[16:52] <Dr_willis> Dark Horizons: Lore Invasion is now available for free from the independent game developer/publisher GarageGames. _ it supports linux. and is Free. :) Not GPL.. but free.
[16:52] <flaccid> you have to remember that in corporate environments the systems are policy based so they cannot install or even request to install a copy of openoffice
[16:52] <flaccid> mauri: another operating system
[16:53] <Schuenemann> mauri, example: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3507
[16:53] <velh0> Dr_willis: it doesn't work. this means the X is locked? so i have to reboot?
[16:53] <Dr_willis> velh0,  if its locked up that badly.. i would say its reboot time. just to be sure.
[16:53] <velh0> Dr_willis: there's nothing i can recover, from the other programs?
[16:54] <velh0> Dr_willis: there's nothing i can recover, from the other programs that are open?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> velh0,  not that i know of.. the apps may still be running, so any downloads may eventually finish..
[16:54] <Dr_willis> it depends on the apps i guess and what they are doing
[16:54] <Dr_willis> or they may allready be crashed also.
[16:54] <flaccid> oops, i have to print this doco in 2mins but this person wants me to install openoffice to be able to open and print the document sent to me :p
[16:54] <zeno> Dr_willis: ah thx, you think the damage is permanent?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> zeno,  doubtfull. proberly the X drivers crashed.
[16:55] <mauri> Schuenemann: you have to excume me but I'm a beginner in linux world. The game you posted me is free?
[16:55] <Schuenemann> flaccid, well, I got you, but, if you change it to word, you have the same. And what's worse: if it isn't windows...
[16:55] <Schuenemann> mauri, no, but it's a windows game running in linux
[16:55] <velh0> Dr_willis: well... it's a fresh installed kubuntu... maybe some packages are missing. i don't think i have the video drivers installed...
[16:55] <Schuenemann> mauri, well, I think CS is free anyway. But, still windows
[16:55] <velh0> Dr_willis: well... it's a fresh installed kubuntu... maybe some packages are missing. i don't think i have the video drivers installed...
[16:56] <Dr_willis> velh0,  if using some ati cards with the 'ati'  drivers. (vs the fglrx) drivers. there can be crashes also.
[16:56] <velh0> Dr_willis: (sorry)
[16:56] <Dr_willis> Dark Horizons: Lore Invasion is now available for free for linux.  :)
[16:56] <mauri> Schuenemann: ok I understand
[16:56] <Schuenemann> flaccid, I know the majority of computers is MS and all its crap, but, for most cases, there's no reason for that. It's generally worse
[16:56] <flaccid> Schuenemann: yeah but thats irrelevant as i send in open format first and fallback to giving the a doc format. if you receive incoming office 2008 format and it doesn't render correctly in openoffice, you have to install ms office 2008..
[16:57] <Dr_willis> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2357  for other linux native games and news also.
[16:57] <flaccid> Schuenemann: in some cases you have to use m$
[16:57] <flaccid> because people share data
[16:58] <Dr_willis> Untill the RIAA sues them. :)
[16:59] <Kennie08> Hello, I recently burned kubuntu 7.10 onto a dvd, I rebooted and the dvd initialized just fine, but in the menu where you are to choose what to do (in my case install/run the livecd (first option)), I couldn't enter any of them. It seemed like none of my enter buttons worked, I tried all buttons I could come up with, but no. I can select different options using the arrows, use the F# buttons to change those options, but I can't start
[16:59] <Dr_willis> Kennie08,  so all keys work except the 'enter' key?
[16:59] <Kennie08> I think so
[17:00] <Dr_willis> even the numpad enter ?
[17:00] <Kennie08> that one doesn't work, no
[17:00] <limac> flaccid: i installed gdm but when I logout i can't see it in the session type option???? :?
[17:00] <Dr_willis> thats... weird.. does the machine have a ps2 keyboard conector? are you using ps2 or usb keyboasrd? got a ps2 keyboard to try?
[17:01] <Dr_willis> :) ive had some machines that i MUST use a ps2 keyboard for grub menus..
[17:01] <Kennie08> umm, seems like it's an usb keyboard connected to a ps2 port via an adapter
[17:01] <Schuenemann> flaccid, well, if you don't need to edit it, you can communicate with PDF. I visited a company that does that sometimes. It uses M$ Project and the others a free tool.
[17:02] <Kennie08> and I haven't got any other keyboards, unfortunately
[17:02] <Dr_willis> Kennie08,  ick. :) heh .. not seen that done in years..
[17:02] <Dr_willis> could try ctrl-j or ctrl-m to hit enter.
[17:02] <Kennie08> yeah well I think I got the adapter about 4 years ago or so
[17:02] <Dr_willis> I though grub auto-ran the default entry after like 20 sec.
[17:02] <Kennie08> yeah
[17:02] <Kennie08> it did
[17:02] <Kennie08> I waited for it to come to 0
[17:02] <Schuenemann> I had a distro that after an update stopped accepting my USB keyboard
[17:02] <Kennie08> but nothing happened
[17:02] <Dr_willis> there is a legacy usb  option int he bios youmight want to try changing.
[17:03] <Dr_willis> but when i changed that on my other machines -- they locked up. :(
[17:03] <flaccid> Schuenemann: yeah but there is still re-work and possible loss in rendering
[17:03] <Dr_willis> am i the only person in the world that has a whole closet of keyboards? :) i must have 20+ of them.
[17:03] <Schuenemann> flaccid, at least no one was obligated to change. Specially to M$ program :p
[17:04] <Kennie08> hmm, but when it actually doesn't seem to run, even if I let it countdown so it normally should run..? That doesn't seem too keyboard-related to me.. :/
[17:04] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, I have one and I have spitted water on it 2 times
[17:04] <flaccid> Schuenemann: i hate m$, but have to do with business in the corporate world dang
[17:04] <flaccid> do=deal
[17:04] <Schuenemann> me too
[17:06] <limac> flaccid: i installed gdm (sudo apt-get install gdm) but when i logout, i can't see it under session type as an option!!! how come????
[17:07] <flaccid> limac: gdm is a login manager not a window manager or desktop environment
[17:08] <spykedtomato> hey everyone - I got a Seagate FreeAgent 250Gb usb harddrive for christmas - I'm looking for a guide to set it up, but the forums aren't giving me anything so far - anyone have any ideas? I'm using kubuntu gutsy...
[17:08] <limac> so what should I do to get gnome as a window manager?
[17:08] <flaccid> its what gnome uses by default, no need to change kdm to gdm, limac
[17:08] <flaccid> limac: install the package ubuntu-desktop
[17:08] <flaccid> !gnome | limac
[17:08] <ubotu> limac: gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[17:08] <flaccid> interesting
[17:08] <limac> flaccid: but then isn't my kubuntu-desktop going to disappear
[17:09] <jpatrick> limac: no
[17:09] <limac> or could i choose which one to boot into
[17:09] <limac> ?
[17:09] <jpatrick> limac: yes
[17:09] <jpatrick> limac: you choose from the session menu
[17:09] <flaccid> if you install ubuntu-desktop by default kdm will keep the last selected option from the session dropdown
[17:09] <limac> jpatrick thx and flaccid thx again
[17:09] <flaccid> np
[17:09] <limac> lemme try
[17:09] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  you want to reformat it to be linux filesystem? or keep windows filesystem on it?
[17:10] <jpatrick> limac: weren't you at the tutorials day?
[17:10] <limac> jpatrick : yup
[17:10] <jpatrick> limac: I thought I saw you somewhere else ;)
[17:10] <flaccid> subi fildo
[17:10] <limac> ;)
[17:10] <spykedtomato> Dr_willis: would prefer windoze, to be able to share with my non-enlightened family... but not necessarily ntfs
[17:10] <limac> :)
[17:11] <fildo> not alot flaccid
[17:11] <fildo> being bored as mofo
[17:11] <flaccid> i can't sleep dang
[17:11] <fildo> me neither mate
[17:12] <fildo> we are insane in the membrane
[17:12] <Kennie08> oh well, let's have another try
[17:12] <Kennie08> thanks
[17:12] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  well vfat has a file size limitation.
[17:12] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  in short you plug in the disk. find out where its seen at. use gparted , or other tools to fdisk/partition the drive. then format the partitions, then mount them. :)
[17:13] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  what have you done to it so far? it may allready be formated to fat32 or ntfs.
[17:14] <flaccid> hmm 4:15am nearly time to pass out
[17:14] <spykedtomato> Dr_willis: haven't done anything - I checked the forums before starting anything, and saw that 1) the drive is formatted ntfs, and 2) a LOT of people had problems with the drive in feisty, but I can't find out what they're saying in gutsy
[17:15] <flaccid> !ntfs | spykedtomato
[17:15] <ubotu> spykedtomato: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[17:15] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  install the ntfs-3g tools ( they may allready be there) and plug it in.. shoudl work
[17:16] <spykedtomato> Dr_willis: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g tools?
[17:16] <flaccid> spykedtomato: if its gutsy i don't think you need ntfs-3g, lets see
[17:16] <flaccid> !info ntfs-3g
[17:16] <spykedtomato> ok - should I just plug in the drive and see what happens then?
[17:16] <Dr_willis> ntfg-3g is included in gutsy now? i forget..
[17:16] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  plug it in ! be brave! be daring!
[17:16] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[17:17] <Dr_willis> be all the things MS dont want you to be!
[17:17] <flaccid> um yes it seems so
[17:17] <spykedtomato> llol
[17:17] <spykedtomato> ok 2 seks
[17:17] <flaccid> so a valid fstab entry using fstype ntfs would be good
[17:17] <Dr_willis> If in the APple comercials - MS guy is a Business-nerd, and the apple-guy is a cool 'kid' - the Linux GUy is the Redneck whos not afraid to try anything! :)
[17:18] <flaccid> not sure if tux is a redneck
[17:18] <Dr_willis> "want me to read a dozen differnet filesystmes! Sure i can do that!"
[17:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:18] <Dr_willis> i ran out of sterotypes to use in the analogy. :)
[17:18] <flaccid> lol
[17:19] <Dr_willis> "here watch this!" <--- famous redneck last words
[17:19] <Dr_willis> "You CANT do that" <-- MS words..  "You DONT need to do that" --> Apple :)
[17:19] <Dr_willis> "I can sure as &#&^@ try!" <-- Linux
[17:20]  * Dr_willis gets off the soapbox. and back to work
[17:20] <spykedtomato> ok - plugged in the harddrive
[17:20] <spykedtomato> "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[17:21] <flaccid> any explosions
[17:21] <flaccid> spykedtomato: yeah set up a valid entry in fstab with the user option
[17:21] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  create a proper entry in the fstab for that device..  is the easy way to fix that..  use 'fdisk -l' to see what drive/device it is.
[17:21] <flaccid> i wish they would fix user mount heh
[17:22] <spykedtomato> umm
[17:22] <spykedtomato> walk me through the fstab?
[17:22] <flaccid> what is the /dev/sd? or whatever
[17:22] <spykedtomato> nano /etc/fstab?
[17:22] <spykedtomato> dev/sdb1
[17:22] <spykedtomato> HPFS/NTFS
[17:23] <flaccid> spykedtomato:  perhaps: /dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1   ntfs    user,rw,noauto    0       0
[17:23] <Dr_willis> or for ntfs-3g
[17:23] <Dr_willis>  /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[17:23] <flaccid> i got a feeling that ntfs does ntfs-3g in gutsy as it seems to write well, but i could be wrong
[17:24] <Dr_willis> ive not had any issues with ntfs-3g
[17:24] <Dr_willis> Lately however.. ive been having some BIG issues with my removeable usb drives and Ext3. :(
[17:24] <Dr_willis> I think all my hds are getting old.
[17:24] <flaccid> yeah i just replaced my with a 1TB NAS
[17:26] <flaccid> spykedtomato: this would allow the user to mount from Dr_willis:  /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g user,defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[17:26] <flaccid> can't remember if its user or not
[17:26] <flaccid> for defaults, can you remember Dr_willis
[17:26] <flaccid> i know defaults is write now
[17:27] <sigma_123> u guys r so lucky. hdds are so cheap in your countries
[17:27] <flaccid> which countries are those?
