[00:34] <JaguarDown> Hey does anybody use ddclient? I have a simple question which I couldn't find the answer to on their website.
[00:35] <JaguarDown> I want to update my IP address since I am running a home server and the IP from my ISP may change. My domain is with godaddy who apparently doesn't offer a straightfoward service to do this.
[00:35] <JaguarDown> After reading on a website I simply changed the dns name servers to ones from freedns.afraid.org
[00:36] <JaguarDown> Anyway, on my godaddy account I changed them to ns1.afraid.org, ns2, ns3, ns4, etc. My question is in the config file for ddclient under the "server" field will simply "freedns.afraid.org" suffice or do I need to explicitly list the dns name servers?
[00:36] <JaguarDown> I had a free subdomain from freedns.afraid.org previously with ddclient running to update my IP and this is how it was configured before so I am assuming it will work.
[03:23] <jak2000> how to change the resolv.conf permanently i am change and when restart resolv.conf is empty
[03:28] <teward> jak2000: do you use /etc/network/interfaces to manage your interfaces?  If so, add these lines to the configuration stanzas for your interfaces: dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:58] <jak2000> teward ok testing
[03:58] <jak2000> restarted the virtual server
[06:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:35] <arcsky> hey guys whats the differnt between DNS server and a DNS proxy?
[08:46] <lordievader> arcsky: A DNS server actually resolves urls where a proxy forwards requests to another server (usually caching the replies).
[08:49] <arcsky> lordievader: thanks i undertand now
[08:49] <lordievader> arcsky: :)
[11:58] <teward> hmm... where can I report a problem with landscape-client that isn't isolated to one specific release
[11:58] <teward> (12.04, and 14.04, both have the same problem)
[11:59] <teward> (and i will do further tests today to confirm
[12:05] <iclebyte> the new bind9 vuln - USN-2693-1 only references ubuntu 12.04/14.04/15.04 - is 10.04 affected or just no updates available for it as EOL ?
[12:06] <rbasak> 10.04 is EOL, so no updates.
[12:07] <iclebyte> thought so.
[12:10] <rbasak> Nobody will have checked whether 10.04 is vulnerable or not. It may not be. But it's certainly vulnerable in a ton of other ways by now.
[12:15] <iclebyte> agreed.
[12:52] <Amillo> hey guys, having some trouble mounting my nfs anyone got any ideas why it's denying me access?
[13:03] <pmatulis> Amillo: provide more info. configuration, command & output, logs, etc
[13:15] <Amillo> Getting someone to take a look at it now, I'll come back if he's unsuccesful - thanks though
[19:55] <med_> Daviey, jamespage, zul: python-neutronclient in UCA Kilo don't work
[19:55] <med_> needs at least 2.4.0
[19:56] <med_> 2.3.11 is too old.
[19:56] <med_> please look at bug #1479496
[19:56] <med_> in a large network environment, it doesn't work.
[19:57] <med_> (it worked fine in Juno with the same networks but doesn't in Kilo as something in neutron must be changing & reporting differently.)
[19:57] <med_> it breaks things consequently as the python-neutronclient library is used by ... neutron, nova, etc.
[19:59] <Daviey> med_: Based on what you have said, it must also be true that it is broken in Ubuntu Vivid and neutron upstream has a poor lower version of neutronclient in requirements.txt
[20:03] <teward> wheeee, useful bug data is useful
[20:03] <teward> although i typo'd my apport hooks.  oops.
[20:04] <teward> sarnold: rbasak: it's definitely GREAT to have usable debug data for nginx now isn't it xD   (lot more 'invalid!' bugs :P)
[20:05] <dasjoe> Any idea where ast_dp501_fw.bin would be available from Ubuntu's repos? "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/ast_dp501_fw.bin for module ast"
[20:07] <alximych> hi! I manually installed and succesfully started tomcat8 on ubuntu machine. But I can not see tomcat8 among services. What do I have to do to be able to start/stop/status tomcat8 from "sudo service tomcat8 start"? A manual for dummies would be much of help, thanks!
[20:07] <Daviey> med_: If it is easy to reproduce, i'd be tempted to git bisect the client :)
[20:07] <med_> it's already fixed in the upstream client
[20:07] <med_> we just need it....
[20:07] <med_> https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-neutronclient/commit/?id=4b6ed760d4303744907feefd81e60f38ae3750ef
[20:07] <med_> in UCA
[20:08] <med_> thanks Daviey
[20:09] <med_> which means an older client MIGHT work.
[20:10] <Daviey> med_: The normal process for UCA updates is to get it fixed in the Ubuntu release that tracks the OpenStack release, in this instance it is Ubuntu Vivid.  So a normal SRU then, then a copy to UCA.
[20:11] <med_> gotcha
[20:11] <Daviey> med_: but funnily enough, Ubuntu Cloud Archive isn't a Ubuntu deliverable :)... So you'll need to speak to someone at Canonical for that :)
[20:11] <med_> (and yes, I'd forgotten that much)
[20:11] <med_> truestory.
[20:13] <K4k> When locking down the grub2 prompt, I set the password_pbkdf2 line in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and update-grub yells at me. It complains that "password_pbkdf2 is not found"
[20:13] <K4k> I've set this up per the documentation here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords#Password_Encryption
[20:14] <Daviey> med_: But if you want to propose it to stable/kilo upstream openstack/python-neutronclient, i can +2 it there... and I can also help SRU it to vivid. :)
[20:14] <med_> nod
[20:14] <med_> working on that
[20:14] <med_> realigning my ducks.
[20:14] <med_> oh, already fixed in stable/kilo
[20:15] <med_> which is using 2.4.0
[20:15] <med_> unfortunately, vivid didn't update the clients (enough)
[20:15] <Daviey> med_: Sadly, *just* missed the neutronclient point release by a few hours...
[20:15] <Daviey> (This is another reason point releases suck)
[20:16] <Daviey> oh
[20:17] <Daviey> med_: There is now  stable/kilo branch of neutronclient, doesn't seem fixed there
[20:19] <med_> Daviey, I see the "Reinstate MAX URI length checking" in a git clone of python-neutronclient in the stable/kilo branch.
[20:19] <med_> a403265ea1483e53b93bdb2d60493a9a9e1eb0bc
[20:19] <med_> merges
[20:19] <med_> 4b6ed760d4303744907feefd81e60f38ae3750ef
[20:20] <med_> so merged on Mar 11, 2015
[20:21] <K4k> Wow, the Ubuntu community docs can be so so terribly unclear sometimes
[20:22] <Daviey> med_: Ah! you are right
[20:23] <Daviey> So.. the minimum versions needs to be 2.6.0 ?
[20:24] <med_> no, even 2.4.0 works
[20:25]  * med_ double checks
[20:25] <med_> yep, 2.4.0 has it
[20:25] <med_> so I'm fine with a debina/patch that cherrypicks the change or a newer version Daviey
[20:29] <K4k> How do you boot 14.04 in to single user mode?
[20:29] <K4k> I've added "single" to the end of the "linux" line but it just goes to a black screen
[20:32] <TJ-> K4k: black-screen probably means you need "nomodeset" as well - the video DRM is not properly supporting mode-setting
[21:38] <LewsTherin> Anyone have recommended specs for a mailserver with dovecot, postfix, squirrelmail and a user management UI? Ubuntu 14.04.
[21:39] <LewsTherin> Was redirected here from #ubuntu, with an opinion 2core 2GB might be enough.
[21:41] <Sling> LewsTherin: for how many users? what kind of mail volume?
[21:41] <LewsTherin> Couple emails a day, about 40-50 users.
[21:41] <LewsTherin> Emails will be deleted once retrieved.
[21:42] <Sling> sounds about right then those specs
[21:42] <LewsTherin> Ok, thanks.
[21:42] <LewsTherin> What about HDD space?
[21:42] <LewsTherin> maybe 5-10GB?
[21:42] <Sling> are the users mailboxes limited by quota?
[21:42] <Sling> you might want to do that with 40-50 users
[21:43] <LewsTherin> Probably won't be.
[21:43] <LewsTherin> Hm, ok.
[21:43] <LewsTherin> It's part of an automation system, so emails probably won't be on there too long.
[21:43] <Sling> well yeah one imap fetch messup and itll be filled with emails :)
[21:44] <Sling> but just keep the mail data on a separate partition at least
[21:44] <LewsTherin> We'll mainly being using POP, due to requirements of the services that will be connecting in.
[21:45] <LewsTherin> Ok, so a 5GB partition for system, 20GB for mail?
[21:45] <LewsTherin> Just guessing here.
[21:49] <sarnold> how large can your user's inboxes be with just 20gigs? I've got ~1.5 gigs in my ~/.mail_cache/ at the moment, not sure how much actual storage on the server that requires
[21:49] <tonyyarusso> LewsTherin: I don't have as many users, but probably a higher volume per day per user, and I'm running it on a single core with 1GB RAM with no problems at all.
[21:50] <tonyyarusso> My particular users are up to about 9GB of disk space at the moment, but that number would vary wildly.
[21:50] <tonyyarusso> (Ours are IMAP, keeping stuff on the server permanently)
[21:51] <tonyyarusso> If you're POPing everything down within a month or less I'd think 20G should be plenty.
[21:53] <LewsTherin> Ok
[21:56] <HikaruBG> hi guys
[21:57] <HikaruBG> I have to run node js server on a remote ubuntu server via SSH
[21:57] <HikaruBG> I can run it, but once I close the ssh session - the server is down
[21:57] <teward> screen
[21:57] <HikaruBG> how can I create server daemon
[21:58] <bekks> HikaruBG: you could create an init script, or just run your node js thing in screen, or using nohup.
[21:58] <teward> either run it with & at the end which sends it to the background, or use `screen` and run node.js from there,
[21:58] <teward> or nohup which is also a slution
[21:58] <bekks> Using screen gives you somehow more control, in case it throws console messages.
[21:58] <sarnold> screen means you'd have to deal with it again next reboot; I'd go to the trouble of making an initscript or upstart config file for it, that way you don't have to think of it the next reboot :)
[21:58] <teward> ^ that
[21:59] <teward> heheh
[21:59] <teward> sarnold: unless it needs manual startup, say, because it needs credentials or a pw or something set up, which would be odd but still
[21:59] <teward> :p
[22:00] <sarnold> teward: eh, good point, ssl privkey or something..
[22:00] <teward> mhm
[22:01] <bekks> I never dealt with nodejs - what is this thing?
[22:01] <teward> bekks: another webapp solution
[22:01] <bekks> What is it for?
[22:01] <teward> web applications :p
[22:01] <teward> https://nodejs.org/
[22:01] <sarnold> bekks: server-side javascript
[22:01] <sarnold> bekks: for folks who just can't get enough callback hell :)
[22:01] <teward> "Node.js is an open source, cross-platform runtime environment for server-side and networking applications. Node.js applications are written in JavaScript and can be run within the Node.js runtime on OS X, Microsoft Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, NonStop, IBM AIX, IBM System z and IBM i."
[22:02] <teward> basically server-side javascript for people who want to intentionally torture themselves :P
[22:02] <bekks> Javascript - that crap used for dynamic menus and stuff?
[22:02] <teward> mhm
[22:03] <rbasak> teward: :)
[22:03] <teward> rbasak: hello!
[22:03] <teward> long time no talk :P
[22:04] <teward> for the record, Landscape makes managing 8 Ubuntu Server VMs real simple - one location to rule them all :P
[22:04] <teward> (+1 for Landscape :P)
[22:04] <rbasak> Nice!
[22:05] <teward> oh that reminds me
[22:05] <teward> where can i make a bugreport/complaint about it?
[22:05] <teward> given i'm on LDS, not the cloud service, canonical has no obligation to listen :P
[22:05] <bekks> teward: that landscape thing - how much does it cost to manage my 5 Ubuntu instances at home?
[22:06] <teward> bekks: zero if you set it up on a server yourself.  10 physical machines, 10 Virtual machines, with the 'free' license - http://askubuntu.com/questions/549809/how-do-i-install-landscape-for-personal-use
[22:06] <teward> past that you have to pay per system
[22:06] <bekks> teward: Thanks a lot :)
[22:06] <teward> and I forget how much it is per
[22:06] <teward> that's a question for canonical sales
[22:06] <bekks> I'd not reach that limit at home :)
[22:07] <teward> bekks: nor would I, even at work - 6 VMs all managed and accounted for, one central location, soon to be 7
[22:07] <bekks> teward: And it isnt a big problem to retire an old VM and set another vm in place?
