[17:02] <dscassel> bilal: You were in the Software Centre session?
[17:02] <bilal> dscassel: yu[
[17:02] <bilal> *yup
[17:03] <dscassel> I wanted to listen in, but decided to do the community round table instead...
[17:03] <dscassel> Did they talk at all about cutting down on the clutter? Like cool apps getting swamped by magazines?
[17:04]  * dscassel is going to join the app developer community session now.
[17:06] <bilal> dscassel: nope, no mention of clutter
[17:11] <dscassel> bilal: :/
[17:12] <dscassel> I'm kinda concerned the software centre doesn't make a good impression to Android or iPhone developers who are used to app stores there.
[17:13] <dscassel> It's hard to point ot it and go "look! you can sell stuff there!" when you look at it and all you see is magazines.
[17:14] <dscassel> In my exprience, there are plenty of developers running ubuntu.
[17:14] <dscassel> (mostly web developers, admittedly)
[17:15] <dscassel> ugh, wrong widnow.
[19:39] <bilal> dscassel: Late, but I get your point. Your point is good, you need to talk to mpt about it
[19:39] <bilal> mpt on IRC
[19:39] <bilal> he managed Unity design
[19:39] <bilal> err, he manages SC design
[23:42] <dscassel> Meeting in 15!
[23:42] <dscassel> (or thereabouts)
[23:55] <dscassel> Meeting in 5!
[23:57] <bregma> gah, UDS-loco conflict


[12:28] <N`importe_qui> elacheche: can you reach na3il ?
[12:33] <elacheche> N`importe_qui: I can try
[12:35] <N`importe_qui> elacheche: can you ask him if he is in his university ? i'm there if that's interests him
[12:36] <N`importe_qui> elacheche: but hurry up please.
[15:25] <damascene> elacheche, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_qQZ92onhU
[15:26] <damascene> Morse Code Music... The Rhythm of the Code -Alpha
[15:35] <elacheche> Awesome damascene x)
[15:36] <damascene> ☺
[20:06] <pavlushka> Hi, every1!!!
[20:06] <pavlushka> elacheche, O/
[20:09] <elacheche_anis> Hey there! Welcome to Tunisia :D
[20:09] <elacheche_anis> Wassup pavlushka
[20:09] <elacheche_anis> elacheche == elacheche_anis :)
[20:10] <pavlushka> I tabbed & it completed to elacheche
[20:10] <pavlushka> elacheche_anis, Sorry
[20:11] <pavlushka> elacheche_anis, going good.
[20:12] <elacheche_anis> :)
[20:20] <pavlushka> elacheche_anis, good night!!


[21:29] <bill> good evening people...
[21:34] <bill> anyone around??
[21:34] <slashtom> aye, what's up?
[21:37] <bill> nothing much now..
[21:37] <bill> just havn't been chatting in a while...
[21:38] <bill> whats going on in ubuntu land??
[21:38] <slashtom> plenty, it should be on a website somewhere
[21:39] <bill> i suppose ubuntu 11.11 is coming out soon..
[21:39] <czajkowski> 11.10
[21:39] <czajkowski> october 13th
[21:40] <bill> not too shabby...
[21:41] <bill> how are you anyway??
[21:41] <czajkowski> ntb
[21:41] <czajkowski> tipping away sure
[21:43] <bill> good good!!!
[21:44] <bill> do you know if the ubuntu ie meet and greet in limerick is still going on??


[00:03] <jedijf> hello
[00:04] <jedijf> h
[00:06] <jedijf> runbing late for meeting
[00:07] <jedijf> anyone here for meeting?
[00:07] <Sidewinder1> GeekyAdam, My kids both played WOW, unfortunately not on *nix boxes..
[00:10] <rmg51> I'm here meeting or no meeting ;-)
[00:10] <jedijf> we will start at8:30
[00:14] <rmg51> sounds like wishful thinking
[00:19] <jedijf> we can have at release party too
[00:21]  * mikedep333 wonders what the meeting is about
[00:24] <rmg51> you have to wait 6 min to find out :-D
[00:31] <jedijf> mikedep333: do you subscribe to the mailing list?
[00:32] <jedijf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1854387
[00:32] <jedijf> wanted to have an irc meeting about pa re-approval application
[00:32] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
[00:34] <jedijf> 'approved' LoCo teams get Official CDs and Extra resources encourage more participation therefore, Being able to administer their resources is paramount, making sure that the team has what they need to promote ubuntu locally .
