[12:39] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not a bad language to learn, if you are considering a programming future
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> I'm not :) I know python which is pretty much as deep as I want to get.
[12:40] <mhb> nosrednaekim: okay then :o)
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> but anyway.... I was looking for something to code on, and I was looking at porting LTSP-manager to QT. But I can't get virtualization working.
[12:41] <mhb> nosrednaekim: virtualization? as in?
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> vmware doesn't like my machine, neither does kvm or kqemu. :( and qemu is WAY to slow.
[12:42] <mhb> nosrednaekim: try virtualbox
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> I was trying to virtualize edubuntu.
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> isn't that just kqemu with a fancy wrapping?
[12:42] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's not a perfect solution, but many people like it
[12:42] <mhb> not sure, perhaps
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> i'll look into it... thanks :)
[12:43] <mhb> a bit offtopic: could someone explain the new kdebase/ separation to me? apps/runtime/workspace ?
[12:44] <mhb> why is kdm in workspace and not apps?
[12:50] <allee> mhb: kdm is part of the KDE4 workspace becuase not needed by windoof or mac os that have their own
[12:51] <neversfelde|mobi> for me kmail works pretty good, surely without marking a message as read
[12:51] <neversfelde|mobi> this makes me nervous :)
[12:51] <mhb> allee: ah, thanks.
[12:51] <mhb> the new kdebase structure -- doof
[12:51] <mhb> me -- doof
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:51] <neversfelde|mobi> seems to be more work than it is
[12:52] <mhb> I like that shirt :o)
[12:52] <allee> mhb: no IMHO makes lot of sense ;)
[12:53] <mhb> allee: the structure might be, it's just the fact that you can't find anything anymore that I consider doof
[12:53] <allee> mhb: hehe
[12:53] <mhb> allee: and I was referring to that "alles ist doof" picture on T-shirts
[12:54] <mhb> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6110/doof22fp.jpg
[12:55] <allee> mhb: ah, I know it.  My daughter tried to convince me to buy a puzzle with this picture
[12:58] <mhb> allee: tried to convince? don't be too hard on her :o)
[12:58] <mhb> aaanyway
[01:00] <ryanakca> mhb: what's a doof?
[01:00] <allee> ryanakca: stupid
[01:00] <ryanakca> Haha
[01:01] <neversfelde|mobi> hehe
[01:01] <neversfelde|mobi> a doof
[01:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you want admin access to eGroupWare?
[01:43] <Lure> Riddell: sounds like SuSE has also problems with enterprise branch: http://frinring.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/wanted-older-packages-of-kdepim-357-for-opensuse-102/
[01:46] <Lure> Riddell: paste (Ctrl-V) into e-mail compose window causes crash here... :-(
[01:47] <nixternal> man, fell asleep on the couch
[01:47] <nixternal> Lure: I think they might have fixed that upstrea...they were talking about it in #kontact earlier
[01:48] <Lure> nixternal: sleep on couch does not sound that bad... ;-)
[01:48] <nixternal> hee
[01:48] <Lure> nixternal: nice to hear...
[01:49] <nixternal> I hope they fix the other issues, ie manual mail checks strip incoming email of headers and content
[01:49] <nixternal> so you get totally blank emails that end up in the trash marked as spam
[01:51] <nixternal> Riddell: starting on KDE 4 b2
[01:52] <nixternal> downloading that tarball at a whopping 15k/s :)
[01:52] <allee> :)
[01:52] <jjesse> so wife's flight has been delayed for 3 hours
[01:52] <nixternal> where is she at?
[01:52] <jjesse> and she's sitting at the airport waiting to fly to atlanta to see me
[01:52] <nixternal> flying to?
[01:52] <jjesse> grand rapids
[01:52] <nixternal> ahhh
[01:52] <nixternal> she staying the weekend?
[01:53] <jjesse> we were supposed to be on vacation this week, but boss needed me to teach the class
[01:53] <jjesse> so work is flying her down and paying for the hotel for the long weekend
[01:53] <nixternal> nice..you guys like to hike and stuff, go up into the mountains
[01:54] <jjesse> yeah we do... if she ever gets here
[01:55] <nixternal> 3.5 hours to get out to Savannah...very nice out there if you haven't ever been there
[01:55] <nixternal> great beaches, nice restaurants
[01:55] <nixternal> I like that old town feeling in savannah
[01:56] <nixternal> you are only about 1.5 hours to chattanooga which is nice as well..and a lot of mountains
[01:57] <nixternal> don't forget to hit the Waffle House and get the best cheesy grits in the world
[01:57] <jjesse> mmmmmm waffle house ;)
[01:58] <nixternal> hehe
[01:58] <nixternal> I do not like grits, but I love their grits...and their hash browns are out of this world
[01:59] <jjesse> still trying to sync svn for qt-copy
[01:59] <jjesse> why is it so stinkin slow
[02:02] <jjesse> do i really need all the files before i build?
[02:05] <nixternal> download one, build it, move on to step two
[02:05] <nixternal> or on to the second one
[02:07] <jjesse> nixternal: still trying to download qt-copy
[02:07] <jjesse> which is before all the other things
[02:08] <Jucato> almost done with my kdebase :P
[02:08] <mhb> Jucato: eh?
[02:08] <Jucato> same thing as jjesse's doing...
[02:08] <mhb> Jucato: ah.
[02:09] <Jucato> a.k.a. upstream things :)
[02:09] <mhb> Jucato: no trouble with "strigiclient.h" ?
[02:09] <Jucato> hmm... didn't encounter any errors yet.
[02:09] <Jucato> where did you encounter this? while building which module?
[02:10] <mhb> Jucato: I think it was krunner
[02:10] <Jucato> ah well I'm still compiling kdebase so I might run into that
[02:10] <mhb> Jucato: but perhaps you evaded this by compiling strigi yourself
[02:10] <mhb> Jucato: I was trying to reuse as much packages as possible
[02:10] <Jucato> ah I see
[02:11] <Jucato> everything from Qt upward I compiled.
[02:11] <mhb> I did just kdepimlibs-kdelibs-kdebase combo
[02:12] <jjesse> wow plane is just leaving
[02:12] <jjesse> so  i need to have qt-copy from svn checked out first correct?
[02:12] <Jucato> O.o
[02:12] <mhb> Jucato: plasma is shaping up quite nicely
[02:12] <Jucato> ah nice :)
[02:12] <mhb> Jucato: although the Kicker replacement is showing on the first desktop only
[02:13] <mhb> Jucato: and it seems to be close to impossible to move widgets from the desktop to it
[02:13] <mhb> well at least they have a system tray :D
[02:13] <Jucato> doesn't work as advertised eh? :)
[02:13] <Jucato> oooh good!!!
[02:13] <Jucato> systray is *very very* important
[02:13] <Jucato> <---- could easily fill his whole kicker w/ systrays
[02:14] <Jucato> jjesse: what I did was to checkout everything in one sitting and sleep through it :)
[02:15] <jjesse> J\
[02:15] <jjesse> doh
[02:15] <jjesse> Jucato: my internet connection at the hotel ends each night
[02:15] <Jucato> ouch
[02:15] <jjesse> i have to re-"login"
[02:15] <Jucato> I'm too spoiled at home :/
[02:16] <mhb> Jucato: yeah, it's the best advantage over beta1
[02:16] <Jucato> gonna be difficult when I face the "real" world next year :(
[02:16] <mhb> Jucato: oh, I wasn't able to get the systray from the desktop to the kicker replacement, I'm afraid
[02:17] <mhb> Jucato: I think they're saving this feature for the 4.0 "Crazy Developers Only Release" :o)
[02:17] <Jucato> it's ok. as long as there's a semblance of a systray so that apps won't go disappearing...
[02:17] <mhb> of course, I'm kidding
[02:17] <mhb> I really hope they'll manage to get it all into 4.0
[02:18] <Jucato> ok going to grab some breakfast, then do laundry :(
[02:18] <jjesse> on smarter then a fifth grader the person asked if he would win a million what would he do
[02:19] <jjesse> he said he would buy a lamborgini and paint it camo
[02:19] <Jucato> O.o
[02:33] <mhb> Jucato: poke me if you manage to keep the kicker replacement on all desktops
[04:01] <ryanakca> Is anybody else having kded run at >95% CPU?
[04:01] <nixternal> can't say that I am
[04:01] <ryanakca> shucks.
[04:01] <Jucato> um.. nope :(
[04:01] <nixternal> apt-get is running at that right now in a pbuilder :)
[04:01] <ryanakca> According to the service manager, it's the only thing running...
[04:06] <Jucato> did we stop installing Krita by default a few releases back?
[04:19] <nixternal> looks like it
[04:21] <Jucato> ah ok
[04:22] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qimageblitz/
[04:23] <nixternal> test building kdelibs w/o qimageblitz to see how bad it complains first :)
[04:34] <Jucato> nixternal: did you build KDE 4 from SVN or use Kubuntu packages (Beta 1?)
[04:34] <nixternal> built from SvN
[04:35] <Jucato> ah kool. just finished mine on my desktop a while ago...
[04:35] <Jucato> I have no clue where to get other plasmoids :(
[04:36] <nixternal> ya, me either..dunno where they are hiding
[04:40] <nixternal> lazy, lazy, lazy :D
[04:41] <Jucato> hahaha
[04:41] <Jucato> although building from SVN seems to be faster now that it was a few months ago
[04:42] <nixternal> well if you are using gutsy, then all you have to do is start at the kdesupport recipe
[04:42] <Jucato> I followed the techbases step by step... except for CMake.
[04:43] <Jucato> I tried not to compile DBus but got errors when trying to run a KDE 4 app
[04:43] <nixternal> you don't need qt-copy with gutsy
[04:43] <Jucato> heh now you tell me :P
[04:44] <Jucato> but on this lappy I'm on Feisty so...
[04:44] <Jucato> :)
[04:44] <nixternal> well if you would read the techbase page you would have known that :)
[04:44] <nixternal> ya, feisty will need qt-copy
[04:45] <Jucato> lazy me :P
[05:03] <ryanakca> Ok... hmm. would the kded acting up part be because it was started with 'kded --new-startup' instead of just 'kded'? killing all kded processes, and then restarting one with the latter worked
[05:03] <ryanakca> well, it fixed it :)
[05:04] <ryanakca> Also, is there a reason KMilo doesn't start at login? (KMilo is required for volup/down)
[05:05] <nixternal> man, you are having all kinds of issues :)
[05:05] <nixternal> I do, but it controls master..which doesn't work with the intel-hda stuff
[05:05] <ryanakca> Jucato: what, the buttons, or the working-ness
[05:06] <ryanakca> nixternal: change you change the master channel?
[05:06] <nixternal> ya, but that causes other problems
[05:06] <ryanakca> hmm.
[05:06] <Jucato> the buttons
[05:07] <Jucato> so I've never seen KMilo since...um.. can't remember
[05:13] <Jucato> kdelibs4c2a to be exact
[06:36] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde4libs/
[09:08] <Tonio_> yo
[10:16] <allee> Hi Tonio
[10:17] <allee> I've another bt item to discuss:  Imaging a user  'I have bt but don't care about it, but everytime I quit kbt, when I login it's back'
[10:17] <allee> Tonio_: was it upstream or one of your patches that removed the
[10:18] <Riddell> there is a no autostart key
[10:18] <allee> autostart yes/no question when kbt in quit?
[10:18] <allee> Riddell: ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> allee: I removed it
[10:19] <Tonio_> allee: simply because that would cause a doule start
[10:19] <Tonio_> allee: and also, due to your script, that would have been ignored
[10:19] <allee> Tonio_: ehe, we tried hard to no run bt when not available, but when bt is available but not wanted there's nothing ;)
[10:19] <Riddell> allee: don't know about that but I'm sure the .desktop autostart file has a key to test
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: if you don't care about bluetooth, you can just disable is hardware on most pcs right ?
