[09:16] <sakrecoer> what would happen if no one test runs the 14.04.5 release?
[15:24] <zequence> Rosco2: Seems the ISOs are rebuilding. Once finished, I could help with testing. At least on virtual machine.
[15:26] <zequence> Going zsync the old ones, to save some time when the new ones arrive.
[15:27] <Rosco2> snap - exactly the same here
[15:27] <Rosco2> can't do real hardware as I had hard disk failure before the hols
[15:27] <Rosco2> My spare disks are all in use :-)
[15:28] <zequence> Actually, I could even do hardware. I have an old laptop that I never use.
[15:28] <Rosco2> I will probably at least do a live CD on the laptop
[15:28] <Rosco2> live session
[16:08] <Rosco2> Still zsyncing the old ISOs. Based on other flavours, the new image will pop up soon
[16:09]  * Rosco2 goes to eat something
[16:10] <zequence> Same here. zsyncs almost done.
[17:29] <zequence> Been a few hours now..
[17:35] <Rosco2> Yeah - US, EdUbubt & Desktop still building
[17:37] <Rosco2> Still downloading the old 386 ISO anyway - didn't have that for trusty for some reason
[19:35] <zequence> Rosco2: 32 bits is available. If you want to do that, I can wait for the 64bit and do that.
[19:36] <zequence> Oh, both are done.
[19:36] <zequence> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/trusty/dvd/20160803/
[19:36] <zequence> The rebuild was a pretty quick now.
[19:37] <zequence> xsyncing the amd64 one
[19:37] <zequence> zsyncing*
[19:40] <Rosco2> launchpad & iso tracker were unavailable for 15 minutes back
[19:41] <zequence> Ah, no I see that the 64bit build is the same as before.
[19:42] <zequence> So, only the 32bit is new
[19:42] <Rosco2> But it is still building according to launchpad Livefs page
[19:42] <Rosco2> Strange
[19:43] <zequence> Perhaps it is doing the auto testing
[19:43] <zequence> Though, the 32bit is in current now
[19:43] <zequence> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/trusty/dvd/current/
[19:47] <Rosco2> zsyncing 386 now
[19:51] <Rosco2> 386 full install started
[19:53] <zequence> Ok, I'll do the next one.
[20:05] <zequence> ..if it ever completes. The build seems to have failed
[20:06] <zequence> I might be able to do the testing tomorrow at work.
[20:08] <krytarik> zequence: That was just because it was cancelled though.
[20:11] <Rosco2> iso tracker and launchpad unavailable here again
[20:11] <Rosco2> Makes it hard to keep track onm the building status!
[20:12] <krytarik> Rosco2: Both work here.
[20:14] <Rosco2> Yeah - was just able to submit first pass result just then
[20:15] <zequence> krytarik: Yes, seems so.
[20:17] <Rosco2> Seems to be just my laptop failing to find the server
[20:19] <zequence> I have that kind of problems occasionally, but not very often. Some domain names don't work.
[20:19] <zequence> No idea where the problem is, but I guess something between the client and the server.
[20:20] <zequence> Just a couple of weeks ago there were some disturbances, periodically. Every 5 min or so.
[20:20] <zequence> But, for all domains
[20:20] <zequence> Think it was the first time for over a year of perfect service
[20:21] <Rosco2> Everything slow on the network for the laptop. Still zsyncing a second 386 ISO!
[20:21] <zequence> (except for the occasional problem at the host/server)
[20:21] <Rosco2> Just went 95%
[20:21] <zequence> Frustrating. Becoming a long day, this.
[20:24] <Rosco2> switching IRC to the other machine to do 386 live session on the laptop
[21:03] <Rosco2> All good with 386 for me
[21:03] <Rosco2> 64bit build seems to have moved on to the squashfs preparation
[21:03] <Rosco2> But says it may take a while :-)
[21:14] <zequence> Well, I might skip them today, since they are still not ready.
[21:15] <zequence> But, I will do the test tomorrow. Probably as early as I'm able.
[21:15] <zequence> Before lunch
[21:19] <Rosco2> Yeah - I am shattered
[21:19] <Rosco2> I might look in in the morning and at least do a zsync
[21:20] <Rosco2> Then do a quick test as soon as I get home
[21:20] <Rosco2> after wor
[21:21] <Rosco2> k
[21:21] <Rosco2> See I am tired!
[21:21] <zequence> Haha
[21:22] <zequence> Well, if you haven't heard of me by lunch time, I might have missed my chance. But, really I will try to do the test first thing. The work I do leaves some opportunity for that.
[21:22] <Rosco2> Thanks for that
[21:22] <zequence> Sleep well!
[21:22] <Rosco2> It is good to have tried 64 bit in at least two machines I think
[21:23] <Rosco2> You too


[12:08] <gardengnome> ok, i have found the "ubuntu-cdimage" project in launchpad but i can't download the sources there. vanilla debian-cd looks like it won't support ubuntu without giving me headaches. does anyone know where i could get the ubuntu specific tool?
[12:16] <gardengnome> oh, i found it. nvm :)
[01:08] <jdong|GRR> uhh, knot3 amd64 ubiquity doesn't work
[01:08] <jdong|GRR> poke screensaver throws a python exception
[01:08] <jdong|GRR> is that a known issue?
[01:28] <jdub> uh, ouch
[01:28] <jdub> mdadm expects to be able to stop raid arrays during upgrade
[01:28] <jdub> fabbione: ping (unlikely -> mdadm expects to be able to stop raid arrays during upgrade)
[01:29] <jdong> jdub: you might need to try /summoning/ fabbione.....
[01:33] <Fujitsu> jdub, that's know, I saw a comment about that last night.
[01:34] <Fujitsu> *known
[01:34] <jdub> #60623
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Yes, that one.
[01:49] <_ion> amaranth: I think a moderator found some false positives from a spam folder, and passed them to the list.
[01:50] <Amaranth> so far they look like duplicates
[01:50] <Amaranth> although perhaps people sent their message again when it didn't show up the first time
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Amaranth, Burgandavia cleaned out the spam filter yesterday.
[02:03] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:03] <BenC> is there something special I've got to do to upload to dapper-proposed-updates?
[04:04] <zul_> isnt there something in the wiki?
[04:15] <jdong> BenC: hehe, paranoia setting in?
[04:16] <BenC> jdong: I've uploaded it twice and gotten no reply from the archive about it
[04:16] <BenC> zul_: I checked, didn't see anything
[04:16] <jdong> hmm :-/
[04:18] <zul_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[04:18] <BenC> zul_: that's for dapper proper
[04:19] <BenC> I don't see anything in there about proposed-updates
[04:19] <jdong> BenC: under 2. Prepare
[04:19] <jdong> "The upload target must be release-proposed"
[04:19] <BenC> ah
[04:22] <BenC> jdong, zul: thanks
[04:46] <jdub> $ sudo dmidecode | grep Speed Max Speed: 1800 MHz Current Speed: 1200 MHz
[04:46] <jdub> boh
[04:46] <jdub> $ sudo dmidecode | grep Speed
[04:46] <jdub>         Max Speed: 1800 MHz
[04:46] <jdub>         Current Speed: 1200 MHz
[04:46] <jdub> $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[04:46] <jdub> 1200000 800000
[04:46] <jdub>
[04:47] <jdub> must be
[04:47] <jdong> weird :)
[04:48] <jdub> maybe the bios *wants* me to overclock it!
[04:49] <Amaranth> jdub: Do it. ;)
[04:49] <Burgundavia> jdub: given my bios doesn't even know what my cpu is and I have seen some very odd bios breakage out there, I would not be surprised
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> Burgundavia, hello, I would like to ask you if you are ubuntu mailing lists manager ? I would like to set-up one for Georgian translators.
[04:51] <Burgundavia> AlinuxOS: no, i am not
[04:51] <Burgundavia> I merely have the (mis)fortune to moderate a few
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> Burgundavia, thanks.
[04:53] <sladen> jdub: the dmi tables are probably static and contain whatever the PFY typoed on the day of release.
[05:06] <Lathiat> err upgrading mdadm tries to stop the raid arrays..  thats not going to work on most systems
[05:06] <jdub> Lathiat: lp#60623
[05:06] <Lathiat> heh
[05:06] <Lathiat> righto
[05:07] <Lathiat> sheesh does kubuntu edgy boot quick, i assume from the upstart stuff
[05:12] <jdong> Lathiat: profiling a bootup will get you another few seconds back... edgy's readahead-list is way off
[05:13] <Lathiat> how do you do that?
[05:16] <ajmitch> Lathiat: apparantly by adding profile to the kernel commandline in grub
[05:17] <Lathiat> hrm ok i'll give that a shot
[05:23] <Lathiat> yeh that made a big diff
[06:09] <AlinuxOS> jdub, ping
[06:20] <glick> hello
[06:20] <glick> excuse me im reading the ubuntu packaging guide
[06:20] <glick> and i have a question about this pbuilder application
[06:20] <Burgundavia> glick: that is a question for #ubuntu-motu
[06:20] <glick> ok
[08:13] <adamant1988> hello all..
[08:14] <adamant1988> uhm.. I guess if you're the developers I need to talk to.. the naim package is BAD
[08:14] <adamant1988> I went to install it and it decided that I need to remove 93 packages in order to install =\
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Works for me, adamant1988.
[08:15] <Fujitsu> What are some of the packages it wants to remove?
[08:15] <crimsun> (this is better addressed, as maintenance question, in -motu)
[08:15] <imbrandon> thats most of the time the result of a shady sources.list file
[08:16] <adamant1988> Fujitsu: a lot of KDE packages.. I have the whole list
[08:16] <adamant1988> I'll paste bin it
[08:16] <Fujitsu> OK, please move to -motu.
[08:17] <imbrandon> e.g. #ubuntu-motu
[08:31] <fabbione> jdub: yes i know. there is a bug filed already.
[08:31] <fabbione> jdub: it's monday stuff tho..
[08:32] <desrt> Burgundavia; poke
[08:33] <Burgundavia> desrt: poke back
[08:37] <desrt> Burgundavia; your knot3 page says "has not been released yet"
[08:37] <desrt> (it has)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> it shouldn't, I thought I removed that
[08:40] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, it's still there... And Knot 3 isn't listed on /testing.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> I will fix
[08:42] <thansen|laptop_> gaim-devs: ping :)
[08:43] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: are you looking for the people who upload gaim?
