[00:03] <work> y
[01:47] <Guest81> does anyone have any FOSS home printer recommendations? I looked at openprinting.org and there are alot of options. my current printer I cant find the wifi card to replace. I think it is by design.....
[01:52] <arraybolt3> Guest81: HP printers generally work well in my experience - I have two printers and one scanner that all Just Work with Ubuntu.
[01:53] <arraybolt3> They're all older models but still do their job.
[01:53] <oerheks> avoid canon
[01:53] <Guest81> i have an hp printer now. I cant find the wifi card to replace it... I am trying to adhere to driverless and foss (*cue eye rolls*)
[01:54] <oerheks> replacing wifi hardware? not an ubuntu issue
[02:05] <Guest81> im running ubuntu
[02:05] <Guest81> oerheks
[02:44] <baris> Hi, I have to kill nautilus frequently... How can I debug what may be the problem? 22.04.2
[03:05] <tomreyn> baris: why do you need to kill it - does it freeze? have you tried running it from a terminal, to maybe get to see some warnings when it stops working?
[03:07] <baris> tomreyn, spawned windows show that dialog box ... wait or kill
[03:07] <baris> new windows cannot be spawned at that time
[03:11] <tomreyn> baris: i do not know what "that dialog box is", since it's a GUI application, maybe post some screenshots? you can use imgur.com for example
[03:12] <tomreyn> do you have nautilus / gnomr file plugins installed?
[03:12] <baris> tomreyn, sorry I thought you could remember the dialog, when an app becomes non rsponsive...
[03:12] <tomreyn> *gnome
[03:13] <baris> tomreyn, not sure let me check
[03:13] <tomreyn> right, i know this dialog
[03:13] <tomreyn> does the dialog come up immediately after starting nautilus?
[03:13] <tomreyn> if not, what seems to trigger it?
[03:14] <baris> I just ran it from terminal. I do not have any logs in terminal but the window got non-responsive
[03:14] <baris> I do not have file plugins installed
[03:14] <baris> I have something in syslog, wait
[03:16] <baris> nautilus[286395]: Connecting to org.freedesktop.Tracker3.Miner.Files
[03:16] <baris> does this make sense, I have many lines from nautilus but this is the last
[03:16] <tomreyn> does this line get logged at the same time nautilus freezes?
 does the dialog come up immediately after starting nautilus?
[03:17] <baris> not sure about the first question, I can try the second one
[03:18] <tomreyn> maybe you can reproduce it, and keep a tail -f running on syslog (or journalctl -f)
[03:18] <baris> Answer ias no to the second question. I have tail -F /var/log/syslog open waiting for a freeze
[03:19] <baris> Sorry, no is for the first question...
[03:19] <tomreyn> so it doesn't freeze as a result of interacting with the application but at seemingly random times, without you touching nautilus, too?
[03:19] <baris> It does not immediately print tracker3... stuff
[03:24] <tomreyn> baris: try this: close nautilus. run    killall nautilus    in a terminal emulator. run    tracker3 reset --filesystem     in a terminal emulator. start nautilus again, and see whether this made any difference.
[03:24] <tomreyn> this is based on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/2554
[03:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 2554 in GNOME/nautilus "Nautilus freezes when searching" [Opened]
[03:27] <tomreyn> if the "tracker3" command above fails because the command is not available, you can run this instead there:    rm -r ~/.cache/tracker3
[03:27] <baris> tomreyn, thank you! I'll try. I verify that freeze happens right when it's trying to connect to Tracker.3.Miner.files
[03:27] <baris> which happens when I click on search icon
[03:27] <baris> and type
[03:28] <baris> rm -r ~/.cache/tracker3 did not help I already have tried that one
[03:28] <baris> as well as  rm -r ~/.cache/tracker
[03:28] <baris> which seems to be tracker2
[03:29] <tomreyn> so "tracker" is the file system indexing tool and index. i assume there's some systmed user service for tracker which nautilus connects to, to query the index.
[03:30] <tomreyn> if the index is corrupt or the tracker service stalled, this could lead to this apparent freeze
[03:30] <baris> tomreyn, reset --filesystem seems to have worked. I tried searching after the reset and did not observe any freze yet
[03:30] <baris> Thank you!
[03:31] <tomreyn> sweet, hope it stays this way.
[04:54] <xubuntu14d> I ned help
[04:54] <xubuntu14d> please
[04:55] <xubuntu14d> Help m
[04:55] <xubuntu14d> me
[04:55] <Bashing-om> !ask | xubuntu14d
[05:26] <luna__> Dear friends, I have noticed that sometimes I want to put a shortcut to a webpage on the desktop, using chrome. I notice that in Gnome,  the desktop files produced are/is useless and may be empty and has a really weird name.  I noticed that in MATE the shortcut file on the desktop is normal, works, and has the name of the page.  YOU MUST GET THIS FIXED.
[05:27] <luna__> luna is morgan
[05:28] <matsaman> morgan-acer: what about using chromium?
[05:30] <rbox> must!?
[05:30] <rbox> rofl
[06:21] <tomreyn> morgan-acer: you could file a bug report on this
[06:21] <tomreyn> !bug
[06:22] <xMopx> the consequences will never be the same !
[09:19] <aquery> Hello all, I got the dialogue "would you like to upgrade ubuntu to the latest version" and clicked upgrade. The upgrade attempt failed (went into a loop and crashed at some point)
[09:19] <aquery> After restarting, I have no X, but even worse - I have no network interfaces (apart from lo and some docker interfaces).
[09:20] <aquery> If I could get the network up, I think I stand a chance of rescueing this system, but I'm not sure how to get the network interfaces back.
[09:20] <aquery> Is there anyone who might be able to point me in the right direction?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> aquery: try to get into recoverymode with root shell and networking enabled
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> aquery: or try booting into a previous kernel from grub stage
[10:00] <usuario> hola
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> welcome usuario
[10:29] <litteulblack> Hello ^^
[10:30] <litteulblack> I have question
[10:31] <litteulblack> it is possible to create a tunnel with a VPS trougt wireguard and a webserver self hosted with my ISP
[10:31] <litteulblack> and have access on the webserver with ip address of VPS
[10:31] <litteulblack> thank you in advence for awnser
[10:31] <litteulblack> ^^
[10:32] <litteulblack> I found many articles about VPN but not to redirect all trafic
[10:51] <bleblux> hi all getting crazy trying to reach what nmap says is a filtered port from outside my 20.04.5 LTS
[10:51] <bleblux> sudo nmap localhost -p 8787
[10:51] <bleblux> Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-03-12 10:36 CET
[10:51] <bleblux> Nmap scan report for localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[10:51] <bleblux> Host is up (0.000043s latency).
[10:51] <bleblux> rDNS record for <IP_ADDRESS>: [machinename]
[10:51] <bleblux> PORT     STATE SERVICE
[10:58] <bleblux> hi all getting crazy trying to reach what nmap says is a filtered port from outside my 20.04.5 LTS. nmap from localhost says port is open but, when I do the nmap from outside the machine it says that the port is filtered. the port answers as expected when i try to reach it teleneting locally, but no answer when the telnet is done form outside the
[10:58] <bleblux> local machine, even with a computer in the same local network segment.
[10:59] <bleblux> no ufw installed
[10:59] <bleblux> iptables shows accept in the INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT
[11:01] <Guest375> I have installed ubuntu 20.04. Have Ubuntu One account. Facing some issues. Wanted to post my issue on https://ubuntuforums.org When I tried login with SSO, I get this error message -
[11:01] <Guest375>     The following errors occurred during your registration:
[11:01] <Guest375>     That username is already in use or does not meet the administrator's standards. If you are hsubuntu1 and you have forgotten your password, click here.
[11:02] <Guest375> why I am not able to login on ubuntuforums.org - login with sso not wkg for me.
[11:21] <ravage> Guest375: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230004
[11:23] <Guest375> I have already checked that. But WHY my existing SSO login is not working for forums ?
[11:23] <Guest375> Even not able to contact forum moderators .. :(
[11:24] <Guest375> it says, first login, only then I can contact moderators.
[11:25] <Guest375> is there any forums support email id ? where I can send email for help.
[11:31] <nb-ben> how would I configure gtk-3 touse the 256x256 version of Adwaita, for instance?
[11:31] <nb-ben> gtk-cursor-theme-size doesn't seem to have any effect
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:54] <valued-customer> Howdy y'all.  I have just been confronted with locked files when attempting to upgrade and update as root.  As a new user, I am concerned about security, and would appreciate some guidance.
[13:56] <tomreyn> hi. can you show the errors you ran into, as text on a pastebin or screenshots on an image board?
[13:57] <valued-customer> You mean not paste the text here?
[13:57] <tomreyn> ideally with any context, such as which commands you ran or what you did that may have triggered it
[13:58] <tomreyn> right, you can pipe text into   | nc termbin.com 9999   and get a url that way
[13:58] <tomreyn> or copy and paste it to dpaste.com
[13:58] <tomreyn> then submit it there and copy and paste just the url here
[13:59] <aquery> Hello all, I had to reinstall my laptop due to a botched upgrade attempt. I've backed up my home directory and copied it back when the fresh install was completed. But my side panel doesn't look like it used to. What file has the settings for the side panel?
[13:59] <valued-customer> tomreyn can you provide the specific syntax of the command I need to use to | copied text?
[14:00] <valued-customer> I am not competent to write such commands
[14:00] <tomreyn> valued-customer: if you help me with this: what's the command you were running that triggered the error message.
[14:00] <valued-customer> sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt update
[14:00] <bratner> aquery, i'm guessing here but it maybe ~/.config directory
[14:01] <tomreyn> my guess, too
[14:02] <bratner> valued-customer, what happens if you run: "sudo apt update" again?
[14:02] <aquery> bratner: ~/.config is a big place. Inside it there's only one good candidate: dconf/. It contains only one (binary) file and I've imported it, but it still doesn't work.
[14:02] <tomreyn> valued-customer: okay, can you run this: (sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -ys ) &> /tmp/apt && nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/apt
[14:02] <valued-customer> it ran, and all files are up to date
[14:03] <valued-customer> bratner it ran, and all files are reported up to date
[14:04] <valued-customer> I do not see that it interacted with the locked files reported when I used the && command
[14:05] <bratner> valued-customer, command1 && command2 means "run command1 and if it succeeds run command2"
[14:06] <tomreyn> valued-customer: that's in response to my command? let's try ignoring errors so the paste gets online. try this: (sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade -ys ) &> /tmp/apt; nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/apt
[14:08] <valued-customer> tomreyn I apologize for not @'ing you specifically when replying.  N00b mistake.  I have run sudo apt update again, and it completed without error, per @bratner's suggestion.  I will now run the command you have specified.
[14:09] <tomreyn> valued-customer: no need for @, but you can mention me with just "tomreyn" as you did.
[14:09] <cyborg> hey
[14:10] <tomreyn> hi cyborg
[14:10] <tomreyn> valued-customer: okay, you should get a termbin url this time
[14:10] <valued-customer> tomreyn https://termbin.com/jh27w
[14:11] <cyborg> I was here on Pop os just saw this chat I never used this before and thought to see what it is
[14:11] <cyborg> I never knew it existed
[14:12] <tomreyn> valued-customer: there seems to be no error, but the second command was just simulated. let's try actually running itthis time: (sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade -y ) &> /tmp/apt; nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/apt
[14:13] <tomreyn> aquery: did you install the same ubuntu version you used to have when you created the backup?
