[09:44] <mvo> jibel: hi, I was looking at the adt output and something looks a bit suspicious http://paste.ubuntu.com/1196352/ - are you aware of this? in the software-center ouptut
[11:53] <jibel> mvo, Hey, am I aware of the failure of s-c tests or "chmod: cannot access `/var/crash/*': No such file or directory" ?
[11:54] <jibel> the latter uses || true so it is not fatal if there is no crash file
[12:21] <mvo> jibel: hm, ok, odd, it seems to exit with exit-code 4 before actually running any tests
[12:25] <jibel> mvo, I believe it is because the script is run with -x, output goes to stderr and is  considered as a failure per dep8 spec.
[12:25] <jibel> mvo, it is pure speculation and unverified
[15:28] <smartboyhw> balloons: ping?
[15:36] <smartboyhw> balloons: PING?
[15:52] <balloons> knome, phillw, noskcaj, pleia2 looks looks like an exciting weekend
[16:06] <SergioMeneses> balloons, did you participate of the ugj?
[16:06] <SergioMeneses> hello, btw
[16:09] <balloons> SergioMeneses, yes.. I setup some stuff to help give people some QA stuff to do, but pleia2 executed on it :-) so props to her!
[16:09] <balloons> also, I helped my wife make some cupcakes to celebrate ubuntu
[16:09] <SergioMeneses> :O
[16:09] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/104307250302998042813/posts/aMB1wGb4G8P
[16:10] <SergioMeneses> cupcakes :)
[16:10] <balloons> yes, I forgot.. I really have to show knomehis logo in a cupcake
[16:12] <SergioMeneses> mmm... that reminds me I have to download the daily
[16:22] <balloons> SergioMeneses, were you able to celebrate ubuntu?
[16:27] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I didn't I was working all saturday :S
[16:28] <balloons> sorry to hear that :-(
[16:28] <balloons> but your still at it now :-)
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure
[16:30] <SergioMeneses> I expect to make more contributions:  testing, translations or bugs
[16:31] <SergioMeneses> balloons, are you part of ubuntu-laptop-testing?
[16:31] <balloons> SergioMeneses, no.. I only have a chromebook atm
[16:31] <balloons> but I do run ubuntu on it.. heh
[16:31] <SergioMeneses> :O
[16:55] <pleia2> it was fun :) not many people ended up actually using the global jam packages testing but people thought it was cool and a nice option if they weren't installing on hardware or in a VM (most were)
[17:28] <balloons> pleia2, :-) Just happy wanted to give folks options.. glad things workedout
[18:03] <wxl> win 2
[18:03] <wxl> oops
[21:02] <silverarrow> is anyone on lubuntu here?
[21:02] <silverarrow> oh, sorry, wrong room
[21:07] <phillw> silverarrow: well, I am here, but #lubuntu is the best channel :)
[21:08] <silverarrow> arguably
[21:09] <phillw> he he, else use the QA Mailng list if it is QA / Bug related.
[21:09] <phillw> *L-QA*
[21:11] <phillw> silverarrow: wxl and unit193 appear as on-line
[21:20] <silverarrow> I suddenly had gnome mplayer steaming the local tv channel here
[21:20] <silverarrow> not sure why it worked but it did
[21:21] <silverarrow> I messed it up though
[21:22] <silverarrow> I had installed Totem to see if it was any difference
[21:23] <silverarrow> it wasn`t really
[21:24] <silverarrow> I could open gnome mplayer trough double finger clicking on the  black totem screen
[21:24] <silverarrow> that is how I discovered it suddenly worked
[21:25] <silverarrow> not sure why it did now, because I had tried before
[21:25] <silverarrow> I got the idea to get gnome mplayer back to default player in browser
[21:25] <silverarrow> and ruined the whole thing
[21:25] <silverarrow> now there are no player in browser at all
[21:25] <silverarrow> !"#¤%&/(
[21:27] <phillw> hmm.. well there is an old saying... "If it ain't broken, don't try and fix it".
[21:28] <phillw> silverarrow: can you repeat the experiment?
[21:28] <silverarrow> well it was a bit cumbersom setup
[21:29] <silverarrow> i have to don`t I
[21:29] <phillw> detail everything!
[21:29] <silverarrow> I am not a wizz like you
[21:29] <silverarrow> I use package manager lol
[21:30] <phillw> silverarrow: I'm no wizz, I assure you. Just write down everything you do. It may be of help to the devs, as they can put traces on as to what the steps do.
[21:30] <silverarrow> and I call on lasall for help
[21:30] <silverarrow> and you
[21:31] <silverarrow> I have been on this for ages
[21:31] <silverarrow> It`s just that I had a feeling it was sooooo close to working
[21:32] <phillw> even if they cannot get too much info from it; you have a proposed work around, which is always good until a bug is squished.
[21:32] <balloons> repeatability is the key
[21:32] <balloons> if you can repeat it, it's much easier to understand and fix
[21:32] <silverarrow>  I know what I have done sort of
[21:32] <phillw> silverarrow: say hello to the boss of QA :)
[21:32] <silverarrow> which apps and packages I have installed
[21:33] <silverarrow> hi balloons
[21:33] <phillw> silverarrow: detail everything you do, on a per click basis. It will be a long list; but it must have EVERYTHING detailed in it.
[21:34] <silverarrow> oh
[21:34] <silverarrow> I see
[21:34] <phillw> every letter, which sites etc.
[21:34] <silverarrow> I shall do that
[21:34] <balloons> phillw, lol
[21:34] <balloons> silverarrow, hello
[21:35] <silverarrow> getting gnome player to work would be a big plus for ppc linux
[21:35] <phillw> balloons: silverarrow is a new member of Lubuntu testing, you saw him last when we 'kidnapped' this channel for the ppc testing session.
[21:36] <balloons> yes I remember
[21:41] <silverarrow> I think the issue can be related to identification or handeling of different codecs
[21:44] <phillw> silverarrow: I've got be honest... I'm not a fan of g-media player. I use VLC as it installs with the codecs. This is not allowed under *buntu as some codecs are not open source. did you install the lubuntu-restricted-extras package before you installed totem, etc? This is the information the devs do need.
[21:46] <silverarrow> well, I would be happy with vlc too, if it worked
[21:46] <silverarrow> it just doesn`t
[21:47] <phillw> silverarrow: so, you seem to have the best option... just don't break it again :P
[21:47] <silverarrow> yes, all conceivable packages and extras
[21:47] <silverarrow> however, the totem install must have done something
[21:48]  * silverarrow is of to reinstall totem packages
[21:48] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed it must. So write everything down, including when you go to make a cup of coffee. It has to be repeatable
[21:48] <silverarrow> I wonder why gnone mplayer has to be on top of totem to stream though ?
[21:49] <phillw> silverarrow: that is  not for us to work out... that's why we have devs :D
[21:50] <silverarrow> lubuntu ppc has a life of it`s own
[21:50] <silverarrow> not even the devs have a clue
[21:50] <phillw> for bug hunting, they are like Johnny 5 .... need input :D
[21:50] <silverarrow> lol
[21:52] <phillw> silverarrow: Julien runs ppc under a VM, it is he who wrote up the qemu stuff for the testing page. You guys with that actual hardware have to give the devs every scrap of information you have.
[21:57] <silverarrow> I am always very impressed by these guys
[21:59] <phillw> they are a part of makes ubuntu, but they freely say that if it were not for the testers, releases would not happen.
[21:59] <phillw> we are a family, each doing their best.
[21:59] <silverarrow> and it works !!!!!
[22:01] <silverarrow> maybe it is the totem mozilla plugin that works and gnome sort of works through totem?
[22:02] <silverarrow> I know some of the mozilla plugin packages are broken for ppc
[22:02] <silverarrow> like gnash
[22:03] <silverarrow> I will happily do testing
[22:04] <silverarrow> these old ppcs, take a minute to boot
[22:04] <silverarrow> the new ones like 18 seconds
[22:05] <phillw> indeed, can you post up what you did to L-QA mailing list so the other ppc testers can confirm, thanks.