[08:43] <thansen|laptop_> whoever packages it
[08:43] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: that would be seb128
[08:44] <thansen|laptop_> Burgundavia: do you know if the beta3 is what for sure will be used in edgy?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: are you an upstream gaim dev?
[08:45] <thansen|laptop_> no, but I have a patch for the groupwise protocol...which currently doesn't work
[08:46] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: file a bug, mention you have a patch
[08:46] <thansen|laptop_> I talked to the novell guy who maintains it and he said he would upstream it sometime in the next couple weeks, but I want to make sure it gets into edgy
[08:47] <thansen|laptop_> where are bugs filed for ubuntu?  sorry, kinda new to the ubuntu community
[08:47] <Burgundavia> edgy is not due for a while, and given we have a beta, I would expect us to get the final
[08:48] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs
[08:48] <thansen|laptop_> it's been beta now for a year :)
[08:49] <thansen|laptop_> maybe it's inclusion in edgy will prod them along a bit though ;)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: I wish it would
[08:51] <Burgundavia> given it has been in beta for more than 6 months
[08:51] <thansen|laptop_> link?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[08:54] <thansen|laptop_> malone is telling me to use the official gaim bug tracker
[08:57] <Burgundavia> right, you need gaim the ubuntu package, not the upstream product
[08:57] <Burgundavia> welcome to LP :(
[08:58] <thansen|laptop_> where can I find that?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> under the ubuntu product, search for gaikm
[09:02] <fabbione> Hobbsee: hey.. yes i "own" ubuntulog somehow
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hey fabbione
[09:03] <Hobbsee> fabbione: right, can we get ubuntulog into #ubuntu+1 too please, and log that?
[09:03] <fabbione> Hobbsee: can you please file a bug in LP and make sure you assign it to me?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> fabbione: under what?  ubuntulog or something?
[09:03] <fabbione> it's kind of sunday :)
[09:03] <fabbione> ubuntu
[09:03] <fabbione> general
[09:04] <Hobbsee> right
[09:04] <Hobbsee> fabbione: yes, and?   :P
[09:05] <fabbione> and i am spending time with my wife and my kid :) no hacking today
[09:05] <Hobbsee> fabbione: yeah, fair enough :)
[09:06] <Lathiat> Hrm, can you no longer mark a bug as having two tasks one for breezy and one for dapper?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: i thought you could.  say the bug affects another distro, and do it that way
[09:07] <Lathiat> yeh but then it says 'already reported'
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oh darn
[09:07] <Hobbsee> i thought you could
[09:07] <Hobbsee> that's how i used to do it
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: or the request a backport button?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> make sure that doestn subscribe the backporters team by accident though
[09:09] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:09] <Lathiat> that looks like it would do what we want but
[09:09] <Lathiat> it does seem to be specifically for 'backports'
[09:10] <StevenK> Lathiat: There's a "Also affects: distrobution" link
[09:11] <StevenK> Lathiat: The last part of the URL is +distrotask
[09:11] <Lathiat> yeh that doesnt work
[09:11] <Lathiat> you say Ubuntu, lynx
[09:11] <Lathiat> and it says its already reported
[09:11] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's what i said
[09:11] <Lathiat> doesnt seem to include a version component
[09:14] <Lathiat> ok the backport fix thign seems to do the right thing
[09:14] <Lathiat> just slightly confusing terminology
[10:11] <o_cee> is it just my firefox that's broken in edgy at the moment?
[10:12] <glick> hey is the debian maintainers guide still applicable to ubuntu?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> glick: yes, mostly
[10:17] <jdub> fabbione: :-)
[10:20] <zyga> hello
[10:22] <Kamion> o_cee: the language packs are outdated; 'LANG=en_US.UTF-8 firefox' should be a workaround
[10:22] <Kamion> it's rather crashy though
[10:22] <o_cee> Kamion: ah okay, thanks!
[10:22] <Kamion> haven't tried with a clean profile yet to see if that works better
[10:37] <zyga> pitti: hi
[10:37] <pitti> hi zyga
[10:37] <zyga> pitti: there is a problem with langpack that includes polish firefox addon
[10:38] <zyga> pitti: if you can confirm that LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 firefox breaks things :)
[10:38] <zyga> (some parse error in chrome.xul)
[10:38] <pitti> zyga: bug 60631
[10:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60631 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "[edgy] Crash opening firefox" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60631
[10:38] <zyga> oh :)
[10:38] <pitti> zyga: fallout from a Friday afternoon firefox upload :/
[10:39] <pitti> zyga: I don't have much time right now, I'll fix this tomorrow morning
[10:39] <zyga> right, have a nice weekend :)
[10:55] <mjg59> Why has ubuntu-devel just thrown 60 old mails at me?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> mjg59, Burgundavia cleaned the spam filter yesterday.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> mjg59: shouldn't have been 60, but i passed a bunch through, some because of mailmans shite interface
[11:02] <jdub> Burgundavia: apt-get install listadmin
[11:02] <Burgundavia> jdub: listadmin?
[11:02] <jdub> apt-cache show listadmin
[11:02] <Burgundavia> oh, love
[11:02] <Burgundavia> thanks
[11:10] <mjg59> It was never supposed to be
[11:10] <_ion> So there were problems?
[11:11] <mjg59> There are still certain limitations
[11:11] <_ion> Ok.
[11:29] <Kamion> wow, listadmin is fantastic
[11:29] <jdub> yeah
[11:29] <jdub> the only thing it doesn't do is "add to okay posters list"
[11:32] <pitti> jdub: thanks for that hint, this will help a lot :)
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> v
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:54] <lynxorgd> v
[11:54] <lynxorgd> vhttp://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[02:56] <GyrosGeier> hi
[02:57] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:57] <GyrosGeier> is there anything the installer does to integrate bootsplash support that doesn't get done when installing the -desktop package by hand?
[02:57] <GyrosGeier> because I installed Xubuntu, and now I get an Ubuntu bootsplash for startup and a Xubuntu bootsplash for shutdown
[02:58] <StevenK> GyrosGeier: The boot splash is run from the initramfs, and the shutdown is from userspace
[02:58] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[02:59] <StevenK> GyrosGeier: Regenerate your initramfs and see if that fixes it?
[02:59] <Tonio_> GyrosGeier: also check your alternatives settings
[02:59] <GyrosGeier> excellent
[03:00] <GyrosGeier> also, the bootsplash goes away after unpacking the restricted drivers
[03:00] <GyrosGeier> and the system falls back to text mode
[03:01] <GyrosGeier> is this maybe related to having 64MiB of RAM only?
[03:03] <GyrosGeier> and third, is there any bug reporting tool? reportbug finds out "this is not Debian, so I need to send to ubuntu-devel", but fails as I don
[03:03] <GyrosGeier> and third, is there any bug reporting tool? reportbug finds out "this is not Debian, so I need to send to ubuntu-devel", but fails as I don't have an MTA on this network
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !bug
[03:03] <Hobbsee> GyrosGeier: [23:03]  <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:04] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:04] <GyrosGeier> so nothing "assisted" that asks you whether you want to include debconf settings?
[03:05] <Mithrandir> GyrosGeier: not yet, no.  We're still waiting for the XMLRPC interface for malone.
[03:05] <Mithrandir> once we have that, reportbug or similar will be updated to just file bugs using that.
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> ah
[03:06] <fabbione> hey GyrosGeier !
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> because I have an X server autodetection glitch
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> so I have a lot of debconf info
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> hi fabbione
[03:07] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: best thing is to open a bug above and add all the info you have.
[03:07] <GyrosGeier> okay
[03:07] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: there should also be something on the wiki
[03:07] <fabbione> hol don
[03:07] <GyrosGeier> I will probably be LARTed for installing onto a P166MMX anyway, but...
[03:07] <fabbione> ahha nah
[03:08] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i still have your ex a1200 running here :)
[03:08] <GyrosGeier> cool
[03:08] <GyrosGeier> so given this is #ubuntu-devel, will there be an Ubuntu release for m68k? :-)
[03:08] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[03:08] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: ehhehe
[03:08] <_ion> Amiga, yay.
[03:08] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i am kind of thinking about it.. but i don't think i have enough time for it
[03:08] <GyrosGeier> StevenK, well, if you've read my blog entry, you know my opinion
[03:09] <GyrosGeier> StevenK, Ubuntu is cool for the desktop and maybe servers (never tried it there), but its focus is too narrow for it to be interesting to me
[03:09] <fabbione> no.. the page on the wiki is gone
[03:10] <fabbione> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[03:10] <fabbione> there
[03:10] <GyrosGeier> I happily hand out CDs to users, but my embedded devices run Debian.
[03:10] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, thanks
[03:10] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i don't know how update it is
[03:10] <fabbione> but it should help
[03:10] <fabbione> at least to add all the info required
[03:10] <GyrosGeier> well, the box in question has all the hardware evil you can find
[03:11] <GyrosGeier> nVidia Riva128 OEM card with obscure Manufacturer ID
[03:11] <GyrosGeier> plus a Voodoo1
[03:11] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i sort of expected that from you :)
[03:11] <GyrosGeier> the X server autoconfig creates a config file that tells it to use the "apm" driver on the voodoo
[03:12] <fabbione> that's a discover-data bug
[03:12] <fabbione> is that the only glitch?
[03:12] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, I thought you did away with the casing and glued to mainboard to the outside of some server box?
[03:12] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, mostly
[03:13] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: no, i glued the entire a1200 to a mini-desktop.
