[00:05] <markit> Aknot: gnash is Free software, the work of developers to bring freedom to users trying to decode a convulted, inefficient, obscure format. Adobe Flash is all the contrary, it's goal is to control the user and the web. So now decide who deserves to be insulted
[00:05] <markit> time to sleep, 1 am here and a lot of bug hunting done for LiBo 4.0
[00:05] <markit> good night
[00:11] <adnan> alooooooooooooooooo
[01:19] <cjae> wow do I love dark workspace application appearances themes, so I have just installed 12.10 on another box and would like to know how I go about getting those themes on my 12.04 box eg. krida-darker
[01:20] <cjae> i tried the get new themes button and typing krida and get nothing
[01:21] <cjae> also I am currently looking on kde look but I am wondering why they do not show up on 12.04 machine
[01:30] <AbortD> do i need to apt-get kwin? i can not figure out how to get into its settings or do I need to attach composite?
[03:13] <hanasaki> in kde how do you get a search window for the nepomuk indexed file names and contents?
[03:23] <SIR_Taco> hanasaki: http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk#Try_out_in_Dolphin
[03:27] <hanasaki> SIR_Taco:  hmmm hung kde for me :(
[03:30] <sithlord48> whats hanging kde for you (late to the party)
[03:30] <hanasaki>  hanasaki: in kde how do you get a search window for the nepomuk indexed file names and contents?
[03:30] <hanasaki> SIR_Taco: hanasaki: http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk#Try_out_in_Dolphin
[03:31] <hanasaki> brought up the index in system setttings... and it hung the system settings aplet
[03:31] <sithlord48> you just open dolphin and hit ctrl+F open up search
[03:31] <sithlord48> can you tell me what version of kde your running?
[03:31] <sithlord48> just about any program help-> about kDe
[03:32] <hanasaki> everything is the current release for kubuntu
[03:33] <hanasaki> I thought there was some kde dialog that shows at the top of the screen for the search so dolphin is not required
[03:33] <sithlord48> no it is just a thing dolphin does.
[03:33] <hanasaki> brb.. gotta log out.. this is all locked up
[03:33] <sithlord48> kk
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> thanks sithlord48
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> I'm only half here
[03:42] <sithlord48> your welcome SIR_Taco, but what are you thanking me for?
[03:43] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: you finished where I left off
[03:43] <sithlord48> im also 1/2 here mostly working on gettting a vbox set up w/ a Qt 5 dev enviroment to play on , need to port my code or attempt to at least.
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: porting to Qt5 is on my list as well... just guagng which places to introduce it to first.
[03:49] <sithlord48> SIR_Taco:  mines just a simple port , the where to improve with new Qt5 stuff can happen a bit later on for this project.
[03:53] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: I've just been mulling around the idea of moving the next set of updates to Qt5... but I think I'll just re-visit the code and make it a little more extensible for now
[03:55] <sithlord48> i plan to say with qt4 untill at very least kde in kubuntu uses is (as i have a ppa i don't want to break)
[04:16] <Colin_> ehhh
[04:16] <Colin_> hi
[04:17] <Colin_> hello....
[04:17] <Colin_> echo echo....
[04:17] <Colin_> Lol
[04:17] <sithlord48> ?
[04:18] <Colin_> idk
[04:18] <Colin_> this a chat room?
[04:18] <Colin_> it was on my comp
[04:18] <Colin_> Lol
[04:18] <sithlord48> it is on your computer.
[04:19] <Colin_> yeah it is on my computer..
[04:19] <Colin_> and I didn't know what it was..
[04:20] <thelionroars> yes it is a chatroom
[04:20] <sithlord48> included IRC client , for chating with but set to the kubuntu help chanel by default so help is easy to get.
[04:20] <Colin_> okay
[04:21] <Colin_> um w^?
[04:27] <cutaway> Somebody please tell me how to switch the default PDF application in 12.10 so that it uses okular instead of krita
[04:28] <cutaway> I've switched it in individual apps, but some don't let you and switch
[04:28] <cutaway> it is rather annoying
[04:32] <Takeshi> prueba
[04:37] <thelionroars> cutaway, go to start menu>system settings>file associations, then go to application>pdf, and move okular to the top of the list
[04:37] <cutaway> it already was
[04:37] <cutaway> krita was on bottom of list
[04:37] <cutaway> i'm removing it now
[04:37] <cutaway> but I don't have much hope
[04:39] <cutaway> just restarted the application that was opening the PDF for me, KiCad
[04:39] <cutaway> it still thinks krita is default
[04:43] <cutaway> oh well, thank you thelionroars
[04:49] <thelionroars> ok, this should work
[04:50] <thelionroars> in your home folder, go to .local/share/applications and open up mimeapps.list in kate (or your text editor)
[04:50] <thelionroars> add this line to the end:
[04:50] <thelionroars> application/pdf=okular.desktop;
[04:50] <thelionroars> hope that helps cutaway
[04:51] <cutaway> trying now
[04:51] <cutaway> :q
[04:52] <thelionroars> didn't work?
[04:52] <cutaway> no, wrong window
[04:53] <cutaway> application/pdf=kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop;gimp.desktop;display.im6.desktop;
[04:53] <cutaway> that is the first line in the file
[04:53] <thelionroars> oh, right
[04:54] <cutaway> this is under "Removed Associations"
[04:54] <cutaway> application/pdf=kde4-krita_pdf.desktop;
[04:54] <cutaway> grr
[04:54] <cutaway> :q
[04:54] <cutaway> wrong window
[04:55] <Takeshi> test
[06:31] <voxcroix> hi
[06:32] <voxcroix> hello..
[06:55] <Name141> Is there a reason I'd want lightkdm instead of kdm when installing kubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <Name141> (or what's the difference anyway?)
[06:57] <thelionroars> lightdm is being used from 12.10 onwards
[06:57] <thelionroars> not sure if there are any tangible advantages, they both do the same job
[07:00] <Name141> I'm using the LTS
[07:01] <thelionroars> yes, 12.04
[07:07] <Name141> I should have just downloaded Kubuntu , atleast Kubuntu doesn't make me want to beat the screen with a stick anymore like Unity
[07:08] <Name141> KDE*
[07:09] <thelionroars> I haven't tried Unity out yet
[07:11] <Name141> Hm, how do I fix it so that the display is remembered ?
[07:11] <Name141> (Screen res)
[07:11] <Name141> when I logged out and back in it reverted back to 800x600
[07:12] <Name141> does it have to be changed through CCC admin? (4670 ATi card)
[07:14] <Name141> ah never mind, I found the 'save as default' :p
[07:15] <Name141> is there anyway to get rid of the ubuntu-desktop packages?
[08:17] <Name141-> what in the
[08:17] <Name141-> the Kubuntu ISOs are too big for a 700 MB CD-R
[08:20] <Name141-> is it possible to get a CD-R sized /
[08:20] <Name141-> ?
[08:22] <persia> Not easily anymore.  Can your machine boot from USB?
[08:22] <Name141-> seems the alternate is under 700
[08:23] <Name141-> not the one I'm installing it to
[08:25] <persia> Well, looks like you'll have to either get some slightly higher-capacity blanks (750 should do), or use the alternate for 12.04.
[08:25] <Name141-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386.iso is under the limit.
[08:26] <persia> Right.  That's the alternate.  The installer is text-mode, but the results should be nearly identical to installing kubuntu from the other image.
[08:26] <Name141-> yeah, I just wanted to get it over with since I'm replacing XP
[08:26] <Name141-> (and not have thousands of different desktops)
[08:29] <persia> Using the alternate is likely the easiest way.  The next step involves fiddling with very minimal images that just have the installer, which means the download has to happen during the install.
[08:30] <Name141-> yeah, I'm burning the ISO now
[08:36] <Name141-> persia: little more annoying/Debian style setup it seems :p
[08:44] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:10] <Name141-> eh the keyboard is wrong
[09:10] <Name141-> is that an easy fix?
