[00:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: things not on my todo list today: Call random people names until they beat me down, Assassinate the president, deliberately troll darpa
[00:06] <Azelphur> xD
[00:07] <ali1234> i just had a great idea
[00:09] <Myrtti> I was just about to troll you guys with some Echelon catchable keywords
[00:09] <Myrtti> but then I went like lol
[00:09] <Myrtti> the logs are public anyway :-$
[00:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:10] <ali1234> so... if you look at the ruled lines
[00:11] <Azelphur> Myrtti: like FRU, Lebed, HALO, Spetznaz, Al Amn al-Askari, Glock 26 and Steak Knife? :D
[00:11] <ali1234> you can get a metric between two vertical pieces by calculating the distance between the lines
[00:12] <ali1234> from that you can reconstruct the strips, and getting from there to the final document should be relatively easy
[00:12] <Azelphur> fun :)
[00:13] <Myrtti> Azelphur: al qaeda, breivik, bomb, london olympics
[00:13] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:13] <Azelphur> inb4 we both disappear
[00:15] <Myrtti> *snerk*
[07:24] <DJones> Morning all
[07:27] <diplo> Morning all
[07:44] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[07:55] <popey> Morning
[07:55] <iclebyte> morning
[08:13] <bigcalm> Morning peeps!
[08:14] <popey> Pip pip!
[08:15] <bigcalm> Peeps do go pip!
[08:15] <DJones> 3 pips in the last minute, does that mean its 3am or 3pm?
[08:16] <MooDoo> morning
[08:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahhh - I love the smell of invoicing in the morning! :-D
[08:19]  * DJones invoices TheOpenSourcerer
[08:20] <DJones> & sends a credit note
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - Was actually sending invoices, not receiving them.
[08:20] <DJones> Well, still seems fair
[08:21] <iclebyte> we have an usual use case where we have very low disk latency requirements
[08:21] <iclebyte> is anyone aware of a server which uses SSD drives?
[08:21] <iclebyte> do dell do one?
[08:21] <AlanBell> ask daubers
[08:21] <kiwicraig> Hello All
[08:22] <iclebyte> AlanBell, about the server?
[08:22] <popey> not sure I'd buy a server with their own SSDs
[08:22] <popey> I'd buy a server and add my own
[08:23] <iclebyte> not sure if they will work?
[08:23] <iclebyte> or fit in the disk cages
[08:23] <popey> no
[08:23] <popey> not that
[08:23] <popey> manufacturers like dell massively inflate disk prices
[08:23] <popey> I'd rather buy my own and put them in it
[08:23] <popey> you get to choose, which is wise with SSD because the price/quality/performance varies wildly
[08:24] <oimon> some vendors do cheeky stuff and modify the firmware so that only their disks are allowed :-\
[08:24] <oimon> it's cheaper for me to buy a new £20k SAN than to upgrade the disks in it
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> In this month's CustomPC mag there are some stonkingly fast SSDs - Crucial did a firmware update and increased performance by 50-70% IIRC
[08:25] <oimon> but even lower end NAS such as MD3000 array requires dell disks
[08:26] <kiwicraig> Hello. I am looking for some that is running 11.10, Unity 2D and has a monitor of over 2100 pixels horizontal. I want to check if Launch Pad bug #879143 effects more then just me. I have a rather odd graphics card
[08:26] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 879143 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "The app windows gets cut off at greater then 2050 pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879143
[08:27] <popey> hi kiwicraig
[08:28] <popey> 2100 is very wide
[08:28] <popey> ah, dual screen
[08:28] <kiwicraig> Popey : yes dual 17"
[08:28] <popey> is it intel video?
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> My monitor is 2048x1152
[08:29] <kiwicraig> Nvida Qudra NVS
[08:29] <iclebyte> popey, who would you rate as the better SSDS?
[08:29] <kiwicraig> I  have 2680x1080
[08:29] <popey> iclebyte: changes all the time, I'd read reviews
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> iclebyte: And it depends on what *you* mean by better.
[08:30] <iclebyte> i'd define 'better' as longest lasting
[08:31] <JamesTait> Fantabulous Friday, everyone!
[08:34] <christel> fantabulous friday indeed! :)
[08:35] <DJones> Not just any Friday, but payday friday as well, Doubly Fantabulous :)
[08:35] <christel> \o/
[08:35] <kiwicraig> == help
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am going to a beer festival this afternoon with a customer :D
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> He's asked me to bring along some chillies too.
[08:37] <BigRedS> it seems to always be beer festival season in TheOpenSourcerer's world
[08:37] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: i want to do what you do :)
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Once every few months I get to one.
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: Send me your CV ;-) Might be needing peeps next year
[08:39] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: oooh, things going that good then?
[08:39] <BigRedS> awesome
[08:39] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: If you're ever up in the NW, you might like this pub http://www.helterskelter-frodsham.co.uk/caskbeer.html
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: It is looking that way - it's been on the cards for sometime. Taking a little longer than I would have liked but I think, yes. we will be running out of bandwidth within a year
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: http://thesandrock.com/drink/corecaskalerange.htm
[08:41] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: ok will do :)  would a pic of a beer glass do instead ;)
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> There's 8 hand-pumps in my local - They are mostly always on too.
[08:42] <AlanBell> MooDoo: how is your python?
[08:42] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Sounds like a similar type of pub
[08:43] <MooDoo> AlanBell: pah my kryponite....i'm learning, but not up to a usable level.....come back and ask me next year.
[08:43] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: oh cool. well done! :)
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: This is my *other* local - I have two free houses within 10mins walk. http://www.thebatandball.co.uk/main/index.php
[08:43] <MooDoo> AlanBell: as good as my spelling
[08:43] <AlanBell> MooDoo: good enough :)
[08:45] <AlanBell> kiwicraig: I can't reproduce bug 879143
[08:45] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 879143 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "The app windows gets cut off at greater then 2050 pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879143
[08:51] <MooDoo> wow just spent £50 on fireworks :D
[08:52] <kiwicraig> AlanBell: Thanks for the feedback, I think that I will have to try a different video card and different monitor
[08:52] <bigcalm> MooDoo: http://www.myrant.net/2009/11/09/fireworks-fun-or-explosives-for-all/
[08:53] <MooDoo> thanks bigcalm mr old and jumpy ;)
[08:53] <bigcalm> \o/
[08:55] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:56] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey brobostigon
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer and BigRedS
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:57] <MooDoo> bigcalm: well my son loved them last year, and i only bought a teeny box to gauge his reaction so i've gone for a bigger box this year :S
[08:57] <MooDoo> :)
[08:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm in your neck-of-the-woods this weekend. Bro-in-law is having a 50th halloween party in Hornton.
[08:57] <kiwicraig> Good night all
[08:57] <MooDoo> night kiwicraig :)
[08:59] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: who was that directed to?
[08:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sorry - you brobostigon
[08:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.hornton.org.uk/
[08:59] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: ah, :). i have an empty weekend, eccept for this afternoon.
[09:04] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: what do you have in mind?
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: Dunno - was just saying I am going to my brother-in-law's 50th Halloween party.
[09:06] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: reinedeer in town, has a mini beer fest, so maybe we could meet for a beer.?
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I doubt I will have time. Won't be there till 5pm tomorrow - get the kids fed and watered, get dressed up, get pissed, sleep, get up drive home. :-(
[09:08] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: ah, i see. ohwell.
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did everyone just see popey's tweet?
[09:12]  * brobostigon looks.
[09:13] <oimon> popey: tell more!
[09:13] <oimon> and congrats :)
[09:13] <MooDoo> not here :S
[09:13] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: don't scare me like that. I thought something horrible had happened to Claire
[09:14] <MooDoo> ah that explains it, i'm not following popey, but CONGRATS, awesome news.....
[09:14] <oimon> i seriously considered the sysadmin role @ canonical, yet decided against due to home working probably not being for me right now (young sprogling)
[09:14] <MooDoo> oimon: is that what popey is doing?
