[08:39] <priest> can someone recommend a webcam which ubuntu support?
[08:39] <delire> nova: wow, weird. ok.
[08:39] <student> hi guy
[08:39] <nova> one sec
[08:40] <vanberge> thoreauputic, thanks   :-)
[08:40] <delire> nova: all we have to do is get rid of those mesa packages.
[08:40] <Amaranth> nova: Is X using the fglrx driver?
[08:40] <mjr> by the way, anyone have hibernation working on amd64?
[08:40] <Amaranth> delire: No, mesa packages make up the base of OpenGL support in X.
[08:40] <scoon> errr, i just want gcc 3.4 as my default compiler
[08:41] <nova> should i be useing ctrl alt backspace to restart x or?
[08:41] <Amaranth> scoon: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 && sudo rm /usr/bin/gcc && sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[08:41] <Amaranth> nova: Did you update X to use the fglrx driver?
[08:41] <delire> nova: yep do that. with glxinfo we need to see OpenGL vendor string ati technologies or similar
[08:41] <nova> in xorg.conf yeh
[08:42] <delire> Amaranth: and it's loaded.
[08:42] <Amaranth> logging out would be better than ctrl-alt-bscp
[08:42] <delire> nova: are you using gnome or kde or..?
[08:42] <Chetic> The Ubuntu install will let me create new partitions and such, right?
[08:42] <nova> kde
[08:42] <Amaranth> err, bksp
[08:42] <nova> easy swap to gnome though if needed
[08:42] <delire> nova: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:42] <Amaranth> nova: what kind of card do you have?
[08:43] <nova> direct rendering: No
[08:43] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:43] <vanberge> hmm... still cant play dvd with xine :-(
[08:43] <nova> ati 9k pro 128 meg agp
[08:43] <Amaranth> vanberge: use vlc
[08:43] <scoon> Amaranth, ah, the old brute force method.
[08:43] <scoon> thx
[08:43] <IIIEars> lsmod commoncap 1  compatibility   (google is a tangle on this)
[08:43] <Amaranth> nova: lmao, X has open source drivers for your card
[08:43] <delire> Amaranth: we compiled and installed the proprietary ati drivers
[08:43] <eflynn> Hi, really quick question... how do i select a repository for a package using apt-get
[08:43] <Amaranth> nova: change the driver in x.org back to ati
[08:43] <delire> Amaranth: they don't offer pixel and vertex shaders
[08:43] <nalioth> Chetic: yes there are partition editors included
[08:44] <delire> Amaranth: that's his problem.
[08:44] <IIIEars> what is commoncap?
[08:44] <delire> Amaranth: he needs GLSL support for his games
[08:44] <crouton> eflynn: using synaptic?
[08:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: commonclap is what you get from commonhos
[08:44] <eflynn> crouton, no... apt-get
[08:44] <vanberge> xine should play dvd's, correct?
[08:44] <IIIEars> lol - okay
[08:44] <vanberge> i'd rather fix the problem then to just switch programs
[08:44] <mjr> vanberge, yes (if you install the required libraries like libdvdcss
[08:44] <delire> nova: what driver were you running before the fglrx? ati or vesa?
[08:44] <Amaranth> what game _depends_ on shaders that actually works on a 9k?
[08:44] <crouton> eflynn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the line that you desire
[08:44] <nova> rubies is d3d running on cedega
[08:45] <wizzard> y0
[08:45] <eflynn> crouton, that's not the issue
[08:45] <nova> well i was useing the ones xorg-fglrx or what ever
[08:45] <delire> Amaranth: others have had the same problem with 'rubies'
[08:45] <crouton> eflynn: you want to select a specific repository when downloading a package?
[08:45] <wizzard> is here anybody with Kubuntu distro?
[08:45] <eflynn> crouton, yeah
[08:45] <vanberge> mjr, i did... i't still not playing them :-(
[08:45] <nova> that why im wondering if maybe i should remove all the fglrx go back to defaults
[08:45] <Amaranth> wizzard: #kubuntu might be more help
[08:45] <eflynn> wait i found it in a man page
[08:45] <nova> and install the converted rpm from scratch
[08:45] <thoreauputic> wizzard: there's a #kubuntu
[08:45] <Amaranth> nova: you should have installed the driver from apt-get
[08:46] <delire> nova: i suspect you're still running the old driver.
[08:46] <wizzard> thank you very much
[08:46] <nova> Amaranth, i get messed up models and frame rate just below whats playable
[08:46] <maltje> test
[08:46] <delire> Amaranth: sigh. why should he? the ati way works. i've helped two or three dozen this way here.
[08:47] <nova> if i could get fully playable frame rate even with the messed up models id be happy for now
[08:47] <crouton> well.. i recompile totem-xine from source, I got the proprietary plugins tab, and it still won't play mp3 files.
[08:47] <delire> nova: check to see if you are still running the old driver, 'ati'
[08:47] <nova> in xorg it is loading fglrx
[08:48] <delire> nova: lsmod | grep ati
[08:48] <delire> nova: anything?
[08:48] <nova> no output
[08:48] <Chetic> How much of an obstacle will my PCI-E ATi X800XL video card be with Ubuntu?
[08:48] <delire> nova: cool. i would cd into /lib/modules/fglrx and sh make_install.sh again
[08:49] <delire> nova: then i'd try a reboot to be sure you're actually leaving and returning to X
[08:50] <Scorpinf> still no DMA on the dvd-r burner.... how can i fix this, don't make me go Windows on you guys :-P
[08:50] <nova> on 3 lines from make intall creating symlink - recreating module dependency list - trying a sample load of the kernel module
[08:50] <nova> that all look right delire ?
[08:50] <nova> no errors were returned
[08:50] <nova> just that
[08:51] <Dent> "You have been redirected"...
[08:51] <delire> nova: sure, no errors. try a restart. aside from that i don't know why X isn't taking ati's opengl. to be sure you can uncomment out the DRI block in your /etc/xorg.conf
[08:51] <Scorpinf> crimsun: any more ideas on how to get DMA working, it's totally dead like Linux will be if it can't handle dma
[08:52] <delire> nova: /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. i meant to say
[08:52] <crouton> !restricted
[08:52] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:52] <Scorpinf> or any1
[08:52] <nova> uncomment out?
[08:53] <rg58sma> hi i need help
[08:53] <rg58sma> with apache and ftp
[08:53] <delire> nova: try a reboot for now, we can look at that later.
[08:53] <nova> k
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: I take it sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd returns errors?
[08:53] <Scorpinf> thoreauputic: yepp
[08:53] <thoreauputic> :(
[08:54] <eflynn> Scorpinf, what does it say?
[08:54] <carlk4> did the BT tracker just go down again (like the channel topic still says)
[08:54] <vanberge> i think i have to enable ultra dma on my dvd drive...
[08:54] <Scorpinf> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:54] <Scorpinf>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:54] <Scorpinf>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:54] <vanberge> dvd's play, but very choppy
[08:54] <rg58sma> hiii
[08:55] <eflynn> Scorpinf, hdparm -i /dev/dvd
[08:56] <johan_> i dont have mplayer-amd64 in my source where can i find it
[08:56] <Scorpinf> eflynn:  Model=_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG, FwRev=2.18, SerialNo=
[08:56] <jldugger> scorp, and of course, you need super user privledges, so use sudo or whatnot
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  Config={ Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  IORDY=yes, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  AdvancedPM=no
[08:56] <tritium> Scorpinf, please don't paste so much
[08:56] <rg58sma> hi i need help
[08:56] <vanberge> lol
[08:56] <rg58sma> with apache and ftp
[08:56] <johan_> there is #flood
[08:56] <jldugger> dude, your drive is using udma
[08:56] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: what's wrong?
[08:56] <Scorpinf> ok
[08:56] <Karny> hi
[08:56] <crouton> reka,nalioth: gstreamer fixed mp3 playback, partially.
[08:57] <Karny> can anyone help me with a networking question?
[08:57] <nalioth> crouton: lame and liblame
[08:57] <rg58sma> i cant see my page in anocher pc
[08:57] <rg58sma> please in
[08:57] <crouton> nalioth: that didn't do it
[08:57] <jldugger> scorp, last i checked the astrix indicates what is currently in use. you're already using udma2
[08:57] <Dent> udma = teh gudeness
[08:57] <DooMRunneR> where can i change the soundserver-settings in totem?
[08:57] <johan_> i dont have mplayer-amd64 in my source where can i find it
[08:57] <rg58sma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:57] <Scorpinf> jldugger, how come nero complains about dma not being activated?
[08:57] <eflynn> jldugger, yeah but hdparm says otherwise... it's supported but not enabled
[08:58] <Chetic> What problems will I have with my PCI Express X800-series ATi card?
[08:58] <jldugger> that's hdparm output right there, no?
[08:58] <Scorpinf> got damn headake to turn on DMA
[08:58] <levander> Chetic: lol, wouldn't we all like to know that before we start a project
[08:58] <eflynn> jldugger, it's NOT enabled.  It's supported though
[08:58] <Karny> okay... well I guess I'll just ask...
[08:58] <jldugger> fine
[08:58] <Chetic> levander, you're saying I'm screwed? :\
[08:59] <Kartagis> hi
[08:59] <Scorpinf> thank god for usability in linux... no wait there is none  lol
[08:59] <Karny> i've got a wirless router and a wireless pcmcia card in my notebook and it all works fine
[08:59] <rg58sma> Http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[08:59] <Dent> Scorpinf: hukhuk!

[08:59] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: it depends...
[08:59] <eflynn> Scorpinf, try going into the bios... but i don't know what else to say.  Could also be a kernel issue.  what kernel do you have?
[08:59] <sproingie> dma is usually disabled for cdroms in linux distros
[08:59] <levander> Chetic: no, i've never tried, just thought your question was funny, that's what i always ask when i start a project, and almost always, you don't know until you try
[08:59] <Dent> linux doesn't work, you should just go back to XP, man.
[08:59] <sproingie> you need to recompile a new kernel to get it back on i think
[08:59] <Scorpinf> latest version of ubuntu
[08:59] <Chetic> levander, shit >_>
[08:59] <nalioth> crouton: i ended up installin ever damdangled gstreamer plugin i could find
[09:00] <thoreauputic> sproingie: erm, no
[09:00] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem with telnetting in. can you help me guys?
[09:00] <Karny> is it possible to configure my laptop as a router/switch so that i can connect my xbox using my ethernet nic?
[09:00] <Scorpinf> eflynn: how do i check kernel version
[09:00] <Chetic> Do X800 cards even work in linux today?
[09:00] <rg58sma> i have problem with Ftp
[09:00] <rg58sma> what is the problem
[09:00] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: what do you mean, you can't see it?  what did you do on the other PC to try to see it, and what did you see instead?
[09:00] <eflynn> Scorpinf, uname -r
[09:00] <sproingie> thoreauputic: i see "enable DMA only for disks" checked in my kernel config
[09:00] <levander> Kartagis: use ssh instead of telnet, telnet protocol is pretty much dying
[09:00] <levander> Kartagis: and, you tried to install a telnet server on the ubuntu box right?
[09:00] <HC|idler> it's not dying, telnet have it's purposes
[09:00] <nova> mesa must die!!!!
[09:00] <vanberge> if dma is not enabled on my dvd drive, what is the best way to do it
[09:00] <Kartagis> levander: yes
[09:01] <Scorpinf> eflynn: it's 2.6.10-5-386
[09:01] <HC|idler> Debugging sockets own with telnet
[09:01] <nova> heh still mesa .....
[09:01] <levander> HC|idler: fewer and fewer by the year
[09:01] <delire> nova  ok, three last things to try: 1) the ATI driver has its own internal AGP management for Intel chipsets. If you don't have an Intel chipset, you may need to change the "UseInternalAGPGART" option to "no" in the device section of the xorg.conf. 2) backup your xorg.conf and try fglrxconfig
[09:01] <sproingie> nc is replacing telnet's niche
[09:01] <thoreauputic> sproingie: usually hdparm will enable it for you, as above ( sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom or whatever)
[09:01] <Kartagis> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[09:01] <Kartagis> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[09:01] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '. <--- this is the state it freezes
[09:01] <Dent> thoreauputic: what about -c1
[09:01] <delire> nova: fglrxconfig will generate a new config for you, the ati way.
[09:01] <rg58sma> i try to put my ftp server and web server
[09:01] <nova> k
[09:01] <Dent> Kartagis: hit Ctrl+]
[09:01] <signius> Hello all
[09:01] <delire> nova:  'lsmod | grep agp'
[09:01] <nova> i got a back up in my home dir
[09:01] <rg58sma> but when put my adress in navigator i cant see my page
[09:01] <delire> nova: see any agp drivers loaded?
[09:02] <jldugger> Scorpinf, you might try the nero help forum: http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104
[09:02] <nova> sis_agp                 8132  1
[09:02] <nova> agpgart                33704  1 sis_agp
[09:02] <signius> wow first time trying to use irc and also managedto get straight into the room i wanted :-)
[09:02] <eflynn> Scorpinf, do you have an athlon or intel?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Dent: I haven't actually tried it on  my drive , as it works fine with -d 1
[09:02] <Kartagis> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[09:02] <Kartagis> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[09:02] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '.
[09:02] <Kartagis> ^]
[09:02] <Scorpinf> intel
[09:02] <Kartagis> that's it
[09:02] <Scorpinf> eflynn: intel
[09:02] <rg58sma> my ip change everithing,
[09:02] <sproingie> thoreauputic: ah yes, you're right ... i forget the kernel option's just a default
[09:02] <delire> nova: try a sudo rmmod on those and restart x. that may be enough
[09:02] <levander> Kartagis: we saw that, pastebin stuff you copy and paste
[09:02] <rg58sma> everytime
[09:02] <rg58sma> that is the problem??
[09:02] <rg58sma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:02] <rg58sma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:02] <rg58sma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:02] <rg58sma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:02] <delire> nova: i don't use agpgart, but ati's own internal agp
[09:02] <nova> hmm
[09:03] <signius> has anyone here managed to get a gps unit working with kismet with the gps unit connected via a usb-serial adapter ?
[09:03] <eflynn> Scorpinf, try sudo apt-get install linux-image.  pick one that says 686 on it.  or use synaptic.  either way you can update your kernel
[09:03] <toxicfume> hi all
[09:03] <nova> how to do rmmod on them
[09:03] <nova> ?
[09:03] <nova> im mostly new to linux in general
[09:03] <delire> nova: sudo rmmod agpgart
[09:03] <delire> nova: you're doing well ;)
[09:03] <delire> nova: etc..
[09:03] <Kartagis> levander: so, what can I do?
[09:03] <toxicfume> is it possible to have gnome and KDE on ubuntu simultaneously? I mean in a single ubuntu installation on a single partition?
[09:03] <Jormundgand> Yes.
[09:03] <sproingie> yes, easily
[09:03] <thoreauputic> toxicfume: sure
[09:04] <nova> Module agpgart is in use by sis_agp
[09:04] <nalioth> toxicfume: yes
[09:04] <Scorpinf> eflynn: ok, but ill check the forum first
[09:04] <toxicfume> that's good to know
[09:04] <delire> nova: rmmod both at the same time
[09:04] <levander> Kartagis: no idea, gotta read, try to figure out what telnet is doing on the server at that point
[09:04] <nalioth> toxicfume: plus other WMs of your choice
[09:04] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: you probably are getting different ip addresses because your ISP is assigning them to you; you could get better service somewhere else most likely.  or maybe even from the same ISP for more money.
[09:04] <toxicfume> but now, ubuntu has a big problem detecting my laptop's hardware
[09:04] <levander> Kartagis: after you know what it's doing, then can maybe fix
[09:04] <Chetic> Do X800 cards even work in linux today?
[09:04] <johan_> how do i get gpg for my new sources
[09:04] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: what address are you putting into what "navigator" and what do you see instead of your page?
