[01:06] <mohbana> fix the icedtea already please
[02:28] <ryanakca> What would you do with a bug like 193843? Invalid? Switch it to the Synaptic package and mark as "Triaged,Wishlist"?
[02:30] <secretlondon> bug #193843
[02:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193843 in kubuntu-meta "Please port synaptic to KDE or Qt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193843
[02:31] <secretlondon> wishlist certainly
[02:31] <secretlondon> keep it on kde I think
[02:31] <secretlondon> it's a bug on kubuntu, not on synaptic
[02:34] <RAOF> Isn't that just _Adept_?
[02:35] <ryanakca> RAOF: imho, its a "we probably won't ever do that" bug...
[02:37] <RAOF> What I mean is, doesn't Adept fill the same role as synaptic for KDE?  In which case, the bug is invalid.
[02:37] <secretlondon> well they are complaining that adept doesn't do the job
[02:38] <RAOF> Right.  So it's one or more wishlist bugs against adept?
[02:39] <secretlondon> yes
[02:39] <RAOF> Now, having actually read the bug I'm more inclined to punt it as invalid, and ask for the filer to file some wishlist bugs against adept.
[02:41] <ryanakca> RAOF: ok, I'll do that.
[02:42] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[03:14] <yuriy> ryanakca: good answer
[03:15] <ryanakca> yuriy: thanks :)
[03:15] <yuriy> i saw that bug and was going to say something along the lines of this should be a spec, but work is underway on a new version of adept anyway, but didn't have the energy to put it nicely
[03:16] <ryanakca> :)
[03:29] <greg-g> dang secretlondon, you're on top of those sound bugs :)
[03:29] <secretlondon> greg-g I'm looking out for them using ubotu ;)
[03:31] <greg-g> secretlondon: yeah, I keep checking in there every 10-15 minutes, but you always beat me ;)
[03:31] <secretlondon> :P
[03:31] <greg-g> hey, can I ask your opinion/help on linking an upstream real quick?
[03:32] <secretlondon> sure
[03:32] <greg-g> I'm looking at bug 190240
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190240 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox podcast reciever fails to download enapsulated data that includes a redirect" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190240
[03:32] <greg-g> I have found these two in bugzilla.gnome:
[03:32] <greg-g> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489173
[03:32] <greg-g> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503628
[03:33] <ubotu> Gnome bug 489173 in Podcast "Fails to subscribe to complex podcast addresses" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:33] <greg-g> and I have heard that it is reported in bugzilla.gnome so I am just trying to find it, but I'm not exactly sure if either of those is the same bug
[03:33] <ubotu> Gnome bug 503628 in Podcast "R-b can't download episodes from a CNN podcast" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:33] <secretlondon> they both have ? in them
[03:34] <greg-g> yeah
[03:34] <greg-g> so, they might be dupes themselves
[03:34] <secretlondon> yeah
[03:34] <secretlondon> and neither are confirmed
[03:34] <greg-g> right
[03:34] <secretlondon> so the earliest maybe?
[03:35] <greg-g> and I've never done bug management (other than forwarding LP bugs to it) in bugzilla.gnome
[03:35] <secretlondon> maybe mention the other one in your report
[03:35] <secretlondon> let them decide if they are dupes
[03:35] <greg-g> true true
[04:21]  * secretlondon wonders wtf we are supposed to do with bug #200446
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200446 in ubuntu "ubuntu7.10在中文界面下的PDF支持不是完美的，因为有时候中文是一个字，（比如“厚”，但是在PDF阅读器的目录里会显示为相近的“辱”。类似的有“胥”与“青”" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200446
[04:25] <RAOF> Push it through google?
[04:26] <RAOF> And then mention that we actually only handle bugs in English? :/
[04:26] <secretlondon> we could try, but it's only a few lines of text anyway. I guess it's not even a proper bug even if we could translate it
[04:27] <secretlondon> we *should* also be able to handle bugs in not english, as we do make a big thing of localisation
[04:27] <secretlondon> and yet our systems are completely monolingual
[04:34] <techno_freak> or LP should handle this internally and post the english translated version as comment ;)
[04:34] <RAOF> secretlondon: It looks like it probably is a bug, after pushing through google.
[04:34] <secretlondon> RAOF thanks
[04:34] <secretlondon> techno_freak: machine translation? I think maybe tagging bugs with language and native speakers of X language looking for bugs with that tag?
[04:37] <techno_freak> secretlondon, LP can ask the Orig reporter to mark his language, if its not english, and provide an option for others to see a translation of it may be use google at the back end.
[04:38] <techno_freak> tagging bugs with language is a good idea too
[04:38] <RAOF> techno_freak: That's a good idea - we should probably file that as a bug against launchpad.
