[04:34] <snadge> theres no way to install quantal yet without installing precise and updating?
[04:34] <snadge> its times like this.. i wish btrfs was stable ;)
[04:35] <snadge> i know that linux 3.4 breaks radeon graphics from experience.. so im not real keen on that just yet
[05:17] <astraljava> snadge: Gotta wait for when the first dailies get spun.
[05:18] <Fyodorovna> When do the dailies start I forget?
[05:20] <snadge> dunno.. im not waiting
[05:20] <snadge> im installing precise in a vm and dist upgrading :p
[05:20] <astraljava> I have no idea, tbh, but the first alpha is already early June.
[05:25] <snadge>  update-manager -d doesnt work for quantal ;)
[05:27] <snadge> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:27] <snadge> :1,$ s/precise/quantal/g
[05:27] <snadge> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:27] <snadge> :p
[05:39] <snadge> ok.. im running quantal
[05:39] <snadge> exciting ;)
[05:44] <snadge> nooo... wobble windows has been removed :P
[10:11] <bcuraboy> how can i set nautilus to load thumbnails?reason: in chrome when i want to upload a photo to a social network,the preview of the file doesn't show up...
[10:24] <bcuraboy> there's no nautilus elementary for ubuntu 12.04?
[12:52] <em> what's new in the next ubuntu?
[12:59] <penguin42> em: I'm not sure that's decided yet - it looks like UDS for Q is in a couple of days time
[13:01] <penguin42> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu  doesnt't show much assigned to quantal yet
[13:41] <philinux> penguin42: Regarding bug reporting in QQ. Is it worth reporting bugs before alpha 1 milestone?
[13:41]  * penguin42 isn't sure
[13:42] <penguin42> philinux: I'd guess only if you can track it down to a particular packag
[13:43] <philinux> penguin42: The repos for QQ will be in a state of flux just now so I assumed bug reporting would be a drain on resources until alpha1
[13:44] <philinux> or at least somewhere between tool chain upload and alpha1
[13:44] <penguin42> philinux: which is why I say if you can actually find there is definitely a bug in  a particular package then it's worth reporitng it just to make sure it gets fixed
[13:45] <philinux> penguin42: ah ok gotcha
[13:45] <snadge> anyone know what the story for quantal is yet? :P
[13:45] <snadge> new kernel.. new gcc... profit?
[13:46] <philinux> snadge: UDS 7th may
[13:46] <snadge> so nobody is going to screw with anything else until then.. im guessing the new kernel and new compiler is just the base to work from
[13:46] <snadge> so far so good.. i wouldn't bother reporting bugs with kernel 3.4, they're all pretty much known
[13:46] <penguin42> snadge: They're not necessarily that interrelated
[13:47] <snadge> 3.4 was designed purely to upset people
[13:47] <snadge> but it runs great in virtualbox.. so whos complaining
[13:48] <philinux> snadge: QQ is PP at the moment with minor changes so I would expect it to run ok
[13:48] <snadge> well i wouldn't call the kernel minor personally
[13:48] <snadge> it probably boots natively on 1 in 2 pcs
[13:48] <snadge> forget about display drivers etc :p
[13:49] <snadge> and gcc 4.6 -> 4.7 .. thats bound to break stuff
[13:49] <snadge> and thats before the devs have even tried to break stuff.. thats just given breakage to existing stuff ;)
[13:50] <snadge> entirely to be expected though
[13:51] <philinux> snadge: changelog not very busy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.4.0-1.3
[13:51] <snadge> the ABI has changed.. thats probably the biggest thing
[13:51] <snadge> im not sure what else has changed between precises 3.2 and 3.4 kernel
[13:53] <snadge> with any luck fglrx and nvidia drivers will be working by the time the alpha rolls around
[13:53] <philinux> snadge: Kernel team > http://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam/2012/05/02/quantal-linux-kernel-3-4-0-1-3-uploaded/
[13:53] <snadge> but that probably depends on whether its decided to update xorg to 1.12
[13:53] <philinux> Doesnt say much
[13:53] <snadge> or not
[13:54] <snadge> does that basically mean that as it stands now.. theres not much difference between mainline 3.4 and quantal 3.4?
[13:54] <penguin42> snadge: fglrx and nvidia almost never work by the time the alpha comes out!
[13:54] <snadge> well i managed to hack fglrx to work on 3.4 kernel
[13:54] <snadge> and im not a kernel dev
[13:55] <snadge> nor do i have the source to fglrx.. i just kludged the headers a bit
[13:55] <snadge> but it was a tad unstable
[13:55] <snadge> so i do know from experience there are a few changes there that amd and nvidia will have to deal with.. but they're probably not massive
[13:57] <snadge> it would be nice to get them onboard as quickly as possible.. because most people either dont have intel graphics.. or are unenthusiastic about using radeon/nouveau
[13:58] <snadge> thats probably the biggest thing that influences my decision whether to run it natively.. or in a vm.. asides from other general breakage
[14:10] <philinux> snadge: I always run the dev version on a disk 2 in my desktop
[14:10] <philinux> disk 1 has stable version on it
[14:16] <snadge> yeah i wont do that until i can be sure that i can display something in X
[14:17] <snadge> thats kind of a pre-requisite for me
[14:17] <philinux> snadge: Thats how i've done it for ages.
[14:19] <penguin42> Radeon driver works decently these days - certainly for my HD4350; it's not supposed to be as fast as the fglrx, but certainly it gets to the display and runs KDE OK
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:58] <eagles0513875> hi guys :)
[17:15] <KarmaComa> Hi, on Kubuntu 12.04 every time i disable DPMS i find it enabled itself after sometime!
[17:15] <bazhang> KarmaComa, #ubuntu for that
[17:15] <bazhang> or #kubuntu
[17:15] <KarmaComa> they told me to go here for precise
[17:16] <bazhang> they were wrong
[17:16] <KarmaComa> ok thanks
[17:16] <penguin42> Precise was here until it was released
[17:17] <KarmaComa> oh ok
[17:17] <penguin42> +1 is always 'the next one'
[17:28] <BluesKaj> penguin42, any word on when the "next one " is to be released for testing ?
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> hey guys
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> anyone having trouble booting up quantal?
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> seems to be network related
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> if I disable network interfaces, it boots ok
[17:30] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, using NM ?
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> ofc
[17:30] <BluesKaj> wireless laptop I suppose
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> I commented eth0 in interfaces and it works
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I already tried reverting wireless tools to no efect
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> but yes, laptop  with intel wifi card
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> 09:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030 (rev 34)
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[17:32] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, any chance you have an ethernet connection nearby ...upgrading to a new alpha release OS is always tricky with wifi
[17:33] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I managed to get it working.... disabling interfaces
[17:33] <BluesKaj> strange
[17:33] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I've upgraded to quantal the day precise was released :)
[17:34] <BluesKaj> did you do the change the name in the sources.list procedure/trick?
[17:36] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj:  ofc
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> there is no other way to upgrade, this soon
[17:40] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, sudo sed -i 's/precise/quantal/' /etc/apt/sources.list ? ...you realize that there can be some dependency problems if the repos aren't finished upgrading all the packages themselves
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: after working for a week?
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> on two diff laptops, on diff days, diff network and repos? :)
[17:47] <BluesKaj> really FernandoMiguel , hmm, maybe i should test it then , i have a spare HDD that i'm going to install inside my pc , maybe I'll try it on that
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> k
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> let me know what you find
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> I'll see if I can dig any logs and file a bug
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> maybe against NM
[17:49] <BluesKaj> well, I'm using ethernet , my house is totally wired with cat5
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> me too
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> at least on this one
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> on my office one it's wifi (broadcom)
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ..BBL


[06:46] <war10ck> Morning
[06:46] <war10ck> anybody knows why there is no evdev module in the menlow kernel package?
[07:03] <alek_desktop_> theseinfeld, could we talk here ?
[07:03] <alek_desktop_> my private msg was blocked
[07:10] <theseinfeld> ok
[07:11] <theseinfeld> so, alek_desktop_ are you the one with the menlow?
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[14:13] <Fenario> elmo: are you there?
[14:13] <StevenK> elmo isn't in this channel
[14:15] <Fenario> StevenK: thanks user error


[10:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, is there a master branch for natty for firefox 5?
[10:30] <Spaceeman> Salut :)
[10:31] <Spaceeman> Peut-on trouver ici des solutions concernant l'utilisation de Thunderbird ? (suis-je au bon endroit?)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> micahg, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-beta.natty
[10:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[10:35] <micahg> Spaceeman: we generally speak English in this channel :)
[10:39] <Spaceeman> ok, no problemo...
[10:39] <Spaceeman> I speak a litle bit English too...
[10:41] <Spaceeman> I've make a mistake, I think... About "mail button" on right-top, I've installed Thunderbird but Evolution stay launched...
[10:42] <Spaceeman> [10.04]
[10:43] <micahg> I don't think there's any indicator integration on 10.04 for Thunderbird
[10:44] <Spaceeman> Ho... Because I've changed in System → Preferences → "Prefered Applications...", selected Thunderbird for e-mail...
[10:46] <Spaceeman> Then I've clicked on the "mail button right top" and a dialog windows has apeare... asking me about Evolution, if I want it as default client... I've made a mistake then ! I've check the box "don't ask me again" and click Yes ("I wan Evolution as default...") fu**
[10:46] <Spaceeman> But so, the dialog d'ont apear again because I've check the box...
[10:47] <Spaceeman> (have you readed me ?)
[11:09] <fta> chrisccoulson, did you test ch yesterday?
[11:09] <chrisccoulson> fta - not yet, but i did get my VM set up quite late last night
[11:09] <chrisccoulson> i could test that now though
[11:10] <fta> chrisccoulson, please do. i tried on that build on oneiric and it works fine :P i'm lost
[11:10] <fta> -on
[11:12] <micahg> fta: BTW, the oneiric armel build is hung, I'm going to get someone to kill it an lamont to increase the timeout on the native builders for arm, so you can please remove the keep-alive script on your next archive upload? (I already got the non-arm builders up to 3 hours)
[11:16] <fta> micahg, i asked twice to kill it, they ignored me. I fixed the keep alive in trunk and dev already
[11:17] <micahg> fta: cool, thanks, I'll get it killed later today
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> oh, i've had 1 e-mail already from someone notifying me that natty-proposed has the latest firefox beta in it, thinking that it's a mistake
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> do people not understand what "natty-proposed" means when they opt in to it? :/
[11:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what's going to be funnier is if that's the final build and it gets pushed to -security :)
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg, heh
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> that's not the final build though, as we'll rebase the code from the release branch
[11:28] <micahg> I thought they said the final build wasn't coming from the release branch this time around
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> is it not?