[09:04] <jldugger> toxicfume, yes. you just can run ALL of both of them at the same time easily. i suppose if you had two monitors hooked up you could concievably run gnome on one and kde on the other. but it doesnt really matter.
[09:04] <sproingie> Chetic: they should, with the current ati driver
[09:04] <rg58sma> with Localhost
[09:04] <sTb> ich gehe joggen wer kommt mit?
[09:04] <jldugger> err just can't run ALL of both at the same time
[09:04] <nova> ERROR: Module sis_agp is in use
[09:04] <rg58sma> i see
[09:04] <nova> ERROR: Module agpgart is in use by sis_agp
[09:04] <Kartagis> levander: I'm trying to telnet my eggdrop
[09:04] <rg58sma> but with
[09:04] <rg58sma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <johan_> how do i get gpg for my new sources
[09:05] <levander> Kartagis: what's an eggdrop?
[09:05] <rg58sma> DOT WORK
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Chetic: have you tried googling "X800 linux support" or similar?
[09:05] <signius> wow this irc moves alot faster than yahoo
[09:05] <toxicfume> jldugger: thats interesting indeed, but only if ubuntu supporteed my laptop's hardware without a myriad of problems
[09:05] <Chetic> thoreauputic, no, I'm stupid :)
[09:05] <rg58sma> how to put my ip static?
[09:05] <delire> nova: leave X and do it from the console. also see what i said above about using the internal agp driver.
[09:05] <KragenSitaker> levander: eggdrop is an IRC bot
[09:05] <nalioth> sTb: kein sprechen deutch hier, gehts du #ubuntu-de
[09:05] <signius> can anyone help with help with getting my gps running with gpsd ?
[09:05] <Kartagis> levander: it's an IRC bot that sits like a user
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Chetic: heh - google is your friend, as they say ;)
[09:05] <nova> set to no?
[09:05] <jldugger> toxicfume, sorry but I dont know much about laptops and linux. your trick almost worked though
[09:06] <delire> nova: yes
[09:06] <nova> k
[09:06] <nova> ill try the no first then the other
[09:06] <toxicfume> jldugger: it wasn't a trick at all
[09:06] <delire> sure. then restart x and see
[09:06] <nova> also earlyer some how i managed to make x use xorg.conf in my home dir
[09:06] <jldugger> whatever.  im still adding it to my book of tricks.
[09:07] <nova> intresting accident would like to know how to repeat
[09:07] <delire> nova: hehe nice
[09:07] <synd> how sweet are strike anywhere matches
[09:07] <BockBilbo> hello there
[09:07] <delire> nova: seems partially impossible without a startx flag
[09:07] <truz24> has anyone been able to download a kernel from kernel.org, build it, and successfully use it in ubuntu?
[09:07] <toxicfume> jldugger: askig a totally unrelated question and then nicely deviating it to a support question? lol.
[09:07] <tritium> hi BockBilbo.  Nice to catch you before I leave...
[09:07] <eflynn> Emacs or VIM?
[09:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> Hey
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> I wanted to install a desklet
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> but then
[09:07] <delire> eflynn: ahah not so easily
[09:07] <toxicfume> delire: hey
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> I deleted the GNOME applications bar
[09:07] <delire> toxicfume: hey there chap
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> and I cant restore it
[09:08] <ryanomalley_> how do I restore it/
[09:08] <nova> restarting x for the 300th time heh
[09:08] <kuap> hi
[09:08] <delire> nova: eek. we're getting there
[09:08] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, did you remove the package or something?
[09:08] <toxicfume> delire: hows it going? i'm thinking of installing ubuntu now..but ofcoruse, the mepis guys are against it :P
[09:08] <ryanomalley_> No No
[09:08] <Kartagis> levander: well?
[09:08] <ryanomalley_> just the bar, and I just want the menu back, the applications, places and system drop downs
[09:08] <jldugger> ryanomalley_, you can't remove the bar itself. you mean the main menu is gone?
[09:08] <rg58sma> how to put my ip static?
[09:08] <johan_> how do i get gpg once i have the sources
[09:08] <delire> toxicfume: well Mepis worked on your laptop. Mepis works on anything pretty much. that said Ubuntu is more fun if you really want to learn stuff.
[09:08] <entropy> anyone here use rss owl?
[09:09] <delire> toxicfume: ubuntu is a little harder for the newbie albeit.
[09:09] <jldugger> gnome wont let you remove all the gnome-panels (aka The Bar)
[09:09] <Kartagis> rg58sma: man ipconfig
[09:09] <ryanomalley_> Hmmm
[09:09] <trixsey> something is wrong with my sound
[09:09] <jldugger> just right click on whatever's left, and choose new panel
[09:09] <ryanomalley_> I deleted it.
[09:09] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, whoa, i just did the same thing
[09:09] <trixsey> eSound aint working.. having major disturbances
[09:09] <trixsey> its like
[09:09] <trixsey> fucking up :(
[09:09] <jldugger> then right click on it and add "main menu"
[09:09] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: if the panel is still there, right click and add menu
[09:09] <thoreauputic> jldugger: :)
[09:09] <toxicfume> delire: well since mepis can work on my laptop now, do you think i can get ubuntu to work withthe config files from mepis?
[09:09] <signius> when i do lsusb is al that shows is my usb-serial device not my gps unit thats attached to my adapter
[09:10] <signius> can anyone assist
[09:10] <delire> toxicfume: they are practically identical, other than Mepis has better hardware detection and less political integrity.
[09:10] <ryanomalley_> I can make new panels
[09:10] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, add "Menu Bar"
[09:10] <rg58sma> that is not the answer
[09:10] <toxicfume> delire: ah
[09:10] <Kartagis> XandriX: cheers :)
[09:10] <signius> i think i need to install usbserial  also pl2303
[09:10] <ryanomalley_> add "menu bar"?
[09:10] <ryanomalley_> not there
[09:10] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, yeah
[09:10] <signius> but i am now stuck as to how to do this
[09:10] <delire> toxicfume: copy the configs to a usb stick and then load them on in ubuntu
[09:10] <XandriX> Kartagis, cheers
[09:10] <signius> how do i install these modules in ubuntu
[09:10] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, in "Add to Panel"?
[09:10] <toxicfume> delire: can't i just copy them from the mepis partition?
[09:11] <jldugger> ryanomalley_, right click on whatever panel you want the menu on, choose add to panel, then choose "main menu"
[09:11] <signius> i am pretty much a *nix noob
[09:11] <ryanomalley_> Wow, now I feel stupid
[09:11] <delire> toxicfume: sure if you have both on the same machine. Mepis doesn't use xorg however
[09:11] <Kartagis> sig: man modprobe
[09:11] <ryanomalley_> haha thanks everyone
[09:11] <crimsun> Scorpinf: did you enable DMA manually?
[09:11] <toxicfume> delire: yes i do
[09:11] <crimsun> trixsey: what sort?
[09:11] <ryanomalley_> Got it
[09:11] <trixsey> What?
[09:11] <trixsey> I'm using an onboard intel soundcard (AC97
[09:11] <Ray|v|an-1010> hi im from mexico
[09:11] <trixsey> eSound is bugging, the sound is very bad
[09:12] <trixsey> I got no sound in mplayer, very poor sound in XMMS
[09:12] <trixsey> very poor sound in ubuntu overall
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> somebody can help me
[09:12] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: Finland salutes you
[09:12] <Scorpinf> tried both
[09:12] <crimsun> trixsey: paste me the relevant sound line from lspci -v
[09:12] <crimsun> Scorpinf: is it SATA?
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> with caffeine
[09:12] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: depends, state your problem
[09:12] <jldugger> Ray|v|an-1010, help you with your mexican problem?
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> about codecs
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> xvid
[09:12] <Scorpinf> crimsun: tried both, it's ide
[09:13] <crimsun> Scorpinf: does your controller support DMA for it, and your HD, too/
[09:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:13] <Ray|v|an-1010> i can't run a movie
[09:13] <trixsey> crimsun, whats the relevant sound line?
[09:13] <synd> !sources
[09:13] <ubotu> sources are to unstable..
[09:13] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:13] <Ray|v|an-1010> avi or xvid
[09:13] <Scorpinf> crimsun: tried both, it's ide, and yes it works fine i XP
[09:13] <crimsun> trixsey: lspci -vv, look for the multimedia audio line
[09:13] <crimsun> trixsey: paste _only_ that line
[09:13] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: follow the second step too, just about everyone skips that and then asks the channel again ;)
[09:13] <Ray|v|an-1010> let me see
[09:14] <Scorpinf> getting abit annoyed, can only burn in 2.5x
[09:14] <dahz> i got Xfce installed
[09:14] <dahz> weee
[09:14] <crimsun> Scorpinf: show me the error in #flood you get when attempting to enable DMA on the device
[09:14] <dahz> minor accomplishment but huge for me
[09:14] <crimsun> dahz: congrats
[09:14] <trixsey> crimsun, watcha wanna know? There is tons of info there
[09:14] <jldugger> was it harder than 'apt-get install xfce'?
[09:14] <synd> !sources is http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:14] <ubotu> ...but sources is already something else...
[09:14] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer  this might be also good for you
[09:15] <nemik> so i'm using cURL and its call and all but how can i URL-encode strings automatically?
[09:15] <eflynn> anybody know how to get a GPG key for a repository?
[09:15] <Scorpinf> crimsun: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:15] <crimsun> trixsey: I need the lines for your audio device
[09:15] <thenuke> !sources
[09:15] <ubotu> sources are to unstable..
[09:15] <thenuke> uff
[09:15] <eflynn> !hi
[09:15] <ubotu> hello, eflynn
[09:15] <crimsun> Scorpinf: then it's simply not permitted, and there's not much you can do about it
[09:15] <delire> crimsun: hmm why is it that so many have problems with sound in ubuntu (still) when Mepis, Xandros and Knoppix have it all sorted out?
[09:15] <delire> Scorpinf: this is my issue with another DMA feature
[09:16] <crimsun> Scorpinf: if by chance you are one of the unfortunate people whose hardware is affected by module load order, you might find solutions on the web
[09:16] <signius> i cannot get sound working in ubuntu with kismet either
[09:16] <delire> Scorpinf: but not DMA itself however
[09:16] <signius> and i not had this problem with other distros previously
[09:16] <jldugger> crimsun, he pasted the hdparm output earlier and it indicated that udma2 was the active access method
[09:16] <trixsey> crimsun, 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC '97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:16] <Scorpinf> crimsun: tuff luck for a linux begginer you mean ;-)
[09:16] <crimsun> delire: "all sorted out" is hardly the case
[09:16] <vanberge_> anybody know if tvtime can record video?
[09:17] <vanberge_> like vcr style?
[09:17] <vanberge_> or maybe recommend an app for that ?
[09:17] <signius> ! insmod usbserial
[09:17] <ubotu> No idea, signius
[09:17] <crimsun> jldugger: did he paste -v or -i output?
[09:17] <signius> !insmod usbserial
[09:17] <ubotu> No idea, signius
[09:17] <signius> hmmmm
[09:17] <jldugger> i think it was -i
[09:17] <delire> crimsun: i've installed around 47 mepis machines and since knoppix first appeared, god knows how many livecd boots.
[09:17] <signius> how do you get the command output to show in irc ?
[09:17] <crimsun> trixsey: so you're using snd_intel8x0?
[09:17] <trixsey> yes
[09:17] <delire> crimsun: ubuntu really does falter in this regard.
[09:17] <jldugger> signius, cut and paste?
[09:17] <Scorpinf> eflynn: what do i check in synaptic to get the latest kernel?
[09:17] <signius> can you not directly output it ?
[09:18] <crimsun> delire: what version of ALSA do those distros ship by default?
[09:18] <ompaul> crimsun: currently joining you on #ubuntu using irssi having installed 'server' version as a friend of mine suggested, now letting `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` do its job :)
[09:18] <jldugger> signius, well, sometimes you can use output redirection, but it's ugly and it only works with text based clients
[09:18] <signius> im using xchat
[09:18] <signius> first time using irc
[09:18] <spektr> Scorpinf: I had the same problem last month - the generic ide drivers had been loaded before the drivers of my specific chipset, so they didn't work
[09:18] <signius> im having a nightmare trying to get my gps unit working
[09:18] <jldugger> afaik, just cut and paste. its better than accidentally sending pages worth of text to the channel
[09:18] <thoreauputic> jldugger: that isn't actually true
[09:19] <mdke> is there an easy fix for X in breezy? should I be removing fonts from my config?
[09:19] <Scorpinf> spektr: how did u fix it
[09:19] <delire> crimsun: it's not on the alsa side, it's the ongoing problem with esd, and innapropriate hw aliasing in ubuntu (it seems)
[09:19] <nova> think i found the problem
[09:19] <delire> nova: great
[09:19] <signius> i think i am missing some modules but i do not know how to going about installing them
[09:19] <IIIEars> ! flood insurance
[09:19] <ubotu> hmm... flood insurance is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[09:19] <crimsun> delire: hw aliasing?
[09:19] <nova> i still have xorg-driver-fglrx installed
[09:19] <crimsun> trixsey: have you tried without esound?
[09:19] <jldugger> thoreauputic, can you redirect output to stdin on xchat as well?
[09:19] <nova> on removing with synaptic i get E: xorg-driver-fglrx:  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[09:19] <spektr> Scorpinf: I inserted the chipset driver as first line into /etc/modules
[09:19] <thoreauputic> jldugger:  /exec -o cat file works, for instance , in xchat (in #flood of course)
[09:19] <nova> how can i remove it from teminal
[09:20] <spektr> Scorpinf: then you need a reboot
[09:20] <trixsey> crimsun, yeah... ALSA says I dont have a soundcard (LOL)
[09:20] <jldugger> /exec will put output to the channel?
[09:20] <delire> crimsun: alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
[09:20] <student> holla fabionne
[09:20] <delire> crimsun: etc
[09:20] <trixsey> and OSS doesnt work at all
[09:20] <thoreauputic> jldugger:  /exec -o yes
[09:20] <student> como teba
[09:20] <jldugger> ah
[09:20] <delire> crimsun: i've fixed four friends ubuntu machines running alsaconf (for instance)
[09:20] <signius> can anyone assist in educating me in how to install some modules
[09:21] <crimsun> delire: that has nothing to do with the esd problems. The problem is esd itself. We're trying dmix by default without esd.
[09:21] <crimsun> (for Breezy)
[09:21] <delire> crimsun: that's good news..
[09:21] <mdke> is there an easy fix for X in breezy? should I be removing fonts from my config?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> crimsun: glad to hear that :)
[09:21] <crimsun> delire: the aliasing also is a red herring. Don't confuse module aliasing with hw aliasing, because they are completely different.
[09:21] <delire> crimsun: as i said, on friends machines there have been two problems, esd and this aliasing.
[09:21] <chrissturm> mdke: what errror do you get?
[09:21] <nova> delire how to remove the xorg-fglrx drivers in a terminal
[09:21] <IIIEars> delire - sound was and is working perfectly with files but sounds distorted with shoutcast stations. - any tips?
[09:22] <delire> crimsun: i meant module aliasing yes
[09:22] <iepa> Good evening
[09:22] <nova> they wont remove thorugh synaptic
[09:22] <delire> IIIEars: no
[09:22] <iepa> I have a problem, maybe someone can help me
[09:22] <synd> !synd
[09:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synd is a character
[09:22] <mdke> chrissturm, some problems with xbase-fonts i think
[09:22] <delire> nova: haha the old drivers were sill loaded. remeber i asked? ;)
[09:22] <trixsey> crimsun, you know what I can do? :(
[09:22] <Scorpinf> spektr: i'm a linux beginner, can u tell me how pls, or find a guide
[09:22] <delire> nova: i didn't know what you were running before.. thought it was 'ati'
[09:22] <IIIEars> !ubuntuguide
[09:22] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:22] <nova> well just not the ati ones were not there heh
[09:22] <crimsun> trixsey: sec, please, I have about twenty different conversations right now
[09:23] <nova> its the xorgs lol
[09:23] <synd> !sources
[09:23] <ubotu> well, sources is http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:23] <toran> hey guys, where can I get kcolorchooser? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu default
[09:23] <nova> need to nuke the bastards in terminal
[09:23] <chrissturm> mdke: what exactly?