[09:15] <oimon> he hasn't specified the position yet
[09:15] <oimon> he's prob on a coffee run or something :P
[09:15] <AlanBell> he left the not-canonical launchpad team yesterday :)
[09:15] <bigcalm> Ah, tea boy for Canonical then?
[09:16] <MooDoo> bigcalm: step up from SAP then ;)
[09:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:20] <Laney> :-)
[09:20] <MooDoo> morning Laney
[09:21] <Laney> alright?
[09:21] <MooDoo> Laney: aye not bad, hearing people getting new jobs is a downer though ;) lol
[09:21] <Laney> been applying?
[09:21] <MooDoo> Laney: no now shuush :)
[09:21] <Laney> well then :P
[09:26] <MooDoo> Laney: i have applied for a couple lol
[09:26] <MooDoo> Laney: canonical turned me down ;)
[09:27] <Laney> how rude
[09:27] <Laney> you should move to arch!
[09:27] <MooDoo> Laney: what leave vista ;)
[09:27] <oimon> MooDoo: which role specifically do u want
[09:27] <oimon>  / looking for
[09:28] <MooDoo> oimon: nothing specific right now, it's just looking season :)  after 20+ years a complete change might be in order....i'll probably stay where i am for ever lol
[09:29] <oimon> my job ad should be online soon :P
[09:29] <MooDoo> oimon: what you looking for?
[09:29] <oimon> helpful linux geek who likes learning new things
[09:30] <MooDoo> oimon: i fit that bill as long as learning new things involves drinking beer techniques ;)
[09:30] <oimon> sort of person who can become competent in things quickly such as puppet, drupal, spacewalk etc , or whatever needs learning
[09:30] <MooDoo> oimon: sounds good :)
[09:31] <oimon> it's a dream role for linuxy people IMO
[09:31] <MooDoo> oimon: you would say that ;)
[09:31] <MooDoo> but i would agree lol
[09:31] <christel> hehe
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Really torn between the Galaxy Note & Nexus: blog.clove.co.uk/2011/10/28/samsung-galaxy-note-demo-video/
[09:32] <daubers> spacewalk?
[09:32] <MooDoo> linux systems management
[09:33] <daubers> Oh, YASAT
[09:33] <daubers> or better YASMT
[09:33] <MooDoo> a redhat thing at one point if i remember rightly, hmmm wonder if my account still works?
[09:34] <oimon> although there is a possibility all our linux desktops will switch to ubuntu in a couplee of years
[09:34] <MooDoo> oimon: what you got now?  fedora?
[09:34] <oimon> Scientific linux
[09:34] <oimon> fedora has too short life span per release
[09:35] <MooDoo> yeah....
[09:35]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just added The Dalai Lama to his circles.
[09:35] <MooDoo> still it's a beefy miricle :D
[09:35] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: expect lots of bleating
[09:35] <oimon> maybe i'll just buy the t-shirt
[09:36] <MooDoo> oimon: :)   lots ot UK ambassadors want one :) lol
[09:37] <oimon> i can't see how fedora can be useful
[09:38] <MooDoo> oimon: i use it at work and on a machine at home, still using F13 at work and it seems fine for what i use it for
[09:38] <BigRedS> oimon: it seems loved by people who want a polished and finished-looking desktop without the hand-holding of ubuntu
[09:38] <oimon> f13 is EOL
[09:38] <BigRedS> well, teh subset of those who can stand yum
[09:38] <MooDoo> oimon: i know :) still it's ok as a desktop machine...
[09:39] <oimon> no security updates :o
[09:39] <jpds> oimon: "person who can become competent in things quickly" - you don't need a job to do that. ;)
[09:39] <MooDoo> oimon: i'll upgrade eventually, don't see the need to at the moment
[09:45] <oimon> but...security?
[09:47] <MooDoo> oimon: yes it's important and maybe i'm being blarsay [however you spell it] about it all or naive but .... [finding something to say here]
[09:48] <MooDoo> oimon: pah damn you, where is that F15 disk
[09:49] <oimon> blasé
[09:49] <MooDoo> yes that's the one.
[09:49] <MooDoo> spelling when you're stressed sucks.
[09:49] <oimon> naïve ? not sure about that one though
[09:50] <oimon> yep , one i , two dots :)
[09:50]  * MooDoo shuts up now! :)
[09:51]  * oimon stops multitasking and unitasks on his paid work
[09:51] <oimon> wonder if we'll see less of popey now he's joined the light side of the force
[09:52] <MooDoo> oimon: stop yabbering and get on with your work :D
[09:52] <DJones> Has anybody had issues with pidgin not starting up properly, I've got the icon in the unity bar, but probably 4 out 5 times, I have to close & exit it & kep restarting it to get the buddy list on screen
[09:52] <DJones> On 11.10
[09:55] <mattt> happy friday!@
[09:55] <MooDoo> same to you :D
[09:57] <popey> Morning all
[09:57] <MooDoo> popey: morning mr canonical man ;) think you better spill before you get lynched ;)
[09:58] <dogmatic69> sup popey
[09:58] <popey> hah
[09:59] <Seeker`> popey: did you get any sleep last night?
[09:59] <popey> about 5 hours
[09:59] <popey> usual :D
[09:59] <Seeker`> not too terrible then
[10:05] <directhex> i've been going to bed earlier lately
[10:05] <directhex> actually, that's a lie
[10:05] <directhex> i've been stopping playing games due to tiredness earlier, but still loitering online until 2am
[10:05] <directhex> close enough!
[10:07] <daubers> Heh, I've been going to bed later again
[10:07] <iclebyte> regarding the spacewalk comment above, does any one know if there was any more movement on the implementation of deb support within spacewalk? Last I read there was a student taking it on but I don't know if it got any further?
[10:08] <daubers> More to try and get my backlog of rubbish done
[10:10] <MooDoo> iclebyte: https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/Deb_support_in_spacewalk this help?
[10:10] <jacobw> heresy
[10:10] <MooDoo> ?
[10:11] <iclebyte> YES =)
[10:11] <iclebyte> thanks.
[10:11]  * jacobw has just scrolled forward several days
[10:11] <jacobw> 'tis the danger of screen
[10:12] <MooDoo> lol
[10:13] <MooDoo> iclebyte: no probs :)
[10:15] <dogmatic69> ive set up a reverse proxy so i have all my name servers pointing to one server and that redirects the request to correct server. is there a way to revers proxy ssh connections?
[10:18]  * BigRedS can never remember which way round a 'forward' proxy is
[10:19] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[10:19]  * daubers needs more sockets under his desk :-s
[10:20] <directhex> daubers, i don't have any at all. there's an extension cable running across the floor
[10:21] <daubers> directhex: snap :) Might hang another one off ths one
[10:22]  * daubers is very safety concious
[10:22] <directhex> er... yeah
[10:22] <directhex> there's a 2-way across the floor, with two 6-ways plugged into it :)
[10:22] <popey> BigRedS: glad its not just me
[10:22] <daubers> At the moment it's running 2 screens, my desktop and a powerbook G4
[10:22] <directhex> this is running two pcs with everything
[10:22] <oimon> iclebyte: we nearly implemented spacewalk but ended up deciding on puppet. install OS via PXE and then use puppet to deal with supplementary configs. works across distros nicely
[10:23] <iclebyte> oimon, we are running puppet - well slowing migrating to it. How are you managing package updates? Do you set all your packages to '=>latest' within puppet then control your own repository? if so how do you migrate packages into the new repo?
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> right then.
[10:24] <oimon> iclebyte: package updates are managed via a cron.daily
[10:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer heads to the station for an afternoon of beer and merryment,
[10:24] <iclebyte> automatically!?
[10:24] <oimon> which is standard in SL. does a yum upgrade (excluding kernel)
[10:25] <AlanBell> have fun TheOpenSourcerer
[10:25] <iclebyte> you allow automatic updates on your servers?
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Something to read everyone: http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/28/white-paper-secure-boot-impact-on-linux/
[10:25] <oimon> SL updates are security updates only
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks AlanBell
[10:25] <oimon> so, yes
[10:25] <iclebyte> sorry what's an 'SL update' ?