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> oh, it has too, because the beta builds are enabled with the beta update channel
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> (which in turn, enables test-pilot)
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> **built with the beta update channel enabled (makes more sense)
[11:34] <micahg> well, since we don't use the update channel, in the future if the code is the same, I'd rather disable test pilot on our security uploads and prepare to ship it as the final build
[11:35] <micahg> otherwise there's no point in pushing to proposed or the security PPA until the final build is done (which is too late IMHO)
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> micahg, we use the update channel to enable test-pilot
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> security uploads won't have test-pilot enabled because they won't come from the beta channel
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> this is different, because we've uploaded a build from the beta channel
[12:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, but if that's the only difference between the beta and final release, I'd want to disable test pilot early and get more extended testing
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i'm not sure what you mean. the release builds will never have it enabled (which is what will be uploaded to ubuntu-mozilla-security in the future)
[12:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what I mean is that if there is no code difference between the final beta and the release build, I want to upload the final beta as the release build for us
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, we shouldn't do that. our build should be based on the code that they tag for release (which IIUC will be on a different branch)
[12:31] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum can probably tell us what happens next for firefox 5 ;)
[12:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if the plan is to do that the final week, that's not good enough, especially if there's no code difference, I"ll speak with leagnitto after this release to try to work out what's happening upstream,
[12:33] <bhearsum> hello!
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> hi bhearsum
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> so, we're all confused
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> we're trying to work out what the next stage of the process is for releasing firefox 5 :)
[12:36] <bhearsum> sure
[12:36] <bhearsum> so, at this point we think we're code complete, and 5.0b5 is the last thing we're planning to release to the beta audience
[12:36] <bhearsum> next week, we're going to merge mozilla-beta -> mozilla-release, and rebuild off of the same changeset
[12:36] <bhearsum> (the only difference will be the update channel we set)
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> ok, that's pretty much what i thought would happen :)
[12:37] <bhearsum> oh, and there's no Test Pilot in the build, either
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, that's why i thought there would have to be another build (to switch update channel and turn off test-pilot)
[12:37] <bhearsum> yep, you got it
[12:38] <bhearsum> in the future, we're talking about doing some sort of repack to change those things
[12:38] <bhearsum> but that won't happen for 5, and probably not 6 either
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, so, i guess there will be a few days between you tagging the release branch for release and actually releasing it?
[12:38] <micahg> right, so in the future, we (Ubuntu) should disable test pilot on the final beta so that we can have extended testing on the same build
[12:38] <bhearsum> i'm not 100% sure when we're building, to be honest. but it'll be sometime next week, because we're releasing a week from tuesday
[12:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg, well, we should just upload the release build to our PPA when mozilla start doing their build
[12:39] <chrisccoulson> i'd rather not start manually switching things off for the last build (which might end up not being the last build). all of that stuff happens automatically for us, without me having to do anything ;)
[12:40] <micahg> leagnitto's calendar has it scheduled for jun 15
[12:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'd rather have an extra week of user testing on the final build
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, well, that's probably not something i'm going to be doing though. the beta builds i provide are destined for the firefox-next PPA, and as such will have test-pilot enabled.
[12:41] <bhearsum> micahg: 15th for doing the build?
[12:41] <micahg> bhearsum: yep
[12:41] <bhearsum> huh, sounds like you have better info than me!
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> i don't want to start switching it on and off, as firefox-next users will get pretty confused :)
[12:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's fine, I'll do the uploads to the security PPA then
[12:41] <micahg> bhearsum<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:41] <bhearsum> ha
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, this appeared within about 30 minutes of us staging the beta - http://askubuntu.com/questions/48035/why-is-natty-proposed-suggesting-an-upgrade-to-a-beta-version-of-firefox ;)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> i'm surprised :)
[12:44] <micahg> bhearsum: are you saying that test pilot is off in beta 5?
[12:45] <bhearsum> micahg: nope - it's on
[12:45] <micahg> ok
[12:45] <micahg> yeah, so, we'll need another build :(
[12:46] <bhearsum> brb
[12:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: actually, I'm going to replace the beta next week with the final build in proposed
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg, why?. remember that the first build after the merge from beta -> release hasn't had any testing by anyone. isn't that a bit risky?
[12:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: because I want user testing on what's going to -security
[12:50] <micahg> and this beta didn't have any testing either when you uploaded it ;)
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg, well, the channel has had testing for several weeks (it wasn't the first build from that channel)
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> you're talking about uploading the first build straight after a merge, which nobody has tested ;)
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> i woudn't choose to do that, but that's up to you i guess ;)
[12:51] <micahg> I don't see much choice, I can wait one day
[12:54] <micahg> I guess I need to ask about that since the package versioning will be the same as final
[12:54]  * micahg e-mails legnitto
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> we definitely don't want anything suggesting a beta version in the version number of our release packages, even if it is the release build. be prepared for constant e-mails from people and having to explain how it's not really a beta if you do that ;)
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> i had the same with the RC of firefox 4
[12:56] <bhearsum> back
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> people kept asking me why we still had the RC in the archive, weeks after release
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> in the end, i just caved in and did another upload, just to change the version number of the package ;)
[12:57] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: to be fair, the "merge" that's going to happen is more of a "overwrite mozillla-release with mozilla-beta"
[12:57] <bhearsum> it just happens to be called a merge in hg nomenclature :)
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, ok, that's not so bad
[12:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I might version the beta builds differently, I need to see how this plays out in the "final" versioning
[12:59] <micahg> but what I do know is we want as much testing as possible on these builds, so I"m going to do what I can to make that happen
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> fta - i tested the chromium build from your PPA on natty, and i don;t see the same issue as before
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> but it still doesn't really work properly (I get a frame every 5 seconds or so), but i'm not sure if that's a virtualbox issue ;)
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> i guess i should try downgrading again
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> oh, downgrading chromium didn't work too well :(
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> i get a cache read error on every page i've previously visited :/
[13:28] <fta> uh
[13:29] <fta> chrisccoulson, when i downgrade, i usually test with --temp-profile so it doesn't touch my own stuff
[13:32] <fta> dpm, hi, the ca@valencia patch landed a few days ago in trunk, could you ask whoever is concerned to test with the dailies?
[13:50] <fta> bug<PHONE_NUMBER>50<PHONE_NUMBER>05 590699
[13:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588044 in launchpad "lp API not reporting copied packages" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588044
[13:50] <fta> grrr
[13:51] <fta> bug 588050 bug 588062 bug 590705 bug 590699
[13:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588050 in launchpad "green builds not visible in mixed series" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588050
[13:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588062 in launchpad "Expose date_started for builds" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588062
[13:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 590705 in launchpad "New Build api exposed via 'beta' rather than 'devel'" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590705
[13:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 590699 in launchpad "IBuildFarmJob.date_first_dispatched is None" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590699
[13:51] <fta> Triaged most probably mean i-don't-care
[13:51] <fta> +s
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, what will the release branch be called btw? is it going to be releases/mozilla-release ?
[14:09] <bhearsum> hmmm, i'm not 100% sure but i would bet on releases/mozilla-release
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> ok, thanks
[14:11] <bhearsum> i'll let you know when i find out :)
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> oh, i just saw https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645288. i guess we should do that too :)
[14:25] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 645288 in Installer "Associate the webm file extension with Firefox" [Normal,Verified: fixed]
[14:50] <dpm> fta, ca@valencia confirmed to be working in the dailies
[14:51] <fta> dpm, good, we just need the chromium_strings template now then i can whitelist it in the next stable release
[14:51] <fta> (and i will need to backport the fix too)
[14:53] <dpm> fta, what do you mean "we need chromium_strings template"? Is this something for the ca@valencia translator to do?
[14:54] <fta> dpm, yes, https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/ca@valencia
[14:55] <fta> dpm, the desktop file would be nice to have too
[14:57] <dpm> fta, ok, let me take care of the desktop file, that's just a matter of minutes
[14:57] <dpm> we'll take care of the other template too
[14:58] <fta> thanks
[15:11] <dpm> fta, what's the current situation with the 'inspector-strings' template? Are the inspector translations loaded already? I seem to remember you told me that it wasn't working when we first opened translations
[15:12] <fta> dpm, upstream doesn't want it translated so no effort has been made to fix the problem
[15:12] <fta> i should probably remove it
[15:13] <dpm> fta, oh, did they give any particular reason for not wanting it translated?
[15:14] <fta> dpm, well, most devs speak english.. also, my poll showed little interest
[16:14] <fta> dpm, just curious, why did you stop at 3 out of 6 strings?
[16:17] <dpm> fta, I started doing the ca@valencia translation, then realized I should do the ca one as well, finished that one, and then got sidetracked ;)
[16:17] <fta> oh, ok
[16:20] <fta> dpm, fyi, i will upstream another batch of 500 strings later today, on top of the 21000+ already upstreamed
[16:21] <dpm> fta, cool
[16:27] <fta> dpm, i guess there's still a gap though. i never touched the extra per lang locale_settings_linux pref. so i assume some of the new lang we've introduced look weird
[16:27] <fta> langS
[16:27] <fta> prefS
[16:28] <fta> probably all non-ascii
[16:29] <fta> i meant, iso-latin15
[16:30] <fta> like the default fonts & sizes: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromium.git;a=blob_plain;f=chrome/app/resources/locale_settings_linux.grd;hb=HEAD
[16:31] <fta> and the dialog sizes: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromium.git;a=blob_plain;f=chrome/app/resources/locale_settings.grd;hb=HEAD
[16:32] <fta> dpm, ^^
[16:36] <dpm> fta, we should perhaps reach out to the teams from these new langs and explicitly ask for testing and feedback?
[16:37] <fta> dpm, yep, but i don't see how they could experiment with those without patching & building :(
[16:38] <dpm> fta, well, we can start small and first of all ask them to test if the in current builds the size of fonts and dialogs look ok for them
[16:41] <fta> dpm, maybe ask each team to provide a screenshot in their lang, providing a model (showing the main ui with a page & some dialogs)
[16:42] <fta> dpm, ..so we can see for ourselves which langs need work in priority
[16:43] <dpm> fta, yeah, that'd be a start. Do you have a list of new languages I should start contacting teams for?
[16:47] <fta> dpm, ast ca-valencia eo eu gl hy ka ku ug   (but some have just a few strings)
[16:49] <dpm> ok, let me write the teams an e-mail (we can get ca-valencia out of the list, as it has the same metrics as ca)
[19:05] <fta> micahg, gasp, after the timeouts, it's the out-of-memory :(
[19:05] <fta> micahg, i really need gold
[19:06] <fta> (who doesn't?) ;)
[19:39] <micahg> fta: well, I still need to talk to doko, will have to do that monday, is this for 14 or earlier?