[22:06] <silverarrow> oh yes, the mailing list, I don`t think I ever got on it
[22:06] <phillw> silverarrow: at the point of ppc's we are not attempting to break world records of fastest booting computer :D
[22:06] <silverarrow> no lol
[22:06] <phillw> silverarrow: join https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[22:07] <silverarrow> I am not bothered by one minute though
[22:07] <phillw> i'll approve as soon as it arrives on my system.
[22:09] <silverarrow> there
[22:10] <silverarrow> ubuntu can`t be any worse than debian really
[22:10] <phillw> silverarrow: 2blue?
[22:10] <silverarrow> yes
[22:10] <phillw> approved
[22:10] <silverarrow> I registered ages ago, and sort of forgot about it
[22:11] <silverarrow> then when I returned to ubuntu i registered on irc, not even thinking about any connection
[22:11] <phillw> join the mailing list, QA is not that busy a listing but it is the haunt of ppc people
[22:11] <silverarrow> and I got tired of the 2blue nick lol
[22:12] <phillw> the devs are also on that list, so we can directly flag them when needed.
[22:12] <silverarrow> my name is arild
[22:12] <phillw> *L-QA*
[22:13] <phillw> I saw at the application, hence my asking if it was the correct person :)
[22:15] <silverarrow> is there a way for me to have my name in stead of the old nick?
[22:15] <silverarrow> never mind, not that important
[22:28] <phillw> silverarrow: you can change your https://launchpad.net/~arild-lindseth name by begging on the #launchpad channel (I use begging loosely, but you do have to ask really nicely and be patient).
[22:29] <silverarrow> I will
[22:29] <silverarrow> thanks
[22:30] <phillw> as you only have one registered channel, they should be able to do it. You would then need to re apply for L-QA membership from what I understand of how it all works. Let them know I am okay with that.
[22:40] <silverarrow> do I post my findings on gnome mplayer on the mailinglist ?
[22:41] <silverarrow> is that the correct use of it I mean?
[22:41] <phillw> silverarrow: yes please. How did you get on with #launchpad?
[22:41] <silverarrow> I just logged in
[22:41] <silverarrow> I made an account ages go
[22:42] <silverarrow> not using it that much really
[22:42] <silverarrow> there used to be more bugs then I think
[22:42] <phillw> silverarrow: posting up test results that cannot be fully put into a bug report is a perfect way of honing the bug down. Once it has been refined, a bug report can be raised.
[22:43] <silverarrow> should I address it to one of the ppc guys?
[22:43] <silverarrow> which of them care about ppc and mplayer?
[22:44] <phillw> nope, L-QA is a small mailing list, just title it as PPC and mplayer so the PPC guys know it is more important to them.
[22:44] <phillw> silverarrow: we're currently at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[22:45] <phillw> A bug will have to be raised once we are settled on it and it can be repeated.
[22:45] <silverarrow> I can`t really
[22:45] <silverarrow> I am happy to test though as soon as I can install
[22:45] <silverarrow> for the 12.10 version
[22:46] <silverarrow> I have the 1.0.6 packages of gnome and gecko, but I am still in 12.04
[22:46] <silverarrow> the testing was live cd earlier
[22:47] <phillw> that is why I said to email up your findings so the other testers can have a 'play' with it :)
[22:48] <silverarrow> and I don`t think the installer bug has been fixed,
[22:48] <silverarrow> I am rather eager to install the 12.10 beta
[22:49] <silverarrow> I totally ditched osx and went for lubuntu
[22:49] <silverarrow> not many does that
[22:49] <silverarrow> even on ppc
[22:50] <silverarrow> oh, of course
[22:51] <phillw> silverarrow: the installer bugs both fell on about the same day, two different bugs; both were killers. We were unfortunate that two critical bugs took out the same architecture. My friend, I assure you that we went beyond the absolute time cut off before we had to say we did not a have a ppc for Beta 1.
[22:52] <phillw> But, as the boss said... it is only Beta 1, we have a Beta2 coming up at end of month & there is a commitment to squish both. In two - three days of them both landing, we simply ran out of time.
[22:54] <phillw> the installer bugs are both critical, and are being treated as such.
[23:22] <silverarrow> I see
[23:22] <silverarrow> beta 2 should be sufficient hopefully
[23:22] <silverarrow> there is no way about the installer bug?
[23:29] <phillw> silverarrow: the x.org one does not appear what was 1st thought.
[23:30] <phillw> something changed that affected the hardware but not the VM's. This is why it is so critical for you with the hardware to detail stuff up for the devs.
[23:31] <phillw> There is no doubt it is a regression, but on what... we need to find out.
[23:33] <phillw> alpha 3 installed okay. Beta 1 does not, so something got majorly broken.
[23:34] <phillw> balloons: btw, what is the word on switching from milestone to cadence testing?
[23:53] <wxl> o/
[23:53]  * wxl pokes silverarrow


[15:44] <IdleOne> Joyeux Noel et Merry Christmas!
[15:44] <IdleOne> Hope you all have a fantastic day.


[15:38] <charlie-tca> A nice surprise. Dasher will input directly into VBox when I am running a test install
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Cheri703: for my stiff fingers today, the vertical mouse is great!
[15:43] <Cheri703> \o/ yay! I'm happy that it's helpful for you!
[15:44] <Cheri703> I'd think that being able to transfer the bulk of the movement to larger muscles (vs just fingers for a trackball) would help at least sometimes
[15:44] <charlie-tca> It rally is much better then a normal mouse, but it does have a learning curve
[15:45] <charlie-tca> it does help. My fingers are so stiff with arthritus today, I can't bend them
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Users have to want to relearn to use this, though. It takes a while to get used to it
[15:46] <charlie-tca> The big issue seems to be size, it is available in large and small models, this is the small, and I wear a size medium glove. It might be too small for me
[15:47] <Cheri703> good to know about the learning curve
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Well, it is pricey, so if you go with it, it is sometimes iffy that they want to learn something different.
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Cheri703: It might be the missing finger on my right-hand messing with the size here too
[15:51] <Cheri703> hmm...could be
[15:51] <Cheri703> well, I'm glad to hear that overall it's working for you at this point :)
[15:52] <Cheri703> I'm off to volunteer my services for a bit. I'll look forward to further updates :)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:13] <Pendulum> just as a heads up here, I'm off to Maine until about the 10th
[16:13] <Pendulum> will be on e-mail, but probably not IRC
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: good luck
[16:14] <charlie-tca> have fun, if possible
[16:16] <TheMuso> hey folks.
[16:16] <Pendulum> I will!
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Hello, TheMuso
[16:16] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: staying at http://www.rockyshorerentals.com/listing-sea-spray-cottage-5.html
[16:16] <Pendulum> I'm excited!
[16:16] <charlie-tca> TheMuso: Are we going to have an accessible install for alpha2?
[16:16] <Pendulum> (once I got over the 'you gave me 24 hours to pack for Maine?!' bit)
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Ah, minor details!
[16:17] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: At this stage, I don't think so, i am currently working on the profile code for the first screen, and running into a few mall issues that I am still debugging. I'd say the code will land right after alpha 2.
[16:17] <TheMuso> it will also take time for Colin/Evan to review my code as well.
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Works for me.
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: Wow!
[16:18] <charlie-tca> nice place
[16:18] <TheMuso> The ubiquity a11y stuff is pretty much the only thing I am working on this week.
[16:19] <TheMuso> But I am also talking to folks about Unity 2D accessibility.
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Great! We want everything this time, if possible.
[16:21] <TheMuso> I think that will be much more possible with Unity 2D than it will 3D, at least this cycle.
[16:21] <TheMuso> However I am going to continue to bang on Unity 3D in my own time, and try and help things move forwrad.
[16:21] <TheMuso> forward
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Thank you. You do good work! I wish I could help with it, but my coding skills are severely lacking
[16:24] <TheMuso> Thanks. I have come to the conclusion that if programming doesn't come easily to you, then its tedious, and it depends on how well you are able to think through program design and logic.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> I used to be able to do that, but my brain is too rattled now to follow it. I keep trying though. Maybe that will come back eventually.