[03:13] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, the screen is corrupted after DPMS
[03:13] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: in that case just open a bug on discover-data with the pci id, description of the board and what X driver it should be used
[03:13] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: that's enough to fix it
[03:14] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, okay, can do that
[03:14] <fabbione> yup thanks
[03:14] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, although there is also a driver for rendering to two triangles that fill the entire screen on Voodoo1
[03:15] <GyrosGeier> so technically, you could use both cards. :-)
[03:15] <fabbione> hmmm
[03:15] <fabbione> yeah but we don't support dual-head or dual-gfx configs out of the box yet
[03:15] <fabbione> it's difficult to detect which one is primary
[03:15] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, yep, that may be the problem
[03:15] <fabbione> yes that might be one of the 2
[03:15] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, only the Riva claims to be a graphics card
[03:15] <fabbione> the driver should have been the right one, no matter
[03:16] <fabbione> it basically depends on the order in which discover finds them on the bus
[03:16] <fabbione> the first one wins
[03:16] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, the Voodoo just says "custom" in its PCI data
[03:16] <fabbione> just add that's a Voodoo1 based card and a manufacturer if you have it
[03:16] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, well, the IDs are 0:9:0 for the Riva, and 0:b:0 for the Voodoo, and the Voodoo's ID ends up in the config file
[03:17] <fabbione> that's plenty of info for a text description that nobody really will ever read
[03:17] <fabbione> yeah probably
[03:17] <fabbione> anyway.. movie time :)
[03:18] <GyrosGeier> \o/ movie
[03:33] <GyrosGeier> hmm
[03:34] <GyrosGeier> is it a good idea to dist-upgrade from a Debian system, or should I install from scratch?
[03:34] <pygi> GyrosGeier, uhm, ubuntu? scratch :)
[03:35] <GyrosGeier> because the CD-ROM drive in this box is dog slow and occasionally fails
[03:35] <GyrosGeier> so network installation wins
[04:11] <tseng> jdub: do you know why 915resolution isnt on the livecd?
[04:22] <tseng> Mithrandir: did the soversion on libobrender go *down*?
[04:23] <tseng> Mithrandir: obconf complains about not finding .so.1, openbox now ships .so.0.4.0
[05:18] <Mithrandir> tseng: yeah, it did, for some reason..
[05:18] <tseng> Mithrandir: weird
[05:22] <Mithrandir> I need to poke upstream about it
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> what the hell, lilo died?
[05:37] <_ion> Yes.
[05:37] <bluefoxicy> vo.ov sad.
[05:43] <sivang> bluefoxicy: just notiuced. sad as hell
[09:57] <pygi> wohooo, two more tickets :)))
[10:01] <HiddenWolf> pygi: tickets to woodstock, or bugs?


[03:36] <Azeban> Hello hello hello. and good evening
[03:45] <Unit193> Howdy.
[03:46] <Azeban> how are you Unit193
[03:46] <Unit193> Just sitting here, recovering from surgery.  You?
[03:47] <Azeban> How is that coming along?
[03:49] <Unit193> We'll see. :P
[03:49] <Azeban> Are you still in the hospital?
[03:49] <Unit193> Nope, just got out today.
[03:49] <Azeban> What kind of surgery was it?
[03:51] <Unit193> Appendectomy.
[03:52] <Azeban> Are you being spoiled with icecream?
[03:53] <Unit193> Nope.
[03:53] <paultag> hahaha
[03:53] <paultag> boooooooooooooo
[03:54] <Unit193> Freaking staples, man...
[03:54] <paultag> ${JOKE_ABOUT_STAPLES_BEING_A_STORE}
[03:55] <Unit193> Nothing about staples being for paper, not humans? :P
[03:55] <paultag> :)
[17:07] <Azeban> Hello hello hello.
[17:08] <Azeban> good afternoon


[01:35] <Ca3sar> anyone have knowledge on putting xubuntu on a macbook?
[01:35] <holstein> !mac
[01:56] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Hey, I just updated from XUbuntu 13.10 to 14.04, and now my XFCE desktop doesn't have any panels, and whenever I try to browse files I get a an 'Failed to execute default File Manager : Failed to execute child process "thunar" (no such file or directory)' error. Any ideas?
[01:57] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: i would tty or terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share any errors.. make sure you are up to date, and actually running 14.04
[01:58] <Ca3sar> I used a minimal CD to try and install Xubuntu on my Macbook Pro and now when I boot I just get a text command line.
[01:58] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Thanks, I'll try the dist upgrade.
[01:58] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: then, i would try the guest account... if all is well in the guest account, then its likely the users config is bad
[01:58] <Tim-xubuntu97w> update gave no errors.
[01:59] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Yeah, I set up a new 'test' user, thinking that was the issue, but it was borked as well
[01:59] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: then, i would try the live CD for 14.04, and see that it supports the hardware well, and do a backup of my data from it, and consider just fresh installing
[01:59] <Ca3sar> I used a minimal CD to try and install Xubuntu on my Macbook Pro and now when I boot I just get a text command line.
[01:59] <holstein> Ca3sar: the minimal *is* just command line
[01:59] <Ca3sar> ohhhhh... what do i do to get the normal desktop then?
[02:00] <Tim-xubuntu97w> if 14.04 is the problem, is there an easy way to roll back? (I suspect not)
[02:00] <holstein> Ca3sar: you can use a "normal" desktop installation iso.. or, see that you are connected to the internet and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:00] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: its not
[02:01] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: you cant roll back.. but, i really dont think 14.04 is the problem..
[02:01] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Yep. when I SSH in, it shows I'm in 14.04.1
[02:01] <Tim-xubuntu97w> I would think not.
[02:01] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: you should have your data backed up regardless, since all hard drives fail.. i would do that prior to anything else.. then, i would consider reinstallation the "easy" way..
[02:01] <Tim-xubuntu97w> It very well could be related that I'm running headless and getting in via XRDP.
[02:02] <Ca3sar> holstein: thanks I think it's working. I'll consult if I have any more issues
[02:02] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: yes.. that could *all* be related. i would get native on the machine..
[02:02] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Yeah, I've no data on teh machine, it's just a print server, and a place for me to fool around on.
[02:02] <Tim-xubuntu97w> I'll pull the machine and see if I run into issues 'native'. I hadn't heard that term before, I like it. :)
[02:03] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Thanks for the help guys.
[02:03] <holstein> Tim-xubuntu97w: then, try #ubuntu or the mailing list if you want to fool around and see what you have broken upgrading. otherwise, reinstallation should be the quickest
[02:03] <Tim-xubuntu97w> I think so. I just gotta get the printer shared the same..
[02:04] <Tim-xubuntu97w> Thanks again for your insight!
[02:04] <holstein> i would probalby just do a headless, x-less command line machine for a printserver..
[02:05] <Tim-xubuntu97w> I would too, but I want a desktop to fool around on as well. The samba/cups server is still running fine.
[02:06] <holstein> you can "fool around" with live CD's. and VM's
[02:07] <holstein> i say, set up the server for the task, and use live CD's to mess around.. or, dual boot.. or be prepared for your server to be broken
[02:07] <Tim-xubuntu97w> true.. true.. I'm gonna try re-running the X11RDP-o-Matic script I got from scarygliders.
[02:07] <Tim-xubuntu97w> You guys have a good night, thanks again for your help.
[02:07] <holstein> that script could be broken in 14.04.. or not support 14.04
[02:07] <holstein> or, just be broken since the upgrade
[02:08] <Tim-xubuntu97w> It's not.. but it wasn't in 13.10 either. :)
[02:08] <holstein> i mean, its not a xubuntu script.. its not something that shipped with either
[02:08] <holstein> plug in a monitor, test.. reduce variables.. right now, you are testing many things at once..
[02:29] <Ca3sar> can i enable multitouch on my macbook with xubuntu? if i touch the trackpad with mutiple fingers the mouse will not move
[02:30] <holstein> Ca3sar: nothing about xubuntu or ubuntu or linux prevents apple from providing you support for multitouch in linux/xubuntu
[02:30] <holstein> Ca3sar: if its not working "out of the box" it may take some configuration.. or, it may just not work
[02:31] <holstein> you can reference..
[02:31] <holstein> !mac
[02:31] <Ca3sar> Oh okay
[02:51] <Ca3sar> the task bar at the top keeps disappearing when i hover over it, and reappears when my mouse goes below the middle of the screen
[02:51] <holstein> Ca3sar: in XFCE? you have a panel at the top that is hiding?
[02:52] <Ca3sar> holstein: yes
[02:52] <Ca3sar> holstein: and sorry I'm very new here
[02:52] <holstein> Ca3sar: *if* thats the case, you can right click it, go into settings and set it to not auto hide
[02:53] <Ca3sar> holstein: auto hide is unchecked
[02:53] <holstein> Ca3sar: then, its like not autohiding then
[02:54] <holstein> Ca3sar: could be virtual resolution making the screen "scroll"..
[02:54] <holstein> Ca3sar: try setting the screen resolution differently and test for that
[02:54] <Ca3sar> it only goes away when the mouse touches it
[02:54] <holstein> Ca3sar: i dont understand
[02:54] <holstein> Ca3sar: nothing should go away when the mouse touches it..
[02:56] <holstein> Ca3sar: please try and elaborate and share a screenshot
[02:56] <holstein> !paste
[03:00] <Ca3sar> both images here http://imgur.com/jwbcrXi,9VFUza9#0
[03:02] <holstein> Ca3sar: i would disable hiding..
[03:02] <Ca3sar> hiding isn't on?
[03:02] <holstein> Ca3sar: you can try in the guest account. you can remove the config for the panel.. you can remove the *entire* panel.. and make a new one that is not hiding.. there are many ways to deal with it
[03:03] <holstein> Ca3sar: the panel *is* hiding..
[03:03] <holstein> Ca3sar: dont worry with what tick boxes are checked.. just keep trying things til it works..
[03:03] <holstein> Ca3sar: right click.. add another panel.. test it..
[03:03] <holstein> logout, login using the xfce session and not the xubuntu session
[03:03] <holstein> try the guest account..
[03:05] <Ca3sar> guest works. hm
[03:05] <holstein> so you can remove the config in your users /home..
[03:08] <Ca3sar> in my main account? how?
[03:09] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/224006/resetting-xfce-panels-to-default-settings outlines how i would do it
[03:09] <holstein> Ca3sar: ^
[03:26] <RJ45> Hi, running Xubuntu 12.04.3 here, I just noticed a process with no name in Task Manager, it appears idle with RSS 17MiB, however, it doesn't show-up in Gnome System Monitor, only in Task Manager (the one that comes with Xubuntu), does anyone else here have a process with no name?
