[00:06] <xjkx> how do I stop/close/kill this initial setup welcome message after installing
[00:08] <deadmund> I'm running 16.04.4 LTS, can I upgrade directly to 18.04 LTS?
[00:08] <foo> nacc: ah, it's a python web service, that's all.
[00:08] <nacc> deadmund: when it's available yes (you can do it now, too, but it's not supported and i would wait)
[00:08] <foo> leftyfb: by upstart init script, you mean, something that runs at the system level... eg. not a web service or such, right?
[00:09] <nacc> foo: oh i see, then python is irrelevant :)
[00:09] <cq1> Hey folks. Does anyone know if I can readily install meson with a version newer than 0.40 using apt? I checked xenial-backports, and it seems to have 0.40, but I'm unsure if there's some other source of even newer packages I could use.
[00:09] <deadmund> nacc: It's not available?  Wasn't it released back in April?  18.04     04 is April right??
[00:09] <nacc> foo: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[00:09] <nacc> deadmund: it's available, upgrades happen when the first dotrelease occurs.
[00:09] <nacc> deadmund: (for LTS -> LTS upgrades)
[00:09] <nacc> !latest | cq1
[00:09] <deadmund> nacc: I would like to try now because I have a bug on my current install regarding my graphics drivers (and maybe kernel).
[00:10] <deadmund> nacc: How can I do it?
[00:10] <deadmund> nacc: When wil the first dot release occur?
[00:10] <oerheks> cq1, upgrade to bionic, i guess .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meson
[00:12] <deadmund> I can use do-release-upgrade -d
[00:12] <cq1> nacc: oerheks: This is on AWS, using a fixed AMI, so I don't have that much ability to change the distro, and I also really don't care if it breaks everything.
[00:12] <cq1> oerheks: But thanks, that's super useful to know that Bionic has 0.45, because I know that 0.45 is new enough.
[00:12] <deadmund> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html.en
[00:13] <deadmund> Thanks erreybody!!
[00:13] <oerheks> -d = development, i think you might end up with Cosmic 18.10 ?
[00:14] <luuk> do the flavors get the dot releases simultaneously with the main ubuntu?
[00:14] <deadmund> oerheks: I don't think so.  The site I linked says specifically I can do this to go from LTS to LTS (when a point release is not yet available)
[00:14] <nacc> deadmund: yes, using -d, but it's not yet official
[00:14] <nacc> deadmund: maybe just do a reinstall?
[00:15] <deadmund> nacc: meh
[00:15] <nacc> deadmund: i mean, if you have a busted install already, not sure it's worth upgrading, but it's your choice
[00:15] <nacc> oerheks: you wouldn't be able to go from 16.04 -> 18.10 anyways
[00:15] <nacc> oerheks: i think it should go 16.04 -> 18.04 ahead of the LTS upgrade cycle
[00:15] <nacc> (it's contingent, i think, upon the setting)
[00:16] <deadmund> Maybe I'll just see if we can fix the bug.
[00:17] <deadmund> In firefox when I click the hamburger button I can't see the menu.  Other menus work (right click, file menu, etc), but the addon menus and hamburger menu don't.  I am running the intel i915 driver and KDE on 16.04
[00:18] <cq1> nacc: oerheks: I just installed the version from bionic, and it worked perfectly! I was really worried it'd be binary with incompatible glibc version, but it was fine. Thanks so much!
[00:19] <nacc> cq1: to be clear, that was not what either of us were suggesting to do.
[00:21] <deadmund> What package should I report that bug against
[00:21] <deadmund> ???
[00:21] <deadmund> The graphics driver? KDE? xorg? firefox?
[00:21] <nacc> deadmund: hamburger button?
[00:22] <nacc> deadmund: oh jargon, i see
[00:22] <nacc> deadmund: create a dummy user; does it happen to that user as well?
[00:22] <deadmund> nacc: dummy ubuntu or dummy firefox user?
[00:22] <nacc> deadmund: if so, then it's your local firefox config, erase it, back it up and see
[00:22] <nacc> deadmund: ubuntu
[00:23] <deadmund> nacc: good idea, let me check
[00:23] <nacc> deadmund: if that doesn't fix it, file it against firefox
[00:25] <matteo_> hello there
[00:26] <matteo_> anyone know what this microcode 0x22 error is when I try to install ubuntu directly to a drive vs on a virtual machine where this error does not come up?
[00:27] <deadmund> nacc: The problem persists even with a new ubuntu user.  Where / how should I file a bug?
[00:28] <Srgjames> How the hell can i get Mod_rewrite or the Vitrualhost when using a vhost on 443
[00:31] <nacc> !bug | deadmund
[00:32] <nacc> Srgjames: you might want #ubuntu-server or a channel specific to apache
[00:35] <deadmund> tankies
[00:44] <xjkx> i just installed the most recent ubuntu LTS,, seems it has many errors, just installed transmission-gtk, and running I get this: transmission-gtk: error while loading shared libraries: libminiupnpc.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:45] <xjkx> and apt-get -f install says everything is ok, but obviously its not
[00:45] <nacc> xjkx: `apt-cache policy transmission-gtk` ?
[00:45] <nacc> (in a pastebin)
[00:46] <nacc> xjkx: fwiw, works fine here on a relatively recent install of 18.04
[00:46] <nacc> xjkx: also `apt-cache policy libminiupnpc10`
[00:47] <xjkx> nacc: https://pastebin.com/wKGChL5n for first command, will see the other now
[00:48] <xjkx> nacc https://pastebin.com/K2APLphn
[00:49] <nacc> xjkx: ok, and `ldd $(which transmission-gtk)` please
[00:50] <xjkx> nacc https://pastebin.com/biyYHQtk
[00:52] <nacc> xjkx: `dpgk -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libminiupnpc.so.10; file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libminiupnpc.so.10`
[00:54] <xjkx> nacc https://pastebin.com/cryRwhqb
[00:55] <nacc> uh
[00:55] <Stormmore> I am so close to getting this laptop working, if I could only work out the the whole Optimus install :-/
[00:55] <nacc> that's really weird
[00:55] <nacc> xjkx: did you manually remove something (e.g., a library)?
[00:55] <boblamont> Is there a lightweight program that I can line up a playlist of songs in the order I want and then copy them to a directory numbered in the sequence that matches the order in the playlist?
[00:55] <boblamont> Say I have all of the Beatles albums on my Library drive. I line up a playlist of She Loves You, Let It Be and Taxman. I want to be able to do something where in a directory I choose, I end up with 01_She_Loves_You.mp3, 02_Let_It_Be.mp3 and 03_Taxman.mp3 (ideally, changing the whitespaces and other problematic characters to underscores or dashes or dots).
[00:56] <nacc> xjkx: if not, try: `sudo apt-get install --reinstall libminiupnpc10 libnatpmp1`
[00:56] <xjkx> nacc erm, I removed grub, and some shin-or-something that was causing problems, because my install failed during grub install, so then I am using grub from my older version. Thats all I removed really
[00:57] <xjkx> nacc so should I try the new command anyway?
[00:57] <nacc> xjkx: yeah, see if those libraries come back
[00:57] <nacc> i need to step away for a bit -- someone else can help
[00:58] <pragmaticenigma> boblamont: I am not aware of such a program, this really isn't the best channel to ask that question. You might have more luck in #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:58] <xjkx> nacc ok, thanks a lot, very much helpful
[00:58] <boblamont> pragmaticenigma: ok, I asked here in case there was something obvious in the repos
[00:58] <travel> hello
[00:59] <xjkx> nacc it worked, thanks !
[00:59] <travel> yes
[01:02] <travel> Login In The Chat ?
[01:12] <travel> Hello
[01:14] <travel> hi
[01:15] <travel> hi
[01:15] <travel> hi
[01:16] <travel> hello
[01:18] <leftyfb> travel: what can we help you with?
[01:19] <Zer0> hello
[01:19] <leftyfb> Zer0: travel: There's no need to sign into IRC twice
[01:20] <leftyfb> Zer0: what can we help you with?
[01:20] <Zer0> leftyfb: Hello
[01:20] <leftyfb> Zer0: what can we help you with?
[01:20] <Zer0> leftyfb: hi
[01:20] <leftyfb> Zer0: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[01:21] <Zer0> leftyfb: hi
[01:21] <leftyfb> Zer0: trolling is offtopic. You should try #ubuntu-ops
[01:25] <travel> we are server normaliy
[01:26] <travel> you can not social network
[01:26] <travel> I Have You Can Thinking About
[01:26] <nacc> leftyfb: i'd go ahead report them.
[01:26] <leftyfb> I doubt they'll get booted
[01:27] <guiverc> travel, please stop spamming, if you have a Ubuntu Support question - just ask it.
[01:33] <Guest3712> travel: your lanuage?
[01:34] <nacc> Guest3712: that's not relevant or ontopic
[01:36] <Guest3712> nacc: let's not get at each other's throat - it could have helped to determine if he had a language problem, possibly send to appropriate chan - and in any case didn't disrupt anything
[01:38] <Lexus> hi
[01:40] <Lexus> How Open Close Server Port 4430
[01:41] <Lexus> open network
[01:44] <travel> open
[01:45] <waltman> What's the preferred way (if any) to install Docker on 18.04 -- apt install docker.io? snap install docker? Some other way?
[01:45] <Lexus> Why ?
[01:46] <krytarik> waltman: Disregard that response.
[01:46] <waltman> Because I'd like to install docker and the various methods confuse me?
[01:46] <Lexus> Ok.
[01:46] <waltman> The snap version's behind the apt version
[01:48] <waltman> Also both are behind the version we're using at work
[01:50] <guiverc> Lexus, i'm not sure what you're after, but maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/firewall.html.en will help
[01:51] <neoncontrails> I have to promptly migrate to another laptop. attempt to build a clonezilla image failed, what's the next best way to preserve my ubuntu config?
[01:53] <pinga> hey guys, I've been having a few issues running ubuntu 18.04.. I keep getting crash reports. This one says I have obsolete packages installed and to update them, but when I go to the app store to update it says that my software is up to date?
[01:54] <erikson> server irc.virtualife.com.br
[01:54] <guiverc> neoncontrails, i have no idea about the best way; but I just copy my $HOME folder to new machine, install ubuntu (somethign else & no format for $HOME), then see what it's like; if needs be I'll overwrite some files from my old machine but usually unnecessary  (this won't keep packages; I have scripts for that)
[01:54] <krytarik> waltman: https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/ - if you need the latest, I'd go with their official instructions then.
[01:55] <waltman> thanks
[01:55] <Lexus> hi
[01:55] <nlctguy> Hello
[01:56] <Lexus> You Are Help ?
[01:58] <guiverc> Lexus, if you have a Ubuntu Support question, plus just ask it (ideally in a single line), if it's about port 4430 I've already tried to answer that (a start anyway)
[01:58] <Lexus> Do You Join Server ?? Close
[01:59] <guiverc> Lexus, there is a #ubuntu-server room, and we have non-english rooms too (if easier for you; refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList)
[02:01] <pinga> (Running Ubuntu 18.04) I've connected my Brother printer to our network, and installed the drivers for it, but in the device settings TWO printers are listed as my Brother. One as accepting jobs and one as not accepting jobs. Any idea why that would be?
[02:03] <guiverc> pinga, i don't know, but the only time I've seen two drivers were (1) installed by system when it recognized the printer, and (2) after I'd installed my wanted ppd (driver) - i just test both, and keep the one that works (or keep one if both good)
[02:21] <TomTomUK> Hey Hey
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> Hello TomTomUK ... is there an Ubuntu support item that we can help you with?
[02:25] <wuzamarine> where is build-ca? It does not come in with easy-rsa in apt
[02:35] <nacc> wuzamarine: it's in easy-rsa, just not in the normal binary location
[02:35] <nacc> wuzamarine: /usr/share/easy-rsa/build-ca
[02:35] <Zer0> hi
[02:36] <Zer0> Hello ?
[02:37] <nacc> waltman: i think the snap is preferred, only because it will ge tmore updates than the deb
[02:37] <Zer0> Why ?
[02:38] <nacc> Zer0: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[02:40] <nacc> waltman: it comes down to 'recommended' by whom? the distro has one asnwer and docker inc may have nother
[02:41] <waltman> nacc: I was thinking that too wrt to snap, but the snap version is 17.06.2-ce while 18.04 has 17.12.1-0ubuntu1.
[02:56] <spaces> is php-curl not linked right to 7.2-curl ?
[02:58] <redphantom> Can anyone help me? Been trying to update mono but failing hopelessly
[02:58] <redphantom> i even tried compiling the tarball but that didn't update it
[03:02] <guiverc> redphantom, what ubuntu are you using?? what mono do you do you have & want?  compiling the tarball will compile where it is; menu's won't point to that version and path's won't unless you've modify them to look wherever you compiled it...
[03:04] <scientes> how do i get the guest account feature back?
[03:05] <usr123> trying to install lubuntu 34 bit in a vbox. its stuck after i select language and just shows a black screen with a blinking cusror
[03:07] <redphantom> guiverc i'm on 18.04 kubuntu and i have mono <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:07] <redphantom> guiverc i need at least mono 5.8
[03:09] <guiverc> redphantom, i know nothing about mono (you'll have to verify this yourself), but https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/ says 5.12 can be had via their site
[03:15] <redphantom> guiver I downloaded 5.12 and tried to compile it but its not sticking?
[03:15] <redphantom> what am i missing?
[03:16] <guiverc> what do you mean by 'not sticking'
[03:16] <redphantom> its not updating the actual mono version guiverc
[03:16] <redphantom> stays at 5.4
[03:17] <redphantom> i have 5.12 compiled on my system but how do i point my system to it?
[03:19] <guiverc> browsing their repo i don't see any issues (they have multiple versions, bionic, stable-boinic...).  paths must point to id (inc. ld_library_path for libs; ie. not just executable)
[03:20] <redphantom> shouldn't this be automated somehow? how do i install this?
[03:21] <guiverc> i'd suggest a script to enable your mono sessions that add the required paths; then when done a script to return to normal.   it's automated when you use the deb/packages; from source means you compile & put where you want (using technique from the 70s where only grey-beards, devs etc used it)
[03:21] <redphantom> how can i get the deb package for mono?
[03:21] <guiverc> redphantom, the link i provided had it
[03:22] <redphantom> i put those commands in
[03:22] <redphantom> and its not updating my mono?
[03:22] <redphantom> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys 3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF
[03:22] <redphantom> echo "deb https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-bionic main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list
[03:22] <redphantom> sudo apt update
[03:22] <redphantom> gpg: key A6A19B38D3D831EF: "Xamarin Public Jenkins (auto-signing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not changed
[03:22] <redphantom> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[03:22] <redphantom> gpg:              unchanged: 1
[03:22] <redphantom> Unchanged?
[03:22] <guiverc> don't spam post please !!   'update' means update repostiory lists only  and doesn't touch any software, it's not supposed to!
[03:23] <redphantom> i did upgrade but it didnt update either
[03:23] <guiverc> if you want/need multi-lines; post a link ...
[03:23] <redphantom> guiverc it says the following packages have been kept back: and it lists like 50 libmono packages
[03:24] <redphantom> https://pastebin.com/MLBkdGTv
[03:24] <guiverc> did you get errors at the update step??  you should have seen all the repo.lists update as it updated them (repo.lists are not software, just lists for where software is)
[03:25] <hv54> hello
[03:25] <redphantom> i dont see any errors related to mono
[03:25] <redphantom> guiverc here is my apt update list https://pastebin.com/FzNazQ2U
[03:26] <guiverc> redphantom, `apt-get upgrade` has rules it must comply with to allow upgrades (kept back), i suspect you need to dist-upgrade -- refer `man apt-get`
[03:27] <redphantom> man apt-get?
[03:28] <guiverc> redphantom, yep or look at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/apt-get.8.html  in upgrade section; with "under no circumstances.." which is then followed by dist-upgrade ....
[03:28] <redphantom> ok i did sudo apt dist-upgrade and i think that is working...
[03:28] <redphantom> do i upgrade after this?
