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[12:11] <SuperLag> Do you guys have much luck updating to $NEW_UBUNTU when they come out, or are you always on the bleeding edge anyways?
[12:13] <SuperLag> ohhh.... good thing I lurk. I just saw this:
[12:13] <SuperLag> 04:48 < christian_lappy> i tried to upgrade my 13.04 to 13.10 but the update manager crashes
[12:13] <SuperLag> 04:48 < christian_lappy> and do-release-upgrade exits without a notice with return code 1
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Hey folks


[00:43] <guzzlefry> Can anyone recommend a lightweight music library manager/player similar to foobar200 or Amarok?
[00:44] <bazhang> audacious is plenty light
[00:46] <bazhang> !info audacious
[00:58] <pavlushka> bazhang: +1 :)
[00:58]  * pavlushka actually loves it :)
[01:20] <guzzlefry> hrm, anything that supports samba protocol?
[01:21] <bazhang> what do you need
[01:21] <bazhang> something like mpd?
[01:21] <bazhang> you need to give us the full picture on your needs
[01:23] <guzzlefry> bazhang: I more or less want something that will manage an audio library from smb://my-server/media/music
[01:24] <bazhang> to what end
[01:24] <bazhang> is this to stream housewide or otherwise
[01:28] <guzzlefry> I have a NAS with music on it that is served via samba. I just want a media player that can handle scanning/creating a library from that source.
[01:52] <n-iCe> I just notices there is no volume icon
[01:52] <n-iCe> Any idea?
[01:53] <guzzlefry> I don't have one either. I've just been using the keyboard to control volume.
[01:54] <guzzlefry> n-iCe: you probably want to install xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
[01:59] <n-iCe> oh
[01:59] <n-iCe> thanks
[03:07] <n-iCe> xubuntu gave 8100 of swap
[03:08] <n-iCe> is not that a lot?
[03:08] <Rarrikins> n-iCe: 8100 megabytes?
[03:08] <n-iCe> GB
[03:08] <n-iCe> I mean, 8GB
[03:08] <n-iCe> yes
[03:08] <n-iCe> MB
[03:08] <n-iCe> hahaha
[03:09] <Rarrikins> If you have 8 GB of RAM, it probably did that because hibernation uses swap.
[03:09] <n-iCe> yes I have 8GB
[03:09] <n-iCe> so, hibernation takes 8GB of Ram?
[03:09] <n-iCe> what about the guys who just use 512MB ram
[03:09] <Rarrikins> Yeah. Hibernation stores what's in RAM into the disk, then turns off power, killing the contents of RAM.
[03:10] <Rarrikins> They can use only 512 MB swap and still have hibernation.
[03:14] <n-iCe> oh
[03:16] <Rarrikins> There are some nice new technologies like XPoint RAM coming out where RAM doesn't die when power shuts off, so in several years, perhaps there will be no need for that.
[06:54] <pavlushka> I am getting this prompt http://imgur.com/a/ZBJix after kernel upgrade this morning.
[07:00] <pavlushka> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/23114960/
[10:26] <nikolam> Making HD image of an HD for more then 12 hours from 240G drive to 7z archive, with command:  sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=8M | 7z -si /mnt/Backup/sdb.7z
[10:27] <nikolam> It is ntfs drive with 2 partitions, where firs is filled with aroung 30G and second just about 400M. Previously I filled both partitions with zeroes for empty space (dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/sdb2/zeoo.file and deleted them)
[10:28] <nikolam> 7z archive is around 13.5G but process has not yet finished
[10:28] <nikolam> Previously I used to do dd without compression and it seemes it worked faster (But it complained after filling 160G drive)
[10:29] <nikolam> So thing is that I don't have idea when it will finish, 7z stays on 0% while having that 13.5G 7z archive
[10:30] <nikolam> 7z uses both cores (and now probably is doing compression of zeroes from dd)
[10:32] <tmsbrg> I'm not very knowledgeable of 7z but is it possible it expects a full file or something to compress?
[10:32] <tmsbrg> how's your RAM, `free -h`?
[10:37] <nikolam> Ram is ok, says 479M used out of 3G, shared 439M, 2.5G buffers, 2G available
[10:39] <nikolam> hm it's interesting, but 7z has that -si option for standard input and is actively using both cores
[10:40] <nikolam> I can only guess that when I was doing it without 7z, I had impression it is faster because it filled 160G and stopped, where now is 240G, yet takes very long.
[10:40] <nikolam> I have to wait now, no other option I see. Hope power will not go down for some reason :P
[10:45] <nikolam> hah, waiting pays out.
[10:45] <nikolam> 7z says "everything is Ok" :)
[10:50] <tmsbrg> nice
[12:50] <supsup> the other day my hard drive failed and i had to run a repair on it for some missing inodes, that seems to have fixed the problem but now when i try to do an dist-upgrade it has errors about: Preconfiguring packages ...dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'brltty-x11' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed  -- I've tried to reinstall the packages but it just says the same thing
[12:50] <supsup> should i reinstall the OS, or should I replace the hard drive?
[12:52] <knome> how many errors there are?
[12:53] <knome> i guess ultimately you might want to look at replacing the hard drive anyway
[12:57] <supsup> 8 errors
[12:59] <supsup> here is paste of the errors: http://pastebin.com/C0v5s4J5
[14:35] <hankthecrank> When I run my Intel Atom from DVD, I get full 1920x1080 video. Once installed to hard drive, the best I get is 1024x768. Can anyione help?
[15:32] <CodFection> whoever made xubuntu must be the kindest man ever
[15:33] <CodFection> I absolutely love it. light weight + ubuntu
[15:36] <CodFection> however I am worried if I might miss anything from vanilla ubuntu (unity)
[15:36] <xangua> Like what?
[15:36] <genii> If you haven't already missed it, then I'm sure you'll do fine...
[15:37] <CodFection> and when changing appearance items names are not aligned
[15:37] <CodFection> have to restart
[15:37] <xangua> Huh what
[15:38] <CodFection> file system, trash all those name
[15:38] <CodFection> names in desktop
[15:38] <CodFection> goes disaligned
[16:07] <hankthecrank> ?
[16:09] <knome> !
[16:28] <glitchd> hello all
[16:29] <glitchd> how can i get rid of the white background in my systray?
[16:30] <xangua> glitchd: you mean the indicator stuff? Use another gtk3 theme or you can add a regular system tray
[16:31] <pavlushka> glitchd: change the theme
[16:32] <glitchd> while it is indeed possible to fix it by changing the theme, i like this theme and was able to fix it by changing something in the gtkrc on another install with the same thing, so it is possible and id rather not change the theme.
[16:32] <glitchd> so im looking for a solution that does not involve changing the theme
[16:33] <xangua> Remove indicators and just use regular system tray
[16:42] <glitchd> those are not the solutions i am looking for..
