[06:43] <ochosi> morning everyone
[06:45] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i recently got in touch with the current skippy-xd maintainer (that's the exposé feature for various wms, incl. xfmw4), if you're around please "pong" me :)
[07:44] <ochosi> hmm, i somehow like these sidebar-icons: http://dribbble.com/shots/147868-Mac-OS-X-Lion-Style-Sidebar-Icons
[10:17] <knome> hmm. some of them are a bit too cluttered (internal, usb hd, server - too bad those are the most used), but generally not bad
[10:18] <knome> the "internal" icon in this set:  http://dribbble.com/shots/356088-Mini-Icons  is better
[10:19] <knome> so i think just modifying the inside part (less contrast) could work
[10:27]  * madnick likes famfamfam, but I suppose they are outdated
[10:28] <ochosi> knome: what i like about the icons, especially the HD icon, is that they don't have the weird perspective of elementary's icon
[10:28] <ochosi> maybe we can at least refactor the 16px icons...
[10:29] <ochosi> i also like the color-scheme of those butw (almost monochrome/blueish)
[10:31] <knome> mm
[11:00] <knome> oh come on!
[11:00] <knome> clicking the "Home" icon on LO tries to go to /home/knome/Documents !
[11:41] <ochosi> LO?
[11:45] <soren> I'm going to guess LibreOffice.
[11:45] <ochosi> oh right
[11:46] <ochosi> then it kinda makes sense though
[11:46] <ochosi> (haven't found a home-button there though)
[12:39] <knome> ochosi, in "save"
[12:39] <knome> ochosi, top-right corner
[12:44] <knome> okie, send email and tweeted about the next community meeting
[12:58] <knome> did the ubuntu wiki just crash?
[13:24] <knome> astraljava, hmph. :)
[13:26] <knome> astraljava, when was the QA meeting with pleia2 scheduled again?
[13:33] <astraljava> knome: Sunday the 17th.
[13:33] <astraljava> knome: And yes, it seems to have.
[13:33] <knome> astraljava, okay. what's your schedule today?
[13:33] <astraljava> Bad.
[13:33] <knome> heh
[13:34] <knome> and i suppose tomorrow daytime isn't good either?
[13:34] <astraljava> Not really. What are we talking about?
[13:34] <knome> i was wondering if i'd get some help in reviewing the long test
[13:35] <astraljava> Sorry, no can do.
[13:35] <knome> yeah, np
[13:36] <knome> what about weekend then?
[13:37] <astraljava> Weekend will be better, apart from Saturday earlier than, say, 6 pm. (local time).
[13:38] <astraljava> But Sat. evening and the whole of Sunday will be fine.
[13:38] <knome> ok, if we seem to crash at irc the same time, remind me of the review if i don't do that first
[13:38] <astraljava> I'll try. :)
[13:38] <knome> great
[13:38] <astraljava> knome: What about the lead thingie? I see Testing team as empty now.
[13:38] <knome> astraljava, ah, right
[13:39] <astraljava> What's the policy on filling that position? Is there going to be a voting or something?
[13:39] <knome> i'll send yet another mail
[13:40] <knome> QA lead would be much more descriptive, right?
[13:40] <knome> or did we want to avoid that
[13:52] <knome> astraljava, ?
[14:42] <ochosi> knome: i really prefer the light-menus with greybird, they feel so much more easy to read...
[14:42] <ochosi> bbl
[16:43] <mips1911> IS there any way to get drop shadows on the panel?
[17:04] <holstein> mips1911: try http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=3588
[17:07] <mips1911> holstein, thx. I have all options ticked but no go
[17:08] <holstein> mips1911: are you using compositing?
[17:08] <holstein> mips1911: is it *that* big of a deal?
[17:11] <mips1911> holstein, yes enabled but not a big deal. Just trying to figure out if i can somehow enable it.
[17:13] <holstein> mips1911: you got other shadows?
[17:16] <mips1911> holstein, yes all other window etc shadows are working fine
[17:17] <mips1911> No worries though, just got a call and gotto go do something more important now, drink beer for someones birthday! :)
[17:17] <mips1911> Cheers, will pop back later.
[17:17] <holstein> mips1911: right on!
[17:18] <mips1911> pop in and I'll buy you one! ;)
[17:19] <holstein> mips1911: wow... i'll get in the car right now!! ;)
[19:18] <pleia2> knome: want me to add the next meeting to the google cal?
[19:41] <knome> pleia2, ah, yeah, that'd be cool
[19:41] <knome> pleia2, if you are there in 15 mins, i might need you :)
[19:42] <knome> brb
[21:48]  * pleia2 waves to knome
[21:49] <knome> hai!
