[00:00] <atlfalcons866> kde4 will be released in december and hardy will be released in april 2008
[00:00] <genii> lee__: We don't know yet if it's the same kernal as the driver expects, since you still have not reported the result of the command:  uname -m
[00:00] <lee__> ok how dow I check and verify that?
[00:00] <tsb> I just updated to gutsy and kopete sigterms
[00:00] <lee__> ok
[00:00] <tsb> oops, sorry
[00:00] <lee__> getting that line
[00:01] <MoNsTeR> how do i chown to make it so i can get into my windows partion
[00:01] <SteamMachine> Um.
[00:01] <SteamMachine> >_>
[00:02] <sub[t]rnl> intex: -f with apt attempts to fix broken dependencies.  In bash doing && after a command, will execute whats after the && only if the previous command was successful
[00:02] <atlfalcons866> uikpouioy\]\
[00:02] <ScorpKing> intex: i'll get you a few links. the -f is to force it i think and && puts the firts command in the background. when a program runs it also create a lock file so more that one instance of the program can't get started and mess things up. when the program fails the lockfile is left there even tho the program is not running anymore.
[00:02]  * genii sips a coffee and waits for the aspirin to kick in
[00:02] <lee__> ok this is waht I got on the first line befor you said the rot
[00:02] <ScorpKing> intex: let me grab those links for you. one sec...
[00:02] <lee__> -rwxr-xr-x 1 lee root 40335704 2007-10-16 05:22 /media/disk/ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run
[00:03] <lee__> is taht waht your looking for?
[00:03] <atlfalcons866> ,;;l
[00:03] <lee__> wait can you acceess my system?
[00:03] <ardchoille> genii: You and your coffee :)
[00:03] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: chown <whomever> /windows (or wherever you have it mounted)
[00:03] <lee__> maybe I am flat jsut not getting the line right or something
[00:04] <genii> ardchoille: :) I subsist on that and pizza mainly
[00:04] <sub[t]rnl> ScorpKing: -f is --fix-broken in apt
[00:04] <MoNsTeR> whats <whomever
[00:04] <ScorpKing> oh ok. :) ty
[00:04] <sub[t]rnl> whoever you want to change the ownership to
[00:04] <genii> lee__: Please. Type into a konsole this:                        uname -m
[00:04] <lee__> ok here it is genii
[00:04] <lee__> i found i
[00:04] <lee__> t
[00:05] <sub[t]rnl> ScorpKing: :P
[00:05] <lee__> x86_64
[00:05] <intex> Scorp, I can't write to you, because I'm not a registrered user...
[00:05] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: whats <whomever>
[00:05] <lee__> sorry that line slipped by
[00:05] <sub[t]rnl> whoever you want to change the ownership to
[00:05] <ScorpKing> intex: <sub[t]rnl> ScorpKing: -f is --fix-broken in apt
[00:06] <ardchoille> intex , ScorpKing: you can join #intex :)
[00:06] <genii> lee__: OK, good! Now we know at least that you have the correct driver downloaded
[00:06] <intex> #intex
[00:06] <lee__> hmm wait I have 2 of the same?
[00:06] <MoNsTeR> do i have to put <> around it sub[t]rnl
[00:06] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: negative
[00:07] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: example -> chown monster /windows
[00:07] <lee__> never mind..jsut the one
[00:07] <Dr_willis> sub[t]rnl,  Hmm.. I dident think you chould chown mountpoints.. or chmod them.
[00:08] <genii> lee__: You may want to copy the driver install file to your home directory and then try running it from there. It might be trying to create files on the drive you have it on right now when it tries to run.
[00:08] <Minataku> Dr_willis! :D
[00:08] <sub[t]rnl> Dr_willis: eep your right
[00:08] <Minataku> What's up? :3
[00:09] <Dr_willis> sub[t]rnl,  :)
[00:09] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[00:09] <Dr_willis> Hay Minataku  I keep meaning to head to the post office. but i get all tehse other Honeydooo jobs
[00:09] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  the box's are on the table and ready to take however.
[00:09] <Minataku> Well, ask her to tell you to go to the post office XD
[00:10] <Minataku> Cool, though, that's gonna be awesome when they get here :3
[00:10] <genii> Dr_willis: LOL Don't tell me YOU"RE sending him stuff too??
[00:10] <earthlyenvoy> I've got a dual boot question with xp prof media center ed
[00:10] <Minataku> I can add MORE to my collection! :D
[00:10] <Minataku> Heehee
[00:10] <genii> Minataku: Geez, soon you'll need a warehouse
[00:10] <cash> Im sorry no one news when will uploaded new release ? ))))
[00:10] <Minataku> I've had many people send me stuff :3
[00:10] <blendtux_> is cfs scheduler shipped with the kernel in kubuntu gutsy gibbon ?
[00:10] <earthlyenvoy> when I install kubuntu, will all the program files stay included in the perceived partition windows is on?
[00:10] <lee__> its eecuting
[00:10] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: heh, use umask
[00:11] <Dr_willis> I almost bought some "network cable" tools - but egads those things seem pricey
[00:11] <Minataku> Like crimpers and cutters and stuff?
[00:11] <genii> lee__: Whew, finally.
[00:11] <Minataku> Yeah, that telecom stuff is typically pretty expensive
[00:11] <SteamMachine> update: (in case anyone cares) it's getting to 13% and then just stopping. Not frozen exactly, but it won't do anything more.
[00:11] <Dr_willis> $50 for a Crimper/stripper/puncher/ and a bunch of ends.. :)  whats a decent brand to look for?
[00:11] <Dr_willis> I wonder if we got them at work. heh...
[00:11] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: what is that
[00:11] <Minataku> Oh, what's that telecom catalog I used to get
[00:11] <Minataku> I think it was Harris or something
[00:12] <Dr_willis> This was at menards  ;) proberly a rip off there.
[00:12] <Minataku> They seem like a good place to get telecom kit from
[00:12] <lee__> erg not sure if its the move or the screwy way I updated the machine
[00:13] <Greenery> i installed the restricted driver using Kubuntu 7.10 RC then when i restart Kubuntu login screen is not shown, totally black screen
[00:13] <Greenery> how do i revert this back?
[00:13] <CPrompt^> greetings.  I just put in an ATI Radeon X300SE card.  I ran Envy and it installed the drivers.  However, I can't display at 1280x1024 and my fonts are all screwed up
[00:13] <CPrompt^> anyone have an idea of what I can try?
[00:13] <cash> [02:10] <cash> Im sorry no one news when will uploaded new release ? ))))
[00:13] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: i cant veiw the files in the harddrive
[00:13] <Minataku> CPrompt^: Nice nickname
[00:14] <Minataku> Though there's no C prompt in Linux... though one COULD set up bash to display such
[00:14] <Minataku> lol
[00:14] <genii> !envy
[00:14] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[00:14] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: ok its a windows partition or drive?
[00:14] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: its a harddrive
[00:15] <CPrompt^> Minataku : yeah...long story of the name.  Any ideas?
[00:15] <lee__> well itstarted then it ceased
[00:15] <sub[t]rnl> ok, you'll want to specifiy a mount point in your /etc/fstab
[00:15] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: i have 2 harddrives one for windows and one for linux
[00:15] <Minataku> Yeah, read the !envy thing
[00:15] <lee__> the monet it figured out waht I ws doing it stopped dead
[00:15] <Minataku> You might be screwed
[00:15] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: what is fstab
[00:15] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: man fstab
[00:16] <Minataku> Type it in a terminal, read up
[00:16] <MoNsTeR> !envy
[00:16] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[00:16] <Minataku> The manual pages weren't written for fun, they were written to inform you of various commands and things in the world of Linux
[00:16] <Minataku> There's a wealth of information already on your computer :3
[00:17] <genii> lee__: You copied it to your home directory, and then it ran but then stalled?
[00:18] <lee__> Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install.K15576
[00:18] <dsmith__> gutsy available yet?
[00:18] <lee__> yeah and i know the drivers good too cause the chips locked
[00:18] <Greenery> any idea how to disable restricted driver using recovery?
[00:18] <MoNsTeR> somebody HELP ME!
[00:18] <crimsun> dsmith__: no.
[00:19] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: FAT doesn't support ownership reall, and it just inherits the owner of the user who mounts it in fstab.  I'm trying to help you bub...
[00:19] <sub[t]rnl> you need to set a mount point in your /etc/fstab
[00:19] <Minataku> FAT has fstab options to set who owns it
[00:19] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[00:19] <Minataku> If you'd read man fstab and perhaps man mount, you could see these
[00:20] <Minataku> If you're not going to at least try to do part of this yourself, don't bother asking for help.
[00:20] <Minataku> We're here to assist you, not to do it all for you
[00:21] <Dr_willis> Correct. the Owner/Permissiona of vfat  MUST be set when Mounting.
[00:21] <Dr_willis> There are DOZENS of web sites that explain this.
[00:21] <lee__> hmm i have a verion up grade showing but..
[00:21] <Dr_willis> one would use the   'umask/uid/gid' options normally with vfat
[00:21] <Minataku> Right
[00:21] <Dr_willis> !vfat
[00:22] <dsmith__> its 0919 AM, Thursday Oct 18th, in Australia. I want Gutsy! lol..
[00:22] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[00:22] <lee__> hmm yeah its stalling
[00:22] <Minataku> These will usually be set to 1000 for both uid and gid, since this corresponds to the uid that you are and the gid that is "users"
[00:22] <Minataku> At least that's how I did it
[00:22] <lee__> Detected configuration:Architecture: x86_64 (64-bit)
[00:23] <Minataku> Albiet with uid 752
[00:23] <Minataku> For reasons known only to me
[00:23] <Minataku> lol
[00:23] <lee__> which is a lot further then be for lo
[00:23] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[00:23] <Dr_willis>   mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t vfat -o  umask=0222
[00:23] <Dr_willis> or similer. :)
[00:23] <lee__> X Server: X.Org 7.1 and later releases 64-bit
[00:24] <Minataku> Hm
[00:24] <lee__> Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install.f18898 and it ends there
[00:24] <Minataku> !fstab
[00:24] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[00:24] <Dr_willis> http://electron.mit.edu/~gsteele/linuxfaq/ has a nice little explination of the vfat and its options.
[00:24] <Minataku> Why this bot doesn't tell them about manual pages every time is beyond me
[00:24] <Minataku> !manual
[00:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about manual - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:24] <Minataku> !man
[00:24] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or type man:/ in Konqueror's location bar. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[00:25] <angelus> hi
[00:25] <angelus> hi
[00:25] <angelus> i install the nvidia package
[00:25] <Minataku> Ugh... How dare they suggest using Konq for reading manual pages
[00:25] <Minataku> Though I like the link
[00:25] <Minataku> ^^
[00:25] <Dr_willis> try apt:/
[00:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:25] <angelus> i install the nvidia package and when i try to "modprobe nvidia" it tells me something about "unable to runn install on nvidia module" something like that, any help?
[00:25] <Dr_willis> i wonder if thers a xxx:/ for my err... never mind..
[00:25] <Minataku> !nv
[00:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:26] <angelus> Minataku: dude :p
[00:26] <Minataku> Make sure you didn't miss a step
[00:26] <angelus> Minataku: when i  install kubuntu's packages they don't work
[00:26] <Minataku> Did you follow the instructions?
[00:26] <Minataku> These aren't your normal packages
[00:26] <aguitel> Gutsy is available now in the servers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:26] <aguitel> Gutsy is available now in the servers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:27] <Minataku> There are more complicated things you have to follow for the restricted modules like nvidia
[00:27] <Angelus> Minataku: apt-get install nvidia-glx ? :/
[00:27] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: its a ntfs harddrive
[00:27] <Minataku> >.>
[00:27]  * genii sips a coffee and awaits the first DDOS reports
[00:28] <Dr_willis> well bbl.. time for more honeydo taaks
[00:28] <Dr_willis> tasks.
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> Dr_willis: cyas
[00:28]  * Minataku replaces genii's coffee with... the exact same coffee
[00:28] <Greenery> i need to disable the restricted driver that i've recently insalled to my kubuntu.  What should I do?
[00:28] <Minataku> lol
[00:28] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: You do not have enough permissions to read file:///media/windows
[00:28] <Minataku> Sorry, genii... I'm bored. X3
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: I have plenty o9f permission!
[00:28] <Angelus> Minataku: whats complicated with "apt-get install nvidia-glx" ? :O
[00:28] <Minataku> I dunno, I don't use nvidia or even Kubuntu
[00:29] <Minataku> lol
[00:29] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: teach me to fix it please
[00:29] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: i want to get music from it
[00:29] <Angelus> O_O
[00:29] <ScorpKing> MoNsTeR: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /media/windows
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: We have explained permissions of mounts using the fstab file, Minataku and Dr_Willis have both offered information and relavent links..
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: just read what we have told you my man
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> Greenery- you can boot to a console and change the driver in xorg.conf
[00:29] <Minataku> I use Gentoo, I'm just here to help on platform-unspecific things
[00:29] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: Read. The. Frickin'. Manual.
[00:29] <Greenery> console = recovery?
[00:30] <Minataku> We're NOT going to do things for you.
[00:30] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: i didnt see the links
[00:30] <Minataku> You need an fstab entry to properly mount the drive every time
[00:30] <MoNsTeR> !shutup > Minataku
[00:30] <Angelus> i just moved on from gentoo this week Minataku  :p
[00:30] <Angelus> ll
[00:30] <ScorpKing> lol
[00:30] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: Perhaps instead you should leave, then.
[00:30] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: you read my butt hole
[00:30] <Minataku> Since you clearly only want things done for you and seem to have no willingness to learn anything.
[00:31] <Minataku> And as I've heard from others, you have a history of such.
[00:31] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: yeah i wanna learn thats why i write down every command given to me gosh
[00:31] <Minataku> Being uninformed is one thing. Being a baby is another entirely.
[00:31] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: don't insult Minataku.  I recommend you just keep shut broseph.
[00:32] <MoNsTeR> ScorpKing: thanks man your code worked great
[00:32] <hydrogen> mm
[00:32] <hydrogen> lets play nice
[00:32] <Greenery> so how do i check xorg.conf in console? what part should i change?
[00:33] <MoNsTeR> Minataku and sub[t]rnl, i tried learning from those links ive did everything they said NONE OF THEM WORKED
[00:33] <sub[t]rnl> MoNsTeR: you just said you didn't see the links
[00:33] <ScorpKing> MoNsTeR: that changed all the files in /media/windows so they are owned by you which means you can read and write them.
[00:33] <MoNsTeR> sub[t]rnl: omg ive got links before i needed it again because i just installed kubuntu again
[00:34] <Minataku> !fstab
[00:34] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[00:34] <Minataku> !fat
[00:34] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[00:34] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: i used the second link that didnt work
[00:35] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: im looking at the first one
[00:35] <ScorpKing> MoNsTeR: i also gave you a link that i know is working.
[00:36] <MoNsTeR> ScorpKing: give me it again and ill tell you if it works
[00:36] <ScorpKing> ok
[00:36] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: Sorry to be harsh, BTW, but we're not here to do everything. Learning and understanding is part of using Linux.
[00:37] <ScorpKing> MoNsTeR: http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php
[00:37] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: i come here for a quick answer and i write it down so chill if you dont like me IGNORE ME
[00:37] <lontra> anyone tried the kde 4 beta 3 packages yet?
[00:38] <Minataku> It's not that I don't like you, it's just that there is no quick answer here
[00:38] <Minataku> Or rather, you don't like the quick answer because you have to do work yourself
[00:38] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: yes there is, no i look before i come here if i dont find anything then i come here
[00:38] <Minataku> We've given you very quick answers, but you seem completely averse to reading anything
[00:39] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: thats what the irc channels for i read documentations
[00:39] <Minataku> Have you read the manual page for fstab?
[00:39] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: just dont talk to me
[00:39] <Minataku> Have you read the manual page for mount?
[00:39] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: the "man fstab" command?
[00:39] <Minataku> Yes
[00:39] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: yeah
[00:40] <Minataku> You need to specify in the line in fstab to allow a user to mount the filesystem
[00:41] <Minataku> You also need to set it up so that you own all the files
[00:41] <Minataku> Type "id -a" and give me the first two pieces
[00:41] <ScorpKing> MoNsTeR: look at that link i gave you for all you NTFS needs.