[16:42] <glitchd> those are the "i dont know how to fix it" type of solutions.
[16:42] <glitchd> no offense, but i want to keep my theme.
[16:44] <glitchd> thx for the intended help everyone, ill just have to find the answer somewhere else.
[16:44] <xangua> Well you already know what to do, search that specific string in your theme config
[16:45] <glitchd> i have compared the gtkrc from the other install that had the problem fixed, and just cant find any changes/differences
[16:46] <xangua> As for myself I already spend too much time doing that with gtk2 days
[16:47] <mrkramps> glitchd, "compared" in terms of diff?
[16:48] <glitchd> mrkramps, compared in the sense that i lined the 2 files up and compared them line for line visually
[16:48] <xangua> Lol
[16:49] <mrkramps> sounds time consuming …
[16:49] <xangua> Is this the same theme? Is this the same Ubuntu version install? What theme is it?
[16:50] <mrkramps> glitchd, would you mind explaining the issue once again, i joined later
[16:50] <glitchd> mrkramps, sure
[16:52] <glitchd> mrkramps, i have ubuntu 16.04.1 x64 installed with xubuntu-desktop installed as my dm. there is a white background in my systray/notification area that makes it really hard to see the icons contained there. i want to change it back to transparent. i was able to accomplish this on another install so i know its possible, however i cannot find the article that helped me do it last time.
[16:52] <xangua> There is an ambience/radiance theme for xfce that addresses one of the issues you mention (incorrect background in the indicators) , you can find it in xfce-look.org
[16:53] <mrkramps> glitchd, is this a permanent issue or does it vanish after restarting the panel?
[16:54] <glitchd> mrkramps, it appears to be permanent, i have restarted the panel just now to confirm
[16:54] <mrkramps> glitchd, and which theme is affected?
[16:54] <glitchd> the theme i am using is called "drakefire"
[16:55] <glitchd> i fixed it on another install, so i know its possible
[16:55] <mrkramps> i would like to have allook at this theme, could you provide a link maybe?
[16:56] <glitchd> ill try to find it hold on real quick
[16:57] <mrkramps> i guess it might be "drakfire" then?
[16:57] <glitchd> mrkramps, it is indeed
[16:58] <glitchd> mrkramps, however i am not finding it on any website anymore
[16:58] <mrkramps> drakfire dream suite or drakfire adwaita?
[16:58] <glitchd> mrkramps, although i definatly got it from xfce-look.org
[16:58] <xangua> Wasp hard drakefire mod?
[16:58] <glitchd> the folder in my .themes folder just says "drakefire"
[16:59] <mrkramps> hmpf … drakfire equinox? drafire ultra white? drakfire evolution?
[16:59] <mrkramps> could be continued for 3 more pages :S
[17:00] <mrkramps> glitchd, https://www.xfce-look.org/search?projectSearchText=drakfire
[17:00] <xangua> And most if not all, are gtk2 themes
[17:01] <mrkramps> xangua, xfce-look only list this category
[17:01] <glitchd> i think drakefire black is the closest to what i have currently
[17:01] <mrkramps> afaik newer once are already gtk hybrid themes
[17:02] <xangua> mrkramps: wait what, only gtk2 themes?
[17:03] <xangua> :-\
[17:03] <mrkramps> xangua, gtk2-themes is the only category they have over there
[17:03] <mrkramps> as said, newer themes published there should already have gtk2 and gtk3
[17:05] <mrkramps> but Drakfire Black is only GTK2
[17:06] <glitchd> http://lookpic.com/O/i2/1810/cv4pBLhG.jpeg
[17:07] <glitchd> that is a link to a picture of my systray and my problem
[17:07] <mrkramps> pretty much looks like the indicator plugin is not themed correctly
[17:07] <glitchd> yep indeed
[17:07] <glitchd> indicator-plugin/systray/notification area
[17:07] <glitchd> its all the same thing
[17:07] <mrkramps> actually not
[17:07] <xangua> Is not
[17:08] <glitchd> ...lol ok
[17:08] <mrkramps> systray and indicator are two different plugins
[17:08] <glitchd> ok, ill keep that in mind, thx
[17:09] <xangua> Indicators are exclusive to Ubuntu, just remove it from your panel and use the regular xfce system tray as I said in the very beginning
[17:09] <mrkramps> and xfce4-indicator-plugin depends on libgtk-3-0
[17:10] <xangua> Also if this is a only gtk2 theme, remember xubuntu uses a mix of gtk2 and 3 apps so gtk3 apps won't be correctly themed
[17:18] <glitchd> that doesnt sound right..
[17:19] <glitchd> i have another install of 16.04 but its a 32 bit install and i was able to fix this problem by simply changing somethign in the gtkrc
[17:19] <glitchd> how is it that i cannot fix this with the same method in a 64 bit install?\
[17:20] <xangua> Then just copy the theme to your other box¿
[17:23] <glitchd> i tried  that already, it didnt fix anything
[17:25] <xangua> Is this a gtk2 only theme
[17:26] <glitchd> i have no idea..
[17:33] <glitchd> welp im tired of trying to fix this, i just changed to a dark icon theme and thats good enough for now
[17:33] <glitchd> thank you everyone for the help, much appreciated.
[17:33] <glitchd> adios
[17:34] <xangua> You should be able to tell if you look at the theme directory...
[17:34] <xangua> Oh OK
[17:34] <glitchd> xangua, what do u mean?
[17:37] <glitchd> ok, nevermind
[17:37] <glitchd> adios
[19:52] <Ximi> hi
[19:53] <knome> hello
[19:53] <atello> Hello everyone, just dropped in to say that I've recently started using xubuntu on my work laptop and it's been great so far!
[19:53] <atello> Thanks for all your hard work!
[19:54] <knome> thanks, and enjoy
[19:55] <atello> everything worked right out of the box, which was really great compared to 5 years ago when I was using another distro
[19:55] <Ximi> hi. i just installed xubuntu fo my young brother. I get a problem with nm applet
[19:55] <knome> atello, things are getting better every year indeed :)
[19:56] <atello> One funny little issue I've ran into, and this seems to be related to intel's driver (or the modprobe config it sets up) where the wifi indicator LED on my laptop would flash based on the speed of the network. Pretty easy to fix, thanks to google, but was quite amusing either way
[19:56] <atello> the laptop has a centrino advanced n-6200 wifi card, so if anyone else has this issue, it's very well documented on various forums.
[19:58] <Ximi> My issue is different. i goole about it. no solution so far.
[19:58] <atello> what are the symptoms ximi?
[19:58] <atello> applet doesn't load?
[20:00] <Ximi> I connect after start up normally, but if I disconnect or disable wifi no acces poit will show in the list. so times it reconnect autoatically but the applet do not refresh the status
[20:01] <atello> what sort of wifi card does your computer have?
