[09:40] <Beineri> anyway, http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/konserve.diff.bz2
[10:13] <sabdfl> Beineri: Riddell would be the best person to send them to
[10:41] <haggai> Beineri: great!  Can you attach the patch to a bug report?
[11:19] <Beineri> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050321#new
[11:45] <Beineri> "* Build openoffice.org-kde again." :-)
[11:59] <dholbach> hi
[12:00] <dholbach> i'm trying to figure out, why kdelibs4-dev on ia64 pulls in  -lXinerama_pic
[12:00] <dholbach> can anyone help me with it?
[12:00] <dholbach> this is the problematic case:   http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/lineak-xosdplugin/1:0.8.3-1/lineak-xosdplugin_1:0.8.3-1_20050321-0911-ia64-failed
[12:01] <dholbach> it's about "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama_pic"
[12:01] <haggai> dholbach: there's a debian patch in kdelibs that we have to pull out for kubuntu
[12:02] <haggai> dholbach: did you already trace it to kdelibs4-dev or is it a guess?
[12:02] <dholbach> haggai: mkedwards did
[12:03] <haggai> is that a nick?
[12:03] <dholbach> haggai: yes... he's in here as well
[12:03] <dholbach> haggai: what do i have to do make it work on ia64?
[12:06] <mkedwards> Does ia64 need -fPIC?
[12:15] <mkedwards> dholbach: that "Disable Xinerama_pic hack" change needs to be backported to Ubuntu's qt-x11-free.
[12:17] <dholbach> mkedwards: we're discussing it in the right channel, but i'm not the one who could fix it :-)
[12:25] <haggai> dholbach: because of technical questions or upload rights?
[12:26] <dholbach> both
[12:26] <haggai> :)
[12:26] <dholbach> :-)
[12:26] <dholbach> and i would never imagine to upload qt :-)
[12:26] <dholbach> and be whipped around the channels by you folks :-)
[12:27] <haggai> oooh yesss verwy dangerous here... here be dragons...
[12:27] <haggai> (shh don't tell anyone they're cute)
[12:27] <dholbach> yeah... ;-)
[12:28] <haggai> so the problem is in qt itself?
[12:30] <mkedwards> haggai: need to diff debian 3:3.2.3-3 against 3:3.2.3-2
[12:31] <haggai> mkedwards: thanks
[03:06] <ttf> Qerub: can you tell me why gtk2-engines-gtk-qt is not in main?
[03:10] <Qerub> ttf: i'm the debian package maintainer of it, nothing more.
[03:10] <Qerub> ttf: ask amu or Riddell...
[03:23] <ttf> Qerub: k - thanks
[03:58] <dholbach> see you later
[09:35] <haggai> Riddell / amu: HoaryPreviewKnownProblems:  Has anything been fixed or are all these problems still open?  How about we open bug reports for them and add the bugno next to each item in the list?
[09:35] <haggai> ttf can file the bugs for us
[09:35] <haggai> I think otherwise we'll loose track of what still needs doing
[09:36] <Burgundavia> is there a kde equiv to gksu?
[09:37] <Riddell> haggai: nothing has been fixed although some arn't real problems and some arn't our problem and so forth, but good idea to put them into bugzilla
[09:38] <amu> haggai: working on them, just "fixed" the imap problems in kdepim
[09:39] <amu> haggai: Riddell isnt it possible to to find a way to communicate in a better way?
[09:40] <Riddell> we need an action plan
[09:40] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: you should be asking in #kubuntu :). kdesu.
[09:41] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: I am looking to change the deps on qtparted right now
[09:41] <amu> ex. i looked into python-kde, and ask ogra about some help, he told me you ( jr ) still working on it
[09:41] <Riddell> amu: I'm not activly working on it, it's on my todo list but I'd be happy if someone else did it first
[09:41] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: I am rebuilding as the current one is uninstallable, and am looking at fixing things
[09:42] <amu> Riddell: haggai isnt it possible we use bugzilla for it?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: does it do kdesudo?
[09:43] <Riddell> amu: for all our to do things?  and assign each entry to whoever it doing it?
[09:43] <Beineri> Shouldn't there be a openoffice.org-kde_1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1_i386.deb next to the gtk one now? :-|
[09:44] <amu> Riddell: yep
[09:44] <haggai> amu: tht's what I meant by 'How about we open bug reports for them'
[09:44] <haggai> Beineri: it needed changes to the package
[09:44] <amu> Riddell: haggai i force to users on #kubuntu to report their probs to bugzilla
[09:45] <Beineri> haggai: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/003873.html says "Build openoffice.org-kde again"
[09:45] <apokryphos> (amu: do you prefer that?)
[09:45] <Beineri> haggai: and there was a *-successful build log.
[09:45] <amu> 21:28 < billytwowilly> any idea when  python-kde3 will be updated?
[09:46] <haggai> Beineri: ah right, in that case it needs elmo love
[09:46] <amu> apokryphos: sorry?
[09:46] <apokryphos> amu: do you prefer that we report our woes on bugzilla?
[09:47] <apokryphos> (essentially dependency issues/broken-packages etc.)
[09:48] <amu> apokryphos: yes, it's easier to follow, who's working on it, you see the status about an bug ...
[09:49] <haggai> amu: if you actually work on a bug then accept it.  I'll reassign to myself if I start on one
[09:49] <apokryphos> Alright; I'll put one in about kde-devel; I see you're already working on the PyKDE one...
[09:49] <haggai> ttf: can you make issues for KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems items please?
[09:49] <haggai> uh, bugs.  They're issues on OOo :)
[09:52] <amu> apokryphos: yep, i fixed the depends and run a testbuild, got some error's and ask agra for help, than he told me someone other was working before on it. That's very frustationg and wasted time.
[09:53] <apokryphos> amu: sorry to hear that :(. It's down to libkcal2 as far as I can see. So, what do you reckon, no bug report?
[09:56] <amu> apokryphos: no a bugreport is fine, it doesnt matter about what, better 1 useless bugreport as some 1h lost time
[10:00] <Riddell> amu, haggai: for your information my current to do list is topped with putting the website in a baz repository so that other people can look after it, then sorting out the kde 3.4 modules that arn't done yet then all the other things
[10:42] <haggai> Riddell: great thanks.
[10:42] <mdz> Riddell: are you able to migrate it to the server we provided as well?
[10:44] <Riddell> mdz: did that last week
[10:44] <mdz> Riddell: oh, good
[10:45] <mdz> and k.ubuntu.com is live as well, I see
[10:45] <Riddell> means I didn't get to test my servers against a slashdotting, but on the other hand it also means kubuntu didn't make me go over a monthly bandwidth quota again
[10:46] <Riddell> no movement on kubuntu.org yet
[10:46] <mdz> I have pinged
[10:47] <Beineri> Riddell: no slashdotting? there was a slashdot story
[10:47] <mdz> Beineri: he moved the site first
[10:48] <ttf> haggai: yup - working on it
[10:48] <Riddell> Beineri: slashdot story was after I moved the website from my server to ubuntu server
[10:51] <mdz> when would be a good day to hold a Kubuntu development meeting?
[10:51] <Riddell> mdz: covering what?
[10:51] <mdz> amu,Riddell,haggai: ?
[10:51] <haggai> yup
[10:51] <mdz> Riddell: status review, milestones for the remainder of the release cycle
[10:52] <amu> yep?
[10:52] <mdz> sometime this week
[10:52] <mdz> tuesday is a CC meeting, thursday I have another meeting
[10:53] <mdz> wednesday or friday?
[10:53] <amu> let's have Thu. a milestone-meeting?
[10:53] <haggai> I can't do Friday
[10:53] <Riddell> wednesday is good for me (as indeed is any day other than tomorrow)
[10:54] <amu> wed. is also fine for me
[10:55] <haggai> wed is ok too
[10:55] <Riddell> now we just need a time :)
[10:56] <mdz> anytime after about 1700 UTC is good for me
[10:57] <Riddell> how about 17:00 GMT?
[10:59] <haggai> at 1700 I have people coming to view our house.  My preference would be sometime between 19-2200, but I can make from 1730 if that fits better with everyone else
[11:02] <Riddell> I have no preference
[11:03] <mdz> 1900 is fine
[11:03] <mdz> amu?
[11:04] <amu> ack, doesnt matter for which time or date, i'm allways on ;)
[11:08] <haggai> ttf: can you be around then too?
[11:14] <ttf> yup - there
[11:31] <mdz> ok, 1900 UTC, Wednesday 23 March
[11:31] <mdz> see you there
[11:31] <mdz> haggai: selling your house?
[11:36] <haggai> mdz: I wish :-/  Our landlord is selling our house :(
[11:36] <haggai> mdz: we wanted to stay here until we found somewhere to buy, but now we have to move in mid April
[11:37] <mdz> ugh
[11:37] <Riddell> haggai: I have a room free in my (rented) house, move in with us
[11:37] <haggai> mdz: thanksfully its been put a week back so it won't interfere too much with the kubuntu release


