[07:44] <philipballew> Good evening ubuntu folks
[07:47] <elfy> morning philipballew
[07:47] <philipballew> hello elfy what's up?
[07:48] <elfy> it's a bit monday morningish here
[07:49] <elfy> how's things with you philipballew ?
[07:50] <philipballew> alright elfy , its 12 here in California and I am prepping this week for college finals in a week. You will not see me on here for a week. Good weekend I hope?
[07:50] <elfy> excellent thanks, good luck with the finals :)
[07:52] <elfy> morning dholbach
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <dholbach> hi elfy
[07:57] <philipballew> elfy, glad to hear. I hope you week goes smooth.
[07:57] <elfy> it will - I work week on, week of, week starts on a Thurs - so no work for 3 days :)
[08:02] <philipballew> oh nice. Anything fun planed?
[08:03] <elfy> might go for a wander down the sea wall later
[08:04] <elfy> or do some testing ...
[08:08] <philipballew> elfy, you live near the ocean?
[08:10] <elfy> I'd not call it the ocean - but I live near the sea, English Channel :)
[08:10] <nigelb> Hey elfy
[08:10] <elfy> hi nigelb
[09:03] <jussi> elfy: enjoy the muck... err... drizzle... :P
[09:04] <elfy> :)
[09:04] <elfy> morning jussi
[09:04] <jussi> elfy: morning.
[09:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Aloha elfy czajkowski jussi
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Wow no Alpha 1 except Kubuntu!
[09:07] <jussi> don't we rock? :P :P
[09:07] <jussi> good morning czajkowski
[09:07] <smartboyhw> jussi, LOL
[09:10] <elfy> morning czajkowski
[14:39] <jcastro_> dpm: dholbach: was one of you going to send a mail about doc integration with wordpress?
[14:39] <dpm> jcastro_, I was, sorry. I'll send it in the next couple of hours.
[14:39] <dholbach> jcastro_, not me - I unfortunately don't have the details
[14:39] <jcastro_> no worries!
[15:39] <jcastro_> technoviking: hey, are you the only guy who has been doing template customization and so on?
[15:41] <MrChrisDruif> Template customization?
[15:43] <MrChrisDruif> jcastro_; ^
[15:44] <jcastro_> for vbulletin
[15:47] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/147coy/a_new_general_purpose_fuzzy_matching_library_from/ upvotes please
[15:48] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; what is it for?
[15:48] <jcastro_> I was just reading that blog
[15:48] <jcastro_> I kind of want that everywhere now, heh
[15:48] <mhall119> jcastro_: I know
[15:48] <MrChrisDruif> Woops, didn't notice I could click some link
[15:48] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: it does fuzzy string matching
[15:59] <jono> dholbach, will be two mins
[16:00] <jono> and then will set it up
[16:00] <jono> I need to get dressed and hand el-babyroony to mum
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, oh actually, are you working today?
[16:00] <jono> I remember you said you might not be
[16:02] <dholbach> jono, yes
[16:02] <dholbach> jono, no no, I'm working
[16:02] <dholbach> jono, yes, and do get dressed if you don't mind ;-)
[16:09] <jono> dholbach, lol
[16:09] <jono> ok, setting it up
[16:09] <dholbach> :)
[16:10] <jono> dholbach, invite sent
[16:13] <jono> dholbach, I think I completely lost you now
[16:13] <dholbach> rejoining
[16:20] <czajkowski> anyone remember the guy who gave a talk during plenaries on bug stats? or a link to his video ?
[16:20] <czajkowski> please?
[16:22] <seiflotfy> hi mhall119
[16:23] <jcastro_> czajkowski: Evan probably knows
[16:23] <jcastro_> it's at the tip of my tounge
[16:23] <seiflotfy> mhall119: i was looking into getting zeitgeist-fts-extension to use libcolombous
[16:24] <czajkowski> jcastro_: good thinking
[16:24] <jbicha> my first question about libcolumbus is the license: why GPL3? a lot of GNOME is still GPL2
[16:24] <mhall119> seiflotfy: that'd be brilliant!
[16:24] <seiflotfy> mhall119: i cant promise much now, i would need to do it at the weekend
[16:25] <seiflotfy> i am still releasing zeitgeist-1.0 soon :D
[16:25] <seiflotfy> with gobject-introspection
[16:25] <jbicha> and I'm sure a lot of people are curious whether it's a CLA project or not
[16:27] <czajkowski> jcastro_: same, we have it narrowed down to a lightning talk as checked the schedule, but many of the speakers never introduced themselves
[16:28] <jcastro_> it should be in the video then?
[16:32] <czajkowski> jcastro_: chris arges
[16:32] <MrChrisDruif> ?
[16:32] <jono> dpm, gonna be a few mins late
[16:33] <jcastro_> czajkowski: yep, that's him
[16:33] <czajkowski> bloody hell that's been bugging me all afternoon :)
[16:34] <mhall119> seiflotfy: \o/
[16:34] <dpm> jono, np
[16:38] <jono> dpm, firing it up
[16:38] <dpm> ok!
[16:38] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[16:38] <SergioMeneses> dpm, are you busy now?
[16:39] <dpm> hi SergioMeneses, I'm about to have a call with Jono, but if I can help, feel free to ask and I can answer later on
[16:39] <SergioMeneses> dpm, perfect!
[16:42] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[16:48] <vibhav> o/
[16:49] <vibhav> czajkowski: ping
[16:53] <czajkowski> vibhav: yes
[16:55] <vibhav> czajkowski: I had a small talk with the Developer Advisory Team we planned to reach out to the LoCo council. We were wondering if LoCo teams could be encouraged to provide statistics for their activities during their Global Jams
[16:56] <czajkowski> nice idea
[16:56] <czajkowski> there has been a bit of a dip in the UGJs
[16:56] <vibhav> Indeed
[16:56] <czajkowski> there was so much focus on them a few cycles ago and now not as mucb
[16:56] <czajkowski> vibhav: want to fire a mail to the loco council and we can maybe blog about it
[16:57] <vibhav> sure, We could include these statistics in our reports. They would become quite informative
[16:57] <czajkowski> nods
[16:57] <vibhav> czajkowski: sure!
[16:58] <vibhav> Should I mail the LoCo council about this?
[16:58] <czajkowski> yes please
[16:58] <czajkowski> :)
[16:58] <vibhav> sure
[16:58] <czajkowski> I'll moderate mails later on so will get looked at
[16:58] <czajkowski> cheers vibhav
[16:59]  * SergioMeneses back
[17:00] <jcastro_> dpm: don't forget about me an docs! :)
[17:00] <czajkowski> c
[17:05] <dpm> jcastro_, don't worry, will send it after the call with Jono
[17:07] <jcastro_> <3 thanks!
[17:07] <jcastro_> didn't realize you were on a call
[17:12] <vibhav> czajkowski: done!
[17:22] <jono> jcastro_, invite sent
[17:22] <jcastro_> ok on it!
[17:31] <pleia2> vibhav: what kinds of statistics? and are there tools for this kind of thing?
[17:31] <dpm> jcastro_, dholbach, ok, e-mail sent
[17:31] <dholbach> thanks a lot dpm
[17:32] <dpm> np ;)
[17:32] <jcastro_> got it, ta!
[17:34] <vibhav> pleia2: statistics like, "X contributors came together and helped out with Y bugs", et cetera
[17:35] <vibhav> The DAT could include these in our reports, eg:
[17:35] <pleia2> vibhav: ah, for ones doing bugs, instructions for tracking this would be helpful
[17:35] <dholbach> dpm, so that's not humboldt but yangmei?
[17:36] <pleia2> some teams have put tags on bugs, but I never knew if this was really an appropriate use of tags
[17:36] <dpm> dholbach, let me have a look
[17:36] <dholbach> dpm, do you have to enter your password to "sudo su - devdocs"?
[17:36] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye people tend to just create tags :/
[17:36] <vibhav> pleia2: I dont think tags would be appropriate
[17:36] <czajkowski> most annoying not to use offical ones
[17:37] <czajkowski> dholbach: if someone wants to get involved in ubuntu developement, best place to point them at that has the information
[17:37] <dholbach> czajkowski, http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[17:37] <czajkowski> dholbach: thank you
[17:37] <dholbach> anytime
[17:37] <dpm> dholbach, no, no password. I first ssh into humboldt as my user, and once I'm there, I do the 'sudo su ...' part
[17:38] <dholbach> it wants me to give it a password, although I'm in the group devdocs too
[17:38] <dholbach> maybe let's figure it out tomorrow :)
[17:38]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[17:38] <dholbach> I've got to take care of something else over here
[17:38] <dholbach> thanks a bunch for writing it up dpm
[17:38] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:38]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[17:53] <vibhav> czajkowski: okay, I need to hit the hay. Meet you later.
[17:54] <czajkowski> vibhav: I'm still working have moderated the mail
[18:11] <mhall119> jono: are we having a call today?
[18:15] <jono> mhall119, yep, free now?
[18:15] <mhall119> yeah
[18:15] <jono> cool, will set it up
[18:16] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[19:09] <jcastro_> popey: do you have tony whitmore's contact info handy?
[19:10] <czajkowski> jcastro_: https://launchpad.net/~tonywhitmore
[19:10] <jcastro_> hah! right, of course
[19:11] <czajkowski> :)
[19:12] <czajkowski> first place I check tbh most of the time people have a public address
[19:20] <jcastro_> for some reason my mind went to "the uk and popey" first before it clicked "ubuntu"


[02:00] <xubuntu19i> hey guys. my installation has stopped at "retrieving file 39 of 39". Does it really take this long or is there a problem?
[04:16] <xxxubuntu> hello
[04:16] <xxxubuntu> ...?
[04:17] <xxxubuntu> May I ask sth?
[04:18] <DrCool> sth?
[04:18] <xxxubuntu> y!
[04:18] <xxxubuntu> um..
[04:18] <xxxubuntu> I usally play with my old laptop
[04:19] <xxxubuntu> presario b3800
[04:19] <xxxubuntu> compaq
[04:19] <xxxubuntu> but this axx hxxx needs forcepae
[04:20] <xxxubuntu> it also meens slooooow
[04:20] <xxxubuntu> q.
[04:20] <xxxubuntu> for me reinstalling distros are often.
[04:21] <xxxubuntu> and I want to taste the surprising taste of xubuntu
[04:21] <xxxubuntu> but how?
[04:23] <DrCool> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE  is this what you need?
[04:24] <xxxubuntu> Y, partly.
[04:24] <xxxubuntu> THX. :/
[04:24] <xxxubuntu> :)
[04:25] <DrCool> glad it helped
[08:00] <Farley-> Hello, in Xubuntu 16.04 :  the Gnome Disks, is missing a button, in the top-Left of the title Bar.
[08:00] <Farley-> gnome-disk-utility
[08:00] <Farley-> Is there anyway to get that button back, or another way to access it's function?
[08:00] <Farley-> one of the things it does, is let you mount and image file  (*.img  or  *.iso)
[08:03] <Farley-> also, is there another way to mount an ISO ,  using a GUI?
[08:10] <flocculant> Farley-: which button do you think is missing?
[08:11] <flocculant> you can right click on iso in thunar - has iso mount options there
[08:13] <Farley-> flocculant:  yes, but the right-click method is ReadOnly
[08:13] <Farley-> how do you change the right-click mount, to be writeable
[08:13] <flocculant> no idea - I don't actually use it
[08:14] <Farley-> the Top Left button, that usually says  "Attach Disk Image"   -- is miissing from GNOME Disks, in 16.04 xuubntu
[08:18] <xubuntu72w> Hi, a questoin on X11 redirect
[08:19] <xubuntu72w> I have installation with Xubuntu LTS 14.04.3 and X11 redirect doesn't works. (DISPLAY variable is not set)
[08:20] <xubuntu72w> I have also instllations with Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS installed with same packages (same proceduer) and X11 redirect works. What about difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu on X11 redirect
[08:31] <flocculant> Farley-: disks looks exactly the same as other flavours - if something is missing from it - at a guess it's been removed
[08:31] <Farley-> hey, i found the problem thanks
[08:32] <Farley-> fixed GNOME disks:   xfce4 settings > window manager > add the app-icon button
[08:32] <Farley-> but is there another GUI way , to create an *.img file?
[08:33] <flocculant> no idea I'm afraid
[08:33] <Farley-> flocculant:   he CLI way that i know of is:  fallocate -l 500M MyImage.img
[08:33] <Farley-> i want to create LUKS  file-container  .img
[08:33] <flocculant> right - not something I've needed - so no idea at all :)
[08:34] <Farley-> k, thx anyway bro
[08:51] <xubuntu72w> solve!   add  X11UseLocalhost no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[13:38] <TheKURU> Hi boys
[14:37] <cnnx> im getting errors at the start of the boot from the xubuntu install
[14:37] <cnnx> sr0 buffer errors
[14:37] <cnnx> sr0 should be my dvd drive?
