[00:50] <xubuntu95w> ?
[01:05] <xubuntu87w> pulseaudio
[01:05] <xubuntu87w> __??
[01:06] <xubuntu87w> why install sound on without any wish of use the speakers ?
[01:07] <xubuntu87w> could  we be saved from - with a pre-install-check-list ?
[01:08] <xubuntu87w> the process keeps runnung cron to install.
[01:09] <xubuntu87w> run UMG cron failed to pulseaudio
[01:10] <xubuntu87w> I talk about the installer scemes
[01:11] <xubuntu87w> there could be more filters
[01:11] <xubuntu87w> to  get
[01:11] <xubuntu87w> fast installs
[01:14] <xubuntu87w> xubuntu has no joint
[01:17] <xubuntu87w> has int
[01:22] <xubuntu95w> -h
[02:16] <xubuntu57w> In the file manager, within a folder, if I select a bunch of files there is no 'move to' option, how can I move a bunch of selected files to another folder within the file manager?
[02:17] <krytarik> xubuntu57w: Cut and paste.
[02:17] <Eickmeyer> xubuntu57w: Select the files, cut (or ctrl-x), then navigate to the new folder. Ctrl-v (or paste).
[02:21] <cicdc> you can also open another window and drag and drop
[02:50] <dunkhel> quit
[02:50] <Unit193> /quit
[02:50] <Unit193> It didn't work. :(
[03:40] <KKc> HI which xubuntu version i can use to install on my Samsung N210 netbook? Specs are 1gb Ram 250 hdd and intel atom 450 1.6gghz
[06:51] <gnrp> KKc: I would actually prefer something else than xubuntu, maybe lubuntu?
[06:52] <gnrp> Otherwise, take the most recent, of course
[08:05] <friendlyGoat> howdy, i have a question about my SD card. for some reason when i first boot into my OS my sd card needs to be unmounted then plugged back in for me to actually be able to do anything with it cause otherwise if i got a few folders in i'll just see ? instead of folder names. how would i go about fixing that?
[08:06] <friendlyGoat> also if you respond please mention me so i can see cause im doin a few other things. im spring cleaning my stuff
[08:09] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: a bit of background information: Do `mount` and `dmesg` and search for the corresponding lines (usually mmcblk) and paste them somewhere
[08:22] <pmjdebruijn> friendlyGoat: other useful commands to pastebin are 'sudo blkid' and 'mount | grep media' and 'lsblk'
[10:09] <_thelion_> Hi, I'm running Xubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, it's stable und fast. But - now - I'm not sure: should I upgrade to Xubuntu 19.04?
[10:36] <brainwash> _thelion_: 19.04 is not an LTS release
[10:41] <_thelion_> okay - so ... I can wait for the next LTS release. Thank you.
[14:23] <ChunkzZ> when can we expect 19.04?
[14:26] <Spass> ChunkzZ, official release should be soon (since main Ubuntu 19.04 is now released), but if you can't wait, you can go here - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/19.04/release/
[14:28] <Spass> (that is, if you want to download the ISO)
[14:30] <Spass> but it's always safer to just wait for the official announcement, read the known issues etc., and then download
[14:43] <ChunkzZ> Spass: what is stopping me from using the minimal iso and installing xubunt that way?????
[14:43] <ChunkzZ> Xubuntu
[14:43] <Spass> not me, that's for sure
[14:44] <ChunkzZ> I mean is there a difference?
[14:44] <ChunkzZ> To that on the minimal and the iso they release?
[14:45] <ChunkzZ> Serious question....
[14:45] <Spass> no, not really, packages are the same of course so you should have the same experience
[14:45] <ChunkzZ> Cheers!!!!
[14:45] <Spass> so basically when Ubuntu main is out, all Xubuntu packages are out too :)
[14:51] <SlaHappy> im about to look little bit Kali and specially Metasploit
[14:52] <SlaHappy> I think it cant understand anything in it
[14:53] <SlaHappy> it will be interesting. Is here somebody like specialist with msfpayload and so on
[14:53] <SlaHappy> sorry my bad English
[14:53] <SlaHappy> im from Finland actually
[14:54] <SlaHappy> but asking help for someone to link good tutorials etc...
[14:55] <SlaHappy> and jes, I googled about it and get punch of shit videos x1000
[14:56] <SlaHappy> one of my irl friends is carding all time
[14:57] <SlaHappy> now FBI is interested now too
[14:57] <SlaHappy> shuoldnt say that out
[14:58] <SlaHappy> so time for some good old 16.20
[15:00] <SlapHappy> cant believe the name SlapHappy is registered. First time ever seen anotherr with same name
[15:00] <SlapHappy> it quiet out here
[15:17] <mkbk> I'm facing a problem with my usb keyboard on my kids laptop (xubuntu 18.04) ...
[15:20] <mkbk> the key board is very fast !! pressing any key will repeat it several time ...
[15:21] <mkbk> i did not face this with my ARTIX config on two laptops. I try setting the keyboard using GUI and xinput without good results!!!
[15:30] <ChunkzZ> 19.04 is broken asf
[15:30] <ChunkzZ> Failed to launch preferred application for category file manager
[15:31] <ChunkzZ> Wtf?
[15:34] <brainwash> ChunkzZ: when doing what?
[15:38] <ChunkzZ> After installing the minimal image and from the desktop opening the file manager
[15:38] <ChunkzZ> Nothing works lol
[15:39] <ChunkzZ> Keeps giving that error
[15:39] <ChunkzZ> So much for testing it hahaha
[15:39] <brainwash> so, xubuntu-desktop is actually not installed
[15:39] <brainwash> right?
[15:39] <ChunkzZ> Yes, it is.
[15:40] <ChunkzZ> Again, after installing xubunt from the minimal image, that God damn error happens
[15:40] <ChunkzZ> Xubuntu
[15:42] <brainwash> can you launch "thunar" directly?
[15:42] <ChunkzZ> No.
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> That error happens
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> Lol
[15:43] <brainwash> that's why ask if you can do it directly
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> Can't open terminal too
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> Yeah well the minimal is broken
[15:44] <brainwash> that sounds like an incomplete installation
[15:44] <ChunkzZ> Lol what
[15:44] <ChunkzZ> I do the same for every iso and they're fine
[15:45]  * ChunkzZ goes back to manjaro
[15:47] <brainwash> you can obtain a list of installed packages with "dpkg -l"
[15:48] <brainwash> and you can share it via a pastebin service
[15:53] <ChunkzZ> How when I can't open terminal? Lmao
[15:53] <ChunkzZ> The Isos are out btw
[15:55] <ChunkzZ> This is too funny
[15:55] <ChunkzZ> Going to try the full installation
[15:56] <brainwash> you cannot open the app menu and type "thunar" or "xfce4-terminal"? or Alt+F2 to open the app finder and run any command
[15:57] <brainwash> minimal ISO installation is usually not tested by anyone
[15:57] <brainwash> and your issue was not reported against the xubuntu ISO
[15:59] <ChunkzZ> No brainwash
[16:03] <xubuntu93w> Hi! Does anybody know if Xubuntu 19.04 is coming out today?
[16:08] <ChunkzZ> It's out already xubuntu93w
[16:10] <xubuntu93w> Ah, okay... On the official download site it says 18.10 is the latest, so I was assuming maybe xubuntu will take a while longer fo
[16:10] <xubuntu93w> r the stable release.
[16:11] <ChunkzZ> xubuntu93w: it's just the site hasn't been updated yey
[16:11] <ChunkzZ> Yet
[16:20] <xubuntu93w> Thanks:)
[16:46] <derdritte> Hi everyone, I am running cosmic and recently switched one on my monitors to rotation:right, now every time my desktop wakes up from suspend my non-rotated screen shows artifacts and my screen, according to xrander is 320x1080, any hints what I could investigate?
[17:13] <ChunkzZ> all setup and running :) happy days. wish I could've used the minimal install though. :(
[19:31] <lisbeths> I have done something to my synclient settings and my touchpad doesn't register touches anymore
[19:32] <lisbeths> mouseclicking on the touchpad still works, however it does not detect touch
[19:34] <lisbeths> What I would really like to do is somehow reinstall synclient and get the default configuration without screwing over my software dependencies
[20:41] <gnrp> lisbeths: synclient doesn't survive a reboot
[20:41] <gnrp> otherwise, dpkg-reconfigure
[21:13] <lisbeths> It says I don't have synclient installed
[21:14] <lisbeths> it must have some fancy package name
[21:18] <lisbeths> I have just tried xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[21:18] <lisbeths> going to reboot now


[00:02] <jrgifford> skellat: ok, so if you can get that to me, i can find a way to fax it to them
[05:38] <Derath-Srvr> :P
[05:40] <Derath-Srvr> Well, bought my Professional ticket for OLF this weekend :)
[18:48] <Unit193> jrgifford: jrgiffo1-17 joining #ubuntu, I think you're workin' on a botnet. ;)
[18:53] <jrgifford> Unit193: not me. ;P
[18:54] <Unit193> Couldn't resist. :D
[18:55] <jrgifford> Unit193: yeah, so some dude copied my irrsi config.
