[00:00] <ZykoticK9> andiolsi, FYI the above link does NOT work on Opera
[00:00] <bp0> bug 410407
[00:01] <andiolsi> ZykoticK9: hmm nevermind, checked again now its working. wasnt this afternoon
[00:01] <lucas-arg> bp0: use medibuntu repositories and install flashplugin 64bits, dont use flashplugin-nonfree
[00:02] <bp0> the actual 64bit flash doesnt work for hulu
[00:02] <bp0> for me
[00:03] <ZykoticK9> lucas-arg, what is the package name for that?  from medibuntu?
[00:03] <lucas-arg> ZykoticK9: just search in synaptic flash it will appear
[00:04] <bp0> ZykoticK9s thing seems to be working
[00:04] <bp0> thanks
[00:04] <ZykoticK9> bp0, glad to help
[00:05] <ZykoticK9> lucas-arg, i think your confused on how you installed 64bit flash - I don't think it was from Medibuntu
[00:06] <andiolsi> bp0: thats what i did, works fine: http://andiolsi.rz.uni-lueneburg.de/flash.sh.txt
[00:06] <bp0> i installed the 64bit flash from adobe, by downloading it and putting it in the plugins dir
[00:06] <bp0> but it fails on hulu
[00:07] <bp0> so i changed to the 32bit wrapped one
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> i dont even need 64bit flash for huludesktop to work. but the web site complains.
[00:08] <Brimstones> Will Lucid come with SAMBA 3.x and "passdb backend = tdbsam" enabled ?
[00:08] <andiolsi> great i cant even watch hulu stuff because i am not in the us ...
[00:08] <andiolsi> fix THAT on the client side ;)
[00:09] <bp0> need some proxy
[00:16] <DanaG> You know, if you had nspluginwrapper trying to wrap flash, and fed it the 64-bit Flash, it's no wonder it didn't work.
[00:17] <pwnguin> i seem to be missing a sound gnome-panel applet
[00:17] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. copying to a usb flash is REAL slow on one pc.. but real fast on a secondpc...
[00:17] <ZykoticK9> pwnguin, add to panel / indicator applet - if it isn't there already
[00:18] <Dr_Willis> 16MB/sec vs.. 2 :)
[00:18] <ZykoticK9> pwnguin, are you seeing a mail icon?
[00:18] <atrus> DanaG: why would that be a problem? it should be a great way to isolate firefox from flash crashes...
[00:18] <pwnguin> ZykoticK9: no
[00:18] <ZykoticK9> pwnguin, add to panel / indicator applet - if it isn't there already
[00:18] <DanaG> Yeah, but nspluginwrapper expects a 32-bit Flash.
[00:18] <Dr_Willis> theres work in firefox i see to sandbox the extensions even more.
[00:18] <DanaG> If you want crash-isolation, us the 3.6.5pre.
[00:19] <pwnguin> ZykoticK9: ah, so now i have an indicator bad and a notification area =/
[00:19] <pwnguin> indicator applet
[00:19] <ZykoticK9> pwnguin, yup - there is a way to remove just the mail icon if you don't use it BTW
[00:20] <pwnguin> maybe i should try out a guest session and see how this is supposed to glue together
[00:21] <BUGabundo> night every1. see you in a few hours
[00:22] <switchgirl> what it the package effected >> iplayer starts playing and then jumps back to the beginning
[00:22] <pwnguin> ZykoticK9: thanks for the tip
[00:22] <ZykoticK9> pwnguin, glad to help -- if you want to remove the mail icon it's "sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages"
[00:22] <pwnguin> well, maybe i'll try hooking it up to gmail or something
[00:23] <bp0> why is there indicator and notification panel applets?
[00:23] <bp0> why 2?
[00:23] <DASPRiD> hmmm "Ubuntu is an open-source alternative to Windows and Office." <-- what OS is "Office"? :>
[00:23] <ZykoticK9> pwnguin, although i didn't like it at first - i've come to find the mail icon very handy
[00:23] <switchgirl> pwnguin, careful in america hooking up means somthhing different
[00:24] <DanaG> "hooking it up" has no alternative meaning.
[00:24] <pwnguin> switchgirl: i wasn't aware i needed to be lectured about american semantics
[00:24] <DanaG> "hooking up with" a PERSON is where there's (an obvious) meaning.
[00:25] <switchgirl> pwnguin, you're closking your hostname so yeah i dunno you could be british
[00:25] <switchgirl> stupid brits comeing over here taking our land.....
[00:25] <switchgirl> lmao
[00:26] <pwnguin> #ubuntu-us-ks is a pretty big giveaway, no?
[00:27] <pwnguin> anyways
[00:27] <pwnguin> step two: i only skimmed the shuttleworth dictum on window decorations. any way to undo this left handed close button stuff?
[00:28] <ZykoticK9> !controls | pwnguin
[00:29] <pwnguin> excellent
[00:30] <pwnguin> its an interesting idea, but I really can't be having one odd man out in the synergy win-mac-ubuntu combo
[00:31] <pwnguin> even my phone places close on the right
[00:31] <DASPRiD> uhm, mac has it on the left as well
[00:31] <DASPRiD> you should make windows having them on the left now ;)
[00:31] <pwnguin> DASPRiD: heh, well, i guess thats' why its always asleep
[00:31] <pepee> bug 1
[00:31] <pwnguin> i never use it unless someone insists they're having a mac problem
[00:32] <anony> Well that's too bad. Anyone got any good, catchy titles for a 10.04 release party? #ubuntu kicked me for asking this question, btw
[00:32] <KB1JWQ> anony: I suspect it was how you asked.
[00:32] <anony> Because you know, outreach is just, too offtopic.
[00:34] <anony> "Lucid sex, digital violence" is one suggestion for a rel. party title. But the name implies a heavy emphasis on digital rights education, which will be a portion of the party, but i don't want to have to do a huge workshop.
[00:35] <pwnguin> how about "wait wait, you can change it all back!"
[00:35] <anony> Change what back? Maybe i'm not getting the humor in that one.
[00:35] <pepee> "yes, we can"
[00:35] <hector1> hey guys, anyone know good sound troubleshooting methods?
[00:36] <anony> Sound troubleshooting, eh?
[00:36] <andiolsi> do you know of any good minimalistic themes that give me a little more content for my pixels?
[00:36] <anony> what's wrong with it?
[00:36] <hector1> im having trouble with my HDA ATI SB ALC1200
[00:36] <anony> well i dunno what that is , but it's a sound card, right?
[00:36] <KB1JWQ> hector1: "Be methodical" is a good sound troubleshooting technique. :-)
[00:36] <hector1> its onboard
[00:36] <hector1> lol KB1JWQ
[00:37] <anony> Have you.. tried different headphones, in all the ports, with the volume turned all the way up?
[00:37] <pepee> hector1, what's the problem?
[00:37] <hector1> si anony
[00:37] <anony> Did it work before, with a diff OS?
[00:37] <hector1> the sound doesnt play, it shows up fine in Sound Preferences
[00:37] <DanaG> alturl?  I don't trust url-shortener services... for all I know, they could be rickrolls. =þ
[00:38] <hector1> yep, 9.10 worked and 10.04 RC doesnt anymore :(
[00:38] <pepee> ...tried "disable mute"?
[00:38] <crimsun> hector1: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh, please
[00:38] <hector1> mute nots enabled and sound is all way up, including in alsamixer
[00:39] <Jordan_U> hector1: even with "alsamixer -c 0"?
[00:39] <hector1> lemme try
[00:39] <hector1> yep
[00:39] <hector1> all raised to 100 unmuted
[00:39] <anony> try aplay -v /dev/urandom
[00:39] <crimsun> hector1: please use that script, or ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[00:42] <deanfx> Got a quick question -- anybody care to help?
[00:42] <DanaG> I wish the dang gnome volume thingy wouldn't forcibly assert the mute pin whenever volume hits zero.
[00:42] <pepee> !ask | deanfx
[00:42] <ZykoticK9> !final | deanfx
[00:43] <teage> Hi, Im running lucid and i lost my default log in screen, since i installed the rt2870 driver the default log in is now a command prompt. How can i get the default back?
[00:45] <crimsun> hector1: please ping me after you've provided the requested information
[00:46] <pepee> teage, how did you install the driver? :S
[00:46] <hector1> sure crimson
[00:46] <cjae> is there a kubuntu +1
[00:46] <teage> pepee, i installed it with ndiswrapper
[00:46] <dean_fx> I'm sorry! I got disconnected from wireless right after I sent in my question -- didn't see anybodys response... :(
[00:46] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081
[00:46] <pepee> teage, in the command prompt: sudo service gdm start
[00:46] <Brimstones> cjae: kde is for loosers.
[00:46] <teage> pepee , had to blacklist the default driver
[00:47] <teage> gdm is allready started
[00:47] <pepee> !ask | dean_fx
[00:47] <teage> pepee, gdm is already started
[00:47] <ZykoticK9> !final | dean_fx
[00:47] <cjae> gnome sucks a fat mono d*ck plus it ugly like red headed step child Brimstones
[00:47] <teage> pepee i started gdm at command prompt with startx
[00:47] <pepee> teage, ah ok
[00:48] <cjae> Brimstones: jj dont want to start a flame
[00:48] <teage> pepee but i would rather use the default log in instead of the commands
[00:48] <pepee> but it doesn't start automatically, is that your problem?
[00:48] <DanaG> cjae: watch your language there.
[00:48] <DanaG> you may have starred out... but that doesn't make it "nice".
[00:49] <h00k> cjae: That is not appropriate for this channel, keep it family friendly.
[00:49] <teage> pepee, right, and the fact that i dont get the nifty log in screen anymore. uhhh
[00:49] <pepee> teage, try reconfiguring some packages
[00:49] <pepee> or reinstall them
[00:49] <pepee> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[00:50] <teage> thanks i will try that pepee
[00:50] <pepee> teage, no error messages while booting?
[00:50] <teage> pepee, nope
[00:50] <pepee> sure? can you see the kernel messages?
[00:50] <Walzmyn> I ejected my SD card, now my system won't recoginize it when I put it back in (Kubuntu, fully updated)
[00:51] <cjae> anyone want to answer the question, aside from not giving the person who started it reprimand
[00:51] <pepee> remove "splash quiet" in grub, edit the kernel command line
[00:51] <teage> pepee, the only error i had was that it could not load the new driver, i had fixed that though, it was cause i forgot to blacklist rt2500
[00:51] <pepee> Walzmyn, try different USB ports
[00:51] <Walzmyn> cjae: no, this +1 covers the entire Cannocal universe for beta
[00:52] <Walzmyn> pepee: built in card reader
[00:52] <Brimstones> cjae: Yes, kde is like mono
[00:52] <pepee> Walzmyn, oh, no idea then
[00:52] <Walzmyn> pepee: but.... I do have a usb card reader somewhere....
[00:52] <teage> ok now will reboot and try it
[00:53] <cjae> Walzmyn: thanks
[00:54] <steelnwool> hi.
[00:54] <steelnwool> hi, i installed 10.04 on 2 500 gig sata disks, with lvm in a raid 1 config. when i boot of the second drive,it tells me "bad pbr sig"
[00:56] <greezmunkey> can someone save me som time, post the bug track url, please? tia
[00:57] <h00k> !bugs | greezmunkey
[00:57] <Random832> so... my mouse pointer setting isn't being consistently used
[00:57] <greezmunkey> heh, thanks h00k
[00:57] <steelnwool> so, i think its a grub issues, but my grub-fu is weak.
[00:58] <pepee> steelnwool, google?
[00:58] <steelnwool> pepee, tried, but have some more indepth questions.
[00:58] <Random832> anyone know how to even figure ou twhat's wrong there?
[00:58] <steelnwool> writing a forum post now with more details.
[00:58] <steelnwool> most of the references i found to my error were regarding solaris 9.... :)
[00:59] <pepee> Random832, microsoft mouse?
[00:59] <Walzmyn> Random832: i have that same bug
[00:59] <pepee> steelnwool, http://asupergeek.blogspot.com/2007/06/bad-pbr-sig.html
[00:59] <Random832> pepee: um, it's the _pointer_, what the hell does the brand of the mouse matter?
[00:59] <steelnwool> pepee: that is the exact one i read :)
[00:59] <pepee> first thing shown by google
[00:59] <pepee> ahh hehe
[01:00] <steelnwool> when 9i run grub, i get told this Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no+
[01:00] <pepee> Random832, different mouse's have different problems
[01:00] <pepee> and configurations...
[01:00] <pepee> and hardware
[01:01] <Walzmyn> pepee: well, yes then, mine's a microsoft mouse
[01:01] <Random832> but the mouse pointer has nothing to do with the mouse
[01:01] <Random832> it's got more to do with the video driver than the mouse
[01:01] <Random832> the mouse is _moving_ just fine
[01:01] <Random832> it is just a small white arrow instead of a large black/transparent/red one
[01:01] <Walzmyn> pepee: but I gotta agree with Random832. If it's the same thing what happens is you move the mouse around and click, but the click dosen't register
[01:01] <pepee> what about the mouse _driver_?
[01:02] <Random832> the mouse driver has nothing to do with the pointer either
[01:02] <Random832> all it does is control where it goes - it has nothing to do with the shape
[01:02] <Random832> can someone who actually has a clue help me?
[01:02] <steelnwool> Random832: best not to insult people that try tohelp.
[01:03] <pepee> well, if you know how it works, ask the right people...
[01:03] <greezmunkey> ?? about bug reports on launchpad...What does "triaged" mean exactly?
[01:04] <Spreadsheet_> When will Lucid Lynx be released, as of CST?
[01:04] <crimsun> Spreadsheet_: sometime on the 29th somewhere in the world
[01:04] <Walzmyn> greezmunkey: the word itself means the process of figureing out what needs the most attention - medical term for emgergencies
[01:05] <FiReSTaRT> !when
[01:05] <FiReSTaRT> !isitthereyet
[01:05] <greezmunkey> Walzmyn: I get that, so I guess I should have asked if there is a workaround if I see the word...thanks though :)
[01:05] <pepee> !lucid
[01:06] <FiReSTaRT> pepee: what's the command to notify those who ask that a little kitten gets thrown into boiling oil every time they ask? :)
[01:06] <Walzmyn> greezmunkey: oh, sorry. Lots of medical ties here, and I'm always amazed at how many people don't know that word.
[01:06] <FiReSTaRT> pepee: i remember something like that from the karmic launch
[01:06] <greezmunkey> Walzmyn: Now that I look a bit further, it just means that it is being worked on...
[01:06] <pepee> no idea
[01:07] <pepee> FiReSTaRT, google? xD
[01:09] <Walzmyn> FiReSTaRT: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo +1
[01:10] <steelnwool> pepee http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9179173#post9179173
[01:10] <greezmunkey> WHat is the consensus regarding plymouth, remove it?
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> greezmunkey: i do
[01:10] <FiReSTaRT> thanks Walzmyn.. looking through them :)
[01:10] <Spreadsheet_> If I remember correctly it will be released when it is 29 April on this one island
[01:10] <Spreadsheet_> Pitcairn?
[01:10] <pepee> it's near to imposible to remove plymouth lol
[01:11] <Walzmyn> what is plymouth?
[01:11] <pepee> steelnwool, do you use tab to autocomplete in grub?
[01:11] <greezmunkey> I know there was a lot of chatter about removing it a while back.
[01:11] <Spreadsheet_> Ok, it's Baker and Howland island
[01:12] <steelnwool> prprr, no.
[01:12] <steelnwool> er pepee :)
[01:12] <steelnwool> not used to this sun keyboard.
[01:12] <pepee> hehe
[01:13] <hector1> hi crimsun
[01:13] <pepee> steelnwool, you can use tab in xchat, too ;)
[01:13] <steelnwool> oh i know.
[01:13] <steelnwool> pepee comes out pretty fast.
[01:13] <steelnwool> zing.
[01:14] <steelnwool> i'm also lagged, uploading oracle to a VM, killing my home connection.
[01:14] <crimsun> hector1: ja?
[01:14] <hector1> yep
[01:14] <FiReSTaRT> looks like it was a temporary factoid.. i wonder what they'll come up with when people REALLY start being pests with "is it there yet dad" :P
[01:15] <pepee> steelnwool, well, the problem is: those files don't exists :P
[01:16] <crimsun> hector1: what did you ping me for? Do you have the info ready?
[01:16] <pepee> try changing some things: /dev/sdb
[01:16] <hector1> yes i do
[01:16] <crimsun> hector1: what's the url?
[01:16] <hector1> i just wanted to go through the script first before i ran it
[01:16] <pepee> (hd1,1), etc...
