[12:50] <madgod> oh major lulz i fixed it
[12:50] <madgod> thanks anyways
[12:51] <x1101> glowy: i think you need at least the java jre installed
[12:51] <x1101> glowy: do you install vai command line or GUI
[12:51] <glowy> x1101: both :D im downloading the java 6 webstart via gui now
[12:51] <arvind> i installed HH alpha6 but i still hav my old kernel shown at the start up
[12:51] <arvind> why?
[12:52] <glowy> arvind: why didnt u install the new beta?
[12:52] <minimec> arvind: Di dyou do an upgrade from gutsy? In this case it is logic.
[12:52] <x1101> glowy: sounds good
[12:52] <arvind> is the beta out?
[12:52] <glowy> arvind: i guess thats just the string in grub loader
[12:53] <arvind> its on 27 th
[12:53] <stefg> Hi, can someone help me remember the name of the compiz-plugin that zooms out and shows your desktops/viewports side by side ... i had that on ubuntu gutsy, but can't remember the name or find out if i have it already
[12:54] <arvind> glowy ,i upgraded frm gutsy o
[12:55] <combat> stefg, maybe expo?
[12:56] <arvind> when is HH beta release?
[12:56] <minimec> arvind: As you upgraded from gutsy, hardy keeps the latest gutsy kernel to have a running system in case of fail... I guess with sudo apt-get autoclean you can remove it.
[12:56] <glowy> arvind: so i'm pretty sure u have the new kernel installed. the string at startup doesnt check the kernel but just display the predefined
[12:57] <arvind> i have <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[12:57] <arvind> glowy,wat abt beta
[12:59] <stefg> combat: thx.. #compiz-fusion got me going
[13:01] <Wicks> Hi all - just upgraded to hardy beta... when logging into gnome, I'm getting "gnome-settings-deamon" not starting...
[13:01] <Wicks> i have a feeling it has something to do with XGL on previous installation - anyone else had the same problem?
[13:04] <vega--> Wicks: yes, occasionally
[13:04] <vega--> Wicks: .. and started from terminal works ok
[13:04] <vega--> i vaguely remember a workaround in some bugreport
[13:07] <Wicks> vega--, so just tyoe gdm at the terminal?
[13:07] <arvind> i am using hardy alpha,but not sure which version i m using
[13:07] <arvind> how to find which version of HH i m using?
[13:07] <combat> arvind, Hary is 8.04
[13:07] <combat> ^^
[13:07] <sebr> dudes, i have a problem when updating to hardy
[13:08] <sebr> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
[13:08] <arvind> i want to know whether i m using alpha 5 or 6
[13:08] <vox> anyone know why mousekeys would turn itself on every 2-3 days for no apparent reason?
[13:09] <combat> arvind, after installing hardy you are permanently getting updates, so you cant exactly find out which alpha-version you are using
[13:10] <arvind> i m not getting updates
[13:10] <spawn57> then the same one you were using ..
[13:10] <combat> arvind, you should, open the update-manager or type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:11] <Davo_Dinkum> Will KDE4 be in hardy?
[13:11] <vega--> Davo_Dinkum: no
[13:12] <arvind> i m not getting updates on HH
[13:13] <minimec> arvind: Whe you just did the upgrade, you should be up to date...
[13:13] <arvind> i upgraded to HH yesterday
[13:13] <arvind> is beta released?
[13:13] <sebr> i can't upgrade :(
[13:13] <sebr> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
[13:14] <sebr> what am i supposed to do about that
[13:14] <combat> arvind, yesterday, so maybe there are no updates yet
[13:14] <minimec> arvind: verify your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[13:14] <minimec> arvind: You should be up to date...
[13:14] <arvind> any new repository for HH?
[13:14] <combat> arvind, yesterday beta was released, so most exactly you are running the beta version
[13:15] <arvind> how to find?
[13:16] <arvind> combat ,how to find whether i m using alpha or beta
[13:16] <combat> arvind, you cant find out
[13:16] <combat> arvind, the updates between these minor versions are very smooth
[13:16] <combat> sometimes there are daily updates
[13:17] <combat> the ubuntu-team only releases some minor versions
[13:18] <minimec> arvind: Once you have the hardy repos in /etc/apt/sources.list you are hardy 'bleeding edge' ;)
[13:18] <arvind> what r the hardy repositories?
[13:19] <bazhang> arvind: you going to dist-upgrade?
[13:19] <arvind> bazhang,yes
[13:19] <minimec> bazhang: He did ...
[13:20] <bazhang> arvind: then what is your question?
[13:20] <WelshDragon> Hi, i've got a slightly wierd and annoying problem. I can't open any new internet connections. If i open my browser everything times out. (Including my router)...Updates are not working, none of the online games are working either. But before it all broke, i was already on IRC and had an ssh session open with my server and thye are still working. Any idea how i can get it wroking properly again? (Without Restarting)
[13:20] <minimec> bazhang: He was not sure, what he is running...
[13:20] <arvind> do i want 2 add any new links to my repos?
[13:20] <minimec> arvind: Medibuntu could be your friend.
[13:21] <arvind> k
[13:21] <bazhang> arvind: you want to add 2 new links to your repos? which ones?
[13:21] <arvind> is there any new ones?
[13:23] <MenZa> Medibuntu doesn't have Hardy yet, I believe.
[13:24] <MenZa> Although the Gutsy packages might work.
[13:24] <stefg> WelshDragon: checked if your DNS is working?
[13:24] <WelshDragon> Yes, All my other computers are working fine, Use the same DNS
[13:25] <minimec> MenZa: It does. Just activated it.
[13:25] <arvind> bazhang,are there any new ones?
[13:25] <bazhang> gutsy mediubuntu does work so far with hardy
[13:25] <WelshDragon> Oh nevermind sorry...moblock....
[13:25] <stefg> WelshDragon: Does 'ping www.google.com' work ?
[13:25] <WelshDragon> Fixed
[13:25] <bazhang> arvind: official or not?
[13:26] <WelshDragon> Thanks anyway stefg
[13:26] <arvind> anything?
[13:26] <MenZa> minimec: Oooh.
[13:26] <minimec> MenZa: ...But you have to copy/paste the gutsy line and change manually to 'hardy'
[13:27] <MenZa> minimec: Yeah; I can tell
[13:27] <MenZa> Just browsing the files
[13:27] <arvind> bazhang,anything
[13:28] <arvind> has any one tried swiftweasel
[13:28] <bazhang> arvind: official or not? what do you want to add? in terms of software etc
[13:28] <arvind> bazhang,both
[13:29] <MenZa> minimec: added, updated. :)
[13:29] <bazhang> arvind: that really depends on you; there are some unstable repos you could add; but I will let you find those on your own
[13:29] <arvind> bazhang,give me the official links
[13:30] <slavik> are there issues with keyboards in hardy?
[13:31] <Davo_Dinkum> is there a list of mirrors hosting hardy ISOs?
[13:32] <ompaul> Davo_Dinkum, no - they are not on mirrors you have to go to the cdimage.ubuntu.com to get the sources you want reason - it is not released yet
[13:32] <ompaul> at least that is my understanding
[13:32] <Davo_Dinkum> oh ok
[13:32] <Davo_Dinkum> hi ompaul :D
[13:33] <ompaul> Davo_Dinkum, hi
[13:33] <Davo_Dinkum> :/ sloooow download
[13:33] <arvind> bazhang, give me some official links
[13:34] <vox> any issues with update manager at present? my appears to not be workink
[13:35] <arvind> Vox,it is fine
[13:35] <vox> mmm
[13:36] <arvind> combat, give me some official repos links
[13:36] <vox> my update manager starts and shows what's to be updated. Click on Update, and it just sits... and doesnt bring up the gksudo password box
[13:37] <arvind> vox, reboot ur system and try it again
[13:37] <vox> arvind: i just did
[13:37] <arvind> vox, try updating via Terminal
[13:37] <vox> using apt-get?
[13:38] <arvind> ya
[13:38] <vox> yeah that works fine
[13:38] <minimec> how do you handle RealPlayer streams?
[13:38] <vox> minimec: with realplayer or vlc
[13:38] <arvind> minimec,install mediaplayerconnectivity plugin in firefox
[13:39] <arvind> minimec,i dont know the exact name
[13:39] <minimec> vox: Evry time I do a Ubuntu installation the struggle starts with a good RealPlayer deb. Do you have a good repo?
[13:39] <minimec> arvind: I tried that once too...
[13:40] <vox> i.. just turn uni and multiverse on and install realplayer *shrug*
[13:40] <minimec> Helix doesn't play the streams that I want to watch...
[13:41] <minimec> vox: Hmmm? I have no realplayer...
[13:42] <minimec> no 'realplay' too
[13:44] <mc-george> hey guys, where do I check if a new comp I'm thinking of buying will be compatible with Ubuntu
[13:44] <vox> mc-george: im not aware of any current machines that arent
[13:45] <drainman> anyone have crash when autocompleting in terminal with tab?
[13:45] <vox> there's some older intel chipsets that have issues, thats about it
[13:45] <drainman> i have to force rebook
[13:45] <mc-george> vox: could I paste the specs in here, just to e safe?
[13:45] <vox> mc-george: paste into a pastebin
[13:45] <mc-george> ok
[13:46] <drainman> and the information notification makes my computer crash to...
[13:46] <mc-george> vox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60408/
[13:46] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[13:47] <ubuntu> I have problems installing hardy 64 bit, it says errno 5
[13:47] <amikrop> In a Feisty installation how could I use Hardy's repos for a while, only for installing a single package, and then change back to the Feisty's repos?
[13:48] <vox> mc-george: looks pretty run-of-the-mill stuff
[13:48] <captainm> amikrop: That's not a good idea
[13:48] <mc-george> vox: thanks
[13:48] <mc-george> vox: I was also wondering if Hardy beta is good for "new linux" users?
[13:48] <tdoggette> ubuntu is reacting as though i am continuously pressing the up button, and the shift and capslock keys do not work. i assume i hit a key combination of some kind, because this happened suddenly.
[13:48] <mc-george> as in safe
[13:48] <vox> mc-george: friend of mine has a similar setup, but quad-core and 8gig of ram
[13:48] <amikrop> captainm: why?
[13:48] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys what is the best way to upgrade from alpha to beta
[13:48] <tdoggette> i cannot reboot, as i cannot save data in open applications
[13:48] <vox> mc-george: i wouldnt use hoary until it's officially released
[13:49] <mc-george> vox: still problems?
[13:49] <arvind> sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[13:49] <captainm> amikrop: there's a good chance it'll mess up you're system
[13:49] <vox> mc-george: it's a work-in-progress, it hasnt been officially released yet
[13:49] <vbabiy-laptop> thanks arvind
[13:49] <amikrop> captainm: even a single package (a game)?
[13:50] <mc-george> vox: ok, I had a lot of people telling me to get it, so as to not have to do a huge upgrade in a month, and that it was pretty much usable
[13:50] <amikrop> I will immediatelly change back to Feisty's repos.
[13:50] <luca85> amikrop: the problem is, that that game will have MANY dependencies
[13:50] <luca85> in system libraries
[13:50] <amikrop> yes
[13:51] <arvind> vbabiy-laptop,dont use that command use this sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:51] <luca85> trust me, I did things like these before, it just becomes a horrible mess
[13:51] <vbabiy-laptop> thanks arvind I will try that
[13:51] <luca85> amikrop refrain and wait for hardy :)
[13:51] <amikrop> luca85: ok :-)
[13:52] <arvind> bazhang,tell me the official repos for HH
[13:53] <mc-george> luca85: he could just get beta
[13:53] <bazhang> arvind: do you have hardy installed now?
[13:53] <arvind> yes i have
[13:53] <arvind> i m not sure its beta or alpha
[13:53] <vbabiy-laptop> How can I check what version I am running
[13:53] <bazhang> arvind: is there some program you cannot install?
[13:53] <chdst> dist-upgrading from a6 to beta...with me luck ^^
[13:53] <arvind> no
[13:54] <chdst> wish, too
[13:54] <minimec> as usual I use the realplayer package from debian-multimedia... You have to put the plugin files in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4/plugins
[13:54] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: well if you are fully updated then it is beta, assuming you installed hardy at some point
[13:54] <combat> arvind, why dont you wanna know which version you are running?
[13:54] <combat> aeh
[13:54] <combat> why do you
[13:54] <arvind> vbabiy-laptop,i m also trying how to find it
[13:54] <vox> mc-george: it's definately usable, but it's not 100% stable yet, and there's daily updates
[13:54] <tdoggette> incidentally, replacing the keyboard doesn't help
[13:55] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: Yeah I am fully updated
[13:55] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: welcome to beta ;]
[13:55] <tdoggette> \
[13:55] <slavik> anyone know anything about RT?
[13:55] <vox> slavik: the ticketing system?
[13:55] <tdoggette> ubuntu is reacting as though i am continuously pressing the up button, and the shift and capslock keys do not work. i assume i hit a key combination of some kind, because this happened suddenl
[13:55] <mc-george> vox: if there aren't serious problems, just minor ones most people can live with... I'm just afraid of security problems, and other serious stuff, and seems a lot of people are using it OK
[13:55] <arvind> slavik,what is RT?
[13:56] <slavik> request tracker
[13:56] <slavik> yes, vox
[13:56] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: it was only a 8 meg upgrade ?
[13:56] <vox> mc-george: nah no real issues there
[13:56] <arvind> bazhang,i have nt received any updates
[13:56] <vox> slavik: yeah i've used it for a year or so
[13:56] <chdst> slavik: I use it extensively at work. PM if you want
[13:56] <mc-george> vox: so its reasonable safe :p
[13:56] <vox> mc-george: yep
[13:56] <vox> slavik: personally i prefer cerberus
[13:56] <slavik> do you know if it's possible to change the pages? and get it to accept users with same e-mail addresses?
[13:56] <mc-george> vox: then I think I'm gonna download the beta and burn it to cd once I get new comp
[13:56] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: how about sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get upgrade? does that have nothing else?
[13:57] <vistakiller> i still have problem with nvidia driver in kubuntu kde 3.5.9
[13:57] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: np
[13:57] <vbabiy-laptop> no
[13:57] <chdst> slavik: Not trying to be smart here, but it's open source Perl. It's definitely possible.
[13:57] <bazhang> vbabiy-laptop: and this was from the alpha 6?
[13:57] <vistakiller> the hardware manager dont regognize my 8800gts and the only way is to install the driver with envyng
[13:57] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: yeah
[13:58] <arvind> vistakiller,try updating KDE to 4
[13:58] <MenZa> vistakiller: nvidia-glx-new should work.
[13:58] <vox> vistakiller: why not use the nvidia binaries?
[13:58] <vistakiller> is not working
[13:58] <slavik> chdst: I am mainly looking for guides ...
[13:58] <bazhang> vistakiller: kde4 will not change anything contrary to what arvind is saying
[13:58] <vistakiller> i have try to manual install the driver but then the xserver crash
[13:58] <vistakiller> i dont like kde 4 like ti is now :P
[13:59] <vistakiller> it*
[13:59] <vistakiller> i try to reinstall all nvidia packages and restricted modules but still nothing
[14:00] <vistakiller> and finally once more time i have install driver with envy
[14:01] <bazhang> vistakiller: best to learn how to recover from the terminal then; envy could lead to some issues when you have a kernel update for example
[14:02] <vistakiller> i have go to recovery and from there the option to recover the xserver or like that
[14:02] <vbabiy-laptop> bazhang: is there a way to check what version you are running?
