[09:11] <KBar> Yeah, I got rid of gufw and just did `sudo ufw enable` and the results were the same. Thank you.
[09:41] <KBar> teward: ^ thanks for explanation


[17:38] <Samuraialba> Happy Easter!
[17:38]  * Samuraialba gets more meth
[17:38] <Samuraialba> How is everyone?


[14:15] <cnd> good morning
[14:15] <cnd> dandrader, bregma: standups :)
[14:16] <dandrader> started working on greedy windows feature for unity compiz
[14:16] <bregma> I'm not doing much touch work right now
[14:16] <cnd> I'm going to try to get the old utouch-frame code removed, it was blocked on the xorg-gtest include header namespace changes
[14:16] <cnd> bregma, ok, does it make sense to end daily standups here?
[14:17] <bregma> probably
[14:17] <cnd> dandrader and I already do another standup elsewhere
[14:17] <cnd> ok
[14:17] <dandrader> yeah, I don't see a problem
[14:17] <bregma> I still hang around tough, just highlight me if you need me
[14:17] <dandrader> RIP utouch daily stand up meetings
[14:17] <cnd> yep
[14:17] <cnd> :)
[14:18]  * bregma cues Carole King music
[14:19] <tvoss> good morning
[14:19] <tvoss> back from vacation
[14:19] <tvoss> catching up with mail
[14:20] <cnd> tvoss, good morning :)
[14:21]  * bregma cues marching bad music
[14:22] <Satoris> The standup is dead, long live the standup.
[14:24] <dandrader> :)
[14:26] <bregma> gods damn it now I have James Taylor's cover of Carole King's "You've Got a friend" running through my head
[14:26] <bregma> last time this happened it took days to recover
[14:26] <bregma> I don;t even _like_ that music
[14:45] <dandrader> cnd, I need to recognize a double tap with 3 fingers. should the application do it or should grail do it?
[14:45] <dandrader> (double-tap recognition)
[14:46] <cnd> dandrader, grail can't detect a double-tap
[14:46] <cnd> the application needs to do the detection like double-click detection
[14:47] <dandrader> cnd, you mean that applications do the double-click recognition themselves and not the toolkit?
[14:48] <cnd> dandrader, the toolkit does, yes
[14:48] <cnd> so here, nux could have double-tap recognition
[14:48] <dandrader> ah, good idea
[14:48] <cnd> it should be a simple timer setup
[14:49] <dandrader> it's simple, that's for sure
[18:23] <cnd> dandrader|lunch, if you get a minute, please review https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/utouch-frame/remove-v1/+merge/110880
[18:54] <dandrader> cnd, on it now
[18:54] <cnd> thanks
[20:56] <cnd> dandrader|afk, bregma, fyi, ginn has been removed from the desktop seed for quantal
[20:56] <cnd> it should be off the isos after a the meta-packages are updated
[20:56] <cnd> and demoted to universe
[21:01] <dandrader> cnd, ok
[21:02] <dreamon> Hello. Want to use utouch for ubuntu 12.04. hardware is a wetab-tablet pc. added ppa:utouch-team/utouch and installed utouch. but nothing cant see any usage.
[21:06] <dreamon> can anyone help me?
[21:08] <dandrader> dreamon, you don't have to install utouch from the ppa. Ubuntu 12.04 already has it
[21:08] <dreamon> ohhhh
[21:10] <dreamon> what can I do to make it work. want 2finger scrolling.. and right click by touch.. and sizing windows.
[21:10] <dandrader> dreamon, have you seen this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/
[21:10] <dreamon> on 11.10 I used twofing.
[21:11] <dandrader> dreamon, also, have you checked your settings in "System Settings" -> "Mouse and touchpad" -> Touchpad tab
[21:12] <dreamon> yes I did. but dont now how to handle it
[21:12] <dandrader> dreamon, ah, you want two-finger scrolling with you touchscreen, not a touchpad, right?
[21:12] <dreamon> there is no touchpad tab, only a mouse tab
[21:12] <dreamon> right not touchpad.. I use a tablet pc
[21:15] <dandrader> ok, then I don't really know the status of this, but I think that will depend on what toolkit each application uses and whether that toolkit (gtk, qt, etc) has this 2-finger scrolling implemented.
[21:16] <dreamon> hmm.. twofing worked on every application..
[21:16] <dandrader> for trackpads, yes
[21:16] <dandrader> because it's done by the synaptics driver in the X server
[21:18] <dandrader> but for touch events coming from a touch screen, those touches go directly to the applications and then it's up to the apps to decide what they wanna do with it
[21:18] <dandrader> those apps can use, for instance, utouch-geis to derive gestures from those touches
[21:20] <dreamon> how can I test if utouch work ?
