[07:55] <vila> hi all
[09:01] <jelmer> hi vila
[09:02] <mgz> morning all
[09:03] <vila> synchronicity :) hey mgz, jelmer
[09:13] <mgz> who's pilot?
[09:13] <mgz> ...jelmer, sayeth the wiki
[09:14] <mgz> ...arkgr
[09:20] <jelmer> ah, hmm
[09:20] <jelmer> vila, mgz: if either of you could do a second review of https://code.launchpad.net/~nmb/bzr/893470-dedupe-list-branches/+merge/83075, that'd be grand
[09:25] <jelmer> hmm, doesn't seem like there is an awful lot to PP on..
[09:26] <vila> jelmer, mgz: on it
[09:27] <mgz> jelmer: there might be a rush later in the week, you never know :)
[09:32] <mgz> jelmer: is bug 55461 fixed now with the splitting of get_transport in two?
[09:32] <jelmer> mgz: yup
[09:33]  * jelmer assigns to himself
[09:33] <jelmer> mgz: thanks
[09:33] <vila> jelmer: reviewed, BB:tweak
[09:34] <jelmer> hmm
[09:34] <jelmer> mgz: bug 390486 also seems to be in progress now..
[09:34] <mgz> heh, just looking at that one as well.
[09:35] <mgz> trying to find a bug for remote push not creating trees, but we don't seem to have anything saying exactly that
[09:35] <vila> because we've never supported it except via push-and-update
[09:36] <jelmer> mgz: bug 325355 ?
[09:36] <mgz> ...that'll do
[09:36] <vila> and the current effort from jelmer is blocked by the chroot
[09:40] <mgz> if it was a real chroot, could just treat the paths as relative to /
[09:40] <mgz> and worry less about accidentally escaping
[09:41] <vila> the issue is that the chroot is a transport and wts want local paths (or be fixed to use the transport API)
[09:45] <vila> does 'safe_decode() called on an already-unicode string' ring a bell ? Recent addition ?
[09:47] <mgz> o_O
[09:47] <vila> seen in an import log file so a trace.mutter probably
[09:47] <mgz> stack? it's not a function we use I think
[09:49] <vila> brz-builddeb ?
[09:50] <vila> yup, in util.py
[09:50] <mgz> ah, b...
[09:50] <mgz> you got there first
[09:51] <vila> testing a local jubany ~clone
[09:51] <mgz> change that to mutter_callsite if you want to see the cause
[09:51] <astraljava> Hi guys.  Basically, I did a merge on a branch, which wasn't up-to-date, and now as I try to revert, it does nothing.
[09:52] <astraljava> The branch is lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.precise
[09:58] <mgz> astraljava: did you commit the merge?
[10:00] <astraljava> mgz: Yes. Now I got it reverted, but the earlier commits are still missing.
[10:02] <mgz> reverted as in... `bzr uncommit` or as in `bzr revert -r-2 && bzr commit` or as in `bzr merge -r-1..-2 && bzr commit`?
[10:02] <mgz> likely, all you want is to do `bzr pull`
[10:02] <astraljava> mgz: I did `bzr uncommit` && `bzr update`
[10:02] <mgz> and get the tip from lp again... unless you already pushed to lp
[10:03] <mgz> in which case you want to get the old head from your repo and pull that revid
[10:04] <astraljava> mgz: I didn't push after the uncommit, no.
[10:05] <mgz> so, does pulling from lp get you back up to the latest rev?
[10:06] <astraljava> mgz: No. It is back to the revision that I pushed as the merge.
[10:07] <mgz> okay, so you did push to lp.
[10:07] <astraljava> mgz: I pushed after the merge, yes, but not after the uncommit.
[10:07] <astraljava> Sorry if I was unclear.
[10:09] <astraljava> I was told that bzr doesn't allow this operation (pushing from a non-up-to-date branch) by default, but I don't find --overwrite in my config either.
[10:09] <astraljava> I didn't expect this, cause I use other rcs more, and there this doesn't happen. Is there a config entry I can make so that it won't happen again?
[10:12] <mgz> it is a little suprising it was allowed, suggests you didn't do exactly what you thought
[10:12] <mgz> what changes did you lose from tip? just two?
[10:12] <astraljava> mgz: Perhaps so, I claim not to be an expert by any means.
[10:13] <astraljava> mgz: Two, yes. There were already commits 1278 and 1279, but seems my branch was only at 1277, thus my merge commit becoming the new 1278.
[10:13] <mgz> one from colin and one from steven? in which case, you just reordered the mainline
[10:13] <mgz> which is easy to fix, and there is a config option to prevent accidentally doing it
[10:14] <astraljava> mgz: I believe so, yes. I only noticed 1279 from Colin.
[10:14] <mgz> so, in your local branch, do
[10:14] <mgz> `bzr pull -r 1277.1.2`
[10:16] <mgz> then you can either merge the current tip, or redo the original merge and overwrite the top revision on lp
[10:16] <astraljava> Did the first, now says on revision 1279, which sounds lovely.
[10:17] <astraljava> So it's up-to-date now, and I can merge another branch with that?
[10:17] <mgz> so, if you now do `bzr merge :parent`
[10:18] <mgz> you'll merge in the merge you did already, but without reordering the mainline, and can commit and push that
[10:18] <mgz> which should make the branch on lp look sensible again without having to uncommit there as well.
[10:19] <mgz> or, at your choice, do uncommit lp:... and if anyone has pulled in the mean time they'll need to drop that revision too
[10:21] <mgz> once done playing, can avoid this in future by doing `bzr config append_revisions_only=True -d lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.precise`
[10:24] <astraljava> mgz: Okay, so `bzr status` says there's a pending merge, so I just merge again now? What does `bzr merge :parent` mean?
[10:25] <mgz> ...this is a little hard to explain without drawing trees
[10:26] <astraljava> mgz: Okay, nevermind. :)
[10:26] <mgz> basically, all you did was change the left-hand path
[10:27] <mgz> by merging your previous merge again, but onto the latest revision, you change what counts as the mainline back to what it was
[10:28] <mgz> (:parent just means "from launchpad" in this case, which has the merge you did before)
[10:28] <astraljava> mgz: Gotcha.
[10:28] <mgz> so, committing this merge and pushing it reorders the tree again
[10:29] <mgz> but existing revisions stay as they were
[10:29] <mgz> there are some threads on the bazaar list with pretty pictures
[10:32] <astraljava> mgz: I must have done something wrong, still, cause now it says the branches have diverged.
[10:34] <mgz> do `bzr log -c-1 -n0` in your local branch and pastebin me the output?
[10:35] <astraljava> mgz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/767743/
[10:37] <astraljava> Oh btw. can that config be a global one? I didn't find a global config file.
[10:38] <mgz> it's a per-branch config
[10:38] <astraljava> Okay, thanks.
[10:38] <mgz> ideally it'd be set true by default in many circumstances, as this is confusing and annoying for people
[10:39] <mgz> right... that's not the right revision merged somehow
[10:40] <mgz> but you could push --overwrite that and it would be fine.
[10:41] <astraljava> Ok, so it will be fine for others after the push?
[10:41] <mgz> it would tell them their branches have divered if they've already pulled, but it's likely not fatal here
[10:42] <astraljava> mgz: Okay. Is there then a way to get rid of that message? I could tell people that then, if they visit our channel complaining about that.
[10:42] <mgz> they basically just need to pull --overwrite
[10:43] <astraljava> Ok. Haha! Now it complains about "AppendRevisionsOnlyViolation". :D
[10:43] <mgz> right :)
[10:44] <astraljava> Ok, let's see now whether it worked alright.
[10:44] <astraljava> At least it says it pushed up to revision 1280.
[10:44] <astraljava> YES!
[10:44] <astraljava> mgz: I could kiss you right now.
[10:45] <astraljava> mgz: But I think I better let that be.
[10:45] <astraljava> Thanks so much!
[10:49] <mgz> great!
[11:26] <glen> how do i update current trunk checkout to some named tag?
[11:28] <mgz> `bzr update -rtag:your_tag`
[11:31] <glen> $ bzr up -r tag:release-2.3.1-final
[11:31] <glen> bzr: ERROR: no such option: -r
[11:32] <jelmer> glen: what version of bzr are you using? the -r option is fairly recent.
[11:32] <glen> bzr-0:2.0.3-1.amd64
[11:32] <jelmer> that's quite old
[11:32] <jelmer> more than two years I think
[11:32] <jelmer> glen: you can also use "bzr revert -rtag:your_tag"
[11:32] <glen> not as old as bzr-1.18-1.amd64.rpm :)
[11:33] <vila> Riddell: hey ! How are you ? Hopefully better ?
[11:33] <glen> and how to go back to trunk?
[11:33] <jelmer> glen: "bzr revert"
[11:33] <mgz> he has too many llls now, perhaps he's become welsh?
[11:34] <vila> argh, false alert ?
[11:35] <Riddelll> vila: well better is a relative term, my brain is still a bit slow and I've got an eye blocked off else I see squint
[11:35] <glen> jelmer: seems i can't upgrade bzr. i'm on py2.4. [ERROR] Not a supported Python version. Need 2.6+
[11:35] <vila> :-/
[11:36] <vila> Riddelll: glad to see you here anyway :)
[11:37] <Riddelll> vila: I won't be driving on French roads in the near future :)
[11:37] <vila> Riddelll: caribean drivers (and roads) are... different
[11:38] <vila> Riddelll: what happened ?
[11:39] <vila> Riddelll: I remember getting very very scared the first time I saw a car on the right *lane* one night, stopped and without lights...
[11:39] <vila> Riddelll: since then, I drove far slower...
[11:39] <Riddelll> vila: I don't remember what happened
[11:39] <vila> :-/
[11:39] <vila> Riddelll: you were alone ?
[11:40] <Riddelll> yes
[11:40] <vila> Riddelll: and woke up at the hospital ?
[11:41] <Riddelll> yes
[11:41] <vila> :-(
[11:42] <Riddelll> where the doctors promptly kicked me out and sent me home in a taxi
[11:42] <mgz> Riddell: we love you, even if we can't do much from this side of the ocean :)
[11:43] <Riddelll> I'm back on the same side of ocean now
[11:43] <Riddelll> in presence if not in timezone
[11:44] <mgz> ah, you're returned? in time for the cold and storms?
[11:44] <vila> Riddell: wow, that was rude :-(
[11:45] <vila> Riddell: I hope you still have better souvenirs from Guadeloupe :-}
[11:46] <Riddell> mgz: the storms I'm used to but not the cold
[11:50] <schnoodles> Howdy i merged a branch and pushed it but i was told that its not ready to be merged. How do i revert the git history ?
[12:15] <jelmer> glyph: bzr < 2.4 should still work
[12:15] <jelmer> glyph: bzr 2.3 is a huge improvement over 2.0
[12:15] <jelmer> schnoodles: wrong channel ? :)
[12:17] <mgz> glen: ^
[12:18] <jelmer> oops
[12:18] <jelmer> sorry glyph
[12:18] <jelmer> glyph: I guess you're higher than glen in my irssi <tab> priority list..
[12:24] <jelmer> urgh
[12:25] <jelmer> 1490 'open' calls during a simple "bzr ls" without plugins
[12:26] <jelmer> (my serializer-avoids-xml branch brings that down to ~1290)
[12:26] <jelmer> there is lots of stuff in there that's unnecessary though
[12:26] <vila> jelmer: o_O, open as in python builting open ?
[12:26] <mgz> is that including imp...
[12:26] <vila> s/g//
[12:26] <mgz> what vila asked
[12:27] <jelmer> vila: no, libc open
[12:27] <jelmer> there's ~100 opens related to ubuntu one
[12:27] <vila> what does u1 have to do with 'bzr ls' ???
[12:28] <jelmer> vila: it installs extra .pth files, which means python probes for modules in more locations
[12:28] <mgz> okay, back to what I was asking then, how many of those are python imports?
