: don't be sorry, i am, but i was guessing :)
[01:30] <guangu23> Then how can I updata my system
[01:30] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i'm not frustrated with skype or opera. what made you think that?
[01:30] <noodle> how do i change the default 386 kernel to a 686 one?
[01:30] <dooglus> I don't know what that means, but I never had a problem with it
[01:31] <mahangu> anyone recomend any cool desktop widgets to work with ubuntu?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: oh OK - I thought you were complaining about having to use dpkg for them :)
[01:31] <bigfoot1> ompaul, what's the best way to get skype? what's the cleanest way? Most newbie-friendly way?
[01:31] <dooglus> _Temujin: you'll have to find the real network key, not the long expanded one, but there are ways of doing that
[01:31] <_Temujin> I feel like a n00b switching to Ubuntu... First Debian I've used...
[01:31] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i wasn't complaining. i just didn't know what dpkg does.
[01:31] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: man dpkg :)
[01:31] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: OK - now worries :)
[01:32] <thoreauputic> heh *no* worries I meant
[01:32] <jasp> guangu23:  if you are trying to install apllications through the ubuntu server, that can be slow at the moment, normally it's much faster
[01:32] <bigfoot1> Seveas, so your skype deb is better than the deb at skype.com, is this correct?
[01:32] <guangu23> what king linux do you use
[01:32] <TFP_> hi
[01:32] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1:  If it works, it's better ;)
[01:32] <guangu23> jasp
[01:33] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, why do you say so?
[01:33] <guangu23> jasp/
[01:33] <TFP_> how can i start a programm on startup under ubuntu? a deamon
[01:33] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: working > not working :)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: that;s why he made it - the skype.com deb is broken
[01:33] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i gotcha.
[01:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:33] <sedeki> i have some truetype fonts i want to install. were do i put them?
[01:33] <reiki> ok.. rebooted fine... update manager has a couple updates for me already
[01:33] <robotgeek> TFP_: use update-rc.d <script> defaults
[01:34] <ompaul> guangu23, sorry I do not understand your update question, can you give more information
[01:34] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: an example of the community doing a better job :)
[01:34] <jasp> I'm upgrading from ubuntu hoary to breezy at the moment.
[01:34] <sedeki> here /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType ??
[01:34] <johntramp> hey is there a way to have nautilus only use browser mode
[01:34] <mahangu> i want to move my gnome application menu to another panel, can i do that>
[01:34] <redguy|work> TFP_: you should make a script that launches the program and put it in /etc/init.d/, then do as robotgeek says
[01:34] <_Temujin> and to get the complete kernel source tree for breezy?
[01:34] <jasp> like many other people..
[01:34] <ompaul> guangu23, for package updates, in a terminal >sudo apt-get update<  > sudo apt-get upgrade<  that is for bug fixing
[01:34] <dooglus> mahangu: right-click it and say 'move'
[01:34] <cjhcjhcjh> where should I install realplayer, so that firefox can find it?
[01:34] <bigfoot1> Seveas, maybe you can give your deb file to skype
[01:35] <MaTaKs> what's better xchat or irssi?
[01:35] <[R] > hi, i've got a problem since i use Breezy : when i try to reboot (sudo reboot), it does a power off :-/
[01:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: hah
[01:35] <guangu23> ompaul,such as install a mysql
[01:35] <sumon> robotgeek, i have an old version of firefox
[01:35] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, don't you think it's a good idea.
[01:35] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: why would he do that unless they open their code?
[01:35] <sumon> robotgeek, 1.0.7
[01:35] <danst> hi everyone, where could I find the device adress of my parallel port (it's not lp0 and not parport0)
[01:35] <dooglus> MaTaKs: xchat is graphical, irssi is text based.  they're different
[01:35] <ompaul> guangu23 I am going to get the bot to send you a message that is ubotu
[01:35] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, you mean seveas hacked into a close-coded app?
[01:35] <TFP_> redguy|work: and what has to be in that script?
[01:35] <guangu23> where can i get a mysql package
[01:35] <robotgeek> sumon: 1.0.7 is the newest i guess
[01:36] <mahangu> dooglus, wont move :(
[01:36] <cjhcjhcjh> what subdir should I install an app to? (eg realplayer)
[01:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: they don't give the community their code - no he just added the necessary dependencies etc
[01:36] <ompaul> !tell guangu23 about synaptic
[01:36] <bigfoot1> is there a way to "dpkg -i" a deb using GUI? Will synaptic do it?
[01:36] <dooglus> mahangu: is it 'locked to panel'?  if so, untick that
[01:36] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no there is no way yet
[01:36] <robotgeek> TFP_: whatever you need to run the daemon
[01:36] <bimberi> bigfoot1: no
[01:36] <sumon> robotgeek , oh ya .. but the extentions are not made for the newest version
[01:36] <reiki> ok.. all done except mplayer-586 is not upgraded
[01:36] <bigfoot1> Seveas, bimberi . okay, time to go to the dark side: terminal
[01:36] <mahangu> dooglus, if i delete it, can i add it to a panel again?
[01:36] <robotgeek> sumon: then just wait
[01:36] <guangu23> how can i recever it
[01:37] <TFP_> ah ok
[01:37] <TFP_> thx
[01:37] <robotgeek> TFP_: np
[01:37] <robotgeek> mahangu: yeah, you can add it back
[01:37] <dooglus> mahangu: sure.  but you should be able to move it.  you don't drag mind you - just right-click, click 'move', then let go of the mouse buttons and move the mouse pointer to the other panel
[01:37] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no, the Dark Side is KDE, the terminal is merely the semi-transparent side :)
[01:37] <cjhcjhcjh> I installed realplayer to the default folder - ie in my desktop...but firefox cant find it to play a file. Should I move it?  Use fluxbox!
[01:38] <mahangu> there is no such applet
[01:38] <bigfoot1> Seveas, you gave me an unnecessary scare! dpkg -i IS newbie friendly. I thought that that command was the first step of many. But it does it all!
[01:38] <cyberixae> Why doesn't my xmodmap do anything?
[01:39] <dooglus> mahangu: add 'menu bar'
[01:39] <cyberixae> It gives no errors
[01:39] <cyberixae> But it doesn't affect the keyboard layout in any way.
[01:39] <Seveas> bigfoot1, hehe, if you have KDE installed that is ;)
[01:39] <Seveas> otherwise it will spew errors
[01:39] <BiSK-8> hello
[01:39] <guangu23> ompaul,how can i find you next time
[01:39] <dooglus> mahangu: or try adding 'main menu' instead.  it's the same, but takes up 10 times less screen space
[01:39] <Seveas> (in the case of this package)
[01:40] <bigfoot1> Seveas, dpkg -i in kde is a horror film?
[01:40] <BiSK-8> whats the package that i have 2 install to use the command make or make install?
[01:40] <ompaul> guangu23, come in ask your question, give as much detail as you can and others can help you also :)
[01:40] <mahangu> dooglus, cool
[01:40] <mahangu> thanks mate
[01:40] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no, but nevermind :)
[01:40] <aftertaf> bigfoot1:  when you look at MSOffice, dont you find it bloatware compared to openoffice?
[01:40] <guangu23> thank you
[01:40] <aftertaf> :D
[01:40] <dooglus> glad to be of service :)
[01:40] <guangu23> i will
[01:40] <joniak99> question????  I dual boot right now with Ubuntu as my main,  i need to upgrade my windows and as i have done this before i am afraid i will not be able to get into my ubuntu later how can i back up my info. in ubuntu
[01:40] <bigfoot1> aftertaf, yes i guess. but from the little i know of the newest version, it's very high-tech.
[01:40] <ompaul> guangu23, well you can always hang around and see if you can give help :)
[01:41] <thoreauputic> guangu23: finding ompaul isn't a problem - avoiding him *is* ;-)
[01:41] <robotgeek> bigfoot1: half of my thesis was written in OO.org
[01:41] <aftertaf> yeah, but do we NEED it all?
[01:41] <ompaul> hahaha
[01:41] <Toma-> im getting a nasty message from konqueror "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" i run it in a term and get "end from FAM server connection" any clues on a fix?
[01:41] <guangu23> *ompaul*
[01:41] <guangu23> ?????
[01:41] <guangu23> I can't undstand
[01:42] <aftertaf> guangu23:  you dont want to ;)
[01:42] <guangu23> to where
[01:42] <bigfoot1> seveas, I can't find debian etch version of opera at http://opera.com/download/?platform=linux
[01:42] <Da_Putzler> hi folks...
[01:43] <bigfoot1> i just re-installed skype, but all my contacts are gone!
[01:43] <dooglus> bigfoot1: the static one works fine
[01:43] <robotgeek> okay, i gotta hit the bed now...cya folks later
[01:43] <Da_Putzler> Just installed Ubuntu 5.10 and everything works great, except the server lists... it stalls when refreshing
[01:43] <EnsignRedshirt> OK, the gdesklet mail notification works, but I would rather have a smaller icon in the toolbar.  What happened to the old email notifcation toolbar app that was available in warty?
[01:43] <aftertaf> Da_Putzler:  network load...
[01:43] <GNAM> terrible
[01:43] <bigfoot1> forget it. Skype HAS my contacts.
[01:43] <robotgeek> Da_Putzler: servers are slammed right now
[01:43] <bigfoot1> I made a mistake of opening two instances of skype and one of them had no contacts. Sorry. Ignore this.
[01:44] <Da_Putzler> oh, so give it some time 'til everything quietens down
[01:44] <aftertaf> Da_Putzler:  or change http to ftp ;)
[01:44] <guangu23> I must to work now,thanks for your help,ompaul
[01:44] <cusco> how do I make small calculations on bash?
[01:44] <Da_Putzler> ah, good point
[01:44] <reiki> in Synaptic I have several things listed under Not Installed (residual config) ... what's that mean?
[01:45] <cusco> like 192/3
[01:45] <nomed> anyone using ivman with xfce ?
[01:45] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, are you on dial-up?
[01:45] <Da_Putzler> can u answer a quick network question ?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> cusco:  echo $[2 + 2]
[01:45] <cusco> thoreauputic: cheers
[01:45] <dooglus> I only just got the security package for openssl.  the package is timestamped 21 hours ago.  are the mirrors that far behind really?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: yes, sadly
[01:45] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, is high-speed internet expensive in your area?
[01:45] <dooglus> cusco: ((x=x+2))
[01:46] <MaTaKs> i install a 3dchess, how can i run the game?
[01:46] <Da_Putzler> How come when I enable my Wireless card in Ubuntu, the keyboard slows down and repeats when I type ???
[01:46] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: fairly - but I'm rather poor as well ;)
[01:46] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i'm sad to hear that.
[01:46] <pitti> dooglus: no, we just had some delay with setting up breezy-security
[01:46] <ompaul> guangu23, no problem
[01:46] <pitti> dooglus: that's fine
[01:46] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, how much is the average monthly price of hi-speed internet in your area?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: Oh I don't mind really - my needs are modest :)
[01:46] <cjhcjhcjh> Woot have Radio4...thanks for all the tips on that one...you all rock
[01:46] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i see.
[01:46] <guangu23><PHONE_NUMBER>88888
[01:47] <Trackilizer> Hey, just wanted to ask is it possible to update to Breezy using only the Breezy CD, the reason i ask is be cause about half way though Synaptic stops reading the CD and starts downloading, is this normal?
[01:47] <bigfoot1> guangu23, all right, you've learned to type the number eight. Now on to the number nine.
[01:47] <jasp> MaTaKs:if there is no shortcur in Applications/Games menu, you can create one, or open a terminal and type 3dchess.
[01:47] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer: yes, if you have extra apps that aren't on the CD, of course
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: 9 is too far to reach :)
[01:48] <MaTaKs> jasp:  i tried 3dchess  but say's no such file or directory
[01:48] <Ky0tIk> anyone else getting a bad gpg signature ?
[01:48] <Ky0tIk> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:48] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, you gotta start each day with some pinky-stretching exercise.
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: good idea :)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> Ky0tIk: I got one a few hours ago - it cleared up
[01:49] <EnsignRedshirt> Ky0tIk: I got the same error yesterday the first time I reloaded in synaptic.  I clicked OK, and everything has worked find since then.
[01:49] <EnsignRedshirt> s/find/fine/
[01:49] <thoreauputic> Ky0tIk: I suggest waiting a while and trying again
[01:49] <Ky0tIk> i think its a server side problem
[01:49] <Ky0tIk> i was just making sure
[01:49] <Trackilizer> So, how do i set Synaptic to use only the  CD to update?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Ky0tIk: the servers are having an overwork crisis :)
[01:50] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: what did you use in the end to get radio 4?
[01:50] <bigfoot1> i just reinstalled opera, and i get an error message. please refer http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3076
[01:50] <Ky0tIk> thoreauputic: i noticed that :D
[01:50] <daan> when i try to start enemy territory i get: Received error 11: exiting...       can someone help?
[01:50] <mgedmin> I've missing nautilus icons after upgrade to breezy -- any ideas?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Ky0tIk: not yet a nervous breakdown though ;)
[01:51] <avalente> locales should be one of the first packages to be reconfigured on update... because of the perl errors.. :S
[01:51] <bigfoot1> the opera problem is about motif wrapper (for realplayer).  What is this motif thingy?
[01:51] <loli> maple syrup doesn't go well with paper plates :(
[01:51] <thoreauputic> mgedmin: try changing theme
[01:51] <Trackilizer> So has anyone updated from Hoary to Breezy using only the CD?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> loli: quotes of the day :)
[01:51] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, realplayer
[01:51] <loli> ^_^
[01:51] <kbrooks> Trackilizer: no, i use the net
[01:52] <loli> bbl
[01:52] <nasso> has anyone seen the breezy cd-cover?
[01:52] <mgedmin> thoreauputic, that helped -- thanks a lot
[01:52] <Trackilizer> Well, the net is rather slow now, but i have the CD so i just wanted to know if i can upgrade using only the CD.
[01:52] <kbrooks> Trackilizer: yes you can
[01:52] <kbrooks> add the cdrom
[01:53] <thoreauputic> mgedmin: you're welcome :)
[01:53] <Trackilizer> Erm.... how?
[01:53] <Trackilizer> I don't know how.
[01:53] <[R] > hi, i use Breezy, and when i try to reboot (sudo reboot), it does actually a power off :-(. Any idea ?
[01:53] <Trackilizer> That's the prob.
