[00:25] <brousch> rick_h_ cannot sleep because SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET
[00:26] <rick_h_droid> pretty much
[01:07] <rick_h_> grrrr
[01:08] <rick_h_> brousch around?
[01:08] <rick_h_> YHAVE YOU USED A BT keyboard with android?
[01:09] <rick_h_> OOPS
[01:09] <rick_h_> can't figure out how to get control key to work
[01:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: upboated
[01:24] <rick_h_> snap-l: thanks :)
[01:29] <snap-l> np
[01:30] <rick_h_> hmmm, seems connectbot is untouched for too long :(
[01:30] <rick_h_> shame, it's the best/cleanest ssh client I've found
[01:39] <rick_h_> $#@$@# "only accepts openssh pem keys" ...
[01:44] <rick_h_> and BTEP is no help only using special "dropbear" keys
[14:54] <brousch> rick_h_: I don't recall using a bluetooth keyboard with Android. I use the Hacker's Keyboaard software keyboard and my Asus has a detachable keyboard
[22:49] <rick_h_droid> brousch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYuTrE2nZjc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[22:51] <brousch> :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xhj8eIGLGE
[22:53] <brousch> Linux on Android is really pretty good. I have done Django development (git, github, Python2.7,, Django1.5, postgresql, sqlite) on it
[22:53] <rick_h_droid> cool
[22:53] <brousch> Vim in the console at 1920x1080
[22:54] <rick_h_droid> yea I want to be able to ssh and hack for a couple of hours but :(
[22:54] <rick_h_droid> yea the n10 is higher resolution than my thinkpad
[22:54] <brousch> oh, virtualenv too
[22:54] <rick_h_droid> running 17pt font in ssh
[22:55] <rick_h_droid> I'll have to break down and running
[22:55] <rick_h_droid> run new ssh keys sometime
[23:38] <snap-l> I swear, nobody gives adjunct faculty any respect.
[23:38] <snap-l> Doing our taxes. You can deduct education expenses, but only K-12
[23:39] <snap-l> It'd be cheaper for us if JoDee didn't work at one of her schools.
[23:39] <snap-l> This is asinine
[23:40] <snap-l> And now virtualbox crashed the guest OS
[23:51] <snap-l> So, who do folks use to do their taxes, bercause this is a complete and utter clusterfuck


[18:06] <MT-> nalioth: you around?
[18:10] <nalioth> MT-: usually
[18:17] <MT-> nalioth: I was wondering if I can have factoids added for my channel? I requested one a few times
[18:19] <nalioth> MT-: join #ubuntu-ops and ask after it
[18:19] <MT-> alrighty


[09:06] <ThomasB> 2014 is the year of Linux on the desktop :p
[09:28] <paddy> mobile devides are booming too much
[09:29] <paddy> devices even
[11:02] <bekks> ThomasB: Like all the years before? :P
[12:52] <ThomasB> bekks, exactly
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year to all
[14:23] <ThomasB> happy new year to you too BluesKaj
[14:26] <BluesKaj> thanks ThomasB, let's hope it is a happy one, wasn't sorry to see 2013 go ...not a good for our circle
[14:26] <ThomasB> why?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> accidents, health problems amongst our friends and family
[14:27] <ThomasB> sorry to hear :(
[14:28] <BluesKaj> well, on the mend at least, and no loss of life , thank God
[14:28] <ThomasB> That's good!
[14:29] <ThomasB> I think 2014 is going to be a great year
[14:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, I have that feeling too , no logic behind it , just intuition
[14:30] <ThomasB> yep, same here :p
[14:35] <BluesKaj> having a problem with this laptop screen blanking out when HDMI is connected to the TV, the video and audio to the TV works fine. Think it's due to the difference in resolution, the laptop screen can't handle 1920x1080
[14:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What does xrandr say?
[14:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: and is it set to mirror displays?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> \
[14:37] <BluesKaj> penguin42, HDMI isn't connected
[14:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well I'd say do an xrandr, connect the hdmi  and then do xrandr again and see what happens
[14:38] <BluesKaj> http://pastebin.kde.org/p7bfc8e33, ok this without HDMI
[14:39] <penguin42> ok, that's all peachy
[14:42] <BluesKaj> odd, now the HDMI doesn't work , but the laptop screen still does
[14:42] <penguin42> good to have a variety of symptoms right ?