[14:14] <valued-customer> tomreyn nc: getaddrinfo for host "ttermbin.com" port 9999: Name or service not known
[14:14] <valued-customer> oops.  Nm
[14:14] <tomreyn> aquery: is it even the same graphical desktop (gnome-shell + mutter) you used to have?
[14:15] <Jeremy31> valued-customer: only one t in termbin.com
[14:15] <valued-customer> tomreyn https://termbin.com/trop0
[14:15] <valued-customer> Jeremy31 Yes, I only noticed after I pasted the result here.
[14:16] <tomreyn> valued-customer: you should be abele to copy and paste to and from the terminal emulator (probably gnome-terminal), so don't actually need to type these commands
[14:16] <tomreyn> valued-customer: in gnome-terminal, you'll need to ctrl-shift-c /-v (not just ctrl-c/-v)
[14:16] <valued-customer> tomreyn I seem unable to copy from text here using Hexchat, so type commands out.
[14:17] <tomreyn> valued-customer: oh hexchat is special, you just mark text with the mouse then press middle mouse where you want to paste it
[14:17] <tomreyn> valued-customer: the output shows no error message or warning about locks
[14:18] <valued-customer> tomreyn i see no errors in the output, but also see no interaction with the reported locked files that prompted my concern
[14:18] <tomreyn> the commands i had you run are effectively    sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade
[14:18] <valued-customer> tomreyn yes, I understand
[14:18] <tomreyn> which locked files are or were reported?
[14:19] <valued-customer> tomreyn Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[14:19] <valued-customer> that was the first of four error messages I received
[14:19] <tomreyn> and this is still happening now?
[14:19] <leftyfb> tomreyn: it was probably just unattended-upgrades
[14:19] <valued-customer> tomreyn I have not seen the error messages again.
[14:19] <tomreyn> you would see this message is you ran apt without sudo
[14:20] <tomreyn> so i'm guessing you maybe just forgot you need sudo for apt update and upgrade commands
[14:20] <leftyfb> or that
[14:21] <KeeperoftheKeys> I have a weird issue not sure where to raise it.... I configured my laptop to use secure boot and it uses the Canonical key for that just fine, for DKMS modules (VirtualBox) I created another key and I manually added it with mokutil, it works fine for a while and then the key disappears from the enrolled list
[14:21] <valued-customer> tomreyn I note that I did indeed missreport using sudo after the && in the original command.  I apologize for taking your valuable time, and appreciate your kind consideration in enabling my understanding
[14:21] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i think you'd see a different error message when the lock file was put there by some other apt process, but not 100% sure
[14:22] <tomreyn> valued-customer: you're welcome, no problem ;)
[14:23] <KeeperoftheKeys> (running Ubuntu 22.10, considering upgrading to 23.04 already due to issues with standby, Ryzen 4700U, LUKS encrypted nvme storage)
[14:23] <tomreyn> valued-customer: because this came out wrong earlier somewhere: make sure you first run "apt update", then "apt upgrade" (or better yet, "apt full-upgrade"), not the other way around
[14:23] <tomreyn> both with sudo though
[14:24] <valued-customer> tomreyn thank you.  I seem to have missordered the commands.  I will endeavor to keep the order correct going forward
[14:24] <tomreyn> KeeperoftheKeys: try a bios upgrade first, and this:
[14:24] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi | KeeperoftheKeys
[14:25] <KeeperoftheKeys> Bios is already the newest version that was released (over a year old by now but not holding my breath for Asus)
[14:25] <tomreyn> valued-customer: alright, you can also do this using the GUI if you prefer / it's easier for now. on the other hand, it's good that you're learning your way around the terminal
[14:26] <tomreyn> the shell rather
[14:26] <KeeperoftheKeys> ubotto: that is a very interesting idea, will definitely have a look at that :)
[14:26] <KeeperoftheKeys> I wish I still had S3 sleep
[14:26] <valued-customer> tomreyn when I allow the gui to attempt to update my system, it reports that I have no available space on the drive.
[14:26] <tomreyn> !cookie | ubottu
[14:27] <valued-customer> tomreyn however, I am able to update and upgrade using the terminal
[14:27] <KeeperoftheKeys> what about disappearing MOK keys?
[14:27] <tomreyn> valued-customer: hmm, maybe your /boot file system is a bit small. whihc ubuntu release did you say you have there?
[14:27] <valued-customer> tomreyn ubuntu 20.04 lts
[14:32] <leftyfb> valued-customer: please run the following command and paste the resulting URL here:   ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; df -h / ; df -h /boot ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:32] <tomreyn> valued-customer: what does this report?  grep COMPRESS /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[14:33] <valued-customer> tomreyn # COMPRESS: [ gzip | bzip2 | lz4 | lzma | lzop | xz ]
[14:33] <valued-customer> COMPRESS=lz4
[14:33] <tomreyn> KeeperoftheKeys: to me it's not clear what you're asking regarding 'disappearing MOK keys'.
[14:33] <tomreyn> (i know what MOKs are)
[14:34] <valued-customer> leftyfb https://termbin.com/g8q9i
[14:35] <leftyfb> valued-customer: apt list --installed |grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:35] <valued-customer> leftyfb WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[14:35] <valued-customer> https://termbin.com/c930w
[14:36] <tomreyn> valued-customer: unfortunately the installer creates a rather small /boot file system, and you can't really resize it post-install if you use (almost) full disk encryption, as you seem to be  doing.
[14:37] <leftyfb> valued-customer: sudo apt remove --purge linux-image-5.15.0-60-generic && sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[14:38] <valued-customer> leftyfb just to be sure I understand, this command will remove the older 5.15 image and install the new 20.04 image?
[14:40] <leftyfb> valued-customer: actually, I just checked, you are already running the latest kernel
[14:40] <leftyfb> so I'm not sure why your system would be complaining about space
[14:41] <valued-customer> leftyfb I am also unaware of any substantive reason for the error, as I seem to have sufficient space presently
[14:42] <tomreyn> usually when upgrading the kernel, the new initrd gets created first, then the old one removed
[14:42] <valued-customer> leftyfb So, I have not run the purge && install command, as I understood you to confirm I am presently running the correct version.
[14:43] <tomreyn> that way you can run into a situation where temporarily, little or even not enough disk space can be available on /boot
[14:43] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they're running the latest kernel, I see no reason why we should be touching /boot at all unless we're just regenerating initrd, at which point it shouldn't be complaining about space
[14:43] <tomreyn> the best way to solve that would be to ensure there is space for three kernels and initrds
[14:43] <valued-customer> tomreyn is it possible my reversal of the order of update and upgrade commands has caused this error message to persist?
[14:44] <leftyfb> valued-customer: unrelated
[14:44] <valued-customer> leftyfb I see
[14:44] <KeeperoftheKeys> tomreyn: I enrolled a MOK key that I sign my DKMS modules with but every once in a while it "magically" (and extremely frustratingly) disappears from the enrolled key list forcing me to do another reboot to re-enroll the key
[14:45] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'm thinking of this scenario: valued-customer was running an outdated kernel image, had that and the older one installed, as usual. then apt noticed there is a kernel update, installed that and generated the initrd, which resulted in too little space on /boot until the oldest kernel + initrd was removed.
[14:45] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they're running the latest kernel
[14:45] <tomreyn> valued-customer: no, this won't be related
[14:45] <valued-customer> tomreyn thanks
[14:46] <leftyfb> valued-customer: ( sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade 2>&1 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:46] <tomreyn> leftyfb: right, and they're not seeing the "out of space" message anymore, i would think. maybe the "little space left" message is still present
[14:46] <tomreyn> (because thats the case)+
[14:46] <leftyfb> oh wait, we're troubleshooting a past message that we can't reproduce?
[14:47] <valued-customer> leftyfb https://termbin.com/vput
[14:47] <leftyfb> well that didn't work out the way it should have
[14:47] <leftyfb> valued-customer: I think you are good to go now
[14:47] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i don'T know this for sure. valued-customer mentioned receiving a warning or error about insufficient disk space during past GUI updates.
[14:47] <valued-customer> tomreyn No, I am currently told the GUI cannot update my system when it tries to do so, and can only update and upgrade via the terminal presently
[14:48] <tomreyn> valued-customer: so that's still the case when you try to update on the GUI now?
[14:48] <valued-customer> tomreyn correct.
[14:48] <tomreyn> valued-customer: hmm, weird, can you post a screenshot?
[14:48] <valued-customer> It just happened which prompted my attempt to update and upgrade via the terminal.
[14:49] <tomreyn> leftyfb: apt takes too long to run on most systems, you'll need to dumpt the output to a temp file and make nc read from there. i posted the command above, we went over this, yet
[14:49] <valued-customer> tomreyn I do not know how to instigate the GUI to attempt to update the system.  It just does so at regular intervals.
[14:50] <tomreyn> valued-customer: ah, you can run this from a terminal emulator : update-manager -c
[14:51] <KeeperoftheKeys> Is github having issues?
[14:52] <leftyfb> KeeperoftheKeys: that would be a question for ##github and is unrelated to ubuntu
[14:53] <valued-customer> Huh.  I found the Software Updater in the Applications menu, and ran it.  It proceeded to update without reporting errors.  I then selected Upgrade, but canceled when it offered to install 22.04, because I don't want to fix anything no broken.
[14:53] <valued-customer> tomreyn
[14:54] <KeeperoftheKeys> join /#github
[14:54] <KeeperoftheKeys> doh
[14:54] <tomreyn> valued-customer: so i assume the errors are gone for now
[14:54] <tomreyn> i also assume they will return :-/
[14:55] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/1959971 should fix this for future installations
[14:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1959971 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Jammy) "[FFE] increase /boot partition size" [High, Triaged]
[14:56] <valued-customer> tomreyn I believe so, after using terminal it seems there is no longer a space issue.  I also am confident the problem will reoccur when the scheduled GUI update does.  I will see if I can take a screenshot then, and perhaps can discover the genesis of the error thereafter
[14:58] <valued-customer> tomreyn, leftyfb, and bratner, I thank you for your kindness and help
[14:59] <tomreyn> valued-customer: i'm pretty sure what i discussed earlier with leftyfb is what is the cause of the messages: you normally have two kernel images and initrd's (a small file linux user space which is used for e.g. unlocking your encrypted file systems), and that's when you have your /boot filled by 72% as seen at https://termbin.com/g8q9i
[15:00] <tomreyn> when apt or the gui apt updater then detects that a new kernel image is available, it will attempt to install that additionally, but it won't fit anymore on your 704 MB /boot, thus triggering these errors.
[15:01] <tomreyn> you can, after these errors occurred, use    sudo apt update && sudo apt --purge --autoremove install      which should remove the outdated kernel and make room to complete installation of the newer one.
[15:01] <valued-customer> tomreyn I can but assume that makes sense, as I have little understanding of how this process works.
[15:02] <tomreyn> the --purge --autoremove will ensure the oldest kernel image is removed and then installing the newer one can actually succeed, because enough space will be available again.
[15:03] <AzertyUA> Test
[15:03] <AzertyUA> Hehe this work
[15:03] <tomreyn> AzertyUA: could you please run your tests in #tests
[15:03] <AzertyUA> ok
[15:03] <valued-customer> tomreyn then purging with that command now will enable the next GUI update cycle to complete without error?
[15:04] <tomreyn> AzertyUA: thanks. if you have an ubuntu support question, this is the right place, however.