[18:55] <jrgifford> it's rather annoying.
[18:55] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/61549/how-do-i-configure-irssi/61553#61553  Mhmm, yep.
[18:55] <jenni> https://j.mp/1ewPlUC
[18:59] <yano> you should use WeeChat instead :D
[19:00] <Unit193> Nooooo, irssi is great. :D
[19:00] <yano> nnnooooo
[19:00] <yano> WeeChat is better :D
[19:03] <Unit193> Tmux+weechat vs screen+irssi. :P
[19:05] <Unit193> I'm still interested in what'll become of http://svn.irssi.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/irssi?view=revision&revision=5224
[19:05] <jenni> [ [irssi] Revision 5224 ] - https://j.mp/1ewRjEL
[19:05] <thafreak> tmux is killing my raspberry pi
[19:05] <thafreak> orperhaps it's byobu
[19:05] <yano> i do use tmux+weechat :D
[19:06] <thafreak> so does anyone know how to configure tmux to use the same keybindings as byobu does?
[19:06] <thafreak> i tried switching to plain tmux, but now I have to re-learn all the key mappings :(
[19:07] <yano> i've never used byobu
[19:07] <Unit193> byobu uses tmux, and I don't know their mappings.  I used tmux with somewhat the bindings of screen for a while, but things just weren't really right.
[19:08] <thafreak> yeah, I had to switch back to screen for the one machine
[19:08] <thafreak> I think in my one lxc container, byobu had the load up to like 50
[19:08] <thafreak> stupid byobu-status or something
[19:13] <jrgifford> I <3 byobu
[19:13] <jrgifford> it doesn't kill my pi
[19:13] <jrgifford> it's generally whatever i'm doing inside it that kills it.
[19:17] <Unit193> tmux for me never worked except for a cent machine.  Always would scroll half the screen, while leaving the other half where it was until scrolling the other direction.
[19:17] <Unit193> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git/commit/?id=d94037c08a6dd30845b27cd76d99663e06aaabb2 might fix my only reason to use it too.
[19:18] <jenni> [ screen.git - screen ] - https://j.mp/1akXpoT
[19:21] <thafreak> on my pi, the tmux process is eating like 30% cpu constantly
[19:34] <yano> yano      7489  2.0  3.7<PHONE_NUMBER>40 pts/3   Sl+  Sep08  37:19  |   \_ weechat-curses
[19:34] <yano> i might abuse WeeChat
[19:38] <Unit193> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND unit193   4834  0.5  1.4  62940 15020 pts/9    Sl+  May07 1021:27 irssi  I know what you mean.
[19:38] <Unit193> unit193   2760  0.4  0.2<PHONE_NUMBER>6 pts/11   S+   Aug30  58:11 irssi


[12:19] <bblack> hi :) quick question - I'm trying to track down whether a given fix to net-retriever ( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/net-retriever/precise-proposed/revision/479 ) has made it into which binary copies of the netboot installer
[12:20] <bblack> e.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/ (or -proposed)
[12:20] <bblack> is there some kind of buildlog or changelog that indicates what sources those binaries are built from, etc for tracking that down?
[12:36] <cjwatson> bblack: Look a few levels up and you'll find a MANIFEST.udebs file that tells you
[12:37] <cjwatson> Pretty sure that fix has been in -updates for ages
[12:37] <bblack> ah thanks!
[12:42] <bblack> I've been having issues with a ~15 minute delay where nothing updates in the installer syslog or on-screen during a PXE boot (and then everything's fine after that).  In the syslog, the delay happens here:
[12:42] <bblack> Jul  8 18:24:40 debconf: --> GET mirror/http/proxy
[12:42] <bblack> Jul  8 18:24:40 debconf: <-- 0 http://webproxy.esams.wmnet:8080
[12:42] <bblack> Jul  8 18:38:40 debconf: --> GET anna/standard_modules
[12:42] <bblack> Jul  8 18:38:40 debconf: <-- 0 true
[12:42] <bblack> Jul  8 18:38:40 anna[4378]: DEBUG: resolver (ext2-modules): package doesn't exist (ignored)
[12:43] <bblack> which seems like it could be that particular fix.  it's quite possible we've never updated our pxe boot images from the precise originals to precise-updates (which the manifest confirms has the fix), so I'm hoping that's going to fix it
[12:56] <cjwatson> Right, that would be my guess
[17:38] <zartoosh> HI is I am trying to modify the kernel option through preseed file. Is this possible, any help greatly appreciated? thx
[17:53] <maxb> Is oem-config supported under Ubuntu 14.04? The boot option oem-config/enable=true affects the d-i run, but the installed system somehow ends up without oem-config-prepare installed. Installing the oem-config package and running oem-config-prepare ends up with a Kubuntu-branded oem-config running


[13:42] <k_alam> join #ubuntu-uds-plenary
[14:55] <rafaelmartinez> Isn't there supposed to be a session in here?
[14:57] <nik90> rafaelmartinez: it starts in 10 minutes
[14:57] <goddard> cool
[15:03] <goddard> ?
[15:04] <rickspencer3> o/
[15:06] <rickspencer3> o/
[15:06] <Mirv> \o
[15:08] <CimiUDS> there's like a ground bass sound coming from one of your mics :)
[15:10] <christoffer> CimiUDS yes, I hear that sound aswell
[15:10] <CimiUDS> tuuuuuuuuuuuu :D
[15:10] <rickspencer3> I'll join if there is room for me
[15:10] <CimiUDS> ckpringle_: lol
[15:11] <dpm-uds> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/383298df913cb329379b8935f835f2c8cafa0b89
[15:11] <christoffer> still hear it
[15:11] <CimiUDS> just mute mics
[15:11] <dpm-uds> for anyone wanting to join
[15:11] <CimiUDS> yep
[15:11] <christoffer> yea
[15:11] <CimiUDS> :)
[15:11] <ckpringle_> CimiUDS: can you see my lower third?
[15:11] <CimiUDS> ckpringle_: lower third? you mean your name? no
[15:12] <ckpringle_> CimiUDS: now?
[15:12] <CimiUDS> no, but I know who you are :)
[15:12] <nik90> ckpringle_: nope
[15:13] <CimiUDS> dpm-uds: I have the feeling you just have one of your jacks plugged in partly or badly
[15:13] <CimiUDS> ckpringle_: yes now
[15:13] <ckpringle_> CimiUDS: nik90 \o/
[15:15] <rafaelmartinez> Wow!
[15:16] <nik90> ckpringle_: hi
[15:16] <ckpringle_> nik90: hey dude
[15:16] <ckpringle_> nik90: how are you?
[15:16] <rafaelmartinez> so where do we chat? on the left or on the right?
[15:17] <nik90> ckpringle_: great :)
[15:17] <mhall119_uds> rafaelmartinez:here
[15:17] <nik90> ckpringle_: I no longer see you in our design hangouts
[15:18] <ckpringle_> nik90: :( you will again now, I was in Oakland for a sprint then holiday in Portugal :D
[15:18] <ckpringle_> nik90: can't you see my tan?!
[15:18] <rafaelmartinez> mhall119_uds: thanks
[15:19] <nik90> ckpringle_: ah ... hehe
[15:19] <nik90> ckpringle_: you are a very small box in the hangout video at the moment.
[15:20] <ckpringle_> nik90: small box? Smaller than everyone else?
[15:21] <dpm-uds> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide
[15:21] <nik90> ckpringle_: not smaller than evyerone else..but smaller than the current speaker.
[15:23] <csdev> why are there two chats (on the left and on the right)?
[15:24] <nik90> csdev: just use the irc chat (on the left).
[15:24] <csdev> nik90: thanks
[15:24] <nik90> csdev: the chat on the right is just part of etherpad for collaborative editing
[15:27] <nik90> QUESTION: Why cant we use quickly for other stuff like unity-lens creation or web apps template?
[15:30] <nik90> I think qtcreator does not provide syntax highlight for other languages.
[15:30] <nik90> yeah qtcreator is awesome!
[15:31] <nik90> yeah it answered the question
[15:31] <nik90> thnx
[15:32] <faisal-ali> QUESTION: Will the design of the Ubuntu SDK Components change between desktop and mobile (tablet and phone)?