[16:25] <TheMuso> I understand.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:25] <TheMuso> I really have to push myself sometimes to do what needs to be done to code.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:25] <TheMuso> As it certainly doesn't come naturally to me.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> It can be that way. Most people are not as logical as code.
[16:26] <TheMuso> Yep.
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Well, I better go cut the grass, again.
[16:26] <TheMuso> I think you really should start out reading and understanding code before you try modifying it.
[16:26] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: No problem.
[16:27] <charlie-tca> By all means. Those who can not read and understand it already, should not be touching it
[16:27] <charlie-tca> That often does more damage than good
[16:27] <TheMuso> yep
[20:52] <phillw> hiyas charlie-tca are you mad busy, medium busy or have 5 minutes to spare?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> playing catchup; been gone all morning
[20:53] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[20:54] <phillw> a quick PM whenever you have chance, for a change good tidings :)


[09:35] <apw> do we have a launchpad team for the kernel stable team ?
[10:09] <smb> apw, Hm, I don't think so
[14:12] <JFo> mutt is making me crazy
[14:14] <tgardner> JFo, excessive tail wagging ?
[14:14] <JFo> tgardner, I wish... a friends cat decided to sit on my keyboard the other day and it has been wonky ever since
[14:15] <JFo> likely it was sitting on it because there was a mutt running :-)
[14:15] <tgardner> ho ho
[14:15] <JFo> yeah, kitty almost met wal, but I wasn't going for distance :-D
[14:15] <JFo> wal*
[14:15] <JFo> grrr
[14:15] <JFo> wall*
[14:16] <JFo> but it is doing stupid things... like it will show me that there is one new message in a folder and then, when I go to that folder, there will be more.
[14:16] <smb> kitty could see into future and had revenge before that
[14:16] <JFo> so it seems :)
[14:17] <JFo> another thing it will do is, while I am reading messages, one of the messages won't open when I get to it and mutt will say something like "can't open temporary file"
[14:17] <JFo> there are other oddities like that too
[14:17] <JFo> really annoying
[14:18] <JFo> I'll show you at UDS, I'm sure I won't have solved it by then
[14:35] <ogasawara> hrm, no bjf.  perfect, he can't object to me giving him a work item then :)
[14:36] <ogasawara> pgraner: work item definition error should be fixed now, let me know if you're still getting spammed
[14:36] <tgardner> ogasawara, assignment in absentia
[14:36] <pgraner> ogasawara, thanks
[14:37] <ogasawara> JFo: the work item in your bug handling spec -> "[SRU Team] Develop/define process to address SRU release bugs.:TODO"
[14:37] <pgraner> ogasawara, thanks all I had was my phone until just now
[14:38] <pgraner> ogasawara, Oh so JFo broke it....
[14:38] <ogasawara> JFo: "SRU Team" isn't actually a valid launchpad ID, so I switched it to bjf for now
[14:38] <tgardner> pgraner, short flight? your calendar indicates you should be over Kansas or Nebraska by now.
[14:38] <pgraner> ogasawara, don't we have a kernel-sru lp team?
[14:39] <pgraner> tgardner, wifi on the plane
[14:39] <ogasawara> pgraner: I don't think so
[14:39] <ogasawara> sconklin: is there a kernel-sru lp team?
[14:39] <pgraner> ogasawara, I thought we did or maybe that was a project
[14:39] <tgardner> ah, anyways it would be out of your way to fly over those states on your way to Dallas.
[14:39] <pgraner> tgardner, yea I'm over tenn now or so the pilot said
[14:41] <ogasawara> tgardner: I've got the gcc error on arm fixed up only to run into the next build error.  am about to kick off a test build that hopefully resolves it.  Assuming that's the last of them, I'm gonna upload.
[14:42] <tgardner> ogasawara, ack. I was gonna ask you when you planned to upload, but as usual you're right on top of things.
[14:44] <pgraner> tgardner, are you set to run the daily kernel roundtables at UDS since I'll be off with QA?
[14:44] <tgardner> pgraner, guess I'll get that way.
[14:45] <pgraner> tgardner, :)
[14:45] <tgardner> pgraner, I may delegate once or twice since there are a couple of conflicting sessions, or at least there were a couple of days ago.
[14:46] <pgraner> tgardner, ack
[14:46] <JFo> ogasawara, sorry, I am still not getting ping notifications
[14:47] <JFo> ogasawara, switching that is cool with me :-)
[14:47] <JFo> I didn't even think of that existing
[14:53] <sconklin> ogasawara: there's the kernel-sru-workflow team, that's used for maintenance of the process tools, not sure that's what you want.
[14:54] <ogasawara> sconklin: basically JFo has a work item on his bug handling spec that I think he wanted assigned to the kernel-sru team.  I've temporarily assigned it to bjf for now and I'll let him reassign accordingly
[14:55] <JFo> and for that matter, it may not even be necessary.
[14:55] <sconklin> ogasawara: ack
[14:55] <JFo> we can discuss at UDS
[15:09]  * ogasawara back in 20
[16:00] <ogasawara> tgardner: you said you pushed the -rc6 rebase to oneiric master-next right?
[16:01]  * smb has been using it for a test
[16:02] <ogasawara> something doesn't seem right with it, for example the Makefile still claims it's -rc5 and I'm specifically looking for the changes in commit 498548ec69c6897fe4376b2ca90758762fa0b817 which should be in -rc6 and I'm not seeing it in master-next
[16:04] <smb> ogasawara, odd indeed, yeah. I was more interested in another one which was in there and also was supposed to me rc6 stuff
[16:05] <smb> So I did not check that closely
[16:09] <herton> ogasawara: may be related to this? https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/4/42 (tim may have pushed before linus fixed it)
[16:09] <smb> ogasawara, It looks like about 14 commits missing
[16:11] <ogasawara> herton: ah that's probably it
[16:11] <smb> sounds very possible
[16:14]  * ogasawara rebases master-next to pull in the missing bits
[16:19] <tgardner> ogasawara, doh! I didn't even check that I got the -rc6 tag. oops.
[16:19] <ogasawara> tgardner: no worries, I've just rebased, was painless
[16:20] <tgardner> ogasawara, you haven't pushed yet, right ?
[16:20] <ogasawara> tgardner: not yet, about to in 1min
[16:20] <tgardner> ogack
[16:20] <tgardner> ogasawara, ack
[16:28] <herton> bjf, sconklin: some nitpicking for you, bug 722185 can be marked as fixed after natty update to <IP_ADDRESS>, needs natty nomination etc. on it as well
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 722185 in linux "Regression: Does not list available WLAN networks (p54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722185
[16:30] <bjf> herton, thanks
[16:30] <herton> also bug 736490 is a duplicate of this
[16:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736490 in linux "[natty][p54usb] wifi cannot connect to the ap" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736490
[16:30] <herton> JFo: I think you could mark it as duplicate and triage 722185 to show on your hotlist right?
[16:31] <herton> I didn't mark as duplicate yet as I guess it'll drop from hotlist bugs, not sure
[16:31] <JFo> yep, I can do that herton :)
[16:31] <bjf> JFo, herton done
[16:31] <JFo> bjf, thanks
[16:31] <herton> thanks :)
[16:54] <jbarnes> apw: did you ever submit your fbcon race fix upstream?
[16:54] <jbarnes> would be cool to get it fixed for 2.6.39
[16:55] <tgardner> jbarnes, I've bugged him a couple of times about that, and some other patches. He's kind of tied up for the rest of this week, but I'll be sure to hassle him on Monday.
[16:55] <jbarnes> cool, thanks
[16:55] <smb> jbarnes, The real (non-bip) apw may or may not be listening. Me will try to if tgardner forgets
[16:56] <jbarnes> it's a good fix, much  more complete than mine
[16:56] <tgardner> jbarnes, yeah, it seems to be working well for us.
[16:58] <smb> tgardner, Are you arriving Sat or Sun ?
[16:58] <tgardner> smb, I should be at the hotel by noon Sat
[16:59] <smb> tgardner, Ah cool, I should be there a tad later. Landing around noon on Sat
[17:00] <JFo> I'll be there about 6:30PM on Sat
[17:00] <smb> JFo, Right in time for the b-meeting
[17:00] <JFo> ?