[20:02] <atello> I've ran into this issue in a way as well, but on my end it happened after I restarted the network card via command line
[20:02] <Ximi> wait ...
[20:02] <atello> it still connected, but like yours the list of networks appeared "disabled"
[20:05] <Ximi>  RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller atello
[20:07] <atello> did you try updating drivers?
[20:07] <atello> or are you using whatever the OS decided was relevant?
[20:07] <atello> if not, check this out:
[20:08] <atello> driver here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[20:08] <atello> instructions here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1239342&highlight=RTL8192E+Wireless&page=9
[20:08] <atello> note that the instructions are for a different driver version, but the steps should be the same, just substitute your version in the steps
[20:10] <Ximi> I read in journalctrl something about called ofono not found
[20:10] <Ximi> should i install it
[20:10] <atello> Never heard of it. Maybe someone else has?
[20:13] <mrkramps> something about mobile telephony: https://01.org/ofono
[20:14] <mrkramps> if journal lists a warning, just ignore
[20:14] <mrkramps> if it is an error, pls paste the whole error
[20:14] <Ximi> it is just a warring
[20:16] <Ximi> atello, realtek site do not have driver for kernel 4.4!!!! unfortunately!!!
[20:16] <atello> ah, that's unfortunate
[20:17] <atello> do you have a usb wifi dongle you could use instead?
[20:17] <atello> so, interesting thing I just ran into.
[20:18] <atello> I have a monitor hooked up to my laptop via display port, and I just wanted to connect another monitor via vga, but I cannot seem to enable both external displays at once
[20:21] <atello> ah, looking into it, it seems that the intel gpu doesn't support triple-head with displayport
[20:25] <Wayward_Vagabond> Is there a file I can look at to see what caused my laptop to shutdown while I was at work?
[20:25] <Wayward_Vagabond> Ie an error, overheating, power failure
[20:26] <Wayward_Vagabond> Xubuntu 14.04lts
[20:26] <Ximi> see log files
[20:26] <mrkramps>  /var/log/syslog
[20:26] <mrkramps> and depending on logrotate maybe /var/log/syslog.1
[20:27] <mrkramps> but if it's overheating the emergency shutdown will be initiated by BIOS afaik and nothing's logged
[20:28] <atello> have you checked your bios? I haven't heard of it but maybe some have logging?
[20:28] <atello> would the kernel capture that kind of event?
[20:29] <atello> maybe the kern.log file might have some info (should be in the same folder, /var/log/)
[20:30] <atello> there's a gui log viewer you can get (if it's not already installed) called gnome-system-log
[20:33] <atello> Ximi, any progress?
[20:33] <Wayward_Vagabond> The last 3 entries in syslog are  CRON[1678]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) at 11:17, 12:17, and 13:17, before the boot up at 16:02
[20:33] <Ximi> atello no
[20:34] <Ximi> i'm try in other channels my be I get some hints
[20:34] <atello> Wayward_Vagabond http://man.cx/run-parts(8)
[20:34] <atello> check to see if that is running a script that is causing the reboot
[20:35] <Wayward_Vagabond> I had a few weeks up uptime before
[20:35] <atello> hm
[20:35] <Wayward_Vagabond> And it wasn't a reboot per se- it was sitting there shut down when i got home
[20:35] <atello> ah
[20:36] <atello> desktop or laptop?
[20:36] <atello> oh you said laptop already
[20:37] <atello> So that rules out power outage
[20:37] <Wayward_Vagabond> Doesn't look like there's anything of interest in the logs
[20:37] <Wayward_Vagabond> Yeah, battery wasn't flat dead
[20:38] <atello> what apps do you remember that were running on it before you left?
[20:38] <Wayward_Vagabond> Two most plasible theories are it overheated, or firefox's bloated ass crashed the system
[20:39] <Ximi> I thing the proble is in Indicator plugin not in nm-applet.
[20:39] <atello> Ximi, could be. What version of the plugin are you running?
[20:40] <atello> Wayward_Vagabond, those are plausible. Hell, firefox can cause the former on its own :)
[20:40] <atello> Any indication of a kernal panic?
[20:40] <Ximi> atello, 2.3.3
[20:40] <atello> I guess not, how would you know, right?
[20:41] <Wayward_Vagabond> only kernel panic I've ever seen was from errors in intial setup of an install
[20:41] <atello> Ximi, I have the same.  I update, upgrade, dist-upgrade to install latest kernels, I install restricted extra and mpv and vlc and fonts, ...... I reboot many timed
[20:44] <Ximi> evry thing is perfect except this issue
[20:44] <atello> try removing (purge) the plugin and reinstalling it
[20:45] <atello> I'm sure it has a config file somewhere, that might have some clues?
[20:45] <Ximi> I try pkill nm-applet and run nm-applet ... it is working perfectly
[20:46] <atello> Huh, so it WAS nm
[20:46] <Wayward_Vagabond> firefox seems to easily be able to clog the system so that the clock in panel stops ticking
[20:47] <atello> Yeah :(
[20:47] <atello> Firefox is a big girl
[20:48] <atello> I tend to use chrome, it's easier to work with in my opinion, privacy be damned, I'm not logged in with my personal account anyway
[20:56] <Ximi> Firefox and all major browser became very heavy on the system .... I,m thing to switch to w3m definitively
[20:57] <Ximi> ---- sorry for nomeanifgull zord..... QWERTY is not my native
[21:03] <atello> I've used i3 for a little bit. Feels really nice when you get used to it.
[21:22] <Ximi> atello, http://pastebin.com/Re6iXqUj
[21:23] <Ximi> do you have idea what that means???
[21:27] <atello> hm
[21:29] <atello> looks like a common issue actually
[21:29] <atello> with no concrete fixes lol
[21:29] <atello> try this for the time being:
[21:29] <atello> nm-applet --disable & exit
[21:29] <atello> then start it again
[21:33] <Ximi> nm-applet --disable do not work I kill it using pkill and restart it again in terminal where I get those warrings after disbling network and enable it again
[21:34] <atello> what does it say when you try to run it?
[21:35] <Ximi> http://pastebin.com/Re6iXqUj
[21:35] <atello> it gives that same error when you do nm-applet --disable & exit?
[21:37] <Ximi> I mean it run normally without any error, but when  I try to reproduce the issue I got this http://pastebin.com/Re6iXqUj.
[21:37] <Ximi> --disable does not work at all in my case
[21:39] <atello> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1576747
[21:39] <atello> The last comment has a workaround script that you can try
[21:44] <Ximi> atello, tnx. I'm reading on
[22:27] <n-iCe> guys
[22:27] <n-iCe> do you know any good pdf editor?
[22:27] <knome> define "pdf editor"
[22:27] <knome> edit a pdf file that exists, or create one?
[22:28] <n-iCe> edit one that exists
[22:29] <mrkramps> multiple pages?
[22:30] <n-iCe> just one
[22:30] <knome> also, what kind of editing?