[14:43] <penguin42> so what does xrandr say now?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> well,for some reason the TV has the video now , and the laptop just went blank , hang on while I djusthe fonts etc
[14:48] <BluesKaj> http://pastebin.kde.org/p984d9870 with HDMI working
[14:49] <penguin42> ok, so that's HDMI on, but LCD off?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yes
[14:50] <penguin42> right, so what happens if you go to the GUI and enable the internal LCD as well?  I suggest putting it on the right of the HDMI output (or above/below it) but not on the left
[14:50] <BluesKaj> trying to m,ake the fonts readable from 10ft away :)
[14:54] <ThomasB> BluesKaj, try ubuntu tweak for taht
[14:54] <ThomasB> *that
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ThomasB, KDE here , the LCD is restored on the laptop , but now I lost the desktop on theTV , looks like a separate desktop output ...this could be interesting, but because I use a mouse witht laptop I no longer have it on the LCD , but it works on the TVHDMI output
[14:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So you should be able to do it from the kde screen stuff, otherwise you can do it with the xrandr from the commandline
[15:02] <BluesKaj> toggling the output wasn't a good idea ,prefer a clone if available
[15:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Note there are some problems with 1366x panels when adding a 2nd display, if it's on the left the one on the right doesn't stand much chance of being right
[15:04] <BluesKaj> restored the desktop on the HDMI, by turning off the toggle primary output on the laptop screen
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I can switch between the 2 screens in system settings>display , but there's no clone option , which is surprising
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I don't think much of the new GUI stuff
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's pretty poor compared to the Gnome one
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I think if you drag them so they overlap it might do the trick
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But I doubt it'll allow a clone of different res anyway
[15:13] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well, I'm compromising by buying this laptop instead of new desktop for HTPC use , the desktop is getting old , altho a plain jane desktop these daus would probly work fine as a media server
[15:14] <penguin42> nod
[15:16] <BluesKaj> the duasl resolutions output works , but the HDMI reverts to a new desktop with the panel at the top and none of the default desktop settings ...strange
[15:16] <BluesKaj> err dual
[15:19] <BluesKaj> when I think about it that may be a good thing , if I can different desktop settings on each output
[15:19] <BluesKaj> have
[19:16] <paddy> basically, new packages can flow in until the freeze happens and that is when the alpha turns into a beta release, right?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> paddy, depends which ubuntu flavour , Alpha 2 – January 23rd for ubuntu flavours, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[19:23] <paddy> ah, hmmm
[19:25] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if they hit that looking at how things are
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ikonia, really ? 14.04 here on Kubuntu seems ok so far. Despite the nvidia driver probs some have after upgrades my setup is running well.
[19:28] <BluesKaj> nomodeset had be removed for the 331 driver to be recognized tho
[19:29] <BluesKaj> nvidia-331 that is
[21:07] <bekks> how do i get rid of those *.efi.signed kernel images on my totally non-efi capable laptop?
[21:08] <holstein> i suppose you can always install whatever kernel you want.. i wouldnt expect any performance hit in having a signed kernel
[21:10] <bekks> Thats not the point ;) How do I get rid of those unwanted kernel images which ship with the stock tahr linux-image package?
[21:10] <bekks> I dont have EFI, I cannot even use them.
[21:11] <holstein> i would just remove them, and use ones i prefer
[21:11] <bekks> So how do I "remove" them using the package management system while leaving the non-EFI images untouched?
[21:12] <holstein> i would install whatever kernel i prefer.. if its in the repos, i would use a package manager.. after booting into that kernel, i would remove the one i dont want
[21:12] <bekks> The only kernel package installed is linux-image. Now what?
[21:13] <holstein> bekks: decide what kernel you want, and how to obtain it, and put it on your system
[21:14] <bekks> Again: the only kernel package installed is "linux-image". Ho do I get rid of vmlinuz.efi.signed without touching vmlinuz - and without using rm?
[21:14] <holstein> bekks: i would boot from the kernel i want to run, and remove the packages i dont want
[21:15] <bekks> How do you remove "the packages" if only ONE PACKAGE is installed?
[21:15] <bekks> And that ONE package is shiiping both, vmlinuz and vmlinuz.efi.signed?
[21:19] <TJ-> bekks: Does it come from "linux-signed-image-3.12.0-7-generic"
[21:21] <bekks> TJ-: Indeed.I am just wondering why that package gets installed on a non-EFI system then.
[21:23] <holstein> bekks: AFAIK, the kernels are signed.. they will just be signed, and i dont think there is a reason to maintain a non-signed version. you might have to ask the kernel team
[21:24] <bekks> holstein: Then the question would be why there is a unsigned vmlinuz and a unsigned linux-image package, along with a signed one.
[21:25] <holstein> bekks: early days? fail-over? you'd have to ask the kernel folks.. i think that would be the most definitive answer, since "its not going to hurt performance" doesnt seem to be what you are looking for
[21:27] <bekks> signed kernel do not have any advantages on non-EFI systems.
[21:27] <TJ-> bekks: Do you have mythbuntu-live installed?