[01:53] <rancorus> why does it seem that the update to Breezy will never end by doing it apt-get
[01:53] <kbrooks> synaptic
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer:  apt-cdrom add
[01:53] <cjhcjhcjh> I am missing various packages...I have done apt-get build-essential, but worry I am missing stuff...what else? (man is still missing, which doesn&t help my loads-of-questions-floods)
[01:53] <kbrooks> rancorus: internet is slow
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer: actually sudo apt-cdrom add
[01:53] <nasso> rancorus: the servers are probable overloaded rights now :)
[01:53] <aravi_> Hmm, can't get the ATI drivers to work.
[01:54] <Renski> rancorus: what kind of internet connection are you using?
[01:54] <aravi_> fglxinfo shows it as using Mesa Indirect, and outputs the following error
[01:54] <Trackilizer> Okie, I'll try that now.. be back in a bit to let you guys know if it worked or not.
[01:54] <rancorus> kbrooks: I know but everytime i reach the end and i run sudo apt-get upgrade it finds more
[01:54] <aravi_> libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed
[01:54] <kbrooks> rancorus: dist-upgrade
[01:54] <rancorus> Renski: sympatico high-speed (pppoe)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer: you can only expect the CD rom to update stuff it has on board
[01:54] <daan> how do i install my ati card on breezy?
[01:54] <bigfoot1> i just reinstalled opera, but it's not showing up on my main menu
[01:54] <rancorus> kbrooks: i did that to
[01:55] <rancorus> kbrooks: when do you know you reached the end
[01:55] <bigfoot1> opera showed up on my main menu/internet in hoary, but not in breezy
[01:55] <gfxstyler> hi
[01:55] <Ky0tIk> Sonderblade: tell everyone about your experience upgrading to breezy... lol    the poor guy had 233 broken deps, and didnt know it and had changed his sources to breezy,  then he tried apt-get update and dist-upgrade got almost a majority completed then it failed on him..    leaving his system have 5.04 half 5.10....  i think we might, just might have it going ok now though, after a lot of digging and fixing lol
[01:55] <kbrooks> rancorus: i have no clue
[01:56] <rancorus> kbrooks: ok thank you
[01:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: non-compliant path in the opera code somewhere, probably
[01:56] <sham> hey
[01:56] <gfxstyler> will the new ati fglrx drivers get into the breezy repositories? 8.18.6
[01:56] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, do you know how to add the icon/shortcut?
[01:56] <avalente> locales should be one of the first packages to be reconfigured on update... because of the perl errors.. :S has anyone got these perl errors about LOCALE?
[01:56] <cjhcjhcjh> Where can I see the packages that the installation should normally install? (bcoz it didnt)
[01:56] <sham> i was just wondering how i can stop evolution-data-server starting up at startup?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: use the smeg manu editor
[01:56] <indypende> hi all
[01:56] <Trackilizer> So after "sudo apt-cdrom add", what next?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> *menu
[01:57] <indypende> what's the soution for the "restricted format" package repository?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: the icon is probably in /usr/share/ somewhere
[01:57] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, do you know how i add use  an image file as an icon for those packages which don't come with any icons?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:58] <Trackilizer> Okie
[01:58] <amartineau> salut
[01:58] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: when I tried installing realplayer, it wanted me to download version 8.  the website has version 10GOLD or something.  what did you do about that?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if you make your own icon you just tell the menu editor where it is
[01:58] <amartineau> hi
[01:58] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, oh cool. my icons can be of any size?
[01:59] <amartineau> i m new
[01:59] <FliesLikeABrick> are there mirrors for apt repositories like us.archive.ubuntu.com and whatnot?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: well, I guess they come out the standard size :)
[01:59] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, when I tried to play the radio, I was directed to v10...I downloaded it (a .BIN), chmod"d it, ran it as root, and it worked
[01:59] <salutis1> hello, i am problem with gaim. how i unmaximize gaim from gnome panel?
[01:59] <bigfoot1> i see, menu-editor resizes the image file.
[01:59] <indypende> what's the soution for the "restricted format" package repository?
[02:00] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: ooh, so it's outside of the dpkg system...
[02:00] <Aravi> Hmm, can't get the ATI drivers to work.
[02:00] <Aravi> fglxinfo shows it as using Mesa Indirect, and outputs the following error
[02:00] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: probably the system resizes it, not smeg
[02:00] <Aravi> libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed
[02:00] <FliesLikeABrick> !tell Aravi about ATI
[02:00] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, I guess so...I wasn"t sure how to install it so just did it myself
[02:00] <Trackilizer> Crap! It's still using the net to update, oh well... guess I'll just have to use that now.
[02:00] <amartineau> i have install new ubuntu
[02:00] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, they did have an rpm if you know how to deal with those...I just ran the bin and it did its thing
[02:01] <salutis1> amartineau, congratulations ..)
[02:01] <amartineau> it's beautifull
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer: it isn't magic you know - it can only use the CD for packages that are on the CD
[02:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:01] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: that's what I'm worried about.  real.com's thing has a history of being nasty
[02:01] <salutis1> i am problem with gaim. how i unmaximize gaim from gnome panel?
[02:01] <Aravi> FliesLikeABrick, if you're talking about this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[02:01] <amartineau> But i can't connect with synaptic now
[02:01] <Trackilizer> Yeah! noticed, just thought all needed packages would be on the CD.
[02:01] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, I got it at http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer.....and yes, I agree, I have had probs in the past...but its working ATM, is all
[02:02] <Aravi> I've followed those steps, yet it still doesn't work. It also doesn't document my error.
[02:02] <Aravi> BTW: The !tell didn't seem to work.
[02:02] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: i know on windows it hooks into places to make sure it gets run automatically - and if you remove those hooks it adds them again the next time you play a movie...  nasty behaviour
[02:02] <amartineau> may be there too lot of people
[02:02] <Trackilizer> I hope the update is worth it...
[02:02] <thoreauputic> !ati
[02:02] <ubotu> from memory, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[02:02] <mgedmin> firefox won't start for me, even when I move the profile directory away
[02:02] <bigfoot1> is there an equivalent to MAC widgets on ubuntu? I want to have clocks of different cities on my desktop.
[02:03] <mgedmin> however it does start on a remote X server if I use ssh X forwarding
[02:03] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, yep, I know...it is a pain, but also hard to do without it
[02:03] <mahangu> woo my new desktop looks awesome
[02:03] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: apparently it's possible to play realmedia stuff without it - but I can't get it to work.
[02:03] <mgedmin> so I blame my X server, but have got no idea how to debug this
[02:03] <salutis1> i am problem with gaim. how i unmaximize gaim from gnome panel?
[02:03] <Trackilizer> Your words are worthless without a screenshot :P
[02:03] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, I have had the same experiences.
[02:03] <thoreauputic> salutis1: please stop repeating
[02:03] <jasp> amartineau: yes I think that's the reason, the servers are really slow.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> !repeat
[02:04] <ubotu> it has been said that repeat is Don't repeat your question every few minutes- if someone knows they will answer
[02:04] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: I'm going to try taking their .rpm file apart any see if it contains the missing dlls...  it probably won't, but it's worth a try in the absense of any other ideas.
[02:04] <salutis1> thoreauputic,
[02:04] <salutis1> thoreauputic, ok
[02:04] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:04] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, would it help if I pastebin a list of the installed version?
[02:05] <blackfeet> hi, since i've updated to breezy a view fonts are missing, for example gnuCash doesn't work because it needs helvetica. I've installed all possible font-packages
[02:05] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: yes, quite possibly
[02:05] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: you can get a list somehow?  it's not a package, is it?
[02:05] <FliesLikeABrick> amartineau, jasp see the topic
[02:05] <Ky0tIk> salutis1: what do you mean unmaximize from gnome panel?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> salutis1: your question is unclear - try rephrasing it
[02:05] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, it installed into a subdir called RealPlayer
[02:06] <FliesLikeABrick> blackfeet,  did you do what it said about fonts at http://tinyurl.com/dkllj ?
[02:06] <Ky0tIk> cjhcjhcjh: what are you trying to install?
[02:06] <amartineau> ok
[02:06] <Ky0tIk> helix / real?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> cjhcjhcjh: did you run it with sudo, and accept the defaults?
[02:07] <salutis1> i have gaim application minimized in gnome panel. is here keyboard shortcut for give my buddy-list window?
[02:07] <blackfeet> FliesLikeABrick, no, i'll look
[02:07] <indypende> what's the soution for the "restricted format" package repository?
[02:07] <eruin> does anyone know a quick and easy way to use gstreamer to convert .m4a files to mp3?
[02:08] <Ky0tIk> salutis1: im having a difficult time understanding you.... i think you mean gnome is a tray icon, and you want a keyboard shortcut to open your buddy list?? am i correct?
[02:09] <seekerr> hello
[02:09] <dooglus> Ky0tIk: gaim, not gnome, but otherwise yes, that's what he said
[02:10] <cjhcjhcjh> thoreauputic, yes, defaults
[02:10] <thoreauputic> cjhcjhcjh: did you accept to make system wide links ?
[02:10] <cjhcjhcjh> Ky0tIk, realplayer, and I did install it; others want to know details
[02:10] <cjhcjhcjh> thoreauputic, yep, and there are now links all over the shop
[02:10] <Ky0tIk> yea i meant gaim dooglus
[02:10] <Ky0tIk> lack of sleep here
[02:11] <gurL14> asl everyone
[02:11] <Ky0tIk> cjhcjhcjh: i had real player installed.. but it was worthless..
[02:11] <thoreauputic> cjhcjhcjh: sorry, what problem are you having with it? It won't run?
[02:11] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, just looked and cant find much of use to you...the subdir just has some pngs, some config files and the one executable
[02:11] <dooglus> it's a good question isn't it.  can you make a new global keyboard shortcut to do something like open the gaim buddy list?
[02:11] <cjhcjhcjh> thoreauputic, no problem, is working; was giving info to dooglus
[02:11] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: and stuff like codecs/raac.so too?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> cjhcjhcjh: oh - sorry - I missed that :)
[02:12] <Ky0tIk> mozplugger, mplayer, mpg321, xine/vlc xmms  thats my choices for everything heh
[02:12] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, cant see any of that, might be elsewhere but remember Im a n00b
[02:12] <bigfoot1> bomb alert: I have a file called core in my home directory, and its icon is that of a bomb. What should i do with it?
[02:12] <dooglus> Ky0tIk: which of those plays real stuff?
[02:12] <Aravi> kernel-headers-2.6.11-9 requires kernel-kbuild-2.6.3 which is not available.
[02:12] <cjhcjhcjh> thoreauputic, no worries; Im sure I will hit another problem for you within the next half hour
[02:12] <Aravi> Any idea where I should go to get them?
[02:12] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: you can use "find" to find files.  do "find <dir> -name raac.so"
[02:12] <Ky0tIk> im not "real" sure
[02:13] <thoreauputic> cjhcjhcjh: hahah :D
[02:13] <dooglus> where <dir> is the place you installed to
[02:13] <Ky0tIk> but i know something besides real player /helix does
[02:13] <Artemis3> bigfoot1: delete it, each time a program crash it can make a debug file called core dump
[02:13] <Aravi> bigfoot1, it's a coredump from a program that crashed.
[02:13] <dooglus> I tried helix.  it told me it didn't support real stuff, and that I should download realplayer from real.com
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Aravi: erm - why 2.6.11 ?
[02:13] <fernando> hi all
[02:13] <fernando> W: GPG error: http://www.opensourcemirrors.org breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[02:14] <bigfoot1> Artemis3, Aravi oh, phew.
[02:14] <Ky0tIk> dooglus: helix is a real clone
[02:14] <fernando> three errors
[02:14] <Ng> Ky0tIk: it doesn't have the real codec though
[02:14] <Artemis3> i like disabling core dumps...
[02:14] <fernando> breezy, breezy-updates and breezy-security
[02:14] <bigfoot1> if i add multiple mirrors to my sources list, will my ubuntu be smart enough to download from the fastest one?
[02:14] <Ky0tIk> something in the repos has a code that works with .ra and .rpm
[02:14] <Aravi> I'm trying to get the kernel headers so I can build the ATi drivers manually.
[02:14] <Ky0tIk> codec*
[02:14] <dooglus> how do you enable coredumps?  I've not seen a core for months.
[02:15] <reiki> hmmm... after the update I appear to have openoffice.org AND openoffice.org2
[02:15] <Aravi> since I can't seem to get the packaged ones to work.
[02:15] <cjhcjhcjh> bigfoot1, no - will try the first one first...even if 2nd is a local file
[02:15] <dooglus> Aravi: get "linux-kernel-headersW
[02:15] <Ng> dooglus: with ulimit
[02:15] <dooglus> Aravi: get "linux-kernel-headers"
[02:15] <Artemis3> you see em only if your programs crash
[02:15] <bigfoot1> cjhcjhcjh, so order is very important.
[02:15] <Artemis3> which should not be often...
[02:15] <dooglus> Artemis3: oh, my programs crash all the time.  I see "segmentation fault", but no coredump
[02:15] <Ng> reiki: you can remove openoffice with synaptic
[02:15] <bigfoot1> Artemis3, how do you disable core dumps? And is there any reason NOT to disable?
[02:16] <dooglus> bigfoot1: core files are useful for debugging
[02:16] <cjhcjhcjh> bigfoot1, yep, local copy of cd first, then ftp or http
[02:16] <Artemis3> to help developers resolve the bugs
[02:16] <Artemis3> they might want to see the dump
[02:16] <dooglus> it's a copy of memory as it was when the program crashed
[02:16] <bigfoot1> Artemis3, who do? Developers/geeks? I'm no geek, so i guess i don't need to see these core dumps, right?
[02:16] <cjhcjhcjh> bigfoot1, that way if there is a newer version on the web it will fetch it; if not it will get it from your local copy
[02:17] <bigfoot1> cjhcjhcjh, so i should but web mirror first, and then local hard drive?
[02:17] <Aravi> Already installed :\
[02:17] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus, there is no raac anywhere on my system
[02:17] <Aravi> Yet I can't build the drivers myself
[02:17] <cjhcjhcjh> bigfoot1, no...local first, then web
[02:18] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if you get a core dump and you aren't submitting a bug, just delete the file
[02:18] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: oh, ok.  it's in the rpm version...
[02:18] <ian> Anybody have experience with a Windows/Netboot installation for a Win98 lappy?
[02:18] <dooglus> so how do you enable core dumps?