[14:02] <arvind> i cant install flash plugin in FF3 b4
[14:02] <vistakiller> in hardy the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not working to change driver :(
[14:02] <arvind> it says it has some issues
[14:03] <luca85> arvind: it is not in the repos, neither of the two possible choices
[14:03] <vistakiller> arvind the have ton upload addons for ff3
[14:03] <luca85> arvind: as far as I know, we will have to install it manually (i.e. from the tar.gz from the official site) until it is added to the repos
[14:04] <arvind> k
[14:04] <luca85> arvind: I MIGHT be wrong
[14:04] <luca85> but that's my pov :)
[14:04] <vistakiller> bazhang it seems to be the only way to install the driver
[14:05] <vistakiller> i use kubuntu 2 years and this system is from 2 upgrades
[14:05] <vistakiller> i know to use the tools to install driver or to recover my system
[14:06] <vistakiller> i have to say that something is wrong with the nvidia driver in repositories or how to load to kernel
[14:06] <Pres-Gas> Okay, I installed Hardy Beta on a Dell Latitude D630 and having issues with the new wireless drivers.  I am gathering logs for a bug report.  Anyone know of quick links for iwl3945 drivers?
[14:06]  * Pres-Gas thanks the gods he repartitioned and still has 7.10 as well
[14:08] <edgy> Hi, how can I connect to a wireless router with no WEP or WAP encryption? there is no none option?
[14:10] <TheImp> edgy: if your router supports this yes ...
[14:11] <edbash> ubuntu hard users. I'm with a litlle problem with my dsl conection. In the boot, sometimes the dsl conection is up correctly. But to set up the dsl conection after the boot i have to do this: ~cd /etc/init.d; sudo ./networking restart. How can i fix it?
[14:13] <irelinquish> are you using a router?
[14:13] <Lilacor> Pres-Gas: that sounds like a intel card, you should be able to wipe your /etc/network/interfaces clean [back it up first] and then restart to get it working. I have an intel card and this works for me. [not the same model however]
[14:13] <bazhang> vistakiller: well as long as you know how to recover; this is still beta however and there will be some breakage likely in the next month or so
[14:13] <edbash> irelinquish, no
[14:15] <edbash> Lilacor, my network interfacer is ok. not wrong with it
[14:15] <edgy> TheImp: yes my router supports this but knetworkmanager deson't give me this option
[14:16] <TheImp> is it activated in your router?
[14:16] <irelinquish> well i'm about to install 8.04 kde, wish me luck you guys : )
[14:16] <edgy> TheImp: yes
[14:16] <bazhang> good luck irelinquish
[14:17] <TheImp> then networkmanager should do it. otherwise make a bug report with everything you need to analyze it
[14:19] <jessica> i am having a problem updating to hardy
[14:19] <jessica> when i do update-manager -d on gutsy i get a error
[14:19] <jessica> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60409/
[14:20] <edbash> please, in what log file the dsl errors is?
[14:20] <prometheus> when I boot up the alternate cd I get a blank screen
[14:21] <prometheus> is there a kernel switch to bot use X?
[14:21] <jessica> can some one help me update to hardy
[14:23] <edgy> TheImp: any way you can try this yourself?
[14:24] <prometheus> or the kernel switch for text mode
[14:25] <prometheus> or disable the framebuffer
[14:26] <cwillu> prometheus, alternate cd doesn't bring up x as far as I know;  the usual kernel switch though is 'single'
[14:26] <prometheus> ok
[14:26] <cwillu> prometheus, if its just the splash screen causing trouble, just remove 'splash' from the boot line
[14:26] <prometheus> I think loading the framebuffer is locking it up
[14:26] <cwillu> and remove quiet as well if you want to see more debugging info
[14:27] <sachael> hi! where can i get a torrent for the 8.04 beta? site seems down? :/
[14:28] <davek> How's the installer working in HH beta? I'm running it live right now the it looks good, would like to install on hdd if the installer can see my other drives.
[14:28] <prometheus> is goes blank after syslog starts
[14:29] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgraded to hardy and i get this error running gnome-settings-daemon :The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error.
[14:29] <noelferreira> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[14:29] <noelferreira> The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. My themes, icons ... don't work! any help?
[14:33] <davek> how's the new installer?
[14:41] <thompa> i just did a fresh install but now no walkman device is showing up, only as usb
[14:41] <thompa> and it is unmountable
[14:46] <flipstar> anyone else had problems with the inet ?
[14:47] <arcticpenguin380> should i mount my /home if i have to reinstall Hardy? I have to use gutsy to get to hardy
[14:48] <flipstar> would make sense
[14:48] <arcticpenguin380> wont the older programs mess up the config files?
[14:49] <vistakiller> ok i was afk, I can live with manual nvidia driver install :)
[14:50] <vistakiller> is np
[14:50] <flipstar> you are updating from gutsy to hardy? so everything including the config files would get updated(except you keep them)
[14:51] <arcticpenguin380> Im on my laptop My computer with hardy got mest up
[14:53] <Seb> hi fellows
[14:53] <T1m0thy> I was just reading through the Beta wiki page and it says "Ubuntu 8.04 Beta includes ufw (Uncomplicated Firewall), a new host-based firewall application configurable from the command line which is designed to make administering a firewall easier for end users while not getting in the way of network administrators." Shouldn't end users and network administrators be switched?\
[14:54] <Seb> after dist-upgrading from gutsy to hardy, I can't seem to enter the administrator mode in kde, any idea why that could be ? It doesn't even ask for my password anymore, just says "please wait", and then comes back to regular-mode...
[14:55] <Arand> Hey, anybody know what version of fglrx currently in hardy repos (for jockey) or knows how to find out (interpret version numbers...)?
[14:56] <nikrud> !info xorg-driver-fglrx hardy
[14:56] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31)): Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 (hardy), package size 9716 kB, installed size 29352 kB
[14:56] <nikrud> argh
[14:56] <nikrud> 8.3 , the latest fglrx
[14:57] <nikrud> argh, cannot read, thought I couldn't type
[14:57] <prometheus> if you have trouble with a blank screen on install add "vga=791" to your kernel params
[14:58] <Arand> ok so the 8-3 does mean 8.3, that's basically what I wanted to make sure, cheers.
[14:58] <nikrud>  7.1 X 8.3 ati on 2.6.24 kernel
[14:58] <nikrud> burn is done, time to install
[14:59] <jessica> is hardy nerly stable yet
[14:59] <Flannel> jessica: Its beta software, so not quite
[14:59] <Arand> Depends on your hardware I'd say.
[14:59] <raidium> i find it very solid so far
[14:59] <raidium> running some new high end hardware as well in a non standard config
[15:00] <jessica> i tryed it about a month ago and some things that didnt work in gutsy worked but somethings didnt work that worked in gutsy
[15:00] <Seb> no idea, eh ? :)
[15:00] <nikrud> burn don't put away messages in notices
[15:00] <trappist> ok I'm about to upgrade from gutsy, anything I should know first?
[15:00] <jessica> im upgrading now
[15:01] <jessica> i tryed it when it was still in developer edition and now its beta im expecting most of the problems have been fixed and there just fixing the last things
[15:01] <BUGabund1> hi thre
[15:01] <Seb> trappist: apart from the fact that kde won't let you go into admin mode, no :>
[15:01] <BUGabund1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/beta/source/
[15:01] <BUGabund1> can someone explain this to me?
[15:01] <trappist> Seb: ew.
[15:02] <flipstar> Seb in which menu you have this ? or in general
[15:02] <trappist> as long as sudo works I should be ok though
[15:02] <BUGabund1> why is there the source?
[15:02] <Seb> trappist: it's actually happening to a friend
[15:02] <BUGabund1> shouldt there be the beta iso?
[15:03] <Seb> trappist: had him over the phone yesterday, need to find out more about whether sudo still works
[15:03] <Flannel> BUGabund1: there is.  http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[15:03] <Arand> BUGabund1: The beta's at a different place...
[15:03] <trappist> Seb: oh, that's an important distinction from the way I heard it
[15:03] <jessica> you should be able to get hardy by using update-manager -d
[15:03] <trappist> Seb: I suspect if sudo was busted I'd have heard about it :)
[15:03] <Arand> Flannel: exactly...
[15:03] <prometheus> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[15:03] <raidium> i had some issues with compiz and xinerama and menus running slow when my desktop got larger than 8000pixels and spanned 2 video cards
[15:03] <Seb> trappist: i assume so
[15:04] <jessica> dose hardy come with beryl or do you have to put that in your self
[15:04] <K4k> sudo works just fine for me and I just updated so it's not broken I'm pretty sure
[15:04] <raidium> and the synaptic package manager hangs once and a while but is resolved with the dpkg --configure -a
[15:04] <captainm> jessica: It's called compiz now and it's included in hardy
[15:04] <flipstar> at least in gnome
[15:04] <Flannel> captainm, jessica, its now called compiz-fusion
[15:04] <BUGabund1> thanks prometheus
[15:04] <raidium> confirm sudo works great for me
[15:05] <Seb> ok cool
[15:05] <K4k> raidium, interesting note about that dpkg command you just mentioned. When I updated my install of hardy, I had to run that in order to get my eth0 back...somehow the updates foobared it, idk what happened but dpkg --configure -a somehow fixed it
[15:05] <flipstar> did anyone else had issues with firestarter..?
[15:05] <flipstar> i just had no internet today until i killed firestarter ..
[15:05] <prometheus> np
[15:06] <jessica> when the developer edition was realsed i had problems with compliting things is that still a issus ?
[15:06] <K4k> flipstar, it might be conflicting with the included firewall program...erm, can't remember the name, but it's new in 8.04
[15:06] <raidium> k4k: i have been playing with ALOT of packages , uninstalling and reinstalling. i dont think its a fluke. its resolved network problems , sound problems and install hangs for me
[15:07] <matjan> hi, is libdvdcss2 already installed in hardy to be able to play dvd's?
[15:08] <K4k> raidium: the biggest install hang I keep running into is with the kernel images, I setup a separate /boot and on this machine since I have limited hard drive space I can only have one image installed at a time so it hangs unless I go in and manually remove the old kernel if there is a kernel update
[15:08] <flipstar> K4k: hm ufw isnt enabled here..nvm i will just use this from now on
[15:09] <jessica> is it recomended to update to hardy now or wait for the stable realse
[15:09] <flipstar> stable is always better
[15:09] <K4k> jessica: depends on your use
[15:09] <raidium> k4k: i have a few installed, no hangs here but I have load of space and memory
[15:09] <K4k> I have it on all my machines and after a few initial bugs it works just fine, only a few hiccups, but you have to be able to figure out what breaks when it does
[15:10] <HardyOne> jessica, if you dont want to have to deal with things possibly breaking then wait
[15:10] <jessica> i dont mind working around problems and trying to get my system working as long as main things like graphic's and wireless works
[15:10] <flipstar> im running hardy since first alpha or so and still had no major problems
[15:11] <HardyOne> jessica, then go for it
[15:11] <jessica> ok thanks
[15:11] <K4k> jessica: I have found that the graphics stuff actually works better in hardy then feisty
[15:11] <raidium> jessica: i have been on since around alpha 4 and the largest problems are really just nuisance , havent hit a deal breaker yet
[15:11] <K4k> only thing that sorta is broken is some wireless cards
[15:11] <raidium> also some USB Drives are not mounting
[15:11] <K4k> like my ipw3945 on my laptop, the light doesn't come on for the wifi card, but it works
[15:11] <K4k> it's weird
[15:11] <Arand> Anyone knows why "screens and graphics" settings is moved to applications menu all of a sudden?
[15:12] <jessica> well my graphics are still problamatic in gutsy but when i tryed it in hardy in alpha 1 it worked fine just everything else didnt seem to
[15:12] <MenZa> Arand: I'd say it's a bug, Took me ages to find it yesterday
[15:12] <HardyOne> Arand, been there for a couple days now
[15:12] <flipstar> hm no gui for ufw availible..?
[15:13] <raidium> jessica: i have 2x 8800gts cards in my box. 3d aps perform well IF i disable compiz, when it is on and you have multiple displays you have to do a little hacking to keep the fx and not slow framerate or menu response
[15:13] <K4k> flipstar, it's cli only I believe, yes
[15:13] <flipstar> okay just checking out man ufw its pretty easy :)
[15:13] <Arand> Oky, it's undobtedly odd.
[15:14] <simion314> hi, i just install 8.04 beta and i can't run compiz, it sais that Xgl is not present,Found laptop using ati driver, what can i do?
[15:14] <Skiessi> #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:14] <K4k> I like how they fixed the radeon oss driver, made me much happier on my laptop since the fglrx driver is broken
[15:14] <HardyOne> simion314, #compiz-fusion
[15:14]  * Skiessi wasn't going to say that
[15:15] <jessica> i have a file server that runs gutsy perfect no problems at all and i dont know if i should update it to hardy i so no real point but i like all my computers to run the latest stuff
[15:15] <Skiessi> me too
[15:16] <K4k> for server apps I always stick with stable
[15:16] <K4k> and then I usually even wait a little after that sometimes
[15:17] <jessica> i put gutsy on it when it was on developer edition and it worked perfect and i just kept it running but i dont know if its time to update it to hardy
[15:17] <raidium> simion314: you probably need to use something like envy to install your latest ATI driver
[15:17] <HardyOne> !envy
[15:17] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:18] <simion314> raidium: compiz worked on 7.10, then i do not had this driver installed?
[15:18] <K4k> raidium, is that how everyone is getting the fixed fglrx driver?
[15:18] <K4k> the one that can do suspend and all that jazz
[15:21] <Arand> Either envy or manual install (see "cchtml" guides) but in Hardy the default driver (installed via "hardware drivers" (jockey)) should be the latest 8.3 from ati. (Or so I've recently been told.)
[15:21] <K4k> it gave me the oss radeon driver
[15:21] <K4k> ...i think
[15:23] <K4k> what is the default terminal app for xfce, I can't remember
[15:26] <theblue> K4k, don't know, qemu crashes as soon as i run the terminal app.
[15:27] <jimmygoon> ah crap. my laptop still beeps at me when I open/close it
[15:30] <alex-weej> anyone know of some kind of guide to getting a Dapper VM going in Hardy with Xen or QEmu or something?
[15:30] <flipstar> alex-weej: you might try kvm
[15:31] <alex-weej> does that work even if i don't have VT on my CPU?
[15:32] <flipstar> vt on cpu..?
[15:32] <alex-weej> is that the wrong name?
[15:32] <soto> How do I move the location of the desktop-switcher in gnome?
[15:32] <alex-weej> the virtualization features on new CPUs
[15:32] <flipstar> oh..yes of corse
[15:32] <alex-weej> i only have a Pentium 4 Northwood 'C' from like 5 years ago
[15:32] <flipstar> alex-weej: cool :) same here
[15:32] <alex-weej> hehe
[15:33] <alex-weej> hey what motherboard are you on?
[15:33] <flipstar> a cheap asrock
[15:33] <alex-weej> does it work with S3 suspend?
[15:33] <alex-weej> i have an Asus P4P800 which just enters suspend then immediately wakes back up (even the fans power down for a fraction of a second) :(
[15:33] <flipstar> guess yes
[15:34] <flipstar> ouch
[15:35] <ace_ace121> When i login, i get a dialog saying: HAL not started. I have to manually start it each time. how to start HAL at startup?? i tried sudo update-rc.d hal defaults,which gives this message " System startup links for /etc/init.d/hal already exist"
[15:37] <Chokes> hi all
[15:39] <J-_> Anything break with the new updates?
[15:39] <alex-weej> flipstar: no go, kvm doesn't wanna load with my CPU :'(
[15:40] <alex-weej> Ubuntu does not support running KVM without hardware acceleration. Sorry.
[15:40] <Chokes> ok now ubuntu + Fakeraid on ubuntu is starting to piss me of......
[15:41] <Chokes> i try to follow the how to but it wont work....
[15:41] <flipstar> alex-weej: what kind of type the vm is? you might use qemu or vbox
[15:41] <flipstar> Chokes: whats the problem ?
[15:41] <alex-weej> flipstar: i just want a Dapper VM
[15:42] <Chokes> i dont understand why ubuntu cant setup a fake raid
[15:42] <flipstar> Chokes: the installer doesnt support it..
[15:42] <Chokes> when almost all other distro can
[15:42] <flipstar> you can use as a workaround debootstrap
[15:42] <Chokes> k
[15:42] <Chokes> ok
[15:43] <Chokes> but i tried to follow the how to...
