[09:56] <bratsche> Morning.
[10:07] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:50] <sense> good morning
[11:10] <LucidFox> kenvandine, so, how will the sponsoring process for the Liferea patch work?
[11:17] <kenvandine> LucidFox, i am going to find someone to sponsor it
[11:17] <kenvandine> it is already in the sponsor queue
[11:17] <kenvandine> didrocks, can you sponsor that?
[11:19] <kenvandine> LucidFox, ok when didrocks gets a chance, he'll sponsor it
[11:19] <kenvandine> :)
[11:19] <LucidFox> Giid!
[11:19] <LucidFox> * Good!
[11:39] <didrocks> kenvandine: did you make the review? can I just push?
[11:39] <kenvandine> yup
[14:58] <kenvandine> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540490
[14:58] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks
[14:58] <kenvandine> thank you
[14:58] <kenvandine> :)
[16:46] <C10uD> any chance to change appindicator theme path at runtime?
[16:47] <C10uD> i'm talking about python bindings, since i think it's allowed to change only in constructor
[19:13] <C10uD> it's just me or indicator-application package is borked? i can only compile it the 1st time (getting it with apt-source) and this prevents me to test properly my modifications
[19:15] <C10uD> lucid proposed, btw
[20:39] <doctormo> Has anyone seen Ian?


[15:05] <Guest13004> Because it does not have permissions to start/stop apache
[15:05] <Val_> EriC^^ no worries, I'll repeat the last
[15:05] <Val_> EriC^^: /home/ipt/strt.sh: 24: /home/ipt/strt.sh: [[: not found
[15:05] <Val_> EriC^^ if [[ -z $(pgrep -u $USER rtorrent) ]]; then
[15:05] <Guest13004> And I still have to use sudo ...
[15:06] <Guest13004> Any ideas how to get it work?
[15:06] <Val_> Fynn, When I bootcamped to Windows I sometimes had to hold the option (I think) key down to get the boot menu - maybe that will help you?
[15:06] <EriC^^> Val_: maybe it's running the script with sh
[15:07] <Val_> EriC^^: #!/bin/bash at the head of the script. Is there a way to explicitly invoke bash in the crontab?
[15:08] <EriC^^> Val_: in the crontab type bash /path/to/script
[15:08] <Val_> k, thats easy enough :D
[15:09] <Daffy> hmm
[15:09] <Daffy> could it be something with the gallium driver?
[15:10] <Daffy> kidn of terrified to switch to the proprietary driver... last time it bent my system over and boinked it.
[15:10] <artois> what's that mean?
[15:10] <artois> you had to reinstall the open source one?
[15:11] <artois> sounds like the worst possible outcome! :p
[15:11] <Val_> EriC^^: pgrep: invalid user name: rtorrent (from bash /home/ipt/strt.sh in crontab)
[15:11] <Daffy> no, it messed everything up even for the open source one.
[15:11] <Daffy> reverting back left a ton of problems.
[15:11] <EriC^^> Val_: you're adding it in crontab -e?
[15:12] <Val_> EriC^^ yes
[15:12] <EriC^^> oh
[15:12] <EriC^^> try pgrep -u rtorrent in a shell
[15:13] <EriC^^> oh nevermind
[15:13] <Val_> same message :D
[15:13] <EriC^^> Val_: modify the script
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Daffy, intel graphics ?
[15:13] <EriC^^> USER=${USER:-$1}
[15:13] <EriC^^> this line
[15:13] <EriC^^> just set it to USER=rtorrent
[15:14] <alteregoa> where can i get configure options from ubuntu packages?
[15:15] <Daffy> hmm
[15:16] <EriC^^> Val_: or put it in the rtorrent user's cron, sudo crontab -u rtorrent -e
[15:17] <EriC^^> actually don't nevermind
[15:18] <Daffy> Hmm even dmidecode -t 4 reads it back as that.
[15:18] <Daffy> max speed 1900Mhz.. current speed 1900Mhz.
[15:18] <Daffy> that's like.. the minimum speed this goes.
[15:19] <Daffy> the version and cpu info is correct though.
[15:19] <AvocetVIS> trying to create a ipv6 tunnel using hurricane electric and here's what I got >> http://pastebin.com/xjWvVwvF   - I should mention there is also a vpn server setup on this machine. and the machine itself is actually a vps
[15:20] <Guest49226> does anyone know of a way to force a drive to be say /dev/sdb or /dev/sda. I have a raid with a drive having issues, one is /dev/sda and the other is /dev/sdb but no matter which drive I pull on reboot the leftover one is now /dev/sda
[15:20] <EriC^^> Guest49226: udev rule maybe
[15:21] <Guest49226> EriC^^ is that something I can assign a /dev/sdX* to a UUID or something?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> not familiar enough anymore with amd graphics and their manydrivers and options , seems kind of hit and miss
[15:22] <Val_> Well, that's beaten me up enough for today. Thanks, EriC^^, frostschutz
[15:23] <Daffy> Yea.
[15:23] <someDude> What is a good program that works like truecrypt for Linux?  I'm looking for on-the-fly-encryption
[15:24] <mou> I love having amazon from normal installation thank you so much
[15:24] <mou> ubuntu really helps linux developpement
[15:24] <Daffy> I feel like this is probably a kernel issue.
[15:24] <k1l_> someDude: erm, truecrypt?


[12:34] <m4sk1n> hi, is anyone ever going to review my tutorials from gci? :D
[14:07] <alan_g> m4sk1n, I asked a very similar question a week ago. Still waiting on an answer. :(


[11:40] <wgrant> cjwatson: I could randomise the sequences on DB setup, but few enough tests were affected that I don't think it's going to be a huge problem.
[11:42]  * cjwatson nods
[12:26] <wgrant> cjwatson: So close.
[12:26] <wgrant> In the most obvious test, too :P
[12:28] <cjwatson> Grr.  I ran all the tests but must have been a little out of date.
[19:41] <blr> morning
[20:40] <blr> wgrant: made that wee change to launchpad-buildd when you have a moment. https://code.launchpad.net/~blr/launchpad-buildd/snap_http_proxy/+merge/273355
[21:11] <wgrant> blr: Your os.environ set is bad.
[21:11] <wgrant> And did you manage to confirm the approach with Martin?
[21:11] <blr> wgrant: no he hasn't responded yet.
[21:13] <blr> wgrant: at the snappy sprint presumably
[21:13] <blr> I'll try pinging him again
[21:14] <wgrant> cjwatson: Huh, no idea how that test slipped through, sorry. I ran the entire test suite with all the sequences set to strange values...
[21:14] <wgrant> I wonder if I missed a case in the fixture, will rerun.
[21:17] <cjwatson> wgrant: I think it must depend on the BPPH sequence starting just the right amount offset from the SPPH sequence
[21:18] <cjwatson> Probably should just test that it doesn't get a thing of the wrong type back, rather than specifically None
[21:18] <blr> wgrant: ah, env=os.environ in _reactor.spawnProcess
[21:24] <wgrant> blr: More that you're setting the http_proxy environment variable to "http_proxy=[...]"
[21:26] <blr> ah, so I am... >.<
[21:27] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yeah, will fix.
[21:27] <wgrant> And try to come up with a more diabolical sequence breaking strategy.
[21:43] <blr> wgrant: updating startBuild in the buildd snap test, however can't find the 'apt
[21:43] <blr> ' module
[21:44] <blr> and there's no setup.py or dependency manifest afaict
[21:45] <blr> is that python-apt?
[21:45] <cjwatson> Yes
[21:45] <blr> thanks cjwatson
[21:45] <wgrant> blr: You are meant to run the buildd tests under LP's bin/py, IIRC.
[21:46] <wgrant> But the snap ones may work without that.
[21:46] <cjwatson> It's in the package dependencies ... and yes, what wgrant says
[21:46] <blr> ah, didn't realise that was possible.
[21:46] <cjwatson> There's a comment in the Makefile about it
[21:47] <cjwatson> It's a bit awkward because they don't necessarily always end up being in version sync, but txfixtures isn't packaged IIRC


[02:28] <Dumpy> no internet connection on install of kubuntu 22
[02:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: Ethernet or WiFi?
[02:28] <Dumpy> wifi
[02:28] <Dumpy> sorry, ima newb to linux and friend told me this was good intro from windows
[02:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: Can you run "lspci" in a terminal? This should pull up the devices in your system, one of which will likely be your wifi card. Tell me what the line containing your WiFi card says.
[02:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: You can also just take a picture of the lspci output, upload it to Imgur, then send the link.
[02:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: You can open a terminal by running the Konsole application.
[02:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: Then type "lspci", press Enter, snap a pic of the text that it spits out, upload to Imgur, then send the link.