[03:30] <RJ45> wait, nevermind, I just checked the PID in Gnome System Monitor, and apparently it's just my Monitorix installation :)
[03:31] <RJ45> weird how it displays as blank in Task Manager though
[03:32] <RJ45> ..I have so many different system monitors installed XD  <3 linux
[08:36] <alket> hi , why doesn't my wireless show in network manager: lsusb: 04f3:0234 Elan Microelectronics Corp
[09:01] <alket> how to see Notification history ?
[09:15] <deshipu> alket: I don't think there is any kept
[10:12] <phenom> Can anyone speak of the stability of a xubuntu system encrypted w/ LUKS and with LVM enabled?
[10:12] <phenom> I seem to be having all kinds of problems.
[10:15] <enarion> hello, could anyone here help me remapping a key from my keyboard please ? i've tried xmodmap but it doesn't seem to work
[10:17] <brainwash> enarion: you should pastebin your xmodmap config and explain what exactly you've tried so far
[10:18] <enarion> ok. i'm french, i use the keyboard french-alternative because i can write characters like œ with it. but the behaviour of the right control is not the same. instead of calling Control_R (like in classic french), the key is ISO_Level5_Shift, and it bothers me in some use cases.
[10:19] <enarion> so i've created a .xmodmaprc file containing keycode 105 = Control_R, and launched xmodmap .xmodmaprc in a terminal.
[10:20] <adesst> is there any option of clone or extend when external monitor attach? i've googled and found that i could set it from Display settings and do manual X-offset setting
[10:21] <enarion> and I don't know where I can find this xmodmap config file?
[11:06] <enarion> i'm back, sorry brainwash
[11:06] <enarion> my computer randomly poweroff sometimes
[11:06] <enarion> i don't know if you answered
[14:11] <sjohn> Hello
[14:33] <xubuntu92w> When i use a usb memory and try to unmount it i get a message it is busy with a program tumblr or what it is..
[14:33] <adesst> where can i find the irc web log?
[14:33] <xubuntu92w> And when i try to change language. I dont make it works.
[14:55] <knome> adesst, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[14:58] <xubuntu92w> How can i make the language works ? i try to change.. it not works.
[15:54] <beautyofthebaud> Hello, quick question that I can only find outdated information for: Installed Xubuntu to use with cs:go native client, but the xubuntu-set minimum for mouse acceleration is .1 -- how do I completely disable mouse acceleration?
[16:56] <xubuntu23w> okilp
[16:59] <xubuntu24w> what is the 'root password' in xubuntu
[17:00] <xangua> There is no root password
[17:00] <xangua> !noroot
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu24w: also take a read at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:01] <xubuntu24w> i wanted to install ESET antivirus for Linux but the installation procedure say it needs root pasword
[17:02] <xangua> Use your user password
[17:02] <xubuntu24w> the installation wont take it
[17:02] <xangua> Also is there a particular reason to install it?
[17:03] <xangua> Does your user account have administrative privileges? This is the one you created when installed ubuntu?
[17:04] <xubuntu24w> i have no idea about it
[17:07] <nomic> you can do "sudo su" to get "root"
[17:07] <nomic> ie. what you would have as "root" in say, fedora
[17:07] <nomic> sudo is safer


[00:01] <fta> [reed], P2 + tm=mozilla1.9 ?
[00:01] <[reed]> correct
[00:02] <[reed]> that means it's a final blocker
[00:02] <[reed]> but not a b5 blocker
[00:02] <fta> done
[00:06] <[reed]> cool
[00:16] <Jazzva> Evening everyone...
[00:16] <Jazzva> asac, are you there?
[00:37] <asac> Jazzva: a bit
[00:38] <Jazzva> I needed to update a few paths... Where are the new addons installed, /usr/lib/firefox-addons?
[00:39] <Jazzva> There are three other in /usr/lib: firefox, firefox-3.0, firefox-3.0b5pre
[00:39] <asac> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/
[00:39] <Jazzva> That's the one :)...
[00:40] <asac> if that extension is compatible to midbrowser you can also dump it in the xulrunner-addons/extensions directory
[00:40] <Jazzva> midbrowser? I'll check that...
[00:41] <Jazzva> Can I just update the old rules file, or should I use the template you made?
[00:41] <Jazzva> 'cause it works well with the old one...
[00:44] <Jazzva> Anyway... that should be it... Now I should just update get-orig-source part in rules file (switched to svn), upload to launchpad and file a bug...
[00:48] <fta> we would like to have all extensions using xpi.mk for consistency
[00:49] <Jazzva> Ok :)... I'll change it...
[01:04] <asac> well ... if it means that we can get more new extensions packaged, we can also keep the old package for already packaged extensions now
[01:05] <asac> but xpi.mk is indeed preferred
[01:06] <Jazzva> Hmm... I can't test it in midbrowser... midbrowser isn't supposed to run on Ubuntu desktop, right?
[01:06] <asac> you can access the menu by presing f4 if thats what you mean
[01:07] <asac> but midbrowser in our archive is really old
[01:07] <asac> so don't test it now
[01:07] <asac> just use firefox-addons
[01:07] <Jazzva> Nope, it won't run at all...
[01:08] <Jazzva> Maybe it clashes with newer version of some other package (lucky guess...)
[01:09] <asac> strange
[01:09] <asac> nss?
[01:10] <Jazzva> x window system error
[01:10] <Jazzva> The error was 'BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)'.
[01:10] <Jazzva>   (Details: serial 898 error_code 10 request_code 2 minor_code 0)
[01:10] <Jazzva> if it's of any help...
[01:14] <asac> ok ... most likely haven't seen a respin recently :)
[07:57] <[reed]> asac: ping
[08:23] <[reed]> asac: three things: 1) need a= in mozilla bug 417086, 2) reply to my comment in mozilla bug 407720; 3) follow-up to roc's comment in mozilla bug 394103
[08:23] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 417086 in General "Use of colon (:) in hash/anchor part of chrome URL when using window.open results in an error." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417086
[08:23] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 407720 in JavaScript Engine "js_FindClassObject causes crashes with getter/setter" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407720
[08:24] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 394103 in GFX: Thebes "All elements are HUGE (when doing dpi autodetect?)" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394103
[10:41] <Festor> HI
[10:42] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3 in beta of Ubuntu 8.04?
[10:46] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:58] <Festor> Is there anyone ...?
[11:07] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3 in beta of Ubuntu 8.04?
[11:07] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[11:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[12:38] <asac> mozilla bug 394103
[12:38] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 394103 in GFX: Thebes "All elements are HUGE (when doing dpi autodetect?)" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394103
[13:00] <asac> [reed]: approved
[13:05] <asac> [reed]: replied 1
[13:19] <asac> replied 2
[14:29] <Jazzva> Hmm... I'm having problems with xpi.mk... I uncommented the MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND line in debian/rules, but it skips running it before pacaging xpi... any ideas?
[14:36] <asac> Jazzva: log?
[14:36] <Jazzva> asac: Just a sec...
[14:36] <asac> Jazzva: you need to use the binary package name ... not the source one :)
[14:37] <Jazzva> mhm... that may be the reason
[14:37] <Jazzva> :)
[14:38] <Jazzva> works alright :)
[14:38] <asac> good
[16:04] <Jazzva> Should I leave the old maintainer in debian/control?
[16:18] <Jazzva> I have to go for a few hours... The firefox-greasemonkey is uploaded to bzr <https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/firefox-extensions/firefox-greasemonkey.ubuntu>,  and I opened a bug 205172. I'm only uncertain about Maintainer field in debian/control, which is why I didn't subscribe mozillateam to the bug report yet. See you later...
[16:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205172 in greasemonkey "REVIEW/SPONSOR: please review and sponsor firefox-greasemonkey" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205172
[16:25] <armin76> hrm....how you guys do a xul-only firefox tarball?
[17:01] <armin76> ah, i see
[17:52] <armin76> eh...
[17:52] <armin76> xulrunner doesn't use jemalloc :D
[17:53] <armin76> fta_: asac: ^
[17:53] <armin76> it isn't linked against it
[17:53] <armin76> ff isn't either unless its compiled without xul
[17:55] <armin76> ifdef MOZ_MEMORY
[17:55] <armin76> ifeq ($(OS_ARCH),Darwin)
[17:55] <armin76> LIBS += -ljemalloc
[17:56] <armin76> wtf? only for macos?
[18:02] <armin76> ah...reed removed it due to bug 418016
[18:02] <armin76> mozilla bug 418016
[18:02] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418016 in XPCOM "Ts jumped ~1% when enabling jemalloc on Linux (qm-mini-ubuntu01, qm-mini-ubuntu02, qm-mini-ubuntu05)" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418016
[19:50] <asac> armin76: its statically linked into libxul atm
[21:49] <[reed]> asac: ping
[21:53] <asac> [reed]: ?
[21:55] <[reed]> I'm somehow subscribed to lp bug 199496... when I click Unsubscribe and select "Unsubscribe me from this bug", I get "Not allowed here  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.  You are logged in as Reed Loden."
[21:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199496 in gtk-sharp2 "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496
[21:55] <[reed]> I'm getting tired of getting e-mails
[21:55] <[reed]> from this bug's duplicates
[21:55] <[reed]> how can I unsubscribe myself?
[21:55] <[reed]> mozilla bug 407720 needs your a=
[21:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 407720 in JavaScript Engine "js_FindClassObject causes crashes with getter/setter" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407720
[21:56] <asac> [reed]: hmm ... maybe a launchpad bug?
[21:57] <asac> do you know which bug you initially reported?
[21:57] <[reed]> it's very annoying!
[21:57] <asac> i guess you have been subscribed by a duplicate
[21:58] <asac> so maybe it helps to unsubscribe from the dupe first
[21:59] <[reed]> ok, I just found it
[21:59] <[reed]> lp bug 202742
[21:59] <ubotu> Bug 202742 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/202742 is private
[21:59] <[reed]> that's what I reported, so I just unsubscribed myself
[21:59] <asac> maybe thats the reason
[22:00] <[reed]> but lp is very lame in that it won't let you see the bug again
[22:00] <[reed]> if you unsubscribe yourself
[22:00] <[reed]> that's very lame
[22:00] <armin76> haha
[22:01] <asac> [reed]: you couldn't see it in bugzilla too or?