[12:28]  * jelmer files a bug against u1
[12:28] <vila> argh
[12:31] <jelmer> mgz: all but 2 dozen
[12:31] <jelmer> mgz: those 2 dozen are system libraries and bzr repository opens
[12:33] <jelmer> hmm, more like 3 dozen, actually
[12:34] <jelmer> mgz: 1206 from python, 20 from the system and 19 for bzr
[12:35] <mgz> okay, not quite as bad as it sounds then, we do need to do some more stuff on reducing the total number of modules basic bzr operations want though.
[12:35] <jelmer> vila: bzr actually opens bazaar.conf 6 times :(
[12:35] <mgz> vila's on that! :)
[12:35] <jelmer> mgz: (that's with my xml branch, otherwise there's 200 more from the xml modules)
[12:36] <mgz> reviewing now
[12:36] <vila> jelmer: I know, there is currently no central place where we could avoid re-opening bazaar.conf
[12:37] <mgz> library_state!
[12:42] <vila> mgz: hehe, yes, library_state will be involved but some sort of possible_config_stores is also needed
[12:46] <jelmer> bug 903180
[12:56] <jelmer> vila, mgz: Hmm, I wonder if it makes sense to use "from __future__ import absolute_import" everywhere
[12:58] <vila> jelmer: what does absolute_import ?
[13:00] <mgz> vila: breaks plugins :)
[13:01] <vila> oh, you mean, making relative imports illegal ?
[13:01] <vila> +1 :)
[13:01] <jelmer> mgz: I don't think it will, it's limited to the module in which you add it right?
[13:02] <mgz> I'm joking a little jelmer, 'everywhere' would take some doing.
[13:02] <mgz> but bzrlib shouldn't break... much
[13:03]  * mgz eyes bzrlib.test_suite
[13:03] <mgz> def test_suite(): import tests return tests.test_suite()
[13:03] <vila> pff
[13:04] <mgz> I'd prefer not to add things all over the code base if we could do a lint check instead.
[13:05] <mgz> otherwise seems a fine idea.
[13:08] <jelmer> hmm, actually
[13:09] <jelmer> it's a trivial patch to make lazy_import do absolute imports only by default
[13:09] <mgz> that's worthwhile.
[13:09] <jelmer> now that we're on >= 2.5
[13:12] <mgz> jelmer: do we want mkdir -p to actually not complain if dir exists?
[13:13] <mgz> seems that's the shell behaviour so might be least suprising
[13:14]  * mgz writes some tests and adds try/except
[13:16] <jelmer> mgz: hmm, I guess
[13:17] <jelmer> mgz: it seems we'll need to check before running os.makedirs(). The code that does the versioning already handles it existing.
[13:20] <mgz> well, what I've just written is catching the OSError
[13:20] <mgz> but... seems that builtins doesn't have the errno module imported which is mildly annoying
[13:21] <mgz> okay, lazy import, tests pass
[13:27] <mgz> phone answered, branch pushed
[13:39] <jelmer> mgz: sorry for the noisy comments..
[14:02] <wgz> I approve of noise!
[14:17] <vila> wgz: meh, I missed that while reviewing but it seems get_environ_unicode in win32utils is not used outside of tests ??
[14:27] <wgz> vila: indeed, it's another one of the little pieces branches
[14:28] <vila> ha ok
[14:28] <wgz> next in the stack is bug 832028
[14:30] <vila> wgz: ok, what's the plan ?
[14:30] <vila> requires some encoding and force a wrapper around os.environ ?
[14:31] <wgz> pretty much
[14:31] <wgz> -    base = os.environ.get('BZR_HOME', None)
[14:31] <wgz> +    base = osutils.path_from_environ('BZR_HOME')
[14:32] <wgz> hm, commited that with the wrong whoami last week
[14:33] <wgz> the tricky bit is not breaking nix too much by decoding paths we used to let through as bytestrings
[14:34] <wgz> hence the diversion via bug 794353
[17:38] <wgz> argh, would have been faster to just delete everything and start from scratch, there's no sense to how things are arranged currently
[17:40] <jelmer> wgz: which things?
[17:42] <wgz> all of osutils and win32utils more so, and how they interact
[17:44] <jelmer> ah
[17:44] <wgz> I can't use osutils functions from win32utils (without local imports), and the randomness of how things are split between then is crazy
[17:45] <wgz> there's a bug that was reported, and worked around, just because it wasn't clear there was already an implementation of the right thing in the other file
[17:45] <wgz> and bzr-explorer et all make things worse by duplicating even more :)
[17:52] <jelmer> ahh
[17:54] <wgz> need to stop trying to make things perfect and just... go for better
[18:00] <glyph> wgz: Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien
[18:01] <wgz> should make that my motto really, I get stuck on dumb things like this way too much
[18:09] <glyph> Is there an idiom that bzr users use which I haven't discovered yet, which is (without using colocated branches) similar to 'git fetch'?
[18:09] <glyph> I find myself doing stuff like "(cd ../upstream; bzr pull); bzr pull" quite a lot.
[18:10] <jelmer> glyph: there is "bzr multi-pull"
[18:10] <jelmer> part of bzrtools
[18:10] <glyph> "... and the branches of checkouts"?
[18:10] <glyph> this is going to be a learning adventure :)
[18:10] <jelmer> glyph: branches of checkouts?
[19:23] <Saxy> Anybody here ?
[19:24] <Saxy> Have a question about bazaar !
[19:24] <Saxy> .-(
[19:25] <Saxy> Will try again later !
[19:26] <glyph> jelmer: heh, unfortunately my directory structure (there are SVN checkouts here too) looks quite antagonistic towards multi-pull
[19:26] <glyph> but this will be quite useful in some cases
[19:26] <glyph> jelmer: what's a "branch of a checkout" though?
[19:27] <glyph> My understanding was that a branch was a thing you have a checkout of, not vice versa.
[19:28] <fullermd> Presumably it means "the branch this is a checkout of".
[19:29] <fullermd> i.e., foreach(thing in we_found) { pull(open_branch_of(thing)) }
[19:30] <thomi> Hi - is there a bzr command that lets me know if branch X will cleanly merge into this branch? Currently I do a merge & then a revert, but maybe there's a simpler way?
[19:33] <wgz> thomi: `bzr merge preview > /dev/null && echo 'Will merge cleanly'` maybe?
[19:33] <wgz> *--preview
[19:34] <thomi> oooh
[19:35] <thomi> hmmm, it's be nice to have a --dry-run flag
[19:36] <thomi> because I can't do the above with a bzr alias.
[19:36] <thomi> I guess I could set up a bash alias, but that's not as nice.
[20:28] <wgz> I'm reading the XDG Base Directory spec, and I have no idea where it thinks .bzr.log should go
[20:33] <jelmer> wgz: that's a good question, indeed
[20:39] <spm> jelmer: ta wrt the importd cleanup; just getting rid of the .db and tmp files now.
[20:41] <mgz> okay, enough banging head against this environment/configs stuff, let's discuss it in the standup tomorrow
[20:42] <jelmer> spm: anytime :)
[20:49] <wgz> ha, bug 257895 is funny, the xml inventories don't cope with files containing C0 control codes
[20:51] <wgz> that must be pretty much wontfix by now, it would require layering an escaping scheme on top, or at least rejecting dodgy filenames
[20:52] <jelmer> wgz: you have an... interesting sense of humour
[20:54] <wgz> I was looking the regexps in your code moving earlier today and thinking "hey, that's not actually correct",
[20:54] <wgz> and lo, we have bugs.
[20:57] <jelmer> wgz: introduced by me, or prexisting?
[20:57] <jelmer> *pre-existing
[21:16] <Noldorin> hi folks
[21:17] <Noldorin> lifeless, hey
[21:19] <wgz> jelmer: bugs as old as the original code, not your move today
[21:46] <Noldorin> hi wgz
[21:48] <wgz> I can never tell if you saying hi means you want something Noldorin :)
[21:48] <Noldorin> wgz, who doesn't?   Who wants burnt meat?)
[21:54] <Noldorin> wgz, fullermd you could have made a slightly less appetising joke but that isn't what i meant either :-P
[22:05] <Noldorin> wgz, bah, you probably aren't even familiar with the English expression :-P
[22:05] <Noldorin> anyway...
[23:35] <BlindWolf8> Hello all. Is there a way that myself or a team member can view the latest changelog without doing an Update/Pull locally?
[23:37] <LeoNerd> bzr log URL
[23:37] <fullermd> Will probably be as fast (or faster) to pull locally though, unless you're a long way behind.
[23:39] <BlindWolf8> I think he just wants to see it to avoid conflicts...I could just get him to update at the start of each day to avoid issues
[23:39] <spiv> "bzr missing URL" might be what they want?
[23:40] <BlindWolf8> that could be...is there a GUI option or is the only option a command line?
[23:40] <BlindWolf8> he can use the comand line no problem, but I figured I'd ask
[23:42] <BlindWolf8> btw, just saw an option for Shelve/Unshelve changes. I'm assuming this is something new? what does it do?
[23:43] <maxb_> It has existed for years :-)
[23:44] <BlindWolf8> hahah
[23:44] <BlindWolf8> I found the docs
[23:44] <maxb_> It means to temporarily remove uncommitted changes from the working tree and hide them inside the .bzr dir for later recall
[23:44] <BlindWolf8> does shelfing a change work on uncommited changes too?
[23:44] <BlindWolf8> I'm assuming so since shelfing a commited change is just like reverting
[23:45] <maxb_> shelving a committed change doesn't really make any sense to me
[23:45] <BlindWolf8> right, just making sure
[23:45] <BlindWolf8> thanks guys!


[08:29]  * bryce_ waves
[08:36] <tjaalton> hey bryce_, I'll be around during the "karmic plans" and "nvidia driver" sessions
[08:43] <bryce_> ok, hopefully audio|video will work
[08:44] <tjaalton> audio has worked this morning, there doesn't seem to be a videostream available
[08:44] <tjaalton> so, fingers crossed
[08:45] <bryce_> tjaalton: do you have any items that should be brought up for "karmic plans"?
[08:46] <bryce_> brb
[08:49] <tjaalton> well, do we plan to include xserver 1.7 (with XI2/XKB2), what about r6/7xx DRI if it arrives "early enough" ..
[08:50] <bryce_> ok
[08:52] <tjaalton> I hear pitti talking
[08:52] <tjaalton> about KMS
[08:54] <mnem0> tjaalton: is that bryce now?
[08:54] <tjaalton> yep :)
[08:54] <mnem0> heh cool :)
[08:55] <tjaalton> bryce_: is there a gobby document?
[08:57] <bryce_> tjaalton: ah right.  gobby has been inconsistent
[08:58] <tjaalton> tell me about it...
[09:04] <bryce_> are you getting audio okay?
[09:04] <tjaalton> yep
[09:09] <tjaalton> four listeners, spot #1 ;)
[09:20] <tjaalton> bryce_: ttm is the other way around AIUI, gem is geared towards integrated chips like intel and via ;)
[09:47] <mnem0> tjaalton, bryce: what was the "answer" someone mentioned for knowing the most common hardware out there? is there a good way for ubuntu to know that?
[09:47] <tjaalton> I missed that
[13:47] <bryce_> jbarnes: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/dri.pc


[03:00] <tuxchow> hi, buddies
[03:00] <tuxchow> help needed here.
[03:01] <tuxchow> I cannot see my win8 partitions in ubuntu
[03:01] <tuxchow> :(
[03:02] <tuxchow> neither can my grub.


[00:04] <X9nLinuxL_> Which version of flashplayer do I need to use on a G4 Mac?  (Using 8.04 iirc)
[00:05] <Dragnslcr> |z00m|- the -p option to netstat will show you which program has each port open
[00:19] <Snowhog> X9nLinuxL_: If you don't already have Flash installed, then just run from the console, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, otherwise, run sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[00:24] <Sentynel> Got a couple of issues with the KDE4.6 RC, are they known? a) it plays the logon sound twice, and b) it won't remember the GTK style settings and resets to no style on every boot
[00:27] <James147> Sentynel: its best to testa a clean profile (by creating a new user) after a mojor upgrade to make sure nothing went wrong with updating teh config files
[00:27] <James147> ^^ that is, if you are having problems after the upgrade :)
[00:31] <Sentynel> James147: okay, the logon sound thing isn't happening, but the GTK style disappearing is
[00:35] <James147> Sentynel: well at least thats one of the problems solved :) (~/.kde/share/config/kde.notifyrc if probally the file responsible for the notification sound problem).  Afraid I cannot really help with the second problem though :(
[00:36] <Sentynel> hm, I don't have that file
[00:38] <James147> :S its likly to be one of the files in the config directory, thats where allmost all of kdes configs get stored
[00:45] <X9nLinuxL_> Snowhog Thank you!  Will try that.