[14:50] <xubuntu76i> heya


[01:09] <Kraken> holas Hay en ESPAÑA
[01:13] <paultag> !es
[01:13] <ubot4`> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.
[03:00] <TrickyJ> Hi all :)
[03:00] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: hi
[03:00] <TrickyJ> q Ronnie hi
[03:01] <TrickyJ> drubin: are u there ?
[03:04] <UndiFineD> TrickyJ, it is april fools day, they are hiding easter eggs
[03:04] <TrickyJ> Lol... thats funny :P
[03:04] <TrickyJ> ;)
[03:47] <nigelb> mhall119: so tomorrow morning :)
[04:25] <Mazter> hey yall
[04:25] <Mazter> :)
[04:26] <Mazter> I want to enter from my irc service
[07:45] <YoBoY> good global jam week end :)
[07:50] <drubin> TrickyJ: yes
[08:38] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:56] <dholbach> good morning
[09:32] <BigWhale> Greetings
[09:53] <TrickyJ> drubin: wassup how are u guys doing
[09:53] <TrickyJ> I am back on here after long time :)
[09:54] <TrickyJ> drubin: I want to know under which server I can join UBUNTU-LOCOTEAMS channel under UBUNTU XIRC client or any IRC Client software.
[09:54] <czajkowski> TrickyJ: on here on freenode #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:58] <TrickyJ> Got u buddy czajkowski Thank you :)
[09:58] <TrickyJ> czajkowski: If freenode is not listed in the server list then ? whats the port number to add ?
[09:59] <TrickyJ> any idea ?
[10:00] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[10:01] <TrickyJ> YoBoY: Thanks :)
[10:01] <YoBoY> strange that xirc don't already have freenode in its known server list
[10:02] <YoBoY> most of the irc client have it on their lists
[10:04] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: to make it simple, you already have an IRC client installed on Ubuntu, it's empathy, just add an IRC account to it
[10:14] <TrickyJ> YoBoY: yaap i know about empathy but i installed the XIRC chat :P for btter interface ;)
[10:16] <YoBoY> I prefer xchat
[10:16] <YoBoY> :)
[10:29] <TrickyJ> ;)
[10:29] <TrickyJ> Thanks friend I am done with my work will go back home and i will join you guys back :) Take care byeeeeeeee alll
[11:45] <locodir-user> YoBoY: Hi
[11:46] <locodir-user> I am back home now I am on UBUNTU.. I am on X chat logged in to Freenode server one channel is on by default UBUNTU but I wann join #ubuntu-locoteams but when I enter the command /j UBUNTU-LOCOTEAMS it says no such channel ???
[11:46] <locodir-user> This is trickyj
[11:47] <YoBoY> missing the #
[11:48] <dholbach> locodir-user, you are currently in #ubuntu-locoteams
[11:48] <YoBoY> it's /join #ubuntu-locoteams
[11:48] <locodir-user> Oh we cannot use shortcuts ?
[11:48] <locodir-user> currently I am on web IRC :P
[11:48] <locodir-user> hold on let me try
[11:48] <dholbach>  /j <channel> works too
[11:48] <dholbach> but you need the "#"
[11:48] <YoBoY> you can, but i always avoid them when I explain something ;)
[11:49] <locodir-user> dholbach: No man it did not work :(
[11:49] <locodir-user> ok
[11:49] <TrickyJ> Great I am in :)
[11:49] <YoBoY> great :)
[11:49] <TrickyJ> Thanks friends
[11:49] <locodir-user> Look I am in :)
[11:50] <locodir-user> TrickyJ thats me on X chat Thanks dholbach  Thanks YoBoY  :)
[11:50] <TrickyJ> Great this was great :) Thank friends :) /j #PHP
[11:50] <TrickyJ> lol.. I am sorry
[11:51] <TrickyJ> I saved it in ma fav now ;)
[13:51] <mhall119> Happy Global Jam everybody!
[13:53] <sbc> mhall119: Thanks! You too! :D
[13:57] <mhall119> nigelb: Daviey: dantalizing: We'll be using #ubuntu-uds for remote participation in the summit jam
[13:57] <Daviey> lo
[14:13] <mhall119> morning Daviey
[14:14] <dantalizing> mhall119: i thought i was going to be able to come down... my go-live was delayed, so i' stuck here :(
[14:14] <mhall119> dantalizing: there's always remote
[14:14] <dantalizing> i'm there
[14:15] <dantalizing> i'll just be in and out
[14:18] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:35] <cjohnston> nigelb: ping
[14:38] <mhall119> Daviey: can you make a Summit-hackers team and put it in control of summit?
[14:42] <nigelb> cjohnston: pong
[14:49] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, Hi
[14:49] <Ronnie> hey TrickyJ
[14:49] <TrickyJ> YoBoY, Hey buddy I am unable to see the user list under this x chat !!!
[14:49] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, wassup buddy howzz life ?
[14:50] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: have you installed xchat or xchat-gnome ?
[14:50] <Ronnie> liffes goooood
[14:50] <YoBoY> you can display the user list by tweaking the preferences
[14:50] <TrickyJ> YoBoY, Its Xchat-gnome
[14:51] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: i said xchat, not xchat gnome ;)
[14:51] <YoBoY> with xchat it's on the view menu
[14:51] <TrickyJ> YoBoY,  Hmm they are diff ?? ohh i see i will have to check
[14:52] <YoBoY> yes they are different
[14:53] <TrickyJ> YoBoY,  I chcekd all the options but I am unable to see the user list like I dont know how many users are logged in to this channel :P
[14:53] <TrickyJ> Hmm let me check Xchat
[14:53] <TrickyJ> YoBoY,  I am downloading and installing X chat :)
[14:54] <YoBoY> ok TrickyJ
[14:55] <YoBoY> it's not really important the number of connected users, just remember they are all awasome and that's fine ;)
[14:57] <Ronnie> TrickyJ: are you a fast typer?
[14:58] <TrickyJ> Yaap
[14:59] <TrickyJ> YoBoY, I've installed XChat woo thats the one I want :) this Xchat-gnome is just a bisc :P
[14:59] <TrickyJ> Ronnie,  wassup what happen ?
[14:59] <Ronnie> TrickyJ, then i found a very awsome job for you: http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html
[15:00] <YoBoY> lol
[15:00] <Ronnie> be sure to check the movie
[15:00] <YoBoY> I've already seen it ^^ seems a good job :D
[15:00] <TrickyJ> Ronnie,  Checking...
[15:00] <Ronnie> perfectly suitable for TrickyJ :P
[15:00] <YoBoY> I've you tried the new gmail motion Ronnie ? :)
[15:01] <TrickyJ> lol let me check
[15:01] <Ronnie> not yet. its a bit like opera face guestures 2 years ago
[15:02] <Ronnie> YoBoY: already googled for "comic sans" ?
[15:02] <YoBoY> yes and helvetica too
[15:02] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, sounds interesting but I cannot go out of country :( and away from ma parents coz they are dependent on me i've to look after them :) and I am enjoying my job @ symantec :)
[15:03] <Ronnie> http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/ <== awsome\
[15:03] <YoBoY> and also don't miss the Canterbury Distribution
[15:04] <Ronnie> YoBoY: link?
[15:04] <YoBoY> http://www.debian.org/
[15:05] <Ronnie> :D
[15:05] <YoBoY> and that's not only a debian announce, http://www.opensuse.org/
[15:06] <TrickyJ> Very funny :P hahahaa hahahaha
[15:07] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, YoBoY I sw the Video lol if this guy wold have been here in india he would goonn hahaha !!!
[15:07] <paultag> hahaha
[15:07] <paultag> that's awesome!!
[15:07] <Ronnie> http://blog.freenode.net/2011/04/important-service-announcement-regarding-defocus/
[15:08] <TrickyJ_> Hi'
[15:10] <TrickyJ_> YoBoY, i've switched to xchat :) this is cool ;)
[15:17] <Daviey> Mhall119. There is a summit hacjers team
[15:18] <Daviey> I think other changes you can do.. Being ISD ?
[15:29] <mhall119> Daviey: it's LP permissions, I don't think I can strong-arm them
[15:30] <TrickyJ> Cool..
[15:33] <Daviey> Ahhhh
[16:38] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, Dude.. I've told all my friends.. about that google job lol they are seriously applying to it hahahaha
[16:38] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, they are asking me what about passport and visa hahaha hahaha :P I told them google will get it done hurry apply fast :P haha they did :P
[16:47] <Ronnie> lool
[17:01] <TrickyJ_> Ronnie, and the other he clicked on add to card and he was telling me dude when i click on add  to cart it goes to sum google search site :P hahaha I told him please wait google will get back to you keep checking ur email inbox hahaha hahaha great April fool hahahaha hahahah hahahaha
[17:02] <Ddorda> hey guys, when we will be told if we are sponsored to UDS or not?
[17:02] <czajkowski> Ddorda: it only closed the other day
[17:02] <czajkowski> so it can take some time
[17:03] <Ddorda> the other day?
[17:03] <czajkowski> Ddorda: it only closed on the 29th
[17:03] <czajkowski> applications for it
[17:03] <czajkowski> home time
[17:03] <czajkowski> toodles
[17:04] <Ddorda> czajkowski: cya :)
[17:04] <Ddorda> and thanks


[00:08] <saivann> asac : (The problem with wired network happens since I've installed 0.7.0, not just since I removed the existing network parameters)
[09:49] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[09:49] <Yannig> Hi asac :)
[09:50] <Yannig> asac: I would like to thank you a lot: we've finished Firefox translation into Occitan thanks to Launchpad and your script.
[09:50] <Yannig> We would never have done it without...
[09:55] <Yannig> (now, I'm strongly waiting for Thunderbird and if you need a beta-tester, I'm here) :-)
[10:03] <gnomefreak> :( firefox is crashing on nvidia.com
[10:04] <gnomefreak> Yannig: latest thunderbird 3 is on my ppa
[10:04] <Yannig> po format?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> no
[10:05] <gnomefreak> Yannig: what version of ff do you have (i need the ubuntu version)
[10:05] <Yannig> 3.0.1
[10:06] <gnomefreak> Yannig: can you go to nvidia.com and let me know if it loads fully?
[10:06] <Yannig> In fact, I was talking to asac about his script to make it possible Firefox translation via Launchpad
[10:07] <Yannig> Yep, it works
[10:07] <gnomefreak> flash 9?
[10:07] <Yannig> Yes
[10:07] <gnomefreak> thought so
[10:07] <Yannig> Hum, I see you know how to package :)
[10:08] <gnomefreak> Yannig: yes
[10:09] <Yannig> Would you know how to make available for Ubuntu a hunspell Occitan dictionary?
[10:09] <Yannig> http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/dictionaries/oc_FR.zip
[10:09] <gnomefreak> Yannig: openoffice.org guys would be the ones to ask since oo.o is a script
[10:10] <Yannig> Well, the dictionary is released under .aff and .dic files
[10:10] <gnomefreak> open the zip get the source that you want it part of and add it to where the rest of the .xpi are
[10:11] <gnomefreak> not xpi?
[10:11] <Yannig> No
[10:11] <gnomefreak> Yannig: grabbing it now
[10:11] <gnomefreak> well atleast trying to
[10:11] <Yannig> I know how to use it for OpenOffice but I thought we could use these files to have the dictionary available for the rest of Ubuntu
[10:11] <Yannig> (as any hunspell dictionary in fac)
[10:12] <Yannig> t
[10:12] <gnomefreak> Yannig: should beable to but that depends on how skilled you are
[10:13] <Yannig> Well :P
[10:13] <Yannig> As a user, rather well
[10:13] <Yannig> As a developer, rather zero :p
[10:14] <gnomefreak> damn im lagging bad
[10:14] <Yannig> If there are just instructions to follow, that's nice
[10:14] <Yannig> (otherwise...)
[10:20] <gnomefreak> Yannig: remind me monday and ill see what i can do
[10:20] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[10:20] <gnomefreak> Yannig: np
[10:21] <gnomefreak> beb restart _dreams_ that they fixed logout
[10:21] <gnomefreak> ill be back
[10:30] <asac> Yannig: cool
[10:30] <asac> Yannig: so did you test firefox and all?
[10:33] <Yannig> asac: Yep, it's tested and released
[10:34] <asac> Yannig: released?
[10:34] <asac> where?
[10:34] <asac> ;)
[10:34] <Yannig> ("released" = I explained on a web page how to install the 2 xpi)
[10:34] <Yannig> http://www.totenoc.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox
[10:35] <asac> Yannig: err. i get to a "anti leech page"
[10:35] <Yannig> What's that? :p
[10:35] <asac> Yannig: i dont know
[10:35] <Yannig> www.totenoc.org
[10:35] <asac> i click on your .xpi links and get no .xpi
[10:35] <asac> but a page that reads:
[10:36] <asac> This PHP Script has an Anti-Leech feature turned on.
[10:36] <asac> Make sure you are accessing this file directly from fichiers.totenoc.org
[10:36] <asac> It seems you are trying to get it from http://www.totenoc.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox
[10:36] <asac> Your IP address has been logged.