[15:43] <flipstar> had to do it by myself
[15:43] <Chokes> but i wont work
[15:43] <flipstar> Chokes:  i used this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[15:44] <Chokes> i used this one too
[15:44] <flipstar> where does it fail ?
[15:45] <Chokes> Mount the Temporary File Structure
[15:46] <Chokes> are you a dev here?
[15:46] <flipstar> nope
[15:46] <Chokes> mmm
[15:46] <Chokes> welll
[15:46] <Chokes> ill retry i later
[15:46] <Chokes> it*
[15:47] <Chokes> but i think that we dont have to do all this
[15:47] <theunixgeek> I'm surprised at how much faster the torrent download for the Xubuntu Hardy Beta. 15 KB/s for the server, 300 KB/s bittorrent :)
[15:47] <Chokes> it supposed to be the easyest distro
[15:47] <theunixgeek> Chokes: easiest
[15:47] <theunixgeek> not easyest ;)
[15:47] <Chokes> ok
[15:48] <Chokes> easiest ;)
[15:48] <flipstar> Chokes: you might ask in #ubuntu-dev if they will support it someday
[15:48] <jessica> why is it taking so long to update to hardy last time it only took about a hour its taking me about 4 this time and its working at the same speed
[15:48] <jpatrick> flipstar: #ubuntu-devel is the channel name :)
[15:49] <flipstar> Chokes: ↑
[15:49] <Chokes> ya im on it ;)
[15:49] <Chokes> thanx
[15:50] <jessica> why is hardy taking so long to update last time i did it 4x quicker but its downloading at the same speed
[15:51] <jessica> it carnt have that many things added to it sins alpha 1 can it ?
[15:51] <Chokes> maybe its because it have more updates?
[15:51] <jussi01> yes...
[15:51] <gribelu> maybe you're more impatient this time
[15:51] <jessica> quite possably
[15:51] <gribelu> :p
[15:52] <ViOlent_p0rn> any new ffox updates?
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> i got this PINK glow around my windows.. :/
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> so gay..
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> any way to change it?
[15:53] <jessica> dont use gay as a insult
[15:53] <Skiessi> ccsm?
[15:53] <Skiessi> what?
[15:53] <ViOlent_p0rn> that's just the way you interperit it jessica
[15:54] <gribelu> i remember seeing some threads about the pink stuff on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305
[15:54] <ViOlent_p0rn> thanks Skiessi
[15:54] <ViOlent_p0rn> =)
[15:54] <Solarion> what do I use to figure out what packages are conflicting?
[15:54] <Solarion> dist-upgrade to hardy beta wants to un-install ubuntu-desktop, which seems Very Wrong.
[15:55] <jpatrick> Solarion: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should say them
[15:55] <gribelu> Solarion: if that's the only removed package you can always reinstall it later
[15:55] <gribelu> it's a metapackage anyway
[15:55] <Solarion> lots of stuff wants un-removed
[15:55] <gribelu> ah
[15:55] <gribelu> sucks
[15:56] <Solarion> restricted-manager?
[15:56] <flipstar> hm ufw blocks even localhost ?
[15:56] <gribelu> are you using the main servers as your package sources? sometimes it takes a while to update all the mirrors and you get missing packages and what not
[15:56] <ViOlent_p0rn> hi flipstar
[15:56] <ViOlent_p0rn> did the low sound bug get fixed?
[15:57] <Skiessi> does GF 8600GT work well with Ubuntu?
[15:58] <ViOlent_p0rn> Skiessi: i think so
[15:58] <Skiessi> good
[15:58] <gribelu> Skiessi: slowish when it comes to some 2D stuff.. especially if using kde.. but i think it's pretty much fixed with the latest drivers
[15:59] <Skiessi> so I'm buying one
[15:59] <gribelu> should be fine
[16:01] <ViOlent_p0rn> i got the 8400 works like a charm..
[16:02] <gribelu> firefox3 is very slow on some pages with nvidia cards ATM :/
[16:02] <gribelu> some cairo bug thing
[16:02] <gribelu> or is it xorg
[16:05] <simion314> how can i install the ati proprietary driver ? iis there a menu launcher ?an applet?
[16:06] <flipstar> anyone here confirm with ufw ?
[16:06] <flipstar> im trying to access services on localhost :/
[16:08] <flipstar> now thats wired it doesnt even work when ufw is disabled
[16:08] <henkjan> flipstar: # allow all on loopback
[16:08] <henkjan> -A ufw-before-input -i lo -j ACCEPT
[16:08] <henkjan> -A ufw-before-output -i lo -j ACCEPT
[16:08] <henkjan> flipstar: that are default rules from ufw
[16:09] <ulisse> 'lo guys
[16:10] <ulisse> is there any known workaround for the kernel-soundcard issue? I'm using 2.6.24-12-i386 and I get no audio devices...
[16:11] <alex_mayorga> !sysreq
[16:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysreq - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:11] <alex_mayorga> !requirements
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[16:15] <amiralul> hello.  I was trying to select nvidia propietary driver from the Administrator section on Hardware/monitor window, but the radio buttons are grey
[16:15] <amiralul> I'musing Kubuntu beta 8.04
[16:15] <amiralul> *I'm using
[16:16] <amiralul> it's weird, but I don't have restricted drivers under system setting / advanced
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> What kernel is beta using.
[16:17] <amiralul> 2.6.24-12-generic
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> 2.6.24-13 ?
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> oh
[16:17] <LibertyShadow> 2.6.24-12.13
[16:18] <LibertyShadow> Right
[16:18] <LibertyShadow> I am wondering if I should test wubi
[16:19] <simion314> how can i install the ati proprietary driver ? iis there a menu launcher ?an applet?
[16:20] <LibertyShadow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[16:20] <LibertyShadow> The wiki's are pretty good.
[16:20] <simion314> thx
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> Spec is no longer a function of x
[16:21] <amiralul> LibertyShadow: and for NVIDIA?
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> That helped me
[16:21] <LibertyShadow> Read everything carefully.
[16:22] <ViOlent_p0rn> bug noticed..
[16:22] <ViOlent_p0rn> the "pink glow" (shadow)
[16:23] <ViOlent_p0rn> upon color changeing the pink'nes removes itself
[16:23] <ViOlent_p0rn> leaving no window glow left..
[16:23] <ViOlent_p0rn> even though the color is originally choosen black
[16:23] <amiralul> LibertyShadow: that is for 7.10 and for Ubuntu. I'm using Kubuntu 8.04. Will it work?
[16:24] <flipstar> henkjan: thx but works now
[16:24] <asdrubal> j #linux
[16:24] <LibertyShadow> You will probably need restricted--manager-kde, amiralul
[16:25] <LibertyShadow> restricted-manager-kde *
[16:25] <stefg> Nice one... switched on my printer/scanner (Epson DX 3850) and before i even had the chance to configure something i was greeted with a 'printer configured' and 'scanner working' message. Hardy rocks! i hope there's still something which needs to be configured, otherwise i would get bored :-)
[16:26] <LibertyShadow> Unfortunately, my experience with KDE is limited. I am a gnome type of guy.
[16:26] <LibertyShadow> stefg, agreed
[16:26] <LibertyShadow> Suspend and wireless are always a challenge.
[16:27] <LibertyShadow> amiralul there is a section on that link for Kubuntu 7.10. Do that
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> !xubuntu
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[16:27] <stefg> LibertyShadow: true, but for suspend not working in my case is to blame to nvidia... still the same driver issue after all that years :-(
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> !Xubuntu-Channels
[16:27] <ubotu> Support: #xubuntu | Developer Discussion: #xubuntu-devel | Offtopic chatter: #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:27] <LibertyShadow> stefg NvAgp 1 ?
[16:27] <stefg> yup
[16:28] <LibertyShadow> POST_VIDEO = false?
[16:29] <LibertyShadow> SAVE_VBE_STATE = false ?
[16:29] <LibertyShadow> in /etc/default/acpi-support
[16:30] <LibertyShadow> I also added "force" to the QUIRKS in /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-suspend-linux
[16:30] <stefg> I might try to get it working later... i spent days on feisty and gutsy to make my (Desktop) machine suspend without success, and in reality i don't use that feature often. For the moment i'm really impressed by Hardy, and don't want to spoil that
[16:31] <LibertyShadow> Oh.... a desktop
[16:31] <LibertyShadow> XD
[16:31] <LibertyShadow> Well I have a calculus midterm in 2 hours... good luck stefg
[16:31] <stefg> Good look to you!
[16:33] <chdst> I've gone from having a working fglrx driver in Alpha 6 to a broken one in the Beta after a dist-upgrade. Does anyone have any quick recommendations on resolving by using only my mouse (i.e. Am I missing something obvious/known)?
[16:33] <luca> hi everyone
[16:33] <luca> I have just realized that while pm-suspend functions, the default acpi suspend does not
[16:34] <stefg> chdst: we had a kernel update. might be you need to reinstall the driver/wait for the ati driver to be ready also
[16:34] <steph_> Hi everybody! I can't set up vbox'addon with hardy. Anyone had succes?
[16:34] <luca> I am going to write a launchpad bug, but in the meantime, is it possible to rig the system so that it uses pm-suspend as default?
[16:36] <chdst> stefg: I've tried reinstalling, but no luck so far. I'm probably just going to let it simmer over the weekend and deal with it Monday.
[16:37] <stefg> chdst: sounds reasonable
[16:41] <spiderfire> hello
[16:41] <ulisse> I tried with kernel -generic and audio worked, but this time was the video not working...
[16:41] <spiderfire> ulisse: are you using the glx?
[16:41] <ulisse> is there any specific package for -generic kernel to get nvidia-glx working?
[16:41] <ulisse> yep
[16:41] <mp_> hi all., Ive installed kubuntu w KDE4 using the Wubi which means that my Windows partition should be accessible from Kubuntu I suppose.. But I cant find it, where would it be located?
[16:42] <spiderfire> try the glx-new package
[16:42] <spiderfire> well what card you have?
[16:42] <spiderfire> legacy?
[16:42] <spiderfire> old
[16:42] <ulisse> spiderfire: I already have it installed, and works nicely with -386 kernel
[16:42] <ulisse> no, no, it's a -new one
[16:42] <spiderfire> ok
[16:42] <spiderfire> do  you have startup manager?
[16:43] <spiderfire> what does your uname -a say?
[16:43] <ulisse> Linux Albus 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:43] <ulisse> and now I have glx working but no audio
[16:43] <spiderfire> so you are using the 386 kernel now?
[16:43] <ulisse> yes
[16:44] <ulisse> the issue is with the -generic one
[16:44] <ulisse> that gives me back the audio, but I lose the video :)
[16:44] <spiderfire> yes i had issues but their fixed
[16:44] <spiderfire> you nvidia module doesnt load?
[16:44] <spiderfire> whats your video card?
[16:44] <ulisse> nope, and trying with modprobe returns an error
[16:45] <spiderfire> i had this prob
[16:45] <ulisse> my card is a geforce 7600gs
[16:45] <spiderfire> i have the same card
[16:45] <spiderfire> hehe
[16:45] <setuid> Any showstopper bugs in today's update?
[16:46] <thehumanerror> If I install 8.04 beta, and it doesn't blow up my face, will I have to reinstall it to get a clean system when it's released?
[16:46] <thehumanerror> please
[16:46] <spiderfire> ulisse: maybe install the startup-manager
[16:46] <setuid> The keyboard repeat issue is still there, and Network Manager is still as useful as a box of hair.
[16:46] <thehumanerror> NetworkManager is well useful! :)
[16:46] <ulisse> spiderfire: what is it, something like BUM ?
[16:46] <setuid> thehumanerror, It does _absolutely nothing_
[16:46] <flipstar> thehumanerror: nope
[16:46] <mp_> thehumanerror / I don\t think so. You can just update through ubuntu
[16:46] <spiderfire> ulisse: yes but i dont think it will fix your problem
[16:46] <setuid> It certainly doesn't "manage networking"
[16:47] <thehumanerror> no but it means I don't have to configure text files when I want to connect to a wireless network
[16:47] <setuid> I still have to stop and start my networking with shell scripts, because Network Manager is braindead
[16:47] <thehumanerror> which is what I had to do in Slackware
[16:47] <thehumanerror> :D
[16:47] <thehumanerror> okay, thanks guys for the beta question
[16:48] <dennis> hello everyone  i am new one
[16:48] <flipstar> !hi
[16:48] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[16:48] <marlun> When compiz (normal) is enabled, how do I remove that the inactive windows' titlebar is transparent?
[16:48] <thehumanerror> I don't mind doing dist-upgrade if that's what it takes to go from beta to 8.04, so as long as that's it, I think I'll install it on a machine that I don't have much access too
[16:48] <marlun> I've looked in the compiz setting manager but can't find it.
[16:49] <spiderfire> ulisse: do you have the restricted-manager and -core installed?
[16:49] <dennis> so .... how about ubuntu 8.04  ?
[16:49] <mp_> !windows
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[16:49] <ulisse> spiderfire: is it in the default packages?
[16:49] <ulisse> spiderfire: I updated a standard gutsy
[16:49] <luca> hi everyone again
[16:50] <dennis> gutsy  for what ?
[16:50] <fromport> marlun: i found al lot of help at http://www.futuredesktop.com/
[16:50] <spiderfire> ulisse: manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend
[16:50] <dennis> what type user ?
[16:50] <luca> I have some problems with pm-suspend
[16:50] <ulisse> spiderfire: yep, already there
[16:50] <spiderfire> ulisse: and your xorg.conf says nvidia instead of nv?
[16:50] <ulisse> yep
[16:50] <dennis> ??
[16:51] <dennis> when u restart  can u see nv logo
[16:52] <luca> if I check /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux I see that the system uses pm-suspend to go into S2RAM, but
[16:52] <dennis> i had some question  ... like that ,,,   can't start 3d desktop
[16:52] <spiderfire> brb restart
[16:52]  * ulisse tries to reboot, cul
[16:52] <marlun> fromport: unfortunately it didn't have what I wanted...
[16:52] <luca> if I use pm-suspend from command-line it resumes ok; not if I suspend with the graphical options
[16:53] <luca> that somehow buffles me...
[16:53] <dennis> finally  i install latest dirver version
[16:53] <dennis> i found some detail about X 200 can't support 3d
[16:54] <Arand> dennis: mean radeon express 200M ?
[16:55] <dennis> yes
[16:55] <dennis> Arand: yes
[16:55] <ulisse> ok, reconfiguring the kernel image after having installed restricted-modules worked for me, now i get either audio and glx :)
[16:55] <Arand> I'm running on that card, and using the proprietary ATI drivers 3d Compiz and stuff like that works.
[16:55] <prometheus> yes it does
[16:56] <prometheus> I use it
[16:56] <spiderfire> ulisse: its working?
[16:56] <ulisse> yep
[16:56] <prometheus> with fglrx
[16:56] <ulisse> i have to run now, see you
[16:56] <ulisse> and thanks
[16:56] <spiderfire> np take care
[16:57] <Arand> dennis: I think it's the open-source "radeonhd" which does not support 3D along with the card X200.
[16:57] <prometheus> yes
[16:57] <dennis> yes
[16:57] <Arand> But if you're okay with using fglrx it "should" work.
[16:58] <dennis> nv is best choice
[16:58] <Arand> If only one had the luxury...
[16:58] <dennis> but  can't just for a system to change graph card ....
[16:58] <setuid> Weird, 8.04 doesn't light up my CapsLock, but it does change the state of the caps
[16:59] <setuid> Man, 8.04 is getting more and more unstable
[16:59] <setuid> They should seriously put off the release
[16:59] <setuid> Stuff is just cascaaadng all over the place
[16:59] <Arand> It's still beta...
[16:59] <setuid> it's not even beta ;)
[16:59] <dennis> who know  www.getacoder.com  ?
[16:59] <flipstar> setuid: same here
[16:59] <dennis> who are  java programmer
[17:00] <XceII> Question 1: How can I (if it is possible) increase my audio output, it seems 30% lower.