[09:11] <ct529> hi! After the last kernel update my boot time has increased of approx 10s.
[09:12] <persia> Depends on which keyboard you have.  For many, it's worth interrupting the install (with Back), and manually processing keyboard selection.
[09:12] <ct529> Any changes that could justify it?
[09:12] <persia> ct529: Repeatedly, or just the immediate post-update boot?
[09:12] <ct529> persia: repeatedely, every time I reboot
[09:12] <persia> Sorry then, no idea.
[09:13] <ct529> it has gone from aorund 25s to 35s.
[09:13] <ct529> then kde takes forever, like minutes.
[12:11] <thelionroars> what's the current keyboard shortcut for restarting X?
[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel:  kde 4.10 rc1 ?
[13:38] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: with holidays near we're a bit understaffed and there were more changes than expected - we'll be done soonish
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: sorry , I was on the phone. Ya I forgot about the holidays. How long does it take to compile the kde sc in a p4 processor 3.0 ghz?
[13:53] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: I haven't used kdesrc-build in ages so I don't know... a few hours
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: If I learn to package, will that be sufficient to join the packaging team or should need a better computer also?
[13:56] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: that's enough, we currently let launchpad do most of the build work anyway, and you can always leave the large packages to someone else
[13:56] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: if you're curious where we're at with the rc, the topic of #kubuntu-devel has info on that
[13:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I have learn to use bazzar now, I have some doubts. I will consult with you later about that. Do you have a changelog  template ?
[13:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: dch is used to manage changelog entries and takes care of most of the metadata in there for you
[13:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: also see our current packaging: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/
[13:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: and join #kubuntu-devel if you plan to do packaging please ;)
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Joined the channel,  I doubt if I am ready yet, I will try my best. Are you enjoying your holidays and am I ruining it?
[14:03] <yofel> lol no, I want to get the RC as much as you want so I'm working on that anyway :P
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Thank you
[14:05] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: now that you're in -devel, if you have any (kubuntu-related) packaging questions please ask them there - we don't bite ;)
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: nice
[14:28] <Aknot> How can i make firefox to launch magnet torrents in transmission.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Aknot:  when you click on the torrent and asks to "open with " , navigate to /usr/bin/transmission and choose it there
[15:20] <Aknot> i got it working i had to do about:config and add something there
[16:32] <Kottizen> Hi, uhm, I'm trying to get activeplasma working. I've installed the package "active-plasma". Unfortunately it doesn't work, I get this: http://pastebin.com/gjfecqbV
[16:32] <Kottizen> When I execute the command "startactive" I get a loading screen that then exists, showing me the original/old desktop.
[16:33] <Kottizen> Any idea what I can do?
[16:37] <AbortD> did you run it as root?
[16:39] <AbortD> Kottizen: ?
[16:43] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh, sorry
[16:43] <Kottizen> AbortD: let me try that
[16:44] <AbortD> k
[16:45] <bjrohan> I am looking for some help in settng up rysnc over my home network using ssh, can anyone here verify my command to make sure it will do what I want?  I have ssh with rsa keys set up already
[16:52] <AbortD> whats the word Kottizen
[16:54] <Kottizen> AbortD: sorry, it's taking me some time on this nexus 7 :P
[16:55] <Kottizen> AbortD: it doesn't work though, even with root, I'm working on copying over the error
[16:55] <AbortD> oh your not on a pc?
[16:56] <AbortD> Kottizen: is the nexus 7 a tablet?
[16:57] <Kottizen> AbortD: I have a PC from which I chat on here
[16:57] <Kottizen> AbortD: then I got a nexus 7 with Ubuntu on, with the kubuntu-desktop package and the plasma-active package
[16:58] <AbortD> damn nice how well does the touch screen work?
[16:58] <Kottizen> AbortD: I've successfully started the KDE/Kubuntu thing on the nexus, but the ultimate goal is to get plasma-active working
[16:58] <AbortD> i would have honestly  tried a different distro
[16:59] <Kottizen> AbortD: I haven't got a pen now, but even without a pen it's really fast and smooth! a little bit tricky to click on small buttons, but with the onscreen keyboard the overall grade would be 8/10, given the odd environment
[16:59] <AbortD> try fooling with the resolution i bet youll get better results :P
[17:00] <AbortD> im sure there is a way to adjust certain icons
[17:00] <Kottizen> AbortD: ah, good idea, I'll try that :) btw ubuntu/unity on the same tablet is a lot more difficult to use, and it lags more too
[17:00] <Kottizen> yeah there is (in KDE you can change everything *:)*)
[17:00] <AbortD> yea i hear that the "unity" system sucks more ram and cpu
[17:01] <Kottizen> I think so
[17:02] <AbortD> i think someone was saying the went with something like kde/debian on a raspberry pi
[17:02] <AbortD> rasp pi is only 700 mhz 512 ram too
[17:03] <Kottizen> Debian works fine on a pi, but it gets laggy if you open more than two browsers
[17:03] <Kottizen> gnome 2
[17:03] <paster> http://pastebin.com/WVqZtUpA AbortD
[17:03] <Kottizen> AbortD: paster is me, there's the report from startactive as root
[17:04] <Kottizen> uh, seems like it removed the line breaks...
[17:07] <AbortD> ya
[17:07] <AbortD> no problem though
[17:07] <paster> http://pastebin.com/MHkpccCT
[17:07] <paster> there we go!
[17:07] <Kottizen> AbortD: if you find that more readable
[17:10] <AbortD> do you see your error codes?
[17:11] <AbortD> line 83 check tha xml file to see if it exxists
[17:12] <AbortD> that*
[17:13] <Kottizen> AbortD: one moment please, the touch became unusable when I changed screen orientation from "Left" to "None"
[17:13] <AbortD> lol yer good
[17:13] <Kottizen> I'll "Reboot computer" ;D
[17:31] <sophos> hi2LL
[17:32] <sophos> ANYBODY HERE&
[17:32] <Peace-> sophos: ?
[17:33] <sophos> hi pleasse tell me how i can add skype to KDE IM?
[17:34] <Peace-> sophos: mmm
[17:34] <Peace-> wait a moment
[17:36] <Xd1358> Hello, I have this weird problem: all sound randomly stopped working after a reboot. It still works just fine on the Windows 7 partition though
[17:36] <Peace-> sophos: http://userbase.kde.org/Telepathy#5._How_do_I_add_a_Skype_Account
[17:37] <Peace-> Xd1358: mmm it could be a driver bug or an application that blocks your audio card
[17:37] <Peace-> Xd1358: 1 lsof | grep pcm   should give you some ideas
[17:38] <Peace-> Xd1358: and you will get the pid of the applications that are using your audio card
[17:38] <Peace-> Xd1358: so getting the pid you can terminate them
[17:38] <Peace-> Xd1358: with :         kill -9  pid
[17:38] <Peace-> pid is a number
[17:39] <Peace-> Xd1358: for example i got from lsof | grep pcm this :    QInotifyF  2763  2765        sem  mem       REG        8,6     17744    309570 /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/liblpcm_plugin.so
[17:39] <Peace-> Xd1358: so i want terminate this application
[17:39] <Xd1358> Yeah, there's a huge bunch of processes here
[17:39] <Xd1358> 15+
[17:39] <Peace-> Xd1358: kill -9 2763
[17:40] <AbortD> Kottizen: whats the word big bird
[17:40] <Peace-> Xd1358: you can try terminating these application then... but ... this could be dangerous .. i mean you could kill some weird process
[17:40] <Peace-> Xd1358: look carefully what you are going to kill
[17:41] <Peace-> Xd1358: if with this method you can't solve your problem i guess you should report a bug
[17:41] <Peace-> Xd1358: another idea before to write a bug report
[17:41] <Peace-> Xd1358: sudo pkill -9 pulseaudio
[17:41] <Xd1358> fwiw, here's a list of them processes
[17:41] <Xd1358> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BuXdhf68
[17:42] <Xd1358> sudo pkill -9 pulseaudio didn't fix it
[17:43] <Peace-> Xd1358: have you chromium opened ?