[02:18] <dooglus> I don't think I ever deliberately disabled them
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ian: erm - that's way offtopic
[02:18] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, and we were just talking about how i can do my part to contribute to the OSS world. I'd feel guilty if i disable core dumps. should i?
[02:18] <cjhcjhcjh> ian I have just installed on a 98 laptop, but I used loadlin rather than netboot
[02:19] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: heh - up to you :)
[02:19] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: if you submit a bug and you have a core file, the devs might be interested in it
[02:20] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, okay, is there a way to change the folder where core dumps go?
[02:20] <dooglus> elmo crashes whenever I run it, but makes no core:
[02:20] <dooglus> $ elmo => Segmentation fault  $ ls core => ls: core: No such file or directory
[02:20] <cjhcjhcjh> ian, why do you want to use netboot to install?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: what for? They land in $HOME by default I think
[02:20] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic, i don't want to make my home directory messed up. that's all.
[02:21] <dooglus> bigfoot1: it's one file...
[02:21] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: you won't - core dumps don't happen much you know :)
[02:21] <Artemis3> "By using the ulimit command in bash, the limit command in tcsh, or the
[02:21] <ian> I dont have a CD-ROM or floppy for my lappy...
[02:21] <thoreauputic> In all the time I've used ubuntu I think I've seen 3 core dumps :)
[02:21] <Artemis3> rlimit command in ksh."
[02:22] <ian> I tried using loadlin...
[02:22] <ian> but was getting an error...
[02:22] <ian> Kernel Panick - unable to mount root fs...
[02:22] <apokryphos> !tell ian about install
[02:22] <cjhcjhcjh> ian what error? I had to fight with it but I got it to work in the end
[02:22] <cjhcjhcjh> ian yep, I had that. hold on...checking notes
[02:22] <ian> thanks.
[02:23] <Florob> I just noticed I have no sysfs under breezy, is this normal?
[02:23] <bigfoot1>  Artemis3 how do i disable core dumps?
[02:23] <Artemis3> i just gave an answer
[02:24] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: it's really pretty pointless ...
[02:24] <jfarrell> hey all i need some quick help
[02:24] <jfarrell> trying to install kde on my ubuntu system, but i get this
[02:24] <jfarrell> not sure what to make of it
[02:24] <jfarrell>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: dbus-qt-1 but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <jfarrell>                    Depends: k3b but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <jfarrell>                    Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <jfarrell>                    Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <jfarrell>                    Depends: konq-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <jfarrell>                    Depends: kynaptic but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <jfarrell>                    Depends: ubuntu-quickguide but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <thoreauputic> idiot
[02:25] <cjhcjhcjh> ian you need to extract the linux (kernel) and the initrd.gz from the install cd, and have them in the same subdir as loadlin, then do "loadlin linux /initrd=initrd.gz root=/dev/ram rw"
[02:25] <dooglus> Florob: no, it's not normal I don't think.  I see:
[02:25] <dooglus> "sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)" and "none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)"
[02:25] <chx> hi. between Breezy Pre and Release Beep Media Player skin has changed, how could I get back the old?
[02:25] <ian> ok...
[02:25] <ian> what about ramdisk_size parameters?
[02:25] <apokryphos> jfarrell: it's common courtesey to not flood the channel; use a pastebin service.
[02:25] <Artemis3> "Install kde on my ubuntu..." how about installing kubuntu?
[02:25] <ian> vga?
[02:25] <apokryphos> Artemis3: kubuntu = kde+ubuntu
[02:25] <ian> not required?
[02:26] <cjhcjhcjh> ian, ?
[02:26] <Florob> dooglus: This is a fresh install, hmm, well I guess I'll add it to my fstab and file a bug report
[02:26] <Artemis3> doesn't kubuntu remove gnome?
[02:26] <ian> yes cjhcjhcjh...?
[02:26] <ian> Im here.
[02:26] <dooglus> Florob: it's not in my fstab...
[02:26] <mwe> Artemis3: it just doesn't install it by default
[02:26] <apokryphos> Artemis3: nope; the kubuntu ISO only has ubuntu-base and kde, though you can perfectly run kde and gnome
[02:27] <apokryphos> !tell Artemis3 about kubuntu
[02:27] <jfarrell> apologies to the channel
[02:27] <jfarrell> i meant to post this
[02:27] <jfarrell> http://pastebin.com/393365
[02:27] <typo> anyone know how I can compile a kernel that's just like 2.6.12-9-686?
[02:27] <ompaul> apokryphos, it does not have  kubuntu-desktop
[02:27] <Artemis3> apokryphos, that note needs updating (it mentions hoary)
[02:28] <cjhcjhcjh> ian, you dont need to bother with the ramdisk stuff, it "just workd" ;-)
[02:28] <cjhcjhcjh> s/kd/ks/
[02:28] <ian> ok cool....
[02:28] <apokryphos> ompaul: what doesn't?
[02:28] <apokryphos> Artemis3: go for it :)
[02:28] <ian> will give it a try now. Thanks!
[02:28] <cjhcjhcjh> ian hang on
[02:28] <ompaul> apokryphos, sorry I thought that kubuntu cd had :  kubuntu-desktop or am I reading you wrong
[02:29] <apokryphos> ompaul: it does have it
[02:29] <Florob> dooglus: Oh I guess I found a reason why it's not mounted than(i just did "umount -a; mount -a", but why is it mounted explicitly and not with mount -a on bootup?
[02:29] <cjhcjhcjh> ian if you do the above it will work, but will install everything from the web, not from your local iso...if that is ok - fast net - then go for it.
[02:29] <BiSK-8> whats the package that i have 2 install to use the command make or make install?
[02:29] <ompaul> apokryphos, thats okay I was reading you wrong :)
[02:29] <bigfoot1> Seveas, since you said your repos are broken, i should remove them from my sources list, right?
[02:29] <Ng> BiSK-8: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:29] <ian> got a fast network connection...
[02:29] <cjhcjhcjh> ian, it is possible to mount the iso image and install the rest from that if you dont have hours to kill whi
[02:29] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes
[02:29] <ian> BUT
[02:29] <cjhcjhcjh> ian, while it downloads
[02:30] <ian> lappy is using PCMCIA network card...
[02:30] <reiki> is there an app that lets us configure services? I mean... what if I don't NEED RAID services running...or bluetooth... but I want an ftp service running... things like that
[02:30] <ian> will that be a problem?
[02:30] <salutis1> Ky0tIk, yes
[02:30] <BiSK-8> and another prob, how can i disinstall the calculator?
[02:30] <yonil> did anyone manage to install handbrake on ubuntu ? i just can't !
[02:30] <cjhcjhcjh> ian, it works fine downloading the whole thing from the net, but will take a while depending on your connection
[02:30] <ian> ok...
[02:31] <katzor> reiki, its called bum
[02:31] <ian> got 30MB broadband so not too long hopefully!
[02:31] <katzor> reiki, should be in the repos
[02:31] <cjhcjhcjh> ian and save a lot of hassle by freeing up partition space before you start (partition magic or similar)
[02:31] <reiki> katzor, thanks... hmmm... I though I had installed that....
[02:31] <ian> hmm
[02:31] <ian> I only have 1 partition...
[02:32] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i removed your repo from sources.list, then ran apt-get update, but I get the ff error about signatures: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3077
[02:32] <_Temujin> How do you list all the files installed by a package?
[02:32] <cjhcjhcjh> ian do you plan to wipe 98 or do you want both?
[02:32] <ian> wipe 98
[02:32] <reiki> katzor, doh!  Boot-Up Manager.... it's installed... I am old :)
[02:32] <katzor> lol
[02:32] <BiSK-8> can any1 paste me their sources.list in pvt?
[02:32] <bozzu> i think i got a problem with apt-get. i can't install serpentine because of an error with python-gnome2-extra and i noticed that ubuntu-desktop is not installed (for the same python error) is there something i can do?
[02:32] <cjhcjhcjh> ian ok go for it, with all the usual caveats about if it screws up you wont be able to boot etc
[02:32] <intelikey> _Temujin: apt-cache show <blah>  i think
[02:33] <ian> ok thanks, really appreciate your help.
[02:33] <cjhcjhcjh> ian np good luck
[02:33] <salutis1> in my gnome is a gaim tray icon, and i want a keyboard shortcut to open my buddy list
[02:33] <ian> Trying now will let you know how it goes.
[02:33] <JDigital> Hey, I only have 134MB free on root
[02:33] <JDigital> Is this enough temporary space to upgrade to breezy?
[02:33] <_Temujin> nope.  show only shows package details.
[02:33] <apokryphos> JDigital: no
[02:33] <apokryphos> JDigital: do a sudo apt-get clean ..see if that frees up a lot of space.
[02:34] <katzor> maybe if he deletes hsi old /apt/cache?
[02:34] <intelikey> _Temujin: man apt-cache
[02:34] <JDigital> I now have 161MB.
[02:34] <redguy|work> _Temujin: try apt-file list <package>
[02:34] <JDigital> Hehe, kinda regretting not buying that 300 gig drive now
[02:34] <intelikey> hmmm /me takes notes...
[02:35] <apokryphos> JDigital: it's not close to enough I'm afraid :/
[02:35] <yonil> Q: What application can i use to rip DVD's under ubuntu ? (i've heard of handbrake but i can't compile it from some reason ..)
[02:35] <_Temujin> apt-file:  command not found
[02:35] <JDigital> How much do you recommend?
[02:35] <dooglus> JDigital: do you have space on a different partition that you can write to in linux?
[02:35] <jussi_> how you can mount usb memory stick in ubuntu?
[02:36] <danst> hey friends of linux!  I have an 80GB partitioned 4GB to Linux, half a gig swap and the rest to my stuff I never use but won't delete. The other drive is 100GB anime and 10GB windows install which doesn't work.
[02:38] <Knorrie_> what does 'configure a multiseat system' actually do at the install menu? it seems to do nothing
[02:38] <dooglus> JDigital: if you manage to make some space somewhere that's not / , you can put a symlink in /var/cache/apt/archives to somewhere on the partition with space.
[02:38] <dooglus> ('cos that's where the space gets used, mostly)
[02:38] <intelikey> redguy|work: isn't there also a dpkg line for that ?
[02:38] <Artemis3> that stuff can be put in a hd stored away
[02:38] <JDigital> What's a tidy way of going dualboot?
[02:39] <redguy|work> intelikey: propably, wanna dig man dpkg ?
[02:39] <katzor> Knorrie, its supposed to set ur box up if you have multiple graphic card/mouse/keyboard pairs
[02:39] <intelikey> na i'm on mdk redguy|work, but just figured there was.
[02:40] <lop> hi to all
[02:40] <Knorrie_> katzor: didnt know that was possible :? more keyboards at one pc
[02:40] <reiki> JDigital: if you're going to shut down to reboot anyways... go on eBay and get a DataPort cage and carriers. (swappable hard drives)
[02:40] <reiki> :)
[02:40] <reiki> VERY tidy
[02:40] <redguy|work> intelikey: not much digging, /me being lazy... dpkg -L <package>; but this lists only packages installed on your system
[02:40] <JDigital> mmm.
[02:40] <Thandurif> jdigital: Resize your windows partition and then install ubuntu - thats all there is to it
[02:40] <katzor> Knorrie, thats the cool thing about linux :-) i dont know of it works properly yet
[02:40] <intelikey> k
[02:40] <Artemis3> and sata allows hot swapping too
[02:41] <JDigital> I already have my Ubuntu installed though. That's the 4GB partition of the 80GB drive.
[02:41] <ian> ian
[02:41] <JDigital> JDigital
[02:41] <reiki> JDigital, I got a cage and 2 carriers for %5.50 US... they normally (new) are like $40 for the carriers and $120 for the cage
[02:41] <Knorrie_> katzor: then because I havent got more than 1 mouse here is why it seems the menu options does do nothing
[02:41] <redguy|work> intelikey: erm, s/only packages/only files belonging to packages/
[02:41] <rob^> !dualboot
[02:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[02:41] <Artemis3> plastic?
[02:41] <ian> cjhcjhcjh...?
[02:41] <katzor> Knorrie, yup
[02:41] <jussi_> is see my USB stick in lsusb, but where i can acces it
[02:41] <wezzer> has someone managed to get beagle's search-gui "best" to run?
[02:41] <ian> you still around buddy?
[02:42] <rob^> wezzer, yes
[02:42] <JDigital> I hear there's a thing that lets Windows read/write to Linux filesystem; how well does that work?
[02:42] <lop> does anyone can name me a package to install to get ATi drivers ?
[02:42] <rob^> !ati
[02:42] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[02:42] <thoreauputic> !ati
[02:42] <rob^> why do people add crap to the bot?
[02:43] <lop> thanks ubotu
[02:43] <intelikey> !usb
[02:43] <ubotu> intelikey: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:43] <Artemis3> i need the bot manual
[02:43] <apokryphos> intelikey: best to investigate in /msg
[02:43] <sedeki> rob^ crap?
[02:43] <apokryphos> Artemis3: /msg ubotu help
[02:43] <rob^> !factiods
[02:43] <ubotu> rob^: I haven't a clue
[02:43] <rob^> !factroids
[02:43] <ubotu> rob^: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:43] <rob^> grr
[02:43] <JDigital> !factoids
[02:43] <ubotu> I guess factoids is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:43] <rApJtR> !what is it?
[02:43] <ubotu> rApJtR: I think you lost me on that one
[02:44] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: or sudo apt-get install blootbot && man blootbot I guess :)
[02:44] <rob^> thats it
[02:44] <jussi_> !usb
[02:44] <ubotu> Not a clue, jussi_
[02:44] <rob^> but someone edited that one too
[02:44] <rApJtR> !funny
[02:44] <ubotu> rApJtR: Are you smoking crack?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> !botabuse
[02:44] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[02:44] <reiki> stop playing with the bot
[02:44] <Artemis3> uh oh, the bot adds anything said here? ouch
[02:44] <apokryphos> Artemis3: not anything said here; anything you specifically tell it to have
[02:45] <bloodnik> How do I set up my DNS servers from command line?
[02:45] <noodle> i just installed nvidia and my refresh rate is 60Hz how do i set it higher? in "Screen Resolution" preference it's only 60Hz max??
[02:46] <JDigital> I had that problem too
[02:46] <JDigital> I don't know how I fixed it
[02:46] <lukas_> trying to install realplayer and I only get: ./hxplay-<IP_ADDRESS>8-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:46] <noodle> :(
[02:46] <lukas_> can anyone help
[02:46] <JDigital> Are you using the official drivers from the website?