[17:00] <prometheus> nice to see you around setuid
[17:00] <setuid> prometheus, hola hola
[17:02] <dennis> i looking for a java programmer
[17:02] <setuid> dennis, rentacoder.com
[17:02] <setuid> getafreelancer.com
[17:02] <infbliss> is the hibernate problem fixed in Hardy yet
[17:03] <dennis> no la  .... just want make a friend ...
[17:03] <prometheus> lol
[17:03] <fromport> not @ my laptop with fglrx
[17:03] <dennis> infbliss: hello  ?
[17:03] <dennis> infbliss,hello  ?
[17:03] <dennis> infbliss, hello  ?
[17:03] <XceII> ok
[17:04] <prometheus> he left
[17:04] <dennis> what the fuck  ........
[17:04] <dennis> how to use irc .....
[17:04] <mneptok> !language > dennis
[17:04] <dennis> lol
[17:04] <Tuv0k> !language
[17:04] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:04] <XceII> nice
[17:04] <dennis> ....
[17:04] <XceII> t/y
[17:04] <savetheWorld> Lol
[17:04] <dennis> lol
[17:05] <XceII> dennise, get a job (son).
[17:05] <dennis> sorry
[17:05] <xray7224> hi
[17:05] <dennis> ssh  ?
[17:05] <mneptok> yes please
[17:05] <XceII> grow up
[17:05] <XceII> I stifle.
[17:06] <savetheWorld> dennis - FYI all the ubuntu related channels (and most large mainstream channels) have the same language policy.
[17:06] <XceII> crappy language comes from crappy minds.
[17:06] <mneptok> +1/whois dennis
[17:06] <mneptok> fjklsdagha
[17:06] <dennis> hi
[17:07] <mneptok> dennis: malay? sg?
[17:07] <dennis> malay
[17:07] <mneptok> k la
[17:07] <dennis> u ?
[17:07] <mneptok> USA. euro most.
[17:08] <dennis> o
[17:08] <mneptok> anglogermanoirish
[17:08] <XceII> Have a super day folks, ./ignore the trolls. God bless.
[17:08] <mneptok> dennis: #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. +1 should (try) to be a support channel.
[17:09] <dennis> ....
[17:09] <dennis> what's that ?
[17:09] <mneptok>  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:09] <dennis> let me change channel  ?
[17:09] <mneptok> same language policy, but not a support channel
[17:10] <mneptok> !sg
[17:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:10]  * mneptok burns ubotu
[17:10] <J-_> !offtopic
[17:10] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:11] <J-_> =D
[17:11] <dennis> i know
[17:11] <Arand> What is the project associated with mounting/permissions handling for partitions in ubuntu, I'm trying to file a bug...
[17:11] <Arand> or rather, spacify an existing one...
[17:11] <mneptok> Arand: that would tend to be the kernel
[17:12] <Arand> okay...
[17:12] <dennis> +1/whois <mneptok>
[17:12] <dennis> +1/whois mneptok
[17:12] <mneptok> lol
[17:13] <dennis> hehe
[17:13] <mneptok> dennis: http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
[17:13] <dennis> i dont real know that mean
[17:14] <Arand> mneptok: so if I still can write on a partition that is set to non-writable and shows up as non-writable (ls -l) it would be the kernel that's the offender?
[17:15] <dennis> mneptok: thanks
[17:17]  * dennis hello everyone im new hewre
[17:17]  * dennis hello everyone im new here
[17:17] <harking> anyone else have issues logging in after a fresh install of 8.04?
[17:19] <coz_> harking,  well I no longer have a fresh install so i really cant answer that with confidence
[17:19] <Arand> harking: what kind of issues, fresh beta?
[17:20] <dennis> hahahaha
[17:20] <dennis> mneptok: how long u used hibernate  ?
[17:21] <harking> Arand: fresh install, login fails to work.
[17:21] <harking> i tried a reinstall
[17:21] <harking> trying it again
[17:24] <clusty> beta has been released?
[17:25] <flipstar> yup
[17:25] <clusty> i see a big chunk of updates
[17:25] <clusty> great stuff
[17:26] <Oli``> Is it possible to let `make` use both of my cores? Seems a bit of a waste it only using one
[17:26] <daian> die
[17:27] <clusty> Oli``, do a make -j3
[17:27] <clusty> that starts 3 threads
[17:27] <clusty> you can also do just a -j
[17:27] <clusty> that will start one thread for each file :D
[17:27] <marlun> How can I share a folder in ubuntu through command line?
[17:27] <clusty> assume your machine frozen D:
[17:28] <marko-_-> why in hardy sound doesn't work ??
[17:28] <clusty> marlun, you gotta mnodify your smb.conf file
[17:28] <harking> marko-_-: i think they used a new sound engine
[17:28] <marko-_-> yes..
[17:28] <marko-_->  ?
[17:28] <marko-_-> and ?
[17:28] <marko-_-> what should i do ?
[17:28] <clusty> harking, well there is something fishy with it
[17:29] <clusty> cant have 2 apps accessing card
[17:29] <clusty> just like 10 years ago :D
[17:29] <harking> lol
[17:29] <harking> i'm glad they switched then
[17:29] <marlun> clusty: so when sharing between ubuntu machines it's still samba? Saw something about NFS.
[17:29] <harking> gutsy was doing too well.
[17:29] <marko-_-> harking,
[17:29] <clusty> marlun, nfs surely
[17:29] <clusty> marlun, dunno much about it though
[17:30] <marlun> clusty: ok. :)
[17:30] <clusty> marlun, better use ssh and you can do sftp from other machine
[17:30] <marko-_-> how do i have sound back?:>
[17:30] <clusty> marko-_-, write santa a big letter
[17:30] <clusty> :D
[17:30] <marko-_-> i already did
[17:30] <marko-_-> the bastard didn't response
[17:30] <harking> marko-_-: dunno, you'll have to describe the issue in more depth. what kind of sound card? have you had any issues before? maybe post to the forms or file a bug
[17:30] <clusty> means you were a bad boy :D
[17:31] <marko-_-> harking the problem is that i don't know excatly which sound card is in this computer... and it didn't had any issues on gutsy
[17:32] <clusty> marko-_-, lspci tells you card
[17:32] <marko-_-> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[17:33] <clusty> very specific :D
[17:33] <flipstar> thats a bug with that card i heard
[17:33] <marko-_-> damn you hardy !
[17:33] <marko-_-> i need sound
[17:33] <marko-_-> :<
[17:33] <flipstar> also in gutsy
[17:33] <flipstar> !intelhda | but see here
[17:33] <ubotu> but see here: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:34] <marko-_-> flipstar, it worked fine
[17:34] <marko-_-> in gutsy
[17:34] <clusty> flipstar, i have a intel hda and is just fine
[17:39] <thompa> i have my walkman mount and show up in 64, but not in 386 only as unmountable usb?
[17:39] <federico> in ubuntu 8.04 beta, when i press the <tab> key on a terminal, it doesn't autocomplete the commands... any ideas of how can I activate this function?
[17:40] <thompa> federico: ive had that problem for a while, and I sudo -s for the time being
[17:40] <federico> hmm let me check..
[17:41] <thompa> federico: it will work as root
[17:41] <federico> wow its true, it works in that way
[17:41] <thompa> federico: are you running 64?
[17:41] <harking> yay, third time is the charm for my password
[17:41] <federico> thank you... i didn't think about that
[17:41] <federico> no, i'm using i386
[17:41] <mcquaid> is wubi limited to 4 gig size virt disks because of grub4dos?
[17:42] <thompa> federico: are your usb devices mounting
[17:42] <thompa> federico: like ipod walkman and stuff
[17:42] <mcquaid> i saw it mention because of a fat limitation, but fat32 has the 4 gig limit, not ntfs
[17:42] <federico> dont have my pendrive here.. but my usb mice works :S
[17:43] <thompa> federico: im having a weird issue, in 386 It wont detect my walkman, but will in 64
[17:43] <tnnc> can someone tell me where i can get libcss2 and win32codecs as it doesnt seem to be avaialbe
[17:43] <thompa> just want to drag and drop files
[17:43] <federico> let me try with the camera
[17:43] <thompa> tnnc: media ubuntu
[17:43] <thompa> federico: thanks
[17:44] <thompa> federico: what kerenl you got?
[17:44] <Paavo> hmm, "*** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/perl terminated" while upgrading libc during the 7.10->8.04 upgrade.
[17:44] <tnnc> thompa i try that i think where is it do you have an link
[17:44] <federico> thompa: 2.6.24-12-generic
[17:44] <federico> thompa: and nope,m it doesnt detect my dig. camera
[17:44] <Paavo> and not packages are failing their pre-depends on libc
[17:44] <Paavo> s/not/now/
[17:45] <thompa> federico: good, i mean bad. we got the same issues
[17:45] <thompa> federico: did you upgrade or clean beta?
[17:46] <federico> thompa: i did a clean beta
[17:46] <federico> thompa: im trying to mount manually now.. i dont remember how thou :P
[17:46] <thompa> federico: thanks you saved me some time
[17:46] <thompa> federico: look for usb device in computer
[17:46] <thompa> i gotta run.. good luck
[17:47] <thompa> it wount mount here htough
[17:47] <jessica> hardy is taking a long time to update
[17:47] <tnnc> can someone tell me where i can get libdcss2 and win32codecs as it doesnt seem to be avaialbe as i cant seem to get to play wmv files etc
[17:47] <thompa> jessica: servers are ver slow right now
[17:48] <co0lingFir3> hey there, how do i encrypt a folder?
[17:48] <jessica> its been running for the last 2 hours and its still telling me there is 6 hours remaning
[17:48] <federico> thompa: bye, and thanx 4 ur help :)
[17:48] <thompa> well me too
[17:48] <flipstar> !win32codecs | tnnc
[17:48] <ubotu> tnnc: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[17:48] <thompa> thanks
[17:48] <Paavo> any idea if it's a better idea to abort the upgrade now and try to fix the libc problem first, or to let it continue with the other packages?
[17:48] <jessica> it seems as though its stuck on "fetching file  799"
[17:49] <co0lingFir3> can someone help me to encrypt a folder coz i dont seem to get it...
[17:49] <oly> hi, i have been testing hardy on the eeepc, i have hit 2 problems wireless not working fixed by compiling drivers, and more annoying a 3 minute pause in booting up, anyone hit this problem or know whats causing it ?
[17:50] <tnnc> flipstar i mean the w32codecs
[17:51] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: tar -cf - <dir> | gpg -c > <name>.tgp
[17:51] <flipstar> !medibuntu > tnnc
[17:51] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: what about the "right-click" -> "encrypt"? does that work too?
[17:51] <flipstar> sure
[17:51] <flipstar> but thats too easy
[17:51] <flipstar> :P
[17:52] <jessica> ok my updates picking up again
[17:52] <tnnc> flipstar ok i try the repo but it said it couldnt do it
[17:52] <marlun> I've created a nfs share on my server computer and run exportfs -a but I still can't see it from this computer when I go to Network in Nautilus. Do I need to do something else?
[17:52] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: ^^ but there are no keys shown... and i dont know how to create 1.
[17:52] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: gpg --gen-key
[17:53] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: is it possible to use a keyfile on a usb-stick?
[17:53] <tnnc> flipstar maybe i had the wrong link for the repo do you have it
[17:53] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: the gpg keys are stored in a local keyring afaik
[17:54] <flipstar> tnnc: see http://www.medibuntu.org/
[17:54] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: so no way to use a keyfile on a usb?
[17:54] <tnnc> flipstar thanks
[17:55] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: not that i know
[17:55] <flipstar> doesnt have to mean any
[17:55] <co0lingFir3> flipstar: hmmm. i guess i will continue using truecrypt
[17:56] <co0lingFir3> thanks anyway
[17:57] <tnnc> flipstar ok i looked at that site i see how to add for all but hardy how do i get it for hardy
[17:57] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: the experts are probably in ##crypto
[17:57] <flipstar> tnnc: there is no repo for hardy yet just use this one for gutsy
[17:58] <tnnc> flipstar ok use the lastest one
[17:58] <flipstar> co0lingFir3: i also used truecrypt once but had much better performance with cryptsetup/LUKS
[17:58] <federico> thompa: i found that if u install bash-completion, the <tab> key will work normally.
[17:59] <federico> thompa: this is like a regression :S but well.. after doing that, it works
[18:00] <jessica> dose hardy come with my wireless driver i have a realtek RTL8187B
[18:04] <fromport> are other peoples gnome-panel also crashing a lot ? i have compiz enabled but this is not funny: # dmesg | grep gnome-panel | grep segfault | wc -l  gives 16 times (in 10 hours)
[18:04] <jessica> dose hardy come with my wireless driver i have the realtek RTL8187B
[18:05] <ompaul> !hardy | jessica
[18:05] <ubotu> jessica: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:05] <ompaul> woops :)
[18:05] <fromport> jessica: hardy comes with 2.6.24 kernel, better check if it's in there ;-)
[18:05] <jessica> ok thanks
[18:05] <ompaul> jessica, get a live CD and check
[18:06] <Niklas_E> anyone know which driver to use to get xvideo for ati radeon card?
[18:06] <fromport> ompaul: clever ;-)
[18:06] <ompaul> fromport, not something I would have claimed
[18:06]  * fromport has ati radeon 9600 and am using fglrx
[18:07] <jessica> im upgrading now but i just wanted to know in advance
[18:07] <gnubuntu> Niklas_E: just activate the restricted driver. or desktop effects. ati 8.3 working fine with xv here.
[18:07] <fromport> ompaul: i keep forgetting about the live cd, i really hate it (for install),always use the alternate. but for testing it's perfect
[18:08] <ompaul> fromport,  97.3% of the time :)
[18:09] <theunixgeek> Where can I download all the docs at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/, preferably in a PDF?
[18:10] <jessica> how would i find out if the drivers is in the kernal
[18:13] <jimmygoon> jessica, not direct support: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=709802
[18:13] <jimmygoon> jessica, but ndiswrapper supposedly works
[18:14] <fromport> rtl8187 is in hardy but it's _not_ compatible with rtl8187B
[18:16] <jessica> sorry im a bit of a noobie if the driver is in hardy why wouldnt it work with a card that requres the driver
[18:17] <flipstar> its rtl8187 not rtl8187B
[18:17] <jimmygoon> the driver is not in hardy. the driver for the model's brother is.... but you can use something called ndiswrapper with the windows driver to get it wokring. The link I sent you details how to do so :)
[18:17] <jessica> thanks
[18:18] <fromport> The catch is that the Linux drivers for the RTL8187 chipset don't include the B model.
[18:18] <jessica> is there anyway of putting the driver inplace
[18:18] <fromport> http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/
[18:18] <steph_> I would like to report a *bug* for the first time. I thought I have to use launchpad, but I gives me this message: "UbuntuStudio Artwork does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker". Where do I have to report the bug?
[18:18] <fromport> if you have the knowledge: yes, but it's not "out of the box"
[18:19] <jessica> so if i use that it will just put the driver inplacce and that will be it
[18:19] <LibertyShadow> Wireless is a challenge to get going.
[18:19] <flipstar> steph_: try in #ubuntu-bugs
[18:19] <fromport> *lol* indeed it is (launchpad)
[18:19] <jessica> because with 7.10 i have to compile the driver every time on boot
[18:20] <steph_> flipstar: thanks
[18:20] <fromport> jessica: probably will be the same with hardy, until 2.6.25 comes out ;-)
[18:20] <fromport> mayby with 8.10
[18:21] <jessica> o right
[18:21] <jessica> ok
[18:21] <flipstar> wow more than 1000 peers on ubuntu beta torrent
[18:21] <jessica> thanks
[18:22] <jimmygoon> gr, why am I not seeding. silly me
[18:22] <_dan_> nvidia seems broken for latest upgrade, anyone has a workaround for that?
[18:23] <LibertyShadow> Did you rebuild the kernel module?
[18:23] <benanzo> brightness controls and NetworkManager break for anyone on latest updates?