[02:41] <Dumpy> 01:00.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[02:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: Broadcom. Fantastic. Install Kubuntu, but check the "install proprietary drivers" box during installation. You should notice your Wi-Fi start working after the screen progresses to the next step.
[02:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: If you want to just play around with the live environment but still have Internet, start the installer, proceed through it until you get to the bit where you can enable the drivers, then once your WiFi kicks in, close the installer.
[02:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: And if you've already installed Kubuntu, connect to the Internet with your phone or something, open Konsole, and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt install bcmwl-kernel-source", type your password, and you should be good to go.
[02:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (You will have to press Y at one point to confirm that you really do want to install the drivers.)
[03:06] <Dumpy> Thanks I will try it.
[03:09] <Dumpy> I was just in the Try It part so now real install
[03:12] <Dumpy> Any starter tips or tricks for a guy who just wanted to shoot his laptop after Windows 11 install?
[03:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: The Help Manual built into Kubuntu should give you a good start. Also, make it a point to always apply all the system updates as soon as Discover lets you know they're ready to be applied, and when Firefox asks you to close it so it can update, open Konsole and run "sudo snap refresh firefox" to force it to update immediately so you don't have it nagging you over and over.
[03:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, if and when things go wrong, check Ask Ubuntu for fixes, and don't ever hesitate to pop open your IRC chat and ask for help on #kubuntu and #ubuntu .
[03:16] <Dumpy> Thanks, hopefully this is a step in the right direction
[03:17] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm SO MUCH HAPPIER after switching from Windows to Linux. And I even was mainly using Windows 7 when I made the switch, and still loved Linux.
[03:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, one last tip. Try to get at least a little bit familiar with the terminal (Konsole). It may be tricky at first, but it will unlock a whole world of Linux awesomeness (tools, cool configuration tweaks, the ability to fix just about anything, etc.).
[03:18] <Dumpy> I liked 7 and 10 but 8 was crap and 11 is shaping up to be worse than 8
[03:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Me liked 7, sorta worked with 8, hated 10, and have yet to try 11.
[03:19] <Dumpy> I YouTube a lot. Is there a good YT guide on Konsole or Linux command line?
[03:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, YouTube guides are all too often dangerous. The best way to learn the command line is by experience. If you need to learn how to use a command, run "man <command name here>", and if you want to find a command, do "apropos <serach term>".
[03:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, another really good tip. Install Gnome Boxes on your system, and create a Kubuntu virtual machine. Then try out commands in there. If anything goes wrong, you may nuke the VM, but your main system will be untouched.
[03:26] <Dumpy> How resource heavy is Gnome Boxes? I have an old 4th Gen 2 core i5 with 8G ram and only 128G storage
[03:27] <arraybolt3[m]> That will do just fine. The VM will only need 4 GB RAM while in use, and it only needs 15 GB disk space per VM.
[03:28] <Dumpy> Cool. Thanks so much. I will take all your advice and run with it. Definitely safer to sandbox and scrap it if understand what you're saying there.
[03:28] <Dumpy> Have a goodnight
[03:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Glad to help!
[03:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: That's it exactly.
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Dumpy: You can also use Lubuntu in the VM rather than Kubuntu - it's lighter on resources, can live with just 2 GB RAM, and will perform better.
[08:17] <Hash> kdepanel keeps crashing
[08:17] <Hash> everything is up to date on 22.04
[08:17] <Hash> plasmashell freezes up and I can't do anything
[08:18] <Hash> I have to kill it, restart it, and it freezes again after a min
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:40] <roliva> @find toriel
[19:47] <cbreak> Hmm... I have a new problem since a few days: Maximum number of clients reachedError: Can't open display: :0
[19:47] <cbreak> that happens when I try to open new programs that have windows, like xeyes
[19:49] <kubuntu> -->
[19:55] <cbreak> hmm... https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/250920/debugging-maximum-number-of-clients-reached-unable-to-open-display-0
[19:56] <cbreak> seems kded5 has 175 open sockets
[19:59] <cbreak> killall kded5 seems to have fixed the issue
[21:16] <victor_> hola?
[21:16] <omegatron> o/
[21:17] <victor_> cómo va la noche?
[22:37] <andrew__> i need help
[22:38] <andrew__> the wifi broke
[22:39] <andrew__> but bluetooth still works
[22:40] <andrew__> oh wait no the bluetooth doesnt work
[22:45] <andrew__> hmmmm
[22:45] <andrew__> im gonna try updating
[22:47] <andrew__> and reboot
[22:49] <andrew__> it didnt work
[22:49] <andrew__> im stuck
[22:50] <andrew__> is someone here
[22:50] <andrew__> i need help
[22:51] <andrew__> my brother is constantly asking me to play roblox
[23:03] <wheatley> ...
[23:03] <wheatley> hello
[23:19] <enigma9o7[m]> What's up with the elipses?
[23:19] <enigma9o7[m]> Hi Wheatley.


[01:20] <daftykins> \o
[01:36] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[01:37] <daftykins> how goes?
[01:59] <zmoylan-pi> ok, waiting for new year to be done with so i can get back to not having to guess if shops are open that day or not
[02:05] <daftykins> :D
[02:12] <penguin42> oddly a lot of the big shops seem to be closed on NYD here
[02:13] <daftykins> glad i got in my food shop so i can last a bit :>
[02:13] <daftykins> still in two minds about whether i do anything to... night, it's pretty yawn at this point
[10:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:45] <zleap> morning
[10:45] <zleap> ok just completed codecademy ruby lesson 1,  a grand total of 5% of course
[10:48] <brobostigon> morning
[10:48] <brobostigon> :)
[11:07] <zleap> how are you
[11:11] <brobostigon> mostly asleep, and you?
[11:23] <zleap> slowly working through codecademy courses
[11:24] <brobostigon> :)
[11:25] <zleap> seeing how basic ruby can turn in to featured web apps is also interesting
[11:26] <zleap> so going from puts "string" to web apps
[11:53] <brobostigon> ah.
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> injust a few simple steps... :-) https://imgur.com/Nt4jm
[12:38] <zleap> looks good


[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: draco [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.5.2+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[01:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: onevpl-intel-gpu [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [22.2.0-1] (no packageset)
[08:48] <juliank> autopkgtest queue on amd64 down to 2300, other queues empty, at current velocity amd64 should be empty in another ~13 hours; really picked up pace lately
[08:48] <juliank> I guess it's running shorter tests now :D
[10:33] <mwhudson> juliank: must be time to upload glibc again then!
[10:35] <juliank> mwhudson: I'd kind of like to see queues empty and then see if anythings still missing from it that's supposed to be running
[10:36] <mwhudson> juliank: yeah i wasn't being serious, there's still some stuff i'm waiting for upstream on
[10:36] <mwhudson> (and i too would like to see some empty queues)
[18:56] <juliank> 694 items in the queue. Almost done. When queue is empty might make sense to restart rabbitmq, then run retry-autppkgrest-regressions --state RUNNING
[19:05] <ginggs> juliank: thanks!
[22:39] <mwhudson> 206!
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openrefine [amd64] (jammy-proposed/none) [3.5.2-1] (no packageset)


[04:43] <shtylman> corp186: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development?action=show&redirect=InstallerDevelopment that should get you started
[04:43] <shtylman> the branch is located at: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk
[04:44] <shtylman> you can ignore the IRC notification bits
[04:44] <shtylman> and to build the package after you make changes: run debuild
[04:45] <shtylman> more commonly, we just have a virtual machine and make the changes in that so we can test them quicker
[14:09] <corp186> shtylman: I've been poring over that info, but I'm still a little lost
[14:09] <corp186> how do I create a new installation iso
[14:10] <corp186> I checked out the dists branch of debian-installer
[14:10] <corp186> and checked out all the relevant packages
[14:10] <corp186> then I used the debian instructions to try to build installation media
[14:11] <corp186> like "fakeroot make build_cdrom_isolinux"
[14:11] <corp186> but it ends up making a tarball, and not an iso
[16:10] <shtylman> corp186: why do you want to make a whole new iso?
[16:11] <corp186> shtylman: maybe I don't need to, but I want to test changes to the installer
[16:11] <corp186> so how can I make changes and test them?