[01:23] <fanfare> someone around using TeamDrive?
[01:26] <Daskreech> Possibly not. Want to ask your question anyway?
[01:27] <fanfare> Daskreech: am about to test it and not wanting to waste the 250mb ....
[01:27]  * Daskreech chuckles
[01:41] <andrej> Hello, can anybody help me with akonadi?
[01:42] <andrej> At scans the disk on every start again.
[01:42] <andrej> So after a login I can't use the computer for about 20 minutes, because the hard disk just rattles.
[01:43] <Daskreech> andrej: sure that's not strigi?
[01:43] <claydoh> andrej: its not akonadi scannning the disk I think it may be Strigi -
[01:44] <Daskreech> Akonadi is a store it doesn't do any searching
[01:44] <andrej> well... at least while i see several processes starting with akonadi in krunner the computer is unusable
[01:45] <andrej> And I can reproduce it, if I meanually start akonadi
[01:45] <andrej> So it is at least related.
[01:45] <Daskreech> Well Strigi and akonadi are tangentally related.
[01:46] <Daskreech> Though I suppose if you have a large enough database it can thrash the drive
[01:46] <Daskreech> what happens if you stop strigi and then start akonadi?
[01:47] <andrej> Hm.... I don't see a process "strigi" in krunner.
[01:48] <James147> andrej: Turn it off in System settings > desktop search
[01:49] <andrej> Ok, found the options.
[01:50] <andrej> Nepomuk is on, strigi is off.
[01:51] <andrej> and i deactivated the personal folder to be scanned for strigi
[01:51] <Daskreech> k
[01:52] <andrej> I'll try to start akonadi server
[01:52]  * James147 notes that strigi uses virtuoso-t as its backend for scanning... if he remembers correctly
[01:52] <shane4ubuntu> ohhh, strigi or nepomuk   which is recommended?
[01:53] <claydoh> sh
[01:53] <shane4ubuntu> better yet, can either look inside openoffice docs?
[01:53] <James147> shane4ubuntu: what do you mean by or? strigi uses nepomuk
[01:53] <claydoh> shane4ubuntu: strigi is for serarching nepomuk is for taggis and comments, etc
[01:53] <shane4ubuntu> lol, ooops, I'm ignorant, I thought they were different
[01:54] <shane4ubuntu> I thought nepomuk was the new thing, I recognize strigi as being around for a while
[01:54] <shane4ubuntu> does it search inside openoffice docs?
[01:54] <James147> shane4ubuntu: note sure...
[01:54] <andrej> Ok, now akonadi doesn't start.
[01:55] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks
[01:55] <andrej> BUT it doesn't crawl my hard disk.
[01:55] <andrej> So it seems to be better.
[01:55] <shane4ubuntu> andrej: but does it index everything?
[01:55] <andrej> Now not. I deactivated my whole personal folder for monitoring.
[01:55] <James147> shane4ubuntu: from the quick test I jsut did I would say it does :)
[01:56] <shane4ubuntu> James147: great!  Thanks
[01:56] <James147> (search in odt docs taht is)
[01:56] <shane4ubuntu> how do I turn it on?
[01:56] <andrej> previously it indexed it on every start.
[01:56] <andrej> So I'm off getting some sleep!
[01:56] <andrej> Thx for your help
[01:57] <shane4ubuntu> ha ha, system settings, I"m getting to like this system settings thing, one stop shop
[01:57] <James147> yup :)
[01:58] <shane4ubuntu> James147: shame on you for not mentioning that the other day when I was looking for a way to search through odt files. ;)
[01:58]  * James147 notes that krunner can search for modules inside system ssettings (ie searching for "Desktop Search" will find that module )
[01:58] <shane4ubuntu> got it up and running, so all is good now.  Thanks!
[01:58] <James147> shane4ubuntu: dident know it could do that :)
[01:58] <shane4ubuntu> James147: lol, no prob
[01:59] <shane4ubuntu> ok, gotta run, night all, strigi or umm, nepomuk is indexing my drive.
[02:00] <James147> ^^ strigi :)
[02:01] <mbnoimi_> how to enable socks proxy for whole KDE applications just like http proxy (I'm using KDE 4.5.1)
[02:01] <mbnoimi_> I looked for it in "system setting" but I didn't find anything about socks
[02:02] <mbnoimi_> I looked out this issue all the day but I didn't find any solution for it
[02:02] <mbnoimi_> even I found many people asked about socks in KDE but no one answered them!
[02:02] <mbnoimi_> it looks like a real issue
[02:07] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: strigi and nepomuk aren't alternatives
[02:09] <Daskreech> KDE really needs to stop having those names user facing
[02:10] <funcrush> hello.. Kubuntu 10.10 emit a error msg "modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.35-24-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory" when boot...
[02:10] <funcrush> How can I resolve this problem? anybody help me please?
[02:17] <Daskreech> funcrush: is that file there?
[02:23] <funcrush> Daskreech: yup.. the file is exists.
[02:28] <Daskreech> funcrush: you get that every boot?
[02:28] <funcrush> yup every boot
[02:28] <Daskreech> and what happens when you type lsmod ?
[02:30] <funcrush> wait....
[02:31] <funcrush> http://funcrush.pe.kr/208
[02:31] <funcrush> result of lsmod
[02:32] <Daskreech> well the modules are loading
[02:33] <funcrush> really?..
[02:34] <claydoh> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+question/139867
[02:34] <claydoh> and Bug #694970
[02:34] <claydoh> but not necessarily a reason or cure
[02:34] <funcrush> ah.. I see.. thank you all :)
[02:35] <funcrush> I'll try or give up :) hehe
[02:35] <funcrush> happy new year :)
[02:35] <Daskreech> funcrush: in short it's an error in error
[02:35] <veinos> Hey, I got that pop up error since yesterday telling me there was an authentication error with plasma workspace (identi.ca), any idea what is that?
[02:35] <Daskreech> You should be fine but it is annoying
[02:36] <veinos> i have no idea what that is and where it's from
[02:36] <claydoh> veinos: iirc identica had a problem with their security certificate
[02:37] <veinos> yah, something about certificate
[02:38] <veinos> i don't understand what is requesting that certificate and for what?
[02:38] <claydoh> identica (and twiiter for that matter) use em for safer authentication
[02:39] <veinos> yah, maybe, but i don't use either of those
[02:39] <claydoh> seems fixed now
[02:41] <veinos> mkay
[02:41] <claydoh> dunno, I don't use the kde microblogging plasmoid, its what would try to log in to identica
[02:41] <veinos> if I use it, i don't know i do hehe
[02:41] <veinos> it's not even on my desktop...
[02:42] <Daskreech> veinos: Choqok?
[02:42] <veinos> what's that?
[02:43] <claydoh> there is also an akonadi resource for microblogging
[02:43] <claydoh> but really if you don't use that widget, it shouldn't be trying to log in
[02:43] <Daskreech> claydoh: Wouldn't you have to put in an account for that or will it try to authenticate against nothing?
[02:44] <veinos> I don't use linux that often, so i don't really know what's going on...
[02:44] <claydoh> Daskreech: Doesn't the default desktop have the microblogging widget which logs in as 'kubuntu'?
[02:44] <Daskreech> oh
[02:44] <veinos> I just thought it was weird something tried to get some certificate adn didn't know why and what
[02:44] <Daskreech> hmm good point
[02:45] <claydoh> but stil, if the widget is removed, it shouldn't be trying to log in iirc
[02:45] <veinos> yah, i know i had that widget on my laptop install... on my dsktop though, i don't have it... maybe it's just hidden!?
[02:45] <claydoh> veinos: perhaps on a different virtual desktop?
[02:46] <claydoh> somewhat easy to do if you don't use that or have the pager in the taskbar (like me done similar myself)
[02:49] <veinos> hmm
[02:49] <veinos> i see a check mark on the microblogging widget icon when i try to add one
[02:49] <veinos> so i guess that means it's running somewhere
[02:52] <veinos> how would I close it if i can't find it? :P
[02:52] <veinos> i don't see it in any virtual desktop
[02:53] <James147> veinos: edit or rename/delete ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-[desktop|netbook]-appletsrc   (note taht renaming or removing it will reset the widgets to their default settings)
[02:58] <veinos> James147 wuold this be the right file ? plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[02:59] <James147> veinos: yes (assuming your running plasma-desktop)
[02:59] <veinos> no idea :)
[02:59] <veinos> that whole plasma thing isn't clear yet
[03:00] <James147>  :) well, plasma-netbook-appletsrc is the netbook file, if that dosent exist then you havent run it in the past
[03:01] <veinos> ok ok
[03:03] <veinos> mmm well, looks like applets aren't "named" in there :O
[03:04] <James147> veinos: no :( but one of the elements should be the widget... finding out which is the pain :)
[03:04] <veinos> yah hehe i can see why !
[03:06] <veinos> crap, that pop up just appeared again
[03:09] <veinos> i think i found it
[03:10] <veinos> It was in some other desktop activities :O
[03:10] <veinos> thanks for your help
[03:23] <rtdos> i know how to access smb/windows shares in kubuntu but how can i go the other way? from windows to kubuntu?
[03:24] <James147> rtdos: dolphin > networks > samba shares > "your workspace > ...    to create share you need to install samba and configure it
[03:26] <James147> rtdos: i suggest installing kdenetwork-filesharing for a (complicated...) gui interface to configure samba shares
[03:30] <rtdos> OK, thanks james.
[03:42] <mica7> h
[03:43] <mica7> Hello, I need some help getting my geforce 210 to work on ubuntu 10.10 with open GL
[03:43] <James147> mica7: have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[03:45] <mica7> thx james! I don't know which version x.org to install. and yes I got some different version installed, not the additional.
[03:46] <mica7> sorry for delay
[03:46] <James147> mica7: xorg should allready by installed...
[03:47] <mica7> I'm getting lag in tearing in DVD playback and open gl screen savers lagg
[03:47] <James147> mica7: to install the driver i suggest launching "Hardware drivers" (or run jockey-kde from a terminal)
[03:48] <mica7> would kockey-kde be better?
[03:48] <mica7> j
[03:48] <James147> mica7: they are the smae program :)
[03:49] <mica7> I already tried that and had the buggy issues. I thought nvidia was supposed to work better?
[03:50] <mica7> that's why I'm starting again and looking for support...
[03:52] <mica7> I'm back.
[03:54] <mica7> Hello, I'm sorry. Not trying to be rude or demanding. When I had the additional drivers installed I still had at least tearing occasionally on DVD playback with the restricted drivers also. I had better DVD playback with ATi.
[03:55] <xieyi> I encountered a problem today. Several keys apparently don't work as what is labeled on them. All the function keys are in a mess. I have never make any changes to the configure of my kubuntu 10.10. What may be the problem. Thanks!
[03:56] <LockNload> Hi all
[03:56] <LockNload> Haven't been on IRC fro about 15 years
[03:56] <LockNload> so whats new
[03:56] <mica7> thank you, james
[03:57] <mica7> I'll try again
[03:57] <mica7> crappy nvidia drivers
[03:57] <mica7> until otherwise
[03:58] <mica7> exit
[03:58] <mica7> logoff
[03:58] <mica7> how do i log out?
[04:05] <valorie> haha, that's an existential question
[04:11] <rtdos> my samba settings under settings > sharing > samba are greyed out. :-\
[04:11] <rtdos> how do i enable them?
[04:24] <rtdos> my samba settings under settings > sharing > samba are greyed out, how do i enable them?
[04:24] <valorie> do you have samba installed/
[04:24] <valorie> ?
[04:24] <rtdos> yes.