[15:32] <faisal-ali> as in theme
[15:32] <fr33r1d3> We can hear David very bad.
[15:33] <CimiUDS> dpm-uds: check your mic / headphone cable jack!
[15:36] <dpm-uds> CimiUDS, is my mike any better?
[15:37] <CimiUDS> dpm-uds: if you're not muted, it's great now!
[15:38] <CimiUDS> yes!
[15:43] <GuidoPallemans> this may be not so general, but is there anyway that applications send data to each other? I'm thinking about an Intent-like structure from android
[15:46] <GuidoPallemans> thanks!
[15:53] <who_me> I'd be interested. I liked the intro Jono made for Quickly...
[15:55] <dpm-uds> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing
[15:57] <rafaelmartinez> so am I the only one who doesn't see any video?
[16:04] <JoshStrobl> So jonobacon, when are you going to finally get around to that beer? :D
[16:05] <jonobacon> JoshStrobl: when the last session is done :-)
[16:07] <mhall119_uds> waiting for google to get the hangout ready...
[16:07] <jonobacon> mhall119_uds: :-)
[16:07] <jonobacon> drop me a URL when it is up
[16:07] <rafaelmartinez2> brb
[16:08] <mhall119_uds> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7bd48b7a6dc3ce9499ae52e2fb3e1e9d8f160a57?authuser=1&hl=en for anyone who wants to join
[16:10] <nik90> u r live
[16:10] <JoshStrobl> the hangout is live
[16:10] <t1mp> yes, I see the hangout
[16:11] <kaleo_> jonobacon: hangout link?
[16:11] <mhall119_uds> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7bd48b7a6dc3ce9499ae52e2fb3e1e9d8f160a57?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:11] <jonobacon> kaleo_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7bd48b7a6dc3ce9499ae52e2fb3e1e9d8f160a57?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:11] <Kaleo> cheers
[16:25] <kenvandine> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Developing_with_Qt::Performance-Tips
[16:25] <kenvandine> Kaleo, ^^
[16:28] <Kaleo> kenvandine: GPU programming tips https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1L6sXEowkzpUx3gUvO_3q76h9EsMzHSnzzJedjgFzTF0
[16:29] <jonobacon> Kaleo: can we get that content on developer.ubuntu.com ?
[16:33] <schwarzburg> QUESTION: I would like to have more information about plans for including typical mobile needs (e.g. maps / accelerometer / compass /...) directly in the Ubuntu SDK. (The qml-mobile versions I found are mostly about Nokia stuff...)
[16:34] <pmcgowan> mhall119_uds, ^^
[16:37] <GuidoPallemans> So maybe this is a better place to ask if there is a way of communicating with other apps like android has intents?
[16:37] <schwarzburg> mostly , yes
[16:37] <pmcgowan> mhall119_uds, gps API will be available soon
[16:37] <pmcgowan> for maps
[16:37] <GuidoPallemans> just ignore if it isn't relevant :D
[16:37] <Mirv> schwarzburg: qtsensors module is the msot ready to use at the moment, you can for example use it to get acceleration data
[16:37] <schwarzburg> ok, thanks
[16:38] <Kaleo> kenvandine: best performance related documentation: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-performance.html
[16:41] <pmcgowan> Kaleo, is there a good answer to the question about something similar to intents above?
[16:42] <pmcgowan> mhall119_uds, thats the other session running right now, background tasks
[16:44] <bobweaver> is this live ?
[16:45] <mhall119_uds> bobweaver:yes
[16:45] <kenvandine> Kaleo, ha... one of the things to avoid "calling JavaScript functions"
[16:45] <bobweaver> never use guy
[16:45] <bobweaver> gu *
[16:45] <bobweaver> use math
[16:47] <GuidoPallemans> why not let the mainview define what files or links or data the app loads? an app always has exactly one mainview, so...
[16:47] <bobweaver> why not use mimetype the way unity 2d did ?
[16:48] <bobweaver> so application id and  mimetype
[16:48] <t1mp> here is the bug related to the toolbar tests: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1177341
[16:48] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1177341 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Need to expose custom autopilot APIs for Toolbar and Tabs" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Juhapekka Piiroinen (juhapekka-piiroinen)
[16:50] <bobweaver> libunity
[16:50] <GuidoPallemans> ok, that seems like a good solution for the intent problem, if it will be ported
[16:51] <JoshStrobl> Question: Any plans for "email" echoMode / inputMask for Ubuntu SDK's TextField?
[16:51] <pmcgowan> mhall119_uds, yes, it will come from the settings work
[16:52] <bobweaver> why not just set via user and file a sqllight DB ?
[16:52] <bobweaver> QUESTIONS ^^
[16:52] <bobweaver> then users can use DB in there app
[16:52] <bobweaver> like a common DB
[16:52] <JoshStrobl> Questions ^
[16:53] <pmcgowan> date time picker
[16:54] <mhall119_uds> bobweaver:set what?
[16:54] <nik90> JoshStrobl: ping
[16:55] <JoshStrobl> Yes
[16:55] <JoshStrobl> I am developing a two-step authenticator
[16:55] <JoshStrobl> First input is email
[16:55] <JoshStrobl> I'd prefer to not have to deal with validation on the software end, rather just via QML
[16:55] <bobweaver> why not just use Ubuntu SSO in web view
[16:55] <Kaleo> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-textfield.html
[16:56] <Kaleo> validator property
[16:56] <pmcgowan> mhall119_uds, you seem to be getting these posts quite late, maybe the webchat client?
[16:56] <bobweaver> mhall119_uds: set ?
[16:57] <JoshStrobl> alrighty
[16:57] <JoshStrobl> figured I'd ask
[16:57] <Kaleo> JoshStrobl: best is to file a bug so that we don't forget about it
[16:57] <bobweaver> just a suggestion for auth
[16:57] <bobweaver> mhall119_uds: ^^
[16:57] <JoshStrobl> I'd prefer native over webview
[16:57] <bobweaver> like a web engine
[16:57] <pmcgowan> mhall119_uds, ok
[16:58] <GuidoPallemans> why don't you ask the questions in irc too?
[16:58] <bobweaver> not the whole webpage just a idea
[16:58] <sdklfhsdlfjks> is it already possible to have for the ValueSelector an ID with Shown Text... Like a 2D array with id as value and text as what shown in valueselector?
[16:58] <bobweaver> cool
[16:59] <JoshStrobl> mine is specific to my startup, so SSO wouldn't apply since my startup has it's own account system and API system
[17:01] <bobweaver> great I get launch on work now and now there is not sessions
[17:01] <bobweaver> lol
[17:03] <t1mp> sdklfhsdlfjks: ah after some delay I understand your issue now
[17:04] <t1mp> sdklfhsdlfjks: no currently not, the values have to be in the list, so you would have to generate the list from your 2d array
[17:04] <t1mp> sdklfhsdlfjks: but your question makes sense. Can you request the feature by filing a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit ? Please also describe your use case. thanks
[17:20] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhLuZRSOk6U
[18:05] <rickspencer3> o/
[18:05] <bobweaver> \o
[18:06] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/84302806b13ba160f89aa1f22318111f02e1c175?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:08] <rickspencer3> wow, quite a lag!
[18:08] <rickspencer3> like 2 minutes
[18:08] <ara> dpm, you look tired :)
[18:08] <JoshStrobl> yea...
[18:08] <JoshStrobl> lots of lag :\
[18:10] <rickspencer3> 2 minutes :)
[18:19] <dpm> We're currently discussing proposals/feedback for new widgets (in case you're affected by a long lag and you want to suggest any)
[18:19] <schwarzburg_> suggestion: colorpicker
[18:20] <rickspencer3> i think that's a great idea
[18:20] <rickspencer3> my.* in VB
[18:20] <rickspencer3> my.screen.size
[18:21] <rickspencer3> my.time
[18:21] <rickspencer3> etc...
[18:21] <bubbly_> Embeded IRC is not working for me, had to use konversation
[18:21] <JoshStrobl> rickspenser3 -> maybe phone.*
[18:21] <JoshStrobl> *rickspencer
[18:21] <dpm> bubbly_, sorry about that, we're aware of it and will try to fix it as soon as we can
[18:22] <dobey> a gui toolkit wrapper for standard db stuff? sort of like what gnome-db has?
[18:23] <dbarth> qt/qml support sqlite by default, don't they; so it seems to be already covered by the sdk
[18:23] <rickspencer3> yeah! color picker ftw!