[21:49] <pleia2> busy worky day, but I'm about
[21:49] <knome> heh, if you're busy, then nvm :D
[21:51] <pleia2> nah it's ok
[21:51] <knome> okay
[21:51] <knome> i was thinking about the docs
[21:51]  * pleia2 nods
[21:51] <knome> we have loads of people ready to start working
[21:53] <knome> i was thinking whether the structure needed updating or not
[21:53] <pleia2> I don't know what the structure is :(
[21:53] <pleia2> (or anything about docs really)
[21:53] <knome> pleia2, are you on a xubuntu machine?
[21:54] <pleia2> yep
[21:54] <knome> pleia2, click applications menu -> help
[21:54] <pleia2> oh yes, I have *seen* the docs
[21:54] <pleia2> that say 11.10 :)
[21:54] <knome> pleia2, well yeah; i don't know more than you either then
[21:54] <knome> in the "Xubuntu Documentation", there's the structure
[21:55] <pleia2> yeah, I don't know where this all lives on launchpad though, how to change it, who can change it, translations?
[21:55] <knome> i don't know where it lives either...
[21:55] <knome> but i'm not too worried about the technical side
[21:56] <pleia2> ok
[21:56] <knome> i'm thinking "how can we unleash this 20-head group full of energy"
[21:56] <pleia2> ah yes, that
[21:58] <knome> i'm also thinking what's the necessary documentation to ship; how much do we have to worry about users not having internet, and what kind of documentation do we have to have for those who don't have internet
[21:59] <knome> i'm thinking that maybe the refreshed documentation needs to be more compact and easier to grasp
[21:59] <pleia2> so I read recently about changes to how xfce itself "ships" documentation and I'm wondering if that would impact us at all
[21:59] <knome> yes, that's another thing; could we just point to the xfce docs for DE-related issues?
[21:59] <knome> and of course, unleash some of that energy to write the xfce docs directly
[22:00] <pleia2> yeah
[22:00] <knome> and if we do that, how much documentation we need to maintain under xubuntu
[22:00] <knome> probably some ubuntu-specific stuff, but what about different applications?
[22:00] <pleia2> so it turns out we already do a pretty good job in our current docs of not rewriting things like "how to use abiword"
[22:00] <knome> hehe
[22:01] <knome> i'm thinking if it's too brave to drop any application-specific docs
[22:01] <knome> looks like the old docs even have a section listing different games for linux ;)
[22:02] <knome> "Strategy games require you to use careful tactics to plan the next move; simulation games let you explore and manage realistic models of such things as cities and vehicles. Strategy and simulation games can be quite addictive and many people happily spend hours playing their game of choice!"
[22:02] <pleia2> yeah
[22:02] <knome> i'm not so sure how relevant that is
[22:02] <pleia2> this needs a lot of love
[22:02] <knome> i've been thinking that we need a group of trustworthy people to go through what is needed and what now
[22:03] <knome> how much time have you reserved for the meeting on 17th?
[22:04] <pleia2> I have all morning, so I could be around for 3+ hours
[22:04] <knome> i could look through the docs today and create a quick proposal
[22:04] <pleia2> so I've done smaller scale (not 20 people, more like 3) documentation rewriting things at work, and we've essentially just dumped headlines from the docs into a wiki, assigned people sections, and then come back for meetings (we use svn and wiki for docs at work, but)
[22:05] <pleia2> er, but.. we'd need to look into what we use for xubuntu
[22:05] <knome> "use" ?
[22:05] <knome> oh, you mean the technical side?
[22:05] <pleia2> docbook
[22:05] <pleia2> yeah sorry, I am hung up on the technical side still :)
[22:05] <knome> i'd say we're not tied with anything
[22:05] <knome> we can keep with docbook, that's fine
[22:05] <pleia2> it matters because we have to control who has access to commits and things, and that workflow helps define how we structure the team
[22:05] <knome> but i'm not assuming the 20-head group will all (want to) learn docbook
[22:06] <pleia2> yeah, I'm thinking some will just do rewrites in .odt and submit them to docbook people
[22:06] <pleia2> or whatever
[22:06] <knome> agreed; otoh, i think the majority of this group will not stick for eternity anyway ;)
[22:06] <pleia2> yeah
[22:06] <knome> yes, or rewrites in the wiki or anything
[22:07] <knome> having 2 or 3 people with ability to do docbook would be ideal
[22:07] <pleia2> so I think we want to get ourselves to a point where we can assign sections to people and they write them whereever, and doc leads convert them into techie-style-whatever to commit them
[22:07] <knome> assigning sections to people is fine, but what if we did...