[05:18] <mazal> Mornings
[05:32] <superfly> Morning
[06:07] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:26] <mazal> Hi superfly and pieter2627
[07:21] <who_da_fly> Woo! The video of my company is finally up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1RzlAK3VVjM
[07:57] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:17] <mazal> Morning inetpro
[09:58] <Kilos> morning all
[09:58] <Kilos> hehe just made it
[10:19] <mazal> Hi Kilos
[10:19] <Kilos> hi mazal
[10:19] <mazal> How goes ?
[10:29] <Kilos> all goof ty mazal and there
[10:29] <Kilos> good
[10:29] <mazal> Okish , got 2 new toys
[10:29] <Kilos> what
[10:29] <mazal> PS4 for me and a SSD for my pc
[10:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:30] <mazal> Going back to Ubuntu completely at home in May. Back the way it should be
[10:30] <Kilos> good
[10:30] <mazal> Gaming over to PS4 now
[10:31] <Kilos> better
[10:31] <mazal> But I am struggling with my pc though , dunno what's up
[10:31] <mazal> Freeze on bios sometimes , 3 usb ports dead , and freeze in OS sometimes as well. Think it is motherboard
[10:31] <Kilos> you corrupted it
[10:31] <Kilos> oh my
[10:31] <mazal> Wasn't me :P
[10:32] <mazal> Eskom maybe , but not me
[10:32] <Kilos> blow board clean and reseat you ram cards
[10:32] <mazal> And can't afford replacement parts
[10:32] <mazal> So still working on a plan for May
[10:33] <Kilos> its most likely repairable man
[10:34] <Kilos> unplug battery and blow all clean, reseat all cards and plugs and boot up and set bios
[10:34] <Kilos> how can 3 usb ports go dead
[10:35] <mazal> I dunno , but they are
[10:35] <Kilos> something in bios not seeing them'
[10:35] <mazal> They used to work , but not anymore , don't even pick up a mouse
[10:36] <Kilos> unplug batery
[10:36] <Kilos> t
[10:36] <mazal> Oh and the audio went crazy as well
[10:36] <Kilos> clean all then try again
[10:36] <Kilos> lol
[10:36] <Kilos> you got a bbug in it
[10:36] <mazal> For some reason the board started picking up every port as the mic port
[10:36] <Kilos> oh ya you have win on it
[10:36] <Kilos> no wonder
[10:37] <mazal> I actually had to disable all audio port and force all as speaker out to get audio back
[10:37] <mazal> Now everything on it is speaker out lol
[10:37] <Kilos> ai!
[10:38] <Kilos> start with bios cleanup
[10:38] <mazal> So we'll see come May if OS is to blame , but I seriously doubt it
[10:38] <Kilos> battery out
[10:38] <Kilos> dont forget you get virii in bios as well
[10:39] <mazal> My money is on hardware broken sponsored by Eskom
[10:40] <mazal> But I will try that when time comes ( the unplugging and resetting )
[10:41] <mazal> The SSD part , it's okish , but nowhere near so much faster to warrant the price
[10:41] <mazal> But is ok , now I finally have one
[10:41] <Kilos> wow it should be much faster
[10:42] <mazal> Nah it's highly overrated imo. Yes it boots and starts up much faster. But the actual working is not much quicker. Alot is CPU and RAM and network dependant
[10:43] <mazal> The only big difference I see is in boot and startup. The rest is not much different
[10:52] <who_da_fly> inetpro: did you see our video?
[10:52] <mazal> who_da_fly: I watched it
[10:53] <who_da_fly> mazal: what you think?
[10:53] <mazal> You build those ?
[10:53] <who_da_fly> ya
[10:53] <mazal> Nice , some smart people around :)
[11:56] <pieter2627> mazal: you can also test if it is the hardware using a live usb
[12:07] <mazal> Indeed , never thought about that thanx
[12:09] <pieter2627> np
[12:35] <mazal> Bye all
[14:56] <Vlekkie> Hey, hows everybody?
[15:04] <Kilos> hi vle
[15:05] <Kilos> ai!
[15:17] <inetpro> Kilos: did you get rain last night?
[15:17] <inetpro> who_da_fly: nice video!
[15:20] <Kilos> 1/2 mm inetpro
[15:20] <Kilos> where this video
[15:20] <Kilos> and what size
[15:20] <inetpro> ai!
[15:20] <inetpro> at least we got double that
[15:20] <Kilos> drizzling here now
[15:20] <Kilos> haha
[15:21] <inetpro> Kilos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1RzlAK3VVjM
[15:21] <Kilos> is it not a 1g download?
[15:22] <Kilos> if small ill download it
[15:23] <Kilos> aw it doesnt download
[16:17] <inetpro> Kilos: I reached home with just a slight drizzle along the way... wind starting to get stronger now
[16:17] <Kilos> lucky hey
[16:18] <inetpro> apparently heavy rain falling in parts of #Johannesburg
[16:26] <superfly> inetpro: thanks. Google did all the work, we just sat there looking pretty
[16:27] <inetpro> superfly: cool, was this all part of the reason for your trip?
[16:32] <superfly> Nope, that was done ages ago
[16:35] <inetpro> ah
[17:34] <Kilos> weather liar says we must expect heaven rain inetpro
[17:35] <Kilos> tonight and all day tomorrow
[17:35] <inetpro> weather liar? haha
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[17:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Wednesday: Thunderstorm. High: 27° C., Wednesday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 14° C., Thursday: Thunderstorm. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 14° C., Friday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 27° C., Friday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 16° C., Saturday: Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 26°
[17:36] <Maaz> C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear…
[17:36] <inetpro> hmm... latest @tWeatherSA Alert: The SA Weather Service has issued a watch for severe T-storms in GP on Thursday. Large #HAIL, damaging winds & heavy rain possible
[17:36] <Kilos> eish aterday night is winter again
[17:38] <inetpro> this afternoon they said 1pm-11pm on Wednesday
[17:43] <Kilos> hi ambo Webtricity
[17:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:57] <Kilos> i hear thunder in the distance
[18:06] <gremble> Evening
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: let it come closer before you get excited otherwise it might run away again
[18:06] <inetpro> hello gremble
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:07] <gremble> How are you two doing
[18:07] <inetpro> gremble: very good thanks, at least we've had some waters from the skies in the past few days
[18:08] <Kilos> well ty and you
[18:08] <gremble> inetpro: There has been some damage here. One of the car dealerships in van der hoff weg had their roof collapse and a house in capital park had a wall collapse
[18:09] <gremble> That's what I've seen so far
[18:09] <gremble> apparently in mountain view (south of pretoria north) there is even more damage
[18:09] <gremble> I'm doing well kilos. Thanks.
[18:12] <inetpro> eish! I was wondering as I was driving to work this morning about all those dealerships with insufficient roof coverage
[18:13] <Kilos> yeah many places got damaged
[18:14] <gremble> They still had three cars stuck under the roof that we could see
[18:14] <gremble> :P
[18:14] <gremble> Must suck to get to work and see that
[18:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:17] <Kilos> and the freestate got 23 days water left they said on the news just now
[18:18] <gremble> Day 24 is going to be really awkward
[18:18] <Kilos> theyg be happy with hail damage, they get some work to do while waiting for the ice to melt
[18:19] <Kilos> weather liar says they getting heavy rain tonight and tomorrow
[19:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:51] <Cryterion> Evening
[19:52] <inetpro> wb Cryterion
[19:52] <gremble> Hey Cryterion
[19:52] <Cryterion> tks, been busy out on site lately
[21:30] <kulelu88> gremble: yo
[21:32] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[21:33] <kulelu88> howzit
[21:33] <gremble> Well thanks and with yuorself?
[21:40] <kulelu88> i'm goo
[21:40] <kulelu88> good
[21:41] <gremble> Good :P
[21:41] <gremble> Goddamned internet is so slow, I can't even open up pages
[21:41] <gremble> -_-
[21:45] <kulelu88> africa
[21:45] <kulelu88> ...
[21:51] <gremble> pretty much.
[21:51] <gremble> haha
[21:56] <kulelu88> my speeds are good now
[21:59] <gremble> You have a new ISP or things just generally improved?
[22:01] <kulelu88> I'm not in S.Africa anymore
[22:02] <gremble> Oh? Where'd you bounce to?


 It was either that or Guadalajara.
[22:42] <philipballew> Getting lost in one Mexican airport is enough for me.
[22:47] <biker> xD


[15:37] <JeremyE> Hi
[15:37] <JeremyE> Could somebody please tell me how to enable compizconfig to get the desktop cube?
[15:38] <JeremyE> I did the "sudo aptitude install compizconfig"
[15:38] <JeremyE> and it said it's installed
[15:38] <JeremyE> but I can't find it under preferences