[22:30] <mrkramps> import in inkscape or use lo draw with pdfimport plugin
[22:30] <atello> scribus is good
[22:30] <mrkramps> afaik scribus cannot import pdf Oo
[22:30] <atello> oh
[22:30] <atello> hm
[22:31] <atello> have you tried editing pdf in gimp?
[22:31] <atello> it's possible
[22:31] <n-iCe> I need to a edit a pdf
[22:31] <n-iCe> and print it
[22:31] <n-iCe> this one
[22:31] <n-iCe> http://www.condusef.gob.mx/PDF-s/formatos_reclamacion/f_banco_credito.pdf
[22:31] <atello> libreoffice draw can edit pdfs
[22:31] <mrkramps> well, ok … scribus cannot _import_ PDFs, but just open them =D
[22:32] <n-iCe> installing libreoffice-draw
[22:32] <atello> xournal has been suggested online as well
[22:32] <knome> ugh, that should've been done with pdf forms...
[22:32] <knome> xournal is okay, but the UI is a bit clumsy
[22:33] <atello> have you tried online pdf editors?
[22:33] <knome> in this case i might just copy-paste this to a text editor
[22:33] <n-iCe> awesome draw solved it
[22:33] <n-iCe> thanks!
[22:33] <mrkramps> and there is also PDFedit in the ubuntu repository
[22:34] <atello> cheers n-iCe
[22:35] <atello> so, I have a little non-issue that's been bugging me forever. I'm using Arc-Dark theme, and thunderbird's tabs have white ends (where the tab curves down). Anyone know of a fix besides using a different color scheme/theme?
[22:36] <knome> this isn't the answer you "want", but contact the theme author(s) / fix the theme yourself
[22:37] <atello> switching between themes, it doesn't seem like it's related to the themes themselves but the way thunderbird's tabs are rendered
[22:38] <atello> the ends of the tab graphic are separate images, and they're always a few shades lighter
[22:38] <knome> mhm... well, thunderbird can work with some userchrome css, but figuring out what to change there can be a bit baffling
[22:39] <atello> fixed it
[22:39] <mrkramps> lol oO
[22:39] <atello> installed a theme specifically for thunderbird in the client itself
[22:40] <atello> it changed the tabs from the "chrome" style rounded ones to square tabs
[22:40] <atello> no ends, no issues
[22:40] <atello> lol
[22:40] <mrkramps> easy workaround :)
[22:40] <knome> that's a possibility as well
[22:40] <atello> what's funny is that those shade differences on the default tabs is present even on the default theme, but you need to change your display's gamma to notice it
[22:41] <mrkramps> i've just checked … there's arc dark for firefox, but thunderbird support is still on the wishlist
[22:41] <atello> boo :(
[22:41] <atello> arc is so pretty
[22:41] <atello> too bad papers looks weird on xfce4
[22:41] <atello> otherwise i'd use that
[22:44] <n-iCe> it's weird
[22:44] <n-iCe> draw does not see it as text
[22:44] <n-iCe> like tables
[22:44] <n-iCe> and I cannot change fonts for all etc
[22:44] <knome> n-iCe, again, as it's mostly only text, i'd just copy-paste it
[22:44] <mrkramps> n-iCe, that's just a raw import
[22:45] <knome> you can easily re-create the table on libreoffice writer
[22:47] <n-iCe> ok
[22:57] <atello> wow lightDM is being a pita
[22:58] <knome> considering this is a family-friendly channel, i guess you mean it's a sort of bread.
[22:58] <atello> absolutely
[22:58] <atello> a delicious pita sandwich
[22:58] <atello> full of "doesn't have access to that folder" and chicken
[23:17] <atello> psa, don't uninstall thunar lol
[23:17] <atello> apparently it takes some desktop menu/config stuff with it.
[23:18] <atello> learn something new every day
[23:18] <knome> yes, the desktop is managed by thunar
[23:18] <Unit193> xfdesktop.
[23:18] <atello> It's a great manager, but I just wish it had dual panel
[23:18] <atello> no harm done, reinstalled it and everything works fine again


[01:14] <handsome_feng> Hi, Could someone here help me to upload the new packages? They have been approved: LP: #1792261 LP: #1792265 LP: #1792267 LP: #1792269 Thanks in advance!
[06:50] <cjwatson> infinity: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/cosmic/buildd exists
[06:53] <xnox> lamont, hey https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1793092 =) please check, and let me know if you have any questions.
[06:59] <ginggs> would someone please "force-badtest kicad/5.0.0+dfsg1-2/ppc64el' since the ppc64el binaries were removed?
[07:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Ta.
[07:04] <slangasek> ginggs: done
[07:05] <infinity> cjwatson: Sizes look plausibly similar to bionic, that's a good sign.
[07:05] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, what about using bileto to see how openssl behaves with rdeps/autopkgtests?
[07:05] <infinity> cjwatson: Will get to the comparing later today.
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[07:37] <ginggs> slangasek: thanks, and...
[07:38] <ginggs> would someone please 'force-badtest pandas/0.23.3-1fakesync1ubuntu1' ? - i believe it has regressed in release http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pandas/cosmic/amd64
[07:38] <ginggs> it slipped through the cracks in debian too https://ci.debian.net/packages/p/pandas/testing/amd64/ - i suspect it was the python2.7 upload
[07:56] <cjwatson> infinity: cheers
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[09:46] <slangasek> xnox: comment added
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[10:33] <infinity> ahasenack: With squid accepted, is there a plan to get it re-merged with Debian before release?
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[13:14] <mfo> slangasek, jbicha: thanks for your help w/ the nodejs stuff recently.  i see nodejs w/ openssl 1.0 is now in cosmic-release. \o/  thanks again.
[13:33] <juliank> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/autopkgtest/+git/development/+merge/355422
[13:34] <Laney> thx
[13:40] <Laney> Looks like we didn't merge britney since 2016
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, somebodu please fix ocfs2-tools hint
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> force-badtest ocfs2-tools/1.8.5-3ubuntu1/s390x ocfs2-tools/1.8.5-5ubuntu1/s390x ocfs2-tools/1.8.5-6ubuntu1
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[13:51] <slangasek> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/355423
[14:36] <ahasenack> infinity: hey, I hit an interesting issue with the squid-4 migration. squid3(src) produces a squid-dbg binary package, manually (it's in d/control), but the new squid-4(src) uses the automatic generation of dbgsym packages
[14:37] <ahasenack> infinity: so there is nothing obsoleting or replacing squid-dbg. I thought about using dh_strip's --dbgsym-migration, and am running a test with that, but that adds the breaks/replaces to all dbgsym packages that are produced
[14:37] <ahasenack> I'm not sure it will help. I'm trying with a new ppa build to see what will happen in an upgrade. Ah, and the other bit of info is that while before there was only one squid-dbg, now with dbgsym each subpackage gets its own dbgsym of course
[14:47] <oSoMoN> can someone review and merge https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-libreoffice/+merge/355442 please?