[00:34] <mikedep333> jedijf, reading now
[00:34] <jedijf> mikedep333: i linked up the pertinent info
[00:35] <jedijf> would really like to get some activity outside of the philly region
[00:35] <mikedep333> yup
[00:35] <mikedep333> jedijf, sorry, I just moved back to the philly region!
[00:35] <jedijf> move back
[00:36] <mikedep333> I visit there often enough.
[00:36] <mikedep333> State College that is.
[00:36] <jedijf> where is there?
[00:36] <mikedep333> well, not that often
[00:36] <jedijf> ahh
[00:36] <jedijf> we'll have to take what we can get and build from there
[00:37] <jedijf> i reached out to CPLUG which is going through some leadership change, so hopefully that will spur something
[00:37] <mikedep333> jedijf, I'd love to help, but I'm very busy with work and personal matters as of late
[00:37] <jedijf> hahha
[00:37] <jedijf> yes
[00:37] <jedijf> np
[00:37] <mikedep333> I haven't even gone to a PLUG meeting since I got back here.
[00:38] <jedijf> maybe the release party for a few minutes
[00:41]  * mikedep333 noticed some last minute major additions by canonical to oneiric
[00:41] <mikedep333> like ubuntu-one-client-gnome 2.0
[00:41] <mikedep333> by additions I mean updates, but still
[00:45] <rmg51> let them get it all out of their systems before the release date
[00:45] <jedijf> the rc should've dropped today, i've been too busy to check
[00:50] <jedijf> ok meeting over
[00:51] <jedijf> rmg51: can you look thru the re-approval app and see if you can link up photos or blogs or anything to the recent events
[00:51] <jedijf> or any events that are missed
[00:52] <jedijf> we stink at photos and blogs since lyz left, but there still may be something
[00:56] <rmg51> I can never remember our events :-/
[01:06] <rmg51> is there a reason the Pa lan party isn't listed anywhere?
[01:07] <jedijf> the bevilaqua one?
[01:09] <rmg51> yep
[01:09] <rmg51> and none of our release parties are on the application
[01:12] <rmg51> for that matter you didn't list any events past 2007
[01:15] <rmg51> the application has nothing listed past Girls Inc
[01:17] <pleia2> so who is coming to the plug north meeting on tuesday? :)
[01:19] <GeekyAdam> I'm not playing WoW on linux.
[01:19] <GeekyAdam> However, Sidewinder isn't here, so, nevermind.
[01:19] <GeekyAdam> also, if it matters to anyone, I'm up in Erie, not Philly.
[01:19] <GeekyAdam> but im just one man
[01:19] <GeekyAdam> and by man i mean measly excuse for a 27 year old.
[01:25] <MobileTurkey> o/
[01:26]  * GeekyAdam waves at MobileTurkey.
[01:27] <MobileTurkey> hey
[01:29] <jedijf> rmg51: wrong one, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[01:29] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: dude the protest was totally cool
[01:29] <MobileTurkey> rather JonathanD ^
[01:30] <rmg51> http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111006_Protestors_arrive_at_City_Hall_for_Occupy_Philadelphia.html?cmpid=125219969
[01:31] <rmg51> jedijf: that one looks better
[01:31] <rmg51> I followed the link on the wiki
[01:31] <MobileTurkey> rmg51I am in the prohotos!
[01:31] <MobileTurkey> photos'
[01:31] <MobileTurkey> playing guitar
[01:31] <jedijf> hippiester
[01:31] <rmg51> MobileTurkey: you are mentioned in the article
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> really
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> holy shit
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> <not 20 had to say that or they wouldn't let me be reported)
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> the reporters are idiots
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> that was at 830
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> before anyone got there
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> they show up, leave and thats it
[01:32] <MobileTurkey> :|
[01:34] <MobileTurkey> still
[01:39] <rmg51> MobileTurkey: when did you grow the beard?
[01:39] <MobileTurkey> no what
[01:39] <MobileTurkey> thats not me
[01:39] <MobileTurkey> :|
[01:39] <MobileTurkey> there are a few guys with guitars
[01:40] <rmg51> http://www.philly.com/philly/gallery/Occupy_Philadelphia_protest.html
[01:40] <rmg51> I'm not finding the photos with you
[01:41] <MobileTurkey> photo six
[01:41] <MobileTurkey> with sign
[01:41] <MobileTurkey> video: protest music playing guiitar
[01:42] <rmg51> http://www.philly.com/philly/gallery/Occupy_Philadelphia_protest.html
[01:43] <MobileTurkey> http://cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/occupy-music-kurtz.jpg
[01:43] <MobileTurkey> rmg51: yes that, the gallery, photo six
[01:43] <rmg51> looking on philly.com
[01:44] <MobileTurkey> a few videos as well
[01:44] <rmg51> the links I posted take you to the start of the photos
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> yeah
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> I've seen them all
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> rmg51: i have been watching closely
[01:45] <jedijf> where's the new lappy
[01:45] <jedijf> that's what i want to see
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> in my bad
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> bag
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> charging my phome...