[10:20] <allee> Tonio_: not every hardware (as you know) has a hardware switch to turn it off
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: btw yes you can just test for the users rc file and grep the setting
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: then start or not
[10:21] <Tonio_> then I can remove the patch indeed
[10:23] <allee> Tonio_: afaiu this is automaticly done by: X-KDE-autostart-condition=kbluetoothdrc:General:AutoStart:true
[10:23] <Tonio_> well let's unpatch then ;)
[10:24] <Tonio_> allee: yep that's to be changed :)
[10:24] <Tonio_> allee: I'll remove the patch and provide a new svn snapshot today
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you can disable it via hardware, but kbt still comes up anyway
[10:25] <allee> Tonio_: okay,  great.   'cause I'm busy today, and not sure about the WE
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: one thing
[10:25] <allee> Hobbsee: no not anymore.  If there no bt device, kbt will no longer start
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: how do we get the initial AUtoStart:true ? :)
[10:25] <Hobbsee> allee: since when?
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: what if the file doesn't exist ?
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: does it consider that no "false" means "true" ?
[10:26] <allee> Tonio_: I remove all kblu*rc yesterday and kbt was still started
[10:26] <allee> ^^ in ~/.kde only of course
[10:26] <Tonio_> allee: oki
[10:27] <Tonio_> allee: okay so I'll remove the patch
[10:27] <allee> Tonio_: I would need to experiment,  I've tried this feature years ago when it was implemented in kbt.  All I remember is it worked at that time :)
[10:29] <Tonio_> allee: I'll make tests too
[10:29] <allee> Hobbsee: when kblueplugd is running.  I think tonio uploaded it yesterday
[10:30] <Tonio_> allee: yep I did
[10:30] <Hobbsee> allee: ah, ok, i'll have to update, and will tell you when i reboot
[10:30] <allee> Hobbsee: enjoy my first python script :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> allee: :D
[11:52] <Tonio_> allee: : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/633
[11:52] <Tonio_> allee: ouch !!!!!
[11:52] <Tonio_> since yesterday......
[11:56] <allee> Tonio_: oiy!  svn log  since yesterday? ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> allee: yep :/ ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> allee: how many things broken ?
[11:58] <Tonio_> I bet at least 5 ;)
[12:05] <mhb> Jucato, nixternal: plasmoids are available in playground/base/ui/plasma I think
[12:05] <mhb> the default desktop looks kind of silly because it places non-existent plasmoids on the kicker-replacement
[12:22] <Tonio_> allee: interesting new functionnalities :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> allee: very cook changes in kdebluetooth I must say ;)
[01:31] <Tonio_> allee: the only thing that frightens me a bit is that they are adding new functionnalities without stabilizing old stuff....
[01:32] <Tonio_> allee: thanks to _stefans_ lots of things are fixed, but we should take care to get those patches in svn
[01:36] <allee> Tonio_: Stefan can ask on #bluetooth for inclusion.  I assume that when they see his stuff is okay, that he can then commit directly.
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: sure
[01:36] <allee> .. without asking first
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on ktorrent, there is a new bigfix release out
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: well some patches are just fixing segfaults........
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: I see no point not including them
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: 'just' ?   Your joking! Are there more important fixes than segfaults?
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: that's why we should get them in :)
[01:38] <allee> Tonio_: :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: and there there is more important, as security fixes btw :)
[02:45] <sahin_w> Riddell: ping
[02:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: I encountered yesterday a kmail eneterprise + IMAP problem.
[02:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: Maybe you are remember... I hope so.
[02:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: Shall I open a bug report against?
[02:48] <sahin_w> Riddell: Or are you working on it?
[02:49] <Riddell> sahin_w: I'm not, please report to bugs.kde.org on kdepim version enterprise
[02:50] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok.
[02:50] <sahin_w> Riddell: Shall I open a bug report on launchpad too?
[02:50] <sahin_w> Riddell: Or is this a pure upstream problem?
[02:51] <sahin_w> Riddell: In my case kmail useles in Gutsy.
[02:52] <Riddell> sahin_w: it's upstream only
[02:53] <Riddell> sahin_w: I'll probably revert to a more stable version when I get a moment
[02:53] <sahin_w> Riddell: I see, but the problem has been fixed already. One of the developer told me on the #kontack channel.
[02:55] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I should just take a more recent snapshot then
[03:10] <sahin_w> Riddell: Yes, please take a more recent snapshot.
[03:11] <sahin_w> Riddell: Would you take it? In this case I won't create a bug report on bugs.kde.org
[03:12] <Riddell> sahin_w: I will
[03:13] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok. In this case I won't finish my bug report.
[03:14] <sahin_w> Riddell: I can test the new snapshot on Monday, when I'm going to my office.
[03:14] <sahin_w> Riddell: So you have plenty of time. ;-)
[03:17] <sahin_w> sahin_w: Testing means: you will upload the new snapshot > I will upgraded on my vmware gutsy > I will connect to my imap account
[03:17] <sahin_w> Riddell: Testing means: you will upload the new snapshot > I will upgraded on my vmware gutsy > I will connect to my imap account
[03:18] <sahin_w> Riddell: And I will cros my fingers.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !info lynx gutsy
[03:33] <ubotu> lynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.6-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1138 kB, installed size 4860 kB
[03:48] <Tonio_> allee, or Riddell: ping ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you seem to be there, I'm trying to build latest kdebluetooth svn snapshot, and I have a strange build failure....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: serviceselectionwidgetbase.h: no such file or directory
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a serviceselectionwidgetbase.ui in the code, from which serviceselectionwidgetbase.h should be generated, but that doesn't seem to happen....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: where and how is that supposed to be generated ?
[03:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you have any idea on that point that's be good :)
[03:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: the build system should know to compile the file with uic
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[03:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I should see uic somewhere in the Makefile.in I guess right ?
[03:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that ./configure && make works like a charm.....
[03:57] <Riddell> what's in the Makefile.am ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/637
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the makefile.am
[03:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: possibly the .ui file is too late in that list
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: but what would be the difference beteween local compile and a deb build ?
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see what can be different on that point....
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: trying to put it sooner
[04:00] <Riddell> builddir!=sourcedir
[04:00] <Riddell> but that Makefile.am looks fine to me
[04:00] <Tonio_> hum true, but then I guess that the problem is in the include right ?
[04:00] <Tonio_> bad path
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's your opinion on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/87299 ?
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87299 in amarok "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty (no need to confirm behavior anymore)" [Undecided,In progress]
[04:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: they use windows + "action"
[04:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oups that's on gutsy
[04:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we should take care to change that too btw :)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i've lost you
[04:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't mind, just in gutsy make right click on the systray icon and you'll get my point ;)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, right, yes
[04:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why did it break in the first place?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Support for this was broken due to changes in the handling of keyboard shortcuts by gnome 2.18.
[04:05] <Riddell> oh, this is amarok running under gnome?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes
[04:05] <Riddell> so it still works with KDE?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> apparently
[04:06] <Riddell> trouble with that script is a good bunch of gnome users are not going to have python-dcop installed
[04:06] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/   <- main has qimageblitz and universe has kde4libs - both built on PPA
[04:06] <Riddell> nixternal: you rock
[04:07] <nixternal> that is pretty cool, as I added qimageblitz-dev to kde4libs build-dep, and it recognized it via the PPA...impressive
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, and whether it needs to be a dep for anything else...
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, it's in universe anyway
[04:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what is?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> py-dcop
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Jucato!
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee!
[04:07] <DaSkreech> nixternal!
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Riddell!
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Morning all
[04:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: right I can see that, ./obj-i486-linux-gnu/kdebluetooth/libkbluetooth/serviceselectionwidgetbase.h
[04:08] <Tonio_> so the inclusion fails due to file missing, but how to fix ? I have no idea....
[04:08] <nixternal> cool, they are delaying kde 4.0 for 2 months...good decision
[04:10] <mhb> nixternal: link?
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait, I'm wrong, it needs python dbus which should be fine
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[04:12] <DaSkreech> nixternal: .. where have I heard that before?
[04:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fell free to include it then
[04:13] <mhb> nixternal: found it
[04:13] <Riddell> there's a patch for amarok due to go in
[04:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm adding them
[04:19] <allee> Tonio_: kdebluetooth is missing Depends: python-dbus
[04:21] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you fixed flash right?
[04:21] <gnomefreak> for kubuntu atleast
[04:22] <gnomefreak> bug 136376 is what i am referring to
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136376 in flashplugin-nonfree "automatic update for mozilla-flashplayer make using flashplayer impossible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136376
[04:22] <Tonio_> allee: true, will ad that one
[04:23] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: look at the tribe 6 page
[04:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: think I got the fix, but then the problem is in makefile.am
[04:24] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[04:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the fix?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> Riddell: what did you do and i dont really see how it would screw up for ff
[04:25] <Riddell> gnomefreak: I think his problem is separate, although I've no idea what it is
[04:25] <gnomefreak> i was just wondering if you tweaked something that would have caused that
[04:26] <Riddell> well, it would help if I understood what was caused :)
[04:26] <Riddell> "I found the problem" so what is it?
[04:26] <Riddell> Program updated flashplayer-mozilla in diferent directory as it should so web browsers couldn't find it.
[04:27] <Riddell> let's ask asac
[04:27] <gnomefreak> i just did hes kind of loast as well
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ;p;
[04:27] <Riddell> gnomefreak: where?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> i asked him to come here
[04:28] <gnomefreak> we are both in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[04:29] <nixternal> hehe, someone finally noticed the K and gears on my blog header
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the INCLUDES line is incomplete
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: added several things and it works, now I have to find out which one fixes hehe :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you give back failed to build packages, in soyuz, or only depwait ones?
[04:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I can't give back anything
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, i suspected that.  but the people who *can* give back things...
[04:32] <Riddell> buildd admins can give back either, although depwait ones ought to sort themselves out
[04:32] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[04:33] <Hobbsee> thanks
[04:34] <nixternal> gnomefreak: that feature is coming
[04:34] <gnomefreak> cool
[04:34] <Hobbsee> mmm..  will be interesting to see if this actually builds
[04:34] <gnomefreak> its handy for the people ther enever used it and forgot to add universe to section lines
[04:35] <gnomefreak> or main or whatever other one
[04:35] <nixternal> ya, I always forget to add the section line myself in debian/control for the ppa
[04:36] <Jucato> yay now I can tell some people "I told you so!" :)
[04:36] <gnomefreak> i screwed up a few of them they built bins for main repo so now i make it a point to double check it
[04:36] <Jucato> nixternal: 4.0 delayed :)
[04:36] <nixternal> Jucato: yup
[04:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: I've done that
[04:36] <nixternal> we knew it would happen
[04:37] <Riddell> maybe it went away but I definately could
[04:37] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, my ppa now has qimageblitz in main :)
[04:37] <Jucato> I was just waiting for it to be announced hehe
[04:37] <Jucato> although I was hoping late november though...
[04:37] <gnomefreak> i have new nss nspr xulrunner will be there soon i hope
[04:37] <nixternal> even then would be a tight deadline
[04:38] <mhb> nixternal: groovy
[04:38] <nixternal> will the real Jucato please stand up
[04:39] <Jucato> that was on the desktop hehehe
[04:39] <Jucato> I'm still trying to figure out a nice setup for everything :(
[04:42] <nixternal> what?
[04:43] <Jucato> in the other room :)
[04:43] <nixternal> then it wouldn't be a streetfight would it :)
[04:43] <Jucato> roomfight?
[04:43] <Jucato> hehehe
[04:43] <nixternal> haha
[04:43] <nixternal> I was like, streetfight, PICS!#!
[04:43] <Jucato> screenshots/chat logs would be ok?
[04:44] <Jucato> :P
[04:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you're playing with amarok, the install-mp3 script could do with being changed to use adept_batch update
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: instead of apt-get update?
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:49] <Jucato> heya
[04:49] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:49] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[05:13] <ryanakca> mhb: you can ssh into groupware.kubuntu.co.uk if you wish to change your password.
[05:14] <bddebian> Can't adduser take a file as input?
[05:14] <nixternal> yessah
[05:15] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  http://librarian.dogfood.launchpad.net/7816673/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.amarok_2%3A1.4.7-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:15] <ryanakca> ouch
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why do i get ^ ?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> well, how do i fix it?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> do i have to relibtoolise first or something?
[05:18] <nixternal> that is an interesting issue there
[05:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've no idea, maybe it needs buildprep run on it
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought that buildprep went and undid it's changes aftwerwards?