[16:11] <shtylman> for development and testing you don't need to make a whole new iso, you can just boot a live environment and install your created deb into that
[16:12] <corp186> I don't understand, but there are many holes in my understanding of how the installer works
[16:12] <shtylman> or... as I suggest, have a live environment (or even an installed system) in a virtual machine. Then install the ubiquity package in that system
[16:13] <shtylman> corp186: you can run the ubiquity installer from and installed system, it does not have to be from a live CD
[16:13] <corp186> I think I see what you're getting at, so I have further questions
[16:13] <shtylman> k
[16:13] <corp186> I'm having a hard time understanding how the d-i installer is put together
[16:14] <corp186> from what I can tell, the installer runs programs from a series of packages
[16:14] <corp186> if that's correct, where is the data that strings it all together in the right order
[16:14] <shtylman> I am not too familiar with d-i itself (my work is mainly in the frontend) but yes... there are a number of scripts that ubiquity calls out to
[16:15] <corp186> I'm looking at modifying the underlying installation, not ubiquity (yet)
[16:15] <shtylman> the people to ask (they are not online right now) are cjwatson who has been working on the installer for a long time and also evand who works and maintails ubiquity currently
[16:15] <corp186> shtylman: thanks
[16:16] <shtylman> np


[03:15] <gendarme> any update on the touchpad support
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/lmBBfzMM/file_23206.jpg I want to set up hotspot...but network connection shows like this.... … Anyone tell how to set up an hotspot on kubuntu.......I haven't got any tutorial from web
[05:16] <viewer|1> Can I ask about a problem regarding kubuntu here
[05:18] <diogenes_> !ask
 @Josephputhusseril, Anyone???
 @IrcsomeBot
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:43] <InspectorCluseau> ;;tlast
 Hi, I am experiencing a kernel panic
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mMdlNUB1/file_23209.jpg
 I have no idea how this happend
 I didn't even do an update afaik
[09:08] <diogenes_> tuxifan, i assume bad HDD blocks.
 @diogenes_, I found out it is the kernel
 I started an older one
 And it worked
 There is some fault inside the initramfs
 Some syntax error
[09:10] <diogenes_> tuxifan, could be yes.
 Ah an update broke it
 Seems like the update was faulty
 I'll regenerate my initramfs for now
[09:14] <lordievader> First line gives it away, doesn't it.
[10:03] <DarwinElf> when I install, it adds my ethernet in a step called Wireless.  Come on people, you can be more scientifically accurate than this.  Don't force the portable PC agenda down everyone's throats.  Same with having 'airplane mode' appear on a desktop
[10:04] <DarwinElf> and the default is still EXT2?  You have to go up two hidden lines in the menu to find the option to mount a fileystem EXT4?  Why does it start a few down the list instead of at the top?
[11:45] <alejandroc> Hi, I'been using kubuntu for a while and I've got a little problem, when I come back from suspend to RAM KWin crashes and Desktop icons look stange until I move them
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 I am digging through configfs rn...
 Is there any current and complete documentation about usb gadget?
[21:47] <bprompt> usb gadget?
 @bprompt, Yep
 (Photo, 1280x934) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/C53Ol1Ab/file_23237.jpg This
 I figured out most of it but in some cases a proper documentation would be really nice...
[21:50] <bprompt> ohh
 Hello Kubuntu folks. Hope everyone is well today. I notice that I frequently have to refresh Dolphin to see new files. I don't remember this happening as often in the past and was wonder if maybe I'm doing something wrong or if there's a way to fix it. This is on 19.10 with backports.
 Dolphin is simply weird sometimes 🤷♂ … Check if clearing its config is enough
[21:55] <bprompt> ericaadams:   dunno, I'm on kubuntu 16.04, now and then I need to refresh to show new files assuming that the new files came from a sequential process like unzipping or a new folder made by a service, but that "refresh rate delay" happens with all file managers, it doesn't happen as often though, on any file manager, bearing in mind that I mainly use Konqueror as file manager
 Fair enough. It doesn't make it unusable but there are times where I forget to refresh and then think I copied a file somewhere else. Thanks for the feedback.
 (Photo, 543x1278) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/h96qN7r7/file_23238.jpg Is this a new feature or why didn't I know about it?


[14:59] <odra> Hey
[14:59] <odra> Anybody here? I need someone who knows english to tell me something D:
[15:03] <dobey> odra: just ask your question. do not ask to ask
[15:03] <odra> Ok.
[15:04] <odra> In English, is there a rule that you should always capitalize the first letter?
[15:04] <dobey> sure. but how is that related to launchpad?
[15:04] <odra> So, would menu items and titles such as "Open File..." be incorrect english? Since they capitalize more than the first letter?
[15:04] <dobey> #launchpad isn't a grammar school :)
[15:05] <dobey> you need to ask the design guidelines for your target platform
[15:06] <odra> Then you are telling me the way they are written isn't bound to the english rules but to the design rules employed by the platoform?
[15:06] <dobey> if you wnat help with design issues for apps on ubuntu, then #ayatana or #ubuntu-design (don't know if the latter exists) would be a good place to ask
[15:06] <dobey> i'm telling you it has nothing to do with launchpad.net :)
[15:06] <odra> Sorry I didn't know where to ask.
[15:08] <odra> Because the brazilian portuguese translation team won't capitalize the words like the english does under the premise that it isn't allow in the portuguese language, so I'm checking with english speakers and with the ABL if that is right.
[15:10] <dobey> then ask in #ayatana or #ubuntu-design for more help


[01:14] <asomething> hi all, wondering if anyone around could help make some sense of some debug info from trying to deploy a Django project from bzr using the python-django charm
[01:14] <asomething> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5968323/
[01:15] <asomething> the relation-joined hook fails when running: 'juju add-relation python-django postgresql:db'
[01:17] <sarnold> asomething: just guessing, that -r in the relation-list command is given as the reason for the failing..
[01:17] <sarnold> asomething: .. can you find documentation on the relation-list command that describes what -r is and why it's there?
[01:18] <asomething> sarnold, let's see....
[01:20] <sarnold> hrm, finally found some docs, https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-anatomy.html
[01:20] <sarnold> ... and its shorter than it could be and doesn't describe command line arguments at all. :/
[01:23] <asomething> hmm... 'juju debug-hooks'  doesn't exist for juju <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:24] <asomething> guess I'll look at the  postgresql charm itself
[01:36] <asomething> so it's something about the id of a related unit...  line 200-206 here: https://github.com/charms/postgresql/blob/master/hooks/charmhelpers/core/hookenv.py
[01:38] <sarnold> nice
[01:39] <sarnold> but the downside is I'm not seing an easy way to remove it and leave the rest of the code alone. ;/ if it is supported in a newer version of juju, that'd be the easier thing to do, I think.
[01:45] <asomething> the same set of commands will get a hello world django project running, I guess I'll just work through the postgresql charm to I see exactly where my Django code is interacting
[01:45] <asomething> i was just hope that someone in here might have seen the same thing before
[01:45] <asomething> thanks for the try sarnold
[01:46] <sarnold> asomething: good luck :)
[01:46] <sarnold> asomething: oh!
[01:46] <sarnold> asomething: maybe you can roll back to a previous version of the postgresql charm?
[01:46] <sarnold> maybe there's an earlier version that would work with your version of juju?
[01:46] <asomething> worth trying
[01:46] <sarnold> maybe not _fun_... but worth trying.
[02:36] <MACscr> So do charms have to be deployed on their own instance or can you choose to install some of them on the same virtual machine or physical server?
[02:37] <mattrae_> MACscr: depends on which juju provider you use. there are juju providers for MAAS for bare metal installs, Openstack and ec2
[02:38] <mattrae_> MACscr: right now if you want to deploy multiple charms to a single machine or vm, you can use jitsu
[02:39] <MACscr> mattrae_: interesting, i wasnt really 100% aware of juju providers
[02:39] <mattrae_> MACscr: in newer juju releases there deploying mulitple charms to a single node will put those charms in lxc containers, so the charms dont' conflict
[02:39] <MACscr> ive only watched a few videos
[02:40] <MACscr> ah, thats cool
[02:40] <MACscr> so is there a management interface for managing these instances after they are deployed?
[02:41] <mattrae_> MACscr: there is juju-gui, which is a charm that you can deploy as well
[02:41] <MACscr> also, is there a limit to what is compatible with what? Aka, i see that juju can deploy openstack and it can also deploy ceph. Can it deploy ceph as the storage backend for openstack?
[02:42] <mattrae_> MACscr: the juju gui is similar to what you see when you go to jujucharms.com
[02:42] <mattrae_> MACscr: it depends on the charms but the openstack charms and ceph charms are reviewed or written by ccanonical to make sure they work together
[02:43] <mattrae_> MACscr: here's an example deployment that includes openstack and ceph https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[02:44] <mattrae_> MACscr: that page is describing a HA deployment, which the charms support. but you don't have to deploy that way
[02:44] <MACscr> LOL, 28 servers for HA? rofl
[02:45] <mattrae_> MACscr: yeah, basically every component has at least 2 nodes
[02:45] <MACscr> right, but not every component needs its own node
[02:45] <mattrae_> MACscr: so right now, i'd suggest putting each charm on its own vm or node
[02:45] <MACscr> a lot of openstack components can go on the controller
[02:46] <MACscr> so should be able to do HA with actually just 6
[02:46] <mattrae_> MACscr: particularly for the openstack charms until there is container separataion. some of the charms can edit the same config files and they can conflict if you use jitsu to deploy to the same node
[02:47] <MACscr> hmm, so is the LXC container thing theoretical or is there a version that currently supports it?