[22:02] <[reed]> if you report a bug, you will always be able to see it
[22:02] <[reed]> since it's your bug
[22:02] <[reed]> even if it's marked security
[22:02] <asac> i opened it up after removing your core
[22:03] <asac> [reed]: right ... but this means that the reporter has a special subscription .. e.g. you cannot unsubscribe
[22:03] <asac> but i see your point
[22:03] <[reed]> you should be able to unsubscribe from the bugmail but still be able to see the bug at all times
[22:04] <Jazzva> asac, sorry to interrupt. Just a quick one :). There is an old (Debian, I suppose) maintainer in debian/control for greasemonkey. Should I put him as original-maintainer, and add someone else as maintainer? Whom should I add? Ubuntu MOTU?
[22:05] <asac> Jazzva: if we don't base the new package on his, we can use MOTU, yes.
[22:07] <Jazzva> Well, I suppose we don't. The packaging is done with XPI.TEMPLATE, the parts taken from his package are description in debian/control, debian/copyright, and debian/changelog (updated for recent changes).
[22:08] <[reed]> asac: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed<IP_ADDRESS>%2C+verified<IP_ADDRESS>&chfieldto=Now&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=approval<IP_ADDRESS>%2B
[22:08] <[reed]> does that query return anything for you?
[22:10] <asac> [reed]: no
[22:10] <asac> what are you looking for?
[22:10] <[reed]> that query is approved 1.8.0 bugs that haven't landed yet
[22:10] <asac> o ... everything that has landed
[22:10] <[reed]> yes
[22:10] <asac> my remembered quesry is zero too
[22:10] <asac> COOL!
[22:11] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed<IP_ADDRESS>+verified<IP_ADDRESS>&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&c
[22:11] <asac> those are the blocking bugs not yet fixed or verified
[22:12] <asac> 26 for me ... but loads of sec-sensitive
[22:13] <[reed]> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=MOZILLA_1_8_0_BRANCH&branchtype=match&dir=&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=month&mindate=&maxdate=&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot
[22:13] <[reed]> that's the last month of commits for 1.8.0 branch
[22:15] <asac> can we land 33 more till tomorrow :)
[22:15] <asac> then we could bake the <IP_ADDRESS> release from that branch
[22:15] <asac> just kidding


[00:03] <wrst> you are asking people in a linux channel... i dont think anyone here knows what overkill is :)
[00:03] <Omnifrog|laptop> hahah
[00:03] <wrst> Omnifrog: really you cant ever have too much space?
[00:04] <Omnifrog|laptop> it's only for the boot drive
[00:04] <wrst> and the 250GB drives arent terribly priced now are they?
[00:04] <Omnifrog|laptop> OS+apps
[00:04] <Omnifrog|laptop> well...
[00:04] <wrst> if all storage is on a spinner you really wont need that much space likely
[00:05] <Omnifrog|laptop> wefe asked me to build her a rot rod class box for work
[00:05] <Omnifrog|laptop> wife*
[00:05] <wrst> ahh
[00:06] <wrst> and the 250 ssds arent cheap are they
[00:06] <Omnifrog|laptop> ~190$
[00:06] <wrst> what about 120 with maybe a 1tb storage drive?
[00:06] <wrst> i have a samsung 840 in my laptop 120 gb
[00:07] <Omnifrog|laptop> I have plenty of 1 and 2 tb spinny disks in house
[00:07] <wrst> there you go
[00:07] <Omnifrog|laptop> yeah, that's the page I got open, lol .  the 840 EVO 250
[00:08] <wrst> yep i can say i have had 0 issues
[00:08] <Omnifrog|laptop> I have no clue how much space windows or the win productivity app take up
[00:09] <Omnifrog|laptop> I assume 128gb should be enough
[00:12] <Omnifrog|laptop> I'm think I'mma go with a AMD FX-8320
[00:15] <wrst> Omnifrog: i thibk win 7 should take around 20GB
[00:15] <wrst> think
[00:16] <Omnifrog|laptop> 128 should be fine then
[00:21] <wrst> i have a 120 ssd in my laptop and a win 7 vm also
[13:34] <netritious> Happy New Year!
[13:40] <wrst> morning netritious!
[13:49] <netritious> morning wrst!
[14:02] <cyberanger> morning netritious & wrst
[14:02] <cyberanger> happy new year
[14:05] <wrst> morning cyberanger, all going well?
[14:22] <cyberanger> yeah, I see a drivers license office in my future
[14:22] <wrst> oh me cyberanger
[14:22] <wrst> got a few days ? :)
[14:31] <cyberanger> a few hours, which will hopefully be enough, NY isn't going to like it though
[14:32] <cyberanger> my PA license isn't 6 months old, so it's too new to surrender
[14:32] <cyberanger> and I surrendered my TN license 3 months ago I think
[22:38] <netritious> hey cyberanger! have been afk...cleaning out the attic
[23:47] <cyberanger> netritious: you know, there should be a penelty for spring cleaning in winter ;-)
[23:48] <cyberanger> (I have an excuse, moving issues)


[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:04] <sadsun> morning BluesKaj
[12:04] <BluesKaj>  hi sadsun
[14:47] <garym> I have a liveCD of 11.10, trying to configure networking, as soon as I select 'manual' the 'save' button grays out.  Is manual network setup forbidden on the liveCD?
[14:53] <dscassel> garym: That doesn't sound right.
[14:54] <dscassel> Might be better to ask #ubuntu.  We have some support ninjas in here sometimes, but the main support channel might be faster.
[14:54]  * dscassel has a meeting in 5 minutes... ^^;
[14:58] <garym> yeah, tried there, but it can get very busy and hard to catch replies ;)  I'm guessing the liveCD makes /etc/ read-only
[14:59] <garym> trying from the cli just to see
[17:30] <dscassel> Friendly reminder: Kitchener Ubuntu Hour tonight, if you happen to be in the area. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1379/detail/
[17:30]  * genii-around checks bus fares to Kitchener
[17:44] <genii-around> dscassel: How far is it from where the Greyhound drops off?
[17:56] <dscassel> About a block.
[17:56] <dscassel> :)
[17:56] <dscassel> (Get off at the Charles St Terminal)
[17:59] <genii-around> dscassel: Cool. I thought the bus only maybe went to the Sportsworld location
[18:03] <genii-around> dscassel: The soonest reasonable time I could get in after leaving work, getting a fast shower then catching bus would be 7:50
[18:04] <dscassel> genii-around: It's been a while since I've done it, so you might want to ask them if they go to Charles St.
[18:04] <dscassel> City bus connections to Sportsworld aren't fantastic.
[18:05] <dscassel> genii-around: We'll be there past 8, I'm pretty sure. :)
[18:06] <dscassel> And if you come up, I can give you a tour of Kwartzlab and everything. :D
[18:07] <genii-around> Cool.
[18:16] <genii-around> dscassel: I just talked to the Greyhound Customer Service here (they are tenants in the building I look after here).. they will issue me a one-way ticket for free, and I'll buy my Kitchener->Toronto
[18:16] <BluesKaj> BBL...stuff to do
[18:31] <dscassel> genii-around: Awesome. :D
[18:31] <dscassel> Later, BluesKaj


[06:49] <fuertesfj> I need help or advise, I just installed ubuntu in my friends computer and it work perfectly fine and i installed it in my laptop and then i lost all my info can ANYONE HELP ME?
[06:50] <fuertesfj> hello?
[06:52] <MenZa> fuertesfj: You're probably better off asking in #ubuntu
[08:45] <huats> morning everyone !
[16:59] <cj> pitti: okay, disregard in that case.  Sorry for interrupting your time off.
[21:49] <crevette> hey


[00:33] <xtknight> hmm i dont understand the response to Bug 204496
[00:34] <blueyed> bug 204496
[00:34] <xtknight> ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204496 )
[00:34] <xtknight> i thought the patch was suppoesd to be for the current version
[00:36] <blueyed> xtknight: is the version in hardy broken? (2.x)
[00:36] <xtknight> blueyed, i haven't checked
[00:36] <xtknight> should i run the hardy version on gutsy?
[00:38] <xtknight> ok ... i think i understand.  they are trying to get me to report the problem if exists in the development version.  but im still providing a patch for gutsy right?
[00:38] <blueyed> xtknight: I think it's fixed, at least the interface changed (there's no "Help" menu, but only a button an it works)
[00:38] <blueyed> xtknight: right.
[00:38] <blueyed> For Gutsy you'll need a SRU, as Daniel pointed out.
[00:40] <xtknight> k
[00:40] <blueyed> xtknight: I think the bug should get closed and if you want to fix it for Gutsy (which is cumbersome), "Nominate [it] for release". I don't think it's critical enough though.
[00:40] <xtknight> blueyed,  what release would i be nominating it for?  it's fixed in hardy right (well, assuming it is)?
[00:41] <blueyed> xtknight: gutsy
[00:41] <blueyed> xtknight: but please read the wiki page posted by Daniel first.
[00:41] <xtknight> some other release of gutsy?
[00:43] <xtknight> oh nominate for release places it in backports then...
[00:47] <slangasek> no, backports are separate from release nominations
[00:47] <slangasek> "nominate for release" -> SRU
[00:47] <slangasek> ... which means, if the change doesn't fit the SRU policy, it will be declined
[00:48] <xtknight> i guess i don't understand what "nominate for release" does on gutsy since gutsy has already been released.
[00:49] <blueyed> xtknight: you'll nominate it for gutsy-updates
[00:49] <xtknight> ok i guess i was misreading it.  i thought there would be some new release or sometihng.  i'm nominating it for an existing release..
[00:52] <xtknight> now, it states to set hardy's bug report to Fix Released (if the bug does not exist in hardy).  hardy doesn't have a bug, so i didnt file a bug report for it.  does that mean i need to create a bug, or somehow set my current bug to Gutsy only?
[00:54] <xtknight> on this page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates  )
[00:54] <blueyed> xtknight: you would close the existing bug and if the SRU for Gutsy gets approved, a new bug task for Gutsy appears.
[00:55] <slangasek> xtknight: any bugs you file are implicitly shown as affecting the current development release.  So you should mark the bug as 'fix released' to indicate hardy has the bugfix, then nominate the bug for an SRU via 'nominate for release'
[00:55] <xtknight> by close you mean set Bug 204496 to Fix Released?