[01:45] <MobileTurkey> it was awesome to use
[01:46] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: was to busy playing music
[01:46] <rmg51> when you said "playing the guitar" I passed by the one of you just standing there
[01:51] <MobileTurkey> yeah  I don't think there are may of me playing guitar in photo on that sight
[01:51] <MobileTurkey> more photos to come
[01:51] <MobileTurkey> all the peoples photos
[01:51] <MobileTurkey> not the news
[02:02] <MobileTurkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cavalier92/6218261784/in/set-72157627833221226/
[02:03] <MobileTurkey> flicker is where its all at
[02:08] <GeekyAdam> so for that Philly Release Party, just curious, what kind of stuff do you do? everyone just sits down and installs 11.10 and chit-chats?
[02:10] <MobileTurkey> GeekyAdam: drunken raves
[02:11]  * MobileTurkey hides from pleia2
[02:15] <GeekyAdam> coolness
[02:16] <Sadin> pleia2 guess who i just met :O
[02:17] <Sadin> and i wish i could goto the release party but only with a learners permit i cant drive to philly and hang with a bunch of drinking ubuntu addicts :D
[02:18]  * GeekyAdam eyes up CrunchBang for the first time.
[02:19] <Sadin> ArchLinux if anything other then ubuntu or fedora imo
[02:20] <GeekyAdam> i feel like Arch is the most-opposite distro from Ubuntu. Ubuntu = user-friendly, easy to use...Arch=bare minimum, for linux experts
[02:29] <waltman> GeekyAdam: By the time most people reach the expert stage of Linux, they're tired of having to do everything by hand :)
[02:33] <pleia2> Sadin: who?
[02:34] <pleia2> waltman: +1
[02:35] <Sadin> pleia2 MarkDude :O
[02:35] <pleia2> Sadin: haha, oh, for certain values of "met" :)
[02:35] <pleia2> he's all over the place
[02:35] <Sadin> i joined the fedora design team
[02:36] <Sadin> and hes in our irc all the time
[02:36]  * pleia2 nods
[02:37] <Sadin> the ubuntu design team as much as i love ubuntu was very... un open and unresonsive to new comers
[02:37] <Sadin> lol
[02:37] <Sadin> WHICH REMINDS me i need to order another ubuntu lanyard for my buddy when i get my hoodie
[02:38] <pleia2> Sadin: sadly, they've actually *improved&
[02:38] <pleia2> you should have seen them before :)
[02:38] <Sadin> pleia2 so ive been told lol :P
[09:35] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:39] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:40] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:40] <rmg51> 0/
[10:23] <InHisName> Morning some more
[10:23] <JonathanD> Still more morning.
[10:24] <InHisName> but only for 7 more minutes
[10:24] <InHisName> THEN it will get NOISY
[10:25] <InHisName> The still-ness will be broken by a 6 & 8 y/o waking up.
[10:30] <JonathanD> Mine are up.
[10:30] <rmg51> Teddy went back to sleep :-D
[10:31] <rmg51> all is quite here
[10:31] <InHisName> Too quiet here too, gonna have to go make some noise to wake them up soon.
[10:53] <InHisName> Seems they are taking up new habit of trying to sleep in more.
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:31] <InHisName> kids off to school now, all VERY quiet again.
[12:41] <jedijf> sadin, give up on the webiste redesign and jump to fedora.......
[12:42] <jedijf> *website
[12:45] <InHisName> what does a website redesign have to do with jumping to fedora ?
[13:28] <knightzero> Morning all!
[13:29] <InHisName> howdy, knightzero


[01:18]  * ogra has massive probs trying to build amitk's linux-lpia package, wasnt the bi check dropped in intrepid ?
[01:20] <ogra> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18547672/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.linux-lpia_2.6.27-4.6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz shows that it fails in abi-check-lpia even though i added appropriate ignore files
[01:27]  * ogra gives up and hopes someone else will then build a -4 kernel for lpia
[02:14] <maestrolinux> Hola
[02:15] <maestrolinux> alguien sabe donde descargar el 2.6.27 x64 deb
[02:28] <rafal> hi
[02:28] <rafal> are there some test versions for 2.6.27 yet?  im on 8.04 adm64
[03:08] <persia> limcore, Test versions for 2.6.27 exist only in 8.10.  8.04 is exceedingly unlikely to receive them.
