[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <popey> Good morning all!
[07:54] <popey> Good weekend everyone? Well rested after UOS? :)
[07:56] <dholbach> hey popey
[07:57] <dholbach> good good, the weather was quite nice this WE over here - how was yours?
[07:59] <popey> On balance, good! :)
[07:59] <popey> kids were ill, so I had some time to play with apps I have wanted to make for a while
[08:00] <popey> then had my mum over on Sunday and made a giant lasagne which I have left-overs for today's lunch  \o/
[08:02] <popey> Looks like it could be a sunny day today.
[08:02] <dholbach> nice! :)
[08:03] <popey> need to file a bug against the Today scope, it says it's cloudy :)
[08:03] <dholbach> haha
[08:03] <dholbach> is the today scope in the app store already?
[08:04] <popey> no, because there's a bug in unity which it uncovered
[08:04] <popey> once the latest OTA update goes out we can in theory release it in the store
[08:04] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[08:04] <dholbach> great :-)
[08:08]  * dholbach goes and does some shopping, brb
[08:09] <popey> o/
[08:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:53] <popey> hey czajkowski - hows tricks?
[09:08] <dpm> morning all
[09:08] <dpm> popey, you can file bugs against the Today scope here now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope
[09:08] <popey> I know :)
[09:08] <popey> (it was a joke) :D
[09:08] <popey> (filing bugs against the weather)
[09:11] <dpm> popey, argh, yeah, I guess I stopped reading at "need to file a bug against the Today scope..."
[09:11] <popey> :)
[09:15] <czajkowski> popey: not bad good weekend of wiring all around
[09:15] <czajkowski> looking forward to Wednesday
[09:24] <davidcalle> popey, I'm listing Unity7 scopes and it just makes me sad : so many underexploited (and badly exploited) opportunities to have cool features :( I feel like the priority is not fixing the Unity7 dash, but avoiding Unity8 to reach this point. We need an online tool to check scopes daily : are they working, is their content ok, are they relevant in the Dash workflow, are they useful. Something that would run n queries on all scopes every n ho
[09:24] <davidcalle> urs and make a report.
[09:25] <popey> well, there should be automated testing already, right? :)
[09:25] <davidcalle> popey, yes, but it only checks mock sources, not actual content.
[09:26] <popey> ahh
[09:27] <popey> Seems it wouldn't be hard to regularly search for common things like the names of pre-installed apps (update, firefox, libre) and parts of them (upd, fire, lib) and then just render out the json to a web page and save as a png
[09:27] <popey> could store those date/time stamped somewhere and browse easily
[09:27] <popey> problem gets harder / more time consuming / more resources if you also search for those words in every language
[09:28] <popey> could get the words from the .desktop files from every installed app
[09:28] <popey> so it's certainly possible to automate
[09:31] <popey> davidcalle: which package has the moresuggestions code in it?
[09:31] <davidcalle> popey, indeed, and I wish it was part of the dash server design. But, that could be a community team project, we could integrate that in the scope testing story.
[09:33] <popey> unity-scopes-master-default it seems?
[09:34] <davidcalle> popey, depends what you are looking for : scopes themselves are in their separate packages + server
[09:34] <popey> what generates the productsearch urls on my end?
[09:36] <davidcalle> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/unity-scope-home
[09:36] <popey> ta
[09:37] <czajkowski> c
[09:38] <davidcalle> popey, two links that might interest you, list of remote scopes for u7 & 8 : https://dash.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v1/remote-scopes ,  https://dash.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v2/remote-scopes
[09:39] <popey> thanks
[09:46] <davidcalle> popey, also, this old thing may or may not be relevant to a scopes discussion (note that it hasn't been updated in a long time) http://framli.eu/scopes_browser/index.html?scope=unity-scope-github
[09:46] <popey> I think we should wait for whatever conversation d pm has. :)
[09:47]  * davidcalle realizes it was actually pretty cool :o)
[09:47] <popey> I mean, we can recommend ways to improve, but I want to know what the future holds for unity7 based scopes first
[10:32] <popey> dpm: I need to get Sam from School when our Community Team meeting is on at 16:00 my time. My usual pick up person is away. Is it possible to move it one hour later?
[10:38] <dpm> popey, that doesn't quite work for me today, sorry. We've got our 1:1 earlier, so we can talk there.
[10:39] <popey> ok
[10:44] <jcastro> popey, I have decided to bother you every day until the MX4 ships
[10:44] <popey> awesome.
[10:44]  * popey waves his mx4 at the screen
[10:44] <jcastro> harsh
[10:47]  * popey watches some Taylor Swift videos on MX4 just to annoy jcastro http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-05-11-114648.png
[10:47] <jcastro> hey so did someone figure out what to use the button for?
[10:47] <popey> home
[10:50] <jcastro> I can't believe there's an ubuntu powered fridge already
[10:56] <popey> wat!?
[10:56] <popey> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/05/11/iot-canonical-and-ges-firstbuild-collaborate-on-smart-refrigerator/
[10:56] <popey> haha!
[10:56] <dholbach> they should've posted it on the fridge!
[10:57] <popey> yeah!
[10:57] <popey> :)
[10:57] <jcastro> it gives me solace that when humans get exterminated from this planet, it will be via an ubuntu-based drone
[10:58] <popey> who will be there to run a btrfs balance on it though!