[00:41] <ScorpKing> your*
[00:41] <compilerwriter> Now how will things work for those of us who have been running the release candidate?  Will we just wake up tomorrow and have much less to upgrade?
[00:41] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: uid=1000(jon) gid=1000(jon)
[00:41] <hydrogen>  compilerwriter: yes
[00:41] <Minataku> Okay
[00:42] <Minataku> This drive is at /media/windows, no?
[00:42] <hydrogen> compilerwriter: there probably won't be any updates
[00:42] <Minataku> Er, no, that's the mountpoint you want it at
[00:42] <Minataku> What's the device name of the drive?
[00:42] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: the drive is at /dev/hdc1
[00:42] <Minataku> Okay
[00:43] <Greenery> how do i edit xorg through console?
[00:43] <MoNsTeR> Greenery: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sxorg
[00:43] <MoNsTeR> Greenery: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:43] <Minataku> Your fstab line should be: /dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[00:43] <ScorpKing> Greenery: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf or even better kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:44] <ScorpKing> Greenery: that will open it in a editor so you can edit it.
[00:44] <Minataku> Unmount the device, drop that in, then type "sudo chown jon:jon /media/windows" then "mount /dev/hdc1"
[00:44] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: im noob sorr yi dont understand what that meant
[00:44] <Minataku> Type "sudo umount /dev/hdc1"
[00:44] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: it wont let me unmount it
[00:45] <Minataku> Do it with sudo. If it still fails, make sure nothing is accessing the drive
[00:45] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: it unmounted
[00:45] <Minataku> Okay
[00:45] <Minataku> Now type "sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.old"
[00:45] <compilerwriter> I ended up doing a fresh install.  I have backed up my kmail directory.  Should I just overwrite the current one with it, or is there a procedure to import mail settings?
[00:45] <Minataku> Just as a precaution and to keep the original one around
[00:46] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: done
[00:46] <Minataku> After that, type "sudo echo "/dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" >> /etc/fstab" ( NOTE: Leave off the "s on the outside, but KEEP THE ONES INSIDE )
[00:47] <Minataku> Show me
[00:47] <Minataku> Show me what you'll type
[00:47] <hydrogen> Minataku: ahh
[00:47] <Minataku> I want to verify it
[00:47] <hydrogen> that won't work
[00:47] <ScorpKing> compilerwriter: if you ovewrite it all your old mail will be there. i think you'll have to set the accounts again and i don't know of any backup/restore program for that. i think there is one in gusty, not sure tho.
[00:47] <hydrogen> you need to use tee
[00:47] <Minataku> It will work
[00:47] <Minataku> That's what the >> is for
[00:47] <hydrogen> no
[00:47] <hydrogen> no.
[00:47] <Minataku> It appends instead of overwriting
[00:47] <hydrogen> You are echoing the command as root, and trying to append it as the user
[00:47] <ScorpKing> true
[00:47] <Minataku> I do it all the time, I set up my NetBSD systems that way
[00:47] <hydrogen> no. Look at the command sequence
[00:48] <hydrogen> you need to do something like:
[00:48] <compilerwriter> ScorpKing But I can safely overwrite it without causing version issues.
[00:48] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: sudo echo /dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" >> /etc/fstab is this the command?
[00:48] <Greenery> how do i reboot from console? the command
[00:48] <Minataku> You need a " before /dev/hdc1
[00:48] <hydrogen> echo "/dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user, uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[00:48] <hydrogen> or you will get permission denied
[00:48] <Minataku> Type hydrogen's command
[00:48] <Minataku> Just to be sure
[00:49] <Minataku> Exactly as he put it
[00:49] <MoNsTeR> ok
[00:49] <ScorpKing> compilerwriter: i think so. if it doesn't work remove the kmail dir and start kmail again. you'll have to import the messages then.
[00:49] <Minataku> After that, type "mount /dev/hdc1"
[00:49] <Minataku> No sudo
[00:49] <Minataku> WAIT
[00:49] <hydrogen> you could also pass the users command instead of user
[00:49] <hydrogen> also.. I put a space in there
[00:49] <Minataku> hydrogen you messed it up
[00:49] <hydrogen> and I shouldn't have
[00:49] <hydrogen> yes
[00:49] <hydrogen> I noticed
[00:50] <Minataku> This is why we backed it up
[00:50] <ScorpKing> there is 'user' in there, no need for sudo
[00:50] <MoNsTeR> so what do i do?
[00:50] <Minataku> MoNsTeR, if you've already typed that command in, type "sudo cp /etc/fstab.old /etc/fstab"
[00:50] <Minataku> Then: echo "/dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[00:50] <Minataku> Exactly as it's typed THAT time
[00:50] <Minataku> lol
[00:51] <Minataku> I knew I had you back it up for a reason
[00:51] <Minataku> XD
[00:51] <MoNsTeR> jon@MoNsTeR-box:~$ cp /etc/fstab.old /etc/fstab
[00:51] <MoNsTeR> cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/fstab': Permission denied
[00:51] <ScorpKing> lol
[00:51] <hydrogen> yea.. because using kate is so hard
[00:51] <hydrogen> @@
[00:51] <Minataku> You have to use sudo there
[00:51] <Minataku> To copy the backup back to the original
[00:51] <MoNsTeR> jon@MoNsTeR-box:~$ sudo /etc/fstab.old /etc/fstab
[00:51] <MoNsTeR> sudo: /etc/fstab.old: command not found
[00:51] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[00:52] <ScorpKing> heh
[00:52] <hydrogen> ...
[00:52] <Minataku> sudo cp /etc/fstab.old /etc/fstab
[00:52] <hydrogen> you may want to sudo apt-get install brain at some point as well
[00:52] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: done
[00:52] <Minataku> echo "/dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user, uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[00:52] <Minataku> WAIT
[00:52] <Minataku> FUCK
[00:52] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: shut up
[00:52] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[00:52] <Minataku> Don't type that one
[00:52] <ScorpKing> !ohmy | Minataku
[00:52] <ubotu> Minataku: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:52] <Minataku> echo "/dev/hdc1 /media/windows vfat user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[00:52] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: i didnt
[00:52] <Minataku> That one
[00:52] <ScorpKing> :D :P
[00:52] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: think about whats happening, you should learn from this.
[00:52] <Minataku> Type THAT one
[00:52] <Minataku> lol
[00:53] <LjL> !language
[00:53] <LjL> !enter
[00:53] <LjL> !attitude
[00:53] <ScorpKing> lol
[00:53] <hydrogen> did you really need op priveledges for that? :)
[00:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:53] <Minataku> Oh, stuff it, LjL, it was a slip, and I was swearing at myself
[00:53] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[00:53] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[00:53] <ScorpKing> lmao :P
[00:53] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: ok i typed that now what
[00:53] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: Now:
[00:54] <LjL> hydrogen: no, i needed op privileges because i thought i was going to kick someone.
[00:54]  * ScorpKing pass Minataku a beer...
[00:54] <Minataku> mount /dev/hdc1
[00:54] <hydrogen> no
[00:54] <hydrogen> mount /media/windows
[00:54] <hydrogen> I don't think passing the device will work
[00:54] <Minataku> Either works
[00:54] <hydrogen> with 'user'
[00:54] <Minataku> It will
[00:54] <Minataku> I do it all the time
[00:54] <ScorpKing> it does work
[00:54] <compilerwriter> I had my left mouse button set up to give me a kmenu when I hit the left mouse button on the desk top and I can't remember how I set that up.
[00:54] <ScorpKing> as long as it's in fstab
[00:54] <Minataku> My externals are set up like that, and I pass the device
[00:54]  * Minataku nods
[00:54] <hydrogen> ah, yea
[00:54] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: done
[00:54] <hydrogen> I thought I remembered it not working
[00:55] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: now what?
[00:55] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: Now, try to access the files there.
[00:55] <Minataku> If all went according to plan, you can.
[00:55] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: where in media?
[00:55] <Minataku> You can also create and delete and whatever files there
[00:55] <Minataku> Just open something
[00:55] <Minataku> From your Windows drive
[00:55] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: i cant :[
[00:56] <Minataku> Then I give up
[00:56] <Minataku> :P
[00:56] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: did you try?
[00:56] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: alt-f2: /media/windows
[00:56] <ScorpKing> sometimes when mounting a NTFS or FAT drive the ownership gets a bit confused. running chmod usually works. :P
[00:57] <Minataku> Yeah, you may have to "sudo chown jon:jon /media/windows"
[00:57] <ScorpKing> chown*
[00:57] <ScorpKing> heh
[00:57] <Minataku> Though it shouldn't be necessary (I've done it on my system, however)
[00:57] <ScorpKing> -R in there
[00:57] <Minataku> Well, ed:users instead of jon:jon
[00:57] <Minataku> But you get the point
[00:57] <Minataku> lol
[00:57] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: i cant get into media folder
[00:57] <ScorpKing> i do yes, but....
[00:58] <Angelus> my adept crash, wahts the command to fix it
[00:58] <moony> need support for the k-menu... little question ;)
[00:58] <Minataku> Go into /media/windows instead
[00:58] <hydrogen> !fixadept
[00:58] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:58] <hydrogen> you may need rx priviledges for /media
[00:58] <Minataku> Probably
[00:58] <ScorpKing> no
[00:58] <hydrogen> to access subdirectories
[00:58] <ScorpKing> just +r
[00:58] <Minataku> Which you can do with a simple "chown ugo+rx /media"
[00:59] <Minataku> You need +x to cd into directories
[00:59] <Minataku> Er
[00:59] <Minataku> chmod ugo+rx /media
[00:59] <ScorpKing> Minataku: chown blabla -R for subdirs
[00:59] <Minataku> Which, granted, it already should be
[00:59] <Minataku> sc0tt___: Not here
[00:59] <hydrogen> shouldn't be -R though
[00:59] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: /media is locked and /media/windows is locked
[00:59] <Minataku> Er
[00:59] <Minataku> Scorp
[00:59] <hydrogen> as you don't want to change everything
[00:59] <Minataku> Right
[00:59] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: what do you mean by locked?
[00:59] <ScorpKing> lol
[00:59] <Minataku> MoNsTeR: Try "sudo chown jon:jon /media/windows"
[00:59] <ScorpKing> owned by root :P
[01:00] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: i cant get in it no permissions
[01:00] <Minataku> Then "sudo chmod ugo+rx /media"
[01:00] <Minataku> Then "sudo chmod ugo+rx /media/windows"
[01:00] <MoNsTeR> ScorpKing: yeah owned by root
[01:00] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: give more info.
[01:00] <Minataku> Or just type what I just told you to instead
[01:00] <Minataku> :P
[01:00] <ScorpKing> what if /media/windows/dir is owned by root? woun't -R help then? :P
[01:00] <ScorpKing> won't*
[01:00] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: after doing the command i still get this Unable to enter file:///media.  :P i went 6 months thinking i had 1GB in a computer with only 512MB
[01:11] <hydrogen> and its not a HIGHMEM thing
[01:11] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: i only see one line for hdc1
[01:11] <hydrogen> because you see 3.2
[01:11] <meeper> kilrae: yes, it's there, I see it in the bios
[01:11] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: pastebin /etc/fstab
[01:11] <meeper> hydrogen: x86 should see all 4gb?
[01:11] <hydrogen> yes
[01:12] <Minataku> I doubt that
[01:12] <Minataku> I'm honestly surprised x86 still works
[01:12] <Minataku> :P
[01:12] <hydrogen> well
[01:12] <hydrogen> considdering x86_64 (the apparent successor) is still x86 at its heart.. it will still be around for a long time
[01:12] <meeper> hydrogen: any ideas at all?
[01:12] <hydrogen> meeper: no :/
[01:13] <MoNsTeR> http://pastebin.com/m1b56d524
[01:13] <sub[t]rnl> you sure its not a highmem deal with the kernel?
[01:13]  * sub[t]rnl sucks on his teeth
[01:14] <kilrae> my teeth hurt
[01:14] <kilrae> darn dentist
[01:14] <Minataku> hydrogen: Can you please take MoNsTeR's issue? I'm completely out of steam here
[01:14] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[01:14] <MoNsTeR> Minataku: wow
[01:14] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: line 12 needs to be deleted
[01:14] <MoNsTeR> ok
[01:14] <hydrogen>  /dev/hdc1 /media auto users,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[01:15] <hydrogen> that one
[01:15] <Minataku> Sorry, but I am human, after all
[01:15] <hydrogen> and then in the last line
[01:15] <hydrogen> change vfat to auto
[01:16] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: i deleted line 12
[01:17] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: i still can't access media
[01:17] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: sudo umount /media
[01:18] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: then sudo mount /media/windows
[01:18] <hydrogen> err
[01:18] <hydrogen> no
[01:18] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: done
[01:18] <hydrogen> then mount /media/windows
[01:18] <hydrogen> not sudo
[01:18] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen:  it worked :]
[01:18] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: yay :)
[01:19] <ubuntu> what is kubuntu es
[01:19] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: how do i make it mount automatically so i dont have to do this everytime :]
[01:19] <Minataku> It should already do it
[01:19] <Minataku> That's why I never put "noauto" in there
[01:19]  * hydrogen isn't sure how well that works with user though
[01:19] <Minataku> Oh, yeah
[01:19]  * sub[t]rnl gets out a gold star of persistence
[01:20] <Minataku> Oops
[01:20] <Minataku> lol
[01:20] <sub[t]rnl> cmere hydrogen
[01:20] <Minataku> You MAY have to put noauto in there and manually mount it
[01:20] <Minataku> That's how I do it, actually
[01:20] <ubuntu> who is address kubuntu in spanish
[01:20] <sub[t]rnl> its better to mount windows drives manually imo
[01:20] <Minataku> I hardly ever shut my machine down or reboot it, so it's never been a hassle
[01:21] <hydrogen> !es | ubuntu
[01:21] <ubotu> ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[01:23] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: so i cant have it mounted everytime i start up
[01:23] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: so im going to have to do this every time!!
[01:23] <SteamMachine> hi all
[01:23] <SteamMachine>  I found a way (using digikam) to retrieve my photos.
[01:23] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: no
[01:23] <SteamMachine> Unfortunately, as a side effect - whenever I open my home directory (with konq) digikam starts loading, then the loading icon in the bar disappears, and konq does not open the whichever folder was clicked.
[01:23] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: every time you will just need to mount /media/windows
[01:23] <MoNsTeR> ok
[01:23] <hydrogen> MoNsTeR: perhaps.. it may work fine automatically
[01:25] <kenny> ljl: well I am sorry about that :)
[01:32] <SteamMachine> hm
[01:32] <SteamMachine> So, whatever folder I select, digikam starts to open - though it never quite makes it.
[01:34] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, don't open with digicam...use storage media and open the camera-data folder there
[01:36] <SteamMachine> BluesKaj: digikam is the only way I have found that will work.
[01:37] <basicjay> humble hello
[01:37] <SteamMachine> BluesKaj: ?
[01:37] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, isn't the memcard or USB device regognized in storage media?
[01:38] <dga> is it worth the jump to 64-bit linux yet?
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> dga: Gutsy is pretty nice with 64 bit
[01:38] <basicjay> no, just basic...
[01:39] <SteamMachine> The USB device is recognized, but it seems konq isn't able to get past "13%" (in the loading progress bar)
[01:39] <SteamMachine> I tried removing digikam and this message came up when I was using konqueror:
[01:39] <SteamMachine> KDEInit could not launch 'digikam'.:
[01:39] <SteamMachine> Could not find 'digikam' executable.
[01:40] <dga> nosrednaekim: would my ATI driver still work?
[01:40] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, the files on the media card or usb device should be in a folder in : system menu/storage media
[01:40] <SteamMachine> Which is located where?
[01:41] <MoNsTeR> how do i install limewire
[01:41] <SteamMachine> MoNsTeR: you don't.
[01:41] <MoNsTeR> i downlaoded the deb file
[01:41] <SteamMachine> Frostwire. But still, yucl.