[10:36] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:37] <Yannig> Yep, the files are at http://fichiers.totenoc.org/
[10:37] <Yannig> The same for me :(
[10:38] <Yannig> I'll have a look :p
[10:38] <asac> doesnt work either :()
[10:39] <Yannig> It should be better now
[10:43] <Yannig> asac: I didn't know how that setting :p
[10:43] <asac> Yannig: looks good
[10:43] <asac> Yannig: not bad ;)
[10:44] <asac> Yannig: so next step would be to become an official upstream translation  team ;)
[10:44] <Yannig> Yep...
[10:44] <asac> already looked into that?
[10:44] <Yannig> I send the CVS account request but they changed it meanwhile :p
[10:44] <Yannig> I'll have to do it again :
[10:44] <Yannig> :p
[10:44] <asac> changed what
[10:44] <Yannig> So, when are you going to release Thunderbird now? :D
[10:44] <asac> ?
[10:45] <Yannig> The CVS account form
[10:45] <asac> Yannig: they changed it in which way?
[10:45] <Yannig> They have another one
[10:46] <asac> Yannig: which one is it?
[10:47] <Yannig> Let me search :)
[10:47] <asac> indeed
[10:47] <asac> http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/committer/
[10:47] <asac> its new
[10:50] <gnomefre1k> asac: gnash: when going to a site with "flash" the menus open under the flash picture
[10:50] <gnomefre1k> on 386
[10:50] <gnomefre1k> or whatever it is now
[10:50] <Yannig> I'll do that this afternoon
[10:51] <Yannig> Many users are really happy about that :)
[10:51] <asac> gnomefre1k: you use flashblock extension?
[10:51] <gnomefre1k> asac: no
[10:51] <gnomefre1k> shit my nick :(
[10:51] <asac> Yannig: you probably could also do a combined firefox-oc.xpi
[10:51] <asac> for those that dont have the xulrunner split
[10:52] <Yannig> asac: How could I do that?
[10:52] <asac> put both .jar files in the .xpi and concat the chrome.manifest
[10:52] <asac> then use the firefox install.rdf
[10:52] <asac> that should be enough i hope
[10:54] <Yannig> Any command to concat the chrome.manifest or should I do a copy-paste?
[10:55] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/firefox-oc.xpi
[10:56] <asac> Yannig: ^^
[10:56] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[10:56] <gnomefreak> asac: you did it that fast?
[10:56] <asac> Yannig: you can use cat /path/to/file1 /path/to/file2 > /tmp/chrome.manifest
[10:56] <asac> gnomefreak: sure. its just 4 commands or so ;)
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:57] <gnomefreak> i downloaded it unpacked it and didnt see any .jars
[10:57] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30520/
[10:57] <asac> ;)
[10:57] <Yannig> asac: By the way, you may have to update the script so that it makes the xpi compatible with Firefox > 3.0
[10:57] <asac> Yannig: you have to get a new en-US.xpi from the translation export
[10:58] <Yannig> Fair enough
[10:58] <asac> the maxVersion comes from the en-US.xpi exported from launchpad
[10:58] <asac> itst updated there to be 3.0.*
[10:58] <Yannig> (from language packs for ex ?)
[10:58] <asac> Yannig: where did you get your current en-US.xpi from?
[10:58] <Yannig> From languages packs :)
[10:59] <asac> yeah right
[10:59] <Yannig> (not more than one week ago)
[10:59] <asac> from launchpad though?
[11:00] <Yannig> Yep
[11:00] <gnomefreak> that looks easy only it looks repetitive
[11:00] <asac> yes get a new one then
[11:00] <asac> i am sure its been there for 2 weeks now
[11:00] <asac> but well
[11:00] <asac> ;)
[11:00] <asac> Yannig: you wont need a new one afterwards anymore
[11:01] <asac> we opened up maxVersion now
[11:02] <asac> Yannig: ad tbird. i dont think we will do tbird 2 in launchpad. we probably want tbird 3 there. but i have to think about it
[11:02] <Yannig> Fair enough :)
[11:04] <asac> Yannig: ok. let me unblacklist your locale then
[11:04] <asac> whats your language code?
[11:04] <Yannig> oc
[11:06] <asac> Yannig: ok whitelisted and unblacklisted ;)
[11:06] <asac> double == safe ;)=
[11:06] <Yannig> Great :)
[11:06] <asac> Yannig: i think every two weeks there are new language packs in the language-pack ppa
[11:06] <asac> your translatinos should appear there for firefox
[11:06] <Yannig> Great
[11:06] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive
[11:07] <Yannig> I'm going to proofread everything, do a single xpi and submit it to https://addons.mozilla.org now :)
[11:07] <asac> Yannig: does it work that way?
[11:07] <asac> i mean: submit the .xpi?
[11:07] <asac> sorry, i have no clue how the langpack translation contribution process works
[11:08] <asac> any help on that appreciated
[11:08] <Yannig> It would give the opportunity to have a langpack for those under Win and Mac
[11:09] <asac> Yannig: can you find out how the procedure for becoming a "official" translation team is?
[11:09] <asac> and tell me?
[11:09] <asac> maybe even document it
[11:09] <asac> especially how the review is done. how to submit the results.
[11:10] <Yannig> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_howto.html
[11:10] <Yannig> (but it's a very very very heavy procedure)
[11:12] <armin76> asac: bumb!
[11:12] <asac> Yannig: so could you tell me what the next steps for you would be?
[11:13] <asac> what is missing?
[11:13] <Yannig> CVS request
[11:13] <Yannig> (another one :p)
[11:13] <asac> armin76: what piece of software needs a bumb now?
[11:13] <Yannig> Showing the translation is done
[11:13] <asac> Yannig: i dont see CVS request listed on that page ;)
[11:13] <gnomefreak> that doesnt sem too bad
[11:13] <asac> it ends with "submitting"
[11:14] <gnomefreak> s/sem/seem
[11:14] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:14] <Yannig> (I'll go and eat, see you)
[11:14] <Yannig> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367341
[11:14] <gnomefreak> how hard can it be to submit it once you have 2 acks
[11:14] <gnomefreak> plus the 2 people you ask to comment
[11:15] <gnomefreak> patches are easier
[11:15] <asac> too bad that reed isnt here now
[11:16] <gnomefreak> it would be
[11:17] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you mean. you say getting CVS account is too easy?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> i guess i can use weekend to clean up bookmarks and do all the other little crap
[11:17] <gnomefreak> asac: why would you need one?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> if you contact MPL staff they host it
[11:18] <asac> gnomefreak: i need one ;)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_howto.html
[11:18] <gnomefreak> asac: ah
[11:19] <asac> for landing security patches
[11:19] <asac> but i was too lazy for about a year now to send my contributors agreement ;)
[11:19] <gnomefreak> asac: cant you set one up on your domain? or do you need to get a cvs account?
[11:19] <asac> but i will be at firefox summit next week, so hopefully i can push that through there
[11:19] <asac> gnomefreak: setup what? cvs?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:20] <asac> no the idea is to get our patches into their cvs for the EOL 1.8.0 branch
[11:20] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:20] <asac> e.g. what we have in dapper
[11:21] <gnomefreak> asac: wont 1.8 be stopped pretty much next release of most apps
[11:21] <asac> yeah. then even 1.8 needs to be maintained
[11:21] <asac> i am currently into 1.8.0
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i thought all were trying to et on the xulrunner1-1.9 train
[11:21] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:21] <asac> right. but not distros that released the old versions
[11:21] <gnomefreak> s/et/get
[11:21] <asac> I'll try to get more people on board for that during summit next week
[11:22] <gnomefreak> good point
[11:22] <gnomefreak> asac: how many days?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> for summit
[11:22] <asac> starts on Tue (with monday evening a first event) and ends on Thu
[11:22] <gnomefreak> fun ;)
[11:22] <asac> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2008
[11:23] <gnomefreak> you leaving today?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> im sure flight is like 10+ hours
[11:23] <gnomefreak> from you
[11:24] <gnomefreak> its close to 14 hours for me to fly to venice
[11:24] <asac> yeah
[11:24] <asac> 1.5 hours to london ... and then 11 hours
[11:25] <asac> connection time in london only 1 hour ... so most likely i will  miss the vancouver flight
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i am leaving tomorrow
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:25] <gnomefreak> thats gonna be a long day
[11:25] <asac> yeah. especially since i will miss my connection flight in london i am sure
[11:26] <asac> or at least my luggage will get lost :/
[11:26] <asac> i hate 11 hour flights for sure ;)
[11:26] <asac> completely painful
[11:26] <gnomefreak> yeah i knwo that feeling all too well but i stopped travelingabout 8 years ago
[11:26] <asac> why?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: i went from sick to really sick
[11:27] <asac> so you cant fly anymore?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> and now im dealing with the side affects from diabetes but sugar is under control
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: i can but not that long
[11:27] <asac> because of diabetes?
[11:31] <asac> gnomefreak: so do we have a bad bug flood?
[11:31] <asac> after the release of 3.0.1?
[11:31] <asac> gnomefreak: did you try to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook for state NEW and Incomplete?
[11:35] <gnomefre1k> these frigging things suck
[11:35]  * gnomefreak needs to set up alias' for connection control
[11:36] <gnomefreak> 06:27 <      gnomefreak > and now im dealing with the side affects from  diabetes but sugar is under control
[11:36] <gnomefreak> 06:27 <      gnomefreak > asac: i can but not that long
[11:36] <gnomefreak> 06:28 <      gnomefreak > curculation in legs i have to worry about
[11:36] <gnomefreak> 06:28 <      gnomefreak > ohnly spelled right
[11:36] <gnomefreak> 06:28 <      gnomefreak > only
[11:36] <gnomefreak> 06:29 <      gnomefreak > wtf
[11:36] <gnomefreak> incase you missed it
[11:37] <asac> yeah i mssed it
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: too late to start doing sports?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> yeah too old but i do still work out
[11:38] <asac> hope so
[11:39] <gnomefreak> yep i have to to keep sugar under control meds are not enough
[11:46] <asac> i have this letter i am supposed to print to show to immigration officers in case they ask
[11:47]  * asac wonders if i can just show it on laptop to them ;)
[11:47] <asac> or if i really need to print it
[11:50] <Yannig> I'm back :-)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> asac: print it
[11:51] <gnomefreak> its faster
[11:51] <gnomefreak> wasier
[11:51] <gnomefreak> easier even
[11:56] <fta> hi
[11:56] <fta> it's never too late to do some sport
[11:57] <armin76> bumbing!
[11:57] <fta> lol
[12:03] <asac> its not easier to print for me ... have to go to copy shop which will honourably print my things for 1 EUR per page ;)
[12:03] <asac> but ill do it anyway i guess
[12:03] <gnomefreak> no printer?
[12:03] <asac> yeah
[12:04] <asac> dumped it into the river
[12:04] <gnomefreak> ah that would make printing harder
[12:04] <asac> yeah
[12:04] <asac> fta: so i guess you continued to do bike-sports ;)
[12:05] <fta> yep
[12:05] <asac> if you'd stay away one week longer i would said that you are participating in the tour-de-france ;)
[12:05] <fta> hehe
[12:06] <fta> i'd like to do it one day, for fun
[12:06] <fta> but not in 3 weeks ;)
[12:06] <asac> yeah ;)
[12:06] <fta> 3500km
[12:06] <asac> i think its obvious why everyone goes for doping
[12:07] <asac> i mean i couldnt do any single of the hill-days for sure
[12:08] <fta> you probably could, taking your time
[12:08] <asac> hmm. i really doubt it. i think some of the hills are just too much to go by bike. if i go by food then yes.
[12:08] <fta> with my 40km/d, i do 3500 in 3 months.. hmm
[12:09] <asac> hehe
[12:09] <asac> i was in the alps once with a racing bike and tried to climbed one hill.... i didnt succeed and had to step down at some point
[12:10] <asac> the roman legions marched 40km a day when they went by "maxime intinere"
[12:10] <asac> fully packed of course
[12:12] <fta> my 40km are 2*20 in 2*40 min, with traffic, 2*75 red-lights and tons of stop/priorities/...
[12:12] <gnomefre1k> asac: do you have master bug for the flash picture/movie being over the menu submenus of a site? gnash does this as well
[12:13] <fta> “By the year 2010... bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995”
[12:13] <asac> yeah most likely
[12:13] <fta> "Global IP traffic to be 26 Exabytes per month in 2011"
[12:13] <asac> i think i already consumed more bandwidth then 1995 in my life
[12:13] <asac> question is will there by IPv6 by then?
[12:14] <fta> it's already there
[12:14] <asac> gnomefre1k: we had such a bug for flash
[12:14] <asac> flash always displayed on top
[12:14] <fta> vista has it ON by default
[12:14] <asac> gnomefre1k: ^^
[12:14] <gnomefre1k> asac: yeah i cant find it
[12:14] <asac> fta: when will my provider hand out ipv6 address to me?