[01:17] <hector1> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=610d1074ebce342c91c0f5290280a1004e7e2167
[01:18] <wastrel> imma install 10.04 on a sun workstation tomorrow
[01:19] <GSF1200S> anyone know if its possible to change the sys tray applet for rhythmbox in 10.04? I realize this is a picky question, but I hate the behavior they changed it to (versus on 9.10)
[01:19] <GSF1200S> I dont understand what changed- I had 0.12.8 installed on karmic and the systray applet behaves differently than 0.12.8 on lucid
[01:20] <crdlb> GSF1200S: it's no longer in the "systray"
[01:21] <GSF1200S> crdlb, hmmm. I should be more specific- apologies. Im running xfce, so it is for me
[01:21] <GSF1200S> is it just a plugin that perhaps I can change?
[01:22] <crdlb> what do you mean by "change"?
[01:22] <steelnwool> pepee: that won't magically cause stage1 file to exist tho.
[01:22] <steelnwool> i'm gonna install 9.10 and see what that gest me.
[01:22] <Random833> how do i stop the lid closing from turning off the display?
[01:23] <crdlb> GSF1200S: ubuntu patched the plugin, so it's probably not easy to revert the behavior
[01:23] <Walzmyn> Random832: gnome or Kde?
[01:23] <crdlb> Random832: so that you can use an external monitor?
[01:23] <GSF1200S> crdlb, hmmm... ok.. I could perhaps install rhythmbox from a karmic repo that has 0.12.8.. thanks for the info- I understand why now- thanks
[01:24] <pepee> steelnwool, ahh, if I were you, I'd just play with grub :)
[01:24] <greezmunkey> I think I may have a problem, I ran the upgrade last night, now update manager is telling I need to do a partial upgrade. I'll admit boofing the upgrade by running it from within gnome.
[01:25] <steelnwool> pepee: yeah, well, its just a testing machine at this point. so i'm gonna try the sane route before learning grub.
[01:25] <underdev> playing with grub2 is playing with fire
[01:25] <pepee> s/play/game/ ? english is not my native language
[01:25] <underdev> you know, if you value your os install :)
[01:25] <Random832> crdlb: no - turning the display off puts the video card in a messed up state where it keeps flashing until i reboot
[01:26] <steelnwool> pepee - experiment.
[01:26] <Random832> so i need to leave it on all the time
[01:26] <steelnwool> underdev:  i don't. :) this isn't production.
[01:26] <underdev> right on
[01:26] <pepee> steelnwool, thanks
[01:26] <Random832> why isn't there an option in power settings to do nothing when closing the lid
[01:26] <steelnwool> nor would i run lucid on anything i care about.
[01:26] <steelnwool> Random832: cause its a X.org thing, not a power thing.
[01:27] <Random832> steelnwool: then why list it at all?
[01:27] <Random832> since it _does_ have a lid clsing setting
[01:27] <Random832> it just doesn't have doing nothing as an option
[01:27] <pepee> underdev, I value my OS, but I love to experiment/test things
[01:28] <steelnwool> Random832: i don't know the choices as to "why" :)
[01:28] <underdev> pepee: me too, and have SUFFERED for it :)
[01:28] <crimsun> hector1: looking now
[01:28] <pepee> indeed, I formatted just 2 or 3 times since, 6.10?, don't remember
[01:28] <hector1> crimsun: thanks :)
[01:29] <pepee> underdev, well, 4 mobo, all with some problems, I've learned the harddest way
[01:29] <crdlb> Random832: as far as gnome-power-manager is concerned "blank screen" _is_ "do nothing" (afaik)
[01:31] <crimsun> hector1: does the following command give you sound?  speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav -Dplughw:SB
[01:33] <tntc> Anyone else having a fan problem on the RadeonHD 4570 where the fan kicks on and stays on because the card is getting hot?
[01:34] <greezmunkey> Would someone check this error pop, is it something I need to worry about? http://imagebin.org/94575
[01:35] <ChogyDan> greezmunkey: no, just do the partial
[01:35] <ZykoticK9> greezmunkey, do NOT do partial upgrades!  It's not a good idea, you can use "sudo aptitiude safe-upgrade"
[01:36] <ChogyDan> hehehe, nvm!
[01:36] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: ZykoticK9 I ran the 10.04 lts update last night, this is what I get when I run synaptic now, that's all.
[01:36] <ZykoticK9> greezmunkey, partial upgrades can lead to removed packages and/or broken system
[01:37] <greezmunkey> ZykoticK9: I bow to your ubuntu-fu...thanks :)
[01:37] <ZykoticK9> greezmunkey, i've always been an apt-get man myself, until I tried a development release, now i see the need for "aptitude safe-upgrade"
[01:38] <greezmunkey> ZykoticK9: Is that something I can do within gnome?
[01:38] <arand> greezmunkey: run the "aptitude safe-upgrade" and then check which one's are held back...
[01:38] <ZykoticK9> greezmunkey, ya just run from a terminal
[01:38] <greezmunkey> arand: excellent idea
[01:38] <greezmunkey> ZykoticK9: doing it now, thanks guys :)
[01:39] <Laibsch> My HD is completely encrypted (used the installer for that).  grub2 does not show at startup and so I always boot into the default.  I'm not familiar with grub2 anymore and would like to know how to get the graphical chooser I remember from grub-legacy.
[01:39] <arand> greezmunkey: then run an "aptitude full-upgrade" BUT DON'T apply it before you have checked thouroughly what it is trying to do, if it is removing something, be very careful and make sure the removal is appropriate
[01:40] <crimsun> Laibsch: hold down Shift
[01:41] <Laibsch> second question if I may: I'd like to know what bluetooth level the USB dongle I bought about half a year ago supports.  (1.2, 1.1, ...)
[01:41] <Laibsch> crimsun: thanks
[01:41] <Laibsch> Can I set that to show everytime?
[01:41] <epimeth> aloha people
[01:41] <greezmunkey> Wow, that safe-upgrade is pretty cool - ran through dependancies, and all - nice (thanks again)
[01:42] <Laibsch> syslog shows "Apr 27 09:29:15 localhost kernel: [  611.124600] Bluetooth: HIDP (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.2", does that mean I have a 1.2 compliant device?
[01:42] <epimeth> I upgraded from the beta earlier today and firefox is asking for authentication to localhost:55743
[01:42] <epimeth> whats up with that?
[01:46] <greezmunkey> I should have mentioned that my system restarted about half way through the upgrade last night!
[01:46] <lufte> isitout
[01:47] <ZykoticK9> !isitout
[01:47] <ChogyDan> greezmunkey: yeah.  But is your system fixed?
[01:48] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: the safe-upgrade is chugging away, ok so far :)
[01:48] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: It came up ok last night, but I could tell something wasn't quite right.
[01:49] <ChogyDan> greezmunkey: ironically, if you were using the upgrade-manger to do the upgrade, then it may have been safer to do that partial upgrade  :(
[01:50] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: yikes, don't tell me that- It's ok though, if it breaks, I have a md5summed cd right here. I can reformat and be up and running again in 2 hours.
[01:51] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: my /home is on a seperate hdd
[01:51] <sinistrad> I'm having a minor problem with the login screen. My mouse cursor does not appear until I actually pick a user and enter a password. After that, I only see the X cursor until gnome comes up. Any clues to help me troubleshoot this?
[01:52] <ChogyDan> greezmunkey: you will be fine.  dependency issues are fairly easy to fix.  I always just do a task install of ubuntu-desktop to clean up myself.  /home of course makes it easier
[01:53] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: task install? I am not familiar wiht that phrase.
[01:54] <chorse> greezmunkey: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop (ubuntu-desktop is not a single package but a "task" which depends on and installs other packages)
[01:54] <ChogyDan> greezmunkey: see tasksel
[01:54] <greezmunkey> ChogyDan: chorse excellent info, made a note of it - thaks
[01:55] <greezmunkey> as/thaks/thanks
[01:55] <epimeth> I upgraded from the beta earlier today and firefox is asking for authentication to localhost:55743... whats up with that?
[02:00] <greezmunkey> foomatic :) heh
[02:08] <greezmunkey> whoa, things are starting to change in gnome...
[02:09] <JohnFlux> greezmunkey: hmm?
[02:09] <greezmunkey> JohnFlux: yeah, my FF panel icon changed to a gray square...wierd.
[02:25] <RegressLess> 56 0.
[02:25] <RegressLess> .
[02:26] <RegressLess> -+
[02:26] <Pici> I see.
[02:27] <RegressLess> sorry bout that, my wife attacked my laptop with a rag
[02:27] <sinistrad> lol
[02:28] <KB1JWQ> RegressLess: WIFE LIKE TYPING DETECTED!
[02:28] <greezmunkey> mine knows better than to point a rat tail at me :)
[02:30] <sinistrad> and mine is scared of whatever might be growing on my kb
[02:31] <RegressLess> my wife's the shiznit
[02:31] <RegressLess> when she's happy
[02:31] <sinistrad> everyone is =)
[02:32] <underdev> sounds pretty universal to me re:wives
[02:32] <sinistrad> I'm having a minor problem with the login screen. My mouse cursor does not appear until I actually pick a user and enter a password. After that, I only see the X cursor until gnome comes up. Any clues to help me troubleshoot this?
[02:32] <revcompgeek> I am unable to enable graphics acceleration with my Radeon 9200 card, and I used to be able to
[02:33] <crdlb> revcompgeek: how have you determined that you have no acceleration?
[02:33] <revcompgeek> running "compiz --replace" tells me that it detected a software rasterizer, but i don't know how to make it use the graphics card
[02:33] <crdlb> oh :)
[02:33] <revcompgeek> Appearance prefs also tells me none :P
[02:33] <Vigo> Any idea or input as to why the NetworkManager Applet says eth2 and not eth0?
[02:33] <_pHI_> hmm, will ubuntu 10.04 include 2.6.32 or 2.6.33?? i'm a bit confused because this website: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html lists 2.6.33-500.6 as a kernel for lucid lynx but i was convinced it would come with .32
[02:33] <crdlb> revcompgeek: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:33] <sinistrad> revcompgeek, does glxinfo tell you anything?
[02:34] <CarlFK> just did an install of b2.  at the end, it ejected the cd, but I think it did it before it had unmounted it, because my screen filled with "sector read error 1234..." is this a known problem?
[02:34] <crdlb> _pHI_: lucid has 2.6.32
[02:34] <revcompgeek> glxinfo says i have direct rendering, which i don't think it did a few days ago
[02:34] <revcompgeek> pastebinning... brb
[02:34] <_pHI_> crdlb: is that list only for kernels that i can get from kernel-ppa?
[02:35] <rww> _pHI_: It comes with 2.6.32. I believe the 2.6.33 stuff on there might be part of the plans to optionally backport new kernels to Lucid.
[02:35] <_pHI_> i.e. i would read the entry "2.6.33-500.6" as: kernel-ppa includes 2.6.33 vanilla with ubuntu patches?
[02:35] <Volkodav> anybody tested TRIM performance in supported SSDs ?
[02:35] <_pHI_> Volkodav: .32 doesn't do trim
[02:35] <_pHI_> that's the sad part
[02:36] <revcompgeek> the log doesn't seem to show anything that i notice right off
[02:36] <Volkodav> I am on 34rc5
[02:36] <_pHI_> was trim support ever backported into the ubuntu 10.04 .32 kernel?
[02:36] <crdlb> revcompgeek: due to the aforementioned software rasterizer, direct rendering basically always says 'yes'
[02:36] <ghassen_> hi there i tried to test out 10.04 on a VM , but it didn't work!!!!!!!!!
[02:37] <revcompgeek> crdlb, oh, thats right... thanks
[02:37] <revcompgeek> http://pastebin.com/XpPd2sL0
[02:37] <Volkodav> The sad part is that does not seem to work on supported
[02:37] <underdev> ghassen_: did you try the alternative version?  that's what i had to use to get it running in virtualbox
[02:38] <_pHI_> Volkodav: it worked for me when i tried ubuntu 10.04 RC with the updated .33-2 kernel from kernel-ppa
[02:38] <crdlb> revcompgeek: line ~710
[02:38] <Volkodav> _pHI_: How did you test ?
[02:38] <Volkodav> I have 33 installed as well
[02:38] <mininessie> i'm surprised 10.04 isn't going to use kernel 2.6.33-2
[02:38] <revcompgeek> crdlb, oh that's weird
[02:39] <_pHI_> Volkodav: there was something in the forums...
[02:39] <revcompgeek> agpgart needs to load first
[02:39] <Volkodav> I only jump to a newer kernel for a feature or driver I may need
[02:39] <revcompgeek> hmm, i remember that from before
[02:40] <Volkodav> _pHI_: I did this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-812509-highlight-ssd+trim.html
[02:40] <mininessie> why is't 2.6.33 not the standard kernel for 10.04
[02:40] <_pHI_> Volkodav: yea! i did this test to check for 0s
[02:40] <_pHI_> and it did exactly do that for me
[02:40] <_pHI_> i also had to change in /etc/fstab
[02:41] <_pHI_> to boot with the TRIM parameter
[02:41] <arand> mininessie: the 32 kernel is used by several other "long term" distros I think, including rhel.
[02:41] <_pHI_> (discard)
[02:41] <Volkodav> _pHI_: you mean the discard option on ext4 ?
[02:41] <_pHI_> yes
[02:41] <mininessie> arand, well what are they waiting for really
[02:41] <wick94> hey guys
[02:41] <wick94> i have a guestion abt the me menu
[02:41] <Volkodav> What drive do you have _pHI_
[02:42] <_pHI_> intel 80gb x-25
[02:42] <wick94> on me menu, if u have to post a status, do u have to open up gwibber to select the accounts tht u wanna post to or can u jst clik on ur name in the panel
[02:42] <ChogyDan> the 32 kernel is also a long term support kernel from the kernel folks
[02:42] <Volkodav> Can you paste me the hdparm -I /dev/sdX please ?
[02:42] <_pHI_> ChogyDan: is there a way to find out if trim support has been/will be backported from .33 to .32? afaik, it arrived one day after the .32 release ;P
[02:43] <arand> mininessie: stability and supportability is their main concern, features are less of a concern, if there are serious bugs, report them and they should be fixed...
[02:43] <_pHI_> Volkodav: i'm on a different computer now ;(
[02:43] <wick94> guys, on me menu, if u have to post a status, do u have to open up gwibber to select the accounts tht u wanna post to or can u jst clik on ur name in the panel
[02:43] <ChogyDan> _pHI_: I dunno.  you might be able to search the changelog
[02:44] <sinistrad> Plus, they do a kernel freeze so they can stabilize everything else. Probably soon thereafter the release, I would imagine they'll have .33+ coming
[02:44] <crdlb> revcompgeek: this is a shot in the dark, but run lsmod | grep edac
[02:44] <Volkodav> _pHI_: what makes me believe that it has to do with the drive that in my output it came as  *	Data Set Management indeterminate TRIM supported
[02:44] <revcompgeek> crdlb,
[02:45] <revcompgeek> crdlb, nothing
[02:45] <Volkodav> I inquired with Kingston of their definition of indeterminate
[02:45] <Volkodav> _pHI_: it's good I hear that test actually works
[02:45] <crdlb> revcompgeek: ok, I just recalled an old bug where an edac module would break agp
[02:46] <_pHI_> Volkodav: yea, it did with the .33-2-lucid kernel but not the stock one that comes with 10.04 RC
[02:46] <_pHI_> sadly
[02:48] <revcompgeek> crdlb: i've been looking online, and they suggest reloading radeon with modeset=1, but when i do that the screen blacks out
[02:48] <revcompgeek> crdlb: i was able to get back by switching to VT1 and back
[02:48] <revcompgeek> and i noticed that agpgart-nvidia loading was one of the last messages on the VT
[02:49] <revcompgeek> i think the sound card is Nvidia Nforce, so that is what it is running i think
[02:49] <Volkodav> _pHI_: yes you mentioned that before - any kernel from .33 up should do it so I may as well test 34
[02:50] <terabreaker> Hello! does anyone have Limewire installed on The Kubuntu LTS?
[02:51] <revcompgeek> uh, is there a reason why /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf would have "options radeon modeset=0"? shouldn't that be =1? or blank?
[02:51] <crdlb> revcompgeek: KMS is enabled by default
[02:52] <revcompgeek> but modeset=0 would turn that off right?
[02:53] <crdlb> yes
[02:54] <revcompgeek> i'm going to remove that file and try to restart,, just as a hunch
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> woot - got apt-cacher-ng going. :) that will save me some time/space...
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Bye all.