[18:24] <_dan_> LibertyShadow ofcorse not since they come packaged with ubuntu
[18:24] <LibertyShadow> oh, sorry I don't use the restricted driver manager :(
[18:24] <jessica> what is the irc channel for the developers of ubuntu
[18:25] <flipstar> #ubuntu-devel
[18:25] <jessica> thansk
[18:25] <fromport> better try and report a "bug" to the hardy kernel on www.launchpad.net
[18:27] <flipstar> there is also an suggestion box somewhere
[18:29] <AlexLatchford> Hey guys, just installed Hardy Beta1, firing up Firefox noticed that the Home Button has disappeared in the icon toolbar.. It is also not on the customise list, anyone have any ideas on how to get it to return?
[18:29] <_dan_> since -12 kernel nvidia is not working for me anymore
[18:30] <borschty> does somebody else have problems with NetworkManager after one of the recent updates?
[18:31] <flipstar> AlexLatchford: look closely :) its the first entry in the bookmark bar here
[18:31] <AlexLatchford> flipstar: Ah yes, I disabled that, I keep my bookmarks over at del.icio.us.. (Sorry should have specified)
[18:31] <Stormx2> Hey. Flash in Firefox seems to block my sound card. Any suggestions on a fix
[18:31] <Stormx2> ?
[18:31] <AlexLatchford> Thus I wanted more screen space..
[18:32] <Skiessi> I didn't even notice that the home button is missing :/
[18:32] <flipstar> oh..then its probably gone
[18:32] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. great
[18:32] <jimmygoon> that home button is the stupidest thing ever IMO
[18:32] <AlexLatchford> off to mozillateam then
[18:32] <AlexLatchford> well I use it alot :P
[18:32] <jimmygoon> enable the bookmarks bar then move goto customize then drag the menu button back
[18:32] <flipstar> ask the dudes in #firefox :)
[18:33] <jimmygoon> AlexLatchford, no, I'm on your side, the moving of the button was lame
[18:33] <AlexLatchford> jimmygoon: doesn't appear to work
[18:33] <AlexLatchford> I will go talk to asac
[18:33] <minimec> AlexLatchford: That works. Did that too...
[18:33] <jimmygoon> can you see the home button when you enable the bookmark toolbar?
[18:34] <AlexLatchford> ahhh jimmygoon I see
[18:34] <AlexLatchford> thanks
[18:34] <borschty> currently NetworkManager is using 99%cpu and sudo takes several minutes to show the password-input - after killing NetworkManager it is fast again
[18:35] <AlexLatchford> just written a wifi guide on getting the WG111T to work, easy enough.. Now just need to work out how to get it to stay connected after a restart.. Anyone have any ideas?
[18:36] <borschty> and NetworkManager does not establish any connection
[18:38] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[18:39] <JohnFlux> I tried to upgrade, but I didn't have much free disk space
[18:39] <JohnFlux> There is a check at the start of the upgrade for enough free space to download the packages
[18:39] <alex_mayorga> anyone using Yahoo! Mail new version that's experiencing repeated crash of Firefox 3?
[18:39] <JohnFlux> but this isn't enough disk space to actually install
[18:40] <JohnFlux> I get the error:  failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)       for example for some of the packages
[18:43] <nikrud> does someone have a pointer to getting broadcom 4311 up and running? NetworkManager goes ballistic if I have any firmware in /lib/firmware
[18:44] <borschty> nikrud: does it use 99% cpu?
[18:44] <nikrud> borschty: as much as 101% , requires kill -9
[18:45] <jessica> dose hardy work better with laptops than gutsy because some of the power options is a little tempromental
[18:45] <dr_evil> must be a pretty powerful CPU if it can source 101%
[18:45] <nikrud> :) probably rounding error
[18:45] <borschty> ok, i'm experiencing the same problem, but i have a ipw2200 from intel
[18:46] <borschty> did the problem start recently, but it worked some days ago?
[18:46] <nikrud> fresh, brand new beta install
[18:47] <nikrud> tried the bc43-fwcutter , which dropped bc43 and bc43legacy in /lib/firmware , the issue started then.
[18:47] <nikrud> so I moved them out, and Network manager worked fine, with plugging & unplugging ethernet
[18:47] <nikrud> after reboot
[18:48] <borschty> hmm i think i'll try unloading the ipw2200 driver and starting NM again
[18:49] <borschty> does logging in using sudo take several minutes when NM is going insane?
[18:49] <nikrud> no. But that's another issue. bash completion fails with sudo <anything>Tab
[18:50] <borschty> without the ipw2200 NM does not use 99% cpu
[18:50] <borschty> however neither the kernel nor NM got changed since the last time it worked
[18:50] <nikrud> haven't had a chance to look it over, or check bugs. I've got a small list already for checking tomorrow.  I was just hoping someone had a 'Oh, yeah here's the workaround' right now. Off to work now
[18:51] <borschty> i'll try a hal downgrade
[18:52] <hydrogen> you're a hal downgrade.
[18:58] <noelferreira> i upgraded to hardy and now i am having some problems playing avi files with i haven't in gutsy. do you now what is the problem?
[18:58] <vistakiller> what problems you have?
[18:59] <noelferreira> vistakiller, the freezes and cuts in the screen. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/173663
[18:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Fix released]
[19:00] <vistakiller> what driver you have?
[19:00] <noelferreira> fglrx
[19:00] <noelferreira> for ati xpress200 m
[19:00] <simion314> in 7.10 compiz work from Live Cd in 8.04 the compiz is not working. error is: Xgl not found, Found ati driver
[19:01] <simion314> any sugestion?
[19:01] <vistakiller> ati difficult situation
[19:01] <noelferreira> vistakiller, so how i downgrade to xserver 1.3 vistakiller ? or there is any solution?
[19:02] <SeveredCross> Strange, compiz works for me.
[19:02] <SeveredCross> With fglrx.
[19:02] <SeveredCross> However, I'm using the latest version from ATI that I built for myself, rather than the UBuntu packages.
[19:03] <steph_> Is there someone here who use hardy with vbox?
[19:03] <noelferreira> compiz works for me too. but i can't play avi files without freezes and crashes
[19:03] <vistakiller> i use hardy with vb
[19:03] <simion314> SeveredCross:  but in 7.10 the compiz worked from CD, witjhout any installation
[19:03] <vistakiller> and i use hardy with vb inside hardy :P
[19:03] <SeveredCross> simion314: The fglrx version might have changed and that broke something?
[19:03] <simion314> SeveredCross:  and my card ati radeon m6 ly is not on the list of suported cards
[19:04] <steph_> vistakiller: (pretty name :) I try to install the addon, but it gives me an error. Did you succeed with that?
[19:04] <SeveredCross> Actually, IIRC, there was a Compiz bug that allowed it to work on fglrx in Gutsy, that was fixed by a later compiz update/upgrade.
[19:04] <vistakiller> what addon guest additions?
[19:04] <oxigen> i dont know why my hd run so hot!?
[19:04] <SeveredCross> Also, they probably have fglrx blacklisted in Compiz.
[19:05] <_dan_> since -12 kernel i cnat get nvidia to work, neither with ubuntu package nior with envy
[19:05] <_dan_> can anyone give me a hint pls
[19:05] <SeveredCross> Because techically it does not work very well.
[19:05] <locomo> i clicked "Login Window" administration entry and Ubuntu "trashing" my hard drive for 3 minutes before applet showed itself. :/ second, network manager still forgeting to write "auto eth0" line to /etc/network/interfaces
[19:05] <SeveredCross> _dan_: I think they broke nvidia in the -12 kernel, but I thought it was fixed.
[19:05] <vistakiller> _dan i have the same problem
[19:05] <vistakiller> use envyng
[19:05] <flipstar> oxigen: maybe a fan died @_@
[19:05] <steph_> vistakiller: VirtualBox 1.5.0 Guest additions
[19:05] <oxigen> flipstar: my hd dont have fan
[19:05] <vistakiller> steph i can i have install them
[19:05] <vistakiller> where is the prob?
[19:05] <flipstar> oxigen: maybe its getting old ..
[19:06] <_dan_> SeveredCross  hm dont think so, not even envy is working thats weird
[19:06] <SeveredCross> Hmm. Then it's probably still broken.
[19:06] <vistakiller> _dan i have the same problem try to install not the simple envy but envung
[19:06] <vistakiller> envyng
[19:06] <oxigen> flipstar: ~10.000 hours isn't that old yet, i guess..
[19:06] <steph_> It tells me: "kernel configuration is invalid"
[19:06] <vistakiller> i try to install driver with differnet way but only this works
[19:07] <vistakiller> steph try to update the distro
[19:07] <flipstar> oxigen: it can be nearly everything..maybe sensors doesnt work correct ..
[19:07] <oxigen> hmm
[19:07] <steph_> I'll do my homework :)
[19:09] <locomo> "Put display to sleep..." started at 11 minutes, but i read on launchpad it is bug, and it is really not 11 minutes... why 11 minutes anyway? still not fixed since 7.10
[19:11] <steph_> vistakiller: it says that my system is up-to-date. My kernel is 2.6.24-12-386. I already installed linux-headers-`uname -r`INSIDE my virtual machine. Could be a problem with the host (or the guest)? :|
[19:11] <vistakiller> no i have this problem the sam prob with xubuntu in vm
[19:12] <vistakiller> but it works in ubuntu and kubuntu kde4
[19:15] <noelferreira> can i downgrade to xserver 1.3?
[19:16] <LaserJock> anybody having problems with NetworkManager after recent updates?
[19:16] <locomo> it seems ubuntu use vesa driver and not nv for 8800 GTS 512 (G92)... and it had not autodetected my native resolution 1680x1050... only 1280x1024
[19:16] <_dan_> does anyone have a workaround for the nvidia not working on -12 kernel?
[19:17] <flipstar> _dan_: did you do an kernel update ?
[19:17] <_dan_> yep, since a few weeks when -12 kernel came
[19:17] <borschty> downgrading hal worked
[19:17] <_dan_> nvidia inst working anymore
[19:17] <flipstar> _dan_: you need to reinstall nvidia drivers
[19:17] <_dan_> already did
[19:18] <flipstar> with running -12 kernel ?
[19:18] <_dan_> purged restriced modules purged nvidia-glx
[19:18] <noelferreira> vistakiller, what should i do?
[19:18] <_dan_> reinstalled everything
[19:19] <_dan_> which package did u mean to reinstall?
[19:19] <flipstar> i dont use the packages provided by ubuntu..so i dont know which package exactly
[19:19] <raidium> dan: did you use envy ?
[19:19] <locomo> what is this "hardware testing" tool? i followed few pages and cant stand it anymore... does it look like Everest if you made it to the end?
[19:20] <vistakiller> i have the same problem with _dan
[19:20] <_dan_> raidium no, i tried envy yesterday that didint wortk either
[19:20] <vistakiller> and i use envy to install the driver
[19:20] <_dan_> i usually try to avoid envy
[19:20] <vistakiller> it works fine to me
[19:20] <vistakiller> me to but was the only way
[19:20] <_dan_> wierd thing, it works now
[19:20] <_dan_> after installiny envy, end removing it again
[19:20] <raidium> i pulled the installed glx stuff , ran envy and now both my 8800gts work great (in same box)
[19:21] <_dan_> thx envy for fixing my ubuntu install ;)
[19:21] <raidium> the updater is running so slow today , must be getting hit hard
[19:22] <_dan_> beta was released lately
[19:22] <_dan_> many ppl upgrade with beta
[19:24] <vistakiller> yes
[19:24] <locomo> New theme should have its own entry and not "Custom". i switched to Human and cant switch back to default theme, "Custom" dissapeared
[19:24] <vistakiller> dan the have fix the problem with nvidia in 12 kernel
[19:24] <vistakiller> but they have break it again when they fix the problem with audio :P
[19:26] <dotpavan> hi.. anybody experiencing FF3b4 freezing issues on 8.10? I couldnt find any bug report either
[19:27] <locomo> where you got 8.10? :/
[19:27] <locomo> time machine?
[19:27] <noelferreira> does anyone knows what should i do with ati driver to play avi files? can i downgrade to xserver 1.3?
[19:27] <dotpavan> sorry 8.04
[19:27] <dotpavan> :) cross breed of 7.10 and 8.04 ;)
[19:27] <locomo> :)
[19:27] <cwillu> locomo, just change the controls theme to human-murrine
[19:28] <flipstar> noelferreira: do you have ubuntu-restriceted-extras installed ?
[19:28] <noelferreira> yes flipstar
[19:28] <cwillu> noelferreira, what problem are you seeing?
[19:28] <locomo> cwillu: thanks
[19:28] <flipstar> noelferreira: which player are you using ?
[19:28] <cwillu> locomo, afaik, I think there's still discussion as to whether that's the final theme or not
[19:28] <jamestoy> howdy
[19:29] <flipstar> noelferreira: with mplayer you could use different video drivers
[19:29] <noelferreira> evrything was perfect in gutsy. its seems is a poblem with the new server xorg
[19:29] <cwillu> noelferreira, lets not be jumping to conclusions
[19:29] <cwillu> noelferreira, what is the exact problem you're seeing?
[19:29] <noelferreira> i read the bug. i'm not jumping
[19:29] <locomo> cwillu: i liked human buttons more, they was 3D and cool, and new are flat
[19:30] <noelferreira> cwillu, i can't play avi files. freezes and crashes like before when we need XGL server to use compiz
[19:30] <cwillu> did you still need xgl under gutsy?
[19:30] <noelferreira> no cwillu
[19:31] <cwillu> you can probably run gstreamer-properties and changes the video output method, but that approach is far from ideal
[19:31] <cwillu> noelferreira, have the bug number handY?
[19:31] <noelferreira> in gutsy everything was ok using aiglx
[19:31] <noelferreira> yes 1 second
[19:31] <noelferreira> cwillu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/173663
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Fix released]
[19:32] <ethana2> How feasible would it be for a fresh ubuntu dual boot to rip proprietary codecs right off of windows and run them in WINE?
[19:33] <cwillu> ethana2, afaik, the 'ugly' codecs _are_ the windows codecs
[19:33] <cwillu> at least, there's a gstreamer wrapper that lets you do that, if it's not installed by ubuntu-restricted-extras already
[19:33] <ethana2> oh
[19:34] <cwillu> noelferreira, they claim its fixed?
[19:35] <noelferreira> cwillu, i can't put it working here
[19:35] <cwillu> k, I'm still reading the bug, just not sure if you saw that
[19:35] <cwillu> you get the same fallback to metacity?
[19:36] <cwillu> or are you using skip_checks to force it despite a blacklist?
[19:37] <Johan-_> anyone got ssl to work with netatalk?
[19:37] <borschty> cwillu: ugly codecs are not the windows codecs, they are codecs which can not be licensed under lgpl, lame for example which is gpl
[19:37] <jessica> i dont think this is normal my ubuntu 7.10 is freezing and i think its because im in the middle of upgrading to hardy but when i upgraded from other editions of ubuntu it never happend
[19:38] <borschty> pitfdll + w32codecs are the windows codecs
[19:38] <cwillu> jessica, this is still a beta, there's still problems
[19:38] <flipstar> jessica: afaik you can break the update at downloading and resume later
[19:39] <cwillu> jessica, is the update freezing, or is it just slowing down other things you're doing?
[19:39] <noelferreira> cwillu, yes i have the same problem with metacity. even worst i guess
[19:40] <jessica> no the update carrys on when it freezes its just i am unable to move the mouse and or use keyboard input it lasts about 10 seconds then returns back to normal
[19:40] <noelferreira> cwillu, i will restart my xorg. one minute
[19:40] <cwillu> borschty, ugly is just anything that has distribution problems;  but either way, pitfdll is included in restricted-extras
[19:41] <borschty> however ugly does not include the windows codecs
[19:41] <jessica> it seems to be picking up now
[19:42] <EruditeHermit> hey I did an upgrade today and network manager is now unable to connect to a network and eats 100% cpu. I've been trying to track it down to network manager, hal but I've not had any success. Has anyone experienced similar?