[17:27] <spykedtomato> yeah - i wanna know lol
[17:27] <Dr_willis> I forget. :)
[17:28] <Dr_willis> 500gb for $100 on sale here.
[17:28] <spykedtomato> flaccid: how do i reload fstab? or should i just unplug my drive and plug it in again?
[17:28] <Dr_willis> got a 300gb for $40 over the weekend.
[17:28] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  DONT unplug/plug in.. :)
[17:28] <spykedtomato> hmmm
[17:28] <Dr_willis> the fstab does not handle the auto-mounting of the drives. thats a different system.
[17:28] <spykedtomato> oh
[17:28] <flaccid> spykedtomato: make sure its not mounted if for some reason it was then sudo mount -a
[17:29] <spykedtomato> it's not mounted, according to the icon ;)
[17:29] <Dr_willis> to mount the disk now.  you need to make sure /media/sdb1 exists 'sudo mkdir /media/sdb1' then use the command 'sudo mount /media/sdb1'
[17:29] <Dr_willis> &*@&&!@ the icons. :) use the mount command in the shell to see if its mounted
[17:29] <flaccid> actually, my bad
[17:29] <flaccid> spykedtomato: the right thing to do is make the dir as per Dr_willis the user mount by: mount /media/sdb1
[17:29] <flaccid> the=then
[17:29] <spykedtomato> hmmm
[17:30] <spykedtomato> checking something - it looks like it MAY have worked...
[17:30] <flaccid> check that your user has write perms spykedtomato..
[17:30] <Dr_willis> This is Linux. the Rough and Redneck OS! :)
[17:30] <Dr_willis> with a heart of gold.. :) and a soft flannel shirt that just feels soo good.
[17:30]  * flaccid redraws tux as a redneck
[17:31] <spykedtomato> i have write permissions
[17:31] <spykedtomato> but
[17:31] <spykedtomato> it mounted in the wrong place
[17:31] <spykedtomato> it mounted in my ipod folder
[17:31] <flaccid> what is your ipod folder
[17:31] <spykedtomato> wait
[17:31] <Dr_willis> it mounted to /media/sdb1 - :) You could of changed the name.. BUT the issue can be with removeable media. that they often appear at different places.
[17:31] <spykedtomato> now i'm VERY confused
[17:32] <Dr_willis> You just bypassed the auto-mounting feature. with the fstab
[17:32] <spykedtomato> when i right-click the icon and look at properties it says it's mounted in /media/IPOD
[17:32] <Dr_willis> You proberly should of mounted it to /media/winstorage
[17:32] <spykedtomato> but when i look at the dir it's mounted in /media/sdb1
[17:32] <Dr_willis> &*@&&!@ the icons. :) use the mount command in the shell to see where its mounted.
[17:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:32] <flaccid> um maybe it correctly mounted via hal then. pastebin output of mount
[17:32] <spykedtomato> hehe
[17:32] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  yep - possible.
[17:33] <sigma_123> dr willis: i paid about $100 for a 250gb sata drive about a week ago here in south africa. we just get ripped off :(
[17:33] <Dr_willis> it can be mounted twice.
[17:33] <spykedtomato> Dr_willis: what's the commandline to see where what is mounted and how big the drives are?
[17:33] <Dr_willis> spykedtomato,  'mount' to see where its mounted.. :) logical eh?
[17:33] <flaccid> spykedtomato: df -h
[17:34] <flaccid> ir df -h | grep sdb1
[17:34] <Dr_willis> my Fave ShowDisks alias =>  df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[17:34] <Dr_willis> alias ShowDisks='df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs'
[17:34] <Dr_willis> then use ShowDisks :)
[17:34] <Jeroi> hmm
[17:34] <spykedtomato> results of 'mount' command: http://pastebin.com/m5ede9c34
[17:34] <Jeroi> I have symbolic links now in my home dir, which goes into my /media/harddisks
[17:35] <Jeroi> created 5 symbolic links
[17:35] <flaccid> spykedtomato: looks ok. ls -l /media/sdb1
[17:35] <Dr_willis> I got so many confused Hd's and drives and layouts... :)
[17:35] <Jeroi> Can it tho mount my harddrives twice for my home dir also?
[17:35] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  yep proberly can.. but it may be best to keep with the links
[17:36] <spykedtomato> ok - gonna check to see if i can write to the drive now
[17:37] <spykedtomato> got-em
[17:37] <spykedtomato> <-- happy camper
[17:37] <flaccid> cool
[17:38] <spykedtomato> but... now comes the hard part
[17:38] <spykedtomato> the REALLY hard part
[17:38] <spykedtomato> finding stuff to fill it with :)
[17:38] <flaccid> oh dang
[17:40] <flaccid> im offf cia0s
[17:41] <mahasamoot> I'd like to try connecting to MSN with a webcam for testing, but I don't know anyboby on MSN
[17:42] <mahasamoot> does anybody here have a working MSN account / with video?
[17:42] <mahasamoot> I'd also be interested in connecting to a yahoo acount
[17:42] <Schuenemann> I guess I do
[17:42] <Schuenemann> why do you want MSN if you have no one knows there? :p
[17:42] <Schuenemann> known*
[17:42] <mahasamoot> it's for my wife
[17:43] <Schuenemann> oh well
[17:43] <mahasamoot> otherwise, I'd avoid it like bird flu
[17:43] <Schuenemann> amsn?
[17:44] <mahasamoot> yes
[17:44] <mahasamoot> or kopete
[17:46] <jhutchins> I've got yahoo and aim, don't think I've ever registered with msn.
[17:49] <kontoo> hello! can somebody tell me where i can find the subversion repo for kubuntu packages / patches?
[17:51] <emilsedgh> kontoo: they are not in svn
[17:51] <emilsedgh> kontoo: kubuntu uses bzr
[17:52] <jpatrick> kontoo: http://patches.ubuntu.com/ - where our patches are
[17:57] <kontoo> thanks emilsedgh, jpatrick. i'll take a look there
[17:57] <marco> salve
[17:57] <marco> hallo
[17:58] <AddyK-L32> Salve? (O_O) I are not alone?
[17:58] <AddyK-L32> Happy new year everybody... :) Have a fun filled year, with many successes :)
[18:00] <emilsedgh> Jucato, BluesKaj: Happy New Year guys, best wishes for you
[18:02] <verve> any news on libgpod3 0.6.0 into gutsy-backports?
[18:04] <tomatopaste> verve: what's libgpod3 used for?
[18:04] <tomatopaste> i've only run across a need for libgpod2 (gtkpod...)
[18:04] <verve> the new iPod nano 3G
[18:04] <verve> and iPod touch
[18:04] <verve> so Amarok works with 'em
[18:04] <tomatopaste> aah
[18:04] <tomatopaste> got it
[18:04] <tomatopaste> <--- ipod classic
[18:04] <verve> i got my first one ever on boxing day
[18:04] <verve> it was on sale
[18:04] <verve> heh
[18:05] <tomatopaste> :)
[18:05] <verve> 8gb for $159
[18:05] <tomatopaste> 160 gb here :p
[18:05] <mrdigital> verve: touch?
[18:05] <jpatrick> verve: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gutsy-backports/+bug/178926
[18:05] <verve> mrdigital: nah, Nano
[18:05] <mrdigital> oh
[18:05] <verve> a touch for $159
[18:05] <verve> lulz
[18:05] <mrdigital> tomatopaste: 200gigs here
[18:05] <verve> you're funny
[18:06] <verve> i wish it was a touch :P
[18:06] <mrdigital> touch is $320
[18:06] <tomatopaste> mrdigital: on an ipod?
[18:06] <mrdigital> no i built my own
[18:06] <mrdigital> im a geek
[18:06] <tomatopaste> wow
[18:06] <ScottG> help! I need the CLI command to change my /home folder back.. I copied it to another HD and it won't boot
[18:07] <mrdigital> it runs kbuntu with a small touchscreen and a 200gg laptop hdd
[18:07] <verve> mrdigital: nice, how big is it?
[18:07] <ScottG> it's still in the original spot too.. I just changed the users folders to the other HD..
[18:08] <verve> hm
[18:08] <verve> jpatrick: so just install that deb?
[18:09] <verve> i thought Amarok had to be recompiled against 0.6
[18:09] <jpatrick> verve: no idea, you wanted updates ;) that's where you'll get them
[18:09] <jpatrick> verve: you'll have to recompile amarok tho
[18:09] <tomatopaste> verve: i had to install 0.6 for my classic
[18:09] <tomatopaste> i installed it, then uninstalled amarok, reinstalled amarok
[18:09] <tomatopaste> apt-get was fine for me
[18:10] <tomatopaste> amarok saw the newer version of the lib and left it alone
[18:11] <verve> how do you recompile apps in ubuntu without screwing up the packaging system?
[18:11] <verve> i'm well aware of how to compile apps, just not how to do it with packaging
[18:12] <verve> at least not in ubuntu
[18:12] <verve> used to do that in freebsd
[18:12] <verve> heh
[18:12] <blekos> hello, happy new year!!! could you suggest any download manager e.g flashget for linux?
[18:12] <fortytwoandrisin> kget
[18:13] <jpatrick> verve: apt-get source amarok; apt-get build-dep amarok
[18:13] <verve> oh, nice
[18:13] <jpatrick> verve: and dpkg-buildpackage from the amarok dir
[18:14] <fortytwoandrisin> Happy New Year everyone...
[18:14] <sub[t]rnl> greetings all
[18:15] <verve> jpatrick: where's the source go?
[18:16] <jpatrick> verve: current dir
[18:16] <verve> oh
[18:16] <verve> k
[18:19] <ScottG> is there a CLI way of changing where /home is pointed to?
[18:20] <trakinas> hi all
[18:20] <trakinas> has anyone here ever used qdvdauthor?
[18:21] <Hirvinen> ScottG: mount
[18:22] <trakinas> i just cant see the thumbnails options
[18:23] <trakinas> nm... i thought i've had generated the chapters. lol
[18:24] <jhutchins> ScottG: What are you trying to accomplish?
[18:26] <jhutchins> ScottG: This is an interactive forum, if you don't respond we can't help you.
[18:26] <ScottG> well.. I could say the same :)
[18:26] <ScottG> I'm trying to fix something..
[18:26] <Dr_willis> ScottG,  given the HUGE details youve given.. :)
[18:27] <ScottG> I did give more but was ignored :P
[18:27] <Dr_willis> "yes, there is a CLI way of changing where /home is pointed to"
[18:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:27] <jhutchins> ScottG: No, you weren't ignored, it's just that we're doing other things, reading other channels, etc.
[18:27] <ScottG> help! I need the CLI command to change my /home folder back.. I copied it to another HD and it won't boot
[18:27] <ScottG> it's still in the original spot too.. I just changed the users folders to the other HD..
[18:27] <jhutchins> ScottG: We're mostly just fellow users.
[18:27] <Dr_willis> if its mounted to its own partition, edit the fstab. to moun tit at the right drive
[18:27] <giuseppe_> hi... do u know why, when I run azureus it closes itself?
[18:27] <jhutchins> ScottG: what did you do to change it in the first place/
[18:27] <jhutchins> ?
[18:27] <giuseppe_> I asked in azureus channel, but no answer
[18:27] <Dr_willis> Or use soft links 'ln -s' to point /home to the proper directory
[18:28] <jhutchins> giuseppe_: You can often learn what the problem is by launching it from a console window and looking at the errors.
[18:28] <ScottG> I originally had /home in the same partition as / and I copied (not move thankfully) the contents to another HD /media/hda1
[18:28] <jhutchins> giuseppe_: Probably something to do with java.
[18:28] <jhutchins> ScottG: Ok.  Then what?
[18:28] <giuseppe_> jhutchins: yess, in fact. Now I paste what happens
[18:28] <ScottG> I cannot login
[18:29] <jhutchins> giuseppe_: pastebin!
[18:29] <ScottG> the paths are correct in /etc/passwd
[18:29] <jhutchins> ScottG: How could copying the files cause you to be unable to log in?
[18:29] <jhutchins> ScottG: Did you do something that changed the permissions on the original folder?
[18:29] <ScottG> I changed the paths in the user setup to point to the other HD (for more space)
[18:29] <jhutchins> ScottG: what user setup?
