[00:00] <thomas__1> Sparky_: what type of help do you need?
[00:00] <escott> matreya6, im not sure what that means. why not just move the partition start
[00:00] <Sparky_> Well, I guess all of it XD I am a complete noob when it comes to OS's.
[00:01] <Sparky_> It was suggested that I try ubuntu on a flash drive, just to test it so I don't lose windows, but I don't know what to do, so they told me to come here :P
[00:02] <thomas__1> the instructions on the dl site are really good, you should start following them and we can walk you through parts you don't get
[00:02] <matreya6> escott, using (gp)arted? Yes, I' ll have to do that. I hope NTLOADR does not get confused, but I' ll know that in a few moments. After all, I use WinXP for games only, my main systems run Linux.
[00:02] <Sparky_> Ok thanks, brb :D
[00:02] <thomas__1> first though, find out if your system is 32 or 64 bit
[00:03] <Sparky_> I believe it is 32... Its just a little dell netbook :P
[00:03] <zykotick9> Sparky_: "uname -m" to find out
[00:03] <escott> matreya6, yeah im not sure how ntloadr will feel about all this
[00:04] <thomas__1> ok, it's good you're on a pc, that's all I know how to use
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> Sparky_: i686 = 32bit   x86_64 = 64bit
[00:04] <Sparky_> Its not a pv, its a laptop lol
[00:04] <Sparky_> pc*
[00:04] <MissVera> I have a question.. I was trying Xubuntu from the Live cd, and i saw that I had 54 GB of free space. I go to install it, and it says "low disk space - this computer has only 0 bytes disk space remaining" in the upper right ??
[00:04] <Sparky_> Dell netbook  = laptop :3
[00:04] <Sparky_> ActionParsnip that makes no sense to me o.o
[00:05] <thomas__1> ha, laptops are pcs too
[00:05] <Eagleman> Will setting iptables rules on eth0 also conflict with eth0.10?
[00:05] <Sparky_> oh -.-
[00:06] <Sparky_> Told you i'm a complete noob XD
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> Sparky_: read the output of:  uname -m   ten read what I said...
[00:06] <Sparky_> uname -m
[00:06] <Sparky_> ?
[00:06] <thomas__1> don't worry about it
[00:06] <Sparky_> What do I do with that -.-
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> Sparky_: press CTRL+ALT+T  and type that, then hit ENTER
[00:06] <thomas__1> i promise you a netbook will run the 32bt version
[00:06] <Sparky_> lol
[00:07] <mz|`_> on windows ? type 'uname -m' ???
[00:07] <Sparky_> Ah.... CTRL+ALT+T = nothing...
[00:07] <Sparky_> What is it supposed to open up?
[00:07] <MissVera> terminal
[00:07] <thomas__1> crt alt t opens terminal, it wont do shit if you're on windows though
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> thomas__1: check the ASUS 1215B-PU17-SL  as one example
[00:08] <Sparky_> lol
[00:08] <Sparky_> Could I just open a command prompt...?
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> thomas__1: not all netbooks are 64bit
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> Sparky_: what do you think CTRL+ALT+T does?
[00:08] <IdleOne> thomas__1: Please keep the language clean
[00:08] <Sparky_> Terminal ^^
[00:08] <Sparky_> I'm on XP
[00:08] <mz|`_> netbook -> just install in 32 bits version
[00:09] <Sparky_> XP home edition ^^
[00:09] <MissVera> Could i get some help?  :x
[00:09] <mz|`_> why bother with 64 bits
[00:09] <Sparky_> Hrm...
[00:09] <Sparky_> I will just take a bargain and choose 32 bit.
[00:09] <mz|`_> especially for a simple test on usb key...
[00:09] <Sparky_> :P
[00:09] <Eagleman> Will setting iptables rules on eth0 also conflict with eth0.10?
[00:09]  * Sparky[A] is now away - Reason : AFK for 30 minutes, beep me a few times if you need me :D
[00:10] <mz|`_> Eagleman: depends on your iptables, but no should not as it is another interface (virtual)
[00:11] <MissVera> I have a question.. I was trying Xubuntu from the Live cd, and i saw that I had 54 GB of free space. I go to install it, and it says "low disk space - this computer has only 0 bytes disk space remaining" in the upper right ??
[00:12]  * Sparky_ is no longer AFK - Gone for 2 minutes 29 seconds
[00:12] <escott> Sparky_, please disable that
[00:12] <Sparky_> Sorry lol
[00:13] <MissVera> No one?
[00:13] <mz|`_> MissVera: screenshots of the two informations please.
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> MissVera: was the 'free space' unpartitioned?
[00:14] <MissVera> Sorry? I Dont have screen shots. I dont understand why i need them either. I have 54gb free hard drive space. Which, I Know for a fact since i just reformmated.  And then at the beginning of the install, right where im picking the language, it tells me in the upper right, low disk space, mz
[00:14] <Sparky_> Do I just download Ubuntu Desktop?
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> Sparky_: yes, if you want a desktop OS
[00:14] <aristidesfl> My fresh 12.04 doesn't power off nor reboots, it says waiting for all active processes to terminate
[00:15] <Sparky_> well.... does a desktop OS work on a dell laptop? lol
[00:15] <MissVera> Action, if it failed dring an install, could that have left it unpartitioned?
[00:15] <escott> MissVera, i wonder if its the ramdisk is getting full
[00:15] <MissVera> I'm really REALLY new to Ubuntu, so, its a bit confusing.
[00:16] <escott> MissVera, i would just ignore it if it is happening during the install
[00:16] <MissVera> I had tried to install it, and at the end it said something about a problem it couldnt recover from. and now im trying to install again, and its telling me i have no free space, escott
[00:16] <MissVera> So, just.. try again?
[00:16] <Sparky_> Twenty minute download x.x
[00:17] <thomas__1> Vera: you already tried once? did you partition the disk?
[00:17] <n1ckn4me09876543> what command do i use to know/find out if i have Python installed or what version
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> MissVera: delete the 54Gb partition so that the space is unallocacted, then run the installer
[00:17] <MissVera> I clicked for it to format over the old linux version and replace it with Xubuntu
[00:17] <muelli> n1ckn4me09876543: python --version
[00:17] <MissVera> ActionParsnip, how? using the live cd? since the other OS is gone now..
[00:18] <n1ckn4me09876543> muelli: ty
[00:18] <ActionParsnip> MissVera: you can use gparted in the liveCD
[00:18] <Sparky_> It is downloading two things, is that right?
[00:19] <MissVera> ActionParsnip okay. I've done this... once. So. didnt know.
[00:19] <thomas__1> what two things?
[00:19] <Sparky_> They look almost the same -.-
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> MissVera: in the liveCD run:  gksudo gparted   and you can manipulate the drive
[00:19] <Sparky_> ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386 (1).iso
[00:19] <Sparky_> And
[00:19] <thomas__1> Sparky did you click twice?
[00:19] <Sparky_> ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[00:19] <thomas__1> haha
[00:19] <Sparky_> Don't think so lol
[00:19] <thomas__1> you did
[00:20] <thomas__1> you can stop 1 of them
[00:20] <Sparky_> lol
[00:20] <Sparky_> ok
[00:20] <MissVera> ActionParsnip, lol. I spent an hour trying to figure out how to partition the other day using Gparted.I'll give it a go.
[00:20] <thomas__1> the other thing you need, scroll down a bit and click the usb instructions
[00:20] <Sparky_> `k
[00:20] <thomas__1> there's a program to create a live usb for you, dl that
[00:22] <MissVera> live USB thing - http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:22] <Sparky_> m
[00:22] <Sparky_> If I use it on a USB I can always delete it can't i?
[00:22] <mz|`_> Sparky_: you could also have used LiLi USB Creator, it 1/ download the ISO 2/ choose the key 3/ install the ISO on the USB automatically
[00:22] <mz|`_> yes just format the key
[00:22] <MissVera> yeah..
[00:23] <Sparky_> Format the key o.o?
[00:23] <i7c> can i list recent package upgrades somehow?
[00:23] <Sparky_> Could someone teamview with me and help? lol i'm confused beyond belief
[00:23] <MissVera> just format it :P
[00:23] <Sparky_> Idk how to do that -.-
[00:23] <muelli> i7c: very likely. There should be something in /var/log. probably "dpkg.log" or smth like that.
[00:24] <catphish> has anyone else had any problems starting at Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC
[00:24] <muelli> catphish: yes
[00:24] <muelli> catphish: http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today/403752#403752
[00:26] <i7c> muelli: indeed. thx!
[00:26] <catphish> thanks
[00:28] <thomas__1> how's Sparky doing, he stopped talking
[00:29] <aristidesfl> tried to install fglrx without success and now my screen is blank
[00:29] <aristidesfl> I've got ssh connection
[00:29] <aristidesfl> what to do?
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> aristidesfl: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:31] <aristidesfl> ActionParsnip http://hastebin.com/vujowelelo
[00:31] <fuzzynurfhurter> for some reason i cant get apt-get to install anything
[00:31] <rhizmoe> root?
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> aristidesfl: check what: fglrx(0): firegl_SetSuspendResumeState FAILED -9      is
[00:34] <mo7> hello
[00:34] <MissVera> Alright, I'm using UNetBootin to make a USB install for Voyager (Xubuntu)and near the bottom, it says, "Space used to preserve files across reboots (Ubuntu only)" then has a space for you to set it at however many mb.   How much should I allocate?
[00:35] <escott> MissVera, enough to store whatever files you want to save
[00:35] <thomas__1> Vera: What do you want to use it for? just installing?
[00:35] <MissVera> thomas__1 yes, just to install.
[00:36] <wolfgang_> Does anyone know a good nintendo 64 emulator?
[00:36] <thomas__1> then none
[00:36] <escott> MissVera, then zero
[00:36] <Sparky_> Nintendo 64?
[00:36] <MissVera> I cant see to install distros from cd, so i stick to flash drives
[00:36] <Sparky_> Nintendo 64 is so old they probably don't even have one x.x
[00:36] <MissVera> k
[00:36] <Sparky_> lol
[00:37] <MissVera> too old for an emulator? lul?
[00:37] <wolfgang_> Sparky_ , They have them i played on them on windows.
[00:37] <Sparky_> oh
[00:37] <Sparky_> hmm o_o
[00:37] <wolfgang_> i need one for linux
[00:38] <MissVera> there are emulators for NES games. how would a 64 be too old? :x
[00:38] <muelli> wolfgang_: a quick search on http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=n64 revealed mupen64plus
[00:38] <wolfgang_> melli, on software center?
[00:38] <wolfgang_> muelli, on sofware center?
[00:39] <escott> !info mupen64plus | wolfgang_
[00:39] <muelli> wolfgang_: I suggest that you check that yourself.
[00:39] <wolfgang_> I have so much random stuff D:
[00:40] <wolfgang_> muelli, can't find it
[00:40] <wolfgang_> Not I But the search
[00:40] <kristenB> How can I set my computer to allow only reverse ssh connections ?
[00:40] <muelli> wolfgang_: you have to have universe enabled.
[00:40] <wolfgang_> I have to go bye
[00:40] <muelli> kristenB: what is a reverse SSH connection?
[00:40] <wolfgang_> also what is univers?
[00:41] <kristenB> muelli: a ssh with the option -R...
[00:41] <wolfgang_> !universe
[00:41] <wolfgang_> Gota go
[00:42] <muelli> kristenB: yes. So what do you want your computer to do? Do you want to set openssh up in such a way that people can only do (reverse) port forwarding?
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> you cn buy an N64 for next to nothing and the games cost less than a mars bar
[00:42] <escott> kristenB, why would you want this?
[00:42] <kristenB> muelli: yes
[00:42] <kristenB> muelli: why not ?
[00:42] <kristenB> escott: why not?
[00:43] <escott> kristenB, i mean why would you want to allow reverse ssh but not regular ssh?
[00:43] <escott> kristenB, beyond just putting up a firewall?
[00:43] <numberto1> Hi guys, I keep getting system errors and as far as I understood it is because of posgresql-9.1.  Can I just completely remove it? (Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade from 11.10)
[00:44] <kristenB> escott: because I would like to have access to a computer B that is behind a NAT, without giving him access to my computer.
[00:44] <muelli> kristenB: well. If it was me, I'd create a user with /bin/false as shell and put a public key in ~user/.ssh/authorized_keys with the necessary parameters set up. I believe man ssh_config or sshd_config lists the necessary options
[00:45] <escott> kristenB, how about setting up an auth-key and setting the command to /bin/false?
[00:45] <muelli> kristenB: i.e. I have something for a friend. The following allows him to do port forwarding, but doesn't get a shell: command="sleep 900",no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding $the_public_key
[00:45] <kristenB> muelli: so what's the full command exactly ?
[00:46] <numberto1> So can anybody tell me if I can fully delete postgresql from ubuntu?
[00:46] <kristenB> escott: how would setting the command to /bin/false work exactly ?
[00:46] <muelli> kristenB: well. cat >> ~user/.ssh/authorized_keys <<EOF
[00:46] <muelli> kristenB: and then the string fom above. Then CTRL+D
[00:46] <muelli> or EOF really
[00:46] <escott> kristenB, much as muelli suggested. you setup a key for this usage and put it in authkeys with the command=/bin/false prefixed before the public key
[00:47] <kristenB> I'm sorry I'm quite lost I'm actually not used to settings keys, I usually just do with passwords
[00:47] <escott> kristenB, auth keys are AMAZING
[00:48] <muelli> but kristenB. That's rather advanced OpenSSH voodoo. I'd suggest you to read up on OpenSSH, Publickeys, linux user management and so on. And come back after a week of studying and experimenting.
[00:48] <kristenB> so step by step, assuming A is my computer, and B is the computer I want to access through the reverse ssh connection (that is, B is supposed to connect to A with ssh in such a way that A can access B)
[00:48] <escott> kristenB, run ssh-keygen it will ask for a path to the key call it id_rsa_untrusted
[00:49] <escott> kristenB, that will create id_rsa_untrusted and id_rsa_untrusted.pub
[00:49] <kristenB> so run ssh-keygen on A, right ?
[00:49] <kristenB> wait I'm doing it as you say
[00:49] <kristenB> so the first step is to run ssh-keygen on A ?
[00:49] <escott> kristenB, yes. give B id_rsa_untrusted and add a line to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys that starts "command=/bin/false " and follows with the contents of id_rsa_untrusted.pub
[00:50] <kristenB> so I typed ssh-keygen. It asks me where to save it and seems to give me a default path. Should I just type 'enter' ?
[00:50] <escott> kristenB, no call it untrusted
[00:51] <escott> kristenB, you dont want to confuse this key with YOUR key. this is an untrusted identity
[00:51] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: i own an n64 and a usb->n64 adapter mupen64plus is amazing.
[00:51] <kristenB> it says "Enter file in which to save the key (/home/kristen/.ssh/id_rsa):" should I type the whole path ?
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: n64 is 6 GBP...
[00:52] <kristenB> should I type 'id_rsa_untrusted' or '/home/kristen/.ssh/id_rsa_untrusted' ?
[00:52] <escott> kristenB, sure otherwise it will save it to your ~ (or whatever folder you are currently in)
[00:52] <kristenB> I should type '/home/kristen/.ssh/id_rsa_untrusted' then?
[00:53] <escott> kristenB, sure
[00:53] <kristenB> now it asks for a passphrase
[00:53] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: check out the prices for new n64 games.  i own a boxed copy of "Pocky & Rocky 2" that i got from a 2nd hand thrift sort for nothing - and it's probably worth $500+ ;) </OT>
[00:53] <escott> kristenB, this is a password for the key. you would need to give any such password to B, or you can just press [ENTER] to leave it passwordless
[00:54] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: sorry Pocky & Rocky 2 is an SNES game
[00:55] <kristenB> ok, I chose a password. The shell returned. What now ?