[02:47] <mattrae_> MACscr: yeah you could do it that way, i'd watch out though for the scenario i'm mentioning where different charms may edit the same config file
[02:47] <mattrae_> MACscr: i think its real, let me see if i can find the branch to use
[02:48] <MACscr> I have 10 physical servers right now, plus a management server (low power for just doing deployments/vpn,etc), and then a single storage node, though im adding a second one shortly
[02:49] <mattrae_> MACscr: looks like in juju-core 1.13.0, there is a 'local' provider that does the container stuff
[02:49] <mattrae_> if you add the ppa:juju/devel
[02:49] <mattrae_> you should be able to install juju-core
[02:49] <MACscr> http://content.screencast.com/users/MACscr/folders/Snagit/media/539491bf-c5ed-49e8-88a5-d812f954176e/2013-08-02_04-54-29.png
[02:50] <MACscr> thats pretty much a quick mockup of the idea im having
[02:51] <MACscr> cool, thanks for the idea
[02:52] <mattrae_> MACscr: sure np :)
[02:53] <mattrae_> MACscr: looks like enough machines. you could potentially use a machine as a hypervisor and enlist the vms in maas.. if you need more machines in maas
[02:55] <mattrae_> MACscr: heres how maas can control vms http://askubuntu.com/questions/292061/how-to-configure-maas-to-be-able-to-boot-virtual-machines
[02:56] <MACscr> mattrae_: wow, you are just full of great info. Thanks so much!
[02:56] <mattrae_> MACscr: for sure, np :)
[02:58] <MACscr> i know there much be some huge gotcha thats going to rain on my parade that i havent seen yet =P
[20:24] <juju> hi
[20:42] <marcoceppi|away> jamespage: re simplestream data, you can spin your own imagemetadata to "overrule" whatever the actual data is. While I'm not 100% certain it'll work in all cases, I'm fairly confident you can have your own image-metadata which points to a different image than what simplestreams has


[01:09] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Time to trade SRU for mesa commits? :)
[01:16] <Sarvatt> lol
[07:29] <mlankhorst> RAOF: Yeah I was blocked on that, I saw that someone replied with keithp's dri3 branch, which supposedly did the same thing
[07:30] <mlankhorst> but looking at it didn't show up any conflicting commits, which puzzled me
[07:31] <mlankhorst> at least nothing that conflicted on first sight
[07:35] <RAOF> mlankhorst: IIRC keithp's dri3 branch contains an implementation for nouveau (which might even by *your* implementation for nouveau, can't remember), and will fail on everything else.
[07:38] <mlankhorst> ah
[07:38] <mlankhorst> but I didn't see it in that commit list any more for the dri3 branch, hm
[07:40] <RAOF> It also got pointed out on the list that my patch series was more complete, and had been hanging around since April or so; keithp may have removed the partial work from his branch?
[07:42] <mlankhorst> perhaps
[07:45] <mlankhorst> RAOF: I'll try to grab the patches again, see if they apply and compile
[07:46] <RAOF> Pretty sure they do. I don't *think* I touched them on my recent rebasefest.
[07:48] <mlankhorst> there's 2 v3 of one commit too, what one do I take? :p
[07:54] <mlankhorst> hm guess I'll try the newest one
[07:55] <RAOF> Oh, really? Which patch has 2 v3s?
[07:57] <mlankhorst> support dri image version 7
[08:29] <mlankhorst> hm they're identical
[08:29] <mlankhorst> just why would you send it twice :o
[08:36] <RAOF> I don't know. They're offset by significant times, too.
[08:36] <RAOF> Maybe one got eaten in processing for a while?
[08:41] <mlankhorst> probably
[08:42] <mlankhorst> RAOF: hm, the nouveau patch failed to apply, i fixed it up. the radeon one fails with one hunk too, but it seems that one can be ignored :p
[08:42] <RAOF> :)
[08:42] <RAOF> Oh!
[08:43] <RAOF> Has {r300,r600,radeonsi}/drm_target.c moved between patch submission and now?
[08:43] <RAOF> Is that the failing hunk?
[08:45] <mlankhorst> nah
[08:45] <mlankhorst> was some va_size that got removed
[08:45] <RAOF> Ah, coolio.
[08:50] <mlankhorst> ok, trying build
[08:53] <mlankhorst> ok it compiles, I guess that's all I can ask for
[08:53] <RAOF> Oh. *That's* why the Mir platform bombs when I try to update it - intel preferentially calls image_get_buffers if it's non-null, and gbm always defines image_get_buffers, but returns 0 if the implementation hasn't defined that.
[08:53] <RAOF> mlankhorst: There's a piglit test available!
[08:53] <mlankhorst> too late :p
[08:56] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Ta muchly
[09:08] <mlankhorst> mir patch didn't apply and it failed at installing to debian/tmp stage somewhere,
[09:08] <mlankhorst> but shrug
[09:15] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: commit the arm fix to d-exp too
[09:15] <tjaalton> or was that on ubuntu only
[09:15] <mlankhorst> on ubuntu only for now
[09:16] <mlankhorst> our packaging diverges a lot there
[09:16] <tjaalton> ah ok
[09:16] <tjaalton> yeah I guess jcristau would have spotted the failure too :)
[09:16] <mlankhorst> oh actually it should fail on their packaging too. :P
[09:18] <tjaalton> yeah looks like it
[09:20] <jcristau> i won't spot arm failures until they hit the buildds
[09:20] <jcristau> no arm kit here :)
[09:21] <tjaalton> I tried to find build logs yesterday but couldn't find any for mesa 10
[09:21] <tjaalton> but yeah guess they do take some time..
[09:22] <mlankhorst> jcristau: http://paste.debian.net/70096/ does this look good?
[09:22] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I've almost got the mir bit done; I've just realised why i965 dies on it.
[09:23] <mlankhorst> hm I guess I should merge it and have it inside confflags_GALLIUM below..
[09:23] <jcristau> tjaalton: mesa 10 is in debian NEW
[09:24] <jcristau> so no logs yet
[09:24] <tjaalton> oh right
[09:25] <mlankhorst> jcristau: http://paste.debian.net/70097/ v2
[09:25] <jcristau> mlankhorst: not quite sure if building radeon stuff on arm makes much sense
[09:25] <mlankhorst> jcristau: well .. we already do it anyway :P
[09:26] <mlankhorst> and lynxeye already had nouveau working on a tegra board with pci-e
[09:26] <mlankhorst> granted, the leak current of the nvidia card was probably higher than the entire tegra board itself, but still!
[09:29] <jcristau> need more context to understand v2.  too many conditionals in that makefile.
[09:29]  * jcristau tries to find a mesa checkout
[09:31] <mlankhorst> oh  wait, i915/i965 is used outside linux right?
[09:40] <jcristau> yes
[09:40] <jcristau> i was just about to say that
[09:40] <jcristau> need to still build them on kbsd
[09:42] <RAOF> I win!
[09:43] <mlankhorst> congratulations, you win a mir display
[09:47] <jcristau> that sounds like losing
[09:54] <mlankhorst> jcristau: http://paste.debian.net/70098/ hm this better?
[09:57] <jcristau> you lose the extra_sed thing, is that on purpose?
[09:57] <mlankhorst> yeah
[09:57] <mlankhorst> libllvmradeon.so no longer exists
[09:57] <mlankhorst> so it was a leftover in debian/rules
[09:57] <tjaalton> confusing to remove it on the same commit
[09:58] <mlankhorst> this is the diff I have. :P
[09:58] <mlankhorst> didn't commit anything yet
[09:58] <jcristau> in that case also remove the use of EXTRA_SED :)
[09:59] <mlankhorst> ah right
[10:19] <mlankhorst> RAOF: hm mir was broken with mesa 10?
[10:22] <RAOF> mlankhorst: When switching to using gbm for the nested stuff, I think.
[10:23] <mlankhorst> oh :p
[10:23] <mlankhorst> didn't check nested
[11:23] <mlankhorst> RAOF: oh btw for libdrm/pixman sru do I need to update quantal and raring or not? To make upgrading from precise to quantal and raring work
[11:50] <mlankhorst> guess I will
[12:25] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Yeah, we do like to keep upgrades working :)
[12:25] <mlankhorst> ok
[12:25] <mlankhorst> testbuild in ppa seems to work
[12:37] <mlankhorst> pixman_0.30.2-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.1_source.changes
[12:37] <mlankhorst> weee
[13:51] <tjaalton> jollas available tomorrow.. bah. no benefit in preordering it other than getting a free cap
[13:51] <tjaalton> which should arrive some time next week
[14:20] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: you just overwrote my previous xorg-server changes
[14:21] <mlankhorst> oh :P
[14:21] <mlankhorst> sorry
[14:21] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: np, can you fix it?