[02:56] <crdlb> revcompgeek: afaik, that file can only exist if you put it there
[02:57] <revcompgeek> yeah i think i must have done that at some point, i kinda remember doing that
[02:57] <revcompgeek> i don't quite remember why though
[02:58] <MotherMGA1> hi, I've just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 and I have two problems:
[02:58] <MotherMGA1> first, my touchpad is working, but scrolling via the side bar does not.  Any suggestions?
[02:59] <B`L`U`E> i am stuck on upgrade any help ?
[02:59] <revcompgeek> System -> Preferences -> Mouse -> Touchpad
[02:59] <MotherMGA1> revcomgeek: yes, I'm aware of that. I checked settings and they are enabled.
[03:00] <revcompgeek> you could try turning them off and on again, but that is the extent of my knowledge :P
[03:00] <MotherMGA1> yeah, tried that. :/
[03:00] <revcompgeek> bye
[03:01] <B`L`U`E> i am stuck on upgrade any help ?
[03:01] <MotherMGA1> second is: my sound does not work.  Everything looks like it works, but nothing plays.  I'm using a sony vaio E series laptop with mobility radeon HD sound
[03:01] <terabreaker> Does Limewire work on 10.04?
[03:02] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: what do you mean stuck?
[03:03] <B`L`U`E> well it is installing the upgrade
[03:03] <Dimmuxx> the closer to final release lucid comes the more unstable it becomes on one of my computers :/
[03:03] <B`L`U`E> and is stuck on
[03:03] <Dimmuxx> more or less daily freezes now and nothing useful in any logs
[03:04] <B`L`U`E> Found linux something
[03:04] <B`L`U`E> on terminal
[03:04] <ZykoticK9> terabreaker, LireWire 5.5 is working here on Ubuntu 64bit
[03:04] <B`L`U`E> preparing memtest 86 +
[03:04] <B`L`U`E> 15 mins left
[03:04] <B`L`U`E> have been there for a hour thought
[03:05] <ChogyDan> B`L`U`E: are you able to login at all?
[03:05] <terabreaker> ZykoticK9 what about on Kubuntu 10.04 32bit?
[03:05] <B`L`U`E> i am in ubunto yeah
[03:05] <B`L`U`E> its through update manager
[03:05] <ZykoticK9> terabreaker, no idea - haven't used KDE in years
[03:05] <ChogyDan> B`L`U`E: I thought you were memtesting
[03:06] <terabreaker> ZykoticK9, Okay thanks =]
[03:06] <greezmunkey> Safe-upgrade still working, and came across this: http://imagebin.org/94588 - I'm thinking I should keep my current config - Right now I can't think of any reason why this would be anything other than default though...
[03:06] <B`L`U`E> well its memtesting thorught distribution upgrade
[03:07] <binary0011> hey all!
[03:07] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: did it get through downloading/installing and reboot the computer?
[03:07] <B`L`U`E> it went through downloading
[03:07] <binary0011> Just wondering what the difference is between the lucid dvd or the standard cd-rom image?
[03:07] <B`L`U`E> stuck on installing
[03:07] <B`L`U`E> any way i can cancel and start again ?
[03:08] <binary0011> I'm sure I can just install the packages later eh
[03:08] <B`L`U`E> bcuz if i restart i am sure ill have problems
[03:08] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: if you restart you'll be stuck in command line, are you comfortable with that?
[03:08] <B`L`U`E> nah
[03:08] <B`L`U`E> :S
[03:09] <B`L`U`E> just shifted from windows new to linux
[03:09] <binary0011> I could just install the packages from the lucid DVD later eh
[03:09] <Walzmyn> I had to do that for the upgrade. Other option is waiting until tomorrow, getting the release and installing from that
[03:09] <B`L`U`E> any thing i can do here  ?
[03:09] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: none that I know of, some of the wizards here might tell you different
[03:10] <B`L`U`E> hmmm ;/
[03:10] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: are you chatting from a different computer?
[03:10] <B`L`U`E> no same
[03:11] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: oh, then you've still got control of the machine?
[03:11] <B`L`U`E> yah
[03:11] <B`L`U`E> i do
[03:12] <B`L`U`E> can i cancel this distribution upgrade and start again ?
[03:12] <B`L`U`E> bcuz i cant see any cancel button on it
[03:12] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: i wouldn't start again. just try to stop it
[03:12] <B`L`U`E> well how :S
[03:13] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: hit ctr+esc
[03:13] <ChogyDan> B`L`U`E: is this from karmic to lucid?
[03:13] <B`L`U`E> ubunto 9.10
[03:13] <B`L`U`E> ctrl  + esc dosent work here ;/
[03:14] <DanaG> B`L`U`E: holy mackerel, your nickname takes up a lot of space.  Somehow seems even wider than actually longer names.
[03:14] <B`L`U`E> lol ;p
[03:14] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: i assumn you're using Gnome? I'm a KDE man, so I'm a little out there
[03:14] <B`L`U`E> yeah :S
[03:14] <Walzmyn> B`L`U`E: yeah, and it's hard to type
[03:14] <B`L`U`E> lol sorry :P
[03:15] <chorse> irssi supports typing "blue<tab>"
[03:16] <crdlb> it does?
[03:16] <crdlb> oh, he already left :)
[03:17] <chorse> crdlb: yes, maybe other clients do as well, i don't know
[03:17] <crdlb> don't mind me; I tried after he left the channel
[03:20] <greezmunkey> restart required...brb
[03:21] <pepee> in xchat you can do B`<tab>
[03:24] <terabreaker> Hay, can some one help me with this problem I'm having problems installing Limewire but I can't get around these dependency errors and its says there not satisfiable. And the package are "sun-java6-jre|icedtea-java7-jre|sun-java6-jdk|icedtea-java7-jdk" Does anyone else get this error?
[03:26] <rww> terabreaker: Sun Java got moved to Canonical's Partner repository, you should add that and try again.
[03:26] <rww> do we not have a factoid about this yet o_O
[03:29] <terabreaker> OMG That worked Thank you so much Rww =D
[03:29] <rww> terabreaker: glad I could help :)
[03:29] <greezmunkey> would someone take a look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/423125/ I am a little confused as to how to proceed...
[03:29] <Gokul> Hi
[03:29] <IdleOne> rww: submit a edit for the java factoid
[03:30] <Gokul> i am unable to find md5sum of ubuntu lucid RC alternate ... I have found the hash, but with what to compare ???
[03:30] <IdleOne> rww: it is still in multiverse for karmic?
[03:30] <rww> IdleOne: yes
[03:30] <IdleOne> rww: ok so maybe adding to instead of replacing completely
[03:30] <rww> Gokul: do you mean you found the hash of the file on your computer, or the hash on the website?
[03:31] <rww> IdleOne: yeah, the edit I just did should be fine
[03:31] <pepee> Gokul, search for the md5sums in the website
[03:31] <greezmunkey> MD5SUMS: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/MD5SUMS
[03:31] <IdleOne> rww: I fail at sed. ok cool
[03:31] <pepee> !sums
[03:31] <pepee> !md5sum
[03:31] <Gokul> rww, pepee https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes this page doesnt have the hash for lucid
[03:32] <Gokul> rww, pepee i used a script to find md5 of the downlaoded alternate iso .. but with WHAT to compare ?
[03:32] <greezmunkey> MD5SUMS: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/MD5SUMS
[03:32] <rww> Gokul: see the link greezmunkey gave you
[03:32] <pepee> Gokul, ↑↑↑↑
[03:32] <greezmunkey> rww: I got that one here yesterday, credit where it's due...
[03:32] <rww> Gokul: in general, you can find md5sums in the MD5SUMS file in the same directory you downloaded from, for any Ubuntu ISO. UbuntuHashes just collects them all together.
[03:33] <Gokul> rww, thanks.
[03:33] <Gokul> greezmunkey, thanks
[03:33] <greezmunkey> np
[03:34] <Gokul> greezmunkey, rww  md5sum matches.   i am going to do fresh install!
[03:34] <Gokul> bye
[03:34] <rww> o/
[03:34] <rww> good luck!
[03:34] <litropy> After enabling auto-login, my keyring is inaccessible. Other Lucid users have the same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9179708&posted=1
[03:36] <c0vert> crdlb, not in the compiz channels anymore?
[03:36] <litropy> rebooting, will be back
[03:37] <daftykins> hmm, ok i'm googling around but can't find a plain and clear method of installing the proprietary nvidia-driver under lucid in a live environment to fiddle, am i missing something?
[03:37] <greezmunkey> so, it appears that the issue I posted earlier regarding evince is nothing new, :)
[03:38] <kklimonda> daftykins: you can't do that - installing nvidia drivers requires restarting system and livecd doesn't save state between restarts
[03:39] <daftykins> kklimonda: i was hoping i could just kill X and restart with an appropriate xorg.conf
[03:39] <litropy> everything is fine now
[03:40] <daftykins> i've just tried via a few methods, with "nvidia-current" installed it generated a module and what not, but said it wasn't present when i tried to "modprobe" it
[03:40] <ZykoticK9> daftykins, there is also a kernel module you need to consider - thus the required reboot
[03:40] <litropy> I enabled/disabled/enabled auto-login, and now I'm authing fine
[03:40] <litropy> seeya peeps; thanks for all the good work
[03:40] <kklimonda> daftykins: you would have to make sure that nouveau isn't loaded at boot time then
[03:40] <daftykins> ZykoticK9: i've been able to do this in a live environment with karmic before, is a reboot doing something with nouveau that i'm missing out on?
[03:40] <daftykins> aaah i see
[03:41] <daftykins> that'll be why it errors saying 'inserting... no such device'
[03:41] <ZykoticK9> daftykins, wow - i'd never thought it would be possible from a LiveCD, good to know thanks.  Hope you get it working with Lucid as well - good luck man.
[03:42] <daftykins> ZykoticK9: i always used to add the nvidia vdpau PPA one of the guys in here maintains (on karmic i mean) then reinstall, stop X, run "nvidia-xconfig" to generate the xorg.conf then start X again, hey presto a working nvidia powered session would start :)
[03:42] <daftykins> now it seems once again this is impossible, but that's no biggy, just less useful for testing
[03:43] <daftykins> kklimonda: thanks for your assistance
[03:43] <daftykins> granted i'm a newbie, but this seems like 1 step forward with nouveau and 2 back with nvidia proprietary :(
[03:45] <DanaG> daftykins: if you want nouveau to not load, you can try passing nouveau.noload=1 (noload is not a valid parameter for nouveau, so nouveau will abort).
[03:45] <DanaG> And from there, you should get a VESA session -- so you can install nvidia binary and zap xorg.
[03:46] <daftykins> DanaG: i take it i'd need a non-standard desktop image on my flash drive to be able to modify that at boot time?
[03:46] <JoeSomebody> good way to try beta is from usb stick with unetbootin? or is there a better way?
[03:46] <JoeSomebody> oh, HI!
[03:46] <rww> JoeSomebody: do you have an Ubuntu installation already?
[03:46] <daftykins> JoeSomebody: actually we're at release candidate now
[03:47] <DanaG> If you press a key during the splash screen, it'll give you the old "f6 for keyboard layout" thingy.
[03:47] <JoeSomebody> i have a system with 9.10
[03:47] <DanaG> Somewhere you can press f9 (I think) to set any options you want.
[03:47] <JoeSomebody> i have another box to mess with
[03:47] <rww> JoeSomebody: I'd try usb-creator first (System -> Administration -> Create Startup Disk or something), and unetbootin if that doesn't work.
[03:48] <JoeSomebody> usb-creator? didnt know about that
[03:49] <daftykins> DanaG: thanks for the tip, i'll give it a go tomorrow :)
[03:50] <Zelozelos> ive been wondering-since your talkin about a usb boot, how do i get my machine to boot from usb if i dont have the option durring my bios startup (i hit f12 durring boot to manually select a boot option)
[03:50] <LinuxGuy2009> I have netbook-remix on the Dell Mini and the top panel disapears randomly and windows start being drawn behind the wallpaper, but tooltips stay on top. hehe Anyone else had this? I made a bug report, just was curious.
[03:50] <thiemster> Zelozelos: use PLoP Linux
[03:50] <thiemster> Zelozelos: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
[03:51] <Zelozelos> thank you thiemster
[03:51] <thiemster> Zelozelos: No problem. with this method, you need to boot from the plop cd, but that only takes a few seconds. And then it is very straightforward from there
[03:52] <thiemster> Zelozelos: and it works as long as the computer can at least boot from a CD, which 99% of them seem to be able to these days
[03:52] <greezmunkey> Thanks to everyone that helped, other than the evince dependancy issues it looks like everything worked :)
[03:52] <Zelozelos> can i use the cd on any system, what im thinking about is a "take along os"
[03:52] <thiemster> Zelozelos: as far as I know, yes. Look at the website though
[03:52] <greezmunkey> g'night
[03:52] <Zelozelos> i will thank you again ;)
[03:55] <sinistrad> I'm having a minor problem with the login screen. My mouse cursor does not appear until I actually pick a user and enter a password. After that, I only see the X cursor until gnome comes up. Any clues to help me troubleshoot this?
[03:56] <JohnFlux> haha, I did:
[03:56] <JohnFlux> apt-get upgrade
[03:57] <JohnFlux> and it said "command-not-found"
[03:57] <JohnFlux> I did a double take until I realised that that was the program is was upgrading..
[03:58] <Zelozelos> sinistrad sounds like theres a program in error, try this open a terminal and type metacity --replace and see if the cursor re-appears
[03:58] <ZykoticK9> JohnFlux, when you type a command in terminal that isn't installed and it suggests the packages to install - that's the command-not-found working :)
[03:58] <JohnFlux> ZykoticK9: yeah, since I often ctrl+c that and so get a backtrace in command not found.. :-)D
[03:58] <Salva1> hello.
[03:59] <Salva1> Can I upgrade to 10.04?
[03:59] <Salva1> Are the repositories with the fila packages?
[03:59] <Salva1> *Final.
[03:59] <Zelozelos> Salva1, heard many horror stories about upgrading ,i suggest a full install from disk
[04:00] <alpharesearch_> Is it possible to enable the shutdown time in 10.04 again?
[04:01] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, OK, I had to restart metacity after the upgrade, because window decorations were not there. I had to also re-install compiz as well, but that was weeks ago
[04:01] <sinistrad> dangit...missed him
[04:02] <trism> alpharesearch_: add the shutdown applet, it has a 60 second timer before automatically shutting down
[04:02] <trism> alpharesearch_: or you can remove the indicator applet session, and it will add the shutdown menu option back to the System menu, which works the same as the applet
[04:03] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, OK, I had to restart metacity after the upgrade, because window decorations were not there. I had to also re-install compiz as well, but that was weeks ago
[04:03] <Zelozelos> sinistrad, do you still see the x instead of your cursor?
[04:03] <pepee> Salva1, yep, you can
[04:04] <Laibsch> I'd like to know what bluetooth level the USB dongle I bought about half a year ago supports.  (1.2, 1.1, ...)
[04:04] <Laibsch> syslog shows "Apr 27 09:29:15 localhost kernel: [  611.124600] Bluetooth: HIDP (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.2", does that mean I have a 1.2 compliant device?
[04:04] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, no, it dissappears after the desktop comes up.  Metacity isn't installed. I'm thinking something else takes care of that now
[04:04] <pepee> Salva1, and nope, lucid is RC
[04:04] <alpharesearch_> thanks trism, I added the applet
[04:05] <Zelozelos> sinistrad, the only 2 pgs i know of is metacity and compiz, but i did hear of smthn else cant remember its name though
[04:05] <Salva1> Does Lucid still has support for Firefox 3.5?
[04:05] <sinistrad> I have compiz
[04:05] <Salva1> *-still.
[04:06] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, I have compiz on here. I guess that is supposedly taking care of whatever metacity used to
[04:06] <crdlb> Salva1: you want 3.5 instead of 3.6?
[04:06] <Salva1> Yes.
[04:07] <Zelozelos> sinistrad, i asked about/suggested the metacity replace because thats what fixed the issue for me, then i knew it was compiz causing the issues, get the fusion icon and it will list the apps, but as far as fixing the real issue, all i did was reinstall
[04:07] <Salva1> but updated via apt.
[04:07] <crdlb> Salva1: my guess is that you'd have to install it manually
[04:07] <Zelozelos> sinistrad, perhaps you can apt-get purge compiz or something idk
[04:08] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, I'll reinstall it. Thanks.  I'm hoping it won't mess things up. Ahh, purge compiz....I'll try those things
[04:08] <Zelozelos> good luck ;)
[04:08] <crdlb> Salva1: what do you need it for? old extensions?