[03:28] <guiverc> upgrade is used for stability (prod'n systems), no reboots, no version bumps - dist-upgrade does all of upgrade plus....
[03:30] <redphantom> well i never knew about dist upgrade so thank you very much guiverc :)
[03:30] <guiverc> first line of 'man apt-get' for dist-upgrade states "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also.."
[03:30] <guiverc> redphantom, you're most welcome :)
[03:32] <Azelastine> does anyone know where I can get in touch with the United States CIA without having to go through Colin Colby?  there must be a liazon for foreign nations that ISN'T Colin Colby...
[03:32] <TimeDoctor> this is a channel for linux support
[03:32] <Azelastine> does anyone know where I can get in touch with the United States CIA without having to go through Colin Colby?  there must be a liazon for foreign nations that ISN'T Colin Colby...
[03:32] <Azelastine> does anyone know where I can get in touch with the United States CIA without having to go through Colin Colby?  there must be a liazon for foreign nations that ISN'T Colin Colby...
[03:32] <Azelastine> does anyone know where I can get in touch with the United States CIA without having to go through Colin Colby?  there must be a liazon for foreign nations that ISN'T Colin Colby...
[03:32] <Azelastine> does anyone know where I can get in touch with the United States CIA without having to go through Colin Colby?  there must be a liazon for foreign nations that ISN'T Colin Colby...
[03:32] <TimeDoctor> .ops
[03:32] <Azelastine> does anyone know where I can get in touch with the United States CIA without having to go through Colin Colby?  there must be a liazon for foreign nations that ISN'T Colin Colby...
[03:33] <TimeDoctor> thanks
[03:47] <Randolf> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS has a problem where the boot is delayed up to 45 seconds at /scripts/local-premount and I just found the solution to this problem -- I'm sharing it here in case it's helpful to others:  http://blog.wxm.be/2018/06/05/lubuntu-slow-boot.html
[04:15] <REQUIEM8> Hi
[04:31] <u0_a103> hi?
[04:32] <u0_a103> lol
[04:32] <u0_a103> benjamin nick colby + Dr Justin Call
[04:32] <u0_a103> what r u guys doing alive and well, lol?
[04:33] <u0_a103> u have diplomatic immunity 2?
[04:33] <u0_a103> rofl!
[04:33] <u0_a103> galaxy drive mkultra dr justin call u still there?
[04:33] <u0_a103> i have questions about mkultra
[04:42] <pinga> anyone know a quick way to verify that their installation iso isn't corrupted?
[04:43] <EriC^^> !md5sum | pinga
[04:46] <pinga> EriC^^: ty!
[04:50] <REQUIEM8> any way to increase the length of hr in Conky ?
[05:07] <sjvxid67> .33
[05:08] <sjvxid67> !oops theredqueen
[05:10] <Goop> I wanted to know how I would check the amount of disk usage on my Linux box. I'm not looking for space, capacity, and free space, I'm looking for the read/write/operations the hard drive is currently doing.
[05:10] <EriC^^> Goop: sudo apt-get install iotop , sudo iotop
[05:11] <Goop> EriC^^, unable to locate package. I'm running on Ubuntu 16.04
[05:11] <EriC^^> !info iotop exnial
[05:12] <Goop> !info iotop xenial
[05:12] <EriC^^> !info iotop xenial
[05:13] <EriC^^> Goop: sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update
[05:16] <Goop> I'm trying to shrink a Windows partition from a Ubuntu machine, and it's taking for freaking ever.
[05:17] <Goop> Like, over 2 hours to adjust a 400-something GB partition down about 50GB on a 500GB HDD.
[05:17] <Goop> I'm using GParted.
[05:20] <EriC^^> Goop: shrinking in windows is almost instantaneous
[05:21] <EriC^^> Goop: from which side did you shrink it? left or right?
[05:21] <Goop> I don't have administrative privileges on the physical Windows image, but I do have a Ubuntu boot thing and that's how I'm able to do this.
[05:22] <Goop> ...right aparently. I wasn't sure what the difference was.
[05:22] <EriC^^> Goop: it should be instaneous from the right side
[05:22] <EriC^^> if you had shrunk it from the left then it would have to actually move all the data to the right and then shrink
[05:23] <EriC^^> Goop: unless it actually needed defragging to be able to shrink, i doubt that gparted is able to defrag though
[05:23] <EriC^^> how long has it been running?
[05:23] <Goop> Move /dev/sda2 to the right and shrink it from 451.19 GiB to 388.92 GiB
[05:24] <pinga> uhh
[05:24] <Goop> Over 2 hours.
[05:24] <Goop> It's a laptop hard drive as well.
[05:24] <pinga> this is the second time I've made a bootable usb with the startup manager and it's made it ISO 9660...
[05:25] <pinga> which seems to have bricked my usb
[05:25] <pinga> cos I can't reformat it afterwards
[05:25] <EriC^^> Goop: oh, it's moving it
[05:25] <Goop> EriC^^, did I do it the slow way? D:
[05:25] <EriC^^> Goop: i guess so
[05:26] <EriC^^> pinga: create a fresh partition table + partition and format the partition
[05:27] <pinga> EriC^^: nope, doesn't work
[05:28] <amosbird> hi, when do I need libc-dev ?
[05:28] <EriC^^> pinga: what does it show you?
[05:29] <pinga> well atm all I want is a bootable ubuntu usb I don't have time for this
[05:29] <pinga> the last usb said something like no read no write from memory
[05:29] <pinga> idk
[05:29] <EriC^^> pinga: dd the ubuntu iso to the usb
[05:30] <EriC^^> sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[05:30] <pinga> what I want to know is
[05:30] <EriC^^> get the usb's name from sudo parted -ls
[05:30] <pinga> is it normal for startup to create the ubuntu usb as Joliet Extension ISO 9660
[05:30] <pinga> because this is the second time it's done it
[05:31] <pinga> And I checked my iso download with md5sum to check it wasn't corrupted
[05:31] <pinga> because it bricked my last usb
[05:32] <EriC^^> pinga: use dd instead of startup app
[05:33] <Stormmore> you know it is serious when you have to clone the mainline-crack repo
[05:49] <pinga> sudo dd if=~/Downloads/ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M && sync
[05:49] <pinga> EriC^^: is that all I need to replace
[05:50] <pinga> or am I missing something?
[05:50] <EriC^^> pinga: looks good
[05:51] <Haris> hello all
[05:52] <Haris> how do I increase number of open files for a process on 14.04 ?
[05:53] <Haris> for e.g., for mysql
[06:01] <Stormmore> sysctl -w fs.file-max=<limit> from memory
[06:02] <Haris> # sysctl -a|egrep "fs.file-max"
[06:02] <Haris> fs.file-max = 3272156
[06:02] <Haris> I can write it. but would it be picked up globally by all processes ?
[06:03] <Haris> or would it be just for my session ?
[06:03] <Stormmore> that is the system wide limit
[06:04] <Haris> ok. so the next time I restart mysql server daemon/service on it, it should taken up this value automatically ?
[06:04] <Stormmore> yeah I am just trying to remember how to make that change persist
[06:05] <Haris> in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[06:05] <Stormmore> yeah
[06:08] <EriC^^> 800*600
[06:08] <EriC^^> oops
[06:08] <Haris> echo "fs.file-max = 3272156" >> /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[06:12] <Stormmore> sounds right if it isnt already there with the -w from the sysctl
[06:54] <reactiv3> hi, i'm having a slight issue with my refresh rate and i can't seem to be able to fix it, i'd be glad if someone could help
[06:54] <reactiv3> i am stuck at 50hz refresh rate, unable to go higher, despite xrandr showing that 60hz is in use, here's the first line from xrandr: 1366x768 60.06*+  47.99
[06:57] <reactiv3> i tried setting it again with xrandr -s 1366x768 -r 60, still stuck. However if i lower the resolution, the refresh rate will go up to 60hz
[06:57] <reactiv3> the monitor supports 1366x768@60hz
[07:06] <ducasse> reactiv3: that output looks like you're at 60hz to me (60.06*+)
[07:17] <reactiv3> ducasse, that's the issue. It's showing 60hz while it's 50hz in reality
[07:19] <ducasse> reactiv3: how do you see it's 50hz - does the monitor show it?
[07:19] <reactiv3> testufo.com
[07:20] <reactiv3> i can also know from the fps of some games which are tied to the monitor's refresh rate. They run slower than usualy at 50hz
[07:21] <reactiv3> setting the resolution to 1360 x 768 instead of 1366 x 768 fixes the refresh rate issue
[07:23] <reactiv3> what a weird issue
[07:26] <reactiv3> after changing the resolution, i get this which is correct: 1360x768 59.80* 59.96
[07:26] <reactiv3> setting it back, i get this which is incorrect: 1366x768 60.06*+ 47.99
[07:31] <reactiv3> might this be permission issues with some config file?
[07:34] <EriC^^> reactiv3: try https://www.vsynctester.com/detect.html
[07:36] <reactiv3> EriC^^, same result, stuck at < 50hz
[07:36] <EriC^^> reactiv3: try making a custom mode with refresh rate slightly below 60
[07:36] <reactiv3> i checked the "displays.xml" file - all settings are correct as well as permissions
[07:37] <EriC^^> reactiv3: cvt 1366 768 59
[07:38] <EriC^^> reactiv3: xrandr --addmode "1366_768_59" 83.75  1368 1440 1576 1784  768 771 781 797 -hsync +vsync
[07:39] <EriC^^> reactiv3: * --newmode not --addmode
[07:40] <EriC^^> reactiv3: then xrandr --addmode "1366_768_59" --output "<your output here>"
[07:40] <EriC^^> then select it
[07:42] <illuminated> I'm considering taking the plunge and installing ubuntu on my desktop
[07:42] <reactiv3> EriC^^, it worked
[07:43] <reactiv3> EriC^^, thanks
[07:43] <reactiv3> check this, the old xrandr output
[07:43] <reactiv3> https://i.imgur.com/rG77JGx.png
[07:43] <reactiv3> the only resolution which has less than 60hz rate is the native one
[07:43] <reactiv3> do you think if i edited the first line and removed the 47.99 it would have worked?
[07:44] <EriC^^> reactiv3: maybe yeah
[07:45] <EriC^^> reactiv3: i've never seen the config file, you might need to change the modeline if it uses it there
[07:45] <EriC^^> can you upload the config?
[07:46] <reactiv3> do you mean the xrandr output?
[07:46] <EriC^^> no the config that you mentioned in editing and stuff
[07:47] <illuminated> is it pronounced ewwbuntu or uhhbuntu?
[07:48] <Richard_Cavell> oo-boo-n-too
[07:51] <EriC^^> reactiv3: the xrandr stuff is temporary btw, you'll need to either edit some file or add it somewhere in the startup when your user logs in, ~/.profile works something like "if [ -n $DISPLAY ]; then xrandr ......blablabla ; fi"
[07:51] <EriC^^> !xrandr | reactiv3
[07:51] <amosbird> hi, when do I need libc-dev ?
[07:52] <reactiv3> EriC^^, it seems i made a mistake. I typed 1360 instead of 1366, thus getting 60hz. I tried it again with 1366, still stuck at 48.x hz :(
[07:52] <ducasse> ...or put the modeline in a xorg.conf.d snippet, that's where it belongs
[07:52] <reactiv3> EriC^^, Sorry about that, i prefer to type rather than copy paste, seems i made a typo
[07:55] <reactiv3> anyway i'll stop bothering you, i'll try to tamper around with xrandr, seems to be an issue with it. thanks for your time
[07:56] <andre144k> hi - anyone knows how to define target-directory for tar?  i dont want extract in same directory
[07:56] <EriC^^> andre144k: tar -C
[07:57] <andre144k> EriC^^, thx
[08:14] <newbii> Hello people. I have just installed ubuntu 18.04 bionic bever
[08:14] <newbii> and thinking about dirvers for my scanner (Epson GT 1500).
[08:14] <newbii> I have installed sane but still the beaver does not recognize the scanner.
[08:14] <newbii> I was dealing with scanners with "iscan" with the previous Linux.
[08:14] <newbii> but now it is not in the repository. Does anybody know how to manage scanners?
[08:14] <newbii> is there a program replacing iscan? Thanks!
[08:16] <atee76>
[08:16] <atee76> '21
[08:16] <atee76> !
[08:16] <atee76>  ]
[08:16] <ikonia> please stop that atee76
[08:18] <ShishKabab> A weird bug has popped up recently. I'm using Yakuake from Ubuntu daily on a uHDPI screen. Randomly when I start my computer, the font size gets increased or decreased. Any idea where that might come from?
[08:19] <ducasse> newbii: iscan is a program from epson, you need to download that + drivers for your scanner from their website
[08:24] <newbii> ducasse: yes I downloaded this. I am just hesitating to launch the procedure, because something has changed: iscan is no more in the repository. Does not that mean that iscan is no  more compatible with 18.04?
[08:34] <ducasse> newbii: it was never there to begin with
[08:37] <guiverc> newbii, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=iscan  (not for trusty, xenial, artful, bionic or cosmic) in any ubuntu repo
[08:37] <newbii> ducasse: sorry I meant it was in the repository for one of the previous ubuntu versions: namely for precise pangolin
[08:38] <ducasse> !info iscan precise
[08:38] <ducasse> nope
[08:39] <ducasse> newbii: it's always been distributed separately by epson afaik
[08:40] <newbii> Ok I am sorry, so I confused smth. anyway it is not that important. I would like just to know that this "iscan" works with beaver. Do you confirm?
[08:40] <ducasse> i don't know, i haven't tested. only one way to find out :)
[08:41] <Shabbysheik> newbii: if it is critical for you, then you could always test it out in a live environment first
[08:42] <newbii> Ok thanks for the info
[09:18] <netsrot> Hi, how do I prevent hdmi audio kernel module from being loaded?
[09:20] <oerheks> netsrot, blacklist it?
[09:20] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Loadable_Modules#Blacklisting_Modules
[09:20] <netsrot> oerheks: seems like I forgot to update initramfs.
[09:21] <oerheks> :-)
[09:43] <xjkx> isnt software-center gui application same as apt-get? because apt-cache knows nixnote but software center didnt
[09:44] <oerheks> xjkx, sure, it uses the same sources, but software center gives metapackages, install synaptic, for a more detailed softwarecenter-gui
[09:44] <oerheks> !info synpatic
[09:44] <xjkx> oh ok, thank you
[09:45] <oerheks> !info synapatic
[09:45] <oerheks> another typo ..
[09:45] <oerheks> !info synaptic
[09:46] <xjkx> cool, will try it
[09:46] <eraserpencil> how would i recover if i accidentally erased my ~/.bashrc
[09:47] <eraserpencil> like I deleted everything except one line by mistake
[09:47] <jmft2> Hello. When I plug in a USB external hard drive, it gets mounted automatically, but all files have permission u+rwx,go-rwx, and I'm not able to change this using chmod. Is there anything around it?
[09:47] <jmft2> /dev/sdb1 on /media/jmft2/04FC-580F type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[09:48] <oerheks> eraserpencil, if you removed it manually, it is not in the trash, see ext3undelete and see if it comes back, but installing that might overwrite that removed bytes
[09:48] <oerheks> !info ext3undelete
[09:48] <oerheks> !info extundelete
[09:49] <eraserpencil> i didnt delete it exactly, I just erased all the things except for one line
[09:49] <oerheks> else boot a live iso and install testdisk https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[09:49] <oerheks> eraserpencil, oh
[09:50] <oerheks> then i guess there is no backup, unless that editor makes a copy, you need to enable this before delete
[09:53] <ducasse> eraserpencil: you can find the default .bashrc in /etc/skel
[09:54] <ducasse> eraserpencil: if you had made changes you need to restore from backup - those are gone
[09:55] <eraserpencil> thanks ducasse
[09:56] <SomeT> I am looking at this, trying to work out step 6: CHMOD write permissions to these directories: and so forth, what command should I run on the directories in ubuntu and what chmod?
[09:56] <SomeT> 777?
[09:58] <oerheks> i cannot answer that, what/who needs write permissions to what exactly, and what guide do you follow?