[10:25] <oimon> scientific linux "updates repository"
[10:26] <iclebyte> oh.
[10:26] <oimon> although once openoffice updated from 2.3 -> 3.1 due to a security update..bit of a shock
[10:26] <iclebyte> i'd still like a dashboard to show me the package status of all our servers.
[10:26]  * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer
[10:26] <oimon> the seucrity fix was not available on the old version
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes popey
[10:27] <iclebyte> yea that's the kind of thing that worries me. the best idea i've drawn up is have 3 puppet servers, dev, test, prod then promoting them via git, but this means I still need to control which repo they install from
[10:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: be quick or email/phone/dm me on twitter in 20m
[10:27] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: was just a friendly tickle
[10:28] <iclebyte> I can't seem to find any 'accepted solution' for this server management, just blogs with people saying 'we test first' etc.
[10:28] <popey> CANT A MAN TICKLE ANOTHER MAN ANYMORE!
[10:28] <oimon> no
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:28] <popey> :D
[10:28]  * bigcalm demands tickles
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> tee hee
[10:28] <bigcalm> And a pot noodle
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> no stop it.
[10:28] <iclebyte> bigcalm, bombay bad boy?
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> NO I MEAN REALLY STOP IT!
[10:28] <oimon> iclebyte: what distro on the server?
[10:28]  * TheOpenSourcerer runs away. laterz.
[10:28] <iclebyte> ubuntu-server 10.04LTS we run on all boxes
[10:28] <MooDoo> man tickles are so wrong :)
[10:28] <iclebyte> about 40
[10:28] <bigcalm> iclebyte: beef and tom with soysauce and tabasco
[10:29] <iclebyte> bigcalm, never thought about introducing tabasco
[10:29] <iclebyte> good idea tho
[10:29] <bigcalm> Doesn't need much
[10:29] <bigcalm> 2-3 drops
[10:29] <iclebyte> I watched someone do a shot of tobasco once.
[10:29] <bigcalm> Or half a bottle if you are TheOpenSourcerer
[10:29] <oimon> a cleaner drank a bottle once for £120
[10:29] <popey> !
[10:30] <oimon> goaded by bullying traders
[10:30] <bigcalm> :(
[10:30] <daubers> Don't think would cover the medical bills somehow...
[10:30] <iclebyte> i can see that happening with traders.
[10:30] <popey> There was a restaurant in Denmark I went to where they had _massive_ tabasco bottles
[10:30] <oimon> he had been taking pics of stately homes and sending them to his wife in africa saying that he lived there
[10:30] <popey> like 2 Litre
[10:30] <popey> same shape as normal ones
[10:30] <iclebyte> oimon, any more ideas on my server management issues?
[10:30] <daubers> popey: and you downed it in one?
[10:30] <popey> hah, no
[10:31] <popey> iclebyte: what kind of server management?
[10:31] <oimon> RHEL/SL/centos update policy makes me fell more cosy
[10:31]  * popey heartily recommends Landscape ;)
[10:31] <oimon> except the puppet client in EPEL got updated
[10:31] <Laney> hah
[10:31] <oimon> how much is landscape
[10:32] <oimon> popey no longer has to say "other server management tools are available"
[10:32] <bigcalm> popey: are you now a corporate shill?
[10:32] <iclebyte> yea i'm basically looking for something like landscape, but important packages need to be tested before hand, so I need some kind of staging repo.
[10:32]  * oimon missed the bit where popey tells us his new job title
[10:32] <iclebyte> then manually allow packages through into the main repo.
[10:33] <MooDoo> oimon: he hasn't yet, unless we're right and it's tea boy :)
[10:33]  * Laney saw it on the twoot box
[10:33] <oimon> till dolly in ubuntu shop in japan
[10:33] <oimon> Laney: ah yes
[10:33] <DJones> MooDoo: Are sure they've not just put him in charge of dealing with bugs submitted via launchpad, after all, most of them will be ones he's reported :)
[10:33] <popey> Engineering Manager oimon
[10:33] <BigRedS> he's head of closing mailings lists, I hear :)
[10:34] <popey> bigcalm: not until monday
[10:34] <Laney> which engineers?
[10:34] <kirrus> oimon: you have to buy Ubuntu Advantage, which begins at £202.11 per server
[10:34] <Laney> put the buttons back! (et cetera)
[10:34] <oimon> kirrus: academic pricing?
[10:35] <kirrus> oimon: you'll have to contact them to find that out
[10:35] <iclebyte> what's 202 per server?
[10:35] <oimon> Redhat practically give away their RHEL servers to edu
[10:35] <kirrus> oimon: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=41_39
[10:36]  * daubers os considering setting up a 2 node eucalyptus type thing
[10:36] <MooDoo> oimon: don't pay, use centos instead, pretty much the same
[10:36] <oimon> MooDoo: yeah, use SL
[10:37] <oimon> community is nicer than centos
[10:37] <oimon> until centos 6 got delayed and they came over to SL
[10:37] <oimon> now more arguments on teh ML
[10:37] <MooDoo> oimon: SL just another rebranded RHEL? compiled from it's source?
[10:38] <oimon> MooDoo: yep.
[10:38] <MooDoo> if i'm reading it right on the site
[10:38] <popey> same as centos
[10:38] <popey> but seems more active to me
[10:38] <oimon> they usually manage it quicker
[10:38] <oimon> and more serious users
[10:38] <MooDoo> might have to give it a try, replace my centos boxen :)
[10:38] <BigRedS> yeah, it has moer people working on it than CentOS
[10:38] <oimon> more professional users in the community than the centos noobs :P
[10:39] <BigRedS> pros use debian
[10:39] <BigRedS> er, ubuntu
[10:39] <BigRedS> oops
[10:39] <oimon> Redhat derivs historically have better support for crappy raid cards and server hardware
[10:39] <oimon> and Dell OMSA
[10:39] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[10:40] <oimon> but most of my stuff is inside vmware nowadays.
[10:40]  * MooDoo has a fondness for fedora,centos,rhel :)
[10:40] <MooDoo> yay vmware :D
[10:40] <oimon> sure u don't want a job ;)
[10:40]  * MooDoo hugs his esxi server :D
[10:40]  * iclebyte hugs his conviture setup
[10:41] <MooDoo> my only wish is that i had a 64bit cpu in my home server so i can upgrade to esxi 4 :D
[10:47] <MooDoo> oh congratulation anyway popey :D
[10:47] <popey> hehe
[10:47] <popey> :D
[10:47] <popey> thanks
[10:47] <MooDoo> no more SAP eh! bet that's a relief :)
[10:47] <popey> Like you wouldn't believe!
[10:47] <oimon> no more iRc ?
[10:48] <daubers> popey: It's ok, I'll give the missus your phone number for when she gets stuck :)
[10:50] <Daviey> oh popey, you fool :)
[10:54] <TOSDroid> Farnham, Ash Vale, North Camp, Redhill, Merstham.  WE are Alan
[11:04] <AlanBell> resistance is futile
[11:04] <MooDoo> ok thanks, that's explained it ;)
[11:04] <MooDoo> nanoo nanoo
[11:04] <oimon> sounds like one of his chickens escaped
[11:05] <popey> Shazbut
[11:05] <TOSDroid> Shazbut?
[11:05] <MooDoo> mork and mindy
[11:06] <TOSDroid> Omg
[11:07] <TOSDroid> W00t Ash Vale already. Now to walk quickly to north camp...
[11:09] <popey> nice walk that
[11:10] <bigcalm> Yay lunch time is here
[11:10]  * bigcalm ventures into the rest of his cold cold house
[11:12] <popey> that well known black hole between Ash Vale and North Camp has TOSDroid
[11:14] <Daviey> Ash Vale is right next to the ranges, right?
[11:18] <popey> not far yeah
[11:18] <TOSDroid> At north camp.
[11:30] <TOSDroid> Train for redhill approaching...