[05:23] <Riddell> no
[05:23] <Riddell> wouldn't be much point if it did
[05:23] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i know it unapplies patches afterwards, though
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: no the fix doesn't work in fact.......
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't figure out out this works..... looked at ktorrent code for example, nothing specific and .h generated files are included correctly....
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird, really
[05:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm. looks like the '-f' option has disappeared...
[05:49] <Tonio_> allee: if you can help on that point, that would be nice, cause I'm really lost
[05:57] <allee> Hobbsee: build prep applies the patches; run make -f Makefile.cvs; reverts the patches; then makes diff of what's changed (Mostly .in files due to .am changes)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> allee: right
[05:57] <allee> Hobbsee: so all the autogenerated changes are hidden in 98_buildprep.diff.
[05:58] <allee> Tonio_: help with what?
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: ftbfs due to header inclusion fails
[05:59] <Riddell> allee: it doesn't make this diff
[05:59] <Riddell> you have to do that by hand
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: all include path are absolute, works with relative path, but I don't know how to get them relative :)
[05:59] <Riddell> or not in the case of kubuntu
[06:00] <allee> Tonio_: ftbfs of what amarok?
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: kdebluetooth latest svn
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: there is a new ui file that generates a .h
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: the point is that due to srcdir != builddir it fails to be included
[06:01] <Tonio_> allee: the key seems to be that in the g++ command all the path are absolute and not relative
[06:02] <Tonio_> allee: with relative things that seems to be okay
[06:02] <Tonio_> allee: have an idea on how to fix the issue
[06:02] <Tonio_> ?
[06:05] <Tonio_> allee: to make it simple, looking at the ktorrent buildlog, the g++ command to build main.cpp has this : -I../../ktorrent/libktorrent
[06:06] <Tonio_> I don't have that king of relative thing in kdebluetooth, and I don't understand why since I have the same INCLUDES in the makefiles
[06:06] <Tonio_> + .am files
[06:23] <allee> Tonio_: use one of $(src_dir)/path/to/dir $(build_dir)/path/to/dir or  $(top_srcdir)/path/in/source/tree  $(top_builddir)/...
[06:24] <allee> Tonio_: if it's a builddir != srcdir issue   $(src_dir)../../ktorrent/libktorrent should work (but it's ugly)  better get rid of ../../
[06:25] <Tonio_> allee: trying
[06:48] <Jucato> nixternal: you're the first to blog about the delay :P
[06:49] <ScottK> What delay?
[06:49] <Jucato> KDE 4.0
[06:59] <mhb> nixternal: speaking of "Kubuntu will produce the packages the day they are released" -- how's the beta 2 packages?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Whats his blog?
[07:00] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: blog.nixternal.com
[07:00] <Jucato> or just see in plante.ubuntu.com :)
[07:00] <DaSkreech> duh only the first hit on google
[07:00] <Jucato> (you're not subscribed? *shock*)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> nope
[07:45] <TheInfinity> hello ... is the adept bug known that in MIME type collumn the maintainer is shown? :)
[07:45] <TheInfinity> btw - MIME type is bad description - is should be description or something like that
[07:50] <ScottK> IIRC yes, but check launchpad for a bug.
[08:20] <Riddell> TheInfinity: yes, although we've no idea what's causing it
[08:22] <TheInfinity> okay ...
[09:18] <aantipop> i think i found a bug: once you used dolphins option to "open as root", each time you close dolphin in user-mode theres a error: unable to save bookmarks, permission denied, because bookmarks.xml permissions are root then
[09:18] <aantipop> (dolphin 0.9.1 on kde 3.5.7)
[09:35] <aantipop> should i file a bug on this on launchpad ?
[09:38] <aantipop> another thing: i changed dolphin to be the default file manager. if i click on trash, choose "open in a new window" i get the error: invalid adress "trash:/"
[09:55] <_moose_> Hi.
[09:55] <mhb> hi!
[09:56] <_moose_> I was just reading the HelpingKubuntu page on the wiki and I decided to see what's going on in the channel. Really love what Kubuntu does on my laptop!
[10:05] <mhb> mike_moose: what is going on? Well, the usual friday evening. Our BDFL is putting on his pyjamas, and the other Europeans will most likely do the same... the Americans enjoy their productive afternoon and so on
[10:08] <nixternal> mhb: we are just starting them now
[10:08] <nixternal> kde 4 beta 2 packages that is
[10:09] <Riddell> nixternal: I can give you more if you want
[10:09] <mhb> nixternal: by the way, is it possible not to be dependent on the Launchpad's building system this time?
[10:10] <nixternal> Riddell: sure....
[10:10] <nixternal> hey, what's up with KDE on Gutsy after recent updates? I can't paste w/o the system locking up
[10:10] <nixternal> in Kontact/KMail especially
[10:10] <nixternal> brb, gotta reboot again
[10:11] <nixternal> OK, back
[10:17] <mhb> today is really a nice day
[10:17] <mhb> full of news :o)
[10:17] <mhb> KDE delayed, Python 3000 alpha 1 is out
[10:36] <nixternal> wo0t...I love when people respond to blog posts by joining the channel list and wanting to help out
[10:37] <mike_moose> :)
[10:40] <kwwii> nixternal: be lucky that you can copy..pasting is really an advanced task :p
[10:42] <kwwii> erm, feel lucky....man my english is going down the tubes
[10:43] <tmske> nixternal: I have this also that I can't paste in Kontact/KMail. Kontact crashes, do still have this?
[10:43] <nixternal> yup
[10:45] <allee> hehe, fun does not stop there. With pop I got 2 time 'list incomplete'  then I only see empty msgs, loosing the real one.  9 msg up to now :(
[10:46] <tmske> nixternal: there is a bug in launchpad
[10:46] <nixternal> allee: does that happen when you do a manual mail check or when kontact/kmail does an auto download?
[10:47] <nixternal> kontact/kmail works fine when I start it up, but afterwards, if I do a manual mail check, I get the empty messages with "no subject" and "unknown" for sender and date
[10:47] <allee> nixternal: manual.
[10:47] <nixternal> it puts them in the trash and marks them as spam since they are empty
[10:48] <allee> nixternal: happened only 2 times so I can't see a pattern yet.  But yes, up to know it was never the first download.
[10:48] <nixternal> I have filed bugs on malone and upstream
[10:48] <allee> nixternal: no. I see the empty msg in my inbox
[10:49] <nixternal> ahh, mine gets flagged as spam and the default behavior I have is to move them to the trash
[10:49] <nixternal> I forgot that is how I did spam handling a while back
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw you uploaded dolphin with the fix for system in kicker, I forgot to do it..... sorry
[12:19] <Riddell> no problem, I made some other changes too
[12:19] <Tonio_> yup I saw that
[12:20] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth i fixed btw..... strange issue, still I know how to fix, but I don't understand why it doesn't work the same way that with others .ui files... doesn't make sense to me
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll prepare a UFV exception for ktorrent tomorrow
[12:22] <Riddell> ok
[12:22] <mhb> is it possible to do automated CD tests on a virtualization level?
[12:22] <mhb> Kubuntu automated CD test, of course
[12:23] <mhb> I wonder if Canonical is doing Ubuntu's somehow
[12:37] <mhb> Riddell: is there a chance you may know about this? ^^ Sorry for bothering you, feel free not to answer


[02:34] <pochu> fta: Accepted sqlite3 3.6.10-1 (source all amd64)
[02:34] <pochu> I hope you enjoy it :)
[08:13] <didrocks> hi everyone
[08:13] <didrocks> seb128: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~didrocks/gnome-games/ubuntu
[08:14] <seb128> lut didrocks, ok thanks
[08:14] <didrocks> sorry for the time taken for this. I will have more time from now
[08:14] <crevette> helo gents
[08:14] <didrocks> plop crevette
[08:15] <crevette> thanks seb128 for the hard work you did this night
[08:15] <crevette> salut didrocks
[08:19] <seb128_> grrrr jaunty, laptop frozen again
[08:20] <seb128_> if somebody was saying something to me please say it again
[08:20] <didrocks> seb128_: I don't remember who (^^) told me yesterday that it's time for me to upgrade to jaunty :)
[08:20] <seb128_> ;-)
[08:33] <crevette> seb128, frezes happen under which circonstances ?
[08:34] <seb128> crevette: usually after switching between users
[08:34] <crevette> ah
[08:34] <crevette> I remember I had some too, and my gf told she had some
[08:35] <crevette> I had also freezes when doing some intensive network I/O
[08:35] <crevette> but perhaps it is more tied the network driver
[08:36] <seb128> I don't think I've issues to io load
[08:37] <seb128> didrocks: what was this bzr url for gnome-games? my jaunty crashed
[08:38] <pitti> Good morning
[08:38] <seb128> hey pitti!
[08:38] <Tm_T> "its thursday"
[08:38]  * Tm_T hides
[08:38] <didrocks> seb128: it will be the futur url where mvo update desktop team bzr branch, normally
[08:38] <didrocks> morning pitti !
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks: ?
[08:39] <didrocks> seb128: oh, no the one in control, but the url I gave you?
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks: I ask you to repeat what you wrote before because my laptop and IRC crashed before I used it ;-)
[08:39] <didrocks> sorry, someone is speaking to me and my head get into trouble :)
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~didrocks/gnome-games/ubuntu
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks: I was going to ask if you can walk and talk in the same time but huats is not around so there is no point make a such joke ;-)
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks: thanks ;-)
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: :-p
[08:41] <didrocks> hopefully huats is not using irssi, so, you will not repeat that, don't you? ;)
[08:43] <didrocks> hum "do you?" is better
[08:43] <Tm_T> ?
[08:43]  * didrocks is seeing is Enligsh getting worse and worse since I came back from Ireland :(
[08:43] <didrocks> his\
[08:43] <didrocks> his*
[08:44] <crevette> didrocks, hopefully I can't notice you irish accent when I read you :)
[08:44] <crevette> your*
[08:45] <seb128> you can notice his french accent though ;-)
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: you're an evil person, you know :-)
[08:46] <seb128> !!!
[08:47] <seb128> didrocks: no I'm not ;-)
[08:47] <didrocks> seb128: and you had to quit/come back to this chan 3 times to be sure of that? ;)
[08:49] <seb128> didrocks: 3 times? I just closed IRC to show that's not how you talk to people there ;-)
[08:49] <didrocks> coffee time ^^
[08:49] <seb128> didrocks: anyway reviewing your changes now
[08:49] <seb128> didrocks: why did you drop the desktop path change?
[08:50] <didrocks> (one sec, searching for reference)
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks: we usually don't update the standards-version in ubuntu, that creates unrequired diff over debian
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: but gnome package are splitted between ubuntu and debian, aren't they?
[08:51] <seb128> didrocks: what do you mean splitted? we rebase our packaging on theirs every now and then
[08:51] <seb128> and the standards-version means you verified everything conforms to the current standards
[08:52] <seb128> which we usually don't bother doing
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I thought that gnome packages were never synced
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: and yes, I verified the changes :-)
[08:52] <seb128> ok, good then but that's usually a detail and we don't bother
[08:52] <didrocks> but ok, that's not necessary, I know it now
[08:53] <didrocks> for the patch, I have read somewhere that the best pratice was not to use full path
[08:53] <didrocks> but I was wrong reading http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s06.html
[08:53] <didrocks> /usr/games is in the path, why providing a full path?
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks: otherwise
[08:54] <seb128> $ diff -u gnome-games-<IP_ADDRESS>/configure.in build-area/gnome-games-2.25.5/configure.in | grep DBUS
[08:54] <seb128> +DBUS_GLIB_REQUIRED=0.75
[08:55] <seb128> didrocks: you didn't add this build depends
[08:55] <didrocks> my bad, correct :/
[08:56] <seb128> didrocks: in fact it seems to be only required when building with the theme installer option
[08:56] <seb128> so not a bug ;-)
[08:56] <didrocks> seb128: I do not have the configure.in (not access to my branch actually), let me take a look, one sec
[08:57] <seb128> didrocks: to know why changes are there usually read the debian changelog
[08:57] <seb128> didrocks:
[08:58] <seb128>   * desktop-path.patch: added, uses absolute paths for .desktop files
[08:58] <seb128>     (closes: #236618).