[18:29] <trakinas> giuseppe_: i sort of prefer Deluge over Azureus
[18:30] <giuseppe_> deluge is like azureus?
[18:30]  * Dr_willis wonders that also.. what user startup...
[18:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:30] <ScottG> I'm on the laptop right now (Mandriva) so I can't trace my steps exactly but it was under System
[18:30] <ScottG> Users and Groups I believe
[18:30] <Dr_willis> its possible you set the users default home directory. i guess
[18:31] <ScottG> yes
[18:31] <trakinas> giuseppe_: smaller, eats less memory and works like a charm here. has a lot of useful plugins. have a look: deluge-torrent.org/
[18:31] <jhutchins> ScottG: So theoretically your user info is in both places.
[18:31] <giuseppe_> trakinas: ohh, good...
[18:31] <ScottG> at the moment, yes..
[18:31] <Dr_willis> In /etc/passwd each user has their initial home - defined.
[18:32] <Dr_willis> example -> willis:x:1000:1000:willis,,,:/home/willis:/bin/bash
[18:32] <jhutchins> ScottG: How are you accessing the system now?
[18:32] <giuseppe_> trakinas: so now install it. but I have to say I before try with amule and I had big problems. It doesn't connect
[18:32] <ScottG> yes and it's pointing to the new location
[18:32] <giuseppe_> trakinas: now azuresu, grrrrr....
[18:32] <ScottG> I can't.. I'm on the laptop
[18:32] <Dr_willis> be sure the new location has the right permissions I guess. for a start.
[18:32] <trakinas> giuseppe_: first, check it on the kubuntu reps
[18:32] <Dr_willis> and owned by the user
[18:32] <jhutchins> ScottG: Ok, can you boot to rescue mode?  Where does it stop?  You say you can't log in, what _does_ happen?
[18:33] <ScottG> it just kicks me back to a login.. in console mode it says..
[18:34] <giuseppe_> trakinas: please, see @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50408/
[18:34] <ScottG> "chmod: changing permissions of '/media/hda1/home/scott/.xsession-errors': Operation not permitted
[18:34] <Dr_willis> You got the wrong permissions on the files in your home dir.
[18:35] <Dr_willis> or wrong ownership it seems
[18:35] <trakinas> giuseppe_: how did you installed it?
[18:35] <giuseppe_> trakinas: using adept manager
[18:36] <ScottG> I tried doing sudo chown scott /media/hda1/home/scott
[18:36] <jhutchins> ScottG: And?
[18:36] <trakinas> giuseppe_: strange! what about java?
[18:36] <ScottG> it seems to succeed but still cant login
[18:36] <jhutchins> ScottG: How did you try to run chown if you couldn't log in?
[18:36] <giuseppe_> trakinas: what do u mean?
[18:36] <Dr_willis> ScottG,   the permissions IN the dir need to be set also.
[18:37] <ScottG> I can login in Console Login but not X
[18:37] <jhutchins> you can just delete .xsessions-errors thoguh.
[18:37] <Dr_willis> ScottG,  sudo chown -R username.username /media/hda1/home/username
[18:37] <ScottG> how do I set it IN the dir?
[18:37] <ScottG> ok
[18:37] <Dr_willis> with the -R option. :)
[18:37] <trakinas> giuseppe_: did you use adpt to install the jvm?
[18:37] <Dr_willis> note the user.user  thing also.
[18:37] <jhutchins> ScottG: Yeah, you should use user:user or user.user - sets the group as well.
[18:38] <Dr_willis> ls -l .xsession-errors
[18:38] <Dr_willis> -rw------- 1 willis willis 4286 2008-01-01 12:36 .xsession-errors
[18:38] <Dr_willis> Hmm. :)
[18:38] <ScottG> ok.. it's taking a while but it's got a lot to set permissions on..
[18:39] <giuseppe_> trakinas: well, I never installed java virtual machine
[18:39] <SpeS> hi, I'm having problems with Kubuntu 7.10 and rt61pci wireless driver... what's the best solution?? ndiswrapper perhaps??
[18:39] <Dr_willis> its setting the 'ownership' not permissions.. :) thats another command.
[18:39] <jhutchins> ScottG: the other thing you may want to do once you get it working is to change the mount point from /media/hda1 to /home.  You'd want to move the subfolders of home to the root of hda1.
[18:39] <jhutchins> ScottG: Also change the corresponding settings in kde.
[18:39] <trakinas> giuseppe_: so, how do you run Java sofatwares?
[18:39] <giuseppe_> trakinas: probsùably it was installed during kubuntu 7.10 installation. Can it be?
[18:39] <Duron_m09> n=hi
[18:39] <ScottG> jhutchins: I did that already
[18:40] <trakinas> I dont recall it being installed during system install. try looking for JRE on adept
[18:40] <ScottG> I'm just not sure how to specify /home when it's not its own patrition
[18:40] <trakinas> (Java runtime Envirioment)
[18:40] <jhutchins> ScottG: When you do a big copy like that, rsync is more efficient and allows preservation of ownership and permissions.
[18:40] <ScottG> learning more and more everyday :)
[18:40] <ardchoille> !info sun-java6-jre
[18:41] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-03-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 6179 kB, installed size 14168 kB
[18:41] <jhutchins> ScottG: If you were to mount that as home, your home would be /home/home/scott
[18:41] <giuseppe_> trakinas: java6 jre is installed
[18:41] <trakinas> hmmm
[18:41] <jhutchins> trakinas: azureus probably installed it as a dependency.
[18:42] <ScottG> hmm...
[18:42] <jhutchins> trakinas: This could actually be a dependency bug.
[18:42] <giuseppe_> trakinas: well, it can be, or I installed it like dependency when I installed other program
[18:42] <ScottG> seems to be okay now..
[18:42] <trakinas> the error is here, i guess: libglibjni-0.4
[18:42] <trakinas> jhutchins: have a look - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50408/
[18:43] <jhutchins> trakinas: Yeah, I'd look in hs_err_pid5569.log and see what the actual error was.
[18:43] <giuseppe_> trakinas: but sorry have u ever used amule?
[18:43] <BenPA> hi all ... Happy New Year ... can someone tell me how to configure root mail in my email client on kubuntu
[18:44] <Blueskaj> root mail ?
[18:44] <jhutchins> ScottG: mv /media/hda1/home/scott /media/hda1/, then try mounting it as /home.
[18:45] <trakinas> giuseppe_: yes, but i dont use ed2k anymore
[18:45] <jhutchins> ScottG: You can mount a filesystem on top of an existing filesystem, and you'll only see the new filesystem, the old one will be preserved until you unmount.
[18:45] <BenPA> Blieskaj:  yes messages from /var/mail
[18:45] <GeirrS> Hi everyone. Anyone familiar with WLAN configuraions? When I copy large files over my WLAN to the server with a WLAN-adapter, the connections "dies". This is Kubuntu 7.04, with kernel 2.6.20-16-generic.
[18:45] <ScottG> but /home/scott is already in /media/hda1
[18:45] <GeirrS> When this happens, I have to do a /etc/init.d/networking/restart to get it running again.
[18:45] <jhutchins> ScottG: right, if you mount /dev/hda1 as /home, you'll have /home/home/scott
[18:46] <jhutchins> It's possible to mount /dev/hda1/home as /home, but takes some trickery.
[18:46] <jhutchins> ScottG: See the manpage for the mount command for details.
[18:47] <giuseppe_> trakinas: well, I see. But another question. Do u know how I can check if a firewall is active???
[18:47] <trakinas> giuseppe_: why? you are getting lowID?
[18:47] <trakinas> *are you
[18:47] <Dr_willis> iptables --list   (i think) will show any rules. :)
[18:47] <Dr_willis> !firewall
[18:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[18:48] <giuseppe_> no no... the problem is that I'm not able to connect. So I believed it's due to a firewall
[18:48] <Dr_willis> giuseppe_,  -->  sudo iptables --list
[18:48] <Dr_willis> if that shows any rules.. thenyou gto some firewalling rules set up
[18:48] <Dr_willis> if tey are blank - then you have none.
[18:48] <BenPA> Blueskaj:  yes messages from /var/mail/(user) or root
[18:50] <giuseppe_> Dr_willis: please have a look: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50409/
[18:50] <trakinas> giuseppe_: dont know. i have to port-forward things jere, but never needed to configure any firewal
[18:50] <trakinas> *wall
[18:50] <ardchoille> BenPA: Is this system mail that is being sent to your user?
[18:51] <giuseppe_> trakinas: well, I see thanks
[18:51] <GeirrS> BenPA: In /etc/aliases, see if you can find a line which starts with root: , and insert your own username their, so the line reads "root: <your username>" without quotes.
[18:51] <BenPA> Blueskaj:  the system mail is not going anywhere right now ... I have gkrellm and it says there are 15 messages
[18:51] <GeirrS> Then run "sudo postmap aliases" from /etc
[18:52] <Dr_willis> giuseppe_,  you got no rules set. :)
[18:52] <BenPA> GeirrS: it is already there
[18:52] <Dr_willis> giuseppe_,  thus you have no firewalling enabled
[18:52] <ardchoille> BenPA: And you want to set up kmail to pull in system mail for your user?
[18:52] <Blueskaj> BenPA, ok, gotcha, i'm using kmail and it needs user permissions
[18:52] <BenPA> ardchoille: I use Opera
[18:53] <GeirrS> Sorry, not postmap, but postalias. This is is valid if you are using postfix for your MTA of course.
[18:53] <downix> I'd use Opera but it doesn't run on 64-bit systems
[18:54] <GeirrS> BenPA: Did you run postalias (or the equivalent for your MTA)?
[18:54] <ardchoille> BenPA: Ok, what I did in kmail was simply set up a new account with: File location = /var/mail/username
[18:55] <Blueskaj> downix, opera will run on 64bit but with reduced options , there are clunky workarounds for media plugins etc resulting in clunky operation
[18:55] <GeirrS> BenPA: NB: This will automatically forward all mail for root to your account, without leaving a copy in the root mail spool file.
[18:55] <BenPA> GeirrS: what is the command ?  you are confusing me
[18:56] <GeirrS> Sorry....do you now what MTA you are using? Is it postfix, sendmail or something else?
[18:56]  * Blueskaj watches intials /acronyms for apps and functions go right over his head :(
[18:57] <ardchoille> MTA = Mail Transit Authority
[18:57] <ardchoille> sorry, Agent
[18:57] <Blueskaj> sounds like a linux 70s rockband :)
[18:57] <GeirrS> Isn't it Mail Transfer Agent???? Can't remember right now....
[18:57] <ardchoille> GeirrS: yes
[18:57] <BenPA> GeirrS: it says postalias is not a command
[18:58] <GeirrS> Gotta leave for a few minutes, it's past my two year old daughters bedtime.... brb
[18:58] <BenPA> GeirrS: ok
[18:58] <giuseppe_> trakinas: do u remember command line to see all jobs?
[18:59] <trakinas> giuseppe_: ps -A
[18:59] <Schuenemann> ps aux
[19:03] <trakinas> what happened with mandvd?
[19:03] <trakinas> i cannot list it on the kde=apps site
[19:12] <sigma_123> whats da point of having a mail server?
[19:12] <sigma_123> what diff does it make if each user downloads their own mail directly
[19:13] <GeirrS> I use it for hosting the mail (and other things) for my own personal domain...I have learned a lot doing that.
[19:13] <sigma_123> ?
[19:14] <GeirrS> BenPA: Did you find out which MTA you are using?
[19:15] <sigma_123> hmm ok. i know its viable when theres lots of client pc's but when there are a few i dont see a point
[19:15] <sigma_123> anyone use kolab here?
[19:15] <BenPA> GeirrS: I am not sure where to find that out or maybe you can ask that a different way
[19:16] <GeirrS> It's mainly on a hobby basis. It's set up as a MX for the domain...
[19:16] <GeirrS> Anyone here using WLAN on Kubuntu?
[19:16] <sigma_123> yup
[19:17] <GeirrS> What adapter do you have, built-in, PCI og USB?