[19:58] <fta> micahg, M14 died 3 times already in the last few days, wgrant told me it's OOM. i guess some builders have less memory
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, hate mono
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> hah - po2xpi: Development -> Abandoned!
[20:13] <micahg> fta: yeah, do you know which builders?  I can see about increasing the RAM maybe
[20:13] <micahg> RAM or swap
[20:14] <fta> micahg, pluot just died M14/oneiric/amd64
[20:14] <fta> +on
[20:15] <micahg> fta: k, will research with lamont
[21:07] <fta> micahg, M14 is now buildable with gcc 4.6
[21:07] <micahg> fta: awesome
[21:08] <micahg> now we just need to make sure we don't lose support for 4.4 over the next 2 years :)(
[21:12] <fta> won't happen, upstream supports the LTS
[21:13] <fta> micahg, please add http://videojs.com/ to your regression tests. there's a yellow banner at the top when html5 video is not supported
[21:15] <micahg> fta: cool, thanks
[21:15] <micahg> I'm about to run chromium through now (was off the last 2 days)
[21:29] <fta> micahg, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/html5-video.png
[21:30] <micahg> fta: cool, can I add that png to our documentation?
[21:31] <fta> sure
[21:32] <micahg> thanks
[21:32] <fta> both are chromium, natty in the back, oneiric in the front
[21:52] <fta> micahg, 'king' was able to link. could you check how much memory 'king' and 'pluot' have?
[22:14] <micahg> fta: yep
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you see i subscribed you to the natty release branch? i did a bit of housekeeping with all of our branches ;)
[22:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I don't see it
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> oh, i wasn't sure if you get notifications when someone else subscribes you to a branch
[22:33] <micahg> but thanks
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> finally, moonlight is working on natty :)
[23:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: any idea on bug 795766
[23:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 795766 in firefox "FF Sync: Wrong password but it is the correct password." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795766
[23:18] <fta> bug 794976
[23:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 794976 in apport "ubuntu-bug opens Firefox when Chromium is the default web browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794976
[23:19] <micahg> that sounds like an old problem
[23:20] <micahg> but apport probably doesn't use x-www-browser but xdg-open
[23:26] <JanC> there is also the setting in GNOME (or whatever DE)


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[01:10] <pochu> is that just me, or the edit arrow next to the status and importance isn't there anymore?
[01:10] <emgent> heya people
[01:15] <mpt> pochu, just you, I think
[01:16] <pochu> i see [edit] Confirmed now in every bug report
[01:20] <mpt> pochu, perhaps the image got corrupted somewhere last time you loaded it, so your browser's showing the alternate text instead.
[01:20] <mpt> pochu, what happens if you load <https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/@@/bug-status-expand>?
[01:24] <pochu> mpt: literally? " Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[01:24] <mpt> There's your problem, then :-)
[01:26] <kiko> pochu, that's fantastic. it works for me!
[01:26] <pochu> but I can see the rest of Launchpad...
[01:26]  * pochu tries with Epiphany :)
[01:26] <pochu> ok, it loads on ephy, forget it then :)
[07:29] <poolie> i love the new display of ppa build status
[07:29] <poolie> well done!
[08:07] <Fujitsu> cprov: I really like the new +builds, except for the misaligned statuses.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> And the gap on the left where there used to be a portlet isn't great.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> And having the arch in parentheses next to the builder name is now superfluous. But all in all, a very good idea.
[08:10] <cprov> Fujitsu: yes, a not aligned status is a known bug. I will look into this at some point today.
[09:33] <carlos> morning
[10:55] <zoli21> Hi! I would like to develop a GPL software on the launchpad, but I don't want to make it public some parts on the beginning stage of the development.
[10:56] <zoli21> other words, is it possible to have a private bazaar branch on launchpad?
[11:04] <jamesh> zoli21: you probably want to talk to Elliot Murphy about that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <zoli21> thx
[11:07] <eMTee> Hi, anyone knows is there any way to use simple text formatting in the Answers' or Bugs' comments? I mean bold, italic, etc...
[11:09] <Fujitsu> eMTee: There is no way to do that at this point.
[11:09] <eMTee> thx
[11:12] <eMTee> also I can't find a way to edit/remove existing user comments. Is it also impossible?
[11:14] <Fujitsu> Without asking an admin, it is not possible.
[11:15] <eMTee> I have rights to edit a question. Can't edit the comments though
[11:17] <eMTee> Don't know how many userlevels exist I am a member of the project team
[11:23] <Fujitsu> A Launchpad admin, not a project admin.
[11:23] <eMTee> ty
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #200643 in soyuz "PPA subscription/feed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200643
[11:27] <ubotu> New bug: #210031 in launchpad-bazaar "Strange OOPS in branch puller" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210031
[11:29] <ubotu> New bug: #209932 in malone "mail attachments in a new bug report don't end in the new bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209932
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #209902 in launchpad "Pygpgme can raise Invalid crypto engine importing new key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209902
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #209892 in launchpad-bazaar "LaunchpadValidationError raised while registering a branch using the xmlrpc interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209892
[11:32] <ubotu> New bug: #209834 in malone "Unable to use a full url when adding a bzr branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209834
[11:53] <BUGabundo> kiko-zzz: just to let you know that I was able to post via email without trouble
[11:53] <BUGabundo> but malone doesn't send an acknolage
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #210165 in launchpad-bazaar "BugBranch links created after pushing a copy of a branch with "bugs" revision properties" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210165
[12:57] <kiko-zzz> BUGabundo, well, you get a bugmail for your report, right?
[12:58] <ubotu> New bug: #210185 in soyuz "Upload processor should check for a available chroot before creating builds" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210185
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #210187 in launchpad "should fill in 'report bug' form from existing search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210187
[13:19] <BUGabundo> kiko-zzz: not on gmail. it just absorves the reply if equal to sent
[13:20] <afflux> anyone able to fix the bugtracker url for project "cowbell"? It actually uses the gnome bts.
[13:40] <kiko-zzz> afflux, let me check.
[13:40] <afflux> kiko-zzz: thanks
[13:41] <kiko-zzz> BUGabundo, well, fix gmail then.
[13:41] <BUGabundo> kiko-zzz: shouldn't you be asleep ?
[13:41] <BUGabundo> lolol
[13:41] <BUGabundo> I would like to fix it, indead
[13:41] <BUGabundo> eheh kiko
[13:41] <BUGabundo> but you know how google is
[13:42] <BUGabundo> its there way, or NO way
[13:42] <kiko> afflux, what happened to the trac that they used to use it?
[13:42] <BUGabundo> they are as bad as AM$FT
[13:42] <afflux> kiko: check http://trac.more-cowbell.org/, it says it moved to gnome-bugs "in an effort to make  cowbell's developement more open"
[13:42] <kiko> gotcha.
[13:43] <kiko> afflux, updated.
[13:43] <afflux> kiko: thanks!
[14:02] <doko> how do I subscribe to a LP beta mailing list, the email I got asks to visit https://xmlrpc.lp.internal/~doko/+editemails
[14:04] <kiko> doko, is that not an old email?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> nice link
[14:07] <BUGabundo> that's the second time I see an internal link leak to public
[14:07] <BUGabundo> lolol
[14:08] <doko> kiko: last week, ahh I see LP now has the support ...
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #210233 in launchpad "Close the poll when a known number of votes is reached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210233
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #210239 in malone "checkwatches logs don't give enough information on error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210239
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #210240 in launchpad "checkwatches OOPSes needs to be better grouped and categorized" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210240
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #210249 in launchpad "Project registration page should prominently state how to request a project group" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210249
[15:31] <ubotu> New bug: #210272 in shipit "Make it possible to specify the architectures available for each flavour in config variables" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210272
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #210277 in malone "Allow explicitly terminating the processing of email commands" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210277
[15:50] <qense> Does malone support watching tickets from Trac?
[15:53] <ubotu> New bug: #210275 in malone "Process each email command in its own transaction" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210275
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #210296 in launchpad "lpnet configs lack critical build_host_name config key" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210296
[16:36] <directhex|work> i'm trying to set up my first PPA. is there any reason why the .orig.tar.gz file wouldn't be uploaded by dput (leading to a build failure)?
[16:42] <ubotu> New bug: #210304 in launchpad-bazaar ""Mark as merged" form has wrong revision number as default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210304
[16:59] <ubotu> New bug: #210312 in launchpad-answers "cannot edit the language of the question" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210312
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #210331 in launchpad "confusing karma summary messages about answers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210331
[19:14] <aVirulence> kiko-afk, hi, did you have a chance to look at my question regarding the translations?
[19:28] <kiko> danilos, jtv, can you check out aVirulence's question?
[19:29] <jtv> kiko: looking...
[19:29] <aVirulence> kiko, thank you
[19:32] <danilos> aVirulence: can you please point us at the question?
[19:32] <aVirulence> danilos, jtv: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/28564
[19:32] <jtv> aVirulence: took us a bit longer to find it because we looked on Launchpad Translations ("rosetta") first.
[19:33] <aVirulence> ah, sorry about that
[19:39] <jtv> aVirulence: it could be because the upload option is context-sensitive.  If you browsed to the one template and then uploaded the other from there, then you'd get the new template being "hooked up in the wrong place."
[19:40] <aVirulence> jtv, is it fixable?
[19:41] <jtv> aVirulence: if you'll just re-upload the other template, we can re-import this one specifically under documentation.
[19:43] <aVirulence> jtv, Okay, I'll re-upload the other template now
[19:43] <aVirulence> done
[19:45] <kiko> jtv, hmmm, that might be an anti-feature eh?
[19:48] <jtv> kiko: we were just discussing that...
[19:50] <beuno> is there anyway to change a projects URL?
[19:52] <kiko> beuno, yes. what project?
[19:52] <beuno> kiko, https://edge.launchpad.net/geditbzr, should be https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr-gedit
[19:53] <kiko> beuno, and jaview won't be upset?
[19:53] <beuno> kiko, on the contrary, he asked me if he could instead of creating a new one
[19:53] <beuno> I requested he change it to comply with the current naming we use with bzr projects
[19:54] <beuno> I can get him in here if you prefer
[19:54] <kiko> beuno, your wish is my command
[19:54] <kiko> https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr-gedit
[19:54] <beuno> kiko, you rock  :)
[19:55] <aVirulence> jtv, should I upload the documentation template as well?
[19:55]  * beuno writes down "buy kiko a beer" for next time he sees him
[19:55] <jtv> aVirulence: no need, we just kicked it back into import.
[19:57] <kiko> beuno, very good very good
[19:57] <aVirulence> jtv, ah well, because the documentation is still in the application template and there is nothing in the documentation template. I'm not impatient or anything, I was just wondering if it should be okay now.
