[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:23] <fenris> @RikMills , kinetic proposed repo conflict with beta repo ?
[14:23] <fenris> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:23] <fenris>   kde-config-screenlocker kinfocenter kscreen kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-settings-desktop
[14:23] <fenris>   kwayland-integration kwin-addons kwin-common kwin-wayland kwin-x11 layer-shell-qt
[14:23] <fenris>   libkscreenlocker5 liblayershellqtinterface5 plasma-desktop plasma-discover-backend-flatpak
[14:23] <fenris>   plasma-discover-backend-snap plasma-integration plasma-widgets-addons plasma-workspace
[14:23] <fenris>   plasma-workspace-wayland sddm-theme-breeze xdg-desktop-portal-kde
 will need rebuilding against the new Qt in proposed
 👌🏻
 I'll get on that later or tomorrow. New Qt in proposed is no landing in release pocket
 I'll get on that later or tomorrow. New Qt in proposed is now landing in release pocket
 ok thanks!
[19:21] <clivejo> does debdelta-upgrade work for ubuntu?
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> @myfenris FYI for snap related stuff you want #snappy since snap is meant to be cross-distro.
 U meant my question on the other channel?
 yeah understood on the cross-distro ..
 im still trying/struggling to add supported fonts for the asian language .. either from the distro package @ manually added font ..


[00:00] <xubuntu100> I have tried to do the sudo command and it keeps telling me to check my internet connection
[00:01] <xubuntu100> please help
[00:02] <secret_ninja> ill try to help.
[00:02] <secret_ninja> have you tried to sudo su and run the command manually?
[00:13] <holstein> xubuntu100: just remember, nothing is preventing netflix from allowing you to run netflix on ubuntu
[00:13] <holstein> there are ways to use it..
[00:13] <holstein> as Unit193 gave you..
[00:13] <holstein> !netflix
[00:14] <xubuntu100> i have tried to sudo command and it tells me to checfk my internet connection
[00:15] <holstein> xubuntu100: its a work around.. it doesnt have to work
[00:16] <Unit193> Did you try checking it from the command line?  dig google.com  ping google.com, etc?
[00:16] <xubuntu100> what do you mean it
[00:16] <holstein> xubuntu100: what do i do? i just have a roku box
[00:16] <holstein> xubuntu100: i also run it on an android device..
[00:17] <holstein> xubuntu100: i would use netflix where they say you can, and its supported.. otherwise, its going to be a work around getting it running on somehting that its not supported on
[00:20] <xubuntu100> i tried yesterday to do it but it was asking for the persons code who installed it my computer he told me to re install on computer and it today its saying in the to check my internet
[00:20] <xubuntu100> on the command
[00:20] <holstein> xubuntu100: again, its not supported, so you'll need to just fiddle with it til it works
[00:21] <xubuntu100> im new to this
[00:21] <holstein> i would just search and see what there is
[00:21] <holstein> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-to-get-netflix-streaming-on-ubuntu-1210/4019
[00:21] <holstein> xubuntu100: i understand, and what you are trying to do is not only not trivial, or easy for a newcomer, but totally unsupported
[00:22] <holstein> xubuntu100: make sure you let netlix know that you would appreciate them supporting the operating system you are using, and try remvoving all your settings and configs, and redo the setup
[00:28] <th3pr0ph3t> ah... Netflix. I use a virtualbox instead of the compholio wine version because I get black screen all the time.
[00:28] <th3pr0ph3t> And I don't reboot on windows because in windows only 2 of the 5.1 speakers have sound :/
[00:29] <th3pr0ph3t> So, it works better on linux even with emulation ;)
[06:54] <croppa> my volume control button has gone missing off the top panel. How can I get it back?
[06:55] <croppa> I am using 13.04
[07:52] <Deepfriedice> croppa, If you're still here:
[07:52] <Deepfriedice> Volume control is provided by the deamon "xfce4-volumed" and shown on the "Indicator Plugin".
[07:52] <Deepfriedice> To add "Indicator Plugin" right click on the top panel > Panel > Panel Preferences > Items. Now check if there is a "Indicator Plugin" If not, click the plus icon, then select "Indicator Plugin" and click add.
[07:52] <Deepfriedice> You can check if "xfce4-volumed" is running in the task manager, To restart it, press alt+F2 then enter "xfce4-volumed" without the quotes and hit run.
[07:55] <croppa> Deepfriedice: Thank you very much. That worked . Somehow I must have deleted the indicator plugin.
[07:56] <Deepfriedice> No problem, sorry for not checking earlier.
[07:56] <croppa> Thats OK You are a great help
[07:58] <croppa> That is one of the many things I like about the Linux community
[07:59] <Deepfriedice> Yeah, It's amazing the stuff people have helped me with.
[08:24] <Xonusil> опа 13 вышла уже а я только только обновился до 12
[08:25] <Xonusil> Всем привет
[08:25] <Xonusil> ;-)
[08:25] <Xonusil> Только стал интересоваться данной ОС
[08:28] <Unit193> !ru
[09:15] <dixoncidre> hello
[09:17] <dixoncidre> I have a question related to ubuntu 13.04 which i can't seem to get it working right on my machine because it fails to install the graphic drivers. Ill create a post for this soon just thought someone may be able to help me on the spot because he might have had the same problem
[09:18] <dixoncidre> i have an old ati radeon x700 pro grafik card.. okay thats very old but i never had any problems with it and windows7 run very smooth with it now
[09:20] <dixoncidre> i have converted to ubuntu 13.04 version but it is sooo lagging and slow it really isn't an enjoyable experience for me really so i checked an there are no graphic driver installed for my grafic card and by browsing this forum I believe this is the reason why Ubuntu is not working correctly. Well I sure went through any thread here about thsi problem and the wiki and tried really anything to get it to work manuall installation
[09:20] <dixoncidre> hat the amd homepage (linux version) fails to install because 'its not compatible' ??
[09:21] <Deepfriedice> Yeah, Old ATI graphics cards are basicaly a "no-go" on Linux.
[09:22] <dixoncidre> the repositories install well it downloads and installs the drivers but.. when i try to set the xorg.conf file (which was non existant to begin with) it says there are no suitebal adapters to be found
[09:22] <Deepfriedice> yeah.
[09:22] <dixoncidre> and when i reebot well i can login normally but all i get is a blank screen
[09:22] <dixoncidre> ouch.. is that so ?
[09:23] <dixoncidre> dammit
[09:23] <Deepfriedice> If you make a post on the fourum someone might be able to help you to some degree, but I would have high expectations.
[09:23] <dixoncidre> i dont want to be stuck with windows
[09:23] <Deepfriedice> Sorry.
[09:23] <dixoncidre> ahww okay thank you deepfrieedice
[09:23] <dixoncidre> just out of curiosity why is it that the 12.04 installation wont even load ?
[09:24] <dixoncidre> ohh and maybe i have a grapics chip on my mainboard.. it's nvidia you think i might have more succes trying that one ?
[09:24] <Deepfriedice> Yes, that sounds better. But first look at this, it sounds a bit more hopeful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti
[09:25] <dixoncidre> ive already been to that site
[09:25] <dixoncidre> if X server does not start with driver "Ati" (first boot) change it to "vesa" and then follow the instructions on BinaryDriverHowto. On some manufacturer's cards (I think Abit, a red card) openGL doesn't work, gdb says crash happens in the driver.
[09:26] <dixoncidre> well my card is red.. soo still how to i change it to vesa ?
[09:26] <dixoncidre> plus i followed the tutorial on binarydriverhowto
[09:26] <dixoncidre> didnt work but maybe because i didnt change it to vesa first *fingerscrossed* ?
[09:27] <Deepfriedice> I have no idea. Sorry that I can't help more.
[09:28] <dixoncidre> no no dont worry you already helped me out more than i could actually hope for thank you so much !!
[09:29] <dixoncidre> you really gave me new perspective on how it might work if i switch to my crappy nvidea chip :P
[09:30] <dixoncidre> just for the future if i were to get a new system.. which grafic card works better with linux because i actually like ATI
[09:37] <Deepfriedice> New AMD("ATI") is fine, but Nvidia is a better bet under Linux.
[09:38] <Deepfriedice> Intel Graphics will work flawlessly though.
[14:10] <xubuntu123> hello, i write from italy, can j install xubuntu 13.04 on computer pentium4 with 256 MByte RAM + vga radeon 9000. thanks for the respons
[14:16] <knome> xubuntu123, that's a bit too little ram. i would suggest looking at other options, starting from lubuntu
[14:20] <xubuntu123> thanks, i am starting form lubuntu. bye
[15:43] <neorosbob> HI all, I'm stuck with a static route issue on a bonded interface. Can anyone see what I am missing here? http://pastebin.com/EZJtWwtY
[15:59] <secret_ninja> #mir
[16:03] <neorosbob> HI all, I'm stuck with a static route issue on a bonded interface. Can anyone see what I am missing here? http://pastebin.com/EZJtWwtY
[16:05] <holstein> neorosbob: i would seek help in other potentially more busy/helpful venues.. that issue is not xubuntu specific
[16:10] <secret_ninja> neorosbob: whats the problem?
[16:10] <secret_ninja> lemme look
[16:10] <secret_ninja> just saw link
[16:14] <secret_ninja> way past me
[16:18] <holstein> its more a question for a server channel.. #ubuntu-server, though its slow in there.. its not something typical for a desktop operating system.. its not XFCE or xubuntu specific
[16:23] <timbermaniac> secret_ninja: I'm going to ask a dumb question, but in the first configuration, you're not able to reach .82 or .83?
[16:24] <timbermaniac> I mean neorosbob
[17:02] <luk01> I managed to boot Xubuntu 12.10 from a btrfs-converted ext4 root filesystem, I can give you info, if you wish.
[17:02] <holstein> luk01: who info on what?
[17:02] <luk01> I thought if anyone wants to do the same, I can help.
[17:30] <bekks> luk01: Then submit your knowledge in a wiki article please :)
[17:40] <luk01> bekks: I'd like to add a section in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs but at the top I see that I cannot edit the page
[17:40] <luk01> thanks for the idea though
[17:40] <luk01> I'll definitely apply it to other things that I learn
[17:41] <holstein> luk01: do you see "login to edit"? or are you having login issues?
[17:41] <luk01> I just registered and logged in
[17:43] <holstein> luk01: do you see "edit" when logged in? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation ?
[17:45] <luk01> I see "Pagina non alterabile" which means "Non-alterable page"
[17:46] <luk01> Next to it, I see Page History and Allegati (attachments)
[17:46] <holstein> luk01: you can read here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide ..or ask upstream, or ask someone else to edit it.. i can edit it
[17:58] <luk01> Ok, I am writing
[18:07] <bekks> luk01: you could create another article.
[18:26] <luk01> holstein: would you be so kind to edit it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5723753/ Thanks!
[18:26] <luk01> bekks: I'm not allowed to create a page
[18:27] <bekks> luk01: You can create one in the community area I guess :)
[18:28] <luk01> No, it says "Non è consentito modificare questa pagina." which means that
[18:32] <holstein> luk01: where do you want that to go?
[18:32] <holstein> luk01: under "managing" ?
[18:32] <holstein> what is it called?