[17:00] <JFo> I thought that was Sunday?
[17:00] <smb> b= bar or beer at your choce
[17:00] <JFo> oh, yes.. just in time :-)
[17:17] <sforshee> JFo, looks like you and I have the same flight into BUD
[17:17] <JFo> sforshee, awesome
[17:17] <JFo> :)
[17:18] <JFo> what flight?
[17:18] <sforshee> AA6601/BA868
[17:18] <sforshee> there are others on that flight too
[17:19] <JFo> cool
[17:19] <JFo> we can hang out in Heathrow
[17:20] <sforshee> yep, hopefully it will help pass the time
[17:20] <sforshee> I'm going to be in Heathrow for a while :(
[17:21] <smb> Hopefully not as bad as the Portlanders had last time to arrive for Prague...
[17:22] <smb> or was that some other place...?
[17:22]  * smb tends to forget. Its travel...
[17:22] <JFo> looks like I have about 2 hours layover in LHR
[17:23] <JFo> smb, I'm the same way
[17:23] <sforshee> my layover there is 5 hours, total travel time is about 20
[17:24] <JFo> hmmm
[17:27] <JFo> need some food... back in a bit
[19:05]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:25] <JFo> just remembered I need to run some errands before I leave tomorrow and I am not likely to get to them tomorrow if I put them off.
[19:25] <JFo> bbiab
[19:36] <introiboad_> hi there, runnin linux-next (2.6.39-rc) on Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 using the stock ubuntu .config (updated with oldconfig) and the kernel boots fine but it looks like every time I invoke dmesg the system slows down to a crawl. Any ideas? much appreciated!
[20:03]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:28] <Kano> hi, now amd64 daily does not build, but at least i386
[22:07]  * ogasawara back on later


[08:48] <utkarsh2102> waveform: added you to ~motu and announced. sil2100, hopefully I've covered both the things, let me know if I'm missing anything. TIA! \o/
[12:05] <ahasenack> checking in for day 2 of +1 maintenance
[12:10] <sbraz> hi, is there a way to avoid the "File has unexpected size […]. Mirror sync in progress" errors on our Ubuntu mirrors? we only update them twice a day and apparently we sometimes sync them when the source rsync server is in a wrong state (or files changed during the rsync process, i'm not sure)
[12:13] <sbraz> ok from the logs i see that i started rsyncing, then the Release file changed during my sync :/
[12:21] <rbasak> I'm pretty sure it's possible to reliably sync without errors, but I'm not up to date with the tooling that makes that easy
[12:26] <sbraz> rbasak: the best idea i have right now would be to repeatedly rsync until it finds nothing to sync… but i don't know how long that would take
[12:29] <sbraz> > Do not use your own scripts, and do not just use single-pass rsyncs
[12:29] <sbraz> https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror
[12:29] <sbraz> i guess i'm just not using the right tool
[12:31] <rbasak> sbraz: yeah if you just rsync then you'll be reporting the availability of new debs to your consumers before they've actually arrived, and your consumers will get apt errors.
[12:32] <sbraz> rbasak: yeah makes total sense, i guess we're just lucky that we don't hit this very often, i'll read https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/archvsync/ which has more info about 2-stage sync and the files to exclude from the first stage
[13:58] <ahasenack> LocutusOfBorg: hi, did you understand why cmake is failing dep8 tests? I ran them in a lunar container with autopkgtest and I don't get the same badpkg, I don't quite understand what is going on
[13:58] <ahasenack> but seems related to curl
[13:59] <ahasenack> maybe re-run with all-proposed? But it could be days before we see a result
[14:00] <ahasenack> or maybe re-run with just curl from proposed
[14:04]  * ahasenack reruns with the exact same --apt-pocket cmdline
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ahasenack, already retried some hours ago
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> it was due to perl
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> I guess
[14:06] <ahasenack> I saw your retries
[14:06] <ahasenack> I'm testing locally
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> I uploaded perl rebuilds before openings, but sadly cmake was uploaded before it
[14:06] <ahasenack> do you have other retries queued up?
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> so, yes they need a retry and probably -proposed pocket is not needed anymore now
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> I already retried some perl and node stuff, but until queues settles down, I don't see much value in truing to find what needs a retry
[14:06] <ahasenack> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/cmake/lunar/amd64 shows two failed ones
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't even load the excuses page
[14:07] <ahasenack> (two failed retries from you, I mean)
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> so perl failed to use proposed perl
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> :/
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> retried
[14:13] <sbraz> rbasak: i can't find much doc about using ftpsync with ubuntu, i see the doc mentions debmirror, do you know anyone here who could answer as to what is the preferred method for ubuntu mirroring? i assume ftpsync works but i might as well use what every official mirror uses
[14:16] <ahasenack> LocutusOfBorg: this just work on a fresh lunar container (the target system): autopkgtest -o dep8 -B -U -s --apt-pocket=proposed=src:mercurial,src:check-manifest,src:cmake,src:composer,src:devpi-common,src:setuptools-scm  cmake -- ssh -H <IP_ADDRESS> -r --capability isolation-container --capability revert-full-system
[14:17] <ahasenack> I see your last failed retry used all-proposed
[14:17] <ahasenack> one of the other failed ones used the cmdline I pasted above (for --apt-pocket)
[14:22] <rbasak> sbraz: I'm aware of debmirror and apt-mirror but that's the limit of my knowledge, sorry.
[14:22] <rbasak> Something that's aware of by-hash would be ideal.
[14:22] <rbasak> But I don't know to what extent those tools have picked that up.
[14:23] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptByHash
[14:23] <ogra> sbraz, did you consider asking in #ubuntu-mirrors how others prevent this ?
[14:23] <rbasak> Apparently ubumirror exists as well
[14:24] <ogra> heh ... well, ubuntu-mirrors is linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[14:35] <sbraz> ogra: i wasn't aware of this chan, i'll join it, thanks
[14:36] <sbraz> that wiki page links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/Scripts which contains interesting tools as well
[14:37] <ogra> yep 🙂
[14:37] <ogra> (and unlike 99.9% of the ubuntu wiki pages, this one seems to actualy be well up to date)


[09:00] <akgraner> what channel is the uds-desktop discussion on parental control using
[09:00] <akgraner> I am listening to it right now
[10:26] <towolf> how do i get gdm on vt1? i set FirstVT=1 in gdm.conf-custom, but now it comes up in vt8 for some reason.
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> towolf - you want #ubuntu for support
[10:30] <towolf> chrisccoulson: ok, i’ll give it a shot.
[12:06] <maxb> Can anyone point me to where the "Start metacity when compiz crashes" logic lives?
[20:39] <salty-horse> what causes an app to choose the image in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/ over the one in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/ as its icon?
[20:47] <dobey> salty-horse: icon for what?
[20:47] <salty-horse> some non-ubuntu package. (dropbox)
[20:47] <salty-horse> I'm asking a general gnome question, I guess
[20:47] <dobey> apps just request a name and size, so it's probably requesting an icon of that size
[20:48] <dobey> not that the dropbox icon is used anywhere that 48px would make sense in most of the ui
[20:48] <dobey> maybe in its about box if it has one
[20:48] <salty-horse> I'm talking about the icon that appears in the alt+tab switcher
[20:49] <salty-horse> it shows a highly-pixelated image
[20:49] <dobey> that's the window manager's fault then, or maybe dropbox as well.
[20:50] <salty-horse> or it's probably defined in the application itself
[20:50] <salty-horse> thanks
[20:50] <salty-horse> I think I found it in the source code
[20:50] <dobey> if dropbox isn't setting the window icon properly
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> salty-horse - i think the application should call gtk_window_set_icon to define the icon shown by the WM
[21:01] <salty-horse> chrisccoulson, yup, I found the place where the app does that. it has the low-res icon encoded in its bowels
[21:01] <salty-horse> thanks!
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> yw


[08:07] <Regor> i want offline british english  dictionary package to use on default xfce-dictionary . so what package do i need to install ?