[04:08] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, Thanks.  I'll see what happens
[04:10] <Zelozelos> oh sinistrad btw, i ended up reinstalling ubuntu to finally fix the issue, but i didnt try the purge option
[04:10] <sinistrad> OK.  I might try that after release date
[04:10] <Zelozelos> when is that anyhow?
[04:10] <bulltitan> i'm testing lucid lynx and the first thing i've noticed is that skype sound is crackling and pretty bad, is there a solution for this or will be?
[04:11] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, 29th according to the milestone schedule
[04:11] <Zelozelos> AWSOME! i cant wait
[04:11] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, which the addy for that is in the topic
[04:11] <Zelozelos> heh, i never even pay attention to that rofl
[04:12] <bulltitan> i've read somwhere that it could be a pulse audio issue since skype was working great in previous ubuntu version
[04:12] <sinistrad> Zelozelos, I didn't either until RC came out, and I found out how much they value their topic text
[04:13] <bulltitan> anyone knows about my issue
[04:14] <bulltitan> should i downgrade pulse audio files or so
[04:14] <litropy> Hi, peeps - network manager needs to unlock the default key ring to gain access to my wireless keys. Is there a way to _safely_ enable an auto-unlock?
[04:14] <Zelozelos> bulltitan, usually someone in here speaks up if they know, you can try ubuntu-offtopic
[04:15] <bulltitan> ok sorry ppl from ubuntu chann told me to come here
[04:15] <ZykoticK9> litropy, the safe way would be to disable auto-login --- with auto-login you'll need unsafe key storage
[04:15] <Zelozelos> litropy, dont enter a password when it first asks for one, the only safty issue is when someone else is on the specific machine
[04:15] <bulltitan> i'll try that chann then
[04:16] <Zelozelos> bulltitan, its a safe topic here (if you're using 10.04)
[04:17] <litropy> ZykoticK9: Auto-user login? As in, I have to click my name upon bootup?
[04:17] <litropy> Zelozelos: Won't that deny NM access to the key it needs to access my AP?
[04:17] <ZykoticK9> litropy, if you enter your name/pass at login - the keyring won't come up
[04:18] <litropy> ZykoticK9: Hmm...
[04:18] <litropy> ZykoticK9: I don't mind if NM has auto-access to my wireless keys. Would it create a security hole to give it auto-access with auto-login?
[04:19] <Zelozelos> litropy, i think were tkin about 2 diff things, do you automatically login when you puter starts, then the keyring password box appears to let you login to the net?
[04:19] <h00k> Zelozelos: ubuntu-offtopic isn't the place for support :)
[04:19] <rww> Zelozelos: #ubuntu-offtopic is not a su... oh, hello h00k.
[04:20] <Roasted> is the login screen actually customizable in 10 .04?
[04:20] <Zelozelos> but you can get help there sometimes if no body in here knows
[04:20] <h00k> rww: :)
[04:20] <ZykoticK9> litropy, if you don't want to enter password - follow Zelozelos advice, delete the current keyring and when you re-add your network password leave it blank, and agree to the unsafe storage
[04:20] <ZykoticK9> Roasted, no more then 9.10
[04:20] <litropy> ZykoticK9: that's only unsafe storage to my network keys, correct?
[04:21] <rww> Zelozelos: Regardless, it's not a support channel.  I'd highly recommend a regular login - username / password only takes a moment, and you don't open yourself up to these possible security issues!
[04:22] <litropy> ZykoticK9: Thank you for your help.
[04:22] <bulltitan> ok the one who told me to go ask somwhere else for my skype issue please tell me at least if this info is in the forums
[04:22] <ZykoticK9> litropy, "or not" in this case ;) -- glad to sorta help
[04:22] <litropy> you, too, Zelozelos.
[04:22] <Zelozelos> np,
[04:23] <bulltitan> i remind you crackling sound in skype with ubuntu lucid
[04:23] <bulltitan> or some other testing place
[04:23] <Zelozelos> bulltitan, yes its is a safe topic here as long as you're using lucid, i only suggested trying there because no one here seemed to know/answer
[04:24] <bulltitan> ok thanks i see, but anyone has had any pulse audio issue?
[04:24] <bulltitan> weird sound, crackling sound or anything
[04:25] <bulltitan> and yes im using lucid beta updated to release candidate (updated every 2 hours)
[04:27] <bulltitan> maybe is the new kernel version i hope they fix this cos i really depend on skype
[04:29] <Zelozelos> question about the keyring thing, if you dont put a password does it leave you vulnerable? i thought it was just to keep someone from accessing the internet/network like if you want your kiddies computer to automatically login, but not have Internet unless you want them to
[04:30] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, it just mean your network key or password is stored in clear text somewhere on the computer
[04:32] <Zelozelos> ahh i see, so someone can gain access to my wep key if they have access to the computer, but its not an open door for someone to gain access to my computer through the internet
[04:32] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, you got it!
[04:33] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9, thakns for clearing that up for me
[04:35] <DShepherd> anyone else experience regular random crashes. Not sure how to diagnose it but it seems to have some issues with plymouth. It flickers back and forth with the 'purple' screen and then some white bars... and just keeeps on doing. I have to do a hard reboot. Anyone know i can diagnose this problem?
[04:36] <h00k> Interesting, I just had compositing die.
[04:36] <ZykoticK9> DShepherd, you could try removing "quiet splash" from your kernel boot options and see if some text underneath give you any hints -- or possible this might correct the issue
[04:50] <ZykoticK9> !final | DingGGu
[04:51] <DingGGu> ah thanks
[04:51] <DingGGu> how to see my ubuntu version in console?
[04:51] <ZykoticK9> DingGGu, "lsb_release -a"
[04:52] <DingGGu> thanks a lot :D
[04:54] <DShepherd> ZykoticK9: lynx can run without plymouth right?
[04:54] <ZykoticK9> DShepherd, it can yes
[04:54] <ZykoticK9> DShepherd, for a while there was a fix that involved removing plymouth - i never had too, so no personal experience
[04:56] <bp0> is plymouth installed with ubuntu server?
[04:56] <ZykoticK9> bp0, yes i believe so
[04:57] <ZykoticK9> bp0, there was a bug about server and plymouth - so yes
[04:57] <bp0> why
[04:57] <bp0> strange
[05:00] <Roasted> so Im trying to get FOG installed... an open source cloning solution for mass imaging systems (think norton ghost). But it requires a package listed as libmd5-perl, and on 10.04 it says it cannot find that package. I NEED this application for work. Do I have to put 9.10 back in?
[05:11] <DanaG> Roasted: you can probably download just the old version of that one package.
[05:11] <Roasted> DanaG, how would I do that?
[05:11] <DanaG> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libmd5-perl&searchon=names&suite=karmic&section=all
[05:11] <DanaG> got there from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/!
[05:12] <Roasted> sorry to sound like a noob but - what do I do exactly
[05:13] <DanaG> there should be links to download the i386 or x86_64 (whichever you need) version of the package.
[05:13] <ZykoticK9> Roasted, you might want to try installing libio-digest-perl first and see if that works -- this is just a shot in the dark BTW
[05:13] <DanaG> oh, and file a bug on that package.
[05:13] <DanaG> if FOG is a package.
[05:13] <Roasted> ZykoticK9, well the installer for this program Im running looks for libmd5-perl exactly
[05:13] <Roasted> I was kinda hopin I wouldnt run into this
[05:14] <Roasted> FOG is a tar.gz bundle.
[05:14] <ZykoticK9> Roasted, from Karmic libmd5-perl - backwards-compatible wrapper for Digest::MD5
[05:14] <Roasted> I just extract and run a .sh script which finishes it out
[05:14] <Roasted> ZykoticK9, yeah - I'm sorry I just don't know what that means :P
[05:14] <Roasted> as in what I'm supposed to do
[05:15] <ZykoticK9> Roasted, try getting the Karmic package and see if it work (i'm no expert in this area)
[05:15] <Roasted> ZykoticK9, okay... but how do I get the karmic package? What am I supposed to do... download it and "inject" it into the repo or what?
[05:17] <ZykoticK9> Roasted, download it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/all/libmd5-perl/download
[05:18] <demism> is there a way to convert ubuntu into debian through repos and other means?
[05:22] <Roasted> ZykoticK9, bingo! thanks for that.worked nicely
[05:22] <ZykoticK9> Roasted, glad you got it working!
[05:23] <DingGGu> reboot
[05:28] <patrick_> sinistrad, like i run update-manager -d in term?
[05:28] <sinistrad> patrick_, yes
[05:28] <patrick_> sinistrad, sweet thanks!
[05:29] <sinistrad> of course =)
[05:32] <kklimonda> patrick_: sinistrad: either update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d from command line. Don't use apt-get dist-upgrade nor aptitude dist-upgrade as they can't do all sanity checks update manager does
[05:32] <sinistrad> good point
[05:33] <sinistrad> I wasn't sure if the new ones had do-release-upgrade as I'm actually in the process of upgrading an intrepid release before EOL catches up with it
[05:38] <kklimonda> sinistrad: any reason why have you stayed with intrepid for so long?
[05:38] <sinistrad> I set up a machine for some friends that is running their genealogy server
[05:39] <hunahpu> Lucid has no Gimp anymore?? (by default)
[05:39] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: yes, they removed it
[05:39] <sinistrad> And I admin it remotely.  I don't want to shake things up any more than I must, so I just keep it running
[05:39] <hunahpu> cornwalldfgdfggg: why would they do that? :0 they want more server traffic I guess...
[05:40] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: It is too confusing and advanced for basic users
[05:40] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: Most people just need to resize, crop, or red-eye removal
[05:40] <hunahpu> cornwalldfgdfggg: no it isn't and you don't need to be an expert for simple task... what graphics app is included now? tuxpaint?
[05:40] <sinistrad> kklimonda, so I saw that EOL was coming up, and decided I better get on it and get upgraded
[05:40] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: f-spot is linked with Eye of GNOME
[05:41] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: it is certainly too advanced for users.
[05:41] <hunahpu> cornwalldfgdfggg: but f-spot is a photographs manager is not it? eog can only display images ?
[05:42] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: eog has a button with 'edit photo' labelled. It will open up f-spot into an edit mode
[05:42] <hunahpu> cornwalldfgdfggg: I see... thanks for the info.
[05:42] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: a much simpler interface that will do all that most people need. If anyone needs more, they just install GIMP from the repos
[05:42] <cornwalldfgdfggg> hunahpu: no prob :)
[05:43] <cornwalldfgdfggg> another person probably pissed off at reasonable decisions..... >.>
[05:43] <kklimonda> sinistrad: why intrepid and not hardy for server?
[05:43] <cornwalldfgdfggg> kklimonda: because pulseaudio sucked so bad on Hardy! :P (complete joke)
[05:43] <Blue1> I am getting a could not update iceauthority file
[05:44] <sinistrad> kklimonda,  intrepid was latest, and I wasn't as smart back then (hehe)
[05:44] <kklimonda> sinistrad: ah, I see :)
[05:45] <sinistrad> kklimonda, plus, it worked nicely. If it isn't broke, don't fix it
[05:45] <kklimonda> indeed
[05:45] <jmoiron> does the 10.4 updater override the root password?
[05:46] <kklimonda> jmoiron: hmm.. not that I know of
[05:46] <ddecator> anyone having nautilus crash on them if they open a folder with alot in it? (such as /usr/bin)
[05:47] <kklimonda> ddecator: no
[05:47] <ddecator> kklimonda: odd, i wonder why it keeps crashing on me...guess i'll get a backtrace. thanks
[05:51] <Blue1> have problems with iceauthority anyone help?
[06:07] <pepee> bug 1
[06:09] <Usagiakumu> in software center you all should separate QT apps from GTK apps
[06:11] <greezmunkey> lo
[06:13] <greezmunkey> I'm trying to locate a document that describes the boot process for lucid, but google is lettin' me down. Any links?
[06:15] <sinistrad> greezmunkey, I may be wrong, but upstart has something to do with starting/stopping processes. I'm not sure if it handles everything from grub, though.  You might be able to google upstart with your query to narrow things down
[06:15] <greezmunkey> sinistrad: I'll try that...thx
[06:15] <sinistrad> greezmunkey, np. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone will catch it =)
[06:19] <greezmunkey> sinistrad: nice article: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/125977
[06:19] <greezmunkey> sinistrad: thanks
[06:19] <sinistrad> greezmunkey, of course =)
[06:23] <bp0> why does hulu desktop play ugly betty every time at startup
[06:23] <bp0> christ
[06:23] <bp0> where is the fix for that
[06:30] <DShepherd> i like the subcategories in the software center
[06:30] <DShepherd> very useful
[06:31] <poutine> I dislike it, I think it should be organized by flavor instead
[06:31] <DShepherd> anyone find the software center responsiveness slow though?
[06:31] <DShepherd> poutine: flavour?
[06:33] <poutine> DShepherd, non-americans don't know how to speak english, or spell
[06:33] <poutine> especially the english
[06:34] <DShepherd> poutine: hehe. i was really asking what you meant when you said 'flavour'
[06:34] <poutine> I never said such a silly thing
[06:34] <poutine> flavor has no 'u' in it stateside
[06:35] <pepee> america is a continent
[06:35] <poutine> canada is a hat
[06:35] <pepee> I think you are referring to USA?
[06:35] <poutine> mexico is a beard
[06:35] <poutine> for the great USA
[06:36] <pepee> heh, america...
[06:36]  * DShepherd rolls eyes
[06:36] <pepee> search for "america" in the map
[06:36] <Usagiakumu> man so much love has gone into 10.04
[06:36] <poutine> places like jamaica are crabs that have fallen off the beard
[06:36] <bazhang> !ot
[06:36] <poutine> I am banned from there
[06:37] <pepee> I know why...
[06:37] <Usagiakumu> I love literally everything about 10.04
[06:37] <poutine> * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[06:37] <bazhang> poutine, does not matter. this is not the chat channel
[06:37] <poutine> well where do I take ot stuff?
[06:37] <DanaG> randomly, I thought of headcrabs.
[06:37] <poutine> I am given no alternatives
[06:37] <DanaG> oh, go in #ubuntu-ops and ask about #ubuntu-offtopic?
[06:38] <poutine> that is an inefficient process, is there anything automated?
[06:38] <DShepherd> anyways, i off to see the wizard
[06:38] <DShepherd> bye
[06:38] <Usagiakumu> poutine, ##club-ubuntu
[06:38] <poutine> sweet, a club, I will finally belong, thanks
[06:38] <Usagiakumu> no you wont belong
[06:38] <Usagiakumu> lol
[06:39] <Usagiakumu> if your a tard ull be banned and laughed out of there too
[06:39] <bazhang> Usagiakumu, please don't advertise here
[06:39] <Usagiakumu> lol
[06:39] <Usagiakumu> he asked a question I answered it
[06:42] <poutine> Usagiakumu, you're
[06:42] <poutine> not "your"
[06:42] <poutine> and "ull" is unacceptable
[06:42] <poutine> you saved 3 keystrokes, and in the process made yourself look like a child
[06:43] <Usagiakumu> you need to learn how to put your sentences in one line and please dont use the enter key as the comma key
[06:46] <nullkuhl_> hello i have a problem with my pointing device, its a laptop clickpad, currently i have no right or left clicks working nor 2 finger scrolling, plz help..
[06:48] <[31d1]> ##ubuntu+strobe-light
[06:49] <nullkuhl_> ?
[06:52] <nullkuhl_> hello i have a problem with my pointing device, its a laptop clickpad, currently i have no right or left clicks working nor 2 finger scrolling, plz help..
[06:53] <alkisg> In virtualbox-ose, I'm getting: Failed to open/create the internal network 'HostInterfaceNetworking-wlan0' (you might need to modprobe vboxnetflt to make it accessible) (VERR_SUPDRV_COMPONENT_NOT_FOUND).
[06:53] <alkisg> `sudo modprobe vboxnetflt` gives me:
[06:53] <alkisg> FATAL: Error inserting vboxnetflt (/lib/modules/2.6.32-21-generic-pae/updates/dkms/vboxnetflt.ko): Invalid module format
[06:53] <alkisg> And finally, with `sudo insmod vboxnetflt` I get it working. Anyone else having this? Is it a known problem?
[06:56] <yukiseaside> when
[06:56] <bazhang> yukiseaside, when what
[07:01] <underdev> anyone noticing inexplicable cpu spikes w/ lucid?
[07:02] <underdev> my 'puter system speaker has been going off intermittantly, couldn't figure out what it was.  Then i noticed while idling lucid was pinning my 3.2 quadcore
[07:03] <underdev> what the heck could be demanding that kind of processing power while idling?