[12:00] <oimon> bizarrely, my insurance renewal quote seems to be in the region of other re-quotes :-\ quite unusual
[12:01] <DJones> Maybe you've hit the maximum insurance quote :)
[12:11] <Laney> anyone know how to boot wubi without splash?
[12:13] <oimon> just had to run down 10 flights of stairs then up again cos the lift has a habit of trapping people :(
[12:13] <jpds> oimon: At least it was down and not up.
[12:13] <oimon> i did down and then up
[12:14] <oimon> all for a drink to have with my lunch :-\
[12:14] <oimon> i want those calories back...i need them
[12:23] <davmor2> morning all
[12:25] <davmor2> popey: you working for us now?
[12:27] <iclebyte> any of you guys use any forums targeted at enterprise networking/sysadmin topics?
[12:31] <awilkins> Just the StackExchange ones
[12:31] <awilkins> But I don't really hit the sysadmin bits, mostly programming
[12:33]  * mattt just taped black garbage backs against the windows in the office
[12:34] <mattt> *bags
[12:34] <mattt> wonder how long before the building managers tell me to take them down :P
[12:36] <oimon> iclebyte: ars technica "server room" forum , although they tend to focus on Virtualisation a lot
[12:36] <oimon> mattt: why? want some sleep?
[12:37] <mattt> oimon: far too bright :/
[12:37] <oimon> wear shades dude
[12:37] <oimon> B-)
[12:38] <mattt> nah
[12:38] <mattt> now i just need to unscrew these bulbs
[12:39] <oimon> or get a cameraman's shade thing between you and the monitor :)
[12:39] <iclebyte> ok thanks chaps.
[12:50] <MooDoo> oimon: doing alright, got good grades, future is so bright, i gotta wear shades....
[12:56] <daubers> Anybody  got any good resources on altering SVG's with JS?
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: you can do that using the DOM, just like HTML
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> getElementById
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[12:57] <daubers> Hmmm.. is that the easiest way?
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> I doubt it :)
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: This looks like it does what you want and more: http://svgkit.sourceforge.net/
[12:59] <daubers> Hmmm... that might do
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> Argh, why doesn't sshd on Lucid understand ecdsa keys
[13:36] <MooDoo> home time yet
[13:37] <danfish> a100
[13:38] <danfish> oops
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> danfish: isn't that a little short for a password? :)
[13:40] <mattt> MartijnVdS: :P
[13:56] <popey>  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/28/stallman_criticises_steve_jobs_again/
[13:56] <popey> \o/
[13:56] <MooDoo> he's not evil, he's really evil :)
[13:57]  * MartijnVdS waits for popey's "Leave Steve Jobs alone!!" video on Youtube
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> and someone else's "Leave Stallman alone!!" reply video
[13:58] <DJones> MooDoo: Which one is the really evil one though, Steve Jobs or RMS ?
[13:59] <BigRedS> presumably Steve isn't very evil any more
[13:59] <popey> ooooh thats a good idea MartijnVdS
[14:00] <DJones> If you make the video though, RMS will cross you off his Christmas card list :)
[14:00]  * MartijnVdS makes the video
[14:01]  * bigcalm shivers a little bit more
[14:01]  * DJones assumes bigcalm's heating is broken
[14:02] <danfish> MartijnVdS: that's one of my longer passwords :D
[14:02] <bigcalm> DJones: I've been tweet-moaning about it all day
[14:03] <DJones> I noticed one tweet earlier
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> twomplaining?
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> twoaning?
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[14:04] <bigcalm> Only have one number for my Land Lady and she isn't answering it
[14:04] <Pendulum> bigcalm: go for a run?
[14:04] <bigcalm> Pendulum: think I'll stick to moaning :P
[14:05] <Pendulum> bigcalm: also, layer jumpers
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> Running helps to keep warm
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> I've run in -10°C and it was amazing :)
[14:05] <DJones> Perhaps she's on twitter and looks for the hashtag #landladyfromhell
[14:05] <bigcalm> Pendulum: plenty of extra layers on :)
[14:06] <bigcalm> DJones: she's a very nice lady who has done improvements to the house without raising rent. Rarely hear from her as well
[14:06] <bigcalm> Just tricky to get a hold of :)
[14:07] <DJones> Hope you get it sorted before the weekend
[14:08] <bigcalm> Would be nice, though looking unlikely now :|
[14:10] <mattt> heating already?
[14:10] <mattt> s'beautiful out
[14:11] <mattt> lies, i've had my heating on once this year already :(
[14:11] <mattt> *soft*
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> mattt: back in January, amirite?
[14:21] <mattt> MartijnVdS: pssh!
[14:21] <mattt> a week or two back :P
[15:14] <buzz_> gord, are you involved with unity 2d or just 3d ?
[15:15] <buzz_> has anyone apart from me tried it on 800x480 screen. in fact the new ubuntu software manager is also pretty unusable on a smaller display. but unity2d does not work for this size device
[15:16] <oimon> buzz_: i tried it on a eee pc..it was pretty unusable. ironic really since it gre out of the netbook edition
[15:17] <buzz_> i basically just made a oneiric image for the o2 joggler to try. its certainly less usable than the classic interface
[15:18] <buzz_> the overlay scrollbars are also tricky on touchscreen. ok so they can be turned off
[15:18] <buzz_> also, the new onboard version got themes, but the fact is, it is slow to use. it doesnt respond quickly to presses. and oneiric killed florence from the repos, rather than compiling without gnome2 panel supoprt so i had to rebuild packages for that
[15:19] <buzz_> florence is a much better keyboard imho
[15:19] <buzz_> oimon, the old netbook remix interface was very usable on this device.. and the only issues were gnome/window manager related, as there are lots of things that gnome does badly on small screens
[15:20] <buzz_> but for finding and launching apps, it was quick and easy
[15:22] <buzz_> anyway, im not going to do any further work on this image for the joggler. and release it as is. instead I will go for lxde + lxlauncher or so http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXLauncher
[15:23] <DJones> I must have missed this yesterday, Dell selling preloaded Ubuntu machines in China http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/27/retail-stores-in-china/
[15:34] <awilkins> Oh my, the Richard Stallman tour rider got onto Slashdot
[15:35] <nymwar> tour rider?
[15:35] <Azelphur> I looked at it but I don't really think it's that crazy
[15:35] <Azelphur> I know lots of people that don't eat breakfast, it's not exactly uncommon
[15:36] <Azelphur> and I wouldn't want supervision crossing streets either xD
[15:38] <MooDoo> Azelphur: i read that as crossing streams....ghostbusters!!!!! :)
[15:38] <Azelphur> lol
[15:38] <buzz_> does it say "will require pasty or pie to eat during speech and tea"
[15:38]  * buzz_ reas
[15:38] <buzz_> reads
[15:38] <jacobw> it sounds like he'd be better off not mentioning parrots at all
[15:39] <buzz_> yeh hes got tea.. takes his own teabags. like me on holiday hehe
[15:39] <Azelphur> I like parrots too :o
[15:39] <jacobw> i've never met a parrot, i've met a sloth though
[15:39] <Azelphur> is it bad that I share so many similarities with RMS? lol
[15:40] <Azelphur> had parrots in the family since I was born, all my life, so I'm very much a parrot person
[15:40] <Azelphur> I'm about as close to the parrot whisperer as you're going to get xD
[15:40] <jacobw> do they whisper back?  Also, it's payday :D
[16:08]  * oimon checks
[16:08] <MooDoo> for me too :D
[16:08] <popey> \o/ pay day
[16:08]  * daubers watches all his money waltz out of his account to the DSA :(
[16:09] <bigcalm> 14th of the month is my pay day :(
[16:09] <bigcalm> Also, I never notice it
[16:10] <daubers> bigcalm: This is an exciting payday as it marks the point I can afford all my motorbike tests
[16:11] <daubers> I could goto the bike show this year and lust after a pan euro again
[16:12] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:12] <bigcalm> daubers: good show :)
[16:13] <AlanBell> is that what BigRedS has?