[21:21] <dandrader> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing
[21:21] <dandrader> notice that 3 and 4 finger gestures are consumed by Unity (the window manager)
[21:22] <dandrader> so on your tests (if you're running Unity as your wm), you will be able to get only 2-touch gestures
[21:22] <dandrader> dreamon, if a 4-fingers tap brings up unity's dash it means utouch is working on your tablet
[21:23] <dandrader> or if you can move windows using 3 fingers
[21:23] <dreamon> started geisview any touch brings only a lot off 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0
[21:24] <dreamon> http://www.wetab.eas-impact.de/index.php?site=forum_topic&topic=7&ws_session=c5112090f3445d30e093c9522117b151
[21:24] <dreamon> This guy tould it would work.
[21:25] <dandrader> well, I can't read german. but that was late 2010. no need to add ppas by now
[21:26] <dreamon> He told to install package hid-dkms and hid-egalax-dkms
[21:26] <dreamon> but could not find it.
[21:27] <dandrader> dreamon, one thing is switching to a virtual terminal (ctlr + alt + f1) and using "xinput test ..." to see if you're getting proper touch events out of your x server
[21:29] <dreamon> (ctrl+alt+f1) -> xinput test brigt unable to connect to server
[21:29] <dreamon> brigt brings.
[21:31] <dandrader> export DISPLAY=:0.0
[21:33] <dreamon> Ok. what parameter needs xinput?
[21:34] <dandrader> actually nevermind :) , xinput won't get any output from a within vt, you gotta do it from a regular terminal emulator
[21:36] <dreamon> sry.. my english is not as good as it should be.. ;)
[21:36] <dreamon> Ok so I will go back to ctrl alt f7 and go in terminal
[21:43] <dreamon> xinput list -> eGalax Inc. USB TouchController id=9
[21:43] <dreamon> may this help?
[21:51] <dandrader> the general idea is to first identify what's your multitouch device and then to "xinput test-xi2 [ID]"
[21:51] <dandrader> then you lay 3 fingers on the screen
[21:51] <dandrader> you will get a lot of output
[21:52] <dandrader> and would check if you got a "touch begin" and a "touch end" for three different touches
[21:52] <dandrader> the "detail" property is the unique touch id
[21:52] <dreamon> use ID 9 .. and there is a lot of data scrolling.. when I touch the display
[21:53] <dandrader> so that you known that your device is really sending a stream of touch events for each individual finger you laid on the screen
[21:53] <dandrader> but browsing through that huge stream of data can be a pain
[21:54] <dandrader> if that's ok then the problem really is in the applications side (i.e. what gui toolkits do with those touch events)
[21:54] <dreamon> i touch with one finger.. can see a begin update and end.
[21:55] <dandrader> but if the xinput test-xi2 check is successful gestures in Unity really should work.
[21:55] <dreamon> no touch again one finger.. see begin update.. and now touching with second finger.. it scrolls again. But cant read anymore.. its to fast
[21:57] <dreamon> I'm not sure if he is notice the second finger.. I think the mousepointer is simply jumping between both positions
[22:11] <dandrader> dreamon, the mouse pointer is one thing, the touch events are another
[22:13] <dreamon> It dont work. the second finger is not recognized as an other finger.
[22:15] <dreamon> think we should stop for today. it really late and stormy weather comes up.
[22:15] <dandrader> dreamon, ok then the problem is that your touchscreen hardware is either not multitouch capable or its linux driver doesn't have multitouch support
[22:16] <dandrader> sure
[22:18] <dreamon> some guy wrote there is a driver called : eGTouch_v1.01.1014.L-x.tar.gz
[22:18] <dreamon> tomorrow I will give it a another try.
[22:18] <dreamon> Thanks a lot for your help.


[10:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] m4sk1n opened pull request #1: fix typo (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vA27U
[19:39] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.4] (20180223.1) has been added
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[20:58] <airurando> Just seen that the next Ubuntu Global Jam will be held on the weekend of 04 -06 Apr 14.
[20:58] <airurando> not good for me :-(
[20:58] <airurando> won't be able to participate that weekend
[20:58] <zmoylan-len> work?
[21:00] <airurando> no, that wouldn't stop me
[21:00] <airurando> daughters confirmation
[21:00] <zmoylan-len> yeah, miss that at your peril
[21:01] <airurando> worst luck :-(
[21:01] <airurando> really wanted to give full LoCo support to 14.04
[21:02] <airurando> zmoylan-len: did you see Aaron Hastings post to the list?