[04:24] <James147> rtdos: it needs to be run as root "kdesudo kcmshell4 kcmsambaconf"  will open it with root prevliges
[04:25] <rtdos> sudo kdesudo kcmshell4 kcmsambaconf ?
[04:25] <James147> rtdos: no
[04:25] <James147> rtdos: kdesudo will run it as root
[04:26] <rtdos> oh kdesudo
[04:26] <rtdos> ok
[04:26] <James147> rtdos: (kdesudo is like sudo, but it should be used for gui applications
[04:27] <Snowhog_> rtdos: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:30] <rtdos> thanks james, snowhog
[04:32] <rtdos> do these changes take affect right away or do i reboot?
[04:33] <James147> rtdos: once samba is restarted (which the clicking apply might do ^^... if not "sudo restart samba" should)
[04:34] <James147> rtdos: there is no need to reboot for anything but a kernel upgrade :)
[04:34] <rtdos> nice. :)
[04:38] <rtdos> unknown job:samba
[04:41] <James147> rtdos: try sudo restart smbd
[04:50] <geek__> hello i was wondering if someone could help me get my wifi card to work
[04:50] <rtdos> james i'm now getting these errors when i use the command to open up the samba gui - kcmshell(3073)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "kcmsambacon.desktop" not found
[04:50] <rtdos> kcmshell(3073) locateModule: Could not find module ' "kcmsambacon" '.
[04:50] <rtdos> kcmshell(3073)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "kcm_kcmsambacon.desktop" not found
[04:50] <rtdos> kcmshell(3073) locateModule: Could not find module ' "kcm_kcmsambacon" '.
[04:50] <rtdos> kcmshell(3073)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "kcmkcmsambacon.desktop" not found
[04:50] <rtdos> kcmshell(3073) locateModule: Could not find module ' "kcmkcmsambacon" '.
[04:50] <FloodBotK3> rtdos: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:51] <James147> conf... you missed the f
[04:52] <rtdos> huh?
[04:54] <James147> rtdos: "kcmsambaconf"  not "kcmsambacon"
[04:56] <rtdos> oh, yea. :)
[04:57]  * James147 notes that "kcmshell4 --list" will list all the availble modules that are in system settings
[04:57] <rtdos> thanks.
[04:58] <James147> rtdos: you can also do it via "kdesudo systemsettings" ^^ but I tend to prefure to not open things as root when you dont need to :)
[05:00] <James147> ^^ also any settings you set via kdesudo systemsettings will affect the root user not you (unless they are global, like kdm or samba)
[05:05] <rtdos> how do i reset samba settings to default? remove the samba.conf file?
[05:06] <James147> rtdos: reconfigure samba "sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba" I think will do that
[05:10] <rtdos> thanks james
[05:41] <ox3a> hi
[05:44] <ox3a> Hello anyone here please? I like to install kde from source
[05:45] <geekosopher> ox3a: so what is stopping you? :)
[05:46] <ox3a> oh sorry
[05:47] <ox3a> Actually i am using ubuntu..... but kde channel told me to ask here
[05:47] <ox3a> Thinking what if here people give me this #ubuntu to ask
[05:49] <geekosopher> ox3a: what I meant was, did you bump into any problems while installing from source?
[05:49] <ox3a> yeah
[05:50] <valorie> do you have the wiki page about building from source?
[05:50] <geekosopher> so just shoot the question
[05:50] <ox3a> yeah "cmake"
[05:52] <ox3a> First question: I want to install only kde base desktop and removing gnome(No need koffice or kmail etc). So which package i need?
[05:55] <ox3a> ?
[05:58] <ox3a> geekosopher,
[05:59] <samuel> hey guys, im having a problem with a fresh install of kubuntu on a Lenovo g530, every time i turn on my computer, kubuntu always starts with the desktop effects "temperaly disabled" , can anyone help ?
[06:01] <geekosopher> ox3a: kdebase-* packages I guess, not sure
[06:02] <wsr3193> Sounds like you may have a bad install disk
[06:03] <ox3a> I think so but not sure yet
[06:04] <geekosopher> samuel: in System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced Tab, check 'Disable functionality checks'
[06:05] <geekosopher> wsr3193: don't know if it is a case of bad install disk, because few more people had the same problem, including me :)
[06:05] <ox3a> I have downloaded several source: kdeaccessability,kdeadmin,kdeartwork,kdebase,kdebase-runtime,kdebase-workspace,kdebinding,kdeskdk,oxygen-icon and more
[06:05] <samuel> Thanks geek , i will restart and let you know if it still happens
[06:06] <geekosopher> samuel: sure
[06:06] <geekosopher> ox3a: any reason you want to install from source?
[06:11] <ox3a> geekosopher, Because My internet is too slow and impossible to install from ubuntu repos for everytime install and it take hug space with ubuntu.
[06:12] <ox3a> and many cause
[06:13] <samuel> geekosopher: Thanks man, it worked :), only having one more problem ..that i can see.. its not showing the window previews when i mouse over an application in the task bar. it just shows and outline of where it should be, and the info
[06:13] <ox3a> geekosopher, also as a study i need to install it from source and making a iso
[06:16] <geekosopher> ox3a: if it is for educational purpose, sure go ahead, but don't be sure of success the first time. Research enough before doing it, unless it is a spare system you are working on
[06:18] <geekosopher> samuel: did you check 'Show tooltips' in Task manager Settings?
[06:22] <samuel> where abouts is that?
[06:23] <geekosopher> samuel: right click on the taskbar
[06:25] <samuel> yes, show tool tips is checked, so thats not the problem :(
[06:25] <geekosopher> hmm
[06:26] <ox3a> geekosopher, yeah thanks
[06:27] <samuel> if i switch to xrender compositing, it works .. but then all my other effects that i like , dont work
[06:28] <geekosopher> wierd
[06:31] <ox3a> geekosopher, Actually i did many google search ..... But no good result and just told apt-get and about kubuntu. At least i am here looking for help
[06:35] <samuel> im trying to install opera from a deb package i downloaded the other day for my other pc, but im getting the error: dependency is not satisfiable: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good...
[06:42] <geekosopher> ox3a: as valorie suggested, search the wiki at kde and ubuntu
[06:44] <valorie> ox3a: one thing that might help you to know, is that the KDE site has a tech section, userbase, and community
[06:44] <valorie> you'll probably want the techbase part
[06:44] <valorie> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 for instance
[07:17] <rjwiii> Anyone know that program that bundles up a program from one computer so that you can run it on another computer? It's supposed to pack up all the libs it needs and such ... ??
[07:19] <geekosopher> rjwiii: aptoncd comes to my mind
[07:19] <geekosopher> http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[07:21] <geekosopher> rjwiii: then there is remastersys
[07:21] <geekosopher> http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/
[07:24] <rjwiii> Those are nice, but I'm not looking for a backup tool in this case ... I saw this video that demonstrated this program (cli, IFIRC) that bundled up a program so that you could then transport it to another computer, upack the file, cd to a directory in the arcive and just run the program again ...
[07:32] <mr-rich> rjwiii: boo
[08:40] <sresu> How can edit metadata for any file? Atleast to add description which name cannot cover??
[08:57] <valorie> you should be able to do that in Dolphin
[08:57] <valorie> side menu
[09:33] <tasslehoff> My last kernel was configured wrong because of some grub-issues. How can I reinstall the latest version?
[09:34] <valorie> !grub
[09:34] <tasslehoff> valorie: sorry. I meant the latest version of the kernel.
[09:34] <valorie> I hope that helps, tasslehoff
[09:35] <valorie> ah
[09:35] <valorie> !kernel
[09:35] <valorie> heh
[09:35] <tasslehoff> I have fixed grub, but the last kernel upgrade was done with a bad grub
[09:35] <tasslehoff> :)
[09:35] <valorie> that ubutto trick is always worth a try
[09:35] <valorie> :-)
[09:35] <valorie> ubotto, sorry
[09:36] <valorie> you might be able to purge and re-install
[09:36] <valorie> but I've never tried that
[09:45] <tt> ailurus  kubuntu能用吗？？？
[09:48] <valorie> !jp
[09:59] <pradeep_> hello everyone
[10:00] <pradeep_> i woke up this but found diffcult login to my comupter
[10:00] <pradeep_> warning cannot open consolekit session : unable to open session : cannot launch daemon file not found or persmission invalid
[10:00] <pradeep_> that  is the error am getting
[10:07] <Guest46886> warning cannot open consolekit session : unable to open session : cannot launch daemon file not found or persmission invalid
[10:08] <Guest46886> how can fix that
[10:09] <rork> are you on Natty?
[10:09] <pradeep_> nope am on kubuntu maverick
[10:12] <rork> try if consolekit installed/is installed or check it's file permissions
[10:16] <pradeep_> where do i do that
[10:23] <rork> install with `sudo apt-get install consolekit`, check access rights with `ls -l  /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon`
[10:25] <pradeep_> it say no such file
[10:26] <pradeep_> when i try to ls -l  /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon
[10:26] <pradeep_> rork, did you et that
[10:26] <pradeep_> get**
[10:28] <rork> pradeep_: did you try installing it?
[10:28] <pradeep_> rork, it was already installed
[10:32] <rork> pradeep_: that's strange, if consolekit is installed the file should be there, let's see if some other files from that package are installed: what's the output of `ls /usr/sbin/ck-log*`
[10:33] <pradeep_> rork, ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/ck-log: No such file or directory
[10:33] <nick__> Hello
[10:34] <nick__> new here
[10:34] <rork> pradeep_: did you use the * at the end?
[10:34] <rork> welcome nick__
[10:34] <nick__> Ty how do I get a new name?
[10:34] <pradeep_> rork, same error
[10:34] <rork> nick__: `/nick newnick__` in the irc input field
[10:35] <nick__> WOw am I new. LOL. Sorry. Again?
[10:35] <rork> pradeep_: and `sudo ls -l /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon`
 DOes this work
[10:35] <nick__> Nope I guess it dont
[10:35] <nick__> DOH!
[10:36] <rork> nick__: `/nick nikolassoddfellow`
[10:36] <valorie> nick, the way you do commands in IRC is to start a line with the slash
[10:36] <valorie> so /nick newnick
[10:36] <valorie> will change "nick" to "newnick"
[10:36] <pradeep_> rork, sudo ls -l /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon
[10:37] <pradeep_> rork,ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon: No such file or directory
[10:37] <valorie> excuse me, change your nick, your display name, to "newnick"
[10:37] <nick__> Says UNKNOWN COMMAND
[10:37] <valorie> what IRC app are you using?
[10:37] <rork`> pradeep_: try reinstalling consolekit: `sudo apt-get remove consolekit && sudo apt-get install consolekit`
[10:37] <valorie> the /nick command is pretty standard
[10:37] <nick__> Ohhh man.  I am new here and just changed my nick name
[10:43] <Nikolas> LOL
[10:43] <valorie> welcome, Nikolas
[10:43] <Nikolas> \(cracks fingers and gets to typin")
[10:43] <Nikolas> So now what
[10:43] <Nikolas> :-)
[10:43] <Nikolas> Yawn
[10:43] <FloodBotK3> Nikolas: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:43] <valorie> did you come to just hang out, or ask a question, or what?
[10:44] <valorie> and yes, we have an unfriendly floodbot
[10:44] <Nikolas> Well I had a question about a DPI issue earlier but figured it out
[10:44] <valorie> cool
[10:44] <Nikolas> Now I am here to pretty much get used to the new chat format
[10:44] <valorie> often people just "idle" here
[10:44] <Nikolas> I am rather new to Ubuntu as in only six months into it
[10:44] <Nikolas> Love it so far
[10:44] <valorie> to check out stuff they are interested in, or to learn more
[10:45] <Nikolas> I want to learn about new tricks and fixes and so on
[10:45] <AciD> kwin crashes everytime I play fullscreen 3D and/or flash video, is that a known issue (with intel driver) ?
[10:45] <valorie> IRC is awesome, I've been using it since I was in Windows
[10:45] <valorie> many years ago
[10:45] <Nikolas> SO I am here to  mostly observe but if a casual non Ubuntu chat arises I may join in
[10:45] <AciD> with version 4:4.5.4-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[10:45] <valorie> Nikolas: do you use kubuntu, or ubuntu (gnome)
[10:45] <Nikolas> IRC is the original chat format if I recall correctly
[10:45] <Nikolas> The grand daddy of chat
[10:46] <Nikolas> No?