[12:14] <gnomefre1k> i have one that needs to be marked as a dupe of the master one but searched all of flash bugs
[12:15] <asac> fta: i think at that point i'd say its there, but probably not before
[12:15] <fta> asac, we are getting shorter on addresses, shorter than ever
[12:15] <fta> getting short
[12:15] <asac> we have been getting short for 5 years ;)
[12:15] <asac> like on oil
[12:17] <asac> gnomefre1k: yeahb its really gone for whatever reason
[12:17] <fta> with the growth of new services (mostly gaming, tv and 3G mobile), it's closer than ever
[12:17] <asac> gnomefre1k: maybe it was auto-closed?
[12:18] <gnomefre1k> i dont know i didnt get email tht it was autoclosed
[12:18] <gnomefre1k> or closed at all
[12:18] <asac> i hate launchpad bug searching
[12:18] <asac> cant be true
[12:18] <asac> i search for all states with terrm "html top"
[12:18] <asac> nothing
[12:18] <asac> even searching for MASTER
[12:18] <asac> didnt give me the bug
[12:19] <gnomefre1k> no it didnt have master name
[12:19] <gnomefre1k> none seem to anymore
[12:20] <asac> one bug is 49613
[12:20] <asac> its fix released for flashplugin-nonfree
[12:20] <gnomefre1k> bug 49613
[12:20] <asac> that cant be true
[12:20] <gnomefre1k> its not
[12:20] <asac> someone closed it everywhere
[12:20] <asac> tist that bug
[12:20] <asac> for sure
[12:21] <gnomefre1k> atleast for us its not fixed
[12:21] <asac> nspluginwrapper -> not fixed i am sure
[12:21] <gnomefre1k> and its not the same
[12:21] <asac> flashplugin-nonfree -> not fixed (not sure if its already in 10 beta)
[12:21] <gnomefre1k> wmode is crashing bug
[12:21] <asac> gnomefre1k: nope
[12:21] <asac> thats really the "Flash content always rendered on top of web pages"
[12:21] <asac> bug
[12:21] <gnomefre1k> let me check but i swear it was crashing atleast in 10
[12:22] <asac> gnomefre1k: even if it crashes, that bug above is the bug you were looking for
[12:22] <asac> please add gnash there
[12:22] <gnomefre1k> k
[12:23] <asac> and figure out if flashplugin-nonfree in intrepid really fixes this
[12:23] <asac> thanks
[12:23] <gnomefre1k> the wmode bug has dupes to it
[12:23] <gnomefre1k> this bug is the one i had as dupe of it
[12:23] <asac> bug 49613 is clearly the master
[12:23] <asac> its old and has plenty of dupes
[12:23] <gnomefre1k> gnash was added earier this morning maybe an hur or so
[12:24] <gnomefre1k> ok added
[12:24] <asac> gnomefre1k: bug 249305
[12:24] <asac> mark it a dupe then
[12:24] <gnomefre1k> thats mine
[12:24] <gnomefre1k> the one i was talking about
[12:25] <asac> yeah dupe it into the grant master above
[12:25] <gnomefre1k> doing
[12:25] <gnomefre1k> done
[12:26] <asac> thx
[12:27] <gnomefre1k> asac: did you say nspluginwrapper wasnt fixed either?
[12:27] <asac> yes. its fixed upstrewam, but not in ubuntu
[12:27] <gnomefre1k> i dont use it so im not sure
[12:27] <asac> bug status appears to be ok for that
[12:27] <gnomefre1k> k
[12:27] <gnomefre1k> how its ubuntu task
[12:28] <asac> gnomefre1k: we have 301 incomplete bugs against firefox-3.0 package
[12:28] <gnomefre1k> not upstream task
[12:28] <gnomefre1k> hmmmmm there are 2 nspluginwrapper tasks
[12:28] <asac> and 512 NEW bugs ...... OUCH!!!!!
[12:29] <asac> now i see why we have 900+ bugs open
[12:30] <asac> can we close 240 next week? ;)
[12:30] <asac> that would bring us down to 700
[12:30] <Nafallo> asac: nice number! makes me thinks of memory sticks :-)
[12:30] <asac> yeah
[12:31]  * Nafallo likes his memory ;-)
[12:31] <asac> Nafallo: wanna close 240 bugs?
[12:31] <asac> ;)
[12:31] <asac> i think your bug karma is far too low and could deserve some polish ;)
[12:31] <Nafallo> asac: I'm sure I can write a script... "Closed by evil troll! 55555" good as comment? ;-)
[12:32] <asac> why not. as long as its not me
[12:32] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:32] <asac> feel free to write a script that closes all bugs saying: "closing bug. if you really care, please reopne": )
[12:32] <asac> i think we would get rid of 30% of bugs in that way
[12:33] <Nafallo> "Closing bug. Use apt-get install epiphany-browser kthxbai!!!"
[12:33] <Nafallo> ;-)
[12:33] <asac> Nafallo: no please not ;)
[12:33] <asac> we could reassign epiphany however asking them to verify if it exists there as well :)
[12:33] <Nafallo> lol
[12:33] <asac> seb can probably deal better with bugs than me
[12:34] <Nafallo> I'm still looking for that upgrade...
[12:34] <Nafallo> seb512 or seb1024 :-)
[12:34] <asac> that would leave out 256
[12:35] <Nafallo> exactly
[12:35] <Nafallo> 2048 should be able to do the whole distributing himself ;-)
[12:35] <Nafallo> s/ng/on/
[12:35] <asac> that would be great
[12:36]  * fta leaving for the w-e.
[12:36] <fta> cu
[12:36] <asac> have fun
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ok now irssi work
[12:38] <gnomefreak> gnome term really needs to get fixed
[12:38] <gnomefreak> sorry gedit even
[12:38] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: terminator ftw :-)
[12:39] <asac> i am out for lunchtime
[12:40] <gnomefreak> ok lets see if it works
[12:44] <gnomefreak> now to figure out how to set a backup nick
[13:25] <asac> so
[13:25] <asac> online-checkin committed
[13:25] <asac> lets hope it works out well
[13:25] <Britta_> ?question. I wonder if this is a known bug... I use FF3 on both my ubuntu 8.04 pcs. On both of them occasionally the browser screen 'pops out' to fill the entire monitor, covering top and bottom bars, and the top right hand icons for minimize, resize window and close window disappear.
[13:26] <Britta_> A reboot sometimes helps.
[13:26] <asac> oh its just 9h 20min from london to vancouver. thats fast
[13:26] <Britta_> F11 will retoggle the window back to normal size, but won't give me back the icons.
[13:27] <asac> Britta_: i have heard something similar
[13:27] <asac> Britta_: using desktop effects?
[13:27] <Britta_> hmm hang on :)
[13:27] <Britta_> normal
[13:27] <asac> disable them and see if it goes away
[13:28] <Britta_> disable normal?
[13:28] <asac> disable desktop effects
[13:28] <asac> e.g. "none"
[13:28] <Britta_> ok thanks. will try that for a while.
[13:28] <asac> Britta_: let us know
[13:28] <asac> there is a bug reported for something similar
[13:28] <Britta_> I will. thanks. will try it for some days, though.
[13:28] <asac> let mee search for it
[13:29] <asac> stay ttuned
[13:29] <Britta_> yes :)
[13:29] <thunderstruck> ok good it all works :)
[13:30] <thunderstruck> damn this is more work than i remember
[13:30] <asac> Britta_: i think its 235900
[13:30] <asac> bug 235900
[13:30] <asac> Britta_: there are demonstration videos attached
[13:31]  * thunderstruck needs to figure out how to filter firefox bugs separately than backport bugs as well as flash ect ..
[13:31] <Britta_> thanks asac, will check it out.
[13:33] <Britta_> ah, are they saying it might not happen if I didn't happen to be a chicken running dual boot?
[13:34] <asac> Britta_: no it doesnt say that
[13:34] <asac> Britta_: only thing it says is that its easy to reproduce that way
[13:34] <Britta_> ok. /me does a search for a reading course.
[13:35] <asac> hehe
[13:35] <asac> no ... bug text is usually hard to decipher. so dont be bothered
[13:37] <Britta_> asac :) will get back to this channel when I know if disabling effects works.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> who am i this time?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ah cool
[13:40] <asac> oh nonono
[13:40] <asac> on Tue it will be 13 degree C in whisler
[13:40] <asac> and that during one of the 3 hots week here in hamburg summer
[13:40] <asac> shame
[13:45] <gnomefreak> asac: whats up with bug 251743 should this have reset itself to english by default?
[13:46] <gnomefreak> ubottu: test
[13:46] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[13:47] <gnomefreak> ah just laggy as shit
[13:56] <thunderstruck> asac: bug 251743 is english set as default and set to it on purpose?
[14:07] <thunderstruck> anyone on a Hardy system that they can check a firefox bug in?
[14:09] <asac> which one?
[14:10] <thunderstruck> asac: help > about should show normal someones is showing a pill size window with nothing on it
[14:10] <thunderstruck> bug 251826
[14:11] <thunderstruck> it works here in Intrepid and Hardy chroot
[14:11] <Nafallo> thunderstruck: wfm
[14:11] <thunderstruck> wfm?
[14:11] <thunderstruck> nm
[14:11] <thunderstruck> works for me
[14:13] <thunderstruck> i have people telling bug reporters to remove firefox than reinstall
[14:13] <asac> thunderstruck: do achieve what?
[14:13] <asac> to archieve what?
[14:13] <thunderstruck> asac: fix a problem
[14:13] <asac> which problem?
[14:13] <thunderstruck> i told him to use new profile
[14:13] <thunderstruck> asac: hold on let me see if i can find bug
[14:14] <thunderstruck> bug 251855
[14:14] <thunderstruck> getting a few assertion bugs as well
[14:45] <Jazzva> asac, could you take a look at my review and see if it's good :)? bug 247867
[14:47] <asac> Jazzva: did we say that we want to drop ice* depends?
[14:47] <Jazzva> Umm.. I think we did
[14:47] <Jazzva> we're not shipping ice{weasel,dove}
[14:48] <Jazzva> At least, we said that we're changing Iceweasel/dove -> Firefox/Thunderbird in descriptions
[14:49] <Jazzva> the depends line is already modified, so I think removing iceweasel won't produce more changes
[14:49] <Jazzva> asac ^
[14:50] <asac> Jazzva: ok. makes sense
[14:50] <asac> otoh, i dont really  mind for depends as long as ours are added
[14:51] <Jazzva> asac, that's true. I just wanted to suggest to make clean depends :). Though, both ways will work :)
[14:53] <Jazzva> asac, and please look at my suggestion to remove iceweasel-torbutton.* files. We don't have that package, so those files are garbage in our case. We add torbutton-extension.* files
[14:54] <asac> Jazzva: did we use torbutton-extension already?
[14:54] <asac> why not "just" torbutton?
[14:54] <Jazzva> hmm noticed few more mistakes... depends should add firefox | firefox-3.0 | firefox-2...
[14:54] <Jazzva> maxVer is 3.0a1pre, so we should bump it and test if it's usable in 3.0
[14:54] <asac> Jazzva: i think its ok to also remove the iceweasel* debhelper files. in that way we will see a conflict which needs to be incorporated in our debhelper files
[14:55] <asac> so your suggestion is right
[14:55] <Jazzva> asac, torbutton is fine by me... I think the change to torbutton-extension was done in some previous upload
[14:57] <asac> Jazzva: ok. if we already have that binary package name then we should stick to it
[14:57] <Jazzva> hmm. this extension says it's compatible with tb up to 1.5... do we still ship that?
[14:58] <asac> we ship tbird 1.5 in dapper + feisty
[14:58] <Jazzva> asac, hmm... then this should be blocked in intrepid... maybe to test with bumped maxVer for TB too...
[14:59] <asac> Jazzva: isnt there a better upstrewam .xpi available?
[14:59] <asac> in debian there is not tbird 1.5 either
[14:59] <asac> is it still torbutton?
[15:01] <Jazzva> debian dropped icedove dep
[15:02] <Jazzva> this is from debian's entry:     - remove compatibility with icedove, so drop the icedove-torbutton package.
[15:02] <Jazzva> mislim da onda mozemo i mi.. verovatno su testirali ...
[15:03] <Jazzva> damn...
[15:03] <Jazzva> :)
[15:04] <asac> Jazzva: ok
[15:04] <Jazzva> I think we can drop tb dep, if they did it in debian. But, maybe it will work with bumped maxVersion.
[15:04] <asac> yep
[15:04] <Jazzva> I'll post another comment
[15:04] <asac> Jazzva: actually i think we shouldnt use "depends" at all ... rather "recommends"
[15:04] <asac> but lets review that at some later point
[15:04] <Jazzva> yep
[15:05] <asac> Jazzva: still on hardy?
[15:05] <Jazzva> yep :)
[15:06] <Jazzva> But I regularly use my intrepid chroot :)
[15:10] <Jazzva> asac, another comment added
[15:11] <asac> ok, can you please upgrade to latest from network-manager PPA?
