[12:03] <hussam> [NetSkier: download and install this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/r/resolvconf/resolvconf_1.22_all.deb
[12:03] <_javi> hi to all
[12:04] <[NetSkier> hussam: web won't work either yet since it depends too on dns.
[12:04] <hussam> [NetSkier: how come you are using irc?
[12:04] <[NetSkier> I guess I could get it via a direct ip address.
[12:05] <[NetSkier> hussam: I have two computers next to each other; this one has dns; the kubuntu machine does not yet.
[12:05] <hussam> well the file is like less than 50kb
[12:06] <hussam> can you download it from the other machine an put it on a cd or floppy?
[12:06] <[NetSkier> sure,or scp it over the net via ip addressing.
[12:09] <[NetSkier> hussam: Is that Ubuntu or Kubunto?  You said Ubuntu above.
[12:09] <hussam> [NetSkier: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[12:10] <hussam> [NetSkier: same distro and apt repositories
[12:10] <hussam> [NetSkier: they are basicly the same distro but kubuntu will install kde by default instead of gnome.
[12:28] <[Relic] > if I install kubuntu on one drive then pop in a second drive, will it properly detect the fat32 partitions so I can simply copy over the data files I need?
[12:30] <Tm_T> first mount them
[12:36] <[Relic] > I attach the second drive and turn the computer back on, I mount the drive partitions, and then can move the data...  Am I going to have to do something once I get them copied and remove the HD from the system?
[12:42] <Tm_T> nope, if you just mount/umount them
[12:52] <john_> is ther a GIMP irc channel?
[12:53] <chrisvv> is it posible to use a sarge reposiroty to install sarge's deb into kubuntu ?
[12:54] <hussam> john_: check irc.gimp.org
[12:57] <Riddell> chrisvv: not advised.  why would you want to?
[12:59] <Octane> has anyone here used apt-cdrom?
[12:59] <Octane> im trying to add my breezy cd to apt
[12:59] <chrisvv> Riddell, i need sun's sdk into ubuntu
[01:08] <stef> hello all
[01:08] <Octane> can someone please paste their first line of sources.list (cdrom reference) for a Kubuntu breezy install?
[01:09] <stef> I have a great problem after updating my kubuntu
[01:09] <stef> It seems there is a new kernel installed
[01:09] <Octane> yes there is
[01:09] <stef>  I do a reboot after updating
[01:09] <stef> but now my system is away
[01:10] <stef> I googeld a lot but cant find a solution to this message
[01:10] <stef> http://pastebin.com/362043
[01:10] <stef> Im really helpless
[01:11] <Riddell> chrisvv: tell sun to use a Free Software licence then
[01:11] <stef> can someone help
[01:11] <stef> please!
[01:12] <stef> I want my system back...
[01:12] <Riddell> chrisvv: sorry, not very helpful of me.  does this page have the details?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:14] <stef> hello?
[01:15] <Riddell> stef: looks like you need to reinstall, try #ubuntu first though
[01:15] <stef> ohh nooooo....
[01:21] <stef> no one is answewring in #ubuntu
[01:22] <stef> may someone here could help?
[01:23] <stef> please...
[01:24] <stef> someone can tell me what does it mean:
[01:25] <stef> port **** already claimed by ide0
[01:25] <stef> ?
[01:25] <|maddox|> sorry, no ideia stef
[01:25] <stef> ohh shit
[01:26] <[NetSkier>     stef Try this.
[01:26] <[NetSkier> google, then click on google groups
[01:27] <[NetSkier> then paste your error msg into the search box for google GROUPS,not regular google.
[01:27] <stef> okay
[01:28] <[NetSkier> stef: See what you get with that.  If too broad a response, then add 'kubuntu' to the search to narrow it a bit.  No need to get the Redhat related msgs, unless those are all that exist so far.
[01:28] <hussam> It's like everyday I'm tempted to dist-upgrade to breezy, then somebody says there are problems with the upgrade
[01:29] <[NetSkier> hussam: I got that Kubuntu box on the net now; did an apt-get upgrade, and things seem ok now.
[01:29] <[NetSkier> I did not install that resolvconf pkg, since it appers to be mainly a BIND facilitator,a nd I am a djbdns guy.
[01:30] <[NetSkier> Anyhow, I will remember it for later if dns screws up.
[01:31] <[NetSkier> hussam: thanks for your help.  btw, I fixed it by just writing my own /etc/resolv.conf file.
[01:31] <|maddox|> i upgraded to breezy with sucess, i guess... only had to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:31] <hussam> [NetSkier: I didn't install resolvconf as well. I just edited /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/networks/interfaces
[01:31] <[NetSkier> exactly the same here.
[01:33] <Octane> has anyone here upgraded their kubuntu to breezy preview?
[01:33] <hussam> |maddox|: what build of xorg are you running? 6.8.2-63 ?
[01:35] <|maddox|> 6.8.2-61 but there?s an upgrade to 6.8.2-63 in the repos
[01:35] <hussam> |maddox|: are you gonna update to it?
[01:36] <|maddox|> well i was thinkin? about doing in half an hour or so
[01:36] <|maddox|> doing it
[01:36] <|maddox|> sorry for my english hehe
[01:37] <hussam> |maddox|: I 'm asking because if  6.8.2-63 works for you, then I'll upgrade my machine from hoary to breezy
[01:39] <|maddox|> i hope it works:)
[01:39] <|maddox|> u heard any complaints about it yet?
[01:41] <hussam> |maddox|: I donno but everytime I decide to upgrade, somebody posts bad stories about how upgrading didn't work
[01:42] <hussam> |maddox|: also somebody here posted that sound no longer works: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64573
[01:43] <|maddox|> i havent tested it deeply, but everything seems ok
[01:44] <|maddox|> as i said i had to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:44] <|maddox|> because X didnt start
[01:44] <hussam> |maddox|: ok I'll keep "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in mind.
[01:45] <|maddox|> oh, and i had a lot of services running at boot that didnt make sense for my machine :)
[01:45] <|maddox|> like laptop battery check, and stuff related to laptops
[01:45] <|maddox|> removed it after with synaptic, and bum
[01:45] <hussam> |maddox|: I've been doing apt-get -d dist-upgrade for the last 40 hours. It's downloading 808MB at 10KB/sec
[01:46] <hussam> |maddox|: but I should be done in 56 minutes.
[01:47] <|maddox|> you should be ok
[01:47] <hussam> |maddox|: it's now downloading xorg 6.8.2-63
[01:48] <hussam> damn my slow connection
[01:50] <|maddox|> waiting... its a pain i know:)
[01:50] <hussam> |maddox|: do you have a printer? I wanna know if printing is still working
[01:51] <|maddox|> i have, but its not connected to ubuntu anymore, so didnt tested it
[01:52] <hussam> |maddox|: what about sound?
[01:53] <|maddox|> its working
[01:54] <hussam> 45 minutes left
[01:55] <[NetSkier> hussam: That sounds painful.
[01:55] <|maddox|> another small prob i had.... kvirc 3.2.0 was removed
[01:55] <hussam> |maddox|: that's ok, I use konversation and xchat.
[01:56] <|maddox|> it was instaled from some debian repos, and got removed because of kdelibs i guess
[01:56] <hussam> I guess the scariest stuff to upgrade are xorg and the kernel.
[01:57] <[NetSkier> hussam: I would guess xorg is "the tall pole in the tent."
[01:57] <[NetSkier> kernel should be easy.
[01:57] <[NetSkier> but I am just guessing.
[01:58] <hussam> Kubuntu is actually the easiest distro I found for compiling software. everything I compile works perfectly.
[01:58] <hussam> no that's true. xorg is the scrariest.
[01:58] <[NetSkier> hussam: Do you know about 'stow'?
[01:59] <hussam> I remember compiling a game that required stow but I don't have that game anymore.
[01:59] <[NetSkier> It is great for compiling software on Debian systems, because it packages the compiled software in a place, that is easy to uninstall from, if you ever have to do it, for example when upgrading it.
[02:00] <[NetSkier> apt-get install -u stow
[02:00] <hussam> [NetSkier: what's the -u switch for?
[02:00] <[NetSkier> shows more info about what you are installing; I forget the exact details.
[02:01] <[NetSkier> I also use it for the upgrade command.  apt-get upgrade -u  whatever-packages
[02:01] <[NetSkier> hussam: Funny; the knowledge now lies in my typing fingers; it has left my brain.
[02:02] <|maddox|> hehe
[02:03] <hussam> 35 minutes left
[02:04] <|maddox|> whats your connection again?
[02:05] <NetSkier> gotta be dialup
[02:05] <hussam> 92kbit/sec
[02:05] <hussam> but but if can get slow at times.
[02:05] <hussam> If the upgrade doesn't work, I will be scared for life and may never touch a computer in my life again. even the computers at my universiry.
[02:06] <NetSkier> hussam: :You meant scarred for life; we are all scared for life.  ;)
[02:06] <hussam> nah I'm lying. I'll just download breezy and install from scratch
[02:06] <hussam> yeah scarred
[02:07] <hussam> but seriously I love kubuntu. even my saa7130 tv tuner works perfectly.
[02:08] <|maddox|> me too, i used mandrake before, but kubuntu is a lot better
[02:08] <hussam> NetSkier: it's a crappy tv card.
[02:08] <mustafu> I'm a novice, and having tried Xandros and Linspire I enjoy Kubuntu much more
[02:09] <mustafu> not that anyone needed my two cents :/
[02:09] <hussam> |maddox|: i've used suse ( I left suse after novell aquired it ) , mandrake, mepis, fedora and now kubuntu
[02:11] <hussam> suse was terribly slow.
[02:13] <|maddox|> my 1st linux experience was with slackware (very powerfull) but took me 5 days just to get it installed :))
[02:14] <|maddox|> and one week to broke it, and do a reinstall lol
[02:14] <hussam> nah I've never tried slackware, is there packaging system as smart as debian's?
[02:17] <hussam> slackware's been since 1993, right?
[02:18] <|maddox|> yep. with tar.gz files
[02:18] <hussam> |maddox|: source or binaries packages in tar.gz ?
[02:19] <|maddox|> binaries, but i dont use slack for a long time now
[02:21] <|maddox|> u use pkgtool to install/uninstall etc
[02:22] <hussam> oh ok
[02:23] <hussam> will my edited .conf files like /etc/reslov.conf get lost in the update?
[02:23] <NetSkier> doubtful
[02:24] <NetSkier> Does not happen with regular debian upgrades.
[02:24] <|maddox|> but, if u have doubts  sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf_original
[02:24] <hussam> ok
[02:26] <[Relic] > Hello :)
[02:28] <|maddox|> gotta go
[02:29] <|maddox|> cya guys
[02:29] <hussam> |maddox|: ok bye
[02:29] <|maddox|> good luck hussam
[02:29] <hussam> thank you
[02:29] <|maddox|> bye
[02:29] <[Relic] > is it possible to import a configuration from another install easily?
[02:30] <[Relic] > my dual boot install got messed up when I had to reinstall windows with all my new parts  :)
[03:00] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[03:01] <Flying_Eagle> the breezy-badger-kernel just freezes when using my acx-wlan-card :(
[03:01] <Flying_Eagle> where can i report this bug?
[03:01] <hussam> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <Flying_Eagle> thx, hussam
[03:08] <hussam> NetSkier: will it help if I exit x then upgrade to breezy?
[03:09] <Flying_Eagle> hussam, i tried to upgrade directly from hoary - it broke my X
[03:09] <Flying_Eagle> besides that the new kernel freezes when using the acx_pci-module :/
[03:09] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: so I should exit x first?
[03:10] <Flying_Eagle> so you should install breezy on a new partition
[03:10] <Flying_Eagle> fresh and clean
[03:10] <Flying_Eagle> and then takeover your config
[03:10] <Flying_Eagle> s
[03:11] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: I think the x think can be corrected with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorrg
[03:11] <Flying_Eagle> yeah. you think
[03:11] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: it didn't work?
[03:11] <Flying_Eagle> i suggest you to burn a ubuntu-breezer-install cd
[03:12] <Flying_Eagle> so you can install it on a fresh partition after you fucked your running system >:)
[03:12] <Flying_Eagle> no it didnt
[03:12] <nalioth> i second that motion (burn todays daily breezy image)
[03:12] <nalioth> but i second it for other reasons
[03:13] <Flying_Eagle> the problem is the new module-structure of X
[03:13] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: it took me a lot of time to apt-get -d dist-upgrade , I don't have the bandwidth to download a cd image
[03:14] <Flying_Eagle> damn. then try, but be prepared to do some fixing in xorg.conf and stuff
[03:14] <Flying_Eagle> hint: X failed to load the keyboard-driver/module/whatever in my case
[03:15] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: umm kbd verses keyboard ( wasn't that fixed when we switched from xfree to xorg )?
[03:15] <nalioth> hussam: why not wait a couple of weeks?
[03:15] <nalioth> breezy will release oct 13
[03:16] <Flying_Eagle> cuz were all horny for the higher versionnumbers, nalioth ;)
[03:17] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: indeed
[03:29] <hydrogen> erm
[03:29] <hydrogen> am I correct in thinking somethings wrong?