[03:10] <limcore> can I somehow test 8,10's kernel and perhaps drivers, while remaining (other software) at 8.04?
[03:19] <CMD_L1N3> hello
[03:19] <CMD_L1N3> my question is about kernel devel but about the kernel i think
[03:19] <CMD_L1N3> i just updated my kernel and now my printer doesn't work
[07:39] <NCommander> I have some questions on how the ubuntu git tree rebases new releases into the tree
[07:39]  * NCommander is attemtping to figure out how to rebase the linux-ports tree
[07:40] <NCommander> The log on some of the tags suggests its merged and not rebased on a new release, but I'm not sure if thats right or not
[10:32] <mdz> can anyone tell me what this means?
[10:32] <mdz> ACPI: EC: missing confirmations, switch off interrupt mode.
[10:32] <mdz> ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609]
[10:32] <mdz> kernel problem or BIOS problem?
[11:02] <apw> mdz, they don't exactly have a lot of helpful comments in there do they
[11:03] <NCommander> Anyone here a kernel git wizard?
[11:03]  * NCommander is trying to figure out how to rebase the git repo without it exploding in my face
[11:04] <apw> which repo you looking at
[11:06] <NCommander> linux-ports
[11:06]  * NCommander kicks xchat
[11:06] <NCommander> I'm trying to rebase from 2.5.24 which is the basis of that repo against linus 2.6.27 tree
[11:07] <NCommander> But I don't think I"m doing it right since I either seem to pull old patches into the tree, or it stops every patch with a conflicts
[11:07] <apw> thats a big jump
[11:07] <apw> can you paste the url you cloned the original from
[11:07] <apw> then i can try it and see what it does to me
[11:08] <NCommander> Yeah
[11:08] <NCommander> But the ports tree has relatively few Ubuntu specific patches
[11:09] <NCommander> apw, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid-ports.git;a=summary
[11:09] <NCommander> (thats the ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid-ports.git branch)
[11:09] <NCommander> Personally, my gut instinct is to merge, but thats a bad idea since the Ubuntu patches will get pushed into the history instead of sitting ontop
[11:10] <apw> my gut concurs
[11:10]  * NCommander notes he has a dislike for git
[11:11] <NCommander> Damn tool nearly as painful to use as CVS when it comes to preventing yourself from shooting yourself in the foot
[11:11] <NCommander> and it used to be close to arch in terms of user friendlyness :-P
[11:13] <apw> they do appear to be merging the stable branch in there
[11:14] <NCommander> The ports repo has seen no love this release
[11:15] <NCommander> Myself and TheMuso are working to make at least powerpc ports not suck
[11:20] <apw> my rebase stops on the first patch with what appears to be a trivial merge which i would have expected git to detect and merge
[11:21] <NCommander> yeah
[11:21] <NCommander> Same problem
[11:21] <NCommander> It looks like they did SOMETHING to break the repos history
[11:21] <NCommander> But of which I'm am unsure
[11:22] <NCommander> I'm tempted just to take the debian folder, and start with a fresh 2.6.27 tree
[11:24] <NCommander> hey BenC
[11:25] <NCommander> BenC, I was wondering if you can help solve a rebasing mystery with linux-ports (and help create a kernel.u.c account)
[11:47] <apw> NCommander: went through the whole rebase, can't say i was very careful but the main pain is near t
[11:47] <apw> the beginning, most of the merges seemed pretty and most of the last bunch of patches rebased ok
[14:59] <zul> rtg: the patch is attached to the email I sent to the kernel team mailing list
[15:00] <rtg> zul: i saw that, but I'm lazy and git pulls take 2 commands.
[15:00] <zul> rtg: im lazy too and I dont have the git tree setup for intrepid
[15:01] <rtg> zul: so what is this: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=chucks/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=73d6bbb5e0dcdb902c37ef2bc2925de600dd0172
[15:01] <zul> old junk git tree
[15:03] <D2_WON> Hi guys, i have a problem... i have installed Kernel-<IP_ADDRESS>-rt on Ubuntu Hardy by linux-rt package. After a while time, the system crashes and generate I/O Error, and i can not run any process. Sorry for my bad English.
[15:07] <abogani> D2_WON: Can you report exactly the I/O Error?
[16:02] <abogani> persia, rtg : I just uploaded a synced version of the rt patchset on my PPA (against 2.6.27 7.11) together to lrm-rt package. Moreover I have tested rt kernel with DKMS packages (in my case with nvidia video driver) and it works.
[16:42] <elmargol> Is there a new feature in intrepid to change the clock speed of my nvidia GPU? or memory?