[00:55] <xtknight> hmm
[00:55] <xtknight> ok
[00:56] <xtknight> i see.  so the bug represents the latest dev version more than anything else
[00:56] <xtknight> in the whole continuum of things
[00:58] <bobbo> is anyone around to check an upload for me?
[01:02] <slangasek> Fujitsu: no features added in the new upstream version for bug #208993?
[01:10] <xtknight> how do i upload a package to release-proposed?
[01:10] <emgent> heya people
[01:15] <xtknight> i already put gutsy-proposed in the changelog
[01:16] <emgent> xtknight: subscribe motu-sru and add Test case
[01:17] <xtknight> emgent, ah ok.
[01:18] <xtknight> thx
[01:18] <xtknight> i mean step number 4 on procedures here.  it sounds like im supposed to uplpoad something to an ftp or something.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[01:19] <emgent> slangasek: thanks for turba2
[01:19] <xtknight> because the earlier tests already said subscribe and add test cae?
[01:19] <xtknight> case*
[01:19] <xtknight> earlier steps*
[01:27] <slangasek> emgent: no worries
[01:49] <Fujitsu> slangasek: There's a FFe linked.
[01:49] <slangasek> Fujitsu: why, so there is
[01:50] <slangasek> Fujitsu: I'm used to seeing a single bug for the FFe and the sync request... more efficient on the submitter's side anyway, now you have a stray bug sitting open ;)
[01:51] <Fujitsu> slangasek: Ah. Not any more.
[01:53] <emgent> heya Fujitsu :)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Hi emgent.
[01:55]  * Fujitsu disappears for lunh.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> *lunch
[01:59] <emgent> :)
[02:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:13] <RAOF> Howbidie bddebian
[02:14] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[02:58] <marnanel> I'm trying to build a package to do a debdiff.  What is it I have to do between introducing my new patch to debian/patches and running debuild -uc -us -S ?  I thought I used to know this...
[02:58] <marnanel> It fails because "distclean" isn't a make target.
[03:00] <RAOF> marnanel: That sounds like a bug in the package.  Does it build in Hardy?
[03:01] <marnanel> I thought it did, but I will try again
[03:03] <RAOF> What package?
[03:04] <marnanel> gnome-alsamixer
[03:04] <marnanel> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `gnome-alsamixer.schemas', needed by `all-am'.  Stop.
[03:04] <marnanel> But it does compile and link the binary, so I can *test* it
[03:05] <marnanel> Okay, and having got that far, debuild is okay
[03:05] <marnanel> so I can actually make the debdiff
[03:05] <marnanel> and test it
[03:06] <marnanel> even if I can't actually do a full make
[03:06] <marnanel> yes, rigorously engineered work going on tonight folks
[03:41] <xtknight> may someone clarify exactly what i need to do in step four under Procedures here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204496
[03:41] <xtknight> sorry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[04:02] <jdong> apologies in advance for my contributions to April 1st.
[04:02] <jdong> :D
[04:30] <Fujitsu> jdong: I see you got the bug reference right.
[04:31] <jdong> Fujitsu: that's just about the only thing that was right in that package :)
[04:31] <jdong> Fujitsu: I called make with nested sudos in rules too :)
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Hah, left *.ex in, I see.
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Kwality packaging.
[04:34] <jdong> all of em :)
[04:43] <jdong> now.... who can spoof Accepted e-mails?
[04:48] <Fujitsu> jdong: I'm sure you can work it out.
[04:58] <ajmitch> jdong: shame you had to announce that you'd done something for april 1
[04:59] <jdong> ajmitch: did it ruin the surprise factor for you?
[04:59] <ajmitch> well I looked at irc before I read my mail
[05:00] <ajmitch> 'essential', a nice touch there :)
[05:00] <jdong> :)
[05:00] <jdong> I almost contemplated Conflicts/Replaces: on update-manager and synaptic
[05:01]  * ajmitch petitions the MC for revokation of upload rights
[05:02] <jdong> lol
[05:04] <ajmitch> nice, even the .pyc files
[05:05] <jdong> ajmitch: lol I just unpacked upstream's deb, that's all unintentional :D
[05:05] <jdong> (other than calling make with sudo in rules)
[05:05] <Fujitsu> jdong: Did you do anything more than dh_make?
[05:05] <Fujitsu> Oh, didn't notice that.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> Very good.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> That'll build well.
[05:07] <StevenK> jdong: You're evil
[05:07] <ajmitch> quick, where's an archive admin to accept it?
[05:07] <jdong> :D
[05:07] <StevenK> Hah
[05:12] <StevenK> jdong: You should have set the release as gutsy-updates
[05:12] <StevenK> :-P
[05:13] <jdong> StevenK: hah
[05:14] <jdong> well looks like it worked on Kees
[05:15] <keescook> it was a good few seconds of confusion.  I enjoyed it.  :)
[05:38] <TheMuso> jdong: automatix... please explain?
[05:39] <TheMuso> And... the package desc is missing a description.
[05:39] <jdong> TheMuso: calendar
[05:39] <TheMuso> jdong: It would have been nice to see that at a glance from a package description, but you left the template there.
[05:39] <StevenK> But it can't be obvious
[05:39] <StevenK> That's the whole point
[05:40] <nixternal> jdong: totally classic!
[05:41] <jdong> :D
[05:41] <ScottK> ajmitch: To bad the MC's been dithering and we don't actually have a firing policy yet.
[05:41] <nixternal> shush
[05:41] <nixternal> before we fire you!
[05:42] <ScottK> You need the Tech Board to fire me now ...
[05:42] <nixternal> remember, LP is closed source, so they haven't found all of the security issues yet..now if it were open, you might be a tad bit safer :p
[05:43] <jdong> nixternal: it'd take you 6 months to fire him
[05:43] <nixternal> probably more
[05:44]  * nixternal wonders what happens when you pull "Ubuntu Membership"
[05:44] <nixternal> wonder if that causes all of the other memberships to collapse
[05:44] <Fujitsu> nixternal: It doesn't.
[05:44] <nixternal> damn
[05:44] <nixternal> ;p
[06:04] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: pingaloo
[06:10] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Evening.
[06:10] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: have you looked at bug #194687 at all?
[06:11] <LaserJock> I think it is a -security issue
[06:11] <Fujitsu> It is -security.
[06:11] <Fujitsu> As it was broken in -security.
[06:11] <Fujitsu> Was it not?
[06:12] <Fujitsu> emgent was right to subscribe ubuntu-security in the first place.
[06:13] <ScottK> Note to self: Do not make all your libdb database updates on the Hardy box in 4.6 and then copy the database onto the Gutsy box that's using 4.5.
[06:14] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: right, so that doesn't need MOTU SRU correct?
[06:15] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: correct.
[06:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: is it worth having a gutsy task for that? I can accept emgent's nomination if so
[06:18] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: We should have a task for Gutsy. I've just accepted it.
[06:18] <LaserJock> he said it's fixed in hardy so might as well to be accurate
[06:18] <Fujitsu> Oooh, I like edge's release nomination stuff.
[06:18] <Fujitsu> No extra page loads for approving nominations.
[06:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:18] <LaserJock> wish there was more of that
[06:19] <Fujitsu> I often do that for 5 releases, so it's a big thing for me.
[06:24] <Amaranth> you mean launchpad is going web 2.0?
[06:24] <Amaranth> that reminds me, i need to get them to change someone's name
[06:24] <Amaranth> someone named themselves 'Compiz'
[06:24] <jdong> does web 2.0 mean waiting a long time and putting in CAPTCHAs for everything?
[06:25] <StevenK> If Web 2.0 == CAPTCHAs, count me out
[06:25] <Amaranth> I'm trying to decide if I want the launchpad guys to change the name or wait for the bug triage guys to assign all bugs to that guy
[06:26] <jdong> Amaranth: reverse spam sounds more appropriate
[07:35] <\sh> moins
[07:36] <\sh> jdong: you suck...you gave me just a heart stroke this morning with your automatix upload and fixing bug #1
[07:36] <\sh> jdong: ;)
[07:44] <slangasek> now would it be a better follow-up joke for me to accept it...
[07:47] <\sh> slangasek: well, let sabdfl push the button so it looks like that it was "gods" fault ;-)
[07:47] <RAOF> He filed the bug, it's only fair he accepts the upload that fixes it :)
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <ajmitch> hi
[07:54] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[07:54] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[07:54] <ajmitch> alright, how are you?
[07:55] <dholbach> good, thanks
[07:56] <ajmitch> good to hear :)
[07:57] <\sh> hey....old man ajmitch :)
[07:58]  * ajmitch is feeling old after days like today
[07:58] <ajmitch> first day of client testing for a big upgrade at work
[07:58] <\sh> well, yeah....I request the deletion of the MOTU team...jdong just fixed the world and everything..so it's nothing left to do for us...
[07:59] <ajmitch> great
[08:00] <ajmitch> didn't anyone suggest to the TB that ubuntu switch to using fedora as a base rather than debian?
[08:02] <milli> Yggadrasil would make a much better base than debian
[08:02] <\sh> ajmitch: I think we should switch to BSD
[08:03] <ajmitch> true
[08:03] <milli> Redhat 5 wouldn't be a bad choice
[08:04] <RAOF> Surely it's time GNU Herd got a major distro based off it, right?
[08:04] <RAOF> s/herd/hurd/
[08:04] <ajmitch> bddebian would be overjoyed
[08:04] <\sh> milli: na rhel was forked by centos...
[08:04] <\sh> BSD is the better choice...we could even get aqua for free from apple ;)
[08:05] <StevenK> Ubunherd
[08:08] <\sh> UBunSD ,->
[08:09] <milli> Or perhaps DOS 5.x as a base.
[08:09] <milli> Oh wait a sec.  That's been done already.
[08:15] <\sh> oh well...
[08:16] <\sh> mithrandir changed his job, too :(
[08:55] <warp10> Good morning
[09:14] <warp10> Is there an admin of u-u-s that may add me to the team, please?
[09:33] <dholbach> warp10: done
[09:33] <warp10> dholbach: great! thank you!