[14:50] <slangasek> ahasenack: requires some manual surgery.  Is squid3 source package to be removed for 18.10?
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[15:58] <wxl> cjwatson: it was suggested a while back that you're the best resource for grokking isolinux. lubuntu is having a problem in that its logos don't seem to show at all, which is unfortunately a problem relative to them simply being fuzzy :/ https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/debian-cd/ubuntu/+merge/353762
[17:27] <lamont> xnox: was that openssl thing really to me?  I'll look at it later today
[22:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: aom (cosmic-proposed/primary) [1.0.0-2]
[23:32] <mfo> slangasek, ah! _one_ nodejs autopkgtest fix for Bionic now (it's the only one listed in the pending-sru page), node-tap in LP 1793612, please. :) thanks!


 They're very different devices internally
 The size is similar but the N5X has far better specs, although that comes at the cost of not working with any of the same roms
 Also don't buy the N5X
 They will all die
 Bootloop of death
 Where the big CPU cores break
 And if that doesn't kill it then the eMMC will probably fail eventually in a similar way
[00:04] <KNERD> yeah, thanks for that input. It seems all the good devices are selling for a high price due to support by various Linux ROMS like UB Ports
[00:04] <KNERD> I guess I will just have to wait for another round of PinePhone release
 @Paul JL [I saw this and was curious. … https://www.zdnet.com/article/t-mobile-backs-ubuntu- …], That's old, and the news article was misleading - it was actually a kind of advisement consortium canonical formed, nothing in joining said they would release phones
[00:23] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> To your knowledge, is there any Ubuntu phone that can be used on the T-Mobile network?
 So far they all "work"
 Just not volte on any devices yet
 So you need to use 3g if you want to receive calls
 Nexus 5 works fine.
[02:08] <KNERD> starting next year, only phones with VoLTE will function on them for calls
 Oh yeah, forgot about that.
 I will just have to move to pinephone then
 eventually volte will make its way there
[02:34] <KNERD> It's alreayd on it
 @LostVX [Are there any games out there for ubt], There are a number of games available, but all simpler 2D stuff. Asteroids, Snowball World, Pacman Pack, PathWind, UBports Netwalk, Yatzy, Halloween 16, Esviji, Aircraftwar, Coil, Five Letters, Frogger, Mines, Save The Forest, T-tris - are among the better ones to me.
 @Paul JL [To your knowledge, is there any Ubuntu phone that can be used on the T-Mobile ne …], any that supports US GSM bands
 i used nexus 5 with UT on t-mo US for ~3 years
 @mateosalta [Just not volte on any devices yet], i think it's not entirely clear on whether volte works or not on all devices
 @Paul JL [To your knowledge, is there any Ubuntu phone that can be used on the T-Mobile ne …], On T-mobile I've used OnePlus One receiving 4G, and Meizu Pro 5 receiving HSPA/3G.  I've had no problems with calls with either,tested  in TX, CA and FL.
 @mrcyjanek [Hey! Can anybody confirm that notifications in Pesbuk are working or not?], it should work if you prevent suspension via UTTT. However, I noticed that recently, the site doesn't update the notification sigils anymore even when not suspended. Push notifications rely on these. Not sure if this was caused by a UT update or th
[03:51] <ubptgbot> r facebook mobile site itself
 @Javacookies [it should work if you prevent suspension via UTTT. However, I noticed that recen …], Okay, should I also keep the app opened in background?
 hey, i have a questions, the google nexus 6 is supported for Ubuntu touch installer? or?
 @mrcyjanek [Okay, should I also keep the app opened in background?], yes, it should be opened on the background. The push notification support is really just a workaround since we can't expect facebook to provide that to is 😄
 @Boris Mihailov [Would crossbuilder help me for the onscreen keyboard? I would actually like to t …], I used crossbuilder when I was working on the keyboard although I remember that I did a few things before I got it to work properly. Not sure if that's improved now since it's been while 😄
 @Javacookies [yes, it should be opened on the background. The push notification support is rea …], Okay! Thanks
 @Lirrums [hey, i have a questions, the google nexus 6 is supported for Ubuntu touch instal …], 🤔🤔🤔
[04:04] <KNERD> On screen keyboard? PinePhone is going to get a physical one!
 On the website, there is the google Nexus 6P, but I would like to know if the google Nexus is compatible with UT :(
 @Lirrums [On the website, there is the google Nexus 6P, but I would like to know if the go …], I think only the 6p has a functional port. There might be a port for 6 but it might not be functional or got abandoned already
 Oh hey I was trying to port the nexus 6 once upon a time but ran into a lot of issues
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/mc5PLfX2.png
[08:53] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I have problems installing maliit-framework and maliit-plugins for compiling the keyboard. I have unmet dependencies and the ppa doesn't exist anymore (because I guess it has been decided to be included in the distro) … Can somebody with 18.04 (or even 16.04) check if they have everything they need?
 @Boris Mihailov [I have problems installing maliit-framework and maliit-plugins for compiling the …], osk -> @Javacookies ?
 @Boris Mihailov [I have problems installing maliit-framework and maliit-plugins for compiling the …], I got it working when I was still on 16.04. Let me check on this again when I get the chance. What branch are you using? I think it should still be `xenial` instead of `master`
[10:54] <ubptgbot> Scott Mahshie was added by: Scott Mahshie
[10:57] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Javacookies [I got it working when I was still on 16.04. Let me check on this again when I ge …], It's a HEAD based branch I think, but it's the same with xenial from what I've seen. Will try to compile the xenial one too
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Nope, same error
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> It asks for the maliit framework (I haven't installed it on my machine), and when I'm trying to install it there are unmet dependencies that I can't seem to solve (missing packages). If I don't find a quick way, will try and building the framework from source
[11:02] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I've read somewhere that it should be possible to build it directly on the device if I set it up right, but that was when I was doing my research 3-4 months ago, so not sure if I read or dreamed about it :D
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL1BLzn3qc
 I think you can and you might not even need crossbuilder for that but I never tried that
 I only do on device development for QML-only changes
[11:09] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Javacookies [I only do on device development for QML-only changes], Can you point me to the right documentation ?
 no, I don't think there's a documentation for that. But if you really want, you can mount your rootfs as rw then resize it so that you can install stuffs. Then try compiling it normally.
[11:14] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Got it. Still a direction. Ty
[11:17] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Tsoutsanis> @Alexander Tsoutsanis [Hi all, after updating MX4 arale (ubuntu edition) to OTA 10 back in fall 19, I a …], Gentle nudge for the above. Bash command line to enable dev mode via Terminal is much appreciated (as system settings GUI has bug and crashes).