[01:41] <MoNsTeR> but it doesnt install
[01:41] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, system menu/storage media
[01:41] <SteamMachine> *yuck
[01:42] <MoNsTeR> do you know how to install it?
[01:42] <SteamMachine> dpkg -i limewireislame.deb
[01:42] <Greenery> lol
[01:42] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: thanks
[01:43] <SteamMachine> no problem
[01:43] <SteamMachine> BluesKaj: I can't actually see it in my menu (I'm running a kinda... Ubuntu with KDE hybrid)
[01:43] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, don't judge other ppl's preferences , just answer their questions if you can
[01:43] <SteamMachine> Okay. Sorry. : (
[01:44] <SteamMachine> Is it okay to make suggestions? Such as "use bittorrent"?
[01:44] <BluesKaj> what desktop are you on SteamMachine ?
[01:44] <SteamMachine> KDE.
[01:45] <MoNsTeR> can somebody help me install limewir3e
[01:46] <MoNsTeR> or frostwire
[01:46] <BluesKaj> home folder and remote places are there as well, SteamMachine
[01:46] <SteamMachine> MoNsTeR: what did it say?
[01:46] <SteamMachine> Did you use sudo?
[01:47] <tony_> Can anyone help with Dolphin? Every time I access my slave drive it crashes.  I can't go near konq without it complaining about not knowing where digikam is.
[01:47] <SteamMachine> It's trying to use digikam to open folders. I have no idea how on earth that would ever work.
[01:48] <SteamMachine> Oh wait, you didn't actually type limewireislame.deb did you?
[01:48] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: it opens with archive manager
[01:49] <hexstar> hello
[01:50] <hexstar> why am I in the bantracker: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:ZMHHLlLFtfoJ:https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi%3Fpage%3D7+hexstar+banned&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=41&gl=us when I obviously am not banned in this channel?
[01:51] <Svenstaro> just refresh your ip
[01:51] <tony_> Can anyone help with Dolphin? Every time I access my slave drive it crashes. My slave drive is FAT 32.
[01:52] <MoNsTeR> no SteamMachine
[01:53] <hexstar> So can anyone answer?
[01:53] <hexstar> where are the ops?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> tony_: what error?
[01:54] <hexstar> there don't appear to be any ops in here....
[01:54] <hexstar> -_-
[01:54] <LjL> hexstar, that's a *cached copy* of the bantracker as far as i can see.
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> We don't have ops here, so you can do whatever you want
[01:55] <hexstar> LjL: yes it is because they've taken down public access to the tracker since that cache was made so it's hard to know if I'm still included or not...
[01:55] <hexstar> I'm not even sure why I'm in there
[01:55]  * moony says hello
[01:55] <hexstar> I guess this question is better suited for #ubuntu where there are actually ops....
[01:55] <atlfalcons866> will i have to upgrade to gusty tomorrow if i am using rc1
[01:56] <Jucato> (there are actually ops in here)
[01:56] <tony_> nosrednaekim: Of course now it wont do it
[01:56] <LjL> but hexstar, yes, your ban is still set, and i believe you have been banned enough times for it to stay set.
[01:56] <LjL> thank you for warning about that.
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> heh
[01:58] <tony_> nosrednaekim: Dolphin has crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[01:59] <sboyer> sorry for the noob question.  can some tell me how to change directorys in konsole? I'm trying to instll a bin file
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> sboyer- cd
[02:01] <LordBacon> can I install kubuntu on a windows system (I have plenty of unallocated space) without burning the DVD?
[02:01] <sboyer> lol...little simpler then I thought...thanks
[02:02] <SteamMachine> MoNsTeR: still here
[02:02] <SteamMachine> ?
[02:03] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: yeah
[02:03] <SteamMachine> Okay, how long have you been using Linux? (in any form)
[02:04] <LordBacon> 12 years!
[02:04] <SteamMachine> LordBacon: I was asking MoNsTeR
[02:04] <tony_> nosrednaekim: Dolphin has crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[02:04] <LordBacon> yeah, well, I'm bored :)
[02:04] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: 6 or 7 weeks only cause my ati card never worked or i was to stupid to get it to work
[02:04] <SteamMachine> Ahh!
[02:05] <SteamMachine> So I assume you've not used the terminal much?
[02:05] <MoNsTeR> i have
[02:05] <SteamMachine> Um.
[02:05] <SteamMachine> so you realise the dpkg -i etc.deb was supposed to be written in Konsole then?
[02:05] <MoNsTeR> yeah
[02:06] <SteamMachine> And then what happened?
[02:06] <MoNsTeR> ididnt use limewireislame.deb ok
[02:06] <MoNsTeR> it gave me a error
[02:06] <Chipper> Hey, my adept manager keeps complaining about another processes using the database, even after restarting, can i see whats using it somehow?
[02:06] <SteamMachine> Which is what?
[02:06] <SteamMachine> The error, what did it say?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> tony_: run it from a terminal and see what error messages are left there
[02:07] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: ok ill get it for you
[02:07] <SteamMachine> thanks
[02:07] <sboyer> ok...sorry more noob questions.  Whats the konsole command to install a bin file please?
[02:07] <sboyer> sudo apt-get install filename?
[02:08] <tony_> nosrednaekim: I'm sorry. I'm brand new. I know what terminal is but thats about it.
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> tony_: is this gutsy?
[02:08] <SteamMachine> sboyer: you mean a deb?
[02:09] <tony_> nosrednaekim: Yes
[02:09] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: i know the problem :[
[02:09] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: i dont have java  :[
[02:09] <SteamMachine> sboyer: sudo apt-get install is used to install thinks from the repos
[02:09] <sboyer> steam I'm not sure....trying to install updated firefox
[02:09] <SteamMachine> oh, that's pretty easy to fix.
[02:09] <SteamMachine> sboyer: why on earth are you doing it manually?
[02:09] <SteamMachine> It will update when it's ready to.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> tony_: open a konsole and type in "d3lphin" and hit enter, do not close the terminal, even when it crashes
[02:09] <sboyer> i installed through adept, but it isnt current firefox version
[02:10] <sboyer> how can I get adept to get the current version of firefox then?
[02:10] <MoNsTeR> !java
[02:10] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:10] <SteamMachine> Most likely not, often ubuntu will have a version slightly behind the current.
[02:11] <sboyer> ok...so can you walk me through the manual install?  I installed a bin file once before but I dont remember the command
[02:11] <SteamMachine> dpkg?
[02:11] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: im installing java :[[[[[
[02:11] <MoNsTeR> :]]]]]]]]
[02:11] <SteamMachine> cool, good luck. : ]
[02:11] <tony_> nosrednaekim: It opened and didnt crash.
[02:11] <SteamMachine> sboyer: do you have the file you wish to install?
[02:11] <MoNsTeR> the last time i installed java it didnt work but this time its working
[02:12] <SteamMachine> ah
[02:12] <sboyer> yes  I have it
[02:12] <tony_> nosrednaekim: I did it a few times just to be sure.
[02:12] <SteamMachine> what is it called?
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> tony_: does it always crash on startup?
[02:12] <sboyer> steam: firefox-bin
[02:12] <tony_> nosrednaekim: It happens when I access the slave drive 90% of the time
[02:12] <tony_> nosrednaekim: No
[02:13] <MoNsTeR> sboyer: you dont have to type everybodies name
[02:13] <SteamMachine> That's it?
[02:13] <MoNsTeR> type there name half way then hit tab
[02:13] <atlfalcons866> does ubuntu get more attention then kubuntu
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> tony_: well then, access the slave drive 10 times using that method and it should crash once ;)
[02:13] <SteamMachine> sboyer: just so you know, compiling and installing, rather than using debs is really messy.
[02:13] <SteamMachine> hard to remove, sometimes causes compatibility issues.
[02:13] <sboyer> by deb, you mean packages through adept?
[02:14] <SteamMachine> uh... yeah.
[02:14] <SteamMachine> well.
[02:14] <sboyer> o fair enough...not for beginners then
[02:14] <sboyer> I'll leave it be
[02:14] <SteamMachine> actually from the repos. but that's what adept is.
[02:14] <SteamMachine> Good idea. : )
[02:14] <sboyer> k thanks
[02:14] <tony_> nosrednaekim: Thats the mainDolphin screen that comes up with that command. When I select "Storage Media" and my slave is where it will crash
[02:15] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: i install java and it still didnt work
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> tony_: well, navigate there, the error should still be printed
[02:16] <sboyer> is there a way to find programs that arent in the repositories?  are there additional repositories available?
[02:16] <hydrogen> sboyer: most packages are in the universe repository.. if they are not there then check upstream to see if they provide a .deb for ubuntu
[02:17] <Jucato> by upstream he means the original authors/source of the program
[02:17] <sboyer> ok, what is "check upstream"?
[02:17] <sboyer> ahh
[02:17] <sboyer> ok thanks, that is generally listed on the website of the program then?
[02:17] <hydrogen> sometimes
[02:17] <hydrogen> in the download section
[02:17] <sboyer> ok gotcha.  great thanks a ton
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> ussually a google of "packagename .deb" turns up useful stuff
[02:18] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: i got a deb for frostwire
[02:18] <Jucato> or "program name .deb"
[02:18] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: but it opens in ark manager
[02:19] <aheiuhaiuheiuhef> aheiuhiuaheiuhfaiuehfiu
[02:19] <Jucato> MoNsTeR: right-click -> Kubuntu Package Manger -> INstall package
[02:19] <tony_> nosrednaekim: I'm lost. I dont know how to navigate to it in terminal.
[02:19] <hydrogen> aheiuhaiuheiuhef: I don't think thats english
[02:19] <hydrogen> (/me praises tab-completion)
[02:19] <Jucato> I don't even think that's human! :)
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> tony_: say what? I thought you navigated to storage media from within dolphin.
[02:20]  * MoNsTeR loves hydrogen
[02:20] <hydrogen> you wouldn't be alive without it!
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | hydrogen
[02:20] <ubotu> hydrogen: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[02:20]  * hydrogen goes off for a while
[02:20] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: hold on
[02:20] <hydrogen> ubotu: but uhh.. I don't like chocolate chip.. could I have an oreo?
[02:20] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: it still isnt going
[02:21] <MoNsTeR> hydrogen: nvm its installed i love you man
[02:21] <hydrogen> sure!
[02:21]  * MoNsTeR gives hydrogen a oreo :]
[02:21] <tony_> nosrednaekim: Yes in Dolphin but not in terminal.
[02:21] <SteamMachine> :O
[02:21]  * hydrogen doesn't mention that it was Jucato that gave the answer
[02:21] <hydrogen> my oreo!
[02:21] <hydrogen> okay
[02:22] <SteamMachine> If I weren't reulsed by the idea of a dairy based snack, I'd be demanding an oreo.
[02:22] <hydrogen> now I'm gone
[02:22] <Jucato> :)
[02:22] <SteamMachine> Seriously, can anyone help me fix Konqueror? I can't even open any folders! *waaaaah*
[02:22] <atlfalcons866> why does ubuntu have more features than kubuntu
[02:22] <SteamMachine> o_O
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> tony_: right.... run dolphin from the terminal, but don;t close the terminal. then use dolphin like you normall would. when dolphin crashes, and error message should be printed in the konsole
[02:22] <SteamMachine> How do you figure that?
[02:23] <LordBacon> I bet someone said it in a blog, so it MUST be TRUE!
[02:23]  * MoNsTeR gives SteamMachine whatever delicious treat he wants :]
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> atlfalcons866: kubuntu has a killer feature... its called KDE
[02:25] <atlfalcons866> i know but it doesent have stuff like automatic printer setup
[02:25] <SteamMachine> Howzabout... muesliii!
[02:25] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: whats that
[02:25] <tony_> nosrednaekim: I have it but it wont let me paste it in here.
[02:26] <SteamMachine> What's Muesli?
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> !paste | tony_
[02:26] <ubotu> tony_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:26] <atlfalcons866> will kubuntu run on a 433Mhz celeron
[02:26] <MoNsTeR> atlfalcons866: duh
[02:26] <SteamMachine> How on earth... wh... I don't understand how you can not know what muesli is.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> atlfalcons866: not very well
[02:26] <atlfalcons866> would it run good on xubuntu
[02:26] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: im not at wherever you live
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> SteamMachine: has raisins in it correct?
[02:26] <SteamMachine> Yeah.
[02:27] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: oh that sounds good!
[02:27] <SteamMachine> Raisins, bran, dried fruit, etc,
[02:27] <LordBacon> we call that trail mix
[02:27] <SteamMachine> I'd eat some now, but I'm outta soy milk. *RAAAAGE*
[02:27] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: ok
[02:27] <MoNsTeR> SteamMachine: soy milk EWEWEWE
[02:27] <tony_> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41012/
[02:28] <LordBacon> can I install kubuntu on a windows system (I have plenty of unallocated space) without burning the DVD?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> !wubi | LordBacon
[02:28] <ubotu> LordBacon: wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[02:29] <LordBacon> nosrednaekim: will that let me do a proper install with dualboot?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: of sorts yes... it uses the MS bootloader though.
[02:30] <SteamMachine> I don't know what else to try. I simply can't use konq now.
[02:31] <LordBacon> nosrednaekim: well, I already have the space allocated to suse 10.3, I'd rather just kill it and try kubuntu gutsy
[02:31]  * LordBacon wonders if the laptop boots off USB Key
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> LordBacon: it should :)
[02:32] <LordBacon> IBM T60p
[02:32] <soulwarp> i'm trying to get a script made with synaptic that can let me download a list of packages on this computer with another computer with the same kubuntu system
[02:32] <soulwarp> anyone have any ideas?
[02:32] <SteamMachine> It's almost as if it thinks it should be using digikam to open directories.
[02:32] <SteamMachine> Is there a way to restore defaults?
[02:32] <MoNsTeR> does anybody have the tut for making kde look like mac osx
[02:33] <atlfalcons866> why would you want kde to look like mac os
[02:33] <soulwarp> :P
[02:33] <atlfalcons866> mac os has the looks of gnome
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> tony_: huh...  Can I just upgrade from the pre-release I'm on now?
[02:35] <jdong> LordBacon: dragoons are more versatile, particularly when massed.
[02:36] <NickPresta> MoNsTeR, what does "better looking" mean? My opinion of a better looking desktop is different than yours. Do you want more flash, more shine, more transparency?   You were a big help and I learned something new from you. Have a good night!
[02:39] <atlfalcons866> he uses xubuntu
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> tony_: No problem.
[02:39] <MoNsTeR> NickPresta: its hard to install compiz with my gaphics card i need a little help if im gonig to do that
[02:40] <MoNsTeR> ive install beryl on gnome before
[02:40] <MoNsTeR> installed*
[02:40] <LordBacon> compiz is under gnome
[02:40] <ardchoille> My friends give me computers that no longer run Windows. I install Linux on it and when they see me watching a DVD movie, they want it back.
[02:40] <NickPresta> MoNsTeR, we're here to help. You start and we're here to get you out of any trouble. The documentation is a good place to start
[02:40] <LordBacon> it's a layer between the Xserver and Xclients (but an xclient at the same time)
[02:40] <atlfalcons866> what gives KDE desktop effects
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> atlfalcons866: Xrender
[02:41] <soulwarp> ardchoille i know some friends like that too
[02:41] <ardchoille> MoNsTeR: If you just want transparency, shadows and some effects, kde can do that on its own.. no need for beryl/compiz.
[02:41] <MoNsTeR> NickPresta:  only one thing before i start do i need xgl cfause i needed it for beryl
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> MoNsTeR: do you have an ATI graphics card?
[02:42] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: i was talking to you yesterday my name was jon__
[02:42] <MoNsTeR> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:42] <ardchoille> MoNsTeR: Ah, yeah
[02:42] <atlfalcons866> will i have to upgrade tomorrow when gutsys released if i am using gutsy rc1
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> MoNsTeR: yup XGL for you... but its a whole lot easier in gutsy...
[02:42] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: can you help me again like make a channel like you did yesterday so we i dont have to fuss
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> atlfalcons866: no... just normal updates
[02:43] <ardchoille> MoNsTeR: You can join #ardchoille, that's my channel.