[22:07] <knome> for each section, set an assignee and a reviewer (for content and language)
[22:08] <knome> then point to the docbook-guys
[22:08] <pleia2> yeah
[22:08] <knome> i think we'd get better results if people had to work with others
[22:08]  * pleia2 nods
[22:08] <knome> "get as much feedback as you can as often as you can"
[22:09] <knome> i'm thinking only the people who will have commit access should be approved to the team
[22:09] <knome> but i'm also thinking that this group should be the group that shows commitment to continue contributing
[22:09] <pleia2> so that would probably just be the docbook folks
[22:10] <knome> yes, but at this time, it's really hard to say who should be in that group
[22:10] <pleia2> yeah
[22:10] <knome> we don't even know how many of the people will just not do anything!
[22:10] <pleia2> and whether having a lp group at all makes sense (could we give a group access to just the docs in our xuubntu world, or is it too tied in with -dev?)
[22:11] <pleia2> I mean, a committers group, having a doc team makes sense
[22:11] <knome> i think the LP group is there because some team needs to be part of ~ubuntu-doc
[22:11] <knome> right
[22:11] <knome> otoh, the -art or -website team is not everybody who is making some small contributions eitehr
[22:12] <pleia2> yeah
[22:12] <knome> i agree it might be a bit different with docs, but i'm sure (how negative thinking!) the -doc team will be just a few guys anyway
[22:12] <pleia2> if we make it easy, I think we could do well with docs
[22:13] <pleia2> the trouble wth ubuntu-docs is that it feels like to do anything you need to be super docbook guru and understand all the tools
[22:13] <pleia2> ubuntu-manual does all this much better
[22:13] <knome> i might be wrong but i think most of the people who have "signed in" now do not necessarily want to even be a part of a LP group
[22:14] <pleia2> yeah, there is always some attrition, but 20 is a nice start, we may end up with 5 solid contributors :)
[22:14] <pleia2> (that's about the ratio to people emailed: people doing work each week on UWN)
[22:15] <knome> i'm thinking [original_amount]*.15
[22:15] <knome> anyway, i agree with the fact that contributing should be as easy as possible
[22:15] <knome> this is what i want to offer for the 20 there
[22:15]  * pleia2 nods
[22:15] <knome> if some of them want to learn docbook too - fantastic!
[22:16] <knome> the other thing i was wondering...
[22:16] <pleia2> so, we should 1) find where docs live 2) confirm docbook 3) meet
[22:16] <knome> how many of the contributors are english-native?
[22:17] <knome> and how much spell-checking do we need to do
[22:17] <knome> and should we assign the english-fluent people to do that (too)
[22:17] <pleia2> good points
[22:17] <knome> and if we assign the english-fluent people to do that too, isn't that just... waste of resources?
[22:18] <knome> they could just write the docs themself
[22:18] <knome> and no special review would be needed
[22:18] <knome> but what would the non-english-fluent do then?
[22:19] <pleia2> I wonder if we just trust that folks volunteering are confident in their english skills, and we tweak as needed (if one section turns out really awkward, drag in a fluent speaker)
[22:19] <knome> we didn't say we want people who are confident
[22:20] <knome> what do you think of creating a list of the tasks where we need people, and tell to pick 2
[22:20] <pleia2> yeah, but I think volunteering to write english-language docs implies it
[22:20] <knome> writing/proof-reading/.../.../docbook
[22:20] <knome> or "pick 1"
[22:20] <knome> and let's see how the people group up
[22:20] <pleia2> that would be good
[22:22] <knome> so, what would the different groups be?
[22:22] <knome> is there more than three
[22:22] <pleia2> writing, editing, converting to docbook, final proofing and committing
[22:22] <pleia2> are the jobs I see
[22:23] <knome> editing meaning proof-reading and converting to sensible english? :P
[22:23] <pleia2> nd we probably need some administrative in there somewhere (planning meetings, setting deadlines, following up
[22:23] <pleia2> yeah, I suppose we should have technical editors too
[22:23] <knome> should we then tell people to pick 2?
[22:26] <pleia2> yeah
[22:26] <knome> so
[22:26] <knome> writer
[22:27] <knome> editor (proof-read and make understandable)
[22:27] <knome> what else?
[22:27] <pleia2> technical editor (right default apps are covered, doesn't say crazy wrong things)
[22:28] <pleia2> docbooks person
[22:29] <knome> or s/person/editor/ :)
[22:29] <knome> or s/person/manager/ ?