 @Alexander Tsoutsanis [Hi all, after updating MX4 arale (ubuntu edition) to OTA 10 back in fall 19, I a …], You dont need dev mode, update happens through recovery. Use the UBports Installer, it will guide you through
 Dont check wipe! but check bootstrap
[12:48] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Tsoutsanis> Thank you Florian. This worked. System setting bugs also fixed in this OTA. Vielen dank !
 Gerne!
[19:11] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> Paul My UBports CE PinePhone cannot make calls on T-Mobile or Mint Mobile on 4G but it receives calls and sends and receives texts. It will make calls on 2G/3G setting but then texts do not work. All calling and texting functions work for me on Mobian though.
[19:31] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @mateosalta Checking my PinePhone IMEI on T-Mobile currently lists the phone as missing Extended Range LTE and VoLTE.  … I assume something is different in the Ofono software that UT uses than the Mobian Modem Manager software as I can only receive calls with UT versus being able to make and receive calls on Mobian.
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Listening to you guys talk makes me think this whole thing is over my head. I really don't like the idea of Google and other companies like them having access to my information. Who knows how far this will go? Will they be able to listen in on everything after a while? Will they be able to use my camera in my phone to spy on me? What are
[19:41] <ubptgbot> some resources I can use to educate myself?
 huh
 i don't know what you're asking, but it seems a bit overly paranoid
 @Paul JL [Listening to you guys talk makes me think this whole thing is over my head. I re …], If you use Ubuntu touch you are already way safer
 The safest device on Ubuntu touch is pine phone due to not having the android container
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you. 😉
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Amy, what network does the UT run on?
 @Paul JL [Amy, what network does the UT run on?], ? Wdym
 Carrier? It depends on the phone
 I use EE
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> My Samsung A 20 runs on the T-Mobile network. Can I run the UT  T-Mobile or do I need to switch to another Network?
 @Paul JL [Amy, what network does the UT run on?], any GSM network
 UT works fine on T-mobile
 @Paul JL [My Samsung A 20 runs on the T-Mobile network. Can I run the UT  T-Mobile or do I …], It should run fine
 Samsung A20 is not a supported device though
 @dohbee [Samsung A20 is not a supported device though], Can't it be ported if he wants to try
 maybe
[19:50] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Rodney, I'm not entirely happy with my a20. Plus in order to stay off of tracking I have to have my phone set up to where apps like maps and even MapQuest set to not disclose my location unless I'm using the app. However when it set that way it doesn't know where I am and I have to plug in an address so it can find me. It's a pain in the
[19:50] <ubptgbot> butt!
 @Paul JL [Rodney, I'm not entirely happy with my a20.  Isn't ROM read-only memory? How does that work on a cell phone?
 that wasn't me
[19:53] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Sorry, that was Amy.
 anyway in terms of android "ROM" is the set of images you flash to the device; which tend to be read-only yes
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> This thing is way over my head. Is there someplace I can read up about this and then ask some questions?
 just like if you have a flashable gameboy cart and flash a gameboy game rom to it
 well there's "the internet"
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I'm not a gamer and by no means a techie.
 but beyond that i don't know of what specific place to go for whatever it is you're lacking
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> The internet is a big place. Can you point me in the right direction?
 i think you're probably trying to think too much about it though
[19:56] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I guess I'll look up Android ROM and see what I can find out.
 i guess you could read up on lineageos
 but this is getting pretty off topic for here, as it's not about UT
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Wait a minute ... UT doesn't use an Android system so what does Android ROM have to do with that?
 in terms of your original question, UT will work on t-mobile just fine
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Thanks Rodney, that's all I wanted to know. I guess I can learn anything else I need to on the Fly.
 @Paul JL [Wait a minute ... UT doesn't use an Android system so what does Android ROM have …], UT does run a very minimal Android in a container, on devices that shipped with android, as it's the only way to get hardware to work
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I guess what I'll do is order myself a UT because I understand it takes a long time to get here from Europe. Once I have it in hand I'll see if you guys can help me make it work.
 @Paul JL [Wait a minute ... UT doesn't use an Android system so what does Android ROM have …], People always call us ROM since that term (for whatever reason) was adopted for any Android installable OS. I think its not the best name. But we are very different from pure Android, including how to install, so we always tell people Ubuntu Tou
[20:00] <ubptgbot> ch is not an Android ROM. Well.. its confusing I agree ^^
 @Paul JL [I guess what I'll do is order myself a UT because I understand it takes a long t …], Just make sure you order one of the supported devices. Check https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 note that not all of those are installable from the installer
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> So the UT is an operating system and not a phone. More new information.
 probably a nexus 4 or 5 is the easiest/cheapest to get
 @Paul JL [So the UT is an operating system and not a phone. More new information.], that is right. Obvious for us. Obvioudly not for everyone. 😁
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Danfro, 🤣 so true. I guess I'll look for a phone now and then get back to you guys about how to install the new operating system.
 Make sure it is in the list first
 @Paul JL [Danfro, 🤣 so true. I guess I'll look for a phone now and then get back to you g …], Do that. Then head over to @welcomeplus for install related questions.
[20:16] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Danfro: Thank you and thanks to all here for your help.
[20:18] <ubptgbot> tlatsch was added by: tlatsch
 @Paul JL [Danfro: Thank you and thanks to all here for your help.], You are welcome. ☺
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @Paul JL [Listening to you guys talk makes me think this whole thing is over my head. I re …], If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about privacy issues and how to address them on computers as well as phones. He talks about how to de-Google phones, as well concerns about Apple’s practices.
 @Karl Kelso [If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about priv …], Is he the guy that did that video on /e/ lmao
[21:01] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @amyosx [Is he the guy that did that video on /e/ lmao], Not sure, I have only seen a handful of his videos but it seems like I remember seeing him talk about either /e/ or Lineage, possibly both.
[21:07] <ubptgbot> VikingoAr was added by: VikingoAr
 Hi!
 Quiero descargar "UBUNTU TOUCH" .No tendré problema extra?
[21:15] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> @Karl Kelso [If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about priv …], Thanks Karl! I'll look him up and see what I can find out. 🤘😎
[21:17] <ubptgbot> antipodes_1953 was added by: antipodes_1953
 @VikingoAr [Quiero descargar "UBUNTU TOUCH" .No tendré problema extra?], this group is in English. If you'd prefer to use Spanish, you can join https://t.me/UBports_ES
 Thank you!
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @Paul JL [Thanks Karl! I'll look him up and see what I can find out. 🤘😎], You are welcome. He is good place to start just for a primer on privacy since he touches on various aspects. If you are interested in the PinePhone specifically, the Pine64 forum has sub forums for different OSes and their level of functionality.
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I'm just interested in a UT that will run on the T-Mobile network. I'll look around and see what I can come up with.
 @Paul JL [I'm just interested in a UT that will run on the T-Mobile network. I'll look aro …], you can use UT on a nexus 5 on t-mobile just fine
 probably xperia x too
[22:40] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Thanks guys!