[09:58] <SimonNL> nothing unless you are absolutely sure
[09:59]  * oerheks is lazy today, you need to come up with enough details
[09:59] <SomeT> sorry
[09:59] <SomeT> forgot link
[09:59] <SomeT> https://gitlab.com/tslocum/tinyib
[09:59] <SomeT> step 6
[09:59] <SomeT> just says set write permissions
[09:59] <mohnish_> Can anyone tell me how do I remove nouveau? I tried rmmod nouveau -f, but it didn't work
[09:59] <SomeT> but its a bit to vague for me
[10:00] <mohnish_> Anyone help me?
[10:00] <SomeT> https://i.gyazo.com/d3c5a3997a8aa3bf1db0f109df0f91b5.png
[10:00] <SomeT> dude have patience
[10:00] <SomeT> this is not a hotline
[10:00] <mohnish_> I am trying to install my graphic driver by a .run file
[10:01] <ducasse> mohnish_: don't do that
[10:01] <SomeT> k good for you
[10:01] <xjkx> what package should I install to get libQt5Widgets.so.5 ?
[10:01] <mohnish_> ducasse: Why do everyone tell me not to do that???
[10:01] <ducasse> mohnish_: because it's a bad idea. use the provided packages.
[10:02] <mohnish_> So how do I install my driver?
[10:02] <mohnish_> 304 is my driver
[10:03] <ducasse> mohnish_: which release is this?
[10:03] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  # this wil automaticly install the correct nvidia, and disables nouveau
[10:03] <mohnish_> oerheks: Oh thank you!
[10:03] <SomeT> anyone help me with the following step, step 6 at https://gitlab.com/tslocum/tinyib it says to set directories as writeable (https://i.gyazo.com/d3c5a3997a8aa3bf1db0f109df0f91b5.png) but what chmod number do I use for this and what command in Linux Ubuntu therein?
[10:04] <SomeT> I rephrased
[10:04] <mohnish_> So, why do we not use the .run file?
[10:05] <mohnish_> What basically is a .run file?
[10:05] <SomeT> its a file that executes
[10:05] <SomeT> see: https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/run.html
[10:05] <mohnish_> Okay, so why do we not use it to install drivers?
[10:06] <oerheks> SomeT, i still wonder who needs write permissions, the user, or a group, or php ?
[10:06] <beaver> xjkx: libqt5widgets5
[10:06] <SomeT> Makeself shell self-extracting archive
[10:06] <SomeT> I dunno I can't get my head around the context of it
[10:06] <oerheks> mohnish_, using the nvidia drivers from their site is not recommended, with our packages you would get updates
[10:06] <SomeT> if your graphic driver works dont worry about it
[10:06] <ducasse> mohnish_: because there are packages that will do it properly, the .run file will only install them for your current kernel
[10:07] <oerheks> .. and support here.,
[10:07] <mohnish_> oerheks: Why is it not recommended, does it break your system?
[10:07] <ducasse> mohnish_: i just told you
[10:08] <EriC^^> mohnish_: it's just a bad idea on many fronts, unless you absolutely need a version outside of the repo for something, juse use the repo provided one
[10:08] <mohnish_> Okay, so the repo kinda tweaks the .run file to support it for a no. Of systems
[10:09] <mohnish_> And provide updates
[10:10] <EriC^^> it also allows you to easily remove it if you dont need it anymore
[10:10] <mohnish_> Oh okay
[10:10] <mohnish_> Got it
[10:10] <EriC^^> plus it's less messy cause the package manager knows everything that's installed, so nothing gets overlapped etc etc
[10:21] <xjkx> using pendrive to install, it failed installing grub, i just ignored and used another system to get grub working, but the new system seems to have many errors with libraries now, maybe i should install through cd? i dont know why grub failed to install through pendrive anyway(i meant i burnt the iso to usb)
[10:26] <oerheks> xjkx, could i be that your machine is UEFI ?
[10:26] <oerheks> !uefi
[10:26] <EriC^^> xjkx: did you checksum the iso you used?
[10:26] <Sh4d03> Hi all, I'm trying to create a USB using the "All in One System Rescue Toolkit" iso file. There are instructions for creating in under Windows, but I don't have access to one right now. I've tried the "Startup Disk Creator" and I've tried using dd, but both times the USB fails to appear in my boot devices (implying it didn't work). Any suggestions?
[10:27] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: what's iso file like? if you use fdisk or something on it what do you see
[10:28] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: meaning, mount it and then see what fdisk says?
[10:29] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: no, try fdisk -l /path/to/iso
[10:30] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: AiO-SRT_2018-01-02.iso1 *        0 1357823 1357824  663M 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[10:32] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: can you pastebin the results?
[10:32] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: append | nc termbin.com 9999 to the command
[10:33] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/pyo4
[10:34] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: look like dd'ing it should work, did you set your bios to csm legacy?
[10:36] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: I didn't change anything in the BiOS, but I do have a USB buntu installer that the BiOS detects.
[10:36] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: when it detects the ubuntu installer, does it offer a black & white grub screen or a menu in the middle of the screen?
[10:37] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: as in, I can hit the interrupt for the boot devices (F12) and then select it.
[10:37] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: It's not using grub when I do that.
[10:37] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: so it does not display a black & white screen/grub menu?
[10:38] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: It displays a grub menu if I let it continue booting normally - but that just gives me the Ubuntu / Advanced Options options.
[10:39] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: ok, well i guess the iso is either bad or you need some extra tools to install the mbr and make it "bootable"
[10:39] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: if the ubuntu installer doesnt give a grub menu, then it's using legacy mode not uefi so the bios is set right
[10:40] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: did you checksum the iso?
[10:40] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: perhaps I answered wrong - If I select the Ubuntu installer drive, it goes to grub.
[10:40] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: yeah
[10:40] <EriC^^> then you're booting the usb's in uefi mode
[10:41] <EriC^^> and the iso you have is only made for legacy systems
[10:41] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: the system contained on the iso is designed to work with both.
[10:41] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: nope, it's not
[10:42] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: uefi uses a efi partition type ef00 with a fat filesystem
[10:43] <EriC^^> if you want run the same fdisk command on an ubuntu .iso and you'll see the difference
[10:43] <EriC^^> your iso has a ntfs filesystem, with a bootflag on it, it's for legacy systems only
[10:44] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: I was only going by what it says here -> https://paul.is-a-geek.org/aio-srt/ under "Why can't I boot on 32-bit systems"
[10:46] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: maybe you downloaded the wrong iso version?
[10:47] <Sh4d03> EriC^^: I could onyl see one - but I'll look further and see what I can find. Thanks for your help.
[10:51] <nurul> Hi...
[10:51] <nurul> How are you guys??
[10:52] <nurul> Hello ??
[10:54] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: actually, can you figure out what filesystem it is?
[10:54] <EriC^^> i just realized fdisk isnt actually showing the filesystem, just the type "17" which could be wrong
[10:54] <xjkx> i realized i have all systems innstalled in legacy (not uefi), so i wanna install my grub in legacy way. but, i realized, my usb burnt iso only boots if i enable uefi boot, so, it seems it only wants to install grub in uefi, then it fails
[10:55] <EriC^^> Sh4d03: are you able to mount the iso directly or you need to use losetup ?
[10:55] <xjkx> my usb-burnt-iso is running in uefi, but i need to install as legacy
[10:56] <EriC^^> xjkx: run the installer with "ubiquity -b" and then manually install grub-pc
[10:56] <EriC^^> (after chrooting into installed system from the installer)
[10:57] <xjkx> what does this ubiquity -b do?it says dont install the grub?
[10:57] <EriC^^> yes
[10:57] <xjkx> ok thanks
[10:58] <xjkx> EriC^^:  do i run it with sudo?
[10:58] <EriC^^> no
[11:01] <xjkx> EriC^^:  so then to install grub i only need to install grub-pc package, then do grub-install /dev/sda ?
[11:03] <EriC^^> xjkx: you need to chroot first, then grub-install /dev/sda
[11:03] <EriC^^> xjkx: http://pchelp.site/topics/how-to-setup-a-chroot
[11:04] <xjkx> EriC^^: i can actually boot there, i have a grub in another system ^^ i would only install grub for convenience but i can access the system
[11:06] <EriC^^> xjkx: ok, then just apt-get install grub-pc and you're good
[11:07] <EriC^^> xjkx: actually having 1 grub would be better, that way they dont install from an upgrade and overwrite eachother in the mbr
[11:07] <EriC^^> unless they're on 2 separate hdd's in that case it'd be nice to have grub in the mbr of each respectively and maybe then just remove grub-pc from one
[11:08] <xjkx> alright, thanks
[11:15] <guest__> systemwide low frames in ubuntu 18.04 , tried ubuntu mate and budgie too
[11:18] <EriC^^> guest__: what does xrandr -q show?
[11:19] <guest__> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jg3FTrKsKR/
[11:21] <EriC^^> guest__: try "xrandr --newmode "1366_768_60" 85.25  1368 1440 1576 1784  768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync
[11:22] <EriC^^> nevermind the quote
[11:22] <EriC^^> guest__: then xrandr --addmode "1366_768_60" --output "eDP-1"
[11:23] <guest__> EriC^^: xrandr: unrecognized option 'eDP-1'
[11:24] <dabo_> dabojula
[11:24] <EriC^^> guest__: my bad, xrandr --addmode eDP-1 1366_768_60
[11:25] <EriC^^> guest__: then xrandr --output eDP-1 --mode 1366_768_60
[11:26] <guest__> EriC^^: i was getting 201 frames in 5.0 seconds = 40.008 FPS and now i am getting 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.016 FPS
[11:28] <EriC^^> guest__: ok
[11:28] <guest__> EriC^^: still 720 video freezes
[11:30] <EriC^^> guest__: maybe it's some driver problem? which driver are you using?
[11:30] <guest__> EriC^^: i915
[11:35] <guest__> luuk_: ?
[11:36] <luuk_> oh sorry, that was an accidental click
[11:39] <jatto> Hello! I am running Ubuntu 18.04 server, and apparently setting the DNS is one of the most difficult challenges of my life
[11:40] <jatto> Could someone kindly help me out?
[11:42] <TvL2386> jatto: http://dpaste.com/3V2NW39
[11:46] <Guest65719> hello
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> Guest65719: welcome, how can we help you?
[11:46] <Guest65719> just chat
[11:47] <Guest65719> :p
[11:47] <dzipc_> EriC^^: 🙈
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Guest65719
[11:48] <qwebirc8103> JOIN
[11:49] <qwebirc8103> how to contribute to ubuntu development
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | qwebirc8103
[11:49] <jatto> TvL2386: oh netplan... you're right... my bad
[11:50] <TvL2386> jatto: no problem! Been there, done that :)
[11:50] <jatto> hehe
[11:53] <guest__> lotuspsychje: tried ubuntu mate too but still 720 freeze , EriC^^ told me some commands and it increased fps from 40 to 60
[11:54] <hans_> how can i check if an ubuntu installer is 32bit or 64bit?
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> guest__: wich graphics card is that?
[11:55] <guest__> lotuspsychje: intel one
[11:55] <guest__> HD 520
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> hans_: when you boot it and its wrong, setup will tell you wrong architecture
[11:55] <EriC^^> hans_: type "uname -m"
[11:56] <hans_> lotuspsychje, nope - if you boot up a 64bit installer on a 32bit cpu, it will tell you, but if you boot a 32bit installer on a 64bit cpu, it won't complain
[11:56] <hans_> (x86 anyway)
[11:56] <dzipc_> EriC^^: 👍
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> hans_: if you have a 64bit hardware, you ned to install the 64bit ubuntu iso( wich you choose yourself at download page)
[11:56] <hans_> EriC^^, thanks
[11:57] <hans_> lotuspsychje, wrong, 32bit ubuntu will run just fine on 64bit hardware
[11:57] <hans_> (but won't be able to use more than 4GB ram n stuff)
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> hans_: i didnt say it would not work, i said ^ scroll up
[11:57] <hans_> you said "if you have a 64bit hardware, you ned to install the 64bit ubuntu iso"
[11:57] <hans_> i guess by `ned` you meant `need`
[11:58] <hans_> bleh, w/e
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> hans_: that means if your hardware is capable of 64bit, install 64bit
[11:58] <hans_> well, if you're ram-constrained, you might want to run 32bit ubuntu regardless
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> hans_: wrong
[11:58] <EriC^^> dzipc_: ok, type "echo $prefix"
[11:59] <hans_> lotuspsychje,  in 32bit, integers and memory pointers are 4 bytes long, on 64bit ubuntu, they're 8 bytes long, when you run 32bit ubuntu, the system and just about everything will use less ram than running the equivalent 64bit system
[12:00] <hans_> if you have a cheap VPS with 128MB ram, you may want to run 32bit ubuntu over 64bit ubuntu, even if the cpu is 64bit
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | hans_
[12:00] <dzipc_> (hd1,gpt3)/boot/grub
[12:00] <TvL2386> lol
[12:00] <Guest91168> Hi, any can help me in IRC ? O what is the channel? Thanks!
[12:00] <dzipc_> EriC^^:
[12:01] <EriC^^> Guest91168: what sort of help?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> Guest91168: wich channel?
[12:01] <EriC^^> dzipc_: ok try "configfile $prefix/grub.cfg
[12:02] <Guest91168> I need help to install irc kiwi
[12:02] <dzipc_> get a clear grub cli now
[12:02] <dzipc_> like the cmd 'clean' in bash
[12:03] <EriC^^> dzipc_: is there a grub.cfg? try "cat $prefix/grub.cfg"
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> Guest91168: kiwi is a webirc..
[12:03] <dzipc_> no
[12:03] <EriC^^> dzipc_: aha that's the problem then
[12:03] <dzipc_> not a grub.cfg
[12:03] <EriC^^> dzipc_: did you have a separate boot partition?
[12:03] <Guest91168> Yes, can someone help me set it up please?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> Guest91168: kiwi was also seen on #ubuntu-touch as web app
[12:04] <EriC^^> dzipc_: actually nevermind
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> Guest91168: this is ubuntu support here
[12:04] <Guest91168> I understand and to what channel can I go?
[12:04] <EriC^^> dzipc_: type "linux (hd1,gpt3)/vmlinuz<tab complete the newest kernel> root=/dev/sda3"
[12:04] <EriC^^> dzipc_: sorry typo
[12:05] <EriC^^> dzipc_: type "linux (hd1,gpt3)/boot/vmlinuz<tab complete the newest kernel> root=/dev/sda3"
[12:05] <TvL2386> Guest91168: if you want support with a certain topic, go the the website of the thing your interested in and see if they have an irc channel or something
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> Guest91168: https://kiwiirc.com/docs/
[12:05] <EriC^^> dzipc_: then type "initrd (hd1,gpt3)/boot/initrd<also tab complete same version>"
[12:05] <EriC^^> dzipc_: then type "boot"
[12:06] <bag> i need to screenshot a whole webpage, not just the visible part. I found https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13158083/take-a-full-page-screenshot-with-firefox but apparently I cannot write the right command: screenshot pic.png --fullpage returns always error
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> bag: try kazam
[12:06] <bag> how should I download a screenshot of the whole page?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> bag: make a movie and scroll :p
[12:07] <EriC^^> bag: what is the error
[12:07] <bag> all right, and now a serious answer please
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> bag: like recordmydesktop
[12:07] <dzipc_> linux <vmxxx><space>root=
[12:08] <EriC^^> dzipc_: yes
[12:08] <dzipc_> ok
[12:08] <EriC^^> dzipc_: if you have the live usb we can just boot that instead
[12:08] <sarthor> How to share my laptop screen like http://screentask.me do, Want to share or mirror my Linux desktop with ip TV
[12:08] <bag> TypeError: this.target.tab is nul
[12:09] <EriC^^> bag: are you sure the tab number is correct?
[12:09] <mar77i> leftyfb: Mystic continued his linux rage on #c64 later, and it's actually funny, by now I figured out what the problem was by just looking at the inform website...