[15:04] <tomreyn> valued-customer: no, because apt keeps the current and the previous kernel image installed by default, even when you specificy these options
[15:05] <tomreyn> valued-customer: that's a safety mechanism because you will always be able to use the grub menu to boot into the older kernel in case a newer one does not work for some reason
[15:06] <tomreyn> a fresh install with current installation media should hopefully get you a larger /boot though
[15:06] <valued-customer> tomreyn So, only upon the initial error when the GUI attempts and fails to update will that command be able to rectify the error?  I will endeavor to remember to seek advice prior to using terminal to update at that time, if that is the case.
[15:07] <tomreyn> valued-customer: that's correct
[15:07] <valued-customer> tomreyn tyvm
[15:08] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:09] <tomreyn> i suggest you consider a fresh install of 20.04 LTS or 22.04 LTS at some point to get this issue solved.
[15:12] <valued-customer> tomreyn as I am not a competent coder, or competent linux user, I recall the horrors of fresh installs wiping out settings M$ inflicted on me many times.  It is this that causes me to be hesitant to fix anything that is remotely functional.
[15:14] <valued-customer> It is a trifle to resort to the terminal to successfully update the system - if I could do so successfully LOL
[15:18] <tomreyn> valued-customer: you're hopefully backing up any data meaningful to you. usually, that's at least /home and /etc
[15:19] <tomreyn> if you just retore those to a new installation of the same major ubuntu release (so 20.04.x LTS), thngs should just work again like they used to, with the exception of applications missing which you had installed.
[15:21] <tomreyn> (you can also store which ones were installed and reinstall them when recovering backups, but it's a bit more involved)
[15:21] <valued-customer> tomreyn I do have a 10T external drive I acquired for the purpose.  However, when I attempted to backup my old M$ computer, I found it did not operate as I expected a normal HD would, and created some kind of file that did not make the backed up data available to the linux file management system.  I have been discouraged thereby.
[15:22] <valued-customer> I have not ascertained how to use wifi to network the two computers, and so am prevented from accessing the data on the M$ system I would like to have available to the new linux system.
[15:22] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't know what may have gone wrong there exactly. maybe there was a file system on the disk which was not mounted writable, or could not be mounted at all, or there just was no file system on the disk
[15:24] <tomreyn> if you want to exchange data between a windows and ubuntu system (two separate systems which can run simultaniously), then the easiest option is to setup an openssh-server on ubuntu and use winscp on windows
[15:25] <tomreyn> cou can also setup an openssh server on current windows versions, though, it's available as an optional installation component
[15:26] <tomreyn> then access thatusing nautilus (GNOME Files) on ubuntu
[15:27] <tomreyn> a third option are windows file system shares (cifs/Sambe), but that's a bit involved to setup
[15:27] <valued-customer> tomreyn I don't know. It's just an Easystore 10T drive.  I hoped it would make it facile to simply plug into the M$ box, transfer files, and then plug it into the linux box and transfer files, but when I attempted to transfer media files not all of them would end up on the 10T drive, so only some of them were available to the linux system.
[15:28] <valued-customer> tomreyn I am quite unfamiliar with any of the listed possibilities for networking, and reckon I should do some reading based on your suggestions.
[15:28] <tomreyn> no idea what may have gone wrong there...
[15:28] <hans_> think i found a bug in the ubuntu 18.04 libmysqlclient-dev installer: /usr/bin/mysql_config is not +x by default, i have to run chmod +x /usr/bin/mysql_config
[15:31] <hans_> hmm no, seems i got another problem, maybe with $PATH, nvm
[15:32] <tomreyn> hans_: right. /usr/bin/mysql_config is executable by default. and on my 18.04 LTS system it is also available in the path by default.
[15:32] <tomreyn> $ which mysql_config
[15:36] <hans_> tomreyn: thanks for checking
[15:37] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:53] <bratner> It seems like ubuntu source packages are an upstream source tar and a set of ubuntu patches. How can I replicate the way the upstream source tar was created?
[15:53] <bratner> Specifically i wonder how this file was generated: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qemu/qemu_4.2.orig.tar.xz
[15:56] <tomreyn> bratner: most likely by     wget https://download.qemu.org/qemu-4.2.0.tar.xz
[15:57] <tomreyn> -O qemu_4.2.orig.tar.xz
[15:57] <bratner> tomreyn, hmm... so there is no interfacing with the upstream( e.g: qemu) git repo?
[15:58] <tomreyn> not sure, but the checksums on these files match
[15:58] <tomreyn> you'd need to look into the build recipes on launchpad for more details
[15:59] <bratner> oh.. they do
[16:01] <bratner> tomreyn, but they do take patches from qemu git, or are those just ubuntu integration patches? Do you happen to know how I find the build recipes on lunchpad?
[16:04] <bratner> I think i found something: https://code.launchpad.net/qemu/+recipes
[16:04] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/qemu tracks upstream and then there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu for ubuntu integration
[17:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I find out if my machine has hplip installed? I got a hp printer as a present. hplip: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/
[17:25] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: apt-cache policy hplip
[17:26] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thank you. now, to test the printer!
[17:27] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: you can also use:  apt list --installed hplip
[17:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> my new printer is 12 years old, apparently
[17:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> beggars cant be choosers I guess
[18:37] <theorem> curious
[18:38] <theorem> I installed ubuntu on a new hard drive in a machine.  Now I want to add the old hard drive back to do a dual-boot scenario.
[18:38] <theorem> how do I add the win7 drive as a boot option in grub ?
[18:44] <alkisg> theorem: run this: sudo -i; GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false >>/etc/default/grub.d/local.cfg; update-grub
[18:54] <alkisg> * I forgot an "echo" before the GRUB_DISABLE...
[19:27] <kostkon> !split
[20:01] <linux_dream> hi people, my mother has filled her ssd disk, her ubuntu pc won't fully boot. she can access a tty by pressing on ctrl alt F4  , from which I guided her into some of her folders with the hopes to remove some videos or something
[20:02] <linux_dream> but we're not making progress as to which file is taking up so much space (250 Gb)
[20:02] <linux_dream> is there a command line tool that could assist us ?
[20:02] <linux_dream> obviously she cannot install anything else.  disk is 100% filled
[20:02] <rbox> ncdu
[20:02] <rbox> plain du works too
[20:06] <linux_dream> thank you
[20:59] <jhutchins> Booting to rescue mode from grub also doesn't try to log to the disk.
[21:00] <jhutchins> Logrotate can help too, but he gone.
[21:01] <wingarmac> Greetings, due to some other software I messed with my repo keys on host1.  I have host1 and host to on the same lan with the same user account. How du I sinc their respective repos and keyrings ? Ubuntu 22.04 lts
[21:01] <wingarmac> without this apt-key deprecated error on my host1
[21:02] <jhutchins> !apt-key
[21:02] <oerheks> indeed deprecated
[21:03] <wingarmac> So since I've no eroor on host2 and they have the same repos and keys, how can I sinchronise the hosts for these informations ?
[21:03] <jhutchins> oerheks: What replaced it?
[21:04] <wingarmac> a bash script I tested to replace the deprecated keys all at once.
[21:04] <wingarmac> Since I've deleted every info related to try to restore it from the other host
[21:05] <oerheks> jhutchins, nothing, there are tutors how to handle those like this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-handle-apt-key-and-add-apt-repository-deprecation-using-gpg-to-add-external-repositories-on-ubuntu-22-04
[21:05] <oerheks> copy /usr/share/keyrings to the new account?
[21:07] <oerheks> or; wget -qO- https://repo/key.asc | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/reponame-key.asc
[21:07] <wingarmac> I need the keys and the repos so I will need /usr/share/keyrings and /apt/sources.list and /apt/sources.list.d/* how to cover all the needs to a tar and send them with ssh to user@ip
[21:08] <wingarmac> I would like to not forget any source and be able to extract into the right folder afterwards.
[21:08] <oerheks> only keys published on launchpad are accepted by add-apt-repository
[21:08] <wingarmac> is there a command to get the keys back from the official repos itself ?
[21:09] <oerheks> or; curl -sL https://repo/pubkey.gpg | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /usr/share/keyrings/repo.gpg >/dev/null
[21:09] <oerheks> wingarmac, sure, if you know what guide/url you used.
[21:09] <wingarmac> oerheks can you translate the command for ubuntu 22.04 jammy ?
[21:09] <oerheks> official - published on launchpad, unofficial see above
[21:10] <akik> what process is responsible for the useless "system problem detected" that appears sometimes on login?
[21:10] <oerheks> akik whoopsie?
[21:10] <akik> oerheks: yea i'm asking
[21:10] <oerheks> whoopsie it is.
[21:10] <akik> thanks
[21:11] <wingarmac> oerheks I've both to set back. I should start with the official ubuntu 22.04 lts repos and multiverse.
[21:11] <oerheks> copy /usr/share/keyrings to the new account?
[21:11] <wingarmac> will this suffise ?
[21:12] <oerheks> weird that you messed those up
[21:12] <oerheks> yes, i guess so
[21:12] <wingarmac> well the script did mess up with all files in /etc/apt
[21:12] <theorem> did lninux_dream leave ?
[21:12] <theorem> *linux
[21:13] <theorem> because the other thing to check is emptying the trash --- it's non-intuitive , and trash is in a dotfolder -- which can be irnogred by du if you are not careful
[21:13] <theorem> alkisg: k, trying ..
[21:14] <wingarmac> oerheks  This was the script I've tried to apply https://github.com/wingarmac/wingarmac/blob/main/convert_keys.sh
[21:16] <theorem> alkisg: ok, no joy on that command, good idea though
[21:18] <oerheks> wingarmac, i hope you still can login, as that script might messed up more than just repokeys..
[21:18] <theorem> alkisg: I have ubuntu booting with uefi , and it *Seems* like the win7 drive wants me to use the legacy boot option to start -- but ... I can't seem to figure out how to get the grub bootloaded to load the older legacy style boot ...
[21:18] <theorem> os_prober does not seem to find it -- not sure why ?!
[21:18] <akik> how do i change the keyboard shortcut for "switch to next tab" in gnome terminal (ubuntu 22.10) the shortcut list just shows what the current shortcut is for that
[21:18] <theorem> ctrl+tab ?
[21:18] <akik> ctrl+pageup/down
[21:18] <oerheks> theorem, os-prober is disabled, due to security risks...
[21:19] <theorem> oerheks: yes, of course
[21:19] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[21:19] <Jeremy31> theorem: With 2 HDDs you might need a custom grub entry for legacy
[21:19] <theorem> Jeremy31: happy to write it -- where am I editing ?  /etc/grub.conf ?
[21:19] <oerheks> GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub
[21:19] <wingarmac> oerheks apt install --reinstall ubuntu-keyring debian-archive-keyring This solved the problem with the official keys
[21:20] <theorem> oerheks: have done so , it still does not appear to find the os
[21:20] <oerheks> and update-grub
[21:21] <theorem> oerheks: ok, have done, but how can I see what it has added ?
[21:21] <theorem> the update
[21:22] <theorem> I want to see the kernel boot params -- for example
[21:22] <Jeremy31> theorem: current ones can be seen with> cat /proc/cmdline
[21:23] <theorem> Jeremy31: no, want to see grub config
[21:23] <Jeremy31> theorem: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:23] <oerheks> after update grub, your  /boot/grub/grub.cfg should show windows? i have no windows to check
[21:23] <oerheks> ?