[11:00] <jcastro> I just finished backing up this weekend
[11:00] <jcastro> I am debating going from raid10 to btrfs jbod
[11:01] <jcastro> I have so many disks laying around I think I am going to skip the raid and just do jbod to jbod backups
[13:03] <mhall119> popey: just reading the thing about a fridge
[13:03] <mhall119> dpm: can I expense a refrigerator?
[13:03] <dpm> mhall119, only Ubuntu-powered toasters, sorry
[13:04] <mhall119> how about slow cookers?
[13:04] <mhall119> for, you know, work stuff....
[13:05]  * mhall119 wonders what would happen if I request the option to move the doors to the other side
[13:05] <popey> The world doesn't need Ubuntu Powered Toasters. There, I said it.
[13:06] <jcastro> An Ubuntu powered keg-a-rator tho .....
[13:06] <popey> Just tell everyone to save the money they were going to spend on electronics and buy a nice British Toaster http://www.dualit.com/products/toasters-kettles
[13:07] <jcastro> those brass accents look real nice
[13:08] <popey> Ya. Best toaster in the world [FACT]
[13:10] <nigelb> popey: upto 6 slots. damn.
[13:10] <nigelb> You guys are serious about toasts.
[13:10] <mhall119> but they're all small slots
[13:11] <mhall119> I want *big* toast
[13:11] <jcastro> yeah, if you're real serious just get a toaster oven
[13:11] <jcastro> which is also more versatile
[13:11] <nigelb> and you bake a steak and kidney pudding?
[13:12] <nigelb> It took me a lot of time to realize that "Let's have tea" to a British person is not what you think it is.
[13:15] <czajkowski> LOL
[13:21] <popey> OMG! They do a Marmite branded one http://www.dualit.com/products/marmite-toaster
[13:23] <czajkowski> dpm: dholbach popey CFP closes today for OSCON EU
[13:23] <czajkowski> marmite--
[13:23] <czajkowski> bah
[13:24] <nigelb> czajkowski: You're a vegmite person, aren't you?
[13:24] <czajkowski> NO!
[13:24] <czajkowski> peanutbutter :)
[13:24] <nigelb> czajkowski: Excellent, we can be friends.
[13:24] <dpm> oh, thanks for the heads up czajkowski!
[13:24] <nigelb> My partner loves marmine.
[13:24]  * nigelb isn't sure it's edible.
[13:25] <czajkowski> it stinks
[13:25] <czajkowski> dpm: http://www.oscon.com/open-source-eu-2015/public/cfp/385
[13:25] <dholbach> dpm, are we reviewing work items for the next 2-3 weeks of sprint?
[13:25] <dholbach> erm... I mean in the meeting later on today
[13:30] <dpm> dholbach, I was planning to, yes, although we've got only 30 mins scheduled
[13:31] <dpm> popey, omw
[13:31] <popey> k
[13:31] <dholbach> dpm, ok... I'll write something up in a pad or something, so we can review before I add to the trello(?)
[16:13] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:13] <elfy> cya dholbach
[16:13] <dholbach> bye elfy :)
[19:25] <silverlion> hi toddy
[19:38] <PabloRubianes> elfy:ping
[19:38] <PabloRubianes> i'm back to the loco council=
[19:38] <PabloRubianes> =?
[19:39] <toddy> hi silverlion
[19:39] <elfy> PabloRubianes: yes - did you not want to be?
[19:40] <PabloRubianes> elfy: yes, but as there was no anouncement got me by surprise
[19:40] <PabloRubianes> :P
[19:40] <elfy> oic - yea - we're behind and trying to catch up - announcement will be out soon :)
[19:41] <elfy> thanks for your continuing involvement :)
[19:41] <PabloRubianes> thanks!
[19:41] <elfy> thank you ;)
[19:41]  * PabloRubianes is really happy :)


[04:14] <swift110> hey all
[07:45] <sh0rtbus> any chance you're there wxl
[07:45] <sh0rtbus> any one for that matter
[08:44] <ridgedale> Trying to install Lubuntu on MacBook Pro 2,2 but cannot boot to the installer either from USB or external CD/DVD drive. Using reFit - USB boot stops with "not found locatedevicepath", cd boot stopped initailly with "no bootable device", then updated partition table with reFit partition tool, now CD boot stop with "missing operating system". Any tho
[08:44] <ridgedale> ughts?
[12:15] <tsimonq2> sh0rtbus: It's like 4 AM for him at the moment and he gets online at around 10 AM his time until 5:30ish PM his time.
[13:10] <xnox> hi, could we upgrade sddm to 0.14 for high-dpi support?
[18:20] <simpleuser> Hi there. I try to change my default language but it seems I don't have "language support" in Preferences. Any idea?
[18:25] <leszek> simpleuser: make sure to have the language-selector-gnome package installed
[18:46] <simpleuser> leszek: Mmm already installed :\
[18:47] <leszek> simpleuser: if it is already installed executing gnome-language-selector should start it. Maybe only the launcher for it is missing for you
[18:48] <simpleuser> oh indeed!
[18:48] <simpleuser> leszek: Dziȩkujȩ bardzo!
[19:00] <leszek> np :)
[19:43] <MegaMind_> I have installed Squid3 on Lubuntu. What kernel tweaks are necessary in gerenal for better Performance.


[01:49] <axw> hml: we can't hear you
[01:49] <axw> hml: still there?
[02:12] <thumper> happy birthday axw :)
[02:12] <axw> thanks thumper :)
[02:13] <axw> thumper jam menn0: speaking of, I'm going out for lunch, so won't be able to make tech board today
[02:13] <thumper> ack
[02:14] <menn0> axw: np
[02:31] <babbageclunk> axw: Oh yeah, happy birthday! Hope the birthday lunch is super delish.