[19:42] <Niklas_E> is there any tool like xf86cfg or something for ubuntu? Need top change the drivers but don't find any tool for it
[19:43] <jessica> did that happen with anyone else i just found that odd
[19:43] <EruditeHermit> Niklas_E: displayconfig-gtk
[19:43] <noelferreira> cwillu, :( no good luck. any idea. should i change something in xorg.conf?
[19:43] <cwillu> noelferreira, how are you running compiz?
[19:44] <noelferreira> what you mean cwillu. compiz is not the problem.
[19:44] <noelferreira> cwillu, the problem is worst without compiz
[19:44] <cwillu> noelferreira, then that bug you posted isn't the same bug
[19:44] <cwillu> may be related, but its not the same
[19:45] <cwillu> noelferreira, other than video, what issues are you seeing?
[19:45] <noelferreira> i thought it was. can i downgrade to xserver 1.3?
[19:46] <noelferreira> compiz a little slow cwillu
[19:46] <cwillu> noelferreira, it'd be more useful to figure out why it's broken
[19:46] <cwillu> bug 197639 sounds like it might be related
[19:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197639 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] fglrx xv output not available for video playback" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197639
[19:47] <EdwardXp3> i got error on my kernel upgrade
[19:47] <noelferreira> cwillu, i use other instead of xv and i have the same problem.
[19:47] <EdwardXp3> kernel panic not syncing VFS .. unable to mount root
[19:47] <cwillu> pastebin me your xorg.conf file
[19:49] <cwillu> noelferreira, what videocard do you have, and which arch of ubuntu are you running? (x86, amd64, ?)
[19:50] <noelferreira> amd64, ati radeon xpress 200 M cwillu
[19:50] <cwillu> noelferreira, is that xorg.conf coming?
[19:50] <noelferreira> cwillu, http://pastebin.com/m3cfc49f4
[19:50] <cwillu> thx
[19:51] <cwillu> noelferreira, did you see that bug I posted?  does that sound like it?
[19:51] <noelferreira> maybe cwillu
[19:51] <noelferreira> not sure
[19:51] <cwillu> k
[19:51] <cwillu> did you modify xorg.conf recently?
[19:52] <cwillu> noelferreira,
[19:52] <noelferreira> cwillu, should i try Option "AGPMode" "4"
[19:53] <cwillu> noelferreira, :)  no, unless somebody has reported it makes a difference (preferably on a bug report, not ubuntuforums)
[19:53] <cwillu> doubt its related
[19:54] <Johan-_> sorry for spaming, anyone got ssl to work with netatalk?
[19:54] <cwillu> don't be sorry, just don't spam :p
[19:55] <cwillu> noelferreira, how are you in a terminal?
[19:55] <Johan-_> cwillu: have to spam a couple of times/h to get any respons :/
[19:55] <noelferreira> i'm using tilda ok cwillu
[19:57] <cwillu> noelferreira, can you backup your current xorg.conf, and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and see what you get then?
[19:57] <tobylane> Can I use this with wubi?
[19:57] <cwillu> noelferreira, might need to manually reset fglrx as the driver, but don't add any other options to the device
[19:57] <noelferreira> ok cwillu
[19:58] <noelferreira> cwillu, by the way: http://pastebin.com/m182680e7
[19:58] <noelferreira> some info
[19:58] <cwillu> thx
[19:58] <cwillu> noelferreira, you're an upgrade, right?
[19:58] <noelferreira> yes
[19:59] <tobylane> Can I use ubuntu8 with wubi?
[19:59] <jimmygoon> has anyone else dealt with the ccsm csm-simple appearance dialog problems?
[19:59] <jimmygoon> tobylane, the ubuntu 8.04 beta includes wubi yes
[19:59] <noelferreira> yesterday. first problem was running gnome-daemon-settings. but i delete xrand on gconfig and now it is ok
[19:59] <noelferreira> yesterday. first problem was running gnome-daemon-settings. but i delete xrand on gconfig and now it is ok cwillu
[19:59] <cwillu> tobylane, I'd advise waiting for hardy to go final if you're not comfortable with troubleshooting
[19:59] <tobylane> No, im not really
[20:00] <jimmygoon> g-d-s / xrandr problems were (mostly to my knowledge) fixed as of updates two days ago
[20:00] <tobylane> I have livecds with install cds, can I use something off them for wubi with ubuntu 7?
[20:00] <jimmygoon> tobylane, what?
[20:00] <tobylane> I have live cds, install cds, an awful internet connection, and wubi without its iso
[20:00] <tobylane> Can I use an iso off either cds for wubi
[20:01] <cwillu> tobylane, you could just boot off the livecd
[20:01] <tobylane> Isn't wubi like live cd, testing without installing
[20:01] <noelferreira> one minute cwillu i'll restart X
[20:01] <cwillu> k
[20:02] <cwillu> tobylane, no, it's an install to a file on the drive, without repartitioning
[20:02] <cwillu> it's still a bit experimental (this will be the first release that actually supports it in any way)
[20:02] <tobylane> Ok... so ill stick to live cds
[20:02] <tobylane> So in 32 days I can shipit order ubuntu 8?
[20:03] <cwillu> tobylane, you should be able to just put the cd in the drive and reboot, and have it run off the cd;  you can install from there if you want (although it'll have to repartition to install)
[20:03] <cwillu> tobylane, probably, although I don't know for sure
[20:03] <tobylane> Ok, thanks
[20:05] <thompa> federico: hey thanks for the tip
[20:07] <cwillu> is exa on by default across the board, or are some drivers still xaa by default?
[20:09] <noelferreira> cwillu, :( nothing
[20:14] <noelferreira> cwillu, any idea?
[20:15] <cwillu> was hoping you'd give me a bit more to go on :p
[20:15] <cwillu> what does your xorg.conf look like right now?
[20:15] <cwillu> (after the reconfigure at least)
[20:17] <noelferreira> i change  to the  previous configuration.
[20:18] <noelferreira> can i downgrade to xserver 1.3 cwillu ?
[20:19] <cwillu> noelferreira, is that newer or older than an x1050, do you know?
[20:19] <noelferreira> its the previous one in gutsy
[20:20] <cwillu> no, the video card
[20:20] <EruditeHermit> hey I did an upgrade today and network manager is now unable to connect to a network and eats 100% cpu. I've been trying to track it down to network manager, hal but I've not had any success. Has anyone experienced similar?
[20:20] <noelferreira> cwillu, i don't know.
[20:20] <thompa> anyone know whats up with usb devices, they all worked in alpha and are now not showing up
[20:20] <borschty> EruditeHermit: downgrade hal
[20:20] <noelferreira> but it was working so good in gutsy
[20:20] <EruditeHermit> borschty: I did but it didn't work
[20:21] <borschty> EruditeHermit: to which version?
[20:21] <EruditeHermit> borschty: 0.5.9
[20:21] <borschty> and libhal, too?
[20:21] <EruditeHermit> borschty: yep libhal1 libhal-storage hal hal-info
[20:21] <cwillu> noelferreira, that's what I'm trying to figure out, because everything I've read says it shouldn't have been working there at all unless it was under xgl, or it'll work just as well under the latest with the right config
[20:21] <zcat[1]> Woohoo!! the difference between alpha6 and beta1 is awesome!
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> I'm testing out the beta. I got this message: Could not install 'libc6' Is this ok?
[20:22] <noelferreira> cwillu, i will try drivers from ati
[20:22] <nikrud> borschty: just checked in, what doesn downgrading hall fix?
[20:22] <cwillu> noelferreira, fglrx is the driver from ati
[20:22] <zcat[1]> well, I assume I have beta1 -- I upgraded last night.
[20:22] <borschty> EruditeHermit: i solved it by downgrading to 0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2
[20:22] <noelferreira> cwillu, a new one
[20:22] <EruditeHermit> borschty: where did you get that hal?
[20:23] <cwillu> noelferreira, you can try theirs, but you'll be beyond the point where you'll get much willing help here (i.e., no longer contributing towards getting hardy working for as many people as possible before it's released)
[20:23] <borschty> EruditeHermit: still had those in my /var/cache/apt/archives folder
[20:23] <cwillu> noelferreira, do you have a copy of xorg.conf from before the upgrade?
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> borschty: is there a snapshot.debian.net equivalent for ubuntu?
[20:23] <benplaut> hehehe
[20:23] <noelferreira> no
[20:23] <noelferreira> i lost them in the upgrade
[20:23] <borschty> nikrud: you had the NetworkManager-problem, too?
[20:24] <zcat[1]> screenlets still flakey as, they need to wait until compiz is launched before they try to run is all
[20:24] <EruditeHermit> borschty: somewhere where I can find old versions of packages
[20:24] <nikrud> borschty: yeap
[20:24] <cwillu> noelferreira, give me a sec, I'm making a device section for you to try
[20:24] <noelferreira> ok
[20:24] <borschty> nikrud: did you try downgrading hal?
[20:24] <noelferreira> thanks
[20:24] <zcat[1]> I hacked a script that waits 10s and then runs the screenlets.
[20:24] <benplaut> i install, fglrx is broken at first glance, and i think to myself "i've done this before, but is it really worth it?!"
[20:24] <xtknight> there's still no sw raid LiveCD config right?
[20:25] <nikrud> borschty: I'll take a look. I do believe I got some hal stuff in an upgrade from the beta disk
[20:25] <benplaut> and now i'm rebooted, back to an old OS :P
[20:25] <borschty> EruditeHermit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[20:26] <borschty> EruditeHermit: maybe even downgrading only hal or only libhal would be enough, but i downgraded both at the same time
[20:26] <nikrud> borschty: nope, no hal even in my archives. git 20080301-1ubuntu2 you said fixes that?
[20:27] <borschty> nikrud: thats a working version for me, maybe ...ubuntu3 works, too
[20:27] <borschty> did not try it
[20:27] <nikrud> no problem for me really. I'll just wire up until some fixes roll downstream. I try to keep these as close to actually released as I can
[20:28] <Ergo^> hello just installed hardy, everything is working good so far - but there is a small problem, when i installed 7.10 and had compiz-config-manager - there was additional entry "custom effects" - in "visual effects" tab in apperance preferences - its gone now and i dont know how to get my custom effects to load on logon. any hints ?
[20:28] <cwillu> noelferreira, http://pastebin.com/mfd91157
[20:29] <noelferreira> ok
[20:29] <cwillu> copy that into xorg.conf, and restart x.  If it doesn't work, comment out the Textured2d line, and try again
[20:29] <noelferreira> cwillu, i will try
[20:29] <EruditeHermit> borschty: ok let me try; thanks
[20:30] <simion314> compiz vorked on my laptop without ATI proprietary drivers in 7.10 but is not working in 8.04 beta(it worked when i tested alpha 4) so what changed?
[20:30] <noelferreira> cwillu, what is the difference from mine?
[20:30] <ethan961> Ergo^, do any affects load?
[20:30] <cwillu> simion314, blacklisted on laptops due to power management issues
[20:30] <ethan961> *effects
[20:30] <Ergo^> ethan961: everything works , and loading my config manually via "advanced desktop effects" works fine too
[20:31] <cwillu> noelferreira, the disabled videooverlay (deprecated), added texturedvideo, et al
[20:31] <cwillu> noelferreira, and deleted all the repeated options that confuse matters
[20:31] <simion314> cwillu:  can i modify the start script for compiz to work? i must install other packages?
[20:31] <noelferreira> here i go
[20:32] <cwillu> simion314, iirc, you lose significant battery life by forcing it on
[20:32] <cwillu> simion314, there's a manner to disable the blacklist, I'm not dead sure what it is offhand (somebody else here probably knows, chime in if you do :p)
[20:33] <Ergo^> ethan961: if i right click desktop , select "change desk.. bgr..."  and ho to visual effects there are 3 options : none , normal , extra. I had one more in 7.10 - custom
[20:33] <simion314> i seen compiz using less then 1or 2 % of CPU  and not all the time so not so much power saving
[20:34] <nikrud> cwillu: simion314 http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[20:34] <noelferreira> cwillu, nope
[20:34] <cwillu> noelferreira, how so...
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> borschty: thanks it worked
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> borschty: someone should put it in the topic
[20:35] <noelferreira> same problem cwillu and i can't notice difference. one thing i see is that the movie in fullscreen have more problems for rendering. in original size it is almost ok
[20:35] <cwillu> noelferreira, is that with or without compiz?
[20:36] <noelferreira> with cwillu . with metacity it is even worst :)
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> borschty: also does the ubuntu archive keep old versions of packages in the pool so you can downgrade easily?
[20:36] <cwillu> noelferreira, is gstreamer-properties set back to autodetect?
[20:37] <noelferreira> i think yes
[20:37] <cwillu> noelferreira, can you check?
[20:37] <borschty> EruditeHermit: i don't know how long packages are kept on the server
[20:38] <noelferreira> should i have v4l or v4l2 in input plugin of cideo?
[20:38] <noelferreira> *video
[20:39] <cwillu> noelferreira, input doesn't matter unless you're doing video capture
[20:39] <noelferreira> so it is ok
[20:39] <noelferreira> autodetect
[20:39] <cwillu> okay
[20:40] <noelferreira> cwillu, the problem is that this is the only system i have :)
[20:40] <noelferreira> i didn't bakcup gutsy
[20:40] <noelferreira> and like always i never can wait for the stable releases
[20:40] <noelferreira> :)
[20:41] <cwillu> noelferreira, that's, um, uh...
[20:41] <cwillu> it's not a great combination of habits
[20:42] <cwillu> noelferreira, okay, came across some new info
[20:42] <cwillu> one sec though
[20:42] <noelferreira> ok
[20:42] <EruditeHermit> thanks borschty btw
[20:43] <cwillu> no, that doesn't make any sense
[20:43] <noelferreira> one last check
[20:43] <noelferreira> 1 minute
[20:45] <stephans> I just installed alpha 4... still no way to join a windows domain like SUSE?
[20:45] <stephans> I thought I read that this was supposed to be included in this release?
[20:45] <cwillu> stephans, might try installing the beta instead of a 3 month old alpha :p
[20:46] <cwillu> but no idea, sorry
[20:46] <Ergo^> ok, anyone maye has a clue what caused the custom configuration for compiz missing ?
[20:46] <AlexHoover> Hmm, has anyone else had issues updating from 6.04?
[20:46] <cwillu> almost certainly can join a domain via terminal, but I don't know if we have a gui yet
[20:46] <chdst> 6.06?
[20:46] <AlexHoover> Dapper Drake
[20:46] <AlexHoover> Whatever it is. :p
[20:47] <cwillu> AlexHoover, if you had done extensive customization, you may have all sorts of fun
[20:47] <AlexHoover> My update manager or whatever gets to the "calculation" phase and then errors.
[20:47] <AlexHoover> cwillu, nothing changed except I installed LAMP.
[20:47] <cwillu> AlexHoover, as much as possible, remove 3rd party packages and repositories
[20:48] <AlexHoover> I don't know if this is the problem
[20:48] <AlexHoover> But in the terminal it says,
[20:48] <stephans> cwillu... beta?
[20:48] <AlexHoover> "WARNING: Failed to read mirror file"
[20:48] <stephans> ok.. wait
[20:48] <J-_> So, not it starts hurting, wth!
[20:48] <J-_> s/not/now
[20:49] <J-_> whoops, thought it was #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:50] <J-_> (finger btw) frozen turkey landed on it
[20:50]  * Ergo^ wonders why he is always the only one who never receives help on irc :]
[20:50] <bjwebb> hi
[20:50] <Ergo^> hello
[20:50] <bjwebb> Ergo^: awwwww
[20:50] <simion314> the reson that compiz blacklisted my card is that something bad happen and now it is not working  fine, on 7.10 worked ok, a bug appeared in some place and i hope they will find it
[20:51] <lamalex> Did they move the location of the beta isos?
[20:51] <Ergo^> simon what gf card do you have ?