[10:46] <valorie> pretty much
[10:46] <valorie> it's been around for a long, long time
[10:46] <Nikolas> I use Ubuntu
[10:46] <valorie> before the Internet
[10:46] <valorie> ok, this channel is for Kubuntu, which is KDE on Ubuntu
[10:46] <valorie> so some of the stuff will be the same
[10:47] <Nikolas> DOH! JUst when I thought I had left Tardville I did a full circle and returned
[10:47] <Nikolas> LOL
[10:47] <valorie> the #ubuntu channel is the main ubuntu discussions
[10:47] <valorie> but, there are hundreds of channels on this server
[10:47] <valorie> there is another command to see all of them
[10:47] <Nikolas> How do I find them?
[10:47] <valorie> however, it can slow down your system quite a bit
[10:48] <valorie> so it's best to do: /list searchterm
[10:48] <valorie> if you do: /list ubuntu
[10:48] <valorie> you'll get a list of about 100 ubuntu chnnels
[10:48] <Nikolas> I'll do some online research. ANd you know what. You are awsome! Thank you for not talking down to a newb as most often do in chat rooms.
[10:48] <valorie> channels
[10:48] <valorie> I was there
[10:48] <valorie> people helped me
[10:48] <Nikolas> TY again. I am going to try this all out.
[10:48] <valorie> that's the way it's done in free software
[10:48] <valorie> :-)
[10:49] <valorie> you are most welcome, and have fun!
[10:49] <Nikolas> WIll do my friend. Have a good day (or morning or night depending on where ya are)
[10:49] <Nikolas> Adios
[10:49] <valorie> rather late; just waiting for the dishwasher to finish....
[10:52] <Nikolas> OK I am back.
[10:53] <Nikolas> SO how do I add new chat rooms to the list? I found a sheet on Google @ http://searchirc.com/
[11:01] <Ripiz> Hello
[11:02] <Ripiz> Can anyone help to install Kubuntu 10.10 on kinda old PC?
[11:06] <nickmoeck> Is it possible to have quassel use an external program in an alias?
[11:22] <Ripiz> Can anyone help to install Kubuntu 10.10 on kinda old PC?
[11:22] <rork`> Ripiz: how old and what are the pc's specs: cpu, RAM, graphics card?
[11:24] <Ripiz> It's 9 - 10 years old. Diuron 800 MHz (Pentium 3 equivalent), 256MB RAM, no graphics card, just some integrated chip
[11:25] <rork`> nickmoeck: aliassing to /exec scriptname should do the job
[11:25] <nickmoeck> rork`: Ah, thanks. I totally forgot about /exec
[11:30] <rork`> Ripiz: I maverick the nvidia 96 and 173 drivers are broken. If you try to install on such a system use the alternate install cd and not the desktop installer. I installed kubuntu lucid it on a 1200Mhz, 768MB RAM, Integrated nvidia NForce2 and it gave me a very slow experience, so first you might want to install a lighter desktop interface, e.d.xfce (xubuntu) or lxde (lubuntu). I prefer lubuntu but it's harder to configure then KDE or Gnome. The
[11:30] <rork`>  choice is yours ofc.
[11:31] <rork`> Ubuntu Maverick with Gnome worked fine on the system though, except for the graphics
[11:36] <Ripiz> rork`: Alright, thanks.
[11:36] <nickmoeck> rork`: Would I have to put the script in a particular place? /exec /home/nick/script.sh is not working
[11:39] <rork`> nickmoeck: I don't know, maybe use the complete path
[11:40] <nickmoeck> that is the complete path :) I will tinker with it. Thanks again for your help
[11:40] <rork`> oops, missed that :P
[11:42] <nickmoeck> Solved :) For future reference in case anyone find the log of this channel via google some day, scripts for quassel have to go in /usr/share/kde4/apps/quassel/scripts
[11:55] <Ripiz> I boot Install CD, choose Start Kubuntu, after it I get blue loading screen, takes like 5 minutes to load. Then it turns into black screen, either empty desktop, either desktop with error message. Any workaround for this problem? (P.S. I'm new to Linux)
[11:56]  * nickmoeck is Now Playing: Real World by Matchbox Twenty
[12:14] <rork`> Ripiz: did you use the desktop cd?
[12:16] <Ripiz> Yes
[12:22] <rork`> Ripiz: could be a graphics driver problem, also the desktop install shouldn't be used with less then 512 MB RAM, try the alternate install cd
[13:24] <shane4ubuntu> is the only way to get kde4.5.4 the kubuntu-ppa ?  or is there another route?
[13:25] <rork`> you can download and install it from source if you feel adventurous: http://www.kde.org/info/4.5.4.php
[13:26] <shane4ubuntu> rork`: hmm, not sure I'm that adventurous. :)
[13:27] <shane4ubuntu> I enabled the ppa and had a disaster, so ppa is disabled,
[13:28] <c2tarun> Can anyone please tell me from where can i download kubuntu
[13:28] <shane4ubuntu> c2tarun: www.kubuntu.org  get kubuntu
[13:30] <c2tarun> shane4ubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block   can u tell me how to download kubuntu with gwget from this link?
[13:32] <rork`> c2tarun: 10.10 32 bit?
[13:33] <c2tarun> rork` sorry how to use gwget here?
[13:34] <Ripiz> How long "Configuring man-db" step takes while installing Kubuntu from Alternative CD? I feel like it's not doing anything
[13:35] <rork`> Ripiz: some steps might take quite long, I don't remember which exactly though
[13:36] <c2tarun> rork`: sorry how to use gwget here?
[13:36] <Ripiz> rork`: There's no Hard Drive activity or etc. Could it be dead?
[13:37] <rork`> c2tarun: you can't find the correct url directly on that page, the only thing I can think of is going trough the menu and copy the url from the downloads window. You can also look up the correct url here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[13:59] <walter_> hello. I have trouble changing my screen size
[14:00] <walter_> it returns to its previous size when I restart my computer
[14:00] <walter_> any help?
[14:02] <rork`> walter_: I'm aware of that problem but the default size is fine for me, let me have a look
[14:03] <slhk> you could set it in /etc/xorg.conf but maybe there is a more friendly solution
[14:05] <slhk> or try out krandr
[14:05] <walter_> ok, I'll try
[14:05] <walter_> krandr?
[14:06] <slhk> it's a system tray application which allows you to change screen size and rotation
[14:07] <slhk> like you do in system settings, but it's more easily accessible if you use if offen
[14:08] <walter_> el archivo xorg dentro de  etc/x11 no existe
[14:08] <walter_> xorg file does not exist within etc/x11
[14:08] <slhk> the full name is KRandRTray, but I think the package is called just krandr
[14:09] <walter_> I can run commo root? with kdesudo krand
[14:10] <slhk> it should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf be warned that if you put something wrong there you can get stuck with a non-working X server
[14:11] <slhk> krandrtray you shuldn't need to be root
[14:11] <walter_> okay but xorg.config
[14:12] <rork`> also /etc/X11/xorg.conf usually isn't installed by default, some drivers install it and it will be used if it's there
[14:12] <walter_> in my kubuntu
[14:12] <walter_> dont exist
[14:13] <magmalinux> quit
[14:15] <walter_> sorry for my English is very basic
[14:16] <magmalinux> personaly i use ubuntu not kubuntu but normaly it's the same i use the "Gestionnaire de paquet synaptic" for installing a softawre ( i use the soft of Kde in ubuntu with no problems ) :D
[14:16] <walter_> etc/x11 look in the folder. and the xorg.conf file is not there
[14:17] <magmalinux> or i use "logithèque ubuntu" in application menu ;) its work fine :D
[14:17] <slhk> you can create it "kdesudo kate  /etc/X11/xorg.conf" use "man xorg.conf" as a reference you can find many examples on the web, still remember about the warning!
[14:18] <slhk> if you do a mistake and the X server won't start anymore you will be left with just the text consolle
[14:18] <magmalinux> chromium web browser work fine but firefox have more speed
[14:19] <slhk> in your case the easy fix would be to delete the xorg.conf file
[14:19] <magmalinux> I never touch the x.conf file it's so risky :D
[14:25] <walter_> thank you all. I'll try
[14:44] <JuJuBee> Why does apach2 on ubuntu prompt me to download php file instead of processing? I did sudo a2enmod php5 and sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 and restarted apache. Still no luck
[14:54] <slhk> JuJuBee: in which sequence? you may want to do a2enmod php5 after having installed php
[14:55] <Ripiz> Finally it's done installing! Thank you rork`. But I have some horrible horizontal noise >.>
[14:59] <JuJuBee> slhk: I did that
[15:00] <slhk> JuJuBee: then it looks like a problem with mime-types to me, do the files have .php extension?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:03] <JuJuBee> slhk: yes
[15:21] <njin> Hello to all, i've to report a bug against the screensaver, but i don't know the package of it, is it kdeartwork?
[15:23] <geekosopher> njin: I believe you got the answer on another channel
[15:24] <rork`> Ripiz: try installing your video drivers in: Kickoff > System > Additional Drivers if I remember it right
[15:26] <Ripiz> rork`: Will that work if internet connection isn't available?
[15:26] <rork`> Ripiz: no
[15:28] <Ripiz> It doesn't run very well, feels like I'm trying to run Vista. Any way to decrease memory usage?
[15:32] <macjesson> hello
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hi
[15:35] <Nie___> hi
[15:36] <Nie___> when I try connecting to an irc network via quassel, nothing happens
[15:36] <Nie___> I see no attempt on connecting
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Nie___, which server are you trying to connect
[15:37] <Nie___> BlusKaj: KottNet and QuakeNet
[15:37] <BluesKaj> did you specify a channel ?
[15:38] <Nie___> I can't even connect to the Network
[15:39] <Nie___> So i don't
[15:42] <Ripiz> Mhm... Amarok took exactly 17 minutes to start up, awesome
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Nie___, have you tied other irc clients , like konversation or xchat. I think you need to check your server settings in quassel first tho.
[15:43] <rork`> Ripiz: shut down services you don't need, use light software, see e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[15:44] <Nie___> Blueskaj: In the notifications is written that i got a private message, but i can't connec
[15:44] <Nie___> Blueskaj: In the notifications is written that i got a private message, but i can't connect*
[15:44] <BluesKaj> !quassel | Nie___
[15:44] <Nie___> Blueskaj: But thanks, i try xchat now
[15:45] <BluesKaj> strange , I though quassel was the default irc client
[15:45] <Nie___> It is
[15:46] <BluesKaj> personally I prefer konversation , it's a bit more work , but very configurable
[15:51] <serenity> hi
[15:51] <serenity> is there no more package called kde-devel?
[15:53] <rork`> serenity: no, the last version it was available in is lucid: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kde-devel&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[15:53] <serenity> oh
[15:53] <serenity> that might explain it ;)
[15:54] <rork`> it's a metapackage so you can check the dependencies in lucid and install them :)
[15:55] <serenity> did so
[15:55] <serenity> thanks
[15:55] <serenity> thought i would consists of more packages, but so it's easy
[16:13] <noren> hello all, I am from India, looking for a paid support of ubuntu server in india, any advice please
[16:16] <DarthFrog> !in | noren
[16:16] <genii-around> Bah. Installer doesn't like that I have Meego on my netbook, wants to wipe everything. Maybe it can't resize BTFRS
[16:17] <noren> thanks DarthFrog
[16:17] <george_> hello friends. I have a ubuntu 10.10 and recentrly installed kde, wich I've decided to use from now on. Question is: why some apps look like gnome like chrome, foxit etc? Any way to fix this? Thanks in advance
[16:20] <rork`> george_: some software use GTK as graphical interface rather then the KDE native QT. You can set the GTK theme in System Settings > Appearance > GTK+ Appearance
[16:20] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I have some tinker time and wanted to upgrade my kde to 4.5.6 via the ppa last time I tried it was disasterous, I have some ppa installed, but am not sure what caused the entire rucus anyone out there that can help?  yofel_   ?  or someone?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> george_, some apps are gtkbased (gnome) , others are Qt (kde mostly) as for chrome it doesn't integrate at al with kde , and foxi is the same I suppose
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> here is the dilemna once I enable to kubuntu-ppa repo, update and use aptitude to try and upgrade:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/549880/
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> I didn't do anything because last time it took me quite a bit of time to get it straightened back out.