[21:27] <holstein> bekks: i didnt mean to imply it had any advantage
[21:27] <bekks> TJ-: No, I have a Ubuntu 14.04 installation where I additionally installed kubuntu-, lubuntu- and xubuntu-desktop
[21:29] <TJ-> bekks: Use "apt-cache rdepends ..." to review the path leading up the dependency chain ... start with "apt-cache rdepends linux-signed-image-3.8.0-19-generic"
[21:30] <bekks> TJ-: Ok, will do.
[21:33] <bekks> TJ-: I can see that dependency path, but non of those packages are installed.
[21:41] <TJ-> bekks: Was it a fresh install? If so, maybe the installer has it seeded?
[21:42] <bekks> TJ-: Yeah, the installation is just a few days old.


[00:32] <plars> ogra: vorlon: this is a newer image than the one I tested a few weeks ago? I'm at a sprint in Taipei right now btw, so my tz is different from the normal
[00:35] <mwhudson> plars: i'm not sure i remember your tz ever being normal :)
[00:36] <plars> mwhudson: it's all a matter of perspective
[01:35] <vorlon> plars: yes, this is newer, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/stable/20181109.4/
[01:55] <plars> vorlon: I'm looking at it now. Do you know what all changed in it? I don't see a fix for the ethernet LED issue yet on rpi3b+, but I know that's not really a regression since 3b+ wasn't supported previously on 16
[01:56] <vorlon> plars: it should be the same as the previous image, just validating that the image still DTRT now that the snaps are promoted to stable
[10:47] <cpaelzer> Hi, I have an odd case and hope somebody might have a hint
[10:48] <cpaelzer> I build in sbuild and it fails on dh_install
[10:48] <cpaelzer> it complains about this
[10:48] <cpaelzer> dh_install
[10:48] <cpaelzer> cp: cannot open 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so.24' for reading: Too many levels of symbolic links
[10:48] <cpaelzer> dh_install: cp --reflink=auto -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so.24 debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so.24.0.0 debian/libgps24//usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ returned exit code 1
[10:48] <cpaelzer> but
[10:48] <cpaelzer> it actually is not on insane symlinks
[10:48] <cpaelzer> ls -laF debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so*
[10:48] <cpaelzer> lrwxrwxrwx 1 paelzer paelzer     16 Nov 16 09:48 debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so -> libgps.so.24.0.0*
[10:48] <cpaelzer> lrwxrwxrwx 1 paelzer paelzer     16 Nov 16 09:48 debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so.24 -> libgps.so.24.0.0*
[10:48] <cpaelzer> -rwxrwxr-x 1 paelzer paelzer 630408 Nov 16 09:48 debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgps.so.24.0.0*
[10:48] <cpaelzer> and even more so, if I chroot into the build env and just do the copy command
[10:48] <cpaelzer> then it works
[10:49] <cpaelzer> anyone an idea what I might look for?
[11:16] <cpaelzer> the same build (with the issue described above) works for cosmic, but fails for disco and debian-unstable
[12:42] <cpaelzer> on the above issue with the so not able to be copied - it fails also in launchpad. But it behaves different per archietcture
[12:42] <cpaelzer> ppc fails https://launchpadlibrarian.net/397834496/buildlog_ubuntu-disco-ppc64el.gpsd_3.18.1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:42] <cpaelzer> s390x works https://launchpadlibrarian.net/397834398/buildlog_ubuntu-disco-s390x.gpsd_3.18.1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:42] <cpaelzer> they build the same thing
[12:42] <cpaelzer> the same args
[12:43] <cpaelzer> why would one have a different symlink depth ?!?
[12:43] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I trade the review for your MP for a good idea here :-)
[12:44] <ahasenack> something related to usr-merge?
[12:47] <cpaelzer> I was in the chroot, it works fine
[12:47] <cpaelzer> it almost seems like a racy thing
[12:47] <cpaelzer> that works soon after
[12:48] <cpaelzer> I've thrown it into https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3522/+packages
[12:48] <cpaelzer> soem work some fail
[12:48] <cpaelzer> I'm tempted to believe that on rebuilds they might even work/fail differently
[12:49] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: checked, no usrmerge symlink in that path
[12:49] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: link to a failed build?
[12:50] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3522/+build/15668073/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-disco-ppc64el.gpsd_3.18.1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[12:50] <ahasenack> (just got an email about that one)
[12:52] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: perhaps you will have to do some debugging builds. Like overriging dh_install and adding a ls -la to it, something like that
[12:53] <ahasenack> or what's that other command that shows all path components, I forgot its name
[12:53] <ahasenack> namei
[12:56] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: yearh a good idea
[12:57] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I could also add a sync call to test my theory on too much FS laziness
[12:57] <cpaelzer> also I did the review
[12:58] <ahasenack> thanks
[13:01] <cpaelzer> suspicious that debian-testing and cosmic work
[13:01] <cpaelzer> and the same in disco and unstable fai
[13:01] <cpaelzer> l
[13:01] <cpaelzer> unless my race has a love for making up its chances to set me on false tracks
[13:54] <acheronuk> tianon: hi. there are now disco tars @ https://partner-images.canonical.com/core/disco/
[13:54] <acheronuk> do you know when docker images will come?