[21:03] <zmoylan-len> not ringing any bells, have been busy as of late recovering a wiped media drive
[21:04] <airurando> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ie/2013-December/001366.html
[21:05] <zmoylan-len> interesting
[21:05] <airurando> Aaron is a real nice guy.  If you can test his app out on any device I'd appreciate it.
[21:06] <airurando> I do hope we have some events in 2014 that he can meet up with you guys.
[21:06] <airurando> tdr112 knows him well
[21:07] <airurando> well knows him anyway
[21:07] <airurando> he introduced me to him
[21:08] <zmoylan-len> no devices running or capable of running ubuntu touch at the mo.
[21:08] <zmoylan-len> just switched back to dumbphones after iphone 3g threw a wobbler
[21:10] <airurando> if you know anyone who could test it would you give them a nudge?
[21:12] <zmoylan-len> i'm trying to think and am coming up empty.  if i do see anyone mention it i'll give them a poke
[21:13] <airurando> cheers
[21:14] <zmoylan-len> i mean ubuntu said they had a hardware manufacturer onboard but i'm doubtful unfortunately.  and their window of opportunity is closing fast
[21:16] <airurando> aye
[21:16] <airurando> we will see what happens in 2014
[21:17] <zmoylan-len> what i really wish is that some one make a generic phone so that people could try ubuntu touch, blackberry, androids, sailfish and other low % devices
[21:18] <zmoylan-len> people would be more prepared to make a leap of faith if they could move to other os if 1 dies or os not to their liking
[21:28] <airurando> hadn't thought of it like that before but you have a good point!
[21:29] <zmoylan-len> each of these minor players are trying to carve out a place with the big boys elbowing them out.  together they could make a difference and the nsa's job a damn sight harder
[21:30] <airurando> good point
[22:19] <tdr112> hey airurando
[22:19] <tdr112> i hope you and your family had a great xmas
[22:36] <airurando> thanks tdr112
[22:36] <airurando> we did indeed
[22:36] <airurando> I hope it was a good one for you also
[22:36] <airurando> Daughter got a laptop
[22:37] <airurando> Son got a nexus 7
[22:37] <airurando> i got a car stereo
[22:37] <airurando> to replace the one that was stolen a year ago!
[22:45] <tdr112> ah cool, i was in germany, from the 26th was great fun


[02:44] <LisaL> hi
[02:44] <LisaL> I have a problem...
[02:45] <LisaL> there is this ubuntu server,  and it's relatively fast considering that I am the only user on this server
[02:45] <LisaL> however, there is a person sitting in Asia, claiming that this server would be extraordinary slow for him
[02:45] <LisaL> I ran speedtest-cli and the results are OK
[02:45] <LisaL> what could be the reason?
[03:02] <ddellav> LisaL latency
[03:03] <LisaL> ddellav, what is that?
[03:03] <ddellav> do a trace route from the server to his IP address and you'll see what the issue is
[03:03] <LisaL> ddellav, okay!
[03:03] <LisaL> doing this now
[03:03] <ddellav> LisaL it's the time it takes a packet to travel from your server to his computer
[03:03] <LisaL> okay testing it - 1 moment please
[03:03] <LisaL> thank you for the tip!
[03:03] <ddellav> np
[03:05] <LisaL> ddellav, can I please show you the output in a private message?   It would feel bad to me to share the person's IP address (and my server's IP address)  in a maybe logged channel publicly
[03:05] <ddellav> LisaL sure
[03:05] <RoyK> LisaL: depending on where the server is located, asia or europe or america, the latency issues can be rather bad. if you're using SMB, it can be pretty horrible
[03:05] <LisaL> RoyK, the server stands in Central Europe
[03:05] <RoyK> LisaL: just secure the server - the bots will find it anyway ;)
[03:05] <LisaL> the person in question lives in Cambodia
[03:06] <LisaL> I could blank out the IP's
[03:06] <LisaL> one moment please
[03:06] <RoyK> LisaL: what sort of ping times do you get there?
[03:07] <RoyK> LisaL: what sort of traffic or protocol is this?
[03:07] <LisaL> pasting now...
[03:07] <LisaL> 1 moment pls
[03:08] <LisaL> https://dpaste.de/Qe71/raw
[03:08] <RoyK> 200ms is quite a bit
[03:08] <LisaL> why are there not more points in between?
[03:08] <RoyK> again, what protocol?
[03:08] <LisaL> I don't know?!
[03:08] <RoyK> what sort of service? web?