[16:25] <george_> Thanks rork' and BluesKaj.
[16:27] <c2tarun> I m using ubuntu 10.04. I want to format and install a fresh copy of kubuntu 10.04. I have two drives and I dont want to loose data in those two drives. Can anyone tell me how to format?
[16:28] <shane4ubuntu> c2tarun: did you put /home on a separate partition?
[16:28] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: What is on those two drives?  How are they partitioned?
[16:28] <c2tarun> actually Sorry, I have three partitions. On one ubuntu is installed. I have my personal files on those two drives.
[16:29] <c2tarun> and I installed ubuntu on whole drive. Then rebooted with live CD and partitioned using gparted.
[16:31] <DarthFrog> OK, let me get this straight:  You have your /home directory on two drives and your Ubuntu system on a third drive?
[16:31] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: My home directory and ubuntu is on same drive. On other two drives, I have movies and songs and other stuffs
[16:32] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: How are those other two drives mounted?
[16:32] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: how can i check that?
[16:33] <DarthFrog> And how big is your /home directory?
[16:33] <DarthFrog> Well, how do you access the data drives in Kubuntu?
[16:34] <c2tarun> I dont have kubuntu now, I have ubuntu. and i simply click on Places and Click on the drive name. My home directory is around 4GB
[16:35] <DarthFrog> And how big is the hard drive that you have Ubuntu installed upon?
[16:35] <c2tarun> 30 GB
[16:37] <DarthFrog> OK, that drive is the one only you need to touch.  You don't need to do anything with the two data drives.  First, if you have any data that you really care about, make a backup of it before starting.  Secondly, copy your /home directory to one of the data drives (as a backup, as you'll be re-partitioning your system drive).
[16:38] <c2tarun> I allready copied my important stuffs to other drives. I copied Important stuffs from my home drive too. Do i have to copy whole home folder?
[16:38] <genii-around> Will the 64bit install CD still auto-detect and install the netbook edition? My cpu is an Atom N450 which uses 64 bit instruction set
[16:38] <DarthFrog> Boot the 10.10 LiveCD and install the new system to your system drive.  Use the partitioner to re-partition the 30 gig system drive to 3 partitions: one is 2x the size of your RAM and is your swap partition, the second is about 10 GB and is your / partition.  The last one is the rest of the drive and is to be mounted as /home.
[16:39] <DarthFrog> c2tarun:  Copy everything on your home folder that you care about.
[16:40] <DarthFrog> Then, after the new system is installed, copy your old /home back to the new one.  This way, in future youi'll only ever have to deal with the / partition again.
[16:40] <c2tarun> I guess I already have a swap partition for ubuntu. Can't I use that?
[16:40] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[16:40] <c2tarun> I am not getting about the concept of second and third partition. Can you explain a bit please?
[16:41] <DarthFrog> One drive, three partitions.
[16:41] <DarthFrog> Swap, root and home partitions.
[16:41] <c2tarun> sorry to ask this :( but what is the difference between drive and partition?
[16:42] <DarthFrog> OK, you shouldn't be doing this, if you don't know.  In a nutshell, partitions are sub-divisions of a drive.
[16:42] <rjwiii> I plugged in my printer and the applet appeared, but my printer isn't there ...
[16:44] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: What you are attempting to do requires more than basic knowledge and experience.  Please get an experienced, knowledgeble friend to help you.
[16:44] <c2tarun> normally when i try to select any drive during ubuntu install, i always get an error of boot drive not selected. So what i use to do is, free some space using gparted, then during installation i get the option of use the largest unpartitioned space. I select that and done. But i guess its not the right way. So can you please tell me something about the error 'boot drive not selected'.
[16:45] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: The biggest problem is :( i m the only one among my friends, who use linux. No one know anything about it :(
[16:47] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: In your case, the easiest thing would be to unplug the two data drives from the computer (if the system can't see them, it can't overwrite them!), then re-install Ubuntu, letting it have the whole drive.
[16:47] <tsimpson> genii-around: afaik, the netbook edition is 32bit only
[16:48] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: U are getting it wrong. I m using a Laptop. I have three partitions on one drive. I can't unplug anyone of them
[16:48] <DarthFrog> Or do an upgrade in place.  Ask on the #Ubuntu channel how to do that - this is #Kubuntu.
[16:48] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: Ah.  That's not what you told me.
[16:48] <genii-around> tsimpson: Well, some version is currently installing from the 64 bit CD now... After a reboot I guess I'll know more
[16:49] <DarthFrog> !upgrade ! c2tarun
[16:49] <tsimpson> genii-around: are you installing from the normal install CD, or the netbook install CD?
[16:49] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: Actually i tried to told u correctly, but due to my lack of knowledge i failed to explain sorry
[16:49] <DarthFrog> !upgrade | c2tarun
[16:49] <genii-around> tsimpson: According to the official Kubuntu documentation, netbook edition is now automatically installed from regular CD if it finds right hardware
[16:50] <tsimpson> hmm
[16:50] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: Follow the instructions there.  That'll be the safest way and will preserve all your data (but that's no substitute for a proper backup).
[16:51] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: my ubuntu is overbloated due to installations of many packages. I really wanted to remove it and reinstall it. Can you refer me any link that can explain me installation concepts?
[16:52] <DarthFrog> !install | c2tarun
[16:52] <c2tarun> !automate
[16:52] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: thanks :)
[16:52] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: After reading those links, if you have any questions, ask them on #Ubuntu, not here.  This is for Kubuntu, not Ubuntu.
[16:53] <c2tarun> actually i wanted to install kubuntu on place of ubuntu so i asked here. anyway thanks a lot :)
[16:53] <DarthFrog> c2tarun: As in, we know Kubuntu best.  Not so much Ubuntu itself.
[16:54] <DarthFrog> Aha!  Good stuff.  Welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
[16:54] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: Is there much diff between ubuntu and kubuntu except desktop env?
[16:54] <DarthFrog> No.
[16:54] <genii-around> tsimpson: It's on the reboot phase now
[16:55] <c2tarun> I liked KDE very much so I decided to switch to kubuntu completely :)
[16:55] <DarthFrog> There are some differences in the system utilities but nothing much.
[16:55] <DarthFrog> !kubuntu | c2tarun
[16:55] <shane4ubuntu> DarthFrog? Light Side of the Force?  That just sounds funny coming from DARTHfrog. :)
[16:56] <c2tarun> DarthFrog: ok Thanks :)
[16:56] <DarthFrog> hehe, I guess so.  I never really thought of it before. :-)
[16:56] <DarthFrog> shane4ubuntu: I'm a convert from the Sith. :-)
[16:56] <shane4ubuntu> I'm a convert from the Gnome. ;)
[16:57]  * DarthFrog was using KDE before there was a GNU Object Model Environment. :-)
[16:57] <shane4ubuntu> Although I still like Gnome, so perhaps I'm a spy. :)
[16:57] <DarthFrog> Eh, they're tools, not religious choices.
[16:58] <shane4ubuntu> agreed, and I really like the way KDE is shapping up.
[16:58] <DarthFrog> So do I.
[16:58] <shane4ubuntu> kde4 that is
[16:58] <tsimpson> DarthFrog: GNU Network Object Mode Environment
[16:58] <genii-around> tsimpson: Installed regular x86_64 desktop
[16:58] <tsimpson> never did make sense, but what do you expect from GNU
[16:58] <Taravel> hi how can I reset all the desktop panel to the original form? My girlfiend made a disaster deleting the principal kubuntu panel.
[16:58] <DarthFrog> tsimpson: AKA GNOME.  They had the acronym first, then went searching for an expansion. :-)
[16:59] <shane4ubuntu> tsimpson: they write programs not names. :)
[16:59] <DarthFrog> They had an acronym and an icon before they had a name. :-)
[16:59] <tsimpson> DarthFrog: I mean, you missed "Network" from the acronym
[16:59] <shane4ubuntu> lol
[16:59] <tsimpson> shane4ubuntu: but they do have a think for odd acronyms
[16:59] <tsimpson> *thing
[17:00] <DarthFrog> tsimpson: So I did. :-)  It was a test.  You passed.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[17:00] <BluesKaj> Taravel, right click on the desktop , add panel, then you you'll have to use the add widgets option to fix the panel to your liking
[17:00] <shane4ubuntu> Taravel: you can add the panel, just right click, and then on the panel add the widgets that are gone, if you are missing menu, then put the menu back up
[17:00] <shane4ubuntu> lol
[17:00] <DarthFrog> Taravel: Install a new panel widget, then configure it as you wish.
[17:03] <Taravel> mmm the problem is that My girlfriend is unable to do this thing because it is difficult to explain by phone... :( can she cancel .kde folder?
[17:03] <tsimpson> Taravel: you can reset all the plasma settings by removing the ~/.kde/share/plasma*rc files
[17:04] <tsimpson> the names have changed a bit over time so there may be 1 or many
[17:04] <tsimpson> er, ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*rc
[17:04] <DarthFrog> Taravel:  Right click on the desktop, click on Add Panel, click on Default Panel is difficult?
[17:06] <Taravel> mmm there isn't default panel
[17:06] <Taravel> she has kubuntu 10.04
[17:07] <DarthFrog> Hmm, I'm running KDE 4.6.  It has Add Default Panel.
[17:07] <tsimpson> never assume people always have the latest everything ;)
[17:07] <DarthFrog> tsimpson: I didn't realise that it was a novelty. :-)
[17:10] <shane4ubuntu> what kde is she running?  cause I have 4.5.1 and it has that option.
[17:10] <tsimpson> 4.4.2 is the default in lucid
[17:12] <DarthFrog> Even so, just adding a panel isn't hard.
[17:13] <tsimpson> sure, an empty useless panel :)
[17:13] <DarthFrog> It's not exactly a Sisiphyean labour to populate an empty panel. :-)
[17:14] <DarthFrog> Drag 'n drop widgets.  Easy-peasy.
[17:15] <Taravel> ok she deleted all ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*rc files and alla worked well!!! Thank you very much!
[17:15] <DarthFrog> Good to know that worked.  I'll have to remember that.
[17:24] <sresu_> valorie: Side menu?
[17:26] <sresu_> valorie: You mean information panel in dolphin? If that's what you mean it doesn't allow adding description
[17:35] <JeroenDeDauw> I want to access the internet by SSH'ing from my desktop machine to my laptop. I have sshd up and running on my latop and can login. Any pointers to docs on how to tunnel interwebs access would be very helpful :)
[17:36] <Daskreech> EvilRoey: Back back You spawn of darkness and shadows!
[17:37] <DarthFrog> JeroenDeDauw: If you pass the "-Y" parameter to ssh, it'll forward X output to your machine.
[17:37] <DarthFrog> i.e. ssh -Y -l ...
[17:38] <JeroenDeDauw> DarthFrog: Thanks, will give that a try.
[17:55] <EvilRoey> Daskreech:  nevahhhhhhh!!!!!! I have darthanubis, DarthFrog and DarkriftX on my side.
[17:55] <EvilRoey> so there.
[17:56] <EvilRoey> but then meph stepped in, and things changed..
[17:57] <DarthFrog> Does anyone have any idea how to *slow down* a rsync transfer?  I have hundreds of gigs to transfer and I'd like to not use all the bandwidth.
[17:59] <yofel> DarthFrog: what did you try so far?
[17:59] <DarthFrog> yofel: Reading the man page. :-)
[17:59] <yofel> (there is --bwlimit but I never tried it)
[17:59] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: periodically plug out the Cat5?
[17:59] <yofel> LOL
[17:59] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: hehe. the servers are downtown.  I'm not.
[18:00] <Daskreech> ifdown :)
[18:00] <DarthFrog> Ah, --bwlimit.  that sounds just the ticket.