[02:46] <Seveas> bloodnik, vim /etc/resolv.conf
[02:46] <noodle> nope
[02:46] <nasenatmer> hui boo :)
[02:46] <JDigital> Use those then.
[02:46] <intelikey> noodle: you can "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg "
[02:46] <noodle> i installed nvidia-glx like on the wiki page
[02:47] <noodle> intelikey: ok..
[02:47] <nasenatmer> Hello, got a short question to one of the Linux basic commands
[02:47] <JDigital> what about it
[02:47] <nasenatmer> How can I change back from root to my account in the shell?
[02:47] <intelikey> su - <user>
[02:47] <dooglus> exit
[02:47] <nasenatmer> aaah *doh*
[02:48] <variant> intelikey: thats not quite how
[02:48] <nasenatmer> too easy
[02:48] <variant> nasenatmer: type CTRL D
[02:48] <dooglus> be careful not to type two control-ds
[02:48] <variant> nasenatmer: CTRL D is the same as typing exit
[02:48] <JDigital> nintendo-ds
[02:48] <thoreauputic> heheh :)
[02:48] <noodle> intelikey: do i want to enable kernel framebuffer?
[02:48] <variant> nasenatmer: also logout.. same thing
[02:48] <nasenatmer> ah ok
[02:48] <variant> the command "logout"
[02:48] <intelikey> noodle: sure
[02:49] <nasenatmer> i'll try it instantly :)
[02:49] <variant> nasenatmer: do so! :P
[02:49] <nasenatmer> Thx for the fast help :)
[02:49] <thoreauputic> variant: logout only works in login shells
[02:49] <variant> thoreauputic: oops, so id does
[02:49] <JDigital> I wonder what's using all this space in my homedir
[02:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:49] <thoreauputic> JDigital: type du -h to see
[02:50] <variant> thoreauputic: in that case it would allow him to log out of his root shell that he used su to get into :)
[02:50] <nasenatmer> and, 2nd question, is there any difference between, terminal, shell, bash or MidNightcommander?
[02:50] <Artemis3> oh
[02:50] <thoreauputic> variant: no I doubt it - althoug I haven't tried...
[02:50] <variant> nasenatmer: midnight commander is a file manager
[02:50] <Artemis3> midnight commander is a file manager ^^'
[02:50] <intelikey> thoreauputic: JDigital use du / -h --max-depth=1
[02:50] <variant> thoreauputic: a su'd login is a login shell
[02:51] <wezzer> beagle's search tool best crashes when I try to run it
[02:51] <wezzer> any ideas?
[02:51] <bloodnik> cheers sev, that solved all my woes :D
[02:51] <thoreauputic> variant: yep you are right :)
[02:51] <nasenatmer> ah *g* ok I understand...
[02:51] <nasenatmer> I think I mixed sthing up...
[02:51] <thoreauputic> variant: I didn't know that worked!
[02:51] <thoreauputic> :D
[02:52] <variant> isint that a mIrc default slap? :o
[02:52] <gremid> hi, after upgrading from hoary to breezy, the new graphical boot progress screen does not show up; just the screen resolution changes. can anybody help?
[02:52] <JDigital> Is there a way to sort the results of du by size?
[02:52] <thoreauputic> variant: nope, it's mine :)
[02:52] <intelikey> nasenatmer: terminal=command line access  for a gui    shell=command interureter    midnight commander=cli file manager app.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> variant: and I've never used mirc :P
[02:53] <variant> thoreauputic: very glad to hear!
[02:53] <frickel> Can some help me? Firefox don't shows fonts in case it has to open a java applet...
[02:53] <tata> #mojokerto
[02:53] <JDigital> Ahaha, 183MB of .thumbnails
[02:53] <variant> JDigital: at a rough guess i would say du -h | sort -g
[02:54] <zyph> i'm having problems installing
[02:54] <sedeki> JDigital i hope you get paid for watching all that porn.
[02:54] <variant> JDigital: at a rough guess i would say du -h | sort -n i mean
[02:54] <tata> #jombang
[02:54] <zyph> i tried apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:55] <zyph> running breezy 5.04
[02:55] <apokryphos> breezy is 5.10
[02:55] <zukero> breezy = 5.10
[02:55] <zyph> it downloaded all the packages but won't install them
[02:55] <zukero> 5.04 = hoary
[02:55] <zyph> oh ok
[02:55] <apokryphos> zyph: for the guide on installing, see /topic
[02:55] <zyph> well i'm running the breezy test
[02:55] <zyph> i know i've looked at that guide
[02:55] <variant> JDigital: "du -h | sort -n" works very well
[02:55] <zyph> that's not the problem i'm having
[02:56] <variant> JDigital: you can | that too less for nice readable output
[02:56] <JDigital> It sorts "800MB" above "801K" though
[02:56] <zukero> if you are allready running breezy
[02:56] <FliesLikeABrick> ah, so nice that i finally have the ATI 3d drivers running on my laptop
[02:56] <zukero> no need for dist-upgrade
[02:56] <foxgamer> How cool is this Xfce desktop?
[02:56] <JDigital> I can leave off the -h but then it's not human-readable
[02:56] <zukero> use apt-get update
[02:56] <zyph> ok well i tried to upgrade my packages
[02:56] <nasenatmer> Thanks for your help, im going giving blood to the red cross! :)
[02:56] <nasenatmer> Cu!
[02:56] <zyph> did that like 10 times zukero
[02:56] <variant> JDigital: yes, you can put -H to use SI units instead too
[02:57] <zyph> it apt-get's the packages but won't install them
[02:57] <zukero> hmm
[02:57] <zyph> so if i did slocate newpackage
[02:57] <zyph> i'd have the newpackage.deb
[02:57] <thoreauputic> zyph: paste the errors on the pastebin - see topic
[02:57] <intelikey> slocate uses a database  it must be updated
[02:57] <intelikey> updatedb
[02:58] <zyph> slocate -u
[02:58] <zyph> i know intelikey
[02:58] <intelikey> k
[02:58] <zyph> updatedb is deprecated i think
[02:59] <intelikey> probably is
[02:59] <linkrjh>  Where would I go to ask questions about a dependency issue I am having?
[02:59] <linkrjh> I'm at loss.
[02:59] <bigfoot1> i have oo.o 1 and oo.o2 how do i remove everything that's got to do with oo.o1 (while keeping everything needed for oo.o2)?
[02:59] <zyph> yeah i had that prob in slack 10 with updatedb
[02:59] <foxgamer> Has anyone been having problems with Pype?
[02:59] <zyph> found out it was slocate -u now
[03:00] <variant> anyone know a command for coloring command output? kind of like pinfo but for generall output instead of man/info pages
[03:00] <intelikey> bigfoot1: maybe apt-get remove <blah>
[03:00] <Trackilizer> Why is VLC giving me errors about not found fonts.
[03:01] <intelikey> variant: how simple you looking for ?
[03:01] <Trackilizer> Worked fine untill 10 mins ago.
[03:01] <reiki> I should get going. I have a wedding to do this afternoon
[03:01] <variant> intelikey: ultra
[03:01] <zyph> what's a pastebin?
[03:01] <variant> zyph: pastebin.ocm
[03:01] <variant> zyph: pastebin.com
[03:01] <thoreauputic> !paste
[03:01] <ubotu> I heard paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:01] <intelikey> echo "$(printf "\033$( <your command here> )" ;printf "\033")"
[03:02] <variant> intelikey: hmm, nice!
[03:02] <occy> libssl0.9.7 was awaiting me this morning.
[03:02] <occy> heh
[03:02] <occy> the first new package of the Breezy era.
[03:02] <bytefoo> me too :L|
[03:02] <occy> :)
[03:02] <bytefoo> oh i had other new packages yesterday :/.
[03:02] <dooglus> occy: nice way to start Breezy, eh?  with an ssl hole :)
[03:03] <occy> dooglus, could have been worse to not have the bug fixed
[03:03] <linkrjh> Are there any channels dedicated to help?
[03:03] <bytefoo> this channel :|
[03:03] <variant> intelikey: echo "$(printf "\033$( df -h )" ;printf "\033")"
[03:03] <variant> bash: printf: `M': invalid format character
[03:03] <dooglus> occy: it wasn't fixed until after the image was frozen.  it'll be in all breezy cds
[03:03] <linkrjh> Hmm
[03:03] <linkrjh> That's no good
[03:03] <intelikey> variant: the    part is the color control
[03:03] <bytefoo> ;[
[03:04] <intelikey> you can use  1;3<0-9>
[03:04] <occy> dooglus, yeah, no worries here.  That's why God created apt-get update
[03:04] <occy> err
[03:04] <occy> and apt-get upgrade
[03:04] <occy> heh
[03:04] <bytefoo> god didnt create that
[03:04] <variant> intelikey: doesnt work mate.. i gotta go out now anyway.. i will look at it later. thanks
[03:04] <bytefoo> :O
[03:05] <occy> bytefoo, sure he(she?) did
[03:05] <occy> heh
[03:05] <dooglus> occy: that's ok if you're online.  but what if you're not online?  you're going to be open to a man-in-the-middl - uh, just a minute :)
[03:05] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is everyone else still getting errors when trying to add the Univers and Multiverse repositories in Breezy?
[03:05] <occy> dooglus, if you aren't online... I doubt you would need to worry about a man in the middle attack.
[03:05] <occy> heh
[03:06] <occy> but anyway
[03:06] <stimpie> I installing ubuntu and it asks to use "lvm" should I use that?
[03:06] <occy> peace
[03:06] <aftertaf> stimpie:  do you have logical volumes (dynamic disks in zondope)?
[03:06] <dooglus> occy: that was the "uh, wait a minute" bit :)
[03:06] <stimpie> aftertaf, the disk is empty
[03:06] <bytefoo> zondop? o_O
[03:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is everyone else still getting errors when trying to add the Universe and Multiverse repositories in Breezy?
[03:07] <intelikey> ah yea variant it only works for one line of text    for multi line it will take more code.
[03:07] <Knorrie_> Carpe_Libertatem: no
[03:07] <thoreauputic> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about repeat
[03:07] <Rev-Marc> is there a good download accelerator that works in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> thoreauputic, people don't always see the question. :-P
[03:08] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: 5 minutes is a reasonable interval
[03:08] <jussi_> Ubuntu finds my usb stick, but how I can read/edit files?
[03:08] <utnubu> has anyone managed to install breezy with an ecs k7s5a?
[03:09] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok - I get an error when trying to update my repositories to include Universe and Multiverse.  I have hal or hotplug errors
[03:10] <aftertaf> utnubu:  do you have any usb devices plugged in?
[03:10] <variant> dooglus: that worked.. excelent thank you
[03:10] <aftertaf> utnubu:  otherwise, i didnt actually DO anything.. it Just Worked (tm)
[03:11] <utnubu> aftertaf: no, some cables of cams, but without having attached them
[03:11] <Rev-Marc> is there a good download accelerator that works in Ubuntu?
[03:12] <fc9k> hmmmm
[03:12] <aftertaf> utnubu:  weird. does it boot ok otherwise?
[03:12] <bigfoot1> is it safe to remove all the stuff listed in synaptic/status/"Not Installed (residual config)"?
[03:12] <fc9k> anyone fancy giving me  abit of advice?
[03:12] <utnubu> aftertaf: would it be possible to make screenshots of your bios defaults for comparing them with mine? which bios have you installed?
[03:12] <foxgamer> fc9k: Ask and if someone knows the answer they will :)
[03:12] <ht> Rev-Marc:wget, int console
[03:12] <fc9k> ok
[03:13] <fc9k> well basically i'm about to dive into the linux world
[03:13] <utnubu> aftertaf: no, no boot possible, only with hotplug disabled
[03:13] <Rev-Marc> ht thanks
[03:13] <thirso> fc9k: gl
[03:13] <thirso> you'll need it
[03:13] <fc9k> i've got all my stuff backed up, and i'm about to reformat everything and install xp and then breezy
[03:13] <fc9k> and i'm not sure what the best way of partitioning stuff is, given that i've got 2 200gb HDDs
[03:14] <fc9k> i'd ideally like to be able to access all my music/videos/files etc from both OS's
[03:14] <Puky> Hey people! Does anybody know does Ubuntu have support for Ericsson hm220d adsl modem? I haven't found anything on linuxquetions...
[03:14] <thirso> linux can access fat and ntfs
[03:14] <fc9k> right
[03:14] <thirso> windows cant access shit
[03:15] <fc9k> i've been told to create 3 linux partitions: /, swap and /home
[03:15] <thoreauputic> fc9k: good advice
[03:15] <Chousuke> Linux can access 294827+n different filesystems.
[03:15] <ht> ubuntu auto mount your all ntfs and fat partition at starup.
[03:15] <fc9k> and then maybe another one in fat32 for both os's
[03:15] <decaf> help please, I really need a working AltGr key.
[03:15] <Chousuke> Windows knows maybe three or four
[03:15] <aftertaf> utnubu:  weird..... unplug the cables.   leave just mouse & keyb.
[03:15] <fc9k> ok
[03:15] <intelikey> fc9k: an fat32 partition would be good for read/write access from either
[03:15] <JDigital> Ahh. Freed up half a gig!
[03:15] <thirso> ht: it didnt mount here, is my ubuntu fooked up/?
[03:15] <ht> access it use path /media/hdax
[03:15] <foxgamer> fc9k: For a quick look at partitioning, have a look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/
[03:16] <JDigital> Is 491MB enough temp space to upgrade Hoary to Breezy?
[03:16] <fc9k> cheers
[03:16] <utnubu> aftertaf: ok, I'll try it now
[03:16] <ht> my ubuntu version: 5.10, what about you?
[03:16] <thirso> 5.10
[03:16] <thirso> neway im burning breezy now
[03:16] <Chousuke> JDigital: depends.
[03:16] <aftertaf> JDigital:  maybe, but empty apt cache first maybe
[03:16] <JDigital> I did
[03:16] <foxgamer> shiny and new :D
[03:16] <Puky> Does anybody know does Ubuntu have support for Ericsson hm220d adsl modem? Please help...
[03:16] <ht> thirso:me to.
[03:16] <aftertaf> JDigital:  you should make some space, you CAN live without porn you know ;)
[03:17] <thirso> so whats the point of creating a /home partition ?
[03:17] <JDigital> Pff.  The realtek cards should work on any OS.