[17:43] <Xd1358> Nope, only firefox
[17:43] <Peace-> mmm in that list it seems chromium is actually using your card
[17:43] <Peace-> Xd1358: Chrome_Ch 2060 2061       ecks  mem       REG        8,5     22148  9178927 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[17:44] <Xd1358> so kill that one?
[17:44] <Xd1358> let me try
[17:44] <Peace-> kill it
[17:44] <Peace-> try even this                           sudo alsa force-reload
[17:45] <Xd1358> still nothing :/
[17:47] <Peace-> Xd1358: mmm for me is a bug
[17:47] <Peace-> Xd1358: you could try to remove pulseaudio too
[17:48] <Peace-> Xd1358: are you there ?
[17:48] <Kottizen> AbortD: the parent directory (keyboard) exists but is empty
[17:48] <Xd1358> yes; remove pulseaudio altogether?
[17:48] <Peace-> Xd1358: you can try this :  sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio-utils pulseaudio         # then reboot
[17:48] <AbortD> Kottizen: thats your problem then you're missing that xml
[17:48] <Peace-> Xd1358: but i would report a bug for this stuff
[17:48] <AbortD> maybe try a reinstall?
[17:49] <Peace-> Xd1358: i mean it should work and stop
[17:49] <Kottizen> AbortD: what should I reinstall?
[17:50] <AbortD> sec
[17:50] <Peace-> Xd1358: if you want report a bug just type this in your terminal :          ubuntu-bug
[17:50] <Kottizen> AbortD: it exists on my desktop computer running Kubuntu 12.10
[17:50] <Kottizen> AbortD: with the contents of http://paste.ubuntu.com/1455238
[17:50] <AbortD> you could try simply replacing it Kottizen
[17:50] <Xd1358> Peace-, alright, thanks, I will try removing pulseaudio
[17:51] <Peace-> Xd1358: good luck man
[17:51] <Kottizen> AbortD: I'll do that, this will be interesting!
[17:51] <AbortD> Kottizen: sure will :P
[17:51]  * Peace- exiting bye bye
[17:53] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh maybe it's because I've never logged on as root before, via kdm
[17:53] <Kottizen> AbortD: let me try that before creating the file
[18:03] <AbortD> lol k
[18:03] <AbortD> \delivery guy here brb Kottizen
[18:13] <Kottizen> oh fml... now I've got kdm up and running, but there's no virtual keyboard available there x.x
[18:19] <Kottizen> dead end, gonna flash it again
[18:22] <AbortD> Kottizen: you still there?
[18:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: yep
[18:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: now fastboot can't find the device x.x
[18:27] <AbortD> hm
[18:27] <AbortD> thats odd
[18:27] <AbortD> sec
[18:29] <AbortD> isnt fastboot for android?
[18:30] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh maybe that's why it doesn't recognize it
[18:30] <AbortD> what are you using fastboot for?
[18:31] <Kottizen> AbortD: I'm not sure :P I'll try just to start with ubuntu-nexus7-installer
[18:31] <AbortD> are you dual booting android and ubuntu?
[18:32] <Kottizen> AbortD: no, I think I removed Android
[18:33] <AbortD> how did you pull that one off?
[18:33] <Kottizen> AbortD: (it doesn't matter really - right now I only want to reinstall Ubuntu so that I get lightdm back)
[18:33] <Kottizen> via fastboot I think
[18:33] <Kottizen> AbortD: I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[18:35] <AbortD> now you have me confused i thought you were in ubuntu the whole time
[18:36] <Kottizen> AbortD: I need Ubuntu on my laptop to install Ubuntu on the Nexus 7
[18:36] <Kottizen> AbortD: so I started it off a live USB stick
[18:37] <Kottizen> AbortD: ok, now it's running the installation script/application (ubuntu-nexus7-installer) that'll download the necessary files and flash (or whatever it's called) the Nexus 7 with Ubuntu
[18:37] <AbortD> Kottizen: i just hope I have been helping haha
[18:38] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh yes you have - thank you :)
[18:42] <AbortD> Kottizen: ill be back in a few its shower time
[18:43] <Kottizen> okay cya
[18:57] <mr-rich> HOLY CO
[18:57] <mr-rich> HOLY COW! ... kubuntu 12.04 doesn't have ddate!
[19:07] <AbortD> how do i change the colors of my task manager bar?
[19:20] <AbortD> Kottizen: everything going ok?
[19:21] <Kottizen> AbortD: yeah, it's still flashing
[19:23] <AbortD> damn you know how to change the colors of the task manager panel?
[19:25] <Kottizen> AbortD: not without changing theme
[19:25] <Kottizen> AbortD: or do you mean the text colours?
[19:25] <AbortD> Kottizen: there is a nice virtual keyboard in kde
[19:25] <AbortD> text colors
[19:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: hmm, I know I've done it before but I can't find how
[19:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: yeah I used that virtual keyboard, but it doesn't come up when I start kdm
[19:27] <AbortD> Same :P
[19:28] <AbortD> hm im sure you could make a script that makes it open when your in a active text field
[20:57] <mime_1111> hello ppl, i have a built in speakers that change volums correctly with my volue wheel, the problem is that even lowering all, the mini woofer stays loud, without effect, is any way to merge both channels in a way that both can be lowered? thank u all
[21:10] <brun0> hi all.. anybody can tell me how can i change the cursor pointer in Kubuntu ?
[21:10] <brun0> i already had look at System Settings
[21:11] <brun0> but i could not identify where can i do it
[21:11] <yofel> brun0: system settings -> workspace appearance
[21:12] <brun0> yofel, ooh great, tks a lot
[23:34] <kaddi> hi guys :) I was wondering if there is a way to know what packages you no longer use or stuff I can safely uninstall witohut missing it
[23:47] <OerHeks> kaddi sudo apt-get autoremove >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28132/removal-of-unused-dependencies-using-autoremove
[23:48] <kaddi> yeah, i've already doen that. but that only removest the packages that have no dependencies. I'm really more looking for something that'll tell me "you installed this in 2008 and didn't use it since. remove it"
[23:49] <kaddi> i want to upgrade to 12.10, but i only have 2GB of space left, so I need to make a bit of room so it can download the packages
[23:53] <OerHeks> i do not know a way to tell the usage of programs on commandline, installation date can be retrieved tru muon history


 Hello Testers! I wanted to just thank all of you for the work you do, both during Testing Week and during the rest of the cycle! And I wanted to especially thank @franksmcb and @guiverc for stepping up to coordinate testing week for Impish Indri!
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> @madhens thank you for your feedback, we will pass your special thanks!
 I'm going to send out a short survey today or tomorrow so the community team can find out how to support you better in future testing! And if you tested for Impish but for some reason aren't on this list (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers) please let me know!
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> @madhens: i recall last release in QA here was a big crowdy succes for sure, creating a bridge between users, testers & devs to improve/solve the bugs
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> maybe its a good idea to put the QA testing iso's link in this topic?
 That would be a good idea for whoever owns this group!
 Great idea - yes (re @ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <lotuspsychje> maybe its a good idea to put the QA testing iso's link in this topic?)
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> cool, would that be the same link as in #ubuntu-next? Testing: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/424/builds


[08:47] <caribou> Hello everyone, before filing a bug on this, I'd like your opinion : when setting *disable_root: false*, shouldn't *disable_root_opts
[08:47] <caribou> be disabled as well ?
[08:48] <caribou> as if one wants root login enabled, then disable_root_opts should not fill /root/.ssh/authorized_keys with blocking options
[08:49] <caribou> I'd be happy to submit a patch for this
[09:35] <meena> caribou: generally, disable_root disables password login for root, not the entire account. that means that you deffo want ssh keys
[09:43] <caribou> ah, right fine then
[09:44] <caribou> thanks for the precision
[13:35] <Odd_Bloke> caribou: There's actually a recently-filed bug for that, let me see if I can find it.