[14:22] <mlankhorst> sure
[14:22] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: cool, thanks!
[21:34] <mdeslaur> so...looking at http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3377
[21:34] <mdeslaur> seems there are new 331 319 and 304 drivers
[21:34] <mdeslaur> but, I'm looking at the zillion packages we have to update in the archive
[21:34] <mdeslaur> what do we do with the 310 and 313 packages?
[21:34] <mdeslaur> update them to 319?
[21:35] <mdeslaur> leave as-is without telling the user they have a security issue?
[23:02] <mlankhorst> it's fairly theoretical
[23:03] <mlankhorst> well it's still a gaping security hole but not everyone could exploit it ;)
[23:04] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: hm
[23:04] <mlankhorst> The PGRAPH context switch microcode allows user to read/write arbitrary MMIO registers by submitting the firmware methods. The GF100+ video decoding etc. falcon microcodes allow you to just ask for physical instead of virtual addressing, and that includes physical system memory. Why did nVidia include such obviously security-breaking functionality in the firmware images? As I understand it, a user having access to just the FIFO submission interfac
[23:05] <mlankhorst> Marcin Kościelnicki
[23:05] <mlankhorst> sounds like it could be fun to figure out :P
[23:11] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: I guess nouveau developers could figure it out, but anyone else is going to have to try a lot harder
[23:40] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: but tseliot knows the nvidia binary drivers better than I do, ask him ;)


[06:21] <DanChapman> Morning all
[06:23] <smartboyhw> Hello DanChapman
[06:25] <DanChapman> Noskcaj: Hey o/ hows it goin? So i made a start on testdrive on friday, all seems to be going ok so far. Going to get some more done today but the application and messaging indicator are now working again :-)
[06:25] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: Yo! how are you?
[06:25] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, great. It's good that you are making Testdrive better.
[06:26] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: any suggestions on improvements?
[06:27] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, you can make Netboot in Testdrive, although it will be super difficult
[06:29] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: I will look into it but that one may be beyond my skills lol
[07:26] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, Great work. The bugs list has all the other feature requests.
[08:41] <idiesh> Hello all
[08:42] <idiesh> is anyone can share for Xperia ion can i get ubuntu image?
[08:44] <Noskcaj> idiesh, I don't think there is an image for it
[08:47] <idiesh> thanks Noskacaj
[19:12] <zyga> ls
[19:53] <xnox> zyga: bin   cdrom  etc   initrd.img	   lib	  lib64   lost+found  mnt  proc  run   srv  tmp  var	  vmlinuz.old
[19:53] <xnox> boot  dev    home  initrd.img.old  lib32  libx32  media       opt  root  sbin  sys  usr  vmlinuz
[19:54] <zyga> xnox: hi
[19:54] <zyga> xnox: hehe
[19:54] <zyga> xnox: do you support passwd too ;) ?
[19:55] <xnox> zyga: yes =)
[19:56] <xnox> zyga: hunter2 ?
[19:57] <zyga> geez
[19:57] <zyga> I wrote cnf
[19:57] <zyga> I even re-wrote it a few times
[19:57] <zyga> but I cannot remember how to run my harvesting tinhs


[12:07] <jamespage> hello - do I need a FFE to get a package removed from the archive?  I need todo some re-jigs first but euca moving out of main means I can do a bit of housekeeping...
[12:18] <doko> jamespage, which one?
[12:19] <jamespage> doko: libcommons-fileupload-java-universe - libcommons-fileupload-java is now in universe so we can drop the -universe version and restore its full feature set with a sync from debian
[12:20] <jamespage> doko: Documenting here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-fileupload-java/+bug/845541
[12:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 845541 in solr (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Remove libcommons-fileupload-java-universe from the Oneiric archive (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[12:20] <doko> jamespage, once it's not built anymore it will show up in NBS
[12:20] <cjwatson> removals don't typically require FFEs anyway, no
[12:21] <doko> pitti: FFE above ^^^
[12:23] <doko> so, is ubuntuone-couch now wanted in main?
[12:23] <pitti> jamespage: this sounds fine, removing duplicate sources is really cleanup and not a feature
[12:23] <jamespage> pitti: OK - but I do need a couple of FFE's to support this removal - re-syncs from Debian
[12:23] <jamespage> testing and documenting ATM
[12:24] <pitti> doko: it's an rrecommends of deja-dup, so I guess yes
[12:25] <doko> pitti, but we did move the rest out of main ...
[12:25] <pitti> doko: did we?
[12:25] <pitti> I thought it's back
[12:25] <pitti> U1 really ought to be in main
[12:25] <pitti> desktopcouch, ubuntuone-client etc. are all in main
[12:27] <doko> insighttoolkit built on powerpc, five more days now on armel ...
[12:29] <pitti> that's bigger than kernel and LibO together, isn't it?
[12:29] <pitti> must be a helluva tib
[12:29] <pitti> s/tib/lib/
[12:29] <doko> ahh, bug 844995
[12:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 844995 in python-couchdb (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Archive demotion to universe (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844995
[12:31] <doko> pitti: couchdb, not ubuntuone
[12:42] <doko> pitti: thanks for taking the ladvd ftbfs ;-P
[12:43] <pitti> doko: two tests fail, they look a bit weird (it's trying a chroot() call); if they fail on the buildds as well, I'll have a closer look
[12:43] <pitti> gearmand built fine here, so I synced Debian's version as there is no delta any more
[12:43] <pitti> and I removed python-event; FUBAR, and no rdepends
[12:43] <doko> pitti, they did
[12:43] <pitti> that should take care of the libevent-1.4-2 ones
[12:44] <pitti> doko: ah, interestingly the chroot() one passed on the buildds
[12:44] <pitti> so I'll examine the http one
[12:46] <pitti> doko: BTW, I followed up to the ptlib/opal bug, asking for other release team member opinions; either we update the whole stack or remove them all
[12:47] <cjwatson> I'd rather not have to remove ekiga frankly
[12:47] <pitti> me neither
[12:47] <cjwatson> it may be a bit weird and shonky sometimes but it's definitely used
[12:47] <pitti> I had used it for years without much problem
[12:47] <pitti> these days I prefer empathy, but according to the changelog it's still quite alive
[12:48] <pitti> I just don't feel unbiased enough any more to say "let's update it all"
[12:48] <tumbleweed> sorry I totally dropped the ball on that, thanks for looking at it. It looked like updating the whole stack would do the trick
[12:48] <pitti> tumbleweed: yes, I followed up there some hours ago; it took the better part of my morning, but I have all packages ready for upload now
[12:48] <ScottK> It would be good to have Daviey check out the asterix aspect of it.
[12:49] <pitti> the main risk here AFAICS is breakig asterisk due to the new spandsp
[12:49] <ScottK> Fortunately we know someone who's very familiar with the package.
[12:49] <pitti> that version is in unstable, of course, so I'd think that asterisk breakage would have been detected there
[12:49] <pitti> but better checking twice at this point
[12:51] <doko> jamespage,  libcommons-fileupload-java synced
[12:54] <jamespage> doko: thanks
[12:55] <jamespage> hrm - although I think that needed a FFE ack from ubuntu-release as its a minor version upgrade
[12:56] <jamespage> plus it generates a new -java-doc package for the API documentation which is now in NEW
[12:58] <cjwatson> jamespage: you only need an FFE if there are new features in that minor version upgrade, not just because of the version change
[12:58] <doko> jamespage, hmm sorry, had the impression pitti had given one
[12:59] <jamespage> cjwatson: ah-ha - I missed that point of detail - thanks for clarifying
[13:01] <cjwatson> pitti: non-binding opinion :-) added to the bug
[13:01] <jamespage> doko: so that sync was OK - my mistake
[13:01] <cjwatson> (as in, probably worth giving other people a chance to respond)
[13:02] <jamespage> doko: with that new nugget of information I don't believe the minor version upgrade to libspring-java needs an FFE either - great
[13:03] <jamespage> well at least I tested it well and learn't something new today :-)
[13:14] <pitti> cjwatson: *nod*
[13:18] <doko> pitti: is calling dpkg-gensymbols -c4 really a good idea for an 48h building package like webkit?