[09:23] <mdke> chrissturm, could not open default font "fixed"
[09:23] <delire> nova: cool ;)
[09:23] <nova> that or change to ati then nuke
[09:23] <signius> a thats interesting if i do lsmod it lists usbserial as pl2303
[09:23] <iepa> the matter is that i have opened an RTF file that came in an email with Open Office. I have been modifying it for hours, and then I have realized that I was saving at \tmp But the file is not there
[09:23] <iepa> Can you help me?
[09:23] <iepa> thanks in advance
[09:23] <nova> just not sure how to nuke the xorg ones in terminal
[09:23] <signius> so does that mean that it is installed already
[09:23] <crimsun> trixsey: first, if /proc/asound/modules reports no driver, then you can't be using alsa
[09:23] <delire> nova: right, well that's one for next time. good work.
[09:23] <mdke> chrissturm, the font paths are broken
[09:23] <crimsun> trixsey: paste the output from the following to pastebin.com: lsmod
[09:23] <bobbyd> where can I find the screen resize and rotate tool in kubuntu
[09:23] <chrissturm> mdke: change all fonts to /usr/share instead of /usr/lib
[09:23] <chrissturm> mdke: in xorg.conf
[09:24] <nalioth> iepa: /tmp is temporary
[09:24] <nova> hmm can i just change driver to ati in xorg.conf with out changing any thing else in xorg?
[09:24] <nova> ack nvm
[09:24] <chrissturm> btw, why is there both /tmp and /var/tmp ?
[09:24] <mdke> chrissturm, ok thanks
[09:24] <delire> nova: you definitely want 'fglrx' in xorg.conf
[09:24] <iepa> nalioth yes I know, but I can't find there now, do you now if it is temporary cleaned :-(
[09:24] <synd> bobbyd, try #kubuntu
[09:24] <delire> nova: not ati.
[09:24] <trixsey> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/295172
[09:24] <trixsey> :)
[09:24] <nova> well need to nuke these old fglrx first
[09:24] <nova> how to do so from terminal
[09:25] <mdke> chrissturm, is that a well known issue?
[09:25] <nalioth> iepa: yes, /tmp is not to be saved to, cuz things don't stay there
[09:25] <iepa> so I can't recover the file anyway?
[09:25] <chrissturm> mdke: that happens only when you manually changed xorg.conf, otherwise its updated automatically
[09:25] <delire> nova: dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[09:26] <nalioth> iepa: afraid not
[09:26] <Twitch> I just went to compile a program and it said checking for cc, and it came back saying no what does this mean
[09:26] <iepa> nalioth thanks anyway
[09:26] <nalioth> iepa: perhaps save to your home folder
[09:26] <nova> ii  fglrx-6-8-0    8.12.10-2      XFree86 display driver for the ATI graphics is what was returned
[09:26] <Twitch> same happened with gcc
[09:26] <Upayavira> Earlier today, I found a 15Gb log file in /var/log. It had filled my root partition. I deleted it. But df still shows 100%. I know that overnight it will drop to about 20%. Can I make it drop now?
[09:26] <iepa> no, I have checked and is not there too :-)
[09:26] <thoreauputic> Twitch: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:26] <mdke> chrissturm, i didn't, its a brand new install from colony 1a couple of hours ago
[09:26] <delire> nova: that's the one you installed from the alien'd rpm. leave that there
[09:26] <nova> ok thats all that is showing
[09:27] <chrissturm> mdke: did you already upgrade?
[09:27] <Twitch> thoreauputic: came back invalid operation
[09:27] <mdke> chrissturm, yeah, it was working before i upgraded
[09:27] <nalioth> iepa: no. i mean, save to your home directory
[09:27] <thoreauputic> Twitch: then you typed it wrong
[09:27] <nova> xfree86 shouldnt that say xorg?
[09:27] <Twitch> build-essential
[09:27] <spektr> Scorpinf: I'm not sure, but try to comment out the three lines starting with "ide-" in your /etc/modules and reboot. (put a # in frot of each line)
[09:27] <thoreauputic> Twitch: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:27] <delire> nova: just make sure 'fglrx' is in the xorg.conf and try restarting X (again). set that agp option to "no" perhaps also.
[09:27] <toxicfume> while installing ubuntu, i usedthe manual partitioning option to manually partition my free space partition on my drive, but i want to know if i have to set up "Bootable Flag" to Off or On?
[09:27] <IIIEars> !build-essential
[09:27] <ubotu> well, build-essential is http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[09:27] <crimsun> trixsey: and now your lspci -vv info
[09:28] <signius> is anyone here familiar with gpsd
[09:28] <nova> been there done that heh
[09:28] <delire> nova: which one did you download. the xorg or xfree86 from ati.com?
[09:28] <mdke> omg
[09:28] <signius> i am trying to get my gps unit working
[09:28] <nova> i thought xorg
[09:28] <mdke> someone has made a bot which points to ubuntuguide???!?
[09:28] <thenuke> !codecs
[09:28] <ubotu> well, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:28] <synd> !ubuntuguide
[09:28] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:28] <toxicfume> while installing ubuntu, i usedthe manual partitioning option to manually partition my free space partition on my drive, but i want to know if i have to set up "Bootable Flag" to Off or On?
[09:28] <mdke> jeez
[09:28] <nova> fglrx_6_8_0-8.12.10-1.i386.rpm <<<< that one
[09:28] <chrissturm> mdke: strange it worked for me
[09:28] <Twitch> thoreauputic: neat thanks man what does that do?
[09:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: we read you the first time
[09:28] <mdke> chrissturm, i did a -reconfigure too...
[09:28] <nalioth> toxicfume: grub or lilo will take care of it
[09:29] <delire> nova: that looks like xorg versioning to me. i have v4.3.0-8.10.19
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Twitch: installs the tools you need for compiling
[09:29] <thoreauputic> basically
[09:29] <chrissturm> mdke: did it say something at the end about not writing xorg.conf ?
[09:29] <delire> nova: check on ati.com
[09:29] <mdke> chrissturm, not that i recall
[09:29] <Twitch> thoreauputic: cool thanks man
[09:29] <toxicfume> nalioth: i alreayd have grub installed on another partiton
[09:29] <nalioth> toxicfume: so when you update your grub to see the part you are making, it will boot it
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Twitch: if you get configure errors, it will mean you need -dev libraries by the way
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Twitch: a common thing
[09:30] <toxicfume> nalioth: would you happen to know how i would update grub to do that?
[09:30] <XandriX> *cd's
[09:30] <mdke> chrissturm, should I be looking at bugzilla and filing you think?
[09:30] <nalioth> toxicfume: nope, i run PPC, and am more familiar with lilo
[09:30] <mdke> chrissturm, oh hang on
[09:30] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:30] <delire> hmm, when will my cd's arrive.. it's been a couple of months
[09:30] <nova> yeh is right one
[09:30] <trixsey> you finding it?
[09:30] <nalioth> toxicfume: the man page may help you, tho
[09:30] <mdke> chrissturm, the paths in xorg.conf are already /usr/share
[09:31] <crimsun> trixsey: I'm awaiting your lspci -vv info
[09:31] <toxicfume> nalioth: the man page is too cryptic for me
[09:31] <delire> nova: cool. well restart X (again) after making those changes to xorg.conf
[09:31] <Upayavira> I found a huge file filling my root partition. After deleting it, df still shows 100%. How can  I get it to drop so I can create files in my root partition? Is it the ext3 journal that is keeping the space? Can I flush it?
[09:31] <nalioth> toxicfume: then google "grub for dummies" and see if something more simple comes up
[09:31] <nova> they were made and restarted
[09:31] <Twitch> thor|break, thanks man it's working now
[09:31] <delire> nova: glxinfo | grep direct
[09:31] <crimsun> Upayavira: do not try to delete the journal, heh
[09:31] <delire> nova: any luck?
[09:31] <crimsun> Upayavira: what's the filename?
[09:32] <nova> no
[09:32] <Upayavira> was mysql.log
[09:32] <crimsun> Upayavira: that's the mysql logfile
[09:32] <toran> where can I get kcolorchooser or a similar color picker? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu by default
[09:32] <nalioth> Upayavira: HOW did you delete that file?
[09:32] <Upayavira> Well, without clearing something, my disc is at 100% still.
[09:32] <delire> nova: jeziz. well that's all it takes from here. fglrx is definitely loaded yes?
[09:32] <Upayavira> rm mysql.log!
[09:32] <crimsun> Upayavira: have you downloaded a lot of packages?
[09:32] <nova> yeh from the grep command
[09:33] <Upayavira> No, that log file was 15Gb! I had a process run wild, which I stopped.
[09:33] <nova> delire can you ul your config file some where and ill sub my info for yours as needed?
[09:33] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:33] <trixsey> http://pastebin.com/295177
[09:33] <nova> im wondering if maybe i got some , for . type error some where
[09:33] <trixsey> there crimsun :)
[09:33] <delire> nova: i don't use x.org, though they are largely the same. i generated my file with fglrxconfig by the way.
[09:33] <Upayavira> So I know why it got that big. What I want to know is how, after having deleted the file, to be able to actually use my root partition, which is still reporting 100% usage via df.
[09:34] <delire> nova: you did make sure "UseInternalAGPGART" option is set to "no"?
[09:34] <nova> yep
[09:34] <toxicfume> Can 2 different linux installations on differen partitions use the same single swap partition?
[09:34] <toran> where can I get kcolorchooser or a similar color picker? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu by default
[09:34] <mjr> toxicfume, yes
[09:34] <crimsun> trixsey: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:35] <toxicfume> mjr: okay, thanks :)
[09:35] <nova> going to restart once more
[09:35] <mjr> toxicfume, though then you'd better not boot the other while you have the other softsuspended
[09:35] <delire> nova: back it up and use fglrxconfig to generate your xorg.conf file. it will probably write out an XF86Config-4. just rename it to xorg.conf and try it.
[09:35] <mdke> has anyone got any spare time to help me get X working in breezy?
[09:35] <delire> nova: that's all i can suggest, short of going through the whole process again...
[09:35] <chrissturm> mdke: still not working?
[09:35] <Twitch>  I just went to compile something and got a message saying readline wasn't found in either of the normal spots, but I've done nothign with readline yet
[09:35] <mdke> chrissturm, oh sorry i left you some messages above ^^ ;)
[09:36] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:36] <nova> should i run fglrxconfig from a terminal or kill x all togather
[09:36] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/home/trixsey # cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:36] <trixsey> 0 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[09:36] <trixsey>                      Intel ICH5 with ALC655 at 0xf4001000, irq 17
[09:36] <delire> Twitch: you need libreadline-dev or similar
[09:36] <mdke> chrissturm, the font paths were already correct...
[09:36] <chrissturm> oh
[09:36] <Twitch> delire: how would I go about getting it
[09:36] <nova> and run as sudo or as normal users?
[09:36] <mdke> chrissturm, at least they already started with /usr/share
[09:36] <crimsun> trixsey: does amixer produce a lot of output?
[09:36] <chrissturm> ok
[09:36] <trixsey> crimsun, yes
[09:36] <avinoam> I have a question
[09:37] <chrissturm> mdke: what does sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core say?
[09:37] <avinoam> How do i open archive manager with root permission?
[09:37] <bigfoot> Hi all. I'm reading the tips for cusomizing my Linux to optimize Desktop Performance (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308#comment-47098). One of the comments suggested disabling unused and unneeded daemons, saying that "most distros enable much more than you  will need or use." So what are these extraneous daemons for the desktop user? And how do i go disabling them?
[09:37] <mdke> chrissturm, installed
[09:37] <delire> Twitch: 'apt-cache search readline' and then select the latest development pacakge from the list (ends in -dev) and then 'apt-get install packagename'
[09:37] <crimsun> trixsey: paste that output onto pastebin
[09:37] <Twitch> delire: ahh ok
[09:37] <delire> avinoam: sudo
[09:37] <avinoam> sudo what?
[09:37] <delire> avinoam: sudo synaptic
[09:38] <avinoam> i want to use the gnome archive manager
[09:38] <delire> avinoam: or fo you mean something else
[09:38] <avinoam> like ark
[09:38] <chrissturm> mdke: strange, i have no X problems with breezy here on two systems
[09:38] <avinoam> not synaptic
[09:38] <chrissturm> mdke: ubuntu-desktop also installed?
[09:38] <delire> avinoam: ok then 'sudo ark' (sudo == "super user do")
[09:38] <avinoam> or in general starting gnome apps with root permissiom
[09:38] <avinoam> i know what sudo is
[09:38] <delire> avinoam: so use it
[09:39] <chrissturm> mdke: and what xorg version do you have installed?
[09:39] <mdke> chrissturm, dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base gives me some errors
[09:39] <avinoam> there is the program "archive manager" i wanna usw that
[09:39] <avinoam> use
[09:39] <trixsey> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/295184
[09:39] <jldugger> bigfoot, there are a few, but Ubuntu is mostly a desktop oriented distro anyways. the few you have running are very low overhead. i cant even remember if sshd comes by default
[09:39] <mjr> jldugger, doesn't'
[09:39] <CrustyPunk> Question... can someone do me a huge favor and pm me a good list of repositories?   You'll have to google for each of the daemons started by those scripts, and then decide yourself if you can stop them from starting
[09:40] <saibear> how does it work for all of you
[09:40] <Dent> hey all, i'm a ubuntu gui-kangaroo
[09:40] <crimsun> trixsey: did you try using alsa directly instead of esd?
[09:40] <mdke> chrissturm, are you using xfs?
[09:40] <delire> saibear: great
[09:41] <saibear> cool i am haveing trouble with my mp3s to work
[09:41] <chrissturm> xfs? the filesystem?
[09:41] <alerim> saibear: that sounds like a FAQ :)
[09:41] <mdke> chrissturm, the font server
[09:41] <dahz> i cant find Synaptic under Xfce
[09:41] <sproingie> Dent: i'll bite.  what's a gui-kangeroo?
[09:41] <trixsey> crimsun, how do I do that?
[09:41] <saibear> nice
[09:41] <dahz> any ideas where it might be?
[09:41] <bigfoot> jldugger, oh, is ubuntu a desktop-oriented distro? i wasn't sure about that.
[09:41] <sproingie> does xfce use the standard .desktop files?
[09:41] <chrissturm> mdke: i have a standard x install, dunno if thats using xfs
[09:41] <mdke> chrissturm, hmm, ok i'll work on it later
[09:42] <dahz> yeah
[09:42] <avinoam> anyone know how to open gnome programs with root permission?
[09:42] <crimsun> trixsey: System>Preferences>Sound> uncheck "Enable sound server startup"
[09:42] <dahz> i suppose
[09:42] <sproingie> ubuntu is primarily desktop oriented.  server is actually where it's a bit weak
[09:42] <GammaRay> what file do I modify to set what wm is started when I run startx? (no I don't want to use .xinitrc)
[09:42] <levander> sproingie: how is ubuntu weak on the server?
[09:42] <IIIEars> avinoam gksudo?
[09:42] <delire> avinoam: dude as i said use sudo or log in as root and then execute them
[09:42] <crimsun> trixsey: then, System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ALSA>Test
[09:42] <sproingie> levander: no selinux, mostly
[09:42] <bigfoot> levander, thank you for your response. when i google the terms, should the terms include the letter "s"?