[02:43] <atlfalcons866> i have one update i cant remove
[02:43] <atlfalcons866> or update
[02:45] <soulwarp> anyone know how to get a list of programs i have installed so i can have the package manager on my other computer to download them?
[02:45] <soulwarp> i would like the same packages on both
[02:45] <soulwarp> (i mean hard drives)
[02:46] <soulwarp> synaptic has an option to make a download script but i click it and save my file and it generates a bogus file
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> soulwarp: humm, there is a command for it
[02:47] <MoNsTeR> soulwarp: ill look for you on google
[02:47] <soulwarp> nosrednaekim i'll try the forums
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> soulwarp: nah... jst  sec
[02:47] <soulwarp> k
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> "dpkg -l"
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> might want to pipe it to a file since it went past my scrollback
[02:49] <soulwarp> that does show the packages i installed
[02:49] <soulwarp> hm
[02:50] <soulwarp> i figured there was some sort of backup method
[02:51] <lee986321> hey ya guys,  I need that comand for running that linu restricted module thingy
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: the restricted manager?
[02:51] <lee986321> yeah
[02:51] <lee986321> pleases and if genni is still here Iappologise for loggin
[02:52] <MoNsTeR> soulwarp: i couldnt find anythign
[02:52] <lee986321> yeah apparently niether the 64 bit nor the 32 feisty came with it it
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: you mean to get it or run it?
[02:53] <soulwarp> MoNsTeR ty
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> MoNsTeR: "dpkg -l"
[02:54] <lee986321> eh yeah if its there if not I need the actual program
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: "kdesu restricted-manager"
[02:56] <lee986321> hmm it spulling up coman not found
[02:57] <jackrazz_> hey everyone, I want to install KDE 4 on a ubuntu install.
[02:57] <jackrazz_> do I need to install kubuntu-desktop first?
[02:58] <jackrazz_> or can I just install kdebase-workspace only and that will do it?
[03:00] <lee986321> !restriicted modules
[03:00] <jackrazz_> anyone here install kde 4.0 on their kubuntu desktop?
[03:00] <lee986321> erg
[03:00] <Jucato> !restricted | lee986321
[03:00] <ubotu> lee986321: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> jackrazz_: I did... buts its not really working
[03:01] <Jucato> er what was the question?
[03:01] <lee986321> eh ok
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager"
[03:01] <Jucato> !info restricted-manager-kde gutsy
[03:01] <ubotu> restricted-manager-kde: manage non-free hardware drivers - KDE frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 64 kB, installed size 288 kB
[03:01] <Jucato> nosrednaekim, lee986321 ^^
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> is lee986321on gutsy?
[03:02] <jackrazz_> hey nosrednaekim,.. so it needs another month or so before its useable?
[03:02]  * Jucato headdesks...
[03:02] <Jucato> just because today's the release doesnt mean everyone's on it :(
[03:02]  * Jucato headdesks... again...
[03:02] <lee986321> oh I havnt seen that kind of a thingy since I played FFXI online...hmm Istill have an account lol erg I need log on to it soem time and forward all theeses comance to the ps2
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> jackrazz_: beta 3 will probably be nice... but it didn't work for me.. your milage will vary.. beta2 worked for me
[03:03] <Jucato> jackrazz_: I'd recommend waiting for the next beta or even RC, which would be in a month or so
[03:03] <jackrazz_> ok, thanks so its a hit and miss kinda thing
[03:03] <Jucato> at this point, sort of
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> jackrazz_: yeah
[03:03] <jackrazz_> should I install kubuntu-desktop first or can I just install kde 4.0 on a ubuntu pc?
[03:03] <Jucato> although I've had less problems with compiling from source than using the kubuntu packages for KDE 4 beta
[03:04] <lee986321> Ijust want them to support our ati dirers in 64 bit ...or have a repositry for them that work
[03:04] <dga> when i run compiz --replace, my desktop stays the same but the tops of all of my windows are gone. anyone know what the problem is?
[03:04] <jackrazz_> thanks jucato..I looking to switching from gnome to kde finally after 2 years
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> jackrazz_: KDE4 is not ready for that ;)
[03:04] <mike-kubunt1> hey, is there a package for the new ati radeon 8.40.4 driers?
[03:05] <Jucato> *definitely* not ready for that yet
[03:05] <jackrazz_> It's little things like better apps, equalizer, and so on.
[03:05] <mike-kubunt1> they just added mobile 200 express support
[03:05] <jackrazz_> ok I'll just start with kubuntu and wait.
[03:05] <jackrazz_> thanks guys
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubunt1: Xpress200?thats been around forever
[03:05] <mike-kubunt1> but they've never had 3d acceleration support for it
[03:05] <mike-kubunt1> just 2d
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> they finally got around to it (beacause ati bought them)
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubunt1: in the fglrx driver they did
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> nope
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> well, if they did its shitty
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubunt1: I have one...
[03:06] <lee986321> u oh
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> then you don't have the same as mine
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> its big news
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> its linked from teh compiz site
[03:06] <mike-kubunt1> they just did it
[03:06] <Murchadh> Hi all. Anyone heard anything like this? Get to kdm login screen but it won't recognise m,s,b, and a couple of other letters. Click on console login and I can login from there and startx. Strange behaviour, no? Any ideas.
[03:06] <lee986321> this aint good that thing just crashed
[03:07] <lee986321> ok how do I get to the restircted driver to enabel it?
[03:07] <mike-kubunt1> pcie mobile 200 express hasn't had support in a while, check out thier site
[03:07] <lee986321> if it won't run
[03:07] <mike-kubunt1> from either driver
[03:07] <mike-kubunt1> it has some, but very basic
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubunt1: oh wait.... they just released their 8.42 driver?
[03:07] <mike-kubunt1> the oe i'm looking at is 8.40.4
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: enable what?
[03:08] <mike-kubunt1> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubunt1: oh... well,you can manually install it
[03:08] <lee986321> the restricted driver ..kedsu prprogram crahsed
[03:08] <mike-kubunt1> do i need to do anything special for that?
[03:08] <mike-kubunt1> or do i just use thier script and it will autoload
[03:09] <shiwa> hi, anyone arround willing to help me out
[03:09] <lee986321> never min I got it hehee
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubunt1: I reccomend you build debs out of it. its rather easy,
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> !ati
[03:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <shiwa> hello
[03:09] <shiwa> how are u doing? im happy to know there is kubuntu chat for helping
[03:10] <shiwa> would anyone help me out with a little problem
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> shiwa: what is the problem?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> I have to go... but others might be able to help
[03:10] <shiwa> the problem is that i cannot access internet when i "sudo apt-get"
[03:10] <shiwa> nor with synaptic o anyother programs that runs as root
[03:11] <shiwa> im a windows network administrator willing to run into linux but know little about it, (just so u know my tecnic level)
[03:11] <lee986321> is the upgrade out already?
[03:12] <lee986321> I just used the comand update mangaer and 7.10 popped up
[03:13] <shiwa> yes, the problem came suddently, i was installing many stuff and shuddently the internet connection stoped working in any package updater program or with "sudo apt-get"
[03:13] <lee986321> there is a total of 877 packages
[03:13] <mike-kubunt1> cool, thanks for the help
[03:14] <shiwa> somebody reading me?
[03:14] <lee986321> iam in the pacific NW 19:13 daylight time
[03:14] <shiwa> would somebody help me please?
[03:14] <NickPresta> shiwa, does this happen consistently or only while you're upgrading to Gutsy?
[03:15] <shiwa> NickPresta, yes it is consistently, i dont have internet access on my packet administration programs
[03:16] <lee986321> i think they finally released th online version
[03:16] <shiwa> the strange think is that i browse internet normally with my user
[03:16] <Doctor_Nick> hell yeah
[03:17] <lee986321> sorry shiwa compter..u seemed to have developed some AI
[03:17] <shiwa> some what?
[03:17] <lee986321> don't be a fraid it is just the beginning
[03:17] <BigDaddy> Hey all. I was in here the other day & was talking to someone about having my /home on it's own dedicated HD or partition. I don't remeber who it was. IF you are here, can you reply?
[03:17] <lee986321> AI or artificial intellegence
[03:17] <shiwa> lol
[03:17] <Doctor_Nick> uhm
[03:18] <lee986321> it was a joke  ll
[03:18] <Doctor_Nick> whats the gutsy upgrade manager package called
[03:18] <shiwa> even though i dont know much about linux, for me seems a probable problems, since there is a different user running those apps
[03:18] <lee986321> eh
[03:18] <lee986321> didnt get the name
[03:19] <shiwa> i tried to log as root to configure the internet conection with its user but seems to be a disabled account
[03:20] <lee986321> ah you have devoloped the abillity to over ride seeing that you are online
[03:20] <underdog5004> !root
[03:20] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:21] <shiwa> i know, i know, i run sudo for root access! but then i dont have internet!
[03:21] <lee986321> Shiwa did you tap into a goverment satlight?
[03:22] <shiwa> i guess i may have to do with this thing: i use a WIFI WPA protected network, and to connect, knetworkmanager need to access my keys wallet, i supose sudo dont access same wallet and then cannot have the wpa key
[03:22] <Doctor_Nick> is gutsy out already?
[03:23] <lee986321> i think so... ...i ...think th online version s
[03:23] <shiwa> anyone has other idea of why i cannot download packages with "sudo apt-get"
[03:23] <lee986321> all i know is i am min an upgrade mode
[03:23] <shiwa> please help!
[03:24] <lee986321> try uising and this is going to be wierd when you get it update-manager
[03:24] <lee986321> shiwa are you on kubuntu or the other ubuntu
[03:24] <shiwa> i did! but when i SUDO i cannot browse on wired either
[03:25] <lee986321> oh no
[03:25] <lee986321> this is out of my league
[03:25] <Dangerous_Fun> the last update of ß7.10 killed my ethernet interfaces if I use wireless it sees the nets but can not connect the eth0 does not connect at all it is set to DHCP
[03:25] <shiwa> i though kubuntu is a ubuntu with kde-desktop
[03:25] <Dangerous_Fun> can some one help
[03:26] <Dangerous_Fun> <bit of a newbie
[03:26] <lee986321> I thuaght so too
[03:26] <shiwa> i installed ubuntu 7.04 and then i installed kde desktop
[03:26] <lee986321> but evendently it "behaves differently too
[03:26] <shiwa> then i got a kubuntu
[03:26] <savetheWorld> shiwa: the differences run just a little deeper than the desktop.
[03:26] <lee986321> and it missbehaves too><
[03:27] <shiwa> ohh, ok, tx, so i have an Ubuntu 7.04 + kde-desktop
[03:27] <shiwa> guess im in the wrong chat then...
[03:27] <lee986321> eh well,,,um..
[03:27] <lee986321> the command structers different..so i have learend ..the hard way
[03:28] <lee986321> no
[03:28] <lee986321> the only way you can accss this if you are running k
[03:28] <lee986321> you have the right area
[03:29] <lee986321> waht color is your desk top shiwa
[03:29] <lee986321> blue or..that ugly clor
[03:30] <lee986321> If you destops blue and you have a a letter k for your menue then your right  on the money for kubuntu
[03:30] <lee986321> I think I shorted heer out
[03:30] <lee986321> or him
[03:31] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille:
[03:31] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: you there
[03:31] <lee986321> i have 11 minutes remaning
[03:31] <lee986321> to tell u guys what it is
[03:31] <MoNsTeR> lee986321: what are you talking about
[03:32] <poty> i'm in trouble with Adept, can anyone help me ?¿ // tengo problemas con el Adept alguien me puede ayudar ¿?
[03:32] <lee986321> Dristribution upgrade
[03:33] <poty> la base de datos no se pudo abrir o algo por el estilo
[03:33] <NickPresta> !es| poty
[03:33] <ubotu> poty: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[03:33] <lee986321> no habal espenol
[03:33] <lee986321> eh habla
[03:34] <lee986321> it jsut said the three major brands that had cahnnels in spanish
[03:34] <lee986321> I bet that bot don't know gaelig
[03:35] <lee986321> or Gaelic
[03:35] <sub[t]rnl> !gutsy
[03:35] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[03:35] <lee986321> MoNsTeR ism upgraidng right now..
[03:36] <lee986321> !gaelic
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gaelic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <lee986321> taught so
[03:36] <Edenbeast> will gutsy have that compiz-fusion thing enabled by default?
[03:37] <ardchoille> Edenbeast: Ubuntu will, Kubuntu won't
[03:38] <Edenbeast> it's not deemed stable enough? I don't mind, mind you. I never really had much luck with it(compiz). :-/
[03:38] <lee986321> did you guy s know that linux is the only system that has a free Gaelic language?
[03:38] <lee986321> eh dictionarys that is
[03:39] <tony_> I need help with Firefox please.
[03:39] <lee986321> man this up dates gone fast
[03:40] <lee986321> down load time start 19:13 end Download time 1942
[03:41] <Doctor_Nick> goddammit
[03:41] <lee986321> what?
[03:41] <Doctor_Nick> why the fuck arent they enabling compiz by default on kubuntu
[03:41] <lee986321> there morons?
[03:42] <lee986321> ibet i lose my ati drivers
[03:42] <Edenbeast> I honestly was worried they did, it never worked for me on feisty (beryl did though but it wasn't what I'd call stable enough)
[03:42] <Edenbeast> seems a bit too bleeding edge to put in such a general distro like ubuntu :-/
[03:42] <MoNsTeR> lee986321: your ati card will work perfectly fine
[03:43] <lee986321> 64 bit machines handle that better then 32
[03:43] <lee986321> eh i have an ati x300
[03:43] <lee986321> thanks though
[03:43] <MoNsTeR> lee986321: i have a 64 bit machine but i cant install flash in it so i dont want to install 64 bit edition plus it doesnt really go faster
[03:44] <lee986321> ill take your word for it
[03:44] <MoNsTeR> lee986321: it will work my 9550 works and thats the worst card to have
[03:44] <MoNsTeR> lee
[03:44] <Edenbeast> as long as you don't have more than 4G of RAM should you even use 64bit linux?
[03:44] <lee986321> lol
[03:44] <MoNsTeR> lee986321: alot of people have problems with them
[03:44] <jmichaelx> how many hours until gutsy?
[03:44] <MoNsTeR> i have 1gb
[03:44] <MoNsTeR> ram
[03:44] <lee986321> well I jsut down loaded something of a gutsy don't know waht
[03:45] <lee986321> erg only 500 someting
[03:45] <dkp> hello
[03:46] <ted_> Gutsy is supposed to have the gnash plugin which will work on 64-bit
[03:46] <lee986321> when I restart ill let you know, unless the way I set my card up freezes me up
[03:47] <dkp> ??
[03:47] <dkp> ^^
[03:47] <lee986321> its using termonolgy like fusing with
[03:48] <jmichaelx> i hate to say it, and i do not want to say it, even, but i am disappointed in gutsy (in its present form)
[03:48] <lee986321> and foomatic
[03:48] <soulwarp> anyone ever had this problem?
[03:48] <soulwarp> sudo echo "afm=ffmpeg" >> /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[03:48] <soulwarp> bash: /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf: Permission denied
[03:49] <ted_> jmichaelx: why?
[03:49] <lee986321> there wet the drivers I just loaded
[03:49] <LordBacon> soulwarp: yes, that's right
[03:49] <LordBacon> soulwarp: >> is not part of the command, but the shell redirecting
[03:49] <Jucato> soulwarp: yes, it's because sudo only applies to the echo command, not the >>
[03:49] <LordBacon> soulwarp: sudo "echo 'afm=ffmpeg' >> /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf"
[03:49] <jmichaelx> ted_: i am just running into too many bugs... issues mounting vfat partitions, and issues with rt2500 wireless
[03:50] <ardchoille> soulwarp: Is there a reason you aren't putting that in ~/.mplayer/config  ?
[03:50] <ted_> jmichaelx: it has some cool stuff though
[03:50] <lee986321> waht would some comon phrases be in a n upgrade?
[03:51] <Jucato> LordBacon: I don't think that'll work either...
[03:51] <jmichaelx> ted_: i am going to give gutsy a little time to fix this stuff before i decide to switch distros... i am a big kubuntu fan, but imho gutsy is not quite ready for release
[03:51] <lee986321> eh any one "seasond at this"?