[19:57] <kiko> it's supposed to be imported by pixies
[19:57] <jtv> kiko: WE ARE NOT PIXIES
[19:57] <kiko> fairies
[19:58] <jtv> aVirulence: the import that was done is done.  But the new one will override it.
[19:58] <aVirulence> jtv, good, thanks :)
[20:24] <aVirulence> jtv. what does it mean if a translation file is 'approved' on the import queue page. There are some of my files that are 'imported', but the messages.pot is 'approved' but not 'imported'
[20:24] <aVirulence> hmm
[20:24] <kiko> aVirulence, it means it's going to be imported by the pixies
[20:25] <kiko> when cron activates them
[20:25] <aVirulence> aah, okay, so is it manually approved, but automatically imported?
[20:25] <kiko> yep
[20:26] <aVirulence> kiko, and magically, at the same moment, I got an e-mail and everything is fixed! yay, magically indeed, thanks all for your help
[20:26] <kiko> no problems :)
[20:50] <timlinux> hi
[20:51] <timlinux> in my .dput.cf file if uploading to a team ppa, what should I put for ncoming = ~?????/ubuntu/ ?
[20:51] <timlinux> the team name or my username?
[20:52] <kiko> timlinux, the team name.
[20:52] <timlinux> kiko ok thanks
[20:52] <timlinux> kiko and the tilde is still needed in front?
[20:53] <kiko> yes, I believe so
[20:53] <timlinux> k thanks
[21:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #210439 in malone "checkwatches logging is too verbose" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210439
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #209785 in apport (main) "Unsuccessful reporting when network is not configured (dup-of: 99127)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209785
[21:29] <aVirulence> ok, I'm more than half way through the dutch translation
[22:19] <mdke> what's the fastest way to push to Launchpad? bzr+ssh or sftp?
[22:19] <beuno> mdke, bzr+ssh
[22:19] <beuno> (yes, I'm everywhere)
[22:20] <beuno> bzr+ssh uses the smart server and is much more inteligent about what is transfers
[22:20] <mdke> super-beuno!
[22:20] <mdke> thanks
[22:21] <beuno> :)


[01:27] <swift110> oh ok
[05:40] <error> anyone??
[05:40] <kernal> error
[05:40] <error> yap
[05:41] <Guest75020> some problem with my mate?
[12:47] <ole_denmark> Hello friends. I get fail by install google chrom
[12:47] <ole_denmark> what can i do?
[12:48] <ole_denmark> I have tried to restall but get the same
[12:49] <ole_denmark> whem i run firefox then google.dk all is ok
[12:51] <ole_denmark> i am running ubuntu mate 16.04
[12:53] <ole_denmark> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[12:53] <ole_denmark> Release:	16.04
[12:53] <ole_denmark> Codename:	xenial
[12:53] <ole_denmark> ole@ole:~$
[12:56] <ole_denmark> ok all sleeping here i go again Ole
[12:56] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, what happened?
[12:57] <ole_denmark> ok diogenes  i can't install chrome on my mate
[12:57] <diogenes_> don't tell me that you're trying it on PI
[12:58] <ole_denmark> what do you mean with PI
[12:58] <diogenes_> Raspberry PI
[12:59] <diogenes_> because yesterday it was an entire avalanche of users on PI
[12:59] <ole_denmark> o i don't have this litle computer but think i will bye it
[12:59] <diogenes_> ok ole_denmark what error you get when you try to install chrome?
[13:00] <ole_denmark> i get a manfesterror
[13:00] <ole_denmark> manifest
[13:00] <diogenes_> how do you install chrome?
[13:01] <ole_denmark> i call google.dk write googlechrome 32 bir mate and get a debibin data
[13:01] <ole_denmark> debian
[13:02] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, there is no google-chrome 32 bit, there is chromium 32 bit
[13:02] <ole_denmark> then i install with dgbi
[13:03] <ole_denmark> ok but i have a debian data in my system
[13:03] <ole_denmark> maybe i wrote chrome
[13:03] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, is it a 32 bit debian? (no clue if debian still supports 32)
[13:04] <ole_denmark> google.dk is ok
[13:05] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, open terminal, run this command: lsb_release -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:05] <diogenes_> you will get a link, copy and paste the link in here
[13:06] <ole_denmark> yes will you send it to me please
[13:06] <ole_denmark> ore shall i find it ?
[13:06] <ole_denmark> or
[13:07] <ole_denmark> exuse
[13:07] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, nevermind, just here in this chat, write this: /exec arch click enter
[13:08] <diogenes_> only: /exec arch
[13:09] <ole_denmark> https://google-chrome.en.uptodown.com/ubuntu
[13:10] <diogenes_> !dk | ole_denmark
[13:11] <ole_denmark> ok i try you get answer later i must go to kitchen and get coffe
[13:11] <ole_denmark> ubutto og thanks
[13:11] <diogenes_> yep, I think fe failed to understand each other, language barrier :)
[13:12] <ole_denmark> yes but there are no people there
[13:12] <ole_denmark> i come again
[13:12] <diogenes_> ok
[13:53] <ole_denmark> There are no people on the danish channels
[13:54] <ole_denmark> I was waiting 10 minutes
[13:55] <ole_denmark> diogenes  can you run teamviewer ?  and if  will you ??
[13:56] <diogenes_> yes but you have to wait
[13:56] <ole_denmark> 10 ninutes   hi hi
[13:58] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, ok I can try to help you
[13:59] <ole_denmark> ok my problem was  i could  install chrome
[13:59] <diogenes_> you could or could not?
[14:00] <ole_denmark> i could get a crome.db but i got a fail by instal with gdeb
[14:01] <ole_denmark> i can start teamviewer if nessesary
[14:02] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, ok but write to me in private
[14:03] <ole_denmark> i am newebeginner with this asystem  but knoe ubuntu
[14:03] <ole_denmark> know
[14:06] <diogenes_> ole_denmark, I've got roughly 15 minutes so if you want me to help, write a private message to me
[14:06] <ole_denmark> i wrote #diogenes
[14:07] <diogenes_> lol
[14:07] <diogenes_> ok
[14:17] <hoshi411> Just wanted to know if anyone could point me in the direction of getting info about the ubuntu mate lock screen configuration
[14:17] <hoshi411> I want to get onboard working in the lock screen if I can
[14:18] <hoshi411> I know that other distros prevent this for security reasons but.... It also kind of defeats the purpose of using an onscreen keyboard.
[14:18] <hoshi411> I don't know what the Ubuntu Mate community stance is on the subject but ....
[14:18] <hoshi411> I'd like to get it working if I can
[14:20] <hoshi411> there is actually nothing in the folder /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/
[14:20] <hoshi411> Im guessing it may be a systemd thing?
[15:20] <CrazyTux> hello, has anyone here tried Mutiny tweak on Ubuntu Mate?
[15:20] <CrazyTux> the Trash icon is not working.
[18:18] <Tecan> https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/928
[18:39] <pi__> Hello?
[19:37] <swift110-phone_> Hey
[19:49] <mate|29514> Hello. I just installed 17.10 on an old laptop. WebkitWebProcess 61 has really high CPU usage. Is there any way to reduce it? My laptop has horrible cooling.
[19:53] <alkisg> That's the browser, it needs cpu to browse
[19:53] <alkisg> Try firefox as well
[19:54] <snooroot> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: AMD E2-9000 RADEON R2, 4 COMPUTE CORES 2C+2G (1,80GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,4 Gio Total (1,9 Gio Free) Swap: 2,0 Gio Total (2,0 Gio Free) • Storage: 58,7 Go / 486,0 Go (427,4 Go Free) • VGA: 1002:98e4 @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Viewcast COM • Uptime: 1h 13m 10s
[21:38] <mate|7654> hi
[21:38] <kernal> ho
[21:40] <mate|7654> where are you from?)
[21:40] <kernal> Australia
[21:41] <mate|7654> hello from Ukraine
[21:42] <kernal> G'day
[22:03] <swift110> he kernal
[22:04] <kernal> hey swifty


[00:30] <emgent> heya
[01:55] <skipper> Hi, I have created a package for pwdhash and uploaded it to REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pwdhash It's now almost a month ago. No one is interesting in reviewing or have I to do something?
[01:59] <Laney> skipper: I think we just have to wait. I have one on there too :)
[02:00] <Laney> Sometimes the MOTUs have REVU days where everyone focuses on reviewing packages on there, maybe there will be one soon
[02:02] <skipper> then I will wait
[02:03] <wgrant> So now we have a proposal for -proposed-proposed. Great.
[02:08] <ScottK> wgrant: May as well get -proposed-proposed-proposed while we're at it, just to be safe.
[02:08] <ScottK> No one seems to be jumping on my "Just don't leave proposed on all the time" solution.
[02:08] <skipper> sounds a litte bit like m*cr*s*ft. they create patches for patches for patches. ;)
[02:15] <wgrant> ScottK: I leave -proposed on all the time, but that's because I can't upgrade to Intrepid like I usually do.
[02:16] <ScottK> Right, but wouldn't you agree that's not the general/supported case for it?
[02:22] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:34] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[02:35] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[02:51] <RAOF> Hey bddebian, ScottK
[02:51] <bddebian> Heya RAOF
[04:09] <fale> hello
[04:10] <fale> how can I put a package on PPA that requires cmake?
[04:13] <persia> fale: Take a look at some of the packages returned by `grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends cmake -sPackage /var/lib/apt/lists/*hardy_universe_source_Sources` for examples using cmake
[04:14] <fale> persia: my question is: PPA can compile my package if my package to be compiled required cmake?
[04:15] <persia> fale: If the package is constructed correctly to call cmake properly, yes
[04:17] <fale> persia: :)
[04:18] <fale> persia: I'll try
[04:18] <fale> persia: I have to upload the cmake folder?
[04:18]  * TheMuso glances over the email about debian policy <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:18] <ScottK> README.Source seems to be the one that will most commonly affect packages
[04:18] <persia> fale: I'm not sure.  The command I provided before will give examples of packages using cmake
[04:19] <fale> persia: ok, I'll check iy :)
[04:19] <TheMuso> ScottK: Yeah.
[04:19] <persia> I like the addition of "how to patch this for compilation" to README.Source
[04:20]  * ScottK prepares a macro for "Read man dpatch-edit-patch" and "Read man cdbs-edit-patch."
[04:22] <persia> heh
[04:23] <ScottK> I think it's useful for obscure systems but overkill for the common cases.
[04:24] <ajmitch> "Take this double-ROT13-encoded patch, run it through this hideous perl filter, reindent it all to apply, and then reboot"
[04:25] <persia> double-ROT13-encoding?  How does that work for punctuation?