[09:19] <tomreyn> Regor: probably one of the wbritish* packages
[09:20] <tomreyn> i'm assuming that xfce-dictionary talks to the dictd (local) dictionary server, and thus needs dictionaries in this format
[09:44] <Regor> yeah
[09:47] <tomreyn> Regor: actually, i'm not sure the wbritish* dictionaries are for use with dictd, sorry. but if you search apt for 'dict' you'll certainly find something suitable.
[09:48] <Regor> xfce-dict...docs says  "On Debian and Ubuntu-like systems these packages are called dict-wn (WordNet), dict-jargon, dict-de-en or similar. Basically it is enough to install the dictd packages along with some dictionaries to get a running local server. In the Xfce4-dict preferences dialog, simply use localhost as the server name."
[09:48] <tomreyn> dictd-dictionaries would install to /usr/share/dictd/ ( so *not* /usr/share/dict/ )
[09:49] <Regor> ok
[09:51] <Regor> currently it works online only .
[09:54] <tomreyn> try this: apt search --names-only '^dict-'
[09:55] <Regor> yah..i got one.. now installed ..
[09:55] <Regor> dictd
[09:56] <tomreyn> dictd is the server enabling dict clients to query the dictionaries installed on the server.
[09:56] <Regor> yeah..i see info
[09:56] <tomreyn> the xubuntu gui you're using there should be a dict client, IIRC
[09:57] <Regor> yes..its default
[09:58] <tomreyn> i'm not sure which of these are specifically british but i assume one or two will be
[09:58] <Regor> yeah.
[14:03] <xubuntu24w> Hello
[14:03] <GridCube> hi xubuntu24w
[14:03] <xubuntu24w> I have an issue that I am wondering if others have had
[14:03] <GridCube> !ask
[14:04] <xubuntu24w> I am trying to access FTP in Thunar with Xubuntu, and tried the FTP with a live boot of Peppermint OS, and both connect to FTP, but the file listing is totally blank.
[14:04] <xubuntu24w> SFTP works fine, it's just FTP
[14:05] <xubuntu24w> I have Googled this like crazy looking for a solution but have seen/found nothing yet
[14:50] <tomreyn> xubuntu24w: maybe firewalls are getting in the way. read up on active and passive (PASV) transfer modes. ftp is an ancient protocol with some problems, such as lack of thorough encryption and the need to have firewall support in some scenarios.
[14:50] <tomreyn> sftp is indeed preferrable in those aspects.
[14:51] <tomreyn> (which is actually a very different protocols, which just pretends to be similar)
[14:51] <tomreyn> * protocol, singular
[16:30] <xubuntu41w> xubuntu starts muted, every time i turn on my computer, i need to change volume in pulseaudio to "solve" this problem
[21:20] <xubuntu32m> hello


[17:19] <mario_limonciell> bryce, is this the only patch that was necessary for enabling cantiga, or am I missing something else? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=commitdiff;h=60a380c225d2228f556a9e6f7cc0f6a31c9fd933
[18:56] <bryce> mario_limonciell: here I'll email you the (pre-validation) kernel code I was sent
[18:59] <bryce> I followed the directions in that email on the system with fresh Hardy 8.04.0, and it came up without any further changes needed
[19:36] <mario_limonciell> thanks bryce


[07:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: I've bumped the packaging on https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/catfish, if you'd like to sponsor it. If not, I can track down somebody else. :)
[07:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: I can sponsor, though since I can't commit, you'll have to tag/etc.  Are you intending to start using a different email address, or was that entered in error?
[07:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, slowly but surely I'm trying to kill off my gmail address
[07:55] <Unit193> Might want to update the maintainer address then?
[07:57] <bluesabre> Good catch. Updated.
[07:58] <bluesabre> Oh, jk
[07:58] <bluesabre> Got more to update :D
[08:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: alrighty, I think that should do it.
[08:08] <Unit193> Cool, that works for me.
[08:08] <Unit193> So just s/UNRELEASED/unstable/, let you commit and tag?
[08:09] <bluesabre> Yep, that works for me!
[08:10] <Unit193> Done.
[08:10] <Unit193> I just did two uploads myself, too.
[08:10] <bluesabre> Nice, what'd you upload?
[08:12] <Unit193> Meh, just inxi and gallery-dl, but testssl.sh and passwdqc are pending too.
[08:13] <bluesabre> Cool. inxi is something I use more frequently than I would have imagined, very handy to have.
[08:14] <bluesabre> gallery-dl sounds neat
[08:16] <Unit193> "It's like youtube-dl but for images!" :P  Well hey, glad you like it.
[08:18] <bluesabre> :D
[08:18] <bluesabre> And thanks for the upload, its appreciated!
[08:26] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[15:29] <jphilips> bluesabre: what's needed to get the gnome software fixed in the next release of 20.04?
[21:59] <jk> qatracker testcase "Live Session in Xubuntu Desktop amd64 in Impish Daily" Because I am unfamiliar with many of the default applications, I wonder what he best method for me to execute "Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run"
[22:00] <jk> whoops my message was truncated: Live Session in Xubuntu Desktop amd64 in Impish Daily
[22:01] <jk> qatracker question


[02:17] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~carlfk  "Summary ...<PHONE_NUMBER>48 302548
[02:17] <CarlFK> should that be listed 3 times?
[02:28] <CarlFK> huh - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mandriva/+bug/254668?comments=all bottom says "Report another bug             about Mandriva"
[02:28] <CarlFK> mandriva?
[02:34] <micahg> CarlFK: madriva's another linux distro
[02:39] <CarlFK> yeah, kinda surprised me, but I gues
[14:13] <fale> hi
[14:13] <fale> I have a problem with dput and soyuz
[14:14] <fale> I'm trying to upload a big (39Mb) package on launchpad. It stops the upload 1kb before the end and hangs. How can I solve?
[14:18] <thekorn> fale: there is already a bugreport about it, let me find it
[14:18] <fale> thekorn: thankyou :)
[14:18] <thekorn> fale: bug 251685
[14:19] <fale> thekorn: than... no solution?
[14:20] <thekorn> fale: looks like no solution, yet
[14:21] <fale> thekorn: :(
[14:22] <bigjools> fale: why is it so big?  is it an orig file that you could re-use from somewhere else perhaps?
[14:24] <fale> bigjools: is the libboost package... and I have found no way to split it
[14:24] <bigjools> fale: what files are you uploading exactly?
[14:26] <fale> bigjools: libboost_1.40
[14:26] <fale> or you means extentions?
[14:26] <bigjools> presumably you have a .dsc, a .orig.tar.gz and a diff?
[14:27] <fale> I have: .dsc, .build, .changes and .tar.gz
[14:27] <bigjools> I can check to see if the orig is already in the librarian so you could re-use it
[14:27] <bigjools> what is the full file name of your tar.gz?
[14:28] <fale> bigjools: boost1.40_1.40.0-2ubuntu0.tar.gz
[14:28] <fale> bigjools: there shouldn't be, because I imported it from debian because in ubuntu we are still at libboost 1.38
[14:29] <bigjools> ok no orig just a native tar
[14:30] <bigjools> something that has worked for others is to upload from a different IP address
[14:40] <Remaille> hi all
[14:40] <Remaille> I have a folder containing source code and i would like to "push" it onto launchpad
[14:40] <Remaille> for the very firt time
[14:41] <beuno> Remaille, so you haven't versioned it with bzr yet?
[14:41] <Remaille> no
[14:41] <maxb> What is so special about the last 1K? Is poppy trying to something specially-clever?
[14:41] <beuno> Remaille, https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto
[14:41] <fale> bigjools: thankyou... I'll try it ;)
[14:41] <bigjools> fale: np
[14:41] <Remaille> beuno, thanks, the page i missed :)
[14:42] <bigjools> maxb: last I heard it was a problem in the zope ftp server code
[14:42] <bigjools> cprov started a re-write in twisted
[14:42] <bigjools> gonna have to get him to do some weekend hacking :)
[14:44] <beuno> Remaille, let me know if you run into any problems
[14:44] <Remaille> thanks a lot
[14:48] <Remaille> I have this lp:~linuxedu/+junk/sadms-fr
[14:48] <Remaille> +junk stands for whhat ?