[22:30]  * pleia2 shrugs
[22:30] <pleia2> any will do
[22:30] <knome> hehe
[22:30] <pleia2> maybe editor is best
[22:30] <astraljava> knome: QA Lead does indeed sound much better, I somehow hear it more describing to my interests.
[22:31] <knome> astraljava, well that's decided anyway :)
[22:31] <knome> (see email at -devel)
[22:31] <astraljava> Weeelll there you have it. :)
[22:32] <knome> so what after docbook editor?
[22:32] <knome> final proofing?
[22:32] <pleia2> yeah, but that'll be a job pretty late in the game and hopefully won't find anything
[22:33] <knome> does the doc committers commit to ubuntu repos or somewhere else?
[22:34] <pleia2> I think we need to figure out the infrastructure before deciding that
[22:35] <pleia2> I think it's probably best to offer: writer, grammar editor, technical editor, docbooks editor
[22:36] <pleia2> and then go from there, everyone in the world can do final editing and just email changes to -devel if we want
[22:36] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation
[22:36] <knome> how does that look?
[22:37] <knome> should we convert the requirements to lists?
[22:37] <pleia2> I think that's a good start
[22:37] <knome> is that more understandable/graspable
[22:37] <pleia2> seems fine to me the way it is
[22:37] <knome> hmmh.
[22:37] <knome> i was thinking the other way
[22:37] <knome> quite hard to see immediately what's good for you
[22:38] <pleia2> well sure, if you want
[22:38] <knome> nah
[22:38] <pleia2> but they're all short enough at this time that it's not hard to read
[22:38] <knome> maybe it's for the best to expect some patience ;)
[22:38] <pleia2> yes, doc volunteers must be willing to actually read the docs we write for the volunteers ;)
[22:39] <knome> hehe
[22:43] <astraljava> What, you mean all the glory, fortune and fame don't come for nuthin'?! HUH?
[22:43] <knome> :)
[22:46] <knome> pleia2, mmh, so
[22:46] <knome> are you happy with the page now, should i send email about that?
[22:48] <pleia2> yeah go for it
[22:58] <knome> hmm, 9 applicants don't have public address provided at LP
[23:00] <knome> sent mail
[23:01] <knome> meh, 2 more delivery fails
[23:03] <pleia2> heh
[23:03] <knome> i'm sending privmsgs through LP
[23:03] <knome> astraljava told the limit might be 4 per day
[23:03] <knome> let's see if i need help :P
[23:04] <knome> WFF?
[23:04] <knome> three??!
[23:04] <Unit193> Well, I am here.
[23:04] <knome> title:  IMPORTANT; Xubuntu documentation
[23:05] <knome> content:  You've applied to the Xubuntu documentation team. Please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-June/008243.html
[23:05] <knome> Unit193, i'll PM you three nicks
[23:06] <knome> actually, i'll ask #launchpad first.
[23:09] <knome> astraljava, pleia2: still there?
[23:09] <pleia2> mhmm
[23:10] <knome> pleia2, i'll send you three nicks too
[23:12] <knome> somebody else from the team hanging? ;)
[23:13] <Unit193> I know other LP people. :P
[23:13] <knome> i'd like it to come from xubuntu team members at least
[23:13] <knome> it's kind of spooky if random people contact you :D
[23:14] <Unit193> Figured, and makes sense.
[23:14] <knome> muahahah, three more days and people will expire from the team
[23:14] <knome> then i'll be the only member!
[23:14]  * knome laughs manically
[23:41] <pleia2> oh yeah, Unit193 and I were added to #xubuntu and #xubuntu-offtopic access lists today
[23:41] <knome> hah, and i was "added" to the #xubuntu-ot list too
[23:41] <knome> :P
[23:42] <pleia2> keeping them synced must be fun
[23:42] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:42] <knome> and congrats ;)
[23:42] <knome> i'll leave the op duties to you now
[23:42] <knome> :]
[23:42] <pleia2> "here, more work!"
[23:42] <pleia2> :)
[23:42] <knome> haha, yeah!
[23:42] <pleia2> the channels are mostly fine though
[23:42]  * pleia2 knocks on wood
[23:42] <knome> i was thiking if there were people interested in the mailing list moderation
[23:43] <knome> especially -users
[23:44] <Unit193> pleia2 is stalking me...