[02:31] <axw> babbageclunk: thanks
[02:42] <thumper> fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck
[02:42] <thumper> does anyone here understand leadership as it was in 1.25?
[02:44] <blahdeblah> thumper: You really know how to brighten my day. :-)
[02:44] <thumper> :)
[02:44] <thumper> blahdeblah: don't suppose you understand it?
[02:44] <blahdeblah> I don't, but axino might. :-)
[02:46] <thumper> looks like there should be an entry in the leases collection for it
[02:46] <thumper> but I don't see entries there for the services I expect
[02:46] <thumper> like...
[02:46] <thumper> there aren't any
[02:46] <thumper> just one for a clokc
[02:46] <thumper> clock
[02:47] <thumper> this is crack
[02:47] <veebers> Happy Birthday axw :-)
[02:47] <axw> thanks veebers
[02:49] <anastasiamac> thumper: dunno about 1.25 but in 2., leases collection has an aaplication-leader "clock" , there is also a "clock" and a "lease" per model in that collection... these r both tagged as "singular-controller"
[03:25]  * thumper sighs
[03:25] <thumper> FFS
[03:25] <thumper> my old DB dump didn't have any leases
[03:25] <thumper> but now they are there
[03:25] <thumper> why?...
[03:25] <thumper> I've got nothing
[04:41] <jam> menn0: btw, I'm no longer sure that deleting documents as you iterate was the cause of the problem vs the bson.M vs bson.D issue.
[04:42] <menn0> jam: could it have happened at any time?
[04:43] <jam> menn0: what I mean is that using the old "Id interface{}" meant that some % of the time documents would fail to be removed
[04:43] <jam> which might have been the actual cause of them not getting removed
[04:43] <jam> rather than deletions causing my iteration to be wrong.
[04:44] <menn0> jam: ok right
[05:15] <jam> menn0: so I've pushed up the changes from your review. IF you could look at it today so I can land this and then iterate on the next steps?
[05:15] <menn0> jam: looking now
[05:24] <menn0> jam: ship it on the first one
[05:26] <menn0> jam: why does the second one mention ericsnowcurrently? :)
[05:27] <menn0> jam: done
[07:13] <jam> menn0: I've seen something like that as well. Things like "this change was updated by ericsnowcurrently"
[07:13] <jam> thanks for the review
[09:24] <menn0> jam: could be the reviewboard integration as eric set that up?
[09:25] <jam> menn0: yeah, probably
[09:25] <jam> menn0: I wanted to run something by you
[09:25] <jam> menn0: I did find a few things running on a live controller
[09:25] <jam> one interesting thing
[09:25] <jam> is that it is actually reasonably to get down to 0 transactions in txns
[09:25] <jam> which means "pruneFactor" starts to become meaningless
[09:25] <jam> and it just causes pruning to run all the time
[09:26] <jam> menn0: yeah, I bet that's it, because it adds the reviewboard link to the pull request
[09:26] <jam> menn0: I'm thinking to add something that would make the behavior configurable / default to a minimum of 100/1000 transactions
[09:27] <jam> and maybe a maximum ignoring pruneFactor
[09:35] <SimonKLB> will LXC containers always show hardware specs as 0 ?
[09:55] <hoenir> After writing a provider and a api client from scratch it's amazing how well juju is structured in interfaces.
[09:56] <hoenir> And how easy is to embed and compose the functionalities. I really didn't need to look up on some docs or anything like that. I just watched and readed the code... on some places it laks comments but overall a good experience.
[09:56] <hoenir> Good job done guys !
[09:57] <hoenir> Well done..
[09:57] <hoenir> *
[09:57] <hoenir> Did anyone noticed this when writing a provideR?
[12:08] <Dmitrii-Sh> Hi. Question: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.1/reference-charm-hooks#leader-elected <- this doc says "If the election process is done internally to the service, other code should be used to signal the leader to Juju.". However, I don't see any hook tools to assert leadership http://paste.ubuntu.com/24319908/ So, as far as I understand, there is no manual way
[12:08] <Dmitrii-Sh> to designate a leader and the doc is wrong. Does anyone know if it is supposed to be that way and if this has not been implemented for a reason?
[12:14] <Dmitrii-Sh> "Authors can use this hook to take action if their protocols for leadership, consensus, raft, or quorum require one unit to assert leadership." - this doesn't make much sense as well as if you have a network partition you may actually have multiple leaders in separated clusters. If Juju has access to both clusters, for example, it may get conflicting
[12:14] <Dmitrii-Sh> requests for leadership from that 'other code that signals internal notion of leadership to juju'
[15:34] <admcleod> sinzui: fyi, magpie now does MTU
[15:34] <sinzui> admcleod: interesting. I will look soon
[15:38] <cmars> morning folks, could i get a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7195 please?
[21:04] <sinzui> babbageclunk: did you see bug 1680046
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1680046: Bootstrap failed on maas 1.9 because invalid character '<' looking for beginning of value <bootstrap> <ci> <maas-provider> <regression> <juju:Triaged by 2-xtian> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680046>
[21:11] <babbageclunk> sinzui: no I hadn't - looking now
[21:13] <babbageclunk> sinzui: is the test running against maas 1.9.5?