[00:55] <kristenB> I need to give this key to B, right ?
[00:55] <escott> kristenB, now "ls -l ~/.ssh" should show the untrusted rsa file
[00:55] <escott> kristenB, lets do some other stuff to make sure it works the way we want
[00:55] <sunshinehappy> vidalia can't connect to the debian-tor instance of tor that's launched by init, if I kill it vidalia can launch its own tor and work fine: How can I get it so I don't have to kill the debian-tor tor after starting up?
[00:56] <escott> kristenB, "cd .ssh" and then "cat id_rsa_untrusted.pub" just so you know what the public key looks like, and "cat id_rsa_untrusted.pub >> authorized_keys" to add it, and "ssh -i id_rsa_untrusted localhost" to verify that your authkeys is working to allow login
[00:58] <escott> kristenB, if that was done correctly you should have gotten an ssh login without being asked for your password (not what we want for B, but it means that auth keys is working)
[00:58] <kristenB> what is -i in ssh ?
[00:59] <escott> kristenB, it specifies what identify file to use. by default it uses ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[00:59] <muelli> kristenB: the identity to use. as "man ssh" will tell you :o)
[00:59] <matreya6> escott, moving the partition start is warned against even by parted itself On top of that it seems that this WD-EARX (Green) drive has an annoying "feature" that causes it to park every 10 seconds when not using Windows causing the @!# drive to fai within a year. I'll never buy these drives again.
[00:59] <escott> matreya6, the second should be something you can deal with through hdparm
[01:00] <kristenB> well as a matter of fact it did ask for a password
[01:00] <escott> kristenB, but was it the password for the id_rsa_untrusted or YOUR password
[01:00] <kristenB> mine
[01:00] <matreya6> escott, no, because it is in the firmware of the drives itself, which can only be interfaced using a Windows driver directly form WD
[01:01] <escott> kristenB, ssh -v -i id_rsa_untrusted localhost   will explain what ssh is doing. could you paste the output of that
[01:01] <escott> !paste | kristenB
[01:03] <kristenB> but I didn't choose any password when prompted by ssh-keygen, maybe that's because of that
[01:03] <xaviergmail> How would I go about wiping a drive completely with as many pases as possible, I'm handing out a computer to a friend and I have bank data on the drive which I want to be completely wiped
[01:03] <xaviergmail> and not recoverable by any means?
[01:03] <kristenB> there's no need to set a password, because only reverse will be allowed anyway
[01:03] <escott> kristenB, no. its something else. maybe the permissions of auth_keys are too open. what is ls -l ~/.ssh/authorized_keys say?
[01:04] <kristenB> -rw-rw-r--
[01:04] <MissVera> xaviergmail  google gives quite a few programs :X
[01:04] <catphish> xaviergmail: a single wipe is currently not recoverable by any means but you can overwrite using dd and urandom a couple of times if you want
[01:04] <escott> kristenB, thats the problem. chmod 600 authorized_keys
[01:05] <MissVera> For complete destruction, I believe It's something like 30 over-writes?
[01:05] <xaviergmail> I read somewhere that 7 pass wipe is the standard for us government
[01:05] <MissVera> Not quite
[01:05] <xaviergmail> and a friend told me 32 pass is overkill but completely safe
[01:05] <MissVera> yerp
[01:05] <kristenB> escott:  well even after chmod,  ssh -i id_rsa_untrusted localhost still asks for a password
[01:05] <xaviergmail> the thing is google failed me on a 32 pass drive wiper
[01:06] <escott> kristenB, then throw some -v's in there and paste it over to us
[01:06] <MissVera> its not necessarily overkill. depends on how safe you want your data
[01:06] <xaviergmail> I want it as safe as possible
[01:08] <escott> kristenB, ssh -vv -i id_rsa...
[01:09] <webster> hello
[01:09] <kristenB> escott:  yes I'm doing it
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> xaviergmail: single pass is al you need
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> xaviergmail: you can use dd to echo 0s to the drive from start to end
[01:10] <kristenB> http://pastebin.com/fJhr3G1X
[01:11] <xaviergmail> ActionParsnip:  isn't a single pass recoverable by a magnetic something method?
[01:11] <escott> kristenB, weird. its offering the key, but its not being accepted. what does "ls -l ~/.ssh" say
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> xaviergmail: no, the info you have is waaay out of date about needing multiple wipes
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> xaviergmail: you could wipe with 1s then 0s if you really want but a single sweep is sufficient
[01:12] <alankila> xaviergmail: probably not for last few decades. The data density is too high today for there to be any sense of meaningful residual magnetic stuff to recover. Or whatever the original theory was.
[01:12] <kristenB> The files are authorized_keys (rw-------) id_rsa_untrusted (rw---------) id_rsa_untrusted.pub (-rw-r--r--) and known_hosts (-rw-r--r--)
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> alankila: not seen anyone ask about this stuff in years now :)
[01:13] <alankila> the point is, these days we're lucky to get the original data back when we try to read it, because redundancies are getting too low for reliable operation.
[01:13] <OerHeks> xaviergmail, test it yourself with testdisk: if testdisk can find anything, it will find it immidiatly.
[01:13] <xaviergmail> ActionParsnip:  Alright I'll do a 2 pass wipe with 1's and 0's, I'm paranoid like that :P
[01:13] <escott> kristenB, and authorized_keys is the same as id_rsa_untrusted.pub. "diff authorized_keys id_rsa_untrusted.pub" should say no differences
[01:14] <xaviergmail> and I'll try that oer, thanks
[01:14] <kristenB> no it's not
[01:15] <escott> kristenB, ok. id_rsa_untrusted.pub should be one of the lines of authorized_keys (did you cat id_rsa_untrusted >> authorized_keys instead of .pub by chance?)
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> xaviergmail: i'd just smash up the drive and buy new if yu have that many tinfoil hats
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> xaviergmail: drives are cheap
[01:16] <alankila> also whatever you write it's going to get encoded into some semiregularly flipping magnetic field based on some encoding. It is not true that if you write 0 somehow the entire disk gets magnetized to north or south orientation. Regardless what you write, at the platter level there will be polarity swaps because to recover the information at all, the field polarity must change regularly.
[01:16] <kristenB> escott: woopsie
[01:16] <kristenB> escott:  sorry about that, you're right, let me correct that
[01:17] <escott> kristenB, its easy to get the two confused :). you can just delete the authorized_keys file and try again. don't forget to chmod 600 the auth keys file
[01:17] <alankila> this is because the disk is spinning at some speed which is not known exactly, and too long runs of no change of polarity are difficult to detect. Was that 500 0-bits I just read, or 501? You get the idea, hopefully.
[01:17] <kristenB> ok it works now
[01:17] <kristenB> no password asked
[01:17] <kristenB> what's the next step then ?
[01:17] <xaviergmail> I guess
[01:17] <xaviergmail> thanks guys
[01:18] <escott> kristenB, so thats clearly not what you want. so you now open authorized_keys in an editor
[01:18] <kristenB> done
[01:18] <Jonny1> Hi. I want to route audio from different applications to different sound card outputs. I have a USB 5.1 channel sound module plus the onboard audio card so theoretically I could have 8 channels of output. Which software would I use? In particular, I want to use one audio player such as rhythm box to preview songs to headphones and another player like banshee or audacious to play songs to loudspeakers
[01:19] <escott> kristenB, before the ssh-rsa you can put various things. in this case put 'command=/bin/false,from="B's ip if known",no-X11-forwarding,noagent-forwarding'
[01:20] <scaidernet> hello
[01:21] <escott> kristenB, that should probably be no-agent-forwarding (check the ssh man page for the various options). but now the ssh -i command should login and immediately exit
[01:22] <escott> kristenB, and if you tried to specify a command like ssh -i ... -C /bin/bash it shouldn't let you
[01:23] <jfujuweijfdfh> hi all. are any people have problems with ubuntu server 10.04? we seem to have had about 10 of our servers bomb out at 00:00(UTC) - 2 hours ago with very high load and processes exhibit really high cpu
[01:23] <kristenB> what does no-agent-forwarding mean ?
[01:24] <alankila> jfujuweijfdfh: hmm, could it be the leap second thing?
[01:24] <jfujuweijfdfh> alankila: whats that then? pardon my ignorance
[01:25] <escott> kristenB, suppose B has a key to access C, and wants to connect through A without giving A the key. he can forward his agent and then its as if his key was on A, but it really never leaves B
[01:25] <alankila> jfujuweijfdfh: they inserted a leap second at end of June
[01:26] <kristenB> escott: as far as quotes go, should it be of the form:       ssh-rsa command=/bin/false,from="<IP_ADDRESS>",no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding  ABCD...rest_of_the_key
[01:26] <escott> kristenB, long and short you probably want to say no to most things that B might want to use
[01:26] <alankila> jfujuweijfdfh: the timing matches for 00:00 as that would be the insertion time, I suppose
[01:26] <alankila> or it might be. I'm not 100% sure how the process works.
[01:26] <escott> kristenB, from=<IP_ADDRESS> is going to stop everyone from using that line
[01:26] <escott> kristenB, if you don't know B's address then leave the from clause out
[01:26] <kristenB> I know I meant just the syntax
[01:26] <jfujuweijfdfh> alankila: ah interesting. im wondering if it is unlikely to be an ubuntu thing if no one else has raised it - im guessing theres no talk of it on here
[01:27] <escott> kristenB, and all that comes before the ssh-rsa bit
[01:27] <kristenB> the quotes, are they correct
[01:27] <alankila> jfujuweijfdfh: I heard that old kernels -- was it 2.6.28 and earlier -- may actually crash trying to handle the leap second
[01:27] <escott> kristenB, the ssh-rsa identifies the format of the hexkey
[01:27] <kpl> I uninstalled empathy but I still have those availability options ( available, away, offline) under my messaging menu, How can I remove those? ubuntu 12.04
[01:27] <escott> kristenB, your quotes are fine
[01:28] <kristenB> ok the file has been edited
[01:28] <kristenB> what now
[01:28] <kristenB> I could try that I can't indeed access loopback like I was able to before, right?
[01:28] <escott> kristenB, try your ssh -i and you should be rejected based on the from clause
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> kpl: may have to log off and on
[01:28] <whoever> hi all, need some help, i am running lightty(thAT is not running at the moment) and i direct my brower to my website, i get not found, but the signiture line says apache 2.0 .. why, i don't have apache installed
[01:29] <kristenB> well now it's asking for a password again, is that expected ?
[01:29] <kpl> Didn't work out ActionParsnip , But thanx for the response
[01:29] <escott> kristenB, make the from clause <IP_ADDRESS> and try again and you should be able to login, but you immediately disconnect because your shell is /bin/false
[01:29] <jfujuweijfdfh> alankila: we are on 2.6.32 so fairly close
[01:29] <escott> kristenB, so its skipping that line because the from doesn't match
[01:29] <alankila> jfujuweijfdfh: well, that is one specific bug. Perhaps you hit some other bug.
[01:29] <jfujuweijfdfh> okay
[01:30] <kristenB> I would like it to be even more severe than that
[01:30] <kristenB> rather than just going back to the password level, I would like my computer to refuse the ssh connection
[01:30] <kristenB> is that not possible ?
[01:30] <escott> kristenB, you can disable password login
[01:30] <jfujuweijfdfh> it definitely seems to be a time based thing as the load shot up at midnight utc. rebooting the boxes work so i guess the leap second could be an explanation; whether it is a kernel thing or something else we are running, im not sure
[01:30] <poooooki> yes
[01:30] <kristenB> just for that key?
[01:30] <poooooki> a leap second was inserted
[01:31] <poooooki> reboot fixes the problem.
[01:31] <poooooki> seems to be a kernel bug to do with threading.
[01:31] <alankila> time is a dangerous thing, it seems. Mess with it and all systems break.
[01:31] <kristenB> escott: just for that key?
[01:31] <escott> kristenB, thats not really meaningful. thats like saying. "i see you have a key, but it doesn't fit and i'm not allowed to ask a password when you have a key" well in that case the next time i come to the door i'll just say "i dont have a key"
[01:32] <kristenB> i see what you mean
[01:32] <kristenB> makes sense :)
[01:32] <Nefertem> anyone use jolicloud?
[01:33] <escott> kristenB, what you really want is to disable password login outside of your subnet in /etc/sshd_config
[01:33] <kristenB> let me try to modify 'from' and see how it goes
[01:33] <alankila> Another reported, although somewhat inexplicable, crash related to the leap second insertion: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/6/30/122
[01:33] <fellayaboy> instead of using zenity id like to use that gui widget i guess its what its called.. the one the networkmanager uses when you connect and disconnect internet
[01:34] <fellayaboy> whats the name of that, how can i use that widget instead of zenity for my scripts
[01:34] <kristenB> escott: I'm not sure I would want that. Because then I wouldn't be able to connect from elsewhere without having exchanged the keys previously. But it's okay my password is really strong and the port has been changed
[01:34] <Jordan_U> fellayaboy: notify-osd
[01:34] <fellayaboy> thank u
[01:34] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: notify-osd
[01:34] <alankila> Hmm I definitely see loads going up at UTC 00:00 here too
[01:34] <Jordan_U> fellayaboy: So you probably want to use notify-send.
[01:35] <escott> kristenB, you can also carry an id_rsa around on a usb keychain, and keep your key with your keys
[01:35] <alankila> three virtual machines appear to be suffering from high cpu usage. Oh lovely.
[01:35] <fellayaboy> Jordan_U theres no issues using that for the purpose of just echoing a line of text is there
[01:36] <kristenB> escott: true, ok I'll do that
[01:36] <kristenB> escott: the fact is I always have a usb key with me
[01:36] <jfujuweijfdfh> alankila: seems to be a bug https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=360514&tstart=0
[01:37] <poooooki> 1.8 Million context switches. woot.
[01:37] <jfujuweijfdfh> other ppl talking about cpu steal
[01:37] <escott> kristenB, if you are security conscious thats the best practice, but it is a bit of a pain
[01:37] <Jordan_U> fellayaboy: None that I can think of, though I don't know your specific use yet.
[01:37] <kristenB> escott: I've changed 'from' to <IP_ADDRESS> but I'm still being asked for a password ?
[01:38] <fellayaboy> just to echo if an exit status is 0 or 1..if 0 then echo success if not then something went wrong..etc
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: eg:  notify-send 'Test Message' 'Great success!!'
[01:38] <fellayaboy> allllriight great success
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: I like!!
[01:38] <escott> kristenB, im not too sure how the from line works. maybe it wants localhost there...
[01:38] <fellayaboy> can i draw 2 thumbs up with a mustached man
[01:38] <fellayaboy> lol
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: there is an option for an image in notify-send :)
[01:39] <kristenB> escott: as a matter of fact I've just tried without 'from', it also asks me for a password...
[01:39] <fellayaboy> no way
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: way
[01:39] <fellayaboy> let me check the man page
[01:39] <escott> kristenB, what does the auth_keys line look like (you can safely paste it here since it only has the public part of the key)
[01:39] <fellayaboy> lol the icon
[01:40] <fellayaboy> ima test it brb
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: notify-send 'Test Message' 'Great success' -i ~/Pictures/wawaweewa.png
[01:40] <fellayaboy> nice nice thank u
[01:40] <Guest990> Does anyone know if there's a way to use dual monitors with a kvm virtual machine?