[15:11] <Jazzva> me?
[15:11] <asac> i think applet is still building, but should be there in a few ;)
[15:11] <asac> yes
[15:11] <Jazzva> umm... after 5pm? :)
[15:11] <asac> what not ;)
[15:11] <Jazzva> is that ok? :)
[15:12] <asac> why not ;)
[15:12] <asac> fine
[15:12] <Jazzva> cool. will try it then after 5 :). just to finish something else :)
[15:12] <asac> you have wireless?
[15:12] <asac> or just wired?
[15:12] <Jazzva> wired
[15:12] <asac> k
[15:12] <asac> still worth a shoot
[15:12] <asac> still on NM 0.6?
[15:12] <Jazzva> i think
[15:13] <asac> Jazzva: ok. maybe do a apt-get install --reinstall libnm-glib0 libnm-util0 network-manager wpasupplicant now :=
[15:13] <asac> so you have the current packages that will get replaced in apt cache ;)
[15:13] <Jazzva> ok
[15:13] <Jazzva> :)
[15:43] <asac> i updated the call for testing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=676992&page=18
[15:43] <asac> if you have results please comment there ;)
[15:46] <asac> saivann: please test latest NM from PPA
[15:46] <asac> i upgraded it today
[15:46] <asac> maybe your issues have improved
[15:46] <asac> saivann: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[17:14] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux alpha; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/2008072613 (Gentoo) Firefox/3.0.1
[17:14] <armin76> asac: ^bumb!
[17:14] <asac> i dont have alpha ;)
[17:14] <armin76> you don't have anything :P
[17:14] <asac> exactly ;)
[17:14] <Nafallo> asac: you have Gentoo? :-)
[17:15] <asac> nope
[17:15]  * armin76 checks if ppc still segfaults
[17:16] <asac> alpha must be quite noisy i guess ;)
[17:18] <asac> armin76: what kind of branding is gentoo using? do you sneak in the official branding?
[17:20] <armin76> asac: the user can select it
[17:21] <asac> will that download the bits from net or are you shipping the non-free icons and marks in sources?
[17:21] <armin76> user can select: minefield, iceweasel, or firefox
[17:21] <armin76> hrm? we use mozilla's tarball
[17:21] <asac> which is nonfree ;)
[17:22] <asac> lets see if vbox works again :/
[17:22] <armin76> well, i don't care :P
[17:22] <asac> yay! virtualbox works again
[17:22] <asac> i can finally boot debian :-D
[17:23] <armin76> omg debian :P
[17:23] <asac> me boots fedora 9 at the same time ;)
[17:24] <asac> the debian login screen is nice ;) ... light blue
[17:25] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/2008071816 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.1
[17:25] <armin76> omg bumb!
[17:25] <armin76> doesn't segfault :D
[17:25] <asac> armin76: you can use it?
[17:25] <armin76> yep
[17:26] <armin76> i guess hardy segfaults as well :P
[17:26] <asac> the fedora login screen sucks ;)
[17:26] <asac> it shakes while selecting users
[17:26] <asac> not sure if that is ment to be a desktop effect ,)
[17:26] <asac> hmm ... so how can i upgrade fedora?
[17:27] <armin76> bumb fedora
[17:27] <asac> oh pkgkit is going
[17:27] <asac> currently does its job
[17:27] <asac> lets wait
[17:27] <asac> ;)
[17:28] <armin76> so whats your bet, will it segfault on hardy?
[17:30] <asac_on_fed> he
[17:30] <asac_on_fed> http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotdesktopqf9.png
[17:30] <asac_on_fed> thats fedora
[17:30]  * asac_on_fed bumbs 229 packages available for update ;)
[17:31] <asac> debian looses. they dont even show a indication that there are updates available
[17:34] <asac> armin76: 3.0.1? not sure. i think so
[17:39] <armin76> okay, sparc+glibc-2.8 still sigbus
[17:39] <asac> so its libc?
[17:39] <armin76> uh, no
[17:39] <asac> no?
[17:39] <armin76> 3.0.1 sigbuses, 3.0 doesn't
[17:40] <asac> he
[17:40] <armin76> with glibc-2.6 or 2.8, it doesn't matter
[17:40] <asac> sounds random
[17:40] <asac> ah ok we are on sparc
[17:40] <asac> didnt see that
[17:47] <armin76> oh damn, i can't test
[17:47] <asac> too hot or what?
[17:48] <armin76> ports.ubuntu.com doesn't have hardy-updates in the Release file
[17:48] <armin76> so it doesn't let me add it to sources.list
[17:48] <asac> sounds like non-sense ;)
[17:48] <asac> lpia at least has -updates
[17:49] <armin76> yeah, the dirs exist, but they aren't on the Release  file
[17:49] <armin76> sec
[17:49] <asac> armin76: how about http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy-updates/
[17:49] <asac> ?
[17:49] <asac> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy-updates/Release
[17:49] <asac> which arch is missing?
[17:50] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/ZVy55G96.html
[17:51] <asac> armin76: what do you have in your sources.list?
[17:52] <armin76> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com hardy main universe hardy-updates
[17:53] <asac> thats wrong
[17:53] <asac> bumb!
[17:54] <asac> duplicate the original line and simply do s/hardy/hardy-updates/ on the new line
[17:54] <asac> same for security
[17:54] <asac> armin76: ^
[17:55] <armin76> lol
[17:55] <armin76> yay
[17:55] <asac> also repeat and do
[17:55] <asac> s/hardy/hardy-proposed/
[17:55] <asac> to get the latest crack
[17:55] <armin76> k, thanks
[17:55] <armin76> i'm not used to debian :P
[17:57] <armin76> seems to work fine as well :)
[17:58] <asac> good crack then
[17:58] <asac> no more bustage
[17:59] <asac> yay
[17:59] <asac> armin76: bumb network-manager ;)
[18:00] <asac> does gentoo have NM at all?
[18:00] <armin76> yeah
[18:00] <asac> good shape?
[18:00] <armin76> no idea, i don't use it
[18:01] <armin76>  networkmanager-0.6.5_p20070823[0]: amd64 ppc x86 networkmanager-0.6.6[0]: ~amd64 ~ppc ~x86
[18:02] <asac> what does that mean?
[18:02] <armin76> still, there's some bustage, sparc sigbused on hardy before <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:02] <armin76> that means the latest version is 0.6.6
[18:02] <asac> armin76: but its gone now ... so who cares?
[18:02] <asac> ah ok
[18:03] <asac> get the maintainer in here. otherwise you will be late on 0.7 ;)
[18:04] <asac> armin76: how does gentoo change the resolv.conf when roaming? do you have some specific mechanism for it?
[18:04] <armin76> roaming?
[18:04] <asac> yeah moving with your laptop from network to other networks
[18:05] <armin76> hrm...i think thats done with openresolv
[18:05] <asac> what does that do?
[18:06] <armin76> http://roy.marples.name/node/343
[18:06] <armin76> not sure if thats what you mean
[18:06] <armin76> if it isn't, better ask in #gentoo, i have no clue :)
[18:07] <asac> ah its resolvconf
[18:07] <asac> we have that too
[18:07] <asac> armin76: does it replace /etc/resolv.conf with a link?
[18:07] <asac> armin76: can you please post resolvconf --help
[18:07] <asac> ?
[18:07] <armin76> yeah, its another implementation of resolvconf :P
[18:07] <asac> i wonder if its the same interface as in debian
[18:08] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/uQ4nTa70.html
[18:10] <asac> hmm
[18:10] <asac> wonder if my nm resolvconf patch works on gentoo as well
[18:12] <asac> first i have to find that patch again ;)
[18:13] <Jazzva> asac, sorry... I'm gonna test NM now :)
[18:15] <asac> Jazzva: thats ok ;)
[18:23] <asac> Jazzva: you are still online ... is that good news?
[18:23] <asac> ;)
[18:24] <Jazzva> asac, I don't get it? :)
[18:24] <Jazzva> aaah
[18:24] <Jazzva> I get it
[18:24] <Jazzva> no... I'm unable to install from ppa in hardy ...
[18:24] <Jazzva> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/30615/
[18:26] <asac> Jazzva: universe
[18:26] <asac> Jazzva: and you also have to upgrade network-manager-gnome
[18:27] <asac> Jazzva: just run apt-get upgrade
[18:27] <asac> ;)
[18:27] <Jazzva> now let's wait a bit :)
[18:27] <Jazzva> woah
[18:27] <Jazzva> 480MB... for only 120 packages?
[18:27] <Jazzva> *sniff*
[18:27] <asac> Jazzva: you added -proposed?
[18:28] <asac> Jazzva: just type sudo apt-get install network-manager
[18:28] <asac> ;)
[18:28] <Jazzva> yeees... :)
[18:28] <asac> that should pull in all that is required for this upgrade
[18:28] <asac> Jazzva: remove -proposed ;)
[18:28]  * Jazzva needs to remove KDE.
[18:28] <Jazzva> I never use it, and I still keep it... hmph
[18:28] <asac> thats certainly a wise decision
[18:28] <asac> to increase flexibility in terms of instant upgrades
[18:29] <Jazzva> to remove hardy-proposed?
[18:29] <asac> no ... i think removing kde should be enough
[18:29] <Jazzva> hehe :)
[18:30] <asac> ok i am moving to dinner ;)
[18:31] <Jazzva> have fun :)
[18:31] <Jazzva> i'm removing KDE. Yay :D
[19:18] <Jazzva> yay, nm installs :)
[19:18] <Jazzva> am I online?
[19:19] <Jazzva> yay, I'm online :)
[19:19] <Jazzva> asac, it works... I'll see if I have something to test :)
[19:50] <asac> Jazzva: good
[19:50] <asac> thanks
[20:17] <Jazzva> asac, seems to be working ok. I can't turn it off by unchecking "Enable networking" in right-click menu. Probably because it switched my network to roaming mode.
[20:18] <asac> Jazzva: do you have something in /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:18] <Jazzva> auto lo
[20:18] <Jazzva> iface lo inet loopback
[20:18] <Jazzva> asac ^
[20:18] <asac> and you cant disable networking?
[20:19] <asac> what happens if you try to do that?
[20:19] <Jazzva> lemme test once more
[20:19] <Jazzva> disabled... do you read me?
[20:19] <asac> yeah
[20:19] <asac> strange
[20:19] <Jazzva> and now I enabled it back
[20:19] <asac> does the NM icon pretend its disconnected?
[20:20] <Jazzva> no
[20:20] <Jazzva> I'm switching to DHCP
[20:20] <asac> and when right clicking networking is still checked?
[20:20] <Jazzva> nope, it's unchecke
[20:20] <Jazzva> d
[20:20] <asac> did you upgrade the -gnome applet?
[20:21] <asac> and restart it ;)
[20:21] <Jazzva> yes
[20:21] <Jazzva> restart? I think it auto-restarted it
[20:21] <asac> no
[20:21] <asac> the applet is still the same
[20:21] <asac> ;)
[20:21] <asac> see right click -> about for version
[20:21] <asac> should be 0.7.0
[20:21] <Jazzva> aaah
[20:21] <Jazzva> :)
[20:21] <Jazzva> easy way to restart an applet?
[20:21] <Jazzva> :)
[20:21] <asac> killall nm-applet
[20:21] <asac> then start nm-applet ;)
[20:22] <asac> i see that thats a problem though
[20:22] <asac> not sure how to best do it :/
[20:22] <Jazzva> ok, i'll try now
[20:22] <Jazzva> maybe to put in postinst script?
[20:22] <asac> and then?
[20:22] <Jazzva> killall nm-applet ; nm-applet :)?
[20:22] <asac> the applet is started by the user
[20:22] <asac> ;)
[20:22] <asac> not by root
[20:22] <Jazzva> hmm..
[20:22] <asac> so if you have multiple people logged in, all need to be restarted
[20:23] <Jazzva> ok, i'll try to disconnect now
[20:23] <asac> i think the best way is to implement a sigstop handler or something that restarts it
[20:23] <asac> but well ;)
[20:23] <Jazzva> disconnected
[20:23] <asac> its too late for hardy users for that
[20:23] <Jazzva> ok... I think I was disconnected... couldn't ping google
[20:23] <asac> so most likely we need to display: "restart required" notification
[20:24] <Jazzva> mhm
[20:24] <Jazzva> like for firefox...
[20:24] <asac> Jazzva: good
[20:24] <asac> Jazzva: have you seen the latest and greates from xionox?
[20:24] <Jazzva> wow... it looks different :)
[20:24] <Jazzva> cool :)
[20:24] <Jazzva> plugin finder?
[20:24] <asac> no restart notifier ;)
[20:24] <Jazzva> or in NM?
[20:24] <asac> he has two branches: pluginf finder and restart notification
[20:24] <Jazzva> I don't think so... It looked the same as before...