[18:33] <holstein> converting to btrfs from ext4 ?
[18:33] <luk01> in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs in a new section called Converting Ubuntu 12.10 ext4 root filesystem
[18:33] <luk01> I haven't tested it on other versions
[18:34] <holstein> luk01: what do you want me to add? where?
[18:34] <holstein> luk01: i'll do it, but you must understand, i know only what i know about btrfs.. which is, it hasnt worked for me in testing, so i dont use it
[18:35] <holstein> luk01: try and give me specifics about where you want it to be
[18:35] <holstein> and what you want it to be called
[18:35] <holstein> i'll call it "Converting Ubuntu 12.10 ext4 root filesystem"
[18:35] <holstein> and put it under? a new heading?
[18:35] <luk01> Sure, I understand it.
[18:36] <luk01> Under a new heading, between current points 4 and 5
[18:36] <luk01> It would be new point 5
[18:37] <luk01> at the same level as "Install as Root on earlier versions" and "Managing Btrfs"
[18:44] <holstein> luk01: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs
[18:45] <holstein> luk01: we go to #ot channel to discuss, if necessary
[18:48] <luk01> holstein: thank you! Yes, please join #ot
[18:51] <luk01> I'll ask here: please, make consecutive lines appear as separate lines
[18:51] <luk01> for example, "# # Check the filesystem for errors. # fsck.ext4 /dev/sda1" this is made up of 2 lines in the original, please separate them
[18:51] <luk01> thanks
[18:52] <luk01> I do not know the wiki markup syntax, so I thought a single newline would have been sufficient
[18:52] <luk01> :p
[18:55] <luk01> holstein: ^^
[18:59] <holstein> luk01: sure.. but, now im looking at commands, and determing what is what.. and i dont know *anything* about btrfs
[19:00] <holstein> so, i'll just edit it. and you /join #xubuntu-offtopic ..not #ot
[19:00] <luk01> holstein: I do, feel free to ask me everything
[19:46] <_Dirk_> anyone home?
[19:47] <knome> !anyone | _Dirk_
[19:47] <_Dirk_> lol
[19:48] <_Dirk_> ok so i just put xubuntu on my machine thru ubuntu via the terminal tasksel... and everything worked fine... now i'm trying to install the auido editing suite and it's giving me xserver-xorg					install tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[19:51] <_Dirk_> can i run sudo apt-get Audio recording and editing suite
[19:52] <_Dirk_> instead?
[19:53] <_Dirk_> this room is a graveyard
[19:53] <knome> !patience | _Dirk_
[19:53] <holstein> _Dirk_: there is no application by that name
[19:54] <_Dirk_> are you both bots?
[19:54] <holstein> _Dirk_: there are ubuntutsudio meta packages.. open a package manager and search for ubuntustudio, or search for just the applications you want
[19:54] <holstein> _Dirk_: sudo apt-get install audacity for exmaple
[19:54] <knome> _Dirk_, guess.
[19:54] <holstein> !volunteers | _Dirk_
[19:56] <_Dirk_> id ask in #ubuntu where ive been getting quick reliable responses but, i know someone will just say "xubuntu isnt the platform for this room go to the #Xubuntu rooms"
[19:56] <holstein> _Dirk_: what are you searching for?
[19:56] <holstein> _Dirk_: here is a quick and reliable answer from a volunteer who is a member of the ubuntustudio team
[19:57] <_Dirk_> well i'm not being rude, sorry if i'm coming accrosed that way;.... i'm just hyper today
[19:57] <holstein> _Dirk_: search for "ubuntustudio" in a package manager, and read carefully the information about the meta packages
[19:57] <holstein> _Dirk_: what are you looking for?
[19:58] <holstein> _Dirk_: as an audio professional using linux, and a member of the ubuntustudio team, i suggest insatlling audacity and starting there
[19:59] <holstein> most of the applications in the larger ubuntustudio metapackges use and require JACK audio.. and JACK is not trivial to setup.. nor necessary for most casual audio tasks
[19:59] <_Dirk_> im want to try this audio suite that ubuntu offers... i don't really like audacity but if it comes down to it i'll just find something on the software center. i just want to explore this audio suite distro
[19:59] <holstein> _Dirk_: to specifically answer your question .. the command "sudo apt-get Audio recording and editing suite" is not a command.. its a mistake.. it will not do anything
[20:00] <holstein> _Dirk_: you can use the ubuntustudio live CD and explore all you want.. otherwise, eleborate as to what you want/need, or search for "ubuntustudio" in a package manager and decide for yourself..
[20:02] <holstein> i suggest using the live CD to see what JACK is like, and if you want/need it.. or all the applications in the suite of audio applications
[20:02] <_Dirk_> i was going to try the dynebolic-3.0.0- distro does anyone anything about it?
[20:03] <holstein> _Dirk_: i have used it.. its ot in this channel.. its out of date.. the software in ubuntustudio live will be quite similar, just up to date version of it
[20:03] <knome> _Dirk_, this isn't really the channel to ask about that.
[20:03] <holstein> versions*
[20:04] <holstein> also, if has the JACK requirement.. which again, you likely dont need..
[20:05] <_Dirk_> well i put xubuntu on my machine because video is lagging in ubuntu so i was hopeing that a lighter distro would solve that problem, but unfortanatly it hasn't... my pci video card stopped working and my the video card on the motherboard is super old
[20:06] <holstein> !nomodeset | _Dirk_
[20:06] <_Dirk_> what exactly is jack. and what are the system requirements?
[20:06] <holstein> or, force the vesa driver.. might be a nice option..
[20:07] <holstein> _Dirk_: supported hardware.. bascially is the requirement
[20:07] <holstein> !info jack
[20:07] <holstein> hmmm. thats not it
[20:07] <holstein> !proaudio
[20:08] <_Dirk_> what is vesa driver?
[20:08] <holstein> _Dirk_: a driver that would be more approprieat for the hardware you mentioned above that you are having trouble with.. the older grahpics card
[20:09] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/63264/unsupported-video-chipset-how-do-i-force-low-graphics-mode
[20:09] <_Dirk_> should i google it or can i get it thru terminal, or ?
[20:09] <holstein> _Dirk_: you have it.. its a matter of configuring... and the link above is an option.. or the one above that
[20:12] <_Dirk_> ok well i opened all those links in different tabs..... so i'll come back after i read up on this stuff
[20:12] <_Dirk_> by the way, thanx for the help guys
[21:19] <xubuntu444> Hello!
[21:19] <xubuntu444> I need help!
[21:20] <th0r> xubuntu444: let me get out my crystal ball and solve that for you
[21:20] <xubuntu444> My xubuntu has problem about screen position (ATI RADEON 9550) after dual boot. How can i resolve that?
[21:21] <xubuntu444> Driver are "OPEN" type
[21:26] <xubuntu444> ...
[23:48] <taza> Ugh. Looks like my computer isn't supported by anything.
[23:48] <taza> It uses a Pentium M
[23:49] <Noskcaj> taza, ask on lubuntu, i think they have fake-PAE now
[23:49] <taza> Ugh, I'll ask on #debian
[23:50] <taza> This is a problem I don't want to fight with.
[23:54] <secret_ninja> anybody know the mir dev channel name?
[23:55] <xubuntu273> Hello everyone! Could any of you help me boot directly to my desktop in Xubuntu?
[23:55] <Noskcaj> secret_ninja, ask on #ubuntu-devel
[23:56] <Noskcaj> xubuntu273, not quite sure what you mean
[23:56] <xubuntu273> I'm looking to use this system as a headless server and use TeamViewer to access and control it remotely, so I need to skip the login prompt on startup and autostart TeamViewer.
[23:57] <Noskcaj> xubuntu273, http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ should work, look at question 7
[23:58] <xubuntu273> Awesome, thanks so much!


[10:42] <Ocean_> hi, i am using ubuntu 14.04 LTS with gnome 3.12 installed via ppa. Since i installed gnome 3.12 the shortcuts on keyboard has stopped working. i badly needs the prt sc working back again. any help will be much appreciated. thanks
[11:37] <Ocean_> hi, i am using ubuntu 14.04 LTS with gnome 3.12 installed via ppa. Since i installed gnome 3.12 the shortcuts on keyboard has stopped working. i badly needs the prt sc working back again. any help will be much appreciated. thanks
[14:58] <Forage> good afternoon
[14:59] <Forage> I just updated from 14.04 to 14.10, but I only get a black screen at the point the login screen should appear
[15:00] <Forage> a gdm reconfigure gave me nothing, neither does the Xorg.0.log
[15:01] <Forage> I also rebuild and reinstalled the AMD display drivers command line
[15:02] <Forage> I'm a bit lost with no errors being presented
[15:03] <Forage> (IRC on my phone, so it's a bit unpractical)
[15:03] <Forage> what could be the problem?
[15:41] <Forage> "solved" it
[15:41] <Forage> it's still fglrx messing things up
[15:42] <Forage> installing fglrx from the repos instead of from AMD's website got me a running system again
[15:46]  * Forage gonna catch it again to install GNOME 3.14
[16:08] <Forage> GNOME 3.14 installed nicely, great
[16:09] <Forage> two things I noticed: min and max window buttons are back by default? :-S Why bother? I disabled them again with the tweak tool
[16:10] <Forage> Fonts and messed on in different area's like notifications and "top toolbar" menu's
[16:10] <Forage> s/and messed on/are messed up
[16:14] <Forage> http://s13.postimg.org/9b26hh7fb/Screenshot_from_2014_11_09_17_13_15.png
[16:14] <Forage> any idea what's causing this?


[13:02] <czajkowski> hows folks
[13:06] <zmoylan> welcome to the injury channel :-)
[13:06] <czajkowski> what have you don?
[13:06] <czajkowski> done
[13:06] <zmoylan> out the door, to the left, one walking stick each :-)
[13:07] <zmoylan> i read airurando's entries yesterday, wow what a horrible injury.
[13:07] <zmoylan> between your back, my hip and insomnia and airurando's leg...
[13:07] <czajkowski> ah ths is true
[13:07] <czajkowski> we're a bit broken alright
[13:07] <czajkowski> did you join the phone list
[13:08] <zmoylan> we do have a leg to stand on but only if we organise well :-D
[13:08] <czajkowski> LOL
[13:08] <czajkowski> as long as you dont tip off us and there is no snow
[13:08] <czajkowski> we'll be fine
[13:08] <zmoylan> i did.  some interesting enteries.  will read for a week to see the lie of the land
[13:09] <zmoylan> snow is not too bad. i can put socks over shoes for good grip. you look like a muppet, but a vertical non slipping muppet
[13:09] <zmoylan> wet ground though can be treacherous on crutches as they slip on damp mossy footpaths
[13:10] <czajkowski> smart muppet it would seem
[13:10] <zmoylan> you'd be amazed the silly things people do not to /look/ silly


[13:46] <balloons> I saw elfy :-)
[14:00] <elfy> you saw a wild elfy ? hard luck there :p
[14:37] <dkessel> i heard elfy 's live in Iceland
[14:39] <slickymasterWork> nah dkessel, elfy needs the woods
[16:15] <balloons> elfy, is xubuntu invovled in beta 1?