[07:04] <crow> why my second harddriver is also recognized as /dev/sg1 using "hddtemp /dev/s*1"
[07:06] <Fullmoon> Is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get distupgrade the way to update from the beta to RC?
[07:08] <iconmefisto> it's dist-upgrade
[07:08] <iconmefisto> and you can skip the apt-get upgrade if you do dist-upgrade
[07:08] <Fullmoon> Ah, good to know, thanks!
[08:02] <thecookie> Any news on sound fixes?
[08:26] <koshari> how many packages are close to realease atm?
[08:30] <kklimonda> koshari: all packages are close to release atm if by "close" you mean "they are not going to change drastically in the next 72 hours"
[08:32] <koshari> just wondering if i should do an update on my nettop, its beta2 and will need a lot of packages, if the fast updates push has sowed a bit i will do so.
[08:41] <red2kic> !latest
[08:41] <red2kic> Meh. That's not it.
[08:41] <red2kic> !final
[08:43] <araujo> !upgrade
[08:43] <Noble> The installer seems to be caught in an infinite loop when loading the kerlen from the USB key.
[08:44] <moomoo83> <-- has had issues installing from usb key too at times
[08:44] <Noble> Solutions?
[08:44] <vega> i installed from key a few days ago, went ok
[08:45] <Ken8521> strange i've never had a prob installing from usb
[08:45] <Noble> Might be hardware-related then.
[08:45] <moomoo83> if you use usb-creator in ubuntu, make sure the source is an .iso and not a cdrom
[08:45] <Noble> The USB kernel image takes some time to load, but this just goes on for 10+ minutes.
[08:45] <moomoo83> and, try rebooting.. that has helped for me..
[08:45] <Noble> Did, several times :/
[08:45] <araujo> !dist-upgrade
[08:45] <Ken8521> moomoo83, well, i never use the Ubuntu tool, I always use unetbootin
[08:46] <Noble> I'm not a fan of dist-upgrade.
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> Drop your fears and wave guud morning to the World! \m/
[08:46] <Ken8521> i'm not a fan of "upgrading" any OS...
[08:46] <moomoo83> and i have never used unetbootin lol
[08:46] <moomoo83> me either ken
[08:47] <Ken8521> moomoo83, well maybe thats the reason you've had problems.. :)
[08:47] <Noble> Is unetbootin in the repos?
[08:47] <Noble> apparently.
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> Noble: yes
[08:47] <Ken8521> Noble, i don't know.. i download the .deb from their homepage
[08:48] <moomoo83> i doubt it.. the alpha and beta 10.04 cds caused me a lot of problems
[08:48] <Noble> Ill try the daily build and unetbootin then.
[08:48] <Ken8521> Noble, the one thing i've found w/ using Unetbootin under Ubuntu, is make sure the thumb drive, is a Linux filesystem(ext3, ext4, etc..) and not fat32....
[08:48] <moomoo83> *tired*
[08:48] <Noble> i see.
[08:49] <Ken8521> Noble, beyond that, its simple.. you can have unetbootin download an iso(probably won't work for a RC) or download an ISO of your choice, and use Unetbootin to install it.. that's what I always do
[08:49] <Noble> This is going to be installed on my work computer, so I'm wondering if I'm just gonna install Slack or Debian. But 10.04  LTS seems like a good option as well.
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> Noble: and the gang: if you have enough bandwith
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> take a look at netboot.me or boot.kernel.org
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm love with those
[08:50] <moomoo83> noble.. what os are you using at the moment ?
[08:51] <Noble> moomoo83: on this computer? Or in general?
[08:51] <moomoo83> on *that* comp..
[08:51] <Noble> Xubuntu 9.10
[08:52] <moomoo83> and youve tried unsuccessfully with the usb-creator-gtk package?
[08:52] <Noble> That is correct.
[08:52] <Noble> I cant seem to find .img of 10.04 so I cant dd it.
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> there's none
[08:53] <Noble> Is there a reason for that?
[08:53] <moomoo83> two things: get the right .iso of 10.04... assuming your using the desktop iso..
[08:54] <Noble> And secondly?
[08:54] <moomoo83> and.. try installing gnome-disk-utility and formatting your usb drive with FAT before using the usb-creator tool
[08:55] <moomoo83> i wasn't able to format the usb drive with the usb-creator tool for whatever reason.. it just wouldn't let me.. had to use the disk management tool in gnome..
[08:55] <moomoo83> (palimpsest)
[08:56] <moomoo83> but after that it worked fine
[08:56] <Noble> Oh, I used cfdisk.
[08:57] <moomoo83> try sudo apt-get install gnome-disk-utility in a terminal
[08:58] <Noble> unetbootin chewing on the disk now.
[08:59] <moomoo83> were you able to get the 10.04 iso with unetbootin ?
[08:59] <done> After update to Lucid my sound is gone.
[09:00] <Noble> moomoo83: No, I D/L the daily build iso
[09:00] <Noble> brb,r eboot
[09:01] <moomoo83> done, is your audio device showing up in the hardware ?
[09:01] <done> moomoo83, Hardware ..? do you mean jockey?
[09:02] <moomoo83> no, in system > preferences > sound .. click the hardware tab
[09:02] <moomoo83> should be there ??
[09:02] <done> Its not shown in Hardware driver . Its a acer notebook with driver ->nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller
[09:02] <moomoo83> ha, same as me
[09:02] <moomoo83> except dell..
[09:02] <moomoo83> but all nvidia
[09:03] <done> Same problem?
[09:03] <moomoo83> no i have sound, but i did a fresh install of 10.04
[09:03] <moomoo83> so it's not showing up in the sound options hardware tab ?
[09:04] <SuN__> now reiinstall  linux-headers from live cd to my os ubuntu 10.04 rc1
[09:04] <done> I have the german version, therefore there are different names.. searching
[09:05] <SuN__> help !
[09:05] <moomoo83> or, you can type aplay -l in a terminal
[09:06] <moomoo83> that will tell you if your hardware is discovered
[09:07] <SuN__> now fix reiinstall  linux-headers from live cd to my os ubuntu 10.04 rc1
[09:07] <done> moomoo83, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/206610/
[09:09] <moomoo83> ok done
[09:09] <moomoo83> that looks ok
[09:09] <done> ok
[09:09] <moomoo83> click on the speaker in the notification area, and click on sound preferneces
[09:10] <moomoo83> preferences
[09:11] <phimic> hi all
[09:11] <phimic> where can i find libcrypt-dev for 10.4 ?
[09:12] <done> moomoo83, There is no Speaker Icon there
[09:13] <eremite> done: add the notification applet to your panel so you can see the sound icon.
[09:13] <done> moomoo83, The Wireless icon is there.. and so on.
[09:13] <SuN__> I can not log gives me a black screen and reboot ... how to help me reinstall
[09:13] <Noble> Meh, did not work. Still ends in infinity loop when loading the kernel.
[09:13] <Noble> I can access the ttys though
[09:13] <Ken8521> Noble, wonder if there's somethign wrong w/ the ISO you downlodaed
[09:13] <moomoo83> hmm wierd noble
[09:14] <moomoo83> sounds like a hardware issue though
[09:14] <done> eremite, your right now its there..
[09:14] <Ken8521> ya
[09:14] <Noble> I've tried several .isos
[09:14] <Noble> I belive its a hardware issue.
[09:15] <Noble> Maybe I should report it as a bug.
[09:16] <Ken8521> i take it 9.10 never caused these issues?
[09:16] <done> No turned the volume to maximum .. can hear only a little little noise of the sound.. its there.. but terrible quiet
[09:16] <Noble> Ken8521: Correct.
[09:16] <Ken8521> hmm
[09:19] <moomoo83> done, type alsamixer in to a terminal and try to turn up all the channels.. especially PCM
[09:19] <moomoo83> once that happened to me, the pcm was turned down low somehow.. that's all i needed to do
[09:20] <SuN__> help me !!!!!1
[09:20] <SuN__> I can not log gives me a black screen and reboot ... how to help me reinstall
[09:20] <eremite> SuN__: burn a cd or DVD or use UNetBootin
[09:20] <SuN__> cd
[09:21] <eremite> Oh wait, UNetbootin will not work for you
[09:21] <SuN__> now ?
[09:21] <eremite> SuN__: just reinstall using teh CD.  Just put the CD in and reboot, and install
[09:22] <eremite> Very easy to do.
[09:22] <moomoo83> ken, have you tried formatting your usb key with gnome-disk-utility yet ?
[09:26] <SuN__> eremite, 9.04 then upgrade it gives me 10.04, and black Eckart and restart and recovery in the same job from CD how can I fix this problem is there a way default KDE and Ubuntu and lubuntu ....
[09:28] <SuN__> 9.04 then upgrade it gives me 10.04, and a black screen and restart and recovery in the same job from CD how can I fix this problem is there a way default KDE and Ubuntu and lubuntu ..
[09:34] <Orias_Korva> hello, can somebody tell me how to install 2.6.33 kernel(x86_64)?
[09:34] <G_A_C> there's a mainline kernel page on the ubuntu wiki, you should probably start there
[09:35] <Orias_Korva> I addede ppa:ppa-kernel/ppa but no 2.6.33 appeared, let me see the wiki, thanks
[09:37] <G_A_C> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds
[09:41] <Orias_Korva> what is the difference between the vanilla kernel from Linus and intel-drm kernels?
[09:41] <moomoo83> i think vanilla kernels are usually for amd
[09:44] <moomoo83> orias_korva: http://software.itags.org/debian/76418/
[09:45] <Orias_Korva> moomoo83: thanks
[09:48] <jve> Hi, I'm running lucid on a headless pc with no bios battery and every time i boot i need to set the time in bios to get ubuntu booting. Is it possible to disable the filesystem date check so that i can boot into ubuntu without any user interaction?
[09:49] <BUGabundo_remote> jve: is it even advisalbe?
[09:49] <joaopinto> good morning Vietnam
[09:49] <Orias_Korva> jve: is it no t possible to get time via ntp before mounting the filesystem?
[09:50] <jve> the server is not connected to the internet i will no be
[09:50] <Orias_Korva> AFAIK, mount command checks the filesystem date
[09:50] <Orias_Korva> oh, ok
[09:50] <jve> and will not be
[09:50] <joaopinto> are you talking about mounting filesystems with a broken clock ?
[09:50] <jve> yes
[09:51] <joaopinto> there is a bug open for that
[09:51] <done> moomoo83, Still no Audio.. in alsamixer volume all maximized. if I press F6 (shows hardware) there I can choose Intel and Nvidia. i took nvidia -> this device dont have any sliders.
[09:51] <joaopinto> no planned fix the last time I have checked
[09:51] <jve> and i can't disable the filesystem check?
[09:52] <joaopinto> you can't
[09:52] <kklimonda> or you could just replace the battery? ;)
[09:52] <moomoo83> done, when click on the speaker in the notification area.. then click on the output tab and try choosing the other option and see if you have sound then
[09:52] <joaopinto> because that's designed to prevent FS corruption
[09:52] <jve> ok, thanks. Unfortunately i cant't replace the battery
[09:52] <joaopinto> jve, https://launchpad.net/bugs/563618
[09:53] <joaopinto> hum I wonder about the fix released
[09:54] <switchgirl> how to ban all double click ip addresses from my network permanently? without bricking my connection or banning myself from sites/ stoping sites loading (i dont want to ban myself
[09:54] <done> moomoo83, There ist only one point -> Internal Audio Digital Stere (IEC958) Stereo.. nothin more
[09:55] <moomoo83> hmmm
[09:55] <joaopinto> jve, check the bug report, there is a workaround, an option to force the filesystem timestamp to be ignored
[09:55] <moomoo83> i can't really think of anything else, done, sorry
[09:56] <jve> joaopinto: i'm reading it now. Thanks
[09:57] <done> moomoo83, Ok. you told me you have the same hardware. please take a look in your output.. what is in there?
[09:57] <moomoo83> shows up as internal audio analog stereo
[09:58] <moomoo83> and the card comes up as NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC888 Analog [ALC888 Analog]
[09:58] <moomoo83> do you have pulseaudio installed done?
[09:58] <jve> joaopinto: When it says fix released is it already pushed to the build in the repositories?
[09:59] <done> moomoo83, till now I didnt installed anything manually
[09:59] <red2kic> jve: Not likely. It'll be in next version.
[10:00] <joaopinto> jve, yes, fix released means published to the repositories
[10:00] <done> moomoo83, pulseaudio is installed
[10:01] <moomoo83> can you open up a terminal and type pulseaudio --version
[10:01] <moomoo83> paste the output
[10:01] <moomoo83> pulseaudio-equalizer
[10:01] <moomoo83> oops wrong win..
[10:03] <done> pulseaudio 0.9.21-63-gd3efa-dirty
[10:03] <sten2> ! blender
[10:04] <moomoo83> hrmm, seems okay done... same as mine
[10:04] <moomoo83> have you tried using different applications for audio output ??
[10:04] <done> moomoo83, If you starte alsamixer and press f6 are there 2 shown?
[10:05] <done> moomoo83, Yes, vlc Player, mplayer, rythmbox
[10:05] <moomoo83> hmm
[10:05] <moomoo83> k in alsamixer
[10:05] <moomoo83> i have only one device when i press F6
[10:05] <moomoo83> 0 HDA NVidia
[10:05] <moomoo83> what do you get ?
[10:05] <molecule_> eremite, 9.04 then upgrade it gives me 10.04, and black Eckart and restart and recovery in the same job from CD how can I fix this problem is there a way default KDE and Ubuntu and lubuntu ....
[10:07] <done> moomoo83, im getting 2 -> 0 HDA Intel , 1 HDA Nvidia
[10:07] <moomoo83> try selecting either of them and trying sound, also make sure all the sliders are up, ie. master, pcm
[10:09] <done> moomoo83, i can only choose Intel.. to see any sliders.. if Im choosing Nvidia there comes a message.. device has no sliders to choose.(self translated)
[10:10] <moomoo83> hmm
[10:10] <done> moomoo83, The strange thing is.. a can here a little noise of music coming out of the Notebook.. strange
[10:10] <moomoo83> in alsamixer, press F2, then select /proc/asound/version and tell me what shows up
[10:11] <moomoo83> yeah that is strange.. i've had that problem in the past, with 9.10 kubuntu.. low volume..
[10:11] <moomoo83> i can't seem to remember what i did.. i think if i remember correctly, it was after an upgrade, and i was having other problems that i couldn't resolve, so i just did a fresh 9.10 install from CD
[10:12] <done> What the fu**.. Audio is back.
[10:12] <moomoo83> yay problem fixed :)
[10:12] <moomoo83> it's magic :)
[10:13] <done> there is a other Programm to change devides.. there stood digital output.. I changed.. still no noise.. startet alsamixer change volume.. there it is.
[10:14] <moomoo83> well thats great
[10:14] <done> moomoo83, Thanks a lot. Thought its would be a long turn.:)
[10:14] <moomoo83> glad you got it worked out :)
[10:16] <done> One problem is left. If i tune to console by pressing Strg+Alt+F1 .. I see strange colored things. STRG+ALT+F7 brings desktop back in the normal way
[10:17] <moomoo83> try another console, like strg+alt+f2, f3, f4 etc
[10:18] <done> moomoo83, Its the same.. the colors are little different
[10:18] <moomoo83> hmm that is strange
[10:20] <done> moomoo83, on karmic it was more problematic. Had to boot, because the hole screen was splittet in many lines. Its a nvidia probleme.. Geforce G210;
[10:20] <done> Geforce G210M (mobile)
[10:20] <mortal> this is  weird, I upgraded to the latest lucid and for some reason I have to skip mounting my /home and /tmp for it to boot
[10:20] <moomoo83> ahh i see
[10:20] <mortal> otherwise it complains something about plymouth and says root password or ctrl-d
[10:20] <moomoo83> have you installed the nvidia restricted drivers ?
[10:22] <done> moomoo83, nvidia-current -> think its 195 ?
[10:24] <moomoo83> yes okay
[10:24] <moomoo83> me too
[10:24] <done> same graphic card .. no?
[10:24] <moomoo83> nope mine is nforce 6 series
[10:26] <done>  moomoo83, if i choose nvidia in jockey.. a error apears
[10:26] <moomoo83> geforce 6150se actually
[10:26] <moomoo83> what error?
[10:28] <done> Installation fault. take a look at /var/log/jockey.log. but there are thousends of messages in there
[10:29] <moomoo83> hmm, strange.. so you can't install the nvidia drivers ??
