[03:28] <cruiseoveride> what is the difference between Menlow and McCaslin?
[05:11] <persia> cxo: Different chipsets (including the processor, graphics, IO, etc.).
[05:11] <persia> In terms of Ubuntu Mobile images, mostly just different settings, defaults, and drivers.
[05:12] <cxo> are they the same arch?
[05:13] <persia> Both are arch: lpia, if that is what you mean.
[05:14] <cxo> is that x86?
[05:23] <persia> Somewhat.  It's IA32, but a different architecture in the control files.
[05:24] <cxo> the kvm image available on the site, can i boot that on a p2
[05:27] <persia> No idea.  You could try it.  There was a report recently that the lpia kernel didn't book on a C7-M, so I'm not very confident it would work.
[05:28] <cxo> what version of glibc is on the image, i have a kernel handy i can use
[05:29] <cxo> i basically just want to check out the userspace stuff
[05:32] <persia> It's the same version of glibc in the rest of Ubuntu, just compiled for arch:lpia.  You can look at the source for Ubuntu Hardy glibc to see the specific differences.
[05:32] <cxo> it
[05:33] <cxo> it'l probably work
[06:04] <cxo> persia, it worked
[06:05] <cxo> i used vanilla-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:05] <cxo> whats the root password?
[06:07] <persia> cxo: There isn't one.  Which image are you using?  The KVM image?
[06:12] <cxo> yes
[06:12] <cxo> i've never used ubuntu before.. but its trying to fsck the fs
[06:12] <cxo> which is shouldnt do, how do i tell it not to
[06:13] <cxo> cos, i'm pxe'ing it and the rootfs is nfs
[06:14] <cxo> persia, the lpia kernel even booted nicely on the p2
[06:14] <cxo> but i'm not using it cos it doesnt have nfsroot support
[06:21] <persia> Check /etc/fstab.  I think for no fsck, you want "0 0" in the last two columns.  Beyond that, I'm a little stuck, and would suggest asking on #ubuntu
[06:21] <persia> Also, thanks for the report that the lpia kernel booted cleanly on the P2.  I wonder why it didn't work on the C7-M.
[06:23] <persia> Oh, and for passwords: I think you want user "ume" and password "ubuntu" for the KVM image.
[06:23] <cxo> i shorted it out by replacing fsck with a shell script
[06:23] <persia> Well, that's one way to do it :)
[06:23] <cxo> it hangs on "Starting .... hald"
[06:24] <persia> Anything useful in /var/log?    What is it supposed to do?
[06:32] <cxo> oh
[06:32] <cxo> turn off/on services at startup
[06:33] <persia> Ah.  I think you want "update-rc.d", although there is an effort to move more stuff to upstart, so this won't work for services in /etc/event.d
[06:34] <persia> That said, you may also want to look at the various files in /etc/default, depending on your goal.
[06:35] <cxo> i shorted, /etc/init.d/dhcbd|hal and ive got a console now
[06:35] <persia> Be warned that a running hal is an expectation of a few things: I suspect most of the HW related stuff just won't work.
[06:36] <cxo> the screen keeps blinking
[06:36] <cxo> i thought hald was just for information?
[06:36] <cxo> i didnt know it did any configuration
[06:36] <persia> It's the mechanism by which most software gets information about the hardware.
[06:37] <persia> Does it look like X is trying to come up and failing?
[06:37] <cxo> yeah sort of
[06:37] <persia> You may need to alter /etc/event.d/session to use a different xorg.conf
[06:37] <cxo> i cant type on the keyboard because of that
[06:37] <persia> Right.  You'll want to edit that in the chroot, and then re-PXE the device.
[06:37] <cxo> ume/password didnt work
[06:38] <cxo> i chrooted from my host, and passwd -d root, and logged in, and init 4, and the screen stopped blinking
[06:38] <persia> These images are fairly heavily customised for the target environments, and not yet generic enough to work cleanly on most hardware.  Part of why it was called a "developer" release.
[06:38] <persia> ume/ubuntu?
[06:38] <cxo> oh woops
[06:38] <cxo> doesnt matter now
[06:39] <persia> Well, except that there's an expectation you won't be running as root.  I do suggest you set a ume password, and use that.
[06:41] <cxo> alright, i just reboot after fixing xorg.conf
[06:41] <cxo> lets see what happens
[06:42] <cxo> oh sweet i got to the desktop
[06:42] <cxo> very nice
[06:42] <cxo> argh.. i dont have a rat
[06:43] <cxo> So Intel is planning to compete with Symbian with Ubuntu MID?
[06:45] <cxo> wtf is wrong with vi....
[06:45] <cxo> "the command is not available in this version"? what "version" of vi is this?
[06:46] <persia> Try vim.  I can't speak for any corporate intent for Ubuntu MID, but I personally find it more dynamic than the Qtopia environment I've been using.
[06:47] <persia> I also like the integration with Ubuntu Desktop: it ought be a lot easier to enable various file sharing and mobile/workstation integration features.
[06:47] <cxo> but its too heavy for a phone
[06:47] <cxo> maybe a 1ghz pda or something
[06:48] <cxo> my p2 is struggling with it
[06:48] <cxo> and i have 384mb of ram in it
[06:49] <cxo> and 8mb ati rage
[06:49] <persia> It's not really desgined for a phone: it's more for the 4-6" handheld segment.
[06:50] <persia> I have a phone that is mostly a computer (3.5" 852x480), and I find it exceedingly frustrating to use as a phone because I need to dial like a computer, yet frustrating as a computer because it's a little too small (I prefer my 4" handheld).
[06:50] <cxo> i love the desktop, i would use this on my pc
[06:51] <persia> Makes sense.  I tend to not like full-screen everything on my workstation, but I have a large screen.
[06:51] <persia> Anyway, must run.  Good luck with your project, and please file bugs if you find something doesn't work right.
[06:52] <cxo> not a project, just trying it out, liked the screenshots on phoronix.com
[06:52] <cxo> or .net cant remember
[06:53] <cxo> not bad, i extracted the root.raw, and dd'ed out partion1, net booted it, and got it to the desktop with internet access in less than 2hrs
[06:55] <cxo> Suggestion, throw Songbird into the rootfs
[06:55] <cxo> its a wikid app
[06:55] <cxo> and great for MIDs
[11:41] <jimcooncat> Is the Samsung Q1 Ultra the only device this runs on? $1,170 US = ouch!
[12:07] <quirky-mo> Hey all, I'm wondering if anyone here can give me a quick bit of advice wuth UME
[13:33] <persia> jimcooncat: It can run on lots of devices: I use a Kohjinsha SR8.  That said, the image available online is optimised for the Samsun Q1U: for anything else, you'll need to do some local optimisation.
[13:34] <persia> quirky-mo: What sort of advice do you need?
[13:35] <quirky-mo> well i have it up and running on my eeePC
[13:35] <persia> quirky-mo: You do?  Did you need to do anything special to make it work?
[13:35] <quirky-mo> but i'm having trouble figuring how to get the clutter interface up and runng
[13:36] <persia> Clutter?  Are you sure you installed Ubuntu MID Edition?
[13:37] <quirky-mo> well i have it installed on top of JeOS with ubuntu-mobile package installed from lauchpad.net repos
[13:38] <persia> quirky-mo: Aha.  Which architecture?
[13:39] <quirky-mo> i386
[13:39] <quirky-mo> i can actuall give you a link to the exact steps ive taken so far
[13:39] <quirky-mo> http://wiki.tenmilesout.net/index.php?title=Ubuntu_Mobile_Edition_-_Base_Installation_-_Eee_PC_Specific_Kernel
[13:40] <persia> quirky-mo: I'm not sure how to get clutter working, Ubuntu Mobile is mostly based on hildon.  That said, many applications are only hildonised for lpia, so you may find it a little hard to get it working under i386.
[13:42] <persia> Reading your instructions, that really ought to work.
[13:42] <persia> Unfortunately, ubuntu-mobile wasn't really complete or well tested for architectures other than lpia for hardy.
[13:42] <quirky-mo> I just have it up and runng to have the basic interface running but not able to figure out how to get clutter running
[13:43] <persia> One of the goals for intrepid is to try to get the ubuntu-mobile metapackage to do the right thing, but for now you may find you need to adjust several more things (although you've already listed a lot).
[13:43] <persia> You have a hildon desktop running?
[13:45] <quirky-mo> yes the mobilebasic hildon is working: basically this one http://ubuntista.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ubuntu-mobile.jpg
[13:45] <quirky-mo> works very well tho
[13:45] <persia> That's good to know.  I thought it would have issues on i386.  I'm glad to hear I'm wrong.
[13:46] <ogra> lpia should work on everything that 686
[13:46] <persia> I see a libclutter-0.6.0 in the repos, but not a lot of rdepends.  Looking upstream, it seems to be a library interface, which may need application targeting.  You'll probably do better with the upstream information.
[13:47] <ogra> (and will likely be faster than -386)
[13:47] <persia> ogra: We had a report yesterday that lpia wouldn't boot on a C7-M, although that might be a pathological case.
[13:47] <ogra> well, C7 isnt 686
[13:47] <ogra> that needs the 586 instructions
[13:47] <persia> Ah.  That explains it.  I thought everything was 686 these days.
[13:47] <ogra> which lpia doesnt provide ...
[13:48] <ogra> nah, many of the geode shipsets, the embedded SiS CPUs and some of the VIAs arent
[13:48] <persia> Hmm.  I wonder if we still ought have the special i686 stuff in the i386 flavour: might it make sense for any i686 people to run lpia, even for Ubuntu Desktop?
[13:48] <ogra> we had that prob in ltsp before when -generic didnt do 586
[13:49] <quirky-mo> lpia kernel doesnt boot on eeepc, (celeron m 900)
[13:49] <persia> -generic didn't do 586!  I thought -generic was supposed to work even on 486.
[13:49] <ogra> whats the error you get ?
[13:49] <ogra> not back soem releases ago
[13:49] <ogra> there -386 was 486 and 586 ... -generic was 686
[13:50] <ogra> -generic was then switched to support 586
[13:50] <persia> NO specific error was reported.
[13:51]  * ogra notes that the eeepc might have one of the realtek NICs that prevented booting before the -18 kernel update ....
[13:52] <ogra> (just a guess, i dont have an eee here ... but had a similar prob on the classmate PC)
[13:54] <jimcooncat> persia, sorry not to respond. thanks for your comment
[13:54] <quirky-mo> aetheros NIC, and its a pain, cos I have to pact the Madwifi drivers every kernel update
[13:58] <persia> ogra: Hmm.  Anyway, while having proper support for 586 (and maybe even 486) in i386 makes sense, the architecture oughtn't matter so much.  It's unfortunate that one needs to run lpia userspace for best results.