[10:16] <bbaqar> Hey guys. Trying to move a project from launchad to github. Is there anyway I can convert the launchpad merge history of the project to git commits?
[10:20] <Odd_Bloke> bbaqar: You mean from Launchpad's bzr hosting?  (Launchpad does support git hosting also.)
[12:14] <bbaqar> Odd_Bloke: i need to move a charm project to a github account.
[12:14] <bbaqar> So i need to change the hosting aswell.
[12:14] <bbaqar> Just for information how to configure git hosting?
[12:15] <Odd_Bloke> bbaqar: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git
[12:17] <bbaqar> Odd_Bloke: Thanks.
[12:18] <bbaqar> JOIN  /#juju
[17:00] <pbek> are there problems with launchpad building snaps? I got a: fatal: unable to access 'https://git.launchpad.net/~pbek/qownnotes-snap/': Resolving timed out after 493986 milliseconds
[17:00] <pbek> like in: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/276190580/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_arm64_qownnotes_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:14] <dobey> hmm, why does publishing binaries in PPAs take so incredibly long now? it's nowhere near 15 minute range any more :(
[18:15] <tsimonq2> I agree with dobey
[18:15] <tsimonq2> it's getting ridiculously slow
[18:19] <acheronuk> > 1hr for a package earlier
[18:23] <apollo13> packagecloud.io is your friend :D
[18:23] <tsimonq2> apollo13: nah, we need to use Launchpad for one reason or another, so it's just easier to mention something here. Your alternative solutions don't help ;)
[18:29] <dobey> ain't no friend of mine ;)
[18:29] <dobey> but seriously, uploading packages to some other places really doesn't help with the development of the ubuntu product which is hosted on launchpad :)
[18:31] <tsimonq2> ^
[18:32] <apollo13> tsimonq2: hehe, just trying to help -- I just wouldn't expect much out of free solution
[18:32] <apollo13> +s
[18:33] <dobey> i'm pretty sure my employer pays a fairly decent amount for launchpad.net ;)
[18:34] <apollo13> oh you can pay for launchpad? TIL :D
[18:35] <apollo13> I still get a 500 when trying to login, jay
[18:36] <dobey> that's not launchpad i guess
[18:36] <apollo13> it is
[18:36] <tsimonq2> Git merge proposals are painful, I will at the very minimum submit a bug, maybe I'll scratch my own itch
[18:36] <apollo13> my email addresses conflict…
[18:37] <dobey> tsimonq2: you mean the bit about the target ref?
[18:38] <tsimonq2> dobey: everything, everything. The way you make MPs against Git repos, how it doesn't automatically pick up on the repo you want to submit an MP against, nightmare...
[18:39] <dobey> eh? it works fine for me
[18:39] <dobey> all i have to do is type in "master" for the target ref
[18:39] <dobey> everything else is pretty much done already
[18:40] <dobey> tsimonq2: i suspect you are probably pushing to your +git URL and then proposing from there?
[18:40] <tsimonq2> it does work fine for basic stuff
[18:40] <tsimonq2> yeah
[18:40] <tsimonq2> I figured it out
[18:40] <tsimonq2> but it's annoying when dealing with complex things
[18:41] <dobey> eh, everything in git is complex
[18:41] <dobey> so not sure what you mean :)
[18:42] <apollo13> did you try http://www.git-legit.org/ makes a few common tasks nicer
[18:43] <tsimonq2> apollo13: did you get the point of me telling you "Your alternative  solutions don't help"
[18:43] <tsimonq2> apollo13: :P
[18:44] <apollo13> tsimonq2: you seem to be pretty much resistent to change :D
[18:44] <apollo13> but well, I was mainly refering to "git is complex", not your issue per se
[18:44] <tsimonq2> apollo13: you also hear dobey before? :D
[18:45] <tsimonq2> although I don't work at Canonical (hope to one day but don't now), let's say they pay a lot of money for it :P
[18:45] <apollo13> good for them (or not, probably depends on the POV ;))
[18:46] <apollo13> oh, I wanted to work on landscape at some distant point in the past


[09:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: ygm :)
[10:17] <flocculant> done 16.04.4 64 bit - passed everything mandatory, failed lvm run-once due to that locale bug
[10:17] <flocculant> which is fixed for bionic at least
[12:33] <knome> bluesabre, i haven't thought what happens if the same bug is in two blueprints, so yes, it can be a bit weird...
[12:55] <knome> condector, hello!
[12:56] <condector> hi knome
[12:56] <knome> so basically we usually require people to take the usual route to become an officially registered ubuntu mirror in launchpad
[12:56] <condector> I come to contrib a little bit with resources to project
[12:56] <condector> hum
[12:56] <knome> this helps us with keeping our information up-to-date
[12:56] <condector> I see, but the ubuntu itself is really huge
[12:56] <knome> yes...
[12:57] <knome> let me dig up some information about this
[12:57] <knome> we don't want to require sharing ubuntu...
[12:58] <condector> I already mirror LibreOffice, CentOS, Clamav, and think that I also could contrib as a mirror to Xubuntu (I see that to mirror the project itself not need a lot of space)
[12:58] <knome> pleia2, ping for you too since you have been handling these things before
[13:00] <condector> thanks
[13:01] <knome> i think we'll need to create a xubuntu.org page for this in order to make sure we give out the same instructions to everybody who wants to help :)
[13:03] <condector> Yes, I search for it you know
[13:03] <knome> condector, to make sure we don't forget your question, could you please send us mail at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and preferably subscribe before you do so we don't have to manually approve posts) with all the information you've told us above
[13:03] <condector> When I create our first mirror for CentOS, I use their wiki to do the first sync using rsync, and when I finished the first sync, I send an e-mail with my IP, domain, bandwidth and "capabilities" (http, ftp, rsync, etc).
[13:04] <condector> knome, ok. I will do that.
[13:04] <knome> yes, i think we'll want that kind of information as well, but probably in another low-traffic and not publily archived list
[13:05] <condector> ok.
[13:17] <knome> (sorry for the silence, i'm writing a draft of the mirror page; if you have any further questions or want to discuss something, feel free to and i'll likely reply)
[13:19] <condector> done knome
[13:20] <knome> cheers
[13:20] <knome> i'll reply after i've done the work with this page
[13:20] <condector> knome, I also send on the list this link: https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CreatePublicMirrors
[13:20] <knome> yeah, thanks
[13:20] <condector> Was the steps that I followed to become a CentOS mirror, maybe could help you
[13:20] <condector> cheers.
[13:27] <condector> a better one: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Infra/Mirroring
[13:30] <knome> right, these are more of a technical documentation on getting set up
[13:36] <condector> yes
[13:38] <knome> useful too, though
[13:50] <knome> ok, first public draft is out
[13:50] <knome> condector, pleia2, Unit193: https://xubuntu.org/dev/mirrors
[13:50] <knome> comments?
[13:51] <condector> Ok, let me read.
[13:52] <condector> very good
[13:52] <knome> and replied to your mail as well
[13:53] <knome> i'll want input from both pleia2 and Unit193 before we go on full public and official, but after that we should be fine with going ahead
[13:53] <condector> I see it right now. :D
[13:54] <condector> Maybe a second page on future to help new mirrors but with the "tweaks" that you said on this draft page.
[13:55] <condector> Could be helpfull too.
[13:55] <knome> maybe... though the issue is (from my POV) that we are such a small team that I don't want to promise help for everybody setting up
[14:05] <Unit193> 1. Errant space 'least  by'.  2. Preferred capoltization is 'freenode'.  3. Sure this is all correct for flavor mirrors as well?  4. In desired info under "HTTP URL", "whether you plan to support TLS" or somesuch?  5. Perhaps have a closing that it'd be good to notify if one expects to have extended downtime or no longer desires to mirror.
[14:07] <condector> I see knome, no problem.
[14:07] <knome> Unit193, ack, feel free to go edit directly
[14:07] <condector> Unit193, on other projects they use mirmon to "auto remove" inactive mirror´s
[14:08] <condector> like this one: https://download.documentfoundation.org/mirmon/
[14:08] <knome> ubuntu might do that, but i don't think that's in our scope...
[14:08] <condector> ah, I see
[14:08] <Unit193> knome: But there's still the links on the site.
[14:08] <knome> we usually check the mirrors at least once before and after release
[14:08] <knome> Unit193, what links?
[14:10] <Unit193> And alright, figured you were better at wording. :P
[14:10] <knome> this was rather hastily put together
[14:10] <knome> and we can iterate...
[14:29]  * condector smile
[14:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: ignore the mail - I got time to do draft on x.org > https://xubuntu.org/?p=4415&preview=true
[16:06] <pleia2> knome: for clarity, I'd rewrite: "You will need to provide the downloads at least  by HTTP, but you can optionally provide FTP and rsync as well. SSL is strongly recommended.
[16:07] <pleia2> instead: "You will need to provide the downloads at least by HTTP, preferably HTTPS, but you can optionally provide FTP and rsync as well."
[16:07] <pleia2> otherwise lgtm
[17:47] <Unit193> <link rel='shortlink' href='https://xubuntu.org/?p=4362' />  well that's baked, mirrors.telianet.dk and mirrors.telianet.dk nxdomain, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.fe.up.pt-release 404s, as does http://ftp.yzu.edu.tw/Linux/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/16.04/release/
[17:52] <knome> ok, tackling the wording and additional stuff next
[17:53] <knome> Unit193, re: 3) i don't think there is anything that is "correct" or "incorrect" for flavor mirrors
[17:53] <knome> Unit193, aiui, you can't register an official mirror in LP without serving ubuntu, am i right?
[17:54] <Unit193> That'd be my guess.
[17:54] <knome> this is only for those mirrors who only want to serve xubuntu
[17:54] <knome> if you serve ubuntu, then go the usual route
[17:54] <knome> if not, then still kind of meet the requirements and leave us a note.
[17:54] <knome> make sense?
[17:55] <knome> 4 --> "Your HTTP(S) URL and optionally FTP and rsync URLs" ?
[17:56] <pleia2> sure
[17:56] <knome> for Unit193 too as he commented on that
[17:56] <knome> that's from the "registering" part
[17:56] <knome> the other part is modded as you suggested
[17:56] <pleia2> thanks
[17:56] <Unit193> \o/
[17:56] <knome> and the page is updated with all things now
[17:56] <Unit193> knome: Yes, thanks for writing it up.
[17:56] <knome> go see!
[17:56] <knome> np
[17:57] <knome> i had just the right time and motivation slot, so hurray
[17:57] <pleia2> hehe
[17:58] <pleia2> "but you can be more specific if you will" is weird, I'd just say "but you may be more specific"
[17:58] <knome> ok
[17:59] <knome> another update, refresh your browser
[17:59] <pleia2> lgtm
[17:59] <knome> Unit193, helps me more if you refer with the mouseover tooltips, that's what i see in the admin
[18:01] <Unit193> knome: I could do that, but I too am not checking manually so would have to find them.
[18:01] <Unit193> I wondered where in the world ?p=4362 so searched the source even. :P
[18:01] <knome> Unit193, mirrors.fe ... doesn't give me 404
[18:02] <knome> oh
[18:02] <knome> that link does
[18:02] <knome> hmm
[18:02] <knome> err
[18:03] <Unit193> Yeah, info page.
[18:03] <knome> the non-working mirrors are removed from the list
[18:04] <Unit193> Thanks.
[18:05] <knome> and non-working info link removed
[18:06] <knome> should we be more exact on the contact info?
[18:06] <knome> i guess i mostly meant "email address"
[18:06] <knome> we don't need postal addresses or such nonsense
[18:16] <knome> do we want to make the mirror instructions official now or is there any reason to sleep overnight?
[18:18] <pleia2> make it so!
[18:19] <knome> oki
[18:20] <knome> and let's announce on the mailing list tii
[18:20] <knome> too too
[18:20] <pleia2> k
[18:25] <knome> and done
[18:25] <slickymaster>  /away "At work"
[18:25] <knome> no
[18:25] <knome> :P
[18:25] <knome> (have fun)
[18:36] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-terminal 0.8.7 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-terminal-0-8-7-released-tp50713.html (by Igor Zakharov)
[19:52] <pleia2> I told the social media internet too
[19:53] <knome> :)
[22:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: ping https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/find-cursor/+merge/339500
[22:25] <ochosi> that's needed after the 4.12.2 release of xfce4-settings
[22:28] <ochosi> also, i still want to push in that little print script as thunar helper, not sure in which package to put it though (xubuntu-default-settings currently doesn't contain any scripts). any ideas?
[22:31] <ochosi> anyway, put the PR there just in case: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/thunar-uca-print/+merge/339501
[22:42] <bluesabre> ochosi: xubuntu-default-settings seems sensible. We ship the xdg-xubuntu-templates script there
[22:42] <ochosi> ah right
[22:43] <ochosi> currently finalizing my find-cursor branch
[22:43] <ochosi> i'm ready to merge now to the 4.12 branch
[22:44] <bluesabre> awesome
[22:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: want me to squash the history..?
[22:50] <ochosi> somehow i'm not a huge fan of squashing...
[22:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: it's your call :)
[22:56] <ochosi> whooop-dee-doo, and it's pushed
[22:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-terminal <IP_ADDRESS> released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-terminal-0-8-7-1-released-tp50719.html (by Igor Zakharov)
[22:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: awesome-er :D
[22:57] <bluesabre> anything else you want in that release?
[22:57] <ochosi> i think i'm pretty good
[22:57] <ochosi> the only downside is the new (untranslated) strings
[22:58] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:58] <ochosi> but we can do another translation release later too
[22:58] <ochosi> it's not a huge problem
[22:58] <bluesabre> if you want to also merge your 4.13 version of that, we can get a week of translations before we release
[22:58] <ochosi> (and it's just two strings, of which one is a tooltip)
[22:58] <ochosi> hrm, right. that may be an option
[22:59] <bluesabre> or just release and do a translations bump in a month
[22:59] <bluesabre> I'm content either way
[22:59] <ochosi> same here
[22:59] <ochosi> personally i prefer the current string
[22:59] <ochosi> i reworked it before the push just to be sure
[23:00] <ochosi> oh also
[23:00] <ochosi> in this case no translations
[23:00] <ochosi> i always worked on user branches
[23:00] <ochosi> so there's only one option, release now and then do a translation release
[23:01] <ochosi> regarding the print script, where would you put that? simply /usr/bin?