[18:23] <rickspencer3> I've needed it a few times
[18:23] <mhall119> dbarth: they do, but there's more setup than necessary
[18:23] <dobey> dbarth: yeah, but not sure if they abstract displaying data so it's really easy to do.
[18:24] <dbarth> right, so it's a matter of having the glue in between and a sample app
[18:25] <rickspencer3> it's like a namespace that pulls together tons of simple stuff
[18:25] <rickspencer3> yeah
[18:25] <rickspencer3> so you don't go hunting around
[18:25] <rickspencer3> then nevermind :)
[18:25] <dobey> SysInfo doesn't tell you anything
[18:26] <dobey> there are multiple things that have it, but there's no single namespace with all the basic things
[18:26] <_NerdyMe_> IDEA: User Account integration with the SDK. If you make an email client you can access the user account login from there without having direct access to the password etc.... in planning or did I just miss it?
[18:27] <dobey> _NerdyMe_: i think that's what the online accounts and keyring apis are for. not sure there's anything special that would fit in qtcreator for that
[18:28] <kenvandine> uoa-create
[18:28] <dbarth> mhall119: do you have a pointer to that api (u1 account)?
[18:28] <kenvandine> lp:account-qml-module
[18:28] <dbarth> ah nice
[18:28] <kenvandine> lp:accounta-qml-module
[18:28] <kenvandine> mhall119, oh yeah... you asked me to put together a toplevel page in the docs
[18:29] <mhall119> kenvandine: oh right, did you?
[18:29] <Kaleo> http://people.canonical.com/~kaleo/progressbar_design.png
[18:29] <kenvandine> mhall119, no :)
[18:29] <mhall119> :P
[18:30] <kenvandine> Kaleo, yes please!
[18:31] <dbarth> kenvandine: sorry, i'm confused, is that working with u1 as well?
[18:31] <bobweaver> This is what I am talking about let the user set the data http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhLuZRSOk6U
[18:31] <Kaleo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1129966
[18:31] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1129966 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[hud] Hidden HUD instance in MainView can cause problems when developers also define their own HUD" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Tim Peeters (tpeeters)
[18:31] <kenvandine> it would be nice if apps didn't need to import Ubuntu.HUD
[18:31] <kenvandine> dbarth, not yet
[18:31] <kenvandine> dbarth, that is a different topic, not sure the status of a u1 SSO plugin for UOA
[18:32] <dbarth> ok
[18:32] <kenvandine> Kaleo, then it would just work on platforms that didn't have HUD
[18:32] <kenvandine> like windows
[18:33]  * kenvandine wants app developers to be able to develop anywhere :)
[18:33] <t1mp> mhall119: It is still under discussion, but currently I think it would be a good idea to do it in the same way as toolbar actions
[18:33] <kenvandine> mhall119, HUD?
[18:33] <Kaleo> kenvandine: I see
[18:33] <kenvandine> yes
[18:33] <CimiUDS> sorry guys for popping in later - I have a question on the date/time picker. Are we considering this independently with a calendar we might want in indicators?
[18:33] <kenvandine> it works now
[18:33] <kenvandine> with the PPA
[18:33] <kenvandine> it works
[18:33] <kenvandine> in the unity HUD
[18:33] <bobweaver> cool kenvandine
[18:34] <Kaleo> CimiUDS: you are the one working on it :)
[18:34] <t1mp> :)
[18:34] <kenvandine> mhall119, right... but they are parallel installable now
[18:34] <bobweaver> kenvandine,  that is the unity-next branch ?
[18:34] <kenvandine> no
[18:34] <bobweaver> kenvandine,  what is branch ?
[18:34] <kenvandine> well, daily-build-next PPA
[18:34] <kenvandine> but standard unity in raring
[18:35] <CimiUDS> Kaleo: calendar and date/time picker are different
[18:35] <daker_> bobweaver: smoking can kill you and we still need you :)
[18:35] <CimiUDS> date time is usually like three sliders we scroll to select day, month, year
[18:35] <CimiUDS> calender is the calendar as we have in the indicators
[18:36] <bobweaver> daker_,  lol
[18:36] <kenvandine> bobweaver, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next
[18:36] <bobweaver> kenvandine,  yeah I am looking at that should I start 13.04 or 13.10 minimal ?
[18:36] <kenvandine> 13.04
[18:36] <kenvandine> works fine
[18:37] <bobweaver> thanks
[18:37] <kenvandine> bobweaver, np
[18:38] <Kaleo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-new-widgets
[18:39] <kenvandine> bobweaver, ok, it was working fine 2 weeks ago :)
[18:39] <CimiUDS> if in the sdk we need to integrate
[18:39] <CimiUDS> the date time picker
[18:39] <CimiUDS> (with three sliders)
[18:39] <kenvandine> bobweaver, it doesn't blow up though, just not finding anything when i search
[18:39] <CimiUDS> or the calendar
[18:39] <CimiUDS> or both :)
[18:39] <t1mp> Kaleo: let me update the blueprint, the generic toolbar is done.
[18:39] <CimiUDS> zsombor proposed having an external library with 'composed widgets'
[18:39] <CimiUDS> that might be useful for other applications
[18:40] <CimiUDS> but not basic enough to be considered for the main sdk
[18:49] <dobey> Kaleo: yeah it would be nice if the qt5 ports of qtmobility libs were packaged up. they're not in raring
[18:49] <Kaleo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-layouting-research-and-prototype
[18:50] <Kaleo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-layouting-implemention
[18:53] <CImiUDS> there's a misunderstanding here, let's put this aside
[18:53] <CImiUDS> I can work on both if you need
[18:54] <dobey> there's lag between the hangout and the live stream "on air" being streamed via youtube
[18:55] <t1mp> Kaleo: the general idea for the tools is to make it super awesome! :)
[18:55] <dpm> We're wrapping up the session, any other questions from IRC?
[18:57] <bubbly> As a kubuntu user I love the fact that the SDK uses qt, as i'm much more familliar with it than gtk
[18:59] <bubbly> How will SDK integrate with other flavours of ubuntu?
[19:00] <t1mp> dpm: ^ question from bubbly
[19:01] <brendand> QUESTION: Is there any plan to support python at any level in the SDK?
[19:02] <mhall119> brendand: not at this time, no, but a Qt5 binding for python should give you everything you need
[19:02] <brendand> mhall119, that's what i was getting at. will those bindings be packaged?
[19:02] <mhall119> brendand: if somebody packages them
[19:03] <dobey> does pyqt support qt5 yet?
[19:03] <t1mp> dobey: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-5-snapshots
[19:03] <dpm> dobey, brendand, I think pyqt supports qt5, pyside doesn't
[19:04] <dobey> cool
[19:04] <brendand> not sure pyside is going anywhere
[19:04] <dpm> and as far as I could tell pyside is more or less dead
[19:04] <dobey> would be nice to get pyqt5 packages in ubuntu then
[19:04] <dpm> last thing I saw waas them planning to do a rewrite before they could port to qt5, so at this point I'd deiscard it as an option to use
[19:04] <dpm> *discard
[19:05] <dpm> and thanks bobweaver, nik90 and everyone on IRC for your participation
[19:06] <mhall119> next session's hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d134e44963d5d5cea08a0a51328ba73889e12b5a?authuser=1&hl=en
[19:07]  * JoshStrobl wonders if there'll be another 2 minute delay :D
[19:08] <mhall119> probably
[19:09] <brendand> dpm, we want checkbox at some point to be able to run on the phablet image
[19:09] <t1mp> "and we're live" <-- now you know how much the delay is
[19:10] <JoshStrobl> "ways to grow our collection..."
[19:10] <JoshStrobl> not much delay it seems
[19:11] <t1mp> and now you see that the video starts for us :)
[19:11] <goddard> i dont have any delay
[19:12] <dpm> brendand, then it might be worth assessing PyQt (and its license), how much of QML it supports.
[19:12] <JoshStrobl> yea there is a video delay
[19:12] <brunogirin> QUESTION: if I create an app, how do I add it to the list?
[19:12] <JoshStrobl> he just said adding Work Items and that happened several minutes ago
[19:12] <JoshStrobl> oh well
[19:12] <faisal-ali> qml and pyside should be possible
[19:13] <t1mp> NOTE: We should not only focus on NEW apps, but also porting existing apps to use Ubuntu SDK
[19:13] <t1mp> ^ that means, re-writing the graphical part of the app in QML using our UITK
[19:13] <dpm> brendand, but it might just be as easy to create a qml frontend for Checkbox
[19:14] <brendand> dpm, thats what i was hoping to be able to do
[19:14] <t1mp> brendand: what is checkbox? url?
[19:14] <t1mp> is it the name of an app?