[14:00] <ogra> yeah
[14:00] <ogra> quirky-mo, i'm not talking about wireless
[14:02] <ogra> there was a massive breakage with a relatively new rtl81XX something chipset of wired NICs that puzzled the whole PCI id matching and made the kernel just explde on boot
[14:12] <quirky-mo> sorry its aetheros again for wired, and yes the Madwifi runs the wired
[17:04] <Tamagotono> I am wanting to install this on my Nokia N800.  Can anyone point me in the right direction for how to do this please?
[17:25] <cxo> how does it work? do you have access to the hard drive/flash bootloader?
[21:29] <samphippen> can i install ubuntu mobile on eeepc?
[21:33] <cxo> yes
[21:34] <samphippen> when?
[21:34] <cxo> it will also run on a Pentium
[21:34] <cxo> when?
[21:34] <cxo> what do you mean when?
[21:35] <samphippen> when will i be able to install it on eeepc
[21:35] <cxo> how should i know, whenever you have free time?
[21:36] <cxo> you can install it whenever you want
[22:44] <cxo> How do i shutdown MID?
[22:44] <cxo> i see no shutdown button
[23:59] <persia> cxo: There are two ways I use: first is Ctrl-Alt-Delete & power-cycle at BIOS, the second is `shutdown -h now` from the Terminal.


 After upgrading from 18.04 to 20.04.
 When I am trying to login it is returning back to login screen.
 This is my work computer and I tried changing desktop environment, and all the possible solutions that I could find.
 When entering correct password it is showing just one line information about /dev/sea and returning back to lockscreen.
[07:33] <Maik> @devilhere best to search for bug reports or on askubuntu. You're probably not the only one that ran into such an issue.
[08:03] <Guest_6> i may have just cought a uefi biot virus.. i know im a noob but i need to check out a few concerns with somone who does know whats going on
[08:11] <Guest_6> is there somone here who knows if its normal to check logs and find heaps of denied access attempts to various files on my encrypted hdd then followed by some code running snap and then installing something i forget what and finally adding a new user and updating some files before i get an update prompt then after that it opened a debian instal
[08:11] <Guest_6> window for.. uefi firmware update and installed heaps of new programs some i looked up and they related to emulating OS.. upon reboot the grub menu looked different .. i looked up some of the code and it linked to a text document with different os listed and known explots and included lubuntu and the snap code-snippet i hade googled
[08:12] <Guest_6> does lubuntu normaly update uefi firmware?
[08:14] <Guest_6> why does my recently accessed files list so many files i never searched for being attempted to be accessed
[08:29] <Guest_6> anyone here can help me?
[18:23] <usuari> sadas
[18:23] <usuari> sdf
[18:23] <usuari> sdf
[18:23] <usuari> sdf
[18:23] <usuari> sdf
[18:23] <usuari> sdf
 what is the problem? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <usuari> sadas)
[18:38] <wxl> i think it might be a pebkac
 They were quieted by the bot.
 I have seen no msgs today
[18:40] <wxl> there is.. an appimage. i'll have to check it out
[18:41] <wxl> oops that was the wrong channel XD
 Oh good, I was confused.
[18:42] <wxl> i heard that
 XD
[19:19] <anam> hi https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html#chapter-5-1-lxqt-panel tells me how to 'use' the panel but not how to add it as a widget ... and the help in the menu doesn't contain the word 'widget' ... help please?
[19:20] <anam> it says "LXQt Panel is the bar situated at the bottom of your screen by default. " well I installed lubuntu from ISO and it is not there at all...
[19:20] <anam> btw I was using lubuntu 18.04 and it did have the task bar at the bottom but 20.04 now doesn't have it
[19:40] <anam> found this $ sudo apt-get install lxqt openbox -y
[19:41] <anam> very frustrating, you install lubuntu, you read the help files, and the interface it talks about is simply not there and it does not say how to put it, it just assumes wrongly, that it is there
[19:44] <krytarik> That sounds like something has gone horribly wrong at installation then..
[19:45] <krytarik> What exact packages were installed by the above command then?
[19:47] <anam> sorry what above command? when installing, I simply pressed the 'next' button available, I don't rembember getting a choice of desktops
[19:48] <anam> well in theory whe i reboot I should see the lxqt desktop, still waiting for the comand to do its magic :)
[19:48] <anam> following instructions from here
[19:49] <anam> https://linoxide.com/ubuntu-how-to/install-lxqt-desktop-ubuntu/
[19:49] <anam> and here https://techblog.thcb.in/how-to-install-lxqt-desktop-environment-in-ubuntu/
[19:49] <krytarik> Aha, so you didn't actually run said command yet..
[19:50] <krytarik> Because my guess would be that e.g. lxqt-panel is just not running for some reason.
[19:53] <krytarik> So I'd try running "lxqt-panel" from a terminal for a start.
[20:04] <wxl> installing the lxqt desktop is not installing lubuntu
[20:04] <wxl> so there's that
[20:05] <wxl> lubuntu explicitly installs packages rather than the lxqt metapackage, so we can't guarantee it will work well
[20:05] <wxl> tl;dr install lubuntu
[23:05] <sevastos> hey
[23:13] <wxl> ho


[02:12] <grantbow> a relatively quiet cycle for release parties https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/QuantalRelease
[02:12] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/QuantalRelease - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:36] <pleia2> no relative about it, it was dead ;)
[02:37] <akk> shhhh, you'll wake someone up!
[03:39] <nUboon2age3> We had an Ubuntu Hour:PA tonight. :-)  Took the opportunity to set up a launchpad team for SV Ubuntians and the project Ubuntu SV for running Ubuntu Hours and other Free Software and Free Culture events in Silicon Valley and beyond.
[03:40] <nUboon2age3> have a good evening all
[03:42] <pleia2> oh no, not more LP teams :\
[03:43] <pleia2> our list isn't that overwhelming, I don't see a reason to fragment the team
[04:04] <pleia2> I sent him an email, hopefully he will work to include the whole team on events so we can attend instead of continuing to make all these spinoff groups and lists
[04:05] <pleia2> (I didn't even know there was a PA Ubuntu Hour tonight, I'm actually in town, how disappointing!)
[20:57] <grantbow> facelift complete on a bunch of wiki pages


[13:20] <BluesKaj> Howsy all
[13:21] <BluesKaj> need coffee!
[18:21] <genii> There still seems to be some issue when just sendmail is installed, it gets caught in a loop on the post-install of reading the config file and then trying to configure it. For the moment removed sendmail and just installed postfix.
[18:24] <genii> Additionally: When there is no default mta, apt-listchanges reverts to using default pager instead of emailing root even if it's config file is set not to wait for confirmation before proceeding
[18:32] <frogythegreat> Hi. I have a bug on the login screen. Keyboard doesn't respond until I click the keyboard applet in the top task bar. I'm not sure what package or how best to report this?
[18:33] <trism> frogythegreat: possibly related, bug 1260223
[18:33] <genii> frogythegreat: Would probably be filed against the lightdm package
[18:33] <frogythegreat> thx. all. I'll look at those 2 and if not file against lightdm. that makes sense to me.
[18:34] <frogythegreat> 1260223
[18:34] <frogythegreat> yup that's my bug. thx again.
[18:35] <dkessel> please select "affects me" at the top then ;) thanks
[18:36] <frogythegreat> :-) also left a comment with my alternate work-around.
[18:36] <dkessel> great
[18:37] <dkessel> didn't know that workaround yet... nice. much faster
[18:37] <frogythegreat> happy accident. but it works so far for me. happens to me EVERY time on login.
[18:51] <genii> Was there some recent change which now makes it so that file access times are not updated?
[19:06] <Wubix> the netboot installer fails to load libc6-udeb
[19:17] <Wubix> what can i do about it?
[19:53] <randomcpp> is any amd user running trusty here?
[19:54] <randomcpp> I need an info about the latest `fglrx-update` update
[19:54] <Wubix> i was until the libc6 broken
[19:54] <Wubix> was broken//
[19:55] <Wubix> randomcpp: what kind of info?
[19:57] <randomcpp> the latest package version is 13.125, but 13.101 (according to amdccle) is still installed
[20:45] <randomcpp> plus, sometimes the screens flicker
[20:45] <randomcpp> :/
[21:35] <randomcpp> uhm..open source drivers aren't that bad, if it wouldn't for the temperature issue
[21:35] <randomcpp> prop drivers are actually cooler :/
[21:52] <randomcpp> ok note to all fglrx-updates users: they need to purge the old drivers before installing the new ones, even with normal updates from servers
[21:57] <randomcpp> additional note: steam does not work. (hurray for my productivity!)


[00:48] <nshire> interesting that 24 is out
[00:48] <nshire> 14 was the first one I installed\
[00:53] <LuckyMan> nshire, :-)
[00:54] <rbox> nshire: it happens twice a year
[00:59] <nshire> I know you can extend the sudo password "expiration" where it doesn't ask you for password if you sudo a second time in a short timespan
[00:59] <nshire> but is it possible to have that take affect right after logging in too?
[01:00] <rbox> nshire: that makes no sense
[01:00] <LuckyMan> nshire, I know the raspberry pi doesn't ask you for a password, you just need to type sudo
[01:00] <nshire> so for a few minutes after logging in I don't need to reenter my password to use sudo.
[01:01] <rbox> you're not "reentering" anything
[01:01] <rbox> you haven't used sudo
[01:01] <LuckyMan> but this may be a security problem
[01:01] <nshire> rbox, I am using sudo
[01:01] <LuckyMan> if a someone gets into your computer, it can sudo with a normal user
[01:01] <nshire> why do you think I'm not using sudo.
[01:01] <rbox> yes, the first time you type 'sudo'
[01:02] <rbox> not before you use sudo
[01:02] <LuckyMan> without a password
[01:03] <oerheks> open your session with sudo -i , for the whole session
[01:03] <oerheks> as root
[01:04] <Bart__> Are you talking about '%sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL' ?
[01:05] <oerheks>  the raspberry pi does ask you for a password
[01:05] <Bart__> inside a file in /etc/sudoers.d/
[01:05] <oerheks> oh, such hacks are ugly
[01:06] <oerheks> Run: sudo visudo  Find the uncommented line: Defaults env_reset.  Under this line type: Defaults timestamp_timeout=<time-in-minutes>
[01:06] <Bart__> It's not a reverse engineering. It's access administartion. Exact what was asked about. AFAI understood.
[01:06] <nshire> is there any real difference between sudo su and sudo -i
[01:06] <oerheks> su times out?
[01:06] <Bart__> Yes, and it's a pain in rare cases.
[01:36] <itu> https://www.stromgedacht.de/api-docs
[01:38] <itu> here i go to the "Python Anwendungsbeispiel 4" , copy and run it , but got " unterminated string literal (detected at line 28)"
[01:39] <rbox> waht do you mean copy it, how did you run it
[01:39] <oerheks> is that python2 stuff?