[03:29] <hydrogen>  7271 hydrogen  15   0 1354m 600m  720 S  0.0 59.3  53:14.15 gam_server
[03:30] <nalioth> gam_server indexes your directorys
[03:30] <nalioth> if you are actively adding things (such as nntp feed) and have nautilus open, you'll see that
[03:31] <hydrogen> well, I'm not adding stuff that actively
[03:31] <hydrogen> and konqueror is not looking at any local directories
[03:32] <hydrogen> cause this doesn't seem right
[03:32] <hydrogen> Mem:       1036648    1022816      13832          0       6856     144904
[03:32] <nalioth> you can kill it if you like, it'll restart when something calls it
[03:32] <hydrogen> aye
[03:32] <hydrogen> just did that
[03:32] <hydrogen> Mem:       1036648     360428     676220          0       6836     144672
[03:32] <hydrogen> much better
[04:00] <hussam> nalioth: will all these upgrade bugs be fixed by breezy final?
[04:08] <mike23> greetinga
[04:12] <mike23> greetings
[04:27] <marndt> I am using ndiswrapper 1.0rc2...my ndiswrapper and drivers are installed, and I get a signal from my access point, but my wlan0 refuses to stay active...please help! :)
[04:56] <[Relic] > what is the name of the hardware monitoring package?
[05:01] <Ex-Cyber> [Relic] : I'm not sure what you mean by "the" hardware monitoring package... try doing a synaptic name+description search for "sensors"
[05:02] <suresh> lm-sensors
[05:02] <suresh> gkrellm
[05:03] <suresh> oh - has anybody been talking about ipw2200 1.0.6 (centrino wifi drivers) timing out when theyre installed
[05:03] <crimsun> 1.0.6 works fine here
[05:03] <suresh> the last time i tried this - in slackware - it was a udev bug (well, a redundant rule of some sort) that was causing the timeout
[05:03] <suresh> it works
[05:03] <suresh> but when i bootup dhcp times out
[05:04] <suresh> so i have to fire it up manually
[05:04] <suresh> echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout - that's a temporary fix and has to be stuck somewhere in the initscripts
[05:04] <crimsun> definitely works here, WEP, WPA2 and all
[05:04] <suresh> and its a kludge for whats basically a udev misconfig
[05:04] <suresh> [hoary by the way - not moved to breezy yet with its 2.6.12.x etc]
[05:04] <koalah> in gnome I tried "kdesu kynaptic" and it asked for root password, then rejected my password?
[05:04] <crimsun> I haven't run Hoary in several months
[05:05] <suresh> thats another one that i have ... kdesu asks for the root passwd and refuses to accept it
[05:05] <suresh> me, i moved to hoary after something like 8 years of slackware
[05:05] <koalah> i don't get it
[05:05] <crimsun> are you using the 3.4.2 packages for Hoary?
[05:06] <suresh> 3.4.0-ubuntu3
[05:06] <crimsun> ah, you're neither using hoary-security or hoary-updates
[05:06] <suresh> ?!?
[05:07] <suresh> deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe
[05:07] <suresh> deb-src http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe
[05:07] <suresh> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[05:07] <suresh> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[05:07] <suresh> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[05:07] <suresh> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[05:07] <crimsun> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[05:07] <suresh> hoary-security and hoary-updates looks just fine there
[05:07] <suresh> but what has that to do with udev
[05:07] <suresh> oh with that other kde thing  - thanks
[05:07] <crimsun> (I'm talking about kdesu now)
[05:08] <koalah> is there a gnome kdesu like "gdesu"?
[05:10] <crimsun> gksu, but gksudo is preferred
[05:18] <suresh> can you post your udev.rules somewhere please?
[05:18] <suresh>  /etc/udev/udev.rules
[05:18] <suresh> crimsun: that is
[05:18] <suresh> i'd like to diff it with the current udev.rules, see if theres anything that causes this -
[05:18] <crimsun> suresh: I'm at work on an XP workstation which doubles as my Breezy machine, so unfortunately, no.
[05:19] <nalioth> crimsun: isnt that a oxymoron?
[05:19] <crimsun> which part?
[05:19] <suresh>
[05:20] <suresh> a/udev-064-i486-2.tgz:  Commented out the new lines in udev.rules.  It seems

[05:20] <suresh>    like these aren't really needed now that the symlink in

[05:20] <suresh>    /etc/hotplug.d/default/ was restored, and having them there causes a race

[05:20] <suresh>    race condition that can cause things like wireless adaptors that need to

[05:20] <suresh>    load firmware to fail to initialize.

[05:20] <suresh>    Thanks to Andreas Liebschner and Philip Langdale for helping debug this.
[05:20] <suresh> thats from the slackware changelog
[05:20] <suresh> so post the lot if you can
[05:20] <suresh> its a tiny file
[05:20] <crimsun> I'd love to, but I simply don't have access atm
[05:21] <suresh> anybody else with breezy, folks?
[05:25] <nalioth> crimsun: "XP workstation"
[05:26] <crimsun> nalioth: heh, if only it were
[05:31] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > hi guys..!!
[05:32] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > what have i to do to upgrade my version of kubuntu to Breezy Badger ?
[05:32] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > and more important... do you suggest me to wait or not?
[05:32] <nalioth> Tallia1[UbuntU] : i recommend waiting til at least the 1st of October
[05:35] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > ok, i'll wait
[05:35] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > but what i have to do to upgrade?
[05:36] <marndt> What's the gnome version of rdesktop?
[05:36] <marndt> I want to do an apt-get install of it
[05:36] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > nalioth: ? tnx
[05:37] <nalioth> !tell Tallia1[UbuntU]  about upgrade2breezy
[05:41] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > hi!!
[05:43] <[Relic] > I get a fail for setting sensor values? at the startup, I just wanted something that I could check the hardware temps with
[06:06] <hussam> nalioth: do know if by breezy final developers will work on bugs that might prevent an upgrade?
[06:07] <nalioth> hussam: of course they are
[06:08] <hussam> nalioth: ok that's good news. Then I'll just wait till next mounth an upgrade.
[06:08] <nalioth> hussam: yes, final release is on oct 13, i believe
[06:09] <hussam> nalioth: Yeah I say the schedule yesterday.
[06:10] <nalioth> the thing about *nix that a lot of folks dont get: *nix is valued for its stability, not the "bling" value
[06:16] <jesusfish> anyone here know what processor type a Sempron 64-bit is considered?
[06:16] <nalioth> amd64 covers 64-bit procs
[06:17] <nalioth> otw, use k7 or 686
[06:17] <jesusfish> nalioth: as in when building a kernel
[06:17] <jesusfish> is it a K8?
[06:17] <nalioth> amd64 covers 64-bit procs
[06:17] <jesusfish> k
[06:17] <jesusfish> I wasn't sure if the sem. would fit in there as it's a bit different
[06:18] <nalioth> 64-bit is 64-bit
[06:18] <nalioth> amd64 covers intel EMT64, itanium, amd athlon64, etc and et al
[06:19] <jesusfish> nalioth: k, thx
[06:20] <jesusfish> stupid nvidia driver seems to have issues with breezy's 2.6.12 kernel source
[06:20] <nalioth> nvidia has issues, period
[06:20] <jesusfish> lol
[06:21] <jesusfish> last I heard, they had better drivers than ATI for performance for Linux
[06:22] <nalioth> yes, but they dont play well in some other situations, <ahem>
[06:22] <jesusfish> I'll eventually need them for dual-display
[06:22] <jesusfish> I was told to go nVidia
[06:23] <nalioth> nvidia does have better driver support, but idk about compiling kernels with it
[06:23] <jesusfish> well, even with the stock breezy kernels
[06:23] <jesusfish> at least the 2.6.12 one
[06:30] <jesusfish> there any amarok 1.3 packages anywhere for breezy?
[06:33] <nalioth> !info amarok breezy
[06:33] <ubotu> amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2:1.2.4-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 5727 kB, Installed size: 11292 kB
[06:37] <[Relic] > Anyone awake?
[06:39] <nalioth> i'm awake
[06:40] <[Relic] > is there a gui to use with lm-sensor?
[06:41] <[Relic] > ksensor or gkrellm were sugessted but I can't seem to find them
[06:43] <nalioth> are all your repositories enabled?
[06:43] <[Relic] > don't know, just installed it today and still getting things running
[06:45] <nalioth> !tell [Relic]  about sources
[06:45] <nalioth> !info gkrellm
[06:45] <ubotu> gkrellm: (Multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] ), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.4-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 952 kB
[06:46] <nalioth> [Relic] : enable your repos and you'll find gkrellm
[07:22] <m3t00> i like it
[07:22] <m3t00> breezy is good
[07:45] <shik45> holla
[07:48] <shik45> anyone here use Kompose'
[07:48] <shik45> it doms guys
[07:48] <shik45> use it
[07:49] <chavo> shik45, I have it running, I was trying it out.
[07:49] <shik45> u like chavo
[07:50] <chavo> It's cool, but I don't really need it.
[07:50] <shik45> true
[07:50] <shik45> for desktop user
[07:50] <shik45> good for disorganized
[07:50] <shik45> btw i love kshutdown 2
[07:50] <shik45> it is helpful for like sleeptimer for music
[07:51] <shik45> and turing comp off at end of process
[07:51] <chavo> I have multiple desktops and don't maximize apps that much.
[08:01] <pvh> Is kompose available by default in the new Kubuntu?
[08:03] <blake> I want to buy an Ipod... wondering if anyone has successfully mounted one with kubuntu...
[08:04] <blake> I have done some googling... seems easy enough, but just wanted to hear first hand if the ipod is a breeze on linux
[08:04] <blake> kubunut/ubuntu whatever
[08:06] <chavo> pvh, I'm not sure I'm running my own build of KDE.
[08:07] <chavo> pvh, looks like it's in there
[08:07] <pvh> neato. i love expose.
[08:07] <chavo> I just apt-cache searched it.
[08:07] <pvh> I'm doing a string-replace upgrade right now. It seemed to dislike my extra repos so I disabled the controversial ones and now things are going better.
[08:08] <pvh> Also, had some trouble with files moving between kdevelop3 packages.
[08:08] <pvh> Nothing a little --force couldn't fix.
[08:09] <pvh> I wonder if that nvidia driver has been built for my kernel yet or if I'll still be doing that by hand.
[08:12] <shik45> ipod works fine with ubuntu with gtkpodf
[08:13] <shik45> ipod is fine with Linux!
[08:13] <shik45> automounts on Ubuntu i think
[08:13] <shik45> it did in Mepis i know
[08:13] <shik45> i used my old pod with Ubuntu
[09:24] <rolf> Hi! I have ubuntu-breezy installed and would like install kde. What are the repositories for kubuntu-breezy?
[09:24] <jk-> repos are the same
[09:25] <jk-> 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' will do it, i believe
[09:25] <jk-> or just apt-get isntall kde
[09:26] <jk-> if you only want kde, not the default settings, etc.
[09:26] <nalioth> kubuntu-desktop gets you the whole banana
[09:26] <jk-> yep
[09:26] <jk-> :)
[09:27] <jk-> go banana!
[09:27] <aftertaf> the man from delmonte, he says yeah!!!
[09:27] <rolf> Thanks. Now that was easy! :)
[09:56] <rem_> .
[09:56] <rem_> hey
[09:57] <rem_> i have 99 updates for ubuntu today....is that normal to have so many ? (I never had more than ~10 updates at the time till now..)
[09:58] <bobbyd> rem_, sounds weird
[09:58] <bobbyd> rem_, unless you're using breezy
[09:59] <rem_> no hoary ...it looks weird to me too ,...
[10:00] <rem_> my apt sources havent changed ..
[10:06] <aftertaf> rem... 73 today for hoary
[10:07] <aftertaf> mostly on xorg server
[10:17] <aftertaf> and have updated, now have errors.....
[10:17] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2145
[10:18] <lonewolff> hey, im trying to install kubuntu on my imac on the instalation dies, when it gets to configure a multiseat system, anyone got any ideas?
[10:20] <lonewolff> i see a bugzilla entry, but that relates to isa vga, and i dont think the imac as isa vga, altho im not sure
[10:21] <jk-> lonewolff: how does it die? machine still up? any logs (check other VTs too)?
[10:21] <aftertaf> sud apt-get -f install fixed it though
[10:21] <aftertaf> +o
[10:21] <lonewolff> jk-: it just says instalation step failed the failing step is: configure a multiseat system
[10:22] <jk-> check the other VTs for any messages: alt+F1, alt+F2 .. alt+F6
[10:23] <lonewolff> jk-: i also have INFO: falling back to the package description for multiseat-udeb
[10:23] <jk-> hmm, no idea here :/
[10:24] <lonewolff> i did an integrity check on the cd and all is well
[10:24] <lonewolff> i may try the solution for the isa problem
[10:26] <spiral> hi
[10:27] <spiral> does anyone here know why amaroK is still in 1.2.4 in breezy ?
[10:28] <aftertaf> kde 3.5 end of october
[10:31] <spiral> aftertaf: ? was it an answer to my question ?
[10:31] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:31] <aftertaf> sort of, but not really... more a random comment blurted out. Sorry !!!
[10:31] <mornfall> moin moin
[10:31] <aftertaf> yop pete :)
[10:31] <aftertaf> is there a later versionof amaroK?
[10:31] <spiral> aftertaf: all right, because I didn't think it was related
[10:31] <mornfall> aftertaf: adept 0.4.1 (beta2) should have hit breezy
[10:31] <spiral> aftertaf: 1.3.1 is out
[10:32] <mornfall> aftertaf: if you are interested :)
[10:32] <spiral> aftertaf: & is really nice...
[10:32] <spiral> I've been trying to backport it, but I faced error
[10:32] <spiral> s
[10:32] <aftertaf> yeah :D not on breezy though.....