[14:48] <Remaille> am i uploading junk ?! ;-)
[14:49] <beuno> Remaille, you use +junk when you don't have a projeect
[15:48] <Remaille> thanks beuno , but it is a "proper"software
[15:48] <Remaille> working ok
[15:48] <beuno> Remaille, create a projec then
[15:48] <Remaille> but, is it important to vae it in junk or not ?
[15:48] <beuno> and push to it with:  lp:~user/projectname/branchname
[15:49] <Fly-Man-> Morning
[15:49] <Fly-Man-> is there something wrong with the VCS-imports ?
[15:49]  * Fly-Man- keeps seeing either errors or a pending review sign
[15:54] <Remaille> beuno, a "project" is different from a PPA ?
[15:54] <Remaille> I have this for now (thanks to you upload worked properly) : https://code.launchpad.net/~linuxedu
[15:55] <Remaille> this is supoosed to be owned by a team
[15:59] <Remaille> is a "project"="a branch" :-)
[16:01] <noodles775> Remaille: have you taken a look at https://launchpad.net/+tour/branch-hosting-tracking ? It outlines how a single project (say, for Mozilla Firefox) can have many branches.
[16:20] <Remaille> ok noodles775 thanks
[16:20] <Remaille> I knew nothing of LP yesterday :)
[16:32] <CarlFK> "             Displaying first 80             comments.                                             View all 125"
[16:33] <CarlFK> it would be nice to see the first X and the last X comments
[16:33] <CarlFK> where X is about 40 or something
[16:34] <AskHL_> Say I have a PPA package with a pure Python program for intrepid.  I would like the corresponding PPA for, say, jaunty.  As I have understood, this should be possible by just copying the package (as per the button in the Lauchpad interface) and specifying that the copy should be for jaunty.  But when doing this, the Changelog will still specify that the series is 'intrepid', and there will probably be other such problems in the remaining package f
[16:35] <Remaille> hi how could i delete a team ? (i am the owner)
[16:35] <Remaille> thanks
[16:35] <AskHL_> The straightforward way would be to create the jaunty package the same way as I created the intrepid package.  Is it better to do that?  (in general, I presume it is, because it may in fact depend on the distribution version)
[16:38] <Remaille> ok : https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/72902
[16:38] <noodles775> AskHL_: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[16:38] <Remaille> "asking an admin to do so" I will wait abit so
[16:38] <bigjools> AskHL_: it's fine to copy to promote the package to a new series
[16:38] <bigjools> AskHL_: in fact this is what the distro does
[16:41] <AskHL_> noodles775 and bigjools, thank you very much.
[17:13] <phuff> Any launchpad devs around that know how launchpad's openid implementation works?
[17:14] <phuff> We're trying to get sf.net compatible but it keeps saying that the openid urls we give it aren't valid.
[17:14] <lfaraone> jml: see above ^^^
[17:23] <jml> phuff, I think sinzui's the person to speak to.
[17:24] <james_w> phuff: are you giving it login.launchpad.net, your profile page, or your identity url?
[17:27] <phuff> james_w: I'm giving it https://launchpad.net/~phuff
[17:29] <james_w> phuff: I think I remember a year or so ago when trying to sign in yo sf that I had to use the identity url
[17:29] <james_w> but I'm not sure how to find what that is
[17:29] <james_w> and the help says that you can use sf with the url you are, so presumably someone tested that
[17:34] <phuff> Yeah, except we can't get it to work :)
[17:35] <phuff> james_w: This is the message I get:
[17:35] <phuff>  A site identifying as https://sourceforge.net  has asked us for confirmation that https://launchpad.net/~phuff  is your identity URL. However, that is not a valid Launchpad OpenID identity URL, such as https://launchpad.net/~USER
[17:35] <phuff>
[17:35] <phuff> :)
[17:37] <james_w> phuff: https://launchpad.net/~phuff is you?
[17:37] <james_w> does it say "OpenID login:" on that page for you?
[17:41] <phuff> Yeah
[17:41] <phuff> It does
[17:41] <phuff> That's where I got it from
[17:43] <jml> phuff, is this bug the one you're seeing? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/319614
[17:44] <james_w> jml: the openid help wiki page still points to an LP bug list for openid bugs, is that no longer correct?
[17:45] <jml> james_w, possibly not. I haven't been following the work, but we've been splitting the openid stuff out of Launchpad proper
[17:47] <phuff> jml: Yeah, that looks like the same message.
[17:48] <phuff> jml: I'll look into that now.
[17:48] <phuff> jml: Thanks
[17:49] <jml> phuff, fwiw, I'm back in the office tomorrow; once there, I'll be able to get explanations & answers more readily.
[17:52] <tim_blechmann> hi ... i am trying to upload a package to a ppa with dput ppa:<user>/<ppa> <source.changes> ... it gives me the error message "Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused" ... any idea?
[17:52] <bigjools> tim_blechmann: the ftp server has gone down, give me a moment to get it restarted
[17:52] <tim_blechmann> bigjools, thanks!
[17:54] <phuff> jml: Okay, I'll noodle on this for a bit and if I can't figure anything out I'll come back :)
[17:56] <jml> phuff, cool.
[17:57] <jml> phuff, fwiw, we have launchpad devs all over the world -- emailing launchpad-users or launchpad-dev can be a good way to make sure that all of them know about your suffering :)
[17:57] <phuff> jml: Okay :)
[18:02] <bigjools> tim_blechmann: should be up again
[18:07] <sinzui> phuff: jml: I really do not know much about openid. It (along with login and accounts) are owned by the launchpad foundations team. I have worked on openid, the the foundations team removed my work
[18:07] <jml> sinzui, good news for you then :)
[18:10] <phuff> Hah
[18:10] <phuff> Who's the launchpad foundations team?
[18:11] <sinzui> phuff: When I worked on it last year, your profile page contained an xrds instruction in the head that allowed  you to use that page to initiate login in another site. the hook was really nothing more than an openid approved redirect to https://login.launchpad.net/. The user URL does not work, or at least the one that I recall does not
[18:12] <phuff> ok
[18:13] <sinzui> phuff: I believe ~user should work. The main reason my work was removed was because it users wanted to launchpad as identity rather than security
[18:13] <phuff> ok
[18:14] <sinzui> I think I mean obscurity, not security. You are not anonymous using launchpad since your launchpad id is in the url
[19:27] <phuff> Ah I see
[19:31] <krow> Hi! Any thoughts/how to debug why LP is not downloading binaries from other sites?
[22:11] <wgrant> phuff: It's actually bug #449105, which was incorrectly marked as a duplicate.
[22:12] <sinzui> phuff: wgrant: I am branching for that bug now
[22:12] <lifeless> \o/
[22:12] <wgrant> sinzui: I would, but...
[22:13] <wgrant> Hm, why's it back on -foundations?
[22:13] <wgrant> Ah.
[22:13] <wgrant> What a strange abuse of task reassignment.
[22:13] <sinzui> because login/sso is foundation work
[22:14] <wgrant> But surely it belongs on c-i-p.
[22:14] <sinzui> Foundations are sprinting. Since I guessed the xrds is broken, I get to fix it
[22:14] <wgrant> sinzui: If you look in that bug, you'll see I identified and tested a fix already.
[22:14] <sinzui> wgrant: c-i-p does not use ~user. that is a launchpad social feature
[22:14] <wgrant> sinzui: But the XRDS is served by the SSO server.
[22:15] <wgrant> Although I guess maybe ~user could link to its own.
[22:15] <sinzui> wgrant: 14 months ago the ~user page had a mixin that provided the needed metadata
[22:16] <sinzui> I do not know what is going on now, I just knew that the xrds is broken
[22:16] <wgrant> sinzui: It already does provide its own data, mostly. It just also links to the XRDS.
[22:18] <phuff> wgrant: It's actually a bug on our side
[22:18] <phuff> wgrant: I can fix it.