[23:44] <pleia2> <3
[23:45] <pleia2> I should keep up with -users more, I'd think we we'd want to add folks who do good work there (so they're already paying attention) but I don't know who to suggest
[23:46] <knome> what if we just asked them? :P
[23:46] <pleia2> I got added as a moderator for ubuntu-users once, it was tricky trying to figure out exactly which level of hell it was
[23:46] <knome> "who'd like to"
[23:46] <knome> lol
[23:46] <knome> xubuntu-users is not too bad (maybe only a few floors down)
[23:46] <pleia2> hehe
[23:47] <pleia2> yeah, I think the high volume of ubuntu-users caused it to be a particularly special case :)
[23:47] <pleia2> this was all while the CC was trying to tame it (it got nasty for a while), things are better these days
[23:48] <Unit193> I'm not even on it. >_>
[23:48] <knome> argh
[23:48] <knome> how do i access about:config on tb agian
[23:49] <knome> oh, there, good


[00:02] <popey> Happy Christmas! :D
[00:07] <daftykins> popey: and to you sir o/
[01:26] <zmoylan-pi> 365 days to christmas :-P
[01:27] <daftykins> D:
[08:58] <Myrtti> hullo
[08:59] <Myrtti> XPS 13 is teeny!
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> it's awesome though
[09:50] <ChunkzZ> Merry Christmas! :
[10:00] <SuperMatt> merry christmas :)
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls, and happy christmas.
[10:19] <SuperMatt> would be happier if I wasn't WFH
[10:19] <brobostigon> wfh?
[10:19] <SuperMatt> working from home
[10:19] <SuperMatt> I've got to stay at my pc to take calls
[10:19] <brobostigon> :(
[10:20] <SuperMatt> I've already done about 6
[10:20] <SuperMatt> and I've updated 20 tickets
[10:20]  * brobostigon bought himself the old nexus 4.
[10:21] <shauno> gotta be better than working from the office.  I have the classic vending machine lunch - two packets of crisps and a snickers bar
[10:21] <brobostigon> :(
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> but if you soak the snickers in the tape head cleaner it'll make the day fly by :-P
[10:23] <brobostigon> soak the snickers in whisky, make a snickers smoothie.
[10:34] <bashrc> happy christmas ubuntuers
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> even those crazy x/k/lubuntu users? :-)
[10:39] <brobostigon> haiku'ers, :)
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> even the last os/2 user
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> but no cpm, we have to draw the line somewhere :-)
[10:43] <brobostigon> oh well.
[10:56] <bashrc> yes, I am a kubuntu user
[10:56]  * zmoylan-pi uses lubuntu and xubuntu
[14:01] <mapito> urgh
[14:01] <mapito> feel rough
[14:03] <mapito> gonna be one of those days
[14:03] <mapito> ;]
[14:16] <penguin42> is this feeling rough as a consequence of last night?
[14:17] <mapito> yes
[14:17] <mapito> gib closed 2
[14:17] <mapito> 12
[14:17] <mapito> so went into spain and bars were open till 5/6
[14:17] <mapito> of course i cant get enough
[14:17] <mapito> total idiot again
[14:18] <penguin42> so not so much last night as this morning
[14:19] <mapito> yea
[14:19] <mapito> got a kebab at 6am
[14:19] <mapito> and a can of cruzcampo
[14:19] <mapito> like a fool
[14:19] <mapito> clearly id had enough
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> has anyone ever finished a story with the line 'got a kebab...' well?
[14:32] <mapito> ;]
[14:32] <mapito> it was nice
[14:32] <mapito> v nice
[14:32] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, ` NO - but in the back garden I do I have a kebab well, so why I need any reading material about it?
[14:33] <mapito> then i phond a girl and pestered her to come out
[14:33] <mapito> argh
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's a food group that only sells to those so flutered that common sense has been compleely silenced
[14:34] <mapito> well this kebab was nice
[14:34] <mapito> chicken kebab and a can o cruzcampo
[14:34] <mapito> like an alcoholic
[14:35] <mapito> what a mug
[14:36] <penguin42> mapito has a surprisingly good memory
[14:37] <mapito> whys it surprising
[14:38] <penguin42> well you must have been well pickled by then
[14:40] <mapito> clown behaviour b me again
[15:21] <mapito> getting too old to be doing it all the time
[15:22] <mapito> it's draining!
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> Severe weather warnings of more than 10cm of snow are issued by the Met Office for 26 December for some parts of the UK....
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> !st to build a 10cm snowman wins!
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> *1st
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> [& dear luboto3... you are dumber than I am, fool!
[16:12] <penguin42> yeh apparently we've got a chance of a little on Saturday
[16:13] <penguin42> heck, Sunday/Monday is looking like it's going to be around 0c; the last week or two has been pleasently above 10c
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> ok, guys & gals: pack drill time.  Candles ready, extra quilt ready, plumber called just in case
[16:14] <penguin42> no, yes, no, but I do have chocolate
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> ...dearest tux.... you may like it snow covered & frozen... I don't!