[03:09] <LisaL> yes
[03:09] <LisaL> oh
[03:09] <LisaL> http then
[03:09] <RoyK> http is rather resilint to latency, so it shouldn't matter too much
[03:09] <LisaL> he is downloading huge files (200 MB+)
[03:09] <LisaL> and also uploading
[03:09] <LisaL> and he needs 2 hours for a 200 MB upload / download
[03:10] <RoyK> that shouldn't matter either in terms of latency
[03:10] <LisaL> but when he up/downloads files to google drive, this takes 2 minutes
[03:10] <LisaL> so his connection is good
[03:10] <RoyK> LisaL: what sort of internet connection do you have?
[03:10] <LisaL> it's not me, it's a server
[03:11] <LisaL> hosted at a local provider
[03:11] <LisaL> I guess that's a normal ethernet cable they plug in?
[03:11] <LisaL> not idea how they connect their servers
[03:11] <LisaL> I ran a speedtest-cli
[03:11] <RoyK> what did it say?
[03:11] <LisaL> Testing download speed........................................
[03:11] <LisaL> Download: 600.37 Mbit/s
[03:11] <LisaL> Testing upload speed..................................................
[03:11] <LisaL> Upload: 282.13 Mbit/s
[03:12] <RoyK> and what are the speed you client is getting?
[03:12] <LisaL> I only know that he needs an average of 2 hours to transfer 200 MB
[03:13] <LisaL> it's a freelancer to be exact
[03:13] <RoyK> webdav or something?
[03:13] <LisaL> yes
[03:13] <LisaL> nextcloud
[03:13] <RoyK> ok
[03:13] <RoyK> do you monitor your server's cpu use? and i/o?
[03:14] <LisaL> no
[03:14] <LisaL> when I download / upload files myself,  my server is very fast
[03:14] <RoyK> well, do so - start by installing sysstat, it's an old, but rock solid thing, you need to enable it in /etc/default/sysstat after installing it
[03:15] <RoyK> just monitor everything you can
[03:15] <LisaL> okay
[03:15] <LisaL> thank you RoyK
[03:16] <RoyK> btw, is your client using a linux machine? if so, you could use iperf to check the network performance between the two, your machine and the client's
[03:16] <LisaL> he uses windows
[03:16] <LisaL> I am the client
[03:16] <LisaL> he is the freelancer
[03:16] <RoyK> LisaL: I'd recommend using something like munin on top, but that takes a wee bit of configuration compared to sysstat
[03:17] <LisaL> I will read on this
[03:17] <RoyK> there's iperf for windows as well https://iperf.fr/iperf-download.php
[03:17] <LisaL> oh that's good!
[03:17] <LisaL> and using this, he could see why it's so slow?
[03:17] <RoyK> keep in mind that iperf2 and iperf3 are not compatible
[03:18] <RoyK> iperf will only monitor network speed - it may be nextcloud is the bottleneck
[03:18] <RoyK> perhaps some php tuning needed somewhere
[03:18] <LisaL> I could try to upload a 200 MB testfile into /var/www  and ask him to download from there
[03:18] <RoyK> start with the basics
[03:18] <RoyK> measure network - iperf
[03:19] <LisaL> okay
[03:19] <LisaL> I need time to read about it
[03:19] <RoyK> make sure you have the same version on both sides, and that the server side is open for connection on the port in the firewall
[03:19] <RoyK> it won't take long ;)
[03:21] <LisaL> thank you RoyK
[03:21] <LisaL> usually I only work with graphics / pictures
[03:21] <LisaL> maybe I should have rented a static webspace rather than a vserver
[03:21] <RoyK> I see
[03:21] <RoyK> well, it doesn't take too long to get used to things
[03:22] <RoyK> and you'll learn a lot from it :D
[03:22]  * RoyK setup his first linux machine in 1994 and has been using linux (and a lot of other OSes) ever since
[03:23] <LisaL> I am also using linux as my desktop
[03:23] <LisaL> since Suse, and later Debian Potato times
[03:23] <LisaL> but I never got into server administration too much
[03:24] <RoyK> potato <3
[03:24] <LisaL> I believe that was the codename
[03:24] <LisaL> the one before woody
[03:24] <RoyK> yeah - I remember it - from 2002
[03:24] <RoyK> no - 2000
[03:24] <LisaL> omg time passes by
[03:25] <LisaL> I used to be young, sexy and beautiful
[03:25] <LisaL> now I am the potato
[03:25] <RoyK> lol
[03:25] <LisaL> and Debian is sexy
[03:25] <RoyK> aren't we all? ;)
[03:25] <RoyK> (the former)
[03:25] <LisaL> :))
[03:25] <LisaL> lol
[03:25] <RoyK> anyway - any luck with iperf?
[03:26] <RoyK> and btw, which version of nextcloud and php?