[16:14] <MooDoo> daubers: i'm glad it was only cbt and then test when i did it :D
[16:14] <kirrus> AlanBell: afaik, yes
[16:14] <kirrus> he's on it right now though
[16:15] <daubers> MooDoo: Done the CBT and theory. 2 practicals left
[16:15] <daubers> I want a pan euro and about a month off work to go riding around europe :)
[16:15] <MooDoo> daubers: i did my bike tests in '94 :D
[16:15] <daubers> Bah, I was 9 then :P
[16:16] <MooDoo> lol
[16:16] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:18] <AlanBell> I was 19
[16:18] <MooDoo> pah i'm nearly 40 :(
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> aww
[16:57] <diplo> evening all
[16:58] <popey> pip pip
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[17:02] <bigcalm> hip-hop
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> bow wow
[17:07] <daubers> Quick poll: Chinese/Indian/Himalayan?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> Tea?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> Himalayan :)
[17:08] <daubers> Yup, no missus, so just me, a takeaway, some beers, crouching tiger hidden dragon and some java tutorials
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> My favourite radio is celebrating its 5-year existence with a 12 hour long broadcast :)
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:09] <daubers> heh
[17:15] <daubers> dinner ordered
[17:19] <mattt> what'd you get
[17:25] <daubers> Himalayan
[17:25] <daubers> Just off to collect it now :)
[17:31] <danfish> Himalayan - nepalesy I presume? Loversley
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> napalmese?
[17:36] <daubers> danfish: Inded
[17:36] <daubers> Indeedy :)
[17:41] <danfish> A friend of mine who was in the army has a copy of the Ghurka section of the army cookbook
[17:41] <daubers> Cool
[17:41] <daubers> The himalayan place is run by some ex Gurkhas
[17:41] <danfish> every recipe starts with 'stred 30 chilis'
[17:42] <daubers> heh
[17:42] <danfish> I'm not sure of the licencing of it, but I've got a scanned copy somewhere.....
[17:43] <daubers> How many does that cook for though
[17:44] <danfish> a 'company', howver many that is
[17:45] <daubers> A fair few
[17:56] <diplo> Congrats popey
[17:57] <diplo> Can you share what your role is ? Not seen it specifically on any of G+ posts
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> chief podcast officer? :P
[17:57] <diplo> :E
[17:58] <diplo> Been meaning to ask you what you do as a job MartijnVdS
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> diplo: Perl programmer at XS4ALL (Dutch ISP)
[17:58] <diplo> I've heard of them, probably from places like irc in hostnames :)
[17:59] <diplo> I went for a job as perl programmer before
[17:59] <diplo> Really wasn't good enough to read job post let alone apply for job :P
[17:59] <diplo> My perl gets me by i guess
[18:00] <diplo> Used to write a lot of automated reports / analysis for my last place
[18:01] <diplo> and a CCTV system that used perl scripts to automate everything
[18:01] <diplo> Was probably my best work with perl :/
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> I write parts of the backend systems, provisioning database, etc.
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> and lots of associated "toolkit" libraries
[18:04] <diplo> nice
[18:21] <ali1234> azelphur: how would the parrot notice you opening your eyes if it has it's eyes closed?
[18:21] <Azelphur> you close them first :P
[18:36] <diplo> popey, you still involved with lug.org.uk ?
[18:38] <stevepdp> evening all
[18:38] <popey> diplo: ya
[18:39] <popey> diplo: Engineering Manager
[18:39] <diplo> How hard is it to get a subdomain re-established ?
[18:39] <diplo> oh and nice
[18:40] <diplo> Joined Bristol lug mailing list recently and noticed they have talked about it, reminded me you were involved. thought i'd ask and pass along
[18:44] <popey> very easy
[18:44] <popey> you want bristol.lug.org.uk to point somewhere?
[18:44] <popey> if so, thats 5 mins work, just get them to email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:45] <diplo> Will do squire, guessed it would be.. just wasn't sure if there was an official form ( Not been involved before ) :)
[18:45] <diplo> thanks
[18:51] <popey> np
[18:52] <daubers> popey: Does that make you the canonical version of Scotty?
[18:52] <daubers> WIll you be yelling "We just cannae dee it sabdfl, we dunna have the poower!"
[18:53]  * AlanBell hides his stash of dilithium crystals
[18:53] <daubers> AlanBell: That's not dilithium, also, the police where rooting around the hen house :p
[18:56] <popey> does http://popey.com/+ work for you guys?
[18:57] <popey> should take you to my "new" google+ profile
[18:57] <daubers> yup
[18:57] <popey> ta
[19:01] <daubers> I always thought sil would have made a good scotty
[19:01] <nperry> popey: it doesn't because irssi doesn't think + is part of the url
[19:02] <funkyHat> s/irssi/your terminal emulator/
[19:02] <popey> http://popey.com/plus then :D
[19:02]  * popey foresaw this
[19:02]  * funkyHat registers wiggl.ie so he can have the url http://wiggl.ie/worms
[19:02] <AlanBell> 404 popey
[19:02] <nperry> forward thinking++
[19:03] <popey> erk
[19:03]  * nperry wonders what diaspora is looking like these days
[19:04] <popey> fixed?
[19:04] <popey> looks a lot like an empty google+
[19:04] <nperry> Yes :)
[19:05] <nperry> The yes was an answer to the fixed question.
[19:05] <daubers> funkyHat: I have a 26" one of those! Was given it as a birthday present
[19:05] <popey> yay
[19:05] <daubers> funkyHat: http://www.firebox.com/product/2928/Giant-Gummi-Worm
[19:07] <funkyHat> oh my
[19:08] <nperry> Ah, how I love firebox
[19:08]  * popey hugs nperry
[19:09] <daubers> I have no idea what to do with this worm. It's 4000 calories
[19:10]  * popey hugs Laney
[19:10] <Laney> GREETINGS!
[19:10] <popey> wow
[19:10] <popey> Laney: see you next week :D
[19:10] <Laney> you coming after all?
[19:10] <Laney> or was it one of those secret things
[19:10] <popey> flight booked today
[19:10] <Laney> phwoar, bet that was cheap
[19:10] <popey> i only knew I was coming this morning
[19:11] <popey> got a fly-drive deal
[19:11] <Laney> i found an amusingly named beer to bring with me
[19:11] <Laney> also marmite
[19:11] <popey> ooooo
[19:11] <popey> I will also bring marmite
[19:11] <popey> maybe some XO
[19:12] <Laney> no, bring something else!
[19:12] <popey> I have squeezy marmite
[19:12] <popey> oh ok
[19:12] <Laney> real tea
[19:12] <popey> heh
[19:12] <Laney> coronation street
[19:12] <Laney> queues
[19:12] <Laney> red double decker
[19:12] <popey> tutting
[19:12] <popey> ok, will go to shops to find most british thing i ...
[19:12] <Laney> i was going to buy XO, but decided it was Xcsessive
[19:12] <popey> actually, I'll ask twitter
[19:12] <Laney> 3.99 and it comes in a ruddy presentation box
[19:13] <popey> its also a little overrated
[19:13] <popey> and the lid sticks like superglue
[19:13] <popey> ok, tweeted
[19:14] <popey> how long before someone complains that I said English and not British?
[19:14] <Laney> just said goodbye to the missus for the week and i am feeling surprisingly :(
[19:14] <Laney> when did i get whipped?
[19:14] <popey> when do you fly out?
[19:15] <Laney> tomorrow
[19:15] <popey> ahh
[19:15] <Laney> she has gone away for the weekend
[19:15] <popey> 11am London?
[19:15] <Laney> manx
[19:15] <popey> ah
[19:15] <Laney> 1345
[19:15] <popey> <- 11 on monday
[19:15] <Laney> aha
[19:15] <popey> oh got some ace suggestions!
[19:15] <popey> cricket bats
[19:15] <popey> a morris dancer
[19:16] <Laney> you'll miss the debian session!