[22:09] <teward> bekks: you can remove a computer, which opens up its license slot for use
[22:09] <teward> bekks: http://i.imgur.com/GIhq3qV.png  <-- remove computer button right there
[22:09] <bekks> teward: Ah ok - thats good to know. A few of my VMs wont live that long and are replaced by new ones quite regularly.
[22:09] <teward> it asks if you want to confirm it, and says "Deleting this will remove it from the system, and will free up a license slot for another system." or something similar
[22:10] <teward> i have two landscape instances i work with... one at work and one for my own systems
[22:10] <bekks> I guess thats a good way to go then.
[22:10] <teward> bekks: configuration was a pain
[22:10] <bekks> teward: ouch
[22:10] <teward> i had to use actual SSL certs
[22:10] <teward> because even when the custom CA certs are validated by the world, landscape-client won't work with it
[22:10] <teward> (and by 'the world' i mean the test lab I tested it on)
[22:11] <teward> hence my wanting to bug-report on the client
[22:11] <bekks> Well, that sounds like I want to implement an ansible instance instead
[22:11] <teward> bekks: probably is, but since my domain is wildcarded... :p
[22:12] <bekks> I'll take a look into both - ansible would be a good deal, since it supports more OS than landscape.
[22:12] <teward> right
[22:12] <teward> the enviros i'm in those're all Ubuntu boxes
[22:12] <teward> VM or physical
[22:12] <teward> won't help for other OSes
[22:13] <bekks> I have a few other here, like Solaris, Windows, etc.
[22:16] <teward> mhm
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> sarnold: FWIW, I have actually run things in screen on startup using the magic @reboot cron time.  An init script would be better for most things though.
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> (I've used that to launch my irssi session.)
[22:22] <sarnold> tonyyarusso: hah, I've never thought to combine @reboot with screen :)
[22:23] <tonyyarusso> You just have to use the right flags for start detached.
[22:23] <tonyyarusso> Works well for things that should launch at startup, but that you will be manually interacting with later.
[22:26] <sarnold> irssi is a good candidate for that
[23:17] <teward> urgh i hate it when init scripts do bad pidfile parsing >.<
[23:24] <trippeh> urgh i hate pidfiles >.< there fixed it ;)


[00:24] <cjbayliss> G'day folks! I'm trying to test the 64bit iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ and the installer won't start, so I try and report the bug and it is supposedly already reported. However I cannot veiw the bug, could someone confirm that this bug is actually reported? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1547518
[00:24] <knome> it's reported, but set as private
[00:25] <cjbayliss> ok, cool. Thanks. :)
[00:25] <Unit193> Couldn't remember when dead link and private.  Private should likely say something about being private...
[00:29] <knome> set the bug as public since it had 2 public duplicates..
[00:30] <cjbayliss> Cool. :)
[01:31] <cjbayliss> Right, a yukky patch has been supplied on that bug.
[01:32] <cjbayliss> Actually, it is never yukky to put things in try: except: but there is possibly something else that needs fixing, and I sick in bed and can't be bothered looking into it.
[12:14] <bluesabre> morning all
[12:14] <bluesabre> didn't get to be home at all yesterday, so nothing accomplished
[12:15] <bluesabre> Today is Beta 1 Freeze, Thursday is Beta 1
[12:15] <bluesabre> I might have a chance to get some uploads in tonight, we'll see
[12:16] <knome> huzzah
[12:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: if someone from -release joins the party there will be :p
[12:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: also - I could try and get it started tomorrow anyway - if that helps you :)
[14:36] <knome> le sigh
[19:09] <knome> wb ochosi
[19:09] <ochosi> hmm crap. remote login crapped out again
[19:09] <ochosi> how much did i miss?
[19:10] <ochosi> (was away over the weekend at cottage with sauna)
[19:10] <knome> some
[19:10] <ochosi> guess i should really move to some other remote login
[19:10] <knome> like pleia2's? :P
[19:10] <ochosi> yeah like one that doesn't randomely reboot every month
[19:14] <knome> :)
[19:14] <flocculant> hi ochosi :)
[19:15] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[20:20] <flocculant> beta 1 building
[20:34] <knome> branau, any progress on the wallpaper contest site?
[20:34] <knome> branau, i've set up something on my own today, but if your code works better, we can use that too
[20:44] <branau> Hey knome, just saw this
[20:44] <knome> np
[20:44] <branau> I haven't had a chance to work on it today, but I will tonight when I'm off work
[20:45] <knome> i'm sure some of the work i've done is useful even with your code
[20:45] <branau> I get off here in about 3 hours and then I'll be free all evening
[20:45] <branau> did you push your code to the git repo in launchpad?
[20:45] <knome> no, it's not derived from your code anyway
[20:46] <branau> Ah, you started from scratch?
[20:46] <knome> yeah, first i was working on the UI, then i quickly added some functionality
[20:48] <branau> Gotcha, yeah I didn't make any changes to the theme at all so far, do you want to add your code as like a separate branch or something so I can pull it down and work on merging it? Or do you want me to just send you the code for my plugin?
[20:48] <knome> if you are free in 3 hours, ping me again then
[20:48] <knome> let's see how we want to merge these, or how to proceed
[20:50] <branau> Sounds good. I'd check it out now but I'm on the clock and I'm not sure my bosses would approve of paying me for working on other projects haha
[20:50] <knome> np
[21:02] <branau> I've gotta get into freelance work so I don't have to worry about it :P
[21:18] <knome> branau, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/wallpaper-submissions.tar.gz
[21:18] <knome> branau, feel free to test and try to rip it off...
[21:18] <knome> branau, here *all* users should be able to upload, and all administrators vote
[21:19] <knome> branau, vote counting is done automatically, and the submit form prompts for license and attribution
[21:19] <branau> Knome, so are the users not going to be able to vote? just admins?
[21:24] <branau> knome, I've also developed a like/dislike plugin that I was going to modify to use here, but if you've already built something specifically for this then we can go with that
[21:25] <Nairwolf> Hi guys, I would like to ask you, in order to test new builds, is it necessary to download and install xub each time, or can I just update my packages ?
[21:25] <Nairwolf> on my test computer, I have Xubuntu with a build from few days
[21:25] <flocculant> Nairwolf: you need to grab image - as the tests are about *that* iso
[21:26] <flocculant> so once you have the iso - you can update that with zsync - it just grabs the difference
[21:26] <flocculant> hence people using virtual machines to do a lot of testing
[21:27] <Nairwolf> I'm not using a virtual machines. Could you explain me what is zsync, and how much is different to do "sudo apt update && apt dist-upgrade" ?
[21:28] <flocculant> apt update just updates your repositories - then upgrade (either) upgrades packages *you* have where needed
[21:28] <flocculant> zsync checks the iso against the current one - then grabs the differences - so no need to download 1Gb again - could be just 5%
[21:29] <flocculant> if you read the testcases against what we are testing you will see that it is about using *todays* iso
[21:30] <flocculant> your updated/graded xubuntu - might be completely different to the iso - and if you installed when we still had gmusicbrowser it will be
[21:30] <Nairwolf> Yes, I've read your emails, that's why I was asking for that
[21:30] <flocculant> :)
[21:31] <flocculant> Nairwolf: often we will want people to test specific apps - catfish say - then you can do that with what you have
[21:32] <Nairwolf> okay, but today you ask speficaly for the new iso, right ?
[21:33] <flocculant> yep
[21:33] <Nairwolf> Sorry again, but I don't understand what will be different from the iso from last week ?
[21:33] <flocculant> Nairwolf: however I just sent another mail to the list - there is a nasty bug on hardware with batteries - the installer crashes - there will be rebuilds
[21:34] <Nairwolf> I have a computer with batterie, so I think I will test that tomorrow after my examen
[21:35] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I zsynced my image yesterday morning - this evening I did the same, zsync had to download some to make it current
[21:37] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15174375/
[21:38] <Nairwolf> yes, but what is different if packages updated isn't enough ?
[21:38] <ochosi> flocculant: gotta head to bed, but not before saying thanks for taking on the community part of the xenial b1 release!
[21:38] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ^^ zsync checked the 32bit image that I have locally against the new one, found I had 86.4% so only got 15.6% to make it right
[21:38] <flocculant> ochosi: welcome :)
[21:38] <flocculant> Nairwolf: because there is no guarantee that anyone's machine is what we need testing
[21:38] <Nairwolf> anyway, where can I find a tutorial to update my iso with zsync ? I've turned on my computer
[21:39] <Nairwolf> yes, I believe you ;)
[21:39] <flocculant> Nairwolf: here :)
[21:40] <Nairwolf> here ?
[21:40] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ok so I can't point you art the wiki - it's down
[21:41] <flocculant> so what are you wanting to zsync - 32 or 64bit?
[21:41] <flocculant> and I will talk you through it :)
[21:42] <Nairwolf> 64 bits
[21:43] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases
[21:43] <flocculant> there you can see the Link to download information - click that and you get all the info for this milestone on 64bit
[21:44] <Nairwolf> Xenial Beta 1 ?
[21:44] <flocculant> now - using file manager - open a terminal where your existing iso is located - for me that's /Images/Xenial/
[21:45] <flocculant> Nairwolf: yep - that's what we are testing till Thursday
[21:45] <Nairwolf> oh, but I've removed my iso !
[21:45] <Nairwolf> and even with rzync, I still need to install it on my test-computer, right ?
[21:46] <flocculant> ok - so zsync won't work as expected - what it WILL do is tell you it has none and is going to grab the whole iso
[21:46] <Nairwolf> ok, so, it's better to download directly xubuntu beta 1
[21:46] <flocculant> Nairwolf: it makes no difference - if you do it the zsync way now - you'll know how to do it thereafter
[21:47] <Nairwolf> ok, so I'm going to learn now
[21:47] <flocculant> so open a terminal where you want the iso to be
[21:47] <Nairwolf> yes
[21:48] <flocculant> then from the download page http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/downloads
[21:48] <flocculant> copy and paste the zsync line into the terminal and press enter
[21:49] <Nairwolf> ok, it's easy ;)
[21:49] <flocculant> yep - it should have warned you it had to get the whole thing :)
[21:49] <Nairwolf> indeed
[21:49] <flocculant> do it tomorrow - and it will check the iso and then just get what's different :)
[21:49] <Nairwolf> what is rsync flocculant ?
[21:50] <flocculant> just a different way of achieving the same result
[21:50] <flocculant> afaik anyway :)
[21:51] <Nairwolf> ok
[21:51] <flocculant> http://zsync.moria.org.uk/paper/ch02s07.html
[21:52] <flocculant> apart from anything - if I am typing it manually it's easier to type zsync than rsync -tzhhP
[21:53] <knome> branau, we likely want to allow only a small group of people to vote; that said, this is based on the user role, so it's easy to modify that to anything else
[21:54] <Nairwolf> yes, you right flocculant
[21:54] <knome> branau, one thing that is NOT done in that version is nonces for the ajax requests for boting, but that should be trivial enough
[21:54] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I do this more or less every day, so I don't actually type anything other than my alias 'image' which zsyncs the 32 and 64bit iso's and then removes the old file when it's done
[21:54] <Nairwolf> just another thing, each time I would like to test a new iso, I will need to do that ? Update the iso with zsync, and install it on my computer ?
[21:55] <flocculant> Nairwolf: yes
[21:55] <Nairwolf> okay, and which tool do you use to build the iso in a usb key ?
[21:55] <branau> knome sounds good, I can grab the missing pieces from the plugin I wrote
[21:55] <flocculant> Nairwolf: but - if you're doing this often - virtual machines are a useful tool - *most* of the tests I do - I do in a virtual machine
[21:56] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I use the gnome disks tool
[21:56] <Nairwolf> okay, I don't know this tool
[21:56] <flocculant> gnome-disk-utility
[21:57] <flocculant> it does a bunch of things - one of which is restore an image - so I 'restore' the iso to the usb stick
[21:57] <Nairwolf> why do you prefer it to unetbootin for example  ?
[21:58] <flocculant> there have been problems with loads of the tools - unetbootin was causing problems - I stopped using it a year or so back
[21:59] <knome> branau, basically, https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/check_ajax_referer
[21:59] <knome> but that really is more or less trivial
[21:59] <Nairwolf> yes, I've heard that badly
[22:00] <Nairwolf> I've checked on my computer, gnome-disk-utility is inside gnome-disks, right ?