[08:58] <seb128> debian bug #236618
[08:59] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I note that in my todo. I was unsure of this change and was relying on my sponsor :)
[08:59] <seb128> ;-)
[08:59] <seb128> didrocks: otherwise good work
[08:59] <didrocks> so, diff in configure.in and always read the changelog, again :)
[08:59] <seb128> I'm test building it now
[09:00] <didrocks> seb128: I would prefer it has been perfect, but well... :/
[09:00] <didrocks> (ok, I see in configure.in)
[09:01] <seb128> lut huats
[09:01] <didrocks> hello huats
[09:01] <huats> hey seb128
[09:01] <seb128> huats: c'est à cette heure là qu'on arrive au boulot? ;-)
[09:01] <huats> how are you ?
[09:01] <seb128> good thanks
[09:01] <seb128> you?
[09:01] <huats> morning everyone too :)
[09:01] <huats> seb128: LOL
[09:01] <huats> good too
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: it's very early for him, now, you know? :)
[09:02] <huats> I just get connected now there is a small difference ;)
[09:02] <huats> (small I admit)
[09:02] <huats> (but I was working late yesterday on my daywork...)
[09:02] <didrocks> huats: time to boot? :-)
[09:02] <seb128> so he's basically starting at 10, reading mails for an hour, going for lunch, coming back at 15, doing some IRC and ubuntu work and then going for dinner?
[09:02] <huats> seb128: are you in the same office than me ?
[09:02] <huats> ;)
[09:03] <seb128> ;-)
[09:03] <huats> seb128: except that you forgot the various planet reading
[09:03] <huats> :p
[09:03] <seb128> heh
[09:03] <didrocks> I knew it, there was no scheduled time for ubuntu-fr! :-p
[09:04] <huats> seb128: the new gnome-keyring stuff FTBFS again (caused by the LDFLAGS like the previous time...)
[09:04] <huats> seb128: I'll see what I can do about it...
[09:04] <seb128> huats: anyway, jokes aside it's sponsoring time, hand the packages you had to update for today
[09:04] <huats> seb128: I will
[09:04] <seb128> ;-)
[09:04] <seb128> huats: the previous change doesn't apply this time?
[09:05] <huats> seb128: nope.
[09:05] <huats> I have to see if I can do some stuffs...
[09:06] <huats> seb128: I have something to do for my daywork right now
[09:06] <seb128> huats: just mail upstream
[09:06] <seb128> huats: ok, no hurry, good work
[09:06] <huats> but I'll will do my packages today :)
[09:06] <huats> and sure I'll mail upstream :)
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks: another trick to learn for you
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks:
[09:07] <seb128> $ dh_install --list-missing
[09:07] <seb128> dh_install: usr/share/gnome-games-common/theme-install.ini exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks: new file which should be installed in a binary and is not
[09:24] <seb128> huats, fta: btw libsqlite 3.6 has been uploaded to debian yesterday
[09:25] <huats> seb128: THANKS !
[09:25] <seb128> huats: I didn't do it, I just noticed the upload ;-)
[09:25] <huats> thanks anyway :)
[09:26] <huats> seb128: since there is DIF, I think I need to write something to ask for the inclusion...
[09:27] <huats> I'll have a look then (later today after the uploads seb128 :))
[09:27] <seb128> huats: you need a sync request bug and subscribe the sponsor team to the bug
[09:30] <huats> seb128: ok thanks
[10:08] <didrocks> seb128: sorry, I was in a meeting
[10:08] <didrocks> dh_install --list-missing, ok, noted
[10:09] <didrocks> can I fix the package this evening?
[10:09] <seb128> yes
[10:11] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I will try to add an extra stuff so that you would forgive me for this bad update :-)
[10:11] <seb128> ;-)
[10:11] <seb128> there is no problem don't worry!
[10:11] <pochu> pitti: looks like the liferea update is flawed :(
[10:12] <pochu> pitti: I'll investigate this later (have an exam in 50 minutes). Do we need to do anything special? It's not in -updates yet.
[10:13] <pitti> pochu: please follow up on the bug report and tag it regression-proposed
[10:13] <pitti> pochu: exam> oh, good luck with it!
[10:15] <pochu> pitti: it's an English exam, so will be ok :)
[10:16] <pochu> ok, tagged
[10:32] <seb128> crevette: why did you change the nautilus-sendto description? we usually try to not change debian descriptions when not required, that creates delta over debian and that breaks translations
[10:33] <crevette> seb128, ah sorry, I wanted to update the description with regards to new functions added, and about generic support of IM
[10:33] <crevette> later I dropped the description of upnp but I kept the IM part because it sounded me valuable
[10:34] <seb128> crevette: well, there is no real changes since we don't use universe components so it still use the same set
[10:34] <crevette> I can propose a new description for debian so
[10:35] <seb128> well, the issue is that I don't think your description bring a lot ;-)
[10:35] <seb128> "sending files to accounts in an Evolution email
[10:35] <seb128> - address book, contacts on a Pidgin or Gajim instant messaging list,
[10:35] <seb128> - through Thunderbird, or through Claws Mail (formerly Sylpheed Claws)."
[10:36] <seb128> changed to
[10:36] <seb128> "sending files to various components, as an attachement
[10:36] <seb128> + in a mail in evolution, Thunderbird, or Claws Mail, or to the contacts of various
[10:36] <seb128> + instant messaging client.
[10:36] <seb128> "
[10:36] <seb128> that's not that different
[10:36] <Nafallo> Gajim \o/
[10:36] <seb128> lol
[10:36] <crevette> it was better with the UPNP and the other thing I forgot
[10:38] <crevette> :)
[10:38] <crevette> anyway I won't be angy if you drp it
[10:40] <seb128> crevette: ok, I'll drop it for now
[10:40] <crevette> angry
[10:40] <crevette> my "R" is blocked :)
[11:01] <pitti> seb128: AFAIR we had a bug tag which said "that's a good thing to work on for new interested people"
[11:01] <pitti> seb128: do you happen to remember that?
[11:02] <seb128> pitti: launchpad has a builtin option to say you would sponsor work on the bug, you can use that
[11:02] <seb128> pitti: otherwise there is bitesize for small changes
[11:02] <pitti> bitesize! that was it, merci!
[11:03] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:36] <asac> mvo: any reason why jaunty-codec-install isnt targetted for jaunty?
[12:40] <asac> mvo: I assume gnome-codec-install integrate properly with gstreamer? e.g. gnash will still work too?
[13:26] <pochu> asac: hey :) is it possible to thread messages in TB by "reply-to"? I'm looking at making threads useful in my launchpad bug-mail folder, and by subject is not an option as Launchpad mangles it
[13:26] <pochu> reply-to would work as it's bug specific, e.g. "Reply-To: Bug 247040<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:27] <pochu> (does anybody else have a working solution for this?)
[13:28] <asac> pochu: doesnt tbird look at "References: "?
[13:28] <seb128> pochu: use evolution? ;-)
[13:28] <pochu> seb128: I tried :-) but I had a few issues...
[13:28] <pochu> I've moved 2 out of 3 accounts to Evo though
[13:28] <pochu> but they don't have hundreds of mails a day ;)
[13:28] <asac> evolution blocked on lack of evolution ;) (just kidding)
[13:29] <pochu> heh
[13:29] <pochu> asac: hmm, not sure, let me try
[13:30] <mvo> asac: yeah, it should just work fine
[13:31] <mvo> asac: updated (targeted for jaunty now)
[13:31] <pochu> asac: looks like it doesn't
[13:31] <pochu> asac: but thanks. will continue later, lunch now :)
[13:32] <asac> pochu: i have huge bug folders in tbird as its just rocking fast searching stuff and so on ... never noticed any bad threading issues
[13:32] <asac> pochu: but i am using shredder (thunderbird-3.0 package from ~fta +archive) ... maybe try that .. otherwise we should figure whats wrong and file bug
[13:34] <didrocks> seb128: I have worked on updating the bzr desktop team page. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr). If you don't like it, you can revert :)
[13:37] <seb128> didrocks: thank you, looking
[13:39] <seb128> didrocks: good work, that's clear and detailled ;-) we will probably tweak the workflow a bit but that's a good start
[13:40] <seb128> especially it would be nice to automate some of the testing or configure changes listing, etc
[13:40] <didrocks> seb128: hope that can provide some help to others :)
[13:40] <seb128> that will
[13:41] <didrocks> hum, I thought about removing debian/control from bzr
[13:41] <didrocks> as it is generated by debian/control.in in "rules clean"
[13:41] <didrocks> does this make sense?
[13:41] <seb128> I would not really bother
[13:41] <seb128> but I would not bother making sure it's uptodate either
[13:42] <didrocks> it is just because I think this is a source of mistake for new contributors
[13:44] <crevette> I admit I was mistaken several time
[13:45] <didrocks> seb128: I wanted to add some tricks for quilt + autotools (apply it one time, see which files are changed with find . -amin .. -type f > file and then make a quilt add ...). But this has to be in the packagingguide, hasn't it?
[13:47] <pitti> seb128: hm, I'm trying to get --short-docs to work (starting to work on bug 123035)
[13:47] <pitti> $ LANG= gconftool --short-docs /apps/drivemount-applet/prefs
[13:47] <pitti> No schema known for `/apps/drivemount-applet/prefs'
[13:47] <pitti> bug 123025, of course
[13:49] <pitti> hm, I get the same error with gconf-editor
[13:51] <pitti> seb128: ok, nevermind; works with /apps/baobab/ui/toolbar_visible
[14:02] <Keybuk> http://blogs.gnome.org/mortenw/2009/01/21/the-gtk-file-chooser-dialog/
[14:02] <Keybuk> I've seen that myself many times
[14:03] <seb128> re
[14:04] <seb128> pitti: sorry I was fighting the new gdm on my laptop and not looking at IRC
[14:04] <pitti> seb128: no problem, all set
[14:04] <seb128> didrocks: could be useful there too
[14:04] <pitti> seb128: I'm pretty surprised that gconf-schemas is a debianism; /var/lib/gconf/defaults/ doesn't look like being used from upstream?
[14:04] <didrocks> seb128: ok. I will put a note about it
[14:05] <seb128> pitti: no, they use /etc/gconf/schemas by default but using etc is against the debian policy
[14:10] <crevette> Keybuk, this is fixed in gtk 2.15.x
[14:11] <crevette> Keybuk, however I think patching libgtk for intrepid would be nice, because I was upset by this bug
[14:12] <seb128> it doesn't happen every time
[14:12] <seb128> it's only cosmetic, the change is not trivial and intrepid is not a lts
[14:12] <crevette> seb128, yeah, in epi it happen 2nd time I need filechooser
[14:12] <seb128> ie I doubt it'll be backported if there is not somebody interested doing the work
[14:15] <Keybuk> crevette: what was the bug?
[14:15] <Keybuk> I figured it had something to do with compiz?
[14:15] <crevette> no at all
[14:15] <crevette> this is the codre of filechooser
[14:15] <crevette> code
[14:15] <Keybuk> oh right
[14:15] <Keybuk> the reason I figured it had something do with compiz is that when it's appeared
[14:15] <Keybuk> it appears at that size
[14:16] <seb128> Keybuk: it's federico who did too much code simplication when cleaning the code some time ago
[14:16] <Keybuk> but the file chooser is being rendered normally
[14:16] <Keybuk> just at 1/2 scale
[14:16] <crevette> the upstream bug is closed now as federico commit new code to fix that
[14:16] <Keybuk> all the text, buttons, widgets are half the size
[14:16] <Keybuk> then it refreshes to be normal scale, half the window size
[14:16] <seb128> bug #285285
[14:16] <seb128> gnome bug #558776
[14:39] <glatzor> mvo, hello, would you please upload packagekit and packagekit-gnome 0.3.13?
[14:39] <mvo> glatzor: sure
[14:40] <mvo> glatzor: what is the current lp branch name?
[14:41] <mvo> glatzor: lp:~packagekit/pakcagekit/ubuntu-packagekit ?
[14:41] <mvo> 0.3.13-0ubvuntu1?
[14:42] <glatzor> mvo, correct.