[17:39] <rtg> BenC: so what is the new firmware package? my i3945 isn't working too well after an update a few minutes ago.
[18:12] <BenC> rtg: linux-firmware, but it isn't up yet
[18:13] <rtg> BenC: its breaking my rice bowl. no firmware, no wireless.
[18:41] <rtg> BenC: I sure like this USB stick as an install medium. cuts it down to about 8 minutes.
[18:43] <BenC> I need to set mine back up
[18:44] <BenC> I wonder when the next publisher run is...linux-firmware is still pending
[18:44] <BenC> rtg: do you want me to just send you the firmware file?
[18:44] <rtg> BenC: I've been using Evan's usb-creator package.
[18:45] <rtg> BenC: I'm just reinstalling. I had a version that worked, so I'll just avoid updating. the i3945 issue is related to kernel and not much else.
[18:45] <BenC> rtg: zinc:~bcollins/ if you need it
[18:45] <rtg> BenC: 'tanks
[18:57] <ScottK> What source package provides linux-firmware?  My test server (running the server kernel) can't seem to find it and so is a bit stuck at the moment.
[18:58] <rtg> ScottK: wait until the archive catches up. its in a bit of flux right now.
[18:58] <ScottK> OK.
[19:47] <chrisf_> has beenc been around?
[19:47] <chrisf_> benc
[19:53] <chrisf_> hey ben :)
[19:53] <ogra> speaking of the devil :)
[19:53] <chrisf_> i know him
[19:53] <chrisf_> its been quite awhile since i spoke to him tho
[19:53] <ogra> so my sentence is even more true :)
[19:53] <chrisf_> yeah!
[19:53] <ogra> (he hides his little horns under a basecap since i know him ;) )
[19:54] <chrisf_> heheheh
[19:54] <chrisf_> right now i am thinking of fooling around with the kernel as usual :)
[19:54] <chrisf_> fix this nvidia bug once and for all
[19:54] <chrisf_> its driving me crazy
[19:55] <ogra> just get better HW :)
[19:55]  * ogra is all intel on his laptop
[19:55] <chrisf_> hehehehe
[19:55] <chrisf_> i wish :P
[19:56] <chrisf_> if i had the cash, i would buy all amd
[19:56] <chrisf_> and use a company that supports linux
[19:56] <ogra> heh
[19:57] <chrisf_> timecop on that other network i chat on, will be mad that i ditched windows
[19:57] <chrisf_> but vista sucks
[19:57] <chrisf_> this is much nicer
[19:58] <ogra> yeah
[19:59] <laga_> timecop? i think that rings  a bell
[19:59] <chrisf_> yeah ben and i know him
[19:59] <chrisf_> he is on efnet
[19:59] <laga_> the GNAA guy?
[19:59] <chrisf_> i hardly ever go on efnet anymore
[19:59] <chrisf_> yeah
[19:59] <laga_> oh god ;)
[20:00] <chrisf_> i dont op on his channel lwz anymore
[20:00] <chrisf_> i dont know if its apropriate to use teh full channel name here on freenode
[20:00] <chrisf_> dont know the aup
[20:01] <chrisf_> the network i chat on now, does not like people to mention anything about p2p and other grey area things..
[20:01] <chrisf_> laga_: did you talk on lwz on efnet before?
[20:02] <laga_> no.
[20:02] <chrisf_> i used to op there many moons agao
[20:02] <chrisf_> before timecop was in GNAA
[20:04] <chrisf_> laga: i quit going there because my interests are not in computers as much anymore
[20:18] <mdz> rtg: I tried unloading and reloading iwl3945 and its dependencies a few hundred times on davidm's machine, and can't get it to crash
[20:19] <rtg> mdz: BenC and I are speculating its an interrupt problem. He pointed out a bug report that says something else: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1778#c15
[20:20] <BenC> mdz: It seems to be a race with other modules loading in parallel
[20:20] <BenC> guessing on the same IRQ (not much reason for a race otherwise)
[20:22] <rtg> mdz: can you 'cat /proc/interrupts' on Davids machine?