[13:36] <Odd_Bloke> caribou: Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1871879 look like what you're asking for?
[13:36] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, no, I think that's actually the opposite of what you're asking, my mistake.
[13:37] <Odd_Bloke> (It's too early for me to process the double negative of "disable_root: false". ;)
[13:38] <Odd_Bloke> So https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#authorized-keys is the documentation we have for the option, and it's not particularly clear IMO.
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> caribou: And, actually, reading the code, I believe that `disable_root: false` should lead to `disable_root_opts` being ignored.
[13:40] <caribou> @Odd_Bloke actually, with meena's precision, I don't even need to use disable_root
[13:41] <caribou> yeah, that's what I meant, just move the opt inside the 'if'
[13:41] <caribou> but if disable_root is only for disabling pwd login, then it may still be usefull to have that entry in authorized_keys
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> caribou: I've just set up a cloud-config with an `authorized_keys:` section and `disable_root: false` and it works as I would expect (disable_root_opts is not applied).  If that isn't what you're seeing, could you file a bug please?
[13:45] <caribou> sure, will check htat
[13:45] <caribou> thanks for looking it up
[17:29] <punkgeek> how can i import a shell script to vm by cloud init?
[17:30] <Odd_Bloke> punkgeek: Could you explain what you mean by that?  If you want cloud-init to execute a shell script, you can either specify the script as your entire user-data (with an appropriate shebang) or use the runcmd cloud-config option: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#runcmd.  If you want to write a shell script, then you probably want to take a look at
[17:30] <Odd_Bloke> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#write-files.
[17:30] <Odd_Bloke> (If you want something else, let us know. :)
[17:32] <punkgeek> Thank you that was what i want
[17:33] <Odd_Bloke> Great! :)
[20:33] <blackboxsw> at long last paride https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/231#pullrequestreview-397636926
[20:36] <blackboxsw> Goneri thanks for the review updates on your PRs, grabbing that today and hopefully we can close out there
[20:42] <Goneri> Yeah!


[03:17] <adamant1988> Hello all :)
[04:20] <hybrid> hi adamant1988
[04:20] <hybrid> an hour later :p
[04:21] <adamant1988> hi hybrid lol
[06:48] <adamant1988> so... how's everyone?
[06:49] <nixternal> about as good as one can get i guess
[06:53] <adamant1988> that works...
[06:53] <adamant1988> nixternal I'm working on a project to push linux in the school and in the community
[06:53] <adamant1988> do you think Id' be best to use K/ubuntu or Xandros?
[06:53] <nixternal> sweet
[06:54] <nixternal> i have been working with my church on pushing Edubuntu and hopefully setting up a lab for kids at the church
[06:54] <adamant1988> yeah this is an economically depressed area...
[06:54] <adamant1988> What I *want* to do is push ubuntu, but I feel that there's a better chance of success if the experience is made as 'friendly' as possible
[06:57] <nixternal> exact same thing here..what a coincidence
[06:58] <nixternal> we just did a setup with 40 pc's for 2 underpriviledged areas in chicago with 1/2 Edubuntu and 1/2 Windows XP actually provided by Bill & Melinda Gates
[06:59] <nixternal> however, it was just Windows XP, and there is no money for software...however the Edubuntu machines seem to be the kids favorites
[07:00] <adamant1988> yeah
[07:01] <adamant1988> well, xandros is cheep and supported is the thing
[07:01] <adamant1988> and there's documentation
[07:01] <nixternal> yup
[07:02] <adamant1988> so idk...
[09:45] <adamant1988> hello all
[09:46] <klepas> moin
[09:47] <mvirkkil> hi
[09:58] <hybrid> holas
[02:01] <PlHL> Hi People
[02:01] <KenSentMe> Hi there
[02:01] <`6og> hey :)
[02:02] <PlHL> My ten CD's just arrived from shipit this morning - nice
[02:03] <`6og> :D
[02:03] <PlHL> I was wondering: Those stickers that followed... Is it possible to order them somewhere without the CD's? And if not, shouldn't that be something for the marketing team to make sure of+
[02:04] <mindspin> I did not get any stickers
[02:05] <PlHL> Perhaps it's something new? Or just a mistake..:P'
[02:05] <`6og> no, some people get them
[02:05] <mindspin> I heard that kubuntu stickers are also being sent out
[02:06] <`6og> hm. i didnt get any :|
[02:10] <bimberi> my package had ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu - 12 stickers, all ubuntu
[02:10] <klepas> ditto
[02:11] <mindspin> my package included no stickers at all
[02:13] <gnomefreak> mine was same as bimberi
[02:13] <gnomefreak> none of the cds will install but the stickers are cool
[02:13] <mindspin> hehe
[02:14] <bimberi> gnomefreak: :((
[02:14] <`6og> gnomefreak: :(* that's sus
[02:14] <mindspin> I'd like to have some posters for my window, because about 50000 people are passing by over the year...
[02:14] <gnomefreak> yep but seems most people are running into that
[02:15] <gnomefreak> bimberi: sad part it happens are the partitioner
[02:15] <gnomefreak> killing your drive testing them sucks
[02:15] <`6og> the partitioner was a bugbear from the start... it's caused quite some issues
[02:16] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:16] <mindspin> i failed in upgrading, wiped away my partitions with live cd and finally took alternate cd to reinstall
[02:16] <mindspin> maybe I should test the shipit cds before giving them away ;-)
[02:17] <`6og> not much you can do - if it's buggy it's bugy
[02:17] <mindspin> if they are buggy, I#ll kick it away...
[02:18] <`6og> well it's all or none ;) they don't have special bugs per cd
[02:18] <mindspin> or add a selfburned alternate cd to each live cd
[02:18] <bimberi> gnomefreak: ah, hm, i'll leave it till i'm back at work then (got an old pc there that i just do installs on)
[02:19] <mindspin> if that is true, its a waste of resources in my eyes
[02:19] <`6og> i havent had issues, but i just wipe drive -> install
[02:19] <bimberi> mindspin: yes, i'm keeping breezy sleeves for that purpose too
[05:22] <mindspin> matthewrevell: are you alive?
[05:33] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Sorry, yes, I'm here, and alive :)
[05:34] <klepas> moinmoin
[05:34] <matthewrevell> yo
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[05:37] <mindspin> I'd like to add a page/part to the media-team wiki
[05:42] <nixternal> The Ubuntu Marketing Team is ran by the community. We share a common goal among the rest of the Ubuntu community, and that is to squash Bug #1. In order to reach this goal, the Ubuntu Marketing Team will collaborate on various levels in a grassroots SpreadUbuntu marketing campaign.
[05:42] <nixternal> that is an intro for the upcoming MT wiki page
[05:42] <nixternal> give me some ideas please
[05:42] <nixternal> that is a draft...input needed ;)
[05:42] <mdke> is ran?
[05:42] <nixternal> hiya mdke
[05:42] <mdke> hi
[05:43] <nixternal> uh oh
[05:43] <nixternal> haha
[05:43] <nixternal> i just typed that quick to give an idea
[05:43] <mdke> i thought something similar was there already
[05:43] <mindspin> the second sentence sounds very "formal" to me
[05:43] <nixternal> mdke: from now on smack me with the grammer fish..it doesn't hurt as bad, but makes ya stink ;)
[05:44] <mdke> ok
[05:45] <nixternal> there is a MT purpose now, but it is big and vague..this is really just a 2 or 3 line intro to the marketing team
[05:45] <nixternal> that is what i am really looking for
[05:45] <nixternal> maybe the mailing list will be the best place for this
[05:45] <mindspin> yup
[05:46] <mindspin> it needs some time to play around with text..
