[12:55] <minghua> Is the archive rebuild result publicly available somewhere?
[05:37] <fabbione> morning
[06:20] <bddebian> Heya
[07:03] <fabbione> anybody slightly familiar with compiz?
[07:13] <StevenK> The code, or using it?
[07:56] <Treenaks> tepsipakki: I've tried the 6.7.191(?.. the one with randr) ati driver, but it doesn't understand 1920x1200 and falls back to 1280x768
[08:01] <tepsipakki> Treenaks: yep, add "Virtual 1920 1200" (or the max your card's vram allows) to the Modes
[08:01] <tepsipakki> it defaults to 1600 1200 currently
[08:02] <tepsipakki> and it will be fixed upstream to use maximum values the vram allows
[08:05] <fabbione> StevenK: just using it
[08:05] <fabbione> StevenK: i can't find some keybindings.. like to switch from one workspace to another
[08:05] <fabbione> StevenK: or how to set how many workspaces I want
[08:07] <fabbione> that's the only thing atm that's limiting me
[08:11] <mdke> morning all
[08:24] <holycow> hi
[08:25] <holycow> any hardware gurus around?
[08:25] <holycow> i just recieved myh fujitsu fmv-u8240 umpc
[08:25] <holycow> got ubuntu on it
[08:26] <holycow> but would like to get some pointers on tracking down hardware related skills
[08:27] <holycow> need to get a proper keymap for this thing and need to learn more about touchscreens
[08:28] <holycow> anyone muck about in that area of things?
[08:51] <pitti> mhb: hi
[08:54] <Mithrandir> holycow: you want to just run normal ubuntu on it?
[09:06] <Lutin> hi there
[09:20] <maswan> Riddell: pong, looking at it then
[09:36] <superm1_> since there is an override system in place on launchpad, is there anything wrong with including a Section in the source part of debian/control?  This would let the same packages then be uploaded to both PPAs as well as ordinary ubuntu without any source changes
[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:52] <dholbach> congratulations everybody for rolling out tribe 5!
[09:54] <Hobbsee> good morning, dholbach
[09:55] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:57] <seb128> dholbach: congrats to you too, you are part of the team you know ;)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh gnome master, is there a gnome alternative for the clock on kde's kicker, with the timezones?
[09:58] <seb128> Hobbsee: the default clock in GNOME has timezone, right click, preferences, display several timezones
[09:58] <Hobbsee> seb128: hmmm.  i wonder why no one ever finds them then.  thanks
[09:58] <seb128> dunno who is "no one", I know several people who found the option ;)
[09:59] <coNP> Hobbsee: kdeworldclock is something else then displaying different timezones.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> coNP: oh, you wanted world clock. right.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> seb128: no, it's one of the things that a whole bunch of people ask.  but yes, some people are good at finding things ;)
[09:59] <coNP> Hobbsee: I am sure this is a relatively new feature.
[10:03] <doko> seb128: dholbach: where is the upstream of pyspi?
[10:04] <Treenaks> tepsipakki: adding Virtual 1920 1200 doesn't work -- I still get 1280x768
[10:04] <Hobbsee> coNP: no idea :)
[10:06] <seb128> coNP: right, it's new from the gutsy cycle
[10:08] <tepsipakki> Treenaks: hmm, worked for someone else
[10:08] <Treenaks> tepsipakki: I'll try to get a logfile, will that help?
[10:08] <tepsipakki> it could, yes
[10:11] <dholbach> doko: http://people.redhat.com/zcerza/dogtail/downloads.html
[10:12] <doko> dholbach: zcerza was missing ...
[10:12] <doko> thanks
[10:15] <doko> dholbach, seb128: could you ask upstream about the build failure?
[10:17] <dholbach> doko: gnome bug 423110?
[10:18] <dholbach> ubugtu? ubotu?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> ubotu: ping
[10:18] <ubotu> host not found
[10:18] <Hobbsee> ubugtu is long dead.
[10:18] <Hobbsee> gnome bug 423110
[10:18] <ubotu> Gnome bug 423110 in general "pyspi fails to build with pyrex <IP_ADDRESS>a" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423110
[10:22] <doko> dholbach: could you mark bug 128227 as forwarded?
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128227 in pyspi "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128227
[10:22] <seb128> pitti: I can do the pending syncs if you want since I didn't do them on wednesday due to the freeze
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: if you have time for it, sure! I'll turn my attention to the NEW queue then
[10:23] <seb128> k, doing them
[10:24] <dholbach> doko: done
[10:28] <Hobbsee> morning pitti!
[10:28] <pitti> hey Hobbsee!
[10:29] <Hobbsee> pitti: Riddell well done on t5
[10:30] <pitti> indeed (I already mailed him congrats), go Riddell!
[10:31] <Riddell> thanks guys
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[10:35] <ogra> yeah, great job Riddell
[10:52] <cjwatson> superm1: including Section is fine, try to make it be at least valid though ;-)
[11:01] <ogra> pitti, did mpt have a look at the new printer tool ?
[11:01] <pitti> ogra: not that I know of
[11:02] <ogra> my mother wouldnt be able to set up a printer with it (she was with edgy)
[11:02] <pitti> ogra: it's a bit different than g-c-m, indeed
[11:02] <pitti> ogra: OTOH you mostly don't need to worry any more, since printers are now automatically configured
[11:03] <ogra> well, indeed
[11:03] <seb128> GNOME guys are some bad comment on it as well
[11:03] <ogra> but to me that looks really like an expert tool compared to the old one
[11:03] <seb128> where the old UI was clean with only icon the new one is pretty tough
[11:03] <pitti> ogra: Tim Waugh is very responsive, if you have some suggestions how to improve the UI, just file a LP bug
[11:04] <pitti> yeah, it's a hard choice
[11:04] <pitti> a tool that looks easy and is broken vs. a tool that looks complex and actually works :/
[11:04] <ogra> pitti, make it look like g-c-m :) the UI was intuitive and very easy to understand
[11:04] <ogra> where was it broken ?
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Will most people ever have to touch much of s-c-m now?
[11:05] <cjwatson> s-c-p
[11:05] <ogra> i never had probvs with printing since warty ... neither anyone around me
[11:05] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Oops, yes.
[11:05] <pitti> ogra: lots of bugs and crashes, unmaintained upstream for years
[11:05] <pitti> ogra: and lacking features like automatically scanning for network printers, etc.
[11:06] <pitti> ogra: and g-c-m doesn't provide the 'fully automagic printer configuration', which is a killer feature IMHO
[11:06] <pitti> ogra: we made a couple of UI improvement suggestions to Tim already, and he implemented them very fast
[11:06] <seb128> imho the new one is better
[11:06] <seb128> we just need to make the UI nicer
[11:06] <seb128> maybe add some icons
[11:06] <ogra> yeah
[11:07] <pitti> ogra: bug 132652 will help a bit, too, I think
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132652 in system-config-printer "Please select an appropriate default in the tree view" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132652
[11:07] <pitti> ogra: (was fixed upstream yesterday)
[11:07] <ogra> ah, cool
[11:07] <pitti> so that people get the form they most probably want by default
[11:07] <pitti> seb128: icons FTW! :)
[11:07] <ogra> but really, probably mpt should have a look ...
[11:08] <pitti> the tree view shuold probably be turned into a set of tabs (one per server) with icons for the printers in each
[11:08] <pitti> and one tab for the local server settings
[11:09] <ogra> i think there is way to much information everywhere its crowded ...
[11:10] <pitti> it's quite a power tool indeed :/
[11:11] <ogra> well, g-c-m had all that options (or many of them at least) somewhere as well but didnt look crowded
[11:11] <pitti> and too much text
[11:12] <pitti> ogra: I liked g-c-m's UI, too, but it just got unbearable; I guess that switch is painful, but we should aim at improving scp's UI now
[11:12] <ogra> drop the tabs, make every printer an icon and have the individual optiojns availabe via right click
[11:13] <tepsipakki> Treenaks: there's a new ati-version for you to try
[11:13] <tepsipakki> Treenaks: same webdir
[11:13] <cjwatson> whee avivo
[11:13] <cjwatson> still slightly odd swirly patterns and flickering though
[11:15] <ogra> pitti, also why is there an apply button ?
[11:20] <pitti> ogra: that should probably go as well, right
[11:21] <tseliot> cjwatson, pitti, do you know why my patches haven't been accepted yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/66  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/67
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed]
[11:22] <pitti> tseliot: just lack of time to look at them so far, I guess
[11:22] <pitti> tseliot: now, with feature freeze behind us, we concentrate on bug fixing, so might happen soon now
[11:23] <tseliot> pitti: is there something I can do to help or shall I just wait and see?
[11:23] <pitti> tseliot: you can occasionally ask about the status in #ubuntu-kernel if the patches are tested and ready to be applied
[11:23] <pitti> tseliot: there are so many bugs that the kernel team might have difficulties to track which ones are low-hanging fruits
[11:24] <pitti> tseliot: but don't ping them too often, that distracts too much :)
[11:24] <tseliot> pitti: thanks. I won't ping them at all ;)
[11:24] <pitti> tseliot: oh, it's worth a try doing it once at least
[11:25] <pitti> tseliot: I don't know how they prefer to mark such bugs
[11:26] <tseliot> pitti: "mark such bugs"? because they affect proprietary drivers?
[11:26] <pitti> tseliot: like setting them 'in progress' or assign them to someone in particular, etc.
[11:26] <ogra> tseliot, because he doesnt know their workflow :)
[11:27] <tseliot> pitti, ogra: ok
[11:27] <norsetto> (sorry for the double request for MOTUs here) Would you guys say that this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34864/ is a MIT/Expat License? licensecheck reports it as unknown.
[11:28] <cjwatson> norsetto: MIT-style and not a problem
[11:28] <norsetto> good, just checking as is not in COPYING
[11:30] <cjwatson> norsetto: it's not exactly the same but it's close enough for our purposes
[11:31] <norsetto> cjwatson: yes, it seems pretty simplified, yet the spirit seems to be the same (a typical lawyer term, spirit ....)
[11:32] <norsetto> do you want me to scare you?
[11:32] <pitti> doko: simdmath> /usr/spu/{include,lib}? that's a weird path
[11:32] <soren> infinity: You and mathiaz discussed the samba "net usershare" stuff, did you not?
[11:32] <doko> pitti: no.
[11:32] <doko> pitti: cross-build files
[12:27] <pitti> StevenK: FYI, NBS slaughtered (in particular, kernel stuff and some obex package)
[12:39] <Hobbsee> obex package?  i wonder if that was intentional
[12:45] <pitti> Hobbsee: 'qobex'
[12:46] <Hobbsee> pitti: ah. presumably kdebluetooth doesnt need it anymore
[12:48] <StevenK> pitti: Nice, thanks.
[12:48] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Right.
[12:49] <StevenK> pitti: I was just about to ask you to regen the list at your earliest oppurtunity, but I think the cronjob will beat you.
[01:25] <Kmos> bug 134471
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134471 in sudo "sudo puts the clock back twenty days" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134471
[01:25] <Kmos> what a strange thing
[01:33] <\sh> Kmos, I don't think it's sudo
[01:33] <Kmos> me too
[01:38] <IntuitiveNipple> "sudo -k" or "rm -rf /var/run/sudo/username" usually solves that
[01:40] <cjwatson> sudo doesn't contain any time-setting code AFAICS
[01:40] <cjwatson> however I know the reporter and he's not in the habit of being on crack
[01:40] <IntuitiveNipple> sudo stores a timestamp ,  -k clears it
[01:41] <Spads> cjwatson: ah, so an occasional user?
[01:41] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: indeed but that is not the bug if you read more closely
[01:41] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: the complaint is that sudo [or something]  is messing with the system clock
[01:42] <cjwatson> Spads: ha
[01:46] <IntuitiveNipple> I can reproduce it here
[01:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Feisty 32-bit
[01:58] <cjwatson> pitti: I've uploaded a new d-i to dapper-proposed that bumps to the new kernel ABI in -security, which I forgot to do the other week; please consider?
[01:59] <pitti> cjwatson: fine for me, but shouldn't we wait for the new -proposed kernel for dapper.2, too?
[02:01] <cjwatson> pitti: probably, just seemed reasonable to bump it in case anyone's trying it now
[02:01] <pitti> right, can't hurt, I just wanted to mention that there will be another one
[02:03] <pitti> cjwatson: (accepted)
[02:04] <cjwatson> ta
[02:16] <pitti> iwj: how do you want to check if ldconfig is called from a maintainer script? checking /proc/$$PID/cmdline or something like that?
[02:37] <iwj> pitti: dpkg now sets an env far for the benefit of dpkg-trigger, so it's trivial.
[02:37] <pitti> iwj: ah, splendid
[02:47] <bigon> mjg59: hi
[02:48] <bigon> mjg59: I just see that you uploaded haze to debian
[02:50] <ziith> hi guys
[02:51] <ziith> i was wondering, what is the normal procedure for requesting a sotware to be packaged as an ubuntu package?
[02:51] <norsetto> ziith: bug report
[02:52] <Hobbsee> ziith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#head-f4c6048b1531f4e4fe48f096350ea435d40ed9f5
[02:52] <seb128> who can grant main freeze exception nowadays?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> seb128: release team
[02:52] <seb128> I want to update pidgin from 2.1.0 to 2.1.1 (bug fix version, already in Debian)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> seb128: sounds sane.
[02:53] <seb128> do I need to file some bugs or something or can I just go and upload? ;)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> seb128: i think you can just go and upload, actually.  you got my ack.
[02:53] <seb128> thanks
[02:53] <Hobbsee> seb128: but then, we've just been doing universe processes, and i've not been on the main team before.
[02:54] <ziith> norsetto, Hobbsee: does this mean i will be expected to package it myself? In that case i will really need to brush up on my packaging skills.
[02:54] <Kmos> ziith: if it's not in debian yet, yes :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ziith: well, that's the quickest way to get it in.  otherwise you can file a bug with the needs-packaging tag, and hope someone feels like doing it at some point
[02:54] <ziith> alright, thanks guys
[02:55] <norsetto> ziith: if you can package, that the best obviously, but no, its not required
[02:55] <bigon> seb128: wait a little bit before updating pidgin me and ari (debian maintainer) have made the split of libpurple out of the main package
[02:56] <bigon> seb128: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/collab-maint/deb-maint/pidgin/branches/pidgin-split-purple
[02:56] <seb128> bigon: I don't think we want to split the package during the freeze now
[02:57] <bigon> seb128: right
[02:59] <acm> hi, I have a problem with removing linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-9-generic. since the last release 2.6.22-8-generic there is a problem with removing this package. the post-removal script return 1. is there already a bug in lp?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> acm: #ubuntu+1 for support
[03:11] <acm> found a bug 122421 in lp for linux-ubuntu-modules. hope this problem will be solved asap.
[03:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122421 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Unable to purge package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122421
[03:14] <bigon> How can I do to make a package removed from the new queue? haze (uploaded by mjg59) was not made with the collaboration of the debian telepathy team. an other package for this software is waiting in the debian new queue
[03:17] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ^^ ; can you work something out about this so we end up with one unified package?
[03:22] <infinity> seb128: Bugs would be way too much overhead, just make sure the person you're asking has some modicum of authority to approve the upload.
[03:25] <seb128> infinity: looks like I can just decide myself for desktopish updates then ;)
[03:25] <infinity> seb128: I'd prefer if you didn't.
[03:26] <seb128> I see
[03:26] <infinity> seb128: Bouncing it off someone else, even if you know best, gives you the required 5 minutes to think about it.
[03:26] <seb128> looks like you trust me to not screw :p
[03:26] <infinity> seb128: I don't trust any of us to not screw up. :)
[03:26] <seb128> ;)
[03:26] <Lutin> hi there
[03:31] <Hobbsee> infinity: oh, i must have forgotten that i dont actually count as part of the release team.
[03:31] <infinity> Hobbsee: No, no.  You do.
[03:31] <infinity> Hobbsee: I meant "don't go asking a random coworker to check it, then upload".
[03:31] <Hobbsee> infinity: ah right.  couldnt tell which way you were inferring.
[03:32] <infinity> Hobbsee: We have a longstanding history of asking the closest person we can find for a review, and then calling it "good enough".
[03:32] <infinity> Hobbsee: Which, from the POV of release coordination, kinda loses.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> infinity: ahhh.  how useful
[03:32] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[03:33] <Lutin> infinity: sorry to bother you with that but ... got some time to look into the loadlin thing ?
[03:34] <infinity> Lutin: I do, but I don't.  Rather busy setting up some buildds right now.
[03:34] <infinity> cprov: Can you help Lutin find his missing upload?
[03:34] <infinity> cprov: If you're just as busy as I am, I can do it later.
[03:35] <Lutin> infinity: no problem... can wait anyway
[03:35] <tseliot> infinity: do you know why my patches haven't been approved yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/66 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/67
[03:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed]
[03:35] <cprov> infinity: Lutin: can you ping back in, let's say, 15 minutes ?
[03:35] <Lutin> cprov: sure
[03:36] <StevenK> infinity: libnss-db when you aren't busy? Maybe? :-)
[03:46] <tseliot> infinity: the 2nd patch is for Gutsy. And the bug's importance is marked as "High".
[03:46] <Hobbsee> tseliot: and the kernel team was on holidays last week, and they're getting to it...
[03:48] <tseliot> Hobbsee: I didn't know. And mine wasn't a complaint. I wanted to make him notice that the bug affects Gutsy as well.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> tseliot: but he's not in the kernel team. you'd do better in #ubuntu-kernel, etc
[03:49] <tseliot> Hobbsee: oh, I thought that both he and BenC were in the kernel team
[03:50] <Hobbsee> tseliot: you might be thinking of kylem
[03:50] <tkamppeter> hi pitti
[03:51] <tseliot> Hobbsee: thanks. I'll go bug kylem then ;)
[03:51] <pitti> hi tkamppeter
[03:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, it seems that the new cupsys (or something else in Gutsy) removes the admin (first) user from the lpadmin group, see bug 134503, bug 107766, and bug 132735, in the last one Paul Coleman's comment.
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134503 in cupsys "cupsys 1.3 upgrade fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134503
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107766 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer adds menu item the same as gnome-cups-manager's menu item" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107766
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132735 in system-config-printer "system-config-printer says "Not published", "See server settings" after selecting "Share published printers connected to this system", until restarting the tool" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132735
[03:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, in the first two the comments of neuromancer.
[03:58] <soren> What needs to happen for a new task to show up in the tasksel in the installer?
[03:58] <soren> openssh-server has been added to tasksel.
[03:58] <soren> I would have thought a new d-i upload would be required, but tasksel is not a b-d of d-i?
[03:59] <pygi> soren, I can see openssh-server in tasksel?
[03:59] <soren> pygi: In the installer as well?
[03:59] <soren> pygi: Tribe-5?
[03:59] <pygi> soren, not installer (sorry), but newest upgrade, sure
[04:00] <soren> pygi: Sure.
[04:00] <mjg59> Mithrandir: I suspect the best would be to sync from Debian once there's something there
[04:01] <Kmos> who's checking ubuntu-release ? for main freeze exception
[04:01] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ok
[04:01] <Kmos> bug 132405
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132405 in xterm "Please sync xterm (229-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132405
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Kmos: most likely the ubuntu-release people, with all their other bugs...
[04:08] <Kmos> Hobbsee: just asking.. relax
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Kmos: stupid questions get stupid answers.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> and people bashing things
[04:09] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: \o/
[04:10] <pitti> tkamppeter: that seems very fishy to me; cupsys doesn't delete any groups from any user
[04:13] <Lutin> cprov: ping ?
[04:15] <cprov> Lutin: right
[04:15] <cprov> Lutin: which binary are you looking for ?
[04:17] <Lutin> cprov: loadlin i386. I fot a failed to upload mail
[04:18] <Lutin> got*
[04:18] <Kmos> can someone look at bug 132694
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please merge ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132694
[04:18] <Kmos> because I'm not credible
[04:18] <Kmos> :)
[04:18] <cprov> Lutin: what does the emails says, can you send it to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:18] <cjwatson> soren: doesn't need a new d-i upload, since tasksel isn't in the initrd
[04:18] <cjwatson> soren: the tasksel upload should've been sufficient
[04:18] <cjwatson> soren: provided of course that openssh-server.deb is actually on the CD
[04:18] <Lutin> cprov: sure
[04:19] <soren> cjwatson: The openssh-server is on the CD... Hmm... Which daily was promoted to Tribe-5?
[04:20] <cjwatson> soren: check the version of tasksel on your CD
[04:20] <mathiaz> soren: 20070823
[04:20] <Lutin> cprov: just forwarded
[04:21] <soren> cjwatson: Hmm.. Stupid question: How?
[04:21] <cjwatson> soren: ls /cdrom/pool/main/t/tasksel
[04:21] <mathiaz> soren: the seed was modified on late 20070822
[04:21] <cjwatson> mathiaz: but I didn't upload tasksel until the next day
[04:21] <mathiaz> cjwatson: the server cds were generated early in the day.
[04:21] <cjwatson> when the seed *structure* is changed (as opposed to just changing the contents of an existing seed), tasksel typically needs to be refreshed against it
[04:22] <cjwatson> mathiaz: indeed, I own the code containing the crontab
[04:22] <cjwatson> they were generated before my tasksel upload landed
[04:22] <mathiaz> cjwatson: Riddell triggered a manual build I think.
[04:22] <cjwatson> you know this is so easy to check rather than arguing about it
[04:22] <mathiaz> cjwatson: I've tested the server cd on my wednesday evening.
[04:23] <mathiaz> cjwatson: totally.
[04:23] <cjwatson> $ wget -q -O- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-server-i386.list | grep tasksel_
[04:23] <cjwatson> too old
[04:23] <cjwatson> /pool/main/t/tasksel/tasksel_2.67ubuntu3_all.deb
[04:23] <cjwatson> more recent dailies, if there are any yet, will have the fix
[04:23] <soren> Yeah, it needed ubuntu4.
[04:24] <soren> Ok, it's no problem then.
[04:24] <soren> There's no bug, just bad timing.
[04:25] <cprov> Lutin: the email is clear:
[04:25] <cprov> 02:19:02 WARNING Upload was rejected:
[04:25] <cprov> 02:19:02 WARNING    Unable to identify file lodlin16.zip (byhand) in changes.
[04:25] <tkamppeter> pitti, perhaps the problem is elsewhere, in the user management, installer, update management, ...
[04:25] <pitti> tkamppeter: maybe it's the infamous bug 26338 or so
[04:25] <tkamppeter> pitti, who should we subscribe to this bug that he can check and fix that?
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26338 in gnome-system-tools "Adding a user to a group modifies other users' groups and passwords" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26338
[04:25] <pitti> tkamppeter: I followed up on the bug with some questions, but I have no idea ATM
[04:26] <cprov> Lutin: we don't support zip custom uploads (I doubt, it was your intention at all)
[04:26] <pitti> tkamppeter: we can try to reproduce it in vmware or so and narrow down the package which causes it
[04:26] <tkamppeter> Strange is that such an old bug, marked as critical is not fixed yet.
[04:27] <Lutin> cprov: humm weird, it got accepted for amd64
[04:28] <pmatulis> i've found someone on launchpad that wants to help with improving the look of gnome-panel.  i should i direct him?
[04:28] <cprov> Lutin: probably because the lodlin16.zip only built for arch-indep (i386)
[04:31] <Lutin> cprov: the package is arch: i386 amd64, and I can't see anyting related to the arch in debian/rules
[04:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, should we milestone bug 26338 for the beta?
[04:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26338 in gnome-system-tools "Adding a user to a group modifies other users' groups and passwords" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26338
[04:33] <cjwatson> cprov: it's probably just never been uploaded to Ubuntu since the switch to soyuz
[04:33] <cjwatson> cprov: it'll be an intentional custom upload in Debian
[04:33] <cjwatson> Lutin: I'd just drop the dpkg-distaddfile from debian/rules
[04:33] <cjwatson> so that that element doesn't appear in .changes
[04:34] <Lutin> cjwatson: ok
[04:34] <cprov> cjwatson: do we plan to support it too ?
[04:34] <cjwatson> cprov: I doubt it
[04:35] <cprov> cjwatson: how is it used in debian, users get the file from the archive directly ?
[04:35] <cjwatson> cprov: I think it goes onto CDs for use by people who need it
[04:36] <cjwatson> but we've never bothered with loadlin on our CDs, it's kind of old and crusty
[04:36] <cjwatson> cprov: and yes, the file is copied into /tools/ in the Debian archive
[04:37] <cprov> cjwatson: nahh, ok, maybe later, but it would be better modeled as another custom-upload-type (as a tarball too)
[04:38] <cjwatson> cprov: has to be a zip for the benefit of windows users. if we mess around with the filetype there's no point
[04:38] <cjwatson> cprov: it's entirely not urgent
[04:40] <cprov> cjwatson: right, but it could be a zip inside a directory as a tarball ... but yet, technical issues later, we already have enough *issues* in our plates.
[04:42] <AlinuxOS> hello, does Ubuntu (non graphical) installer use unifont fonts ?
[04:44] <soren> pitti, isn't it?
[04:45] <AlinuxOS> I need to know for example, which fonts are used for cyrillic (non graphical) interface.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> er, dont worry.  i cant read
[04:46] <cjwatson> AlinuxOS: yes, unifont, as I believe we've informed you before
[04:46] <pitti> Hobbsee: yep
[04:46] <Hobbsee> pitti: sorry for the noise, i cant read.
[04:46] <cjwatson> cprov: I fail to see how that would help, since the desired result is to copy the zip file without changes into a non-versioned location in the archive
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> cjwatson, I remmember in the past there was no Georgian (console font) support...
[04:47] <cjwatson> AlinuxOS: we went through that at great length
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> but now http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ georgian has 14 an 16 sized terminal fonts.
[04:47] <cjwatson> you supplied a patch for unifont to add it
[04:47] <cprov> cjwatson: it's just a certain 'cruft' required to re-use most the the custom-upload-parser code.
[04:47] <cjwatson> ah, maybe not you, it was Gia Shervashidze
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> the problem is that I can't visualise Georgian in terminal mode
[04:47] <cjwatson> cprov: that code is not useful here
[04:48] <cjwatson> cprov: it's designed for the /dists/$DIST/main/$FORMAT-$ARCH/ directories
[04:48] <AlinuxOS> I have some directories in Georgian:  "New Directory" - " "
[04:48] <cprov> cjwatson: yes, right, something much simpler could be used
[04:48] <AlinuxOS> but I can't see them.
[04:48] <cjwatson> what would the point of reusing that code be when all you actually need is shutil.copy?
[04:49] <cjwatson> AlinuxOS: try 'sudo setupcon'
[04:49] <AlinuxOS> cjwatson, 14 was designed by Gia Shervashidze, 16 was designed by me.
[04:49] <cjwatson> I can only cite the changelog
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ I'm mentioned here but it has no importance :)
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> cjwatson, the problem is that I get rombs...not letters.
[04:52] <AlinuxOS> cjwatson, I'll show you a screenshot...
[04:52] <AlinuxOS> brbr
[04:53] <cjwatson> I don't know what a "romb" is, unless you mean a "rhombus" which is more usually called a diamond in English
[04:54] <ogra> but i guess he just means squares :)
[04:54] <ogra> third dimension in console fonts is rare ;)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ogra: now that would be cool.  perhaps a task for hte compiz guys?
[04:57] <ogra> GL console ?
[04:57] <ogra> that'd be funny  :=
[04:57] <ogra> :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> 3d console
[04:58] <Hobbsee> 3d text, in a 3d console
[04:58] <highvoltage> might be useful for installers.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> *wobbly* 3d text, in a 3d console
[04:58] <highvoltage> (in terms of accessibility)
[04:58] <highvoltage> and for partitioners in d-i
[04:58] <paran> it's a unix system, I know this!
[04:59] <highvoltage> [ x ]  View my disks in a cube
[04:59] <cjwatson> ogra: I understand a diamond as a two-dimensional shape
[05:00] <cjwatson> ogra: compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombus
[05:00] <bwakkie> gutsy questions here?
[05:00] <highvoltage> bwakkie: #ubuntu+1
[05:00] <bwakkie> k
[05:01] <ogra> cjwatson, oh, right i was "germanizing" that :) a diamond is a gem for me :)
[05:01] <ogra> raute would be the common german name for it :) but rhombus would work too
[05:01] <geser> seb128: thanks for processing the sync request but you synced to much in bug #133342
[05:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133342 in zeroc-ice-csharp "[Sync request]  Sync zeroc-ice-csharp (3.2.0-2) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133342
[05:02] <ion_> hobbsee: Make the text *always* scroll/print slowly, make it stridulate, add a few meaningless graphs and scrollers and voil: you have the Hollywood terminal.
[05:02] <seb128> geser: we can only sync to the current version
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ion_: neat!
[05:02] <seb128> geser: I didn't notice they updated it meanwhile
[05:03] <geser> seb128: but it's possible to sync from testing in theory?
[05:05] <pitti> geser: yes, it is
[05:05] <ion_> cjwatson: Hm. Perhaps he means he gets the  character, which perhaps happens to be shaped like a rhombus on his system.
[05:05] <pitti> geser: with some manual hacking we can also sync any other .dsc
[05:07] <seb128> geser: well the new version is not likely an issue there, sorry for the overlook
[05:08] <geser> pitti, seb128: is there a way to make it more visible for you when a sync is not against unstable? to avoid such overlook in the future
[05:08] <pitti> hm, not sure; big red "NOT FROM UNSTABLE"? :)
[05:09] <seb128> geser: no, that was mentioned in the topic which is good enough
[05:09] <seb128> geser: is there anything wrong with the unstable version? that's only a minor revision
[05:09] <geser> seb128: I just looked at the new diff.gz and the new version build-depends on icestorm > 3.2.1 (we have 3.2.0-7)
[05:10] <seb128> geser: either somebody need to update 3.2.0 as 3.2.1.is.3.2.0 or we sync icestorm
[05:13] <geser> seb128: icestorm is build from zeroc-ice and there are 9 source packages starting with zeroc-ice.
[05:14] <seb128> geser: well, it's an universe package, the new version is to debian, and there is several weeks before beta, I would say it should safe to sync those, that's only a minor version
[05:15] <geser> seb128: I'll talk to motu-uvf how to proceed here
[05:15] <seb128> geser: ok, thanks, sorry for the screwing
[05:16] <seb128> all the syncs request are from unstable, I didn't notice the title change there
[05:32] <AlinuxSOS> cjwatson, ping.
[05:38] <soren> Are we still without java support on amd64 in mozilla based browsers?
[05:41] <Lutin> cjwatson: so about loadlin, removing dpkg-adddistfiles would be ok ?
[05:41] <cjwatson> Lutin: yeah
[05:42] <cjwatson> it won't affect the .deb
[05:44] <Lutin> cjwatson: ok, thanks :)
[05:44] <cjwatson> AlinuxSOS: sorry, I have a phone call nowish and can't get into this; file a bug with your problem
[05:45] <AlinuxSOS> cjwatson, ok... I understand... against which package ?
[05:46] <cjwatson> I'm not entirely sure - console-setup?
[05:46] <cjwatson> I'm assuming you're not actually talking about *in* the installer, but about in the console after install
[05:46] <tkamppeter> In bug 134503 the privileged user got removed from the lpadmin group by an upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy, but this was not caused by the cupsys package. Which package it actually did I do not know. Who should I subscribe to this bug who could have knowledge to fix it?
[05:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134503 in cupsys "Upgrade Feisty -> Gutsy: Privileged user not in "lpadmin" group any more" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134503
[05:47] <AlinuxSOS> cjwatson, both, because alternate installer has no Georgian interface too...
[05:47] <AlinuxSOS> even if debian-installer is translated.
[05:48] <cjwatson> AlinuxSOS: ok, file it on debian-installer to start with and include as much detail as you can bearing in mind that I don't read Georgian
[05:48] <AlinuxSOS> cjwatson, ok ... thank you :)
[05:49] <AlinuxSOS> I'll do it.
[05:49] <cjwatson> thanks
[05:49] <AlinuxSOS> cjwatson, thank you too.
[06:00] <pitti> bye everyone
[06:09] <lucky_lucas> Hello bryce
[06:16] <lucky_lucas> hi bryce, I as you can notice, I experience some trouble with the ati driver
[06:29] <ogra> Keybuk, sitll around ?
[06:29] <ogra> *still even
[06:30] <coNP> Seveas: may I bug you with an Ubuntu cloak issue?
[06:31] <Seveas> coNP, sure, but not in here -- try a pm
[06:35] <bryce> lucky_lucas: which specific bug?
[06:36] <ogra> bryce, did you notice, openchrome works fine for me, just xv is missing it seems (got that with the cvs version i complied in feisty though)
[06:36] <bryce> ogra: ah ok
[06:37] <bryce> ogra, I didn't do the packaging on it, but perhaps it just needs a bit flipped
[06:37] <bryce> I probably won't get a chance to look at it soon though - can you put in a bug report on it?
[06:38] <ogra> will do
[06:38] <ogra> who is woring on it ? kyle ?
[06:38] <ogra> or did that move completely to your desk now ?
[06:40] <bryce> superm1 did the packaging for it
[06:40] <bryce> kees and I reviewed and uploaded it
[06:40] <ogra> ah, k
[06:40] <bryce> Mario Limonciello<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:41] <superm1> hi :)
[06:41] <ogra> yep, i remember :)
[06:41] <bryce> heya superm1 :-)
[06:41] <superm1> i wish i had functional hardware myself to test it on, so i could catch something small in testing it
[06:42] <Treenaks> tepsipakki: the new ati deb works fine (except for my pet bug, but upstream is taking care of that)
[06:47] <tepsipakki> Treenaks: excellent
[06:47] <tepsipakki> now party ->
[06:47] <Treenaks> tepsipakki: *\o/*
[06:52] <bryce> tepsipakki, have you gotten much feedback on the xserver?
[06:53] <lucky_lucas> bryce I'm back, I experience a freeze with ati driver and compiz enable
[06:53] <bryce> Treenaks: was that the -ati in Gutsy, or the one on Tepsipakki's page?
[06:54] <bryce> lucky_lucas: ah, which launchpad id#?
[06:54] <lucky_lucas> I'm looking if it's already reported
[06:55] <bryce> cool thanks
[06:55] <lucky_lucas> I didn't do it in launchpad since you told me to contact alex  on the xorg mailing list
[06:55] <bryce> ah that's right - look in the recent freedesktop.org bugzilla entries
[06:56] <bryce> I'm still catching up with email &tc - did you get feedback from him on it?
[06:58] <bryce> tepsipakki, wow, the testers on the Xorg Testers Needed forum are getting quite thorough in their tests!  :-)
[06:59] <lucky_lucas> bryce it's not in launchpad would you like me to open a bug report
[06:59] <bryce> tepsipakki, it sounds to me that the xorg-server upload is sufficiently tested
[06:59] <bryce> lucky_lucas: yes please do
[07:00] <lucky_lucas> ok I may need guidance to find the needed info
[07:00] <bryce> sure
[07:00] <lucky_lucas> Since it's not systematic
[07:00] <lucky_lucas> It seems to be a problem of memory
[07:05] <iwj> doko: Is there some neat trick to not spending five hours building glibc to make a trivial change to the debian/* rules stuff ?
[07:06] <ScottK> iwj: Trick someone else into doing it for you.
[07:06] <doko> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=<n> ... or build on an architecture where not that many variants are built (for example lpia)
[07:07] <iwj> doko: Hrm.
[07:07] <doko> iwj: and nocheck is understood as well
[07:07] <iwj> That might help.
[07:17] <elmo> iwj: you can use ronne, unless you have better hardware locally
[07:20] <Keybuk> ogra: yup
[07:20] <iwj> elmo: Is ronne really kickass then ?  Maybe I should do that.
[07:21] <ogra> Keybuk, on ltsp clients i want to replace the shutdown in the ctrl-alt-del file from upstart with something more radical (reboot -fp) since we cant use normal shutdown there...
[07:21] <ogra> Keybuk, would diverting the file in /etc/event.d be to evil ?
[07:21] <elmo> iwj: no, it's pretty pedestrian these days, we have much better servers... but it's better than anything I have at home ;-)
[07:22] <calc> iwj: from what i recall my box seems faster, may just be while using ccache though, i have a c2d 2.8ghz
[07:22] <ogra> Keybuk, if so, do you have a suggestion ?
[07:23] <ogra> (i think its a conffile)
[07:24] <Keybuk> ogra: why can't you use normal shutdown?
[07:25] <ogra> Keybuk, because several things die to early and we dont need shutdown at all (its all in a tmpfs we can just kill)
[07:25] <Keybuk> eh?
[07:25] <Keybuk> why not just make rc5 and rc6 empty and only call halt or reboot then?
[07:26] <ogra> if nbd-client is gone my filesystem disappears ...
[07:26] <ogra> hm, thats another option i didnt think about yet
[07:26] <Keybuk> that would be the "right" way to do what you want
[07:26] <ogra> as long as the scripts dont return on upgrade :P
[07:26] <ogra> like in the startup levels ...
[07:27] <Keybuk> you'd have the same problem with event.d
[07:27] <ogra> not with a diverted file
[07:27] <Keybuk> if the file was renamed
[07:27] <Keybuk> and where the hell would you divert it to? :p
[07:28] <ogra> ctrl-alt-del-ltsp ?
[07:28] <Keybuk> that wouldn't stop it running :p
[07:28] <ogra> where i call reboot -fp instead of shutdown -r -n
[07:28] <Keybuk> then you'd have both reboot -fp *and* shutdown -r -n run when you pressed c-a-d
[07:28] <seb128> Keybuk: could you look at bug #128257, it's on the sponsor lists of bugs for some time now
[07:28] <ogra> oh, upstart has it hardcoded ?
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128257 in udev "Should include 'plugdev' group in permission.rules" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128257
[07:28] <Keybuk> no
[07:28] <Keybuk> your diversion would be making two jobs
[07:28] <ogra> oh, crap, right
[07:29] <cjwatson> ogra: AIUI diverting conffiles is not legal anyway
[07:29] <Keybuk> seb128: bogus and dangerous
[07:29] <ogra> cjwatson, thast why i was asking for suggestions :)
[07:29] <seb128> Keybuk: ok, would be nice to comment on the bug and unsubscribe main sponsors then ;)
[07:29] <Keybuk> seb128: doing so
[07:29] <seb128> cool
[07:29] <ogra> and i think cleaning out the rc dirs is the easiest ... we have functions for that in ltsp aready
[07:30] <ogra> Keybuk, thanks for the idea :)
[07:33] <Keybuk> seb128: err, how does one unsubscribe somebody?
[07:35] <seb128> Keybuk: you need to be part of the team
[07:36] <seb128> I'm unsubscribing the sponsor team for you
[07:38] <mr_pouit> seb128: are you ok with Lutin's proposed patch for evince?
[07:56] <seb128> mr_pouit: looks ok, feel free to upload if it works fine for you
[07:56] <mr_pouit> seb128: ok, thanks
[07:57] <elmo> has anyone seen smake distclean go into what seems like an inf loop running it's configure-a-like?
[08:01] <pygi> elkbuntu, smake as in schilly's make?
[08:11] <tuxcrafte1> hello guys
[08:11] <tuxcrafte1> is kbd-chooser part of the debian-installer package?
[08:12] <tuxcrafte1> i got this bug: when using the net-install you can't not go back to switch the keyboard layout when you made the wrong choose
[08:12] <tuxcrafte1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kbd-chooser/+bug/32940
[08:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32940 in kbd-chooser "installer, preselected langage - unable to change keyboard layout" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:13] <cjwatson> tuxcrafte1: kbd-chooser is a package on its own, though d-i uses it. If you're using edgy or later, note that we now use console-setup instead.
[08:15] <lucky_lucas> bryce: ping
[08:17] <lucky_lucas> bryce  I need guidance to complete this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/134578
[08:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134578 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Open source ati driver freeze with compiz" [Undecided,New]
[08:17] <d3ce1t> anybody knows if Ubuntu will ship without Xorg 7.3?
[08:18] <lucky_lucas> yes but xrandr 1.2 is in
[08:18] <bryce> lucky_lucas: attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and output from lspci -vvnn
[08:18] <d3ce1t> then will continue with 7.2 but now with xrandr 1.2
[08:18] <lucky_lucas> ok
[08:19] <bryce> use the Xorg.0.log from immediately after a freeze, or Xorg.0.log.old
[08:19] <tuxcrafte1> cjwatson: i use gusty with the net-install
[08:19] <bryce> lucky_lucas: ahh, thanks for reporting that the same issue happens with 6.6.19x.  So it's not a regression, but an existing issue.
[08:20] <lucky_lucas> you welcome, I'v been also using the 6.6.19x randr 1.2 and the issue was in too
[08:21] <tuxcrafte1> cjwatson: i can't find the console-setup project
[08:22] <evand> tuxcrafte1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup
[08:22] <lucky_lucas> bryce: Is any way to track the bug, the memory state etc...
[08:23] <tuxcrafte1> evand: please tell me the steps you used to find it :-p
[08:23] <tuxcrafte1> i went to home typed console-setup did a search
[08:24] <evand> tuxcrafte1: That will only show upstream projects.  If you're going to file a bug in Ubuntu, you need to file it against the source package.  First go to launchpad.net/ubuntu, then type console-setup in the search box.
[08:26] <tuxcrafte1> So now the dilemma: I got this bug: when using the alternate net-install you can't not go back to switch the keyboard layout when you made the wrong choose. Do i report it at console-setup, debian-installer or kbd-chooser?
[08:26] <bryce> lucky_lucas: yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg
[08:27] <bryce> lucky_lucas: you could start with xrestop for monitoring memory usage
[08:28] <lucky_lucas> Ok since it happens randomly, it seems to be a memory corruption or anything like that
[08:30] <evand> tuxcrafte1: I've marked the existing bug as affecting console-setup as well.
[08:31] <tuxcrafte1> evand: thanks, how can i check these kinds of tags?
[08:32] <tuxcrafte1> evand: Affects
[08:32] <tuxcrafte1> evand: found it
[08:32] <tuxcrafte1> evand: it also affect debian-installer correct
[08:32] <evand> tuxcrafte1: No, it's a separate package
[08:33] <tuxcrafte1> evand: hmm
[08:33] <ScottK> "Also affect" means also has the bug, not impacted by the bug.
[08:33] <tuxcrafte1> looking for structure
[08:36] <evand> tuxcrafte1: rather than flood the development channel with discussion about bug reporting and how to use launchpad, please join me in #ubuntu-bugs and we can continue there if necessary.
[08:44] <tuxcrafte1> evand: indeed your write, the discussion when out of focus :-D I will be in the bug channel
[08:44] <tuxcrafte1> s/write/right/
[08:44] <evand> ok
[09:00] <coNP> :)
[09:00] <Amaranth> quilt is awesome
[09:01] <Amaranth> the only time it's annoying is when you don't know what files are changing (like rerunning autoconf) since you have to mark them
[09:01] <agoliveira> Sure is. At least as a sexual toy because it fscking my brain already :)
[09:02] <agoliveira> Really, I'm kidding, I'm probably just not used to it but so far I prefer cdbs.
[09:02] <ogra> agoliveira, i'll join you in hunting the guys in afterlife, ping me if we're there :)
[09:03] <ogra> quilt is insane imho ... as if we hadnt enough complicated build systems ....
[09:03] <pygi> :P
[09:03] <ogra> but then i'm no cdbs fan either
[09:30] <leks> anyone experiencing sound problems with latest updates too?
[09:31] <leks> by sound problems i mean, everything "works", but i cant hear any sound
[09:31] <leks> :-)
[09:32] <plopix> is it possible to backport a lib in gutsy pbuilder on a feisty installation?
[09:32] <bhale> do you mean backport a gutsy package to feisty?
[09:32] <bhale> you'd need the gutsy source built in a feisty pbuilder
[09:32] <plopix> bhale: yes I do
[09:33] <ScottK> plopix: Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  Depends on how much things it depends on have changed.
[09:36] <plopix> I need python-qt4 version 4.3 and can't find it anywhere. Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/131773 status mean that someone requested it, but no one had it done?
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131773 in feisty-backports "Please backport python-qt4 4.3 for feisty" [Undecided,New]
[09:38] <cargohold> Hi all!
[09:38] <ScottK> plopix: That's what it means.
[09:38] <cargohold> I code apps on www.gadmintools.org .. do you have any requests ?
[09:41] <Skiessi> hmm gui for a bittorrent tracker? ^^
[09:42] <Skiessi> for reducing the server bandwidth usage.
[09:43] <Skiessi> That's my only idea and I think it's a good one :P
[09:44] <tuxcrafte1> can somebody explain to me what the difference is between these to files:
[09:44] <tuxcrafte1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz
[09:44] <tuxcrafte1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz
[09:45] <zul> tuxcrafte1: im guess that one is for the generic kernel and one is for the 386 kernel
[09:45] <Skiessi> that's my guess too
[09:46] <finalbeta>  I wish to report a bug, My system freezes up about a minute after I hit the log-on screen (even if I log in). This with the TRibe 5 kernel, the previous one still works. What information should I add, and how do I get it?
[09:47] <tuxcrafte1> zul: but why use the specific i386 folder at the end of the link? I gives the impression there both i386 and not i686
[09:48] <tuxcrafte1> zul: with file do you think is used in the gutsy-alternate-i386.iso cd-image?
[09:48] <zul> tuxcrafte1: not sure
[09:49] <tuxcrafte1> ah i think i can check the file size
[09:49] <tuxcrafte1> or do a checksum
[09:52] <tuxcrafte1> questions marks are weaving around my head to figure out the ubuntu build structure :-D
[09:55] <tuxcrafte1> the two files are definitely different but what is the difference :-D
[10:00] <Skiessi> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz I recommend this one
[10:01] <mastroDani> hi.. i think i found a bug: Ubuntu feisty (fresh install) - 1) Administrator -> Share Folders 2) install samba and nfs, as requested 3) add a new folder share. result: folder shared but no user to access it. if i try to access from another machine it ask for user/password, and the linux user/password isn't accepted.. this is the file created by the graphical tool.. http://pastebin.com/m74d8c9f8
[10:02] <ion_> mastrodani: Better file it at launchpad.net.
[10:02] <mastroDani> the result is that if i don't manually create an user (sudo smbusers -a name) i can't use the share... solution: auto-create users or add the tool to add some user
[10:02] <mastroDani> ion_: yeah .. i know
[10:03] <mastroDani> i don't have an account at launchpad
[10:03] <ion_> Thats easy enough to fix. :-)
[10:03] <mastroDani> can someone of you copy/paste it?
[10:09] <Skiessi> just please fix that random crashing of firefox
[10:12] <IntuitiveNipple> mastroDani: Have you tried sharing a directory outside the /home/ directory? By default samba has home shares disabled so that may be affecting your share
[10:16] <mastroDani> IntuitiveNipple: no i didn't tried... may be.. i will check it tnx
[10:18] <ion_> skiessi: Remove the proprietary flash plugin.  /LOL -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/134602
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134602 in gnome-system-tools "directory share with samba require manual user creation" [Undecided,New]
[10:49] <cargohold> A newbie user trying to share a folder with samba will end up with a not accessible share, cause when trying to access it will receive a request for user/password, and the
[10:49] <cargohold> user/password doesn't exist (the Linux user/password isn't accepted)
[10:50] <cargohold> So the claim is "Dont use GNU/Linux is you want to setup something secure" ?
[10:50] <cargohold> is/if
[10:51] <ion_> cargohold: That is not a very kind way to talk about someone else.
[10:51] <cargohold> [mastroDani]  #debian-it #tremulous.ita #cdb-clan
[10:51] <cargohold> ion_: sorry, i mean 'young at heart'
[10:52] <cargohold> Maybe im too old to be here
[10:52] <cargohold> Kidding :P
[10:53] <cargohold> ion_: why did he /leave just after posting it you think :P
[10:54] <ion_> cargohold: I dont really see how any of that is relevant. His concern is real. It would be a good assumption that the normal credentials would be used by default for directories shared via samba.
[10:55] <cargohold> I hope im not talking to idiots (incase i am, im just coding things for you and sacrificing everything else)
[10:56] <cargohold> ion_: ive talked to them in 2 channels now, beginning in samba... Trolls
[10:56] <cargohold> tech
[10:57] <cargohold> Do you know that dude or just guessing ?
[10:57] <ion_> I wonder how i didnt realize sooner cargoholds a troll. It has been quite obvious from the start.
[10:57] <cargohold> Naturally, you may kick me now
[10:57] <cargohold> :=)
[10:58] <cargohold> Ey, trolltech ?
[10:58] <Ahrgvn> Eltele, do you job instead
[11:00] <cargohold> ion_: i think people know who i am and what i do, what did you code btw ?
[11:01] <Ahrgvn> ion_: Say "Ok"
[11:02] <Ahrgvn> Otherwise we will force you to play trivia with us :=)


[04:53] <letsee> is this the right place for support related questions?
[21:55] <FabLee> anybody know how to fix this issue? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1312210/netplan-bridge-master-getting-a-static-ip-address-instead-of-the-bridge


[04:18] <Takyoji> I take it that the wait time for a triaging mentor is a couple days?
[04:19] <stlsaint> Takyoji: yes it is and maybe sometimes longer
[04:19] <Takyoji> alright
[04:20] <stlsaint> Takyoji: still add your name though, you may get assinged faster if your timezone is compatible better than mine
[04:21] <Takyoji> "add my name" where though?
[04:23] <Takyoji> I sent a notice to the bugsquad-mentorship Launchpad group about 2 days ago.
[04:23] <Takyoji> (if that's what you're referring to)
[10:13] <om26er> greg-g, there?
[10:15] <om26er> greg-g, can you make this commit http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/trunk/revision/766 to gwibber 2.30 branch please https://code.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/2.30
[10:15] <om26er> its a one line fix but makes gwibber to start.
[10:16] <om26er> bug 383759
[10:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 383759 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber fails to start when GNOME has a floating point font set (affects: 45) (dups: 15) (heat: 172)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383759
[10:50] <ali1234> what is the best way to debug pulseaudio?
[10:50] <ali1234> let me ask that another way, how can i find out why some application always stops playing audio after exactly 1 sample?
[11:18] <ali1234> in answer to my own question, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf set log level to debug and then pulseaudio -k and watch syslog
[13:11] <trothigar> please can someone set #565465 status as wishlist
[13:12] <trothigar> ^ lp:565465
[13:20] <brunogirin> hi all, I've got a bug to do with multiple screen support in Lucid, is libxinerama1 the correct package to file this against?
[13:31] <yofel> lp 565465
[13:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 565465 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "Should allow more than one language for spell checking (affects: 1) (heat: 41)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565465
[13:38] <trothigar> yofel: ty
[13:39] <yofel> trothigar: actually... I think that should be reported to the pidgin devs instead of brainstorm as it's an app specific improvement
[13:40] <trothigar> yofel: Good point, I'll forward it upstream.
[13:40] <yofel> thanks :)
[14:23] <yofel> trothigar: after sending a bug upstream we usually post the upstream link with the 3. response from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A%20bug%20that%20should%20be%20handled%20upstream in a comment
[14:26] <yofel> trothigar: also, it's helpful if you put a link to the launchpad bug into the upstream report, like it was done here https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514318
[14:26] <ubot2> Gnome bug 514318 in general "gnome-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[14:33] <trothigar> yofel: thanks very much. Also in response 2 it should be Is as the first word not Are. Would it be alright if I corrected it?
[14:35] <yofel> hm, "Are there any news about this bug?". I think it's fine... any native english speakers here?
[14:35] <charlie-tca> I just came on, what bug?
[14:36] <trothigar> yofel: yes me
[14:36] <trothigar> yofel: news is singular
[14:37] <yofel> charlie-tca: grammer question ;)
[14:37] <yofel> *grammar
[14:37] <yofel> trothigar: will you change it or should I do it?
[14:37] <trothigar> yofel: I'll do it.
[14:37] <yofel> ok, thanks
[14:52] <trothigar> yofel: Now that the bug has been forwarded upstream should the status of the launchpad bug not be wishlist?
[14:53] <yofel> bug 565465
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 565465 in pidgin (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Should allow more than one language for spell checking (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565465
[14:53] <yofel> status is Triaged, Importance is Wishlist
[15:20] <sh4g0> hi!
[15:25] <Gatete>  buenas creo que tengo un bug y no se que hacer, alguien me puede ayudar
[15:25] <brunogirin> sh4g0: hi!
[15:26] <brunogirin> Gatete: si, puedes describir el bug?
[15:28] <Gatete> cuando hay nueve pestañas abierta enpiza a parpadear
[15:29] <Gatete> puede ser una limitacion, hace poco que lo tengo
[15:30] <Gatete> alguien me puede ayudar, tengo la version 10.4
[15:31] <Gatete> hay alguien alli que me comprenda
[15:31] <fabio> Gatete, y el bug en que producto se presenta?
[15:32] <Gatete> creo que es del propio entorno grafico
[15:33] <fabio> cuando dices 9 pestañas?, donde abres esas  9 pestañas, nautilus?
[15:34] <Gatete> nueve carpetas, programas lo que sea cuando llego a 9, parpadea
[15:35] <Gatete> /etc/X11/xorg.conf he buscado este archivo pero no salia
[15:35] <fabio> dmes?
[15:35] <fabio> dmesg?
[15:36] <Gatete> pero si uno  llamado xkrapper
[15:37] <hggdh> folks -- please go to a -es channel. The language here is English
[15:37] <Gatete> ningun tipo de mensaje, se queda asi hasta que cierro una
[15:39] <thekorn> it's a shame I quit my spanish class after a semester ;)
[15:40] <Gatete> tengo la barra en el lado derecho
[15:40] <Gatete> saben si esto ha pasado ha mas gente
[15:43] <fabio> que raro tu error
[15:43] <fabio> que vga usas?
[15:45] <Gatete> disculpen saben si es por configuracion o es un problema
[15:45] <Gatete> join #ubuntu-bug-es
[15:45] <Gatete>  (?)
[15:46] <Gatete> intregrada, creo que de intel, como lo miro
[15:46] <charlie-tca> !es
[15:46] <ubot2> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.
[16:07] <cipherz> hello, so I think I found a bug under the installer which is not filled: I had 3 primary partitions, created an extended and 2 primary (swap and root partition) wanted to install mbr into my new root partition but I could not select it in the list, only see it :( I quit the installer, fdisk'd it and problme solved.. think its because it cant see the partition yet at that stage.. The true question is ''how do I file installation bugs ?)
[16:12] <brunogirin> cipherz: file it against ubiquity, see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[16:13] <cipherz> thanks, should have tried that link, but wasnt sure if I was to file it against a package as it was a part of the installer :)
[16:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 about to start in 19 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:43] <thekorn> dholbach, hello mister UDW, thanks for the reminder
[16:44] <dholbach> :D
[16:57] <enav> hi
[17:01] <om26er> Hello enav
[17:02] <enav> :-D
[17:03] <EzraR> if a backport request has the package listed as also effects is it ok if I remove it?
[17:03] <EzraR> or should i leave it
[17:03] <micahg> EzraR: bug #?
[17:04] <EzraR> 603276
[17:04] <om26er> bug 603276
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603276 in kraft (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please backport kraft (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603276
[17:04] <EzraR> thnx om26er
[17:04] <om26er> EzraR, :)
[17:05] <micahg> EzraR: you can mark the Ubuntu task invalid
[17:05] <micahg> EzraR: and fix the title to include the version to be backported
[17:06] <EzraR> micahg: ok thnx
[17:31] <vish> maco: ^^ seems like a kde bug  [following from -reviews]
[17:37] <abhi_nav> hello friends! :)
[17:37] <mohi1> bye abhi_nav (:
[17:37] <abhi_nav> mohi1, :)
[17:38] <abhi_nav> om26er, you there?
[17:38] <om26er> hello again abhi_nav :)
[17:39] <abhi_nav> om26er, hi can you set importance of bug # 604775 and 604773 and 604770?
[17:39] <om26er> bug 604775
[17:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604775 in lernid "cannot copy paste to terminal (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604775
[17:39] <abhi_nav> om26er, I submitted them yesterday
[17:40] <om26er> bug 604773
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604773 in lernid "lernid doesnt connect to chat rooms quickly. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604773
[17:40] <om26er> bug 604770
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604770 in lernid "user name dont apper as they are (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604770
[17:40] <om26er> abhi_nav, I cant. thats upstream where you reported :(
[17:40] <abhi_nav> om26er, is lernid team here?
[17:42] <abhi_nav> hello anyone from lernid team?
[17:43] <vish> abhi_nav: the lernid team will set importance when they see the bug... meanwhile you can triage Ubuntu bugs :)
[17:43] <abhi_nav> vish, sure :)
[17:43] <abhi_nav> vish, just to know, do lernid team come here? or they have separate channel?
[17:44] <vish> abhi_nav: there is #lernid and there are a few members from lernid team lurking here as well..
[17:44] <abhi_nav> vish, ok thanks
[17:46] <abhi_nav> om26er i have given solution for bug # 577482 this solutino works for me. so what to do about that bug?
[17:46] <abhi_nav> bug 577482
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 577482 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Window decoration and title bar is missing in Lucid (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 72)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577482
[17:47] <om26er> I wonder, maybe send the bug upstream
[17:48] <abhi_nav> om26er,  i think it is already sent upstream. can you just check for me?
[17:48] <om26er> gtk-window-decorator I think starts on login
[17:49] <abhi_nav> om26er, no but we (the bug affected people :) ) need to add it explicitly. so when that bug appers we have it gtk to start so actualy bug is there but it dont affect.
[17:50] <om26er> abhi_nav, apparently on ubuntuforums someone suggested to add /usr/share/compiz as startup app
[17:50] <abhi_nav> om26er, can you give me that forum link?
[17:50]  * om26er guess the cause can be the real fast boot ?
[17:51] <abhi_nav> may be :)
[18:02] <abhi_nav> om26er, in pm
[18:33] <njin> pedro_: hello
[18:33] <enav> hi
[18:37] <vish> njin: pedr-o is in a class right now , it will get over in ~30mins
[18:37] <simar_mohaar> vish, I would be happy, if you could see the comments( may be later) in the bug #554980. If you have time :)
[18:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554980 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "two finger scroll not working on SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad. (affects: 9) (heat: 70)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554980
[18:37] <vish> njin: you can join the #ubuntu-classroom
[18:38] <vish> njin: class is about bug triage , forwarding
[18:40] <njin> vish: Thanks
[18:41] <vish> njin: np , you can ask questions in  #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[18:41] <njin> ok, thanks again :)
[18:41] <vish> simar_mohaar: hmm, interesting bug you got going there ;)
[18:41]  * vish reads comments
[18:43] <simar_mohaar> vish, But I don't know what to do now. :(
[18:54] <vish> simar_mohaar: hmm , yeah , the bug is a bit of a mess , not sure how the Ubuntu X team wants to handle it..
[18:54] <vish> simar_mohaar: but the OP's comment does sound reasonable and to just leave this bug for two-finger touch/scrolling
[18:57] <enav> im being digging at lauchedpad long time but i cant find the bug that make my computer crash after long idle periods
[19:08] <simar_mohaar> vish, But is a patch possible which can set variable properties, which are different for different touchpads ?
[19:09] <simar_mohaar> vish, Sorry for late responses . I'm on #ubuntu-classroom :(
[19:09] <vish> simar_mohaar: should be possible , but the #ubuntu-x team are the folks who would know more
[19:09] <vish> np..
[19:14] <simar_mohaar> vish, these properties are different for thousands of different touchpads possible. Still if you say I will confirm this from Alberto. He's one of the upstream patch writer.
[19:14] <stanley_robertso> hi all .. iam new to this bug team.. just wanted to understand the 5-day presentation.. can somebody help me in understandin git ?
[19:33] <njin> Pedro_: are you in?
[19:35] <njin> pedro_: are you in ?
[20:02] <pedro_> njin, i'm here now ;-), sorry was having lunch
[20:03] <njin> I tooo
[20:03] <pedro_> ;-)
[20:03] <njin> ;-)
[20:21] <pedro_> is "Kangaroo" around ?
[20:22] <simar> pedro_, I will be greatful if you could tell me how you do that firefox #<bug no> thing.
[20:23]  * penguin42 tried to look at one of the bugs with a patch for review, and it's a bizarre type of life story one thats been going on for 4 years; it needs a poltician not a coder by the looks of it
[20:26] <pedro_> simar, sure one sec
[20:26] <simar> pedro_, no problem
[20:33] <pedro_> simar, ok go to Firefox -> Bookmarks -> Organize Bookmarks -> and Create a New Bookmark
[20:34] <pedro_> simar, in Name choose whatever you want and in Location put something like:
[20:34] <pedro_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/TheBugTrackerYouWantToSearchFor/%s
[20:34] <pedro_> en replace "TheBugTrackerYouWantToSearchFor" for the name of the bug tracker on launchpad for example for Gnome bugs use gnome-bugs
[20:35] <simar> pedro_, k
[20:35] <pedro_> then enter keyword you want that bookmark to be activated with and that's all
[20:35] <pedro_> i use 'gnome' as keyword for gnome bugs
[20:36] <simar> pedro_ k
[20:36] <pedro_> and then for use it just enter at the address field in firefox something like
[20:36] <simar> pedro_, I normally use launchpad and freedesktop
[20:36] <pedro_> keyword 123456
[20:36] <pedro_> and you'll be redirected to that
[20:36] <pedro_> cool ;-)
[20:36] <pedro_> let me know if it works for you
[20:39] <vish> hmm , how to use keyword! , never used it in FF
[20:40] <vish> i'v bookmarked the link gnome link and not sure how to trigger the keyword #
[20:41]  * vish stops being lazy and reads man pages ;)
[20:41] <micahg> pedro_: there's always /msg ubot2 gnome XXXXX
[20:42] <pedro_> micahg, only on irc ;-)
[20:42] <pedro_> vish, how to use the keyword?
[20:42] <pedro_> vish, ctrl+L  ; keyword number
[20:43] <vish> pedro_: cool! yeah , just googled it thanks!
[20:43] <simar> pedro_, Great work for me!!
[20:43] <pedro_> vish, you're welcome
[20:43] <vish> was reading this http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html
[20:43] <pedro_> simar, awesome!
[20:43] <simar> Thanks pedro_
[20:43] <vish> looks like they are using you trick :)
[20:43] <pedro_> you're welcome simar
[20:43] <pedro_> share it with others ;-)
[20:43] <pyro_akm> Hello, I don't know where to post this bug to inform Ubuntu developpers. I've tryed to install Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) on PS3, and the cell-sdk package is not installable.
[20:44] <vish> micahg: that gives the lp bug# ?
[20:44]  * vish tries
[20:44] <micahg> vish: that can give you a link for any tracker
[20:44] <micahg> vish: any tracker ubot2 knows about
[20:44] <vish> pedro_'s thing was about using the upstream bug# and finding the lp bug
[20:45] <vish> micahg: ^
[20:45] <micahg> vish: ah, I misunderstoof
[20:45] <micahg> *misunderstood
[20:46] <vish> micahg: we have to shakedown pedro_ one day for more tricks :p
[20:46] <vish> he seems to have a lot of them ;)
[20:47]  * pedro_ runs
[20:49] <hggdh> pyro_akm: have you opened a bug against it?
[20:51] <simar> Works for me against launchpad also. Thanks again pedro_
[20:51] <pyro_akm> I've just seen that the bug is allready listed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cell-sdk/+bug/581339
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 581339 in cell-sdk (Ubuntu) "cell-sdk fails to install with unmet dependencies (affects: 1) (heat: 58)" [Undecided,New]
[21:40] <MadCowBoy_> Hi all, My first attempt at triaging a bug. Check it out, I think its status should be set to wishlist.
[21:41] <MadCowBoy_> hope im not stepping on sanderdDs toes/karma
[21:41] <charlie-tca> MadCowBoy_: bug number? Usually as "bug #"
[21:41] <MadCowBoy_> #605166
[21:42] <charlie-tca> bug 605166
[21:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605166 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero does not tell to install gstreamer-plugins-bad-multiverse in order to get mplex when burning a video dvd (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605166
[21:42] <MadCowBoy_> right on, thanks for the hint.
[21:43] <charlie-tca> Okay
[21:43] <charlie-tca> If you refer them to brainstorm, normally the status will be invalid, since it is not a bug
[21:44] <charlie-tca> If we confirm it, it should probably go upstream against brassero, so the "nice to have" can be added by upstream instead of us
[21:45] <charlie-tca> Please don't assign bugs to yourself or anyone else unless you are fixing them.
[21:45] <MadCowBoy_> OK, I get you.
[21:45] <MadCowBoy_> OK, will do,
[21:47] <charlie-tca> For a first bug, though, it is not a bad thing to be told these things. I also always subscribe to every bug I touch, so I know if there is any response to what I did/said.
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I have fixed it. Thank you very much for trying. We really appreciate any help you are willing to give.
[21:49] <MadCowBoy_> thanks charlie-tca, I figure I'd like to contribute, any other suggestions would be helpful,
[21:49] <MadCowBoy_> I'll find another one to try.
[21:49] <charlie-tca> Great! Please keep trying


[02:27] <richac> hello all, I just installed lubuntu today
[02:27] <richac> I have a couple weird issues though,  the notify alert bubble looks glitched out with lines through it
[02:27] <richac> anyway to fix that?
[02:35] <richac> ok I just changed the theme that fixed it
[02:35] <richac> the other issues I have is the icon doesn't change when lauching an application to show its loading/busy
[02:35] <richac> and the apparmor profile for chromium doens't work, only for firefox
[02:38] <richac> when i said icon i meant the mouse curorse
[02:38] <richac> *cursor
[02:43] <ianorlyn> richac: I think changing the widget in lxappearcen is one workaround
[02:45] <richac> ianorlyn: a workaround for which?
[02:45] <ianorlyn> the lines in notification
[02:45] <richac> oh I just fixed that by just changing the theme in customize appearance menu
[02:46] <ianorlyn> I am not sure about apparmor for chromium
[02:46] <ianorlyn> yeah I was trying to tell you but got called afk
[02:46] <richac> what about making the mouse curso change to the busy symblo when launching an application from desktop or start menu?
[02:46] <richac> i can see my parently clicking too many times lol
[02:46] <ianorlyn> I don't really know about that
[02:46] <richac> *parents
[02:46] <richac> hmm
[02:48] <richac> i wonder if apparmor works on 14.04.3 i installed the 15.04 iso
[02:49] <richac> i mean for chromium,  seems to work ok for cups, ntpd and firefox though
[02:51] <richac> ianorlyn: is there a lubuntu forums i can post on?
[02:51] <ianorlyn> there are the main ubuntu ones
[02:53] <richac> ianorlyn: i posted on this thread https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1471645
[03:01] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: would you know where i can find the apparmor profiles for ubuntu 15.04 online?
[03:04] <CooloutAC> Metacity: hey man you know how i can get the chromium apparmor profile to work?
[03:07] <CooloutAC> oh so interesting on launchpad.net they don't have a chromium profile online
[03:08] <CooloutAC> at bazaar.lauchpad.net i guess ubuntu no longer supports a chromium apparmor profile
[03:11] <CooloutAC> it says its supported ont he wiki.ubuntu.com/security/team/...
[03:11] <CooloutAC> but the link they give to the repo.  there is no chromium profile
[03:11] <CooloutAC> oh wait it says "other"profiles so I guess thats not official
[03:11] <CooloutAC> where can I find the offical profiles online?
[03:12] <CooloutAC> it says "profiles in active development can be found in the public repository, is that something diff then whats official?
[03:17] <CooloutAC> nevermind the suggestion on launchpad bug page worked
[03:18] <CooloutAC> i put it int he wrong spot i think the first time this time i put it at the very top
[03:18] <CooloutAC> oh tk god
[03:18] <CooloutAC> well i downloaded profile from github but I think it was same then added the lines in there at the top
[03:19] <CooloutAC> ok so thats 2 out of 3 issues fixed
[03:19] <CooloutAC> now my only issue the fact the mouse cursor doesn't change to loading or busy symbol when lauching an app from the desktop
[03:20] <CooloutAC> people in my house tend to click too much already haha
[03:22] <CooloutAC> ok i feel better now though
[03:22] <CooloutAC> I just switched from fedora lxde
[03:22] <CooloutAC> i've used fedora for years,  but every it just becomes more of a pain
[03:23] <CooloutAC> *every year
[03:24] <ianorlyn> I don't know much about apparmor
[03:29] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: it helps a bit for security of the internet facing apps
[03:29] <CooloutAC> wouldn't hurt to turn it on,  nothing complicated you have to do
[03:29] <CooloutAC> sudo apt-get install apparmor apparmor-profiles apparmor-utils
[03:30] <CooloutAC> then sudo aa-enforce usr.bin.firefox
[03:30] <CooloutAC> done.
[03:30] <CooloutAC> cups and ntp will already be auto enforced
[03:31] <CooloutAC> if you want it to work for chomium then you have to add the lines from that bug report to your usr.bin.chromium-browser profile file located in /etc/apparmor.d
[03:31] <CooloutAC> you can always check the status with sudo aa-status
[03:32] <CooloutAC> if profile is not working right for example if chromium not working right iwth apparmor on,  then you do sudo aa-complain usr.bin.chromium-browser
[03:32] <CooloutAC> to disable the profile,   thats all there is to it really
[03:32] <CooloutAC> I don't make my own profiles or anything
[03:32] <CooloutAC> thats what I like about ubuntu lol
[03:33] <CooloutAC> on fedora i was using the default targeted selinux profile
[03:34] <CooloutAC> but i was getting tired of manucally configuring things on fedora,  like yesterday i had to make a udev rule so my parents phones would mount properly.  the 4.1 kernels give an annoying error message on boot,   just annoying things all the time with fedora
[03:34] <CooloutAC> it gets more buggy every year
[03:34] <CooloutAC> since fedora 22 the bad mirrors are always staling the update process making it frustrating to wait
[03:34] <CooloutAC> i got tired of it switched to lubuntu
[14:57] <userun> is skype compatible with lubuntu ?
[14:57] <holstein> nothing is preventing stkype from being made to run on linux/ubuntu/lubuntu, userun
[14:57] <holstein> !skype
[15:47] <baqir> hi
[15:47] <baqir> anyone here
[15:47] <baqir> need help
[15:47] <baqir>  please
[15:48] <baqir> please need help
[15:48] <rafaellaguna> what's wrong, baqir?
[15:48] <baqir> how can i check the iso file?
[15:49] <rafaellaguna> check?
[15:49] <rafaellaguna> you mean the md5 file?
[15:49] <rafaellaguna> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[15:49] <Botchla> baqir, weren't you told in #ubuntu you needed to use the Mint channel elsewhere?
[15:50] <Botchla> iirc you had an issue trying to install Ubuntu from an USB stick which you 'burned' from a Mint program?
[15:59] <baqir> man i dont know y i cant download it rafaellaguna , it told me http://im78.gulfup.com/0dUQlu.png
[16:02] <baqir> r u here rafaellaguna
[16:03] <rafaellaguna> YES, i CAN'T SEE YOUR IMAGE
[16:03] <rafaellaguna> sorry, caps
[16:03] <baqir> y u cant
[16:03] <rafaellaguna> dunno
[16:04] <baqir> Botchla, but an operator from linuxmint-help told me to check the iso from ubuntu
[16:04] <wxl> baqir: that operator means check the md5
[16:04] <wxl> !md5 | baqir
[16:05] <rafaellaguna> yes, but we can't give support to their tools
[16:06] <wxl> that too
[16:06] <wxl> so once you check the md5 is correct, you go back to mint
[16:06] <wxl> if the md5 is not correct, it is likely a download error, in which case, you download again
[16:07] <wxl> the best way to do it is to get it over zsync or torrent which will do some checksumming along the way
[16:07] <wxl> !torrent | baqir
[16:07] <wxl> !zsync | baqir
[16:10] <baqir> guys sorry but u didnt understood my issue . im using linux mint but i need to know if the iso is safe and correct to install ubuntu, but when i go where did u told me and try to download it they told like the picture http://im78.gulfup.com/0dUQlu.png
[16:11] <rafaellaguna> I'm sorry, baqir, I can't see it
[16:11] <rafaellaguna> can you use imgur, for instance?
[16:11] <Botchla> That picture doesn't load here.
[16:13] <wxl> baqir: Unable to load the webpage because the server sent no data.'
[16:13] <baqir> okay wait
[16:13] <wxl> baqir: in other words, your image is in accessible
[16:14] <rafaellaguna> baqir, imgur.com works fine for me
[16:17] <baqir> http://i.imgur.com/8Dl4U6B.png
[16:18] <baqir> is thats site okay?
[16:18] <wxl> baqir: those are the md5s. what's your point?
[16:19] <baqir> need to check the iso file
[16:19] <baqir> of ubuntu
[16:19] <wxl> baqir: right. i sent you the instructions, already
[16:19] <baqir> they told me use this
[16:19] <wxl> !md5 | baqir
[16:20] <wxl> baqir: those are the md5 checksums. the instructions i give you tell you how to check them.
[16:20] <baqir> wxl, what did u give me
[16:21] <wxl> baqir: i can't read it for you, my friend. it's the instructions on how to do what mint told you to do.
[16:24] <baqir> man didnt get it
[16:24] <rafaellaguna> baqir, you want to download an ISO and check its MD5 to ensure it's downloaded right, don't you??
[16:25] <rafaellaguna> then http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[16:25] <wxl> baqir: you read the instructions and follow them. essentially if you have the program md5sum (you do), you run (in terminal) md5sum /path/to/your/iso/file
[16:25] <wxl> it will split out a value that should match the associated value in your image
[16:25] <wxl> if they match, go back to mint
[16:25] <wxl> if they dont' match, re-download
[16:25] <wxl> example:
[16:25] <wxl> if you do (literally) md5sum foo, you get this:
[16:26] <wxl> md5sum: foo: No such file or directory
[16:26] <wxl> oops
[16:26] <wxl> not that hahahahah
[16:26] <rafaellaguna> .__.
[16:26] <wxl> b8ac69272de657f579ebe3594b7a03bc  foo
[16:38] <baqir> man what i should write in terminal
[16:38] <rafaellaguna> baqir, may I ask why are you worried about the ISO integrity?
[16:40] <baqir> because i think i have a problem with
[16:40] <rafaellaguna> I recommend downloading it using a torrent file, with Transmission
[16:41] <rafaellaguna> as it's continuously synced it's safer. and usually faster.
[16:42] <rafaellaguna> baqir, grab the torrent for AMD64 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.04/release/lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:42] <rafaellaguna> or the 32bit one: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.04/release/lubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[16:42] <rafaellaguna> more info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[18:37] <andre0991> Hi. I am trying to execute some xcape and setxkbmap whenever lxde starts. I added them to autostart in ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu, but it doesn;t work. I am using Lubuntu 15.04.
[18:39] <andre0991> These commands show up in the LXSession configuration and they are enabled, but they aren;t executed
[18:48] <andre0991> Actually, I added leafpad and it starts fine, but xcape does not.
[22:37] <tsimonq2> mayday
[22:37] <tsimonq2> oh no lubotu is down
[23:59] <teward> anyone know if there's an Lubuntu that works on armhf hardware?


[00:22] <jyo> Poll has been closed. Emailing results to the list now.
[02:10] <pleia2> jyo: thanks, you did a great job running the election :)
[06:47] <rww> lol i got elky addicted to ingress
[06:47] <elky> I CAN SEE STUfF FROM MY APARTMENT
[06:48] <rww> she keeps waving the phone around trying to get a gps signal so she can hack from her chair
[06:48] <elky> IT IS WRONG COLOR
[06:48] <rww> also she has 1/10th of the points I do
[06:48] <rww> because I am 10x as cool
[19:44] <raevol> https://openmw.org/2014/openmw-0-28-0-released/
[19:44] <darthrobot`> Title: [OpenMW 0.28.0 Released! | OpenMW, Open source Elderscrolls III: Morrowind reimplementation, Morrowind remake, Morrowind remade,]
[21:17] <iheartubuntu> hello hello


[20:14] <dob1> I think I found something about firefox/dpms and i3 (or window manager in general),  xssproxy could be a package that can make it to work
[20:39] <ogra> 👍
[21:05] <dob1> even if the utility receive dbus messages (look at logs https://dpaste.org/tAhxv) the screen still goes off
[21:05] <dob1> I installed xscreensaver too but it's the same


[15:51] <durrell> Managed to upgrade to Gnome 3.8 without destroying anything
[15:51] <durrell> I think I can quit for the day


[07:57] <jani_> Is this a chat, can i send hi to everyone i know ?
[07:58] <diogenes_> !topic
[08:23] <IrcsomeBot4> Vinoth Kannan was added by: Vinoth Kannan
[10:52] <jubo2> y0
[10:53] <jubo2> and thanks for the awesomely versatile and of usually pretty good quality Kubuntu Linux
[10:54] <jubo2> Would it be too much to ask for a 'Open in which browser' dialogue to Kubuntu?
[10:55] <jubo2> Like instead of always getting the default browser and whichever window had focus
[10:56] <jubo2> *Click* -> "Open in which browser? -> "In which window?" -> link opens
[10:57] <jubo2> Browsers should have për window graphics. Now it just shows me redundant replication of the FireFox logo
[10:57] <jubo2> .. but that one is an issue for the browser developers iianm
[11:01] <jubo2> It would totally kick ass if You could choose in all browsers: #1 *right-click* hyperlink in browser #2 "Open in a ...?"-menu pops up: #3 Select "'Open in "another broser"' and #4 Select the browser => Awsomeness
[11:01] <jubo2> Ability to select the window of the browser is a much less priority thing, but would work into this
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:03] <jubo2> I'll give you a actual use case of mine: I have 4 browsers with 4 twitter accounts open. I would like to send link to the browser with the right twitter account logged in
[11:03] <jubo2> I would actually need a 5 th browser or a good browser container system
[11:03] <jubo2> Howdy BluesKaj
[11:04] <BluesKaj> hey jubo2
[11:06] <jubo2> BluesKaj: what do you think of my UI innovation pitches up there. #1 "Open in which browser?" for Kubuntu and browsers and #1 a more minor improvement "Open hyperlink in which window of the browser?"
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[11:07] <BluesKaj> !spam | Umesh Gamod
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[11:08] <jubo2> Dänks acheronuk
[11:08] <acheronuk> :)
[11:10] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Also I have previously noticed that seeing e.g. 3 pcs Firefox logos, 2 Opera logos, 4 Chromium logos or 3 Chrome does not really help you in "Which is the window I want?"
[11:10] <jubo2> BluesKaj: That is definitely an OS thing
[11:11] <jubo2> So there should be graphics to be set per window instance
[11:12] <jubo2> "Home, falititating websites and leisure"-window
[11:12] <jubo2> "Hosting stuff"-window
[11:12] <jubo2> "Word stuff"-window
[11:13] <jubo2> then give the user the possibility to easily and effortlesly assign a graphic for the window
[11:13] <jubo2> s/Word/Work/
[11:19] <jubo2> Another freebie innovation pitch: "Raise all konsole windows to the top, please."-command
[11:21] <jubo2> Some would like to do be able to do the same thing for other programs too, I would assume
[11:22] <jubo2> "Bring all windows of program X to the top, maintaining their internal Z-order" is how I'd shape it so it is a design goal
[11:25] <jubo2> I can write tickets on #1 Ability to select in OS "Open in which browser?"-dialogue and/or menu and #2 Bring all windows of program X to front ... the thing is just I keep on forgetting where everyone's bugzilla is
[11:28] <jubo2> oh and the #3 'rightclick -> open in? -> another browser'
[11:28] <BluesKaj> jubo2, I have no idea about containers
[11:29] <jubo2> and the #4 Graphics instead on N instances of Browser logo (... and same goes for other programs
[11:29] <jubo2> BluesKaj: What kind of browser container solution you might be interested in?
[11:30] <jubo2> Got a generic and an "attempt to isolate Facebook owned sites" add-ons for firefox
[11:30] <BluesKaj> like I said i don't use containers
[11:31] <BluesKaj> I don't have facebook acct anymore\\
[11:32] <BluesKaj> jubo2, you might want to express your ideas in the #kubuntu-devel chat rather tha here
[11:32] <jubo2> BluesKaj: not need to wait very long till SAFE Network goes up and some people write replacements for most of the things on the current internet incl. Facebook obviously
[11:32] <BluesKaj> than
[11:32] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Tackar
[11:32] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I did not know about #kubuntu-devel 5 minutes ago
[11:33] <jubo2> .. till you mentioned it
[14:15] <atif> ok
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[21:59] <kingsley> Hi
[21:59] <kingsley> Is the PPC64LE/POWER9 architecture supported?
[21:59] <kingsley> If so, how well?
[23:08] <mparillo> kingsley: The only Kubuntu Architecture currently supported is x86_64 (also known as amd64)
[23:19] <mparillo> kingsley: But in #kubuntu-offtopic if you try (best would be daytime in the USA), there is somebody who makes a hobby of rescuing old PPC computers.


[06:19] <sfllaw> Why is this channel unregistered?
[06:21] <ajmitch> probably because an op needs to register it
[06:22] <ajmitch> and for someone to be an op, you either need to kick everyone from the channel, or talk nicely to a freenode staffer
[06:23] <ajmitch> it used to be registered, awhile ago
[06:23] <ajmitch> I guess the original contact may have dropped it
[06:25] <ajmitch> sfllaw: talking to a staffer now, it will get sorted
[06:28] <Burgundavia> it was finally dereggedc
[06:28] <Burgundavia> excellent
[06:29] <ajmitch> yep
[06:29] <ajmitch> nalioth has to ping seveas about it first
[06:29] <Burgundavia> the original registrar was a semi-troll, tbh
[06:30] <ajmitch> yep
[06:30] <ajmitch> s/semi-//
[06:32] <Burgundavia> he had some good ideas, he just didn't know when to stop
[06:33] <sfllaw> I see.
[06:33] <sfllaw> I have a laptop.
[06:33] <sfllaw> I had to fight with /etc/default/acpi-support to get it to suspend.
[06:33] <sfllaw> It was very unhappy.
[06:33] <ajmitch> mine suspends beautifully
[06:33] <sfllaw> ajmitch: :(
[06:33] <ajmitch> however waking up isn't reliable
[06:33] <sfllaw> Hmm.
[06:34] <ajmitch> which is quite an important part
[06:34] <sfllaw> Mine didn't even suspend.
[06:34] <Burgundavia> acpi-support is a gross hack, basically
[06:34] <ajmitch> it's an acer, so it has some acpi weirdness
[06:34] <Burgundavia> mjg59 even admits it
[06:34] <sfllaw> It's true.
[06:34] <ajmitch> mjg59 has looked at mine, and thrown up his hands in disgust
[06:35] <Burgundavia> heh
[10:30] <Burgwork> ajmitch: you around?
[10:30] <ajmitch> sure
[10:30] <Burgwork> you got ops
[10:30] <ajmitch> I know
[10:30] <ajmitch> I was bugging nalioth about registering it
[10:31] <ajmitch> which he has graciously done now
[10:44] <Burgwork> ajmitch: you got something of the auth-client to show us?
[10:45] <ajmitch> not right now (being at work & going away for a few days afterwards)
[10:45] <Burgwork> ah
[10:46] <ajmitch> visiting home is usually dull & boring, so I'll either read or hack :)