[03:51] <soulwarp> it was from a bug report work around
[03:51] <jmichaelx> ted_: yeah, it does
[03:51] <soulwarp> copy and paste
[03:51]  * Edenbeast crosses his fingers for nvidia drivers working out of the box... :-|
[03:51] <ardchoille> echo "afm=ffmpeg" | sudo tee -a /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[03:51] <ted_> jmichaelx: the bulletproof X will help a lot of people
[03:52] <MoNsTeR> how do i make a link to the trash can on my desktop
[03:52] <jmichaelx> ted_: A lot of people..... and the issues i am having could be taken care of soon. otherwise I am switching to debian lenny
[03:52] <lee986321> corsses his fingers an is hoping that he is getting getsy and not the obeat thing
[03:52] <lee986321> eh gutsy
[03:52] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: get in your room please :]
[03:53] <lee986321> eh try dragging the can its self there
[03:53] <soulwarp> ardchoille i think it worked
[03:53] <ardchoille> MoNsTeR: lol
[03:53] <soulwarp> ardchoille going to test it
[03:53] <ardchoille> soulwarp: It better work :)
[03:53] <ted_> jmichaelx: like they always say, the best linux distro is the one that works best on your machine for the stuff you want to do
[03:53] <ardchoille> soulwarp: That's the proper way to do that
[03:53] <jmichaelx> ted_: totally true...
[03:53] <lee986321> I tried gentoo...I can't get past the set updstage
[03:54] <soulwarp> ardchoille no error from the command :)
[03:54] <lee986321> I amde it to password and it said...Unrecoerable error pasword ...soemthing and byebye os
[03:54] <ardchoille> soulwarp: There shouldn't be
[03:54] <MoNsTeR> dragging it didnt work
[03:55] <lee986321> dang I really need to get glasses so Ican spell right
[03:55] <ardchoille> lol
[03:55] <lee986321> hmm i tired
[03:55] <lee986321> work with all the other iconys lol
[03:56] <Roey> hi!
[03:56] <MoNsTeR> can somebody help me i want a trash icon on my desktop
[03:56] <Roey> When is KDE 3.5.8 coming out for Feisty Fawn?
[03:56] <Edenbeast>  why has the file-manager been changed to dolphin? On the site it says it's because of the simplicity, but isn't that more of a gnome thing?
[03:56] <Edenbeast> Roey, it's out now I believe
[03:56] <Roey> Also, is upgrading to Gutsy as smooth as replacing the sources line in /etc/apt.sources.list, doing apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:56] <Edenbeast> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-358.php
[03:56] <Roey> thanks
[03:56] <ted_> Edenbeast, I think they wanted a dedicated file manager without all the web stuff
[03:57] <lee986321> it just asked my if i wanted to make changes..I said no
[03:57] <lee986321> to the ext
[03:57] <Airforce55555> how do you save a file in open office?
[03:57] <sub[t]rnl> Roey: yes
[03:57] <Airforce55555> i try to save but it sais choose a file to open
[03:57] <lee986321> save as
[03:57] <Airforce55555> i dont want to open i want to save
[03:57] <Roey> sub[t]rnl:  ok
[03:57] <Airforce55555> same thing with save as
[03:57] <Roey> sub[t]rnl:  any side-effects?
[03:58] <sub[t]rnl> Roey: hrm
[03:58] <Roey> ya
[03:58] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[03:58] <Roey> like, say
[03:58] <MoNsTeR> is today the day gutsy came out
[03:58] <Airforce55555> could somebody help?
[03:58] <MoNsTeR> how come i havent got the option to update
[03:58] <Roey> sub[t]rnl:  do you know if Gutsy uses that patched xresprobe to properly detect Dell 2405FPW monitors by now?
[03:59] <sub[t]rnl> Roey: not sure, you could run a find in the change logs though
[03:59] <lee986321> oh so tahts the other lee
[03:59] <ted_> Airforce55555: that's weird ... it says Save As for me
[03:59] <Roey> sub[t]rnl:  ok, thanks
[03:59] <Airforce55555> huh
[03:59] <er> hi, anyone having "menu" troubles? I have all that extra text which makes the menu hard to use? thanks :)
[04:00] <ted_> MoNsTeR: Gutsy will be released tomorrow
[04:00] <Roey> yeay
[04:00] <lee986321> is in the process of updating
[04:00] <lee986321> 0 minutes befor reboot
[04:01] <lee986321> MoNsTeR I cheated..I used a comand update-manager adn when tht faile I did the apt get.
[04:01] <lee986321> i like to do wierd things like that
[04:01] <X-DeluXe> wow
[04:01] <melody> Evening.
[04:01] <[Tyro]> Hey, does anyone have a link to a tutorial of how to install Kubuntu onto a Win XP without clearing any data?
[04:02] <[Tyro]> for dual booting
[04:02] <lee986321> eh ithink its aobut to reconfig my net work here in a sec
[04:02] <melody> [Tyro]: you mean, resizing the winblows partition to allow space for Linux and then dual boot?
[04:02] <Rodotheone> sex
[04:02] <[Tyro]> i dunno
[04:03] <jmichaelx> update-manager always fails, for me , anyways
[04:03] <max__> hello
[04:03] <lee986321> waht the heck is hiplip?
[04:03] <X-DeluXe> Tyro: its not so hard, just make some partition-free space on your harddisc
[04:03] <[Tyro]> i just wanna know how to install Kubuntu onto a winxp system for dual booting without clearing data melody
[04:03] <Edenbeast> Tyro, you could install it using qemu if you just wanted to try it out
 got to howtoforg
[04:03] <ted_> [Tyro]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
 got to howtoforg.com
[04:04] <BlueDrew> well, you could just resize your winblows partition to make more room.  or put another HD in there.
[04:04] <[Tyro]> right
[04:06] <[Tyro]> ok, well i got NTSF
[04:06] <[Tyro]> so there is trouble
[04:07] <[Tyro]> NTFS*
[04:07] <BlueDrew> shouldn't be trouble.   you should be able to resize ntfs partitions
[04:08] <[Tyro]> it sais that it doesn't allow for read and write
[04:08] <[Tyro]> only read
[04:09] <BlueDrew> but the partition resizing app shouldn't care for a resize.   read/write (which you can do on linux, btw) is more for everyday usage
[04:09] <Edenbeast> ntfs3g allows for read and write but you can't have ntfs as the filesystem of your /
[04:09] <soulwarp> [Tyro] the kubuntu install cd can resize the windows partition for you
[04:09] <[Tyro]> yeah
[04:09] <[Tyro]> i was just reading this thing here
[04:09] <BlueDrew> [Tyro]: do a google search on the resizing issue.
[04:09] <ted_> [Tyro]: The new Ubuntu/Kubuntu 7.10 supports NTFS read/write
[04:09] <[Tyro]> "Issues with Windows XP and NTFS"
[04:09] <BlueDrew> I personally have never resized.. I either install a new HD or nuke windows.
[04:09] <[Tyro]> haha
[04:09] <[Tyro]> sounds like a good idea
[04:10] <[Tyro]> but not on a dell system
[04:10] <Edenbeast> but if you just want to try before you commit, you can just as well run it in a virtual box like qemu or vmware and if you don't like it (which is impossible if you're a person of good taste :p) then you can just delete the one image file and be done with it
[04:10] <soulwarp> [Tyro] i've resised my windows partition with the kubuntu install cd with out any issues
[04:10] <BlueDrew> I install vmware to run windows under linux if i absolutely need to, but I rarely do that.  so.... not really an issue.
[04:10] <Edenbeast> can parted resize ntfs owadays?
[04:10] <lee986321> wish me luck as I restart
[04:11] <[Tyro]> soulwarp do you have to backup stuff?
[04:11] <soulwarp> [Tyro] i didn't
[04:11] <LordBacon> Edenbeast: gparted can, but I don't recommend using it
[04:11] <BlueDrew> it is always a good idea to have a backup of your important personal data
[04:11] <LordBacon> it has a habit of re-ordering partitions, trashing windows' ability to boot
[04:11] <[Tyro]> yeah, i don't think i've ever backed anything
[04:11] <soulwarp> [Tyro] you get a slider bar to help you resize the amount you want
[04:12] <[Tyro]> cool
[04:12] <BlueDrew> [Tyro]: that's brave or... foolish.. especially on a windows machine
[04:12] <[Tyro]> it is
[04:12] <[Tyro]> i just don't see why any data would be lost, so i just never back stuff up i trust technology
[04:13] <[Tyro]> But i'm pissed with winxp becasue it's not letting me disable Pagefile
[04:13] <X-DeluXe> take a look at the release channel... everyone got mad there ^^
[04:14] <Edenbeast> anybody here using anything other than xfs or ext3? I usually take ext3 but I must say I had some problems with it with the last kernels I got. :-/ anybody use zfs maybe?
[04:14] <Edenbeast> Tyro just set it to 2MB
[04:14] <jords>  Real Men don't make backups. They upload it via ftp and let the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds
[04:14] <X-DeluXe> i use ext3, but i hate this checkup every 20th startup
[04:14] <[Tyro]> Edenbeast it resizes it self saying it's too small
[04:14] <Edenbeast> heh my computer is pretty much 24/7 :-s
[04:15] <[Tyro]> that's what pisses me
[04:15] <BlueDrew> hardrives can fail, regardless.  Plus I'd never trust windows for my important data anyway.... too many issues.   I made the switch to linux a few years back after my daughter was born and i had a lot of digital pics on my windows partition... only to have windows come back with an error of "unable to find magic cookie" on my HD... and I lost all that data.  Since then I've been running pclinuxos (or kubuntu, or several other
[04:15] <BlueDrew> distros) with ext3-journalised to keep my data more secure
[04:15] <Edenbeast> Tyro: install more RAM
[04:15] <Edenbeast> seems the obvious solution
[04:15] <lee986321> woa taht is one bright screen lol
[04:15] <lee986321> ati is intact
[04:15] <Edenbeast> you better not be talking about me :p
[04:15] <hdevalence> what is VM dirty writeback time?
[04:15] <[Tyro]> Edenbeast i have 2.5 Gig
[04:16] <[Tyro]> and it only uses like 512meg
[04:16] <[Tyro]> ands starts using the pagefile
[04:16] <Edenbeast> hmm that sucks :-/
[04:16] <[Tyro]> Very much so
[04:16] <lee986321> well
[04:16] <[Tyro]> It's good to have the RAM for games though
[04:16] <lee986321> it seems taht Iam on the gutsy version
[04:17] <lee986321> and its not asking for updates
[04:17] <[Tyro]> i need it for that, and it uses it, but all my other stuff pisses me off
[04:17] <Edenbeast> what can I say, I'm happily usng linux since about '98 and windows free since 2002  :-|
[04:17] <soulwarp> gutzy comes out tomorrow?
[04:17] <Edenbeast> which games do you play? some games can run on linux via wine/cedega
[04:18] <BlueDrew> windows free here too... plus our work has switched to linux.  We only have two machines there now with legacy operating systems on them (windows)
[04:18] <soulwarp> i like tremulous, very fun game
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> soulwarp: comes out in like, an hour
[04:18] <soulwarp> :o
[04:18]  * Edenbeast quickly hides the terminal services window remoting in the windows server *blush*
[04:18] <soulwarp> hope they fix the mencoder bug
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> which?
[04:18] <BlueDrew> i solved game compatibility issues and the constant "hardware upgrade" spiral of pc gaming......  i got a Wii instead.  problem solved.
[04:18] <Edenbeast> in my defense it's not my server :P
[04:19] <[Tyro]> what is windows Free?
[04:19] <sub[t]rnl> mencoder is pffth. use ffmpeg anyway
[04:19] <BlueDrew> Now i just use my computer for computing stuff.
[04:19] <Edenbeast> I'm very compelled by that new game that will come out hellgate London
[04:19] <BlueDrew> windows free means you don't have windows in your domain... home..work..etc
[04:19] <soulwarp> sub[t]rnl i like both
[04:19] <Edenbeast> and I'd love to play TF2 as well :-/
[04:19] <lee986321> eh my ps2 surfices me for gaming until Isave up for games
[04:19] <soulwarp> sub[t]rnl but it would be nice
[04:19] <sub[t]rnl> soulwarp: agreed
[04:19] <[Tyro]> ohh, so you're free of windows like chains
[04:19] <BlueDrew> no windows issues.
[04:20] <sub[t]rnl> then mencoder wouldn't be so, as I so sophisticatedly put it.. "pffth"
[04:20] <Edenbeast> but my computer has socket 939 so I'd need to buy yet another mobo + processor and probably new ram as well + a new videocard... it just nevevr stops :P
[04:20] <soulwarp> sub[t]rnl some issues when converting mp3s in video files
[04:20] <BlueDrew> only reason I would get an upgraded gfx card is to get even smoother compiz-fusion performance. :)
[04:21] <soulwarp> sub[t]rnl only way to fix it was to downgrade mencoder :'(
[04:21] <sub[t]rnl> no kidding?
[04:21] <Edenbeast> does compiz-fusion have that beryl limitation where it'll run up to your vidcard's memory limit and will then display blacked-out windows?
[04:21] <sub[t]rnl> I use ffmpeg/mencoder to encode my .avi files so I can burn them on dvd's
[04:21] <BlueDrew> Edenbeast: that was an NVIDIA problem....  fixed in the newest drivers.
[04:21] <[Tyro]> when was the latest Kubuntu released
[04:21] <sub[t]rnl> usually use the tovid script header to do the dirty work though
[04:21] <[Tyro]> or will be
[04:21] <Edenbeast> ah ok, great :-)
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> I've produced some really nice looking dvd's in linux, thats for sure
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> using ffmpeg/mpeg2enc
[04:22] <X-DeluXe> kde 4 in december i think
[04:22] <soulwarp> sub[t]rnl personally i like ffmpeg for the speed
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> agreed
[04:22] <BlueDrew> man... getting a tonsillectomy at 35 really sucks.
[04:22] <lee986321> taht reminds me, Ineed a dvd authorign system
[04:23] <[Tyro]> what version of Kubuntu do you guys use?
[04:23] <lee986321> ok so how do I check if this is a beta that i reiceived or the real macoy?
[04:23] <X-DeluXe> [Tyro]: 2 times a year, they update the whole (k)ubuntu... today should be one update
[04:24] <Edenbeast> I use a mutated version of ubuntu -> kubuntu
[04:24] <lee986321> lol
[04:24] <Edenbeast> currently at 7.04
[04:24] <[Tyro]> do you guys use both Kubuntu  and Ubuntu?
[04:24] <sub[t]rnl> 7.10 here
[04:24] <lee986321> 7.10 here
[04:24] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: what version are you checking?
[04:24] <[Tyro]> where do you get 7.10 from?
[04:24] <ardchoille> [Tyro]: just Kubuntu here
[04:24] <lee986321> the one that I just upgraded
[04:24] <soulwarp> its possible to use kde or gnome
[04:25] <soulwarp> with kubuntu
[04:25] <Edenbeast> Tyro: in a sense you can. You can install both Desktop environments and choose which one to use or have different DEs per user.
[04:25] <soulwarp> but kubuntu comes with kde
[04:25] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: oh, your wanting to check your ubuntu version?
[04:25] <[Tyro]> you and Ubuntu is Gnome
[04:25] <Edenbeast> the one thing I really miss from gnome is gnome-video-thumbnailer :-(
[04:25] <X-DeluXe> ubuntu -> gnome ; kubuntu -> kde
[04:25] <lee986321> yes or in my case the kubuntu version
[04:26] <soulwarp> like ubuntu only comes with gnome but you can install kde or other windows managers
[04:26] <lee986321> allain all yes
[04:26] <Edenbeast> I don't like that the konqueror one doesn't pick somewhat random images, when looking at a series, they all display the same front image now.
[04:26] <[Tyro]> So Kubuntu and Ubuntu, the only dif is KDE and GNome, but you can have Gnome on Kubuntu?
[04:26] <sub[t]rnl> lsb_release -a
[04:26] <lee986321> how do i know if i be beta or..
[04:26] <Edenbeast> and you can have kde on ubuntu, yes
[04:26] <[Tyro]> so what's the difference between them then?