[19:17] <sigma_123> if u hav probs connecting try kwifimanager
[19:18] <sigma_123> nt sure its a centrino laptop. internal card
[19:18] <GeirrS> That's not the problem....the network dies whenever I try to copy large files to the server over WLAN. Smaller files works OK. It may have something to do with a PCI SATA card I just installed, since the WLAN card also is a PCI-card.
[19:19] <camilla_> tv-out
[19:19] <camilla_> Nevermind please
[19:19] <sigma_123> no i had that problem as well with a netgear adapter. which driver r u using for wireless?
[19:20] <GeirrS> I think I used the latest driver from Linksys, from which I extracted the necessary firmware.
[19:21] <GeirrS> So I am not using ndiswrapper....
[19:21] <server_> emm..hello
[19:21] <GeirrS> Hello, server_
[19:22] <sigma_123> i found with the netgear adapter that using ndiswrapper was the only thing that worked
[19:22] <server_> can u help me in installing compiz-fusion
[19:22] <server_> http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/how-to-install-compiz-fusion
[19:22] <sigma_123> try it an see if it works
[19:23] <sigma_123> info !compiz
[19:23] <GeirrS> Can I use ndiswrapper without using knetworkmanager in X? I seldom log on directly on the server, only via SSH, so X is not running.
[19:23] <ardchoille> !compiz | server_
[19:23] <ubotu> server_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:23] <sigma_123> !compiz
[19:26] <server_> emm..i got this error
[19:26] <server_> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[19:26] <server_> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[19:26] <server_> when paste source.list in kwrite
[19:27] <ardchoille> server_: If you're using kwrite, you need to start it with: kdesu kwrite  (but be careful with it as that is a root instance of kwrite)
[19:28] <BenPA> GeirrS: were you asking if sendmail was installed
[19:28] <jhutchins> !sudo | server_
[19:28] <ubotu> server_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[19:29] <jhutchins> !kdesu | server_
[19:29] <ubotu> server_: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[19:29] <server_> but in kubuntu 7.10 there is no kdesu
[19:30] <jhutchins> server_: kdesudo
[19:30] <downix> is there any way to get Opera working with Kubuntu 64-bit?
[19:30] <Blueskaj> server_, I use it all the time , still works
[19:30] <ardchoille> server_: There is: /usr/bin/kdesu: symbolic link to `kdesudo'
[19:31] <jhutchins> downix: http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc
[19:32] <server_> it said no command arguments supplied
[19:32] <server_> Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command>
[19:32] <server_> kdesu will noe exit
[19:32] <server_> kdesu will now exit
[19:33] <Daisuke-Ido> you can't run it by itself.
[19:34] <server_> so am i ganna do it by sudo?
[19:34] <Daisuke-Ido> the "no command arguments specified" probably means you should specify some command arguments
[19:34] <Daisuke-Ido> no
[19:34] <Daisuke-Ido> sudo won't run by itself either
[19:34] <Daisuke-Ido> use kdesu kwrite
[19:34] <Daisuke-Ido> as someone already told you
[19:37] <server_> there is only kdesu, kdesud, kdesu.distrrib, kdesudo, kdesu_stub, kdialog, kdm etc
[19:37] <SpeS> hi, anyone with rt61pci drivers?
[19:37] <server_> i am at root>usr>bin
[19:40] <The_ManU_212> hi
[19:41] <The_ManU_212> hi
[19:41] <server_> hi
[19:42] <GrahamA> Ok... help me here... my dad seems to of gone crazy, denounced our server and replaced it with a NAS box... while there's nothing I can do about that, the box runs an SMB server which in windows is accesable read/write with no username or password... how could I mount it and do I need to use smbfs or cifs ?
[19:42] <jussi01> !hi | The_ManU_212
[19:42] <ubotu> The_ManU_212: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:42] <The_ManU_212> in which way is a blackout dangerous for my pc
[19:42] <The_ManU_212> or even my linux system
[19:42] <The_ManU_212> ?
[19:43] <sub[t]rnl> it doesn't umount your filesystems
[19:43] <sub[t]rnl> that can cause some trouble, fsck will clean it up though
[19:44] <kye> where do i go to install pygobject-2.0
[19:45] <The_ManU_212> sub[t]rnl: i bootet after the blackout my stem normally without fsck, i know kubuntu runs fsck after 30 mounts, did i something wrong
[19:45] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder,
[19:45] <server_> em.. i have a question
[19:45] <server_> how to run kdesu kwrite?
[19:45] <Blueskaj> www.opera.com
[19:46] <sub[t]rnl> The_ManU_212➜ are you having any problems? or is everything running fine
[19:46] <yao_ziyuan> whether kubuntu-kde4-rc2.iso includes a Install Kubuntu option on the Desktop?
[19:46] <jussi01> server_: go to kmenu -System -> konsole and type it there
[19:46] <yao_ziyuan> i mean this page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[19:47] <The_ManU_212> sub[t]rnl: it seems to bee fine, but how can i check this?
[19:47] <server_> bash: run: command not found
[19:47] <The_ManU_212> shall i wait what says fsck when the 30 mounts are finished till it checks?
[19:47] <jussi01> server_: exactly what did you type?
[19:48] <server_> run kdesu kwrite
[19:48] <jussi01> server_: no, just : kdesu kwrite
[19:48] <sub[t]rnl> The_ManU_212➜ if your not experiencing any problems, then its a safe bet that everything is ok, you can run fsck on your drives though at any time
[19:48] <server_> oh ok
[19:48] <server_> itry
[19:48] <jussi01> :)
[19:48] <sub[t]rnl> The_ManU_212➜ look at tune2fs as well, if you'd like to change the frequency of the forced fsck
[19:49] <server_> it said this
[19:49] <server_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-server" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[19:49] <server_> but it already open kwrite
[19:50] <jussi01> server_: that error is not an issue
[19:50] <The_ManU_212> sub[t]rnl: what could be a problem after a blackout? also i made some tiome ago standby waorking but after a kernel update it didt and i had to pull off the machine because it didt wake up as it should (black screen) is this also dangerous for a system?
[19:52] <sub[t]rnl> The_ManU_212➜ Not dangerous as it is inconvenient, Check launch pad for the kernel + video card trouble with resuming.
[19:52] <downix> jhutchins: still spits out the error of  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[19:53] <server_> em.. it said "0% [connecting to my.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[19:53] <The_ManU_212> sub[t]rnl: whre is launch pad?
[19:53] <server_> and connection timed out
[19:54] <downix> I guess I'll just --force-architecture
[19:54] <Jeroi> downix best luck! If program dont have deb packets for amd64 then you have to compile it from source to amd64
[19:54] <server_> Err http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security Release.gpg
[19:54] <sub[t]rnl> !launchpad
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[19:54] <jhutchins> GrahamA: cifs is the newer standard, but largely undocumented.  Try samba first.
[19:54] <downix> Jeroi: closed-source browser
[19:54] <jhutchins> or just try browsing to it using smb:// or smb4k
[19:54] <downix> Jeroi: Opera
[19:54] <Jeroi> :)
[19:55] <sub[t]rnl> !bugs | The_ManU_212
[19:55] <ubotu> The_ManU_212: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[19:55] <jhutchins> !info opera
[19:55] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in gutsy
[19:55] <server_> emmmm..why i cannot update?
[19:55] <downix> Worst case can run the Windows version in Wine I suppose
[19:56] <jim__> who is trying to run opera
[19:56] <The_ManU_212> sub[t]rnl: ok thx, you said fsck repairs errors after this missed unmounts after a blackout is fsck repairing it with the next boot or when its started?
[19:56] <jhutchins> jim__: downix
[19:56] <jhutchins> jim__: He's having trouble getting the 64b version.
[19:56] <jim__> you can get it from cnr also if you want to deal with that
[19:57] <jim__> thats what i did
[19:57] <jussi01> server_: try again
[19:57] <jhutchins> The_ManU_212: fsck doesn't work well on mounted partitions, so it's best to have it run at boot.
[19:57] <jim__> oh 64 bit
[19:57] <sub[t]rnl> The_ManU_212➜ if everything booted fine, you are ok.  If you want to run fsck on your next boot, do sudo touch /forcefsck
[19:57] <jim__> i know nothing about that
[19:57] <sub[t]rnl> then reboot
[19:57] <Jeroi> Can I change koepete to open as root?
[19:57] <jhutchins> The_ManU_212: If it doesn't autodetect and run, do sudo shutdown -F -r now in a console.
[19:58] <jhutchins> Jeroi: Why would you want to do that?
[19:58] <Jeroi> when I reboot, kopete dont log in to networks alone, if I am gone
[19:58] <server_> jussi01> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:58] <Jeroi> it askes kde wallet password
[19:58] <server_> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[19:58] <jussi01> server_: is adept open?
[19:58] <server_> no
[19:58] <jussi01> !adeptfix
[19:58] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:58] <jussi01> server_: do that fix then
[19:58] <The_ManU_212> sub[t]rnl: (k)ubuntu uses splashes, i booted with splash or would it be better to boot without splash and without quiet to look for some errors or are this errors so bad that it wouldnt boot if terhe are errors?
[19:59] <The_ManU_212> thx jhutchins
[19:59] <jhutchins> Jeroi: I don't recall that I ever fixed that on my kubuntu box.  I've switched to pidgin now, so I'm not sure what the option would be.  I really dislike kubuntu's forcing of kwallet.
[20:00]  * jhutchins remembers another reason he doesn't run kubuntu on his production system.
[20:00] <Jeroi> whats is it, I mean the kwallet?
[20:00] <velh0> hello. I would like to talk in private to a moderator of the #kubuntu
[20:00] <jussi01> Jeroi: just set the kwallet password to nothing...
[20:00] <server_> udo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:00] <server_> nothing happened
[20:00] <jussi01> velh0: please join #ubuntu-ops
[20:00] <jhutchins> velh0: Isn't one at the moment.
[20:01] <server_> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:01] <server_> nothing happen
[20:01] <downix> Ok, should I laugh that I can get Opera for my SPARC but not for my AMD64???
[20:01] <velh0> is there official support to kubuntu in portuguese?
[20:01] <jussi01> server_: you did that in konsole?
[20:01] <jhutchins> velh0: Feel free to /msg with your problem and I'll try to point you to the right person.
[20:01] <server_> yup
[20:01] <jussi01> !pt | velh0
[20:01] <ubotu> velh0: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[20:01] <jhutchins> velh0: Oh, yes, some.
[20:02] <server_> yes
[20:02] <velh0> ubotu: i now. im looking for Kubuntu
[20:02] <jhutchins> join kubuntu-br
[20:02] <Jeroi> kubunut-pt?
[20:02] <downix> Hmm
[20:03] <downix> It's possible to run an X-app on a remote machine, is it not?
[20:03] <jhutchins> sorry, I was trying and the k series doesn't seem to be there.
[20:03] <jhutchins> downix: Yes, usually referred to as X forwarding.
[20:03] <server_> why i Unable to lock the list directory
[20:04] <downix> jhutchins: Ok, going to look it up then.  I prefer running on my SPARC, but need AMD64 for one game I run, so I was thinking do the SPARC for most of my work, and just forward the game display to it, saving on the two monitors I'm running right now
[20:05] <server_> err somebody
[20:05] <server_> why am i Unable to lock the list directory
[20:05] <jussi01> server_:what does that command I gave you give?
[20:06] <jussi01> anything?
[20:06] <server_> Unable to lock the list directory
[20:06] <server_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:06] <jussi01> no, the adeptfix one
[20:07] <server_> adeptfix?
[20:07] <jussi01> !adeptfix | server_
[20:07] <ubotu> server_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:08] <server_> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:08] <server_> << nothing
[20:09] <anakin_> Something's terribly wrong with my Xorg.conf file. i've used Xorg -configure to generate a fresh file . so i copy it and when i try to use it xorg keeps crashing and restarting.
[20:09] <anakin_> after the sixth time it tells me the obvious: something very bad is happening :\
[20:10] <jussi01> anakin_: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[20:10] <jussi01> server_: now try updating again
[20:11] <server_> jussi01> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:11] <server_> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[20:12] <anakin_> woo hoo jussi01 - worked :D
[20:12] <anakin_> ah, so this -phigh is the key
[20:12] <jussi01> anakin_: great :)
[20:12] <sub[t]rnl> server_➜ make sure that adept isn't already running
[20:13] <server_> yes..no adept running
[20:14] <jussi01> server_: do you have any other applications working, add remove, synaptic etc?