[05:46] <nixternal> exactly
[05:46] <nixternal> i will do that
[05:46] <nixternal> i will add a couple of things in there for feedback
[05:46] <mindspin> matthewrevell: I'd like to add a page/part to the media-team wiki
[05:47] <mindspin> to expose my idea of "give ubuntu to journalists and let them write about" idea
[05:48] <mindspin> ah
[05:49] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Sounds good to me :)
[05:49] <mdke> I thought that media team was going to be closed?
[05:49] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I tried to put up a vague-ish but fairly concise intro to the MT on the wiki, but Jendatook a pretty big dislike to it :(
[05:49] <matthewrevell> mdke: Media project, within the marketing team.
[05:50] <mindspin> how do i add a new (sub)page ? I think it would be better to give sideprojects extra pages
[05:50] <mdke> matthewrevell: right, I read team
[05:50] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I think we need to bash out an idea of what we're about, on the ML, before we try to sum it up
[05:50] <nixternal> well...he tasked me with it and gave me full run, if you have comments or suggestions on how a design should be, then you can add it to the email im working on...if he dislikes it and we all like it, well this being a communtiy, guess who wins ;)
[05:50] <matthewrevell> mdke: Sorry, I'm in the habit of saying "team" as "media project" sounds like some kinda video shoot :)
[05:50] <mindspin> yup
[05:51] <mindspin> media branch of the marketing team ;-)
[05:51] <mdke> matthewrevell: not from you, mindspin said "the media-team wiki"
[05:51] <mdke> anyway, i get it now
[05:51] <matthewrevell> nixternal: As you say, it's a community, so I think it's best we bash it out on the list. No offence to Jenda, but I'm not sure he's in a position to task people with things :)
[05:52] <matthewrevell> In that we're going for a flat team, where we're all equals etc
[05:52] <mindspin> indeed
[05:52] <matthewrevell> nixternal: My suggestion would be that you add to the thread on the ML
[05:53] <nixternal> i will put ideas in the list and ask for ideas back then
[05:53] <matthewrevell> Cool. The team has enough momentum now, I believe, that we can discuss things on the list, then make decisions, rather than act unilaterally.
[05:53] <matthewrevell> I think unilateral action works best when there are only a couple of people doing anything.
[05:54] <mindspin> atm its called press team ..... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam
[05:54] <matthewrevell> Now we're starting to function more like a proper team.
[05:54] <matthewrevell> Which rocks
[05:54] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah, sorry, I need to whack a redirect in there.
[05:54] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Short on time at the mo :(
[05:55] <mindspin> we need a "workspace" anyway, to collect the results of mailinglist discussions
[05:56] <matthewrevell> klepas: ping
[05:56] <matthewrevell> mindspin: What do you have in mind? A weekly summary on the wiki?
[05:56] <mindspin> no but if a discussion is finished, and we have results, they should be documented somewhere
[05:57] <matthewrevell> mindspin: sounds good to me
[05:57] <mindspin> launchpad should do it but I'm unsure how to manage it
[05:58] <matthewrevell> I'm not particularly familiar with LP :(
[05:58] <mindspin> so am I
[05:59] <matthewrevell> Big decisions would get discussed on the ML, then voted on in irc meetings, then we could probably decide smaller stuff on the ML. A wiki page would do for now, while we look into the LP way of doing it
[05:59] <mindspin> but there was the idea of handling sub-projects as bugs, or specifications, but honestly I didn't understand it at all
[05:59] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Ah yeah.
[06:00] <matthewrevell> mindspin: It's something I need to look into, so I understand it. I'm sure it's all pretty simple, but time is short for me atm.
[06:00] <mindspin> yup
[06:01] <mindspin> so I 'll put my "give ubuntu ..." idea on the agenda for the next meeting
[06:01] <ormiret> mindspin: specs in LP are just a way of tracking things - the actual spec goes in the wiki as I understand it
[06:01] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah, I'll reply to your mail in the ML. Perhaps you could post a link in the ML to the discussion where you asked silbs abou tit
[06:02] <ormiret> so feel free to ignore LP atm
[06:02] <matthewrevell> s/tit/it
[06:02] <mindspin> thanks ormiret
[06:02] <mindspin> matthewrevell: you mean the irc log?
[06:03] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah
[06:03] <mindspin> ok
[06:03] <matthewrevell> klepas: Your SVG for Ubuntu Magazine: should it be just a small portion of a page?
[06:05] <ormiret> matthewrevell: I got more when I opened in sodipodi
[06:05] <adamant1988> hello all
[06:06] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Howdy
[06:06] <adamant1988> how's everyone today?
[06:06] <matthewrevell> ormiret: I'm using Eye of Gnome.
[06:06] <matthewrevell> ormiret: Running from a live CD, due to dead computer, so can't install Inkscape.
[06:06] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Not bad thanks, you?
[06:09] <adamant1988> I'm working on my project lol.
[06:09] <adamant1988> I'm still trying to decide between ubuntu and xandros for my community project
[06:11] <matthewrevell> Ubuntu has the benefit of being free in both senses and is more regularly updated, AFAIK.
[06:11] <ormiret> matthewrevell: png of the whole thing : http://ormiret.com/ubuntumagazine.png
[06:13] <matthewrevell> ormiret: Nice, thanks
[06:15] <adamant1988> matthewrevell, my only thing is that crossover comes standard in xandros (which is good for people in my community)
[06:17] <adamant1988> I prefer ubuntu though :)
[06:17] <nixternal> one thing if i could suggest guys, just for ease of search/location...is put all your marketing wiki pages containing ideas and what not under MarketingTeam/
[06:18] <nixternal> this way here, it will be easy to do an auto link generation for navigation later on
[06:18] <adamant1988> when are there going to be forums available for the marketing team (again, I guess?)
[06:18] <mindspin> never afaik
[06:18] <nixternal> ubuntuforums.com said they would give us space if needed
[06:19] <ormiret> adamant1988: it was decided at the meeting we could live without them
[06:19] <nixternal> however, do we really need forums with the use of the mailing list?
[06:19] <mindspin> forums are for discusions and the mailinglist too so I think we deceided at last meeting
[06:19] <nixternal> actually...i think the forums would be good...this way here people not on the list or scouring the wiki would get introduced to our concept
[06:20] <adamant1988> I'm ashamed and all, but I don't know how to participate in the mailing list.
[06:20] <mindspin> hehe
[06:20] <nixternal> adamant1988: aren't you on the launchpad?
[06:20] <adamant1988> I get the volumes but I don't know how to reply to the individual 'posts'.
[06:20] <adamant1988> Yeah.
[06:20] <nixternal> doesn't that put you on the list?
[06:20] <nixternal> you reply to the list, not to the individual
[06:20] <mindspin> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[06:20] <adamant1988> so reply to the volume?
[06:21] <nixternal> you don't get each one individually..you get a digest
[06:21] <nixternal> go to the link mindspin posted and change the "receive as digest" to "NO"
[06:21] <nixternal> then you will get individual emails to work with
[06:22] <adamant1988> yay, lol.
[06:22] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Then use your mailing software to automatically pop the mailing list emails into a special foler
[06:22] <adamant1988> I was wondering how to work that out.
[06:22] <matthewrevell> s/foler/folder
[06:22] <matthewrevell> That way you don't get your inbox overloaded
[06:22] <adamant1988> yeah I was doing that anyway
[06:22] <matthewrevell> cool
[06:22] <nixternal> whoa..i decided to take a look at my filters...104 filters and counting
[06:22] <nixternal> its a wonder how kmail continues to function
[06:23] <klepas> matthewrevell: pong
[06:24] <adamant1988> I use gmail lol
[06:24] <adamant1988> I want a good mail account that I can use through a program like kmail or evolution
[06:24] <matthewrevell> klepas: Sorry, was just trying to get a full version of the ubuntu mag png. Ormiret sorted me
[06:24] <matthewrevell> Looks great.