[14:43] <mvo> glatzor: ok, I fix the changelog and upload then (sitll has UNRELEASED in it)
[14:44] <glatzor> mvo, i thought only the uploader should change the distro
[14:45] <mvo> glatzor: yeah, I never was so strict about that
[14:45] <mvo> glatzor: its fine, I just wanted to make sure there is no left over commit or anything
[14:50] <glatzor> mvo, is there an easy way to keep configuration for packges in debian/ but not build them?
[14:51] <mvo> glatzor: how do you mean? could could have a debian/rules.not-active in the source for example that would work
[14:52] <glatzor> mvo, if packagekit wants to go into main I should not build some of the more obscure packages, e.g the yum and smart backend, mozilla plugin, gstreamer installer
[14:53] <mvo> glatzor: that should be fine, those stuff can still go to universe
[14:53] <mvo> glatzor: and just packagekit itself goes to main
[14:53] <glatzor> mvo, are there any modifications required in the packaging? or is this an archive admin job?
[14:54] <mvo> glatzor: no modifications required, that is purely a archive thing (well, aisde from a MainInclusionReport)
[14:54] <mvo> glatzor: I guess riddell will write that anyway, no?
[14:54] <glatzor> mvo, right.
[14:55] <mvo> how is the qt frontend shaping up?
[14:55] <pochu> asac: it only happens with the [NEW] mails, the rest are correctly threaded it seems
[14:56] <glatzor> mvo, you can install it from the ppa. it seems to work.
[14:56] <asac> pochu: ah. yeah. those are even misthreaded in mutt
[14:56] <asac> pochu: definitly a launchpad prob imo
[14:56] <glatzor> mvo, it seems that suse picks up packagekit seriously
[14:58] <pochu> asac: hmm, also when the summary is changed (and thus the subject changes) it starts a new thread
[14:59] <mvo> glatzor: in what sense? what backend do they use with it? the yast one?
[14:59] <glatzor> mvo, zyppy
[15:00] <pochu> asac: but References seems to be correctly set
[15:04] <pochu> asac: I will try to update to TB 3 and see how it behaves
[15:04] <pochu> asac: thanks for the heads up :)
[15:06] <mvo> glatzor: how useful is the yum backend on a ubuntu system?
[15:06] <pochu> s/heads up/advice/
[15:07] <crevette> glatzor, mvo, is the packagekit better with deb distro now than few months ago ?
[15:08] <crevette> I thought it tested it last summer
[15:08] <glatzor> crevette, which issues did you encounter?
[15:09] <crevette> for instance after refreshing the list of updated packages in pkgkit, it won't see the packages to update
[15:10] <crevette> and I had various errors message with dbus and locking I believe
[15:17] <glatzor> crevette, the first one is fixed
[15:18] <glatzor> crevette, please write a bug report, if you see the error messages again
[15:20] <crevette> glatzor, okay I'll give it a try, I installed just few days to try it, but I removed it quickly
[15:20] <glatzor> mvo, the yum backend is only build because there is yum in Debian :)
[15:21] <glatzor> mvo, I use it for testing sometimes.
[15:21] <glatzor> mvo, but indeed it is confusing.
[15:22] <glatzor> mvo, I will remove the yum backend on the next upload. or is the upload still pending?
[15:27] <mvo> glatzor: just uploaded it, I don't really mind the backend, I was just curious :)
[15:46] <dholbach> hiya
[15:46] <dholbach> does anybody know where seb128 is?
[15:46] <crevette> hey dholbach
[15:46] <crevette> happy new year
[15:46] <dholbach> crevette: and the same to you!
[15:46] <crevette> seb128_ est parti (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[15:46] <dholbach> he's supposed to give a session in #ubuntu-classroom in 14m :)
[15:46] <crevette> perhaps he lost its internet access
[15:47] <crevette> aaah
[15:47] <dholbach> SEB128!
[15:47] <dholbach> Pushing out GNOME releases to millions of users!
[15:47] <seb128> hey dholbach
[15:47] <hggdh> seb128, ping, good morning and another difference on EDS trunk has surfaced
[15:47] <seb128> dholbach: , yeah, still 10 minutes right?
[15:47] <dholbach> seb128: yep, all the time in the world
[15:47] <seb128> hggdh: hi, which one?
[15:47] <didrocks> seb128: dholbach just began to worry :)
[15:47] <seb128> didrocks: trying to get the new gdm to work
[15:47] <hggdh> seb128, libical is now an external depends
[15:48] <seb128> so lot's of session restart, not worth starting IRC between
[15:48] <seb128> hggdh: right I noticed they were working on that
[15:48] <hggdh> current libical we ship is 0.33, eds requires 0.43
[15:48] <didrocks> seb128: good luck, seems to be a hard stuff (I looked at the it a little bit, following the desktop team meeting)
[15:48] <seb128> we will need to update, version updates are not really an issue
[15:48] <seb128> didrocks: thanks
[15:49] <hggdh> OK, will open an upgrade request
[16:00] <hggdh> seb128, done
[16:01] <seb128> hggdh: what is done?
[16:01] <seb128> sorry got a presentation starting now ;-)
[16:02] <hggdh> seb128, the upgrade request for libical
[17:05] <seb128> hggdh: re, sorry I got sidetracked by the presentation on the other channel
[17:06] <seb128> hggdh: did you open the request to debian or on launchpad or both?
[17:09] <seb128> pochu: thanks for forwarding the questions between the channels
[17:17] <pochu> seb128: yw
[17:22] <didrocks> seb128: I think we don't ship upstream *.scores and use the ones provided by postinst?
[17:26] <seb128> didrocks: right
[17:50] <crevette> hello
[17:52] <crevette> hey gents
[17:52] <hggdh> seb128, just in LP right now
[17:52] <crevette> do you have some tarball I can package
[17:52] <crevette> hggdh: he left
[17:53] <hggdh> crevette, just noticed... thanks
[17:54] <crevette> I take vinagre / vino if you don't care
[17:54] <mvo> ember: thatnks for your brasero update, I'm happy to sponsor it
[18:16] <didrocks> Nafallo: there?
[18:17] <Nafallo> didrocks: hi
[18:17] <didrocks> Hi :)
[18:17] <hggdh> question: if an updated version of a package exists in Debian, and there are no local changes, is this an upgrade or sync request?
[18:17] <didrocks> Nafallo: I am looking for adding lpi to a python software. I saw there used to be one for gajim and I cherrypicked it
[18:18] <didrocks> Nafallo: but in 0.12~beta1-0ubuntu1 you dropped it. And I wonder why :)
[18:19] <didrocks> (away for half an hour, but I will read your answer then ;))
[18:20] <asomething> hggdh: if there are no Ubuntu changes, then it would be a sync
[18:20] <hggdh> asomething, thanks, I will correct the bug I opened
[18:27] <Nafallo> didrocks: cause we didn't use it at all. just added complexity I didn't need.
[18:27] <Nafallo> didrocks: i.e. the stuff was there, but we didn't use LP as the lp-integration was supposed to be used.
[18:28] <didrocks> Nafallo: ok. this is not because of lpi no more supported for python in jaunty (I was afraid of that :))
[18:28] <didrocks> Nafallo: thanks a lot for your answer
[18:28] <Nafallo> didrocks: no worries.
[18:36] <Amaranth> So I just wasted two hours looking to see what KDE and GNOME do differently when changing cursor themes that would make compiz update the cursors in KDE but not in GNOME
[18:37] <Amaranth> Turns out kde-window-decorator checks for these changes and updates itself, compiz never updates it's two visible cursors
[18:37] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[18:38] <Amaranth> And kde-window-decorator seems to update these cursors every time you move your mouse (!)
[18:43] <Amaranth> mvo: The fullscreen stacking fixes patch should be in git now, btw
[18:43] <Amaranth> working on the cursor theme one now
[19:31] <pochu> so no webkit for 2.26
[19:35] <dobey> \o/
[20:22] <mvo> you rock Amaranth
[20:36] <crevette> I update epiphany
[20:41] <Amaranth> mvo: Do you know if any of the drivers that support compiz still default to XAA? I'm a bit out of the loop there
[20:41] <Amaranth> I know intel defaults to EXA, what about ati?
[20:44] <johanbr> Amaranth: -ati in jaunty uses exa, https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/269357
[20:46] <mvo> Amaranth: I don't know, #ubuntu-x will know for sure
[20:47] <crevette> seb128: hi, bratche was looking for you on {gnome-hackers
[20:47] <seb128> crevette: hello, you know why?
[20:47] <crevette> no
[20:55] <crevette> damn I wondered why my sponsor request for vinagre was still no pushed... dumb em as usual
[20:57] <Amaranth> mvo: Ok, since intel and ati both use exa we can probably drop that first patch
[20:58] <Amaranth> mvo: the one that sets the _COMPIZ_GL_INCLUDE_INFERIORS or whatever
[21:05] <mvo> Amaranth: fine with me, its a devel release, people will yell if it breaks something :)
[21:08] <didrocks> seb128: I have reworked on (and hopefully fixed) gnome-games: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~didrocks/gnome-games/ubuntu
[21:09] <didrocks> and for bonus point, I added LPI to glchess and gnome-sudoku (python games) :)
[21:09] <seb128> didrocks: excellent
[21:12] <asomething> seb128: Hi, when you get a chance, could you take a look at bug #319400
[21:12] <seb128> asomething: hey, I read it and planned to comment but that has been a busy day, I need to ping the server team about the openchange and samba syncs
[21:13] <seb128> e-d-s and evo need to be updated to 2.25, did you do that? are you interested to work on those updates?
[21:13] <seb128> we might wait for next tarballs to upload though because they screwed a soname which is fixed in svn now
[21:13] <asomething> seb128: i just built them locally
[21:13] <seb128> they had some configure version lower in 2.25 compared to 2.24
[21:14] <seb128> let me know if you are interest by doing the 2.25 jaunty updates, that would be welcome, I'm already quite busy on other things and keep delaying those
[21:15] <asomething> seb128: the openchange and samba syncs also aren't essential, but my real issues is that compile problem mentioned in the report
[21:15] <didrocks> seb128: I can handle one or two tomorrow if that can help
[21:16] <seb128> asomething: I need to ask upstream or the server team about that
[21:16] <seb128> asomething: I'll update the bug tomorrow it's late for them now
[21:17] <asomething> seb128: great, thanks
[21:17] <seb128> thank you for your work ;-)
[21:18] <crevette> seb128: I finished to put the vinagre update from 2 weeks ago in lp and I did the vino update of today
[21:19] <seb128> crevette: thanks
[21:21] <crevette> bah, so little work
[21:21] <crevette> not a problem :)
[21:26] <asomething> seb128: i can't commit to doing the e-d-s/evo upgrades right now, i'll check in tomorrow and can probably take them if no one else wants to
[21:27] <asomething> seb128: libgweather will have to get updated for them, i just disabled it when building locally
[21:27] <seb128> asomething: they are waiting for a while so if you want to do those you have time, they can get uploaded next week for example
[21:27] <seb128> I started on this one but I've a build issue remaining
[21:27] <lovlexir> Him somebody know how reconfigure my GDM ??
[21:27] <seb128> I'll try to get it done tomorrow
[21:27] <lovlexir> Hi, somebody know how reconfigure my GDM ??
[21:27] <seb128> lovlexir: sudo gdmsetup and click?
[21:28] <lovlexir> but i can´t login in graphic intercafe...
[21:28] <lovlexir> from terminal can i access?
[21:31] <didrocks> time to go to bed. Have a good night/day everyone :-)
[21:31] <lovlexir> i install some packages for multimeia, from soundforge and anoter, and from there the Xserver do not start....