[20:15] <server_> nope
[20:15] <server_> only konsole and konqueror
[20:15] <server_> and konversation
[20:17] <sub[t]rnl> weird
[20:18] <server_> yes...i already install this kubuntu 7.10 5 times
[20:18] <BluesKaj> server_, just for curiosity's sake run this : sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:18] <server_> nothing happen
[20:19] <server_> just another line of "server@server-desktop:~$"
[20:19] <BluesKaj> server_, now try to install whatever it is you were trying to do previously
[20:19] <sub[t]rnl> wait, are you doing "sudo apt-get update"
[20:19] <sub[t]rnl> or just apt-get update
[20:20] <server_> sudo apt-get update
[20:20] <server_> jessi01> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[20:21] <sub[t]rnl> seems to be working then
[20:21] <server_> is that done?
[20:21] <server_> am i update?
[20:22] <server_> http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/how-to-install-compiz-fusion
[20:22] <john__> can i run ubuntu and kubuntu on the same machine
[20:22] <server_> i want install this for my kubuntu 7.10
[20:23] <sub[t]rnl> john__➜ yes, as in gnome / kde on the same machine
[20:23] <john__> yes
[20:23]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[20:24] <john__> so if i already have ubuntu (gnome) installed and then install kubuntu (kde), all will work ok
[20:24] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[20:25] <biovore> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:25] <john__> great i will try it
[20:25] <biovore> if your running gnome
[20:25] <biovore> then you can select which to use at the login manager under sessions
[20:26] <john__> thanks, that is helpful
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz | server_
[20:26] <ubotu> server_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:26] <biovore> gnome apps run under kde and vise-versa
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> use the directions there
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> instead
[20:26] <john__> what are the advantages of kde over gnome
[20:27] <server_> am i have to anstall compiz?
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> no you don't have to
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> john__➜ personal preference i suppose.  I feel kde gives a little more tailoring options, and has a great development team
[20:29] <sub[t]rnl> qt for me :p
[20:29] <server_> E: Couldn't find package compiz-kde
[20:29] <sub[t]rnl> server_➜ don't include that package then
[20:29] <Jeroi> Question: I have now amd64 3500+ prosessor, 939 with ddr mobo. I am buying AM2 amd phenom 4core prosessor with ddr2 memory. Does my Kubuntu still work after this update, or do I need to do something before I install the new hardware? GFX card remains the same aswell as hardsiks and DVD+-RW.
[20:30] <triplicate> I am running a SLAX live CD and I want to install a kubuntu ISO without burning it to a disk... is it possible to mount the ISO and install it from the live CD?
[20:30] <downix> Jeroi: should work
[20:30] <Jeroi> Dont I need new multible core kernel?
[20:30] <unix_infidel> triplicate: there should be some daemons that allow you to store it on a disk.
[20:30] <server_> so i cannot install compiz-fusion?
[20:30] <unix_infidel> Jeroi: also, try pxe booting.
[20:30] <downix> jeroi: yes, but you can use single-core kernels initially I believe
[20:31] <downix> yes, try pre-booting it
[20:31] <downix> good call
[20:31] <Jeroi> pre-booting?
[20:31] <biovore> Jeroi: the default amd64 kernel has support for up to 8 processors
[20:31] <server_> so i cannot install compiz-fusion for my Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy)
[20:31] <server_> ??
[20:32] <biovore> !compiz
[20:32] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:32] <Jeroi> but biovore does it support mutiple cores in one processors?
[20:32] <biovore> yes
[20:32] <GrahamA> !dolphin
[20:32] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[20:32] <biovore> has the multi-core scheular for up to 8 cores
[20:33] <biovore> after its installed run top and press '1' and see if you get 4 processors in the list..
[20:33] <biovore> then run a big parallel process and see if it uses all the procs
[20:34] <Jeroi> more for the qqueation is, that does the kernel support amd phenom 4 core prosessor properly, as it is the worlds first rwal 4 core prosessor?
[20:34] <Jeroi> real
[20:34] <downix> jeroi:  It's not the worlds first, just the first x86.
[20:34] <biovore> It should..
[20:35] <biovore> yeah.. sparc has had 16 cores for years
[20:35] <Jeroi> k
[20:35] <downix> biovore: *pets his UltraSPARC*
[20:35] <biovore> hehe
[20:35] <biovore> and its not the worlds first 64bit eather..
[20:35] <biovore> its probably the last one to get there..
[20:35] <downix> again *pets his UltraSPARC*
[20:35] <downix> hey, it beat ARM!
[20:36]  * biovore pets his alpha station
[20:36] <downix> that's about all it beat mind you
[20:36] <downix> I should get my Alpha running sometime
[20:36] <Jeroi> it is the first that have 4 cores that work alone without depending each other I guess
[20:36] <biovore> well arm will probably never be 64bit.. its design for embbeded applications.
[20:36] <downix> Jeroi: Nope, have a MIPS with that setup already.
[20:36] <biovore> yeah.. SGI octanes did that..
[20:37] <Jeroi> x86 system I mean
[20:37] <downix> biovore: quite true, which is calling it up short.  The ARM is more than capable of desktop work.
[20:37] <Novell> my alpha's PSU made fireworks :/
[20:37] <biovore> working together has to do more with the software and OS then hardware..
[20:37] <downix> biovore: Have two Octanes at work, love them.
[20:37] <jussi01> !ot
[20:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:37] <tazgodx> anyone know if its possible to convert DRM laced .wma's made with media center to MP3?
[20:37] <downix> biovore: debating keeping them as 3D farms or converting to web servers
[20:38] <biovore> Our lug has O2's we can't get linux to work on  :-(
[20:38] <Jeroi> Question2: Will ubutnu and kubuntu start to work more with 64bit edition as 32bit prosessors life is coming short in future?
[20:38] <jussi01> biovore: downix please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:38] <biovore> I am running kubuntu 64bit here
[20:39] <CheGuevara> Jeroi: whats not enough about current 64 bit ubuntu
[20:39] <Jeroi> memory leaks?
[20:39] <Jeroi> some libraries use a lot of memory
[20:39] <john__> after installing kubuntu along side ubuntu and decide later i like one better than the other, how difficult to uninstall the one i don't like
[20:39] <sub[t]rnl> john__➜ not too hard
[20:40] <Jeroi> actually that question should go for whole linux community
[20:40] <sub[t]rnl> !purekde
[20:40] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[20:40] <sub[t]rnl> example
[20:40] <combinio> how can i see winXP partition (ntfs) under linux? i've already installed ntfs-4g and ntfs-config but can't see that partition ?! :/
[20:40] <combinio> **ntfs-3g ;P
[20:40] <Jeroi> hmm dont kubuntu show ntfs out of the box?
[20:41] <Novell> combinio:  mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows (http://www.ntfs3g.org/index.html#usage)
[20:41] <Jeroi> atleast from feisty
[20:41] <combinio> Novell: will try that now...
[20:41] <downix> biovore: 64-bit here as well.
[20:42] <downix> biovore: other than the Opera issue, running well
[20:42] <combinio> Novell: "Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action" bla bla bla :/.
[20:43] <Novell> combinio: umount it where it's mounted first then
[20:43] <combinio> Novell: ok
[20:43] <BluesKaj> downix, did you find the tutorial about running opera on 64 bit ?
[20:44] <downix> BluesKaj: I found one referenced, but it turned out to be a dead-end link.  I found a solution tho, installed the Windows version using Wine.
[20:44] <biovore> downix: install the ia32-libs stuff?
[20:44] <mauri> someone knows where is storage the file for media notification?
[20:44] <biovore> mauri: somewhere in amarok I beleive
[20:44] <downix> biovore: nope, but I have it sorted
[20:44] <BluesKaj> downix , how is it working for you ?
[20:45] <downix> BluesKaj: It runs well enough to test sites out with, all I needed it for
[20:45] <BluesKaj> OK
[20:45] <downix> I use konq for general browsing
[20:45] <mauri> Blowfish_: i'm speaking about "system setting>notification>storage media notification
[20:45] <downix> but as I make websites for a living, need to test under various browsers
[20:45] <john__> thanx again for the help, i will get the kubuntu distro and try it out
[20:46] <ubuntu> testing
[20:47] <BluesKaj> yeah same here ...ried the opera browser "static version" ...was ok but not all the media would work even after the plugin installs
[20:47] <bmack> how do i install flash i tried the option from the site and i get Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the  Adobe Flash Player installer
[20:47] <BluesKaj> bmack use adept or apt to install the right versions
[20:48] <downix> *nods*  I find it funny tho that Opera for Kubuntu-SPARC works tho.  8)
[20:48] <bmack> which are the right versions?
[20:48] <Jeroi> !flash
[20:48] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[20:48] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[20:49] <combinio> !ntfs
[20:49] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[20:50] <Jeroi> hey, suggestion
[20:51] <Jeroi> Would it be wise to have ubotu to privmsg to incoming users, that try ask from ubotu usin /msg ubotu keyword
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> some people hate msg on joins.
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> on some irc networks i would auto-ignore such messages with scripts
[20:52] <Jeroi> but they ask same queastion still even tho they could get that information from ubotu without help
[20:53] <Jeroi> also if that is not good, then notice for user
[20:53] <Dr_willis_> if they took 10 sec to google. they could get the same answers also. :)
[20:53] <Jeroi> /notice user info
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> i think it really lags down the bot when it searches for unkown keywords as well, as am sure most newcomers would be using
[20:53] <camilla> Hello I'd made a big mistake and need you're suppot agai. I tryed to koneck tv to the tv out. The resulotion on my screen ! is so low that it don't work. How can I reset the resolution
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> but hey, its an idea
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> :p
[20:54] <Jeroi> sub[t]rnl then write logger that makes log of coomon keywords that do not get answer from ubotu
[20:54] <Dr_willis_> camilla,  with nvidia cards - theres that nvidia config tools.
[20:54] <downix> Dr_willis: what is this "google" you speak of?  8)
[20:54] <Jeroi> then channel people can write answer to ubotu
[20:54] <surgy> when i open "connect to a remote desktop" and enter in the ip that i want to connect to, the connect button stays grayed out, what am i doing wrong?
[20:54] <Dr_willis_> camilla,  it also is worth while  to backup your xorg.conf's when you get them working. :)
[20:54] <Dr_willis_> surgy,  you do have the remote desktop thing running on the remote?
[20:55] <surgy> Dr_willis im trying to connect to a friends windows computer to help him set his computer up
[20:55] <camilla> Sorry I did'nt inform you. I have Radeon. and I installed a tool to get it to work on the tv. But it can only put it in clone mode.
[20:55] <Dr_willis_> I got no idea on windows remote desktop - could be 100+ things going on at the windows end.
[20:55] <Dr_willis_> windows firewall may be blovking it.
[20:56] <Jeroi> alsp should make a list of common asnwered answer keywords using /msg ubotu list
[20:56] <BenPA> GeirrS: I set up the system email in thunderbird and it works
[20:56] <camilla> And I cannot control the resolution
[20:56] <camilla> I'm sitting infront of the tv
[20:56] <camilla> :-)
[20:56] <Jeroi> I could discuss this with maintainer of ubotu, if someone knows him?
[20:57] <Dr_willis_> theres a bots channel I think
[20:57] <biovore> !ubotu
[20:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[20:57] <biovore> !botsnack
[20:57] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:57] <jpatrick> !opsnack
[20:57] <ubotu> Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[20:58] <downix> I need to get an XGI V3 card
[20:58] <biovore> why?
[20:58] <downix> biovore: I got the docs for it
[20:59] <biovore> I think XGI is open source already
[21:00] <downix> yup, I'd just like to havea card to go with thedrver, living by y mantra
[21:02] <downix> biovore: I've complained for years about closed-off docs and how we shouldn't support companies that don't supply documentation, so best way to demonstrate support to companies I do ya know
[21:03] <biovore> I don't think 64bit processors applications use more memory then 32bit processors..  int on kubuntu 64bit is still 32bits float is 32bits...