[21:24] <oerheks> !grub
[21:24] <theorem> oerheks: checking
[21:25] <ravage> update-grub also outputs something like "Found Windows Boot Manager on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if it worked
[21:25] <theorem> ravage: I was not presented wit hthat
[21:25] <akik> theorem: i found more info here https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/adv-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en but gnome terminal preferences don't allow me to put ctrl+tab for switch to next tab
[21:25] <ravage> then it did not detect your windows installation
[21:26] <theorem> ravage: correct
[21:26] <theorem> oerheks: https://termbin.com/mim00
[21:26] <alkisg> theorem: it's not possible to select between uefi and bios mode from grub. It needs to be done from the bios boot manager, not grub
[21:26] <alkisg> Change ubuntu to bios too.
[21:27] <ravage> sudo os-prober
[21:27] <theorem> alkisg: must I boot windows with the legacy method if I'm already handing off to UEFI to grub ?  Seems like a flaw ..
[21:27] <ravage> is called by update-grub
[21:27] <theorem> ravage: I've done this already, nothing.
[21:27] <ravage> you can run it manually too. make sure you have the ntfs-3g package installed
[21:27] <akik> ctrl+tab works in firefox though
[21:27] <oerheks> theorem, both should be installed in uefi mode, ofcourse
[21:28] <theorem> oerheks: they are not.
[21:28] <ravage> does win7 even support efi?
[21:28] <theorem> no
[21:28] <theorem> https://termbin.com/0m63n
[21:28] <oerheks> win7 is EOL, why bother?
[21:28] <theorem> there's the drive, sda
[21:29] <theorem> oerheks: the OS has a software license attached to it worth a few thousand dollars (still).
[21:29] <Jeremy31> theorem: Might need to use a BIOS boot menu to switch between Ubuntu/Windows in this case
[21:29] <ravage> theorem: https://askubuntu.com/a/629733
[21:30] <ravage> you can manually add it
[21:30] <oerheks> Jeremy31 +1 ... or put windows7 in a VM
[21:30] <theorem> yeah, I tried it as a VM, it did boot, but it complain about a lot of hardware changes, then told me to go fix it with other tools ...
[21:30] <theorem> so, the VM route was VERY close.
[21:31] <alkisg> theorem: yes it's a flaw in Windows but there's nothing that grub can do about it
[21:31] <theorem> Jeremy31: giving that a try, looks promising
[21:33] <alkisg> theorem: Ubuntu doesn't have that problem though so it's easy to switch it to bios mode
[21:34] <wingarmac> oerheks https://termbin.com/gm8xf here's my last output of apt update (I've my own mirror coverring the packages for ubuntu 22.04 LTS amd64 and my personal 3th party software mirrored.)
[21:34] <theorem> alkisg: yes, hang on a sec, might have it ..
[21:34] <theorem> bbiab
[21:35] <akik> my ctrl and pageup/down are on totally different sides of the keyboard. how is this ergonomical to force users to use that key combo to switch tabs?
[21:36] <arraybolt3> switch tabs? In what program?
[21:36] <akik> arraybolt3: gnome-terminal and mate-terminal
[21:37] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing your system doesn't have a right ctrl key.
[21:37] <akik> i have both a left *and* right ctrl key :I)
[21:37] <arraybolt3> If the key combo is ctrl+pageup/down, why not use right ctrl?
[21:37] <akik> you're kidding right
[21:38] <arraybolt3> I mean it's no more difficult that Alt+Tab on the keyboards I have, maybe even easier.
[21:38] <akik> no it's not
[21:38] <ravage> akik: you can change the shortcuts to whatever you like
[21:38] <akik> ravage: show me how
[21:39] <akik> ravage: nothing happens when i press ctrl+tab in the preferences/shortcuts
[21:39] <ravage> for gnome terminal: preferences -> shortcuts. click on the one you want to change. enter new shortcuts
[21:39] <leftyfb> akik: you're complaining about a hotkey in an application being non-ergonomical because the keys are on opposite sites of the keyboard. It's been pointed out to you that all the keys are in fact on the same side of the keyboard but that's still not good enough. What is the issue exactly?
[21:39] <akik> leftyfb: i want to use the left side ctrl+tab to switch tabs
[21:39] <akik> as i do in plasma and firefox every day
[21:39] <leftyfb> akik: ok, so change it
[21:40] <akik> leftyfb: the preferences/shortcuts doesn't allow it. nothing happens when i press ctrl+tab there
[21:40] <ravage> i guess that is already occupied by gnome as global shortcut
[21:40] <ravage> you would need to change that first
[21:41] <akik> the preferences/shortcuts allows me to put the original shortcut ctrl+pageup/down for it
[21:41] <leftyfb> akik: file a bug with gnome-terminal
[21:41] <leftyfb> !bug | akik
[21:41] <akik> ravage: in the preferences of gnome somewhere or dconf?
[21:48] <CeeClear> ollo
[21:50] <akik> leftyfb: this fixed it https://askubuntu.com/questions/1362653/change-shortcut-to-switch-tab-in-gnome-terminal/1362715#1362715
[21:50] <akik> now i need the same fix for mate
[21:51] <akik> legacy <3
[21:52] <akik> i found the similar place in dconf-editor: /org/mate/terminal/keybindings but i don't know why that doesn't come active if i change those
[21:52] <akik> lol
[21:53] <akik> there's actually i kid you not "ctrl-tab-switch-tabs" in /org/mate/terminal/global
[21:53] <akik> problem solved by enabling that
[21:53] <akik> :)
[21:54] <akik> now they show up as "Invalid" in mate-terminals keyboard shortcuts
[21:55] <CeeClear> have a question. Whenever I try to burn a iso file with Brasero I get this error message SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 "Illegal request", ASC 21 ASCQ 04."
[21:56] <CeeClear> Does anyone know the reason why or dealt with this before
[21:57] <ravage> CeeClear: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/1964554
[21:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1964554 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero does not burn ISO IMAGE. Error message;  'SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 'Illegal request'" [Undecided, New]
[21:59] <ravage> first of all try a newer Ubuntu release. 18.04 is on its way to EOL
[22:01] <CeeClear> Is there a solution in that comment ravage ???
[22:02] <ravage> the comments in the bug report dont offer any solution yet i think
[22:04] <leftyfb> CeeClear: 18.04 will be EOL in 33 days. I would upgrade to 22.04 before it does or else the upgrade process gets more difficult. Though at this point, I would recommend a fresh install of 22.04
[22:07] <akik> CeeClear: at which speed do you burn it?
[22:10] <akik> CeeClear: i've had good success with k3b, some years ago
[22:10] <CeeClear> akik  I have it set to 16X
[22:10] <akik> CeeClear: try a slower speed maybe
[22:11] <akik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b seems to be updated
[22:14] <carl_> @akik . Nope that didn't work
[22:15] <akik> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=k3b&searchon=names&suite=kinetic&section=all
[23:09] <FKAShinobi> Does anyone know what this is about - Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/home/xxxxxx/Downloads/net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.6.3-1_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[23:09] <Jeremy31> FKAShinobi: Trying to run from Firefox?
[23:10] <ravage> it is telling you exactly why really
[23:10] <FKAShinobi> Jeremy31: downloaded with FF. using shell to install
[23:10] <ravage> usually apt install in a sandbox with user _apt
[23:10] <FKAShinobi> file has perms 775
[23:10] <ravage> your file cant be read by that user
[23:10] <ravage> so it does not use the sandbox
[23:11] <FKAShinobi> So why would it not be able to read it with perms of 775?
[23:11] <ravage> it does not affect the installation at att
[23:11] <ravage> all
[23:11] <ravage> so you can just ignore it
[23:11] <FKAShinobi> ah ok
[23:12] <FKAShinobi> For my own edification, is there something I need to do to stop the error, or is it something the package maintainer must do?
[23:13] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1411661/ubuntu-22-04-video-download-helper-cant-ever-find-its-companion-app
[23:13] <oerheks> good luck with that
[23:25] <FKAShinobi> oerheks: works great for me so far


[02:44] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: that's actually an intresting model, unoffical android port
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> i charged it and it has windows on it but the touch screen isnt working
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> if i plug it in the usb it gets a network connection tho
[02:47] <cyberanger> hmm, what's on it now
[02:47] <chibihogoshino> windows mobile
[02:49] <cyberanger> you happen to know the version?
[02:49] <chibihogoshino> no
[02:49] <chibihogoshino> it dosnt say anything else when booting it up
[02:50] <cyberanger> there are some driver issues on it, left out hardware acceleration support
[02:50] <cyberanger> idk if the touchscreen issue is hw or sw, though
[02:51] <cyberanger> but I ususally keep to hardware keys myself anyhow
[02:51] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:52] <chibihogoshino> i dont know if it has the option for hard ware keys to unlock it
[02:53] <cyberanger> unlock it?
[02:53] <cyberanger> you mean unlock the screen
[02:53] <cyberanger> ?
[02:54] <chibihogoshino> yeah  the screen
[02:55] <cyberanger> AT&T Tilt, who knows
[02:55] <cyberanger> that phone has 4 revisions
[02:55] <cyberanger> 2 of which AT&T bought
[02:56] <chibihogoshino> damn
[02:58] <chibihogoshino> i wonder if it has a key combo to bypass the lock
[03:04] <cyberanger> maybe
[03:05] <cyberanger> or maybe a switch in the monitor, open close
[03:08] <chibihogoshino> yeah thats what people said but it dosnt do anything when i flip open the screen
[03:20] <cyberanger> yeah, it'd be a nice one to fix
[14:58] <wrst> Xpistos: mornign
[14:59] <Xpistos> morning sir
[15:03] <wrst> how you doing?
[15:21] <vychune> morning
[15:28] <wrst> woot off, www.woot.com
[15:29] <wrst> morning vychune
[15:29] <Xpistos> isn't it down right now
[15:29] <vychune> how are you guys this morning
[15:29] <vychune> im on it so i guess not
[15:30] <Xpistos> okay yeah it is up now
[15:30] <wrst> no Xpistos back up and wooting
[15:30] <wrst> vychune: did you ever get your whole gui software manager stuff going?
[15:31] <vychune> nope ill just use synaptic
[15:31] <vychune> wooting? really?
[15:32] <vychune> have you guys ever herad of fmylife.com?
[15:33] <vychune> *heard
[15:34] <wrst> no i haven't vychune
[15:35] <Svpernova09> <3 fmylife.com
[15:36] <vychune> its funny. i go to when i think im having a bad day and look at how bad other lives are to cheer up and say "well at least i'm not doing that bad" lol
[15:36] <vychune> its basiclly people saying the worst stuff about thier day
[15:37] <vychune> (i swear one of these days ill learn how to type)
[15:39] <vychune> oh yeah wrst im using homebank
[15:40] <wrst> i have never used it, is it good vychune?
[15:41] <vychune> yep its great
[15:42] <wrst> cool i might look at that vychune thanks
[15:42] <vychune> you know when natty is coming out? @Svpernova09 you use fmylife?
[15:43] <vychune> @wrst no problem
[15:48] <vychune> Wow its quiet\
[15:48] <vychune> too quiet
[15:48] <Svpernova09> Use as in post? no, but I read it occasionally
[15:49] <vychune> i posted one
[15:49] <vychune> oh wait i got one
[15:49] <Svpernova09> I keep all my randomn brain leakage limited to irc and sometimes twitter
[15:49] <wrst> vychune: towards teh end of april on natty
[15:49] <wrst> vychune: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[15:50] <Svpernova09> vychune: you're in memphis?