[03:18] <Puky> aftertaf you have that modem?
[03:18] <bronson> JDigital: run "apt-get clean" of course.
[03:18] <thirso> fuck encore ><
[03:18] <ht> thirso: What chip?
[03:18] <aftertaf> JDigital:  mount root readonly, you can make it bigger.
[03:18] <thirso> Encore ENL832-TX-ICNT
[03:18] <aftertaf> Puky:  nope, the NIC
[03:18] <JDigital> I thought you needed PartitionMagic to increase the size of a partition without deleting the contents
[03:18] <TFP> how can i know, if a certain process is running?
[03:18] <aftertaf> lol ThomasM
[03:18] <JDigital> I ran apt-get clean already.
[03:18] <aftertaf> TFP:  PS -a | grep process
[03:19] <ht> thirso:what chip about your netcard.
[03:19] <aftertaf> or top
[03:19] <TFP> thx
[03:19] <aftertaf> ;)
[03:19] <bronson> JDigital: gparted will resize.
[03:19] <Puky> aftertaf so that modem should work, because i'd buy it but don't want to waste my money
[03:19] <JDigital> Spiffy.
[03:19] <thirso> ht: theres a E on it so i guess its encore
[03:19] <intelikey> thirso: if for want ever reason you ever need or want to completely redo your system all the stuff in /home can be safe there if it is a partition.   if it is just a subdir it is scraped with the rest of the system.   also if you have a major fs error that affects /home it wont hit the system....
[03:19] <bronson> You'll probably have to boot from a live CD because obviously it won't resize the boot partition.
[03:19] <TFP> aftertaf: thx
[03:19] <aftertaf> TFP:  no pbs ;:)
[03:20] <thirso> an E*
[03:20] <thirso> http://www.encore-usa.com/Drivers/ENL832-TX-ICNT_Drivers.zip
[03:20] <ht> thirso:I am looking for the device table of 5.10
[03:20] <thirso> thats the driver im trying to compile
[03:20] <thirso> ubuntu didnt detect it at all
[03:21] <Chousuke> Puky: if it has a network socket, it will not require any drivers.
[03:21] <Puky> network socket?
[03:21] <Puky> ethernet socket?
[03:21] <Chousuke> yes. :P
[03:21] <Chousuke> USB modems need drivers.
[03:21] <Puky> sorry :(
[03:21] <Puky> that's great
[03:21] <Chousuke> but ones with RJ45 don't. :)
[03:21] <Puky> rj45? (i really am a n00b :()
[03:21] <ht> ah, mail to the ubuntu.com :D
[03:21] <Chousuke> ethernet
[03:21] <JDigital> What happens if my Linux is on one drive but my /home/ is on another?
[03:21] <Puky> oh...
[03:22] <FliesLikeABrick> JDigital,  what do you mean "what happens?"
[03:22] <Chousuke> Puky: it should work :)
[03:22] <thirso> i need my ethernet card to work on linux or i cant access internet which makes linux useless for me :(
[03:22] <JDigital> oh
[03:22] <FliesLikeABrick> Puky,  rj45 = network cable
[03:22] <JDigital> I forgot to finish my sentence, heh
[03:22] <Chousuke> thirso: which chip?
[03:22] <Puky> chousuke: Thanks!
[03:22] <JDigital> What happens if my Linux is on one drive but my /home/ is on another, and my /home/ drive dies?
[03:22] <thirso> Chousuke: Encore
[03:22] <Trackilizer> Is it only me, or is updating really slow at the moment, I'm getting 25KB/s on a 3Mbit connection.
[03:22] <FliesLikeABrick> thirso,  what kind of network card?
[03:22] <Puky> JDigital
[03:22] <FliesLikeABrick> Trackilizer,  look at the topic
[03:22] <Proteque> JDigital: you loose your homedirs
[03:22] <Trackilizer> I see.
[03:23] <Chousuke> thirso: If you answered me, I missed it.
[03:23] <JDigital> But does Ubuntu rely on those for anything
[03:23] <Puky> Jdigital: nothing should happen it's like  a C: and E: drive on win, you have the system on one polace and documents on other
[03:23] <Trackilizer> I just didn't think it would be this slow.
[03:23] <Proteque> JDigital: nope
[03:23] <thirso> Chousuke: Encore ENL832-TX-ICNT , Ubuntu doesnt detect it.I get this error http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2979/screenshot29do.png when i try to compile this driver http://www.encore-usa.com/Drivers/ENL832-TX-ICNT_Drivers.zip
[03:23] <Chousuke> or is that Encore the chip? :P
[03:23] <Chousuke> duh
[03:23] <Chousuke> ok.
[03:23] <Chousuke> :D
[03:23] <JDigital> I mean all the settings for like the software in ~/.wine and ~/.evolution and so on
[03:23] <Puky> Jdigital: so?
[03:24] <FliesLikeABrick> JDigital,  as long as you have those /home files on that drive mounted at /home, it will act just as if it was a normal folder in / named home
[03:24] <thirso> ive posted it in 3 forums no anwers heh
[03:24] <Chousuke> thirso: you need linux-headers or linux-source
[03:24] <JDigital> What if /home/ is FAT32?
[03:24] <Chousuke> thirso: also, see if the drivers have a ./configure script.
[03:24] <JDigital> Does this cause any problems, other than file transfers complaining that they can't set the date?
[03:24] <Puky> Jdigital: i think you can't do that
[03:24] <FliesLikeABrick> JDigital,  i believe that FAT32 is read/write on linux, but i could be wrong
[03:24] <JDigital> FAT32 is
[03:24] <thoreauputic> JDigital: fat 32 doesn't know about unix permissions
[03:24] <FliesLikeABrick> if it is read/write, then it would work normally, just as if it was ext3
[03:24] <FliesLikeABrick> right, forgot about that thoreauputic
[03:25] <thoreauputic> JDigital: using fat 32 as home makes no sense
[03:25] <Proteque> JDigital: no problem.
[03:25] <thirso> Chousuke: the drivers files are Makefile,sundance.main.c and a bunch of .h
[03:25] <Proteque> thoreauputic: if he shares it with windows?
[03:25] <JDigital> Proteque is correct
[03:25] <Proteque> but better to install a ext-driver for windows
[03:25] <Chousuke> thirso: anyway, you need header files for your kernel.
[03:25] <fc9k> with 2 200gb discs, would it be a good idea to keep one windows only and the other linux?
[03:25] <JDigital> I want to have Windows able to access my music/porn/etc
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Proteque: you make a separate partition for that
[03:25] <thirso> Chousuke: i did apt-get
[03:25] <JDigital> Currently I just have my stuff symlinked
[03:26] <thirso> Chousuke: i got it
[03:26] <thoreauputic> JDigital: make a separate p0rn partition :)
[03:26] <thirso> still get the same error :/
[03:26] <MrManu> what is the matter about breezy-backports and extras?
[03:26] <Chousuke> thirso: you may need to edit the Makefile so it'll point to the right dir.
[03:26] <Chousuke> thirso: also, do you have linux-source
[03:26] <Chousuke> ?
[03:26] <JDigital> so that /home/ is in the same partition as /, but directories like "music" are symlinked to /mnt/myfat32harddrive/music/
[03:26] <thirso> Chousuke: hm i think i didnt apt-get it. ill try that
[03:26] <thirso> sucks to have to reboot to test it :/
[03:27] <Chousuke> not really.
[03:27] <thirso> yeah im on windows :/
[03:27] <fc9k> how big should i make /home and what is it used for?  anyone? :D
[03:27] <Chousuke> ah, duh.
[03:27] <fc9k> < newb
[03:27] <Trackilizer> Have you guys heard the latest version of the Linux show on the podcast network, the dude bashes Ubnutu and says i gives you as little choice as WinXP does.
[03:27] <JDigital> but it tends to happen that / drive gets filled with my homedir's hidden folders like like .evolution and .thumbnails
[03:27] <thirso> only have dsl and i need the ethernet for it
[03:27] <Chousuke> fc9k: it will contain all your personal files
[03:27] <Trackilizer> it*
[03:27] <fc9k> right
[03:28] <JDigital> What's he smoking? Ubuntu gives you far more choice. It's just too technical for the average user and doesn't come with anything near a decent newbies' manual.
[03:28] <MrManu> huh? backports?
[03:28] <thirso> Chousuke: is it linux-source-2.6.12-9 or just linux-source?
[03:28] <fc9k> Chousuke: so if i make /home say 40gb, then create a 160gb partition in fat32 for all my vids and music, and access that from both OSs, would that be ok?
[03:28] <JDigital> and software support in many important areas isn't as good, but that goes without saying for LInux
[03:28] <Chousuke> thirso: the former.
[03:28] <Trackilizer> Well, that's what he says, he was using Kanotix and changes to Ubuntu, he said it was the worst thing he ever did.
[03:28] <thirso> aight
[03:28] <JDigital> What's Kanotix
[03:29] <MrManu> fc9k and chousukethere is also an ext2/3 driver for winxp available
[03:29] <Chousuke> fc9k: yes. but do you need 40Gb in home then if all your big files are going to that FAT32 partition?
[03:29] <Trackilizer> fc9K, that's ok, that's what i do.
[03:29] <Chousuke> MrManu: yes.
[03:29] <JDigital> How well does the ext driver for Windows work?
[03:29] <MrManu> no permissoins, but read and write support as far as i know
[03:29] <cef> Trackilizer: people have opinions. ubuntu won't suit anyone. probably runs gentoo anyway *grin*
[03:29] <JDigital> and is it compatible with 2k
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Trackilizer: if sommeone thinks Ubuntu restricts them, they don't know enough - Ubuntu is just as configurable as Debian
[03:30] <cef> anyone = everyone even
[03:30] <cef> blah
[03:30] <_Temujin> vpnc rocks!
[03:30] <thoreauputic> or Kanotix for that matter
[03:30] <karolysas> how to uninstall default language??
[03:30] <_Temujin> !tell me about vpnc
[03:30] <karolysas> i cant refuse lithuanian letters...
[03:30] <JDigital> Wow, a person from Lithuania. Never seen one of those on the internet.
[03:30] <fc9k> wewt
[03:30] <MrManu> well configurable or not, why do the commented backports un breezy not work, there is no breezy-backports -.-
[03:30] <fc9k> so lets say 20gb for home
[03:31] <karolysas> isthat irc bot?
[03:31] <karolysas> lithuanian
[03:31] <cef> MrManu: cos as yet, there is nothing that isn't in dapper that isn't in breezy?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> MrManu: what is there to backport? breezy is only  a day old !
[03:31] <karolysas> he..
[03:31] <JDigital> hehe
[03:31] <MrManu> no sid, i meant backports like firefox 1.5 beta 2
[03:32] <JDigital> So how well does the ext2/3 driver work in Win2k? Anyone know?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> MrManu: you can get that from mozilla.org if you're desperately impatient
[03:32] <JDigital> If you can't compile your own software you don't deserve Firefox betas :)
[03:32] <MrManu> hmmm, i think i will use the hoary backports ^^
[03:32] <karolysas> so?? can anybody tell me how to fefuse my primary language coz i need english.. ?
[03:32] <bruder> JDigital, great for read-only use
[03:32] <thoreauputic> MrManu: give the developers a break, for haeven's sake
[03:33] <utnubu> aftertaf: weird, I took out the tekram scsi controller and now it works out of the box. strange, tekram never made me problems
[03:33] <bruder> JDigital, if you are brave you can turn on the read-write mode.
[03:33] <MrManu> jdigital why compile sth whar is already available as package? :)
[03:33] <JDigital> You have to compile your own, otherwise you aren't hardcore
[03:33] <thoreauputic> MrManu: stop whinging, please
[03:33] <cef> MrManu: is that in the hoary backports? you also realise that the backports stuff is done PURELY by the community, and not paid developers?
[03:34] <bruder> bleh. I've used to compile a lot of stuff, when I was a kid.
[03:34] <thoreauputic> OK all flames about the backports issue in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:34] <bruder> :p
[03:34] <cef> bruder: heh
[03:34] <MrManu> of course, just wondered why the backports deb http:..... didnt work ^^
[03:35] <cef> bruder: does that mean if you want to feel like a kid again, you'll start running gentoo? *grin*
[03:35] <bruder> cef, of course :p
[03:35] <BooZee> hello
[03:35] <BooZee> just upgraded to breezer
[03:36] <BooZee> have some problems with the networking
[03:36] <cius> did you do a dist-upgrade BooZee or a fresh install?
[03:36] <BooZee> fresh
[03:37] <cius> damn, I did a dist-upgrade last night from hoary to breezy and now I can't get some stuff from apt...not sure if they're related.
[03:37] <ian> Need some help with loadlin - any takers?
[03:37] <ian> trying to upgrade a lappy with no bootable devices.
[03:38] <BooZee> my networke is fucked up..
[03:38] <JDigital> check your network cable
[03:39] <bronson> cius: what can't you get?
[03:39] <fc9k> can i run my partitions past someone quickly to see if theyre ok?
[03:39] <spstarr_work> Congratulations on Breezy!
[03:39] <bronson> Yeah, Breezy is fantastic.
[03:39] <JDigital> I should probably sort out my stuff
[03:39] <spstarr_work> whens development begin on the next release? :)
[03:39] <bronson> I was real worried halfway through the mod-x upgrade.  :)
[03:40] <cjhcjhcjh> ian how did it go?
[03:40] <JDigital> 10GB for a Windows partition and 4GB for Linux isn't so good
[03:40] <thoreauputic> spstarr_work: when the developers sober up ;P
[03:40] <spstarr_work> hahaha
[03:40] <ian> cjhcjhcjh - not good my friend....
[03:40] <cius> bronson, I'm trying to get amule, but its tells me that some stuff "is not to be isntalled"
[03:40] <ian> still getting the same error...
[03:40] <echelon-h> hi
[03:40] <cjhcjhcjh> ian Mr Kernel Panic is in the house?
[03:41] <echelon-h> im running server 5.04, how can i upgrade to 5.10?
[03:41] <bronson> cius: usually if you try installing that stuff directly it'll give you more detail why it can't be installed.
[03:41] <KArhuton> How soon will there be a installation DVD available fro Breezy? All I could find was some rc tagged ones
[03:41] <bronson> Probably broken dependencies from Debian packages.
[03:41] <KArhuton> echelon-h: Look at topic
[03:41] <bronson> Usually easily resolved.