[21:03] <downix> biovore: Only minimum difference in my experience
[21:04] <mauri> Blowfish_: i'm speaking about "system setting>notification>storage media notification
[21:04] <mauri> someone knows where is storage the file for media notification?
[21:05] <server_> is anyone using kubuntu 7.10 gutsy that install compiz-fusion here?
[21:05] <Dr_willis_> i reall reading on some discuession about 64 vs 32 - that 64bit 'can' in some cases  require identical apps to use a little more ram. depends on wht theya re doing however. :)
[21:05] <Dr_willis_> lots of little #'s vs lots of big #'s i guess.. :)
[21:06] <downix> Dr_willis_: In some cases it can use less as well, as when you get to those huge #'s, a 32-bit system will have to run more functions to arrive at the answer
[21:06] <biovore> well the differance is probably the address pointers..
[21:06] <biovore> All the datatypes are all the same size..
[21:06] <biovore> yeah.. doubles == 64bit number..
[21:06] <kirk_> hey ppl
[21:07] <kirk_> i'm trying to extract a file from multiple p7zips
[21:08] <kirk_> cant find the program p7zip anywhere.. it must be konsole only
[21:08] <kirk_> the unrar command isnt working
[21:08] <kirk_> any ideas?
[21:08] <biovore> apt-get install p7zip
[21:08] <kirk_> it's already installed
[21:08] <biovore> oh..
[21:08] <biovore> apt-get install p7zip-unrar
[21:09] <biovore> add rar module
[21:09] <Dr_willis_> how are you using the rar/unrar command?
[21:09] <Dr_willis_> or the 7zip command. :)
[21:09] <kirk_> unrar x filename.rar
[21:10] <kirk_> actually its like filename.7z.001
[21:10] <Dr_willis_> Then they are 7zip archives
[21:10] <Dr_willis_> !find 7zip
[21:10] <kirk_> yep
[21:10] <tomatopaste> this is kind of a specific question, but i'm sure someone must know an answer... - i download video podcasts with amarok, and in amarok they show up with "pretty" tag information (namely the title, as opposed to the filename). When I transfer these files to my ipod the tags aren't there - without me having to edit them all individually, does anyone know what I can do to have the tags BE there when transferred?
[21:10] <Dr_willis_> !find 7zr
[21:10] <ubotu> Found: p7zip, p7zip-full, p7zip-rar
[21:10] <ubotu> File 7zr found in p7zip
[21:11] <Dr_willis_> 7zr x whatever..7z.001             i guess. :)
[21:11] <Dr_willis_> ive never seen multipart 7z's befor
[21:11] <biovore> tomatopaste: try #amarok
[21:11] <tomatopaste> for example - Happy Tree Friends episode "mime and mime again" shows up in amarok with that title, but the filename is 374.m4v, and the filename is what i see on my ipod...
[21:11] <kirk_> lets check... br
[21:11] <tomatopaste> biovore: hmm, didn't know there was a channel - i'll check it out
[21:12] <Dr_willis_> tomatopaste,   psp has similer 'thing' its one of the annoying things i find with it..
[21:12] <Dr_willis_> guess the actual name is inside the m4v somewhere.
[21:12] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: it's just a question of getting the rss info transferred with the file I THINK, not sure tho
[21:13] <Dr_willis_> tomatopaste,  never noticed i dont use videocasts much. i only play with Miro a little
[21:13] <ScottG> Miro's pretty cool
[21:13] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: the ipod is brand new - I HAVE to play with it :)
[21:14] <kirk_> stupid 7zips
[21:14] <Dr_willis_> i tend to grab things from stage6.com :) but now most all th good stuff is gone.
[21:14] <kirk_> says it cannot open file as archive
[21:14] <Dr_willis_> i tend to play with ipods by taking hammers to them.
[21:14] <Dr_willis_> 'file whatever.the.file.name.is'
[21:14] <Dr_willis_> see wht it thinks it is
[21:14] <Dr_willis_> You could always try wine and the windows 7zip program
[21:15] <biovore> kirk_: there is also unrar (apt-get install unrar,  then unrar x <file.rar>)
[21:15] <tomatopaste> wait - i've done 7zip files before...
[21:15] <kirk_> that was the first thing i tried biovore
[21:15] <tomatopaste> there's a commandline proggy for 7zip in the repos - supports multi
[21:17] <Dr_willis_> i see no mention of multipart 7z's in the docs.
[21:17] <kirk_> i'm not finding it...
[21:17] <tomatopaste> *sigh* - getting nicely ignored in #amarok - gotta love irc ;)
[21:17] <mauri> someone knows where is storage the file for media notification?
[21:17] <tomatopaste> wait then - i KNOW i've done it at LEAST once
[21:18] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get insall p7zip
[21:18] <Dr_willis_> then the command is 7zr
[21:18] <Dr_willis_> but if it says the archive is bad.. check the archive type with ' file whateveritscalled'
[21:19] <kirk_>  7-zip archive data, version 0.2
[21:19] <Dr_willis_> with multipart zip's you had to 'tweak' them.. : ) its possible the 7z commands cant handle multiparts archives
[21:20] <kirk_> last resort then, i'll try with wine
[21:20] <camilla> I did "  sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"  and this is what I got http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50419/
[21:22] <camilla> I found yhis http://www.errorforum.com/linux-unix-error/27392-set-screen-resolution-ubuntu-kde.html
[21:22] <camilla> But i'm unsure ho to implemt it
[21:23] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: is there a way in bash to find the last time i used a specific command?
[21:24] <tomatopaste> i mean, to see the syntax i used?
[21:24] <Dr_willis_> the history command perhaps?
[21:24] <tomatopaste> yeah - how's that work?
[21:24] <Dr_willis_> type history :)
[21:24] <Dr_willis_> and see whats there.
[21:24] <Dr_willis_> unless your history has been cleared lately
[21:24] <tomatopaste> no - but it's just huge
[21:24] <tomatopaste> if i know what command, any way to sort?
[21:25] <tomatopaste> (i'm intrigued about the 7-zip problem, want to see what i did last time)
[21:26] <Dr_willis_> history | grep 7
[21:26] <Dr_willis_> :)
[21:26] <tomatopaste> ok... that narrows it down to 502 results lol
[21:26] <camilla> It's only possible to set the res. to: 640X480
[21:27] <camilla> In the systenssettings
[21:27] <Dr_willis_> camilla,  what kind of tv you using? you hooked up via svideo cable or what?
[21:27] <Dr_willis_> ati's tv out support - has been lacking under linux for years..  im suprised it even works
[21:27] <tomatopaste> hmm - i just did a p7zip -d Filename.7z and it took care of the multis
[21:28] <Dr_willis_> p7zip is a gzip-like CLI wrapper script for 7zip hmmm
[21:28] <Dr_willis_> so where does 7zr fit in.. ;)
[21:28] <tomatopaste> good question
[21:29] <marcondes> somebody uses super grub disk?
[21:29] <tomatopaste> i have both the p7zip and the p7zip-full packages installed
[21:30] <Dr_willis_> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8051  Compression Tools Compared
[21:30] <Dr_willis_> :)
[21:31] <tomatopaste> heh
[21:32] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_ feel like helping me through a compile? I want to compile this proggy so that it first makes a deb and then installs it, so that if a newer version comes in the repos it'll detect and install - you follow what i mean?
[21:33] <biovore> rzip... hehe...  made by a guy from the samba group..  works insanly well on large files..
[21:33] <Dr_willis_> making a deb from source is not too hard.. that last bit.. is proberly not going to happen..
[21:33] <biovore> Iook on the second graph..
[21:33] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: no? why not?
[21:33] <Dr_willis_> since the repos need to have the updates. :) the fact that YOU made a .deb wont make it auto update
[21:33] <sourcemaker> are there any crash log files for firefox?
[21:33] <Dr_willis_> if the repos had the updates.. they would have it allready..  and you wouldent need to compile
[21:34] <sourcemaker> firefox is crashing realy often
[21:34] <Dr_willis_> OR did i miss somthing here. :)
[21:34] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: true... but they'll get updates SOME day, no? ;)
[21:34] <server_> emm...can anybody help me
[21:34] <Dr_willis_> tomatopaste,  with ubuntu.. adding new stuff happens every 6 mo. with the new releases
[21:34] <server_> what make connection time out at konsole?
[21:35] <Dr_willis_> sourcemaker,  you could run firefox from a terminal. i guess and see any messages tehre
[21:35] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: frustrating tho in some cases
[21:35] <Dr_willis_> tomatopaste,  its a trade off. Theres pros and cons with all the ways of doing it.
[21:36] <camilla> Hello again.
[21:36] <camilla> It crashed
[21:36] <tomatopaste> Dr_willis_: but if i compile now, will i ruin my chances of having it automatically update if i so choose in the future?
[21:37] <server_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-server" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 <<<what make this happen?
[21:37] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: what's the command... firefox executes a new process
[21:38] <Dr_willis_> Hmm..  it may spit out messages anyway. :)
[21:38] <Dr_willis_> I would guess its flash crashing firefox.
[21:40] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: firefox -g.... seems working...
[21:40] <server_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-server" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 <<<what make this happen?
[21:41] <Dr_willis_> you running some kde apps as root?
[21:42] <Dr_willis_> ls -l /var/tmp/kdecache-  --->   kdecache-root/   kdecache-willis/
[21:42] <server_> i running this > sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:42] <Dr_willis_> Hmm. i dont have a kdecache-server  looks like it makes a kdecache for each user
[21:42] <Dr_willis_> use kdesu for kde gui apps
[21:42] <Dr_willis_> or use a console based editor with sudo
[21:42] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: firefox hangs now.... no response... but the loaded page does not use any flash animations
[21:43] <Dr_willis_> sourcemaker,  bummer.. as a test ya could try a new user. see if it also affects them. What is the url anyway? i will try here.
[21:43] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: no... I am wring... , Segmentation fault. /home/sourcemaker/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[21:43] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: No... I am wrong
[21:43] <Dr_willis_> :)
[21:44] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: how to solve?
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> flash once agains - shows why flash is sich a PAIN.
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> could try installing the lastest flash i guess..
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> other then that.. no idea.
[21:44] <server_>  sudo kdesu /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:44] <server_> sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[21:44] <sourcemaker> !flash
[21:44] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[21:44] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> server_,  kdesu is used INSTEAD of sudo
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> kdesu kate whatever
[21:45] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: ubotu is my friends... :-)
[21:45] <Dr_willis_> to upgrade to the latest flash you willproberly have to manualy install it. there is a fixed deb however i saw..
[21:46] <Dr_willis_> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=53648&d=1198033332 - has links to a newer deb BUT i think theres still some issues with it.
[21:47] <server_> dr-willis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50420/
[21:47] <Dr_willis_> heh...  USE at your own risk to test out the flash --> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_i386.deb
[21:48] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: I will wait and disable the flash support in firefox... if possible
[21:48] <Dr_willis_> server_,  i would have allready just edited the file with a console text editor and been done with it. :)
[21:49] <Dr_willis_> You made your user name to be 'server' :) thats.. weird..
[21:49] <server_> huhu
[21:49] <Dr_willis_> guess you could log out. and go to the console and  remove the /tmp/kde-* dirs
[21:50] <Dr_willis_> im guseeing somthing got confused in all the sudo'ing.
[21:52] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: maybe I am wrong... but i think there are a lot of problems with the kubuntu gusty release... :-)
[21:52] <Dr_willis_> sourcemaker,  ive rarely had any problems
[21:52] <Dr_willis_> the latest flash issue.. is due VERY largely in part to the flash guys...
[21:53] <Dr_willis_> i always do clean instals.. that removes most of the issues ive heard/seen in here.
[21:53] <ScottG> It's been great for me.. other than when I mess it up :)
[21:53] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis_: okay... I have made a release upgrade... maybe there is the problem
[21:54] <ScottG> it was messed up at first when I upgraded, then I did a clean install
[21:54] <server_> dr_willis> it show the same result..and also is i type "sudo apt-get update" i got connection timeout
[21:55] <sourcemaker> ScottG: I have also compiled my own kernel from the current vanilla source <IP_ADDRESS>... because my wlan is not working with the current kubuntu kernel...