[22:18] <phuff> :)
[22:19] <phuff> We're not respecting xrds delegation correctly
[22:19] <sinzui> wgrant: I do not know how to fix this at this moment, not even readying your remarks. I have to empty myself of all my dislike of openid and SSO and launchpad account/profile separation before I can write a test to understand what is wrong
[22:19] <phuff> And you guys are doing <LocalId> in your xrds file
[22:19] <phuff> The error message is a bit confusing
[22:19] <phuff> But other than that, you're probably doing things right.
[22:21] <wgrant> phuff: The XRDS I see has no openid:Delegate or LocalId.
[22:24] <phuff> The XRDS for my account has a <LocalId> in it
[22:25] <phuff> Which points to something other than https://launchpad.net/~phuff
[22:25] <phuff> Which is why I assume it's dying.
[22:25] <phuff> But the error message is messed up
[22:26] <wgrant> I do not see the LocalId
[22:26] <phuff> See https://launchpad.net/~phuff/+xrds
[22:27] <wgrant> I didn't even know that existed. That's not the one that is linked to in the page.
[22:27] <wgrant> But that one does look correct.
[22:27] <sosborn> it's linked to in the headers
[22:27] <phuff> Hey there sosborn :)
[22:27] <phuff> sosborn works for sf.net too :)
[22:27] <sosborn> see curl -I https://launchpad.net/~osborn-steven
[22:27] <wgrant> Argh.
[22:27] <wgrant> So it is.
[22:28] <sosborn> X-Xrds-Location: https://launchpad.net/~osborn-steven/+xrds
[22:28] <wgrant> So the XRDS in the headers is different from the XRDS in the document.
[22:28] <wgrant> sinzui: ^^
[22:28] <phuff> Well, it looks like your header one is valid, we're just not parsing it correctly...
[22:28] <sosborn>   <meta http-equiv="X-XRDS-Location"
[22:28] <sosborn>             content="https://login.launchpad.net/+id/H8yy64p/+xrds" />
[22:29] <sosborn> lol I didn't even notice the meta tag was different
[22:29] <wgrant> sosborn: Right. If you look at that one, it omits the openid:Delegate and LocalIds.
[22:29] <sosborn> we're not actually doing discovery on them atm
[22:29] <wgrant> Aha.
[22:29] <sinzui> oh
[22:29] <phuff> Yeah, the spec says to give the http headers priority, right?
[22:30] <phuff> So the next question is who can get a fix out faster ;)
[22:30] <sosborn> Yah, I didn't implement the meta tag because I couldn't find a provider that used it and didn't pass the header along with it
[22:31] <sosborn> With Google your identity url is your XRDS file which is also unusual
[22:31] <sosborn> even with directed identity
[22:31] <lifeless> openid has cruft already?
[22:31] <phuff> openid was _born_ with cruft ;)
[22:31] <phuff> Oh maybe you meant the launchpad implementation :)
[22:32] <sosborn> it's pretty much cruft + superglue and ductape
[22:32] <lifeless> No, the spec ;)
[22:32] <sinzui> we hopped from 1 to 1.0 and maybe 2.0 is to not clear exactly which we support
[22:32] <sinzui> 1.1 should be in that list
[22:32] <lifeless> so I'm guessing I'm not the only user that reported this yesterday? Anyhow, thanks phuff, sosborn, wgrant & sinzui for looking into thise
[22:33] <sinzui> DO not thank me. I am still looking for a test to produce this
[22:33] <lifeless> sinzui: you're looking at it; thats all I'm crediting you with :)
[22:37] <wgrant> sinzui: It looks like all that needs to be changed on the LP end is the X-XRDS-Location http-equiv to point to LP's copy, not c-i-p's. I didn't realise that there *was* an LP copy.
[22:38] <sinzui> wgrant: thanks for the insight
[22:38]  * sinzui thinks we should should shutdown Launchpad's versions
[22:43] <sinzui> wgrant: There is no c-i-p version running at the moment. There is only launchpad with a library answering to many names.
[22:44] <wgrant> sinzui: But doesn't it symlink c-i-p into lib/canonical/signon?
[22:44] <sinzui> it does, it is login.launchpad,net
[22:44] <wgrant> So the code is owned by c-i-p.
[22:44] <wgrant> Right.
[22:45] <sinzui> it subclass the many of the objects in Launchpad
[22:45] <sinzui> so if you want to fix many things, you need to change launchapd's models and views
[22:46] <sinzui> wgrant: which is why all the xrds stuff appears to be in launchpad
[22:59] <sinzui> wgrant: phuff: This is the What do you expect this test to return
[22:59] <sinzui> self.assertEqual(
[22:59] <sinzui>     request.response.getHeader('x-xrds-location'),
[22:59] <sinzui>     'http://login.launchpad.dev/~sinzui/+xrds')
[23:00] <wgrant> sinzui: That bit is right.
[23:00] <wgrant> sinzui: It's the <meta http-equiv="X-XRDS-Location" ...> in the page that's wrong.
[23:01] <wgrant> Nothing should use that, but I suspect some things do, and it's otherwise incredibly confusing.
[23:01] <sinzui> oh, the +id/giberish/+xrds
[23:02] <wgrant> Right.
[23:02]  * sinzui shakes his head
[23:03] <sinzui> wgrant: Yes, that should not exist. That was to be removed along with most of my other openid work because openid on launchpad is intended to be social
[23:04] <wgrant> sinzui: It should exist, but perhaps only for use by the SSO server.
[23:04] <sinzui> wgrant: So the screwy part is is that that tests verify everything is sane, but since the test (in SSO) and code (in launchpad) are separated, you cannot easily see they are not working together.
[23:04] <sinzui> wgrant: it does exists, but is not intended to be visible any more
[23:29] <Jordan_U> The launchpad keyserver is timing out, is there a way to fix this or another way to get the public key for https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-retro ?
[23:37] <wgrant> Jordan_U: Try pool.sks-keyservers.net instead.
[23:38] <Jordan_U> wgrant: Thanks, that works


[12:26] <oSoMoN> alesage, hey, are you around?
[12:26] <oSoMoN> (probably a bit early still)
[14:26] <alesage> oSoMoN, hi, what can I do for ye?
[14:29] <oSoMoN> alesage, hey! I saw that you paused verification of silo 14, just wanted to check whether you’d be resuming testing on that one today, and if you’d found issues with it so far
[14:30] <oSoMoN> alesage, I’ll go offline in 30min, so if there are issues with the silo please let me know now
[14:30] <alesage> oSoMoN, will resume shortly, just arrived at it a bit late last eve. and there's a lot of new work attached
[14:30] <alesage> oSoMoN, so never fear, we'll give it a full review--nothing so far
[14:31] <oSoMoN> good


[07:07] <dsfg> Lubuntu with LXQT 1 Wheer get?
[07:07] <dsfg> where
[07:08] <dsfg> hey?
[07:12] <dsfg> i want lxqt
[10:00] <Auctus> so on 14.04 wifi doesnt autodetect and the network manager doesnt start -- does wired ethernet still work automatically?
[10:06] <cristian_c> Auctus, How have you verified this?
[10:06] <cristian_c> *checked
[10:07] <Auctus> what, that the wifi doesnt work? It didnt work for me and I googled and a lot of other people seem to acknowledge that wifi doesnt work in 14.04 unless you manually add a network by ssid or update nm-applet and start it?
[10:08] <cristian_c> 'so on 14.04 wifi doesnt autodetect'
[10:08] <cristian_c> Auctus, rfkill list
[10:08] <Auctus> https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=lubuntu+14.04+wifi
[10:08] <Auctus> ?
[10:09] <cristian_c> !paste
[10:09] <cristian_c> Auctus, Paste the command output in pastebin
[10:10] <Auctus> cristian_c, i dont have a problem, i was just asking if anyone knew if it was a network thing or a nm-applet thing
[10:10] <Auctus> apparently its just that nm-applet doesnt start
[10:10] <Auctus> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/lubuntu-1404-trusty-tahr-review-all.html
[10:10] <Auctus> that guy says that ethernet works fine
[10:10] <Auctus> so i'll assume thats true
[10:10] <cristian_c> Auctus, so, does wifi is detected?