[04:26] <sub[t]rnl> between what?
[04:27] <soulwarp> from what i hear ubunutu wil come with a new fall back windows manager that doesn't require x-windows in case it crashes
[04:27] <Edenbeast> or fluxbox, openbox or any other DE or WM(window manager)
[04:27] <[Tyro]> (K) $ Ubuntu
[04:27] <[Tyro]> Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[04:27] <lee986321> No LSB modules are available.
[04:27] <sub[t]rnl> kubuntu IS ubuntu..
[04:27] <soulwarp> one comes with kde one comes with gnome
[04:27] <sub[t]rnl> but its running kde
[04:27] <[Tyro]> so it's just what they come with
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, the core is the same thing
[04:28] <soulwarp> not every distro can fit on one CD
[04:28] <lee986321> Description:    Ubuntu 7.10
[04:28] <soulwarp> fedora is like 4 or 5 CDs if i remember
[04:28] <[Tyro]> so what are the main differences between KDE and Gnome?
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu is one command: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> or whatever it is
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> [Tyro]: quite a few
[04:29] <lee986321> Release:        7.10
[04:29] <BlueDrew> kde is more advanced and way cooler. :)
[04:29] <soulwarp> yes!
[04:29] <sub[t]rnl> agreed
[04:29] <X-DeluXe> yes :)
[04:29] <lee986321> well am  i a beta or...
[04:29] <sub[t]rnl> larger memory footprint though
[04:29] <Edenbeast> Tyro: gnome tends to focus on ease of use through simplicity, to lesen the burden for new users (at least that's my impression of it)
[04:29] <sub[t]rnl> with kde
[04:29] <BlueDrew> tyro... you may wanna also try out the livecd for pclinuxos 2007.  kde based system with very nice multimedia setup from the get-go...  you can get it from pclinuxos.com
[04:29] <Edenbeast> kde on the other hand tends to present you with lots and lots of options and has more of a windows look
[04:29] <lee986321> i treid gentoo
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> holy mother Edenbeast
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> my kde looks nothing like windows
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[04:30] <soulwarp> slax was a cool live cd i once tryed
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: gentoo is good
[04:30] <ardchoille> Edenbeast: my kde looks nothing like windows
[04:30] <lee986321> failed hard core  at setting it..made it to pw an no idea what happend
[04:30] <Edenbeast> mine doesn't either now, but I do think a base install resembles it somewhat more than gnome :-/
[04:30] <ardchoille> yeah
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: portage is a damn good package manager too.. just compiling everything from source throws some people off
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> but meh
[04:31] <ardchoille> yeah, I wanna use it now.. not next week, lol
[04:31] <Edenbeast> and it's not like it's necessarily a bad thing: familiarity tends to be a good thing for many people
[04:31] <lee986321> i am not saying its not... i just don't know where i went erong at.. said pw fatal error then shut down
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> ardchoille lol
[04:32] <lee986321> i went with the sugested hints lol
[04:32] <lee986321> i just want to know i f i had done my pw would it shut it down?
[04:32] <lee986321> in set up mode?
[04:33] <Edenbeast> and gnome has way more and better themes :p
[04:33] <sub[t]rnl> Edenbeast: lol
[04:33] <Edenbeast> I really really want a 'milk' theme for my kde, that would rock
[04:33] <sub[t]rnl> kde-look ftw?
[04:33] <lee986321> do you recomend the dvd the instead of the cd?
[04:37] <sub[t]rnl> wonder how many time's I've refreshed ffox looking for 7.10 live cd
[04:37] <sub[t]rnl> :}
[04:38] <soulwarp> giev
[04:38] <Ch1ppy> hey, my kopete keeps crashing now?
[04:38] <Ch1ppy> er, it just randomly started
[04:38] <Ch1ppy> only thing I've done was update + install kde4 beta3, but running kde3's kopete
[04:39] <sub[t]rnl> only thing eh? heh
[04:39] <lee986321> oh fergetting i  have got to havve my celtic back ground
[04:39] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: only thing that could have impacted it I mean
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, thats a pretty big step though
[04:40] <aslam> hi all, where can i find kde4 beta3 packages, aptitude still doesn't show them :(
[04:40] <prak> is the gutsy available to some people now?
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> try killing all processes releated to Kopete
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> and opening it again
[04:40] <prak> as it's oct 18 in most areas of the world?
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> ps aux |grep kopete
[04:40] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: kay, one sec
[04:41] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: no other kopete processes running
[04:41] <lee986321> sub[t]rnl what thre me for a loop was...doing my pw...i couldnt see any thing not even astrix when i typed it in
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: hehe
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> i be
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> Ch1ppy: fire it up in konsole to see the feedback
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> that way you can catch any gripes and debug it
[04:41] <lee986321> so I no idea if I was typing in the box or not
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> bbiab
[04:41] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: I did, no others running
[04:42] <lee986321> does it have an actual scren that comes up when finished?
[04:42] <millerjd> Hey, with KDE 4 beta 3, did they fix the kicker replacement?
[04:43] <lee986321> and wah is it meaning when there is an nrecoverable error?
[04:43] <millerjd> it means you have an error you can't recover from =0)
[04:43] <lee986321> so taht means..wrong pw..back to the drawing board then correct
[04:44] <lee986321> or do i have a bad disk?
[04:44] <millerjd> I have no clue what you are talking about
[04:44] <Ch1ppy> millerjd: I'd tell you, but it won't even start for me :S
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> Ch1ppy: back
[04:45] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: kay, any other ideas?
[04:45] <millerjd> Ch1ppy: what part doesn't start for you?
[04:45] <millerjd> you also have to install kde4base-dev to get kde4 to start
[04:45] <sub[t]rnl> Ch1ppy: try running it from a terminal
[04:45] <sub[t]rnl> Ch1ppy: open konsole, then run kopete
[04:45] <sub[t]rnl> to see the output
[04:45] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: oh right, duh
[04:45]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[04:46] <millerjd> my company is have a 7.10 release party tomorrow and I'm wondering if they put some sort of menu bar (kicker) at the bottom of beta 3 for kde 4
[04:46] <Ch1ppy> millerjd: maybe that's it ;)
[04:46] <millerjd> if you get an error about a library missing, it's probably because the file you need is actually in kde4base-dev
[04:46] <Ch1ppy> millerjd: hold up, I'll try it in a sec
[04:46] <millerjd> i ran into that
[04:47] <lee986321> oh I neeok now to test a few things in my graphics..hmm it seems to be stuck in 32 mb rather then 256
[04:47] <lee986321> erg
[04:47] <millerjd> I wish the kubuntu people had some sort of changlog for their kde4 beta updates
[04:47] <sub[t]rnl> lee986321: your not seeing all your available memory?
[04:47] <feimao> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2500+ at 1830 MHz (3665 bogomips), , RAM: 497/503MB, 111 proc's, 3.34h up
[04:48] <millerjd> brb, taco bell time
[04:48] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: kopete: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
[04:48] <Ch1ppy> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[04:49] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> sounds like a permissions problem
[04:50] <Ch1ppy> millerjd: that got it, thanks for the tip.  there's a bar at the bottom with a clock, but no taskbar and no menu.  also, the status bar thingy icons are displaying above the bar....
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> Ch1ppy: try running it via "sudo kopete"
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> for me
[04:50] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: ahead of you ;)
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> err, better yet, kdesu kopete
[04:51] <sub[t]rnl> good
[04:51] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: that's it, good call.  any idea what I can do to fix it?
[04:52]  * sub[t]rnl sucks on teeth
[04:52] <Ironman_> hello does kubuntu have good support or laptops?
[04:52] <sub[t]rnl> its an issue with kdelibs
[04:53] <sub[t]rnl> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[04:53] <sub[t]rnl> theres the fix
[04:53] <sub[t]rnl> you can either downgrade your kdelibs, or dpkg -i the download from that link
[04:54]  * sub[t]rnl recommends the download
[04:54] <Ironman_> do anyone know if kubuntu offers good support or laptops?
[04:55] <sub[t]rnl> Ironman_: yes
[04:55] <soulwarp> i just use gaim ;p
[04:55] <sub[t]rnl> kopete > gaim!
[04:55] <sub[t]rnl> XD
[04:55] <sub[t]rnl> wheres your kde allience soulwarp!
[04:56] <sub[t]rnl> alliance even
[04:56] <soulwarp> lol
[04:56] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[04:57] <ardchoille> s/alliance/allegiance/
[04:57] <iss_student> Ironman run kubuntu on my laptop and love it
[04:57] <sub[t]rnl> ardchoille: shush you
[04:57] <ardchoille> lol
[04:58] <soulwarp> does kopete have the ability to transfer pictures with yahoo messanger?
[04:58] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[04:58] <WaltzingAlong> send files?
[04:58] <soulwarp> yes
[04:58] <soulwarp> i've never tested it
[04:58] <sub[t]rnl> me either, but its there
[04:59] <sub[t]rnl> I see pictures of my friends on yahoo accounts when they get online though
[04:59] <soulwarp> yahoo is funny about that i hear
[04:59] <Ch1ppy> sub[t]rnl: that works, thanks :)
[04:59] <sub[t]rnl> Ch1ppy: np
[04:59] <ted_> soulwarp: I tried that feature recently and it didn't work for me
[04:59] <mika__> wouldn't it just be the same as sending files over msn?
[04:59] <soulwarp> ted_ doesn't work with gaim either
[04:59] <ted_> soulwarp: huh, it did work on gaim for me
[05:00] <Doctor_Nick> SHIT GUYS
[05:00] <millerjd> ch1ppy, you get kde4 running?
[05:01] <soulwarp> ted_ usually never shows the transfer on the other end when i tryed it
[05:01] <Doctor_Nick> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[05:01] <Doctor_Nick> 0 days to go :D
[05:01] <ted_> soulwarp: yep, same behavior here, going in both directions
[05:01] <soulwarp> must be EST
[05:01] <millerjd> anyone know if the beta 3 of kde 4 fixes kicker replacement
[05:02] <ted_> soulwarp: although I'm not sure if it could be my NAT router
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> millerjd: what kind of kicker replacement are you talking about? just curious
[05:03] <millerjd> I think they call it kickoff
[05:03] <millerjd> will be replaced with raptor
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> ewh, cool
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> no idea
[05:03] <millerjd> I know in beta 2, there was no menu bar (kicker) on the bottom
[05:04] <millerjd> company is doing a 7.10 release party tomorrow and I'm waiting for a machine to apt-get kde4b3 to see if it has some sort of start bar at the bottom
[05:04] <ekrengel> does anyone know a command to send a signal to a monitor if it cannot resume from suspend?
[05:05] <sub[t]rnl> millerjd: fun fun
[05:05] <ekrengel> i can fake change the resolution
[05:05] <ekrengel> and have it come back after applying the same resolution that it was at
[05:05] <ekrengel> on my second screen
[05:06] <ekrengel> "monitor and display" commands
[05:06] <millerjd> anyone is invited, cocktails will be served
[05:06] <sub[t]rnl> where at!
[05:06] <X-DeluXe> millerjd: served at your kde?
[05:07] <millerjd> phoenix, arizona
[05:07] <millerjd> we are the only linux retail store here in the valley
[05:07] <soulwarp> <---orlano florida =/
[05:08] <millerjd> so we have parties when there is a new release
[05:08] <soulwarp> orlando*
[05:08] <sub[t]rnl> though, if I got hammered and sat down in front of kde4b3 i would reeealy screw it up.. (unstable + more unstable = ...poop)
[05:08]  * genii thinks about coffee but sips a fruit juice instead
[05:08] <sub[t]rnl> genii is a coffee fiend
[05:09] <sub[t]rnl> period
[05:09] <dsmith__> its 2:00 PM, Thursday Oct 18th, in Australia.  I'm a hardcore gnome guy, but I really like kde4
[05:10] <marx2k> I wonder what today's dist-upgrade is gonna do for my KDE
[05:11] <sub[t]rnl> marx2k: the update manager is pretty ironed out, it was seemless for me, for the rc1
[05:12] <sub[t]rnl> so I'm sure you'll breeze through it, no troubles for the stable
[05:12] <marx2k> haha no I didnt mean what is it gonna do TO my KDE :)
[05:12] <millerjd> For the LOVE OF PETE why did they not fix the kicker in Beta 3?!!!?!!!!!
[05:12] <millerjd> I just finished installing kde4b3 and still no kicker
[05:12] <millerjd> no nothung
[05:12] <millerjd> nothing
[05:13] <sub[t]rnl> ...um
[05:13] <Jucato> 1. There is no kicker in KDE 4
[05:13] <millerjd> whatever the replacement is
[05:13] <marx2k> how'd KDE4 in general?
[05:13] <sub[t]rnl> raptor!
[05:13] <millerjd> I can never remember the name
[05:13] <Jucato> 2. The fixes for it came after the Beta 3 freeze
[05:13] <millerjd> is there a way to get the fix?
[05:13] <Jucato> 3. Even at Beta 3, Plasma is still under heavy development
[05:14] <WaltzingAlong> calling it the third beta hardly means it is almost finished
[05:14] <millerjd> I know that, but it seems rather trivial that kubuntu is far behind on the kde4 dev
[05:14] <Jucato> ...
[05:15] <millerjd> I've seen some nice kde4 setups
[05:16] <millerjd> but kubuntu hasn't put it together yet
[05:16] <Jucato> in order to make packages, one has to take a snapshot of the state of the software at a given date. You can't take a snapshot of software last week, package it, then expect it to have todays updates and fixes
[05:16] <Jucato> so unless you compile it yourself, yes, it will be behind a bit
[05:17] <godfodder> is there a way to run dos from kubuntu?
[05:17] <godfodder> the only way for me to install my particular version of xp needs dos
[05:17] <X-DeluXe> wine?
[05:17] <godfodder> what a pain in the butt
[05:18] <Jucato> um... no...
[05:18] <WaltzingAlong> wine emulates windows api, not dos
[05:18] <WaltzingAlong> !info dosbox
[05:18] <tazgodx> anyone know the command to upgrade my kubuntu to 7.10?
[05:18] <ubotu> dosbox: A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65-1 (feisty), package size 506 kB, installed size 1388 kB
[05:18] <godfodder> when i runn the xp installer i get an error and it closes
[05:18] <WaltzingAlong> tazgodx: there are instructions on kubuntu.org
[05:18] <Jucato> and if you're trying to install Windows on your hard drive, you can't do it from w/in Linux, specially not through wine
[05:19] <tazgodx> ok, thanks WaltzingAlong
[05:19] <godfodder> well my c drive is wiped so i'm having some issues
[05:19] <godfodder> thanks WaltzingAlong, i'll try dosbox
[05:19] <millerjd> I don't think I have the patience to compile kde4, I'm sure I'd bork something up this late at night
[05:20] <WaltzingAlong> godfodder: if you want ms windows within gnu/linux then perhaps look at virtualization software
[05:20] <godfodder> i'm very new to linux so i can use as much help as possible
[05:20] <godfodder> lol
[05:21]  * Jucato doesn't think this is the right place to ask how to re-install Windows :)
[05:21] <dsmith__> heh
[05:21]  * sub[t]rnl cackles
[05:21] <ardchoille> lol
[05:21] <sub[t]rnl> I get lost in front of a windows machine...
[05:21] <sub[t]rnl> its sad
[05:22] <godfodder> lol
[05:22] <soulwarp> my family thinks im a computer wiz so they ask me questions about windows...
[05:22] <Jucato> although I must say I've never heard of a Windows installer that requires MS-DOS other than Windows 3.1...
[05:22] <dsmith__> i get asked why should we use free software when we can pay for software thats supported?
[05:22] <genii> sub[t]rnl: The other day I caught myself on a windows machine i needed to examine, typing in: ifconfig a few times before I realised my error
[05:22] <dsmith__> lol
[05:22] <sub[t]rnl> I have to run "cmd" every now and again just to see something somewhat familiar
[05:22] <sub[t]rnl> genii: lol
[05:22] <dsmith__> I've done that
[05:22] <Jucato> godfodder: btw there's a ##windows channel. you might be able to get help there
[05:22] <godfodder> yeah it has a Uwin installer
[05:23] <ardchoille> dsmith__: Send them here: http://ardchoille42.googlepages.com/linux.html
[05:23] <godfodder> its windows xp pro with sp2/sp3
[05:23] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[05:23] <genii> brrrrr beta service packs
[05:23]  * Jucato is guessing it's sort of pirated software..