[20:51]  * bjwebb is lucky
[20:52] <cwillu> Ergo^, just means you have more interesting problems :p
[20:52] <bjwebb> my card works out of the box in the beta, but didn't in the alphas
[20:52] <Johan-_> sorry for spaming (yet again), anyone got ssl to work with netatalk?
[20:52] <bjwebb> Ergo^: what are these interesting problems of yours?
[20:52] <simion314> i have an ATI radeon
[20:52] <Ergo^> cwillu: lol ;-)
[20:52] <cwillu> Ergo^, I haven't gotten meaningful assistance in, well, a couple years :p
[20:52] <Brent^> I'm installing Ubuntu 8.04 from inside Windows Vista and the window for the installer seems to have frozen up. It says "setup was completed succesfully" but the install progress bad is only about 2/3 there. Can I close the window or will this mess up the install?
[20:53] <Ergo^> bjwebb: small problem, cant seem to find configuration setting for compiz for custom effects.. it was in 7.10 - maybe ill try reload ? :D
[20:53] <cwillu> Ergo^, not installed by default (wasn't in gutsy either)
[20:53] <stephans> OK OK -- i did not knwo that a beta was available..
[20:53] <calc> Ergo^: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:53] <Ergo^> i installed it the same way as in gutsy (synaptic)
[20:54] <Ergo^> calc its there
[20:54] <stephans> So I intend to install it using a preseed file.. anything I need to think about?
[20:54] <noelferreira> cwillu, news?
[20:54] <cwillu> noelferreira, puzzlement
[20:54] <Ergo^> i can load the compiz profile with it - it works
[20:54] <calc> maybe gnome-compiz-manager too, i'm not sure
[20:54] <Brent^> anyone know?
[20:54] <calc> i don't use compiz as it is too limited
[20:55] <Ergo^> the problem is  i have only 3 settings in visual settings : none, normal, extra ... on 7.10 i had "custom" also
[20:55] <stephans> 7.10 would refuse to use local sources... we will see if this one will do better.
[20:55] <noelferreira> what cwillu
[20:56] <Ergo^> ok maybe its something that is integrated deeply
[20:56] <Ergo^> ill try to reboot and see if it helps (yes naive... )
[20:56] <cwillu> noelferreira, jumped through 4 bug reports, a couple wiki pages, settled on an update which should solve it, which is apparently already in mainline
[20:56] <noelferreira> and...
[20:56] <cwillu> x200 you said, right?
[20:57] <noelferreira> yes cwillu
[20:57] <noelferreira> radeon xpress 200 M
[20:59] <Brent^> hmm... forcing that window to close then restarting, good idea or bad idea?
[20:59] <cwillu> noelferreira, what does xvinfo give you?
[21:00] <tgelter> is there a reason that my gdm theme hasn't been updated like everyone else's?
[21:01] <alex_mayorga> throw me a bone here, not audio at all
[21:01] <b47619> I installed the beta and am still having the same issue!
[21:01] <b47619> the xserver restarts in a normal gnome session and i have no /etc/gnome/config
[21:02] <sectech> Has anyone had any luck getting Java working in Firefox3b4 on hardy yet?
[21:03] <SeveredCross> Has anyone had problems with Totem not playing DVD's?
[21:03] <noelferreira> cwillu, http://pastebin.com/m72043474
[21:03] <fromport> sectech: 32 or 64 ?
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> sectech: check bug 201143 for my workaround
[21:03] <cwillu> noelferreira, um
[21:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201143 in sun-java6 "no Java plugin for Firefox with sun-java-6 installed in Hardy alpha 6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201143
[21:04] <cwillu> noelferreira, xgl shouldn't be showing up there
[21:04] <SeveredCross> I just installed icedtea's JDK, then Java worked.
[21:04] <cwillu> noelferreira, is xserver-xgl installed in synaptic?
[21:04] <sectech> ok :) thanks alex_mayorga
[21:05] <sectech> fromport, 32
[21:05] <b47619> does anyone know of a cause for this: the xserver restarts in a normal gnome session and i have no /etc/gnome/config
[21:05] <cwillu> b47619, is this still an update, or a fresh reinstall?
[21:05] <Ergo^> back
[21:06] <b47619> fresh reinstall
[21:06] <Ergo^> still no "custom" setting for compiz :D
[21:06] <cwillu> Ergo^, where are you looking?
[21:06] <cwillu> Ergo^, system | preferences | advanced desktop effects settings?
[21:07] <Ergo^> cwillu: thats the compizconfig-manager , yes ? i have that
[21:07] <alex_mayorga> any known workaround for the "no audio" situation?
[21:08] <cwillu> Ergo^, commas and question marks have no spaces before them :p
[21:08] <cwillu> Ergo^, do you have that menu entry?
[21:08] <fromport> sectech: i have java working in my browser: i used sun-java6-jre. to run non browser java i had to install icedtea-java7-jre
[21:08] <Ergo^> im looking in " right click desktop > change backround >visual effects
[21:08] <Ergo^> cwillu: yes i have that menu entry
[21:08] <cwillu> Ergo^, that's the settings for compiz
[21:08] <noelferreira> cwillu, yes
[21:08] <cwillu> unless you're looking for something else
[21:09] <cwillu> noelferreira, that shouldn't be installed
[21:09] <cwillu> but
[21:09] <noelferreira> let me see
[21:09] <noelferreira> ah wait no
[21:09] <noelferreira> xgl no
[21:09] <fromport> b47619 try a clean install and make sure you have no old "data": wipe your partions
[21:09] <noelferreira> it uses AIGLX no
[21:09] <noelferreira> now
[21:09] <cwillu> noelferreira, what does ps aux|grep X give you?
[21:09] <b47619> i format EVERY time
[21:09] <b47619> and can ubuntu 8.04 write to ntfs as a clena install?
[21:10] <cwillu> b47619, yes
[21:10] <noelferreira>  19407 30.9 17.9<PHONE_NUMBER>32 ?       S    21:52   5:13 Xgl :1 -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[21:10] <noelferreira>  :)
[21:10] <fromport> and everytime it's not working ? you dont restore any old config /home dir ?
[21:10] <sectech> fromport, I just tried the work around that was posted.... The applet tries to load (using a popular java game site)
[21:10] <b47619> i thought so
[21:10] <cwillu> noelferreira, caught you :p
[21:10] <Ergo^> cwillu: yes i have the setting manager for compiz installed, i just cant get it to rememver what settings i set ;-)
[21:10] <noelferreira> lol
[21:10] <fromport> sectech: url ?
[21:10] <cwillu> Ergo^, ahhhh, looking for what you had set before
[21:10] <noelferreira> i will remove and restart X
[21:11] <cwillu> Ergo^, was it a synaptic install before, or did you run a compiled or thirdparty compiz?
[21:11] <sectech> actually wait a sec.... I think something got mixed up here....
[21:11] <cwillu> Ergo^, but you might be out of luck, although you can dig around your home dir
[21:11] <b47619> and I can't resize an ntfs partition...
[21:12] <sectech> heh,  lets try removing firefox2 and 3
[21:12] <Ergo^> cwillu: it was synaptic install
[21:12] <sectech> didn't realize I had both installed
[21:12] <cwillu> b47619, run a scandisk from windows, reboot twice CLEANLY, and then boot into ubuntu's live cd (again, clean restart, no power buttons)
[21:12] <cwillu> b47619, ubuntu knows better than to try to mess with a partition that might have errors on it :p
[21:12] <cwillu> Ergo^, :/
[21:12] <b47619> I can't boot into the live cd it retsarts there also
[21:13] <b47619> the xserver also restarts on the live cd.
[21:13] <cwillu> b47619, what video card?
[21:13] <b47619> onboard ati radeon xpress 200
[21:13] <cwillu> :/
[21:13] <cwillu> I think you have hardware problems
[21:14] <Brent^> I installed ubuntu 8.04 beta but when I boot to that partition it doesn't give me a GUI. Is their something I have to type?
[21:14] <b47619> i think so
[21:14] <b47619> also what should I do get another hard drive or a cd drive?
[21:14] <cwillu> b47619, noelferreira has the same chipset, but it doesn't kill it
[21:14] <b47619> I am burning to sony dvd since I think I am out of cds
[21:14] <b47619> should I try a cd?
[21:14] <b47619> I have had issues with these dvds before
[21:15] <cwillu> b47619, it's really hard to say;  if the iso test worked fine, then it's probably not the drive, but there's so many possible places a problem could arise
[21:15] <freexe> My sound has stopped working since I've upgraded, is there a way to get Ubuntu to re autodetect my sound drivers?
[21:15] <b47619> 2 sound cards and 2 network cards
[21:15] <b47619> 1 onboard and an add-on
[21:17] <freexe> Anyone?
[21:17]  * cwillu wishes he had a couple clones
[21:18] <cwillu> freexe, run this in a terminal: lspci|grep -i audio
[21:18] <flipstar> not Audio ?
[21:19] <freexe> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[21:19] <cwillu> flipstar, I just use -i to ignore case and ignore the fact that the case may vary :p
[21:19] <flipstar> oh right oversaw that
[21:20] <freexe> I get the error No Volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found if I double click on the speak on the toolbar
[21:20] <Brent^> Ubuntu 8.04 hates me ;_;
[21:20] <nikolas_> Hi all
[21:20] <nikolas_>  I have trouble connecting to my wireless network (wep encrypted) after upgrading today to hardy beta
[21:20] <SeveredCross> Brent^: Why, what's wrong?
[21:20] <SeveredCross> nikolas_: Any errors?
[21:20] <nikolas_> so here it goes
[21:20] <nikolas_> before the dist-upgrade to trouble at all
[21:20] <SeveredCross> nikolas_: A good way to look for errors is to tail -f /var/log/daemon.log and see what happens there, look for anything NetworkManager related.
[21:21] <Brent^> it wont show any kind of GUI when I try and use it and I dont know what commands to type to get it to do so
[21:21] <nikolas_> I upgraded and still no trouble with the network
[21:21] <freexe> cwillu, is there anything else I can look for?
[21:21] <Ergo^> cwillu: http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotub5.png - can you confirm you dont have "custom" setting too ?
[21:21] <nikolas_> then i did the proposed updates and lost the wireless netwrking
[21:21] <cwillu> one sec
[21:21] <flipstar> !intelhda | freexe did you looked at this ?
[21:21] <ubotu> freexe did you looked at this ?: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[21:21] <nikolas_> give me a sec to check for the error messages
[21:21] <Ergo^> compiz guys say its probably a bug in ubuntu not compiz
[21:22] <sectech> The work around worked great
[21:22] <sectech> thank you
[21:23] <nikolas_> I checked the syslog 5 minutes ago and there were tons of messages on wlan0
[21:23] <Brent^> how do I check if I accidentally installed the server version of ubuntu?
[21:23] <napsy_> hm something strange is happening with my system after the latest upgrades
[21:23] <napsy_> the system gets very unresponsive for a short period of time
[21:24] <cwillu> Brent^, just install ubuntu-desktop, that'll get you a normal desktop install (server install is really just a barebones)
[21:24] <nikolas_> rebooting the laptop and fetching the daemon.log
[21:24] <Brent^> cwillu: I know, but how do I check what is already installed
[21:24] <cwillu> Ergo^, where you just looking for the fourth option?
[21:25] <cwillu> Brent^, package manager?
[21:25] <Brent^> dont know what that is
[21:25] <cwillu> Brent^, it'll have whatever you've installed
[21:25] <Ergo^> on that screenshot it was under "extra" , at least in 7.10
[21:25] <insomninja> Brent^, if you installed the server version, you wouldn't have a graphical environment
[21:25] <insomninja> from the beginning at least
[21:25] <b47619> do you think 2 sound cards and 2 network cards is causing my issue? or is it the sony dvds instead of cds?
[21:25] <cwillu> Ergo^, ya, I remember that;  my laptop just shows the three with none selected
[21:25] <freexe> Does hardy still use asla, what is all the pulse audio stuff about
[21:25] <cwillu> Ergo^, feel free to report a bug :p
[21:26] <Ergo^> bah :D
[21:26] <Brent^> only graphics I saw when I booted it was "ubuntu" and a load bar. then no GUI
[21:26] <cwillu> freexe, yes;  alsa hasn't been replaced, esd has
[21:26] <cwillu> freexe, alsa is the low level drivers (alternative to oss), where esd is the mixer that allows more than one app to use sound at a time (and which is replaced by pulse)
[21:26] <cwillu> Brent^, log in, and then type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:26] <freexe> cwillu, how do I find out if alsa is broken
[21:27] <cwillu> freexe, look at the link flipstar pointed you at
[21:27] <insomninja> Brent^, if it went/stayed in terminal mode, without any xserver error messages I would suppose you have the server version installed
[21:27] <eklof> Is there a regexp-wizkid around? How do I extract only v4 ip-addresses out of any logfile?
[21:27] <b47619> woulkd 2 sound cards and 2 network cards cause my issues or sony dvds?
[21:28] <freexe> cwillu, I have, it's quite long winded, and I wanted to be sure before moving away from the package manager
[21:28] <eklof> Can't print columns using cut or awk since the ip is not on a specific column
[21:28] <cwillu> eklof, /d+\./d+\./d+\./d+\ is approximately what you want
[21:28] <insomninja> Brent^, (since a wrongly configured xserver would also drop you to terminal, but leave messages)
[21:28] <eklof> cwillu: hm ok.
[21:28] <zcat[1]> ever since I installed nvidia drivers, I get no loading splash, just grub, black screen until gdm loads
[21:28] <cwillu>  /d = digit, +=at least once, \. = literal dot, etc
[21:28] <Brent^> alright I'll try that. Gotta reboot this machine to find out
[21:29] <Brent^> so I type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" correct?
[21:29] <cwillu> zcat[1], odd, I wouldn't expect it to affect that off a clean reboot
[21:29] <zcat[1]> Brent^: that'll work
[21:29] <cwillu> Brent^, it might take a little while though
[21:29] <cwillu> Brent^, might be quicker to just reinstall
[21:29] <zcat[1]> I think it was working b4 the nvidia drivers.. it might have been broken from the start
[21:30] <cwillu> zcat[1], did you install any fb stuff, or change the grub lines?
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> anyone running hardy beta with fglrx driver? X keeps crashing whenever i right click with the mouse....
[21:30] <zcat[1]> nope
[21:30] <nikolas_> ok
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> still playing with stuff to see if i can find a cause...
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> but, the fglrx driver crashes
[21:30] <TobiasTheCommie> http://rafb.net/p/MeXvKd88.html
[21:30] <cwillu> I'm starting to think fglrx might be the bane of hardy
[21:31] <nikolas_> The problem with the wireless propably starts with the line wlan0 fully supported using driver '(null)'
[21:31] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: haha, so i take it this isn't the only problem with fglrx
[21:31] <pej> I'm having troubles with my LUKS encrypted partitions not being recognized by Hardy. Whenever I boot the computer, I'm never asked for the passphrase, and I get an error message saying cryptsetup can't find the partition. Any ideas as to what might be wrong?
[21:31]  * cwillu glances at noelferreira
[21:31] <zcat[1]> oh well, gtg move some files about, bbl...
[21:31] <Brent^> cwillu: last time I installed (from instide windows) the window froze up and I couldn't do anything like task manager or shutdown. so I had to hold the power button for 6 secs. bad idea?
[21:32] <cwillu> Brent^, it's not ideal
[21:32] <cwillu> Brent^, sorry, I haven't played with wubi much at all
[21:32] <nikolas_> after a bunch of lines on wlan0 activation stages i have a <WARN> tag
[21:32] <Brent^> cwillu: it said "installation completed" so I assummed it was finw
[21:32] <Brent^> fine*
[21:33] <MasterScript> hi
[21:33] <Brent^> well I'll try the other thing and be back when its done
[21:33] <cwillu> ahhhh, I get it
[21:33] <atlef> anyone experience this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayerplug-in/+bug/204203
[21:33] <MasterScript> can somebody help me with shoutcast?