[15:17] <ejat> hi, who to safely remove python2.7 from cosmic without removing dependencies ?
[15:17] <ejat> how*
[15:22] <cjwatson> err, if there are still things depending on it that you aren't happy to remove in turn, then you can't safely remove it
[15:22] <cjwatson> sort of the definition of dependencies :)
[17:32] <rbasak> bug 1781529 is ready to be approved now I think - blocks mysql-5.7 migration now.
[17:38] <vorlon> rbasak: promoting
[18:18] <rbasak> Thanks!
[18:19] <rbasak> vorlon: did you miss mecab-ipadic?
[18:20] <rbasak> (difference source package, same upstream project, same bug)
[18:24] <vorlon> rbasak: I didn't miss it, I don't see it listed on either http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed or http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches
[18:26] <rbasak> Oh
[18:26] <rbasak> I'll look into that, sorry.
[18:27] <rbasak> Skuggen: ^ do you remember where the dependency on mecab-ipadic should be coming from?
[18:29] <sarnold> "mecab depends on mecab-ipadic. Other dependencies are in main"  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mecab/+bug/1781529
[20:17] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Where is the code for udevbot?
[20:26] <tsimonq2> I just can't find where it's kept, hm.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Maybe internally at Canonical?
[21:57] <tianon> acheronuk: nice catch; mwhudson usually handles that but he's probably swamped on his other ever-increasing responsibilities so I've opened https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/pull/139 to get the ball rolling


[09:07] <rvba> bigjools: jtv: I've got a couple of branches up for review if you're available: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/event-types/+merge/227155 https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/event-model/+merge/227156
[11:57] <dvr077> q
[11:57] <dvr077> quit
[13:16] <rvba> jtv: Based on the conversation I had with Julian this morning, I'm reworking the event-model branch.
[13:52] <blake_r> rvba: quick question, why when a node is "acquired" it is marked allocated? shouldn't it be marked "Reserved". Reserved doesn't seem to be used at all.
[13:54] <blake_r> rvba: shouldn't it be marked allocated, once the node is started
[13:55] <rvba> blake_r: yeah, we've got a bunch of statuses that are not used at all.
[13:56] <rvba> blake_r: we currently don't do that distinction (node acquired but not yes started / node acquired and started).
[13:56] <rvba> s/not yes/not yet/
[13:57] <blake_r> rvba: okay
[13:57] <rvba> blake_r: We will probably clean that up as part of the robustness work / node lifecyle work.
[13:57] <blake_r> cool
[17:35] <blake_r> jtv: could you give this another look over, https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/cloudbase-generate-winrm-cert/+merge/222650


[10:46] <M_aD> Can we include exfat-fuse and exfat-utils in the next release? I have a Sony audio player but i couldn't use the device and the sd-card at first. After installing exfat-fuse and it's dependency exfat-utils, they auto mounted and i was able to put files on it. Would be great if we have it working ootb.
[14:23] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Good question. I also want to look into including OBS. afaik not even stock Ubuntu carries exfat.
[14:27]  * Eickmeyer goes asking around.
[14:32] <M_aD> since both are in the repos i don't see a issue. Or don't we have the freedom to add/remove what we want?
[14:36]  * M_aD will be back later
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Here's the answer I got, and it appears to be an ongoing discussion. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfat-utils/+bug/1649537
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> Basically, it's not a good idea for licensing/patent reasons, but that's the part of the discussion that is ongoing.
[16:52] <M_aD> Eickmeyer: i just read through it, thanks and understood :)
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Got that crash, not sure what happened. Controls won't start. Not sure if this is a bug, or what's going on here.
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3jnjvQRtz4/
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Nevermind, looks like I was missing python3-jack-client. Installed, will add to deps.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> Added and pushed.
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I like the indicator, but in materia it's hard to read as it is grayed-out as if it were a button or something.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> I think that is more text size?
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps, that might help.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> And, uh, oops, looks like I omitted a comma.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> I'll screenshot it.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://imgur.com/a/7PPdK5P
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> The text looks like that when it's running too.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> Ya, the text stays the same.
[18:18]  * OvenWerks needs to find a LED indicator.
[18:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: leaving that aside how are other things?
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> Other than that, it works great. No issues here.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> Well, once I added the python3-jack-client package, that is. :P
[18:22] <OvenWerks> I need to get some more things done so I can commit my current work and then rebase over master.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[18:22] <OvenWerks> I do not know why I didn't have to, I must already be using it elsewhere
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Well, nobody else should be running into that. Added as a dep.