[22:00] <Nairwolf> because I can't launch "gnome-disk-utility" but I can launch gnome-disks
[22:00] <flocculant> yep
[22:00] <branau> knome yep, I'm familiar with the process. Pretty simple
[22:01] <flocculant> Nairwolf: in the menu as Disks
[22:01] <Nairwolf> yes
[22:03] <Nairwolf> Oh, I've been confused. 'restore' mean create a usb key bootable
[22:03] <Nairwolf> restore means : writing into the usb key
[22:06] <flocculant> yea
[22:06] <flocculant> make sure you've picked the right drive in the left panel
[22:07] <knome> branau, i just landed that fix on my test server plugin (not in the tarball)
[22:07] <knome> i should get that up in a repository today
[22:07] <Nairwolf> flocculant, I think I'm doing the right thing ;)
[22:08] <flocculant> if you aren't you'll wish you had
[22:08] <Nairwolf> ok, I'm testing the usb key in the second computer ;)
[22:08] <flocculant> \o/
[22:08] <branau> knome cool, you want to shoot me an updated tarball then?
[22:08] <Nairwolf> no... it's not bootable...
[22:09] <Nairwolf> Am I missing something wrong ?
[22:09] <flocculant> Nairwolf: no idea tbh - works for me :)
[22:09] <knome> branau, in some time, i need to do other things meanwhile
[22:09] <flocculant> Nairwolf: if you normally use something else - use that :)
[22:09] <knome> (and i just broke something in php too)
[22:10] <branau> knome no worries, I've still got another hour or so of work before I can clock out
[22:10] <flocculant> well I gtg now - night all :)
[22:10] <branau> night flocculant!
[22:12] <Nairwolf> flocculant: that's what I'm doing
[22:12] <Nairwolf> I always forget, should I format in fat32, or in ext4 for the usb key ?
[22:20] <Nairwolf> for this test : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1663/results
[22:20] <Nairwolf> I need to choose the option "Try Xubutu without installing" ?
[22:20] <Nairwolf> what is ubiquity ?
[22:25] <Nairwolf> okay, I've just tried the live session, and blueman-applet has crashed
[22:25] <Nairwolf> If someone can help me to write a bug report, that would be great ;)
[22:26] <knome> what kind of help do you need?
[22:26] <Nairwolf> knome: I wanted to follow this test ( http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1663/results ) but I'm not sure to know what is ubiquity
[22:27] <knome> ubiquity is the installer
[22:27] <Nairwolf> and just after launched "xubuntu without installing", I have blueman-apple who has a crashed
[22:27] <knome> that is not ubiquity
[22:27] <knome> ubiquity is the part with the slideshow
[22:27] <Nairwolf> oh, it's what you see when you want to "install xubuntu", right ?
[22:28] <knome> branau, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/xubuntu-wallpaper-contest.tar.gz
[22:28] <Nairwolf> ok, I see that ;)
[22:28] <knome> Nairwolf, i think in this case, where it reads "ubiquity" it should read "maybe-ubiquity"
[22:29] <branau> knome thanks, I'll plug it in and figure it out here in about an hour
[22:29] <knome> np
[22:29] <knome> branau, i believe this is "almost ready" as is; testing is totally welcome though
[22:29] <knome> branau, and things like prompting the user if they really want to delete their submission could be good
[22:29] <Nairwolf> knome: I've clicked on "try xubuntu without installing", and I've a crash of blueman, would I need to report it ?
[22:30] <branau> knome cool, I'll check it out and tweak anything that doesn't seem right. I'll post any changes to Launchpad
[22:30] <knome> Nairwolf, well at least it isn't totally wrong, so if you have the time, please do
[22:30] <knome> branau, wfm (or you can just be in touch with me directly)
[22:31] <knome> i had something else in mind but the thought just vanished
[22:31] <Nairwolf> The title is "blueman-apple crashed with dbus.exception.DBusExcpetion in call_blocking():" can you give me some indication in order to report it correctly, please ?
[22:31] <Nairwolf> Learn me to do it once, I would be able to do it next times ;)
[22:31] <knome> Nairwolf, in terminal, run "ubuntu-bug blueman-applet" (if that is the right package name)
[22:31] <knome> might be something else, but it will tell you
[22:31] <branau> knome wfm? I'm not familiar with the acronym
[22:32] <knome> branau, "works for me"
[22:32] <knome> branau, and now i remember it!
[22:32] <branau> Ah, I'll do both!
[22:32] <knome> branau, i have *only* essentially touched the plugin, so no need to do sql dumps and push the wp core
[22:33] <Nairwolf> knome: it launches apport (which was already opened in fact).
[22:33] <knome> Nairwolf, right, then just proceed from there as it says
[22:33] <knome> hello Unit193
[22:33] <branau> Oh ok, nice. That's convenient
[22:33] <Nairwolf> But I have an error message "the problem cannot be reported: the report belongs to a package that is not installed". Whaaat ?
[22:33] <knome> mmh... from the command i gave you, or even before that?
[22:34] <Unit193> I didn't say words. >_>
[22:34] <Nairwolf> From the command you gave me
[22:34] <Nairwolf> In fact, I've already apport oppened
[22:34] <Nairwolf> with all instructions
[22:34] <knome> Nairwolf, then dismiss that and continue with the apport window you had open
[22:34] <knome> Unit193, so? you have been caught nonetheless.
[22:34] <krytarik> Nairwolf: Notice that it's already linked here though: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases
[22:34] <knome> krytarik, thanks ;)
[22:34] <krytarik> Sure.
[22:35] <knome> ok, other stuff for a while ->
[22:35] <Nairwolf> indeed, thank you krytark
[22:35] <Nairwolf> when I check the box "send an error report to help fix this problem" what's happen in reality ?
[22:35] <Nairwolf> Is it linked to launchpad ?
[22:36] <krytarik> Tries to report it to LP, yes.
[22:37] <Nairwolf> yes, apparently, it's this bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1533206
[22:39] <Nairwolf> can you tell me how I can get the traceback ?
[22:39] <Nairwolf> in order to give it to launchpad, I don't know if it's useful or not
[22:42] <krytarik> Nairwolf: No need to report a bug multiple times.
[22:42] <Nairwolf> You're sure ?
[22:42] <Nairwolf> even at iso.qa.ubuntu.com ?
[22:42] <krytarik> You just link there.
[22:43] <Nairwolf> sorry, I don't understand your sentence
[22:43] <Nairwolf> it's already linked in fact
[22:44] <krytarik> When you report your test result, you just link the bug report to it.
[22:45] <krytarik> But no need to report the bug *itself* multiple times.
[22:45] <Nairwolf> ok, even if someone has already reported the same bug ?
[22:45] <Nairwolf> oh, too late...
[22:45] <Nairwolf> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds/113125/testcases/1303/results
[22:49] <Nairwolf> okay, I'm going to test "auto-resize" test
[23:03] <Nairwolf> thank you guys for helping me ;)
[23:04] <krytarik> Sure - thank you!
[23:05] <Nairwolf> I hope to become a good tester in few days ;)
[23:13] <knome> Nairwolf, just remember that testing isn't a competition in speed, usually quite the contrary
[23:16] <Nairwolf> Yes, you right, but if I'm able to do it regularly, and doing it well, that would be great ;)
[23:16] <Nairwolf> It's important to me to know how to report correctly a bug ;)
[23:17] <Nairwolf> I'm not really familiar with the bugtracker of launchpad
[23:17] <Nairwolf> except the ubiquity bug, the daily iso seems really stable, right ?
[23:18] <krytarik> Nairwolf: http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html
[23:24] <Nairwolf> thank you ;)
[23:25] <Nairwolf> Later, I would be interested to help in development, but I'm far from helping
[23:26] <Nairwolf> I still need to improve my skills as a developer, and I need to know more xubuntu world (and xfce)
[23:26] <knome> the contributor documentation at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ should help with pretty much anything you need to "get started"
[23:27] <knome> (realistically speaking, it doesn't, but if you find stuff that is missing, we'll gladly work to get it included)
[23:27] <Nairwolf> useful document ;)
[23:27] <Nairwolf> ok ;)
[23:28] <Nairwolf>  that's enough testing for me tonight ;)


[00:37] <ubot3> In #ubuntu, soundray said: ubot3, no, Vista is the best incentive to learn Linux, says Pelo
[00:51] <Pici> Anyone else see evidence of what pelo is reporting?
[00:52] <PriceChild> No idea.
[00:53] <stdin> I see 2 people join/part quite quickly, but nothing worrying
[00:53] <Pici> /clones returns nothing to be alarmed about either
[01:46] <Pici> Hmm.. There are a lot of root_*s in #kubuntu (again)
[01:46] <LjL> Pici: i'll kick them (again)
[01:47] <nalioth> :(
[01:58] <LjL> hmm...
[01:59] <LjL> i will have to take down the bots for the whole night. the "new" server's PSU is making a grinding noise, and that's not good to left on during the night
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[02:00] <LjL> Hobbsee: twas like the most unfortunate server upgrade evah
[02:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:01] <nickrud> Hobbsee: I just want you to know, you are the reason I had to install a 32bit os ;)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> nickrud: oh?
[02:02] <nickrud> lightning in thunderbird, couldn't find one for 64bit
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[02:03] <nalioth> nickrud: it compiles on 64bit
[02:04] <nickrud> nalioth: you know I hate compiling ;)
[02:04] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: If its worth anything (which I suspect it isn't :P), I agree with your email about IRSEEK
[02:05] <nalioth> what email?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: feel free to add it
[02:05] <PriceChild> nalioth: ubuntu-irc ML
[02:06] <Hobbsee> nalioth: you were right. she'll never be happy
[02:23] <Seeker`> hmm, either my mail is slow, or the list doesn't like it
[02:24] <nickrud> why?  It's just window dressing, removing irseek
[02:24] <Seeker`> nickrud: what do you mean?
[02:25] <nickrud> the logs are still taken, and as Hobbsee says in the mail, there's nothing keeping someone from wgetting them and doing whatever
[02:26] <Seeker`> nickrud: Do you agree that the IRSEEK logging is superfluous?
[02:26] <nickrud> Seeker`: superfluous yes. As tonyyarruso replied, should it be forbidden?
[02:27] <nickrud> what's to stop them from just running xchat and logging into channels they want to copy? With all the idlers, who'd know?
[02:27] <Seeker`> as my reply states (if it ever arrives), if noone actively wants it there, and it is superfluous, what harm is there in removing them?
[02:28] <nickrud> I'm just saying the issue way overblown.
[02:28] <Seeker`> People have expressed a dislike for these bots, and, as far as I am aware, everyone else doesn't really care whether they are there or not. IMO it would be easier to remove the redundant bots than to convince the people concerned about privacy that the bots probably aren't doing any harm
[02:29] <Seeker`> If you dont upset anyone by removing them
[02:29] <no0tic> what's to stop them just to grab ubuntulog's logs and do whatever they want? So, why forbid them to log directly?
[02:30] <Seeker`> if ubuntulogs' logs are there and are perfectly good, why not just tell them to use that directly?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> no0tic: absolutely nothing.
[02:31] <nickrud> And then the people who are expecting some form of privacy are totally misled. Seems cleaner to acknowledge they are using the logs by letting them be present themselves.
[02:31] <no0tic> indeed
[02:32] <Seeker`> It should be in the topic of the logged channels that they are logged, but that is a different matter
[02:32] <no0tic> could our logs be released under a certain license?
[02:32] <nickrud> then refusing other bots would make some sense
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: it's in the guidelines, mentioned from the topic...
[02:33] <Hobbsee> no0tic: no one could actually police it
[02:33] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: I thought it might have been, but I'm too tired to go looking :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> along with all the rest of the useful stuff that shoudl be in the topic, but doesn't fit.
[02:34] <Seeker`> heh
[02:34] <no0tic> how many users complained?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> a few
[02:34] <Hobbsee> most were in /query
[02:35] <no0tic> a relevant percentage of 1200?
[02:35] <nickrud> how many were incited?
[02:35] <Seeker`> I doubt that anyone will complain abotu the lack of IRSEEK bots. Surely if there is a solution that will make x users happy and 0 unhappy, that is the best option?
[02:36] <Seeker`> no0tic: define a "relevant percentage"?
[02:36] <no0tic> 5/10%
[02:36] <no0tic> 60/120 users, I think it's a good percentage
[02:36] <Seeker`> thats quite a lot
[02:37] <LjL> no0tic: what makes you think IRC logs are eligible for a license to begin with?