[15:50] <vychune> yes sir i am
[15:50] <vychune> thank wrst
[15:50] <Svpernova09> Nice, more west TN people
[15:50] <vychune> ????????????
[15:51] <Svpernova09> I'm in memphis as well
[15:51] <Svpernova09> So is Dan9186[MM]
[15:51] <Svpernova09> jfenn is as well, netritious is in horn lake
[15:51] <vychune> oh ok cooool
[15:51] <Svpernova09> We had a meetup saturday >.< you should have come out
[15:52] <vychune> YOU GUYS DIDNT SAY NOTHING lol
[15:52] <Svpernova09> lol
[15:52] <Svpernova09> Are you familiar with the MidsouthMakers?
[15:52] <Svpernova09> Thats where we had the meetup. Dan and I are a part of the MM group
[15:52] <vychune> oh ok i have no idea what that is
[15:53] <Svpernova09> http://www.midsouthmakers.org
[15:53] <Svpernova09> Memphis Hackerspace
[15:54] <vychune> already on and on your site
[15:55] <Xpistos> is woot up for you now?
[15:55] <vychune> like your blog
[15:56] <wrst> no woot for me Xpistos
[15:56] <wrst> their servers are having a hard time with the wootoff
[15:57] <Svpernova09> vychune: our meetings are open to the public, if your into the kind of sutff on our site + wiki, stop by Friday @ 7pm.  It's at a place called faster taxes. My neighbor owns a tax business too.  FML
[16:12] <orias> lol
[16:15] <orias> depending on where youi live, i can give you a lift up to the space on friday, but you'd need to find a way home perhaps
[16:15] <vychune> whitehaven?
[16:15] <vychune> wait wait what time does it start?
[16:16] <vychune> never mind i get off work when you guys start
[16:17] <Dan9186[MM]> bah
[16:17] <Dan9186[MM]> that's a horrible excuse
[16:17] <vychune> i mean about the ride not the event lol
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> gotsta clarify these things
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> otherwise it'll confuse orias
[16:20] <vychune> lol
[16:20] <Svpernova09> He's easily confused
[16:21] <vychune> can he walk and chew gum? lol
[16:23] <orias> where am I? who are you people? where's my applesauce?
[16:23] <orias> Nurse!
[16:23] <vychune> LOL
[16:27] <vychune> hey how do make a program default in Firefox
[16:28] <orias> so I applied this patch yesterday: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/71328.html and now i have smooth skipless 1080p playback even while flipping through the compiz cube 0.0
[16:28] <orias> edit>preferences>applications
[16:29] <vychune> yeah i got that but i cant find the program file
[16:30] <orias> /usr/bin
[16:31] <orias> or find the program in the application menu, then look at its preferences to find the command/location
[16:32]  * vychune slaps himself
[16:32] <vychune> duh thank man
[16:32] <orias> :) np
[16:37] <vychune> im still here btw
[16:38] <orias> lol
[18:49] <Dan9186[MM]> ZenAdm1n: smack ryan if you will for me at some point, i pinged him earlier and he's yet to respond
[18:59] <ZenAdm1n> ryan needs to get smacked after making fun of my seating selection today, yoga ball.
[19:01]  * wrst shakes his head as the memphians have over powered the rest of the state :)
[19:05] <ZenAdm1n> FYI, Golum meets tonight at Southwest TN Community College http://www.golum.org/meetings
[19:05] <vychune> oh 4real?
[19:05] <ZenAdm1n> 4sho
[19:06] <ZenAdm1n> lunchtime!
[19:06] <vychune> oh no macon newvermind lol
[19:29] <Dan9186[MM]> ZenAdm1n: rofl, i think he made good choice on that one :P
[19:31]  * Dan9186[MM] is texting ryan asking about coworkers sitting on balls
[20:26] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:27] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: what's up
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> workin workin
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> how's you be?
[20:29] <Dan9186[MM]> ZenAdm1n: i've been told that you're the green initiative of worldspice and they're counting you as reduced carbon emissions
[20:30] <xTEMPLARx> wrst i'm about to put natty on my mini-lappy
[20:30] <xTEMPLARx> wish the poor devil luck
[20:30] <orias> :)
[20:34] <ZenAdm1n> I only took the job because Whole Foods is next door.  :)
[20:35] <ZenAdm1n> Sitting on your own balls is fine.   I should take out extra insurance or something.
[20:38] <xTEMPLARx> but if I did, I'm afraid my wife would pay someone to take me out.
[20:40] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: its pretty good i'm not totally sold on unity yet
[20:40] <xTEMPLARx> how frequently do you try to use it?
[20:41] <wrst> usually 3-5 times a week keep it updated etx
[20:41] <wrst> *etc
[20:41] <xTEMPLARx> ah
[20:41] <xTEMPLARx> so not enough to muscle past the differences in what you're used to versus what it gives u?
[20:41] <xTEMPLARx> or is it something other than the learning curve
[20:42] <xTEMPLARx> something deeper, more sinister
[20:45] <wrst> no it is what it is very early in unity's development but generally see some really nice improvement every week
[20:46] <xTEMPLARx> you just letting it do its normal updates like any regular build, or are you having to wipe and reinstall somewhat frequently?
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> its doing a partial upgrade right outa the box :\
[20:56] <wrst> no just regular upgrades xTEMPLARx
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> go little lappy go!
[20:57] <wrst> well not exactly regular i'm running apt-get dist-upgrade so i get all the changes such as open office changing to libre office
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> yeah
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> that's good stuffs
[20:57] <wrst> or as i say libre ( i really hate that name) office
[20:57] <wrst> cool xTEMPLARx, and glad to see east TN representin' a little the memphians were starting to scare me earlier
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> you hate it?
[20:58] <wrst> yeah i don't like the name
[20:58] <xTEMPLARx> i don't mind libre... :D
[20:58] <wrst> yeah its ok i suppose
[20:58] <wrst> just not my cup o' tea
[20:58] <xTEMPLARx> what would YOU call it?
[20:58] <wrst> i wouldn't call it libre office
[20:58] <wrst> freedom office?
[20:58] <wrst> free office
[20:58] <xTEMPLARx> sounds cheap
[20:59] <xTEMPLARx> as in crappy
[20:59] <wrst> document something another
[20:59] <xTEMPLARx> but I see what u mean
[20:59] <wrst> yeah none of those names are particular good either but gotta be something better
[21:01] <xTEMPLARx> I'd say a very major challenge is coming up with a name that hasn't already been used in some similar capacity
[21:03] <wrst> yes that woudl be wonderful i think
[21:25] <xTEMPLARx> interesting that it hides all your apps from you so well
[21:25] <xTEMPLARx> natty that is
[21:25] <xTEMPLARx> maybe that'll change after these updates install
[21:27] <wrst> not really xTEMPLARx but if you click on the ubuntu logo you can get them
[21:28] <xTEMPLARx> yeah, a folder full of them, unsorted save for alphabetically
[21:28] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[21:28] <wrst> :)
[21:28] <xTEMPLARx> gnome shell did a better job of that aspect
[21:28] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: its going to be a lot better
[21:28] <wrst> still not to alpha 2 yet
[21:28] <xTEMPLARx> coolio
[22:18] <vychune> anyone here
[22:59] <ZenAdm1n> It's snowing in Memphis. Looks like the Golum meeting is going to be cancelled.
[23:14] <starsprout> hi folks!
[23:16] <orias> o/
[23:16] <starsprout> what's the fix for getting a broadcom pci wireless adapter running in ubuntu 9.10?
[23:17] <orias> system>additional drivers?
[23:17] <orias> :)
[23:17] <starsprout> lol
[23:18] <starsprout> no that's not it
[23:18] <orias> sorry... ive always had luck with it always working :p
[23:18] <orias> whats it doing?
[23:18] <starsprout> it's showing up in lspci but it's not seen by network manager
[23:20] <starsprout> I'll just use ethernet
[23:20] <orias> what about ifconfig wlan0 up?
[23:21] <orias> or just restarting network-manager?
[23:21] <starsprout> what is the command for restarting network-manager?
[23:22] <orias> try 'sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart'
[23:24] <orias> is it a new card?
[23:27] <starsprout> no it's an old machine we're refurbishing and it came with this pci wifi card
[23:27] <starsprout> I found a fix on google tho - giving that a shot
[23:28] <orias> o/


 (Also, he's since made the target, but that was after the show was recorded and I'm sure you've seen that :))
[08:14] <diplo> They do the same thing on Jupiterbroadcasting site about monthly donations
[08:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:22] <s-fox> o/ czajkowski
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Another day of multiple Alans in the office.
[08:33] <czajkowski> heh
[08:34] <diplo> Guessing using nicknames than real names
[08:34] <diplo> :)
[08:37] <gord> remember the old saying, too many Alans spoil the broth
[08:37] <popey> someone entered the office and spoiled it
[08:37] <popey> there's now a non-alan
[08:37] <s-fox> Is he wearing a name tag "not alan"
[08:37] <s-fox> lol
[08:37] <gord> force everyone who enters to legally change their name
[08:37] <popey> no, he has a name badge "Ben"
[08:37] <popey> "Ben Sherman"
[08:38] <s-fox> requisition another one from HR with a new name :D
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> What is this "HR" you speak of?
[08:39] <s-fox> "human resources" whatever that means
[08:40] <gord> which ever one of you is making the tea
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> it means you're just a replaceable cog in a big money-making machine
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> gord: you are!
[08:51] <AlanBell> choo choo
[08:51] <AlanBell> a steam train just went past
[09:00] <s-fox> MartijnVdS,  I agree about being a tiny little cog in a machine. Sort of scary
[09:11] <JamesTait> Happy $TODAY, all!
[09:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:27] <Monster> is anyone looking to employ a level 1 support technican in the south east area?
[09:27] <czajkowski> Monster: same people as yesterday
[09:28] <czajkowski> Monster: maybe have a look at http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs  or take into account the advice that was given to you yesterday
[09:28] <Monster> You never know
[09:28] <czajkowski> kinda do, we're rather regular in here
[09:28] <czajkowski> especially at this hour of the day
[09:28] <Monster> oh I see
[09:28] <czajkowski> :)
[09:28] <Monster> fair enough
[09:28] <Monster> cheers for the website
[09:30] <popey> Monster: do you have a CV?
[09:31] <Monster> yep
[09:31] <popey> Monster: there's a fair few on jobserve. go to jobserve.com and put "helpdesk" in keywords, and "south east" in Location
[09:31] <Monster> ah cheers!
[10:07] <davmor2> morning all
[10:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: hello
[10:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Black triangles - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/06/07/black-triangles
[10:19] <feisar> Morning, I set a user up with Ubuntu a few weeks back and he seems to be getting on well but he's asked for and 'online manual' for Ubuntu and Libre Office. I am used to Googling for stuff all the time but is there a central location I could point someone like this too?
[10:20] <feisar> or what would be the best place to point a new user too, one who is not all that computer literate
[10:20] <dogmatic69> not much is better than typing the question in google and clicking the first link
[10:22] <feisar> sure, maybe Ill just give him this link and tell him to use Google also
[10:22] <feisar> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[10:22] <feisar> or even better this link https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/
[10:28] <DJones> !manual | feisar
[10:29] <feisar> DJones: oh great, thanks : )
[10:29] <DJones> your welcome
[10:29] <feisar> should I hang on for a 12.04 version before sending to him, I mean do you know if it will be updated anytime soon?