[01:40] <kristenB> so just to be clear as to what I'm doing, what I have in authorized_keys is                command=/bin/false,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding ssh-rsa  ABCD..rest_of_the_key... kristen@pc
[01:40] <alankila> well this was poor showing from linux's part. I have mysqlds and java processes showing high cpu usage here
[01:40] <alankila> all rebooted by now though
[01:41] <kristenB> and then I'm doing ssh -i id_rsa_untrusted localhost
[01:41] <escott> kristenB, that looks ok
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> alankila: is it oracle's java?
[01:41] <alankila> openjdk
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> alankila: any bugs reported for either?
[01:41] <David_Miller> Is there a way to fix the leap second load without a reboot
[01:42] <ActionParsnip> David_Miller: could sync to an ntp server
[01:42] <kristenB> actually I've tried different things, and I've found out that only removing command=/bin/false permits to log in without password
[01:43] <David_Miller> I am synced, that is the problem :)
[01:43] <David_Miller> aren't people in this channell getting the 100% load issue?
[01:43] <alankila> looks like restarting mysqld does not even fix it. Do I really have to reboot this machine to recover from this
[01:43] <alankila> it just goes right back to the 100% cpu use
[01:43] <escott> kristenB, i think i know what might be happening. try ssh -i ... -C /bin/false
[01:43] <David_Miller> alankila: let me know if you find out
[01:43] <David_Miller> and i'll do the same
[01:43] <David_Miller> I tried stoping/starting all my services
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> alankila: maybe its the leap second thing
[01:44] <alankila> sure it is
[01:44] <alankila> started right after the 00:00 UTC
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> alankila: then if its convenient, reboot
[01:44] <David_Miller> It's not convenient :)
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> alankila: or submit an emergency change then reboot
[01:44] <operatorplik> haloo
[01:44] <kristenB> escott: doesn't work either
[01:44] <fellayaboy> ha golden Actionparsnip...im adding that borat to my script
[01:44] <fellayaboy> it worked
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: nice!
[01:45] <operatorplik> morninggg
[01:45] <fellayaboy> ima go read up more thank u for ur help guys
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> fellayaboy: but when will jack be here?
[01:45] <fellayaboy> jack?
[01:45] <operatorplik> halo my name is aida :)
[01:46] <operatorplik> halo tasmania
[01:46] <Tasmania> hey.
[01:46] <din> alankila, i find just rebooting and saying the machine rebooted is much easier than getting approval to do so. ;)
[01:46] <fellayaboy> later dudes
[01:47] <operatorplik> where do you laive my friends??
[01:47] <poooooki> I have rebooted 80 machines thus far. Fingers hurt.
[01:47] <David_Miller> so why does reboot fix it?
[01:47] <alankila> well it's mildly inconvenient to have to reboot for this
[01:48] <alankila> well, I guess it can't be helped. What a bummer.
[01:49] <escott> kristenB, try putting /bin/false inside quotes
[01:49] <David_Miller> poooooki: im sorry :(
[01:49] <escott> kristenB, apparently thats necessary
[01:49] <David_Miller> we are going to have to do reboots remotely which is always scary
[01:49] <kristenB> escott: where
[01:49] <escott> kristenB, command="/bin/false"
[01:49] <kristenB> escott: in -C or in auth_keys ?
[01:50] <escott> kristenB, and then it shoudl just work. the -C is unnecessary
[01:50] <kristenB> escott: I'm afraid it still doesn't work, I've just tried it
[01:50] <alankila> well, that took care of that
[01:50] <kristenB> escott: not even with -C
[01:51] <escott> kristenB, so your auth keys looks like 'command="/bin/false",no.... ssh-rsa ...'
[01:51] <kristenB> escott: nor -C '/bin/false'
[01:51] <kristenB> escott: no it's not like that, i had single quotes
[01:51] <kristenB> escott: let me try double
[01:52] <escott> kristenB, it needs to be double quotes
[01:52] <din> alankila, i trust everything came back up ok?
[01:52] <alankila> yeah it only took a reboot
[01:52] <rango> I am Chinese, but I am using an English Ubuntu Desktop System,what can I do as the input method switcher always  strike after I reboot ?
[01:53] <kristenB> escott: ok it works now. Thanks :). It closes right away though. That's because I didn't use -C, right ?
[01:53] <geekbri> leap seconds thank god they ruin your day
[01:53] <escott> kristenB, no thats because the shell is /bin/false
[01:53] <fuzzynurfhurter> hi yall how can u change the login manager from lxdm back to the default??
[01:53] <escott> kristenB, you can try any -C command you want. it will be ignored. the shell is /bin/false. and it immediately returns. the user cannot DO anything with that key. it opens to a brick wall
[01:54] <alankila> still, I guess the joke is on us. If windows has to be rebooted because mouse pointer was moved, at least that is something that the user did. This time the clocks were adjusted via NTP and linux had to be rebooted.
[01:54] <escott> kristenB, but with a master control file you should be able to use that open connection to reverse ssh out
[01:55] <kristenB> escott: hmm, there's a slight difference though. If I don't add -C, it ouputs 'Connection to localhost closed.'. However, if I add -C /bin/ls, it doesn't output anything. Why doesn't it output the same message ?
[01:55] <alankila> I'll be interested to read the scoop about this tomorrow
[01:56] <escott> kristenB, so on B set "Host *  ControlMaster auto  ControlPath /tmp/ssh_%r@%h:%p  ControlPersist 4h" in ~/.ssh/config and it when B starts the connection to A he opens the channel but cant do anything. the channel stays open for 4 hours
[01:57] <escott> kristenB, probably because with -C ssh is not supposed to be interactive so the ssh client does not generate the message that says "your session was closed" that would confuse an application that tried to parse the output of an ssh -C command
[01:57] <fuzzynurfhurter> hi yall how can u change the login manager from lxdm back to the default manager??
[01:57] <kristenB> I see
[01:58] <kristenB> ok so now I'm supposed to go to B, right ?
[01:58] <trism> fuzzynurfhurter: which ubuntu version?
[01:58] <WeThePeople> is anybody familiar with mkisofs?
[01:58] <escott> kristenB, yes. now you can give the untrusted key to B, and setup B to use a control file and persist the connection, and to use the untrusted id file to connect to your system
[01:59] <kristenB> so the first step is to give *.pub to B, right ?
[02:00] <escott> kristenB, no give it the key itself (you can give anyone the pub, but B needs the private key)
[02:00] <kristenB> what's the use of the public key then?
[02:00] <escott> kristenB, anyone can have the *.pub (and you should feel happy giving it out) the other file is the real key, the pub is what the key fits into
[02:01] <escott> kristenB, mathematically its a bit more complicated, but someone with id_rsa.pub can generate a challenge that only someone with id_rsa can solve
[02:01] <kristenB> as far as ssh is concerned though
[02:02] <escott> kristenB, so you give me your id_rsa.pub, and then i challenge you and say "solve this" if you can then you have id_rsa, if you cant then you dont
[02:02] <kristenB> in what use case would it be useful to give the public key as far as ssh is concerned?
[02:02] <amh345> is there an issue with ubuntu and leap second?
[02:02] <escott> kristenB, the pub keys go on the machines you want to have access to. the private keys stay on the machines that need access
[02:03] <kristenB> right
[02:03] <naptastic> What do I use now instead of chkconfig?
[02:03] <bunty> hi all
[02:03] <kristenB> ok so let's copy it from A to B.
[02:03] <escott> kristenB, i could say "put this in your authorized_keys" and if you were stupid enough to do so I would have access to your machine. no skin off my back ssh-rsa AAAAB3N....
[02:03] <Corey> naptastic: update-rc.d
[02:03] <naptastic> Corey, thank you!
[02:03] <Corey> naptastic: no worries.
[02:04] <bunty> I just installed ubuntu but the system didn't create my user for me. instead I get "guest" login
[02:04] <bunty> how can i add or create a new user ?
[02:04] <Corey> bunty: useradd
[02:04] <ActionParsnip> alankila: its good to clear RAM and possibly boot to new kernel etc
[02:05] <bunty> sudo useradd newuser doesn't work bc user "guest" isn't in the sudo list
[02:05] <Corey> bunty: Uh... is there a ubuntu user?
[02:05] <Corey> bunty: ls /ome
[02:05] <Corey> Er, /home
[02:05] <ActionParsnip> bunty: you can reboot to root recovery mode and make a user there, the Ubuntu install process asks you to make a user which you can now log in with, sounds like you aren't using ubuntu
[02:06] <bunty> yes it did
[02:06] <bunty> I made the user bunty but .... it's not there
[02:06] <WeThePeople> is anybody familiar with mkisofs?
[02:06] <escott> !anyone | WeThePeople
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> bunty: so your user that you made isn't in the user list in thelogin screen?
[02:08] <bunty> correct
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> bunty: let me search
[02:08] <kristenB> escott: ok i've copied id_rsa_untrusted to B.
[02:08] <Jagst3r15> i cannot play my DVD
[02:09] <Jagst3r15> it says i need to install gstreamer stuff but it then gives me an error message
[02:09] <WeThePeople> how do i make a iso from a folder using mkisofs?
[02:09] <escott> !dvd | Jagst3r15
[02:09] <rinzler> I'm not seeing xubuntu as an apt-get option...
[02:10] <kristenB> escott: now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it have been more logical to generate that key in B, and send the public part to A ?
[02:10] <mneptok> Jagst3r15: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:10] <bunty> ok I think I will load the CD again and mount the /target and add the user.
[02:10] <mneptok> rinzler: xubuntu-desktop or xfce
[02:10] <bunty> how do I add a user to the sudo list ?
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> bunty: if you log off and press CTRL+ALT+F1 and log in as bunty there, you can run:  echo "greeter-hide-users=true" | sudo tee -a /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[02:10] <Corey> bunty: visudo
[02:11] <mneptok> bunty: adduser $NAME admin
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> bunty: then run:  sudo reboot   and you can type your username to log in with
[02:11] <rinzler> mneptok: does that include all the packages necessary?
[02:11] <escott> kristenB, you could do that if you wanted, but i would discourage B from using this as his key. if he decides to change keys then you have to change keys. its easier if you control the key and just tell him to use it
[02:11] <mneptok> rinzler: yes
[02:11] <chamunks> I gotta create a link in my ubuntu lamp setup to a directory outside of /var/www/ how would i do this?
[02:11] <rinzler> mneptok: Ok. Thanks!
[02:11] <Pecker> symlink chamunks
[02:11] <mneptok> rinzler: xubuntu-desktop is all the Xubuntu apps. xfce is the DE only.
[02:11] <Pecker> see ln cmd
[02:11] <escott> kristenB, normally yes. B would have his key and ask you to make if fit in your lock (give you the .pub) but this isn't HIS key its really YOUR key
[02:11] <Jagst3r15> mneptok thanks!
[02:11] <kristenB> escott: ok in any case the copy is done, what's the next step ?
[02:11] <rinzler> mneptok: perfect. Thanks!
[02:12] <kristenB> escott: I see. Thanks for the explanation
[02:12] <chamunks> Pecker, i tried "sudo ln -s ./ /var/www/get/ch/
[02:12] <chamunks> "
[02:12] <ActionParsnip> rinzler: xfce4 is the package for a minimal xfce DE
[02:12] <Doug2710> How can I find out if the ASUS P9X79 DELUXE motherboard will work with Ubuntu?
[02:13] <bunty> ok bbiab
[02:13] <Pecker> um then check to see if the link points to right place
[02:13] <philsf> hi, my netbook doesn't turn off speakers when I plug a headphone in. my girlfriend's netbook is the same model, and same ubuntu release (11.10) and it works there. I messed around with alsa configs some releases ago but don't know which files I should revert. Does anyone know where should I look to fix this?
[02:13] <kristenB> kristenB: first of all, in B, where do I have to put that key ?
[02:13] <Pecker> seesmto me you didnt give it the right link to go to though
[02:13] <kristenB> escott: first of all, in B, where do I have to put that key ?
[02:13] <ActionParsnip> Pecker: file /path/to/link
[02:14] <escott> kristenB, best to put it in ~/.ssh. then make his ~/.ssh/config look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068727/
[02:14] <hannss> Doug2710,  search for compatible hardware ubuntu. there's a site that lists a good amount of gear and its friendly status with ubuntu
[02:14] <Doug2710> thanks, I'll give it a shot
[02:15] <kristenB> escott: right now there's no file named config. Should I create an empty one or import /etc/ssh/config ?
[02:15] <escott> WeThePeople, mkisofs -o file.iso folder
[02:15] <escott> kristenB, you can create one
[02:16] <escott> kristenB, /tmp/ssh_%u.... may not be appropriate for that system. you should think about whether or not that is desirable
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> kristenB: won't it be /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:16] <cym13> hi, does anyone know a CLI video conferencing tool ? Skype's not keyboard friendly…
[02:17] <kristenB> ActionParsnip: maybe it was just from memory :)
[02:17] <chamunks> Pecker, im not sure how to do that.
[02:17] <kristenB> escott: so could you give me a short explanation as to what each line does so that i'm usre it corresponds to my issue ?
[02:17] <chamunks> im kind of suggesting if i knew how to do that I'd ... maybe do it or if i had a clue what to look for i'd look for it.
[02:17] <escott> kristenB, the way this controlmaster stuff works is that when he starts the connection it creates a file /tmp/ssh_user@host:port which is a handle and allows future ssh connections to use that same channel.
[02:17] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey guys, i need some help. i got a raid card in my computer, old thing i scored from an old dell precision 620. I configured the raid to be a 0 raid and im trying to install ubuntu desktop ontop of it.. however, ubuntu cant see the raid as a whole.. just the two drives.. help?
[02:18] <ActionParsnip> !raid | T3CHKOMMIE
[02:18] <kristenB> escott: I'm lost. Where is that file created, in A or B?
[02:18] <escott> kristenB, the concern would be that anyone can see that filename, and root can read that file and control the channel (not that root@B can do anything to you@A)
[02:18] <Sparky_> I'm back
[02:18] <Sparky_> lol
[02:18] <escott> kristenB, it creates it on B
[02:18] <T3CHKOMMIE> ActionParsnip, im not looking for a softraid. I already got the radio up and going.. just cant get ubuntu to SEE it as a raid... is there a driver im missing?
[02:18] <chamunks> I gotta create a link in my ubuntu lamp setup to a directory outside of /var/www/ how would i do this?
[02:18] <Pecker> chamunks: sudo ln -sfn /target/folder /folder/to/put/link/in/and/its/name
[02:19] <chamunks> sorry thanks boss.
[02:19] <chamunks> i appreciate it.
[02:19] <chamunks> I'll look into the details about how this works when i do it :)
[02:19] <kristenB> escott: I don't really understand the purpose of that file.
[02:19] <escott> kristenB, if there were 2000 people on this machine then the existence of /tmp/ssh_... would publicize the existence of YOUR machine and YOUR username which might concern you
[02:19] <Pecker> yeah see 'man ln' for more
[02:19] <aristidesfl> How can I disable gnome and keep xorg in 12.04 LTS?
[02:19] <sunshinehappy> When I kill a process in system monitor it says this could introduce a security risk: What security risk?
[02:20] <chamunks> thanks alot
[02:20] <escott> kristenB, right now when B ssh'es to A it runs /bin/false which closes immediately, giving you not time to reverse the connection. we need B to keep his channel open for a while
[02:20] <Pecker> sunshinehappy: depends on what data the app was using
[02:20] <Pecker> usually safe to ingore message
[02:20] <sunshinehappy> is there a guide to whether or not it's safe to kill certain processes?
[02:20] <kristenB> escott: oh I see.