[09:43] <avinoam> what is gksudo?
[09:43] <IIIEars> delire patience with the new we were all there once.
[09:43] <saibear> I am running Ubuntu on a HP laptop and it semes to be working fine all but the sound for mp3
[09:43] <bigfoot> one daemon running is sfetchmail. Do i need that if I read/write email via a web-mail service?
[09:43] <levander> bigfoot: no, you gotta find out what daemon the script that starts with an S is kicking off.  Although, usually, the script is named after the daemon
[09:43] <delire> IIIEars: he's asked several times.
[09:43] <crimsun> saibear: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[09:43] <IIIEars> avinoam - gksudo is best for graphical apps.
[09:43] <saibear> the sound works for everything else
[09:43] <saibear> yeah i did
[09:43] <levander> sproingie: what's selinux?
[09:44] <sproingie> levander: thats mostly a debian weakness i guess.  tho debian shines other places for server work
[09:44] <crimsun> saibear: what app are you trying to use with mp3s
[09:44] <avinoam> i'm trying to run archive manager what's the command?
[09:44] <jldugger> selinux = security enhanced linux, a set of tweaks to linux provided by the NSA
[09:44] <sproingie> levander: security enhanced linux.  sort of the de facto standard for secure linux installs these days
[09:44] <saibear> really anything that wil pick it up xmms
[09:44] <avinoam> i don't know what the filename is called
[09:44] <levander> sproingie: do you think fedora is better for servers than ubuntu? and, if so, why?
[09:44] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:44] <trixsey> doesnt work
[09:44] <crimsun> delire: if someone asks 10,000 times, then we try and be polite all 10,000
[09:44] <crimsun> trixsey: what error?
[09:44] <GammaRay> anyone use qiv? I'm having trouble w/ the qiv-command function.
[09:44] <trixsey> failed to construct test pipeline
[09:44] <delire> crimsun: fair enough.
[09:45] <CrustyPunk> Question: Are there any ATI drivers for Ubuntu, or am I going to have to alien the RPM from the ATI site?
[09:45] <saibear> crimsun do you have any idias
[09:45] <crimsun> CrustyPunk: the drivers are included. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:45] <GammaRay> qiv-command looks like this:
[09:45] <GammaRay> if [ "$1" == 0 ] ;then
[09:45] <GammaRay>         qiv "$2"&
[09:45] <GammaRay> fi
[09:45] <crimsun> saibear: sec
[09:45] <CrustyPunk> crimsun, thanks
[09:45] <crimsun> trixsey: open a Terminal and use aplay to play a wav file
[09:45] <avinoam> let's try this, can i log into gnome with root?
[09:45] <GammaRay> however.. the original qiv hangs when I hit 0 until qiv-command exits
[09:46] <sproingie> dear dear me.  ubuntu livecd under qemu is ... glacial
[09:46] <delire> avinoam: yes you can, but it's a bit dangerous.
[09:46] <slgreene> hello
[09:46] <crimsun> saibear: does xmms play ogg vorbis files fine for you?
[09:46] <slgreene> anyone home
[09:46] <IIIEars> crimsun - Would love to have a copy if it isn't too much trouble. Please?
[09:46] <crouton> nope
[09:46] <avinoam> i want to do it to install something
[09:46] <avinoam> and then log out
[09:46] <avinoam> so how do i do it?
[09:46] <crimsun> IIIEars: you lost me; a copy of what?
[09:46] <GammaRay> avinoam: run sudo su -
[09:46] <avinoam> k
[09:47] <avinoam> sudo su and gnome is in root mode?
[09:47] <crouton> heh
[09:47] <GammaRay> avinoam: nope
[09:47] <inc595> hey channel
[09:47] <crouton> hello inc
[09:47] <Chetic> Is there a netlimiting app for linux?
[09:47] <avinoam> so then how?
[09:47] <avinoam> GammaRay that's what i need
[09:47] <inc595> netlimiting?
[09:47] <crouton> Chetic - bandwidth limiting or traffic shaping?
[09:47] <GammaRay> avinoam: why?
[09:48] <Chetic> yeah bandwidth limiting
[09:48] <jldugger> Chetic, you mean like traffic shaping?
[09:48] <Chetic> I had trouble finding a word, excuse me
[09:48] <GammaRay> avinoam: you can run any app as root from a normal user
[09:48] <avinoam> GammaRay for archive manager, it's not letting me extract
[09:48] <inc595> can iptables do that?
[09:48] <nova> delire zero diffrence
[09:48] <avinoam> GammaRay it says i don't have permission to extract files
[09:48] <nova> nothing i do can get rid of this mesa crap
[09:48] <Chetic> I need to limit my bandwidth, else my ISP will shut me down
[09:48] <jldugger> netfliter should be able to handle it. but you'll probably want something more pretty
[09:49] <crouton> Chetic:  you could just watch what you're down/upping. :)
[09:49] <Chetic> no crouton
[09:49] <inc595> Chetic,  unplug for a few days
[09:49] <GammaRay> avinoam: run sudo file-roller in a terminal
[09:49] <crouton> Shorewall is a firewall that might have some bandwidth limiting options
[09:49] <Chetic> inc595, that's just crazytalk
[09:49] <Twitch> lol i finally get around to making the install and i get 1 error when running make
[09:49] <GammaRay> avinoam: there is also a program in the menu to do the same
[09:49] <nova> afk
[09:49] <inc595> Chetic, oh yeah.. sorry don't know what came over me
[09:50] <Twitch> I think it's because i have no zlib.h
[09:50] <delire> nova: you don't want to get rid of mesa, so much as be sure you're not using it.
[09:50] <trixsey> crimsun, nothing happends
[09:50] <avinoam> GammaRay it says authentication rejected
[09:50] <Chetic> If I go above 32KB/s up or down, this house will have no internet connection until next year (when other alternatives are available)
[09:50] <crimsun> Twitch: install zlib1g-dev
[09:50] <Chetic> So I NEED a bandwidth limiter
[09:50] <nova> yeh same dif its still being used
[09:50] <bigfoot> how can i get the Gnome main menu to pop up using only the keyboard? (The equivalent of using the "Windows Key" in WindowsOS to pop-up the Start Menu...)
[09:50] <megabit> Hi I have got Umax 4000CX and some special kei dont running - +- display +-sound mute and sleep. when I write modprobe acpi it say:  FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/                                            kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
[09:50] <crimsun> trixsey: describe "nothing"
[09:50] <delire> nova: you don't want to be using it as your default opengl. i don't know why, with the driver compiled and ati glx installed it's still being used. all i can think of is that it's the agp driver.
[09:50] <inc595> you running a website or something?
[09:50] <crimsun> trixsey: what syntax are you using?
[09:50] <jldugger> Chetic, im a bit curious how come they can't provide this for you
[09:50] <ompaul> Chetic: wondershaper might be useful for you
[09:51] <sproingie> Chetic: does  your ISP consist of a shared line or something?  that's a tremendously braindead thing for a commercial ISP
[09:51] <Chetic> ompaul, thanks
[09:51] <Twitch> crimsun: I <3 you
[09:51] <Chetic> sproingie, I know.. they have no idea what they're doing
[09:51] <sproingie> most real ISP's who have limits just use a shaper
[09:51] <trixsey> crimsun, aplay file.wav
[09:51] <Chetic> jldugger, they're.. morons
[09:51] <jldugger> are they the only option in the area?
[09:51] <Chetic> yes :(
[09:51] <crimsun> trixsey: and what does that command do?
[09:52] <trixsey> its supposed to play a wav file, I suppose
[09:52] <Chetic> I'm also on a two-year contract with them
[09:52] <trixsey> but nothing happends
[09:52] <delire> nova: well that must be pretty frustrating. i'm trying to think if there's any other possible reason.
[09:52] <nova> on sec brb
[09:52] <avinoam> OK i managed using custom command
[09:52] <thoreauputic> trixsey: erm.. are you using an "actual" .wav file?
[09:52] <crimsun> trixsey: does it hang? does it return to a prompt?
[09:52] <jldugger> chectic, there's also trickle
[09:52] <nova> evn though i said no to use internal agp it still put yes
[09:52] <inc595> Chetic, I found this.. it may help you http://www.opennet.ru/docs/HOWTO/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/
[09:53] <crimsun> trixsey: please be more specific
[09:53] <delire> nova: hmm. are these other agp modules loaded are they?
[09:53] <delire> nova: if so, you might want to exit X, rmmod those modules and then start X without them.
[09:53] <bigfoot> How come when I type the letter "U" in gnome-terminal, it toggles the Menubar? It doesn't give me the letter "U" ? thank you.
[09:54] <Chetic> inc595, highly appreciated, thanks
[09:54] <delire> nova: if so, you might want to exit X, rmmod those modules and then start X without them.
[09:54] <nova> still mesa
[09:54] <nova> brb in 10
[09:54] <toxicfume> delire: hey, can i msg you?
[09:54] <delire> nova: ok check the agp modules aren't loaded. you shouldn't need them now.
[09:54] <delire> toxicfume: sure
[09:54] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: that's odd - I get a letter "u" here...
[09:54] <trixsey> crimsun, I enter it in the terminal and then absolutley nothing happends... I cant use the terminal anymore
[09:54] <trixsey> and I hear nothing
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: so it's hanging?
[09:55] <bigfoot> hi thoreauputic. Well, what i did was i just erased/cleared it from the keyboard shortcuts option.
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: i.e., it doesn't return to a prompt?
[09:55] <trixsey> line breaks and I can type whatever I want..
[09:55] <Dent> Chetic: you mean, kick you out as a customer :(
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: ok, press ctrl+c
[09:55] <trixsey> and yes, I'm using an actual wav file
[09:55] <Dent> bastards
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: that should return you to a prompt
[09:55] <trixsey> it doesnt hang, it doesnt return to a prompt..
[09:55] <trixsey> it feels like it never even starts :p
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: prep esd
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # aplay activate.wav
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events #
[09:56] <Frafra> hi all
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: sorry, pgrep esd
[09:56] <Chetic> Dent, I won't get their service but they will get my money..
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # prep esd
[09:56] <trixsey> bash: prep: command not foun
[09:56] <Frafra> w32codecs for amd64?
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # pgrep esd
[09:56] <trixsey> 27253
[09:56] <inc595> Chetic, here's another one http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO
[09:56] <Dent> blech, kill it.
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: that's why it hung; esd grabbed the device
[09:56] <Dent> killall esd, and try again
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: pkill esd
[09:56] <megabit> Can you help mi with acpi?
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: then try the aplay command again
[09:57] <BoD_SWAT> how can I 'put' a file or directory, using 'ftp-ssl' from /usr/src/test/ to /upload/ ?
[09:57] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # aplay activate.wav
[09:57] <trixsey> Playing WAVE 'activate.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[09:57] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events #
[09:57] <crimsun> trixsey: right, and do you hear anything?
[09:57] <Dent> okay?
[09:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> can kubuntu use an ipod?
[09:57] <trixsey> crimsun, yes
[09:57] <crimsun> trixsey: and how's the quality?
[09:57] <Dent> _Church_of_Foamy: nobody can use one :(
[09:57] <Dent> nobody can afford one!
[09:57] <trixsey> crimsun, now my sound works
[09:58] <Dent> at least, in my country
[09:58] <inc595> _Church_of_Foamy, I think it's gtkpod or something
[09:58] <Dent> trixsey: esd blows.
[09:58] <crimsun> trixsey: so now you can use alsa directly.
[09:58] <trixsey> yeah but this problem wont come back as soon as I reboot?
[09:58] <Dent> yeah
[09:58] <johan_> when you get a deb package how to install it
[09:58] <Frafra> are there w32codecs for amd64?
[09:58] <Dent> disable audio in your gnome menu thinger
[09:58] <Dent> gnome's ESD is hijacking the soundcard
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Frafra: as the name would imply, no
[09:59] <nalioth> johan_: sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Frafra: w "32" ?
[09:59] <Frafra> w64:D
[09:59] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, yes?
[09:59] <crimsun> trixsey: no, it won't reappear, because you've configured gnome to not use esd
[09:59] <Tomcat_> Is the linux-image-...-k7 good for AMD Athlon64 CPUs?
[09:59] <johan_> thanks
[10:00] <crimsun> trixsey: just make sure System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink is configured to use ALSA
[10:00] <Dent> Tomcat_: is it an amd64 kernel
[10:00] <WhiteRabbit> did I say BoD_SWAT or swat to Dent gnome's ESD is hijacking the soundcard silly guy linux is for admins
[10:00] <crimsun> Tomcat_: sure, it'll work, but that's a 32-bit kernel not a 64-bit one
[10:00] <Tomcat_> Dent: No, I'm running Ubuntu i386 to avoid problems with Flash and so on...
[10:00] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, ;)~~
[10:00] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, my nick is usually SWAT :D
[10:00] <Dent> "flash and so on", okay
[10:00] <Dent> it'll run like trash
[10:00] <Dent> but nice and stable
[10:01] <crimsun> nice and stable is arguably better than latest and greatest
[10:01] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, of course I knew this
[10:01] <Dent> ...okay
[10:01] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, I just felt the need to reply...:-)
[10:01] <Dent> but it's 'greatest'
[10:02] <Dent> how is stable greater than greatest :(
[10:02] <Tomcat_> Well Flash won't work... that's bad, I like Flash. :) and I doubt w32codecs will work, or any other binary thing.
[10:02] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, Of course your not well nm hehe
[10:02] <Dent> w32codecs... yes... hmm....
[10:02] <Dent> for all those WMVs i have...
[10:02] <Tomcat_> The question is if the i386 k7 kernel is better than the i386 i386 one. :>
[10:02] <Dent> there's a couple flash thingers you know
[10:03] <Dent> makes a little difference
[10:03] <Dent> the k7 will be a touch faster
[10:03] <iceman> going to attempt to build a custom install
[10:03] <crimsun> Dent: I'd rather be able to use a computer reliably than use Flash, thanks.
[10:03] <Dent> an 1800 AMD64 will run about the speed of an 1800 AMD32
[10:03] <crimsun> that's just me being crazy, I suppose.
[10:03] <Dent> (AMD64 3000+)
[10:03] <iceman> i'd rather have the amd 64 processor
[10:03] <Dent> crimsun: err?  that wasn't in dispute..
[10:03] <nova> delire im gona make #novastemp im not sure what to make of this and its a fiarly large paste please joing
[10:04] <Dent> flash doesn't run on amd64
[10:04] <Dent> amd64 = stable
[10:04] <nalioth> iceman: i'd rather have a dual proc dual core amd64 system
[10:04] <delire> nova: ok..
[10:04] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, I always reply when some screams SWAT at the discotheque/bar/cafe, so for me it 'not being well' is 'normal :-)
[10:04] <AndyR> lo all
[10:04] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, I understand completely now
[10:04] <Dent> i'd rather use a quad antares ppc with amigaos 5
[10:04] <JoshYme1> i just installed ubuntu and i'm getting an error 18 from grub
[10:05] <Dent> JoshYme1: i had a similar issue ,is it an Asus A8N or A8V board?
[10:05] <JoshYme1> i think so yes.
[10:06] <Dent> well, the answer is kinda sad
[10:06] <Dent> the installer buggers up
[10:06] <Dent> you have to go in manually :(
[10:06] <Dent> using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, check it, double check it, and run lilo -v
[10:06] <Dent> to get that far, throw the install cd back in the cdrom, and on the prompt enter: linux noinitrd root=/dev/<rootdisk>
[10:07] <IcemanV9> this afternoon, i finally took my laptop (hp ze5185) apart to clean fans to resolve the "overheating" problem (hopefully!!)
[10:07] <IcemanV9> so far it looks good - Thermal 1: ok, 58.0 degrees C
[10:07] <Jug> does via unichrome graphics cards support overlay?