[16:16] <knome> balloons, yes
[16:16] <balloons> ty ty
[16:22] <elfy> balloons: will be if we get an image to build :)
[16:22] <balloons> I sent out the call to the list, I just didn't want to put foot in mouth saying xubuntu was in
[16:22] <elfy> :)
[16:23] <elfy> thanks balloons
[16:34] <elopio> ping ubuntu-qa: there's a small review to do here: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix1361750-textfield_logs/+merge/232262
[16:34] <om26er> elopio, I'll do
[16:34] <elopio> om26er: thanks man.
[19:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[19:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, I installed Ubuntu phone 1409 RTM in Italian, but not everything is translated in Italian
[19:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, I first saw that Italian was translated 100% and now 95%
[19:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, the stats I don't think show everything well.. plus some parts may be missing from some apps that aren't being show in the stats
[19:31] <balloons> the point is, you have to install it and see what's missing :-)
[19:31] <knome> ..and there can very well be cached stuff and new strings.
[19:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah ok, that 100% made me think of a bug :P
[19:36] <balloons> methinks knome might know more about this than he is letting on
[19:39] <knome> of course. :)


 Otherwise I'll probably get to packaging/uploading tonight (after the beta freeze)
[10:13] <bluesabre> gotta run again, bbl
[10:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: hi and bye :)
[11:20] <ochosi> hmpf, the spinner in evince suddenly looks odd (e.g. when rendering a large pdf with pictures, in the top right corner)
[11:20] <ochosi> can you folks confirm that?
[12:47] <jjfrv8> ochosi, like this? http://i.imgur.com/wS81VWc.png
[12:48] <jjfrv8> the toolbar icon spacing doesn't look right, either, in an unmaximized window, neh?
[13:31] <ochosi> jjfrv8: pretty much, but it looked even more chopped up for me (spinner and "loading..." label not connected)
[14:22] <jjfrv8> ochosi, yeah, the spinner and "loading" look more disconnected and even different sizes on my desktop monitor. I had to take the screenie on my small laptop screen because it loaded slowly enough there to capture.
[14:32] <ochosi> i'll see whether i'll have time to look into that / fix that
[14:35] <flexiondotorg> elfy, When you install a current Xubuntu daily, do you get prompted to remove the install media on restart?
[14:54] <ali1234> flexiondotorg: was broken for a while, but it should be fixed again now
[15:07] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Have you tested Xubuntu daily for today? Not fixed in Ubuntu MATE 😞
[15:16] <ali1234> no
[15:30] <elfy> flexiondotorg: not checked today
[15:57] <elfy> flexiondotorg: nope - failed that
[15:57] <flexiondotorg> elfy, OK, so not just me then.
[15:58] <elfy> nope
[15:58] <elfy> that's the sort of thing I'd expect to be more or less global
[15:59] <elfy> bug 1432285
[16:06] <elfy> o/ PaulW2U
[16:08] <PaulW2U> hi elfy
[16:11] <pleia2> elfy: to help me out social media-wise, when you reply to the Beta email, can you quote the entire email and just put the links to the isos at the bottom of the email? then I can share that 2nd email and people have full context
[16:13] <elfy> pleia2: edit the quote?
[16:14] <pleia2> not sure what you mean
[16:14] <pleia2> but for B1 there was: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-February/010658.html & https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-February/010659.html
[16:14] <pleia2> if the second could have included the text from the first, it would have been nice :)
[16:14] <pleia2> *all* the text, because it's hard to share them both with limited characters + space for URLs
[16:14] <elfy> aah right ok - I'll not snip
[16:14] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:15] <ochosi> pleia2: btw, i washed the t-shirt yesterday, it'll be dry tonight when i get home then i'll give you my final verdict :)
[16:15] <pleia2> ochosi: thanks!
[16:15] <elfy> would it make it easier if I just replied AND edited the quoted reply to include?
[16:16] <elfy> ochosi: did you tumble dry it ...
[16:16] <pleia2> elfy: just bottom posting the links under everything else is fine
[16:16] <elfy> pleia2: okey doke
[16:19] <ochosi> elfy: nope, but it's sunny and sorta warm here already
[16:19] <elfy> it'll not have shrunk then :D
[16:23] <ochosi> it wasn't wide, just long
[17:39] <Unit193> https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gmusicbrowser/news/20150323T171841Z.html
[17:40] <elfy> Unit193: did anyone tell you that ochosi isn't setting the next meeting - but you are?
[17:40] <elfy> If not - consider that as someone doing it :p
[17:40] <Unit193> Uhhh.    That way it's just me and elfy! :D
[17:41] <elfy> LMAO
[17:42] <ochosi> hehe
[17:42] <ochosi> well played
[17:42] <ochosi> bbl
[17:47] <Unit193> Any preferences as to day and time?
[17:56] <elfy> well - as far as I'm usually concerned Friday's couldn't care time
[17:56] <elfy> and later suits me otherwise
[17:56] <elfy> that said - depends on who's running it, which was one of the reason for doing it
[17:57] <elfy> and logically if it's in a bit of the cycle when particular people would usefully be there
[19:06] <Noskcaj> Do we want to fit the last few 4.12 updates in for vivid?
[19:09] <Unit193> Looks like just xfce4-session and xfdesktop4.
[19:09] <Noskcaj> and xfpm 1.4.4
[19:11] <Unit193> Since that brings back a tray icon, wouldn't that be a UIF?
[19:14] <Noskcaj> maybe
[19:14] <Noskcaj> And are we going to merge gmusicbrowser or stay with 1.1.13?
[19:17] <elfy> we're moving to winamp Noskcaj
[19:17] <elfy> :p
[19:18]  * Noskcaj got really scared for .01 seconds
[19:18] <elfy> :)
[19:18] <micahg> vlc FTW?
[19:18] <elfy> micahg: nope - vlc fails badly for me
[19:19] <elfy> not in a it doesn't work way ~I add ;)
[19:22] <fedorafan> oh
[19:22] <micahg> well, freeze in about 98 minutes, so not much to do before beta 2
[19:22] <elfy> micahg: indeed
[19:26] <Noskcaj> micahg, If i package the last 2 4.12 parts, will you have time to upload?
[19:26] <micahg> before the freeze, no
[19:27] <micahg> after beta 2, certainly
[19:28] <micahg> unless there's a specific need to have the pieces in beta 2
[19:30] <micahg> gmusicbrowser would be interesting if it indeed fixed that crash bug, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[19:35] <Unit193> Why merge?  It's in Debian, just sync.
[19:42] <micahg> needs FFe
[19:42] <micahg> and possible UIFe
[19:42] <Unit193> Right, I meant sync vs merge.
[19:42] <micahg> right, would be a sync
[19:48] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I didn't look at the ubuntu changelog, i just saw ubuntu1
[20:01] <ochosi> micahg: gmb doesn't need a UIFe, the layout/UI is still the same
[21:34] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[21:34] <bluesabre> micahg: glad to see you around more and more :)
[21:40] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:40] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[21:40] <bluesabre> hey Unit193, elfy
[21:40] <bluesabre> how are things?
[21:40] <elfy> just winding down now
[21:40] <bluesabre> :)
[21:43] <elfy> twiddling thumbs waiting for b2, I've not had a really good dose of omg since b1
[21:46] <bluesabre> :D
[21:46] <bluesabre>  need some broken uploads to brighten your day?
[21:48] <elfy> you go for your life - I'm off shortly :D
[21:49] <elfy> so I'd not notice till tomorrow afternoon :)
[21:50] <bluesabre> heh
[21:51] <elfy> I have to say, I'll be glad to see wibbly wobbly whinocewos - this cycle seems to have been mostly a round of 'it's not booting guys ... '
[21:52] <bluesabre> :)
[21:53] <bluesabre> not "wascally wabbit"?
[21:53] <elfy> not without a gun ... :D
[21:54] <Unit193> Wombat.
[21:57] <bluesabre> whimsical wombat?
[21:57] <ObrienDave> bluesabre, +1
[22:01] <elfy> anyway - yawns overtaking the notyawns - night all
[22:12] <bluesabre> night elfy
[23:36] <micahg> bluesabre: nice to be able to spend a little time on Ubuntu
[23:37] <Unit193> I will echo what bluesabre said, btw.
[23:38] <knome> micahg++


[01:40] <sappheiros> are the steps for burning CD identical as those for DVD? https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html?highlight=iso
[01:40] <sappheiros> ... is a CD-RW not big enough for lubuntu 18.04.2?
[01:41] <sappheiros> ugh
[01:41] <sappheiros> i'm so dumb
[01:41] <sappheiros> of course not
[01:41] <sappheiros> CD-RW is 700 MB; need 2 GB ... nevermind
[01:45] <sappheiros> would you please link to backup instructions at https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html?highlight=backup ?
[01:46] <sappheiros> erm ... if there is a one-click-backup for all files and settings
[01:46] <sappheiros> like Apple's Time Machine or Microsoft's Backup feature ...
[01:46] <sappheiros> i guess there isn't one?
[01:46] <sappheiros> it doesn't seem listed under System Tools, where i'd expect to find it https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/System_Tools_and_Preferences.html
[01:47]  * sappheiros searches http://askubuntu.com/
[01:47] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/209512/lubuntu-and-backup-software is six years old, so i suppose it no longer applies
[03:07] <wxl> sappheiros: there's no one backup solution. we don't include one by default. might not be a bad idea. go try some things and see what you like :)
[03:08] <wxl> maybe kbackup?
[03:09] <wxl> or luckybackup
[03:33] <sappheiros> wxl: i was manually copying files ... ... am i stupid or just getting old?
[03:33] <sappheiros> nah, probably just tired and focusing my attention on other things
[03:34] <wxl> sappheiros: it can work, but it's kind of rudimentary. you might want to at least use rsync
[03:35] <sappheiros> lol thanks ... looks like rsync does automatically exactly what i was doing visually
[03:35] <sappheiros> *manually
[03:36] <sappheiros> wxl: do you learn these commands just by using linux over many years?
[03:36] <sappheiros> or should i do more searching and more webpage reading?
[03:37] <sappheiros> i dislike searching and reading search results because it seems like digging for gold
[03:37] <wxl> ever heard of `apropos`?
[03:38] <sappheiros> um ... as an adjective ...
[03:38] <sappheiros> oh.
[03:38] <sappheiros> i think someone in #ubuntu told me about it once.
[03:38] <sappheiros> isn't it a search keyword to find command feature?
[03:38] <wxl> woudln't work in this case, but it often helps
[03:38] <wxl> then you can use `man` to figure out how to use it
[03:38] <wxl> you can also search ubuntu packages with `apt-cache search`
[03:39] <sappheiros> apropos sync does list rsync
[03:39] <wxl> yeah but not backup
[03:40] <sappheiros> oh. you are saying backup is more sophisticated than syncing files to an external hard drive because it can be read from and restoring data faster than copying files?
[03:41] <sappheiros> oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper?
[03:41] <wxl> well ultimately you want something that automates it for you
[03:41] <sappheiros> my concern though is if it backs up settings, trying to restore settings to 18.04 (from 18.10) might "break the system", i mean cause problems
[03:41] <wxl> it's helpful to have something that only gives you delta backups, too
[03:42] <sappheiros> delta backup = only incremental changes are recorded like apple's Time Machine?