[10:33] <aftertaf> daren't yet... if i break it im not good on recovering without reinstall.:/
[10:33] <spiral> ;-)
[10:34] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:34] <aftertaf> true its in sarge as 1.3
[10:34] <aftertaf> but hoary 1.2.3 and breezy 1.2.4
[10:34] <spiral> aftertaf: even sarge has it, damn it :-P
[10:34] <aftertaf> sarge is satble now, right?
[10:34] <spiral> aftertaf: yeah
[10:35] <spiral> so maybe sid even has 1.3.1 :-P
[10:35] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:35] <aftertaf> testing/unstable pwns.
[10:35] <aftertaf> till you update and your deb dies...
[10:35] <aftertaf> which unpwns a lot:!
[10:36] <spiral> ;-)
[10:37] <aftertaf> sid has 1.3 beta 2
[10:38] <aftertaf> spiral:  build the source tarball.... :)
[10:38] <aftertaf> mornfall:  cant get it if not on breezy right?
[10:38] <spiral> aftertaf: I wanted to make a .deb
[10:38] <mornfall> aftertaf: oh, bah
[10:38] <mornfall> aftertaf: forgot :)
[10:38] <aftertaf> u can from tarball right?
[10:38] <aftertaf> mornfall:  hehe :D
[10:38] <spiral> aftertaf: I tried to backport it, but I didn't manage to
[10:39] <spiral> mornfall: could you help me ?
[10:39] <aftertaf> what actually is backport?
[10:39] <spiral> aftertaf: I mean I apt-get source amarok, detar the newest source, copy the debian folder in the new source & dch the new source before debuilding it
[10:40] <mornfall> spiral: i'd guess you are better of apt-get source amarok from breezy
[10:40] <mornfall> off*
[10:40] <mornfall> whatever
[10:40] <spiral> mornfall: that's what I did
[10:40] <spiral> mornfall: but I couldn't achieve the compilation because of a file it doesn't find
[10:41] <mornfall> *shrug* fix it then :-)
[10:41] <aftertaf> ehe
[10:41] <mornfall> what can i advise you
[10:41] <aftertaf> makes it sound SO easy
[10:41] <spiral> mornfall: didn't manage to... :-/
[10:41] <aftertaf> can you get tarball and convert direct to .deb? dont that work ?
[10:42] <spiral> mornfall: whouah... this means you might be more able than I am to rebuild it ? :-P
[10:42] <mornfall> maybe someone would dare to backport adept? :-)
[10:42] <mornfall> hoary?
[10:42] <aftertaf> yep
[10:42] <aftertaf> what is backporting anyway?
[10:43] <mornfall> aftertaf: rebuilding newer version (say breezy) against older system (say hoary)
[10:43] <mornfall> spiral: dude breezy has 1.2.4
[10:43] <aftertaf> To make a feature from a later version of a piece of software available in an earlier version. Backporting of features enables users of the older version to benefit from a feature without upgrading fully.
[10:43] <spiral> mornfall: & we're now to 1.3.1, which is really better..
[10:44] <mornfall> spiral: i'd have to backport from sid tho, not breezy
[10:44] <mornfall> spiral: which distro you want to build it for?
[10:44] <spiral> mornfall: breezy
[10:44] <aftertaf> and hary ;)
[10:44] <spiral> aftertaf: :-)
[10:44] <mornfall> bah
[10:45] <spiral> mornfall: ?
[10:45] <mornfall> after you build adept for hoary i build amarok :-)
[10:45] <aftertaf> how do i build for hoary?
[10:45] <spiral> mornfall: pleaeaeaease !!!
[10:46] <spiral> mornfall: 'sorry, no longer have hoary...
[10:47] <gsuveg> re
[10:47] <gsuveg> how can i put suspend my notebook on konsole ?
[10:47] <mornfall> i'll try building on breez
[10:47] <mornfall> breezy*
[10:48] <spiral> mornfall: if you're talking about amaroK, and you want some help, or manage to do so, please highlight me
[10:48] <_rolf> Hi! Can anyone help me getting my laptop special keys (Fn+xy) for volume mute/up/down to work with kubuntu. They do work in Gnome and I am able to capture the key events with xev...
[10:49] <spiral> _rolf: could you try to change your keyboard type in kcontrol ?
[10:49] <spiral> _rolf: something like "compaq internet keyboard" often works
[10:50] <_rolf> spiral: I will try this, just one second...
[10:51] <mornfall> let's see, amarok building on breezy
[10:52] <spiral> mornfall: good luck
[10:52] <_rolf> spiral: Cool, it works. I choosed some Laptop keyboard. Thanks!
[10:53] <spiral> _rolf: you're welcome
[10:55] <mornfall> i need new hardware
[10:55] <mornfall> booh
[10:55] <mornfall> and loads of ram to refit all the aging machines
[10:55] <mornfall> hrm
[10:56] <aftertaf> mornfall:  what type of ram?
[10:56] <aftertaf> i got a lot of P1 mmx with edo hanging a round
[10:56] <mornfall> ddram
[10:57] <mornfall> something like 2G of it
[10:57] <aftertaf> oh....
[10:58] <mornfall> well, yeah
[10:58] <aftertaf> don't have  any.
[10:58] <mornfall> being a developer ain't cheap :)
[10:58] <aftertaf> lol
[10:59] <mornfall> (ideally, i would get a new notebook and a new workstation)
[11:04] <mornfall> it's generating documentation
[11:04] <mornfall> (evil xml processing slower than gcc)
[11:05] <mornfall> argh, i got stuff stuck in NEW on ekhis
[11:07] <spiral> mornfall: how is your amaroK compilation ? ;-)
[11:08] <mornfall> spiral: signing
[11:08] <mornfall> done
[11:09] <spiral> mornfall: version 1.3.1 works ?
[11:09] <mornfall> spiral: i can't verify if it works, i am building on a machine kilometers away from me
[11:09] <aftertaf> loool.
[11:10] <aftertaf> ssh pwns to :)
[11:10] <spiral> mornfall: if you can give me the .debs, I can check on one of my machines
[11:10] <aftertaf> mornfall:  shold i go breezy for the adept b2?
[11:10] <mornfall> aftertaf: probably not yet
[11:11] <mornfall> aftertaf: i _may_ build on hoary
[11:11] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:11] <spiral> mornfall: have you got an easy way to share the .debs ?
[11:12] <mornfall> spiral: deb http://lorien.mornfall.net/amarok-breezy-backport/ ./ should do
[11:12] <mornfall> spiral: be gentle on it, it's only megabit upload
[11:12] <spiral> mornfall: nice... just trying it... & I won't kill it :-)
[11:15] <spiral> mornfall: just a precision about version numbering : ubuntu amarok version numbers begin with 2:, so your package doesn't appear as updated
[11:15] <mornfall> spiral: ah, well, too bad, i stick with sid versioning
[11:16] <spiral> I'll force versionning, then
[11:17] <mornfall> Riddell: why did you bump the epoch, for goodness sake?
[11:17] <mornfall> oh, 1.2beta
[11:18] <mornfall> silly :p
[11:18] <spiral> mornfall: don't manage to install it with synaptic :-/
[11:19] <spiral> mornfall: I can't force him to d/l it from your repo with the old fashionned version number :-/
[11:19] <mornfall> spiral: apt-get install amarok=<version> amarok-<engine>=<version>
[11:20] <spiral> mornfall: 'm trying it right now
[11:20] <mornfall> that epoch thing is a snafu
[11:22] <mornfall> ubuntu needs updated version of debchange gnah
[11:23] <aftertaf> f**k it, i'm gonna go breezy
[11:23] <mornfall> aftertaf: make a chroot :)
[11:23] <mornfall> or no
[11:23] <spiral> mornfall: this works nicely
[11:23] <aftertaf> what????
[11:23] <aftertaf> lol i'm such a n00b at times!
[11:24] <mornfall> aftertaf: man debootstrap, man chroot
[11:24] <mornfall> aftertaf: :)
[11:24] <mornfall> aftertaf: i am running lots of things chrooted :)
[11:24] <aftertaf> make a new root filesystem, thatit?
[11:24] <aftertaf> nope.
[11:25] <mornfall> aftertaf: (given i run debian sid, sarge and kubuntu hoary, breezy on one, and fedora3, rawhide, rhel3, rhel4 and debian sid on second machine.....)
[11:25] <aftertaf> 4 differents dists per machine? whoa!
[11:26] <mornfall> well, chroots
[11:26] <mornfall>  11:24:11 up 164 days, 20:49,  7 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.27, 0.45
[11:26] <mornfall> ^^ i don't really reboot :-)
[11:26] <aftertaf> fknl
[11:27] <aftertaf> fk/me !!
[11:27] <aftertaf> 4 installs, 4 separate /, but access to different ones all at once.
[11:27] <aftertaf> that right?
[11:28] <mornfall> aftertaf: kind of, yeah... you just can't run say named in each, i have all the services running on master
[11:28] <mornfall> aftertaf: i get shell in each of the distros and i share a single x server for them
[11:29] <mornfall> (well, i _could_ run separate KDE sessions for each, but that's kinda futile, and i don't have that much ram either ;P)
[11:30] <mornfall> aftertaf: separate /, but shared /home, too
[11:30] <kairu0> hey all
[11:31] <aftertaf> mornfall:  do i need to have a separate partition?
[11:31] <aftertaf> *obviously...*
[11:32] <mornfall> aftertaf: no
[11:32] <aftertaf> i'm gonna need help figuring that out.... if you have 5 mins (i know my way around linux a bit.......)
[11:32] <mornfall> aftertaf: basic steps:
[11:33] <mornfall> aftertaf: debootstrap <distrtibution> <directory> (man debootstrap for details)
[11:33] <mornfall> aftertaf: sudo mount --bind /home/ <directory>/home
[11:33] <mornfall> aftertaf: (sudo debootstrap of course)
[11:33] <mornfall> aftertaf: sudo mount --bind /tmp <directory>/tmp
[11:34] <mornfall> aftertaf: sudo mount none <directory>/proc -t proc
[11:34] <mornfall> aftertaf: sudo chroot <directory>
[11:35] <mornfall> aftertaf: (the debootstrap step only works for debian based distros, with RH it's more complicated)
[11:35] <aftertaf> hehe dont care, always been a deb user ;)
[11:35] <mornfall> sudo chroot <directory> su - $LOGNAME
[11:35] <mornfall> will give you user login shell in the chroot
[11:35] <mornfall> you need to sync /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow into the <directory>
[11:36] <mornfall> maybe krb5.conf, resolv.conf etc... depends
[11:36] <mornfall> i have scripts to do most of this :-)
[11:37] <mornfall> spiral: did the amarok download?
[11:37] <mornfall> spiral: hmm, oops, i did an unstripped build :P
[11:37] <spiral> mornfall: it downloaded & works fine
[11:37] <mornfall> so it's a _bit_ big :-)
[11:38] <mornfall> spiral: cool
[11:38] <spiral> mornfall: thank you very much
[11:38] <mornfall> if we meet you owe me a beer ;-)
[11:39] <spiral> mornfall: I live in France :-)
[11:39] <aftertaf> spiral:  ou ca?
[11:40] <aftertaf> mornfall:  thx dude, so do I ;)
[11:40] <mornfall> i'll get really drunk if i meet everyone who owes me some alcohol ;-)
[11:41] <mornfall> ooh, uncle?
[11:41] <spiral> aftertaf: Toulouse
[11:42] <spiral> mornfall: :-)
[11:42] <mornfall> (Kevin "ervin" Ottens)
[11:42] <aftertaf> ah, a bit far, i had a job interview for a airbus linked company
[11:42] <aftertaf> in toulouse... merignac actually.
[11:43] <aftertaf> mornfall:  yep, my sister just became a mum ;)
[11:43] <mornfall> actually, ervin is from Toulouse, too :)
[11:43] <mornfall> aftertaf: :-)
[11:44] <spiral> :-)
[11:44] <aftertaf> i'm in ROuen
[11:45] <spiral> aftertaf: nice town
[11:45] <aftertaf> yeah, it is...... Toulouse was nice too... hot though!
[11:45] <aftertaf> you french Monsieur spirale ?
[11:46] <aftertaf> mornfall:  ill give the deboot thingy a try... :)
[11:46] <spiral> aftertaf: yeah I am
[11:46] <CaiN_SA> its so kewl seeing all these different peopole
[11:46] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:47] <aftertaf> true.
[11:47] <CaiN_SA> wheres that ?
[11:48] <aftertaf> Rouen, Normandy, north of France ...
[11:48] <CaiN_SA> kewl
[11:48] <CaiN_SA> im from south africa
[11:48] <CaiN_SA> :)
[11:48] <spiral> does anyone here know how I could rebuild a kernel with the same patches as in breezy (for bootsplash for example) using latest kernel tree from kernel.org ?
[11:48] <aftertaf> you yep... saw that ;)
[11:48] <aftertaf> it IS cool.
[11:48] <CaiN_SA> how you see ?
[11:49] <aftertaf> rightclick your nick... :)
[11:49] <CaiN_SA> spiral, no you cant do with same patches
[11:49] <CaiN_SA> heh
[11:49] <CaiN_SA> :)
[11:50] <spiral> CaiN_SA: in fact, I've got a bug with breezy kernel & my laptop, that makes it freeze randomly, as hoary's one did, & I would like to know how to rebuil my own light kernel, with bootsplash & inotify still working
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> see spiral
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> patches are made for a certain kernel version
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> so you cant apply them to the new kernel
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> if i was you
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> i would report the bug to the ubuntu devel team
[11:51] <spiral> CaiN_SA: which kernel is in breezy then ? <IP_ADDRESS> or other ?