[21:55] <pdenapo> A serious problem in current kubuntu is that flash player 9 plugin does not work well on konqueror
[21:55] <ScottG> I see..
[21:55] <pdenapo> it causes a lot of crashes, this is anoying to users
[21:55] <sourcemaker> ScottG: that's not realy nice :-)
[21:55] <ScottG> what's not nice?
[21:56] <sourcemaker> ScottG: Well... the WLAN bug in the current kubuntu kernel release
[21:56] <WaltzingAlong> everyone following the gregorian calendar anyway
[21:56] <sourcemaker> ScottG: realtek only...
[21:56] <Dr_willis_> lets start using the Aztek calander!
[21:56] <Dr_willis_> :)
[21:56] <ScottG> I agree, it doesn't sound like a nice issue..
[21:57]  * Dr_willis_ feels flash is an issue.. :)
[21:57] <Dr_willis_> its becoming what 'java' was supposed to be.
[21:57] <camilla> This is the state of my system  i did this $ sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and it shows here : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50419/
[22:03] <sourcemaker> ScottG: I also do not understand for the moment... why bug fixes in kubuntu takes so much time... until a update has been released... Is there a repository available... like "newest stable software" ?
[22:04] <ScottG> well.. it is my understanding that kubuntu has a fairly small dev team.. as far as the repo.. not sure howe they decide what to put in it
[22:05] <sourcemaker> ScottG: ok
[22:07] <CheGuevara> sourcemaker: is there anything specific that has a patch, but not updated yet?
[22:10] <ChaosR> does anyone know how to sync tags to the files on the harddrive with amarok. I remember it only stores the tags in the database
[22:11] <sourcemaker> CheGuevara: Well... I know that the WLAN problem has been solved in the current stable vanilla kernel... There was a bug regarding the realtek cards... But the last answer I received was... that the new kernel release will only available in hardy... so the only solution for me was... compiling/installing the vanilla kernel...
[22:11] <sourcemaker> CheGuevara: such kinds of update would be nice...
[22:11] <enry> goodnight and happy new year!
[22:11] <CheGuevara> thats not really a kubuntu specific problem then
[22:12] <CheGuevara> since the kernel comes from ubuntu
[22:12] <Lynoure> ChaosR: If I understood your question right: Tools -> Rescan collection
[22:12] <sourcemaker> CheGuevara: well... but for me as user... it is not possible... to update the kernel
[22:13] <Lynoure> ChaosR: but you can also edit tags directly in Amarok
[22:13] <sourcemaker> CheGuevara: because the last version in apt is 2.6.22.XXX
[22:13] <CheGuevara> sourcemaker: yeah, because you can't really bump a kernel version in a stable release
[22:13] <ChaosR> Lynoure: I remember last time I reinstalled "amarok" (and the rest of linux), I had to start over tagging everything again
[22:14] <ChaosR> artist, years, albums, etc.
[22:15] <rs3york> ChaosR: I had the same problem.  I haven't figured out how to write to the files but I've sidestepped the issue by having my /home on it's own partition.
[22:15] <rs3york> ChaosR: So if you have to reinstall then your Amarok database is still intact.
[22:15] <Lynoure> ChaosR: hmm, that surprises me. I'm pretty sure the tags I have set in Amarok have transferred fine to my portable usb-media player
[22:15] <ChaosR> rs3york: that works on this computer, but not on my mp3 player, I suppose
[22:16] <ChaosR> Lynoure: hmm, maybe it changed
[22:16] <rs3york> ChaosR: Good point.
[22:16] <Lynoure> ChaosR: it could also be different depending on whether you use mysql backend or not, I suppose.
[22:17] <ChaosR> Lynoure: which one do you use
[22:18] <ChaosR> I use mysql, sqlite is too slow (big collection)
[22:19] <Lynoure> ChaosR: sqlite, as I only have couple of thousand tracks
[22:19] <Lynoure> ChaosR: but, probably #Amarok can give you the definite answer on tagging
[22:22] <triplicate> I am running a SLAX live CD but I want to install a kubuntu ISO. I have the ISO on a usb drive but I dont have a CD to burn it to. My BIOS doesnt support booting from USB either... is there any way that I can still install this ISO?
[22:22] <Schuenemann> triplicate, do you have a DVD? :p
[22:22] <triplicate> Nope
[22:23] <jussi01> !netinstall | triplicate
[22:23] <triplicate> Sweet
[22:23] <jussi01> and the bot is slow
[22:23] <ubotu> triplicate: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[22:23] <jussi01> triplicate: hopefully one of the methods there helps
[22:24] <Behemot> !widgets
[22:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widgets - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:25] <Joelito> hi all, what's the default utility to read pdf in kubuntu?
[22:25] <Schuenemann> kpdf
[22:25] <Joelito> Schuenemann: thanks!
[22:28] <Joelito> and what's the utility to compress/uncompress like file-roller in ubuntu?
[22:28] <CheGuevara> !lag
[22:28] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[22:28] <Schuenemann> ark?
[22:29] <Joelito> Schuenemann: Thanks, is because I use debian + kde...so everything here is a blank :p
[22:29] <Schuenemann> Joelito, sok
[22:30] <Joelito> Schuenemann: :)
[22:32] <Joelito> Schuenemann: Is there in kubuntu a light C++ IDE such geany?
[22:32] <Schuenemann> hmmm I don't know
[22:32] <Schuenemann> I don't think you'd call eclipse light
[22:33] <Joelito> Schuenemann:ok...and CD burner like brasero?
[22:33] <ScottG> k3b
[22:33] <Schuenemann> k3d
[22:34] <Schuenemann> I believe it's easier if you click on the K menu :-)
[22:34] <Behemot> What do i need to see videos on Youtube? i have firefox
[22:34] <Dr_willis> Flash. but right now flash is a bit broken.
[22:34] <ScottG> !flash
[22:34] <Dr_willis> !flash
[22:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:34] <Schuenemann> Behemot, flash?
[22:34] <ScottG> :)
[22:34] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:34] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[22:35] <Behemot> hehe okey thanks for all the answers
[22:35] <Schuenemann> how broken?
[22:35] <Dr_willis> And ive heard no info on when an official fix may be.
[22:35] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  from what i read. flash in konqueror and 64bit sstems is still broken
[22:35] <Schuenemann> but he has firefox
[22:35] <Behemot> Aye
[22:36] <Dr_willis> I never said he dident. :) heh heh.. so its not a problem for most people..
[22:36] <Fryguy--> if I decide to install kubuntu-desktop from a base ubuntu install, and choose to keep it and switch to kde fulltime, and remove ubuntu-desktop, how close will I be to a stock kubuntu install off of the CD?
[22:36] <Dr_willis> just the Kubuntu-addicts tht love konqueror
[22:36] <Schuenemann> konqueror as web browser is broken by itself
[22:36] <Dr_willis> Fryguy--,  removing ubutnu-desktop wont remove much of anything
[22:37] <Dr_willis> its  a meta-package
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> !purekde
[22:37] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[22:37] <triplicate> I have a kubuntu iso on a usb drive but my bios doesnt support booting from the usb drive is there any way I can mount this ISO and boot from it?
[22:38] <triplicate> i have the iso and I dont want to do net install because that would take me another several hours to download the information that i already have
[22:38] <Fryguy--> is there generally much of a hassle switching between desktops?  I've been doing a bit of reading, and as far as I can tell, except for a few themes getting messed up and other minor stuff, there's no real issues to having both co-exist. true?
[22:38] <Dr_willis> Fryguy--,  pick the one to use at the gdm/kdm screen. No hassles at all
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> Fryguy--: yeah... pretty much no hassle at all.
[22:38] <Dr_willis> there used to be bigger issues years ago. but not much tese days
[22:39] <Dr_willis> biggist hassle ive seen is kde and gnome having seperate trashcan dirs.
[22:39] <Joelito> Schuenemann: Thanks :)
[22:42] <Joelito> Anyknow is there an applet to change the K-menu to tabs
[22:42] <Lynoure> triplicate: if you cannot boot from usb and cannot burn the cd, then you can try installing through pxe, but that requires another computer in the same lan
[22:42] <biovore> Joelito: tasty menus or kbfx I think are what your talking about?
[22:43] <triplicate> Does that other computer have to be running linux?
[22:43] <Lynoure> triplicate: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot has the details
[22:43] <Joelito> biovore: tasty menus?
[22:44] <triplicate> thanls
[22:44] <Lynoure> triplicate: not necessarily, one can do it on windows too, if you configure it to do the serving, but those instruction does not cover Windows details
[22:44] <biovore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866 <-- tasty menu
[22:46] <biovore> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-KBFX?content=66679 <-- example kbfx menu
[22:49] <fyrmedic> anyone know how to set up gpsd and get a gps to register the right tty
[22:49] <fyrmedic> ?
[22:49] <kirk_> dr_willis_: i'm way late updating u, but i installed the 7zip app with wine and it worked perfect
[22:50] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, hey, my flash is broken!
[22:50] <Schuenemann> it was yesterday's update
[22:53] <Athena> hello everyon'
[22:53] <nuxil> anyone got an idea why non of the cronjobs i set up gets run ?
! still here eh?
[22:53] <Schuenemann> I have to rollback that flash update
[22:54] <nuxil> Athena, ?
[22:54] <Athena> i was here yesterday...i have the errant printer
[22:54] <CheGuevara> !flashproblems
[22:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashproblems - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:54] <CheGuevara> meh
[22:54] <CheGuevara> !flash
[22:54] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:54] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[22:54] <nuxil> crontab -l shows me the job.. but it never executes them
[22:54] <nuxil> Athena, ah,, yah,, small issues
[22:54] <Schuenemann> CheGuevara, you have it too?
[22:55] <nuxil> Athena, i just joined 5 sec before you :p
[22:55] <CheGuevara> Schuenemann: I don't, I use firefox, but everyone running gutsy and earlier does
[22:56] <SpeS> hi! I'm trying to configure compiz, it cannot detect xgl (I have nvidia drivers installed, and can see glxgears), any idea?
[22:56] <Schuenemann> CheGuevara, I use firefox too!
[22:56] <CheGuevara> + using konqueror
[22:56] <CheGuevara> Schuenemann: whats the problem?
[22:56] <Athena> I"m trying to get a printer running...after running the adept updater and trying other stuff...it now says it doesn't have CUPS
[22:56] <SpeS> I try to run it with compiz --replace
[22:56] <SpeS> it seems to work, but without glx (only with composite)
[22:57] <SpeS> any idea? how can I check glx is really ok or not?
[22:57] <Schuenemann> CheGuevara, flash doesn't load... it was loading fine until yesterday, but there was an update and now it's not working
[22:57] <Schuenemann> SpeS, try glxgears
[22:57] <SpeS> Schuenemann, it runs well
[22:57] <CheGuevara> Schuenemann: does it show in about:plugins
[22:57] <nuxil> SpeS, join #ubuntu-xgl
[22:57] <Athena> did i mention that Adept now crashes no matter what i do <grr>
[22:58] <Schuenemann> CheGuevara, only hava there
[22:58] <Schuenemann> java*
[22:58] <nuxil> SpeS, compiz in not supported by kubuntu
[22:58] <Athena> run one version and it says there is already one running (not)
[22:58]  * Monkey_Tales is back.
[22:58] <CheGuevara> Schuenemann: just install it from firefox,
[22:58] <CheGuevara> brb
[22:58] <Schuenemann> CheGuevara, how?
[22:58] <Athena> how do you load adept when it is having a temper tantrum?
[22:58] <SpeS> nuxil, ok, thanks :)
 funny the way timing goes
[22:59] <nuxil> heh yea
[22:59] <nuxil> anyway.. i cant figure out why cron job's dont get run..
[23:00] <Joelito> before installing koffice, does give support for importing and exporting ms office 97-2003 files?
[23:00] <Athena> the backtrace on Adept seems to be related to some files it couldn't update earlier
[23:00] <nuxil> Joelito, why dont you use openoffice ?
[23:01] <Athena> is there a way to fix something like that without starting over?
[23:01] <Athena> ;-( !