[21:31] <lovlexir> «didrocks» good night :)
[21:32] <lovlexir> any talk spanish :$
[21:32] <lovlexir> somebody ? :'(
[21:34] <seb128> lovlexir: try #ubuntu, this channel is one where people work not one for user questions
[21:34] <lovlexir> sorry
[22:20] <hggdh> seb128, I changed the upgrade request for libical to a sync request -- debian already has libical-0.4.3 in Sid
[22:20] <seb128> hggdh: excellent ;-)
[22:21] <hggdh> so now we have two blocks on going to Evo 2.25.4/5 on Jaunty: libical and libpst
[22:21] <hggdh> 2.25.5, to be more correct
[22:24] <seb128> hggdh: we will likely wait for next tarballs, the configure version were lower in 2.25 than 2.24 for some reason, I noticed that when looking at the update and srag fixed it to svn today
[22:25] <seb128> hggdh: doing the 2.25 update would require to lower a soname to update it again in the next upload
[22:29] <seb128> hggdh: you want to subscribe the main sponsor team since libical is in main now
[22:30] <seb128> hggdh: don't bother I do sync it now
[22:47] <hggdh> seb128, thank you
[22:48] <seb128> you're welcome


[11:11] <vandenoever> hi guys, is this the right place to ask something about installing ubuntu-server with a special driver?
[09:38] <nyu> hi
[09:46] <cjwatson> nyu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment
[09:46] <nyu> yeah, seen /topic :)
[09:46] <nyu> thanks
[09:59] <nyu> uhm I suspect some part of the manual partitioning GUI is imported from somewhere else, could that be?
[09:59] <nyu> I can't find some of the strings
[09:59] <cjwatson> gparted
[09:59] <cjwatson> or qtparted
[09:59] <nyu> okie
[10:50] <evand> cjwatson: any ideas, or perhaps you'd prefer this in email?
[10:52] <evand> sorry to pester, I wasn't sure if you saw the above message


[06:50] <jibel> good morning
[06:52] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[06:52] <jibel> Salut didrocks ! ça va bien et toi ?
[06:52] <didrocks> ça va bien :)
[07:01] <Mirv> didrocks: infinity just noted that now the raring SRU packages, old ones, are really cleaned by some auto garbage collector :(
[07:02] <Mirv> so built files no longer there
[07:02] <didrocks> Mirv: urgh because they waited for too long?
[07:02] <didrocks> Mirv: can you publish a recent raring build (if tests pass) then, and he can have a look *now*?
[07:04] <Mirv> didrocks / infinity: slightly newer ones are still there. I did my last check of the bugs and such around the 13.05.16 snapshots, so those versions of the same packages should be good at least
[07:04] <Mirv> but I guess we can't request a sync for past package versions?
[07:04] <didrocks> Mirv: no, you need for the latest, the run didn't have tests passing?
[07:07] <Mirv> didrocks: which run? the latest? all tests seem to have passed, indicators is just in manual publishing mode
[07:07] <Mirv> didrocks: how do you feel about copying selected packages into SRU PPA instead the sync method?
[07:08] <Mirv> copying the 05.16 packages would still be possible
[07:10] <Mirv> I'm a bit middle of Qt update for precise/quantal, so I'm not sure if I've time to do the bug overwhaul for the latest .30 packages today
[07:11] <didrocks> Mirv: TBH, the SRU starts to be more important thatn the Qt update on older release
[07:11] <didrocks> Mirv: so if I were you, I would shift the priority on that today
[07:11] <Mirv> didrocks: yeah, well, I already did half of it and I need to ensure everything went alright..
[07:12] <Mirv> but that's less work anyhow than continuing
[07:12] <didrocks> Mirv: so I guess better to force the publish if the bug numbers are good in each package
[07:12] <didrocks> then, let's hope the SRU team will have time to review it :)
[07:12] <Mirv> didrocks: so you'd like to have the .30 releases checked, so you can do the copy request to queue?
[07:12] <Mirv> didrocks: instead of copying the .30 releases to a special SRU PPA and doing the requests from there?
[07:12] <didrocks> Mirv: can force the publication if you ensure me the bugs listed are fine
[07:13] <didrocks> Mirv: yeah, better than a copy between ppas
[07:13] <Mirv> ok, I'll let you know when I've had the latest bugs checked etc
[07:13] <didrocks> thanks :)
[07:13] <didrocks> Mirv: thinking of it, what about creating a tool later on for SRU that can check for SRU compliance grepping all new entries in the changelog?
[07:17] <Mirv> sounds useful
[07:36] <seb128> hey desktopers, happy friday!
[08:02] <sil2100> didrocks: morning! :)
[08:03] <sil2100> didrocks: did you remove the previous evdev version from the new queue? Since I see it still in NEW for saucy
[08:05] <Laney> hey!
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, sil2100: hey, happy friday
[08:06] <sil2100> Laney, seb128: heya! Happy Friday indeed
[08:07] <Laney> yeah, the sun came out!
[08:09] <sil2100> didrocks: and daaamn, when unity's check job was FINALLY green for head, unity just had to fail on the build step, because of unity-lens-music having a build problem... What luck
[08:09] <sil2100> didrocks: should I force a publish?
[08:09] <didrocks> sil2100: is unity-lens-music built now?
[08:10] <sil2100> didrocks: it's building
[08:10] <didrocks> you need to wait for it to be built
[08:10] <didrocks> what's the number of tests failing?
[08:10] <sil2100> didrocks: 11 and 13
[08:10] <didrocks> ok, back to normal so :)
[08:10] <sil2100> \o/
[08:10] <didrocks> so yeah, once built, please do a manual publishing
[08:10] <didrocks> sil2100: then, on Monday, let's move it to saucy?
[08:10] <didrocks> which would mean, move autopilot 1.3 to saucy
[08:10] <sil2100> Awesomeness
[08:10] <didrocks> so better to check with the touch guys
[08:13] <didrocks> seb128: do you have time to review phablet-tools and android-audiosystems in new?
[08:13] <seb128> didrocks, sure
[08:13] <didrocks> thanks :)
[08:13] <Laney> oh, we didn't get an LO upload last night?
[08:14] <seb128> Laney, no, I'm lost on what needs to be changed in there and nobody else was left around
[08:14] <Laney> oh right
[08:14] <Laney> taking this: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf27df32a74473a045605a8e7b02b5586a6ebcd8
[08:15] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, around?
[08:53] <didrocks> tseliot: hey, how are you?
[08:53] <tseliot> didrocks: hi, I'm fine, thanks, you?
[08:54] <didrocks> tseliot: I'm good thanks.
[08:54] <didrocks> I think I'll prefer rejecting nvidia-prime
[08:54] <didrocks> tseliot: have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719278/
[08:55] <tseliot> didrocks: I can make those corrections, test and reupload today
[08:55] <didrocks> tseliot: great, thanks!
[08:55] <didrocks> tseliot: keep me posted, I'm reject the other one for now, ok?
[08:56] <tseliot> didrocks: thanks for your suggestions :)
[08:56] <tseliot> yep
[08:56] <didrocks> yw!
[09:09] <tseliot> didrocks: what's the problem with .in files?
[09:09] <didrocks> tseliot: just that you have the generated one in the package and the .in next to them
[09:09] <didrocks> tseliot: it's just a suggestion to have the .in only, as none are needed to build the source package
[09:10] <didrocks> and during the build, the .in -> in
[09:10] <didrocks> opsss .in -> file
[09:10] <didrocks> debian/rules clean would remove those generated file
[09:10] <didrocks> (that avoids someone editing the file without the .in)
[09:10] <didrocks> we had a lot of those examples in the desktop team :)
[09:11] <tseliot> didrocks: ah, I misread what you wrote. So anything but the .install file should remain there?
[09:13] <didrocks> tseliot: hum, do we need the postinst as well? I think just keep the .in and remove the file you generate in debian/rules
[09:14] <tseliot> didrocks: sure, I'll remove them all
[09:14] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:16] <seb128> didrocks, hum, phablet-tools minor nitpick
[09:16] <seb128> License: GPL-3
[09:16] <seb128> ...
[09:16] <seb128> See the applicable version of the GNU Lesser General Public
[09:16] <seb128>  License for more details.
[09:16] <seb128>
[09:16] <seb128> didrocks, seems like somebody took the snippet of the LGPL and dropped the L but forgot to drop the Lesser in the text
[09:16] <seb128> didrocks, same bug in some of the sources
[09:16] <didrocks> seb128: mind telling that to upstream?
[09:17] <didrocks> (sergio)
[09:17] <seb128> didrocks, who is upstream?
[09:17] <seb128> ok
[09:17] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:17] <seb128> accepting anyway, it's just a typo
[09:17] <didrocks> I didn't check the packags FYI
[09:17] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[09:17] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:17] <seb128> yw
[09:23] <tseliot> didrocks: are there any examples of packages using /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults ?
[09:25] <didrocks> tseliot: I think ubuntustudio-desktop should use it (or ubuntustudio-default-settings)
[09:25] <didrocks> tseliot: I think you'll need a lightdm patch though
[09:26] <tseliot> didrocks: a lightdm patch?
[09:30] <didrocks> tseliot: yeah, to set the value you need (if not supported already)
[09:30] <didrocks> tseliot: should be few lines
[09:31] <tseliot> didrocks: the main problem is that I will have to backport this to Precise too (well, not today)
[09:34] <didrocks> tseliot: maybe check with robert_ancell? How do you add the stenza if lightdm.conf is there (as you don't add it as of today)
[09:35] <tseliot> didrocks: right now I'm simply using a custom file that I ship
[09:35] <tseliot> didrocks: I can try to pick the one from the system and add that section
[09:35] <didrocks> tseliot: right, but if the file is already installed (main case), you don't add anything to lightdm.conf?
[09:35] <didrocks> tseliot: yeah, seems better
[09:36] <tseliot> didrocks: ok, I'll work on that then
[09:36] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:57] <Sweetshark> seb128: around now.
[09:57] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[09:58] <seb128> Sweetshark, can you get a libreoffice upload ready for the issue we discussed yesterday? Laney got the new (old) package in saucy
[09:59]  * Sweetshark got two vaccination shots yesterday, kicked me harder than expected.
[09:59] <Sweetshark> seb128: so just adjusting the breaks right?
[09:59] <seb128> Laney, ^
[09:59] <Laney> no no
[10:00] <Laney> drop the Build-Conflicts and adjust the Build-Depends
[10:00] <seb128> Sweetshark, http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf27df32a74473a045605a8e7b02b5586a6ebcd8
[10:00] <seb128> do the equivalent
[10:00] <seb128> ?
[10:00] <Laney> can you cherry-pick that ... ^ ?
[10:00] <Sweetshark> Laney: yes, no problem.
[10:00] <Laney> great
[10:01] <Sweetshark> seb128: will a upload to chinstrap do for you to pick up there?
[10:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, yes please
[10:59] <tseliot> didrocks: how about this? It seems to work well here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719555/
[11:02] <Mirv> didrocks: 13.05.31~13.04, sources good for publishing: bamf compiz libindicator nux unity unity-lens-applications unity-lens-videos
[11:09] <Sweetshark> seb128, Laney: I see hsqldb1.8.0 in saucy, but doesnt it need to be MIRed?
[11:09] <seb128> Sweetshark, no, it's code that was already in main
[11:09] <Laney> it should have been NEWed to main
[11:09] <Laney> wasn't, but can be promoted as seb says
[11:09] <Sweetshark> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hsqldb1.8.0 <- says universe
[11:09] <seb128> that's ok, we tend to promote things when they show on component mismatch
[11:10] <seb128> e.g when something start using them
[11:10] <Sweetshark> seb128: ok, so not blocking on that then.
[11:10] <tseliot> seb128: how does one apply for archive admin privileges?
[11:10] <seb128> no need to block indeed, thanks for checking ;-)
[11:11] <seb128> tseliot, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ask on #ubuntu-release
[11:11] <Laney> I think all of evo/eds/empathy is now uploaded
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[11:12] <tseliot> seb128: ok, thanks
[11:13]  * Laney wonders why logind needs an entire core
[11:14] <ogra_> thats a lennartrule
[11:14] <Laney> it's doing his bitcoin mining
[11:14] <ogra_> yeah
[11:36] <Sweetshark> seb128: libreoffice_4.0.2-0ubuntu3_source.changes is on chinstrap, but hasnt finished building locally
[11:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, well, you only changed the depends/conflicts stuff, no reason the build would change from the previous one right?
[11:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: I just vividly remember Linus from his talk on git at google in moments like this "developer makes a small commit that ... cant ... possibly ... break ... anything" ;)
[11:39] <seb128> Sweetshark, well, Linus might screw up but you don't, right? ;-)
[11:48] <didrocks> Mirv: ok, mind publishing them? You have the credentials ;)
[11:50] <didrocks> tseliot: that looks good to me :) I wonder about the cat however. It won't be marked as a conffile?