[23:01] <bluesabre> :D
[23:01] <bluesabre> that might be right
[23:02] <bluesabre> How much work would it be to catch https://git.xfce.org/users/ochosi/xfce4-settings/?h=find-cursor up to find-cursor-4.12?
[23:02] <bluesabre> might be weird releasing a new feature in the stable release without it existing in the dev release
[23:02] <ochosi> probably not that much
[23:02] <ochosi> yeah
[23:03] <ochosi> i can "frontport" all those things until friday latest
[23:03] <ochosi> if that's good enough for you
[23:03] <bluesabre> certainly
[23:04] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [find-cursor] r651 Add keyboard shortcut for xfce4-find-cursor... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[23:04] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [thunar-uca-print] r652 Add custom action for thunar-print... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[23:04] <bluesabre> Will probably plan 4.12.2 to go out wednesday anyway to get it in before FF
[23:07] <ochosi> sounds good
[23:07] <ochosi> so pushing the thunar-print script would be fine just to /usr/bin?
[23:07] <bluesabre> I think so
[23:08] <bluesabre> Unit193 might have a better preference
[23:08] <bluesabre> the resident packaging guru
[23:08] <ochosi> :)
[23:08] <ochosi> i updated the branch with the script so he has an easier time fixing it up
[23:10] <ochosi> Unit193: could you please review? https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/thunar-uca-print/+merge/339501 thanks!
[23:11] <ochosi> alrighty, now i just need to do another notifyd-release to rid us from the crashes
[23:12] <bluesabre> woo!
[23:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: looking forward to that one ;)
[23:12] <ochosi> plus brought back hyperlink support
[23:13] <ochosi> and added an option to clear the icon cache
[23:13] <ochosi> (and some more minor bugfixes)
[23:14] <bluesabre> all great news
[23:14] <bluesabre> got a nice pa-plug update coming in a day or so
[23:15] <bluesabre> biggest feature is auto-switching of the audio output for active streams
[23:17] <bluesabre> bionic is going to be a lovely lts :)
[23:17] <ochosi> weeee
[23:17] <ochosi> indeed
[23:28] <ochosi> nighty all
[23:30] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi


[00:06] <chrisccoulson> wow, appmenu-gtk also makes nm-applet crash too, so it's not just firefox
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, must remember to run gdb on a separate console when debugging a crash that occurs with an open menu
[04:27] <bobby_> Has anyone tried searching anything from the awesome bar in 4.0b5pre recently?
[04:28] <bobby_> All I get is: The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded
[04:36] <bobby_> Okay, nevermind I'm an idiot... should have installed the google search addon eh? Doesn't come already installed :s
[04:36] <gavin> huh?
[04:37] <gavin> mozilla distributed builds certainly come with google by default
[04:37] <bobby_> Nope. Firefox 4.0b5pre didn't have it.
[04:37] <bobby_> I did a clean install yesterday, and didn't work until I just installed the Google search addon
[04:37] <gavin> what build are you using, exactly?
[04:37] <gavin> where did you get it?
[04:38] <bobby_> Whatever the current daily ppa build is.
[04:38] <gavin> I don't know what ppa builds are
[04:38] <gavin> they're not mozilla-distributed, though
[04:38] <bobby_> The Mozilla daily repository...
[04:39] <gavin> so potentially an issue with distro builds post-mozilla bug 586821
[04:39] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 586821 in Search "Add affiliate URL queries to location bar search" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586821
[04:39] <bobby_> Yeah, looks like that is it
[04:39] <bobby_> It just gave me suggestions for engines
[04:39] <bobby_> I was freaking out for a bit there...
[04:40] <gavin> what gave you suggestions?
[04:41] <bobby_> Not the Awesome bar, but the engine search bar to the right of it
[04:41] <bobby_> Only when I was on Wikipedia and YouTube though, it gave me suggestions to use those engines
[04:41] <gavin> hmm, no micahg/asac in scrollback
[04:41] <gavin> normally I would ask them
[04:42] <bobby_> same
[04:42]  * gavin knows mozilla, not so much ubuntu :)
[04:42] <bobby_> ... Hence you are in the UBUNTU Mozilla daily server?
[04:43] <bobby_> This is strange though, as previous builds have not had this issue before...
[04:43] <gavin> I'm here because I can help with mozilla stuff
[04:44] <gavin> that bug landed on the 14th
[04:45] <bobby_> THAT would be why...
[04:45] <bobby_> I did a clean install yesterday...
[04:45] <bobby_> I kind of miss the 3.7 alphas...
[04:46] <bobby_> Is 4.0 still on track for November?
[04:57] <bobby_> Hey, will Firefox 4.0 for Linux contain any soft of hardware acceleration?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> anyone know how to export all extensions of a chromium / chrome browser ?
[20:26] <fta> nice, seems my bnc is working
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> fta - cool!
[20:32] <fta> i just need to be sure that i don't miss messages when i reconnect
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - is that pretty easy to set up?
[20:33] <fta> supposed to, but i hit a bug with the md5 passwords, i had to trick it
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. where are you running the software too?
[20:34] <fta> on a server at work
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> cool! i'm actually thinking about renting some virtual server space from my ISP, for other reasons
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> but i might set up something like bnc there too ;)
[20:35] <fta> the bnc runs on a remote server, but only locally, then i have an ssh tunnel from home. and my xchat client just connects to the local end of that tunnel, hence it's private & secure, no need to open yet another port on the server
[20:36] <fta> i do the same for evolution and my smtp & imap servers
[20:37] <fta> so this server just has ssh and strong keys
[20:39] <fta> of course, if you don't care about security/privacy, you can run the bnc like any irc server, no need for ssh
[21:01] <fta> now, what i need is a terminal mixing xterm+ssh+tmux


[08:06] <Unit193> There's yet another mailing that notes a problem with the website, but I'm not seeing the phrase on the page noted nor in the source...
[08:07] <Unit193> (https://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/)
[10:36] <Tinkery> ochosi can you guide me where to start?
[10:36] <Tinkery> i was busy cleaning my house, need it to do these days
[21:03] <bluesabre> Fix for the xfce/firefox snap issue, in case anybody wants to test: https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/-/merge_requests/69