[03:41] <bronson> (using apt-cache search)
[03:41] <ian> cjhcjhcjh - he is, although the error is slightly differnet...
[03:41] <cius> bronoson, I'll try that, I appreciate the help
[03:41] <redguy|work> !tell echelon-h about upgrade
[03:41] <echelon-h> im using server = console only
[03:41] <echelon-h> is there a command to upgrade?
[03:41] <fc9k> DISK1: 15gb windows, 80gb windows apps etc, 25gb home, 15gb /, 0.5gb swap.  DISK2: 0.5gb swap, 199.5gb fat32 for music/films for both OSs
[03:42] <fc9k> does that look ok ^^^^?
[03:42] <cjhcjhcjh> ian error?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> !tell echelon-h about upgrade2breezy
[03:42] <dooglus> variant: I made some aliases to make it easier to use colors:
[03:42] <maswan> echelon-h: the upgrade guide in the topic has a section for apt-get
[03:42] <dooglus> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3079
[03:42] <ian> cjhcjhcjh - running command again to get exact errror
[03:42] <fc9k> anyone?
[03:42] <_Temujin> Is there still a need for a seperate /boot partition in the first Gig of the boot disk?
[03:42] <echelon-h> maswan: and can you enter web sites from console? answer is:
[03:42] <BooZee> anybody here has an XJ700T MAG screen?
[03:42] <KArhuton> fc9k: 199GB is too much for FAT32
[03:42] <cjhcjhcjh> ian you need to boot to DOS to run the loadlin - it doesnt work in a shell
[03:43] <fc9k> awww
[03:43] <_Temujin> yes
[03:43] <_Temujin> wget
[03:43] <fc9k> KArhuton: whats the biggest?
[03:43] <_Temujin> lynx
[03:43] <redguy|work> echelon-h: the answer is lynx
[03:43] <KArhuton> fc9k: You can use EXT3 for it, and "ext2fsd" driver in Windows for read-only access
[03:43] <maswan> echelon-h: lynx or links or w3m springs to mind as text-based web browsers
[03:43] <fc9k> nah i need to write from both ideally
[03:44] <fc9k> its gonna have all my music and as i'm a linux newb i'll probably do all my tag updating in windows to start with
[03:44] <jasp> fc9k: I have 250gig fat32 partition, no problem.
[03:44] <spstarr_work> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ yeah i dont see Dapper yet on there ;-)
[03:44] <TFP> how can i kill all mono processes at a time?
[03:44] <fc9k> :S
[03:44] <_Temujin> ech> wget is great for grabbing specific files from web
[03:44] <KArhuton> jasp, what does XP say on that?
[03:44] <fc9k> conflicting info here then
[03:44] <ian> cjhcjhcjh yup I restarted in DOS
[03:44] <fc9k> whats the biggest fat32 xp will deal with?
[03:44] <JDigital> KArhuton: Can't it do read-write?
[03:44] <KArhuton> jasp, there's supposed to be a 32GB limit on XP with it
[03:44] <xerox> Hi.
[03:44] <Ng> fc9k: only about 32bg
[03:44] <Ng> b<>g
[03:44] <fc9k> oh what
[03:44] <xerox> Are there mirrors of breezy images?
[03:44] <fc9k> thats retarted
[03:44] <Ng> no
[03:44] <jasp> works fine, every modern large external drive, is still FAT32 formatted
[03:44] <Ng> it's quite sane really
[03:44] <fc9k> well is there any way linux can write to ntfs?
[03:45] <ian> cjhcjhcjh - unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[03:45] <jasp> that's how you buy them in the store.
[03:45] <fc9k> ah thats true, i have a 250gb fat32 external drive here next to me
[03:45] <KArhuton> fc9k: MS enforced 32GB limit on FAT32 to urge people to upgrade to NTFS
[03:45] <fc9k> what is with that then
[03:45] <Ng> jasp: indeed, but xp won't format than 32gb
[03:45] <KArhuton> Atleast used to
[03:45] <spstarr_work> 'As usual, the "dapper" repository will be opened after the release of
[03:45] <spstarr_work> Breezy'
[03:45] <spstarr_work> =)
[03:45] <cjhcjhcjh> ian pls paste your loadlin line
[03:45] <ian> cjhcjhcjh - the first error I was getting was exactly the same, just a different numeric value at the end (1,8)
[03:45] <jasp> fc9k: I'm not sure if you need to dwap drives though,
[03:45] <ptlo> heya all. i'd like to configure vino to have access to my desktop remotely. but, currently i am remotely connected to my box (via ssh). can i change vino properties this way, or do i have to log in on console? i'm using breezy, if that helps
[03:45] <spstarr_work> the partying is over
[03:45] <FliesLikeABrick> how long can we expect before stuff starts showing up in breezy backports?
[03:45] <spstarr_work> :)
[03:45] <redguy|work> fc9k: try googling for captive to get good ntfs support in linux
[03:46] <fc9k> ok
[03:46] <fc9k> well for now then, i'll keep all my media on my USB drive
[03:46] <KArhuton> rc9k, I suggest you go with FAT32 then
[03:46] <fc9k> and leave the 200gb SATA drive blank until I work out how big i can get it
[03:46] <ian> cjhcjhcjh Kernek panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[03:46] <fc9k> KArhuton: so can i have a 199gb fat32 one then?  or not?
[03:47] <KArhuton> fc9k: Apparently XP just refuses to format a > 32 GB partition, but doesn't mind using one
[03:47] <fc9k> oh right
[03:47] <fc9k> how ghey
[03:47] <fc9k> oh well, thats fine by me :)
[03:47] <cef> KArhuton: correct
[03:48] <cjhcjhcjh> ian pls paste your loadlin line
[03:48] <fc9k> any last minute advice for me then before i wipe everything?
[03:48] <KArhuton> fc9k, how much ram do you have?
[03:48] <fc9k> 1gb
[03:48] <TvM> how can i solve these problem?? http://pastebin.com/392652 . the drive is empty...
[03:48] <KArhuton> fc9k, do you do some audio / video editing?
[03:48] <fc9k> i reckoned 1gb swap split over 2 drives would maybe be best
[03:48] <ian> cjhcjhcjh - not sure what you mean, sorry. You want the exact error msg?
[03:48] <fc9k> not yet, planning to do some audio stuff though
[03:49] <KArhuton> fc9k, my system's "free -m" says: Mem:          1012       1002          9
[03:49] <cef> fc9k: splitting it over 2 drives will work well
[03:49] <KArhuton> Swap:            0          0          0
[03:49] <fc9k> but i've got more hdd space than i need so i dont mind losing half a gig if its not used
[03:49] <fc9k> blimey
[03:49] <fc9k> you think i've got too much?
[03:49] <KArhuton> fc9k, I don't have any swap
[03:49] <KArhuton> 1GB ram
[03:49] <cjhcjhcjh> ian no, what line were you typing in to start the install...ie loadlin linux initrd-=....etc
[03:49] <fc9k> oh and btw, is it easy to set up these partitions in the installer
[03:49] <fc9k> blimey
[03:49] <ian> cjhcjhcjh oh sorry
[03:50] <thoreauputic> fc9k: it won't do any harm, but 500MB is probably enough (in case of emergencies)
[03:50] <Ng> fc9k: the kernel is tuned to expect twice as much swap as ram, although with 1gb ram it's unlikely you'll ever need the 2gb of swap. you do want some swap though
[03:50] <Ng> KArhuton: why not?
[03:50] <fc9k> ok
[03:50] <KArhuton> And I'm runing a win2k in vmware (128mb reserved, atleast), surf with firefox, compile, watch DVDs..
[03:50] <KArhuton> Ng, I don't need it?
[03:50] <cef> fc9k: unless you intend to suspend to disk using swap, then it's unlikely you'll need much swap (if any) if you have a gig.. depends on what you do though
[03:50] <fc9k> right
[03:50] <Ng> KArhuton: having some swap can be very useful, even if you don't ever use most of your ram
[03:50] <KArhuton> fc9k, You can use a swapfile if you need swap
[03:50] <TvM> how can help me? i get that msg every 2 s
[03:51] <fc9k> well i'll keep it at a gig to be safe, i dont want to juggle partitions later in the day
[03:51] <TvM> how can i solve these problem?? http://pastebin.com/392652 . the drive is empty...
[03:51] <ian> cjhcjhcjh loadlin linux initrd=initrd.gz root=/dev/rd/0 rw --
[03:51] <HCl> hmmmm...
[03:51] <KArhuton> Ng, please explain
[03:51] <ian> cjhcjhcjh I also tried your suggestion but that didnt work either
[03:51] <fc9k> so is this ok?
[03:51] <HCl> assuming that my eventual window manager will be enlightenment, which should i start with, ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[03:51] <KArhuton> fc9k, you don't need swap parititons
[03:51] <fc9k> hmmm
[03:51] <fc9k> ok
[03:51] <KArhuton> fc9k, you can make a swapfile incase you need it
[03:51] <JDigital> Swap partitions are a good idea
[03:51] <cjhcjhcjh> ian try loadlin linux initrd=initrd.gz root=/dev/ram rw
[03:51] <kemcco> ubuntu
[03:51] <thoreauputic> HCl: ubuntu probably
[03:51] <HCl> okay, thanks
[03:52] <fc9k> aside from then though, anything else wrong with that setup?
[03:52] <ian> cjhcjhcjh tried that but will give it another shot
[03:52] <HCl> yea, i was sort of wondering cause kde tends to be more userfriendly, but gnome works better combined with enlightenment..
[03:52] <cjhcjhcjh> ian it worked for me...
[03:52] <Ng> KArhuton: if you have some memory that is allocated, but hasn't been accessed for days (e.g. the memory relating to the programs running since bootup), the kernel can shunt that off to disk and free up some real ram, which is good because it can use that for buffers, so your system will be smoother :)
[03:53] <ProN00b> awmygod, on k3b my buffer status just jumps arround when burning a cd *_* and the average overall speed is like half of my burners speed
[03:53] <KArhuton> Ng, are you talking about cache?
[03:53] <ProN00b> is that normal ?
[03:53] <jasp> fc9k: why have a seperate partition for windows programs?
[03:53] <Howdy125> fc9k .. if you just need to move some files from an ntfs to a linux partition the linspire live cd may work for that ...
[03:53] <ian> cjhcjhcjh some error boss...
[03:53] <Ng> KArhuton: pretty much, yeah
[03:53] <ian> cjhcjhcjh same
[03:53] <cef> if you've got enough ram, then swap becomes a personal preference.. and to me, that preference depends entirely on what I intend to do with the machine. if I intend to do anything intensive (eg: graphics), I add swap every time, cos the last thing I want is to lose something I'm editing cos I've run out of ram
[03:54] <KArhuton> Ng, I have 641MB of my ram cached
[03:54] <sally_> when I go to add applications and search for apt, the package apt-listchanges doesn't show up, but from a console I can do sudo apt-get install apt-listchanges and it is downloaded and installed.  Why doesn't apt-listchanges show up in "add applications"
[03:54] <agent_> does anyone know the config file/place to edit eth0, eth1, etc. name entries? that is, where one can manually delete these?
[03:54] <cjhcjhcjh> ian 1 sec...checking something
[03:54] <KArhuton> Ng, If some of my apps need unusually large amount of ram, it'll use the space from that cache
[03:54] <sedeki> how can i change encoding from utf8?
[03:54] <Ng> KArhuton: I have nearer 750mb of cache and a little bit of swap used, but only 260mb of ram actually allocated to apps
[03:54] <jasp> fc9k:if you re-install windows, you have to re-install the program files anyway..
[03:54] <Ng> KArhuton: indeed, so having more cache space is good :)
[03:55] <ian> cjhcjhcjh anything I cant tell you about my lappy to help you out?
[03:55] <fc9k> yeah
[03:55] <KArhuton> Ng, reloading the cached files isn't much slower than reading it from swap
[03:55] <fc9k> i dunno really, reckon i'd be better sticking all windows progs/games etc on th same partition as windows?
[03:55] <dataw0lf> n
[03:55] <fc9k> certainly would make stuff seasier
[03:55] <Ng> KArhuton: I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying, it doesn't matter and isn't relevant here.
[03:55] <thoreauputic> sally_: becuse if all the apps available were there, you would have 17 000 choices :)
[03:56] <TvM> how can i solve these problem?? i get these msg every 2 s http://pastebin.com/392652 . the drive is empty...
[03:56] <thoreauputic> sally_: everything shows in synaptic package manager though
[03:56] <Chousuke> I wonder if there is a computer that could run all 17k apps offered by Debian at the same time.
[03:56] <fc9k> jasp: reckon i'd be better sticking all windows progs/games etc on th same partition as windows?
[03:56] <KArhuton> Ng, what 'buffers' are you talking about?
[03:56] <JDigital> I bet a beowulf cluster could do it
[03:56] <Chousuke> :o
[03:56] <cef> Chousuke: not all 17k of them are installable at once, due to conflicts
[03:57] <Chousuke> ah, that's true.
[03:57] <ian> cjhcjhcjh What about the possibility of copying the iso image to a partition and booting to that some how?
[03:57] <jasp> fc9k: yeah, why not. 15 GB would be fine for windows+apps, just add the rest to the big FAT32 partition, and install the games there.
[03:57] <fc9k> hmmm
[03:57] <KArhuton> Ng, you're saying, that some of the cache can be swapped inorder to have some actually free ram for ... buffering?
[03:57] <Chousuke> and some of them are metapackages.
[03:57] <fc9k> jasp: why?  can the games be accessed by linux then?
[03:57] <bronson> And a lot of them are utilities like "ps" that run and exit immediately.
[03:57] <Ng> KArhuton: no, some of the allocated ram can be swapped to make space for cache
[03:57] <cjhcjhcjh> ian yep could do...but do you have enough space for all that?
[03:57] <sally_> thoreauputic, do you know what the criteria is for allowing packages to show up there?  or where I can find it?
[03:58] <ProN00b> humm, why swap, or have harddisk anyway ?
[03:58] <KArhuton> Ng, what do you mean by allocated ram?
[03:58] <Chasake> Hello there, anyone familiar with IMAP under evolution in Breezy Badger
[03:58] <ProN00b> just run your system on ram only
[03:58] <KArhuton> Ng, running apps?