[21:15]  * sinzui looks
[21:17] <sinzui> babbageclunk: no, 1.9.4+bzr4592-0ubuntu1~trusty1. It is scheduled to be upgraded to 1.9.5+bzr4599-0ubuntu1~14.04.1 this weekend
[21:18] <sinzui> babbageclunk: I can make it upgrade right now
[21:18] <babbageclunk> sinzui: hmm, that might be it then. I ran my smoke test against 1.9.5.
[21:19] <babbageclunk> sinzui: Is breaking juju for 1.9.4  a problem?
[21:19] <babbageclunk> sinzui: (I can see that it might be.)
[21:20] <sinzui> babbageclunk: Awkward answer. the answe no we should not, but we do love the maas team when they say the only fix for a bug is to upgrade to the latest maas
[21:21] <babbageclunk> sinzui: yeah, sure - it would be pretty annoying for a user who has a working 1.9.4 maas
[21:21] <babbageclunk> sinzui: I'll roll back to my 1.9.4 snapshot and try to work out why it's broken against it.
[21:22] <sinzui> babbageclunk: 1.9.5 is only 6 days old. so few will have it. Like us we don't get updated every day. BUT....
[21:22] <sinzui> if you don't fix the issue soon, my maas will go to 1.9.5 anyway
[21:22] <babbageclunk> sinzui: yay easy fix!
[21:22] <babbageclunk> sinzui: j/k
[21:23] <sinzui> babbageclunk: I am half serious myself. I think the issue will fix itself if I don't interviene with the servers update schedule
[21:25] <babbageclunk> sinzui: well, I guess we can discuss more in about 5 mins
[21:25] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: sinzui: it's on the list \o/
[21:25] <anastasiamac> (minutes)*
[21:55] <cmars> morning folks, can i get a review of https://github.com/juju/description/pull/11 please?
[21:56] <cmars> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7202 will soon follow
[22:05] <babbageclunk> sinzui: weirdly, I can bootstrap on 1.9.4, although it requires a lot of retries for the bootstrap to successfully ssh to the deployed controller machine
[23:03] <babbageclunk> sinzui: Could I get access to the maas where this test was failing?
[23:16] <babbageclunk> sinzui: no worries, I worked it out - bootstrapping against it now.
[23:16] <sinzui> babbageclunk: you may already have,. did I send you the snippetsmfrom cloud-city to get into munna?
[23:17] <babbageclunk> sinzui: I eventually remembered to look in there.
[23:17] <sinzui> babbageclunk: are you in?
[23:18] <babbageclunk> sinzui: yup yup
[23:25] <babbageclunk> sinzui: ok, I see why my smoke test didn't find this now.


[14:06] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[14:17] <nhaines> Good morning!
[14:24] <nhaines> Just undocked from my space station and am currently reentering the atmosphere around Kerbin.
[15:11] <nhaines> I am happy to announce that I did indeed have a very nice, soft ocean landing.
[23:30] <Roguehorse> ok then....welcome to E-A-R-T-H
[23:30] <nhaines> Kerbin actually.


[01:52] <p_masho> bore da all..
[01:52] <p_masho> like a sheep.. sitting on the leaf sofa, underneath the tree.. to tickle my back with ubuntu..
[02:02] <p_masho> Attention ALL::
[02:02] <p_masho> Can we at least create a test run of Ubuntu CYm..
[02:03] <p_masho> And idea of mine is to take a milk chirn to Ammanford Town center, and give away EduBuntu for around 2 pounds, profits goto Marie Curie..
[13:54] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[19:10] <brobostigon> noswaith dda Mr__T
[22:01] <brobostigon> noswaith dda ianto
[22:02] <ianto> brobostigon: Sut ych chi?
[22:02] <markjones> ianto!
[22:02] <ianto> markjones!
[22:02] <brobostigon> ianto: frustration and angry and ill and depressed. how about you ?
[22:03] <ianto> Bumming about battling with BTOpenzone/BTFON, updating arch packages and then installing GNOME
[22:03] <markjones> hehe
[22:03] <ianto> Learnt a lot about wireless networking though through the command line lately
[22:03] <ianto> Well relearnt a lot I should say
[22:03] <markjones> you up North or down South?
[22:03] <ianto> markjones: Chedleton
[22:03] <ianto> Or something like tat
[22:03] <brobostigon> ianto: :)
[22:03] <ianto> In Staffordshire
[22:03] <markjones> oh right
[22:04] <ianto> Amber's got an xbox 360 now with Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood :)
[22:04] <ianto> If only she had a PS3, I would get it and we could go multiplayer!
[22:05] <markjones> i don't have one
[22:05] <markjones> decided to get a DSi XL instead
[22:05] <ianto> Heh, I think she's got one of those too
[22:06] <ianto> And a PSP Go, she doesn't even touch them but goes out and buys them anyway...
[22:06] <markjones> xD
[22:06] <ianto> markjones: Amber's asking how's Natalie and her wrists
[22:07] <markjones> she's coping, her wrist has a metal plate in it now
[22:07] <ianto> "F****ng hell" was the response "It must've been bad then" ;)
[22:09]  * ianto wants a faster download speed than 60kb/s :(
[22:12] <ianto> So how was everyone's christmas, any plans for the new year to come?
[22:13] <brobostigon> ianto: it was quiet really, new years eve is going to be very boozy. and i plan to write a business plan for a (my) linux consulatency.
[22:13] <brobostigon> ianto: how abou you?
[22:15] <ianto> brobostigon: Xmas very noisy to be honest, lots of family (of the girlfriend) coming over her grandmother's. Then the annoyancy of 3 boys under sixteen taking over the xbox and just being loud ;). Btw this Linux consultancy sounds interesting, have you done much so far?