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> so they can sort it out for you
[11:51] <CaiN_SA> 2.6.12-8
[11:52] <spiral> CaiN_SA: yeah, but which kernel.org version does it match ?
[11:53] <CaiN_SA> erm 2.6.12 obviously
[11:53] <spiral> I don't know how to report the bug, 'cuz I don't know what exactly causes it, I just have a .config that normally works without bug, that's all
[11:53] <spiral> CaiN_SA: just 2.6.12, not <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:53] <CaiN_SA> not sure
[11:53] <CaiN_SA> hold
[11:53] <CaiN_SA> no i dunno
[11:54] <spiral> CaiN_SA: 'aight, I shall see this afternoon, thanks for the tips
[11:54] <spiral> 'bye
[12:21] <livio> hi!
[12:22] <livio> is there someone?!?
[12:24] <CaiN_SA> < - >
[12:24] <livio> hi! I'm not alone... :-)
[12:26] <livio> ehm... bye...
[12:26] <CaiN_SA> lol
[12:43] <aftertaf> mornfall:  what'll be the url for breezy debootstrap?
[12:44] <mornfall> aftertaf: what url?
[12:44] <aftertaf> ive instaled debootstrap, and created a /breezy dir
[12:44] <mornfall> sudo debootstrap breezy /breezy?
[12:45] <aftertaf> now to use debootstrap i need to type sudo debootstrap breezy /breezy url:
[12:45] <aftertaf> to d/l packages etc...
[12:45] <mornfall> aftertaf: well, put your mirror url there
[12:45] <aftertaf> i dont think i have one....
[12:45] <aftertaf> grab one from sources.list?
[12:47] <aftertaf> http://fr.archive/ubuntu.com/breezy ?   that look ok?
[12:47] <mornfall> sure
[12:47] <mornfall> archive.ubuntu not /
[12:47] <aftertaf> yeah my error ;)
[12:48] <aftertaf> hmm: says no such script /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy
[12:50] <aftertaf> got sth....
[12:50] <aftertaf> need the debootstrap breezy package first.
[12:52] <aftertaf> crumbs...
[12:52] <aftertaf> hehe, ive got the deb...
[12:53] <aftertaf> ok... debootstrap uses wget, am i right?
[12:55] <mornfall> no idea :p
[12:55] <mornfall> --> food
[12:56] <aftertaf> ok.
[12:56] <aftertaf> set proxy in wget, but no joy.....
[01:07] <aftertaf> got it...
[01:07] <aftertaf> http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/
[01:07] <aftertaf> didnt have right rl;
[01:07] <snatch> Sup bros?
[01:08] <aftertaf> eh?
[01:26] <Almindor> anyone else has got so godamn slow transparency selector?
[01:26] <Almindor> (the rectangle you get when selecting stuff)
[01:40] <aftertaf> mornfall:  i've just chrooted :)
[01:40] <mornfall> aftertaf: good :)
[01:40] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:41] <mornfall> apt-get install adept ;-)
[01:41] <mornfall> well, add the sources.list lines and such
[01:41] <aftertaf> sudo: unable to lookup dell-laptop via gethostbyname()
[01:44] <aftertaf> grf... what does that mean?
[01:46] <aftertaf> when i try to chroot back, i get the same error
[01:54] <eckhart> hi
[01:55] <eckhart> in kubuntu breezy preview network settings don't work properly with me
[01:55] <eckhart> it always tells me that the platform could not be detected
[01:56] <hettar> will a dist-upgrade from stable to breezy work ??
[01:58] <DocTomoe> hettar: I plan to do this to my laptop in about 2 hours ... if you are patient, I can tell you afterwards ;)
[01:59] <hettar> :) I was planning to do it on my laptop here as well.
[02:02] <aftertaf> hehehhe
[02:02] <aftertaf> i've installed debootstrap and have breezy on my hoary.
[02:02] <aftertaf> :D
[02:02] <aftertaf> :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
[02:07] <aftertaf> ok, copied over sources list to /breezy/
[02:07] <aftertaf> apt-updating
[02:07] <CaiN_SA> hehe
[02:07] <CaiN_SA> breezy is nice
[02:07] <aftertaf> chrooting to breezy
[02:08] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, you dont know how to change the image in usplash
[02:08] <CaiN_SA> ?
[02:08] <pl_ice> hi
[02:08] <aftertaf> i dont know what upsplash is, or if it has an image, so no i dont .... :)
[02:09] <CaiN_SA> ok aftertaf
[02:09] <aftertaf> ;p
[02:09] <CaiN_SA> its like bootsplash :)
[02:09] <pl_ice> hey, which partition can i choose for fat32, i treid c1 (fat32LBA) but xp didn't found it, need to to it again for a mate
[02:10] <pl_ice> using cfdisk...
[02:10] <aftertaf> c1 ?
[02:10] <pl_ice> that's just the abbrievation which cfdisk uses,
[02:11] <aftertaf> mornfall:  am updating apt
[02:11] <mornfall> aftertaf: there's a hoary build up :)
[02:11] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:11] <aftertaf> ok.
[02:11] <aftertaf> do i need to install X on my chroot?
[02:12] <mornfall> aftertaf: server? no, you don't need it
[02:12] <aftertaf> ok.
[02:12] <aftertaf> apt-get install adept will do.
[02:12] <mornfall> aftertaf: just run the x server from master, get a terminal, chroot in the terminal and your apps should work
[02:12] <aftertaf> ok.
[02:12] <aftertaf> yeah :D
[02:12] <mornfall> (you may need DISPLAY=:0)
[02:13] <aftertaf> oki
[02:13] <pl_ice> found it ;) "OB"
[02:13] <aftertaf> i might need a stiff drink too ;) this is nuts
[02:14] <mornfall> plain water here :-)
[02:14] <aftertaf> :D
[02:15] <aftertaf> wow, as in W  O  W
[02:15] <mornfall> juice is already gone
[02:15] <aftertaf> linux is sooooo cool
[02:15] <mornfall> aftertaf: heh, s/linux/unix/
[02:15] <aftertaf>
[02:15] <aftertaf> ok, unix sarted it
[02:15] <aftertaf> like screen
[02:15] <aftertaf> screen rox too.
[02:15] <aftertaf> and ssh export display... hell its all mad.
[02:15] <mornfall> yeah, screen is fine
[02:16] <aftertaf> how do i access the master system when in a terminal chrooted to breezy?
[02:16] <mornfall> *yawn* damnit :)
[02:16] <mornfall> aftertaf: you don't :)
[02:16] <aftertaf> ok.
[02:16] <mornfall> aftertaf: open another terminal
[02:16] <aftertaf> good to know.
[02:16] <aftertaf> and copy from [.;]  to
[02:16] <mornfall> aftertaf: master sees all systems, chroots only see themselves
[02:16] <aftertaf> ok.
[02:16] <aftertaf> master is master ;)
[02:16] <mornfall> aftertaf: if you did the mounts, your /home is same
[02:17] <aftertaf> i did the mounts....
[02:17] <aftertaf> proc too...
[02:17] <aftertaf> systems within systems..... hehehe
[02:18] <aftertaf> can you have a separate system on a HDD and debootstrap it in a new system?
[02:18] <mornfall> aftertaf: you mean if you can install new debian machine with debootstrap on a running system and then move the drive and boot it?
[02:18] <mornfall> aftertaf: (yes that's possible)
[02:19] <mornfall> aftertaf: (but not completely straightforward)
[02:19] <aftertaf> ok... wont try yet ;)
[02:20] <mornfall> i actually installed debian cca 3 times... once woody and twice debian-installer ~beta
[02:20] <mornfall> hmm, maybe 2 woodys
[02:20] <mornfall> i can't remember anymore :)
[02:20] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:20] <aftertaf> this does rock !
[02:21] <mornfall> i usually just debootstrap, it is nicer :)
[02:21] <aftertaf> i didnt do the /etc/passwd synch though...
[02:21] <mornfall> no need to take the machine down for the install, too
[02:21] <aftertaf> and you just have a master X.
[02:21] <mornfall> aftertaf: well, as long as you work as root in the chroot it doesn't matter
[02:21] <aftertaf> ok.
[02:21] <mornfall> aftertaf: as soon as you need user, well, you need /etc/passwd
[02:22] <aftertaf> and synch != copying from master to chroot
[02:22] <mornfall> aftertaf: yes it means exactly that, in most cases :)
[02:22] <aftertaf> ok
[02:22] <aftertaf> thats what i did for apt/sources.list ;)
[02:23] <aftertaf> & hosts file too
[02:23] <mornfall> sources.list, well, you better edit that one :)
[02:23] <mornfall> to point to breezy
[02:23] <aftertaf> hehe, customised it dude ;)
[02:23] <mornfall> :-)
[02:24] <aftertaf> not all worked (ie backports....) but hey apt didnt complain.
[02:27] <spiral> I don't manage to install adept on breezy, keeps asking about sanekonsole... is it normal ?
[02:31] <marndt> Good morning everyone
[02:36] <aftertaf> er.... how do i run it with diplay :0 ??
[02:36] <aftertaf> spiral (i didn't) ;)
[02:36] <aftertaf> or (i cant)
[02:37] <aftertaf> hehe, tried running as root..... normal!
[02:37] <spiral> aftertaf: ;-)
[02:38] <aftertaf> mornfall....;   sudo: pam_authenticate: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info
[02:38] <aftertaf> what do i need to copy to the chroot?
[02:38] <aftertaf> /etc/passwd and...
[02:41] <mornfall> aftertaf: /etc/shadow
[02:41] <mornfall> aftertaf: /etc/group, /etc/gshadow
[02:41] <aftertaf> gshadow
[02:41] <aftertaf> ok. copied the rest
[02:42] <aftertaf> still no action..... when i sudo adept.
[02:42] <aftertaf> do i need to do the display thing?
[02:46] <aftertaf> mornfall:  i copied all those files, but stillcsudo adept does nothing, not even an error message... when root in chroot, i get the 0:0 refused message
[02:46] <mornfall> aftertaf: /etc/sudoers too :)
[02:47] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:47] <aftertaf> oki
[02:47] <aftertaf> ok. cant connect to X server.......
[02:48] <aftertaf> how do i use that display :0 parameter?
[02:48] <mornfall> aftertaf: DISPLAY=:0 app
[02:48] <aftertaf> sorry for pasting.......
[02:49] <aftertaf> david@dell-laptop:~$ DISPLAY=:0 sudo adept
[02:49] <aftertaf> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[02:49] <aftertaf> Xlib: No protocol specified
[02:49] <aftertaf> adept: cannot connect to X server :0
[02:49] <mornfall> aftertaf: hmm, it maybe doesn't like sudo? tried with kdesu?
[02:49] <aftertaf> oki
[02:50] <mornfall> (it works with sudo here, but then, this is debian)
[02:50] <aftertaf> i can sudo to apt-get
[02:51] <mornfall> aftertaf: sure, but x11 does some auth, and sudo could confuse it
[02:52] <aftertaf> true.... but that means at least that sudo works on chroot.
[02:52] <aftertaf> kdesu not installed... yet!
[02:52] <aftertaf> crap. kdesu not found.
[02:52] <aftertaf> checking repos.
[02:53] <aftertaf> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ breezy-updates main <--------- that's obviously not right ;)
[02:56] <aftertaf> what is the correct kde repository for breezy.....?
[03:03] <aftertaf> mornfall:  sorry..... i cant install kdesu, i dont have the right kde breezy repos.
[03:03] <mornfall> aftertaf: hmh
[03:04] <aftertaf> indeed ;)
[03:04] <mornfall> aftertaf: deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy universe
[03:04] <mornfall> aftertaf: worksforme(tm)
[03:04] <aftertaf> (tm) :)
[03:04] <mornfall> aftertaf: just put fr there i guess :)
[03:05] <aftertaf> i have that one(fr.)
[03:10] <aftertaf> kdesu is nota package...
[03:11] <aftertaf> it is a command that comes from another pakage
[03:12] <Chameleon22> anyone knows of a nice ogg to mp3 converter, also mov to mp3 converter?
[03:13] <aftertaf> mornfall:  i think it is in kdebase
[03:16] <mornfall> aftertaf: probably :)
[03:16] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:17] <aftertaf> there i was | apt-get install kdesu.... not found Grrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:17] <aftertaf> loool
[03:18] <aftertaf> so i install KDE ;)
[03:18] <aftertaf> pffffffffff all this just to test adept beta2
[03:18] <aftertaf> ;P
[03:26] <aftertaf> hmm. stil being refused by X authentification.
[03:26] <irad> hey
[03:26] <irad> where does the XF86Config-4 is in Kubuntu?
[03:26] <aftertaf> hey back ;)
[03:26] <aftertaf> it isnt.
[03:26] <CaiN_SA> irad, there isnt
[03:26] <aftertaf> its xorg.conf now
[03:27] <CaiN_SA> irad, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:27] <aftertaf> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:27] <CaiN_SA> lol aftertaf :P
[03:27] <aftertaf> :D
[03:27] <aftertaf> %P
[03:27] <CaiN_SA> Xorg > XFree
[03:27] <irad> got it
[03:27] <irad> thanks :P
[03:27] <aftertaf> reater than :D
[03:27] <aftertaf> G
[03:28] <aftertaf> nyone help for x security?