[18:23] <OvenWerks> Thank you.
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Hey, that's why I'm here, right? ;)
[18:24] <OvenWerks> Gotta have someone to test
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> Yep. I can't code, but I can test and package.
[18:24]  * OvenWerks is reading the school long range facilities Plan 2018 - 2027
[18:25] <OvenWerks> lots of "should" and "could"
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> Yikes. If that's anything like stuff here in the states, then I can only imagine the thickness of that plan.
[18:26] <OvenWerks> Im on page 36 of 52
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> Here, 52 pages would just be the summary.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> my wife in the mean time is taking an online "wound management" course
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> Heh, interesting.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> she is a practicing nurse, this is an upgrade/scope of practice increase.
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> Oh, good for her!
[18:29] <OvenWerks> And generally good to know stuff anyway.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Indeed.
[18:29]  * OvenWerks gets to see the gory pics as well :P
[18:36] <OvenWerks> one of our schools is running at 179% cap...
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> YIKES! That's not good. The new high school that was built in my parents' area, to replace the one I went to, was already at 110% cap when it opened. Failure to forecast is a conastant in government.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> Oh it's not really, there are two schools on the same property and they share classrooms (el and mid) so the overall is under 100%
[18:42] <OvenWerks> The school my son is going to (middle school) went from 7-9 to 6-9 and the local el went from k-6 to k-5 for the same reason.
[18:44] <OvenWerks> The midlle/high schools show lower percentages but I am thinking that they are also including "special use" class rooms like cooking, wood work and metal work in those numbers.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> Those rooms may not be able to have 90% usage and yet still need to be there.
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> I guess I should restate then. Failure to forecast is a constant in Washington State's government.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> It is a problem here too. It is also a matter of making the best use of facilities
[18:50] <OvenWerks> whatever happens, all secondary schools are a bus ride away so my yomger son will have to learn bussing the year after next.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> I think we have to pay for it too :P
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. The schools where I live have free bus service, and even though it's a short drive, I have my son take the bus to school every morning. I get him in the afternoon.
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> I find it funny. When I go into #ubuntu-release or #ubuntu-devel, even if there's an active conversation, if I ask for a MOTU to look at lsp-plugins they all scatter.
[18:51] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> I can see them all looking at each other, putting their fingers on their noses, saying, "Nose goes!"
[18:52] <OvenWerks> A short statement to that effect would be "polite"
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> The room just goes completely quiet and stays like that for hours after I do that.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> "Erich Eickmeyer: Thread Killer"
[18:54] <OvenWerks> so that means yes we know it needs to be done, but none of us wants to take it on.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Exxxactly.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> It's not even a complicated package. Yet, I think people are in shell shock after Carla, which was a gigantic bit of work.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> I feel like I'm doing pretty good when I package something and lintian has nothing to say about it.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> --pedantic?
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Even pedantic has nothing to say!
[18:57] <OvenWerks> Is it in debian?
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Nope.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> Oh, no MM maintaner there
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> It has also been brought to my attention that MuseScore is out of date. Yet, for some reason, I still get MM emails about people doing stuff with MuseScore 2 when 3 has been out for over a year.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Oh, nm, not over a year. January, as I look at github.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think a policy of keeping sw that is ahead of debian/ubuntu in our back port PPA even the same day as release might make sense.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> ubuntu has a debian first attitude
[19:08] <OvenWerks> debian is slow... adding the Studio backports as part of install may make sense.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I'm looking at it and Thorsten Glaser is the maintainer for MuseScore, he's active.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Looks like he has a package for MuseScore 3 in experimental.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> Or adding the add ppa button to -controls as well as installer.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Let's keep the ppa button in installer since it's the... installer.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am taking Yf and son out so have to get ready.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Okay, have fun. o/


[15:11] <SiDi> Hello
[15:11] <SiDi> Anyone fluent with our wiki who minds helping me ?
[15:12] <nhandler> What do you need help with?
[15:14] <SiDi> Is it possible, when using Navigation childs, to explicitely filter one child out ?
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[15:17] <Rocket2DMn> SiDi, I don't believe so
[15:17] <SiDi> Alright, thanks
[15:17] <Rocket2DMn> the funcitons aren't that complex
[15:20] <SiDi> Is there a wiki admin here who could remove this page, then, please : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/ReleaseSpecificSpecTemplate ?