[19:14] <goddard> what is the google plus community?
[19:14] <brendand> t1mp - it's the 'System Testing' app
[19:15] <faisal-ali> goddard: https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549
[19:15] <brendand> dpm, i just hope we won't have problems gluing the qml to the python3 backend
[19:16] <t1mp> if we add existing apps to d.u.c, they can also be used as examples/tutorials
[19:16] <brendand> dpm, due to the fact that pyqt was not packaged in 11.10 we ended up having a compromise solution with Qt UI code glued to the python backend via dbus
[19:17] <victorp> dpm, I didnt even know the collection existed until you mentioned
[19:18] <t1mp> mhall119: there is a link to posts on the blog on https://developer.ubuntu.com/, but not a prominent link to the blog itself
[19:18] <t1mp> or maybe I am not seeing it
[19:19] <t1mp> mhall119: ok I can find it via community :)
[19:20] <victorp> dpm, perhaps and option on the SDK where you can install the apps with onclick via QTCreator
[19:20] <victorp> when I was starting finding source and what you can actually do with qml help to think about it
[19:21] <t1mp> you can install on devices via qtcreator :)
[19:22] <victorp> t1mp, exactly
[19:22] <victorp> I meant a one-click
[19:22] <popey> victorp: you can
[19:22] <popey> victorp: CTRL+F12
[19:22] <victorp> guys
[19:22] <victorp>  I meant as example apps
[19:22] <popey> ahh
[19:22] <popey> yes, samples within qtcreator?
[19:22] <victorp> i.e install sample apps on the phone
[19:23] <popey> yes, the sdk guys are working on that actually
[19:23] <popey> they want to have a "gallery" in qtcreator which is like the ubuntu software centre
[19:23] <popey> has a bunch of apps which you could choose from and see the code and build upon it
[19:23] <popey> which can be added to over time, more examples
[19:23] <victorp> IMHO collection should eventually be a set of example/showcase app
[19:26] <victorp> dpm kickstarter :)
[19:27] <popey> hah
[19:27] <victorp> popey, that is how I am funding dogfight v2.0
[19:27] <victorp> :P
[19:27] <popey> I'll pay!
[19:27]  * kenvandine chips in
[19:27] <victorp> will 1.0 is not even finished
[19:27] <popey> Here, take 0.0000000000000000000000000001 Bitcoins
[19:27] <victorp> lol!
[19:29] <victorp> BB!)
[19:29] <victorp> BB10 even
[19:29] <brunogirin> mhall119: WebOS
[19:29] <victorp> blackberry is qml based
[19:29] <popey> I'd love to see a series of youtube videos from _someone_ going from Zero to Hero
[19:30] <victorp> qt forums - digia
[19:30] <victorp> ?
[19:30] <t1mp> wow! there is an xkcd app! \o/ :)
[19:30] <faisal-ali> In terms of games, there are a lot of HTML5 games. Reaching out to groups at reddit.com/r/gamedev to package their HTML5 games for Ubuntu Touch.
[19:30] <kenvandine> victorp, how easy is it to find source for blackberry apps?
[19:30]  * t1mp installing :)
[19:30] <popey> faisal-ali: good idea
[19:31] <victorp> kenvandine, easy for the developer ;)
[19:31] <kenvandine> any open source ones?
[19:31] <victorp> I am sure that BB is doing developer events, we should just gate crash
[19:32] <bobweaver> victorp,  http://qt-project.org/forums
[19:32] <bubbly> blackberry apple and android developers don't let source out to just anyone
[19:32] <black_puppydog> re html5 games: get plugins/exporters out for things like construct2, just to draw people?
[19:32] <kenvandine> that's what i thought
[19:32] <black_puppydog> it's mostly jscript I guess...
[19:33] <popey> nik90: heh, i just created the trello board before we caught up with the video where you said you'd do it ☻
[19:33] <popey> nik90: give me your trello ID and I'll add you to it
[19:33] <nik90> popey: 1 sec
[19:34] <popey> nvm, found you!
[19:34] <nik90> popey: nice :)
[19:35] <victorp> mhall119 this game (maroon) should be ported for Ubuntu. Greate little game https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtdeclarative/trees/c81d942ab0297cf894f2dd20700b4188afa07c25/examples/demos/maroon
[19:36] <bobweaver> http://necessitas.kde.org/
[19:37] <popey> nik90: let me know if you have a problem getting into it
[19:37] <victorp> bobweaver, that looks good
[19:37] <t1mp> QUESTION: If I talk with a Qt app developer, how do I convince them that Ubuntu is the coolest platform to develop for?
[19:37] <kenvandine> victorp, i think i have a branch somewhere for maroon
[19:37] <t1mp> or more general, a mobile app developer
[19:38] <kenvandine> not finished... but i started it at some point
[19:38] <popey> victorp: https://trello.com/victorpalau is you?
[19:38] <victorp> popey, it is
[19:38] <popey> added to trello
[19:38] <bubbly> lol "...and also in the embedded world. Qt is a C++ framework, which is a plus if you don't like Java that much. "
[19:38] <victorp> we were using it, but not anymore... we move to LKK because of you!!!
[19:38] <victorp> :)
[19:38] <popey> haha
[19:38] <popey> and we left LKK ☻
[19:38] <bubbly> or java at ALL
[19:39] <nik90> popey: if works .. no issues
[19:39] <popey> win
[19:39] <t1mp> mhall119: good answer :) thanks
[19:39] <bubbly> all-in-one platform FTW
[19:39] <t1mp> dpm, mhall119 thanks :) more good points
[19:40] <bubbly> So will the mobile os reach a final version by 13.10
[19:40] <popey> t1mp: also we have a spaceman, spacemen are cool right?
[19:41] <popey> Yeah, we're unashamed pimps!
[19:41] <bobweaver> https://plus.google.com/photos/106122674051576198224/albums/5853418872568994097/5853418876682214290?authkey=CInYtqmGocDR1wE
[19:41] <t1mp> popey: of course! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCCngdz-LY
[19:42] <popey> video froze for me
[19:43] <t1mp> popey: the conclusion is "nothing beats an astronaut"
[19:43] <popey> haha t1mp ☻
[19:43] <bubbly> by final i did mean a stable release, although i consider the first stable to be the last beta :)
[19:43] <JoshStrobl> Yea, I think saying "your app could be used by a former astronaut" is a pretty compelling reason to develop for Ubuntu Phone.
[19:44] <goddard> what phone should I get?
[19:44] <goddard> to install ubuntu on?
[19:44] <mhall119_test> goddard: Nexus 4
[19:45] <JoshStrobl> +1 to the Nexus 4
[19:46] <popey> galaxy nexus if price is an issue
[19:46] <victorp> dpm I would help on a particles tutorial :)
[19:46] <popey> ooh!
[19:46] <goddard> will the nexus 4 work on sprint?
[19:46] <victorp> galaxy nexus is nice
[19:46] <goddard> samsung galaxy nexus?
[19:46] <popey> yues
[19:47] <popey> -u
[19:47] <dpm> victorp, excellent, I'll sign you up for that, thanks!
[19:47] <victorp> goddard, a qemu image
[19:48] <victorp> that will be good
[19:48] <popey> bobweaver: we're currently looking at the best way to setup a VM
[19:48] <bubbly> How will we convince sprint kricket vorizon etc. to support ubuntu for phones, they care alot more about money than anything
[19:48] <bobweaver> thanks popey
[19:48] <popey> bubbly: we dont need to, thats for commercial sales people ☻
[19:49] <t1mp> angry tux!
[19:49] <victorp> mhall119 you can do that with particles
[19:49] <bubbly> t1 mp,^ Yes
[19:49] <t1mp> oh, it exists, of course :)
[19:49] <popey> is the video freezing up for anyone else?
[19:50] <schwarzburg_> yes, all the time
[19:50] <popey> ah ok
[19:51] <victorp> mhall119 you can work out gravity and physics with particles
[19:51] <JoshStrobl> I don't think Google+ Hangouts can handle all the amazing sessions going on right now.
[19:51] <JoshStrobl> :P
[19:51] <victorp> you could easily write angrybirds with particles
[19:51] <goddard> victorp: i need to buy a new phone but i am on a cdma network so trying to figure out a good phone for my network and will work with ubuntu
[19:51] <goddard> i guess i can always use the qemu image
[19:52] <goddard> my video is fine probably just your connection
[19:53] <bobweaver> http://gitorious.org/tiled/   http://box2d.org/      http://www.mapeditor.org/
[19:53] <victorp> mhall119 it gives you something like it. That is what I use to hit devices
[19:53] <bobweaver> https://launchpad.net/~mapeditor.org/+archive/tiled
[19:54] <bobweaver> http://gitorious.org/qmlarcade
[19:55] <bobweaver> mario game I wrote with box and tiled/s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwc4sn_RYZk
[19:55] <goddard> we can go as long as we want!