[01:42] <itu> i copied with the uper right button and run with  python3  $kript
[01:43] <dlsnd> that's why puthon is not a serious language - one cannot work with code that cannot be copypasted
[01:44] <oerheks> dlsnd, that is not helpfull
[01:46] <itu> i just expande pyth on the prompt getting python3 , since its ubuntu 22.04
[01:46] <itu> *expanded
[01:47] <itu> i have zero knowledge of python
[02:03] <itu> got it https://www.decodingweb.dev/solved-syntaxerror-unterminated-string-literal-in-python#multi-line-quote
[02:04] <itu> learning python in the night
[02:05] <itu> *fixed*
[02:28] <utsweetyfish> do we have ubuntu core with 24.04?
[02:29] <utsweetyfish> i'd like to try ubuntu core in a chroot, is there any guide?
[02:29] <utsweetyfish> Or, if this is the wrong place, please redirect me thanks
[02:32] <Bashing-om> utsweetyfish: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/ubuntu-core-docs/47 ?
[02:35] <utsweetyfish> Thank you Bashing-om! I'll try that
[02:35] <dsc_> hi, is RDP even suppose to work in Ubuntu 22 or was it more like a practical joke
[02:36] <dsc_> `$ grdctl status`  says its enabled but nothing runs on port `3389`, and `systemctl --user status gnome-remote-desktop.service` doesnt show anything related to rdp
[02:37] <dsc_> as for VNC, I also enabled that, but that also does not work of course ;)
[02:38] <dsc_> that one *does* bind on :5900 but fails with "Refusing new VNC connection: already an active session"
[02:44] <dsc_> anything related to network file/screen sharing is bad on Ubuntu, or linux in general
[05:06] <roadkill> tomreyn: still unable to get my desktop to reboot into a black screen, hang on suspend, etc... Wish I had been able to collect logs on my previous attempts to get 24.04 to take. But it really does seem like a downgrade to 6.7.10 fixes everything.
[05:07] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: you can use journalctl to grab a previous boot logs
[05:09] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: journalctl --list-boots
[05:12] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: did you file a bug ID for your issue yet?
[05:27] <roadkill> lotuspsychj3: Just submitted the report.
[05:27] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: whats the ID please?
[05:28] <roadkill> lotuspsychj3: and unfortunately, no, I was doing full system wipes and reinstalls during all of this, so any logs I may have had would be long gone, sorry
[05:28] <roadkill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2063983
[05:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2063983 in Ubuntu "24.04 Upgrade/Fresh Install results in black screen on reboot on AMDGPU system" [Undecided, New]
[05:28] <roadkill> It would be extremely easy to duplicate, however.
[05:29] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: ok, tnx i changed the package to linux (kernel) for you
[05:29] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: can you get into your system via grub/recoverymode ?
[05:29] <roadkill> thanks, I didn't know what to touch so I just described what I could.
[05:30] <lotuspsychj3> we need to collect your logs via apport-collect, so you need to get into your system for that roadkill
[05:30] <roadkill> lotuspsychj3: when the black screen lockup was happening, yes, entering grub and booting into recovery mode was easy. It was the reboot -after- rebooting from safe mode that the issue reappeared. Which I always found curious.
[05:30] <roadkill> I'm on the system right now. It's been fully wiped since my last 24.04 reinstall.
[05:30] <roadkill> That said, I'll swap in a different nvme stick and duplicate
[05:31] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: ok, go back into recoverymode + networking and drop to a rootshell, then apport-collect 2063983
[05:31] <roadkill> Once my home folder finishes copying over from the raid. ;)
[05:32] <roadkill> I've never seen an issue where you have one successful reboot, but then subsequent reboots all fail.
[05:32] <roadkill> After install: One successful reboot to desktop, rebooting again fails. After safe mode: One successful reboot to desktop from safe mode, rebooting again fails.
[05:33] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: once you apport collect on your bug, the devs will be able to debug your issue for sure
[05:34] <roadkill> Just need to pull the nvme drive off my old system so I have a boot drive to test with.
[05:39] <weekin2day> anyone familiar with using roku tv as wireless monitor?
[05:55] <int33h> Managed to solve my cephadm bug in temporary fashion from yesterday
[05:57] <int33h> cephadm in 24.04 and caracal cloud repo is build with ignore when copying cephadmlib so just rebuildning the source package and copying out the python libs solves it
[06:51] <d3k4t3ss3r4> Anyone familiar with screen rotations and how I can modify them PRE- user config?
[06:52] <d3k4t3ss3r4> Running some versions of ubuntu 64 on a cyberdeck using pimoronis hyperpixel4. A beautiful display but known to be borderline impossible to install in many distros.
[06:52] <d3k4t3ss3r4> We got it installed. And we can rotate the display in user configs.
[06:54] <d3k4t3ss3r4> But because this workaround relies on user configuration, the login screen  come up in portrait mode, for a display that's mounted in landscape.
[06:54] <d3k4t3ss3r4> Not the end of the world. But if any ubuntu big brains have any ideas I would love to hear them
[07:31] <Juso2703> Hello everyone! For some reasons on my workstation (22.04) I still haven't recieved an upgrade to 24.04. What might be the reason?
[07:34] <int33h> Juso2703: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-22-04-lts-to-ubuntu-24-04-lts/
[07:35] <int33h> Juso2703: inplace upgrade to 24.04 is not slated untill august 15:th
[07:38] <Juso2703> int33h: Thanks for the answer!
[07:39] <int33h> Juso2703: no problem, you can do a upgrade to 23.10 then to 24.04
[07:39] <int33h> I havnt tried that though i tend to stay away from the inbetween ones :)
[07:40] <Juso2703> int33h: Got it!
[08:45] <zy_> hello
[08:53] <ph88> how can i install the ubuntu boot manager that shows grub as default choice instead of going straight to the windows boot manager ?
[08:59] <Bashing-om> ph88: It is the tool efibootmgr to manage the boot.
[09:16] <ph88> efibootmgr thx
[09:17] <Bashing-om> ph88: Glad I could help :)
[09:18] <ph88> how can i make .exe automatically open with wine ?
[09:49] <aurolac> nasty kvm bug in gnome-boxes, snap version works fine but .dev is a mess
[09:50] <aurolac> bios has virtualization enabled etc..
[09:50] <aurolac> s/.de./.deb
[09:53] <ph88> how can i use efibootmgr to set ubuntu bootloader as the default ?
[09:54] <aurolac> list options and choose
[09:54] <aurolac> https://askubuntu.com/questions/485261/change-boot-order-using-efibootmgr
[09:54] <ph88> by the way i see ubuntu bootloader two times and window boot loader two times
[09:55] <aurolac> well hmm do you know which ones are the active ones?
[09:55] <ph88> the first one for sure i guess
[09:55] <ph88> it has a prefix "RC"
[09:56] <ph88> https://github.com/rhboot/efibootmgr/issues/34#issuecomment-122659778
[09:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 34 in rhboot/efibootmgr "efibootmgr does not show inactive bootnum" [Closed]
[10:00] <aurolac> well if you are sure you can delete the non-valid ones
[10:01] <ph88> they dont bother me as they dont show up in grub as extra entries .. i will just leave them be
[10:01] <aurolac> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-manage-efi-boot-manager-entries-on-linux
[10:01] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to disable rpc-statd.service for nfs4 on Ubuntu 22?
[10:04] <irgendwer4711> maybe I should masked it
[11:26] <PeGaSuS> irgendwer4711: the "systemctl disable rpc-statd.service" command should do the trick, afaik
[11:27] <PeGaSuS> if it's running you can append "--now" so it is stopped instantly
[11:43] <irgendwer4711> PeGaSuS: mask should to the job, because disable do not prevent later start
[11:44] <irgendwer4711> PeGaSuS: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/systemctl-mask-disable
[11:46] <PeGaSuS> right. if you want to prevent anything/anyone from starting it you need to mask it. I thought you only wanted to disable it on start but still be able to use it
[11:47] <irgendwer4711> no, nfs4 do not need statd
[11:49] <PeGaSuS> then masking it should solve all of those problems, indeed
[12:07] <smoltalk> Hi folks! I'm trying to install desktop 24.04 onto a new PC build, and I'm having trouble setting up full disk encryption on a manual install with manual partitioning. I am installing via a 32 GB USB drive I flashed via WoeUSB after verifying the ISO checksum. I am not dual booting with any other operating system on this machine.
[12:07] <smoltalk> Hardware/BIOS: I have an Intel 14th gen CPU. two of the same NVMe disk installed, and I've verified through the BIOS settings that fTPM 2.0 is enabled. I have also disabled non-UEFI boot from BIOS and confirmed from Ubuntu Wiki screenshots that I am booting in UEFI mode.
[12:07] <smoltalk> Current Approach: I selected the manual installation option because a google search on the default 24.04 swap partition size showed that 2 GB is used by default. I would instead prefer to use memsize + 2 GB. I also wanted to use the second drive entirely for /home. I opted not create an LVM partition for / across both disks because my
[12:07] <smoltalk> understanding is that a multi-disk LVM partition behaves similarly to RAID-0, which is non-desirable for my use case.
[12:07] <smoltalk> Observed Results: When I got to the manual partitioning stage, I selected the first listed NVMe drive for the boot partition and swap, assigned the remaining space on that disk for a / ext4 partition, and then created an ext4 /home partition using all of the second disk. I was not prompted for an option to encrypt the full disk or even the /home
[12:07] <smoltalk> partition. According to what I've read on articles from the Ubuntu Wiki and other search results regarding Ubuntu 24.04 and full disk encryption, this indicates that it will not behave as I intended.
[12:13] <smoltalk> Hi folks! I'm trying to install desktop 24.04 onto a new PC build, and I'm having trouble setting up full disk encryption on a manual install with manual partitioning. I am installing via a 32 GB USB drive I flashed via WoeUSB after verifying the ISO checksum. I am not dual booting with any other operating system on this machine. HW/BIOS setup,
[12:13] <smoltalk> repro steps, observations, and alternatives under consideration here: https://dpaste.com/HAG6278GL .
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <enyc> smoltalk: I'd be (if possible) disconnecting all drives but test install drive, and just *try* a LVM+encryption auto-install; make observations of the partitions you end up with.
[12:31] <enyc> smoltalk: I immediately notice missing EFI sytem partition in your mention
[12:34] <smoltalk> enyc my mistake. A 1.13 GB FAT32 partition mounted to /boot/efi was created when I selected that drive from the "Device for boot loader installation" dropdown. That in addition to the swap and / partitions on the first drive and the /home partition on the second drive constitute the full list. I'll try going through the auto install and see if it
[12:34] <smoltalk> allows me to preview/modify the partition table before proceeding with the install.
[12:34] <smoltalk> Thank you!
[12:36] <enyc> smoltalk: I'd actually just ... do it first on defaults, then see what it has done,  then go for manual install to reconfigure it  based upon that;  you MIGHT have that intermediary you mention
[12:36] <enyc> ** I'm interested to know if default install methods on 24.04  install as  dual BIOS+UEFI bootable  (like 22.04 was) ??