[23:01] <Ryuku> hello
[23:02] <Joelito> because I'm looking for alternatives ;)
[23:02] <Schuenemann> openoffice is already an alternative
[23:02] <Joelito> and seems that koffice is a good one, is it? :\
[23:02] <biovore> its ok..
[23:03] <biovore> abiword
[23:03] <Joelito> abiword-gnumeric-?-?
[23:03] <biovore> yup there ok apps
[23:03] <Joelito> presentation, database? .\
[23:03] <Athena> Koffice is an alternative
[23:03] <Schuenemann> what's wrong with openoffice?
[23:03] <Athena> a good databse for books and movies and such is tellico
[23:04] <Athena> took me forever to find it...but i don't know how to set up the relations in the database program with open office, this does it for me
[23:04] <Joelito> Schuenemann: Nothing, just asking about koffice.
[23:04] <Schuenemann> a good database for piracy is emule
[23:04] <nuxil> Athena, tried apt-get update / apt-get install --fix-missing / dpkg --configure -a  so on?
[23:04] <Joelito> I meant such microsoft access :p
[23:05] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: koffice for large documentations?
[23:05] <biovore> mysql
 not really sure how to...last time i tried to update the hplip program i had to abandon my system
 how would i do it?
[23:05] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, I don't use koffice
[23:05] <Athena> try tellico...it's a good program
[23:05] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: ok
[23:05] <Athena> free
[23:05] <Athena> open source from what i can tell
[23:05] <biovore> pro's use latex
[23:06] <Athena> for those of us who aren't experts on databases
[23:06] <Schuenemann> biovore, pro's don't use X...
[23:06] <Schuenemann> biovore, do you use latex?
[23:07] <biovore> a little..
[23:07] <Joelito> in ubuntu is eog, and in kubuntu?
[23:07] <Joelito> image viewer
[23:07] <biovore> Eye of Gnome?
[23:07] <Schuenemann> biovore, what program you use?
[23:07] <Schuenemann> Joelito, just click K > graphics
[23:08] <biovore> vi?
[23:08] <Athena> I'm curious...i have a book on flash (just to learn) seems like it's similar to parts of GIMP...would that be correct
[23:08] <Athena> vi is a editor
[23:08] <Joelito> Schuenemann: Remember I came from debian netinstall
[23:08] <Athena> fairly easi to use
[23:08] <Joelito> nothing is there :(
[23:08] <Schuenemann> biovore, is vi ok for writing text?
[23:08] <biovore> or you talking about the viewer?
[23:08] <Schuenemann> Joelito, ok, gwenview
[23:09] <Athena> vi is for writing text...we used it on a UNIX system
[23:09] <Athena> well i did in school
[23:09] <Athena> like emacs but easier
[23:10] <Schuenemann> biovore, you have any source that explains latex?
[23:10] <biovore> use kdvi for latex viewing
[23:10] <biovore> www.cs.hmc.edu/qref/latex/qref
[23:11] <Schuenemann> for writing
[23:11] <biovore> good crash course referance..
[23:11] <Athena> now i have a system that can't update itself! (funny how getting printers to work is a pain in the ass)
[23:11] <Schuenemann> I'm using openoffice for my graduation paper
[23:12] <Athena> i've tried apt-get in the terminal...it complains it doesn't have the right files
[23:12] <Schuenemann> but I've heard latex is better for technical stuff; better for finding errors for example
[23:12] <biovore> latex is a typesetting language for printed material..
[23:12] <Athena> latex is older...from what i hear it's more similar in how you do things to wordperfect (but way ahead of it, with more sensible commands)
[23:13] <Athena> HELP HELP
[23:14] <Schuenemann> biovore, isn't it like: I set the syntax for an article reference, and then if I make any mistakes when typing one, it'll complain?
[23:14] <Athena> installing took me over 3 hours...i'd prefer not to start again
[23:15] <biovore> Schuenemann: yes
[23:15] <biovore> not a word processor..
[23:15] <Schuenemann> hmmm
[23:15] <Schuenemann> like programming
[23:15] <Athena> would another ubuntu channel be better (if so please suggest which and how to get there)
[23:15] <biovore> you decribe your text in a criptic language.. then parse that script though latex to produce a DVI or PDF document
[23:15] <Schuenemann> thanks for the link, biovore
[23:16] <trpr> or you describe your text using a frontend.. it does the dirty work and then you produce the final document
[23:16] <biovore> Most published books are made using latex at some point..
[23:16] <Schuenemann> but there is something better than vi, right?
[23:16] <biovore> yeah..
[23:16] <trpr> its really great actually. try typing out equations any other way
[23:16] <biovore> rgr
[23:17] <biovore> it perfect for science and math stuff
[23:17] <Schuenemann> hmm
[23:17] <biovore> its how to make a professionaly looking document
[23:17] <biovore> typesetting language
[23:17] <Athena> ARE there other ubuntu channels i can use? I seem to remember one a few years ago
[23:18] <Dragnslcr> You can try #ubuntu
[23:18] <Athena> ok
[23:18] <biovore> might want to take a look at kile for thoses intressed in latex graphical front ends.. is in the repos I think..
[23:18] <Athena> how do i change channels (i'm new to IRC...never used it much)
[23:18] <vbgunz> anyone use ooffice writer? how do you link several footnotes to a single reference in the footer?
[23:18] <Nulo> Hi, is there a way to encrypt various files simultaneously using the same pass phrase (without zipping them) in kgpg?
[23:19] <Athena> you can use the old standby...add more than one footnote
[23:19] <mot_> xine is being a wench
[23:19] <Athena> ah there I'm on the ubuntu channel
[23:19] <Schuenemann> I'm installing kile, biovore
[23:19] <Schuenemann> thanks
[23:19] <mot_> and won't play audio in amarok because i removed my pcmcia soundcard (won't play through the onboard sound)
[23:19] <mot_> any suggestions?
[23:19] <ardchoille> Athena: /join channel_name_here
[23:20] <mot_> it says "audio output unavailable, the device is busy"
[23:20] <biovore> probably got the old sound modules stuck in the kernel..
[23:20] <biovore> and or.. your onboard sound had been monopolized by a process (can only handle 1 /dev/dsp connection at a time)
[23:21] <mot_> i'm thinking it's the latter
[23:21] <mot_> since sound still plays in firefox
[23:21] <biovore> lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[23:21] <biovore> yeah.. alsa kinda sucks for oss emulation..
[23:22] <biovore> only 1 appilication at a time can use /dev/dsp on most sounds systems..  The exception being the soundblaster live and audigy's
[23:22] <mot_> lsof |grep /dev/dsp returns nothing
[23:23] <mot_> yea...normally i have my audigy2 pc card plugged in with my surround sound
[23:23] <mot_> but i'm home on break now and took it out and left it at school
[23:24] <biovore> hmm I see creative has some beta driver for X-Fi now for 64bit linux..
[23:25] <tater> hey all I'm haveing an issue with amarok making my ipod unusable to the point where I have to boot xp up and recover it useing itunes any ideas on how to prevent this and to get it to sync properly?
[23:27] <gan|y|med> hi and happy new year
[23:28] <gan|y|med> i am running gutsy and since the fglrx driver acts poorly in 2d i reverted back to the x.org ati driver. my problem is, i get 27 to 30 % cpu usage of X all the time, which makes working unbearable. any ideas what is causing this?
[23:29] <tater> i think everyone is sleeping
[23:31] <gan|y|med> there must be some americans :)
[23:31] <trpr> there are
[23:31] <gan|y|med> so u are awake :)
[23:31] <gan|y|med> any ideas concerning my problem?
[23:32]  * trpr recommends trying in #ubuntu. Seems more active. I've never grappled with ATI issues so I dunno
[23:44] <jhutchins> !ati | gan|y|med
[23:44] <ubotu> gan|y|med: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:44] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: That might help.
[23:44] <basy> Can anybody help, all my x-browsers firefox and konqueror displays only part of some pages (www.ubuntu.com too) and then never stop downloading of rest of page? why, please? I am on Kubuntu 64.bit
[23:44] <jhutchins> basy: What are you using the 64b for?
[23:45] <gan|y|med> jhutchins: hi, sorry, but i don't want to install the binary ati drivers. i would like to use the x.org ones. due to my custom kernel i cannot use the repos
[23:46] <basy> jhutchins: because i have Soundblaste X-Fi, and drivers are only 64bit
[23:46] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: I'm not saying you should install one over the other.  That page has the majority of links to information on using the cards in addition to installing the drivers on them.  I don't think there are all that many different drivers for any given card, so you'll just have to choose which compromise to make.
[23:46] <basy> jhutchins: and i tried 32bit before, the same prblem
[23:46] <jhutchins> basy: Ah, I saw that card this week and was wondering what problems there might be with it.
[23:47] <jhutchins> basy: Well, I was going to suggest that you just install 32b for ordinary use, and keep the 64b for when you really need it.
[23:47] <jhutchins> basy: Do you have ipv6 turned off?  What kind of connection do you have?
[23:48] <basy>  <jhutchins> yes i tried but no effect
[23:48] <basy>  <jhutchins> but w3m and lynx are OK
[23:48] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: I would say google your video chipset and look for tuning options.
[23:48] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: If X is using a lot of CPU you could try turning off effects.
[23:49] <jhutchins> basy: That's because they never try to download all of the objects on a page.
[23:49] <basy>  <jhutchins> and i tried 32bit fedora, same problem, only with browsers
[23:49] <marx> привет всем
[23:49] <gan|y|med> jhutchins: ok, i can do that. but i think the problem is not with tuning. when i installed gutsy, the ati driver worked fine. now it is like using vesa
[23:49] <marx> выыы здесь по английски гоните чтоль
[23:50] <jhutchins> basy: You could go 32bit and compile your own driver - not that difficult to do.
[23:50] <Schuenemann> !ru | marx
[23:50] <ubotu> marx: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[23:50] <marx> аоооовлыаожфвал
[23:50] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: The kernel drivers are the same, they're only compiled and packaged by the developers.
[23:51] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: I would suggest you compare kernel and driver versions and see what you can do.
[23:51] <somekool_> is there KDE-SVN package for kubuntu ? more recent version than rc2 ?
[23:51] <jhutchins> !ru | marx
[23:51] <ubotu> marx: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[23:51] <jhutchins> somekool_: No, kde svn is direct from kde.  You should use their package manager.
[23:52] <somekool_> their package manager? what are you talking about ...
[23:52] <jhutchins> somekool_: kde's package manager.
[23:52] <somekool_> there is no such thing
[23:53] <jhutchins> somekool_: I suggest you learn more about KDE before proceeding further with testing.
[23:53] <gan|y|med> jhutchins: you think there might be a problem with the kernel version (<IP_ADDRESS>) and the x.org drivers?
[23:53] <jhutchins> somekool_: KDE4 is NOT production software.
[23:53] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: Most likely.
[23:53] <Boruta> can i pass from ubuntu to kubuntu keeping emails, bookmarked pages and stuff intact?
[23:53] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: I'd also look at the versions of the drivers are available.
[23:54] <Schuenemann> Boruta, you can install kubuntu-desktop
[23:54] <jhutchins> Boruta: You can install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu and have all the same stuff.
[23:54] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: Do try googling for your chipset though, there are probably some discussions in the forums about the problem.
[23:55] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: When I say "tuning", I mean various options that can be set with one driver or the other to fix the problem you're having with that driver.
[23:55] <Boruta> How about install options? I'm very new to linux :D If i remeber well there was 3 options to choose from. Which one?
[23:55] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: Some options may be compile-time options.
[23:56] <gan|y|med> i'll try that
[23:56] <jhutchins> Boruta: Um, lessee... there's the live CD for either Ubuntu or Kubuntu, then there's the alternative CD for each, which use a text-based install and allow more choices.
[23:57] <Boruta> ok thx
[23:57] <jhutchins> Boruta: Once you've got ubuntu though, it's just a matter of which packages you choose to install and use.
[23:57] <Boruta> ah so i can upgrate to kubuntu with synaptic manager?
[23:58] <jhutchins> Boruta: Yes, the meta-package "kubuntu-desktop" pulls all the kubuntu packages that aren't already there.
[23:58] <Boruta> great news thanks a lot
[23:59] <jhutchins> Boruta: Have fun!