[02:21] <Pecker> what process is giving you fite
[02:21] <Pecker> fits*
[02:21] <escott> kristenB, so we are setting up B to use this feature to persist all his connections for up to four hours (its also just a useful feature in general), so we enable connection sharing so all of B's connections to host X will be shared (which is more efficient) but it needs a file handle to run everything through
[02:21] <philsf> hi, my netbook doesn't turn off speakers when I plug a headphone in. my girlfriend's netbook is the same model, and same ubuntu release (11.10) and it works there. I messed around with alsa configs some releases ago but don't know which files I should revert. Does anyone know where should I look to fix this?
[02:21] <ActionParsnip> philsf: what netbook?
[02:21] <Pecker> !patience | philsf
[02:21] <Sparky_> Who was I talking to earlier about running ubuntu off a flash drive x.x I can't find them on the nick list :(
[02:22] <philsf> ActionParsnip, asus 1005ha
[02:22] <flab> Can anyone help me with ubuntu upgrade problems?
[02:22] <Pecker> flab: question is
[02:22] <ActionParsnip> philsf: why was that not in your initial question?
[02:22] <Nick9321> flab, what's wrong?
[02:22] <escott> kristenB, and the concern would be is "/tmp" the right place for B to keep his personal ssh persistence files. ideally you would have a /tmp for that specific user, so you could to /tmp/myusername/ thats not a bad place, but the desired config is really up to the sysadmin ofB
[02:22] <philsf> ActionParsnip, sorry for that. I didn't think it was relevant, since it's not a hardware problem, just a misconfig issue
[02:23] <Waraudon> A little concerned with the leap second problem. I'm running Precise on 3.2.0-26-generic-pae, anyone know if it's affected?
[02:23] <ActionParsnip> philsf: its the make and model of the system, so its very relevant
[02:23] <flab> i think i am having serious problems...i was doing an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 and i became under the impression that i had to restart my computer in order for the process to continue...
[02:23] <WeThePeople> escott, how do i specify the folder location, its on my desktop..thats the part i have trouble with
[02:23] <kristenB> escott: I see. How about /home/Bname/tmp ?
[02:23] <ActionParsnip> philsf: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh
[02:23] <nrdb> my upgrade to 12:04 has stopped mid-upgrade ... :( ... I think it lost the internet for an extended period.. is there anyway to get it going again? ... It is in the "install the upgrades" action.
[02:23] <flab> so i tried to restart and now i cant access my desktop
[02:24] <escott> kristenB, /home/Bname/tmp won't be cleared on reboot, which would cause problems if he crashed because he would need to clear his personal /tmp. better would be a /tmp/Bname
[02:24] <Wikipediatre> roflmao http://bit.ly/z7Ja9f
[02:24] <escott> WeThePeople, mkisofs -o ~/Desktop/output.iso ~/Desktop/folder
[02:24] <sunshinehappy> java web start is putting an icon on my desktop every time I launch it, how can I stop it creating the desktop icon?
[02:25] <Sparky_> Ok, i'm running Ubuntu off a flash drive atm, and I want to install it, what do I do?
[02:25] <philsf> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068738/
[02:25] <chamunks> Pecker, worked flawlessly.
[02:25] <kristenB> escott: I see. Well that was just for my information, in reality I'm also the only user on B, so I can put it in /tmp.
[02:25] <kristenB> escott: but what's the use of that persistent file ? Couldn't I do without ?
[02:25] <Pecker> nice
[02:26] <ActionParsnip> philsf: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa; sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*
[02:26] <ActionParsnip> philsf: wait 10 seconds then reboot
[02:26] <escott> kristenB, you need the file for controlmaster auto to work. auto first checks if that file exists, and if it doesn't creates the connection, otherwise it uses the connection. ControlMaster auto is really great stuff and should be the default (the only concern is this control file in /tmp)
[02:28] <escott> kristenB, you can also specify the control file on the CLI. so if you wanted to add this to something like /etc/rc.local then you could specify a control file in the command or hard code it within the Host section of the config file
[02:28] <kristenB> escott: what I also don't understand is the IdentityFile part. Is this file's content shared on the network unencrypted before the encryption takes place ?
[02:28] <philsf> ActionParsnip, ok, will try. if this works, should I be able to revert to pristine packages instead of those from the ppa?
[02:28] <futte> Hello
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> philsf: the ppa givs you a later alsa which can help as the defaults are old, it may help. The command is from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[02:29] <escott> kristenB, we are just hardcoding the -i id_rsa_untrusted bit with the IdentifyFile line
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> philsf: I just re-jig it to be nicer
[02:30] <nrdb> my upgrade to 12:04 has stopped mid-upgrade ... :( ... I think it lost the internet for an extended period.. is there anyway to get it going again? ... It is in the "install the upgrades" action.
[02:30] <kristenB> escott: I know. But that -i option, is it passed unencrypted over the wire ?
[02:30] <philsf> ActionParsnip, ok, thanks. I'll return in a while to report.
[02:31] <escott> kristenB, no. nothing in ssh is ever done unencrypted, and keys are in fact never passed in either direction. its all based on diffie hellman and public private key signatures
[02:31] <kristenB> escott: okay.
[02:32] <evilytwisted> is there anyway to restart a cysco router from terminal imput?
[02:32] <escott> kristenB, theoretically there is no danger in your doing ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:33] <kristenB> escott: yes that's somehow what I want to reproduce, B isn't a safe place;
[02:33] <kristenB> kristenB: it's work, actually
[02:35] <escott> kristenB, worst case someone (your boss) compromises B and gets id_rsa_untrusted, but all he can do is establish a connection to your computer. he can't do anything with that connection
[02:35] <kristenB> yes that's exactly what I want :)
[02:35] <kristenB> so sorry for asking again, but it hasn't pierced into my brain just yet. Why would we need a temporary file ?
[02:36] <evilytwisted> escott:  is there anyway to restart a cysco router from terminal input?
[02:36] <IdleOne> evilytwisted: question better asked in ##networking
[02:37] <escott> kristenB, so you want this connection to persist. and there are other ways to persist it other than control master, but control master is really useful and it works here
[02:37] <escott> kristenB, im not sure what you gain by doing otherwise
[02:38] <kristenB> escott: but what if I just used (from B): ssh -nrR A
[02:38] <helloworld> so many peoples here!
[02:38] <kristenB> escott: but what if I just used (from B): ssh -nrR 2000:<IP_ADDRESS>:22 A
[02:39] <phunyguy> helloworld: this is not a toy.
[02:39] <tking> hi guys how do i kill movie play, it won't exit and wont play
[02:39] <evilytwisted> use a sledge hammer?
[02:39] <evilytwisted> then a clawhammer?
[02:39] <kristenB> and then from A, a few hours later, ssh -p 2000 <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:39] <escott> kristenB, you could try without the control master. it might not be necessary. i've never used reverse connections.
[02:40] <tking> hi guys how do i kill movie playerer, it won't exit and wont play
[02:40] <gsr> hi all.  An hour ago, I noticed that flash and unity were lagging.  Tried restarting, then looked at the additional drivers section, and saw that fglrx has been uninstalled.  I tried enabling it again, but it failed, and told me to check jockey.log.  Never seen this log before, what should I be looking for?
[02:40] <IdleOne> !behelpful | evilytwisted
[02:40] <kristenB> escott: what's exactly the advantage of using a control master ?
[02:40] <evilytwisted> sorry
[02:40] <kristenB> escott: apart from, maybe, keeping the connection alive
[02:40] <escott> kristenB, my concern would be what makes the B connection persist? and i know with a control master you can make it persist. there may be other ways. perhaps you can directly specify the persistence of the connection in the Host section
[02:41] <kristenB> I think I would want it to indefinitely persist
[02:42] <kristenB> in other words, I would want to be able to access B from A at any given time, and not just within 4 hours of living B
[02:42] <escott> kristenB, http://www.vdomck.org/2005/11/reversing-ssh-connection.html
[02:42] <escott> kristenB, well you can tune that 4 hours, you could even have a script running on B that checks if the control master file is there, and if its not restarts the connection
[02:43] <escott> kristenB, or set the persistence for 4 hours and open the connection every hour
[02:43] <kristenB> escott: (I've already successfully achieved the reverse connection, and all this chat was about securing the access so that it could be used as a reverse connection and nothing more)
[02:44] <escott> kristenB, i know more about the auth keys than i do about the reverse connection stuff, but its up to both ends to keep that thing alive
[02:45] <escott> kristenB, controlmaster is nice because it would be the same connection that you would be keeping alive. you wouldn't have to worry about "do i need to make a new connection, or do i need to reset the timeout on the existing one?"
[02:45] <highlander-base> wow
[02:45] <highlander-base> i'd just like to say i've always been really really against gnome and ubuntu because i thoght they oversimplified everything and didn't really provide any good innovations
[02:45] <highlander-base> but with 12.04 and unity i'm amazed
[02:45] <kristenB> escott: I see. And could I set the time to indefinite or infinity ?
[02:46] <highlander-base> i just installed in on the c omp for my mom and dad (who have never been able to grasp windows or mac or kde or gnome in the past)
[02:46] <highlander-base> and they just immediately got it, it did what they expected when they expected it
[02:46] <L3top> gsr lspci -nn | grep VGA   please.
[02:46] <ActionParsnip> highlander-base: Unity is like marmite. You love it or hate it
[02:47] <gsr> L3top, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] [1002:954f]
[02:47] <highlander-base> and everything works right out of the box it got all of the network information all the drivers, and i now know all thier stuff is safely backed up on a cloud if something goes badly for them
[02:47] <escott> kristenB, i wouldn't put it above the half-life of your network connection between A and B, but sure you can make it big
[02:47] <caravel> hi there
[02:48] <ActionParsnip> highlander-base: i dunno about the backup thing...
[02:48] <highlander-base> actionparsnip: why? afraid of having your info on a cloud?
[02:48] <nrdb> my upgrade to 12:04 has stopped mid-upgrade ... :( ... I think it lost the internet for an extended period.. is there anyway to get it going again? ... It is in the "install the upgrades" action.
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> highlander-base: no, some folks diont backup
[02:49] <caravel> help please : I've got the alternate installer. Went for the assisted partition scheme woth full disk lvm+luks. Then I am trying to resize /boot and dmcrypt, therefore need to remove the default vg... but this seems like it cannot be done
[02:49] <caravel> looking at lvm cli tools from tty2, I can see it's gone, but the installer pretends it's still there no matter what I do...
[02:50] <highlander-base> ActionParsnip: well its the right move, i keep my files in 2 redundant places locally, i dont use a cloud because i dont like having my things out there but for most people its an easy solution to a really common problem, i dont know many people who havent lost massive amounts of personal data to a harddrive failure
[02:50] <caravel> [...] is the only solution to manually remove them and restart the whole installer ?
[02:50] <highlander-base> and its awesome that ubuntu is giving them a bit of space to do that for free built in integrated with their folders
[02:51] <caravel> [...] and then, choose manual scheme instead of partition scheme ?
[02:51] <gsr> L3top: and my /var/log/jockey.log file -> http://pastebin.com/YSv1TS9x
[02:51] <jjimm> hello, im looking to install ubuntu. I plan to use computer as simple server but i want the gui for setting up things like drivers and using web browser, how can i set up ubunutu without install things like libreoffice
[02:51] <kennydie> I WANAA RING IN A CSS SCRIM
[02:51] <L3top> gsr sorry... having some issues on my end here... one second please.
[02:52] <gsr> L3top, no worries, ping when convenient
[02:52] <kennydie> I WANAA RING IN A CSS SCRIM
[02:52] <jjimm> how
[02:52] <caravel> [...] so I removed the lvs, that's fine, then the vg says 0 lvs, looks good, but dmcrpt can't be removed because t says the vg s still there
[02:53] <caravel> [...] looks like the option to remove a vg is just missing ?
[02:55] <L3top> gsr was that the complete output of the lspci I asked for?
[02:55] <tking> i killed Movie Player bcos it wasnt responding, now i want to re-run it. When i clicked the icon in the lens it shows in panel blinks for few seconds and disappear not launches... any1 know why?
[02:55] <gsr> L3top, yes
[02:55] <escott> kristenB, apparently ControlPersist yes is indefinite
[02:55] <philsf> ActionParsnip, your tip worked. now jack sense works as expected. thank you very much
[02:56] <escott> kristenB, http://who-t.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html
[02:56] <gsr> tking, launch it from a terminal, see what it outputs
[02:56] <kristenB> escott: What I had working, before all this key stuff, was ssh -nrR 2000:<IP_ADDRESS>:22 A.  When I did so, I got a warning that said Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 2000".
[02:56] <tking> gsr, i don't know the name for it in terminal
[02:57] <kristenB> escott: typo:      ...I now* added...
[02:57] <escott> kristenB, i wonder if it needs to run something on the remote server to setup the port forwarding.
[02:57] <tking> gsr, i tried mplayer, also tried Movie Player
[02:58] <gsr> tking, totem
[02:58] <escott> kristenB, you might need to change /bin/false to something that setups up a netcat to forward the port manually
[02:59] <tking> gsr i typed totem nothing happened just went to nxt line (blank without my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:59] <tking> gsr ths is what it says Timeout was reachedtking@TKing-HP-PC:~$
[03:00] <kristenB> escott: so what you're saying is that I should create a script from A, and then modify A's file 'authorized_keys' to command="script", so that B can only execute that script from ssh, and that this script is actually the one that would do port forwarding ?
[03:00] <caravel> [...] That really looks like a bug : despite even removing the pv from tty2, and re-detecting the disks, it still finds the lvm !
[03:00] <nrdb> my upgrade to 12:04 has stopped mid-upgrade ... :( ... I think it lost the internet for an extended period.. is there anyway to get it going again? ... It is in the "install the upgrades" action.... I really need to get the install finished.
[03:00] <escott> kristenB, maybe. i don't know what is happening on A when B requests the port forwarding
[03:00] <L3top> gsr I do not believe your card is supported by the fglrx drivers in 1204. I know they are not supported in the new version... trying to discern what version is what and when they dropped support for yours specifically. Some of the hd 4k series are still supported, but I am pretty sure anything older than Rx800 is no longer supported in the recent ones.
[03:01] <gsr> L3top, but I upgraded to 12.04 a few months ago, only started with this problem today
[03:01] <Sparky_> ohai lol
[03:02] <gsr> can I go back to the previous version?
[03:02] <Sparky_> I installed Ubuntu :3
[03:02] <nrdb> can I reboot and start the upgrade again?
[03:02] <escott> kristenB, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8021/allow-user-to-set-up-an-ssh-tunnel-but-nothing-else
[03:03] <L3top> That does not change the fact. Even if they worked to a degree, it is only a matter of time until they break, and I am not sure that you have been using the fglrx driver at all, simply it has been present. I think what you ran into is the various conflicts that exist using the radeon driver when fglrx is present.
[03:03] <L3top> gsr^
[03:03] <escott> kristenB, it looks like all you need is this "permitopen" declaration in your authorized_keys
[03:03] <kristenB> with or without /bin/false?
[03:04] <gsr> tking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/883824 only bug I could find that looks related.
[03:04] <escott> kristenB, with. unless that doesn't work, but the command= is what is preventing them from getting shell on your machine. no-pty is also something you should add
[03:05] <kristenB> if I understand correctly, reverse ssh is just a particular case of a ssh tunnel ?
[03:05] <escott> kristenB, yes
[03:05] <L3top> gsr: I am not positive that is correct now. Let me continue to dig. I think it is only 12-5 and forward yours was dropped on.
[03:05] <kristenB> and what's a ssh tunnel then exactly ? :/
[03:06] <gsr> L3top, fglrx was definitely installed and working fine.  It was running 3D games, multiple screens and movies - i don't think that the free drivers are capable of that
[03:06] <ActionParsnip> kristenB: secures normally unsecure protocols
[03:06] <escott> kristenB, its a reverse ssh tunnel but reversed :)
[03:06] <L3top> they are... but again... still digging gsr
[03:06] <gsr> L3top, thanks, I will too - going to try to apt-get purge fglrx*, reboot, and try reinstalling.  Back in a few minutes!