[03:58] <titi> hi everyone ;)
[03:58] <ian> cjhcjhcjh Ive got 3GB spare
[03:58] <thoreauputic> sally_: no, sorry - but if you want to browse, just use the more advanced synaptic
[03:58] <Chousuke> ProN00b: Some people do that :)
[03:58] <Ng> KArhuton: apps yes, but in this case sleeping apps more likely
[03:58] <Chousuke> ProN00b: but it's not very safe if you want to preserve your data.
[03:59] <jasp> Don't really know, but that's how I do it. :-)
[03:59] <ian> cjhcjhcjh Any idea how I can get win98 to boot to the partition and not windows?
[03:59] <Chousuke> unless you use a network filesystem. hmm.
[03:59] <thoreauputic> sally_: I believe there's an "advvnced" button in breezy that starts synaptic anyway
[03:59] <titi> does anybody have sound probs.. like no sound at all?
[03:59] <KArhuton> Ng, so I might be losing up to 100MB on apps that aren't doing anything?
[03:59] <cjhcjhcjh> ian the only difference I can see with your setup and mine is this; I had a boot-loader installed, as I already had w98 and w2k installed. I used partition magic to clear some blank space first. I am just thinking that maybe it worked because I had a bootloader running
[03:59] <KArhuton> Which could be used as cache instead..
[03:59] <sally_> thoreauputic, ok  thanks.  yeah I found it
[03:59] <thoreauputic> sally_:  :)
[03:59] <jasp> I have the windows partition as NTFS (it came with the laptop). So I try to keep that as small as possible. :-)
[03:59] <cjhcjhcjh> ian to answer your q...partition magic, and...sec...I will give you a useful url
[03:59] <cef> Chasake: what's the problem?
[03:59] <ProN00b> Chousuke, if you only load your system on the ram and have a small disk mounted to /home, its perfect ^^
[04:00] <Ng> KArhuton: that's the idea, yes. you're not "losing" it as such, it's just that the kernel can use it for things that will help you right now :)
[04:00] <Chousuke> ProN00b: if you have enough RAM.
[04:00] <KArhuton> Ng, that's isn't too good of a tradeoff
[04:00] <Chousuke> I think you need at least 2GB to accomplish that on a Desktop
[04:00] <Chousuke> and the boot times would be long.
[04:00] <cef> Chousuke: add to that "for what you want to do".
[04:01] <jcs> Could anyone direct me to a breezy repository that contains libdvdcss2 or similar?  Multiverse/universe/restricted aren't giving me anything.
[04:01] <ProN00b> how much is breezy after its installed ?
[04:01] <Chasake> cef: very strange, if I copy my old settings from Debian and I use IMAP, using a server-folder (called IMAP-Mail) where all my subfolders of mail reside, ONLY these subfolders are shown but NO inbox
[04:01] <Ng> KArhuton: I think it is (and virtual memory experts agree, which is why all decent kernels do this). I'd rather have my many openoffice windows have slightly more cache available to them than to have the web browser window I haven't looked at for days live in RAM for no particular reason
[04:01] <ian> cjhcjhcjh Japan?
[04:01] <Chasake> cef: If I switch to IMAPv4 the opposite occurs, ONLY the INBOX is shown but not the list of subfolders.
[04:02] <cjhcjhcjh> ian yeah japan...am looking for url
[04:02] <jasp> fc9k:you might want to have the windows partition as ntfs, because some software refuses to run on anything else.
[04:02] <Chasake> cef: I tried to find out where it goes wrong and it SEEMS like the fact that my home account is mounted on NFS causes this behavior
[04:02] <fc9k> yeah
[04:02] <ian> cjhcjhcjh Cool, Im in Singapore. Taking a trip to Tokyo next month actually
[04:02] <cef> Chasake: hrm I haven't changed my config since I upgraded from Hoary.. so no idea there.. but could that be related to the server? what's the cerver running?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> !tell jcs about restricted
[04:03] <KArhuton> Ng, you'll be needing 750 and not 650 MB for those OOo files?
[04:03] <ProN00b> how can i backup my stuff in /home/sweethome best to /mnt/hda ?
[04:03] <Chasake> cef: If i use my girlfriends account who does not have her home dir mounted on NFS, it works fine. So I copied her .gconf/evolution to my homedir, then her account work just fine
[04:03] <Howdy125> jcs try deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[04:03] <KArhuton> Ng, I don't see an issue there when there's so much ram available
[04:03] <Chasake> Cef: As soon as i change ONLY the login name in the running evolution, the problem comes back
[04:03] <KArhuton> Ng. Maybe if the system had only 512
[04:04] <Ng> KArhuton: *shrug*, you don't have to like it if you don't want to, it's true ;)
[04:04] <Chasake> Cef: we both use the same IMAP connection
[04:04] <KArhuton> Ng, then there's an difference between 100 and 200
[04:04] <Chasake> Cef: and the server runs wuimapd I though
[04:04] <cef> Chasake: ok, thgat is just weird.. might want to log it as a bug
[04:04] <fc9k> Jasp: right, heres my final partition plan: DISK 1: [Windows/programs/games - 60gb, / - 15gb, home - 25gb, swap - 0.5gb]     DISK 2: [swap - 0.5gb, files - 190gb]
[04:04] <titi> sorry-- i'm new to this...but can anyone help me with a sound prob??
[04:04] <KArhuton> Ng, I rather have all my apps be responsive as long as they're running
[04:04] <fc9k> think thats all sexeh
[04:05] <Chasake> cef: yes, would think so :) but this makes breezy unusable for me at this moment :(
[04:05] <HCl> gheh.
[04:05] <HCl> someone should just code an prefetch cache for linux
[04:05] <Chasake> cef: Where can I file that bug?
[04:05] <HCl> like windows xp has
[04:05] <fc9k> right, any last minute advice from anyone before i wipe it all and reformat?
[04:05] <Chasake> cef: in ximian lists or on ubuntu lists?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> KArhuton: this discussion about swap has been well and truly decided - in Ng's favour I believe - on the kernel mailing lists etc
[04:05] <fc9k> are partitions easy to sort with the ubuntu installer?
[04:05] <jasp> fc9k: looks good :-)
[04:05] <cef> Chasake: probably via bugzilla or on ubuntu-user
[04:05] <fc9k> jasp: cheers for your help mate :)
[04:05] <nomed> hi all
[04:06] <nomed> is there an irc chan for xubuntu ?
[04:06] <KArhuton> thoreauputic: The discussion is irrelevant in this case, I'd say
[04:06] <Howdy125> fc9k .. yes .. backup what you forgot to back up .. :-)
[04:06] <fc9k> lol
[04:06] <jasp> yeah, you have to tell the installer what type the partition will be, and where to mount it
[04:06] <fc9k> i cant remember
[04:06] <jasp> it's not so complex
[04:06] <KArhuton> thoreauputic: I favor swap usage on low memory system, ofcourse
[04:06] <fc9k> jasp: right, any stuff i should know for that?
[04:06] <Chasake> cef: thanks, I think i will do that.
[04:06] <thoreauputic> KArhuton: well, as Ng says , you can do as you prefer :)
[04:06] <cef> Chasake: only other thing I could suggest is to delete or move the on-disk mailboxes if you're doing syncronisation
[04:06] <ProN00b> can anyone tell me whats the safest cp to backup /home ?
[04:06] <cjhcjhcjh> great, mail me and have a beer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I am in Tokyo. still looking for url
[04:07] <Chasake> cef: I just today switched from debian unstable today and there it works fine, the whole debian system runs over NFS
[04:07] <KArhuton> thoreauputic: Well some idiot had suggested to fc9k to use 1GB of cache and create partitions for it
[04:07] <cef> Chasake: if you need the mailboxes, you might be able to re-import them (assuming you move them)
[04:07] <jasp> i would make /home and / ext3 filesystems, I'm not sure if you can format to NTFS though, maybe leave that blank, and let the XP installer format it.
[04:07] <Chasake> cef: Well it all uses imap and I deleted .evolution as well
[04:07] <dooglus> perhaps you could move the argument on to how you pronounce "cache"?  It seems to have got a bit stuck.
[04:08] <thoreauputic> KArhuton: I'm not getting into this :)
[04:08] <fc9k> jasp: i was gonna install xp first anyway and create the ntfs shizinit there, then let ubuuntu make  a nice bootloader and do the ext3 and fat stuff within that
[04:08] <ProN00b> i suggest installing windows on fat if its on a linux box (still possible with all windows afaik)
[04:08] <Chousuke> no.
[04:08] <dooglus> I used to have a boss who insisted on saying it like "kay-sh".  It never stopped winding me up.
[04:08] <Chousuke> or well.
[04:08] <Chasake> cef: so the messages stay on the server, but that perhaps where evolution does not like it anymore. The IMAP-Mail dir is in my home dir on the server but on my own home-dir as well, because it is mounted over NFS
[04:08] <windex> dooglus, offtopic arguments go to -offtopic, where we will happily mock stupid opinions without prejudice.
[04:09] <Chousuke> if you're going to run as admin anyway... it doesn't matter.
[04:09] <jasp> fc9k: ah yes, that's probably a better plan. Are you sure you have an XP install cd, and not a recovery disk?
[04:09] <robsta> hi, can i find source debs for firefox-beta2 anywhere?
[04:09] <Chasake> cef: It is so very strange. I can't explain why it just does not work.
[04:09] <dooglus> whenever I try to burn an ISO to a CD, I get told that there's only 5Mb left on the CD.
[04:09] <dooglus> both Windows and Linux tell me the same
[04:09] <jasp> becuse then I don't know if you should format it...
[04:09] <Chasake> cef: And why should I all of a sudden start using IMAPv4 where just IMAP worked fine before
[04:09] <dooglus> and I've tried it with lots of new, blank CD media
[04:09] <bruder> tip for the people that is dist-upgrading to breezy: make shure that you have the meta-package ubuntu-desktop installed before.
[04:09] <dooglus> wtf?
[04:10] <bruder> mine hasnt
[04:10] <ProN00b> dooglus, did you check the md5 sum of your .iso ?
[04:10] <fc9k> jasp : don't worry, i have a full complement of microsoft software :D
[04:10] <dooglus> ProN00b: yes - but that shouldn't make any difference anyway...  it's just bits as far as the burning process goes.
[04:10] <Chasake> cef: if I choose just IMAP the inbox does not appear at my girlfriends account too BTW
[04:10] <jasp> fc9k: Right ;-)
[04:10] <dooglus> ProN00b: and it happens whatever I try to burn
[04:10] <Chasake> cef: anyway, gotta go. Thanks
[04:10] <Chousuke> bruder: this update of mine wants to remove ubuntu-desktop for some reason.
[04:11] <Chousuke> Weird, but I can always fix it manually. :)
[04:11] <jasp> fc9k:Well good luck then. :-)
[04:11] <ProN00b> dooglus, did you try k3b ?
[04:11] <fc9k> jasp: cheers
[04:11] <LazyAngel> how do i restart my network adapter? /etc/init.d/eth0 restart isn't the right command :(
[04:11] <fc9k> right, goobye all, i'm off to reinstall :D
[04:11] <Chousuke> LazyAngel: sudo ifdown eth0
[04:11] <dooglus> ProN00b: no, I was worried it might contain KDE or traces of KDE.  I'm allergic.
[04:11] <Chousuke> and sudo ifup eth0
[04:11] <LazyAngel> Chousuke: thanks
[04:12] <ProN00b> kde is teh borg, resistance is futile
[04:12] <Chousuke> KDE hasn't assimilated me yet.
[04:12] <cef> dooglus: what are you using to burn cd's under linux?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - like the peanut packet that says "Warning: this food may contain peanuts!" :D
[04:12] <ProN00b> its just libraries -_-
[04:12] <dooglus> cef: cdrecord
[04:13] <cef> dooglus: running breezy?
[04:13] <dooglus> cef: mostly
[04:13] <cef> dooglus: try gnomebaker
[04:13] <Chousuke> ProN00b: kdelibs install quite a lot of stuff with them :po
[04:13] <Chousuke> -o*
[04:13] <dooglus> cef: I updated from hoary about 3 months ago, so the system has been all over the place.  I guess now it might be breezy, if apt has been keeping tabs on things properly
[04:13] <cef> dooglus: it's not as full featured as cdrecord, but it seems to work for me
[04:13] <dooglus> cef, ok, I'll try that.
[04:14] <dooglus> cef: did you mean 'k3b' there?
[04:14] <BockBilbo> hello
[04:14] <Chousuke> cef: hum, gnomebaker is a cdrecord frontend as far as I know.
[04:14] <cef> dooglus: gnomebaker is funnily enough a gnome program
[04:14] <ivar> q: after upgrading to breezy, my 'java' now points to gij and not the Sun java I've installed with make-java-package.. how do I get the sun java back ?
[04:15] <Chousuke> aren't most linux CD burner GUIs such
[04:15] <cef> dooglus: hang on.. you've got space issues with burning an iso? are you burning on 74 min or 80 min disks?
[04:15] <dooglus> cef: right.  but you compared it with cdrecord.  I wondered if you meant to compare it with k3b
[04:15] <thoreauputic> cef: you can tell because it doesn't start with a "K" ;P
[04:15] <robbkidd> Evolution/Exchange problem:  I can't seem to open my Exchange account's Sent Items folder.  Error: "Could not get new messages." All other folders work fine.
[04:15] <dooglus> cef: 700m
[04:15] <cef> dooglus: ahh sorry.. meant to compare it with cdroast.. got confused
[04:15] <Da_SWAT> hi all. I upgraded to breezy and noticed I had some errors. 1. I think I chose the wrong locale (some of text looks funny) 2. I got errors during the update (OoO returned error code). How can I 'redo' the entire upgrade process or something?
[04:15] <cef> thoreauputic: heh
[04:15] <Faw_> hello, I'm looking for the mbexamine program that should come with cyrus21 but it isn't in any package, all I can find is a man page for it in the cyrys21-doc package
[04:16] <dooglus> cdroast?  I don't know that one.  is that kde?  gnome?  neutral?
[04:16] <FatherTyme> Anyone have any love getting the wireless interface on an Area-51m to work?
[04:16] <Chousuke> it's for X afaik
[04:16] <Chousuke> xcdroast
[04:16] <thoreauputic> cef: all the better KDE apps don't start with K, though - amaroK ends with a K instead ;P
[04:16] <ian> ian
[04:16] <dooglus> what about using nautilus to burn the ISO?  that seems to be the simplest way.