[19:56] <dpm> we're wrapping up the session, any other ideas on IRC?
[19:56] <popey> looks good
[19:57] <victorp> mhall119 is you are interested the component to work out impact is called Affector
[19:57] <mhall119_test> victorp: is that part of the Particles library?
[19:57] <victorp> mhall119 yeap
[19:58] <victorp> something to do maps will be awesome
[19:58] <bubbly> really wish i was viewing this in Ubuntu, but right now i'm forced to use my Arch
[19:58] <victorp> maps of game levels I meant
[19:59] <victorp> bye bye
[19:59] <popey> \o/
[19:59] <popey> excellent session


[00:00] <azend> It's fine as long as you have a cover story :)
[00:01] <azend> At Diyode, one of our members gave some teenagers some stickers and told them to put them up wherever they felt
[00:01] <BobJonkman2> There's always the bulletin boards at the grocery store
[00:01] <azend> There are now Diyode stickers all around downtown
[00:01] <azend> free advertising
[00:01] <BobJonkman2> OK, I'm going to drop off...
[00:02] <azend> Have an egg roll good time!
[00:02] <BobJonkman2> And it's 8:00pm here in EDT, so probably time to pack it up.
[00:03] <BobJonkman2> Thanx to everyone who joined in (some of whom have already left)
[00:03] <BobJonkman2> See you next month!
[00:03] <BobJonkman2> #endmeeting
[00:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 23 00:03:29 2013 UTC.
[00:03] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2013/ubuntu-ca.2013-08-22-23.00.moin.txt
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[00:04] <azend> BobJonkman2: Penny Whistle has been booked for the 29th
[00:04] <azend> aww
[00:05] <azend> Made sure they give us a spot with power


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[07:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1920 Failed to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtscript-opensource-src, yakkety/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src). Pending binary packages (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, yakkety/qtscript-opensource-src, yakkety/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles)
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1929 Publishing packages
[08:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1929 Publish failed: Packaging diff requires ACK
[08:57] <pete-woods> anyone happy to give me a packaging ACK?
[08:57] <pete-woods> it's making the changes asked for in the package's MIR (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1612259)
[08:57] <pete-woods> so pretty sure they are good
[09:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1929 Successfully built
[09:12] <pete-woods> trainguards: any of you guys allowed to do this?
[09:12] <pete-woods> ^
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1931 Generating diffs
[09:28] <Mirv> pete-woods: done!
[09:28] <pete-woods> Mirv: much appreciated! :)
[09:28] <Mirv> no problem
[09:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1929 Publishing packages
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[09:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 QA Signoff: Failed
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[09:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Currently building (vivid/mir, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/mir, yakkety/qtmir-gles). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir)
[10:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Currently building (yakkety/mir). Failed to build (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
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[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, yakkety/qtscript-opensource-src, yakkety/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtwebkit-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Preparing packages
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[11:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Preparing packages
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1888 QA Signoff: Ready
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Currently building (vivid/mir, yakkety/mir). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[12:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Successfully built
[12:05] <Mirv> jibel: what about the language pack updates? I see 20160909 packages were landed in stable overlay. is it ok for stable-snapshot to be kept at 20160902?
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1930 QA Signoff: Approved
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Currently building (yakkety/mir). Failed to build (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Pending binary packages (vivid/webbrowser-app, xenial/webbrowser-app, yakkety/qtubuntu, yakkety/webbrowser-app). Successfully built (vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/qtubuntu-gles)
[12:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Failed to build
[12:37] <ChrisTownsend>  jibel: You guys are failing https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 even though it makes things better and has no regressions?
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Currently building (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtscript-opensource-src, yakkety/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtwebkit-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles)
[12:41] <ChrisTownsend> jibel: I need to drop off for a while, so I'll follow up when I'm back online.
[12:44] <jibel> vigo, ^
[12:45] <vigo> jibel, ack
[12:51] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, I pinged kevandine before failing it but he wasn't available I think
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1909 Abandoning ticket
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1934 Generating diffs
[13:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Successfully built
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1934 Pending binary packages
[13:19] <jibel> vigo, I meant what you found is a regression or not?
[13:19] <jibel> vigo, with the silo installed
[13:19] <jibel> is the situation better or worse?
[13:20] <vigo> jibel, a little better but keeps failing between X apps
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtscript-opensource-src, yakkety/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtwebkit-opensource-src). Pending binary packages (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles)
[13:22] <ChrisTownsend> jibel: Ok, back
[13:22] <vigo> it might work the first time between gedit and office, but it will fail eventually
[13:22] <ChrisTownsend> Oh, I see you're discussing.
[13:23] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: So, in the failure scenario, and you closing the X apps and restarting, or just copy the same text and pasting, or copying new text and pasting?
[13:23] <ChrisTownsend> * are you
[13:24] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: I had much different results copy & pasting between X apps with the silo than without the silo.
[13:24] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: So I'm trying to understand your *exact* scenario as it's a little vague to me.
[13:25] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, with silo installed is better, sure
[13:25] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: But if I read your card comments correctly, 4 out of 5 previous failure scenarios are now fixed?
[13:25] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: So I'm of the opinion there is no regression and it makes it better.
[13:26] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: So how does it fail?
[13:27] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, it fails for example between Gedit and LibreOffice that test case, I'll check it again
[13:28] <vigo> it might work the first attemp, but seems like if you repeat it some times it stops working
[13:29] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: By repeat, do you mean, you copy new text in gedit and paste that to LO, or you are just trying to paste the same text to LO, or something else?
[13:31] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, copy new text in gedit and paste that to LO that did not work my 2nd and 3rt attemp
[13:31] <vigo> and also vice versa
[13:31] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: Ok, I'll try it
[13:31] <vigo> if you close both x apps and restart
[13:32] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: Ok, so closing them, and restarting them seems to be the trigger?
[13:33] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, nope, let me paste you a test case
[13:33] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: Ok, thanks
[13:34] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: But my whole point is hat this works better than before and no new regressions have occurred, so why is the silo failed?
[13:35] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, yeah is defenitely better I though that was a regression
[13:37] <vigo> my mistake
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1895 Dependency wait (yakkety/address-book-app). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/location-service, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/location-service, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/location-service)
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Dependency wait (yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-meta)
[13:39] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: No worries, just wanted to set this straight.
[13:40] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: However, please let me know your exact failure scenario.  I've yet to reproduce it trying what I think you are doing.
[13:43] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, https://pastebin.canonical.com/165277/
[13:43] <vigo> this is what I did between them
[13:44] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: Ok, thanks, I will try it.
[13:46] <kenvandine> ChrisTownsend, i reproduced that
[13:47] <kenvandine> it'
[13:47] <kenvandine> it's pasting what i had in the previous paste buffer
[13:47] <kenvandine> not the latest paste
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-network)
[13:48] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Hmm, I could not reproduce that.
[13:48] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: I'll try again after rebooting my frieza.
[13:48] <kenvandine> ChrisTownsend, however... if i select text in a native app and copy it
[13:48] <kenvandine> it works
[13:48] <kenvandine> it pastes the proper text from the native app into gedit and LO fine
[13:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1866 Chroot problem (yakkety/indicator-transfer-buteo). Dependency wait (yakkety/sync-monitor). Failed to build (vivid/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/libqofono, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/sync-monitor, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gsettings
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: Or you in windowed mode when doing this?
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: *Are you
[13:49] <kenvandine> i just did it in windowed mode
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Ok.  I'll try again.
[13:49] <kenvandine> so it's weird
[13:49] <vigo> ChrisTownsend, yes windowed forgot to mention that
[13:50] <kenvandine> once i copied again from a native app and pasted in gedit
[13:50] <ChrisTownsend> Ok, I'm in windowed mode too.
[13:50] <kenvandine> i typed new text into gedit
[13:50] <kenvandine> copied it
[13:50] <kenvandine> and pasted in LO fine
[13:50] <kenvandine> the right text
[13:50] <kenvandine> now i've copied 3 times between LO and gedit and it works perfectly
[13:50] <ChrisTownsend> Well, I'm still of the opinion this silo is much better than what we currently have even if there are a few rough edges.