 (Photo, 468x661) https://irc.ubports.com/6nA0MdHE.png Ohh god!!
[23:21] <ubptgbot> NektarPgs was added by: NektarPgs
 @Karl Kelso [If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about priv …], The app  Brax.Me  is his work also iOS android and ubports


[14:16] <Laney> didrocks: could the failure to run be gtk-csd?
[14:18] <Laney> didrocks: yes, seems so
[14:18] <Laney> bug 585160
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585160 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Banshee crashes with RGBA enabled (affects: 6) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585160
[18:55] <edlik> I need some expert advise. I upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10, x wont load and shuts down my monitor. Ctrl+Alt+F1,2,3,4,5,6,8 produce a command line, and F7 shuts monitor down again. At command line "startx" produces fatal server error. I have googled and tried all of the suggested fixes to no avail. For a time I was able to enter into safe mode, but now even that is not an option. I would really like to rescue the upgrade if possible because I ha
[19:53] <ccheney> edlik, what kind of video card do you have?
[19:53] <edlik> Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated
[19:53] <edlik> Graphics Controller
[19:54] <ccheney> hmm, looking around a bit
[19:56] <ccheney> there are some known issues with intel 8xx but not 915 apparently
[19:56] <ccheney> have you updated your 10.04 to the latest updates/security fixes?
[19:58] <edlik> I just did that in recovery mode, rebooted, and still no gui
[19:58] <ccheney> so you are using 22.36 kernel then currently?
[19:59] <ccheney> i also see reference to i915.modeset=0 in the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes  that might help you if your system is having problems with kernel mode settings for video setup
[20:00] <ccheney> the i915 in that case i believe really refers to all newer intel video chipsets it just started with the i915 model
[20:01] <ccheney> if you do set that in your grub and then run update-grub (i think) and then reboot it will disable KMS as far as I know and that might make it work better for you
[20:01] <ccheney> if that doesn't help there may be one other option before talking to the X maintainer directly
[20:02] <ccheney> also did X work for you when booted off the live cd?
[20:03] <edlik> no x from live cd
[20:03] <ccheney> ok
[20:04] <ccheney> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa <- this page has some info on how to run the live disk with updated test packages to see if they help
[20:04] <ccheney> also you can directly use those packages on your system but i would probably advise first doing the test live setup first to see how it goes
[20:04] <ccheney> if none of that works file a bug report and/or talk to the x maintainer
[20:05] <ccheney> i think there may be some documentation on the wiki on how to file a bug report properly for the case where X is not working and you can't use ubuntu-bug (at least i think it doesn't work without X)
[20:05] <ccheney> ubuntu-bug is recommended when usable as it attaches all the needed info to the bug report so it can be fixed without requesting additional information
[20:10] <ccheney> edlik, if it worked in the prior version then i915.modeset=0 will probably fix it for you, but i don't know for certain
[20:10] <ccheney> edlik, if that does fix it then talking to the x maintainer to find out if it is a kernel related issue or a xorg driver issue would be the next step i think
[20:11] <edlik> ccheney: thanks for your help, I am editing grub right now
[20:11] <ccheney> edlik, if it is a driver issue then the xorg-edgers page above may be useful to test to see if it is fixed in the driver, but if its kms that is broken it would need a kernel fix
[20:12] <ccheney> edlik, i think there are newer kernels that you can try as well but i am not sure where they are located
[20:26] <edlik> i915.modeset=0 change to the boot log still forced a safe mode boot with no gui. just command line. Still checking your other suggestions
[20:27] <ccheney> edlik, ok
[20:28] <ccheney> edlik, RAOF when around may have better pointers on what to try to fix the issue, he is the new X maintainer
[20:29] <edlik> is he on this channel?
[20:30] <ccheney> edlik, yea but probably isn't at the keyboard
[20:30] <ccheney> edlik, he's been idle for 9hr at the moment
[20:30] <ccheney> edlik, and with it being a weekend may not be around too much
[20:33] <ccheney> RAOF, got any pointers for edlik to try before having him report a bug about his setup?
[20:41] <ccheney> edlik, when you did the i915.modeset=0 did it change the resolution of your text console?
[20:41] <ccheney> edlik, before using it should have been high resolution text console, but with the option set it should be low resolution
[20:41] <edlik> no change at all
[20:41] <ccheney> edlik, hmm
[20:42] <ccheney> edlik, roughly how many lines of text can you see on the console?
[20:42] <ccheney> edlik, if i remember correctly without kms it should be somewhere around 24 lines
[20:42] <ccheney> edlik, with working kms it should be probably double that
[20:44] <edlik> my console is about 1/9th the screen size and it appears as if the 24 lines of text would be accurate
[20:45] <ccheney> so without x running your console is showing up as only a small section of your screen? I assume that means you are on a lcd and that it is on set to stretch?
[20:46] <ccheney> er it is not set to stretch
[20:48] <edlik> old monitor, crt
[20:50] <ccheney> edlik, ok i'm confused then as a crt monitor should take whatever input and make it full screen by default from what i recall
[20:50] <ccheney> but it does sound like kms is not working
[20:51] <ccheney> i think there is a way to report the bug by running something on your machine and then copying it over to a working machine but not sure exactly how that works
[20:52] <ccheney> bryceh, do you happen to know the process or wiki page link?
[20:59] <edlik> not yet
[21:00] <ccheney> sorry I don't happen to know what the next step would be in debugging
[21:00] <ccheney> if you never get a high resolution text console then it sounds like kms is not working for you, which may be why you can't get X working as well
[21:00] <ccheney> so it might actually be a kernel problem, but i'm not certain
[21:07] <edlik> I did find a newer kernel from kernel.org, 2.6.34 is the latest stable release. How would I download from command line?
[21:08] <ccheney> you probably wouldn't want to use the one directly from kernel.org
[21:08] <ccheney> but there is a 2.6.35 kernel in maverick that might work
[21:09] <ccheney> if you wanted to try the 2.6.34 kernel out you could try a daily-live cd image
[21:10] <ccheney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:10] <ccheney> that has the latest of everything from the new development release of Ubuntu
[21:11] <ccheney> if the new maverick versions fix your problem then it probably should be fixed in the Lucid release since its an LTS
[21:13] <bryceh> ccheney, yeah this can be done using apport; I wrote up a procedure for it in the wiki.ubuntu.com/X debugging pages somewhere
[21:14] <ccheney> bryceh, ok
[21:14] <ccheney> edlik, see the wiki page bryceh mentioned once you get to the point of filing a bug
[21:14] <edlik> ok
[21:15] <ccheney> bryceh, you don't happen to know if kms is known broken for Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated  do you?