[09:33] <dholbach> anytime :)
[11:33] <Riddell> jdong: ahem
[11:46] <ajmitch> Riddell: ACCEPTED?
[11:47] <Riddell> hmmmm
[12:06] <ogra_cmpc> Riddell, leave it in for today :)
[12:06] <ogra_cmpc> (and notice the date)
[12:08] <\sh> lol
[12:08] <\sh> Riddell: read my blog ,-)
[12:09] <Riddell> \sh: why, is this phpgroupware thing also a joke?
[12:09] <\sh> Riddell: nope
[12:09] <Riddell> \sh: oh, so I shouldn't have rejected it?
[12:09] <\sh> Riddell: but automatix definitely fix bug #1 ,-> you should push it to the archives...or leave Mark the honour ;)
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[12:10] <Riddell> ah well, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-April/017142.html
[12:10] <\sh> actually it made my day :)
[12:11] <\sh> first I got a heart stroke this morning..and then I realized, it's time to wakeup
[12:17] <Riddell> New Queue Zero!  I'm a genius.
[12:18] <\sh> wait...I'll upload new crap ,-)
[12:20] <ogra_cmpc> \sh, it would have been a lot funnier if you hadnt revealed the joke already on planet
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> we should have slashdotted it indeed *g*
[12:23] <afflux> I've a package with debian/control.in and want to change the maintainer as in the DebianMaintainerField. Do I need to change both control and control.in?
[12:24] <broonie> afflux: Most likely.
[12:24] <broonie> afflux: If it's done sanely you should find that you only need to change control.in and control will be updated automatically.#
[12:24] <afflux> but both will show up on the debdiff, right?
[12:24] <broonie> yes
[12:25] <afflux> alright, thanks
[12:29] <afflux> dholbach: new debdiff attached to bug 186141. btw. juliux suggested you could have your bugs counted under ubuntu-de-locoteam :)
[12:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186141 in nautilus-actions "missing nautilus-actions menu entries" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186141
[12:33] <\sh> ogra_cmpc: tbh...riddles on dot.kde.org is better ,->
[12:33] <\sh> just because it's from the 31.03 ;)
[12:36] <Riddell> \sh: I can't be held responsible for the dot's timezone
[12:43] <\sh> Riddell: but it's good :)
[12:43] <\sh> 3,737,000      5.15K/s
[12:43] <\sh> wow...wireshark is dead ;)
[12:44] <soren> dead?
[12:45] <\sh> well, everything which is under 10k is dead ;)
[12:51] <soren> Oh, their *website*?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i thought comments like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/208836/comments/7 were supposed to go away?
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208836 in transmission "Feature Freeze Exception request for Transmission 1.10" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[12:55] <Hobbsee> jdong: would you prefer to be blasted on irc, or on the mailing list?
[12:59] <ogra_cmpc_> Hobbsee, happy first of april :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> oh, sod it.
[12:59]  * Hobbsee forgot!
[12:59] <ogra_cmpc_> *grin*
[12:59]  * ogra_cmpc_ hugs jdong
[13:00] <ogra_cmpc_> thats one of the best april fool okes i've seen in years
[13:00] <ogra_cmpc_> *jokes
[13:00]  * Hobbsee beats jdong
[13:01] <Hobbsee> still, having the savage pleasure of rejecting it might have been nice....
[13:02] <ogra_cmpc_> is it rejected already ?
[13:02] <Hobbsee> yes
[13:02] <ogra_cmpc_> gah .... the archive team really should have been notified in advance to keep it for today
[13:03] <Hobbsee> it's 11pm on 1/4
[13:03] <ogra_cmpc_> for you
[13:03] <ogra_cmpc_> its 2pm here
[13:03]  * Hobbsee is reminded of the monty python "Just kill him anyway"
[13:05] <Iulian> Heya
[13:06]  * Hobbsee reads the MC meeting minutes
[13:06] <Hobbsee> hope they're not april fools too
[13:07] <Hobbsee> s/irc council/ Hobbsee/ though, i'm the chanowner.
[13:11]  * cody-somerville nods.
[13:13] <Hobbsee> (in effect though, for anything motu-related, they'd delegate it to me as i'm the person here, so it really makes no difference though)
[13:17] <soren> Hobbsee: The irc council has the final word, though, don't they? (I've little or no clue about our irc governance)
[13:18] <cody-somerville> I would hope control  (ie. final say) of the channel would stay with the -motu team.
[13:21] <Hobbsee> soren: not if they delegated it to me, no.  Although, from freenode POV, yes, they do.
[13:22] <soren> I see.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> oh wait.  does the GC trump the chanown?
[13:22]  * Hobbsee asks
[13:24] <Hobbsee> yes, it does, i'm told.
[13:24] <Hobbsee> soren: so, the council has the final word.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> but i think it's required that they have to discuss changes with me, being the chanown, assuming i've not gone backpacking to another country, or something.
[13:25] <soren> Hobbsee: gc?
[13:26] <Hobbsee> soren: group contact.  ie, irc council. it's a freenode thing.
[13:26] <soren> Hobbsee: Ah.
[13:44] <zul> I refuse to read slashdot on the first of apirl
[13:45] <Hobbsee> zul: so read the forums instead!
[13:46]  * Hobbsee glances at it
[13:46] <Hobbsee> it's not pink this year!
[13:49] <juliank> Hey, I need a motu-release ACK for bug #210215
[13:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210215 in aria2 "Please sync aria2 0.12.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210215
[13:49] <zul> Hobbsee: sure make me gouge out my eyesockets
[13:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[13:49] <zul> ow...
[15:15] <jdong> lol morning everyone :D
[15:16] <\sh> jdong: hehe...
[15:16] <Hobbsee> morning crack lover.
[15:16] <jdong> lol
[15:16] <jdong> sorry, couldn't resist :D
[15:17]  * Hobbsee had talked about doing that at UDS, actually - but not for april fools
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc_> jdong, so what about a backport ?
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc_> feisty and gutsy users will want it as well :)
[15:21] <jdong> lol indeed :D
[16:08] <jdong> bug 210292
[16:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210292 in gutsy-backports "Please Backport Hardy Heron to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210292
[16:09] <jeromeg> jdong: i'm uploading it to my ppa ;) just wiat a few days
[16:09] <jeromeg> *wait
[16:10] <jdong> jeromeg: we may need a source change backport so that LSB release version is 8.04~gutsy1
[16:11] <jeromeg> jdong: i'll investigate this :)
[16:39] <norsetto> a good fool's day (or night) to all
[16:43] <\sh> rotflbtc
[16:43] <\sh> anyone read http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/debian/2008040101-renaming-directories.html from erich schubert?
[16:44] <jpatrick> \sh: afternoon :))
[16:44] <\sh> hey jpatrick
[16:46] <jpatrick> \sh: I forgot the name of the distro that did that..
[16:48] <soren> GoboLinux
[16:49] <jpatrick> ah yeah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoboLinux
[16:49] <soren> Madness.
[16:51] <\sh> jpatrick: well, but "Ubuntu X" ,-) and the idea never came from the famous sabdfl ;)
[16:52] <\sh> jpatrick: and the idea is horrible....;) /system/Administrator -> well...it's my job title ;)
[16:52] <jpatrick> \sh: I think we'll have time to implement it, seeing as Hardy is being delayed for 3 months (#ubuntu /topic)
[16:58] <\sh> jpatrick: right ;)
[16:59] <\sh> ok...time to leave for home :)
[16:59] <\sh> cu later
[17:37] <mok0> RainCT: ping
[17:38] <marnanel> I'm trying to debuild a package which has a patch added in debian/patches, but after I debuild -S -uc -s, debdiff just shows the changelog entry.
[17:43] <marnanel> Is there something I should do to get the patch included in the source package that I'm not already doing?
[17:43] <mok0> marnanel: no
[17:50] <james_w> marnanel: hi, do you run "debuild -S -uc -s"
[17:50] <james_w> that last -s looks suspicious, I think you want -us
[17:54] <marnanel> Oh, I'm sorry, I put "debuild -S -us -uc", actually
[17:54]  * marnanel tries it again
[17:55] <james_w> marnanel: and check the output for messages about not including the file in the diff
[17:55] <james_w> for instance it won't include files it thinks are binary.
[17:58] <mok0> debuild -S -sa -uc -us
[18:05] <norsetto> afternoon mok0, or should I say, Master mok0?
[18:05] <mok0> norsetto: afternoon! :-) The Master part is a bit premature
[18:06] <norsetto> mok0: yes, timing was never my strong point either ;-)
[18:06] <mok0> Hehe, april 1st, yes...
[18:06] <norsetto> mok0: I must say I'll be glad to pass the GrandDad title to somebody else :)
[18:07] <mok0> Ah, but isnt't it good to be a wise, old MOTU?
[18:08] <mok0> Like Yoda, even though he is 300 years old, he kicks ass! :-)
[18:08] <norsetto> mok0: the older the kickier usually
[18:08] <mok0> hehehe
[18:09] <mok0> norsetto:btw, the gfortran transition seems to be almost done...
[18:09] <norsetto> mok0: I sure hope so!
[18:09] <mok0> I am impressed, it went really fast
[18:10] <norsetto> mok0: actually, only things left is the removal of some packages and that should be it
[18:10] <mok0> Why removal?
[18:10] <norsetto> mok0: heck, the biggest work was done by the good folks in Debian
[18:10] <mok0> true
[18:14] <norsetto> is it me or launchpad is getting slower and slower
[18:18] <sebner> norsetto: LP -.-
[18:22] <RainCT> Heya
[18:23] <sebner> norsetto: btw, looked at my FFe for monodevelop?
[18:23] <norsetto> sebner: no time yet
[18:24] <sebner> norsetto: k, np
[18:24] <RainCT> mok0: pong
[18:26] <marnanel> dpkg-genchages reported that it wasn't including source, until I added the -sa switch (thanks, mok0), but that still didn't change debdiff not showing the new file
[18:26] <marnanel> Oh wait
[18:26] <marnanel> "No rule to make target 'distclean'", way back in the scrollback
[18:27] <marnanel> I thought that happened the other day;  I wonder how it can do a regular make if it can't distclean
[18:28] <james_w> marnanel: is the debian/rules calling distclean?
[18:29] <marnanel> james_w: the word "distclean" does not exist in debian/rules.  Where should it be?