[10:31] <feisar> I'm not on 12.04 yet but am getting complaints from people I have upgraded to it that copy and paste is not working properly (not pasting between programs) is this a known thing?
[10:32] <JGJones> feisar, news to me. Copy'n'paste is working perfectly fine here.
[10:33] <feisar> ok thanks, it may well be that the PEBKAC
[10:41] <oimon> did canonical move out of millbank?
[10:44] <popey> yes
[10:45] <popey> hence the party on sunday
[10:46] <Seeker`> morning
[10:51] <dogmatic69> I just setup a new rackspace 12.04 server and add-apt-repository command does not exist
[10:52] <dogmatic69> how can I add ppa's
[10:53] <directhex> wow. remember my agonizing about putting MonoGame in non-free or castrating it, last week?
[10:53] <directhex> or thereabouts. time seems to have gone weird for me
[10:54] <diplo> dogmatic69: Edit source.lst ?
[10:54] <popey> dogmatic69: install python-software-properties
[10:54] <popey> that contains add-apt-repository
[10:54] <directhex> https://github.com/dellis1972/MonoGame/commit/101caae21373bdd37e7cd91f58329f7224097c69
[10:54] <diplo> Or that :)
[10:54] <popey> is it a cut down install?
[10:54] <diplo> Not had to use any ppas on my server so hadn't tried :)
[10:55] <popey> directhex: is monogame 'popular' ?
[10:55] <directhex> popey: depends. is HIB5 popupar?
[10:56] <popey> i mean from a developer perspecive
[10:57] <directhex> reasonably. it's the lowest effort way to release a game on both xbox live and android or iphone
[10:57] <directhex> which are the big target markets, really
[10:57] <popey> gotcha
[10:58] <directhex> that or unity3d (no, not that one), which is apprently the #1 mobile game engine, more popular than in-house engines
[11:03] <popey> monogame is free, unity3d is payware isn't it?
[11:04] <directhex> iirc unity3d is free if you only want to emit windows or mac binaries
[11:04] <directhex> android and ios targets are payware
[11:05] <dogmatic69> popey: thanks, that did the trick
[11:05] <directhex> inxile is porting unity3d to linux, for wasteland 2... so with luck that should be free too
[11:05] <popey> nice
[11:06] <directhex> with luck, with monogame in wheezy/quetzal, it should massively lower the bar for linux game ports from indie devs
[11:07] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/650588
[11:07] <popey> does anyone else get this issue with tomboy?
[11:07] <popey> (I do on precise)
[11:07]  * popey tickles gord
[11:08] <directhex> i.e. any XNA game with an osx port should be able to get a port to Ubuntu almost "for free"
[11:08] <directhex> i.e. rebuild, test & tweak
[11:08] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> I know people will sneer at this question for 2 reasons, but I still need to work out what needs altering. A very old PHP web app uses globals and works when accessed via HTTP. It does not, however, work when used with HTTPS. From my debugging it looks like register_globals is being ignored. Help? :)
[11:11] <directhex> i also would like a debian/ubuntu packaging addin for monodevelop - i.e. "build deb" button, "upload to ppa" button, a report which says "your package should install on the following distro releases", etc
[11:12] <gord> popey, never happened to me
[11:14] <bigcalm> AHA! register_globals *is* being ignored by HTTPS
[11:14] <bigcalm> :(
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: you are being ignored by the channel if that helps ;)
[11:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: used to it. But your own comment is then false
[11:20]  * bigcalm hunts lunch
[11:21] <dogmatic69> what is the best practice on user accounts and sudo? add ALL=(ALL)ALL or add to root group
[11:30] <ali1234> i accidentally clicked update without deselecting bastion and now it's going to download 1GB of pointlessness
[11:30] <ali1234> at least it does it in parallel
[11:32] <directhex> popey: i also hope that easy availability on ubuntu should help encourage monogame development itself - it has a very active upstream, which is good, but some of the linux codepaths (e.g. for intel gpus) are largely untested
[12:03] <ali1234> directhex: HIB5 is very popular, i think it's already beaten all the others
[12:03] <directhex> ali1234: yeah, that was my point
[12:04] <ali1234> of course bastion isn't compatible with monogame upstream... so there's that
[12:08] <directhex> ali1234: true. should help in future though. and it'd be nice if the bastion porters were engaging actively with monogame upstream
[12:17] <knightwise> eeevenin
[12:17] <knightwise> afternoon i mean
[12:27] <oimon> hmmm
[12:27] <oimon> getting my mobile number ported but currently can join network but can't make or receive calls
[12:27] <oimon> is that normal?
[12:27] <andylockran> fairly I think
[12:28] <andylockran> dogmatic69: I normally add to adm group
[12:28] <knightwise> yep oimon it means they are switching over your number, you need to swap simcards
[12:28] <andylockran> otherwise you get all your daemon accounts with sudo privs
[12:28] <oimon> knightwise, i'm on the new sim already
[12:28] <knightwise> just slide in the one from your new phone provider
[12:29] <knightwise> ah , then all you need to do is to wait untill it becomes active
[12:29] <oimon> oh
[12:29] <oimon> ta
[12:29] <oimon> it does join the network already
[12:29] <dogmatic69> andylockran: the adm group provides sudo?
[12:30] <andylockran> dogmatic69: in your sudoers config you should see an %adm entry
[12:31] <dogmatic69> andylockran: ah, I have %admin and %sudo
[12:31] <andylockran> admin group then is the one you'll add to
[12:32] <dogmatic69> strange. there is no admin group
[12:33] <andylockran> cat /etc/group | grep admin ?
[12:34] <dogmatic69> lpadmin only
[12:34] <ali1234> what happened to the printer config window?
[12:37] <popey> ali1234:  you could have killed update manager before it finished downloading
[12:37] <ali1234> nope
[12:37] <popey> nope?
[12:37] <ali1234> nope.
[12:37] <popey> nope!
[12:37] <ali1234> NOEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[12:38] <popey> nope‽
[12:38] <ali1234> the problem is the "system settings" printer dialogue sucks
[12:38] <ali1234> and i need to be using system-config-printer
[12:38] <ali1234> which actually works
[12:38] <knightwise> popey: 12.04 runs pretty fast on a 4.2 gen macbok pro
[12:38] <knightwise> keyboard settings arent perfect but its workable
[12:42] <andylockran> I find the mouse hard to use in ubuntu on macbook
[12:42] <andylockran> it doesn't act quite the same as osx
[12:43] <knightwise> andylockran: the touchpad is pretty sensitive
[12:43] <knightwise> i use an external mouse m that helps
[12:45] <arsen> hm
[12:46] <arsen> using gconf-editor i cant change settings for gnome-terminal (/apps/gnome-terminal/default) - apparently all the keys are not writeable
[12:49] <davmor2> ali1234: you should of stuck to unity :P
[12:56] <knightwise> hmm
[12:59] <arsen> so 12.04 in a virtualbox isnt going well so far :/ maybe its me with nis breaking it
[13:00] <dogmatic69> is it possible to extract particular files from a tar.gz in terminal?
[13:00] <dogmatic69> or even remove files from a tar.gz in terminal
[13:07] <ormiret> dogmatic69: tar's --delete option will remove files from an archive.
[13:16] <ali1234> cups is now even worse :/
[13:16] <davmor2> dogmatic69: yes, yes it is
[13:16] <dogmatic69> davmor2: --delete is not working for me, complaining that the archive is bust
[13:17] <dogmatic69> tar: www.tar.gz: Cannot read: Bad file descriptor
[13:17] <dogmatic69> tar: At beginning of tape, quitting now
[13:17] <dogmatic69> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[13:18] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I'd say that was broken to be honest what happens if you just try to open the tar file
[13:18] <dogmatic69> davmor2: it is too big to extract everything hence wanting to clean it up
[13:18] <dogmatic69> the tar is 5 gigs :/
[13:19] <dogmatic69> server has 3 gigs available
[13:19] <davmor2> dogmatic69: my I suggest you are screwed
[13:19] <dogmatic69> yes, yes I am :/
[13:20] <dogmatic69> making a new one with out the extra files.
[13:20] <dogmatic69> good thing its server to server so 8mb/s download
[13:21] <davmor2> dogmatic69: http://www.apl.jhu.edu/Misc/Unix-info/tar/tar_32.html --delete seems to be the only way :(
[13:24] <dogmatic69> davmor2: I think the problem is that is .gz
[13:24] <dogmatic69> I think --delete works on .tar
[13:24] <dogmatic69> not .tar.gz
[13:26] <davmor2> dogmatic69: http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-99659.html -f or -t may be your friend check the last comment
[13:28] <dogmatic69> that is the exact post I got the error from
[13:37] <bubu\a> hi guys - anyone ever had to convert a windows pk12 root cert into .pem and install it as a trusted CA root cert?
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> bubu\a: openssl pkcs12 help
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> bubu\a: and the files in /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates :)
[13:48] <gord> bah, spotify adverts are the most annoying things in the world
[13:49] <bigcalm> gord: easy way to fix that
[13:50] <gord> really don't think the service is worth the money it costs though
[13:50] <bigcalm> gord: then the adverts are not that annoying :)
[13:50] <gord> annoy till you pay is a business model i don't wanna support either
[13:50] <gord> should just renew my last.fm subscription :)
[13:51] <gord> then maybe write a nicer looking client just to play it
[13:51] <davmor2> gord: or just use last.fm in rhythmbox where it is available for free still
[13:51] <popey> !register
[13:52] <gord> davmor2, sure, but rhythmbox is annoying me lately, not pretty to look at and it has this annoying clip on the title of any of your tracks
[13:53] <davmor2> gord: so you just close the window once it's playing and never look at it again ever :D
[13:53] <gord> pfft, then what is the point in having two monitors? one to do work on, one to show something pretty and play music!
[13:54] <ali1234> if you close the window it randomy stops playing for no reason
[14:49] <popey> gord: seen the new rhythmbox?
[14:50] <gord> popey, nope, got a ppa?
[14:50] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox
[14:51] <gord> ta
[14:53] <davmor2> popey: do you have an image of it?
[14:56] <popey> a screenshot?
[14:57] <davmor2> popey: if you have one yes please
[14:58] <popey> sure
[14:58] <davmor2> popey: as in if you happen to of installed it already any chance of an screenshot of it
[14:58] <popey> i dont have one, but can do
[14:58] <davmor2> thanks
[14:58] <gord> hum, its better
[14:59] <gord> be nicer if we had spotify like dark theming for this kind of stuff
[15:00] <czajkowski> Juju at your service webinar live now. http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/49171
[15:01] <popey> davmor2: http://ubuntuone.com/2SldvRBYlkZYtLDFHMWGld
[15:02] <gord> might also be better if it focused a bit more on looking pretty rather than looking like a spreadsheet
[15:03] <davmor2> popey: oh pretty that is a lot nicer than the current I like the inclusion of the album art by the player
[16:00] <czajkowski> popey: daft question time :/ on rhythmbox my artwork appears in the bottim lower left, how did you get yours on top ?
[16:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: it's a newer RB
[16:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's why I asked for an image
[16:04] <czajkowski> I'm all up to date
[16:04] <czajkowski> :/
[16:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: so you say, this is what being in Ireland does for you :P
[16:11] <gord> czajkowski, no, newer as in, not in ubuntu
[16:11] <gord> czajkowski, https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox
[16:25] <Azelphur> Can anyone tell me what the gnome display/monitors config tool is called?