[11:50] <didrocks> tseliot: so, it will never be purged and not sure what happens if lightdm retry to restore it?
[11:51] <tseliot> didrocks: it will be purged with lightdm
[11:51] <tseliot> didrocks: and when nvidia-prime is removed, only that specific line that we added is removed
[11:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: I try to keep my screw-ups private -- sometimes I fail at that. I wouldnt want to be private screw-up free at all -- its the best way to learn. ;)
[11:52] <seb128> ;-)
[11:53] <Sweetshark> seb128: but yeah, the pbuilder is way past build-deps and ./configure, so the risks of this blowing up still are rather small.
[11:53] <seb128> Sweetshark, shrug, your upload was targetted to raring ... can you redo it for saucy?
[11:53]  * tseliot > lunch
[11:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: arrgh.
[11:54]  * Sweetshark shakes angry fist at dch.
[11:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, bonus point if you -S only rather including all the orig tarballs in the upload
[11:56] <Sweetshark> seb128: wait, both is correct here. Maybe the scp to chinstrap went wrong?
[11:56]  * Sweetshark checks
[11:56] <seb128> Sweetshark, both what?
[11:58] <didrocks> tseliot: but if there was no lightdm.conf
[11:58] <didrocks> then, nvidia-prime installs it
[11:58] <didrocks> we purge nvidia-prime
[11:58] <didrocks> only the line is removed, not the installed lightdm.conf that nvidia-prime "owned"? (as there was none)
[12:00] <Sweetshark> seb128: hmm, *confused* ... my scp copies them _somewhere_, but the files in my home on chinstrap look different.
[12:03] <Mirv> didrocks: ok, will check the command line via /msg with you
[12:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: /home/bjoern/libreoffice_4.0.2-0ubuntu3* on chinstrap now look good to me.
[12:04] <tseliot> didrocks: shall I remove the case in which the lightdm.conf is created when it's not found then?
[12:06] <seb128> Sweetshark, looks good indeed, thanks
[12:07] <didrocks> tseliot: I think it makes sense to not activate it, lightdm surely doesn't run in that case
[12:07] <didrocks> tseliot: then, please upload, I'll rereview quickly :)
[12:17] <tseliot> didrocks: I have just uploaded the package.  If you want to have a look at the diff with the latest change: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719713/
[12:17] <didrocks> tseliot: ah, excellent, thanks!
[12:17] <didrocks> looks good :)
[12:18] <tseliot> didrocks: thanks a lot for your help. I really appreciate it :)
[12:19] <didrocks> tseliot: thanks for changing that and fixing that up quickly :)
[12:22] <tseliot> :)
[12:53] <didrocks> tseliot: oh, I still have the files in the source package
[12:53] <didrocks> tseliot: I think debian/rules clean should remove them
[12:53] <didrocks> let me ensure I cleaned my /tmp
[12:53] <tseliot> didrocks: yes, they shouldn't really be in the tarball
[12:54] <didrocks> tseliot: looks gorgious, a quick build and I'll hack :)
[12:54] <tseliot> good :)
[12:55] <didrocks> tseliot: NEWed :)
[12:55] <didrocks> seb128: any chance for android-audiosystem if you get a minute? :)
[12:56] <tseliot> didrocks: excellent, thanks. Can we move it to main when we have the binary or shall I file a MIR? (not urgent)
[12:57] <didrocks> tseliot: I think a MIR will be better, I tried to not review for MIR a package I review for NEW
[12:57] <tseliot> didrocks: ok, good. Thanks again
[12:58] <didrocks> yw ;)
[13:11] <seb128> didrocks, I started looked at it earlier but it's not a trivial source ... you could review it btw, you are not the one who uploaded ;-)
[13:12] <seb128> started looking*
[13:13] <didrocks> seb128: I cleaned up the package and still on deploying otto
[13:13] <didrocks> so don't really feel independant enough for that one
[13:13] <seb128> k, I will finish it
[13:13] <seb128> I stopped because I was unsure what to do with the pulseaudio config files that are in there and under the LGPL2+ but not listed in copyright
[13:14] <didrocks> seb128: IIRC, rsalveti is upstream for it with ricmm
[13:18] <seb128> didrocks, are they doing the packaging/debian copyright as well?
[13:19] <didrocks> seb128: they did, but we can help fixing it
[13:19] <mterry> didrocks, seb128: hello, happy Friday!  So for this 100scopes MIR, I noted that the launchpad and sshsearch scopes are python2 (for understandable reasons).  Does the desktop team still want them bad enough to add to the python2 base?
[13:20] <didrocks> launchpad is forced by the launchpadapi
[13:20] <seb128> mterry, hey, happy friday
[13:20] <didrocks> not sure for sshsearch!
[13:20] <didrocks> happy friday mterry :)
[13:20] <mterry> didrocks, that's by python-paramiko
[13:20] <seb128> didrocks, I think that's what he meant by "for understandable reasons"
[13:21] <seb128> but good question
[13:21] <seb128> I would prefer avoid adding new python2 package to the default desktop at this point
[13:21] <didrocks> maybe we should bring barry to that discussion? ^
[13:21] <didrocks> hum, no barry around :)
[13:27] <seb128> didrocks, to who/where do I do review comments about android-audiosystem then?
[13:28] <didrocks> seb128: I would say #ubuntu-touch and ping them
[13:43] <Laney> did we decide to keep apport bug reporting turned off?
[13:44] <seb128> no, we didn't discuss it
[13:44] <seb128> but pitti is off until monday so today is not a good day to discuss it I guess
[13:44] <seb128> Laney, do you have an opinion on the topic?
[13:45] <seb128> grrrarr
[13:45] <Laney> well, I just enabled it on my systems because I feel like the bug reports give better tracking
[13:45] <Laney> like I can come back and see the trace much easier
[13:45] <seb128> Sweetshark, Laney: libreoffice build fails on
[13:45] <seb128> "checking which hsqldb to use... external
[13:45] <seb128> checking for /usr/share/java/hsqldb.jar... no
[13:45] <seb128> configure: error: hsqldb.jar not found."
[13:45] <Laney> oh dear
[13:46] <Laney> yeah there's some other commits for that
[13:46] <Laney> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=fec801a1525c478491d64e4508c7f85f1957b50a;hp=d6bb384bb864f566e343a83f1fccbcb2cf89584b
[13:47] <jbicha> Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-contacts/3.8.0-1ubuntu1/+build/4630249
[13:47] <Laney> jbicha: depwait?
[13:47] <Laney> yeah
[13:47] <Laney> ho hum
[13:47] <seb128> Laney, cheese is not in main
[13:48] <Laney> yeah, just missed it when merging
[13:49] <Laney> why did it build in the PPA? I turned on the option to follow the archive components to catch things like this :|
[13:51] <seb128> go figure :/
[13:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^ any idea?
[13:52]  * Laney is going to test-build a cherry-pick of that thing
[13:52] <seb128> I would look a bit more into it if libreoffice was not taking like half an hour to download, 15 minutes to unpack, 10 hours to build, etc
[13:52] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[13:58] <Laney> running lintian on LO might have been an error
[13:58] <Laney> could be some time
[13:59] <seb128> indeed
[13:59] <seb128> running anything on LO seems like an error after 15 minutes :p
[13:59] <desrt> hai guies
[14:00] <seb128> desrt, howdy
[14:00] <desrt> seb128: teach me something new!
[14:00] <desrt> it's learn-something-friday!
[14:01] <Laney> libreoffice build-depends on firefox!
[14:01] <ogra_> is that new ?
[14:01] <Laney> dunno, this is all new to me
[14:01]  * ogra_ thought that was the case for ages
[14:01] <Laney> it's only 337M of deps to download, though it would be worse
[14:01] <ogra_> but probably it is new for desrt
[14:02] <desrt> hmm
[14:02] <desrt> learn-something-new-and-useful friday? :)
[14:02]  * Laney wasn't trying to teach :P
[14:02] <czajkowski> seb128: doesnt running LO *always* result in an error :)
[14:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: hang on, Im in a call
[14:03] <seb128> desrt, on the amusing fact we are just closing the coldest month of may in 30 years with 30% less sun that the normal over the month for France
[14:04]  * seb128 wants summer
[14:04] <czajkowski> seb128: at least you have summmer and sunshine!
[14:04] <czajkowski> lets not rub it in to those who've yet to have nice weather :9
[14:04] <seb128> czajkowski, I hope we still do!
[14:04] <czajkowski> :(
[14:04] <desrt> seb128: it's going to be 30° here today
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, can't win?
[14:04] <czajkowski> desrt: where are you ?
[14:04]  * seb128 wants 25°C
[14:04] <larsu> seb128: me too!
[14:04] <czajkowski> 25-28 is rather nice
[14:04] <Laney> we've got 21 here
[14:05] <czajkowski> Laney: up north!
[14:05] <desrt> czajkowski: toronto
[14:05] <Laney> ate lunch outside and everything
[14:05] <czajkowski> desrt: oh nice, but you also get way too much so,  I did at one point consider moving there
[14:06] <czajkowski> Laney: coming down to london any time soon ?
[14:06] <Laney> hopefully not :P
[14:06] <desrt> czajkowski: i've been concluding lately that toronto is the best city on earth.  i'd advise anyone to move here :)
[14:07] <Laney> seb128: alright, LO at least passed configure ...
[14:07] <seb128> Laney, good enough, upload!
[14:07] <seb128> ;-)
[14:08] <Laney> the build actually seems to parallelise
[14:08] <Laney> it'll almost certainly run out of space
[14:09] <attente> is anyone else missing their datetime indicator?
[14:10] <seb128> no
[14:10] <seb128> attente, do you have indicator-datetime-service running?
[14:11] <seb128> attente, if not, do you get any error if you try to run it by hand (it's in /usr/lib/$arch/indicator-datetime-service)
[14:11] <attente> huh.. that was really weird, it wasn't installed
[14:11] <attente> working now
[14:12] <seb128> look into /var/log/dpkg.log
[14:12] <Laney> don't tell me you're running with proposed enabled!
[14:12] <seb128> you might get infos on when it got uninstalled
[14:12] <seb128> lol
[14:12] <seb128> he's probably and got hit by the e-d-s transition I guess
[14:13] <seb128> larsu, btw your gtk patch is in saucy so you can start depending on it, tweak your build-depends/depends to >= 3.8.2-0ubuntu2
[14:14] <larsu> seb128: awesome, thanks!
[14:14]  * larsu goes ahead and tweaks
[14:14] <seb128> yw, sorry it took so long, it has been a busy week
[14:14] <larsu> ha, no worries :)
[14:16]  * Sweetshark stomps on the ground and sulkily retreats into a corner as there is no love here for the libreoffice package ...
[14:17] <Laney> for some reason I'd disabled building in ram which is why it ran out of space
[14:17] <Laney> hopefully should work now
[14:17] <Laney> unless it needs more than 16G
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, "build" like source build or binary build?
[14:20] <Sweetshark> seb128: I cant quite make out from the backlog if you solved the LibreOffice issue. FWIW it is still happily building in my pbuilder
[14:20] <seb128> Sweetshark, there would be love for it if the thing was building :p
[14:20] <Laney> binary
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, good luck, I had to made over 6GB of free space for a debuild -S
[14:21] <seb128> Laney, btw could you review my commits to d-conf in the debian svn? I could use a second look on it just to make that the change is already/makes sense
[14:22] <Sweetshark> seb128: my pbuilder is not having -proposed here though, maybe thats the difference?
[14:22] <Laney> yes, it is
[14:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, likely yes
[14:23] <Sweetshark> ok, aborting that build then and try with -proposed ...
[14:24] <Sweetshark> seb128: just to rub it in:
[14:24] <Sweetshark> 13:37 < seb128> Sweetshark, well, you only changed the depends/conflicts stuff, no reason the build would change from the previous one right?
[14:24] <Sweetshark> 13:38 < Sweetshark> seb128: I just vividly remember Linus from his talk on git at google in moments like this "developer makes a small commit that ... cant ... possibly ... break ... anything" ;)
[14:25] <seb128> Sweetshark, alright, noted, you had a point there :p
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, btw did you see my d-conf ping?