[03:28] <aftertaf> or should i return to the smokers room.
[03:28] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, what you meen ?
[03:28] <aftertaf> ive installed breezy as a chroot.
[03:28] <CaiN_SA> ya
[03:28] <aftertaf> and i want to run an X application, but i can't.
[03:28] <CaiN_SA> ah hold
[03:28] <CaiN_SA> ill check quick for you
[03:29] <aftertaf> david@dell-laptop:~$ kdesu adept
[03:29] <aftertaf> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[03:29] <aftertaf> ok
[03:29] <CaiN_SA> ya ya
[03:29] <CaiN_SA> you have to type a command to do it :P
[03:29] <CaiN_SA> X = full of crap sometimes
[03:29] <CaiN_SA> other pc booting quick
[03:29] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:29] <aftertaf> okI
[03:29] <aftertaf> tried xhost +localhost
[03:29] <CaiN_SA> i like it when ssh forwards X stuff
[03:30] <aftertaf> yeah.
[03:30] <CaiN_SA> that is like the best
[03:30] <aftertaf> but this aint a different machine...
[03:30] <CaiN_SA> ya i know
[03:30] <CaiN_SA> its in ubuntu
[03:30] <aftertaf> chroot can see master X server
[03:30] <CaiN_SA> when you say : sudo -s
[03:30] <CaiN_SA> and then type something
[03:30] <CaiN_SA> it also doesnyt work
[03:30] <aftertaf> as root or as user?
[03:31] <aftertaf> as user, no...
[03:31] <aftertaf> cant execute binary file, it says
[03:31] <aftertaf> mornfall:  testing adept on hoary
[03:32] <CaiN_SA> erm aftertaf
[03:32] <CaiN_SA> xhost +localhost doesnt work ?
[03:33] <aftertaf> nope
[03:33] <aftertaf> never has done for me even on sarge/wody
[03:33] <aftertaf> +o
[03:35] <CaiN_SA> hmm
[03:35] <mornfall> aftertaf: xhost + will probably make it work, but it's not very secure :-)
[03:35] <mornfall> CaiN_SA: +localhost probably only affects tcp/ip
[03:35] <CaiN_SA> mornfall, it should work dude
[03:35] <CaiN_SA> i got it in /etc/profile
[03:36] <aftertaf> still cant connect to X server
[03:36] <mornfall> CaiN_SA: *shrug* possible
[03:36] <CaiN_SA> maby it needs to be done there b4 x is run etc
[03:36] <CaiN_SA> but i dunno
[03:36] <mornfall> CaiN_SA: no, definitely not
[03:36] <CaiN_SA> mornfall, then i dunno
[03:36] <mornfall> aftertaf: have you mounted /tmp?
[03:36] <CaiN_SA> he can try it
[03:36] <CaiN_SA> and see if it works
[03:36] <mornfall> aftertaf: (it won't work otherwise)
[03:36] <mornfall> hey, it's JakubS
[03:37] <mornfall> what a surprize
[03:37] <aftertaf> i thnk so... as per what you told me.
[03:38] <aftertaf>  /tmp on /breezy/tmp type none (rw,bind)
[03:38] <aftertaf> on master
[03:38] <mornfall> aftertaf: no idea then... i'm running a kde session in debian sid, x server in fedora 3 and it works :)
[03:39] <mornfall> aftertaf: you are running as user, right?
[03:39] <aftertaf> to get to chrot? yes
[03:39] <aftertaf> oot
[03:39] <aftertaf> nevermind..... i see the changes to adept 0.4 in hoary anyway.
[03:39] <aftertaf> nice..... ;)
[04:09] <_stefan> Hello all :-)
[04:09] <Moopere> hiya
[04:10] <_stefan> I have a printing problem
[04:10] <_stefan> I can start by hand cupsys
[04:10] <_stefan> bur when I use kprint and do a reboot
[04:11] <_stefan> the cupsys is stopped and I get the message that there is no print server running
[04:11] <Moopere> if you start cupsys by hand, then use kprint does it work? (without the reboot?)
[04:11] <_stefan> When go through the logs there is something with no permission
[04:12] <_stefan> moment..
[04:12] <_stefan> kprint .. command not found
[04:12] <_stefan> ???
[04:13] <Moopere> warty, hoary or breezy?
[04:13] <rem_> hey
[04:14] <rem_> i have 99 updates for ubuntu today....is that normal to have so many ? (I never had more than ~10 updates at the time till now..)
[04:14] <Moopere> hiya
[04:14] <_stefan> I just do a fresh install hoary and a complete update, dont know what I have now
[04:14] <Moopere> #rem_ what version of ubuntu?
[04:14] <rem_> hoary
[04:15] <rem_> i did all the previous updates ..
[04:15] <Moopere> #_stefan i'm using breezy, have 'kprinter' here - seems to work
[04:15] <rem_> my apt sources havent changed ..
[04:15] <_stefan> breezy is the new version?
[04:16] <rem_> yup
[04:16] <Moopere> #rem_ I got a fair few updates on my hoary the other day - looks like someone fixed a few bugs
[04:16] <_stefan> hmm what is thge best way?
[04:16] <rem_> just wanted to make sure it wasnt a problem ..
[04:16] <Moopere> #_stefan Breezy is the beta version yes.  Should be released in October
[04:16] <rem_> ok
[04:17] <_stefan> aha, so I wait for the stable release
[04:17] <Moopere> #_stefan only a couple more weeks to wait
[04:17] <_stefan> why is kprint not found?
[04:17] <Moopere> #_stefan no big changes for kde users tho - it will still be 3.4.2
[04:17] <_stefan> kdeprint is installed!
[04:18] <_stefan> hmm there is a kubuntu package for kde 3.4.2
[04:18] <Moopere> #_stefan you got a printers section in kcontrol?
[04:19] <_stefan> yes there is
[04:19] <Moopere> #_stefan yes I use it on my hoary box - works good
[04:20] <_stefan> I believe I have a permission issue
[04:20] <Moopere> you know, I found kde 3.4.1 had some bugs - its worth upgrading to 3.4.2, is much better
[04:20] <_stefan> but dont know to solve this
[04:20] <_stefan> should I try kde 3.4.2?
[04:20] <Moopere> I would - fixes a few multimedia problems too
[04:21] <_stefan> and my problom flying away?
[04:21] <Moopere> maybe, maybe not.  I'm not having printing problems here, and I have upgraded to 3.4.2 a long time ago
[04:21] <Moopere> can't remember if I had some printing issues under 3.4.1
[04:22] <Moopere> I had some problems with kaffeine and amarok which is why I upgraded
[04:23] <_stefan> but there must be a solution now
[04:24] <_stefan> I want to solve such problems
[04:24] <_stefan> I have here now kde 3.4.0
[04:25] <_stefan> is there something knowing about this release?
[04:25] <_stefan> and printing issues?
[04:26] <_stefan> Why is kprint not found in console?
[04:26] <_stefan> can you enter kprint? and is it found?
[04:28] <OculusAquilae> rem_: i had 50 a day last week
[04:29] <Moopere> #_stefan under breezy, which is what I'm booted into now, there seems to be no kprint, but there is kprinter
[04:29] <Moopere> seems to work
[04:29] <_stefan> ohhh, okay mistake by me
[04:29] <_stefan> kprinter runs
[04:30] <Moopere> :)
[04:32] <ztonzy> oh no
[04:32] <ztonzy> spam again
[04:32] <_stefan> but  in kcontrol under the printer section I cant reboot the cupsd
[04:32] <_stefan> it crashes immidiatily the daemon
[04:33] <_stefan> and says that there is no running cups
[04:33] <_stefan> I can start cups again by hand in console
[04:33] <_stefan> with nmap I see port 631
[04:33] <_stefan> but rebooting or configuring in kcontrol chrashes the daemon
[04:34] <_stefan> nmap again- no port 631
[04:35] <_stefan> in console I see "unauthorized..."
[04:35] <_stefan> Im working as root
[04:35] <_stefan> so I dont understand this issue
[04:35] <Moopere> root access disabled for cups in ubuntu i think
[04:36] <Moopere> or was that admin only?  i cannot remember
[04:36] <Moopere> try log in as normal user
[04:37] <_stefan> I tried - the same . connection not allowed
[04:37] <Moopere> anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog?
[04:38] <Angel-SL> _stefan: can i PM?
[04:38] <Moopere> how about /var/log/cups/error_log
[04:40] <_stefan> angel yes, why not?
[04:40] <_stefan> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[04:40] <_stefan>

[04:40] <_stefan> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[04:40] <_stefan> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />

[04:41] <_stefan> StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 7f000001:631 - Keine Berechtigung.

[04:41] <_stefan> in error log is
[04:41] <_stefan> ups , soory
[04:41] <_stefan> StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address - no permission
[04:42] <Moopere> hmm
[04:42] <_stefan> for the address should there a IP-Address?
[04:42] <Moopere> I don't know - sounds like a cups error, not really a kde one.  Perhaps there are suggestions at the cups home page?
[04:43] <_stefan> In log : 7f000001:631
[04:43] <Moopere> #_stefan Yes, I would have thought an Ip address....this error looks like a real bug,.,,maybe
[04:43] <_stefan> It seems there should be an IP
[04:44] <_stefan> ohhhh.....
[04:45] <Moopere> have you tried a google search on that error?
[04:46] <_stefan> no, till now
[04:48] <Moopere> #_stefan I'm googling now - seems like a common problem
[04:51] <_stefan> yes
[04:51] <_stefan> but not a solution for it
[04:52] <_stefan> may I should try to compile the latest cups release?
[04:53] <_stefan> I reinstalled all cups relevant things but this give not the solution
[04:54] <_stefan> can you have a look to your cups error log?
[04:54] <_stefan> do you have similar addresses?
[04:54] <_stefan> or a IP?
[04:56] <_stefan> only a idea
[04:56] <_stefan> I get ma ip Addrss over dhcp
[04:57] <_stefan> ccould this cause this error or I have to edit a static IP?
[04:57] <_stefan> hmm I ll try
[05:11] <ManLord> anyone know of a good text based or visual html editor?
[05:23] <troy> how do I find out the kernel compiler version?
[05:31] <libben> thinking of reinstall hooray, breezy is a bit of a huzzle
[05:31] <libben> whats the eta on breezy?
[05:31] <libben> months?
[05:35] <foodcoman> I thought I saw something about the middle of next month.
[05:35] <foodcoman> Not sure if that included Kubuntu.
[05:36] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: kubuntu came out minutes after ubuntu with hoary, because they were ready first ;)
[05:36] <foodcoman> hahaha, awesome
[05:36] <Bambi_BOFH> it was funny sitting here waiting for the anouncement in ubuntu
[05:36] <libben> so when is breezy out with that understating?
[05:37] <foodcoman> I thought I saw the 13th of 15th.
[05:37] <Bambi_BOFH> all i know is next month. i think mid next tmonth
[05:37] <foodcoman> or
[05:37] <nicktastic> Hi, I just insalled kubuntu-desktop. On logging in to KDE for the first time via kdm, I have a big "Volume" dialog that has a progress bar/slider at 0%, and I can't figure out how to make it go away. Can anyone shed some light...?
[05:38] <nicktastic> Screenshot here: http://pathic.ath.cx/~nick/snap.png
[05:39] <Bambi_BOFH> i cant help sorry
[05:40] <foodcoman> Anyone here in the us with a breezy source list they would be willing to message me!
[05:40] <seth_k> nicktastic, do you have volume controls on your keyboard?
[05:40] <seth_k> foodcoman, coming your way now
[05:40] <foodcoman> Thanks seth
[05:40] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: repositries?
[05:40] <foodcoman> yeah
[05:40] <Bambi_BOFH> ah set by the look :)
[05:41] <foodcoman> I got errors in mine.
[05:41] <nicktastic> seth_k: Fn+PgUp/PgDown
[05:41] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: write it by hand a few times you work out how to fix errors :)
[05:41] <foodcoman> bwuahaha
[05:42] <foodcoman> I tried the old find hoary replace with breezy.
[05:42] <foodcoman> One of them barks at me.
[05:42] <seth_k> sent, foodcoman
[05:42] <seth_k> nicktastic, that's the dialog that appears on my laptop when I press my volume keys. What happens if you try pressing yours?
[05:42] <nicktastic> seth_k: Nothing
[05:42] <foodcoman> Thanks a million seth_k
[05:42] <seth_k> np foodcoman
[05:42] <seth_k> nicktastic, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com is your next step :)
[05:42] <libben> im thinking of getting down to hooray again.
[05:42] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: which repo didnt work?
[05:43] <seth_k> laptop buttons are one of the big pushes for Breezy, so they'll be glad for the bug
[05:43] <nicktastic> Wonderful :(
[05:43] <foodcoman> breezy-updates packages
[05:43] <foodcoman> Sorry have to read from a KVM switch
[05:43] <Bambi_BOFH> dont think breezy-updates exists does it?
[05:43] <foodcoman> Cant paste
[05:43] <Bambi_BOFH> lol
[05:44] <Bambi_BOFH> nah , its cool
[05:44] <foodcoman> Yeah I am sure.
[05:44] <foodcoman> the 404 http message was my first clue!  =D
[05:45] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: nah, all good. iirc there is no breezy-updates because breezy is always being up dated anyway
[05:45] <Bambi_BOFH> ill just check my list
[05:45] <nicktastic> Is there a way to disable support for laptop buttons?