[06:24] <matthewrevell> Will post to list
[06:24] <klepas> cool
[06:25] <klepas> i was just messing around - it's nothing concrete - but i'd be happy to polish up anything you folks want
[06:26] <mindspin> nixternal: another kubuntian ;-)
[06:26] <nixternal> oh yes
[06:27] <nixternal> KDE is my life
[06:27] <nixternal> ;)
[06:27] <nixternal> i have been with KDE since 1.0
[06:27] <adamant1988> lol I feel like a traitor using kubuntu -_-
[06:27] <mindspin> me too
[06:27] <nixternal> i have used others and like them just as well, but KDE is my style
[06:27] <mindspin> nope
[06:27] <mindspin> that was for adamant1988
[06:27] <nixternal> haha
[06:27] <adamant1988> lol
[06:28] <adamant1988> Why wasn't KDE just offered as an option at install like with suse?
[06:28] <ormiret> adamant1988: that would take more than one cd
[06:28] <mindspin> its kinda "historical" imh
[06:28] <mindspin> o
[06:29] <mindspin> and indeed the space issue
[06:29] <adamant1988> ok the space thing I understand.
[06:30] <adamant1988> So... I got an idea...
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, no dvds
[06:30] <adamant1988> and I don't know if this is something you guys might be interested in doing...
[06:31] <adamant1988> But what about a site (or section of one) dedicated to Ubuntu projects around the world or in specific areas... Like community projects, etc.
[06:32] <adamant1988> If the smaller projects get some press from the ubuntu site  there would be more popping up, a sort of "Hey, I can do that" thing.
[06:32] <ormiret> adamant1988: deffineitely something we should be dcumenting /helping (with the LoCo teams)
[06:33] <ormiret> if you write something about what youa re doing that ought to get the ball rolling
[06:34] <adamant1988> Case in point: I'm working on a project for my school system and then my town.  I've worked out a deal with system76 for a free koala mini for my school to use.  I'm producing documentation, pamphlets, studies, research papers, etc. to show my (economically strapped) town that there is a solution to Windows.
[06:34] <mindspin> where do you live adamant1988?
[06:34] <adamant1988> Elkins, WV.
[06:35] <mindspin>  WV =west virginia ?
[06:35] <adamant1988> Yes.
[06:35] <mindspin> ic
[06:35] <adamant1988> There's even talk of setting up a linux demo center and a local linux group to run it.
[06:35] <ormiret> the docs/ pamphlets are the kind of thing that SU should have
[06:36] <ormiret> save the next person to try this having to write them from scratch
[06:36] <adamant1988> and I've already collected 6 older PCs to run light versions of linux on.
[06:36] <adamant1988> I can provide them, that's not a big deal.
[06:37] <mindspin> you should consider using xubuntu on them
[06:37] <adamant1988> I'm going to talk to the local printing store about printing my pamphlets etc.
[06:37] <adamant1988> and the local computer store about getting more up to date hardware for my linux system.
[06:38] <adamant1988> for the demo I mean
[06:38] <adamant1988> point is, I know I'm not the only one with such a project going on.  and good press helps these projects and helps to get more people starting them or getting involved.
[06:39] <mindspin> why should press write aboute it ?
[06:40] <mindspin> v
[06:40] <ormiret> adamant1988: if you write up what you are doing  it can probably get on the fridge or in UWN so you can inspire others to follow
[06:40] <adamant1988> local press is interested in mine.  But I think that having an ubuntu site that helps to make people aware of these projects (like a little headline site or such) will generate more and more projects
[06:40] <adamant1988> more projects based on ubuntu is, of course, good advertising for ubuntu.
[06:41] <ormiret> adn it is exactly the kind of thing to go in SU when we get it running
[06:41] <mindspin> it is
[06:41] <mindspin> call it case studies, call it testimonials, call it examples it will be good
[06:42] <adamant1988> I mean there's no better advertising than advertising tailor-made to the community it's being done in, right? It saves us some work (the marketing team) and it helps push the 'community' nature of ubuntu
[06:44] <adamant1988> I'll even help manage it myself if need be.
[06:46] <ormiret> adamant1988: a great start would be putting up a wikipage detailing what you're doing - then you or others can write articles from that for different places
[06:46] <adamant1988> Ok, I haven't edited the wiki much, or ever.
[06:46] <adamant1988> Do I put this in the marketing team wiki or what?
[06:47] <adamant1988> oh wait
[06:47] <adamant1988> not the ubuntu wiki, I'm confused...
[06:47] <ormiret> probably something off MarketingTeam/ would be a good bet
[06:48] <mindspin> ormiret how do I add asupbage to the MarketingTeam wiki?
[06:48] <mindspin> a sub-page
[06:49] <ormiret> goto wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/[name of page goes here]  and you get a page with a link to create a new page with that name
[06:49] <mindspin> ah very handy
[06:50] <mindspin> I just didn't want to add things up at the bottom of the site
[06:52] <ormiret> anything you think should be int he wiki put it in - that's what its for :)
[06:53] <ormiret> don't worry overly much about cluttering it up, too much content is much better than too little
[06:53] <adamant1988> so I should just add a sub page as well?
[06:53] <mindspin> I#m used to cms but not to wiki, it was a pain for me when I first edited a wikipage ;-)
[06:55] <ormiret> adamant1988: yes, it will go to SU eventually but you can put it in the wiki now
[06:55] <adamant1988> ok... what exactly is spreadubuntu?
[06:56] <ormiret> going to be a site about helping people to do things to spread the word about ubuntu (pretty much exactly what you were talking about ;) )
[06:57] <adamant1988> haha, cool. :)
[06:57] <mindspin> that is a discusion in progress imho, newz2000 had a nice post to the list about it
[06:57] <newz2000> I'm here, happy to provide any additional info if you'd like
[06:58] <mindspin> I replied to it and think we have to discuss it further
[06:59] <mindspin> we= marketing team, not you and me ;-)
[07:00] <newz2000> I just wanted to toss it out there for food for thought. The team can do whatever it thinks is best and I'm happy to help however I can.
[07:01] <newz2000> I've got planned a wiki upgrade to go to 1.5 of Moin, which actually makes things a lot easier
[07:01] <newz2000> I don't have a timeline yet, but the wiki upgrade might make it more useful for you
[07:01] <mindspin> newz2000: I 'll hope there will be some more replies to your post
[07:02] <newz2000> I hope that I didn't sound to pushy. ;-) I just wanted to toss out my ideas.
[07:03] <mindspin> no you are absolutely right (I agree with about 75% of your post ;-)
[07:03] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup
[07:03] <nixternal> ^^ that is the mock up to work from there
[07:04] <nixternal> so that email everyone received, will be implemented into this mockup, voted upon, and issued one of these days ;)
[07:05] <newz2000> have you seen some sites that do an especially good job of communicationg a message similar to what you hope to communicate?
[07:05] <mindspin> not yet, beside the ubuntu main page....
[07:06] <mindspin> I didn't see spreadfirefox at all before
[07:07] <newz2000> I'm redoing the bzr website and mark suggested www.rubyonrails.org as inspiration
[07:07] <newz2000> It does a great job of keeping a narrow focus and communicating a simple message.
[07:07] <newz2000> Maybe there's something there you could use
[07:07] <newz2000> Also, I've always thought the mozilla website was good as well.
[07:09] <adamant1988> Spread Ubuntu is a big project 0_0.
[07:09] <adamant1988> is that interactive desktop looking likely at all?
[07:09] <mindspin> rubyonrails does not relly look good to me...
[07:10] <mindspin> narrow focus and simplicity lokks slightly different for me...
[07:11] <mindspin> but those are the keywords for me
[07:12] <newz2000> I'd start making a list of sites and find things you like and dislike about them. Then when you want to make a design you'll know what you want.