[22:15] <brobostigon> ianto: just basic ideas, not much more yet.
[22:17] <brobostigon> ianto: and a prequesite would be to pass my driving test, which isnt far off.
[22:17] <ianto> Cool and this is a project that you're intending to take up or is it one of those projects that you do for groups like MIND (I have no idea what mind does but I Remember the name) or a qualification of some sort?
[22:18] <ianto> brobostigon: Best of luck with it, after the test the only real problem is insurance if you can get that sorted you should do well
[22:18] <brobostigon> ianto: seperatly from anything i have done so far, however with the aim of doing support and design for some people i have already done stuff for, like mind,
[22:20] <brobostigon> ianto: and doing independent design and support.
[22:20] <ianto> Wicked, well best of luck and I'm sure if you need any assistance that if you post to a list like the -cym or -uk you should get some help with it
[22:21] <brobostigon> ianto: i will need the help with the mathematics, that is where my failiure lies.
[22:22] <ianto> I (think that I) am alright with maths, providing that you're not using advanced formulae using sine and other mathematical constants that I'm not too familiar with
[22:24] <brobostigon> ianto: the mathematics within said business plan.
[22:25] <ianto> Ah business maths, I've had to do that for my uncle's business a few times
[22:25] <brobostigon> ianto: that is whatiam dreading.
[22:27] <ianto> Ah well I'm currently reading and programming my way through "Chapter 4 - Arithmetic Operators" in my new programming book, you never know, we could make an app to do the maths for you
[22:27] <brobostigon> ianto: the market reserch is going to be the interesting bit.
[22:27] <brobostigon> ianto: now that would rock, :)
[23:06] <brobostigon> ianto: may i ask, what is, hppy christmas in welsh  ?
[23:10] <markjones> Nadolig Llawen
[23:10]  * brobostigon makes notes.
[23:10] <brobostigon> thank you markjones
[23:11] <markjones> it's ok
[23:12] <brobostigon> :)
[23:39] <ianto> brobostigon: Sori, I was AFK (well watching Family Guy)
[23:40] <brobostigon> ianto: i am watching family guy aswell, :)
[23:41]  * ianto can't take the laptop into the living room, he'll lose his Openzone signal :(
[23:41] <brobostigon> :(
[23:41] <markjones> lol
[23:41] <markjones> fail
[23:42]  * ianto slaps markjones
[23:42] <brobostigon> play kind, ok.
[23:42] <ianto> ;)
[23:45] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:45] <ianto> Anyone here who understands decimal to octal conversion?
[23:45] <ianto> Nos da
[23:45] <brobostigon> nos da ianto
[23:50] <ianto> Actually, don't worry, I've worked it out
[23:57]  * ianto goes off to TV again
[23:58] <markjones> aww
[23:58] <markjones> to be fair I've got to be up at 7


[00:48] <Alpha-01> upgrade seems to have solved the problem. I am now able to connect to wifi.
[00:57] <greg-g> awesome!
[01:01] <Alpha-01> so how do i tweak the partitions? it keeps telling me how my hard drive is pretty much full.
[01:01] <Alpha-01> but i have 4gb of space
[01:01] <Alpha-01> and unless ubuntu 11.04 is bigger than i thought, that shouldn't be the case.
[01:04] <greg-g> well, the full install uses about 2 gigs, iirc, so it might be warning you that you have less than 2 gigs left
[01:06] <Alpha-01> it is telling me i have mb left, so i am guessing it might be 2 2gb or something like that.
[01:06] <rick_h_> well snapl had that issue
[01:06] <rick_h_> because by default it did 1gb of swap
[01:06] <rick_h_> so you might be close to full
[01:07] <Alpha-01> so if i have more updates will it know to store them elsewhere, or will it just stop updating?
[01:08] <rick_h_> well honestly that setup isn't very sustainable
[01:09] <Alpha-01> setup? sustainable?
[01:10] <rick_h_> you'll have to catch snapl for advise
[01:10] <rick_h_> but check out the report of df -h
[01:10] <Alpha-01> i.e. netbook shouldn't run ubuntuu?
[01:10] <rick_h_> and see how big the partitions are
[01:10] <rick_h_> 4gb of disk a not a lot of space these days unfortunately
[01:10] <rick_h_> I know snapl was always pressing against that
[01:10] <Alpha-01> *ubuntu
[01:11] <rick_h_> there are some large packages you can uninstall, there are some tricks you can try
[01:11] <rick_h_> if you recall him last night talking about some of the other ubuntu family were much larger than he thought they'd be
[01:11] <Alpha-01> well, i will keep that in mind. right now as long as i can get skype going this would be a major success.
[01:42] <snap-l> evening, all
[01:42] <snap-l> Sorry if I was a bit moody earlier. I'm not in my happy place.
[01:43] <rick_h_> everything ok?
[01:43] <jjesse> hope everything is fine
[01:43] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm fine, just trying to figure out my place in the universe
[01:43] <snap-l> That's all. ;)
[01:52] <jjesse> hope you find it soon
[01:53] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries
[10:47] <greg-g> g'morn
[11:01] <rick_h_> morning
[11:24] <Wolfger> party
[11:51] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:52] <brousch> so far
[11:53] <snap-l> btw: If you want to hear the results of what I was working on yesterday to make JoDee happy with being awakened to noise: http://openmetalcast.com/about/promote/
[12:01] <brousch> i must've missed that conversation
[12:01] <snap-l> And now JoDee waits for Comcast
[12:01] <rick_h_> ruh roh, again?