[12:38] <smoltalk> enyc Makes sense. All of the time I've spent fiddling with this could have been used on trial and error. Probably would have been more productive. Regarding your question, the confirmation step at the end on devault settings shows a fat32 /boot/efi partition and an ext4 /boot partition, so that seems like a yes...?
[12:40] <enyc> smoltalk: no that doesn't tell me about my question  because  it depends on the botoaler instalaltion,  bios boot partition (on GPT) and so-on
[12:49] <smoltalk> enyc Apologies. I noted the extra /boot partition and the lack of a separate home partition as the only partition table differences between my manual install and the "Erase disk [...]" option, and assumed the /boot partition was for the BIOS bootloader. The "Disk encryption: none" setting on manual was the only other difference.
[12:49] <enyc> smoltalk: no, /boot is for GRUB and Kernel/initRD when you have encrypted install...
[12:50] <enyc> smoltalk: (or, for some other/unusual reason, you have separate / fs and want /boot differently)
[12:51] <smoltalk> Ah, thanks for that. I really need to take some time to drill down into some of Ubuntu/Linux's internals more. Kind of embarrassing that I've been using it as a daily driver for so long and haven't yet. Bills, though.
[13:02] <smoltalk> enyc your earlier question was great! I started digging into the subiquity source to figure out the answer and also learn more about what it would do with full disk encryption enabled, and I noted an error message about it not supporting full disk encryption with multiple drives. Search results for 'ubuntu "full disk encryption" with multiple
[13:02] <smoltalk> drives' confirmed. Makes sense. I'm thinking I should try to do the autoinstall config file and just do LVM+LUKS that way
[13:02] <smoltalk> for each partition*
[13:37] <smoltalk> enyc started falling down a rabbit hole, but it looks like Subiquity might be checking the BIOS settings to determine which bootloader(s) to install.
[13:37] <NeilRG> is there a way to do apt-get install a few times and then roll my system back if I don't like it?
[13:37] <NeilRG> ie. roll back everything that was installed
[13:37] <smoltalk> Re my original question, it looks like I should approach this using either an autoinstall config file or by using the default install options, then resize swap and add a new LUKS partition on the second disk
[13:41] <smoltalk> NeilRG /var/log/dpkg.log records package installations/changes. You could use this to detect and rollback changes. It appears that someone has written an apt-history script to parse this log. That script could then be incorporated into a rollback script.
[14:04] <smoltalk> By the way, I'm realizing now that it might have been better to just roll with the autoinstall.yaml for encrypted partitions and multiple disks. The process for decryption/mounting the drives is fairly involved. I'll submit a wiki article with my approach once I can validate it. I appreciate the advice and help, enyc! And much love to the community
[14:04] <smoltalk> for the existing documentation that helped me get to this point already!
[14:04] <Macer> hi. i installed ubuntu on a late 2013 mbp and i'm getting high wa
[14:04] <Macer> i used luks when i installed it. could it be that?
[14:05] <smoltalk> Macer additional information such as the partition table + filesystems involved would be helpful
[14:08] <Macer> https://pastebin.com/Cu6K7RKx
[14:08] <Macer> pretty much just a luks install of ubuntu to a nvme. but there is a pretty obvious problem with speed.
[14:08] <Macer> and top is showing high wa
[14:09] <smoltalk> I'd also recommend using a utility such as iotop to monitor which process(es) are performing the writes. The paste you showed doesn't show which filesystem you're using or the partitions involved
[14:11] <smoltalk> I had a similar problem with high writes to my NAS, which was set up with an IntelRST RAID-0 array partitioned as ext4. Consistent write activity even while the system was idling, which was probably due to the journaling. It ended up resolving itself before I could dig in further, which confirms that hypothesis.
[14:13] <Macer> it's using ext4 within luks
[14:15] <Macer>  /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv on / type ext4 (rw,relatime)
[14:16] <smoltalk> I'd check which processes are responsible for the write activity. If it's not a userspace process, I'd recommend researching how to investigate journal activity--the write activity could be due to journaling.
[14:40] <Macer> ah i'll try to see if i can sort it out
[14:40] <Macer> another question. i turned off active edges but when i drag windows near the sides they still want to resize
[14:42] <lotuspsychj3> Macer: maybe tiling active?
[14:42] <Macer> i i mean it seems like the function being performed here is the same as the active screen edges which i turned off. but dragging the windows towards to sides and the top (especially) wants to resize them and it's driving me batty
[14:44] <Macer> i disabled 'enhanced tiling' same issue
[14:44] <Macer> not too sure about ubuntu but usually this stops when you disable active edges in vanilla gnome
[14:45] <Macer> i just disabled tiling. let me logout and log back in maybe it will take a hold. i never quite understood how anybody though the dragging windows to the edge to resize was a good idea.
[14:45] <Macer> at least a good idea to be enabled by default
[14:46] <smoltalk> NeilRG you still here? I dug into the journal logs on my own system to verify my hypothesis. It was incorrect, but journalctl will likely be helpful to you if you haven't checked it already. Looks like my issue was caused by either a misconfiguration of my system's netplan config, or my misconfigured firewall rules on my gateway. The combination
[14:46] <smoltalk> was causing dhclient to spam DHCPDISCOVER, which was causing the write activity
[14:48] <smoltalk> odd since I was pretty sure I had dhcp4 and dhcp6 disabled on all my network interfaces, but I fixed the firewall rules while I was flashing a drive diagnostic tool
[14:50] <smoltalk> Macer, missed out on what you're chewing on. Do you have a paste of your version and GPU?
[14:52] <smoltalk> If you're experiencing those issues on 24.04, the tiling assistant might be involved? I know the version of GNOME included in the new release has it enabled by default now, and it added support for corner tiling.
[15:00] <Macer> gsettings set org.gnome.mutter edge-tiling false
[15:00] <Macer> that seems to have done it but you'd think that would be part of disabling both active edges and tiling
[15:01] <smoltalk> *shrug*
[15:02] <Macer> ah well.. now let me see if i can sort out this high io wait issue
[15:02] <Macer> otherwise.. it runs
[15:11] <smoltalk> enyc one last ping to answer your question: I checked gpart -l after installing with default partitioning and LVM+LUKS (and with legacy boot disabled in my BIOS) and it returned "Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT". My understanding is that it would have mentioned a hybrid MBR if it included the legacy bootloader.
[15:14] <smoltalk> Macer are you trying 24.04 from a fresh install? Which storage devices are you using and how did you partition it, assuming you're still working on your iowait problem?
[15:16] <Macer> Yes. It’s a MacBook Pro so whatever Apple uses. Right now I’m working on walking to grab some coffee. :)
[15:16] <Macer> I’ll take a look when I get back home. I did auto partitioning from the installer using lvm/luks
[15:24] <smoltalk> Macer a single SSD then with ext4 on default settings. Not sure what you've installed and are running on it post install, but check memory usage? Might be thrashing?
[15:30] <enyc> smoltalk: actually no, you don't need a hybrid-MBR to legacy-boot; that (as i understand it ) is where the MBR actually has extra partition-entries in it
[15:31] <enyc> smoltalk: legacy-boot on GPT can some some boot code in tat wrapper MBR that goes and finds the bios-boot-partition and loads more code from there ...
[15:31] <enyc> smoltalk: what it can't do (as I understand it) is use additional 'embedding' sectors immediately following the mbr
[15:31] <Macer> Nothing special for sure. But I’ll take a look. I was wondering if it was some sort of journaling or indexing but I’ll have to work on it more. I mean it’s a MacBook Pro from 2013. Maybe it’s just fundamentally slow.
[15:34] <smoltalk> enyc I see. Sounds like the most straightforward way to test would be to modify BIOS settings to allow non-UEFI boot, then check for the legacy option in the boot device list?
[15:35] <smoltalk> Macer you could also check journalctl re: journaling and see if anything is spamming that. For me, dhclient was causing issues because of some problems with my firewall rules
[15:39] <enyc> smoltalk: probably yes; I appreciate your trying for me;
[15:40] <enyc> smoltalk: also you could check  dpkg -l grub\*
[15:40] <enyc> smoltalk: see if you have the grub-legacy-bin  even  installed; I suspcet the "device for bootolader installation"  is where the grub-legacy gets put in ...
[15:46]  * enyc pounces Kangarooo
[15:46] <smoltalk> enyc least I could do; your question and advice was extremely helpful. `grep --list | grep grub` returned grub-common, a few grub-amd64 packages, and grub2-common
[15:46] <smoltalk> err grub-efi-amd64(-bin|-signed)?
[15:47] <smoltalk> so that looks like a no
[15:47] <enyc> grub-pc-bin I'm thinking of
[15:47] <smoltalk> nope, only those 5 that I mentioned. No grub-legacy-bin or grub-pc-bin
[15:48] <enyc> grub-legacy is wrong, much much older
[15:48] <enyc> smoltalk: if you wanted to **play-about** you could install grub-pc-bin package
[15:49] <smoltalk> enyc nah I'm good. Not much point since I don't plan on using non-UEFI. My understanding before I checked was that Subiquity can determine which bootloader(s) to install based on BIOS settings
[15:50] <enyc> smoltalk: well rather, the mode of which the machine was booted
[15:50] <enyc> smoltalk: when booting the installer
[15:50] <enyc> smoltalk: it gets more complex if you have installed OSes; generally you need them to be all uefi-booted or all bios booted
[15:51] <smoltalk> Oh, the installer was definitely booted using EFI for the same reason. WoeUSB did install a legacy boot loader, which is why I disabled non-UEFI boot in BIOS to avoid potential confusion. I'm not planning on dual booting on the machine in question
[15:51] <enyc> smoltalk: hrrm normally linux images should be written with  win32diskimager,  they are already hybrid multi-bootable images
[15:51] <enyc> smoltalk: i.e. not using USB writer to ''put bootloader'' on stick etc
[15:52] <SuperLag> Is it expected behavior in Noble that affected systemd services will just automatically restart, rather than giving you the ncurses-based screen where you're presented with the *option* as to whether you want that service restarted or not?
[15:52] <enyc> smoltalk: woeusb or similary *is* needed to deal with silly windows images that aren't already hybrid bootbale
[15:52] <SuperLag> (during an update)
[15:53] <enyc> smoltalk: fwiw; I get along well with  Ventoy  multi bootable sticks :O
[15:53] <smoltalk> enyc yeah oddly enough, even though WoeUSB's CLI documentation mentions that it does bootable Windows USB installers, it doesn't work on Win11, but it works fine for Linux ISOs. I had to find a separate program for that to set up on my old hardware. Can't recall the name of the program.
[15:55] <smoltalk> I saw Ventoy when looking into alternatives, but didn't end up doing that since I have a decent number of old thumb drives rattling around
[15:56] <smoltalk> SuperLag are you using noble server? I tried 22.04 server for the first time and was actually surprised to see the confirmation behavior
[15:58] <SuperLag> smoltalk: yep, Server.