[07:12] <mindspin> and the idea of building acommunity of spreaders sounds smart
[07:12] <adamant1988> I have an idea for a logo for it
[07:13] <adamant1988> :) I'm going to pan it out really quick
[07:13] <nixternal> newz2000: you know, i have been looking over the fedora core projects wiki, as they have a pretty decent setup for inspiration
[07:13] <newz2000> Say, "I like this site's nav bar because ___" or "I don't like the rails site because ___"
[07:13] <mindspin> plus nice buttons for the websites, signatures, caps, shirts stickers and posters would be cool
[07:13] <nixternal> i tend to look at microsoft too ;(
[07:13] <newz2000> nixternal: what page are you looking at?
[07:13] <nixternal> newz2000: all of them
[07:13] <nixternal> lol
[07:13] <newz2000> microsoft and redhat both have good sites for inspiration, but I think they might be built for a wider focus
[07:13] <nixternal> yup
[07:13] <newz2000> nixternal: do you have a link?
[07:14] <nixternal> i use them and SuSe also
[07:14] <newz2000> for fc wiki
[07:14] <nixternal> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki
[07:14] <newz2000> what do you like?
[07:16] <newz2000> they use moin as well
[07:17] <mindspin> ;-)
[07:17] <nixternal> their layouts are clean and precise
[07:17] <nixternal> nite klepas_Zzz
[07:18] <mindspin> I like mine.... http://www.mindspin-cms-hosting.de/
[07:18] <nixternal> nice
[07:19] <nixternal> to bad i have a hard enough time reading english let alone another language ;)
[07:19] <mindspin> hehe
[07:19] <newz2000> I'd start making a list on the wiki of pages that you like and don't like.
[07:19] <newz2000> But be specific.
[07:20] <newz2000> I'm sure that between the marketing team, the art team and others in the community we can come up with a great looking design for this project.
[07:20] <mindspin> I would prefer a site which has the cd of the ubuntu main page, to be honest
[07:20] <newz2000> I know there are several people itching to help out
[07:20] <nixternal> are we referring to the Spread Ubuntu project or just our wiki page?
[07:21] <mindspin> I guess its the SU project
[07:21] <nixternal> ahh
[07:21] <mindspin> I played around with the design of the ubuntu page, but I just started...
[07:22] <nixternal> with SU i can help with content, but i stink with design ;)
[07:22] <nixternal> like newz2000 said, art team and others itching, as they would be a heck of lot more usefull then i would be ;)
[07:22] <mindspin> I can help with html and css but not with graphics
[07:23] <newz2000> I wasn't precluding you two from helping, but there is an ubelievable amount and variety of tallent available just itching to help
[07:23] <mindspin> yup
[07:23] <newz2000> So mindspin can do css, someone else can do art, someone else can direct
[07:23] <nixternal> you know what..i could be a heck of a marketer right now for the gimp project...as i am horrible with graphics, but yet gimp is so much easier to use, comes with a ton of scripts, and is free..which blows ps out of the water
[07:24] <nixternal> exactly newz2000...i think with your input and motivation too, it shoudn't be a difficult task for the team to hack it out im sure
[07:25] <nixternal> its nice to have Canonical support and very much appreciated. I believe it makes the team feel closer to the core so-to-speak
[07:25] <mindspin> no it shouldn't but its a question of decision making, do we want to create a different look for the site or not?
[07:25] <newz2000> Mindspin, are you talking about su?
[07:25] <nixternal> mindspin: my opinion, make it look like Ubuntu.com, but make it nicer ;)
[07:25] <mindspin> yup
[07:25] <nixternal> make Ubuntu.com want to change to our look ;)
[07:25] <newz2000> Sounds good
[07:25] <mindspin> that would be my opinion too
[07:26] <nixternal> although, the forums changing to the Ubuntu.com look wasn't that great of an idea ;(
[07:26] <nixternal> to me, i think they would be hard to read for the new guy
[07:26] <newz2000> I will admit the look of ubuntu.com is decided from above (mark et al)
[07:26] <newz2000> Also, the ubuntu site is schedules for a touch-up later this season
[07:26] <nixternal> time to make it edgy ;)
[07:27] <nixternal> you know what...the human colors are growing on me big time
[07:27] <mindspin> i very dislike the colors (kubuntu looks much "fresher" to me)
[07:27] <nixternal> haha
[07:27] <newz2000> ha
[07:27] <newz2000> can't make everyone happy.
[07:27] <nixternal> mindspin: i have switched away just today from the Kubuntu theme because it is to bold...human is refreshing actually
[07:28] <mindspin> maybe brown is a bit itchy for germans ;-)
[07:28] <nixternal> i was originally against the human theme for Kubuntu, but it might not be a bad idea...i mean Ubuntu in itself supports a togetherness..and all this sepearation goes against the definition i think
[07:28] <nixternal> haha mindspin
[07:30] <mindspin> togetherness does not mean uniformity for me...
[07:30] <nixternal> true
[07:31] <nixternal> very good point actually..because diversity makes a community stronger...and in that aspect, the diversity of the "flavors" of Ubuntu...i like it
[07:31] <nixternal> togetherness + diversity = Spread Ubuntu now!!!
[07:31] <newz2000> mark has explicitly said he wants kubuntu and ubuntu to be distinct
[07:32] <newz2000> There should be synergy between the designs so you know they're related (I'm interpreting his response now by the way) but colors should make the separate.
[07:32] <mindspin> in their look  I guess
[07:33] <newz2000> But the kubuntu guys have already asked for help with their website. I think there's a spec.
[07:33] <nixternal> kubuntu website needs help, no doubt
[07:33] <mindspin> so SU has to contain the look of all ubuntian flavours
[07:33] <newz2000> mindspin, maybe, maybe not
[07:34] <mindspin> I think the links to the sveral flavours will show the distinct colors
[07:34] <nixternal> i think that the colors used in Xubuntu and Ubuntu definately blend better then the ones in Kubuntu...my 2 cents of course
[07:35] <mindspin> I'll keep playing around with it and will show the result when its presenteable
[07:36] <newz2000> ok. I'm gonna break for lunch soon and need to finish up a few tasks. ping me if you need me.
[07:36] <mindspin> but keep in mind that all the graphics will be "stolen"
[07:36] <mindspin> yup, bye
[07:36] <mindspin> btw. my stomach is calling too...
[07:37] <mindspin> @now berlin
[07:37] <nixternal> hehe...mine too
[07:37] <nixternal> newz2000: where are you at if you are breaking for lunch?
[07:37] <newz2000> Des Moines Iowa, USA.
[07:37] <nixternal> it is lunch time here
[07:37] <nixternal> ahh
[07:37] <nixternal> chciago here
[07:38] <nixternal> chicago too
[07:38] <mindspin> frankfurt germany (not kentucky) here
[07:38] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:38] <mindspin> 7.30 pm here
[07:38] <nixternal> im in hanover park illinois, not hanover germany ;)
[07:38] <mindspin> haha
[07:38] <nixternal> although hanover germany is our sister city
[07:39] <mindspin> my SO was visiting chicago and milwaukee this spring
[07:39] <mindspin> and she was very impressed
[07:39] <nixternal> heh, she must of made a quick pass through to be impressed..because after a few hours you won't be impressed anymore...you will either be opressed or depressed
[07:40] <mindspin> no never
[07:40] <nixternal> i always said, if you enjoy smelling the person next to you, you will love chicago ;)
[07:40] <mindspin> she liked it especially wisconsin is very similiar to our region
[07:41] <mindspin> and partner state of hesse
[07:41] <nixternal> wisconsin can be beautiful...but milwaukee is far from that...you have the rolling hills and nice greenery in wisconsin
[07:42] <mindspin> madison was her favourite
[07:42] <mindspin> she said it was far more "european" than she thought before
[07:44] <mindspin> I got to have some food..... I will lurk in later,
[07:59] <adamant1988> I made a logo mockup for spreadubuntu...
[08:03] <_sara> can I take a look at it
[08:05] <adamant1988> sure... I don't think it's very good it's just a concept...