[10:07] <IIIEars> Does nautilus misplace dvd iso's?
[10:08] <nalioth> IcemanV9: did you discover the secret micro$oft rodents powering the thing?
[10:08] <IcemanV9> nalioth: yeah. how did you know???!!  PLEASE.
[10:10] <Madeye> anyone into forex trade?
[10:10] <IIIEars> There -is- a dvd on my desk but where? (sherlock holmes magnifying glass appears from pocket.)
[10:10] <delire> vanberge http://agearnotebooks.com see the asus range ;)
[10:11] <nalioth> vanberge: iBooks? i would say so

[10:11] <delire> vanberge: i own one, my gf own another. all works except sleep modes just yet
[10:11] <vanberge> i dont like sleep modes anyway
[10:11] <nalioth> delire: vanberge and if you desire sleep above all other considerations, it works in yellowdog linux
[10:12] <JoshYme1> Dent: any idea's?
[10:12] <ismailtaha> hi
[10:12] <delire> nalioth: i was talking about the Asus machines, not Apple machines.
[10:12] <toxicfume> delire: you there?
[10:12] <IcemanV9> wonders if i could replace the keyboard with ThinkPad keyboard. I cannot live with the red dot!! hates the touchpad!
[10:12] <nalioth> delire: they should be linux compat
[10:12] <AndyR> has anyone here used gaim-vv on hoary?
[10:12] <delire> nalioth: it's my fourth linux laptop and is very good
[10:12] <nalioth> IcemanV9: just get the gripper/nippers and pull it right out
[10:13] <tanek> AndyR: never successfully
[10:13] <ompaul> IcemanV9: can you use a standard keyboard and plug it in and pretend that it is a real desktop?
[10:13] <nalioth> AndyR: waht is gaim-vv?
[10:13] <AndyR> tanek, :( thanks for answering anyway
[10:13] <IcemanV9> ompaul: not when i am traveling - bad idea
[10:13] <IIIEars> delire - Best place to buy a linux compatible laptop? Best Brand to buy?
[10:14] <AndyR> nalioth, a friendly fork of gaim that does video too
[10:14] <delire> IIIEars: the thinkpads are the best laptops out there. and most Linux compatible i think.
[10:14] <IIIEars> Sounds like a thinkpad then. :)
[10:15] <toxicfume> delire: got my msg?
[10:15] <geetergod> how do i check to see what sound i have on my computer? like 5.1 er whatever?
[10:15] <geetergod> and if 3 of my speakers dont work does that mean i dont have5.1? cause thats what the speakers need
[10:15] <IcemanV9> ThinkPad will be my next laptop when i have money (dang)
[10:15] <geetergod> but the 2 work and the sub works
[10:15] <vanberge> geetergod, do you have a 5.1 soundcard?
[10:15] <delire> IIIEars:           a real desktop?
[10:16] <delire> IIIEars: sorry, my copy buffer broke.
[10:16] <geetergod> I dont know, thats what i wanted to check
[10:16] <nalioth> AndyR: ah ty
[10:16] <IIIEars> size isn't important
[10:16] <delire> IIIEars: this is a lovely machine however: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asuss5nphoto.html
[10:16] <nalioth> IIIEars: pre APX iBook
[10:16] <nalioth> IIIEars: works great
[10:16] <JStrike> geetergod : Check in totem properties. It should say
[10:17] <vanberge> geetergod, system > administration > device manager
[10:17] <delire> IIIEars: the next one down from mine, but an extra hour of battery life. it's basically hte iBook that Asus make without the Apple badge and a PPC arch
[10:17] <delire> s/hte/the
[10:17] <tanek> AndyR: np, and actually, i got it working once, from a precompiled .rpm, but without voice or video support (=just like regular gaim but without plugins:()
[10:17] <bigfoot> how can i change my screen's bit setting? I mean, let's say, to change from 24-bit to 16-bit depth resolution. Thank you!
[10:18] <Twitch> i just got an error while compiling saying it was unable to find X
[10:18] <geetergod> hold on, im on Fluxbox, let me get on gnome
[10:18] <delire> bigfoot: see the section "Default Bit Depth" in /etc/X11/xorg.cong
[10:18] <delire> *conf
[10:18] <signius> Thats a seriously nice looking laptop
[10:18] <delire> s/section/line
[10:18] <bigfoot> delire, i see. It's not possible to change bit depth in some sort of gui program?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Twitch: you probably need xlibs-dev
[10:19] <Twitch> thoreauputic, aight cool
[10:19] <delire> signius: truly. all the new Asus range are lovely. my m6n is carbon fibre, is super light and has 4.5hrs of battery life.
[10:19] <Twitch> thoreauputic, can i just get taht through sudo synaptic
[10:19] <delire> signius: carbon fibre chassis that is.
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Twitch: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[10:19] <ompaul> thoreauputic - that is a 3 hour and 10 minute install - bad CDs ohh well
[10:20] <delire> bigfoot: i'm not sure. some distributions do have a GUI for manipulating X settings such as this.
[10:20] <sTb> blub
[10:20] <thoreauputic> ompaul: ?
[10:20] <delire> bigfoot: i don't use gnome sadly and my ubuntu machine is at work.
[10:20] <geetergod> ok, im on gnome now
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Twitch: what are you compiling and why?
[10:20] <nalioth> delire: i hate those godawful nonstandard firewire ports
[10:20] <geetergod> where in device manager would it say?
[10:20] <delire> nalioth: right
[10:21] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, is there a way to change the screen's bit depth setting in GUI mode, and not by directly editing  /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:21] <Twitch> thoreauputic, it's a mud client, a game, and I'm doing it mainly cuz i'm bored and I wanted to mess with linux a little
[10:21] <delire> nalioth: i haven't experienced problems yet.
[10:21] <vanberge> wow... apt / synaptic is so much nicer than rpm
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Twitch: I see
[10:21] <signius> shame it hasnt got the ppc though
[10:21] <nalioth> delire: well i've never had anything that used the puny fw plugs (thankfully)
[10:21] <inc595> vanberge, yes they are
[10:21] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I don't know
[10:21] <picochu> guys is gmail down. I kept getting error messages from gmail.
[10:21] <Twitch> thoreauputic, It's not hard to tell I'm new to linux I just had spare parts and made a second box
[10:21] <signius> althought i read this morning apple are moving to intel chips
[10:21] <nalioth> delire: and i don't really want to go out and buy and adaptor
[10:21] <inc595> rpms or da devil
[10:21] <inc595> are^
[10:22] <nalioth> signius: yes you read correctly, but the speculation is still open as to HOW
[10:22] <delire> signius: probably Intel based PPC's, not x86
[10:22] <nalioth> inc595: rpms are satanspawned, yes
[10:22] <geetergod> where in device manager would it say if i have a 5.1 card?
[10:22] <signius> will be interested to see how the mac zelouts boast about that after they claimed for so many years ppc is the best and intel is garbage
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Twitch: if you're new to Linux, compiling is jmping in at the deep end ;)
[10:22] <delire> signius: they are very upset today ;)
[10:22] <nalioth> delire: now that would be a switch nobody saw comin
[10:22] <IcemanV9> signius: yeah. it'll be interesting year to watch Apple with intel chips
[10:22] <signius> have intel got any experience with PPC
[10:22] <delire> nalioth: hehe yes
[10:22] <picochu> signius: Power5 chips are really awesome
[10:22] <nalioth> delire: intel manf'd PPCs
[10:22] <signius> is PPC not licenced under IBM & Motorolla
[10:23] <delire> nalioth: well Apple have licensed a large portion of the arch spec from IBM.
[10:23] <signius> hmm i cant see IBM taking this laying down
[10:23] <nalioth> saw a article a couple weeks ago said apple might pair a itanium with a 970fx (for dual proc goodness)
[10:23] <Shido6> yes apple has a lot of experience with intel
[10:23] <picochu> interms of design, power5 chips make opterons and xeons look like cheapskates
[10:23] <Shido6> look at pearpc
[10:23] <signius> IBM have invested heavily in PPC
[10:23] <Shido6> look at rhapsody
[10:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is power5?
[10:23] <delire> signius: IBM doesn't need Apple. they have the console market, many times bigger. Appe is simply tiny
[10:23] <nalioth> signius: IBM is minting money for sony ps3, xbox2 and the new thing from nintendo
[10:23] <signius> and the new IBM openserver series is awsome
[10:24] <delire> s/Appe/Apple
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> ps3 sounds like it will kill xbox2
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> and it supports bluray..yayyyy
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> screw hddvd
[10:24] <vanberge> BROKEN_LADDER, only if they step up online play
[10:24] <delire> even m$ is using IBM's PPC arch in their console
[10:24] <sTb> bigfoot, are you on quakenet too?
[10:24] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: ps3 will kill everythinh
[10:24] <delire> nova: but that's *good* news ;)
[10:24] <bigfoot> sTb, no, i'm not on quakenet. why? does my nickname sound familiar?
[10:24] <geetergod> where in device manager would it say if i have a 5.1 card?
[10:24] <sTb> yes very much :P
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone else having problems with gmail?
[10:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> online play is a gimmick.
[10:25] <vanberge> geetergod, look for your 'audio device'  what type is it.
[10:25] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  yeah I'm going to stop after this little comilation lol
[10:25] <vanberge> it should give some details as to the model
[10:25] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: power5 is IBMs flagship big iron proc. multicored, SMP capable badness
[10:25] <sTb> BROKEN_LADDER,  not anymore
[10:25] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER i think gmail is fubared
[10:25] <stjepan> hi
[10:25] <signius> have you checked out the IBM openserver series
[10:25] <stjepan> guys
[10:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu yeah...ack.. i need to get into my account right now.
[10:25] <vanberge> geetergod, easier yet:  do you have available plug in ports for all 5 of your speakers??
[10:25] <signius> they have some serious serious technology in the higher spec machines
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> So IBM is making chips that rival Intel and Motorola?
[10:26] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER: I do pray that i still have my mails when it recovers
[10:26] <geetergod> they all plug in to the back of the sub
[10:26] <stjepan> what is the minimum free space for full installation of Ubuntu?
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> Motorola makes PPC right?
[10:26] <geetergod> but 3 speakers arent working
[10:26] <geetergod> 2 speakers and the sub work
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu oh i'm sure you will.
[10:26] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: the apple G5 is a dain-bramaged single cored version of the Power5
[10:26] <signius> motorolla used to make PPC i am not sure if they still do
[10:26] <thoreauputic> stjepan: around 2 Gig
[10:26] <stjepan> only 2 GB?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> stjepan: but that's a tight fit
[10:26] <stjepan> great
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> stjepan but you could remove countles unneeded apps and have it much much smaller.
[10:26] <nalioth> a motorola spinoff now makes G4 procs. IBM makes the G5s
[10:26] <stjepan> what?
[10:26] <signius> the new openserver series support hotswap CPUs like what the SUNS do
[10:26] <stjepan> It is "lite"?
[10:26] <stjepan> or full?
[10:27] <geetergod> vanberge, should that tell me i dont?
[10:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> stjepan huh?
[10:27] <signius> sun were the only people i know who supported hotswap cpus with the ultrasparc chips previously
[10:27] <delire> IBM is a competitor to Apple on the server side. secondly there's every reason to suggest IBM is going to start developing Linux for Cell at the political exclusion of other desktop OS manufacturers.
[10:27] <stjepan> you say tight fit
[10:27] <signius> though i may be mistaken
[10:27] <disasm> wow, i'm impressed! I had heard of ubuntu before but never ventured to try it. I put debian on my new lc2464 laptop after i got tired of fc3 (what came on it) and it kept locking up when I started X (I think it had something to do with Xfree86 or something) anyways, I finally downloaded an ubuntu iso and tried it, and I got everything setup in less than 12 hours!!!
[10:27] <picochu> signius but sun chips are dead slow... you don't call them slowlaris for nothing
[10:27] <thoreauputic> stjepan: a standard install is around 1.8G I think
[10:27] <nalioth> delire: yes, i get wood thinking of the linux kit for ps3
[10:27] <delire> disasm: congrats!
[10:27] <vanberge> geetergod, did you find the soundcard model in your device manager?
[10:28] <delire> nalioth: i'm planning to check it out also.
[10:28] <geetergod> no
[10:28] <IIIEars> !ubunturocks
[10:28] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[10:28] <signius> it depends on what solaris is doing solaris has capailities far exceding other os's and architectures even now
[10:28] <nalioth> delire: if that Cell Technology is what it's supposed to be.. .. .. (imagine a cluster of ps3s?)
[10:28] <IIIEars> !awards
[10:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[10:28] <disasm> the only annoyance was the forcing of gnome cups configure thingy, but I found a workaround googling for a few mins to re-enable the web interface, and wrote a quick iptables script to block all access on 631 not coming from localhost
[10:28] <signius> you cannot clock speeds of sparc with intel or amd
[10:29] <ivoks> disasm: wrong way
[10:29] <Twitch> thoreauputic, says it can't find libjpeg and apt-get doesn't have the package =(
[10:29] <signius> i think what cost sun is the high cost of the hardware
[10:29] <picochu> signius slowlaris is dying... last year sunw shipped more x86 server than ultrasparcs
[10:29] <ivoks> disasm: you should've just coment Auth lines in the end of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[10:29] <signius> yeah they are dumping the sparc chip
[10:29] <trixsey> Anyone here?
[10:29] <signius> not sure when but its end of life now
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Twitch: erm  apt-cache search libjpeg
[10:29] <signius> shame its an awesome chip
[10:29] <vanberge> geetergod, look in your device manager for 'sound' or 'audio'
[10:30] <geetergod> ST340014A?
[10:30] <synd> !synd
[10:30] <ubotu> well, synd is a badass
[10:30] <picochu> signius anyway sun don't fab sparcs, fujitstu does
[10:30] <geetergod> i can see Volume
[10:30] <trixsey> Anyone know any good DC++ client for Linux?
[10:30] <synd> 8D
[10:30] <vanberge> thanks trixsey
[10:30] <trixsey> Hello vanberge :o)
[10:30] <signius> you put BSD on an old ultra sparc and run apache or something on it and speed test it againt some fairly modern intel or amd chips
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Twitch: libjpeg62-dev - Development files for the IJG JPEG library << that's only one line o the output
[10:30] <disasm> ivoks: i'll do that, i like that better than the solution of having it run as user root
[10:30] <signius> it wont be a million miles behind
[10:31] <geetergod> under sound controller maybe?
[10:31] <ivoks> disasm: ;)
[10:31] <nalioth> trixsey: dcgui?
[10:31] <vanberge> geetergod, it should say something like that, yets
[10:31] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  that's the one I got
[10:31] <vanberge> yets = yes
[10:31] <signius> but all this apple sparc talk isnt helping me to get my gps unit working
[10:31] <geetergod> under device it just says Sound Controller
[10:31] <signius> im completely lost as to what to do now
[10:32] <geetergod> Vendor says Silicon Integrated Systems
[10:32] <signius> i dont have a frigging what its connected to
[10:32] <vanberge> geetergod, there is no 'model' in there anywhere?
[10:32] <iceman> I think i'll try a build around a Dos based Distro...
[10:32] <signius> i think i have the correct modules installed but i am stuck as to what to do now
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Twitch: apt-cache search is your friend
[10:32] <geetergod> no
[10:32] <Twitch> thoreauputic, haha thanks
[10:32] <picochu> finally gmail is back online again
[10:33] <signius> is anyone familar with gps units on a usb to serial adaptor
[10:33] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I appreciate the help
[10:33] <picochu> yikes... signius ii've got a blue tooth one.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:33] <disasm> ivoks: thanks, that did the trick
[10:33] <signius> lol
[10:34] <vanberge> geetergod, do you have a computer built by a company? or did you build it yourself
[10:34] <signius> i cant frigging bluetooth to work proper under windows half the time and they got the proper drivers allegedly
[10:34] <disasm> signius: yeah, i've used my garmin with gpsman, it just worked when i tried it
[10:34] <geetergod> built by a friend
[10:34] <picochu> signius who says anything about windows?