[15:58] <SuperLag> smoltalk: and I have a custom systemd unit file for my IRC setup. It starts weechat on boot, in a tmux session.
[15:59] <u0_a232> hii
[15:59] <SuperLag> smoltalk: thing is, weechat just got updated, and it *automatically* restarted the service on 24.04 where on 22.04 and 23.10 it'd ask me to confirm if I wanted that, first.
[16:00] <smoltalk> SuperLag https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890#services-restart-on-unattended-upgrade-27 seems like this is an intentional change to support unattended-upgrades
[16:00] <smoltalk> link includes instructions on how to exclude specific services from this new behavior
[16:03] <smoltalk> SuperLag thanks for surfacing that! Will be helpful when I update my NAS
[16:03] <smoltalk> night y'all
[16:14] <scatto> hi
[16:14] <scatto> !list
[16:14] <oerheks> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[16:15] <rbox> lol
[17:01] <tomreyn> roadkill: the reason why you would have had one successful reboot and then a boot to black screen would likely be that during the first boot software (and possibly, kernel version) was upgraded, and then on the second boot you booted running th enewer software.
[17:02] <lavaball> how can i see what lua version mpv is compiled against?
[17:03] <oerheks> perhaps on launchpad? https://launchpad.net/mpv/+packages
[17:03] <luna_3> chrome closed unexpectedly and my computer does not have enough free memory to analyze the problem. 23.10 -- After chrome closed, shouldnt I have plenty of free memory now? What can I check?  (hanks)
[17:04] <lotuspsychj3> luna_3: chrome is not officialy supported by ubuntu
[17:04] <lotuspsychj3> chromium-browser does
[17:04] <oerheks> top or htop
[17:04] <lavaball> oerheks, thanks. look like you guys are actually using 5.2.
[17:06] <oerheks> or find the zombie process: ps aux | grep 'Z'
[17:27] <luna_3> now getting 23.10
[17:27] <Pizdec> hello
[17:28] <leftyfb> luna_3: why 23.10?
[17:29] <leftyfb> luna_3: 23.10 will be end of life in 6 months. I would recommend 22.04.4 or 24.04
[17:38] <MadLamb> I'm having some issue with razer thunderbolt 4 dock. I'm now on Ubuntu 24.04, but was also having the same issue on 23.10. I added a flag on the kernel pcie_aspm=false, and apparently that improved the situation but I still get some random disconnects and the message -> xHCI host controller not responding, assume dead
[17:43] <luna_3> leftyfb, I didnt know.  I wanted to have the  upgrade when offered.
[17:44] <leftyfb> luna_3: then why not just install 24.04?
[17:45] <luna_3> leftyfb, oh wouldnt "they"offer it to me?
[17:46] <lotuspsychj3> MadLamb: there are a few bugs around with your specific error there; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?field.searchtext=thunderbolt+4+dock&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&
[17:46] <lotuspsychj3> field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[17:46] <leftyfb> luna_3: if you're looking to have 24.04 installed on your machine, why don't you just install 24.04? Why install 23.10 just to immediately upgrade to 24.04?
[17:47] <lotuspsychj3> MadLamb: if you cant find your bug there, best to file a new one against your specific kernel version
[17:51] <luna_3> leftyfb, I didnt know I could immediately update to 24,04 -- I think it is a disservice to users (me) to be offered that. So I'll do that next.
[17:52] <leftyfb> luna_3: I meant a fresh install of 24.04
[17:52] <luna_3> ah leftyfb I cancelled.
[17:53] <luna_3> That is a lot of trouble. ign. My "other computer just died. (It has no-lights so I guess it's the power supply.)
[18:13] <Erotemic> The ChannelList page mentions that many chats are moving to matrix. Is this room mirrored to matrix? If so what is the address so I can join with that instead?
[18:13] <lotuspsychj3> not yet Erotemic
[18:13] <lotuspsychj3> there are going to be server tests soon
[18:14] <Erotemic> Cool. Decentralization is always nice.
[18:14] <lotuspsychj3> Erotemic: but you can already join ubuntu matrix channels nwo too
[18:14] <lotuspsychj3> created on the matrix self
[18:15] <lotuspsychj3> Erotemic: https://ubuntu.com/community/communications/matrix
[18:15] <JanC> Matrix isn't really more decentralised than IRC, unless you mean being on both at the same time  :)
[18:15] <Macer> is there a way to allow snap apps access to network shares?
[18:15] <Macer> they're not even showing up from the file selector when i click 'open' in the app
[18:16] <lotuspsychj3> Macer: all your snap options are in gnome settings/apps
[18:37] <darkdrgn2k> "linux-headers-6.8.0-1005-oem_6.8.0-1005.5_amd64.deb" <- what does the 1005 mean and "oem"
[18:37] <darkdrgn2k> is it just config of the kernel?
[18:38] <lotuspsychj3> darkdrgn2k: oem kernels are specific kernels for some computer brands
[18:38] <lotuspsychj3> darkdrgn2k: in some cases, the ubuntu setup picks oem kernel automaticly for your system
[18:38] <darkdrgn2k> yeh but do they differ from the generic ones?
[18:39] <darkdrgn2k> ok let me rewind a bit
[18:39]  * enyc ROARs
[18:39]  * enyc meows
[18:39] <lotuspsychj3> it has all what kernel 6.8 should have, but with your specific brand tweaks
[18:39] <enyc> darkdrgn2k: more to the point there is a .5 as well :O
[18:40] <darkdrgn2k> im using `6.8.0-1001-intel` kernel from a differnt repo. I want to compile nvidia drivers against it so i grab linux-intel-headers-6.8.0-1001_6.8.0-1001.7_all.deb but this seems to be missing files to compile
[18:40] <enyc> lotuspsychj3: due to particlar hardware oddities needing a *patch* or a different kconfig to build ???
[18:40] <darkdrgn2k> my plan was to extract linux-headers-6.8.0-1005-oem_6.8.0-1005.5_amd64.deb then extract linux-intel-headers-6.8.0-1001_6.8.0-1001.7_all.debon top of it to fill have the blanks filled in
[18:41] <rbox> darkdrgn2k: sounds like a great way to break things and/or have your compiel fail
[18:41] <darkdrgn2k> well the compile fails but the kernel wont load cause its thinks its the wrong kernel
[18:41] <darkdrgn2k> rbox: happy to hear a better path
[18:41] <Macer> oh seriously? lol
[18:42] <rbox> if it "seems to be missing files"
[18:42] <rbox> you should talk to the developers of wthaver arndom kernel this is
[18:42] <rbox> and tell them their packages are broken
[18:42] <darkdrgn2k> its intel :P
[18:42] <rbox> you should probably just use the regular kernel
[18:42] <rbox> and call it a day
[18:42] <darkdrgn2k> missing files i mean like autoconfig.h (i think thast the file)
[18:43] <darkdrgn2k> im trying to get a  new feature working on the latest inte processors.
[18:43] <Macer> lotuspsychj3: it doesn't seem like removable-media = network shares
[18:43] <darkdrgn2k> but i need to compile an nvidia driver against the same kernel
[18:43] <Macer> i can't seem to get libreoffice to access smb shares
[18:46] <darkdrgn2k> "         include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.
[18:46] <darkdrgn2k> "
[18:47] <rbox> thats gonna be like the one file that you need to match the actual kernel
[18:49] <darkdrgn2k> but thats my question
[18:49] <darkdrgn2k> 1005 vs 1001 what the actually diff
[18:49] <rbox> you'd have to download the source and look at the differnedce
[18:49] <rbox> but an oem kernel isn't the same as a kernel thats not oem
[18:49] <rbox> sop if you're using intel, its 100% irrelvent
[18:53] <darkdrgn2k> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/  intel only have 5.13 :(
[18:59] <Macer> well. it seems that my sluggishness is related to snap/snapd .. anything installed with snap is super slow
[19:23] <Macer> is it still possible to remove snap altogether and use ubuntu/debian repos instead?
[19:24] <oerheks> then you won' t be able to get pro/livepatch
[19:25] <Macer> :/
[19:25] <Macer> wonder if i can get debian working on this. fedora wouldn't wake up from sleep. not sure what kind of magic ubuntu uses to get that working on this old mbp
[19:26] <Macer> i'm sure the broadcom wifi will be a nightmare and sleep/resume probably won't work either just like fedora
[19:27] <rbox> you dont bhave to remove snap to not use it
[19:35] <Macer> rbox: yeah it seems that you can just use apt vs the app manager app
[19:36] <Macer> but i thought there was awkwardness with that. such as apt installing the ff snap vs the pkg
[19:37] <rbox> removing snap isn't going to magically add new packages to the repos
[19:37] <JeffH> What is the point of snap?
[19:37] <CosmicDJ> Macer: some apps like firefox or thunderbird are snap only now
[19:38] <rbox> Snaps are a secure and scalable way to embed applications on Linux devices. A snap is an application containerised with all its dependencies.
[19:38] <oerheks> hop distro if you don' t like snaps?
[19:38] <JeffH> rbox: kind of like how Mac has packaged its apps for quite a while now?
[19:39] <rbox> no clue what mac does
[19:39] <Macer> figure flatpak also packages apps in the same manner minus the squashfs?
[19:40] <Macer> rbox: i understand the concept. but it seems like there is a lot of sluggishness with snap apps vs native pkgs. i'll see what i can work out using apt.
[19:40] <oerheks> flatpak does not give settings like snap does.
[19:40] <rbox> yes flatpak is similar
[19:41] <oerheks> it is known that a 1st start can be timeconsuming, might be updating the snap first
[19:41] <JeffH> I can see the value of snap for embedded applications.  Seems a bit overkill for a desktop.
[19:41] <Macer> i mean it makes sense. it just doesn't seem to work very fast. i'm seeing much faster speeds for loading etc when installing native pkgs vs using snaps. also little things like snaps not being able to access network shares seems to be quite a hangup.
[19:41] <Macer> even if you try to add the connection
[19:42] <rbox> JeffH: i would never use it for embedded... too big
[19:42] <Macer> i am still wondering if the luks encryption is slowing things down too
[19:42] <rbox> Macer: yes
[19:42] <Macer> i'm getting high wait io times still so maybe
[19:43] <Macer> but a couple pkg apps vs snap apps went must faster.
[19:43] <Macer> *much
[19:44] <Macer> let me give libreoffice a go and see if that has improved performance as well.
[19:44] <Macer> the libreoffice ui was acting flakey in the snap as well
[19:47] <oerheks> on that smb share?
[19:48] <oerheks> smb v2 or higher setting can improve speed
[19:49] <oerheks> client min protocol = SMB2  client max protocol = SMB3
[19:50] <jpmh> I'm not understanding something about rsync - to get this to the simplest I did: rsync -a  /home/ /tmp/home - since I had the -a I expected the ownerships to be preserved.  All directories in /home were owned by the expected user, in /tmp/home all by root.  I did do this as the root - what am I missing here?