[08:08] <_sara> well a concept is a place to start I have some that I was sent and I want to post all of the art work in one place
[08:08] <adamant1988> http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9306/logomockup7xb.jpg =\
[08:08] <adamant1988> i'm still really new to inkscape
[08:09] <_sara> I lek the concept
[08:09] <adamant1988> Vector has never been my thing =\
[08:10] <_sara> you can always drwa it by hand and poste it
[08:10] <_sara> I find tha tsometime tracing over my hand drwaings is the best thing to do
[08:10] <adamant1988> no I mean I like doing stuff like this. http://dismalmuse.deviantart.com/
[08:11] <_sara> ohh that is a total different thing
[08:12] <adamant1988> Yeah, I know
[08:12] <adamant1988> =\
[08:12] <adamant1988> I'm good at doing wallpapers and tiny abstract graphics, but vector has always been my downfall =(
[08:12] <_sara> yeah vector is hard
[08:13] <_sara> What you don't like about the logo
[08:14] <adamant1988> what?
[08:14] <_sara> You said that you dond't think is very good
[08:15] <_sara> but I don't quiet understand what you don't like?
[08:15] <adamant1988> The globe isn't what I think it should be (not detailed enough but I couldn't find a good stock) and I feel that I didn't do well enough with the gradients, and the vector arrow is off (not all of the sides are in complete agreeance).
[08:16] <_sara> ohh, so you know what you want is just an issue of learning inkscape
[08:17] <adamant1988> I've got the idea in my head
[08:17] <adamant1988> I'd like to put the whole thing in a glass bubble.
[08:17] <adamant1988> I had another idea that involved the Ubuntu logo sprouting wings.
[08:18] <adamant1988> But I don't have near the inkscape knowledge to draw that =\
[08:18] <_sara> I like both ideas with the whole spread ubuntu concept, the spreading the wings thing would benice. I think
[08:19] <_sara> Maybe you want to post them on the mailing list so you can have more feedback
[08:19] <adamant1988> Yeah, I don't know at this point I'm just trying to be useful...
[08:19] <_sara> if you need a place to hsot them ping me and I host them. beeter thatn image shack
[08:20] <adamant1988> ok could you?
[08:20] <adamant1988> I have the svgs but imagshack won't store them
[08:20] <_sara> yeah sure jsut send me an e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Make sure that you put ubuntu marketing int he tiel and I'll host them for you
[08:21] <_sara> I think that the svg would be nice for other to play with if you don't mind that
[08:21] <adamant1988> sure, but I just did a plain svg
[08:21] <adamant1988> inkscape svgs don't like me
[08:22] <_sara> I had problems with the svgs too. I don't know if you saw the e-mail I sent with the ubuntu magazine art work but we had problems with them too
[08:22] <_sara> I ahd to make them svg too
[08:22] <adamant1988> ok just making sure it wasn't just me
[08:23] <adamant1988> _sara, it's mailing to you now.
[08:23] <_sara> yeah so any time you need hosting I can do taht . I would like to collect all art work for spread ubuntu and the magazine and put it on a place for all to see
[08:24] <adamant1988> I think I could help a little with the magazine
[08:24] <adamant1988> I haven't seen the latest layout but the original that I saw was kind of bare
[08:26] <_sara> yeah its a start, but the good thing is that I think we need to start with some parameters
[08:26] <_sara> Like a color palte and stuff. I'll send you what wha tI sent out today
[08:28] <adamant1988> ok
[08:30] <adamant1988> do you think that logo is decent enough to at least work with?
[08:32] <_sara> I like the concept and what you might need is to spiffy it up a little bit. I think that you have clear idea of what you want is and issue of execution
[08:33] <_sara> check you mail
[08:34] <adamant1988> got it :)
[08:34] <adamant1988> I'll make a post to the mailing list I with this I guess, or do you want to?
[08:39] <_sara> go ahead you can do it.
[08:39] <adamant1988> done
[08:40] <adamant1988> that file you sent me isn't opening up correctly
[08:40] <adamant1988> I'm only seeing half the page
[08:42] <_sara> you have to right click on it and save as or save target as and then open it on inkscape.
[08:42] <adamant1988> ok
[08:43] <_sara> i just realize the likn is broke too, I had problems with this the wole morning my server has being up and down intermitenly so i will fix that later. I'll fix that  sorry about the hasse
[08:44] <adamant1988> it's ok
[08:44] <adamant1988> Uhm, the colors on the magazine seem to be really soft
[08:45] <Burgwork> adamant1988, got a linky for these colours?
[08:45] <adamant1988> I have the SVG
[08:46] <adamant1988> _sara do you think we could give the magazine a little more contrast?  Everythings so soft it all kind of runs together...
[08:47] <_sara> ok I fixed the link it should be working now.
[08:48] <_sara> if you have any ideas go ahed. I just ask that you try to stay withing the color palete and if you add any color add it to the palete and send it to me. I am just trying to keep a structure. I think that you could do that by using the colors we have now
[08:49] <adamant1988> you mean the ubuntu default colors or what?
[08:51] <_sara> I mena the color on th svg I sent you. WEll i think it is a simplyfy version of the ubuntu colors
[08:52] <adamant1988> OH I see it
[08:52] <adamant1988> duh
[08:52] <adamant1988> ok, lol...
[08:52] <adamant1988> actually I think if you made the main bg just a tad darker (orange) it would all show up fine.
[08:53] <_sara> yeah I think so tto, this wasan svg made by the a member of the art team so we could get a starting point and share


[10:09] <TheAbsentOne> Ahn there is an actual channel for the juju-gui oopsie
[12:50] <rick_h> TheAbsentOne: yes, though tbh I love it more when we just use the #juju channel. I should bring up EOL'ing this one at some point
[12:52] <rick_h> TheAbsentOne: I see you had some discussion going on about a project. Feel free to ask anything you need.
[12:54] <TheAbsentOne> Yeah well I might look into the juju-gui code to hack my way for a proof of concept. The other idea is to actually create a charm itself for my needs. Basicly I want to be able to have nodes in the gui that are small entities and not per definition services or applications
[12:54] <TheAbsentOne> rick_h: but as I understand that is not the direction juju wants to go ^^
[12:54] <rick_h> So there's been some things around proxy charms in the past
[12:55] <rick_h> the idea being that it'd map juju-isms into things that might be api calls, or other things that control a non-juju operated service
[12:55] <rick_h> e.g. someone did a route53 charm at one point
[12:55] <rick_h> so that you could relate things to it and they'd get dns entries and such
[12:55] <rick_h> TheAbsentOne: but yea, the GUI is about visually representing the Juju model and so things that aren't tied into that are hard to fit in cleanly.
[12:56] <TheAbsentOne> for my dissertation specifically we want to model databases (and maybe tables) that are connected to a certain technology (existing charms) and these databases or tables are the nodes you want to connect your application with instead of the server
[12:57] <TheAbsentOne> this would solve the current restriction in wanting to deploy 2 different charms using one and the same table/database
[12:57] <TheAbsentOne> if that kinda makes sense rick_h :)
[12:58] <rick_h> TheAbsentOne: hmmm, so that "right" fix for that issue is a known todo we call "relation config"
[12:58] <rick_h> the idea being that when you relate two things you might want to set specific config on that relation.
[12:58] <rick_h> for instance relating a data input source charm to the database, and a second data processing/viewing charm to the same database
[12:58] <TheAbsentOne> is that todo documented? That might be very interesting to put in my dissertation
[12:58] <rick_h> you might then set the db name as part of the relation config passed between them
[12:59] <rick_h> I can see if there's the start of a spec for it. It might be worth a search through the mailing list for relation config
[12:59] <rick_h> it's come up as folks hit use cases over time
[12:59] <TheAbsentOne> great, thanks for that!
[13:00] <rick_h> np, have to run the little one to school but always happy to chat fun tech stuff
[13:00] <TheAbsentOne> Well I personally think that people like models and visual stuff right, but currently juju only models the services from a charm and visualise that as a node. And a lot of people would love to model "everything" in their infra ^^
[13:00] <TheAbsentOne> be safe rick_h ! :)