[04:38] <techno_freak> :)
[04:40] <RAOF> techno_freak: Would you credit it?  People have thought of this before :) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/52955.
[04:42]  * techno_freak checks
[04:56] <techno_freak> ah, me and RAOF commented the same google translation ;) but it was me who was late :|
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52955 in malone "translators for non-english bug reports" [Wishlist,New]
[05:15] <RAOF> Welcome back ubotu.
[06:47] <techno_freak> can someone help me remove 'Ubuntu India Loco Team' from the list of subscribed teams for the bug #183958 ?
[06:50] <secretlondon> techno_freak: don't have the permissions to look at it
[06:50] <secretlondon> i'm in bug control too
[06:51] <techno_freak> secretlondon, can't catch hold of the list admin is not easy job, so trying to find some one else who can do it.
[06:52] <techno_freak> the entire people subscribed to loco team is now spamming back, half of them wondering why they are in the team still :S
[06:53] <secretlondon> you probably need someone from canonical
[06:54] <techno_freak> hmm :)
[06:55] <ubotu> Bug 183958 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/183958 is private
[07:57] <hggdh> all: just had a chat with pitti on #ubuntu-desktop -- apport-retrace is disabled for gutsy crashes. As a result, any bug created by apport will be inaccessible to bug triagers. In fact, it will only be accessible to the reporter...
[07:58] <secretlondon> oh
[07:59] <hggdh> I am not sure I was able to explain to pitti the consequences to bug triaging. Help is very welcome
[08:00] <secretlondon> did he say why apport has been disabled for gutsy?
[08:01] <hggdh> (2008-03-10 02:47:40) pitti: hggdh: I disabled that, since gutsy's python-launchpad-bugs is totally out of date
[08:01] <hggdh> (2008-03-10 02:47:54) pitti: hggdh: the subscription is done by the retracer
[08:02] <secretlondon> so how are we supposed to deal with gutsy bugs?
[08:02] <hggdh> (time is US CDT -- forgot to update my system time to GMT+1)
[08:02] <secretlondon> cdt =-6?
[08:02] <hggdh> I guess, right now, we are *not*
[08:02] <hggdh> right now CDT=gmt-6
[08:02] <secretlondon> maybe bdmurray needs to speak to him
[08:02] <hggdh> perhaps...
[08:03] <hggdh> I can understand not having retraces on 7.10, but not being blocked from bug triaging
[08:03] <secretlondon> but there is question of how to triage a bug without a retrace
[08:04] <secretlondon> we probably shouldn't even be accepting them if we aren't going to do anything with them
[08:04] <hggdh> secretlondon: please keep in mind that lack of access is restricted to apport-generated bugs
[08:04] <secretlondon> they are pretty big uploads
[08:05] <secretlondon> hggdh: sure I know. but we can't do a lot with a .crash file
[08:05] <hggdh> even without apport-retrace, if the bug is opened by someone that has installed the necessary debug packages, the local apport-gtk trace would be enough
[08:05] <secretlondon> true
[08:05] <hggdh> but this is purely theoretically interesting, since we will not have access anyway
[08:06] <hggdh> sigh. oh tempora, oh mores
[08:06] <secretlondon> but we don't not have access *by design*, just as a consequence?
[08:06] <hggdh> I cannot answer that
[08:06] <hggdh> meaning I do not know
[08:08] <secretlondon> regardless someone needs to do something about bug #183958 as a whole loco team has been subscribed to it
[08:08] <ubotu> Bug 183958 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/183958 is private
[08:08] <secretlondon> even if it needs a canonical sysadmin
[08:09] <hggdh> :-) as one should have expected, I cannot even see it. Cool. I am a bug triager that is forbidden to triage.
[08:09] <techno_freak> ah
[08:10] <techno_freak> some one set it as private, thinking that will stop the mails they get
[08:10] <secretlondon> but bug control can normally see private bugs
[08:10] <secretlondon> but i can't see that one
[08:11] <hggdh> and unsubscribed bug triagers also...
[08:11] <hggdh> bug control and QA can see most bugs because we get automagically subscribed to them
[08:11] <secretlondon> ah
[08:11] <techno_freak> the problem is people started unsubscribing from the team to get rid of the spam
[08:12] <RAOF> I'm in ~ubuntu-dev, and I can't view that bug, which means that it's not in Ubuntu?
[08:13] <hggdh> RAOF: no, it means you are not subcribed to it (either directly, or via a group subscription)
[08:13] <hggdh> or, of course, it is set as a security issue
[08:13] <techno_freak> oops, something happened, i can't see it too :s
[08:13] <hggdh> all: welcome to my personall hell, since yesterday
[11:25] <secretlondon> hi pedro_
[11:25] <pedro_> hello secretlondon!