[03:42] <wxl> yeah
[03:42] <sappheiros> but is a backup appropriate if switching from 18.10 to 18.04?
[03:42] <wxl> backup at all times :)
[03:42] <sappheiros> i mean, rather than copying documents and moving only documents over
[03:42] <wxl> but why would you downgrade????
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper?], You can use Timeshift. It can backup user files.
[03:43] <sappheiros> because i found 18.10 will not receive security patches after July 2019, but 18.04 will continue receiving security patches until April 2021
[03:43] <sappheiros> is that not true?
[03:43] <wxl> yes but lxde is a dead end
[03:43] <sappheiros> but so is this 32-bit computer, and i don't have the money yet to buy a new one
[03:43] <sappheiros> and i might not have the money until after March 2020
[03:44] <sappheiros> *march 2021
[03:44] <wxl> meh
[03:44] <wxl> the whole i386 thing is a litte uncertain
[03:45] <sappheiros> should i try to install 19.04 on it?
[03:45] <sappheiros> i thought it was 64-bit
 It is 64 bit only.
[03:45] <wxl> the installer is
[03:46] <wxl> but packages are available
[03:46] <wxl> 32 bit packages in 19.10+ are a bit uncertain
[03:47] <sappheiros> i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and The_LoudSpeaker said but it couldn't find the package
[03:51] <wxl> it's only in a ppa https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift#ubuntu-based-distributions
[03:51] <sappheiros> wxl: that explains why it wasn't in muon package manager i guess
[03:52] <sappheiros> someone on a forum -- and i think #ubuntu -- says ppa is "at your own risk", isn't it?
[03:52] <sappheiros> as a beginner, shouldn't i stick to official packages?
[03:52] <wxl> in *general* i would say yes
[03:52] <wxl> in this case, it seems the developer is providing it, so i would say the risk is relatively small
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and …], You have to add Timeshift ppa.
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 @toly [<toly> А Я ЛУБУНТУ], ...
 the lubuntu 19.04 here is running 3 days... now i lost icon network manager on the task bar, what's the command to open the icon again?
[12:32] <apt-ghetto> Try `nm-tray &`
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Try `nm-tray &`], alt+F2 then … nm-tray
[13:27] <apt-ghetto> Check also your session settings
[13:27] <apt-ghetto> In the Autostart section, you should enable nm-tray
[15:54] <Guest34932> ok
[16:36] <sappheiros> how do i change keyboard layout in trial USB boot up? it isn't in mouse and keyboard
[16:36] <sappheiros> lubuntu 18.04.2
[16:38] <apt-ghetto> You can open a terminal and execute for example `setxkbmap it` for the italian keyboard layout
[16:39] <sappheiros> apt-ghetto: i was hoping for a GUI so i could be sure to set the correct keyboard
[16:40] <apt-ghetto> Maybe there is a GUI solution
[16:40] <sappheiros> i don't see a way to search to find the English dvorak layout name.
[16:42] <apt-ghetto> Should be `setxkbmap us dvorak`
[16:43] <apt-ghetto> But now I have to reboot because I can't write correctly :)
[16:44] <sappheiros> thanks...
[16:44] <apt-ghetto> With `man 7 xkeyboard-config` you can check the possible values
[16:45] <sappheiros> how did you learnt hat?
[16:46] <sappheiros> is 7 a command/
[16:46] <sappheiros> ?
[16:46] <sappheiros> well, thanks for showing me how to change the keyboard layout ... that did indeed work.
[16:47] <apt-ghetto> 7 is the section where the manpage is
[16:47] <sappheiros> hm ...
[19:26] <sappheiros> LXTerminal doesn't look as it did when using the live USB 18.04.2. why do you suppose?
[19:29] <wxl> cuz something changed?
[19:30]  * wxl ducks
[19:30]  * sappheiros throws terminal's corrupted text at wxl
[19:31] <sappheiros> i'm using weechat now, but the font looks ... well, broken after chnaging it in preferences
[19:31] <sappheiros> only thought is to try restarting terminal.
[19:32] <wxl> oh the font huh hm
[19:32] <wxl> under preferences what's your terminal font?
[19:33] <sappheiros> i just changed it to Ubuntu Mono Bold 10 which displays properly. many of the other fonts don't.
[19:34] <wxl> which one doesn't?
[19:34] <sappheiros> okay, let me find one ...
[19:34] <sappheiros> for example ...
[19:34] <sappheiros> Sans Regular
[19:34] <sappheiros> ugh, and now Ubuntu Regular is broken too
[19:35] <wxl> what defines "broken?"
[19:35] <sappheiros> Ubuntu Mono Regular is okay.
[19:35] <sappheiros> barely legible, letters all scrunched together or else oddly spaced
[19:35] <sappheiros> it seems only 'mono' type fonts work in LXTerminal.
[19:35] <wxl> well i mean they're kind of the only ones that make sense
[19:36] <sappheiros> why is that? because terminal is monospace by design?
[19:36] <wxl> you tried non-monospace in live?
[19:36] <sappheiros> can noblenote data be imported into xpad?
[19:36] <lynorian> sappheiros: never tried that
[19:37] <sappheiros> no, but the default was much better looking than the default after installation
[19:37] <sappheiros> hence i tried changing the font
[19:37] <sappheiros> hence discovering the problem with non-monospaced fonts
[19:37] <sappheiros> so there is something odd about terminal display in live USB vs actual install
[19:37] <sappheiros> i mean, some discrepancy
[19:37] <wxl> many command line utilities are predicated on the notion of regular alignment of text inherient in monospace fonts
[19:37] <sappheiros> what font d'you use?
[19:37] <wxl> i have never noticed that personally
[19:37] <wxl> well
[19:38] <wxl> don't ask me, cuz i don't even use lxterminal :)
[19:38] <sappheiros> don't be a hater T_T
[19:38] <sappheiros> 32-bit 4 lyfe
[19:38] <lynorian> yep monospace works best in temrinals
[19:38]  * sappheiros goes to get 32-bit tattood on his ... secret location ...
[19:38] <wxl> that said i appear to be on Noto Mono
[19:39] <wxl> which i guess i've  been lazy about changing
[19:39] <sappheiros> i have only noto mono CJK stuff installed. are you using an asian install or regional format?
[19:39] <wxl> no
[19:39]  * sappheiros recently installed japanese language support
[19:39] <sappheiros> yours isn't CJK?
[19:40] <wxl> i mean it is by default
[19:42] <sappheiros> wxl is astoundingly good at giving noncomittal or answers that confuse me ...
[19:43] <wxl> i was not non-commital
[19:43] <wxl> noto is CJK by default
[19:43] <sappheiros> i mean your response there doesn't really say whether yours says 'CJK' or not in the font selection name space
[19:43] <sappheiros> you're like "could be"
[19:43] <sappheiros> "could've been"
[19:43] <sappheiros> "might still be" :P
[19:43] <wxl> EVERY noto is CJK
[19:43] <sappheiros> ah. i didn't know that.
[19:44] <wxl> you know what noto stands for right?
[19:44] <sappheiros> ... but noto is in italy >_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto
[19:44] <sappheiros> i have no clue
[19:44]  * wxl facepalms
[19:44] <sappheiros> lol
[19:44] <sappheiros> ah. https://www.google.com/get/noto/
[19:44] <sappheiros> ... ;_; i like tofu
[19:45] <wxl> this is tofu as it relates to fonts
[19:45] <wxl> which isn't as tasty
[19:45] <sappheiros> it's not tofu's fault if the font didn't season it
[19:46] <sappheiros> does firefox spy on me?
[19:46] <sappheiros> why is it default for lubuntu?
[19:46] <wxl> what would you prefer?
[19:46] <sappheiros> ... not being spied on >_> um ... falkon maybe?
[19:46] <sappheiros> but someone said falkon was KDE-based
[19:46] <sappheiros> and that i'd have to install a ton of KDE dependencies
[19:46] <wxl> in what way is firefox spying on you?
[19:47] <sappheiros> default opened tab on first use: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/
[19:47] <sappheiros> apparently it logs search terms for example
[19:47] <lynorian> I didn't think falkon had that many kde dependencies most are still qt based
[19:47] <wxl> did you see the word "if" there?
[19:48] <wxl> or the phrase "by default?"
[19:48] <wxl> or the word "choose?"
[19:48] <wxl> that said, how do you know falkon doesn't do that but just isn't so adamant about being so transparent?
[19:49] <sappheiros> because if i can't see them then they can't see me. >_> that's how that works.
[19:49]  * sappheiros is starting to think wxl never went to kindergarten.
[19:49]  * wxl is starting to think sappheiros is still there
[19:49] <sappheiros> lol
[19:50] <sappheiros> ... it's just that from all the news i see it seems the more popular a product a company produces, the more evil that company is.
[19:50] <sappheiros> i guess i don't have a logical argument though.
[19:51] <wxl> i can safely say that mozilla is pretty non-evil
[19:51] <sappheiros> you broke the wheels off my emotion skateboard ;_;
[19:51] <sappheiros> >:<
[19:51] <wxl> do you know how hard it is to break skateboard wheels?
[19:51] <sappheiros> lol
[19:51] <wxl> if you want to install another browser, do it
[19:52] <sappheiros> nah
[19:52] <wxl> that's the beauty of linux: freedom
[19:52] <sappheiros> i'ma try firefoxie again
[19:52] <sappheiros> "less is more" right?
[19:52] <sappheiros> like, if i can use default software ...
[19:52] <wxl> not always
[19:52] <wxl> i mean you can use lynx
[19:52] <wxl> that's REALLY less
[19:52]  * sappheiros gasps
[19:52] <wxl> OR BETTER YET JUST USE TELNET
[19:52] <lynorian> less is an amazing pager
[19:52] <sappheiros> i forgot about lynx! today i mean.
[19:53] <sappheiros> well, firefox does seem as fast as falkon now
[19:53] <sappheiros> i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10
[19:53] <sappheiros> maybe even faster right now ...
[19:53]  * sappheiros checks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet
[19:54]  * lynorian can't stand using more
[19:54] <sappheiros> do you still use telnet?
[19:54] <wxl> for network debugging
[19:54] <sappheiros> lynorian: change your name to mynorian. be consistent. :P
[20:02] <wxl> sappheiros: https://asciinema.org/a/pjDs0qCQKLvDBZMsujejMtE4C
[20:03] <wxl> that's real web surfing
[20:03] <sappheiros> how come you're not in #ubuntu-offtopic wxl?
[20:03] <wxl> i am. you're not
[20:09] <sappheiros> ??
[20:10] <sappheiros> under a different account?
[20:10] <wxl> nope
[20:10] <wxl> you are most definitely not there unless you're logging in through telegram or through another account
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10], why don't use 19.04 directly?
[21:04] <tomreyn> because i686
 tomyren what if if upgrade from 18.04 LTS -> 18.10 -> 19.04 ?
[21:14] <tomreyn> ctisme: then you'll have ubuntu 19.04 installed. assuming that's available for your architecture.
[23:07] <bp0> Official site: lubuntu.net or lubuntu.me? Link to information about why there are two and the differences?
 lubuntu.me is official one
[23:08] <bp0> Ok, thanks
[23:12] <bp0> And the logo is now the nice bird and not the freddy krueger hand, right?