[12:09] <bag> EriC^^, got it, it doesnt work with tor on
[12:10] <mar77i> nacc: you were trying to help him too, right?
[12:10] <EriC^^> bag: oh
[12:10] <mar77i> so basically the inform website offerst an ubuntu package for gnome-inform - the gui build of the damn thing.
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> mar77i: i think they both afk
[12:11] <mar77i> they might find these lines in the backlog for a laugh :)
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> mar77i: idle in #ubuntu-discuss you will find them when online
[12:12] <dzipc_> wow! it sames good now!
[12:12] <mar77i> *seems
[12:12] <dzipc_> EriC^^: 👍👍👍
[12:12] <dzipc_> seems
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | EriC^^
[12:12] <EriC^^> dzipc_: it booted? it's just temporary though hold on
[12:12] <EriC^^> dzipc_: type please "ls -lR /boot | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:12]  * bag sends a cookie to EriC^^
[12:13] <dzipc_> it booted into the GUI system
[12:13] <EriC^^> dzipc_: ok, now to fix the problem..
[12:14] <EriC^^> dzipc_: please run the command and also "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:16] <dzipc_> http://termbin.com/547u
[12:17] <dzipc_> http://termbin.com/547u
[12:17] <dzipc_> http://termbin.com/2fon
[12:18] <EriC^^> dzipc_: type "sudo update-grub"
[12:18] <EriC^^> then "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:19] <dzipc_> http://termbin.com/fqdg
[12:19] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:20] <guest__> ubuntu 18.04.1 is released?
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | guest__
[12:21] <EriC^^> dzipc_: try to reboot and see what happens
[12:21] <dzipc_> ok
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> guest__: expected 26 july
[12:21] <guest__> thanks
[12:25] <dzipc_> EriC^^: It automatically reboots sucessful!👍👍👍👍👍
[12:25] <OlofL> How do I lower system sounds only, in ubuntu 1804?
[12:28] <leftyfb> OlofL: I don't think you can
[12:28] <leftyfb> OlofL: unless it's sound -> sound effects and move the slider
[12:29] <illuminated> hopefully I can get my files backed up soon and drop windows off this box and put ubuntu on it.
[12:29] <EriC^^> dzipc_: great!
[12:30] <test2> quit
[12:30] <fdgfdg> be carefull illuminated.. i did that then kept running into trouble
[12:30] <fdgfdg> make sure u understand linux demanding terminal stuff befur eu jump completely
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: please dont generalize things
[12:31] <fdgfdg> wata thing to say, i madvising to be careful
[12:31] <fdgfdg> i wish i was
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: users are not helped with what 'could happen'
[12:31] <fdgfdg> what often happens more like
[12:32] <illuminated> I've been using linux/bsd for awhile as servers.  Just not as a desktop OS.
[12:32] <fdgfdg> im just telling him to be carefull,. i know fanboys dont like it. but im a realist
[12:32] <leftyfb> fdgfdg: Please stop. Your personal experience and challenges do not apply to everyone. Unlike you, other people don't have a problem reading documentation when they want to know how to do something.
[12:33] <fdgfdg> depends how much reading u want to do.. and please stop generalizing, like u know wat 'other people ' are willing to do
[12:33] <fdgfdg> accuse me of generalizing and u do it ureself
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: move to ubuntu-discuss please, not here
[12:34] <leftyfb> fdgfdg: Please stop. This is a support channel.
[12:35] <dzipc_> EriC^^:  you are so nice and powerful!
[12:35] <dzipc_> 👏👏👏
[12:49] <qwebirc53459> hi
[12:50] <qwebirc53459> help me
[12:50] <leftyfb> qwebirc53459: Hello. What can we help you with?
[12:50] <qwebirc53459> someone
[12:50] <leftyfb> !ask | qwebirc53459
[12:53] <qwebirc53459> i just installed ubuntu on windows10 using windows store, i donno how to start ubuntu command line?
[12:54] <leftyfb> !wsl | qwebirc53459
[13:05] <Raybih> Mormonism
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> Raybih: can we help you?
[13:11] <Raybih> , nontrinitarian denominations comprise a minority of modern Christianity.
[13:13] <kasper> Mormonism is the predominant religious tradition of the Latter Day Saint movement of Restorationist Christianity started by Joseph Smith in Western New York in the 1820s and 30s
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Raybih kasper
[13:19] <phocean> hello
[13:20] <phocean> are you guys here keeping Apparmor enabled on your workstations ?
[13:21] <leftyfb> phocean: Please ask for help with an issue you are having. Not what others are doing.
[13:22] <phocean> leftyfb, ok, sorry. To clarify, my issue is that it is throwing to many alerts all the time (DHCP, man, and other stuff).
[13:22] <phocean> I feel it is too noizy for a workstation
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: Can you post some examples to pastebin and send us the link here?
[13:23] <phocean> the SELinux guys in Fedora managed to improve that, after many years
[13:23] <hfp> Can anyone recommend a URL shortener that doesn't track you (i.e. not bit.ly or goo.gl)? I'm looking for something like dpaste.de but for URL shortening.
[13:23] <phocean> but that is not the case in Ubuntu, it seems
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: That isn't an Ubuntu support question. For non-support related questions, please visit the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: Did you see my response?
[13:25] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, yes, here is an excerpt : https://pastebin.com/G0zVmcHH
[13:26] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, yesterday the man issue got sorted here, as the profile is not optimal
[13:26] <tekisui> hello
[13:26] <tekisui> any idea to fix this: Failed to find module 'vhba'
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: did you create your own custom profile or was it mostly in a default state?
[13:26] <leftyfb> tekisui: in what context?
[13:27] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, not a single one, that's all default
[13:27] <tekisui> some kernel error
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> !details | tekisui
[13:27] <tekisui> ok, merci
[13:27] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, and it is normal use of the system, so it should not be so noisy
[13:27] <leftyfb> tekisui: when do you get it to show up? Please be detailed in your answers
[13:27] <tekisui> in start up screen
[13:28] <tekisui> then i did systemctl
[13:28] <tekisui>  systemctl --failed
[13:28] <leftyfb> tekisui: what version of ubuntu?
[13:28] <tekisui> 16.04
[13:28] <leftyfb> tekisui: why are you typing "systemctl --failed"?
[13:28] <tekisui> i had some spam virus in it
[13:28] <tekisui> think it was in firefox
[13:28] <tekisui> dunno if it´s connected
[13:28] <leftyfb> tekisui: I doubt it
[13:29] <tekisui> ok :)
[13:30] <tekisui> well will tinker a bit more
[13:30] <tekisui> last time messed up intel video card
[13:30] <tekisui> i thought i killed the bios
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: I'm not familiar enough with AppArmor to know how to create profiles and help reduce it's noisiness. Did you enable any 3rd party package repositories? Do you have any custom or self compiled programs installed?
[13:32] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, not, it is all default applications. I am using Docker, but otherwise nothing special. I would disable Apparmor if it was not an important security component of Docker, precisely.
[13:33] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, maybe I am going to remove all profiles except Docker... but it should not reach that point if the profiles were better adjusted, in my opinion.
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> are these within the Docker container, or this is the host machine of Docker throwing these errors?
[13:34] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, no, for instance CUPS happens when printing to my network printer
[13:34] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, man in the terminal of the host
[13:34] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, and network manager, when plugging an USB ethernet cable
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: I understand the triggers... what I don't understand is what environment you are running Ubuntu
[13:38] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, a thinkpad laptop
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: that is the hardware, not the environment
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> I'm trying to determine is it the host operating system running Docker that has AppAmor errors, or is it the operating system inside one of the Docker containers giving out AppAmor errors
[13:42] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, it is the host that has these errors
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: Did the host OS installation come from Ubuntu, or did you download an install image from another resource?
[13:43] <kantlivelong> has anyone ever seen an issue where pressing alt/win/cmd+left/right results in switching VTs. on 16.04
[13:43] <kantlivelong> it's maddening
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> kantlivelong: Vertual terminals, or virtual desktops?
[13:44] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, official channel from Ubuntu (I work in infosec)
[13:44] <kantlivelong> pragmaticenigma: terminals. its leaving X
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> kantlivelong: I believe that is normal. I've never used that shortcut before
[13:54] <kantlivelong> ALT+LEFT?
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: Any thought that the Docker installation added or reconfigured profiles?
[13:54] <kantlivelong> IE go back on a browser or file manager
[13:55] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, no, it's impossible, the profiles are intact
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> kantlivelong: I'm not understanding what you are saying. Your sentences are incomplete and fragmented
[13:56] <kantlivelong> pragmaticenigma: pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW results in switching to another VT. That is certainly not normal.
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: I'm not seeing any appamor in my logs... where do you find them?
[13:56] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I will adjust them by hand then, but I hope this will improve in the future. It must be very annoying for users that cannot deal with it.
[13:57] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, you can find them in /var/log/kern.log and just grep on apparmor.
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> kantlivelong: you are correct, that is not normal, at least I have not experienced it
[13:57] <phocean> pragmaticenigma, I do receive notification popups also, if you don't it means you have no trouble
[13:58] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: Right, I'm trying to figure out how my machine is configured so I can see if I can trigger something
[13:59] <james> hi guys
[13:59] <james> anybody?
[13:59] <Guest48522> what?
[13:59] <Guest48522> i'm james
[14:00] <Guest48522> can u hear me?
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: What I might considering doing is spinning up an install without Docker... take the profiles and compare them to the misbehaving system and see what the differences are
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> phocean: that might help you isolate what the problem is specifically
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> Guest48522: (james) When you choose a name, it needs to be unique. There is another person here that already uses that name and it is not available to you.
[14:01] <Guest48522> so
[14:01] <Guest48522> quit
[14:01] <Guest48522> 怎么不quit
[14:02] <pragmaticenigma> Guest48522 the command is /quit
[14:02] <FurretUber> Hi, I have used clamscan to scan my computer and it detected viruses on programs provided by the package dh-exec
[14:03] <FurretUber> /usr/lib/dh-exec/dh-exec-strip: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: Have you installed any 3rd party PPAs or installed software from sources other than those provided by Ubuntu?
[14:04] <Lachezar> Hey all. I've got a weird problem with my newly installed Xubuntu: "ssh-add -l" shows all my keys in ~/.ssh, but "ssh-add -D" does not clear the keys, and always asks for password even though I have 'ssh-add -s /.../pkcs-11.so'. Really nagging!
[14:04] <FurretUber> No, this package is from first party. I have checked its sha256, I'm wondering if it's a false positive: https://www.virustotal.com/pt/file/5de40e115f1748edf370c373e36a1d4077afcd91167bee799ee1609b34b173d1/analysis/1531833770/
[14:05] <oerheks> FurretUber, do this check, probably a false positive >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2396418
[14:05] <oerheks> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/07/msg00580.html
[14:05] <oerheks> happens a lot with clamav
[14:08] <FurretUber> The sha384 is the same
[14:08] <FurretUber> And the package is dh-exec
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> if the checksum matches the official checksum from the repos... My feeling is your safe.
[14:10] <hggdh> FurretUber: see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:11] <oerheks> see, false positive
[14:13] <FurretUber> Thank you, pretty strange. I found a Gentoo forums discussion where one user says it's a ClamAV 0.94 issue
[14:13] <FurretUber> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8241086.html
[14:13] <oerheks> yeah, so you re running gentoo ?
[14:13] <oerheks> LoLz
[14:14] <FurretUber> No, I found it
[14:14] <FurretUber> When I was searching about Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> FurretUber  what's the output of       cat /etc/issue
[14:15] <oerheks> FurretUber, our clamav is much newer :-D ... so,., tell the truth!
[14:15] <oerheks> !info clamav
[14:15] <oerheks> !info clamav xenial
[14:16] <oerheks> i rest my case
[14:16] <blockflaw> FurretUber: the way these things work is that they search for "signatures" which are sequences of bytes that _might_ look like malware from teh database. IF clamav finds something, it's not 100% guaranteed to be that. If it doesn't, it's never 100% guarantee there's nothing in it.
[14:16] <blockflaw> this pretty much is applicable to ALL antivirus/antimalware or even IDS
[14:16] <FurretUber> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS \n \l
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> I was always under the impression that ClamAV was mostly a tool for finding Windows Viruses that were being hidden on Unix machines. (Like scanning e-mail, ftp, websites for virus payloads). Didn't know they'd expanded it out to Unix/Linux specific threats
[14:17] <blockflaw> pragmaticenigma: the way it works, it doesn't matter what's the source of the signature. but yeah, they cover everything the can.
[14:18] <FurretUber> Well, I wrote wrong before. When I wrote 0.94 it was 0.99.4, sorry
[14:29] <Ubu-1604> question : what is the difference between the 'ubuntu software - Updates' and the seperate 'software updater' icon? .. i always use the seperate software updater, but the other says I have OS updates to install (1) ..  I'll run updates and it still says I have them all the time
[14:31] <UserUS> Ubu-1604, best way to get the sys updates is just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:33] <Ubu-1604> UserUS: oh .. so run that sudo command seperately? .. I'll try that now.
[14:33] <UserUS> Ubu-1604, yeah, I do sudo apt-get update && upgrade && dist-upgrade
[14:34] <Ubu-1604> another quick one .. I just discovered the ubuntu web browser .. runs fast .. how do I get the lastest version? .. I was just going to look in the Snap store
[14:35] <Ubu-1604> UserUS: is that sudo command 3 seperate lines? .. sorry I'm kinda new to the ubunto world .. or just run that whole line with the  '&&'
[14:35] <Ubu-1604> UserUS: when I upgraded Quassel irc I had to use a INSTALL command as well
[14:36] <UserUS> Ubu-1604, you can put it in terminal the way I put it, or you can do each apt-get by themselves. so sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. To get the newest version of something, run an apt install and it'll update to the newest version
[14:37] <UserUS> Ubu-1604, https://askubuntu.com/questions/301484/how-do-i-update-ubuntu-manually
[14:37] <Ubu-1604> UserUS: awsome :) ... so I can do that for any software on here? .. like the Ubuntu web browser .. I was to upgrade it .. how do I even find the version number? .. there is nothing on the main web browser menu .. is there an easy way to find any version nunmber of software I have installed?
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> Ubu-1604: apt-cache policy your-package-name-here
[14:40] <UserUS> Ubu-1604, also running the update and upgrade will automatically include the built in browser
[14:41] <Ubu-1604> ok yes I understand now :) .. ya the built in web browser is nice, BUT I don't see any HOME button .. which is why I was going to try and upgrade
[14:42] <Ubu-1604> seems to show in the book marks though so that's ok
[14:43] <Ubu-1604> last question ... is there a way I can make the quick launch bar wider? .. I want to add more icons but the bar is full .. i was hoping for 2 rows or even a way to make a folder to put icons in.  Or maybe a better launch bar app/snap?  I'm using ubuntu 16.04
[14:44] <xjkx> just fresh installed 18.04, openbox doesn't work. When i right click to get a menu, I get the menu, but then that menu never goes away. If I click again, I get another menu, and another, and another, it doesn't clear up the screen. If I move a window, I see the window being replicated like in a mirror. It just doesn't clear up. What am I missing?
[14:45] <blockflaw> xjkx: there's a bug for it with solution, lemme find it for you
[14:45] <xjkx> blockflaw: ok :)
[14:45] <blockflaw> xjkx: bug #1733125
[14:45] <UserUS> Ubu-1604, you could check out the unity-tweak-tool and try using that to customize the dock more
[14:46] <xjkx> blockflaw: will check it, thank you
[14:46] <blockflaw> xjkx: #3 fixes it
[14:46] <Ubu-1604> UserUS: ok I'll look into that tweek tool .. I'm runing thoes sudo commands you pasted before .. yes it seems to be updating some areas.
[14:47] <blockflaw> xjkx: just note that is changing a system file, so whenever the package that defines the file updates, it will be reverted, until this is fixed.
[14:48] <silv3r_m00n1> hi there
[14:48] <silv3r_m00n1> i upgraded to ubutu 18.04 and now i cant find commands gksudo and kdesudo
[14:48] <silv3r_m00n1> where are they ?