[05:24] <genii> Jucato: I have a "don't ask don't tell" policy
[05:24] <godfodder> it comes with all these extras too... like a vista interface option lol
[05:24] <Jucato> in which case it's a double no-no
[05:24] <dsmith__> ardchoille: thx
[05:24] <godfodder> bbl
[05:24] <Jucato> genii: but you're not an op. I would have to ask and kick :)
[05:24] <Jucato> at least I ask first :D
[05:24] <dsmith__> ppl just refuse to go away from windows
[05:25] <genii> Ah, true
[05:25] <genii> dsmith__: They are afraid of change.
[05:25] <dsmith__> that or refuse to change
[05:26] <Jucato> to be fair, some of them really can't...
[05:26] <sub[t]rnl> agreed Jucato
[05:26] <dsmith__> i support close to 50 users..
[05:26] <sub[t]rnl> there are quite a few people that I know that run linux.. and though its bad to say.. I really wish they wouldn't
[05:26] <Jucato> work, needed/favorite software w/o Linux altertanives, games *cough*
[05:26] <sub[t]rnl> save on my cellphone bill
[05:26] <Jucato> heh :0
[05:26] <Jucato> :)
[05:27] <Jucato> (then there are those who are probably better off *not* running Linux :P)
[05:27] <dsmith__> I caught on fella trying to install windows Nvidia drivers on his linux box
[05:27] <sub[t]rnl> yeh
[05:27] <dsmith__> lol
[05:27] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[05:27] <sub[t]rnl> I went to my buddies house last night, I had installed kubuntu on a partition for him
[05:27] <lee986321> oh man zines  for amorachs been takes out...its dreyed out i cant listen to any stations that celtic
[05:27] <Jucato> stick around longer here and you'll meet people asking how to install an exe installer for firefox :)
[05:27] <sub[t]rnl> and I saw ./someapp.exe in his .bash_history
[05:27] <sub[t]rnl> heh, busted
[05:27] <dsmith__> lol
[05:28] <Jucato> lee986321: whatcha talking about?
[05:28] <mrtimbo> are my eyes playing with me or is 7.10 out
[05:28] <dsmith__> where...where
[05:28] <Jucato> probably the former :P
[05:28] <Jucato> it should be out Oct. 18... question is what time and on whose timezone
[05:28] <lee986321> a critical part for dtreamimg in amorochs no longer available
[05:28] <sunilonln> would i lose anything by forcing an upgrade to gutsy right now, or should i wait until it officially releases?
[05:28] <genii> Heh. A computer lab I maintain..we have 2 *buntu boxes. Someone downloaded msn messenger install exe to the desktop about 20 times
[05:28] <Jucato> 1st of all, it's Xine and Amarok. 2nd nothing has been taken out
[05:28] <dsmith__> sunilonln: make a backup first!
[05:29] <sub[t]rnl> genii: lol
[05:29] <lee986321> judt s sec ill get the name of that plug in
[05:29] <dsmith__> genlmao
[05:29] <mrtimbo> i just told it to update and it told me that an upgrade to 7.20 is avail
[05:29] <dsmith__> genii: LMAO
[05:29] <sunilonln> dsmith__: obviously; i'm talking about functionality and/or code changes
[05:29] <genii> dsmith__: Even more ironic, Pidgin was running the whole time
[05:29]  * Jucato wouldn't probably survive as a sysadmin...
[05:30] <dsmith__> HMMMM
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> sunilonln: nope.
[05:30] <dsmith__> i use kopete
[05:30] <lee986321> Xine extraplug in...it has been greyed out
[05:30] <sunilonln> sub[t]rnl: nope meaning it's ok to upgrade now?
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> sunilonln: yup
[05:30] <dsmith__> jabber, yahoo, msn
[05:30] <sunilonln> cool
[05:30] <Jucato> lee986321: libxine1-ffmpeg is what you need
[05:30] <lee986321> its under multi media
[05:30] <lee986321> for amrach?
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> update manager is pretty ironed out, should be smooth sailing
[05:31] <dsmith__> genii: checkout ncomputing
[05:31] <Jucato> oh btw guys, just a bit of a heads up. starting today, when people ask about MP3 codecs, tell them libxine1-ffmpeg instead of libxine-extracodecs
[05:31] <sub[t]rnl> just keep an eye on the packages it recommends removing in the upgrade
[05:31] <sub[t]rnl> Jucato: 10-4
[05:31] <Jucato> or if they're using gutsy, just tell them to install kubuntu-restricted-extras for the whole bunch (except w32 and dvd)
[05:31] <dsmith__> NetersLandreau: aircard?
[05:31] <genii> Jucato: Has that been updated in ubotu's blurbs?
[05:32] <mrtimbo> well it is upgrading so i guess ill just download an iso from the local mirror tomorrow
[05:32] <lee986321> eh i am trying to listen to a pod cast
[05:32] <Edenbeast> my amarok refuses to play mp3s anymore :-(
[05:32] <Jucato> genii: ubotu doesn't give the package name actually
[05:32] <Edenbeast> since the last upgrade
[05:32] <Jucato> Edenbeast: try to check if libxine1-ffmpeg is installed
[05:32] <genii> /msg ubotu hi
[05:32] <genii> oops
[05:32]  * sub[t]rnl snaps
[05:32] <soulwarp> woops
[05:32] <sub[t]rnl> I wanted to say it Jucato!
[05:32] <Edenbeast> oh it has that and libmad and all the codecs you can imagine
[05:32] <sunilonln> sub[t]rnl: should i use 'sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release'?
[05:32] <Jucato>  /msg genii hahaha!
[05:33] <sub[t]rnl> sunilonln: I upgraded through adept manager
[05:33]  * Jucato wonders why use the gnome commands...
[05:33] <sub[t]rnl> sunilonln: but its the same thing really
[05:33] <genii> Jucato: I want to query him a bit about mp3s and so on
[05:33] <Edenbeast> it still says no mp3 support from time to time and then it usuually freezes on that :-/
[05:33] <lee986321> for my pod casts? i need  libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:33] <Jucato> sunilonln: there's a step by step for Kubuntu using adept-manager
[05:33] <Crazypoultry> sorry for what may sound like a stupid ? but i'm pretty new to linux, is there anything special i need to do to update to 7.10 when it releases?(i tried the RC and for some reason it kept killing my ethernet  connection as well as my winblows partition)
[05:33] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: might not be the same thing really.
[05:33] <Edenbeast> what happened to amarok-gstreamer btw?
[05:34] <Jucato> Crazypoultry: are you on 7.10 RC right now?
[05:34] <sub[t]rnl> Jucato seems they use the same repos right?
[05:34] <Crazypoultry> no
[05:34] <lee986321> they deleted the main codec
[05:34] <Ironman_> did all the downloads change to dvd because im not seeing any more cd downloads?
[05:34] <Crazypoultry> 7.04 as of now
[05:34] <Ironman_> nvm
[05:34] <sub[t]rnl>  /msg ubotu shh, we'll talk about that later
[05:34] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: yes. but afaik, adept_manager makes sure some kubuntu stuff is installed before proceding
[05:34] <Edenbeast> now amarok just complains about not finding the correct demultiplexer so I figure it's not looking inthe corect place somehow
[05:35] <sub[t]rnl> sunilonln: use adept_manager just to be safe
[05:35] <Jucato> Crazypoultry: nothing special. just follow the steps when it comes out
[05:35] <sub[t]rnl> sunilonln: cause I know for a fact its ironed out
[05:35] <Crazypoultry> k, tyty
[05:35] <sunilonln> sub[t]rnl: already started it in the terminal; seems to be fine so far
[05:35] <Jucato> uh oh?
[05:35]  * sub[t]rnl shuffles feet
[05:35] <Jucato> you're using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:35] <sunilonln> yes
[05:35] <sunilonln> is that a problem?
[05:36] <Jucato> now that's going to be more problematic
[05:36] <sunilonln> i can kill it; it's still downloading repo info
[05:36] <sunilonln> k, killed - i'll use adept
[05:36] <Jucato> 1. make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed. 2. make sure 3rd-party unofficial repos are disabled. 3. use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends"
[05:36]  * sub[t]rnl agrees
[05:36] <Jucato> actually you can use apt if you really want to
[05:37] <Arenlor> they need to change the topic in here to support in #ubuntu since #ubuntu+1 is forwarding to it
[05:38] <Jucato> hm... was that --install recommends or --with-recomends... hm...
[05:38] <Jucato> hm..
[05:38] <sunilonln> Jucato: i'll just use adept in that case
[05:39] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[05:39] <sub[t]rnl> i thought you could just replace fiesty with gutsy, apt update, then upgrade
[05:39] <sub[t]rnl> badda boom badda bing
[05:39] <ardchoille> Jucato: searching in man apt-get for "recommends" returned "Pattern not found"
[05:39] <lee__> will compwiz run on kubutu?
[05:39] <Jucato> ardchoille: yeah it's not in man, but it's an option
[05:39] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[05:39] <lee__> not that i need wobles as i have enough grahpics lol
[05:40] <ardchoille> Love those undocumented options, lol
[05:40] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: oh yeah forgot that step. step 0
[05:40] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: not with gutsy.. there were some subtle changes
[05:40] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[05:41] <lee__> so did we get the real version this time?
[05:41] <sub[t]rnl> sudo sed -e 's/\sfeisty/ gutsy/g’ -i /etc/apt/sources.stli &sudo & apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:41] <sunilonln> adept is doing its stuff; hopefully it will work correctly
[05:41] <sub[t]rnl> tada
[05:42] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: that won't work actually
[05:42]  * sub[t]rnl sucks on teeth
[05:42] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: first of all it should be dist-upgrade
[05:42] <WaltzingAlong> sub[t]rnl: if you have enabled   proposed you have better chances with that (and dist-upgrade)
[05:43] <lee__> oops i am running office org
[05:43] <Jucato> sunilonln: just follow the step by step guide and you'll be fine
[05:43]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[05:43] <sunilonln> okay, thanks
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> never mind ol' sub, he just gets those wild hairs
[05:44]  * sub[t]rnl coughs
[05:44] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: for that matter kde4beta3 could find its way to the topic?
[05:44] <Jucato> grr!!
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[05:44] <WaltzingAlong> :d kubuntu.org has it
[05:44]  * Jucato grumbles
[05:45] <Jucato> anything else sirs?
[05:45] <WaltzingAlong> haha
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> haha
[05:45] <WaltzingAlong> bravissimo
[05:45] <WaltzingAlong> looks great
[05:45] <tharun> got dc'ed, asing again: can I export DigiKam albums/collections onto a CD which preserves all the tags etc. so that a windows machine can read it?
[05:46]  * Jucato grumbles... slave drivers... mumbles...
[05:47] <rockets> When I install the kdebase-workspace do i get a kde4 session or just some apps
[05:48] <Jucato> just some libs & apps, unless you follow the instructions on how to get a session
[05:48] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, looks like dev and apps
[05:49] <soulwarp> !vista
[05:49] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[05:49] <sub[t]rnl> pfhehe
[05:58] <rockets> Well, I installed kdebase-workspace and created a session, and it just crashes
[06:05] <jeezmos> silly question, but if I download/install 7.10 RC, will there be a simple upgrade process to upgrade that to 7.10 Full Release?
[06:05] <Jucato> jeezmos: yes
[06:07] <jeezmos> Jucato: thanks.  does kubuntu usually release soon after Ubuntu (obviously thinking about hte 7.10 release today/tomorrow)
[06:07] <HorD> hi, there are final release?
[06:07] <Jucato> jeezmos: same time
[06:08]  * Jucato points to the topic
[06:09] <HorD> or not yet?
[06:10] <sub[t]rnl> HorD: not yet
[06:10] <HorD> sub[t]rnl tomorrow?
[06:10] <Shaezsche> does kubuntu feature the power saving dynticks? or just ubuntu?
[06:11] <sub[t]rnl> HorD: yes, very soon
[06:11] <Jucato> HorD: Oct. 18. unknown time, unknown timezone
[06:11] <Shaezsche> Dynamic screen configuration? thats listed in hte ubuntu release page but not kubuntu...
[06:11] <Jucato> Shaezsche: if it's a kernel feature, then all *buntus have it
[06:11] <Shaezsche> ok what about the new randr Dynamic screen configuration
[06:12] <Jucato> BulletProof X unfortunately isn't
[06:12] <Shaezsche> what?
[06:12] <Shaezsche> are you talking to me?
[06:12] <HorD> ok... thanks you guys
[06:12] <Jucato> Shaezsche: yes
[06:12] <Shaezsche> what does bulletproof mean?
[06:12] <Shaezsche> is it in ubnutu and NOT kubuntu?
[06:13] <Jucato> dynamic screen recognition (I think)
[06:13] <jeezmos> I've always had trouble with debian-based systems when I use vi ... it seems like the keys are just oddly mapped.  For example, I press the End key, and vi will capitalize the letter the cursor is under.  Can you think of a reason this would happen?
[06:13] <Shaezsche> Jucato can you answer my question
[06:13] <Shaezsche> is it in kubuntu as well as buntu?
[06:13]  * sunilonln is 49% done downloading 1180 upgrades
[06:13] <sub[t]rnl> Shaezsche: Dynamic screen resolution is already supported in the gutsy betas, it will be in kubuntu
[06:13] <Shaezsche> thank you sub[t]rnl
[06:13] <Jucato> Shaezsche: I already did. I said no, it isn't in Kubuntu
[06:13] <Jucato> er.. wait
[06:13] <Shaezsche> ok, u two disagree?
[06:13] <Shaezsche> ...
[06:13] <sub[t]rnl> i thought xrandr was supported in the final for kubuntu
[06:13] <Shaezsche> Jucato your answer was not clear
[06:14] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: bullet proof X isn't the dynamic screen recognition thingy?
[06:14] <sub[t]rnl> could be wrong
[06:14] <sub[t]rnl> xrandr
[06:14] <Shaezsche> what is bullet proof x?
[06:14] <Jucato> ah if it's xrandr,I think it is in Kubuntu
[06:14]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[06:14] <dsmith__> bulletproof X looks nice
[06:14] <Jucato> failsafe mode
[06:14] <Jucato> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087492.0;topicseen
[06:14] <dsmith__> i was impressed
[06:15] <Shaezsche> is compiz fusion in kubuntu too?
[06:15] <sub[t]rnl> negative
[06:15] <Shaezsche> woa!? seriouslY? thats lame
[06:15] <sub[t]rnl> easily obtainable though
[06:15] <Jucato> not installed by default
[06:15] <Shaezsche> but its default in ubuntu
[06:15] <Shaezsche> so lame of kubuntu
[06:15] <Jucato> yeah blame it on kubuntu...
[06:15] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[06:16] <Shaezsche> well how do i get it?
[06:16] <kelsa|martalli> kubuntu is waiting for kde4, I guess
[06:16] <sub[t]rnl> yeah the compiz team has -nothing- to do with it
[06:16] <Jucato> the fact that compiz fusion doesn't work seamlessly w/ KDE as it does with GNOME is definitely kubuntu's fault
[06:16] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[06:16] <sub[t]rnl> lol jucato
[06:16] <Shaezsche> oh i didnt know that
[06:16] <kelsa|martalli> compiz was written for gnome
[06:16] <Jucato> but yeah, stil so lame of kubuntu
[06:16]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[06:16] <Shaezsche> i want to use gnome, but it doesnt allow me to adjust power schemes
[06:16] <Shaezsche> only thing keeping me on kubuntu
[06:16] <Shaezsche> the powersave while on battery mode
[06:16] <Shaezsche> ubuntu adjusts it automatically, feisty was always dymanic
[06:17] <kelsa|martalli> Shaezsche: I hate to dissuade you from kde, but surely it can be managed in gnome - just install the kde program that is helping you
[06:17] <kelsa|martalli> I use gftp in kde, without develping hives
[06:17]  * sub[t]rnl chuckles
[06:17] <Shaezsche> its a startup prog
[06:17] <Shaezsche> i dont want that
[06:17] <Shaezsche> all kinds of possible conflicts with power management
[06:17] <Shaezsche> dont want to deal with that
[06:18] <kelsa|martalli> What power management trickery does kubuntu have that ubuntu doesn't?