[12:01] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, first thing in the morning was me making that
[12:01] <snap-l> rick_h_: re: Comcast? No, this is the first wait
[12:01] <snap-l> We
[12:01] <snap-l> we're making sure they don't try to install Comcast here.
[12:02] <snap-l> billing address != shipping address. ;)
[12:02] <snap-l> And this is the important payload. If dad-in-law doesn't get Comcast, there might be hell to pay
[12:02] <snap-l> he was paying $$$ for satellite TV.
[12:08] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6706161/datetime-in-defining-database-using-sqlalchemy/6706726#6706726 woo downvoting in the morning
[12:08] <greg-g> snap-l: lol re: promo
[12:08] <greg-g> snap-l: did you make the clanking noises yourself? or was that a sample?
[12:08] <greg-g> oh, looks like sample
[12:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: ah ok. I thought it was your place. Weren't you having comcast issues before and such?
[12:12] <snap-l> greg-g: Tose we all promos.
[12:12] <snap-l> Er, good morning
[12:13] <snap-l> Those were all samples in the background
[12:13] <snap-l> just a little tweaking here and there.
[12:13] <snap-l> rick_h_: I have WOW. I always have issues with Comcast.
[12:13] <snap-l> High prices, dick moves, etc.
[12:13] <rick_h_> gotcha
[12:14] <snap-l> But apparently it's the only option in this building outside of rabbit ears.
[12:14] <snap-l> I have hypno-bunny outside my window
[12:24] <greg-g> haha, "tose we all promos" is the QOTD
[13:35] <greg-g> long article, but really interesting read about Stuxnet: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/how-digital-detectives-deciphered-stuxnet/all/1
[13:35] <Wolfger> oh gods.... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/93071/is-it-just-me-or-is-all-the-new-fancy-google-functionaility-annoying-everyone-els
[13:40] <Wolfger> greg-g: fascinating. I'll have to give that a full read later.
[13:40] <greg-g> Wolfger: yeah, and it might hit home for you, given your day job
[13:41] <Wolfger> Yeah... Step 7 is right up my alley
[13:41] <greg-g> I hadn't heard of it until that article
[13:41] <greg-g> now I'm scared
[13:41] <greg-g> :)
[13:42] <Wolfger> Yeah, never heard of this at all. Switching to the 8-page view to break it into readable chunks
[13:44] <snap-l> Thank you Wired, for breaking Instapaper.
[13:45] <greg-g> heh
[13:45] <snap-l> Seriously, Wired may have the best content in the world, but they're too busy having a fucking typography circle-jerk to let anyone read it.
[13:46] <greg-g> hey! it is what gives their work such added value! (or something)
[13:47] <greg-g> I was confused by all of the green arrows in that article, I was like, "where do I go next? do I really skip this paragraph? Why can't I just read the way I normally do?"
[13:48] <jjesse> i really liked that article :)
[13:48] <jjesse> the stuxnet one
[13:49] <snap-l> Every time I think of Wired, I think of Van Burnham
[13:49] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/Van-Burnham/e/B001IQXFC0
[13:50] <snap-l> Back when I went to Classic Gaming Expo (2000), she was a guest speaker or something.
[13:50] <snap-l> Or some show. Don't remember which, and doesn't matter
[13:50] <snap-l> she entered the room with a fucking entourage
[13:51] <snap-l> bunch of folks that looked like they'd rather be playing Shadowrun or Vampire
[13:51] <greg-g> I think of Stephenson's article about undersea cables
[13:51] <snap-l> All I could think of was "what a twat"
[13:55] <snap-l> Ah, I remember, she was promoting her forthcoming book
[13:55] <snap-l> which apparently launched in 2003.
[13:57] <snap-l> Anywho, point being, Wired makes me stabby because they value presentation over content.
[14:00] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/93082/what-do-you-think-are-the-best-ways-to-save-time-when-writing-code <- stabby
[14:04] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/93082/what-do-you-think-are-the-best-ways-to-save-time-when-writing-code/93120#93120
[14:10] <nullspace> snap-l: oh oh I'm going to sit here and hit refresh every 5 minutes on that page...
[14:10] <nullspace> on second though I'll go back to writting java
[14:10] <jrwren> java? rofl
[14:11] <nullspace> shush MS fan boy
[14:12] <snap-l> Hey, did you hear Microsoft is abandoning Windows?
[14:12] <nullspace> I guess they just don't like natural light
[14:12] <jrwren> why stabby?
[14:13] <nullspace> MS research shows that more code is wrriten when a programmer's work environment is similar to a cave
[14:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Those kinds of questions are like pre-optimization questions
[14:13] <snap-l> ie: will my code compile faster if I use tabs instead of spaces.
[14:14] <nullspace> gah
[14:14] <jrwren> oh... i didn't read it that way at all.
[14:14] <jrwren> "save time when writing code" to me sounds lke they want to be efficient.
[14:14] <jrwren> I'd expect answers like "use Ruby instead of C"
[14:14] <snap-l> Yes, on the durface
[14:15] <snap-l> What the fuck, I can't type at all today.
[14:15] <jrwren> are you a programmer?