[16:26] <Azelphur> I don't seem to have it for some reason :(
[16:26] <gord> Azelphur, gnome-control-center?
[16:27] <Azelphur> gord, it doesn't appear to be in there
[16:29] <gord> Azelphur, do you have a gnome-display-panel.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[16:31] <Azelphur> gord, yep
[16:31] <gord> Azelphur, then you have problems i can not solve
[16:31] <Azelphur> weird :p
[16:31] <Azelphur> on the bright side I found arandr which did the job nicely
[16:48] <dogmatic69> nothing better than "1287839940 bytes received in 59.46 secs (21149.9 kB/s)"
[16:51] <Azelphur> Length:<PHONE_NUMBER> (3.7G) [application/octet-stream]
[16:51] <Azelphur> Saving to: `debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso'
[16:51] <Azelphur> 11% [[16:51] <Azelphur> dogmatic69, sure there is ;)
[16:51] <dogmatic69> :/
[16:52] <dogmatic69> 2.1M faster
[16:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:52] <dogmatic69> Maybe mine was still warming up :)
[16:53] <Azelphur> anyone happen to know how to get on a ppa for the latest kernels?
[16:59] <dogmatic69> mysql importing a 1.2 gig file
[17:00] <dogmatic69> server has 250mb ram and swapping hard
[17:00] <dogmatic69> 400/500mb swap
[17:00] <dogmatic69> cherokee still dispatching web requests :D
[17:17] <Azelphur> dogmatic69, haha, this is a huge dedicated server in internap NYC with all the trimmings
[17:17] <Azelphur> tier 1 1gbit/sec
[17:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: Welcome to the sgs3 suffering camp
[17:18] <Azelphur> suffering?
[17:18] <Azelphur> your talking about a galaxy s3?
[17:19] <davmor2> Azelphur: Want one can't have one cause contract isn't quite there yet
[17:19] <Azelphur> haha
[17:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: You can mock the afflicted but there are more of us than there is of you ;)
[17:21] <Azelphur> xD
[17:21] <Azelphur> I still have my HTC Desire Z
[17:21] <Azelphur> won't buy nothing without a physical keyboard :)
[17:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: I'm on an Motorola Milestone
[17:22] <davmor2> Azelphur: the screen on the s3 is big enough for me to not have issues typing on which is the only reason why I'm looking at it
[17:23] <Azelphur> hehe, I like emulators and stuff on my phone, plus typing is much faster on a physical keyboard no matter how good the touch screen is
[17:26] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: mine is a tiny 256mb rackspace server in london
[17:26] <Azelphur> :)
[17:27] <dogmatic69> connecting to so other server that must be in london too.
[17:27] <dogmatic69> normal dl like wget foobar is 10mb/s
[17:27] <dogmatic69> or 8ish
[17:32] <Azelphur> :)
[17:32] <Azelphur> does anyone know if there is a PPA to put me on the latest kernel builds
[18:58] <aquarius> popey, ping?
[18:58] <popey> aquarius: pong
[18:59] <aquarius> popey, if someone's got ubuntu in a vmware fusion vm on a macbook, and they'd like rhythmbox in Ubuntu to be able to see the music in iTunes on the mac via daap sharing, is that doable?
[18:59] <aquarius> popey, it doesn't work out of the box, but I don't really understand how fusion does networking
[19:00] <popey> yeah, should be do-able
[19:00] <popey> i dont know vmware so dunno how, but there must be some kind of "bridged" network
[19:00] <popey> rather than "NAT"
[19:00] <aquarius> aha, bridge, that sounds like a usefully magic word to google for ;)
[19:01] <popey> http://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/network_bridged_ws.html looks plausible
[19:01] <aquarius> does zeroconf magicness work over a bridged network??
[19:01] <aquarius> this stuff is all a deep mystery to me ;-)
[19:02] <aquarius> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1003814 seems relevat, I think
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> bridge, it should
[19:05] <popey> aquarius: its not that it needs bridged network
[19:05] <popey> its that the two devices need to be on the 'same' network
[19:05] <popey> avahi/zeroconf/bonjour _only_ work on one network
[19:05] <popey> they don't traverse networks
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> and a bridge is like a switch/hub
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: s/network/broadcast domain/ for more precise definition :)
[19:06] <popey> and a vm usually has a different IP address range (like <IP_ADDRESS>) by default, so on a different network
[19:06] <popey> yeah, terminology fail
[19:09] <aquarius> bah, just tried turning on bridge networking and it didn't work
[19:09] <AlanBell> I will try it with virtualbox in a sec, just downloaded a quantal iso
[19:09] <AlanBell> aquarius: wired or wireless?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: can you see broadcasts from the vm in the lan?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: then bonjour should work..
[19:10] <AlanBell> wireless bridging used to be problematic as wifi routers got upset with devices wanting multiple IP addresses
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: especially if they're on the same IP ranges, etc.
[19:10] <aquarius> AlanBell, um, it's wireless, but I just want to zeroconf talk to the host machine
[19:10] <aquarius> so not over the actual network at all
[19:10] <AlanBell> aquarius: sure, but did both get an IP address from the wireless router?
[19:10] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, I have no idea how to answer that question :)
[19:10] <aquarius> AlanBell, er, dunno, will find out
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: (a) are all machines (virtual and physical) in the same IP network
[19:11] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, I shall ask him to find out what the IP of the ubuntu vm is :)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: (b) if you run tshark (or whatever other sniffer) on one of the machines, can you see broadcast packets sent by the others
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: if both are "yes" and it still doesn't work... that would be very weird
[19:11]  * AlanBell installs quantal
[19:14]  * AlanBell must fix that loopy "replace windows with Ubuntu" string in ubiquity
[19:16]  * AlanBell bzr branches ubiquity
[19:17] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, they are both on the same subnet
[19:17] <popey> and itunes is running?
[19:17] <directhex> anyone have a use for a third off at http://www.logitech.com/349/7300 ?
[19:18]  * popey bets Azelphur would directhex  or maybe even ali1234
[19:19] <aquarius> popey, yep
[19:19] <popey> interesting
[19:19] <aquarius> popey, and itunes on this mac can see a shared library from the mac mini on the same network
[19:19] <popey> i can't see the macs on my network either at the moment
[19:19] <aquarius> but ubuntu can't see either
[19:19] <aquarius> (in rhythmbox)
[19:20]  * popey goes to check a mac is on
[19:22] <popey> it was not
[19:22] <popey> sommat wrong here, i cant see the mac
[19:22] <popey> oh, different networks
[19:23] <popey> yup works
[19:23] <popey> now they are on the same LAN ☺
[19:24]  * AlanBell has installed quantal
[19:24] <popey> aquarius: enabled the daap plugin?
[19:24] <aquarius> popey, yep, I tried that
[19:24] <popey> and they both deffo have the same IP range?
[19:25] <AlanBell> tried manually connecting to the DAAP share with the rhythmbox menu option?
[19:25] <popey> are you sat at it or is this remote hands you're proxying?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> Isn't newer iTunes "protected" by apple?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> so it's not usable by free software
[19:25] <popey> doesnt look like it
[19:26] <popey> i can see it here in RB
[19:26] <AlanBell> no, it is an open protocol MartijnVdS
[19:26] <popey> oh hang on
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> It used to work, but it broke in iTunes 8 or 9
[19:26] <popey> "Could not connect to shared music"
[19:26] <popey> when i actually click on it
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> With iTunes 7.0, a new 'Client-DAAP-Validation' header hash is needed when connecting to an iTunes 7.0 server. This does not affect third-party DAAP servers, but all current DAAP clients (including official iTunes before iTunes 7.0) will fail to connect to an iTunes 7.0 server, receiving a '403 Forbidden' HTTP error. The iTunes 7.0 authentication traffic analysis seem to indicate that a certificate exchange is performed to calculate the hash s
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> As of June 2010, the iTunes 7.0 DAAP authentication still hasn't been reverse engineered, so no third-party application can stream from iTunes 7.x, 8.x, 9.x or 10.x servers
[19:27] <AlanBell> ooh, that isn't so good
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> my NAS has a built in "itunes" server that works
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> but that's not an official APple one
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, they have the same, ya -- <IP_ADDRESS> is the mac, .1.71 is the ubutnu vm
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, it's remote hands being proxied ;)
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, I can't even see it
[19:32] <datadave> newbie to ubuntu here in manchester...
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, (can't even see the share, I mean)
[19:35] <AlanBell> in ubiquity there is a really annoying lable, the definition of it is
[19:35] <AlanBell>                             <property name="label" translatable="yes">Replace Windows with Ubuntu</property>
[19:36] <popey> hi datadave
[19:36] <datadave> hey
[19:36] <popey> AlanBell: why is that annoying?
[19:36] <AlanBell> it is utterly wrong as I never use windows and it is the lable for replacing the previous operating system with Ubuntu - not just windows
[19:37] <AlanBell> orca reads it, but it isn't displayed on screen
[19:37] <popey> hah
[19:37] <datadave> i dont know where to start
[19:37] <popey> datadave: welcome to our world ☺
[19:37] <AlanBell> o/ datadave
[19:37] <datadave> im liking it so far
[19:38] <popey> thats a good start
[19:38] <datadave> i have it installed on dell latitude d600
[19:38] <datadave> not sure what i want to do with it
[19:40] <popey> datadave: who will own the laptop? you?
[19:40] <datadave> me
[19:41] <datadave> i have used transmission, browsed the web, thats about it
[19:41] <popey> winner ☺
[19:46] <daubers> evening
[19:47] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/ubiquity/fix1010179/+merge/109224 lets see what happens with that
[19:48] <Azelphur> popey / directhex  haha nice, unfortunately I already have it all :(
[21:03]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if popey has put his suitcases away yet?
[21:04] <DJones> i wish manufacturers wouldn't require you to connect a device to a windows machine to register and authenticate it
[21:18] <dogmatic69> DJones: everyone has windows...
[21:19] <dogmatic69> try using a new iPhone when you are not interested in mac, or windows :/
[21:29] <shauno> they don't actually require that anymore
[21:39] <gord> i just can't get it out of my head that windows 8's theming just looks like that horrible default theme gtk uses when gnome-settings-daemon dies
[23:31] <dogmatic69> is there a safe easy way to remove encrypted home dir?
[23:31] <dogmatic69> just want it normal :/


[00:30] <jono> pleia2, ping?
[00:33] <pleia2> jono: pong
[00:36] <jono> pleia2, where are the documented guidelines for membership boards to follow in how they asses new members?
[00:36] <pleia2> jono: just https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[00:36] <pleia2> there aren't any specifics beyond that
[00:37] <jono> right, I didn't think so
[00:37] <jono> no worries, I promised on the call with Mark to document a starting point for guidelines for the boards - just fleshing that out now
[00:37] <pleia2> that's strictly for the regional boards, IRC, Forums and DMB have other things
[00:38] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Membership https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forums/Membership
[00:38] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard
[00:40] <jono> pleia2, yep, I am just writing for the membership boards
[00:41] <jono> just as a starter
[00:41]  * pleia2 nods
[01:55] <duanedesign> hello pleia2
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <dpm> morning all
[07:55] <huats> morning
[08:10] <kim0> Morning everyone
[10:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:41] <AlanBell> jcastro: your friend in the design team is getting support on the loco mailing list which is awesome
[10:42] <AlanBell> however it is challenging to support people who are using mac OS because we don't um, support that[M#>
[10:42] <czajkowski> indeed
[10:43] <czajkowski> or there is no way she can get a working machine with Ubuntu on it
[10:43] <AlanBell> is there any kind of internal effort to get the designers to use a supported platform?