[02:37] <no0tic> LjL, nothing, I'm only brainstorming to find out a possible solution
[02:37] <Seeker`> no0tic: The SU at my uni needs 100 signatures out of ~10,000 students to call an EGM
[02:38] <no0tic> ok, let's take 1%
[02:38] <nalioth> tbh, i've only heard one user complain about the irseek bots
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i had more in query, but i dont' remember hwo they were now
[02:39] <no0tic> anyway.. I think it could be dangerous to bend to few users complaining for something like that. Anyone here has logs of almost everything happens in #ubuntu* channels and anybody could do whatever they want with those
[02:39] <Hobbsee> no0tic: agreed, but still.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> no0tic: if anything, it's setting a precedent for anyone to bring a logging bot in there
[02:40] <Hobbsee> which cna then be known-malicious
[02:40] <Hobbsee> or a bot which logs, and does other things too
[02:40] <nickrud> it is true, it only takes one person to bring up a valid point (not ready to call this one one, though)
[02:41] <Seeker`> what harm is done by removing the bots?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: very little, i suspect
[02:41] <nickrud> hm. Didn't I once hear of a 'no bot's' policy once?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> nickrud: yeah, excluding official ubuntu cloaked ones
[02:41] <LjL> nickrud: no bots unless authorized, and these ones currently are.
[02:43] <no0tic> are there effective methods to check whether a "user" is a bot or else?
[02:43]  * nickrud just hates being demagoged
[02:43] <LjL> Seeker`, Hobbsee: what harm is done by removing Google (after all, all the content is available somewhere else)? yet some harm is done. searchable logs, not limited to Ubuntu channels, in a central place, can be an asset. and remember that the "percentage" of people complaining about them is about the same percentage as the people who complain, uuuh, about just everything we do?
[02:43] <LjL> no0tic: turing test
[02:44] <no0tic> LjL, and if he simply doesn't reply?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> LjL: if you're doing that, it's spam, no? :)
[02:44] <LjL> no0tic: then you're screwed.
[02:44] <LjL> Hobbsee: hm?
[02:45] <nalioth> no0tic: there are ways, yes
[02:45]  * nalioth will not share his methods
[02:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: giving people turing tests
[02:45] <LjL> there are no ways
[02:45] <Seeker`> LjL: But all of the ubuntu logs are stored in 1, easily accessible place, then typing "ubuntu irc logs" will get them all of them
[02:45] <Seeker`> it doesn't reduce acessibility
[02:45] <no0tic> nalioth, ok, I trust in your methods, don't want to know anything else
[02:46] <LjL> nalioth likes to insist there are, and i'm sure there *are* for most practical purposes (such as bots hanging in many channels, for instance, or little glitches in CTCP replies, or dubious hosts, etc)
[02:46] <LjL> but generally speaking, i really, really think there is no conceivable way to tell a bot from a user, aside from a turing test
[02:46]  * nickrud considers thumbsrcrews for nalioth
[02:48] <nalioth> LjL: it may not be a "bot" per se, but a userless client and a cronjob that scps to a web enabled page
[02:48]  * Seeker` goes to bed, almost an hour after thinking "I'll just see what this 1 email is..."
[02:49] <Seeker`> s/.../before bed.../
[02:49] <no0tic> Seeker`, 'night
[02:52] <LjL> nalioth: so, you're telling me that if i have a perfectly normal client (and take care to make my so my idle time never gets ridiculous), not in an overly large amount of channels, and post some irc-related thing to some *other* machine (via scp or something), you can track that?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> nalioth: has evil ways :P
[02:53] <no0tic> LjL, let's suppose I have my logs in my public_html, no scp in between :)
[02:55] <LjL> no0tic: well in that case it doesn't take very much to spot them
[02:55] <no0tic> LjL, rigth
[02:58] <band4life> LjL?
[02:59] <LjL> band4life?
[03:05] <band4life> ljl i was hoping to be allowed to return today
[03:05] <LjL> oh, i see. your nickname made me think you were banned for life and evading
[03:06] <LjL> must have been wrong
[03:06] <band4life> well im here to ask to get back in, and change my nick.
[03:09] <LjL> well look, tell you what
[03:10] <LjL> i find it important for my actions to be reviewed and make sure i'm not getting off the right track
[03:10] <LjL> so when you say
 true,  but from what I gathered at other channels my banning is not unheard of.  Infact it is common.  So if I am going to continue to be mistreated, I am going to report some of the ops.
[03:10] <LjL> perhaps you should go on and do that
[03:15] <band4life> LJL so what you are saying is that you are going to extend my ban?
[03:16] <LjL> extend? i don't think i said it *would* be lifted
[03:16] <LjL> i think i probably told you to come back in some days, and that was likely before you went up ranting in #freenode as well
[03:36] <emma> is Hobbsee here?
[03:36] <PriceChild> emma: anything I might be able to help with instead?
[03:36] <emma> No I'm afraid not.
[03:39] <emma> I'll try to find her later. Take care.
[03:46]  * Hobbsee was busy.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> patience, patience.
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: she's still online if you want it...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: not overly.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:23] <nickrud> chicken
[04:23] <Hobbsee> nickrud: who, me?
[04:23] <nickrud> nah ;)
[04:53] <Jack_Sparrow> We need to keep an eye on Zcat
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> eh, perhaps.  lastlog looks pretty okay
[04:55] <Jack_Sparrow> He was giving detailed info on how to write a virus in linux earlier in ubuntu..
[04:56] <Jack_Sparrow> A new user comes into the channel and is excited does not need to be greeted with <zcat[1]> petercoh7: the feeling wears off, you find out that ubuntu has bugs too and is just another OS :)
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> didn't see that first one
[04:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Several hours ago...
[05:00] <nickrud> lol, well it is just another os
[05:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Maybe so, but you dont slap a new user that is excited about it..   THat is just rude
[05:02] <nalioth> civility is welcomed here
[05:03] <Jack_Sparrow> I dont find that a very civil way to greet a new user
[05:03] <nalioth> nope
[05:04] <Jack_Sparrow> After his virus discussions earlier today .. I think he needs to be watched
[05:07] <nalioth> how about talking to him
[05:07] <nalioth> catalyze and all that ?
[05:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Im too tired at this point.. It has been a long day...
[05:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Feel free...
[05:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I only logged back in to get my mail..... Just noticed him for the second time in one day..   Goodnight
[05:12] <nickrud> zcat's been around for a long time, he's probably amenable
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> Probably just needs a nudge on things that are less than helpful methinks.  The lines in between the two aforementioned things look like normal support, and valuable.
[09:23] <Seeker`> are there restrictions as to who can post on the ubuntu-irc mailing list?
[10:22] <Mez> not as far as I'm aware (possibly subscribers only though)(
[10:22] <Mez> but I dont think there are restrictions on who can subscribe
[10:24] <Seeker`> I have subscribed
[10:24] <Seeker`> I sent a post last ngith, and it seems to have disappeared
[10:28] <Mez> check your mail logs ?
[10:31] <Seeker`> It has appeared in the "sent" folder
[10:32]  * Seeker` -> uni
[11:22] <Myrtti> that's a disturbing message for a Finn
[11:23] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[11:23] <Myrtti> uni means sleep
[11:24] <Myrtti> I actually stared that one for like a minute uncomprehending
[11:24] <Seeker`> uni means university for me :) Which is closely associated with sleep :P
[11:24] <Myrtti> yeah, I know, but still
[11:25] <Myrtti> needed some mental adjustment to get the real meaning
[11:25] <Seeker`> what is the finnish for uni?
[11:26] <Myrtti> yliopisto
[11:27] <Seeker`> hmm, not easy to remember
[12:04] <Pici> ubot3: whoami
[12:04] <ubot3> Factoid whoami not found
[12:37] <Mez> @btlogin
[12:38] <AndrewB> hey Mez
[12:38] <Mez> AndrewB, gimme 10 mins or so, about to go for lunch
[12:39] <AndrewB> No problem
[12:39] <AndrewB> I can try and work out which are invalid
[12:42] <AndrewB> oh damn http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi is down
[12:44] <Daviey> up here
[12:44] <Daviey> AndrewB: remember sqlite is teh suck
[12:45] <Pici> sqlite does full-file locking
[12:45] <AndrewB>  Sorry, bantracker has been shut down for anonymous users due to server load
[12:45] <AndrewB> it's ok  I have a heft log
[12:45] <Pici> What ban are you looking for?
[12:46] <AndrewB> all of them ;)
[12:46] <Pici> o
[12:47] <Pici> I was going to say that my bantracker fork work-in-progress bot may have caught it if you were looking for something specifically
[12:55] <Mez> I'm getting an op error
[12:55] <Mez>  args = ('database is locked',)
[12:55] <Pici> 08:45:00 <Pici> sqlite does full-file locking
[12:55] <Pici> Wait and refresh
[12:55] <Pici> Or just mash refresh if you're impatient.
[12:56] <Mez> Sorry, bantracker has been shut down for anonymous users due to server load
[12:56]  * Pici shrugs
[12:56] <Mez> @btlogin
[12:57] <Pici> Can anyone here get ubot3 into new channels? or start ubotwo up?
[12:57] <Pici> LjL: around? ^
[12:57] <jussi01> nalioth: maybe if he is around
[12:57] <jussi01> Pici: where do you want it?
[12:58]  * jussi01 has ubot5 if needed
[12:58] <Pici> jussi01: bugs, -devel, -motu
[12:58] <jussi01> hmmm
[13:01] <AndrewB> http://tuxhacker.org/hosted/banlist.txt   the few I have went through
[13:01] <AndrewB> Mez: ^^
[13:02] <Mez> ??
[13:11] <jdong> will the real ubot.* please stand up?
[13:14]  * Mez is thinking of making a bot that tracks bans, removes those of people who are klined, and pokes ops now and then to remind them to remove their bans
 There are unused bans on your /mode. The /mode cleanup wizard can help you clean up your modes. Click this message to start the wizard.
[13:16] <jdong> :D
[13:16] <Mez> lmao
[13:16] <Mez> "would you like me to clean your bans for you"
 I see you're trying to ban someone....
[13:16] <Mez> "are you sure"
[13:16] <Mez> "I'm going to anyway"
[13:16] <jdong> Pici: ROFL
[13:16] <Mez> "fzzzt"
[13:17] <Mez> "This bot has encountered a general protection fault"
[13:17] <jdong> You have 26 days left to activate this bot.
[13:17] <Myrtti> guru meditating
[13:55] <Amaranth> !ping
[14:16] <PriceChild> Seeker`: FYI there is nothing in the moderation queue for the ML.
[14:17] <Pici> PriceChild: do you have bot control? ubotu is on the fritz again/still and ubot3 is missing in a few channels
[14:19] <PriceChild> ubot3: whoami
[14:19] <ubot3> Factoid whoami not found
[14:19] <PriceChild> ubot3: part #ubuntu-ops
[14:19] <ubot3> PriceChild: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[14:19] <PriceChild> Pici: no
[14:19] <Pici> heh
[14:20] <jdong> PriceChild: well.. you're a bot, right?
[14:20] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Hmm. Shall I try sending it again, see what happens?
[14:20] <PriceChild> jdong: what are your instructions master?
[14:20] <PriceChild> Seeker`: PM me your email so I can check you're subscribed?
[14:20] <jdong> PriceChild: bug 196322
[14:20] <PriceChild> I got one subscription today, and it was from the most amazing sounding name ever.
[14:21] <jdong> lol I have no idea if that actually exists
[14:21] <Pici> jdong: "All source packages" page empty when distribution doesn't use Launchpad for packaging
[14:21] <jdong> :D
[14:22] <Pici> In Soyuz [Confirmed/Undecided]
[14:22] <PriceChild> Pici: excuse me, but who is the bot here?
[14:22] <PriceChild> :P
[14:22]  * Pici shuts his bot
[14:23] <PriceChild> grrrr
[14:23] <PriceChild> I hate it when screen finds a line of irssi, and decides to duplicate it in every single channel I switch to.
[14:23] <PriceChild> I don't want Pici shutting his bot in all my super secret channels!
[14:23] <Pici> PriceChild: I know, it realyl confuses me
[14:23] <PriceChild> Not that I don't want Pici...
[14:24] <Pici> No offense taken
[14:24] <PriceChild> detatch and reatatch seems to fix it
[14:24]  * PriceChild huggles pici
[14:28] <Pici> oh, LjL woke up
[14:28] <LjL> yeah
[14:29] <LjL> should have put it in crontab sorry
[14:29] <LjL> since the server was turned on well before i woke up
[14:29] <Myrtti> init.d
[14:29] <LjL> init.d for a bot...?
[14:30] <Myrtti> I've got init.d for irssi
[14:30] <Myrtti> d'oh.
[14:30] <LjL> that's a bit... non-standard
[14:30] <jdong> pfft event.d
[14:30] <Myrtti> if I want irssi up on server boot and to grep some logs at server shutdown...
[14:30] <LjL> what about sources.list.d
[14:31] <LjL> Myrtti: grep logs at shutdown?