[14:48] <xjkx> blockflaw: alright, is it in this same page they tell when it's fixed?
[14:49] <blockflaw> xjkx: It should be yes. marking the bug as affecting you and subscribing to it is one way to increase heat and show the maintainer it's becoming important.
[14:49] <xjkx> blockflaw: got it, thanks
[14:51] <blockflaw> xjkx: btw, openbox works fine, that's only the background not refreshing/clearing. it's annoying at best, but otherwise doesn't impair functionality, hence the slowness to fix it.
[14:52] <xjkx> makes sense
[14:55] <freeone3000> How do I report a bug against a package if I don't have X?
[14:56] <rory> I think you can open bugs directly through the Launchpad website
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: wich bug you wanan report on what package?
[14:56] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: docker.io has "#!/bin/sh" as a first line in its uninstall script and uses shopt in the script body, causing it to unclean uninstall.
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: are you using docker from the repos? or ppa or snap?
[14:57] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: from universe.
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: you running ubuntu-server?
[14:58] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: uname -a reads Linux build-server 4.13.0-1018-azure #21-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 17 13:58:38 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: could you re-ask in #ubuntu-server first please, perhaps its a known problem before you start a bug?
[14:59] <freeone3000> well assumably the known bug would also show up in the bug tracker.
[15:01] <freeone3000> yep, it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/docker.io/+bug/1744599 . Thanks!
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> freeone3000: you running artful server?
[15:02] <freeone3000> lotuspsychje: I'm running the Azure Ubuntu image.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust
[15:14] <bag> I applied for a job today. Online. My full application is 16 MBs big. It includes scanned copies of my bachelor and master. Each of those is 5MB big. Used the highest resolution available. How could I reduce the size of each of those files, but still make it look good on the whole pdf?
[15:17] <pi`> Hello
[15:26] <bag> how do I reduce size of scanned documents without losing much quality?
[15:28] <blockflaw> bag: DPI. you can go as low as 96 or even 72 to have it readable on screen (but they'll be murky and blurry, especially text, in print)
[15:28] <bag> blockflaw, assume the receiver is going to rpint it on DIN-A4
[15:28] <genii> bag: What format are these documents currently in?
[15:28] <bag> pdf
[15:29] <Shabbysheik> bag: if you dont want to rescan you can use http://www.alfredklomp.com/programming/shrinkpdf/
[15:29] <Shabbysheik> little script that works well
[15:29] <bag> genii, originally xcf
[15:29] <bag> and pdf
[15:30] <genii> bag: As Shabbysheik says, you can reduce them with shrinkpdf, there is also pdfcompress and pdftk
[15:30] <blockflaw> bag: for A4 print I wouldn't go lower than 200 DPI, 300 is standard for offset and digital print, 600 is standard for crisp rasterized text.
[15:30] <genii> I've had better results with pdfcompress
[15:30] <bag> 600 is what I used to scan originally
[15:30] <swein> Does 18.04 still not support Multiple display individual DPI scaling? I have a 4k and 1440P, all scaling is for both. I've tried gnome tweak tools also
[15:30] <blockflaw> bag: if it's not text, you can lower it to 300. I mean you can lower even text to 300, but it'll be slightly fuzzy in print, not clear and crisp as 600
[15:31] <blockflaw> pure text documents, black and white (NOT grayscale), 600 DPI should compress quite well.
[15:32] <bag> blockflaw, afraid I dont want that: bachelor and master diploma
[15:32] <blockflaw> then 600 it is, lossles compression.
[15:32] <blockflaw> 1-bit (black and white, not grayscale) if it's pure text. that will significantly reduce the file size.
[15:32] <bag> http://www.alfredklomp.com/programming/shrinkpdf/ is down from where I am
[15:35] <ioria> bag, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pXZnfGC8Dk/
[15:39] <oerheks> how many days of support do i have left? 17.10 supports ends in juli.. but when?
[15:40] <entuland> hello everybody, I'm installing Ubuntu Server 18.4 via Hyper-V, the installation process asked me about the disk (I created a 30GB virtual disk)
[15:40] <entuland> will I be fine with everything set for / as ext4, or should I manually partition it to use swap or the alike?
[15:40] <entuland> I just need it to mess with some simple dev sites under apache and PHP, nothing fancy
[15:41] <ioria> entuland, 18.04 uses swapfile
[15:41] <entuland> ioria: so I'll be fine with the preset I guess, thanks
[15:41] <ioria> entuland, yes
[15:41] <entuland> great, thanks again :)
[15:42] <Han> In which package is ubuntu-bug installed?
[15:43] <ioria> apport
[15:44] <rory> you can know this in future with dpkg -S `which ubuntu-bug`
[15:44] <rory> apport: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug
[15:45] <Han> ioria, thanks
[15:45] <ioria> Han, ok
[15:45] <Han> rory, I didn't have it installed yet.
[15:45] <oerheks> Han,  then you run not ubuntu..
[15:46] <oerheks> ubuntu-bug is standard available
[15:46] <Ubu-1604> question : what is the 'super S' key stroke for multiple workspaces?
[15:46] <Han> oerheks, that must be it.
[15:46] <rory> apport comes with ubuntu - on ubuntu if you try to run a command that is not installed, it will tell you which packages provide the command
[15:47]  * Han facepalms and wanders off.
[15:47] <Guest26401> Hello is this where you ask if you need help?
[15:48] <oerheks> guest help with ubuntu, correct
[15:48] <rory> it is, but you should set another nickname e.g. /nick AnimeWeedLord420
[15:48] <Guest26401> Great, i am trying to delete /dev/loops and i can't understand how
[15:48] <oerheks> typing numbers is boring, so i do not.
[15:49] <oerheks> dev loops.. those are snaps, let them be, or remove the snap
[15:49] <rory> yeah files in /dev/ you don't delete really, it's a pseudo-device that represents some bit of "hardware" on your machine
[15:49] <Ubu-1604> question : how do I get to use all 4 of these multiple work spaces? .. the main one always seems to be overlayed? .. I can't use the other 3.
[15:49] <rory> "hardware" in quotes cos it doesn't have to be a physical device
[15:50] <rory> Guest26401: overall what are you trying to achieve?
[15:50] <Ubu-1604> nevermind, i figured iot out.
[15:50] <rory> Ubu-1604: you can switch between them with ctrl-alt-arrow-keys
[15:51] <Ubu-1604> rory:  ahhh thank you .. got it ... this multiple workspace thing IS awsome :P~~~ .. I'm kinda new to ubuntu
[15:52] <rory> it is pretty useful usually. like a boss key. you can have IRC and Reddit on one workspace, and swoosh it all away whhen someone walks past
[15:52] <oerheks> Ubu-1604, on the panel of any window, right click > move to ..
[15:53] <Ubu-1604> oerheks: ya i also see it on the launcher bar and using that tweek tool I can just move to a side of the screen to get to it.
[16:01] <drean> And why would I want snaps? I have not installed or created any to my knowledge (pre guest26401)
[16:02] <thePiGrepper> you wouldnt. it's only needed if you want latest/development builds
[16:02] <oerheks> some packages in softwarecenter are snaps, no longer deb
[16:02] <oerheks> so get used to it, it is the future ( snaps and flatpack)
[16:03] <ffejj> can someone help me change my tty resolution on mate 18.04?
[16:03] <Ubu-1604> brb .. reboot
[16:03] <oerheks> ffejj, set your personal font and size in your terminal profile
[16:03] <oerheks> there is no resolution change
[16:04] <drean> But it is annoying to see these loops when i am trying to look at my disk
[16:06] <ffejj> oerheks: well... i am using the largest size of terminal font, but it's still a bit too small because my res is 3840 2160
[16:07] <oerheks> there is a scaling option in systemsettings
[16:07] <ffejj> can you elaborate?
[16:08] <ffejj> what is "systemsettings"?
[16:09] <oerheks> oh i am wrong, scaling is available in gnome-tweak-tool
[16:09] <ffejj> oh :(
[16:09] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[16:09] <oerheks> under 'fonts'
[16:10] <ffejj> i'm in tty mode, not gnome
[16:10] <oerheks> 1,25 would do a lot for Hdpi
[16:11] <oerheks> then there is no resolution option, else than increasing fonts to absurd big, like 72
[16:12] <nacc> spaces: saw your question from yes. re: php-curl, can you repeat it?
[16:12] <nacc> waltman: right, but if docker-inc updates the snap, you get the new version automatically
[16:13] <ffejj> i don't think i have any fonts that big oerheks.
[16:24] <endlessdream> So what is the purpose of snaps / loops?
[16:24] <ppf> what's a loop
[16:24] <nacc> endlessdream: do you mean loopback mounted filesystems?
[16:25] <nacc> ppf: -^ possibly
[16:25] <ppf> ah. that's just files mounted as if they were devices
[16:25] <endlessdream> i mean /dev/loop that they said earlier was connected to snaps
[16:25] <ppf> and snaps are a containerized packaging format
[16:26] <endlessdream> Okey, why is that a good/bad thing?
[16:27] <ppf> because it provides application isolation, bundles all dependencies, and provides contexts for different concurrent application versions
[16:27] <endlessdream> I am very new to ubuntu (like a week) and don't understand much so that is why i ask here. I prefer to talk people.
[16:28] <ppf> so for security, safety, and dependency management
[16:30] <endlessdream> So to make the programs run more efficiently and secure?
[16:30] <ppf> just more secure
[16:30] <blackflow> well, not all of them. --classic snaps are not confined.
[16:30] <ppf> mostly more safe
[16:31] <blackflow> the primary "purpose" for snaps and flatpaks is that vendors can deliver the software without having to battle the base OS for dependencies, and/or clobbering the main filesystem.
[16:31] <ppf> yes
[16:31] <ppf> safety and security are an added opt-in bonus
[16:32] <endlessdream> So insted they clobber the fdisk?
[16:32] <blackflow> the secondary purpose is isolation through interfaces.
[16:32] <ppf> yes ;D
[16:32] <blackflow> my biggest gripe with snaps is that you must be very careful which ones you install. anyone can upload anything and you have to trust them, their security policies, etc...  I prefer the maintainer middleman in default repos.
[16:33] <ppf> indeed. i'm not using snapd
[16:33] <endlessdream> Okay that sounds good and all but I find it annoying that I have to scroll through 15 loops and one mapping just to find my disks,
[16:34] <oerheks> plus point is roll back, it keeps 3 versions
[16:34] <blackflow> endlessdream: I think there's a bug open for that
[16:34] <endlessdream> But i have not installed any snaps or loops to my onw knowledge
[16:34] <blackflow> endlessdream: the problem being in the gnome file manager, right?
[16:34] <oerheks> some packages in softwarecenter are snaps, no longer deb
[16:34] <ppf> oerheks: i'm also not using softwarecenter ;)
[16:34] <blackflow> 18.04 comes with a few pre-installed snaps.
[16:35] <endlessdream> the snaps are gnome-<blahblah>, discord, spotify and vlc
[16:36] <endlessdream> with a majority being gnome
[16:37] <qwebirc78249> hello
[16:37] <qwebirc78249> on trying to install ubuntu to my pc it says grub failed
[16:37] <blackflow> endlessdream: parts of gnome at any rate.
[16:37] <Werterd> Wow. It's still not ready for the masses
[16:37] <qwebirc78249> what should i do
[16:38] <endlessdream> so then the question becomes can I keep the programs but remove the snaps and loops
[16:38] <Werterd> Qweirc78249 install with no internet. Weird but try it
[16:39] <qwebirc78249> it says fatal error grub failed
[16:39] <qwebirc78249> what do i do
[16:39] <Werterd> Qwebirc78249 Qweirc78249 install with no internet. Weird but try it
[16:39] <qwebirc78249> yes thats what i did
[16:40] <Werterd> Simple stuff like this for a LTR
[16:40] <Werterd> Shouldn't be so hard
[16:41] <qwebirc78249> i am new to it
[16:41] <qwebirc78249> i guess am not getting the right partition to install it
[16:41] <qwebirc78249> because i am trying to dual boot with windows
[16:41] <Werterd> Maybe.
[16:42] <Werterd> Did you try sudo update-grub
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> Werterd: Please stop, you are not being helpful and only confusing other people.
[16:44] <qwebirc78249> how do i do it
[16:44] <Werterd> What are you talking about. He can try sudo update-grub
[16:44] <ppf> blackflow: true, 18.04 brings back snapd
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> Werterd: The system is not installed yet...
[16:44] <qwebirc78249> Yes it isn't installed it fails
[16:46] <Werterd> Does it boot from the install USB
[16:46] <ppf> endlessdream: you can remove the snaps
[16:46] <qwebirc78249> yes it boots from the install USB
[16:47] <qwebirc78249> but it is now among the boot options
[16:47] <qwebirc78249> and if i try to boot it from there it takes me to grub2 where i just type commands
[16:48] <Werterd> Does the install USB boot to a desktop
[16:48] <qwebirc78249> the only way to exit is if i press the power button
[16:48] <qwebirc78249> the install usb boots to a desktop
[16:49] <UserUS> in Ubuntu 18.04 is there a way to disable the opacity change in the top bar and bottom dock bar?
[16:50] <UserUS> when you maximize a windows that is, it turns grey and less transparent
[16:51] <Werterd> When installing select other. Select partions to install too. Also select the UEFI partation. But do not format the UEFI. Also disconnect the Internet
[16:58] <Werterd> Qwebirc78249 how is it now
[17:10] <Guest75452> So how do i delete the snaps?
[17:12] <endlessdream> Hi again rebooted. ppf how do i delete the snaps?
[17:13] <ppf> endlessdream: i'm guessing software center
[17:13] <ppf> no idea though
[17:16] <endlessdream> Do you think that i have to delete the program to delete the snaps?
[17:16] <ppf> lol no
[17:16] <ppf> use it to delete the snap
[17:22] <ducasse> endlessdream: 'snap remove <nameofsnap>'
[17:24] <endlessdream> thanks, i'll try
[17:27] <ducasse> endlessdream: you can use 'snap list' to look up the names of installed snaps
[17:29] <nacc> note that, afaik, local config for the snaps will remain even on removal (in ~/snap, if the snap uses it)
[17:30] <endlessdream> okay, but it is as i feared. If i remove the snap the program is also removed
[17:30] <nacc> uh... of course?
[17:31] <nacc> endlessdream: why would you think anything otherwise?
[17:31] <endlessdream> Because I really know nothing of comuters :D
[17:31] <nacc> your sentence just now was "I removed a program so the program is also removed"
[17:31] <nacc> endlessdream: perhaps learn a bit :)
[17:31] <endlessdream> that is why i am here ;)
[17:32] <endlessdream> and i was hoping that the snap wasnt the program itself but a pathway to it kinda
[17:32] <nacc> that's not how anything works
[17:32] <nacc> snap or not
[17:32] <nacc> endlessdream: if you remove a deb, what happens? do you magically have the program from the deb still?
[17:33] <newbii> Hello people I am trying to make work my Epson scanner under freshly installed Bionic beaver. I installed the packages from the Epson site but still the "simple scan" says - no scanner detected. any help?
[17:35] <endlessdream> obvs not. but as i said i am here to learn, no need to be condesending
[17:36] <endlessdream> and as obvs i failed to understand what a snap is. but now i understand more
[17:36] <nacc> endlessdream: honestly, not being condescending; snap and deb are just different ways to get programs
[17:36] <endlessdream> okey thanks :)
[17:37] <ioria> newbii, don't know exactly your issue, but sometime those pkgs create and install libs in wrong places like in /usr/lib64
[17:37] <endlessdream> then the question becomes is it possible to convert a snap to a deb?
[17:39] <leftyfb> endlessdream: they're not the same thing, no. In fact, a lot of snaps are built from deb source packages
[17:39] <leftyfb> why would you want to?
[17:39] <newbii> ioria - and what should I do? )
[17:40] <newbii> actually the similar procedure worked for pangolin
[17:40] <newbii> and installed this scanner
[17:41] <ioria> newbii,   are you still using 12.04 ?