[23:15] <lynorian> bp0 I think it was always intended as a bird just a different one
[23:15] <bp0> It seems better now
[23:15] <bp0> Anyway, thanks for the info
[23:41] <sappheiros> is there a preferred CD ripper for lubuntu? sound juicer?
[23:41] <sappheiros> is lxde an alternative to gnome?
 lxde is an alternative to gnome, yes
[23:41] <sappheiros> what about abcde instead of sound-juicer?
[23:42] <sappheiros> doesn't 18.10 include sound-juicer by default?
 1.- don't know. 2.- NO
 18.10 only has vlc
[23:43] <lynorian> I use asunder on lxde
[23:45] <sappheiros> i just started the install for sound-juicer ...
[23:46] <sappheiros> why asunder rather than sound-juicer?
[23:49] <sappheiros> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdparanoia looks good
[23:58] <sappheiros> but seems no database access unless i perhaps use abcde which requires learning stuff ... maybe sound-juicer is good enough ...


[12:07] <BenC> later
[12:31] <zul> hey
[01:09] <BenC> yo
[01:14] <zul> how is it going
[01:16] <zul> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6vhTSwoSA8
[01:17] <BenC> writing wiki pages isn't fun
[01:17] <zul> heh...im doing some grub stuff
[02:51] <zul> yay..new grub works
[09:03] <kimo> I am using 2.6.17-1.1, everything in official dapper kernel is fixed :) Problem, is waking from sus2ram => kernel oops. Should I report this ? where ?
[09:05] <crimsun_> sure.  [https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+filebug]
[09:39] <kimo> Thanks, bug reported
[01:02] <kimo> anyone knows the difference bet a process's nice value & its priority value (as shown in top for example)!
[01:04] <infinity> Priority is the kernel assigned priority, which relates to the niceness, but not always in an obvious 1:1 way.
[01:05] <kimo> thanks ... any relation, or totally random!
[01:05] <kimo> depends on load ?
[01:18] <Keybuk> PRI = Nice + -20
[01:18] <Keybuk> iirc
[01:20] <fabbione> last i checked it was slightly different
[01:20] <kimo> if its that straightforward, then its redundant
[01:20] <fabbione> priority indicates the amount of CPU the process is allowed to get and it's calculated according to the amount of processes
[01:20] <fabbione> nice is a value that indicates how quickly a process can be deprioritized
[01:21] <fabbione> (or prioritized according to the POV)
[01:21] <fabbione> so a process can be high priority because it's really CPU consuming
[01:21] <fabbione> but it can be nice 20 and gets deprioritized very fast if other process with same or higher priority get in the game
[01:21] <fabbione> see for example stuff like setiathome
[01:22] <fabbione> they are very cpu intesive (high priority) but they get trashed on the floor if anything else needs CPU (high nice level)
[01:23] <kimo> this way, the priority, is an internal (scheduler) thing, right. The user shouldnt & doesnt want to see it, and cant change it, right ?
[01:23] <Keybuk> users never need to use top
[01:24] <kimo> admins I mean
[01:24] <fabbione> kimo: assume you have a 1 sec sample of time
[01:24] <fabbione> n one sec a lot of things happen in the CPU
[01:24] <fabbione> tons of processes are running
[01:25] <fabbione> they need to get scheduled and for only a very precise amount of time
[01:25] <fabbione> the priority is used to calculate that time
[01:27] <fabbione> right
[01:28] <kimo> cool ... thanks a lot for the verbose explanation
[01:29] <fabbione> kimo: please deposit 1.000 USD on my bank account
[01:29] <fabbione> ;)
[01:31] <kimo> :)
[01:35] <zul> heylo
[04:00] <hub> hi
[04:00] <hub> how can I get older kernel packages from the Dapper development cycle?
[04:01] <hub> I have a freeze in -23 that happen less often in -22, but used to never have problems with older kernel
[04:01] <hub> I want to track it down to a specific release
[04:09] <jbailey_> BenC: Hey, is this the patch from the guy who's stuff is in the -mm tree?
[04:09] <jbailey_> (re: the lkh mail you sent me today)
[04:09] <jbailey_> If yes, I was hoping to drag you aside and look at it in Paris sometime. =)
[04:09] <BenC> Not sure, but it looked like something you'd be interested in
[04:09] <BenC> ok, we can do that
[04:10] <jbailey_> Or during the toolchain workshop or something.
[04:11] <jbailey_> About 12 hours for me.
[04:11] <jbailey_> The flight was much cheaper.
[04:11] <jbailey_> But I thought it was tomorrow.  I'm glad I looked at my tickets a couple days ago.
[04:16] <BenC> 2 more days for me
[04:21] <zul> dont get into too much trouble
[04:22] <zul> jbailey_: customs agents at trudeau might recieve a call about you on your way back though ;)
[04:22] <jbailey_> Err.  Why?
[04:22] <jbailey_> What did you do?
[04:23] <jbailey_> Oh
[04:23] <jbailey_> misread.
[04:23] <jbailey_> I know where you live.
[04:23] <zul> you know the city, not the street :)
[04:23] <jbailey_> I just need a sufficiently high grade weapon.
[04:23] <zul> true
[04:23] <jbailey_> ;)
[04:30] <BenC> when I went to Montreal
[04:30] <BenC> my friend got flagged in Baltimore for random search
[04:31] <zul> last time i flew out of montreal there was a bomb scare on the airplane that i was on.
[04:31] <BenC> while he was being frisked by a large security person behind a glass wall, I leaned over and told the guard "He's got something hidden up his butt, might want to check it out"
[04:32] <BenC> the guard said "If he's got something up there, it's going to stay there"
[04:32] <BenC> my friend was not happy :)
[04:32] <zul> .hehe
[04:36] <hub> zul: customs agent in YUL are assholes
[04:37] <hub> zul: next time I'll ask what 272 means on the custom form
[04:37] <zul> heh
[04:38] <hub> so no archive of the kernel packages anywhere?
[04:40] <zul> isnt there a morgue?
[04:40] <hub> you tell me
[04:41] <hub> I'm looking for older like 2.6.15-19 to track down a regression
[04:41] <hub> my laptop freeze on wake up, very often
[04:41] <Keybuk> hub: on Launchpad
[04:41] <hub> -22 seems better than -23
[04:41] <Keybuk> go to the kernel source page, and it lists all the versions
[04:41] <Keybuk> pick one and it lets you download the binaries
[04:42] <hub> ok. now I need to locate them in Launchpad
[04:42] <Keybuk> linux-source-2.6.15
[04:43] <BenC> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15
[04:43] <hub> BenC: yeah reached that
[04:43] <hub> thanks
[04:44] <Keybuk> now pick a version
[04:45] <hub> yep
[04:45] <Keybuk> oh, weird, the binaries are missing
[04:45] <Keybuk> iz lp bug
[04:45] <hub> Keybuk: no biggie, I'll debuild it
[04:45] <Keybuk> ah
[04:45] <Keybuk> no
[04:45] <Keybuk> you have to go to the build
[04:45] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/189805
[04:45] <Keybuk> and then pick a binary
[04:45] <BenC> hub: Only choice if lp doesn't have them is to get the GIT repo, and use the tags to build
[04:46] <infinity> Yeah, binaries are associated with a build, not with the source.
[04:46] <hub> BenC: I'll build from the debian package
[04:46] <infinity> Which actually does make sense, internally.  Honest.
[04:46] <hub> BenC: I have some time anyway
[04:46] <BenC> hub: then you'll be downloading quite a few 80Meg tarballs if you don't get the right one the first time :)
[04:46] <hub> my problem is that I can't even get enough diagnostic for the bug to be usefull
[04:47] <BenC> plus if you do find the right one, still need to use git-bisect to find the exact commit
[04:47] <hub> BenC: I have no clue were it freeze
[04:47] <hub> BenC: I just want to put in the bug, version foo does not
[04:47] <hub> BenC: and stick to that for my laptop
[04:47] <BenC> hub: which is really useless
[04:47] <hub> freeze on wakeup is a waste of time
[04:48] <hub> BenC: then I'll just keep it for myself
[04:48] <hub> I have NO output anyway
[04:48] <BenC> so you don't want the bug fixed for everyone else, and for security updates?
[04:48] <hub> my problem is that dapper final is less stable that developement
[04:48] <BenC> I'm not asking for output
[04:48] <BenC> you can use git to find the exact commit that causes the problem
[04:49] <BenC> if you are willing to take the time to rebuild a kernel that works for you, it would be nice to take a little more to actually find the problem
[04:49] <hub> I have never used git
[04:49] <hub> BenC: I'll see what I can do on my copious spare time
[04:50] <BenC> hub: if you're willing to do the testing, I'm willing to help you through git
[04:50] <BenC> URL in topic shows how to obtain the source
[04:51] <hub> BenC: ok
[04:52] <hub> the thing is that this is my only machine
[04:52] <hub> the otherone does not have a keyboard
[04:52] <hub> and I'd rather not use it to build kernel
[04:52] <BenC> doing something like "git-checkout 2.6.15-22.33" will get you the source for that version
[04:53] <hub> .34 freeze sometime, but less that 23.39
[04:53] <hub> 2.6.15-19.29 did not
[04:53] <hub> because that one was actually installed but has been purged since
[04:53] <hub> I'll start from there,
[04:56] <hub> BenC: ubuntu-dapper.git I should get?
[04:58] <hub> BenC: the bug is that one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/49078
[04:59] <BenC> yeah, dapper.git is what you want
[05:00] <hub> currently cloning
[05:01] <BenC> it's very similar to bk
[05:02] <mkrufky> except git is open source
[05:03] <hub> mkrufky: yeah. that is something that was bugging me
[05:04] <hub> mkrufky: but the only reason I used it is because I did doing kernel development at that time, for a short living
[05:05] <mkrufky> bk was good while it was used -- i'm not knocking it ;-)
[05:07] <hub> mkrufky: the worse was that $BOSS didn't trust people so we had to send hime patches
[05:08] <mkrufky> huh?
[05:08] <hub> yeah we had our own bk tree
[05:08] <mkrufky> oh ok
[05:08] <hub> and all the change had to go thru $BOSS
[05:08] <hub> who didn't care about upstream
[05:08] <hub> unless it was to pull the changes
[05:09] <mkrufky> who is "we" ?
[05:10] <hub> mkrufky: me and other coworker at that time
[05:10] <hub> mkrufky: working on a ADSL settop box for the #2 ISP in France
[05:11] <hub> but this is getting off-topic
[05:12] <hub> does building the kernel use ccache?
[05:12] <hub> if available?
[05:13] <zul> yes you can use ccache
[05:16] <fabbione> BenC: no just a tad slower ;)
[06:09] <hub> BenC: I did a git clone, and if I do a 'git-checkout 2.6.15-19.29', it says
[06:09] <hub> git checkout: you need to specify a new branch name
[06:10] <BenC> git-branch 2.6.15-19.29 2.6.15-19.29
[06:10] <BenC> try that
[06:11] <BenC> if that doesn't work, cat .git/refs/tags/2.6.15-19.29
[06:11] <BenC> and do git-branch 2.6.15-19.29 <sha from cat>
[06:12] <hub> git-branch did work
[06:12] <hub> or at least didn't complain
[06:13] <BenC> ok, from there you can git-checkout 2.6.15-19.29
[06:13] <hub> in progress
[06:14] <hub> done
[06:15] <BenC> are you using 386, 686, k7?