[15:20] <SiDi> I moved it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Template/ReleaseSpecificSpecTemplate
[15:49] <Rocket2DMn> SiDi, you should be able to delete the page yourself
[15:49] <Rocket2DMn> go ahead and try
[15:49] <SiDi> oh, didnt notice the "Other actions" thing :P
[15:49] <Rocket2DMn> i think its only the community docs that need wiki admins
[15:49] <SiDi> Cheers
[15:49] <Rocket2DMn> the team wiki is open
[15:50] <SiDi> Its deleted :) Thanks
[15:50] <Rocket2DMn> np


[19:28] <MichealH> !hi
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[19:28] <MichealH> !hi | mk
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[19:28] <MichealH> !hi | Muscovy
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[19:28] <MichealH> :P
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[07:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2.22+16.10]
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.22]
[10:44] <flocculant> looks like all the flavours who took part in a2 haven't got up to date iso's
[10:44] <flocculant> slangasek: ^^
[11:02] <apw> jbicha, hmmm, that is possibly true.  first i have retried that to see if it is transient.  _but_ as the self-tests for -9.6 are failing i suspect we don't want that making it out
[16:52] <flocculant> cyphermox: bug 1660159
[16:55] <cyphermox> what about 1.73ubuntu2?
[16:56] <cyphermox> much the same I suppose, but just in case since ..ubuntu1 was indeed broken.
[16:56] <flocculant> 1.73ubuntu2 is what I had which was broken
[16:57] <flocculant> should be the version installed on the bug report
[16:57] <flocculant> yea
[16:58] <flocculant> cyphermox: 1.70.ubuntu5 was the newest I'd grabbed which worked
[16:58] <cyphermox> oh, I see, I fails to read
[16:58] <flocculant> :)
[16:59] <flocculant> that's ok - it IS Sunday :)
[16:59] <cyphermox> what is the partitioning like on that system, could you attach fdisk -l ?
[16:59] <flocculant> yup
[17:01] <flocculant> cyphermox: done
[17:02] <flocculant> oh meh - editing lp comments would be useful sometimes - I meant also to say there are 3 other drives - but all are data only
[17:03] <cyphermox> ok
[17:08] <cyphermox> flocculant: is any of it LVM or crypto?\
[17:08] <flocculant> cyphermox: no - none are
[17:09] <cyphermox> I see; I think I know what's wrong
[17:09] <cyphermox> it's going to be ugly to fix and test
[17:09] <flocculant> ...
[17:10] <cyphermox> thanks for the report, I'll try to fix that tomorrow :)
[17:10] <flocculant> well it could be worse I suppose - it could be April 12th :)
[17:10] <cyphermox> heh
[17:10] <flocculant> cyphermox: anyway - any questions or requests just ask
[17:10] <cyphermox> alright
[17:11] <flocculant> I thought it might be useful to mention this bug asap ;)
[17:12] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:12] <cyphermox> aren't you wasting a lot of space on that disk?
[17:13] <cyphermox> (I'm just curious because the numbers don't add up, I just want to make sure I can still do math)
[17:15] <flocculant> cyphermox: there are some small 1.5Mb unallocated between and 43Gb unallocated at the end
[17:16] <cyphermox> ok :)
[17:17] <flocculant> it did have one small one at the end to stop the installer messing with the extended partition
[17:17] <flocculant> I seem to have lost that one somewhere :p
[17:42] <mwhudson> apw: thanks
[18:05] <Dmitrii-Sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/qemu/+bug/1656480 marked 'verification-done'. I've provided all the steps to verify just in case.
[21:01] <apw> Dmitrii-Sh, thanks
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu2~<IP_ADDRESS> => 1.0.0~rc2-0ubuntu2~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: containerd (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.2.3-0ubuntu1~16.04 => 0.2.5-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: containerd (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.2.3-0ubuntu1 => 0.2.5-0ubuntu1~16.10.1] (no packageset)
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.12.3-0ubuntu4~16.04.2 => 1.12.6-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu2~<IP_ADDRESS> => 1.0.0~rc2-0ubuntu2~16.10.1] (no packageset)
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.12.3-0ubuntu4~16.10.2 => 1.12.6-0ubuntu1~16.10.1] (no packageset)
[23:04] <mwhudson> right, i now have some perl to ensure better version numbers...


[13:09] <k_sze> Just me or there are two Lubuntu websites?
[13:09] <k_sze> lubuntu.me and lubuntu.net
[13:22] <tomreyn> lubuntu.me is the only one which matters
[13:29] <k_sze> lubuntu.net is the old one?
 yes
 but now it's not official.
 [Eoan] The desktop names in the panels desktop switcher are always return to default names at restart. Not saving when I give names to it.
[16:57] <wxl> @bensisva interesting discovery. let me explore further
 @wxl [<wxl> @bensisva interesting discovery. let me explore further], thank you
 thank you
[17:04] <wxl> confirmed
[17:08] <wxl> @bensisva it looks like it's been long known https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/668#issuecomment-108294799
 OK.