[20:25] <asac> Jazzva: get it ;) ... bzr branch lp:~xionox/ubufox/restart.notifier
[20:25] <Jazzva> ok
[20:26] <asac> then you can  sudo touch /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/firefox-3.0-restart-required
[20:26] <asac> and see a restart notification in firefox ;)
[20:26] <asac> with a restart button :-D
[20:26] <Jazzva> ok, branching :)
[20:31] <Jazzva> oooh... pretty :)
[20:32] <Jazzva> just a little correction "has been"
[20:33] <Jazzva> yeah, it's much better than pop-up baloon in gnome-panel :)
[20:34] <asac> right. english is bogus ,)
[20:34] <asac> this still has glitches imo. for instance it doesnt show up in multiple windows properly
[20:34] <asac> further it misbehaves if you do two updates in a row.
[20:34] <Jazzva> two updates in a row? why would it misbehave?
[20:34] <asac> e.g. when you ignore the notification (close it) and you apt-get install --reinstall firefox-3.0 it wont pop up
[20:35] <asac> Jazzva: just try
[20:35] <Jazzva> ahh...
[20:35] <asac> 1st. open two or more windows
[20:35] <asac> then touch the file
[20:35] <Jazzva> it already checked that the file is present
[20:35] <asac> its random for me
[20:35] <asac> sometimes all windows display natification ... but most of the time just one window
[20:35] <Jazzva> maybe a for loop for all windows :)?
[20:35] <asac> well.. the java script is run for each window
[20:35] <Jazzva> (i have no idea if that's possible)
[20:36] <asac> but apparent gBrowser is the same
[20:36] <Jazzva> hmm... though it closes all windows
[20:36] <asac> yes sure
[20:36] <Jazzva> but, right... it would be better if it was present in both windows
[20:36] <asac> another bug. we should try to "save session"
[20:37] <asac> not just restart
[20:37] <Jazzva> well, there should be a procedure that firefox uses
[20:37] <asac> sure
[20:37] <Jazzva> it asks me to save tabs, or to just quit when I have multiple tabs open
[20:37] <asac> right ;)
[20:38] <Jazzva> hmm...
[20:38] <asac> so how to call it ;)
[20:38] <asac> i thihnk addons dialog does it wrong too
[20:38] <Jazzva> replace Restart button
[20:38] <asac> iirc we have bugs that complain about restart after extension install doesnt save tabs
[20:38] <Jazzva> and offer "Restart and save session", "Just restart"... something like that
[20:39] <Jazzva> like they did with "save password" dialof in fx2 -> fx3 :)
[20:39] <Jazzva> *dialog
[20:40] <Jazzva> you know fx code :). I suppose you know where to look for piece of code that offers the restart and save/don't save, so we can reuse it :)
[20:40] <Jazzva> and adapt it to show it in the yellow bar :)
[20:40] <asac> ok i think we have to emit a signal: quit-application-requested
[20:40] <asac> then browser will pop up the dialog and do the rest
[20:41] <Jazzva> it's easier than I thought :)
[20:43] <asac> Jazzva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30647/
[20:43] <asac> i think that code should do it
[20:44] <Jazzva> we can try it
[20:44] <asac> hmm
[20:44] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30649/
[20:44] <asac> maybe that?
[20:44] <Jazzva> anyway, I'll be off in few minutes to dinner :)
[20:44] <Jazzva> (though, not right now)
[20:48] <Jazzva> i'm looking at mdc
[20:51] <Jazzva> hmm... yes, with eAttemptQuit should be good
[20:51] <Jazzva> maybe "eAttempQuit | eRestart" to make sure it will restart
[20:51] <Jazzva> asac, as mentioned here http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/nsIAppStartup#Constants
[20:53] <Jazzva> off to dinner. bbl
[21:49] <asac> yeah well. i think there are bugs in it ;)
[21:49] <asac> i hope its not ubuntu specific
[21:53] <Jazzva> back... Hmm, I can try it now...
[21:53] <asac> two bad firefox from upstreawm doesnt start here at all
[21:54] <asac> wierd
[21:54] <asac> urgh
[21:54] <asac> Jazzva: can you start upstream build in intrepid in a reasonable way
[21:55] <asac> for me it has no theme and doesnt go online :/
[21:55] <Jazzva> upstream build? oh, downloaded directly from mozilla?
[21:55] <Jazzva> dunno... i can try
[21:55] <asac> yeah
[21:55] <asac> it doesnt work here :/
[21:55] <asac> i think because of amd64
[22:02] <Jazzva> asac, works for me in (non-updated) intrepid chroot
[22:02] <Jazzva> let me update it
[22:07] <asac> Jazzva: so if you disable/enable an extensions in addons there is the restart button
[22:08] <asac> if you hit that will your session be restored?
[22:08] <asac> e.g. tabs, windows
[22:08] <Jazzva> let me check
[22:09] <Jazzva> in upstream or our version?
[22:09] <Jazzva> asac ^
[22:09] <asac> in upstream
[22:09] <asac> in our version it doesnt work for me
[22:10] <asac> maybe try that too ;)
[22:11] <Jazzva> works for me :P
[22:11] <Jazzva> asac, your computer is bad. that's the problem :P
[22:11] <Jazzva> in our version
[22:12] <asac> Jazzva: hmm
[22:12] <asac> hmm
[22:12] <asac> hmm
[22:13] <Jazzva> :P
[22:13] <asac> Jazzva: good stuff
[22:14] <asac> now it works fine here ;)
[22:14] <asac> with a fresh profile
[22:14] <asac> hell whats going on
[22:14] <Jazzva> heh..
[22:14] <asac> ha
[22:14] <asac> prefs.js is own by root :(
[22:16] <asac> cool that was it
[22:16] <Jazzva> yay :)
[22:16] <asac> firefox should really really warn users in case it cannot write prefs.js
[22:16] <asac> or any other profile file
[22:17] <asac> i think it shouldnt start with the Profile parent folder not being owned by itself
[22:17] <asac> so root would just refuse to start with $HOME=/home/asac/
[22:20] <Jazzva> right
[23:01] <Jazzva> asac, we don't need to change restart function :). It was caused by your prefs.js, I think ;)
[23:02] <asac> Jazzva: really?
[23:03] <Jazzva> I just restarted and it resumed my session
[23:03] <asac> hmm
[23:04] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30691/
[23:04] <asac> try that please
[23:04] <asac> tell me if you think its better to get that dialog before
[23:07] <asac> ok i think i have to pack my bag :(
[23:15] <Jazzva> asac, ok, I'll try it now
[23:29] <Jazzva> asac, I'm not getting any dialog
[23:30] <jdhore> I get an error whenever i try to build firefox 3.0.1-ubuntu2:
[23:30] <Jazzva> asac, but I think restarting without a dialog is ok. User is expecting to get back his session on restart.
[23:30] <jdhore> cat debian/ubuntu-useragent.js.tmpl | sed \
[23:30] <jdhore> 		-e 's/@VENDOR@/'`lsb_release -i -s`'/g' \
[23:30] <jdhore> 		-e 's/@VENDOR_SUB@/'`lsb_release -r -s`'/g' \
[23:30] <jdhore> 		-e 's/@VENDOR_COMMENT@/'`lsb_release -c -s`'/g' \
[23:30] <jdhore> 	> debian/firefox-3.0/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.1/defaults/preferences/ubuntu-useragent.js
[23:30] <jdhore> sed: -e expression #2, char 24: unknown option to `s'
[23:30] <Jazzva> At least that seems logical to me
[23:32] <asac> jdhore: all build-depends installed?
[23:32] <jdhore> asac, yes
[23:32] <asac> but it worked in ppa
[23:32] <asac> or didnt it?
[23:32] <jdhore> i use cowbuilder which satisfies deps or the build doesn't start
[23:33] <asac> is that hardy?
[23:34] <jdhore> no, Debian
[23:38] <jdhore> that's why...you all borked the build-depends
[23:38] <jdhore> It seems that any Ubuntu dev can't do anything correctly.....
[23:43] <asac> jdhore: what is correctly here?
[23:46] <asac> doesnt lsb_release -c -s work for you?
[23:47] <asac> jdhore: try to use lsb as build-depends and not lsb-release
[23:47] <jdhore> meh
[23:47] <jdhore> I removed it
[23:47] <asac> ok
[23:47] <asac> use lsb-release, lsb-base
[23:48] <asac> jdhore: if that helps you i can probably add it
[23:50] <asac> Jazzva: right. but we should tell user that there is the risk of loosing session
[23:50] <asac> its about "really? cancel or restart"
[23:51] <asac> not save/not-save
[23:57] <Jazzva> Firefox has upgraded. Do you want to restart? There is a possibility of losing your data... --- Restart ... X
[23:57] <Jazzva> yellow bar :)
[23:57] <Jazzva> asac ^
[23:58] <asac> maybe, but still i think the behaviour should match the behaviour we get in addons "restart" notification
[23:58] <asac> imo
[23:59] <Jazzva> What do we get there?
[23:59] <Jazzva> IIRC, it just restarted for me... presented a yellow bar. that's it
[23:59] <asac> the dialog that is supposed to pop up with my patch ;)
[23:59] <asac> you get a warning dialog whch you can flag as "dont bother again"


[10:29] <knome> we should do a five-year update for the resize article
[11:13] <flocculant> or make the border grabbable for people ...
[11:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: any thoughts on sru for thunar - again :p
[11:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, I should get on that
[11:19] <flocculant> :)
[11:19] <flocculant> just saw another comment on bug - which reminded me :)
[13:22] <knome> flocculant, ask the GTK developers to do that :P
[15:29] <flocculant> :)
[18:21] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: tumbler 0.1.90 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-tumbler-0-1-90-released-tp49293.html (by Ali Abdallah-3)
[22:34] <APoliTech> hi all!
[22:40] <knome> hello


[04:24] <lfaraone> How does ubiquity interact with the partition manager? (does it use python bindings to libparted, or is that in C?)
[05:13] <TheMuso> lfaraone: ubiquity uses the d-i framework at the backend, with wrappers around parts to be used with the ubiquity GUI and the lives.
[09:24] <evand> cjwatson: do you mind sharing the options you use for kvm and virtio?  I believe I overheard you yesterday talking about undocumented options.
[09:27] <davmor2> evand: Morning All tested no mass re-spins so no wubi in :(  r129-signed worked I don't know why it was complaining about no disk
[09:31] <cjwatson> lfaraone: partman-base includes a 'parted_server' program; coupled with some other code it basically amounts to shell bindings to libparted
[09:31] <evand> davmor2: ok, no worries
[09:31] <cjwatson> lfaraone: and then the ubiquity integration on top of that is more complicated, as TheMuso said
[09:42] <cjwatson> I answered evand in person, but for the record I usually use something like 'kvm -m 384 -drive file=t.img,if=virtio,boot=on -cdrom jaunty-desktop-i386.iso' (the boot=on bit is undocumented
[09:42] <cjwatson> )
[10:05] <soren> cjwatson: Hm? It's listed quite clearly in the "kvm -h" output.
[10:09] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3224 karmic/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[10:09] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * GTK frontend:
[10:09] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  - Fix return value from get_keyboard/get_keyboard_variant if the stored
[10:09] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  default layout/variant is None (LP: #364539).
[10:10] <cjwatson> soren: oh, I was reading qemu(1) rather than kvm-qemu(1)
[10:12] <soren> cjwatson: Oh :)
[12:36] <davmor2> soren: you about still?
[12:46] <soren> davmor2: Yes.
[12:46] <davmor2> replying on server seems a more sensible place
[13:04] <soren> davmor2: There's actually an #ubuntu-virt channel :)
[13:04] <davmor2> soren: cool
[13:04] <davmor2> another one to bookmark
[13:10] <lfaraone> cjwatson: so what would be the easiest way for me to manipulate system partitions programmatically from python :)
[14:28] <cjwatson> lfaraone: err, I don't know I'm afraid. There used to be python bindings to libparted but I'm pretty sure they're unmaintained. Maybe you could track them down and maintain them? :-)
[14:50] <lfaraone> cjwatson: hehe. There was a GSCOC project in 2005, it doesn't even compile anymore on 2.6.
[16:08] <davmor2> cjwatson: you going to be at the party tomorrow?
[16:09] <davmor2> evand: ditto
[16:09] <cjwatson> davmor2: I'm not sure, maybe very briefly
[16:09] <cjwatson> I'm expected back home that evening
[16:10] <davmor2> cjwatson: why are you at CT
[16:10] <cjwatson> CT?
[16:10] <davmor2> Canonical Towers
[16:11] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, I am
[16:11] <davmor2> Oh well I'll be going there first. So I'll say hi then :)
[16:14] <evand> davmor2: I'll most likely be there
[16:14] <davmor2> cool
[19:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3225 karmic/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[19:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Make create/edit partition mount combo box activate the window default
[19:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: (LP: #364564).


[04:28] <tsimpson> Gnea: the one at https://launchpad.net/~<user>/+archive/<ppa name>
[04:28] <tsimpson> not at ppa.launchpad.net
[04:34] <Gnea> tsimpson: it's not there
[04:34] <tsimpson> which PPA?