[14:31] <jdong> LjL: that relies on a buffer overflow in apt
[14:31]  * jussi01 schedules a cron to smack jdong over the head with a fish
[14:31] <LjL> jdong: sounds elegant
[14:31] <jdong> LjL: yes it would be beautiful
[14:31] <Myrtti> LjL: I've got a special use case for the logs
[14:31] <Myrtti> it's called "stalking"
[14:31] <LjL> Myrtti: as in, checking if you've been stalked, or stalking?
[14:32] <Myrtti> the first
[14:32] <LjL> that too definitely sounds like a cron's job...
[14:32] <PriceChild> :(
[14:32] <Pici> :?
[14:32] <LjL> i've got a special use case for logs too
[14:33] <LjL> and that is, building them up and treating them like a child
[14:33] <LjL> only to have a wildrunning ">" erase them all in a bunch of seconds
[14:58] <AndrewB> Mez: the bot you talk of we already have. Called dircbot  contact philkc he may be able to assist.
[14:59] <AndrewB> though it doesnt do the kline thing
[15:00] <nalioth> Pici: did you get your ubot* support?
[15:01] <LjL> yep
[15:01] <LjL> ubotwo and i are back
[15:08] <nalioth> i guess nobody remembers their ubot3 access
[15:10] <PriceChild> I don't think I have any :/
[15:17]  * Mez_ waits to see how long it is till Mez Excess floods again
[15:17] <Mez_> when/if he reconnects
[15:18] <Amaranth> ubotwo: whoami
[15:18] <ubotwo> Amaranth: Amaranth
[15:19] <Mez_> ubotwo: whoami
[15:19] <ubotwo> Mez_: I don't recognize you.
[15:23] <Seeker`> Mez_: Why the excess flood?
[15:24] <Mez_> Seeker`: cause xchat is deciding to /who every channel I'm in at the same time
[15:24] <nalioth> xchat-gnome?
[15:24] <Mez_> nalioth: no, xchat
[15:24] <nalioth> sounds broken.  try ii
[15:25]  * nalioth runs
[15:25] <Mez_> ii?
[15:25] <Seeker`> irssi?
[15:26]  * Mez_ sighs
[15:26] <Mez_> I've said enough times that irssi isnt good for me
[15:27] <Amaranth> !amaranth
[15:27] <ubotwo> *taptap* Is this thing on?
[15:27] <nalioth> ubot3 info ii
[15:27] <ubot3> ii: minimalist FIFO and filesystem-based IRC client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1-3 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[15:27] <nalioth> Seeker`: i don't stutter
[15:27]  * Mez hopes to survive long enough to join channels slowly
[15:27] <nalioth> Mez_: ^^^
[15:28] <nalioth> although "minimalist" isn't the word i'd use to describe it
[15:28] <nalioth> it _is_ however bulletproof
[15:29] <Mez_> nalioth, *Shrugs*
[15:33] <stdin> eesh, what's with all the roots' in #k !? root__ root___ root____ root______ root_______ root________ root_________
[15:33] <LjL> ugh, again?
[15:33] <LjL> nalioth
[15:34] <stdin> I'm beginning to think it's the same person/group as the vit_*'s we had a while ago
[15:35] <stdin> very similar IP to the one vit in #k now
[15:37] <Pici> stdin: we cleared them out yesterday too
[15:37] <jpatrick> +b *!?=root
[15:37] <Pici> then nal sent them on a ride on the train
[15:37] <Mez> w00t... I think I'm in the clear
[15:38] <LjL> yeah, don't kick them
[15:39] <stdin> what I did with vit was ban vit_*!@* so vit and vit_ could join, but root is a bit too general do do that
[15:41] <LjL> stdin, vit_ can't join if you ban vit_*!*@*, the * quantifier inclues the empty word
[15:42] <stdin> LjL: when the ban was in place there was vit and vit_, so it seemed to do what I wanted (if I'm remembering right)
[15:42] <nalioth> stdin: again?
[15:42] <LjL> stdin: were probably already in the channel when you banned
[15:43] <Pici> You could ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <stdin> LjL: no, I did a mass /remove before
[15:43] <LjL> Pici: well, not really, they had very different hostnames yesterday
[15:43] <Pici> or .cantv.net
[15:44] <Pici> That looks to be common between the few I just looked at
[15:44] <stdin> I only see them in #k too, and they never seem to speak (same as vit)
[15:44] <nalioth> Mez: it's all your client settings
[15:44] <LjL> stdin: don't know then, maybe they changed nicks while in the channel - i can say for sure that * is a zero-or-more
[15:44] <nalioth> these are zombies (root*)
[15:44] <LjL> Pici, yesterday they had numeric IPs as hosts
[15:44] <nalioth> see?
[15:44] <LjL> like the one that just joined now
[15:44] <LjL> 190.*
[15:44] <nalioth> they are programmed to maintain
[15:45] <Pici> LjL: They are numeric, I'm dnsing them
[15:45] <LjL> aah.
[15:45] <Pici> That should work right?
[15:45] <LjL> Pici: bans on hostname won't ban the IP
[15:45] <LjL> Pici: the vice versa is valid
[15:45] <LjL> although, uhm
[15:45] <Pici> LjL: fooey
[15:45] <LjL> i thought freenode always reversed-dns everyone
[15:46] <nalioth> that should solve things (and get them on the freenode radar)
[15:46] <LjL> nalioth: put one _ maybe?
[15:47] <nalioth> they have appeared with _ and __ appended
[15:47] <LjL> nalioth: yeah i mean root_*!*@*
[15:47] <LjL> just to avoid banning "root"
[15:47] <nalioth> we could forward them to -read-topic or -proxy-users or -unregged
[15:47] <LjL> and others with nicks that begin like that
[15:48]  * nalioth would like to forward them to /dev/null, but would get in trouble if he did
[15:48] <LjL> nalioth: or -83, which i really should give another name
[15:48] <LjL> nalioth: still there's been some people before complaining that their nick was banned in some channels because it began with "root" - while having nothing to do with root. that's why i suggest root_*!*@*
[15:50] <stdin> how about root_?*!*@* then? that'll let root and root_ (LjL was right after all)
[15:50] <nalioth> stdin: the ? is superflous in your suggestion
[15:51] <LjL> stdin, in this case we want root_ banned i think
[15:51] <nalioth> and superfli too
[15:51] <stdin> nalioth: I just tested name_*!*@* and it bans name_ too
[15:51] <LjL> although, root_ has been idle for 8 hours
[15:51] <LjL> they *are* two different bans
[15:51] <stdin> but then there's normally a root and root_ on freenode somewhere anyway
[15:52] <LjL> yeah in fact root_ is online
[15:52] <LjL> but anyway, he's unlikely to join #kubuntu
[15:52] <LjL> on the other hand, "rootfoo" might
[15:52] <stdin> we don't support root accounts anyway :p
[15:55] <LjL> i've created #ubuntu-graylist (and redirected the old #ubuntu-83 there), please use it for any subnet bans
[15:56] <LjL> (which does *not* mean subnet bans should be taken lightly, mind. just, still better than plain banning)
[15:59] <stdin> heh, I knew I'd see vit_ soon after the root_'s went
[15:59] <LjL> ya... interesting
[15:59] <LjL> a 190.*
[15:59] <LjL> nalioth, look at that
[15:59] <Mez> AOL ?
[16:00] <LjL> no, cantv.net according to pici's dns
[16:01] <stdin> all seem to be CANTV Servicios, Venezuela
[16:02] <stdin> (vit_'s and root_'s)
[16:12] <nalioth> and you should always ban the IP (it will ban the hostmask, too)
[16:13] <LjL> nalioth: the IPs vary widely though (190.* up to 201.* at least), while the hostmask - if it was there - wouldn't
[16:13] <nalioth> but the hostmask is added depending on info
[16:14] <LjL> nalioth: but on info provided by the ISP, not the user itself...?
[16:14] <nalioth> some trolls have skillz, and can manipulate their equipment/packets, LjL
[16:45] <jussi01> nalioth: could we have ubot3 into #ubuntustudio ?
[16:46] <nalioth> sure
[16:49] <jussi01> thanks nalioth
[18:12] <LjL> bot is going down, changing PSU, should really be 10 minutes this time
[18:32] <Myrtti> Wasn't Sevvie supposed to come back like, yesterday?
[18:32] <Myrtti> or do I remember wrong
[18:39] <LjL> here, maybe it wasn't 10 minutes, but it wasn't that bad
[18:39] <LjL> now to just hope this €15 thing doesn't explode too early. or at least doesn't take the mobo with it when it does.
[18:40] <Seeker`> €15 for a PSU?
[18:40] <Seeker`> I cant imagine that would be stable
[18:43] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm not entirely comfortable either, and it's 370W (not that the server would take very much power but)... i thought i'd find a two-fans 420W one, which i bought in the same place little time ago for €30, but the only alternative they had available was a 570W (!) one for €40
[18:44] <LjL> perhaps i could put the lousy one on my desktop... although my desktop definitely takes up more power
[18:45] <LjL> but i wouldn't cry so much if my desktop broke as if my server did
[18:45] <LjL> (well, unless the HD broke)
[18:46] <LjL> uhm, according to lm-sensors, the +12V, +5V and +3.3V are almost spot-on, for as much as that means
[18:47] <Seeker`> hmm
[18:47] <LjL> there is a supposedly +2.5V output that is really 0.35V
[18:47] <Seeker`> I probably wouldn't feel "comfortable" with a PSU < £20 or so
[18:47] <LjL> and the sensors don't give readings for the negative ones
[18:47] <Seeker`> my current one was ~£50 I think
[18:48] <Seeker`> could you not order a better one
[18:48] <Seeker`> and then keep the cheap one for emergencies if another one blows again
[18:48] <LjL> Seeker`: well, as i said, i'd much rather have bought the €30 one, so i guess my "comfortability" target is similar to yours. i wouldn't but a £50 one i think... i'm that cheap
[18:49]  * LjL wonders if the cheap 370W one could power his desktop at all
[18:50] <Pici> I need a new psu for my desktop, I have a paperclip wedged in the fan right now because it makes noise <.<
[18:50] <LjL> probably not, newegg gives >300W for something like my desktop
[18:50] <LjL> Pici: ...
[18:51] <LjL> Pici: you realize that's likely to blow up not only the PSU but mobo/etc too?
[18:51] <Pici> LjL: I need a new hardware anyway
[18:51] <Seeker`> LjL: My power supply is a Corsair 520w modular thing
[18:51] <LjL> Pici: the HD too
[18:51] <Pici> woo
[18:51] <LjL> Seeker`: what does modular mean
[18:51] <Pici> LjL: Its the windows computer
[18:51] <Seeker`> LjL: Its quiet, and I quite like corsair stuff - its reliable
[18:51] <LjL> Pici: oh - then switch the PSU to 110W and turn it on
[18:52] <Seeker`> LjL: The only cables "built in" to the box are the mobo connectors
[18:52] <Pici> LjL: it is on 110
[18:52] <LjL> Pici: ah right you're on the evil side. well then switch it to 230
[18:52] <Pici> LjL: eh... I'd rather not :p
[18:52] <Seeker`> LjL: And then there are a series of cables you can plug in if you need them, so it reduces the number of spare wires hanging around the system
[18:53] <LjL> Seeker`: ah well that's nice but i can do without, reliability though i shouldn't, not for the server anyway
[18:53] <LjL> but meh, if newegg gives some 330W for my desktop, then i suppose i probably shouldn't plug it into a 370W supply
[18:54] <Seeker`> LjL: This is for my desktop, which I use for gaming etc.
[18:54] <Seeker`> I have an nvidia 8800GTS, which seems to be quite power hungry
[18:55] <LjL> Seeker`, none of my computers are particularly power hungry i guess, what i have on my desktop is a geforce 5200, and on the server, well, i won't ever put whatever it's got in 3D mode... so i don't really need *watts* on the server, i do need it to not blow up though :|
[18:55] <Seeker`> yeah
[18:56] <LjL> but then as little power-hungry as my desktop may be, it's still worryingly close to 370W i'm afraid
[18:56] <Seeker`> how do you work that out?
[18:56] <LjL> Seeker`: oh genii just gave me this site http://educations.newegg.com/tool/psucalc/index.html
[18:57] <LjL> still anyway i really don't understand why my old PSU, that worked for years, refuses to power the new server mobo
[18:57] <LjL> works fine on the old...
[18:57]  * Seeker` wonders what counts as a "high end" motherboard
[18:59] <Seeker`> that gives me something between 470 and 496 W
[18:59] <Seeker`> I've got a 520W
[19:04] <LjL> wow
[19:05] <LjL> Seeker`: i don't know, i put in "high end" for the server because it's got 4 IDEs and was generally fancy for its time
[19:05] <LjL> while on my desktop, i've got some thing (with a celeron on it) that's got *3* PCI slots. guess that doesn't count as high-end
[19:06] <LjL> wait, no, *2* PCI slots. and an AGP
[19:17] <Mez> nalioth, what's your email address?