[18:31] <james_w> marnanel: I don't know, what's trying to execute it then?
[18:31] <marnanel> oh, I see
[18:31] <marnanel> Hang on, running again and watching carefully
[18:32] <james_w> if you want you can pastebin the output and we can have a look.
[18:32] <warp10> Hi all
[18:32] <james_w> I'm sure you can spot it, but sometimes you just want to get it done.
[18:32] <sebner> hoi warp10 our newest motu :P
[18:33] <marnanel> Thanks :) I'm sure it's something obvious but I can't see it.  Hang on, pastebin coming up.
[18:33] <RainCT> hi warp10, gratz
[18:33] <marnanel> warp10: congrats.
[18:33] <warp10> hey sebner :)
[18:33] <norsetto> congrats warpie
[18:33] <warp10> RainCT, marnanel: thank you! :)
[18:33] <norsetto> ops, congrats master warpie ...
[18:34] <marnanel> http://pastebin.ca/966306
[18:35] <warp10> ciao norsetto, thank you :D
[18:48] <norsetto> sebner: I think tomorrow or day after we should have a conky package source ready for the FFe
[18:49] <sebner> norsetto: in sid?
[18:49] <norsetto> sebner: no, in the svn. It will take longer for it to be in the archive
[18:50] <marnanel> james_w: any ideas?  I'm stuck, for now.  I'll have another look when I get home :/
[18:50] <sebner> norsetto: ah. ok. btw. I never had anything to do with these svn repos. any links, docs for me?
[18:50] <james_w> marnanel: ah, sorry, missed it at first
[18:50] <slytherin> Wow. That April fool's joke was nice. :-)
[18:51] <slytherin> jdong: Thanks for the entertainment. :-)
[18:51] <jdong> ;-)
[18:51] <norsetto> sebner: just install svn (if you don't have it already) and do an svn co address destination and it will create a local copy
[18:51] <sebner> norsetto: yeah. I know that ^^ but in generel for ubuntu related things
[18:51] <james_w> marnanel: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/dpkg-source line 429. looks a little odd
[18:52] <norsetto> sebner: what related things!?
[18:52] <james_w> marnanel: CFLAGS="-UG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -UGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -UGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -UGNOME_DISABLE_DEPRECATED" /usr/bin/make -C . -k distclean is what calls it
[18:52] <sebner> norsetto: ah sry. misunderstood something. btw conky 1.5.1 is out
[18:53] <norsetto> sebner: yes, thats what we packaged
[18:53] <sebner> norsetto: fine :D
[18:54] <mario_limonciell> jdong, what was the joke?, i missed it :(
[18:54] <james_w> marnanel: it's a cdbs package, so it's probably one of the included makefile snippets that calls it.
[18:54] <slytherin> Does anyone know how the new archive backend in gvfs works? How to make use of it?
[18:54] <slytherin> mario_limonciell: Check motu mailing list archives
[18:55] <marnanel> james_w: ah, weird.
[18:55] <jdong> mario_limonciell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-April/thread.html
[18:55] <mario_limonciell> ha!
[18:55] <mario_limonciell> very nice.
[18:57]  * marnanel will look at this tonight; I should  be working now, and it's beyond what I know how to fix trivially
[19:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[19:01] <norsetto> heya bddebian
[19:02] <cody-somerville> Heya bddebian
[19:02] <bddebian> Hi norsetto, cody-somerville
[19:03] <sebner> heya bddebian
[19:03] <bddebian> Hi sebner
[19:06]  * norsetto -> dinner
[19:06] <mok0> you mean dinner -> norsetto
[19:15] <Iulian> Is Hardy going to be delayed by three months?
[19:16] <Iulian> Uhhmm, is this a joke?
[19:22] <soren> Yeah.
[19:24] <Iulian> Ah ha, thought so :)
[19:25] <Iulian> Well, I shouldn't ask that question anyway.
[19:25] <slytherin> Iulian: franly you shouldn't read any blogs, news sites on 1st April :-P
[19:26] <Iulian> slytherin: Yeah indeed.
[19:27] <DktrKranz> neither hardy-changes :P
[19:29] <slytherin> DktrKranz: Which mail are you referring to?
[19:29] <slytherin> DktrKranz: I thought only motu list was affected by 1st April
[19:29] <DktrKranz> slytherin, God save NEW queue :)
[19:29] <slytherin> :-D
[19:34] <danielm> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1304
[19:54] <nixternal> how goeth greyskull today?
[19:55]  * norsetto <- dinner
[20:46]  * pochu wishes mok0 good luck with his MOTU application, so that he can upload his stuff himself ;)
[20:46] <pochu> mok0: not that you need it though... :)
[20:47]  * mok0 thanks pochu :-)
[20:47] <pochu> mok0: I don't feel very comfortable uploading xtide. It looks fine, but it's a bit late and I don't know it
[20:48] <pochu> but hopefully you will be able to upload it on your behalf very soon :)
[20:48] <mok0> pochu: that ok, I can ask norsetto or one of the guys who have looked at it before
[20:49] <mok0> pochu: I just want to get it off my list :-)
[20:49]  * norsetto thinks mok0 will soon make his furst upload
[20:50] <mok0> norsetto: I think I will just wait and see
[20:51] <mok0> norsetto: If I'm not able to upload before the 23. I'll ping you :-)
[20:52] <norsetto> mok0: wait and see ....
[20:52] <sebner> mok0: what's on the 23ten?
[20:52] <sebner> 23 th
[20:52] <mok0> sebner: last day before hardy release :-)
[20:53] <sebner> mok0: I know  but why aren't you able to upload before this day?
[20:53] <mok0> sebner: because I am not a MOTU
[20:53] <sebner> mok0: but on 23th you become one?
[20:53] <mok0> sebner: but hope to be soon
[20:53] <sebner> mok0: ^^. I will follow you in some months :D
[20:54] <mok0> sebner: lol
[20:54] <emgent> heya
[20:56] <pochu> hi emgent
[21:07] <sebner> pochu: you are ff crazy guy, right?
[21:09] <pochu> sebner: lol, yes I am :)
[21:10] <sebner> pochu: ff 3.0 beta5 is out. /me waves :D
[21:10] <pochu> I love exceptions ;)
[21:10] <sebner> pochu: ff = firefox
[21:10] <sebner> ^^
[21:10] <pochu> well, I'm not a mozilla guy... tell fta, but he's likely aware :)
[21:10] <RainCT> sebner: officialy Fx but well :P
[21:10] <sebner> RainCT: never heard about Fx for firefox ^^
[21:11] <pochu> try: upload_package()
[21:11] <RainCT> learned that in spreadfirefox.com (and it's explained on firefox.com's FAQ iirc) :P
[21:11] <pochu> except FeatureFreezeException: request_exception()
[21:11] <pochu> :)
[21:11] <sebner> hrhr
[21:11] <fta> beta5 out ? i don't think so; it's still in QA
[21:11] <sebner> RainCT: well in german it's common to say ff
[21:12] <RainCT> sebner: everywhere I know actually :)
[21:12] <sebner> ^^
[21:13] <sebner> fta: not offical I suppose ^^ ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.0b5/linux-i686/
[21:14] <fta> yes, but that's just b5 rc2 for now
[21:14] <fta> http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0b5/releasenotes/
[21:15] <fta> and if you run it, you'll get: http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0b5/whatsnew/
[21:15] <fta> "it's a trap! You've downloaded a release candidate of Firefox 3 Beta 5"
[21:15] <sebner> fta: ohhh :\ ^^
[21:42] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/204066
[21:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204066 in puppet "Please sync puppet 0.24.4-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:42] <jcastro> can a motu look at this when they get a chance?
[21:43] <jcastro> according to the wiki a sync request should have a ubuntu-universe-sponsors added to it, I hope that's still the case.
[21:43] <sebner> jcastro: why is ubuntu-archive subscribed? and set to Confirmed?
[21:44] <jcastro> I don't know how ubuntu-archive got subscribed
[21:44] <jcastro> should the status be New?
[21:44] <sebner> jcastro: yes
[21:45] <DktrKranz> sebner, basically because thom is core-dev :)
[21:45] <sebner> DktrKranz: ^^
[21:45] <sebner> jcastro: btw. it's a new upstream release. only bugfixes?
[21:45] <sebner> jcastro: otherwise you need a FFe
[21:45] <jcastro> yes.
[21:46] <jcastro> according to the upstream maintainer it's strictly bugfixes
[21:46] <andrea_c7a> Hi. I created a debdiff to fix bug #201330. Now I should look for a sponsor but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess is not very clear on how to do this. Shall I set it as "Fix Released" ? Why not "Fix Committed" ? Why "unsubscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors" ?
[21:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201330 in compiz "Need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201330
[21:46] <sebner> jcastro: ok
[21:46] <sebner> DktrKranz: It's you turn :P
[21:48] <DktrKranz> sebner, huh=
[21:48] <DktrKranz> s/=/\?/
[21:48] <sebner> DktrKranz: he is looking for a motu :P
[21:49] <DktrKranz> compiz requires core-dev superpowers :)
[21:49] <sebner> ah
[21:49] <sebner> DktrKranz: they should leave a comment -.-
[21:49] <sebner> jcastro: they are already working on it. just wait
[21:49] <jcastro> cool, thanks so much!
[21:50] <sebner> I haven't done anything but ok. you're welcome ^^
[21:51] <andrea_c7a> DktrKranz: I have no core-dev superpowers but aren't common mortals still allowed to propose a patch to fix a bug ?
[21:52] <DktrKranz> andrea_c7a, of course :)
[21:53] <ajmitch> jcastro: hey dude
[21:53] <DktrKranz> but I could be little help here
[21:54] <andrea_c7a> shall I click "nominate for release" after sending a comment with the patch attached ?
[21:54] <andrea_c7a> has anybody here ever done this before ?
[21:57] <afflux> andrea_c7a: first of all, you should create a debdiff. Afterwards, subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors and then wait untill the patch get's uploaded by a sponsor.
[22:01] <andrea_c7a> debdiff is done. I'm about to send it and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors as you say. Thanx for help
[23:05] <RainCT> good night
[23:58] <norsetto> yes, g'night all