[03:26] <LisaL> I installed it
[03:26] <RoyK> the client needs it as well
[03:26] <LisaL> I believe iperf3 -s   would be the right command
[03:26] <RoyK> should do - just make sure the firewall is open for that port
[03:26] <LisaL> yep, it was :)
[03:26] <LisaL> -----------------------------------------------------------
[03:26] <LisaL> Server listening on 5201
[03:26] <LisaL> -----------------------------------------------------------
[03:27] <RoyK> ufw or iptables or something in the way, it won't work
[03:27] <LisaL> nah the server is not secured
[03:27] <LisaL> ^.^
[03:27] <RoyK> LisaL: pm me the ip address, so I can test
[03:27] <LisaL> yeah, now that you know it's not secured ;)
[03:27] <LisaL> :))
[03:28] <LisaL> I am installing iperf3 on my local ubuntu machine as well
[03:28] <LisaL> and try it
[03:28] <RoyK> I know *your* ip address already ;)
[03:29] <RoyK> LisaL: just secure your machines - giving away ip addresses is safe as long as the machine is safe - not giving away ip addresses won't stop the bots from finding it
[03:30] <LisaL> well I am connected to IRC, sure you get my IP :)
[03:30] <LisaL> iperf3 has successfully been installed on my local machine
[03:30] <RoyK> ok, try iperf -c x.x.x.x
[03:31] <RoyK> there's a bunch of magpies feasting on something on my balcony
[03:31] <LisaL> looks similar to a ping
[03:32] <RoyK> except it measures bandwidth as well
[03:32] <RoyK> ping usually just sends a 56 byte package - not a megabyte or two
[03:33] <RoyK> wee difference
[03:35] <RoyK> I guess that is 'Elster' to you ;)
[03:37] <LisaL> I don't know Elster?
[03:38] <RoyK> LisaL: where are you from?
[03:38] <LisaL> Austria
[03:38] <LisaL> Vienna
[03:39] <RoyK> guessed so - by the whois of your ip ;)
[03:39] <LisaL> ^.^
[03:39] <RoyK> I was talking about birds https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elster
[03:41] <RoyK> seems a möwe (if that is what you call it) is taking over the party http://smilla.karlsbakk.net:8081/
[03:42] <LisaL> there are birds named that way
[03:42] <LisaL> but there are no "Möwen" around in Vienna
[03:42] <LisaL> and Elster is a bird I've seen twice in my whole life
[03:43] <LisaL> my freelancers keep messaging me all the time,  I must go back to work
[03:43] <LisaL> I am sorry
[03:43] <LisaL> thank you for the nice chat :)
[03:43] <RoyK> hehe
[03:43] <RoyK> hope I could help out a bit
[03:43] <LisaL> sure you could
[03:43] <LisaL> thank you :)
[11:16] <android> does system76 still sell ubuntu machines?
[11:25] <android> can you wakeup from a jackal
[11:32] <android> or is a jackal permenant comotose
[11:54] <RoyK> android: why do you need to buy an "ubuntu machine"?
[15:53] <runelind_q> how can I enable networking in recovery mode?  There is an option in the menu to enable networking, but that mounts filesystems which I don't want to do.
[16:00] <Ussat> Generally, you dont want networking in recovery, in my experiance anyway
[16:05] <runelind_q> I need to get some data off a zfs pool.  it won't mount in multi-user mode.
[16:10] <sbeattie> rbasak: is there any chance we can get upstream interested in maintaining percona-server-5.6 (or moving the ubuntu packages to percona-server-5.7)? Or can we just drop the package?
[16:11] <sbeattie> Because the publishing history is kind of dire https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/percona-server-5.6/+changelog when compared with the open cves for the package http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/percona-server-5.6.html
[16:19] <rbasak> dpb1, jamespage: ^
[16:22] <jamespage> rbasak, sbeattie, dpb1: good question - tbh I don't know
[16:23] <jamespage> I've made some effort to tend percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6 as that's part of our openstack deployment architecture
[16:35]  * ddellav waves to jamespage
[16:35] <jamespage> o/
[20:50] <keithzg> Hmm, on one of my VMs I had to LSB-ize an old init script to get it to run on 16.04+systemd, but a customer support rep for the program in question has said she didn't have to. Is there some sort of compatibility package *other* than systemd-sysv that my instance could be lacking? Or some other wrinkle that could create this result?
[22:27] <drab> am I missing something or there's no way to get an apt-listchanges like output in terminal before installation?
[22:28] <drab> I can do it manually with apt list --upgradable and then looking at the versions and finally apt changelog and look at it for that delta
[22:28] <drab> but it kind of sucks
[22:29] <drab> I guess I have to download the pkg first and then it will work with apt-listchanges
[22:33] <tomreyn> drab: you can have apt-listchanges prompt whether or not to continue with package installation. if you answer no, the packages dont get installed. https://askubuntu.com/questions/272215/seeing-apt-get-changelogs-for-to-be-upgraded-packages
[23:19] <BenMcLean> My ubuntu server install failed at the "Selecting and installing software" stage. What should I do?