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> oooo chocolate..... darn - suddenly I feel unprepared!
[16:20] <penguin42> hmm, Amazon have a deal on the Sony DSCHX60 260->159 - I'd been eyeing it's cheaper older version that was typically retailing for 170 and was hoping someone would have that on sale, but I can't find anyone doing that cheaper
[16:22] <penguin42> (pocket camera with 30x optical zoom)
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!  it's Dr. Who time!
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> dr. who saves the day /spoiler
[18:34] <SuperEngineer> surely - you mean "saves the Christmas Day" - fool!
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> he has access to time travel he can save any day on christmas day he likes - noob!!
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, not quite true - you need to be aware of the tangerine effect to understand that though ;)
[19:34] <StevenR_> hrmph. Updated to trusty. Rebooted. Grub says "file not found" and gives me a grub rescue> prompt.
[19:38] <penguin42> StevenR_: Oops
[19:38] <penguin42> StevenR_: Anything odd about your install?
[19:47] <StevenR_> penguin42: raid 1 /
[19:49] <penguin42> StevenR_: Ah
[19:50] <penguin42> StevenR_: Try telling your BIOS to boot off the other disk, my suspicion is that the grub.cfg is only on one of the drives?
[19:50] <penguin42> StevenR_: that might not help if the boot sector your booting off is just trying to read it off the wrong drive
[19:51] <StevenR_> ls shows all the partitions.
[19:51] <StevenR_> rebooting to try that now
[19:52] <penguin42> StevenR_: How many drives do you have in ? Just the two? Do you have any USB storage devices plugged in?
[19:52] <StevenR_> penguin42: 6.... I think
[19:52] <StevenR_> (it's my dad's Mythbox)
[19:52] <penguin42> StevenR_: Hmm, fun
[19:53] <StevenR_> from memory, 2xSSD RAID1 (system) 2x1.5TB (myth-data), 1x500GB (backups), SATA DVD
[19:53] <StevenR_> other ssd says file not found too
[19:53] <penguin42> StevenR_: Grub has to figure out a mapping between it's idea of say /dev/sda  and the BIOS drive number, so that it can then write into the boot sector which drive to go and read other bits off, if that gets screwed up odd things happen
[19:54] <penguin42> StevenR_: Similarly, if something like one half of your RAID has the grub.cfg on and it's trying to read it off that then it could happen
[19:55] <StevenR_> oo
[19:55] <StevenR_> grub appears to be written to one of the 1.5TB drives
[19:55] <StevenR_> login screen!
[19:58] <StevenR_> still got an error about some filter thing
[19:58] <Myrtti> new laptop ♥
[19:58] <penguin42> StevenR_: OK, make sure your RAID is sync'd
[20:03] <StevenR_> penguin42: mdadm says they are both in sync (two arrays)
[20:05] <penguin42> good good
[21:25] <StevenR_> penguin42: sorted I think - reinstalled grub to the SSDs
[21:26] <StevenR_> next problem - keyboard map reverts to US for xterms/XFCE4terminal/etc
[21:27] <StevenR_> I've run setxkbmap and sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration .... both fix it for that session, but if I reboot, then it's back to US
[21:28] <StevenR_> penguin42: thanks for the grub pointers btw
[21:41] <penguin42> StevenR_: No problem; with RAID1 just keep an eye out whether it works fine if one of the RAID pairs dies; I think Grub these days should know how to deal with RAID directly
[21:57] <StevenR_> penguin42: is rc.local still executed on boot in trusty? (there's a command that sends a mail, and the mail doesn't show up in either the dest or logs
[21:58] <penguin42> heck, not sure
[23:22] <daftykins> Happy Christmas to all in -uk :)
[23:22] <penguin42> hey daftykins
[23:23] <daftykins> hi sir, how goes your day?
[23:23] <penguin42> good, and yours?
[23:23] <daftykins> yep ta, just home now after visiting the olds :)
[23:23] <daftykins> now i can push tosh on the TV ;)
[23:25] <daftykins> heh there are some high frequencies the cat really doesn't like!