[14:15] <nullspace> at least that sentance came out right
[14:15] <smoser> jcastro, have you seen http://pad.lv/811052 (unity 2 screens black window)
[14:15] <jrwren> i'm just glad it was closed as not constructive
[14:15] <snap-l> jrwren: I am a programmer. And open-ended questions like "how do I code faster" are not coding questions, they're procrastination
[14:16] <jcastro> smoser: you've shown this to me before IRL
[14:16] <jcastro> this happened to you at mug right?
[14:16] <nullspace> snap-l: could have told them to type faster
[14:16] <smoser> happens for me with 2 screens 100% of the time
[14:16] <smoser> does it not happen for you ?
[14:16] <jrwren> rofl. i disagree, but I think I see your POV
[14:16] <jcastro> snap-l: programmer.se is where all the stupid questions people don't want on stackoverflow go
[14:16] <jcastro> "how do I do agile?!?!?!"
[14:17] <jrwren> i'll bet if a python n00b paired with rick_h_ and his vim setup for a couple days they would pick up TONS of things to "code faster"
[14:17] <jcastro> smoser: jiggle either njpatel or DBO on #ayatana
[14:17] <snap-l> jcastro: indeed
[14:17] <jcastro> and see if they've seen it
[14:17] <jcastro> hah
[14:17] <jcastro> or he could abandon you
[14:18] <brousch> smoser: i have that exact same problem
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I'm being a little harsh, and there is always room for improvement, but this came across to me as navalgazing
[14:18] <snap-l> jcastro: You're still going to hang out in here when you're off on your glorious beaches, right?
[14:19] <snap-l> I need my direct line to Canonical in here. ;)
[14:19] <smoser> brousch, hit "affects me" then.
[14:19] <smoser> will you?
[14:19] <brousch> i did
[14:19] <jrwren> snap-l: honestly, I think he was indirectly spamming that link through yahoo through reddit to his site to drive traffic
[14:20] <smoser> brousch, i'm guessing you're not running oneiric, right ?
[14:20] <brousch> hm, but i'm on 11.04 and using real hardware
[14:20] <snap-l> jrwren: It got closed anyway.
[14:20] <smoser> i'm on real hardware also
[14:20] <smoser> could you mention that you're seeing it with $(dpkg-query --show unity)
[14:23] <brousch> np, let me know if you need anything else
[14:36] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/749871/comments/16
[14:40] <snap-l> jrwren: RT @AaronErickson: Showing C# 3 to people who have only known Java is like going back 200 years and showing people your iPad. (heh)
[14:41] <jrwren> rick_h_: unsubbing from #TNT and keeping #BOL?  what does that mean?
[14:41] <rick_h_> podcast stuff
[14:42] <rick_h_> both do daily news
[14:42] <rick_h_> dropped one and kept the other, now the one I kept is annoying as #@$#@
[14:42] <nullspace> snap-l: eye rolling ensues
[14:42] <jrwren> snap-l: its true though. C# is sooooo much more than "clone of java" like the haters suggest
[14:42] <smoser> brousch, well, dbo responded, maybe this will get fixed.
[14:42] <smoser> glad i finally decided to do something about it.
[14:43] <nullspace> so if java sucks why is it on android and why is apache making awesome programs with it
[14:43] <DBO> DBO is in here you know
[14:43] <smoser> yeah, but i like talking behind his back
[14:43] <smoser> oh, shoot, he heard me
[14:43] <brousch> smoser: You are abetter bugman than I
[14:44] <smoser> well, i was in a bug submitting mood after i upgraded, rebooted, and couldn't log in at all
[14:44] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/809890
[14:45] <brousch> I have a couple of other problems I should report
[14:45] <brousch> sleep doesn't work, sometimes i can't get out of a screensaver
[14:45] <nullspace> smoser: just don't use unity, it's that simple
[14:45] <jrwren> did I say java sucks?  no. I just said C# is better :)
[14:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: I've come to the conclusion that I can't stand Sara Lane or Molly Wood
[14:46] <snap-l> Though Molly Wood is infinitely more tolerable than Sara Lane.
[14:46] <nullspace> causes my machien to freeze becasue my gpu and unity hate each other
[14:46] <snap-l> ie: if she's a guest on a show, she's fine
[14:46] <snap-l> when she's hosting, I want to stop listening.
[14:46] <nullspace> snap-l: what show is this?
[14:47] <snap-l> Buzz out Loud?
[14:47] <nullspace> don't think I can listen to that anyway
[14:48] <smoser> snap-l is *really* trying to avoid work
[14:48] <smoser> not only *watching* cnet garbage, but talking about his favorite hosts
[14:49] <snap-l> smoser: hardly
[14:49] <snap-l> This is a long-held believ.
[14:49] <snap-l> belief, even
[14:49] <jrwren> why even bother listening to that stuff?  its for techie grandpas
[14:50]  * snap-l gets ready to kneecap jrwren with his cane.
[14:51] <snap-l> I don't listen to either regularly, mind you.
[14:51]  * smoser snickers, thinking of snap-l saying "Get off my lawn, or I'll throw my Zune at you. ROTTEN KIDS!"
 I have this area in front of my house here grass proceeds to work through "the circle of life"
[14:53] <nullspace> it's called the carbon cycle
[14:53] <nullspace> I was part of the carbon cycle before it was cool
[14:56] <snap-l> I'm so cool, I leave carbon crop circles.
[14:59] <nullspace> who is going to make it to maker faire this year?
[15:00] <nullspace> I sould say Detroit Maker Faire
[15:00] <brousch> quit having it the same weekend as pyohio :P
[15:01] <nullspace> who wants to go to ohio anyway
[15:01] <nullspace> deleware at least has an ocean, ohio has, well drive thru liqour stores
[15:10] <brousch> ohio has pythons!