[10:30] <done> moomoo83, the nvidia-current is showing green as installed. so thought try the nvidia driver that second choice
[10:31] <Vigo> How do I select or deselect KDE packages from Software Center or Synaptic? And or how do I omit blobs (temporarily) from showing up in the repositories?
[10:40] <joaopinto> Vigo, there is no filter for "KDE" packages
[10:40] <joaopinto> as for blogs, there is no such filter either
[10:40] <Maakuth> on lucid with latest upgrades, dell latitude d505 hangs completely presumably during x11 startup. it's fine with 2.6.32-20-generic kernel, but this happens with the latest 2.6.32-21-generic
[10:40] <Vigo> joanpinto: Thank you.
[10:40] <joaopinto> ops, blobs
[10:41] <joaopinto> Maakuth, can you boot with rescue mode ?
[10:42] <Maakuth> joaopinto, i haven't tried that. i'm now running with the -20 kernel
[10:42] <joaopinto> just to make sure it's related to xorg/gdm
[10:42] <joaopinto> and not the kernel/boot per si
[10:43] <Maakuth> let's see
[10:43] <joaopinto> you can start gdm from there, to see if it hangs
[10:43] <joaopinto> "start gdm"
[10:43] <joaopinto> from the recovery shell
[10:44] <Maakuth> alright, it's now booting to recovery mode
[10:44] <vistakiller1> still plymouth problem and suspend, hibernate dont work
[10:46] <Maakuth> yep, it's gdm/xorg
[10:46] <Maakuth> got the shell fine, "start gdm" hung it completely. doesn't react to ctrl-alt-del or capslock
[10:47] <joaopinto> Maakuth, ubuntu-bug xorg
[10:47] <Maakuth> okay
[10:47] <joaopinto> well, after booting with the old kernel
[10:48] <joaopinto> imeediatly after hanging, since that is likely to get your previous log files
[10:48] <Maakuth> i'll do that
[10:48] <joaopinto> and now that I think I am not sure the bug should be reported at xorg or kernel
[10:48] <joaopinto> because xorg starts fine with a previous kernel
[10:49] <Maakuth> yeah, hmm. maybe i'll file it against kernel then
[10:53] <joaopinto> ubuntu-bug linux (for kernel)
[11:03] <vistakiller1> anyone else have problem with suspend?
[11:04] <DASPRiD> yes, because i have my swap encrypted
[11:04] <DASPRiD> ;)
[11:04] <Maakuth> oh man, bug reporting timed out in launchpad, and browser's back button threw my raport away. damnit
[11:10] <eremite> Maakuth: always use a text editor when writing text that is destined for a browser.  Copy and paste.  I learned that lesson back in the early YouTube days when everything was broken.
[11:21] <Maakuth> eremite, yeah, probably a good advice
[11:22] <bastilian> I'm currently instaling Ubuntu 10.04 RC on my macbook and the screen turned black right after the finishing the installation setup. is this normal?
[11:23] <duffydack> Just booted up first time today, dont remember seeing it before but I got The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_IndicatorApplet". and asked if I wanted to delete it or not.   I rebooted and was fine.
[11:27] <Remmaze> any good or bad feedback for Ubuntu 10.04 on Lenovo X100e.....??
[11:33] <joaopinto> bastilian, that is not normal
[11:33] <joaopinto> Remmaze, is very unlikely that you find someone here with a particular laptop model :P
[11:39] <KnowledgeLeech> Is kdevelop not available in Lucid?
[11:40] <Maakuth> so, lucid kernel bugs are regression-potential as it's not yet a stable release?
[11:41] <rww> KnowledgeLeech: doesn't look like it
[11:41] <joaopinto> Maakuth, everything in lucid regression-potential until is widely deployed
[11:41] <squiddy> hi, anyone using nokia wireless headset BH 503 with lucid ? i cant pair the device on my machine
[11:41] <joaopinto> but from a regular development perspective it's stable
[11:42] <joaopinto> finall will be out in a few days, hopefully there will be no major fixes before final
[11:42] <rww> KnowledgeLeech: was deleted from lucid in February with the reason "not going to be stable by release"
[11:43] <KnowledgeLeech> thanks rww
[12:01] <ROBOd> i just downloaded the livecd of ubuntu 10.04 lts and it directly boots into gnome
[12:01] <ROBOd> i don't see how i can start memtest
[12:01] <joaopinto> ROBOd, now you need to press SHIFT
[12:01] <ROBOd> i want to do a memtest for my system
[12:01] <joaopinto> while booting, to get the grub menu
[12:01] <ROBOd> aha
[12:02] <joaopinto> it's hidden by default :)
[12:02] <ROBOd> joaopinto: thanks. it works ;)
[12:07] <alvin> Was there an issue with X.org that made Lucid slower over time?
[12:08] <joaopinto> alvin, there was a mem leak yes
[12:08] <alvin> Is it still there?
[12:08] <joaopinto> I think it was fixed, anyway it only affected certain drivers
[12:09] <alvin> My Kubuntu is slowing down. It's not that bad, but noticeable and I have still half of my RAM left
[12:09] <alvin> ah, ok
[12:09] <alvin> In that case, it's probably something else
[12:09] <joaopinto> most probably, yes
[12:09] <alvin> Switching tabs in Konqueror or switching workspaces takes a few seconds now
[12:16] <gnomefreak> 88% CPU for Xorg is a good indicater it is not fixed yet
[12:16] <gnomefreak> it is not steady but it should never get that high
[12:17] <alvin> No, it's between 6% and 30% here.
[12:19] <gnomefreak> it is ranging here
[12:19] <DASPRiD> which kernel does lucid have right now? .32 or .33?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> 2.3 atm
[12:19] <gnomefreak> 32
[12:20] <DASPRiD> hm, sad :(
[12:20] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: we cherry picked a few parts but we will not get above 32
[12:20] <squiddy> need help with pairing nokia wireless headphone bh-503 with lucid, please
[12:20] <yukiseaside> wheres the bot?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> 33== unstable as i recall
[12:20] <gnomefreak> yukiseaside: hes here
[12:21] <DASPRiD> gnomefreak, 33 has support for k10temp built-in, that is the part i'll miss
[12:21] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: it is possible we added that to 32 as we did for a few things. unstable kernel+LTS= very bad idea
[12:21] <DASPRiD> hm true
[12:22] <DASPRiD> gnomefreak, btw, ubuntu should really think about a rolling-repository for desktop applications like thunderbird, firefox, open office and so on, those are applications users usually want to be up-to-date ;)
[12:23] <nomad111> hi i'm using 10.04 rc, it does not seem to pick up when i insert a dvd, what could be the problem?
[12:23] <ubiquitous1980> anyone familiar with zotero?
[12:23] <nomad111> there is nothing in /cdrom
[12:24] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: the mozillateam has unstable and stable for most packages we have
[12:24] <DASPRiD> gnomefreak, i know the daily repos, but that one is unbranded
[12:24] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: re read what i said :)
[12:25] <DASPRiD> hm, re-phrase please :)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> we can not use officail branding on un released versions(it breaks MLP) as i said above we have a stable repo as well
[12:26] <DASPRiD> hm i dont really see the problem with it (MLP =)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: re it closely or join #firefox in irc.mozilla.com and feel free to ask
[12:28] <gnomefreak> read it
[12:29] <huang> hi, my laptop takes a long time to resume from suspend, most of the time is used to wake the battery,    PM: resume of drv:battery dev:PNP0C0A:00 complete after 59352.076 msecs
[12:30] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: im thinking it was MPL at least at one time it was. but either way Mozilla will not let us use official branding for un-released versions
[12:31] <DASPRiD> but what do you mean by un-released versions? when mozilla releases 3.6, is it still un-released for us then?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> the daily has pre released versions
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 3.6.5~hg20100427r34130+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 3.6.5 is not yet stable
[12:33] <switchgirl> how does this work? --- google.com ping statistics --- 900 packets transmitted, 897 received, 0% packet loss, time 900017ms  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 42.818/52.616/457.203/17.515 ms
[12:33] <switchgirl> 0% packetloss but 2 missing
[12:34] <jonathaN> switchgirl: it's less than 0.5% so gets rounded down to 0%
[12:34] <switchgirl> ok
[12:34] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: pleae lets move the Mozilla talk to #ubuntu-mozillateam so i can keep my eye on one channel, i am doing alot of things at once right now
[12:34] <switchgirl> thanks
[12:35] <switchgirl> :)
[12:35] <DASPRiD> gnomefreak, sure, thanks ;)
[12:37] <gnomefreak> np
[12:37] <remoteCTRL> can it be that lucid does have no netbook edition???
[12:38] <switchgirl> jonathaN, 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 65353ms << i have a random connection
[12:38] <bazhang> remoteCTRL, it does have a netbook edition
[12:40] <remoteCTRL> bazhang: hey there dude, long time no see:) well i am currently upgrading a netbook (asus 1101ha) in expectation of a working graphics driver then and the routine told me amongst others that the package ubuntu-netbook-edition's support has expired.
[12:40] <remoteCTRL> so has there be a namechange or due to what circumstance is this?
[12:40] <remoteCTRL> sry, meant ubuntu-netbook-remix
[12:41] <bazhang> remoteCTRL, when you say 'the routine' what do you mean? there is a UNE on the downloads page
[12:41] <remoteCTRL> bazhang: i mean update-manager -d
[12:41] <bazhang> remoteCTRL, it has been renamed UNE
[12:41]  * switchgirl fires up her DJ to remix ubuntu for the netbook :P
[12:41] <bazhang> !une
[12:41] <switchgirl> lol
[12:42] <rww> remoteCTRL: the metapackage for the netbook version is now ubuntu-netbook, not ubuntu-netbook-remix, I believe.
[12:42] <remoteCTRL> switchgirl: go ahead, you got  about 5 minutes*g*
[12:42] <rww> !info ubuntu-netbook lucid
[12:42] <remoteCTRL> aaaah i see:)
[12:42] <remoteCTRL> so no worries there
[12:42] <remoteCTRL> approximately *g*
[12:42] <rww> nope. you can safely remove the old metapackage after upgrading
[12:43] <remoteCTRL> wonderful!
[12:43] <remoteCTRL> thanks guys!:)
[12:49]  * leagris is away: Occupée
[12:49] <iiie>  uite pb  the installer encountere an  unrecoverable error A desktop session will now be run so that may investigate the problem or try installing again,hople to 29 don't have agin this pb
[12:50] <bazhang> iiie, what is 'uite pb'
[12:50] <iiie>  pb  the installer encountere an  unrecoverable error A desktop session will now be run so that may investigate the problem or try installing again
[12:50] <iiie> this a big pb
[12:50] <crow> is it normal that harddrive is also show when using hddtemp as sg1 device? http://paste.debian.net/70828/
[12:51] <iiie> pb is my pc? or ubuntu?
[12:52] <bazhang> iiie, please use complete sentences/words; no idea what you are saying
[12:53] <iiie> The problem is my computer, or Ubuntu?
[12:53] <bazhang> iiie, you need to give more details: what were you trying to do
[12:55] <iiie> I wanted to install it in computer but he could not have
[12:56] <iiie> I got that error
[12:56] <bazhang> iiie, did you md5 the iso? burn at low speed and do the disk integrity check?
[12:56] <bazhang> !md5 | iiie
[12:57] <iiie> don't have windows
[12:57] <bazhang> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM  <--- iiie
[12:57] <cousteau> where were those boot-time stats? want to see if ubuntu has reached the 10 seconds target
[12:57] <bazhang> iiie, sounds like a corrupt iso, or a bad burn
[12:58] <ubiquitous1980> does anyone have zotero running on lucid?
[12:58] <iiie> i I give up, wait until April 29
[12:59] <cousteau> iiie: what OS/distro are you running?
[12:59] <iiie> 9.10
[12:59] <iiie> today 9.10
[13:00] <iiie> last day mandriva kde 2010
[13:00] <cousteau> ok. Assuming your burned Lucid cd is in /dev/scd0, then you may run `md5sum /dev/sr0`
[13:02] <cousteau> after a while, you'll get the disk md5. Check if it's the right one, otherwise check the .iso md5sum the same way (md5sum name_of_the_image.iso) to see if it changed when downloading or when burning
[13:02] <iiie> I think mandriva is much better
[13:05] <crow> is it normal that harddrive is also show when using hddtemp as sg1 device? http://paste.debian.net/70828/
[13:07] <cousteau> found it!   http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/   there's a lot of time since they update it
[13:18] <red2kic> What packages am I missing for that nifty notify-osd?
[13:20] <red2kic> I have notify-osd notify-osd-icons libnotify0.4-cli libnotify1
[13:21] <cheche> Hi, todays build does not recognise the windows partition. First time it happends since December that I have been testing daily builds
[13:22] <cheche> I eman, it does recognize, but got missing from grub.
[13:22] <gnomefreak> cheche: update grub than
[13:23] <cheche> gnomefreak: I am testing this system right now.. I will try to update-grub to see if it able to see the windows partition.
[13:23] <lapion> does anyone know if it's possible to make a sandboxed upgrade permanent ?
[13:24] <vega> "sandboxed upgrade" ?
[13:24] <bazhang> wubi? or vbox
[13:25] <lapion> do-release-upgrade -s
[13:25] <red2kic> Those using lucid and have a working notify-osd, please run "dpkg -l | grep notify" -- Please list the packages for me. :)
[13:25] <vega> no idea, never heard..
[13:26] <cheche> gnomefreak: strage. I modify /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT=saved GRUB_SAVEDDEFAULT=true ; update-grub and the windows option got there.. maybe this is one off
[13:27] <lapion> a dirty/non-chkdsked ntfs/windows partition can be the problem
[13:28] <padi999> hi, I was redirected here because I would like to download the iso for the up to date RC
[13:28] <padi999> of ubuntu 10.4, obviously
[13:28] <kklimonda> !rc
[13:28] <kklimonda> blah
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> There was a daily build iso i thought thats newer then the RC.
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> !daily
[13:29] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview
[13:29] <padi999> muchas gracias .)
[13:29] <padi999> :)
[13:30] <red2kic> Got Lucid? Please run "dpkg -l | grep notify" -- And list the packages for me. Thanks!
[13:30] <lapion> vega yes check it out, it gives you the possibility to see if an upgrade is viable on your system
[13:32] <cheche> I have not got a xorg.conf file on one system. Is this normal?
[13:32] <red2kic> cheche: Totally normal.
[13:32] <bazhang> yep
[13:32] <vega> red2kic: python-notify and python-pyinotify in addition to what you listed before..
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> very normal.. getting to be commonplace
[13:34] <red2kic> vega: And your notify-osd works? (Nifty transparent messages on top-right)
[13:34] <cheche> ok. I have a SIS graphic card and looking on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/317658?comments=all
[13:34] <vega> red2kic: not sure :)don't get many messages i suppose
[13:34] <vega> red2kic: do you have a procedure to test?
[13:35] <cheche> They talk about modifing xorg.conf
[13:35] <cheche> Driver "sis"
[13:35] <cheche> Option "UseFBDev" "true"
[13:35] <vega> cheche: then you can just create one and ubuntu will use it
[13:35] <vega> (next time x starts)
[13:36] <red2kic> vega: notify-send "TEST" "$USER is lame"
[13:36] <red2kic> vega: Try that.
[13:36] <cheche> vega: ok, the sis driver seems broke for this system, so I guess that I better put vesa to work
[13:42] <cheche> What would be the rigth procedure to choose vesa a you X driver?
[13:42] <cheche> What would be the rigth procedure to choose vesa as you X driver?
[13:49] <avuton> Was mkfs.xfs not being included in the iso for the release candidate intentional?
[13:50] <cjs> Ok, so the alternate installer apparently doesn't install a grub that will boot from an LVM within an md.
[13:51] <cjs> Grrr.
[13:51] <cjs> I hate the way it takes doing a long, full install to find this out.
[13:52] <perlsyntax> Anyone have hard time install ubuntu 10.04 on a ibim r50e laptop?
[13:52] <cheche> perlsyntax: maybe you? :-)
[13:53] <lapion> whavideo chipset does the laptop have ?
[13:53] <perlsyntax> my ubuntu 9.10 work fine on it.
[13:54] <Rovanion> Is the Gallium3D driver for ATi r300 cards going to be included in Karmic?
[13:54] <perlsyntax> i burn the cd and all it does it loads and all i see is the icon on it.
[13:54] <Rovanion> Pardon me, Lucid
[13:54] <perlsyntax> any idea?
[13:55] <cheche> perlsyntax: maybe you can try with the alternate CD
[13:55] <perlsyntax> cheche any ideas?
[13:55] <perlsyntax> where can i get that?