[23:19] <BenMcLean> it was an amazingly unhelpful error screen in that it did not communicate anything about any reason for the failure. just said it failed.
[23:20] <BenMcLean> Since I'm just trying to setup a stupid minecraft server in my house, maybe i should just use regular ubuntu ?
[23:23] <drab> tomreyn: yeah, what I meant was a manual review before install, meaning before the time I actually run the install (which is unattended)
[23:24] <drab> I have a test box/vm that gets upgraded before anything else and I wanted to review at once all the changes the upgrade would introduce
[23:25] <drab> which is pretty much what apt-listchanges will send you via email. I just wanted that to be printed (and possible stored somewhere as part of documented the increment of the image)
[23:26] <drab> on a different note, I'm amazed about how hard it turned out to be to do transparent proxying with another box than the gw
[23:26] <drab> it seems actually almost impossible without some "heavy" tradeoffs
[23:27] <drab> like putting the box on a diff network that would route to clients through the same gw or lose the source ip (in case on nat'ing), which isn't really an option
[23:28] <sarnold> BenMcLean: if you've got a video card and monitor on it, then the desktopversion should probably be fine. the desktop version comes with network manager, and X11, and libreoffice and the like, but the server version doesn't. you can basically get a desktop on the server via 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[23:28] <drab> I don't understand how people do this "professionally", it seems a common need/practice, but I couldn't find a blueprint of any sort
[23:28] <BenMcLean> sarnold, ok i am going with the regular ubuntu i guess
[23:29] <BenMcLean> still, failing the install is pretty bad
[23:29] <drab> in #iptables they assured me it was all NAT, but most proxies will do auth or change restrictions based on src ip so NAT seems a no go
[23:29] <sarnold> BenMcLean: was there any more information on any of the other virtual consoles?
[23:30] <sarnold> drab: certainly when I did it 20 years back I put the squid proxy right on the NAT box ..
[23:30] <drab> sarnold: yeah, that's what 99% of the tutorials/docs explain, but how is that scalable if you are a school/largish campus or company?
[23:30] <BenMcLean> sarnold "other virtual consoles"? sorry I haven't messed with ubuntu server before. Most of my exposure to linux is from screwing around with RetroPie, the debian-based gaming OS for Raspberry PI
[23:30] <drab> sarnold: it seems you'd want to run a few of those and on their own machine
[23:31] <sarnold> BenMcLean: control alt f1, control alt f2, etc
[23:31] <drab> sarnold: but maybe they just have multiple gateways behind "the real" gw
[23:31] <sarnold> drab: the -big- sites I've seen all force users to customize a proxy in their browser
[23:31] <drab> oh
[23:31] <drab> fair enough
[23:31] <BenMcLean> sarnold oh well i already shut down and am most of the way through downloading regular Ubuntu. think i'll go with that at that point, but thanks for the info cause if this install fails as well, then I can try those key combos to see what's going on
[23:32] <sarnold> BenMcLean: try f1 through f7 or f8, they might not all have stuff on them but others may
[23:34] <BenMcLean> sarnold ok, will try that if it happens again


[04:27] <fluvvell> I'm looking for the dev working on ltsp diskless side of mythbuntu. I've thought about offering some help if I can be of any, even if its just trialling and debugging. My test installs haven't cut the mustard but I'd like to know there was someone working on it before I put much time into it.
[04:31] <tgm4883> fluvvell, let me poke him and see if he is awake
[04:31] <fluvvell> great, thanks
[04:31] <tgm4883> he is in germany, so it's pretty early in the morning for him right now
[04:32] <fluvvell> oh, right.  I was just appreciating your own (hardware) setup, noticed you used a treo. I've been on a palm TX and am considering a Pre when (if) they become available. Are you looking that way at all?
[04:52] <tgm4883> nope, when the HTC hero comes out on sprint in Oct, i'm grabbing that
[04:53] <tgm4883> the pre didn't really excite me that much
[04:53] <fluvvell> sry, realise that its way OT.  Yeah, well its not causing huge ripples anywhere.
[04:57] <fluvvell> Thanks for the pointer. Looks like someone else noting ltsp stuff. I havn't even dug through any mcc scripts but I've manually chrooted into the /opt/ltsp {directory} structure and added packages or fixed stuff
[05:01] <Egghead> fluvvell, in 9.10?
[05:02] <fluvvell> Egghead, yes. Have you used chroot before?