[13:21] <pitti> well, wasn't my idea :) but in general I do -c4 in my packages as well
[15:51] <cyphermox_> fyi, I'd like to upload the release tarballs of 0.9.0 for the different vpn plugins (vpnc, openconnect). They are all just bugfix. mostly making sure all strings are translatable (the translations should already be available, just not getting used in code)
[15:52] <cyphermox_> openvpn needs an update too bug that one will get a UIFE, since there is one extra combo
[16:41] <ScottK> lamont: Are you around?  I've got a problem that might need some of your help to diagnose.
[16:44] <lamont> bah
[16:44] <lamont> I mean, wassup?
[16:44] <ScottK> Hi.
[16:44] <ScottK> kde-runtime FTBFS because patches wouldn't unapply.
[16:44] <ScottK> It works fine for everyone locally.
[16:44] <lamont> neat
[16:45] <ScottK> Tried the same package in a PPA an it magically built on i386, but failed on amd64.
[16:45] <lamont> bzr branch lp:~lamont/launchpad-buildd/chroot-scripts; chroot-scripts/make-chroot.sh -d oneiric --lp
[16:45] <lamont> that is most strange
[16:46] <ScottK> So I was wondering if you had some way to capture the debris of the build and examine it's entrails?
[16:46] <lamont> not trivially
[16:47] <lamont> and certainly not expostfacto
[16:47] <ScottK> Right, but if you were prepared, we could retry it.
[16:47] <ScottK> I'll suggest someone try to replicate it with your sbuild branch first.
[16:48] <lamont> that branch just gives you a launchpad build-chroot as it should exist after dist-upgrade
[16:48] <ScottK> OK.
[16:49] <ScottK> If you get bored, the PPA version of the 'bad' thing in question is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1932597/+listing-archive-extra
[16:50] <lamont> ok.  I see boredom coming sometime in 2040 at this rate
[16:50] <ScottK> OK.  Just checking.
[17:06] <lamont> ScottK: if it's still not solved on monday, poke me and we'll figure out a time (prolly wednesdayish) to work on it
[17:06] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks.
[17:16] <skaet> lamont,  is there an ETA on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gradle/+bug/796769
[17:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 796769 in gradle (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "gradle needs a manual build using the unstable binaries (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Confirmed]
[17:17] <skaet> ?
[17:22] <micahg> skaet: re firefox for beta 2, chrisccoulson and I were discussing yesterday with upstream, it seems that we'll be shipping the final beta for Firefox/Thunderbird 7 for beta 2 and uploading the release builds once the freeze is lifted (Firefox/Thunderbird 7 final is what oneiric will hopefully ship with)
[17:23] <micahg> should be minimal if any changes from final beta to release
[17:43] <micahg> skaet: did you miss my notes before?
[17:43] <skaet> micahg, yes, appear to have.   Changing rooms at the conference.
[17:43] <lamont> skaet: deej bootstrapped it yesterday
[17:44] <micahg> ah, well, this can wait till, monday, but wanted to give you a heads up
[17:44] <micahg> [12:22] <micahg> skaet: re firefox for beta 2, chrisccoulson and I were discussing yesterday with upstream, it seems that we'll be shipping the final beta for Firefox/Thunderbird 7 for beta 2 and uploading the release builds once the freeze is lifted (Firefox/Thunderbird 7 final is what oneiric will hopefully ship with)
[17:44] <micahg> [12:23] <micahg> should be minimal if any changes from final beta to release
[17:44] <lamont> skaet: all of which is to say "I have no clue why the bug should have been assigned to me"
[17:45] <skaet> lamont,  it was one of a set from a while back.   entropy I imagine.   If deej has done it,  would be good if the status can be updated.  :)
[17:45] <lamont> yeah, I'll go kill the bug
[17:46] <skaet> lamont,  Thanks!
[17:46] <lamont> no worries.
[17:47] <skaet> micahg,  thanks for the head's up.  When will the version for beta 2 be landing?
[17:47] <lamont> skaet: as a heads up, syowa is going to retire early next week.  it has served us well as syncproxy.ubuntu.com these past 7+ years or so.
[17:47] <micahg> skaet: chrisccoulson might have a better idea, my guess is either day before or day of beta 2 freeze
[17:48] <skaet> lamont,  earlier is better than later in the week.
[17:48] <lamont> skaet: that is a major point in why I'm not rushing to finish it today. :p
[17:48]  * skaet trying to minimize opportunities for murphy around beta freeze.
[17:49] <skaet> lamont,  :)  indeed.
[17:49] <lamont> OTOH, the announcement to the mirror community will go out todayish, and I expect that "early" == tuesday
[17:50] <skaet> lamont,  that should work out ok.  We have wednesday to recover then before beta freeze.  :)
[17:51] <lamont> oh, it only affects things mirroring.  nothing big or anything. :(
[17:51] <lamont> actually only about a dozen or two boxes where we don't have total control.
[17:51] <lamont> OTOH, not replacing syowa is even worse in its expected consequences
[17:51] <skaet> micahg:  thanks I'll follow up with you and chriscoulson on monday then.
[17:52] <skaet> lamont,  starting to show its age, huh?
[17:53] <lamont> that's a polite way to say it
[17:53] <skaet> gotcha
[23:47] <ScottK> lamont: I got the problem sorted.  It'd be nice if when dh_quilt can't unapply the patch it'd actually say that instead of just error in the build log.  Thanks for the offer.


[00:30] <nyRednek> or just use 12.04
[00:31] <nyRednek> :P
[01:26] <kgb_operative> hey guys
[01:26] <kgb_operative> I got a question about xfce
[01:27] <kgb_operative> I found how to extend my desktop on two different monitors, but is there a way to have two desktops running (one on each monitor)?
[01:34] <well_laid_lawn> kgb_operative: see if this helps - http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=23162#p23162
[01:37] <kgb_operative> thanks, I think this is what im looking for
[02:53] <xubuntu680> Is anyone having trouble running the software updater?
[02:57] <matematikaadit> Hello, how do I know that my xubuntu has ipv6 support?
[02:58] <matematikaadit> I've try:
[02:58] <matematikaadit> sudo modprobe ipv6
[02:58] <matematikaadit> but
[02:58] <sdollins> IPV6 should work by default.
[02:58] <matematikaadit> lsmod | grep ipv6
[02:58] <sdollins> you set it up in NetworkManager
[02:58] <matematikaadit> gives me nothing
[03:00] <Unit193> xubuntu680: What's the issue?
[03:00] <Unit193> matematikaadit: In the terminal, ip addr
[03:01] <matematikaadit> ip addr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1308678/
[03:03] <matematikaadit> "ping www.ipv6.org" works, but "ping6 www.ipv6.org" doesn't. It says "unknown host"
[03:04] <matematikaadit> And in terminal, whenever some program trying to connect to some ipv6 address, it fail.
[03:04] <Unit193> http://test-ipv6.com/  Does your DNS and ISP  have it?
[03:08] <matematikaadit> it says "Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have no access to the IPv6 Internet, or is not configured to use it."
[03:09] <Unit193> As did it on mine, but if I   dig AAAA ipv6.google.com  it'll pull their IPv6 address.
[03:09] <Unit193> (I do not have IPv6)
[03:10] <matematikaadit> OK, i've try: dig AAAA ipv6.google.com
[03:11] <matematikaadit> which part that say it's ipv4 address?
[03:11] <Unit193> ipv6.l.google.com.  300  IN  AAAA  2607:f8b0:400c:c02::93
[03:14] <matematikaadit> i don't get it?
[03:14] <matematikaadit> does 'ping ipv6.l.google.com' equal to 'ping6 ipv6.google.com'?
[03:15] <matematikaadit> but 'ping ipv6.l.google.com' doesn't work.
[03:15] <sdollins> no it doesn't.
[03:15] <sdollins> ping = ipv4, ping6 = ipv6
[03:16] <sdollins> Do you even have IPv6 connectivity?
[03:16] <sdollins> Not many residential ISPs provide it.
[03:17] <matematikaadit> I think I haven't
[03:53] <ryanbrunswick> hey. any folks running xubuntu on a thinkpad t61?
[09:36] <Industrial> By default, when I start up & log in, all my removable drives and NTFS partitions are not mounted. Can I get these to mount? My music player library depends on it. I often have to redo the whole library import because I forget to mount first.
[09:38] <Unit193> You should be able to set that up in gigolo, and for sure in fstab.
[09:53] <Industrial> Oh. That's nice.
[09:57] <Industrial> Unit193: fstab doesn't seem to hold entries for these partitions, gigolo can't change anything about them and I also checked the Removable Drives and Media settings.
[09:58] <Industrial> guess I should just add fstab entries >_>
[10:01] <Unit193> I did that with my cifs share, worked better for me than gigolo by a good shot.