[19:53] <oerheks> rsync preservs ownership indeed, --archive, -a            archive mode is -rlptgoD (no -A,-X,-U,-N,-H)
[19:54] <oerheks> did you try to set it back, does it keep ownership?
[19:54] <jpmh> oerheks: yes - but it is not - so, what am I doing wrong?
[19:54] <jpmh> oerheks: what do you mean by "set it back"?
[19:54] <oerheks> from /tmp/home  to home
[19:56] <jpmh> oerheks: I do not want to damage my /home - and I just chose this as an example that is simple to understand and shows the issue
[20:08] <oerheks> you only find out when you set the backup back, no?
[20:08] <oerheks> choose some other folder as test?
[20:08] <oerheks> many guides show  rsync -avz but just -a should do
[20:09] <jpmh> oerheks: NO!  I do an ls -la /home and and ls -la /tmp/home - and I expect that the ownership of each directory therein will be the same
[20:14] <jpmh> oerheks: 1) I originally was using -auvz and removed each letter in turn, just in case.  And, I have tried other directories and have the same issue
[20:22] <luna_3> Matrix is run from my browser (canonical sent me there) and so it is more trackable than irc.
[20:25] <luna_3> lotuspsychj3> Macer: all your snap options are in gnome settings/apps  --- Please tell me where that is more specifically.  )I have been looking up line by line almost in this interesting but baffling discussion herein. - I want a list of my installed apps to help me reinstall them after I do a clean install.
[20:26] <oerheks> snap list
[20:27] <oerheks> and settings > applications give snap permissions
[20:27] <luna_3> (I give up following after being over an hour behind. My question about getting a list of what I have installed so I can put it back -  after doing a clean install to 24.04
[20:27] <luna_3> oerheks, I'' try that.
[20:30] <Macer> oerheks: i doubt that's the issue. i just installed the apt pkg instead and it works just fine. so i'll just go with that.
[20:30] <Macer> i'll just avoid snaps at all costs heh
[20:30] <luna_3> those are mostly system stuff .. gnome gtk snapd softwear-boutique  ubuntu-mate-welcome -- the only one I have installed in hexchat (and mate)
[20:31] <luna_3> When will the first update to 24.04 come out, so others may find the best bugs...
[21:15] <imi> hi, I have 2 questions
[21:16] <imi> first question: how does one upgrade an up-to-date Ubuntu 22.04 jammy desktop to 24.04 LTS?
[21:17] <JanC> not (yet)
[21:17] <imi> :'(
[21:17] <younder> You will be asked if you want to upgrade when 22.04.1 is released in july.
[21:17] <imi> I see
[21:17] <oerheks> as usual
[21:17] <JanC> or August
[21:17] <imi> thanks
[21:18] <imi> then I suppose the same will happen on the server as well
[21:19] <younder> If you can't wait there is a do-release-upgrade -d, but that is not recommended for critical systems.
[21:20] <oerheks> indeed, we do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[21:21] <younder> I have it running on a couple of PI's, while the server and workstation still use 22.04 LTS
[21:21] <imi> ok don't worry I can wait
[21:21] <oerheks> 24.04 and pi 5 ?
[21:21] <oerheks> !releasenotes
[21:22] <younder> The PI's now running 24.04 are PI 4's
[21:22] <imi> why is that on my server there's an 5.x kernel on my destop there is a 6.x server?
[21:22] <oerheks> hwe probably
[21:23] <imi> both up to date x64
[21:23] <oerheks> on a fresh install hwe is enabled standard
[21:23] <oerheks> !hwe
[21:24] <younder> with hwe you get a 6.5 kernel while 22.04 has 6.8 kernel, default for 22.04 is a 5.15
[21:24] <imi> what makes an LTS releate an existing LTS release?
[21:24] <oerheks> when released in upgrade, there is an online list what versions are
[21:26] <younder> I noticed the 22.04.1 offers a 12 years extended support period instead of 10
[21:26] <oerheks> younder, the catch is not the desktop..
[21:26] <younder> ahh
[21:28] <oerheks> ubuntu-security-status
[21:39] <dlsnd> for a price
[22:43] <luna_3> HOW CAN i GET THE MIRROR IMAGE OF A SHOT (SO i CAN READ THE TEXT)?  tHANKS - IE WHAT PROGRAM?
[22:43] <luna_3> oops
[22:47] <oerheks> !info darktable
[22:55] <tomreyn> luna_3: ^ gimp works, too. maybe shotwell also.
[22:56] <JanC> if you just want to flip an image to read a text on it, just the default image viewer will do...
[22:57] <JanC> (also: you can't read mirrored text? :) )
[22:57] <Macer> https://pastebin.com/Vc82TJwx hm
[22:57] <Macer> what is going on with sssd there?
[22:58] <Macer> lots of 'invalid arguments' in journalctl -xe
[22:59] <jpmh> oerheks: just an update on that WEIRD -a situation.  Actually, it was MY lack of patience.  It transfers ALL the directories and creates them as root, then, when it has transfered the files there it changes the attributes.
[22:59] <jpmh> oerheks: ty so much for your patience though
[23:07] <oerheks> jpmh, have fun!
[23:08] <oerheks> the ' other folder' did the trick ?
[23:08] <jpmh> oerheks: NO - just letting it run to completion did the trick
[23:09] <jpmh> there was enough in the /home that it did take some time
[23:09] <oerheks> oh oke
[23:09] <oerheks> rsync -avz  does some compression to speed up
[23:10] <jpmh> oerheks: yes - and that is what I always use, I just I had never looked at the directories as they were created and before they were populated before
[23:11] <jpmh> and actually, on the same machine, the -z does actually slow it down
[23:12] <Macer> ah seels like sssd was configured for sockets
[23:12] <Macer> but default sssd install adds nss, pam to services
[23:12] <Macer> that's weird
[23:13] <Macer> ● sssd-pac.service                                                                                loaded failed failed    SSSD PAC Service responder
[23:13] <Macer> still can't figure that one out though
[23:51] <highrate> playing around with latest ubuntu, logged in my steam account, do I need to install wine before some games work?
[23:52] <rbox> steam has everyhting you need to make games work
[23:53] <highrate> i guess its my game choice then
[23:53] <highrate> cause its not working
[23:54] <highrate> nice cause this is the first time steam worked for me
[23:54] <highrate> maybe halo infinite will work


[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: I dont know, I'm going to definitely talk to the social media person about that. I think they were referring to the movie "Rudy".
[15:39] <mparillo> In the US, it was a pretty popular feel-good movie about American (specifically Notre Dame) Football, but could be viewed as a parable.


[10:03] <Laney> sooooooooooo there's a bunch of stuff in hirsute's NEW queue at the minute https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[10:04] <Laney> synced from private archives, and that means that I can't download the source it seems
[10:04] <Laney> wanted a sense check on this - I think that copying into a public queue "should" make the copied artifacts available
[10:05] <Laney> is that fair?
[10:10] <ogra> Laney, ubuntu-release has been added to the PPA
[10:10] <ogra> so that reviewing should be possible
[10:11] <ogra> (and once they are approved they will become public anyway)
[10:11] <Laney> right, that's why it's a #launchpad question
[10:12] <Laney> ubuntu-archive would probably be a slightly better team for this case, but thanks for that
[10:12] <Laney> tomwardill: ^--- my question
[10:12] <Laney> I'll file a bug if your answer is yes :-)
[10:13] <ogra> i think the current state is a safety net ... what if someone accidentially copies sensitive stuff to the public queue
[10:14] <Laney> that might make more sense if all copies from private archives always got held, but you only get that safety net here because it's NEW or the archive happens to be frozen
[10:14] <tomwardill> I think that is the rationale, but I don't know enough for sure. I'd have to ask cjwatson or wgrant :)
[10:14] <Laney> so I think it's more luck than judgement
[10:14] <ogra> heh, k
[10:14] <ogra> i didnt take that into account 🙂
[10:15] <Laney> and in the latter case, queue admins then "should" implicitly get access to the source I guess
[10:15] <ogra> (i was initially suprised, but thinking about the behaviour it seemed to make sense)
[10:15] <Laney> I see the rationale if it's deliberatly and consistently implemented :p
[10:15] <cjwatson> Laney: Could be a reasonable argument.  At the moment unembargoing only happens once the source package is actually published publicly
[10:15] <ogra> right, i assumed it was
[10:16] <cjwatson> We could certainly consider doing something for queue admins
[10:16] <cjwatson> Could you file a bug?
[10:16] <Laney> Yep, thanks for the pre-discussion
[10:20] <cjwatson> It's possible this may be difficult at the moment for the same sort of reason that https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/851562 is difficult, though
[10:20] <cjwatson> i.e. the copy doesn't actually quite know on the spot exactly what to make public right now
[10:22] <cjwatson> Laney: ^
[10:26] <Laney> cjwatson: Ah, thanks. I am sort of vaguely aware of this kind of difficulty in the things copies know about themselves
[10:26] <Laney> This particular case is very rare of course, so it'll be prioritised accordingly
[10:36] <Laney> bug #1923177
[10:36] <Laney> cheers all


[10:01]  * quadrispro NM in progress
[10:04] <persia> Good luck!
[10:16] <astraljava> NM as in New Maintainer?
[10:19] <falktx> i think it is Network Manager
[10:21] <persia> It's both, but in this case, very likely to be the Debian New Maintainer process
[10:50] <astraljava> Yeah, due to following #debian-multimedia and #debian-ubuntu on oftc, I figured as much. :D
[11:21] <quadrispro> persia, thank you
[11:22] <quadrispro> almost finished :P<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:10] <falktx> hi there
[14:11] <falktx> will we have jack2 on 10.10?
[14:14] <falktx> has this been discussed already?
[14:15] <falktx> (I read somewhere about this, can't remember where)
[14:17] <scott-work> hi falktx
[14:17] <scott-work> jack2 is in debian and hopefully will be in 10.10
[14:18] <scott-work> crimsun, The.Muso and others are working on getting it and Pule Audio to play nicely together within the Ubuntu framework
[14:19] <scott-work> i would like to talk with you about getting your work into Ubuntu (via Debian) though
[14:19] <scott-work> you have already witnessed and commented on how slow REVU takes to get new packages into Ubuntu, however another vector exists
[14:20] <scott-work> this is through Debian, and for audio specific packages we have worked with the Debian Multimedia team
[14:20] <falktx> i'll stay on lucid for now (for KXStudio), but i'll be happy to help
[14:21] <falktx> have you check the "pulse-jack" package
[14:21] <falktx> I think there are many ppl interested on that
[14:21] <scott-work> is the "pulse-jack" package part of KXStudio?