[19:16] <popey> crumpets
[19:16] <popey> dairy milk
[19:16] <popey> i feel an etherpad coming on
[19:16] <popey> monarchy
[19:16] <popey> a duck
[19:17] <popey> wine gums
[19:17] <Laney> bull terrier
[19:17] <daubers> popey: Don't take a kinder egg, they're not allowed in the US
[19:17] <popey> lol, a wheel of stilton
[19:17] <popey> O RLY?
[19:18] <daubers> yup, toy in a food item designed for minors
[19:18] <AlanBell> "what can we get popey to bring that will cause customs to get the rubber gloves out?"
[19:18] <daubers> AlanBell: Those "dilithium" crystals ;-)
[19:19] <daubers> AlanBell: Or you just write "CENSORED" on his chest in lead paint for the millimeter wave scanners
[19:19] <Laney> bag of clocks
[19:20]  * Laney bikes home, brb
[19:21] <daubers> Laney: One of these http://tinyurl.com/6jf8r5f
[19:22] <daubers> popey: If you wanted to take something thats missing in the US, you could just take some common sense
[19:23] <AlanBell> but where will he find any of that?
[19:23] <daubers> AlanBell: He could take me!
[19:23] <daubers> (or would that reduce the amount of common sense?)
[19:24] <popey> A list is forming!
[19:24] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WhatShouldPopeyTakeToTheUSA
[19:25] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers_phenomenon
[19:25] <ali1234> daubers ^
[19:26] <daubers> ali1234: I see :p
[19:26] <AlanBell> a win-win situation \o/
[19:26] <TOSDroid> Discussing hosting fees with a customer whilst drunk. Good idea?
[19:27] <AlanBell> TOSDroid: well, as the customer is drunk too, yes :)
[19:28]  * nperry msgs TOSDroid for some hosting.
[19:36] <mgdm> I see everyone has migrated to Etherpad :)
[19:37] <popey> i love the internet
[19:37] <daubers> heh
[19:37] <gordonjcp> mgdm: hi, and yes
[19:38] <mgdm> evening, gordonjcp :)
[19:38] <ali1234> al@al-desktop:~/.gvfs$ rsync share\ on\ hd-htgl205/ backups\ on\ ix2-200-dc386f/share/
[19:38] <ali1234> skipping directory .
[19:39] <TOSDroid> Waiting at merstham station for a train...
[19:39] <TOSDroid> Am quite tipsy...
[19:40] <TOSDroid> Mustn't lose my beer glass.
[19:41] <TOSDroid> Will I make last orders at the local?
[19:41] <TOSDroid> Swype for the win
[19:42] <TOSDroid> Train delayed. Oh no.
[19:42] <Laney> wow
[19:43] <Laney> quite a crew going on that list
[19:43] <TOSDroid> So. Gnome shell our Unity?
[19:44] <awilkins> Can't speak for Gnome shell
[19:44] <TOSDroid> *or
[19:45] <TOSDroid> "ohh train.
[19:47] <TOSDroid> VU
[19:47] <TOSDroid> Wtf
[19:47] <TOSDroid> Redhill already.
[19:48] <gordonjcp> redhil
[19:49] <gordonjcp> *redhill
[19:49]  * DJones wonders how many beers TOSDroid "tested"
[19:49] <gordonjcp> man, this should be #ubuntu-ridiculously-southern-england
[19:50] <DJones> Nah, We're not all southern england
[19:51] <mgdm> heh
[19:51]  * bigcalm is very middle
[19:51]  * gordonjcp wonders who the most northerly #ubuntu-uker is
[19:51]  * bigcalm waves
[19:51] <DJones> Some aren't even England
[19:52] <dashroom> I'm quite northern
[19:52] <mgdm> gordonjcp: it used to be me
[19:52] <bigcalm> gordonjcp: mgdm?
[19:52] <mgdm> (at one point a while back)
[19:52] <mgdm> not any more, there's a chap from Inverness who shows up periodically
[19:52] <DJones> I'm North West, part way between Liverpool & Manchester
[19:52] <mgdm> "north"
[19:52] <mgdm> :)
[19:53] <mgdm> I once went to a conference called PHP North West, to which I had to travel over 300 miles south
[19:53] <TheBugcastDJ> I'm originally from the home counties, but now living in Yorkshire.
[19:53] <gordonjcp> mgdm: I think Myrtti has you beat, if she's in Tampere
[19:53] <mgdm> ah yes
[19:53] <gordonjcp> Liverpool is well south
[19:53] <bigcalm> I do love coming across T junctions in the highlands of Scotland that have a sign post saying nothing more than West & East
[19:54] <gordonjcp> Manchester is further than space
[19:54] <DJones> bigcalm: That reminds me of the signs in Australia, "Kangaroo's next 500km"
[19:56] <DJones> There's an odd one or two from Cumbria & an occasional North East person, but the channel does have a majority of southern based regulars
[19:56] <TOSDroid> Hmmm. Think I have 20m to wait ford the reading train
[19:57] <gordonjcp> mgdm: we need to start recording a podcast so we can have an unconference too
[19:57] <gordonjcp> mgdm: I think we should call it "Pissup In A Brewery"
[19:57] <TOSDroid> This it's boring
[19:58] <daubers> Isn't the majority of the population in the south though?
[19:58]  * awilkins is from the South, but lives in the North
[19:58] <dashroom> Northerners FTW
[19:58] <TOSDroid> The north it's full of northerners though.
[19:58] <dashroom> Exactly
[19:58] <DJones> Thats the way we like it though :)
[19:58] <daubers> TOSDroid: And scots
[19:58] <mgdm> gordonjcp: :D
[19:59] <mgdm> daubers: Oi
[19:59] <gordonjcp> the south is full of southerners
[19:59] <gordonjcp> they speak a weird incomprehensible language and behave really oddly
[19:59] <TOSDroid> North is cold and tactless
[19:59] <gordonjcp> it's like being in France but with crap cheese
[19:59] <dashroom> lollage
[20:00] <DJones> Heh, but together what do we all make.... Ubuntu-uk, can't see anything wrong with that
[20:00] <gordonjcp> at least in france you can drive at 130mph on the motorways
[20:01] <bigcalm> kph
[20:01] <bigcalm> 80ishmph
[20:01] <gordonjcp> yeah
[20:01] <gordonjcp> but if you get stopped you just point at it, look blankly at them and say "130, yes"
[20:01]  * bigcalm rolls his eyes
[20:01] <bigcalm> :P
[20:02] <daubers> mgdm: I actually like the majority of scots I've met. Just with that they'd BLOODY WELL CHEER UP!
[20:02] <TOSDroid> Good old tories want to change the speed linky here's took
[20:02] <gordonjcp> and "comprendez pas"
[20:02] <TOSDroid> Ooops swype fail
[20:02] <mgdm> daubers: I'm really cheerful, me!
[20:02] <gordonjcp> if you find the rare cop that speaks english, switch to gaelic
[20:02] <TOSDroid> Limit
[20:02] <daubers> mgdm: :p
[20:02] <gordonjcp> if they say "anglais", say "non, ecossais, vive six nations!"
[20:02] <TOSDroid> Here
[20:02] <TOSDroid> Too
[20:02] <gordonjcp> it's all good
[20:03] <TOSDroid> At least yours keeping me entertains whilst waiting gord my train
[20:04] <DJones> If it wasn't for the Scots, we wouldn't have some of my favourite things, Haggis & Whisky :)
[20:04] <DJones> TOSDroid: Did you have a good afternoon
[20:04] <diplo> Whisky maybe, but seriously Haggis ?
[20:04] <diplo> :D
[20:05] <awilkins> Ooh, haggis, neeps, and tatties. So going on the list.