[04:26] <ajmitch> who needs punctuation?
[04:26] <persia> Ah.  Right.  I hadn't sufficiently considered the perl filter
[04:26] <ajmitch> it's as obsolete as correct grammar these days
[04:36] <TheMuso> Nothing like policy changes to keep you on your toes.
[04:36] <ajmitch> it makes life exciting
[04:36] <ajmitch> of course I'll still trying to keep up with changes from 2+ years ago
[05:00] <moquist> if somebody could take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=vpnywhere I'd appreciate it.
[07:31] <theseinfeld> hi all
[07:31] <theseinfeld> is there a way to install autobuilder for Ubuntu?
[07:32] <theseinfeld> Do I follow the Debian steps or is there something more Ubuntu like?
[07:38] <RAOF> theseinfeld: Why are you asking this in #ubuntu-motu? :)
[07:39] <theseinfeld> because you are the masterst of the universe :)
[07:39] <theseinfeld> ?
[07:40] <RAOF> I don't know what autobuilder is, but this doesn't sound like a question about the development of Ubuntu; you may have more luck in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 (if you're using Intrepid)
[07:41] <theseinfeld> well, it is about building packages, but not on ppa/revu
[07:41] <theseinfeld> :D
[07:41] <theseinfeld> I will try with #ubuntu channel. Thanks
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <Hobbsee_> morning!
[07:42] <theseinfeld> morning
[07:42] <RAOF> 'lo, dholbach.
[07:43] <Hobbsee_> theseinfeld: you likely do follow debian's instructions, but this is really not a support channel.
[07:43] <dholbach> hi RAOF, hobbsee, theseinfeld :)
[07:43] <theseinfeld> thanks Hobbsee
[07:43] <theseinfeld> then, anybody up for the http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libdc1394-22
[07:43] <theseinfeld> It has been there since February?
[07:43] <theseinfeld> :D
[07:47] <theseinfeld> even lool is active this morning :)
[09:10] <huats> morning everyone
[09:46] <Laney> Howdy all
[09:46] <Laney> Anyone got a merge free for the taking?
[09:47] <Laney> \sh: Mind if I do paprefs?
[09:47] <persia> Laney: Not Debian merges, but there's heaps of upstream merges outstanding, if you like.
[09:47] <persia> Take a look at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs
[09:48] <persia> Err http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[09:53] <Laney> persia: I've not done one of these before, do I have to ping anyone beforehand?
[09:54] <persia> Laney: It's about the same as a merge.  You don't have to do anything, but people get annoyed when you don't collaborate.  Best to check with the last uploader, and specific maintainer, and look for bugs on LP.
[09:54] <persia> s/and spe/or spe/
[09:56] <persia> The key difference between a upstream merge and a debian merge is that the thing to attach to your bug is the new diff.gz, rather than the debdiff against Debian.
[10:11] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[11:05] <DktrKranz> pitti, doko: regarding bug 237083, is there any available test case to check if proposed update is good?
[11:05] <DktrKranz> mh... wrong chan...
[11:11] <doko> DktrKranz: just one? glassfish should be checked with the new build to test the keystore problems, netbeans started to see the fontconfig problem. you can check in intrepid as well. same package
[11:38] <ruiboon> hi. is there any macro that automatically fills in the build-depends field in debian/control ?
[11:42] <persia> ruiboon: No, and you wouldn't want one, as sometimes you want to compile with, or not compile with some library supported by the application.
[11:42] <ruiboon> persia: thanks. i guess i have to fill it in myself
[11:44] <persia> ruiboon: Typically the README or INSTALL file in the source ought tell you which libraries you need, which ought get you 80% of the way there.
[11:47] <ruiboon> persia: ah.. that helps. thanks
[13:54] <norsetto> heya
[13:54] <sebner> huhu norsetto
[13:54] <norsetto> huhu sebner
[13:56] <lukehasnoname> good morning all
[13:56] <norsetto> morning lukehasnoname
[13:57] <sistpoty|work> hi norsetto
[13:57] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: heya master
[14:01] <huats> norsetto:  hello my friend
[14:01] <norsetto> huats: THE huats!
[14:02] <huats> norsetto: THE norsetto
[14:02] <huats> ;)
[14:11] <effie_jayx> dholbach, i was working on the package. I must change conflict/replace to make sure all packages get updated
[14:12] <dholbach> effie_jayx: that sounds about right
[14:17] <effie_jayx> I initially thought of libbakery-common but all three packages have to replace ubuntu old ubuntu versions
[14:18] <superm1> where's that nifty webpage i saw posted here at some point that lists SRU's and all of their statuses?
[14:18] <dholbach> effie_jayx: really?
[14:19] <effie_jayx> Since all previous versions in debian replace 2.3, i was just wondering
[14:21] <dholbach> effie_jayx: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html - you need conflicts/replaces if files move from one package to another
[14:21] <dholbach> effie_jayx: I thought it was only libbakery2.4-common and libbakery-common that had files moving around
[14:22] <effie_jayx> Doesn't the package leave the old 0ubuntu1 around?
[14:23] <dholbach> effie_jayx: if you add a conflicts, it should get removed in the upgrade process
[14:25] <effie_jayx> Ok. I'll try it and see
[14:30] <wgrant> superm1: Try http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/sru/. The ubuntu-archive one is linked from there, if that's what you want.
[14:31] <superm1> yes that's exactly what i was looking for
[14:31] <superm1> thanks wgrant
[14:31] <wgrant> np
[14:34] <Neurostu> can someone shed some light on what:
[14:34] <Neurostu> dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1
[14:34] <Neurostu> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-genchanges gave error exit status 9
[14:34] <Neurostu> means
[14:42] <cyberix> Tool called linda does not exist in 8.04?
[14:43] <lucas> cyberix: it was removed from debian. use lintian.
[14:43] <cyberix> k
[15:02] <Neurostu> anybody?
[15:04] <slytherin> Neurostu: what are you trying to do exactly?
[15:05] <Neurostu> trying to figure out what the error msgs I'm getting mean
[15:06] <Neurostu> I posted them here about 40 minutes ago
[15:06] <cyberix> I did not have to use -f in order to update my package at REVU. I wonder, if I broke up something
[15:07] <Neurostu> slytherin: here is a pastebin of the errors: http://mwl.pastebin.com/m11739416
[15:08] <amikrop> Can I rename my package (it is uploaded but not examined) from ueagle-setup to ueagle?
[15:08] <slytherin> cyberix: did you change version?
[15:09] <amikrop> I thought it would be OK ro rename it to ueagle, because there is no other Ubuntu package with "ueagle" in its name, so it could not be confused.
[15:09] <slytherin> Neurostu: I saw the error message, but tell me what are you trying to do? Make a package?
[15:09] <cyberix> slytherin: yes
[15:09] <amikrop> Also, there is not much point in appending "-setup" to a package, because what all packages do, is setting up.
[15:10] <slytherin> cyberix: why? you are not supposed to.
[15:10] <amikrop> When I say uploaded, I mean uploaded to REVU.
[15:10] <cyberix> slytherin: New upstream release
[15:10] <amikrop> So? Could there be a problem?
[15:10] <slytherin> amikrop: You can sure change package name. That way it will have another entry in revu. Make sure you comment on old entry asking to discard it.
[15:11] <slytherin> cyberix: Are you trying to get review on new package or just new version of existing package?
[15:11] <amikrop> slytherin: alright ^^
[15:14] <Neurostu> slythering: yes, that is the output when I run dpkg-buildpackage
[15:14] <Neurostu> I'm trying to build a .deb
[15:15] <cyberix> slytherin: a new package
[15:16] <cyberix> slytherin: Review brought up a bug which was then fixed upstream
[15:16] <slytherin> cyberix: Then it is fine. Shouldn't be a problem.
[15:19] <cyberix> slytherin: Ok. Great.
[16:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:50] <schmiedc> hoi
[16:50] <geser> Hi bddebian
[16:51] <bddebian> Hello schmiedc, geser
[16:51] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[16:52] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[17:06] <dholbach> YokoZar: do you think you could follow up on the wine post on planet ubuntu?
[17:06] <YokoZar> dholbach: For some reason the posts I make don't seem to get syndicated to planet ubuntu
[17:08] <YokoZar> dholbach: Anyway I'm not sure what you want me to do, the patch Brandon links to is likely to cause regressions
[17:09] <dholbach> YokoZar: and it doesn't look like a good advice to most wine users :-/
[17:10] <YokoZar> Well, it makes his program work, and I think it's pretty clear from the post that this shouldn't be done unless you're running it and it bothers you enough
[17:12] <dholbach> also a PPA might work better than the sudo apt-get remove --purge wine; sudo make uninstall; sudo make install business
[17:13] <YokoZar> or just forking package and building locally
[17:14] <dholbach> oh well - I just thought you might be in the best position to answer this
[17:14] <dholbach> and definitely weird your blog does not turn up on planet ubuntu
[17:14] <dholbach> it looks like it's fine in the config
[17:15] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you tomorrow
[17:45]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[18:27] <Neurobuntu> When I run: debuild my package compiles and build successfully into a deb, however it says that my file debian/files has a badly formed line... this is weird because I didn't create this file, what is supposed to be in this file
[18:28] <Neurobuntu> does debuild try to put the .deb into the repository pocket?
[18:29] <persia> Neurobuntu: debian/files contains a list of files to go in the deb.  You shouldn't have created it.  debuild doesn't care about pockets.
[18:30] <Neurobuntu> persia: if debuild is creating the file for me why is it giving me the badly formed line error
[18:31] <persia> Neurobuntu: I'm not sure.  It's something odd happening as a result of your debian/rules call.  You might try looking at the file, and compariing with the same file from another package that doesn't have that error.
[18:33] <Neurobuntu> persia, ok thanks
[18:35] <Neurobuntu> persia, is the files list necessary, i mean will a deb install correctly without it?
[18:35] <Neurobuntu> or if it isn't correct
[18:36] <persia> Neurobuntu: Check your created .deb with dpkg --contents.  I suspect it's missing something.
[18:42] <Iulian> Hi
[18:44] <Neurobuntu> persia: I don't think so, it looks like everything is in there
[18:45] <persia> Neurobuntu: Hmm.  I don't know.  You might ask someone to review the package in detail, but it might just work.
[18:47] <Neurobuntu> ok well I'll figure this out eventually, ty
[20:21] <SniperBeamer> hi, is it possible to tell cdbs not to create usr/share/doc/... but instead link to a common doc dir?
[20:22] <persia> SniperBeamer: It does that by default.
[20:22] <persia> In /usr/share/doc/...
[20:22] <persia> Just put the same files in all the subpackages.