[18:00] <Daskreech> man rsync should help though
[18:00] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: You're very .... helpful.  Aren't you.
[18:01] <Daskreech> Daskreech --help
[18:01] <Daskreech> Fatchance!!
[18:01] <DarthFrog> yofel: Thanks, that's working.
[18:01] <yofel> :)
[18:02]  * Daskreech wonders if you can run rsync perpendicularly on the same file across two interfaces to get twice the speed
[18:05] <DarthFrog> Daskreech:  Let us know the outcome.  :-)
[18:05] <Daskreech> I have two interfaces but unfortunately not two ISPs so that's capped
[18:06] <Daskreech> I can probably try it at work
[18:06] <Daskreech> would need a fairly large file though
[18:06] <Daskreech> have they started distributing Debian on bluRay yet?
[18:06] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: I should think that an ISO of a DVD would be more than sufficient for your purpose.
[18:07] <DarthFrog> And if it isn't, I want your net connection! :-)
[18:07] <Daskreech> :-)
[18:14] <genii-around> Daskreech: Seeing as they are against proprietary formats etc, I don't see Debian being distributed on BluRay anytime soon
[18:16] <DarthFrog> genii-around: I would think that, Blu-Ray being a video format, you're correct.  But Blu-Ray as a data format?
[18:17] <Daskreech> genii-around: how is BluRay any different from a DVD ?
[18:18] <genii-around> For straight data usage their policy might be different
[18:43] <rjwiii> My printer isn't printing ... Epson CX5800F ... Installed through printer setup and test pages print form setup. cannot get print from applications ... any ideas?
[18:45] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: See http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115128.msg251744#msg251744
[18:56] <rtdos> is there a way to add custom templates to kate ?
[18:57] <KF7MTE> rtdos: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdesdk/kate/kate-application-plugin-filetemplate.html
[18:59] <KF7MTE> rtdos, you have to get the kate template plugin.
[19:01] <rtdos> oh, ok. thanks. KF7MTE
[19:14] <KF7MTE> np
[19:14] <Pawel__P> wow, never thought so many people use kubuntu
[19:14] <Pawel__P> :)
[19:16] <rork> To cheer you up: there are probably a lot more then just in this channel ;)
[19:18] <Pawel__P> just tried to be controversial
[19:19] <yofel> Pawel__P: this is a support channel, idle chatter is in #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[19:19] <Pawel__P> thx for support then :)
[20:54] <Khaotic> kubuntu isnt starting for me
[20:54] <zeno> how do i force a fsck on reboot?
[20:55] <Khaotic> any reasons as to why it wont start up?
[20:57] <yofel> zeno: sudo touch /forcefsck
[20:57] <Khaotic> anyone?
[20:57] <zeno> thanks
[20:57] <yofel> Khaotic: till what point do you get?
[20:57] <zeno> yofel: already tried that though, and dont see it fscking when i reboot :\
[20:58] <Khaotic> til the actual login attempt
[20:58] <Khaotic> like i get the login screen but when i try to login, it just goes to blank screen
[20:58] <zeno> is there a way to manually do it?  when i try to umount /dev/sdc5 in the root recovery console it says its busy
[20:58] <yofel> zeno: that's the file mountall looks for though. See /etc/init/mountall.conf
[21:01] <zeno> Unable to mount Ubuntu 10.10 i386
[21:01] <zeno> Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[21:01] <zeno> mount: /dev/sr0 already mounted or /media/Ubuntu 10.10 i386 busy
[21:01] <Khaotic> so...
[21:01] <zeno> seems my cd drive is broken?  was gonna try to boot into live cd to try
[21:01] <yofel> Khaotic: hm... can you press ctrl+alt+f2, log in, and run 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_bak' to see if moving your configuration out of the way helps?
[21:02] <yofel> zeno: that's on live disk boot o.O?
[21:02] <zeno> when i pop it in the tray now
[21:02] <Khaotic> yes
[21:02] <zeno> wont boot from the live cd
[21:03] <Khaotic> once i move it, now what/
[21:04] <Khaotic> yoann21
[21:04] <zeno> cp: cannot open `.minecraft/saves/World1/1/0/c.1.0.dat' for reading: Input/output error < example of errors im getting
[21:05] <yofel> Khaotic: log out from there, switch back to login screen with ctrl+alt+f7 or f8 and try to login again
[21:05] <Khaotic> said something about virtualbox on f7
[21:07] <yofel> oh, you're in virtualbox...
[21:07] <Khaotic> no
[21:07] <Khaotic> if i am idk y
[21:07] <yofel> ah, nvm, try ctrl+alt+f8
[21:08] <Khaotic> well i just went back to the cmdline and reboot
[21:08] <Khaotic> i tried this time and now im at a black screen
[21:08] <Khaotic> earlier i was having problems with kwin
[21:09] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, please stay around for a while so others get a chance to answer if the come back later
[21:10] <Khaotic> im scared
[21:17] <GinoMan_> Maybe someone in here can help me, I'm trying to transfer files from one hard drive to another, I have the old one mounted under /media/ and a symlink called /old/
[21:17] <GinoMan_> and the new one mounted under /media/ and a symlink called /new/
[21:20] <GinoMan_> for some reason, when I try to ls /old/home/, I get one file .directory
[21:20] <GinoMan_> and nothing else
[21:20] <GinoMan_> I checked the other folders /bin /usr /etc and all of them are virtually empty
[21:23] <hrbllv> test
[21:40] <Khaotic> anyone?
[21:51] <Snowhog> Khaotic: Reboot, and from the Grub menu, choose to boot into the recovery kernel. After you are logged in, type: df -h and see how much of your root partition is used.
[21:52] <Khaotic> how do i get grub?
[21:52] <James147> Khaotic: hold shift during the boot to force grubs menu to appear
[21:53] <rtdos> what's the difference between virtualbox and virtualbox ose ?
[21:54] <Snowhog> rtdos: See http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[21:54] <Khaotic> james
[21:54] <James147> rtdos: ^^ i think the ose is the opensource edition... as far as I know it wont contain any closed source parts (although that is mostly just a guess)
[21:54] <Khaotic> which linux kernel??
[21:55] <James147> Khaotic: probally the latest one... :) unless you have a reason not to
[21:55] <Snowhog> Khaotic: In the displayed Grub menu, it will be the second one from the top.
[21:56]  * James147 notes that he didnt hear Khaotic original question ^^
[22:00] <Khaotic> Snowhog which recovery menu to select
[22:01] <Snowhog> Khaotic: The second item in the Grub menu.
[22:02] <Khaotic> clean?
[22:02] <Khaotic> Snowhog
[22:04] <Snowhog> Khaotic: It will look like Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.35-24-generic (recovery mode) but the numbers might be different for you.
[22:05] <Khaotic> well im at some kind of recovery menu
[22:07] <Khaotic> Snowhog k i see the partitions
[22:17] <Snowhog> Khaotic: And?  That isn't bad. You have enough unused space on the root partition, so your problem isn't related to that.
[22:19] <Snowhog> Khaotic: What is your login user name>
[22:19] <Snowhog> *name?
[22:19] <Khaotic> stephon
[22:19] <Khaotic> y
[22:21] <Snowhog> Khaotic: Okay, type: cat /home/stephony/.dmrc and tell me what Session= shows
[22:22] <Khaotic> give me a few
[22:23] <Khaotic> wat does cat do
[22:23] <Snowhog> Khaotic: cat=concatenate. Equivilant to the type command in Windows.
[22:24] <Khaotic> meaning
[22:24] <Khaotic> is it like nano?
[22:26] <James147> Khaotic: cat will concatenate files and print them to the stdout by default... useful for just printing files to stdout :)
[22:26] <James147> Khaotic: nano is a text editor used for editing files
[22:26] <Khaotic> o
[22:28] <Khaotic> session=default
[22:28] <Snowhog> Khaotic: Okay. As it should be, so again, that isn't what's causing your problem.
[22:28] <James147> Khaotic: what problem are you having btw?
[22:29] <Khaotic> when i try to login, the screen freezes
[22:29] <Khaotic> it doesnt even try to lead the kde
[22:29] <James147> Khaotic: could you create a new user (sudo adduser USERNAME) and try logging in with them?
[22:31] <Snowhog> James147: Better to have Khaotic remove the quiet and splash from the boot kernel line and try again.
[22:31] <James147> Snowhog: if tis a login problem, not a kdm starting problem i dont see how that would help much?
[22:32] <Snowhog> James147: Hmm. Of course. If he is getting to the KDM login screen.
[22:32] <James147> ^^ I would test a new user first and see if its a config file error in the home directory, (if the new user works then it almost certainly is)
[22:33] <Khaotic> ok
[22:33] <Khaotic> i added a user
[22:33] <Khaotic> now what?
[22:33] <James147> Khaotic: try logging in as them from kdm
[22:34] <Khaotic> how
[22:34] <Khaotic> restart the computer?
[22:34] <James147> Khaotic: the same way you login with your normal user... yes you need to boot into the full system
[22:38] <Khaotic> James147 Snowhog it gave me a black screen
[22:38] <Snowhog> Khaotic: Did you log in using the new user?
[22:38] <James147> Khaotic: hmm, so a system problem then probally
[22:38] <Khaotic> :(
[22:38] <Khaotic> nooooooooooooo
[22:38] <Khaotic> now what?
[22:38] <James147> Khaotic: first thing: try installing kubuntu-desktop
[22:39] <James147> (that will make sure you have all the required packages for kde)
[22:39] <Khaotic> so reboot into recovery?
[22:39] <James147> Khaotic: no
[22:39] <Khaotic> ctrl alt f2
[22:39] <FloridaGuy> where's is all the different iso mirrors for kubuntu
[22:39] <James147> Khaotic: press alt+crtl+F1 to switch to a virtual console
[22:40] <James147> Khaotic: (or f2 willl work as well, use alt+ctrl +F7 to get back to the gui)
[22:40] <Khaotic> wow
[22:41] <Khaotic> 47 newly installedf
[22:41] <Khaotic> wtf
[22:41] <Khaotic> i got an error
[22:41] <James147> Khaotic: then login to the virtual console and type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" (note thatyou need to be connected to the internet)
[22:41] <FloridaGuy> found it
[22:41] <James147> Khaotic: what error?
[22:42] <Khaotic> unable to fetch archives, maybe run apt-get update
[22:42] <Khaotic> or try with --fix-missing
[22:42] <James147> Khaotic: are you connnected to the internet? (ping -c 3 www.google.com to check)
[22:43] <Khaotic> nope
[22:43] <Khaotic> why not!?!?!?!?
[22:43] <James147> Khaotic: ok, do you ahve a wired or wireless connection?
[22:43] <Khaotic> wireless
[22:43] <James147> can you connect to a wired network (it makes things allot easier)?
[22:43] <Khaotic> errr
[22:44] <Khaotic> id have to unplug the 20 foot ethernet cord from my xbox
[22:44] <Khaotic> give me a few
[22:44] <Khaotic> actually
[22:44] <James147> Khaotic: might be easier and quicker then trying to connect wirelessly via a console :)
[22:45] <Khaotic> k done
[22:45] <Khaotic> k we good
[22:45] <Khaotic> now do it?
[22:45] <James147> Khaotic: check to see if your connected ^^
[22:45] <Khaotic> i am
[22:45] <James147> then try to install kubuntu-desktop if you are
[22:45] <Khaotic> wow...47 new installs
[22:46] <James147> Khaotic: yeah, sounds like a broken upgrade or something removed kubuntu-desktop... once its installed again then try to log in
[22:47]  * James147 notes that it is generally safe to remove kubuntu-desktop (its only a meta package), but it can cause problems and break upgrades
[22:48] <Khaotic> so those missing packages are the problem James147 ?
[22:48] <James147> Khaotic: I would have said so, but trying to loging after they are installed should tell you if somehting else is wrong :)
[22:49] <Khaotic> k
[22:51] <Khaotic> k installed
[22:51] <Khaotic> now restartt?