[13:51] <kenvandine> for me it was only the 2nd text i copied that didn't work
[13:51] <kenvandine> it's definately an improvement
[13:52] <kenvandine> now 7 times in a row it works
[13:52] <kenvandine> i just hit the failure once there
[13:52] <kenvandine> not sure what's up with that
[13:52] <kenvandine> i guess the copy failed once
[13:52] <kenvandine> it's not the paste failing
[13:53] <kenvandine> copy wasn't updating the stack
[13:53] <kenvandine> ChrisTownsend, what's interesting is once the stack got updated by copying from a native app
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-network, yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session). Failed to build (yakkety/indicator-display). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-datetime). Successfully built (yakkety/hud, yakket
[13:53] <kenvandine> it seemed to fix everything
[13:55] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Well, it seems there is still a bug in there.  I'm just having a hard time reproducing it.  But my frieza keeps acting up when I connect a BT mouse:(
[13:55] <dobey> err
[13:56] <dobey> what's up with bileto?
[13:56] <vigo> kenvandine, I'll land it ;)
[13:56] <kenvandine> vigo, thx
[13:56] <ChrisTownsend> vigo: Thanks
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine renato boiko tiagosh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1774 Dependency wait (yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-service, vivid/history-service, vivid/libphonenumber, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/libphonenumber, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/address-book-service, yakkety/history-servi
[13:57] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Ok, I think I just saw it.
[13:57] <dobey> sigh
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1895 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/location-service, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/location-service, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/location-service)
[13:58] <dobey> i guess robru broke the URLs or something
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-meta)
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Successfully built
[14:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1866 Chroot problem (yakkety/indicator-transfer-buteo). Failed to build (vivid/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/libqofono, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/sync-monitor, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/libqofono,
[14:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session). Failed to build (yakkety/indicator-display). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-datetime). Successfully built (yakkety/hud, yakkety/indicator-application, ya
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1934 Successfully built
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 QA Signoff: Approved
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 Publishing packages
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 Publish failed: Packaging diff requires ACK
[14:21] <jibel> Mirv, can you copy silos 1927 and 1930 to the satble-snapshot
[14:21] <jibel> ?
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 Publishing packages
[14:25] <Elleo> 22
[14:25] <Elleo> oops
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1930 Publishing packages
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1930 Publish failed: Bad merges
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1930 Publishing packages
[14:35] <Mirv> jibel: yes
[14:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Preparing packages
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1860 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, yakkety/qtscript-opensource-src, yakkety/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtwebkit-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles)
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 Proposed pocket (yakkety/libertine). Release pocket (vivid/libertine, xenial/libertine)
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1930 Proposed pocket (yakkety/usensord). Release pocket (vivid/usensord, xenial/usensord)
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Failed to build (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mir)
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Publishing packages
[15:20] <jhodapp> vigo, ping
[15:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Publish failed: Packaging diff requires ACK
[15:20] <vigo> jhodapp, hey
[15:20] <jhodapp> vigo, just curious if you saw my comment on the media-hub/mediaplayer-app silo card on the trello board?
[15:21] <jhodapp> vigo, there's really no possible way that this landing introduced any regressions
[15:21] <vigo> jhodapp, I was reading :)
[15:22] <vigo> I'm testing without silo
[15:22] <jhodapp> ok
[15:23] <jhodapp> vigo, if you do see any regressions it would be because something in the base system changed
[15:23] <vigo> jhodapp, ack
[15:23] <jhodapp> vigo, thanks
[15:25] <vigo> jhodapp, I think I just hit some edge cases in desktop mode
[15:27] <vigo> jhodapp, do you know if is 3gp supported?
[15:28] <vigo> I guess it isn't
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Preparing packages
[15:42] <jibel> slangasek, hi, could you build new rc images for all the devices?
[15:44] <jhodapp> vigo, what test plan are you following?
[15:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Successfully built
[15:50] <vigo> jhodapp, jibel told me to stop this silo, we must discuss how to handle snap before getting into testing
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1929 Release pocket
[15:50] <vigo> it is back to Ready for testing lane
[15:50] <jhodapp> vigo, yeah that's a great discussion to have...I asked davmor2 last week and he mentioned that there isn't really much of a plan quite yet
[15:51] <vigo> jhodapp, that's it
[15:51] <vigo> :)
[15:51] <jibel> jhodapp, sorry for the confusion, it's the first snap verification and the process is not very well defined yet
[15:51] <jibel> we'll come back to it asap
[15:52] <jhodapp> jibel, no problem, happy to wait for a clearer process as it'll become a much more common thing from our team and other teams going forward
[15:52] <jhodapp> jibel, if I can help in the discussion let me know
[15:52] <jibel> jhodapp, thanks, I will
[15:57] <robru> dobey: what issue are you seeing?
[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-touch
[16:10] <robru> dobey: I did change the URLs for excuses files but I don't see how that would affect you since the URLs are just recorded in the tickets
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-meta)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity-system-compositor, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity-system-compositor, xenia
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1930 Release pocket
[16:36] <dobey> robru: /#/user/dobey no longer works
[16:36] <robru> dobey: oh sorry, it's https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/active?landers=dobey now
[16:37] <dobey> robru: maybe add redirects when you change URLs? my browser history is useless now. also parts of the page still point to old URLs
[16:38] <robru> dobey: will do. what links are broken? I thought I got them all.
[16:38] <dobey> robru: "Lander IRC Nicks" still points to /#/user/$foo
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-touch
[16:39] <dobey> robru: i also noticed that the 404 page seems pretty broken when i go to /#/user/dobey, showing me as logged out, log in doesn't work, and shows "0 active" and such
[16:39] <robru> hmm
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-meta)
[17:08] <robru> faenil: I updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1621924, can you take another look please?
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1927 Release pocket
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1932 Preparing packages
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[17:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1895 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/location-service, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/location-service, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/location-service, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ssweeny tvoss vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1922 Failed to build (xenial/location-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/location-service). Successfully built (vivid/location-service)
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1623 QA Signoff: Required
[17:47] <faenil> robru: eod already
[17:48] <faenil> robru: btw, what if it downloads but fails to install?
[17:48] <robru> noooooooooooooooooooooo
[17:48] <robru> faenil: patches welcome
[17:48] <faenil> that should still be a failure
[17:48] <faenil> robru: what do you mean :D that's what the bug is about :D
[17:48] <faenil> don't reboot when you shouldn't :D
[17:49] <robru> faenil: seriously I don't know how parseable the output from apt is, I don't think what you're asking for is really possible with shell scripts
[17:49] <faenil> robru: ok
[17:51] <pmcgowan> robru, can you check the exit code from the apt command and look for success
[17:52] <robru> pmcgowan: not sure, I would be surprised if the exit code survived through all the layers of sudo and adb shell
[17:52] <pmcgowan> maybe not
[17:52] <robru> pmcgowan: faenil the script is already 'set -e' so if apt failures aren't aborting the script I don't think there's much we can do
[17:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1895 QA Signoff: Required
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1536 QA Signoff: Required
[18:05] <faenil> robru: alright
[18:12] <faenil> pmcgowan: apt will return success even in cases where I'd expect failure, iirc
[18:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1932 Successfully built
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ssweeny tvoss vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1922 Preparing packages
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ssweeny tvoss vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1922 yakkety/location-service: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~vicamo/location-service/gps-arm64
[18:19] <robru> faenil: pmcgowan: true, '0 packages upgraded' is an apt success but we want to consider that a failure.
[18:19] <robru> but even still, I'm pretty sure adb is eating the exit code anyway
[18:19] <faenil> I wouldn't expect "failure" there, but yeah, we agree
[18:32] <robru> faenil: ok I have an idea, just need to cobble it togehter
[18:33] <faenil> robru: cool
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ssweeny tvoss vicamo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1922 Failed to build (xenial/location-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/location-service). Successfully built (vivid/location-service)
[18:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Preparing packages
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[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1932 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/phablet-tools). Successfully built (vivid/phablet-tools, xenial/phablet-tools)
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1826 QA Signoff: Ready
[19:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1802 Preparing packages
[19:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1175 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/address-book-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/libqofono, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-touch-meta, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libqofono, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-touch-meta, yakkety/libqofono, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-meta)
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[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1802 Currently building (yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch). Pending binary packages (vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scope-click, yakkety/unity-scope-click)
[20:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
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[20:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1932 Pending binary packages
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[21:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1932 Successfully built
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[22:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1932 Pending binary packages
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[04:40] <ProfMac> I have a seed file that installs with lvm partitions on 14.04.3.  It is not totally clean, but it is at the point that I can match the results and /var/log/syslog, and make forward progress in modifying my preseed file.  Yeah!