[01:56] <LaserJock> evening all
[16:44] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ping
[17:34] <LaserJock> ok, we need testers!!
[17:34] <openyost> Does anyone know if it is too late to.....
[17:34] <LaserJock> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20091021/
[17:34] <openyost> Ok nevermind LaserJock answered my question
[17:34] <LaserJock> openyost: to late for what?
[17:35] <openyost> I was about to ask about testing
[17:35] <LaserJock> we need http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all
[17:36] <LaserJock> filled out using the DVD from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20091021/
[20:58] <fasthans> hello highvoltage
[20:59] <fasthans> sbalneav told me to come here if I want to help and mentioned your name
[21:01] <LaserJock> fasthans: what kinds of things are you interested in?
[21:01] <fasthans> well I am new
[21:01] <fasthans> I don't know yet where I can best help
[21:02] <fasthans> I have a few computers and I am constantly wiping and installing something...
[21:02] <LaserJock> fasthans: well, why don't you tell us a little about yourself and we can see
[21:02] <fasthans> I did that yesterday, but no sweat ;-)
[21:03] <LaserJock> ah, sorry for the repeat
[21:04] <fasthans> I am programming in java, groovy, beanshell with apache velocity. java servlets, webapps. I am building a datawarehouse based on infobright/mysql and pentahoe. I do a lot of data migration jobs, work with databases, creating interfaces. work with windows and linux but mainly linux
[21:04] <fasthans> ... and I am teching linux at our local school of our little town since two years using edubuntu
[21:04] <fasthans> teaching I meant to say
[21:05] <LaserJock> cool
[21:05] <fasthans> I came to edubuntu and ltsp because the school forbid to touch the existing system
[21:06] <fasthans> so I put together a server and hooked up the clients and bootet 15 clients to the surprise of the head of school and the math techer ;-)
[21:07] <LaserJock> heh
[21:07] <fasthans> mean while they learned to appreciate the alternative...
[21:07] <fasthans> so. I want to help.
[21:08] <fasthans> but difficult to find where to start. so many new people, many things I don't know or understand.
[21:10] <fasthans> the company I work for is heavy in windows. this year - after 4 years I worked there - I made it get some linux redhat 64 bit servers. my company is also heavy into Citrix
[21:11] <fasthans> and thin clients...
[21:12] <fasthans> and I working on replacing all that with linux and thin clients one day... maybe in the next 50 years.....
[21:13] <fasthans> its a long way the top if you wanna ... (anyone know this song?)
[21:13] <LaserJock> fasthans: ok, so you've got some LTSP experience
[21:13] <LaserJock> fasthans: got some technical experience
[21:13] <fasthans> yes. some
[21:13] <LaserJock> those are good
[21:13] <fasthans> I have a running system so I don't touch it too much.
[21:14] <fasthans> I have to teach each week on this system.
[21:14] <fasthans> but now I have a seperae system at home. not qute the same, but I can test things here.
[21:15] <LaserJock> fasthans: the main areas are: testing, bug triage, packaging, documentation (which includes wiki work, edubuntu.org website, and/or docbook), artwork
[21:15] <fasthans> ok. lets see
[21:16] <fasthans> testing I could do. is this more testing of individual software or a whole distribution?
[21:16] <LaserJock> any of it
[21:16] <fasthans> what is bug triage? (I am german )
[21:17] <fasthans> no artwork. please if you don't want to upset people
[21:17] <LaserJock> "triage" is a term used like in a war when the medics go through the wounded and figure out priority, and make sure immediate things are done
[21:18] <LaserJock> so bug triage is the process where you take an initial bug report and you essentially turn it into something the developers (doctors) can fix or work on
[21:18] <fasthans> I am not a native englisch speaking person. I do speak english quite well I think, but I don't know if it is enough for documentation purposes.
[21:18] <fasthans> you verify the existence of the bug and look for solutins?
[21:19] <LaserJock> and ask for needed info
[21:19] <LaserJock> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[21:19] <fasthans> that sound interesting. good for a pea counter like me...
[21:19] <fasthans> but where do I start.
[21:20] <LaserJock> the link above lists Edubuntu packages
[21:20] <LaserJock> and gives their open bug count
[21:20] <fasthans> yes. I have seen that yesterday. and I have an account. I looked through some of the listed items yesterday.
[21:20] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[21:20] <LaserJock> ^^ is some good instructions on triaging bugs
[21:21] <fasthans> ok tks.
[21:21] <LaserJock> I think the thing we need most right now is to go through the whole list
[21:21] <LaserJock> and get rid of the old bugs
[21:21] <LaserJock> like ones where the people never responded to give needed info
[21:21] <fasthans> those are only edubuntu related issues?
[21:22] <LaserJock> fasthans: that first link I gave you, yeah
[21:22] <LaserJock> as you can see there's ~ 270 open bugs
[21:22] <fasthans> ok. I can do that. what is the right way to list and communicate my findings?
[21:23] <LaserJock> to start with, if somebody is around here you can just ask
[21:23] <fasthans> ok.
[21:23] <LaserJock> also #ubuntu-bugs is the central channel for bug work for the whole Ubuntu project
[21:23] <LaserJock> they can give help too if it's a bit dead in here
[21:23] <fasthans> but please don't be angry if I produce a lot of questions.
[21:23] <LaserJock> heh
[21:24] <LaserJock> don't worry about that
[21:24] <fasthans> you will need to have some patience with me.
[21:24] <LaserJock> you have to realize, we were all just like you at one point
[21:24] <LaserJock> we don't mind questions
[21:24] <fasthans> ok. so I will try to provide a daily dose of my 2 cents...
[21:25] <LaserJock> I'm going to be coming and going a little here, I'm trying to get some experiments done
[21:25] <Lns> fasthans: you have a lot of db experience? this is a shot in the dark, but i know for one it would be REALLY nice to have a user progress mechanism in tuxtype. (join #tux4kids)
[21:25] <LaserJock> but if you ask, I'll answer at some point
[21:25] <fasthans> I can do some translation work if that is necessary - german and italian.
[21:26] <fasthans> lns: yes I work every dy with databases.
[21:26] <fasthans> lns, but reduced it mainly to mysql and infobright.
[21:27] <Lns> fasthans: if you enjoy it this might be a good project to help out the tux4kids apps.. typing tutors are a big thing in schools obviously and having a progress tracking system in open source typing tutors like tuxtype would be phenominal
[21:27] <fasthans> yes no problem.
[21:28] <fasthans> I will check out the #tux4kids room
[21:39] <LaserJock> darn it, this DVD is kicking my butt
[22:55] <flint> highvoltage, I am UTC incapable... when / where is your next meeting?