[05:46] <Bambi_BOFH> i have breezy updates actualy :o
[05:46] <seth_k> yes, breezy-updates exists
[05:46] <seth_k> but is empty
[05:46] <Bambi_BOFH> ah right
[05:46] <Bambi_BOFH> but it shouldnt error like that :/
[05:46] <Bambi_BOFH> mine dont at any rate
[05:51] <foodcoman> I know typically that a reboot is not needed after updates!  However would it be true that they will not take effect in some cases until after a reboot?
[05:51] <Bambi_BOFH> yes. in some cases
[05:51] <foodcoman> KDE Xorg Kernel
[05:52] <Bambi_BOFH> kernel stuff should be rebooted, but not sure if thats kdes kernel
[05:52] <Bambi_BOFH> that your talking about
[05:52] <nicktastic> The only updates that should require a reboot, afaik, are kernel updates
[05:52] <Bambi_BOFH> require is the keyword. often its easyer to reboot then fsk around doing other tweaks if they dont aplly right
[05:53] <Bambi_BOFH> *gasp* i almost have 10k emails on my ISPs imap server :o
[05:58] <foodcoman> gonna take a week to update Hoary to breezy from the looks of it.
[05:58] <foodcoman> Hope dist-upgrade gets all the ones it said it couldnt update.
[05:58] <libben> thinking of going back to hooray,
[05:59] <Bambi_BOFH> thers 443 packages for a basic hoary -> breezy upgrade
[05:59] <Bambi_BOFH> libben: thts a reinstall
[05:59] <ManLord> anyone know of a good text based or visual html editor?
[05:59] <ManLord> preferrably for KDE
[05:59] <foodcoman> I figure if it blows appart, I will be able to hobble until breezy releases next month.
[06:00] <libben> Bambi_BOFH:  i know. but i miss a resp like extras that existed for hooray.
[06:00] <stefano> hi
[06:00] <JakubS> Riddell: are you going to update kdenetwork anytime soon?
[06:00] <stefano> i need help =)
[06:00] <Bambi_BOFH> libben: use hoary extras
[06:00] <Bambi_BOFH> ManLord: kate does, quanta?
[06:00] <libben> how is that gonna inflict when i update to the released breezy?
[06:00] <Bambi_BOFH> hi stefano
[06:01] <stefano> i tried to edit the xorg.conf but i cant go higher than 1280x1024 with the resolution
[06:01] <stefano> hi bambi
[06:01] <stefano> i thing xorg.conf is correct
[06:01] <stefano> but kde does not let me chose a higher res.
[06:01] <Bambi_BOFH> libben: depends what you change, but i dont know tbh
[06:01] <stefano> (just installed the nvidia driver)
[06:02] <ManLord> Bambi_BOFH: do you know of any that have things like auto completion? like add the last tag...
[06:02] <Riddell> JakubS: for what?
[06:02] <nicktastic> Disabling kmilo in System Settings -> KDE Components -> Service Manager fixed my problem
[06:02] <Bambi_BOFH> ManLord: quanta might, kdevelop is full on for html, but probably does that stuff. not realy sure
[06:03] <stefano> does any1 now how to fix the x thing?
[06:03] <JakubS> Riddell: you could re-enable compilation of kdenetwork/dnssd/ after kdnssd-avahi gets packaged
[06:03] <Bambi_BOFH> stefano: kde and x problems are not something im familar with
[06:03] <JakubS> this was last thing i tested and it works ok
[06:04] <stefano> ok, no problem. but this is really bad
[06:04] <Riddell> JakubS: it's a new feature so I'd need to talk to the powers that be, I suspect it's too late for breezy alas
[06:04] <stefano> i have expierienced teh same with suse.
[06:04] <stefano> but the problems came by installing nvidia drivers
[06:05] <Bambi_BOFH> stefano: did you install nvidias driver? or the one from the repostires?
[06:05] <JakubS> i see
[06:05] <stefano> i did it like i was told from ubuntuguide.org
[06:05] <Riddell> JakubS: but definatly for right after breezy
[06:05] <JakubS> ok then
[06:05] <stefano> apt-get install nvidia-glx / nvidia-config and smt
[06:05] <JakubS> even gnome-vfs is going to be ported to avahi :-)
[06:06] <Riddell> JakubS: and we can't let them beat us
[06:06] <Bambi_BOFH> stefano: is it a desktop or a laptop computer?
[06:06] <stefano> its a desktop
[06:06] <JakubS> Riddell: they are already beaten :-)
[06:07] <Bambi_BOFH> im wondering if you ahv to do mode lines or something silly
[06:07] <stefano> i have done such
[06:07] <stefano> (what a term...)
[06:07] <stefano> btw: i hate that there is no root
[06:07] <stefano> Modes  "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[06:07] <Bambi_BOFH> stefano: you can turn it on if you want
[06:08] <Riddell> JakubS: why is it just kdenetwork?  There's dnssd stuff in kdelibs isn't there?
[06:08] <stefano> yes i read about, but sudo works fine. at the beginning, it really pissed me off
[06:08] <foodcoman> Watching all the suff unpack to update (It will be a miracle if the machine functions)
[06:08] <stefano> 	HorizSync	28-120
[06:08] <stefano> 	VertRefresh	43-75
[06:08] <stefano> also this
[06:08] <JakubS> yes, and this stuff is replaced by kdnssd-avahi
[06:08] <JakubS> (that from kdelibs)
[06:09] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: why wont it?
[06:09] <stefano> those two edits should be enough - but for some reason, i cant go to 1600x1200 :( damn
[06:09] <Bambi_BOFH> stefano: well its not an x problem then. :(
[06:09] <Bambi_BOFH> its a kde thing i expect
[06:09] <foodcoman> I am sure it will, but when you work with Winblows for you job...........
[06:09] <stefano> i also think its the nvidia trash
[06:09] <JakubS> btw: avahi has currently 3 'native' applications and more than 10 from kde - you can say we hijacked it:-)
[06:10] <stefano> but i need it to play doom, quake and similar
[06:10] <Bambi_BOFH> stefano: yeh, sure
[06:10] <stefano> =)
[06:10] <Bambi_BOFH> :D
[06:10] <Bambi_BOFH> when x works ;)
[06:11] <Bambi_BOFH> yeh, thats fun
[06:11] <JakubS> even it is so stupid that it always starts on display :0
[06:11] <JakubS> completely defeating 'user switching' feature from kde
[06:11] <Bambi_BOFH> hm.?
[06:11] <stefano> i think i'll call nvidia and i'll tell them how much they suck. almost as much as ati
[06:12] <JakubS> hm? ati works just fine
[06:12] <stefano> friend of the devil
[06:12] <JakubS> until you enable composite
[06:12] <Bambi_BOFH> lol stefano
[06:12] <JakubS> then it looks really funny
[06:12] <stefano> i dont know, some friend of mine told me how much they suck
[06:12] <JakubS> oh, i heard it too lots of times
[06:12] <dooglio> well, the latest binary drivers won't work with my laptop
[06:13] <dooglio> so, i agree with stefano right now
[06:13] <stefano> 'cause he's got an ati card and there is no support at all
[06:13] <stefano> =)
[06:13] <JakubS> so i was really surprised when installing drivers took 3 minutes and everything just worked
[06:13] <dooglio> but my desktop is pretty happy
[06:13] <stefano> k.. i have to arrange myself with f*cking 1280x1024.. i think i will set the font size to 2px or something.. :\
[06:14] <G|Patrick> hi
[06:14] <Bambi_BOFH> hi G|Patrick
[06:14] <G|Patrick> ah someone notices me :D
[06:14] <G|Patrick> have a strange problem
[06:14] <stefano> hey patrick whats up
[06:14] <G|Patrick> i use gnome and have the kde libs installed
[06:14] <G|Patrick> now i try to use amarok within gnome
[06:14] <G|Patrick> it starts, but there is no sound
[06:14] <G|Patrick> any ideas what might wrong?
[06:15] <stefano> there were these two guys in irc. one of em sayd "hey sweetheart, whats your name" - the other one replied "patrick"
[06:15] <stefano> :D
[06:15] <dooglio> G|Patrick: kde might be set up to use arts
[06:15] <G|Patrick> urrrm no, thats not me
[06:15] <dooglio> artsd, that is
[06:15] <G|Patrick> ja i also tried different engines
[06:15] <foodcoman> BTW  the preview install from scratch went well on this machine I am using.
[06:15] <stefano> i know it wasnt you =)
[06:15] <dooglio> what does gnome use? nasd? esd?
[06:16] <JakubS> G|Patrick: gstreamer engine usually works
[06:16] <JakubS> dooglio: definitely not nasd :-)
[06:16] <dooglio> heh
[06:16] <Bambi_BOFH> lol
[06:16] <foodcoman> some some funky things like domain name not sticking for winblows compat.
[06:16] <stefano> i've heard that XINE-Engine is way better
[06:16] <G|Patrick> crap... synaptic still marks opera as defect
[06:16] <G|Patrick> why that?
[06:16] <G|Patrick> i am using it right now as u can see
[06:16] <dooglio> what i'm thinking is that patrick might need to turn off artsd in the kde settings
[06:16] <G|Patrick> :O
[06:17] <G|Patrick> dooglio: i switched the engine IN amarok
[06:17] <stefano> hey guys is there a place where i can download cd-covers and stuff for kubuntu?
[06:17] <stefano> some artwork
[06:17] <G|Patrick> cd-covers... are u crazy X-D
[06:17] <foodcoman> kubuntu.org artwork.
[06:17] <stefano> why patrick?
[06:17] <G|Patrick> printlables ruin ur disc
[06:17] <dooglio> G|Patrick: hrm
[06:17] <G|Patrick> the only solution for this is litescribe :D
[06:17] <foodcoman> I think its in the wiki's
[06:18] <stefano> unfortunately i dont have a litescribe enabled dvdwriter :(
[06:18] <stefano> ive heard about that technology a week after i bougth my dvd-writer
[06:19] <stefano> but i will get a printer that can print on cd's this month
[06:19] <G|Patrick> have u seen the screens of litescribe?
[06:19] <foodcoman> stefano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[06:19] <G|Patrick> i have to state, that they look much better in reallife
[06:19] <foodcoman> got a url G|Patrick
[06:19] <stefano> thanks alot foodcoman
[06:20] <foodcoman> stefano: De Nada
[06:20] <stefano> as i thought.. but i hope that shipit will be availlable when breezy is finally done
[06:20] <stefano> de nada what do you mean?
[06:20] <stefano> ah
[06:20] <stefano> lol
[06:20] <stefano> np
[06:21] <foodcoman> Spanish = For nothing!
[06:21] <stefano> my brain switched to english
[06:21] <G|Patrick> deutsch ist viel schner...
[06:21] <stefano> and i am not from spain at all
[06:21] <stefano> stimmt but not here, they go nuts if we mix the languages
[06:21] <foodcoman> Me neither.  Just trying to keep up with the bi-linguals and failing here.
[06:21] <foodcoman> =)
[06:22] <stefano> or with the tri-linguals
[06:22] <foodcoman> or with the speak many words of many peoples!
[06:22] <foodcoman> =)
[06:22] <stefano> =D
[06:23] <G|Patrick> i try to be honest, but from the speach melodic english sounds as if the people are barfing :(
[06:23] <stefano> i think english is really kewl
[06:23] <Bambi_BOFH> heh. fight!
[06:24] <stefano> go hug ati =D
[06:24] <G|Patrick> all the words come out deep of the troat :(
[06:24] <Bambi_BOFH> lol stefano
[06:24] <G|Patrick> japanese sounds like rap
[06:25] <G|Patrick> italian like music
[06:25] <foodcoman> I like my girls that way.   Some guy: "tell my" Me: (the keyboard of his machine had acpi buttons (Power, Sleep, Wake):  "Just press the POWER BUTTON"..
[06:28] <G|Patrick> sorry
[06:28] <stefano> and this idiot does it
[06:28] <stefano> :\
[06:28] <G|Patrick> the menues here are mixed up
[06:28] <G|Patrick> partly german
[06:28] <G|Patrick> partly english
[06:29] <G|Patrick> its a little confusing...
[06:29] <G|Patrick> to be optimistic
[06:29] <G|Patrick> :/
[06:29] <stefano> patrick
[06:29] <stefano> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-de
[06:29] <stefano> should fix it
[06:29] <stefano> i'll go get some food
[06:29] <stefano> later
[06:29] <foodcoman> Maybe by clicking custom button then broken from the list????
[06:30] <G|Patrick> stefano: i use gnome
[06:30] <foodcoman> G|Patrick: Not sure if thats what they mean
[06:30] <Bambi_BOFH> sudo apt-get -f install
[06:30] <Bambi_BOFH> --fix-install
[06:30] <Bambi_BOFH> ?
[06:31] <G|Patrick> i use gnome and synaptic
[06:31] <G|Patrick> why would a kde language file help me, to localize a gnome application?
[06:31] <Bambi_BOFH> G|Patrick: then use a terminal .
[06:31] <G|Patrick> no
[06:31] <G|Patrick> i need to figure out WHY i cant see the damaged package
[06:32] <foodcoman> G|Patrick: Under KDE Synaptic has a custom button lower left and a Broken option.
[06:33] <G|Patrick> aaah
[06:34] <G|Patrick> found :)
[06:34] <G|Patrick> thx
[06:34] <G|Patrick> ah... it says opera is in conflict with elder libraries
[06:34] <G|Patrick> i guess i reinstall that first
[06:34] <G|Patrick> brb
[06:35] <G|Patrick> should i use static or shared debs with ubuntu?