[17:41] <newbii> no- just changed to 18.04
[17:41] <newbii> and no scanner
[17:41] <endlessdream> Okej, sad. I want to get rid of my /dev/loop<#>
[17:43] <ioria> newbii,   and  you reinstalled the drivers , right ?
[17:43] <nacc> endlessdream: no, i think you are being a bit silly, tbh.
[17:44] <nacc> endlessdream: snaps *must* use loopback mounting. Just get used to it.
[17:44] <nacc> endlessdream: i'm guessing you don't like that they show up in `df -h` usage, or something?
[17:44] <endlessdream> Okay, and yes I probably am. Yeah.
[17:45] <newbii> ioria: i erased pangolin completely and installed beaver from scratch. then downloadd the drivers from epson site and installed them there was no error during installation, just once it asked if Ok to install xsltproc i said ok
[17:45] <endlessdream> Thanks for the help. I learn a lot.
[17:46] <nacc> endlessdream: you can just a grep to skip stuff on loop, if that's what is bothering you
[17:46] <newbii> when i say $iscan  it replies no scanner connected. Of course I checked the wires and all. It works as before with Windows
[17:49] <ppf> mmh what happened to the python rsvg module
[17:51] <nacc> ppf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python-desktop/+publishinghistory removed in debian, unmaintained
[17:52] <endlessdream> no what I am bothered by is that the loops show up among my disks
[17:52] <ppf> nacc: :(
[17:52] <ioria> newbii,   no idea; can you paste /etc/sane.d/dll.conf ?   cat /etc/sane.d/dll.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:53] <nacc> endlessdream: i think you are misunderstanding what df is showing you
[17:53] <nacc> endlessdream: df shows you mounted filesystem usage; snaps are shiped as squashfs images and loopback mounted, so df also shows them.
[17:54] <ppf> endlessdream: so i just uninstall snapd ...
[17:55] <newbii> ioria: http://termbin.com/qa1c
[17:55] <akbarfwd> my computer working slower on ubuntu 18.04
[17:55] <leftyfb> akbarfwd: as opposed to what?
[17:55] <endlessdream> Okay but I am assuming that if i uninstall snapd that the snaps won't work and i still want the programs
[17:56] <ioria> newbii,   usb connected or what ?
[17:56] <blackflow> endlessdream: you can filter df with -t, and/or -T + grep
[17:56] <newbii> ioria- yes
[17:56] <akbarfwd> as opposed to 17.04
[17:56] <endlessdream> nacc thanks
[17:56] <nacc> endlessdream: yes, you are operating simply under very false sassumptions. So please learn a bit, as we've told you a few times.
[17:57] <endlessdream> yes I am trying
[17:57] <ioria> newbii,   cat /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libsane.rules  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:57] <newbii> endlessdream{: you have a nice nick )
[17:57] <endlessdream> blackflow i do not understand what that means
[17:57] <endlessdream> hah thank newbii
[17:58] <blackflow> endlessdream: if the huge df output is a problem for you, you can filter it to show you only specific filesystems
[17:58] <newbii> here it goes: cat: /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libsane.rules: No such file or directory
[17:58] <leftyfb> endlessdream: df -x squashfs
[17:58] <endlessdream> ahke thanks
[17:58] <leftyfb> endlessdream: you could make that into an alias for df
[17:59] <ioria> newbii,   ls  /etc/udev/rules.d/  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:59] <newbii> ioria - I read in the WEB that they have replaced libsane by libsane1 and this just broke the scanner accesses. 1 sec, pasting
[18:00] <ioria> newbii, ok
[18:00] <newbii> 70-snap.core.rules
[18:00] <ioria> newbii, you exact model ?
[18:01] <ioria> *r
[18:01] <qwebirc15334> Hello everyone
[18:02] <ImageJPEG> I have a Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in a virtualbox on a Mac. I've set the dock to autohide when a window is over the dock area but unlike 16.04 LTS, the dock doesn't unhide when you move your mouse over a certain area.
[18:02] <newbii> epson workforce GT-1500
[18:02] <endlessdream> great!
[18:02] <qwebirc15334> could someone give me a hand with NVIDIA Optimus?
[18:02] <endlessdream> Although, i faild to say earlier that it is not the df that is the annoyance it is the fdisk
[18:04] <jrgilman> Hey, I just installed 18.04 and that first login setup helper crashed at the live patch portion. Anyone know what that program is called so i can re run it?
[18:04] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1728012
[18:04] <ioria> newbii, ^
[18:05] <newbii> ioria - thanks for the link
[18:06] <newbii> seems that there is no hope, right?
[18:06] <nacc> endlessdream: why are you running fdisk regularly?
[18:08] <newbii> ioria: ok if I instll WINE then maybe it is OK to scan docs?
[18:09] <ioria> i don't know , sorry
[18:11] <newbii> ioria: in any case this is a great help, I understand the situation now. thanks!!
[18:11] <ioria> newbii, you are welcome
[18:12] <kp231> hi
[18:19] <SimonNL> newbii: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModuleFromResult     search GT-1500     download install use sane or xsane I think to see if it works
[18:22] <sweb> how can i solved https://serverfault.com/questions/922311/ubuntu-pressed-exit-with-code-1 ... what's my problem ?
[18:22] <ikonia> whats the problem ?
[18:24] <sweb> ikonia: exit with code 1 on preseed /late_command
[18:24] <sweb> it's simple bash command that not execute well on preseed
[18:24] <nacc> uh
[18:24] <nacc> why are you using in-target and /target ?
[18:24] <ikonia> late_command is not bash
[18:24] <nacc> and indeed -^
[18:24] <nacc> try runnnig it from the shell in the installer and see why it fails
[18:25] <nacc> *then* convert it to a preseed
[18:25] <ryuo> that really should be in a shell script.
[18:25] <nacc> absolutely should be
[18:25] <nacc> also, read your snippet and thinkg about how the shell interprets your redirect (>)
[18:26] <sweb> nacc: i tried without /target as / but same error ... is there any multi line example of write preseed shell script that work
[18:26] <newbii> ioria: actually in the discussion on the page you mentioned there is a workaround
[18:26] <ryuo> sweb: foo; bar; baz
[18:27] <ryuo> sweb: fyi, sed can take multiple expressions. see -e argument.
[18:27] <sweb> ryuo: what's in-target or /target in many searches appears
[18:27] <ioria> newbii, does   it work ?
[18:27] <nacc> sweb: so you don't know what you're doing in the preseed, but youa re doing it anyways?
[18:28] <nacc> sweb: why are you using a preseed at all?
[18:28] <ryuo> wouldn't it be easier just to do this post-install over ssh?
[18:28] <nacc> or using any of many system configuration/deployment tools
[18:28] <sweb> nacc: fully automation on installation not ... i used ansible after installation but installation is not automatic at all
[18:29] <newbii> ioria - I do not quite understand what the guy means. Could you help? he says 'sudo ln -sfr /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane'
[18:29] <newbii> well this i understand
[18:29] <ryuo> i must be weird. i've been doing manual installs to bootstrap my servers for the last 4-5 years...
[18:29] <newbii> then he says generate '/etc/udev/rules.d/79-udev-epson.rules'
[18:29] <newbii> what does it mean??
[18:30] <sweb> after this commands i dont need to configure my ssh ... so ansible can take anything else ... but before ssh installation ansible or any atuomation is not useful preseed will be helpful
[18:30] <ioria> newbii, he linkedtwo  libs directories
[18:31] <sweb> ryuo: did you think what's use case of preseed ... configure base installation of server ... automation ... configure the ssh must be part of automation
[18:31] <newbii> Ok so do you mean that after the  'sudo ln -sfr /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane'
[18:31] <newbii> it must work?
[18:31] <ioria> how can i know  ? :þ
[18:31] <ryuo> sweb: preseed only makes sense if you need to deploy the same configuration over and over again. it's a lot of work just for one system.
[18:31] <newbii> he says then "genereate ... etc... " should I also generate smth?
[18:32] <Woodpecker> Hey I would like to have a page on ubuntu.com scrubbed of personal contact information.
[18:32] <Woodpecker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/community/Kivi
[18:32] <newbii> ioria: ok I did the link - 1 sec trying
[18:32] <nacc> sweb: ryuo: and if you really need that, then use any number of tools that help with deoployment, not preseed directly
[18:32] <newbii> ioria : no, the same reply form iscan
[18:33] <ioria> sy
[18:34] <newbii> wait but what does it mean:  generate '/etc/udev/rules.d/79-udev-epson.rules'
[18:34] <sweb> ryuo: think about just simple program can generate preseed and iso for you and many repeated use cases for you.
[18:34] <sweb> nacc: could you provide some of that tools solve my problem ?
[18:35] <ment0s> is there any reason why multiple three part domains on dns search would not work ? I have few three part domains ex: search test.test1.domain.com test1.domain.com test2.domain.com test3.domain.com ; this doesnt seem to work for. nslookup failes for all of them. when I have just search test1.domain.com it works
[18:35] <nacc> sweb: what is your eventual end goal? install one machine? install 100s of machines? install 1000s of machines? install 1000s of VMs?
[18:35] <blackflow> Woodpecker: why can't you edit it?
[18:35] <ryuo> blackflow: it's immutable page.
[18:35] <Woodpecker> blackflow: it says immutable page.
[18:36] <blackflow> Woodpecker: even when you log in?
[18:36] <nacc> Woodpecker: are you logged in?
[18:36] <Woodpecker> nacc: I am, but maybe I have more than one account... and that Im logged into the wrong one. I dont think so though.
[18:36] <Woodpecker> ill check.
[18:37] <ryuo> ment0s: what's your problem exactly?
[18:38] <sweb> nacc: automation is not just about number ... test unit .. and prevent mistakes ... for no i install about less than 200 servers by now and maybe will be grows .. i dono but i like automation and it's help me a lot ... even in 3 servers ... i dont like to do repeat myself
[18:38] <nacc> Woodpecker: given that this nick does not match the nick explicitly mentioned on that page...
[18:38] <Woodpecker> nacc: Im logged in with that nick, and on the bottom it says editted by akiva... so
[18:39] <nacc> Woodpecker != Kivi, is what I mean :)
[18:39] <newbii> ioria - his advice (this is #25) contains indeed the next step - this story of generating a file
[18:39] <newbii> but how can i do this?
[18:39] <Woodpecker> nacc: oh. here let me log into irc
[18:39] <nacc> sweb: you might want #ubuntu-server
[18:39] <nacc> Woodpecker: it's fine, and fwiw, i logged in and can edit the page
[18:39] <nacc> Woodpecker: so it's definitely account related
[18:40] <nacc> i forget which channel to contact for the wiki, though
[18:40] <Woodpecker> nacc: that is interesting...
[18:40] <ment0s> ryuo: when I have multiple domains in resolv.conf it doesnt search domains at all, only single domain works
[18:40] <ryuo> ment0s: you know what those are for, right?
[18:40] <Woodpecker> nacc: can you just remove the email, or do you need confirmation that I am who I am?
[18:40] <ryuo> search domains.
[18:41] <nacc> Woodpecker: i'm not comfortable doing it for you
[18:41] <ment0s> ryuo: for appending dns suffix to hostnames, do you ?
[18:41] <ryuo> ment0s: from what i recall those only apply to single-label lookups.
[18:41] <nacc> Woodpecker: and even if you were to login as the appropriate IRC nick, that's not really sufficient
[18:41] <nacc> Woodpecker: i think you can reach out to the wiki admins
[18:41] <ioria> newbii, i'am  reading that the repost it's mostly about brother brscan3 drivers ...
[18:41] <ioria> *report
[18:41] <Woodpecker> nacc: I understand. what if I send you an email from the email that is listed on there?
[18:42] <Woodpecker> wait thats tough... because @linux is just a forwarding email...
[18:42] <ryuo> ment0s: ... anyway. it may be related to resolved. what's your nameserver?
[18:42] <Woodpecker> well you could send me an email, and Ill give you the codeword.
[18:42] <blackflow> Woodpecker: why can't you request password reset?
[18:42] <nacc> Woodpecker: i think you should go through the official channels
[18:42] <nacc> Woodpecker: and what blackflow said
[18:42] <newbii> ioria: this is #25
[18:43] <ryuo> ment0s: if it's <IP_ADDRESS>, then it's resolved.
[18:43] <blackflow> Woodpecker: and don't push for anyone to do it otherwise because it can quickly start looking like phishing adn social engineering for account takeover.   /paranoia
[18:43] <ioria> newbii, ah, ok
[18:43] <Woodpecker> blackflow: nacc ;  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZN2tBqtl/image.png
[18:43] <Woodpecker> so I am logged in. I just cant do anything... but okay.
[18:44] <ryuo> ment0s: and... resolved does DNS queries differently to upstream DNS servers. if any of these domain names are known only to local DNS, then resolved will sometimes fail to resolve them.
[18:44] <blackflow> Woodpecker: you'll have to ask wiki admins then.
[18:44] <Woodpecker> blackflow: okay.
[18:44] <nacc> Woodpecker: did you possible get removed from the wiki editors group on launchpad?
[18:44] <newbii> ioria - but I can not create this [nice] file
[18:44] <ment0s> ryuo: not using resolvd in resolv.conf but ill give it a go with disabling it and trying
[18:44] <newbii> I have there 70-snap.core.rules
[18:44] <Woodpecker> nacc: i dont ever remember joining them, ubt maybe.
[18:44] <newbii> and that s all,
[18:45] <ryuo> ment0s: not necessary, but it's a common issue with how resolved breaks networks that relied on sequential queries.
[18:45] <ryuo> it's why i've bypassed resolved for local DNS.
[18:46] <ryuo> if they provided a mechanism for retaining the old behavior, i wouldn't bother.
[18:46] <nacc> Woodpecker: that's how spam prevention on the wiki works
[18:46] <Woodpecker> nacc: fair enough.
[18:47] <newbii> ioria - Ok I did it ))
[18:47] <newbii> trying
[18:48] <manny> Hi. Is there a way to have different lauchers/minimized apps in every workspace? A perworkspace laucher, as it was in < 16.04 ?
[18:48] <manny> ^^ in 18.04
[18:48] <blackflow> ment0s: just to be sure here, you have  eg    search test.somedomain.com      and you expect accessing  'somehost'  to be searched as and resolved as   somehost.test.somedomain.com,  right?
[18:49] <newbii> ioria - same result. Well I will reboot just in case. see you in 5 mins
[18:49] <ment0s> blackflow: thats right
[18:50] <blackflow> ment0s: try adding them to Domains=   in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.    or don't use systemd-resolved. I don't know what that thing does, but it does not respect search domains in resolv.conf.
[18:51] <blackflow> (I always disable it, on all systems)
[18:51] <ment0s> blackflow: will give it a go thanks
[18:52] <blackflow> ment0s: don't forget to restart the systemd-resolved.service when you change that config file
[18:54] <newbii> ioria: no it does n ot work
[18:54] <ioria> newbii, #25 ?
[18:54] <newbii> yes
[18:54] <newbii> i created the file /etc/udev/rules.d/79-udev-epson.rules
[18:55] <newbii> and put there # chmod device EPSON group ATTRS{manufacturer}=="EPSON", DRIVERS=="usb", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="04b8", ATTRS{idProduct}=="*", MODE="0777"
[18:55] <newbii> and nothing changed except the machine has problems to start ( but it was already before
[18:56] <ioria> newbii, can you paste 'lsusb ' ?
[18:56] <newbii> ioria: could you tell me how to UNLINK the files if possible, since i am afraid to spoil smth
[18:56] <newbii> 1 sec
[18:57] <newbii> lsusb
[18:57] <ioria> newbii, lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <newbii> there is a line Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:0133 Seiko Epson Corp. GT-1500 [GT-D1000]
[18:58] <newbii> http://termbin.com/cu4g
[18:59] <ioria> newbii, the id is correct
[18:59] <newbii> yes )
[19:03] <halvors> I found bugs in systemd-networkd which breaks DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation. Fixes are easy to patch, is it possible to request to get backported 2 commits from systemd master into ubuntu's packages 237 version?
[19:03] <nacc> !bug | halvors
[19:04] <halvors> Yeah, but will actually anyone care to do anything about it, ie. backport commits from upstream master?