[11:30] <secretlondon> pedro_ there is a problem with gutsy apport bugs apparently - i'm told that we don't have access to them anymore
 all: just had a chat with pitti on #ubuntu-desktop -- apport-retrace is disabled for gutsy crashes. As a result, any bug created by apport will be inaccessible to bug triagers. In fact, it will only be accessible to the reporter..
[11:33] <secretlondon> Bug #200338 is the bug of the day, 21 duplicates and counting
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[11:37] <techno_freak> ah
[11:44] <Iulian> Hey
[11:45] <techno_freak> Iulian, heya
[11:46] <Iulian> Hi techno_freak
[11:46] <secretlondon> hi Iulian
[11:46] <secretlondon> Iulian metabug of the day bug #200338
[11:49] <Iulian> Hello secretlondon
[11:49] <Iulian> Woah!
[11:49]  * secretlondon has been dealing with "my sound has broken" questions all morning..
[11:49] <secretlondon> and duping them all
[11:51] <Iulian> Bleh, I haven't upgraded to 2.6.24-12 yet
[11:51] <Pici> I knew I was going to regret subscribing to that bug.
[11:51] <secretlondon> we'll get 101 ME TOOs
[11:53] <techno_freak> nice job ;0
[11:53] <Iulian> Yeah, we should add a comment saying something like: "Please stop confirming, this bug is well known".
[11:53] <techno_freak> ;)
[11:53] <Iulian> Ohh, I see pedro is here! Hello pedro_
[11:53] <secretlondon> Iulian: it's been done several times
[11:54] <Iulian> Uhmm, okay.
[11:55] <Iulian> pedro_: Long time no see, Henrik told me that you were at a FOSS meeting IIRC
[12:14] <secretlondon> hi greg_g
[12:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[12:15] <secretlondon> wow bot lag
[12:15] <Iulian> Indeed :)
[12:16] <Iulian> ~30min
[12:16]  * secretlondon nods
[12:17] <greg-g> hiya secretlondon, I woke up to 60 messages from just that sound bug
[12:17]  * secretlondon nods
[12:17] <secretlondon> I got 100 emails from the old pycentral bug
[12:18] <greg-g> ahh yeah, nice
[12:18]  * greg-g loves how people don't read before posting "me too"
[12:18] <secretlondon> totally
[12:19] <secretlondon> just caught another dupe
[12:19]  * secretlondon sighs
[12:23] <techno_freak> *secretlondon is known as dupe-hunter
[12:23] <techno_freak> ;)
[12:23] <secretlondon> :D
[12:27] <secretlondon> the bug is now listed as fix commited
[12:30] <Iulian> That's wonderful!
[12:31] <secretlondon> ben Collins is dealing with
[14:16] <secretlondon>  sound bug is fixed in hardy 2.6.24-12.20
[14:27] <Iulian> That was fast.
[14:32]  * secretlondon nods
[14:50] <secretlondon> night
[14:58] <qense> Can a mark a bug as fix released when an update solved the problem, but the update wasn't meant to do so, there isn't a patch written for the bug.
[15:03] <pedro_> qense: yes, you can
[15:03] <qense> ok
[15:19] <qense> Does bug #200130 needs more information?
[15:20] <qense> bug 200130
[15:20] <qense> ubotu?
[15:23] <bdmurray> pedro_: welcome back!
[15:23] <pedro_> heeey bdmurray! thanks you ;-)
[15:23] <pedro_> new channel eh? :-)
[15:24] <bdmurray> ubotu has been having some connectivity issues but should be here but not announcing
[15:27] <Pici> I just requested that the temporary bot be joined here, just for bug# resolving
[15:29] <bdmurray> bug 1
[15:30] <LjL> bdmurray, can you please mute ubotu so we can bring a backup bot
[15:31] <bdmurray> LjL: I've no way to contact him, he isn't my bot.
[15:32] <LjL> bdmurray: i mean mute him from the channel. /mode #ubuntu-bugs +q *!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu
[15:32] <bdmurray> LjL: heh, okay sure
[15:34] <LjL> bug 1
[15:34] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[15:36] <qense> so, does bug 200130 contains enough information?
[15:36] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200130 in alsa-driver "Fix sound on nVidia GeForce 7000M / nForce 610M chipset (Asus F5N, Acer Aspire 4250)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200130
[15:36] <qense> I'm not really sure what to ask for
[15:39] <qense> btw, bdmurray: have you read my application for the BugControl team?