[13:56] <perlsyntax> cheche,Where do i get that?
[13:56] <cheche> perlsyntax: I would use this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[13:56] <perlsyntax> thanks
[13:56] <cheche> lucid-alternate-i386.iso
[13:57] <perlsyntax> i worry it would work with the stable one when it come out.
[13:58] <perlsyntax> cheche is this the rc?
[14:01] <lapion> I have an uptime of 1 day and 20 hours with kms on a system with a i845 using i915 driver with kernel version 2.6.32-19 no hangcheck errors whatsoever..my wo4rkaround was setting the processor speed at a lower speed
[14:02] <shan3> hi all
[14:02] <shan3> Does 10.04 run /etc/rc.local at boot?
[14:03] <lapion> shan LuLy uses upstart
[14:03] <lapion> shan3,  LuLy uses upstart
[14:04] <kklimonda> it still should run rc.local
[14:04] <kklimonda> shan3: it does
[14:05] <shan3> Hm... After giving up on upstart I tried sticking my command on rc.local and it didn't start... running from terminal works fine though...
[14:07] <switchgirl> how come you cant ping freenode?
[14:07] <switchgirl> --- chat.freenode.net ping statistics ---11 packets transmitted, 0 received, +11 errors, 100% packet loss, time 10010ms
[14:09] <shan3> does Upstart or rc.local give an error or other log output?
[14:10] <shan3> kklimonda: ^
[14:10] <kklimonda> switchgirl: chat.freenode.net points on various servers, and each server have different policies about pings
[14:10] <kklimonda> shan3: not by default - you have to run it with --verbose or --debug
[14:10] <perlsyntax> What happon if i put 9.10 and when the stable one come out update-manager -d would that work?
[14:11] <perlsyntax> would that work out if not working on the cd?
[14:11] <cjs> Ok, so what's the proper way to set up a 10.4 server with RAID1?
[14:12] <perlsyntax> anyone?
[14:13] <cjs> perlsyntax: Yes, it should.
[14:13] <charlie-tca> perlsyntax, you won't need the -d when 10.04 releases. It is for -development releases
[14:13] <perlsyntax> thanks that what i going to do.
[14:14] <perlsyntax> i see
[14:17] <cheche> cjs: I think that the alternate install get a better support (I used on debian)
[14:21] <cjs> I've been trying that. Unfortunately, though the new grub is supposed to be able to boot from an LVM within an md, when I rebooted after the install, my system just spun its disks and didn't boot.
[14:22] <layo>  every time when i log out, and log in my resolution is change? i am using 10.04 RC, with nvidia GeForce 7300 GS
[14:23] <lapion> cjs there was an update just today that fixed md add bug
[14:25] <robbit10> Since Ubuntu+1 is still 2 days from release, is it ready for use on production machines?
[14:25] <patdk-wk> heh
[14:25] <patdk-wk> I wouldn't trust it on production till like june, but that is me :)
[14:26] <HagenaarsDotNu> robbit10, it should be OK, but my preference is to wait a bit longer (like patdk-wk says)
[14:26] <alvin> cjs: Did you by any chance have active snapshots?
[14:27] <HagenaarsDotNu> robbit10, do read the release notes and test on a similar system first though
[14:28] <robbit10> HagenaarsDotNu: Okay. Thanks :)
[14:29] <HagenaarsDotNu> robbit10: is there a reason you do not want 9.10 on the system?
[14:29] <patdk-wk> I like 9.10 a lot :)
[14:29] <patdk-wk> have it on almost all my production systems
[14:30] <lapion> servers?
[14:30] <layo> anyone?
[14:30] <patdk-wk> ya, 5 servers, 3 workstations, and have 8.04 on 4 other servers
[14:31] <robbit10> HagenaarsDotNu: Yes. 10.04 is an LTS release, and i want to install it on my Mac Mini, which is not easy.
[14:31] <patdk-wk> the only reason why I haven't upgraded those other 4 is cause they are xen
[14:31] <robbit10> I installed 9.10 once, but it didn't handle my Mac very well
[14:31] <lapion> with the workstations check if you like the new theme
[14:31] <layo> resolution set up in Gnome once, isn't kept over logoff/logon cycles or reboots
[14:31] <robbit10> Video driver issues, slow bootup, etcetera
[14:31] <nelliep_> Could anyone tell me if I can upgrade netbook remix from the alternate cd install?
[14:32] <lapion> why not net-upgrade ?
[14:32] <lapion> ?
[14:32] <HagenaarsDotNu> robbit10: first dry-run with the live-cd is my preferred method
[14:32] <nelliep_> my internet is unreliable but I can torrent over time
[14:33] <robbit10> HagenaarsDotNu: Dry-run?
[14:33] <cjs> alvin: I'm not sure what you mean by "active snapshots." It was just my first boot after an install.
[14:33] <HagenaarsDotNu> just boot the live-cd and run it for a while, see what it does, without changing your system
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:33] <cjs> What's the md add bug? That isn't the one related to booting in degraded mode, is it?
[14:34] <cjs> That one was in beta-2, but I'm using rc (downloaded earlier today).
[14:34] <cjs> I suspect that the issue was either a) lack of a biosgrub partition, or b) grub didn't have the LVM module built in.
[14:35] <alvin> cjs: Well, a lot of people using mdadm RAID use LVM on top. I took a snapshot and ran into bug 563895, but this is not confirmed yet. I can reproduce.
[14:35] <alvin> Do you see a grub recovery shell?
[14:35] <cjs> But no, that wouldn't explain why I never even got a grub command line or any message of any kind at all.
[14:35] <cjs> alvin: Nope. Flashing cursor in upper left hand corner of screen, and that's it. That's what was so frustrating about it. :-)
[14:36] <alvin> cjs: That's bad. There is not enough info at boot. We should be able to see something like "activating mdadm [OK]" and so on.
[14:36] <cjs> Anyway, my main question was really about booting. I'd intended to make the entire disk an md, put an LVM volgroup in there, and then boot from a volume in it. Which grub can do in theory. But I expect Ubuntu's not configured for this?
[14:36] <cjs> alvin: Is that a kernel message or grub message?
[14:36] <alvin> In the bug? That's a grub message.
[14:37] <alvin> cjs: What you want to do is perfectly possible in Karmic (and most previous Ubuntu versions)
[14:37] <cjs> Anyway, here' s my thought. I want a RAID-1 system needing minimal maintenance (i.e., one /boot partition, not two) that will boot from the second disk if I yank the first.
[14:37] <alvin> cjs: No longer necessary. grub will install on both disks anyway
[14:38] <cjs> alvin: Oh, really? 9.04 and earlier, at least, appeared to set up a separate /boot ext4 if you used LVM. As does this system in guided mode, it seems.
[14:38] <alvin> I don't see the need for separate /boot anymore when you use 1 big volume group on mdadm
[14:38] <Reckon> hello
[14:38] <blerk> im trying to set my rt8187 (1000mW) card higher than the default 200mW but I'm not allowed, is this the kernel blocking me? or something else
[14:38] <alvin> ah, guided mode. No, karmic had a bug (fixed now) that made systems with separate /boot unbootable
[14:38] <wiiguy> will 10.04 still eb fast on lower system with 2ghz and 512mb ram ?
[14:38] <cjs> So what I'm trying to do should work: 1 big md, 1 volgroup in it, and a boot volume inside of that?
[14:38] <Reckon> anyone could advice me where to get drivers for a logitech webcam?
[14:39] <alvin> cjs: Yes. I have some servers here that do exactly that (one of them Lucid)
[14:39] <alvin> but the Lucid one has the snapshot bug
[14:39] <cjs> alvin: Ok. So you reckon it's worth trying that again and debugging? Would you be willing to help me do that? I am not intimately familiar with grub.
[14:39] <cjs> What's the snapshot bug?
[14:39] <wiiguy> will 10.04 still eb fast on lower system with 2ghz and 512mb ram ????
[14:39] <alvin> bug 563895
[14:40] <cjs> Ah. So if I avoid snapshots (at least until the bug is fixed), I should be ok?
[14:40] <alvin> cjs: As far as possible yes. Do note that I didn't succeed in debugging that specific bug and nobody confirmed it yet.
[14:40] <alvin> cjs: Yes, but if you want: test a snapshot. I need that confirmation
[14:41] <cjs> alvin: I could possibly do that, but the first step is to get booting at all.
[14:41] <alvin> Well, I don't. I have sent the bug to Canonical. I have a server under contract that has mdadm RAID 1+ lvm and I fear it will go don on upgrade.
[14:41] <cjs> alvin: Should I try a non-RAID install, first, just to make sure it isn't something funny with my hardware, or just go ahead and do the RAID install again?
[14:41] <alvin> use the alternate CD and you should be set. Post troubles and questions here.
[14:42] <alvin> Oh, good question, but I would just go ahead and try the RAID.
[14:42] <cjs> alvin: I always use the alternate. So here we go. I have a pair of 2TB drives. I'm creating 1MB biosgrub partitions at the start of each disk, just for safety if nothing else. Reasonable?
[14:42] <alvin> Where did you find information about the biosgrub partition? I never heard of that.
[14:43] <cjs> Now I was planning to do this one with a pair of mds, one for /boot (containing ext4) and one for the LVM stuff.
[14:43] <alvin> Actually, I'm not sure why you would have a separate /boot
[14:43] <cjs> alvin: I'll try to track it down. It's needed for GPT partitioned systems because there's no longer 63 spare sectors between the partition table and where the data starts on the disk.
[14:43] <alvin> That was a good thing to do in the past, but now?
[14:44] <cjs> alvin: I'm contemplating a separate /boot because I'm nervous about grub being able to load from volumes within the LVM.
[14:44] <alvin> cjs: Ah, I did hear about that. Is it necessary when using LVM too?
[14:44] <alvin> So, you want the separate /boot outside of the LVM volume group?
[14:44] <cjs> alvin: A biosgrub? Yes, it's way way below the LVM layers; it's a BIOS-level thing.
[14:44] <cjs> alvin: That's what I was going to do.
[14:45] <alvin> I see. Well, grub2 should fix that problem. It undestands lvm and mdadm
[14:45] <cjs> In fact, I think I may just stick with that; I do need to use this machine in production eventually.
[14:45] <alvin> and mdadm can see disks (let me check)
[14:45] <patdk-wk> heh, I still haven't been able to get grub2 to understand my mdadm
[14:45] <patdk-wk> it always fails
[14:45] <cjs> alvin: That was my thought. Apparently the one that came with the 10.04 alternate CD didn't, though. There is a module you need to put into grub....
[14:45] <patdk-wk> so currently I have /boot on a flash drive :(
[14:46] <alvin> hmm, nope. I used partitions here. /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 are the partitions for mdadm. on top of that, /dev/md0 is pv for LVM
[14:46] <alvin> cjs: two modules, but they are there already
[14:46] <cjs> alvin: http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition
[14:47] <cjs> So it should have worked, then. I'm strongly suspecting it was the lack of the biosgrub partition, then....
[14:47] <alvin> aha. maybe
[14:47] <cjs> It's consistent with the behaviour: grub first stage loads, can't find second stage, dies.
[14:47] <cjs> Right?
[14:47] <alvin> I can't confirm with GPT
[14:48] <franck> hi all
[14:48] <alvin> This is for grub2 too? Messy.
[14:48] <mdlueck_> Lucid fully up-to-date, is GUI access to Samba shares broken again? I am getting the dreaded DBus error once again.
[14:48] <franck> i've a problem with lucid and kvm, vhost worked with 9.10 but crash with 10.04 with error on virsh # start QDEV_LINUX1
[14:48] <cjs> It would be for anything. Grub ain't going to fit in 512 bytes, and so the rest of it has to go somewhere....
[14:49] <franck> internal error unable to start guest: libvir: QEMU error : cannot change to '115' group: Operation not permitted
[14:49] <alvin> Real messy. We need to get rid of BIOS based booting, and fast.
[14:49] <franck> could you help me pease ?
[14:49] <franck> all are crash :(
[14:49] <cjs> alvin: Well, sure. Just figure out how to fit everything you need to find the grub second-stage (or even 1.5 stage) in a filesystem (rather than a partition) in 512 bytes, and we're set. :-)
[14:50] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't even have a partition table on most of my drives
[14:51] <alvin> I was pretty happy when I found out you can use disks as LVM physical volumes, just like ZFS does. But the booting part is always a problem. It's waiting for btrfs.
[14:51] <patdk-wk> alvin, I was testing openfiler, and tried that
[14:52] <alvin> me neither. Partition tables are a thing of the past. (we will probably still say that in 20 years...)
[14:52] <patdk-wk> openfiler wires a partition table on all drives it find, no matter what :(
[14:52] <cjs> Ah, so you're thinking abandon the DOS partition table/GPT as well. But a lot of modern BIOSes won't boot without one any more. I used to run all my NetBSD systems without a DOS partition table, and had to abandon that practice.
[14:52] <franck> nobody for kvm problem  ?
[14:52] <patdk-wk> cjs, with 15+ drives in my system, only two have a mpt :)
[14:53] <mdlueck_> Anyone testing current Lucid GUI access to Samba shares and having success?
[14:53] <alvin> Yes, for that reason my file server boots from a simple USB stick. Installed Ubuntu on the stick (slow) and put 4 2TB drives in raid5.
[14:53] <patdk-wk> mdlueck, I can test that right now :)
[14:54] <mdlueck_> patdk-wk: Thanks!
[14:54] <patdk-wk> mdlueck, test to windows 2003? 2008? hardy samba?
[14:54] <mdlueck_> patdk-wk: I get the dreaded DBus error. My Samba PDC is running on 9.04
[14:55] <patdk-wk> nope, just worked
[14:55] <mdlueck_> hhhmmm
[14:55] <patdk-wk> lucid -> samba on 8.04
[14:55] <cjs> Oh, bugger. The installer isn't newfs'ing my /boot partition!
[14:55] <mdlueck_> I get a DBus timeout error almost instantly after I send the password
[14:56] <patdk-wk> I didn't get anything, just mapped and popped up the drive, after the password
[14:56] <mdlueck_> I guess I will IPL
[14:56] <cjs> I suppose I'll just format it manually.
[14:57] <alvin> cjs: Keep us posted about that installation
[14:58] <cjs> alvin: Oh, I will. :-)
[14:58] <mdlueck_> IPL, same thing. Pops back right away that there was no response. I have made sure that VB is set to bridge mode networking.
[14:59] <cjs> Ok, not only does it not newfs /dev/md0, it wipes out my newfs that I did while in the partitioning menu.
[14:59] <jeffhaas> Hi, Please let me know  if there is a better channel for this question.  I am contemplating an upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4, if there is a fix for my broadcom wireless card.  Currently I am using Broadcom STA wireless driver, which has found my hardware, but the network manager will not connect as it should.  It could be the wireless definition in ubnuntu 9.10 is eth2.  I have been through the forums, and tried all the twiki helps on this, s
 o I was hoping a solution will come with the new version of ubuntu.  I have Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller.  Thanks for the help ahead of time.  Cheers, Jeff
[15:00] <cjs> Ok, so at the error message, I'll just newfs it myself, mount it on /target/boot myself, and then carry on.
[15:01]  * Typh is a newf
[15:01] <cjs> Well, it got upset and claimed I had to go back and do the partitioning step again, but now I get a "yes, format it" option when looking at md0 on boot.
[15:02] <cjs> But it still doesn't come up in the !@#$ list of partitions that will be formatted when I continue. Argh.
[15:02] <alvin> Hmm, and can you use it as physical volume for LVM yet?
[15:02] <Typh> so, despite there being 295 bugs, is lucid still ready for a release?
[15:03] <cjs> Huh. Deleting it and re-creating it in the partitions list in the installer finally seems to have done it.
[15:03] <alvin> Typh: Lol, only 295? Doesn't sound too bad.
[15:03] <mattgyver> Good morning, Im planning on upgrading from 9.04 to 10.04 on Thur, however I have software raids configured, will these be preserved in the update?
[15:03] <mdlueck_> patdk-wk: How did you map the Samba share? Via the "Places > Connect to server" interface, or via the "Places > Network" interface?
[15:03] <cjs> mattgyver: Certainly.
[15:03] <Typh> I mean, not really. A lot are edge case. I just wasn't sure, with "critical" bugs still logged, if that would affect release
[15:04] <patdk-wk> connect to server
[15:04] <mattgyver> cjs thanks, this is the first time ive actually had a software raid but just wanted to make sure.
[15:04] <cjs> mattgyver: Assuming that they're not some terribly funny configuration or something like that.
[15:04] <mattgyver> cjs, naah.
[15:04] <franck> problems with kvm/qemu/libvirt ... anyone can help me plaase ?