[14:30] <Sweetshark> seb128, Laney: Ok, my log now says "Get:14 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy-proposed/main amd64 Packages [55.1 kB]Get:14 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy-proposed/main amd64 Packages [55.1 kB]" but still happily walks past the ./configure.
[14:33] <Laney> seb128: yeah, sorry, will look in a minute
[14:33] <Laney> putting even more bits of my system into ram
[14:33] <seb128> Laney, no hurry
[14:35] <sil2100> mterry: hi! How's the discussion regarding the python2 scopes?
[14:35] <Laney> Sweetshark: you got the new hsqldb?
[14:36] <Sweetshark> Laney: yes, but I think I dont break because I have _both_ hsqldbs
[14:36] <Laney> interesting
[14:37] <Sweetshark> Laney: which leads me to assume that maybe renes fix is wrong
[14:37] <Laney> watching a graph of all cores is quite nice while doing a LO build
[14:37] <Laney> I don't know how you would have got both - what's in Build-Depends?
[14:37] <mterry> sil2100, I believe last I heard seb128 was not excited about adding python2 packages, but we wanted to run it by barry
[14:37] <seb128> Laney, are you going to wait for the build to finish to upload?
[14:37] <mterry> sil2100, who isn't online right now
[14:38] <Laney> seb128: don't know - I'm kind of scared about uploading a failing package
[14:38] <sil2100> mterry: ok! Thanks
[14:38] <seb128> mterry, sil2100: right, it's the same as for tests, if we are lazy and let stuff in nobody will fix them later, if somebody really wants those scope in the default install they should port them and port the other packages needed to make that happen...
[14:38] <Sweetshark> Laney: now Im breaking too with the libsqldb-java removed.
[14:38] <seb128> Laney, well, it's already broken...
[14:39] <seb128> Laney, both Sweetshark and me did that already, join us :p
[14:39] <mterry> seb128, I'm surprised launchpadlib is still python2
[14:39] <Laney> it's going to be building way past all our EODs already
[14:39] <seb128> Laney, right, but maybe it will be built for monday ;-)
[14:39] <Laney> Sweetshark: how long do you think an in-RAM build will take for me on an i7-3770k with -j8? :-)
[14:40] <seb128> well, if you feel like letting your box heat until tonight and upload tomorrow I will not complain
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, how much disk space does a build of LO take?
[14:40] <Laney> 4.5G currently
[14:42] <Sweetshark> Laney: hard to guess. my Jenkins on my notebook took 3h (with ccache on a i7-2720QM with 16GB RAM running on a SSD)
[14:43] <Sweetshark> Laney: have an hour of that is dpkg singlethreadedly xz-compressing libreoffice-dbg ;)
[14:43] <Laney> urgh yeah, that stuff
[14:44] <seb128> well, if you hit that it's that the compile part worked
[14:44] <Sweetshark> on my 32-core 32GB RAM machine with ccache, I get the buildtime down to 3 minutes for an upstream build (which is faster of course, because its not a release build)
[14:44] <Laney> yeah
[14:44] <Laney> anyway I'll leave it going for a while
[14:44] <Laney> let me look at d-conf
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:53] <Laney> seb128: The idea seems sound to me
[14:53] <Laney> do you envisage dconf-tools staying around?
[14:53] <seb128> Laney, until the next debian release/lts at least for upgrade purposes
[14:54] <seb128> Laney, pochu acked the split on #debian-gnome the other day as well btw, I just wanted a second look from somebody on the actual diff
[14:54] <Laney> Section → oldlibs (to let apt autoremove it)
[14:54] <Laney> Architecture → all
[14:55] <Laney> s/transitionnal/transitional/ and short description → "transitional dummy package"
[14:55] <Laney> and perhaps add "It can safely be removed"
[14:55] <Laney> and it has two rdeps in Debian: gdm3 and gnome-core
[14:57] <rsalveti> seb128: audio-subsystem would need a bit of love to be in a good shape, but feel free to ping me with an mr if you have time to review it
[14:58] <seb128> rsalveti, I did review and wrote my comments on #ubuntu-touch
[14:58] <seb128> Laney, thanks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720098/ ?
[14:58] <Laney> lgtm
[14:58] <seb128> Laney, great, thanks for the review
[14:58] <Laney> I think dconf-editor's long description could stand to be expanded a touch but that's a nitpick
[14:59] <seb128> Laney, if you have any suggestion feel free to edit, you have commit access ;-)
[14:59] <rsalveti> seb128: cool, sorry, checking the backlog
[14:59] <Laney> oh, sorry, the new packages need Breaks too
[14:59] <seb128> Laney, I commited my fixes
[15:00] <Laney> http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
[15:00] <seb128> Laney, why?
[15:00] <seb128> it's not a rename
[15:00] <seb128> it's a split :p
[15:01] <Laney> so you have to upgrade the old package and get the new empty one
[15:01] <seb128> well if you don't that's ok
[15:01] <seb128> you just get files overwritten
[15:02] <seb128> well, I've no strong opinion either way, adding the Breaks
[15:03] <Laney> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f53
[15:04] <seb128> Laney, right, it's theorically better, though in practice those cases almost never happen in the real world ... added them anyway, thanks ;-)
[15:04] <Laney> I'm a slight policy wonk :P
[15:05] <seb128> you are a DD, most of them are :p
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, btw if you want to sponsor/upload that to debian feel free, otherwise I will just let it UNRELEASED in the svn (one day Debian will allow source uploads and not force me to have an uptodate debian environment to build/upload fixes)
[15:13] <Sweetshark> Laney: what is that build that you are doing right now? did you patch ./configure.ac in LO?
[15:14] <Laney> Sweetshark: no, it's passing --with-hsqldb-jar which is already in there
[15:15] <Laney> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=fec801a1525c478491d64e4508c7f85f1957b50a;hp=d6bb384bb864f566e343a83f1fccbcb2cf89584b this
[15:16] <Laney> seb128: will do
[15:16] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:18] <Sweetshark> Laney: ah, ok. FWIW patching configure seems to work here, but --with-hsqldb-jar is indeed cleaner.
[15:18] <Laney> yeah, using the right levers
[15:21] <seb128> didrocks, can you binNEW d-conf for me (I just split the -tools in -cli and -editor, Laney already reviewed the diff, it should be fine)
[15:23] <Laney> I'm guessing unity can go to dconf-cli
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, want to ack https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity/update-dconf-depends/+merge/166826 ? ;-)
[15:24] <Laney> hah
[15:24] <Laney> have no power to do that unfortunately
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, I prefer to have dconf-cli to be binNEWed first anyway
[15:24] <seb128> that's why I was pinging didrocks
[15:24] <Laney> indeed
[15:25] <didrocks> seb128: sure
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:25] <didrocks> Laney: trusting you!
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, to main please
[15:25] <Laney> I didn't try a build(!)
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, and armhf is just publishing
[15:25] <Laney> so check the packages aren't empty etc (whatever you usually do for binNEW)
[15:25] <seb128> done publishing
[15:27] <seb128> attente, what's the story with u-g-m and the old appmenu-gtk/gtk patches, does it conflict with any of those?
[15:27] <seb128> attente, like should we make sure appmenu-gtk get uninstalled on upgrade?
[15:31] <attente> seb128, yeah, u-g-m doesn't work if the patches are present
[15:33] <attente> if appmenu-gtk is installed with u-g-m, who wins depends on the presence of the patches, but probably better to uninstall appmenu-gtk anyways
[15:34] <attente> maybe it's better to leave both installed when transitioning from patched to unpatched gtk
[15:36] <seb128> attente, ok, thanks
[15:37] <attente> although i guess sil2100 already added the Conflicts between the two
[15:39] <Laney> I thought I saw an Xsession.d snippet to turn appmenu-gtk off from u-g-m
[15:39] <seb128> attente, well, we didn't drop the gtk patches yet, and we need to update indicator-appmenu to stop recommending appmenu-gtk but recommends u-g-m instead
[15:40] <sil2100> attente, seb128: yes, I made those two conflict currently
[15:40] <sil2100> So that we can test it easily on daily-release
[15:41] <seb128> sil2100: any plan to change the indicator-appmenu recommends?
[15:47] <didrocks> sil2100: Mirv: cyphermox: kenvandine: we are removing ati from utah checks to install a saucy machine with it
[15:47] <didrocks> for otto
[15:47] <sil2100> seb128: ok, let's do that, since the switch anyway is happening, somehow this task slipped my mind
[15:47] <sil2100> seb128: thanks for reminding!
[15:50] <Laney> Sweetshark: DAMN! ENOSPC!
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, told ya, LO is a bitch
[15:56] <Laney> it is
[15:56] <Laney> I've given it 32G now ...
[15:56] <Laney> no more left in the tank
[15:56] <jbicha> Laney: when you're done with LO, you should give webkit a try ;)
[15:56] <Laney> I've built webkit loads of times :P
[15:57] <Laney> haven't seen LO break the linker yet, so each is special in its own way
[15:58] <walters> Laney, are you using -Wl,--no-keep-memory ?
[16:01] <Laney> walters: I think the flag we used in the end was --reduce-memory-overheads
[16:01] <walters> webkitgtk's SetupCompilerFlags.m4 has:
[16:01] <walters> dnl Optimize for ld memory use: http://lists.macosforge.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2012-March/020111.html
[16:01] <walters> LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -Wl,--no-keep-memory"
[16:01] <walters> and that works fine for all my builds
[16:01] <Laney> upstream since fixed it - the problems were a while ago
[16:01] <Laney> they split the offending library
[16:07] <kenvandine> didrocks, cool
[16:54] <didrocks> and we have a saucy machine ready as well \o/
[16:55] <Laney> jbicha: ty for evolution-mapi
[16:55]  * didrocks waves good evening and good week-end!
[17:01] <seb128> attente, so, I've u-g-m installed, UBUNTU_MENUPROXY unset, but menus show locally with gtk apps (I've rebuilt gtk without the proxy patch but that makes no difference) ... is that a known issue? (I tried inkscape xchat-gnome and poedit)
[17:01] <jbicha> Laney: the excuses page wasn't a whole lot of help for that one
[17:02] <Laney> update_output.txt had it
[17:02] <Laney> it shows gnome-core-devel too which I'm fixing
[17:04] <Laney> jbicha: I don't really know what the semantics of these metapackages are though
[17:04] <Laney> should I bump evo/eds to 3.8 or just remove the dropped -dev packge?
[17:05] <jbicha> Laney: I think dropping is enough, I believe Debian uses the minimum version numbers to force upgrades but we shouldn't need that on Ubuntu
[17:05] <Laney> ok
[17:14] <Laney> apt claims it's installable here
[17:14] <Laney> good enough for me. SHIP IT.
[17:23] <Laney> happy weekend!
[17:23] <Laney> I'll come back in a bit to check on / upload LO
[17:31] <seb128> Laney, happy w.e to you too!
[17:38] <seb128> ok, time to call it a week for me too
[17:38] <seb128> see you on monday
[17:42] <ricotz> hmm seb is gone :\
[17:42] <ricotz> Laney, hi, the breaks in d-conf are a bit wrong
[18:17] <Laney> ricotz: please fix
[18:20] <Laney> ricotz: what's the problem?
[18:21] <Laney> or are you talking about the Ubuntu version? because I only looked at the one I uploaded to Debian and that was right IIRC
[18:21] <Laney> anyway, bbl
[18:23] <ricotz> Laney, ah sorry, i mean the ubuntu version http://launchpadlibrarian.net/141181976/d-conf_0.16.0-0ubuntu1_0.16.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz which uses the debian breaks/replaces
[18:34] <jbicha> ricotz: I'm uploading the fix
[19:03] <dobey> great quote. horrible quit message
[20:09] <jdstrand> cyphermox: hi! is evolution-indicator supposed to work in 12.04? someone mentioned it doesn't and I tried to get it to, but it doesn't. it neither display the message count for the inbox nor does it turn the envelope green (or some other color)
[20:09] <jdstrand> cyphermox: googling indicated that others have the same issue
[22:38] <cyphermox> jdstrand: it should have, but I'm not sue