[22:51] <James147> Khaotic: shouldnt need to
[22:52] <James147> Khaotic: at most all you need to do is restart kdm (though i would think you dont even need to do that
[22:52] <Khaotic> i do
[22:52] <James147> sudo restart kdm    will do that
[22:52] <Khaotic> yay
[22:53] <Khaotic> it's loggin it
[22:53] <Khaotic> i think when the applications and shit crashed earlier, they some how got uninstalled
[22:53] <Khaotic> whats kdewallet?
[22:54] <James147> Khaotic: crashing applications shouldnt uninstall programs :s ... well kpackagekit or the updater might break things :p
[22:54] <James147> Khaotic: kwallet (not sure if kdewallet is the same) handels passwords for various kde programs
[22:55] <Khaotic> yeh thats it
[22:55] <James147> (like the network manager, rekonq, etc)
[22:56] <Snowhog> James147: Nice job.
[22:56] <Khaotic> also
[22:56] <James147> Snowhog: :)
[22:56] <Khaotic> any clue why the session came back up?
[22:57] <Snowhog> Khaotic: Because that's what you had when everything when to crap.
[22:57] <Khaotic> even though i cut the pc off many times
[22:57] <James147> Khaotic: what do you mean? programs auto loaded? kde auto loads any program that was running when you shut down (you can turn this off)
[22:57] <mudassar_> Hello kubuntu people, I have installed lampp and when i start it, it says "Cannot run MySQL", I have seen with the command "apt-cache show mysql-server | grep Version" that multiple versions of mysql are installed. I don't know which one belongs to lampp and how to uninstall the others ?
[22:57] <James147> ^^ and allot of kde programs auto restore their state when launched
[22:58] <Khaotic> o
[22:58] <James147> mudassar_: how are you running lamp?
[22:58] <mudassar_> /opt/lamp/lamp start
[22:59] <James147> ^^ mudassar_any reason your not using the version from the repos?
[22:59] <mudassar_> I installed lamp using apt-get
[23:00] <mudassar_> and I don't know where did the other mysql servers come from
[23:00] <James147> mudassar_: ^^ cant find the package lamp :S and /opt isnt a location it would be installed
[23:01] <James147> mudassar_: easiest way to install a lamp server is by running "sudo tasksel" and selecting the lamp server package
[23:01] <mudassar_> I don't know whether it will remove the other installations of mysql or not if I remove lampp and again install it
[23:02] <James147> mudassar_: i would remove the version you installed any use the above method to install it
[23:02] <James147> (never had any problems doing it that way)
[23:03] <mudassar_> so should I do apt-get remove lampp ?
[23:03] <mudassar_> and install it again with your way
[23:03] <Programmer_> thanks guys
[23:03] <Programmer_> this is khaotic
[23:03] <James147> mudassar_: if thats how you installed it...
[23:04] <Snowhog> Programmer_: So, problem solved? Happy camper?
[23:04] <mudassar_> no i guess it was not installed like this ........ because it is not able to uninstall it using apt-get remove lampp
[23:06] <mudassar_> then what to do
[23:06] <James147> mudassar_: its probally safe to remove the /opt/lamp derectory then (assuming noting you need is in it) ^^ but knowing the way you installed it and follooing any uninstall measures is safer
[23:06] <Programmer_> very happy camper
[23:07] <mudassar_> I downloaded it from apachefriends
[23:07] <mudassar_> let me see
[23:08] <Snowhog> Programmer_: You can delete the new user you created - it isn't needed anymore - unless you want to keep it around.
[23:08] <Programmer_> oh yeah
[23:08] <Programmer_> i new i forgot to do something
[23:08] <Snowhog> Programmer_: Of course, you need to do that while you are logged in under your normal user.
[23:08] <James147> :) yeah, always forget that bit
[23:09] <mudassar_> their website also says "To uninstall type    rm -rf /opt/lampp
[23:09] <mudassar_> :)
[23:09] <Programmer_> i kno
[23:09] <Programmer_> i am
[23:09] <Programmer_> thank you guys once again
[23:10] <Snowhog> Programmer_: Are you doing periodic 'cleanup' of your downloaded packages: sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean
[23:11] <Programmer_> yes
[23:11] <Programmer_> i did a few today
[23:11] <Programmer_> because it said i should
[23:12] <Programmer_> thats what screwed up my pc i think
[23:12] <Snowhog> Programmer_: Good. This ensures that your /root partition doesn't fill up to the point that you can't log in.
[23:14] <James147> Programmer_: ^^ you should make sure that kubuntu-desktop is installed after doing an autoremove :)
[23:14] <Programmer_> how
[23:14]  * James147 hasent done a apt-get clean in along time... and goes off to see how large the cache has gotten
[23:15] <Snowhog> Programmer_: Just run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop again. If it's installed, you'll be told it is.
[23:15] <James147> Programmer_: reinstalling it is the simplest way :)
[23:15] <James147> ^^ and if it isent installed it will install it again
[23:15] <James147> (by reinstall, i dont mean an actual reinstall but what Snowhog said)
[23:16] <Programmer_> k
[23:25] <eradicus> I have created a bootable usb using pendrive linux and kubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso, the problem is the video doesn't work after grub, a black screen is shown all through out.
[23:29]  * James147 suggests using usb-creator if you already have a *ubuntu install or unetbootin otherwise to create the live cd
[23:30] <James147> eradicus: i dont know for sure, but that problem suggest to be that grub isnt booting the kernel i highly suggest trying to use one of the above programs to create a live usb
[23:31] <eradicus> James147, the usb boots fine but it doesn't show anything after grub
[23:32] <Snowhog> eradicus: Remove the quiet and splash options from the kernel line and continue the boot. What is the last messasge displayed?
[23:32] <eradicus> but I can see the activity in the drive, and it shuts down properly when I press the power key for a short time, meaning the kernel loaded successfully and I can hear the sound
[23:32] <James147> eradicus: i still suggest trying unetbootin or   usbcreator... and thats what i said, grub isnt booting the kernal
[23:34] <James147> eradicus: hmm
[23:34] <eradicus> let me try removing the quiet and splash
[23:35]  * James147 still sugget trying unetbootin or usbcreator, he has never had a problem with them and many many problems with pendrive linux's instructions
[23:35] <eradicus> thanks James147 will try that also if removing the options won't work
[23:35] <eradicus> i.e. quiet and splash
[23:37] <James147> ^^ another simple approch if your on a unix computer is to use dd to copy the image to the drive directly :)
[23:41] <Daskreech> hi James147
[23:41] <James147> Hey Daskreech
[23:42] <Daskreech> What's up?
[23:43] <James147> Daskreech: not much, recoding one of my applications :)
[23:54] <Daskreech> James147: Which applications do you have?
[23:57] <James147> Daskreech: Currently kpassgen and kdicegen are mine ^^ though i keep planning more and never getting around to them :p
[23:58] <Daskreech> sounds like me an kscreensaver
[23:58] <James147> Daskreech: ^^ nop, never done a screensaver (dont use them either, think they are a waste of power :P )
[23:59] <Daskreech> I don't use them either but they are fascinating learning tools
[23:59] <Daskreech> Well in FOSS they are


[07:38] <Takyoji> It would be wonderful if I could find a straightforward method for DVRing from my TV tuner card.
[07:39] <Takyoji> I can only really watch and control my TV tuner card in tvtime; I have difficulties within VLC. Additionally, the audio is separate, there's an audio output on the TV tuner card that I have looped to a Line In port on my motherboard.
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> dd if=/dev/tv0 of=/home/takyoji/Videos/ScrubsSes4Ep12.raw
[07:40] <Takyoji> and for the audio?
[07:40] <Takyoji> Otherwise it appears as /dev/video0
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> same thing!  Combine it later.
[07:41]  * tonyyarusso is (mostly) kidding
[07:41] <Takyoji> So it's as simple as using dd then?
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> I have no idea.
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> it might be
[08:56] <kermit> dd is overrated
[08:56]  * kermit prefers cat
[09:00] <Takyoji> Even though binary information wouldn't be all that useful to see. :P
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> Bah.  I have 199 ebooks on my reader.  Now I can't go to bed until I find one more.
[09:18] <kermit> Takyoji: see what binary information?
[09:18] <kermit> i cant asssociate that statement with anything said
[09:45] <Takyoji> Of tonyyarusso suggesting to use dd for saving raw binary output from my TV tuner card video output.
[21:33] <kermit> i'm still confused
[21:34] <kermit> all video would be binary
[22:56] <Takyoji> Using 'cat' displays the information being copied, correct?
[22:59] <kermit> it can, but i'd only use it for text
[23:00] <kermit> or, do that for text, with cat
[23:00] <kermit> dumping binary data to a terminal is a bad idea
[23:06] <Obsidian1723> yeah, bad idea...
[23:07] <Obsidian1723> The terminal isn't like the Windows command shell where you can harmlessly type stuff. In Linux, that's programming things.
[23:08] <kermit> i think 'type binaryfile' would have the same results in windows terminal?
[23:08] <kermit> (btw putty is MUCH faster than windows terminal.. at lesat in XP)
[23:08] <kermit> lesat/least
[23:09] <Obsidian1723> XP = dead OS
[23:09] <Takyoji> kermit, the context I was talking in was about all this time was about copying and storing raw data from my TV tuner card; tonyyarusso jokingly implied it was as simple as using 'dd'.


[16:14] <pavlushka> Hello every one:)
[16:14] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[16:15] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos :)
[16:15] <pavlushka> Kilos: how are you?
[16:15] <Kilos> :D
[16:15] <Kilos> still alive hehe
[16:15] <Kilos> struggling a bit but still going
[16:16] <Kilos> how are you?


[23:08] <VMGuy23> I got removed from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-discuss and sent to #fix_your_connection. I will stop using the IRC client that caused the issue and would like to be removed from the redirect list. Thanks.
[23:11] <tomreyn> i've done it for #ubuntu, can't do it for #ubuntu-discuss.
[23:11] <tomreyn> VMGuy23: ^
[23:11] <VMGuy23> whoops, mean -offtopic, not -discuss
[23:11] <VMGuy23> thanks
[23:12] <VMGuy23> tomreyn:
[23:12] <tomreyn> VMGuy23: can't do it there either
[23:12] <tomreyn> someone please consider unbanning VMGuy23 on #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:13] <VMGuy23> ok
[23:14] <Montresor> Kind of looks like phunyguy is around.
[23:15] <genii> done
[23:16] <VMGuy23> thanks


[06:16] <infinity> ScottK: You want lamont, I don't do physical buildd abuse anymore
[06:19] <ScottK> OK.  I gather he's on vacation, I thought you might for old time's sake ...
[06:21] <infinity> ScottK: I would if I had access to do so.  I'm not with IS anymore.
[06:22] <infinity> ScottK: But I can poke around when I'm back from my long weekend, if no one's made it happy yet.
[06:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:39] <ScottK> slangasek: Based on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6221/1011 I'd like to release the current Kubuntu Desktop powerpc image (I've added a warning about the limited testing to the Kubuntu tech overview).
[06:39] <ScottK> I was hoping you might be able to turn the knobs for this.
[13:26] <ScottK> skaet and/or jibel: I'd like to make sure the bug in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6219 gets added to the Alpha 3 bugs.  It looks to me like an imporant one not to lose track of.


[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:17] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj
[13:18] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[16:19] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Well, despite switching to the PWA of Element, I still get kwin crashes if I have notifications enabled. I turned them off again and it's stable for me. Also, I have noticed one small regression - *sometimes* when I press Ctrl+{1|2|3|4} to switch virtual desktops, Plasma will ignore it. It will usually work if I press the same Fn key again while still hold Ctrl.
[16:19] <arraybolt3> And lastly, Chrome removed the Vulkan rendering feature. :-(
[16:21] <arraybolt3> Anyway, /me -> food
[18:41] <mmikowski> Vulkan removed? Whoa. The work around for broken text however is strong with this one:
[18:42] <mmikowski> https://kfocus.org/wf/igpu.html#bkm_troubleshooting
[18:44] <mmikowski> There's a pointer on how to fix common i915 issues.
[18:44] <mmikowski> Hi ahoneybun[m]!
[18:44] <mmikowski> I gotta get something to eat too, so bbaib
[19:06] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo mmikowski
[19:12] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Nice, just enabled it. Thanks!