[23:27] <daftykins> penguin42: did you get yourself any new toys to play with today? :)
[23:30] <penguin42> daftykins: I've got myself a little dev board; ST Micro Nucleo board
[23:30] <penguin42> not done much with it yet, except checks it powers on and grabbed all the docs
[23:31] <daftykins> neat :D
[23:31] <penguin42> yeh, hopefully
[23:31] <daftykins> i got myself a bluray TV set of 'The Sopranos' and got it working under Linux with makemkv's libaacs substitute :D
[23:31] <penguin42> oh nice, I hadn't realised anyone had got bluray going
[23:32] <penguin42> (not that I have any bluray)
[23:33] <daftykins> i didn't until now :) i have an xbox one to play them too now but i thought it'd be a fun task to just give it a go too
[23:33] <daftykins> so my ubuntu running HTPC, with the addition of a makemkv PPA, quick file transplant and hey-presto XBMC/Kodi can play :)
[23:34] <penguin42> nice
[23:34] <daftykins> well, symlink of course :>
[23:35] <daftykins> it's more for films though i think, on my series discs it just kinda picks the longest title and plays that
[23:35] <daftykins> so there's no menu support
[23:41] <Azelphur> so, I just bought a chromecast, and it seems to...well, suck.
[23:42] <penguin42> Azelphur: Out of interest, in which particular way?
[23:42] <Azelphur> penguin42: well, the documentation on googles website says that you can push photos and video from your phone to the chromecast in the photos app
[23:42] <Azelphur> read the documentation, the button shown in the screenshots is not present on any of my devices, no way to push photos/videos out of the box.
[23:43] <penguin42> fun, is it enabled by some switch somewhere?
[23:43] <Azelphur> I heard that you have to turn on google plus photo uploads in order to be allowed to use it
[23:43] <penguin42> I vaguely remember a flag that sounded like something related but can't remember what
[23:44]  * penguin42 waits for his phone to boot
[23:44] <Azelphur> that said, the documentation makes no mention of any buttons, switches, or google plus requirements
[23:44] <Azelphur> it just says go into photos, select a photo, and hit the chromecast button
[23:44] <Azelphur> and, the button just plain isn't there, so that's frustrating.
[23:46] <Azelphur> so then I tried a bunch of third party apps, localcast, ES File explorer chromecast plugin, and bubbleupnp, none of them could stream recorded video from my phone to the TV without lots of buffering.
[23:46] <penguin42> where's the button supposed to be?
[23:46] <Azelphur> penguin42: https://support.google.com/plus/answer/6045071?hl=en click on "Android app"
[23:47] <penguin42> hmm maybe it was the 'wireless display certification' I was thinking of
[23:48] <penguin42> Azelphur: On mine under settings->display and lights->cast screen   do you have that?
[23:49] <Azelphur> penguin42: in Android settings? Yea I have that, that's for screen casting
[23:49] <Azelphur> but you can't really stream video over that, it's low framerate and choppy
[23:49] <penguin42> ah
[23:49] <Azelphur> it's not designed to do video
[23:50] <Azelphur> so yea, that was gripe #1
[23:51] <daftykins> i'm surprised it's giving you grief, everyone touts those things as the best since sliced bread
[23:51] <Azelphur> daftykins: exactly, that's why I bought a couple
[23:51] <Azelphur> but honestly I'm regretting the purchase, the only thing it's useful for is screencasting and youtube
[23:51] <Azelphur> and youtube Kodi already does, anyway. So it's pretty much just screen casting, and Miracast is better.
[23:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: I wonder if it expects some app installed or something being registered somehow to enable that button
[23:52] <Azelphur> penguin42: no idea, it's certainly not a update issue, my n5 is up to date, I've also tried it on a 4.4 N7 2012, and a Huawei Ascend Y300. None of them have the button present
[23:53] <penguin42> Azelphur: anything odd in the wifi setup on them?
[23:53] <daftykins> this may be quite dumb, but have you tried clearing the data and cache of the apps in question?
[23:53] <Azelphur> nope, standard Sky home setup.
[23:54] <Azelphur> daftykins: nope
[23:54] <daftykins> i tend to do that to sort out any android app woes i have
[23:55] <Azelphur> nope, after cache and data wipe button still isn't there - as I say if it was some kind of app issue it wouldn't be present on all 3 devices
[23:56] <Azelphur> so yea, tl;dr documentation is wrong, doesn't work.
[23:57] <daftykins> you raise a fair point there
[23:57] <daftykins> i've never touched one so don't really know how they function
[23:57] <daftykins> although lemme just go into the same apps on my Nexus 4
[23:57] <Azelphur> xD
[23:58] <Azelphur> oh the other rant I had about it, volume control was extremely laggy
[23:58] <Azelphur> press volume down - wait 20 seconds
[23:58] <daftykins> which incidentally became super unresponsive on the lock screen earlier, then promptly reset itself =|
[23:58] <Azelphur> and there was nothing wrong with the wifi, all in the same room as the router, and I could shove 5.6MB/sec over it
[23:59] <daftykins> well i have no device on my network so i guess mine is a moot point ;x
[23:59] <daftykins> but yeah i'm on a pic and i don't see the icon ;)
[23:59] <daftykins> i have it in youtube though since my youtube app is paired with my TV


[03:31] <TheProf> Hello.  I've asked over in the ltsp with no luck but since I'm using edubuntu I thought to ask here also - changes in my lts.conf is being ignored.  How can this be fixed please?