[10:38] <DemonWitch> Hey i got a laptop that uses 2 gpus, one integrated shared memory (intel) and one exclusive memory main gpu (nvidia). As a result the livecd shows blackscreen. What can i do?
[11:17] <recon_lap> hey, any way to get .php files to open by default with gedit?
[11:20] <recon_lap> never min, think i got it working, have to see if it sticks
[11:47] <xubuntu795> hi everypone
[11:48] <recon_lap> !hi | xubuntu795
[13:17] <nantou> how do I change permissions to a usb stick?
[13:18] <GridCube> it should be writable as you plug it in
[13:20] <nantou> GridCube, remember my not fresh upgrade to 12.10? but I managed to change permissions with sudo nautilus
[13:21] <GridCube> permissions to what?
[13:21] <nantou> and btw, what tips would you give to a newbie, if you sistematically upgrade with fresh installs?
[13:21] <nantou> to write and copy and execute
[13:22] <GridCube> i have 4 separated partitions on my drives, one for / one for /home other for /shared and the swap one, everytime i install a new version y simply change the files from / and check that the config files on /home wont mess things up, then i just upgrade and my files are safe, /share can be an ntfs partition shared with a windows on other disk
[13:26] <nantou> would it be of any help, in my non fresh installation, to add the 12.10 iso copy from an usb stick to my sources?
[13:28] <GridCube> not really
[13:31] <Andrea2804> ciao a tutti, ho pangolin e quando apro xfburn mi dice che non è disponibile alcuna unita' di masterizzazione (ma ho il masterizzatore esterno che con oneiric andava benissimo)
[13:31] <recon_lap> I then to stay on LTS versions, and do a reinstall every 2 years :) , got my home folder in it's own partition as well.
[13:32] <nantou> buon giorno a tu Andrea2804 , non parlamos italiano
[13:32] <Andrea2804> sorry
[13:32] <nantou> id really appreciate a correction to my broken italian
[13:33] <recon_lap> Andrea2804: #ubuntu-it
[13:33] <GridCube> !it | Andrea2804
[13:33] <Andrea2804> so in English: I have pangolin and when I start Xfburn it says that any burning device is available (I have a usb device that worked well with oneiric)
[13:35] <GridCube> Andrea2804: does other burners says the same? what lsusb says? its detected?
[13:36] <Andrea2804> I have no other burners, I can see it with lsusb
[13:36] <Andrea2804> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0409:0056 NEC Corp.
[13:37] <GridCube> does it have a blank cd on it?
[13:37] <recon_lap> Andrea2804: have you tried Brasero?
[13:38] <Andrea2804> Gridcube: if I put an empty dvd the problem with Xfburn doesn't change
[13:38] <GridCube> also do as recon_lap recommends, and try other burners, :) if this problem persist its not an issue of xfburn P:
[13:38] <Andrea2804> recon_lap: Brasero didn't help :(
[13:38] <GridCube> does it read non-blank dvds?
[13:39] <Andrea2804> it reads, but itàs not recognized as a writer
[13:39] <Andrea2804> it's
[13:39] <GridCube> yes i see
[13:39] <Andrea2804> I read some forums and I tried to modify the fstab file
[13:40] <Andrea2804> putting this line: /dev/sg2     /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[13:42] <GridCube> i would try adding rw to the user,noauto,exec,utf8,rw  << this means its read and write
[13:42] <GridCube> i would even just try adding auto instead of all that
[13:43] <GridCube> but you are using noauto so
[13:44] <Andrea2804> so you suggest auto and rw? :) itàs worth trying
[13:46] <GridCube> auto,rw are my usual settings when i dont understand what im doing
[13:48] <Andrea2804> :D
[15:05] <hhhzzzarn> anyone using dual monitors?
[15:06] <hhhzzzarn> more than one display on xubuntu?
[15:06] <holstein> hhhzzzarn: i do/have... i have used arandr for spanning.. the nvidia proprietary tool gives me an easy way to deal with it too, though thats just for nvidia (obviously)
[15:07] <hhhzzzarn> holstein, i have a netbook (small laptop), i connect through vga to a monitor
[15:07] <recon_lap> got two as well, not great setup though, have not spent the time to iron out the issues :)
[15:09] <holstein> hhhzzzarn: i have had good luck with arandr on my laptops
[15:09] <hhhzzzarn> when I have both display is use, the netbook display only shows a portion of the screen, while the monitor have two desktop backgroud images, a smaller (represting the netboot) and a full one.
[15:09] <hhhzzzarn> so I disable my netbook display.
[15:10] <hhhzzzarn> the problem happens when I try to re enable my netbook display, it will not turn back on. Also if I disconnect the vga cable, it will not automatically show on the netbook.
[15:10] <hhhzzzarn> I have to restart my computer to get it back on the netbook
[15:10] <hhhzzzarn> i will give it a try.
[15:11] <hhhzzzarn> although by looking at the gui screenshot, i thought it was very simple, same options as the default display manager for xubuntu
[15:11] <recon_lap> hhhzzzarn: enable both monitors and run this xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of LVDS1
[15:12] <recon_lap> hhhzzzarn: should let you use both monitors at once
[15:13] <hhhzzzarn> also, another general questions with ubuntu, xubuntu, I can not restart my computer. I press restart, it starts to logout, (possibly shutdown) and the gui shutsoff and while the computer power is still on, all I see is black.
[15:13] <hhhzzzarn> then I have to hold down the power button until it shuts off and reboot manualy.
[15:14] <GridCube> wich version are you using?
[15:14] <hhhzzzarn> 12.10
[15:14] <hhhzzzarn> it was happeneing with 12.04 ubuntu as well.
[15:14] <hhhzzzarn> happening*
[15:16] <hhhzzzarn> anyways.
[15:18] <recon_lap> hhhzzzarn: what netbook you got?
[15:19] <hhhzzzarn> acer aspire one d257, upgraded to 2gb ram, dual core 1.6
[15:20] <hhhzzzarn> just upgraded the ram to 2gb.
[15:20] <hhhzzzarn> you have one too?
[15:28] <recon_lap> hhhzzzarn: no, just have a nice setup guide for 1015pn , not sure if it any use to you though
[15:35] <chuck> Hi all
[15:39] <recon_lap> !hi | chuck
[15:43] <hhhzzzarn> go help at #ubuntu channel :)
[15:44] <chuck> I'm attempting to install an xubuntu desktop on top of a ubuntu server for vnc use, but i'm having issues getting past the login screen locally and when I VNC in I only get an xfce terminal emulator. Are there any guides handy for this kinda thing?
[15:45] <hhhzzzarn> chuck, I have experience with that before :)
[15:45] <hhhzzzarn> chuck, may I know what will you be using your gui server for :)
[15:46] <chuck> I want to try and get a few eve online clients running on it
[15:46] <hhhzzzarn> gamer server or bot client related maybe?
[15:46] <chuck> so i can remote into it while im away from home
[15:46] <hhhzzzarn> I had two good guides bookmarked last year. Let me try to find it for you.
[15:47] <chuck> thankyou :)
[15:48] <hhhzzzarn> it will take a while.
[15:48] <hhhzzzarn> because the other website forum that had the good guides is no longer running.
[15:51] <chuck> it sucks when that happens
[15:51] <GridCube> how do i easily play a mid file?
[15:51] <GridCube> :/
[15:51] <GridCube> it cant be that hard
[15:53] <hhhzzzarn> gridcube, did you searched it online first?
[15:53] <GridCube> hhhzzzarn: i did, but i just cant believe its so incredibly complex just to play a midi file
[15:53] <hhhzzzarn> chuck: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=977316
[15:54] <hhhzzzarn> chuck: you have to change the xstartup file for vnc.
[15:55] <recon_lap> GridCube: a midi file? dont you need midi hardware connected to do that.
[15:56] <GridCube> its... just a karaoke song...
[15:57] <GridCube> lol i need to patch the kernel just to play some midis XD
[15:57] <hhhzzzarn> gridcube: http://thameera.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/playing-midi-files-in-ubuntu/
[15:57] <recon_lap> GridCube: maybe with somthing like this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/bristol.1.html
[15:58] <GridCube> XD ajaja this is ridiculous
[15:58] <GridCube> !info bristol
[15:59] <recon_lap> GridCube: not really, midi files are not compressed audio files
[16:01] <hhhzzzarn> can't vlc play midi?
[16:01] <GridCube> not mine
[16:01] <GridCube> i've tryied
[16:09] <hhhzzzarn> have you tried the link i provided?
[16:10] <GridCube> hhhzzzarn: im doing that
[16:11] <GridCube> \o/ SUCCESS!
[16:11] <GridCube> thanks hhhzzzarn
[16:12] <hhhzzzarn> I do not consider myself as experienced as to provide help directly but I can good searching and keyword skills :)
[16:12] <GridCube> its funny because the midi was the final fantasy IV(II) victory fanfare so it felt expecially expecial!