[04:34] <Gnea> pulseaudio
[04:34] <wgrant> I seem to be missing context.
[04:34] <Gnea> https://launchpad.net/~bogdanb/+archive/ppa/pulseaudio
[04:35] <Gnea> I'm trying to obtain the key for the pulseaudio ppa so that I can download it
[04:35] <wgrant> Argh, bug.
[04:35] <wgrant> There's no PPA named pulseaudio there.
[04:36] <Gnea> yeah... and I wonder if I even have the right username
[04:36] <wgrant> I doubt it.
[04:36] <dtchen> you probably don't
[04:36] <Gnea> it's just not obvious
[04:37] <Gnea> ah ha https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[04:37] <wgrant> That's the one.
[04:37] <dtchen> i probably need to blog about that more widely
[04:37] <Gnea> thank you
[04:42] <Gnea> okay, I thought ppa's were for jaunty as well as karmic - did I miss the bus on this one?
[04:43] <wgrant> Gnea: They are for whatever the owner decides.
[04:43] <wgrant> This one only has packages for Karmic.
[04:44] <Gnea> I see
[04:44] <Gnea> just found the ones by themosu
[04:44] <wgrant> His should be good.
[04:45] <Gnea> they look like they've been around for a bit
[04:45] <dtchen> we're not building for jaunty in that ppa [yet]
[04:45] <Gnea> ok cool
[04:45] <dtchen> particularly since upstream git keeps sprouting versioned build-deps, like automake 1.11 and crackful libtool
[04:46] <Gnea> ok, now dist-upgrade is working properly
[04:46] <wgrant> dtchen: Loooovely.
[04:46] <Gnea> that's totally out of my range :)
[07:11] <jmarsden> I'm getting a Timeout Error (Error ID: OOPS-1323F679) when trying to file a bug in LP ... not on edge, on the real LP... is this a known issue?
[07:14] <wgrant> jmarsden: Sort of. Try reducing the number of terms in your initial summary -- once it gives you the list of possible duplicates, you can restore it to the full length.
[07:14] <jmarsden> Strange... OK, thanks.
[07:14] <wgrant> This will eventually be fixed by doing the search that times out via AJAX.
[08:09] <Hilikus> how can i add a dependency in my package on a package that's in the backport repo?
[08:10] <wgrant> Hilikus: You could copy the package from -backports into your PPA, or tell your PPA that it can depend on all backports.
[08:11] <wgrant> The latter is easier, but obviously might have other side-effects.
[08:11] <Hilikus> i also depend on a package from another PPA. i didn't know i could copy other packages to my ppa
[08:11] <wgrant> Sometimes depending on the whole other PPA is better.
[08:12] <wgrant> But if you just want to copy a package, you can go to the PPA with the package and select 'Copy packages'
[08:13] <Hilikus> wgrant: why do you say sometimes it's better?
[08:14] <wgrant> Hilikus: Sometimes I might be maintaining a PPA for one piece of software, and then create another PPA for something which depends on the first piece of software.
[08:14] <wgrant> It's much easier to declare a dependency on the first PPA, so I don't have to worry about copying new versions around.
[08:14] <wgrant> It will just magically get them from the other PPA.
[08:16] <Hilikus> i see
[08:22] <Hilikus> wgrant: ok i managed to copy the package from the other PPA but i don't know how to copy the one from backport
[08:25] <wgrant> Hilikus: If you're lucky, you'll be able to use https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=debhelper&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=any. But that is unsupported and very often times out, so you might have to use the API.
[13:28] <TLE> hallo I was wondering if any of you can tell em why lauchpad don't attribute my commits to me
[13:29] <TLE> https://code.launchpad.net/~pyg3t-dev-team/pyg3t/trunk
[13:30] <TLE> as you can see, there are written as if some, to launchpad unknown person har commited
[13:31] <wgrant> TLE: You're missing the angled brackets around your email address. It should be something like 'Some Person<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:32] <TLE> I will try
[13:50] <TLE> Do'h!
[13:50] <TLE> thanks wgrant, it works
[13:50]  * TLE hides
[13:50] <wgrant> TLE: Excellent.
[19:17] <Ampelbein> hi there. what's up with the armel builders? 160 queued items and they idle around... did they take a day off? ;-)
[19:48] <Hilikus> hey guys
[19:49] <Hilikus> i dled a package from a ppa that doesnt build. i fixed it and now it works. but the othre PPA keeps producing a nightly failde build. is there some way i can keep like a patch of the fix to apply it to the newer packages?
[19:57] <Ampelbein> Hilikus: how about notifying the the owner of the failing ppa about the issue? that way it can be fixed for real.
[19:57] <Hilikus> Ampelbein: they're busy doing something else. this is the amarok nightly build. they said it is going to be fixed in 1-2 months
[19:58] <Daviey> Hilikus: surely if you have a working patch, they wouldn't mind applying it to their trunk?
[19:58] <Hilikus> its not a patch on the code. its a patch on the packaging
[19:58] <Hilikus> just different dependencies in debian/control
[19:59] <Hilikus> if i can make a patch of the packaging and not on the code itself i could try to send it to them
[19:59] <Daviey> Hilikus: i'm saying, if there builds are failing every night.. and it looks like you have a 1 line patch.. surely the ppa owner team would apply it
[23:16] <pcabido> Hi, is there any easy way to reverse the latest pushed code to a branch?
[23:16] <beuno> pcabido, you need to uncommit, and push --overwrite
[23:17] <pcabido> beuno: I see.. and what if it was the result of a merge?
[23:17] <pcabido> that's my case
[23:17] <pcabido> I don't have the source of the merge any more
[23:19] <wgrant> Is the code that you want to revert inside the merge?
[23:19] <wgrant> Or just before it?
[23:19] <wgrant> Do you want to revert the entire merge?
[23:22] <pcabido> wgrant: I want to revert the entire merge, but I don't have the source of the merge (the main branch) anymore, and that main branch that I don't have is what I want to get out of the mess
[23:22] <pcabido> is it possible?
[23:23] <wgrant> pcabido: This is getting complicated. Can you explain the whole situation?
[23:23] <wgrant> If you've merged those revisions into another branch, it's easy enough to get the old branch back.
[23:23] <pcabido> wgrant: yes, I mage bzr merge ../br2 and now I want to see if I can the br2 branch back
[23:25] <pcabido> mage = made
[23:26] <wgrant> pcabido: Well, first take a backup of the branches, just in case.
[23:26] <wgrant> pcabido: Then we need to find out the ID of the last revision that was on br2. Do that using 'bzr log -n0 --show-ids'
[23:26] <pcabido> wgrant: did that
[23:28] <wgrant> pcabido: Once you have that revision ID, 'bzr pull -r revid:<REVISIONID> .' should turn the current branch into your old branch.
[23:39] <pcabido> wgrant: thanks for the help, the problem is now solved :)
[23:39] <wgrant> pcabido: np


[06:00] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: no, it means "declare the variable with this name in the current scope".. sure you don't have to without "use strict;" but with strict you need to declare a variable 'our', 'my', 'local' or 'state'
[06:37] <pinky-> coffee time
[06:40]  * pinky- whispers to Azelphur "psst got any parsley?"
[06:40] <MartijnVdS> atomic parsley?
[06:40] <pinky-> I was just referring to the video clip he posted yesterday
[06:40] <pinky-> :)
[08:05] <AlanBell> bug 950160
[08:06] <AlanBell> woot, HUD stealing alt from VMs might get fixed
[08:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:31] <TheHustle> Hello, please could someone tell me, how to get an md5sum of a cd in the cdrom drive, thank you.
[08:33] <pinky-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[08:34] <TheHustle> thank you pinky-
[08:44] <pinky-> more coffee required.
[08:47] <popey> +1
[08:48] <Laney> getting out of bed required first
[09:53] <Seeker`> No! Coffee bad! Tea good!
[09:54]  * Seeker` ponders which sort of tea to have this morning
[09:54] <brobostigon> new Dr Who, and new QI XL, tonight, :)
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[09:57] <brobostigon> o/
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> there was a program on trains last Thursday
[09:59] <pinky-> I need a slave to send to the shop for cake as "Time Team" marathon is on More 4
[10:22] <pinky-> oh it's quite sunny here today so I'm off in garden, back later
[10:24] <popey> :)
[10:34] <bittin> might not go to UK until next year
[10:38] <popey> is that good or bad?
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> for you or for him?
[10:40] <Seeker`> good. means more tea for us!
[10:40] <bittin> popey, its okay i guess
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: hah, I have 2 trips to the UK planned already ;)
[11:15] <bootinfdsds> AlanBell, Hi there ... love your G+ posts ...
[11:15] <AlanBell> really?
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> All the chicken ones?
[11:17] <bootinfdsds> Yep ... I like Alan Pope more though ( he's addicted to it !)
[11:17] <AlanBell> yeah, I like popey's posts more too
[11:17] <popey> O_O
[11:18] <czajkowski> lol
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: you do post quite a bit on G+ :)
[11:18] <bootinfdsds> Are there any others that I dont know  about that do regular posts ?? - I could add them ...
[11:18] <popey> I do?
[11:18] <AlanBell> speaking of which, did you know that popey only has one facial expression? http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/popey.jpg
[11:18] <popey> haha
[11:18] <bootinfdsds> opening....
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://wolk.vandestreek.net/~martijn/lolpopey.jpg
[11:19] <bootinfdsds> Christ .. I always wondered what the guy with the ball was ...
[11:20]  * bootinfdsds has struth moment
[11:21] <bootinfdsds> MartijnVdS, Looks like he goes to my local college .. Hahaha.
[11:23] <bootinfdsds> I wonder what happened to this guy ???? http://goo.gl/m9nlm
[11:26] <bootinfdsds> Some ppl !
[11:26] <bootinfdsds> Anyway , did everyone vomit at the apple keynote ?
[11:26] <AlanBell> did anyone watch it?
[11:26] <bootinfdsds> Oh its software freedom day today !
[11:29] <bootinfdsds> #sfd looks decidedly roomy with only 12 people in the channel...
[11:33] <bootinfdsds> representing .. at least 450 people ... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Day )
[11:41] <bootinfdsds> Anything good on the radio at the moment ?
[11:42] <bootinfdsds> .
[11:42] <bootinfdsds> .
[11:42] <bootinfdsds> .
[11:42] <bootinfdsds> .
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> bootinfdsds: stop flooding, please
[11:43] <bootinfdsds>  I have to say when-ever I think of the UK Ubuntu group I think of dad's army ... Is that an Apt description ?
[11:44]  * bootinfdsds realises he's just insulted the entire room ... oh dear me
[11:55] <bootinfdsds> lots of 3pm games on today .. thought that was a tradition lost ?
[12:33] <popey> davmor2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1049890
[14:06] <jacobw> bootinfdsds: kinda accurate, see 'the wing commander'?
[14:06] <popey> http://images.plurk.com/2ApwVlEkIAt00qVcckJ5pg.jpg
[14:06] <popey> hong kong airport apparently uses ubuntu
[14:07] <jacobw> :D
[17:25] <AlanBell> upgraded my OLPC to the latest image with Gnome 3
[17:26] <AlanBell> fallback mode only but it is nice
[18:00] <jacobw> AlanBell: how is compositing on an OLPC?
[18:01] <AlanBell> well it all seems fine, no llvmpipe so it is just fallback without 3d stuff
[18:02] <AlanBell> rhythmbox on it won't talk to my phone in exactly the same way it doesn't on Ubuntu
[18:02] <jacobw> :)
[18:04] <AlanBell> think I might take this to the office as an IRC machine
[19:12]  * penguin42 wonders if there are any shortcuts in chrome to select a link within a webpage
[19:16] <jacobw> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dbepggeogbaibhgnhhndojpepiihcmeb
[19:18] <penguin42> jacobw: Ah yeh, I've been thinking of trying one of the vi plugins, what do you do in that to select a particular link?
[19:21] <jacobw> in vimium, press f, each links will be subscripted with letters and you can use those letters to follow the link
[19:22] <jacobw> vimium is quite unintrusive compared to the firefox extensions, which IMO are cumbersome
[19:23] <penguin42> jacobw: I'm a bit worried though that since I use ff and chrome it'll be a pain to learn both
[19:23] <penguin42> nice thing about vi is it works everwhere
[19:23] <jacobw> they're the same
[19:23] <penguin42> ah ok
[19:26] <jacobw> vimium is kind of a limited implementation compared to the firefox extensions, the firefox extensions try to make it possible to use everything accessible to an extensions with a consistent keyboard scheme
[19:27] <jacobw> there's more bugs in the FF extensions that in vimium
[19:32] <penguin42> hmm nice, seems a bit odd to use HL for history forward and back and JK for tabs; tabs are horizontal
[19:33] <jacobw> vim doesn't make a great deal of sense if you ask why everything is how it is, but it's just easier that way :)
[19:34] <penguin42> jacobw: No, I mean vimiums use of HL/JK doesn't make sense to those of us who've used vi for about 50% of our lives
[19:35] <jacobw> which do you do more often?