[06:15] <BenC> sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.15
[06:15] <BenC> then do:
[06:15] <BenC> fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=686
[06:16] <BenC> change 686 to which ever you are using
[06:16] <hub> Pentium M
[06:16] <hub> so likely to be 686
[06:16] <hub> actually it is -386
[06:16] <hub> 2.6.15-22-386
[06:20] <hub> should have I installed a -686 kernel?
[06:20] <zul> BenC: the one kail is talking about is 0.54
[06:22] <BenC> hub: no, doesn't matter
[06:22] <hub> ok
[06:22] <BenC> -386 should work everywhere, while -686 is a little optimized (and has SMP)
[06:23] <hub> I'll test with -386 to not add variety to the testing conditions
[06:28] <KaiL> fabbione, so you want the bug # here again? ;)
[06:28] <KaiL> bug 49870
[06:29] <KaiL> ok, no bot
[06:29] <fabbione> KaiL: why? i am not a kernel maintainer so i am not going to fix anyway :)
[06:29] <KaiL> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/49870
[06:29] <KaiL> I thought, you are? only for edgy?
[06:29] <fabbione> nope
[06:29] <fabbione> i was.. for breezy
[06:29] <KaiL> ah!
[06:29] <fabbione> partially breezy sorry
[06:29] <fabbione> mostly hoary
[06:30] <zul> btw 0.53 apparently fixes this from nvidia
[06:30] <KaiL> there's also a 0.54, maybe also bugfix only?
[06:31] <KaiL>  *	0.54: 21 Mar 2006: Fix spin locks for multi irqs and cleanup.
[06:31] <KaiL> uhm, yes...
[06:31] <zul> BenC: ill put it my tree..
[09:17] <zul> hmmm...whats wrong with this bug? #49789
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> BenC:  side note, do you know anyone particularly good with linux kernel mm/ internals?  Particularly the swap code
[09:36] <BenC> not off hand
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> ah damn.  Oh well, maybe when I get most of this thing coded I can coerce someone into doing that part.
[09:38] <cjb> bluefoxicy: #kernelnewbies on oftc?
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> cjb:  they bounce me source fil eto source file but the functions are non-intuitive.  :)
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> cjb:  I'm trying to break up the swap code and make a point where the kernel thinks a page has been swapped out but it hasn't yet been sent to the actual swap medium yet (i.e. disk)
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> which of course has code that just shoves it into the swap medium
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> I have something interesting to do inbetween though.
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> (I'll break suspend to disk probably but that'll be a one line fix)
[09:41] <cjb> Well, how does, say, the encrypted swap support do it?
[09:41] <bluefoxicy> encrypted swap?  I dunno.
[09:42] <bluefoxicy> I'm not doing anything to the swap file though.
[09:42] <cjb> Okay; thought it might be using the hooks you're after.
[09:43] <cjb> Since you want take page -> ? -> store page on disk, and "encrypt page" is one such action.  :)
[09:43] <bluefoxicy> cjb:  http://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/mediawiki-1.5.5/index.php/Project_Zone/Design
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> cjb:  That's what I'm doing :)
[09:47] <WebMaven> BenC: Hi Ben!
[09:47] <WebMaven> BenC: I just upgraded the laptop, and the fix works! Thanks!
[09:47] <WebMaven> Yay!
[09:47] <BenC> cool
[10:10] <BenC> sweet, -25 is fixing bug after bug
[11:27] <zul> heylo
[11:29] <zul> BenC: ping
[11:30] <zul> can you have a look at http://zulinux.homeinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/vmware-player
[11:41] <KaiL_> connection refused ;)
[11:41] <zul> oops
[11:41] <zul> can you have a look at http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/vmware-player
[11:41] <KaiL_> hmm, would it be possible to write a (userspace?) tool, which sends everything accessing /dev/dsp to esddsp or aoss..?
[11:42] <KaiL_> that should finally end the oss-Hell
[11:47] <KaiL_> ..wrong channel? ;)
[11:50] <zul> BenC: compiles and works for me


[00:03] <ali1234> is there some problem in virtualbox on 12.10 where guests don't get correct dns entries?
[00:21] <popey> ali1234, not seen that
[01:12] <n1md4> evening
[01:12] <n1md4> how can i change the keyboard layout in bash
[01:12] <n1md4> permanently
[01:12] <n1md4> it's set to US by mistake
[07:29] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:05] <BigRedS> n1md4: I'm sure you preferred US? When using qwerty...
[09:18] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:34] <mungojerry> anyone find inkscape has a difficult learning curve?
[09:35] <mungojerry> just wanna edit some vector art
[09:39] <popey> morning
[09:39] <bigcalm> Evening
[09:40] <bigcalm> Back from the vet already?
[09:43] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: I figured it out pretty much through trial and error. What you want to do?
[09:48] <mungojerry> dogmatic69, seems a bit fiddly to do anything. removing stuff seems to leave a white space rather than transparency behind
[09:48] <mungojerry> gonna play a bit at lunchtime
[09:48] <theopensourcerer> mungojerry: There is a decent on-line book from a chap called Tamvong (or something similar) that covers most aspects. But I do know what you mean. It's a complicated tool.
[09:49] <theopensourcerer> I do like it though.
[09:50] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: if there is white behind something that means there is another element or its the page background.
[09:50] <theopensourcerer> You can change the background colour
[09:51] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: I use inkscape a lot, and generally downloaded vector art is done badly. Loads of duplicated elements on top of each other.
[09:52] <Ivanka> Morning JamesTait :-)
[09:52] <JamesTait> Hey Ivanka! :)
[09:52]  * Ivanka just realised that she never added ubuntu-uk back in when she rebuilt her machine
[09:53] <JamesTait> :-O
[09:53]  * Ivanka was slack
[09:53] <n1md4> BigRedS: True, but there's some oddities that creep in I've noticed, if you don't stick with qwerty.  Therefore, I match the keyboard layout on install, but ''obviously'' switch to dvorak once in X ;)
[10:04] <AlanBell> hi Ivanka o/
[10:04] <Ivanka> hi AlanBell :-)
[10:06] <SuperMatt> morning all
[10:06] <SuperMatt> linuxmint is looking very pretty these days :o
[10:10] <popey> SuperMatt, i like the minimal look of elementary
[10:32] <AlanBell> any laptop recommendations?
[10:32] <AlanBell> preferably no windows tax, midrange costs
[10:33] <diplo> popey: Have you tried elementary - Saw a blog ( maybe you posted ) about it the other day
[10:33] <diplo> Debating giving it a go
[10:34] <popey> AlanBell, thinkpad, always thinkpad
[10:35] <AlanBell> where from?
[10:35] <popey> diplo, briefly
[10:35] <popey> lenovo online store
[10:35] <AlanBell> linuxemporium just has old models I think
[10:35] <popey> with the magic 20% off code
[10:42] <daubers> Morning
[10:43] <AlanBell> http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html thoughts and opinions on this one?
[10:44] <einonm> Novatech are pretty good - I've bought 4 laptops from them in the past.
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> No Windows Tax.
[10:44] <einonm> The only thing I would say is that the cases are a little cheap and feel flimsy
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> They use Clevo IIRC
[10:44] <soreau> What about the new cheap google laptops?
[10:45] <soreau> chromebook or whatever they're calling it
[10:46] <dwatkins> The Samsung Chromebook looks rather like a Mac, unsurprisingly.
[10:46] <theopensourcerer> Love the second comment on the Novatech one: "Runs perfectly with Windows 7 and Ubuntu (dual booting)."
[10:46] <soreau> heh
[10:47] <dwatkins> theopensourcerer: I'd want to know I could still play my none-Wine-compatible games ;)
[10:47] <dwatkins> s/none/non/
[10:47] <soreau> I will assume that's not using GPT partitioning scheme
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> It's for *work*
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> It will only have a Free OS on it.
[10:48] <shauno> other people still make laptops?  I thought it was basically lenovo and apple, with a bunch of companies making kids toys in the background
[10:49] <theopensourcerer> Novatech don't *make* them
[10:56] <popey> i need to break into my garage, we've lost the key :(
[10:56] <theopensourcerer> I have a sledgehammer :-)
[10:56] <dwatkins> popey: time to learn lockpicking? ;)
[10:57] <theopensourcerer> Train the cat to go in through a small window and unlock the door from the inside
[10:57] <popey> need the key for that
[10:57] <popey> :(
[10:58] <dwatkins> how about a long piece of wire?
[10:59] <dwatkins> this reminds me, I should get an internal letterbox cover
[11:02] <shauno> and a welltrained cat  (never know when it could come in handy)
[11:11] <AlanBell> we bought the novatech laptop
[11:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: now dont break it when you get it playing with orca :p
[11:13] <einonm> AlanBell: coolio. Hopefully you talked to one of the business sales reps and got some freebies or a discount?..always worth a try!
[11:14] <theopensourcerer> Hey czajkowski - I read your blog post. How come you didn't mention the back handed remarks about you ;-)
[11:15] <theopensourcerer> I guess it is because you know we all love you really...
[11:15] <theopensourcerer> Ahh.
[11:15] <AlanBell> einonm: we don't buy much stuff now, we thought about doing lots at one point but we are not an interesting customer any more
[11:16] <einonm> AlanBell: Ah, ok. I only bought 2 at the time I tried...gave them the 'we're going to expand rapidly very soon, and need more later..' etc, got a few quid off and some laptops bags thrown in
[11:17] <einonm> s/laptops/laptop
[11:19] <AlanBell> the bag was £9.60
[11:20] <einonm> that's 2 pints, at least.
[11:24] <AlanBell> yeah, but only one of these https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/269169142937030657/photo/1
[11:27] <mungojerry> popey, you still happy with thinkpad despite all your breakages?
[11:27] <mungojerry> diplo, i been using elementary, very nice
[11:28] <mungojerry> gonna be great
[11:31]  * theopensourcerer wonders when popey's new found love of snipping things will extend to Sam...
[11:31] <popey> mungojerry, "all my breakages"?
[11:31] <popey> I am unhappy about the case cracking
[11:33] <popey> need to break into garage, not sure how :(
[11:33] <popey> i could smash the window I guess
[11:33] <popey> but that won't get me far
[11:35] <SuperMatt> woo, we may have a business justification for geting a nexus 7 at work
[11:36] <SuperMatt> does ubuntu work with the non-wifi-only version?
[11:36] <SuperMatt> as in, can I use a phone network?
[11:36] <daubers> popey: What are you trying to steak from yourself now?
[11:36] <daubers> s/steak/steal
[11:36] <StevenR> popey: only one door?
[11:47] <popey> we lost the key
[11:47] <popey> one side door with only one lock
[11:47] <popey> one main door which has many bolts
[11:47] <popey> I figure the side door is easiest
[11:48] <czajkowski> can you pop sam in via the window ...
[11:48] <popey> popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi
[11:48] <popey> that door
[11:48] <popey> no, too small
[11:48] <popey> and it wont help, its locked
[11:49] <ali1234> MATE is still horribly broken :(
[11:50] <ali1234> disappointing
[11:50] <StevenR> popey: what sort of lock?