[10:34] <signius> i got a usb belkin bluetooth adapter and its crap
[10:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to find a new apartment.  rent in san francisco blows!!
[10:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't find a decent studio or 1br for under 1000$
[10:34] <picochu> signius condolences
[10:34] <geetergod> she doesnt remember what she put in it but she could check, she works at a puter store but i dont wanna runn all the way back down heh
[10:34] <vanberge> geetergod, did you ever have windows ?
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> we all had windows..let's face it.
[10:35] <vanberge> on that computer
[10:35] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER: no kidding... but SF is a nice place.
[10:35] <signius> disasm how you got it connected
[10:35] <geetergod> yes
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's way nice.
[10:35] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: i'm homeless
[10:35] <vanberge> geetergod, did you have 5.1 in windows ?
[10:35] <geetergod> I dont remember :(
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just sad that right now i have a pretty sweet place for 1400 split two ways, 8 blocks from Robin Williams's house..
[10:35] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER: the only problem is the chinese food there are pretty bad :P
[10:35] <disasm> well, the first step is make sure the usb serial module is loaded, and then just point gpsman to the tty device
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu i don't like chinese.  i like indian, thai, burmese.
[10:35] <signius> i think i have it loaded
[10:35] <geetergod> the speakers have an orange plug that isnt plugged into anything
[10:35] <signius> its listed when i do lsmod
[10:36] <geetergod> but it does nothing when i plug it in
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu burma superstar has the best burmese anywhere.
[10:36] <signius> but this is as far as i have got and i am stuck now
[10:36] <signius> in need of some assistance
[10:36] <geetergod> my center and 2 outside/surround speakers dont work
[10:36] <signius> still pretty much a linux noob
[10:36] <picochu> CA is a nice place, if only the rent isn't that high
[10:36] <delire> nova: does the pacakge name have 'fglrx' in it? how many 'fglrx' packages are installed?
[10:36] <disasm> signius: looks like maybe belkin_sa maybe
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> could greetergod's issue have something to do with needing a mixer specific to his card?  i needed envy24control to use mine.
[10:36] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  =( I now get a QT error
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu yup...the rent sucks.
[10:37] <JDahl> picochu, we could use some clean air, though
[10:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> GMAIL IS BACK UP !!!!!!!!!!
[10:37] <signius> lsusb lists the pl2303 usb-serial adaptor but doesnt list the garmin gps unit
[10:37] <signius> i have both usbserial and pl2303 listed in lsmod
[10:37] <picochu> JDahl the are isn't that bad... at least from San Jose to SF... can say the same for LA tho
[10:38] <signius> forget about te belkin things thats my bluetooth adapter
[10:38] <signius> the usb-serial is a pl2303
[10:38] <thoreauputic> Twitch: *cough* apt-cache search libqt | grep dev
[10:38] <Twitch> thoreauputic, nvm got it
[10:38] <JDahl> picochu, I am in LA and the smog and number of cars can be unbearable at times
[10:38] <signius> what command should i use to find the garmin gps
[10:38] <picochu> JDahl i love the smell of fresh pine when i drove along al camino real in the morning
[10:39] <signius> i have tried tail /dev/ttyUSB0 and nothing appears
[10:39] <disasm> signius: hmmm, i haven't used usb-serial with udev yet i wonder what device name it uses... let me see if i can find my garmin adapter and usb->serial apapter
[10:39] <signius> thanks you
[10:39] <signius> ill be in a couple of mins i just need to crap a drink
[10:39] <signius> crap = grap
[10:39] <signius> grab even
[10:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> i was gonna say
[10:39] <picochu> JDahl yeah LA 's pretty bad... especially the james
[10:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> EWWWWW
[10:40] <picochu> i mean jams
[10:40] <thoreauputic> *g*
[10:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[10:40] <picochu> JDahl: then again the jam at 101 early in the moring during those dot com days were just as bad
[10:40] <picochu> signius did u install ispell?
[10:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[10:41] <geetergod> Since only my 2 sides and sub work and center and surrounds dont work does that mean i dont have a 5.1 card?
[10:41] <signius> i do have my moments
[10:41] <geetergod> its a 5.1 speaker system
[10:41] <signius> i can talk proper typobollox on some days
[10:42] <delire> signius: crapping a drink sounds like a bad, and sorry end to a long night.
[10:42] <picochu> geetergod i can only managed to mirror my  left and right speakers for my 5.1 is it possible to have true 5.1 for my audigy 2?
[10:42] <signius> i agree sounds like a real bad idea
[10:42] <signius> LOL
[10:42] <geetergod> no idea
[10:43] <fraggsta> ok, I'm having trouble with linux-restricted-modules that I didn't really expect
[10:43] <delire> ;)
[10:43] <fraggsta> I install linux-k7 and linux-restricted-modules
[10:43] <geetergod> i just want all my speakers to work but i think i need a 5.1 card, but would a 5.1 system work 3 speakers without the right card?
[10:44] <fraggsta> upon restart, I get Xorg startup errors of:  Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[10:44] <fraggsta> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[10:44] <signius> disasm: how the lead coming along ?
[10:45] <delire> fraggsta: are you using DRI?
[10:45] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I'm getting a QT configure error
[10:45] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  something about he headers and libraries not being found
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Twitch: so you said, and I answered thoreauputic Twitch: *cough* apt-cache search libqt | grep dev
[10:46] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I went through all that
[10:46] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I got the packages
[10:46] <delire> Twitch: you may need to export the path. like so export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 or similar
[10:46] <Breenie> hi, I've just installed Ubuntu 5.04, my first linux installation ever. It won't start though, it just hangs on the "hotplug"-part of the startup sequence. Can anyone help me?
[10:46] <fraggsta> delire: no
[10:47] <delire> fraggsta: what graphics card?
[10:47] <Twitch> life is so difficult
[10:47] <vanberge> what is the best gui cd burning tool?  i usually just use cdrecord
[10:47] <Twitch> for me at least
[10:47] <ompaul> Breenie, I have just done yet another install :) so fresh in my mind is the idea that you might do the following
[10:47] <Boopop> Hello all
[10:47] <picochu> vanberge cdrecord is sooo passe i use growisofs
[10:47] <delire> Twitch: you're compiling software. you should see what windows users go through
[10:47] <vanberge> picochu, i think i want a gui one
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Twitch: it got better for the rest of us when you changed your nick ;)
[10:47] <delire> vanberge: k3b
[10:47] <picochu> vanberge : k3b?
[10:48] <Twitch> Delire: I use windows as well
[10:48] <fraggsta> delire: GF4 MX440
[10:48] <Breenie> ompaul, I appreciate all ideas (the one thing I tried is to disconnect all USB/Firewire cables)
[10:48] <Twitch> Delire: this is my second box
[10:48] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  lol anytime
[10:48] <Boopop> can someone help me with restoring GRUB using the Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog Installation Disc?
[10:48] <delire> fraggsta: are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[10:48] <penguinparty> where is the post bin website?
[10:48] <picochu> Twitch: burn in hell heathens! ;P
[10:48] <disasm> signius: found everything but the gps...
[10:48] <delire> Twitch: do you compile software in windows regularly?
[10:48] <fraggsta> delire: yes, that's why I need linux-restricted-modules
[10:48] <Twitch> delire: only thing i compile are my simple c++ projects
[10:48] <Boopop> Anybody?
[10:49] <ompaul> Breenie, what you might try is to install the 'server' version do it all automatic, after that you log in and run the following command `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` (I hope you have broadband)
[10:49] <delire> Twitch: is this the first time you've compiled software in linux?
[10:49] <vanberge> i have apt-got k3b
[10:49] <Twitch> delire: yes, yes it is
[10:49] <signius> ah
[10:49] <penguinparty> anyone know where the post bin website is? to post so I dont FLOOD?
[10:49] <delire> Twitch: what are you compiling?
[10:49] <signius> what do you suggest then
[10:49] <Twitch> delire: kmuddy, mud client
[10:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> www.pastebin.com
[10:49] <IIIEars> !pastebin
[10:49] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[10:49] <thoreauputic> penguinparty: pastebin.com will do
[10:49] <Boopop> Help please! :)
[10:50] <penguinparty> thanks!
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does firefox not stop this site from opening a pop-up window?! http://www.kodakgallery.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&Uc=6n4b0jjd.3ys91rzd&Uy=y0g05&Ux=1
[10:50] <delire> Twitch: ok. in the tarball (the archive you unpacked) is there an INSTALL file?
[10:50] <ompaul> Boopop, tell us what your problem is
[10:50] <Boopop> can someone help me with restoring GRUB using the Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog Installation Disc?
[10:50] <Boopop> there we go
[10:50] <signius> disasm: how is yoru gps connected ?
[10:50] <Breenie> ompaul, thanks for the tip. I'll try that. one thing though, do I download a server version, or is it included in the installation CD already (forgot the options I chose from, hehe)?
[10:50] <ompaul> Breenie, it is on the CD that is what I had to do today :(
[10:50] <Twitch> delire: no
[10:51] <disasm> serial adaptor
[10:51] <delire> Twitch: ok try './configure --help | grep QT'
[10:51] <Breenie> great, thanks for your help. I'll try it out!! appreciated
[10:51] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: it blocks the popup here
[10:51] <delire> Twitch: that may give you options for specifying your qt libraries directory
[10:51] <signius> my laptop hasnt got a serial por t
[10:51] <ompaul> Boopop, you would be better off with a live CD if you have one (more functionality)
[10:51] <johan_> is there a sound control in ubuntu
[10:51] <penguinparty> pastebin.com . . . Is it down?
[10:51] <Twitch> delire: I think I'll just wait till my friend who is familiar with Linux comes over tonight
[10:52] <Twitch> delire: Linux < Twitch
[10:52] <Twitch> delire: Linux > Twitch
[10:52] <thoreauputic> johan_: of course
[10:52] <ompaul> Boopop, the functionality is not the same for the install disk as a running system
[10:52] <johan_> i think the sound is set very low
[10:52] <johan_> what is it
[10:53] <thoreauputic> johan_: either the gnome volume control, or run alsamixer in a terminal
[10:53] <vanberge> k3b is for kde!!!
[10:53] <Shiggity> #Ubuntu: Thanks for making such an awesome distro guys. Everyone that looks at it is impressed.
[10:53] <vanberge> shoot!!
[10:53] <johan_> thanks
[10:53] <vanberge> i use gnome!!
[10:53] <__c4__> has anyone played with capturing digital video streams through a firewire/1394 port?
[10:53] <delire> Twitch: alright. your problem is the configure script is looking for quicktime but can't find it. it's probabably in /usr/share/qt3 in your machine. two ways of specifying this are by 'exporting the path' (which is like broadcasting it for your current session) or specifying the path to qt3 header et al from configure. another way is using ldd
[10:53] <IcemanV9> Boopop: you might want to check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[10:54] <delire> vanberge: you can still run it. doesn't 'nautilus' burn audio cd's?
[10:54] <signius> disasm: Have you given up ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> delire: not audio, no
[10:54] <delire> oh..
[10:54] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker does
[10:55] <disasm> no, i'm still looking for the gps
[10:55] <delire> KDE has a more robust multimedia suite, by a long shot.
[10:55] <thoreauputic> vanberge: for audio CDs try gnomebaker
[10:55] <delire> albeit i use neither gnome nor KDE
[10:55] <signius> disasm: ok thank you
[10:55] <vanberge> delire, im sure i can run it... but downloading it required dowloading of KDE
[10:55] <vanberge> i would rather not have done that
[10:55] <signius> i been at this for hours now and i am getting nowhere
[10:55] <fraggsta> delire: XFCE, or fluxbox then? :)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> vanberge: there's no reason not to install k3b on gnome though - unless you dislike the look
[10:56] <nalioth> vanberge: audio cd? i use k3b
[10:56] <delire> fraggsta no, i run http://wmi.modprobe.de
[10:56] <nalioth> vanberge: audio cd? i use k3b in gnome
[10:56] <johan_> whats the cmd to run gnome sound
[10:56] <delire> fraggsta: my window manager is called 'wmii'
[10:57] <thoreauputic> johan_: what are you trying to do?
[10:57] <delire> fraggsta on my work machine and student machines i run KDE
[10:57] <saibear> hey has any one used Unbutu with an HP laptop in here
[10:57] <glill32> hello, I'm a 62 year old retired police dispatcher from alabama, and my grandson told me about your ubuntu system so I got it loaded up on my computer. I did it all myself, just about, now I just can't get my screens set up quite right. My grandson said there was some community on this chat that could help me get it fixed up.
[10:57] <nalioth> welcome disquiet
[10:57] <disquiet> hey, nalioth
[10:57] <disquiet> are you the one who gave me that really simple link yesterday?
[10:58] <nalioth> glill32: what are the symptoms?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> glill32: you've been here before :)
[10:58] <johan_> i'd like a sound controller to put in the slit upon boot
[10:58] <disquiet> ooh never mind, I found it
[10:58] <nalioth> disquiet: what simple link was that?
[10:58] <glill32> But this time I am using Gaim.
[10:58] <johan_> so i thought gnome thingy or kmix would do
[10:58] <glill32> this is the same place, okay. should I re-explain my problem?
[10:59] <johan_> but i dont know name of the gnome sound thing
[10:59] <fraggsta> delire: heh, I haven't heard of it, I'll have to look at it once I get X running again
[10:59] <thoreauputic> glill32: you had 2 monitors, didn't you? Different kinds, you wanted xinerama or something/
[10:59] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:59] <IIIEars> glill32 - Welcome! - sorry to hear all didn't go smoothly. - you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or follow the link ubotu will give you
[10:59] <glill32> well yes, and here's the thing...
[10:59] <CrustyPunk> Um... is there a way to repair my Ubuntu install using the CD? More specifically, the xserver?
[10:59] <saibear> I have tryed everything i can think of my sound works but not with mp3s any help ?
[10:59] <delire> fraggsta: worth a look.. great to use.
[11:00] <IIIEars> !display
[11:00] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[11:00] <IIIEars> !xorg
[11:00] <johan_> thoreauputic whats the name of the gnome audio controller you told me about
[11:00] <glill32> the system seems to act like I have another monitor... except that the other monitor now shows up all fuzzy and distorted, and when I move the mouse over there it's just a big square.
[11:00] <wdh> saibear, search the wiki for 'restricted formats'
[11:00] <saibear> ok
[11:01] <thoreauputic> johan_: not sure of the command, but the applet is right there on the top panel
[11:01] <IIIEars> Display http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto lol - that poor bot thinks he is Einstein - needs meds. - grin
[11:01] <thoreauputic> johan_: try a right click on the speaker symbol
[11:01] <johan_> i dont have gnome
[11:01] <delire> fraggsta: try 'sudo modprobe nvidia'
[11:01] <johan_> but thanks
[11:01] <disasm> signius: found it
[11:01] <signius> :-)
[11:02] <signius> disasm: thats the best news i had all day
[11:02] <thoreauputic> johan_: erm - then why are you asking for the gnome control? Use alsamixer then
[11:02] <delire> fraggsta: i would say your /etc/X11/xorg.conf still has references for the old driver 'nv'
[11:02] <darkaudit> will Hoary get the new nvidia drivers?
[11:02] <glill32> see, I tried to manually rewrite the xorg.conf file for myself, and I must have broken it up somewhere in there.
[11:02] <fraggsta> delire: I've just manually installed the nvidia driver from the bin, seems to work..also for some reason it decided to give my secondary ATi a PCI device ID which was wrong :/
[11:02] <signius> disasm: is it complicated ?