[14:22] <falktx> it's in my "lucid" ppa
[14:22] <falktx> it's not kxstudio related script
[14:22] <falktx> but, of course, it's used on it
[14:22] <scott-work> while I have already downloaded KXStudio, accessing your PPA to inspect a package will be easier :)
[14:24] <falktx> i need to say this
[14:24] <scott-work> Debian has a much more robust program for accepting new packages, which is why getting them into Debian sometimes (or possibly manytimes) is a quicker path to get them into Ubuntu
[14:24] <falktx> i'm pretty glad launchpad exists!
[14:24] <scott-work> hah!  yes, it is pretty sweet :D
[14:25] <scott-work> the more I explore it, the more it amazes me
[14:26] <scott-work> I want to speak with quadrispro and/or fabrice_sp (and possibly astraljava) about getting your packaging into Debian and then into Ubuntu
[14:26] <scott-work> you are a dynamic and robust packager and I want to harness that to Ubuntu (and Ubuntu Studio's specific) benefit
[14:27] <falktx> haha
[14:27] <falktx> my hard works is "compensating"
[14:29] <falktx> tell me what i need to do to help
[14:32] <scott-work> sorry, i'm at work, therefore i'll be away from time to time
[14:33] <scott-work> re: help - Ubuntu Studio is part of Ubuntu (which is derived from Debian), therefore to reap the rewards afforded by Ubuntu's infrastructure we must constrain ourselves within it's paradigms
[14:33] <scott-work> which basically means, we have to play by their rules, especially when it comes to packaging
[14:34] <scott-work> i haven't looked at any of your packages in a while, have you been trying to follow the Ubuntu or Debian packaing policy (i.e. /debian directory, et al)?
[14:35] <scott-work> (this would greatly facilitate getting packages into Debian/Ubuntu)
[14:37] <scott-work> but I must add, you packaging all the audio applications is already quite a lot of help!
[14:42] <falktx> i have a set of templates for packaging
[14:42] <falktx> i just copy, modify a few lines
[14:42] <falktx> and it's done
[14:43] <falktx> the debian/copyright only says "packaged by falkTX"
[14:43] <falktx> the debian/rules use cdbs
[14:44] <falktx> with only build::
[14:44] <falktx> and common-install::
[14:44] <falktx> that's the fatest way of packaging for me (for PPA purposes)
[14:45] <falktx> I still don't know how to use quilt
[14:45] <falktx> and i'm guessing this will be the biggest problem, as I sometimes add patches/modify the source
[14:46] <falktx> (better ladish integration, compilation fixes, etc)
[14:54] <scott-work> i'm a packaging hack myself, so i'll have to ask quadrispro or persia how that might impact
[14:54] <persia> Lots of ways work.  I personally prefer using /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.tiny
[14:55] <falktx> i believe that my debian/rules are fine
[14:55] <persia> But in general, except for new stuff, we follow debian-multimedia practice, and if we're putting new stuff in Debian we'd do best to start that way.
[14:55] <scott-work> hi persia, i meant more about quilt and modifying source
[14:55] <persia> falktx: They are absolutely fine :)  I'm just sharing my personal preference.
[14:55] <falktx> good, that makes me happy
[14:56] <falktx> but please note that some packages are copied from somewhere else
[14:56] <falktx> debian testing, other ppas, etc
[14:56] <falktx> but most of them are mine
[14:57] <falktx> philip5 also has good packages
[14:57] <persia> For quilt, it's mostly just using `quilt push`, `quilt pop`, `quilt new`, and `quilt edit`
[14:58] <falktx> i'll have to learn about that sometime later
[15:18] <scott-work> falktx, did you ever sort out the IRC color issue you mentioned before?
[15:18] <falktx> not really
[15:18] <scott-work> in xchat, my text is red when someone uses my name
[15:19] <falktx> me too , using konversation
[15:19] <falktx> i'm just not used to irc
[15:19] <falktx> how do you do like
[15:19] <falktx> falktx thinks bla bla
[15:19] <falktx> (here appears in blue)
[15:19] <falktx> ?
[15:20] <scott-work> i never used IRC before i started working with the ubuntu studio developers
[15:20] <scott-work> lol, there were lots of things i never did before i started working with the ubuntu studio developers
[15:20] <scott-work> but i like the red (or blue) text, it helps to locate where someone is addressing you directly
[15:21] <falktx> so how do i get the blue, "my-thoughts" like thing?
[15:22] <scott-work> One of the most useful options, nick/line highlighting, is turned off by default. To enable it, go to Settings » Configure Konversation… » Highlight. Check the options for Always highlight own current nick and Always highlight own lines, and choose colors for them. One good choice is red for current nick, and green for own lines
[15:22] <scott-work> i didn't just type that myself, i copied from a website tutorial
[15:23] <scott-work> http://docs.zetaboards.com/irc/konversation
[15:24] <falktx> konversation is good per default
[15:24] <falktx> i only enable the systray
[15:24] <falktx> what i'm trying to do is something like this
[15:24] <falktx> (copied from another channel):
[15:24] <falktx> * nedko notices evil use of printf
[15:25] <falktx> how do I do that?
[15:25]  * scott-work is wondering if falktx means this?
[15:26] <scott-work> you type "/me action"
[15:26] <scott-work> without quotes
[15:26]  * scott-work action
[15:26] <falktx> ha!
[15:26] <falktx> let me try
[15:26]  * falktx is happy
[15:26] <falktx> hahaaaaaa
[15:27]  * falktx is going to play soccer today, and he's very excited about it
[15:27] <falktx> many thanks!!!!!
[15:28] <scott-work> your welcome :)
[15:29] <falktx> my life has meaning now, LOL
[15:30] <falktx> doesn't upload too many stuff to launchpad makes it slow?
[15:31] <falktx> sometimes I get the idea that the more uploads i do, the more I'll have to wait
[15:35] <scott-work> i've never felt that launchpad was optimized for browser speed, but neither have i felt that is has slowed down either
[15:37] <falktx> i mean
[15:37] <falktx> i've made lots of uploads today
[15:37] <falktx> (around 50)
[15:38] <falktx> now i have to wait 5 hours
[15:38] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/kxstudio/+build/1749550
[15:39] <scott-work> oh, you mean for the builds
[15:42] <scott-work> yes, the build farm hosts a discreet number of virtual builders and the total number of builds queued (plus their priority) will affect build times
[17:07] <scott-work> persia:  there might have been a misconception (my fault) when we spoke last about gnome-network-admin
[17:08] <persia> How do you mean?
[17:08] <scott-work> persia:  my description was incomplete when i said i saw the options, i did see the options but they were greyed out and i was unable to change them
[17:08] <scott-work> so this affects not only wireless but also wired connections
[17:09] <persia> Right.  That matches my memory of when I had facilities to replicate.
[17:09] <scott-work> i realized afterwards how misleading this might be, especially coupled with your comment "maybe, this only affects wireless, weird" ( or something to that effect)
[17:10] <scott-work> and i did not want to mislead you :)
[17:10] <persia> Yeah, I was a bit confused.  I'm glad to have my prior understandign restored.
[17:11] <scott-work> :)
[17:11] <scott-work> oh, i sent an email to Luis last night, i am unsure if he will be responsive though


[00:11] <Akriss> AnthonyUK, Just a thought I had for you. maybe try running Mythtv in a virtual machine in windows?
[00:47] <AnthonyUK> bk
[00:47] <AnthonyUK> hmm I didn't think of that
[00:47] <AnthonyUK> I have no clue with virtual machines but its high time i actually learnt them
[00:47] <AnthonyUK> thanks
[00:48] <AnthonyUK> Thanks Akriss I'll give it a try
[05:03] <qwebirc8214> Hi. Just moved over to Mythbuntu 12.04.2 64 bit. I'm setting up from scratch using previously working Lifeview DVB-T tuners. They scan fine with w_scan and scan but not with dvbscan and in mythtv-setup. Any ideas?
[11:30] <markosu> Have somebody else noticed that mythbuntu log grabber gives message THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api ?
[11:35] <markosu> I dont know what version I have and how to check it
[18:55] <tdotr6> Hey Guy's I have spent over 3 days trying this , multi purchase on differnt hardware and googled for the life of me. I have come to the gods of IRC to see maybe If they will avoid me hanging my self if a few hours.
[18:56] <tdotr6> I have a HVR 1600, and would like to get Analog NTSC Cable to scan, I have the IVTV drivers installed and it works if i run the ivtv-tune command , I just am unable in mythtv to get the channels to scan they all come up LOCKED


[02:27] <Takyoji> Anyone know how to fix a harddrive from being 512B sector size to 4KB sector size?
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I don't think you can change that.
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> It's a low-level format done at the factory.
[02:40] <Takyoji> No, the hardware IS 4K
[02:46] <Takyoji> WDC WD1001FALS
[02:46] <Takyoji> Unless if you can find information that it isn't 4K sector
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> hrm
[03:08] <Takyoji> It's how Ubuntu set it to be aligned by default when formatted, I believe.
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> Check the mkfs man page.


[00:01] <holstein> prep: that PPA didnt do it?
[00:03] <holstein> prep: do you have those 2 lines added?
[00:03] <holstein> you should run
[00:04] <holstein> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 051D8B58
[00:04] <holstein> then sudo apt-get update
[00:04] <holstein> then sudo apt-get install buzztard
[00:04] <holstein> ASSUMING
[00:05] <holstein> you added both ...
[00:05] <holstein> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gstreamer-developers/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[00:05] <holstein> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/gstreamer-developers/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[00:05] <holstein> to your sources
[00:11] <holstein> looks like a good how-to here though
[00:11] <holstein> http://www.buzztard.org/index.php/Building#Ubuntu
[00:11] <holstein> if for some reason that doesnt work out
[00:11]  * holstein gotta run again...
[02:43] <prep> I did that, it added the key, then nothing.
[02:45] <prep> says it's still locked.
[03:54] <holstein> prep: hmmm
[03:54] <holstein> can you pastebin me the error sometime?
[14:39] <prep> Holstein, you on?
[17:59] <Davidmp> Hey what gdm is this? http://ubuntustudio.org/files/US3.png
[17:59] <holstein> hey Davidmp
[17:59]  * holstein looking
[18:00] <holstein> AFAIK
[18:00] <holstein> thats just the ubuntu studio themeing
[18:00] <holstein> applied to the gnome login
[18:00] <Davidmp> ok
[18:00] <Davidmp> do i need to run a terminal command to get it?
[18:01] <holstein> i think there is a newer one now
[18:01] <holstein> with plymouth??
[18:01] <holstein> whatever the recent changes were
[18:01] <Davidmp> oh
[18:01] <Davidmp> newer :/
[18:01] <Davidmp> looked better lol
[18:01] <holstein> Davidmp: there are 2 splash screen packages for ubuntustudio
[18:02] <holstein> in the repos
[18:02] <holstein> and one of them doesnt work anymore
[18:02] <holstein> and i think thats the one
[18:02] <Davidmp> ah ok
[18:02] <holstein> im sure there is a way though
[18:02] <Davidmp> i can dig out another ubuntu studio gdm i guess
[18:02] <holstein> you could downgrade a bunch of stuff
[18:02] <holstein> but i wouldnt do that
[18:03] <Davidmp> yeah
[18:03] <holstein> Davidmp: the themeing is really nice :)
[18:03] <holstein> and yeah, that was slick
[18:03] <Davidmp> yeah i love ubuntu studio one of the best distros
[18:03] <Davidmp> softwares is the best
[18:04] <Davidmp> i have one more question why does my mouse keep moving on its own?