[21:33] <cwillu> sorry, too many conversations I'm trying to have :0
[21:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204203 in mplayerplug-in "difficult to remove FF3 beta, and keep FF2 functionality" [Undecided,New]
[21:33] <nikolas_> nm_signal_handler(): Caught signal 11. Generating backtrace
[21:33] <cwillu> Brent^, ya, if you've gotten that far, the ubuntu-desktop will work
[21:33] <TobiasTheCommie> hehe, also middle button crashes it
[21:33] <noelferreira> cwillu, sorry. i was eating sometinhg
[21:34] <cwillu> noelferreira, no problem, I was just pointing people at you to commiserate with
[21:36] <flipstar> MasterScript: whats the prob with shoutcast ?
[21:36] <noelferreira> ah ok cwillu thanks
[21:37] <MasterScript> flipstar: -bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory
[21:37] <flipstar> youre in the right directory ?
[21:38] <MasterScript> yup
[21:38] <nikolas_> any help on getting the wireless network back up?
[21:38] <MasterScript> masterscript@masterscript-desktop:~/shell$ cd sc
[21:39] <flipstar> ls lists it ?
[21:39] <MasterScript> README.TXT  sc_serv  sc_serv_1.9.8_Linux.tar.gz  sc_serv.conf
[21:39] <TobiasTheCommie> wow, there are indeed many bug reports regarding fglrx
[21:39] <TobiasTheCommie> though none that seem to have anything to do with my problem...
[21:39] <TobiasTheCommie> sadly
[21:40] <flipstar> MasterScript: try with full path and autocomplete (tab)
[21:40] <Skiessi> I think the default channel should be set to #ubuntu+1 in testing versions of ubuntu and then set to #ubuntu after the release
[21:40] <MasterScript> flipstar: for example?
[21:41] <freexe> Cheers, that fixed my sound, I presume that I don't need to file a bug report or anything?
[21:41] <flipstar> MasterScript: $HOME/sc/sc_serv_1.9.8_Linux/sc_serv or wherever it is
[21:41] <flipstar> freexe: nope
[21:41] <MasterScript> /home/masterscript/shell/sc
[21:42] <flipstar> then type /home/masterscript/shell/sc/sc_serv
[21:42] <flipstar> use autocomplete to make sure its correct
[21:44] <flipstar> btw this is not a hardy topic -_-
[21:46] <MasterScript> :(
[21:46] <flipstar> nothing..?
[21:47] <MasterScript> i am tired
[21:47] <MasterScript> i dont know how to do it
[21:47] <MasterScript> shit
[21:48] <TobiasTheCommie> well, doesn't crash with vesa
[21:50] <nikolas_> anyone on the network manager bug?
[21:50] <borschty> nikolas_: 99%cpu usage?
[21:50] <nikolas_> I tailed the daemons.log and dumped it on a file,anyone willing to take a look?
[21:50] <nikolas_> yes
[21:50] <nikolas_> thats one symptom
[21:50] <MasterScript> flipstar: can u tech me step by step?
[21:51] <borschty> downgrade hal to 0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2
[21:51] <flipstar> MasterScript: copy & paste /home/masterscript/shell/sc/sc_ into a terminal..
[21:51] <flipstar> then press tab
[21:51] <nikolas_> capable of scanning but not connecting to the network
[21:51] <borschty> maybe you need to downgrade libhal aswell
[21:51] <borschty> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/ there are the packages
[21:51] <nikolas_> any guidelines on that?
[21:51] <nikolas_> ok will try that
[21:51] <borschty> and wait till new hal packages will be released
[21:52] <tgelter> ummm...anyone else have cpu usage jump to around 50% per cpu when gnome-system-monitor is open?
[21:52] <mneptok> MasterScript: what is sc_serv?
[21:52] <nikolas_> any bugreport fied on it yet?
[21:52] <flipstar> mneptok: shoutcast server
[21:52] <borschty> 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2 might fix that issue, it will be on the archive in a few hours
[21:52] <borschty> yes
[21:52] <nikolas_> can I have the link ?
[21:53] <nikolas_> i want to contribute :P
[21:53] <MasterScript> flipstar: -bash: /home/masterscript/shell/sc/sc_serv: No such file or directory
[21:53] <hmuller> Is the 3-19 daily live iso the same as the beta?
[21:53] <borschty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/204773
[21:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204773 in hal "Latest HAL breaks NetworkManager (dup-of: 204768)" [Undecided,New]
[21:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204768 in kde-guidance "[hardy] Latest HAL breaks guidance powermanager" [Undecided,In progress]
[21:53] <flipstar> MasterScript: you used tab this time ?
[21:53] <nikolas_> ok tnx a lot!
[21:54] <MasterScript> flipstar: i dont understand
[21:55] <flipstar> !tab | MasterScript
[21:55] <ubotu> MasterScript: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[21:57] <Angelus> guys
[21:57] <Angelus> any major bugs in kubuntu-beta?
[21:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it's beta, i'd say that's a given...  but check the release notes and such
[21:58] <hmuller> Angelus: Depends on your definition of major.
[21:58] <axisys> !apache
[21:58] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[21:58] <axisys> looking for steps on how to setup mod_perl with apache2?
[21:59] <Angelus> Daisuke_Ido: the things is that on its page there only 2 bugs listed, the microsoft bug wihich is bug #1 and the kde-4 bug
[21:59] <TobiasTheCommie> hm, oki, i need some help debugging this
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[21:59] <flipstar> axisys: try in #apache
[21:59] <axisys> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 <-- i did that
[21:59] <axisys> flipstar: ok thnx
[21:59] <TobiasTheCommie> Xorg[6540]: segfault at 58 rip 7f808e2bda16 rsp 7fffa73bb150 error 4 <- it is kinda hard to find this problem when all the numbers(except "error 4") changes, which they do
[21:59] <TobiasTheCommie> Xorg[6530]: segfault at 51 rip 7f2c73043a16 rsp 7fff8c2dc210 error 4 <- this is another crash
[22:00] <MasterScript> flipstar: yup
[22:01] <flipstar> MasterScript: is it executeable ?
[22:01] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, welcome to the joy of proprietary drivers.  Go forth and complain to amd
[22:02] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: hehe, yeah, trying to change to normal radeon drivers... but, tv-out is no worky for me on it, i have filed a bug report...
[22:02] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, there's a trick to that (I have it working on a mythtv box, but it's a bit hacky)
[22:02] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: i just wasn't sure if those registers were fglrx or if they were xorg...
[22:03] <MasterScript> flipstar: i see file .bash ....
[22:03] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: well, i can get tv-out to work with the opensource drivers in ntsc mode, but that gives me black and white output.. with pal mode the display is in colour, but it flickers..(or rather, moves rapidly from left to right)
[22:03] <flipstar> MasterScript: right click on that file and go to properties or so and check if its executeable
[22:04] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, http://nokia.cwillu.com/radeon.txt is what I run on logon (not all the options have xorg.conf equivilents, annoyingly)
[22:06] <MasterScript> flipstar: type:executeable
[22:06] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: well, i could give it a go with the xrandr i guess.... though i believe i have tried taht before :D
[22:06] <TobiasTheCommie> but, it does work for me in ntsc mode, as i said, though being in b/w(but that is because my telly is only pal)
[22:07] <flipstar> MasterScript: please ask in #ubuntu , i dont have gnome
[22:07] <TobiasTheCommie> still weird that the mouse buttons crash xorg.....
[22:07] <TobiasTheCommie> wait a minute...
[22:07] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, might still need some xorg.conf settings
[22:08] <cwillu>  Option "TVStandard" "ntsc",  Option "ForceTVOut" "on"
[22:08] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: no, my problem is not settings... it is the driver
[22:08] <TobiasTheCommie> i'm on an r530
[22:08] <TobiasTheCommie> :D
[22:08] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, no, I just mean for the open radeon driver
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> trust me, it isn't...
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> not an xorg setting...
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> the problem is the frquency on the tv out for my specific card.. in some way or another....
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> HAH
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> yes
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> the problem i am having is NOT fglrx
[22:09] <TobiasTheCommie> :D
[22:10] <TobiasTheCommie> it is evdev
[22:10] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: so you can relax now, i don't have an fglrx problem ;)
[22:11] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, did I mention that I like 9250's because I can put 4 in a machine and get an 8 seat computer if I screw around with evdev enough? :p
[22:12] <TobiasTheCommie> nope
[22:13] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: http://rafb.net/p/u2siEU52.html <- this is the crash, not fglrx :D
[22:13] <TobiasTheCommie> ehm, what was the link to the hardy bugs?
[22:13] <Brent^> alright I ubuntu 8.04 working (thanks cwillu) but my wireless card wont connect to my wireless network
[22:13] <TobiasTheCommie> launcpad something i think
[22:13] <cwillu> Brent^, you know what chipset?
[22:14] <Brent^> no but I can look that up... example?
[22:14] <Brent^> of what I'm looking for
[22:14] <TobiasTheCommie> found it
[22:14] <cwillu> lspci|grep -i net
[22:14] <insomninja> When I run screen my backspace key doesn't work, any ideas?
[22:15] <cwillu> (Brent^, that was for you)
[22:16] <Brent^> oh, alright :P
[22:16] <Brent^> sorry
[22:17] <TobiasTheCommie> insomninja: i seem to remember it is a screenrc problem
[22:17] <Brent^> I have to reboot to get to ubuntu :P I'm gonna go borrow my brothers computer while I'm waiting so I don't have to keep switching between
[22:17] <TobiasTheCommie> once my computer is rebooted i'll see if i can find it...
[22:18] <cwillu> k
[22:18] <marlun> My TAB completion is not working when using "aptitude install xxxTAB or with apt-get. What could be the cause of this?
[22:20] <Ergo^> guys
[22:21] <budmang> Anyone know how to get extended desktop working?
[22:21] <cwillu> budmang, depends on the videocard
[22:21] <TobiasTheCommie> insomninja: can't find anything in my screenrc file
[22:21] <TobiasTheCommie> damn
[22:21] <cwillu> although it's getting better
[22:21] <budmang> The screen resolution has been getting better with each update.
[22:21] <Ergo^> i have a problem with antoher pc, that has uses a wifi card - the networkmanager seems to use 100% of cpu when it tries connecting to AP
[22:21] <budmang> But I can only mirror currently, I want extended.
[22:21] <budmang> Intel GMA cwillu
[22:22] <cwillu> :/, the one chipset I haven't done this with yet
[22:22] <insomninja> TobiasTheCommie, thanks anyway
[22:22] <RAOF> budmang: It's pretty easy; there's just one real trick.
[22:22] <budmang> RAOF: what trick?
[22:23] <budmang> cwillu: I can test for you if you would like.
[22:23] <TobiasTheCommie> insomninja: try here http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dnr/the-almost-perfect-backspace-solution.txt
[22:23] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: disabled evdev, playing now :D
[22:23] <insomninja> thanks
[22:24] <RAOF> budmang: The trick is that, by default, X will only allocate a framebuffer as large as the screen you have plugged in, and it can't make it bigger.  You need to set the Virtual size in xorg.conf, or otherwise specify things in there.  This is a good reference: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[22:24] <Brent^> cwillu: it gave me Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 14)         Network controller: Intel Corperation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
[22:24] <Brent^> from typing in "lspci|grep -i net"
[22:25] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: yup, no more crashes.. :D
[22:25] <cwillu> Brent^, okay, intel chipset
[22:25] <Brent^> grr nevermeind
[22:25] <cwillu> unfortunately, that also falls under the category of things I don't know much about :p
[22:25] <Brent^> I fixed it
[22:26] <cwillu> oh, goodie :)
[22:26] <cwillu> I was under the impression intel wireless just worked :)
[22:26] <Brent^> I guess everytime I get a problem I just have to reboot to fix it :P
[22:27] <cwillu> there's almost always a way to do it without rebooting if its important, but learning all the ways isn't always worth the effort :p
[22:27] <Brent^> :P exactly
[22:28] <mneptok> Brent^: the 4965 should "just work" with Hardy
[22:28] <Brent^> it did
[22:28] <Brent^> It just needed a restart
[22:28] <budmang> sorry was disconnected I didnt get either replies!
[22:28] <mneptok> sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[22:28] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I am reading wubi site and I am wondering what it actually does? It allows the user to install ubuntu from inside windows but does it work as a virtual machine or you can boot into ubuntu alone without windows presence? Thanks
[22:29] <cwillu> K_Dallas, it's standalone, but installed as a file in the windows filesystem instead of partitioning, afaik
[22:29] <budmang> cwillu: would I be able to test something on my card for extended desktop for you?
[22:30] <cwillu> ?
[22:30] <budmang> anyone know the extended desktop trick for an intel gma?
[22:30] <cwillu> oh, ya
[22:30] <cwillu> :p
[22:30] <cwillu> budmang, I'm working on it
[22:30] <cwillu> budmang, my laptop is intel, just hadn't played with it yet
[22:31] <[mbm]> budmang: you want the virtual desktop with screen panning?
[22:31] <budmang> Someone else had mentioned they knew a trick.  I do not need virtual desktops per say, really just another mointor with its own desktop. 2 real desktops no virtuals.
[22:32] <RAOF> budmang: The trick is that, by default, X will only allocate a framebuffer as large as the screen you have plugged in, and it can't make it bigger.  You need to set the Virtual size in xorg.conf, or otherwise specify things in there.  This is a good reference: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[22:32] <[mbm]> oh, dual monitor
[22:32] <cwillu> budmang, it needs a oneline adjustment in xorg.conf, I'm just working it out :p
[22:33] <K_Dallas> cwillu, thanks
[22:33] <budmang> cwillu: working it out now? or in the future?
[22:33] <cwillu> now
[22:34] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: i found a patch that fixes my problem, it is in upstream, but anyway i can get it into the final hardy before it launches?
[22:34] <budmang> I see, let me know when you come up with something.
[22:34] <budmang> Would be a life saver to have that :)
[22:34] <mi> can i do upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 with envy driver or i must first uninstall evny ?
[22:35] <cwillu> TobiasTheCommie, not sure; launchpad and the mailing lists would be your best bet
[22:35] <budmang> anyone have any TOUCHPAD tips? scrolling, click and drag
[22:36] <TobiasTheCommie> cwillu: oki, thanks
[22:36] <cwillu> budmang, what resolution are you running right now?
[22:36] <budmang> my laptop screen is 1440x900 my external vga lcd is 1280x1024
[22:37] <cwillu> budmang, are you attached to compiz?
[22:38] <budmang> its not needed, but nice.
[22:39] <cwillu> budmang, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add the line Virtual 2720 1024 to the screen>device section
[22:39] <budmang> Virtual 2720 1024 ?
[22:39] <cwillu> yep
[22:39] <cwillu> 1440+1280
[22:45] <jessica> ok i have just updated and im getting error messages when i try and compile my wireless drivers
[22:50] <jessica> please help me with my wirelss
[22:50] <jessica> *wireless
[22:50] <jessica> i need it to work
[22:51] <J-_> !wireless | jessica
[22:51] <ubotu> jessica: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:52] <jessica> it dosnt have my device ive looked on the web
[22:53] <cwillu> heh
[22:54] <cwillu> my laptops max texturesize is 56 pixels smaller than my laptop's screen size + 800x600
[22:54] <cwillu> aka, I have to run at 640x480 on the external monitor if I want compiz :)
[22:54] <jessica> i have the realtek RTL8187B
[22:55] <jessica> it wont work i have tryed compiling the driver but it comes up with errors
[22:56] <RAOF> jessica: Why aure you compiling the drivers?
[22:56] <RAOF> jessica: And what Ubuntu version are you using, and what card do you have?
[22:56] <jessica> because there is no driver in the kernal
[22:57]  * mneptok whispers "kernel"
[22:57] <b47619> I gave up with trying get it working and will just us ea failsafe session
[22:57] <b47619> there is no drive rin the xolonal
[22:57] <b47619> there is no driver in the colonal
[22:58] <RAOF> jessica: So, what is your wireless card, where did you get the drivers from, etc
[22:59] <b47619> ndiswrapper.