[11:02] <disasm> signius: i'm 21, live in my own house, and run my own service repair business, this house doesn't get cleaned very often ;-)
[11:02] <delire> fraggsta: ok.. can happen
[11:03] <wdh> glill32, move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old for example and start 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:03] <signius> ok
[11:03] <johan_> as i told you i'd like it to go in the slit so obviously alsa would not do, maybe i'll try with kmix
[11:03] <wdh> glill32, and try inserting the right specifications for your monitor in that..
[11:03] <glill32> wdh: when I do that, it's going to put it back in "Clone" mode, isn't it?
[11:03] <glill32> and, how do I know the right specs for my monitor?
[11:03] <saibear> #efnet
[11:03] <signius> im 33 from the uk self employed also
[11:03] <fraggsta> delire: any idea of problems with the latest nvidia driver..for some reason X occasionally completely freezes other than mouse with it..I might have to go back to 6111 if it does it again
[11:03] <signius> though i do clean
[11:03] <wdh> glill32, user manual or manufacturers website
[11:04] <thoreauputic> johan_: I don't remember you mentioning the slit - look for windowmaker dock apps in that case
[11:04] <matthewrevell> hi guys
[11:04] <wdh> glill32, not sure what you mean with the 'clone mode'
[11:04] <signius> disasm: how did you find the GPS
[11:04] <thoreauputic> johan_: there's sure to be a volume control one
[11:04] <matthewrevell> Can anyone give me some idea why my iPod would suddenly be mounting as read-only
[11:05] <glill32> random question: Is the behaviour I'm experiencing the expected behavior of Ubuntu, or is this abnormal behavior, ie a bug?
[11:05] <delire> glill32: often on the back of the monitor you can find the refresh rates listed there. you can also safely try defaults using the reconfiguration method written above.
[11:05] <glill32> wdh: it displays the same thing on both screens, and puts both screens in 640x480. Maybe it's safe mode.
[11:05] <glill32> ok, I think I got it.
[11:06] <fraggsta> delire: hmm, is wmii by any chance like ratpoison?
[11:06] <signius> disasm: Are you there stil ?
[11:07] <wdh> glill32, there is physically one monitor in which two screens appear?
[11:07] <delire> glill32: as Linux distributions are made to run on so many different kinds of architectures and hardware (from very old to new) on the odd occassion things need a bit of tweaking to work. it's rarer these days, but still the case.
[11:07] <glill32> No, the same thing appears on both of them.
[11:07] <disasm> signius: its working
[11:07] <disasm> /dev/ttyUSB0 for me
[11:07] <signius> disasm: cool
[11:07] <wdh> glill32, physically one monitor? or two?
[11:07] <delire> wdh: clone mode simply allows you to have wht you see on your dekstop also appear on another monitor
[11:07] <glill32> Two physical monitors.
[11:07] <signius> thats what i tried
[11:07] <disasm> i just imported all my wp's to my new lappy (only prob is the lappy doesn't like long names...
[11:08] <signius> disasm: how did you get it working on that
[11:08] <wdh> ah.. ok
[11:08] <delire> wdh: he wants xinerama, which is an extension of one desktop across two monitors
[11:08] <wdh> missed that :)
[11:08] <glill32> I was told Ubuntu was something a novice should pretty much be able to pick up and use, this is why I feel kind of like a ditz now.
[11:08] <disasm> signius: i plugged in the usb->serial cable (hooked up to the serial garmin cable, which is hooked to the gps)
[11:08] <glill32> Okay, I am copying my old xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.old...
[11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ATI module generator V 2.0
[11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> [11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> initializing...
[11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[11:08] <signius> ok yeah thats the same as me
[11:08] <disasm> i then looked in /var/log/syslog, and saw that it assigned it the device /dev/ttyUSB0
[11:08] <wdh> glill32, well, for the quite common configurations it is.. xinerama however is less used and therefore less bug-free
[11:08] <delire> glill32: hehe hardly. you're actually trying something quite fiddly. it's perfectly possible to work it out though, just may need a bit of patience.
[11:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm can someone help me with installing ati drivers ?
[11:09] <delire> glill32: you have one monitor working fine though do you?
[11:09] <IIIEars> !ati
[11:09] <disasm> signius: then i put that as the device params in gpsman, and set protocol to garmin
[11:09] <glill32> Yes.
[11:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> could it be the wrong headers for my kernel ?
[11:09] <signius> mine is using MNEA
[11:09] <glill32> And in clone mode, they both work fine.
[11:09] <wdh> Pop_pa_FrEaK, try the wiki
[11:09] <nova> well delire i dont think theres any getting rid of this mesa garbage or the xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:09] <truz24> If you get undefined reference errors for the uncompress or compress function, add -lz last on your link line and try again! - that lib is not on my box, what package is it in so i can install  it ?
[11:09] <signius> NMEA
[11:09] <glill32> I get clone mode by running the dpkgreconfigure.
[11:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> wdh thank you
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> can I ask why there is no xmms-wma package?
[11:10] <delire> nova: you can't purge it? what happens?
[11:10] <disasm> spanglesontoast: what would that do?
[11:10] <nova> same as when in kde
[11:10] <spanglesontoast> play wma
[11:10] <glill32> wdh, sorry what was the command you told me to run after moving my xorg.conf?
[11:10] <nova> cant over right etc
[11:10] <kbrooks> Can I install 5.04 OVER 4.10 DURING the 4.10 installation?
[11:10] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i think w32codecs is what you need
[11:10] <nova> those old xorg drivers just wont uninstall
[11:10] <delire> nova: dpkg -i --force-overwrite package
[11:10] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i know i can't apt-get it because there isn't a vs for amd64 yet, but I think that's what i used on my old laptop
[11:10] <wdh> glill32,
[11:11] <nova> will try
[11:11] <disasm> spanglesontoast: err win32codecs
[11:11] <wdh> glill32, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:11] <signius> ok installing gpsman now
[11:11] <spanglesontoast> I have that installed
[11:11] <spanglesontoast> does it work with xmms?
[11:11] <delire> nova: dpkg -P --force-all package
[11:11] <kbrooks> Can I install 5.04 OVER 4.10 DURING the 4.10 installation?
[11:11] <delire> nova: this was the problem all along.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> glill32: you might want to read the warning at the top of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file first
[11:12] <wdh> kbrooks, its quite useless :)
[11:12] <glill32> ok, should I have this auto-detect the hardware then?
[11:12] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i might have gotten that off of some other marilat though, this is my first time using ubuntu
[11:12] <spanglesontoast> what conversion programs are there?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> glill32: tells you what to do before rerunning that command
[11:12] <alka_trash> anyone tried the latest nvidia driver?
[11:12] <wdh> kbrooks, just dont do the securityupdates when asked for..
[11:12] <kbrooks> Anyone?
[11:12] <spanglesontoast> is there any that allow me to convert wma to ogg?
[11:12] <wdh> and after that do the update to hoary
[11:12] <kbrooks> wdh, ok
[11:12] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: mencoder perhaps
[11:13] <disasm> spanglesontoast: yeah, i have something on one of my computers which does anything to ogg, don't remember what it was though
[11:13] <nova> same error on force all -p one
[11:13] <glill32> Who should be my driver? yesterday i figured out that it should be fglrx, is that right?
[11:13] <jeroen_> anyone experience with imac, ubuntu and sound ??
[11:13] <nova> and again its the mesa garbage that wont go away
[11:13] <signius> okhow do i get the data in to this gpsman ?
[11:13] <jeroen_> i cant get it to work
[11:13] <delire> nova: ok install the fglrx debian pacakge you made with --force-overwrite
[11:13] <nova> yeh i just did it seems to have taken
[11:13] <thoreauputic> glill32: you have an ati card?
[11:13] <nova> gona try now
[11:13] <delire> nova: it's not going to work as long as you have the old glx on there.
[11:13] <glill32> Yes, a Radeon 9000
[11:13] <glill32> with two plugs
[11:14] <nova> then its never going to work
[11:14] <nova> because i cant get rid of the xorg
[11:14] <thoreauputic> !ati
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> yea how do I force it to do that?
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> I wanto use fglrx from ati's site
[11:14] <thoreauputic> rats the factoid is too long
[11:14] <nova> ive been fighting with it all day spanglesontoast
[11:14] <thoreauputic> glill32: try doing !ati for info on ati cards
[11:14] <signius> i set the protocol to NMEA and its on /dv/
[11:14] <signius> oops
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> really?
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> lol
[11:14] <glill32> !ati
[11:14] <signius> its on /dev/tty0
[11:15] <delire> nova: purge fglrx first, then purge the xorg
[11:15] <jeroen_> ubuntu nad souns on an imac ?? somebody knows more about this?
[11:15] <delire> nova: then reinstall the fglrx ok?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> glill32: you should see it in pm/msg
[11:15] <glill32> ok, I am going ahead with the flgrx then!!!!!
[11:15] <IIIEars> ! videodriverhowto
[11:15] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[11:15] <wdh> glill32, have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaHowTo ??
[11:15] <nova> k
[11:15] <glill32> Yes, wdh. It got me where I am now.
[11:15] <wdh> glill32, good luck then :)
[11:15] <delire> glill32: hehe nice one.
[11:15] <spanglesontoast> yea the only reason I want to use the fglrx from ati
[11:16] <spanglesontoast> is because it comes with a gui
[11:16] <IIIEars> !display
[11:16] <ubotu> I guess display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[11:16] <delire> nova?
[11:16] <nova> trying
[11:16] <glill32> the best thing I can figure is that my resolution is wonky in the settings for my other video card.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> glill32: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto << if you haven't already
[11:17] <glill32> thoreauputic: I have. I figure now I'm using the flgrx drivers.
[11:17] <disasm> spanglesontoast: this converts to mp3, shouldn't be too hard to mod script for ogg
[11:17] <spanglesontoast> is there a way I can change the display driver on a keybind?
[11:17] <disasm> spanglesontoast: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/352%5DConvert%20WMA
[11:17] <thoreauputic> glill32: OK :)
[11:17] <spanglesontoast> ty
[11:18] <glill32> I figure I got everything in there right except the resolution of my other screen. is there a way I could show you good kind folks my xorg.conf file to you could look at it?
[11:18] <disasm> signius: did you get your gps working?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> glill32: someone might look if you paste it on pastebin.com
[11:18] <synd> how come my screensaver playback is choppy as all hell?
[11:18] <delire> glill32: have you used 'pastebin'? it's a public 'paste' site.
[11:18] <spanglesontoast> disasm that is a script to auto convert a file
[11:19] <delire> glill32: pastebin is exactly for this purpose :)
[11:20] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i know, isn't that what you want? convert wma's to ogg format?
[11:20] <signius> no
[11:20] <signius> i got the protocol set
[11:20] <synd> anyone?
[11:20] <signius> and also the /dev/ttyS0
[11:20] <signius> but nothing
[11:20] <nova> gone finaly lol
[11:20] <nova> now what delire?
[11:20] <glill32> that site appears to be down. :(
[11:20] <disasm> signius: /dev/ttyUSB0 try that
[11:21] <delire> nova: hah great ;)
[11:21] <spanglesontoast> not everytime I run the player
[11:21] <synd> how come my screensaver playback is choppy as all hell?
[11:21] <nova> now just reinstall .deb?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> !pastebin
[11:21] <ubotu> pastebin is probably http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[11:21] <delire> nova: yep. and recompile the driver
[11:21] <thoreauputic> glill32: try the other one
[11:21] <disasm> spanglesontoast: you run the script once, it takes all the wma's in the directory and converts to mp3's
[11:21] <delire> nova: in fact, just reinstall the fglrx deb and try an X restart
[11:21] <nova> k
[11:21] <nova> heres goes nothing (probably nothing as i no x hahah)
[11:22] <glill32> "connection refused"
[11:22] <signius> do i need to stop and start anything after making the changes ?
[11:22] <fraggsta> ok, someone riddle me this
[11:22] <delire> glill32: hmm
[11:22] <isai> hi
[11:22] <ompaul> wc /etc/fstab gives 19  112 1194 /etc/fstab
[11:22] <ompaul> and thats just too much information
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hmm... the ubuntu one is rfusing connections too
[11:22] <isai> how do I watch DVDs?
[11:23] <fraggsta> when I log into GNOME, some the icons for things like a hard drive partition on /dev/hdd that is mounted at boot and an NFS share that is also mounted at boot (both from the /etc/fstab) are not on the desktop until I do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[11:23] <fraggsta> why is this?
[11:23] <TobiasFar> configure doesn't find any c & cpp compiler. but i've installed them via synaptic.
[11:23] <thoreauputic> glill32: http://pastebin.ca/
[11:23] <thoreauputic> glill32: taht's up at least
[11:23] <thoreauputic> *that's
[11:24] <delire> pastebin is down for me here <-- denmark
[11:24] <nova> hmm
[11:24] <JDahl> TobiasFar, try to install build-essentials
[11:24] <nova> still same thing with the mesa trash
[11:24] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:24] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:24] <delire> nova: that's cool. *now* recompile that driver ok?
[11:24] <nova> infact its all the same
[11:24] <nova> yeh gona try
[11:24] <thoreauputic> delire: pastebin.ca seems to be up here
[11:24] <nova> made a shell script the first time around
[11:24] <delire> nova: from outside X. nice and clean and make sure you install it.
[11:24] <fraggsta> so, anyone got any ideas?  It's getting really annoying having to do "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart" every tiem I log into GNOME
[11:25] <nova> k
[11:25] <delire> nova: so cd build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. sh make_install.sh
[11:25] <delire> nova: you get the drift
[11:25] <nova> yep
[11:25] <mrchicago> hello
[11:25] <delire> nova: if that doesn't work. shoot the screen
[11:25] <nova> infact ill make a new shell script
[11:25] <mrchicago> im having probs with the torrent
[11:25] <delire> nova: wise
[11:25] <mrchicago> im trying to dl ubuntu
[11:25] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: /topic
[11:25] <mrchicago> and all im getting is connection refused
[11:26] <delire> nova: make sure you modprobe fglrx afterwards too
[11:26] <signius> there must be a way to know for sure what the GPS is connected to for sure
[11:26] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: ^^^
[11:26] <mrchicago> ok
[11:26] <mrchicago> :)
[11:26] <delire> nova: out with the old, in with the new. rmmod the old fglrx first, and then modprobe the new fglrx
[11:26] <mrchicago> that isnt cool
[11:27] <mrchicago> heh
[11:27] <IIIEars> mrchicago a torrent D/L is a bit slower but works every time. - spreads bandwidth too.
[11:27] <mrchicago> im about 80 percent into it
[11:27] <disasm> signius: run your favorite terminal type sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog unplug usb plugin usb
[11:27] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[11:27] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying <IP_ADDRESS>... / Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>. / Escape character is
[11:27] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[11:27] <glill32> that took forever
[11:27] <mrchicago> i dont mind that
[11:27] <disasm> signius: there maybe some gui trick, but I've always just tailed syslog to figure out whats going on with hardware...
[11:27] <mrchicago> i just wanted a copy to try out
[11:28] <glill32> http://pastebin.ca/13392 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:28] <delire> hehe
[11:29] <mrchicago> ah maybe the torrent will be up later
[11:30] <spanglesontoast> why cannot you install the driver from ati's site?
[11:30] <mrchicago> ubuntu have apt-get
[11:30] <mrchicago> since its a deb derivitive
[11:30] <thoreauputic> glill32: I wonder if changing the depth to 16 for the second one would get you better than 800x600 ? (just guessing )
[11:30] <signius> ==> /var/log/syslog <==
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost udev[11491] : removing device node '/dev/ttyUSB0'
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 4
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost kernel: PL-2303 ttyUSB0: PL-2303 converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost kernel: pl2303 2-2:1.0: device disconnected
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: pl2303 2-2:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected
[11:31] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[11:31] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost usb.agent[11551] :      pl2303: already loaded
[11:31] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost udev[11590] : creating device node '/dev/ttyUSB0'
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> OI
[11:31] <signius> sorry for the soamming guys
[11:31] <signius> spamming*
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> cut that out
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> well it's more than 6 lines
[11:31] <glill32> thoreauputic: I don't want better than 800x600, I want 800x600.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> glill32: ah, OK
[11:31] <mrchicago> k?