[05:02] <fluvvell> Egghead, sorry in 9.04
[05:02] <Egghead> yes and no, just when setting up a diskless client, in hardy and jaunty
[05:03] <fluvvell> Egghead, did you have much success in jaunty? I found it hadn't installed much in the way of packages.
[05:04] <Egghead> yes, but i had to everything manually
[05:04] <fluvvell> I ended up making a full system on a usb stick, one that I intend to replace with a diskless mix as soon as I can debug the problem.
[05:05] <Egghead> i might go back to it, if i cant figure if out
[05:05] <Egghead> ahh yea im using stick to just boot load
[05:05] <Egghead> karmic has many nice additions though i would like ot stick with it
[05:06] <fluvvell> Egghead, any idea how many packages you ended up with? I think on the broken ltsp one I had about 540 and on the full install I ended up with 1500 or so, way more than I need but haven't sorted out the dross yet.
[05:06] <fluvvell> Egghead, which additions in particular?
[05:07] <Egghead> in 9.04, from stripped down the /amd64 directory was 1.5 meg, and after loading it up when to about 3.4 i think
[05:07] <Egghead> the themes and plugins
[05:07] <fluvvell> Gigabytes I'm assuming?
[05:07] <Egghead> and various proggie i like to add like sysinfo
[05:07] <Egghead> oops yea
[05:08] <fluvvell> I think I ended up with about 3.6 or so too.
[05:09] <Egghead> and yea it still booted pretty fast
[05:10] <Egghead> oh well ill try re installing and see if that helps :)
[05:10] <fluvvell> I've plugged in a usb riser internally and it boots in 30 seconds or so in 9.04
[05:11] <Egghead> what a usb riser?
[05:11] <Egghead> my usb stick is old, i was thinking of geting some newer ones that have faster read rates
[05:11] <fluvvell> when you take usb from motherboard to the backplane of the box. I've just strapped it internally to the case.
[05:12] <Egghead> oh ic
[05:12] <fluvvell> yeah, well these ones have peaked at about 18Mb/s  but normally about 8Mb/s
[05:12] <fluvvell> The thing is with a gigabit lan you can read at sometimes 22MB per second
[05:13] <Egghead> ahh nice
[05:13] <fluvvell> So I want to perservere with the ltsp solution until it works and hopefully help make it better.
[05:13] <Egghead> i was thinking of going gig but the routers are kinda expensive
[05:14] <fluvvell> routers maybe, but straight switches not too bad
[05:14] <Egghead> and some of the hd content is jerky, probably could use gig lan
[05:15] <Egghead> yea but i keep my myth vlan'd from rest of network, so id need a router
[05:15] <fluvvell> a linux box can serve as a router
[05:16] <Egghead> what filled up with nics?
[05:16] <Egghead> hehe
[05:17] <fluvvell> just two
[05:17] <tgm4883> Egghead, well yea, or just 2 nics and a switch on one of them
[05:17] <fluvvell> and plug a switch
[05:17] <fluvvell> yes, thanks tgm4883
[05:17] <Egghead> ahhh ic
[05:18] <Egghead> i guess it would work to keep to lans seperated
[05:18] <Egghead> i like my router cuz it can vlan and of the 24 ports
[05:18] <fluvvell> I also have a 4 port nic which has come in handy, but yeah if you want to seperate them.  Your router probably runs linux anyway !
[05:19] <Egghead> im not sure its an adtran
[05:19] <Egghead> probably
[05:20] <Egghead> with your gig lan, you whatch hd videos?
[05:23] <fluvvell> yeah, I've watched a trailer or two but not a full length. You should be able to watch HD on 100Mb though.
[05:24] <tgm4883> yea, HD plays fine over 100Mb, 1080i and 720p anyway, not sure about 1080p
[05:25] <fluvvell> An h264 encoded HD 1080i uses only about 17Mb/s (whoops got to take daughter for a quick driving lesson) ...
[05:26] <Egghead> yea i start getting small pauses with anthing over 9 gig in size with like a 2hour movie
[05:26] <tgm4883> strange, that shouldn't be happening
[05:26] <Egghead> ok well talk to ya later fluvvell
[05:27] <Egghead> i thought it was netwotk thoughput
[05:27] <tgm4883> well it does sound like you aren't getting data fast enough
[05:28] <Egghead> might be the file server too, its an amd 1.8 gig, kinda old
[05:28] <tgm4883> nope, that should be fine
[05:29] <tgm4883> what are your transfer speeds like between the two machines/
[05:29] <Egghead> i dont remeber, i ran i think netstat, but it was a while back
[05:30] <Egghead> i had to rebuild the server a while back, cuz the raid 5 crashed, so now im just running reg drives :)
[05:33] <Egghead> well goota get some sleep, good talking with ya
[05:34] <Egghead> night
[06:14] <`oobe`> is it true karmic koala wont have stable current version of mythtv only trunk
[06:15] <superm1> by the time karmic releases the stable version will be 0.22
[06:16] <`oobe`> really they have a eta
[06:16] <`oobe`> that seems unlike mythtv developers
[06:17] <superm1> 2-3 weeks
[06:18] <`oobe`> do you know if juanty will just upgrade using current mythbuntu repos?