[11:51] <popey> typical bog standard lock
[11:51] <popey> oh, http://guest:guest@popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi
[11:54] <Daviey> aww, popey has a mooo.com aswell.
[11:55] <popey> :)
[11:55] <theopensourcerer> popey: Smash the glass in the door. It's not double glazed I guess, and could be cheaply replaced in 20mins
[11:56] <popey> yeah, single glazed
[11:56] <popey> smashing the window will get me in
[11:56] <popey> wont open the door
[12:01] <SuperMatt> could you call up a locksmith?
[12:01] <SuperMatt> I don't know what the issue is
[12:04]  * StevenR wonders how best to do encrypted backups (I want the backup to be encrypted, the source is both unencrypted and encrypted, depending what it is)
[12:05] <StevenR> I've got an openvpn set up to my parents, so I can talk to a box that can talk to everything else in my parents' network
[12:05] <theopensourcerer> StevenR: Write the backup to an encrypted partition?
[12:06] <StevenR> theopensourcerer: that's possible at one end, but not the other (the goal is backups of my stuff to there and their stuff to here)
[12:08] <theopensourcerer> You could probably pipe the stream through a crypto
[12:08] <theopensourcerer> e.g. tar -cvf - /home | aescrypt -e -p apples - >backup_files.tar.aes
[12:09] <StevenR> theopensourcerer: true... that leaves me with the problem of incrementals (normally, I'd use rsnapshot, but it doesn't quite work for this)
[12:10] <theopensourcerer> http://duplicity.nongnu.org/
[12:11] <danfish> popey: dan
[12:12] <danfish> oops
[12:14] <danfish> it's either a lock smith for that door or a reciprocating saw down the door jam
[12:15] <danfish> StevenR: dustin kirkland's blog has a rather good backup article http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/06/ecryptfs-backup-strategy.html
[12:22] <StevenR> thanks folks, few option to explore now :)
[13:05] <ali1234> popey: looks like virtualbox issue from yesterday was a mint bug
[13:05] <ali1234> hmm wait, disregard that
[13:05] <ali1234> affects xubuntu as well
[13:05] <ali1234> but only live cds
[13:08] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1048783
[13:12] <ali1234> it looks like xubuntu has improved quite a bit since last time i tried it
[13:15] <ali1234> of course looks can be deceiving. the installer just hangs.
[13:18] <ali1234> cup of tea time
[13:18] <ali1234> hmm didn't debian switch to xfce as default now? maybe i should try that
[13:22] <dwatkins> I have lubuntu on my netbook, that uses xfce.
[13:23] <ali1234> lubuntu uses lxde
[13:23] <dwatkins> oh, I stand (sit?) corrected
[13:25] <ali1234> well, installer is still hanging
[13:26] <mungojerry> popey when you got the laptop it was DOA too wasn't it?
[13:29] <popey> no, it broke after a week
[13:29] <mungojerry> and your SSD died?
[13:29] <popey> ali1234, ahh, i only use bridging
[13:29] <popey> nope
[13:29] <mungojerry> ok, so died after 1 week and case breaking
[13:29] <kvarley> popey: How large is the ubuntu sticker on your laptop? I'm considering getting some but I can't seem to see the dimensions on the ubuntu shop.
[13:29] <mungojerry> not they best advert though
[13:29] <popey> yeah
[13:29] <ali1234> NAT is the default
[13:29]  * popey looks for a ruler
[13:30] <popey> its as wide as an iphone :)
[13:30] <popey> mungojerry, the positive things about the laptop outweigh the negative things
[13:30] <popey> IMO
[13:30] <mungojerry> good to hear
[13:31] <mungojerry> i'm not anti them, i used to have one
[13:31] <mungojerry> but they are quite ugly and heavy
[13:31] <popey> I'm a little disappointed
[13:31] <popey> but would still buy another
[13:32] <mungojerry> you like the linux support and the battery life?
[13:38] <popey> yeah
[13:39] <popey> ali1234, you like the jolla videos then?
[13:39] <popey> interesting they demo on an n950, easy to hack I imagine
[13:40] <ali1234> it's a developer only phone, so yeah
[13:40] <popey> they talked previously about using libhybris to use android kernels / boinc, guess that's not required on n950
[13:41] <ali1234> i don't really care for the arty farty marketing but their stuff is mer based
[13:41] <ali1234> as opposed to meego where the community stuff was basically a fork
[13:42] <ali1234> mer is, in fact, that same fork
[13:45] <ali1234> how do i get the the console in virtualbox?
[13:45] <ali1234> or: how do i send ctrl-alt-f1 to a virtualbox guest?
[13:53] <ali1234> ah, ctrl-f1
[13:53] <AlanBell> host + F1
[13:53] <AlanBell> right ctrl normally
[13:56] <ali1234> yeah, right ctrl
[14:12] <ali1234> hmm
[14:12] <ali1234> so if you try to install 12.10 over mint 14 the installer crashes
[14:12] <ali1234> at the screen that says "you already have <operating systems> installed"
[14:15] <popey> interesting
[14:16] <popey> cjwatson might like to hear about that in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:16] <popey> I have seen a report from a jouro who had a similar issue
[14:17] <ali1234> i will reproduce and then report a bug
[14:21] <ali1234> xfce install takes ages :(
[14:22] <ali1234> oh, it's because it is tryng to download files even though i told it not to because the computer has no working internet connection
[14:22] <ali1234> so it is timing out on each one
[14:22] <ali1234> done 43/117 so far
[14:40] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1081632
[14:40] <gord> how does popey's cat text with no thumbs...
[14:41] <ali1234> i know right
[14:42] <ali1234> i would reply to that with "that's nice, but how is my cat doing?"
[14:43] <ali1234> i don't even care if everyone makes that joke
[14:44] <popey> :)
[14:44] <popey> when I pick him up in a bit I will ask if they deliberately report it in the first person
[14:45] <popey> given I am a pet owner, I am clearly like every other pet owner whose first reaction is "awwwww" then "hmmm"
[14:48] <xnox> popey: ali1234: all installer bugs please report on #ubuntu-installer. I have commented on your bug report. Without logs it's hard to see what is going on.
[14:49] <ali1234> on the contrary,it's very easy to see what is going on. just follow the steps to reproduce
[14:49] <ali1234> then you can have all the logs you want right there
[14:49] <xnox> Also note that it appears that VirtualBox is giving you broken network. While the indicator shows you have an ip address, ubiquity detects that actually you have no network.
[14:49] <ali1234> yes, that is also a bug
[14:49] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1048783
[14:50] <xnox> ali1234: no, it is not. I don't have time nor bandwidth to download mint dvd, to install that, as well as to setup virtualbox.
[14:50]  * xnox uses KVM and official ubuntu images only.
[14:50] <ali1234> well guess what, i don't have time to learn how ubiquity works and extract logs from a crashed VM...
[14:50] <ali1234> so i guess it isn't getting fixed
[14:51] <xnox> ali1234: `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` is all you need to get the logs from it.
[14:51] <ali1234> uh-huh
[14:51] <xnox> ali1234: full automatic apport integration to extract all installer logs for developers.
[14:51] <xnox> ali1234: just click "try ubuntu" start ubiquity to get to that point & open terminal and type that, done.
[14:52] <xnox> but if you don't have network it will save the logs in a crash file.
[14:52] <xnox> I believe virtualbox has something to access the VM to retrieve stuff of it.
[15:05] <ali1234> xnox: ubuntu-bug ubiquity does not work
[15:05] <ali1234> "The problem cannot be reported: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party packages and try again."
[15:05] <xnox> and this is when you are using an official ubuntu image?
[15:05] <xnox> which image is it?
[15:07] <ali1234> ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:07] <ali1234> 7ad57cadae955bd04019389d4b9c1dcb  ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:07] <czajkowski> BigRedS: booo
[15:08] <xnox> ali1234: broken download?
[15:08] <xnox> ali1234: wait.... looked at wrong sums.
[15:08] <ali1234> i dunno. where are the isos?
[15:08] <xnox> ali1234: no, all is correct. You have the released image.
[15:08] <xnox> http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/MD5SUMS
[15:09] <xnox> I will check why ubuntu-bug did not work.
[15:09] <xnox> ISOs are here http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[15:09] <ali1234> which file do you actually need?
[15:51] <kvarley> popey: Ok, ty :)
[15:55] <ali12345> lalala xfce
[15:56] <ali12345> so it looks like they've fixed ALL the bugs
[15:56] <ali12345> font hinting now works properly, as does dpi and font size
[15:56] <ali12345> it works properly with light-themes so you can have something that looks good
[15:57] <ali12345> i can't see any wonkey text *anywhere* which is a first
[15:57] <ali12345> i dont know if that's down to the theme or fixes
[15:58] <ali12345> anyway, brb installing this properly :)
[16:01] <ali1234> hmm. how can i install xubuntu-desktop from official ubuntu install media, without installing unity?
[16:01] <ali1234> use the server iso?
[16:03] <ali1234> or minimal iso?
[16:03] <ali1234> i better test this in vbox first
[16:03] <mgdm> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685744#c6 o rly
[16:03] <ali1234> mgdm: ya rly?
[16:04] <mgdm> no wai
[16:04] <mgdm> etc
[16:04] <ali1234> extensions cannot reproduce gnome-2 experience, it's why i' installing xfce now that fallback mode is going away for real
[16:05] <ali1234> gnome-shell core is just too broken, and like unity, it's a horrible monolithic pile of half finished rubbish
[16:08] <ali1234> you know what i hate more than anything else about gnome-shell? those little rounded corners on the top panel
[16:08] <ali1234> it's so trivial but they just annoy me
[16:11] <selinuxium> Any Canonicals about? The new support portal email I just recieved has a broken link to the portal...
[16:12] <selinuxium> popey ^^^
[16:13] <popey> hey
[16:15] <ali1234> how do i manually configure networking on the mini.iso??
[16:15] <ali1234> ah, "expert install"
[16:16] <directhex> hit cancel during the dhcp lookup
[16:16] <directhex> then you can pick manual from the list of "oh bugger, now what" options
[16:16] <ali1234> can't. dhcp is working, it is virtualbox dns that is broken
[16:26] <directhex> gotta hit cancel *fast* then
[16:27] <popey> ali1234, why not set it to bridged mode temporarily?
[16:27] <ali1234> yeah or select "expert install" in the initial boot menu
[16:27] <ali1234> popey: because derp
[16:33] <Seeker`> popey: get in to your garage?
[16:34] <popey> not yet
[16:35] <Seeker`> :( still think a flamethrower is the way to go
[16:42] <mungojerry> i used to have recurring dreams about my garage not locking properly at my parents house
[16:43] <AlanBell> popey: has it been determined who lost the key yet?
[16:45] <SuperMatt> who lost which key?
[16:45] <SuperMatt> oh, the garage key
[16:46] <popey> no
[16:46] <ali1234> hmm, still no "development system" item in the mini.iso package selection?
[16:46] <einonm> popey: is it a small key?
[16:46] <ali1234> fedora and opensuse both have this :/
[16:47] <AlanBell> is there a "consumer system" option?