[20:22] <BenC> chrisf_: if you want to go all opensource, buy intel :)
[20:22] <chrisf_> yeah :)
[20:22] <chrisf_> ben: i guess iam behind the times LOL
[20:22] <chrisf_> BenC: Long time no see! :)
[20:24] <mdz> rtg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58006/
[20:24] <mdz> 217:      99246          0   PCI-MSI-edge      iwl3945
[20:25] <rtg> mdz: ah, try booting with nomsi (after removing the /etc/modprobe.d load delay)
[20:26] <BenC> hmm...MSI
[20:26] <rtg> mdz: rather, thats 'pci=nomsi'
[20:27] <BenC> we had to disable MSI by default on a previous release, but I think it was affecting e1000
[20:27] <BenC> chrisf_: yeah, been awhile
[20:27] <rtg> yeah, but the 3945 is about the same vintage
[20:29] <chrisf_> ben: congratulations in being a part of the ubuntu team :)
[20:29] <BenC> rtg: oooh...someone on the original bug report did mention that disabling iwl3945(rfkill) and using e1000 resulted in a hang as well
[20:30] <BenC> chrisf_: Thanks, been here more than 3 years now :)
[20:30] <chrisf_> ben: now i have two things i want to play with ubuntu muhahha installing WoW and getting nvidia's piece of trash top run on this
[20:31] <chrisf_> i am already having WoW withdrawals
[20:31] <mdz> davidm: ^^
[20:31] <BenC> chrisf_: install Ubuntu, and you should get nvidia enabled without much problem
[20:31] <chrisf_> yeah i have ibex on here now
[20:32] <chrisf_> and nvidia is being a little *** to me
[20:32] <rtg> chrisf_: nvidia-glx-177 ?
[20:32] <BenC> chrisf_: System => Administration => Hardware Drivers
[20:32] <chrisf_> naww card is too old
[20:32] <chrisf_> nvidia-glx-96
[20:32] <BenC> chrisf_: that panel will tell you exactly which one you need, and install it for you
[20:33] <mdz> rtg: I've spoken to davidm, and have him trying two things
[20:33] <chrisf_> yeah it wont install or compile the module
[20:34] <BenC> chrisf_: what's the compile log say?
[20:34] <rtg> mdz: make sure he's remove the modprobe load delay.
[20:34] <mdz> rtg: 1. reproducing the failure with an instrumented modprobe, so that we can try to see which modules are being loaded in which order at the point when it hangs
[20:34] <mdz> rtg: 2. pci=nomsi
[20:34] <mdz> rtg: I already did
[20:34] <rtg> mdz: cool
[20:34] <BenC> mdz: that's likely to be enough to offset the race to not happen
[20:34] <mdz> BenC: I told him how to back it out in case it doesn't trigger anymore
[20:37] <chrisf_> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.27-7-generic (i686)
[20:37] <chrisf_> Consult the make.log in the build directory
[20:37] <chrisf_> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/96.43.05/build/ for more information.
[20:37] <chrisf_> Installing initial module
[20:37] <chrisf_> Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko for module nvidia in the DKMS tree.
[20:37] <chrisf_> You must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.27-7-generic (i686) first.
[20:38] <chrisf_> Done.
[20:38] <tseliot1> chrisf_: see this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/251107
[20:38] <tseliot1> it doesn't depend on us
[20:39] <chrisf_> yeah nvidia
[20:39] <chrisf_> hasnt fixed there stuff
[20:47] <mdz> BenC,rtg: he's just hung it with pci=nomsi
[20:47] <rtg> drat
[20:47] <chrisf_> ben: hehe i am no longer in florida
[20:47] <chrisf_> this place is for the birds
[20:48] <chrisf_> i hate the cold weather!
[20:51] <mdz> rtg,BenC: is there any way to get the kernel to log a message whenever a module is loaded? that would be handy here
[20:53] <rtg> mdz: I'm not seeing anything.
[20:58] <mdz> rtg,BenC: I've just noticed that david has a modified boot process which is loading modules in parallel with the rest of the boot process
[20:58] <rtg> mdz: how is his different then Jane's ?
[20:59] <mdz> rtg: I don't have access to Jane's system at the moment, but I highly doubt she would have that change
[20:59] <mdz> it might be a useful way to try to trigger the problem though, dunno
[20:59] <rtg> mdz: I'm sure her's is stock.
[21:01] <mdz> rtg: you can try it by commenting out the logic which calls udevsettle in /etc/init.d/udev
[21:03] <mdz> rtg,BenC: do we have any strong indications that either silbs or davidm's problem is actually related to 3945?
[21:03] <BenC> mdz: yes
[21:04] <BenC> mdz: sleeping 5 seconds before loading 3945 solves it
[21:04] <mdz> BenC: given that it's a race, that workaround you provided could easily throw things out of whack and cause it to not trigger
[21:04] <mdz> even if the problem isn't in 3945
[21:04] <BenC> mdz: the bug report has 10 dupes and lots of subs that all have found it to be iwl3945 (blacklisting other modules doesn't help)
[21:05] <BenC> 3945 is the common factor
[21:05] <mdz> BenC: the description says that -1 worked while -2 didn't.  has anyone bisected?