[03:06] <L3top> performance varies quite a bit... but... I will figure it out gsr.
[03:06] <poooooki> found a workaround to leap second bug
[03:07] <kristenB> is it the ability, from B, to tell A to forward everything it gets to port p1 towards ip2/p2
[03:07] <escott> kristenB, what you are setting up configures things so that opening an outbound port on A:2000 takes you through a little network wormhole and you come out the other side on B:22
[03:08] <escott> kristenB, the reverse part is that you are setting all this up from B. normally you would configure your tunnel from A and start the connection A-> B instead of B-> A
[03:08] <kristenB> I see
[03:08] <escott> kristenB, your tunnel is going "upstream" on the ssh connection instead of "downstream"
[03:09] <tking> gsr thanks though u really tried
[03:09] <kristenB> and the general syntax of doing so would be with the command -L, right ?
[03:09] <escott> kristenB, yes
[03:10] <kristenB> that's all so fascinating :)
[03:10] <kristenB> ok let me try that permitopen thingy
[03:11] <escott> kristenB, i mis-spoke earlier: "opening an inbound port on A:2000 takes you through a little network wormhole and you come out the other side on B:22"
[03:11] <[dlp]> I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions. I have an interesting problem affecting audio playback (and video playback, too, where present). Sometimes playback will occur way too fast (as fast as the machine can decode, presumably); others, it'll pick sporradic moments to replay a fragment of, perhaps, 1/3 of a second 3 or 4 times in a loop before continuing as normal. CPU load remains about 95% idle throughout the underrun cycle; I haven't monitor
[03:11] <escott> kristenB, so A listens for connections on port 2000 and instead of dealing with them locally sends them on to B:22 but the come out of B as if they were from localhost
[03:11] <escott> kristenB, also dont get fired for this
[03:12] <kristenB> lol
[03:12] <leb> anyone know if ubuntu systems are affected by the ntp leap second bug?
[03:13] <akem> [dlp], what player?
[03:13] <[dlp]> akem: All of them.
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> leb: I've seen folks with SQL servers have high CPU immediately after 00:00
[03:13] <kristenB> so given our previous notations, it would be permitopen="B:22" right ?
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> leb: needing a reboot
[03:13] <[dlp]> akem: mplayer, vlc, flash (streaming vlf), audacious...
[03:13] <[dlp]> ogg123
[03:14] <leb> there seems to be a kernel crash associated with ntp trying to update the time
[03:14] <leb> http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today
[03:14] <buhman> while trying to do an apt-get update, I'm told: http://sprunge.us/AXTW
[03:14] <ActionParsnip> [dlp]: what output methods for video have you tried?
[03:14] <escott> kristenB, no it would be permitopen="localhost:2000"
[03:14] <buhman> I already have "APT::Cache-Limit "100000000";" in /etc/apt.conf
[03:14] <kristenB> escott: so given our previous notations, it would be permitopen="<IP_ADDRESS>:22" right ?
[03:14] <akem> [dlp], strange, try out with a live CD like knoppix see if you get the same problems, or Windows if you can.
[03:14] <poooooki> leb: yes
[03:14] <escott> kristenB, A is not allowing the port to be opened (based on that error message)
[03:15] <dell> hello
[03:15] <detaer> sup dell
[03:15] <detaer> are you a computer?
[03:15] <[dlp]> akem: Did you read all of my initial message?
[03:15] <dell> no i'm a person
[03:15] <escott> kristenB, in all seriousness though, a good corporate sysadmin would fire someone and then ask questions if they found out about a reverse ssh tunnel
[03:15] <dell> but i'm called my computer so
[03:16] <escott> kristenB, so be careful
[03:16] <akem> [dlp], no got only one from you in the buffer.
[03:16] <akem> sorry if i missed something then.
[03:17] <lapion> anyone been having any leapsecond issues ?
[03:17] <escott> lapion, yes
[03:17] <dell> this is the first time iḿ here people
[03:17] <kristenB> escott: thanks for the advice. I already had it setup long before though, it's just that I hadn't gone into the process of securing my own personal computer against anything else but that ssh reverse connection
[03:17] <sunshinehappy> dell, welcome
[03:17] <dell> thank you sunshine
[03:18] <dell> where goes this forum about?
[03:18] <escott> kristenB, i would feel bad if i spend a couple hours helping you out and next week you were asking for a job
[03:18] <[dlp]> akem: Sorry, I'm just being facetious. People in the forums were very dismissive to those who brought this up, so I sort of prepared myself for that.
[03:18] <sunshinehappy> dell, come to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[03:18] <[dlp]> ActionParsnip: Hang on, for Flash I don't know.
[03:18] <kristenB> escott: but it would be so much easier to find a new one with all that extra knowledge :D
[03:18] <dell> why sunshine?
[03:18] <lapion> escott, what issues do you have ?
[03:18] <escott> lapion, i havent had any. you asked if anyone has had issues, and others have
[03:19] <sunshinehappy> dell, #ubuntu is for questions & answers, #ubuntu-offtopic can talk abot anything
[03:19] <dell> oke
[03:19] <dell> en where i can found it?
[03:19] <[dlp]> ActionParsnip: For mplayer... it's using vdpau
[03:19] <lapion> maybe mythtv might be hacing some issues.. seeing as my backend has been running at load avg of 20
[03:19] <kitties> dell: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:20] <kristenB> escott: I have added permitopen localhost 2000 but it still says port can't be opened
[03:20] <[dlp]> ActionParsnip: Flash will be using whatever it uses (?).
[03:20] <Portaltech> Hi I have a newbie question I know has been answered again and again, it just seems like there's always some doubt left in my mind....here goes: I know it's hard to catch a virus especially in the wild but how about keyloggers on linux....(preferably Ubuntu?)
[03:21] <kristenB> escott: and the warning message is still the same if I remove the /bin/false part
[03:21] <escott> kristenB, if you were using controlmaster then on B if you run ps aux | grep ssh you should see an sshd process of yours. kill it. its using the old ssh configuration details, and therefore the old auth keys
[03:21] <wolfgang_> Hello i was on earlier asking about mupen64plus i got it how do i run it?
[03:22] <wolfgang_> I got it through sudo apt-get
[03:22] <kristenB> escott: that's probably because it's already in use, actually, since I'm connected to B with that solution
[03:22] <escott> kristenB, yes. that would prevent you from opening the port. try 2001
[03:23] <wolfgang_> How do i run mupen64plus? i did it with terminal but it doesn't run the rom files
[03:23] <escott> Portaltech, yes there are keyloggers. what is your question exactly?
[03:23] <xDD> Howdy - how does one go about configuring which ports are open (Using 12.04)?
[03:23] <[dlp]> ActionParsnip: Frankly, I don't think the video output mechanism is relevant: it affects audio-only playback as well. Though the video does freeze when the audio skips. I'm not sure what happens in the overrun case. I think the video runs fast as well. But I can't reproduce it at the moment. I suspect a reboot would allow me to do so.
[03:23] <sacarlson> Portaltech: as all the software you should install is opensource there are many eyes that see the code and would notice a keyloger in it
[03:24] <wolfgang_> XDD, What router do you have?
[03:24] <Portaltech> well I'm just a little worried when visiting websites
[03:24] <[dlp]> ActionParsnip: And, tbh, if a reboot does help me to reproduce the problem I'll be /really/ fucking confused.
[03:24] <sacarlson> Portaltech: with opensource we don't have to guess what an app does it's all seen in the code before it ever runs
[03:24] <wolfgang_> XDD, you should go to your default gateway in your browser
[03:24] <bazhang> [dlp], no cursing here
[03:25] <xDD> wolfgang_: One of the wrt*s, but right now I'm on the local network - Is there a builtin firewall of sorts in Ubuntu?
[03:25] <wolfgang_> XDD, yes
[03:25] <[dlp]> Sorry.
[03:25] <escott> Portaltech, modern websites and browsers open a pandora's box of problems that don't really extend beyond the browser. i would be more concerned about a local scripting attack on firefox that tries to steal control of another tab in your browser than anything else
[03:25] <wolfgang_> XDD, Did you configure your router in the internet browser?
[03:26] <ActionParsnip> [dlp]: worth a shot
[03:26] <ActionParsnip> !firewall | xDD
[03:26] <[dlp]> ActionParsnip: Indeed.
[03:26] <xDD> wolfgang_: Yep, a while ago, though. This is a fresh install (it was working before)
[03:26] <Portaltech> escott....so what a newbie like me should make sure I do with a fresh install of ubuntu?
[03:26] <wolfgang_> XDD, In terminal do "sudo ufw allow (port #)
[03:27] <wolfgang_> XDD, that should do it
[03:27] <kristenB> escott: omg it works lol.
[03:27] <escott> Portaltech, if you are browsing questionable sites do so in a browser that is NOT the browser you use for your online banking, do so in privacy mode etc...
[03:27] <xDD> wolfgang_, ActionParsnip: I'll check out ufw. Thanks!
[03:27] <wolfgang_> XDD, Np
[03:27] <escott> Portaltech, disable webgl. disable flash if you can
[03:28] <Portaltech> escott: Well on ubuntu I only have Firefox
[03:29] <r00t__> Hey guys...does anyone know if I add the backtrack repositories to ubuntu if the tools wont work? I have heard arguments for both no and yes...but no clear answers
[03:29] <escott> Portaltech, there are others you can install. chromium, chrome, epiphany, konquerer etc
[03:29] <[dlp]> Ok, given the problem is now gone at uptime = 23:32, I'm gonna see if it really is relevant: rebooting. brb
[03:29] <escott> !backtrack | r00t__
[03:29] <Portaltech> I tried looking for Chrome but it's not in the software center only chromium
[03:29] <r00t__> escott: I am not asking for backtrack support...just seeing if adding their repositories is worth it or not...
[03:29] <sacarlson> Portaltech: on firefox you can change profiles that can have different security settings or you can run anaother browser like chromeium as another method to see sites
[03:30] <escott> r00t__, i think there's a factoid for that.... lets see
[03:30] <escott> !backtrack | r00t__
[03:30] <ActionParsnip> Portaltech: you can grab the deb for chrome and install it, it will also add the google ppa :)
[03:30] <wylde> r00t__: if you want backtrack, use backtrak. Don't mix repos
[03:30] <wolfgang_> I got a N64 emulator called mupen64plus and can't get it to run roms, how would i do that?
[03:30] <Portaltech> Action where is the deb for chrome?
[03:30] <xDD> wolfgang_, ActionParsnip: Hmm... According to the gufw gui, the firewall isn't currently on...
[03:30] <r00t__> wylde: I am just wanting some software from them...jesus you guys are defensive xD
[03:30] <escott> Portaltech, there is a ppa from google
[03:30] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: is there a config inthe app to point to the folder holding ROMs?
[03:30] <r0tha> wolfgang_: did you rean the man page
[03:30] <wolfgang_> XDD, Do sudo ufw enable
[03:31] <gsr> L3top, no joy, purge/reinstall now has Additional Drivers listing the Fglrx driver (non post-upgrade) as active - however, its still showing all the signs of being on the non-proprietary driver.
[03:31] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip, no
[03:31] <wolfgang_> r0tha, Didn't see one
[03:31] <r0tha> naw man
[03:31] <r0tha> type
[03:31] <wylde> r00t__: their packages will very likely break your system. If you want that software and it isn't in ubuntu repos you're better off compiling from source.
[03:31] <r0tha> man programname ans ee if there's one
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: under configure -> rom browser
[03:32] <xDD> wolfgang_: At least right now, I'm trying to figure out why I can't ssh when I change the port (though I'll probably turn that on once this is worked out).
[03:32] <escott> Portaltech, the thing to keep in mind is that the chances of someone using a firefox 0-day to deliver exploits for ubuntu 12.04 is really low. they will use that 0-day to hit Win7. but they could use a 0-day to try and steal facebook login information, or do some weird in browser controls of other tabs
[03:32] <r00t__> wylde: oh i see
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: I just pulled up a screenshot?
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: http://offenerdesktop.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/spiele-mupen64plus-001.png
[03:32] <L3top> still working on it... one min gsr
[03:32] <Portaltech> escott thanks for the info
[03:33] <sacarlson> xDD: you change the port on ssh and can't get in from wan (out site internet)?
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: is it not there any more?
[03:33] <wolfgang_> XDD, Don't know enough to help you further to turn on firewall in terminal type "sudo ufw enable" and to enable a port i told you sorry.
[03:33] <escott> Portaltech, so keep your questionable websites constrained to a browser profile you dont have to trust
[03:33] <Portaltech> sacarlson thanks also
[03:33] <xDD> sacarlson: Actually, from internal
[03:33] <kristenB> escott: so if I resume all the steps: ssh-keygen, then change name to untrusted, then no password, then cat id_rsa_untrusted.pub >> authorized_keys, then chmod 600 authorized_keys, then scp id_rsa_untrusted to B, then change authorized_keys to command="/bin/false',permitopen="localhost:2000",from="Bip",no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding ; and then from B, ssh -R. Am I forgetting something ?
[03:33] <Portaltech> action I just installed thank you
[03:33] <sacarlson> xDD: maybe after you changed the port you didn't restart ssh-server ?
[03:33] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, the only way i could figure out to run it was from terminal so nothing like that.
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: there should be a GUI to my knowledge, not used muppen in ages
[03:34] <xDD> sacarlson: Don't think that's it - I changed it back to 22 and restarted in the same way and it began working again.
[03:34] <escott> kristenB, well you want to change the options in the Authkey before you give the remote host the key, but yes, thats the full process
[03:34] <nrdb> my upgrade to 12:04 has stopped mid-upgrade ... :( ... I think it lost the internet for an extended period.. is there anyway to get it going again? ... It is in the "install the upgrades" action.... I really need to get the install finished.
[03:35] <sacarlson> xDD: so you verified it listening with sudo netstat -pant ;  after you changed it?
[03:35] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip, i got it from the terminal by typing "sudo apt-get install mupen64plus"
[03:35] <wylde> r00t__: if you wanted to have backtrack on hand, you can actually keep the iso on the / or /boot partition and boot it from grub2
[03:35] <escott> kristenB, also... thanks. that was a fun one to work through
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: if you run: mupen64plus    does it run?
[03:35] <kristenB> escott: thank you very much to you sir
[03:35] <xDD> sacarlson: I did not! That sounds like the advice I'm looking for :). I'll report back.
[03:35] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip how do i take a screenshot?
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: stop the upgrade then run the !aptfix factoid commands
[03:36] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: press PrintScrn just like in Windows.....
[03:36] <kristenB> escott: may I ask another question ? :)
[03:36] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, ok where do i paste it?
[03:36] <escott> kristenB, sure
[03:36] <xDD> sacarlson: I see a tcp LISTEN sshd at <IP_ADDRESS>:myport
[03:37] <kristenB> escott: so now that this connection is set up, I would like to access C (which can only be accessed through B) from A, in order to do a rsync. How could I do that ?
[03:37] <wolfgang_> Where do i paste a screen shot?
[03:37] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, I don't understand ... what are those?
[03:37] <Novasun> im running liveusb there is an install linux icon that keeps coming up I go into config editor >apps>nautilus>desktop but the ability to make the icon hidden is not listed
[03:37] <L3top> !pastebin | wolfgang, there is a link in this factoid
[03:38] <escott> kristenB, in A's ~/.ssh/config file you can setup a Host C section which references the tunnel you have to B
[03:38] <[dlp]> Well... I'm not sure the reboot had an effect. I have just seen the skipping issue. Not happening a much as I expected, though.