[09:52] <theblaze> Hi everyone please check out the Ubuntu-za channel in zello. Zello is a cross-platform push to talk client which works on windows,  Linux (with wine),  android, iPhone and blackberry
[09:53] <theblaze> Data usage is quite low
[09:53] <Banlam> why isn't there a dedicated version for linux?
[09:54] <theblaze> They haven't developed one
[09:54] <Banlam> well yeah, but are they going to
[09:56] <theblaze> Not sure
[09:57] <theblaze> Ill submit a request
[09:57] <Banlam> ag, i was just curious
[09:57] <Banlam> how are you involved wtih Zello, or are you purely a user?
[09:58] <theblaze> Just a user
[09:58] <Banlam> cool
[09:58] <theblaze> But try it out its quite nice
[09:59] <Banlam> will give the mobile version a go later
[09:59] <theblaze> are u ios,  blackberry or androud
[09:59] <theblaze> Cool
[09:59] <Banlam> android
[09:59] <theblaze> Good me 2
[09:59] <Banlam> i'm quite content with my desktop client atm
[10:00] <theblaze> Ur irc client?
[10:00] <Banlam> XChat
[10:01] <theblaze> I'm talking about " [11:59] (Banlam) i'm quite content with my desktop client atm"
[10:01] <Banlam> yes
[10:01] <Banlam> i'm using XChat on my desktop
[10:02] <theblaze> OK btw this isn't irc in case you understood wrong
[10:02] <Banlam> oh right
[10:02] <Banlam> i see now
[10:02] <Banlam> i just assumed
[10:03] <Banlam> because you mentioned viewing this channel with it
[10:03] <theblaze> Nah. Its a push to talk program eg.  Push a button and u can talk
[10:04] <theblaze> Made a channel with same name
[10:04] <Banlam> :)
[10:06] <theblaze> Yeah
[12:54] <smile> hi :)
[12:55] <Kerbero> o/
[13:12] <charl> hi smile
[13:12] <charl> hi Kerbero
[13:37] <smile> hi charl :)
[13:37] <smile> how are you? :)
[13:59] <charl> smile: i'm good thanks yourself?
[13:59] <charl> this channel is a bit slow today
[13:59] <charl> oh here's Kilos !
[13:59] <Kilos> afternoon all
[13:59] <smile> hallo Kilos :)
[13:59] <charl> hi Kilos, how's your weekend been going
[13:59] <smile> charl: I'm fine also :)
[13:59] <Kilos> had big modem vodacom hassles since last night
[13:59] <smile> :o
[13:59] <smile> Kilos: you fixed it? :p
[13:59] <charl> ah no, that sucks, what happened
[14:00] <Kilos> pidgin and xchat couldnt connect
[14:00] <smile> :s
[14:00] <Kilos> my modem normally shows green when connected, was showing red which it never does
[14:01] <Kilos> 1 bar signal strenth on nm and then 3 then 1
[14:01] <Kilos> grrr
[14:01] <Kilos> must be vodacom
[14:01] <charl> yeah weird
[14:01] <charl> glad it's better now so you can come back on irc :)
[14:01] <Kilos> i think its the mobile provider smile
[14:01] <charl> being offline sucks
[14:02] <smile> Kilos: no good provider out there? :o
[14:02] <Kilos> yeah sucks being offline
[14:02] <Kilos> nope smile. each as bad or worse than the next
[14:02] <smile> Kilos: Do you know - you were offline about 20 years ago - could you imagine? :)
[14:02] <Kilos> all well here guys?
[14:02] <theblaze> kilos why don't you get an adsl line?
[14:02] <smile> yes i'm fine, thanks Kilos :)
[14:03] <charl> theblaze: adsl? now it is going from bad to worse :)
[14:03] <charl> my mom uses that, not good
[14:03] <Kilos> no lines to the plot theblaze fone wires got stolen too often so telcom refused to replace them
[14:03] <theblaze> Eish
[14:03] <charl> yeah i had that same story even in crowthorne 10 years ago
[14:04] <charl> crowthorne in midrand
[14:04] <charl> this is ironical, we were living right behind a telkom satellite station and still had no copper cable just a few kilometre down the street
[14:04] <charl> i think it was called mercury road
[14:04] <Kilos> lol
[14:04] <charl> yeah can you believe it
[14:05] <theblaze> Kilos , Charl: did u see what I posted about zello.
[14:05] <Kilos> nope
[14:06] <Kilos> posted where
[14:06] <theblaze> [11:52] (theblaze) Hi everyone please check out the Ubuntu-za channel in zello.  Was hoping I could use Linux for gaming
[14:07] <theblaze> Only play open source then I guess
[14:08] <Mezenir> valve confirmed they are working on a steam client for linux
[14:08] <Kilos> theblaze, lots of guys do but im still on 10.10
[14:08] <Mezenir> so it is coming
[14:08] <Kilos> so old wine and all
[14:08] <charl> theblaze: you can try steam if you want https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux
[14:08] <theblaze> Yeah I know about steam coming. Ea too I think
[14:08] <theblaze> Still don't have a PC :/
[14:09] <Kilos> eish
[14:09] <theblaze> Yeah.  Motherboard replacement costs r3500
[14:09] <charl> that's quite expensive just for a motherboard
[14:09] <charl> 350 euro? you could buy a whole new pc for that
[14:10] <theblaze> 3500 Rand and I know
[14:10] <Kilos> wow
[14:10] <theblaze> Going to get CPU and ram from laptop then build a pc
[14:11] <charl> brb
[14:13] <theblaze> Pity I can't save the graphics card ... but it was nvida anyway
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:14] <theblaze> Does anyone know if intergrated graphics are part of CPU or motherboard?
[14:14] <smile> theblaze: you don't need nvidia ;)
[14:14] <smile> theblaze: it's integrated on the motherboard, I think :)
[14:15] <theblaze> I know :) shit
[14:15] <theblaze> Gina need a goodish motherboard then
[14:16] <smile> theblaze: I have AMD :) (ATI)
[14:16] <theblaze> Cool. Intergrated ?
[14:17] <smile> no. A card :)
[14:17] <smile> & Intel integrated graphics, I think
[14:19] <theblaze> OK. I don't think Intel intergrated graphics is too bad is it?
[14:20] <theblaze> At the moment I can probobaly spend r500
[14:21] <smile> theblaze: no, it works fine. :)
[14:22] <smile> I only need the video card for my bad monitor, which needs the RAM inside the card
[14:22] <theblaze> Good. And the prices?  Can I get one under r500
[14:22] <theblaze> Lol
[14:22] <theblaze> I want to be able to play waste land 2
[14:29] <Kilos> theblaze, what does your mb do exactly
[14:30] <theblaze> What do you mean?
[14:30] <Kilos> they dont often crash beyond repair
[14:30] <Kilos> here and there
[14:30] <Kilos> what happens when you try boot
[14:31] <theblaze> It switches on but doesn't display anything. It starts fan etc but not the screen. Then it switches off after about 5 secobds
[14:31] <theblaze> Seconds *:
[14:32] <Kilos> and if you go into bios and leave it there does it also switch off?
[14:33] <Kilos> or only after bios has loaded
[14:34] <theblaze> It doesn't switch screen on and I can't remember which kek
[14:34] <Kilos> oh so you dont even see the bios setup?
[14:35] <smile> theblaze: well, mine was about 950r :)
[14:35] <theblaze> Yep
[14:35] <Kilos> theblaze, lappy?
[14:35] <theblaze> OK gotta save up for a few more months then
[14:35] <theblaze> Kilos ys
[14:35] <theblaze> Yes*
[14:35] <Kilos> eish
[14:36] <theblaze> Pretty good one too. Almost perfect compatibility on linlap. Com
[14:36] <Kilos> try taking it to the agents or a good pc shop and ask for a quote on repairs
[14:36] <Kilos> what make?
[14:37] <theblaze> We took it to Acer and they said r4100 for mobo and labour
[14:37] <theblaze> Acer aspire 5741g
[14:37] <Kilos> whew they not shy hey
[14:38] <theblaze> Yep.  In the meantime a USB stick with persistence is good dnough
[14:40] <Kilos> booting from where theblaze ?
[14:40] <theblaze> School has computers
[14:40] <Kilos> sorry if i ask stupid questions
[14:40] <Kilos> oh ok
[14:41] <smile> theblaze: well, I don't know how much you earn :p
[14:41] <theblaze> my parents give me r50 per week
[14:43] <charl> lol
[14:43] <charl> that is not going to go very far
[14:43] <charl> that's 5 euro
[14:43] <theblaze> Yeah.  Have to save up for a few months
[14:43] <charl> phew no kidding
[14:44] <theblaze> Currently at about 50 euro
[14:56] <theblaze> Just a question : which is best - vi or emacs
[14:57] <Kerbero> nano :P
[14:58] <theblaze> hoping to start flame war :(
[14:58] <theblaze> Yeah nano  is quite nice
[14:58] <charl> vim
[14:58] <charl> vi is for the old school
[14:58] <charl> nano is for noobs
[14:58] <charl> emacs are for gnubies
[14:58] <charl> *is
[14:58] <theblazephone> +1 to charl
[14:59] <theblazephone> Btw what is different between vi and vim
[14:59] <charl> vim is vi improved
[14:59] <charl> it is the awesomesauce
[14:59] <charl> and has extra desu
[14:59] <theblazephone> I know it stands for improved. What is improved?
[14:59] <charl> it also has more win and more nyan
[15:00] <charl> also more caramell
[15:00] <charl> sheesh i just referenced like 10 memes
[15:01] <theblazephone> Haha yeah
[15:03] <theblazephone> Watch #linux :)
[15:09] <Kilos> whew too many peeps there
[15:14] <charl> brb going out to the shop to get something to eat
[15:14] <charl> on my own tonight
[15:14] <Kilos> lol ok charl
[15:16] <theblazephone> Posted question on omegle as well.  Don't think people will know what I'm talking about
[15:18] <theblazephone> Question to discuss: vi or emacs
[15:20] <theblazephone> Question to discuss: Linux is the best os
[15:20] <theblazephone> Faith in humanity restored
[16:17] <charl> lol
[16:18] <Kilos> ?
[16:39] <Kilos> yo psydroid
[16:40] <Kilos> really serious winter in pta tonight
[16:40] <Kilos> hi goar superfly inetpro nuvolari
[16:40] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:40] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:40] <psydroid> hi zeref
[16:41] <psydroid> Kilos, doesn't the heating work?
[16:41] <psydroid> hi superfly
[16:41] <Kilos> no man some took the sun away
[16:43] <superfly> hi psydroid
[16:54] <Kilos> superfly, please tell everyone i say hi there. its much too cold to sit here tonight
[16:54] <superfly> OK
[16:54] <Kilos> night all you guys. sleep tight
[16:54] <superfly> kry warm oom
[16:55] <Kilos> ty
[16:55] <Kilos> sjoe. sal probeer dankie
[17:45] <charl> are there any recommendations for buying a new laptop?
[17:45] <charl> my old one is getting... well... old
[17:48] <tumbleweed> thinkpad x1 is probably available soon
[17:48] <tumbleweed> I see the x230 has appeared, but still has a fairly low screen resolution
[18:34] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah at this point i am strongly considering the thinkpad
[18:34] <charl> that might be a good route to go after all
[18:37] <smile> bye :)
[18:58] <Mezenir> if you want to use truecrypt look for a laptop which cpu supports aes-ni instructions
[19:09] <charl> that's a good tip Mezenir although i don't really use truecrypt
[19:10] <Mezenir> oki
[19:10] <Mezenir> im definitetly going for that in my next laptop thou
[19:11] <charl> could make a difference indeed
[19:19] <Mezenir> gnite all
[19:49] <charl> nn all
[20:05] <Banlam> "You can find a kulula plane at the following destinations: ...George (Near PE and Knysna) George Airport ..."
[20:05] <Banlam> van wanneer af is george naby aan PE?
[20:06] <Banlam> wrong channel :/
[20:07] <superfly> Banlam: but a good question
[20:08] <Banlam> indeed
[21:30] <Guest2099> hi
[21:31] <zeref> herro
[21:31] <Guest2099> hw r we
[21:31] <zeref> we are good :D
[21:33] <nathi> cool...am Nathi...from East London
[21:33] <superfly> hi nathi, come to find out if there are any other Ubuntu users in East London?
[21:33] <zeref> welcome to ubuntu-za
[21:33] <superfly> I know there's a Vijay on the mailing list who lives in EL
[21:34] <nathi> yeah something like that...
[21:34] <superfly> nathi: Are you using Unity, or Gnome Shell?
[21:34] <nathi> hey...thanks for welcome
[21:35] <superfly> or are you a KDE fan?
[21:35] <nathi> not sure what's that is all abt...jst new here...
[21:36] <zeref> o0
[21:36] <nathi> ma bad...what u guys chat abt here?
[21:36] <zeref> mainly about ubuntu linux distribution
[21:36] <magespawn> Evening all
[21:37] <superfly> hey magespawn
[21:38] <superfly> nathi: it's a free alternative to Windows
[21:38] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[21:38] <magespawn> Newcomer?
[21:38]  * superfly needs to get some sleep
[21:39] <superfly> magespawn: uh, I guess you could say that
[21:40] <superfly> yeah, go away twit
[21:40] <superfly> we don't need any desperate guys looking for girls to sext
[21:40] <superfly> %^$%^$% chatmosphere
[21:41] <zeref> when i saw that i was like *sigh*
[21:41] <superfly> zeref: that's why I instantly launched into talk about Unity/Gnome/etc
[21:42] <zeref> lol
[21:42] <superfly> as soon as they see that we're not a bunch of girls waiting for desperate guys, they quit
[21:42] <magespawn> That is just sad. If you can't talk to people face to face how are going to do it here.
[21:43] <magespawn> Do any girls do that?
[21:43] <superfly> anyways, I need to get some shuteye... night guys
[21:43] <zeref> perma ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:43] <zeref> ciao superfly
[21:45] <magespawn> Later superfly
[21:45] <magespawn> I always miss the interesting ones.
[21:47] <zeref> btw magespawn: since its holidays i'e started working on my little python project, im just busu readiing up on using Git, then i'l put it there.
[21:51] <magespawn> Holidays? zerefnarenyou a student or a teacher?
[21:51] <zeref> student
[21:51] <magespawn> zeref are you a student or a teacher?
[21:52] <magespawn> Ahh right. What are you studying?
[21:52] <zeref> comp eng
[21:52] <magespawn> I seen to hit n when going for the space bar
[21:52] <zeref> troll keyboard
[21:52] <magespawn> Nice.
[21:53] <magespawn> Lets us know when it is up, I will help when I can.
[21:54] <zeref> cool
[21:57] <magespawn> Touch screen keyboard, and typing with my thumbs AND not reading what I type before I hit send.
[22:14] <magespawn> Well with that I am off too, night all