[04:41] <ProfMac> The biggest step forward was to quit trying to get 12.04.5 to respond meaningfully :-)
[04:50] <CarlFK> ProfMac: hey there
[04:53] <ProfMac> CarlFK, hey there
[04:53] <CarlFK> maybe you can help. I am installing to an ssd that shows up as Apr 21 04:21:05 frontend: --> SET partman-auto/disk /dev/nvme0n1
[04:53] <CarlFK> but I am getting  "no root filesystem defined"
[04:53] <ProfMac> oh lord.  I have known about preseeding for almost a week now...
[04:54] <CarlFK> well, you are doing disky things.  I just try to go with the default
[04:55] <ProfMac> Yep, I see that error a lot.  Do you know about running an xterm during the install, and running gedit /var/log/syslog to see what is happening while the install is still alive?
[04:57] <CarlFK> kinda  - all my installs use the text based installer.  so no x anything.. and I have a script that scp's all the logs and stuff to another box so I can use vim and whatever tools
[04:57] <ProfMac> Are you running the standard vanilla install from the distribution disk, or are you doing more customization.
[04:57] <CarlFK> oh, and cut/paste lines int irc. like up there
[04:58] <ProfMac> ah.  You are more advanced than I am there.  I can't throw an xterm to another machine yet.
[04:58] <CarlFK> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
[04:59] <CarlFK> put that on what we will call the pxe server
[04:59] <CarlFK> target machie, bios set to pxe boot that
[04:59] <ProfMac> My most recent misadventure with no root filesystem was when I somehow specified a lvm group, but never attached one of them to a physical disk.
[05:00] <ProfMac> cool.
[05:00] <CarlFK> then the kernel append, preseed.cfg and those scripts all live on the server
[05:00] <CarlFK> I can edit, save, reboot the target, ... don't have to move usb sticks around
[05:00] <ProfMac> got it.  sounds clever, and real work related.
[05:05] <ProfMac> This is all too new for me to offer good advice, but the old approach of only change 1 thing, keep good logs, append unixtime to filenames, sort of at random led me to my first success, occurring as we speak.
[05:06] <CarlFK> yay!
[06:00] <CarlFK> welp.. tried to install zesty... grub-installer didn't error, but bios says "insert boot device and hit any key"
[06:02] <CarlFK> bed time now.  will poke again tomorrow.
[06:14] <ProfMac> good luck.


[08:24] <dholbach> good morning
[16:05] <trijntje> Hi all, do I need to submit a feature freeze request for bug  1280332
[16:05] <trijntje> to get the package into trusty
[16:10] <trijntje> ping dholbach, you replied to my bug earlier, can you give me some advice on how to proceed?
[16:14] <dholbach> hi trijntje - I'm a bit busy right now - I was sort of hoping that another reviewer (who's part of 'ubuntu-sponsors') could take care of it
[16:16] <dholbach> can somebody help trijntje with bug 1280332?
[16:16] <trijntje> dholbach: no problem, thanks for your time.
[16:17] <trijntje> to everybody else: this is my first time going through this procedure, so please let me know if I made a mistake or need to take additional steps
[16:18] <mitya57> trijntje: Yes, you need a FFe request as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages
[16:21] <trijntje> mitya57: an earlier version of the package is already in the repository
[16:21] <trijntje> so I probably have to follow the steps for an exception for new upstream versions?
[16:21]  * mitya57 looks
[16:22] <mitya57> trijntje: Ah, I see. Then the bug shouldn't have [needs-packaging] in the subject, which is confusing.
[16:22] <mitya57> trijntje: Do you have a diff between current and new versions somewhere?
[16:26] <trijntje> mitya57: ill have to check the bzr of the project for that, hold on
[16:27] <mitya57> Is it https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defaults-nl-team/ubuntu-defaults-nl/ubuntu-defaults-nl/revision/12?remember=5&compare_revid=5 ?
[16:29] <trijntje> yes
[16:30] <trijntje> the main difference with the current version is that some of the dutch radiostations changed their stream url
[16:31] <trijntje> current = currently in the repository
[16:33] <mitya57> Then you don't need an FFe I think
[16:33] <mitya57> Maybe I will sponsor it right now, even
[16:36] <trijntje> that would be great, thanks for helping me out
[16:51] <mitya57> trijntje: Can I use version number 6 instead of 12+6~ubuntu14.04.1 ?
[16:52] <mitya57> Also, do you have a changelog entry somewhere, or should I write one for you?
[16:52] <trijntje> mitya57: version number 6 is fine, the one in the repo now has 5
[16:53] <trijntje> I'm afraid I haven't kept a changelog in the package
[16:54] <trijntje> the main changes from the bzr log are
[16:54] <mitya57> OK, so I'll build it myself :)
[16:54] <trijntje>   Added COPYING file with GPL 3
[16:54] <trijntje>   Removed empty background.jpg
[16:54] <trijntje>   Updated changed urls for radiostations, added ClassicFM
[16:55] <mitya57> trijntje: Oh, did you drop ubuntu-defaults-nl binary package?
[16:55] <mitya57> Also launchers.txt was updated
[16:56] <trijntje> mitya57: yes, defaults-nl was for compatibility with a ppa I had for 12.04, and it's no longer needed
[16:56] <trijntje> and I also added a launcher for ubuntu-docs to the launchers.txt file
[16:57] <mitya57> I'm afraid we still need to keep it, as a transitional package
[16:57] <mitya57> I.e. it should be priority: extra and section: oldlibs
[16:57] <mitya57> and depend on new package
[16:58] <trijntje> for how long should it be kept?
[16:58] <mitya57> You will be able to drop it after trusty release
[16:58] <mitya57> I.e. for 2 months L)
[16:59] <mitya57> That was ":)"
[17:00] <trijntje> mitya57: ok, I'll add it back and commit it to launchpad
[17:00] <mitya57> Don't worry, I will do that myself
[17:01] <mitya57> trijntje: Wh are you overriding dh_install, instead of passing --with ubuntu_defaults to dh sequencer?
[17:02] <mitya57> *Why
[17:04] <trijntje> mitya57: I'm not sure, I think that was part of the boilerplate I used
[17:04] <mitya57> Ah, ignore that, it doesn't have a .pm file so that won't work
[17:05] <mitya57> trijntje: last question: why did you drop the -nl package and not -nl-nl? The name with one -nl looks much better to me...
[17:06] <trijntje> it has to do with the way languae codes work, in theory someone else could create a similar package for belgium, which would be nl-be
[17:06] <trijntje> (both countries have a duch speaking population)
[17:06] <mitya57> OK
[17:07] <trijntje> I agree it doesn't look very nice, but the main purpose of the package is to enable the creation of custom duch ubuntu images, so it will be rare for users to install the package manually
[17:15] <mitya57> trijntje: One more question: you added some .desktop files to launchers list, but didn't add the relevant packages dependencies
[17:16] <mitya57> That sounds like a bug
[17:17] <trijntje> yeah, I should have removed 'gemeenschap', since adding custom launchers is not allowed
[17:17] <trijntje> I did not add a dependency for yelp, since thats installed by default on ubuntu (thats the 'help' application)
[17:17] <mitya57> Mmh, maybe
[17:18] <trijntje> I do know it fails gracefully, since I completely forgot to remove the entry for gemeenchap after I removed the gemeenschap.desktop file
[17:19] <trijntje> and I didn't end up with a 'missing icon' on the launcher or something like that, so the package still 'works' without yelp, maybe it should recommend it?
[17:20] <mitya57> Not sure,  I think relying on default install is fine
[17:22] <mitya57> trijntje: Uploaded!
[17:25] <trijntje> mitya57: awesome, thanks a lot! Is there like an upload queue I can monitor to see when it will be available
[17:26] <mitya57> trijntje: you'll get an email when it migrates, usually takes ~an hour
[17:28] <trijntje> mitya57: ok, thanks again for helping me out, I'll be waiting for that email ;)
[17:29] <mitya57> You are welcome :)


[09:29] <caribou> Any quick git trick to know when a specific commit made it to the Ubuntu kernel ?
[09:34] <smb> caribou, Generally (if it does not have to be automated), search for the commit message in git log, then you can use that sha1 in a "git describe --contains"
[09:34] <smb> All usually on the master branch
[09:35] <caribou> smb: I already had the hash thanks looks like it's what I need
[09:36] <smb> caribou, The last step of course is usually to ask rmadison where that version is (-proposed or -updates)
[15:32] <arges> apw: discussing bug 1323165
[15:32] <arges> looks like the patch is in master-next but the bug status wasn't updated
[15:33] <apw> yes that appears to be wrong, it has a bug link so it should just be flipped as you suggest
[15:35] <arges> cool
[15:35] <rtg> looks like the patch committer was too lazy or stupid to do the right thing.
[15:37] <apw> lets assume lazy :)