[03:38] <kristenB> it's an equivalent of the -W option, right ?
[03:38] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | nrdb
[03:38] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: use imgur or imageshack or somthing similar
[03:39] <escott> kristenB, http://blogs.perl.org/users/smylers/2011/08/ssh-productivity-tips.html scroll down to the onward connections bit
[03:39] <escott> kristenB, rather the jumping through servers bit
[03:40] <escott> kristenB, with the ProxyCommand bit. I'd love to help set that up, but its time for bed
[03:40] <kristenB> escott: okay :)
[03:40] <kristenB> escott: well thank you very much for your help.
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: obviously close the upgrade app first :)
[03:40] <[dlp]> It's happening quite a bit now.
[03:41] <adsfdsafd> iep
[03:41] <Sithregal> So, I am a computer science major, yet I have next to no unix/linux experience. I am going to try and set up an Ubuntu VM for tinkering. Any general advice?
[03:42] <[dlp]> Doesn't seem to happen when the machine's under load, either.
[03:42] <[dlp]> Really bizarre.
[03:42] <L3top> gsr: this is particularly annoying. I can find NOTHING which explains which ati driver version (ie 12-4) the ubuntu package (ie 2:8.960) implies. apt-cache show fglrx  doesn't even explain... very annoying.
[03:43] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, http://nuclearmuffin88.imgur.com/all/
[03:43] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, thats what it's like for me.
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: you need to make the image publicly available
[03:44] <[dlp]> Oh, this is ridiculous.
[03:44] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, how?
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: use imageshack
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: bit easier
[03:44] <jiohdi> Sithregal,  a live cd/dvd may give more of an actual feel than a vm
[03:45] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, file:///home/wolfgang/Pictures/mupen%20thing.png
[03:45] <[dlp]> Ok, I'm going to write a "stress program".
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: that will only work if I have local acces to your system
[03:45] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, How do i make public?
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: http://imageshack.us/
[03:46] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, i did that
[03:46] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, file:///home/wolfgang/Pictures/mupen%20thing.png
[03:47] <jiohdi> wolfbyte, file = on your computer, imageshack.us should give you an http: share
[03:47] <RAITAR> How to do this grep 'EE\|WW' /var/log/Xorg.0.log,Thank you.I'm a trainee
[03:47] <wolfgang_> actioparsnip, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/404/mupenthing.png/
[03:48] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, That's it
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: if you give it a ROM, dos it run?
[03:50] <jiohdi> RAITAR, if you type that into a terminal command line and nothing comes up, either what you are searching for does not exist or the log files does not exist
[03:50] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, How would i go about doing that?
[03:50] <cloocky> Hey everyone...I installed teamviewer7 but now I cant figure out how to uninstall it...wat do?
[03:51] <Mandalord> cloocky: how do you install it
[03:51] <wolfgang_> cloocky, sudo apt-get remove teamviewer7
[03:51] <RAITAR> maybe
[03:51] <cloocky> mandalord: I downloaded a .deb file from their website and use the software center to install it.
[03:51] <Mandalord> uhm
[03:51] <wolfgang_> cloocky, or go to software center and find it then click remove
[03:51] <cloocky> wolfgang_: it only gives a "reinstall" option
[03:52] <wolfgang_> cloocky, I don't know then
[03:52] <wolfgang_> cloocky, sorry
[03:52] <cloocky> wait...apt-get remove is working...thanks!
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: treat it like any other CLI comman d
[03:52] <wolfgang_> cloocky, yor welcome
[03:52] <Novasun> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?49393-Hiding-the-Ubiquity%28Install%29-icon-on-liveusb-persitent  forget it I have found how to hide the liveusb install icon annoyance
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: mupen64plus /path/to/filename
[03:52] <Mandalord> cloocky: or run this command and tell me the result "dpkg --get-selections | grep teamviewer"
[03:52] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip ok hold on
[03:53] <kristenB> Can someone pick up from where escott left regarding helping me with my ssh issues ?
[03:53] <[dlp]> Well... I've put the system under a high CPU load. Audio playback unaffected.
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> Novasun: what, just delete it...
[03:53] <[dlp]> Except for the odd instance where it does skip (which happens regardless of whether the system is loaded or not)./
[03:53] <Novasun> everytime I reboot it comes back
[03:54] <Novasun> brb
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> Novasun: do you have persistence setup?
[03:55] <Novasun> nope
[03:55] <phunyguy> Novasun, you ever been on Kali?
[03:55] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068805/
[03:55] <phunyguy> Novasun: nickname is familliar
[03:56] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, that is the outcome
[03:56] <Novasun> nope just randomly chosen due to hobby
[03:56] <phunyguy> ahh,  carry on then. :)
[03:56] <Mandalord> wolfgang_ try extract the rom and run the rom inside .zip file
[03:57] <wolfgang_> Mandalord, ok hold on ill try that
[03:59] <wolfgang_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068808/
[03:59] <wolfgang_> mandalord, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068808/
[04:00] <wolfgang_> mandalord, didn't work
[04:01] <wolfgang_> mandalord, actionparsnip, what do i do?
[04:03] <user01> is there anyway to make wget try again if it gets a message other than 200 OK?  like every so often it gets a 500 error and doing it a 2nd time succeeds for me
[04:03] <phunyguy> user01, could write a script, grep the output, and loop if failed.
[04:04] <cgh> connect
[04:04] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, mandalord: what do i do?
[04:04] <user01> i would think wget would just have an option for it though
[04:04] <phunyguy> doubt it.
[04:05] <phunyguy> OK user01.. a simple manpage lookup
[04:05] <phunyguy> -t,  --tries=NUMBER            set number of retries to NUMBER (0 unlimits).
[04:06] <Mandalord> wolfgang_: not sure what happen, can you "ls /home/wolfgang/Downloads/Zelda-O.zip/"
[04:06] <wolfgang_> mandalord, says not a directory? but it's there?
[04:07] <wolfgang_> D:
[04:07] <Mandalord> wolfgang_: oh, did you extract the .zip file
[04:08] <Mandalord> extract it into a folder
[04:08] <wolfgang_> Mandalord, No
[04:08] <wolfgang_> mandalord, you mean move?
[04:08] <kristenB> wolfgang_: no I think he means unzip [tab]
[04:08] <wolfgang_> ok
[04:09] <Mandalord> wolfgang_: no, i mean EXTRACT, its a .zip file, you should extract it
[04:09] <wolfgang_> ok i did now try?
[04:10] <Mandalord> did you extract it? unzip it?
[04:12] <wolfgang_> Got it running thank you how do i change the controls?
[04:12] <wolfgang_> Mandlord, how do i change the controls now its running?
[04:13] <Zylek> quick random question: my computer says "processor 100% in use" how do i check to find out specifically what is using it all up?
[04:13] <andrewaclt> top
[04:13] <Mandalord> wolfgang_: it is running? I dont know how to change controls. You should read manpage
[04:13] <phunyguy> Zylek: top, htop, system monitor
[04:13] <Zylek> ty
[04:14] <wolfgang_> mandalord, I cant find help on man page
[04:14] <user01> phunyguy, the man pages doesnt specify what  it means as successful
[04:14] <user01> phunyguy,  hopefully only 200 responses
[04:14] <phunyguy> I would think so as well
[04:15] <user01> phunyguy, well ill know in about 15 minutes
[04:15] <Zylek> grrrr
[04:15] <Zylek> it is npviewer.bin
[04:15] <Zylek> what the heck is that
[04:15] <OerHeks> wolfgang_, then maybe you can't change controls
[04:15] <Zylek> it's hoggin' up the computer
[04:15] <wolfgang_> Oerheks, ok
[04:16] <kristenB> If i had add up all the processes displayed memory usage of 'ps aux', I don't get the sum displayed in free -m > memory used. Why is that ?
[04:16] <wolfgang_> mandalord,actionparsnip: thank you for your time bye i got it from here
[04:16] <SadlyMistaken> hello there, i just plugged a hard disk, and i can't write in it.. it say i don't have permissions. In terminal I just wrote 'sudo chmod 777 -R' to the harddisk and it doesn't work, what can i do?
[04:17] <Zylek> can i just force kill all of the npviewer.bin files?
[04:17] <Zylek> or will that make my computer explode? haha
[04:17] <kristenB> If i add up all the memory usage of 'ps aux', I don't get the same number as free > memory used. Why is that ?
[04:19] <Zylek> OMG
[04:19] <Zylek> my computer is back to normal
[04:19] <Zylek> the cursed npviewer.bin
[04:19] <Zylek> is a curse
[04:24] <witeshark> quick 12.04 question; what's preferred for GUI cleaning? Ubuntu tweak or synaptic?
[04:25] <[dlp]> Right... just experienced the "playback too fast" issue. There /is/ a slight increase in CPU usage (~10%), mostly to kmix, pulseaudio and chrome (which is the source, using Flash).
[04:25] <[dlp]> Killed KMix part way throguh.
[04:26] <[dlp]> Nothing really changed. pulseaudio became top consumer
[04:26] <[dlp]> And now it's playing ok again :/
[04:27] <[dlp]> The media player flash app complained of insufficient bandwidth a couple of times, too. lol
[04:27] <[dlp]> Insufficient bandwidth to play into the future :D
[04:28] <[dlp]> I'm just gonna have to let the system run and see if uptime really is relevant.
[04:29] <[dlp]> *VERY* strange.
[04:30] <PlowRox> anybody know how to get the speaker  icon back to the task bar?
[04:35] <gsr> L3top, tried installing the drivers from the official ati site, still no joy.  im thinking your original idea might be on the money
[04:37] <L3top> Ubuntu developers explained as well that I am looking for the information on the wrong side of the fence. AMD only advertizes their catalyst version (12-4), and the actual fglrx version is what is indicated in the repo. Getting documentation from AMD is not... intuitive. Thier "release notes" are step by step installation instructions. Do you currently have their version installed?
[04:37] <PlowRox> ati sux
[04:37] <L3top> gsr^
[04:37] <kristenB> Does anybody know why the sum of all the processes memory usage in 'ps aux' and the sum displayed in htop    is different from 'free' > memory used ?
[04:38] <PlowRox> i have an $800 video card that worthless in linux thanks to ati and they heads up they ass holes attitude
[04:38] <L3top> kristenB: because some onboard devices cache memory not held in process?
[04:39] <kristenB> L3top: would that account for a few GB difference ?
[04:39] <PlowRox> try ps ax
[04:39] <L3top> GB? I would say no kristenB.
[04:39] <kristenB> L3top: then what could account for that
[04:40]  * L3top was just taking a stab at that... any further conjecture has a much slimmer chance at being correct.
[04:41] <Wingede> kristenB, onboard devices will take up memory, the poorer the design the more memory they generally take and you will loose within your os.  But if the sum is gb's that doesn't sound quite right.
[04:41] <L3top> gsr do you have the driver from teh ATI site installed currently? Because I would appreciate it if you would run a couple of quick queries to determine what version fglrx it is... and you should  try lsmod | grep fglrx
[04:41] <kristenB> Wingede:      ps aux | awk '{s+=$4} END {print s}'     = 18
[04:41] <PlowRox> as long as the box runs.. i dont worry about totals of ram... thats like worring about the bits your mouse drops while scrolling
[04:42] <L3top> Could be a security issue PlowRox... in theory.
[04:42] <L3top> Worth figuring out
[04:42] <PlowRox> un plug it
[04:42] <gsr> L3top, uninstalled it :(.  I'd do it again, but its bed time for me :(.
[04:43] <PlowRox> if the program is malisious it will go postal trying to get online
[04:43] <L3top> No worries. i will work it out... night gsr
[04:43] <gsr> L3top,  Thanks for looking into it though.  ill be back on here tomorrow if your around.
[04:43] <L3top> PlowRox: That simply is not accurate.
[04:43] <PlowRox> then dont worry about it
[04:43] <PlowRox> :)
[04:43] <L3top> That is also inaccurate.
[04:43] <PlowRox> sigh
[04:44] <kristenB> so from ps's point of view, 18% of memory or so is used. Yet with free, it shows almost 100% is used
[04:44] <L3top> brb.
[04:44] <Vodric> how can I run an exe as another user from terminal?
[04:44] <PlowRox> google it.. unless the cpu is prcessing in that area of missing ram..its not used
[04:45] <PlowRox> could just be garbage collection +/-
[04:46] <PlowRox> i just want my speaker icon back... so i can turn on and off my sound
[04:46] <PlowRox> and no u cant enable it from settings
[04:46] <PlowRox> ...
[04:51] <mah454> Hello
[04:51] <mah454> I need change default gnome-shell theme and icon theme for all users , How can do this ?
[04:51] <mah454> All new users
[04:54] <[dlp]> Well, changing clocksource did not help.
[04:54] <[dlp]> Didn't really expect it to, tbh.
[04:55] <[dlp]> Hmm.
[04:59] <user01> phunyguy, nope i got 5 server errors with -t=0
[04:59] <user01> phunyguy, and it didnt matter
[05:00] <phunyguy> nice.
[05:00] <user01> 5/5000
[05:00] <user01> but for error 500 on 5 it didnt show
[05:00] <user01> or it didnt retry indefinitely
[05:01] <phunyguy> sounds like a bug
[05:03] <Grant_P> Hey anyone notice kernel 3.2.0-26-generic breaks sound while watching video's. The sound skips every minute or so, rolled back the kernel to 3.2.0-25-generic and it's all good.
[05:04] <ActionParsnip> Grant_P: tried:  killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*   wait 10 seconds and reboot
[05:04] <Grant_P> ActionParsnip: Can you tell me what that does exactly?
[05:07] <ActionParsnip> Grant_P: it stops teh pulse process then deletes the config, the 10 second wait allows the process to restart which wil then regenerate the folder and file to default the settings
[05:07] <aeon-ltd> Grant_P: in short, a 'reset'
[05:08] <ActionParsnip> Grant_P: the reboot is just for good measure
[05:08] <ActionParsnip> Grant_P: great first step for sound issues
[05:09] <Grant_P> ActionParsnip: aeon-ltd: will try, thanks.
[05:11] <dcdog> I am trying to install ubuntu on a powerbook g4 but I need a bit of help
[05:11] <dcdog> anyone here done that type of thing ?
[05:12] <mah454> I need change default gnome-shell theme and icon theme for all users , How can do this ?
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: there is a PPC ISO of Precise you can use
[05:12] <dcdog> i've already got the CD burnt and I am in the install part now
[05:12] <dcdog> the part I am having problems with is the partitioning
[05:13] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: are you setting up a dual boot?
[05:13] <dcdog> no, I am just trying to set it up on an external drive
[05:13] <dcdog> single boot
[05:13] <ActionParsnip> not done that myself, is the drive detectable in the setup as a drive you can setup?
[05:14] <dcdog> yes, it seems to register ok
[05:14] <dcdog> right now I am at the window which says "Installation type"
[05:14] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: I'd choose the 'Somethig else' option
[05:15] <dcdog> yes, that is what I did, I am now at the window where I can see the partitions
[05:15] <Richard_Cavell> Am I right in thinking that 10.04 uses GNOME 2 and will do until 2015?
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: ok then you will need to least 2 partitions. 1 for / and one for swap, how much RAM does the system have?
[05:16] <dcdog> 2 gigs of ram
[05:16] <dcdog> how much space do I need to allow for swap ?
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> Richard_Cavell: Lucid desktop is EOL in April next year
[05:17] <Vodric> I am trying to set myself as owner of a folder using chown -R root /folder. it says operation not permitted. I cannot copy files to this folder, etc. Any help please? I also tried chown -R root:root /folder
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: then set swap as 2.2Gb and the rest as / formatted Ext4
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> Vodric: is the partition mounted writable?