[19:36] <jacobw> in my experience, vim prioritizes the things you have to do all the time
[19:37] <jacobw> like all the things that are bound to capital letters
[19:39] <penguin42> jacobw: I use vi all the time, and quite often use hjkl to move around
[19:43] <penguin42> jacobw: My point was purely that I'd have expected vimium to use HL to move between tabs, rather than JK since tabs are typically horizontal and there is the association of hl to move horizontally
[20:09] <brobostigon> QI XL :)
[20:14] <Azelphur> pinky-: nah I don't sell parsly, I don't want the police to take my car xD
[20:14] <pinky-> haha
[20:15] <pinky-> that's tickled me
[20:16] <pinky-> quite funny
[20:23] <Azelphur> pinky-: did you see the one about the washing machine? :P
[20:23] <Azelphur> police documentaries are funny xD
[20:23] <pinky-> no doesn't ring any bells
[20:24] <Azelphur> pinky-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh1asOpDZxk&t=58m20s
[20:24] <pinky-> lol
[20:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:26] <pinky-> yeah like you watch that docu for one hour then at end they say that....
[20:27] <Azelphur> indeed \o/
[20:28] <pinky-> I just laughed so hard it hurt
[20:28] <Azelphur> xD
[20:29] <Azelphur> I have another one which is funny somewhere, trying to find it xD
[20:31] <Azelphur> pinky-: http://www.splicd.com/c_ZBlMM7qlI/2410/2420 is a good one
[20:31] <Azelphur> proactive policing right there.
[20:31] <pinky-> yeah lol I saw that one the other day
[20:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:32] <Azelphur> did you see the one where the police were making funny noises?
[20:32] <Azelphur> that's the one I'm trying to find xD
[20:32] <pinky-> no not seen it
[20:33] <Azelphur> yay here it is xD http://www.splicd.com/hOX_CJVh2uA/8/21
[20:33] <pinky-> Bling!
[20:33] <Azelphur> lol
[20:34] <pinky-> actually I have a younger sister who is a copper from Durham and she writes on her facebook account all the time about gypsies:P
[20:34] <pinky-> true
[20:34] <Azelphur> fun
[20:35] <pinky-> you can choose your friends but not your family heh;)
[20:35] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:47] <mattt> pinky-: did my first "fast" day today, bloody hungry :P
[20:50] <pinky-> when I'm really hungry and there's nothing I fancy I just sleep it off
[20:50] <mattt> i'm not used to feeling hungry, as sad as that sounds
[20:52] <pinky-> yes if you are a regular eater, fasting is hard to do
[20:53] <mattt> <-- regular eater :P
[20:54] <pinky-> it's public logged in here and I can't really chat fully, but I take meds and when I do take them it's only time I eat.. when I don't take them I can't eat at all and can goes days and days
[20:55] <mattt> ah, that sounds tough
[20:55] <hamitron> never heard a better reason to pop more pills ;D
[20:55] <pinky-> I'm addicted to coffee with sugar and that is what keeps my body weight up
[20:55] <pinky-> I have curtain health problems
[20:55] <pinky-> certain*
[20:56] <pinky-> my meds rule my life so I tend to try and not take them if I have to
[20:56] <pinky-> but there comes a time when I must
[20:57] <pinky-> that's all I can really say in public
[20:57] <mattt> fair enough
[21:00] <pinky-> I'm a bit shy:)
[21:00] <lanboy> i used to be shy
[21:01] <pinky-> with virtual strangers in the Ubuntu world where nobody really knows who everybody is:)
[21:01] <lanboy> but after i was forced to work with the public i became more open
[21:06] <pinky-> I'm really bad at food shopping as I tend to always buy everything in tins! .. If I buy freash produce for the fridge it always spoils before I get round to thinking about eating it
[21:07] <pinky-> so I stopped buying freash aprt from milk
[21:07] <lanboy> buy stuff thats easy to add into stuff
[21:07] <lanboy> peppers and onions etc
[21:07] <pinky-> I tend to drink a lot of fruit smoothies in place
[21:07] <pinky-> in place of
[21:08] <lanboy> i've got peppers, tomatoes, spring onions and chinese cabbage right now
[21:08] <mattt> or frozen veggies
[21:10] <pinky-> if the Mylan calandar is correct and the world ends on December 21st at 10:30pm get to my place cos I've got all the tins!
[21:12] <Seeker`> erm
[21:13] <Seeker`> just
[21:13] <Seeker`> no
[21:13] <pinky-> also incase of Zombie outbreak
[21:13] <lanboy> dont frozen vegetables negate the reason for having vegetables
[21:13] <lanboy> i had a canned soup today and it was pretty awful lol
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> *cue canned laughter*
[21:14] <lanboy> oh you
[21:17] <pinky-> Mayan*
[21:28] <lanboy> what're you guys up to tonight anyway?
[21:31] <pinky-> take over the world like we try to every night
[21:33] <lanboy> olol
[21:34] <lanboy> i'm having a discussion on the internet with some enraged girl on youtube
[21:49]  * popey hugs pinky-
[21:56] <mattt> lanboy: frozen vegetables are perfectly good :D
[21:58] <lanboy> i thought they lost a lot of their vitamins and good stuff through being frozen an unfrozen
[21:58] <lanboy> and*
[22:12] <guest72446> hii
[22:12] <guest72446> i have issue with my webcam
[22:22] <lanboy> whats the issue?
[22:55] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:57] <lanboy> cheers
[22:57] <brobostigon> o/
[22:57] <Azelphur> anyone know how I'd change the application that opens magnet links?
[22:59] <lanboy> opening from browser?
[22:59] <lanboy> or system?
[23:02] <Azelphur> lanboy: browser
[23:03] <lanboy> firefox?
[23:03] <Azelphur> chromium
[23:03] <lanboy> oh
[23:03] <lanboy> then i dont know :P
[23:03] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:03] <Goshawk> Hi guys, is there a linux version of windows 'scan disk' and if so, how do I do it?
[23:03] <Azelphur> no idea what windows scan disk does, elaborate :P
[23:03] <ali1234> scandisk does a lot of things
[23:04] <ali1234> !fsck
[23:04] <Goshawk> ah ok, cheers
[23:04] <ali1234> that's more like chkdisk though
[23:05] <ali1234> or dskchk or whatever it's called
[23:07] <penguin42> Goshawk: So the question is what do you want to check/fix - fsck checks for inconsistencies in the fileystem structures, not anything to do with say a bad physical disk or fragmentation say
[23:07] <Goshawk> actually all of the above
[23:08] <penguin42> Goshawk: Well for physical disk issues I'd use smartctl to ask the drive to do a self test and see the error logs
[23:08] <penguin42> Goshawk: And generally on Linux you don't need to do any fragmentation fixing
[23:09] <Goshawk> ok cool
[23:10] <lanboy> penguin42: you seem to be quite knowlegable, could you explain why i only get disk space back when i ctrl+del, del only removes the file visably
[23:10] <lanboy> penguin42: sorry shift+del
[23:10] <penguin42> lanboy: That shouldn't happen unless there is some program that has the file open
[23:10] <penguin42> lanboy: If a program has the file open then it won't really be freed up until the program ends
[23:11] <lanboy> penguin42: does nautilus count?
[23:12] <penguin42> lanboy: Not for a directory normally - but if it's say a tar or iso that has actually been mounted/unpacked to view it by nautilus then probably yes
[23:14] <lanboy> penguin42: i seem to have just lost disk space from deleting things in the past, is there anything i can do to sort it out /defrag?
[23:14] <penguin42> lanboy: No, because it shouldn't happen
[23:15] <penguin42> lanboy: Are you sure you've not just moved it to a trash can somewhere you haven't emptired?
[23:15] <lanboy> penguin42: i deleted the files then emptied the trash
[23:16] <penguin42> that should work
[23:16] <Azelphur> aha, got it
[23:16] <Azelphur> chrome uses xdg-open, so I did a little hack to make xdg-open do what I wanted \o/
[23:16] <lanboy> niceee
[23:18] <lanboy> penguin42: thanks for the info
[23:19] <Azelphur> now I click magnet links and it ssh's my torrent box and adds them, automagically \o/
[23:19] <lanboy> penguin42: heh i should probably reboot, havent done in 120 days :P


[09:01] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1603/detail/ popey has been testing the comment system
[09:02] <AlanBell> dunno if we want to fix it or just give popey a slap
[10:15] <nigelb> AlanBell: can we do both? :D
[10:22] <cjohnston> AlanBell: file a bug and assign it to popey?
[10:22] <AlanBell> cjohnston: perfect ;)
[10:23] <daker> AlanBell, there is a fix waiting to be reviewed
[10:24] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix.616547/+merge/107553
[10:25] <AlanBell> nice
[13:52] <daker> cjohnston, wanna test the MP ツ
[13:54] <cjohnston> daker: I'm trying to migrate a server right now.. I'll try to work on reviews later today.
[13:54] <daker> ok tyt ツ
[13:54] <cjohnston> moving servers and switching web servers.. nginx ftw


[00:08] <timholum> hello, I am looking at writting a mod / patch ( maybe a lens? ) for unity search, I am wondering if anyone know's of a tutorial on writting a lens, to see if that will do what I am looking for
[00:10] <timholum> The idea I am trying to bring to reality is when I search for \\<IP_ADDRESS> or \\someserver display's an icon I can click on to make an smb connection ( and maybe even a scp , ssh, and ftp connection  depending on difficulty )
[11:37] <preyas_> any1 here??
[11:38] <preyas_> i want to install gnome3 shell in ubuntu 11.04 can any1 help me
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> is anyone able to parse bug 774174?
[17:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774174 in firefox "The menu "Bookmarks" in Firefox does not work correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774174
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> i honestly can't work out what the reporter is trying to say :/
[19:09] <LLStarks> hi, i have a question regarding dpkg behavior.
[19:09] <LLStarks> let's say i delete a file installed by a package.
[19:10] <LLStarks> why can't i restore that file with a dpkg? why must i first uninstall the package and its dependencies and then reinstall the package to restore the file?
[19:11] <mtvoid> LLStarks: You don't need to uninstall it first, you can simply reinstall it
[19:11] <LLStarks> i did
[19:11] <LLStarks> but the file isn't regenerated
[19:12] <mtvoid> LLStarks: What command did you you use?
[19:12] <LLStarks> aptitude reinstall
[19:12] <LLStarks> apt-get  --reinstall as well
[19:12] <LLStarks> also a manual dpkg with the deb
[19:14] <LLStarks> btw, the package in question is python-apt, but i've seen this with other packages in the past
[19:14] <mtvoid> LLStarks: I just tried it out just to be sure, works fine here
[19:15] <LLStarks> if i do this: rm /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info
[19:15] <LLStarks> there's no way to get the file back unless i uninstall and then install
[19:15] <LLStarks> but python-apt has many dependencies
[19:16] <LLStarks> so it's not practical
[19:16] <mtvoid> LLStarks: You can use dpkg to force an uninstall, ignoring the dependency problems
[19:16] <LLStarks> what flag?
[19:17] <mtvoid> LLStarks: Just add a --force
[19:17] <LLStarks> lemme try
[19:19] <mtvoid> LLStarks: Actually try --force-help to see all options, though --force-all will take care of it too.
[19:20] <jbicha> -f fixes everything :-)
[19:20] <LLStarks> still nothing
[19:20] <LLStarks> ls doesn't show the file
[19:21] <LLStarks> one sec
[19:22] <LLStarks> oh ****
[19:22] <LLStarks> i was using the wrong package. i needed the common.
[19:22] <LLStarks> sorry to waste your time
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> lol
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[19:22] <mtvoid> LLStarks: I suspected something like that, actually ;)
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> of course, if you delete a file from /etc, then i don't think reinstalling the package gets you the file back ;)
[19:26] <LLStarks> except for the unrelated x crash, everything's good now
[19:26] <LLStarks> thanks
[19:28] <LLStarks> that being said though, my original concern regarding dpkg behavior is something i have encountered even when i have the right package. i'll be on the lookout for its occurrence.
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, you missed my last comment ;)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> if you delete a file in /etc, then reinstalling a package won't bring it back
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> i guess you might have seen that before
[19:29] <LLStarks> yeah
[19:29] <LLStarks> that might be it
[19:30] <LLStarks> happens whenever i wipe /etc/apt
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> don't wipe it ;)
[19:31] <LLStarks> i'll remember not too.
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> conffiles are handled differently by the package manager compared to other files, so it can preserve user changes
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> which might include you deleting the files entirely ;)
[19:37] <LLStarks> so, the only way to repopulate files in etc is a forced removal and then installation?
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, or just copy the files you want from the deb ;)
[19:40] <LLStarks> but then the symlinks and permissions might be screwed up
[19:41] <LLStarks> whatever. i'll just not touch files that have special cases like /etc
[19:41] <LLStarks> get enough trouble etc/default/grub
[19:42] <LLStarks> *trouble with