[06:35] <Bambi_BOFH> imo go static
[06:36] <G|Patrick> opera-static_8.10-20050728.1-qt_en_i386.deb   <-- that one?
[06:36] <Bambi_BOFH> is there a gtk version?
[06:36] <Bambi_BOFH> not qt?
[06:37] <G|Patrick> http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/8.10-Preview-2/1275-20050728-P2BT/intel-linux/en/
[06:37] <mushtaq> hi is there anyone using qemu here ?
[06:37] <foodcoman> Broadband rocks.... Dont know how dialup peeps even deal with it anymore.
[06:38] <foodcoman> Opera 8 kinda added too much bling bling for me.  I liked 7 with some mods to the config files.
[06:39] <G|Patrick> i like it... although i have to admid, that they have spend too much time working on the core
[06:40] <G|Patrick> their m2 applications fall back too much
[06:40] <G|Patrick> no pgp, bad imap
[06:40] <G|Patrick> no pim
[06:40] <G|Patrick> whatever :(
[06:40] <foodcoman> I have always used it for a browser only.... I liked hidden tabs, and killing the transfer popup.
[06:41] <G|Patrick> i am too used to it ;)
[06:41] <foodcoman> Also did not like the document or window history on the menu... Always killed that.
[06:41] <mornfall> anyone with feedback about adept? :-)
[06:42] <foodcoman> My ssh shell hasnt died during a hoary -> breezy upgrade.
[06:42] <mornfall> foodcoman: why would it?
[06:42] <Bambi_BOFH> foodcoman: it will
[06:42] <foodcoman> I sure wish they would add support in the kernel for my hauppauge PVR-350 by default.
[06:42] <mornfall> Bambi_BOFH: what kind of bofh you are?
[06:42] <jjesse> mornfall: changes in ssh package will cause it to be upgraded and stop the service
[06:43] <G|Patrick> be back soon
[06:43] <jjesse> which will dorp the ssh connection
[06:43] <jjesse> that happened to me
[06:43] <mornfall> jjesse: restarting sshd didn't take down sessions last time i checked
[06:43] <mornfall> unless this is different from debian
[06:43] <Bambi_BOFH> mornfall: a soon-to-be-without-lusers-to-deal-with type
[06:43] <jjesse> mornfall: then something else cuases it to drop
[06:43] <JakubS> mornfall: it is not different
[06:43] <foodcoman> during upgrade it restared ssh but left my session, now I am in the dist-upgrade phase.
[06:43] <mornfall> jjesse: if network restarts and you were on dhcp, it could
[06:44] <mornfall> JakubS: i have machines i always upgrade over ssh, never dropped connection on me
[06:44] <JakubS> yup
[06:44] <mornfall> but network shouldn't restart
[06:44] <foodcoman> I will settle this.  Soon.
[06:44] <foodcoman> =)
[06:44] <JakubS> it is kinda nice that you can upgrade ssh over ssh
[06:44] <mornfall> JakubS: kinda mandatory ;-)
[06:44] <foodcoman> Done,
[06:45] <JakubS> only if you upgrade glibc ssh may start behaving weird (because of nss)
[06:46] <mornfall> JakubS: yeah, but it should always last until you can bring up another ssh session
[06:46] <mornfall> one thing you can't do without losing network is kernel reboot -- sucks, doesn't it
[06:46] <mornfall> s/reboot/upgrade/
[06:47] <mornfall> JakubS: xen is useless in this regard
[06:47] <Bambi_BOFH> night all :S sleep is setting in
[06:47] <foodcoman> This is the only hiccups through the whole think.
[06:47] <mornfall> JakubS: you will at some point need to upgrade the driver kernel
[06:47] <foodcoman> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[06:47] <foodcoman>   libmp4v2-0
[06:47] <foodcoman> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:47] <foodcoman>   libflash-mozplugin
[06:48] <foodcoman> Not bad.
[06:48] <JakubS> mornfall: if you had two virtual machines you could use one of them to mess with make changes on disk belonging to second one
[06:48] <foodcoman> Rebooting to see what I have.
[06:49] <JakubS> so even if upgrade fails and second 'machine' fails to boot you can fix it
[06:49] <mornfall> JakubS: the thing is, the xen monitor and the domain0 kernel need upgrades too
[06:49] <mornfall> JakubS: and you can't replace running domain0 with another
[06:49] <JakubS> then there is nothing you can do
[06:50] <JakubS> but i guess domain0 kernel is minimalistic enough to not require upgrade too often
[06:50] <mornfall> JakubS: kexec would help though... if it wokred :)
[06:50] <JakubS> it still cuts network connections
[06:50] <mornfall> ah, right
[06:50] <JakubS> like soft reboot
[06:50] <mornfall> well, i think you could swap microkernel at runtime
[06:51] <mornfall> (by booting up the second first, handing servers over and shutting down the first)
[06:52] <_JakubS> hm, l4/linux?
[06:52] <mornfall> maybe, but upgrading the linux part will bring network down again... but upgrading the network server in microkernel will bring network down too, i suppose
[06:54] <mornfall> ubotu: lart [ITA] MisterX|Awa
[06:55] <G|Patrick> re
[06:58] <foodcoman> Upgrade broke my VNC connection.
[06:58] <foodcoman> Cant find fonts dir to load font server fails to load crappola.
[07:01] <stefano> yo
[07:02] <mornfall> i wouldn't trust vnc to do upgrades over it :-)
[07:04] <foodcoman> i used ssh to upgrade.  After hoary -> breezy my tightvncserver will not load because of a font issue.
[07:05] <foodcoman> Seems related to libmp4v2-0 not upgrading.
[07:05] <seth_k> nah
[07:05] <seth_k> you need the VNC driver
[07:06] <seth_k> modularization of X added it in a separate package
[07:06] <foodcoman> I have errors when I run sudo apt-get -f install around libmp4v2-0
[07:06] <seth_k> er scratch that, that's for vmware
[07:06] <foodcoman> I will remove the packages when I get home and reinstall them.
[07:06] <seth_k> methinks just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if it can pick the fonts back up
[07:07] <seth_k> mp4 = audio library, has nothing to do with fonts or VNC
[07:07] <foodcoman> haha, well I guess I dont know what I am talking about....Which is more often than not....    =)
[07:11] <foodcoman> admittal is the fist steps to recovery.
[07:13] <G|Patrick> help?
[07:13] <G|Patrick> ubuntu-desktop:
[07:13] <G|Patrick>  Depends: readahead-list  but it is not installable
[07:13] <G|Patrick> what can i do now?
[07:13] <Bambi_BOFH> try updating from th emaster servers, make sure your lists up to date, other
[07:13] <G|Patrick> master servers?
[07:14] <Bambi_BOFH> archive.ubuntu.com, not cc.archive.ubuntu.com (cc is country code)
[07:14] <G|Patrick> deb archive.ubuntu.com ???
[07:14] <G|Patrick> or what do u mean?
[07:14] <G|Patrick> adding it to the repesortories?
[07:15] <Bambi_BOFH> G|Patrick: change your existing repostries to point there instead
[07:15] <_dominik> hi what must i install to install a app via configure make make install ? (new installed kubuntu)
[07:15] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone here know how I can add the licences in kdevelop for breezy ?
[07:18] <_dominik> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!            ??? what does it mean?
[07:19] <tech> is kubuntu secure? i have a default installation that is updated with apt-get upgrade all the time.. and i wonder if i should take the risk to give someone a shell account..
[07:20] <Bambi_BOFH> who is the 'someone', and what sort of account?
[07:20] <Bambi_BOFH> it should be reasonably safe out of hte box
[07:21] <tech> Bambi_BOFH, some elite script kiddie which in my expirience manages to root machines a lot.. a normal shell account
[07:21] <G|Patrick> ah
[07:21] <seth_k> _dominik, you need the x devel headers
[07:21] <G|Patrick> i disabled any thing but the breezy sources and now it finds everything :D
[07:21] <Bambi_BOFH> tech: i would not... but your call
[07:21] <seth_k> _dominik, easiest would probably be "sudo apt-get install kde-devel"
[07:22] <_dominik> thx
[07:23] <_dominik> there isnt a package called kde-devel?
[07:26] <seth_k> |exec|, it is in universe
[07:26] <seth_k> !info kde-devel
[07:26] <ubotu> kde-devel: (The K Desktop Environment (development files)), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[07:27] <nicktastic> Anyone else having display problems with emacs when using translucency?
[07:27] <|exec|> ? but apt-get doesnt find it? can i take kdebase-dev ?
[07:30] <seth_k> |exec|, you haven't added the universe repositories
[07:30] <seth_k> ubotu tell |exec| about repositories
[07:30] <|exec|> what are the universe repositories?
[07:31] <Bambi_BOFH> night all
[07:32] <seth_k> |exec|, check ubotu's message to you
[07:33] <|exec|> yeah i have
[07:34] <seth_k> so click the link and follow the directions for adding the universe repos
[07:34] <seth_k> or here, let me find exactly what package you need
[07:34] <seth_k> kdebase-dev may be enough
[07:34] <seth_k> one sec :)
[07:35] <seth_k> yeah, go ahead and try kdebase-dev first
[07:35] <seth_k> I think that has X includes
[07:35] <seth_k> and that seems to be all you need
[07:35] <foodcoman> Seth, may I dcc you a apt error message, My one and only after the breezy upgrade?
[07:35] <seth_k> sure
[07:59] <foodcoman> seth_k|away: Rules.
[08:00] <seth_k|away> haha
[08:00] <foodcoman> Leet
[08:19] <libben> anyone can help me install the newest java?
[08:21] <libben> Linux (self-extracting file) this one or the RPM one ?
[08:24] <foodcoman> libben: if you are in the directory try ./filename for the executable assuming is have execution rights.
[08:24] <foodcoman> For the RPM you would have to use the alien command to make it a .deb
[08:24] <libben> alien aint good for it..
[08:24] <libben> it fucks it up
[08:25] <foodcoman> I am sure the rpm is for another distro.
[08:25] <libben> and nalioth and his dog helped me earlier, 3 days ago... and it worked flawless.
[08:25] <foodcoman> hehehe
[08:25] <foodcoman> Good dog!
[08:25] <foodcoman> =)
[08:25] <foodcoman> I have not installed the latest Jave.
[08:25] <foodcoman> Jave.
[08:25] <foodcoman> Java
[08:26] <foodcoman> grrr.
[08:26] <libben> well, nalioth is a good one to have on ur side when doing things like this.
[08:26] <libben> to bad his asleep
[08:26] <foodcoman> Any luck with the Ubuntuguide on that?
[08:26] <foodcoman> Yeah him and seth rock.
[08:26] <foodcoman> Maybe you will be there soon.  Then I can ask you!   =)
[08:29] <libben> well, im aiming to go an syslinux course... in a year or two... but ive allways been fashinated by linux since i tried redhat 5.1
[08:32] <foodcoman> My first was slackware from about 1991
[08:33] <libben> when did u try it?
[08:33] <libben> same year?
[08:39] <dominik> hi
[08:40] <dominik> what can i do when my firefox menu-fontsize (e.g. file, edit,etc.) is to small ?
[08:43] <Aapzak> good evening room
[08:43] <[Relic] > kynaptic says gcc 3.4 is installed but I can't seem to find a gcc file anywhere on the HD  I did find cc1 and cc1plus but I couldn't seem to access those either
[08:44] <regeya> somenoe give me a good excuse to reinstall kubuntu-desktop.
[08:44] <regeya> gnome is still, um, competent.
[08:44] <[Relic] > you are bored  :)
[08:44] <regeya> heh
[08:45] <regeya> my ubuntu box is at home (I'm at work, and the day is slow.)
[08:45] <[Relic] > sounds good enough to me
[08:45] <regeya> I'd have to fire up apt-zip when I get home, and download it at home.
[08:45] <regeya> or something.
[08:45] <regeya> so
[08:45] <[Relic] > no remote access so you can do it while at work?
[08:45] <regeya> what's changed in kde in recent months
[08:45] <Aapzak> for the real bored under us, install Gentoo, hours of fun :)
[08:45] <regeya> no, I live in the country so the box is on blazing-fast dialup
[08:46] <[Relic] > no clue this is only my second attempt at a linux install  :)
[08:46] <[Relic] > and if I can't figure out how to compile things it will be short lived
[08:47] <|exec|> http://www.picsup.net/img.php/604b6a86d2b005d80d6b7567f370edc1.png  screenshot of my problem
[08:52] <Aapzak> B
[08:59] <[Relic] > no wonder I can't find gcc someone was silly and named it gcc-3.4
[08:59] <spiral> [Relic] : breezy ?
[08:59] <[Relic] > nope
[09:02] <[Relic] > geez, haven't done this much typing since I used an apple IIe
[09:12] <NamShubX> Hi
[09:12] <CWiesen> hi, quick question. googling for "wacom linux" reveals that "J Riddell fixed the debian packages for Kubuntu" and I can actually see that the "wacom" module gets loaded. But what else is necessary? I dont quite get it from linuxwacom what to do. Is it jsut that I need to add a InputDevice section to xorg? /proc/bus/input/devices shows that it's Phys=usb-0000:00:10.3-1/input0
[09:12] <NamShubX> Im trying to set up mythtv on kubuntu and having lots of trouble
[09:13] <NamShubX> it says it cannot connect to the database as user mythtv... but if I try with commandline it works fine
[09:18] <CWiesen> anybody intimate with wacom tablets? :)
[09:30] <lonewolff> does anyone know how to have sound come out of only headpones on an imac under linux?