[21:15] <bryceh> ccheney, no, I'm not really keeping track of intel these days
[21:15] <ccheney> bryceh, ok
[21:15] <bryceh> ccheney, was understood to be working fine in lucid tho
[21:16] <ccheney> bryceh, ok, yea edlik tried to upgrade to lucid but it sounds like from what he is describing that kms is broken and that i915.modeset=0 doesn't help (not sure if you need a xorg.conf option as well though)
[21:17] <ccheney> bryceh, i'm having him try out the maverick daily live cd to see if it helps any, he said the lucid live cd also did not work for him, not just the upgrade on his system
[21:17] <bryceh> yeah dunno, should work.
[21:17] <bryceh> maybe a fresh install would work better
[21:18] <ccheney> edlik, oh yea another thing you may want to do is if your system has a bios update from manufacturer you may want to update it
[21:21] <edlik> I have never updated a bios before, I am looking at it right now but I have no idea how to update it. Any suggestions?
[21:21] <bryceh> google.  ;-)
[21:22] <edlik> :-[
[21:23] <ccheney> edlik, what kind of machine is it, laptop, desktop, etc?
[21:24] <edlik> desktop IBM thinkCentre
[21:24] <ccheney> edlik, do you know the exact model number?
[21:26] <ccheney> looks like there are about 40 different models of thinkCentre
[21:26] <edlik> mt-m 8171-3gu
[21:28] <ccheney> So it is ThinkCentre S51 8171-3gu ?
[21:29] <edlik> I dont see S51 anywhere, but the rest is correct
[21:29] <ccheney> ok, it is most likely this bios then
[21:29] <ccheney> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-55824
[21:30] <ccheney> to find it in the future go to www.lenovo.com -> support -> Download & Drivers -> Driver Matrices -> ThinkCentre -> (find machine type there)
[21:30] <ccheney> to use that bios you will probably need to get the iso version unless you system is dual boot with windows and then burn the iso and update the bios with it
[21:31] <ccheney> be careful not to turn off the machine while updating the bios as it probably warns you as well, if you do it will corrupt your bios
[21:32] <ccheney> if your system has the original bios then this may fix the issue as it has several video related fixes
[21:33] <ccheney> also it might allow your system to properly sleep if you have had trouble with that in the past
[21:39] <ccheney> edlik, once you have done that let me know if it helps any
[21:40]  * ccheney will be near computer so should be able to hear the beep, cleaning my office
[22:03] <edlik> ccheney: updated bios, still same issue with x, I tried an earlier version of the kernel from the grub list, still the same. I am not immediately forced into low graphics mode so here is my error msgs. "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)    "no drivers available". Fatal server error: No screens available
[22:04] <ccheney> hmm do you still have the problem with the lucid live cd?
[22:05] <ccheney> the failed to load module nvidia sounds wrong unless you have integrated graphics and a nvidia card also
[22:12] <edlik> no other cards, just integrated.
[22:17] <ccheney> edlik, ok well it sounds like it was trying to load a driver for an nvidia card, so there might be some sort of configuration issue on your installed system, trying the live cd might be a good idea
[22:19] <edlik> rebooting now
[22:19] <ccheney> ok
[22:21] <edlik> after splash screen my monitor shut down.
[22:22] <ccheney> interesting
[22:22] <ccheney> it didn't do that before did it?
[22:23] <ccheney> if you try doing the ctrl-alt-f1, etc does it show the console?
[22:23] <edlik> same behavior, I can get console
[22:26] <ccheney> is it high resolution console?
[22:26] <ccheney> or same as before the bios update?
[22:27] <edlik> high res
[22:27] <ccheney> ok
[22:28] <ccheney> so it seems that the bios did fix some of the issue then
[22:28] <ccheney> you might want to run the daily live cd from maverick and see if that fixes the Xorg problem not coming up
[22:28] <Tm_T> there's livecd now?
[22:28] <ccheney> this current booted system is running off the lucid live cd right?
[22:28] <ccheney> Tm_T, yes
[22:28] <Tm_T> jolly good
[22:28] <ccheney> Tm_T, we're already past alpha 1 :)
[22:28] <edlik> correct
[22:29] <Tm_T> ccheney: that doesn't mean anything (:
[22:29] <ccheney> edlik, ok since the lucid live cd works for the console high resolution then that means the resolution is good its just xorg having problems, trying maverick might fix the problem in that case, but i'm not sure
[22:30] <edlik> maveric is about half downloaded, will try as soon as possible
[22:30] <ccheney> edlik, in either case you should file a bug report and note that your console is high resolution but you can't get xorg to come up even on lucid live cd, and if you do test maverick live cd note if it worked or not
[22:31] <ccheney> edlik, on your installed system you might have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf that you don't need, if it is there you can look to see if it appears anything is useful in it and remove it if not, there may be a mention of the nvidia driver in there that you don't have a card for
[22:31] <edlik> how do I do that from the console?
[22:31] <ccheney> Tm_T, well yea it appears we have working live cds now, i installed using one of them a couple days ago http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:32] <ccheney> edlik, bryceh mentioned that there is a page under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X  that should explain how to report bugs on systems that don't have working X, i don't know the details myself
[22:38] <ccheney> maverick has the same intel video driver but a newer kernel and other bits so still might fix something
[23:39] <RAOF> edlik: Good morning - that error strongly suggests that you've got an /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifying the nvidia driver as your display driver.  If you don't have an nvidia card in the laptop, that's obviously not going to work :)


[00:24] <oerheks> "Retbleed's patch overhead is going to between 13 percent and 39 percent,"  https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/12/amd_intel_retbleed/
[00:24] <oerheks> oink
[00:24] <oerheks> "Mitigating Phantom JMPs has 106 percent overhead (ie, 2 times slower)."
[00:25] <oerheks> Zen1, Zen1+, Zen2
[01:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, one of the few times I'm glad I'm using Intel, the mitigations will be less ouch there.
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/07/11/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-743/
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> some nice news from our UWN crew
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m]: if you're interested we got a #ubuntu-bugs-announce channel where new ubuntu bugs display, handy in some cases for support matters
[06:54] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I'll join there, I didn't know about that!
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> we also got a little pre-filtering bug team there to help out the devs ease their work
[06:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. That sounds fun, like if someone posts a bad bug report the people there can clean it up or ask for more details?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> yes thats the idea, check the topic link its a wiki specialy made for contribute onto bug filtering
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> most cases we ask for apport-collect ID or help testing out the bugs trying to reproduce them


[19:30] <hjd> Hi, I have a somewhat strange issue with updates. If I run `sudo apt dist-upgrade` it suggests 16 packages can be updated, but `update-manager` claims everything is up to date. To make the confusion complete, gnome-software lists 13 upgradable packages. I'm running 16.04.
[19:30] <hjd> Any way I can check whether this is related to phased updates (though I believe it has been like this for a while) or any other theories as to what might cause this?
[20:00] <psusi> what do you do with a bug that is not in a software package, but in how the iso image was prepared?