[21:05] <mdz> or reviewed the diff?
[21:06] <chrisf_> hmm aptitude is pretty nice
[21:06] <BenC> I haven't
[21:06] <BenC> but then, I can't reproduce it either
[21:07] <chrisf_> ben: from what i am reading, nvidia really doesnt want to support legacy users
[21:08] <BenC> mdz, rtg: Got to get a kid off the bus and fix dinner...
[21:13] <mdz> iwl3945 didn't change at all between -1.2 and -2.3
[21:13] <rtg> mdz: as far as I can tell, it's had no love in awhile.
[21:14] <chrisf_> well i gotta reboot, as i was speaking they updated the nvidia packages
[21:14] <chrisf_> reboot
[21:15] <rtg> mdz: 32 bit kernel?
[21:21] <davidm> rtg, in conversation with mdz I just realized that while I have the Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG hardware I am not really using it as my machine is hooked via Ethernet
[21:21] <rtg> davidm: its still loading, and that is when you are getting hung up.
[21:22] <rtg> davidm: that's a 32 bit kernel, right?
[21:22] <davidm> yes
[21:22] <davidm> 32 bit machine
[21:22] <rtg> davidm: maybe thats why I can't repro. I'm resinstalling with i386
[21:23] <davidm> my Ethernet controller is Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[21:24] <rtg> davidm: e1000e ?
[21:25] <davidm> Yes
[21:26] <davidm> This 'pci=nomsi' did not effect the bug, still happened.
[21:26] <rtg> davidm: yep, heard that.
[21:26] <davidm> rtg, OK, just making sure :-)
[21:41] <rtg> davidm: drat, I'm 10 for 10 on a 32 bit kernel. no hangs. I'm gonna blast off for awhile.back in a couple hours.
[21:50] <mdz> davidm: please put that info into the bug as well, bug 263059 seems closest
[22:01] <NCommander> hold BenC
[22:01] <NCommander> *hola
[22:36] <mdz> BenC,rtg: davidm just managed to reproduce without usplash, on a text console
[22:39] <mdz> BenC,rtg: seems like a hard hang, no sysrq possible
[22:40] <NCommander> BenC, I sent you an email requesting a kernel.u.c account so I can work on the linux-ports tree for PowerPC.
[22:40] <mdz> I'm having him attach a photo to the bug
[22:50] <mdz> rtg: he has it reproducing on the console more often than not.  maybe we should try instrumenting the driver to see where it's breaking?
[22:51] <davidm> hellp
[22:51] <davidm> hello
[22:51] <davidm> that is
[22:51] <davidm> rtg, my laptop is now doing 3+ out of 5 locking at boot with usplash not in boot so you can see much better what is going on.
[22:52] <davidm> rtg, do you or pete want my laptop for testing?  I can fedex out tonight
[22:59] <davidm> rtg, pgraner either of you about?
[23:00] <ARCKEDA> Lovely.
[23:00] <mdz> davidm: tried phoning pgraner?
[23:00] <davidm> I did no answer home or cell
[23:00] <davidm> I'm about to call Tim
[23:11] <mdz> davidm: random theory: could you try temporarily disabling the hwclock init script, which runs directly after S10udev, and see if that affects it?
[23:14] <davidm> Will do
[23:16] <davidm> about to reboot.
[23:30] <davidm> OK that was fun, mdz no real change, first two boots good, next 4 NG then a good one and I'm here reporting.
[23:30] <mdz> davidm: thanks for checking
[23:30] <mdz> davidm: since you've had a few more boots, can you comment on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263059/comments/95 ?
[23:30] <davidm> NP, for sure it's more broken then not at this point.
[23:31] <davidm> Will do
[23:31] <mdz> davidm: if we can confirm that, it should narrow the field a lot, and perhaps rtg can chase it down
[23:32] <davidm> It stops in differnt places, sometimes at the channels line, sometimes past that into another driver
[23:33] <mdz> davidm: I know, but I'm only interested in the lines coming from 3945 and 80211
[23:33] <mdz> davidm: the normal sequence is:
[23:33] <mdz> [   17.379861] iwl3945: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG
[23:33] <mdz> [   17.523620] iwl3945: Tunable channels: 11 802.11bg, 13 802.11a channels
[23:33] <mdz> [   17.524272] phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs'
[23:33] <mdz> but I have never seen it get as far as that third line when it hangs
[23:34] <davidm> OK, I'll go punch the reboot button a bunch more and pay close attention to the lockup points.
[23:34] <davidm> back in a bit.