[06:18] <Shaezsche> you can set profiles
[06:18] <Shaezsche> powersave/dynamic
[06:18] <Shaezsche> last ubuntu didnt let u
[06:18] <Shaezsche> or it was broken or something
[06:18] <Shaezsche> plus you can't set default to conservative in either distro
[06:19] <Shaezsche> whtas up with that lameness?
[06:19] <Shaezsche> may as well use mandriva
[06:19] <kelsa|martalli> Mandriva's free, too
[06:19] <kelsa|martalli> I used to use it
[06:19] <Jucato> kelsa|martalli: power management trickery: kde-guidance
[06:20] <kelsa|martalli> Jucato: Thanks
[06:20] <Jucato> although I'm not sure if ubuntu is getting the same features now too, since there's a guidance-backends now..
[06:21] <kelsa|martalli> geez, you't think someone was pulling his fingernails to make him use kubuntu
[06:21] <Doctor_Nick> well
[06:21] <Doctor_Nick> it doesnt matter
[06:21] <Doctor_Nick> kde4 will have its own 3d window manager anyway
[06:21] <kelsa|martalli> better integrated, too, it looks like
[06:22] <kelsa|martalli> Can I turn the 3d down or turn it off for my weenie p-2 and p3 computers?
[06:22] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, kwin compositing runs really well
[06:22] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[06:23] <sub[t]rnl> yo
[06:23] <CPrgmSwR2> anyone using kde4-beta3?
[06:25] <sunilonln> CPrgmSwR2: no, but i'm going to try as soon as kubuntu finishes upgrading
[06:25] <CPrgmSwR2> Just wondered, because kde4addons won't install
[06:25] <sunilonln> hmm
[06:26] <sunilonln> kelsa|martalli: speaking of disuading people from kde, what exactly am i getting in kubuntu that i won't in gnome? (i switched from xubuntu primarily because it was unstable and i use amarok)
[06:27] <CPrgmSwR2> sunilonln: you will get amarok by default
[06:27] <kelsa|martalli> The KDE groups of apps are more coherent and generally very good software
[06:28] <CPrgmSwR2> sunilonln: not to mention kde4 is comming out soon which IMHO is light years ahead of gnome
[06:28] <Edenbeast> k3b
[06:28] <sunilonln> fair enough
[06:28] <kelsa|martalli> I used thunderbird for quite a while but recently switched to kontact, and these days it is an excellent, full featured outlook-style program
[06:28] <sunilonln> hmm, haven't tried kontact
[06:29] <CPrgmSwR2> its amazing have fast you can install stuff on kubuntu
[06:29] <dsmith__> kontact better then tbird?
[06:29] <sunilonln> anyways, i was asking because fedora+gnome is installed on some lab machines i use, and it looks really nice
[06:29] <kelsa|martalli> Back in my mandrake days (9.2), I shunned it for thunderbird.  However, since I have been using it over the last 6 months, I think its the best such program in linux
[06:29] <sunilonln> but i haven't tried it in a non-IT-maintained desktop environment
[06:29] <dsmith__> CPrgmSwR2: I am always amazed at that fact
[06:29] <Edenbeast> why are openoffice.org promoted over koffice in kubuntu, is the general consensus that it's plain better or for compatibility reasons?
[06:30] <sunilonln> Edenbeast: i was wondering that myself
[06:30] <CPrgmSwR2> openoffice.org has better support for the word document
[06:30] <kelsa|martalli> I prefer ooo over koffice myself (at least writer over kwrite.).  But krita is great
[06:30] <kelsa|martalli> I keep both in stalled
[06:30] <Jucato> not the correct answer though
[06:30] <dsmith__> kontact work with exchange?
[06:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> because koffice is just terrible.
[06:30] <kelsa|martalli> dsmith__: Don't know, I don't use exchange
[06:30] <CPrgmSwR2> Daisuke_Laptop: Except for krita
[06:31]  * dsmith__ thinks its doubtful
[06:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> CPrgmSwR2: i'll give you that
[06:31] <Jucato> At the time when OO.o was chosen, KOffice wasn't that good yet compared to OO.o, specially in the MS format departments
[06:31] <Jucato> but Kubuntu is moving towards KOffice 2
[06:31] <CPrgmSwR2> krita is the main app I love from koffice
[06:31] <Jucato> (at least that's the plan)
[06:31] <kelsa|martalli> Plus, honestly, OOo can be deployed in tons of environments (win/mac/other linux)
[06:31] <Jucato> kelsa|martalli: KOffice 2 will be too
[06:31] <ScottK> Jucato: It's still not (on format conversion).
[06:32] <kelsa|martalli> You won't find koffice even in a lot of linux distros (by default, anyway =(
[06:32] <dsmith__> Kontact: Support for Exchange is partly implemented in KDE Kontact. If you use it, please bear in mind that it is not supported.
[06:32] <Jucato> ScottK: yeah.. that... :(
[06:32] <CPrgmSwR2> package kde4addons is not able to be installed
[06:32] <ScottK> Jucato: That's essential for me.
[06:32] <Edenbeast> for exchange you'll probably have more luck with evolution
[06:32] <Jucato> ScottK: ditto... although RTF is a compromise..
[06:32] <kelsa|martalli> With the GPL, anything OOo can do, eventually KOffice should be able to do (and vice versa)
[06:32] <Jucato> well not really "essential"...
[06:32] <Jucato> kelsa|martalli: not really
[06:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> same.  i have to have the word compatibility or my profs will have my head.
[06:33] <kelsa|martalli> I had a devil of a time with evolution and multiple pop accounts
[06:33] <ScottK> Jucato: Except my customers all use MS Office, so compromise isn't particularly in the cards.
[06:33] <X-DeluXe> could anyone help me... why are my cd's mounted depending on their names? how could i change that every disc in the cd/dvd reader is mounted in the same directory?
[06:33] <Edenbeast> Daisuke-Ido, you should have their heads, they sort of work for you & your community, not vice versa :P
[06:33] <kelsa|martalli> no apparent way to specify one folder for each accounts.  I had to create rules which didn't seem to catch quite a bit of email
[06:33] <dsmith__> thunderbird works with hotmail, gmail and pop3
[06:33] <ubuntu> hi. i was wondering if anyone knows how to change the size of the hit zone for resizing windows in gnome/ubuntu
[06:34] <ubuntu> gnome/kde
[06:34] <dsmith__> thunderbird can handle multiple accounst
[06:34] <dsmith__> i never used evolution enough though
[06:34] <xevious> ubuntu: you can hold alt and right click near the corner of a window and drag
[06:34] <kelsa|martalli> dsmith__: Yes it can, although it likes to create a separate sent, junk, trash, etc folder for each aacount
[06:34] <dsmith__> yea, i know
[06:34] <dsmith__> but thats godd and bad
[06:35] <dsmith__> *good
[06:35] <X-DeluXe> ubuntu: it depends on the borders, set in the kde design settings
[06:35] <kelsa|martalli> kontact just has a separate folder for each inbox.  I am not sure now if I could have set it like tbirds default
[06:35] <X-DeluXe> could anyone help me... why are my cd's mounted depending on their names? how could i change that every disc in the cd/dvd reader is mounted in the same directory?
[06:35] <xevious> ubuntu, if you chop the window into quadrants, as long as you're closer to the corner you want to drag it'll start resizing from there
[06:36] <xevious> ubuntu: actually. in the middle it does either horizontal or vertical resizing
[06:36] <kelsa|martalli> kontact is more reminiscent of osx mail, but without multiple separate programs for calendar, addressbook, etc
[06:36] <ubuntu> thanks xevious. i was wondering if there was a more permanent solution, because i find this to be a usability issue
[06:36] <xevious> ubuntu: you could make the window borders bigger. lemme check on how that's done
[06:37] <X-DeluXe> ubuntu: it depends on the borders, set in the kde design settings
[06:37] <ubuntu> so there's no way to change the hitzone without modifying the border?
[06:37] <X-DeluXe> i dont think so
[06:38] <xevious> ubuntu: K Menu -> System Settings -> Appearance -> Window Decorations, Boder width:
[06:38] <ubuntu> yeah.
[06:38] <ubuntu> i found that one
[06:38] <ubuntu> but it looks very ugly
[06:38] <xevious> ubuntu: if you had the hit zone for resizing venture into the window, it could conflict with actually using that application
[06:40] <ubuntu> hmm true
[06:40] <ubuntu> anyways thanks for the help you guys
[06:40] <ubuntu> it's just been a pet peeve of mine for awhile
[06:40] <X-DeluXe> my cd's are mounted depending on their names (/media/name). how could i change that every disc in the cd/dvd reader is mounted in the same directory?
[06:40] <ubuntu> because it's very frustrating that my window lose focus to another window behind when im actually trying to resize the window
[06:41] <X-DeluXe> i have the same problem... maybe there is any trick
[06:41] <ubuntu> and what i've found with os x is that they have one fairly large resize corner on the bottom right, that's easy to pick up and resize
[06:41] <ubuntu> maybe there's a way we can make window resizing less traumatic than it currently is
[06:41] <ubuntu> :)
[06:42] <X-DeluXe> press alt + left mouse
[06:42] <X-DeluXe> oops right mouse
[06:43] <X-DeluXe> anywhere in the window
[06:44] <X-DeluXe> ubuntu: found it?
[06:45] <ubuntu> X-DeluXe: yes i foudn it
[06:46] <X-DeluXe> you could change the settings, but i dont know where its in the english version :(
[06:47] <X-DeluXe> somewhere in "mouse and keyboard actions -> window"
[06:50]  * X-DeluXe is still waiting for the new kubuntu :)
[06:51]  * dsmith__ has been waiting
[06:52]  * Jucato has been on it :)
[06:54] <boeroe> does anyone now how to install hplib
[06:56] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: for printing?
[06:56] <Leopard> is 7.10 delayed?
[06:57] <Leopard> i thought it was supposed to be done today :(
[06:57] <X-DeluXe> the day has just begun
[06:57] <sub[t]rnl> Leopard: it will be, just hafta be patient
[06:58] <Leopard> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ this site says 0 days and this site says 18 october: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[06:58] <Leopard> i am confused
[06:59] <Leopard> let me torrent it
[07:00] <Leopard> i will donate my bandwidth :0
[07:00] <Jucato> it's not yet officially released yet
[07:00] <X-DeluXe> u have 2 wait
[07:00] <Leopard> i am on ftth you know
[07:00] <Leopard> fiber-to-the-home
[07:01] <X-DeluXe> perfect, u mean time passes faster like this?
[07:01] <Leopard> 24 Mbit/s symmetrical line meaning up and download are both 24 Mbit/s
[07:02] <Leopard> so let me torrent :0
[07:02] <X-DeluXe> nobody has it, it's not released yet
[07:02] <Leopard> to spread the open source
[07:02] <sunilonln> adept says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[07:02] <sunilonln> and crashed when i clicked ok
[07:02] <sunilonln> should i open it up again?
[07:03] <Leopard> i want to break the upload record ;0
[07:03] <Leopard> i dont have data limits
[07:03] <Leopard> let me torrent it
[07:03] <Leopard> all the little bits can help
[07:03] <Leopard> i know my connection aint much but i want to help
[07:04] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: did u have some details, what would u do?
[07:04] <sunilonln> X-DeluXe: i couldn't see which package it stopped on since it crashed as soon as i clicked ok
[07:05] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: work with console
[07:05] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: sudo apt-get update
[07:05] <sunilonln> well, i was in the middle of upgrading to gutsy
[07:05] <Leopard> ok is there a linux distro with cartoons i can download and play with in the meantime while i wait for kubuntu gutsy 7.10 to be released?
[07:05] <sunilonln> so should i sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:05] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:05] <sunilonln> ok
[07:06] <Leopard> X-DeluXe
[07:06] <Leopard> sunilonln
[07:06] <Leopard> The release candidate is no longer available in order to allow the final release to be transferred to mirrors. Kubuntu 7.10 final will be released on October 18. Please check again tomorrow.
[07:06] <Leopard> :/
[07:07] <Leopard> nice promise :(
[07:07] <boeroe> subtrnl :yes
[07:07] <sunilonln> Leopard: i'm not sure that's why mine crashed
[07:07] <sunilonln> since it had finished downloading
[07:07] <Leopard> sub[t]rnl : where u from?
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: sudo apt-get install hplip
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> Leopard: missouri, usa
[07:08] <Leopard> oh misery i know that place nice :)
[07:08] <Leopard> missouri*
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> :}
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[07:08] <Leopard> ugh sorry
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> misery is right
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> now worries
[07:09] <liuchao> ?
[07:09] <Leopard> does kubuntu have tango icons sub[t]rnl?
[07:09] <liuchao> 天啊｀｀
[07:09] <liuchao> 谁使用中文的？
[07:09] <Leopard> liuchao : are you a chiwawa?
[07:09] <X-DeluXe> http://www.kde-look.org/
[07:09] <Leopard> :)
[07:09] <boeroe> oke will try:subtrnl
[07:10] <liuchao> chiwawa?? who is chiwawa?
[07:10] <sub[t]rnl> Leopard: never heard of tango icons outside of gnome
[07:10] <sub[t]rnl> havn't checked
[07:10] <Leopard> oh ok
[07:10] <X-DeluXe> a chiwawa is a kind of a dog...
[07:11] <liuchao> leopard:where are you from?
[07:11] <liuchao> leopard: where are you from?
[07:11] <sub[t]rnl> chiwawa is that really how its spelled?
[07:11] <Leopard> Netherlands
[07:11] <sub[t]rnl> looks funny
[07:11] <sunilonln> X-DeluXe: apt-get told me to run 'sudo apt-get -f install', and it looks to be installing the packages that adept didn't get to
[07:12] <liuchao> i'am from china```
[07:12] <boeroe> subtrnl: this is what i get
[07:12] <boeroe> Package hplip is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:12] <boeroe> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:12] <boeroe> is only available from another source
[07:12] <boeroe> E: Package hplip has no installation candidate
[07:12] <X-DeluXe> Leopard: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDEmod+Tango+Icons?content=63486
[07:12] <Leopard> i dunno i spell phonetically
[07:12] <Leopard> liuchao : i love chinese food
[07:12] <Leopard> :)
[07:13] <Leopard> i love that stuff they put in the food that makes it so addictive :)
[07:13] <liuchao> `` `OH`` thanks
[07:13] <Leopard> :) yw
[07:13] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: ok lets try?
[07:13] <sunilonln> yeah, hopefully my system won't be shot
[07:13] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: do a sudo apt-get update
[07:13] <sunilonln> i'm going to be afraid of rebooting for a while
[07:13] <boeroe> oke
[07:13] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: then sudo apt-get install hplip
[07:14] <liuchao> :) what you name?
[07:14] <liuchao> my name is Chao Liu!
[07:14] <Leopard> my friend is from china chingman-lee
[07:14] <Jucato> !cn | liuchao
[07:14] <ubotu> liuchao: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[07:14] <Leopard> i just call him ching
[07:14] <Jucato> this isn't a channel for social chit chat
[07:15] <boeroe> same error
[07:15] <liuchao> ching?
[07:15] <boeroe> what now
[07:15] <liuchao> what ching?
[07:15] <Leopard> Jucato : so please leave i am talking about connecting through open source with liuchao
[07:15] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: i dont really know what you tried before, but if u havent made too many errors before it coudnt be bad at all
[07:15] <Leopard> chingman lee my friend
[07:15] <sunilonln> X-DeluXe: i had just tried following the instructions with adept before
[07:15] <liuchao> OH``  i see``
[07:15] <sunilonln> i think it'll be fine
[07:15] <Jucato> Leopard: no. you're the one who should take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:15] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: instructions?
[07:16] <Leopard> Jucato : why you so mean :(
[07:16] <Leopard> now i feel bad
[07:16] <X-DeluXe> Leopard: u found the tango icon theme?