[20:05] <DJones> All in favour of haggis? +1
[20:05] <mgdm> haggis is ace
[20:05] <mgdm> +1
[20:05] <TOSDroid> djones. Yes. :h
[20:05] <daubers> +1
[20:05] <dashroom> long live haggis
[20:05] <dashroom> +1
[20:05] <daubers> Best haggis I had was in a little pub somewhere in the middle of nowhere near loch lomond. I believe I was both lost and very hungry at the time
[20:06] <diplo> Really... Even my true scottish gran doesn't like it :)
[20:06] <TOSDroid> Gosh. Wtf it's haggis all about. Bit like tripe but packaged better
[20:06] <awilkins> Urrgh
[20:06] <gordonjcp> haggis ftw
[20:06] <mgdm> I quite fancy that for my tea, but I don' thave any
[20:06] <awilkins> At least Haggis has non-disposable bits of offal in it
[20:06] <gordonjcp> TOSDroid: it's a kind of spicy sausage, you've clearly never had any
[20:07] <awilkins> Intestinal linings are designed to wear out and be gone in days
[20:07] <daubers> TOSDroid: If you get it done well, with some nice mash and a bit of gravy you'll be in heaven
[20:07] <gordonjcp> aww yeah
[20:07] <daubers> Fantastic with a good pint of ale :)
[20:07] <gordonjcp> I want haggis now
[20:07] <DJones> daubers: Best haggis I had involved a lot of whisky as well, new years eve party, everybody in the house except me & a Scottish RSM drinking whisky all night in the garage/bar waiting for his pipers to come down the road at midnight
[20:07] <awilkins> Haggis, heart, lungs, liver, oats, spices, wrapped in a sheeps stomach
[20:07] <TOSDroid> I've just had a nice naga curry. Nom nom
[20:07] <gordonjcp> I just had some gyoza
[20:07] <daubers> DJones: Last time I drank whisky all night, it took me 5 hours to regain the ability to walk
[20:08] <awilkins> They call gyoza potstickers in the USA
[20:08] <TOSDroid> Don't really care what the matt was although out was supposed to new chicken
[20:08] <DJones> daubers: This party was next door to my house, I remember leaving next door (not what time) but don't remember getting home
[20:08] <daubers> heh :)
[20:08] <mgdm> gordonjcp: I suspect haggis is happening for tea on Sunday night
[20:08] <mgdm> (tomorrow's taken care of)
[20:08] <daubers> Speaking of whisky
[20:09] <DJones> Party at mgdm's on Sunday
[20:09] <mgdm> :D
[20:09] <TOSDroid> I have a halloween party tomorrow night.  Yipee
[20:10] <gordonjcp> mgdm: not sure of the specifics
[20:10] <TOSDroid> Then north camp to ash value
[20:11] <gordonjcp> the plan is to (possibly) dress up a bit and then go and sit in the noodle bar where it's warm and we have tasty noodles, and laugh at the people in the queue for the Garage
[20:11] <TOSDroid> Vale. Then farnham
[20:11] <mgdm> gordonjcp: tomorrow?
[20:11] <gordonjcp> yes
[20:11] <gordonjcp> wait, is tomorrow Saturday?
[20:11] <mgdm> can't make it, I'll be in Embra :(
[20:11] <mgdm> aye
[20:11] <gordonjcp> ah
[20:12] <mgdm> I've not been to the noodle bar yet
[20:12] <mgdm> that likely needs rectifiied
[20:12] <gordonjcp> I've been up since about 5am and I've driven 300-odd miles and sat in the hottest comms room in the history of radio equipment
[20:12] <gordonjcp> for like an hour, at 30°C
[20:12] <mgdm> eek
[20:12] <gordonjcp> I can't tell bum from breakfast time at the moment
[20:14] <TOSDroid> On a train. It's pointing the wrong way but I am assured it is the right one
[20:14] <awilkins> Is it in Reading?
[20:15] <TOSDroid> Is now going the right way.
[20:15] <awilkins> Used to get disturbed by trains pulling into Reading and then reversing out
[20:15] <TOSDroid> I was in redhill
[20:15] <TOSDroid> Just liebig now
[20:15] <TOSDroid> Leaving
[20:16] <TOSDroid> Think I will go and see whats happening in the twittersphere...
[20:17] <daubers> How did we miss welly wanging????
[20:18] <DJones> With a name like that, I'm glad I have missed miss welly wanging
[20:18] <mgdm> :D
[20:18] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellie_wanging
[20:18] <daubers> There's even an association
[20:19] <mgdm> gordonjcp: sod burns suppers, but I'm all for the consumption of haggis/neeps/tatties and whisky any time of the year - I think this should be arranged :)
[20:19] <daubers> If I was in the neck of the woods and whisky was to be drunk, I'd quite happily help
[20:20] <mgdm> s/Happy Hour/Haggis Hour/
[20:20] <mgdm> who's with me? :P
[20:20] <DJones> daubers: A bloke I worked with years ago won the world bog snorkeling championship one year
[20:21] <daubers> DJones: Excellent :D
[20:23] <gordonjcp> mgdm: I think you're right
[20:23] <daubers> popey: Is this list long enough and xenophobic enough yet?
[20:24] <popey> heh
[20:25] <Myrtti> d's friends always manage to coax me up by asking how many years of history Finland has... ahem. sorry bout that
[20:26] <daubers> Myrtti: I just love it when Americans talk of having a "Long and proud history"
[20:26] <Myrtti> ...
[20:27] <daubers> Myrtti: Also, Finland is lucky by having the Monty Python people write a song about them
[20:27]  * TOSDroid had something similar to welly ranging
[20:27] <gordonjcp> daubers: :-)
[20:27] <gordonjcp> daubers: I like to point out that I have a tree older than American history
[20:27] <Myrtti> Finland didn't have an established border until 1323
[20:27] <TOSDroid> It was %11
[20:28] <mgdm> "welly ranging" sounds like guided wellies, which is just cheating
[20:28] <mgdm> though I have to say that I like the idea of a laser-guided custard-filled welly
[20:28] <TOSDroid> This is a hot train. Heaters on full blast... Phew
[20:29] <daubers> Myrtti: First european settlers in america was 1492 or something
[20:30] <TOSDroid> I sat on a flight back from the states once and the last next to me was surprised they built windsor castle on the flight path
[20:30] <Myrtti> pretty much about 100-200 years before there was any literature in Finnish
[20:30] <daubers> Myrtti: You have the advantage of being intelligent
[20:30] <daubers> Myrtti: More than makes up for it
[20:31] <TOSDroid> Ladyp
[20:33] <TOSDroid> Hmmm
[20:33] <TOSDroid> Trains and irc dont work too
[20:33] <TOSDroid> Well
[20:35] <TOSDroid> Anyone there?
[20:35] <Myrtti> mm
[20:35] <DJones> Yup
[20:35] <TOSDroid> Ok
[20:35] <TOSDroid> Thought it's been left hanging in the ether
[20:35] <bigcalm> No
[20:35] <DJones> But typing & drinking red wine doesn't work to well at the same time
[20:36] <bigcalm> DJones: use a straw
[20:36] <TOSDroid> Whose been drinking red wine?
[20:36] <awilkins> A curly straw
[20:36] <DJones> TOSDroid: +1
[20:36] <mgdm> +1
[20:37] <DJones> TOSDroid: Is there any other type of wine apart from "Red wine" :)
[20:37]  * daubers just has whisky
[20:38] <Myrtti> Im just eating, no drinks tonight
[20:38] <bigcalm> awilkins: http://www.latestbuy.com/img/product-Images/dgls-350c.jpg
[20:38]  * DJones realises why he's still got meat left on his dinner plate... The dog is at his parents house...Doh!
[20:38] <Myrtti> creamy salmon soup tho, with spuds, neeps, carrots
[20:38] <bigcalm> Yum
[20:39] <bigcalm> Though I do prefer my salmon raw
[20:41] <bigcalm> Has Flickr always been $24.95 for 1 year? I thought when I started it was that for 2 years. I may be very confused though
[20:43] <No> Boo
[20:43] <Guest38672> Am at guildford
[20:43] <bigcalm> Where my 1st girlfriend was
[20:44] <Guest38672> The beer was called  Wibblers Wobbly Wabbit
[20:44] <DJones> Guest38672: You left your nick behind
[20:44] <Guest38672> Yeah
[20:44] <Guest38672> I dont really get irc
[20:45] <Guest38672> It's all programed in my desktop
[20:46] <bigcalm> I was wrong. It's been $24.95 for 1 year for always. Really surprised that Flickr haven't increased their prices since I joined in November 2005
[20:47] <Guest38672> Will news signing off shortly. Have a nice weekend everyone
[20:49] <bigcalm> Who was that?