[05:17] <Richard_Cavell> ActionParsnip: well let me rephrase the question.  I want a non-bloated Linux distro that runs GNOME 2 to run in vbox.
[05:17] <Vodric> as far as I know? I created the folder
[05:17] <dcdog> ok, let me do that
[05:17] <Richard_Cavell> that is still supported, but doesn't have to be bleeding edge
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> Richard_Cavell: Xubuntu or lubuntu are nice and lean
[05:17] <Vodric> with mkdir
[05:17] <Richard_Cavell> ActionParsnip: I said GNOME 2
[05:18] <Vodric> and I downloaded things to it
[05:18] <dcdog> hold on a sec while I do what you told me to do
[05:18] <wolfgang_> My screen is really zoomed in!
[05:18] <wolfgang_> what do i do?
[05:18] <Vodric> I seem to have access in terminal, but not in gui?
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> Vodric: thats irrelevant, if the partition is mounted read only, not even root can write to it (afaik)
[05:18] <wolfgang_> its all really big
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: was it ok a little while ago?
[05:18] <OerHeks> Richard_Cavell, gnome2 is EOL.
[05:18] <Vodric> Yes it is, I have tested just now. I can do anything in terminal, but in gui im getting errors?
[05:19] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip, it did this after i closed out of mupen64plus
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> Richard_Cavell: gnome2 is dead, you could use mint which isn't supported here which uses Mate which is a fork of gnome2
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: what video chip do you use?
[05:19] <Richard_Cavell> ActionParsnip: I'm in denial about GNOME 2 being dead.
[05:19] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip, What do you mean?
[05:20] <kristenB> can someone help me with ssh please ?
[05:20] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: the chip on your video card, what is it? ATi? nvidia? intel?
[05:20] <ActionParsnip> Richard_Cavell: go ask in #gnome and you'll see
[05:21] <dksaini> hi  gm
[05:21] <dcdog> ok, I got those partitions set up, I am going to press the button which say install
[05:21] <ActionParsnip> Richard_Cavell: there are forks but they aren't supported here, xfce looks a lot like Gnome2
[05:21] <wolfgang_> actionparsnip, could not see all of word nividia not sure
[05:21] <dcdog> I have highlighed he main one as root, is that ok ?
[05:21] <babalabon> I used to be a hardcore ubuntu user years ago, I've forgotten everything, where is the settings and options for firefox??
[05:21] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: ok as long as you set the right disk up and have a / partition and swap, it will install to the usb
[05:21] <dksaini> how  i can use koha
[05:21] <babalabon> I dont even remember how to install things
[05:22] <dcdog> ok, here goes
[05:22] <babalabon> Where is my terminal??
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> babalabon: use software centre to install stuff
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> babalabon: in dash, or press CTRLA+LT+T
[05:22] <wolfgang_> babalabon, ctr+alt+t
[05:22] <dcdog> shit, it says No Newworld boot partition was found
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> dcdog: the highlight is irrelevant, the installer will see the mount points you set
[05:23] <nanai> hey threre'
[05:23] <OerHeks> babalabon, focus to firefox, then the top panel will show file-edit-etc
[05:23] <nanai> fuck u all assoles
[05:23] <wolfgang_> nanai, chill out
[05:23] <Richard_Cavell> ActionParsnip: good idea, I'll ask in #gnome
[05:24] <dcdog> its saying the yaboot loader requires an Apple_bootstrap partition of at least 819k in size
[05:24] <OerHeks> nanai, please /join ##english to learn writing.
[05:24] <nanai> hey wolfgang
[05:24] <wolfgang_> nanai, Why you so pissy?
[05:24] <nanai> i m new to bt
[05:24] <nanai> i need some help
[05:24] <wolfgang_> nanai, what?
[05:24] <nanai> i m sorry for that
[05:24] <Novasun> most guides for these issues would be more effective if people added pictures to explain how to fix a problem rather then text or a video of it
[05:24] <OerHeks> !backtrack | nanai
[05:24] <wolfgang_> nanai, hold on i have to restart my comp be right back
[05:25] <nanai> fuck it
[05:25] <nanai> :(
[05:26] <nanai> hey alFReD-NSH
[05:26] <kwtm2> !mint
[05:26] <wolfgang_> nani what was your prob?
[05:27] <wolfgang_> nanai, what was the prob?
[05:27] <nanai> was ??
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> Novasun: the problems can be vast and wide, so not really practical
[05:27] <wolfgang_> nanai, You fixed?
[05:27] <nanai> nothing jus joined here
[05:27] <wolfgang_> nanai, oh ok
[05:27] <Novasun> well adding video + image helps the learning curb is all im saying
[05:27] <nanai> so wss up
[05:27] <kwtm2> hmm... mint channel info from ubottu not accurate; I'm one of 2 people there ...
[05:27] <dksaini> how i can ILS using koha
[05:27] <wolfgang_> nanai, what was your question?
[05:28] <OerHeks> joining irc as root is a bad idea, nanai
[05:28] <nanai> how can i use bt to learn about security
[05:28] <nanai> ?
[05:28] <wolfgang_> nanai click my name
[05:28] <nanai> do i need any coding skills
[05:28] <nanai> ?
[05:28] <wolfgang_> nanai, in top left it should be red
[05:28] <ActionParsnip> nanai: i'd use ubuntu first and learn the OS you are using
[05:28] <ActionParsnip> nanai: just using backtrack won't teach you anything about security
[05:29] <alkisg> Does Ubuntu ever run `apt-get clean` by itself or from some GUI, or do I have to run it manually from the console periodically?
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> nanai: you also need to read about networking and how network stuff works
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: you can run:  sudo apt-get autoclean     and debs will not be retained between installs
[05:30] <ActionParsnip> nanai: I suggest you ask stuff in #backtrack-linux  where your distro is supported
[05:30] <alkisg> ActionParsnip: so users that don't user the command line and use an LTS version of Ubuntu, might end up with e.g. 10 Gb on /var/apt/cache/archives, right?
[05:30] <alkisg> *use
[05:31] <dcdog> parsnip, I set up the newworld partition but it still doesn't want to install
[05:31] <Nicekiwi_> interesting.. I set FlightGear to locate my aircraft to my local Airport (on the list) and it dumped me in the ocean :P
[05:32] <dcdog> the installer said there were conflicting files and could not continue
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: its nothing to do with LTS and non-LTS
[05:32] <dcdog> now I am back at the Installation type window
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: its a setting for apt-get
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: you can run:  sudo apt-get clean    and clean the apt cache
[05:33] <sunshinehappy> vidalia can't connect to the debian-tor instance of tor that's launched by init, if I kill it vidalia can launch its own tor and work fine: How can I get it so I don't have to kill the debian-tor tor after starting up?
[05:33] <alkisg> ActionParsnip: LTS == people keep it for many years, because you said that the cache is not retained between installs
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: you get the same with Windows, look in %WINDIR% and show hidden files, look at the folders starting with a dollar sign
[05:34] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: if you run: sudo apt-get autoclean THEN it won't be retained
[05:34] <alkisg> ActionParsnip: I'm just looking to see if there's a GUI way to do apt-get clean, otherwise I'll put a menu in my teacher-supporting app
[05:34] <alkisg> (that runs apt-get clean fro them)
[05:34] <alkisg> (or autoclean, or autoremove, etc)
[05:34] <ActionParsnip> alkisg: not sure, I've not used GUI for package stuff in years, takes too long to do anything
[05:34] <alkisg> Me too :)
[05:35] <jnb> how do I install an autorun file within my documents with root privledges
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> jnb: what is an autorun file?
[05:36] <jnb> printer softwre
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> jnb: is tis a windows file by any chance?
[05:36] <jnb> software
[05:36] <jnb> no
[05:36] <jnb> It a standard linux file containing multiple drivers
[05:36] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip, I got mupen64plus running do you have any idea how to change controls? it says on web site that you do it in config file but i can't find the part where you change the controls? would i add it in?
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> jnb: what is the filename please?
[05:37] <ActionParsnip> wolfgang_: like I said earlier...I haven't used it in years
[05:37] <wolfgang_> Actionparsnip, ok.
[05:37] <jnb> Unified Linux Driver
[05:37] <jnb>  from Samsung
[05:37] <jnb> I log in with sudo -i
[05:37] <jnb> however that is only good for the terminal windo
[05:37] <jnb> window
[05:38] <jnb> I need root privileges outside the terminal window
[05:38] <jnb> the drivers with in Ubuntu work work
[05:39] <ActionParsnip> jnb: you do know there is a repo for those drivers....
[05:39] <jnb> no I dont know
[05:40] <jnb> this is for a samsung ml-2160 wireless printer
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> jnb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341621
[05:40] <jnb> I am installing the printer via the network
[05:40] <diverdude> How of is contents of /tmp deleted?
[05:40] <dcdog> parsnip, I think I might have to start over again
[05:40] <Novasun> they delete auto on reset
[05:42] <diverdude> How often is contents of /tmp deleted?
[05:42] <jnb> how could i execute the install with root privileges
[05:42] <MissVera> diverdude, i thought it was everytime you rebooted?
[05:43] <dcdog> what kind of format should the swap area and the apple bootload area ?
[05:43] <ActionParsnip> jnb: add the priner and install the samsungmfp-driver, samsungmfp-data and samsungmfp-scanner packages
[05:43] <ActionParsnip> jnb: run it with sudo
[05:45] <jnb> @thank Action, however I would like to click on the file in my download folder and install. I am a newbie how do I go about accomplising the follow.  Basically install an file with root privileges.
[05:45] <MissVera> Does ext4 work for Xubuntu?
[05:46] <littlebearspa> I've used ubuntu since the beginning - now with 12.04LTS it won't work - says internal error and screen goes blank - video card is nvidia 6150 le.  any thoughts?
[05:47] <ActionParsnip> jnb: is it a single file only?
[05:47] <ChogyDan> littlebearspa: have you looked at the Xorg.0.log file?
[05:47] <ChogyDan> MissVera: I think ext4 works for any Ubuntu
[05:48] <littlebearspa> ChogyDan: no - what would I look for?
[05:48] <Novasun> littlelebear is it x64 or x82?
[05:48] <ChogyDan> littlebearspa: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log   look for errors
[05:48] <littlebearspa> Novasun: 32
[05:48] <MissVera> ChogyDan: I'mjust having to use Gparted, and I've done this...Once before. Trying to remember things :x
[05:49] <jnb> @ yes Action a single file only sorry it took me so long to reply stepped away
[05:49] <Novasun> http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/41580
[05:49] <Novasun> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/295.20/README/index.html
[05:49] <ActionParsnip> jnb: its a simple command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068889/
[05:49] <littlebearspa> Novasun: and ChogyDan: thanks!
[05:49] <MissVera> I cant seem to format one of the partitions though :/
[05:49] <ActionParsnip> jnb: try those 3 commands
[05:50] <Novasun> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[05:50] <Novasun> then   type sudo apt-get update
[05:50] <Novasun> then type sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[05:50] <ActionParsnip> !who | Novasun
[05:50] <jnb> thanks action
[05:50] <ActionParsnip> jnb: that's all that site says...
[05:50] <jnb> however in the near future
[05:51] <jnb> is there a sudo command I can run to activate the autoinsatller
[05:51] <MissVera> Does anyone know what would cause GParted to not allow you to delete or format a partition?
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> jnb: what is the name of the file and where is it located?
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> jnb: case very sensitive
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> jnb: if you must do it the hard way, I can play
[05:52] <jnb> home/download/unified linux driver
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> jnb: do you mean /home/yourusername/Download/unified linux driver
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> jnb: is the file literally caled 'unified linux driver'
[05:52] <jnb> yes
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> jnb: same case, and with the spaces?
[05:53] <jnb> yes
[05:53] <erica647> Anyone been able to get the battery indicator working in the top bar on Ubuntu 12.04?
[05:53] <jnb> sorry no spaces
[05:53] <ActionParsnip> jnb: ok once more
[05:53] <ActionParsnip> jnb: what is the name of the file and where is it located?
[05:54] <ActionParsnip> jnb: the case, spaces and all that stuff is VERY important
[05:54] <jnb> cdroot folder the file is called autorun
[05:54] <ActionParsnip> jnb: Linux is 100% case sensitiove
[05:54] <jnb> I created a root log in and double clicked on the file to install
[05:54] <jnb> I later removed the root log-in
[05:54] <ActionParsnip> jnb: so it's in ~/Downloads/cdroot/autorun
[05:55] <jnb> how can I give myself the permissions to install this file by just double clicking
[05:55] <jnb> @Action yes
[05:55] <ActionParsnip> jnb: i'm trying but you can't give the detail I need
[05:55] <ActionParsnip> jnb: chmod +x  ~/Downloads/cdroot/autorun && gksudo ~/Downloads/cdroot/autorun
[05:56] <jnb> @Action what more info do you need
[05:56] <Nanaki_Lion> Hi all. I got a weird problem with my Wireless connection. It does fully connect to my laptop, my router reconisze it, yet I have totaly no internet with it. No firewalls are running. Right now I am connected to my router via cable. What must i do so my wireless connection goes over the net again. This problem I only have since 21.04
[05:56] <ActionParsnip> jnb: run taht as ONE command and it will install
[05:56] <jnb> ok perfect will copy and past
[05:56] <jnb> paste
[05:56] <Nanaki_Lion> oops 12.04 i mean
[05:56] <ActionParsnip> jnb: you don't actually need the file at all, there is a PPA with the driver which will install for you but you seem completely hell bent on using this file you have
[05:57] <jnb> what is ppa
[05:58] <jnb> I was trying to mimic the priviledges given to a root user when he logs in.
[05:58] <jnb> when I enabled root log in all i had to do was double click with left mouse
[05:58] <ChogyDan> jnb: you should use the ppa, it is better
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> jnb: its a 3rd party source for packages and it will allow you to install the packages using software centre
[05:58] <jnb> what is ppa
[05:58] <jnb> ok will install now
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> jnb: yes but you are now running the file as user, so you only have user acces
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> jnb: so when your user double clicks the file it runs as user which doesn't have enough access to install it
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> jnb: that's why sudo and gksudo exist
[05:59] <Novasun> ubuntu totem-xine can work for autoplay default
[05:59] <jnb> sudo and gksudo seems to work within the terminal windows only
[06:00] <Novasun> if you modify fstab then back it up first
[06:00] <jnb> i looked for ppa is software center and nothing came up
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> jnb: you can run gksudo on its own then point it at the file you want to run
[06:00] <jnb> I tried that browse button and nothing happened
[06:00] <jnb> will try again now
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> jnb: the pastebin I gave you has 3 commands, one adds the ppa, the 2nd adds the key and the second installs the packages
[06:00] <snap_> hey, I'm getting some errors from dpkg when trying to install packages saying that I have corrupt packages and I have't been able to track down anything to fix this.  Here is output: http://pastebin.com/WLBWieY0  Anyone have any ideas?
[06:01] <Novasun> CDDE in software center might help if you cant read a cd
[06:01] <jnb> ok
[06:02] <jnb> Action the gksud doesn't allow me to browse to the file
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> jnb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068896/  I missed a step
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> jnb: you can run:  gksudo ~/Downloads/cdroot/autorun
[06:03] <Space-Duck> Anyone know how to install sqlite3 for use in php?
[06:03] <Corey> Yes.
[06:03] <Space-Duck> I'm trying to install sqlite3 and use it in PHP. I installed the sqlite3 packages and then followed these steps ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8039665&postcount=6 ) to add the extension to apache. and now when I run my php I get this...I'm trying to install sqlite3 and use it in PHP. I installed the sqlite3 packages and then followed these steps ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8039665&postcount=6 ) to add the extension
[06:03] <Space-Duck> to apache. and now when I run my php I get this...