[23:34] <davidm> I have my shipping box by the by so I can send this unit out.
[23:56] <davidm> OK, documented a series of hangs one after the other.


[10:58] <huats> hey everyone
[11:44] <bittin_> hello
[14:37] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i actually don't recall what the final verdict was on that
[14:37] <bratsche> Hey kenvan, how was your holiday?
[14:37] <kenvandine> hey, pretty good... and your's bratsche?
[14:38] <kenvandine> i've been driving 2 hours back and forth to the hospital :/
[14:38] <bratsche> kenvandine: Oh man, I'm sorry.  That sucks. :/
[14:39] <kenvandine> yeah.. good news is she is still alive :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> and stable, we just have to hope she can make it until the 6th when they can operate
[14:40] <kenvandine> but we made she we focused on the kids for christmas, and not her... that is how she would want it
[14:40] <kenvandine> so xmas was great with the kids :)
[14:40] <bratsche> Nice.
[14:40] <kenvandine> bratsche, have you been able to work on the gtk problems?
[14:40] <kenvandine> or other bugs introduced by rgba on by default :)
[14:41] <bratsche> No, I was focusing on other stuff but I'm going to switch back to rgba stuff now.
[14:41] <kenvandine> ok
[14:41] <kenvandine> good
[14:41] <bratsche> The rgba code won't make it into 2.20 though.
[14:41] <kenvandine> :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> :(
[14:41] <kenvandine> bummer
[14:41] <kenvandine> client side decorations?
[14:42] <bratsche> Because that comes out in like a few days, and we're still blocking on window manager hint spec stuff.
[14:43] <bratsche> c-s-d still has some other bugs in it, so that won't be in 2.20.
[14:43] <kenvandine> ok
[14:43] <kenvandine> so are we planning to distro patch it then?
[14:44] <bratsche> I'd like to distro patch the rgba stuff at least.  I want to get the WM hint spec passed and get upstream approval for it, then distro patch it.
[14:44] <bratsche> Honestly, the c-s-d is the less important thing to get and it's also the bigger change and the more intrusive change.
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: would there be an appropriate place for a discussion on what should happen after exiting your preferred IM client?
[14:52] <kenvandine> probably on that old bug
[14:52] <kenvandine> or the ayatana mailing liust
[14:52] <kenvandine> list
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> ok
[14:57] <kenvandine> thx
[15:38] <real_ate> hi everyone... I'm working on an application that will be using the new implementation of the Ubuntu Application Indicators but i've run into some problems
[15:38] <real_ate> if i copy the python code found on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[15:39] <real_ate> i get an error ** (test.py:22994): WARNING **: Unable to create Ayatana Watcher proxy!  Could not get owner of name 'org.ayatana.indicator.application': no such name
[15:39] <real_ate> and nothing happens
[15:55] <kenvandine> real_ate, i am not an expert
[15:56] <kenvandine> real_ate, but i think that means you either don't have all the necessary deps installed or it isn't running
[15:58] <real_ate> kenvandine: hmm... well I'm pretty certain that I have all the right deps because I've added the ppa that the page tells you to add
[15:59] <kenvandine> do you have libappindicator0 installed?
[15:59] <kenvandine> and have you restarted your session?
[15:59] <real_ate> i haven't restarted my session
[15:59] <kenvandine> ah... you need to
[15:59] <real_ate> thats probably it ;) brb
[15:59] <kenvandine> :)
[15:59] <kenvandine> it starts some services are needed
[16:02] <real_ate> kenvandine: thanks ;) its beautiful!
[16:02] <kenvandine> great
[16:02] <kenvandine> what are you working on?
[16:03] <real_ate> just one of my little crazy ideas ;) have you ever used apt-chacher ?
[16:03] <kenvandine> nope
[16:04] <real_ate> simple idea... its like an apt proxy that you put on your local network that caches any packages that you download
[16:04] <kenvandine> ah
[16:04] <kenvandine> ok
[16:04] <kenvandine> and there is a gtk ui?
[16:04] <real_ate> nope, not yet ;)
[16:06] <real_ate> i want to turn the script at the bottom of this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server#Use%20as%20a%20proxy%20to%20APT into a little system tray applet
[16:07] <real_ate> simple enough idea but will make a huge difference for people who are afraid of the command line ;)


[16:20] <mup> Issue operator#627 opened: [pebble] Restart at on_config_change fails because of missing service <Created by phvalguima> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/627>


[10:58] <thnov>  can one change a bug on launchpad to be mapped against trusty? bug #1298287
[10:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298287 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Windows and icons stays on secondary display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298287