[19:18]  * Mez nearly sent an email to "naoliv£
[19:18] <Mez> s/£/"/
[19:22] <nalioth> Mez: all these launchpad and wiki pages and personal websites and you can't find my email?  i'm at gmail.com
[19:23] <Pici> Wow!  Ubotu doesn't rejoin when kicked...
[19:45] <Myrtti> we weren't sure, sorry
[19:45] <Myrtti> but I did it
[19:45]  * Myrtti offers a yarn ball of silk and wool to almighty Seveas
[19:46] <Seveas> if you're not sure, why not try simply kicking and see what it does?
[19:46] <Myrtti> the thing is we wanted to have him active on more important channels and not to strain it with -offtopic
[19:46] <Seveas> I k/b'ed ubot3 from #ubuntu now ubotu is back
[19:49] <PriceChild> Why don't we simply mute the other bots in channels? Especially like #ubuntu and #kubuntu?
[19:49] <nalioth> Seveas: please use +q
[19:49] <Seveas> nalioth, right back at y'all
[19:49] <nalioth> Seveas: i banned no bots
[19:49] <nalioth> Seveas: i advised +q
[19:49] <Seveas> they ignored it, you could have fixed it.
[19:50] <nalioth> i'm not in all the channels
[19:50] <Mez> Seeker`, did you find a home?
[19:50] <Seeker`> Mez: Still trying a few possibilities
[19:51] <Mez> Seeker`, well if need be, I can give it a home
[19:51] <Seeker`> Mez: Cool, I'll keep that in mind if the current plans fall through
[19:51] <Mez> Seeker`, no problem. Though I
[19:51] <Mez> m currently writing plans to integrate a new server into my network
[19:57]  * Myrtti hides and touches no bots ever again
[20:13] <Pici> Seveas: The bot may have just not joined some channels, at some points it was excess flooding out.
[20:15] <Pici> Also, I think people were getting confused because !fact > user was sending two things, often many minutes apart
[20:23] <LjL> Seveas, we fix what we can fix, you have to realize there are a "few" channels, some of them we don't have easy access to to begin with...
[20:23] <ubot3> In #kubuntu-fi, Nakkel said: !xvmc is XvMC (X-Video Motion Compensation) is a X Video extension allowing video programs to offload video decoding to the video-hardware. Currently only !binarydrivers for NVidia cards support XvMC.
[20:23] <Seveas> LjL, the only channels with bans were #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:24] <Seveas> you all have access there and especially #ubuntu would be the first to check, methinks
[20:24] <LjL> Seveas, oh i think it was removed from -offtopic because some ompaul guy somehow seemed convinced that the bot abuse in there would cause the lag :)
[20:24] <LjL> Seveas: in #ubuntu, i definitely thought it was muted
[20:25] <Seveas> the botabuse plugins were all unloaded already
[20:25] <Pici> LjL: it was, until it people were complaining that they were getting double messages at time about !this > that
[20:26] <LjL> Seveas: yeah well don't look at me :) anyway i'm surprised about #ubuntu. i made it part #ubuntu-devel as well because we had no way to mute it there when it was requested, making it rejoin
[20:26] <Seeker`> Would a "mute in channels x,y,z" function be useful in the new bots?
[20:27] <Seveas> Seeker`, the new code I'm working on will have failover code which makes sure one and only one (and always one) will talk at any given time
[20:28] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[20:31] <jdong> so ubotu's okay now?
[20:31] <Seveas> yes
[20:31] <jdong> cool
[20:44] <Amaranth> What have you done to ubotu?
[20:44]  * Amaranth hugs ubotu
[20:44]  * Amaranth cries
[21:07] <Alan_M> man, i believe the reaming people about how they help out in open chat in the main support rooms gotta stop, can we at least TRY to private message and say "hey look buddy...i feel what you did was wrong, can you please stop and do it this way next time?"
[21:08] <PriceChild> Alan_M: I'm not sure I understand?
[21:09] <Alan_M> Bruenig basically told me how i helped out was the "wrong way"
[21:09] <Alan_M> in front of everyone....
[21:10] <Alan_M> in my opionion if the steps to help someone end up at the same end point...its not "technically" wrong.
[21:11] <Alan_M> it takes me everything i have to help out now with the community, because i feel my contributions are just getting frowned at...im trying..shouldnt that be enough?
[21:11] <PriceChild> I'm not yet up to date with the logs, but I don't agree with "in my opionion if the steps to help someone end up at the same end point...its not "technically" wrong."
[21:12] <PriceChild> for example, using automatix to install libdvdcss2
[21:12]  * tsmithe was watching this take place, and felt that whereas bruenig was technically most accurate, Alan_M's methods were most user-friendly. nor did bruenig offer different help.
[21:12] <Alan_M> i was using a ubuntu supported method.
[21:12] <Alan_M> nothing 3rd party
[21:12] <PriceChild> Alan_M: I'm not saying you were right or wrong in channel... I just don't agree with that one message.
[21:13] <Alan_M> I understand.
[21:13] <Alan_M> its not even right or wrong anymore what im getting at.
[21:13] <Alan_M> its the reaming in open room.
[21:16] <PriceChild> Alan_M: I'll have a talk with bruenig.
[21:16] <mneptok> PriceChild: that's the wrong approach. now you die.
[21:16]  * mneptok ignites
[21:16] <Alan_M> heh
[21:16] <Alan_M> Thanks guys.
[21:17]  * Alan_M exits....stage left
[21:17] <PriceChild> Alan_M: I think if he approached it a different way, it could have been less patronising, more informative.
[21:17] <PriceChild> Alan_M: however...
[21:17] <PriceChild> Alan_M: I don't think it would have been constructive for him to tell you things in PM whilst you were helping someone else.
[21:18] <Alan_M> it just threw me so off guard i guess.
[21:18] <Alan_M> anyways...
[21:18] <PriceChild> If someone thinks they know a more correct way of doing things, I'm pretty sure they would rather inform both of you at once, rather than you tell someone a worse method, and not convey the better one until the next person,
[21:19] <Alan_M> yeah.
[21:20] <Alan_M> anywys...back to crazy land...i mean #ubuntu heh just kidding :)
[21:20] <Alan_M> Thanks for the input/support/smack across the skull :)
[21:22]  * PriceChild burns
[21:22] <PriceChild> (laggy match)
[21:58] <corny> Hello, I wanted to ask about the Nickname service.
[21:59] <corny> Are Nicks ever taken from someone because they haven't logged on in forever?
[21:59] <ompaul> that would be a #freenode issue as far as I am aware
[21:59] <Pici> Indeed.
[21:59] <ompaul> and in practice :)
[21:59] <Pici> We're only here to take care of the #*ubuntu-* channels
[22:00] <corny> ok, thx
[22:00] <Pici> sure thing
[22:04] <Seeker`> Is ubotu being slow again?
[22:05] <Myrtti> !test
[22:05] <ubotwo> Failed.
[22:06] <nalioth> ubotu test
[22:06] <Seeker`> !-hardy
[22:06] <ubotwo> hardy aliases: ubuntu+1, heron, 8.04 - added by PriceChild on 2007-08-29 22:41:06
[22:07] <Seeker`> !hardy
[22:07] <ubotwo> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:07] <nalioth> Seeker`: let's not load ubotu up, ok?
[22:07] <Seeker`> nalioth: I tried using the factoid in -uk, and no response
[22:07] <nalioth> it's dead, jim
[22:08] <Seeker`> yeah, I noticed
[22:08] <ompaul> ubotu worked in -ot just now
[22:08] <Seeker`> ompaul: look in -uk
[22:09] <nalioth> i put a +q on ubotu in #ubuntu
[22:09] <ompaul> ack
[22:09] <Amaranth> ubotu is working fine in #ubuntu-desktop
[22:09] <Amaranth> and it just PMed me when i said that :P
[22:10] <ompaul> sorry
[22:10] <ompaul> I stuck two in there
[22:10] <ompaul> did not see 3
[22:11] <nalioth> ubotu: test
[22:11] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:12] <Seeker`> ah, ompaul has muted ubotu in -uk
[22:12] <Seeker`> is it ok to remove the mute?
[22:12] <nalioth> so long as ubotu is working
[22:13] <ompaul> no
[22:13] <ompaul> I did not
[22:13] <ompaul> ahh hang on
[22:13] <ompaul> is that a couple of days ole
[22:13] <ompaul> !test
[22:13] <Seeker`> -22:11:51- ~s~ 8 - #ubuntu-uk: ban %*!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu by ompaul!n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul, 287059 secs ago
[22:13] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:13] <ubotwo> Failed.
[22:13] <ompaul> yeap you can
[22:13] <ompaul> ubotwo part
[22:14]  * ompaul is some kind of operator
[22:14] <Myrtti> I'm getting strange wibes from that marttiini feller at -ot
[22:15] <ompaul> Myrtti, hmm
[22:15]  * ompaul goes to look
[22:16] <ompaul>  /msg ubotu o4o > martiini
[22:16] <ompaul> Myrtti, ^^
[22:16] <ompaul> I just did
[22:16]  * jussi01 pokes Myrtti and reminds her she made a classic finnish mistake :P
[22:16] <Myrtti> irc all day?
[22:16] <Myrtti> knit?
[22:16] <Pici> wibes
[22:16] <jussi01> Myrtti: no... s/w/v/
[22:17] <Myrtti> oh
[22:17] <Pici> :)
[22:17] <jussi01> :D
[22:17] <Myrtti> hm, true
[22:17] <Myrtti> never thought of that
[22:20] <no0tic> Myrtti, ircing al day is a classic finnish mistake?
[22:21] <Myrtti> no0tic: you're talking to a citizen of the nation of Linux, IRC, ssh and irssi
[22:21] <Myrtti> yes, it's a classic Finnish mistake.
[22:21]  * Seeker` starts getting withdrawal symptoms
[22:22] <Myrtti> !info pimppa
[22:22] <ubotu> pimppa (source: pimppa): powerful tool to loot binaries from newsgroups smartly. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.8-0.1 (gutsy), package size 187 kB, installed size 800 kB
[22:22] <Myrtti> guess what that means in Finnish
[22:22] <no0tic> Myrtti, ok, I'm a bit finnish :) I'm ircing since tomorrow morning at 2 am (now it's 23:23 pm)
[22:23] <no0tic> Myrtti, using linux, ssh and irssi
[22:23] <Myrtti> no0tic: you're screwed. Life lost. Let us play Albinoni's Adagio
[22:25] <no0tic> I know
[22:27] <ompaul> no0tic, since tomorrow morning?
[22:27] <ompaul> until maybe
[22:28] <no0tic> I hope no
[22:28] <Seeker`> no0tic: but "since" is past tense, "tomorrow" is future tense
[22:29]  * ompaul starts to do dangerous stuffz
[22:29] <no0tic> I'm screwed
[22:29] <Seeker`> ompaul: what sort of dangerous stuff?
[22:29] <Seeker`> no0tic: how so?
[22:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, you did ask
[22:29] <ompaul> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/
[22:29] <no0tic> I've been ircing since today 2 am, that's better
[22:29] <Seeker`> can I ask why?
[22:29] <Seeker`> no0tic: much :D
[22:29] <jdong> ompaul: you won't be disappointed
[22:29] <jdong> ompaul: do, however, recompile the kernel with SCHED_ULE
[22:30] <Seeker`> no0tic: You've had a break I hope
[22:30] <ompaul> jdong, how wrong you can be
[22:30] <ompaul> jdong, you don't know what my expectations are
[22:30] <jdong> total carnage? :)
[22:30] <ompaul> :)
[22:30] <ompaul> jdong, it will be for a few minutes anyway
[22:30] <jdong> ompaul: sweet :D
[22:30] <jdong> ompaul: that sounds like my Darwin install :)
[22:31] <ompaul> jdong, I sneer at your arch
[22:31] <no0tic> Seeker`, yeah, I lunched
[22:31] <Seeker`> no0tic: 21 hours on IRC is bad - you need more of a break :)
[22:31] <ompaul>  /cs  k no0tic go away
[22:32] <ompaul> jdong, I want to play with pf - been a long time
[22:32] <Seeker`> pf?
[22:32] <jdong> Seeker`: openbsd packet filter
[22:32] <Seeker`> ah
[22:32] <jdong> ompaul: pf is JITted in FBSD7, right?