[09:51] <jornstianl> uhm.. where should I go to get some assistance with setting up kubuntu with a wireless network?
[09:53] <Tm_T> your problem is?
[09:53] <Tm_T> have you checked (k)ubuntu forums, faqs and howtos?
[09:54] <jornstianl> ie: i've got a functional wlan, kubuntu recognises the atheros card just fine, the KWiFiManager finds the card and when I manually specify the ssid, I get a signal [if I don't, or use ANy as ssid, it doesn't show up when I click 'scan for network'] ...
[09:54] <jornstianl> but it doesn't find the mac of the AP or recieve a ip
[09:54] <jornstianl> :(
[09:54] <Tm_T> :/
[09:55] <Tm_T> repeat: have you checked (k)ubuntu forums, faqs and howtos?
[09:55] <Tm_T> I don't know a thiong about wlan
[09:55] <Tm_T> s/thiong/thing
[09:55] <jornstianl> yes, I've been searching and looking
[09:56] <Tm_T> ok
[09:56] <Tm_T> that's all I can help atm
[09:56] <Tm_T> sorry :/
[09:56] <jornstianl> the statistics window shows that I've got a good signal :(
[09:57] <jornstianl> the network interface toolbox thingie shows ath0 as disabled...
[09:57] <jornstianl> but that's sorta strange, as the wireless monitor's showing a good signal
[09:58] <jornstianl> anyways, I've tried entering admin mode at the network thingie, but i'm unable of getting any buttons enabled...
[09:59] <jornstianl> when I enter the root pwd it goes right back to all buttons disabled, without gving any error messages
[09:59] <Tm_T> hum, in kcontrol?
[10:00] <Tm_T> tried "kdesu kcontrol" ?
[10:00] <Tm_T> or something like that
[10:00] <jornstianl> will do
[10:00] <jornstianl> one sec
[10:02] <jornstianl> well, that worked, as far as to getting the applet enabled...
[10:02] <jornstianl> but as soon as I try to enable it, it goes right back to disabled
[10:02] <jornstianl> :(
[10:23] <SpudULike> I would like some help with resolveconf.  I can't figure out what I should provide for the IFACE perameter.  I need to manually add some nameservers.
[10:26] <SpudULike> On a different subject, I want to create a new, seperate,  partition that will contain /home.  How do I move the link for /home from the current / directory to this new partition?
[10:31] <SpudULike> Maybe move is the wrong word. How do I unmount the current /home, which is in the same partition as the / directory, so I can remount it to point to the new partition?
[10:37] <zorba64> SpudULike: if /home is on the same partition as / you cant
[10:37] <zorba64> SpudULike: make a new partition, call it whatever...copy your data over to it
[10:38] <zorba64> SpudULike: unmount it then change /etc/fstab to point to the new partition as /home and then reboot
[10:40] <SpudULike> There is no entry for /home in fstab. Does this mean I'm out of luck?
[10:41] <zorba64> SpudULike: no, you have to make one
[10:42] <SpudULike> zorba64: OK, I will try that.
[10:43] <nalioth> SpudULike: you're never out of luck with linux
[10:44] <SpudULike> I made the fatal mistake with this, my first, Kubuntu install of NOT making a seperate /home partition.
[10:44] <zorba64> SpudULike: see http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2162 use mine for some tips
[10:44] <SpudULike> Any thoughts on resolvconf?
[10:45] <zorba64> SpudULike: not fatal at all, easy to fix
[10:46] <SpudULike> OK,  not fatal, but would have saved some faffing about.
[10:48] <zorba64> SpudULike: not on resolve.conf, I just have one line :nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> which is my adsl router
[10:48] <SpudULike> The DNS problem really has me confused.  I don't quite know what nameserver is being used to resolve addresses at the moment, the secret seems to be locked away in my router somewhere.  I can reslove things like google but not the ubuntu archives.
[10:48] <nalioth> SpudULike: not a fatal mistake. i dont have a seperate /home partition
[10:52] <SpudULike> Gotta go.  Thanks for the info on /home.
[11:08] <ttyS0> i was trying to start partition magic after reboot from CD but it says smth like "Error; Can't read partition labels". I've already set labels with `tune2fs` but it's still has that error. anybody knows waht to do? :)
[11:10] <Tm_T> use qtparted
[11:10] <nalioth> or gparted (or if you're hardcore, just parted)
[11:10] <ttyS0> i've tried but it shows wrong disc info & i don't want to lose data
[11:10] <ttyS0> f.e. it show /dev/hda5 as /dev/hda8
[11:11] <ttyS0> etc.
[11:11] <nalioth> ttyS0: sounds like you need to thoroughly audit your box and backup your data
[11:12] <ttyS0> i see. thank you.
[11:15] <ttyS0> oh. i remembered that i had one more trouble. my isp uses pap-authentication and has callback function aswell. i've tried to dial its pool but after authentication it didn't want to disconnect & wait for call and just started pppd (i'm talking about kppp, of course). any advices?
[11:17] <nalioth> ttyS0: i'm sorry, i have no experience with ppp or any other authentication routines
[11:18] <ttyS0> thanks anyway for help :) you're all great people :)
[11:18] <nalioth> ttyS0: you might ask in #ubuntu
[11:19] <ttyS0> nalioth, did it already but nobody answered me
[11:20] <nalioth> ttyS0: the knowledge comes and goes in #ubuntu. your answer IS there, just not now
[11:21] <ttyS0> oh.clearly for me
[11:35] <March-RX8> hello
[11:35] <nalioth> howdy
[11:35] <March-RX8> could someone help me?
[11:36] <nalioth> March-RX8: if you ask a question
[11:36] <March-RX8> ok
[11:36] <March-RX8> i hav a ibook g3 running kubuntu
[11:37] <March-RX8> i want to switch it into a mandriva for several reasons, but i dont know why but mandriva installation wont start
[11:37] <March-RX8> is there a way to get and install rpms and convert the distro
[11:37] <nalioth> March-RX8: are you holding the "c" key when the chime sounds?
[11:38] <March-RX8> yes
[11:38] <March-RX8> but it stops after i choose to instal from cdrom
[11:38] <nalioth> March-RX8: is it a burnt mandriva disk?
[11:38] <March-RX8> yes
[11:38] <nalioth> check your md5 sums on your iso and cd
[11:38] <March-RX8> what should i get?
[11:39] <nalioth> use your terminal
[11:40] <March-RX8> 00e3cc20c32de0276cd78a626884fe09  synthesis.hdlist.cz
[11:41] <nalioth> March-RX8: i dont need it. compare it with the one at the download site you got the iso from
[11:44] <March-RX8> is the same
[11:46] <_stefan> Hello all :-)
[11:46] <nalioth> March-RX8: is the cd md5'd correctly?
[11:46] <nalioth> _stefan: howdy
[11:46] <March-RX8> yes it is
[11:46] <_stefan> I have a problem with gpg and kmail
[11:47] <nalioth> _stefan: ask
[11:47] <_stefan> kgpg is running and okay
[11:47] <_stefan> I have some mail accounts
[11:47] <_stefan> now I want to load the correct key for the identity
[11:48] <_stefan> I go to the kryptographie tab
[11:48] <_stefan> and wnat to laod the key
[11:48] <_stefan> but all is emty
[11:48] <_stefan> how can I get the keys to the identities?
[11:49] <nalioth> _stefan: i am not familiar with kmail and gpg
[11:49] <_stefan> may some other?
[11:49] <nalioth> _stefan: you should see all the keys you have in kgpg
[11:49] <nalioth> _stefan: ask in #ubuntu or #kde
[11:49] <_stefan> okay
[11:53] <gsuveg> re
[11:53] <gsuveg> how can i change kdm theme ?


[06:39] <InHisName> I just rebooted and machine came up with NEW IP address  <IP_ADDRESS>  it used to be 106.   How to tell dhcp to use 106 and NOT make it static ?
[10:19] <JonathanD> InHisName: create a reservation
[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[10:50] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[11:15] <rmg51> o/
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:06] <InHisName> JonathanD: it uses something called dnsmasq but cannot find notes on creating reservation.  Guide me to where to find instructions.  The word reservation is not in man page dnsmasq
[13:29] <rmg51> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dnsmasq
[13:29]  * InHisName asks for forgiveness in first asking a question rather than the standard 'good morning'.
[13:38] <teddy-dbear> no
[14:00] <InHisName> does dnsmasq support reservations ?
[15:05] <InHisName> I managed somehow to force dnsmasq to use 106 instead of 107.
[15:06] <InHisName> Stopped service,  edit dnsmasq.leases file and canged 107 to 106 saved it.   Then started service again.  Booted the 106 machine.   It got it.
[15:07] <InHisName> I googled til the turnips bled, but never saw those kinds of notes.
[15:07] <InHisName> Did I cheat something or other ?
[15:08] <JonathanD> InHisName: where did you find .leases?
[15:08] <InHisName> Now I have 192.1368.101.106 and all is working great once again.
[15:10] <InHisName> /var/db/dhcmasq.leases was linked to /mnt/kd/dhcmasq.leases.   I changed that one.  It seems to re-write an update to it every few minutes.  So I stopped dnsmasq, made chages, saved. Then started it again.
[15:11] <JonathanD> huh.
[15:11] <JonathanD> I don't know about dnsmasq, but .leases is generally a generated file.
[15:11] <JonathanD> so your change will eventually be thrown away.
[15:11] <InHisName> It's on my 'router' an astlinux system
[15:12] <InHisName> Seems to be generated all the time, but appears to be read once when starting.
[15:12] <InHisName> It's been over 15 minutes, I'll check it now to see what's changed in .leases file
[15:13] <JonathanD> InHisName: it'll still be wiped out eventually.
[15:13] <JonathanD> so it'll break again.
[15:13] <JonathanD> you need to edit dnsmasq.conf
[15:13] <JonathanD> # Always allocate the host with Ethernet address 11:22:33:44:55:66
[15:13] <JonathanD> # The IP address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <JonathanD> #dhcp-host=11:22:33:44:55:66,<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <InHisName> It has re-witten the file once a minute.  Each time STILL has the <IP_ADDRESS>  and it appears to NOT be changing back to the bogus 107 number.  the IP of this machine is still <IP_ADDRESS> also.
[15:19] <InHisName> Looks to me that dnsmasq reads the last written .leases file for its starup and goes with what it read in.
[15:21] <JonathanD> InHisName: .leases is a state file.
[15:21] <JonathanD> InHisName: it's where dnsmasq writes it's states... the reason it reads it on startup is to get back into the orig state on restart.
[15:22] <JonathanD> InHisName: but when the lease expires, and your box asks for a new ip, it may or may not give it the same one unless you set the config file to do so.
[15:24] <InHisName> It was maintaning 106 for 6-8 years.  Then with this power outage for 38 hours.  It changed it.   I think I forced to back to stay.
[15:25] <JonathanD> *shrugs* until the next power outage.
[15:25] <InHisName> What command to use to see the time remaining on the lease ?
[15:25] <JonathanD> usually you'll get the same ip if you still have it when yours expires.
[15:25] <JonathanD> whihc is why a power outage can break things, if it's down past the expire point.
[15:25] <InHisName> That's what I am hoping
[15:26] <JonathanD> InHisName: if it's not in the leases I'm not sure.
[15:26] <JonathanD> InHisName: if you set it in the config file, though, it will always get the same ip, no matter what.
[15:26] <InHisName> It is NOT static
[15:27] <JonathanD> that wouldn't make it static, just statically assigned dhcp.
[15:27] <JonathanD> it just means when such and such mac addy asks for an address, always give them the same one.
[15:27] <InHisName> I changed the startup script to do 71 hours instead of 24.   No clue in ifconfig
[15:28] <InHisName> getting the same one, life is good.....
[15:39] <JonathanD> InHisName: you'll be fine unless the box is down longer than that
[16:28] <HowdyDoody> Windows shows lease obtained and expires with ipconfig, but ifconfig apparently does not.  Is there commd to see lease obtained and expiry ?
[17:42] <square-r00t> grep -iHnR dhc /var/log/*
[21:21] <InHisName><PHONE_NUMBER>11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[21:21] <InHisName> sdfl'gjkasdf;lkgfjasd
[21:21] <InHisName> asd
[21:21] <InHisName> fasd
[21:21] <InHisName> gkladfglk'zdhjfg
[21:22]  * waltman waves to InHisName's cat


[00:45] <belkinsa> knome, Ubuntu Scientists Team Wiki Homepage uses a Site-Map idea.  Ubuntu Women too.
[00:45] <belkinsa> dsmythies ^^^ goes for you too.
[02:46] <dsmythies> belkinsa: I went here to try to find the "scientists" team page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams but couldn't find a link. I did find this though: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ but don't see a site-map. Can you give a link.
[02:47] <belkinsa> The ubuntu Women one is on the Ubuntu WIki
[02:47] <belkinsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/SiteMap
[02:47] <belkinsa> dsmythies, yeah, I still need to add it the teams list along withe Ubuntu Leadership team
[02:48] <belkinsa> UW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWomen
[03:00] <dsmythies> belkinsa: Thanks. Simple and clear pages.
[03:04] <pmatulis> dsmythies: hi
[03:04] <pmatulis> belkinsa: o/
[03:11] <dsmythies> Hi pmatulis