[20:22] <persia> (or maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that's right - someone please correct me otherwise)
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx> hi guys, does anyone knows why i get this warnings when trying to create a new pbuilder ? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx>   aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 but it is not installable
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx>   libept0: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 but it is not installable
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx> and how can i fix it?
[20:23] <geser> RoAkSoAx: interpid?
[20:23] <RoAkSoAx> geser, yep
[20:24] <geser> looks like aptitude and libept0 need a rebuild with the recent apt
[20:25] <SniperBeamer> persia: it only symlinks files (except copyright)
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> geser, how to do that ;)
[20:26] <geser> RoAkSoAx: you would need a interpid pbuilder for that
[20:26] <SniperBeamer> and lintian complains with debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink
[20:26] <Pennycook_> Hi guys, I was directed over here by #kubuntu.  I have a question about using prevu; I've updated to Qt4.4 using backports and need to backport Intrepid's version of lyx.  Given lyx exists in Intrepid, is running "prevu lyx" enough, or do I need to provide a URL, maybe something else?
[20:26] <RoAkSoAx> geser, so should i create a hardy pbuilder and upgrade too intrepid??
[20:27] <RoAkSoAx> geser, libapt-pkg-libc is a package right?? cause i can't find it in the repos
[20:28] <persia> SniperBeamer: You can ignore the lintian error, and symlinks don't take that much space.
[20:28] <geser> RoAkSoAx: yes, that would too
[20:28] <geser> RoAkSoAx: libapt-pkg-libc is provided by apt
[20:29] <RoAkSoAx> geser, ok thanks, so i'll create a hardy pbuilder and upgrade it too intrepid
[20:29] <SniperBeamer> persia: sure, I just think symlinking the whole dir is a cleaner solution
[20:29] <persia> SniperBeamer: Maybe.  Investigate dh_link.
[20:30] <SniperBeamer> dh_link says that the usr/share/doc/... dir already exists
[20:31] <SniperBeamer> I didn't find an option that stops cdbs from calling dh_installdocs
[20:31] <Jazzva> Just to make sure... Changes to .po files should be removed from the final debdiff in a merge?
[20:33] <geser> Jazzva: yes, unless they were made on purpose which should be documented in the changelog
[20:34] <persia> Jazzva: Typically.  Check the Ubuntu changelog.  Except in rare cases, we prefer Debian .po files.  In those rare cases, you need to merge manually, but should be sure to push the change to Debian.
[20:34] <Jazzva> persia, geser: Thanks.
[20:34] <Jazzva> persia: What would be those rare cases?
[20:35] <persia> Jazzva: When there was an error of some sort that was fixed.  Maybe a typo, etc.
[20:35] <Jazzva> persia: I see... thanks :)
[21:02] <emgent> Security Meeting now on #ubuntu-meeting
[21:06] <whyking_> hi
[21:06] <whyking_> is this the right place for me to ask about an ubunut-package provided by MOTU (namely scipy) ?
[21:07] <RoAkSoAx> geser, any ideas why i get this?? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17309/
[21:08] <persia> whyking_: You can ask, although we may not know.  If it's about a bug, you may have better luck in #ubuntu-bugs.  If it's about support, you may have better luck in #ubuntu.
[21:09] <geser> RoAkSoAx: that's kind of "normal", yes, it's a bug
[21:09] <geser> RoAkSoAx: check if you have already upgraded libc6 and coreutils before proceeding
[21:10] <whyking_> I was wondering, there are some special functions in scipy.sandbox, those are present in the scipy-0.6 source tarball, but not in the i386 compiled version.. why would that be the case? and, any plans on changing that?
[21:10]  * persia points at http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts as a source of information about debugging maintainer script issues
[21:10] <geser> RoAkSoAx: s/coreutils/findutils/
[21:11] <geser> RoAkSoAx: bug #234345
[21:11] <RoAkSoAx> let's see
[21:14] <RoAkSoAx> i don't have those packages in the update-manager for upgrade.. but i'll upgrade my system and i'll tr again
[21:14] <RoAkSoAx> thanks geser ;)
[21:46] <norsetto> whyking_: could very well be a packaging bug, would you mind issuing a bug report about it in Launchpad?
[22:04] <norsetto> whyking_: well, seems like upstream has disabled the building of sandbox modules
[22:04] <whyking_> norsetto, what do you mean with upstream?
[22:05] <whyking_> norsetto, it is also not present in the debian package
[22:05] <whyking_> norsetto, is that what oyu mean?
[22:05] <sebner> whyking_: upstream is the programmer
[22:06] <whyking_> hm.. I do not think so.. it is present when I build the from the source
[22:08] <norsetto> whyking_: well, all subpackages are commented out in setup.py
[22:09] <whyking_> norsetto, oh, you are right
[22:09] <whyking_> unfortunate
[22:10] <sebner> norsetto is the rainman =)
[22:12] <whyking_> norsetto, well, thanks for looking into that
[22:12] <norsetto> whyking_: np
[22:14] <schmiedc> cya
[22:14] <norsetto> sebner: how far are you from the lake?
[22:16] <sebner> norsetto: the lake (which one) or a lake?
[22:16] <norsetto> sebner: isn't there a lake in your village?
[22:16] <sebner> norsetto: ~5-10km away
[22:17] <RoAkSoAx> sebner, you gonna take a bath in the lake?? :P xD
[22:17] <sebner> RoAkSoAx: noooo!?
[22:17] <wasabi> Packaging question: I have a command I want a daemon to run after the daemon is upgraded, to restart the daemon. but it also has to run AFTER some packages which depend on the daemon: and are thus after the daemon
[22:17] <wasabi> Basically the daemon has plugins.
[22:17] <RoAkSoAx> sebner, lol i was just joking :P
[22:18] <wasabi> After any plugins are updated, the daemon should restart. Should I implement this in each plugin's postinst?
[22:18] <sebner> RoAkSoAx: /me is too tired to discover jokes ^^
[22:18] <RAOF> wasabi: That sounds like the way to go.
[22:19] <wasabi> Hmm.
[22:19] <RAOF> wasabi: Because, looking at it another way, from the plugin package's perspective it's not properly installed until the daemon has restarted; thus, it should restart the daemon.
[22:20] <RAOF> For bonus points you could try dpkg triggers to have this happen exactly once per package-management-session, but I'm not familiar with them.
[22:49] <crimsun> hmm, so I need to revert these sysv-rc changes.  Sigh.
[22:50] <ajmitch> caused some breakage?
[22:50] <sebner> gn8 folks
[22:51] <crimsun> ajmitch: no, just the intrepid merge deprecates multiuser semantics.
[22:51] <crimsun> or at least I'm led to believe so from the changelog.
[22:52] <RAOF> And the mail on ubuntu-devel, presumably.
[22:59]  * ajmitch is still trying to catch up on -devel mail
[22:59] <ajmitch> just got to that one now :)


[07:11] <MCMic> Does owncloud-sync from open store works for nextcloud?
[07:11] <MCMic> Or is there an other easy way to sync a folder on ubuntu touch?
[07:12] <MCMic> (Can syncevolution sync files?)
[22:56] <Calisto> Hi
[22:58] <Calisto> I have a ubuntu phone any knows if the project ends or exist any fork?
[22:58] <Calisto> fork?
[22:59] <k1l> #ubports is the way to go


[01:12] <rhineheart_m> hello.. how to change the homedirectory of a user?
[03:20] <faulkes-> Bit Rate=60 Mb/s   Tx-Power=14 dBm
[03:20] <faulkes-> always nice to see that ;)
[03:32] <rhineheart_m> hello.. how to determine if IPV6 is the cause of intermittent connection
[03:33] <rhineheart_m> I just so curious about this before heading into disabling IPV6 in my server..
[03:41] <haji88> Hi I'm trying to start a FTP server and this is my first time, so here is my question I got proftp installed and I can access the server and upload and download files on my local network, but how can I access the server from the internet. I mean do I need like an online host or something like that?
[03:49] <rhineheart_m> hello.. is disabling IPV6 cannot disrupt web server operation?
[03:50] <rhineheart_m> I only found out that my router cannot support IPv6.. and I guess it might be the reason of intermittent connection in my LAN
[03:50] <rhineheart_m> any feedback please..
[03:51] <haji88> I guess nobody is here :-(
[03:51] <rhineheart_m> yeah....
[03:51] <rhineheart_m> they're here but they are sleeping.. LOL
[03:51] <haji88> I guess
[03:54] <rhineheart_m> okay.. let me help you :)
[03:54] <rhineheart_m> just do port forwarding port 21 in your router to your box
[03:55] <rhineheart_m> unless you've changed the default port number
[03:55] <haji88> no my port still 21
[03:56] <haji88> but I don't know what should I do to connect to my server over the internet
[03:56] <rhineheart_m> okay.. then try it
[03:57] <rhineheart_m> you could use filezilla or any ftp client. what matters most in here.. your box supports ftp service
[03:57] <rhineheart_m> and your router/firewall allows external access to ftp port
[03:58] <haji88> sorry I wasn't clear, what I meant is what should I type in filezilla to get connected to my server?
[03:59] <rhineheart_m> mmm.. just type in your IP in the host then the username and pssword then port number
[03:59] <haji88> does this work online?
[03:59] <rhineheart_m> there should be boxes corresponding those data
[04:00] <haji88> sorry but I don't get it
[04:02] <rhineheart_m> mmm.. try this: http://helppages.obsidian.com.au/HelpCenter/tutorial/filezilla
[04:03] <haji88> ok I'll give it a try, thanks! :)
[04:11] <owh> sommer: ping
[04:14] <sommer> owh: yo
[04:14] <owh> Hey. Did you get the email I just send a few minutes ago?
[04:14]  * sommer checking
[04:14] <owh> s/send/sent/
[04:16] <sommer> owh: ya, I haven't read through your entire diff yet
[04:16] <sommer> from what I have though I think most of the spelling errors were corrected
[04:16] <owh> sommer: There was a server 500 error on bzr.launchpad to download the C directory and some of the .xml files, so I asked in #LP and was given a tgz by spiv.
[04:17] <owh> sommer: Is there a way to check if my source and your current version are the same?
[04:17] <sommer> um, what happens if you do bzr update?
[04:17] <owh> sommer: I cannot do that, I have a vSat connection and downloading the 88Mb of the document tree takes many hours.
[04:18] <owh> sommer: The biggest problem is not the 88Mb, it's that each file comes down individually.
[04:18] <sommer> owh: ah, one sec
[04:19] <owh> sommer: If I look at the file times on this directory, they're all from different times all on 27-03-2008
[04:20] <owh> sommer: Is there an embedded version string anywhere?