[22:32] <no0tic> ompaul, I don't think it would change anything, there are too many channels out here
[22:32] <jdong> ompaul: that should be some kickass filtering performance for those long rulesets
[22:33] <jdong> 18:31 -!- KIAaze<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [":(){ :|:&};:"]
[22:33] <jdong> grumble.
[22:33] <ompaul> jdong, I have not done FreeBSD in years
[22:33] <jdong> not again
[22:33] <ompaul> kama kamzi
[22:33] <ompaul> jdong, where?
[22:33] <jdong> ompaul: #ubuntuforums
[22:33] <ompaul> kban
[22:36] <Seeker`> is that a fork bomb?
[22:36] <jdong> Seeker`: it is indeed
[22:37] <Seeker`> thought so
[22:37] <jdong> I bf'ed him into here for you guys :)
[22:37] <ompaul> jdong, ohh thank you
[22:37] <jdong> ompaul: merry christmas!
[22:37]  * ompaul sharpens his axe
[22:37] <ompaul> mneptok, ping
[22:38]  * Myrtti gives ompaul her hellokitty empcannon with the almighty sniper's banning utilities and goes to bed
[22:38] <ompaul> Myrtti, sleep well
[22:38] <Seeker`> nn
[22:39] <ompaul> jdong, so I have a perverse setup
[22:39] <ompaul> jdong, I have an acer extnsa that was bought with GNU/Whatsit on board
[22:40] <ompaul> jdong, the second box is a shuttle xpc - this latter item just had "inx" the feisty version on it
[22:40] <ompaul> installed - you gotta be nuts to use the install script it nukes your partitions
[22:40] <ompaul> all of em
[22:40] <jdong> :)
[22:41] <ompaul> jdong, so now that box will get fiesty on it (the shuttle) cos the acer was so low end it had no burner on it
[22:42] <ompaul> I have a rather expensive burner on the "now decommissioned machine" so it will go in the acer one of these days
[22:43] <ompaul> decommissioned as the io kit had gone for a walk and kb mouse and usb ports are ded on it (yes on this hardware it is spelt "ded")
[22:43] <Seeker`> why decommission a machine
[22:43] <Seeker`> thats bad
[22:44] <Seeker`> dead mobo then?
[22:44] <ompaul> yeap
[22:45] <Seeker`> what socket processor?
[22:45] <ompaul> kvm is taking me from one box to another
[22:45]  * ompaul can't remember I got it a few years ago
[22:45]  * ompaul goes to look
[22:47] <ompaul> 754
[22:48] <ompaul> Seeker`, ^^
[22:48] <mneptok> ompaul: pong
[22:48] <ompaul> mneptok, dns servers toasted again this evening
[22:48] <Seeker`> ompaul: hmm
[22:49] <ompaul> they must not have signed up to you guys ;-)
[22:49] <Seeker`> they dont seem to be "easy" to get hold of
[22:49] <mneptok> ompaul: the OpenDNS servers?
[22:49] <ompaul> Seeker`, actually I got it two years ago less than today
[22:49] <ompaul> Seeker`, actually I got it two years ago less 8 days
[22:50] <Seeker`> actually, I was looking at Intel not AMD :P
[22:50] <ompaul> mneptok, no my stupido iso
[22:50] <ompaul> mneptok, no my stupido isp
[22:50]  * ompaul looks at his typos
[22:50] <mneptok> ompaul: so switch to OpenDNS :)
[22:50] <ompaul> mneptok, and how do you think I am talking ot you ;-)
[22:50] <mneptok> heheh
[22:52] <Seeker`> ompaul: Hmm, ebuyer and dabs only stock 1 model each - and they are relatively expensive
[22:53] <ompaul> Seeker`, I don't want a mobo I got two good machines
[22:53] <ompaul> and a laptop and that is before we count my wifes machine
[22:53] <ompaul> more gnu/linux than most people would shake a stick at
[22:54] <Seeker`> ompaul: heh
[22:55] <Seeker`> ompaul: you cna never have too many machines :P
[22:55] <ompaul> Seeker`, I want an olpc and an eeeeeeeepc
[22:55] <Seeker`> heh
[22:56] <Seeker`> I want a storge server , an itx mythtv box and a web / email server
[22:57] <ompaul> Seeker`, na you want a shuttle for that the itx is for your desktop to do call on xdmcp on the other box
[22:57] <ompaul> and then the eeeeeeeeeeeeepc is for doing wireless ssh as a pricey remote control
[22:57] <Seeker`> "call on xdmcp"?
[22:57] <ompaul> Seeker`, check out xdmcp
[22:57] <Seveas> xdmcpoo
[22:59] <ompaul> Seveas, it rocks if you have secured network (I know it is why I am paid)
[23:00] <Seeker`> ompaul: hmm, I still like my idea better :P
[23:00] <ompaul> users can't do anything no access you got X or nothing
[23:00] <ompaul> Seeker`, you might but you can still be forgiven if you turn to the path of insanity :)
[23:00] <Daviey> ompaul: he'll see the light
[23:02] <ompaul> Daviey, when they visit the ward with a flashlight :-/
[23:04] <Daviey> ompaul: You can convince him at lrl.. Seeker`: btw, you'll be at lrl this year.
[23:04] <Seeker`> when is it?
[23:04] <ompaul> dates now please
[23:05] <Daviey> lazy web: 19th-20th July, Wolverhampton
[23:06] <Seeker`> hmm, may be able to do that
[23:06] <Seeker`> depends if i have any money
[23:06] <Daviey> ompaul: you have permission to buy me drinks
[23:06] <ompaul> Daviey, I see
[23:06] <Daviey> Seeker`: £5 entry fee IIRC?!
[23:07] <ompaul> Daviey, it costs more than a fiver to get there
[23:07] <Seeker`> Daviey: Its transport and accomodation thatI may have problems with
[23:07] <Daviey> Seeker`: you'll have graduated by then?
[23:08] <Seeker`> Daviey: yes
[23:08] <Daviey> Then i'm sure there will be a hotel room floor/sofa bed going.
[23:08] <Daviey> DaveMorris slept on my hotel sofa bed last year.
[23:09] <Seeker`> hmm
[23:32] <mneptok> ugh, i need to be in Romania in May, and Finland like 2 weeks later. why fly home?
[23:34] <Seeker`> mneptok: where is home?
[23:40] <mneptok> Seeker`: Montreal
[23:41] <ompaul> mneptok, work in london for a week and a half ( some time allowed for travelling? )
[23:51] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: what is the meaning of life
[23:51] <pike_> sry ignore
[23:51] <Pici> ubotu: tell pike_ about b
[23:51] <Pici> :)
[23:51] <Seeker`> mneptok: Visit the UK for a bit
[23:55] <Pici> !ping
[23:55] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[23:56] <Pici> Seveas: Why is ubotu muted again in #ubuntu?
[23:57] <Pici> nalioth: ^ ?
[23:57] <nalioth> Pici: no clue
[23:58] <Pici> 18:09:11 >>>> mode/#ubuntu [+b %ubotu!*@*] by nalioth
[23:59] <nalioth> patience is a virtue
[23:59] <Pici> I guve up
[23:59] <nalioth> wtf is ubotu2 ?
[23:59] <Pici> seveas's new bot project
[23:59] <Pici> here to confuse us


[00:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: ooooooooooh I got it working
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[00:11] <wxl> oooh
[00:11] <wxl> python wordpress library
[00:11] <wxl> too easy
[00:12] <tsimonq2> ikr
[00:13] <wxl> so it seems like you're just feeding the markdown into wordpress or am i just seeing things/
[00:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG93e33e185ed9: Move things around more.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG93e33e185ed9
[00:13] <wxl> wordpress just takes markdown???
[00:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nope.
[00:13] <tsimonq2> Like 82.
[00:13] <tsimonq2> *Line
[00:13] <tsimonq2> That's what converts it.
[00:13] <wxl> ic
[00:14] <tsimonq2> So, you call it by calling a directory name.
[00:14] <tsimonq2> e.g. (after doing the moving around I just did) ./update-post posts/release/lubuntu-16.04.5/
[00:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: So, you put your user login info in user.yaml.
[00:15] <tsimonq2> URL is https://lubuntu.me/xmlrpc.php
[00:15] <tsimonq2> Then ofc username and password to log into wp.
[00:15] <wxl> where's the docs for the markdown library?
[00:16] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/Python-Markdown/markdown
[00:16] <wxl> thx
[00:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: So, the way making a post works is that you put a post in Markdown format in new-dir/post.md and metadata in new-dir/info.yaml
[00:17] <wxl> right
[00:17] <tsimonq2> If the title or slug doesn't match an existing post, it creates a new one.  :P
[00:21] <wxl> weird
[00:21] <wxl> XD
[00:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: And then I'm also working on translations as well.
[00:24] <wxl> meaning documentation?
[00:24] <tsimonq2> No, translations of the post.
[00:24] <wxl> oh foo
[00:25] <wxl> how's that work exactly?
[00:26] <tsimonq2> So, there's no actual way to do translations (cleanly) in Wordpress, so I'll likely do a static site clone at l10n.lubuntu.me running on cron which goes through and grabs translations for all posts.
[00:26] <wxl> the machine translation is good enough?
[00:27] <tsimonq2> I'd have something like lubuntu-16.04.5/po/es.md output to https://l10n.lubuntu.me/xenial-5-released/es/ and then have https://l10n.lubuntu.me/xenial-5-released/ redir to https://lubuntu.me/xenial-5-released/
[00:28] <wxl> yeah yeah i guess what i'm asking about is the actual translation process itself. this would still be via weblate?
[00:28] <tsimonq2> People would manually contribute translations, and once we have then up, at the top of the post there would be "Translations: LANG"
[00:28] <wxl> that, right, ok
[00:28] <tsimonq2> No, people would give us Markdown-formatted translated documents.
[00:28] <tsimonq2> We'd put them under
[00:28] <wxl> oh
[00:29] <tsimonq2> er, under po
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[03:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOGb3b30bb0b465: Automatically translate all posts.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOGb3b30bb0b465
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[05:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG4af846fc1d4a: Remove unnecessary print statement.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG4af846fc1d4a
[05:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOGd5a28fd2b0a9: Remove paragraph brackets around it.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOGd5a28fd2b0a9
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1025408837128540160
[18:11] <lubot5> lbssousa was added by: lbssousa
 @lbssousa welcome


[00:24] <jcastro> mpt: you know that red line in the evo calendar that shows you where you are in the day, there's a name for that, named after the guy who created it or something, any idea?
[00:25] <mpt> jcastro, no idea, sorry
[00:28] <jcastro> mpt: aha! fyi: http://library.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/bxqaqja.html.en
[00:51] <jcastro> Nafai: back yet?
[01:31] <Nafai> Yeah, back now
[01:31] <Nafai> But I'm having problems with my dev machine :(
[01:31] <Nafai> Weird gtk bug possibly.  Everything just locks up when I press enter
[02:03] <Nafai> Okay, I'm back.  Downgrading my nvidia driver fixed things
[02:03] <Nafai> tedg: ping
[02:06] <Nafai> tedg: I'm setting the status initially to ACTIVE, and then setting it to ATTENTION later
[02:06] <Nafai> And it is the change to attention that I'm not seeing
[02:17] <tedg> Nafai: Hmm, it seems that isn't getting sent on the bus.
[02:17] <tedg> Nafai: Let me review that code real quick.
[02:17] <Nafai> Sure, thanks
[02:19] <tedg> Nafai: I don't see anything obvious there.  And, I actually have a test for that :)
[02:20] <tedg> Nafai: What language are you writing in?
[02:20] <Nafai> It's C
[02:21] <tedg> Hmm, that's very odd then.
[02:24] <Nafai> Yes :(
[02:34] <Nafai> Any ideas?
[02:58] <Nafai> o
[03:18] <Nafai> jcastro: around?
[03:22] <Nafai> Or kenvandine: around?
[14:02] <Nafai> Good morning all
[16:28] <Nafai> mpt: Got a moment to check some screenshots to see what you think?
[16:28] <Nafai> http://www.travishartwell.net/morethanone.png
[16:28] <Nafai> http://www.travishartwell.net/lessthanone.png
[16:28] <Nafai> Ignore the choice of icon, working on that, I'm just wondering what you think about the menu text.
[17:20] <Nafai> Morning jono
[17:20] <jono> hey Nafai
[17:20] <jono> hows things?
[17:20] <Nafai> Not bad, made a lot of progress this morning
[17:21] <Nafai> Now I just have left things I have questions for others for on g-c-c and now I'm starting on brasero
[17:21] <Nafai> Get my mail last night?
[17:21] <Nafai> from last night?