[04:16] <cef> dooglus: neutral.. still a front end to cdrecord though.. but while it can do interesting stuff, I found it painful after a while
[04:16] <thoreauputic> dooglus: xcdroast is old, but works well
[04:17] <dan> good morn I am an IRC newb
[04:17] <cjhcjhcjh> ian still there? check out =http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/freedos_no_removable.html
[04:17] <robbkidd> Faw: Very true. That's all I see, too.
[04:18] <mateus>  hello ppl
[04:18] <thoreauputic> hello dan :)
[04:18] <limguohong91> Hi guys, how do i play mpg file on Totem player?
[04:18] <dan> :-)
[04:18] <Nikyo> dan: Welcome aboard
[04:18] <cef> anyway, time to go do other stuff
[04:18] <dan> thanks.
[04:18] <cef> later
[04:18] <dooglus> I put in a blank CD.  a dialog popped up: "burn audio, photo or data cd?".  I want to burn an iso - that's kind of data - but is 'data' the right answer here?
[04:18] <dan> ubuntu is the shiznit
[04:18] <dooglus> thanks cef.  bye.
[04:19] <El_Che> dooglus: no
[04:19] <El_Che> dooglus: cancel and open a burn proggie
[04:19] <BockBilbo> im trying to run a backup of my wordpress blog on my laptop and i have installed php4, mysql-server, apache2, and the corresponding packages to make them work together.... but i get an error saying: "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL which is required for WordPress." ... ive checked if the access to the mysql server, and its fine from the terminal using the user that wordpress uses, and in # wordpress they have to
[04:19] <BockBilbo> ld me to ask here...
[04:19] <TFP> can i log on to my ubuntu server with vnc even when i lock it down?
[04:19] <Faw_> I thought I was doing something wrong, I need mbexamine for the webmin Cyrus module
[04:20] <BockBilbo> anyone knows what might be happening?
[04:20] <ian> cjhcjhcjh yup thanks! appreciate your help. will take a look now.
[04:20] <TimM> dooglus: I heven't tried it yet, but my brother said he just right-clicked the ISO image and selected 'burn to ROM' or something like that.
[04:20] <dan> TFP: what do you mean lock it down
[04:20] <Paradoxx> !mounnt
[04:20] <mateus> how do i config my laptop's widescreen resolution in ubuntu?
[04:20] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Paradoxx
[04:20] <dan> if the service is still a'runnin, you should be fine
[04:20] <windex> !mount
[04:20] <ubotu> mount is, like, totally, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[04:21] <mateus> !windowsdrives
[04:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:21] <Paradoxx> lol, ty
[04:21] <cjhcjhcjh> ian hope it helps. I think it might be unhappy with your boot partition; installing bootmagic might help. Also will make life easier if you use partition magic to clear some space prior to the install, like 2Gb or more
[04:21] <TFP> dan:  you can lock the desktop
[04:21] <dan> right
[04:21] <dan> he should be ok with the vnc server runnin'
[04:22] <TFP> ah ok
[04:22] <bretzel> I've just re-installed Breezy from scratch, but before I had tried Kubuntu Breezy and a part from beeing cool KDE centric env, I feel it is not complete has Ubuntu is... and BTW, "adept" pkg manager is ....useless - I am too much used to synaptic :-)
[04:22] <dan> but would it be cooler to ssh in to the box
[04:23] <dan> pop off an xterm
[04:23] <movies1978> I agree adept and kynaptic are useless
[04:23] <limguohong91> Hey guys, how do i play a mpg file on Totem Player?
[04:23] <sally_> in synaptic, what does the small ubuntu logo signify, between the column labeled "S" and "Package"
[04:23] <apokryphos> movies1978: adept is hardly useless
[04:23] <apokryphos> movies1978: but it's not synaptic and it's not kpackage.
[04:23] <thoreauputic> sally_: supported packages
[04:24] <TFP> yeah it would ;)
[04:24] <ProN00b> why did they make that strange totem player their default player ?_?
[04:24] <titi> does anyone have problems with sound on this release?
[04:24] <thoreauputic> sally_: i.e. ones in the "main" repo
[04:24] <dan> super dumb irc question
[04:24] <padmawan> limguohong91: use totem-xine
[04:24] <movies1978> useless is a bit harsh, but synaptic on kdefied would be much nicer
[04:24] <dan> i want to find a java channel
[04:24] <thoreauputic> sally_: the others are "community supported"
[04:24] <jasp> limguohong91:check out ubuntuguide.org, the part about installing additional codecs.
[04:24] <apokryphos> dan: ##java
[04:24] <dan> flames welcome
[04:24] <dan> oh groove
[04:24] <apokryphos> !tell jasp about ubuntuguide
[04:24] <limguohong91> totem-xine?
[04:24] <dan> ##java
[04:24] <dan> oops
[04:25] <sally_> thoreauputic, ok thanks
[04:25] <padmawan> limguohong91: right, sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[04:25] <dan> what a great username thoreauputic
[04:25] <limguohong91> I see.
[04:25] <ProN00b> how do i backup my /home best ? (what parameters does cp need ?) i wana do a breezy install from scratch
[04:25] <limguohong91> Okay
[04:25] <limguohong91> Thanks
[04:25] <thoreauputic> dan: glad you like it :)
[04:25] <apokryphos> ProN00b: ideally you want to have your / and /home on a seperate partition
[04:26] <ProN00b> apokryphos, how do i backup it now since i didn't do that ? *_!
[04:26] <jasp> apokryphos: ah I see, thanx.
[04:26] <os2mac> this is a wlan question.
[04:27] <os2mac> where is the essid and the key stored?
[04:27] <apokryphos> ProN00b: you could tar it and put it somewhere. Though you won't want to if it's too big
[04:27] <os2mac> ProNOOB there is always tar and gzip as well
[04:27] <bretzel> HELP: I have < ATI TV WONDER PRO  > and dunno if it is already setup/configured on Breezy-fresh install -- What do I have to do for seeing it working ? any hints ?
[04:27] <limguohong91> How do i enable root user?
[04:27] <pinucset> su sudo
[04:27] <movies1978> id wlan is pcmcia
[04:27] <bloodnik> Me again :/
[04:27] <ProN00b> apokryphos, i just want to copy it as it is on a mounted vfat partition to preserve it when i kill the hedgehog
[04:27] <thoreauputic> !tell limguohong91 about root
[04:27] <movies1978> then it is /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts
[04:28] <os2mac> no wlan0 is mini-pci
[04:28] <bloodnik> For some reason, if I install ftpd on my server, I can't connect to it, I can't run it, and I can't get a manpage for it.
[04:28] <apokryphos> ProN00b: so do it :). A simple cp -r /home /some/other/partition/.
[04:28] <movies1978> try look there anyway
[04:28] <bloodnik> Is there a better alternative to ftpd that actually works? :\
[04:28] <bwlang> ProN00b: i suggest you tar it up with  tar -czf homebackup.tgz /home
[04:28] <bretzel> woah! Download speed @32kb/s only --- servers over charged! :-) :-)
[04:28] <[LethAL] > bloodnik, search synaptic :P
[04:28] <bloodnik> No GUI
[04:28] <ian> cjhcjhcjh Will let you know how I get on. Thanks again for all your help. Even If Idont get it running you've been great
[04:29] <bloodnik> There's pro-ftpd but IIRC that's harder to use
[04:29] <bwlang> bloodnik: i prefer vsftpd
[04:29] <bretzel> HELP: I have < ATI TV WONDER PRO  > and dunno if it is already setup/configured on Breezy-fresh install -- What do I have to do for seeing it working ? any hints ?
[04:29] <[LethAL] > bloodnik, Daemons don't have GUIs
[04:29] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: pureftpd
[04:29] <[LethAL] > ^^
[04:29] <bloodnik> [LethAL] , synaptic, however, needs the GUI :p
[04:29] <[LethAL] > Factoid Not In Database, Asking Other Bots...
[04:29] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: that might have a hyphen - pure-ftpd
[04:29] <ProN00b> apokryphos, -r will suffice, don't i need other special parameters for links and permissions (not important) and stuff ?
[04:29] <bloodnik> cool
[04:29] <[LethAL] > No Factoid Match
[04:29] <apokryphos> ProN00b: nope
[04:29] <[LethAL] > script going off
[04:29] <bwlang> bretzel: do you see something on your screen? - if so it's working.  If you want to be sure that you're using the correct driver you could look in /var/log/Xorg.log
[04:29] <bloodnik> put the script in the fridge then
[04:30] <[LethAL] > I did
[04:30] <apokryphos> ProN00b: once you copy over the /home folder, and you have X user, you'll want to re-chmod the whole /home/x/ directory anyhow
[04:30] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: if you want an admin GUI there's pureadmin
[04:30] <TimM> ProN00b, I use cp -a.  Dunno if that's enough or not.
[04:30] <bwlang> apokryphos: that's why i usggested tar...
[04:30] <bloodnik> thoreauputic, I want one that I can manage without a gui
[04:30] <cjhcjhcjh> ian good luck; and I never refuse a beer here in Tokyo ;-)
[04:30] <[LethAL] > Argh... Off now, byw
[04:30] <apokryphos> bwlang: why?
[04:30] <bloodnik> Cos I'm sshing in
[04:30] <bretzel>  bwlang:I am not there yet: bttv modules not loaded automagically ...
[04:30] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: well , you don't need a gui for pure-ftpd
[04:30] <bwlang> apokryphos, proN00b: tar will automatically do the username conversion
[04:31] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: and it's very simple
[04:31] <bloodnik> I installed it. Now I'm going to find out how to set it up.
[04:31] <BooZee> wow. at last! the breezy is working just fine!
[04:31] <bloodnik> does it, by any chance, automatically create accounts from passwd?
[04:31] <apokryphos> bwlang: semi-self-defeating, since a chown takes a matter of seconds.
[04:31] <ProN00b> thanks, TimM, -a seems like a good choice
[04:31] <bwlang> bretzel: you don't need bttv modules for X to work... if your talk
[04:31] <bwlang> apokryphos: not if you have multiple users
[04:31] <BooZee> got my new lcd SAMSUNG SyncMaster 730b screen!
[04:31] <apokryphos> bwlang: if he had *loads*, then yes, indeed not. I doubt that's the case however.
[04:31] <bwlang> apokryphos: especially not if you have a shared directory with different ownership
[04:32] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: it uses existing accounts IIRC and of course you can add accounts
[04:32] <bloodnik> excellent.
[04:32] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: it just runs on installation
[04:32] <bloodnik> ftp: connect: connection refused :(
[04:32] <bretzel>  bwlang: I did modprobe bttv tho ... yes they are lodaed but I am about to install mythtv & co and wondering how it will detect and configure the tv card ... I have to say I am newbie about tv cards... it is a new addition :-)
[04:32] <cjhcjhcjh> I still think I am misisng packages...shouldnt I have man? What else do I have to apt-get?
[04:32] <bwlang> bretzel: if you're talking about tv display then i can't help you
[04:32] <BooZee> say, how can I config the screen (or ubuntu) to show the fonts correctly?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: try from another machine on the LAN
[04:32] <BooZee> i have a new LCD screen
[04:33] <bloodnik> same, thoreauputic
[04:33] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: hmm - worked OK here :(
[04:33] <bloodnik> ftpd works on here too
[04:33] <cjhcjhcjh> bretzel, I have spent far too many hours fighting with TV cards. My advice is to throw it away NOW before it turns all your hair grey. Buy a telly...it will save ISA-shaped holes in the walls.
[04:34] <bretzel> mythtv seems really great and the only one central TV media center: went to zapit labs and configured my lineup - got all my local broadcasts setup :-)
[04:34] <lee_> hey all, i have just installed breezy and i have to killall esd to hear sound in games, even after following the howto on the forums - any idea whats up?
[04:34] <freemanen> I am trying to install ubuntu but I get a white screen after it has installed the package
[04:34] <freemanen> why?
[04:34] <bwlang> BooZee:sudo
[04:34] <bwlang> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  or edit /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[04:34] <TimM> I shoulda changed my apt/sources.list.  got in a rush and the defaults are slow.  whodathunk?
[04:34] <BooZee> and what to I do there?
[04:34] <ian> cjhcjhcjh How long have you been in Japan? I have the option to take a 6 month assignment in Tokyo starting in '06. Good life?
[04:35] <wouterd_> anyone had trouble with gnome keeps forgetting keyboard layout settings?
[04:35] <bwlang> BooZee: that command will ask you about your screen...
[04:35] <apokryphos> TimM: it's alright to stop the dist-upgrade as long as it hasn't started installing anything (and it's just downloading)
[04:35] <bretzel> Berk!! 21kb/s dnl rate --- Normal - Ubuntu is #1 in distrowatch!
[04:35] <apokryphos> it has been for aaages
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu Roxxors :P
[04:35] <cjhcjhcjh> ian get me on messenger please<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- as we are off-topic
[04:35] <vengeful_> ubuntu is always number 1 on  distro watch
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> of course disrto watch just monitors the # of downloads I think
[04:35] <apokryphos> cjhcjhcjh: #ubuntu-offtopic for general chatter
[04:35] <bretzel> 18kb/s :-(
[04:35] <TimM> thankd apokryphos
[04:35] <TimM> or thanks :)
[04:35] <lee_> can anyone help me get rid of this killallesd problem?
[04:36] <cjhcjhcjh> apokryphos, tvm...ian, ...or join #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:36] <thoreauputic> !tell lee_ about dmix
[04:36] <MachineScrew> why is the GNOME desktop better it's an older version isn't it
[04:36] <apokryphos> MachineScrew: huh?
[04:36] <BooZee> bwlang: i don't know what X server driver I should choose..
[04:37] <bloodnik> thoreauputic, if I run pure-ftpd I can connect, but I want it to run as a service at startup
[04:37] <wouterd_> Help! Gnome keeps forgetting my keyboard layout settings!
[04:37] <thoreauputic> MachineScrew: Ubuntu breezy uses the very latest gnome....
[04:37] <MachineScrew> apokryphos: well I here that one is better than the other
[04:37] <bloodnik> thoreauputic, never mind
[04:37] <BooZee> my screen is Samsung 730B
[04:37] <bloodnik> it's put itself in init.d
[04:37] <MachineScrew> I wana know why
[04:37] <bloodnik> :)
[04:37] <thoreauputic> bloodnik: it does
[04:37] <lee_> thoreauputic, thanks ill give it a shot
[04:37] <apokryphos> MachineScrew: no desktop is objectively perfect. Different desktop serve different needs
[04:37] <apokryphos> MachineScrew: for the quintessential criticisms/objections, use Google