[15:39] <qense> I'm curious for your comments ;)
[15:40] <bdmurray> qense: I haven't yet I'm sorry.  I've been quite busy.
[15:40] <qense> it's ok
[15:52] <bdmurray> bug 1
[15:52] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[16:34] <wraund> can anyone help me with this?
[16:34] <wraund> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5528/
[16:41] <wraund> working :)
[16:41] <wraund> sound is back online xD
[17:03] <afflux> morning
[17:04] <afflux> which package is responsible for loading the correct sound kernel modules?
[17:06] <pedro_> afflux: you're probably affected by bug 200338
[17:06] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[17:07] <afflux> pedro_: don't think so, I'm just triaging bug 199793
[17:07] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199793 in ubuntu "8.10 Alpha 6: No sound with ALC883" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199793
[17:07] <pedro_> ok cool, not the same then
[17:08] <afflux> ah, -12... maybe I should try that one ;)
[17:08] <afflux> anyway, I wonder which package should be assigned to 199793
[17:35] <afflux> huh, someone set my ubuntu bug to invalid because upstream committed a fix to it's VCS
[17:55] <Iulian> afflux: That's weird, which bug?
[17:55] <afflux> Iulian: bug 157082
[17:56] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 157082 in pastebinit "manpage suggesting wrong arguments" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157082
[17:57] <Iulian> Thanks.
[18:20] <bdmurray> afflux: re 199793 it'd be the kernel so linux and while they've worked around it may still be a valid bug
[18:20] <afflux> yep
[18:20] <afflux> alright, thanks
[18:23] <qense> hello
[18:23] <qense> I'm working on triaging bug 200130, but I'm not sure if I've asked for enough information.
[18:24] <qense> What do you think?
[18:25] <qense> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/200130
[18:28] <andrea-bs> qense: it seems he's using an old version of the kernel
[18:31] <pedro_> gosh my fonts are so small
[18:31] <qense> it's the latest version on gutsy though
[18:31] <qense> and gutsy is still the current release
[18:31]  * pedro_ kicks xchat
[18:32] <andrea-bs> qense: but non on hardy
[18:32] <qense> maybe he's using the gutsy installation
[18:32] <qense> I can ask him that
[18:32] <andrea-bs> [from the bug] Sound does not work in either 7.10 and 8.04 Alpha 6
[18:32] <qense> and ask him to report this on both versions
[18:32] <qense> and if he uses the latest hardy kernel
[18:33] <qense> is 2.6.22 still used by default by hardy?
[18:33] <Pici> No. 2.6.24-12 now.
[18:33] <qense> ok
[18:33] <qense> thx
[18:33] <Pici> http://launchpad.net/bugs/200338 is currently logged for the sound issue on that kernel revision.
[18:33] <andrea-bs> he's using 2.6.24-11-generic, the latest is 2.6.24-12-generic
[18:34] <qense> ah
[18:34] <qense> I was just looking at the uname -a output at the top of the log
[18:34] <qense> I'll ask him to upgrade hardy tot he latest kernel and try again
[18:39] <andrea-bs> qense: the patch on hardy has been uploaded so tell him to wait some hours
[18:39] <qense> ok, thx
[18:39] <andrea-bs> qense: <https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/palmer>
[18:40] <qense> that's the building on someone's ppa or the real ubuntu package?
[18:40] <andrea-bs> the real ubuntu package
[18:40] <qense> wow :P
[18:40] <qense> looks nice
[18:41] <andrea-bs> ;)
[19:12] <ryanakca> mr_pouit: btw, sorry for all the spam bug mail I'm causing you :)
[19:20] <qense> I go, goodbye everybody!
[21:18] <mr_pouit> ryanakca: only 32 new mails, that's not so much ^_~
[21:19] <ryanakca> mr_pouit: lol, not done :)
[21:19] <mr_pouit> ^^
[21:22] <mr_pouit> ryanakca: but I think you misunderstood, it's 5-A-Day, not 50 ;p
[21:23] <ryanakca> lol :P
[21:41] <greg-g> 46 duplicates, wow
[21:56] <wolfger> 46 duplicates, and somebody on Brainstorm wants to make it easier to file bugs for (and I'm severely paraphrasing) people without a clue. One key point mentioned in the proposal is that "checking for duplicates is too technical"
[21:57] <pochu> create a new idea, "fix all bugs in Ubuntu", and mark that one as superseeded by this one :Þ
[21:58] <wolfger> I suggest all triagers go "digg it down"... http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1395/
[21:59] <wolfger> oops, that's the wrong link
[22:00] <wolfger> had a very similar title. Maybe the one I commented on earlier already got buried.
[22:06] <wolfger> ah, it was marked "duplicate" http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4062/