[06:03] <Space-Duck> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/sqlite3.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/sqlite3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[06:04] <jnb> @action thanks for your help
[06:04] <Corey> Space-Duck: Crap approach.  php5-sqlite  is all you need.
[06:04] <iceroot> Space-Duck: how you installed it? apt-get?
[06:05] <iceroot> Space-Duck: sudo apt-get install php5-sqlite
[06:05] <Space-Duck> iceroot, I used the ubuntu software center
[06:05] <zastaph> anyone running ubuntu natively on a macbook air/pro ? Is it cumbersome to setup the dualboot through EFI and would it be a better option just to use vbox?
[06:05] <Space-Duck> does php5-sqlite have sqlite3?
[06:05] <Nanaki_Lion> I am trying to fix my Wifi that refuses to go on the internet, yet connect to my router. What must I do to get it on the internet? No firewalls used so it is not blocked.
[06:06]  * caravel got around the alternate/partition manager issue mentioned earlier -- "of course" :) -- once a pv is created via assisted lvm+luks, it just can't be "removed" within the same install session -> abort install, start over, manual partionning... ?!
[06:06] <ActionParsnip> Nanaki_Lion: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc    please
[06:06] <Corey> Nanaki_Lion: Is a default gateway being set?
[06:06] <mbleigh> hey all, i'm trying to set up dual boot win/ubuntu on my new asus zenbook prime but i'm having boot loader issues, can anyone help?
[06:06] <caravel> [...] pvremove works from tty2, but the installer won't see any change
[06:06] <iceroot> Space-Duck: it has the sqlite extension matching your php version
[06:06] <Nanaki_Lion> Actionparsnip: one sec
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> Nanaki_Lion: thanks
[06:07] <iceroot> Space-Duck: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.4)
[06:07] <iceroot> Space-Duck: so yes, its using sqlite3 with the correct php extention for php5
[06:07] <bart__> zastaph, Linus Tarvolds runs his linux on a macbook pro
[06:08] <zastaph> bart, I bet he does :) but it's not just point and click to set it up.. I've seen some guides
[06:08] <Nanaki_Lion> yes default gateway is set correct. but your line only gives me precise (if you need to enter it in terminal atleast
[06:09] <ActionParsnip> Nanaki_Lion: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <Nanaki_Lion> Actionparsnip: where can i do that best? mind you i am right now connected via cable. so a ping is no use. As said i got totaly no internet via my Wifi, yet it connects to the router.
[06:11] <ActionParsnip> Nanaki_Lion: i'd go for gnnome-terminal   there is no 'best'
[06:11] <ActionParsnip> Nanaki_Lion: ping over the wifi
[06:12] <ernie4chan> a
[06:13]  * caravel good sunday ^^
[06:13] <Nanaki_Lion> brb then, need to pull the cable from my laptop to be able to ping like that.
[06:15] <Nanaki_Lion> So back.
[06:16] <Nanaki_Lion> Ping to <IP_ADDRESS> failed as pinging my router also failed.
[06:17] <rinzler> update manager wants to notify me of updates, but apt-get holds them back when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade... any idea of how to get notification center to let go of my system?
[06:18] <Nanaki_Lion> ActionParsnip: did the ping, it failed, as it also failed to ping my router.
[06:20] <Nanaki_Lion> ActionParsnip: so back, ping failed to the one you gave and to my router.
[06:26] <L3top> rinzler, do you have PPAs?
[06:26] <decci> I have a Linux Machine(Ubuntu) as Session Manager.My resolv.conf says:  search localhost nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  I am trying to configure Windows 2003 as Application Server. During the Apllication Server setup , the Application server is not getting added to unregistered list. I cross-checked with running nslookup on Windows machine and it does list <IP_ADDRESS> as DNS server. So there is no DNS issue(right
[06:26] <decci> it all says "Session Manager not connected, sleeping for a while". What could be the issue?
[06:26] <ActionParsnip> Nanaki_Lion: then your interface is not getting DHCP, probably not connecting
[06:27] <Nanaki_Lion> actionparsnip: DHCP server is enabled and set to automatic.
[06:29] <rinzler> L3top: not sure.
[06:30] <L3top> rinzler: does ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d return a result?
[06:31] <Haddockk> I am having this weird issue with my HD6670 with foss driver: Right after installation, when i reboot, all I can see is a purple screen, sometimes it flickers a bit, but I can't see any login window. Doing "nomodeset" lets me login, but with lower resolution. But, booting from a live media works fine with native resolution and 2d acceleration. Any help much appreciated :)
[06:31] <rinzler> L3top: yes: google-chrome.list google-chrome.list.save
[06:32] <L3top> rinzler: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ~      or replace ~ with a folder of your choosing and sudo apt-get update
[06:34] <L3top> Haddockk: what resolution are you trying to achieve?
[06:35] <Haddockk> L3top: my monitor supports 1366x768
[06:36] <EDawg878> When using pwmconfig how could I tell what sensor something is for example: hwmon0/device/temp1_input
[06:37] <rinzler> L3top: it's still keeping back packages
[06:37] <L3top> Can I see a pastebin rinzler?
[06:38] <rinzler> L3top: yup. one sec...
[06:38] <decci> Guys, I can ping Ubuntu machine from Windows machine while unable to ping Windows machine from Ubuntu. The DNS for both shows the same IP.
[06:39] <decci> If I do nslookup <ubuntuIP> it shows an IP which is listed on /etc/resolv.conf on Ubuntu
[06:39] <L3top> Haddockk: can you login with nomodeset and give me a pastebin of xrandr --verbose
[06:40] <rinzler> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1068936/
[06:41] <L3top> rinzler: uname -r
[06:42] <rinzler> L3top: 3.2.0-23-generic-pae
[06:42] <Sparky_> Anyone here know how to use Xchat?
[06:43] <rinzler> Sparky_: using it right now. what's up?
[06:43] <L3top> rinzler: it is holding back the linux kernel itself. I expect it wants you to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[06:43] <Sparky_> Ah, I want to make it autoconnect to Irc.gamesurge.net and a few channels
[06:43] <rinzler> L3top: mmkay. lemme try...
[06:44] <decci> I am trying to ping Linux machine from Windows it works but while I try to ping Windows box(Win 2003) from Linux it dont? I checked DNS. I ran nslookup <linuxbox) command on Windows 2003 server and it does show DNS entry which is listed on /etc/resolv.conf on Linux
[06:44] <Haddockk> L3top: i shall do some other time, busy with something urgent :(
[06:45] <Sparky_> rinzler, do you know how to do that?
[06:45] <rinzler> Sparky_: ctrl+s, select your server, hit edit on right, check box that says something allong the lines of connect automatically.
[06:45] <Sparky_> Oh, ok thanks :)
[06:45] <rinzler> Sparky_: sry, was looking it up
[06:45] <Sparky_> xD
[06:45] <rinzler> :P
[06:45] <L3top> !ppa | rinzler: you can mv that ppa back if you want chrome updates... but...
[06:46] <Sparky_> Hmm.....'
[06:46] <GNS3Talk> decci: Is the Windows firewall enabled?
[06:46] <Sparky_> rinzler, CTRL^S opens up a dialog to save the log from #Ubuntu
[06:47] <rinzler> Sparky_: ok, then replace the ctrl+s with Network List under the XChat meny
[06:47] <rinzler> *menu
[06:47] <Sparky_> Uhhhh 0.0
[06:48] <Sparky_> I'm new to Ubuntu and all this jazz.... Idk how to do that o.o
[06:48] <rinzler> Sparky_: are you in xchat now?
[06:48] <Sparky_> Yes
[06:48] <rinzler> Sparky_: go to the XChat menu.
[06:48] <rinzler> it's the first ite,
[06:48] <rinzler> *item
[06:48] <Sparky_> x.x
[06:49] <rinzler> alt+x
[06:49] <rinzler> that meny
[06:49] <rinzler> *menu
[06:49] <Sparky_> Nothing is happning x.x
[06:49] <rinzler> are you sure you're in xchat?
[06:50] <Sparky_> XChat-GNOME IRC Chat
[06:50] <Sparky_> Thats what it says on the dock to the left
[06:50] <Sparky_> <--
[06:50] <Sparky_> Is it not the same thing -_-
[06:51] <lrcaballero> Sparky: try using Pidgin...for better result
[06:51] <rinzler> open a terminal and do "sudo apt-get install xchat"
[06:51] <rinzler> w/o quotes
[06:51] <rinzler> and, no, it's apparently not the same thing...
[06:51] <Sparky_> How do I open a terminal? Sorry i'm VERY new to Ubuntu x.x
[06:52] <Sparky_> I installed Ubuntu onto my computer about 3 hours ago
[06:52] <Sparky_> lol
[06:52] <rinzler> click on the top icon in the dock and start typing terminal, and it should bring up an icon
[06:52] <raitar> can xchat use commands，just like /whois xxxx
[06:52] <sjoos> Sparky_: ctrl+alt+t
[06:52] <Sparky_> Oh :3
[06:52] <raitar> my can't
[06:52] <Sparky_> lol I got it XD
[06:52] <rinzler> that too...
[06:52] <lrcaballero> Sparky: go to Dash Home type Terminal
[06:53] <Sparky_> Thats what I did lrcaballero ^^
[06:53] <rinzler> that's the word that I was looking for: Dash Home
[06:53] <lrcaballero> now double click on your terminal
[06:53] <lrcaballero> or single click
[06:53] <rinzler> I'm on xfce :P
[06:54] <Sparky_> kk I opened a terminal :P
[06:55] <Sparky_> Its asking for a password
[06:55] <rinzler> if you copy and paste that command, remember to use ctrl+shift+v to paste it into the terminal, cause ctrl+v means something else
[06:55] <lrcaballero> Sparky: try installing Pidgin...$ sudo apt-get install pidgin inside your terminal
[06:55] <Sparky_> But I can't type anything -.-
[06:55] <Sparky_> lol
[06:55] <Sparky_> It asks for my password, but I can't type anything in it x.x
[06:55] <rinzler> use your password. it won't display anything for security reasons, but you are really typing
[06:55] <lrcaballero> click inside the terminal
[06:55] <Sparky_> oh lol
[06:56] <Sparky_> I see ^^
[06:56] <rinzler> it should go through a whole speil, and if it asks Y/n? just hit enter
[06:57] <Sparky_> Ok it looks like it finished
[06:58] <Sparky_> lol ^^]
[06:58] <rinzler> now open xchat, and it should bring up the window that I was trying to get to.
[06:58] <Sparky_> Ok
[07:01] <Sparky_> Thanks ^^
[07:02] <Sparky_> Ugh XD it join freenode again lol
[07:09] <ganesh_> can u switch kernal in burg
[07:09] <atjesse> Can someone tell me how to configure Canon iR6570 in Ubuntu?
[07:10] <iceroot> ganesh_: ?
[07:11] <atjesse> ganesh_, think you can press "e" and you get grub-like edit mode!
[07:12] <killer> how do i set up ad hoc so that i can use my wired connection also on my android phone
[07:13] <raptor67682> do you know the mms stream of france info radio (news radio) ?
[07:13] <Sparky_> x.x
[07:16] <EDawg878> Can somebody assist me with fancontrol/pwmconfig, I need to correlate fanspeed to hardware temperature
[07:17] <dn4> what is an alternative to mathematic ?
[07:17] <melodie_> hi
[07:17] <Endafy> hey how do I purchase the laptop on the home page?
[07:18] <Endafy> I click the image and it doesnt do anything
[07:18] <melodie_> is there someone knowing a bit the tricks related to grub-customize ? I tried to change the font type but it is not used, another font is systematically used instead
[07:18] <ikonia> Endafy: it's not a web shop
[07:18] <ikonia> Endafy: it's an image, it's n ot real
[07:18] <Endafy> ikonia: why not? I want to buy it
[07:19] <ikonia> Endafy: it's an image.....
[07:19] <EDawg878> its probably from https://www.system76.com/
[07:19] <melodie_> Endafy, what kind of lappy do you want to buy ? what country are you in ?
[07:19] <Endafy> the US
[07:19] <Endafy> I want the one on the Ubuntu home page
[07:19] <melodie_> do you want it new or refurbished ?
[07:19] <ikonia> no, it's just an image
[07:19] <melodie_> ah ha ! :D
[07:19] <zastaph> i want to install ubuntu on macbook air.. but I wonder if it's ok to run linux from a usb flash drive
[07:19] <Endafy> I want the advertised product
[07:19] <ikonia> Endafy: it's not advertised
[07:19] <zastaph> http://www.pendrivereviews.com/
[07:19] <melodie_> Endafy, imho the best lappys are IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad
[07:19] <raitar> :D
[07:20] <ikonia> Endafy: it's just an image
[07:20] <ikonia> Endafy: it does not say it's for sale, nor does ubuntu.com sell products
[07:20] <Endafy> ikonia: alright then why not just show the Ubuntu image
[07:20] <ikonia> Endafy: it's showing an example device running the OS
[07:20] <Endafy> why advertise a thin nice looking laptop
[07:20] <Priyantha> Hi all :) I have graphics problems on my HP Elitebook 8560w with Nvidia Quadro 2000M, yesterday ActionParsnip helped me alot but it didn't solve my problem :(
[07:20] <zastaph> does anyone run ubuntu from a usb flash drive?
[07:20] <melodie_> Endafy, just to make you have the wish for it. ;)
[07:21] <Priyantha> I have looked at it more, and found out that it is probaly something with the framebuffer
[07:21] <Endafy> ikonia: coming from a business perspective, and please dont take offense, thats astoundingly stupid
[07:21] <melodie_> Priyantha, you can do this:
[07:21] <Priyantha> but I disabled the framebuffer in Grub
[07:21] <Priyantha> but it didn't help :(
[07:21] <Priyantha> vga=normal nomodeset, i tried
[07:21] <Endafy> melodie_: so it seem
[07:21] <Endafy> seems
[07:21] <ikonia> Endafy: it sounds fine, ubuntu is not a hardware vendor
[07:21] <Endafy> then dont show hardware
[07:21] <melodie_> Priyantha, you get nividia-tools, create a small xorg.conf with nvidia-xconfig, then comment with a # the line "pci bus id"
[07:22] <melodie_> then it should work
[07:22] <Endafy> truth in advertising
[07:22] <ikonia> Endafy: well, this channel is for ubuntu technical support, so I guess this conversation is done
[07:22] <Priyantha> mmm what does that do then melodie_ ?
[07:22] <melodie_> Priyantha, does your system use nvidia or nouveau ?
[07:22] <Priyantha> nvidia melodie_
[07:22] <Endafy> if you only sell diamonds dont show rings, or put a giant red logo saying "example"
[07:22] <melodie_> Priyantha, are you sure ?
[07:22] <Priyantha> I am 100% sure ;)
[07:22] <Priyantha> I installed it yesterday
[07:22] <ikonia> Endafy: enough now, you can't buy it, disucssion done
[07:22] <Endafy> this is a support quandary
[07:22] <lrcaballero> ikonia: DELL sells laptops with ubuntu install, but for this you have to call them and request it
[07:22] <melodie_> do a "sudo lshw | grep driver" and check
[07:23] <Endafy> ikonia: thats rude
[07:23] <ikonia> lrcaballero: why are you telling me this ? I know
[07:23] <ikonia> Endafy: no, it's not, this is a technical support channel, you've been told ubuntu.com doesn't sell hardware, discussion done
[07:23] <melodie_> Priyantha, you installed : but if you still have "nouveau" in the system, maybe it is preferred (without you knowing) this is why you should check
[07:23] <Endafy> no need to be an asshole about it jeez
[07:24] <Priyantha>                 configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0