[17:10] <wxl> @bensisva if you would be so kind please file a bug (`ubuntu-bug lxqt-panel`) and let me know and i'll connect it to that issue and otherwise triage it
 I think it's done. I am willing but I don't know how so I googled it. It's said to run it in the terminal. And it's asking a launchpad account that I forget that I had one. This is my first experience reporting bug, btw. It feels rewarding.
[17:39] <wxl> yes, it's a good thing to do :) more extensive information here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[17:39] <wxl> do you have the bug number? or a link to the bug report?
[17:39] <wxl> btw advantage to you writing the bug report: you'll get notified when it's fixed :)
[17:41] <wxl> nevermind i found it
 Thank you for the help
[17:56] <wxl> no problem.. thanks for drawing attention to this
 Fresh install of 19.10 takes a long time before the lubuntu splash screen shows (shortly followed by the login screen). Same laptop with 19.04 was much quicker (i.e 10 to 15 seconds v.s. almost a minute.
[18:42] <diogenes_> roheve, systemd-analyze blame
 can it be fixed?
[18:46] <wxl> @roheve depends on the problem, which is what diogenes_ is asking you to figure out
[18:46] <kc2bez> @roheve execute `systemd-analyze blame` in the terminal
 Ah... ok the top service (25 seconds) is apt-daily.service...  but isn't that started after the splash-screen shows?  an earlier install used disk-encryption and in the splash screen  it asked for the passphrase (this install is not encrypted) and the real boot was after that. Also  nothing strange in dmesg that shows a delay.
 systemd-analize time tels me that in Startup (firmware) took 52 seconds.  That might be the efi-boot?
[19:02] <diogenes_> roheve, is secure boot enabled?
 no
[19:28] <wefwef> yo, does anyone know how to turn off anti-aliasing in lubuntu 19.10?
[19:29] <wefwef> everything is just blurry but I have the right video driver
[19:29] <wefwef> not that blurry though
[19:31] <wefwef> oh "Go to "Customize Look and Feel", turn off Subpixel Geometry on the Fonts tab. "
[19:32] <wefwef> not finding that option in 19.10
[20:04] <wxl> @roheve could you pastebin the full output?
 the time command is only 2 lines … ~$ systemd-analyze time … Startup finished in 53.528s (firmware) + 8.392s (loader) + 7.130s (kernel) + 10.404s (userspace) = 1min 19.455s  … graphical.target reached after 10.371s in userspace
 it might have to that accorting to efibootmgr the laptop booted from the 3rd entry of the bootorder list (but the ubuntu entry is listed first, but might have failed. I'll investigate more.
 $ efibootmgr … BootCurrent: 001A … Timeout: 2 seconds … BootOrder: 0000,001C,001A,0014,0015,0016,0017,0018,0013,0019,001B … Boot0000* ubuntu … Boot000F  Setup … ... … Boot001A* eMMC Card0: SanDisk iNAND 32GB … Boot001B  PCI LAN: … Boot001C* USB HDD:
 the blame output does not show the apt service anymore, the slowest is now NetworkManager-wait-online with 5 seconds, so I do noththink that output is relevant anymore, the delay is in firmware i.e. efi-boot of 53 sec is.
[20:57] <chieta> is it possible that notify-bin will show notification while screensaver running?
[20:57] <wxl> no
[21:08] <chieta> which notification that will send sound also
 @wefwef Found the subpixel antialiasing setting, while looking for something else :). It is in the LXQt settings menu, Apperance, Fonts
[21:09] <chieta> ping lubot
[21:09] <wxl> i think they left @roheve
[22:22] <eamonn> Just wanted to thank (I think it was wxl?) in any case, someone for pointing me to the startup settings docs
[22:23] <wxl> np eamonn :)


[00:38] <mup> Issue operator#976 closed: Improve typing for RelationEvent.unit <small item> <type hints> <Created by yanksyoon> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/976>
[00:38] <mup> PR operator#1032 closed: feat: narrow the type for 'app' and 'unit' in relation events <feature> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1032>
[11:15] <mup> Issue operator#1042 opened: API to delete multiple (globbed?) paths <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/1042>


[08:33] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, I do
[08:33] <sabgenton> hows it faring?
[08:34] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, Good so far, no real problems, I have a intel graphic set up though.
[08:34] <sabgenton> wilee-nilee: on a usability scale
[08:34] <sabgenton> ok
[08:35] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, I use it daily, but it is one of 3 linux OS on the HD.
[08:35] <sabgenton> wilee-nilee: cool I'll wack it into a VM
[08:35] <sabgenton> wilee-nilee: what your other two?
[08:35] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, Probably the best place.
[08:36] <sabgenton> heh
[08:36] <sabgenton> if it works well enough I'll use it as a vm webserver till it goes gold
[08:37] <sabgenton> wilee-nilee: what are your other two distros if i can ask?
[08:37] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, Install it and make a copy of the image, I use vbox and a vdi, then you have a backup.