[11:32] <glill32> because that's my 36" screen
[11:32] <signius> I am sorry but i been at this hours so had to spam the info
[11:32] <signius> once again appologies
[11:32] <mrchicago> whats with the kernel mod stuff
[11:32] <fraggsta> ok, I noticed there was no sound when I logged in just now
[11:32] <fraggsta> so I tried some stuff..
[11:32] <fraggsta> jrw6@pants:~ $ esd&
[11:32] <fraggsta> Unable to connect to UNIX socket /tmp/.esd/socket
[11:32] <fraggsta> ??
[11:33] <Sero> Does Ubuntu install with Java?
[11:33] <ompaul> Sero, no
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Sero: no
[11:33] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[11:33] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:33] <glill32> I appreciate you all taking your time, but maybe I'll have time to fool with this someday later.
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Sero: see the bot's URL
[11:33] <Shiggity> I'm suprised that blackdown's isn't included.
[11:33] <mrchicago> ill try wget
[11:33] <delire> Sero: no you need a distribution support non-free stuff like Mepis to do that. ethically unsound, but does 'just work'
[11:34] <delire> Sero: you can however install Java quite easily in ubuntu after the installation of ubuntu itself
[11:34] <Shiggity> delire, why would it be ethically unsound to include Java in your distro?
[11:34] <glill32> bye.
[11:34] <delire> Shiggity: it's non-free
[11:34] <signius> disasm: did you get my output ?
[11:34] <delire> glill32: ok bye. come again
[11:34] <disasm> signius: /dev/ttyUSB0
[11:35] <signius> yeah
[11:35] <disasm> signius: if you need to spam anything feel free to just msg me instead of in the channel
[11:35] <signius> ok thanks
[11:35] <Shiggity> delire, there are free versions that Ubuntu should include. Java is too powerful to be disincluded from a distrobution.
[11:35] <mrchicago> sun wants to be paid liscening
[11:35] <signius> so it is defintalty /dev/ttyUSB0 isnt it
[11:35] <glill32> well i will only be coming by again if I ever determine I have the time to fool with all this. Ubuntu seems like a nice system, but it really should have that screen in Windows where you can see and adjust all your monitors easily, if my opinion counts. bye.
[11:35] <signius> so why the hell it not getting any data from it
[11:35] <mrchicago> for java when it comes to including it as an os option
[11:36] <disasm> signius: thats the device, what type of gps is it?
[11:36] <delire> Shiggity: personally, i agree. but complain to Sun. the apache foundation seeks to change all that, with a GPL'd distribution of java
[11:36] <signius> garmin etrex legend
[11:36] <signius> which is known to work with linus
[11:36] <signius> linux*
[11:36] <thoreauputic> glill32: soon, one hopes - the community doesn't have the resources taht MS have
[11:37] <mrchicago> dvd?
[11:37] <Zodiac> Hello all
[11:37] <mrchicago> wouldnt that mean
[11:37] <Zodiac> Well I had my first crash :(
[11:37] <delire> thoreauputic: Ubuntu is *nearly* for newbies ;)
[11:37] <Zodiac> dag
[11:37] <mrchicago> that dvd rip an sstuff wouldnt work
[11:37] <stevo_incoH> Can someone help me get my touchpad to work on my laptop? (new install) :)
[11:37] <synd> hoorah ubuntu is #26 on the top 100 products of 2005 by PC World!
[11:37] <Shiggity> Is Ubuntu looking to include configuration tools similar to what glill32 talked about?
[11:37] <mrchicago> <--likes the packages in it
[11:38] <ompaul> synd, shame, it should be higher
[11:38] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:38] <disasm> signius: i got a garmin etrex vista so they should be similar
[11:38] <Zodiac> nice
[11:38] <thoreauputic> delire: and people are not used to the open model where you can't really blame a manufacturer ;/
[11:38] <Zodiac> Top 100 eh?
[11:38] <delire> Shiggity: if you want that install Mepis or Xandros. their KDE suites do support X configuration from the desktop
[11:38] <synd> ompaul: yes, i agree
[11:38] <delire> thoreauputic: precisely
[11:38] <Zodiac> KDE stinks :(
[11:38] <Sero> ompaul, thoreauputic, could you tell me what package I'd install because there are alot of java things here.
[11:38] <mrchicago> know the feeling
[11:38] <delire> Zodiac: i disgree.
[11:38] <mrchicago> i never liked kde
[11:38] <Shiggity> delire, I am able to edit configuration files but I thought my programming skills could possibly be used for usability purposes.
[11:38] <Zodiac> me either
[11:38] <Zodiac> dunno why
[11:39] <synd> and for all you itunes haters, iTunes is the highest ranking media player : )
[11:39] <Zodiac> I just like GNOME better
[11:39] <Zodiac> aww that is weak
[11:39] <Zodiac> where is this article?
[11:39] <mrchicago> heh
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Sero: you probably want the latest java runtime bin file from Sun
[11:39] <mrchicago> did they ever make an i tunes ofr linux
[11:39] <CrustyPunk> Are there any other DVD players for Ubuntu other than Totem?
[11:39] <delire> Zodiac: i don't use gnome or KDE, but see KDE doing alot more for Linux adoption that gnome. i teach on Linux and have seen both sides of the useability argument.
[11:39] <mrchicago> thoreauputic, has a point
[11:39] <mrchicago> the sun files are easy to use
[11:39] <disasm> signius: CrustyPunk mplayer?
[11:39] <synd> Zodiac: pcworld.com
[11:39] <ompaul> Sero, I concur with thoreauputic, on the grounds that the others are not as complete
[11:40] <disasm> CrustyPunk: mplayer
[11:40] <stevo_incoH> mrchicago: the last copy of Lunux Journal had something about that (iTunes for Linux)
[11:40] <CrustyPunk> disasm, mplayer does dvds?
[11:40] <CrustyPunk> disasm, nifty
[11:40] <rudi1234> wie kann man sata platten mounten
[11:40] <Shiggity> delire, where do you teach Linux at?
[11:40] <disasm> CrustyPunk: with libdvdcss
[11:40] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: i think i resolved my "overheating" problem; one of fans wasn't working .. has to take the laptop apart to clean it. now it's working beautifully
[11:40] <delire> Zodiac: my students generally prefer KDE far more, and get going with Linux far quicker. however the 'geeks' in my classes far prefer Gnome
[11:40] <signius> disasm: if i turn the gps on and off while tail is running nothing happens
[11:40] <disasm> CrustyPunk: also xine
[11:40] <discman> what command can I use to delete an ext3 filesystem (in this case from a RAID device, dev/md0)?
[11:40] <nova> absolutly no diffrence delire
[11:40] <nova> still mesacrap3d
[11:40] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: how's yours? did you find the solution?
[11:40] <delire> Shiggity: i teach game development at various instutitions throughout Europe
[11:41] <signius> disasm: Its set to use NMEA and 4800baud
[11:41] <CrustyPunk> I couldn't get xine to work right last time I tried.. I can try again, though
[11:41] <mrchicago> delire, you do???
[11:41] <CrustyPunk> disasm, thanks
[11:41] <Shiggity> delire, awesome. I was hoping for an approach closer to grade school so I could obtain advice but cool none the less.
[11:41] <mrchicago> killer
[11:41] <mrchicago> ive been tryingout allegro and dig it
[11:41] <mrchicago> ive done some vb games
[11:41] <disasm> signius: is your gps model garmin?
[11:41] <signius> yes
[11:41] <delire> nova: well then i don't know. from here all i can suggest is trying to turn off framebuffer support in your config, also loading the agp drivers again and trying.
[11:42] <Zodiac> delire
[11:42] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:42] <synd> how come my screensaver playback is choppy as all hell?
[11:42] <Zodiac> Very good then
[11:42] <nova> i fix the damn thing im gona make a shell script to do it all in one shot
[11:42] <disasm> signius: Default protocol should be garmin
[11:42] <delire> Shiggity: right. you want to get into game development?
[11:42] <Zodiac> Man so I had my first Ubuntu crash today
[11:42] <mrchicago> but definatly would like to do more c stuff
[11:42] <nova> and edit config as you just mentioned
[11:42] <signius> yeah but i use NMEA
[11:42] <tsume> hi there
[11:42] <Zodiac> It was really weird too
[11:42] <mrchicago> especially like opengl or sdl
[11:42] <delire> nova: yep.
[11:42] <ompaul> delire, a comment that was made to me the year before last year by a senior 'suse' person was that studies they had carried out were that new users went for KDE and people using linux for a while used gnome, to give an exception to this, I know a guy who has been using variants on the debian theme since adam was a boy and he is a kde head
[11:42] <signius> and NMEA is the major standard
[11:42] <tsume> my fonts are fuzzy after using the nvidia module. Anyone have a solution?
[11:42] <mrchicago> <---hates directx
[11:42] <signius> GARMIN is proprietry
[11:43] <tsume> they look crisp when using nv instead of nvidia
[11:43] <synd> time for some steely dan
[11:43] <delire> ompaul: this is my experience also.
[11:43] <signius> i dont think kismet understands garmin either only NMEA
[11:43] <delire> ompaul: that said, most only seem to move from KDE, because they *can*. many never cease to change DE's.
[11:44] <Zodiac> I dunno, I am a linux noob and I just never took to KDE
[11:44] <delire> ompaul: the 'geeks' however are the exception.
[11:44] <Zodiac> it just didnt look as nice
[11:44] <chris-28> searching meaning about w-lan with ubuntu. want install ubuntu on my laptop.
[11:44] <ompaul> delire, I pine for fvwm2, when it was new :)
[11:44] <delire> personally, i think that gnome Icons really really need a workover.
[11:44] <Zodiac> I am running Ubuntu on my laptop
[11:44] <delire> ompaul: hehe yes, i love fvwm2 still
[11:44] <synd> delire: theres an abundance of icons on gnome-look.org
[11:44] <synd> !gnome
[11:44] <ubotu> hmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
[11:45] <Shiggity> delire, I want to teach Linux. I feel there are many people that can benefit from it but are scared.
[11:45] <ompaul> delire, at the risk of reminding you, that would be a little over 10 years ago
[11:45] <Shiggity> delire, I feel that students today are becoming less educated than my generation with computers. They learn one set of software instead of how to use a computer.
[11:45] <delire> synd: yes, then why such horrid default fonts? the 'home' icon has been with us for how many years? thankfully Canonical has a bounty on new default icons for gnome in Ubuntu
[11:46] <ompaul> Shiggity, that is a common observation
[11:46] <Shiggity> Game development seems fun but a great deal of work with little payoff in 'butterfly feelings'
[11:46] <delire> ompaul: hehe yes. i moved from fvwm2 through the *box's through to wmi where i am now.
[11:46] <delire> ompaul: i tend to spend a few years with a wm
[11:46] <delire> ompaul: well perhaps 2
[11:46] <Shiggity> ompaul, I would like to teach part time to adults or students and try and allow them to use a computer.
[11:46] <lunarknight> can someone make 2.37 blender package please -_-
[11:47] <chris-28> Zodiac: last time it tried it with ndiswraper and it worked but it was so slow
[11:47] <Kartagis> can you help me with my telnet issue please?
[11:47] <delire> lunarknight: it's in debian testing
[11:47] <ompaul> delire, well I used fvwm2 then KDE then gnome (when religion was a reason if you get my drift) and have not gone back I dabble in others just to see how they do stuff but stick to gnome
[11:47] <lunarknight> delire, how do I get it from debian testing?
[11:47] <delire> Shiggity: game development has great payoff. i teach only FOSS game development, which is a big, yet new area many institutions are exploring
[11:47] <adam> hum
[11:47] <adam> can i play
[11:47] <Shiggity> Personally I've enojyed both Gnome and KDE. Fluxbox has caught my interst in 'hacker looks' though.
[11:47] <Zodiac> Yea... I still havent gotten it to work... but to be fair I havent really devoted to much time to it
[11:48] <adam> to battlefield vietnam?
[11:48] <synd> adam: ?
[11:48] <Zodiac> mostly I just connect directly
[11:48] <delire> lunarknight: i would simply grab the tarball from blender.org and ./blender
[11:48] <synd> xfce eats all desktop managers
[11:48] <Zodiac> Hey guys, how do you install new icons from gnome-look.org>
[11:48] <Zodiac> ?
[11:48] <Shiggity> delire, That is great! Do you guys have anything available to the public to play with? That is very respectful of you to do that.
[11:48] <adam> synd, can i play to battlefield vietnam in linux
[11:48] <delire> Shiggity: see wmi.modprobe.de
[11:48] <Shiggity> synd, I've been very impressed with xfce.
[11:48] <synd> Zodiac: put them in the ~/.icons folder
[11:48] <adam> so ?
[11:48] <delire> Shiggity: do you mean games?
[11:49] <Zodiac> c'mon
[11:49] <synd> Zodiac: untar the tar into the ~/.icons folder
[11:49] <Zodiac> Its that easy?
[11:49] <Zodiac> nice
[11:49] <adam> for play?
[11:49] <toukijin_user2> could anyone please help me with freeNX?
[11:49] <Shiggity> delire, Yup!  I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[11:49] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying <IP_ADDRESS>... / Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>. / Escape character is
[11:49] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[11:49] <Zodiac> where is the icons folder again?
[11:49] <IIIEars> delire - can you recommend a scrabble clone? XScrabble 2.10 works but is ages old.
[11:49] <delire> Shiggity: my students here in denmark have made a bunch of games. i'll be uploading a few soon enough.
[11:49] <adam> Can we play to a game in linux?
[11:49] <ompaul> Shiggity, you can start the lessons with, everything you know is wrong, computing is not hard, or expensive, except for the money you put in hardware, no more random installs, no more random viruses, no more reboots every time you update a 10k program etc
[11:49] <adam> hitman or battlefield
[11:49] <synd> Zodiac: ~/,icons
[11:49] <delire> IIIEars: hmm, no sadly.
[11:50] <synd> Zodiac: ~/.icons
[11:50] <synd> i mean
[11:50] <IIIEars> Thanks :)
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: ~/.icons << your home dir
[11:50] <adam> :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(
[11:50] <Shiggity> ompaul, Good advice. I've been doing that so far.
[11:50] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:50] <Zodiac> thanx fellas
[11:50] <nova> delire what was you saying about the agp stuff again
[11:50] <Shiggity> ompaul, I swear, a friend almost crapped her pants last night when she found that she could apt-get everything instead of hand install packages.
[11:50] <synd> Zodiac: and you can select that theme of icons from System > Prefs > Theme
[11:50] <chris-28> Zodiac: thanks
[11:50] <Chislon> anyone willing to help me?
[11:51] <IcemanV9> Chislon: just ask :)
[11:51] <kent> are there a schedule for on www.ubuntu.com  for the release of breezy? Like, when it get freezed etc?
[11:51] <Shiggity> Chislon, just ask, there's no need to ask to ask here :-D
[11:51] <delire> adam: a few here. http://games.linux.sk/ and http://linuxgames.com/
[11:51] <adam> Can i play to battlefield vietnam in UBUNTU
[11:51] <nova> the xorg drivers are completly ogone now and all i have left is my ones from the aliened ati rpm to deb ati file
[11:51] <thoreauputic> kent: freeze in Sep, release October
[11:51] <Chislon> ok thank you
[11:51] <synd> kent: its not due for a while.
[11:51] <delire> nova: and compiled and installed?
[11:51] <adam> delire ok thx but, i wnt to know for BFV