[19:04] <leftyfb> halvors: try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[19:05] <halvors> Ok thanks :)
[19:05] <nacc> halvors: ... i mean, file the bug? yes, in general, bugfixes get worked on
[19:06] <nacc> leftyfb: not sure why you'd redirect them to #ubuntu-devel
[19:06] <ioria> newbii, the other solution requires the manual installation of .debs pkgs,  that probably would cause unmet dependencies  or stuff
[19:06] <nacc> the appropriate choice is to file a bug and resolve it via a bug
[19:06] <leftyfb> sure, but to get answers about backporting, isn't that sort of thing done in -devel?
[19:07] <nacc> leftyfb: my reading was they were asking if it's possible, which it is, and how to request it, which is file a bug; not about backporting themselves
[19:07] <nacc> halvors: --^ is that accurate?
[19:07] <newbii> ioria: i guess I will stop here. could you tell me how to undo the command "ln" which I did following the workaround? I would like to return to the previous state of affairs
[19:07] <newbii>  it was sudo ln -sfr /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane
[19:08] <newbii> so how do I undo this?
[19:08] <ioria> newbii, it should not cause any troubles  but you  just remove it or unlink
[19:08] <newbii> sudo unlink -sfr /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane
[19:08] <newbii> that is it?
[19:09] <ioria> newbii, ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:10] <newbii> http://termbin.com/6fje
[19:12] <ioria> newbii, ls -l      /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa*  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:13] <newbii> http://termbin.com/rf9t
[19:13] <ioria> newbii, just 3 files,  you see ? remove them in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane
[19:17] <DammitJim> do you guys know if the webupd8team java ppa is down?
[19:18] <DammitJim> I'm trying to update java 8 on Ubuntu 14 and I'm getting a Not Found ERROR 404
[19:18] <newbii> ioria: done. I deleted the 3 files
[19:19] <oerheks> DammitJim, it should be there https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java?field.series_filter=trusty
[19:20] <oerheks> not sure why you want that binairy blob
[19:20] <ioria> newbii, ok,  this is  another solution but as i  said requires manual  debs install : https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=195305
[19:20] <dsuch> Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04, I wonder if anyone here uses a smartcard reader with GPG? It used to work very well but now suddenly I'm getting 'gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available' on decryption even if I can see the key without issues after gpg --card-status, i.e. the reader and card as such can be queried and it looks it is not a physical issue.
[19:20] <newbii> ioria: I deleted them but nothing happened
[19:21] <ioria> newbii, what you expected ?
[19:21] <newbii> err I just followed what you told me. I wanted to undo the "ln",
[19:22] <ioria> newbii, they are linked  files, removed, they are gone
[19:22] <newbii> was it the recipe for "unlink"? I just did not get it
[19:22] <newbii> ah ok, thanks
[19:22] <newbii> as for the manual install I am sure I can not go through it
[19:23] <ioria> newbii, in the   worst case, you can try to run precise in vm , but overkilling
[19:23] <DammitJim> oerheks, I don't see any packages?
[19:23] <newbii> thanks a lot for your time! I learned  some things meanwhile. well I can scan through windows in my laotop, maybe try WINE
[19:24] <oerheks> DammitJim, oh i do.
[19:25] <oerheks> just 1, oracle blob 8
[19:25] <ioria> newbii, i don't have an epson, so i cannot  test it
[19:25] <newbii> ioria - no prob . thanx again and i go sleep a bit )
[19:26] <ioria> newbii no problem
[19:27] <DammitJim> oerheks, what does that mean?
[19:27] <DammitJim> https://paste.debian.net/1034137/
[19:29] <oerheks> DammitJim, i think webup8 need to update their stuff, download manually https://www.java.com/nl/download/linux_manual.jsp
[19:30] <oerheks> current is jre-8u181-linux-x64.tar
[19:30] <DammitJim> is that going to break my apt stuf?
[19:30] <ryuo> No idea why openjdk won't do the job.
[19:30] <oerheks> dunno, ..
[19:30] <DammitJim> and the way Ubuntu installs it through apt?
[19:30] <DammitJim> yeah, I can't be doing that to my servers
[19:30] <oerheks> i don't care if the oracle blob breaks anything, i use openjdk.
[19:31] <oerheks> but really, xenial is at its end, i would make steps to upgrade
[19:32] <ryuo> ... Uh? If they're using it for server, it's got a lot of life left.
[19:32] <ryuo> 3 years.
[19:32] <DammitJim> at least 9 more months
[19:32] <DammitJim> all I was asking in this room was to see if someone else is having problems updating oracle java 8
[19:32] <oerheks> err trusty 14/04
[19:32] <DammitJim> so, if you aren't using that, please don't complicate things more
[19:33] <DammitJim> I know you are trying to be helpful
[19:33] <oerheks> we have no control over ppas , contact the dude
[19:33] <DammitJim> I'm not saying you have control over them
[19:33] <DammitJim> I thought maybe someone else on here uses the ppa and could test it
[19:33] <oerheks> i understand, now installing manually will not give updates
[19:33] <DammitJim> then at least it would tell me if it's my security team's issue
[19:33] <DammitJim> or something else
[19:33] <ryuo> Ultimately, this is 3rd party software. You're not likely to find support for it here.
[19:34] <DammitJim> ryuo, besides contacting webupd8team, do you know if there is a channel for that?
[19:34] <oerheks> no, the version in that ppa package is old, there has been an update, so your security team is safe, only the update is not there
[19:34] <ryuo> Doubt it.
[19:34] <oerheks> nope, just checked for a irc channel, not on freenode
[19:35] <DammitJim> thanks guys
[19:35] <DammitJim> so, what you are saying is that the package is just not there
[19:35] <ryuo> something changed on their server.
[19:35] <DammitJim> that helps a ton... I can make a comment on my project and address it accordingly
[19:35] <oerheks> DammitJim, and the manuall fix :-)
[19:35] <ryuo> You could always take their source package and make your own fixed version.
[19:36] <DammitJim> yes and yes
[19:36] <hggdh> DammitJim: per the error messages, the package is trying to download a non-existing file for Java. There is a good chance the location/version changed, and the PPA was not update
[19:36] <oerheks> current is jre-8u181-linux-x64.tar
[19:36] <DammitJim> but unfortunately at this time, that's not my thing. at least with the info you guys have helped me sort out, I can move on to other projects
[19:36] <DammitJim> thanks again!
[19:37] <ryuo> People are still using Trusty?
[19:37] <DammitJim> dude, when you have a datacenter with 100s of servers
[19:37] <DammitJim> you don't just upgrade them ;)
[19:37] <DammitJim> you have to coordinate with the different applications you are running on those servers
[19:38] <ryuo> DammitJim: Welp, have fun wihen all them servers get hacked due to missing updates. :o
[19:38] <DammitJim> but yeah, if I was the one developing those apps and had a good team of testers, I would be off of trusty
[19:38] <DammitJim> trusty is still supported through april 2019
[19:38] <oerheks> ryuo, today an update for 12.04 https://usn.ubuntu.com/3717-2/
[19:38] <ryuo> Hm.
[19:38] <DammitJim> so, that's part of the other projects I'm working on
[19:38] <ikonia> when you have 1000 servers in a datacenter, you invest in testing, automation, configuration management and DO upgrade them
[19:38] <ryuo> oerheks: weird. It shoulda been decommisioned by now.
[19:39] <ryuo> oerheks: normally it's only 5 years.
[19:39] <DammitJim> I don't have 1000 servers
[19:39] <ikonia> 100's is the same
[19:39] <oerheks> ryuo, there is a demand, embedded, so canonical provides it
[19:39] <DammitJim> LTS is always 5 years
[19:40] <oerheks> * if you pay
[19:40] <ikonia> on the server
[19:40] <ikonia> and you really don't want to be starting your migration in the last 12 months
[19:40] <qwebirc27648> Hi guys. I've got a problem here. I have msi gp62m 7rex leopard laptop. It has ubuntu 18.04 install on ssd+hdd, lvm with luks on ssd and luks on hdd mounted on /home. Graphic drivers are nvidia-390.48 (but same error with software rendering). DE is Cinnamon, Display manager is GDM3. The problem is that one day it just stopped shutting down, rebooting or suspending. Last messages while shutdown or rebooting are: https://i.imgur.c
[19:40] <ikonia> you want to be mopping up any exceptions
[19:40] <DammitJim> who said we aren't?
[19:40] <qwebirc27648> ... And when suspending: https://imgur.com/5otDEz5 . I've got bios password installed, secure boot disabled, uefi enabled. What i tried to fix the problem: 1. reinstalling the system 2. removing quite splash from /etc/default/grub 3. resetting bios settings 4. shutting down without logging in to the account 5. shutting down with systemctl, init 0, halt, poweroff. Nothing worked.
[19:40] <DammitJim> anyways... see ya'll and thanks again
[19:40] <ryuo> CentOS makes more sense usually if you need longer support windows.
[19:48] <Poster> It does go longer, which can be good if you need it, the trouble there is that the underlying software is relatively frozen for the duration of the release.  The Ubuntu LTS approach is more in the middle, meaning if you do not need newer software you can run for 5 years (or longer with extended support), BUT if you want newer software, you have the option to update every 2 years.
[19:51] <ash_worksi> is there a way to get grep -z to print each match on 1 line?
[19:52] <blackflow> Poster: the only problem being, those "dev" (non-LTS) versions are testbeds for new tech and usually very broken, and by teh time they stabilize, they EOL.
[19:53] <Poster> blackflow: yeah I was referring to jumping from LTS to LTS every 2 years, not the non-LTS for the reasons you mention
[19:53] <blackflow> LTS is really the only sane way to run things unless you want to fiddle and tinker with new stuffs and all the broken glass of it, every 9 mo
[19:53] <blackflow> Poster: ah indeed you did. For some reason I read taht as using dev releases
[20:05] <ryuo> blackflow: i think i have the strangest problem with a new laptop... the brightness keys are both mapped to the same keycode and the same scancode...
[20:05] <ryuo> i've reproduced it with multiple distributions. not sure what's causing it.
[20:05] <ryuo> i'll be reporting it when I get some time.
[20:07] <ryuo> blackflow: on the bright side I did manage to patch a minor issue with the audio LEDs not working..
[20:07] <ryuo> Ubuntu already sent it to kernel upstream.
[20:08] <blackflow> ryuo: heh on the "bright" side :)    btw, did you verify those keys with xev or something?
[20:08] <ryuo> blackflow: yes. i also tried showkey from the console. acpi_listen...
[20:08] <ryuo> both brightness keys mapped to F20, aka mic mute button.
[20:09] <blackflow> weird. maybe bios/firmware issue
[20:09] <ryuo> Possibly, or a kernel issue.
[20:09] <ryuo> I know it works on Windows.
[20:09] <ryuo> So, maybe something the kernel isn't doing.
[20:10] <ryuo> It seems to be rare. I didn't find anything like this from all my searching.
[20:10] <ryuo> Most either are only applicable to Intel laptops...
[20:10] <ryuo> Or not even similar.
[20:10] <ryuo> The backlight works, just not through the function keys.
[20:11] <ryuo> I imagine i'd have worse issues if this was using Raven Ridge.
[20:11] <ryuo> lol
[20:13] <blackflow> I don't consume laptops usually, but if I'm to get one, it'd be a Librem or a System76 machine. I really don't wanna expose myself to faulty, untested, wintel-only, brokenware.
[20:13] <ryuo> Fair enough. Those have other problems though.
[20:13] <ryuo> It can be difficult to get replacement parts.
[20:14] <blackflow> Dunno. System76 are supposedly designed grounds up for full HW support by Linux, especially Ubuntu.
[20:14] <memphisto> what replacement parts? you buy a new one
[20:14] <ryuo> I guess I'm weird. I like to repair laptops if it's pheasible.
[20:14] <memphisto> memory, hdd, cpu..standard. you can replace those
[20:15] <blackflow> Cheap-o Acers always worked for me with Linux. atheros wifis, nvidia gpus, bliss.
[20:15] <memphisto> but system76 sysboard...well you'll have to order and wait for it
[20:16] <ryuo> Thinkpads are also supposedly very Linux compatible.
[20:16] <blackflow> These days I'm looking forward to the future of Power9 and Talos thingies. Mmmmh.  I just do. they could be technically 100% compat, I'd never use one.
[20:17] <ryuo> ... ok
[20:18] <ryuo> They've kinda ruined the X series in recent years anyway.
[20:18] <ryuo> Soldered RAM?
[20:18] <ryuo> Yuck.
[20:18] <hggdh> folks, please, back on topic
[20:58] <psyk> so, judging by crazed going-nowhere threads when trying to google i915 support in ubuntu, there is no way to get this gen 3 intel graphics card to work with ubuntu?  it's 945GM, vainfo gives va_opendriver returns -1 because /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/i915_drv_video.so doesn't exist. how do i get hw accel on this little old laptit?
[20:59] <psyk> i965-va-driver package exists, i915-va-driver package does not. did you guys just decide to not support older cards anymore?!?
[21:00] <thePiGrepper> that gpu comes with which cpus? core 3rd gen??
[21:02] <psyk> core 2 duo
[21:03] <psyk> thePiGrepper,
[21:06] <psyk> so uh did you guys really just stop supporting i915 cards?!
[21:08] <compdoc> it was my decision. and ppl have to do what I say
[21:08] <nacc> psyk: on what release did hw accleration work?
[21:10] <psyk> nacc, i tried 18.*, went down to 16.*.. i don't normally use ubuntu, but since this laptop is so old, it doesn't make sense to run my usual OS - gentoo on it, plus it's 32bit, i don't want to set up a whole overlay just for it, thought i'd try ubuntu since "it should just all work".  lol. not so much. even stuff you guys used to support you just don't anymore it seems.
[21:10] <psyk> nacc, is there really no way to do this?
[21:11] <nacc> psyk: well, not sure why you blame the distro; it's probably an Xorg or kernel change.
[21:11] <psyk> lshw -C video | grep driver shows: configuration: driver=i915 latency=0.
[21:11] <nacc> psyk: so your device is supported...
[21:11] <psyk> nacc, no, the package that shold install support for this card is missing from repo
[21:11] <nacc> psyk: do you mean you don't have hw acceleration? i'm not sure the card supports vaapi, are you?
[21:11] <nacc> psyk: what package?
[21:12] <psyk> nacc, yes i am sure it supports vaapi.
[21:12] <psyk> i had gentoo running on this little machine, hardware accel was fine.  i just got tired of it taking so long to update, so i tried your little debian clone with systemd bolted to it..
[21:13] <nacc> psyk: alright, drop the attitude if you actually want help
[21:13] <psyk> nacc, the package that's missing from the repo is i915-va-driver
[21:13] <leftyfb> "your little debian clone" wow
[21:13] <nacc> psyk: no such package in ubuntu
[21:14] <leftyfb> psyk: the i915 driver package for Ubuntu is called xserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:14] <psyk> nacc, i965-va-driver exists, but that supports 965 and up - i need 945 support which exists in the i915-va-driver package.
[21:14] <nacc> psyk: again, there is *no* such package in ubuntu, even in 12.04
[21:15] <nacc> leftyfb: they want vaapi support, not x support
[21:15] <nacc> afaict, X is fine, they want acceleration
[21:16] <psyk> nacc, correct.  vainfo is giving errors i listed above.
[21:16] <psyk> nacc, glxgears reports dri is working.
[21:16] <psyk> it's vaapi that isn't
[21:16] <RDaneel01ivaw> Hi everyone, recently I installed a default installation of ubuntu 18.04, with gnome, and got everything setup and running and had no real major problems at all. However, after using it for a while, I'm starting to get extremely frustrated with the performance. Not sure if it's the gnome shell, or what else it could be... And it seems to go in waves, like right now my system is responsive and snappy. But other times, like last night, it was DOG
[21:16] <RDaneel01ivaw> SLOW. The entire system was almost unusable. My hardware is very powerful. core i7 6700, nvidia gtx 1080, 16 gigs ram, ssd main drive, etc... I was wondering if anyone had any insight into this, if it's a common thing, etc...?