[08:37] <sabgenton> why make a copy I will run it off the iso
[08:38] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, All ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10, I used to run the other distros but don't really bother now.
[08:38] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, I have it installed.
[08:38] <wilee-nilee> and reboot all daily
[08:38] <sabgenton> hehe
[08:39] <wilee-nilee> update/upgrades is all
[08:39] <wilee-nilee> I have w8.1 on there to, for word only really
[08:39] <sabgenton> does apt-get upgrade work ok with  dailys?
[08:40] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, I would not on a iso
[08:40] <wilee-nilee> you can but kernel upgrades are not really suggested is all
[08:40] <sabgenton> no sorry mean I would install of the iso
[08:40] <sabgenton> sorry said that wrong
[08:40] <sabgenton> install to vm
[08:41] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, I upgrade the installs every day, I have them all cloned, especially the development, I would rather reload that 10 min compared to a install and re-figure about 45 min.
[08:41] <sabgenton> wilee-nilee: I'm more asking can you just apt-get upgrade it rather than downloading another daily and another and so on
[08:41] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, Ah, oh yes.
[08:42] <wilee-nilee> all the way to release
[08:42] <wilee-nilee> The general rhetoric on the development is don;t have it as you main install is all.
[08:43] <wilee-nilee> s/don't/your
[08:52] <sabgenton> wilee-nilee: well thanks anyway the fact your runing it without the need to tell me it crashes every two minutes is good enough for my needs
[08:53] <wilee-nilee> hehe, so good so far sabgenton
[08:54] <sabgenton> :)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[18:29] <lfaraone> Does anybody have experience running VMWare Workstation on Trusty?
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> lfaraone, This is a development only what maybe a month old I doubt it, in general you state the issue for help anyway
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> to the channel not me
[18:43] <lfaraone> wilee-nilee: "will it work?", basically.
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> lfaraone, vbox should vmware, never used it myself
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> YOu may have to tell us ;)
[18:58] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: and you'll see me in here as well :)
[19:00] <sergiobenrocha2> ok, thanks!
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> yo ho ho elfy
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[19:01] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: so basically - if you go to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds and drill down to Xubuntu - that WILL be 14.04 xubuntu
[19:01] <elfy> I've been using it for a couple of weeks now
[19:01] <elfy> hi wilee-nilee
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> elfy, Hi, never sen that site for de on the development, cool
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> seen*
[19:02] <sergiobenrocha2> elfy: great
[19:03] <elfy> wilee-nilee: really? you seen the packages one? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> elfy, I have just grabbed the daily.
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> ubuntu, but I use the shell in general
[19:04] <wilee-nilee> more than just de I see now
[19:05] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: and to hear what's going on and when I'm shouting for people to test things - join this mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> dran close button
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> darn
[19:05] <sergiobenrocha2> ok
[19:08] <sergiobenrocha2> elfy: i subscribed, thanks
[19:11] <sergiobenrocha2> I think xubuntu is great, mainly (for me) for games, but there is something that could be improved... if 13.10 get more polished, it could be a good LTS
[19:13] <sergiobenrocha2> like sound indicator plugin in top panel... it does not work, there is a workaround to this, but no update yet here...
[19:39] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: that 'might' get backported, but 14.04 should be getting gtk3 indicators
[19:45] <sergiobenrocha2> so 14.04 will use xfce 4.12? because it plans to use gtk3 things
[19:46] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[19:52] <sergiobenrocha2> elfy: ok, is possible that I create an wishlist in launchpad, and appears in this page, if the feature is good?
[19:52] <elfy> mmm - not sure what you mean
[19:56] <genii> sergiobenrocha2: If your feature request gets implemented, you'll know about it because launchpad emails you when a bug is added to or changed, or fixed, etcand noted in the report you originally made.
[20:00] <sergiobenrocha2> like create a new launcher in xfce panel, I right-click, then "Add new item" in context menu, then "Add new item" window appears, I click in Launcher, and then is created an empty launcher icon. But this could be more friendly if  "Properties" window opens after those things I did, for the user add an app launcher in the empty icon. I don't know if this is upstream
[20:01] <elfy> do you? I drag from the menu to the panel and say yes :)
[20:02] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: the best place to talk about these specific Xubuntu issues is actually in our channel #xubuntu-devel
[20:02] <sergiobenrocha2> oh, ok
[20:02] <elfy> and check out http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[20:03] <elfy> sergiobenrocha2: sorry - for moving you about channels - but as the chat moved on it become more apparent what you needed to be talking about
[20:03] <sergiobenrocha2> no problems, better for me
[20:04] <sergiobenrocha2> so this ubuntu+1 is for core packages, for example? things in common with all ubuntu derivates?
[20:06] <knome> hello elfy!
[20:06] <elfy> :p