[10:10] <Auctus> cristian_c, i guess if you start nm-applet from the terminal it is, but im trying to help my dad get a working computer and he doesnt know shit about the terminal :p
[10:11] <cristian_c> Auctus, nm-applet is working
[10:11] <Auctus> nm-applet doesnt autostart
[10:11] <cristian_c> Auctus, Preferences
[10:11] <cristian_c> Auctus, Defaul applications for LXSession
[10:11] <cristian_c> *t
[10:11] <Auctus> ya my dad is not gonna figure that out lol it should start by default on the ISO that every non-tech user gets
[10:12] <Auctus> anyway he uses ethernet so i guess it'll be fine
[10:12] <cristian_c> Auctus, Have you opened 'LXSession configuration'?
[10:13] <Auctus> i think you might be missing my point
[10:13] <cristian_c> lol
[10:13] <Auctus> :p
[10:13] <cristian_c> Auctus, I'm trying to help ypou
[10:13] <cristian_c> *you
[10:13] <cristian_c> if you want be helped
[10:13] <cristian_c> *to be
[10:13] <Auctus> i got my copy of lubuntu doing all the stuff i want i was just wondering about what works on the standard ISO without making any changes since its gonna burn to a CD with no persistence
[10:14] <cristian_c> Auctus, but you've solved this problem?
[10:14] <cristian_c> *do you have
[10:14] <Auctus> for myself yes
[10:14] <cristian_c> ok
[10:14] <cristian_c> Auctus, How have you solved this?
[10:17] <Auctus> sec trying to remember
[10:17] <cristian_c> lol
[10:18] <Auctus> updated lxsession from a ppa
[10:18] <cristian_c> loool
[10:19] <cristian_c> Auctus, this is not a good solution
[10:19] <Auctus> um
[10:19] <Auctus> anything that works is a good solution
[10:19] <cristian_c> no
[10:19] <Auctus> problem: I wasnt online
[10:19] <Auctus> solution: I am now online
[10:19] <cristian_c> lol
 Auctus, Have you opened 'LXSession configuration'?
[10:20] <Auctus> anyway none of this is relevant if im dropping a lubuntu cd off at my dad's house since no configuration changes will remain when he reboots
[10:20] <cristian_c> Auctus, select 'Core applications' tab
[10:21] <cristian_c> Auctus, then write in 'Network GUI': nm-applet
[10:21] <cristian_c> Auctus, finally, click on Reload
[10:21] <cristian_c> Done.
[10:21] <Auctus> hmm thats pretty easy, i would have done that, butwhen i googled it i saw the PPA thing first and did that
[10:22] <cristian_c> Auctus, if you want make persistent this solution, you can select 'Autostart' tab
[10:22] <cristian_c> Auctus, you have not the followed the right thing
[10:22] <cristian_c> *done
[10:23] <cristian_c> Auctus, in Autostart, go to 'Manual autostarted applications'
[10:23] <cristian_c> write: nm-applet
[10:23] <cristian_c> and click on Add
[10:24] <cristian_c> Auctus, Done.
[10:24] <cristian_c> XD
[10:24] <cristian_c> *to make
[11:48] <onla`> grrh still can't get my monitor to turn off any other time than 10minutes from idle
[12:14] <onla`> v@v-MS-7599:~$ sudo setterm -blank 30
[12:14] <onla`> [sudo] password for v:
[12:14] <onla`> v@v-MS-7599:~$ cat /sys/module/kernel/parameters/consoleblank
[12:14] <onla`> 600
[12:14] <onla`> setting blank time takes no effect?
[12:24] <melodie> onla` what have you used?
[12:24] <onla`> setterm
[12:25]  * melodie hands xset to onla`
[12:25] <onla`> thanks
[12:25] <melodie> onla` : 'xset s off &'
[12:25] <melodie> and
[12:25] <onla`> I found a new trick I'm in midst of trying though
[12:25] <melodie> xset -dpms &
[12:25] <melodie> just after
[12:26] <melodie> then if you want to set up how much time (with some time) the string "xset dpms 0 0 600 &' sets it up to ten minutes, then I let you figure out the rest
[12:26] <onla`> I write that down. Try it if not satisfied with this one I'm trying.. I edited grub to do consoleblank=0 at boot,but haven't bothered to boot yet
[12:26] <onla`> ok
[12:26] <melodie> I use these setups in the ~/.config/openbox/autostart of mine
[20:24] <Bart_> Hello
[20:24] <Bart_> I am wondering whatsni
[20:24] <Bart_> What is the easiest to use application to automate torrent downloads in transmission
[20:25] <Bart_> Something witha GUI preferably
[20:25] <Bart_> No flexget
[20:25] <Unit193> Doesn't transmission have an rss plugin?
[20:25] <Bart_> Really?
[20:25] <Bart_> Wait il double check
[20:26] <Bart_> Nope it doesn't
[20:27] <Bart_> I have version 2.82 btw
[20:33] <onla`> anyone know a translator app, which translates selected text or copied text in a bubble or popup or such?
[20:45] <onla`> is there a buffer somewhere that has x selection buffer's history
[20:45] <teward> how efficiently would lubuntu 14.04 run in a VM environment as compared to Ubuntu 14.04?
[20:46]  * ianorlin hasn't tried ubuntu 14.04 in a vm so I can't really compare the two
[20:46] <Unit193> Lubuntu should do a fair amount better, partly due to less ram usage and partly less graphical power needed.
[20:46] <ianorlin> and less disk input output
[20:47] <Unit193> I haven't technically either, at least not for a while, but mainly because it tends to not like being put into a VM on here very well.
[21:50] <onla`> okhay.. I installed http://www.soimort.org/google-translate-cli/ and xclip... I wonder how I can translate the clipboard content with the trs now with linux commands
[21:51] <onla`> if I type in CLI trs bonjour, it will put to standard output the text hello
[21:51] <onla`> hmhm
[21:53] <onla`> xclip -i inputs text to CLI
[21:53] <onla`> to clipboard
[21:54] <onla`> d'oh.. I want to output with xclip -o .. but how I can put that trs bonjour there
[21:57] <krytarik> onla`: trs "$(xclip -o)"
[22:00] <onla`> v@v-MS-7599:~$ trs "$(xclip -o)"
[22:00] <onla`> trs "$(xclip -o)"
[22:00] <onla`> v@v-MS-7599:~$ xclip -o
[22:00] <onla`> trs "$(xclip -o)"
[22:01] <onla`> oh wait :)
[22:01] <onla`> I used clipboard to to put that there
[22:02] <onla`> yesh.. it does work :)
[22:04] <onla`> now just put an alias... or maybe if I somehow put it so that every single time xclip -o changes, it will write the translation to a file, removing the older data from that file so it won't grow too big
[22:04] <onla`> could that be hard?
[22:05] <onla`> if (xclip -o changes){ clear file.txt; trs "$(xclip -o)" > file.txt ;  <-- something like that
[22:06] <onla`> do I need to start comparing xclip -o and file.txt?
[22:15] <onla`> hmm maybe that is unnecessary. I just want to automate as much as possible to translate a word on irc, preferably so that when I xclip -o a word, meaning that I double click it and select it, it has been stdouted on my other console window hmm
[22:17] <onla`> so now I just select it and go to the other window and type my alias and hit enter... to remove that step, there should be some trigger to stdout the result from xclip -o changing
[22:17] <unready> hi guys... I just installed lubuntu and want to get wifi working... drivers don't show under 'additional drivers'...I have downloaded them in a tar file - how do I go from here?
[22:18] <Unit193> unready: What chipset?
[22:18] <unready> I don't have the option to connect via cable at the moment...
[22:18] <unready> broadcom
[22:18] <Unit193> Sweet, did you see the offline guide?  Basically, use b43-fwcutter to install the file in the tarball.
[22:19] <unready> no, i didnt see the guide and also googled unsuccesfully....
[22:19] <unready> thanks!
[22:19] <Unit193> !b42
[22:19] <Unit193> !b43
[22:20] <unready> ubottu: thanks!
[22:20] <gfredericks> which program is responsible for audacious not responding to the special keyboard audio-control keys?