[21:17] <leftyfb> nacc: i965-va-driver is part of the Universe repo in 18.04 and 16.04
[21:17] <nacc> leftyfb: i know?
[21:18] <gogeta> @RDaneel01ivaw it should be something running slowing you down
[21:18] <psyk> leftyfb, my card is i915, which isn't included in the i965.
[21:18] <nacc> leftyfb: not sure why you told me that.
[21:18] <RDaneel01ivaw> gogeta: how can I pinpoint this you think?
[21:18] <gogeta> #RDaneel01ivaw you should run htop and see what spikes
[21:18] <SatoshiRole> I'm having wireless issues on Ubuntu 16.04. It just suddenly stopped working a few days ago, probably after an update. In the network manager, you see "Ethernet" just as you would if the proprietary broadcom driver wasn't installed. I've verified it is, and even removed, and installed again. No Luck.
[21:18] <RDaneel01ivaw> also, is it recommended to use the open source X graphics driver or the nvidia one which is proprietary ?
[21:19] <RDaneel01ivaw> gogeta: good idea!
[21:20] <gogeta> #RDaneel01ivaw hold shift f then press n it should fisplay by memery
[21:21] <RDaneel01ivaw> can also use the f6 menu right?
[21:21] <gogeta> #RDaneel01ivawy yea
[21:21] <psyk> so, uhh can i install vaapi support for intel 945GM card at all in ubuntu? is this possible?
[21:21] <psyk> it has installed xserver-xorg-video-intel-hwe package, whatever hwe stands for.
[21:22] <nacc> !hwe | psyk
[21:23] <psyk> huh?
[21:23] <psyk> ok so what's ltsw
[21:23] <psyk> -w
[21:23] <leftyfb> !lts | psyk
[21:24] <psyk> look. i just have 1 simple question. can i install vaapi support for intel 945GM card at all in ubuntu? is this possible?
[21:24] <psyk> if it's not possible i will go use another distro i know can do it.
[21:24] <psyk> arch for instance will give me binary packages and i damn well know it supports this card.
[21:27] <nacc> psyk: none of us probably actually know.  Feel free to use another distro, nothing is requiring you to use Ubuntu and be aggressive here
[21:28] <leftyfb> oh wait, please don't go. Please stay and yell at all of us for not helping you exactly the way you want
[21:29] <hggdh> leftyfb: undeeded
[21:29] <hggdh> *unneeded
[21:29] <leftyfb> s/us/us volunteers/
[21:43] <Ubu-1604> question : I'm trying to install software using the sudo commands ... but I get an error snap not found ... I cannot get it to load in that ubuntu software, says 'url' not found
[21:44] <Ubu-1604> man i suck at linux ;
[21:44] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: what version of ubuntu and what is the package name?
[21:46] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: I'm trying to try out that Discord prog, I got that Mumble going just fine .. Using Ubuntu 16.04.4 and the snap/package is 'discord' ... I ran [sudo apt install snapd-xdg-open] which worked .. then [sudo snap install discord] .. error: snap "discord" not found.
[21:46] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: discord has a deb on there website
[21:47] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: you dont need to use snap
[21:47] <Ubu-1604> gogeta:  : yes I see that .. but doesn't it also say under it for 64 bit linux only? .. i'm using ubuntu 16.04-32 bit I think
[21:48] <Ubu-1604> I don't know how to install from a 'deb' either ... hehehe no idea what that is
[21:48] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: yea upgrade to 64bit 32 bit is being phased out
[21:48] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: uname -m
[21:48] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: uname? .. run that?
[21:48] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: yes, and past the result here
[21:48] <Ubu-1604> k
[21:49] <Ubu-1604> says i686
[21:49] <leftyfb> just verifying that it's 32 bit
[21:49] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: discord do not provied 32bit
[21:49] <nacc> right, even the snap is only 64-bit
[21:49] <Ubu-1604> oh
[21:49] <nacc> https://snapcraft.io/discord
[21:49] <Ubu-1604> k i'll go jump off this bridge now ;)
[21:50] <nacc> gogeta: not 'upgrade', but reinstall, to be clear (if their cpu supports 64-bit)
[21:50] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: if your pc is less then 10 years old its probly 64 bit just install the 64 bit distro
[21:51] <Ubu-1604> sounds like I would have to reinstall lots ... this computer runs just fine , I'll setup 64bit on a different box
[21:51] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep "model name"|uniq
[21:52] <Ubu-1604> it's a dell, older box lefty
[21:52] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: fair enough
[21:52] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: even if its a old core serise its 64bit
[21:52] <Ubu-1604> I got a xeon box I just put win10 on .. i'll try that discord on that
[21:52] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep "model name"|uniq
[21:53] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 240 Processor
[21:54] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: i  t is 64 bit
[21:54] <Ubu-1604> older box but Ubuntu runs realllly fast on it ... i'm really impressed actually .. Firefox runs super quick and plays HD videos quite well ... well 720p is smoothest
[21:54] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: 64bit would run better
[21:54] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: i would not run gnome 3 on that
[21:55] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: maybe lubuntu
[21:55] <Ubu-1604> I'll try this teamspeak thing then ... i didn't want to use voice chat for games though.
[21:56] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: you probly will even be faster then your currrent unity install
[21:56] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: someone said that ubuntu 17.10 also uses the Unity GUI? .. 17.04 and 18.04 do not from my understanding?
[21:57] <Velusuni> hello all if i want to allow users to have an account on my server but restrect them to be only able to view their home directory, and also have it so they can exicute programs and also use screen how would i do it
[21:57] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: yea they switched to gnome 3 but you can use diffrent pins of ubuntu
[21:57] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: like lubuntu or ubuntu mate those both run will on older hardware
[21:58] <Velusuni> this is on ubuntu server btw
[21:58] <nacc> Velusuni: uh, just take away sudo? i think that might be the default behavior
[21:58] <gogeta> nacc: umm no
[21:58] <nacc> Velusuni: oh only view their home dir? you don't want them to even be able to access /tmp?
[21:59] <Velusuni> nope
[21:59] <Velusuni> the would also need to be able to run mono
[21:59] <nacc> Velusuni: many things will break, if you restrict it so tightly, i expect
[21:59] <nacc> Velusuni: the user would have to be able to read, e.g. /usr/bin and /usr/lib in order to run programs
[22:00] <Velusuni> i mainly want to restict them to use and view there own folder i.e /home/user
[22:00] <cooloutac> hello all
[22:00] <cooloutac> does anyone know how to install flash in chromium bionic?
[22:01] <Veus_uni> not really they only need to read their own folder
[22:01] <nacc> Velusuni: then they would not be able to run screen or mono, unless you make them install it in their home directory
[22:01] <Veus_uni> they will only need to run mono and a program i.e they will only need to rune on program
[22:02] <cooloutac> is flash no longer possible?
[22:02] <Veus_uni> can it not be run by typeing it in, i.e inorder for me to run one program i just need to run mono opnesim.exe
[22:02] <gogeta> cooloutac: ?
[22:02] <nacc> Veus_uni: i think perhaps you need to read what you just wrote and think about it again
[22:03] <gogeta> cooloutac: sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[22:03] <Veus_uni> when im runing opensim i just need to be in the directory that it is in i.e /home/alan/opsnim/bin and they just type mono ./opensim.exe and it works, i dont need to go into another folder.
[22:04] <gogeta> cooloutac: thats chrome flash
[22:04] <cooloutac> ok ty i will try that
[22:04] <cooloutac> hmm unable to locate package
[22:05] <nacc> Veus_uni: and in order to do that, your user has to be able to read the mono binary, including its directory and its parent directory, etc.
[22:05] <nacc> Veus_uni: you are confusing so much in your sentence, that I don't think you should run a multi-user server.
[22:05] <cooloutac> I see something called browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash   ?
[22:05] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: so is a deb(x86) download for a 32-bit install? .. I'm going to try and install that rocket chat
[22:05] <Velusuni> sorry net issues atm
[22:06] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: yes
[22:06] <gogeta> cooloutac: no it should be pepper
[22:06] <cooloutac> its not in my repos
[22:06] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: well ok,l cause it's kinda dumb .. the SNAP store only shows for a x64 download :\
[22:06] <cooloutac> I'm on lubuntu
[22:06] <cooloutac> bionic
[22:06] <gogeta> cooloutac: it should be i see it
[22:07] <cooloutac> hmm what am I doing wrong?
[22:07] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: there is a 'deb' and 'rpm' both x86 .. which should I download .. i really don't know the difference
[22:07] <gogeta> cooloutac: do you have the partner repo enabled
[22:07] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: deb
[22:07] <cooloutac> I saw thatonline.  but I don't have it listed
[22:07] <cooloutac> didn'tknow how to enable it
[22:08] <cooloutac> I go to software and updates
[22:08] <gogeta> cooloutac: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/addremove-sources.html.en#canonical-partner
[22:09] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: thanks for helping here .. i needed to learn how to install software from a .deb file anyway .. ok got the file, now what?
[22:09] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: you should just click on it and it open a installer
[22:10] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: just extract all of it from the arachive manager?
[22:10] <gogeta> no
[22:10] <gogeta> Ubu-1604: right click on it then and install with softhere center i think
[22:11] <Ubu-1604> gogeta: yes I didn't see that .. your right and the software installer shows it :)))
[22:11] <Veus_uni> sorry net went again, and maybe see is the wrong word, basically if the user him self can not go out of his folder he can not cd out of his folder, basically something like jailroot for cpanel
[22:12] <FManTropyx> I wonder if I should abandon RHEL in favor of Ubuntu...
[22:12] <nacc> FManTropyx: well, taht's totally up to you
[22:12] <nacc> FManTropyx: although, if you're using RHEL, you're presumably paying for it and the service around it
[22:12] <Veus_uni> i was rols maybe rbash?
[22:13] <FManTropyx> nah, it's CentOS
[22:13] <nacc> FManTropyx: ok, well, that's not RHEL :)
[22:13] <gogeta> FManTropyx: its
[22:13] <gogeta> FManTropyx: thats personal prefrence
[22:13] <Veus_uni> told maybe rbash?
[22:14] <xamithan> RHEL is free for one license,  although that is kind of off-topic
[22:16] <Veus_uni> nacc, is there jailshell for ubuntu or is that just a cpanel thing?
[22:16] <nacc> Veus_uni: i don't know
[22:16] <Veus_uni> what about rbash?
[22:17] <nacc> Veus_uni: what about it?
[22:17] <scientes> how do i see all audio devices?
[22:17] <Veus_uni> would that work for me
[22:17] <scientes> cause my microphone shows up in dmesg, but not control-center?
[22:17] <nacc> Veus_uni: i don't know, did you try? did you do any research yourself?
[22:17] <nacc> Veus_uni: you may also want #ubuntu-server
[22:18] <Veus_uni> i havent tried, i havet got my server up yet, i have looked about for help but dont get much info in what im wanting
[22:18] <gogeta> Veus_uni: its linux thers not a pakcage another distro does not have
[22:18] <nacc> Veus_uni: because it doesn't seem like you've actually written down requirements, etc.
[22:19] <gogeta> Veus_uni: for the mst part
[22:19] <gogeta> most
[22:19] <cooloutac> gogeta I enabled the partners repo but I still don't see a pepperflash
[22:19] <cooloutac> something called pepper
[22:19] <gogeta> cooloutac: sudo apt-get update
[22:19] <cooloutac> yes I've done it
[22:19] <gogeta> cooloutac: sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[22:19] <cooloutac> the adobe-flashplugin was there now.  but as you suspected still not working in chromium
[22:20] <gogeta> cooloutac: just restart chrome
[22:20] <cooloutac> gogeta unable tocate package
[22:20] <nacc> you don't need partner for pepperflash, but multiverse
[22:20] <cooloutac> I don't have pepperflash in my repos
[22:20] <nacc> cooloutac: do you have multiverse enabled?
[22:20] <gogeta> cooloutac: also enable multiverse seems thats off to
[22:21] <cooloutac> ok
[22:21] <cooloutac> its enabled
[22:22] <cooloutac> i'm on lubuntu
[22:22] <cooloutac> bionic
[22:22] <nacc> cooloutac: `apt-cache policy pepperflashplugin-nonfree` in a pastebin
[22:22] <gogeta> cooloutac: dunno why they had that stuff turned off
[22:22] <gogeta> cooloutac: it should be visable now
[22:22] <cooloutac> unable to locate package
[22:23] <gogeta> ok gives up
[22:23] <nacc> cooloutac: are you on 32-bit?
[22:23] <cooloutac> yes
[22:23] <cooloutac> otherwise I'd just use chrome.
[22:23] <nacc> cooloutac: no 32-bit flash
[22:23] <cooloutac> but i guess now flashno longer 32 bit?
[22:23] <cooloutac> man....
[22:23] <cooloutac> figures
[22:23] <cooloutac> they want me to buy a new pc get my money hehe
[22:24] <nacc> or just don't use flash
[22:24] <nacc> it's dead anyways
[22:24] <cooloutac> also don't use firefox.
[22:24] <gogeta> cooloutac: lol no it should be in the repo
[22:24] <cooloutac> its designed to crash my 32 bit pc.
[22:24] <cooloutac> chromium runs like a dream though.
[22:24] <nacc> gogeta: what are you talking about?
[22:24] <nacc> i'm looking at the rmadison output, pepperflashplugin-nonfree is amd64 only
[22:24] <cooloutac> gogeta he might be right i was thinking samething too
[22:24] <nacc> cooloutac: are you on 18.04?
[22:24] <cooloutac> they want to phase me out.
[22:25] <cooloutac> its bionic
[22:25] <nacc> cooloutac: you can use 16.04 32-bit with flash
[22:25] <cooloutac> how do I see version again?
[22:25] <gogeta> cooloutac: sudo apt-get update && apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[22:25] <cooloutac> ah ok good to know.
[22:25] <nacc> gogeta: please stop. you are not integrating all the information available.
[22:25] <cooloutac> tks for the info
[22:25] <nacc> cooloutac: yw.
[22:26] <gogeta> nacc: im looking rite at the package in launchpad its in multiverse
[22:26] <nacc> gogeta: for which release?
[22:27] <nacc> gogeta: and for which architecture?
[22:27] <gogeta> oh son of a bitch
[22:27] <gogeta> cooloutac: your on 16.04
[22:28] <nacc> gogeta: no, they are on 18.04, as they just said.
[22:28] <cooloutac> it says bionic
[22:28] <cooloutac> how i check again?
[22:28] <nacc> cooloutac: lsb_release -sd
[22:28] <cooloutac> ya 18.04
[22:28] <cooloutac> is that xenial?
[22:28] <nacc> no, that's bionic.
[22:29] <gogeta> cooloutac: i think i see the issue
[22:29] <cooloutac> no I mean 16.04 is xenial?
[22:29] <gogeta> cooloutac: i dont think thers a 32 bit package
[22:29] <nacc> cooloutac: yes, 16.04 is xenial
[22:29] <cooloutac> tks
[22:29] <nacc> gogeta: ok, seriously. We know that .
[22:29] <nacc> let's move on
[22:29] <cooloutac> its ok
[22:30] <cooloutac> how long 16.04 supported for?
[22:30] <nacc> cooloutac: reguliar ubuntu 5 years; but if you're on lubuntu, i think it's only 3
[22:31] <cooloutac> oh april 2021 ok
[22:31] <cooloutac> oh I see
[22:31] <gogeta> cooloutac: its adobe-flashplugin for 32bit
[22:31] <cooloutac> ya I installed it after enabling partners repo
[22:32] <cooloutac> but chromium still notshowing flash plugin
[22:32] <gogeta> coll
[22:32] <gogeta> cooloutac: chrome should also have it built in
[22:32] <cooloutac> chrome no longer support 32bit
[22:33] <gogeta> cooloutac: then firefox
[22:34] <cooloutac> yes but firefox crashthe whole system constantly
[22:34] <cooloutac> chromium runs like dream
[22:34] <gogeta> cooloutac: you try iceweazel