[16:12] <hhhzzzarn> not can. am*
[16:12] <GridCube> hhhzzzarn: yeah me too, but i was just shocked most sites went to recommend kernel patches to play midis
[16:13] <hhhzzzarn> I always wanted to play final fantasy or atleast be in the game world but we never had a console
[16:13] <GridCube> me neither, but that never stoped me
[16:13] <hhhzzzarn> i don't think finaly fantasy is that realistically beautifull environments, does it?
[16:14] <hhhzzzarn> as good as the concept arts.
[16:14] <GridCube> i liked the old ones, pixels where awesome :D
[16:14] <GridCube> !ot
[16:14] <chuck> hhhzzzarn: Also Success! Thanks for the help. The link you gave me wasn't quite right but it put me onto the right track: http://potchery.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/xubuntu-via-vnc.html
[16:14] <GridCube> please join #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[16:16] <hhhzzzarn> I usually extract search keywords from those types to guide me.
[16:16] <hhhzzzarn> from those types of guides to guide me further.
[16:17] <hhhzzzarn> i did
[16:17] <hhhzzzarn> join #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <andrea> hy everyonr
[16:21] <andrea> everyone
[16:21] <andreOne> hy everyone
[16:22] <GridCube> !hi | andreOne
[16:22] <andreOne> hy i need help
[16:22] <andreOne> with videos on xubuntu
[16:22] <andreOne> i m not able to see any videos
[16:24] <hhhzzzarn> which type of videos?
[16:24] <hhhzzzarn> on youtube for example?
[16:25] <hhhzzzarn> have you installed the restricted extra package during installation (required internet connection)?
[16:29] <recon_lap> andreOne: also try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:29] <andreOne> i m on it right now
[16:31] <andreOne> to install the restricted extras package the system required me to uninstall the "libav codec library" and the "libav utility lybrary", does this sounds good to you?
[16:31] <GridCube> yes
[16:32] <andreOne> ok, than it should be working right?
[16:33] <andreOne> i download them from the software centre and thats it ?
[16:35] <hhhzzzarn> yes
[16:35] <hhhzzzarn> try your videos now.
[16:36] <andreOne> still downloading
[16:38] <andreOne> where are u guys from? im chatting from italy
[16:40] <GridCube> :) we are from all over the world, if you want to talk stuff thats not related to your problems please use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel :)
[16:40] <andreOne> sorry
[16:40] <GridCube> :D dont worry
[16:40] <andreOne> i m a newbe
[16:41] <GridCube> :) thats why i told you, so you learn :D
[16:41] <andreOne> thanks
[16:59] <mateusz_> hi
[16:59] <mateusz_> i have problem
[16:59] <mateusz_> i cant actualize my xubuntu
[16:59] <recon_lap> mateusz_: ??
[17:10] <TheSheep> recon_lap: he meant update
[17:29] <HunterZ> Is there a list somewhere of packages installed by Xubuntu 12.10 during a clean install?
[17:45] <Macuser> http://pastebin.com/AE3Mi8n4
[17:48] <Macuser> hey stonewall can you help me out with something?
[18:02] <HunterZ> Macuser: Boot a livecd that has partition editing tools, like this one: http://partedmagic.com/doku.php
[18:04] <recon_lap> all install disks have partition tools built in
[18:06] <recon_lap> just select "somthing else" and manually configure partitions
[19:05] <gonccalo> hi, where can i fing a xubuntu image for powerpc?
[19:06] <Unit193> There isn't one by default, but you may be able to use the mini ppc image.
[19:07] <Unit193> IIRC, Lubuntu is the only ppc version?
[19:10] <gonccalo> Only the Lubuntu works with powerpc?
[19:11] <Unit193> Not exactly what I meant, just that it may be the only one pre-built.
[19:11] <Unit193> !ppc
[19:13] <gonccalo> Thx
[19:36] <ncmccx> maybe some one can help me i have a laptop and installed xubuntu but thr brightness cant be adjusted
[19:52] <newb> desktop  sidebar /icons missing after installing ubuntu12.10
[19:54] <newb> any solutions ?
[19:59] <MrHotsauce> you may want to ask in #ubuntu newb as they may have an idea
[20:02] <newb> where is that  mrhotsauce ?
[20:02] <MrHotsauce> type /join #ubuntu
[20:02] <newb> ty
[20:02] <MrHotsauce> np
[20:03] <MrHotsauce> this room is specifically xubuntu related and your issue seems to be from ubuntu thats the reason im telling you to try asking them
[20:11] <AlmarPhudd> How long does the xubuntu download take, been all day so far
[20:12] <MrHotsauce> depends on your internet speeed
[20:12] <MrHotsauce> it only took me about 5 min
[21:29] <nantou> my appereance is now somewhat broken since the upgrade (not fresh) to 12.10: some Icons are double the regular size and break the menu, I cannot edit tracks in rythmbox, and the appereance is too a little weird: every time I pass the mouse on an icon a blue bar appears, every opened app has a blue bar as the menu bar (top of every app)
[21:29] <nantou> any tips?
[21:30] <nantou> now im running sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:31] <holstein> nantou: i would probably just make a new user, and see what things look like.. and think about removing some config files int he /home dir
[21:32] <nantou> holstein, which ones?
[21:33] <holstein> nantou: i wouldnt just start remvoing. i would test as a new user.. and then just start looking at the ones for the issues you are having... renaming and allowing new ones to "spawn".. from .config for example
[21:34] <nantou> aaa... I only have 5GB free space, enough?
[21:34] <holstein> should be..
[21:36] <nantou> i am my only user, can I log in as regular user without shutting the apps I am using right now?
[21:36] <nantou> I mean log in as user 2, then back as user 1 and all opened apps will still be there...
[21:38] <holstein> nantou: i would just ake a new user.. and loging as that user..
[22:31] <XATRIX> Hi guys, i have a problem, when i start my laptop, i receive a message about "Network service discovery disabled... avahi..."
[22:31] <XATRIX> How can i turn it off completely ? I have no avahi-service running in any runlevel
[22:31] <XATRIX> What is actually does this checks ?
[22:36] <David-A> XATRIX: your internet-service-provider's dns have a ".local" domain that should be more local. (a give in to Microsoft as I understand it). one solution is to use another dns, or to change a setting in one of your config files.
[22:37] <XATRIX> What kind of settings ?
[22:37] <XATRIX> And can i simply off these checks ?
[22:38] <David-A> XATRIX: there is a file where you can turn off that check, or you can change what DNS server you use (instead of your ISPs DNS). I dont have the details in my head. I changed DNS if I recall correctly.
[22:39] <XATRIX> I have no other DNS servers to use , just my current, or <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:40] <XATRIX> What if i simply do avahi remove from the system , is it an option ?
[22:41] <David-A> XATRIX: I don't remember having seen that as a good option. I think change dns is the best option if you want to have network printers and such to autoconfigure.
[22:42] <David-A> !avahi
[22:42] <XATRIX> I don't use such a things here :) So i don't have to have autoconfigured things so far...
[22:50] <nantou> applications menu doesnt respond to delete or move commands, what do I do?
[22:52] <holstein> !alacarte
[22:52] <holstein> well.. you can try alacarte... or http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[23:07] <David-A> XATRIX: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/327362 , it seems the easy solution is to edit /etc/default/avahi-daemon
[23:09] <David-A> ubottu: can you forward that to wherever xatrix went...
[23:11] <nady> hi
[23:23] <asterismo> hi
[23:23] <asterismo> yesterday network manager went nuts
[23:24] <asterismo> i'm using ubuntu 12.04
[23:24] <asterismo> xubuntu 12.04 i mean
[23:24] <asterismo> in a Samsung N150 Plus netbook
[23:24] <asterismo> and wireless is acting strange
[23:25] <asterismo> it cannot see my home network
[23:25] <asterismo> it only show the option to connect to a hidden network
[23:25] <asterismo> wtf?
[23:25] <asterismo> aby ideas?
[23:29] <nantou> what do these 2 commands do?
[23:29] <nantou>     sudo apt-get install aptitude && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:29] <nantou>     sudo apt-get update -f && sudo apt-get -f install
[23:34] <pimperle> hi
[23:36] <pimperle> i need a small tip. i installed xubuntu on my new ssd with full disk encryption. /home resides on a raid1, also encrypted. both use luks and lvm. Now i'd like to enter only one passphrase during boot. I could use a key for the /home raid, but then the keyfile will be accessible when the system runs. any ideas how i can make it such that i only have to add the key once?
[23:37] <pimperle> i thought of using gpg with a keyfile, but that would have to be decrypted twice as well (or be stored somewhere).