[17:23] <jono> I saw your mail on my phone, I need to follow up
[17:23] <jono> great that you have started on Brasero
[17:23] <jono> how are you getting on with it?
[17:23] <Nafai> Just started looking at the code.
[17:24] <Nafai> I did a lot of clean ups and additional things this morning with g-c-c
[17:26] <Nafai> fallback works correctly, things cleanly compile without appindicators, I can cleanly apply my patch against gnome git HEAD of g-c-c, adding the time left on the menu, etc
[17:26] <Nafai> Check out these screenshots:
[17:26] <Nafai> http://www.travishartwell.net/morethanone.png
[17:26] <Nafai> http://www.travishartwell.net/lessthanone.png
[17:26] <Nafai> That is in place of the tooltip used before
[17:50] <jcastro> Nafai: this is looking sweet
[17:51] <Nafai> Thanks jcastro
[17:51] <jcastro> Nafai: I have some calls this morning so I'll be out for a bit, so feel free to bother jono
[17:51] <Nafai> cool
[17:51] <Nafai> I imagine I probably need to tell you new strings as well as the icons so they can be translated?
[18:16] <kenvandine> Nafai, awesome work!
[18:16] <Nafai> Thanks kenvandine
[18:16] <Nafai> I just want to figure out the bugs and get it finished :)
[18:18] <Nafai> My next hurdle for g-c-c is figuring out how to load the icons that are installed (.pngs and .svgs) into an icon theme so app-indicators can see them
[18:18] <Nafai> But the only calls I can find to do so ask for a size and I'm not sure what size to use
[18:20] <kenvandine> tedg, maybe you can point Nafai in the right direction for getting the icon name for the app indicator?
[18:22] <tedg> Nafai: You shouldn't need to load them.  Putting them in an icon theme is just a directory thing.
[18:22] <tedg> Nafai: The size doesn't matter that much as long as it's correct.
[18:22] <tedg> Nafai: The code will choose the best size.
[18:23] <Nafai> tedg: So I should just add the directory that the files are in to the search path?
[18:23] <tedg> Nafai: Yes, as a path on the app indicator.  As long as they're in the "icon naming theme spec" directory layout.
[18:24] <tedg> Nafai: If you look at the RB patch it does that.
[18:24] <tedg> Rhythmbox
[18:24] <Nafai> *nods*
[18:24] <Nafai> I'll double check that
[18:24] <Nafai> the annoying thing to my perfectionism is that the files are named red-bar.png, green-bar.png, etc and don't have a common prefix
[18:25] <Nafai> tedg: btw, the internal links in the appindicator documentation that you have on your site are broken
[18:26] <tedg> Nafai: Yes, it's just a copy of the local docs.  No proper linking :(
[18:26] <tedg> Nafai: The best is to just use devhelp.
[18:26] <Nafai> Thanks for reminding me of that tool
[18:34] <Nafai> sweet, there is even emacs integration
[18:39] <Nafai> tedg: so app_indicator_new_with_path ?
[18:40] <jono> Nafai, checking into your mail now
[18:41] <Nafai> cool, a lot of it is outdated now ;)
[18:48] <tedg> Nafai: Yes -- the path will send it over to the panel so it'll add that theme path.
[18:48] <Nafai> awesome, recompiling and trying it out
[18:49] <Nafai> yay, that was easy
[18:49] <Nafai> now for the blinking
[18:51] <jono> Nafai, what outstanding bits are you blocked on?
[18:52] <Nafai> let me check my list to make sure I don't miss anything
[18:52] <Nafai> - still have the app_indicator_set_status () bug where the icon doesn't change
[18:54] <Nafai> - and advice on the gradually getting more green and then red icon.  the old code used pixbufs, but can't do that for this
[18:54] <Nafai> that's the only block.  I'm going to attempt to implement blinking, who knows if I'll need help there
[18:54] <Nafai> and with those, it is ready for a review :)
[18:54] <jono> tedg, can you help advise on these ^^
[18:54] <kenvandine> :)
[18:54] <jono> awesome :)
[18:54] <Nafai> yeah, it feels great to make this progress
[18:55] <kenvandine> jono, i think tedg already gave him some advice this morning
[18:55]  * jono hi-fives Nafai
[18:55] <kenvandine> but we are here if you need advice
[18:55] <jono> kenvandine, awesome
[18:55] <kenvandine> Nafai, don't block, just ask
[18:55] <Nafai> kenvandine: I had other stuff to do, so it wasn't a big deal this time
[18:55] <kenvandine> and if we don't respond... tell jcastro or jono and they can come smack us :)
[18:55] <Nafai> ok
[18:56] <kenvandine> this week we are physically together, so they can abuse me :-p
[18:56] <Nafai> sweet.  I'll be sure to ping them via e-mail if I am blocked and no one responds here
[18:56] <Nafai> is that the best way?
[18:58] <tedg> Nafai: Yes.
[18:58] <Nafai> ok, thanks
[18:58] <tedg> Nafai: Make sure to include my nick in messages -- I rarely watch the channel unless a notification comes up :)
[18:58] <Nafai> tedg: Anything else I can do to make it easier for you to help me figure out why the icon won't change?
[18:58] <Nafai> tedg: Sure thing.
[18:59] <tedg> Nafai: Uhm, not sure.    I'm sending a mail about the last one because I'm particularly wordy and don't want to flood IRC
[20:26] <Nafai> So as soon as I get this mail out, I'd like to work with tedg or whoever can help me in tracking down why the icon won't change.  I can't really implement blinking until then because it only happens during APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_ATTENTION
[20:34] <Nafai> jcastro, jono, tedg, kenvandine: I just sent an e-mail describing my blocking issues to y'all, easier than here because I'm so wordy.
[20:34] <Nafai> I really have nothing else that I can do on gnome-control-center without these blockers being fixed
[20:35] <jcastro> Nafai: ok I'll work that
[20:36] <jcastro> Nafai: have you started on brasero btw?
[20:36] <jcastro> Nafai: ted and co are releasing for this week's drop so it will really depend on his workload today
[20:36]  * jcastro runs upstairs to coddle with tedg
[20:36]  * tedg runs!
[20:37] <tedg> Nafai: Cool, I'll try to get to the activate thing today.  But this is a really big release day.
[20:39] <Nafai> jcastro: Yeah, I've got as far as the looking at the code and know my approach, so I can dive into brasero while you guys are tied up
[20:39] <tedg> Nafai: That makes sense.
[20:40] <Nafai> Except for the testing of brasero part. :)  I have no burner in this machine. :)
[20:51] <jcastro> Nafai: can you send me the icon locations for cc and brasero today btw?
[20:51] <Nafai> jcastro: Sure, I'll send you cc right now.
[20:51] <jcastro> <3
[20:57] <Nafai> sent
[22:17] <Nafai> yay for learning GObject now
[23:01] <jcastro> Nafai: how's it coming along?
[23:02] <jcastro> Nafai: nevermind, I see your mail
[23:02] <Nafai> :)
[23:02] <Nafai> I'm about to send you an e-mail about brasero icons
[23:03] <Nafai> Sent
[23:04] <jcastro> <3
[23:07] <Nafai> oh, one other thing I didn't mention in my email.  I've been checking my changes against git HEAD for these projects using git rebase, and my changes have been applying cleanly


[15:52]  * sigmavirus just showed up, and https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus hasn't updated, but LP looks down for me
[15:53] <sigmavirus> Ah, sorry, just came back with a refresh
[15:56] <cjwatson> sigmavirus: Sorry for the brief downtime; the database servers are being treated to a bit of an upgrade.
[15:56] <sigmavirus> Aha
[15:56] <cjwatson> (It wasn't supposed to cause downtime though.)
[15:56] <sigmavirus> No worries cjwatson
[15:56] <sigmavirus> Thanks for maintaining lp! :-)


[13:16]  * AlanBell has failed to update the stats :(
[13:16] <AlanBell> will do at some point
[13:16] <AlanBell> if anyone else wants to go ahead, then feel free
[17:17] <pleia2> I haven't actually had time to do any team reports yet this month, I'll get to that too


[03:45] <cryptodan> I dont like the new installer for ubuntu server lol
[03:45] <sarnold> the old debian installer's still around somewhere
[03:45] <sarnold> and please file bugs :)
[03:46] <cryptodan> its really confusing especially the partitioning area
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> or browse current ubiquity bugs, there are quiet a few :p
[03:56] <cryptodan> but I will say the new server loves ubuntu 18.04 its fast and smooth
[04:02] <cryptodan> when I get my new backplane for my 8 600gig Drives I can then fully retire my dell 4600 thank you aacraid bug
[04:22] <elsheepo> Can anyone here please help me setup subdomains with apache2?
[04:27] <cryptodan> netplan is pretty straight forward
[04:30] <cryptodan> can I remove the Ubuntu Cloud Image?
[15:58] <lbracher> Hi there! I'm trying to permit password authentication over ssh on a server but I'm failing. I put PasswordAuthentication yes on sshd_config, restarted sshd and set password using passwd. I can see my login attempts on auth.log. Do you have more ideas? What I'm missing?
[15:59] <blackflow> lbracher: did you unlock the account as well with passwd -u  ?
[16:02] <lbracher> blackflow, it worked! Thank you so much! :)
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> cookie blackflow :p
[17:14] <hadifarnoud> do you guys know any easy to use tool for backup and restore elastic?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> !backup | hadifarnoud
[17:16] <hadifarnoud> what about this? https://github.com/taskrabbit/elasticsearch-dump
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> hadifarnoud: for git support, contact the maintainer of the git please
[17:24] <hadifarnoud> this is not a git support
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> sorry?
[19:45] <lunaphyte> the mysql config file includes both conf.d/* and mysql.conf.d/* - why is there a split of included config files between these two directories?
[23:02] <how2hack> hi, i've got cups installed in ubuntu server and i want to share a windows printer (pdfcreater) but cups can't find it, when i go to add printer i can't see windows printer via samba, the printer is shared
[23:20] <how2hack> do i need to install any package for cups to support windows printers via samba?


[13:51] <pmjdebruijn> anybody here using a 4K screen with xubuntu 22.04 ?
[15:10] <bodiccea> rrr, you should avoid at any cost /dev/sd??, numbering of disks will always change if some are missing/added. I use LABEL= (with nofail), or PARTLABEL= (easier than UUID= for me) for swaps on different (possibly missing) disks, it should work for any FS type.
[16:15] <xu-help62w> hello people is it normal in 22.04 to have much more virtual memory usage, i'm seeing 250-750mb more for same applications
[16:45] <rrr> Oooh, I have to make a network device work with qemu, I made a bridge but when I try to use it or configure it beyond what I have done the internet does not connect on the host or guest. The device is accessible from network-manager and I'd like to keep network-manager functionality, but since my efforts to enable a bridge. I at present cannot log into a vpn now, might be unrelated but the
[16:45] <rrr> internet is connected on the host, atm. Can someone help me with this task?
[16:47] <rrr> It would be a real accomplishment if this worked.


 Can you see my post at 22:19 last night?
[07:50] <inetpro> bushtech: great! You fixed it?
[07:52] <bushtech> inetpro: For some strange reason the server is now booting through, no idea why or how. So loading 64 bit can wait a bit until I'm ready.
[07:53] <bushtech> just need to fix my wifi now as I'm desperately short of ports on my router
[07:55] <bushtech> This server is determined to give me a hasrd time
[07:59] <paddatrapper> bushtech: I did. I'll do some digging today
[08:00] <bushtech> paddatrapper: thanks a mil.
[09:40] <Kilos> morning evryone and inetpro
[09:46] <bushtech> Dag Kilos
[09:56] <Kilos> dasg bushtech
[09:56] <Kilos> dag ook
[09:56] <bushtech> lol
[11:34] <chesedo> evening inetpro bushtech paddatrapper Kilos and others
[11:35] <bushtech> Hi chesedo
[11:58] <paddatrapper> Hi chesedo
[13:06] <Kilos> hi chesedo paddatrapper
[13:07] <Kilos> bushtech did you fix that prob?
[13:08] <Kilos> with the server
[13:12] <bushtech> on the failed reboot side it fixed itself. Now just need to fix the stuffed wifi
[13:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:30] <paddatrapper> Hi Kilos
[16:18] <Kilos> just some news, tara has been invited to sing in next years eurovision festival in portugal for some german song writer
[16:42] <paddatrapper> Kilos: that's great news!
[17:17] <Kilos> yeah im proud of the kid
[17:18] <Kilos> crazy chick, sings from morning till bed time
[17:18] <Kilos> even when shopping in supermarkets
[17:18] <Kilos> i get embarrased even haha
[17:18] <Kilos> people stop shopping and stand and listen to her