[06:43] <highvoltage> hi th<tab>
[20:19] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> How can I make an installer that offers KDE Plasma instead of Unity or GNOME ?
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> How ca this be achieved?


[18:59] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: FYI, petri-foo is going bye-bye, dropped from Debian, relies on gtk-2.


[05:25] <IRCMonkey_> does edubuntu have a live cd?
[05:26] <arkan0x> comming soon
[05:26] <arkan0x> xD
[05:26] <IRCMonkey_> shoot
[05:28] <IRCMonkey_> I was hoping the file warty-release-live-i386.iso  was it.
[05:29] <IRCMonkey_> I thought it might cool to let my 5 yr old son try GCompris
[05:58] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:59] <Burgundavia> too bad he left
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:48] <highvoltage> hi there
[03:49] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that gnome splash looks awesome
[03:49] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> i like it +1
[03:49] <highvoltage> i'm hoping on doing much more.
[06:29] <bluefrog-10> ogra have solved my problem of amd client. wasn't a processor pb, was network card problem
[06:29] <ogra> ahh
[06:29] <ogra> so no gremlins involved :)
[06:30] <bluefrog-10> integrated + 3com booting on integrated, it was then trying to get dhcp on 3com whicch was not connectd to network
[06:32] <bluefrog-10> and client amd with server 686 works ok (at last with ltsp on ubuntu - haven't tried with edubuntu though...)
[06:32] <ogra> its the same :)
[06:32] <bluefrog-10> guess so yeah
[06:33] <bluefrog-10> ogra i know you told me to google but am a bit desperate after hours of googling. If by chance you know a /etc/skel guru I'd be more than happy to have with him/her...
[06:34] <bluefrog-10> to have a chat...
[06:34] <ogra> i think highvoltage could be helpful here but he's not around
[06:34] <bluefrog-10> k ty
[11:06] <magnon> ogra: nice teachers pet!
[11:07] <magnon> I haven't downloaded, just looked through code
[11:07] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:07] <ogra> i'm waiting for elmo inspection to see it in dapper ....
[11:08] <magnon> hehe
[11:40] <khermans> im new to Edubuntu, but not Ubuntu
[11:40] <khermans> I would like to setup Edubuntu in a small computer lab
[11:40] <khermans> any tips?
[11:41] <magnon> just install and plug in clients ;9
[11:41] <magnon> ;)
[11:41] <ogra> hmm, wher's the topic gone...
[11:41] <khermans> magnon, we have one server and 15 workstations -- the workstations need to connect to the server as dumb terminals, and login to the server to access all the user files etc
[11:41] <ogra> tsk
[11:42] <ogra> khermans, see the EdubuntuInstallNotes wikipage from the topic :)
[11:42] <khermans> im there
[11:42] <ogra> great ...
[11:42] <khermans> so i should hit ENTER to setup the one server
[11:43] <khermans> and type workstation to setup all the thin clients?
[11:43] <ogra> nope
[11:43] <khermans> ?
[11:43] <ogra> you dont set up anything on the clients :)
[11:43] <ogra> thin clients are diskless
[11:43] <khermans> ogra, how do they talk to the server?
[11:44] <ogra> hey boot via PXE or etherboot ...
[11:44] <ogra> they even
[11:44] <khermans> ogra, these machines are old 233 machines -- dont think they have PXE boot
[11:44] <ogra> mount their / filesystem via nfs, start up an X server and thats it...
[11:44] <ogra> do they have floppies ?
[11:45] <khermans> ogra, no -- most are broken and some dont
[11:45] <khermans> they have USB
[11:45] <ogra> can they boot from usb ?
[11:45] <khermans> ogra, no :-*
[11:45] <ogra> hmm
[11:45] <khermans> but the students use the USB in place of floppies
[11:45] <khermans> for things like pen drives
[11:45] <ogra> yup
[11:46] <ogra> but that doesnt help here :)
[11:46] <khermans> hehe
[11:46] <khermans> they have CD-Roms
[11:46] <khermans> and can boot from them
[11:46] <ogra> you need either PXE or etherboot capable network cards
[11:46] <ogra> ah, great
[11:46] <ogra> http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/
[11:47] <ogra> see this page, create a boot iso for your network cards (enable the PXE emulation) and you are done
[11:47] <ogra> there is also a wikipage about it ...
[11:48] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe