[00:46] <michaela> how do i change the clock on the top panel to show 12 hour clock instead of 24 hour clock
[00:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> go into the clock properties.
[00:47] <michaela> ok
[00:47] <michaela> now what
[00:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> there should be a drop box for the clock format
[00:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> Pick one that shows a 12 hour format
[00:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh geez... I didn't even ask what desktop environment. sorry
[00:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> I could be giving you the wrong advice
[00:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol... I just brain farted.
[00:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's xubuntu... duh! It's xfce
[00:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm juggling too many distro help rooms. :)
[01:26] <CyberJuanito> Heelp! A noob here!
[01:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> A question would be more helpful
[01:28] <CyberJuanito> Xubuntu taskbar missing, i try xfce4-panel in "run" dialogue, it appears again, it blinks and is gone again, what do i do?
[01:28] <CyberJuanito> yes, i´m sorry
[01:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> do it in terminal and see if it throws an error
[01:30] <CyberJuanito> ok, lets see
[01:32] <CyberJuanito> yes, oh god so many things, error bus and many "failed" messages
[01:34] <CyberJuanito> "unable to get application list: operacion cancelada (cancelled operation)
[01:35] <CyberJuanito> "indicatorObjetc class does not have an accesible description"
[01:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> jinkies
[01:38] <CyberJuanito> what i did: installed xubuntu, installed updates, installed openoffice, installed chromium, TRY to install propietary stuff (failed), TRY to install vlc (failed), restarted system and got this :(
[01:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> how did they fail?
[01:41] <CyberJuanito> they just stop installing after download and got a message saying they could not be installed, can´t remember the exact sentence of the error, but it looked like generic installation fail
[01:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> type this in terminal: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> I want to see if there was an interupted istall
[01:43] <CyberJuanito> right away
[01:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> If it's "fine" There will be no output
[01:45] <CyberJuanito> nothing, just ask for password and then nothing
[01:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm...
[01:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, what were you trying to install before vlc?
[01:47] <CyberJuanito> the pack that allows to run flash, mp3, mpg and other stuff
[01:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... Hmm
[01:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, you could try installing it again in terminet using apt-get, if you know the package name.
[01:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> With that said, we need to worry about your panels.
[01:49] <bazhang> xubuntu-restricted-extras is the name
[01:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> ok, try: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> See if that pops an error.
[01:50] <CyberJuanito> right away
[01:52] <CyberJuanito> o crap, it got disconected from inet, please wait
[01:56] <CyberJuanito> (lol me talk like robot)
[01:56] <CyberJuanito> ok, downloading
[01:58] <CyberJuanito> e: prior errors apply to /var/cache bla bla bla
[01:58] <CyberJuanito> that message repeated many times
[01:58] <CyberJuanito> with different files i think
[01:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm
[02:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> type this: apt-cache policy xubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> To see if it shows as installed
[02:02] <CyberJuanito> yes sir
[02:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> same with vlc: apt-cache policy vlc
[02:03] <CyberJuanito> says none of them are installed
[02:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> lets see if we can clean out the cache.
[02:03] <CyberJuanito> ok
[02:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove.
[02:05] <CyberJuanito> done
[02:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> try installing xubuntu-restricted-extras again
[02:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:07] <CyberJuanito> right away
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> still throwing out errors?
[02:11] <CyberJuanito> geez..it was doin it so good.. but at the end "error: leyendo el fichero info del paquete (reading info file? of package). Error input/output
[02:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm....
[02:12] <CyberJuanito> e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[02:12] <CyberJuanito> Poison...
[02:12] <CyberJuanito> Poison_Dragon, THANK YOU for taking the time sir,but i have to go now :( i´ll try to do fix it with what you have said to me ;)
[02:13] <CyberJuanito> Poisoned*
[02:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> k
[02:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> sorry I wasn't more helpful
[02:14] <CyberJuanito> you helped me, thanks
[04:17] <shakti> Hello
[04:17] <shakti> I am using Xubuntu 12.04
[04:18] <shakti> i uninstalled my network manger after my internet stopped responding
[04:18] <shakti> and now I am unable to get it back
[04:18] <shakti> as no form of internet works on my system anymore
[04:18] <shakti> the numerous blogs/tutorials I read
[04:19] <shakti> all demand an active internet connection to apt-get newtwork manager
[04:19] <shakti> is there any alternative
[04:19] <shakti> ???
[04:19] <shakti> Please help
[04:22] <holstein> shakti: get what back? the network manage? why did you remove it? and how did you remove it?
[04:22] <shakti> yes the network manager
[04:22] <shakti> my internet had stopped working
[04:23] <shakti> and was not being connected to wifi or lan
[04:23] <holstein> shakti: i gathered that, from when you said "my internet stopped working" above
[04:23] <holstein> shakti: how did you remove it?
[04:23] <shakti> sudo apt-get remove --purge NetworkManager
[04:23] <holstein> shakti: what i was getting at was, why did you remove that as a "fix" ? did you read a guide?
[04:24] <shakti> yes
[04:24] <shakti> only to realize that the guide in its later part mentioned
[04:24] <shakti> that I would need to re-install using an active internet connection
[04:25] <shakti> and now I am screwed
[04:25] <holstein> shakti: what guid?
[04:25] <holstein> guide*
[04:25] <shakti> it was on some blog
[04:26] <shakti> is there anything that can be done to restore my internet
[04:26] <holstein> shakti: what would you like to do? download the packages from the internet? and install? or manually set up the connetion?
[04:27] <holstein> shakti: yes.. plenty
[04:27] <holstein> shakti: you can always reinstall
[04:27] <shakti> thanks you are a savior
[04:27] <holstein> shakti: you can use a live CD to generate download scripts easily via synaptic
[04:27] <holstein> shakti: you can manually setup the wired connection
[04:28] <shakti> I don't have a live cd
[04:28] <shakti> I used a USB for installation
[04:28] <shakti> can I still do it
[04:29] <holstein> shakti: live media then... cd or whatever.. you know that when i say "live CD", important part there is that you can connect to the internect from it, correct? not that it be on a Cd
[04:29] <holstein> shakti: doesnt matter what you run the live CD iso from
[04:29] <shakti> I am a newbie
[04:29] <shakti> I didn't know that
[04:29] <shakti> moreover I am a little panicked
[04:30] <shakti> have a college deadline to meet
[04:30] <holstein> this is something pretty "light" that i did with a piano player
[04:30] <shakti> and the mean machine won't work
[04:30] <holstein> i call it newage
[04:30] <holstein> http://www.rstrio.com/skyjazzcd.html
[04:30] <holstein> new-age
[04:30] <holstein> shakti: sorry.. wrong channel
[04:31] <shakti> I have the live cd then
[04:31] <shakti> please guide me how to do it
[04:32] <holstein> shakti: synaptic, as i have guided, generates download scripts
[04:33] <shakti> i am really sorry to bother you like this
[04:34] <shakti> but i don't understand what you mean
[04:34] <shakti> I mean from where can I access synaptic
[04:35] <holstein> shakti: i would install it onto the live CD.. but its just one way to do it
[04:35] <holstein> shakti: this is relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/974/how-can-i-install-software-or-packages-without-internet-offline
[04:42] <shakti> tried installing keryx
[04:42] <shakti> fails to install on my system a
[04:43] <shakti> and the synaptic manager fails to starts
[04:43] <holstein> shakti: you'll need to define "fails"
[04:43] <holstein> shakti: in depth
[04:45] <shakti> keyrx depends on python-support (>=0.90.0) however Package python-support is not installed
[04:45] <shakti> dpkg: eroor processing keryx (--install)
[04:45] <holstein> shakti: you'll need to manually grab those dependanies as well
[04:45] <shakti> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[04:45] <holstein> shakti: if you are not online
[04:45] <shakti> okay
[04:45] <holstein> shakti: right.. you are not online
[04:45] <shakti> yes
[04:46] <holstein> so, the package manager cant automatically resolve dependencies for you from the repo
[04:46] <holstein> shakti: why not connect to a netork manuallly?
[04:46] <shakti> is there any way I can connect my machine to my friends ad-hoc network manually and then install all these packages
[04:47] <holstein> shakti: manually
[04:47] <holstein> shakti: thats what im asking.. why are you not just connecting manually?
[04:47] <shakti> I don't know how to?
[04:48] <shakti> I am technically challenged
[04:48] <shakti> i have tried lshw -C network and it says networking-disabled
[04:49] <holstein> shakti: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[04:49] <holstein> shakti: can you not wire it up?
[04:50] <shakti> no I have only wifi access in my dorm
[04:53] <holstein> shakti: then, the link i gave explains how to manually set it up
[04:53] <holstein> shakti: also, the live usb you have should have the pacakges you need on it
[04:55] <shakti> thanks
[04:55] <shakti> I am really grateful for your help
[04:56] <shakti> I might have to disturb you
[04:56] <shakti> if I get stuck
[04:56] <shakti> thus, my apologies in advance
[05:33] <xubuntu864> hello I have a question. How do I open the desktop and software center in xubuntu 13.04? I am a total newbie.
[05:34] <xubuntu864> I can get bittorrent to open up but cant get further that there.
[05:40] <xubuntu864> Is someone able to help me?
[05:42] <holstein> xubuntu864: the desktop directory can be found in the filemanager
[05:42] <holstein> xubuntu864: you should see the package manager in the menu as well
[05:47] <xubuntu864> I am obviously in a learning curve problem. I can see the bit torrent screen but cant figure out what to do next.
[05:49] <holstein> xubuntu864: what bit torrent screen?
[05:49] <holstein> xubuntu864: im not understanding how bit torrent is relating to this question
[05:50] <xubuntu864> bittorrent is the only screen I can get to open from the dvd I burned.
[05:50] <xubuntu864> Or perhaps it is trying to open the file I want
[05:51] <holstein> xubuntu864: what dvd?
[05:52] <xubuntu864> I have an old xp machine and want to install xubuntu on it as os from disc.
[05:53] <holstein> xubuntu864: ok.. and you have installed?
[05:54] <xubuntu864> not that I can see. I can get torrent movie files to work.
[05:57] <xubuntu864> windows crashed mixing os files all over the hard drive so it no longer works as it should. That is why I want to get rid of xp altogether and just run a linux program.
[05:59] <xubuntu864> when I boot up it first opens in windows then the bit torrent screen opens but there is no option to install xubuntu anywhere.
[06:00] <holstein> xubuntu864: torrent movie files?
[06:01] <holstein> xubuntu864: if you have bad hardware, linux wont "fix" it
[06:01] <holstein> xubuntu864: from what you are describing, i would want to backup my data from the hard drive, and test it
[06:01] <holstein> xubuntu864: what im asking is, do you have xubuntu installed?
[06:02] <xubuntu864> I am going to assume that I have not.
[06:03] <holstein> xubuntu864: you can "recover" your data using a xubuntu live CD..
[06:04] <xubuntu864> It is late and I am going to bed. I will try again tomorrow. thank you for your responses. I will think about what you said.
[06:05] <holstein> xubuntu864: cheers
[06:11] <kRush> can anyone explain to me why enumerating /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail reduces the available entropy?
[06:29] <jack_2> Hey guys
[09:44] <jarnos> Are session crashes common to you? I get one usually when logging out and session cannot remember applications properly.
[09:45] <jarnos> This kind of issue has been present on Xfce since many Xubuntu releases.
[10:13] <HypothesisFrog> hi. It's very annoying. I have a panel that's just stopped autohiding. No explanation.
[10:14]  * HypothesisFrog has limited screen space
[10:15] <Sysi> run xfce4-panel -r
[10:22] <HypothesisFrog> Sysi ta. That seemed t o do the trick. Got my screen space back now.
[11:14] <thunder1212> hi
[11:14] <baizon> hello thunder1212
[11:14] <baizon> how can i help you?
[14:57] <xubuntu933> any brazilian?
[16:27] <xubuntu829> Total beginner here
[16:28] <xubuntu829> I have used Ubuntu since 2006, but the latest version isn't supported by my old Dell computer's configuration
[16:29] <xubuntu829> I want to switch from Ubuntu to XUbuntu -- preferably loading from a USB thumb drive
[16:29] <xubuntu829> But I want to replace the version of Ubuntu I have on my Ubuntu drive with Xubuntu and keep my dual-boot capability
[16:31] <xubuntu829> Problem is I configured the Dell for Ubuntu so long ago I forgot how it was done, and I'm not a computer geek for a living so I need
[16:31] <xubuntu829> to always start from the beginning
[16:32] <xubuntu829> I'll check back later for any replies
[16:45] <baizon> xubuntu829: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/install-xfce-xubuntu-on-ubuntu-linux/
[16:53] <xubuntu829> Thanks baizon!
[17:27] <Jedi_Phenix> hi :-(
[18:08] <jack> hello all
[21:42] <Chaser> Hi how do I set a keyboard shortcut to open a new terminal tab. cntrl+shift+t used to work but it stopped working for a while.
[23:29] <meow> Hey, got a quick question if someone is down to solve a minor mystery. :)
[23:29] <knome> !ask
[23:29] <holstein> meow: linux wont fix the hardware. i would test the basics.. memory, and the hard drive
[23:30] <meow> lol sorry y'all, here's the thing: using xubuntu on a dying PC and it keeps "screen of death"-ing if you see what I mean. I suspect it's because the PC's overheating, but I'm wondering if one could find out why the computer keeps shutting down suddenly
[23:30] <meow> aka I'd like an autopsy of my session, if that makes any sense
[23:31] <meow> Holstein: Is there a program built into xubuntu to see those stats by any chance?
[23:33] <holstein> meow: i test those without an operating system running
[23:33] <holstein> meow: the built in memory test.. hard drive tests from live CD's
[23:33] <meow> Interesting
[23:34] <meow> holstein, here's some context: I'm in bed and I'm merely curious as to whether or not aiming my fan at the back of the PC would help it stay alive longer (if not a whole session)
[23:35] <meow> if there's a more complex problem with the PC than just heat (it's also fucking warm today), I'm ready to declare this piece of machinery deceased
[23:35] <holstein> meow: i have no such issues, and you shouldnt either.. you could blow dust out of the PC and "fix" it..
[23:35] <holstein> !language | meow
[23:36] <meow> holstein, anyway there's software to detect the temperature of the CPU/GPU ?
[23:36] <holstein> meow: sure.. but you dont need it, if there is dust in the unit
[23:36] <holstein> meow: have you looked?
[23:36] <meow> Have I looked if there is dust in the hardware?
[23:37] <meow> holstein, shouldn't that be rather difficult if the PC is a laptop?
[23:37] <holstein> meow: they all come apart
[23:38] <knome> more or less..
[23:38] <meow> sheet neega I hadn't even considered opening the poor basterd up. Any way the dust can be removed safely without resorting to surgery?
[23:38] <knome> meow, watch your language, and consider this your last warning
[23:39]  * meow meowwwww
[23:39] <holstein> meow: if you literally buy a can of air and blow it in there, that might help
[23:39] <holstein> meow: try another offtopic channel for general chat
[23:39] <meow> Haha sounds good, thanks for your help holstein !
[23:40] <holstein> meow: you can usually get the straw into one of the holes enough to blow dust out..
[23:41] <knome> or if it's an old laptop and you're ready to even get rid of it, you could just carefully open the screws to get better into it
[23:44] <meow> Hmmm I've been looking around the house for guerilla tools for this mission
[23:44] <meow> And then I got distracted by this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2obH7ugvIsQ
[23:44] <meow> Nice interview knome
[23:44] <knome> thanks - but for general chatter, see #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:45]  * meow meeeoooooowwww


[00:56] <alesage> elopio, I added a line to the automation proposal
[06:27] <pitti> elfy: good to know, thanks!
[06:46] <mgedmin> my periodic attempt to log into iso.qa.ubuntu.com failed again, with the same error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1418383
[14:10] <balloons> mgedmin, :-(
[14:10] <balloons> mgedmin, do you have a launchpad account?
[14:11] <mgedmin> yes
[14:11] <balloons> can you share?
[14:11] <mgedmin> ~mgedmin
[14:11] <mgedmin> I've been able to log in into iso.qa.ubuntu.com in the past
[14:11] <elopio> balloons: how can we get permissions to change the topic?
[14:11] <mgedmin> now it won't accept me back
[14:12] <elopio> balloons: we will try having a vanguard to answer to automation pings, and would like to put his name on the topc.
[14:12] <elopio> *topic
[14:12] <balloons> mgedmin, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/logout, then http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker?destination=qatracker
[14:12] <balloons> elopio, ahh I have permission
[14:13] <balloons> elopio, for permission for you or for a bot or ?
[14:13] <elopio> balloons: for me, rhuddie, brendand, fgimenez and veebers, so we don't have to ping you everytime we change the vanguard.
[14:14] <balloons> elopio, let's hop over to #ubuntu-irc and see if they can help out
[14:14] <brendand> elopio, don't we just have a group name like ubuntu-qa
[14:14] <mgedmin> balloons, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/logout is an "Oops!  The resource you tried to access doesn't exist", after which http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker?destination=qatracker gives me the front page with a Log In button on the left which continues not to work
[14:15] <brendand> elopio, and manage who is vanguard internally
[14:15] <mgedmin> in the manner described in my bug ("The name mgedmin is already taken")
[14:15] <mgedmin> (after a brief foray into Launchpad's SSO)
[14:15] <balloons> mgedmin, bah :-(
[14:15] <mgedmin> my crystal ball says something's messed up in the database with my user account
[14:15] <elopio> brendand: balloons: that works.
[14:16] <elopio> Instead of: For help with autopilot, try #ubuntu-autopilot
[14:16] <elopio> we can use: For help with automation, ping ubuntu-qa.
[14:16] <balloons> mgedmin, hmm.. Can you auth to other sites using ubuntu sso?
[14:17] <mgedmin> sites like bugs.launchpad.net?  yes
[14:17] <mgedmin> let me try again in an incognito window to remove all doubt
[14:17] <balloons> elopio, brendand sure that's simple I can update it now
[14:19] <balloons> mgedmin, ack
[14:19] <mgedmin> wiki.ubuntu.com -> login -> login.ubuntu.com: username, yes returning user here's my pw -> four checkboxes (tz fullname username email) -> looong timeout :/
[14:20] <balloons> mgedmin, so something might be up with you lp account then?
[14:20] <mgedmin> bugs.launchpad.net -> login -> login.launchpad.net: username, yes returning user here's my pw -> two checkboxes (fullname email) -> I'm logged in
[14:20] <balloons> elopio, look good?
[14:20] <mgedmin> and wiki.ubuntu.com _finally_ loaded and I'm logged in
[14:21] <elopio> balloons: without the #
[14:21] <mgedmin> iso.qa.ubuntu.com -> login -> login.ubuntu.com: (skips 1st page, shows the 2nd) two checkboxes (username email) -> iso.qa.ubuntu.com: "account registration failed: the name mgedmin is already taken"
[14:22] <mgedmin> it's as if I somehow have an account with iso.qa.ubuntu.com, but it's not linked to my launchpad openid
[14:22] <elopio> thanks balloons.
[14:22] <balloons> yw
[14:38] <elfy> mgedmin: that sounds to me like maybe you've got more than 1 sso account - see the same from people having issues logging into forum from time to time
[14:38] <elopio> fgimenez: brendand: rhuddie: do you have the ubuntu-qa highlight in your IRC clients?
[14:39] <brendand> elopio, i do
[14:39] <jibel> elopio, that's annoying
[14:39] <rhuddie> elopio, yes i do
[14:39] <elopio> jibel: that will be the vanguard highlight.
[14:39] <mgedmin> elfy, I have only one launchpad account, but I have two email addresses associated with it
[14:39] <jibel> too many notifications kills notifications, if you could choose another highlight
[14:40] <elfy> mgedmin: not talking about LP - but at login.ubuntu.com
[14:40] <balloons> elopio, true.. perhaps including vanguard in the highlight would be better
[14:40] <elopio> jibel: I would prefer for everybody to read when we get automation questions. Anybody from QA can reply, actualy.
[14:41] <mgedmin> elfy, is login.ubuntu.com the same as login.launchpad.net?  I get confused about these
[14:41] <elopio> the vanguard will just make sure that no pings go unanswered.
[14:41] <mgedmin> I signed up for a launchpad.net account years ago, before it even implemented an openid provider AFAICR
[14:41] <davmor2> elopio: I do and you ping me without cause again and I'm gonna hunt you down ;)
[14:41] <mgedmin> I'm guessing my account got migrated to the new sso infrastructure together with the rest
[14:41] <jibel> elopio, many people in the QA team cannot help with automation
[14:41] <elopio> davmor2: just saying hi.
[14:42] <jibel> and they get pinged
[14:42] <davmor2> elopio: you need a projects-team or qa-automation tag
[14:43] <elopio> jibel: I think that's a problem. Everybody from QA should be able to look at the logs at least, and from there know who to ping to get help, at least.
[14:44] <jibel> elopio, yeah, but people are busy with other stuff and cannot just stop everything when they are pinged about something they don't directly work on
[14:45] <elopio> jibel: that applies for everybody in the team, nobody is directly working on answering questions. So we need to share the load.
[14:45] <elopio> I think that this is not only a projects team job. We can be the main point of contact and reply to most of the questions, but I would like all the team to be involved and learn about reading logs and debugging errors.
[14:46] <elopio> but well, your opinion was heard. we'll talk about it on our standup.
[14:51] <elopio> we can change it to qahelp, and encourage everybody to get it as a highlight. But leave it optional.
[14:51] <elopio> I don't like the optional part :)
[14:52] <fgimenez> elopio: didn't have it, already set up
[14:53] <elopio> pitti: I haven't found the autopkgtest file that backs up the directory in /tmp and restores it. Any pointers?
[14:53]  * mgedmin afk
[14:58] <pitti> elopio: how do you mean "file"? that's done by adt-run itself
[14:59] <elopio> pitti: I would like to read the source file that does it.
[14:59] <pitti> elopio: lib/VirtSubproc.py, cmd_reboot()
[14:59] <elopio> thank you.
[15:00] <pitti> elopio: the actual mechanics of rebooting the testbed is left to the virt-runner-* implementation; that's the common code for saving/restoring
[15:00] <elopio> pitti: from your last email, only the reboot target won't work because we also need to reenable ssh.
[15:00] <elopio> unless we reenable ssh on every reboot, even when not needed.
[15:01] <pitti> elopio: yeah, I'm just doing that
[15:01] <pitti> elopio: you can't reenable ssh from the test itself
[15:01] <pitti> as that's running on the testbed, so you need ssh to run it :)
[15:02] <elopio> pitti: ah, of course :)
[15:02] <elopio> that's me uninstalling openssh-server in my remote server all over again.
[15:04] <pitti> elopio: hm, not sure if we ever had a rebooting test on touch
[15:05] <pitti> after reboot, adb is locked again
[15:05] <pitti> and you can't unlock it programmatically
[15:05] <pitti> as it needs unlocking the screen to re-enable adb
[15:05] <pitti> another one of ogra's lockdowns
[15:05] <elopio> pitti: it's working for me.
[15:05] <elopio> I flashed my krillin yesterday with vivid.
[15:05] <pitti> adb fails with "error: closed" right after (re)booting
[15:05] <pitti> you need to unlock the screen once, then it comes online
[15:06] <elopio> pitti: veebers had something similar, and he said: sudo touch /userdata/.adb_onlock
[15:07] <pitti> elopio: oh! that sounds like something which should go into the setup script, too :)
[15:07] <elopio> it hasn't happen to me.
[15:07] <pitti> it does to me, and it's by design; you're sure you dno't have that stamp file?
[15:08] <elopio> pitti: yes, I have it.
[15:08] <elopio> maybe it's added when I flash with developer-mode?
[15:08] <elopio> I did a --wipe yesterday, and didn't add it myself. I'm sure of that.
[15:09] <pitti> yeah, could be
[15:09] <pitti> I can't do that (dual boot)
[15:14] <elopio> barry: what if the dbus Apply script that you had in your mind calls /tmp/autopkgtest-reboot rebooted-mark and we leave the backup, restore, and wait until booted to adt ?
[15:15] <elopio> we could call /sbin/reboot -f recovery through the reboot command file. Or if that part is not critical, we can call adb reboot recovery with the target file.
[15:18] <elopio> ah, I see your last email. I don't fully understand the Applied signal, I thought we just needed to wait for the test to boot.
[15:18] <elopio> but that wait can be added to the test, I see no problem there.
[16:09] <pitti> elopio: the adb script now does /userdata/.adb_onlock, thanks for pointing out!
[16:29] <elopio> thanks to you pitti.
[16:32] <elopio> brendand: meeting
[16:58] <elopio> balloons: I have a meeting now with ci to talk about tests. So I can't attend the core apps one.
[17:00] <balloons> elopio, ack
[18:27] <elopio> jfunk: my main wish for the next MIR sprint is a mir virtual frame buffer.
[18:27] <elopio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1239872
[18:27] <elopio> reported more than a year ago. I really need it now.
[19:11] <jfunk> elopio: ack, let's see what I can do
[19:11] <jfunk> elopio: can you tell me a little bit what that is blocking in terms of test development
[19:24] <elopio> jfunk: all our test suites are slow, so when we run them in the same machine that we are programming, we have to wait until the tests finish. With a vfb, we could run the tests without losing control of the machine.
[19:24] <elopio> when running tests in a virtual test bed, we want to have the minimum requirements installed on that test bed. We don't want a full unity install in there if we don't need it. But in order to test things like trusted sessions and url-dispatcher, we need mir.
[19:24] <elopio> and if we run the tests that don't require mir in a x11 virtual frame buffer, we might miss issues that appear only when using mir.
[19:25] <elopio> jfunk: in this example, I want to test that I can open the messaging app from the dialer app. That needs url dispatcher and url dispatcher needs mir.
[19:26] <elopio> that's another item to add to somebody's backlog: Make url dispatcher work without mir. I'm asking who should do that.
[19:26] <elopio> I think unity apis.
[20:34] <elopio> veebers: do you like the cat empire?
[20:34] <elopio> that's from around the corner from your house.
[20:36] <veebers> elopio: uh, what? :-P I'm not sure what you're talking about sorry
[20:40] <elopio> veebers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiY3xMM4DSk
[20:54] <veebers> elopio: ah a bad, awesome. that statement that it was around the corner of my house confused me :-)
[20:55] <veebers> s/bad/band/
[20:55] <veebers> cool, thanks for the suggestion, I'll hit it up in spotify and give it a listen
[22:08] <wxl> pitti: so playing with systemd. installed systemd-sysv, which removed upstart as it was supposed to. however, upstart-bin is still hanging around and upstart is still being run. is that to be expected?
[22:11] <gQuigs> wxl: upstart's still used for the user session I believe
[22:11] <gQuigs> and I think there was going to be a boot option to revert to upstart
[22:12] <gQuigs> wxl: is it being run as: upstart --user ?
[22:13] <wxl> gQuigs: yep. there are some other upstart processes run, too.
[22:13] <wxl> gQuigs: i pointed that at pitti because i was thinking ahead to his FFe
[22:14] <wxl> gQuigs: others are upstart-event, upstart-dbus-bridge, and upstart-file-bridge
[22:15] <gQuigs> they should all have --user in them though right? and all should be under your user account
[22:15] <wxl> gQuigs: so is upstart going to be used for the user session ad infinitum?
[22:15] <wxl> gQuigs: yeppers. well. not upstart-event-bridge.
[22:16] <wxl> …but i think that makes sense
[22:16] <gQuigs> odd... I don't seem to have upstart-event-bridge
[22:17] <wxl> gQuigs: also a part of upstart-bin
[22:17] <gQuigs> ps -p1 shows systemd right?
[22:17] <wxl> yeppers
[22:18] <gQuigs> wxl: but yea, I think the long term goal is to move the user session too, but there isn't a rush for it (and I'm 90% sure it's out of scope for vivid)
[22:18] <wxl> okie dokie
[22:18] <wxl> thanks a bunch gQuigs :)
[22:18] <gQuigs> sure :)
[22:19]  * gQuigs now why don't I have event-bridge.... hmm
[22:19] <wxl> gQuigs: fwiw this is a fairly old vivid lubuntu that's been updated and then systemd-sysv added
[22:20] <wxl> s/updated/dist-upgraded/
[22:21] <wxl> ymmv with a newer vivid
[22:21] <wxl> i doubt that tho
[22:21] <gQuigs> interesting it's own the blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration)  "
[22:21] <gQuigs> [xnox] port away from events-bridge / :sys:* events usage: DONE"
[22:22] <wxl> and i doubt that being lubuntu would make a difference
[22:22] <gQuigs> it's on
[22:22] <gQuigs> worth testing...
[22:23]  * wxl checks to see if the blueprint covers user sessions
[22:23] <gQuigs> wxl: under see also: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1403-session-init-systemd-migration
[22:24] <wxl> danke gQuigs
[22:39] <barry> o/
[23:00] <veebers> Hi barry o/
[23:00] <veebers> barry: query, are there any good green cards to pick up that won't impede you at all?
[23:02] <barry> veebers: hi.  yep, you could take "script to ensure system-image-dbus is not yet running"
[23:02] <barry> veebers: i'll add some comments to the card
[23:03] <veebers> barry: awesome thanks. I'll pick it up and hit it today :-)


[00:47] <wallyworld> wgrant: a quick one for you https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/translator-licence-checks-531720/+merge/130458
[00:48] <wgrant> Already there :)
[00:49] <wgrant> wallyworld: Does set_translations_relicensing agreement want to invalidate the cache?
[00:49] <wallyworld> wgrant: i think it should
[00:49] <wgrant> Oh
[00:49] <wallyworld> so that next time get is called, it returns the new value
[00:49] <wgrant> I missed the last hunk, nevermind
[00:50] <wgrant> It's a bit sad that we have a property into a method into a cached property into a method
[00:50] <wgrant> But it's the easiest way to do this
[00:50] <wgrant> r=me
[00:50] <wgrant> Thanks
[00:50] <wallyworld> thanks, i didn't want to mess with t too much
[00:57] <wallyworld> wgrant: hwdb - we have plans to remove soon right? if so, we should be able to reduce the priority of the hwdb criticals
[00:58] <wgrant> wallyworld: I demoted the non-ZOP criticals (eg. regressions) a few weeks ago, but by ZOP the timeouts are still critical, though we have decided to ignore them
[00:58] <wallyworld> sure, but if the feature is being removed....
[00:58] <wallyworld> we don't really care
[00:59] <wgrant> Right, but they're still noise
[01:00] <wallyworld> noise in the critical bug listing, yes
[01:00] <wgrant> And in the OOPS reports :)
[01:00] <wallyworld> only till the feature is removed
[01:00] <wgrant> Sure
[01:00] <wgrant> Removing code is the best way of fixing criticals :)
[01:00] <wallyworld> if we aren't going to fix, regardless of oops report noise, it's no using seeing them
[01:01] <wallyworld> when did we say we can remove the code?
[01:01] <wgrant> Probably in about 6 months
[01:04] <wgrant> Anyway, you can demote them if you want
[01:04] <wgrant> There's ~1 timeout and ~2 OOPSes
[01:04] <wallyworld> i will do that i think
[07:11] <adeuring> good mmorning
[08:39] <RoelV> hi!
[08:39] <RoelV> how do I make an existing project part of another project in launchpad?
[10:32] <czajkowski> cjwatson: it feels like we only just compelted the opening of translations for Q!
[10:35] <cjwatson> The wheel keeps on turning
[10:36] <cjwatson> And to be fair it was a bit prolonged last time because it took ages for people to work out what to do, hence me providing some links up-front
[10:36] <czajkowski> it's a slow cog in motion today
[11:41] <shadeslayer> I seem to be getting this error : http://paste.kde.org/574226/ : when polling launchpad every 5 minutes
[11:41] <shadeslayer> script : http://paste.kde.org/574232/
[11:41] <shadeslayer> could someone suggest a polling interval that won't get my ip blocked?
[11:42] <cjwatson> I don't know the reason for the error, but that error doesn't look like a blocked IP to me
[11:43] <cjwatson> Your problem might well simply be that you're trying to use launchpadlib in a threaded program
[11:43] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:44] <cjwatson> Try rewriting it based on an event loop
[11:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, I guess I'll have to do that
[11:58] <jml> how do I get a launchpadlib object given the normal browser URL  for that?
[11:58] <jml> load(), maybe
[12:04] <jml> ah, but the URL needs to be transformed, somehow
 -> api, insert api version as prefix
[12:15] <cjwatson> jml: or just strip the scheme and host off the front
[12:15] <cjwatson> >>> lp.load('/ubuntu/+source/base-files')
[12:15] <jml> cjwatson: oh, that works? neat. thank you.
[12:15] <cjwatson> <distribution_source_package at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+source/base-files>
[13:51] <flacoste> jelmer: thank you very much for all your work over the last 3 years! good luck with your future projects!
[13:56] <nigelb> jelmer's leaving too? :(
[14:01] <cjwatson> hm, I guess I can't land those two branches since we're in testfix mode
[14:02] <rick_h_> abentley: r=me
[14:02] <abentley> rick_h_: You mean abel?
[14:02] <rick_h_> doh, bad tab completion, yea adeuring ^
[14:03] <adeuring> rick_h_: thanks!
[14:04] <cjwatson> adeuring: did you notice your buildbot failure?
[14:04] <adeuring> cjwatson: no, thanks for the heads up!
[14:06] <adeuring> cjwatson: looks like a flaky db connection, we had tehse failures too often... I#ll start a another buildbot run
[14:10] <cjwatson> ok
[14:36] <rick_h_> deryck: ping, got a sec?
[14:36] <deryck> rick_h_, sure, what's up?
[14:36] <rick_h_> deryck: want to chat and bring up another possible card for beta
[14:37] <deryck> rick_h_, sure.  meet you in the standup hangout.
[14:42] <jcsackett> sinzui: available to chat?
[14:42] <sinzui> yes
[15:28] <oalca> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lp-dev-utils/+spec/comments-in-line-on-diffs
[15:28] <oalca> watch this
[15:29] <oalca> its what I believe a good blueprint
[15:31] <jml> *sigh*
[15:32] <czajkowski> oalca: thats a blueprint issue
[15:32] <czajkowski> oalca: it'd be a bug if anything to be developed on , if you like please file a bug .
[15:33] <czajkowski> oalca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/780165  maybe this might be close to what you are looking at ?
[15:33] <_mup_> Bug #780165: commenting on specific lines in a diff using the web UI is tedious <code-review> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/780165 >
[15:35] <oalca> lets see
 lets see
[15:43] <cjwatson> oalca: I've generally found that it's not a good idea to register blueprints on projects you're not a developer on; it makes more sense for developers to decide whether something's big and complex enough to need that level of planning
[15:45] <oalca> ok, im sorry for that, im kind of new on launchpad, I tought bugs where for fails on systems
[15:45] <czajkowski> oalca: no worries have to learn somewhere.
[15:49] <oalca> yesterday I was here, asking about this, but none answered, so I decide to do that
[15:54] <abentley> bac: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/projectgroup-private-projects/+merge/130590 ?
[15:55] <cjwatson> These two buildbot failures are both transient, right?
[15:55] <cjwatson> The devel one certainly has nothing to do with my changes, so I'm retrying it
[15:56] <cjwatson> But the db-devel one looks pretty transient too
[15:59] <abentley> cjwatson: I agree.  Parallel-testing has unfortunately made buildbot a bit more flaky.  Still worth the trade-off, though :-)
[16:00] <jml> *so* glad that happened, btw.
[16:00] <abentley> jml: Yeah, it's great.
[16:01] <cjwatson> OK, forced db-devel too
[16:01] <cjwatson> And I definitely agree on the trade-off
[16:03] <sinzui> jcsackett, I added a comment with out finding: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/403629
[16:03] <_mup_> Bug #403629: Translation message link points to wrong message number <404> <lp-translations> <message-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by jcsackett> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/403629 >
[16:04] <sinzui> ^ I think there is a second case were a POFile translation was accepted, but later changed. the submission remain, but it is not in the pofile
[16:10] <lifeless> schpeeed!
[16:10] <czajkowski> jelmer: good luck and we shall see you soon when you're in my neck of the woods!
[16:10] <czajkowski> lifeless: ohhh hello there :D
[16:14] <bac> sorry abentley, was on a call.  can i look at it after lunch?
[16:14] <abentley> bac: sure.
[16:14] <bac> abentley: ok, will do
[16:14] <abentley> bac: thanks.
[16:35] <abentley> deryck: Just added a card for bug #1068719 to the beta lane.
[16:35] <_mup_> Bug #1068719: Person overview page breaks when assigned proprietary blueprints <oops> <private-projects> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068719 >
[16:37] <deryck> abentley, I saw that.  thanks for adding it.
[16:38] <deryck> abentley, do you think there's more investigation to do for the "blueprint listings related to product" or just drop that now, in favor of these other reported bugs/cards?
[16:40] <abentley> deryck: I think we need to look for other possible issues there.
[16:41] <deryck> abentley, ok, thanks
[17:26] <rick_h_> abentley: ping, got a sec for eyeballs?
[17:27] <rick_h_> abentley: doh nvm...dippy _owner for query :/
[17:36] <rick_h_> sinzui: ping
[17:36] <sinzui> hi rick_h_
[17:36] <rick_h_> sinzui: I'm working on implementing this 'userCanBeDeactived' idea
[17:36] <rick_h_> and I see lots of other examples of userCanXXXXX
[17:37] <rick_h_> but none I can find are in a validator-like context. Where not only do I want a bool, but a textual message reason I can pass back to the UI
[17:37] <rick_h_> sinzui: do you know of a case you can think of? I'm bzr grep'ing and failing.
[17:37] <rick_h_> and I'm not totally cool with having a userCanBeDeactivated returning a tuple of (bool, [list,of,reasons])
[17:37] <rick_h_> since it's a bit against the pattern in place for something named that way
[17:38] <sinzui> rick_h_, lib/lp/registry/browser/peoplemerge.py illustrates what we do now to check for ppas and private branches
[17:38] <rick_h_> looking, thanks
[17:40] <sinzui> rick_h_, I see duplicate in between the validator in that module and PersonSet._merge
[17:40] <sinzui> both are calling the same methods, but they handle them differently
[17:40] <rick_h_> sinzui: yea, that's what I was trying to avoid. I hoped to really make the validator just call Person.userCanBeDeactivated and then that method would return true/false and messages
[17:41] <sinzui> +1
[17:41] <rick_h_> but it seemed against the current pattern, which appears to be true
[17:41] <rick_h_> so wonder if I should just call it something different and move along
[17:51] <sinzui> rick_h_, I think there needs to be complex method that raises an error with an informative message (that can be captured an safely displayed), and a method that captures any error and returns true. I think this is the common practice used by Zope fields to validator or sae if the data is valid
[17:52] <rick_h_> sinzui: ah, ok cool. I'll add that second layer in
[18:04] <abentley> sinzui: I've been thinking that maybe validation methods should yield (not raise) exceptions, so that you can capture all the validation errors.
[18:04] <abentley> sinzui: Then methods that wanted to validate before making a change would simply raise the first exception, if any.
[18:04] <rick_h_> abentley: yea, that'd be cool. I'm capting them into a list currently and then checking that return list.
[18:04] <sinzui> That would solve the awkward validator in peoplemerge.py
[18:08] <abentley> sinzui, rick_h_: Something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1289982/
[18:10] <sinzui> I think we prefer the look-before-you-leap style where canXXX returns early, other methods would collect them to show the user all the reasons
[18:35] <abentley> deryck: chat?
[18:37] <deryck> abentley, sure, give me 5 or 10 minutes to get free.
[18:40] <bac> abentley: your branch looks good.  thanks.
[18:40] <abentley> bac: Thanks for the review.
[18:44] <deryck> abentley, I can chat now.  jumping into stand-up hangout.
[19:17] <rick_h_> bac: got another branch for you if you've got time please? https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/related_projects_1063272/+merge/130414
[19:17] <rick_h_> bac: tried to explain things as they can kind of come across as a bunch of disjoint changes
[19:18] <bac> sure rick_h_
[20:24] <rick_h_> bac: heading afk, if there's anything that comes up pop it in the MP and I'll get back to you.
[20:24] <bac> rick_h_: ok, sorry i got distracted