[15:04] <cjs> mattgyver: Still, do make sure that you have backups and a restoration plan.
[15:04] <mdlueck_> patdk-wk: hhhmmm, I got success via Network once I had updated my workgroup name in smb.conf. Still get the error via Connect to server
[15:04] <cjs> (And plenty of time.)
[15:04] <patdk-wk> mdlueck, browsing the network works ok for me too
[15:04] <alvin> I still don't know whether snapshots are considered 'funny'.
[15:05] <jmcs> I'm having some permissions problems. Most of the times I can't mount external devices and use sound, but sometimes when i reboot after an update both things work
[15:05] <mattgyver> cjs, yeah i have the backups in order in the event of a disaster, and time :)
[15:05] <jeffhaas> so does anyone know about 10.4 if it improves the network issues?
[15:06] <alvin> Typh: About the bugs. I wouldn't know. A lot of people care about the ugly new boot screen (ugly when using nvida/ati). I don't consider that critical, but it sure gets a lot of attention from users/bug reporters. I reported some boot issues, but you can hear *cricket*, *cricket* in those bug reports. 'Critical' is in the eye of the beholder.
[15:06] <patdk-wk> improves network issues?
[15:06] <patdk-wk> I never had network issues, ever :)
[15:06] <alvin> patdk-wk: Then try Jaunty/Karmic booting with NFS mount points configured
[15:07] <cjs> alvin: I'm almost certain now I also wasn't done with my mirror rebuild before I rebooted after the last install. Should I expect to reboot after install just fine with a dirty md?
[15:07] <cjs> It seems like it wouldn't be optimal practice....
[15:07] <jeffhaas> have you used an n type wireless card without issue?
[15:07] <alvin> cjs: Short answer: yes. But your rebuild will restart
[15:07] <cjs> Ok, that's fine, then.
[15:07] <alvin> watch -n 10 cat /proc/mdadm to watch it
[15:08] <cjs> Yup. I'm just thinking, I'd rather debug boot problems right away, rather than first waiting for a 2TB rebuild to complete. :-)
[15:08] <alvin> s/mdadm/mdstat ...
[15:08] <patdk-wk> alvin, I do :)
[15:08] <patdk-wk> I netboot nfs root my bedroom computer, every night
[15:09] <patdk-wk> it has no harddrive, usb, ... in it
[15:09] <alvin> Hmm, NFS root probably works better.
[15:10] <patdk-wk> oh normal nfs mountpoints?
[15:10] <patdk-wk> hmm, I stopped using them back in jaunty, and started using autofs to do it, easier
[15:10] <alvin> I haven't seen NFS issues with Lucid either. Seems like this time, LVM is going down (but I can see that it is being fixed)
[15:10] <alvin> yes
[15:11] <patdk-wk> the only *issue* I have, is autofs and nfs root don't get along to well, and sometimes autofs starts before things are writable, and needs to be restarted
[15:29] <jones-> Hello. I've upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and my Wacom Intuos4 doesn't work anymore. I hear that dropping HAL and switching to Xorg 1.7 may be the cause. Does anyone know if I can get it working again?
[15:34] <coz_> good day all
[15:35] <jrib> hi, does the alternate cd offer any more options encryption-wise than the desktop cd?
[15:36] <coz_> jrib,  I dont think so  guy... the alternate cd ...as far as i know...provides a different install procedure
[15:37] <jrib> coz_: ok thanks, I believe a few releases it did and was pretty sure that was no longer the case, figured I would double check before downloading
[15:37] <coz_> jrib,  well dont take my word as the last one.. I havent used the alternate cd for some time
[15:38] <jrib> coz_: hmm, I'll just grab the alternate then and be done with it
[15:38] <thiebaude> the alternate cd uses a text based installer
[15:38] <thiebaude> :)
[15:40] <SirFunk> If i upgrade to the RC.. it'll update to final via apt-get without any messing around, right?
[15:40] <cjs> Well, here we go to see if it boots this time.
[15:40] <jrib> SirFunk: yes
[15:40] <coz_> jrib,  as I recall ,, because the alternate is text based... it allows installation on systems with less memory.... but .. there may be options that are listed in the alternate that are not apparent on the live cd
[15:41] <wastrel> alternate <3
[15:41] <SirFunk> now.. the big question... should i "upgrade" from jaunty or do a clean install.. hmmm
[15:41] <cjs> Suck. alvin?
[15:41] <SirFunk> sorry, karmic rather
[15:41] <coz_> SirFunk,  in all honesty    Never  upgrade  always clean install
[15:41] <wastrel> you should upgrade to koala and then to 10.04 if you do it
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> SirFunk: jaunty?
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> it works but it's a big jump
[15:41] <SirFunk> i meant karmic
[15:41] <coz_> with bigger risks in my opinion
[15:41] <jrib> SirFunk: I'm doing a fresh install because I figure it's not worth having to jump through a release (karmic)
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> direct upgrade
[15:41] <thiebaude> i do a clean install
[15:41] <SirFunk> ... my only worry in doing a clean install is if it's goign to be a pain to get my md5 raid back up
[15:42] <coz_> SirFunk,  ah  mmm
[15:42] <cjs> SirFunk: tell me about it!
[15:42] <SirFunk> i mean if i backup my /etc... that should contain any files i need to re-config the raid... i think
[15:42] <SirFunk> it's been a long time since i set it up
[15:43] <coz_> SirFunk,  well  a clean install affords you the confort of knowing that any bugs and glitches are from the new version and not as a result of the upgrade
[15:43] <kde185> will firefox be compiled with PGO support?
[15:43] <SirFunk> coz_: yeah, i think i would prefer clean install
[15:43] <alvin> cjs: It didn't work?
[15:44] <coz_> SirFunk,  even though you it may be paint to get that up and running again  ...troubleshooting upgrade issues are a major pain :)
[15:44] <cjs> alvin: exact same issue. After the BIOS screen, I get a blinking cursor in the upper left-hand corner and it just sits there.
[15:44] <SirFunk> are there any known issues with 10.04 and ati drivers?
[15:44] <coz_> SirFunk,  paint = pain
[15:44] <alvin> cjs: Bah. That gets us nowhere. We need logging.
[15:44] <cjs> So I guess I boot up the CD and try to debug from there?
[15:44] <alvin> Did you try booting in rescue mode?
[15:45] <cjs> alvin: you mean booting the CD in rescue mode?
[15:45] <vega> about boot time logging, is it possible to enable server-type bootup logging on desktop ?
[15:45] <alvin> No, choosing that other option in grub. Is it single user mode?
[15:45] <alvin> The one where you can get a root shell
[15:45] <vega> i'm also not very satisfied with bootup loggnig..
[15:45] <cjs> alvin: I get no grub menu at all.
[15:46] <alvin> left shift does not work?
[15:46] <vega> cjs: you need to tap shift during boot, or was it esc.. keeps changing
[15:46] <cjs> As I said, after the BIOS boot screen, I just get the blinking cursor. It really looks like the first stage isn't working for whatever reason.
[15:46] <cjs> I tried Esc.
[15:47] <vega> yea, it used to be esc, not someone changed it to left shift, for whatever reason
[15:47] <cjs> So if I hold down left-shift, that may bring up a menu? Does the default server install no longer give the prompt?
[15:47] <vega> not=now
[15:47] <cjs> Ok, let me try that.
[15:47] <alvin> cjs: yes
[15:48] <cjs> Nope, no love there.
[15:49] <alvin> press shift longer :-) I know it's there
[15:49] <vega> or just tap it repeatedly..
[15:49] <cjs> I am almost certain here that it's not loading the second stage, which is what would react to that.
[15:49] <cjs> Hm. This might be bad. I just noticed my BIOS configured SATA as IDE instead of AHCI.
[15:51] <alvin> Try AHCI, but I doubt it will make any difference
[15:51] <alvin> cjs: They are talking about the same (maybe) problem in ubuntu-server
[15:52] <cjs> Hm. Any thoughts on what it might be?
[15:54] <QueenZ> is it recommended to download Ubuntu 10.04 as soon as it comes out or should i wait?
[15:55] <jpds> QueenZ: Entirely up to you.
[15:55] <QueenZ> jpds: will it be stable?
[15:55] <jpds> QueenZ: Is software ever stable?
[15:55] <QueenZ> jpds: hmm... good point
[15:56] <cjs> alvin: Hm. I wonder if it's related to an old BIOS? This does date from 2008....
[15:56] <alvin> cjs: Probably not. 2008 is not that old. I'm running this setup on machines that are older.
[15:56] <cjs> Yeah, I didn't think it was likely.
[15:57] <cjs> Hm. Well, I suppose I'll start by looking at the boot sectors, and maybe re-installing grub....
[15:57] <robbit10> I tried booting up the LiveCD of the 10.04 RC, but it showed me an icon with the accesibility symbol and a keyboard symbol. What does that mean?
[15:57] <robbit10> It showed nothing else, only that icon.
[15:58] <gokul> Hi
[15:58] <gokul> i fresh installed lucid
[15:58] <gokul> and lost bootloader entries
[15:58] <gokul> for windows. how do i add it ?? there is no menu.lst as found in karmic
[16:00] <z0rt|work> gokul: which windows?
[16:00] <gokul> win seven
[16:00] <cjs> Oh! I have an empty /boot!
[16:00] <gokul> z0rt|work, windows seven
[16:01] <bankix> Hi.
[16:01] <spanther> Hi there. Need a method to install this device driver "02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002c (rev 01)" from my 1005p eeepc netbook please :)
[16:01] <alvin> cjs: You forgot to mount boot at /boot during install?
[16:01] <cjs> alvin: I think I'm seeing issues. What does it mean when df claims that /dev/md0 is mounted on /boot, but df is giving me free space figures from / instead?
[16:01] <z0rt|work> grub2 uses a different manner of config
[16:01] <bankix> I've got trouble unmounting a partition from a USB drive via desktop icon in Lucid (10.04rc). I only find the context-menu-entry for removing the entire drive, but none to unmount only that single partition. Any help?
[16:01] <cjs> alvin: No, the install appeared to deal with it correctly. Anyway, if someone forgot, it was the installer, not me. I told it to in the partitioning setup.
[16:02] <alvin> Do you have 2 /boot partitions? Or are they mdadm RAID1 too?
[16:02] <z0rt|work> gokul: grub2's config is located @ /etc/default/grub
[16:02] <bankix> The only workaround (without using the console) I found is to open the file manager and eject the partition in the "places" column using the eject symbol.
[16:02] <cjs> ok, well that was weird. So I went to unmount it, and it said it wasn't mounted. I mount /dev/md0 on /boot, and now it looks ok.
[16:02] <nmobix> guys how do i change the resolution of the Virtual Terminal in Lucid?
[16:03] <cjs> It's a raid1 as well. /dev/md0 is /boot (ext4fs) and /dev/md1 is LVM (containing root and swap).
[16:03] <gokul> z0rt|work, how to add windows seven entries... ? i dont find menu.lst as found in karmic koala
[16:03] <alvin> ah, smells like a mountall issue. Let me see: bug 561390 ? (not sure)
[16:03] <z0rt|work> gokul: /etc/default/grub is the replacement for menu.lst
[16:04] <alvin> There's also bug 527666. Matches the description of a lot of other bugs too, because this one is fixed.
[16:04] <nmobix> I have the problem that when I resume after suspend, the virtual terminals (CTRL+ALT+F[1...6]) are unreadable. How do I reset them to their original state. I have a HP dv5000, with an ATI X200M card?
[16:05] <alvin> cjs: In ubuntu-server, someone can also not find /boot
[16:05] <z0rt|work> gokul: did you run update-grub as superuser/root?
[16:05] <cjs> Hm. Well, it was a weird thing, but perhaps rescue doesn't mount it by default?
[16:05] <gokul> z0rt|work, running now
[16:05] <cjs> Though why df thought it was mounted is mysterious.
[16:06] <gokul> z0rt|work, i mean, it was running when i made the reply before the last reply
[16:06] <cjs> I do have "/boot was on /dev/md0 during installation" in my fstab.
[16:06] <robbit10> Did anyone read my message?
[16:06] <robbit10> Can I repeat it please?
[16:06] <cjs> And the UID=... in /etc/fstab matches the UID blkid gives me for md0.
[16:06] <gokul> z0rt|work, it found win7
[16:06] <gokul> z0rt|work, thanks
[16:07] <alvin> rescue should mount /boot in all cases
[16:07] <alvin> ah, UUID? Your LVM volumes are mounted by UUID?
[16:07] <z0rt|work> sweet i helped somebody
[16:07] <mdlueck_> I just came across a bug that according to LaunchPad has been fixed as of "Intrepid development cycle"... why is it still in current Lucid? Shall I reopen the old bug, or open a new bug and reference the old one?
[16:07]  * z0rt|work plays a wicked guitar solo
[16:07] <robbit10> I guess not.. okay, here goes:
[16:07] <robbit10> I tried booting up the LiveCD of the 10.04 RC, but it showed me an icon with the accesibility symbol and a keyboard symbol. It showed only that, and didn't go any further. What does that mean?
[16:07] <alvin> cjs: I filed bug 563117 for that. You better change them to /dev/mapper/...
[16:08] <cjs> alvin: LVM is not, just /boot.
[16:08] <z0rt|work> robbit10: so you have no login prompt or anything but those icons?
[16:08] <alvin> cjs: Right. That is consistent with default installs
[16:08] <bankix> robbit10: Press Escape or F1 key when these symbols are shown.
[16:08] <ratcheer> robbit10: Try pressing the Enter key when you see that.
[16:08] <alvin> I wasn't thinking. It's not an LVM volume
[16:08] <bankix> robbit10: Then you get the boot menu
[16:08] <alvin> cjs: Might be a regression of bug 462961?
[16:08] <cjs> alvin: So I can "mount /boot" just fine; fstab is correct.
[16:09] <bankix> robbit10: Okay, obviously you could press any key you want to see the boot menu :-)
[16:09] <alvin> If you can mount manually, it's usually a mountall issue. Let's search for existing bugs there
[16:09] <robbit10> bankix & racheer: Okay, i'll try that. I'll be back if it doesn't work though.
[16:09] <doobry> hi, oretty minor issue, but whenever i open a site that used the totem movie player plugin the volume it set to 0, it works fine if you open the control panel and increase the volume for that app, but it resets when you open another page
[16:10] <cjs> alvin: Mmmmm...doesn't really look like it. Remember, I get no error messages at all.
[16:10] <bankix> Does anybody know something about my unmounting problem with the desktop icon?
[16:11] <alvin> In ubuntu server, you will see no error messages from mountall. That is bug 563916
[16:12] <cjs> alvin: so you're worried about the improper mount of /boot when the rescue disk started?
[16:12] <cjs> It did explicitly say that only root was mounted, and I'd have to mount anything else myself.
[16:12] <alvin> Yes, I'm worried about the improper mount of /boot in any case. It should always be mounted during boot
[16:12] <alvin> Let me think
[16:13] <cjs> Just to be clear, I booted from the CD, chose "rescue" and then popped into a shell using the hard disk LVM rot.
[16:13] <alvin> Yes, you're right. In recovery mode, /boot will not be mounted. That is normal.
[16:13] <alvin> I was wrong there.
[16:13] <nmobix> I have the problem that when I resume after suspend, the virtual terminals (CTRL+ALT+F[1...6]) are unreadable. How do I reset them to their original state. I have a HP dv5000, with an ATI X200M card?
[16:13] <bankix> robbit10: Did you see the boot menu?
[16:13] <robbit10> Well, that didn't work. It shows a purple screen with two icons: "<keyboard icon> = <accesability icon>"
[16:14] <robbit10> so it shows two icons with an "=" in the middle
[16:14] <cjs> alvin: So I'm not particularly worried about potential userland problems at this point. Once I've got a grub menu, and can load a kernel, I'll quickly see if there are any further issues.
[16:14] <alvin> bug shift does not show you grub? In that case, it's time for SUPERGRUBDISK
[16:15] <cjs> My suspicion is that perhaps grub-install didn't get the bios_grub stuff installed properly. But that's an awfully bad bug to have escaped at this point in a release....
[16:15] <bankix> robbit10: So you pressed the Escape/F1/Enter key _immediately_ after the icons show up? Withing let's say two seconds?
[16:15] <cjs> Ah, you think? Hmm.
[16:15] <robbit10> bankix: yes
[16:15] <robbit10> bankix: It just hangs on the purple screen
[16:15] <cjs> alvin: Can I just use the grub on the install disk, or need I burn a new one? I take it you want me to make sure that grub's second stage can find my boot partition?