[11:18] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:22] <mhall119> woot! just sent out the first round of beta invitations to readfeeder.net
[13:25] <paultag> oh the rss feed reader?
[13:26] <paultag> is the planet down?
[13:27] <mhall119> what?
[13:27] <paultag> planet.ubuntu.com, the planet
[13:27] <paultag> you know with all the blogs
[13:27] <paultag> and the community
[13:27] <mhall119> oh, unrelated to my announcement
[13:27] <paultag> it's timing out to me
[13:27] <mhall119> hmmm, that's not a good sign
[13:27] <paultag> nope
[13:28] <paultag> mhall119: call up the guys with the ssh keys. They'll listen to you
[13:28] <mhall119> try it again, mine just came up (but it took a while)
[13:29] <paultag> let's see here
[13:29] <paultag> try #3 :)
[13:29] <paultag> damn python apps
[13:29] <paultag> take freeking forever
[13:29] <paultag> still timing out here
[13:30] <mhall119> planet.u.c is Wordpress as far as I know
[13:30] <paultag> mhall119: not planet
[13:30] <paultag> mhall119: planet is a python app that fetches feeds and creates HTML
[13:30] <paultag> mhall119: I was playing with the source a while back -- regardless it has nothing to do with python @ runtime
[13:31] <mhall119> oh, I see
[13:31] <paultag> it's static html, I'm just making fun of it
[13:31] <paultag> the server must be getting hit with a lot of requests or something. DDoS perhaps? No clue
[13:31] <paultag> I'd take a look if we had some sort of access for times like this
[13:31] <paultag> but we don't so no big deal
[13:32] <mhall119> everybody signing up for readfeeder and adding planet to their subscriptions ;)
[13:32] <paultag> mhall119: is the RSS fetching on feeder's servers?
[13:32] <paultag> server*  I guess
[13:32] <mhall119> yes
[13:32] <paultag> wonder what's up
[13:33] <mhall119> it's a joke, with my refactoring even if 1000 people subscribed to planet.u.c, it'd only fetch it once
[13:33] <paultag> well yeah, that's how these things work :)
[13:34] <paultag> it'd be stupid not to pool articles, it'll waste bandwidth and DB space
[13:35] <mhall119> yeah, that would be real stupid...
[13:35]  * mhall119 looks the other way
[13:35] <paultag> oh no mhall119
[13:35] <paultag> mhall119: seriously?
[13:35] <mhall119> it was version 0.1!
[13:35] <paultag> barf
[13:35] <mhall119> we all do crazy stupid things in our 0.1 versions
[13:36] <paultag> well as long as it's working I *guess*
[13:36] <mhall119> well it doesn't work like that *anymore*
[13:36] <mhall119> I grew out of that phase
[13:38] <mhall119> only 3.1 minutes to load planet...
[13:39] <paultag> sounds like DDoS
[13:39] <paultag> or a DoS
[13:39] <paultag> either way
[13:41] <mhall119> I think the equipment waits for IS to be out on a sprint before it starts acting up
[14:00] <jcastro> dholbach: I am all set!
[14:00] <jcastro> kim0: then wanna do reports?
[14:02] <mhall119> paultag: IS kicked planet back to attention
[14:04] <czajkowski> mhall119: I think some of the equipment needs a good kicking :)
[14:08] <mhall119> it seems so
[14:54] <AlanBell> was it running on a mac?
[15:23] <dholbach> jcastro, great
[15:24] <jcastro> dholbach: I've been waiting for you all day
[15:24] <jcastro> (just kidding I don't care)
[15:24] <dholbach> "all day"
[15:24] <dholbach> :-P
[15:37] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Translations
[15:37] <jcastro> heya dpm
[15:37] <jcastro> can you get a TODO of things to do on that page soonish?
[15:38] <popey> when is the next jam?
[15:38] <jcastro> 2-4 Sept
[15:39] <dholbach> dpm, wenn Du ein bisschen Zeit hast, kannst Du mal gucken, ob https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Translations auf dem neuesten Stand ist?
[15:53] <paultag> dholbach: should be fine, it has a recent change date, but ja, would be good to check in time for jams :)
[16:02] <popey> thanks jcastro
[16:18] <jcastro> kim0: good thing we're behind, we have 2 week's worth of info now
[16:18] <kim0> jcastro: heh yeah that's good :)
[16:18] <czajkowski> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/08/16/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/  I love our new home :)
[16:19] <paultag> totally
[16:20] <czajkowski> jono: could you tweet and add it to the facebook page please http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/08/16/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/
[16:32] <jono> czajkowski, will do in a sec
[16:33] <czajkowski> thanks
[16:48] <czajkowski> jono: Thank you
[16:49] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[16:49] <jono> czajkowski, do you use FB?
[16:51] <czajkowski> jono: I do
[16:51] <jono> czajkowski, I will add you as a poster on the ubuntulocoteams page
[16:52] <czajkowski> jono: ahh cheer that would be handy I can stop harassing you then
[16:52] <paultag> jono: mind hooking a brother up too?
[16:52] <paultag> that way we can get rid of tz issues :)
[16:52] <jono> paultag, sure
[16:52] <czajkowski> :)
[16:52] <jono> if you can post plenty of content there that would be great
[16:52] <czajkowski> aye
[16:52] <paultag> cheers
[16:52] <czajkowski> 3 hrs to council meetin
[16:52] <czajkowski> g
[16:53] <jono> thanks, folks
[16:55] <czajkowski> may even use that to remind folks about meeting and stuff
[16:55] <czajkowski> cool
[17:13] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:16] <czajkowski> have changed the UGJ tag to UGJ on the LD instead of globaljams
[17:25] <mhall119> jono: I filed an RT to get whatever backups for LD they have
[17:25] <mhall119> hopefully we'll be able to recover some of the lost data
[17:27] <popey> oh, what happened?
[17:29] <jono> thanks mhall119
[17:29] <jono> biab
[17:32] <mhall119> popey: we lost data during the server moves
[17:32] <popey> oops
[17:32] <mhall119> yeah
[17:32] <paultag> oh jeez
[17:33] <paultag> this'll be fun
[17:33] <paultag> mhall119: might want to email contacts and let them know of data loss
[17:34] <mhall119> paultag: probably a good idea, yea
[17:39] <mhall119> paultag: sent
[17:42] <paultag> cheers
[18:00] <czajkowski> mhall119: thanks for following up on this
[18:00] <czajkowski> tis a bit of a shite thing to happen :/
[18:11] <mhall119> yeah
[18:46] <duanedesign> paultag: you know some german?
[18:47] <paultag> duanedesign: Yeah, I took it for 6 years in school, and went to Munich and Salzburg for a while
[18:47] <doctormo> jcastro: You wanted me to try something? Sorry I've been irc-offline for a few days
[18:47] <duanedesign> paultag: can you look at something real quick?
[18:48] <duanedesign> paultag: the google translate is not making sense to me
[18:48] <paultag> duanedesign: sure
[18:48] <duanedesign> paultag: http://pastebin.com/eCpYw6GA
[18:50] <paultag> duanedesign: it's not very clear, perhaps a native would read it better, but I think it's saying it's rejecting his password
[18:50] <paultag> when it asks for the email / password, it demands the password, or something similar
[18:50] <paultag> it'ps not clear to me
[18:50] <paultag> it's *
[18:51] <paultag> duanedesign: the second line looks to confirm that, saying that he can't get it to accept the password
[18:51] <paultag> but again, it's very unclear
[18:51] <doctormo> We've just rolled out Ubuntu+Community Lab to another site. That's 2 now. :-D
[18:51] <paultag> or just a bit of German i've not seen
[18:51] <paultag> duanedesign: :)
[18:51] <jcastro> hey can some of you all send me a test message<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:51] <jcastro> I think something wonky is going on with my mail
[18:52] <doctormo> jcastro: Email sent with attachment
[18:52] <jcastro> thanks!
[18:53] <duanedesign> paultag: cool thank you sir
[18:54] <paultag> duanedesign: sure thing
[19:01] <duanedesign> paultag: how have you been? Done ith school yet?
[19:01] <duanedesign> s/ith/with
[19:02] <duanedesign> i thought you were getting close to being done with Uni
[19:08] <AlanBell> duanedesign: when was aq's U1 thing?
[19:09] <AlanBell> in fact, whenever it is, it looks to be gone. Would that be the type of data loss that may have occurred?
[19:19] <duanedesign> AlanBell: sept. 1
[19:20] <duanedesign> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=1053
[19:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: shouldnt be it's after the loss and I took the screen capture only on friday
[19:33] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events missing in action
[19:37] <cjohnston> how many events should you have
[19:37] <AlanBell> one
[19:38] <AlanBell> well we "should" have loads, but we "did" have one
[19:38] <cjohnston> then it prolly has the same issue as everyone else
[19:38] <cjohnston> just recreate it
[19:38] <AlanBell> yeah, that is fine, just wanted to know if that was the type of stuff lost
[19:39] <czajkowski> hmmm
[19:39] <czajkowski> then its not an issue since last week
[19:40] <AlanBell> presumably we are now looking at the result of a restore from a position of several weeks ago
[19:40] <cjohnston> mhall119: i dont have time.. maybe someone can try to figure out the newest old event and then the oldest new event?
[19:51] <czajkowski> AlanBell: re added Aqs event for him
[20:01] <mhall119> cjohnston: it's hard to tell, since we don't store create timestamps on any of those records
[20:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: the event #s will give you a relative idea
[20:41] <popey> aweomse work pleia2
[20:41] <popey> *awesome
[20:41] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:43] <mhall119> cjohnston: yeah, I'll dig those up tonight
[20:43] <mhall119> I already know for meetings it's ids 164-176
[23:55] <jono> jcastro, ping?


[00:09] <gonyere> lol
[00:25] <gonyere> pleia2 - summaries done :)
[19:10] <gonyere> I just made a pretty big edit to the summary of Michael Larabel's article on Phoronix, including a link to the rebuttal/correction/contradiction from Jono on Google+, along with a slew of other minor grammatical edits to other summaries :)
[19:12] <pleia2> gonyere: nice!
[19:13] <gonyere> :)
[19:13] <pleia2> good catch, I might do a few more edits, have to think about how we should handle this sort of thing
[19:14] <gonyere> yeah, I was scanning through the summaries just as I was catching up on google+ and reading Jono's post :)
[19:17] <gonyere> should we perhaps link to the actual mailing list discussion?
[19:20] <pleia2> Phoronix links to the original thread, so I think that's ok, and jono's description is good for normal people I think
[19:24] <pleia2> I think that's better, less adversarial :)
[19:24] <gonyere> yeah
[19:25] <pleia2> I used "would" instead of "will" because it's all speculative at this point ("may" could be used here too)
[19:25] <pleia2> s/may/might
[19:25] <gonyere> gotcha
[19:28] <Unit193> (This is the file manager thing?)
[19:29] <pleia2> yeah
[19:29] <gonyere> yeah
[23:29] <pleia2> doh, our askubuntu script is totally b0rked
[23:32] <pleia2> I'll drop oli an email
[23:45] <pleia2> Unit193: can you link check when you have a moment? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue353
[23:46] <pleia2> and sent off to editors