[00:11] <hbons> hi, can anyone tell me what the default size for the appindicator icon is?
[00:11] <hbons> and where do i install the symbolic versions?
[00:48] <alhrath> Hi all! Small issue here : I want to force the use of the notification area insted of the indicator applet for my application. Actually it does at boot time, but if I quit/restart, it goes back in the wild land of the indicator, where tooltips are unknown ... Any idea of how to do that ? [ubuntu 11.04/GNOME 2.32.1/application written in python/tray defined with the gtk lib]
[01:01] <Omega> o/ Daekdroom
[01:02] <Daekdroom> Hello
[01:05] <Omega> I haven't seen you this cycle :P
[01:09] <hbons> alhrath: why do you want to force it?
[01:09] <hbons> meh
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Omega, This channel is in my autojoin.
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Given my computer is on for about 8 hours a day, atleast...
[01:37] <Daekdroom> (and that I never close IRC)
[01:44] <Omega> I should have said spoken to you.
[01:44] <Omega> (I'm also always here)
[04:41] <JohanSJA> hi, could we create something like this in Ubuntu using existing technology? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
[04:44] <Omega> JohanSJA: what do you mean?
[04:46] <JohanSJA> Omega, I am looking forward to build an application which would be heavily relied on touch interaction. So is there any tools for us to use to create such UX in Ubuntu?
[04:47] <Omega> Yes! Look at utouch
[04:47] <Omega> http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/
[04:49] <JohanSJA> Omega: How mature is the toolkit at current stage? Documentation? Support?
[04:49] <Omega> https://launchpad.net/utouch
[04:50] <Omega> I haven't worked with it on the development side.
[04:50] <Omega> But you can get support for it, sure.
[04:50] <Omega> They have an irc channel, mailing list, wiki
[04:50] <Omega> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
[04:55] <JohanSJA> Omega: thanks for that
[08:11] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:11] <JohanSJA> morning...
[08:16] <andyrock> good morning
[08:32] <andyrock> i need someone expert in nux... could you help me?
[08:35] <JohanSJA> andyrock: i can't. perhaps someone else?
[08:42] <andyrock> JohanSJA, unfortunately jaytaoko isn't around
[08:43] <JohanSJA> andyrock: then you will just have to wait for him
[08:43] <JohanSJA> :)
[10:50] <ronoc> HarryHaaren, ping !
[10:50] <ronoc> tis me
[15:27] <cyphermox> tedg: for dbusmenu, I can find the about-to-show and show-to-user signals, but not so much some show/hide, could you please hint me where I should be looking?
[16:03] <tedg> cyphermox, There's not a specific signal for it.  You'll need to use the generic event signal and match the names with the defines.  DBUSMENU_MENUITEM_EVENT_OPENED
[16:04] <cyphermox> ok
[16:10] <savid> Does anyone know why when I create a chrome application shortcut,  it doesn't show up as its own window in the unity panel?
[16:10] <savid> It just shows up as another sub-window of chrome


[07:37] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:38] <nigelb> dholbach: Want to post the weekly stats this week?
[07:39] <dholbach> I'm not sure the weekly stats are the best way to reach out
[07:39] <nigelb> dholbach: I want to do a blog post of a patch I applied
[07:39] <nigelb> but the amont of trouble I went to do it, might scare others
[07:40] <dholbach> how much trouble was it?
[07:40] <dholbach> generally I think that discussing examples is a good idea
[07:40] <nigelb> It was a tar-in-tar package
[07:40] <dholbach> and makes it a bit clearer
[07:40] <nigelb> Well, the actual step was easy.
[07:40] <nigelb> Figuring out what to do was tougher :)
[07:40] <dholbach> in that case you could make it 2 entries: one about the "review team" portion
[07:40] <dholbach> and one about the rest
[07:40] <nigelb> ahh, that makes sense
[07:41] <nigelb> I'll do it later today evening :)
[07:41] <dholbach> sweet


[00:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: I'll see what I can do, been dealing with health issues lately.
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: That was actually easy. Up and building.


[14:41] <elacheche> Hello AFRICA!
[14:49] <chesedo> Hi elacheche, how goes?
[15:22] <Kilos> hellooo cheche
[15:22] <Kilos> you settled yet?
[15:23] <Kilos> you must answer today elacheche
[15:30] <Kilos> ai! these multitaskers
[15:34] <elacheche> LooL Kilos :D x) Yep, I am good :)
[15:34] <elacheche> How are you my friend? How is your health?
[15:40] <Kilos> magic man
[15:40] <Kilos> fifth day with no heart pain
[15:41] <Kilos> and not sure what i took that did it'
[15:41] <Kilos> stopped all hospital meds and using natural herbs etc
[15:55] <elacheche> Good! I hope everything will be better :)
[16:00] <Kilos> ty


[04:27] <r4nge> i dont quite understand the re-read.. i removed an entry from event.d and then terminated the process and it just restarts
[04:05] <AlexExtreme> \o/
[04:05] <AlexExtreme> My upstart-native jobs worked
[04:24] <_ion> \/
[04:50] <AlexExtreme> hmm, when i say worked... they booted ok, then when i tried to shutdown, they broke badly :)
[05:38] <AlexExtreme> http://members.optusnet.com.au/clausen/ideas/upstart/index.html << does that have any relationship with the upstart we have now?
[05:43] <_ion> Probably not. :-)
[05:43] <_ion> I'll try to get the sysblock program done some day.
[05:44] <_ion> So you can do 'sysblock --physdev /dev/mapper/vg-root' and receive '/sys/block/sda /sys/block/sdb'
[05:44] <_ion> Or 'sysblock --dev --physdev /dev/sda1' and receive '/dev/sda' etc.
[05:45] <AlexExtreme> cool
[05:48] <_ion> And also the 'locking' program, so you can e.g. start 'locking sda sdb -- fsck /dev/mapper/vg-root' and 'locking sda -- fsck /dev/sda2' etc. simultaneously and have locking(1) take care of not running
[05:48] <_ion> multiple fsck instances on a single physical device.
[05:51] <AlexExtreme> cool
[06:03] <_ion> The idea on the mailing list about having the fsck job do something like 'initctl variable append filesystems-checked /dev/mapper/vg-root', 'initctl variable append filesystems-checked /dev/sda2' and the mount job do something like 'initctl variable list filesystems-checked | while read filesystem; ...' and 'initctl variable remove filesystems-checked /dev/sda1' etc. is really nice IMO.
[06:06] <AlexExtreme> :)
[06:06] <AlexExtreme> i might try to make a patch to do that sometime
[06:07] <_ion> The ordering of the names in the list shouldn't matter, and there shouldn't be any duplicate entries.
[06:07] <_ion> That is, duplicate entries should be ignored.
[06:08] <AlexExtreme> yes
[07:07] <concept10> Hello all.  Quick question, is bootchart compatible with upstart?
[07:11] <_ion> I don't see why not.
[07:19] <AlexExtreme> concept10, yes, i've used it with it
[07:19] <concept10> _ion, AlexExtreme thanks guys
[07:21] <AlexExtreme> mbiebl, do the upstart packages in experimental work on sarge or do i need unstable?
[07:22] <mbiebl> AlexExtreme: You'd have to recompile them.
[07:22] <AlexExtreme> damn
[07:22] <AlexExtreme> oh well
[07:23] <mbiebl> I'm also not sure if the 2.6 kernel in sarge is recent enough and has inotify support.
[07:23] <mbiebl> AlexExtreme: recompiling is simple then
[07:23] <AlexExtreme> meh, probably the glibc and gcc in sarge are too old
[07:25] <mbiebl> hm, right.
[07:25] <AlexExtreme> one day etch will be out and it'll probably work there :)
[07:26] <AlexExtreme> i would upgrade to testing anyway if my debian machine wasn't a server
[07:26] <mbiebl> he
[07:50] <AlexExtreme> damn
[07:50] <AlexExtreme> i keep forgetting to add upstart-devel to CC when replying to the list
[08:21] <mbiebl> AlexExtreme: http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension


[12:55] <jalt> Hi, is there any easy way to display the hostname somewhere on the panel?
[13:17] <Spass> hello jalt, you can use xfce4-genmon-plugin for that, with "hostname" command
[13:18] <jalt> hmm i guess i have to install it first
[13:19] <Spass> it should be in the repos
[13:19] <jalt> yep, configuring it now
[13:20] <jalt> works great! thanks Spass
[13:20] <Spass> np
[19:14] <dc_coder_84> Whith the latest stable thunderbird (52.8.0) and firefox (v. 60.0.1) I cannot open links from thunderbird. I only get a blank page in firefox when I click a link in thunderbird. Does anybody have the same problem?
[23:37] <tisch> Hello all!
[23:38] <tisch> Anyone here can help how to install vnc server on xubuntu 18.04?
[23:40] <well_laid_lawn> !vnc
[23:43] <tisch> !vnc
[23:44] <tisch> !FreeNX


[01:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[13:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[22:23] <arraybolt3> Just finished getting my Reddit account all set up nice. I have a link to the #ubuntu webchat on my account now. Might help more people get support when they need it.
[22:24] <murmel> arraybolt3: ot, but you really want to interact with reddit oO?
[22:24] <arraybolt3> I use Reddit quite a bit. I'm selective who I reply to and what I engage with, but Reddit is my social media.
[22:24] <arraybolt3> I do debate in my free time, so I actually enjoy working with a hoarde of angry people yelling at me. :P
[22:26] <murmel> arraybolt3: same, but I don't interact with reddit, just reading. but I ocassionally _do_ feel like responding. but having no account on reddit, prevents that


[00:39] <SonhadorPR> Hello all! Greetings from Puerto Rico! I am the "official/un-official" Admin of www.ubuntu-pr.org, Twitter: Ubuntu_PR, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-puerto-rico, amongst others.
[00:40] <SonhadorPR> I'm trying to get back control of #Ubuntu-PR, but ChanServ doesn't recognize me as OP. How can I do this?
[00:42] <k1l_> freenode deleted accounts form users that didnt log in a long time.
[00:43] <k1l_> so maybe your account with all its op permissions got dropped? or did someone change the channels access list?
[00:43] <SonhadorPR> OK, thanx! How can I recover it? when I perform the command /msg ChanServ info #Ubuntu-PR, my contact info is still there, my e-mail.
[00:43] <goodfox> the original owner dropped
[00:44] <goodfox> thus the channel now belongs to the freenode-staff pseudo account. IRCC can restore that for you, just wait for one in here
[00:44]  * nhandler is around to help once the IRCC approves the request
[00:44] <SonhadorPR> I don't think anybody changed the channel access list, I'm inside it right now, I'm just not OP, can't even change the topic.
[00:44] <k1l_> we need someone from the IRCC to confirm and then the freenode staff can set your permissions again
[00:45] <SonhadorPR> ok
[00:46] <SonhadorPR> ok, well, I'm here! :-) Thanx!
[00:47] <goodfox> SonhadorPR: your account is 3 hours old, as I mentioned, it got removed, which is what changed the access list.
[00:47] <goodfox> It just did put freenode-staff as founder, which is automatically done when a # channel owner drops.
[00:47] <goodfox> to avoid this in the future, try to not get your account dropped by  using it on a regular base and, well, not dropping it
[00:49] <SonhadorPR> Yes, that's when I forst logged in again, after years of inactivity. I'm trying to revive the program, or find somebody who wants to take it off my hands. But I also have the problem of Twitter, FB, the mailinglist, Wiki...etc. Anyway, glad for your help!
[00:59] <SonhadorPR> Is IRCC a person, a channel, a bot? How can I contact this person?
[00:59] <ninnnu_> IRCC = IRC Council
[01:03] <SonhadorPR> Oh. Good to know. Tell them to contact me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I gotta go to bed, I work tomorrow early. Thanx for all your help!
[07:00] <Flannel> Approximately 24h until IRCC voting ends. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2016-March/001844.html


[09:32] <xnox> Laney, thank you for analysis. I did sync python-debian over. not sure where that is stuck. I shall check libgnupg-perl too now.
[09:47] <Laney> xnox: welcome
[10:04] <xnox> Laney, libgnupg-perl_0.19-1ubuntu1 and parcimonie_0.10.2-1ubuntu1 uploaded should make things dandy....
[10:09] <Laney> fingers crossed
[10:09] <xnox> however parcimonie fails.... yet local build passes, and local adt tests pass too =(
[11:03] <xnox> ok libgnupg-perl was stuck without entropy.... uploaded one with pre-generated key
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, cjwatson I found some sort of bug in buildd
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> " INFO: pkgstripfiles: waiting for lock (glusterfs-dbg) ..."
[15:54] <LocutusOfBorg> this happens on all the architectures
[15:54] <LocutusOfBorg> race condition? can I retry them=
[15:54] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glusterfs/3.8.3-1ubuntu1/+build/10714418
[15:58] <cjwatson> doubtless a package bug of some kind; cancel it and you might see more
[16:02] <doko_> cjwatson, LocutusOfBorg: that's the parallelized pkgstripfiles code. if you find there a bug ... please tell me. I see this from time to time too
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg> doko_, my wonder too
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg> some race condition in the lock?
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, retrying
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg> but only ppc64el
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> still failing doko_
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> trying a local build now
[16:17] <cjwatson> you'll need to ensure to have pkgbinarymangler installed and possibly to do some extra gubbins to enable it (I forget)
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg> but how can it be a package bug?
[16:18] <cjwatson> dunno
[16:18] <cjwatson> v unlikely to be a buildd bug though :)  could be a pkgbinarymangler bug
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, I call "buildd" whatever is not packaging :)
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> confirming, the build works in pbuilder without pkgbinarymangler
[16:43] <doko_>    dh_builddeb -a
[16:43] <doko_> Found files in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages (must be in dist-packages for python2.7).
[16:43] <doko_> debian/glusterfs-common/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages
[16:43] <doko_> debian/glusterfs-common/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gluster
[16:43] <doko_> debian/glusterfs-common/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gluster/__init__.py
[16:43] <doko_> debian/glusterfs-common/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gluster/glupy
[16:43] <doko_> debian/glusterfs-common/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gluster/glupy/__init__.py
[16:43] <doko_> dh_builddeb.pkgbinarymangler: dpkg-deb --build debian/glusterfs-common .. returned exit code 1
[16:44] <doko_> LocutusOfBorg, cjwatson: ^^^  looks like dpkg-deb fails with an error, and then the pkgbinarymangle script doesn't cope with build errors and goes into an endless loop
[16:46] <LocutusOfBorg> doko_, why debian is good?
[16:46] <doko_> because debian doesn't have pkgbinarymangler?
[16:47] <LocutusOfBorg> no doko_ that part is fail of dpkg-deb, right?
[16:48] <doko_> I haven't checked
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, thanks, I'll fix it
[16:53] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: No, that check is implemented in pkgsanitychecks which is part of pkgbinarymangler.  It's hooked into dpkg-deb there.
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> doko_, can you explain this?
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> python -c 'from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print(get_python_lib(prefix="${exec_prefix}"))'
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.7/site-packages
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> python -c "from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print(get_python_lib())"
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg>  /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages
[16:55] <LocutusOfBorg> shouldn't it return dist-packages in both cases?
[16:57] <doko_> no, this is kind of a hack to force manually run setup.py's to override system packages. not perfect, but it keeps our python lib clean. why do you need to set an explicit prefix?
[16:58] <LocutusOfBorg> this get_python_lib is used to understand where to installl the python binding
[16:58] <LocutusOfBorg> and site-packages is returned instead of dist-packages
[16:59] <doko_> use dh-python, and it moves things around
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> now it calls dh_python2 lots of times
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> should I just do a mv debian/foo-dev/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/* debian/foo-bar/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ or whatever?
[17:03] <doko_> why do you call dh_python2 explicitly with site-packages?
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't even know what it does mean, I'm not the maintainer, just tried to fix the package in an Ubuntu merge :)
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the fix? remove the dh_python2=
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg> ?
[17:06] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'd like to release update-manager & xorg-server-lts-xenial now.  Its a day early so I'm looking for an ack.
[17:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: ack
[22:09] <infinity> cyphermox: Is that binutils/grub hack upstream?
[22:09] <infinity> cyphermox: Also, grub2-signed, please.
[22:10] <infinity> cyphermox: Ahh, the binutils hack is *from* upstream.  That works.
[23:49] <cyphermox> infinity: yes
[23:49] <cyphermox> grub2-signed coming up (sorry about that)