[04:20] <sommer> owh:  I don't think so
[04:21] <owh> sommer: Crap, and we call ourselves developers :|
[04:21] <sommer> I call myself sommer :)
[04:22] <owh> ROTFL
[04:22]  * owh tries to enforce version control in configuration files even.
[04:25] <owh> sommer: I just checked one of the files. What I have and what bazar has as the original are the same.
[04:25] <sommer> owh: ya, the last commit to the serverguide was:  Sat 2008-03-22 16:59:56 -0400
[04:25] <owh> sommer: That means that my edits are edits with respect to what is currently in bazar.
[04:25] <owh> sommer: The last commit, does it contain your updates?
[04:26] <sommer> yes, but not the ones you sent me
[04:26] <owh> sommer: Cool, then the server guide as it stands is still riddled with spelling errors, let alone inconsistencies.
[04:27] <owh> sommer: Would you like me to give you a diff that excludes example.com changes etc?
[04:27] <keithclark> Does anyone know is ssh is broken between a computer running 8.04 and one running 7.10?
[04:27] <owh> sommer: Just typos and spelling errors?
[04:27] <owh> keithclark: Works for me. Perhaps you have v2 vs. v1 issues.
[04:27] <sommer> owh: sure, but I'll have to double check that it's cool to commit it
[04:28] <owh> sommer: If you can do that before I do the work, that would be appreciated.
[04:28] <owh> keithclark: What I meant with my cryptic response is that sometimes you can force sshd to ignore v1 connects.
[04:28] <sommer> owh: okay, I'll have to ask Matt East who is in UTC time zone, so it'll be tomorrow
[04:29] <keithclark> owh, not sure.  I can access the 7.10 from the 8.04 machine, read the directories and even play media files.  But, when I try to save something to it, a progress bar comes up and nothing else happens.  The remote computer is also no longer available until a logout/login.
[04:29] <owh> sommer: That's cool. If you can tell me from my first email which things you don't want, then I can do something about it. But apart from username and example.com changes, I've not changed actual words.
[04:30] <owh> keithclark: I have no idea what you are trying to describe. If you can connect and read directories across ssh, then the problem is not ssh.
[04:30] <sommer> owh: what I was getting at in my reply is that some of the spelling mistakes in the diff you sent me are fixed
[04:30] <keithclark> owh, I can connect and read, until I try to save a file.
[04:30] <sommer> does that make sense?
[04:30] <owh> sommer: No.
[04:30] <owh> sommer: Specifically:
[04:30] <keithclark> owh, I cannot write to the disc.  No error, just a frozen progress bar.
[04:31] <sommer> the firt entry in backup.xml where I had "Backuping"
[04:31] <sommer> I caught that with the last commit
[04:31] <owh> sommer: Well, bazaar does not show that.
[04:31] <rhineheart_m> I tried this: lsmod | grep ipv  and this is the response: ipv6                  278916  24 what does it mean?
[04:32] <owh> sommer: I just downloaded it from bazaar then and I still have backuping.
[04:32] <owh> keithclark: How are you "saving a file"?
[04:33] <keithclark> owh, copy/paste with Nautilus and sftp://
[04:33] <owh> keithclark: sftp != ssh
[04:34] <owh> rhineheart_m: If you run lsmod | head, you'll see the column names :)
[04:34] <keithclark> owh ???
[04:34] <owh> keithclark: sftp and ssh are not the same.
[04:35] <rhineheart_m> can anybody here has an idea on how to remove IPV6?
[04:35] <rhineheart_m> I tried this one.. sudo rmmod ipv6   and I got this error: ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use
[04:36] <owh> rhineheart_m: Your Ethernet interfaces are likely using it.
[04:36] <rhineheart_m> I tried : lsmod | grep ipv  and this is the response: ipv6                  278916  24
[04:36] <sommer> owh: ah, there's more than one backuping... doh
[04:36] <sommer> I must have hit the ignore key when using aspell
[04:36] <sommer> crap!
[04:37] <keithclark> owh, but sftp uses ssh, no?
[04:37] <owh> rhineheart_m: Yes, that just means that there are no other modules using it, not that the module itself isn't in use.
[04:37] <rhineheart_m> oaky.. so how would I disable IPV6? I am in the remote end
[04:38] <owh> keithclark: Yes.
[04:38] <owh> rhineheart_m: Without losing Ethernet connectivity, I doubt that you can.
[04:38] <keithclark> owh, ok I guess I don't have a handle on my problem then.
[04:38] <owh> rhineheart_m: I would not recommend doing ifdown eth0, because that would kill your remote connection.
[04:38] <owh> sommer: That means that most of my diff is very relevant.
[04:39] <owh> keithclark: Yes.
[04:39] <rhineheart_m> so you mean.. the only way to do it is to work on it in the site?
[04:39] <owh> keithclark: I suspect that you are looking at a permission issue, not an ssh issue.
[04:39] <sommer> owh: probably, I'll try and check through it tomorrow, but there's still an issue with getting it committed
[04:39] <keithclark> But I log in as me on the remote machine.
[04:39] <sommer> post freeze and all
[04:40] <owh> rhineheart_m: I do not know. I would like to understand why you would feel the need to disable IPv6, even if you're not using it. Personally I have no IPv6 experience at all.
[04:40] <keithclark> owh, and if I log in as me and I am accessing my directories on the remote machine, it should work, no?
[04:40] <owh> sommer: That is very true. I tried to get this all sorted out two weeks ago, but was unable to actually get the server guide downloaded :(
[04:40] <rhineheart_m> I think IPV6 causes the internet disruption since my router doesn't support it..
[04:41] <sommer> owh: do you think it's a huge issue as it is now?  aside from the spelling mistakes :-)
[04:41] <owh> rhineheart_m: If it does not support it, there should be no interaction at all. The machine would use IPv4 to get to the world. From what you've described thus far, I suspect you have a different issue than you think you do.
[04:41] <sommer> the consistancy thing is good, but I thought that each section was pretty consistant
[04:42] <owh> sommer: Well it reflects poorly on our QA, it's going to be around for many years and we're not talking about changes that will affect any translation efforts.
[04:42] <owh> sommer: I think its important to get it right.
[04:42] <rhineheart_m> owh, I just got this idea: Ubuntu has a newer Internet protocol called IPv6 turned on by default. However, some hardware — such as NICs and modems — shows broken behavior when exposed to IPv6 related DNS requests. This leaves you wondering why DNS resolution seems slower or doesn't work at all.
[04:43] <owh> rhineheart_m: Well, are you exposed to IPv6 related DNS requests?
[04:43] <sommer> owh: it reflects on my QA... heh, the issue isn't that the translation is different it's that once you change the string you have to ask the translators to go back and check each one
[04:44] <sommer> and since they're all volunteers...
[04:44] <rhineheart_m> owh, how to determine if I'm exposed?
[04:44] <owh> sommer: No, the string is the same. We're talking about a string that has an ID. I'm not adding/deleting lines, just repairing borked words.
[04:44] <owh> rhineheart_m: What is the actual problem you're trying to solve?
[04:45] <sommer> owh: right, but they use LP to do the translation and it shows up that a string has changed
[04:45] <sommer> so they then have to go back and check it
[04:45] <owh> keithclark: I think you're describing a permission/path issue, but I don't know that for sure. It may be that your sftp client is broken. I do not know.
[04:46] <owh> sommer: Well, I do not know how rosetta works, but I would think that you can mark those changes as spelling errors. (If we remove the username/example.com changes.)
[04:47] <sommer> owh: maybe, I just know that it was a minor issue when I corrected the ones I caught last week, which was only a few days after SF
[04:47] <keithclark> owh, thanks for trying.  I'll keep searching.
[04:47] <sommer> owh: I'll certainly ask though
[04:47] <owh> keithclark: Why not use scp in the mean time?
[04:47] <owh> sommer: Sure.
[04:47] <rhineheart_m> owh, I have been diagnosing the problem of your network for almost a month already the ADSL modem is already new and the analog line has been replaced with a new one the ISP is responding well but they couldn't get really about the problem I'm just suspecting that IPV6 causing the intermittern connection especially when I am working to my box remotely.. I mean.. updating my website.. the MTU has been set to 1300 already which is I believe the
[04:47] <rhineheart_m> recommended one..when I got disconnected.. the only way to be connected again is to refresh the connection
[04:48] <owh> rhineheart_m: My network?
[04:48] <rhineheart_m> sorry.. my network
[04:48] <owh> rhineheart_m: So, you are seeing random disconnects, is that the problem?
[04:49] <rhineheart_m> yeah
[04:50] <rhineheart_m> BTW..I'm on ADSL static PPPoE and the dialer is my router
[04:50] <owh> rhineheart_m: Sigh, I didn't really want to get into a big thing right this second, but I'll get a glass of water and come back.
[04:50] <rhineheart_m> owh, okay. I will wait for you
[04:50] <owh> rhineheart_m: Lets start at the beginning.
[04:51] <owh> rhineheart_m: The remote computer is running which OS?
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> ubuntu 7.10
[04:51] <owh> rhineheart_m: Server?
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> yeah
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> nO GUI
[04:51] <owh> rhineheart_m: How is it connected to the world?
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> accessing SSH
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> apache
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> version2
[04:52] <rhineheart_m> http and ssh
[04:52] <owh> rhineheart_m: How is it connected to the world?
[04:52] <rhineheart_m> what do you mean with how it is connected to the world? internet
[04:53] <owh> Yes
[04:53] <owh> Physically
[04:53] <rhineheart_m> yeah
[04:53] <owh> rhineheart_m: What is plugged into what?
[04:53] <owh> rhineheart_m: This is not a trick question.
[04:54] <rhineheart_m> SERVER>linksys (wrt54g) >adsl modem>internet
[04:54] <rhineheart_m> owh, can I talk to you privately?
[04:54] <owh> rhineheart_m: The ADSL link is PPoE?
[04:54] <owh> rhineheart_m: Sure, if you pay me $120 AUD per hour to personally solve your problems.
[04:54] <owh> rhineheart_m: Otherwise we'll stay right here.
[04:55] <rhineheart_m> :)
[04:55] <rhineheart_m> yeah it is
[04:55] <owh> So, the WRT54g is running the PPoE client?
[04:56] <rhineheart_m> yep
[04:56] <owh> rhineheart_m: Are there any other computers connected to the WRT54g?
[04:57] <rhineheart_m> yeah running windows
[04:57] <owh> rhineheart_m: Are they losing connectivity?
[04:57] <keithclark> owh: Never used it before.
[04:57] <owh> keithclark: Used what?
[04:57] <keithclark> owh: scp
[04:58] <owh> keithclark: It's very nice: scp myFile bob@remote:/home/bob/thing/foo/bob
[04:58] <rhineheart_m> yeah..