[16:47] <ali1234> yeah, it's called "ubuntu-desktop"
[16:48] <einonm> I think you should try asking Elrond. Elrond has the small key.
[16:48] <ali1234> you can select as many package groups as you want of course
[16:48] <ali1234> some of the other ones include "video editing suite" and "edubuntu desktop"
[16:48] <ali1234> but there's absolutely nothing for developers
[16:50] <ali1234> i thought the sputnik project was supposed to create this feature, but i guess it's only available on the sputnik image for some reason
[16:52] <AlanBell> would have purchased a sputnik today if they were available to purchase
[16:53] <ali1234> buy that new uber laptop
[16:53] <ali1234> Azelphur: did you see that? it's just up your street :)
[16:54] <Azelphur> what is?
[16:55] <ali1234> it only has 1080p though
[16:55] <ali1234> the new system76 $1500 laptop
[16:57]  * Azelphur has a look
[16:58] <Azelphur> looks nice
[16:59] <ali1234> truly a laptop for people who believe that you get what you pay for :)
[16:59] <ali1234> a laptop which can compete with apple on price :)
[16:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:06] <ali1234> ok, that seems to have worked... slightly better than the xubuntu install image
[17:06] <ali1234> time to install for real i guess
[17:07] <ali1234> is mini.iso a hybrid?
[17:08] <ali1234> i guess i'll find out shortly
[17:58] <roht> sera
[18:05] <Azelphur> Amazon is doing 3TB drives very cheap, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRLY?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20
[18:21] <BigRedS> Anyone familiar with the Nagios XML interface?
[18:21] <BigRedS> er, specifically how to get to it...
[18:38] <soreau> Hey guys, is there a webcam program that doesn't suck? Trying cheese here, can't even figure out how to get out of fullscreen :P
[18:40] <soreau> ok F11 but I think this webcam just sucks
[18:54] <ali1234> cool
[18:55] <ali1234> now my biggest problem is trying to decide whether to use ubuntu or droid sans
[19:39] <ali1234> hmm starting to notice little problems
[20:39] <mgdm> running Unity, if I hit the 'Files' thing in the launcher, where has the option to have a list of items with their details gone?
[20:41] <mgdm> err, has it been removed from Nautilus?
[20:44] <ali1234> yes
[20:44] <ali1234> actually no
[20:44] <ali1234> the small icon list view was removed
[20:44] <mgdm> any idea how I get the details one, with the modification date and all that?
[20:45] <ali1234> right click in the nautlius window?
[20:45] <ali1234> ah no, it's in the menus
[20:46] <ali1234> view -> list
[20:46] <mgdm> ah yes
[20:46] <ali1234> oh hang on this might be an old version
[20:46] <mgdm> I couldn've sworn it used to be in right-click
[20:46] <mgdm> got it now, ta
[20:46] <ali1234>  still have compact, that's the one they were going to remove
[20:46] <mgdm> the menus are not obvious having just switched back to Unity from classic mode
[20:46] <ali1234> haha yeah
[20:46] <ali1234> why would you even do that?
[20:47] <mgdm> classic mode had a few irritating bugs
[20:47] <ali1234> true enough
[20:49] <ali1234> i switched to xubuntu instead. it's quite good now
[20:49] <mgdm> might give that a go later
[20:50] <mgdm> or go for a 10-year retro thing and use Fluxbox again
[20:50] <ali1234> the window management is not great
[20:50] <ali1234> i might have to carry on using compiz
[20:50] <ali1234> which is a pity, since that was the cause of most of the classic mode bugs
[20:53] <ali1234> every time i click the button "install additional software" in rhythmbox, it crashes with sig abort
[20:53] <mgdm> nice
[23:01] <dogmatic69> anyone know what the number for 'drwxrwxr-x' would be?
[23:01] <dogmatic69> 0xxx?
[23:05] <shauno> dogmatic69: I think 775
[23:07] <dogmatic69> shauno: just found it, 0771. Thanks
[23:08] <shauno> I think the 1 won't give 'other' read access
[23:09] <dogmatic69> shauno: ah you are correct. It is rwxrwx--x
[23:10] <shauno> r,w,x is 4,2,1.  then just add the numbers for the modes you want (eg, r+x is 4+1)
[23:11] <dogmatic69> shauno: ta. 775 is good.
[23:28]  * AlanBell dislikes octal permissions
[23:28] <ali1234> use letters then
[23:29] <shauno> as far as dirty habits go, they're amongst my better, so they get a free pass for now
[23:30] <AlanBell> heh, fair enough
[23:40] <shauno> these pop-up notifications in the top-right.  is there any way to make them go away?  permenantly.
[23:48] <AlanBell> you could remove notify-osd
[23:49] <AlanBell> or break it in a variety of ways that don't look nice
[23:50] <shauno> I found instructions for just disabling the notification that's spamming me in gconf-editor, but nm-applet doesn't appear to have that key anymore
[23:52] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD is how they are designed to work
[23:52] <AlanBell> so you can compare stuff that happens with that to see if it is a bug or a feature
[23:52] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Flood_prevention
[23:53] <shauno> yeah I was just looking at that. prevents the queue overflowing, but doesn't prevent chinese water torture
[23:56] <AlanBell> dunno if anyone is still working on that, or if the design objectives have been met
[23:56] <shauno> solving the wrong problem of course, but I gave up on trying to make sense of network-manager a long time ago
[23:56] <AlanBell> I really liked the way that gnome-shell keeps a history of the notifications
[23:57] <AlanBell> why is network-manager sending you notifications?
[23:57] <ali1234> connect/disconnect network cable
[23:57] <AlanBell> other than "connected to SSID"
[23:57] <ali1234> also it spams when there's a cable plugged in to nothing
[23:57] <ali1234> it also spams if your wifi password is wrong or CRDA disallows the channel of your ap (it just keeps tryng to connect forever)
[23:58] <shauno> which may be what it looks like.  vmware with a second nic that's dangling atm
[23:58] <ali1234> basically it spams all the time
[23:59] <AlanBell> I have seen it repeatedly try to connect to wireless and fail and give notifications
[23:59] <ali1234> so xfce is pretty good but it has one fatal flaw: like mate it is still gtk2 so indicators don't work except the ones that are still around from gnome2 days, which means volume and NM-applet only
[23:59] <AlanBell> but I was trying to connect to the wireless, it kind of made sense to do each notification on a connection attempt
[23:59] <ali1234> for everything else you have to use systray which of course isn't multimonitor


[14:50] <mup> Bug #1536262 changed: dns-* e/n/i are misplaced <uosci> <curtin:In Progress> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 1.9:Invalid> <MAAS 2.0:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536262>
[14:53] <mup> Bug #1536262 opened: dns-* e/n/i are misplaced <uosci> <curtin:In Progress> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 1.9:Invalid> <MAAS 2.0:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536262>
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1536262 changed: dns-* e/n/i are misplaced <uosci> <curtin:In Progress> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 1.9:Invalid> <MAAS 2.0:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536262>
[17:48] <mup> Bug #1522910 changed: Default Flat partition scheme fails on efi - lacks /boot/efi <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1522910>
[17:48] <mup> Bug #1524500 changed: [xenial, 1.10] dhcpd.conf doesn't get created anymore <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524500>
[17:48] <mup> Bug #1524501 changed: [xenial, 1.10] dhcpd.conf doesn't get created anymore <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524501>
[20:24] <mup> Bug #1539248 opened: Subnet.objects.allocate_new should take a subnet and requested_address <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539248>
[20:30] <mup> Bug #1539248 changed: Subnet.objects.allocate_new should take a subnet and requested_address <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539248>
[20:33] <mup> Bug #1539248 opened: Subnet.objects.allocate_new should take a subnet and requested_address <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539248>
[22:06] <mup> Bug #1539277 opened: [1.10, 2.0] MAAS UI is not available immediately after install <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539277>
[22:42] <mup> Bug #1539292 opened: 1.9: Stale view while deleting a server - no way to tell that operation is in progress <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539292>
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1539292 changed: 1.9: Stale view while deleting a server - no way to tell that operation is in progress <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539292>
[23:04] <mup> Bug #1539292 opened: 1.9: Stale view while deleting a server - no way to tell that operation is in progress <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539292>
[23:07] <mup> Bug #1539292 changed: 1.9: Stale view while deleting a server - no way to tell that operation is in progress <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539292>
[23:10] <mup> Bug #1539292 opened: 1.9: Stale view while deleting a server - no way to tell that operation is in progress <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539292>


[12:04] <Balsaq> if i change my ubuntu to edubuntu...what exactly am i doing? is it just the design of the desktop environment?
[12:04] <Balsaq> and i realize that i chose the grade level of the kids
[12:04] <Balsaq> choose*
[14:26] <LaserJock> hello Edubuntuland
[15:04] <mhall119> hey, it's LaserJock
[15:05] <mhall119> where have you been man?
[15:11] <LaserJock> workin'
[15:11] <LaserJock> been pretty busy with research
[15:12] <LaserJock> mhall119: how you been?
[15:13] <mhall119> good good
[15:13] <mhall119> going back to school now
[15:14] <mhall119> getting ready for 6 crazy months of Qimo and Edubuntu hacking
[16:08] <LaserJock> mhall119: what are you studying?
[16:55] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock, good to see you here again
[16:57] <mhall119> LaserJock: Information Technology, a rather boring subject, but I mostly just wanted a 4-year degree
[16:59] <LaserJock> mhall119: makes sense
[16:59] <LaserJock> mhall119: I spent my first semester in college as an IT major
[17:00] <mhall119> learning about Singularity now, the only interesting class I've got this semester
[17:00] <LaserJock> but then I took General Chemistry and spent the next 11 years dealing with the consequences ;-)
[17:00] <mhall119> lol
[17:00] <mhall119> Chem2 kicked my butt
[17:00] <mhall119> as did Calc2
[17:01] <mhall119> now I'm just being bored to death by IT Ethics and IT Software Engineering
[17:01] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hey there, I'm having a lazy saturday and thought I'd drop by
[17:02] <LaserJock> mhall119: I have the luck/curse of generally never being bored with any class
[17:03] <LaserJock> it's good for getting a degree out of the way, not so great for trying to focus
[17:03] <mhall119> luck I'd say
[17:03] <LaserJock> even now that I made it through the PhD I find so many other things fascinating
[17:04] <LaserJock> if I could afford it I really would be a career student I think :-)
[17:04] <LaserJock> learning is much more fun than doing ;-)
[17:05] <mhall119> Guyver: learning is fun, doing tedious work and regurgitating lines from a book, not so fun
[17:06] <LaserJock> true
[17:06] <LaserJock> probably a lot depends on the teachers
[17:06] <mhall119> yeah, I have one teacher I really like, and another I really hate
[17:06] <mhall119> the others I'm indifferent to
[17:08] <mhall119> now I have an interesting subject (Singularity), but I have to make a bunch of boring power point slides talking about it
[17:09] <mhall119> best class in the world would be a group of geeks in a room with a whiteboard and an endless supply of coffee
[17:10] <LaserJock> heh
[17:11] <LaserJock> mhall119: so how's Qimo going?
[17:15] <mhall119> very well, released version 2 back in April, planning on version 3 and integrating it with Edubuntu 11.04 at UDS
[17:29] <LaserJock> cool