[18:04] <holstein> hmmm
[18:04] <holstein> that aint good
[18:05] <holstein> i got a friend with an old thinkpad
[18:05] <holstein> and the little stick in the middle of the keyboard is dying
[18:05] <holstein> so he has to disable the hardware in the bios
[18:05] <holstein> and use an external mouse
[18:05] <holstein> Davidmp: sounds like hardware
[18:05] <Davidmp> mm odd
[18:05] <holstein> is it a touchpad?
[18:05] <Davidmp> yes
[18:06] <Davidmp> i have a external mouse to
[18:06] <holstein> Davidmp: are you dual booting anything?
[18:06] <Davidmp> i use it for zooming etc.
[18:06] <Davidmp> yes windows and ubuntu studio
[18:06] <holstein> is it funky in windows?
[18:06] <Davidmp> no
[18:06] <holstein> hmmm
[18:06] <holstein> Davidmp: i would try and isolate the problem
[18:06] <holstein> to either the touchpad
[18:06] <holstein> or the external mouse
[18:06] <holstein> and start poking around about the drivers
[18:07] <holstein> cause that aint right
[18:07] <Davidmp> it seems to go to links which is really annoying
[18:07] <holstein> you get more options
[18:07] <holstein> like 2 and 3 finger taps
[18:07] <holstein> and the middle mouse
[18:07] <holstein> button
[18:07] <Davidmp> yeah
[18:07] <holstein> usually takes some tweaking
[18:08] <holstein> or time to get used to it
[18:08] <Davidmp> how do i disable the thinkpad? O.o
[18:08] <holstein> i miss all that now
[18:08] <Davidmp> o
[18:08] <holstein> when im in front of windows or OSX
[18:08] <holstein> anyways
[18:08] <holstein> Davidmp: so you unpluf the external mouse
[18:08] <holstein> and it still does it?
[18:08] <Davidmp> yes
[18:09] <holstein> well, thats enough then
[18:09] <holstein> i would run lspci
[18:09] <Davidmp> thinkpad's shot?
[18:09] <holstein> i would think if the pad was bad
[18:09] <holstein> it would do that in windows too
[18:09] <Davidmp> hm
[18:10] <Davidmp> do you think it might have something to do with compiz?
[18:10] <holstein> could
[18:10] <holstein> you can turn that off easy enough
[18:10] <holstein> and tesxt
[18:10] <holstein> test*
[18:10] <holstein> but i bet you need to blacklist a module or enable a backport
[18:10] <holstein> or both
[18:10] <holstein> thats one of those fiddly things
[18:11] <holstein> i got the same kind of thing going on
[18:11] <holstein> i got an older desktop
[18:11] <Davidmp> yeahh it still does it..
[18:11] <Davidmp> :/
[18:11] <holstein> im making a media center PC out of it
[18:11] <Davidmp> lol nice
[18:11] <holstein> and the sound card is not recognized
[18:11] <holstein> im going to spend about 20 minutes on it
[18:12] <Davidmp> :p
[18:12] <holstein> then im just going to disable it in the bios and get another card from my stack of spard parts :)
[18:12] <Davidmp> :p
[18:12] <Davidmp> sounds fun
[18:12] <Davidmp> lol
[18:12] <holstein> thats the thing with linux
[18:12] <holstein> you can do anything with it you want
[18:13] <Davidmp> yep
[18:13] <holstein> but figuring out how to do it can be challenging
[18:13] <Davidmp> its worth it
[18:14] <holstein> if i was installing windows on it
[18:14] <holstein> i bet i could find all the drivers i need
[18:14] <holstein> maybe
[18:14] <holstein> but they totally wouldnt be 'in the kernel'
[18:14] <holstein> i mean, *usually* these days, everything is out-of-the-box
[18:15] <holstein> i just got some funky old hardware
[18:15] <Davidmp> yea
[18:17] <Davidmp> so hard to choose usplash -.-
[18:17] <holstein> just remember how long you actually spend looking at it ;)
[18:18] <Davidmp> lol
[18:27] <holstein> hey
[18:27] <holstein> that was easy
[18:28] <holstein> for some reason the mute button was on after install :)
[18:28] <holstein> too easy
[22:31] <maheanuu> Iaorana Ia Oe,  paradise is a frame of mind
[22:32] <maheanuu> As usual, this noobs got a question
[22:35] <holstein> maheanuu: whats up?
[22:36] <maheanuu> I would very much like to be able to run "Studio" and have wifi enabled as my ethernet run is next to impossible to do, and I would also like to disable it if I am working in Sound.
[22:36] <maheanuu> Hi mike, and thanks for the last help you provided I really appreciate your taking the time with me
[22:37] <holstein> :)
[22:37] <holstein> maheanuu: i wouldnt worry about it
[22:37] <holstein> if you got a prettty serious box
[22:37] <holstein> the network manager will probably be cool running along with JACK
[22:37] <holstein> especially if you have the network disabled while your tracking
[22:38] <maheanuu> I believe in thanking those who help
[22:38] <holstein> maheanuu: did you install the gnome network applet?
[22:38] <maheanuu> I cannot find network manager
[22:38] <holstein> to get your wireless working?
[22:38] <holstein> maheanuu: well, you should know
[22:38] <holstein> there is a reason why its not included
[22:38] <holstein> but you can install it easy enough
[22:38] <holstein> if your online
[22:38] <maheanuu> No I think that I am TSTO these days
[22:39] <holstein> youcan search for nm-applet ??
[22:39]  * holstein checking on that
[22:39] <maheanuu> Yes and is saw that it interferes with the sound studio, but I want to disable that if I am using sound
[22:41] <holstein> i think you'll find all the packages you need in network-manager-gnome
[22:42] <holstein> maheanuu: its rather unlikely that it will interfere
[22:42] <holstein> on a modern box
[22:42] <holstein> whats wrong with your current set-up maheanuu ?
[22:42] <holstein> if your able to get online and all
[22:43] <maheanuu> it tells me that it is already running
[22:43] <holstein> nm-applet?
[22:43] <holstein> maheanuu: its probably up there near the time
[22:43] <maheanuu> yes
[22:43] <holstein> maheanuu: was this an upgrade?
[22:43] <holstein> from vanilla?
[22:44] <holstein> or maybe you added that package
[22:44] <holstein> either way
[22:44] <maheanuu> only thing there is the pulse audio applett
[22:44] <holstein> i wouldnt worry about it
[22:44] <holstein> hmmm
[22:44] <holstein> maheanuu: what disc did you use to install?
[22:44] <maheanuu> Yes, I was running 10.04 and changed to Studio 10.04
[22:45] <maheanuu> The 64 bit one
[22:45] <holstein> well, i dont know where your applet went
[22:45] <maheanuu> heh
[22:45] <maheanuu> me either
[22:45] <holstein> i think its attached to some other stuff now
[22:45] <holstein> in lucid
[22:46] <maheanuu> I am a rather old and in the way user, but trying like the devil to gain some knowledge and pass it on to people on this island so that they get a little further into the stream
[22:47] <holstein> right on
[22:47] <holstein> did you install all the themeing too?
[22:47] <maheanuu> I have a half dozen professors from the Lycee here who are very interested in forming a lug and teaching the kids/adults linux  including themselves...  we are just getting ready for our first meeting
[22:47] <holstein> that applet is running somewhere
[22:47] <holstein> if you running nm-applet
[22:47] <holstein> and its says its running
[22:47] <holstein> its somewhere
[22:48] <holstein> maheanuu: NICE
[22:48] <holstein> i just sent an email out to my local LUG list :)
[22:48] <maheanuu> is there any way to find out where it is running
[22:48] <maheanuu> where are you mike
[22:48] <maheanuu> I think i asked you the other day but apparently forgot
[22:49] <holstein> ashveille north carolina US
[22:49] <holstein> maheanuu: some panel should be displaying it
[22:49] <maheanuu> I saw some of your posts in the forums...   Thats rite...   I cant remember my name thiese days
[22:50] <maheanuu> Is there a command to see where it might be running or to see what it is associated with?
[22:51] <holstein> well, its associated with network manager
[22:51] <holstein> and its just always been there :/
[22:53] <holstein> maheanuu: laptop right?
[22:53] <holstein> is the batter icon up there?
[22:54] <holstein> battery*
[22:54] <maheanuu> Ok, I will look in networking and networks and see if I can find it in there...  If it is running, then it should be able to see my wifi router shouldn't it?
[22:54] <maheanuu> No, there is no battery icon anywhere
[22:56] <holstein> maheanuu: OK
[22:56] <holstein> right click on the panel
[22:56] <holstein> and select 'add to panel'
[22:56] <holstein> find 'notification area'
[22:56] <holstein> and add it
[22:58] <maheanuu> I click on add and nothing is happening or at least it isn't accepting the "add"
[22:59] <holstein> try adding something else and make sure
[22:59] <holstein> its probably up there
[22:59] <holstein> you might want to log out and back in
[22:59] <holstein> i see a bug report about it
[22:59] <holstein> and several different soloutiongs
[22:59] <holstein> solotions*
[23:00] <holstein> based on other variables
[23:00] <maheanuu> Log out of Ubuntu then back in?
[23:01] <holstein> yup
[23:01] <maheanuu> I tried to select several others and nothing happens
[23:01] <maheanuu> Ok bbiab
[23:01] <holstein> maheanuu:
[23:01] <holstein> hey
[23:01] <maheanuu> Yes
[23:01] <holstein> did you do something funky to your panels?
[23:01] <holstein> gnome is expecting a panel
[23:01] <holstein> to put those in
[23:01] <maheanuu> No not to my knowledge, but that doesn't mean much
[23:02] <holstein> hmmm
[23:02] <holstein> maheanuu: well, try that logout
[23:02] <maheanuu> 'K
[23:18] <holstein> hmmm
[23:18] <holstein> that aint good :/


[10:58] <popey> godbyk: i tried running the install-tl script on 13.10 and then ran the install packages script and it barfed saying Tex not installed ☹
[11:26] <popey> seems to be doing more this time
[11:30]  * popey bodged the script as it doesn't mention 13.10
[11:43] <popey> Done!  You should now be able to compile the Ubuntu manual!
[11:43] <popey> \o/
[11:44] <popey> -rw-r--r--   1 alan alan 2.8M Oct  4 12:44 ubuntu-manual.pdf
[11:44] <popey> \o/
[11:50] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-manual/fix-bug-1235206/+merge/189274