[04:58] <owh> keithclark: That copies myFile to the remote computer and names it bob.
[04:59] <owh> rhineheart_m: Then the problem has likely nothing to do with your server or IPv6. It's more likely to be related to the WRT54g or the ADSL connection itself. Also the MTU is normally 1500, not 1300.
[04:59] <keithclark> owh: Yup, got you, and I think you are right. Permission errors.
[05:00] <keithclark> owh, but I log in as me on the remote.  Same as if I were there.
[05:00] <owh> keithclark: Yes, but if you're putting it into a place where you're not allowed to write, then it won't matter :)
[05:00] <keithclark> It is in my home directory
[05:01] <owh> keithclark: Run the scp command with the -v switch and see what it tells you.
[05:01] <owh> keithclark: -v == verbose
[05:01] <keithclark> owh, sorry (face red) typo.
[05:01] <owh> keithclark: ROTFL - it happens to all of us.
[05:02] <keithclark> owh: (blushing) it is working!
[05:02] <owh> keithclark: I once couldn't find a bug that had $daemon and $deamon in it.
[05:02] <owh> keithclark: All good!
[05:02] <keithclark> owh: hahahaha....
[05:02] <keithclark> owh:  So I take it that my Nautilus/sftp is broken and not ssh.
[05:02] <owh> keithclark: It wasn't that funny at the time :)
[05:03] <owh> keithclark: I couldn't say.
[05:03] <keithclark> owh, no worries, scp is easy.
[05:03] <owh> rhineheart_m: What have you done about troubleshooting.
[05:03] <keithclark> owh, and thank you for your help!
[05:04] <owh> rhineheart_m: The skill is in eliminating them one at a time. The fact that the Windows computers are experiencing the same issue, indicates that its something that they have in common with your server, eg. the ADSL connection or the router.
[05:04] <rhineheart_m> owh, connecting to internet directly without the router
[05:04] <owh> keithclark: No problem.
[05:04] <owh> rhineheart_m: What did that show?
[05:05] <rhineheart_m> owh, I did it before.. not yet this time.. I guess I have to try standalone this time
[05:06] <rhineheart_m> owh, but before I bought the router.. same thing.. but the analog line wasn't changed yet
[05:06] <owh> rhineheart_m: My personal guess is that the ADSL link is losing sync. Likely that's caused by either an ISP level fault, an exchange fault, physically connecting the ADSL network incorrectly to the phone system.
[05:07] <owh> rhineheart_m: I doubt the router has anything to do with the issue, but its possible,
[05:07] <owh> rhineheart_m: that the router is disconnecting the PPoE connection on idle.
[05:07] <rhineheart_m> owh, you have really the experience there.. :)
[05:07] <owh> rhineheart_m: Often problems like this are the simple things, not the complicated things.
[05:08] <owh> rhineheart_m: Yeah, 26 or so years will do that :)
[05:08] <owh> rhineheart_m: That is 26 years in the industry :)
[05:09] <owh> rhineheart_m: Have fun. I'm off.
[05:09] <rhineheart_m> owh, thanks for the inputs
[05:09] <owh> rhineheart_m: No problem.
[08:49] <sten_> hi.  I've found the one-liner "992 inet n - n - - smtpd" to  main.cf, to open a second smtp port, but "postfix check" returns:
[08:49] <sten_> missing '=' after attribute name: "992 inet n - n - - smtpd"
[08:49] <sten_> This is Postfix 2.5.1, on gutsy
[08:58] <sten_> ah, it's supposed to go in master.cf...
[10:48] <mib_bdg8wq> Can useraccounts be setup on ubuntu-server, so that when users login on their computers they connect to the server so files etc. are stored on there, not locally?
[14:28] <rhineheart_m> how to change system time in console?
[14:30] <ClaesBas> man date! and maybe man hwclock
[14:32] <rhineheart_m> ows.. how to exit in man date?
[14:32] <ClaesBas> q
[14:32] <ClaesBas> may man man also.....
[14:32] <rhineheart_m> thanks.. I just dunno how to change time in man date..
[14:32] <ClaesBas> I meant maybe
[14:33] <ClaesBas> date -s<PHONE_NUMBER>0800 && hwclock -w
[14:33] <rhineheart_m> ows.. I can't really get you.
[14:34] <ClaesBas> But it's better to install and config ntp which syncronize with some goot clocksource
[14:34] <ClaesBas> s/goot/good
[14:35] <ClaesBas> Or use ntpdate
[14:35] <rhineheart_m> okay.. thanks.. I remembered I installed ntpdate before.. and it must be running
[14:44] <Deeps> Hi, I'm trying to tranfer some files over an NFS share from a remote source over a slow link, and when i'm reading files from the nfs share, top reports a lot of IO wait, and if i'm writing, it goes bezerk, and the whole system slows to a crawl
[14:44] <ClaesBas> ntpdate asks from time from a timeserver and sets it....
[14:45] <Deeps> I know it's not a local issue as i can transfer files from my machine to another machine via scp at much higher speeds without any problem
[14:48] <ClaesBas> Anybody here who have a server with lm-sensors running with ipmisensors (Redhat and others distros have it)?
[15:02] <ClaesBas> No one with lmsensors running on a Proliant?
[15:55] <kjdx>
[15:55] <kjdx> Day I speak Italian and I try to speak English through google translate to find a support configured postfix but I can not understand how I have to do to generate a FQDN make it work for some of you I know how to say?
[15:56] <kjdx>
[15:56] <kjdx> I have a server ubuntu 7.10 does everything except Inbound outgoing can send the
[15:56] <kjdx> Someone I know I am helping to solve the problem?
[16:00] <ClaesBas> kjdx can you "Paste" your main.cf...
[16:00] <kjdx> ok
[16:04] <kjdx> http://rafb.net/p/wDyWXW96.html
[16:08] <kjdx> For the configuration I followed this link:
[16:08] <kjdx> Http://howtoforge.com/postfix_antispam_mailscanner_clamav_ubuntu_p2
[16:08] <kjdx> But I do not know what I have to put FQDN
[16:08] <ClaesBas> kjdx: I don't think you could have a smtp-server as "localhost"!
[16:09] <ClaesBas> You have to have a real hostname which exist on dns!
[16:09] <kjdx>
[16:09] <kjdx> I have 8 websites active in name-based server
[16:10] <kjdx>
[16:10] <kjdx> I can make one of these?
[16:11] <ClaesBas> I that hostname is "hosted" on this machine
[16:11] <ClaesBas> I meant if (s/I/If)
[16:12] <kjdx> sorry I did not understand
[16:13] <ClaesBas> Change the line: myhostname = <to_your_real_hostname>
[16:14] <ClaesBas> kjdx: I must leave for while now, hope you get it to work....
[16:14] <kjdx> ok
[16:17] <kjdx>
[16:17] <kjdx> I changed and sent me back an email but this
[16:17] <kjdx> http://rafb.net/p/6cF4Dz71.html
[16:17] <kjdx> I changed after I rebooted postfix
[16:19] <kjdx>
[16:19] <kjdx> Three weeks trying to fix this thing :|
[16:23] <lamont> nomesito.com lacks mx and a rrs
[16:25] <kjdx> How it works?
[16:25] <kjdx> sorry
[16:31] <ClaesBas> Is your "mailservers" ip <IP_ADDRESS>?
[16:32] <ClaesBas> (host86-230-149-62.serverdedicati.aruba.it)
[16:37] <kjdx> Ah ok hours trying
[16:50] <kjdx> Ip that put put ip server that is, sites or have given ip to a mail server?
[16:50] <kjdx>
[16:50] <kjdx> Because I tried with ip of the server that is what they use for sites but does not work
[16:59] <kjdx> I do not know what to do more
[20:45] <AtomicSpark> i recently installed the new 8.04 beta server cd on a hp netserver 4something and i had that "doesnt go past loading local boot scripts" issue. now i've had this on my notebook for 7.10 alt and 8.04 both desktop too. is this a issue with the installer? it can't be drivers if this happens on more then one machine, expecially one that doesnt use GUI.
[20:53] <yarddog> im running 6.06 LTS, i wonder when it will be stable to upgrade to the 8.04 LTS
[20:54] <sommer> yarddog: definitely by the release date :-)
[20:54] <yarddog> would i just change my sources.list or would i need a cd for that?
[21:01] <sommer> yarddog: the best way is to use the do-release-upgrade command
[21:02] <sommer> part of update-manager-core package
[21:02] <yarddog> looking at it now
[22:36] <jeandaniel_> Hello, can the hardy heron server be easily installed without a graphical environment?
[22:37] <ScottK> That's the only way it can be installed.
[22:44] <jeandaniel_> I installed hardy heron from the alternate CD, I installed kvm and downloaded the hardy jeos. I tried several kvm option to install jeos in a vm but could not get to a console. kvm on a graphical environment will launch an xterm on which one can see the boot and log in as in a console. Here without an X server running kvm will not launch. How can I do to install a vm without X server?
[22:44] <jeandaniel_> this is one of the option I tried :
[22:44] <jeandaniel_> sudo kvm -hda /dev/mapper/marge-trac -m 512 -boot d -cdrom /home/jd/hardy-jeos-i386.iso -net nic,vlan=0,macaddr=00:16:3e:00:00:01
[22:48] <tmadsen> hi, I'm trying to set up a bridge. Do any of you have a good introduction to the subject, that maybe also digs a little deeper than basics?
[22:50] <jeandaniel_> i also tried the option " -nographic -monitor stdio" but it implies that grub is configured to write to the console, and it also implies that the system has a getty listening on a tty configured in inittab. How can we configure such a thing now inittab is gone is favor of upstart?
[22:53] <jeandaniel_> tmadsen: what do you want to do with your bridge? because if you want virtual machines hooked to the network via a local bridge on eth0, then I have found enough information for my needs on the website of kvm, on the debian install page
[22:53] <tmadsen> i have a setup that is like 4 machines that need access to the internet trough a 5th jeandaniel_
[22:54] <tmadsen> no virtual machines
[22:55] <jeandaniel_> It seems to me that in this context, the 5th machine can be set as a router
[22:56] <jeandaniel_> a routeur and a NAT usually
[22:58] <jeandaniel_> does  the first 4 machines  have routable addresses or are they on a private network?
[22:58] <jeandaniel_> if they are on a private network, then you definitely need a routeur and a NAT
[23:08] <tmadsen> jeandaniel_: NAT is not an option for me, two of the machines are webhosts (port 80), and I'm pretty sure it should be possible to do it via bridging
[23:12] <jeandaniel_> ok, then I am pretty sure your 4 first machine are not on a private network, and indeed i can be solved via a bridge