[06:18] <superm1> not automatically
[06:18] <superm1> we'll be setting up another ppa for 0.22
[06:19] <`oobe`> ok nice
[06:19] <`oobe`> im using avenard repos though
[06:19] <`oobe`> just thought of that
[06:20] <superm1> he messed up the epoch i think
[06:20] <superm1> so you might have troubles
[06:21] <`oobe`> what is epoch
[06:23] <superm1> he messed up the version number
[06:23] <superm1> his version has a 2: at the start, so it's automatically bigger than anything
[06:24] <`oobe`> oh ok
[06:24] <`oobe`> i like some of his patches thats why i use it
[06:24] <`oobe`> but i find it can be a little buggy with playback of some files
[06:25] <`oobe`> also it used to not start backend properly on most boots i had to add a couple of lines to rc.local to make it work properly
[06:25] <`oobe`> but recently removed those lines and it starts up fine now
[06:32] <superm1> if you want to go to 0.22 and karmic, it would probably be easiest to back up your database, and just install from scratch when karmic releases
[06:33] <`oobe`> yea i will most likely end up doing that
[06:34] <`oobe`> what if i upgraded juanty > karmic would i end up with .21 packages not upgraded
[06:34] <superm1> Yup
[06:34] <superm1> if he has a messed up version number, that's what will happen
[06:35] <`oobe`> MythTV Version   : 21583-openglvdpau2-nv180
[06:37] <`oobe`> is that why once i tried to purge his packages and i ended up not being able to install mythbuntu repos correctly
[06:38] <superm1> Yup
[06:39] <`oobe`> maybe it will work out cause his site says he will be adding .22 soon
[06:39] <`oobe`> plus i want to keep this system as i have a lot of other things configured besides mythtv
[06:39] <superm1> well the other thing is you can downgrade packages in synaptic to get back to the right versions
[06:39] <`oobe`> so upgrading would be prefered
[06:40] <`oobe`> oh ok
[06:40] <superm1> either before or after you upgrade to karmic
[06:40] <superm1> it's just a little bit of a pain in the ass
[06:40] <Zinn> superm1: Please watch your language.
[06:40] <`oobe`> yeah thats a good point
[06:40] <`oobe`> is Zinn  a bot
[06:40] <superm1> Yeah
[06:40] <`oobe`> thats good
[06:41] <`oobe`> i would hate to think a human had that sort of response time
[06:41] <superm1> haha
[06:41] <`oobe`> and was that vigilant and overzealous
[06:41] <superm1> once karmic releases, we'll probably have to get a little snippet response for telling people a one line command to downgrade packages
[06:41] <superm1> but we'll need to know the final versions that karmic launches with before we can write such a thing
[06:55] <Gumby> !help
[06:55] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[08:11] <`oobe`> thanks superm1
[12:07] <frbaresi> Hy
[12:34] <frbaresi> I'm an Mythtv user and I'm an Mythtv user and I'm having a problem with mythVideo. I've searched all documentation and mailing list, but I haven't found a solution for this problem
[12:34] <frbaresi> My problem is the font encoding
[12:35] <frbaresi> For example, if I have a video named "Guimarães" the plugin writes "GuimarÁ£es"
[12:35] <frbaresi> any idea?
[14:24] <Essobi> Morning.
[14:57] <rhpot1991> morning
[15:29] <tschaefer> hallo
[15:30] <tschaefer> kann mir vieleicht jemand helfen ?
[15:42] <tschaefer> hallo
[15:42] <tschaefer> Kann mir vieleicht jemand helfen ?
[15:44] <superm1> english here
[15:45] <superm1> otherwise, #mythtv-de
[16:13] <Aijse> High im about to update my mythbuntu front end backend to 9.04. Am I in for a rough night of tweaking or is it mostly pollished by now?
[16:13] <Aijse> My front end is allready 9.04 and had initial problems when opening mythtv
[16:29] <rhpot1991> Aijse: shouldn't be too many issues, I'd backup your db ahead of time just to be safe though
[23:52] <jamey> any sugestions on how to get sound working in karmic frontend using hdmi?
[23:53] <jamey> pulse shows stuff on playback tab but nothing showing on output tab