[15:21] <nullspace> mofo snakes in a mofo convention
[15:31] <rick_h_> boom
[15:32] <krondor> nullspace:  I can't they did it same weekend as last year, and just like last year I have the same meeting to attend :|
[15:32] <gamerchick02> yo dawg,i heard you like python so i put some pythons in your python... well, maybe not.
[15:34] <brousch> ouch
[15:35] <krondor> Tulalip has got to be worst codename for a project I've heard
[15:35] <gamerchick02> tulalip?
[15:35] <gamerchick02> wha?
[15:35] <rick_h_> krondor: I'm glad I'm not the only one
[15:35] <rick_h_> and usually MS does a bit better with those codenames
[15:36] <rick_h_> usually the codenames should be the product names
[15:36] <krondor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames
[15:44] <snap-l> For those of us who aren't paying attention, what is Tulalip?
[15:45] <brousch> MS codename for their social network that had a nip slip last night
[15:47] <Wolfger> jrwren: technically you did not say that Java sucks (though you should have), nor did you say C# is better. You simply said C# was more...  (more suckage?)
[15:47] <jrwren> if suckage is complex, then yes. C# is more complex.
[15:48] <jrwren> if suckage is powerful, then yes, C# is more powerful
[16:02] <snap-l> brousch: You're kidding me
[16:02] <snap-l> Apparently Microsoft is just going throw their dick into any hole and hope someone does something with it, aren't they?
[16:04] <snap-l> (apologies, that reference was a little vile)
[16:48] <snap-l> - D&D 1st Ed Monster Manual (Limit 3)   	135 Points
[16:48] <snap-l> http://gobretail.com/gobcurrentrewards.php
[16:48] <snap-l> Sorry, but I find that funny
[16:48] <snap-l> I think that means that they only have three available for rewards, but still...
[16:56] <rick_h_> https://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2454#c43
[16:56] <rick_h_> interesting
[16:57] <rick_h_> because they have: http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/CodeReviews
[17:40] <brousch> snap-l: nice OMC intro
[17:50] <brousch> and of course i get 1/2 way through the first song before somone needs their hand held
[17:58] <Wolfger> how romantic.... ;-)
[18:15] <snap-l> brousch: Heh
[18:15] <snap-l> the music, it's scary. ;)
[18:15] <snap-l> brousch: Thanks, though. Glad you enjoyed it. :)
[18:19] <brousch> i could barely tell it was you
[19:06] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6698554/simple-cgi-python-webserver-php-not-working <- Update from Yesterday.
[19:09] <brousch> so it's solved? i can run my php in python now?
[19:10] <nullspace> gah, I know Joy division really beok new ground but the lead singer just sounds like he is no even trying
[19:11] <nullspace> instead I'll just listen to the smiths
[19:17]  * rick_h_ smacks forehead
[19:18] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ty, made my afternoon: https://twitter.com/#!/wafuqua/status/91949206234861568
[19:18] <rick_h_> I can completely see myself in this situtation
[19:18] <rick_h_> situation that is
[19:19] <Blazeix> haha, yeah, it was amazing
[19:20] <rick_h_> "render damn you!!!!"
[19:20] <rick_h_> "I am, I am..."
[19:20] <Blazeix> we tried zooming out 6 or 7 times, but you need to zoom out ~25 times
[19:20] <rick_h_> I was chasing an html thing like that where the labels weren't showing on some JS generated images
[19:20] <rick_h_> just happened the default text was white on a white background
[19:23] <nullspace> rick_h_: walked away yesterday and never noticed if you replied to the $.proxy comment
[19:29] <nullspace> keeping context is good
[19:30] <rick_h_> $.proxy?
[19:30] <nullspace> http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.proxy/
[19:30] <rick_h_> ok, what's the deal?
[19:31] <nullspace> keeps your objects in context
[19:31] <nullspace> I guess I'm just finding it really useful
[19:31] <rick_h_> right, sorry feel like I missed this discussion
[19:32] <nullspace> actually we are having it right now
[19:32] <rick_h_> ah, I've not had to use it really.
[19:32] <rick_h_> I tend to try to use events, callbacks, and pass what I need
[19:32] <rick_h_> I guess I'd do something more like using the extra params in an event trigger instead
[19:32] <rick_h_> and try to encapsulate that
[19:33] <nullspace> I do to but sometimes this is just easier
[19:33] <rick_h_> cool
[19:33] <nullspace> I made a jQuery pun
[19:34] <nullspace> err an object oriented pun
[21:19] <snap-l> Jeez, sf.net is hiring like mad
[21:19] <snap-l> Unfortunately I can't get to their site. ;)
[21:49] <snap-l> I have had more people follow me on Google Plus that I don't know than on Twitter. ;)


[00:50] <jpds> woot-0854 seems to be acting random.
[10:48] <bkerensa> Myrtti: oh you got that?
[10:48] <elky> they advertise their twitter handles now?
[10:49] <elky> that's new
[10:49] <Myrtti> you got one, I got one
[10:49] <bkerensa> elky: indeed odd
[15:29] <IdleOne> kaziweb: Anything we can help you with?
[15:30] <kaziweb> IdleOne, it's solved. Thanks.
[15:30] <Tm_T> hai
[15:31] <IdleOne> Great, please read the channel topic and not idle in this channel.
[15:31] <kaziweb> IdleOne, Oh!