[20:50] <DJones> I'm assuming TOSDroid
[20:50] <bigcalm> But whom was that?
[20:50] <DJones> Similar ip, same irc client
[20:50] <DJones> TOS = The OpenSourcerer
[20:50] <DJones> on his anDROID phone
[20:51] <bigcalm> Doh
[20:51] <gordonjcp> 21:43 -!- No<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:51] <gordonjcp> 21:43 -!- No is now known as Guest38672
[20:51] <DJones> :)
[20:52] <bigcalm> It was his line "<Guest38672> I dont really get irc" that thew me
[20:52] <gordonjcp> isn't that Bruno?
[20:52] <gordonjcp> No`
[20:53] <bigcalm> Don't think No` would join without his `
[20:53] <bigcalm> * TOSDroid<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-uk
[20:53] <bigcalm> * No<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-uk
[20:53] <bigcalm> Same ISP
[20:55] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: true enough
[20:55] <pcmechanic> Evening
[20:57] <AlanBell> evening
[20:58] <bigcalm> Morning
[20:58] <bigcalm> (eventually)
[20:58] <pcmechanic> greets from the north east.  Im not far off newcastle so its always that bit cooler here
[21:02] <mattt> pcmechanic: i didn't know northerners got cold!
[21:03] <mgdm> I thought they wandered around in t-shirts despite it being -5

[21:03] <pcmechanic> HA! well as a rule I'd normally agree but tonights an excception
[21:03] <pcmechanic> heating on for the first time
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> ever?
[21:03] <pcmechanic> not far off it
[21:04]  * bigcalm lobs a seagull at mgdm
[21:04]  * pcmechanic ducks
[21:04] <mattt> :P
[21:04] <pcmechanic> fecking seaguls
[21:04]  * mgdm lobs a haggis back at bigcalm
[21:04] <bigcalm> Yay
[21:04] <bigcalm> Think I got the better end of the deal
[21:05] <pcmechanic> oh i like haggis ! food of kings (aslong as its served with neeps n whisky)
[21:05] <mattt> yuck :(
[21:05] <pcmechanic> :D
[21:07] <pcmechanic> that reminds me - large bag of haggis n black pepper crisps in the cupboard
[21:07]  * daubers heads to bed
[21:07] <pcmechanic> that'll do nciely
[21:08] <funkyHat> Why isn't tfl suggesting central line > picadilly line as an option to get from shepherd's bush to holloway road? It seems to be less stops than hammersmith & city > picadilly
[21:08] <TOSDroid> At ash vale. Trim to farnham in 7 mins.
[21:10] <TOSDroid> Not sure I want last orders now... Might just get cab straight home. What do you think?
[21:10]  * AlanBell suspects the cab won't go past the sandrock
[21:11] <TOSDroid> Hmmm
[21:15] <gordonjcp> funkyHat: good move
[21:15] <gordonjcp> funkyHat: Amos Grove
[21:15] <TOSDroid> Mornington cresent
[21:16] <funkyHat> I think that's an invalid move
[21:16] <gordonjcp> yes
[21:16] <TOSDroid> This is the royal flush rules though?
[21:17] <gordonjcp> yes, but you have to place a Geordie before even starting your Modernist Slide
[21:17] <gordonjcp> it's right there in the rules
[21:17] <gordonjcp> go on, have another shot
[21:17] <TOSDroid> Hmmm.
[21:18] <TOSDroid> Picaddlilly
[21:19] <funkyHat> Baker Street
[21:19] <gordonjcp> Turnpike Lane
[21:20] <TOSDroid> Ealing broadway
[21:20] <funkyHat> Putney Bridge
[21:21] <TOSDroid> London bridge
[21:22] <gordonjcp> West Brompton
[21:22] <TOSDroid> Farnham :)
[21:22] <gordonjcp> o_O
[21:22] <TOSDroid> Off piste but a great move
[21:23] <gordonjcp> that's a bold move, what's the method?
[21:23] <TOSDroid> Turin
[21:23] <gordonjcp> aah, got you
[21:24] <gordonjcp> good stuff, right this is going to get messy if I am to avoid knip
[21:24] <gordonjcp> Kew Gardens!
[21:25] <TOSDroid> Googe street and im off. Nn
[21:25] <funkyHat> AND Mornington Crescent!
[21:25] <TOSDroid> Bab
[21:26] <gordonjcp> funkyHat: well done
[21:28] <gordonjcp> funkyHat: it's a lot harder playing Glasgow rules, because there are only 15 stations on a circular route
[21:29] <gordonjcp> so you need to introduce surface rail and bus routes
[21:29] <funkyHat> gordonjcp: yes that is awkward
[21:29] <mgdm> gordonjcp: OK, then, Exhibition Centre
[21:29] <funkyHat> Almost as awkward as actually trying to cycle in Glasgow ;D
[21:30] <gordonjcp> mgdm: Partick
[21:30] <Myrtti> the hell are you playing
[21:30] <mgdm> gordonjcp: Anderston
[21:31] <gordonjcp> !
[21:31] <gordonjcp> hang on, is Central High Level in play?
[21:31] <mgdm> I don't see why not
[21:32] <gordonjcp> okay, then Central to St Enoch
[21:32] <mgdm> Interesting
[21:32] <mgdm> Blantyre
[21:33] <gordonjcp> oh, it's like that is it?   I win \o/
[21:45] <AlanBell> so, um, what was that all about then?
[21:45] <gordonjcp> Mornington Crescent
[21:45] <gordonjcp> but we played to the Glasgow rules, Victor edition
[21:46] <AlanBell> ah, I see
[21:47]  * RaycisCharles pees on AlanBell
[21:48] <gordonjcp> naturally with Glasgow Central High Level in play, which opens up the Inverclyde and Ayrshire Coast lines as long as the Class 380 Amendment Part III is allowed
[21:49] <mgdm> damn, that means I could've had Wemyss Bay
[21:49] <mgdm> which is the first time anyone has said that
[21:49] <gordonjcp> aha, as a former contractor I could have had IBM
[21:50] <gordonjcp> but that's unsporting if there are no other IBMers playing
[21:50] <mgdm> heh heh
[21:51] <AlanBell> Charing Cross scores under London and Glasgow rules
[21:52] <mgdm> indeed
[21:52] <gordonjcp> yes, of course
[21:53] <gordonjcp> I'd love a game where someone played *both* Charing Crosses
[21:54] <mgdm> shame there's not a train station at Glasgow airport
[21:54] <gordonjcp> ye
[21:55] <AlanBell> oh, maybe treat Charing Cross and Queen's Park as wormholes
[21:56] <AlanBell> although having rules such as that might undermine the point of the game
[21:56] <gordonjcp> hahaha
[21:56] <gordonjcp> when I was little I used to think that two places with the same name were connected by wormholes
[21:56] <gordonjcp> made perfect sense, a little fold in the continuum of space-time where you stick the edges together
[21:57] <gordonjcp> makes much more sense than *two totally different places* having the same name
[21:57] <gordonjcp> how confusing would that be?
[21:58] <AlanBell> quite agree
[22:01] <gordonjcp> mgdm: it's worth remembering that you can also play pre-modernisation rules but that mostly just renames the underground stations
[22:04] <mgdm> yeah
[22:05]  * mgdm heads to sleep
[22:07]  * gordonjcp needs to run mrs bagpuss_thecat home first
[22:08]  * awilkins requires sleep
[22:12] <bigcalm> Finally got around to watching the Code Breakers prog on Bletchley Park. Very well done BBC Wales :)
[22:13]  * danfish is asleep - please be quiet
[22:13] <Myrtti> *SHUSH* DANFISH IS SLEEPING
[22:13] <bigcalm> SORRY?